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Title: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 16, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
So, what will the matchups be?

Looking at the North it seems the top teams are Husson, RPI, Wick and Alfred.  Without knowing who is still declared, I'm going with the following matchups:

MIT at Husson
Fisher at RPI
WPI at Wick
Union at Alfred

Any thoughts on the South?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2008, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 16, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
So, what will the matchups be?

Looking at the North it seems the top teams are Husson, RPI, Wick and Alfred.  Without knowing who is still declared, I'm going with the following matchups:

MIT at Husson
Fisher at RPI
WPI at Wick
Union at Alfred

Aww...I was hoping for a "Team Boltus vs. SJF" matchup, just to get the fans going on the boards

Any thoughts on the South?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 16, 2008, 09:57:21 AM
IMO a 6-4 SJF doesnt deserve an ECAC bid...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2008, 10:11:03 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2008, 09:57:21 AM
IMO a 6-4 SJF doesnt deserve an ECAC bid...

Yeah, but they'd get one I imagine, no? Heck, Cortland took one at 5-4 one year I think
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: HHawks on November 16, 2008, 10:44:55 AM
I would love a Wick-RPI match up
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 16, 2008, 10:46:11 AM
I think Frank said MIT did not declare for the ECAC (or withdrew their bid)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 16, 2008, 11:48:27 AM
Cortland was 5-3 when the took one against Fisher.  8 game schedule that year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 16, 2008, 11:50:31 AM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 16, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
So, what will the matchups be?

Looking at the North it seems the top teams are Husson, RPI, Wick and Alfred.  Without knowing who is still declared, I'm going with the following matchups:

MIT at Husson
Fisher at RPI
WPI at Wick
Union at Alfred

Any thoughts on the South?

Wick at RPI
Union at Alfred
WPI at Husson
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: HHawks on November 16, 2008, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2008, 11:50:31 AM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 16, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
So, what will the matchups be?

Looking at the North it seems the top teams are Husson, RPI, Wick and Alfred.  Without knowing who is still declared, I'm going with the following matchups:

MIT at Husson
Fisher at RPI
WPI at Wick
Union at Alfred

Any thoughts on the South?

Wick at RPI
Union at Alfred
WPI at Husson

Why not RPI at Wick? Not complaining just curious.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 16, 2008, 12:22:15 PM
how about Rowan vs DVC in the east ECAC
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 16, 2008, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2008, 09:57:21 AM
IMO a 6-4 SJF doesnt deserve an ECAC bid...

I understand the argument, but after playing that schedule, I think they should/will get one. Fisher can salvage some of the season with a win against an RPI, or another quality team. Get them going in the right direction for next year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on November 16, 2008, 11:48:27 AM
Cortland was 5-3 when the took one against Fisher.  8 game schedule that year.

No, in 2003, you were 5-4
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 16, 2008, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2008, 11:50:31 AM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 16, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
So, what will the matchups be?

Looking at the North it seems the top teams are Husson, RPI, Wick and Alfred.  Without knowing who is still declared, I'm going with the following matchups:

MIT at Husson
Fisher at RPI
WPI at Wick
Union at Alfred

Any thoughts on the South?

Wick at RPI
Union at Alfred
WPI at Husson

I think there will be a Maine Maritime in their somewhere. Possibly a Curry?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 16, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
bridgewater st?

Can Maine Maritime even go?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 16, 2008, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2008, 09:57:21 AM
IMO a 6-4 SJF doesnt deserve an ECAC bid...

What about a 6-4 Brockport vs. 6-4 Fisher...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 16, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
ECAC Northeast/Northwest Declared Teams (Final - Withdrawn Declarations Deleted):

                 Conf Div
School           W-L  W-L
------------------------- 
Husson           0-0  7-0 *
RPI              5-2  7-2
Hartwick         4-2  7-2 *
Alfred           4-2  7-3
St. John Fisher  4-2  6-4
Union            4-3  5-4


* - Potential Pool C team
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 16, 2008, 03:18:46 PM
So, there are a few considerations here.  First, there are 3 E8 teams and there will only be 3 games.  So, which E8 school plays which other team?  And do Husson, RPI and Wick all host?  If so, then who flies to Husson for a game?  I would think it would either be Alfred or Fisher, though Wick is marginally closer. 

Here is my guess:

Fisher at Husson
Alfred at RPI
Union at Wick

EDIT: Just got off the phone with Pep who was dropping KazooTwo off at the airport and he thinks the matchups will be:
Fisher at RPI
Husson at Wick
Union at Alfred

Pep believes that the ECACs have always looked favorably at the E8 for hosting ECAC bowls.  And Pep also pointed out that Alfred played Norwich in an ECAC (in 2004?) so we could see an E8 rematch next weekend.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: BoSox0322 on November 16, 2008, 07:23:01 PM
I would love to see

RPI - Hartwick
Fisher  - Union
Alfred - Husson

and let the E8 run wild
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 16, 2008, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on November 16, 2008, 12:22:15 PM
how about Rowan vs DVC in the east ECAC

Rowan declined an opportunity to play if they were chosen for an ECAC bowl bid.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 16, 2008, 09:34:15 PM
When do the ECAC pairings come out?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2008, 09:48:41 PM
Tomorrow.

And I don't think Rowan even declared itself eligible for the ECACs so they were unlikely to get an invite.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 16, 2008, 10:58:15 PM
Would love to see an AU v RPI for his pops, AU football '56
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: labart96 on November 16, 2008, 11:27:20 PM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 16, 2008, 10:58:15 PM
Would love to see an AU v RPI for his pops, AU football '56

can only hope peps can implore you and your old man into the au pep band.

you can play kazoo right?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 08:11:20 AM
Pep would enjoy an AU vs. RPI game...if RPI hosted, would it be the FINALE on '86 Field? Don't know if Pep could muster a band for a trip to Troy...how's about the Engineers meander out to Mayberry? Either place, bring a kazoo (or other instrument) and you're in the AU Pep Band!

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 17, 2008, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 08:11:20 AM
Pep would enjoy an AU vs. RPI game...if RPI hosted, would it be the FINALE on '86 Field? Don't know if Pep could muster a band for a trip to Troy...how's about the Engineers meander out to Mayberry? Either place, bring a kazoo (or other instrument) and you're in the AU Pep Band!



yes, would be the finale on historic '86
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2008, 08:47:22 AM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 17, 2008, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 08:11:20 AM
Pep would enjoy an AU vs. RPI game...if RPI hosted, would it be the FINALE on '86 Field? Don't know if Pep could muster a band for a trip to Troy...how's about the Engineers meander out to Mayberry? Either place, bring a kazoo (or other instrument) and you're in the AU Pep Band!

yes, would be the finale on historic '86

I told Pep that I wouldn't be able to make a trip for the ECACs, but if it turns out to be AU @ RPI then I think I'll take Kaz00 Jr. and work my magic with Mrs. Kaz00.  I would much rather a home game since Pep and I are eyeing Cortaca II for a road trip and I might as well file the divorce papers if I tried to pull off trips to Albany and Ithaca in successive weekends.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 17, 2008, 08:59:36 AM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 17, 2008, 08:47:22 AM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 17, 2008, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 08:11:20 AM
Pep would enjoy an AU vs. RPI game...if RPI hosted, would it be the FINALE on '86 Field? Don't know if Pep could muster a band for a trip to Troy...how's about the Engineers meander out to Mayberry? Either place, bring a kazoo (or other instrument) and you're in the AU Pep Band!

yes, would be the finale on historic '86

I told Pep that I wouldn't be able to make a trip for the ECACs, but if it turns out to be AU @ RPI then I think I'll take Kaz00 Jr. and work my magic with Mrs. Kaz00.  I would much rather a home game since Pep and I are eyeing Cortaca II for a road trip and I might as well file the divorce papers if I tried to pull off trips to Albany and Ithaca in successive weekends.

Frank Rossi would handle the litigation at no charge.....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 17, 2008, 09:05:53 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 16, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
ECAC Northeast/Northwest Declared Teams (Final - Withdrawn Declarations Deleted):

                 Conf Div
School           W-L  W-L
------------------------- 
Husson           0-0  7-0 *
RPI              5-2  7-2
Hartwick         4-2  7-2 *
Alfred           4-2  7-3
St. John Fisher  4-2  6-4
Union            4-3  5-4


* - Potential Pool C team

Hmmmmm, why didn't WPI put in for an ECAC game?

My Predictions

Husson @ RPI
Union @ Alfred
Hartwick @ Fisher - yup, a rematch.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2008, 09:08:12 AM
Quote from: 'gro on November 17, 2008, 09:05:53 AM
Hmmmmm, why didn't WPI put in for an ECAC game?

My Predictions

Husson @ RPI
Union @ Alfred
Hartwick @ Fisher - yup, a rematch.

What is your rationale for Wick traveling to Fisher?  Wick has the better record and H2H.  So, while I think the rematch would be fun, I'd assume that Fisher would travel back to "The Cage."
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 17, 2008, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 17, 2008, 09:08:12 AM
Quote from: 'gro on November 17, 2008, 09:05:53 AM
Hmmmmm, why didn't WPI put in for an ECAC game?

My Predictions

Husson @ RPI
Union @ Alfred
Hartwick @ Fisher - yup, a rematch.

What is your rationale for Wick traveling to Fisher?  Wick has the better record and H2H.  So, while I think the rematch would be fun, I'd assume that Fisher would travel back to "The Cage."

Check that - Fisher @ Wick
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: JT on November 17, 2008, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 16, 2008, 09:48:41 PM
Tomorrow.

And I don't think Rowan even declared itself eligible for the ECACs so they were unlikely to get an invite.

Correct.  Rowan doesn't apply for the ECAC's.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2008, 09:36:03 AM
time today for the pairings?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2008, 09:51:15 AM
just announced- Fisher will travel to Husson in Bangor ME noon Sat. in the ECACs
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2008, 10:01:43 AM
Did you hear from a source inside Fisher or is it posted somewhere?  The past couple years I've leaned on Pep's media position to wrest the information away from Moretti or Murray and that wasn't until well after noon.

And if Fisher is flying to Maine, then Alfred has played its last home game of the year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: superman57 on November 17, 2008, 10:03:15 AM
I am signed up as part of the Fisher Text message service from the athletic department, and I got a text from them saying as much
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: redswarm81 on November 17, 2008, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 17, 2008, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 08:11:20 AM
Pep would enjoy an AU vs. RPI game...if RPI hosted, would it be the FINALE on '86 Field? Don't know if Pep could muster a band for a trip to Troy...how's about the Engineers meander out to Mayberry? Either place, bring a kazoo (or other instrument) and you're in the AU Pep Band!


yes, would be the finale on historic '86

That's the silver lining in RPI's last two games, it seems to me--gives '86 Field one last chance to go out a winner.

'86 Field: 1912 - 2008

I said a few weeks ago that RPI - Wick could/should be entertaining.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2008, 10:14:01 AM
Well, with Fisher and Husson off the board, I would assume that the ECAC would reward both Wick and RPI with home games.  So, it would either be two rematches or Union to Wick and Alfred to RPI.  Though I wouldn't mind at all if you were right, RS81.  I'd love to see Union at Alfred and Wick at RPI.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 10:16:59 AM
I'll let you guys know now that the ECAC Committee changed its own rules that had been previously placed on their website.  The Committee will consider Brockport as part of the Northwest despite its membership to the NJAC.  This goes counter to the following link:

http://www.ecac.org/championships/team/fball/2008-09/D3_Football_Alignments.pdf
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 17, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 10:16:59 AM
I'll let you guys know now that the ECAC Committee changed its own rules that had been previously placed on their website.  The Committee will consider Brockport as part of the Northwest despite its membership to the NJAC.  This goes counter to the following link:

http://www.ecac.org/championships/team/fball/2008-09/D3_Football_Alignments.pdf

I think Brockport is going to Wick on Sat.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2008, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: dlippiel on November 17, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 10:16:59 AM
I'll let you guys know now that the ECAC Committee changed its own rules that had been previously placed on their website.  The Committee will consider Brockport as part of the Northwest despite its membership to the NJAC.  This goes counter to the following link:

http://www.ecac.org/championships/team/fball/2008-09/D3_Football_Alignments.pdf

I think Brockport is going to Wick on Sat.

Port in the North would mean that Union is on the outside looking in.  I still think they should refrain from rematching Alfred and Wick, though I'd like to see if the Saxons could finish off that 1st and Goal the second time around!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 17, 2008, 10:24:10 AM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 17, 2008, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: dlippiel on November 17, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 10:16:59 AM
I'll let you guys know now that the ECAC Committee changed its own rules that had been previously placed on their website.  The Committee will consider Brockport as part of the Northwest despite its membership to the NJAC.  This goes counter to the following link:

http://www.ecac.org/championships/team/fball/2008-09/D3_Football_Alignments.pdf

I think Brockport is going to Wick on Sat.

Port in the North would mean that Union is on the outside looking in.  I still think they should refrain from rematching Alfred and Wick, though I'd like to see if the Saxons could finish off that 1st and Goal the second time around!

I don't think Union is getting a bid :-[ I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2008, 10:37:12 AM
Pep just got word that it's Alfred at RPI.  Now I need to work some magic with Mrs. Kaz00...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 17, 2008, 10:50:32 AM
Called the SJF vs Husson game 2 weeks ago:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4728.msg970110#msg970110 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4728.msg970110#msg970110)

Sad...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2008, 10:53:44 AM
along with super- i to get the texts from the athletic dept- hence the quick track
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 17, 2008, 11:08:35 AM
One quick thing for those going to Bangor, ME for the ECAC clash between SJF and Husson.

- Pats Pizza.  (11 Mill St. in Orono) About 20 minutes from the Husson campus.  Good food.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 17, 2008, 11:10:30 AM
Confirmed...RPI game will be on '86
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 17, 2008, 11:11:48 AM
Is it just me or do the ECAC games seem to be more interesting than any of the 1st Round NCAA "east region" matchups (save Lycoming/Hobart, I suppose) ?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: pg04 on November 17, 2008, 11:11:48 AM
Is it just me or do the ECAC games seem to be more interesting than any of the 1st Round NCAA "east region" matchups (save Lycoming/Hobart, I suppose) ?

I think that's because, for the most part, MUC, IC, C-State, the favorites look like heavy favorites
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 17, 2008, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: pg04 on November 17, 2008, 11:11:48 AM
Is it just me or do the ECAC games seem to be more interesting than any of the 1st Round NCAA "east region" matchups (save Lycoming/Hobart, I suppose) ?

I think that's because, for the most part, MUC, IC, C-State, the favorites look like heavy favorites


Yeah I definitely see the second round as VERY interesting,
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2008, 11:32:56 AM
after watching the cortaca jug game- i really hope that ic does their part and gets another shot at muc!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 11:46:49 AM
Here are all the match-ups courtesy of Matt Levy, Delaware Valley Sports Information Director Extraordinaire...

South Atlantic: Kean at DVC
Southeast: Catholic at Johns Hopkins
Southwest: Salisbury at Moravian
The new South Central: Albright at Montclair State

Northeast is St. John Fisher at Husson
North Atlantic: Alfred at RPI
Northwest is: Brockport at Hartwick

All are 12 p.m. kickoffs.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 17, 2008, 12:23:35 PM
RPI game notes, courtesy of RPI SID Kevin Beattie,

Engineers to host  Alfred on Saturday at noon on '86 Field

 

TROY, N.Y.– The Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI)  football team has been selected to play in the Eastern College Athletic  Conference (ECAC) North Atlantic Championship Game against AlfredUniversityon Saturday afternoon.   The Engineers, who are 7-2, and the Saxons, who are 7-3, will meet at noon on  '86 Field.

 

The game, the first meeting between the  two schools since 1973, will be the last on Rensselaer's historic home turf as  the Engineers move into the EastCampusAthleticVillagebeginning with the 2009  season.

 

This is the fourth straight season and  12th time in the last 17 years that RPI has qualified for post-season  action.  In addition to four NCAATournament appearances (1999, 2001, 2003 &  2007), the Engineers have played in seven ECAC Championship Games, including  in 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997, 2002, 2005 & 2006.  They are 7-0 all-time  in ECAC games.

 

Senior quarterback Jimmy  Robertson (Yonkers, NY/Iona Prep.) leads Rensselaer, having completed 190 of 305 passes for 2,328  yards with 17 touchdowns and just four interceptions.  He has also run  the ball 75 times for 198 yards and a score.  He has set numerous school  career records this season, including attempts (1228), completions (742),  yards passing (9,375) and total offense (9,912  yards).

 

Robertson has connected with  12 different receivers, including sophomore Patrick McCarthy (Strafford, NH/Spaulding), who has a team-high 67  receptions for 704 yards and six touchdowns.  Classmate Nick Costa  (Yonkers, NY/Iona Prep.) paces the running game with  145 carries for 495 yards and 10 touchdowns.

 

Defensively, junior defensive  back Joe Albano (Dalton,  MA/Wahconah Regional) has a  team-high 58 tackles, including 27 unassisted.  He also has two  interceptions with 24 return yards and three pass break-ups.  Stefan  Schulz (Bradford, MA/Haverhill), a junior defensive back, has 56  tackles, including 21 unassisted and four for lost yards (20).  He has  intercepted a team-best three passes and broken up three  passes.

 

Rensselar and Alfred, which plays in the  Empire 8, have met 13 times with the Saxons holding an 11-2-0 advantage.   The most recent game was in September 1973, a 45-21 Alfred win.  This  year, the Engineers and Saxons have three common opponents.  Both teams  have played – and defeated – UticaCollege, St. Lawrence University and  the Universityof Rochester. 

 

Saturday's game will be broadcast live on  the radio on WRPI, 91.5 FM, and the Internet at www.wrpi.org.  Live statistics and a live  webcast will be available at www.rpiathletics.com.

 

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 12:41:48 PM
This Alfred-RPI contest has all the makings of a "Super ECAC Championship" as the Saxons are unbeaten in its six ECAC Championship appearances, including four titles during the past four seasons, while host RPI is 7-0 in ECAC title games.

RPI and Alfred were both members of the former Independent College Athletic Conference (ICAC) when they last competed on the football field. The ICAC did not impose mandatory scheduling of conference foes, thus awarding "championships" to teams with a 3-0 or sometimes 2-1 conference record. Former members included Hobart, Union, St. Lawrence, RPI, RIT, Clarkson, Ithaca and Alfred.

Pep remembers some wild games with RPI in the past and can only expect that Saterday's game could be pretty wild as well. The Saxons are banged up from their skirmish with those pesky St. John Fisher Cardinals but have never been a squad to "phone it in." Pep will be working to muster a pep band to hit the road very early Saturday morning.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 17, 2008, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 12:41:48 PM
This Alfred-RPI contest has all the makings of a "Super ECAC Championship" as the Saxons are unbeaten in its six ECAC Championship appearances, including four titles during the past four seasons, while host RPI is 7-0 in ECAC title games.

RPI and Alfred were both members of the former Independent College Athletic Conference (ICAC) when they last competed on the football field. The ICAC did not impose mandatory scheduling of conference foes, thus awarding "championships" to teams with a 3-0 or sometimes 2-1 conference record. Former members included Hobart, Union, St. Lawrence, RPI, RIT, Clarkson, Ithaca and Alfred.

Pep remembers some wild games with RPI in the past and can only expect that Saterday's game could be pretty wild as well. The Saxons are banged up from their skirmish with those pesky St. John Fisher Cardinals but have never been a squad to "phone it in." Pep will be working to muster a pep band to hit the road very early Saturday morning.



I will probably be there too, Pep... I'm sure I will be able to find you with your band!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: JQV on November 17, 2008, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 11:46:49 AM
The new South Central: Albright at Montclair State

How does the name of this bowl slide past all the LLPPers lurking on the ECAC board?

ECAC announces that Tre, Doughboy, Ricky and Chris will flip the coin

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 01:44:20 PM
Jose:

Surprisingly enough, the same image came to my mind when I read that game title.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: dewcrew88 on November 17, 2008, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 12:41:48 PM
This Alfred-RPI contest has all the makings of a "Super ECAC Championship" as the Saxons are unbeaten in its six ECAC Championship appearances, including four titles during the past four seasons, while host RPI is 7-0 in ECAC title games.

RPI and Alfred were both members of the former Independent College Athletic Conference (ICAC) when they last competed on the football field. The ICAC did not impose mandatory scheduling of conference foes, thus awarding "championships" to teams with a 3-0 or sometimes 2-1 conference record. Former members included Hobart, Union, St. Lawrence, RPI, RIT, Clarkson, Ithaca and Alfred.

Pep remembers some wild games with RPI in the past and can only expect that Saterday's game could be pretty wild as well. The Saxons are banged up from their skirmish with those pesky St. John Fisher Cardinals but have never been a squad to "phone it in." Pep will be working to muster a pep band to hit the road very early Saturday morning.



I will probably be there too, Pep... I'm sure I will be able to find you with your band!

It doesn't appear that Pep will be able to muster much of a band for this Saterday as some pep band members also perform in the University's Concert Band (concert at 8 p.m. Friday, Nov. 21) and AU's Jazz Band (concert at 7 p.m. Saturday, Nov. 22). Nevertheless, Pep will see if some of Mayberry's homeless people can hop on the bandwagon and pick up some pieces on the five-hour trip in order to make some noise at '86 Field's Last Hurrah!!

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 17, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 11:46:49 AM
Here are all the match-ups courtesy of Matt Levy, Delaware Valley Sports Information Director Extraordinaire...

South Atlantic: Kean at DVC
Southeast: Catholic at Johns Hopkins
Southwest: Salisbury at Moravian
The new South Central: Albright at Montclair State

Northeast is St. John Fisher at Husson
North Atlantic: Alfred at RPI
Northwest is: Brockport at Hartwick

All are 12 p.m. kickoffs.

82 hasn't a clue about what teams were eligible/considered?  Any surprises here?

Congrats to Fisher!  I fortunately won my last collegiate game in '95 ag Theil College.  In some ways (not many) that lessened the sting of not getting the ECAC nod.  So I think I can imagine how this feels like a life-rope to those seniors who were crushed on Sat. at Merrill. 

Take advantage of the opportunity to win your last game....that will last forever when the disappointment of the failed expectations in 2008 is gone 10 years from now!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 17, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 11:46:49 AM
Here are all the match-ups courtesy of Matt Levy, Delaware Valley Sports Information Director Extraordinaire...

South Atlantic: Kean at DVC
Southeast: Catholic at Johns Hopkins
Southwest: Salisbury at Moravian
The new South Central: Albright at Montclair State

Northeast is St. John Fisher at Husson
North Atlantic: Alfred at RPI
Northwest is: Brockport at Hartwick

All are 12 p.m. kickoffs.

82 hasn't a clue about what teams were eligible/considered?  Any surprises here?

Congrats to Fisher!  I fortunately won my last collegiate game in '95 ag Theil College.  In some ways (not many) that lessened the sting of not getting the ECAC nod.  So I think I can imagine how this feels like a life-rope to those seniors who were crushed on Sat. at Merrill. 

Take advantage of the opportunity to win your last game....that will last forever when the disappointment of the failed expectations in 2008 is gone 10 years from now!

Yes -- the surprise was that even though they added a fourth game in order to keep the NJAC teams in the ECAC South region, Steve Bamford screwed Union over for the third time in 13 years by allowing Brockport to be considered as an ECAC North team.  The ECAC needs to abide by its own rules and publications at some point.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 17, 2008, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 17, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 11:46:49 AM

Here are all the match-ups courtesy of Matt Levy, Delaware Valley Sports Information Director Extraordinaire...

South Atlantic: Kean at DVC
Southeast: Catholic at Johns Hopkins
Southwest: Salisbury at Moravian
The new South Central: Albright at Montclair State

Northeast is St. John Fisher at Husson
North Atlantic: Alfred at RPI
Northwest is: Brockport at Hartwick

All are 12 p.m. kickoffs.

82 hasn't a clue about what teams were eligible/considered?  Any surprises here?

Congrats to Fisher!  I fortunately won my last collegiate game in '95 ag Theil College.  In some ways (not many) that lessened the sting of not getting the ECAC nod.  So I think I can imagine how this feels like a life-rope to those seniors who were crushed on Sat. at Merrill. 

Take advantage of the opportunity to win your last game....that will last forever when the disappointment of the failed expectations in 2008 is gone 10 years from now!

Yes -- the surprise was that even though they added a fourth game in order to keep the NJAC teams in the ECAC South region, Steve Bamford screwed Union over for the third time in 13 years by allowing Brockport to be considered as an ECAC North team.  The ECAC needs to abide by its own rules and publications at some point.

Clearly than Steve Bamford is a ****head!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 17, 2008, 03:53:37 PM
Me thinks the blitzing defense of Alfred may give RPI problems.  Better hit the film room coaches...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: redswarm81 on November 17, 2008, 04:02:06 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 12:41:48 PM
This Alfred-RPI contest has all the makings of a "Super ECAC Championship" as the Saxons are unbeaten in its six ECAC Championship appearances, including four titles during the past four seasons, while host RPI is 7-0 in ECAC title games.

RPI and Alfred were both members of the former Independent College Athletic Conference (ICAC) when they last competed on the football field. The ICAC did not impose mandatory scheduling of conference foes, thus awarding "championships" to teams with a 3-0 or sometimes 2-1 conference record. Former members included Hobart, Union, St. Lawrence, RPI, RIT, Clarkson, Ithaca and Alfred.

Pep remembers some wild games with RPI in the past and can only expect that Saterday's game could be pretty wild as well. The Saxons are banged up from their skirmish with those pesky St. John Fisher Cardinals but have never been a squad to "phone it in." Pep will be working to muster a pep band to hit the road very early Saturday morning.


I always chuckled at the irony in the title "Independent College Athletic Conference."

In RS81's day--which was during the days of the ICAC, RPI did not play Alfred or Ithaca in football.  RIT ended football operations around noon of RS81's day.  Clarkson had long since shut down its football program.

So I never played football against Alfred, but I ran in a heck of a lot of track meets against them (both Al and Fred  ;) ).  Brian O'Neill, consensus All-American safety for Alfred, was an acquaintance--good guy, amazing athlete once he filled out--after his freshman year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2008, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: dewcrew88 on November 17, 2008, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 17, 2008, 12:41:48 PM
This Alfred-RPI contest has all the makings of a "Super ECAC Championship" as the Saxons are unbeaten in its six ECAC Championship appearances, including four titles during the past four seasons, while host RPI is 7-0 in ECAC title games.

RPI and Alfred were both members of the former Independent College Athletic Conference (ICAC) when they last competed on the football field. The ICAC did not impose mandatory scheduling of conference foes, thus awarding "championships" to teams with a 3-0 or sometimes 2-1 conference record. Former members included Hobart, Union, St. Lawrence, RPI, RIT, Clarkson, Ithaca and Alfred.

Pep remembers some wild games with RPI in the past and can only expect that Saterday's game could be pretty wild as well. The Saxons are banged up from their skirmish with those pesky St. John Fisher Cardinals but have never been a squad to "phone it in." Pep will be working to muster a pep band to hit the road very early Saturday morning.

I will probably be there too, Pep... I'm sure I will be able to find you with your band!

It doesn't appear that Pep will be able to muster much of a band for this Saterday as some pep band members also perform in the University's Concert Band (concert at 8 p.m. Friday, Nov. 21) and AU's Jazz Band (concert at 7 p.m. Saturday, Nov. 22). Nevertheless, Pep will see if some of Mayberry's homeless people can hop on the bandwagon and pick up some pieces on the five-hour trip in order to make some noise at '86 Field's Last Hurrah!!

On Saxon Warriors!

Pep and I are working the phones to line up a band for saterday.  We'll have to forgo our intended trip to Cortaca II, but it will be nice to see the last game at '86.  Hopefully the Saxons can go 3-0 against the LL this year!

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 17, 2008, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: dlippiel on November 17, 2008, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 17, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 11:46:49 AM

Here are all the match-ups courtesy of Matt Levy, Delaware Valley Sports Information Director Extraordinaire...

South Atlantic: Kean at DVC
Southeast: Catholic at Johns Hopkins
Southwest: Salisbury at Moravian
The new South Central: Albright at Montclair State

Northeast is St. John Fisher at Husson
North Atlantic: Alfred at RPI
Northwest is: Brockport at Hartwick

All are 12 p.m. kickoffs.

82 hasn't a clue about what teams were eligible/considered?  Any surprises here?

Congrats to Fisher!  I fortunately won my last collegiate game in '95 ag Theil College.  In some ways (not many) that lessened the sting of not getting the ECAC nod.  So I think I can imagine how this feels like a life-rope to those seniors who were crushed on Sat. at Merrill. 

Take advantage of the opportunity to win your last game....that will last forever when the disappointment of the failed expectations in 2008 is gone 10 years from now!

Yes -- the surprise was that even though they added a fourth game in order to keep the NJAC teams in the ECAC South region, Steve Bamford screwed Union over for the third time in 13 years by allowing Brockport to be considered as an ECAC North team.  The ECAC needs to abide by its own rules and publications at some point.

Clearly than Steve Bamford is a ****head!

I don't see it that way.   :)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 06:08:05 PM
Fisher plays in the east region.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 17, 2008, 06:08:40 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 06:08:05 PM
Fisher plays in the east region.

And the sky is blue...

whats your point?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 06:13:29 PM
Where is Bangor Maine, I need to send directions to all the Fisher Boo birds .
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 17, 2008, 06:21:58 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 17, 2008, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: dlippiel on November 17, 2008, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 17, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 11:46:49 AM

Here are all the match-ups courtesy of Matt Levy, Delaware Valley Sports Information Director Extraordinaire...

South Atlantic: Kean at DVC
Southeast: Catholic at Johns Hopkins
Southwest: Salisbury at Moravian
The new South Central: Albright at Montclair State

Northeast is St. John Fisher at Husson
North Atlantic: Alfred at RPI
Northwest is: Brockport at Hartwick

All are 12 p.m. kickoffs.

82 hasn't a clue about what teams were eligible/considered?  Any surprises here?

Congrats to Fisher!  I fortunately won my last collegiate game in '95 ag Theil College.  In some ways (not many) that lessened the sting of not getting the ECAC nod.  So I think I can imagine how this feels like a life-rope to those seniors who were crushed on Sat. at Merrill. 

Take advantage of the opportunity to win your last game....that will last forever when the disappointment of the failed expectations in 2008 is gone 10 years from now!

Yes -- the surprise was that even though they added a fourth game in order to keep the NJAC teams in the ECAC South region, Steve Bamford screwed Union over for the third time in 13 years by allowing Brockport to be considered as an ECAC North team.  The ECAC needs to abide by its own rules and publications at some point.

Clearly than Steve Bamford is a ****head!

I don't see it that way.   :)

I understand but I tend to listen to Frank and feel he is quite knowledgeable when it comes to specifics like ecac rules for example. So if this Steve did not follow regulations that the ecac had in place I think he is a ****head. If he did follow all regulations and chose accordingly then he is not, simple and sweet. I honestly felt the Dutchmen didn't really deserve a bid because of their losses to WPI and Rochester. I would have still loved to see them get a bid, especially for the seniors. I love the Dutch! Next year baby we are coming on with a storm!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 08:13:10 PM
Fisher seniors are not hangig their heads, the underclassmen are.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 17, 2008, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 08:13:10 PM
Fisher seniors are not hangig their heads, the underclassmen are.

Please change your name to: [insert son's name here] fan.  fishfan is a bit of a stretch at this point.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 08:13:10 PM
Fisher seniors are not hangig their heads, the underclassmen are.

Here we go again... With all due respect to my friend Mark Robinson... Fisher fans are becoming more and more annoying by the day with this self-defeating brutality on these boards.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 09:16:52 PM
FISHFAN RULES !
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 09:21:05 PM
Really you guys need to get a life! My son has long been gone From Fisher.  My grandkids are closing in.  GO FISHER!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2008, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 09:21:05 PM
Really you guys need to get a life! My son has long been gone From Fisher.  My grandkids are closing in.  GO FISHER!

Excuse me, Sir, but...

WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 09:36:37 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 08:13:10 PM
Fisher seniors are not hangig their heads, the underclassmen are.

Seriously man, just knock it off. Your comments are rarely constructive, just petty little shots at players and coaches. You make your fellow SJF fans look bad because we assume all fans are like you. There's a line from my favorite movie that goes something like this:

"How do you have patience for people who claim they love [SJF], but clearly can't stand [SJF players and coaches]?"

Like, what's the deal, Mark Robinson shook your hand once and you became so convinced that his God-like appearance in SJF meant that there would never be dark days again? So now you think SJF has this divine right to go 12-2 every season and get to Alliance, because hey, who wants to go back as far as 2001 and remember when the team was terrible and a walking doormat for good teams in the region? Anything less than a trip to the NCAA semis is a disgrace to the proud tradition of SJF football and the coaches and underclassmen should hide in shame closets till the offseason?

SJF is a classy program with great kids and, this season nonwithstanding, have been a solid team for the past 4-5 years. Well guess what? Unless you're MUC, you have down years. Sometimes you miss the playoffs. If you're so convinced everyone is so inept up there, get off these boards and apply for a coaching position. Most SJF fans are as frustrated as you are about the 6-4 season, but tough as they are on the team, none of them are unrelentingly negative and critical like you are. Grow up.

By the way, don't think I haven't forgotten about your nice little "Some of us have higher expectations than losing to Cortland and going to the ECAC's every year" comment about Ithaca. We'll be thinking of you as we host an NCAA game. Enjoy Maine


Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: superman57 on November 17, 2008, 10:12:39 PM
Ok, fishfan SHUT THE f*** UP!!!!!! Am I upset at how Fisher looked at times this year, ya of course it's upsetting, but get the f*** over it... It's a motherf***ing game and that's it, Relax enjoy the fact that we have another game, and that our QB is a sophmore... we will be back next year...


Go Bombers!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 10:15:00 PM
 Great, who the back up in 09.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: superman57 on November 17, 2008, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 10:15:00 PM
Great, who the back up in 09.

and we said my grammar was bad...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 10:21:37 PM
I kind of wish SJF runs a 15-0 on us next year so fishfan goes away.........
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 10:22:07 PM
Memo to bombers # whatever, my favorite movie says what ever your good at go do. So what are you and Parks good at? I love this.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 10:22:07 PM
Memo to bombers # whatever, my favorite movie says what ever your good at go do. So what are you and Parks good at? I love this.

There is something I'm good at. It's knowing how to spell "you're" correctly when using it in a sentence.

I'm assuming Parks is a coach at SJF? Presumably, one you hate. I don't know him, so I can't speak to his talents. I can say however, that since SJF is paying for his services, that he's better at coaching a football team than you are. Which, in a sense, explains why he's preparing for a post-season game and you're mocking his ability on a message board. You ever thought about calling him up in his office and explaining your offensive strategy to him? Or telling him how bad he is at his job? Or do you prefer slinking around and feeling superior to actually being a productive member of a fan base?

I am curious however. What is your ultimate goal on these boards? Do you call all your buddies over and say "Look at what I said about these coaches online? And these guys responded. I am the man!" Does it make your day better? You should get a dog or a girlfriend or something. And if you have one, spend time more with them. I am sure they miss your witty banter.


Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 10:34:51 PM
Blagh, Blagh, Blagh .
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 10:34:51 PM
Blagh, Blagh, Blagh .

Eloquent comment as always, friend. I know it's hard for you when people use logic and ask straightforward questions instead of sarcasm and blind criticism. Keep your head up.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 11:07:00 PM
Blagh, Whatever. Please make a point. The Fisher O stunk,make an argument to for the  Fisher O , so I can rebut.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 11:11:54 PM
 Fisher won't go 15- 0 Next year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 11:31:34 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 11:07:00 PM
Blagh, Whatever. Please make a point. The Fisher O stunk,make an argument to for the  Fisher O , so I can rebut.

That's not the issue we have. If you'd stick to football and quit sneaking in personal attacks on players and coaches, we'd all get along.

I do however, not think Fisher's offense stunk. I think they had some issues with turnovers and redzone offense, but had the defense stepped up against Salisbury instead of allowing 626 total yards, they'd have probably pulled that game out. Likewise, the 33 points they scored should have been enough against Alfred. Was the offense the smooth running machine it was in say, 2006? Of course not. But they were a solid unit that almost always did enough for the team to win.

All in all, there were a few reasons for SJF's struggles this year.

1) Offensive struggles in the redzone, occasional turnover problems
2) A defense that gave up 24 points a game, which is 10 more points per game then they gave up last season
3) A rough OOC schedule while playing in a tougher conference

Some of these problems were no doubt the result of a change in coaching philosophy. But, some of them probably were the result of a natural erosion of ability due to players graduating. Them's the breaks. Mark Robinson and James Reile were great, but you can't bring that kind of talent in every year, unless you're playing ball in Alliance. Carlton averaged 4.2 YPC with no rushes over 30 yards. Hanson and Reile last season averaged 4.7. Robinson averaged 5.8 YPC. The difference between Robinson and Carlton is too great to not be based, in part, in pure ability level. As for Marion, well heck, he's a sophomore, no? Most QB's don't fall right into a groove. Josh Felliceti didn't for IC. He presided over a terrible offense as a freshman, but as he improved, so did the team. Sometimes, it's just not possible to replace guys. Mark Robinson was a one of a kind talent, and as a result, he took SJF to new heights. He's not going to be easy to replace, and SJF has had difficulty. Likewise, losing a good QB in Kramer will hurt.

But this is the life of college ball. There's no reason to get as personal as you've gotten on these boards  

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 17, 2008, 11:46:15 PM
Bombers you cant look at stats here, the entire offense was out of sync all season.  There was no flow to it, it was feast or famine.  I appreciate your attempt to break it down statistically but the offense was the problem all season long. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 18, 2008, 12:13:06 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 17, 2008, 11:46:15 PM
Bombers you cant look at stats here, the entire offense was out of sync all season.  There was no flow to it, it was feast or famine.  I appreciate your attempt to break it down statistically but the offense was the problem all season long. 

That's fair...you've seen it more than me...

Fishfan just gets on my nerves. I've never once seen him/her post anything mildly constructive on these boards and he/she just serves to antagonize people and give fellow SJF fans a bad name
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 12:24:10 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 18, 2008, 12:13:06 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 17, 2008, 11:46:15 PM
Bombers you cant look at stats here, the entire offense was out of sync all season.  There was no flow to it, it was feast or famine.  I appreciate your attempt to break it down statistically but the offense was the problem all season long. 

That's fair...you've seen it more than me...

Fishfan just gets on my nerves. I've never once seen him/her post anything mildly constructive on these boards and he/she just serves to antagonize people and give fellow SJF fans a bad name

Its a sad day when a SJF fan is giving me of all people a bad rap...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 06:50:09 AM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 11:07:00 PM
Blagh, Whatever. Please make a point. The Fisher O stunk,make an argument to for the  Fisher O , so I can rebut.

fishfan if the SJF offense stunk, the backups must have really stunk huh?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 18, 2008, 09:30:35 AM
Pep band update: we currently have confirmations from 2 trumpets, a sousaphone, bass drum and kazoo.  We're hoping to convince another handful of musicians to make the trip, but we'll be there making noise regardless of our size.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 18, 2008, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2008, 09:36:37 PM
Quote from: fishfan on November 17, 2008, 08:13:10 PM




By the way, don't think I haven't forgotten about your nice little "Some of us have higher expectations than losing to Cortland and going to the ECAC's every year" comment about Ithaca. We'll be thinking of you as we host an NCAA game. Enjoy Maine




Actually, that was "SJF Fan" who said that....not "fishfan"  BTW....stop responding to this clown called "fishfan"....he is clearly feeding off of the reponses he is getting.  He has nothing to say and will stop posting when people stop responding..
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
OK...OK...I'm going to ask it once and for all...

Please, somebody, explain to me the history of the Alfred Pep Band that makes it an annual discussion point.  I'm not dissing it -- I'm just trying to understand the history of it all!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 18, 2008, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
OK...OK...I'm going to ask it once and for all...

Please, somebody, explain to me the history of the Alfred Pep Band that makes it an annual discussion point.  I'm not dissing it -- I'm just trying to understand the history of it all!

And you stop taking "fishfan"'s posts and attributing them to the whole program ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 18, 2008, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
OK...OK...I'm going to ask it once and for all...

Please, somebody, explain to me the history of the Alfred Pep Band that makes it an annual discussion point.  I'm not dissing it -- I'm just trying to understand the history of it all!

And you stop taking "fishfan"'s posts and attributing them to the whole program ;)

As I said, I don't "hate" all Fisher fans... I've called enough of your games over the past 3 years to have a certain fondness.  Robby has been a friend over that time, and I've gotten close to others in that time, too.  The issue is the persistence of the Pearl Harboring going on here.  It's one thing if the AD were tearing your program apart or diverting resources to other sports in the name of self-promotion.  It's another thing if the players and coaches are simply having a tougher time on the field since there's a big bullseye on them every time they play now.  SJF's commitment to their football program internally is very strong.  People's comments should mirror that support -- not run counter to it.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 01:54:16 PM
"Robby"?? Ugh...a little too familiar for RT
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 02:02:04 PM
wow- miss a day and i miss all this?
sheesh.
fish fan- dont know who ya are but the slammin has to stop.

you sound like a sci fi movie "help me obi ROB you're my only hope"

oh- no offense btw rob-  :Pits all good
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 02:07:34 PM
Btw, the only thing that got RT through these last couple of weeks of RPI losses is Sirius's "Hairnation" channel (now on XM as well)

How can Brittney Fox NOT make things right in the world??
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 18, 2008, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 02:07:34 PM
Btw, the only thing that got RT through these last couple of weeks of RPI losses is Sirius's "Hairnation" channel (now on XM as well)

How can Brittney Fox NOT make things right in the world??

it's Britny Fox but K+ anyway for the reference
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 02:30:48 PM
You get the point..which is "at the girls' school, my baby broke all the rules"
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:50:56 PM
As I said, I don't "hate" all Fisher fans... I've called enough of your games over the past 3 years to have a certain fondness.  Robby has been a friend over that time, and I've gotten close to others in that time, too.  The issue is the persistence of the Pearl Harboring going on here.  It's one thing if the AD were tearing your program apart or diverting resources to other sports in the name of self-promotion.  It's another thing if the players and coaches are simply having a tougher time on the field since there's a big bullseye on them every time they play now.  SJF's commitment to their football program internally is very strong.  People's comments should mirror that support -- not run counter to it.

Ok Frank, while I very much respect your contributions on here I think that you may be off on this one.  SJF put themselves in this mess, with the super aggressive schedule, the installation of the new offense and having a first year starting QB.  It was destined for failure.  How much of their own Kool Aid must the be drinking if they expect to be successful playing this schedule while installing a new offensive scheme suited for speed and athleticism by a first year QB and RB that do not posess those traits??  They bit off way more than they can chew this year.  SJF tried walking the walk and talking the talk this year and ended up on crutches talking out of a small hole in their throat with a voice box. 

I dont understand why they didnt simplify the playbook this year to cut back on their mistakes by a new QB.  They tried to hard to out think the other coaches in the conference, to be honest I really think they just ended up outsmarting themselves this year.  If your going to go out and try to be the big bad bully of the east only to have it horrificly blow up in your face there is going to be some sort of critizism from outside and inside of the program. 

I am very passionate about that team and that school.  I blew out my knee there, I got many turf burns there before they switched surfaces there, I was there when they went 6-4 and then 8-3 and knew how important it was to the program to go to the ECAC's for the first time.  I still get physically sick to my stomach when this team loses and even struggles to win, do I go overboard?? No question about it but with their recent success comes expectations from Alumni, the parents, the fans and even other teams from the conference and region. 

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 18, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:50:56 PM
As I said, I don't "hate" all Fisher fans... I've called enough of your games over the past 3 years to have a certain fondness.  Robby has been a friend over that time, and I've gotten close to others in that time, too.  The issue is the persistence of the Pearl Harboring going on here.  It's one thing if the AD were tearing your program apart or diverting resources to other sports in the name of self-promotion.  It's another thing if the players and coaches are simply having a tougher time on the field since there's a big bullseye on them every time they play now.  SJF's commitment to their football program internally is very strong.  People's comments should mirror that support -- not run counter to it.

Ok Frank, while I very much respect your contributions on here I think that you may be off on this one.  SJF put themselves in this mess, with the super aggressive schedule, the installation of the new offense and having a first year starting QB.  It was destined for failure.  How much of their own Kool Aid must the be drinking if they expect to be successful playing this schedule while installing a new offensive scheme suited for speed and athleticism by a first year QB and RB that do not posess those traits??  They bit off way more than they can chew this year.  SJF tried walking the walk and talking the talk this year and ended up on crutches talking out of a small hole in their throat with a voice box. 

I dont understand why they didnt simplify the playbook this year to cut back on their mistakes by a new QB.  They tried to hard to out think the other coaches in the conference, to be honest I really think they just ended up outsmarting themselves this year.  If your going to go out and try to be the big bad bully of the east only to have it horrificly blow up in your face there is going to be some sort of critizism from outside and inside of the program. 

I am very passionate about that team and that school.  I blew out my knee there, I got many turf burns there before they switched surfaces there, I was there when they went 6-4 and then 8-3 and knew how important it was to the program to go to the ECAC's for the first time.  I still get physically sick to my stomach when this team loses and even struggles to win, do I go overboard?? No question about it but with their recent success comes expectations from Alumni, the parents, the fans and even other teams from the conference and region. 



Frank has a hard time criticizing the team he is devoted to if they are 'committed' to football.  It doesn't matter if the coaches are making poor decisions, can't get the kids motivated, or just aren't good enough coaches to get them to the next level.  As long as they are committed, you aren't allowed to criticize them.

Let's face it, Fisher, Ithaca, RPI, Hobart, Union, and even Hartwick, ALL have bullseyes on their backs.  Who cares.  As fans, we expect them to win every game, every year, leave the excuses at the door.  If a coaching staff isn't getting it done, or has maxed out with just how far they can bring them, I think fans are MORE than entitled to make any comments they want to.

Just beware the wrath of Frank.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 18, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
Frank has a hard time criticizing the team he is devoted to if they are 'committed' to football.  It doesn't matter if the coaches are making poor decisions, can't get the kids motivated, or just aren't good enough coaches to get them to the next level.  As long as they are committed, you aren't allowed to criticize them.

Let's face it, Fisher, Ithaca, RPI, Hobart, Union, and even Hartwick, ALL have bullseyes on their backs.  Who cares.  As fans, we expect them to win every game, every year, leave the excuses at the door.  If a coaching staff isn't getting it done, or has maxed out with just how far they can bring them, I think fans are MORE than entitled to make any comments they want to.

Just beware the wrath of Frank.

A commitment to a program is the willingness to pay for an away game to Mount Union and to Salisbury. 

A commitment to a program is to know there could be ramifications to those actions but to understand that ultimately, those ramifications could actually make that team better over time.

A commitment to a program is the investment of a great deal of money to prop up your facilities to make the comfort of your student-athletes improve and to induce high-quality players to make a trek to attend your school.

The points that are being discussed here about what has led to the "downfall" of SJF this year is actually the exact process that got the team to the heights they saw over the past few years.  SJF's schedule ranked as one of the most potent schedules around in the early 2000s -- while slowly creating a buildup of wins and dropoff in losses.  One season does not a trend make -- especially a season that was technically 6-3 when you toss out their warm-up game at Mt. Union.  It's simple to throw stones at these guys, LD, but to criticize at this point would be to show naivity as to the history of the SJF program and their buildup.

Just because it doesn't work the way we all "expect" in 2008 doesn't make the "Kool-Aid" bad.  It means that perhaps the team had an experience drop-off that festered upon itself throughout the year.  How do you build experience?  You play games against teams that may be better than you.  You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth since you're the RPI guy who frequently condemns the RPI out-of-conference schedule.  So, which is it?  Do you favor a tougher or an easier schedule?  Be consistent.

Remember something:  SJF was an extra point away from its third consecutive trip to the NCAAs this year.  Is that truly underperformance?  Is 6-4 (or 6-3) really worth condemning and criticizing the coaches and players to THIS degree?  The administration, coaches and even players are angst-ridden enough about their own performance -- they don't basque in these results.  They don't need fans to take pot-shots at them on a daily basis.  Their success buildup over the past decade should perhaps give the team a free pass for a year before Chicken Little runs around declaring that the sky is falling.

There's a difference between bringing up points for improvement and simple destructive commentary that bases itself on things that cannot be changed instantaneously.  That's where a lot of the SJF criticism has gone, though, and that's my issue.  We all Monday-morning quarterback.  However, your comments seem to suggest that calling for people's heads for one fair year is acceptable.  Well, my suggestion is to follow my own example at Union -- ask questions first, form your own opinions based on available information, wait to see if a trend is truly present and still try to accentuate the strengths of players while discussing the negatives you might see.  It took me three years to call for some focus to be placed at the top of the Union Athletics food chain based on a trend I found and that was confirmed by other Union fans.  It wasn't based on ONE SEASON. 

These are people's livelihoods, LD.  It's easy to act like this is Madden '08 and say that heads must roll.  This is real life, though, and one year of below-expected performance is not what should allow that discussion to manifest.  If that were the case, then John Audino's and Joe King's heads should have rolled a long time ago.  And neither of us believe for one second that such a move would've been a positive move for either program.  Again, be consistent and watch what you wish for here.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 06:08:28 PM
Lots of passion today. Maybe we need a timeout. Does anyone else like white cheddar Cheez Its? Damn those are awesome and now they have Parmesian and Garlic, can you believe that?? I can eat a whole box of that shiz...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:14:57 PM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 06:08:28 PM
Lots of passion today. Maybe we need a timeout. Does anyone else like white cheddar Cheez Its? Damn those are awesome and now they have Parmesian and Garlic, can you believe that?? I can eat a whole box of that shiz...

Maybe we can get them as an ITH sponsor???

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 18, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
First off, my post said nothing about anyone's schedule.  Someone's 'commitment' to the program and their schedules have nothing to do with this discussion.  This discussion was based on thoughts about particular coaching decisions, in this case, at SJF, as well as some teams' performances this year, not against Mt. Union, but maybe against the Utica's and Merchant Marine's of the world.  

Next, we are fans.  We can say whatever the he!! we want.  This is a posting board, and we are expressing OPINIONS.  Do you think AD's, or whomever, are really giving 2 craps what anyone here posts as their opinion of a current situation?  The answer is NO!  Do you think Theo Epstein would go and fire Francona because someone called WEEI radio and said that he should have pulled the pitcher early?  I sure as heck hope not.  

I think the people in charge place a little more importance on the future of 'people's livelihoods' and can make their own decisions without taking our posts on a website as gospel.  It's not like we're forming a militia that is going to go and overtake coaching staffs all over America.  Although that would be rather fun...Gro can act as William Wallace, and U89 can be Hamish Campbell....

So, with that being said, it is quite alright for us to express our feelings here.  This is our forum to do it.  And you know what, in a lot of the cases, the things posted here are correct.  And if certain people could remove themselves from their loyalty for two seconds, and step away from the rose colored glasses, they may actually be able to see some truth shining through.

nuff said



 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 06:20:32 PM
I agree with both of you.

It does get kind of tired though when the same people say the same negative things over and over again.

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 18, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
First off, my post said nothing about anyone's schedule.  Someone's 'commitment' to the program and their schedules have nothing to do with this discussion.  This discussion was based on thoughts about particular coaching decisions, in this case, at SJF, as well as some teams' perfromances this year, not against Mt. Union, but maybe against the Utica's and Merchant Marine's of the world.  

Upstate's entire post focused on the scheduling issue.  Many other posts have done the same thing, with a lot of whining about why the school scheduled such tough opponents, destining the team to losses.  Do some research on this one if you don't believe me.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 18, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
Next, we are fans.  We can say whatever the he!! we want.  This is a posting board, and we are expressing OPINIONS.  Do you think AD's, or whomever, are really giving 2 craps what anyone here posts as their opinion of a current situation?  The answer is NO!  Do you think Theo Epstein would go and fire Francona because someone called WEEI radio and said that he should have pulled the pitcher early?  I sure as heck hope not.  

Actually, yes... Some do.  I'd be happy to give you a reference on this one in private.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 18, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
I think the people in charge place a little more importance on the future of 'people's livelihoods' and can make their own decisions without taking our posts on a website as gospel.  It's not like we're forming a militia that is going to go and overtake coaching staffs all over America.  Although that would be rather fun...Gro can act as William Wallace, and U89 can be Hamish Campbell....

Players read this crap frequently.  They aren't playing this game for major contracts (with minor exceptions) or for major coverage.  My point is that perhaps we should err on the side of respectfulness before we go all ballistic on their gameplay or shake their own confidence in their coaching staff.  

There's something called the "Universal Maxim" that was put forth by Immanuel Kant that states you need to apply your action universally to evaluate whether or not your action would become self-defeating when performed on a universal basis.  I subscribe to that -- and for good reason.  If we all tore into Division III teams the way that SJF is getting torn into this season for a lower-than-expected winning season, then nobody would schedule better opposition in order to avoid the scrutiny that's being applied here.  It also would make players second guess whether they'd even want to play at this level.  Again, there are ways to accentuate the positives while discussing the negatives.  Balance is akin to respect in this case.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 18, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
So, with that being said, it is quite alright for us to express our feelings here.  This is our forum to do it.  And you know what, in a lot of the cases, the things posted here are correct.  And if certain people could remove themselves from their loyalty for two seconds, and step away from the rose colored glasses, they may actually be able to see some truth shining through.

I've already shown you how the criticism in this situation is suspect right now.  You missed my main point, obviously, that some stepping back would allow people to see what might be happening in the case of SJF.  The problem is that there's plenty of inconclusiveness right now -- so nobody should sit here and act like they know what led to a somewhat disappointing 2008.  My point is that history sides with SJF currently.  Maybe I'm wrong.  However, I'm not going to take people out at the knees to get my points across.

Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 18, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
nuff said

Fine :)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 06:32:13 PM
LD..I am going to go first person here. I think you nake some valid arguments just as I think Frank raises some good points. While I agree that ADs don't (or shouldn't) give a crap about the content of these posts, I still believe that players and some coaches read them and take something from the "tone" of the messages. As you crrectly pointed out, speech is free here...for me, I'm not a fan of the caustic criticism of my own team in a board like this when we hide behind aliases. I know we disagree on this one but I do think that in the small, tight knit community of D3 ball, "style points" go a long way in the perception if "loyalty". I guess all I'm trying to say that you seem to think that words on these forums don't mean much to the people in the current sphere of a program...and I disagree.

Anyway, I still like Cheezits
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:00:53 PM

Remember something:  SJF was an extra point away from its third consecutive trip to the NCAAs this year.  Is that truly underperformance?  Is 6-4 (or 6-3) really worth condemning and criticizing the coaches and players to THIS degree?  The administration, coaches and even players are angst-ridden enough about their own performance -- they don't basque in these results.  They don't need fans to take pot-shots at them on a daily basis.  Their success buildup over the past decade should perhaps give the team a free pass for a year before Chicken Little runs around declaring that the sky is falling.

GOD i didnt want to get into again but here goes...

What changes even if they do make the NCAA's??

Making the NCAA does not, IMO, give them a pass for a season long struggle with offensive coaching, scheme and play calling....

My opinion would not change if the outcome of the AU game was different...

Im not backing down from this, they basically wasted a very talented roster this year because someone watched too many Timmy Tebow highlights on ESPN and thought "hey that would be a fun offense to run"...

Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 18, 2008, 06:35:26 PM
Guys to lighten things up we can always take it back to Curry or Wick ;D ****ing white cheesits are amazing!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
"Inner city"?? You mean like Wildcats?

...Its the sport of kings, better than diamond rings
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 06:40:00 PM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
"Inner city"?? You mean like Wildcats?

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 06:43:29 PM
Frank, I have no problem with their schedule.  However, I do have a problem with the decision to put install a new spread based offense with a new QB and no game changing RB's or QB's on the roster with that schedule...

They decided to go Timmy Tebow with no Timmy Tebow all season long...

Suffering through turnover after turnover all season long you'd think they'd change things up, but that didn't happen...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:00:53 PM

Remember something:  SJF was an extra point away from its third consecutive trip to the NCAAs this year.  Is that truly underperformance?  Is 6-4 (or 6-3) really worth condemning and criticizing the coaches and players to THIS degree?  The administration, coaches and even players are angst-ridden enough about their own performance -- they don't basque in these results.  They don't need fans to take pot-shots at them on a daily basis.  Their success buildup over the past decade should perhaps give the team a free pass for a year before Chicken Little runs around declaring that the sky is falling.

GOD i didnt want to get into again but here goes...

What changes even if they do make the NCAA's??

Making the NCAA does not, IMO, give them a pass for a season long struggle with offensive coaching, scheme and play calling....

My opinion would not change if the outcome of the AU game was different...

Im not backing down from this, they basically wasted a very talented roster this year because someone watched too many Timmy Tebow highlights on ESPN and thought "hey that would be a fun offense to run"...

Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...



Having called SJF games during their most successful period and reviewing their rosters, such "Inner-City" and "Down South" players weren't what gained SJF success.  It was a pretty Upstate NY-centric roster if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 06:43:29 PM
Frank, I have no problem with their schedule.  However, I do have a problem with the decision to put install a new spread based offense with a new QB and no game changing RB's or QB's on the roster with that schedule...

They decided to go Timmy Tebow with no Timmy Tebow all season long...

Suffering through turnover after turnover all season long you'd think they'd change things up, but that didn't happen...


Have you reached out to the staff to ask them for their reasons?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 18, 2008, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 06:34:32 PM
Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...

Yeah, those guys are good.

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 06:50:23 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 06:43:29 PM
Frank, I have no problem with their schedule.  However, I do have a problem with the decision to put install a new spread based offense with a new QB and no game changing RB's or QB's on the roster with that schedule...

They decided to go Timmy Tebow with no Timmy Tebow all season long...

Suffering through turnover after turnover all season long you'd think they'd change things up, but that didn't happen...


I can see changing things up, but if you dont have "game changing" QB or RB, wouldnt a spread offense be the perfect thing to run?

I mean, the spread is the new triple option/flex bone, where if you dont have the size or speed on offense, you can run this offensive and "outcoach" the other team by blocking 5-5.  And its a great offense if you do have the best talent (Florida)

I dont know how fast SJFs QB is (you obviously need a QB with some speed to run it) but maybe the coaches thought this was sort of a rebuilding year and/or couldnt run what they have been running with the players they had this year?

