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Title: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Jim Matson on June 11, 2006, 12:00:45 AM
Does the USA have a chance this time?!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 11, 2006, 12:12:31 AM
Hiker Jim, when I found this message board, your posting number was at "666".

That is a strange convergence.

I was impressed with the way that the Ivory Coast took it to the Argentinians.  They never let up!

Thanks for moderating the Soccer Board! :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 11, 2006, 12:25:34 AM
It wasn't just Trinidad, it was also Tobago. Interesting day.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2006, 12:37:33 AM
Quote from: Hiker Jim on June 11, 2006, 12:00:45 AM
Does the USA have a chance this time?!

Jim,

Anywhere from 3-and-out and winning it all would not shock me.  I'd certainly prefer they WIN pool E, 'cause playing the Brazilians too early can't be good!

Totally a gut hunch, but I think they'll take Croatia on Monday.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on June 11, 2006, 02:27:50 AM
After watching England (unimpressive play, at best) and hearing about Sweden, maybe  we have a first round with some serious upset potential.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 11, 2006, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2006, 12:37:33 AM
Quote from: Hiker Jim on June 11, 2006, 12:00:45 AM
Does the USA have a chance this time?!

Jim,

Anywhere from 3-and-out and winning it all would not shock me.  I'd certainly prefer they WIN pool E, 'cause playing the Brazilians too early can't be good!

Totally a gut hunch, but I think they'll take Croatia on Monday.

???

If the "they" is Brazil, the match is Tuesday; if it's the USA, they're playing the Czech Republic Monday.

I don't think the USA has enough firepower to advance, but the group results depend more on how well the Azzuri play than anything else.  Italy could get 9 points, or let their many distractions affect their play and go out early.  It should be interesting to watch.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2006, 06:57:01 PM
Oops, sorry for the brain-fart - I meant the Czechs, though their 6'8" striker is gonna be a serious challenge.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gray Fox on June 11, 2006, 10:56:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 11, 2006, 12:12:31 AM
Hiker Jim, when I found this message board, your posting number was at "666".

Thanks for moderating the Soccer Board! :)

That must mean it will be a hell of a good board. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 12, 2006, 12:52:38 AM
Good tournament so far. I've watched 6 of the eight games.

Netherlands didn't finish well, but with their ball control and the defense they played today, one goal is all they need. Looking forward to Netherlands v. Argentina

All the goals in the Mexico - Iran game were pretty. How tough must it be for Sanchez to bury his father on this past Wednesday and then return for the tournament?

Haven't wached the Portugal - Angola game yet. Have it on tape.

Predictions for Tomorrow:
Socceroos 2 - Japan 1
Azzuri 2 - Ghana 0
USA 1 - Czech Republic 0
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 01:28:39 AM
I'll agree with you on the USA-CR game (I'll even agree on the margin), but I can't see the CR shutting down so (almost) totally Beasley, Donovan, McBride, etc., and their 6'8" striker (whose name escapes me at the moment) scares the s*** out of me - I'll call it 3-2, USA.

IF we are right in this prediction, I'm fairly confident we will advance.  But I sure would like a victory also over Italy - otherwise we may escape Group E, but would likely face Brazil in round 2!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 12, 2006, 08:57:14 AM
given that the czech epublic is getting old and slow, has a ton of injuries, and has some defensive problems and italy also has a ton of injuries, i would consider it a failure if the US failed to advance out of group play.

the US has a defender in Oguchi Onyewu thats the huge than can contain the 6'8" guy. He's considered the most intimidating defender in the whole World Cup, being 6'5" and weghing 216 lbs. By the way, Czech Republic lost to the Netherlands is qualifying 2-0 and Romanio 3-0 and Jan Koller (the 6'8" guy) didn't do anything. He did have 9 goals in qualifying, but they all came against pretty bad teams and hes struggling to come off knee surgery.

On the other hand, US only lost one game in qualifying to #4 ranked Mexico 2-1 then revenged the lost 2-0. Also beat the Cinderella Trinidad and Tobago! US also had 8 shutouts in qualifying, and our goalie Kasey Keller is considered to be one of the best in the world!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2006, 11:19:38 AM
How about them Aussie's.  Maybe if they didn't have a part-time coach, they would have figured out earlier that the Japanese offense wasn't good enough to counter well and put three forwards in from the start.


Can we beat the Czechs?  Yes, most definately!  Are their injry reports overrated?  Yes; most everyone will be fit and on the pitch!  Will we beat the Czechs?  I honestly don't see how, but I have to say Yes because this would give us the easiest path into the next round!

We're going to have to score two though; I doubt we hold them scoreless.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2006, 11:22:39 AM

I'm not sure if this topic is old yet or not, but since I just found the board I have to say it.

Have you ever seen a top-tier team miss so many crosses as England did in the first match?  I mean how can all of those guys be so bad at lobbing the ball accross the pitch with any accuracy?  No one could hit anywhere close to the targets the whole match.  And Beckham, the only one who can pass with any accuracy, decided to run from the ball like a 2nd grade girl in gym class.  Unbelieveable.  I still have them winning the whole thing though.  Sven will get it worked out; they have enough bench guys to compensate for the prima-donas.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2006, 11:55:37 AM
As the father of a second-grade girl, I am offended. :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 12, 2006, 01:38:59 PM
The US is currently down 3-0.  The US looks just flat our horrible.  Too many mistakes on defense. Terrible passing. They don't look like they have any idea what the hell they are doing on offense. I know that sometimes you have to pass backwards to go forwards, but you arent going to ever win if you keep passing backwards 90% of the time.  WHen they did have good opportunities to score, they mae completely idiotic poasses or didn't apss when they should. This looked more like the 1990 USA team that got their ass kicked rather than the 5th ranked USA team of this year.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 01:49:40 PM
Reminds me of the chant...

Oh vuh ray ted!
Oh vuh ray ted!

The US team definitely looks uninspired.

I sometimes wonder about how much hype these guys get relative to their accomplishments. :-\
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 12, 2006, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: > on June 12, 2006, 01:38:59 PMThis looked more like the 1990 USA team that got their ass kicked rather than the 5th ranked USA team of this year.

FIFA World Rankings (http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,All-May-2006,00.html)

I wonder if anyone outside the USA ever even acknowledges these idiotic rankings.  Who here thinks the USA (#5t) is better than France (#8) or Argentina (#9)?  Who would you take in a match between Egypt and Germany?  Guess again; Egypt (#17) is two places ahead of Germany (#19.)  #42 Australia just made #18 Japan look foolish. 

Even FIFA doesn't seem to take their own rankings seriously; after all, in Group E, Italy (#13) is the seeded team, despite being the second-lowest ranked team in the group (Czech Rep. #2, USA #5t).  The 8 seeded teams carry the rankings 1, 4, 5t, 8, 9, 10, 13, 19; five teams that didn't even make the field are ranked higher than the seeded Germans.

It's too bad the World Cup wasn't played in April, when the USA was ranked #4.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 12, 2006, 02:29:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 01:49:40 PM
Reminds me of the chant...

Oh vuh ray ted!
Oh vuh ray ted!

The US team definitely looks uninspired.

I sometimes wonder about how much hype these guys get relative to their accomplishments. :-\

Nedved for the Czech Republic said we were teh dark horse of the whole tournament, so it's not like it's jsut the media hyping up the US!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2006, 02:34:21 PM
I haven't ever seen the Chechs before.  They are far and away better than expected.  That is one heck of a football squad.  Man, we just got whupped today.  That second goal never should have happened, but even if every break went our way it still would have been a 2-1 loss.  Very impressed by this squad; if Brazil doesn't win it, its going to be these guys.  They would have beaten any team that has played thus far.


That being said, its really sad that we couldn't come up with four world-class defenders to throw out there.  John O'Brien should have been in from the beginning and losing Spector to injry last month just killed us.  Eddie Pope is a great guy and all, but he should be nothing more than an emergency sub.

I know how much they want MLS to succeed, but we need to get our guys over to Europe as fast as possible.  Eddie Johnson could have done some real damage had he ever faced players of this calibre before.

Regardless, I still think we're better than Italy and Ghana, so we should be able to earn the chance to get steamrolled by Brazil in the round of 16.  We can only hope.  One thing's for sure: while the US may have a top ten squad, we certainly have a long way to go before we can compete with the big boys.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2006, 02:41:35 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 12, 2006, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: > on June 12, 2006, 01:38:59 PMThis looked more like the 1990 USA team that got their ass kicked rather than the 5th ranked USA team of this year.

FIFA World Rankings (http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,All-May-2006,00.html)

I wonder if anyone outside the USA ever even acknowledges these idiotic rankings.  Who here thinks the USA (#5t) is better than France (#8) or Argentina (#9)?  Who would you take in a match between Egypt and Germany?  Guess again; Egypt (#17) is two places ahead of Germany (#19.)  #42 Australia just made #18 Japan look foolish. 

Even FIFA doesn't seem to take their own rankings seriously; after all, in Group E, Italy (#13) is the seeded team, despite being the second-lowest ranked team in the group (Czech Rep. #2, USA #5t).  The 8 seeded teams carry the rankings 1, 4, 5t, 8, 9, 10, 13, 19; five teams that didn't even make the field are ranked higher than the seeded Germans.

It's too bad the World Cup wasn't played in April, when the USA was ranked #4.

Ridiculous.

The FIFA is scrapping this ranking formula for a new one at the end of the World Cup.

Lot of World Cup coverage in USA Today. I'm learning a lot on the day job.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 03:03:45 PM
I just don't see the US as a Top 16 team, because these guys do not show the hunger that we see in an Angola, T&T or Ivory Coast.

Even the Swedes, in their official North Park University colors  ;), showed more enthusiasm.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 03:26:42 PM
The Americans were strangely lethargic today.  I think falling behind within the first 5 minutes changed the whole tenor of the game - the Czechs then played all 11 men behind the ball, and USA never could solve that defense.  If Reyna's shot had been 2 inches to the right, it's a 1-1 game, and that would (or at least might) have changed the whole flow of the game.

When Koller went down, I became hopeful that 0-2 was not insurmountable.  The one bright spot was a 10-minute stretch midway through the second half where the American offense totally dominated, including two excellent scoring opportunities (Eddie Johnson's shot which went wide-left by less than a foot and the set-up pass which the American [Pope, I believe, though I'm not sure why he'd be THAT far forward even duing a desparation comeback attempt] ALMOST beat Cech to the ball, and would have had the easiest goal of his life if he had).  Alas, at the end of that stretch, Mosicki(sp?) got his second (his team's third) goal, and that took all the life out of USA.

Well, it is beat Italy or go home - a tie ain't gonna cut it.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 12, 2006, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 03:26:42 PM
Mosicki(sp?)

Rosicky - only bright spot about the game was that i had him on my fantasy team.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2006, 03:38:54 PM

I think you nailed it Ypsi.  I'm not sure even the US guys realized just how good that Czech team was.  Even if we were at the top of our game, we would not have been as good as those guys.

We caught some bad breaks, but I'm not sure they were ready for this match.  Arena really seemed to drop the ball on this one.  I chalk it up to our lack of defensemen.  O'brien should play every minute, but I doubt his fitness level will allow it.  Jon Spector really would have made a big difference I think.

I hate to go all Red Sox on you (because I do think they can pull out 4 points and advance), but we probably have to look at next cup to be anywhere close to contention.  Spector and Oguchi will be in their primes, along with Eddie Johnson and maybe Donovan can move into the Reyna role.

It's hard to get excited about advancing when it only means an embarassing loss to Brazil in the next round.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 03:46:13 PM
I have always been reluctant to blame the coach at this level for motivation.  These players have been thinking about this day for 2 decades!

Tom Landry never gave big pep talks; he didn't believe in them.  If a pro cannot get ready for the World Cup, then why is he even a pro?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 12, 2006, 04:01:47 PM
That was not the U.S. team I have seen. They looked flat and uninspired. The defense was all out of position on the first Czech goal. The two best attackers, Donovan and Beasley were non factors today. It is gut check time Saturday vs. Italy.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: rbaikie on June 12, 2006, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 12, 2006, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: > on June 12, 2006, 01:38:59 PMfive teams that didn't even make the field are ranked higher than the seeded Germans.

Doesn't matter how the German's are ranked - being the host country they get put into the mix automatically -they could be ranked last in the world and then a lot of teams ranked higher wouldn't make the field.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: rbaikie on June 12, 2006, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 12, 2006, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: > on June 12, 2006, 01:38:59 PMThis looked more like the 1990 USA team that got their ass kicked rather than the 5th ranked USA team of this year.

FIFA World Rankings (http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,All-May-2006,00.html)

I wonder if anyone outside the USA ever even acknowledges these idiotic rankings.  Who here thinks the USA (#5t) is better than France (#8) or Argentina (#9)?  Who would you take in a match between Egypt and Germany?  Guess again; Egypt (#17) is two places ahead of Germany (#19.)  #42 Australia just made #18 Japan look foolish. 

Even FIFA doesn't seem to take their own rankings seriously; after all, in Group E, Italy (#13) is the seeded team, despite being the second-lowest ranked team in the group (Czech Rep. #2, USA #5t).  The 8 seeded teams carry the rankings 1, 4, 5t, 8, 9, 10, 13, 19; five teams that didn't even make the field are ranked higher than the seeded Germans.

It's too bad the World Cup wasn't played in April, when the USA was ranked #4.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2006, 04:31:14 PM

Ralph,

I agree with you.  My post was misleading in that regard.  I meant I chalked up blame to Arena for some of the tactical failings, not for the motivation.  I'm not sure it is a question of motivation at all.  I just think the Czech team that hit the pitch was playing far better than even the US players expected.  You couple that with the early goal my that ogre of a forward and I can understand where intimidation could set in quickly.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2006, 04:53:55 PM

A good quote from Michael Davies' blog on ESPN, I think he sums up my opinion well.

Some in the media will attack the players, the coach, the selection, the tactics, but the truth is the U.S. just got thumped by one of the best teams in the world. Even without Milan Baros this evening, and Koller for half of the evening and maybe the rest of the tournament, the Czechs have players of superior quality, with superior strength, skill, creativity and football intelligence.

The US certainly will need to play better and Arena could throw a more competitive line-up out there, but I don't think anyone should be suprised by the US missing out on points here.  Saturday will be huge.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 12, 2006, 05:10:42 PM
Quote from: rbaikie on June 12, 2006, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 12, 2006, 02:26:18 PM
five teams that didn't even make the field are ranked higher than the seeded Germans.

Doesn't matter how the German's are ranked - being the host country they get put into the mix automatically -they could be ranked last in the world and then a lot of teams ranked higher wouldn't make the field.

[I've rearranged the quote box to more accurately reflect who said what}

The host country automatically qualifies for the finals, a rule in place since France '38, but they are not automatically one of the 8 seeds.  The Germans were selected as one of the 8 seeds based on their performance in past World Cups and their performance over the past three years.  According to that ranking system, the Germans were the #4 team in the world and therefore a seed. 

In other words, one FIFA ranking says Germany is #4, and another FIFA ranking says they are #19.  Hmmmm.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 05:29:41 PM
Maybe it wouldn't have mattered, but Ghana may have gotten royally screwed against Italy.  In c.75th minute, a Ghanaian striker was tripped in the box, but there was no call - at that point, a PK would have tied the game.  If the score was 1-1 rather than 1-0 in the final minutes, who knows whether Italy would have gotten that second goal that iced the game?  Of course, with the accuracy Ghana showed on shots today, the PK would not be guaranteed!

IF the real USA shows up, I believe they can beat both Italy and Ghana, but if they play like today, they may go 0-3.

HF, since the Czechs and Italians each already have 3 points, I don't think 4 points will be enough to advance (esp. since goal-differential is the tie-break, and we are already -3, while they are +3 and +2, respectively).  I think we HAVE to win both, and even 6 points MAY not be enough if the Czechs beat Ghana (as I expect they will).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 05:29:41 PM
Maybe it wouldn't have mattered, but Ghana may have gotten royally screwed against Italy.  In c.75th minute, a Ghanaian striker was tripped in the box, but there was no call - at that point, a PK would have tied the game.  If the score was 1-1 rather than 1-0 in the final minutes, who knows whether Italy would have gotten that second goal that iced the game?  Of course, with the accuracy Ghana showed on shots today, the PK would not be guaranteed!

IF the real USA shows up, I believe they can beat both Italy and Ghana, but if they play like today, they may go 0-3.

HF, since the Czechs and Italians each already have 3 points, I don't think 4 points will be enough to advance (esp. since goal-differential is the tie-break, and we are already -3, while they are +3 and +2, respectively).  I think we HAVE to win both, and even 6 points MAY not be enough if the Czechs beat Ghana (as I expect they will).
I agree with Mr Ypsi! I did not see the uncalled foul, but down 3 in the goal differential is too deep of a hole.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 12, 2006, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 05:29:41 PM
HF, since the Czechs and Italians each already have 3 points, I don't think 4 points will be enough to advance (esp. since goal-differential is the tie-break, and we are already -3, while they are +3 and +2, respectively).  I think we HAVE to win both, and even 6 points MAY not be enough if the Czechs beat Ghana (as I expect they will).

Czech Republic will probably go undefeated in the Group, which means the best any other team in the group can do is 6 points. So if we beat Italy, then htey will only end up with 3 points. If we beat Ghana, that means Ghana would end up with 0 points. That owquld give CR 9 points, US 6, Italy 3, and Ghana 3. US could still certainly make it in, but if we don't beat Italy we might as well be mathematically eliminated.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 06:31:24 PM
I suspect you'll get lots of chances to see the no-call (unless they dismiss it as irrelevant since Italy won by 2 - but, like I said, both teams strategies change if the game is 1-1 rather than 1-0 for the last 15 minutes).

There was another no-call barely a minute later - the Ghanaian WITH THE BALL was clearly shoved to the ground by an Italian player.  Away from the ball, I can understand missing such a clear yellow-card foul, but when the guy has the ball??!!

The stats will show that Ghana committed more than twice as many fouls as Italy, but if the officiating of the rest of the game was like the 25 minutes I was able to see, that may be a highly misleading statistic.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 06:44:10 PM
Scottie (>),

With Koller looking like he may be out for at least the first round (he was clearly in tremendous pain and grabbing his hamstring), I was premising my worst case scenario on Italy beating the Czechs, but everyone beating Ghana.  If that were to happen, USA, Italy and the Czech Republic would all tie at 6 points, and we've got a lot of catching up on the goal differential.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 12, 2006, 06:49:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 06:44:10 PM
Scottie (>),

With Koller looking like he may be out for at least the first round (he was clearly in tremendous pain and grabbing his hamstring), I was premising my worst case scenario on Italy beating the Czechs, but everyone beating Ghana.  If that were to happen, USA, Italy and the Czech Republic would all tie at 6 points, and we've got a lot of catching up on the goal differential.

One name for you, ROSICKY! He's a beast, tehre's a reason I had him on my fantasy team!  They are stacked on offense, they had 4 players (5 with Koller) that had 3 goals or more in qualifying. Of course the US didn't play well at all, but look how good CZ was on offense AFTER Koller went down.  Koller will be missed, but they are superior to Italy!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2006, 07:21:04 PM
>,

Your scenario is certainly plausible (and the only way for the US to advance if they do only tie Italy).  USA better come prepared to BLAST Ghana, or else the ref's screwing of Ghana becomes a screwing of our team too!

I just wanted to explore the worst case scenario - USA COULD win 2 and still be 3-and-out.  Due to the American lethargy for all but 10 minutes, the Czechs may not be as good as they looked today.  There may be a reason that Italy was the seeded team in group E.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 12, 2006, 08:04:28 PM
There was some questionalble officiating today. The two calls Mr. Ypsi mentioned, and two others in the Japan - Australia match. With Japan's first goal, a Japanese player clearly pushed the Australian goalie while making no attempt for the ball and the ball went into the net. Then with Japan down 2 - 1, an Australian defender took out a Japanese forward in the box. It should have been a PK.

If the U.S. wins out and advances, the reward is probably playing Brazil!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on June 13, 2006, 02:37:04 AM
I thought his name was Rasicky?!  Either way you spell it, the guy made us look bad.  His first goal was absolutely beautiful!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 13, 2006, 08:55:20 AM
The US isn't done by any means just yet.  I was hoping for a draw between Italy and Ghana and when that player from Ghana went down in the box, I thought there might be a chance, but the terribly one sided officiating prevented that from happening.  Now the best the US can hope for is that the CR plays as well against Italy as they did yesterday against the US.  Oh, and beating Italy as well is pretty much in the cards for the US to have any chance. 

When the draw was made and the US drew this group, I thought from the start that they would have trouble coming out of it.  One thing going in their favor IMO is that they played the best team in their group yesterday.  In their World Cup warm-ups the US came out flat against Morrocco and then came back and played a much more complete match vs. Venezuela.  I know Italy is no Venezuela, but I also know that the US is much more capable of putting up better results than they did yesterday.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 13, 2006, 09:03:04 AM

With Arena calling out players by name at the press conference, I think there is plenty of motivation.  I expect O'Brien and Eddie Johnson to start on Saturday and should certainly help maintain some semblence of control.  We need to get back to our 4-4-2 and Donovan and Beasley need to show up.  Those two were the only World Cup vetrans to not show up.  I can understand Oguchi playing scared the first twenty minutes or so, but we need the best players to step up.  Italy certainly isn't as good as their reputation makes them, so I've got confidence.  I wish I could find a way out of work to see how Brazil is playing today.

If the Czechs can keep up the level of play they displayed, they might even give Brazil a run for their money at some point.

S Korea - Togo
France - Switzerland
Brazil - Croatia

Should be a good day.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 13, 2006, 09:04:17 AM
Well, after finally watching the USA/Czech game, it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be considering how Arena ripped the players and what the score was and all that.

That being said, I wasn't surprised to see the US lose.  We are talking about the Czechs here, ranked only below Brazil, though the "rankings" are a joke anyway.  

I'll agree that Beasley looked horrible on the right side, maybe switching him to the left will help.  It was obviously a mistake to keep Eddie Johnson on the bench to start the game.  Donovan needs to be in the midfield and not as a withdrawn forward.

The subs looked good and look for wholesale changes for Saturday's big game vs. Italy.

Eddie Johnson and McBride up front
Reyna, Donovan, O'Brien, Beasley (on the left) and probably either Convey or Ben Olsen or even Clint Demsey in the middle.
Eddie Lewis, Eddie Pope and Onyewu in defense
Keller in goal

3 defenders?  The US has to beat Italy, so it doesn't matter if they give up one or 20.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 13, 2006, 09:07:40 AM

You can't play three defenders against a team whose only strength is scoring goals.  Is there any decent team that plays something other than four?  It just makes sense.

I agree that we need our midfielders to actually play together and agressively.

It is, however, very good to see Reyna on such good form and taking shots on goal.  He hasn't looked this good in years.  If only we can get our wings to show up, I'm still optimistic.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 13, 2006, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 13, 2006, 09:07:40 AM

You can't play three defenders against a team whose only strength is scoring goals. 

Actually, I thought Italy's strength was defense.  It seems like every game they play, they win 1-0 or like yesterday, 2-0.  I looked up their qualifying record and they did score 17 goals in 10 matches, but 8 of those were against Belarus...something 11 posters here could probably do.  I've always felt they've had the offense to do well, but they never played to their potential. 

Goal differential will be a huge factor.  If the Czechs beat Ghana, look for them to rest many of their players vs. Italy in the last group game, which means disadvantage to the US. 
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 13, 2006, 09:23:16 AM
At this time, the Togo/South Korea game is on...and Tommy Smyth is FINALLY announcing a game.  Listening to Macelo Balboa flapping his mouth was getting irritating.  John Harkes didn't do too bad of a job and Eric Wynalda is just plane horrible in studio.  To get great analysis, watch Fox Sports World Report/Ticket to Germany with Bobby McMahan.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 13, 2006, 09:27:49 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 12, 2006, 02:26:18 PM
I wonder if anyone outside the USA ever even acknowledges these idiotic rankings. 

I read an article and it described how FIFA comes up with these rankings.  It talked about lesser teams getting more points for each goal they score, as compared to better teams that score goals; weighted wins and losses, and even ties...among other things.  At the end of the article, it basically said that the FIFA World Rankings make the BSC standings look like elementary math.  I wish I could find that article.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 13, 2006, 11:01:24 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 13, 2006, 09:03:04 AM

I can understand Oguchi playing scared the first twenty minutes or so, but we need the best players to step up. 


I wouldn't exactly say that Oguchi was playing scared in the first 20 minutes.  Arena had him marking the wrong man.  He should have been marking Koller from the beginning of the match.  When Koller scored his goal, Pope was the man marking Koller.  Pope is a solid defender, but he didn't have the size or strength to stop Koller.  Arena did switch things after it was too late.   

Quote from: Old School on June 13, 2006, 09:04:17 AM

I'll agree that Beasley looked horrible on the right side, maybe switching him to the left will help.  It was obviously a mistake to keep Eddie Johnson on the bench to start the game.  Donovan needs to be in the midfield and not as a withdrawn forward.


I agree with this 100%!  Beasley just didn't look comfortable on the right.  He is a MUCH more effective player on the left side!  Hopefully Arena will not make the same mistake twice!  I was disappointed with Convey's play yesterday as well.  He has shown way better than what he showed yesterday.  If he starts Saturday, I would have him on a short leash.  Demsey would be the guy I would go to.  I just like how he plays.  I also hope that Johnson starts on Saturday.  I would like to see O'Brien get the nod as well, but I just don't know whether his fitness level will allow it.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 13, 2006, 12:39:15 PM

Yeah the FIFA rankings take into account every international match over the last eight years weighted by how long ago each was.  Then there are advantages to playing on the road as well as playing higher ranked opponents.  It's all a bit crazy.  You can find the explanation of it here (http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/rank/procedures/0,2540,3,00.html).  I forgot all about the regional strength component; that throws another wrench into the whole thing.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 13, 2006, 12:41:24 PM

I would just like to point out that the Swiss goalie is named Zuberbuhler.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2006, 12:47:19 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/worldcup/2006-06-08-usa-worldcup_x.htm

Quote from: Kelly Whiteside, USA TODAYThe complicated computer ranking system, determined by FIFA, the sport's world governing body, is widely derided for many reasons. It takes into account games played during the last eight years, and its confounding system of weighting results makes college football's Bowl Championship Series formula look like second-grade math.

The USA's rating is inflated because it can readily rack up rankings-boosting wins competing in the North/Central American and Caribbean region, which includes hot vacation spots such as Martinique or Jamaica and not-so-hot soccer teams. (Mexico, the region's other dominant team, is No. 4.)

To correct some of the flaws in the present criteria, three days after this World Cup, FIFA will introduce a ranking that will consider games during the last four years and weigh some of the current factors differently.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2006, 02:13:38 PM
Switzerland 0, France 0.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 13, 2006, 02:37:09 PM

Poor showing all around in that one.  France didn't score at all last cup and were strining to put one in, but missed a ton of easy chances (they were getting all they could manage).  The Swiss on the other hand had fewer opportunities, but equally promising ones and also preposterously failed to score.

I guess one could say good defense, but I'm going with careless offense.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 13, 2006, 04:13:57 PM

Croatia has to be kicking themselves giving up a goal with two minutes left in the first half.  They played so well with nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 13, 2006, 07:31:04 PM
The France - Switzerland game looked like two teams unsure of what to do, just flailing around.

All the goals scored in the South Korea - Togo were pretty, but I was not impressed by rest of the play. Group G is looking like the weakest bracket in the tournament.

Croatia sure held their own against Brazil and had several good opportunities to level it. The rest of the games in Group F should be good.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 13, 2006, 07:34:17 PM
Brazil didn't impress me much today. Offense was there but didnt finish enough, Ronaldo was even booed when he came out of the match. The defense gave up quite a few good scoring opportunities to croatia, who couldnt finish either.  I thought the game could ahve easily gone both ways.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2006, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on June 13, 2006, 07:31:04 PM
Croatia sure held their own against Brazil and had several good opportunities to level it. The rest of the games in Group F should be good.

I disagree (though I admit I caught only about 5 minutes of the Australia-Japan match).  I predict that Brazil and Croatia will fairly easily win out from here.

In 2002, Turkey was the only team to advance out of group play after losing their first match.  If I'm right about Croatia, USA better hope that this time there are (at least) two such teams! ;D

On Grant Wahl's (?) blog (SI.com), he insists that for Brazil to have a chance at the finals, they MUST bench Ronaldo.  Most of the responders agreed with him, though some argued that he might cause such dissension if benched as to do more harm than good, while others pointed out that he started slow in 2002, then led the Cup in scoring.  With all their other weapons, I suspect that it doesn't matter one way or the other against Australia and Japan, and maybe he should be given a chance to get up to Cup speed (he has been injured a lot lately), but the offense was noticeably better once Robinho replaced Ronaldo.  Comments?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gray Fox on June 13, 2006, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: > on June 13, 2006, 07:34:17 PM
Ronaldo was even booed when he came out of the match.

Does that mean I shouldn't wear my "Ronaldo" soccer shirt in public? :-\
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2006, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 13, 2006, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: > on June 13, 2006, 07:34:17 PM
Ronaldo was even booed when he came out of the match.