I do agree with you about the changing it up issue.  Many coaches have the  philosphy that the spread is to run it 100% of the time 100% no-huddle.  This system does work for many teams.  I like the way MUC did it.  They had a package where they ran some spread, but they had 3-4 other packages where they ran other things.  I think that is the way to go, and I think that is what you were looking for this year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 06:00:53 PM

Remember something:  SJF was an extra point away from its third consecutive trip to the NCAAs this year.  Is that truly underperformance?  Is 6-4 (or 6-3) really worth condemning and criticizing the coaches and players to THIS degree?  The administration, coaches and even players are angst-ridden enough about their own performance -- they don't basque in these results.  They don't need fans to take pot-shots at them on a daily basis.  Their success buildup over the past decade should perhaps give the team a free pass for a year before Chicken Little runs around declaring that the sky is falling.

GOD i didnt want to get into again but here goes...

What changes even if they do make the NCAA's??

Making the NCAA does not, IMO, give them a pass for a season long struggle with offensive coaching, scheme and play calling....

My opinion would not change if the outcome of the AU game was different...

Im not backing down from this, they basically wasted a very talented roster this year because someone watched too many Timmy Tebow highlights on ESPN and thought "hey that would be a fun offense to run"...

Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...



Having called SJF games during their most successful period and reviewing their rosters, such "Inner-City" and "Down South" players weren't what gained SJF success.  It was a pretty Upstate NY-centric roster if I remember correctly.

Yeah I know, and yet they changed their offense to a speed offense that these kids do not have...

Im sorry but even Robby wouldnt be able to run in this offense...

Robby was the man running his off tackle zones and counters with the backside guard and tackle pulling...

How many times did we see this offense do that? I'd bet less than 10 times, not per game, all year we ran those plays that produced 1,000 yd rusher after 1,000 yd rusher...

They went from going from a denver broncos style of offense that took them deep into the playoffs to a florida gators/texas longhorns style of offense that doesnt fit...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
"Inner city"?? You mean like Wildcats?

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More like this guy...

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 06:54:07 PM
Here's an alternate perspective:

Teams that adopt a "spread" do so because they don't have many game changers and maybe wouldn't match up well in a more traditional offense. In RPI's case, they went to the spread way back when because they didn't have an Oline and they had a soph QB (dan cole) with a decent arm and good decision making...and they didn't want him to get killed. Was he the 2nd coming when they put that offense in? No..he didn't start as a Fr and no one had the crystal ball to forsee what that offense would turn into at RPI.

In RTs opinion, its a tough call when to install a new O. Rt doesn't know enough about fisher's talent. However, that offense takes intelligence at the qb spot. Even if you don't have "game changing" physical skill, you can be successful if you are intelligent and accurate
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: 'gro on November 18, 2008, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 06:34:32 PM
Unless SJF gets some kids in from the inner city or down south this offense will be a failure again next year...

Yeah, those guys are good.

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 07:03:00 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 06:50:23 PM

I can see changing things up, but if you dont have "game changing" QB or RB, wouldnt a spread offense be the perfect thing to run?

I mean, the spread is the new triple option/flex bone, where if you dont have the size or speed on offense, you can run this offensive and "outcoach" the other team by blocking 5-5.  And its a great offense if you do have the best talent (Florida)

I dont know how fast SJFs QB is (you obviously need a QB with some speed to run it) but maybe the coaches thought this was sort of a rebuilding year and/or couldnt run what they have been running with the players they had this year?

I do agree with you about the changing it up issue.  Many coaches have the  philosphy that the spread is to run it 100% of the time 100% no-huddle.  This system does work for many teams.  I like the way MUC did it.  They had a package where they ran some spread, but they had 3-4 other packages where they ran other things.  I think that is the way to go, and I think that is what you were looking for this year.

I went through this before but here it goes again...

There was no threat from their Tebow guy (Robbie Brown) either he was injured or he'd take the snap and run lateral and gain a yard...

But there was no play action threat all year, there was no threat from bootlegs at all.  You get that inside/outside zone plays going from under center and use the Boot and Playaction effectively like PARKS used too the run and pass games both benefit.  Thats the frustrating part, they took their bread and butter and burnt it to a crisp.  

Tim Bailey does not turn the ball over as much as he did this year if they were running the 2006/2007 offenses.  

The whole season was filled with mind boggling plays and schemes.  IE, vs Salisbury.  They go empty with a RB in the slot, motion him back across the O-line and then roll out away from the motion leaving the RB (Carlton) left to block an All American DE (Chandler) needless to say Carlton didnt stand a chance and Bailey still was pressured and hit every time they did so...

It was a case of not putting these guys in positions to be successful all season long and that is the frustrating part...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 18, 2008, 07:05:23 PM
Since I can't quotes anyone to the likes of Immanuel Kant, I will quote the recently LLPP inducted honorary member, Mike Singletary, using the grill of Marshawn Lynch...

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I'm Samurai Mike I stop'em cold.
Part of the defense, big and bold,
I've been jammin' for quite a while,
Doin' what's right and settin' the style,
Give me a chance, I'll rock you good,
Nobody messin' in my neighborhood.
I didn't come here lookin' for trouble,
I just came to do The Super Bowl Shuffle




Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Findtheball on November 18, 2008, 07:11:33 PM
 ugly grill ! had a better looking one on my '65 Fairlane
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 07:13:56 PM
seeing nolinenoglorys posts around the east region reminds me of when my 2 year old nephew runs into the living room with no pants on and trys to jump up on everyones lap.

Hilarious.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Findtheball on November 18, 2008, 07:16:47 PM
 Thats right JU and I was doing the Mushroom stamp back then too, actually thats when I started at your cousins house, hilarious
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:17:40 PM
is anybody else uncomfortable on this board now?
upstate- wow-- even for you --wow.

i am speechless.
and embarrassed.

wow
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:17:40 PM
is anybody else uncomfortable on this board now?
upstate- wow-- even for you --wow.

i am speechless.
and embarrassed.

wow

Uncomfortable how, though???
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:22:09 PM
frank- id rather not go down that road- tho stereo typing is a start
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 07:23:28 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:17:40 PM
is anybody else uncomfortable on this board now?
upstate- wow-- even for you --wow.

i am speechless.
and embarrassed.

wow

God what did I say now...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: superman57 on November 18, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
can we get another cheez it break...

Listen, a game is a game... am I puzzled at some of Fisher's choices offensively yes, but maybe the decision to make some of those calls was that they weren't comfortable not getting tricky, so until Paul Vosburgh says that Coach Park is a moron and has no clue what he is doing, I'm giving them all the benefit of the doubt...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:22:09 PM
frank- id rather not go down that road- tho stereo typing is a start

Gotcha.  Stereotyping isn't cool -- it's probably a news flash to Robby, Stepnick and Kramer that they were "Inner City" or "Deep South" kids.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:25:12 PM
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
thanks for the levity frank
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: superman57 on November 18, 2008, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:22:09 PM
frank- id rather not go down that road- tho stereo typing is a start

Gotcha.  Stereotyping isn't cool -- it's probably a news flash to Robby, Stepnick and Kramer that they were "Inner City" or "Deep South" kids.


Deep South=Upstate Farm Country
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Findtheball on November 18, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
 aren't you guys heading down 95 north this weekend?  is that the road you're talking about ?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:26:34 PM
did i miss sarcasm somewhere- if i did i m sorry but geez
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: superman57 on November 18, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: nolinenoglory on November 18, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
aren't you guys heading down 95 north this weekend?  is that the road you're talking about ?

come on... did ANYONE else find that funny
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:27:32 PM
With respect to Upstate -- I misquote him.  He said "Down South," not "Deep South."
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 07:27:54 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:22:09 PM
frank- id rather not go down that road- tho stereo typing is a start

Gotcha.  Stereotyping isn't cool -- it's probably a news flash to Robby, Stepnick and Kramer that they were "Inner City" or "Deep South" kids.

Umm Kramer and Robby were not running this offense in case you skipped what I just said...

Last time I checked Stepnick played Defense and I didnt mention that unit...

But nice try though...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:28:47 PM
Quote from: superman57 on November 18, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: nolinenoglory on November 18, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
aren't you guys heading down 95 north this weekend?  is that the road you're talking about ?

come on... did ANYONE else find that funny

Dunno, but I'm going to try to drive up 95 South here in Miami this weekend and see if the cops have an issue with it.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: superman57 on November 18, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: nolinenoglory on November 18, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
aren't you guys heading down 95 north this weekend?  is that the road you're talking about ?

come on... did ANYONE else find that funny

Good catch, missed that...

Here comes NLNG's mushroom stamp phrase...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:31:31 PM
evidently i missed sarcasm upstate--a thousand aplogies
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 07:27:54 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:22:09 PM
frank- id rather not go down that road- tho stereo typing is a start

Gotcha.  Stereotyping isn't cool -- it's probably a news flash to Robby, Stepnick and Kramer that they were "Inner City" or "Deep South" kids.

Umm Kramer and Robby were not running this offense in case you skipped what I just said...

Last time I checked Stepnick played Defense and I didnt mention that unit...

But nice try though...

Well, my point is that you seem to be stereotyping where good football players come from to run certain offenses.  My point is that that's rediculus.  Better scrap your entire roster if that's the case.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 07:32:40 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: superman57 on November 18, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: nolinenoglory on November 18, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
aren't you guys heading down 95 north this weekend?  is that the road you're talking about ?

come on... did ANYONE else find that funny

Good catch, missed that...

Here comes NLNG's mushroom stamp phrase...

Suprisingly I did not know what a "mushroom stamp" was so I looked it up and had my third loudest laugh of the night (the first two were from Gro's posts).  Its not fit to print on post patterns but I will give you the example of what urbandictionay.com had for a sentence.

"Jen was steppin out of line, so i gave her a mushroom stamp."

Classic NLNG.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Findtheball on November 18, 2008, 07:33:04 PM
   Frank , that was not funny!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: nolinenoglory on November 18, 2008, 07:33:04 PM
  Frank , that was not funny!

That's what the Miami PD just told me, too.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:31:31 PM
evidently i missed sarcasm upstate--a thousand aplogies

no there was no sarcasm used, i said it...

this team does not have the right personnel to run this offense...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Findtheball on November 18, 2008, 07:35:51 PM
 c'mon Upstate you've never heard that saying before ?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:36:22 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:31:31 PM
evidently i missed sarcasm upstate--a thousand aplogies

no there was no sarcasm used, i said it...

this team does not have the right personnel to run this offense...

You failed to answer my question from earlier -- have you reached out to the coaching staff to discuss their choices and style this season?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:38:47 PM
wow
upstate then you need to explain yourself-that is just aweful
you know what dont bother-
im too tired
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 18, 2008, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:32:30 PM

Well, my point is that you seem to be stereotyping where good football players come from to run certain offenses.  My point is that that's rediculus.  Better scrap your entire roster if that's the case.

Well we could step into the whole Texas/Miami probably producing more than half of the D1 players conversation and it could back up my point but that is a whole different ball of wax...

You cant run this offense with out speed.  Bailey and Carlton are not going to win any races any time soon...

Unless they're getting in some stud recruits they better scrap the whole offensive game plan and scheme...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:44:42 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:32:30 PM

Well, my point is that you seem to be stereotyping where good football players come from to run certain offenses.  My point is that that's rediculus.  Better scrap your entire roster if that's the case.

Well we could step into the whole Texas/Miami probably producing more than half of the D1 players conversation and it could back up my point but that is a whole different ball of wax...

You cant run this offense with out speed.  Bailey and Carlton are not going to win any races any time soon...

Unless they're getting in some stud recruits they better scrap the whole offensive game plan and scheme...

I look at Jimmy Robertson at RPI, managing a spread offense... and I don't see extreme speed in his case.  I also don't see "Inner City" or "Down South" when I look at him on the roster.  It's not extreme speed that makes the spread work -- it's generally experience, understanding, offensive line blocking and elusive receivers -- or some combination therein.  The whole idea of the spread is that it opens up many possibilities for the QB, including tucking it under.  QBs are NOT going to successfully run a spread based on speed alone, if at all -- it takes more brains and comfort to do so.  The QBs that run inside a spread are essentially playing off the fact that the defenses they face have to go man to account for the potential targets, opening up the center of the field sometimes for a QB run.  The difference in QB speed there probably means the difference between a 10-yard gain and an 11-yard gain -- QBs are not going to outrun DBs in most cases regardless of the geographic regions they come from.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 18, 2008, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:38:47 PM
wow
upstate then you need to explain yourself-that is just aweful
you know what dont bother-
im too tired

Those who constantly say they hate anyone who went to Hartwick shouldn't throw stones....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 18, 2008, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:38:47 PM
wow
upstate then you need to explain yourself-that is just aweful
you know what dont bother-
im too tired

Those who constantly say they hate anyone who went to Hartwick shouldn't throw stones....

I think FA91 is joking whenever he says that out loud -- FA91 is always being funny on these boards from what I've seen, so I'd be surprised if he meant that.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 18, 2008, 07:48:57 PM
Classic Calling out of the QB or relative of the QB at Cortland on the NJAC page..
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 18, 2008, 07:49:46 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 18, 2008, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:38:47 PM
wow
upstate then you need to explain yourself-that is just aweful
you know what dont bother-
im too tired

Those who constantly say they hate anyone who went to Hartwick shouldn't throw stones....

I think FA91 is joking whenever he says that out loud -- FA91 is always being funny on these boards from what I've seen, so I'd be surprised if he meant that.

Probably, but his way of posting makes it difficult to discern anything. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 18, 2008, 07:48:57 PM
Classic Calling out of the QB or relative of the QB at Cortland on the NJAC page..

I saw that.  Thats a big one too.  Is Adelphia a communications company in any specific region where we could get some more info?

Classic.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:51:13 PM
pg you are right- i have an anti-hartwick slant.
guilty as charged.
tho i make no apologies - my disdain is founded and personal
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:52:33 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:51:13 PM
pg you are right- i have an anti-hartwick slant.
guilty as charged.
tho i make no apologies - my disdain is founded and personal

So you REALLY hate all things 'wick??????
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:54:23 PM
and you boys are right i am funny!
hard to get the personality on a board- you would understand if ya knew me
ask some of the other fisher faithful of the doctors!
im funny!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2008, 07:56:10 PM
hmmm- all things frank?
well
no
i guess that there are some redeeming values to the college
still looking for them tho
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
Frank,
Jimmy Robertson is from down south...yonkers is south of Troy
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:57:40 PM
OK... Let me try this more slowly this time...

Up - State...

Have you voiced

your dis-ap-prov-al to

the coach-ing staff

of St. John Fish-er

in or-der to

find out why

the coach-ing staff

has de-cid-ed to

run the of-fense

with which you

are up-set?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:58:35 PM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
Frank,
Jimmy Robertson is from down south...yonkers is south of Troy

Damn.  Strike up the banjos at '86 this weekend, then, to make him feel more at home!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 18, 2008, 08:33:52 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 07:13:56 PM
seeing nolinenoglorys posts around the east region reminds me of when my 2 year old nephew runs into the living room with no pants on and trys to jump up on everyones lap.

Hilarious.

I'm f'ing dying over here...   The posts are on FIYA!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2008, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2008, 07:13:56 PM
seeing nolinenoglorys posts around the east region reminds me of when my 2 year old nephew runs into the living room with no pants on and trys to jump up on everyones lap.

Hilarious.

BOL....f'n  hilarious!! pbr is still chucklin at that one... +k
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2008, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 07:58:35 PM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
Frank,
Jimmy Robertson is from down south...yonkers is south of Troy

Damn.  Strike up the banjos at '86 this weekend, then, to make him feel more at home!

did someone say squeal piggy...

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: superman57 on November 18, 2008, 08:55:02 PM
FrankRossi are you gonna be in Schenectady for Thanksgiving...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 08:56:24 PM
Quote from: superman57 on November 18, 2008, 08:55:02 PM
FrankRossi are you gonna be in Schenectady for Thanksgiving...

Of course.  My family needs a turkey present -- so I have to be there.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 18, 2008, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
OK...OK...I'm going to ask it once and for all...

Please, somebody, explain to me the history of the Alfred Pep Band that makes it an annual discussion point.  I'm not dissing it -- I'm just trying to understand the history of it all!

Frank, we're just a little eccentric out here in Mayberry.  And there's good reason.  For instance, did you know that there is only one line on conduit which brings cable/internet into Alfred?  So, if say a garbage truck or a cement mixer were to run into one of those poles then the entire valley including both AU and ASC would be without internet and cable for hours.  And that brings me to my next point, it sucks to be without the internet all day because some idiot with a CDL knocks out a pole just outside of Alfred!

But, we're back online now and so I'll answer your question about the pep band.  When I was in college there hadn't been a pep band at Alfred since the 70s.  So, Pep, myself and few of my friends all started attending games as a kazoo band to cheer on our friend who was the 3rd string QB (and some special teams).  The current pep band was born out of this and we are much more pep than band which distinquishes us from most other pep bands who are typically more interested in their song list than the game.  We're a little over the top about our support which spills out onto the boards, but we're basically fans with instruments rather then musicians at a game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 18, 2008, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
OK...OK...I'm going to ask it once and for all...

Please, somebody, explain to me the history of the Alfred Pep Band that makes it an annual discussion point.  I'm not dissing it -- I'm just trying to understand the history of it all!

Frank, we're just a little eccentric out here in Mayberry.  And there's good reason.  For instance, did you know that there is only one line on conduit which brings cable/internet into Alfred?  So, if say a garbage truck or a cement mixer were to run into one of those poles then the entire valley including both AU and ASC would be without internet and cable for hours.  And that brings me to my next point, it sucks to be without the internet all day because some idiot with a CDL knocks out a pole just outside of Alfred!

But, we're back online now and so I'll answer your question about the pep band.  When I was in college there hadn't been a pep band at Alfred since the 70s.  So, Pep, myself and few of my friends all started attending games as a kazoo band to cheer on our friend who was the 3rd string QB (and some special teams).  The current pep band was born out of this and we are much more pep than band which distinquishes us from most other pep bands who are typically more interested in their song list than the game.  We're a little over the top about our support which spills out onto the boards, but we're basically fans with instruments rather then musicians at a game.

My first ride into Alfred was in 1996.  I was concerned, not because of the 3 inches of snow... not because I forgot to bring a jacket... but because on the way to the school, I saw a sign outside a store:

"JOHN, YOUR SPARK PLUGS ARE IN."

I knew I was in trouble then.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 18, 2008, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 18, 2008, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
OK...OK...I'm going to ask it once and for all...

Please, somebody, explain to me the history of the Alfred Pep Band that makes it an annual discussion point.  I'm not dissing it -- I'm just trying to understand the history of it all!

Frank, we're just a little eccentric out here in Mayberry.  And there's good reason.  For instance, did you know that there is only one line on conduit which brings cable/internet into Alfred?  So, if say a garbage truck or a cement mixer were to run into one of those poles then the entire valley including both AU and ASC would be without internet and cable for hours.  And that brings me to my next point, it sucks to be without the internet all day because some idiot with a CDL knocks out a pole just outside of Alfred!

But, we're back online now and so I'll answer your question about the pep band.  When I was in college there hadn't been a pep band at Alfred since the 70s.  So, Pep, myself and few of my friends all started attending games as a kazoo band to cheer on our friend who was the 3rd string QB (and some special teams).  The current pep band was born out of this and we are much more pep than band which distinquishes us from most other pep bands who are typically more interested in their song list than the game.  We're a little over the top about our support which spills out onto the boards, but we're basically fans with instruments rather then musicians at a game.

And furthermore, quite Frankly, (Pep's pops is Frank and grandpops was Earnest...) AU Pep Band epitomizes all that Pep believes you, Frank, espouse in D3 football fans. The band from its inception has had as its aim to support our Saxons and to create a fun, positive atmosphere at AU football games where AU fans, when so inspired, have a means whereby they can have an avenue through which to express their support for their team. AU Pep Band tries to keep it positive.

AU Pep Band is, as Kaz00 explained, more apt to play music that directly responds to what has happened on the football field, rather than putting on a concert. AU Pep Band aims to blast out "the perfect cheer" rather than  play a difficult musical piece to wow the crowd.

The band aptly chanted, "Block that kick!" with the Fishermen lined up for the game-winning PAT Saterday and were thusly rewarded. Seemingly on a roll, the band followed that up with a successful "Win that toss!"

AU Pep Band has been supporting the Saxons since Fall 1999 and since 2001 has played at numerous away games, thanks to the AU Pep Bandwagon, a 1992 Grand Caravan with more than 308,000 miles that Pep has been driving since 9/11/01.

Frank, does that help any?

On Saxon Warriors!



Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2008, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 18, 2008, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
OK...OK...I'm going to ask it once and for all...

Please, somebody, explain to me the history of the Alfred Pep Band that makes it an annual discussion point.  I'm not dissing it -- I'm just trying to understand the history of it all!

Frank, we're just a little eccentric out here in Mayberry.  And there's good reason.  For instance, did you know that there is only one line on conduit which brings cable/internet into Alfred?  So, if say a garbage truck or a cement mixer were to run into one of those poles then the entire valley including both AU and ASC would be without internet and cable for hours.  And that brings me to my next point, it sucks to be without the internet all day because some idiot with a CDL knocks out a pole just outside of Alfred!

But, we're back online now and so I'll answer your question about the pep band.  When I was in college there hadn't been a pep band at Alfred since the 70s.  So, Pep, myself and few of my friends all started attending games as a kazoo band to cheer on our friend who was the 3rd string QB (and some special teams).  The current pep band was born out of this and we are much more pep than band which distinquishes us from most other pep bands who are typically more interested in their song list than the game.  We're a little over the top about our support which spills out onto the boards, but we're basically fans with instruments rather then musicians at a game.

And furthermore, quite Frankly, (Pep's pops is Frank and grandpops was Earnest...) AU Pep Band epitomizes all that Pep believes you, Frank, espouse in D3 football fans. The band from its inception has had as its aim to support our Saxons and to create a fun, positive atmosphere at AU football games where AU fans, when so inspired, have a means whereby they can have an avenue through which to express their support for their team. AU Pep Band tries to keep it positive.

AU Pep Band is, as Kaz00 explained, more apt to play music that directly responds to what has happened on the football field, rather than putting on a concert. AU Pep Band aims to blast out "the perfect cheer" rather than  play a difficult musical piece to wow the crowd.

The band aptly chanted, "Block that kick!" with the Fishermen lined up for the game-winning PAT Saterday and were thusly rewarded. Seemingly on a roll, the band followed that up with a successful "Win that toss!"

AU Pep Band has been supporting the Saxons since Fall 1999 and since 2001 has played at numerous away games, thanks to the AU Pep Bandwagon, a 1992 Grand Caravan with more than 308,000 miles that Pep has been driving since 9/11/01.

Frank, does that help any?

On Saxon Warriors!





I asked it for all of those who were too afraid to ask...  I, for one, am enlightened.  Thank you, kind sirs.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 19, 2008, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2008, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: Senor RedTackle on November 18, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
"Inner city"?? You mean like Wildcats?

...Its the sport of kings, better than diamond rings

More like this guy...

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Darnell Jefferson...

Tailback...

As long as Jefferson brings Autumn with him, then im for it.    "PLACE AT THE TABLE... STARTING DEFENSE"
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 19, 2008, 09:27:33 PM
Here's the AU preview on the Alfred vs. RPI ECAC North Atlantic Championship Bowl:

http://saxons.alfred.edu/pressreleases/viewrelease.cfm?ID=5112
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:32:53 PM
So... What should Brockport look out for when playing Hartwick?  ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 19, 2008, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:32:53 PM
So... What should Brockport look out for when playing Hartwick?  ;)

I hear that they are pretty weak at the QB position,  Port definitely has the advantage in that department...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 19, 2008, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:32:53 PM
So... What should Brockport look out for when playing Hartwick?  ;)

I hear that they are pretty weak at the QB position,  Port definitely has the advantage in that department...

If only we could have gotten them to play at Mount Boozer..
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 19, 2008, 10:40:43 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:32:53 PM
So... What should Brockport look out for when playing Hartwick?  ;)

Look out for the fence!!!  ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 19, 2008, 10:45:26 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 19, 2008, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:32:53 PM
So... What should Brockport look out for when playing Hartwick?  ;)

I hear that they are pretty weak at the QB position,  Port definitely has the advantage in that department...

If only we could have gotten them to play at Mount Boozer..

Its not that bad of a crown at Port, you can still see the opponents from the knees up from the opposite bench...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 19, 2008, 10:45:26 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 19, 2008, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 19, 2008, 10:32:53 PM
So... What should Brockport look out for when playing Hartwick?  ;)

I hear that they are pretty weak at the QB position,  Port definitely has the advantage in that department...

If only we could have gotten them to play at Mount Boozer..

Its not that bad of a crown at Port, you can still see the opponents from the knees up from the opposite bench...

I still think we have the weirdest field name at the weakest sounding stadium name...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 19, 2008, 10:47:57 PM
Whats wrong with combining Booze and wheelchairs??

Is that still considered DUI???
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 20, 2008, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 19, 2008, 10:47:57 PM
Whats wrong with combining Booze and wheelchairs??

Is that still considered DUI???

Speaking from experience, in a motorized wheelchair...um, yeah, it is.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Knightstalker on November 20, 2008, 11:02:00 AM
Most states they can hit you for DUI for any type of vehicle that is motorized and in some even if it is not motorized.  NJ they can hit you for drunk bike riding.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 20, 2008, 11:21:04 AM
drunk snowmobiling will get you a $20-$100 fine in MA.

drunk snowmobiling on a public way can get you $50-$300 or 60 days in the slammer.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: realistic on November 20, 2008, 11:34:11 AM
when I lived in Minnesota, there were a bunch of bars in the sticks that always had more snowmobiles in the parking lots that cars in the winter.  I always thought that was interesting.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 20, 2008, 03:07:23 PM
Attention Alfred players and coaches.

Dining options are slim in Troy, NY. Gro suggests you eat a good meal at Gus' Hot Dogs (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=gus+hot+dogs+watervliet+ny&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=26.397049,41.572266&ie=UTF8&ll=42.76554,-73.715858&spn=0.059987,0.16943&z=13&layer=c&cbll=42.735432,-73.701476&panoid=-ebzUZ78YC8sHican2X4WA&cbp=1,194.8370577631605,,0,5) (check google street view) about 2 hours before kickoff.


Limit 6 dogs and 2 burgers per player. Use only as directed. Side effects may include excessive flatulence and "stank mouth". Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is not responsible for any Alfred football player that may crap their pants during the ECAC Bowl game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Knightstalker on November 20, 2008, 03:18:20 PM
What's up with the building with the turtle on the roof?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 20, 2008, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: 'gro on November 20, 2008, 03:07:23 PM
Attention Alfred players and coaches.

Dining options are slim in Troy, NY. Gro suggests you eat a good meal at Gus' Hot Dogs (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=gus+hot+dogs+watervliet+ny&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=26.397049,41.572266&ie=UTF8&ll=42.76554,-73.715858&spn=0.059987,0.16943&z=13&layer=c&cbll=42.735432,-73.701476&panoid=-ebzUZ78YC8sHican2X4WA&cbp=1,194.8370577631605,,0,5) (check google street view) about 2 hours before kickoff.


Limit 6 dogs and 2 burgers per player. Use only as directed. Side effects may include excessive flatulence and "stank mouth". Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is not responsible for any Alfred football player that may crap their pants during the ECAC Bowl game.

Damn, seeing that little shack made LD11's mouth water.

May I interject for a second? As an ex-Troy native, if there's one thing I've learned, it's that if you're craving Gus's, the hot dogs anywhere else just don't cut it. In fact, just thinking about those tender little Gus's Hot Dogs with those little, itty-bitty grilled onions that just explode in your mouth like flavor crystals every time you bite into one... just makes me want to burn this motherf'er down. Come on, 'GRO, let's burn this motherf'er down! Come on, 'GRO! Let's burn it, 'GRO!  So you Alfred terds should just suck it up and go to Gus's hot Dogs.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 20, 2008, 04:42:20 PM
brilliant LD... spit all over the monitor
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Reno Hightower on November 20, 2008, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: 'gro on November 20, 2008, 03:07:23 PM
Attention Alfred players and coaches.

Dining options are slim in Troy, NY. Gro suggests you eat a good meal at Gus' Hot Dogs (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=gus+hot+dogs+watervliet+ny&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=26.397049,41.572266&ie=UTF8&ll=42.76554,-73.715858&spn=0.059987,0.16943&z=13&layer=c&cbll=42.735432,-73.701476&panoid=-ebzUZ78YC8sHican2X4WA&cbp=1,194.8370577631605,,0,5) (check google street view) about 2 hours before kickoff.


Limit 6 dogs and 2 burgers per player. Use only as directed. Side effects may include excessive flatulence and "stank mouth". Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is not responsible for any Alfred football player that may crap their pants during the ECAC Bowl game.

Send them to Muddys in Vliet!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 20, 2008, 05:11:05 PM
Where do you eat in Bangor, Maine?   You brought her....you....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: cstate19 on November 21, 2008, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 20, 2008, 11:02:00 AM
Most states they can hit you for DUI for any type of vehicle that is motorized and in some even if it is not motorized.  NJ they can hit you for drunk bike riding.

Trust me, you can get a DWI on a bike in NY.  My roomate almost pulled it off.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 21, 2008, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: cstate19 on November 21, 2008, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 20, 2008, 11:02:00 AM
Most states they can hit you for DUI for any type of vehicle that is motorized and in some even if it is not motorized.  NJ they can hit you for drunk bike riding.

Trust me, you can get a DWI on a bike in NY.  My roomate almost pulled it off.

arrested maybe...convicted no
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 21, 2008, 05:00:38 PM
RPI 31
Alfred 21
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 21, 2008, 05:10:07 PM
RPI 37
AU 38 OT

AU blocks another EP only this time in the bottom half of the first OT...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 21, 2008, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: 'gro on November 21, 2008, 05:00:38 PM
RPI 31
Alfred 21

gro, you gonna be at '86 tomorrow?  Who can Pep and I expect to meet up with?

EDIT: Seriously, Kaz00 Jr. loves Thomas the Train and I'm hoping a few of you Engineers can show him some of RPI's finest locomotives...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 21, 2008, 07:17:04 PM
RT and Poppa RT (AU '56) will be at '86 tomorrow!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2008, 09:37:06 AM
LET'S GO RPI!!! GO LL!

I wish Robertson and crew a lot of luck today. I was reading King's comments regarding last weeks loss and man he was really upset and sounded very disappointed in the engineers lack of focus and drive. I do believe this RPI team has underachieved this year and is capable of a lot more. Hopefully today they can get focused and send 86' and Robertson and Co off with a W the way they deserve to be sent off....with a W! Good luck RPI make the LL proud!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 22, 2008, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: Commish Kaz00 on November 21, 2008, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: 'gro on November 21, 2008, 05:00:38 PM
RPI 31
Alfred 21

gro, you gonna be at '86 tomorrow?  Who can Pep and I expect to meet up with?

EDIT: Seriously, Kaz00 Jr. loves Thomas the Train and I'm hoping a few of you Engineers can show him some of RPI's finest locomotives...

No can do, stuck in TN... hopefully the last last game on '86 can be a victory for the engineers. Two teams that don't "mail it in" in the ECAC's... should be a good one.

Let's Go Red!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 22, 2008, 12:19:28 PM
RPI - 7
Alfred - 3

1 Q 8:14 to go
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 22, 2008, 12:25:19 PM
sorry had to do it
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:26:26 PM
Husson vs SJF is a cluster-f__K

radio guys are horrible...

No clue on whats going on...

all i know is that its 0-0 still in the first...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:29:08 PM
If this play by play guy calls SJF Saint Johns again im going to lose my ****...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:30:19 PM
"its 3rd and 30 apparently we must of missed something"
-Husson play by play guy
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:32:03 PM
Bailey gets picked on a 3rd and 30...

Good run back by Husson and penalty flags fly...

This has been a very "chippy" game, apparently SJF is pissed...

No idea why though...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:34:21 PM
Husson radio guys are just amazingly horrible...

Not only has SJF fans been spoiled with success on the field but their radio guys blow these guys out of the water...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 12:47:21 PM
I would suggest that if they are students that you give them a little bit of a break... They are students after all and it's harder than it seems (trust me)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 12:47:21 PM
I would suggest that if they are students that you give them a little bit of a break... They are students after all and it's harder than it seems (trust me)

I dont think they are...

They sound like older men...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 22, 2008, 12:50:14 PM
14-10 RPI in the 2nd
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:53:52 PM
Bailey pulled for Hammell...

Hammell comes in and completes 2 straight passes...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:55:12 PM
Jimmy Smith playing today...

Im glad he gets to play in his last game...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 12:59:07 PM
SJF driving with Hammell in at QB...

Inside Husson 15yd line...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:02:44 PM
Boltus just ran for 30 yards on the first play of the Port/Wick game... Interesting
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:03:56 PM
Followed immediately by a Boltus TD Pass... 7-0 Hartwick less than 2 minutes in... Going to be a looooooong day. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:04:37 PM
SJF scores with 1:11 left in the half..

Hammell to Josiah Smith...

EP is good...

7-0...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:07:52 PM
Husson fumbles the ball at midfield...

SJF has 2 TO's left w/ 1:00 left in the half...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:11:19 PM
Port misses a Field goal... Gah. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:13:36 PM
SJF gets a good run but once again a penalty nullifies it...

SJF then goes 3 and out after that and punts it...

.3 seconds left in the half...

Husson takes a knee to end the half...

7-0 SJF...

thrilling game  :(
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: union89 on November 22, 2008, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 01:13:36 PM
SJF gets a good run but once again a penalty nullifies it...

SJF then goes 3 and out after that and punts it...

.3 seconds left in the half...

Husson takes a knee to end the half...

7-0 SJF...

thrilling game  :(


Probably about 27 people in attendence at that one up in Maine too.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:20:20 PM
14-0 Wick...

Port at midfield...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:22:52 PM
Port driving inside wicks 30yd line...

This drive Port has just ran the ball down Wicks throat...

Why its 14-0 Wick I dont know...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 22, 2008, 01:23:42 PM
RPI 24  Alfred 16

Almost halftime
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:24:27 PM
TD Port...

14-7 4:00 left in qtr...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:25:07 PM
14-7 Hartwick.

They did the same in the first drive but missed a Field goal.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 22, 2008, 01:30:34 PM
'MAILING IT IN' ALERT!!!

Albright 14
Montclair 0
1st quarter
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:31:59 PM
Brockport finally got a D stop and then blocked a punt now in good field position and in 3 plays get a TD

Brockport and Hartwick tied 14-14
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:32:24 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 22, 2008, 01:30:34 PM
'MAILING IT IN' ALERT!!!

Albright 14
Montclair 0
1st quarter

Looks like someone wasnt happy with being "snubbed" by Curry...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:33:07 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:31:59 PM
Brockport finally got a D stop and then blocked a punt now in good field position and in 3 plays get a TD

Brockport and Hartwick tied 14-14

GO PORT!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:33:40 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 01:33:07 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:31:59 PM
Brockport finally got a D stop and then blocked a punt now in good field position and in 3 plays get a TD

Brockport and Hartwick tied 14-14

GO PORT!!

Are you OK? lol
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 22, 2008, 01:34:13 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 01:32:24 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 22, 2008, 01:30:34 PM
'MAILING IT IN' ALERT!!!

Albright 14
Montclair 0
1st quarter

Looks like someone wasnt happy with being "snubbed" by Curry...

Yeah, or maybe the NJAC just wasn't that good and the NCAA got it right perhaps?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:35:51 PM
Hartwick to the 14 of Brockport...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:33:40 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 01:33:07 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:31:59 PM
Brockport finally got a D stop and then blocked a punt now in good field position and in 3 plays get a TD

Brockport and Hartwick tied 14-14

GO PORT!!

Are you OK? lol

Im anti Wick...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:36:38 PM
SJF switches QB's again...

Kevin Eick in at QB...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:36:53 PM
Brockport has had 2 roughing the QB calls....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:36:53 PM
Brockport has had 2 roughing the QB calls....

You mean Roughing Team Boltus calls...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:38:23 PM
SJF going with the Pee Wee football rules...

Everyone plays...

Problem is that its only 7-0...

Eick goes 3 and out...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 22, 2008, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 22, 2008, 01:34:13 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 01:32:24 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 22, 2008, 01:30:34 PM
'MAILING IT IN' ALERT!!!

Albright 14
Montclair 0
1st quarter

Looks like someone wasnt happy with being "snubbed" by Curry...

Yeah, or maybe the NJAC just wasn't that good and the NCAA got it right perhaps?

Montclair Kids are EMOtional

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Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 22, 2008, 01:39:41 PM
I would write it off as Montclair mailing it in.  Cortland is" Doggin'" Plymouth at this point in time.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
Quote from: 'gro on November 22, 2008, 01:39:02 PM


Montclair Kids are EMOtional

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EMO's-
Just because you are different does not mean you are useful...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 22, 2008, 01:42:43 PM
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on November 22, 2008, 01:39:41 PM
I would write it off as Montclair mailing it in.  Cortland is" Doggin'" Plymouth at this point in time.

And Cortland got 'dogged' by Ithaca.  I think Cortland is good, just not so sure about the rest.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:47:10 PM
Another personal foul penalty on SJF...

My guess, stop me if you've heard this before, a late hit by a LBer...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:48:37 PM
why would they playdiciplined now?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:50:24 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:48:37 PM
why would they playdiciplined now?

Im glad we're changing the QB just so everyone gets to play  ???
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:51:06 PM
ayso rules i guess
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:51:06 PM
ayso rules i guess

Hey guess what, another false start...

only about the 17000th one this year...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:53:10 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 01:36:53 PM
Brockport has had 2 roughing the QB calls....

You mean Roughing Team Boltus calls...

I can't keep up, and have to go right now unfortunately... Good luck to all!

Right now 28-21 Hartwick less than halfway through the second quarter.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:53:34 PM
PG whats the score between Team Boltus and Team Juicehead...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:53:53 PM
god do i appreciate the sfj booth crew.
these guys are just lost
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:56:14 PM
Husson 1st and Goal after a long run and a personal foul on SJF...

TD next play...

7-6 Husson w/ EP to come...

EP is good...

7-7...

6:24 left in the 3rd...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 22, 2008, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 12:34:21 PM
Husson radio guys are just amazingly horrible...

Not only has SJF fans been spoiled with success on the field but their radio guys blow these guys out of the water...

You're a good man, Upstate.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:57:32 PM
upstate what is the story with the anemic o-----and why using eick?
was there a benching that i didnt hear about?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:58:18 PM
we miss ya e8!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:58:41 PM
Seriously would playing all 3 QB's before the middle of the 3rd qtr in a 7-0 game be considered packing it in??

I mean obviously they don't care about the outcome...

Hammell back to QB now...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:57:32 PM
upstate what is the story with the anemic o-----and why using eick?
was there a benching that i didnt hear about?

The halftime reporter asked a SJF coach and he said that everyone would play, so i dont know if it was a benching of bailey or a planned change...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:01:12 PM
so coach vos could give a sh** about the outcome.
wow
everyone plays
wow- then why bother keep score?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:01:12 PM
so coach vos could give a sh** about the outcome.
wow
everyone plays
wow- then why bother keep score?

One weird season that is for sure...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:03:48 PM
understatement upstate
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:04:59 PM
3rd and 12, Hammell sacked...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:07:14 PM
SJF picked off Husson...

INT to midfield...

But another flag on the field...

During the return "some sort of penalty" called on SJF...

These guys are just amazing...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:08:28 PM
upstate- could these idiots make another excuse about their vantage point?
god
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 01:58:18 PM
we miss ya e8!
Thanks!  Gene extends his thanks as well.  Let's hope Fisher finds a way.  
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:09:42 PM
Hey there's that obligatory single wing sweep by SJF that goes no where...

Offense is basically horrible...

This is what happens when you run a rinky dink spread all year and then try to run it in inclement weather...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:11:51 PM
this old fisher alum needs the boys back in the booth- god this is just terrible----whats wrong e8- 10 hour ride give ya the willies? :P
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:12:14 PM
If Beihl wasnt made of balsa wood he'd be pretty good...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:11:51 PM
this old fisher alum needs the boys back in the booth- god this is just terrible----whats wrong e8- 10 hour ride give ya the willies? :P

Only room for one broadcast crew there...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:11:51 PM
this old fisher alum needs the boys back in the booth- god this is just terrible----whats wrong e8- 10 hour ride give ya the willies? :P

Good 'ol Husson did not have any room for a second radio station.   Unreal.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:14:19 PM
that is just too bad- this crew should go back to communications class- or actually learn the game...........
its um 4th and um something and i um
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:14:54 PM
4th and 7 for SJF...

No idea where the ball is spotted...

End of QTR...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:15:52 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:14:19 PM
that is just too bad- this crew should go back to communications class- or actually learn the game...........
its um 4th and um something and i um

Or how about some emotion by this color guy.  Agreed, with an earlier comment that this is not easy... but emotion is emotion.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:16:43 PM
color?
try black and white

they are just aweful
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:16:53 PM
Apparently SJF got a first down...

This is a disaster...

SJF ball "somewhere" around the 20 yard line...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:18:23 PM
41-35 Hartwick still 2 minutes in the 1st Half...

Garrett Lynch just broke the record for most rushing yards in a half. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:18:57 PM
Hammell TD pass to "someone"...

14-7 early in the 4th...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:19:22 PM
wait there is a pass in the end zone............did he catch it?
who was it?
is it a touchdown?
oh
i guess st john fisher got a touchdown

holy crap
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:18:23 PM
41-35 Hartwick still 2 minutes in the 1st Half...

Garrett Lynch just broke the record for most rushing yards in a half. 

NCAA or Port record??

Im not surprised either way, i listed to their first scoring possession and he had like 80yds on that drive alone...

107-100 Port, calling it now...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:21:42 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:18:23 PM
41-35 Hartwick still 2 minutes in the 1st Half...

Garrett Lynch just broke the record for most rushing yards in a half. 

NCAA or Port record??

Im not surprised either way, i listed to their first scoring possession and he had like 80yds on that drive alone...

107-100 Port, calling it now...

NCAA record, and now they are going to get the ball back again after a wick 3 and out...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:23:00 PM
"Dancing with the Stars"  REALLY??
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:21:42 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:18:23 PM
41-35 Hartwick still 2 minutes in the 1st Half...

Garrett Lynch just broke the record for most rushing yards in a half. 

NCAA or Port record??

Im not surprised either way, i listed to their first scoring possession and he had like 80yds on that drive alone...

107-100 Port, calling it now...

NCAA record, and now they are going to get the ball back again after a wick 3 and out...

Whats his stats like??
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:24:49 PM
juice williams dancin with the stars- wow
i have no idea what these guys are talking about half the time.
i even think they have missed a few plays
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:25:04 PM
I'm waiting for them to actually say... I think it's like 21 carries over 300 yards.  
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 22, 2008, 02:25:11 PM
Can someone tell me how the Husson broadcast sounds?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:26:05 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:25:04 PM
I'm waiting for them to actually say... I think it's like 21 carries over 300 yards.  

24 Carries, 351 yards, 4 touchdowns. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:27:11 PM
Hartwick just blocked a punt and could score again with 25 seconds left in the half.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:27:32 PM
4th and 8 coming up for Husson from midfield...

Punt coming up...

net of 15yds or so...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: 'gro on November 22, 2008, 02:25:11 PM
Can someone tell me how the Husson broadcast sounds?

Sounds like someone using a cheese grater to rub one out...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 22, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
Dude, I kinda want to listen to the Husson guys, but I have no interest in that game.  You know they are sitting in the booth with a huge doober, a box of Auntie Em's brownie's, and a space heater in their booth.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:29:03 PM
Wow, 48-35 , 25 seconds left.  
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:29:55 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:29:03 PM
Wow, 48-35 , 25 seconds left.  

Im telling ya, triple digits by both teams...

But according to Hartwick, their defense is sound...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 02:29:55 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:29:03 PM
Wow, 48-35 , 25 seconds left.  

Im telling ya, triple digits by both teams...

But according to Hartwick, their defense is sound...

If by sound they mean blantantly awful?  Then I would agree with them.  It is a SHAME Fisher could not run on this team.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:29:03 PM
Wow, 48-35 , 25 seconds left.  

Im gonna listen to that game when this boring game gets over...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 22, 2008, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 22, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
Dude, I kinda want to listen to the Husson guys, but I have no interest in that game.  You know they are sitting in the booth with a huge doober, a box of Auntie Em's brownie's, and a space heater in their booth.

where is the broadcast link?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: 'gro on November 22, 2008, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 22, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
Dude, I kinda want to listen to the Husson guys, but I have no interest in that game.  You know they are sitting in the booth with a huge doober, a box of Auntie Em's brownie's, and a space heater in their booth.

where is the broadcast link?


whtk.com
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:29:03 PM
Wow, 48-35 , 25 seconds left.  

Im gonna listen to that game when this boring game gets over...

It's FINALLY Halftime:

Hartwick 48
Brockport 35

It's like neither team's defense prepared for the other team's strengths at all...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:33:57 PM
we missed more plays again--sweet lord
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:33:57 PM
we missed more plays again--sweet lord

Im sure this switch to Hammell has done wonders for Bailey's confidence...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:36:45 PM
really- that wouldnt bother anybody :P ???
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:37:34 PM
ice away?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:38:02 PM
Curry is about to hand IC a loss up with 32seconds left...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:38:40 PM
wow ic really- not good
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:40:53 PM
FA keep me updated, im switching to the Wick-Port game...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:41:16 PM
will do upstate
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:42:36 PM
husson starts at their own 40 desperation time for them
40 sec left
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:43:32 PM
3rd down and something- no ideas about time or yardline
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:45:10 PM
4th and 15 last chance for husson
no idea bout time
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 02:46:03 PM
thats it-
fisher takes over on downs
game over
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:50:35 PM
God, I wish the Wick-Port game was in Port so I can see this basketball football game...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 02:50:35 PM
God, I wish the Wick-Port game was in Port so I can see this basketball football game...

How do I pick the game up?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 02:50:35 PM
God, I wish the Wick-Port game was in Port so I can see this basketball football game...

How do I pick the game up?


google 89.1 the point
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:52:53 PM
Lynch needs 71yds rushing in the 2nd half to break the NCAA D-3 game rushing record...

He's got over 370 right now...

He might as well get 71yds on the next drive...

I'd give him 50 carries today if I was Port...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:54:18 PM
Congratulations to St. John Fisher ~ ECAC Northeast Champs.   It says a lot about a program who lost a chance to get to the NCAAs and win the E8 with blocked PAT at the end of the game and having to get up and travel 10-12 hours to Maine to play a 7-2 Husson team not knowing anything about them and play in terrible conditions and beat them.    I know a lot of Fisher fans are upset with the overall ending to the season, but this one has to feel good on many, many levels.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:54:18 PM
Congratulations to St. John Fisher ~ ECAC Northeast Champs.   It says a lot about a program who lost a chance to get to the NCAAs and win the E8 with blocked PAT at the end of the game and having to get up and travel 10-12 hours to Maine to play a 7-2 Husson team not knowing anything about them and play in terrible conditions and beat them.    I know a lot of Fisher fans are upset with the overall ending to the season, but this one has to feel good on many, many levels.

I'd be feeling alot better if Bailey was in there throwing it around and making plays but it sounds like he's the 2nd coming of Nich Suchyna and will likely be replaced next year after more early season struggles...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:57:14 PM
Keep updating if you can!  I'm going to be at work for a bit and not be able to listen!  Thanks.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 02:57:14 PM
Keep updating if you can!  I'm going to be at work for a bit and not be able to listen!  Thanks.

Werd...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:02:05 PM
1 play Port already on Wicks 39...

3rd and 4 coming up...

Penalty...

3rd and 9 coming up...

Penalty...

3rd and 14 coming up...

not a great sequence...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:03:21 PM
Port sacked...

Punt coming up...

Wick takes over at own 23yd line...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:04:43 PM
Boltus has 75 yds rushing on the day...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:08:57 PM
Team Boltus throws another TD...

5 TD's for Boltus on the day...

10:00 left...

55-35 in the 3rd...

DONT STOP RUNNING THE BALL PORT!!!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 22, 2008, 03:10:56 PM
I'm glad Cortland will never line up against Team Boltus,  as a team that avged 6 passes a game hit 2 TD passes on us today.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:11:16 PM
Port takes the ensuing KO to the 2yd line...

This is not helping Lynchs cause to break the record...

Lynch walks into the end-zone...

9:41 to go...

55-42...

5tds 371 on the day for Lynch...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 22, 2008, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: E8 on November 22, 2008, 02:54:18 PM
Congratulations to St. John Fisher ~ ECAC Northeast Champs.   It says a lot about a program who lost a chance to get to the NCAAs and win the E8 with blocked PAT at the end of the game and having to get up and travel 10-12 hours to Maine to play a 7-2 Husson team not knowing anything about them and play in terrible conditions and beat them.    I know a lot of Fisher fans are upset with the overall ending to the season, but this one has to feel good on many, many levels.

CARDINALS!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:12:06 PM
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on November 22, 2008, 03:10:56 PM
I'm glad Cortland will never line up against Team Boltus,  as a team that avged 6 passes a game hit 2 TD passes on us today.

Yeah Team Boltus could do some damage vs SUNY Juicehead2.0
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:33:16 PM
17 seconds left in 3rd...

62-49 Wick...

This is just crazy...

Team Boltus sacked to end the 3rd...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:36:07 PM
Boltus shanked the punt...

Port takes over at their own 42....

Lynch is slowly closing in on the all time mark...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2008, 03:39:21 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 03:33:16 PM
17 seconds left in 3rd...

62-49 Wick...

This is just crazy...

Team Boltus sacked to end the 3rd...

Boltus is just an animal! Whatever happens here congrats on a great career and I wish him so much luck in the future! He is a fantastic football player!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:40:18 PM
4th down and 3 from Wicks 21 yd line for Port...

12:20 left...

Completed pass inside the 15 yd line..
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:40:48 PM
TD port...

62-56...

Unreal...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2008, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 03:40:48 PM
TD port...

62-56...

Unreal...

This game doesn't stop! Upstate are you there?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:42:47 PM
No im listening to it on Brockports student radio station...

Wick takes the KO to midfield...

Seems like Ports D is tightening down...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:43:28 PM
Boltus runs for a first down...

He's got to have close to 100yds rushing today...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:44:58 PM
BOLTUS PICKED OFF!!!

Port takes over in Wick territory!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:46:46 PM
9:31 left in the game...

1st and 10 on Wicks 40...

Lynch inside the Wick 25yd line...

First down on the 24 yd line...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:47:46 PM
Port first down at the Wick 14 yd line...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:48:26 PM
Ports QB runs it to the 1 yd line...

1st down and goal to go...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 22, 2008, 03:48:46 PM
Can't get that link opened  ???  There we go.   BPort takes the lead!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:49:42 PM
Lynch in for the TD...

7th TD today!!!

Tied game...

EP coming up...

EP is good...

62-63 Port...

Plenty of time left...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 03:50:30 PM
This could break the utica-Hartwick score! lol
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:52:01 PM
Wick has 1st and 10 from Ports 48...

Draws are killing Port so far today...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:52:40 PM
6:10 left...

2nd and 8...

FUMBLE!!!

PORT PICKED UP AND IN FOR THE TD!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 22, 2008, 03:53:10 PM
Could this score get mention on ESPN?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:53:37 PM
60yd fumble recovery...

27 unanswered points for Port...

70-62 w/ 5:52 left...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 03:54:32 PM
Anyone who said Hartwick had even an OK defense was sorrily mistaken
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:56:39 PM
Boltus driving Wick inside Port 40yd line...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:58:29 PM
4:05 left in the game...

2nd and 5...

Boltus runs for the first...

Kid is nasty, if he had a defense they'd be undefeated...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 03:59:50 PM
TD pass from Boltus...

Wick going to go for 2 w/ 3:00 left...

70-68...

2pt conversion intercepted...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2008, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 22, 2008, 03:58:29 PM
4:05 left in the game...

2nd and 5...

Boltus runs for the first...

Kid is nasty, if he had a defense they'd be undefeated...

Listening now as well, he is simply nasty!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:02:45 PM
Onside kick is recovered by Port...

Ball on 40yd line...

3:00 still remaining...

Both teams with all time outs...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:04:35 PM
1:45 left....

Penalty on Port for holding...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:06:25 PM
Lynch seems to be done for today, he's on the sidelines with a coat on...

he has 40 carries, 429yds and 7 tds on the day finishing just 12 yards away from the D-3 record...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:10:06 PM
3rd and 9 wick 22 yd line....

inside 20 but thats about it...

4th and 7 Wick has no time outs...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:12:41 PM
4th and 7 from Wick 20...

Port going for it...

under 1:00 to go...

incomplete pass but flag on the play...

Offensive pass interference...

wierd...

Wick takes over...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 04:13:29 PM
This isn't good. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:13:48 PM
Wick drive start at the 20 yd line...

35 seconds to work with...

NO time outs left for wick...

70-68...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:15:50 PM
Boltus sacked!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:16:24 PM
5 seconds left hail mary pass incomplete...

Port wins!!!

LONG LIVE TEAM BOLTUS!!!!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 22, 2008, 04:17:24 PM
man am i not gonna miss that guy--good luck in the nfl combines bud-----sheesh good riddance
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 04:18:24 PM
Wow-- Good way to end the season for Brockport -- a fun game and a win on the road at an E8 opponent's house. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 04:20:58 PM
By the way, to the E8... I'm so SO sorry you guys had to deal with him!!  He sounds like such a talent...  I can understand why they won so many games.  Without him, the team goes 3-7...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 04:22:40 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2008, 04:20:58 PM
By the way, to the E8... I'm so SO sorry you guys had to deal with him!!  He sounds like such a talent...  I can understand why they won so many games.  Without him, the team goes 3-7...

Kid is the strongest guy on the team too, i dont know if it means that much considering they're all 5'10" 200lb dwarfs, but still he's a talent!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: clandfan on November 22, 2008, 05:46:25 PM
Great career.  Good luck to Boltus.  Have followed him since high school.  Congrats Bport!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: bports on November 22, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
Lynch was dehydrated at the half from what i heard. Great win on the road for the port and a very good season. Ever since they  put that frosh receiver in the starting lineup about 4 games ago the offense really looked great. I think his name is tamere shannon from buffalo.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 22, 2008, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: bports on November 22, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
Lynch was dehydrated at the half from what i heard. Great win on the road for the port and a very good season. Ever since they  put that frosh receiver in the starting lineup about 4 games ago the offense really looked great. I think his name is tamere shannon from buffalo.

Thats a shame, I would have liked to see him get that record today.  The way Wick was playing D he could have gotten that 12 yards walking on his hands...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 22, 2008, 10:29:33 PM
Here are my thoughts on today's North Atlantic Bowl.  It was the type of game that both teams deserved to win, yet they both tried to give it away.  A whole world of "if only" scenarios were provided in this one.  It came down to which team could make the plays when they needed to.  Alfred couldn't pick up that fumble on 3rd and goal, committed the pass interference on 4th and goal from the 26 and got picked off with 2 1/2 left.  RPI converted for the TD when they got a second life and picked off Secky when the Saxons were trying to rally.  But it was an enjoyable game to watch with many momentum swings and a few lead changes.  All in all it was a great trip for me (though a win would obviously have made it better) and I'm truly glad to have made it to '86 Field and been part of its final football moments.

Having seen most of the Alfred games this year and a number of Fisher/Ithaca games online, I honestly think there was very little differentiation between Alfred, Fisher, Ithaca and RPI (I didn't see Wick live, so I can't include them from a first-person perspective).  My sense is that the East was filled will a lot of good to very good teams that match up evenly.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 22, 2008, 10:32:56 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 22, 2008, 10:29:33 PM
Here are my thoughts on today's North Atlantic Bowl.  It was the type of game that both teams deserved to win, yet they both tried to give it away.  A whole world of "if only" scenarios were provided in this one.  It came down to which team could make the plays when they needed to.  Alfred couldn't pick up that fumble on 3rd and goal, committed the pass interference on 4th and goal from the 26 and got picked off with 2 1/2 left.  RPI converted for the TD when they got a second life and picked off Secky when the Saxons were trying to rally.  But it was an enjoyable game to watch with many momentum swings and a few lead changes.  All in all it was a great trip for me (though a win would obviously have made it better) and I'm truly glad to have made it to '86 Field and been part of its final football moments.

Having seen most of the Alfred games this year and a number of Fisher/Ithaca games online, I honestly think there was very little differentiation between Alfred, Fisher, Ithaca and RPI (I didn't see Wick live, so I can't include them from a first-person perspective).  My sense is that the East was filled will a lot of good to very good teams that match up evenly.

+K
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 23, 2008, 09:16:42 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 22, 2008, 10:29:33 PM
Here are my thoughts on today's North Atlantic Bowl.  It was the type of game that both teams deserved to win, yet they both tried to give it away.  A whole world of "if only" scenarios were provided in this one.  It came down to which team could make the plays when they needed to.  Alfred couldn't pick up that fumble on 3rd and goal, committed the pass interference on 4th and goal from the 26 and got picked off with 2 1/2 left.  RPI converted for the TD when they got a second life and picked off Secky when the Saxons were trying to rally.  But it was an enjoyable game to watch with many momentum swings and a few lead changes.  All in all it was a great trip for me (though a win would obviously have made it better) and I'm truly glad to have made it to '86 Field and been part of its final football moments.

Having seen most of the Alfred games this year and a number of Fisher/Ithaca games online, I honestly think there was very little differentiation between Alfred, Fisher, Ithaca and RPI (I didn't see Wick live, so I can't include them from a first-person perspective).  My sense is that the East was filled will a lot of good to very good teams that match up evenly.

I heard on the WRPI broadcast that our pep band left after halftime, thats unacceptable in my opinion... Let the battle of the bands read:

Alfred: 1
RPI: 0

I think the guy with the bass drum was literally sitting next to Kurt.  And I noticed that Alfred's fight song (which I heard often) is similar, at least in the beginning to RPI's.  Alfred is a tough team and I knew they would give RPI problems. As an RPI fan it's good to see them regroup and finish off the year with a win.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 23, 2008, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: 'gro on November 23, 2008, 09:16:42 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 22, 2008, 10:29:33 PM
Here are my thoughts on today's North Atlantic Bowl.  It was the type of game that both teams deserved to win, yet they both tried to give it away.  A whole world of "if only" scenarios were provided in this one.  It came down to which team could make the plays when they needed to.  Alfred couldn't pick up that fumble on 3rd and goal, committed the pass interference on 4th and goal from the 26 and got picked off with 2 1/2 left.  RPI converted for the TD when they got a second life and picked off Secky when the Saxons were trying to rally.  But it was an enjoyable game to watch with many momentum swings and a few lead changes.  All in all it was a great trip for me (though a win would obviously have made it better) and I'm truly glad to have made it to '86 Field and been part of its final football moments.