Does that mean I shouldn't wear my "Ronaldo" soccer shirt in public? :-\

Depends - how are you at getting booed? ;)

Strikers (and goalies) are different - a few moments of brilliance can make everyone forget 85 minutes of sloth.  The question is whether or not Ronaldo can still produce a few moments of brilliance.  I wouldn't bet heavily against him, but he clearly IS fat, slow, and out-of-shape.  But if he still has ANY of his prime left....
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2006, 08:54:52 AM

Ronaldo is not fit.  I think more likely he'd be a better second half sub.  I'm not sure how that would affect team morale.  They do have the benefit of playing Australia and Japan in the next two games, so not starting Ronaldo could be explained by inferior opponents.

Brazil and Ronaldo did start objectionably slow in 2002 and their midfield is so solid, along with a good keeper and strong central defense.  It would be hard for them to get hurt by one half-fit striker.  Their biggest concern is that yellow card hanging over Emerson's head.  He's the key to their exceptional counter-attack and most all of their central ball movement.

That goal scoring record is not just important to Ronaldo, but to Brazil as a country and the whole team.  I think he has to get some time in in every match.  I just think he'd be better off coming on in the second half when the defense is a step slower.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 14, 2006, 09:02:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2006, 08:27:25 PM
... but the offense was noticeably better once Robinho replaced Ronaldo.  Comments?

I agree with this take.  I think Alberto gave Ronaldo more than enough before he subbed in Robinho.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Ronaldo sit for the next match.  As HF said, maybe sub him in in the 2nd half, but I doubt he starts Brazil's next match.

How about those Croatian fans going nuts practically the entire 2nd half?  That was some fun stuff to see.  By watching their fans, you would have never known they were trailing.  The Cratians really impressed me with their showing against Brazil.  Losing 1-0 to the clear-cut cup favorites is nothing to hang your head over, and especially with all of the chances that Croatia was creating.   I would put money on Croatia advancing out of their group after an opening round loss.  

As for the US, I'm not so confident.  From what I've heard regarding Beasley is that he may not even start v. Italy.  I don't know if I totally agree with sitting him, although he did play pretty uninspired in that first match.  I still say part of that has to do with the fact that he should have been on the left side where he can take the ball inside.  Playing him on the right basically confines him.  One thing for sure, if the US doesn't put in a better performance against the Italians, if the US players thought they were struggling for respect as a sport in this country before the World Cup, they could be taking about 10 steps backward with another result like on Monday.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2006, 09:11:16 AM

As for the US, we have to remember that this World Cup hinged on this Italy game no matter what happened versus the Czechs.  We knew all along that we needed to beat Italy.

Beasley not starting might be a good idea.  Especially if you can bring him in as a sub, when he's worked up after not being on the field.  He's performed best at Eindhoven coming off the bench and has disappeared since he's been named a starter.  In 2002, he came on as a sub in the first match and earned his starting spot for the rest of the tournament.  I think he just adds so much more as fresh legs than he does as a 90 minute midfielder.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2006, 09:27:09 AM

Brazil just announced that Ronaldo will start the next match.  They do have a point in that this was his first game action in over two months.  He might round into form and they certainly don't need him to be 100% for them to win.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 14, 2006, 09:50:10 AM
A couple of points.

I'll have to disagree with Hoops Fan regarding the Italy game being thee game.  I think many of us thought we might be able to hold out for a draw with the Czechs, thus not needing a win vs. the Italians.  But, Ghana is the game that everyone is expecting us to win.  So, a tie vs. the 1st two and a win would send us through.  Obviously we need two wins in the last two to meet AUSTRALIA in the 2nd round! lol. 

Also, as a big soccer fan, I don't think soccer will ever find a niche in American sports watching.  I'll agree with most of the soccer experts, including Coach Arena and many of the players, that say the results of the World Cup won't actually hurt the view of the general public...it can only help it. 

If they tank, the soccer fans out there will still watch and play.  I think it's like the Olympics.  If the US does real well, no one is going to see a huge jump in ratings on MLS games or a jump in attendence at MLS games.  Soccer is beyond the stage where they NEED the US to do well in the World Cup for soccer to grow.  When the US hosted in 94, that was a different story.  What is important now is that the MLS continue to build soccer-specific stadiums and thus becoming profitable, instead of "renting" facilities and giving all the money to those football places.

If the US does well, it will help soccer.  If they go three and out, soccer isn't going to fail because of that.

Oh yeah, Ronaldo is fat and out of shape.  Move on Brazil.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 14, 2006, 10:55:13 AM
How good did Spain look today??? :o
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2006, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 14, 2006, 10:55:13 AM
How good did Spain look today??? :o

Very.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 14, 2006, 11:37:33 AM
With Spain beating the Ukraine 4-0 today, the USA is no longer in last place.  4-0 beats 3-0! Yippy! lol.

An amazing stat I heard while watching the game.  Spain's starting lineup consisted of players from just THREE clubs; Barcelona, Liverpool and I think Real Madrid.  That's pretty amazing.

Hooligans from Germany (I think) actually got together and had a practice fight to get ready for clashes with their counterparts.  Wow.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 14, 2006, 11:41:07 AM
Wow, Spain was very impressive. And not to take anything away from them, but the red card to Vashchuk was total BS. Also the Ukraine defender on the near post for Spain's corner kick and first goal didn't move. If he turns instead of just throwing a leg back and he could have blocked the shot. Ok, that probably wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game, but may have given the Ukraine a little more emotion to play on.
Title: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 14, 2006, 12:26:59 PM
There is a lot of interest in the World Cup room over this match, which is pivotal to the USA's chances.  I'd like to know what everyone thinks will be the outcome, so I have proposed a poll.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2006, 03:36:53 PM

I hope I didn't offend you by merging the poll DC; I was just getting confused.  Chalk it up to my small mind.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 14, 2006, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 14, 2006, 03:36:53 PM

I hope I didn't offend you by merging the poll DC; I was just getting confused.  Chalk it up to my small mind.

Not at all; this is where I wanted it, but for whatever reason (most likely my stupidity) I was unable to put it in here.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2006, 08:30:23 PM
Asking the rhetorical question...

If you could pick your friend's brain,

would you give him the same one, all over again?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2006, 08:43:49 AM

T&T vs England today.  Anyone want to let me come over and watch it? I can't afford to go out to each everyday this month.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 15, 2006, 10:06:18 AM
Apparently you don't have cable?  You must live out in the sticks or something! lol. 

Anyway, Wayne Rooney is deemed fit by the "physios"  I don't think he'll start, but he will probably play.

Since we're in the middle of the World Cup and all the soccer craze, I rented and enjoyed Green Street Hooligans.  A great soccer-related movie.  Bend It Like Beckham it's not. 

Elijah Wood is really trying to get out of the LOTR stereo-type.  He was an evil cannibal in Sin City and now he's a butt kicking Hooligan. 

Come On England!  Come On England!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2006, 10:36:07 AM

Actually, I'm at work and live a half-hour away, which is why I can't watch it at home.  Well that and I really don't have cable at home.  Oh the joys of grad school and the necessities we forego.  Anyway, I think I found an office in the building that has ESPN2 on the dish.

Go Rooney!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 15, 2006, 11:27:42 AM
And there's smack talk at the world cup. ;D T&T coach says that England is only a set piece team. ::) We'll see if that jumps up and bites 'em in the butt.

Ecuador sure put the hurt on Costa Rica. Should be an interesting game with Germany to see he goes #1 from the group.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on June 15, 2006, 11:42:52 AM
Costa Rica today reminded me of the effort put forth by our US team against Czech - tried to set up too much and didn't go wide enough.  I also don't think slow transitions win World Cup matches.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2006, 11:45:04 AM

Costa Rica has been surviving on the leg of Paulo Wanchope, which works just fine in CONCACAF, but we all saw today what a solid squad can do to a team with one weapon.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2006, 02:27:23 PM

Brave show by the Soca Warriors.  174 minutes without allowing a goal (including 45 with only 10 men)  that is quite a showing for T&T.  It also looks like England may have woken up a little bit.


Just think, if Paraguay wins the last game today, T&T will still have a shot at moving on to the next round.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 15, 2006, 02:31:15 PM
The T&T coach also said David Beckham is better at selling t-shirts than playing soccer.

England advances with a ho-hum 2-nil win.  Crouch scores but doesn't even do his robot-dance.  Gerrard with a very nice 2nd in injury time.  Beckham assists Crouch and Rooney comes in at the 58th minute mark.  Doesn't do much, but what do you expect for a guy that's been out since the end of April.  With England through, Rooney may not even play vs. Sweden, though he'll probably want to get a little game action to get sharper.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2006, 04:08:00 PM

I have to disagree with you OS, Rooney might not have been too productive with the ball, but his entry energized the crowd and visibly woke up the England players.  They were much sharper and seemed to work together better after his entrace.  This is probably due to increased crowd support, but that came when Rooney got in.

As much as I wanted a good robot dance, I think Crouch was smart to forego it as the Japanese ref was calling the game quite strict (see Hilsop's yellow card--horribly rough call-- time wasting in the 46th minute??).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 15, 2006, 05:34:39 PM
I agree with hoops fan. Rooney may not have done much with the ball but he along with Lennon (who did play well) brought in some much need enrgy to the English side. Fans and team alike.

Sweden finally scores a goal!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2006, 06:05:36 PM
Yeah, and it only took them 178 minutes to do it!

They must have one helluva defense.  There was mention that they scored only 3 goals total in 10 qualifying games - yet they qualified.  The only way I can figure that is that they won 3 games 1-0, and had a number of 0-0 draws.  I wonder who last scored on them?

Poor Paraguay - TWO and out (and both games 1-0).  I imagine that third game is going to be a tough one to get up for.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 15, 2006, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2006, 06:05:36 PM
They must have one helluva defense.  There was mention that they scored only 3 goals total in 10 qualifying games - yet they qualified.

Not three...THIRTY.  Three per game.  Sweden's preliminary results (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/history.html?team=SWE)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2006, 09:52:38 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 15, 2006, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2006, 06:05:36 PM
They must have one helluva defense.  There was mention that they scored only 3 goals total in 10 qualifying games - yet they qualified.

Not three...THIRTY.  Three per game.  Sweden's preliminary results (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/history.html?team=SWE)

Ah, that is rather different than what the announcers said!

Still, their opponents have yet to score in the World Cup itself.

Thanks for the correction. :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 16, 2006, 12:37:39 AM
Twenty of Sweden's thirty goals in qualifying were against traditional powers Malta and Iceland (the last team to score on Sweden, by the way.)  Sweden's prelim group was pretty soft, with Bulgaria and Hungary both sporting sub-par teams.  Croatia was the only other decent team in their group, and they swept the Swedes, 2:0 aggregate.  But the Croats were held to a shocking 1:1 draw by the Maltese (ranked a robust 125th in the world--just ahead of Vietnam--and 13:0 aggregate losers to the Swedes), proving once again that anything is possible in football.

Does anyone besides me think that the Queen has no clothes?  :o England gets a lot of hype, but they've looked pretty poor in two matches so far, one against a Paraguay squad playing even more poorly, the other against a Trinidad/Tobago eleven they probably should have thumped.  I expect Sweden and England to play to a lifeless 0:0 draw, giving England the group and a probable date with Ecuador.  They should be able to beat the Andeans (provided it doesn't come down to a shootout with the winning penalty on Beckham's foot ::)), but no further, as their quarterfinal opponent is probably either Holland or Argentina--and the way the Queen's Men are playing, it won't take the Hand of God to oust them.  :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 16, 2006, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 15, 2006, 02:31:15 PM
Beckham assists Crouch and Rooney comes in at the 58th minute mark.  Doesn't do much, but what do you expect for a guy that's been out since the end of April.  

Let's try this again.  I said Rooney didn't do too much.  You guys even said it.  Hoops Fan said he didn't do much with the ball and cawcdad also said the same thing.  That's what I'm saying. 

I said nothing about the rest of the squad, crowd and what not.  I agree that England looked energized, as did the crowd, when Rooney came on.  But, I was simply talking about Rooney and HE didn't do too much.  That's all.  Don't translate my post about Rooney into my general feeling on the England squad as a whole.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 16, 2006, 09:12:56 AM

1. Iceland's not that bad; certainly not bad enough to be lumped in with Malta.

2.  That Trinidad squad is smart and experienced and they earned every bit of respect they've gotten this year.  Yeah, England was playing pretty poor for the first 45 minutes, but to say they should have thumped T&T is a bit much.  I would have agreed before the Cup, but Trinidad is really proving themselves at least competitive. (A win over Paraguay and a little help from England, they are still alive.)

3. Argentina, Holland an Mexico going today?  This is what the World Cup is all about.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 16, 2006, 05:21:01 PM
Argentina just dismantled Serbia-Montenegro. The Serb team looked they didn't even want to be ther in the second half. The Cambiasso goal on the back heel from Crespo was one of the sweetest I've seen.

An exciting game between the Netherlands and Ivory Coast. The game to see who is the group winner between Netherlands and Argentina should be a barn burner.

And WOW!! Angola ties Mexico. Another stellar goalie and team performance from a squad not expected to do much. These African teams got game!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2006, 06:41:17 PM
If Angola beats Iran (which I predict) and Mexico loses to Portugal (I see that one as 50-50), Angola may go through.  Mexico is currently +2, while Angola is -1, but if EITHER game cited above is by more than 1 goal, Angola has caught or beaten them.  (And, of course, if Portugal somehow loses to Iran [big doubties!], Angola could also go through with a Mexican win over Portugal, though not with a Mexico-Portugal tie.)

If Angola and Mexico tied on goal differential, and since they tied head-to-head, remind me what the next tie-breaker is - is it fewest goals allowed?

I found it interesting that at least 3 of Angola's starters appeared to be white - I would assume they are Portuguese who remained after independence.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 16, 2006, 08:12:27 PM
After Argentina smoked S&M 6-0, the USA must only feel half as bad now, going down 3-nil to the Czechs.  :o 

I'm looking forward to the US game tomorrow, hoping to get that sour taste of the Czech game out of my system.  If anything, Italian tastes better than Czech.  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2006, 11:09:25 PM
USA vs. Italy (all possible scenarios, I think!)  [All assume USA beats Ghana.]

If Czechs win or tie against Ghana (likely), a USA loss eliminates them.
If Czechs lose to Ghana, a USA loss does NOT eliminate them, but puts them on life-support - they would need Italy to beat the Czechs, at which point USA, CR, and Ghana would all have 3 points, all be 1-1 vs each other, but USA has a ton of goal differential to make up.

If USA ties:
If CR beats or ties Ghana, CR must beat Italy, but USA would still have to make up 5 goal differential vs. Italy.
If Ghana won, USA is in if Italy beats CR, or if CR beats or ties Italy but USA can overcome goal differential.

If USA wins:
They are in unless CR beats Ghana (likely) and Italy beats CR (roughly 50-50), in which case they all have 6 points and are 1-1 vs. each other, and USA has a LOT of goal differential to make-up.

The dream scenario: Ghana beats CR, CR and Italy tie, and USA beats both Italy and Ghana - no Brazil in the second round!  (Though Croatia looks like no bargain either!)

Unless it is a moot point, I'll update after Italy on the scenarios for win/lose/draw against Ghana.  Please correct if any of the above does not seem right.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 16, 2006, 11:11:39 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 16, 2006, 08:12:27 PM
After Argentina smoked S&M 6-0, the USA must only feel half as bad now, going down 3-nil to the Czechs.  :o 

I'm looking forward to the US game tomorrow, hoping to get that sour taste of the Czech game out of my system.  If anything, Italian tastes better than Czech.  ;)

"S&M?"  That 6-0 score could not be more aptly described! :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 16, 2006, 11:29:26 PM
Yeah...when the tv analysts say "S&M" all the time, I laugh to myself...

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2006, 11:09:25 PM
The dream scenario: Ghana beats CR, CR and Italy tie, and USA beats both Italy and Ghana - no Brazil in the second round! (Though Croatia looks like no bargain either!)

Try Australia.  ;D

Another thing...those "experts" on ESPN and in the USA Today have to learn that there is a difference between EXTRA time and Injury/Stoppage time.

I think it was Thursday's paper that headlined that Germany won in EXTRA time and then in the same article, had them winning in stoppage time.  Give me a break.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2006, 11:42:34 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 16, 2006, 11:29:26 PM
Yeah...when the tv analysts say "S&M" all the time, I laugh to myself...

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2006, 11:09:25 PM
The dream scenario: Ghana beats CR, CR and Italy tie, and USA beats both Italy and Ghana - no Brazil in the second round! (Though Croatia looks like no bargain either!)

Try Australia.  ;D

Well, maybe you're right, but I predict that Brazil and Croatia will be undefeated the rest of the first round.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: jdean on June 17, 2006, 12:00:06 PM
I'm not rooting against the USA, but after an Italian victory our news media hopefully will return to covering sports that matter.  Sorry soccer moms.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 01:03:38 PM
Good news for USA: Ghana is running s*** against the Czech Republic, going into the half up 1-0 and, just about dominating CR.

UPDATE: Peter Nedved gets a header goal in the first minute of the second half but its waived off due to offisdes!

GO GHANA AND USA!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 01:54:20 PM
Ghana wins 2-0! The commentator for the game said that with Ghana winning the US can't be officially eliminated today if they lose. Althought if they even give up one goal their goal differential will be -4, and I highly doubt that the US would be able to overcome that to be able to advance to the second round.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 17, 2006, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: jdean on June 17, 2006, 12:00:06 PM
I'm not rooting against the USA, but after an Italian victory our news media hopefully will return to covering sports that matter.  Sorry soccer moms.

Apparently you are trying to ruffle some feathers here by actually wasting your time and ours coming into this soccer specific board to say that.  Kudos to you.  That's just like going into a Manchester United bar, yelling that you are a Liverpool fan and lighting off a flare and running out...(ok, you have to see Formula 51 to get that).

Anyway, go back to watching your Tigerless US Open.  Cheers. 


Back to more important things...would it have been better to have Ghana beat the Czechs 3-0 to put their goal differential at 0 and Ghana's at -1 or is 2-0 better?

Italy 1-0 3 pts +2 GD
Czechs 1-1 3 pts +1 GD
Ghana 1-1 3 pts 0 GD
USA 0-1 0 pts -3 GD

USA v Italy

Czech v Italy
USA v Ghana

Should be fun today and Thursday
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 02:20:47 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 17, 2006, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: jdean on June 17, 2006, 12:00:06 PM
I'm not rooting against the USA, but after an Italian victory our news media hopefully will return to covering sports that matter.  Sorry soccer moms.

Apparently you are trying to ruffle some feathers here by actually wasting your time and ours coming into this soccer specific board to say that.  Kudos to you.  That's just like going into a Manchester United bar, yelling that you are a Liverpool fan and lighting off a flare and running out...(ok, you have to see Formula 51 to get that).

Anyway, go back to watching your Tigerless US Open.  Cheers. 


Back to more important things...would it have been better to have Ghana beat the Czechs 3-0 to put their goal differential at 0 and Ghana's at -1 or is 2-0 better?

Italy 1-0 3 pts +2 GD
Czechs 1-1 3 pts +1 GD
Ghana 1-1 3 pts 0 GD
USA 0-1 0 pts -3 GD

USA v Italy

Czech v Italy
USA v Ghana

Should be fun today and Thursday


If Ghana had won by 3, wouldnt Ghana's  goal differential be +1 instead of -1?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 17, 2006, 03:11:37 PM
As the match begins, here's the final tally of our poll:
Question:      Who will win Italy vs. USA?
USA by 2+ goals: 0 (0%)
USA by 1 goal: 6 (40%)
Draw: 2 (13.3%)
Italy by 1 goal: 3 (20%)
Italy by 2+ goals: 4 (26.7%)
   
Total Votes: 15
Italy wins: 7
USA wins: 6
Draw: 2

Good luck to both sides!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 03:46:40 PM
That red card on Mastroeni was absolute BS! People get hit harder than that in basketball and they dont even call it a foul!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gray Fox on June 17, 2006, 03:59:42 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on June 17, 2006, 03:46:40 PM
People get hit harder than that in basketball and they dont even call it a foul!

You would feel  differently if you lived in Dallas or Miami. :'(
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 17, 2006, 03:59:42 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on June 17, 2006, 03:46:40 PM
People get hit harder than that in basketball and they dont even call it a foul!

You would feel  differently if you lived in Dallas or Miami. :'(

well i thought the flagrant foul on stackhouse was warranted, but in my opinion the suspension wasn't! whatever happened to the days of actually being able to make good hard fouls??
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gray Fox on June 17, 2006, 04:05:58 PM
Isn't a Red Card the same as a suspension?  Doesn't  it carry over to the next game also?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 17, 2006, 04:05:58 PM
Isn't a Red Card the same as a suspension?  Doesn't  it carry over to the next game also?

In the first round, if you get a red card you are suspended for the next match.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 04:08:31 PM
the refs for this game might even be worse than odac basketball refs!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gray Fox on June 17, 2006, 04:13:15 PM
I was just about to make a similar statement about the refs in some of the D3 leagues.  But we know coming in that they are not "world class". :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 04:16:15 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 17, 2006, 04:13:15 PM
I was just about to make a similar statement about the refs in some of the D3 leagues.  But we know coming in that they are not "world class". :P

it's a good thing he is screwing up calls on the US instead of a nation with crazy hooligans. he might would end up on some "hit lists" if it were a country like argentia or brazil!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gray Fox on June 17, 2006, 04:30:47 PM
Scoring an "own goal" will get you on a hit list in some countries.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gray Fox on June 17, 2006, 04:44:05 PM
Scottie,
You and I are the only two members logged in right now.  I have never seen that.

Everyone else must be watching the World Cup. ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 04:46:39 PM
oh im watching it! i can watch tv on my computer!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 04:59:36 PM
USA finishes with a draw! Not as good as a win, but a point is a point! Considering all the opportunities we had, I would have liked our chances if we had 10 or 11 people on the field.  Pope and Mastroeni were unjustly ejected!

As the commentator said earlier, We have to beat Ghana and Italy needs to beat CR. In that scenario:
Italy 2-0-1 7 points
USA 1-1-1 4 points
CR 1-2-0 3 points
Ghana 1-2-0 3 points

It will be interestign to see the lineup against Ghana without Pope and Mastroeni, but I'm confident we can beat Ghana.  Although they did beat CR, CR looked like absolute crap today.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on June 17, 2006, 05:02:52 PM
Wow, what a match!  Ref was awful.  I MIGHT give a red card for the elbow, but no way on the other calls.

I have to say that the US looked very good throughout the match.  All, that is, except for MB, who was a complete waste - Wolf would have done much better of the bench.  MB is just plain lazy.

Overall, I'm proud of the effort these guys put forth.  It is just too bad that the ref couldn't keep himself out of the match.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 17, 2006, 05:12:39 PM
Based on history, putting Beasley in was the correct move. His fresh legs should have just run past the Italian defenders. But for some reason he seems to be lazy. There were several opportunities for him to run to space and get behind the Italian defenders and he just stood around. Bruce Arena needs to make Beasley watch film of himself and then sit him for a match!

The ref was terrible and denied the fans what could have been an even better game. Did anyone else catch that this ref had been reprimanded before based on complaints from his peers! He should never get another international match.

GO USA!!! GO AZZURE!!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2006, 05:15:42 PM
I understand the ref was awarded Italian citizenship immediately after the match. ;)

With 11 men, I think USA would have won by at least two goals.

BTW, the American team can advance with a CR win over Italy, also, as long as they can make up the goal differential, but that would be a longshot.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: jdean on June 17, 2006, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 17, 2006, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: jdean on June 17, 2006, 12:00:06 PM
I'm not rooting against the USA, but after an Italian victory our news media hopefully will return to covering sports that matter.  Sorry soccer moms.
Apparently you are trying to ruffle some feathers here by actually wasting your time and ours coming into this soccer specific board to say that.  Kudos to you.  That's just like going into a Manchester United bar, yelling that you are a Liverpool fan and lighting off a flare and running out...(ok, you have to see Formula 51 to get that).

Wasting my time? I think not. Congratulations for the tie USA.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 17, 2006, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2006, 05:15:42 PM
BTW, the American team can advance with a CR win over Italy, also, as long as they can make up the goal differential, but that would be a longshot.
I know. That is why I'm cheering on Italy. Tomorrow's Brazil - Australia game should be fun.

GO USA!!! GO AZZURE!!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2006, 05:31:21 PM
I think Coach Arena must share some blame for USA playing most of the second half a man down.  Once it became obvious that the ref was, to put it mildly, a bit card-happy, the Italian coach removed Totti before he could get a second yellow.  Leaving Pope in was really tempting fate.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 17, 2006, 06:21:07 PM
Italy probably payed that ref considering the game fixing scandal they have in Italy.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2006, 07:07:38 PM
There is no longer any scenario where USA can win group (the ref saw to that!), so even if they go through their 'reward' would presumably be facing Brazil - ouch!

A loss or tie with Ghana means USA finishes last in the group, so let's presume a win (though that is FAR from certain).  Here are the scenarios:

If Italy beats CR, Italy wins group, and ANY win by USA is sufficient to go through.

If Italy and CR tie, Italy wins group, CR is second UNLESS USA wins by 5+ goals (yeah, right!).

If CR beats Italy, CR wins group, Italy is second UNLESS combined margin of victory for CR and USA is 6+; if combined margin is 5, USA and Italy are even on first two tie-breaks and I'm unclear where things would stand.

Simplest solution: Go USA!!  Go Azzurri!!  (We'll worry about Brazil if we get there!)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2006, 09:47:59 PM
Before this Cup, Beasley was one of my favorite players.  Laziness MAY be a problem, but I think the even more basic problem is that he just doesn't seem to be very soccer-smart.  Case in point:

c. 77th minute he runs down the left side (just left of the box).  He and his defender are ahead of anyone else.  He runs all the way to the endline, then crosses (unsuccessfully) to a non-existent teammate.

If he had frozen the ball at about the 18, then gone right, his defender is presumably past him, and he is one-on-one with the keeper.  I teach that to my 8-9 year-olds.  Why didn't he think of it? >:(

I agree that a benching would be justified, but hope that a thorough reaming might make him dangerous off the bench.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 17, 2006, 10:19:13 PM
I remember that play Mr. Ypsi. As I thought about it more, I'm not sure it was laziness, it almost seemed like stage fright. Frozen with doubt. Two other times a US player had the ball along the sideline about 25 - 30 yards out. Beasley was about 10 yards in from the ball. That was perfect time to make a run toward the corner. It pulls the defender and gives the ball handler room to move toward the middle. Or if the defender stays put (which he would have the time it was Donovan with the ball), the ball gets pushed to Beasley and he is open to make a cross. Both times he just stood there and the ball wound up being played back. KEEP MOVING!!, I emphasized that play to my high schoolers when I was coaching.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2006, 11:51:39 PM
Beasley 'scored' what seemed to be the probable winning goal only a minute after entering.  I think he collapsed after that disappointment.  I question the mental toughness of anyone who can't deal with such a setback.

Especially since that seems to have been one of the rare calls the ref got right - McBride WAS offside and guilty of interference (blocking the keeper's view).

Beasley CANNOT let such a call get into his mind if he is to be a worthy World Cup player.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 18, 2006, 12:32:48 AM
One of my favorite quotes came after the match when Eric Wynalda was describing how he felt about officials when he was playing.  He said that there were two types of officials, "bad and worse." ;D  That was classic!  He went on to describe the officiating in the USA match as the worst he has seen in some time!  Personally, I didn't understand when the commentators in the game were describing Pope's 2nd yellow and subsequent red card as being a make-up call.  Make up for what??? ???  The red card that the Italians received in the 1st half was totally warranted as evidenced by the blood running down McBride's face!  Why was there need to call a make-up red card and if that was the case, how come we never got a make-up red card for the bogus call on Mastroeni?!

Officiating aside, all in all, the US put forth far and away a better effort in their match with Italy.  After conceding the first goal, the US just continued attacking and it payed off shortly after with a little help from the Italians.  Then the US went up a man and it looked as though we might actually be able to get a favorable result.  And then the official decided he was bigger than the game.  Still, salvaging a tie after playing nearly the entire 2nd half with just 9 men is a very good result.  Hopefully, the Czechs have folded up the tents and the Italians can take them out.  I'm also hopeful that Ghana will wake up and realize that they weren't supposed to be contending in this group.  One key is that the US isn't the only squad in that match that will be playing without 2 key players.  Ghana will be missing 2 key players as well including one of the goal scorers in their win over CR.  Personally, I feel that Ghana will feel the losses more than the US as the US bench seems to be deeper talent-wise.  We shall see on the 22nd!

Lastly, how about the US contingent that showed up to support the boys in K-Town!  Honestly, I think the US supporters were louder than the Italians!  I got chills hearing the crowd singing the Star Spangled Banner before the match.  Can't wait for Thursday!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 18, 2006, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2006, 05:31:21 PM
I think Coach Arena must share some blame for USA playing most of the second half a man down. Once it became obvious that the ref was, to put it mildly, a bit card-happy, the Italian coach removed Totti before he could get a second yellow. Leaving Pope in was really tempting fate.