Having seen most of the Alfred games this year and a number of Fisher/Ithaca games online, I honestly think there was very little differentiation between Alfred, Fisher, Ithaca and RPI (I didn't see Wick live, so I can't include them from a first-person perspective).  My sense is that the East was filled will a lot of good to very good teams that match up evenly.

I heard on the WRPI broadcast that our pep band left after halftime, thats unacceptable in my opinion... Let the battle of the bands read:

Alfred: 1
RPI: 0

I think the guy with the bass drum was literally sitting next to Kurt.  And I noticed that Alfred's fight song (which I heard often) is similar, at least in the beginning to RPI's.  Alfred is a tough team and I knew they would give RPI problems. As an RPI fan it's good to see them regroup and finish off the year with a win.

the "guy w/ the bass drum" is AUPep, of PP fame!!!!

and BTW ....TERRIBLE turnout in the endzone yesterday for FB alum. There were about 7 of us....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 24, 2008, 12:02:56 PM
Ha ha! Pep is such a talented, diversified musician...if the percussion is a no-show, he plays bass drum. Pep can also play wood block, cowbell and kazoo!

Kaz00 did a great job trying to carry the AU fight song melody with his kazoo, amplified with his blue horn. Tough getting a band to travel five hours when most members have concerts Friday night and Saturday evening back in Mayberry. Were lucky to have four of us!

Pep was disappointed that the RPI band left. Pep wanted to mingle after the game, but not to be. Not the first time a four-piece AU Pep Band hours from Mayberry took down the hometown band. In 2007, a mighty 50-piece military marching band at Norwich was so outplayed by AU's two trumpets, trombone and bass drum that they also retreated at halftime and went into hiding.

At Hartwick this year, the AU Pep Band had ONLY its percussion section. While filing out after the game, a Hartwick fan said to us, "We loved your drums!" And, during the game, we could not even hear the 25+ piece Hartwick band!

Pep understands it wasn't the "Shoes" Game, but, despite the cold, it wasn't a large crowd but Pep thought AU was nicely supported.

And, kudos to the RPI staffers whom Pep spoke with on the phone. Very helpful, hospitable and professional. Best of luck to all things RPI. Let's not wait another 35 years to meet on the gridiron again.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: union89 on November 24, 2008, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 24, 2008, 12:02:56 PM
Ha ha! Pep is such a talented, diversified musician...if the percussion is a no-show, he plays bass drum. Pep can also play wood block, cowbell and kazoo!

Kaz00 did a great job trying to carry the AU fight song melody with his kazoo, amplified with his blue horn. Tough getting a band to travel five hours when most members have concerts Friday night and Saturday evening back in Mayberry. Were lucky to have four of us!

Pep was disappointed that the RPI band left. Pep wanted to mingle after the game, but not to be. Not the first time a four-piece AU Pep Band hours from Mayberry took down the hometown band. In 2007, a mighty 50-piece military marching band at Norwich was so outplayed by AU's two trumpets, trombone and bass drum that they also retreated at halftime and went into hiding.

At Hartwick this year, the AU Pep Band had ONLY its percussion section. While filing out after the game, a Hartwick fan said to us, "We loved your drums!" And, during the game, we could not even hear the 25+ piece Hartwick band!

Pep understands it wasn't the "Shoes" Game, but, despite the cold, it wasn't a large crowd but Pep thought AU was nicely supported.

And, kudos to the RPI staffers whom Pep spoke with on the phone. Very helpful, hospitable and professional. Best of luck to all things RPI. Let's not wait another 35 years to meet on the gridiron again.



Now that's commitment.....+1
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 15, 2009, 09:55:57 PM
Here's the 2009 ECAC Bowl line-up:


ECAC Northeast Bowl: Plymouth State (8-2) at Springfield (7-2) 

ECAC North Atlantic Bowl: Hartwick (5-4) at Union (7-3)

ECAC Northwest Bowl: Cortland State (7-3) at St. John Fisher (6-3)

ECAC Southeast Bowl: Ursinus (6-4) at Kean (8-2)

ECAC South Atlantic Bowl: Wilkes (6-4) at Franklin and Marshall (8-2)

ECAC Southwest Bowl: Salisbury (5-5) at Lebanon Valley (8-2)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Doid23 on November 15, 2009, 10:28:11 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 15, 2009, 09:55:57 PM
Here's the 2009 ECAC Bowl line-up:


ECAC Northeast Bowl: Plymouth State (8-2) at Springfield (7-2) 

ECAC North Atlantic Bowl: Hartwick (5-4) at Union (7-3)

ECAC Northwest Bowl: Cortland State (7-3) at St. John Fisher (6-3)

ECAC Southeast Bowl: Ursinus (6-4) at Kean (8-2)

ECAC South Atlantic Bowl: Wilkes (6-4) at Franklin and Marshall (8-2)

ECAC Southwest Bowl: Salisbury (5-5) at Lebanon Valley (8-2)


Wow, that's a weak slate of games. I certainly understand that they were looking at geographic pairings, but UColl playing Hartwick does nothing for me. Would have enjoyed UColl playing Cortland, SJF, or Kean. Like I said, I understand how they arrived at the pairings, but disappointed.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pumkinattack on November 15, 2009, 10:29:34 PM
Yeah I was hoping for SJF-Union too. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 'gro on November 16, 2009, 11:32:52 AM
Shoulda been:

Hartwick/P-state

Cortland/Springfield

SJF/Union

(would have liked Cortland/Unon but that would have left a conference rematch with SJF/SC)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 21, 2009, 12:38:27 PM
Note:  The Hartwick-Union ECAC North Atlantic Championship game will be on WABY (1160AM Mechanicville) beginning at 12:45pm (start time adjusted to aide Hartwick's travel).  The WABY Internet feed may not initially be available due to a station problem.  Please use http://teamline.cc (Team Code: 1160) for today's broadcast if you have any troubles.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 21, 2009, 03:49:03 PM
Big win for SJF, bitter loss for Cortland.  Takes a lot of heart to pull off 21 straight points to seal the win.  Too many shoulda, woulda, coulda's for us Dragon fans with 4 consecutive trips inside the Fisher 30 ending with 3 turnovers and a turnover on downs.  Congrats SJF and hopefully the injury bug won't bite as hard next year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: footballfan75 on November 14, 2010, 08:49:18 PM
Ok Frank Rossi,

You said you would release the ECAC games and who was going to play in them between 8-8:30... Was this just a way to actually have people listen into your podcast?

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 14, 2010, 09:21:16 PM
4 North ECAC Bowls

1 North Atl - 1 Springfield hosting 8 Mt. Ida
2 Northwest - 2 SJF hosting 7 RPI
3 Northeast - 3 Norwich hosting 6 Framingham St
4 North Central - 4 W New England hosting 5 MME

3 South ECAC Bowls

1 Southwest -- 1 W&J hosting 6 F&M
2 South Atlantic -- 2 Johns Hopkins hosting 4 Leb Val
3 Southeast -- 3 Wilkes hosting 5 Moravian
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 15, 2010, 11:16:58 AM
Speaking of ECAC games, I think the NESCAC should declare themselves eligible for the ECAC games.  That way they would only be obligated for 1 extra game, they don't have to play after Thanksgiving, some outside conferences might get a crack at them, and it would reward one or 2 good NESCAC teams for having a good year in their conference.  I don't think 1 extra game for 1 or 2 teams would completely ruin their studies.  Might be fun!

Plus a few extra teams in the mix might make the ECAC game a little more meaningful. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: union89 on November 15, 2010, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: No Longer Negative LD11 on November 15, 2010, 11:16:58 AM
Speaking of ECAC games, I think the NESCAC should declare themselves eligible for the ECAC games.  That way they would only be obligated for 1 extra game, they don't have to play after Thanksgiving, some outside conferences might get a crack at them, and it would reward one or 2 good NESCAC teams for having a good year in their conference.  I don't think 1 extra game for 1 or 2 teams would completely ruin their studies.  Might be fun!

Plus a few extra teams in the mix might make the ECAC game a little more meaningful. 


Good point....I have no interest at all in ECAC games.  The NESCAC would at least spice it up a bit.....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: labart96 on November 15, 2010, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: footballfan75 on November 14, 2010, 08:49:18 PM
Ok Frank Rossi,

You said you would release the ECAC games and who was going to play in them between 8-8:30... Was this just a way to actually have people listen into your podcast?



Actually the Solomen appearance probably trumped the ECAC piece.  We did have about 100 live listeners last night so at least a few fans were interested in the show.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: BoSox0322 on November 17, 2010, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: No Longer Negative LD11 on November 15, 2010, 11:16:58 AM
Speaking of ECAC games, I think the NESCAC should declare themselves eligible for the ECAC games.  That way they would only be obligated for 1 extra game, they don't have to play after Thanksgiving, some outside conferences might get a crack at them, and it would reward one or 2 good NESCAC teams for having a good year in their conference.  I don't think 1 extra game for 1 or 2 teams would completely ruin their studies.  Might be fun!

Plus a few extra teams in the mix might make the ECAC game a little more meaningful. 

I think thats a great idea...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 17, 2010, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: BoSox0322 on November 17, 2010, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: No Longer Negative LD11 on November 15, 2010, 11:16:58 AM
Speaking of ECAC games, I think the NESCAC should declare themselves eligible for the ECAC games.  That way they would only be obligated for 1 extra game, they don't have to play after Thanksgiving, some outside conferences might get a crack at them, and it would reward one or 2 good NESCAC teams for having a good year in their conference.  I don't think 1 extra game for 1 or 2 teams would completely ruin their studies.  Might be fun!

Plus a few extra teams in the mix might make the ECAC game a little more meaningful. 

I think thats a great idea...

dlip does as well but then there wouldn't be time for afternoon tea.  ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: maxpower on November 20, 2010, 12:05:02 PM
So no one ever really answered my question about this: Why are the ECACs bowls set up so that #1 plays #8, 2 plays 7, etc. In a one-round, bowl system, shouldn't it be #1 v. #2, #3 v. #4, etc., so that we get the best games?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 20, 2010, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: maxpower on November 20, 2010, 12:05:02 PM
So no one ever really answered my question about this: Why are the ECACs bowls set up so that #1 plays #8, 2 plays 7, etc. In a one-round, bowl system, shouldn't it be #1 v. #2, #3 v. #4, etc., so that we get the best games?

Of course it would, but that might actually make the ECAC's worth watching, and lord knows we can't do anything to them to make them more watchable
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: BoSox0322 on November 20, 2010, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: maxpower on November 20, 2010, 12:05:02 PM
So no one ever really answered my question about this: Why are the ECACs bowls set up so that #1 plays #8, 2 plays 7, etc. In a one-round, bowl system, shouldn't it be #1 v. #2, #3 v. #4, etc., so that we get the best games?

Or they could  make it a little tourney... like the NIT
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2010, 07:52:24 PM
Actually, NCAA rules prohibit making it a tournament. You get only one week for non-NCAA playoff postseason games.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: drt on November 22, 2010, 09:59:36 PM
Typical NCAA myopia....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 04, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Is it too early (or irrelevant) to try and look at ECAC declared teams?  I'm not sure how rigid the bids are, so I'm going to assume that Cortland would get paired in the North and Salisbury or Gallaudet in the South if they receive bids even though they are declared in the opposite based on their conferences.  Other than that, it seems reasonable that there would be 4 North bowls and 3 South bowls (* next to teams that can still make NCAAs).

North
TeamRecord
*Hobart6-0
*Endicott8-1
*St. John Fisher7-1
Worcester State7-2
*Cortland State6-2
Bridgewater State6-2
*Norwich6-3
Salve Regine6-3
Alfred5-3
Mass-Maritime5-3
Springfield5-3
Utica5-3
Mount Ida4-4
Curry4-5
Plymouth State4-5
RPI3-4

Western New England (7-2) will be ineligible if they lose the NEFC championship since that will be their 11th game, so I didn't include them.

South
TeamRecord
*Delaware Valley8-0
*Widener8-1
*Kean7-1
*Salisbury7-1
*Wesley7-1
Catholic5-3
Gallaudet5-3
Lebanon Valley5-3
Albright5-4
Waynesburg4-3
Saint Vincent4-4
Bethany3-4
Wilkes3-4
William Paterson3-5

Leaving Grove City (2-6) out since I'm pretty sure a winning record is required.

I'll update these standings after tomorrow's results (probably not until Monday), but it seems like the cutoffs would currently be in the middle of the 5-3 teams in the North and after Albright in the South.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 04, 2011, 01:27:35 PM
If Fisher doesn't make into the NCAAs I'd love to see them host an NEFC team...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 04, 2011, 03:36:55 PM
Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SUADC on November 04, 2011, 04:06:52 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 04, 2011, 03:36:55 PM
Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?

They can at least say they didn't have a losing season.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2011, 04:18:54 PM
They can ask Central -- it's definitely not the same.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2011, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 04, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Is it too early (or irrelevant) to try and look at ECAC declared teams?  I'm not sure how rigid the bids are, so I'm going to assume that Cortland would get paired in the North and Salisbury or Gallaudet in the South if they receive bids even though they are declared in the opposite based on their conferences.  Other than that, it seems reasonable that there would be 4 North bowls and 3 South bowls (* next to teams that can still make NCAAs).

North
TeamRecord
*Hobart6-0
*Endicott8-1
*St. John Fisher7-1
Worcester State7-2
*Cortland State6-2
Bridgewater State6-2
*Norwich6-3
Salve Regine6-3
Alfred5-3
Mass-Maritime5-3
Springfield5-3
Utica5-3
Mount Ida4-4
Curry4-5
Plymouth State4-5
RPI3-4

Western New England (7-2) will be ineligible if they lose the NEFC championship since that will be their 11th game, so I didn't include them.

South
TeamRecord
*Delaware Valley8-0
*Widener8-1
*Kean7-1
*Salisbury7-1
*Wesley7-1
Catholic5-3
Gallaudet5-3
Lebanon Valley5-3
Albright5-4
Waynesburg4-3
Saint Vincent4-4
Bethany3-4
Wilkes3-4
William Paterson3-5

Leaving Grove City (2-6) out since I'm pretty sure a winning record is required.

I'll update these standings after tomorrow's results (probably not until Monday), but it seems like the cutoffs would currently be in the middle of the 5-3 teams in the North and after Albright in the South.

Couple things:

1) RPI is still eligible for the NCAAs.  I laid out the scenarios on Sunday in the LLPP.

2) The rule for ECAC eligibility is EITHER a .500 or better record in conference play or overall.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 05, 2011, 09:38:46 AM
I thought I remembered that, then I went and looked at the standings and figured I was thinking it applied to before the Shoes.  If they're still mathematically eligible, I'll give them an asterik on Monday.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 06, 2011, 09:40:04 PM
North
TeamRecord
*Endicott9-1
*Hobart6-1
Worcester State8-2
Bridgewater State7-2
Cortland State7-2
St. John Fisher7-2
Salve Regine7-3
Alfred6-3
Springfield6-3
Mass-Maritime5-4
Mount Ida5-4
Utica5-4
Curry5-5
RPI4-4

Norwich (7-3) has clinched the ECFC AQ; Plymouth State (4-6) lost ending any chance of qualifying for an ECAC bid, so I have removed them from the list.

South
TeamRecord
*Delaware Valley9-0
*Kean8-1
*Wesley8-1
*Widener8-1
Lebanon Valley6-3
Albright6-4
Waynesburg5-3
Catholic5-4
Gallaudet5-4
Saint Vincent5-4
Bethany4-4
Wilkes3-5

Salisbury (8-1) has clinched the E8 AQ; William Paterson (3-6) and Grove City (2-7) lost ending any chance of qualifying for an ECAC bid, so I have removed them from the list.

I'm gonna guess that in the North Endicott will host Bridgewater, Worcester will host Springfield, Fisher will host Salve Regina and Cortland will host the winner of the Alfred/Utica game.

In the South, if Kean beats Montclair and Wesley gets a Pool B or C, the MAC could host all three bowls.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: maxpower on November 08, 2011, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 04, 2011, 03:36:55 PM
Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?


This post is a lot more prescient in hindsight, but yeah, this is one year I could say I might look forward to an IC ECAC game...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 08, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
Looking at the list...I'm a little surprised that Carnegie Mellon didn't put in for an ECAC game, if for no other reason than "we did it back in 2007 when I was there!" with a 6-4 team. 

If they beat CWRU this weekend (admittedly a big if), they'd probably get a look in the South...considering that most of the teams with more than 6 wins are likely playoff participants.  Oh well.

In the North, I'd really like to see some NEFC teams play against LL/E-8 teams in OOC play; (IMHO, that's the only way that some of those teams will ever get better), and perhaps a meeting or two in a bowl game would start that ball rolling.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 09, 2011, 08:19:14 AM
Quote from: maxpower on November 08, 2011, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 04, 2011, 03:36:55 PM
Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?

This post is a lot more prescient in hindsight, but yeah, this is one year I could say I might look forward to an IC ECAC game...

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 08, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
Looking at the list...I'm a little surprised that Carnegie Mellon didn't put in for an ECAC game, if for no other reason than "we did it back in 2007 when I was there!" with a 6-4 team. 

6-4 looks like it may hold up in the South for a bid, but in the North there will likely be no more than one 6-4 team in the top 8.  So, Ithaca would have to hope that a number of teams paid the penalty to pass even to get a shot at 5-5.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 09, 2011, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 09, 2011, 08:19:14 AM
Quote from: maxpower on November 08, 2011, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 04, 2011, 03:36:55 PM
Ithaca didn't declare? How ironic would it be if they went 5-5 and lost out on a chance to extend the winning seasons streak by passing on one?

This post is a lot more prescient in hindsight, but yeah, this is one year I could say I might look forward to an IC ECAC game...

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 08, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
Looking at the list...I'm a little surprised that Carnegie Mellon didn't put in for an ECAC game, if for no other reason than "we did it back in 2007 when I was there!" with a 6-4 team. 

6-4 looks like it may hold up in the South for a bid, but in the North there will likely be no more than one 6-4 team in the top 8.  So, Ithaca would have to hope that a number of teams paid the penalty to pass even to get a shot at 5-5.

You also need to remember that we may be back to three games this year in the East.  Remember that in 2009, there were 4 in the South, 3 in the North.  In 2010, there were 3 in the South, 4 in the North.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SUADC on November 13, 2011, 02:37:44 PM
With there being a lot of talk over who should be in and who shouldn't be in the national playoff bracket. The ECACs should consider a playoff of their own. Similar to the NIT for basketball. If so, I would like to see some good two-loss teams like St. John Fisher and Montclair St. play each other. You could even reward teams from Virgina like W&L and RM or even Huntingdon. I know this scenario is a huge long-shot, but I was just curious.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 13, 2011, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: SUADC on November 13, 2011, 02:37:44 PM
With there being a lot of talk over who should be in and who shouldn't be in the national playoff bracket. The ECACs should consider a playoff of their own. Similar to the NIT for basketball. If so, I would like to see some good two-loss teams like St. John Fisher and Montclair St. play each other. You could even reward teams from Virgina like W&L and RM or even Huntingdon. I know this scenario is a huge long-shot, but I was just curious.

There's some rule saying you can only play at most 11 games if you're not in the NCAAs...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2011, 02:58:54 PM
Agreed -- NCAA Division III rules prohibit this.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 13, 2011, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 13, 2011, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: SUADC on November 13, 2011, 02:37:44 PM
With there being a lot of talk over who should be in and who shouldn't be in the national playoff bracket. The ECACs should consider a playoff of their own. Similar to the NIT for basketball. If so, I would like to see some good two-loss teams like St. John Fisher and Montclair St. play each other. You could even reward teams from Virgina like W&L and RM or even Huntingdon. I know this scenario is a huge long-shot, but I was just curious.

There's some rule saying you can only play at most 11 games if you're not in the NCAAs...

imagine that...another NCAA rule that one can make no sense out of ($$$$$$)?  I mean does the NCAA limit how many games Seton Hall gets in the NIT every year....oh yeah....the TV contracts kinda make some 'rules' go away

If ESPN covered ECAC games....then play, play, play......
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2011, 03:51:32 PM
And in ECAC basketball, you can play a three-game tournament. Football isn't really analagous.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 13, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
I'm sure if the ECAC asked and there was some interest the NCAA might listen.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 13, 2011, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 13, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
I'm sure if the ECAC asked and there was some interest the NCAA might listen.

The games end up costing money -- there's no real interest from the member schools.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Lebanon Valley and St. Vincent announced on Twitter they are playing each other in an ECAC game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 13, 2011, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Lebanon Valley and St. Vincent announced on Twitter they are playing each other in an ECAC game.

Are there any other ECAC match ups out there, yet?  I am curious if Endicott accepted a game...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 13, 2011, 11:59:16 PM
Alfred traveling to Bridgewater State, MA....

http://www.ecacsports.com/championships/2011_Fall_Championships/Football/2011_Football_Bowl_Announ

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 14, 2011, 12:03:35 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 13, 2011, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Lebanon Valley and St. Vincent announced on Twitter they are playing each other in an ECAC game.

Are there any other ECAC match ups out there, yet?  I am curious if Endicott accepted a game...

Endicott will be playing Mt. Ida....
Pep would have liked his Saxons, so long as they're traveling to Massachusetts, to take on the Gulls, but instead, it will be a matchup with the Bears of Bridgewater State. AU spoiled the Bears' unbeaten season back in 1989 at Merrill Field in a 30-27 Saxon win. That was AU tailback Ray Rogers' final game as a Saxon and featured QB Lance Locey.

Pep remembers the Bears had an outstanding QB who also doubled as the team's placekicker and punter. The Saxons finished at 9-2 that season, losing a 35-31 barn-burner against Albany State and a 35-19 loss at Wagner (Staten Island) back when they were D3, having won the national championship in 1987.

On Saxon Warriors!

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2011, 12:55:45 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 14, 2011, 12:03:35 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 13, 2011, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Lebanon Valley and St. Vincent announced on Twitter they are playing each other in an ECAC game.

Are there any other ECAC match ups out there, yet?  I am curious if Endicott accepted a game...

Endicott will be playing Mt. Ida....
Pep would have liked his Saxons, so long as they're traveling to Massachusetts, to take on the Gulls, but instead, it will be a matchup with the Bears of Bridgewater State. AU spoiled the Bears' unbeaten season back in 1989 at Merrill Field in a 30-27 Saxon win. That was AU tailback Ray Rogers' final game as a Saxon and featured QB Lance Locey.

Pep remembers the Bears had an outstanding QB who also doubled as the team's placekicker and punter. The Saxons finished at 9-2 that season, losing a 35-31 barn-burner against Albany State and a 35-19 loss at Wagner (Staten Island) back when they were D3, having won the national championship in 1987.

On Saxon Warriors!

Another game in which Endicott can't prove anything. Not that we can take the results of a postseason exhibition game as gospel, mind you, but still, it would have been nice to see Endicott play up.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2011, 08:26:37 AM
After all is said and done, was Union not eligible for an ECAC game?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: RedDragonFan on November 14, 2011, 08:38:01 AM
Cortland's website announced they are hosting Albright in the Southeast Bowl this weekend.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 08:41:04 AM
So how many matchups are there between NE teams & LL/E8/NJAC teams are there in the ECAC's?

Maybe Frank is on to something where the NE teams are ducking these conferences in regular & post season play.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 14, 2011, 09:22:10 AM
I'm disappointed that Endicott got Mt. Ida.  I am planning on going to the game and would have liked to see a NY/NJ team.  Instead, they get a pop warner team that they will likely beat by 6-7 TDs, and as Pat said, will prove nothing.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 14, 2011, 09:24:49 AM
And is there really a need for 4 NEFC teams in the ECACs?  I remember when getting an ECAC game was something to be proud of.  Now you just seem to need little more than a winning record and a pulse.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 14, 2011, 09:31:49 AM
Yeah, the matchups are less than impressive here.  Does Montclair not do ECAC ?  I may have missed that conversation
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: RedDragonFan on November 14, 2011, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 14, 2011, 09:22:10 AM
I'm disappointed that Endicott got Mt. Ida.  I am planning on going to the game and would have liked to see a NY/NJ team.  Instead, they get a pop warner team that they will likely beat by 6-7 TDs, and as Pat said, will prove nothing.

Agree. Not a knock on Albright but would have enjoyed a Cortland/Endicott game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 14, 2011, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: RedDragonFan on November 14, 2011, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 14, 2011, 09:22:10 AM
I'm disappointed that Endicott got Mt. Ida.  I am planning on going to the game and would have liked to see a NY/NJ team.  Instead, they get a pop warner team that they will likely beat by 6-7 TDs, and as Pat said, will prove nothing.

Agree. Not a knock on Albright but would have enjoyed a Cortland/Endicott game.

That would have made far too much sense.  Imagine how well they would have done when not excited? 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 14, 2011, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: pg04 on November 14, 2011, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: RedDragonFan on November 14, 2011, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 14, 2011, 09:22:10 AM
I'm disappointed that Endicott got Mt. Ida.  I am planning on going to the game and would have liked to see a NY/NJ team.  Instead, they get a pop warner team that they will likely beat by 6-7 TDs, and as Pat said, will prove nothing.

Agree. Not a knock on Albright but would have enjoyed a Cortland/Endicott game.

That would have made far too much sense.  Imagine how well they would have done when not excited?

They honestly finally got it correct about Cortland, though, based on the ECAC rules -- based on conference, Cortland is an ECAC South team.  You can see it in the list of teams that exists somewhere in the ECAC website.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
How about an Endicott/AU game FCOL?

I'd put money on AU beating them by 3 TDs even with Kilcar at QB if they met.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
How about an Endicott/AU game FCOL?

I'd put money on AU beating them by 3 TDs even with Kilcar at QB if they met.

Kilcarr finally found his groove on saterday.  He was hitting receivers long and Alfred has only lost 2 turnovers in the past 3 games.  It would be fun to have seen what Alfred would have looked like if he ran the offense the whole year, but the season is what it was.  Chance for another 8-win season and then hoping that a certain local quarterback decides to matriculate to AU in the fall.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
How about an Endicott/AU game FCOL?

I'd put money on AU beating them by 3 TDs even with Kilcar at QB if they met.

Kilcarr finally found his groove on saterday.  He was hitting receivers long and Alfred has only lost 2 turnovers in the past 3 games.  It would be fun to have seen what Alfred would have looked like if he ran the offense the whole year, but the season is what it was.  Chance for another 8-win season and then hoping that a certain local quarterback decides to matriculate to AU in the fall.

A-State? Hornell? Wellsville?

Spill it!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: saxontad on November 14, 2011, 10:41:41 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
How about an Endicott/AU game FCOL?

I'd put money on AU beating them by 3 TDs even with Kilcar at QB if they met.

Kilcarr finally found his groove on saterday.  He was hitting receivers long and Alfred has only lost 2 turnovers in the past 3 games.  It would be fun to have seen what Alfred would have looked like if he ran the offense the whole year, but the season is what it was.  Chance for another 8-win season and then hoping that a certain local quarterback decides to matriculate to AU in the fall.

If you are talking about the QB east of Alfred that would be stupendous, but from what I have heard from some locals interested in that particular football team (if we're talking of the same one) is that QB is definitely D1 material.  I have not seen him play but that is what I'm told.  It is a wonderful thought though!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: saxontad on November 14, 2011, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
How about an Endicott/AU game FCOL?

I'd put money on AU beating them by 3 TDs even with Kilcar at QB if they met.

Kilcarr finally found his groove on saterday.  He was hitting receivers long and Alfred has only lost 2 turnovers in the past 3 games.  It would be fun to have seen what Alfred would have looked like if he ran the offense the whole year, but the season is what it was.  Chance for another 8-win season and then hoping that a certain local quarterback decides to matriculate to AU in the fall.

A-State? Hornell? Wellsville?

Spill it!

I may be wrong but I don't think we've ever had an A-state footballer come over to AU.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: saxontad on November 14, 2011, 10:41:41 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
How about an Endicott/AU game FCOL?

I'd put money on AU beating them by 3 TDs even with Kilcar at QB if they met.

Kilcarr finally found his groove on saterday.  He was hitting receivers long and Alfred has only lost 2 turnovers in the past 3 games.  It would be fun to have seen what Alfred would have looked like if he ran the offense the whole year, but the season is what it was.  Chance for another 8-win season and then hoping that a certain local quarterback decides to matriculate to AU in the fall.

If you are talking about the QB east of Alfred that would be stupendous, but from what I have heard from some locals interested in that particular football team (if we're talking of the same one) is that QB is definitely D1 material.  I have not seen him play but that is what I'm told.  It is a wonderful thought though!!

We speak of the same individual.  From what I've heard he is certainly interested in going D1, however Secky was ranked to have D1 talent as well so it's not a huge stretch to dream again.  If it comes down to waiting 3 years for a shot at starting at the D1 level or being a 4-year starter at the local D3 school, the playing time could win out.  These are, more likely than not, the last four years of competitive football graduating high schoolers will have.  Here's to hoping he's wearing the purple and gold next year!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 11:57:58 AM
Quote from: saxontad on November 14, 2011, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
How about an Endicott/AU game FCOL?

I'd put money on AU beating them by 3 TDs even with Kilcar at QB if they met.

Kilcarr finally found his groove on saterday.  He was hitting receivers long and Alfred has only lost 2 turnovers in the past 3 games.  It would be fun to have seen what Alfred would have looked like if he ran the offense the whole year, but the season is what it was.  Chance for another 8-win season and then hoping that a certain local quarterback decides to matriculate to AU in the fall.

A-State? Hornell? Wellsville?

Spill it!

I may be wrong but I don't think we've ever had an A-state footballer come over to AU.

It was between AU/SJFC/Brockport/Cortland...

AU just didn't seem interested enough though...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: saxontad on November 14, 2011, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: saxontad on November 14, 2011, 10:41:41 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Timeforachange on November 14, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
How about an Endicott/AU game FCOL?

I'd put money on AU beating them by 3 TDs even with Kilcar at QB if they met.

Kilcarr finally found his groove on saterday.  He was hitting receivers long and Alfred has only lost 2 turnovers in the past 3 games.  It would be fun to have seen what Alfred would have looked like if he ran the offense the whole year, but the season is what it was.  Chance for another 8-win season and then hoping that a certain local quarterback decides to matriculate to AU in the fall.

If you are talking about the QB east of Alfred that would be stupendous, but from what I have heard from some locals interested in that particular football team (if we're talking of the same one) is that QB is definitely D1 material.  I have not seen him play but that is what I'm told.  It is a wonderful thought though!!

We speak of the same individual.  From what I've heard he is certainly interested in going D1, however Secky was ranked to have D1 talent as well so it's not a huge stretch to dream again.  If it comes down to waiting 3 years for a shot at starting at the D1 level or being a 4-year starter at the local D3 school, the playing time could win out.  These are, more likely than not, the last four years of competitive football graduating high schoolers will have.  Here's to hoping he's wearing the purple and gold next year!

Also Kaz, I am delighted that I am not the only AU fan who is already thinking about next season.  Some of my friends think(correctly) that I think about and talk a little too much AU football.  I would be delighted if the QB of whom we spoke stayed close to home.  On Saxon Warriors!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: clandfan on November 14, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
What was the nature of Secky's injury this year?  Was he / is he able to redshirt?  He had a great year last year and was certainly impressive at Cortland.

Programs can certainly recruit and attract local talent.  Case in point with the Pitcher brothers from Cortland.  Dan had a stint with Colgate, it didn't work out and he came back to DIII and stayed local while his younger brother stayed local out of high school and Cortland is glad that they did.

Hope you land the recruit...did I understand the post though that Cortland was in the mix? 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: clandfan on November 14, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
What was the nature of Secky's injury this year?  Was he / is he able to redshirt? 

Unless it happened in practice or something I don't think he was injured, he certainly wasn't injured in the Salisbury game (6th game of season, 2 games beyond the deadline for redshirting) when he was yanked after throwing the ball at a Salisbury defender that ran him out of bounds and was called for unsportsmanlike conduct...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2011, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 14, 2011, 08:26:37 AM
After all is said and done, was Union not eligible for an ECAC game?

Anyone?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: maxpower on November 14, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 14, 2011, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 14, 2011, 08:26:37 AM
After all is said and done, was Union not eligible for an ECAC game?

Anyone?


Here's what Frank said when I asked him:

Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2011, 02:54:08 AM
Quote from: maxpower on November 03, 2011, 11:38:19 PM
OK Frank.... Union has not declared for the ECACs this year. I'm DYING to hear your reasoning.

I actually was part of the discussions regarding this.  Even if the ECAC North subregion were to allow for 4 games, it would be mathematically impossible for Union to make it into the ECACs this year.  There are too many E8, ECFC and NEFC teams with less than four losses -- and the ECACs generally follow a W/L record selection process.  There was no need to create administrative issues, and John Audino is part of the ECAC Committee -- meaning that he would've had to fall off the conference call for the entire time if Union were a candidate.

It's not like when Ithaca had two or three losses and chose not to take a game they would've been entitled to, Max.  Good try, though.  The standings are linked off the front page last time I checked.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: clandfan on November 14, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
What was the nature of Secky's injury this year?  Was he / is he able to redshirt? 

Unless it happened in practice or something I don't think he was injured, he certainly wasn't injured in the Salisbury game (6th game of season, 2 games beyond the deadline for redshirting) when he was yanked after throwing the ball at a Salisbury defender that ran him out of bounds and was called for unsportsmanlike conduct...

So he got benched for the rest of the season? Or did Alfred just say "May as well see what Kilcarr has. He's given us 3 1/2 years, let's give him a shot"?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 16, 2011, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: clandfan on November 14, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
What was the nature of Secky's injury this year?  Was he / is he able to redshirt? 

Unless it happened in practice or something I don't think he was injured, he certainly wasn't injured in the Salisbury game (6th game of season, 2 games beyond the deadline for redshirting) when he was yanked after throwing the ball at a Salisbury defender that ran him out of bounds and was called for unsportsmanlike conduct...

So he got benched for the rest of the season? Or did Alfred just say "May as well see what Kilcarr has. He's given us 3 1/2 years, let's give him a shot"?

Pure speculation but they were just coming off their 2nd conference loss, and were for all intensive purposes out of the AQ, so it's a possibility. Maybe he got hurt in practice? Maybe he sprained his wrist when he threw the ball at the Salisbury defender? Who knows but it's very interesting to see his great career end like this.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 16, 2011, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: clandfan on November 14, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
What was the nature of Secky's injury this year?  Was he / is he able to redshirt?  He had a great year last year and was certainly impressive at Cortland.

Programs can certainly recruit and attract local talent.  Case in point with the Pitcher brothers from Cortland.  Dan had a stint with Colgate, it didn't work out and he came back to DIII and stayed local while his younger brother stayed local out of high school and Cortland is glad that they did.

Hope you land the recruit...did I understand the post though that Cortland was in the mix?

Nope. You didn't. In answer to a post about AU not getting recruits from Alfred State, Upstate (an Alfred State grad) mentioned Cortland as being one of the schools he was considering when he finished his two years at Alfred State. Upstate said AU didn't show a lot of interest. TheOriginalUpstate landed at Fisher.

Always interesting how posts can be so easily misconstrued and taken out of context....when they are misconstrued and taken out of context.  ???

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 16, 2011, 10:44:43 AM
Pep, have you heard anything out of Mayberry about the status of Secky? Injury? Ineffectiveness? Throwing Kilcar a bone?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 16, 2011, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2011, 10:44:43 AM
Pep, have you heard anything out of Mayberry about the status of Secky? Injury? Ineffectiveness? Throwing Kilcar a bone?

Well, while I have no insight into the situation, I can say that when the second string went in against Utica it was Sophomore Joe Enslin who was under center and not Secky (who was in uniform).  I suspect Secky is the backup in case Kilcarr gets injured, but nothing beyond that.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2011, 10:58:27 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2011, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: clandfan on November 14, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
What was the nature of Secky's injury this year?  Was he / is he able to redshirt? 

Unless it happened in practice or something I don't think he was injured, he certainly wasn't injured in the Salisbury game (6th game of season, 2 games beyond the deadline for redshirting) when he was yanked after throwing the ball at a Salisbury defender that ran him out of bounds and was called for unsportsmanlike conduct...

So he got benched for the rest of the season? Or did Alfred just say "May as well see what Kilcarr has. He's given us 3 1/2 years, let's give him a shot"?

Pure speculation but they were just coming off their 2nd conference loss, and were for all intensive purposes out of the AQ, so it's a possibility. Maybe he got hurt in practice? Maybe he sprained his wrist when he threw the ball at the Salisbury defender? Who knows but it's very interesting to see his great career end like this.

Prior to the IC game, I saw Secky give Kilcar a semi-hug from the side as they were coming off the field in warmups, so it seems like he was in good spirits regardless. Says a lot about the kid, but I agree Upstate. To see a career like his ended on the bench is, well, odd.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 16, 2011, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2011, 10:58:27 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2011, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 14, 2011, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: clandfan on November 14, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
What was the nature of Secky's injury this year?  Was he / is he able to redshirt? 

Unless it happened in practice or something I don't think he was injured, he certainly wasn't injured in the Salisbury game (6th game of season, 2 games beyond the deadline for redshirting) when he was yanked after throwing the ball at a Salisbury defender that ran him out of bounds and was called for unsportsmanlike conduct...

So he got benched for the rest of the season? Or did Alfred just say "May as well see what Kilcarr has. He's given us 3 1/2 years, let's give him a shot"?

Pure speculation but they were just coming off their 2nd conference loss, and were for all intensive purposes out of the AQ, so it's a possibility. Maybe he got hurt in practice? Maybe he sprained his wrist when he threw the ball at the Salisbury defender? Who knows but it's very interesting to see his great career end like this.

Prior to the IC game, I saw Secky give Kilcar a semi-hug from the side as they were coming off the field in warmups, so it seems like he was in good spirits regardless. Says a lot about the kid, but I agree Upstate. To see a career like his ended on the bench is, well, odd.

Are you saying Alfredians are odd?!?  We resemble that remark!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:07:02 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked a million times on this thread. But I was wondering what the ECAC's are all about? Looks like there about a half a dozen or so games ECAC games Saturday.

I had no idea DIII football games continued on after the regular season outside of the playoffs.

I think it's pretty cool...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: saxontad on November 18, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:07:02 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked a million times on this thread. But I was wondering what the ECAC's are all about? Looks like there about a half a dozen or so games ECAC games Saturday.

I had no idea DIII football games continued on after the regular season outside of the playoffs.

I think it's pretty cool...

I view the games as rewards to teams that had decent seasons but did not make the playoffs.  Some schools disdain them, but not Alfred.  It's great to get an extra game!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: RedDragonFan on November 18, 2011, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: saxontad on November 18, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:07:02 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked a million times on this thread. But I was wondering what the ECAC's are all about? Looks like there about a half a dozen or so games ECAC games Saturday.

I had no idea DIII football games continued on after the regular season outside of the playoffs.

I think it's pretty cool...

I view the games as rewards to teams that had decent seasons but did not make the playoffs.  Some schools disdain them, but not Alfred.  It's great to get an extra game!!

Cortland does the same.  It's great to have another game and to play a team that you normally wouldn't get to see.  I know the seniors always love one more game too!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: RedDragonFan on November 18, 2011, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: saxontad on November 18, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:07:02 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked a million times on this thread. But I was wondering what the ECAC's are all about? Looks like there about a half a dozen or so games ECAC games Saturday.

I had no idea DIII football games continued on after the regular season outside of the playoffs.

I think it's pretty cool...

I view the games as rewards to teams that had decent seasons but did not make the playoffs.  Some schools disdain them, but not Alfred.  It's great to get an extra game!!

Cortland does the same.  It's great to have another game and to play a team that you normally wouldn't get to see.  I know the seniors always love one more game too!

Is this a tounrment between teams from certain conferences that didn't make the playoffs?

what does ECAC stand for? What conference participate it in?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 18, 2011, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: RedDragonFan on November 18, 2011, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: saxontad on November 18, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:07:02 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked a million times on this thread. But I was wondering what the ECAC's are all about? Looks like there about a half a dozen or so games ECAC games Saturday.

I had no idea DIII football games continued on after the regular season outside of the playoffs.

I think it's pretty cool...

I view the games as rewards to teams that had decent seasons but did not make the playoffs.  Some schools disdain them, but not Alfred.  It's great to get an extra game!!

Cortland does the same.  It's great to have another game and to play a team that you normally wouldn't get to see.  I know the seniors always love one more game too!

Is this a tounrment between teams from certain conferences that didn't make the playoffs?

what does ECAC stand for? What conference participate it in?

The the Eastern College Athletic Conference (http://www.ecac.org/splash/index).  The games are bowls modelled after the innumerable D1 bowls we see around Christmas and New Years.  An extra game for teams with a winning record.  Fun for the fans and the players, though sometimes teams don't show up for the game mentally.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 18, 2011, 03:05:40 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 18, 2011, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: RedDragonFan on November 18, 2011, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: saxontad on November 18, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 02:07:02 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked a million times on this thread. But I was wondering what the ECAC's are all about? Looks like there about a half a dozen or so games ECAC games Saturday.

I had no idea DIII football games continued on after the regular season outside of the playoffs.

I think it's pretty cool...

I view the games as rewards to teams that had decent seasons but did not make the playoffs.  Some schools disdain them, but not Alfred.  It's great to get an extra game!!

Cortland does the same.  It's great to have another game and to play a team that you normally wouldn't get to see.  I know the seniors always love one more game too!

Is this a tounrment between teams from certain conferences that didn't make the playoffs?

what does ECAC stand for? What conference participate it in?

The the Eastern College Athletic Conference (http://www.ecac.org/splash/index).  The games are bowls modelled after the innumerable D1 bowls we see around Christmas and New Years.  An extra game for teams with a winning record.  Fun for the fans and the players, though sometimes teams don't show up for the game mentally.

...Yeh like when your QB gets his head almost taken off on 4th and the season going in at home by an NFL linebacker disguised as a d3 player wearing purple and gold and they are immediately relegated to an after thought ECAC game instead of a second straight trip to the NCAA play-offs...guesses anyone?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Is the ECAC just a make-shift conference consisting of teams that didn't make the playoffs from the E8 and ODAC?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 18, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Is the ECAC just a make-shift conference consisting of teams that didn't make the playoffs from the E8 and ODAC?

what is ODAC, is that different than the UW-WISCONSIN?    ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 18, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Is the ECAC just a make-shift conference consisting of teams that didn't make the playoffs from the E8 and ODAC?

what is ODAC, is that different than the UW-WISCONSIN?    ;)

Ok...after a closer look it looks like a team from the ODAC isn't a part of these ECAC games. But, rather it's just some games consisting of non-playoff teams from the MAC, PAC, NJAC, ECFC, E8 and NEFC...correct?

I first looked at the D3football site, and saw there is no official ECAC conference.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 18, 2011, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 18, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Is the ECAC just a make-shift conference consisting of teams that didn't make the playoffs from the E8 and ODAC?

what is ODAC, is that different than the UW-WISCONSIN?    ;)

Ok...after a closer look it looks like a team from the ODAC isn't a part of these ECAC games. But, rather it's just some games consisting of non-playoff teams from the MAC, PAC, NJAC, ECFC, E8 and NEFC...correct?

I first looked at the D3football site, and saw there is no official ECAC conference.

Think of it as the NIT...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2011, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 18, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Is the ECAC just a make-shift conference consisting of teams that didn't make the playoffs from the E8 and ODAC?

what is ODAC, is that different than the UW-WISCONSIN?    ;)

Ok...after a closer look it looks like a team from the ODAC isn't a part of these ECAC games. But, rather it's just some games consisting of non-playoff teams from the MAC, PAC, NJAC, ECFC, E8 and NEFC...correct?

I first looked at the D3football site, and saw there is no official ECAC conference.

Think of it as the NIT...

I think I understand now....much appreciated
+K
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 18, 2011, 04:14:24 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 18, 2011, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 18, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Is the ECAC just a make-shift conference consisting of teams that didn't make the playoffs from the E8 and ODAC?

what is ODAC, is that different than the UW-WISCONSIN?    ;)

Ok...after a closer look it looks like a team from the ODAC isn't a part of these ECAC games. But, rather it's just some games consisting of non-playoff teams from the MAC, PAC, NJAC, ECFC, E8 and NEFC...correct?

I first looked at the D3football site, and saw there is no official ECAC conference.

Think of it as the NIT...

I think I understand now....much appreciated
+K

The ECAC is much more than a D3 version of the NIT. For full information, go to ecac.org.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: HSCTiger74 on November 18, 2011, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: SJFF82 on November 18, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Is the ECAC just a make-shift conference consisting of teams that didn't make the playoffs from the E8 and ODAC?

what is ODAC, is that different than the UW-WISCONSIN?    ;)

Old Dominion Athletic Conference, with 12 (soon to be 13) schools in Va. and one in NC, plus one football associate in DC. Clearly not part of any ECAC discussion.   ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2011, 08:24:26 PM
Catholic is ECAC eligible. They played in a game not too long ago.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 19, 2011, 01:02:55 AM
Pep about to board the Saxon Express for Bridgewater, MA.....On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 19, 2011, 02:29:27 PM
Cortland beats Albright in the Southeast Bowl. Final score was 14-0. Congrats on the 9-2 season.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on October 27, 2012, 09:13:30 PM
Calling it now, Brockport @ Fisher in an ECAC matchup...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on October 27, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
If Brockport can win its final 2 games, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 28, 2012, 04:59:29 PM
I know Ithaca doesn't like to play in ECAC games (Much to the ire of Frank) but I would really like to see the Bombers put in for one this season if they qualify. This is a team that is going to lose its two main (only) offensive weapons next season, and I think giving the players another game to get more experience couldn't hurt.

I still hate the concept of the games, but hey, if they're there, might as well take advantage
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: rams1102 on October 30, 2012, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: pg04 on October 27, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
If Brockport can win its final 2 games, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

If you guys don't win your last (2) games you should be tarred and feathered.  ::)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on October 30, 2012, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on October 30, 2012, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: pg04 on October 27, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
If Brockport can win its final 2 games, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

If you guys don't win your last (2) games you should be tarred and feathered.  ::)

Not me, but maybe the team :). I still think they have a good chance of losing on the road again.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 12:01:56 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 10/30/12) (Including Cortland State as a North Team Despite South Designation)
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Hobart College 8-0 (5-0)*
Framingham State University 8-1 (7-0)**
Salve Regina University 8-1 (6-1)**
SUNY Cortland 7-1 (7-0)***
Bridgewater State University 8-1 (6-1)
Endicott College 7-2 (5-2)
Utica College 6-2 (4-1)
Castleton State College 6-2 (5-0)
Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-2 (3-2)
RPI 5-2 (3-2)
Worcester State University 6-3 (4-3)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-3 (4-2)
MIT 5-3 (4-3)
Springfield College 5-3 (3-2)
Ithaca College 5-3 (3-3)
Alfred University 4-3 (3-2)
Curry College 5-4 (5-2)
Western New England University 5-4 (4-3)
Buffalo State College 5-4 (3-3)

* - Leads Liberty League (Likely Winner and Would Not Play ECAC)
** - Both Teams Lead Their Respective NEFC Divisions and Would Not Play ECAC (11-Game Rule)
*** - Clinched NJAC and Not Eligible for ECAC
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 08:02:06 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 12:01:56 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 10/30/12) (Including Cortland State as a North Team Despite South Designation)


Ithaca College 5-3 (3-3)


That's just crazy talk. Ithaca's way to arrogant to play in the ECAC's. ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on October 31, 2012, 08:59:05 AM
Is it me or are there more teams raising their hands this season than in year's past?  Not sure re other leagues but it looks like at least the LL has a potential ECAC "elimination game" between RPI and Springfield Saturday.  Only six spots in the "east bowls", right?  Not a lot of room for three loss teams.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 31, 2012, 09:29:19 AM
I'm hoping for an Ithaca at Framingham State ECAC bowl now.

Unless it is possible for the rest of the E8 to implode and see IC get a playoff birth.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 08:02:06 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 12:01:56 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 10/30/12) (Including Cortland State as a North Team Despite South Designation)


Ithaca College 5-3 (3-3)


That's just crazy talk. Ithaca's way to arrogant to play in the ECAC's. ;)

They were the last team listed and weren't there on Saturday -- guessing the school is rewarding the team after the major shock vs. Salisbury.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SUADC on October 31, 2012, 10:38:37 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 31, 2012, 09:29:19 AM
I'm hoping for an Ithaca at Framingham State ECAC bowl now.

Unless it is possible for the rest of the E8 to implode and see IC get a playoff birth.

More like Bridgewater St.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 08:02:06 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 12:01:56 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 10/30/12) (Including Cortland State as a North Team Despite South Designation)


Ithaca College 5-3 (3-3)


That's just crazy talk. Ithaca's way to arrogant to play in the ECAC's. ;)

They were the last team listed and weren't there on Saturday -- guessing the school is rewarding the team after the major shock vs. Salisbury.

What are the rules regarding the minimum record required to be eligible? Do you have to be .500 overall and in conference? One of the two?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 31, 2012, 09:29:19 AM
I'm hoping for an Ithaca at Framingham State ECAC bowl now.

Unless it is possible for the rest of the E8 to implode and see IC get a playoff birth.

Sadly, Utica or Salisbury are guaranteed five wins in conference, so it's ECAC or bust for the Bombers
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SUADC on October 31, 2012, 11:07:17 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 31, 2012, 09:29:19 AM
I'm hoping for an Ithaca at Framingham State ECAC bowl now.

Unless it is possible for the rest of the E8 to implode and see IC get a playoff birth.

Sadly, Utica or Salisbury are guaranteed five wins in conference, so it's ECAC or bust for the Bombers

I believe Ithaca deserves an extra game, other than the game at Alfred, Ithaca could easily be 7-1 right now. The question would be, do they get a home game?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on October 31, 2012, 11:32:13 AM
Apparently there won't be Fisher vs. Brockport. I wonder why Brockport has not applied? Unless I missed them on my numerous scans of the list.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 12:51:34 PM
Quote from: SUADC on October 31, 2012, 11:07:17 AM

I believe Ithaca deserves an extra game, other than the game at Alfred, Ithaca could easily be 7-1 right now. The question would be, do they get a home game?

It's interesting with Ithaca, but I've never been a fan of "They could be..." because usually, that cuts both ways. If Union gets off a punt snap in Week 2, IC probably loses that game. What happens if your Gulls aren't flagged for "roughing" the kicker at the one yard line leading to the first? Barring a team going 7-3 with losses to Mount, MHB, and Wesley, I prefer to think like Bill Parcells: "You are your record"

I'd like to see the Bombers play one, but it's always a wild card as to how a team reacts to an ECAC game (one of the reasons I typically don't like them). This is especially true for Ithaca, since they're coming off their rivalry game. I have seen teams just lay flat out eggs in ECAC games. One that always sticks with me is Cortland in 2006. They're 9-1, ranked 14th in D3 by our esteemed voters, with their only loss a 14-7 setback at Rowan (ranked 13th), and they get left out of the NCAAs. They go up against a decent, but hardly great RPI team and lose, at home, 26-7, turning the ball over 7 times in the process.

Yes, they were on their 17th string quarterback at the time, but that's a game the Red Dragons shouldn't have lost. I've heard many IC players had no desire to play an ECAC game in 1999, which ended badly for them

I would like to think everyone gives 100% all the time, but I've seen teams come out an go through the motions. Of course I've also seen really ****ed off Bomber teams obliterate opponents in 1998 and 2004. I still feel for that 1998 Hartwick team, who had no clue what they were walking into and had absolutely no shot to win that game. Just brutal
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 31, 2012, 08:02:06 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 31, 2012, 12:01:56 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 10/30/12) (Including Cortland State as a North Team Despite South Designation)


Ithaca College 5-3 (3-3)


That's just crazy talk. Ithaca's way to arrogant to play in the ECAC's. ;)

They were the last team listed and weren't there on Saturday -- guessing the school is rewarding the team after the major shock vs. Salisbury.

What are the rules regarding the minimum record required to be eligible? Do you have to be .500 overall and in conference? One of the two?

.500 or better in either overall or conference record.  Two years ago, a fourth game was added when the nominations were oversubscribed in 2010, but not offered in 2011.  That said, even with four games, it's highly unlikely any 4-loss team will garner consideration barring a complete breakdown over the next two weeks across the subregion.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 03, 2012, 09:52:36 AM
Quick note:

Add Hartwick and Mount Ida (the only school not willing to host) to the list.

Subtract Framingham State (withdrawn).

I'll reflect the changes later tonight when I update the list.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2012, 11:58:18 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 11/4/12)**
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***Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Castleton State College 7-2 (6-0)
*Mount Ida 7-2 (5-1)
*Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-3 (3-3)
Utica College 6-3 (4-2)
Springfield College 6-3 (4-2)
Ithaca College 6-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 5-3 (4-2)
RPI 5-3 (3-3)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-4 (4-3)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)

* - Head-to-Head Winner Next Week to NCAAs
** - Hartwick Cannot Reach .500 (Excluded from List), And All AQs Removed
*** - Serious Pool C Bid Contender
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bengalsrule on November 04, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2012, 11:58:18 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 11/4/12)**
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***Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Castleton State College 7-2 (6-0)
*Mount Ida 7-2 (5-1)
*Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-3 (3-3)
Utica College 6-3 (4-2)
Springfield College 6-3 (4-2)
Ithaca College 6-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 5-3 (4-2)
RPI 5-3 (3-3)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-4 (4-3)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)

* - Head-to-Head Winner Next Week to NCAAs
** - Hartwick Cannot Reach .500 (Excluded from List), And All AQs Removed
*** - Serious Pool C Bid Contender

Frank, I'm a D3 football newbie. How many teams get a ECAC (north?) bid? When do those bids come out?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2012, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: Bengalsrule on November 04, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2012, 11:58:18 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 11/4/12)**
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***Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Castleton State College 7-2 (6-0)
*Mount Ida 7-2 (5-1)
*Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-3 (3-3)
Utica College 6-3 (4-2)
Springfield College 6-3 (4-2)
Ithaca College 6-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 5-3 (4-2)
RPI 5-3 (3-3)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-4 (4-3)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)

* - Head-to-Head Winner Next Week to NCAAs
** - Hartwick Cannot Reach .500 (Excluded from List), And All AQs Removed
*** - Serious Pool C Bid Contender

Frank, I'm a D3 football newbie. How many teams get a ECAC (north?) bid? When do those bids come out?

There are a guaranteed three games per region (so six bids guaranteed in the North).  That said, in 2010, four games were awarded to the North, while in 2009, four were awarded to the South -- both years, this was based on the large number of schools interested in playing.  This pool of teams is about the same size as we saw in 2010 for the North, so don't be surprised if four games get awarded to the North again (eight bids).  The teams are seeded 1 through 6 (or 1 through 8) and matched up as 1/6 (or 1/8), 2/5 (or 2/7), etc.

Only Mt. Ida signed up but refused a home game.  So, except for that possibility, the better seed hosts.  The games will be announced usually on Sunday night of Selection Weekend (next Sunday) since the bids can't be determined until at-large teams for the NCAA Playoffs are known.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: mattvsmith on November 04, 2012, 03:28:20 PM
Frank, do you know the rationale for signing up but refusing a home game? Sounds odd to me. Wouldn't a school want to have the game at home to generate excitement and revenue? Or do D3 games cost the schools more than they bring in?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2012, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: Rt Rev J.H. Hobart on November 04, 2012, 03:28:20 PM
Frank, do you know the rationale for signing up but refusing a home game? Sounds odd to me. Wouldn't a school want to have the game at home to generate excitement and revenue? Or do D3 games cost the schools more than they bring in?

Some schools are on break, making the scenario tough in terms of having the staffing to host.  In the case of NCAAs, there is a minimal level of facilities threshold that some schools can't meet -- the ECACs have a lower threshold, but this would still be possible.  If I remember correctly back when Curry visited SJF in the Second Round years ago (I called the game for D3football.com), I ran into parents from Curry at a Thruway Rest Stop who told me the students had to vacate campus upon their return since the school was on break already.  This might be more common in the New England schools still.  Long story short, there are a few reasons that could cause this -- and I can't really pinpoint what the specifics are in this case without knowing more about Mt. Ida.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bengalsrule on November 04, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2012, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: Bengalsrule on November 04, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2012, 11:58:18 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams (As of 11/4/12)**
------------
***Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Castleton State College 7-2 (6-0)
*Mount Ida 7-2 (5-1)
*Norwich University 6-2 (3-2)
St. John Fisher College 6-3 (3-3)
Utica College 6-3 (4-2)
Springfield College 6-3 (4-2)
Ithaca College 6-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 5-3 (4-2)
RPI 5-3 (3-3)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
Massachusetts Maritime 5-4 (4-3)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)

* - Head-to-Head Winner Next Week to NCAAs
** - Hartwick Cannot Reach .500 (Excluded from List), And All AQs Removed
*** - Serious Pool C Bid Contender

Frank, I'm a D3 football newbie. How many teams get a ECAC (north?) bid? When do those bids come out?

There are a guaranteed three games per region (so six bids guaranteed in the North).  That said, in 2010, four games were awarded to the North, while in 2009, four were awarded to the South -- both years, this was based on the large number of schools interested in playing.  This pool of teams is about the same size as we saw in 2010 for the North, so don't be surprised if four games get awarded to the North again (eight bids).  The teams are seeded 1 through 6 (or 1 through 8) and matched up as 1/6 (or 1/8), 2/5 (or 2/7), etc.

Only Mt. Ida signed up but refused a home game.  So, except for that possibility, the better seed hosts.  The games will be announced usually on Sunday night of Selection Weekend (next Sunday) since the bids can't be determined until at-large teams for the NCAA Playoffs are known.

Thanks Frank!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 06, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
Couple interesting notes/changes:

1) Ithaca is now listed as not willing to host a game (still would play, but not host);

2) Brockport is listed in the South Region like Cortland.  However, the Committee has generally played Cortland in the North during their NJAC tenure.  As such, add Brockport at 5-4 (3-4) to the nominated teams in the North based on historical approach;

3) Mass. Maritime has withdrawn from consideration at 5-4 (4-3).
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 06, 2012, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 06, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
Couple interesting notes/changes:

1) Ithaca is now listed as not willing to host a game (still would play, but not host);


I know IC's Thanksgiving break starts that day. Attendance at IC games is always spotty at best, and with most students gone, that doesn't surprise me that Ithaca wouldn't want to play in an empty stadium.

Do most colleges get the full week off for Thanksgiving break? If so, that's yet another reason these bowl games are (usually) worthless.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 06, 2012, 03:04:20 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 06, 2012, 01:57:49 PM
Do most colleges get the full week off for Thanksgiving break? If so, that's yet another reason these bowl games are (usually) worthless.