You don't take a player out simply because of that, unless the outcome is already determined (blowout ect) to "save" the player.  Taking Totti out was tactical, not because he was afraid of him getting a yellow card.  If Italy wins that game, they're through and it doesn't matter if Totti sits out the last game.  It had nothing to do with "yellow card suspensions".  With that said the Australian coach was talking about sitting several of his players against Brazil, basically conceding that game and saving his players for Croatia.  But that's a bunch of bull and shows disrespect to Croatia.  Look for the Aussies to be at full strength.


Beasley has had a terrible tourney.  I don't think he lacks soccer knowledge at all.  He's timid and a lot of fans/commentators were happy to see him come on for fresh legs and speed.  But he didn't use that to his advantage.  He was LAZY coming back on defense while it was obvious everyone else was tired as heck.  He was pissing me off! lol. 

You're being a little harsh on Beasley, a lot of players will react that way when a goal is disallowed.  I sure would playing on the biggest stage and of course it would mean a little more to him considering the criticizism he's been under.

And what's up with not bringing on Eddie Johnson for Brian McBride?  McBride did a great job, but getting some speed in there and not losing on in height would've been nice.  Arena had an extra sub left and should've used him.  You can't carry over unused subs for the next game!  ;D

I used my Lakeland College math on my post that included the goal differential.  Not sure how I came up with Ghana's goal differential.  You're right, I just didn't add correctly.

If the US goes through, I don't care who they play!  Brazil has hardly looked unbeatable and we can only hope that fat out of shape guy Ronaldo plays!

I think Pope's leadership and experience will be missed, but he looked horrible yesterday.  He was totally at fault for the Italian goal and just looked stupid standing there with is hand up by executing a one man offside trap!  What a joke. 

Arena did a great job of flooding the midfield and preventing service to the forwards.  I can't see how the US would've ever fired Arena (because of a horrible 1st game and the possibility of not getting out of the first round).  He is by far the best coach for the US and for Wynalda to throw him under the bus by saying, "just remember, 20 years ago he threw down the la crosse stick to do soccer.  He's not even a soccer player/coach to begin with" or something like that, was just out of line.




Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 18, 2006, 10:39:28 AM
To answer my own question, it would've been more beneficial for Ghana to put the hammer down on the Czechs, thus hurting their goal differential.  If it was 3 or 4 to zero, it would've put the Czech's GD at zero or even negative and if we both are level on points (if the Czechs tie and we win), there would be less goals needed for us to score!  Now, as it stands, we need to beat Ghana by 3 or more goals.  3 goals and a tie for the Czechs puts us level on points and GD and I have no idea what the next tie breaker is.

If the Czechs beat the Italians, the total goals the Italians get beat by and the total goals the US needs to win by has to equal 5 or more, I believe.

So, if the Czechs win, it's gotta be by a blowout!  Hoping Ghana is tired so we can win.  Plus, both of Ghana's scorers are out the next match.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 18, 2006, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 18, 2006, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2006, 05:31:21 PM
I think Coach Arena must share some blame for USA playing most of the second half a man down. Once it became obvious that the ref was, to put it mildly, a bit card-happy, the Italian coach removed Totti before he could get a second yellow. Leaving Pope in was really tempting fate.

You don't take a player out simply because of that, unless the outcome is already determined (blowout ect) to "save" the player.  Taking Totti out was tactical, not because he was afraid of him getting a yellow card.  If Italy wins that game, they're through and it doesn't matter if Totti sits out the last game.  It had nothing to do with "yellow card suspensions".  With that said the Australian coach was talking about sitting several of his players against Brazil, basically conceding that game and saving his players for Croatia.  But that's a bunch of bull and shows disrespect to Croatia.  Look for the Aussies to be at full strength.


Beasley has had a terrible tourney.  I don't think he lacks soccer knowledge at all.  He's timid and a lot of fans/commentators were happy to see him come on for fresh legs and speed.  But he didn't use that to his advantage.  He was LAZY coming back on defense while it was obvious everyone else was tired as heck.  He was pissing me off! lol. 

You're being a little harsh on Beasley, a lot of players will react that way when a goal is disallowed.  I sure would playing on the biggest stage and of course it would mean a little more to him considering the criticizism he's been under.

And what's up with not bringing on Eddie Johnson for Brian McBride?  McBride did a great job, but getting some speed in there and not losing on in height would've been nice.  Arena had an extra sub left and should've used him.  You can't carry over unused subs for the next game!  ;D

I used my Lakeland College math on my post that included the goal differential.  Not sure how I came up with Ghana's goal differential.  You're right, I just didn't add correctly.

If the US goes through, I don't care who they play!  Brazil has hardly looked unbeatable and we can only hope that fat out of shape guy Ronaldo plays!

I think Pope's leadership and experience will be missed, but he looked horrible yesterday.  He was totally at fault for the Italian goal and just looked stupid standing there with is hand up by executing a one man offside trap!  What a joke. 

Arena did a great job of flooding the midfield and preventing service to the forwards.  I can't see how the US would've ever fired Arena (because of a horrible 1st game and the possibility of not getting out of the first round).  He is by far the best coach for the US and for Wynalda to throw him under the bus by saying, "just remember, 20 years ago he threw down the la crosse stick to do soccer.  He's not even a soccer player/coach to begin with" or something like that, was just out of line.

i don't care what sport a person payed, if they can coach i'll take em! Hell, Lawrence Frank of the New Jersey Nets couldnt even make his high school basketball team and he isnt all that shabby of a coach!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 18, 2006, 02:01:01 PM
Brazil moves on, but a valiant effort by the Aussies. Australia should beat Croatia to move on to the next round. Once again, Ronaldo just seemed to stand around and wasn't much of a factor.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2006, 03:27:04 PM
In the 9th minute against South Korea, Henry scored the first French Cup goal since 1998!

(Is France scoring listed as a Sign of the Apocalypse? ???)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 18, 2006, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2006, 03:27:04 PM
In the 9th minute against South Korea, Henry scored the first French Cup goal since 1998!

(Is France scoring listed as a Sign of the Apocalypse? ???)

No, that would be me having a zero or a positive number for my karma!  :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2006, 09:43:55 PM
France was in all probability DOUBLY 'screwed' today.  Late in the first half they almost certainly scored a second goal (the Korean keeper was behind the goalline AND reached back to stop a shot - while none of the camera angles were absolutely conclusive, I'd say it was over 90% certain that the entire ball crossed the entire line).  And, in a blow to France and true fans everywhere, Zinedine Zidane (who has already announced his retirement from international play after the Cup) was given a VERY iffy yellow card (his second of group play) and will have to sit the next game.  If France does not go through, we've seen the last of Zidane.  (Fortunately they next play Togo, so their chances for the second round, even without Zidane, are excellent.)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 18, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
Nothing iffy about it, IMHO.  Zidane threw a knee into the back of the Korean player's thigh.  The ABC commentators didn't mention it (which is hardly surprising; sometimes I wonder what game they are watching), but it was pretty flagrant.  And it was a stupid thing to do when you know you're carrying a booking already.

Just like in D3 hoops, the referee is a necessary part of the game: good, bad, or indifferent.  Maybe the ref missed the call on the would-be second French goal, maybe they're being a little liberal with yellow and red cards, but it happens.  You learn to adjust and move on, or you suffer.  Or, if you're Marcelo Balboa, you snivel and whine about it endlessly. 
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 18, 2006, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 18, 2006, 12:32:48 AM
Lastly, how about the US contingent that showed up to support the boys in K-Town!  Honestly, I think the US supporters were louder than the Italians!  I got chills hearing the crowd singing the Star Spangled Banner before the match.  Can't wait for Thursday!

I guess it helps that they were a stone's throw away from the US Air Force base in Germany!  :D

The Aussies are very entertaining and really took it to Brazil without being afraid.  2nd half sub Harry Kewell should've had two goals.  Ronaldo looked like crap and a friend told me that Julie Foudy commented that Ronaldo looked like he was taking a walk through the park, feeding the ducks etc...I thought that was pretty funny.

The announcers have basically been horrible for the coverage. This morning's game of Japan and Croatia was pretty bad.  I could've thought Rob Stone was Deco's boyfriend the way he was talking him up.  Yeah, Deco is Brazilian born and playing for Japan, but come on...Stone even called Japan Brazil a couple of times!

As for Brazil, yeah, they are good and fun to watch, but Balboa must have a Brazilian passport because he was in awe of every step over, little pass, or whatever that Brazil did.  He even said that Brazil was controlling the game, slowing it down when they wanted, counter attacking when they wanted etc.  He couldn't have been further from the truth.

I appreciate watching the games, but a friend told me he watches the Spanish channel coverage.  He doesn't speak Spanish and has no idea what they are saying, but they are just more animated with their commentating and shows the passion of the game.  Anyway, I know I probably couldn't do much better, but maybe I start muting the games (like I do with Madden and Monday night football)! lol.  :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2006, 10:57:31 PM
David,

I'll have to take your word for it - I didn't see THAT foul!  They kept showing a replay which appeared to be a simple pull-down by the shirt - a foul, yes, but hardly a card (unless it is preventing a scoring chance).  But a knee to the thigh, if viewed as deliberate, yes, that is a card!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 19, 2006, 08:52:56 AM

Sorry to miss all the action this weekend.  That's what I get for only posting on workdays.

The US game was a truly valiant effort.  To tie Italy after those setbacks and a man down was gutsy.  I would have liked the win and I think it would have been a shoe it without the second red card.

Pablo's was crap, although probably yellow worthy and Pope's was justified, I think.  At least, it was consistent with the way the tournament has gone, even with the good refs, like Merk yesterday in the France-Korea match.  That was one heck of a football match; I'd love to see the Swiss and the Koreans moving on.


I don't have faith that Italy can pull that win off, so we're going to have to beat Ghana by like 6 goals, just to be safe.  Can John O'Brien maybe get some playing time now that Eddie Pope is out?  O'Brien can take Pablo's starting spot and I think Conrad did a very good job for Pope (maybe he should have been starting the whole time).

Other than that, I'd like to see Eddie Johnson in and maybe start Beasley over Convey.  I'd rather have Bobby coming in with fresh legs when DeMarcus gets lazy rather than having to rely on Beasley in the second half.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 19, 2006, 11:39:15 AM

The Swiss to the semis?  I think it can happen!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gotberg on June 19, 2006, 12:05:11 PM
I just got back to the States yesterday from my trip to see a game in the WC.  It was such a blast (figuratively only :)).

I saw the Netherlands vs the Ivory Coast.  The dutch fans were a ton of fun and very peaceful (of course they won). 

If you ever have the chance to see the WC outside the US - take advantage of it.  It's soo unique.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 19, 2006, 05:02:15 PM

Spain got lucky at the right time.  Although, true to form, they were one of the most blatant diving teams I have ever seen.  Those guys seem to instinctively know when the referee doesn't have an angle on the play and they'll just faceplant without even being touched.  Remarkable.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 19, 2006, 05:15:07 PM
I've enjoyed reading the World Cup posts, nice to see a few Americans care :D........but seriously, I just felt I needed to weigh in with my opines.


Italy v USA........is there a more gutless whining bunch of soccer players than the Italians.........good grief for a team with so much supposed talent what a bunch of divers and whiners.  Most disgracefull performance I've seen in the cup either that or there are alot of snipers at Italy games.  Now that I have that off my chest. ;D

Congrats to the US team for one of the guttier performances I've seen from a soccer team in a while...........they were up against the wall even before the whistle but who knew they were a man down before they even kicked off......11 v 12. ???  They earn a medal just for surviving that game and big kudos to how the team handled the result after the game.

I've had my doubts about how far they can go since the draw back in December, just to tough a draw to think they could do much damage.


Most exciting moments of the tournament were the 3 games between Wed night and Thursday with 3 games being decided in the final minutes..........Germany, England and Swedan...........good stuff.  Throw in Aussie's comeback the previous day and it was pretty dramatic.


My unofficial rankings of the teams so far.

1. Argentina..........solid team, fun to see them score 6
2. Brazil......could Ronaldo be fatter
3. Holland.........laugh if you want but I've been impressed with this bunch
4. Germany.....hosts always do well and their win over Poland certainly was inspiring
5. Portugal......lots of talent but have a tough draw in the next round with either Holland or Argentina
6. Spain......loaded but showed their frailties today, and their power, history not on their side
7. England.....for a team with 2 wins they've been very disappointing.


Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 19, 2006, 06:02:05 PM
WOW!!! Very impressed with this post!!!

As a former collegiate soccer player... I feel like I am the only soccer fan at my job (though that isn't completely true - since I do work in TV and the games are on many TV's)... however I am loving reading the posts so far.

Few thoughts:
Team USA - was embarrased by their effort against the CR... happy to see them at least "rebound" against Italy! But I wish we had just out and out beaten them.
The call against Mast... deserved a card... but not a red! He went in very late... and took the ankles out. The way the games are being called... I expected a yellow... but the red was ridiculous.
Pope getting the second yellow... undecided.
This team needs to really step up against Ghana and I think put their foot on the jugular... and not let up. They won't know what has happened in the other game (since they are being played at the same time)... so... just play to win and win by a lot.
Disappointed in Beasley so much this tournament... but not worth rehashing everything already said.

The refs - really tired of these guys. I understand that FIFA wants them to keep thing safe and keep the games under-control... but these cards are ticky-tack. What ever happened to warning players? And what ever happened to calls that made sense. The red card against the Italian in the US game... DESERVED. The second yellow card against - shoot... Trinidad & Tobago player in their second game... was bad. He was penalized for being aggresive to a ball... beating his opponent to it... playing it... and was punished because his opponent is a whimp and dove... I am SO TIRED OF THE DIVES!!!

Anyway... the World Cup has certainly been exciting so far. I am loving watching almost every game (it helps I work at  TV station with plenty fo TV's to watch the games all day long) and look forward to the rest of this tournament (USA or not!).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 19, 2006, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 19, 2006, 05:02:15 PM

Spain got lucky at the right time.  Although, true to form, they were one of the most blatant diving teams I have ever seen.  Those guys seem to instinctively know when the referee doesn't have an angle on the play and they'll just faceplant without even being touched.  Remarkable.

Uh?  Everyone dives.  But I'm not sure where that really came into play in the Spain/Tunisia game.  I thought the pace of it was outstanding with both teams going for goal.  The one thing that's constant with those African teams is that they are entertaining.

Spain's first was a poacher's goal with Raul finishing off a very nice movement by Spain.  The breakaway goal was clinical and the 3rd was a bit harsh.  Both were grabbing, but I honestly don't think the Spanish player was "looking for" a PK.  The goalie was unfortunate not to keep it out. 

Very entertaining trio of games today.  2-0, 4-0 and 3-1.  Though scoring is always a bonus, all three games were played at a high level with both teams in each game looking to score. 

Since sac started it...

1.)  Argentina-not just because they scored 6, but they really do look unstoppable

2.)  Holland-Robben is a stud and it's nice to see R v. N get on the board.

3.)  Spain-stats show they've scored 3 or more goals in SIX straight group games and now have 21 wins, the most of any WC team that hasn't won the Cup.  They should have an easy draw in the 2nd round.

4.)  Ecuador-I can't name anyone on their team, but no one gave them a shot to even win a game at sea level.  They had the worst away record in WC qualifying.

5.)  Germany-simply because they are the host team.  They showed they could score vs. Costa Rica, but then again they showed their defensive frailities as well.

6.)  Brazil-Ronaldinho, Robinho, Robert Carlos, Dida...and FRED.  Australia also outplayed Brazil.

7.)  England-Rooney is back and is scheduled to start tomorrow.

Biggest surprise:  Ecuador
Biggest disappointment:  France

Oh yeah, if it was up to me, Tommy Smyth and whoever he's paired up with should do every game.  Screw Balboa, Rob Stone and that Shepp guy.  Harkes isn't too bad.



Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2006, 06:36:13 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 19, 2006, 05:02:15 PM

Spain got lucky at the right time.  Although, true to form, they were one of the most blatant diving teams I have ever seen.  Those guys seem to instinctively know when the referee doesn't have an angle on the play and they'll just faceplant without even being touched.  Remarkable.

I totally disagree - more like their bad luck finally went away!  I unfortuntely missed the first half, but at least for the second Spain must have had possession 75% of the time, at one point had outshot Tunisia for the half by 10-0 (I think it must have finished about 14 or 15 to maybe 1), yet still trailed at the 70-minute mark!  If the comeback had not occurred that would have been BY FAR the biggest upset of this Cup (after all, while comparative scores is always a mine-laden game, Spain destroyed Ukraine, 4-0, Ukraine destroyed the Saudis, 4-0, and Tunisia can only get a tie on KSA??!).

I'd also have to disagree re: the PK.  While the anouncers also thought it harsh, I thought it way way lenient (especially as card-happy as most of the refs have been).  My view of the play was that there was mutual jostling and grabbing early on, but once Torres went up for what might well have been a header-goal, the defender put on a bear-hug and threw him to the ground.  Where I come from, such a deliberate, illegal denial of a goal is not just a PK, it is a red card.  It is the same as a deliberate hand-stop, assuming you are not the keeper!  (Assuming also that you are not Maradona, or a German defender playing USA in 2002!) >:(
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 19, 2006, 07:09:47 PM
The run of play certainly favored the Spaniards the entire game, but Tunisia did have at least one first-half shot.  It wasn't an own goal, after all.  [Edit: Tunisia ended up with 4 shots, 3 of them on goal.  Two of these were on the scoring play, a corner kick with a save and goal off the rebound.  Spain, by contrast, had 24 shots and was credited with 66% possession.  Match stats. (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/match/stats.html?id=31&year=2006&month=6&day=&day)]

I agree that Argentina and the Dutch are looking good so far, but I think the team to beat so far has to be the Fat Kid's Mostly French Team.  Lampard and Robben look great, and Zidane's yellow cards don't eliminate him from the playground.  I have doubts about how deep they can go with Defoe in goal, though.   :D

The playground game truly is "impossible," as advertised, but it's not because of Cisse's health or Platini's and Beckenbauer's youth.  It's impossible because, if it were the real World Cup, Jose's foul on Robben would have resulted in faux-agony for Robben and a booking for Jose.   :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2006, 08:04:46 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 19, 2006, 07:09:47 PM
The run of play certainly favored the Spaniards the entire game, but Tunisia did have at least one first-half shot.  It wasn't an own goal, after all.

David, I surely hope you read briefs more carefully than posts! ;)  (And I'm sure you do.) 

If you re-read my post, the shot stats were clearly for the second half only.  But the Spaniards were TOTALLY dominant in the second half (like I said, I missed the first half) - I can attribute their still trailing in the 70th minute only to tons of bad luck. 

Spain SHOULD have breezed through this game (and their game against KSA SHOULD be a rout), but strange things happen when you move from on paper to on the pitch.  I think Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Serbia-Montenegro (which no longer even exists!), and perhaps only one or two others are competing to avoid 'bottom-of-the-barrel'.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 19, 2006, 08:22:47 PM
Oops.  :-[ Briefs are easier for me to understand, since they don't typically have as many parentheticals as your posts.  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2006, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 19, 2006, 08:22:47 PM
Oops.  :-[ Briefs are easier for me to understand, since they don't typically have as many parentheticals as your posts.  ;)

I'm not sure that is true (as a former union president, and union organizer, I read a fair amount of briefs!), but at least I don't DELIBERATELY obfuscate as frequently as the average brief!

My second favorite t-shirt: 'Eschew Obfuscation'. 

[My favorite is from my 14-year-old yesterday: a picture of the US World Cup Team, and reading Happy Fathers Day - he did the computer work himself, though he had a bit of help from my wife on the t-shirt decal.]
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 20, 2006, 08:40:09 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 19, 2006, 06:03:14 PM
Uh?  Everyone dives. 

True, everyone (except for the Americans, and usually the English) dive all the time, but most countries wait until they've been touched and then "sell it."  I wouldn't do it, but I understand why they do and it makes sense.

Late in the second half the camera caught the quintissential Spanish dive, however.  One of the Spanish guys is coming down the sideline, looks back over his shoulder, sees that the Tunisian defender is blocking he refs view and he just does a summersault.  The defender was three feet away.  The Spanish guy just went heels over head and the Tunisian guy rolled his eyes and ran back to set up the defense.  It was rediculous.  That's what I mean about the diving.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 20, 2006, 08:40:38 AM

A bunch of big games today.  The Germans get a touch one and England get to try their best to help T&T move on.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 20, 2006, 10:04:32 AM
Say Ecuador and Germany tie and the South Americans get first place.  Does England sandbag it, let Sweden win and have them play the host country?  Ummm.

Since we're all soccer experts, here's an easy trivia question.

Regarding the all-too-familiar soccer commercial involving the two kids picking all-star teams, name BOTH players that originally start in goal.  If you want, you can send me a message through the site with your guess! lol.  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 20, 2006, 10:10:01 AM

I know Oliver Kahn is in one goal, but I don't remember even seeing another goalie.  I'll have to watch again.



By the way, Germany scored in the 5th minute.  And if I'm England, with the way Ecuador has been playing, I don't know who I'd rather get in the first knock-out match.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 11:40:10 AM
As I mentioned in a previous note, Jermain Defoe starts in the other goal, despite not being a goalkeeper by trade (he's a striker.)

You'll note that neither Kahn nor Defoe is playing in the World Cup.  Kahn is backing up Jens Lehmann; Defoe is not on England's Cup squad.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 20, 2006, 12:26:50 PM

I guess that explains why I didn't see another goalie.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 20, 2006, 12:29:37 PM

So what do we all think about Ecuador sitting their carded players to avoid losing anyone for the next round?

I doubt they feel Sweden nor England are very different in terms of opponents.  I mean was it worth risking your best players to have an outside chance at Trinidad and Tobago?  Probably not.  It's gutsy, but may prove smart, especially if England loses a player or two to cards this afternoon.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Just Bill on June 20, 2006, 12:36:48 PM
Portugal is planning on doing the same thing in their match against Mexico.  I guess Portugal doesn't think there's much difference between playing Argentina or the Netherlands.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: gogenerals04 on June 20, 2006, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 19, 2006, 06:03:14 PM

Oh yeah, if it was up to me, Tommy Smyth and whoever he's paired up with should do every game.  Screw Balboa, Rob Stone and that Shepp guy.  Harkes isn't too bad.


Old School, your comments on ESPN's announcers piqued my interest as a soccer broadcaster.

Tommy Smyth is always a joy to listen to, and his play-by-play cohort is also good: Adrian Healey, who is the studio host for ESPN's coverage of the Champions League and other European football matches. I also agree that John Harkes has come into his own this World Cup, working with my favorite American analyst in J.P. Dellacamera.

Speaking of whom, does anyone know why Dellacamera was shelved as the No. 1 play-by-play announcer by ESPN? He's called games for the network for years, but for some reason he's taken a backseat to Dave O'Brien--who, while a great broadcaster overall, had never called a football match until this year.

While his lack of experience with the sport has been somewhat apparent at times, I think O'Brien has done a fine job of catching on to the spectacle that is the World Cup. And Old School, you're too harsh on Rob Stone. He knows his soccer.

Cheers to England. Wayne Rooney will start up front for the Brits as they look to take down Ljungberg, Ibrahimovic and the Swedes. And who would've thunk it, that Trinidad & Tobago are mathematically alive entering the final game of the group stage?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 20, 2006, 01:00:01 PM

Wait, Portugal is laying down to Mexico?  Is this some sort of Ibero-American alliance?  I'm still planning for Angola to put a hurting on Saudi Arabia and win the final spot over Mexico on goal differential.  Portugal needs to send their guys out hard.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
I thought it was funny when Julie Foudy suggested that Tommy Smyth needed to be subtitled.  :D

I don't think the decision to start Rooney against Sweden was motivated by a desire to beat the Swedes.  I think it was motivated by a desire to beat either Argentina or Holland and reach the semifinals, for which the English will need a match-fit Rooney.  I still expect a listless draw this afternoon, a result which suits both teams.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 20, 2006, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
I thought it was funny when Julie Foudy suggested that Tommy Smyth needed to be subtitled.  :D

I don't think the decision to start Rooney against Sweden was motivated by a desire to beat the Swedes.  I think it was motivated by a desire to beat either Argentina or Holland and reach the semifinals, for which the English will need a match-fit Rooney.  I still expect a listless draw this afternoon, a result which suits both teams.

I don't like Tommy Smyth's voice. I can understand it, but the sound of his voice is annoying.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 20, 2006, 03:11:27 PM

Owen goes down with about his first step on the pitch.  No one touched him.  They bring Crouch on, even though he's sitting on yellow.  Why not let Walcott get some play, especially when the match isn't too important.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 20, 2006, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: gogenerals04 on June 20, 2006, 12:50:52 PM
And Old School, you're too harsh on Rob Stone. He knows his soccer.

I did say that the announcers weren't that good overall and the first person I mentioned in a previous post was Rob Stone.  For Stone, it's not for a lack of knowledge, and in fact all the announcers pretty much know a lot.  But, my reasoning for throwing Rob Stone under the bus was because he just couldn't get off the idea that Deco was the greatest player in the world (basically), mentioning that he was Brazilian born and blah blah blah and calling Japan Brazil several times.  Get over it, Rob.  They are all knowledgeable, but that doesn't mean you're going to be a good announcer.  Balboa constantly repeats himself.

The World Cup Live crew is dwarfed by the Fox Sports World Report crew as well....though Foudy and Wynalda do have their humorous moments.  

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 20, 2006, 03:11:27 PM
Owen goes down with about his first step on the pitch. No one touched him. They bring Crouch on, even though he's sitting on yellow. Why not let Walcott get some play, especially when the match isn't too important.

Looks like an ACL or MCL.  Crouch better be careful since he's carrying a card, I believe.  The game is important.  England doesn't want to play the hosts in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 20, 2006, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 20, 2006, 03:11:27 PM

Owen goes down with about his first step on the pitch. No one touched him. They bring Crouch on, even though he's sitting on yellow. Why not let Walcott get some play, especially when the match isn't too important.

Why......one word......Germany.  England needs to win this game and as worthless as I think Peter Crouch is, he's done relatively well even though he completely misses 99% of his chances badly.

Very depressed about Owen, he's been one of my favorite players since I started following the English leagues about 7 years ago.  That injury looked really bad, you could actually see something snap.......I'll be shocked if he plays again.

A couple summers ago I met an Englishmen in Michigan's UP on "holiday", I talked a little soccer with him asking him his favorite team and such (Leeds).......he immediately assumed I was a David Beckham fan, when I told him I preferred Owen, I seemed to gain a lot more credibility with him.  It was an interesting 20 minutes in my life.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 03:32:55 PM
But England doesn't need to win to avoid Germany; a draw will do just fine.  They're playing with a little more verve than I expected, but still they're not going to take any unreasonable chances and will be thrilled with a 0:0 result. 

Here's a problem with O'Brien: he just told us that Beckham's "power and accuracy have been deadly so far in Group B" (or words to that effect.)  England has exactly two goals in two matches, and Beckham played a role in just one of them.  It's almost like he made up cue cards of likely sound bites before the tournament began, and he's still using them.

Paraguay goes up 1:0 on Trinidad & Tobago on an own goal.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 20, 2006, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 03:32:55 PM
England has exactly two goals in two matches, and Beckham played a role in just one of them. It's almost like he made up cue cards of likely sound bites before the tournament began, and he's still using them.

How many would England have if Crouch could hit the broadside of a barn?


.....and I know England only need a draw.....I'm too american.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 20, 2006, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 03:32:55 PM
Here's a problem with O'Brien: he just told us that Beckham's "power and accuracy have been deadly so far in Group B" (or words to that effect.)  England has exactly two goals in two matches, and Beckham played a role in just one of them.

As much as I agree that Beckham has been overrated for the last four years (at least), he does have two assists for England and pretty much the only European player who can cross a ball with any accuracy.  He's the key to releasing those strikers for shots.  And yes, they would be dominant if Crouch could hit anything.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 04:17:35 PM
Don't misunderstand; I'm not criticizing Beckham or Crouch or any other Englishman (not now, anyway); I'm criticizing O'Brien.  Becks may have provided beautiful service time and again, but so long as they don't result in goals, they can hardly be described as "deadly."   
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 20, 2006, 05:02:42 PM
Can England be any more boring?

Did I read Balboa correctly?  I could've sworn he said Beckham was 34.  I think he's 31 or so.

Exciting teams to watch:

Brazil
Australia
Argentina
Ghana
Spain

Need a nap?  Watch these teams play:

England
France
Togo

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 20, 2006, 05:03:33 PM
Well as good as England were in the 1st they were equally as dreadfull in the second.............Swedan should have scored 4 and did I really just see a throw-in for a goal? ::)  I don't think a Swede touched it.  England should feel lucky.  If it weren't for J. Cole England would have been embarrassed today.

I give Swedan a good shot at beating Germany, England would have been crushed by the Germans.

England will have a tough game with Ecuador, esp if its hot.  They'll be lucky to get past them and then its Ye Olde Nemesis ...........Argentina.  Unless they sharpen up big time this week by Sunday night they'll be on a plane back to the island.  Ecuador can beat them.

Swedan might be the sleeper in this tournament.  They seem to get more chances out of nothing than most.  I like the way they played today.

Can Jermaine DeFoe (Jose's goalkeeper) be called in to replace Owen?



Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 20, 2006, 05:08:13 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 20, 2006, 05:02:42 PM

Did I read Balboa correctly?  I could've sworn he said Beckham was 34.  I think he's 31 or so.