Most schools take Wednesday through Friday off to complete a full week of classes off with the complementing mini-break of a Monday and Tuesday in early October.  Ithaca is more of the exception to Thanksgiving breaks.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 06, 2012, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 06, 2012, 03:04:20 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 06, 2012, 01:57:49 PM
Do most colleges get the full week off for Thanksgiving break? If so, that's yet another reason these bowl games are (usually) worthless.

Most schools take Wednesday through Friday off to complete a full week of classes off with the complementing mini-break of a Monday and Tuesday in early October.  Ithaca is more of the exception to Thanksgiving breaks.

Thought so. I know Ithaca got to the point years ago where there was a vicious cycle of students not showing up for class to extend their break, professors started not seeing the point in having the classes, and it sort of just turned into "Screw it. Take the week"

This is part of the reason I think  IC teams bail on ECACs. Remember, these are 18-21 year old kids, for whom football may not be the center of the world. If they're sitting there thinking, "Man, it's been a long season, everyone's going to be home anyway, I just kind of want to go on break rather than stick around and play another game," who can blame them? And if they think that, why should a coach insist they play? That's how you get kids who have checked out mentally.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fulbakdad on November 06, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
A couple years ago we went to the Springfield/Mount Ida ECAC game and was very surprised to find half empty stands.  Of the 3 games we went to watch that year it was the least attended game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 07, 2012, 07:20:14 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2012, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: Rt Rev J.H. Hobart on November 04, 2012, 03:28:20 PM
Frank, do you know the rationale for signing up but refusing a home game? Sounds odd to me. Wouldn't a school want to have the game at home to generate excitement and revenue? Or do D3 games cost the schools more than they bring in?

Some schools are on break, making the scenario tough in terms of having the staffing to host.  In the case of NCAAs, there is a minimal level of facilities threshold that some schools can't meet -- the ECACs have a lower threshold, but this would still be possible.  If I remember correctly back when Curry visited SJF in the Second Round years ago (I called the game for D3football.com), I ran into parents from Curry at a Thruway Rest Stop who told me the students had to vacate campus upon their return since the school was on break already.  This might be more common in the New England schools still.  Long story short, there are a few reasons that could cause this -- and I can't really pinpoint what the specifics are in this case without knowing more about Mt. Ida.

Yea I'm betting it has more to do with the staffing. 

Mt. Ida is a closed campus with one entrance that has a security guard at the gate who talks to every car that comes in.  I would assume that during break the staff at the school goes to their minimum level with no students, and yes, students are forced off campus during breaks at Mt. Ida.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 11, 2012, 07:17:41 AM
Okay, while most of the thoughts now are on the NCAA brackets, Pep is playing around with pairings for ECAC Bowl Games, with a glut of bowl-eligible teams to consider. Pep is NOT going so much by overall records as by each team's finish in its respective conferences because, quite frankly, that's the only way Pep can justify his Saxons getting another home game for 2012!

Based on the fact there are SO MANY eligible teams, let's assume the ECAC will arrange for FOUR bowl games. They could be as follows:

Buffalo State (6-4) at Springfield (7-3)
Castleton State (7-3) at Alfred (6-3)
Ithaca (6-4) at Bridgewater State (9-1)
St. John Fisher (7-3) at Endicott (8-2)

Now were it for Pep to decide, he'd throw in a fifth ECAC bowl game, just because there are so many teams in the mix and really deserving of a post-season bowl game.
Utica (6-4) at Norwich (7-2)

On Saxon Warriors!

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 11, 2012, 09:05:43 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams
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Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1)
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Norwich University 7-2 (4-2)
Castleton State College 7-3 (6-1)
Springfield College 7-3 (5-2)
St. John Fisher College 7-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 6-3 (5-2)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Utica College 6-4 (4-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Ithaca College 6-4 (4-4)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)
RPI 5-4 (3-4)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 11, 2012, 07:35:58 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 11, 2012, 09:05:43 AM
Currently Declared ECAC North Teams
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Bridgewater State University 9-1 (7-1) NCAA one-round bound
Endicott College 8-2 (6-2)
Norwich University 7-2 (4-2)
Castleton State College 7-3 (6-1)
Springfield College 7-3 (5-2)
St. John Fisher College 7-3 (4-3)
Alfred University 6-3 (5-2)
Curry College 6-4 (6-2)
Western New England University 6-4 (5-3)
Utica College 6-4 (4-3)
Buffalo State College 6-4 (4-3)
Ithaca College 6-4 (4-4)
Worcester State University 6-4 (4-4)
MIT 5-4 (4-4)
RPI 5-4 (3-4)

Pep would like another home game for the Saxons, please?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 11, 2012, 08:53:53 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 11, 2012, 07:17:41 AM
Okay, while most of the thoughts now are on the NCAA brackets, Pep is playing around with pairings for ECAC Bowl Games, with a glut of bowl-eligible teams to consider. Pep is NOT going so much by overall records as by each team's finish in its respective conferences because, quite frankly, that's the only way Pep can justify his Saxons getting another home game for 2012!

Based on the fact there are SO MANY eligible teams, let's assume the ECAC will arrange for FOUR bowl games. They could be as follows:

Buffalo State (6-4) at Springfield (7-3)
Castleton State (7-3) at Alfred (6-3)
Ithaca (6-4) at Bridgewater State (9-1) Norwich (7-2)
St. John Fisher (7-3) at Endicott (8-2)

On Saxon Warriors!

Anyone hear anything about ECACs yet?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 11, 2012, 09:53:54 PM
I thought they came out on Monday...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 11, 2012, 10:25:06 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 11, 2012, 09:53:54 PM
I thought they came out on Monday...

Pep saw somewhere that the committee may meet Sunday night. In looking at ECAC website, it appears the committee meets "either Sunday night or Monday morning" with the selections to be posted on the ECAC website by 5 p.m. Monday.

Should the committee NOT add a fourth game, Pep is thinking (hoping) that the following are selected as contestants in the three bowl games:
Endicott (8-2)
Springfield (7-3)
Alfred (6-3)
Norwich (7-2)
St. John Fisher (7-3)
Castleton State (7-3)

with the following likely to join the fray in the event a fourth bowl game is added:
Buffalo State (6-4)
Ithaca (6-4)
Utica (6-4)
Western New England (6-4)
Curry (6-4)
Worcester State (6-4)

Guess Pep will just have to sleep on it..... >:(
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: @d3jason on November 11, 2012, 10:35:42 PM
They are meeting tonight. They couldn't do anything until the NCAA bracket was revealed which we know wasn't until 6 pm. Think Muhlenberg is on that list too.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 11, 2012, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on November 11, 2012, 10:35:42 PM
They are meeting tonight. They couldn't do anything until the NCAA bracket was revealed which we know wasn't until 6 pm. Think Muhlenberg is on that list too.

Muhlenberg would be on the list for ECAC South bowl games.
Pep listed only the teams in contention for the North bowl games.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: @d3jason on November 11, 2012, 10:40:37 PM
Ahh... My bad. I do know that they met tonight however
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 12, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Fisher set to host Castleton St on Sat!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 12, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 12, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Fisher set to host Castleton St on Sat!!!

At least we get another game to watch. I like Fisher's chances in the game from a quick look at Castleton State's web page. Obviously more analysis is necessary, but so far I like Fisher in this one.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SUADC on November 12, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on November 12, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 12, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Fisher set to host Castleton St on Sat!!!

At least we get another game to watch. I like Fisher's chances in the game from a quick look at Castleton State's web page. Obviously more analysis is necessary, but so far I like Fisher in this one.

Yes, Castleton State is not the same without their star quarterback, if that kid was their, it would have been Mount Ida.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 12, 2012, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: SUADC on November 12, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on November 12, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 12, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Fisher set to host Castleton St on Sat!!!

At least we get another game to watch. I like Fisher's chances in the game from a quick look at Castleton State's web page. Obviously more analysis is necessary, but so far I like Fisher in this one.

Yes, Castleton State is not the same without their star quarterback, if that kid was their, it would have been Mount Ida.

Fisher is going to monkey stomp Castleton and by this dlip means monkey stomp them. No offense to CS, dlip likes them and rooted for them all season. Union scrimmaged them this year. Their QB was good but honestly to dlip, the back-up (Freshman) actually looked better to dlip. The kid is poised and calm. Neither could do anything against Union but CS played very hard and dlip was impressed with their effort. They are a program going in the right direction from where they are. SO dlip's point is it doesn't matter which QB was/is there, Mount Ida most likely would have won IDHO and SJF is going to roll them. dlip hopes that it is a competitive injury free game though and is happy for Castleton that they are awarded the opportunity to play a higher level east region team like SJF.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 12, 2012, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 12, 2012, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: SUADC on November 12, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on November 12, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 12, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Fisher set to host Castleton St on Sat!!!

At least we get another game to watch. I like Fisher's chances in the game from a quick look at Castleton State's web page. Obviously more analysis is necessary, but so far I like Fisher in this one.

Yes, Castleton State is not the same without their star quarterback, if that kid was their, it would have been Mount Ida.

Fisher is going to monkey stomp Castleton and by this dlip means monkey stomp them. No offense to CS, dlip likes them and rooted for them all season. Union scrimmaged them this year. Their QB was good but honestly to dlip, the back-up (Freshman) actually looked better to dlip. The kid is poised and calm. Neither could do anything against Union but CS played very hard and dlip was impressed with their effort. They are a program going in the right direction from where they are. SO dlip's point is it doesn't matter which QB was/is there, Mount Ida most likely would have won IDHO and SJF is going to roll them. dlip hopes that it is a competitive injury free game though and is happy for Castleton that they are awarded the opportunity to play a higher level east region team like SJF.

I'm not completely sold that this will be a complete blowout.  It might be, but to say Fisher underperformed this year would be an understatement.  Castleton St has traditionally been very poor, so they will likely be very 'up' for the game, and depending on which Fisher teams shows up, the spread could be anywhere from -10 to + 45.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 12, 2012, 11:44:51 AM
It's likely that Castleton will be more "enthusiastic" about being able to play this game. However, I don't see a team that was crushed by Mt. Ida scoring too much. Gives Kramer another chance to run up his stats against a poor team (Sorry, couldn't resist -- no offense meant  :P).
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 12, 2012, 12:43:57 PM
Do we know any of the other games?  Just see one or 2 trickling in. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: SJFF82 on November 12, 2012, 12:49:34 PM


Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 12, 2012, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 12, 2012, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: SUADC on November 12, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on November 12, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 12, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Fisher set to host Castleton St on Sat!!!

At least we get another game to watch. I like Fisher's chances in the game from a quick look at Castleton State's web page. Obviously more analysis is necessary, but so far I like Fisher in this one.

Yes, Castleton State is not the same without their star quarterback, if that kid was their, it would have been Mount Ida.

Fisher is going to monkey stomp Castleton and by this dlip means monkey stomp them. No offense to CS, dlip likes them and rooted for them all season. Union scrimmaged them this year. Their QB was good but honestly to dlip, the back-up (Freshman) actually looked better to dlip. The kid is poised and calm. Neither could do anything against Union but CS played very hard and dlip was impressed with their effort. They are a program going in the right direction from where they are. SO dlip's point is it doesn't matter which QB was/is there, Mount Ida most likely would have won IDHO and SJF is going to roll them. dlip hopes that it is a competitive injury free game though and is happy for Castleton that they are awarded the opportunity to play a higher level east region team like SJF.

I'm not completely sold that this will be a complete blowout.  It might be, but to say Fisher underperformed this year would be an understatement.  Castleton St has traditionally been very poor, so they will likely be very 'up' for the game, and depending on which Fisher teams shows up, the spread could be anywhere from -10 to + 45.

If the Fisher Basketball team shows up we are in trouble, Football team and we win by 30pts
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 12, 2012, 12:54:38 PM
Here is a link to ECAC sports where thegames are listed:

http://www.ecacsports.com/championships/2012-13_Fall_Championships/Football/2012_Football_CShip_Central

Games:

North West


Castleton State College at St. John Fisher College, TBA


North East

Alfred University at Springfield College, 12:00pm


North Atlantic

Norwich University at Endicott College, 1:00pm


South West

Carnegie Mellon University at Waynesburg University, TBA

South East

Albright College at Franklin & Marshall College, TBA

South Atlantic


Delaware Valley College at Muhlenberg, TBA
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 12, 2012, 01:01:13 PM
dlip agrees with what you guys are saying regarding the potential SJF does not get up for the game. dlip means no offense AT ALL towards Castleton State here but if SJF loses this game it will be very embarassing IDHO for the Cardinals program. This is a game SJF should win big in dlip's opinion and because the match-up is seemingly so one sided pride should play a huge role in getting "up" for the game. A loss would represent a HUGE fall from their #9 ranking earlier in the season.

Now if Castleton State were to win it would be great for their entire program. Like dlip said he really enjoyed the Union/Castleton scrimmage, the Castleton fans he talked to, and the effort the Castleton State players put forth. Hence dlip was rooting for them (and Norwich because of a friend's nephew) to take the ECFC title.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 12, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Gracias.  Was hoping for a better game at Endicott.  Norwich...blah.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gobengals1990 on November 12, 2012, 01:02:34 PM
Unfortunate there couldn't be a fourth bowl for a possible Buffalo State game but when you lose three in a row in the middle of the season it shouldn't be expected.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wesleydad on November 12, 2012, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 12, 2012, 12:54:38 PM
Here is a link to ECAC sports where thegames are listed:

http://www.ecacsports.com/championships/2012-13_Fall_Championships/Football/2012_Football_CShip_Central

Games:

North West


Castleton State College at St. John Fisher College, TBA


North East

Alfred University at Springfield College, 12:00pm


North Atlantic

Norwich University at Endicott College, 1:00pm


South West

Carnegie Mellon University at Waynesburg University, TBA

South East

Albright College at Franklin & Marshall College, TBA

South Atlantic


Delaware Valley College at Muhlenberg, TBA

the south games look to be real competitive.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2012, 03:05:47 PM
Did Lycoming have no interest in an ECAC game with an 8-2 record?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 12, 2012, 05:00:47 PM
Lycoming isn't a member of ECAC so it isn't eligible.

http://www.ecac.org/membership/division_III/index

Same goes for Gettysburg (7-3).
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bengalsrule on November 13, 2012, 02:09:55 AM
Congrats to St John Fisher and Alfred U. for getting invites. I have no doubt that they will do the E8 proud!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 14, 2012, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

It's about the record. The others have 3 losses. And even if there was a 4 loss team, there would be Buff State and Ithaca on the table.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2012, 05:09:20 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

No I think Utica got boned pretty good their last two games.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 14, 2012, 06:46:20 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Do I think Utica is worse then Castleton?  No way...

But when you lose by 40 to Salisbury and 35 to Fisher (and even that is not a true indication of how bad they got beat in that game as they were down 55-7 in the 4th) to end the season, you don't really make yourself a strong contender for a bid.

I think what hurts Utica is that when they get beat...they really get beat.  They don't lose close games like, say, Fisher did this year (who lost their 3 games by 11, 13, and 8 points).  When Utica loses, they get buried.  In their four losses, UC got beat by 19, 18, 40, and 35 points...and in two of those games UC scored a garbage TD with less than 3 minutes to go to give the appearance that the games were even closer.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 14, 2012, 07:29:32 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Nope...

Utica is 6-4 and just let the worst Fisher offense since 2001 score 55 points in 3 quarters...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 14, 2012, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 14, 2012, 06:46:20 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Do I think Utica is worse then Castleton?  No way...

But when you lose by 40 to Salisbury and 35 to Fisher (and even that is not a true indication of how bad they got beat in that game as they were down 55-7 in the 4th) to end the season, you don't really make yourself a strong contender for a bid.

I think what hurts Utica is that when they get beat...they really get beat.  They don't lose close games like, say, Fisher did this year (who lost their 3 games by 11, 13, and 8 points).  When Utica loses, they get buried.  In their four losses, UC got beat by 19, 18, 40, and 35 points...and in two of those games UC scored a garbage TD with less than 3 minutes to go to give the appearance that the games were even closer.

The past few years it seems as if Utica gets everyone excited and then simply ****s the bed when it counts. Their defense just couldn't do enough when it mattered to help the O. ****, the O couldn't really do enough when it mattered either. You can beat poor teams all you want but until you can beat the top teams you aren't going to be taken very seriously. Honestly, Utica pisses dlip off because of their continued wasted potential. They always show flashes of brilliance only to take a giant deuce in a dirty public toilet (without covering the seat) towards the end of the season. A real waste fro a talent like Benkwitt. Kid needs a team around him.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: mattvsmith on November 14, 2012, 09:55:04 AM
Preach it, Brother Dlip!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 14, 2012, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 14, 2012, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 14, 2012, 06:46:20 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Do I think Utica is worse then Castleton?  No way...

But when you lose by 40 to Salisbury and 35 to Fisher (and even that is not a true indication of how bad they got beat in that game as they were down 55-7 in the 4th) to end the season, you don't really make yourself a strong contender for a bid.

I think what hurts Utica is that when they get beat...they really get beat.  They don't lose close games like, say, Fisher did this year (who lost their 3 games by 11, 13, and 8 points).  When Utica loses, they get buried.  In their four losses, UC got beat by 19, 18, 40, and 35 points...and in two of those games UC scored a garbage TD with less than 3 minutes to go to give the appearance that the games were even closer.

The past few years it seems as if Utica gets everyone excited and then simply ****s the bed when it counts. Their defense just couldn't do enough when it mattered to help the O. ****, the O couldn't really do enough when it mattered either. You can beat poor teams all you want but until you can beat the top teams you aren't going to be taken very seriously. Honestly, Utica pisses dlip off because of their continued wasted potential. They always show flashes of brilliance only to take a giant deuce in a dirty public toilet (without covering the seat) towards the end of the season. A real waste fro a talent like Benkwitt. Kid needs a team around him.

I agree with you Dlip, 100%.  I think UC wasted a lot of potential.  I have no idea who their QB is going to be in the future as Benkwitt is graduating this year, but they better hope he is at least as good, or they could be in some real trouble.

I think that they thought this was the year that they were really going to make some noise in the conference...and it just didn't happen.  I mean, 4-3 is nice I guess...but the reality is that they are probably still considered only the 6th best team in the E8.

Benkwitt was a good player...and the last two years he had certainly had some offensive weapons around him...but I am not sure how good he really is, in terms of where he ranks up against other E8 QB's of the past 10 years or so.  Maybe Top 10-15?  Maybe scratching the surface of the Top 10?  The stats tell me he should be up there...I mean, he did throw for over 10,000+ yards and over 80 TD's for his career.  He did lead UC to a 20-20 overall record the past four years.  The one stat through that bothers me though is the 6-18 record against E8 opponents (with a 14-2 record against non-conference opponents).  Was that all on him?  No...but there were certain games where he disappeared as well.  Would I ever put him in the same conversation with the likes of Boltus, Keeley, Sharpe, Bailey, Kramer (Rob), and several IC QB's?  Probably not...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2012, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: pg04 on November 14, 2012, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

It's about the record. The others have 3 losses. And even if there was a 4 loss team, there would be Buff State and Ithaca on the table.

Exactly.  Even Alfred who finished second in the E8, but had one less win (game) is travelling to Springfield while Fisher has a home game, so it certainly seems to be record-driven.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 14, 2012, 10:42:33 AM
Is Dlip planning to take the trip to Utica next season for U Bowl III?  They would like you to award the new trophy -- something about a dirty public toilet bowl without a seat.  Not sure where they'll engrave the winner's name...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 14, 2012, 10:56:57 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 14, 2012, 07:29:32 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Nope...

Utica is 6-4 and just let the worst Fisher offense since 2001 score 55 points in 3 quarters...

I think UC is at least as good as some of the teams playing in ECACs this weekend, but I figured the Fisher/UC game was a play in game for both teams, with the loser not getting a bid. They really didn't do anything in that game to make me think UC was deserving of an ECAC bid.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 14, 2012, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 14, 2012, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 14, 2012, 06:46:20 AM
Quote from: drt on November 13, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
Anyone think Utica is boned here?
Worse than Castleton?
Maybe ECAC doesn't want to seem too E8 centric.

Do I think Utica is worse then Castleton?  No way...

But when you lose by 40 to Salisbury and 35 to Fisher (and even that is not a true indication of how bad they got beat in that game as they were down 55-7 in the 4th) to end the season, you don't really make yourself a strong contender for a bid.

I think what hurts Utica is that when they get beat...they really get beat.  They don't lose close games like, say, Fisher did this year (who lost their 3 games by 11, 13, and 8 points).  When Utica loses, they get buried.  In their four losses, UC got beat by 19, 18, 40, and 35 points...and in two of those games UC scored a garbage TD with less than 3 minutes to go to give the appearance that the games were even closer.

The past few years it seems as if Utica gets everyone excited and then simply ****s the bed when it counts. Their defense just couldn't do enough when it mattered to help the O. ****, the O couldn't really do enough when it mattered either. You can beat poor teams all you want but until you can beat the top teams you aren't going to be taken very seriously. Honestly, Utica pisses dlip off because of their continued wasted potential. They always show flashes of brilliance only to take a giant deuce in a dirty public toilet (without covering the seat) towards the end of the season. A real waste fro a talent like Benkwitt. Kid needs a team around him.

Hey now, be careful what you say about Pep's Saxons...
Pep was certainly expecting the Moose to be fearless against Fisher in, like what Upstate said, a "play-in game" but instead appeared to come out a bit flat.
Pep is wondering whether that long trip to Salisbury the week before had something to do with it?
A trip to the East Coast and playing a game against Sea Gulls certainly can take the wind out of one's sails.

On Saxon Warriors!


Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: kate on November 15, 2012, 09:35:31 AM
Super good luck to our Aggies on Saturday as they take on the Muhlenberg Mules in Allentown at noon.   We'll be in Maryland at the McDaniel Tip-Off with Widener & the lady Aggies & company, but we'll be thinking about Del Val football!   End the season with a win, Men!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 15, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 14, 2012, 10:16:50 AM

Benkwitt was a good player...and the last two years he had certainly had some offensive weapons around him...but I am not sure how good he really is, in terms of where he ranks up against other E8 QB's of the past 10 years or so.  Maybe Top 10-15?  Maybe scratching the surface of the Top 10?  The stats tell me he should be up there...I mean, he did throw for over 10,000+ yards and over 80 TD's for his career.  He did lead UC to a 20-20 overall record the past four years.  The one stat through that bothers me though is the 6-18 record against E8 opponents (with a 14-2 record against non-conference opponents).  Was that all on him?  No...but there were certain games where he disappeared as well.  Would I ever put him in the same conversation with the likes of Boltus, Keeley, Sharpe, Bailey, Kramer (Rob), and several IC QB's?  Probably not...

Come on. Our guys don't even get names? Weak.

Benkwitt = Boltus lite.

Seriously, tell me these last two Utica teams weren't like Team Boltus, just not at the level with the QB/Top WRs.

In their last 20 games, Utica's defense has allowed 40+ points ten times and the offense has scored 40+ seven times. Let's look at some of Team Boltus's scores from 2007 and 2008:

48-21 (L), 46-36 (L), 42-21 (L), 72-70 (W), 61-32 (W), 63-37 (W), 69-42 (L), 58-27 (W), 45-31 (L), 70-68 (L)

I'm not saying Benkwitt is as good as Boltus (Who was the 2nd best QB in the E8 the last 10 years—that's right, I said it) and Utica never had a WR in the same class as Phelan, which is why they never quite got there, but still. No two teams have done this quite like the Wick and Utica. But still, there are some striking similarities. I say we call Utica Team Benkwitt from now on
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 15, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 15, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 14, 2012, 10:16:50 AM

Benkwitt was a good player...and the last two years he had certainly had some offensive weapons around him...but I am not sure how good he really is, in terms of where he ranks up against other E8 QB's of the past 10 years or so.  Maybe Top 10-15?  Maybe scratching the surface of the Top 10?  The stats tell me he should be up there...I mean, he did throw for over 10,000+ yards and over 80 TD's for his career.  He did lead UC to a 20-20 overall record the past four years.  The one stat through that bothers me though is the 6-18 record against E8 opponents (with a 14-2 record against non-conference opponents).  Was that all on him?  No...but there were certain games where he disappeared as well.  Would I ever put him in the same conversation with the likes of Boltus, Keeley, Sharpe, Bailey, Kramer (Rob), and several IC QB's?  Probably not...

Come on. Our guys don't even get names? Weak.

Benkwitt = Boltus lite.

Seriously, tell me these last two Utica teams weren't like Team Boltus, just not at the level with the QB/Top WRs.

In their last 20 games, Utica's defense has allowed 40+ points ten times and the offense has scored 40+ seven times. Let's look at some of Team Boltus's scores from 2007 and 2008:

48-21 (L), 46-36 (L), 42-21 (L), 72-70 (W), 61-32 (W), 63-37 (W), 69-42 (L), 58-27 (W), 45-31 (L), 70-68 (L)

I'm not saying Benkwitt is as good as Boltus (Who was the 2nd best QB in the E8 the last 10 years—that's right, I said it) and Utica never had a WR in the same class as Phelan, which is why they never quite got there, but still. No two teams have done this quite like the Wick and Utica. But still, there are some striking similarities. I say we call Utica Team Benkwitt from now on

Personally, I thought that Fellicetti, BY, O'Donovan, and Juvan were all just as good, or better than Benkwitt.

Boltus the 2nd best QB in the E8?  Whatever you are smoking...puff, puff, pass my friend!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 15, 2012, 02:42:04 PM
At least to dlip Benkwitt is quite good BUT dlip hasn't really see enough of him to go any further than that. He has impressed dlip a ton in the past two years against Union and his numbers are solid. To dlio, he is good BUT not even in Jason Boltus league. Boltus and Phelan made Wick relevant playing 2 vs. 11. Don't know if dlip has seen much better than that in person on this level.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 15, 2012, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 15, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 15, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 14, 2012, 10:16:50 AM

Benkwitt was a good player...and the last two years he had certainly had some offensive weapons around him...but I am not sure how good he really is, in terms of where he ranks up against other E8 QB's of the past 10 years or so.  Maybe Top 10-15?  Maybe scratching the surface of the Top 10?  The stats tell me he should be up there...I mean, he did throw for over 10,000+ yards and over 80 TD's for his career.  He did lead UC to a 20-20 overall record the past four years.  The one stat through that bothers me though is the 6-18 record against E8 opponents (with a 14-2 record against non-conference opponents).  Was that all on him?  No...but there were certain games where he disappeared as well.  Would I ever put him in the same conversation with the likes of Boltus, Keeley, Sharpe, Bailey, Kramer (Rob), and several IC QB's?  Probably not...

Come on. Our guys don't even get names? Weak.

Benkwitt = Boltus lite.

Seriously, tell me these last two Utica teams weren't like Team Boltus, just not at the level with the QB/Top WRs.

In their last 20 games, Utica's defense has allowed 40+ points ten times and the offense has scored 40+ seven times. Let's look at some of Team Boltus's scores from 2007 and 2008:

48-21 (L), 46-36 (L), 42-21 (L), 72-70 (W), 61-32 (W), 63-37 (W), 69-42 (L), 58-27 (W), 45-31 (L), 70-68 (L)

I'm not saying Benkwitt is as good as Boltus (Who was the 2nd best QB in the E8 the last 10 years—that's right, I said it) and Utica never had a WR in the same class as Phelan, which is why they never quite got there, but still. No two teams have done this quite like the Wick and Utica. But still, there are some striking similarities. I say we call Utica Team Benkwitt from now on

Personally, I thought that Fellicetti, BY, O'Donovan, and Juvan were all just as good, or better than Benkwitt.

Boltus the 2nd best QB in the E8?  Whatever you are smoking...puff, puff, pass my friend!!!

BY was not that good. His senior season, on an 11-2 team (The only one I have stats for):

112-202 (55.4%) 1562 yards, 19 TD, 12 INT

Juvan spent his senior year sort of banged up and missed several games, so we need to look at his 2007:

178-290 (61.4%) 2621 yards, 24 TD, 6 INT

Felicetti's senior year, 2005

224-317 (70.7%) 2883, 34 TD, 12 INT

Young was a decent QB, Juvan was very good, Felicetti was great.

As for Felicetti being better than Boltus, part of the problem in comparing the two is that they were used differently.

In his last two seasons, 70% of Hartwick's plays were either a Boltus pass, run, or sack
In his last two seasons, 44% of Ithaca's plays were either a Felicetti pass, run, or sack

So really, it's useless to compare counting stats. Boltus's INT/TD percentages were better, but Felicetti's accuracy was much better. Boltus's QB efficiency rating was also higher those last two seasons (162-157) although since I don't have his freshman and sophomore seasons handy, the overall numbers could skew either way. My guess is that Feliceti's numbers will drop less because he threw less his first two years when his numbers were lower, but maybe Boltus's don't suffer either

Close, but the overall accuracy makes me lean Felicetti
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 15, 2012, 03:43:16 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 15, 2012, 02:42:04 PM
At least to dlip Benkwitt is quite good BUT dlip hasn't really see enough of him to go any further than that. He has impressed dlip a ton in the past two years against Union and his numbers are solid. To dlio, he is good BUT not even in Jason Boltus league. Boltus and Phelan made Wick relevant playing 2 vs. 11. Don't know if dlip has seen much better than that in person on this level.

My Benkwitt/Boltus comp was just done to illustrate that in both cases, you had a QB shouldering an offense while a defense sort of idly participated. It wasn't like a IC/Fisher situation with some of their QB's where the team was loaded everwhere
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 16, 2012, 06:48:08 AM
Bombers...you and I actually agree on a lot of things.  But Fellicetti is not even in the same conversation as Boltus.  I don't even care about the stats...and I have admitted on here before that Fellicetti is without question a Top 5 All-Time E8 QB, probably a Top 3 guy.  But it's not close...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2012, 10:08:07 AM
Yanks--

We can agree to disagree of course. It's a rarity (kind of like me agreeing with Frank) but it happens
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 16, 2012, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 16, 2012, 06:48:08 AM
Bombers...you and I actually agree on a lot of things.  But Fellicetti is not even in the same conversation as Boltus.  I don't even care about the stats...and I have admitted on here before that Fellicetti is without question a Top 5 All-Time E8 QB, probably a Top 3 guy.  But it's not close...

Having seen a few of these QB's I don't think many people were in the same conversation as Boltus. I have seen a few of them but Boltus has always stood out as the best QB that I have seen in the E8. I don't know that for pure talent, smarts, and arm strength there has been many better than him in the league.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on November 16, 2012, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 16, 2012, 06:48:08 AM
Bombers...you and I actually agree on a lot of things.  But Fellicetti is not even in the same conversation as Boltus.  I don't even care about the stats...and I have admitted on here before that Fellicetti is without question a Top 5 All-Time E8 QB, probably a Top 3 guy.  But it's not close...

Having seen a few of these QB's I don't think many people were in the same conversation as Boltus. I have seen a few of them but Boltus has always stood out as the best QB that I have seen in the E8. I don't know that for pure talent, smarts, and arm strength there has been many better than him in the league.

I think this is where my issue is. I agree that on a pure talent level, it was Boltus and Boltus alone. But it's not just about raw physical talent. As I said, I think Dan Juvan had more raw physical talent than Josh—heck he even was a non-roster invitee to Bills camp one season—but when it comes to on the field production (taking into account the differences in usage) I think Josh comes out slightly ahead, especially as their careers progressed, and certainly not so far behind it's an open and shut case.

By the way, anyone have Boltus' 2005/2006 stats? The Wick site only goes back to 2007...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 16, 2012, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
By the way, anyone have Boltus' 2005/2006 stats? The Wick site only goes back to 2007...

I can't remember the exact total, but I think he had around 3 Trillion yards passing against Fisher in those two years.

Phelan had 134 touchdown catches
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 16, 2012, 01:46:10 PM
Like you said Bombers...we can agree to disagree.  Pure talent wise, and at least to me, Boltus was by far and away #1 QB, and it really isn't close.  Though I will say that when you say "on the field production", I don't know how you can overlook the all-time leader in total yards in D3 NCAA history.

Better yet when taking a look at Fellicetti...and to reiterate that I completely believe that Fellicetti is an absolute Top 3-5 All-Time E8 QB...when a guy has an outstanding career and ends up throwing for over 9,000 yards and 86 TD's...that is seriously amazing.  It seems crazier when you mention that Boltus threw for over 4,100 more yards (believe the final total was something like 13,345...or very close to that) and 48 more TD's (final total being 134) than these totals, all while playing five less games, with a far inferior offensive line and a absolute suspect defense.  Wick had starting offensive lineman that were far shorter and weighed less than Boltus.

I understand the stat line you are using here...I just don't happen to agree with it in this case.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 16, 2012, 02:41:00 PM
God I dont miss Boltus.....
How to ruin a perfectly good road trip to Oneonta!
:o
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 16, 2012, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 16, 2012, 02:41:00 PM
God I dont miss Boltus.....
How to ruin a perfectly good road trip to Oneonta!
:o

Come on now...you loved it...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 16, 2012, 03:19:24 PM
Dlip had ****in man crushes on both Boltus and Sharpe. ****in nasty players!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 16, 2012, 01:46:10 PM
Like you said Bombers...we can agree to disagree.  Pure talent wise, and at least to me, Boltus was by far and away #1 QB, and it really isn't close.  Though I will say that when you say "on the field production", I don't know how you can overlook the all-time leader in total yards in D3 NCAA history.

Boltus threw for over 4,100 more yards and 48 more TD's all while playing five less games,


Of course he did. Hartwick's entire offense went through him. Ithaca's was balanced. Efficiency matters too.

Look at the 2005 game for example

Boltus 25-42, 353 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT
Felicetti 10-13, 216 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT

If Josh had thrown the ball 42 times in that game, I shudder to think of his yardage total.

The Springfield game in 2008 for example, Boltus had 50 pass attempts and 10 rushes. That's 60 of the team's 68 plays that went through him. Ithaca's offense was never that one dimensional, yes partly because they had better players in the backfield, but mostly because Ithaca's never been that kind of offense.

I understand this helped Felicetti in certain ways and hurts Boltus in others, but there were games where Jason would throw the ball 60 times. Of course he's going to have more yards and touchdowns.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 16, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
I've never seen a single player make his team that much better than they really were like Boltus did with Hartwick...

You take Boltus off that team, and no offense Yanks, they are a 3 win team...

Since 2002 the Hawks won 17 Empire 8 games, 9 of them came in 2007/2008 with Boltus...

If you take Felicetti off those Bomber teams and they're still winning 7-8 games...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 16, 2012, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
I've never seen a single player make his team that much better than they really were like Boltus did with Hartwick...

You take Boltus off that team, and no offense Yanks, they are a 3 win team...

Since 2002 the Hawks won 17 Empire 8 games, 9 of them came in 2007/2008 with Boltus...
If you take Felicetti off those Bomber teams and they're still winning 7-8 games...

That...that right there says it all...and Upstate, no offense taken, as you assessment is probably pretty close to accurate.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 16, 2012, 05:05:40 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 16, 2012, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 16, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
I've never seen a single player make his team that much better than they really were like Boltus did with Hartwick...

You take Boltus off that team, and no offense Yanks, they are a 3 win team...

Since 2002 the Hawks won 17 Empire 8 games, 9 of them came in 2007/2008 with Boltus...
If you take Felicetti off those Bomber teams and they're still winning 7-8 games...

That...that right there says it all...and Upstate, no offense taken, as you assessment is probably pretty close to accurate.

So Boltus is better than Felicetti because Hartwick couldn't play defense for four years straight? There are arguments for Boltus being better than Josh, sure. I'm not sure, "Ithaca actually knew how to tackle and cover opposing players" is one of them
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 17, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
Fisher looks great so far. Up 14-0!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 17, 2012, 01:33:12 PM
Where has this been all year long? Fisher up 28-0 early in the 2nd qt.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 17, 2012, 01:40:05 PM
Probably one of the easiest opponents all year!  :P
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 17, 2012, 01:41:23 PM
I'm sorry I missed all the QB discussion earlier in the week.  It's obvious that Ryan Kramer is the best in E8 history.  It's kind of funny you guys are even debating. 

Looks like another brutal postseason display for the ECFC.  Mount Ida and Castleton are in a competition to see who can get blown out by a larger margin.

So far Castleton is down 35.  Mount Ida is down 27. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 17, 2012, 02:02:04 PM
Fisher is up 49-0 at the half against Castleton State.  In case anybody cares at all. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 17, 2012, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on November 17, 2012, 02:02:04 PM
Fisher is up 49-0 at the half against Castleton State.  In case anybody cares at all.

I mentioned it in my previous post but I don't think it's absurd to say that Castleton is the worst team they've played all year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 17, 2012, 02:08:02 PM
I would agree with that.  It's unfortunate really.  I wish they didn't go by regions and Fisher could have played a team like Del Valley this weekend.  That would have been a matchup I would really look forward to. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
Alfred's makeshift offense ran against a defense better than Frostburg or Hartwick and Springfield dominated, 31-8.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
56-0
Fisher

Wow
And it is only the beginning of the third!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 17, 2012, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 17, 2012, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on November 17, 2012, 02:02:04 PM
Fisher is up 49-0 at the half against Castleton State.  In case anybody cares at all.

I mentioned it in my previous post but I don't think it's absurd to say that Castleton is the worst team they've played all year.

Having watched every game this year, this team is way down toward the lower end of the teams that Fisher has played this year. They just can't do anything against Fisher. Too big, too fast, too much talent on the Fisher sideline. It is only their fourth year as a team, so they do have a big upside, but they are not on the E8 level yet.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
63-0
Fisher
In the third
Castleton did not deserve this nod.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 17, 2012, 02:46:51 PM
I'm excited to see who is going to win the ECFC battle of margins!!

Castleton state has the late lead down 63 points but Mount Ida is fighting back down 59! 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 17, 2012, 02:47:08 PM
Seriously...they just need to stop giving the ECFC any NCAA or ECAC bids for a while...this is terrible...

Thank god the MASCAC will come ready to play next year...oh wait, never mind...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2012, 02:49:26 PM
wow
just wow.
this is terrible.
Fisher is literally running up the gut.
No passing, no option, no motion.
No kidding.
Just tough to watch
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 17, 2012, 02:53:17 PM
I thought Christopher Newport was going to win the margin battle but they scored a late touchdown to make it 72-14.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 17, 2012, 02:54:39 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2012, 02:49:26 PM
wow
just wow.
this is terrible.
Fisher is literally running up the gut.
No passing, no option, no motion.
No kidding.
Just tough to watch

What is really sad is that Castleton had a shot at making the NCAA's heading into the last week of the regular season...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2012, 02:55:10 PM
Honestly, do you think the ECFC coaches think they're better than they are? I mean, I understand wanting to get your guys some experience by declaring for an ECAC game, but do they honestly think they're going to hang with a good team?

BTW, I love the Fisher fan screaming "Pass! Run! DEFENSE" in a 63-0 game. Come on dude, relax ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 17, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
Castleton State slips up and accidentally scores making it 63-7.  Now Mount Ida has the lead 59-56. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2012, 02:56:22 PM
Castleton state gets a td .
yippeee

63-7

Fisher
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2012, 02:56:45 PM
He's also yelling on the XP attempt. Man, I'd hate to see him in a close game

Although, he just yelled "After the game, we're making waffles." Nice!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 17, 2012, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2012, 02:56:22 PM
Castleton state gets a td .
yippeee

63-7

Fisher

If this game ends up something to the effect of 63-24...anyone want to take any bets on how long it will take before someone pops off that it was somewhat of a close game?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 17, 2012, 03:01:07 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 17, 2012, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2012, 02:56:22 PM
Castleton state gets a td .
yippeee

63-7

Fisher

If this game ends up something to the effect of 63-24...anyone want to take any bets on how long it will take before someone pops off that it was somewhat of a close game?

It won't be me. I kinda did the opposite angle with Bridgewater, but it's different between 7-7 at the half and being down 63-0 at some point, lol.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Geez yanks.
This was a stinker from the get go.


Fenti intercepted........Gee great pass....
Good lord..

anyhoo.....
game was over in the 1st quarter.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 17, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2012, 02:55:10 PM
Honestly, do you think the ECFC coaches think they're better than they are? I mean, I understand wanting to get your guys some experience by declaring for an ECAC game, but do they honestly think they're going to hang with a good team?

BTW, I love the Fisher fan screaming "Pass! Run! DEFENSE" in a 63-0 game. Come on dude, relax ;)

Interestingly enough, I was listening to the radio preface of the Cortland game today, and the question was asked of the Framingham State Coach, "Are your kids excited for their first ever Tournament game?"

His answer was surprising, but also refreshingly honest. It was something to the effect of: "Of course we are excited, but we understand that New England football at this level is not considered on the same level as teams from the NJAC and E8. We are taking this game as an opportunity to see what Cortland is doing that makes them so successful. We are going to give it everything we have, but we have realistic goals for today.

That is a long way to say at least one of these coaches understands what it is.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MrCardinal on November 19, 2012, 11:32:30 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2012, 02:56:45 PM
He's also yelling on the XP attempt. Man, I'd hate to see him in a close game

Although, he just yelled "After the game, we're making waffles." Nice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1Gcz12F4k8&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1

The man on the left is guy who was yelling all game.  He has a good time at every game and gets other people involved as you can see.  This happened after every touchdown in the game.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 19, 2012, 01:15:28 PM
Priceless,
Peter and Gene were cracking up watching these two.
Every TD, these dads got air time !
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2012, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on November 17, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2012, 02:55:10 PM
Honestly, do you think the ECFC coaches think they're better than they are? I mean, I understand wanting to get your guys some experience by declaring for an ECAC game, but do they honestly think they're going to hang with a good team?

BTW, I love the Fisher fan screaming "Pass! Run! DEFENSE" in a 63-0 game. Come on dude, relax ;)

Interestingly enough, I was listening to the radio preface of the Cortland game today, and the question was asked of the Framingham State Coach, "Are your kids excited for their first ever Tournament game?"

His answer was surprising, but also refreshingly honest. It was something to the effect of: "Of course we are excited, but we understand that New England football at this level is not considered on the same level as teams from the NJAC and E8. We are taking this game as an opportunity to see what Cortland is doing that makes them so successful. We are going to give it everything we have, but we have realistic goals for today.

That is a long way to say at least one of these coaches understands what it is.

Interesting.  I kinda suspected as much about the NEFC and ECFC coaches.  They're not stupid, or at least most of them aren't.  When we played Wesley in the playoffs, while our coaches didn't give them team any indication beforehand, they certainly knew there was a huge talent gulf between ourselves and the Wolverines (which they'd openly acknowledge after the game), and knew that the only way we would stay in the game was if Wesley didn't show up to play and we got some breaks.  I suspect that most NEFC and ECFC coaches know this when they're lining up for a playoff game as well.

One other observation: I am going to assume that the running back from Framingham State, Van Alstyne, is quite a difference maker and was the biggest reason Framingham stayed in the game with Cortland, if the box score is any indication.  Whatever we collectively think of NEFC football, I am impressed that they had a running back gain 227 yards and two touchdowns with NO passing threat to speak of.  Incredibly, while the kid did end up with 31 carries, you might argue that the Framingham staff's biggest mistake wasn't giving him the ball even more (considering that 23 passing attempts resulted in 56 yards and 4 interceptions).  Is it possible that Framingham could have won if they'd essentially abandoned the passing game and just tried to grind it out?  Anyone actually see this game who can offer some thoughts?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 05, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2013, 04:59:10 PM
And for the Best of the Rest, here's how the ECAC Bowls are beginning to shape up, based on declared teams (subject to change).  Remember that six teams from each region will be selected, assuming the normal three games per region...

ECAC South Eligible Teams (Declared)
------------------------------------
Johns Hopkins (8-0/7-0) (CC Leader)
Gallaudet (8-0/5-0) (ECFC Leader)
Lebanon Valley (7-1/6-1) (MAC Leader)

Wesley (6-2/0-0) (Pool B Possibility)

Waynesburg (7-2/5-2)
Washington & Jefferson (6-2/5-1)
Muhlenberg (6-2/5-2)
Salisbury  (5-3/4-1) (E8 Co-Leader in Losses)
Franklin & Marshall (5-3/5-2)
Widener (5-3/5-2)
Delaware Valley (5-3/4-3)
Albright (5-3/4-3)
Juniata (5-3/4-3)

Cortland (4-4/4-2)
Wilkes (4-4/3-4)
Stevenson (4-4/3-4)
Catholic (4-4/1-4)

Bethany (3-5/3-3)
Carnegie Mellon (3-5/0-1)
Morrisville (3-5/2-3)


ECAC North Eligible Teams (Declared)
------------------------------------
Hobart (7-0/5-0) (LL Leader)
Framingham State (7-1/6-0) (Pool B Possibility)
Endicott (6-2/5-0) (NEFC Co-Leader)
Salve Regina (6-2/5-0) (NEFC Co-Leader)
Alfred (6-2/4-1) (E8 Co-Leader in Losses)

Western Connecticut (6-2/5-2)
St. John Fisher (6-2/3-2)
USMMA (4-2/1-2)

Norwich (5-3/4-1)
SUNY-Brockport (5-3/4-1)
Husson (5-3/4-1)
Bridgewater State (5-3/4-2)
MIT (4-3/2-3)
Springfield (4-3/1-3)

Buffalo State (5-4/3-3)
Mass. Maritime (4-4/2-4)
Hartwick (4-4/1-4)

Utica (3-5/1-4)
SUNY-Maritime (3-5/3-2)
Western New England (3-5/2-3)
Worcester State (3-5/1-5)

Thought I'd kick this thread forward for 2013 by pulling Frank's post from the ERFP board.

What I'd like to know if why Salisbury (E8) and Gallaudet (ECFC) are in ECAC South while Cortland (NJAC) isn't in the North?  I would presume it would be either geography or team or conference.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 06, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
Kind of surprised neither RPI nor SLU is on the list.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 07, 2013, 05:39:19 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 06, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
Kind of surprised neither RPI nor SLU is on the list.

St. Lawrence has since added themselves, as did Husson and Mt. Ida (but the latter cannot host).  Carnegie Mellon withdrew.  I'll amend after this week's action.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 07, 2013, 08:18:25 PM
Hope we see some competitive matchups this year...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 11, 2013, 02:00:16 PM
ECAC South Eligible Teams (Declared)
------------------------------------
Lebanon Valley (7-1/6-1) (MAC Leader)
 
Wesley (6-2/0-0) (Pool B Possibility)

Washington & Jefferson (7-2/6-1)
Waynesburg (7-2/5-2)
Muhlenberg (7-2/6-2)

Delaware Valley (6-3/5-3) SOS: 0.521
Albright (6-3/5-3) SOS: 0.463
Juniata (6-3/5-3) SOS: 0.516

Cortland (5-4/5-2) SOS: 0.508
Salisbury  (5-4/4-2) SOS: 0.607
Franklin & Marshall (5-4/5-3) SOS: 0.512
Catholic (5-4/2-4) SOS: 0.499

Wilkes (4-5/3-5)
Stevenson (4-5/3-5)

Bethany (3-6/3-4)

Likely Scenarios: Wesley should be a Pool B selection with the loss of Texas Lutheran.  As such, if LebVal wins Saturday vs. Albright, the two-loss teams will host the three-loss teams and one four-loss team.  Any loss by another three-loss team would likely engage two four-loss teams unless LebVal does not win the MAC.  Currently, Salisbury is the likely pick if any four-loss team is chosen, based on a much higher SOS.


ECAC North Eligible Teams (Declared)
------------------------------------
Framingham State (7-1/6-0) (Pool B Possibility)

Endicott (7-2/6-0) (NEFC Co-Leader) SOS: 0.410
Salve Regina (7-2/6-0) (NEFC Co-Leader) SOS: 0.422

Alfred (7-2/5-1) SOS: 0.539
St. John Fisher (7-2/4-2) SOS: 0.568
Western Connecticut (6-2/5-2) SOS: 0.487

Norwich (6-3/5-1) SOS: 0.481
SUNY-Brockport (6-3/5-1) SOS: 0.535
St. Lawrence (6-3/4-2) SOS: 0.528
MIT (5-3/3-3) SOS: 0.417
Springfield (5-3/2-3) SOS: 0.537
USMMA (4-3/1-3) SOS: 0.448

Husson (5-4/4-2)
Fitchburg State (5-4/4-3)
Mass. Maritime (5-4/3-4)
Hartwick (5-4/2-4)

Buffalo State (5-5/3-4)
SUNY-Maritime (4-5/4-2)
Mount Ida (4-5/3-3)

Likely Scenarios: Alfred plays Fisher, but the loser likely will be the first three-loss team picked.  The loser of Endicott/Salve will be at risk.  USMMA plays St. Lawrence, also, meaning one less three-loss team will exist next week.  As you can see, if Framingham State does win a Pool B bid (which is likely with their present SOS of 0.574), Alfred and Fisher should both get bids and then three other three-loss teams will be selected, assuming WestConn wins.  As many as three three-loss teams won't make a game, assuming Framingham makes the NCAAs.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 11, 2013, 02:06:47 PM
Will the combined score differential of AU vs random New England team and SJF vs random New England team in the ECAC games exceed 80?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 11, 2013, 02:44:40 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 11, 2013, 02:06:47 PM
Will the combined score differential of AU vs random New England team and SJF vs random New England team in the ECAC games exceed 80?

I think I'd take the under.  I could see 60, but 80 might be a stretch.  Also, the winner of the Courage Bowl could be deflated playing in an ECAC instead of the dance, though both teams should expect that fate already.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 11, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Dlip would definitely go with the under here. Not necessarily because of team strength but more so players struggling to get up for the game. On the other hand for the New England teams this will be a huge opportunity to prove themselves so Dlip has no questions about their focus and intensity. It will be a busy week for both the Alfred and Fisher coaches keeping their players motivated.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 13, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 11, 2013, 02:06:47 PM
Will the combined score differential of AU vs random New England team and SJF vs random New England team in the ECAC games exceed 80?

Nada. Should AU get way up, Murray does what he can to keep the score respectable. Case in point, the SUNY Maritime game was 50-0 at halftime and in the second half it was a dull offensive scheme ... only second half TD was a pick-6.

Haven't looked at Castleton State-Fisher boxscore but assuming the Cardinals got up big in the first half and coasted in the second in the 63-7 win.

On Saxon Warriors!


Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 13, 2013, 10:05:29 AM
Yeah Fisher was up 35-0 with 5 minutes left in the 2nd quarter...

They scored with 15 seconds left to make it 42-0...

Castleton fumbled the ensuing kickoff at their own 7 yd line, a pre snap illegal procedure penalty put the ball on the 12 and Kramer tossed a TD with 2 second left to make it 49-0...

They put their back ups in to start the 3rd and made it 63-0 on two drives (21 plays combined, 3 passes only 1 complete for 8yds)...

They did what they could to keep the ball on the ground and the clock moving but it almost went to 70 as a freshman RB popped a 57yd run from Fishers own 14yd line but was pushed out of bounds on their last possession...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 13, 2013, 10:06:14 AM
I'd like for the ECAC North and South teams to be able to mix it up against each other.  Soooo boring having to watch a bowl game against a team like Castleton State.  Wouldn't it be great to watch Fisher take on a team like Wesley in an ECAC game? 

Although I should also say that I don't know how the ECAC's actually work.  Maybe the North and South do mix it up?  I remember an ECAC game between Fisher and Cortland a few years back and I see they are listed as a South team. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 13, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
Quick note:  St. Lawrence has withdrawn from consideration for the ECACs.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 13, 2013, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 13, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
Quick note:  St. Lawrence has withdrawn from consideration for the ECACs.

Great...

One more New England team jumps into the ECACs...

Is it possible that a team can decide what region they want to declare for???

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 13, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 13, 2013, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 13, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
Quick note:  St. Lawrence has withdrawn from consideration for the ECACs.

Great...

One more New England team jumps into the ECACs...

Is it possible that a team can decide what region they want to declare for???

Well, not necessarily true, since MMA and SLU both have three losses and play this weekend.  If SLU wins, then you're right.  The answer is no, the teams are geographically separated already by the ECAC.  Cortland's location has been sort of inconsistent since they joined the NJAC -- but the Committee has been more responsible for that than the school itself.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 14, 2013, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 13, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
Quick note:  St. Lawrence has withdrawn from consideration for the ECACs.

I don't really understand the thinking here.  There's a reason why this program can't get better than mediocre.  Playing an extra game would be very beneficial for underclassmen and i'm sure coveted by seniors.  Not to say they'd even be chosen, but to withdraw is foolish to me.

If this decision is by the School Administration, shame on them, if by the coaches, shame on them, and if by the players...well, I don't have to say much there...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 14, 2013, 11:09:57 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 14, 2013, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 13, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
Quick note:  St. Lawrence has withdrawn from consideration for the ECACs.

I don't really understand the thinking here.  There's a reason why this program can't get better than mediocre.  Playing an extra game would be very beneficial for underclassmen and i'm sure coveted by seniors.  Not to say they'd even be chosen, but to withdraw is foolish to me.

If this decision is by the School Administration, shame on them, if by the coaches, shame on them, and if by the players...well, I don't have to say much there...

I think some of these schools file only if they have a confidence level that they may be able to host the game, and thus, avoid the travel costs (I'm not sure if there is any level of cost sharing -- just revenue sharing that probably isn't enough to cover the costs of both teams).  It's obvious that SLU wouldn't host a game now (95% probability), so they didn't want to have to drive to New England and spend money on an overnight.  That's only my guess.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 14, 2013, 11:32:05 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 14, 2013, 11:09:57 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 14, 2013, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 13, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
Quick note:  St. Lawrence has withdrawn from consideration for the ECACs.

I don't really understand the thinking here.  There's a reason why this program can't get better than mediocre.  Playing an extra game would be very beneficial for underclassmen and i'm sure coveted by seniors.  Not to say they'd even be chosen, but to withdraw is foolish to me.

If this decision is by the School Administration, shame on them, if by the coaches, shame on them, and if by the players...well, I don't have to say much there...

I think some of these schools file only if they have a confidence level that they may be able to host the game, and thus, avoid the travel costs (I'm not sure if there is any level of cost sharing -- just revenue sharing that probably isn't enough to cover the costs of both teams).  It's obvious that SLU wouldn't host a game now (95% probability), so they didn't want to have to drive to New England and spend money on an overnight.  That's only my guess.

I'm sure you're 100% right but its still a sad excuse especially when the going tuition rate at St. Lawrence is $46K.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2013, 09:43:19 PM
Long live the Alfland Mug!!!  Cortland at Alfred this saterday in ECAC action.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: saxontad on November 18, 2013, 08:31:15 AM
I'm glad the boys have an opportunity to wash what I am positive is a nasty taste from their mouths.  Go get 'em boys.

On Saxon Warriors!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2013, 09:28:35 AM
Here are the ECAC matchups:

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/fall/fball/2013-2014/ECAC_Announces_Division_III_Bowl_Matchups
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3viewer on November 19, 2013, 01:08:36 PM
Brockport hosting Waynesworldburg...I'm sure they are excited to be hosting an ECAC..
Excited about the opponent ? Not so sure. Looks like kind of a yawner.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: DanPadavona on November 22, 2013, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 17, 2013, 09:43:19 PM
Long live the Alfland Mug!!!  Cortland at Alfred this saterday in ECAC action.

+K for remembering Alfland from 2011!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%2Fmedia%2FUSATODAY%2Fpopcandy%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Falf-3_4_r536_c534.jpg%3F1b79b3da202957124496e3768cfb7b67cdb10c81&hash=a0f33da5f8ce313fe8340dfb41d2c969546d26bd)

My late, and much-loved Brother-in-Law was a proud Saxon warrior in the late 1980s, and a member of the coaching staff for several years thereafter. He lost his battle with an insidious disease similar to Lou Gehrig's last year.

I can't get too excited about ECAC games. But I hope the two teams go out with a great game, and use it as a launching pad for 2014.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3viewer on November 22, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
I don't expect Waynesburg to put up much of a fight as Brockport is superior on both sides of the ball and is playing at home. Expect windy cold weather..possible snow. Most likely not as much snow as when they last played in the snow against Team Boltus ( I borrowed  that term from someone on the E8 board) in 2008. I didn't realize Waynesburg is way down in the SW corner of PA. Have fun driving through Erie at night in the snow belt after the game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 24, 2013, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: D3viewer on November 22, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
I don't expect Waynesburg to put up much of a fight as Brockport is superior on both sides of the ball and is playing at home. Expect windy cold weather..possible snow. Most likely not as much snow as when they last played in the snow against Team Boltus ( I borrowed  that term from someone on the E8 board) in 2008. I didn't realize Waynesburg is way down in the SW corner of PA. Have fun driving through Erie at night in the snow belt after the game.

Weather played a big part in the game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 06, 2014, 12:00:09 PM
So far it sounds like Springfield, Hobart and RPI have filed from LL. SLU unfortunately probably won't. Any one else have any updates?

If SC wins their next 2 games, an ECAC one could be Coach Delong's 200th win. Pretty cool.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 09, 2014, 01:15:08 PM
After Week 10 Results:

ECAC North
——————
Framingham State University​ (MASCAC) 8-1/7-0 *
Husson University​ (ECFC​) 7-1/6-0 **

Norwich University​ (ECFC​) 7-2/5-1 **
St. John Fisher College​ (E8) 7-2/5-2
Worcester State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-2/5-2
Western New England University​ (NEFC​) 7-2/4-2

Western Connecticut State University​ (MASCAC​) 6-3/5-2
SUNY Buffalo State​ (E8) 6-3/4-3
Utica College​ (E8) 6-3/4-3

Mount Ida College​ (ECFC​) 5-4/5-1 **
Westfield State University​ (MASCAC​) 5-4/4-3
Endicott College​ (NEFC) 5-4/4-2
Salve Regina University​ (NEFC​) 5-4/4-2
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute​ (LL) 5-4/3-3
Springfield College​ (LL) 5-4/3-3
Alfred University​ (E8) 5-4/3-4
Fitchburg State University​ (MASCAC) 5-4/3-4
The College at Brockport​ (E8) 5-4/3-4

SUNY Cortland​ (NJAC​) 4-5/4-3

* - Eligible for Pool B or C bid to NCAA Tournament

** - Eligible for Pool A bid to NCAA Tournament (ECFC AQ)


ECAC South
——————
Delaware Valley College​ (MAC) 9-0/8-0 ***
Widener University​ (MAC) 9-0/8-0 ***

Muhlenberg College​ (CC) 8-1/7-1 *****

Morrisville State College​ (NJAC​) 8-2/5-2 ****
Waynesburg University​ (PAC) 7-2/5-2

Bethany College​ (PAC) 6-3/5-2
Stevenson University​ (MAC) 6-3/5-3

Albright College​ (MAC) 5-4/4-4
Franklin and Marshall​ (CC) 5-4/4-4
Moravian College​ (CC) 5-4/4-4
Salisbury University​ (E8) 5-4/3-4

Juniata College​ (CC) 4-5/3-5

Saint Vincent College​ (PAC) 3-6/3-4

*** - Eligible for Pool A bid to NCAA Tournament (MAC AQ) or Pool C bid with loss

**** - Eligible for Pool A bid to NCAA Tournament (NJAC AQ if Montclair beats Rowan)

***** - Eligible for Pool C bid to NCAA Tournament (Likely second team on South Pool C ordering after Centre or Texas Lutheran selected to Pool B unless Framingham State selected to Pool B instead)


Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 09, 2014, 01:26:39 PM
Yay...

Can't wait to see Fisher throttle some crappy 8 win New England area team...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Boxer7806 on November 09, 2014, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 09, 2014, 01:26:39 PM
Yay...

Can't wait to see Fisher throttle some crappy 8 win New England area team...

Well if you took care of business against Ithaca or Salisbury, you wouldn't have to worry about that ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 09, 2014, 02:39:06 PM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 09, 2014, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: Upstate on November 09, 2014, 01:26:39 PM
Yay...

Can't wait to see Fisher throttle some crappy 8 win New England area team...

Well if you took care of business against Ithaca or Salisbury, you wouldn't have to worry about that ;)

You're both right
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 10, 2014, 09:01:49 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 09, 2014, 01:26:39 PM
Yay...

Can't wait to see Fisher throttle some crappy 8 win New England area team...

Unless Framingham doesn't get in, I think Framingham-Fisher would be competitive. Probably a 3 to 7 point games.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 10, 2014, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: ECoastFootball on November 10, 2014, 09:01:49 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 09, 2014, 01:26:39 PM
Yay...

Can't wait to see Fisher throttle some crappy 8 win New England area team...

Unless Framingham doesn't get in, I think Framingham-Fisher would be competitive. Probably a 3 to 7 point games.

Really.....3-7 points.....
I know Im a bit peeved still about last Sat, but that close......?
Im not buying it.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 10, 2014, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 10, 2014, 10:04:21 AM
Really.....3-7 points.....
I know Im a bit peeved still about last Sat, but that close......?
Im not buying it.

I'm just going off recent results. 2 years ago they lost in the NCAA's to Cortland by 1. In that game Fram went for two and the win, got it, had it called back for holding, then missed the EP. Last year they led the E8 champ all the way through until Ithaca took its first lead at 3 minutes left in the fourth, and went on to win 20-17. This Framingham team is better than either of those last two Rams teams. I'm not saying they beat Fisher, I'm saying it's a one score game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 10, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
Maybe....
who knows....
Im just way too grouchy after this past weekend.....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 10, 2014, 11:32:30 AM
Many ECAC teams of Fisher's ilk, IMO, tend to fall into two categories, both of which start out as: "I can't believe we're stuck in an ECAC game, we totally blew our shot at the NCAAs and we're better than this." From there, the next sentence is either:

1. Who really cares, everyone on campus has gone home for Thanksgiving, I just want to get out of here.
or

2. So we're going to prove it by kicking the **** out of someone

The trouble is, I rarely see two #2s matched up. Instead, we get stuff where a 9-1, 14th-ranked Cortland mails in a home game against 6-3 RPI and loses 26-7 behind 7 turnovers, or Fisher ends up leading Castleton State 49-0 at halftime.

IC was always the same way. They'd beat Hartwick 40-6 when they thought they were screwed out of a bid, and lose to Union 31-7 after blowing Cortaca knocked them out of a bid.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 14, 2014, 09:35:44 AM
Apparently SC has withdrawn their ECAC bid (probably given the low chance of getting in w/ a 6-4 plus the H2H L to RPI).

I am hoping there will be 4 games scheduled. Could be some interesting match ups, but guessing most will be old Bogan / Boyd style for the Northern entries. We'll see what comes out on Monday.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wcrosby on November 14, 2014, 11:33:41 AM
MIT evidently never declared -- which makes sense given the Automatic Bid.  Western New England is the only declared NEFC member.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 14, 2014, 11:39:25 AM
I believe Endicott and Salve put in a bid but at 5-4 its a long shot at best to get in, esp if/when WNE gets in.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wcrosby on November 14, 2014, 12:58:02 PM
Sorry -- I missed it.  Salve and Endicott also put in with Western New England.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 16, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
Here's how the final ECAC board looks.  I know some pairings are being leaked already.  Parentheticals are SOS figures.

ECAC North
——————
Framingham State University​ (MASCAC) 9-1/8-0  (0.532)

St. John Fisher College​ (E8) 8-2/6-2 (0.564)
Western New England University​ (NEFC​) 8-2/5-2 (0.471)

Western Connecticut State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-3/6-2 (0.467)
Norwich University​ (ECFC​) 7-3/5-2 (0.459)
SUNY Buffalo State​ (E8) 7-3/5-3 (0.549)
Utica College​ (E8) 7-3/5-3 (0.511)
Worcester State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-3/5-3 (0.470)

Salve Regina University​ (NEFC​) 6-4/5-2 (0.490)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute​ (LL) 6-4/4-3 (0.544)
Fitchburg State University​ (MASCAC) 6-4/4-4 (0.471)

Mount Ida College​ (ECFC​) 5-5/5-2 (0.399)
Westfield State University​ (MASCAC​) 5-5/4-4 (0.504)
SUNY Cortland​ (NJAC​) 5-5/4-3 (0.504)
Endicott College​ (NEFC) 5-5/4-3 (0.532)
Alfred University​ (E8) 5-5/3-5 (0.586)
The College at Brockport​ (E8) 5-5/3-5 (0.535)

ECAC South
——————
Morrisville State College​ (NJAC​) 8-2/5-2 (0.475)
Waynesburg University​ (PAC) 8-2/6-2 (0.477)

Stevenson University​ (MAC) 7-3/6-3 (0.497)

Bethany College​ (PAC) 6-4/5-3 (0.496)
Salisbury University​ (E8) 6-4/5-3 (0.596)
Albright College​ (MAC) 6-4/5-4 (0.480)

Franklin and Marshall​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.505)
Moravian College​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.512)
Juniata College​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.484)

Saint Vincent College​ (PAC) 4-6/4-4 (0.481)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jackson5 on November 17, 2014, 02:19:53 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 14, 2014, 09:35:44 AM
Apparently SC has withdrawn their ECAC bid (probably given the low chance of getting in w/ a 6-4 plus the H2H L to RPI).

I am hoping there will be 4 games scheduled. Could be some interesting match ups, but guessing most will be old Bogan / Boyd style for the Northern entries. We'll see what comes out on Monday.

I'll be disappointed. Hate that they do that for the New England teams. They have plenty of chances to face each other. Match them up with LL, E8 and NJAC schools to give them the shot at new match ups.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 17, 2014, 07:56:00 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on November 17, 2014, 02:19:53 AM
I'll be disappointed. Hate that they do that for the New England teams. They have plenty of chances to face each other. Match them up with LL, E8 and NJAC schools to give them the shot at new match ups.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 17, 2014, 07:58:51 AM
When do the official ECAC matchups come out?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 17, 2014, 10:17:49 AM
Probably early PM today. Sounds like teams are hearing already in spite of no announcements. We saw a tweet from a RPI player that showed the Engineers were selected for the ECAC North Atlantic bowl (but didn't say against whom) last night. Now just saw a coach tweet that they'll travel to play Fram St. Probably means RPI was last team selected but good matchup for both teams.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 10:18:40 AM
Fisher to host Western Con. St.

goody.......

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 17, 2014, 10:32:24 AM
Damn it...

Wanted Frahm St...

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 10:36:55 AM

I think bombers had it right when he mentioned the 2 scenarios that can happen to a team heading into an ecac game....
Mooville playing UC is exciting for them....taste of a playoff game....
For Fisher its the painful reminder that they didnt take care of biz against IC.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 17, 2014, 10:49:05 AM
Fisher is going to beat West Conn by 50.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 10:50:10 AM
Which does neither team any good.

Its too bad
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 17, 2014, 10:51:11 AM
SJF/Western Ct is a crappy matchup.  Let's hope Fisher doesn't sulk about it and at least puts up 50 in the first half and then let's their young kids play.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 17, 2014, 10:52:13 AM
Quote from: ECoastFootball on November 17, 2014, 10:49:05 AM
Fisher is going to beat West Conn by 50.

Was thinking this but didn't want to say it...

Fusco goes for 250 if the coaches let him...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 10:53:52 AM
Gentlemen
lets call this what it is

It will be a learning tool that Fisher will use to get to see how the young guys play ..............OR
A game where they simply go thru the paces, dont give a crap and pack it up...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2014, 11:43:53 AM
Fisher either wins by 40 or 7.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 17, 2014, 11:51:35 AM
Official pairings up:

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/fball/2014/releases/bowl_selection
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 17, 2014, 11:54:20 AM
Congrats to Buff St for making it back to the post season!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 17, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Offered, without commentary:


2014 ECAC Division III Bowl Championships

North Atlantic
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (6-4)
at Framingham State University (9-1) 12:00 p.m.

North Central
Utica College (7-3)
at Morrisville State College (8-2) 1:00 p.m.

Northeast
Salve Regina University (6-4)
at Norwich University (7-3) 12:00 p.m.

Northwest
Western Connecticut State University (7-3)
at St. John Fisher College (8-2) 12:00 p.m.

Southwest
Buffalo State College (7-3)
at Waynesburg University (8-2) 1:00 p.m.

Southeast
Bethany College (6-4)
at Stevenson University (7-3) 2:00 p.m.

South Atlantic
Albright College (6-4)
at Salisbury University (6-4) 12:00 p.m.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
meh
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 17, 2014, 12:38:31 PM
Two games look mildly interesting:

North Central
Utica College (7-3)
at Morrisville State College (8-2) 1:00 p.m.

Southwest
Buffalo State College (7-3)
at Waynesburg University (8-2) 1:00 p.m.

I couldn't care less about the rest
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 12:43:49 PM
The Mville and UC game is interesting- Ill give you that!
I may even take a trip down rte 20 sat!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 17, 2014, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
meh

Yeah, I can't imagine Fisher feels great about playing a team that lost at home to a 2-8 Hartwick.

I just don't see the point in that game at all.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 01:04:48 PM
I think that the ECAC's have run their course for Fisher at this point.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 17, 2014, 01:21:47 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 01:04:48 PM
I think that the ECAC's have run their course for Fisher at this point.

But, but, but...

They won't be able to say they've made the post season every year since 2003 without them though...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 17, 2014, 01:24:37 PM
Ugh.....
Really- Does beating up someone akin to  Casleton St. team to a pulp accomplish anything other than that?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2014, 07:56:16 AM
I'm sure this gets rehashed almost every year, but a few words in defense of the existence of ECAC games (since most of what currently resides on this thread is a downer).

Bombers laid out what can happen with a program like Fisher. Let's extend that to describe the

1. A program that's just had their best season in several years (Bethany) or ever (Stevenson)

2. A program whose season might have been slightly disappointing, but closed on a winning streak (Albright) or playing especially well (Waynesburg)

3. A program that thinks they should have made the playoffs and wants to call it quits for the season

Teams 1 and 2 are going to be excited about the ECAC game. The only team(s) out of the whole group that I see who probably feel "meh" about this are SJF and, who, Salisbury? Even those dudes are probably happy to get one more game.

As for whether the ECACs have "run their course" for Fisher: y'all have been to the playoffs twice in the last seven seasons. Maybe you, the fans, are tired of ECAC games because they represent another season that fell short of your expectations, but come on.  The only programs who ought to feel above the ECAC are teams that actually make the playoffs more often than they miss them.

I get that fans don't HAVE to share the feelings of the team, but if you root for these guys all season and THEY want to enjoy one more game, it seems sporting to support them in that desire.  Don't be that d-bag who puts on his Jets jersey and claims he's a huge Jets fan, then boos at halftime and leaves in the third quarter.

I've relayed this anecdote previously: I was a senior on a 6-4 team that played in the ECACs after making the playoffs the season before.  Coming down the stretch I wasn't really sure how I (or any of the seniors) would react at the prospect of an ECAC game - would some guys just want the season over with?  Once we got word we had a game...unanimous excitement amongst the upperclassmen. We got a one week reprieve from being done with football for good. We got one more chance to suit up and play with our buddies. It was the most fun week of the season, really.  Maybe one or two of the teams in this year's field share the Fisher apathy, but for Albright, Stevenson, Bethany, Waynesburg, Buffalo State, etc...I bet all those dudes are pretty excited to have one more game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Saxon73 on November 18, 2014, 08:07:29 AM
ExTP,  well said, and as usual you make a well stated and cogent statement.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: GoTech73 on November 18, 2014, 08:20:30 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2014, 07:56:16 AM
I've relayed this anecdote previously: I was a senior on a 6-4 team that played in the ECACs after making the playoffs the season before.  Coming down the stretch I wasn't really sure how I (or any of the seniors) would react at the prospect of an ECAC game - would some guys just want the season over with?  Once we got word we had a game...unanimous excitement amongst the upperclassmen. We got a one week reprieve from being done with football for good. We got one more chance to suit up and play with our buddies. It was the most fun week of the season, really.  Maybe one or two of the teams in this year's field share the Fisher apathy, but for Albright, Stevenson, Bethany, Waynesburg, Buffalo State, etc...I bet all those dudes are pretty excited to have one more game.

I agree - I can't imagine any senior not being excited for one more game. I could see underclassmen just wanting the season to be over with, but I think it would be really hard to find any senior that just wants their *career* to be over with. Football is unique in that once you're done at the collegiate level, you're pretty much done playing the sport. Basketball, soccer, lacrosse, etc. all can be pretty closely replicated in rec leagues or pickup games of all shapes and sizes, but there's really no equivalent for football. Flag football leagues just make one miss the real game even more (especially linemen...). Making that last game a "bowl game" honestly might the best way to end a career at the DIII level.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:09 AM
The one question that I will pose (while agreeing that one more game is great for the seniors) is what is the value of a monkey stomp other than giving your younger guys a look for next year?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 18, 2014, 09:39:48 AM
Look, for years a lot of people had said one of the reasons Mt Union continues to be so good is that they get to play 14 games each season. While an ECAC game may feel like a slight to some elitists, a different attitude could see it as a building block for next season. It's one more game for seniors and 4 more quarters of experience for the younger guys that might be valuable next season.  You can win and end on a high note, or be a team like Western CT and likely lose but have a better gauge of where you are as a program and maybe what you need to do to get there.

I'm sure plenty of former players on this board would do a lot for 'one more game'.  It shouldn't be viewed poorly. If it is, maybe that attitude is a reason for being unable to win crucial regular season games.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2014, 09:42:50 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:09 AM
The one question that I will pose (while agreeing that one more game is great for the seniors) is what is the value of a monkey stomp other than giving your younger guys a look for next year?

This actually IS a fair question, so maybe the issue at hand here isn't just playing the ECAC game, but trying to make sure that the matchups are all relatively even. It would be nice if Fisher was playing Framingham State, maybe. But skimming through all of the matchups, SJF vs. WestConn is the only one that stands out as particularly lopsided. All of the others are even-ish, depending on the respective motivations of each team.

This is reminiscent of another chicken-or-egg argument I have been through about scheduling: some fans complain that NEFC, ECFC, and MASCAC teams don't play anyone, that's why they never get better, and it's horrible that anyone from that league is allowed to go to the playoffs when playing such a schedule full of patsies...and then those same fans complain when any team from their precious league actually schedules one of those teams.  Even if the ECAC game wasn't voluntarily scheduled, it's still a good way for those teams to get exposure to an opponent from a better league.  What's more valuable for the NEFC/MASCAC team trying to reach the next level: an ECAC game against Norwich, or an ECAC game against St. John Fisher?  Isn't it good for those teams to get an occasional game against an Empire 8 team?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 18, 2014, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2014, 09:42:50 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:09 AM
The one question that I will pose (while agreeing that one more game is great for the seniors) is what is the value of a monkey stomp other than giving your younger guys a look for next year?

This actually IS a fair question, so maybe the issue at hand here isn't just playing the ECAC game, but trying to make sure that the matchups are all relatively even. It would be nice if Fisher was playing Framingham State, maybe. But skimming through all of the matchups, SJF vs. WestConn is the only one that stands out as particularly lopsided. All of the others are even-ish, depending on the respective motivations of each team.

This is reminiscent of another chicken-or-egg argument I have been through about scheduling: some fans complain that NEFC, ECFC, and MASCAC teams don't play anyone, that's why they never get better, and it's horrible that anyone from that league is allowed to go to the playoffs when playing such a schedule full of patsies...and then those same fans complain when any team from their precious league actually schedules one of those teams.  Even if the ECAC game wasn't voluntarily scheduled, it's still a good way for those teams to get exposure to an opponent from a better league.  What's more valuable for the NEFC/MASCAC team trying to reach the next level: an ECAC game against Norwich, or an ECAC game against St. John Fisher?  Isn't it good for those teams to get an occasional game against an Empire 8 team?

Honestly, if I were a player on Wesconn, I'd want to play St. John Fisher.  Do you think St. Lawrence was pissed that they got to play Mt. union a few years ago?  Even if they got man handled, I think a game like that helps a program.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 18, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
All the kids we speak to each week on ITH would take the extra game if they could get it. We shared our disappointment in SLU's policy against ECAC participation to their athletic dept. RPI is thrilled to have one more game and it'll be a tough one against FSU. Not sure exactly how the match ups are selected but Frank surmised it's not unlike NCAAs in that teams are ranked and paired accordingly. That would point to FSU being a 1 and RPI likely being the last team in with a 6-4 record.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 18, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
All the kids we speak to each week on ITH would take the extra game if they could get it. We shared our disappointment in SLU's policy against ECAC participation to their athletic dept. RPI is thrilled to have one more game and it'll be a tough one against FSU. Not sure exactly how the match ups are selected but Frank surmised it's not unlike NCAAs in that teams are ranked and paired accordingly. That would point to FSU being a 1 and RPI likely being the last team in with a 6-4 record.

I don't understand why you would do the match ups this way. It's not a tournament, it's a single game. The goal should be to match up even strength teams so the games are competitive. That benefits both teams. Ranking from the top down should set up non-competitive games for half the teams. Why bother?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Saxon73 on November 18, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 18, 2014, 10:04:29 AM

I don't understand why you would do the match ups this way. It's not a tournament, it's a single game. The goal should be to match up even strength teams so the games are competitive. That benefits both teams. Ranking from the top down should set up non-competitive games for half the teams. Why bother?
Agreed here.  The current pairings look pretty much geographic except for the SJF - WCon matchup.  I would like to have seen SJF play Fram or Mo'ville. It could be enlightening or exciting.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 18, 2014, 10:52:58 AM
I would like to see how they pick these teams and match them up. I would think they should rank them and then have 1v2, 3v4, 5v6 and so on.

Also, How does West Conn make it over Worcester (both 7-3 and Worcester beat West Conn at West Conn) and Norwich make it over Castleton (both 7-3 and Castleton beat Norwich at NU 48-28 last week)? Did Worcester and Castleton not apply?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: sjfcards on November 18, 2014, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:09 AM
The one question that I will pose (while agreeing that one more game is great for the seniors) is what is the value of a monkey stomp other than giving your younger guys a look for next year?

One extra week of practice isn't bad either. I hate that Fisher is in the ECAC game this year, but if it were this or no game at all, I will take this. Fisher can keep working on things, they can experiment in these games, and it keeps the returning players together for one more week. I had a couple friends that were on the football team at Fisher when I was there and I remember them talking about how ECAC games allowed them to have a different focus during film sessions, practice, etc. One guy in particular was firmly in a backup roll at his position all year. During the ECAC week Fisher still played the starter, but this guy was MUCH more involved in the preparation for the game. And, becuase Fisher won big, he got some playing time. It was a great week for him, and he developed as a player because of it.

I have never understood why any team would opt out of an ECAC game (other than for budget reasons). I get that IC and Fisher may consider themselves beyond these games as a program, but honestly it is a week of practice that all but a handful of teams don't get. Use the game as a chance to get better and continue what you do well. That is the reward for having a good season, even if you don't make the playoffs.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2014, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: ECoastFootball on November 18, 2014, 10:52:58 AM
I would like to see how they pick these teams and match them up. I would think they should rank them and then have 1v2, 3v4, 5v6 and so on.

Also, How does West Conn make it over Worcester (both 7-3 and Worcester beat West Conn at West Conn) and Norwich make it over Castleton (both 7-3 and Castleton beat Norwich at NU 48-28 last week)? Did Worcester and Castleton not apply?

They try to do a 1/6, 2/5, 3/4 matchup process, but attempts are made to allow for geographic feasibility, avoidance of rematches, conference inclusion, and regional balance (like Morrisville and Buff State flopping regions).  This has developed a lot more over the past five years -- I think there's been a move to try to create some more compelling matchups that will allow for these games to generate more overall interest. I actually think this batch of games isn't bad.  SJF shouldn't take WestConn lightly, as it's a team that's got some real talent that can shock some teams.  The Framingham St./RPI matchup will show if FS was legit in its 9-1 or if RPI at 6-4 still packs more talent than some of the better New England teams.  Those are just two examples.  I'm oddly more interested to see how this batch of games plays out more than normal, to be honest.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 18, 2014, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: ECoastFootball on November 18, 2014, 10:52:58 AM
I would like to see how they pick these teams and match them up. I would think they should rank them and then have 1v2, 3v4, 5v6 and so on.

Also, How does West Conn make it over Worcester (both 7-3 and Worcester beat West Conn at West Conn) and Norwich make it over Castleton (both 7-3 and Castleton beat Norwich at NU 48-28 last week)? Did Worcester and Castleton not apply?

Also, how does 8-2 WNEC not get a game?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 18, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
Castleton must have withdrawn as they weren't on final list. Its possible WNE could have been a late drop as well. I know ECAC comm tries to give members of different conferences a shot, and this field has every conf covered. FSU prob made it such that WooState was edged out given MASCAC already had a rep?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 18, 2014, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
Castleton must have withdrawn as they weren't on final list. Its possible WNE could have been a late drop as well. I know ECAC comm tries to give members of different conferences a shot, and this field has every conf covered. FSU prob made it such that WooState was edged out given MASCAC already had a rep?

I'm not seeing Castleton as being on any list.  James, you're probably right about WNEU sending in a late withdrawal that never made it onto the ECAC's list.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 18, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2014, 07:56:16 AM
I'm sure this gets rehashed almost every year, but a few words in defense of the existence of ECAC games (since most of what currently resides on this thread is a downer).

Bombers laid out what can happen with a program like Fisher. Let's extend that to describe the

1. A program that's just had their best season in several years (Bethany) or ever (Stevenson)

2. A program whose season might have been slightly disappointing, but closed on a winning streak (Albright) or playing especially well (Waynesburg)

3. A program that thinks they should have made the playoffs and wants to call it quits for the season

Teams 1 and 2 are going to be excited about the ECAC game. The only team(s) out of the whole group that I see who probably feel "meh" about this are SJF and, who, Salisbury? Even those dudes are probably happy to get one more game.

As for whether the ECACs have "run their course" for Fisher: y'all have been to the playoffs twice in the last seven seasons. Maybe you, the fans, are tired of ECAC games because they represent another season that fell short of your expectations, but come on.  The only programs who ought to feel above the ECAC are teams that actually make the playoffs more often than they miss them.

I get that fans don't HAVE to share the feelings of the team, but if you root for these guys all season and THEY want to enjoy one more game, it seems sporting to support them in that desire.  Don't be that d-bag who puts on his Jets jersey and claims he's a huge Jets fan, then boos at halftime and leaves in the third quarter.

I've relayed this anecdote previously: I was a senior on a 6-4 team that played in the ECACs after making the playoffs the season before.  Coming down the stretch I wasn't really sure how I (or any of the seniors) would react at the prospect of an ECAC game - would some guys just want the season over with?  Once we got word we had a game...unanimous excitement amongst the upperclassmen. We got a one week reprieve from being done with football for good. We got one more chance to suit up and play with our buddies. It was the most fun week of the season, really.  Maybe one or two of the teams in this year's field share the Fisher apathy, but for Albright, Stevenson, Bethany, Waynesburg, Buffalo State, etc...I bet all those dudes are pretty excited to have one more game.

You might need 3a and 3b

I was on an Ithaca team in 1996 that started out 7-1 (1 loss to a great D2 AIC team) and I think we were ranked top 10 nationally (before legit d3football.com polls, but we were #1 in the east).  Anyway, we lost our last two games to Cortland and Buffalo St in horrendous fashion, and guys were kind of ambivalent about playing an ECAC game against Worcester State.  It was just a disappointing way to end the season, and winning one more game didn't really seem to matter to anyone.  And it's wasn't really the starters that didn't want to play, but all the 2nd string guys that were ready to move on didn't take the week too seriously.  In the end, we won against a great defensive team, and guys were happy when it was over, but the win still didn't feel like the wins we were used to.  I had another year to play, and I had started that year so I had something to look forward to, but I don't remember a lot of guys savoring "one last game together" stuff.  I think playing on the road had something to do with it too, but all in all it was a blah experience for our team.

But back to 3a and 3b

3a-  teams that start out 7-1 and ranked in the top  ten and then crap the bed and miss the playoffs or

3b-  teams that start out 0-3 or something and then rattle off a bunch of wins, knowing they won't get the AQ but still hope to "keep the party going" as they say
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2014, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 18, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
You might need 3a and 3b

I was on an Ithaca team in 1996 that started out 7-1 (1 loss to a great D2 AIC team) and I think we were ranked top 10 nationally (before legit d3football.com polls, but we were #1 in the east).  Anyway, we lost our last two games to Cortland and Buffalo St in horrendous fashion, and guys were kind of ambivalent about playing an ECAC game against Worcester State.  It was just a disappointing way to end the season, and winning one more game didn't really seem to matter to anyone.  And it's wasn't really the starters that didn't want to play, but all the 2nd string guys that were ready to move on didn't take the week too seriously.  In the end, we won against a great defensive team, and guys were happy when it was over, but the win still didn't feel like the wins we were used to.  I had another year to play, and I had started that year so I had something to look forward to, but I don't remember a lot of guys savoring "one last game together" stuff.  I think playing on the road had something to do with it too, but all in all it was a blah experience for our team.

But back to 3a and 3b

3a-  teams that start out 7-1 and ranked in the top  ten and then crap the bed and miss the playoffs or

3b-  teams that start out 0-3 or something and then rattle off a bunch of wins, knowing they won't get the AQ but still hope to "keep the party going" as they say

You know, I kind of thought of this afterwards, didn't bother to add it but I agree 100% - teams that could/should have made the playoffs can fall in either of these two categories.  Good clarification.

My senior-year experience was a 3b (started 2-0, lost four straight, won four straight to reach 6-4, got the ECAC game and won to finish 7-4 and on a high note).  But I can certainly see the flip side.

And that's the thing.  As long as the ECAC games exist, you'll have a smattering of 6-4 and 7-3 teams available to play, and most of those teams will be those like Bethany, Stevenson, Albright, Buffalo State, Utica, Waynesburg...all programs that are probably excited about their extra post-season game.  SJF (and maybe Salisbury) look like the only teams on this year's list that harbored real serious playoff expectations and would feel like they're above an ECAC game.  Heck, you could even argue that Framingham State will be cheesed off about being in the ECAC instead of the playoffs and might mail it in (after all, they were in the playoffs in 2012 and 2013).
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 18, 2014, 04:01:05 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2014, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 18, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
You might need 3a and 3b

I was on an Ithaca team in 1996 that started out 7-1 (1 loss to a great D2 AIC team) and I think we were ranked top 10 nationally (before legit d3football.com polls, but we were #1 in the east).  Anyway, we lost our last two games to Cortland and Buffalo St in horrendous fashion, and guys were kind of ambivalent about playing an ECAC game against Worcester State.  It was just a disappointing way to end the season, and winning one more game didn't really seem to matter to anyone.  And it's wasn't really the starters that didn't want to play, but all the 2nd string guys that were ready to move on didn't take the week too seriously.  In the end, we won against a great defensive team, and guys were happy when it was over, but the win still didn't feel like the wins we were used to.  I had another year to play, and I had started that year so I had something to look forward to, but I don't remember a lot of guys savoring "one last game together" stuff.  I think playing on the road had something to do with it too, but all in all it was a blah experience for our team.

But back to 3a and 3b

3a-  teams that start out 7-1 and ranked in the top  ten and then crap the bed and miss the playoffs or

3b-  teams that start out 0-3 or something and then rattle off a bunch of wins, knowing they won't get the AQ but still hope to "keep the party going" as they say

You know, I kind of thought of this afterwards, didn't bother to add it but I agree 100% - teams that could/should have made the playoffs can fall in either of these two categories.  Good clarification.

My senior-year experience was a 3b (started 2-0, lost four straight, won four straight to reach 6-4, got the ECAC game and won to finish 7-4 and on a high note).  But I can certainly see the flip side.

And that's the thing.  As long as the ECAC games exist, you'll have a smattering of 6-4 and 7-3 teams available to play, and most of those teams will be those like Bethany, Stevenson, Albright, Buffalo State, Utica, Waynesburg...all programs that are probably excited about their extra post-season game.  SJF (and maybe Salisbury) look like the only teams on this year's list that harbored real serious playoff expectations and would feel like they're above an ECAC game.  Heck, you could even argue that Framingham State will be cheesed off about being in the ECAC instead of the playoffs and might mail it in (after all, they were in the playoffs in 2012 and 2013).

Ok, i'll make this short and sweet.  If any program thinks they are 'above' the ECAC games or just aren't interested, maybe the players should have some buy in and they should be pulled from consideration.  I'm guessing most of the people bitching are on message boards and not in the locker room.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jackson5 on November 18, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
Castleton must have withdrawn as they weren't on final list. Its possible WNE could have been a late drop as well. I know ECAC comm tries to give members of different conferences a shot, and this field has every conf covered. FSU prob made it such that WooState was edged out given MASCAC already had a rep?

WNE chose to end their season after an off-campus incident Saturday night.

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=11896392&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%22%7D
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 18, 2014, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on November 18, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 18, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
Castleton must have withdrawn as they weren't on final list. Its possible WNE could have been a late drop as well. I know ECAC comm tries to give members of different conferences a shot, and this field has every conf covered. FSU prob made it such that WooState was edged out given MASCAC already had a rep?

WNE chose to end their season after an off-campus incident Saturday night.

I figured! Such a shame for the rest of the team.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 18, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
That doesn't sound good. And just put together this is the same thing as what's on the General Boards under ESPN coverage .....

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11896392/john-perry-western-new-england-university-pleads-not-guilty-fracturing-girlfriend-skull
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 18, 2014, 04:17:10 PM
Maybe WNEC should clean up their program.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 19, 2014, 10:43:28 AM
Here are my predicted winners for the ECAC games.

2014 ECAC Division III Bowl Championships

North Atlantic
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (6-4)
at Framingham State University (9-1) 12:00 p.m.

North Central
Utica College (7-3)
at Morrisville State College (8-2) 1:00 p.m.

Northeast
Salve Regina University (6-4)
at Norwich University (7-3) 12:00 p.m.

Northwest
Western Connecticut State University (7-3)
at St. John Fisher College (8-2) 12:00 p.m.

Southwest
Buffalo State College (7-3)
at Waynesburg University (8-2) 1:00 p.m.

Southeast
Bethany College (6-4)
at Stevenson University (7-3) 2:00 p.m.

South Atlantic
Albright College (6-4)
at Salisbury University (6-4) 12:00 p.m.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 19, 2014, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 19, 2014, 10:43:28 AM
Here are my predicted winners for the ECAC games.

2014 ECAC Division III Bowl Championships

North Atlantic
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (6-4)
at Framingham State University (9-1) 12:00 p.m.

North Central
Utica College (7-3)
at Morrisville State College (8-2) 1:00 p.m.

Northeast
Salve Regina University (6-4)
at Norwich University (7-3) 12:00 p.m.

Northwest
Western Connecticut State University (7-3)
at St. John Fisher College (8-2) 12:00 p.m.

Southwest
Buffalo State College (7-3)
at Waynesburg University (8-2) 1:00 p.m.

Southeast
Bethany College (6-4)
at Stevenson University (7-3) 2:00 p.m.

South Atlantic
Albright College (6-4)
at Salisbury University (6-4) 12:00 p.m.

Don't know anything about the south teams, but for the North I'll agree with you on 3 but take Salve over Norwich.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 19, 2014, 07:40:40 PM
West Conn looks to have a good pass rush with their DL. Will be interesting to see if they can get after Fisher's QB...

Speaking of...

If Fenti plays, Fisher by 27...

If Fenti and Nigolian play, Fisher by 35...

If Catan gets the start, Fisher by 17...

If Catan starts and Nigolian plays, Fisher by 24...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 20, 2014, 11:17:22 AM
I know Fisher is like an hour and 20 from Buffalo, but have they been (or will they be) hit by this snow? Any chance the WConn game gets cancelled or moved, or that the Cards have been having to cancel practice?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 20, 2014, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: ECoastFootball on November 20, 2014, 11:17:22 AM
I know Fisher is like an hour and 20 from Buffalo, but have they been (or will they be) hit by this snow? Any chance the WConn game gets cancelled or moved, or that the Cards have been having to cancel practice?

Pep is 90 miles southeast of Buffalo and we have nothing more than a dusting of an inch or so of snow. The weird thing about the snowfall in Buffalo is that it is clearly a lake-effect storm. The "official" snowfall for Buffalo is taken at the airport, which measured 7 inches of snow, whereas they had up to 70 inches in certain areas of the city, which will never make the "official" snowfall history books.

Pep is thinking there's nothing going to cancel the West Conn-Fisher game but then Pep is 75 miles south..... Pack your bags!

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 20, 2014, 11:50:13 AM
Yeah, Rochester is fine...which isn't usually the case when discussing snow.  Probably 3-5 inches.  Let the games begin. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 20, 2014, 01:19:52 PM
It's only 75 in Key West and the sun is hiding behind the clouds.........

Miserable weather ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 20, 2014, 02:16:40 PM
Looks like Fenti is a go but Nigolian is not...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2015, 01:07:49 PM
Interesting decision by the ECAC to host all of their regional games in one spot -- Central Connecticut State.

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/ECAC_D3_FB_FEST_release_1

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on October 15, 2015, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 15, 2015, 01:07:49 PM
Interesting decision by the ECAC to host all of their regional games in one spot -- Central Connecticut State.

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/ECAC_D3_FB_FEST_release_1

That could be interesting for attendance reasons... I can only imagine the line up on campus to buy the ticket allotment. It's going to look like Krzyzewskiville right?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 15, 2015, 01:38:39 PM
That's awesome news. As aforementioned, it may help with attendance. Nevertheless, the experience of both teams having to travel and play at a neutral site, makes it more interesting.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2015, 01:42:34 PM
I don't think they'll get huge attendance at CCSU, but it's been my impression that they probably don't get much when hosting them on campuses anyway (my ECAC game back at CMU was very, very sparsely attended...it was right before Thanksgiving break and the weather sucked, but still, it was maybe a quarter of what we normally drew).  Might as well turn it into a weekend-long bonanza and see if anyone decides to stick around for more than just their team's game.  It would be cool if they had some sort of group dinners or something for the teams and parents who do make the trip.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wally_wabash on October 15, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
Does the ECAC pay for travel?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on October 15, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 15, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
Does the ECAC pay for travel?

Pep believes that traveling teams receive some sort of stipend to help with cost.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on October 15, 2015, 02:22:47 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 15, 2015, 01:38:39 PM
That's awesome news. As aforementioned, it may help with attendance. Nevertheless, the experience of both teams having to travel and play at a neutral site, makes it more interesting.

Pep doubts it will help much with attendance. Northeast weather in late November can be a deterrent. But, as was mentioned, some dedicated D3 fans may make a weekend party of it, provided there are a few teams they are interested in seeing. Mind you, NCAA playoffs occur that Saturday with 12 noon kickoffs, traditionally.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2015, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 15, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 15, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
Does the ECAC pay for travel?

Pep believes that traveling teams receive some sort of stipend to help with cost.

Now that twice as many teams are traveling, I wonder what will happen there. I know there have been teams in the past that have declined to put their names in for postseason bids because of the cost of traveling, let alone staying overnight. A lot of schools are overnight from CCSU.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 15, 2015, 03:58:43 PM
I'd also wonder if some of this might have to do with schools struggling to find student workers to help with the game, given the timing of Thanksgiving Break.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on October 15, 2015, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2015, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 15, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 15, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
Does the ECAC pay for travel?

Pep believes that traveling teams receive some sort of stipend to help with cost.

Now that twice as many teams are traveling, I wonder what will happen there. I know there have been teams in the past that have declined to put their names in for postseason bids because of the cost of traveling, let alone staying overnight. A lot of schools are overnight from CCSU.

That would definitely be an overnight for Alfred...likely a 6 hour drive, much like Springfield was. And, the chance of getting a band to travel that distance is remote, but some band alumni from the Boston area, just a 2 1/2 hour ride, would welcome a chance to play for the Saxons again!

Would Pep make the trip? Were it a week later, Pep definitely would. Currently making plans to be near Hartford, CT for Thanksgiving this year to be with Mrs. Pep's relatives.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on October 15, 2015, 06:00:18 PM
Fairly confident that the ECAC does not help with the travel costs for these games. This is the reason for the steady decline of the number of teams declaring for ECAC bowl eligibility.

Some very interesting stuff on the 2015 declaration form regarding ticket sales and expenses:

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/2015_Football_Bowl_Championships_Declaration_Form_-_UPDATED

Here's the best part for those of you who don't click the link....


Committment of Declaration
By submitting this form, if you are selected to participate you are agreeing to the following:

Institution agrees be available to play on any of the three dates at any of the given times listed above under Championship Dates/Times
Insitition agrees to sell a minimum of 300 tickets at $10 per ticket
Institution agrees to provide proper staffing for their own will-call table at ticket booth
Institution chosen as the higher-seed will be considered the home team and agrees to provide SID support for stat-crew and game story
Institution is responsible for own lodging arrangements and agrees to stay at Host Hotel (information to be provided on Selection Monday)
Institution agrees to use ECAC transportation vendor 
If selected, institution agrees to supply all necessary pre-game information to ECAC Marketing & Communications no later than 6pm on Tuesday, November 17
high resolution logo
full season re-cap
alpha & numeric rosters
60 second institutional or athletic commercial spot
60 second video footage of team to be used in broad cast open
30 minute window with head coach for interview


Easy to see why a team would opt to not be a part of these money grabbing games.....and why the selection pool has seemed pretty weak in recent years.


Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 15, 2015, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on October 15, 2015, 06:00:18 PM
Fairly confident that the ECAC does not help with the travel costs for these games. This is the reason for the steady decline of the number of teams declaring for ECAC bowl eligibility.

Some very interesting stuff on the 2015 declaration form regarding ticket sales and expenses:

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/2015_Football_Bowl_Championships_Declaration_Form_-_UPDATED

Here's the best part for those of you who don't click the link....


Committment of Declaration
By submitting this form, if you are selected to participate you are agreeing to the following:

Institution agrees be available to play on any of the three dates at any of the given times listed above under Championship Dates/Times
Insitition agrees to sell a minimum of 300 tickets at $10 per ticket
Institution agrees to provide proper staffing for their own will-call table at ticket booth
Institution chosen as the higher-seed will be considered the home team and agrees to provide SID support for stat-crew and game story
Institution is responsible for own lodging arrangements and agrees to stay at Host Hotel (information to be provided on Selection Monday)
Institution agrees to use ECAC transportation vendor 
If selected, institution agrees to supply all necessary pre-game information to ECAC Marketing & Communications no later than 6pm on Tuesday, November 17
high resolution logo
full season re-cap
alpha & numeric rosters
60 second institutional or athletic commercial spot
60 second video footage of team to be used in broad cast open
30 minute window with head coach for interview


Easy to see why a team would opt to not be a part of these money grabbing games.....and why the selection pool has seemed pretty weak in recent years.

There has not been a decline in teams -- with the surge in viable New England teams, the ECAC North Region has seen a major bounce over the past five years.  The ECAC South Region has also had sufficient teams in the last few years.  A few teams have opted out due to costs, yes, but there have been several replacements.  In addition, there has been a forced gate that is intended to split revenues between the teams.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on October 15, 2015, 08:19:29 PM
I was mistaken with my comment regarding ECAC bowls, and declining numbers. They're getting enough teams to fill their games, but are top level, just missed NCAA teams putting in for ECAC games?

I just assumed that less teams were declaring for bowls when I saw so many 6-4 teams being selected for games in recent years.

Hopefully this new format will allow for some better mixed region games.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jackson5 on October 15, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
Interesting idea.

The main issue with these games are that no one cares. All these teams thought they were NCAA bound until very often only 2-3 weeks before the game. Most players would rather just have the season end then have another week of practice in 30 or 40 degree weather just for a game that doesn't mean anything. And it's not just in football that there's this problem,  all the sports have this issue, although it's worse in the others where teams lose in conference tournament a few days prior and assume their season is over.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2015, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on October 15, 2015, 08:19:29 PM
I was mistaken with my comment regarding ECAC bowls, and declining numbers. They're getting enough teams to fill their games, but are top level, just missed NCAA teams putting in for ECAC games?

You might be wrong about football but basketball has definitely had a decline. The ECAC can't fill all the spots it used to have for basketball postseason tournaments.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 16, 2015, 02:38:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2015, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on October 15, 2015, 08:19:29 PM
I was mistaken with my comment regarding ECAC bowls, and declining numbers. They're getting enough teams to fill their games, but are top level, just missed NCAA teams putting in for ECAC games?

You might be wrong about football but basketball has definitely had a decline. The ECAC can't fill all the spots it used to have for basketball postseason tournaments.

And other sports... basketball has combined regions because of the lack of numbers, men's volleyball barely had enough teams to host a single tournament and the top seed wasn't interested in hosting, that also happened in other sports. And while football has filled their bowl games, I believe the number of teams interested in playing has dropped - it just hasn't gotten to a number where making changes to the number of bowl games has been needed.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 16, 2015, 07:27:59 AM
I think the ECAC games would be a perfect fit for NESCAC teams since it's only definitively ONE more game. and it would expose them to other conferences. You hearing me you dusty old miserable NESCAC founding fathers? 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 16, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on October 15, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
The main issue with these games are that no one cares. All these teams thought they were NCAA bound until very often only 2-3 weeks before the game. Most players would rather just have the season end then have another week of practice in 30 or 40 degree weather just for a game that doesn't mean anything.

I've discussed this a couple different times on the boards over the years.  This is true for some teams but not all of them.  And yet, somehow it just gets perpetuated on these boards as how every team feels about ECAC games ("...no one cares...") when it's really how maybe 2 or 3 teams feel about ECAC games. 

First, let's pick apart this idea that "all these teams thought they were NCAA bound until very often 2-3 weeks before the game."  Because that's not true at all.  Let's look at last year's participants:

Albright: started the season 1-4 before rolling off five straight wins to close the regular season, then lost to Salisbury in the ECAC game.  Definitely did not think they were "playoff bound" - I think they were probably happy to get rewarded with an ECAC game, closing the season on a roll like that, they got a chance to play one more (hold this thought for a few minutes).

Salisbury: lost their first Empire 8 game of the season and was effectively eliminated with their second league loss (Ithaca) on 10/25, with four regular season games remaining.  Maybe started the season with playoff hopes, but they were quashed at least a month before the season ended.

Salve Regina: started off 2-4 before winning their last four regular-season games and then the bowl game vs. Norwich.  Definitely did not think they were playoff bound at any point.

Norwich: harbored faint playoff hopes with a few weeks to go, but was down a game to Husson and did not have H2H in their favor, would have needed Husson to lose twice in games that they knew they probably wouldn't.  Regardless, even if they did have playoff hopes, it's hard for me to believe the Norwich would turn up their noses at the ECAC because they weren't in the playoffs.

RPI: started 4-1 before losing three straight LL games in October.  Was effectively eliminated from playoffs with 10/18 loss to Rochester, again with 3 regular-season games to go.  RPI also has not been to the playoffs since 2003.  Again, I don't think those guys are sniffing down their noses at the ECAC because they expected playoffs.

Framingham State: actually did harbor playoff hopes through the season's last day and did not get picked in Pool B.  These guys might have been legitimately disappointed about missing the playoffs.  But the team photo on their website after the ECAC victory looks like a bunch of pretty happy guys.

Western Connecticut: finished 7-3, effectively eliminated from playoff contention with 9/27 loss to Framingham, definitely eliminated with 10/25 loss.  This program is two years removed from getting the **** kicked out of them every year in the NJAC.  I don't think they're unhappy about being in the ECAC instead of the playoffs.

Fisher: fits your description to the letter.  Next.

Utica: lost three straight E8 games in October and was eliminated from playoffs by 10/18 for sure (probably by 10/11).  This program has not played in the playoffs in the history of this website. 

Morrisville State: finished 8-2, but I think was technically alive for NJAC title on season's last day if Rowan had been upset by TCNJ.  Again, this program has never been to the postseason of any kind (in fact, they had never had a winning season).

Buffalo State: picked up second E8 loss on 10/25 and was definitely eliminated from playoffs on 11/1 if they weren't already.  Again: this team had not played in the postseason for at least a decade.

Waynesburg: one of the only other teams that actually kinda-sorta fits the bill here.  Was not technically eliminated from postseason until 11/1 loss to Thomas More, and has some nominal history of postseason appearances.

Look at that list again.  It's mostly teams that were eliminated from "playoff contention" by mid-October, and mostly teams with little if any postseason history.  There are maybe three teams on the list (Fisher, Salisbury, and Waynesburg) that genuinely would have reason to turn their noses up at an ECAC invitation because they have a real history of playoff appearances or success.  Most of these teams were probably delighted to get another game.  Here was Bengalsrule's post after their ECAC game last year:

Quote from: Bengalsrule on November 22, 2014, 06:00:14 PM
BENGALS finish 8-3 ( applause 😄)!! Many at 1300 Elmwood, and in buffalo ny, are very proud of the kids from Buff State. It's 1 of the few reasons that we've had to cheer this week after what we've been through.

I'm guessing that was the way it was for a lot of those teams.  Morrisville State (first winning season in school history), Albright (rallied from 1-4 to finish the season on a roll)...these guys would have been thrilled to get another game, not saying "Oh crap, we got knocked out of the playoffs with a week to go, guess we'd better put the sleds and pads away and call it quits for the year."
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I have related my own ECAC experience before on these boards.  I played for a Carnegie Mellon team that had been to the 2006 playoffs, returned a lot of key guys (two 1,000 yard rushers, four OL + TE, and six or seven defensive starters) and after starting 2-0 in 2007, we lost a string of close games.  We rallied to win our next couple games and became aware of the prospect of playing in an ECAC game with a week or two remaining in the season.  We ended up hosting Gettysburg and winning 21-20 with a fourth-quarter comeback and game-winning TD pass with 1:53 to go.  It remains one of my favorite memories from any level of football, and I have plenty of good ones.

To a man, the guys on our team were happy to have that game.  No "let's just be done" guys.  No "we should have been in the playoffs again" guys.  It was a chance to punctuate what felt like a special season, bonding together after a tough losing streak, and it's always one of the fun memories that we'll have from playing college football.  So I get very emotional when I see "didn't mean anything" thrown around to describe ECAC games.  It meant plenty to the guys playing in the game, especially the seniors; most of us stood around on the field for a good hour after the game was over, taking pictures, enjoying the memory.

The talk on these boards often mentions disinterested ECAC bowl participants who are bored by the whole thing, having just missed the playoffs.  And that's definitely a real thing that happens.  But it fees like we only ever hear that side of the story on these boards, and usually from fans with somewhat higher expectations (looking at you, Fisher guys)...

Quote from: middlerelief on November 22, 2014, 02:14:04 PM
SJF has made the NCAAs 5 times in 10 seasons -- ECACs are beneath the program in my opinion, and every season should be striving for the NCAAs and when they don't make it, it is a disappointment.

...who are frustrated themselves at missing the playoffs.  While it's possible that their team does meet the description above (thought they would be going to the playoffs, would rather just call it quits for the season), I do not think that represents the entirety, or even the majority, of the ECAC bowl participants  For every why-the-hell-are-we-doing-this-stupid-thing Fisher, there's a closed-on-a-winning-streak Albright or a happy-to-be-there Buffalo State that might be excited to give their seniors one last game and/or use the ECAC game as a chance to have some fun and maybe carry some momentum into next year.  Here's a really nice post from Bombers last year:

Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 24, 2014, 11:00:51 AM
But this weekend, I was framing some engagement photos that my fiancee and I took at Butterfield after the Salisbury game. And as I was doing that, I thought back to the preseason picnic, where Mike Welch announced our engagement to the coaching staff and welcomed the future Mrs. Bombers798891 to the Bomber football family, and how happy that made her. She talked about it for weeks. And I thought about how she'd feel if someone told her that she had to send a certain message to the team simply because they lost to Cortland. Because she would not have cared if the team went to an ECAC bowl game instead of the NCAAs. This season will always be special to her for reasons that didn't show up on that PTI clip of the Cortaca loss.

I mean, this is a ridiculously long post to write here, but I hate seeing this lazy "God, stupid ECAC games, no one cares about them" stuff every year.  I don't think the people writing that have actually talked to many kids who get to play in one of these games.  Fisher, I understand, clearly thinks they're above ECAC games (and their administration is welcome to stop putting in for them any time).  But at least three-quarters of last year's participants were either teams with no postseason history or teams that went on a late surge and probably were happy to get one more game.  The reality is a very, very far cry from "no one cares" and "all these teams thought they were going to the NCAA's until the last 2-3 weeks."
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Div3Fan on October 16, 2015, 10:05:02 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 15, 2015, 01:07:49 PM
Interesting decision by the ECAC to host all of their regional games in one spot -- Central Connecticut State.

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/ECAC_D3_FB_FEST_release_1

I really like the idea. We'll have to see how well it is executed and how it is received by the schools.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 16, 2015, 10:44:35 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 16, 2015, 07:27:59 AM
I think the ECAC games would be a perfect fit for NESCAC teams since it's only definitively ONE more game. and it would expose them to other conferences. You hearing me you dusty old miserable NESCAC founding fathers?

Great idea.  Of course if the NESCAC ever plays in an ECAC game, it shall from this point forward be known as the "Lewdogg11" Bowl.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on October 16, 2015, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 16, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on October 15, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
The main issue with these games are that no one cares. All these teams thought they were NCAA bound until very often only 2-3 weeks before the game. Most players would rather just have the season end then have another week of practice in 30 or 40 degree weather just for a game that doesn't mean anything.

I mean, this is a ridiculously long post to write here, but I hate seeing this lazy "God, stupid ECAC games, no one cares about them" stuff every year.  I don't think the people writing that have actually talked to many kids who get to play in one of these games.  Fisher, I understand, clearly thinks they're above ECAC games (and their administration is welcome to stop putting in for them any time).  But at least three-quarters of last year's participants were either teams with no postseason history or teams that went on a late surge and probably were happy to get one more game.  The reality is a very, very far cry from "no one cares" and "all these teams thought they were going to the NCAA's until the last 2-3 weeks."

Well stated, even if it did take you writing a book to say it. (Pep quoted the new abridged edition here). +K

Pep loves the idea that he can muster the band for one more game of "getting the fight song ready" and playing "On Saxon Warriors!!" And when recruiting, a program can boast that it "made the post-season," which is something to be proud about, particularly in the Empire 8.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on October 19, 2015, 09:04:30 AM
ECAC President & CEO Kevin McGuiness responded to our questions about the CCSU / D3FBFANFEST announcement from last week, you can read the responses on our Faceback page or tune in at the 50 min mark on the podcast:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ith/2015/10/19/in-the-huddlle--liberty-league-football-talk-show

Would you travel to Hartford to see your school play?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2015, 05:48:17 PM
When my team was Trinity, I absolutely would've traveled to Hartford to see them. :)

CCSU is in New Britain and the locals there can be sensitive about that. ;)

What's the link to your facebook page and radio show?  I'll definitely check them out.

Nevermind -- it's right there in your last post. Reading is fundamental.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2015, 10:25:41 AM
ITH Radio:

Nice job on the Q&A with the ECAC President. Given Frank's professional background, he doesn't need my advice on asking good follow up questions and you couldn't do any follow up questions with a written Q&A. But if you get a chance to follow up with McGuiness, I'd be curious to hear more about how much support this move has among South region members. His written response indicated that the Board supports the move. But if that's the ECAC general Board of Directors, there's not a single representative on the board who has a Division III football program.

http://www.ecacsports.com/inside/about/committees/board/index

I'd hope that they have a broader level of support among Division III than representatives from Southern Maine, Rutgers-Newark, Penn State-Altoona and the CUNYAC for moves involving football.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2015, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on October 19, 2015, 09:04:30 AM

Would you travel to Hartford to see your school play?

In late November? Ehh...

I mean, the trouble with moving games to a central location is that it raises so many travel issues given the time of year. It's one thing to freeze my butt off. It's another to do it and be facing a long ride home in the dark and snow. It'd have to be a really compelling matchup, or there's have to be some other reason; a senior closing in on a school record, for example.

I know half the schools travel anyway, but half is better than all
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2015, 11:03:49 AM
Yeah. I really question the wisdom unless you are going to get a lot of uninvolved local support. The Stagg works because a) it's a championship and people will travel for that on both sides and b) because like it or not, Salem really supports all their DIII championship events really well.

CCSU and it's community is going to have to do the same. They are going to have to make the atmosphere because an ECAC a) is not a culminating championship game and b) it's not going to get a lot of fans to travel on both sides.

I think it's always worth trying something different when an old idea starts to get stale, so I applaud the risk they are taking. I'm somewhat skeptical how well it is going to work out.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on October 20, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
Because I have way too much time on my hands, I took a look at the mapquest times from the schools who played in ECAC games last year to New Britan, CT---

RPI = 3hrs
Framingham = 1:37

Utica = 3:22
Morrisville = 4hrs

Norwich = 3:11
Salve = 1:53

West Conn = :53min
Fisher = 5:30

Beyond Fisher's trip, there's nothing too terrible for the "North teams"

For the south however, it gets bad:

Stevenson = 4:58
Albright= 4:07
Salisbury = 6:02
Bethany = 8:26
Buff State = 6:21
Waynesburg = 8:12

Obviously, there will be different teams playing in the games this year; but I can't see this move being a good one for the ECAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 20, 2015, 10:25:41 AM
ITH Radio:

Nice job on the Q&A with the ECAC President. Given Frank's professional background, he doesn't need my advice on asking good follow up questions and you couldn't do any follow up questions with a written Q&A. But if you get a chance to follow up with McGuiness, I'd be curious to hear more about how much support this move has among South region members. His written response indicated that the Board supports the move. But if that's the ECAC general Board of Directors, there's not a single representative on the board who has a Division III football program.

http://www.ecacsports.com/inside/about/committees/board/index

I'd hope that they have a broader level of support among Division III than representatives from Southern Maine, Rutgers-Newark, Penn State-Altoona and the CUNYAC for moves involving football.

I accept all the advice I can get, Gordon!  That said, that South-based line of questioning was definitely sitting out there for further discussion.  Thank you for quantifying the amount of South football member representation on the ECAC Board -- saves us some legwork for later on.  And thanks to NED3Guy for the mapping of last year's participants.  When we have the scheduling of the ECAC President firmed up, we'll seek questions from here and on Twitter for the interview.  For now, as I suggested on the podcast, the jury is out based on the amount of $$ sponsors chip in and the willingness of teams to drive many hours, even if the costs are defrayed.  I'm curious as to the ECAC's promised future announcements concerning some of these issues.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2015, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on October 20, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
Because I have way too much time on my hands, I took a look at the mapquest times from the schools who played in ECAC games last year to New Britan, CT---

Beyond Fisher's trip, there's nothing too terrible for the "North teams"


Disagree. Let's take Utica's 3-hour, 22-minute trip. You've got the following possibilities if you live in Utica:

1. If they get the 4 p.m. Friday game: Take time off from work
2. If they get the 8 p.m. Friday game: Either spend the night, or drive until about 2 a.m.
3. If they get the 5 p.m. Sunday game: Get home at about 11:30.

All of this in the Northeast, in the winter, where weather can easily add a lot of time to the equation.

The more I think about this, the more I think it's going to not going to work. That doesn't mean the attempt was a bad idea.As jkenezek said, the ECAC games are stale, there's nothing to lose by trying to shake things up. But overall, I don't think this is going to bring lifeblood to the games
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Div3Fan on October 20, 2015, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2015, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on October 20, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
Because I have way too much time on my hands, I took a look at the mapquest times from the schools who played in ECAC games last year to New Britan, CT---

Beyond Fisher's trip, there's nothing too terrible for the "North teams"


Disagree. Let's take Utica's 3-hour, 22-minute trip. You've got the following possibilities if you live in Utica:

1. If they get the 4 p.m. Friday game: Take time off from work
2. If they get the 8 p.m. Friday game: Either spend the night, or drive until about 2 a.m.
3. If they get the 5 p.m. Sunday game: Get home at about 11:30.

All of this in the Northeast, in the winter, where weather can easily add a lot of time to the equation.

The more I think about this, the more I think it's going to not going to work. That doesn't mean the attempt was a bad idea.As jkenezek said, the ECAC games are stale, there's nothing to lose by trying to shake things up. But overall, I don't think this is going to bring lifeblood to the games

For the most part, I agree with you. That being said, what can they do? We all can attest to the games becoming stale, so how can they remedy the situation?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2015, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: Div3Fan on October 20, 2015, 12:46:09 PM

For the most part, I agree with you. That being said, what can they do? We all can attest to the games becoming stale, so how can they remedy the situation?

Look, if this is just for the players, run it any way you want, but if we're talking about getting support for it from fans, if I were running it:

1. Two games, both on Saturday. Let's eliminate the absurdity of a 5 p.m. Sunday start or a 4 p.m. Friday start. We're D-III. An overwhelming majority of our games are played on Saturday. Let's not ask people to get home at midnight or take off work. One matchup of North teams, one of South. This would also help with:

2. Fewer teams playing I think part of what can make these games lose their luster are things like, I don't know, taking every E8 team that meets the qualifications. You're trying to sell me this is special and notable, but is it really if you're taking 14 (now 12) teams from a potential pool of what, 30? 40?

3. Work a bit to find storylines I'm sure there's some of this, but I'd do some digging to see "Hey, what else might be interesting in this matchup"?