Beckham turned 31 in May..........being married to posh spice I'm sure he feels younger.  ;D ;)

.....and England can be more boring.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 05:10:07 PM
Quote from: sac on June 20, 2006, 05:03:33 PM
Can Jermaine DeFoe (Jose's goalkeeper) be called in to replace Owen?

Defoe's not on the roster; can you change the roster in mid-tournament?  (Maybe I'm just repeating your question.)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2006, 06:14:20 PM
I was surprised by the lack of urgency near the end of the game by Sweden.  Surely they knew on the sideline by then that Trinidad was NOT going to win; thus with either a loss or a draw they still go through as the #2 team.  Only a win was of any relevance, yet they dawdled, wasting precious seconds on every throw-in, etc.  Go for broke (and if England scores on a counter, so what)!  (Perhaps they wanted to protect their non-losing streak against England, approaching, I believe, 40 years.)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 20, 2006, 06:54:28 PM
Its a do or die situation for the U.S. two days from now. Can team U.S. respond with the same sense of urgency as it did and tried against a good italian team. Or will they fall asleep? In my opinion, the U.S. is going to surprise Ghana on thursday. Look for Demarcus and the Donavon to step up.

It sucks that Pablo masteronni (if thats how you its spelled) and Pope will be missing the game.


To be honest the Mexico team also needs to excite many. THey have not lived up to much to their bill as being a high ranked team. WHat do you guys think.


GO TEAM U.S.A
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Tuxguy on June 20, 2006, 07:33:23 PM
I too am sorry the U.S. will be without 2 very good players. Anyone else think there have been way to many cards given out in the first rounds? ???

Seems when the  FIFA heads think too many cards have been given there is a problem. And this is just my opinion, but it seems some of the games have not been called the same for both teams! >:(

Good luck to the USA, win won for the red white and blue!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2006, 08:15:24 PM
Something I've just GOT to toss out:  what is with Brazilian star Kaka?

As I'm sure many of you know, 'caca' is the Spanish equivalent of 'sh*t', and Portuguese and Spanish are very closely allied languages (besides, MANY of Brazil's matches will be against Spanish-speaking teams).  Does that term not exist (or have a different meaning) in Portuguese?  Does he simply enjoy the notoriety of a really bizarre name?  Was he a really lousy junior player, and his nickname persists to this day?

Any info, anyone? ???

In terms of USA-Ghana, Ghana's absences SHOULD be more hurtful than ours.  They'll be missing 2 of their best goal scorers, and reportedly Ghana is a much less deep team than USA.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 20, 2006, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2006, 08:15:24 PM
Something I've just GOT to toss out:  what is with Brazilian star Kaka?

As I'm sure many of you know, 'caca' is the Spanish equivalent of 'sh*t', and Portuguese and Spanish are very closely allied languages (besides, MANY of Brazil's matches will be against Spanish-speaking teams).  Does that term not exist (or have a different meaning) in Portuguese?  Does he simply enjoy the notoriety of a really bizarre name?  Was he a really lousy junior player, and his nickname persists to this day?

Any info, anyone? ???

In terms of USA-Ghana, Ghana's absences SHOULD be more hurtful than ours.  They'll be missing 2 of their best goal scorers, and reportedly Ghana is a much less deep team than USA.

kaka: the name has an accent on teh second a, therefore it is not pronounced the same as caca.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2006, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on June 20, 2006, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2006, 08:15:24 PM
Something I've just GOT to toss out:  what is with Brazilian star Kaka?

As I'm sure many of you know, 'caca' is the Spanish equivalent of 'sh*t', and Portuguese and Spanish are very closely allied languages (besides, MANY of Brazil's matches will be against Spanish-speaking teams).  Does that term not exist (or have a different meaning) in Portuguese?  Does he simply enjoy the notoriety of a really bizarre name?  Was he a really lousy junior player, and his nickname persists to this day?

Any info, anyone? ???

In terms of USA-Ghana, Ghana's absences SHOULD be more hurtful than ours.  They'll be missing 2 of their best goal scorers, and reportedly Ghana is a much less deep team than USA.

kaka: the name has an accent on teh second a, therefore it is not pronounced the same as caca.

You think opposing fans are going to worry about that technicality?! :o
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 20, 2006, 08:41:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2006, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on June 20, 2006, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2006, 08:15:24 PM
Something I've just GOT to toss out:  what is with Brazilian star Kaka?

As I'm sure many of you know, 'caca' is the Spanish equivalent of 'sh*t', and Portuguese and Spanish are very closely allied languages (besides, MANY of Brazil's matches will be against Spanish-speaking teams).  Does that term not exist (or have a different meaning) in Portuguese?  Does he simply enjoy the notoriety of a really bizarre name?  Was he a really lousy junior player, and his nickname persists to this day?

Any info, anyone? ???

In terms of USA-Ghana, Ghana's absences SHOULD be more hurtful than ours.  They'll be missing 2 of their best goal scorers, and reportedly Ghana is a much less deep team than USA.

kaka: the name has an accent on teh second a, therefore it is not pronounced the same as caca.

You think opposing fans are going to worry about that technicality?! :o

when he's scoring goals to beat the opponent they'll wish they had someone with that name!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 20, 2006, 09:12:05 PM
The worst thing about Thursday is that we (US) have to root for Italy.  >:(

Of all the teams I've seen play I have the least respect for how they play.  Dive, Dive and then Dive.

Chances are their disdane for the US will cause them to play for a tie vs Czech instead of the win.

The US better win by 5, because they can't count on the Italians.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 20, 2006, 10:22:32 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 20, 2006, 05:10:07 PM
Defoe's not on the roster; can you change the roster in mid-tournament?  (Maybe I'm just repeating your question.)

no.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 21, 2006, 09:02:34 AM
Michael Owen's injury has been confirmed to be a ruptured ACL.  Eriksson says he plans to use Walcott, as well as having others such as Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, and Aaron Lennon take on the second striker role.

Michael has always been a classy guy; it's a shame to see this happen to him now.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 21, 2006, 12:03:40 PM

Mexico is going to be an easy out for the Argentina-Holland winner.  They couldn't even get points against Portugal when they sat five starters?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 21, 2006, 12:21:57 PM
I assume wrong in thinking that the mexico-portugal game would favor "el tri". The boys from Mexico were tightly covered by a good portugal defense. It should be a tough match for who ever they get matched up with next.

Funny that Kaka's name was brought up. I love this team who has players with mononames(i.e ronahaldo, ronahaldino, peepee,oops .) But you guys have to understand, all of those players go by 1 name, 1 middle name and 4 four last names. SO kaka is easier.   

Cheer on for the red, white and blue tomorrow. BEst of luck.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 21, 2006, 01:25:42 PM

We do get the wrong impression of the Brazilians too in assuming they all go by just one name.  Several of them use their given names, but only the last name appears on the shirt (like any other country).

Nelson Dida and Fereira de Rosa Emerson are two prominent individuals.


Although, no one would ever get me to use just one name if I was born Ronaldo Luiz Nazario da Silva; that is one awesome name.  Our US names are so boring.

Besides, Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite naturally becomes Kaka anyway.  It just fits.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 21, 2006, 01:36:48 PM
IMO Mexico played well enough MOST of the time to win, but gave away the match on sheer brain farts.  Portugal's second goal was a PK when a Mexican player reached his hand up to deflect a corner kick.  Mexico had to play a man down for the last 30+ minutes because Perez, who already had one yellow, took an obvious dive in the box, then started screaming at the ref when he didn't get a PK.  Finally, Mexico missed a PK which would have restored a tie, the kick going at least 15 feet high and wide (surely one of the worst PK attempts in Cup history).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 21, 2006, 03:44:26 PM
It's was karma that the Mexican player missed his penalty kick.  It was a harsh call on the Portugal defender who basically fell on the ball after a flying challenge, IMO. 

I think I'm still bitter than Mexico got one of the eight seeds and the US didn't.  I was hoping for Portugal to tack on one more/and or Angola to win by 2 goals for the Africans to go through.

I was actually reading an interesting article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel awhile back, and as for Mexican decent, people basically start out with two names and then add their husband's last name as well as acquiring another name somehow.  Yeah, pretty vague, but unlike most Americans when they get married, some don't drop their "maiden name".  I have a friend in Uruguay and her full name is Maria Eugenia Noya Olivieri. 

All this name talk reminds me of Pulp Fiction and Bruce Willis' character "Butch" having a conversation with the cab driver, Esmeralda Villalobos. 

"Butch, what does that mean?"

"I'm American, our names don't mean sh!t"
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 21, 2006, 04:55:38 PM
 :D :D :D Old school that was a funny comment that you brought up about American names.

Mr.Ypsi, I have to agree with your view and opinions of the big mistakes that Mexico caused. Much of their planning led to simple brain farts that could have easily been prevented. Look for Raffa Marques to do better in the next round. I hope.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 21, 2006, 04:59:22 PM
Well, I watch the "glamour game" and end up missing 4 of the 5 goals in the Ivory Coast/S&M game!  Glad I wasted two hours of my life sleeping through the Holland/Argentina game.  Had that game been the first or second game, it would've been 10 times better.

On to more important things.  As we all know, the easiest way for the US to advance to for them to win AND Italy to win as well.

HERE (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-wcup-us-scenarios-box&prov=ap&type=lgns) are the ADVANCEMENT SCENARIOS, according to Yahoo...all SEVEN of them!  And I thought the WIAC tie-breakers were a little confusing.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 21, 2006, 05:14:39 PM
What a yawner in the Argentina-Holland game. Except for Argentina's push for a 5 minute or so stretch at the mid point of the first half, there was no real sustained threats by either team.

Old school, I was feeling like you, rooting for Angola to win and for Portugal to score more.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 21, 2006, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 21, 2006, 03:44:26 PM
I think I'm still bitter than Mexico got one of the eight seeds and the US didn't. 

Although I feel your pain (USA did win the qualifying group), I hasten to point out that it wasn't Mexico that prevented the USA from being seeded.  The 8th seed is Italy, described by the BBC as "narrowly beat[ing] the US into eighth."  Mexico is seeded 5th, ahead of their Round of 16 opponent (Argentina), believe it or not.

BBC Sport article on the seeding of the draw (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4356050.stm)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 21, 2006, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 21, 2006, 03:44:26 PM
It's was karma that the Mexican player missed his penalty kick.  It was a harsh call on the Portugal defender who basically fell on the ball after a flying challenge, IMO. 

[I could have sworn I just posted this, but it never came up.]

Even though I was rooting for our southern neighbor (which seems to put me in a minority!), I totally agree with you.  The Portuguese player fell, and in trying to break his fall his hand hit the ball.  While the call was technically correct, I would have preferred a no-call.

One of the things I like best about soccer (though it can be abused) is that the ref has virtually unlimited discretion to not call infractions if the wrong team would be penalized or if no advantage was gained by the infraction.  In this case, the PK seemed awfully harsh since Portugal gained no advantage from the handball.

The reason why whistles seem often rather late is that good refs will 'swallow the whistle' if the wrong team would be penalized, and that is not always clear for a few seconds.  Last fall, one idiot took away a breakaway goal from Ypsi HS because the other team had been guilty of a handball (needless to say, the other team was ecstatic to be 'penalized')!

I didn't think is was possible for Argentina to be THAT boring!  So much for 2 hours of my life. >:( :(
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 21, 2006, 09:54:33 PM
Mr Ypsi, I agree with you on the liberty that Soccer officials have to "no call" if it impedes that advantage gained.

However the proper evaluation of an injured player can only be done off the field.

Get those guys off the field and play-on. :)


Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on June 21, 2006, 10:53:41 PM
Mexico would have had a couple more goals on any other day they played.  I don't think it was Portugal's defense as much as it was Mexico's jitters at possibly not making the 2nd Round.

I can't imangine how bad the Angola/Iran match must have been...
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 22, 2006, 07:57:49 AM
Contrary to popular belief, Italy has a lot to play for.  If they tie and Ghana wins, Ghana are group winners and Italy gets Brazil. 

Italy will be going for the win unless they see the U.S. up by a comfortable margin.  If Italy and Ghana are tied in their respective games, both will be going for the win simply because Italy can't play for a tie in case Ghana pulls out a late winner.

I'm really looking forward to today's games.  I'm pulling out my television from my bedroom so I can watch both games!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 22, 2006, 08:59:33 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 21, 2006, 04:59:22 PM
Well, I watch the "glamour game" and end up missing 4 of the 5 goals in the Ivory Coast/S&M game!  Glad I wasted two hours of my life sleeping through the Holland/Argentina game.  Had that game been the first or second game, it would've been 10 times better.

On to more important things.  As we all know, the easiest way for the US to advance to for them to win AND Italy to win as well.

HERE (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-wcup-us-scenarios-box&prov=ap&type=lgns) are the ADVANCEMENT SCENARIOS, according to Yahoo...all SEVEN of them!  And I thought the WIAC tie-breakers were a little confusing.


Anything that involved the casting of lots should probably be avoided at all costs.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 22, 2006, 10:45:40 AM
USA finally scores a goal by their offense!! Beasley with an assist on a brilliant play!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 22, 2006, 10:48:20 AM
The refs are trying to screw the USA again by giving Ghana a BS penalty kick!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 22, 2006, 10:52:47 AM
What a joke. 

I almost cursed Beasley when he played an early ball instead of running at the defense!  Nice pass, great finish, crappy PK call. 

At least the Czechs are down to 10 men.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 22, 2006, 12:12:06 PM
New rule: players carried off on stretchers either stay off a minimum of ten minutes or stay off the remainder of the game.

New rule: since all the refs have those hot little communication devices taped to their faces and ears, they should be talking to officials planted in the crowd. Let the people who can see what's going on be the last word in determining whether or not there has been a penalty.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2006, 12:28:19 PM
You're certainly right that the PK was a joke, but I'm surprised the commentators kept blaming Reyna for the first goal, rather than noting that it was also bogus.  Draman slammed Reyna's knee; I'd have no trouble 'picking the pocket' of a player writhing in agony on the ground either!!  That was clearly a foul, probably even a card.  (Plus, although he returned for a while, it also cost us the captain.)

Bottom line, with competent officiating the US would have 6 points instead of 1, and I believe would have been the group winner due to the head-to-head result against Italy.

I'll still watch the rest of the Cup, but the refs have really spoiled it for me.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 22, 2006, 12:43:47 PM
What a disappoining end for the U.S. side.

Back to Eric Wynalda's line from this past weekend, "There are two kinds of refs, bad and worse."
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 22, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
I'm willing to give the refs the benefit of a doubt: one center ref to keep an eye on 22 players scattered over 110 yards of playing area and compound that with the bulk of the 22 players willing to dive, whine, cry and roll around as though they've just been knifed in the back. Even basketball with half the number of players and a much smaller area puts three refs in the arena of play and doesn't restrict two of them from making or overruling calls.

Take the acting out of the game--or discourage it with consequences that mean something--and the face of the game should change. If you can't tell if someone has been seriously hurt or not, simply assume if he has to leave the game, he's seriously hurt; he doesn't come back. Especially in the waning minutes and if the injured player is on the winning side. Wasting time for a pseudo-injury should be a red card.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 22, 2006, 01:38:09 PM

The bottom line was that the US came up a goal short.  Even if the ref hadn't called the penalty, we would still not have made it.

Reyna shouldn't have been the last one back.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 22, 2006, 03:06:07 PM
Disappointing end to the US.  But I will continue to watch the Cup as well.  I'm hoping the Aussies go through because they are fun to watch.  I'll root for England and Holland and may as well cheer on Ghana, though Essien won't even play in the 2nd round.


I'm well aware of the fact that all players try to slow down the game when they are ahead, but Ghana was just ridiculous.  Every time there was a challenge, they'd go down like their leg was broken.  A couple of times, I just wished the US kept playing, scored and then worried about the agony of the Ghanian player later.  What a joke.  They took it to a new level.  There should've been about 15 minutes of "injury time" after those acts. 

I honestly don't think there should've been a foul on Reyna.  Maybe I didn't see it as closely as you, but I was probably just too busy being pissed at Reyna for forking it up. 

As I type, Croatia hits in the 2nd minute off a free kick!

Anyway, the ref has TWO assistant refs to help him out.  I have no idea what the center ref saw to call that PK.  I feel the game would have been much different had it been 1-1 going into the break.

Beasley must be the happiest player on the US that the Cup is over for them.  What a forgettable Cup for him.  He was horrible again today, going backward a lot more than going foward.  Aside from his pass, he was invisible, as was Donovan.  Ghana's defense was not very good at all and the US hardly pressed them or ran at them to challenge them. 

Nice to see Eddie Johnson finally coming on. 

Well, on with the Cup...
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 22, 2006, 03:10:50 PM

Reyna's inury brought some bad memories for me.  I lost an MCL is a similarly harmless looking touch of knees on the basketball court.  I hope he's alright.

Michael Davies, the ESPN blogger, put it best today when he said the US has talent all over the field, but lacks one game-changing player.  If we had a Nedved in the middle of the field directing traffic, we would be very successful.

Here's to four more years of player development.  I know I'm sounding like a Red Sox fan here, but do you know how many of these guys will be in the middle of their prime for the next cup?

I'll be rooting for anyone but Brazil at this point; its no fun for the same team to win every time.  I like the Swiss for some suprises.  We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 22, 2006, 03:16:57 PM
Overall, teh US played like a high school player drafted in the first round of the NBA draft that turns out to be a bust: Shows moments of brilliance at times in a few games, and every once in a while puts in a good game, but overall he ends up being a bad player.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2006, 03:42:20 PM
I am like most of you. 

Change the rule that stops play when a player goes down.  Play on around him.  One attendant may go to him.  In the meantime, the teams play on and they are like the referee, just part of the playing pitch.  If the injured player goes off on his own strength for evaluation and is not substituted, then he may return.

If the player goes down in the penalty area, the player must crawl outside the penalty area to be treated.  If he requires treatment in the penalty area, then play stops, he is removed from the pitch and he is out for the remainder of the game.

Now I haven't thought out all of the nuances of that law change, but those are the principles that I favor.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 22, 2006, 03:52:43 PM

I say just have the referees give more cards for diving.  Half the Ghana team would have been out with ten minutes to go today.  I understand selling the foul, but going down when you're not touched is just unfair.  In a sport where its standard practice to push the ball out of bounds when a player is hurt, you would think they'd avoid abusing the gentlemenly play by diving all over the place.

I think the US played well, not at the top of their game, but very well.  We need more players developing in Europe and we need some more realistic expectations in general.  In five of these groups, the US would be moving on; we got a tough draw.  US fans are used to winning all the time; they have to be prepared for letdowns once in a while.  Holland made the semis in 98 and then missed the whole thing in 02.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2006, 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2006, 03:42:20 PM
I am like most of you. 

Change the rule that stops play when a player goes down.  Play on around him.  One attendant may go to him.  In the meantime, the teams play on and they are like the referee, just part of the playing pitch.  If the injured player goes off on his own strength for evaluation and is not substituted, then he may return.

If the player goes down in the penalty area, the player must crawl outside the penalty area to be treated.  If he requires treatment in the penalty area, then play stops, he is removed from the pitch and he is out for the remainder of the game.

Now I haven't thought out all of the nuances of that law change, but those are the principles that I favor.

I'd suggest one amendment: if the player is out for the game, his sub does not count as one of the 3 allowed.  Otherwise it would seem overly harsh to the team if a legitimately injured player goes down after the 3 subs have been used.

At the half: Aussies 1, Croatia 1.

At the half: Brazil 1, Japan 1.  This one looked to be a stunner, as Japan led 1-0 right up through 46 minutes, but the much derided Ronaldo found the net just seconds before the end of stoppage time.

A further comment on Draman-Reyna: while I agree that Reyna should not have been trying to dribble out (I believe he had a clear pass back to Kellar), he had not yet lost the ball when the front of Draman's knee struck hard at the side of Reyna's knee (which is why Reyna got so much the worse of the collision).  I'm not a licensed ref, so someone correct me if I'm interpreting the rule wrong, but that sounds like 'dangerous play' to me.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2006, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2006, 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2006, 03:42:20 PM
I am like most of you. 

Change the rule that stops play when a player goes down.  Play on around him.  One attendant may go to him.  In the meantime, the teams play on and they are like the referee, just part of the playing pitch.  If the injured player goes off on his own strength for evaluation and is not substituted, then he may return.

If the player goes down in the penalty area, the player must crawl outside the penalty area to be treated.  If he requires treatment in the penalty area, then play stops, he is removed from the pitch and he is out for the remainder of the game.

Now I haven't thought out all of the nuances of that law change, but those are the principles that I favor.

I'd suggest one amendment: if the player is out for the game, his sub does not count as one of the 3 allowed.  Otherwise it would seem overly harsh to the team if a legitimately injured player goes down after the 3 subs have been used.

At the half: Aussies 1, Croatia 1.

At the half: Brazil 1, Japan 1.  This one looked to be a stunner, as Japan led 1-0 right up through 46 minutes, but the much derided Ronaldo found the net just seconds before the end of stoppage time.

A further comment on Draman-Reyna: while I agree that Reyna should not have been trying to dribble out (I believe he had a clear pass back to Kellar), he had not yet lost the ball when the front of Draman's knee struck hard at the side of Reyna's knee (which is why Reyna got so much the worse of the collision).  I'm not a licensed ref, so someone correct me if I'm interpreting the rule wrong, but that sounds like 'dangerous play' to me.
Mr Ypsi, you are right about allowing the sub for the injured player who must leave.  That eliminates the tactic of injuing players to take away a coach's substitution powers.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 22, 2006, 04:12:20 PM
I may have been completely blind, but I thought Donovan had an open shot toward the end--just to the right side of the goal and facing only the keeper--and he passed. Why not take the shot and hope for at least a rebound?

Others may have been disappointing, but I actually wondered if maybe Landon had a hot date he didn't want to miss in the U.S. His crosses were weird; his shots were crazy.

I thought McBride played very well and with a lot of effort. Beasley rarely seemed to have open field. I think he held onto the ball too long...it's one thing to make a run, it's quite another to realize when you've been discovered and have no place to go. He didn't seem to catch on. You'd think three defenders collapsing on you would be a clue.

I saw Ghana's second game (against Italy?) and thought they were terrific. I'll stick with them. I thought their passes were great and they went to the ball; they seemed to be everywhere. Ivory Coast, oddly enough, I thought played the same kind of swarming, quick game. I was impressed. Of course, I'm easily impressed.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 22, 2006, 04:24:21 PM
I like the substitution without being penalized as a substitution for a REAL injury, and I suspect players will stay honest (not diving just to bring on fresh legs), because they usually want to play.

I thought dangerous play had to be from behind; tackles from the front or side weren't labelled 'dangerous' even though they could inflict some serious pain and/or damage. Am I off?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 22, 2006, 04:27:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 22, 2006, 01:38:09 PM

The bottom line was that the US came up a goal short.  Even if the ref hadn't called the penalty, we would still not have made it.


This is true, but IMO, the game would have been much different if the US goes into the half tied.  They were forced to press the entire 2nd half and it really took them out of their game.

In regards to the bogus PK call, had Bocanegra just cleard the ball out of bounds instead of vollying the ball straight up and then losing the ensuing header, Ghana would have had no shot at drawing that phantom call in the first place!

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 22, 2006, 03:52:43 PM

In a sport where its standard practice to push the ball out of bounds when a player is hurt, you would think they'd avoid abusing the gentlemenly play by diving all over the place.


The refs do make judgement calls in terms of whether or not they feel a player is really hurt or faking an injury to stall.  I saw this in one of the earlier games (I can't remember which one) but the ref basically waved play on and kept signalling the faker to get up and play on.  I know is suppsedly "gentlemenly" to kick the ball out when an opposing player is down, but when you need 2 goals and have less than 15 minutes and the opposing players are constanly flopping, I say, let them flop and take it to them with a man down.  Maybe that will teach them not to flop!

I also thought that the refs were supposed to be tougher on callling out players for diving.  I have seen no evidence of that.

Normally, you would be hard-pressed to place a lot of blame on the final outcome of any game in any sport on officiating.  But in these last 2 US matches, it's hard not to.  I just think it's too bad that you wait 4 years for this build up of the World Cup and it comes to a crashing halt thanks to a card happy ref that used to be on the take in the Venezuelan league and one horrible PK call.  

The US put themselves in that position though when they came out and laid an egg vs. the Czechs.  Had they at least shown up for that game, this World Cup might still be going for them.  As a diehard Cubs and Indians fan, I know the saying well, only as a  soccer fan it's, "There's always 4 years from now... " :-\
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 22, 2006, 04:33:32 PM
Just thought I'd add that I too will continue to follow the WC and I will now be cheering hard for England!  Wooster's head soccer coach is English and he's a good guy, so The Three Lions will have my support the rest of the way!  GO ENGLAND!!!

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Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
I'm no soccer expert, but having watched all three U.S. matches, these were my impressions:

1.  Give credit to Ghana.  They were the better team today, and I wouldn't write them off against Brazil, if that's their next match.

2.  The U.S. squad, across all three games, seemed to lack both quickness and speed.  Especially against Ghana, the opponents seemed always to get to the ball or the key spot first.

3.  I was underwhelmed by the skill levels of the U.S. players, compared to those of every team they played.  In particular, the U.S. always came up short in the "red zone" -- either the service passes were inaccurate, or on the rare occasions (other than Beasley's great pass after a defensive lapse by Ghana) when the pass was on the money, the U.S. couldn't make the play to capitalize.

4.  Team Golden Boy Landon Donovan didn't play -- at least in these games -- like a guy who is supposed to be leading his team at this level of competition.  He didn't play much when he was on a German team, and made comments suggesting either anti-American prejudice or an animus against the U.S. World Cup team, but maybe there's a simpler explanation...

I do think, though, that the team probably was good enough to advance in an easier group, and I expect the U.S. to be better in four years.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 22, 2006, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2006, 03:42:20 PM
I am like most of you. 

Change the rule that stops play when a player goes down.  Play on around him.  One attendant may go to him.  In the meantime, the teams play on and they are like the referee, just part of the playing pitch.

I don't think there is an actual rule that says stop play when a player goes down.  The opposing team just kicks the ball out, one of those unwritten rules of soccer.  The ref does have the discretion to blow the play dead if he feels the injury is serious.

In an English Premier League game, that happened.  Two Arsenal players basically took each other out, one layed on the ground for sometime.  Tottenham continued play and scored.  They didn't hear the end of it.  But, the ref didn't blow the whistle dead and since the Arsenal players took each other out, Tottenham felt they weren't obligated to kick the ball out.

Another contraversy involving Arsenal, ironically, happened during an FA Cup game vs [I forgot].  An opposing player got hurt so that team kicked the ball out.  Arsenal's throw.  Instead of giving the ball back, they threw it in and scored right away!  They felt bad enough after the "miscommunication" that I believe they actually scored on themselves purposely...thus resulting in a replay, which Arsenal went on to win.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 22, 2006, 05:07:30 PM
Quote from: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
1.  Give credit to Ghana.  They were the better team today, and I wouldn't write them off against Brazil, if that's their next match.

I would have totally agreed until watching Brazil play this afternoon.  They've finally gotten on form and will once again be the favorites going into knock-out play.


Quote from: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
2.  The U.S. squad, across all three games, seemed to lack both quickness and speed.  Especially against Ghana, the opponents seemed always to get to the ball or the key spot first.

I think this is very true.  I'm not sure if replacing Arena is the answer, but we need to play differently.  Guys like Dempsey and Johnson who have not gotten much run, need to be in the game more.  Donovan and Beasley came up so early they've missed out on the creativity and aggressiveness that this "next generation" in bringing.  It's wierd to talk about it that way since they are all about the same age, but those guys look like the traditional US soccer player and not the future as they were dubbed four years ago.

Quote from: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
3.  I was underwhelmed by the skill levels of the U.S. players, compared to those of every team they played.  In particular, the U.S. always came up short in the "red zone" -- either the service passes were inaccurate, or on the rare occasions (other than Beasley's great pass after a defensive lapse by Ghana) when the pass was on the money, the U.S. couldn't make the play to capitalize.

Again, our player development isn't lacking, but our coaching strategies may be.  We obviously don't have the ability to compete for World Cup titles yet, but we should have been able to put on a better show than this.  Hopefully four years in Europe can do a lot for Convey and Onyewu (who's going to get a sweet transfer this summer... guaranteed) and the continual development of the young guys will progress.  We have some really great talent on the under 20 side.

Quote from: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
4.  Team Golden Boy Landon Donovan didn't play -- at least in these games -- like a guy who is supposed to be leading his team at this level of competition.  He didn't play much when he was on a German team, and made comments suggesting either anti-American prejudice or an animus against the U.S. World Cup team, but maybe there's a simpler explanation...

We need guys in Europe badly.  I don't care what anyone says: its crazy for Donovan to be in the States, or at least, if he does stay in MLS, he needs to understand that his starting spot in midfield is not secure.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 22, 2006, 05:14:01 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 22, 2006, 05:07:30 PM
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Quote from: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
4.  Team Golden Boy Landon Donovan didn't play -- at least in these games -- like a guy who is supposed to be leading his team at this level of competition.  He didn't play much when he was on a German team, and made comments suggesting either anti-American prejudice or an animus against the U.S. World Cup team, but maybe there's a simpler explanation...

We need guys in Europe badly.  I don't care what anyone says: its crazy for Donovan to be in the States, or at least, if he does stay in MLS, he needs to understand that his starting spot in midfield is not secure.

I was jsut watching around the horn and bill plaschke brought up a point ath i thought was pretty good. he basically said that the reason the international basketball teams are getting better is because they are playing overseas in the NBA, playing against the best talent in the world. then he basically went on to say that the US will never be any good at soccer until our players do the same.

another point he brought up was teh lack of diversity on the team. he basically said where are all the asian-americans, mexicans, etc? this country is a melting pot of cultures yet everyone looks the same (other than a couple african-americans). so i guess his point was that the team needs to look like its more than just composed of a bunch of white guys who grew up in white suburbia with soccer moms.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 22, 2006, 05:18:43 PM
Ghana played well and had a great trapping defense in the first half. Everytime a U.S. player had the ball, especially near the sideline there were three Ghana players quickly surrounding him. This coupled with the fact that the U.S. seemed to react very slowly to this kept them from doing much in the first half. In the second half the U.S. passes were quicker but seemed to be very much off the mark.

In the Italy game and in the Ghana game, when we bring in an extra striker and press forward, the U.S. can dominate games. I realize that many times the other team is hanging back, but I have always felt that the Americans play too defensive a game and need to press the attack more, early in the game.

WOW, that last 20 minutes of the Australia-Croatia game was something else. I'm still catching my breath.  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 05:22:03 PM
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another point he brought up was teh lack of diversity on the team. he basically said where are all the asian-americans, mexicans, etc? this country is a melting pot of cultures yet everyone looks the same (other than a couple african-americans). so i guess his point was that the team needs to look like its more than just composed of a bunch of white guys who grew up in white suburbia with soccer moms.
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Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 05:25:38 PM
Sorry -- blew the quote function.

In response to Scottie, I'm not sure I agree about a lack of "diversity" on the U.S. team.  Pope, Beasley, Johnson, Onyewu, Reyna...  I'm not sure how many World Cup teams are MORE diverse.

I do agree with you, though, on the need for all of these guys to get more top-flight international competition.  You don't become a better tennis player by only playing guys at or below your current level.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 22, 2006, 06:02:47 PM
I think there's something to be said for the relatively brief history of soccer in this country--not that it hasn't been played here long enough, but not enough people have played it for long enough. We haven't absorbed the game; we don't grow up playing soccer, watching soccer, living and breathing soccer. I suspect it will take at least another generation before the United States can compete on a resepctable level internationally. We're too slow, too calculated, too unnatural. We don't sense the game, yet. Maybe instead of piecing together a team from good players from several teams, we need to get the best team and groom it for play. Part of the game is knowing where your teammates are likely to be in a given situation. The United States just isn't that smooth.

Of course, other countries piece their teams together, but they already have absorbed the game so well, they seem to understand what to do and what others are supposed to do.

Once the kids who grew up playing soccer get around to coaching kids who are growing up playing soccer and are the children of kids who grew up playing soccer, things may improve. I don't feel that bad about being the sloppy team, though. I'm not that crazy about the U.S. dominating everything. I even enjoy seeing the Japanese whup us at baseball. Or the Puerto Ricans. The U.S. team qualified; that's a great start. We're out there, we're taking our lumps. Let's hope we can translate lumps into improvement. We've got two years before qualifying starts again.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 22, 2006, 06:11:13 PM
Quote from: Pistol Pete on June 22, 2006, 05:25:38 PM
Sorry -- blew the quote function.

In response to Scottie, I'm not sure I agree about a lack of "diversity" on the U.S. team.  Pope, Beasley, Johnson, Onyewu, Reyna...  I'm not sure how many World Cup teams are MORE diverse.

I do agree with you, though, on the need for all of these guys to get more top-flight international competition.  You don't become a better tennis player by only playing guys at or below your current level.

sure we may be diverse than most other teams, but look at all the good countries, they aren't diverse to begin with and their guys are getting the job done. the white kids from the suburbs aren't.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2006, 06:43:29 PM
There was a brief cautionary piece in the Chicago Tribune before the WC matches started.  In essence, it said that the kids who stay with soccer in the U.S. are those who aren't big enough for American football, tall enough for basketball, or fast enough for either.  Thus, we shouldn't expect a great deal of success yet.  I'm not sure it will take another entire generation, however.

With the exception of the Beasley-Dempsey goal (a thing of beauty and, yes, joy), the U.S. just looked way too slow and plodding.  Their play reminded me of the line from Hoosiers:  "How many times are you gonna pass the ball before you shoot?"  You don't always have to pass it the extra time.

I saw no foul on Reyna; he should have cleared the ball.  Yes, there shouldn't have been a penalty kick awarded (that ref was the same one who wanted an Aussie player, Harry Kewell, banned from playing today because after the game the ref said Kewell had cursed at him.  FIFA said the ref was inconsistent and refused the ban.)  So the game should have ended 1-1, which still wouldn't have been enough for the U.S.

Teams still in that I like:  England (who haven't played their best yet), Australia, and Spain
Teams that scare me:  Argentina
Team that don't scare me as much as I thought they would:  Brazil and Italy
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2006, 06:46:36 PM
Scottie,

I think you are painting with WAY to broad a brush.  I don't know if they are suburban kids, but Eddie Lewis, Brian McBride, and Casey Kellar (and maybe I've overlooked one or two others) played just fine!  (Kellar, in particular, had a few saves against Italy that I'm not certain ANY other keeper would have made.)

foul_language,

I think you've got an excellent point - even for the second-generation soccer kids, it just isn't 'in the bones' yet.  But I think you may be pessimistic - I like our chances of at least the semis by 2010!  Many of the key players SHOULD just be hitting their prime by then, and the next wave (Freddy Adu and comrades) should be ready to contribute.  I'm just sorry that IF that transpires, Kellar, Reyna, and Pope (and apologies to whoever I left out!) will probably not be a part of it.

Hoops Fan,

I'm a big fan of MLS, and would hate to lose some of the key young players, but I agree with you - either make MLS truly MAJOR League Soccer, or encourage Adu and the other rising players to get the h*** out of this country for their futbol!  The national team would be much better off if they all were already familiar with Ronaldinho, Nedved, etc.  Scouting on tape is one thing; actually playing them is another.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2006, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2006, 06:43:29 PM
There was a brief cautionary piece in the Chicago Tribune before the WC matches started.  In essence, it said that the kids who stay with soccer in the U.S. are those who aren't big enough for American football, tall enough for basketball, or fast enough for either.  Thus, we shouldn't expect a great deal of success yet.  I'm not sure it will take another entire generation, however.

I saw no foul on Reyna; he should have cleared the ball.  Yes, there shouldn't have been a penalty kick awarded (that ref was the same one who wanted an Aussie player, Harry Kewell, banned from playing today because after the game the ref said Kewell had cursed at him.  FIFA said the ref was inconsistent and refused the ban.)  So the game should have ended 1-1, which still wouldn't have been enough for the U.S.

Sorry, I prematurely hit the post button!

The Tribune probably has it about right, but, except for physical 'freaks' like the 6'8" Czech striker, futbol players worldwide would not be well-suited for American football or basketball (except, POSSIBLY, as receivers, db's (and kickers, obviously!) or guards (in bball).  Undoubtedly we do lose a higher percentage of potentially great soccer players than other countries to the higher profile (and higher paying) sports, just because in many of the other countries futbol IS the higher profile (and paying) sport.

I'll try the Draman-Reyna thing one more time, then I'll get off my soapbox.  A straight-ahead knee (accelerating towards full speed) to the side of an opponent's knee strikes me as a good definition of 'dangerous play'.  My experience is that that designation is usually a euphemism for 'high-kick' (at least on the youth soccer game reports I'm familiar with, 'tackle from behind' is a separate category of yellow card).  But if 'front-of-knee to side-of-knee' is not 'dangerous play', what is?  That can end careers!

I want to make it clear that I am not accusing Draman of deliberately injuring Reyna, just that I think he engaged in 'dangerous play'.

Even if you are correct about Draman-Reyna, might not a 1-1 rather than 1-2 halftime score dramatically changed the second half?  (And thanks for the info on the ref trying to ban Kewell - I hadn't heard about that.)

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 23, 2006, 12:27:54 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2006, 06:59:57 PM
I'll try the Draman-Reyna thing one more time, then I'll get off my soapbox.  A straight-ahead knee (accelerating towards full speed) to the side of an opponent's knee strikes me as a good definition of 'dangerous play'.  My experience is that that designation is usually a euphemism for 'high-kick' (at least on the youth soccer game reports I'm familiar with, 'tackle from behind' is a separate category of yellow card).  But if 'front-of-knee to side-of-knee' is not 'dangerous play', what is?  That can end careers!

I want to make it clear that I am not accusing Draman of deliberately injuring Reyna, just that I think he engaged in 'dangerous play'.


Ypsi,

I don't claim to be a real expert on this.  It's just my observation (I watch mostly the English Premier League, but have also watched MLS) that if a player gets the ball and some contact occurs (unless, as you point out, it's from the back), it's not a foul.  Sure, contact like that can end careers.  Michael Owen's career may be over after no contact at all and a minute on the pitch.  The Ghanian got the ball and did not come into Reyna's knee with his spikes up--another clear foul, as you point out.  The play today just wasn't "dangerous" by professional standards; those guys live with that.  And Reyna could have avoided it by getting rid of the ball quickly.

I'm sure things could have felt different had the game been tied at halftime; either of the Ghana goals could/should have been avoided.  But the fact remains that, for the first half and part of the second, the U.S. team looked to be moving in slow motion.  The Australia-Croatia game wasn't pretty, but it involved two teams playing with real desire and urgency, and a sense for how they were going to try to score.  I didn't sense that from the U.S. effort for most of the game.




Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on June 23, 2006, 12:38:37 AM
A couple of blunders and we give Ghana 2 goals.  The bad clearing attempt was bad enough but the call was even worse.

And the give away was..., well I'm not sure what it was.  But is was "lame" and was on national TV.  Hmmm.  Did anyone see him look up real quick right after he was "taken down?"  Yeah, I know the knee twisted, but still...

Ghana played well and certainly wasn't given the match, but I would have liked to see the US play better.  At least Beasley earned my respect today. 

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 23, 2006, 03:34:08 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on June 22, 2006, 05:14:01 PManother point he brought up was teh lack of diversity on the team. he basically said where are all the asian-americans, mexicans, etc? this country is a melting pot of cultures yet everyone looks the same (other than a couple african-americans). so i guess his point was that the team needs to look like its more than just composed of a bunch of white guys who grew up in white suburbia with soccer moms.

That's just plain silly. Diversity has nothing to do with athletic excellence. In fact, quotas are the bane of a meritocracy, and unless your players are selected by athletic merit your team will be no good.

The NBA is the greatest professional basketball league in the world. It's also three-quarters black, and of the quarter that's white, roughly half are foreign-born. So how is that diverse?

Canada has produced most of the world's great hockey players over the past century. For Canadians, diversity is almost always a matter of language rather than race (unless you live in Toronto, Vancouver, or in proximity to a First Nations Reserve). There were (and are) Francophonic Canadian hockey players and Anglophonic Canadian hockey players ... but the number of non-white Canadian hockey players could probably be counted on one hand. In America, too, the sport is lily-white. So how is that diverse?

Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on June 22, 2006, 06:11:13 PMsure we may be diverse than most other teams, but look at all the good countries, they aren't diverse to begin with and their guys are getting the job done. the white kids from the suburbs aren't.

Your syllogism is faulty, Scottie. The US falters in international soccer, but where is the evidence that it falters because the players are "white kids from the suburbs"?

There's more truth to the Trib article Hoosier Titan cited about the other American sports cutting into the potential national talent pool for soccer. Still, even that has to be weighed in light of the overall demographics of international play. Ghana has 22 million people. The United States has 300 million people. Even if you take into consideration the fact that almost every promising young Ghanian athlete will be kicking around a soccer ball while football, basketball, baseball, and the like are skimming off much of the cream of America's athletic talent pool, you still have a much larger base of potential soccer players in the States than you do in Ghana. Plus, you have all of the advantages that money can provide in the US (camps, specialized coaching, state-of-the-art equipment, fields, and sports medicine, etc.) that Ghana lacks.

I tend to side with those who chalk up the mediocrity of American soccer on the international level to the fact that, as Chuck said, soccer isn't "in the bones" of our compatriots. I don't think that you can overestimate the importance of cultural environment (in terms of a sport's importance, or lack thereof) to an athlete's development. Sure, Lance Armstrong is the world's greatest cyclist, and he's an American rather than a Frenchman or a Spaniard. And Dirk Nowitzki is one of the NBA's premier players, and he hails from the hoops-indifferent nation of Germany. But people like that are the exception. By and large, it seems to me that the vast majority of the best players in any sport will emerge from countries where that sport is an indelible, cradle-to-grave aspect of the national fabric.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 23, 2006, 08:02:42 AM
Quote from: Hiker Jim on June 23, 2006, 12:38:37 AM
At least Beasley earned my respect today. 

Are you kidding me?  He had one good pass the whole game.  And yes, it resulted in a goal, but he was basically invisible the whole tournament.

Just a few words on recent posts.

Where are all the Asian-Americans, Mexican-Americans, etc?  They're playing for Asian countries and for Mexico probably!  All because you're born in the states doesn't mean you have to play for us.  You can have a GRANDPARENT from a different country and play for them!  In all honesty, I'd rather have white suburbon American-born players playing for us than players like Hugo Sanchez, David Regis and Thomas Dooley playing for us.  Obviously this isn't any rip on the African-Americans on our team, but having foreign born players with American passports isn't the answer either.  We resorted to that in the past because we didn't have our own players that were developed enough.

As for our players needing to play in Europe and how bad the MLS is for players...give me break.  If it wasn't for MLS, players like Eddie Lewis, Brad Friedel, Brian McBride, DaMarcus Beasley, Carlo Bocanegra, to name a few, wouldn't even be playing in Europe.  If it weren't for MLS, the US probably wouldn't be qualifying for thier 5th World Cup in a row.  Yes, European leagues improve our players, but they have to PLAY to improve.  I have nothing but admiration for Donovan for making the choice to come back to the US.  He was sitting on the bench in Germany and maybe playing reserve games.  You aren't going to get better doing that.  You know why Tim Howard didn't get a shot at the starting goalie job?  Because he was riding the pine at Manchester United.  Nearly every player on our roster either has played for MLS or is playing for the MLS right now. 

It's amazing that the US gets knocked out in the first round of the World Cup and everyone is throwing the whole team under the bus.  Wynalda even said it was Arena's fault.  Get rid of him?  Yeah, who's better?  Four years ago he was a genius and Beasley, Donovan and whomever were the faces of the US National Team.  You know what?  They still are.  They had a bad tourney and got knocked out playing in the group of death with the Czechs and pereninial power Italy (or group of death 1A, along with the group with Holland, Argentina, S&M and Ivory Coast).

France is on the verge of getting knocked out in the 1st round for the 2nd Cup in a row...this after WINNING IT in 98.  The #2 ranked Czechs are out.  Portugal was knocked out last WC.  Holland failed to even make the 02 WC!  These are teams with tradition.  Though I'm disappointed the US didn't advance, I wasn't surprised they didn't considering who else was in their group.   

Seriously people, I think we're taking this a little too harsh and I think a lot of us, the analysts, and maybe the general public that doesn't watch soccer expected too much (the latter because the "experts" drilled into their head about going to the Quarters last WC and expected us to do just as good). 

There are a lot of countries that haven't even qualified for the WC.  We should be proud that we're one of the best 32 teams in the world.  It took us 50 years to qualify after going in 1940.  Just remember for the 2002 WC that we almost didn't even qualify.  We placed 3rd.

Sorry for the long post.  I guess I'm just a little upset about how some have reacted, putting every play and player under the microscope (...if Bocanegra would've just cleared it...)  I am glad that the WC and the US National team is getting so much publicity! lol.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 23, 2006, 08:50:39 AM

I think everyone was hoping for an American improvement on 2002, which was a totally realistic expectation (especially with Nike pushing it and all).  A World Cup in Europe favors European teams due to familiarity and less travel, just like the Korea/Japan Cup had both Korea and Japan get out of the group stage.

A lot of our problem is the chemistry.  When I read below that they need to have more experience together, my first thought was "they play just as many international friendlies as anyone else," but they don't.  Due to the extremes of travel over the Atlantic, Arean plays almost all of his home friendlies with MLS guys.  We need to schedule games in Europe, against good teams, and bring our best.  It's really the only way to get better.


And Ypsi, if you don't think Freddy Adu is gone to Chelsea the second he turns 18 (and can therefore get a work permit) you're crazy.  He'd be in their youth system right now if they could get him into the country.  With the exposure Champs League is now getting in the US, our young kids are coming up knowing that Europe is the goal and we will see it pay off in the future.  US Soccer just has the competing interest of MLS telling them to promote the domestic league.  In this World Cup, only two countries had all of their players playing in house, Saudi Arabia and Italy (which has one of the best leagues in the world to begin with).  Americans don't like having the best leagues be overseas, but that's how it is and if US Soccer is going to progress, we have to adapt to that.

I sure wish Jon Spector could have made it to the Cup this year.  He and Onyewu are going to be a premier defensive force over the next ten years.  Someone else who watches EPL back me up here.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 23, 2006, 09:03:40 AM


Oh, I did forget to mention that the Beasley to Dempsey goal was unlike anything we've seen in US football for a long time.  Those were talented guys who knew exactly what to do when the opportunity presented itself.  Too bad it came on a turnover; we really need to learn how to create those ourselves.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 23, 2006, 09:18:26 AM
Old School rants; now we're going. If there's nothing else U.S. citizens do well, it's to put teams on a pedestal so we can have the supreme pleasure of knocking them off. Rehash, rehash, rehash is what we do best. And I agree that the 2002 showing gave a lot of people this kind of sneaky hope that the United States was catching onto the game. I think we have caught onto the game, we just don't play it quite as well as everyone else does yet. We're still JV to everyone else's varsity.

I was impressed with Ghana's and Ivory Coast's footwork, the deceptive backpasses while moving forward, the spot on passes (were the passes that great or were the players just that good at moving to the ball? Was anyone standing flat-footed? Did anyone have to study the field before making a pass?). Those kinds of things come from hours and hours and hours and months and years of playing, practicing, pick-up games, league games... That's what we see on the basketball court when gym rats and street ball players get to play. They play the game obsessively. United States isn't obsessed by soccer; attention IS way divided by the menu of other sports out there to get into.

That isn't bad; and I repeat, it's not that bad to be knocked out in the first round (unless you had money on a U.S. win). There's still plenty of great soccer to be played.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 23, 2006, 10:30:14 AM
I have to agree, pretty much, with OS.  It's never a given for the great majority of sides to advance; even the perennial powers have their down years, as OS points out.  The U.S. has made progress and can continue to do so.

The only thing that I found truly disappointing with this year's performance--and this may just be me--was the war of words in the press between the coach and some of the players after the first match.  I just wish those kinds of things could be handled in the locker room.  I am not calling for Arena's head, just wishing it could have been done in private.

So which sides are people supporting now?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 23, 2006, 11:59:21 AM
Ladies and Gentleman........America has taken another step towards becoming a soccer nation.

Less than a few minutes after being eliminated from the World Cup, people want a change in the coach.   Isn't this what the European powers do?

Lots of progress over the last 12 years, the most significant is the thought that being eliminated from the World Cup's toughest group (by far) is now a disappointment.  Expectations are higher and thats a good thing.

Trivia question

What player become the first player (?) is World Cup history to receive two yellow cards and not be sent off........and then receive a third yellow and subsequent Red card after the game is over?

What was that all about?



.......and I'm sorry to see the World Cup is slowly reverting back to old habits........dive, dive, and then dive.  Disgracefull.......FIFA needs to start shelling out Red Cards if even they're bad ones for Diveing.  Maybe then these guys will stop.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 23, 2006, 12:05:49 PM

Josep Simunic got the three yellows courtesy of Graham Poll, who, after the US-Ghana debacle by Markus Merk, would have been the favorite to ref the final.  Now, he's probably out too.

Without Poll and Merk (the two most respected refs in the world) and the forced retirement of Gianluigi Collina (who was the best ref of all time) there will be a new face for the final.  That should be interesting.  (Also interesting, Poll's 4th referee and the 5th, backup ref, were both Americans and will also be done officiating because they failed to intervene when Poll gave he second card, but didn't send Simunic off.)


I'm rooting for the Swiss, to answer Hoosier Titan.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 23, 2006, 12:12:03 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 23, 2006, 08:02:42 AM
There are a lot of countries that haven't even qualified for the WC.  We should be proud that we're one of the best 32 teams in the world.  It took us 50 years to qualify after going in 1940.  Just remember for the 2002 WC that we almost didn't even qualify.  We placed 3rd.

Being analytical by nature, I can't let incorrect assertions of material fact go unchallenged.  The US was in the finals at Brazil 1950, where they won that never-to-be-forgotten 1:0 decision over England at Belo Horizonte.  So when they qualified for Italia '90, the absence was 40 years, not 50.  (There was no 1940 World Cup; the war cancelled the 1942 and 1946 Cups.)  And the USA's result at Korea/Japan 2002 was a quarterfinal loss to Germany, however controversial.  They neither qualified for the semi-finals nor won the third-place game.  (The USA was a semi-finalist in the inaugural World Cup, Uruguay 1930.) 

I don't follow world football nearly as closely as the rest of you seem to; my interest piques every four years, like many Americans.  (I'm sure I'd be a fan of the EPL if it didn't cost me a fortune in cable or satellite fees to do so.)  I paid some attention to how the US was doing in qualifying and in friendlies, and based on that, I predicted that their difficulties in creating any offense would lead to a fourth-place group finish.  So, as these predictions came true, I can't say I am disappointed.  In fact, I think the knockout phase will be more enjoyable now, with relatively impartial coverage.  I found it very tiresome to listen to announcers discussing the USA's last or next match (or, in the case of Marcelo Balboa, whining about the officiating in the last USA match) while a perfectly exciting match between two other teams was going on in front of them.

I'm rooting for Mexico, as far as it goes, but I actually prefer to watch a match where I have no rooting interest.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 23, 2006, 12:22:18 PM

Reyna is out; McBride has hinted he's next and Arena will be gone by 2007.  It looks like the changes we've been calling for are coming and coming quickly.

I'd love to steal Hiddink from the Russians.  He might be the one to take us to the next level in 2010.  I just don't know if USSoccer has enough money to pay him.  He double dippd with PSV and Australia for two years before coming full time at the start of qualifying.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 23, 2006, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 23, 2006, 08:02:42 AM
There are a lot of countries that haven't even qualified for the WC.  We should be proud that we're one of the best 32 teams in the world.  It took us 50 years to qualify after going in 1940.  Just remember for the 2002 WC that we almost didn't even qualify.  We placed 3rd.

Quote from: David Collinge on June 23, 2006, 12:12:03 PM
Being analytical by nature, I can't let incorrect assertions of material fact go unchallenged.  The US was in the finals at Brazil 1950, where they won that never-to-be-forgotten 1:0 decision over England at Belo Horizonte.  So when they qualified for Italia '90, the absence was 40 years, not 50.  (There was no 1940 World Cup; the war cancelled the 1942 and 1946 Cups.)  And the USA's result at Korea/Japan 2002 was a quarterfinal loss to Germany, however controversial.  They neither qualified for the semi-finals nor won the third-place game.  (The USA was a semi-finalist in the inaugural World Cup, Uruguay 1930.) 

No problem Dave.  It was 1940 like you said.  If I would've used my Lakeland College math correctly, going every four years, I would've figured out there wasn't a 1940 WC!  Oh well, what are you gonna do?

Also, read the end of my quoted post a little more carefully.  I said, for the 2002 WC, they almost didn't even QUALIFY, we placed 3rd...this means we placed 3RD IN OUR QUALIFYING GROUP, CONCACAF, I believe behind Costa Rica and Mexico.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 23, 2006, 08:50:39 AM
I think everyone was hoping for an American improvement on 2002, which was a totally realistic expectation (especially with Nike pushing it and all).

Get serious! lol. :-) It was a totally realistic expectation because NIKE pushed it?  Anyway, as compared to the 2002 quarterfinal run, I think it was hopeful we'd get out of the 1st round, especially after the draw was made and we knew who was in our group.  In 2002, we shocked Portugal and made it to the 2nd round.  We were VERY fortunate to get Mexico in the round of 16 because they were a very familiar foe and we've had good recent success against them.  We outplayed an aging Germany team, but as we all know, we lost.  So to say that we were expected to do the same or better, with the Czechs and Italy in our group and then get past Brazil in the 2nd round to make the quarters is wearing red, white and blue tinted glasses.  I love the US team, but I'm also realistic.


Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 23, 2006, 08:50:39 AM
A lot of our problem is the chemistry. When I read below that they need to have more experience together, my first thought was "they play just as many international friendlies as anyone else," but they don't. Due to the extremes of travel over the Atlantic, Arean plays almost all of his home friendlies with MLS guys. We need to schedule games in Europe, against good teams, and bring our best. It's really the only way to get better.

Part of this is a false excuse.  What about our South American counterparts?  How come they are so good then?  Most of the reason why our players may not play together as much as some countries is because our league is not played with the International Calender.  We play our league when most of the world is on break.  That's part of the reason.  Chemistry a problem this WC?  What about last WC?  We had the same circumstances then!  What changed that caused us to lose chemistry in the last 4 years?

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 23, 2006, 08:50:39 AM
And Ypsi, if you don't think Freddy Adu is gone to Chelsea the second he turns 18 (and can therefore get a work permit) you're crazy. He'd be in their youth system right now if they could get him into the country. With the exposure Champs League is now getting in the US, our young kids are coming up knowing that Europe is the goal and we will see it pay off in the future. US Soccer just has the competing interest of MLS telling them to promote the domestic league. In this World Cup, only two countries had all of their players playing in house, Saudi Arabia and Italy (which has one of the best leagues in the world to begin with). Americans don't like having the best leagues be overseas, but that's how it is and if US Soccer is going to progress, we have to adapt to that.

If I'm correct, Freddy Adu doesn't need a work permit to play in Chelsea's youth system.  Actually, I believe the reason why he didn't move overseas is because he and his family wanted to stay in the states and staying in MLS, he knew he'd have the opportunity to play right away.

I also think you are contradicting yourself a little.  How can the MLS compete with top European leagues if we are sending all of our good players there?  Yeah, you said US Soccer just has a competing interest in MLS.  The league has done wonders for US Soccer and it knows without the domestic league, the national team would not be where it's at today.  MLS is considered a stepping stone for many, IMO.  Will it ever become the Italian league or the English league, no.  But neither will the Dutch league, Mexican league or Scottish league. 
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Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 23, 2006, 03:47:38 PM
Words from the L.A. Times today stated that Coach Areana might be calling it over for his career as head US national coach. In doing so, as the paper mentioned, he does have other career deals that he is interested but has still not made up his mind.

In my opinion, even though we could not get it done, this man and his staff woke up US Soccer for the past 8 years in the yes. I don't remember another coach who could have done this. It sure wasn't Bora (i don't even want to spell his last name.

I agree with OLD SCHOOL, the US really needed MLS and a system that would prepair them for big games like the World cup. Like i had mentioned, before its debute in 1997 or so, US soccer really wasn't that good. True their was talent, but the rest of the team couldn't really square it off against really good competition. Unless you went abroad.

In saying so, i hope that more U.S players get their feet wet abroad. I know Keller did and needs to do more of. Donovoan needs to face his fears and return back abroad to become better.  Same goes as well for Beasly.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 23, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 23, 2006, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 23, 2006, 08:50:39 AM
I think everyone was hoping for an American improvement on 2002, which was a totally realistic expectation (especially with Nike pushing it and all).

Get serious! lol. :-) It was a totally realistic expectation because NIKE pushed it?  Anyway, as compared to the 2002 quarterfinal run, I think it was hopeful we'd get out of the 1st round, especially after the draw was made and we knew who was in our group.  In 2002, we shocked Portugal and made it to the 2nd round.  We were VERY fortunate to get Mexico in the round of 16 because they were a very familiar foe and we've had good recent success against them.  We outplayed an aging Germany team, but as we all know, we lost.  So to say that we were expected to do the same or better, with the Czechs and Italy in our group and then get past Brazil in the 2nd round to make the quarters is wearing red, white and blue tinted glasses.  I love the US team, but I'm also realistic.

Typo on my part...I meant unrealistic.

Quote from: Old School on June 23, 2006, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 23, 2006, 08:50:39 AM
A lot of our problem is the chemistry. When I read below that they need to have more experience together, my first thought was "they play just as many international friendlies as anyone else," but they don't. Due to the extremes of travel over the Atlantic, Arean plays almost all of his home friendlies with MLS guys. We need to schedule games in Europe, against good teams, and bring our best. It's really the only way to get better.

Part of this is a false excuse.  What about our South American counterparts?  How come they are so good then?  Most of the reason why our players may not play together as much as some countries is because our league is not played with the International Calender.  We play our league when most of the world is on break.  That's part of the reason.  Chemistry a problem this WC?  What about last WC?  We had the same circumstances then!  What changed that caused us to lose chemistry in the last 4 years?