Like, Fisher-Morrisville would be interesting, in part, because the Morrisville coach is a former Fisher QB. (I know they're conference mates, but the general principle here is more important than the specifics). Maybe there are two teams who both have all-region/conference QBs. Maybe the two teams met in the playoffs somewhat frequently over the years. Maybe there are two teams that always wanted to play each other, but never could.

You have to figure most students are a no go either way and most parents/family friends are a yes. So your untapped market is probably

(1) Longtime program supporters, who might get sucked in if you find the right storyline. For example, when Ithaca played Union in 1999, it was a big deal to some fans because they remembered the playoff games and how Ithaca had wanted for years for Union to play them. (I'm not sure what the attendance was—Frank, do you?)

(2) General football fans, who are going to want the best possible matchup you can deliver. That might mean the best teams, it might mean some all-americans or guys who are at the tops in D-III in something notable.

If you're putting 6-4 teams against each other, or teams with no history/connection to each other, well, of course you're going to draw flies.

If I'm being 100% realistic, we should just channel Mean Girls and stop trying to make the ECACs a thing. They're probably not ever going to be (for fans, at least. As ETP has pointed out, the game may have meaning for players.) It's the week of Thanksgiving, the weather can suck...like, it's okay if it stops.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Div3Fan on October 20, 2015, 02:25:41 PM
I really like the idea of less teams playing, and of course the games should be on Saturday.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2015, 02:33:49 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 20, 2015, 10:25:41 AM
ITH Radio:

Nice job on the Q&A with the ECAC President. Given Frank's professional background, he doesn't need my advice on asking good follow up questions and you couldn't do any follow up questions with a written Q&A. But if you get a chance to follow up with McGuiness, I'd be curious to hear more about how much support this move has among South region members. His written response indicated that the Board supports the move. But if that's the ECAC general Board of Directors, there's not a single representative on the board who has a Division III football program.

http://www.ecacsports.com/inside/about/committees/board/index

I'd hope that they have a broader level of support among Division III than representatives from Southern Maine, Rutgers-Newark, Penn State-Altoona and the CUNYAC for moves involving football.

I accept all the advice I can get, Gordon!  That said, that South-based line of questioning was definitely sitting out there for further discussion.  Thank you for quantifying the amount of South football member representation on the ECAC Board -- saves us some legwork for later on.  And thanks to NED3Guy for the mapping of last year's participants.  When we have the scheduling of the ECAC President firmed up, we'll seek questions from here and on Twitter for the interview.  For now, as I suggested on the podcast, the jury is out based on the amount of $$ sponsors chip in and the willingness of teams to drive many hours, even if the costs are defrayed.  I'm curious as to the ECAC's promised future announcements concerning some of these issues.

FYI - some of that southern representation may have changed, but isn't official on the ECAC site. There are a number of individuals listed as having their terms expire in "Fall 2015." Four of them in fact with two of those being Division III institutions. The ECAC just had their executive meetings a few weeks ago (the week the hockey announcements were being made), so those four seats could easily have been replaced then (I don't know the exact nature of ECAC executive meetings, but that's usually when board memberships run out - see NCAA Convention as an example) and haven't updated their website (shocking! I know!). Just those two DIIIs could have been replaced with Southern schools... though, again, not sure how two members would make for an indication of support from across the ECAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 02:35:54 PM
Bombers, I hope you got excited on October 10th when Fisher played Morrisville.   ;)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
I wonder if by standardizing where they are playing they can make better match ups. Seems to me some of the more intriguing match ups in the past might have been distance prohibitive. Now that they don't have that problem, maybe the match ups can be improved? Or maybe you can shift to a north versus south format and generate intrigue that way?

One way I'd try and do it is to try and create conference rivalries. I know it's hard because not everyone belongs and not all who belong apply, but if you could every year take the best team from say the E8 who agrees to play and always pit them against the best Centennial team or PAC team after a while it might become a conference brag issue and gain intensity that way. Figure you could try and create a New England Championship, or maybe a NY State ECAC championship, etc.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 02:35:54 PM
Bombers, I hope you got excited on October 10th when Fisher played Morrisville.   ;)

Why would I? I'm not a Fisher fan. If Josh Felicetti were coaching Morrisville, I'd be much more interested when Ithaca plays them. ;)

My point wasn't necessarily that Fisher-Morrisville would be a great matchup. It's just that, if you're trying to sell these games, you might want to look at something beyond the quality of the teams themselves. Are there other aspects to the game that might intriguing for fans of the teams playing? That was just an example I could come up with off the top of my head.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2015, 03:11:43 PM
QuoteFYI - some of that southern representation may have changed, but isn't official on the ECAC site. There are a number of individuals listed as having their terms expire in "Fall 2015." Four of them in fact with two of those being Division III institutions. The ECAC just had their executive meetings a few weeks ago (the week the hockey announcements were being made), so those four seats could easily have been replaced then (I don't know the exact nature of ECAC executive meetings, but that's usually when board memberships run out - see NCAA Convention as an example) and haven't updated their website (shocking! I know!). Just those two DIIIs could have been replaced with Southern schools... though, again, not sure how two members would make for an indication of support from across the ECAC.

Sure, though I don't know how involved the new board members would have been in reviewing and approving something released last week. I assume this was in the works for a least a few months.

FWIW I don't have a problem with the ECAC trying something different to pump life into the games. If it doesn't work, they can always go back to the old way later if they want to.

My take away from the written Q&A is that the ECAC will try very hard to get corporate sponsors to defray the additional travel costs.  I think they clearly understand the financial limitations of their members.

But I was less convinced by the response to the question whether this initiative has support among the southern or western most members of ECAC. The answer to that question sounded like someone responding to the question they wanted to answer (Does your board support it?) instead of the one that was actually asked (Do your members support it?). And if it's the same board as the one posted above -- the one with zero Division III football members on it -- citing board support is an extremely weak proxy for members support.

I also am not convinced the organization as a whole isn't trying to retrench its position and bolster support among New England members, given its historic strength there.  That's not something they could admit publicly and it may not even be a conscious decision at this point. But it's a reasonable strategy if they're trying redefine themselves in a changing landscape where schools and conferences have more ability to handle things like publicity and scheduling independent of the ECAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 20, 2015, 04:32:23 PM
Lot of interesting chatter on the last page here. 

Bombers, great points as always.  Just want that recognized.  I think you're onto something with the idea of just inviting fewer teams and looking for storylines, but I actually like jknezek's idea of trying to create conference rivalries a little better.  Maybe some people would find that corny.  Maybe SJF would take a crap in the ECAC's every other year because they're too cool for school after just missing the playoffs.  It does have its own issues, like not every team being a member, but if this was a serious consideration I think that would be cool. 

The MAC-NJAC bowl, the E8-LL bowl, the NEFC-ECFC bowl, and the PAC-Centennial bowl.  Something (roughly) like that seems viable (or you could totally switch the league matchups if you wanted to make it leagues that don't normally play each other much).  I haven't counted the number of leagues that have ECAC members, but if there were an even number of leagues like 8 or 10, all the better (and limiting it to one team per conference would slightly reduce the number of teams to a more reasonable ballpark).
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 04:49:22 PM
Why limit yourself?  I'd like to see #1 North vs. #1 South, and so on.  If we're getting all these teams together under one roof, the traditional regional nature of the Bowls should be out the window to create a real out-of-conference and out-of-locality challenge.  Wouldn't that create the best value of these Bowls ultimately?  When we line traditional D1 Bowls up, we tend to see conferences offer up equivalent levels of schools based on standings.  That's what could drive real interest here, even in the #6 vs. #6 game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on October 20, 2015, 05:06:35 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 20, 2015, 04:32:23 PM

The MAC-NJAC bowl, the E8-LL bowl, the NEFC-ECFC bowl, and the PAC-Centennial bowl.  Something (roughly) like that seems viable (or you could totally switch the league matchups if you wanted to make it leagues that don't normally play each other much).  I haven't counted the number of leagues that have ECAC members, but if there were an even number of leagues like 8 or 10, all the better (and limiting it to one team per conference would slightly reduce the number of teams to a more reasonable ballpark).

Love that idea of limiting it to 1 bowl bid per conference....and while maybe not every league member is an ECAC member, it'd add some prestige to earn your conferences lone bowl bid.

Wouldn't mind seeing the pre determined conference match-ups. It works at the D1 level, so why not do it for d3? Every region has their own mini rivalries between conferences anyways and given the expected conference shuffle that is bound to continue in the coming years, there's bound to be further debate about what conferences are better than others.

One big downside to that format would be the fact that it's hard to justify making Hobart and say, Alfred travel to CT to play each other.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2015, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 20, 2015, 04:32:23 PM


The MAC-NJAC bowl, the E8-LL bowl, the NEFC-ECFC bowl, and the PAC-Centennial bowl.  Something (roughly) like that seems viable (or you could totally switch the league matchups if you wanted to make it leagues that don't normally play each other much).  .

Isn't this a bit of a catch-22 though? The LL is probably the natural rival to the E8, and the NEFC to the ECFC, so that would make for arguably the most compelling matchup...except that's probably why these teams tend to play each other in the regular season. Of course, the flip side is, if you try like and E8/NJAC and LL/NEFC matchup, you're left trying to create a rivalry between two conferences using teams that might have little/no history, which is pretty hard.

Other thoughts:

1. I know this is usually frowned upon because it provides BB material, but why not ask the schools "Hey, is there a team you think your players/fans would like to see you go up against?"

2. Don't be afraid to troll (Ithaca @ Curry! Salisbury @ anyone who plays on grass!)

3. Tie it into something charitable, like the Courage Bowl does. Honestly, it's win-win. Good publicity, someone else benefits, you can expand your audience.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2015, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 04:49:22 PM
Why limit yourself?  I'd like to see #1 North vs. #1 South, and so on.  If we're getting all these teams together under one roof, the traditional regional nature of the Bowls should be out the window to create a real out-of-conference and out-of-locality challenge.  Wouldn't that create the best value of these Bowls ultimately?  When we line traditional D1 Bowls up, we tend to see conferences offer up equivalent levels of schools based on standings.  That's what could drive real interest here, even in the #6 vs. #6 game.

Do you remember in the past how the New England schools complained when they were set up with crossover games vs. the New York Region and all lost? That ended quickly.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Div3Fan on October 20, 2015, 06:32:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2015, 05:24:51 PM
Do you remember in the past how the New England schools complained when they were set up with crossover games vs. the New York Region and all lost? That ended quickly.

This was actually a thing? Wow.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 20, 2015, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2015, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 04:49:22 PM
Why limit yourself?  I'd like to see #1 North vs. #1 South, and so on.  If we're getting all these teams together under one roof, the traditional regional nature of the Bowls should be out the window to create a real out-of-conference and out-of-locality challenge.  Wouldn't that create the best value of these Bowls ultimately?  When we line traditional D1 Bowls up, we tend to see conferences offer up equivalent levels of schools based on standings.  That's what could drive real interest here, even in the #6 vs. #6 game.

Do you remember in the past how the New England schools complained when they were set up with crossover games vs. the New York Region and all lost? That ended quickly.

When was this?

Do you think the attitude is the same today?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 09:05:12 PM
I think Pat's point is meant to support mine -- that despite the complaints, it helped make the NE teams better because they realized what it took to improve (and began to up the ante with full-time coaches, better facilities, and better recruiting).  The next logical step to getting a better top-to-bottom East Region is to create crossovers that match up teams of supposed equal relative strength (at least based on ECAC regions) to assess where the teams fall and what they can do to improve.  Why are we matching up North #1 against North #6?  What does that really accomplish?  Mock real Bowls here and help make the Region better.

That said, to Gordon and Dave, I think the important answer we're overlooking is to the fifth question we asked about the ECAC's future in D3 athletics generally.  They made it clear that this move is being used as a template for other sports.  I question that move -- football didn't need this as much as the other sports that Dave pointed out.  Why not try this in basketball first to show it can salvage a tournament that may have had waning interest when it was placed always at the #1-seeds site with no real compensation for the traveling teams?  When you show the higher application rates/interest in a less expensive sport, then you prove there can be success in this Bowl maneuver that will improve an already decently robust number of applicants.  While they can indeed change it back next year, there is always a slight amount of permanent damage you can do to the event if you're not careful with what you're changing and the taste you leave in the membership's mouths.  As our question suggested, this move cannot be viewed in a vacuum based on the ECAC's position in D3 after the hockey debacle.  That, too, needs to be fleshed out when we have a chance to ask follow-up questions.  At least, for now, the ECAC has shown an understanding about the prior cost structure teams generally didn't like and are trying to fix that issue.  That's a good start, but like we said on the show, we're not sure about how effective this move will be absent large sponsors.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2015, 10:16:08 PM
Here are the results from crossover ECAC games between East and Northeast region teams, going back to the start of the current set up in 2002. The results were pretty ugly for the Northeast Region early on. While the games have been closer in recent years, the Northeast teams have just two wins (Framingham over RPI last year; Springfield over Alfred in 2012) and one if you drop Liberty League member Springfield.

2014
Framingham State 42, RPI 36 OT
St. John Fisher 28, Western Connecticut 14

2013
None

2012
St. John Fisher 63, Castleton 7
Springfield 31, Alfred 8

2011
Alfred 41, Bridgewater State 10

2010
None

2009
None

2008
St. John Fisher 17, Husson 7

2007
None

2006
None

2005
Alfred 63, Maine Maritime 20

2004
Alfred 36, Norwich 17
Ithaca 36, Mass-Dartmouth 19

2003
Hobart 34, Norwich 18

2002
Hartwick 69, Curry 14
RPI 55, Worcester State 29
Cortland State 30, Westfield State 7
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2015, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 09:05:12 PM
I think Pat's point is meant to support mine -- that despite the complaints, it helped make the NE teams better because they realized what it took to improve (and began to up the ante with full-time coaches, better facilities, and better recruiting). 

Actually, no, I'm sorry. It was meant to demonstrate that the schools in New England wanted to duck the upstate teams and the ECAC organization allowed it.

Thanks for the digging, Gordon. I thought it was more like 2006 or 2007. You can see the lack of crossover matchups since 2002.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 11:15:34 PM
That leaves out the regular season scheduling by teams like Salve Regina, Framingham St., and others who performed well in the last five years, though.  Again, you can't look at such matchups in a vacuum.  The risks have either been successful or close to it generally as the mindset of NE football has changed since the days of Curry's domination.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2015, 11:23:55 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 11:15:34 PM
That leaves out the regular season scheduling by teams like Salve Regina, Framingham St., and others who performed well in the last five years, though.  Again, you can't look at such matchups in a vacuum.  The risks have either been successful or close to it generally as the mindset of NE football has changed since the days of Curry's domination.

No doubt, but those are decisions by schools. I'm talking about the ECAC organization.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2015, 11:34:38 PM
QuoteThat leaves out the regular season scheduling by teams like Salve Regina, Framingham St., and others who performed well in the last five years, though.

Sure. I was intentionally focusing on ECAC games because that was the context for Pat's remarks and the questions that followed it. I'm not intentionally picking those results to make the Northeast teams look bad.

To answer an earlier question and support your point, I think that the gap between the top teams in the Northeast and the East has narrowed in recent years. Recent NCAA playoff results and the good regular season showings that you mentioned bear that out. To use the point of comparison I know best, a good team from New England would be very competitive with the second best team from the MAC this year, whomever that ends up being.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 21, 2015, 12:21:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2015, 11:23:55 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 20, 2015, 11:15:34 PM
That leaves out the regular season scheduling by teams like Salve Regina, Framingham St., and others who performed well in the last five years, though.  Again, you can't look at such matchups in a vacuum.  The risks have either been successful or close to it generally as the mindset of NE football has changed since the days of Curry's domination.

No doubt, but those are decisions by schools. I'm talking about the ECAC organization.

Yeah, but I don't really see why that's an issue. NE teams were playing upstate NY teams all the time in the regular season. Heck, W. Conn, Springfield, Norwich, and WPI were in leagues with them, never mind that teams like Utica and Hartwick were essentially building their OOC schedules around the Curry/Becker/Castleton/Husson's of the world.

If the NE schools (or any schools really) are saying they don't want to play upstate NY teams (or any schools really) not only should the ECACs not be criticized for allowing it, they should be praised.

What started this discussion, and a major problem the fans have with the ECACs is a perception (which is true to varying degrees)  that people and even teams don't care about the ECACs. Well, scheduling teams that don't want to play each other isn't going to help that.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2015, 12:27:29 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 21, 2015, 12:21:57 AM
Well, scheduling teams that don't want to play each other isn't going to help that.

Which is fine in a regular season game, but I think in a postseason game you shouldn't really have veto power over who you play. Wouldn't you think?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 21, 2015, 12:38:34 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2015, 12:27:29 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 21, 2015, 12:21:57 AM
Well, scheduling teams that don't want to play each other isn't going to help that.

Which is fine in a regular season game, but I think in a postseason game you shouldn't really have veto power over who you play. Wouldn't you think?

Except again, we're talking about a postseason game (really a series of them) that is struggling to generate interest and hype.  Not only that, it's totally voluntary. The ECAC can't order you to go, they have to hope you declare. Getting matchups teams are excited about is going to help with that.

Should there be a limit to how much bending over the ECAC does? Sure. And you may differ from me on where that limit is. But if I'm an AD, and I say to the ECAC, "We really don't want to play these schools" and you give one of them to us, I'm going to question if it's in our best interest to take part in it in the future.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:16:51 AM
Some of the comments here sound like they are coming from a bunch of babies.(Talking about you Bombers)  While it may be a disappointment that a team doesn't make the NCAA tournament, the ability to play an additional game is an honor for the players, and also, in the grand scheme of things it's 1 additional time to lace up your shoes and also an additional time for a team to play together.  There's are many reasons why you see the same teams in the final 4 each year here, but part of it can be attributed to the fact that they are getting to play 4-5 more games than every other team every single year.  Any 4 year players who have graduated from Mt. Union over the past 7 year got to play 15 games a year.  Breaking out my Texas Instruments calculator, that comes out to 20 more games than a 10 game schedule team with no post season over the course of a career.  ultimately, they are playing 6 seasons in 4 years.  If you don't think that is valuable, you are absolutely crazy.  Regardless of the opponents, take a look at last year's ECAC teams.  Some of them are the teams actually making some noise this year.  Maybe that one extra game gave some additional experience, or knowledge, or broke down a mental barrier that they are closer than they thought.  You have Albright, Salisbury, RPI, Framingham, Western NE, Stevenson, and even teams like Buff St and Utica have had some big wins.  The ECAC's might not generate a ton of excitement and they may never, but they are important if you want your team to improve year over year and they can change the mind frame of an entire team.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 07:25:18 AM
An AD in a D1 school doesn't have that ability if the school is bound by a conference affiliation in a particular Bowl Game (PAC-12 #3 vs. SEC #4, for instance).  The idea here is that you: 1) picked your conference and the competition inside it knowingly; and 2) scheduled your OOC opponents.  So, you've played in your wheelhouse for 10-12 games already that year.  You also wouldn't have the option to pick and choose your competition in the NCAA Tournament like that.  The whole intent of Bowl Games is to create compelling matchups to create a level of interest that will get fan bases excited enough to show up and spend money at a distinct location (that's basically the notion the ECAC has suggested in their answers to us Sunday).  What would be a more compelling matchup?

#1 North (Say, Hobart) vs. #6 North (Say, Western Connecticut)

Or

#1 North (Hobart) vs. #1 South (Rowan or DelVal)?

The first game could technically be scheduled any day based on location and school profile (Union scheduled WestConn).  The second game likely will never happen unless it were in the postseason.  Honestly, I'd like to see that second game.  The first game I wouldn't get very excited about if it were played in that scenario.  I think this can continue down the line for all six games with some level of excitement throughout, with Friday being the #4 and #3 matchups, Saturday showcasing the #5 and #2 matchups, and Sunday showcasing the #6 and #1 matchups to balance the weekend.

(EDIT: LD points out something we've discussed for years concerning why in a pool of 240 teams, we have seen such consistent dynasties in D3 over the years.  It's not just recruiting -- it's practice and level of play that continue to help those teams keep their locks on #1-#5 nationally.  Aside from Wesley, the East lacks any real cream rising to the top right now -- we have plenty of middle strength and depth, but nothing up top to get excited about.  If you want to get better as a region, you have to see teams step out of comfort zones and embrace strong opponents to help these teams kick it up a notch the next season.  This is coming from the guy who has been the biggest East Region cheerleader of the past decade on these boards -- some might be surprised about how down I am on the East right now.)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 21, 2015, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:16:51 AM
Some of the comments here sound like they are coming from a bunch of babies.(Talking about you Bombers)  While it may be a disappointment that a team doesn't make the NCAA tournament, the ability to play an additional game is an honor for the players, and also, in the grand scheme of things it's 1 additional time to lace up your shoes and also an additional time for a team to play together. 

Well, hey, thanks for the unprompted personal attack.

As has been stated numerous times, what fans think of the game and what players think of the game can, and probably are, two different things. Players may be super pumped to go, and that's great for them. Fans generally don't appear to be, for any number of reasons, and that's okay too.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:58:13 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 07:25:18 AM
An AD in a D1 school doesn't have that ability if the school is bound by a conference affiliation in a particular Bowl Game (PAC-12 #3 vs. SEC #4, for instance).  The idea here is that you: 1) picked your conference and the competition inside it knowingly; and 2) scheduled your OOC opponents.  So, you've played in your wheelhouse for 10-12 games already that year.  You also wouldn't have the option to pick and choose your competition in the NCAA Tournament like that.  The whole intent of Bowl Games is to create compelling matchups to create a level of interest that will get fan bases excited enough to show up and spend money at a distinct location (that's basically the notion the ECAC has suggested in their answers to us Sunday).  What would be a more compelling matchup?

#1 North (Say, Hobart) vs. #6 North (Say, Western Connecticut)

Or

#1 North (Hobart) vs. #1 South (Rowan or DelVal)?

The first game could technically be scheduled any day based on location and school profile (Union scheduled WestConn).  The second game likely will never happen unless it were in the postseason.  Honestly, I'd like to see that second game.  The first game I wouldn't get very excited about if it were played in that scenario.  I think this can continue down the line for all six games with some level of excitement throughout, with Friday being the #4 and #3 matchups, Saturday showcasing the #5 and #2 matchups, and Sunday showcasing the #6 and #1 matchups to balance the weekend.

(EDIT: LD points out something we've discussed for years concerning why in a pool of 240 teams, we have seen such consistent dynasties in D3 over the years.  It's not just recruiting -- it's practice and level of play that continue to help those teams keep their locks on #1-#5 nationally.  Aside from Wesley, the East lacks any real cream rising to the top right now -- we have plenty of middle strength and depth, but nothing up top to get excited about.  If you want to get better as a region, you have to see teams step out of comfort zones and embrace strong opponents to help these teams kick it up a notch the next season.  This is coming from the guy who has been the biggest East Region cheerleader of the past decade on these boards -- some might be surprised about how down I am on the East right now.)

You know you are going to get the lash back here of, what good does it do a team to beat up on an inferior opponent?  As far as i'm concerned, that's just as valuable.  Aside from execution and repetition, it also can give the team some fire that they either have a chip on their shoulder that they were wronged by the NCAA, or maybe the realization that if they work a little harder and show up for every game they play, maybe they can make that next step.  The ECACs are not the evil some people make them out to be. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:59:53 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 21, 2015, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:16:51 AM
Some of the comments here sound like they are coming from a bunch of babies.(Talking about you Bombers)  While it may be a disappointment that a team doesn't make the NCAA tournament, the ability to play an additional game is an honor for the players, and also, in the grand scheme of things it's 1 additional time to lace up your shoes and also an additional time for a team to play together. 

Well, hey, thanks for the unprompted personal attack.

As has been stated numerous times, what fans think of the game and what players think of the game can, and probably are, two different things. Players may be super pumped to go, and that's great for them. Fans generally don't appear to be, for any number of reasons, and that's okay too.

It wasn't a personal attack, it was a friendly jab.  Take those little panties and unbunch them.   Thanks -Management
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:58:13 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 07:25:18 AM
An AD in a D1 school doesn't have that ability if the school is bound by a conference affiliation in a particular Bowl Game (PAC-12 #3 vs. SEC #4, for instance).  The idea here is that you: 1) picked your conference and the competition inside it knowingly; and 2) scheduled your OOC opponents.  So, you've played in your wheelhouse for 10-12 games already that year.  You also wouldn't have the option to pick and choose your competition in the NCAA Tournament like that.  The whole intent of Bowl Games is to create compelling matchups to create a level of interest that will get fan bases excited enough to show up and spend money at a distinct location (that's basically the notion the ECAC has suggested in their answers to us Sunday).  What would be a more compelling matchup?

#1 North (Say, Hobart) vs. #6 North (Say, Western Connecticut)

Or

#1 North (Hobart) vs. #1 South (Rowan or DelVal)?

The first game could technically be scheduled any day based on location and school profile (Union scheduled WestConn).  The second game likely will never happen unless it were in the postseason.  Honestly, I'd like to see that second game.  The first game I wouldn't get very excited about if it were played in that scenario.  I think this can continue down the line for all six games with some level of excitement throughout, with Friday being the #4 and #3 matchups, Saturday showcasing the #5 and #2 matchups, and Sunday showcasing the #6 and #1 matchups to balance the weekend.

(EDIT: LD points out something we've discussed for years concerning why in a pool of 240 teams, we have seen such consistent dynasties in D3 over the years.  It's not just recruiting -- it's practice and level of play that continue to help those teams keep their locks on #1-#5 nationally.  Aside from Wesley, the East lacks any real cream rising to the top right now -- we have plenty of middle strength and depth, but nothing up top to get excited about.  If you want to get better as a region, you have to see teams step out of comfort zones and embrace strong opponents to help these teams kick it up a notch the next season.  This is coming from the guy who has been the biggest East Region cheerleader of the past decade on these boards -- some might be surprised about how down I am on the East right now.)

You know you are going to get the lash back here of, what good does it do a team to beat up on an inferior opponent?  As far as i'm concerned, that's just as valuable.  Aside from execution and repetition, it also can give the team some fire that they either have a chip on their shoulder that they were wronged by the NCAA, or maybe the realization that if they work a little harder and show up for every game they play, maybe they can make that next step.  The ECACs are not the evil some people make them out to be.

Understood, but my philosophy here is to assign teams to play teams that, at least on paper, are near them based on season performance.  It gives a good measure of who that team is at the end of the season and helps give coaches an assessment of what they're missing or whether or not their competition is strong enough in the regular season.  The 1 vs. 6 matchups just have never felt good because #1 can often be that team that felt slighted and is looking across at some school just excited to be included in the ECAC bunch.  You set up 1 vs. 1, and it automatically forces teams to shake off the hangover and get somewhat pumped about that next few days.  That's my thought, at least.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 21, 2015, 08:19:16 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:59:53 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 21, 2015, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:16:51 AM
Some of the comments here sound like they are coming from a bunch of babies.(Talking about you Bombers)  While it may be a disappointment that a team doesn't make the NCAA tournament, the ability to play an additional game is an honor for the players, and also, in the grand scheme of things it's 1 additional time to lace up your shoes and also an additional time for a team to play together. 

Well, hey, thanks for the unprompted personal attack.

As has been stated numerous times, what fans think of the game and what players think of the game can, and probably are, two different things. Players may be super pumped to go, and that's great for them. Fans generally don't appear to be, for any number of reasons, and that's okay too.

It wasn't a personal attack, it was a friendly jab.  Take those little panties and unbunch them.   Thanks -Management
::)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 21, 2015, 08:23:50 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 21, 2015, 07:58:13 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 07:25:18 AM
An AD in a D1 school doesn't have that ability if the school is bound by a conference affiliation in a particular Bowl Game (PAC-12 #3 vs. SEC #4, for instance).  The idea here is that you: 1) picked your conference and the competition inside it knowingly; and 2) scheduled your OOC opponents.  So, you've played in your wheelhouse for 10-12 games already that year.  You also wouldn't have the option to pick and choose your competition in the NCAA Tournament like that.  The whole intent of Bowl Games is to create compelling matchups to create a level of interest that will get fan bases excited enough to show up and spend money at a distinct location (that's basically the notion the ECAC has suggested in their answers to us Sunday).  What would be a more compelling matchup?

#1 North (Say, Hobart) vs. #6 North (Say, Western Connecticut)

Or

#1 North (Hobart) vs. #1 South (Rowan or DelVal)?

The first game could technically be scheduled any day based on location and school profile (Union scheduled WestConn).  The second game likely will never happen unless it were in the postseason.  Honestly, I'd like to see that second game.  The first game I wouldn't get very excited about if it were played in that scenario.  I think this can continue down the line for all six games with some level of excitement throughout, with Friday being the #4 and #3 matchups, Saturday showcasing the #5 and #2 matchups, and Sunday showcasing the #6 and #1 matchups to balance the weekend.

(EDIT: LD points out something we've discussed for years concerning why in a pool of 240 teams, we have seen such consistent dynasties in D3 over the years.  It's not just recruiting -- it's practice and level of play that continue to help those teams keep their locks on #1-#5 nationally.  Aside from Wesley, the East lacks any real cream rising to the top right now -- we have plenty of middle strength and depth, but nothing up top to get excited about.  If you want to get better as a region, you have to see teams step out of comfort zones and embrace strong opponents to help these teams kick it up a notch the next season.  This is coming from the guy who has been the biggest East Region cheerleader of the past decade on these boards -- some might be surprised about how down I am on the East right now.)

You know you are going to get the lash back here of, what good does it do a team to beat up on an inferior opponent?  As far as i'm concerned, that's just as valuable.  Aside from execution and repetition, it also can give the team some fire that they either have a chip on their shoulder that they were wronged by the NCAA, or maybe the realization that if they work a little harder and show up for every game they play, maybe they can make that next step.  The ECACs are not the evil some people make them out to be.

Understood, but my philosophy here is to assign teams to play teams that, at least on paper, are near them based on season performance.  It gives a good measure of who that team is at the end of the season and helps give coaches an assessment of what they're missing or whether or not their competition is strong enough in the regular season.  The 1 vs. 6 matchups just have never felt good because #1 can often be that team that felt slighted and is looking across at some school just excited to be included in the ECAC bunch.  You set up 1 vs. 1, and it automatically forces teams to shake off the hangover and get somewhat pumped about that next few days.  That's my thought, at least.

I get what you're saying, but who are you to decide how good a team is?  Maybe a New England team thinks they ARE as good as the NJAC, E8, or LL teams that just missed the playoffs.  The only way to know is on the field.  I don't think you should cherry pick matchups like that solely based on perception.  At the end of the day, it's all Division 3 football, not Divisions 3a, 3b, and 3c.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 09:36:19 AM
No, no, not perception.  They rank the teams currently from 1-6 in each subregion and matchup, to the extent possible, 1/6, 2/5, 3/4 in that subregion (no crossover except in one rare occasion for one game).  They're already serving this ranking function; my argument is to realign the matchups using those rankings.  The criteria are much like the NCAA Selection Committee's criteria.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Boxer7806 on October 21, 2015, 10:19:23 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 20, 2015, 10:16:08 PM
Here are the results from crossover ECAC games between East and Northeast region teams, going back to the start of the current set up in 2002. The results were pretty ugly for the Northeast Region early on. While the games have been closer in recent years, the Northeast teams have just two wins (Framingham over RPI last year; Springfield over Alfred in 2012) and one if you drop Liberty League member Springfield.

2014
Framingham State 42, RPI 36 OT
St. John Fisher 28, Western Connecticut 14

2013
None

2012
St. John Fisher 63, Castleton 7
Springfield 31, Alfred 8

2011
Alfred 41, Bridgewater State 10

2010
None

2009
None

2008
St. John Fisher 17, Husson 7

2007
None

2006
None

2005
Alfred 63, Maine Maritime 20

2004
Alfred 36, Norwich 17
Ithaca 36, Mass-Dartmouth 19

2003
Hobart 34, Norwich 18

2002
Hartwick 69, Curry 14
RPI 55, Worcester State 29
Cortland State 30, Westfield State 7

Good point here, also you said these teams are taking time to schedule tougher OOC games. 3 teams from the NEFC/MASAC that have been fairly regular participants in the ECAC games AND scheduled worthy OOC opponents are WNEC (Springfield, Union), Framingham St (Cortland, Rowan) and Bridgewater St (Willy P, Kean) in recent years, are also all atop their conferences. WNEC is the clear favorite in the NEFC and the winner of the MASCAC is going to come down to the Bridgewater vs Framingham game on November 7th.

Now not all of these opponents are created equal (Willy P and as of right now Union) but its a step in the right direction and its has paid dividends to play teams from stronger leagues, even if it is their cellar dwellers because lets face it, its a hell of a lot better competition then playing the cellar dwellers in the ECFC/NEFC/MASCAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 21, 2015, 12:14:56 PM
My two cents on the ECAC's

-  It's just a football game.  Let's not make this too complicated.  You either want to play in it or you don't. The rankings should mean less than travel costs/issues. The NE teams need to realize that they might end up playing a good E8 team that didn't make the playoffs.  In 2015 though, it shouldn't be a blowout.

-  I have no problem with upstate teams just playing upstate teams they hadn't played in the regular season.  No reason to go from Ithaca to Bangor, Maine when you can just go to Troy or Canton.

- I don't mind the neutral site because chances are I live closer to that neutral site, and maybe more of the student body will too (if the games are during break).  I would go to New Britain for an Ithaca game over Ithaca, especially an ECAC game.

-  Speaking of New Britain, that place is blah-ville.  Why not have it someplace where there is something to do, like NYC or Boston, or even Philly.  Then the teams can stay overnight before and at least have some sort of experience out of the game/trip.

-  Move the Stagg Bowl to Florida.

That is all.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on October 21, 2015, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 21, 2015, 12:14:56 PM

-  Speaking of New Britain, that place is blah-ville.  Why not have it someplace where there is something to do, like NYC or Boston, or even Philly.  Then the teams can stay overnight before and at least have some sort of experience out of the game/trip.



Because these places are really expensive to stay over night and you still need a facility to host. CCSU might have been central enough and the only volunteer? I don't know, but if you want to stay in or really close to one of the I95 cities you can triple your hotel and meal budget...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 21, 2015, 12:35:09 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 21, 2015, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 21, 2015, 12:14:56 PM

-  Speaking of New Britain, that place is blah-ville.  Why not have it someplace where there is something to do, like NYC or Boston, or even Philly.  Then the teams can stay overnight before and at least have some sort of experience out of the game/trip.



Because these places are really expensive to stay over night and you still need a facility to host. CCSU might have been central enough and the only volunteer? I don't know, but if you want to stay in or really close to one of the I95 cities you can triple your hotel and meal budget...

There are hotels 30 minutes from downtown Boston that will cost as much as a New Britain Hotel, as for the hosting, I'm not sure.  I guess its time for places to step up.  Although I agree that not many people will go to Curry College to see an SJF/Westfield State football game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 21, 2015, 03:51:34 PM
Don't forget practice facilities and enough locker rooms. Just because a place like Boston or NYC is bigger doesn't mean it has more locations that can be used. Also, the host has to have the ability to accommodate the teams. Per basketball in my region: Stevenson is far better situated to host a massive basketball tournament than Goucher because of locker rooms.

Back to moving it to a big city, we have seen time and time again that D3 "events" get swallowed up in big cities. Why head to a big city if you are just a blip on the radar. Salem has worked time and time again because the game(s) isn't a blip on the radar.

All and all, I see this move from the ECAC as an attempt to keep Division III interested in staying on board. I agree with Frank, though, that this is the wrong target. Basketball, volleyball, and other sports that have seen steep declines in post-season teams and hosting interest are the real problem - not football. Furthermore, most of the schools that have been interested in those other sports post-season play don't necessarily have football and thus this move doesn't mean a thing to them. There are bigger fish to fry in the ECAC and this seems like smoke and mirrors. Furthermore, I know of some southern schools who are trying to wield some influence and I think they believe they have some with the ECAC - this move doesn't exactly make me believe they either have that influence or the ECAC is paying attention. It is going to be a very interesting year for the ECAC. There are strong indications from those close to it that it could be the ECAC's last as we know it (with Division III involved) unless they do more than this with football.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
The ECAC Bowl Declaration Form has been amended, and I have to say that the details don't really thrill me:

Participation Incentives

Each participating institution will receive the following:

-Transportation to and from competition (Contact information will be provided on Selection Monday and will be booked by individual institutions)

-Post Game Meal

-Commemorative Championship T-shirt for team and coaching staff

-U-ADE sport specific formula packet + official wristband for each student-athlete

-Student-Athlete participation gift

Squad Size

The ECAC will adhere to NCAA policies regarding team sport travel guidelines.
Travel Party: 61
Max Team Size: 58


Committment of Declaration

By submitting this form, if you are selected to participate you are agreeing to the following:

-Institution agrees be available to play on any of the three dates at any of the given times listed above under Championship Dates/Times

-Institution agrees to sell a minimum of 300 tickets at $10 per ticket

-Institution agrees to provide proper staffing for their own will-call table at ticket booth

-Institution is responsible for own lodging arrangements (where applicable) and agrees to stay at Host Hotel (information to be provided on Selection Monday)

(Edited out remaining administrative requirements)

So, hotel stays (probably around $3,500 per team) and pre-game meals on the road are not covered.  In addition, a $3,000 revenue guarantee is being forced, as well as some will-call staffing.  What are your thought on these new details?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 21, 2015, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
The ECAC Bowl Declaration Form has been amended, and I have to say that the details don't really thrill me:

Participation Incentives

Each participating institution will receive the following:

-Transportation to and from competition (Contact information will be provided on Selection Monday and will be booked by individual institutions)

-Post Game Meal

-Commemorative Championship T-shirt for team and coaching staff

-U-ADE sport specific formula packet + official wristband for each student-athlete

-Student-Athlete participation gift

Squad Size

The ECAC will adhere to NCAA policies regarding team sport travel guidelines.
Travel Party: 61
Max Team Size: 58


Committment of Declaration

By submitting this form, if you are selected to participate you are agreeing to the following:

-Institution agrees be available to play on any of the three dates at any of the given times listed above under Championship Dates/Times

-Institution agrees to sell a minimum of 300 tickets at $10 per ticket

-Institution agrees to provide proper staffing for their own will-call table at ticket booth

-Institution is responsible for own lodging arrangements (where applicable) and agrees to stay at Host Hotel (information to be provided on Selection Monday)

(Edited out remaining administrative requirements)

So, hotel stays (probably around $3,500 per team) and pre-game meals on the road are not covered.  In addition, a $3,000 revenue guarantee is being forced, as well as some will-call staffing.  What are your thought on these new details?

Well what is the big change from the old ECAC bid process?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on October 21, 2015, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 21, 2015, 03:51:34 PM
Don't forget practice facilities and enough locker rooms. Just because a place like Boston or NYC is bigger doesn't mean it has more locations that can be used. Also, the host has to have the ability to accommodate the teams. Per basketball in my region: Stevenson is far better situated to host a massive basketball tournament than Goucher because of locker rooms.

Back to moving it to a big city, we have seen time and time again that D3 "events" get swallowed up in big cities. Why head to a big city if you are just a blip on the radar. Salem has worked time and time again because the game(s) isn't a blip on the radar.

All and all, I see this move from the ECAC as an attempt to keep Division III interested in staying on board. I agree with Frank, though, that this is the wrong target. Basketball, volleyball, and other sports that have seen steep declines in post-season teams and hosting interest are the real problem - not football. Furthermore, most of the schools that have been interested in those other sports post-season play don't necessarily have football and thus this move doesn't mean a thing to them. There are bigger fish to fry in the ECAC and this seems like smoke and mirrors. Furthermore, I know of some southern schools who are trying to wield some influence and I think they believe they have some with the ECAC - this move doesn't exactly make me believe they either have that influence or the ECAC is paying attention. It is going to be a very interesting year for the ECAC. There are strong indications from those close to it that it could be the ECAC's last as we know it (with Division III involved) unless they do more than this with football.

Alfred football has always welcomed an ECAC football bowl game, preferably hosting, of course. But traveling was always a good experience as well because Alfred alums are most everywhere.

Alfred men's basketball in 2015, however, just missing an NCAA bid when host St. John Fisher pulled away down the stretch in the E8 title game, was one of only a few Upstate NY (northern) teams to declare for the ECAC tournament. AU, if it agreed to participate, would need to travel to southern Pennsylvania and play against Southern teams. Had there been enough Upstate teams declared, AU would likely have hosted, having finished at 19-8.

The Saxons (18-8) had traveled to Huntingdon, PA in 2014 and played Juniata (15-10) in the ECAC Southwest Quarterfinals. And, Pep (guessing here) is thinking the Saxons likely voted that they'd gladly host an ECAC tournament but did not care to travel to southern Pennsylvania again, with mid-term exams looming.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 21, 2015, 09:59:58 PM
AU is an exception... basketball has seen two "regions" combined into one the last two years because there weren't enough teams, field hockey has seen schools ranked #7 in the tournament host because others weren't interested (or able), and men's volleyball saw only four teams last year and the top seed didn't want to host.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 21, 2015, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
The ECAC Bowl Declaration Form has been amended, and I have to say that the details don't really thrill me:

Participation Incentives

Each participating institution will receive the following:

-Transportation to and from competition (Contact information will be provided on Selection Monday and will be booked by individual institutions)

-Post Game Meal

-Commemorative Championship T-shirt for team and coaching staff

-U-ADE sport specific formula packet + official wristband for each student-athlete

-Student-Athlete participation gift

Squad Size

The ECAC will adhere to NCAA policies regarding team sport travel guidelines.
Travel Party: 61
Max Team Size: 58


Committment of Declaration

By submitting this form, if you are selected to participate you are agreeing to the following:

-Institution agrees be available to play on any of the three dates at any of the given times listed above under Championship Dates/Times

-Institution agrees to sell a minimum of 300 tickets at $10 per ticket

-Institution agrees to provide proper staffing for their own will-call table at ticket booth

-Institution is responsible for own lodging arrangements (where applicable) and agrees to stay at Host Hotel (information to be provided on Selection Monday)

(Edited out remaining administrative requirements)

So, hotel stays (probably around $3,500 per team) and pre-game meals on the road are not covered.  In addition, a $3,000 revenue guarantee is being forced, as well as some will-call staffing.  What are your thought on these new details?

Well what is the big change from the old ECAC bid process?

Gate guarantee at a far away location ($3,000 guarantee per school), meals on the road costing a premium, guaranteed hotel stay for most teams, still some administrative costs for will-call operations.  Gameday administration costs are likely less than the $7,000 risk schools that need to stay at a hotel would face.  Gate split in the old method would likely cover some admin expenses and some share of the travel expenses because crowds would be larger at home venues.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 22, 2015, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 21, 2015, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 21, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
The ECAC Bowl Declaration Form has been amended, and I have to say that the details don't really thrill me:

Participation Incentives

Each participating institution will receive the following:

-Transportation to and from competition (Contact information will be provided on Selection Monday and will be booked by individual institutions)

-Post Game Meal

-Commemorative Championship T-shirt for team and coaching staff

-U-ADE sport specific formula packet + official wristband for each student-athlete

-Student-Athlete participation gift

Squad Size

The ECAC will adhere to NCAA policies regarding team sport travel guidelines.
Travel Party: 61
Max Team Size: 58


Committment of Declaration

By submitting this form, if you are selected to participate you are agreeing to the following:

-Institution agrees be available to play on any of the three dates at any of the given times listed above under Championship Dates/Times

-Institution agrees to sell a minimum of 300 tickets at $10 per ticket

-Institution agrees to provide proper staffing for their own will-call table at ticket booth

-Institution is responsible for own lodging arrangements (where applicable) and agrees to stay at Host Hotel (information to be provided on Selection Monday)

(Edited out remaining administrative requirements)

So, hotel stays (probably around $3,500 per team) and pre-game meals on the road are not covered.  In addition, a $3,000 revenue guarantee is being forced, as well as some will-call staffing.  What are your thought on these new details?

Well what is the big change from the old ECAC bid process?

Gate guarantee at a far away location ($3,000 guarantee per school), meals on the road costing a premium, guaranteed hotel stay for most teams, still some administrative costs for will-call operations.  Gameday administration costs are likely less than the $7,000 risk schools that need to stay at a hotel would face.  Gate split in the old method would likely cover some admin expenses and some share of the travel expenses because crowds would be larger at home venues.

I think if you threw in a couple of Paul Bunyon hats for the kids, the new deal looks pretty good.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 22, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
FYI - one thing to consider... these football schools are getting two month warning on a budget expenditure they didn't consider when they were putting their budgets together in late spring through June. That doesn't usually sit well with athletic departments and schools. Had they all gotten a year's advance warning, they could all plan accordingly. Two months? That might result in some schools skipping out this year strictly because they don't have it in the budget for all those added expenditures.

Another thing... while transportation is now being covered... I would argue the $3,000 guarantee of ticket purchases washes that out. Sure, schools could sell their allotment and make some money back (or cover what they paid out of pocket), but we all know schools who like to give away tickets to their students as a way to get them to the game(s) they wouldn't go to otherwise.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 22, 2015, 09:36:39 PM
I don't believe freebies have been allowed for ECAC Bowls for quite some time.  Otherwise, I agree with you fully, Dave.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Tags on October 22, 2015, 09:54:55 PM
Who is this Frank Rossi guy anyway?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 22, 2015, 09:55:40 PM
Freebies allowed? Not following you.

If you mean free tickets to students... I would think it doesn't matter. If a school pays $3,000 for the tickets... they can do what they want with them afterward. If that means giving tickets to the students for the game, they are welcome to do that - it's their tickets; they paid for them.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2015, 10:29:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 22, 2015, 09:55:40 PM
Freebies allowed? Not following you.

If you mean free tickets to students... I would think it doesn't matter. If a school pays $3,000 for the tickets... they can do what they want with them afterward. If that means giving tickets to the students for the game, they are welcome to do that - it's their tickets; they paid for them.

Bingo. Exactly. Of course, getting 300 people to come to Connecticut from lots of places in the ECAC is another story.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 23, 2015, 03:33:08 AM
The conditions look to me like another sign that these changes are really about the ECAC strengthening its base in New England.

Giving the schools free transportation is nice, but a lot of good programs probably had some sort of travel contingency built into their budget for a possible game in Week 11 anyway. They would've needed a bus for any type of road game, whether it was four hours or 20 minutes away. So it's a nice gesture that's less meaningful for the schools who are now more likely to incur hotel costs.

The 300 ticket guarantee, if that's something new, might be a little harder to swallow since the ECAC is asking teams to guarantee a gate when the ECAC isn't giving the schools the date or time for the game. Most sporting events that require someone to purchase a ticket without knowing exactly when the game will be played involve situations where the demand for seats outpaces the supply of them. That's not going to be the case in any of these games.

But the mandatory gate is a little less of a concern if the game is within easy driving distance of the participating schools' students and their parents. A lot of the New England schools who participate in these games have pretty regional student bodies and New Britain is reasonably accessible for people who might be driving home that weekend for Thanksgiving anyway. That's far less likely for ECAC south or Western New York members whose student body comes from their local areas.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 23, 2015, 07:18:16 AM
I'm trying to use 'new math' here with some estimating properties.  If at RPI, there are 100 kids on the football team, and tuition is roughly $60,000 annually, it would be reasonable to say the Institution is making $6,000,000/year on just football players.  Let's say going to an ECAC game costs $10,000.  $6,000,000 - $10,000 = 5,990,000. 

Now I know budgets don't necessarily work this way, but I have to laugh in the face of any college leaders who say they 'can't afford it'.  Everyone can afford it, it's whether or not they want to support their student/athletes.  For the cost of the ECAC game, they can just cancel the weekly leadership brunch/mixer that weekend.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on October 23, 2015, 07:47:32 AM
Quote from: Tags on October 22, 2015, 09:54:55 PM
Who is this Frank Rossi guy anyway?

Who is this Tags guy anyway? And what the heck does that quote at the end of his post mean? +K
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Div3Fan on October 23, 2015, 09:46:09 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 23, 2015, 07:18:16 AM
I'm trying to us 'new math' here with some estimating properties.  If at RPI, there are 100 kids on the football team, and tuition is roughly $60,000 annually, it would be reasonable to say the Institution is making $6,000,000/year on just football players.  Let's say going to an ECAC game costs $10,000.  $6,000,000 - $10,000 = 5,990,000. 

Now I know budgets don't necessarily work this way, but I have to laugh in the face of any college leaders who say they 'can't afford it'.  Everyone can afford it, it's whether or not they want to support their student/athletes.  For the cost of the ECAC game, they can just cancel the weekly leadership brunch/mixer that weekend.

But what about administrators? It would be unfair to them and their ballooning salaries if some football players got to go to a post-season game.  :)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 23, 2015, 10:48:23 AM
For the record, RPI has never ducked out on ECAC games so this wasn't directed there, just strictly an example.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 23, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: Tags on October 22, 2015, 09:54:55 PM
Who is this Frank Rossi guy anyway?

You worst nightmare, Tags... But you knew that already, Sir.   :P
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 23, 2015, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 22, 2015, 09:55:40 PM
Freebies allowed? Not following you.

If you mean free tickets to students... I would think it doesn't matter. If a school pays $3,000 for the tickets... they can do what they want with them afterward. If that means giving tickets to the students for the game, they are welcome to do that - it's their tickets; they paid for them.

They won't be doing that, and my statement was that the ECAC did not permit schools to give away any tickets when they were being held at home sites -- I believe that extended to students.

Also, they put out a press release today -- the mandatory hotel is charging $150/night for double occupancy.  What a deal... Ouch.

LD - Ask your program, and Union's and St. Lawrence's, how much money Men's and Women's D1 Ice Hockey is costing them per year.  I think it's an eye-opening issue in terms of looking at budgets and why those other two schools have shied away from the ECAC expenses of late.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2015, 11:02:23 AM
With all due respect to the distinguished gentleman from Hartford/Philadelphia, all schools should already have a Week 11 travel plan. It's Week 12 that's the question here. :)

Frank, if a school purchases the tickets, what does the ECAC care if they give them to people? The ECAC has their money and people are in the stands. That model works for the NCAA just fine -- why would the ECAC force schools to have an even higher standard?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 23, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2015, 11:02:23 AM
With all due respect to the distinguished gentleman from Hartford/Philadelphia, all schools should already have a Week 11 travel plan. It's Week 12 that's the question here. :)

Frank, if a school purchases the tickets, what does the ECAC care if they give them to people? The ECAC has their money and people are in the stands. That model works for the NCAA just fine -- why would the ECAC force schools to have an even higher standard?

I'm stating that the school is not going to be just handing those tickets over in this circumstance.  Union is even stingy with freebies for the NCAA Hockey Tournament because it's an unbudgeted expense and actually has historically been income-negative.  My point here is that the schools are not going to pay $3,000 for tickets and just make them rain on the student body -- not that the ECAC will forbid it under the new formula.  If the same schools weren't buying tickets at home venues for the students, why would they now?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 23, 2015, 11:13:53 AM
QuoteI'm trying to use 'new math' here with some estimating properties.  If at RPI, there are 100 kids on the football team, and tuition is roughly $60,000 annually, it would be reasonable to say the Institution is making $6,000,000/year on just football players.  Let's say going to an ECAC game costs $10,000.  $6,000,000 - $10,000 = 5,990,000. 

I think I understand your point. It's reminiscent of the quote that Mount Union fans frequently attributed to Larry Kehres. Something to the effect of, "The players are investing a lot to be here. We can at least give him a ham sandwich and a spot on the roster."

And while schools are spending a lot of that $6 million in your example on things other than football games, I get your point that an additional $10,000 cost in the school's overall budget is peanuts. For some schools I would view any complaints about added costs related to the ECAC games with cynicism. If any NESCAC school or those with similarly large endowments and fund raising vehicles said they couldn't afford to participate in ECACs, I'd call BS. Raising $10,000 for an ECAC game is something they could do in a matter of hours.

But I can tell you from getting to know administrators in some of these regional colleges with more modest endowments, adding $10,000 is hard to do, particularly once department budgets have already been set. There are a lot of schools that are very cost conscious about administrative aspects of athletics -- staffing, game day expenses, facility improvements, travel budgets -- and I presume that's because they have to be. The institution has made a decision to spend a certain amount on athletics and, within that budget, certain amounts on individual sports. And then someone decides how to spend that money on individual needs within each sport.  So the $10,000 added cost gets balanced against the need for say, assistant coaches or some football field upkeep expenses, not the institution's much, much larger budget.

If the situation were reversed -- say, the ECAC were a Philadelphia-based organization and told the New England schools that all games would be hosted at West Chester University -- I would expect the New England members who are already trying to find money for full-time assistants would have to pass. I expect the same thing will happen here.

At the end of the day, this isn't a cataclysmic event or a supreme injustice. As Johnny Utah said, it's just a football game. It's a postseason opportunity that three of four regions in Division III football already don't have. The ECAC has a right to do what it thinks is best for itself as an organization. The member schools do too. If that results in a loss of ECAC games for some teams, it's not the end of the world. But it's kind of a bummer for some of these programs to learn that midway through the season.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2015, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 23, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
I'm stating that the school is not going to be just handing those tickets over in this circumstance.  Union is even stingy with freebies for the NCAA Hockey Tournament because it's an unbudgeted expense and actually has historically been income-negative.  My point here is that the schools are not going to pay $3,000 for tickets and just make them rain on the student body -- not that the ECAC will forbid it under the new formula.  If the same schools weren't buying tickets at home venues for the students, why would they now?

Gotcha. I'm not saying they would, but you were making it sound like they couldn't.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 23, 2015, 11:27:44 AM
All I was trying to do was show that I don't understand this 'new math' as they call it.  Sorry to cause any controversy.  103-28 = 70 in new math so it's obviously no longer science.  My entire life appears to be wrong(although scientifically right).  <That dust coming off your screen is Einstein rolling over in his grave while college presidents re-up their Amazon Prime accounts to get some free 2 day delivery on cat food>

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on October 23, 2015, 12:40:34 PM
Quote<That dust coming off your screen is Einstein rolling over in his grave while college presidents re-up their Amazon Prime accounts to get some free 2 day delivery on cat food>

That's why I love you. :)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on October 23, 2015, 04:14:40 PM
The $150 room rate that the ECAC is advertising as being "discounted" is actually more than it would cost somebody to book a room through their website: http://www.marriott.com/reservation/rateListMenu.mi

"Additionally, the ECAC has secured a discount rate at the Farmington Marriott for teams that require over-night lodging. The $150 rate is for double-occupancy and includes a full hot breakfast. " .....hmmm seems like a lot of negotiation went into securing that rate.

Am I correct in reading that teams who need overnight accommodations must stay at this hotel, based on the agreement they make in signing the declaration form? 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2015, 04:33:32 PM
Well, the rate with breakfast appears to be $165, so it is a little lower, but not a huge amount.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
I heard that rate quoted to me just the other day in a conversation with someone who is familiar with the situation. I suspect they will have to stay at that location... though, can that hotel handle, what is it, six teams which will be carrying at least 61 people (maybe more if the schools choose to bring more players to at least watch)? We are talking a minimum of 190 rooms! Their website doesn't seem to indicate their capacity.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 24, 2015, 02:38:26 AM
As I stated Thursday, the ECAC is forcing a stay at that particular hotel if any local stay is required.  There is also a likelihood that they'll schedule games in a way that at least a couple local teams play each day for a number of reasons.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on October 24, 2015, 08:28:36 AM
Don't like the idea of a forced stay at a designated hotel that's rated 3-star but priced at 5-star. Has anyone read some of the reviews? This is a huge old hotel "with wings" in an out-of-the-way place. Nowhere does it say how many rooms there are, but one review complained that their business group's multiple rooms were in opposite wings and he swears they were in a different time zone. Here are some recent reviews:

I was really disappointed in my stay here. For one thing the rooms look like they haven't been updated in 20 years, but my main issue is you're spending $200+ dollars a night and they don't even have a continental breakfast included! I've stayed in far cheaper hotels that include a very nice breakfast (ex. Sheraton in Rocky Hill CT). As a side note, we found a frog in our bathroom, and while they hotel staff was sympathetic and gave us half off our room, they should probably look into this! --Barbara G. 10/16/2015

This is the most odd Marriott I've ever been to in my life. First, it looks like an old hunting lodge and that's very off-putting. We drove up, and if it weren't for the sign, we would've definitely thought we had the wrong address.The customer service is fine and it has the standard bar and lobby set up, but there were rooms on the first floor, which felt weird. Our door was jammed and required excessive force every time just to get it open. There's only free wifi in the lobby and it costs $10 per day in the rooms. Avoid if you can, not the best.  --Morgan B. 10/18/15

BED BUGS!!!! My husband was here for a corporate business trip and stayed 3 nights.  On the 2nd day he noticed his lower legs were covered w small red bites.  I have seen bed bug bites before as I am a nurse.  He notified the front desk and was moved to another room for his remaining night.  He was contacted by the general manager , Dino who was not apologetic but seemingly defensive in his delivery. Suggesting he had good news. Disingenuously courteous, he told him there were no bed bugs!  My husband has attempted to contact Dino to make sure they checked his original room and not the room he was moved to but our calls have not been returned.  We had to dispose of his new suitcase and I am still treating his bites.  The bed bugs were bad enough but the rude treatment was not.  As I said this was a corporate trip w many rooms booked.  His company will not be using this hotel in the future.  --Kelly N. 8/8/2015

Was the Overlook Hotel not available?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2015, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 24, 2015, 08:28:36 AM
Don't like the idea of a forced stay at a designated hotel that's rated 3-star but priced at 5-star. Has anyone read some of the reviews? This is a huge old hotel "with wings" in an out-of-the-way place. Nowhere does it say how many rooms there are, but one review complained that their business group's multiple rooms were in opposite wings and he swears they were in a different time zone. Here are some recent reviews:

I was really disappointed in my stay here. For one thing the rooms look like they haven't been updated in 20 years, but my main issue is you're spending $200+ dollars a night and they don't even have a continental breakfast included! I've stayed in far cheaper hotels that include a very nice breakfast (ex. Sheraton in Rocky Hill CT). As a side note, we found a frog in our bathroom, and while they hotel staff was sympathetic and gave us half off our room, they should probably look into this! --Barbara G. 10/16/2015

This is the most odd Marriott I've ever been to in my life. First, it looks like an old hunting lodge and that's very off-putting. We drove up, and if it weren't for the sign, we would've definitely thought we had the wrong address.The customer service is fine and it has the standard bar and lobby set up, but there were rooms on the first floor, which felt weird. Our door was jammed and required excessive force every time just to get it open. There's only free wifi in the lobby and it costs $10 per day in the rooms. Avoid if you can, not the best.  --Morgan B. 10/18/15

BED BUGS!!!! My husband was here for a corporate business trip and stayed 3 nights.  On the 2nd day he noticed his lower legs were covered w small red bites.  I have seen bed bug bites before as I am a nurse.  He notified the front desk and was moved to another room for his remaining night.  He was contacted by the general manager , Dino who was not apologetic but seemingly defensive in his delivery. Suggesting he had good news. Disingenuously courteous, he told him there were no bed bugs!  My husband has attempted to contact Dino to make sure they checked his original room and not the room he was moved to but our calls have not been returned.  We had to dispose of his new suitcase and I am still treating his bites.  The bed bugs were bad enough but the rude treatment was not.  As I said this was a corporate trip w many rooms booked.  His company will not be using this hotel in the future.  --Kelly N. 8/8/2015

Was the Overlook Hotel not available?