South Americans field their teams mostly of European players and play many of their freindlies in Europe, which is exactly what we should be doing.  The US plays too many games in CONCACAF and doesn't have the Euro players play together often enough.  Those were my points.

Quote from: Old School on June 23, 2006, 02:36:36 PM
If I'm correct, Freddy Adu doesn't need a work permit to play in Chelsea's youth system.  Actually, I believe the reason why he didn't move overseas is because he and his family wanted to stay in the states and staying in MLS, he knew he'd have the opportunity to play right away.

He does need one and its a complicated process.  Some Americans have done it, but very few.  Freddy, as you stated, could play right away and develop fine until he's 18, so it wasn't a big deal.  It's very tough for a foreign under 18 player to be a proffessional footballer in England.

Quote from: Old School on June 23, 2006, 02:36:36 PM
I also think you are contradicting yourself a little.  How can the MLS compete with top European leagues if we are sending all of our good players there?  Yeah, you said US Soccer just has a competing interest in MLS.  The league has done wonders for US Soccer and it knows without the domestic league, the national team would not be where it's at today.  MLS is considered a stepping stone for many, IMO.  Will it ever become the Italian league or the English league, no.  But neither will the Dutch league, Mexican league or Scottish league.

That was exactly my point.  I hope I didn't say I wanted MLS to compete with the Euro leagues; that's an impossibility.  However, when MLS started, their stated goal was eventually to do just that.  It might happen in 50 years, but I wouldn't put money on it.  The controversy you brought up, is the very controversy that I claimed in plaguing USSoccer, namely that the best thing for the national side is for players to be in Europe, but the best thing for MLS is for players to be here.  It's a problem.  Although if MLS can develop guys until they are 21 or 22 and then send them to Europe (listen up Dempsey and Johnson), it will be a great thing.  I also think we'll start to see lots of aging stars end their careers here, where the earn potential is greater.  I wouldn't doubt Beckham or even Zidane come over for $1 Million per for a season or two after their prime is over in Europe.  Combining young Americans with veteran world-class footballers could make MLS a prime feeder for the national team.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 23, 2006, 04:23:46 PM

You want to know how the US should have played?  Watch the first twenty minutes of the second half of this France-Togo match.

France needed two goals to go on, so they came out and threw caution to the wind until they put two in the back of the net.  Now they just have to sit back on defense for 20 minutes and hope Switerland can hold the lead.
Title: Freddie Adu
Post by: Pistol Pete on June 23, 2006, 06:30:15 PM
The working assumption in this thread is that Adu could play right now in MLS.

I should know this, but I don't: How much has Adu actually been playing lately?

Last season he got very little playing time, at least according to the local sports commentators.  The team coach did not think he was ready.  It became quite a bone of local contention.
Title: Re: Freddie Adu
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2006, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: Pistol Pete on June 23, 2006, 06:30:15 PM
The working assumption in this thread is that Adu could play right now in MLS.

I should know this, but I don't: How much has Adu actually been playing lately?

Last season he got very little playing time, at least according to the local sports commentators.  The team coach did not think he was ready.  It became quite a bone of local contention.

I believe he is a starter this year.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 23, 2006, 08:33:21 PM
Freddy Adu was interviewed on Pardon the Interruption yesterday, and he said his goal is to play in Europe to get prepared to play in the World Cup in 2010.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 24, 2006, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on June 23, 2006, 08:33:21 PM
Freddy Adu was interviewed on Pardon the Interruption yesterday, and he said his goal is to play in Europe to get prepared to play in the World Cup in 2010.

Prepare to play for Ghana or the US in the World Cup in 2010?  ??? :D

Regarding the Swiss's 2nd goal.  ESPN reported that it wasn't offside because it was played off a South Korean defender...which is incorrect.  It was deflected off the defender, not played back by him, thus should've been called offside.  The Swiss player was already in an offside position and both the ref and the South Korean players were at fault:  The ref for not calling it and the players for stopping.    Obviously it was a very important goal as the South Koreans needed just a draw to progress while Togo needed to get a consolation goal to send France packing, which I was hoping for!

Great games this weekend.  This morning we'll see Sweden upset Germany in Munich.  Argentina and Mexico will probably play the most entertaining game this weekend with the South Americans having too much firepower for the CONCACAF representatives. 

Tomorrow, England will sleep through another match against Ecuador with Rooney finally being the difference.  1-nil?  zzzzzzz.
Lastly, Portugal and Holland will have Manchester United teammates Cristiano Ronaldo going up against Ruud van Nisterlooy.  The two players to watch however are Ronaldo and Chelsea forward Arjien Robben.  The Dutch progress to the Quarters.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 24, 2006, 09:49:27 AM
European teams continue to dominate the World Cup, at least at home:

Progressing...

UEFA (14):  10 advancing with both representatives from group B (Eng, Sweden), Group H (Spain, Ukraine) and Group G (France, Switz).  Germany, Holland, Portugal and Italy are the others

CONCACAF (4):  Only Mexico continues on.  T&T, USA and Costa Rica are out.

CONMEBOL (4):  Of Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador and Paraguay, only Paraguay goes home.  Even with only 10 teams in their qualifying group, you think they deserve more?!

CAF (5):  Four 1st timers with only Ghana carrying the flag for Africa.  Togo was horrible.  Angola, Tunisia and Ivory Coast were the others.

AFC (4):  Asia continues to struggle in the Cup with no teams advancing out of the 1st round.  South Korea had the best chance but leaves Germany with Japan, Iran and Saudi Arabia

OFC (1):  Australia gets their first win of the World Cup and also advances for the first time from the Oceania region.  Of course Australia moves to Asian qualifying for the next World Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 24, 2006, 11:07:06 AM
1:08 into Germany/Sweden and Marcelo Balboa has already started making derogatory comments about the refereeing in the tournament.  I wish I had bothered to learn Spanish....
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on June 24, 2006, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 24, 2006, 09:49:27 AM
CONMEBOL (4):  Of Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador and Paraguay, only Paraguay goes home.  Even with only 10 teams in their qualifying group, you think they deserve more?!

The 5th place team in CONMEBOL was Uruguay, which lost in a playoff series to Australia on penalties (each side won 1:0 on home soil.)  Australia has been one of the surprise teams of the Cup, advancing at the expense of Japan and Croatia, and it's not out of the question that the Socceroos could reach the semifinal; they face Italy, and then the Switzerland/Ukraine winner if they beat the Azzurri. 

That's a long-winded way of saying yeah, I think Uruguay would have represented themselves and CONMEBOL well in this tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on June 24, 2006, 11:43:16 AM
Germany looks so good today.  But some of that is a result of Sweden's weird indifference to Germany's attack in the middle.

I'll stand with my pick of Germany to win the cup.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2006, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: Hiker Jim on June 24, 2006, 11:43:16 AM
Germany looks so good today.  But some of that is a result of Sweden's weird indifference to Germany's attack in the middle.

I'll stand with my pick of Germany to win the cup.

Well, Jim, Germany may ultimately be the beneficiary of today's most important officiating error.  Argentina scored the game winner in the 92nd minute of regulation, but it was nullified by the offside flag.  The replays were absolutely clear that there was no offsides, but the result was an extra 30 minutes of wear-and-tear on Argentine bodies.  I had been rooting for Mexico, but my sense of justice required a switch for overtime, and the reward, I guess, was getting to see one of the prettiest goals ever in the 98th minute.

Anyone know why they decided to go with full 30 minute overtime?  I always thought the 'Golden Goal' was far more exciting.

I'm not at all sure that Argentina-Mexico was the best game so far, but, as I anticipated, it was probably the most entertaining.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 24, 2006, 07:48:53 PM
For the American public, the Golden Goal is exciting, but apparently the rest of the world didn't like it.  I also think it's prett cool to "win it" on a spectacular goal or whatever, but I guess the rest of the soccer community wanted a fair chance to tie it with time remaining.

Balboa is really getting on my nerves!

Once again the press has misused terminology.  This time, on Yahoo, they called it a Silver Goal...which, if I'm correct, is a goal that's scored in the first 15 minute extra time.  FIFA tried this experiment after the Golden Goal experiment (or maybe even before).  In the "Silver Goal" situation, the full first 15 minute extra time is played, even if someone scores.  This gives the opposing team an opportunity to score before the first 15 minutes is up.  If they don't, then they don't play the 2nd 15 minutes...

Quote from: David Collinge on June 24, 2006, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 24, 2006, 09:49:27 AM
CONMEBOL (4): Of Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador and Paraguay, only Paraguay goes home. Even with only 10 teams in their qualifying group, you think they deserve more?!

The 5th place team in CONMEBOL was Uruguay, which lost in a playoff series to Australia on penalties (each side won 1:0 on home soil.) Australia has been one of the surprise teams of the Cup, advancing at the expense of Japan and Croatia, and it's not out of the question that the Socceroos could reach the semifinal; they face Italy, and then the Switzerland/Ukraine winner if they beat the Azzurri.

That's a long-winded way of saying yeah, I think Uruguay would have represented themselves and CONMEBOL well in this tournament.

David,

I know all too well that Uruguay didn't win their playoff with Australia.  I got to hear my friend (who lives in the capital of Montevideo) complain about it for quite sometime!  :'(
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 24, 2006, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 24, 2006, 11:27:36 AM
That's a long-winded way of saying yeah, I think Uruguay would have represented themselves and CONMEBOL well in this tournament.

Any Spanish speaker knows this should be referred to as CONMIGOBOL. :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 24, 2006, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 24, 2006, 07:48:53 PM
Once again the press has misused terminology. 

I challenge you to show me the press that Yahoo uses to publish.

Hey, if you're going to pick on misused terminology, please use the term "media" to describe news that isn't published in newspapers, magazines, etc. :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 25, 2006, 12:47:02 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 24, 2006, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 24, 2006, 07:48:53 PM
Once again the press has misused terminology. 

I challenge you to show me the press that Yahoo uses to publish.

Hey, if you're going to pick on misused terminology, please use the term "media" to describe news that isn't published in newspapers, magazines, etc. :)

You got me!  :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2006, 11:54:15 AM
From the BBC site at halftime:  "This is turgid stuff."

This is painful for an England supporter.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 25, 2006, 12:57:52 PM
England hasn't played an exciting game yet in this cup. Ecuador played like they were content to have made it to the round of 16. Let's play this game and go home. Hopefully the Portugal - Holland game will be more entertaining.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2006, 02:04:05 PM
With Argentina-Mexico yesterday I felt it was a shame either team had to go home.  With England-Ecuador today I felt it was a shame either team got to stay!  Idea: let's petition FIFA to replace England with Mexico for the next round! ;)

Beckham has become totally useless on the field, but he is still the most dangerous player in the world on corners and free kicks.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2006, 03:52:15 PM
It's a very good thing for England that they played Ecuador and not Mexico today!  Still, winning ugly is a win.  Beckham's free kick came right after Marcelo Balboa said he should not be on the field...poetic justice.  Ecuador played as though they were going for the tie in the second half--weird.

I came in late on the Netherlands-Portugal game (watched Fernando Alonso win the Canadian Grand Prix) and am still trying to figure out why Ruud van Nistelrooy didn't start.  Portugal just lost Constinha to a deliberate handball.  I like the Netherlands' chances now.

If the lads from Blighty don't pick up their game, the next one will be their last against either of these teams.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 25, 2006, 05:05:40 PM
the netherlands vs. portugal game looked more like a hockey game than a soccer game. talk about players getting testy on the field!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 25, 2006, 05:10:56 PM
Costinha and Deco gone for the next game. And possibly Ronaldo. Wait to see how badly he's injured. Even so, as long as Portugal avoids giving up the set pieces, they should beat England.

The game was one of the ugliest I've seen. The ref lost all control. the Dutch sure made a run at it in the second half. How many times can you hit the bar or have the goalie make great saves before you score.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2006, 05:15:43 PM
As far as the play, Portugal-Netherlands may be the best game yet - a shame that the officiating sank to a new low.  They tied the all-time Cup record for cards, and finished the game 9v9 (if there had been OT, we might have seen the first Cup 3v3 game ;))!

When things get so out of hand, you can usually point to the ref - he totally lost control of the match, despite handing out cards like Halloween candy.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on June 25, 2006, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2006, 05:15:43 PM
As far as the play, Portugal-Netherlands may be the best game yet. . .
True Mr Ypsi.

I hope I can survive. I am leaving for a weeklong workshop and there is no TV, and even if there were, I would be in sessions. I will try to check in here to get updated.  Enjoy the games the next two days.  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2006, 09:50:59 PM
What really struck me about England-Ecuador today was the sloppy fundametals.  Each side must have had a dozen or more unforced turnovers on passes (where neither passer or receiver was being pressured at all) going out of bounds, some on simply horribly off-target passes, some because they were done too hard to a teammate right at the sideline who didn't receive it well.  They also each had at least 6 or 7 unforced turnovers on 'lazy' passes, WAY slower than necessary, which were easily intercepted by defenders.

Most high school matches I attend have fewer unforced turnovers than this!

If England plays anywhere nearly as sloppily as that against Portugal, they are dead meat, even with 2 (or perhaps 3) Portuguese starters out.

Looking ahead, matches I am REALLY looking forward to in the quarters:  Germany-Argentina (which is already set) and Brazil-Spain (which I expect).  I'm guessing that the WC champion is playing in one of those two matches.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 26, 2006, 07:50:20 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 20, 2006, 05:02:42 PM
Can England be any more boring?

Apparently, they can.  Wow.  Aside from the fact that I can name England's entire lineup, and many of their subs...and since I am most familiar with the English national team, aside from the United States, I HAVE NO IDEA WHY I'M CHEERING FOR ENGLAND.  They are just plain boring and not very good.  They can't string together 3 passes if their life depended on it.  The one game they should've started Crouch (against a very short opponent), they don't.  Jamie Carrick as a holding midfielder?  What were they afraid of? 

I have yet to watch the Holland/Portugal game I taped over the weekend...not sure if I want to.

The Italy/Australia game should be very entertaining this morning.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 26, 2006, 09:25:27 AM

I've been rooting for the Swiss all along.  I'm fairly confident they can make the semis, but then its Germany up next and that makes me nervous.  They are certainly playing really well and it may not be just the home crowd.

I also think he Ashley Cole block in the 16th minute is worth mentioning.  That timing was just incredible, after Terry made his first mistake of the tournament, Cole was able to get in and have the shot bounce off his knee and hit the crossbar.  That could have totally changed the match around.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on June 26, 2006, 11:26:06 AM
England is surely an interesting team. They look amazing on paper and you'd think they would be able to creat many chances. I think it's Sven.  He seems totally uninspiring. The English have definitely caught a break with Costinha and Deco suspended. Portugal should be missing Figo with that head butt as well. 

I'm going to be rooting for la seleccion the rest of the way. Im a big Real and la liga fan, and would love to see this side destroy the French team and make a nice little run.  They are loaded up front and in the midfield. 
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 11:52:15 AM
Wow, I'm really surprised that the majority of the comments about yesterday's matches seem to be about how boring England was.  Neither Portugal nor Holland were boring, but that match didn't have much to do with real soccer.  I'm not sure how the referee should have handled it differently--there were cardable offenses in the first half that he let go.  Yes there were too many cards--but can anybody suggest which should not have been called?

This isn't meant as an Apologia for England--I'm as disappointed with the play so far as everybody else (including the England side).  I just want to share a few observations.  This is going to be long, so anyone who doesn't care, feel free to skip.

My husband and I watch as much EPL as possible; I'm a Liverpool supporter and a big Michael Owen fan.  I was gutted when he left for Real Madrid, and disappointed again when he couldn't return to Liverpool, although I understand the finances.

I think most England supporters lay about 80-90% of the blame at the feel of the coach, Sven Goren Eriksson.  He's kowtowed a lot to the big managers about not letting players go for friendlies, so some opportunites for practice together have been lost.  His selected team included only four strikers--Crouch, Owen, Rooney, and Walcott--even though the two obvious stars, Owen and Rooney, were BOTH recovering from broken bones in their feet.  Michael's occured on New Year's Eve, and he played a total of 30 minutes in 2006--thus, he had a lot more time off than Rooney and was clearly not in match condition for the Cup.  Yet, most of the talk in the press was about Rooney, who had only been out since late April.  Now, Michael is gone and three strikers remain.

My husband and I were in England on holiday when Eriksson named Theo Walcott to the team.  There was much surprise--although he's been signed by Arsenal, he has NEVER played in an EPL game.  The fact that we haven't seen him so far is ominous, and at this point one has to assume we won't (English fans are making dark jokes about him pushing the tea trolley, and how clean the players' boots are).  So, that makes two strikers, Crouch and Rooney.

I was not impressed with Peter Crouch at first (along with the Liverpool supporters at Anfield), but most of us have become convinced  that he can make a contribution.  He was impressive and scored a goal in Liverpool's victory over West Ham in the FA cup.  Rooney has shown some good moves, but he's clearly not quite back yet.

The problem with the depleted strike force is that Eriksson was loathe to try any formations other than 4-4-2 in preparations.  In the last friendly or two he tried a 4-5-1, and yesterday we saw 4-1-4-1, but basically the players are learning to play together in these new formations during the World Cup--which really shouldn't happen.  (By the way, the holding midfielder yesterday was Michael Carrick, not "Jamie Carrick."  Jamie Carregher is a defenseman, which probably let to the confusion).

The person I hope to see emerge is Liverpool's captain, Steven Gerrard.  He brought Liverpool back from a 3-0 halftime deficit almost single-handedly last summer, and he tied the FA cup game in the 91st minute in May (he also scored another goal and fed Crouch for the first one).  Somehow the center midfield duo of Gerrard and Lampard doesn't seem to be clicking yet; I'm not enough of a tactician to know what to change, but I know that both are capable of better.

Maybe other teams are in as much disarray as England; I don't know.  It does seem that, given the known injuries to the strikers, Eriksson should have prepared better both in team selection and in game plans.  Many people, including me, are glad he's going.  

That said, something is going to have to improve if England is to go on.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 26, 2006, 12:57:44 PM

Australia just got hosed.  Royally hosed.  This was by far the worst example of refs controlling the outcome in the Cup so far.  He ignored an Italy handball in the box, then went down the other direction and called a PK, blowing the whistle as soon as it went in.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 26, 2006, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 26, 2006, 12:57:44 PM

Australia just got hosed.  Royally hosed.  This was by far the worst example of refs controlling the outcome in the Cup so far.  He ignored an Italy handball in the box, then went down the other direction and called a PK, blowing the whistle as soon as it went in.

The Aussie was simply lying on the ground after an attempted tackle, and the Italian tripped over his body - where exactly is the foul?  (In a way, it was justice - the red card almost certainly should only have been a yellow, and at full strength I'm pretty certain Italy would have won.)

They may as well send the players home - the refs have taken over the Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Tuxguy on June 26, 2006, 04:41:18 PM
Well, you have to admit, this WC will go into the books as one of the most interesting of all time. Never before have so many cards been handed out! The funny thing to me is,A  FIFA big- wig supposedly talked with the head of the refs after the first round or so, and we still end up with 16 yellow and I think 4 red.

Interesting side note.....in the 2002 WC when Italy lost to Korea, the winning goal was made by a young man who played in the Italian league, at least he did until he scored. The president of the club fired him after that goal! ???
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 26, 2006, 04:54:42 PM

Good Lord, no one wants to win this second game.  Swiss and Ukrainians in overtime 0-0.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 26, 2006, 05:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 11:52:15 AM
Wow, I'm really surprised that the majority of the comments about yesterday's matches seem to be about how boring England was.  Neither Portugal nor Holland were boring, but that match didn't have much to do with real soccer.  

I didn't see the Holland/Portugal game.  So I can't comment on that.  I did see the England game though.  Anyway, I find it interesting that some posters have said what a great game that was.  I heard it was a hack fest.

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 11:52:15 AM
(By the way, the holding midfielder yesterday was Michael Carrick, not "Jamie Carrick."  Jamie Carregher is a defenseman, which probably let to the confusion).

Oops.  ;D

Regarding the PK against the Aussies.  What a joke, in injury time.  If I didn't hate Marcelo Balboa before, I really do now.  What a moron.  All tournament he's complaining about players taking dives, penalties that shouldn't have been penalties, players faking injuries, yellow cards that shouldn't be yellow cards...and then when the Italian falls over the Aussie, Balboa raves about how great of a play it was, how well the Italian "sold" the penalty, "oh, it's absolutely perfect, look how he sells it, he just goes over the top of the player, he leans down, he DIVES in and CREATES the penalty"...what a great job.  The player could've easily walked around the Aussie and actually have taken a shot!

WHAT A JOKE by Balboa.  I wish I had his email.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 26, 2006, 05:53:56 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!  Switzerland did not give up a single goal in 390 minutes - and is going home!  After regulation and OT it was still 0-0 (and a REALLY bad game, not a defensive gem); head to PKs.  Ukraine shoots first and Shevchenko (their best player) is stopped - looks bad for them.  But the next 3 Ukrainians all scored, while NONE of the Swiss could score (the keeper guessed right on 2, and the one he guessed wrong, the crossbar 'guessed' for him! ;D) - Ukraine advances 3-0.

In the history of the World Cup, no previous team has ever gone home without conceding a single goal.

But both teams played really poorly - Italy looks like a shoo-in for the semis unless Ukraine can really turn it around.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 26, 2006, 06:05:25 PM
HF,

The Swiss defense obviously would have a chance at winning it all, but eventually you gotta score, too!

OS,

I should have clarified my comment re: Portugal-Holland - when they were playing soccer, they played it VERY well; as Scottie put it, much of the time they were playing hockey! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 26, 2006, 06:13:41 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-----that about sums up my opinion of the Swiss/Ukraine match.   My gosh even the PK's were horrible.   Exactly the kind of game that makes it difficult for any American to embrace the game of soccer.


Caught the England game this weekend and I can sum up England's problems like  this #1)  No strikers although Rooney looked better, but he has no help.  I'll stand by my thoughts that Crouch is the biggest waste of space on the English side.   Owen was injured and truthfully has barely played for two full years now.  Walcott is completely untested I'm sure Sven wishes he had Jermaine DeFoe or Andy Johnson to call on as backup.

#2)  Lampard and Gerrard do not make a great pairing, they each can dominate a game in the midfield but it doesn't seem to happen with both on the field at the same time.  Right now England seems to be looking to Beckham to create plays which means Lampard and Gerrard get fewer chances and don't look their confident selves when the do get chances.

I'm not sure what it will take for England to beat Portugal but it sure looks like they're doomed to repeat their disappointing loss to Portugal in Euro 04.

I also need a lesson in bracketology......England avoids Argentina in the Q's and Semi's but the way they look it won't matter.


So far Spain, Argentina, Germany and Brazil look far better than anyone left.......including the Italians.

Floppa Azzuri
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2006, 07:22:35 PM
Quote from: sac on June 26, 2006, 06:13:41 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-----that about sums up my opinion of the Swiss/Ukraine match.   My gosh even the PK's were horrible.   Exactly the kind of game that makes it difficult for any American to embrace the game of soccer.

Ditto, sac!  It was ugly!  Especially with the lack of the opportunity of the Golden Goal, especially for those of us in the southern latitudes who have come to love overtime hockey in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, IMHO, the absolute best sporting experience in the world!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 26, 2006, 07:35:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2006, 07:22:35 PM
Ditto, sac!  It was ugly!  Especially with the lack of the opportunity of the Golden Goal, especially for those of us in the southern latitudes who have come to love overtime hockey in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, IMHO, the absolute best sporting experience in the world!

I agree...including college hockey.  I think the Stanley Cup playoffs is the best post season. 

Actually, I think the "golden goal" would've hurt this game.  They were playing for penalty kicks...just think how tentative they would've played with the "one mistake and you go home" mentality!

I think there's a little part of Jermaine Defoe that hopes England just tanks.  There is no doubt in my mind that Defoe should've been included in the national team.  What was Sven thinking adding Walcott?  Rooney and Owen coming back from injury and Crouch basically untested. 

Crouch is hit and miss.  Sometimes he just looks horrible, but if England is just going to continue to throw the ball out to Beckham and have him cross it, Crouch is needed.  Does England have any imagination?  It seems like they go backwards more than forward!

The entertaining teams come up next with Spain v France and Brazil/ Ghana.

As I predicted, the Argentina/Mexico game is the most entertaining so far.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 26, 2006, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 26, 2006, 07:35:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2006, 07:22:35 PM
Ditto, sac!  It was ugly!  Especially with the lack of the opportunity of the Golden Goal, especially for those of us in the southern latitudes who have come to love overtime hockey in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, IMHO, the absolute best sporting experience in the world!

I agree...including college hockey.  I think the Stanley Cup playoffs is the best post season. 


Watchign hockey on TV would be about a million times more entertaining to watch if they used a different camera angle, such as the camera angle for tennis, you know, from the end of the court instead of the side of the court.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: sac on June 26, 2006, 06:13:41 PM
#2)  Lampard and Gerrard do not make a great pairing, they each can dominate a game in the midfield but it doesn't seem to happen with both on the field at the same time.  Right now England seems to be looking to Beckham to create plays which means Lampard and Gerrard get fewer chances and don't look their confident selves when the do get chances.


Lampard has taken more shots than anyone else in the tournament--21--and has made zero, while Gerrard has taken about four and made two.  This isn't a slam at Lampard, but Steven has definitely been more productive.

I said the same thing as many others today--the Ukraine-Swiss game is exactly the kind of game that makes Americans think they hate soccer.  And the Italians are definitely leading charmed lives...I'm cheering for whoever they're playing from now on.

If I were coaching England, I'd either put in Crouch or Aaron Lennon with Rooney and go back to 4-4-2.  Lennon is fast and right-footed, which makes him a natural on the right side.  But I'm not...
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2006, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 08:16:15 PM...
And the Italians are definitely leading charmed lives...I'm cheering for whoever they're playing from now on. ...

I wonder if cousin Guido talked to the ref of the Itailian game before the start... :o ??? :-X :D ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 26, 2006, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2006, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 08:16:15 PM...
And the Italians are definitely leading charmed lives...I'm cheering for whoever they're playing from now on. ...

I wonder if cousin Guido talked to the ref of the Itailian game before the start... :o ??? :-X :D ;)

My speculation is that the refs don't get extra pay for overtime, and danged if he was gonna keep running for another 30 minutes for free! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on June 27, 2006, 06:59:46 AM
As for the penalty awarded to the Italians, you have to wonder what the hell the Aussie defender was thinking.  Why did he go down in the box to defend?  I was disgusted by the way the Italians flopped in the US match (Cannavaro  is number one on my list), but the Neill's legs were up, and it looked Grosso honestly tripped. That being said, a tough way to take a loss.

Hooser Titan, I've been a big Gerrard fan since he lead Liverpool to that astounding comeback in Istanbul. I think he is the key in the midfield in terms of supporting the strikers.  Every England supporter I know has been calling for Lennon to replace Becks.  Although he's looked a little shaky (horrible marking on that first Swede goal), how can you take out a player that can make a difference with one kick of the his right foot?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 27, 2006, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 08:16:15 PM
If I were coaching England, I'd either put in Crouch or Aaron Lennon with Rooney and go back to 4-4-2.  Lennon is fast and right-footed, which makes him a natural on the right side.  But I'm not...

You're not fast or right footed?  :P

Quote from: stinger on June 27, 2006, 06:59:46 AM
As for the penalty awarded to the Italians, you have to wonder what the hell the Aussie defender was thinking. Why did he go down in the box to defend? I was disgusted by the way the Italians flopped in the US match (Cannavaro is number one on my list), but the Neill's legs were up, and it looked Grosso honestly tripped.

IMO, I believe the Aussie was going down because he thought the Italian was going to shoot and he was going down to block the potential shot.  I also don't remember Neill's leg or legs being up at all.  The Italian flopped over him. 

***edit:  after just seeing a highlight of the play, the Italian "trips" over the Aussie's BACK.  The defender is basically sitting on the ground.

Quote from: stinger on June 27, 2006, 06:59:46 AM
Every England supporter I know has been calling for Lennon to replace Becks. Although he's looked a little shaky (horrible marking on that first Swede goal), how can you take out a player that can make a difference with one kick of the his right foot?

Because he was puking.  :-[  At least in the last game! lol.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 27, 2006, 07:54:24 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on June 26, 2006, 07:39:29 PM
Watchign hockey on TV would be about a million times more entertaining to watch if they used a different camera angle, such as the camera angle for tennis, you know, from the end of the court instead of the side of the court.

At least Fox got rid of the glowing puck.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 27, 2006, 09:00:47 AM

So my Swiss dream is dead.  They had been playing quality offense the whole tournament until this game, where it just appeared both teams thought they could win in penalties and stopped going forward in about the 70th minute.  Very strange.

I guess I'm hoping the Brazil bandwagon.  I know they always win and they're the favorites, but its just so much more fun to watch them than anyone else.  They'll be playing whoever wins the Germany-Austria game.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 10:39:39 AM
I know who I'm ghana cheer for.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2006, 10:46:23 AM
Quote from: stinger on June 27, 2006, 06:59:46 AM
  Every England supporter I know has been calling for Lennon to replace Becks.  Although he's looked a little shaky (horrible marking on that first Swede goal), how can you take out a player that can make a difference with one kick of the his right foot?

What I wrote was I would go back to 4-4-2 (two strikers), with either Crouch or Lennon as the other striker.  It was more a commentary on Rooney's not being at his best playing alone up top than on Beckham.  I think both Lennon and Joe Cole have the speed and skills to play striker, given that almost everybody else on the field has been shuffled around at least once.  The English press this morning, interestingly, is full of support for Beckham.  I wouldn't start someone in his place (unless he started barfing before the game!) ;)

Hopefully, Gary Neville will be back, and that will settle the defense.  Hopefully.

OS, I am almost as not fast as I am not coach of England, if that makes any sense!  Good one! :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 27, 2006, 11:33:19 AM
Quote from: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 10:39:39 AM
I know who I'm ghana cheer for.

Talk about foul language... man. Ouch!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 27, 2006, 11:38:26 AM
Did anyone else chuckle when ESPN would saw "Swiss Miss" on Sportscenter.  :D

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 08:16:15 PM
Lampard has taken more shots than anyone else in the tournament--21--and has made zero, while Gerrard has taken about four and made two.


Hadn't realized Lampard has been that active, maybe he's due to have a big game.

You allude to Gerrard's productivity, but why only 4 shots......all you've had to see is the Champions League final last year and the FA Cup Final this year to see what a huge influence Gerrard can have on a game, particularly big games.

I guess I'd like to see more shots from Gerrard and fewer crosses from Beckham.



......and Ronaldo's first half goal vs Ghana was a beauty.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 12:07:24 PM
I lose a karma point for punnery? Talk about being PUNished.

Adriano, from my point of view (third floor, TV), was offside from the time the ball started up the field. I admit my bias; refs should admit theirs.

Don't like listening to Balboa? Turn the sound to 0. It's amazing how clear the game comes in.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 27, 2006, 12:13:03 PM
Quote from: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 10:39:39 AM
I know who I'm ghana cheer for.

Brazil?  I almost gave you an "applaud" on that one, but I don't usually bother with karma points, but I thought about it!  ;D

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2006, 10:46:23 AM
The English press this morning, interestingly, is full of support for Beckham.  

It's kind of hard not to when he scores the only goal of the game.  Joe Cole is one of the few bright spots for England.  Is it because he's one of the only players who runs at the defense?  Maybe.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 27, 2006, 09:00:47 AM
I guess I'm hoping the Brazil bandwagon. I know they always win and they're the favorites, but its just so much more fun to watch them than anyone else. They'll be playing whoever wins the Germany-Austria game.

My money is on Germany.  ??? In all seriousness, I think Brazil/Ghana plays Spain/France.

Ghana has had plenty of chances to score.  They could at least be level, if not ahead.  VERY entertaining game.

Quote from: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 12:07:24 PM
Adriano, from my point of view (third floor, TV), was offside from the time the ball started up the field. I admit my bias; refs should admit theirs.

Don't like listening to Balboa? Turn the sound to 0. It's amazing how clear the game comes in.

Not sure who gave you negative karma points, but I thought it was funny.

The ball wasn't played to him.  It was played to the outside, then dribbled in and then played to him.

Yes, Balboa is an idiot, as I've mentioned several times.  I have the volume at zero and I'm pretending to be Balboa and criticizing everything possible, trying to sound like him and repeat myself as much as I can. :o :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 12:25:21 PM
From my point of view, he started off offside and never gave up that pole position. The ball was never ahead of him, the defender was never ahead of him...when the ball WAS played to him, he'd been offside, was offside and scored offside.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Unless I'm completely wrong, and that's always a possibility. I'll have to watch replays until my eyes bleed.

Gho, Ghana! (I'm afraid they'll be ghone after this game...)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 27, 2006, 02:44:10 PM

Foul,


It might have been me giving the negative point there, although I'm hard pressed to figure out why, so you can have it back.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 27, 2006, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 27, 2006, 02:44:10 PM

Foul,


It might have been me giving the negative point there, although I'm hard pressed to figure out why, so you can have it back.

After 18 hours!  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 03:28:41 PM
I made out like a bandit on that interchange. How many of those are pity points, I wonder.

Looks like I have to get off the previous bandwagon (not mentioning any names). I'm jumping to Germany. As I recall, I kinda liked the way they played--in the one game I saw. Wish I could remember who they were playing against.

Could be that my support is the kiss of death; I started out liking the Ivory Coast a lot.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 27, 2006, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 27, 2006, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 27, 2006, 02:44:10 PM

Foul,


It might have been me giving the negative point there, although I'm hard pressed to figure out why, so you can have it back.

After 18 hours!  ;D

You can reverse your karma right away if you want to, the only problem is that they also get a plus one from where they were before.  So really, by giving it back, I gave him two.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 27, 2006, 03:53:48 PM
France-Spain is turning out to be a "barn burner" or whatever more en-vogue euro phrase would fit there more appropriately.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 27, 2006, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2006, 08:16:15 PM...
And the Italians are definitely leading charmed lives...I'm cheering for whoever they're playing from now on. ...

Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2006, 08:47:12 PM
I wonder if cousin Guido talked to the ref of the Itailian game before the start... :o ??? :-X :D ;)

Funny you mention Guido and all that is associated with that.  I've recently invested in Netflix and have been catching up (re-watching) the previous 5 seasons of the Sopranos.  I have forgotten how good, violent, and funny that show is.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 27, 2006, 03:50:57 PM

Foul,


It might have been me giving the negative point there, although I'm hard pressed to figure out why, so you can have it back.

Quote from: Old School on June 27, 2006, 03:19:59 PM
After 18 hours!  ;D

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 27, 2006, 02:44:10 PM
You can reverse your karma right away if you want to, the only problem is that they also get a plus one from where they were before.  So really, by giving it back, I gave him two.

Apparently I only wanted to keep giving negative points to posters, when I actually bothered looking at the karma thing!  I guess you just can't "repeat" actions! lol.  Oh well.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 27, 2006, 03:53:48 PM
France-Spain is turning out to be a "barn burner" or whatever more en-vogue euro phrase would fit there more appropriately.

Ummm...pulsating?  Classico? 

I heard there is a movie coming out, The Extraordinary Story of the New York Cosmos...in selected theatres, which probably doesn't mean She-Vegas.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on June 27, 2006, 04:41:44 PM
Loved the three goals by the Brazilians today.  They are so amazing with their ball handling.  My son is a huge Renaldinho fan (so I had to buy him an offical jersey when I was in Brazil last month).  I think it will be worn out by the time the WC is over.

The "Ghanarians" ;) had some chances that they totally blew, but then their goalie also made a couple of incredible saves (although he had to play all but the first four minutes without his jock after that Reanldo move).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on June 27, 2006, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 03:28:41 PM

Could be that my support is the kiss of death; I started out liking the Ivory Coast a lot.

You have my permission to pull for Italy. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 05:20:19 PM
QuoteYou have my permission to pull for Italy

Would that I could, but I can't. So, I won't. Although it would be easier for me to get behind Italy than Brazil, those opportunistic southerners.

Barn-en flambe'

That was a good game (France-Spain), and I pulled for the French (I've had a soft spot for them ever since someone referred to the French as 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys'), so I must be losing my touch. Germany IS still in this thing, right? Sometimes I think perhaps I've dozed off and reawakened in a different Cup year.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2006, 07:26:45 PM
This may sound crazy since Brazil won 3-0, but Ghana was the better team today (I have no doubt Brazil is generally the better team, and probably has a better chance to go deep than Ghana would, but TODAY Ghana out-Brazilled Brazil).  The final score was totally misleading - let me elaborate:

Ronaldo's goal was a legitimate thing of beauty, resulting from Ghana's only SERIOUS defensive mistake of the match.  Adriano was clearly offside (the replays were absolutely clear about that); moreover, the man who passed it to Adriano had himself been CLEARLY offside.  For the AR to miss two offsides on the same goal is inexcusable.  Therefore the score should have only been 1-0 rather than 2-0 when the other decisive call came along (79th? minute) - the red card (second yellow) to the Ghanaian player for 'diving' in the box.  Unfortunately this was not replayed a half dozen times (like the 2nd goal), so I'm less certain, but I THINK he WAS actually tripped, rather than taking a dive.  Especially if the score was only 1-0, the difference between a red card (thus Ghana playing the rest of the game down a man) and a PK can hardly be overestimated.  Even at 2-1, if at full strength, Ghana is still very much in it.  Even at 2-0, if at full strength, Ghana still has a prayer.  At 2-0 and down a man, the match ended with that call.  (Brazil's third goal was a sweet one, but only served to make the final score highly misleading.)

Also, Ghana had to play the second half without their coach, who was red carded during halftime for (correctly) protesting Adriano's goal.  Since this occurred out of anyone's sight, I can't say whether or not the red card was justified, but I do know that Ghana's coach was right!

France's winning goal was also dubious, IMO.  It came as a direct result of a free kick following a penalty (and yellow card) against Spain.  Again, there alas were no replays, so I'm not absolutely certain, but I'm fairly sure the penalty was called the wrong way.  The French player pushed down the Spaniard, then fell to the ground holding his face.  The ref bought it, but I saw NO contact with the French face and think he took a dive to cover for his own penalty.  IF things played out the same way as, in fact, they did, Zidane's goal would render the result moot.  But of course, if the score had been 1-1 instead of 2-1, things probably would not have played out the same way.

Both games were hugely enjoyable, but would the refs PLEASE give the Cup back to the players?!

BTW, Grahame L. Jones of the L.A.Times had a column today arguing that the Italy-Australia result was a FIFA-directed conspiracy as a payback to Italy for the FIFA-directed conspiracy of South Korea over Italy in 2002 (where they were eager to keep the home team in as long as possible).  I'm not big on conspiracy theories (never have been, and Oliver Stone ended any temptations I may ever have had in that direction!), but he actually lays out at least a semi-compelling case.  (Sorry I can't provide a link; being a troglodyte, I actually read it on paper! ;))
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 27, 2006, 08:14:17 PM
Hello again.  Wooster was hammered by Mother Nature yet again and my power has been off since last Thursday (just turned back on last night).  This marks the 3rd power outage at my home of more than 5 days in the last 3 years and all as a result of Mother Nature! 

Anywho, I have missed a lot of soccer action over the past few days and I am thankful that I can get back to following the action live instead of waiting for the results in the paper the following day!  Glad to see the boys from GB still in it, although I didn't get to see their game (and from what I've read in here, I might be glad I missed it) ::)


Another common theme that seems to be coming up more and more is the poor officiating.  FIFA has got some MAJOR work ahead of them to fix these problems of inconsistent and downright horrible (at times) officiating that has been taking place during this World Cup.  People's focus after matches should be on the run of play, not on the terrible officiating.  It seems every game has at least one and sometimes more than one contreversial call by the official and in many intances these bad calls are basically determining the outcome of games?!  Players should be determining the outcomes, not the referees!

Germany is turning out to be an interesting story.  Many, including their own fans were leaving them dead in the water before the Cup.  They were booed off the field by their own fans at the end of the 1st half in a friendly with the US just before the Cup started.  Of course they went on to thrash the US 4-1, but they had some questionable results in some other friendlies leading up to the Cup.  And if this conspiracy theory that Ypsi is bringing up holds any weight, this can do nothing but help the Germans' cause to go far in this Cup!  Not to mention that they are playing some extremely good football at the moment which doesn't hurt either! ;)

Lastly,

Quote from: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 05:20:19 PM

..and I pulled for the French (I've had a soft spot for them ever since someone referred to the French as 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys')


foul, sorry, but it's the truth and that's exactly why I can never pull for the French! ;D


Oh, and I too hate listening to what Marcelo Balboa has to say as an anylist! ::)

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Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2006, 11:50:27 PM
SF,

I totally agree with you.  I am really sorry to be posting almost more about refs than matches, but the refs really are stealing the Cup.  I think at least half of the round-of-16 games have been altered by officiating.  I was very impressed with how well the ref kept control of the France-Spain match despite NO cards until fairly late, yet the officiating STILL arguably determined the match.

SOMETHING has got to be done!  Unfortunately, I have no idea what.  Switzerland-Ukraine, for example, had only one yellow - but that was an OVERreaction to the 16 yellow, 4 red, of the day before, since there should have been 3-4 yellows (and one borderline red).

I'll give FIFA credit for one innovation - all refs and ARs must speak the same language, so they can work as a team, but that has proved to be obviously insufficient.  I wonder if it is time for instant replay?

With a running clock, that should obviously be used only for game-altering situations, but in such cases the replay official could probably render a verdict before a PK (or even free kick) is even kicked, or before a 'goal-scoring' team has even stopped celebrating.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 28, 2006, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2006, 07:26:45 PM
This may sound crazy since Brazil won 3-0, but Ghana was the better team today (I have no doubt Brazil is generally the better team, and probably has a better chance to go deep than Ghana would, but TODAY Ghana out-Brazilled Brazil).

Yes, Ronaldo was offsides.  No, the player was not tripped in the box; he slipped and when he realized he wasn't going to make the ball, he dove.  That one was obvious. (On a side note: I think they could cut down on all of this card madness if they would buck up and actually give more cards for diving.  If players knew there was a 50-50 chance they would get a card for going down erroneously instead of a 95-5 chance, then they might think twice about doing it).  My point is that Brazil is good enough, we can all agree on that, to have actually played better in the second half if they needed to.  If the calls had gone the other way and it was a closer match in the second half, you would have seen a different Brazil.  All of that being said, Ghana played this game exactly as they needed to.  They came out strong, attacked, peppered Dida with shots and their goalie came up big more times than I can remember.  Quality match, they just weren't the equal of Brazil.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2006, 07:26:45 PM
France's winning goal was also dubious, IMO.  It came as a direct result of a free kick following a penalty (and yellow card) against Spain.  Again, there alas were no replays, so I'm not absolutely certain, but I'm fairly sure the penalty was called the wrong way.  The French player pushed down the Spaniard, then fell to the ground holding his face.  The ref bought it, but I saw NO contact with the French face and think he took a dive to cover for his own penalty.  IF things played out the same way as, in fact, they did, Zidane's goal would render the result moot.  But of course, if the score had been 1-1 instead of 2-1, things probably would not have played out the same way.

When I saw that play live, I thought for sure Puyol had intentionally elbowed Henry in the face, which worried me, because I figured that would be at least a Red Card, which would have really thrown off the tone of the match.  Upon the review, both players were fighting for the ball, both well within the rules.  Puyol did toss an elbow, although probably more as a clear out move (still a foul, but not card worthy) and caught Henry in the chest.  He just did a fantastic job of selling it.  At that speed and at that angle, there was no way the ref would have know different.  I don't think you can fault him for that.  The main person at fault was whichever Spanish defender decided to run away from Viera and leave the tallest man on the field unmarked on the goal line.  Nothing would have come from that if everyone had stayed with their mark.

By the way, Zindane's goal was incredible.  It will probably be his last in international competition and what a way to go out.  I'm pretty confident in saying he's been the best footballer in the history of the sport.  Some argue "what about Pele?" or some other great.  I respond, it's gotta be a midfielder; strikers miss out on such a huge part of the game to be considered the best ever.  Ronaldinho might get there someday, but right now its Zidane's title.  He led his country to its first ever World Cup and defined a generation both in international and club play.  None of his teams were anything when he wasn't on the pitch.  I don't think France has much chance against Brazil; I think this match was a fitting way for him to go out.  Hopefully we'll see him in MLS in a couple of years.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2006, 07:26:45 PM
BTW, Grahame L. Jones of the L.A.Times had a column today arguing that the Italy-Australia result was a FIFA-directed conspiracy as a payback to Italy for the FIFA-directed conspiracy of South Korea over Italy in 2002 (where they were eager to keep the home team in as long as possible).  I'm not big on conspiracy theories (never have been, and Oliver Stone ended any temptations I may ever have had in that direction!), but he actually lays out at least a semi-compelling case.  (Sorry I can't provide a link; being a troglodyte, I actually read it on paper!

I actually read on ESPN where people are saying Silvio Berlusconi bought off the refs to let Italy win the Cup.  The Australia game was so blatant and they tossed one Italian against the Americans so they could be somewhat justified about tossing two Americans.  I'd say its crazy speculation, but with everything going on at Juventus and the fact that Berlusconi is rediculously rich and thinks he's God, it just might be possible.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 28, 2006, 01:13:10 PM
Ypsi

Your're absolutely right. Most of the refs have been horrible throughout the 1st round. The fact that there were more yellow and red cards issued in the first round just lets you know that there are problems here.

In my opinion, Fifa should let teams "challenge the calls" like they do in the NFL. Sure it would make the games a little longer, but this is the worlds stage that we are talking about.

Germany-Agrentina should be a good game.

The Ghaninans really woke up the brazilains until late in the 1st half. My hats off to that team.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 28, 2006, 01:57:33 PM

They are designing a ball that would relay information about location to the refs (ie whether its out of bounds or whether it crossed the goal line).  It was supposed to be ready for this Cup, but didn't make it.

It was also highly controversial.  Much like the hardliners in baseball, most people invovled in football around the world enjoy the human element of the game.  There was very little talk of overall poor officiating in Japan/Korea.  I think we're more in a lull of officiating than that is has truly become worse.  A lot of good refs are getting junked because of the mandatory retirement age of 45.  Pierluigi Collina is probably refing youth soccer in suburban Milan right now, when he should be at the World Cup.  They just need to work on training and helping these guys understand exactly what they are looking for.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 28, 2006, 02:31:28 PM
Hoops--- You're right. Couldn't have said it any better myself about the refs. I just hope that those that are waiting in line for reffing the 2010 cup will learn from these mistakes and don't repeat them.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 28, 2006, 03:55:14 PM

They sent Graham Poll home today.  Which means out of the top five refs from 2002, only one remains: Germany's Markus Merk.  He wasn't assigned to any of the quarterfinal games and he can't ref any of Germany's games.  He didn't have the best showing in the first round either.  I doubt he even sees the field at any point.

Maybe someone really good can emerge from this cup.  We need a new Collina (did you know they even gave away bobble heads of him in Serie A stadiums?)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2006, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 28, 2006, 01:57:33 PM

They are designing a ball that would relay information about location to the refs (ie whether its out of bounds or whether it crossed the goal line).  It was supposed to be ready for this Cup, but didn't make it.

While I would support use of such a ball, it would be irrelevant for all but one of the complaints that have appeared on this board (the likely goal by France vs. S. Korea, where IMO the Korean keeper stopped the ball only after it had totally crossed the line).  All other complaints have involved fouls (or lack thereof), dives (or lack thereof), or offsides (or lack thereof).

Do you have any opinion concerning the feasibility (or desirability) of a replay official?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on June 29, 2006, 08:08:58 AM
Just got home from a 3 day meeting, and just watched the Spain /France game. Oh, Henry, you are now an official member of the infamous flop club.  I lost a ton of respect for him based on that play alone. What a joke.  I love Zizou, but I really hope France flames out Saturday.

Let me ask you guys this, Do you ever see English players go down trying to beg a call?  Hell no. You know when they go down, it's a foul, and if they hold their shin, foot, etc, that there's legitimate pain there.   They play the game right in that aspect.

Tomorrow's Germany, Argentina match should be a beauty. 
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 29, 2006, 08:46:10 AM

Everybody sells legitimate fouls.  Henry's was not a dive, in that it wasn't a foul.  When we complain about the Iberians or the South Americans diving, it's because they go down without being fouled.  Milking a call is part of the game and it always has been.  Milking it to the point where they have to bring the stretcher out, that's underhanded, but often you have to sell the call to get the foul.

Henry got hit in the chest, a legitimate foul, but because of the angle, it wouldn't be called if he stayed on his feet.  He went down, got the foul call, which was the right call (the card was probably overkill, but it didn't affect the outcome, so no harm done) and they solidified their lead.

And the English and even the Americans milk those calls, just like anyone else.  Only they pop back up as soon as the call is made.  You can't say that there's enough pain to legitimize guys wincing and grabbing their legs or ankles.  Think about all the contact in the NBA, where guys never show pain unless its tremendously bad.  It's the same way in soccer.  It might hurt, but those guys would never grab their foot unless they were trying to solidify the foul.

Like I said.  Going down untouched is bush league and the Spaniards are kings.  Staying down too long is also bush, and the Africans put on a good display of that at this cup.

I compare it to the two trips to the mound to give the reliever more time to warm up in baseball.  Using that time is an accepted part of the game, but instructing your catcher to go out after every pitch would be over the top.  Managers used to abuse it themselves until they put the two trips rule in.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 29, 2006, 09:46:14 AM

I guess I missed the question from Ypsi.  I am not in favor of any sort of replay in soccer.  It's not a sport where you have natural stoppages of time (like american "gridiron" football).  You need to keep the game moving as quickly as possible.  I think the best remedy is better trained officials and more cards for diving.  A lot of the poor cards shown in this tournament have come because the refs are letting players get away with diving, so they do it more, making things seem worse and thus producing the cards.  If you have a good, confident official, who is not afraid to stand up to these guys without resorting to cards at every offense, then this wouldn't even be an issue.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 29, 2006, 01:35:24 PM
It's obviously been a little slow on the World Cup stage the last day and today because no games were played.  With the Quarters finally getting on their tomorrow, I hope we can get back to the games!  ;D  No offense to anyone here, but I'm getting tired of reading about the refs! lol.

Anyway, my last point about the USA team.  I'm very disappointed about Bruce and his remarks about the MLS.  Four years ago, it was the MLS-based players that helped us get to the quarters and without the MLS the USA would not have been where it was and we wouldn'thave made the quarters without it.  Now, it's the MLS's fault.  He claimed we should have more players playing in Europe if we're going to have a chance in the future. 

What a joke.  The USA team was a bit disappointing in it's performance in the World Cup.  Many of the players didn't show up as expected (Beasley, IMO, deserves the most criticism).  I think with Arena ripping the MLS, though he didn't actually come out and say "MLS", he's looking for a way out.

The reffing has been pretty bad...but I don't think it's been as bad as published.  The real reason it looks so bad is because refs are handing out yellow cards on regular fouls, no break aways, not injury-intended fouls etc...just fouls that happen.  That's the worst part of it.  Granted, there are yellow cards that are deserved, but not the 200+ we've seen.

Good luck this weekend to the eight remaining teams.  I'm still an England fan, so I'll cheer them on no matter how "boring" they might be! (j/k Hoosier Titan).  Germany looks real good, as does Brazil.

Here are my picks.

Germany over Argentina 3-2
Italy over Ukraine 1-0
England over Portugal 1-1 aet (England wins 3-2 PKs)

Game of the Weekend

Brazil over France 2-2 aet (Brazil win 4-2 PKs)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 29, 2006, 02:48:37 PM
In large part, I agree with OS--time to get back to the games.  Withdrawal is hitting hard! 

It's been fun posting here.  I don't post a lot over on the hoops board because, working at one of the D3 schools, I teach the players and I work with the coaches.  It would be uncomfortable if they knew I was going to be posting, so I wouldn't hear as much good dirt!

I think that any sort of replay would really change the nature of soccer.  I, too, am not sure that the reffing has been as bad as people say.  I really felt for the ref in the Portugal-Holland match--that one was just plain nasty from the start. I don't think any of the cards that were given were not deserved.  So if anyone has ideas for how the ref could have gotten control of the match early, please pass them on to Fifa.

One call that really changed a game was the Italy-Australia penalty kick; the Italian clearly just fell over the Aussie.  But there's always going to be one or two like  that.

About the US--I really hate to see a coach call the players out in public.  Maybe sometimes it's necessary, but it makes me uncomfortable and I don't think it works most of the time.  I don't watch enough MLS to know whether it deserves the knocks it's gotten.  There was a pretty scathing piece about Landon Donovan on the ESPN soccernet page; evidently he has said something about being more "comfortable" playing here than in Europe.  The writer took him to task for wanting to be comfortable ahead of becoming a truly great soccer player.  Maybe those who have watched both a lot of MLS and European/South American soccer could say whether that's fair or not. 

Here's hoping the English make it through.  I still feel they are better than they've shown; the whole has definitely been less than the sum of the parts so far.  Perhaps the return of Gary Neville on defense will settle the side.  OS, I don't blame anyone for calling them "boring," although watching these games waiting for England to score is painful to me, not boring.

I am finding it hard to support either Brazil or France; Brazil because of their frontrunner status, and France because of, first, Henry's dive (yes, he was fouled, but he wasn't hit in the head), and second, his comment from earlier in the year that "Maybe next time I'll learn to dive, but I'm not a woman."  So this is one I'd like to see both teams lose.  I think Brazil will prevail.  Italy's led a charmed (protected?) life, but I don't think Ukraine can knock them out.  I pick Argentina over Germany, narrowly.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 29, 2006, 03:42:56 PM
I'm all for Arena calling out MLS.  I said it before.  The US Soccer Federation cannot survive let alone succeed with two competing forces.  Our best national team will come from our best players playing against the best competition under the most pressure.  That comes in Europe.  Beasley and Donovan might have been the 2002 catalysts, but we got to the quarters on the backs of John O'Brien and Claudio Reyna.  MLS is good for developing our young guys, giving them a solid foundation of play that is above what they would receive in the Euro youth programs (a theory proven by our under-20 success).  MLS just needs to be prepared to send the best players overseas for 8-10 years and then get them back in their middle thirties to tutor the next generation of young guys.  It's the only win-win scenario I see.  Bruce might not be the most tactful or diplomatic guy, but he has the right message.  All that being said, it's probably time to go elsewhere for our next national team coach.  I'd love to see us get Klinsmann, but I doubt Germany lets him go.

Germany over Argentina in a goal-fest (4-3 or something rediculous like that)
Italy over Ukarine (because Berlusconi bought off the refs)
England over Portugal (for no reason other than bias; Portugal is the better team, but being down two starters might be enough to drop them)
Brazil over France (even though I think Zidane has one more miracle in him, even so, Brazil has only lost one world cup match in the last twelve years)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
HT,

Nice find on that Henry quote: "Maybe next time I'll learn to dive, but I'm not a woman."  My question: did he change his mind or his sex? ;)

BTW, re: Donovan - my understanding is that he couldn't get off the bench in Europe.  Surely PLAYING in MLS is better for development (and 'comfort') than riding the pine overseas.

HF,

Much as I would love to see MLS become MAJOR League Soccer, I don't see it happening in my lifetime.  Therefore, I like your scenario - start 'em in MLS, send the best to Europe during their prime, bring back the elder statesmen to tutor the next generation.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 29, 2006, 07:55:49 PM
Obviously England, Italy, Germany, France and Spain are the big leagues. 

In our "area" the Brazilian and Argentine leagues are top, then next are the Mexican leagues.  When it comes to Europe, I think we're on par with the Scottish league.  They have the Old Firm, but after that, it's a huge drop off.  The Dutch league is similar with about 3 real good teams.  The MLS won't become any of the Big 5, but we can compete with the second tier leagues in Europe and in fact, attendence-wise, we do pretty well compared to some of those leagues.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2006, 08:57:42 PM
Re: replay official.  Please note that I limited it to game-changing calls, MOST of which already involve stoppage time.  Things like whether or not a goal is legitimate (which a replay official could determine before the 'goal-scoring' team has even stopped celebrating) or whether or not a PK is legitimate (which could usually be decided before the PK is even taken).  Other foul or offside calls are much iffier.

Other calls - yeah, human error is a part of the game, but some MAJOR errors can (and should?) be corrected.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on June 30, 2006, 12:30:47 AM
Wow did I ever pick a bad time for a vacation!  I haven't been able to catch a live match since Saturday.

I was at a National Park today and meet a German family enjoying our fine country - and the daughter is wearing a Brazil t-shirt!  Upon my challenge, the father simply shrugged and smiled and mentioned something about trevleeing to Brazil once in a while.  Sounds like grounds for a yellow card!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 30, 2006, 01:21:32 AM
Not a green card?

:::rimshot:::
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 30, 2006, 05:48:38 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 29, 2006, 07:55:49 PM
Obviously England, Italy, Germany, France and Spain are the big leagues.

Then, how did Portugese FC Porto win the Champions League in 2004?  :P

The World Cup is the greatest sporting event in the world, y'know, short of Wilkes vs. Scranton...
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on June 30, 2006, 07:25:01 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 29, 2006, 03:42:56 PM
I'm all for Arena calling out MLS.  I said it before.  The US Soccer Federation cannot survive let alone succeed with two competing forces.  Our best national team will come from our best players playing against the best competition under the most pressure.  That comes in Europe. 

I agree with all except for the part about Arena calling out MLS and his players.  All I've heard from Arena is how he blames everyone and everything BUT himself for the US' lack of success in this World Cup.  To me, Arena needs to step up and shoulder some of the blame as well.  After all, he's the one calling the formations and putting his players out of positions that they would be best utilized.  I'm just tired of him doling out criticism and not accepting any responsibility himself. 

I do agree with the fact that the best US players have to be playing in Europe.  I can't remember if it was in here or if I heard it on the radio, but they mentioned a correlation with basketball and why the rest of the world has caught up with the US in basketball.  It's because the best professional league is the NBA and look at how many players from outside the US are now playing in the NBA.  It's the same principle in soccer.  The best pro leagues are in Europe and if we want to even be competitive with the soccer powers, our players have to be playing in their best leagues just like their best basketball players are playing now in the NBA.