This is going to be a disaster of epic proportions..........closer to the Hindenburg than the Titanic though  :-\
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 24, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
FROGS!!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 24, 2015, 05:11:45 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 24, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
FROGS!!!!

...and this was the day D3football.com readers caused the ECAC Bowl games and the conference's involvement in Division 3 athletics to croak.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3viewer on October 24, 2015, 06:24:03 PM
Did the reviews says anything about the rooms being more murdery than expected..?
http://www.funnyplace.org/stream/hotels-com-creepy-room-23387/
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on October 29, 2015, 07:00:19 PM
Starting to see teams show up on the declared teams list on ecac website. http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/Declared_Teams_10-29-15.pdf

Curry
Salve
Utica
Morrisville
Bufff State
Framingham

Geneva
Stevenson
Carnegie Melton
Frostburg

Declaration deadline is still a week away, so I suspect that this list will grow.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on October 29, 2015, 09:04:20 PM
Frank pointed out to me earlier that 2 of the "south" teams aren't even eligible given < .500 records....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 29, 2015, 10:28:15 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on October 29, 2015, 09:04:20 PM
Frank pointed out to me earlier that 2 of the "south" teams aren't even eligible given < .500 records....

Actually, one of those possibilities was St. Vincent, but they disappeared from today's South list.  We're down 50-60% in terms of declared teams I normally see a week before the deadline.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 30, 2015, 11:04:28 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on October 29, 2015, 09:04:20 PM
Frank pointed out to me earlier that 2 of the "south" teams aren't even eligible given < .500 records....

And it seems like there's a good chance Morrisville goes 3-5 in conference, which I think makes them ineligible. Are they even going to get enough teams?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on October 30, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
Does the ECAC actually have a >.500 record requirement for these games? Or are we just plugging in the D1 bowl eligibility requirements to these games because they are also "bowls"?

I couldn't find it on their website. Wouldn't put it past the ECAC to have quietly removed it so they won't have to turn declared teams away in the event that not enough teams declare?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 30, 2015, 11:58:54 AM
The requirement historically is that a team is eligible if either their overall OR conference record is .500 or better.  The Manual has not yet been updated for this year, but one would assume that they would maintain that clause for the integrity of these games.  If I see it change, I'll let you know.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 30, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 30, 2015, 11:58:54 AM
The requirement historically is that a team is eligible if either their overall OR conference record is .500 or better.  The Manual has not yet been updated for this year, but one would assume that they would maintain that clause for the integrity of these games.  If I see it change, I'll let you know.

Ah, for some mistaken reason I thought it was AND.

Morrisville State is presumably safe, since I doubt they'll lose to Alfred State
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 30, 2015, 05:52:53 PM
I don't want to be overly negative........but I predict an ECAC Dumpster Fire!!!!!! :o
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 02, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 30, 2015, 11:58:54 AM
The requirement historically is that a team is eligible if either their overall OR conference record is .500 or better.  The Manual has not yet been updated for this year, but one would assume that they would maintain that clause for the integrity of these games.  If I see it change, I'll let you know.

ECAC confirmed .500 requirement this am
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on November 04, 2015, 08:32:32 AM
Declared list updated with some pretty good teams:
Alfred, Fisher, WNE, Husson among the teams listed now.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 04, 2015, 10:26:52 AM
Yeah, interesting tho that there's no LL, CC or certain conferences who seem to be abstaining still. E8 definitely not shying away from the trip to Hahtfud.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2015, 03:57:58 PM
Also telling is the change in declaration deadline from tomorrow (11/5) to Monday (11/9)...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 04, 2015, 04:00:56 PM
Right now there are only 5 declared teams from the South, one of which is 2-6 Geneva.  The other four teams all have at least 5 wins and will meet the .500 requirement.  It looks like there will be plenty of North teams to fill the slots.  I'd love to see CMU matched against any of the teams listed.  There's been plenty of back-and-forth in the prior pages about the relative value and engagement of the teams, but I think it will be fun to see CMU play against Kean or Frostburg State.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2015, 05:20:05 PM
Sure seems like a message is being sent to the folks on the Cape.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2015, 06:27:36 PM
Except they are no longer on the Cape. :)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2015, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2015, 06:27:36 PM
Except they are no longer on the Cape. :)

They sure act as far removed from the rest of Division III as possible.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2015, 06:43:55 PM
Now that's the truth!  ;D ::)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on November 05, 2015, 02:25:12 PM
The list continues to grow...Cortland, Norwich and a handful of south teams added today.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody have access to last years' declared teams list?

I was initially very much against the new structure of these games, but as long as that list of declared teams keeps growing it looks like it was a great move for the ECAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Saxon73 on November 05, 2015, 02:30:32 PM
It ain't over till  it's over.   :)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Div3Fan on November 05, 2015, 02:51:45 PM
I apologize for my ignorance, but where can you find the list of declared teams? Kind of glanced at the ECAC website and saw nada.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 05, 2015, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Div3Fan on November 05, 2015, 02:51:45 PM
I apologize for my ignorance, but where can you find the list of declared teams? Kind of glanced at the ECAC website and saw nada.

Here ya go:

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/Declared_Teams_11-5-15.pdf

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2015, 04:05:40 PM
QuoteThe list continues to grow...Cortland, Norwich and a handful of south teams added today.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody have access to last years' declared teams list?

I was initially very much against the new structure of these games, but as long as that list of declared teams keeps growing it looks like it was a great move for the ECAC.

That depends completely on your geographic perspective. Those who are south of the NYC metro area, like a lot of the ECAC members are, obviously disagree. Otherwise there would be more than four South region teams who've declared eligibility. Whether the ECAC cares that a large portion of the membership isn't participating in the new format remains to be seen.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 05, 2015, 04:06:22 PM
I count 8 South Region teams?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2015, 04:08:04 PM
Correct, my mistake, though practically only six teams have a realistic chance. FDU-Florham will likely finish 3-7.  Geneva is 2-6 and shouldn't even be listed unless they want to include teams who'd like to participate but didn't reach the .500 threshold.

Everyone else looks safe to reach at least .500. Bethany is on the border but isn't likely to lose to Grove City.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
MAC and Centennial agree to a bowl series between the two conferences... see you later ECACs for at least this year.

Story coming to D3football site shortly, I am sure.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 05, 2015, 04:24:04 PM
Final tally from last year

Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 16, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
Here's how the final ECAC board looks.  I know some pairings are being leaked already.  Parentheticals are SOS figures.

ECAC North
——————
Framingham State University​ (MASCAC) 9-1/8-0  (0.532)

St. John Fisher College​ (E8) 8-2/6-2 (0.564)
Western New England University​ (NEFC​) 8-2/5-2 (0.471)

Western Connecticut State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-3/6-2 (0.467)
Norwich University​ (ECFC​) 7-3/5-2 (0.459)
SUNY Buffalo State​ (E8) 7-3/5-3 (0.549)
Utica College​ (E8) 7-3/5-3 (0.511)
Worcester State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-3/5-3 (0.470)

Salve Regina University​ (NEFC​) 6-4/5-2 (0.490)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute​ (LL) 6-4/4-3 (0.544)
Fitchburg State University​ (MASCAC) 6-4/4-4 (0.471)

Mount Ida College​ (ECFC​) 5-5/5-2 (0.399)
Westfield State University​ (MASCAC​) 5-5/4-4 (0.504)
SUNY Cortland​ (NJAC​) 5-5/4-3 (0.504)
Endicott College​ (NEFC) 5-5/4-3 (0.532)
Alfred University​ (E8) 5-5/3-5 (0.586)
The College at Brockport​ (E8) 5-5/3-5 (0.535)

ECAC South
——————
Morrisville State College​ (NJAC​) 8-2/5-2 (0.475)
Waynesburg University​ (PAC) 8-2/6-2 (0.477)

Stevenson University​ (MAC) 7-3/6-3 (0.497)

Bethany College​ (PAC) 6-4/5-3 (0.496)
Salisbury University​ (E8) 6-4/5-3 (0.596)
Albright College​ (MAC) 6-4/5-4 (0.480)

Franklin and Marshall​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.505)
Moravian College​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.512)
Juniata College​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.484)

Saint Vincent College​ (PAC) 4-6/4-4 (0.481)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 04:26:47 PM
We seem to be writing a lot of 'pulling out of the ECAC' stories on our sites of late.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:32:31 PM
I know I have alluded to it, but I am serious when I say I think the ECAC will be disappearing soon from Division III... or least outside of the Northeast. You now have only two hockey conferences left - and they are probably going to bolt by season's end; you now have two conferences going their separate ways from football - which is bound to encourage other conferences to do the same; schools are no longer interested in paying the yearly dues OR participating in post-season events the ECAC won't help offset the costs for...

It all adds up to the ECAC disappearing as we know it and they can only blame themselves for focusing too much on Division I, assuming Division III would also stay pat, and that Division III didn't really care about being cared for.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 05, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
MAC and Centennial agree to a bowl series between the two conferences... see you later ECACs for at least this year.

Story coming to D3football site shortly, I am sure.

Uggh. Why 1 vs 2? The better bowl games would be 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. Why just try and generate easier wins instead of making better games? That being said, I fully support this and would like to see the ODAC and USASAC do something similar. Jealous.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:40:59 PM
1 v 2 allows for an easy decision on hosts :)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 05, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:40:59 PM
1 v 2 allows for an easy decision on hosts :)

Bleh. It's a two year contract. CC 1 hosts this year, CC 2 hosts next year. Done.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 05, 2015, 04:51:14 PM
Is Brockport just late or not going to declare? I guess it's more likely than not given records that they won't make the cut.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:32:31 PM
I know I have alluded to it, but I am serious when I say I think the ECAC will be disappearing soon from Division III... or least outside of the Northeast. You now have only two hockey conferences left - and they are probably going to bolt by season's end; you now have two conferences going their separate ways from football - which is bound to encourage other conferences to do the same; schools are no longer interested in paying the yearly dues OR participating in post-season events the ECAC won't help offset the costs for...

It all adds up to the ECAC disappearing as we know it and they can only blame themselves for focusing too much on Division I, assuming Division III would also stay pat, and that Division III didn't really care about being cared for.

Especially non-New England Division III. Really, the South ECAC teams have gotten the short end of the stick since at least the '90s.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Div3Fan on November 05, 2015, 05:03:34 PM
Great idea -- in theory. You just can't expect schools to travel 5+ hrs all of a sudden without compensation. Would love to see all the ECAC teams involved,but this isn't a perfect world.

In retrospect, this has to have been a pretty inane decision. How many other schools will back out?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 05, 2015, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 05, 2015, 04:24:04 PM
Final tally from last year

Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 16, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
Here's how the final ECAC board looks.  I know some pairings are being leaked already.  Parentheticals are SOS figures.

ECAC North
——————
Framingham State University​ (MASCAC) 9-1/8-0  (0.532)

St. John Fisher College​ (E8) 8-2/6-2 (0.564)
Western New England University​ (NEFC​) 8-2/5-2 (0.471)

Western Connecticut State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-3/6-2 (0.467)
Norwich University​ (ECFC​) 7-3/5-2 (0.459)
SUNY Buffalo State​ (E8) 7-3/5-3 (0.549)
Utica College​ (E8) 7-3/5-3 (0.511)
Worcester State University​ (MASCAC​) 7-3/5-3 (0.470)

Salve Regina University​ (NEFC​) 6-4/5-2 (0.490)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute​ (LL) 6-4/4-3 (0.544)
Fitchburg State University​ (MASCAC) 6-4/4-4 (0.471)

Mount Ida College​ (ECFC​) 5-5/5-2 (0.399)
Westfield State University​ (MASCAC​) 5-5/4-4 (0.504)
SUNY Cortland​ (NJAC​) 5-5/4-3 (0.504)
Endicott College​ (NEFC) 5-5/4-3 (0.532)
Alfred University​ (E8) 5-5/3-5 (0.586)
The College at Brockport​ (E8) 5-5/3-5 (0.535)

ECAC South
——————
Morrisville State College​ (NJAC​) 8-2/5-2 (0.475)
Waynesburg University​ (PAC) 8-2/6-2 (0.477)

Stevenson University​ (MAC) 7-3/6-3 (0.497)

Bethany College​ (PAC) 6-4/5-3 (0.496)
Salisbury University​ (E8) 6-4/5-3 (0.596)
Albright College​ (MAC) 6-4/5-4 (0.480)

Franklin and Marshall​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.505)
Moravian College​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.512)
Juniata College​ (CC) 5-5/4-5 (0.484)

Saint Vincent College​ (PAC) 4-6/4-4 (0.481)

Reminder that I had deleted teams taken by the NCAA and those not eligible based on records out of the mix.  As such, the number of declarations was much higher than this list.

[EDIT: I found the 2014 document.  Not including the 2 North and 1 South schools that withdrew, there were 22 South schools and 19 North schools that declared in 2014.]
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 05, 2015, 05:54:04 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 05, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
MAC and Centennial agree to a bowl series between the two conferences... see you later ECACs for at least this year.

Story coming to D3football site shortly, I am sure.

Uggh. Why 1 vs 2? The better bowl games would be 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. Why just try and generate easier wins instead of making better games? That being said, I fully support this and would like to see the ODAC and USASAC do something similar. Jealous.

Regardless of the 1 vs. 2 debate, I love the concept of conferences pairing up for these bowl games and doing it themselves.  From the recent discussion here it sounds as though the ECAC is, unfortunately, not the ideal way of getting to this end - and if we are willing to just cut the middleman and make a deal to play against another league, I think that's pretty cool (as long as cost and logistics can somehow be taken care of) and solves some of the problems discussed earlier - long travel, lack of interest.  If you can play a game against an opponent from a nearby league, and create some sort of league rivalry/pride in the process, maybe this gets to a better end product for players and fans.  Now I'm trying to think of a partner that the PAC could pair up with.  PAC-OAC?  PAC-NCAC?  Maybe even MIAA?  I'd love to see something like this popping up around the country.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 05, 2015, 06:03:00 PM
PAC/NJAC is the most logical thing this year.  They're both in peril based on this decision, so they, too, might as well cut out the middleman (and the hotel frogs/bedbugs) by meeting up in a limited fashion that wouldn't otherwise occur.  The state of the South now is horrendous if we eliminate Geneva, Stevenson, and FDU-Florham from the equation.  At least bring in some revenue PAC/NJAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on November 05, 2015, 06:10:20 PM
Wow....

So much for my earlier post saying that this might actually work for the ECAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 05, 2015, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 04:26:47 PM
We seem to be writing a lot of 'pulling out of the ECAC' stories on our sites of late.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls

Good story, Pat. Answered my question about NCAA rules governing such post-season play. +K
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Saxon73 on November 06, 2015, 10:40:42 AM
I was initially under the impression that the bowl games would be in Connecticut every year.  Reading from the ECAC website, they indicate there would be different locations year to year.  Regardless, each year some team or teams would have substantial mileage to travel.  Still  ??? ???
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2015, 10:49:34 AM
I wouldn't worry about it... probably no games to send teams to after this year.  ;) ::)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Saxon73 on November 06, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
More information about video of games- might as well watch them this year  :P

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/PACK_NETWORK_BROADCAST
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 06, 2015, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 06, 2015, 10:40:42 AM
I was initially under the impression that the bowl games would be in Connecticut every year.  Reading from the ECAC website, they indicate there would be different locations year to year.  Regardless, each year some team or teams would have substantial mileage to travel.  Still  ??? ???

Part of the "deal" is that ECAC covers cost of transportation.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Saxon73 on November 06, 2015, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 06, 2015, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 06, 2015, 10:40:42 AM
I was initially under the impression that the bowl games would be in Connecticut every year.  Reading from the ECAC website, they indicate there would be different locations year to year.  Regardless, each year some team or teams would have substantial mileage to travel.  Still  ??? ???

Part of the "deal" is that ECAC covers cost of transportation.

They don't cover the cost of "travel fatigue."  We have discussed before how long trips "tripped" up the Saxons.  i.e. 2005 - Washington and Lee

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2015, 03:06:04 PM
They cover costs of transportation while then forcing the institutions to buy 300 tickets to the games at the cost of $3,000. So, let's call that a wash... because after that are the costs of hotel rooms at $150 bucks a room - that's the "deal" for the schools involved.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 06, 2015, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 06, 2015, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 06, 2015, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 06, 2015, 10:40:42 AM
I was initially under the impression that the bowl games would be in Connecticut every year.  Reading from the ECAC website, they indicate there would be different locations year to year.  Regardless, each year some team or teams would have substantial mileage to travel.  Still  ??? ???

Part of the "deal" is that ECAC covers cost of transportation.

They don't cover the cost of "travel fatigue."  We have discussed before how long trips "tripped" up the Saxons.  i.e. 2005 - Washington and Lee


I can vouch for that. W&L has never won a game in New York state. So it goes both ways. Long road trips, in DIII, are a killer. When W&L got sent to Hobart in the first round in 2012 it was 465 miles or so. Longest bus trip in the tournament that year I believe. The first half was good, by the second half you could see W&L was weary. Some of that was Hobart was better. Some of that was 10 hours on the bus the day before...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 06, 2015, 10:25:46 PM
Over the last 24 hours, a strange thing happened to the North declarations -- there had been 16 teams listed (and I'll provide a full lineup of eligible declared teams after tomorrow's games as I normally do around this time of season).  However, Cortland, Alfred, Norwich, Western New England, Husson, and Fisher have disappeared from the North's declared teams, leaving just 10 North declarations.

Of course, this could have been a clerical error, as Morrisville's affiliation changed back from "Empire 8" back to "NEAC" in the most recent listing.  However, Wesley appeared for the first time, while Bethany, FDU-Florham, and Westminster disappeared from the South.  There looks to be only three South teams that would qualify presently, as Stevenson should've also withdrawn after yesterday's announcement (but still appears as of tonight).

The drop may be due to the exposure of the new rules that occurred when the MAC/CC announcement was made.  Remember that the $3,000 ticket requirement for all schools would have affected all participants, not just far away schools.  The hotel price and the lack of a revenue split appears to also have turned the stomachs of the withdrawing schools, if I had to guess.

More on this after the games go final Saturday.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wone3 on November 06, 2015, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 06, 2015, 10:25:46 PM
Over the last 24 hours, a strange thing happened to the North declarations -- there had been 16 teams listed (and I'll provide a full lineup of eligible declared teams after tomorrow's games as I normally do around this time of season).  However, Cortland, Alfred, Norwich, Western New England, Husson, and Fisher have disappeared from the North's declared teams, leaving just 10 North declarations.

Of course, this could have been a clerical error, as Morrisville's affiliation changed back from "Empire 8" back to "NEAC" in the most recent listing.  However, Wesley appeared for the first time, while Bethany, FDU-Florham, and Westminster disappeared from the South.  There looks to be only three South teams that would qualify presently, as Stevenson should've also withdrawn after yesterday's announcement (but still appears as of tonight).

The drop may be due to the exposure of the new rules that occurred when the MAC/CC announcement was made.  Remember that the $3,000 ticket requirement for all schools would have affected all participants, not just far away schools.  The hotel price and the lack of a revenue split appears to also have turned the stomachs of the withdrawing schools, if I had to guess.

More on this after the games go final Saturday.

Stevenson probably stayed until results tomorrow for hedge bets; cause worst case MAC only gets 1 NCAA bid and then the next 2 would be the new bowl bids and he might be afraid they'd finish 4th (only if they lost final 2) and wouldn't have a game to play.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Saxon73 on November 07, 2015, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 06, 2015, 10:25:46 PM
Over the last 24 hours, a strange thing happened to the North declarations -- there had been 16 teams listed (and I'll provide a full lineup of eligible declared teams after tomorrow's games as I normally do around this time of season).  However, Cortland, Alfred, Norwich, Western New England, Husson, and Fisher have disappeared from the North's declared teams, leaving just 10 North declarations.

Of course, this could have been a clerical error, as Morrisville's affiliation changed back from "Empire 8" back to "NEAC" in the most recent listing.  However, Wesley appeared for the first time, while Bethany, FDU-Florham, and Westminster disappeared from the South.  There looks to be only three South teams that would qualify presently, as Stevenson should've also withdrawn after yesterday's announcement (but still appears as of tonight).

The drop may be due to the exposure of the new rules that occurred when the MAC/CC announcement was made.  Remember that the $3,000 ticket requirement for all schools would have affected all participants, not just far away schools.  The hotel price and the lack of a revenue split appears to also have turned the stomachs of the withdrawing schools, if I had to guess.

More on this after the games go final Saturday.

ECAC declarations are back to "normal" with new exceptions of MAC/CC etc.  ???

http://ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/Declared_Teams_11-6-15.pdf
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2015, 09:17:54 AM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 07, 2015, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 06, 2015, 10:25:46 PM
Over the last 24 hours, a strange thing happened to the North declarations -- there had been 16 teams listed (and I'll provide a full lineup of eligible declared teams after tomorrow's games as I normally do around this time of season).  However, Cortland, Alfred, Norwich, Western New England, Husson, and Fisher have disappeared from the North's declared teams, leaving just 10 North declarations.

Of course, this could have been a clerical error, as Morrisville's affiliation changed back from "Empire 8" back to "NEAC" in the most recent listing.  However, Wesley appeared for the first time, while Bethany, FDU-Florham, and Westminster disappeared from the South.  There looks to be only three South teams that would qualify presently, as Stevenson should've also withdrawn after yesterday's announcement (but still appears as of tonight).

The drop may be due to the exposure of the new rules that occurred when the MAC/CC announcement was made.  Remember that the $3,000 ticket requirement for all schools would have affected all participants, not just far away schools.  The hotel price and the lack of a revenue split appears to also have turned the stomachs of the withdrawing schools, if I had to guess.

More on this after the games go final Saturday.

ECAC declarations are back to "normal" with new exceptions of MAC/CC etc.  ???

http://ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/Declared_Teams_11-6-15.pdf

I can see it now: Buff State vs. Carnegie Mellon. Traveling a combined 871 miles each way to Central Connecticut State.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 07, 2015, 09:25:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2015, 09:17:54 AM
I can see it now: Buff State vs. Carnegie Mellon. Traveling a combined 871 miles each way to Central Connecticut State.

And I just threw up a little in my mouth thinking of those teams being out travel costs and $3K in tickets when they sell a combined 500 just to parents living in CT.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2015, 04:38:27 PM
I'm told Stevenson will not participate in ECACs, even though they initially submitted. They won't have to either. There are extremely unlikely to lose to FDU-Florham, so they will finish 8-2 and no worse than tied for second with whomever wins the Del Val/Widener game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 09, 2015, 04:28:56 PM
http://ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/Declared_Teams_11-8-15.pdf

Wesley and WPI declare also. The former is going to the NCAAs so not really much to say there. Happy for Coach Rob and the Engineers. Hope they get selected and have a good match up.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on November 09, 2015, 04:57:41 PM
With three* ECFC teams declared (Husson, Becker, Castleton) all with similar records as WPI it'll be interesting to see if the ECAC people take into account the fact that WPI beat the ECFC champion.

*Norwich is also declared but won the AQ

Edited when I realized Castleton is no longer on the declared list
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 09, 2015, 06:15:11 PM
As of Monday, November 9th, 2015 (After 5pm EST Filing Deadline):


                          OVERALL  CONF   WEEK 11 vs.        SOS
NORTH REGION
*Western New England (NEFC) 9-0    6-0   Salve Regina   0.386 (227th)

*Salve Regina (NEFC)        7-1    5-1    Western NE    0.432 (216th)

+RPI (LL)                   7-2    5-1      Union       0.594 (9th)
*Cortland St. (E8)          7-2    5-2      Ithaca      0.615 (2nd)
+Alfred (E8)                7-2    5-2  St. John Fisher 0.602 (5th)
Fitchburg St. (MASCAC)      7-2    5-2   Plymouth St.   0.518 (85th)
Husson (ECFC)               6-2    5-1    Mount Ida     0.482 (159th)

+St. John Fisher (E8)       6-3    5-2      Alfred      0.598 (6th)
Bridgewater St. (MASCAC)    6-3    5-2   Mass-Maritime  0.504 (112th)
Becker (ECFC)               6-3    4-2    Anna Maria    0.438 (214th)
Buffalo St. (E8)            6-3    4-3   Brockport St.  0.554 (42nd)
WPI (LL)                    6-3    3-3   Springfield    0.527 (73rd)

Morrisville St. (E8)        5-4    4-4    Alfred St.    0.598 (7th)
Brockport St. (E8)          5-4    3-4    Buffalo St.   0.548 (47th)

#Utica College (E8)         4-5    3-4     Hartwick     0.577 (15th)


SOUTH REGION
^Wesley (NJAC)              8-1    7-1   Wm. Paterson   0.548 (49th)

Westminster (PA) (PAC)      7-2    6-1      Geneva      0.495 (138th)

Carnegie Mellon (PAC)       6-3    5-2  Case West. Res. 0.483 (158th)
Frostburg St. (NJAC)        6-3    5-3     Salisbury    0.457 (191st)
Kean (NJAC)                 6-3    5-3   Montclair St.  0.517 (91st)

#Bethany (PAC)              4-5    3-4    St. Vincent   0.507 (105th)


* - Team controls own destiny for conference's Pool A AQ bid.
+ - Team still mathematically alive for conference's Pool A AQ bid.
^ - Team merits Pool C consideration and still alive for Pool A bid.
# - Team must win to qualify (for 0.500+ W/L% in overall or conf.).

Note: Teams that cannot post the required W/L record or that have already clinched a Pool A AQ bid are not listed above, despite their declarations.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 09, 2015, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 09, 2015, 06:15:11 PM
As of Monday, November 9th, 2015 (After 5pm EST Filing Deadline):


                          OVERALL  CONF   WEEK 11 vs.        SOS
NORTH REGION
*Western New England (NEFC) 9-0    6-0   Salve Regina   0.386 (227th)

*Salve Regina (NEFC)        7-1    5-1    Western NE    0.432 (216th)

+RPI (LL)                   7-2    5-1      Union       0.594 (9th)
*Cortland St. (E8)          7-2    5-2      Ithaca      0.615 (2nd)
+Alfred (E8)                7-2    5-2  St. John Fisher 0.602 (5th)
Fitchburg St. (MASCAC)      7-2    5-2   Plymouth St.   0.518 (85th)
Husson (ECFC)               6-2    5-1    Mount Ida     0.482 (159th)

+St. John Fisher (E8)       6-3    5-2      Alfred      0.598 (6th)
Bridgewater St. (MASCAC)    6-3    5-2   Mass-Maritime  0.504 (112th)
Becker (ECFC)               6-3    4-2    Anna Maria    0.438 (214th)
Buffalo St. (E8)            6-3    4-3   Brockport St.  0.554 (42nd)
WPI (LL)                    6-3    3-3   Springfield    0.527 (73rd)

Morrisville St. (E8)        5-4    4-4    Alfred St.    0.598 (7th)
Brockport St. (E8)          5-4    3-4    Buffalo St.   0.548 (47th)

#Utica College (E8)         4-5    3-4     Hartwick     0.577 (15th)


SOUTH REGION
^Wesley (NJAC)              8-1    7-1   Wm. Paterson   0.548 (49th)

Westminster (PA) (PAC)      7-2    6-1      Geneva      0.495 (138th)

Carnegie Mellon (PAC)       6-3    5-2  Case West. Res. 0.483 (158th)
Frostburg St. (NJAC)        6-3    5-3     Salisbury    0.457 (191st)
Kean (NJAC)                 6-3    5-3   Montclair St.  0.517 (91st)

#Bethany (PAC)              4-5    3-4    St. Vincent   0.507 (105th)


* - Team controls own destiny for conference's Pool A AQ bid.
+ - Team still mathematically alive for conference's Pool A AQ bid.
^ - Team merits Pool C consideration and still alive for Pool A bid.
# - Team must win to qualify (for 0.500+ W/L% in overall or conf.).

Note: Teams that cannot post the required W/L record or that have already clinched a Pool A AQ bid are not listed above, despite their declarations.

For folks using smartphones, here's a version that should look better minus the Week 11 opponent and SOS numbers:

                          OVERALL  CONF
NORTH REGION
*Western New England (NEFC) 9-0    6-0

*Salve Regina (NEFC)        7-1    5-1

+RPI (LL)                   7-2    5-1
*Cortland St. (E8)          7-2    5-2
+Alfred (E8)                7-2    5-2
Fitchburg St. (MASCAC)      7-2    5-2
Husson (ECFC)               6-2    5-1

+St. John Fisher (E8)       6-3    5-2
Bridgewater St. (MASCAC)    6-3    5-2
Becker (ECFC)               6-3    4-2
Buffalo St. (E8)            6-3    4-3
WPI (LL)                    6-3    3-3

Morrisville St. (E8)        5-4    4-4
Brockport St. (E8)          5-4    3-4

#Utica College (E8)         4-5    3-4


SOUTH REGION
^Wesley (NJAC)              8-1    7-1

Westminster (PA) (PAC)      7-2    6-1

Carnegie Mellon (PAC)       6-3    5-2
Frostburg St. (NJAC)        6-3    5-3
Kean (NJAC)                 6-3    5-3

#Bethany (PAC)              4-5    3-4


* - Team controls own destiny for conference's Pool A AQ bid.
+ - Team still mathematically alive for conference's Pool A AQ bid.
^ - Team merits Pool C consideration and still alive for Pool A bid.
# - Team must win to qualify (for 0.500+ W/L% in overall or conf.).
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Saxon73 on November 09, 2015, 06:30:50 PM
The Utica Conf and Overalls records are switched.

No Hobart ??
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 09, 2015, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 09, 2015, 06:30:50 PM
The Utica Conf and Overalls records are switched.

No Hobart ??

Thanks for catching that, and no... No Hobart.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 09, 2015, 07:19:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2015, 09:17:54 AM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 07, 2015, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 06, 2015, 10:25:46 PM
Over the last 24 hours, a strange thing happened to the North declarations -- there had been 16 teams listed (and I'll provide a full lineup of eligible declared teams after tomorrow's games as I normally do around this time of season).  However, Cortland, Alfred, Norwich, Western New England, Husson, and Fisher have disappeared from the North's declared teams, leaving just 10 North declarations.

Of course, this could have been a clerical error, as Morrisville's affiliation changed back from "Empire 8" back to "NEAC" in the most recent listing.  However, Wesley appeared for the first time, while Bethany, FDU-Florham, and Westminster disappeared from the South.  There looks to be only three South teams that would qualify presently, as Stevenson should've also withdrawn after yesterday's announcement (but still appears as of tonight).

The drop may be due to the exposure of the new rules that occurred when the MAC/CC announcement was made.  Remember that the $3,000 ticket requirement for all schools would have affected all participants, not just far away schools.  The hotel price and the lack of a revenue split appears to also have turned the stomachs of the withdrawing schools, if I had to guess.

More on this after the games go final Saturday.

ECAC declarations are back to "normal" with new exceptions of MAC/CC etc.  ???

http://ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/Declared_Teams_11-6-15.pdf

I can see it now: Buff State vs. Carnegie Mellon. Traveling a combined 871 miles each way to Central Connecticut State.

Having just driven this exact route myself last weekend for a wedding (leaving from within a mile of CMU's campus and driving past Central Connecticut State on I-84)...that is a loooooooooong ride.  I am glad that the Tartans will likely get an ECAC game, but do not envy them the 500-some mile bus ride to Central Connecticut State.

And seeing the MAC-Centennial agreement and loving the idea, I will strongly support the PAC starting their own bowl game agreement with another regional conference to establish a bit of a league rivalry and keep the teams in something resembling the same region.  OAC and/or NCAC would probably be best.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 10, 2015, 09:28:40 AM
Hobart's last ECAC trip was about 10 yrs ago. I think bc of the other sports / campus politics that participation is off the table just like it is with SLU.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on November 12, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Looks like the declared list has changed again, with Castleton added to the list again... With head to head losses to two other declared teams from their conference (Becker and Husson) it's probably irrelevant anyways.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 12, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on November 12, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Looks like the declared list has changed again, with Castleton added to the list again... With head to head losses to two other declared teams from their conference (Becker and Husson) it's probably irrelevant anyways.

The list looks incorrect, as we know WPI filed Monday -- why would they have withdrawn?  Why would Stevenson reappear when they'll be in the MAC/CC Bowls?  Something again went wrong in terms of a clerical error here.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 12, 2015, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 12, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on November 12, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Looks like the declared list has changed again, with Castleton added to the list again... With head to head losses to two other declared teams from their conference (Becker and Husson) it's probably irrelevant anyways.

The list looks incorrect, as we know WPI filed Monday -- why would they have withdrawn?  Why would Stevenson reappear when they'll be in the MAC/CC Bowls?  Something again went wrong in terms of a clerical error here.

Is there even an option for a MAC/CC team to choose between the MAC/CC Challenge and the ECAC bowl?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on November 12, 2015, 03:22:38 PM
Looks like the list is back to what was reported earlier this week.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2015, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 12, 2015, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 12, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on November 12, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Looks like the declared list has changed again, with Castleton added to the list again... With head to head losses to two other declared teams from their conference (Becker and Husson) it's probably irrelevant anyways.

The list looks incorrect, as we know WPI filed Monday -- why would they have withdrawn?  Why would Stevenson reappear when they'll be in the MAC/CC Bowls?  Something again went wrong in terms of a clerical error here.

Is there even an option for a MAC/CC team to choose between the MAC/CC Challenge and the ECAC bowl?

I'm pretty sure that if the MAC and CC decided to team up to play bowl games... it was because the ECAC was no longer a viable option, so thus... it's these games and no ECAC games. If anyone didn't want to participate in the MAC/CC bowl games, then the deal would have fallen through. Furthermore, I doubt we have seen the third (fourth)-remaining team in either conference ever play in an ECAC bowl game - or have good enough criteria to even qualify.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 16, 2015, 01:09:17 PM
The games for the ECAC bowls are listed here:

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/ECAC_Announces_Participants_for_ECACD3FBFEST

RPI vs. Buffalo State looks interesting. Other than that, meh.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 16, 2015, 01:12:12 PM
Be interesting to see how CMU does sitting on a bus for 10 hours (including stops and traffic). 462 miles across that section of the country can take a long time...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 16, 2015, 01:13:40 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing just doesn't make some of these teams arrange other post season alliances like the MAC and NJAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 16, 2015, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 16, 2015, 01:13:40 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing just doesn't make some of these teams arrange other post season alliances like the MAC and NJAC.

MAC and CC. And yes, I'm surprised a bunch of conferences don't pair up for that kind of thing. I can only assume budgets get in the way. But I'd love it if the ODAC and USASAC or ODAC and SAA did it (though some of those trips could be long). We always get plenty of early season ODAC/USASAC games, but they rarely match teams that finish in like positions in the conference.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 16, 2015, 01:22:36 PM
Oh yeah, the NJAC and MAC had a regular season slate of games, I mixed them up. I'd love for the E8 and NJAC form something post-season.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 16, 2015, 01:30:15 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 16, 2015, 01:09:17 PM
The games for the ECAC bowls are listed here:

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/ECAC_Announces_Participants_for_ECACD3FBFEST

RPI vs. Buffalo State looks interesting. Other than that, meh.

Ha, understandable if that's your reaction.  I've always been a bit more enthused about the chance for teams to play an extra game.  Plus, it gives a chance for some teams to play a school that they've never played!  Have some fun with it!

Husson-Salve: well, Salve has been in bowl games the last few years, Husson in the playoffs last year.  Sure, these teams are from some of the nation's least powerful conferences, but I'm sure they'll have some fun putting on the pads once more for the seniors.

WPI-Kean: WPI has not played a postseason game since the inception of this website, and is coming off their first winning season since 2008.  Kean finished this year on a roll after a couple down years in 2014 and 2013.  Plus, there aren't many games played between the Liberty League and NJAC.  I can dig it.

SJF-Westminster: nice game here for Westminster to test themselves against a pretty good team from a different region of the D3 universe on the heels of their best season in a long, long time.  SJF rallied nicely from a rough early patch and has the chance to put an exclamation point on it, get some extra traction for next year.

Buffalo State-RPI: Buffalo State has the chance to post consecutive 8-win seasons, something they've not done since the inception of this site.  RPI closed the season on a four-game winning streak and gets the chance to make it five!

Carnegie Mellon-Bridgewater State: my alma mater gets the first postseason nod since 2012, and a very very long bus ride to play a New England opponent.  I think this is fun!  Why not enjoy the chance to knock heads with someone you'll probably never play again?

Alfred-Fitchburg State: well, Alfred will have the chance to erase the bad taste from that closing loss to SJF with one more game.  Fitchburg State gets to play their first postseason game ever, and probably the first time anyone on the team has played a game outside the MASCAC/NEFC/ECFC.  Good for them!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 16, 2015, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 16, 2015, 01:12:12 PM
Be interesting to see how CMU does sitting on a bus for 10 hours (including stops and traffic). 462 miles across that section of the country can take a long time...

I drove this a week ago for a family wedding (Pittsburgh to West Hartford).  Looooooooooooong drive.  I do not envy the boys this bus ride.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 16, 2015, 02:01:08 PM
I bet it is pretty cool for some of the players. And the matchups can be interesting. The one I mentioned, Buffalo State vs. RPI, would never happen for academic reasons.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 16, 2015, 02:06:25 PM
I think Ive said it earlier in the season.
An ECAC nod is a great outcome to a tumultuous season.
Hell Fisher was an IC score from winning the E8...
Who'd a thunk that?
Not this alum.
Not after the start they had.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 17, 2015, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 16, 2015, 01:30:15 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 16, 2015, 01:09:17 PM
The games for the ECAC bowls are listed here:

http://www.ecacsports.com/ECACD3FBFEST/ECAC_Announces_Participants_for_ECACD3FBFEST

RPI vs. Buffalo State looks interesting. Other than that, meh.

Ha, understandable if that's your reaction.  I've always been a bit more enthused about the chance for teams to play an extra game.  Plus, it gives a chance for some teams to play a school that they've never played!  Have some fun with it!

Husson-Salve: well, Salve has been in bowl games the last few years, Husson in the playoffs last year.  Sure, these teams are from some of the nation's least powerful conferences, but I'm sure they'll have some fun putting on the pads once more for the seniors.

WPI-Kean: WPI has not played a postseason game since the inception of this website, and is coming off their first winning season since 2008.  Kean finished this year on a roll after a couple down years in 2014 and 2013.  Plus, there aren't many games played between the Liberty League and NJAC.  I can dig it.

SJF-Westminster: nice game here for Westminster to test themselves against a pretty good team from a different region of the D3 universe on the heels of their best season in a long, long time.  SJF rallied nicely from a rough early patch and has the chance to put an exclamation point on it, get some extra traction for next year.

Buffalo State-RPI: Buffalo State has the chance to post consecutive 8-win seasons, something they've not done since the inception of this site.  RPI closed the season on a four-game winning streak and gets the chance to make it five!

Carnegie Mellon-Bridgewater State: my alma mater gets the first postseason nod since 2012, and a very very long bus ride to play a New England opponent.  I think this is fun!  Why not enjoy the chance to knock heads with someone you'll probably never play again?

Alfred-Fitchburg State: well, Alfred will have the chance to erase the bad taste from that closing loss to SJF with one more game.  Fitchburg State gets to play their first postseason game ever, and probably the first time anyone on the team has played a game outside the MASCAC/NEFC/ECFC.  Good for them!

dlip is pretty excited for these games!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bengalsrule on November 17, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
It would be really nice to see the E8 go 4-0 this weekend with Fisher, Cortland, Alfred and Buff State all getting a win!   

I am curious as to how they work out practice/walk through time for each team at Central Conn though!! (Or maybe they don't)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 18, 2015, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: Bengalsrule on November 17, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
It would be really nice to see the E8 go 4-0 this weekend with Fisher, Cortland, Alfred and Buff State all getting a win!   

I am curious as to how they work out practice/walk through time for each team at Central Conn though!! (Or maybe they don't)

Pep is thinking all four of them have their hands full.

Fisher faces a team from the PAC who, like Fisher, lost to Thomas More, but scored 14 against them. Pep didn't hear a lot about Westminster this season and was surprised to see they were 8-2 and lost only to W&J and TMC. Go Cardinals!

Ironically, it's the Flip Flop Bowl in Cortland with the former NJAC Red Dragons facing the former E8 Seagulls. The Seagulls surprised Pep with the win over Wesley but Pep wasn't shocked by Frostburg nearly beating them. Don't know if they're a whole lot better than last year when Pep's mediocre (5-5) Saxons claimed a win in Salisbury. Should be interesting. Go Red Dragons!

Alfred gets a brand new opponent in Fitchburg State (8-2) and is hoping the Saxons show up to play after the six- or seven-hour ride. Saxons have handled their Massachusetts foes in the past, including a 41-10 win at Bridgewater State in an ECAC Bowl game in which the Saxons, upon arrival of the AU (Alumni) Pep Band, rallied from a 10-0 deficit. Falcons have a mobile QB and could be a challenge. On Saxon Warriors!

The RPI-Buffalo State battle will be interesting as both were Saxon opponents this season with AU winning over the Engineers 32-20 and the Bengals, 29-26. Against RPI, AU built a decent lead despite atrocious special teams play that resulted in AU giving up THREE safeties, while scoring one themselves. The game was closer than the score indicates, while the Buffalo State game had the Saxons rallying from 12 points down to win after Kyle Hoppy went down to a season-ending injury. BengalsRule!

Best of luck to all the E8 teams this weekend!

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 21, 2015, 05:59:54 PM
RPI down 13-3 with a minute left in the half. RPI O looks good but continues to shoot themselves in the foot with turnovers and penalties. Let's go Engineers!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 21, 2015, 06:03:01 PM
The video and commentators are fantastic! Class job by the ECAC.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 21, 2015, 06:43:50 PM
RPI scores on first possession of 2nd half 13-10 Buff State.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 21, 2015, 07:28:56 PM
RPI dominates the 2nd half and wins 20-13. Considering the turnovers and ill advised penalties Dlip feels RPI was really the better team.

Congrats to the Engineers on a 9-2 season, the Shoes, and an ECAC bowl win over a solid opponent in Buffalo State.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bartman on November 21, 2015, 07:41:30 PM
Congrats to RPI on a tough fought comeback ECAC win today.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2015, 06:12:54 PM
Saxon offense better wake up in the 2nd half. One solid drive won't do it against this athletic Fitchburg St team. Saxons 8-7 at half and will get the ball to start the 3rd Q.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2015, 06:53:09 PM
Dlip is quite shocked with how poorly the Saxon offense continues to play. The passing game is basically nonexistent...is this their starting QB?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
Fitchburg takes the lead! And I didn't even know they existed. lol.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2015, 07:00:13 PM
And yes that is their starting QB To my knowledge.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wesleydad on November 22, 2015, 07:05:28 PM
fitchburg looks like the framingham team that i saw on saturday. 4 or 5 wide read option.  the d looks pretty athletic.  something to watch instead of the dreadful nfl games that are on.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2015, 07:12:21 PM
Dlip is not trying to pick on Johnson (QB). The kid is an excellent athlete and runner. However they are just so one dimensional...it's frustrating.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2015, 07:16:59 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 22, 2015, 07:05:28 PM
fitchburg looks like the framingham team that i saw on saturday. 4 or 5 wide read option.  the d looks pretty athletic.  something to watch instead of the dreadful nfl games that are on.

Call Dlip crazy be he'll always take d3 FB over the NFL.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wesleydad on November 22, 2015, 07:24:37 PM
nice drive by the saxons to take the lead.  good game for not meaning anything.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
Saxons up 11-10 with 1:31 left.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wesleydad on November 22, 2015, 07:36:00 PM
wow, nice ending to a good game.  fitchburg represented well for the mascac.  i am not sure what the other conferences have but framingham and fitchburg can compete with plenty of teams in the east.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 22, 2015, 07:40:26 PM
Saxons block Fitchburg 37 yard FG attempt with under 5 seconds left to pull out the win. Dlip was impressed with Fitchburg and really feels they deserved to win the game. Congrats to both teams on the postseason birth and battle today. Best of luck to both teams next year!

Dlip was over the top impressed with how the ECAC ran this weekend of bowl games. Having all those different teams in the same place had to be quite exciting for all the players and fans. The streaming and commentary was excellent. Well done ECAC and again, congratulations to all the programs, players, and parents involved!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 22, 2015, 07:52:08 PM
Congrats to the Sacons and Engineers. Although WPI lost that was a great opportunity for them to continue building their program.

Fun 2015 season overall. Hopefully Cortland will represent well out in Oregon.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 22, 2015, 11:02:08 PM
It wasn't pretty, but the Saxons somehow got it done, 11-10. Defense was stellar. Casey Bright had some nice runs and a nice catch while Tyler Johnson's legs posed more of a threat than his arm today. Trevor Monk was clutch, not only hitting the game-winning 22-yard field goal but also drilling the ensuing kickoff through the end zone.

Fitchburg's defense gave the Saxons fits...when the Saxons were shooting themselves in the foot. Nevertheless, it was an exciting finish to an ECAC D3 Football Fest that seemed to please most. Pep objects to a Sunday evening game but as a result, the Saxons were the last non-NCAA playoff team to win a football game in 2015.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bengalsrule on November 22, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 22, 2015, 11:02:08 PM
It wasn't pretty, but the Saxons somehow got it done, 11-10. Defense was stellar. Casey Bright had some nice runs and a nice catch while Tyler Johnson's legs posed more of a threat than his arm today. Trevor Monk was clutch, not only hitting the game-winning 22-yard field goal but also drilling the ensuing kickoff through the end zone.

Fitchburg's defense gave the Saxons fits...when the Saxons were shooting themselves in the foot. Nevertheless, it was an exciting finish to an ECAC D3 Football Fest that seemed to please most. Pep objects to a Sunday evening game but as a result, the Saxons were the last non-NCAA playoff team to win a football game in 2015.

On Saxon Warriors!

Congrats to Pep and the Saxons!   Helped give the E8 a .500 weekend after my Bengals and Fisher couldn't seal the deal. Hopefully Cortland will give us a reason to tune in next Sunday night !
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on November 23, 2015, 11:19:37 AM
I was one of the biggest bashers of this new ECAC format, when it was announced earlier this fall.

From all accounts it was a great success, and a high class operation.

If the webast quality is any indication, I'd say those accounts are accurate.

Congrats to all the teams and the ECAC on making the weekend a success.

I will now go eat some crow.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 23, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
Seth Cantor does a great job. Back when we had audio broadcasts of playoff games, we used him for games in Upstate New York and he covered Merchant Marine for a lot of years. Those games are in very good hands with him.

The MAC-Centennial games were also tightly contested. I didn't see the Muhlenberg/Stevenson game, but there was a good crowd for Moravian/Del Val, both teams were into it and it had a big game feel to it, partly because the front offices for both conferences treated it as such. If the same is true for Muhlenberg/Stevenson, I don't see any reason why those conferences wouldn't do it again next year.

At some point the "South" region teams may question whether they really need to be members of ECAC at all, but that decision will presumably involve more than football.

All's well that ends well, I guess.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 23, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on November 23, 2015, 11:19:37 AM
I was one of the biggest bashers of this new ECAC format, when it was announced earlier this fall.

From all accounts it was a great success, and a high class operation.

If the webast quality is any indication, I'd say those accounts are accurate.

Congrats to all the teams and the ECAC on making the weekend a success.

I will now go eat some crow.

Did the local community come out to watch? How were the crowds for the six games?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 23, 2015, 08:47:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 23, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: NED3Guy on November 23, 2015, 11:19:37 AM
I was one of the biggest bashers of this new ECAC format, when it was announced earlier this fall.

From all accounts it was a great success, and a high class operation.

If the webast quality is any indication, I'd say those accounts are accurate.

Congrats to all the teams and the ECAC on making the weekend a success.

I will now go eat some crow.

Did the local community come out to watch? How were the crowds for the six games?

From what Pep could ascertain, max attendance was about 1000 at one of the games with the smallest crowd just under 700. Considering each team was forced to buy 300 tickets, seems the ECAC guaranteed itself a crowd of 600 for each game.

Pep wasn't able to make the trip, with AU playing the last of the games on a Sunday evening (library duty). And, NED might as well pass some of that crow over to Pep as he dissed the mandatory hotel after reading reviews that cited bed bugs and frogs. Pep has spoken with two or three Saxons and all said the hotel, albeit in the middle of nowhere, was very nice. Team had fun at the indoor pool and the team ate at a couple of nice restaurants, with good reviews.

AU escaped with an 11-10 win over a determined Fitchburg State team to prevent a clean sweep of the E8 teams as both Fisher and Buffalo State were beaten on Saterday.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wone3 on November 24, 2015, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 23, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
Seth Cantor does a great job. Back when we had audio broadcasts of playoff games, we used him for games in Upstate New York and he covered Merchant Marine for a lot of years. Those games are in very good hands with him.

The MAC-Centennial games were also tightly contested. I didn't see the Muhlenberg/Stevenson game, but there was a good crowd for Moravian/Del Val, both teams were into it and it had a big game feel to it, partly because the front offices for both conferences treated it as such. If the same is true for Muhlenberg/Stevenson, I don't see any reason why those conferences wouldn't do it again next year.

At some point the "South" region teams may question whether they really need to be members of ECAC at all, but that decision will presumably involve more than football.

All's well that ends well, I guess.

Didn't go to the Stevenson game but watched online...didn't get a good look on Muhlenberg side cause of the vidoe angle but it sounded like and looked like they had a decent crowd ( not a homecoming sized but not a rainy cold day style either). I would think they'd still want to do it next year as the Stevenson coach said in his during the week short video, they all recruit in similar areas for similar guys. It would be beneficial for these guys to see a game if possible nearby.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: desertcat1 on November 25, 2015, 11:46:38 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Safe travels. :-*
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on June 23, 2016, 10:53:50 AM
ECACs announce 2016 "bowl games" to take place in Philadelphia at Franklin Field @ UPenn

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2016/6/23/FB_0623163314.aspx?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on June 23, 2016, 11:31:48 AM
Wow! Very cool idea.

Franklin Field is a great venue. It's much bigger than needed, but the unique atmosphere will make up for it.

This should also make it more feasible for the PA-based ECAC members to participate if they want to, and the use of Franklin Field is a pretty cool incentive to do so. I hope the northern half of ECAC can make the trip down but, if not, maybe they do the same cross-conference challenge that the MAC-Centennial did last year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on June 23, 2016, 11:37:43 AM
Agreed - maybe it'll entice some of the MAC and CC teams to participate in this fall's bowl games.

I imagine you'll see several NJAC teams throw their hats in but not sure what teams from "northern" leagues / confs will think of the mileage to Philly...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Jonny Utah on June 23, 2016, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 21, 2015, 12:14:56 PM
My two cents on the ECAC's

-  It's just a football game.  Let's not make this too complicated.  You either want to play in it or you don't. The rankings should mean less than travel costs/issues. The NE teams need to realize that they might end up playing a good E8 team that didn't make the playoffs.  In 2015 though, it shouldn't be a blowout.

-  I have no problem with upstate teams just playing upstate teams they hadn't played in the regular season.  No reason to go from Ithaca to Bangor, Maine when you can just go to Troy or Canton.

- I don't mind the neutral site because chances are I live closer to that neutral site, and maybe more of the student body will too (if the games are during break).  I would go to New Britain for an Ithaca game over Ithaca, especially an ECAC game.

-  Speaking of New Britain, that place is blah-ville.  Why not have it someplace where there is something to do, like NYC or Boston, or even Philly.  Then the teams can stay overnight before and at least have some sort of experience out of the game/trip.

-  Move the Stagg Bowl to Florida.

That is all.

Ha.  I found this post of mine a few pages back.  Put me in the booth!!!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on June 24, 2016, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on June 23, 2016, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 21, 2015, 12:14:56 PM
My two cents on the ECAC's

-  It's just a football game.  Let's not make this too complicated.  You either want to play in it or you don't. The rankings should mean less than travel costs/issues. The NE teams need to realize that they might end up playing a good E8 team that didn't make the playoffs.  In 2015 though, it shouldn't be a blowout.

-  I have no problem with upstate teams just playing upstate teams they hadn't played in the regular season.  No reason to go from Ithaca to Bangor, Maine when you can just go to Troy or Canton.

- I don't mind the neutral site because chances are I live closer to that neutral site, and maybe more of the student body will too (if the games are during break).  I would go to New Britain for an Ithaca game over Ithaca, especially an ECAC game.

-  Speaking of New Britain, that place is blah-ville.  Why not have it someplace where there is something to do, like NYC or Boston, or even Philly.  Then the teams can stay overnight before and at least have some sort of experience out of the game/trip.

-  Move the Stagg Bowl to Florida.

That is all.

Ha.  I found this post of mine a few pages back.  Put me in the booth!!!!!



You're carrying the prophetic mantle, Jonny. +K

Pep was honored to carry said mantle when the E8 boys were drooling over Buffalo State's scheduling the two-time defending national champ Warhawks in Perkins Stadium back in 2012. They were saying it was gutsy for the Bengals to take on the Warhawks. I went one further and said the Bengals were not only gutsy enough to play the Warhawks, but that they would beat them so the sky high Bengals would come home to Coyer Field and face their Empire 8 debut against Pep's Alfred Saxons, who would gladly bring them back to earth. Check the outcome: Buffalo State 7, UW-Whitewater 6;   Alfred 40, Buffalo State 17.

End of boast. Carry on.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 14, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
http://www.ecacsports.com/splash.aspx?id=splash_3

Live selection show.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Did they change the venue again?
Penn?

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 14, 2016, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Did they change the venue again?
Penn?

I think that is going to be the central location for the PAC, E8, and NJAC schools.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 10:37:39 AM
which would be where?
cuz Philly is not an easy drive for most of the E8 rep, but im sure they would like the opportunity.


When picking teams- Fisher, Brockport and Utica are eligible

Do they all get nods?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 14, 2016, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 10:37:39 AM
which would be where?
cuz Philly is not an easy drive for most of the E8 rep, but im sure they would like the opportunity.


When picking teams- Fisher, Brockport and Utica are eligible

Do they all get nods?

I think with the NE schools playing among themselves (not in favor of it), this would be a good opportunity for the Top two East conferences along with some decent PAC teams to square off against each other. Hopefully the seedings are 1 v. 2 as oppose to 1 vs 8.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 14, 2016, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on November 14, 2016, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Did they change the venue again?
Penn?

I think that is going to be the central location for the PAC, E8, and NJAC schools.

Yes, venue will be at Penn's Franklin Field. ECAC keeping things very hush-hush as far as teams who submitted bids which could mean they a) don't have any many as we think / they say or b) the teams that have submitted aren't as "good", i.e., have 9-1 type records as they have in prior years.

Either way, we should know in about 20 mins...
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 14, 2016, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 14, 2016, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on November 14, 2016, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Did they change the venue again?
Penn?

I think that is going to be the central location for the PAC, E8, and NJAC schools.

Yes, venue will be at Penn's Franklin Field. ECAC keeping things very hush-hush as far as teams who submitted bids which could mean they a) don't have any many as we think / they say or b) the teams that have submitted aren't as "good", i.e., have 9-1 type records as they have in prior years.

Either way, we should know in about 20 mins...

I was kind of wondering about this.  Given that my alma mater (Carnegie Mellon) has been a participant several times in the recent past (including a game that I played in 2007, one of the reasons perhaps that I am far more enthusiastic than many posters about the ECAC games; we have also played in 2012 and 2015) and sits at 7-3, I assumed that we likely submitted for an ECAC bid and yesterday went to check the website to see if there was a list.  Was a little disappointed that the list of declared teams is not posted, and had both of the thoughts you mentioned.

What happened to the CC-MAC challenge from last year (http://www.centennial.org/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/CC_MAC_Bowl) - are they doing that again?

It appears so based on this...

http://www.centennial.org/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/Bowl-Series

...which could also contribute to a low # of declared teams for ECAC games.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 14, 2016, 12:06:46 PM
Awesome show!  :D
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 14, 2016, 12:16:42 PM
Friday, 11/18
Kean vs. Cortland (basically two .500 teams)
W&J vs. Brockport (great match up, maybe the best of the group)
Saturday, 11/19
Utica vs. Westminster
Frostburg vs Fisher (battle of NCAA Pool C contenders)
Sunday, 11/20
CMU vs Salisbury - (good match-up too)
SUNY Martime vs RPI
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 14, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: Teamski on November 14, 2016, 12:06:46 PM
Awesome show!  :D

Agree and some awesome matchups as well. Wish the RAMS were part of this.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 14, 2016, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 14, 2016, 12:16:42 PM
Friday, 11/18
Kean vs. Cortland (basically two .500 teams)
W&J vs. Brockport (great match up, maybe the best of the group)
Saturday, 11/19
Utica vs. Westminster
Frostburg vs Fisher (battle of NCAA Pool C contenders)
Sunday, 11/20
CMU vs Salisbury - (good match-up too)
SUNY Martime vs RPI

Wow, that Frostburg-Fisher game is one hell of a match up!  Well done to the ECAC getting those two together.   :D

-Ski
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 12:35:11 PM
The 2 battle it out to see which one "shoulda" made the dance?  ;D
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Upstate on November 14, 2016, 12:42:15 PM
I actually like all of those match ups!

Fisher/Frostburgh should be a great game!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2016, 12:44:39 PM
To answer a question posed below, the MAC-Centennial Bowl series is happening again. Delaware Valley travels to Muhlenberg and Albright hosts F&M.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 12:35:11 PM
The 2 battle it out to see which one "shoulda" made the dance?  ;D

Will pay attention to an ECAC game for the first time.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 01:51:05 PM
I think the match-up is very intriguing.

Well played by the ECACs

Actually many of the games have peaked my interest...


Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 14, 2016, 02:24:47 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 01:51:05 PM
I think the match-up is very intriguing.

Well played by the ECACs

Actually many of the games have peaked my interest...

Pep is persuaded that if 91 takes a peek at the peak, it will pique his interest, too!    ;)

Where's Gatto?

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 02:37:46 PM
*face palm*

killin me pep
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 14, 2016, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 14, 2016, 02:24:47 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 01:51:05 PM
I think the match-up is very intriguing.

Well played by the ECACs

Actually many of the games have peaked my interest...

Pep is persuaded that if 91 takes a peek at the peak, it will pique his interest, too!    ;)

Where's Gatto?
I think Gatto might be in Peking.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 02:49:29 PM
oh boy,
you guys are killing me.
whats next gatto getting a ride on the pequod?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 14, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 14, 2016, 02:49:29 PM
oh boy,
you guys are killing me.
whats next gatto getting a ride on the pequod?

Your post piqued Pep's interest.....haha....you're a good sport, 91! +K
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 18, 2016, 01:01:53 PM
Beautiful weather in Philly for the games this wed, at least until Sunday.

I like Cortland over Kean, especially if App can't go for the Cougars.

Also like Brockport over W&J.

Should be a good day of FB at Penn.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2016, 04:00:10 PM
Cortland getting buried 27-7 by Kean closing out the second quarter. Corts take opening kickoff and rather easily go up 7-0 on B. Segala 7-yard pitch to J. Mannix. Kean unstoppable beyond that. Segala with three INTs ........ but directs overhead attack in closing seconds of the half for 9-yard TD toss to Mannix

Unable to get ECAC All-Access video.......
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 18, 2016, 04:12:13 PM
Cortland trails Kean 27-14 at halftime.
Let's go, Red Dragons!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2016, 04:57:35 PM

Cortland/Kean becomes shootout .....RDragons within 27-21 midway into the third quarter on B. Segala 31-yd TD throw to J. Smith. Drive goes 88 yards after Cland blocks short Kean FG bid

Segala 18 of 29, 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 223 yards. Kean's C. App 13 of 15, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 181 yds and RB B. Matthews 20 lugs, 103 yds
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 18, 2016, 04:59:40 PM
Cortland gets a pick....then goes deep to Mannix, into the red zone....but held to field goal attempt....which goes wide left. Ugh.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2016, 05:07:50 PM

Don't know where Cortland sr kicker S. Cronin is.  No kicking today according to Live Stats. N. Mongelli misses FG

End of three: 27-21 ....

No video ....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 18, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
There's great video.

Go to ecacsports.com/watch
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2016, 05:12:28 PM
Have been there .......all we get is pause ....play by play underneath ....

Cortland on Segala arm on the move with eight minutes left. Takes over after Kean marches 80 plus yards and has FG blocked again ........27-21 ....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2016, 05:24:47 PM
Four seconds left ....Kean at Cortland 9 .....tied at 27  ...

Cortland earlier pulls even at 27 ........Mongelli  extra point kicks FAILS!!!  ......5:48 to play ....

Wish we could see it ..
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2016, 05:46:34 PM
Kean wins at the horn on A. Moshlavi 26 yd. FG .....30-27 ....
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 18, 2016, 08:48:14 PM
Dan Andrews with 2 TDs already in 1st qtr.

BP leads 17-7
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3viewer on November 18, 2016, 11:17:18 PM
WOW..Brockport chokes again. Up 31-13, give up 25 unanswered points to W and J and lose 38-31. Brockport was up 31-16 entering the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 19, 2016, 06:20:22 PM
Frostburg hangs 28 points on SJF in the first half.  Really impressive performance.

-Ski
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wesleydad on November 19, 2016, 07:14:37 PM
Just tuned back in and it is a beat down.  Frostburg looks good.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 20, 2016, 08:31:04 PM
As expected, dominant win by RPI in final bowl game.

Overall seemed like a good wkd of football. The venue was spectacular but probably too large for these types of games. A smaller stadium would work better IMO but a good job by the ECAC in coordinating this one.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 21, 2016, 10:55:37 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 20, 2016, 08:31:04 PM
As expected, dominant win by RPI in final bowl game.

Overall seemed like a good elf of football. The venue was spectacular but probably too large for these types of games. A smaller stadium would work better IMO but a good job by the ECAC in coordinating this one.

I really enjoyed all of the ECAC bowl games that I was able to watch this year along with the MAC/CC challenge and the Framingham State vs. Salve game. I think the ECAC did a great job with the video and analysis. I do agree with the large venue, but it allowed some the players the experience in playing in a D1-FCS facility. Congrats on all the teams that participated in the ECAC games. Hopefully the MAC, CC, and NE get back into the games, it was top notch. These games are always great, it allows for the Seniors to play one last game with their brothers and gives the younger guys an additional week of practice to gain some momentum into next year. Overall, I think both the NJAC and PAC teams took a step forward from these games.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 21, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on November 21, 2016, 10:55:37 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 20, 2016, 08:31:04 PM
As expected, dominant win by RPI in final bowl game.

Overall seemed like a good elf of football. The venue was spectacular but probably too large for these types of games. A smaller stadium would work better IMO but a good job by the ECAC in coordinating this one.

I really enjoyed all of the ECAC bowl games that I was able to watch this year along with the MAC/CC challenge and the Framingham State vs. Salve game. I think the ECAC did a great job with the video and analysis. I do agree with the large venue, but it allowed some the players the experience in playing in a D1-FCS facility. Congrats on all the teams that participated in the ECAC games. Hopefully the MAC, CC, and NE get back into the games, it was top notch. These games are always great, it allows for the Seniors to play one last game with their brothers and gives the younger guys an additional week of practice to gain some momentum into next year. Overall, I think both the NJAC and PAC teams took a step forward from these games.

I fully concur.  Presentation wise, it puts the ECAC games above that of the DIII playoffs.  I really enjoyed watching a fully produced DIII football game.  It would be folly for any East coast DIII conference to pass on these games.  This year's presentation and match-ups were absolutely stellar.

-Ski
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: gordonmann on November 21, 2016, 03:49:37 PM
QuoteI fully concur.  Presentation wise, it puts the ECAC games above that of the DIII playoffs.  I really enjoyed watching a fully produced DIII football game.  It would be folly for any East coast DIII conference to pass on these games.  This year's presentation and match-ups were absolutely stellar.

-Ski

There's still a question whether it works financially for some schools. The MAC teams are passing on the arrangement, even when it's in their back yard. I suspect that won't change for now.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 21, 2016, 04:40:09 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 21, 2016, 03:49:37 PM
QuoteI fully concur.  Presentation wise, it puts the ECAC games above that of the DIII playoffs.  I really enjoyed watching a fully produced DIII football game.  It would be folly for any East coast DIII conference to pass on these games.  This year's presentation and match-ups were absolutely stellar.

-Ski

There's still a question whether it works financially for some schools. The MAC teams are passing on the arrangement, even when it's in their back yard. I suspect that won't change for now.

I understand that it does not financially suit some schools, but the experience as a viewer was top notch, the best I have seen in DIII outside of Johns Hopkins and some West region schools.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 21, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 21, 2016, 03:49:37 PM
QuoteI fully concur.  Presentation wise, it puts the ECAC games above that of the DIII playoffs.  I really enjoyed watching a fully produced DIII football game.  It would be folly for any East coast DIII conference to pass on these games.  This year's presentation and match-ups were absolutely stellar.

-Ski

There's still a question whether it works financially for some schools. The MAC teams are passing on the arrangement, even when it's in their back yard. I suspect that won't change for now.

And such a position is pretty weak when it comes to the impact that a growing NIT-like tournament can make on recruitment and ultimately on the players themselves.  I can guarantee you that the  SJF and Frostburg players wanted that game bad! 

-Ski
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Olorin on November 22, 2016, 01:28:52 PM
The venue this year was spectacular. As soon as I walked into that stadium it reminded me of the old Yankee Stadium - (pre 1976) with the poles going up through the stands. I told my son to take a look around and remember the view of that field that he was playing on as it was something he could tell his grandkids about.

I get the financial situations some schools are in but it's a shame that their players couldn't participate at a venue like that one.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 01, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
Going to be 4 games this year, all played at University of Delaware's stadium.

More to come, but list of declared teams is now up to about 15 or so teams.

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: UfanBill on November 02, 2017, 02:41:57 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 01, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
Going to be 4 games this year, all played at University of Delaware's stadium.

More to come, but list of declared teams is now up to about 15 or so teams.

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx
Frank and Jim, any thoughts on why Union has not declared for this list. In the event that they fall to third in the LL a post season game in Delaware would still be a positive.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 02, 2017, 12:25:23 PM
Only RPI (and previously WPI) really participated in ECAC games. Hobart stopped over 10 years ago bc they supposedly couldn't "afford" to do it for all their teams (Ms & Ws), so they stopped submitting bids.

Union may just be waiting to see what happens this wkd vs. IC. The deadline isn't until the Monday after the NCAA brackets come out (and we think the ECAC should push it out a little bc Monday deadlines are never great).
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 02, 2017, 01:08:34 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 02, 2017, 12:25:23 PM

Union may just be waiting to see what happens this wkd vs. IC. The deadline isn't until the Monday after the NCAA brackets come out (and we think the ECAC should push it out a little bc Monday deadlines are never great).

Yeah, I've always wondered if some of that delay was just locker room management. "We haven't declared for the ECACs because we're not planning on losing these next two games." At least, that's how I'd be playing it if I were Union.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: UfanBill on November 02, 2017, 01:14:46 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 02, 2017, 12:25:23 PM
Only RPI (and previously WPI) really participated in ECAC games. Hobart stopped over 10 years ago bc they supposedly couldn't "afford" to do it for all their teams (Ms & Ws), so they stopped submitting bids.

Union may just be waiting to see what happens this wkd vs. IC. The deadline isn't until the Monday after the NCAA brackets come out (and we think the ECAC should push it out a little bc Monday deadlines are never great).
Union has participated in many ECAC games in the past. As a matter of fact they're 6-0! Their last ECAC game was in 2009 vs. Hartwick. They just haven't qualified or been chosen lately.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 02, 2017, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 01, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
Going to be 4 games this year, all played at University of Delaware's stadium.

More to come, but list of declared teams is now up to about 15 or so teams.

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx

I have visited Delaware Stadium some year's ago with a family friend to watch Delaware vs. UMASS. UMASS Defense was outstanding that game and held Delaware star running back to only 95 yards. I think he won or came close to winning the Walter Payton award a few years later. Nevertheless the defense was amazing with multiple picks.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 09, 2017, 12:15:06 PM
Current (realistic) candidates who've declared:

1. Alfred University
2. Utica College
3. Carnegie Mellon University
4. Widener University   
5. Frostburg State University
6. Salisbury University   
7. Maritime College (N.Y.)
8. Ithaca / RPI (one of these will get LL Pool A)
9. Stevenson University
10. Kean University
11. Curry College
12. Muhlenberg College
13.United States Merchant Marine Academy
14. Westminster College
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: tweisman5 on November 09, 2017, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 09, 2017, 12:15:06 PM
Current (realistic) candidates who've declared:

1. Alfred University
2. Utica College
3. Carnegie Mellon University
4. Widener University   
5. Frostburg State University
6. Salisbury University   
7. Maritime College (N.Y.)
8. Ithaca / RPI (one of these will get LL Pool A)
9. Stevenson University
10. Kean University
11. Curry College
12. Muhlenberg College
13.United States Merchant Marine Academy
14. Westminster College

Is your list of realistic candidates ordered by who you believe is most likely to receive a spot? If not, any thoughts of who are the most likely teams to earn a spot?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 09, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
No, this is the list cut and pasted from the ECAC website, minus likely NCAA participants who also filed as a hedge (e.g., Springfield, Wesley, etc). I don't have any rank or order to the below, but added some commentary which hopefully is helpful:

Alfred (strong resume, unless Cortland passes on NYS bowl, which could happen if it's Cortaca II, and they take that)
CMU (has participated in ECACs in the past on a regular basis, very likely they'd get a bid)
Frostburg (if they miss out via Pool C, probably first pick)
Salisbury (very attractive candidate)
SUNY (although they may have to go to / host a NE Bowl game b/c of ECFC pressure / affliation)
RPI (if they don't go to NCAAs, they are a lock IMO for a game)
Westminster (has gone in prior years, pretty much a lock IMO)

Probably not in it:
Widener (not sure about this given CC-MAC bowl games, Widener would prob play in that against Mules)
Muhlenberg (behind F&M in CC, prob goes to CC-MAC bowl too - there are two games)
Ithaca (kind of the biggest wild card since I don't think they've played in ECAC's for a while, if ever. They are in line for NYS bowl but that could go to Union or they could pass like Cortland if they don't get to NCAAs)

I suppose Curry could be in the mix (if they lose to Salve, they'd likely be out for NE contention) and I'd love to see USMMA make it, but their record will be one of the worst (assuming they win vs. CGA and go 5-4) of the field. Kean, another regular participant, needs to beat Rowan to be eligible at 5-5. Ultimately will depend on how final Wk 11 games go and if anything gets thrown out of whack.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 09, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 09, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
No, this is the list cut and pasted from the ECAC website, minus likely NCAA participants who also filed as a hedge (e.g., Springfield, Wesley, etc). I don't have any rank or order to the below, but added some commentary which hopefully is helpful:

Alfred (strong resume, unless Cortland passes on NYS bowl, which could happen if it's Cortaca II, and they take that)
CMU (has participated in ECACs in the past on a regular basis, very likely they'd get a bid)
Frostburg (if they miss out via Pool C, probably first pick)
Salisbury (very attractive candidate)
SUNY (although they may have to go to / host a NE Bowl game b/c of ECFC pressure / affliation)
RPI (if they don't go to NCAAs, they are a lock IMO for a game)
Westminster (has gone in prior years, pretty much a lock IMO)

Probably not in it:
Widener (not sure about this given CC-MAC bowl games, Widener would prob play in that against Mules)
Muhlenberg (behind F&M in CC, prob goes to CC-MAC bowl too - there are two games)
Ithaca (kind of the biggest wild card since I don't think they've played in ECAC's for a while, if ever. They are in line for NYS bowl but that could go to Union or they could pass like Cortland if they don't get to NCAAs)

I suppose Curry could be in the mix (if they lose to Salve, they'd likely be out for NE contention) and I'd love to see USMMA make it, but their record will be one of the worst (assuming they win vs. CGA and go 5-4) of the field. Kean, another regular participant, needs to beat Rowan to be eligible at 5-5. Ultimately will depend on how final Wk 11 games go and if anything gets thrown out of whack.

We will most likely get Westminster (PA), especially since we have a NJAC/MAC for the 1st game of the season.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 09, 2017, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 09, 2017, 02:34:41 PM

Ithaca (kind of the biggest wild card since I don't think they've played in ECAC's for a while, if ever. They are in line for NYS bowl but that could go to Union or they could pass like Cortland if they don't get to NCAAs)


Ithaca has played in it several times, albeit not since 2004. I'm not sure how often they have been a viable candidate since then, honestly. They've kind of bounced back and forth from conference champ to finishing pretty far down the list in conference
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 10, 2017, 12:26:38 AM
Hobart last participated in 2003, so kind of same deal, but IC filing is new as no other LL teams other than RPI have done that in a few years
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 10, 2017, 08:59:30 AM
Can someone clarify the timing on this?

Since there's no guarantee that IC will be selected for the ECACs, especially if they lose to Cortland, will they be able to see the outcome of that before making a decision on the NYS Bowl?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 10, 2017, 09:48:41 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 10, 2017, 08:59:30 AM
Can someone clarify the timing on this?

Since there's no guarantee that IC will be selected for the ECACs, especially if they lose to Cortland, will they be able to see the outcome of that before making a decision on the NYS Bowl?

ECAC's are announced on Monday morning. I'm not sure when you can back out of NYS Bowl but I would think Ithaca is a shoe- in.  ECAC bowl committee has three L/L reps, I would think RPI/IC  are in.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 10, 2017, 09:58:55 AM
http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bartman on November 10, 2017, 10:26:29 AM
Didn't realize that the E8 went 0-4 last year....RPI won their game.....if Hobart reconsidered , would they get in?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 10, 2017, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 10, 2017, 10:26:29 AM
Didn't realize that the E8 went 0-4 last year....RPI won their game.....if Hobart reconsidered , would they get in?

Hobart won't reconsider
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 12, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
Doesn't look like ECAC has updated their site for a bit, so it's possible a few more bids come in today, but here's the current "standings", so to speak:

Alfred University 7-3
Carnegie Mellon University 7-3
Widener University 7-3 (guessing they'll go to MAC-CC game tho)
Frostburg State University 9-1 (potential Pool C candidate)
Salisbury University 7-3
Maritime College (N.Y.) 9-1 (potential NE Bowl team)
Ithaca College 7-3 (potential NYS Bowl team)
Stevenson University 6-4
Curry College 8-2 (potential NE Bowl team)
Muhlenberg College 7-3 (likely CC-MAC bowl game participant)
United States Merchant Marine Academy 5-4
Westminster College 7-3
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 12, 2017, 05:56:25 PM
ECAC D3FootballFest will hold its Selection Monday at 12 noon tomorrow, when it will unveil its four games to be played at the University of Delaware. Pep is thinking Cortaca II must be determined prior to tomorrow's selection. Will Ithaca host Cortland Saterday in Cortaca II?

Who will confirm participants in the NYS Bowl...and when?

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 12, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
Okay, so Pep is going to take a wild guess at match-ups in the ECAC D3FootballFest:

Eastern  College  Athletic  Conference  (ECAC)  Division  III  Football Bowl Championships will be held at Tubby Raymond Field at Delaware Stadium on the campus of University of Delaware.

SCHEDULE
Friday, November 17
7:30 p.m.    Clayton Chapman Bowl
Muhlenberg (7-3) vs. Ithaca (6-4)

Saturday, November 18
11:00 a.m.   Asa S. Bushnell Bowl
Salisbury (7-3) vs. Westminster (7-3)

5:00 p.m.    Scotty Whitelaw Bowl
Alfred (7-3) vs. SUNY Maritime (9-1)

Sunday, November 19
12:00 p.m.  James Lynah Bowl
Carnegie-Mellon (7-3) vs. Curry (8-2)


This is just a wild guess. Selection Monday will occur at 12 noon tomorrow. We'll just wait and see who's in the ECACD3FootballFest and see how they match them up.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: tweisman5 on November 12, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 12, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
Okay, so Pep is going to take a wild guess at match-ups in the ECAC D3FootballFest:

Eastern  College  Athletic  Conference  (ECAC)  Division  III  Football Bowl Championships will be held at Tubby Raymond Field at Delaware Stadium on the campus of University of Delaware.

SCHEDULE
Friday, November 17
7:30 p.m.    Clayton Chapman Bowl
Muhlenberg (7-3) vs. Ithaca (6-4)

Saturday, November 18
11:00 a.m.   Asa S. Bushnell Bowl
Salisbury (7-3) vs. Westminster (7-3)

5:00 p.m.    Scotty Whitelaw Bowl
Alfred (7-3) vs. SUNY Maritime (9-1)

Sunday, November 19
12:00 p.m.  James Lynah Bowl
Carnegie-Mellon (7-3) vs. Curry (8-2)


This is just a wild guess. Selection Monday will occur at 12 noon tomorrow. We'll just wait and see who's in the ECACD3FootballFest and see how they match them up.

On Saxon Warriors!

I'm hopeful that my Stevenson Mustangs can find a spot in a bowl game! Maybe they take Salisbury's spot in your projections as they beat Albright, who is a common opponent. Also Stevenson has a stronger SOS too!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 12, 2017, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 12, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 12, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
Okay, so Pep is going to take a wild guess at match-ups in the ECAC D3FootballFest:

Eastern  College  Athletic  Conference  (ECAC)  Division  III  Football Bowl Championships will be held at Tubby Raymond Field at Delaware Stadium on the campus of University of Delaware.

SCHEDULE
Friday, November 17
7:30 p.m.    Clayton Chapman Bowl
Muhlenberg (7-3) vs. Ithaca (6-4)

Saturday, November 18
11:00 a.m.   Asa S. Bushnell Bowl
Salisbury (7-3) vs. Westminster (7-3)

5:00 p.m.    Scotty Whitelaw Bowl
Alfred (7-3) vs. SUNY Maritime (9-1)

Sunday, November 19
12:00 p.m.  James Lynah Bowl
Carnegie-Mellon (7-3) vs. Curry (8-2)


This is just a wild guess. Selection Monday will occur at 12 noon tomorrow. We'll just wait and see who's in the ECACD3FootballFest and see how they match them up.

On Saxon Warriors!

I'm hopeful that my Stevenson Mustangs can find a spot in a bowl game! Maybe they take Salisbury's spot in your projections as they beat Albright, who is a common opponent. Also Stevenson has a stronger SOS too!

Maybe Salisbury plays Stevenson for the battle of the real SU's. If we had the same record, I would agree, but we don't. We lost to two playoff teams (both 9-1) and one 8-2 team. We also played much more competively against Frostburg than you did. However, your game was very early and I'm sure you improved from that similar to how we are much better than that early loss to Albright. We would beat them if we played today.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: tweisman5 on November 12, 2017, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 12, 2017, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 12, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 12, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
Okay, so Pep is going to take a wild guess at match-ups in the ECAC D3FootballFest:

Eastern  College  Athletic  Conference  (ECAC)  Division  III  Football Bowl Championships will be held at Tubby Raymond Field at Delaware Stadium on the campus of University of Delaware.

SCHEDULE
Friday, November 17
7:30 p.m.    Clayton Chapman Bowl
Muhlenberg (7-3) vs. Ithaca (6-4)

Saturday, November 18
11:00 a.m.   Asa S. Bushnell Bowl
Salisbury (7-3) vs. Westminster (7-3)

5:00 p.m.    Scotty Whitelaw Bowl
Alfred (7-3) vs. SUNY Maritime (9-1)

Sunday, November 19
12:00 p.m.  James Lynah Bowl
Carnegie-Mellon (7-3) vs. Curry (8-2)


This is just a wild guess. Selection Monday will occur at 12 noon tomorrow. We'll just wait and see who's in the ECACD3FootballFest and see how they match them up.

On Saxon Warriors!

I'm hopeful that my Stevenson Mustangs can find a spot in a bowl game! Maybe they take Salisbury's spot in your projections as they beat Albright, who is a common opponent. Also Stevenson has a stronger SOS too!

Maybe Salisbury plays Stevenson for the battle of the real SU's. If we had the same record, I would agree, but we don't. We lost to two playoff teams (both 9-1) and one 8-2 team. We also played much more competively against Frostburg than you did. However, your game was very early and I'm sure you improved from that similar to how we are much better than that early loss to Albright. We would beat them if we played today.

MANDGSU

I've actually been thinking about that matchup this past week! I would love to finally play Salisbury in football as it would be a fun game to watch and give bragging rights to determine the real SU as you said! I agree Salisbury would hands down beat Albright if they were to play again as Albright has gone downhill and Salisbury has improved by leaps and bounds! That Frostburg game for us was frustrating as it was easy opportunities provided to them that we normally never make. I had a long post in our MAC board recapping the game earlier this season.

Anyways, let's both hope that this scenario does happen!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 12, 2017, 08:44:27 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 12, 2017, 08:29:21 PM
Maybe Salisbury plays Stevenson for the battle of the real SU's. If we had the same record, I would agree, but we don't. We lost to two playoff teams (both 9-1) and one 8-2 team. We also played much more competively against Frostburg than you did. However, your game was very early and I'm sure you improved from that similar to how we are much better than that early loss to Albright. We would beat them if we played today.

I think Salisbury will beat whoever they are matched with.  They are a tough NJAC team and like Frostburg last year, Salisbury will be a beast for whoever they get.

-Ski
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 12, 2017, 09:34:17 PM
When that wild guess was first posted, Pep had Stevenson in it, playing against Muhlenberg. But then Pep learned that Ithaca had declined to host the NYS Bowl because it would have been a Cortaca II. So Cortland State (E8#2) will travel to Union (LL#3) for the NYS Bowl.

Thus, Pep thought Ithaca (6-4) was a stronger entry than Stevenson (6-4), due most likely to Empire State bias as Pep didn't even look at SOS, common opponents, and other criteria. Hey, it's a wild guess!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 12, 2017, 11:21:31 PM
I don't see Salisbury beating a 7-3 Ithaca team with a more impressive schedule.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: UfanBill on November 13, 2017, 12:47:17 AM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 12, 2017, 11:21:31 PM
I don't see Salisbury beating a 7-3 Ithaca team with a more impressive schedule.

HUH?...Have you ever seen Salisbury play. They run an option offense, and strength of schedule? The NJAC can match the LL or E8 any year. If that's the match up the Bombers will have their hands full.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 13, 2017, 01:01:31 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 13, 2017, 12:47:17 AM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 12, 2017, 11:21:31 PM
I don't see Salisbury beating a 7-3 Ithaca team with a more impressive schedule.

HUH?...Have you ever seen Salisbury play. They run an option offense, and strength of schedule? The NJAC can match the LL or E8 any year. If that's the match up the Bombers will have their hands full.

Well, that question will be answered Saturday when Wesley plays RPI....

-Ski
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 13, 2017, 01:10:22 AM
NJAC is top heavy, Wesley and Frostburg are beasts and Salisbury feasted on the rest of the league. They didn't beat a strong team this year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 13, 2017, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 12, 2017, 09:34:17 PM
When that wild guess was first posted, Pep had Stevenson in it, playing against Muhlenberg. But then Pep learned that Ithaca had declined to host the NYS Bowl because it would have been a Cortaca II. So Cortland State (E8#2) will travel to Union (LL#3) for the NYS Bowl.

Thus, Pep thought Ithaca (6-4) was a stronger entry than Stevenson (6-4), due most likely to Empire State bias as Pep didn't even look at SOS, common opponents, and other criteria. Hey, it's a wild guess!

Ithaca's also 7-3, not 6-4.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 13, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 13, 2017, 01:10:22 AM
NJAC is top heavy, Wesley and Frostburg are beasts and Salisbury feasted on the rest of the league. They didn't beat a strong team this year.

Are you serious? ??? ??? ??? ??? We could have won each of those games, we were in each game until the final moments. Yes, the NJAC was somewhat top heavy this year, however the middle teams are very competitive. You have not clearly watch any Salisbury game this year and definitely not the games against both Frostburg and Wesley. I'll let everyone else comment on how their view of Salisbury this year.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 13, 2017, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 12, 2017, 11:21:31 PM
I don't see Salisbury beating a 7-3 Ithaca team with a more impressive schedule.

I for one have respect for Ithaca program, they were one of the few teams in the E 8 to have beaten us multiple times and also have played competitive when we were really up there in the rankings. However, as far as impressive, that is in the eye of the beholder.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 13, 2017, 10:05:28 AM
Updated based on NCAAs/MAC/NE bowl announcements

1. Alfred University
2. Utica College
3. Carnegie Mellon University
4. Widener University  
5. Frostburg State University
6. Salisbury University   
7. Maritime College (N.Y.)
8. Ithaca / RPI (one of these will get LL Pool A)
9. Stevenson University
10. Kean University
11. Curry College

12. Muhlenberg College
13.United States Merchant Marine Academy
14. Westminster College
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 13, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 13, 2017, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 12, 2017, 11:21:31 PM
I don't see Salisbury beating a 7-3 Ithaca team with a more impressive schedule.

I for one have respect for Ithaca program, they were one of the few teams in the E 8 to have beaten us multiple times and also have played competitive when we were really up there in the rankings. However, as far as impressive, that is in the eye of the beholder.

I have the same respect for the Salisbury program I just thought it was a reach for SKI to say that they would be too much for any team they're matched against. If you look at SOS I think you would agree that IC had a tougher schedule with some big wins. True, they didn't play the likes of Wesley or Frostburg but they did have some big wins like Cortland, Union and Hobart who I think Might really be the best team in L/L. When I look at Salisbury record I just don't see a big win. NJAC top teams are the best in the east along with Brockport but the rest are just average IMO. I would love to see IC matched up with Salisbury in a competitive game but I think IC will get Carnegie-Mellon.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 13, 2017, 10:53:58 AM
I too would like to see an IC SU game.
It has happened many a time where IC has faced an option team and had success.
From the Springfield days of old to when SU was in the E8.
I think it would be a nice matchup.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bartman on November 13, 2017, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: fisheralum91 on November 13, 2017, 10:53:58 AM
I too would like to see an IC SU game.
It has happened many a time where IC has faced an option team and had success.
From the Springfield days of old to when SU was in the E8.
I think it would be a nice matchup.
91,
   I agree , IC/SU would be a revealing matchup for conference strength, or even a Alfred/SU. GM
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: UfanBill on November 13, 2017, 12:09:17 PM
I hope the Fan Fest games are run better than the ECAC online selection show. They're on live now but don't seem to know it!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 13, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
Ithaca vs Salisbury 5pm Sat.  GO BOMBERS
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 13, 2017, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 13, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
Ithaca vs Salisbury 5pm Sat.  GO BOMBERS

Should be a really good game.  Nothing like having a great NJAC/LL showdown.

-Ski
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 13, 2017, 12:23:43 PM
Hmmm....guess I'll call the AU athletic office. Selection show is a bust.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: BomberJeff on November 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Clayton Chapman Bowl, Friday 7PM- Merchant Marine v Buffalo State

Asa S. Bushnell Bowl, Saturday 11AM- Muhlenberg v Carnegie-Mellon

Scotty Whitelaw Bowl, Saturday 5PM- Salisbury v Ithaca

James Lynah Bowl, Sunday Noon- Stevenson v Alfred
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 13, 2017, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: BomberJeff on November 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Friday 7PM- Merchant Marine v Buffalo State

Saturday 11AM- Muhlenberg v Carnegie-Mellon

Saturday 5PM- Salisbury v Ithaca

Sunday Noon- Stevenson v Alfred

Thanks, Jeff....the selection show was a dud here in Mayberry! +K
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2017, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: BomberJeff on November 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Friday 7PM- Merchant Marine v Buffalo State

Saturday 11AM- Muhlenberg v Carnegie-Mellon

Saturday 5PM- Salisbury v Ithaca

Sunday Noon- Stevenson v Alfred

Those look like 4 interesting games.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bartman on November 13, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Quote from: BomberJeff on November 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Clayton Chapman Bowl, Friday 7PM- Merchant Marine v Buffalo State

Asa S. Bushnell Bowl, Saturday 11AM- Muhlenberg v Carnegie-Mellon

Scotty Whitelaw Bowl, Saturday 5PM- Salisbury v Ithaca

James Lynah Bowl, Sunday Noon- Stevenson v Alfred
Four very good match ups. I think Saturday will be a great double header with  Salisbury v. Ithaca the marquee from my standpoint. Good luck to all the participants and congratulations on extending your seasons ....hoping the weather is good.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 13, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
Looks like we get the matchup everyone wanted. Ithaca has a new Coach so I am looking forward to see how they have improved. Their Defense has looked good over the past few weeks and there offense just lit up an pretty good Cortland team. This gives us chance to measure conferences within the East.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 13, 2017, 01:28:29 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 13, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
Looks like we get the matchup everyone wanted. Ithaca has a new Coach so I am looking forward to see how they have improved. Their Defense has looked good over the past few weeks and there offense just lit up an pretty good Cortland team. This gives us chance to measure conferences within the East.

I'm looking forward to what I think are the two best teams in the bowl games. I hope its a great game.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wesleydad on November 13, 2017, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 13, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Quote from: BomberJeff on November 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Clayton Chapman Bowl, Friday 7PM- Merchant Marine v Buffalo State

Asa S. Bushnell Bowl, Saturday 11AM- Muhlenberg v Carnegie-Mellon

Scotty Whitelaw Bowl, Saturday 5PM- Salisbury v Ithaca

James Lynah Bowl, Sunday Noon- Stevenson v Alfred
Four very good match ups. I think Saturday will be a great double header with  Salisbury v. Ithaca the marquee from my standpoint. Good luck to all the participants and congratulations on extending your seasons ....hoping the weather is good.

Wesley game at 1200, over by 3.  Maybe, if the weather does not suck I may swing by UofD and see the Salisbury/Ithaca game at 500.  45 min ride from Dover gives me time to grab a bite and head to the game.  HMMMMMM.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: AUPepBand on November 13, 2017, 07:46:08 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 13, 2017, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 13, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Quote from: BomberJeff on November 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Clayton Chapman Bowl, Friday 7PM- Merchant Marine v Buffalo State

Asa S. Bushnell Bowl, Saturday 11AM- Muhlenberg v Carnegie-Mellon

Scotty Whitelaw Bowl, Saturday 5PM- Salisbury v Ithaca

James Lynah Bowl, Sunday Noon- Stevenson v Alfred
Four very good match ups. I think Saturday will be a great double header with  Salisbury v. Ithaca the marquee from my standpoint. Good luck to all the participants and congratulations on extending your seasons ....hoping the weather is good.

Wesley game at 1200, over by 3.  Maybe, if the weather does not suck I may swing by UofD and see the Salisbury/Ithaca game at 500.  45 min ride from Dover gives me time to grab a bite and head to the game.  HMMMMMM.

Hey, stop by on Sunday if you want to see the Saxons in action against Stevenson! Although it will cost you a $20 bill.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 13, 2017, 08:33:38 PM
The Gulls vs The Bombers...great match-up! This would be a great win for the young Bombers and the LL. Go Bombers!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Teamski on November 13, 2017, 11:19:21 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 13, 2017, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 13, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Quote from: BomberJeff on November 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Clayton Chapman Bowl, Friday 7PM- Merchant Marine v Buffalo State

Asa S. Bushnell Bowl, Saturday 11AM- Muhlenberg v Carnegie-Mellon

Scotty Whitelaw Bowl, Saturday 5PM- Salisbury v Ithaca

James Lynah Bowl, Sunday Noon- Stevenson v Alfred
Four very good match ups. I think Saturday will be a great double header with  Salisbury v. Ithaca the marquee from my standpoint. Good luck to all the participants and congratulations on extending your seasons ....hoping the weather is good.

Wesley game at 1200, over by 3.  Maybe, if the weather does not suck I may swing by UofD and see the Salisbury/Ithaca game at 500.  45 min ride from Dover gives me time to grab a bite and head to the game.  HMMMMMM.

It's at UD, huh....... mmmmmmmm.......
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 14, 2017, 07:22:48 AM
Quote from: BomberJeff on November 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Asa S. Bushnell Bowl, Saturday 11AM- Muhlenberg v Carnegie-Mellon

My alma mater versus my dad's alma mater!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 14, 2017, 01:03:20 PM
Planning to be at the game this Saturday. Hopefully, I can watch some of the playoff games before and as a passenger. Looking ahead it appears that we may have some PM showers, which is not good for the Seagulls and great for Ithaca as they excel in crazy weather. If it gets too crazy, I'll go to a family member's house and watch online.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: dlippiel on November 14, 2017, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 14, 2017, 01:03:20 PM
Planning to be at the game this Saturday. Hopefully, I can watch some of the playoff games before and as a passenger. Looking ahead it appears that we may have some PM showers, which is not good for the Seagulls and great for Ithaca as they excel in crazy weather. If it gets too crazy, I'll go to a family member's house and watch online.

dlip thinks the Gulls will have to air it out a bit against the Bombers. That Bomber D is pretty tough. dlip loves this match-up!!!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on October 25, 2018, 01:39:35 PM
I've reached out twice to the ECAC w/o a response but am aware that there will be 3 games on 11/17. The whole D3FBFEST idea has been scrapped, so the games will occur at host / home sites of teams with the best records.

This is who the ECAC says has declared as of today (10/25):

2018 ECAC DIII Football Bowl Games Declared Teams
November 17 | Campus Sites
Wilkes University   MAC
Misericordia University   MAC
Washington & Jefferson College   PAC
FDU-Florham   MAC
Springfield College   NEWMAC
USMMA   NEWMAC
Utica College   Empire 8
Morrisville State   Empire 8
Alfred University   Empire 8
Ithaca College   Liberty League
Wesley College   NJAC
Waynesburg University   PAC

Based on the ECAC members list (which is pretty dated, website is from 2016), these are other likely / potential candidates based on current records.

Other teams that could file (or not - short list honestly given the other bowl games and NCAA implications):

CMU 4-3, 3-3 (Tartans have regularly participated in the ECAC bowls)
HUS 5-2, 4-0 (likely ECFC Pool A bid)
JHU 6-1, 5-1 (currently in 2nd place in CC, likely CC-MAC bowl participant if they lose to MUH)
MUH 7-0, 6-0 (currently in 1st place in CC, plays JHU on 10/27, possible Pool C team? if they lose)
RPI 6-0, 2-0 (currently in 1st place in LL, likely Pool A winner)
SALS 7-0, 6-0 (tied for 1st in NJAC but still have to play Rowan,WES and FSU - participated in ECACs last year)
SUNY-M 5-2, 3-1 (opted for NE Bowl last season)
STE 6-2, 5-1 (likely CC-MAC team)
Union 5-2, 1-2
WESTM 5-3, 4-2 (just upset W&J, participated last year)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 29, 2018, 05:06:15 PM
Carnegie Mellon just rescheduled their game against Geneva for the 17th, so their out for ECACs due to the tragic event this past week.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 01, 2018, 06:08:03 PM
A few more bids are in:

Bethany College   PAC
Grove City College   PAC
Westminster College   PAC
Frostburg State University   NJAC
SUNY-Maritime ECFC
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 02, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
Some projections:

Wilkes 5-4 (off this wkd, plays Kings in Wk 11) - finishing 6-4, 5-3 in the MAC still may not be enough to crack the top 3 CC-MAC bowl series (guessing 2 of the MAC teams will be MIS and STE, third team is still TBD). The Colonels would need to beat Kings and hope Widener (currently 4-2 and 3rd place in MAC play) to drops one of their games against FDU or DVC to end up .500 or worse. If both are 5-5 at the end of the season, it's not likely either would go bowling (Widener has not filed w/ ECACs yet so they are probably CC-MAC or bust).

FDU-Florham (plays Widener in Wk 10 & Stevenson in Wk 11) - unless they beat Widener, the Devils are probably not going to make the cut. 5-3 now so need to end up 6-4 at the worse case. Could pair up well against a PAC team or maybe USMMA given the proximity to NYC.

Springfield (plays Maine Maritime and MIT in Wks 10 & 11) - The Pride will likely get picked for a NE bowl appearance as one of top NEWMAC teams that won't end up in NCAAs. No chance they lose to MMA, so worse case is a 7-3 record.

USMMA (plays CUA and USCGA in Wks 10 & 11) - The Mariners win both and they should get the Pool B (we think). Loss to Coast Guard however could drop them into an ECAC game with a 7-2 mark.

Utica (plays Buff St and Hartwick in Wks 10 & 11) - There's a very good chance the Pios end up 6-4 and a solid potential ECAC bowl road candidate.

SUNY-MO (plays Hartwick & BP in Wks 10 & 11) - Mustangs are probably also looking at a 6-4 finish and being a potential road candidate also. They did beat UC H2H so they hold a tiebreaker type of edge there.

Alfred - still guessing they end up 7-3 with wins over Fisher and UofR, taking 2nd place in the E8 and hosting the NYS Bowl (given the H2H win over Cortland and it's the E8's year to host, mostly likely either a 6-3 or 5-4 Hobart team)

Ithaca (plays Hobart and Cort St in Wks 10 & 11) - if the Bombers win both games, they'll be 8-2 and in the position to host an ECAC game, given they already played Alfred and Cortland in the regular season and probably once again pass on the NYS game (see 2017). A loss to Hobart cements the Statesmen as the #2 team in the LL, with a win against SLU needed to lock that NYS game in.

Wesley (plays Salisbury and CNU in Wks 10 & 11) - if the Wolverines end up 7-3 they could also host an ECAC game, imo (albeit I secretly am hoping for an IC vs WES match up). If they lose to SALs and end up 6-4, they will be a road team most likely.

Waynesburg - with games against CWRU and W&J to end the season, I don't think we'll be seeing the Jackets in a bowl game.

SUNY-M - plays Hampton and GAL to end the season. Worse case looking at 7-3 or 6-4. If they end up 8-2, book them for another round of NE bowl as the ECFC rep. Prob vs. SC or MIT.

Bethany College - only 3-5, not likely going to make the cut.

Grove City and Westminster - both 5-3 but GC has an easier path to getting to a 6-4 or 7-3 mark than the Titans do. If Westminster knocks off CMU and Geneva to get to 7-3, they could be a host.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 03, 2018, 09:19:18 AM
FDU's win creates a log-jam for 3rd in the MAC with three 4-3 teams. The Devils have the best overall record as of now, but they could be jumped by Wilkes into that 3rd bowl game bc of a H2H win. Either way, it's a historic victory for the Devils and they should be in good shape for an ECAC bid even if they lose to Stevenson in the season finale.

Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 06, 2018, 11:47:49 AM
Updated "standings"
Teams who bid but will who'll almost definitely play elsewhere:
MIS (likely top rated MAC team in the CC-MAC series), SUNY-M (clear 2nd place team in ECFC, likely headed back to NE bowl as ECFC rep)

Teams that probably won't qualify:
Waynesburg, Bethany

The field:

W&J - 8-1, needs to beat Waynesburg (4-5) to clinch PAC Pool A, lose and no Pool C shot unless CRWU loses too. In the unlikely event they lost to Wayne, they would be a good host candidate at 8-2
FDU - 6-3, should have a good shot at bid, even if they lose to Stevenson and end up 6-4.
Wilkes - 5-4, should have a good shot at 3rd MAC-CC bowl, if they lose to Kings and end up 5-5 would be an ECAC bubble team
SC - 7-2, will depend on MIT game, they win and they'll go a NE bowl, lose to go 7-3 and SC is a potential host or road team
USMMA 7-1, would end up in ECACs if they lost to CGA and miss the Pool B bid bc TMU gives SJU a good run
Utica - 6-3, could end up in an ECAC game, SUNY-Mo beat them H2H so you'd think at 6-4 (losers to BP), could block them, but their overall resume is strong, played a lot of top teams closely
SUNY-MO - 6-3, see above
AU - 5-4, kind of a surprise but a 6-4 mark with a win over UofR Saturday could get them a bid as a road team
IC - 7-2, win or lose Cortaca, will see IC get a bid, probably as a host team
WES - 6-3, beat CNU to go 7-3 and WES could be a host (would be awesome if they played IC tho)
GCC - 6-3, looking like a lock to go 7-3
Westminister - 6-3, beat a good CMU team and should also end up 7-3 (lost to GCC h2h, but upset W&J)
FSU - 8-0, beats Salisbury and goes to NCAAs, loses and is probably in Pool C, but no guarantees.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 06, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
ECAC reserves right to add a 4th game, but has officially announced 3 for now
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: BomberJeff on November 12, 2018, 12:55:59 AM
So, let's see what we are looking at now with the field.

Wilkes (5-5), FDU-Florham (6-4), Springfield (7-3), USMMA (7-2), Utica (7-3), Morrisville State (6-4), Alfred (6-4), Ithaca (8-2), Wesley (6-4), Grove City (7-3), Westminster (7-3), Bethany (5-5), and Salisbury (8-2).

Morrisville beat Utica head to head, same for Grove City over Westminster, USMMA over Springfield, Morisville State over Utica, Wesley defeated Salisbury and Wilkes over FDU-Florham. Alfred went 1-2 against these teams, beating Morrisville State but losing to Utica and Ithaca.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: BomberJeff on November 12, 2018, 01:40:30 AM
I must admit, I don't really know what the logic is with scheduling in the ECAC.  That said, I'm going to take a stab and see if I can come up with 3 (or 4) games for a guess. I am going to try and keep travel reasonable as my best attempt at being realistic.

A- Springfield at Ithaca: a Empire 8 rematch with 2 teams no longer in the conference.
B- Westminster at Salisbury: somebody has to go to Maryland and Wesley already played them in the regular season. I will take Westminster here on the basis of their more impressive SOS and win over W&J, even losing to Grove City.
C- Utica at USMMA: Given the mess of head to heads involved here, I'm just going to go with best record in the E8 but say they have not earned a home game, which is fine as I don't have an issue with USMMA getting a host spot.

If they go 4 games: Grove City instead gets sent to Salisbury.  Westminster gets a home game against... I feel like I'm just throwing darts at this point.  On the basis of SOS, I'm going to say Wesley.

On my guesses, regardless of 3 games or 4, I don't see Morrisville State, Alfred or FDU-Florham going in. Wilkes and Bethany are non-starters due to not having winning records.

Again, largely uneducated guessing.  Granted, what else is new for this board?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 12, 2018, 10:17:36 AM
I think Salisbury may have been a late addition to the Bowl landscape. I didn't think we declared. However, we never missed an opportunity to have one. I am not sure who we are going to play, but hopefully  it's a good team. I'd rather the top teams play each other , other than weaker vs. Stronger. Nevertheless, it's a good opportunity to play another game for the Seniors (especially Pipich) and significant practice time for younger guys.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: NED3Guy on November 12, 2018, 10:39:29 AM
Springfield hosting SUNY Martitme in New England Bowl.

Write up on SUNY Martitme website.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: thewaterboy on November 12, 2018, 11:18:41 AM
Any idea on when and where these matchups will be posted?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 12, 2018, 12:28:08 PM
Alfred @ Salisbury

Wesley @ Westminster

Utica @ Ithaca (Cornell University)

Morrisville @ Grove city


Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 12, 2018, 12:37:51 PM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 12, 2018, 12:28:08 PM
Alfred @ Salisbury

Wesley @ Westminster

Utica @ Ithaca (Cornell University)

Morrisville @ Grove city

These are awesome matchups. I like the pairings and I think each game will be competitive.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: south hill observer on November 12, 2018, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 12, 2018, 12:37:51 PM
Quote from: south hill observer on November 12, 2018, 12:28:08 PM
Alfred @ Salisbury

Wesley @ Westminster

Utica @ Ithaca (Cornell University)

Morrisville @ Grove city

These are awesome matchups. I like the pairings and I think each game will be competitive.



I would of loved to see Ithaca vs Wesley
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bombers798891 on November 12, 2018, 01:01:54 PM
Ithaca/Utica? At a "neutral" site?

Hard pass. Seriously hard pass

I'm confident, however, that the Pioneers are not going to hit that 75 point mark against IC
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: UfanBill on November 12, 2018, 01:07:20 PM
So the Liberty League (or specific members) has in large part opted out of ECAC games. Only Ithaca declared interest.  They've also reportedly decided not to participate in the New York Bowl, a game set up last season to match E8 #2 against LL #2. For the second straight year the NY Bowl would have been a rematch of Ithaca/ Cortland. I can see why Ithaca would not want a Cortaca replay but would be open to an ECAC game.  7-2 Union and 5-4 Hobart have decided nine games is enough to the dismay of their fans but maybe the benefit of their student athletes. Saturday during halftime of the Union/ RPI " Dutchman Shoes" game I had a chance encounter with the Union AD. I asked him about Union declaring for the ECAC's. He said he was unaware that you had to "declare" for such a game ??? and then said Union hadn't in many years (largely because they didn't qualify). I mentioned that Hobart wasn't even an ECAC member and he said he thought they must be (they're not).  He correctly pointed out that Union was on finals next week(*note* Union is on a tri-semester academic calendar meaning they have three 10 week terms, the first of which has finals next week) and compared his experience with trying to study for finals while preparing for a post season football game as an academic disadvantage. (he played football at Union in the 90's and played in NCAA and ECAC games) The point is, the administration at certain schools (see the NESCAC) thinks too much football is too much. I'm happy for all the fans of schools that are playing post season and am ecstatic that my team, Union, ended on a Shoes victory.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 12, 2018, 02:20:03 PM
Here's our ECAC bowl show FWIW:

https://www.facebook.com/D3Huddle/videos/2187962241260197/
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Bartman on November 12, 2018, 02:22:02 PM
Well, sounds like the Union AD needs to understand the opportunities for post season play better. I think Union and Hobart should be honest and just admit that they feel it is NCAA or bust. Even if Hobart passed on the NY S Bowl for whatever reason, then Union would have been in the mix, especially since they played last year. If the teams voted on it or the coaches decided what would be in the best interest of the team, then so be it. I just don't like holding out the opportunity to play one more game OOC, and then just saying no at the last minute. Then, just say we only play for the NCAAs and be clear about your position for the fans, but more importantly for the student athletes. This could have an impact on recruiting and player retention if you are not clear about your policy.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 16, 2018, 10:36:59 AM
Forecast shaping up to be very nice on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. Salsibury and Alfred are familiar foes, hoping to watch a great game with the W in the Seagull Column, can't have a collapse like we did last year in Delaware against Ithaca. I'm not sure how good Alfred is this year, but I think they will be ready to play, they beat the Gulls the last time they came to Salisbury in a close contest (23-21). I am predicting a 31-17 win for the Seagulls.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: thewaterboy on November 16, 2018, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 16, 2018, 10:36:59 AM
Forecast shaping up to be very nice on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. Salsibury and Alfred are familiar foes, hoping to watch a great game with the W in the Seagull Column, can't have a collapse like we did last year in Delaware against Ithaca. I'm not sure how good Alfred is this year, but I think they will be ready to play, they beat the Gulls the last time they came to Salisbury in a close contest (23-21). I am predicting a 31-17 win for the Seagulls.
Gonna be a chilly one in Western PA for the Wesley-Westminster game. Really don't know what to expect from this year's Wesley squad. They should win, but I think they should have also won against Montclair, Rowan, Frostburg and CNU.... who knows. I just hope they can finish the year on a high note.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: wesleydad on November 16, 2018, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on November 16, 2018, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 16, 2018, 10:36:59 AM
Forecast shaping up to be very nice on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. Salsibury and Alfred are familiar foes, hoping to watch a great game with the W in the Seagull Column, can't have a collapse like we did last year in Delaware against Ithaca. I'm not sure how good Alfred is this year, but I think they will be ready to play, they beat the Gulls the last time they came to Salisbury in a close contest (23-21). I am predicting a 31-17 win for the Seagulls.
Gonna be a chilly one in Western PA for the Wesley-Westminster game. Really don't know what to expect from this year's Wesley squad. They should win, but I think they should have also won against Montclair, Rowan, Frostburg and CNU.... who knows. I just hope they can finish the year on a high note.

This game will say plenty about the character of the players.  Do they show up and go out with a win playing a solid game or do they play sloppy like they did in the loses, all of which could/should have been wins and go out with another disappointing game. 
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: thewaterboy on November 16, 2018, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 16, 2018, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on November 16, 2018, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 16, 2018, 10:36:59 AM
Forecast shaping up to be very nice on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. Salsibury and Alfred are familiar foes, hoping to watch a great game with the W in the Seagull Column, can't have a collapse like we did last year in Delaware against Ithaca. I'm not sure how good Alfred is this year, but I think they will be ready to play, they beat the Gulls the last time they came to Salisbury in a close contest (23-21). I am predicting a 31-17 win for the Seagulls.
Gonna be a chilly one in Western PA for the Wesley-Westminster game. Really don't know what to expect from this year's Wesley squad. They should win, but I think they should have also won against Montclair, Rowan, Frostburg and CNU.... who knows. I just hope they can finish the year on a high note.

This game will say plenty about the character of the players.  Do they show up and go out with a win playing a solid game or do they play sloppy like they did in the loses, all of which could/should have been wins and go out with another disappointing game.
Seems they have the talent... and IMO the coaching.... just need to show up and play.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: tony/troy on October 31, 2019, 12:25:58 AM
For those out of the running for either the NCAA tournament, the three MAC- CC bowl games, the two New England bowl games or the New York bowl, the ECAC web site had finally posted an early list of declared teams for the either three or four ECAC bowl games.

However, I am stumped by one thing. The ECAC manual clearly states that an institution must be a dues paying member of the ECAC in order to participate in these bowls. Yet there are two institutions listed as declared that are nowhere to be found on the ECAC web sites' list of D3 members. Pretty sure I would be quite irritated at this outfit if my particular no longer a contender got stiffed in favor of a non member.

Anyone know what the deal is with this??
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: UfanBill on October 31, 2019, 12:59:11 AM
Quote from: tony/troy on October 31, 2019, 12:25:58 AM
For those out of the running for either the NCAA tournament, the three MAC- CC bowl games, the two New England bowl games or the New York bowl, the ECAC web site had finally posted an early list of declared teams for the either three or four ECAC bowl games.

However, I am stumped by one thing. The ECAC manual clearly states that an institution must be a dues paying member of the ECAC in order to participate in these bowls. Yet there are two institutions listed as declared that are nowhere to be found on the ECAC web sites' list of D3 members. Pretty sure I would be quite irritated at this outfit if my particular no longer a contender got stiffed in favor of a non member.

Anyone know what the deal is with this??

Thanks for your research. In looking at the ECAC website the only caveat I see is the date(s) of their compiled lists. The "declared" page shows dates of both 2017 and 2018. The "members" list is dated May 5, 2016. Do you know if these lists have been recently updated?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on October 31, 2019, 10:58:05 AM
The declared list of teams I see is from last season. Will reach out and see when that's scheduled to be updated.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on October 31, 2019, 11:13:40 AM
This is the updated list of applicants as of today:

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 31, 2019, 11:16:02 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on October 31, 2019, 11:13:40 AM
This is the updated list of applicants as of today:

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2017/10/24/2017%20D3FBFEST%20Declared%20Teams.aspx

I like the Brevard addition from the USA South. Would be nice if CNU, Montclair, and Rowan would get on Board. I'm sure we will see more teams get added after this weekend.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
CNU isn't going to qualify, at 2-5 with Salisbury, Rowan and Wesley left to play.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 31, 2019, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
CNU isn't going to qualify, at 2-5 with Salisbury, Rowan and Wesley left to play.

This was more in general. They would have qualified last year and considering they didn't have 10 games, would have been a nice reward for a solid team. I would like for the OAC schools to get on board as well, the more OOC data points the better. That's why I prefer the ECAC over the NYBowl and MAC/CC challenge, because it it allows for you to possibly match-up against teams that you may not face otherwise.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Oline89 on October 31, 2019, 11:30:01 AM
Nice to see RPI on the list, I still don't understand why Hobart never participates
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on October 31, 2019, 11:42:44 AM
They decided to leave the ECAC for "financial reasons".
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: UfanBill on October 31, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: Oline89 on October 31, 2019, 11:30:01 AM
Nice to see RPI on the list, I still don't understand why Hobart never participates

So far Union has not declared. Last year when I asked the Union AD about declaring for the ECAC's he said he wasn't aware you had to declare. ??? (read my post on this board from Nov. 12, 2018) He also said Hobart "must be an ECAC member". This guy, a former Union football captain who played in an ECAC game himself, seemed to not have a clue.  ::)  Disappointing. I hope he has educated himself and the Dutchmen are on board but so far there's no evidence that is true. Of course win Saturday and the ECAC's can be ignored again. The Dutchmen, who didn't participate in post season play last year even though they finished 7-2, haven't played an ECAC game since 2009. These Dutchmen deserve to be on the field November 23rd.
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Ice Bear on October 31, 2019, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on October 31, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: Oline89 on October 31, 2019, 11:30:01 AM
Nice to see RPI on the list, I still don't understand why Hobart never participates

So far Union has not declared. Last year when I asked the Union AD about declaring for the ECAC's he said he wasn't aware you had to declare. ??? (read my post on this board from Nov. 12, 2018) He also said Hobart "must be an ECAC member". This guy, a former Union football captain who played in an ECAC game himself, seemed to not have a clue.  ::)  Disappointing. I hope he has educated himself and the Dutchmen are on board but so far there's no evidence that is true. Of course win Saturday and the ECAC's can be ignored again. The Dutchmen, who didn't participate in post season play last year even though they finished 7-2, haven't played an ECAC game since 2009. These Dutchmen deserve to be on the field November 23rd.

Ice Bear agrees whole-****ing-heartedly!
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Doid23 on October 31, 2019, 04:57:48 PM
I think with it being finals week at Union, you'd get a team that is coming off a good 8-1 season if they beat RPI in The Shoes, and can't imagine getting a great effort for the ECAC game.
Now, if it wasn't finals week? Then I think it would be a great opportunity for the team. But I get why the AD wouldn't really care about the ECAC bowl. I mean, who really does?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: Ice Bear on October 31, 2019, 05:01:08 PM
Quote from: Doid23 on October 31, 2019, 04:57:48 PM
I think with it being finals week at Union, you'd get a team that is coming off a good 8-1 season if they beat RPI in The Shoes, and can't imagine getting a great effort for the ECAC game.
Now, if it wasn't finals week? Then I think it would be a great opportunity for the team. But I get why the AD wouldn't really care about the ECAC bowl. I mean, who really does?

Ice says a fair point and taking finals into account it makes sense. Ice would almost want to leave it up to the kids?
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 05, 2019, 03:37:09 PM
Current declared teams (my comments):

Utica College (needs to finish 5-5 to have a chance)
Wilkes University (prob goes MAC-CC game)
FDU Florham (won't qualify)
Brockport   (goes to NCAAs if they win Saturday)
Carnegie Mellon   (at 6-2 a likely pick)
Morrisville State   (needs to beat SJF this wkd to have a shot)
Alfred University (could see them in NYS bowl if that actually happens)
Widener University (needs to beat King's this wkd to have a chance)
Washington and Jefferson (sitting at 5-3 has a good shot)
Brevard College   (USA South team from NC - interesting...., they're 5-2)
RPI (5-3 now but likely 5-5 at season's end, could be on bubble)
Grove City College (6-2 and likely pick after last year)
Springfield College (could end up winning Pool A bid, or likely NE Bowl pick if not)
Wesley College (counting on them to get a Pool C)
Westminster College (good candidate sitting at 6-2)
Title: Re: ECACs
Post by: ITH radio on November 11, 2019, 04:49:39 PM
Updated as of 11/11

Utica College - likely not going to qualify
Wilkes University - likely the 3rd team in the MAC-CC
FDU Florham - won't qualify
Carnegie Mellon   - sitting at 7-2 a good host candidate
Morrisville State   - plays BP so likely will finish 5-5 (bubble)
Alfred University - 5-4 right now, plays SJF, likely ends up 6-4 (could be in NYS Bowl consideration)
Widener University - plays DVU in Wk 11, likely ends up 5-5 (bubble)
Washington and Jefferson 6-3 now, good shot at 7-3 overall and host
Brevard College   likely ends up 6-3, probably a road candidate
RPI - 6-3 but has to play Union, road candidate if 6-4, maybe host if they end up 7-3
Grove City College - will end season 8-2, likely host, especially after last season
Springfield College - could end up in NCAAs or NE Bowl, 6-3 with MIT game in Wk 11
Wesley College - likely only East Pool C bid
Westminster College - sitting at 6-3, likely ends up 7-3
Kean University   - won't qualify
Ithaca College - 7-2 overall, could end up 8-2 and host