And thank goodness we will actually have some games to discuss later today! :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 30, 2006, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on June 30, 2006, 05:48:38 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 29, 2006, 07:55:49 PM
Obviously England, Italy, Germany, France and Spain are the big leagues.

Then, how did Portugese FC Porto win the Champions League in 2004?  :P

The World Cup is the greatest sporting event in the world, y'know, short of Wilkes vs. Scranton...
I am not too sure of Wilkes vs. Scranton, but McMurry vs Hardin-Simmons is not too far behind. ;) ;D :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 30, 2006, 02:00:55 PM

I'm still trying to get my head on right after that match.  Definately the most intense match I've ever seen.  Both sides were absolutely wiped out by the end of OT.  Ballack could barely walk and he was able to put one in (only because the goalie guessed wrong).  Lehmann guessed right on all four penalties he saw and saved two of them.  Incredible.  I know Argentina will be disappointed and they really should have figured a way to get Messi into the game at the end, but that was just an amazing performance all around.  Bravo.  I woudn't argue if someone said those were the two best teams in the competition.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 30, 2006, 02:36:00 PM
WHAT A MATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While I think Brazil (if they ever get it together) may still be the best team, either of these teams would have kicked butt against the Brazil we've seen so far.

Argentina's subbing was a mystery to me (though having to sub the keeper no doubt screwed up the plans).  A question occurred to me when the keeper coundn't continue: if they had already made their 3 subs at that point, are they just screwed (or is there some special provision for an injured keeper)?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 30, 2006, 02:42:53 PM
Absolutely a "super classico" today. Both Argentina and Germany did everything they could to stop one another. What a way to decide the game. Its sucks to see argentina leave. However, The brazilians against germany will now be a huge game. (Of course, in favor of brazil)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 30, 2006, 03:16:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 30, 2006, 02:36:00 PM
WHAT A MATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While I think Brazil (if they ever get it together) may still be the best team, either of these teams would have kicked butt against the Brazil we've seen so far.

Argentina's subbing was a mystery to me (though having to sub the keeper no doubt screwed up the plans).  A question occurred to me when the keeper coundn't continue: if they had already made their 3 subs at that point, are they just screwed (or is there some special provision for an injured keeper)?  Anyone know?

There is no special provision for an injured keeper.  It's a reason why some managers never or rarely use that third sub in a tie match.  I know it was pretty common practice ten or twelve years ago on the international level for both teams to end the game with a sub remaining.  I guess teams aren't as worried about it anymore.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: CRZK on June 30, 2006, 04:46:01 PM
Here you go Browneagle!

Some thoughts.

Bruce Arena and US Play.  Actually, if you look at the roster about 1/2 of the US squad plays or has played overseas.  Reyna, Mathias, and Keller are three of the most notable names.  I do think Arena is right on one point.  The MLS does not have the level of play or the intensity that Europe or South America has.

However, I agree the Arena needs to step up and take responsibility as well.  He either stifled creativity and had a poor player management system or failed to maximize the strengths of his team to fit the competition.

Last on the US players.  Man for man I think you can see that they cannot create on their own, deny the pass, deny the long ball, and what does the US bring to the attack.  The answer this World Cup is obvious--nothing.

Finally, I think some are being too harsh on the ref's.  Here I speak as a licensed USSF ref having done competitions ranging from competitive HS club soccer, HS, and men's and womens college matches.  FIFA has told for the past couple of years to crack down on flagrent fouls, shirt pulling, simulation (new FIFA term for diving), etc.  It stands to reason that one cause of the # of cards is that the ref's THEY PICKED THEMSELVES (FIFA) are trying to live up to FIFA guidelines. 

One way to help out is for the international soccer community to begin to point out and publicize for scrunity some of the more blatent simulations and flagrent fouls that have occured.  Shame and ridicule of the more blatent offenders on the world stage might have some effect in reducing the amount of occurances.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 01:19:26 AM
I almost decided to skip the Italy-Ukraine match, knowing it would be a let-down after Germany-Argentina, but there are so few Cup games left I ended up watching.  While it couldn't match G-A (few if any could), it was a much better match than the 3-0 score might indicate.

Don't get me wrong, Italy was far the better side, but if the Ukraine didn't have bad luck, they would have had no luck at all!  They stunk up the place offensively the first half (graphic said they had ZERO shots, though I think that must have been ON GOAL), but trailed only 1-0; the second half they tested Italy over and over.  One sequence (55th? minute) they had a point-blank shot that Buffon barely blocked, then another point-blank on the rebound which Zambrotta somehow blocked.  About five minutes later Shevchenko(?) had a header off the crossbar. 

Unfortunately for the Ukraine, Toni finally got his first goal of the Cup between those two threats, and his second only a minute or two after the flurry.  At that point the match was obviously decided, but the Ukraine still had 4-5 serious threats to score - obviously they didn't.  After five matches, Italy has still not been scored on (except by an Italian vs. USA ;D)!

Though I expect Germany to prevail, the German-Italian semi should be a good one!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 01:35:08 AM
As for tomorrow (OK, later today ;)):

At full strength, I'd definitely take Portugal over England, but the Portuguese will be missing at least two key players (any word on the injury?).  As it is, I'd rate the match a toss-up, but England seems to have a penchant for winning ugly, so the slight nod goes to the side with a former Spice Girl in their fan contingent.

Brazil HAS to wake up someday (don't they?), so, unless he can find one last ounce of magic, I think it is goodbye Zidane.  (Then again, I thought it would be Brazil-Spain.)  While the Bastille Boys cannot be counted out, I'll go with Mardi Gras.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on July 01, 2006, 11:20:18 AM
I think it is interesting that one half of the bracket (the "Axis" bracket) has devolved into Germany vs. Italy, whereas the other half (the "Allied" bracket) could end up with England vs. France.  (Not terribly likely, I suppose, but it could happen.)

This is what the world should do instead of fighting wars.   ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 01, 2006, 12:00:51 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on July 01, 2006, 11:20:18 AM

This is what the world should do instead of fighting wars.   ;D

But didn't two South American nations fight a war over the outcome of a futbol
match?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 01, 2006, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 30, 2006, 03:16:23 PM
There is no special provision for an injured keeper.  It's a reason why some managers never or rarely use that third sub in a tie match.  I know it was pretty common practice ten or twelve years ago on the international level for both teams to end the game with a sub remaining.  I guess teams aren't as worried about it anymore.

There is talk about adding a fourth substitute but it would be reserved for the goalie. 

Another example of diving:

In the 2nd half (I think) of the Germany/Argentina game, a German player takes a dive just outside the top right hand corner of the box after losing the ball and falling over due to him losing his balance.  It was a clear and obvious dive, but the ref calls the "foul" anyway.  The German player rolls over holding his ankle in pain.  NOT ONE GERMAN TEAMMATE goes over to see if he's ok! lol.  They just all stand around the ball setting up for the free kick.  My friend and I were just laughing, and it was even funnier after watching the replay several times.  What a joke.

Anyway, England and Portugal look like they actually want to win the game.  The most entertaining I've seen England play.

I see Rooney cleaning off the bottom of his cleat as he seems to have part of a Portugal player's groin suck on the bottom of it.  Nice job Rooney.  You're a great player, but your temper has gotten the better of you once again.  I totally agree with the sending off.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on July 01, 2006, 01:51:24 PM
Brutal way to settle a game.

Cruel, cruel fate England.  They were the better team today.



Portugal = Italy, Italy = Portugal......same tactics, dive untill you get an advantage. >:(

England would have been toast in the next round without Owen, Rooney or potentially Beckham.  Lampard gets the big raspberry for England, he did nothing but miss the whole tournament.  Bottom line for England was they had just no threat up front. 

Good tournament still, although these PK games could have used a late goal to settle things.

(Rooney didn't push Ronaldo hard enough)   ;)

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 01, 2006, 02:25:39 PM
Oh man.  Cruel fate is right.  England played better once Rooney was gone (will he ever learn to control his temper?), and they had some chances to end the game without PKs.

If you'd asked me which England player was a sure thing to bury a penalty kick I would have said Steven Gerrard.  And why Frank Lampard, who finished something like 0 for 27 on shots for the Cup games, went first is beyond me.

I'm proud of the way the English played, and from here on out I'm supporting whoever is playing Portugal.  Their diving was ridiculous.

Oh well, the EPL starts in a few weeks, and Eriksson is gone.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on July 01, 2006, 02:32:09 PM
Should we get C. Ronaldo some cheese to go with his whine? With his tremendous talent and skill, he sure spends a tremendous amount of time crying to the refs.

For Rooney, a yellow card for sure, but not red.

Could you imagine the flop fest if Italy and Portugal make it to the final. :o
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 02:58:31 PM
I thought Rooney's red was well justified.  As Alexi Lalas pointed out, soccer players are well aware of where others are (and it is especially easy when you are standing between a player's legs!).  That his cleat came down on the Portuguese player's groin was no accident.

The first 15 minutes of the match were very promising, and OT was great, but the 75 minutes in between left a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 01, 2006, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: sac on July 01, 2006, 01:51:24 PM
(Rooney didn't push Ronaldo hard enough)   ;)

When Man. U. signed Rooney, I wasn't sure what all the fuss was about.  But, after watching him the last two years in the EPL, I've come to realize what a great player he is...though his temper will always overshadow him.  I will wonder if he'll get the same treatment Beckham did when he got sent off against Argentina ('98? too lazy to look), basically the public blaming him for the loss.  Rooney was obviously not himself because of the long layoff, and at this level, it's obviously important to be match fit, among other things.

When Man. U. signed Cristiano Ronaldo (or as Balboa would like to call him, Christian Ronaldo-from what I heard from my friend that watched the game on ESPN), I thought he was pretty awesome.  But, he falls down way to easily and I've come to find him over-rated.  As my fellow soccer friend would say, "All he has is that stupid step over move!"  Anyway, rumor around the campfire is that he wants to play for Real Madrid. By all means, I'll pack your bags for you.

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 01, 2006, 02:25:39 PM
Oh well, the EPL starts in a few weeks, and Eriksson is gone.

I'm looking forward to it as well.  I'm hoping Man. U. can actually challenge the New York Yankees of the EPL (which is kind of ironic since it's Man. U. that has a partnership with the Yankees!)

Two very entertaining games today.  But maybe watching it on Univision made it every more exciting.  I curse ESPN! lol. Henry gets the monkey off his back.  Prior to Chelsea buying the last two EPL titles, I hated Arsenal and Henry.  Not anymore.  :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 05:13:44 PM
While Henry played pretty well, and gets official credit for the goal, I suspect any of US could have scored off that pass from Zidane!  Talk about perfect placement!

I was rooting for Brazil to score in the final minutes.  Not necessarily that I wanted Brazil to win, but I wanted thirty more minutes of that game!  I was unable to see the first half (out trying to pick up my 14 year old who gave me the wrong address on where he was - teenagers >:(), but the second half MAY have been even better than Germany-Argentina.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 05:23:22 PM
BTW, Hoops Fan,

A couple of days ago you argued that Zidane was the greatest player of all time.  I'm not SURE I'd go that far, but after today I ain't gonna argue against you.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2006, 03:27:04 PM
In the 9th minute against South Korea, Henry scored the first French Cup goal since 1998!

(Is France scoring listed as a Sign of the Apocalypse? ???)

Since they are now in the semis, and should be heavy favorites against Portugal, I guess this qualifies as yet more evidence that past performance (including performance in group, as long as you advance) is virtually meaningless once you hit the knock-out rounds!  (Or maybe it is just additional evidence that I'm an idiot! :-[)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 01, 2006, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 05:13:44 PM
While Henry played pretty well, and gets official credit for the goal, I suspect any of US could have scored off that pass from Zidane!  Talk about perfect placement!

I was rooting for Brazil to score in the final minutes.  Not necessarily that I wanted Brazil to win, but I wanted thirty more minutes of that game!  I was unable to see the first half (out trying to pick up my 14 year old who gave me the wrong address on where he was - teenagers >:(), but the second half MAY have been even better than Germany-Argentina.

I understand the sentiment.  When France scored first, I felt assured that in the remaining time we would see some of the finest soccer we would ever see.  I just did not want to see Brazil move forward. :)

As for Rooney, how stupid can one be! ???
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 09:04:30 PM
WT,

If memory serves, the 'soccer war' was Honduras and El Salvador - so Central rather than South America, but point taken!

OS,

I suspect the tabloids will be pretty rough on Rooney, though perhaps not quite as bad as Beckham due to his youth (I believe Becks' red card was the 2000 European Championship - if I'm remembering that right, he would have been 25 to Rooney's 20).  Rooney is wildly talented, but if he doesn't grow up soon in terms of his temper, he may be as likely to join the hooligans as the soccer immortals - stomping an opponent's groin is not likely to win you Mr. Congeniality!  Another couple of incidents like today and I predict that either FIFA will come down like a ton of bricks, or some opponent will 'accidentally' (i.e., deliberately) end his career.

A real shame because he has as much talent as any 20 year old striker I've ever seen (except perhaps Pele at 20 - the films are just not good enough to say).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mr_b on July 01, 2006, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 09:04:30 PM
If memory serves, the 'soccer war' was Honduras and El Salvador - so Central rather than South America, but point taken!

Ypsi,

Good call!  The "Soccer War" occurred in 1969 between Honduras and El Salvador after the second qualifying match for the 1970 World Cup. According to the website http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/sierra/soccer1969.htm, "The actual war had lasted just over four days, but it would take more than a decade to arrive at a final peace settlement."
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mr_b on July 01, 2006, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on July 01, 2006, 02:32:09 PMCould you imagine the flop fest if Italy and Portugal make it to the final. :o

Perhaps the ref could give out yellow cards shaped like Oscar statuettes.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: mr_b on July 01, 2006, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on July 01, 2006, 02:32:09 PMCould you imagine the flop fest if Italy and Portugal make it to the final. :o

Perhaps the ref could give out yellow cards shaped like Oscar statuettes.

A better 'statuette' might be a boot deliberately tripping over a (diving) brick, given the dimensions of the countries! ;D

VERY reminiscent of the Italian deliberately tripping over the back of the Aussie.  (After all, Australia could not all that inaccurately also be shown as a brick, just east-west rather than north-south.)

Based on the complaints of the various posts, am I correct that we unanimously favor a Germany-France final?  Since my elder son's paramour has Portugal as her favorite team, I supported her this round, but all bets are off for the next - I think I have to go with Zidane, ESPECIALLY if he is a 'cheese-eating surrender monkey'! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on July 02, 2006, 12:01:56 AM
Quote from: mr_b on July 01, 2006, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on July 01, 2006, 02:32:09 PMCould you imagine the flop fest if Italy and Portugal make it to the final. :o

Perhaps the ref could give out yellow cards shaped like Oscar statuettes.
I was thinking more along the lines of leave the refs out and bring in Olympic's judges. 5.3 with a degree of difficulty of 2. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 02, 2006, 12:16:05 AM
Quote from: Old School on July 01, 2006, 05:05:21 PM
I will wonder if he'll get the same treatment Beckham did when he got sent off against Argentina ('98? too lazy to look),...

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2006, 09:04:30 PM
OS,

I suspect the tabloids will be pretty rough on Rooney, though perhaps not quite as bad as Beckham due to his youth (I believe Becks' red card was the 2000 European Championship - if I'm remembering that right, he would have been 25 to Rooney's 20). 

Well, he may have gotten one then too, but it was Argentina and Diego Simeone, I remember that vividly, just couldn't remember if it was the 98 Cup or the 02 Cup...we know it wasn't the 94 Cup  ;D (sorry Hoosier Fan! lol...on a side note, I actually have a 1994 World Cup hat with England on it!)

Argentina seized an early 1-0 lead, but Shearer and Owen answered with goals of their own. The Argentinians drew even shortly before intermission. In the opening minutes of the second half, David was leveled from behind by Diego Simeone. Furious at the foul, he lashed out at the Argentinian, kicking at him with his right leg. The referee spotted this infraction and held up a red card. For the first time in his professional career, David was sent off. Down a man the rest of the way, England could muster little offense and ended up losing on penalty kicks.

Though a World Cup title was never expected, English fans were nonetheless enraged. Tabloids ran headlines that read "10 HEROIC LIONS, ONE STUPID BOY" and "WHAT AN IDIOT." David arrived home as public enemy #1.


I, too, will be rooting for Germany v France...but it's basically the lesser of two evils for me.  I'm not a big fan of Germany and I like to root for the underdogs, but unless I'm eating at Fazoli's or the Sopranos, I don't care about the Italians. lol.  as for France, one of my friends once said, "I have no use for the French!"  :P But, I also have no use for the Portugese (with all the diving and "Christian" Ronaldo trying to work his way out of Old Trafford).





Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2006, 01:25:31 AM
You may be right (though I could have sworn it was '00), but, regardless, Rooney better grow up fast.  Stomping on groins is NOT a good route to making friends and influencing others!

No matter his obvious talent, I'd estimate he has no more than a year or two to avoid becoming a pariah - and once the stigma sets in, it is AWFULLY hard to overcome.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 02, 2006, 08:15:21 AM
It was 1998 when Beckham was sent off.  I just saw it last night--there is no comparison between what he did and what Rooney did yesterday.  Beckham took a swipe at a guy's leg while lying on the ground; Rooney tried to stomp on his family jewels from above. 

Becks has resigned as England's captain.  It was certain to happen, but I feel sad for him, as I did when he came out of the match yesterday.  A lot of fairly knowledgable fans in the US seem to think he's over-hyped; I've never seen him that way.  He's a football player who's better looking than most, who happens to be married to a decidely minor popstar.  But he led Man U to major victories in Europe and, of course, on set pieces he was perhaps the best ever. 

The top candidates for the captaincy seem to be Liverpool's Steven Gerrard and Chelsea's John Terry.

I remember seeing Wayne Rooney when he first came up to the EPL to play for Everton.  It was the Everton-Liverpool derby and much was being made of him being the new "Boy Wonder," about to take the title away from Michael Owen.  The excuses that he's "young" are wearing thin.  Eriksson says England "needs" Rooney; I'm looking to see 1) how things go at Man U this season and 2) how the rest of the English supporters accept him.  I have no use for him at this point, regardless of talent.

Yes, our house is supporting Germany and France at this point, .  But there's very little joy in it--we mostly want to see the champion divers gone.  We had to miss Brazil-France, which looked to be a real cracker from the highlights.  It's on Tivo at home.

OS, I wasn't following England in 1994 so I am not offended by your remark--if I was supposed to be!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on July 02, 2006, 09:08:19 AM
If Real Madrid signs C. Ronaldo, I might have to give up all my Merengues jerseys. I've never liked the kid, and the wink solidified my feelings. What a punk.     Hoosier Titan, I too was perplexed about the decision to have Lampard begin the PK session.  I was sure it was going to be Gerrard.

For England, I think it's going to be good to close the door on the Sven era.

Im nowhere near to being a France fan, and Henry is a whiny little beo*ch, but Zidane is king. The man can do no wrong on the pitch.   In the years to come when I miss what Zidane can do, I only have to pull up video of his wonder goal vs Leverkusen in the '02 champions league final.

I can only see one final that will be entertaining, France v. Germany. 
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on July 02, 2006, 09:42:46 AM
And one more thing, any English fan that still doesn't believe in Hargreaves after this World Cup should turn in their card.  I didn't know too much about him, only from watching a few Bundesliga matches on FSC mid-mornings, but man, that guy is a warrior. 

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
This might interest some of you.

It seems the English soccer fans have impacted the German quality of life (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17302491&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=beer-we-go--name_page.html) like nothing else since WW-II. :o :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 02, 2006, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
This might interest some of you.

It seems the English soccer fans have impacted the German quality of life (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17302491&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=beer-we-go--name_page.html) like nothing else since WW-II. :o :D

That's astounding, Ralph. The Brits are even outdrinking Texans ....  :o
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2006, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
This might interest some of you.

It seems the English soccer fans have impacted the German quality of life (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17302491&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=beer-we-go--name_page.html) like nothing else since WW-II. :o :D

It's a good thing for German beer drinkers (i.e., nearly everyone over 4 years old) that presumably most of the Brits have gone home by now. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2006, 12:43:52 AM
Quote from: stinger on July 02, 2006, 09:42:46 AM
... any English fan that still doesn't believe in Hargreaves after this World Cup should turn in their card.  I didn't know too much about him, only from watching a few Bundesliga matches on FSC mid-mornings, but man, that guy is a warrior. 

You're absolutely right--he was Man of the Match for England, no question.

Finally got to see the second half of France-Brazil and I'm glad I did.  Henry might have medieval ideas about women but that goal was a thing of beauty.

I just remembered that there is a third place game in the World Cup final!  If, as I wish, Italy and Portugal meet in that match it could be for the Diving Championship of the World! :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: albinomascot19 on July 03, 2006, 02:57:43 PM
Two big matchups: Italy-Germany, Portugal, France.  Who is going to win it all?   

By the way I heard reports of Coach Bruce Arena being replaced by Juergen Klinsmann for a while now, do any of you see that happening? 
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2006, 04:58:04 PM
There is a very enjoyable article about all the flopping at ESPNsoccernet:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=373195&root=worldcup&cc=5901&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 03, 2006, 05:32:42 PM
On the same website, Wayne Rooney claims no intent and no ill will (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373186&cc=5739) on his red card and row with Cristiano Ronaldo.

Regarding his intent...I find that hard to believe.

Italy v Germany will be a battle.  Italy has come into form and have looked a little better than Germany, especially when it comes to defense.  But, the football gods won't let the hosts lose this one.  Penalties...and everyone will forget about Kahn not in goal.

Portugal and France aren't the two teams I wanted to see, but it now looks like France's destiny.  Barely making it out of their WC qualifying group, getting the two needed goals to go through to the Round of 16 on the last day and now taking down two of favorites in the tourney (Spain, Brazil), I don't see how Zu Zu and Co. will let this one slip. 

Germany v France in the Final.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 03, 2006, 07:28:55 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2006, 04:58:04 PM
There is a very enjoyable article about all the flopping at ESPNsoccernet:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=373195&root=worldcup&cc=5901&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

Thanks Hoosier Titan.  How would be the equitable use of instant replay?  A post-match yellow card for the dubious dive?  Contemporaneous review while the diva is lying on the ground?  The longer the diva is on the ground, the longer the replay crew has to review the film loop!  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2006, 07:47:22 PM
I still advocate a replay official for goals, PKs, and (at least red) cards - in all cases there is sufficient stoppage of play anyway that the replay official would not interrupt the running clock.

If this still seems to have more downside than up to others, the solution in the article that HT linked seems like a good one - a lengthy suspension after the game for those caught CLEARLY cheating on tape.  But that wouldn't prevent miscarriages of justice in the match itself.  I suspect that it would, however, pretty quickly clean up much of the diving - except PERHAPS for the finals of major championships, who is going to risk a major suspension (and attendant humiliation and loss of income) to gain advantage in a single game?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2006, 07:52:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
HT,

Nice find on that Henry quote: "Maybe next time I'll learn to dive, but I'm not a woman."  My question: did he change his mind or his sex? ;)

HT,

The guy who wrote the article you linked to must be a lurker - he used your quote, then stole my line! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2006, 08:09:43 PM
I'll stick my neck out for the semis (though before calling your bookie, you may want to note that I was 1 of 4 for the quarters :-[!):

Germany-Italy: Italy has STILL not yielded a goal to an opponent (only the own goal against USA), but Germany has seemed nearly unstoppable and is the home team (will they get the home calls?) - I'll call it Germany, 2-1.

France-Portugal: Portugal returns Deco and Costinho, but loses Petit (a pretty good trade in fortunes); I don't think France will be missing anyone, will they?  Zidane is suddenly 34-going-on-26, there is as yet no provision for retroactively suspending Henry, and I think Ribery may be due for a break-out: France, 2-0.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: gobombers15 on July 03, 2006, 08:40:00 PM
Semis Predictions:

Germany v. Italy- I'm going to have to disagree with Mr. Ypsi. I don't think Germany would score two goals on Buffon and that Italian defense if they hade 180 minutes to do it. In my opinion, that's the best goalkeeper in the world right now coupled with the best defense. Luca Toni scores one late in the first half and the Italians ride it out like they always do. Final: Italy 1, Germany 0.

Portugal v. France- This game will be far more entertaining than the Germany/Italy game. I think you'll see both teams play a more wide open style. The return of Deco will be a huge lift for the Portuguese but I don't think it's enough. Over/Under on the combined amount of times Figo and Christiano Ronaldo scream at the referee: 12.5. I'm taking over. I think Henry scores in the last 15 minutes and France holds off a game Portuguese side. Final: France 2, Portugal 1.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2006, 09:31:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 03, 2006, 07:28:55 PM
  How would be the equitable use of instant replay?  A post-match yellow card for the dubious dive?  Contemporaneous review while the diva is lying on the ground?  The longer the diva is on the ground, the longer the replay crew has to review the film loop!  ;)

Ralph, were you picking up Henry's implied change of gender with the use of "diva?"   :)  I liked the article because it did use Ypsi's suggestion.  (My final reaction to Henry's remark is that it's unbelievably irrelevant.  If Mia Hamm wanted to take a dive, she'd do it better than he did--but she rarely did).

OS, I too find Rooney's protestations of innocence very hard to believe, especially given his history of anger management problems.  He needs to be on a very short leash if he's going to learn some self-control.

I think Italy's luck (or bribery) will run out, and they'll lose to Germany 1-0.  France looked awesome against Brazil; I think they will take Portugal 2-0.  I like France over Germany in the final.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2006, 09:41:08 PM
After further study, I was going to amend my earlier prediction on Germany-Italy, but I'll respond to gobombers15 instead.

I'm not at all sure that Germany can score two goals against Italy, but aside from their inexplicable match against Costa Rica, the Germans have only given up one goal (and that to Argentina, hardly a disgrace).  New Prediction: Germany 1, Italy 0.  (Though either 0-0 or 1-1 would not surprise me, and I have no clue who has the advantage on PKs.)

Raise your hand if you think the US will make an all-out effort for Klinsmann.

Though personally, I'd prefer they go after Hiddink.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on July 04, 2006, 10:23:42 AM
Id love them to get Hiddink. Don't know how long his deal with the Russians is.

I like the Germans 2-1 over Italy. I never would have thought the Italians could score 3 goals in a game as they did against Ukraine. But I guess I was forgetting their 4-1 thrashing of Germany back in March. That was a low point for Klinsmann, and he's obviously turned them around. I think the Germans will have revenge on their minds.

Lippi's remarks on the German side: http://kaedrin.com/fun/wav/germans.wav
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 04, 2006, 05:49:06 PM
Good grief, what a finish!!!

Italy scored 2 (TWO!) goals in the last 2 minutes of OT to win 2-0!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on July 04, 2006, 06:06:30 PM
WOW! What a hard fought game by both sides. The winning goal was a thing of beauty. I can leave on vacation now, the U.S. and Germany are both done.  :'(
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 04, 2006, 07:17:36 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on July 04, 2006, 06:06:30 PM
WOW! What a hard fought game by both sides. The winning goal was a thing of beauty. I can leave on vacation now, the U.S. and Germany are both done.  :'(

Agreed about the winning goal - it may even be THE goal of the Cup so far (certainly in the top 5).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: gobombers15 on July 04, 2006, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 04, 2006, 07:17:36 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on July 04, 2006, 06:06:30 PM
WOW! What a hard fought game by both sides. The winning goal was a thing of beauty. I can leave on vacation now, the U.S. and Germany are both done.  :'(

Agreed about the winning goal - it may even be THE goal of the Cup so far (certainly in the top 5).

If the importance of the goal factors in, it would certainly be right there. However, for my money, Argentina's OT winner against Mexico was the best. Full volley off the chest, bad angle, bent into the top corner. Unreal.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 04, 2006, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on July 04, 2006, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 04, 2006, 07:17:36 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on July 04, 2006, 06:06:30 PM
WOW! What a hard fought game by both sides. The winning goal was a thing of beauty. I can leave on vacation now, the U.S. and Germany are both done.  :'(

Agreed about the winning goal - it may even be THE goal of the Cup so far (certainly in the top 5).

If the importance of the goal factors in, it would certainly be right there. However, for my money, Argentina's OT winner against Mexico was the best. Full volley off the chest, bad angle, bent into the top corner. Unreal.

Not sure how I forgot about the Argentine OT goal (since I posted at the time that it was one of the prettiest goals I had ever seen)!  Other possible contenders for top 5 goals of the Cup would include Beckham's free kick goal against Ecuador (though that may merit a different category since, of course, no one was defensing him) and the Beasley to Dempsey goal against Ghana.  I'd also submit Henry's goal to beat Brazil - not for the goal itself (I think many of US could have scored the goal!), but for the unbelievably perfect pass from Zidane which made the goal so easy.

Other nominees?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 04, 2006, 10:45:51 PM
As I agree that Argentina's goal in extra time against Mexico was a great goal, I don't understand why everyone passes over Joe Cole's goal against Sweden(?) in England's game.

I had not seen the Argentina's goal live and actually took me awhile to see the goal...and how awesome, unbelievable etc it was.  But, in my view, Joe Cole's goal was basically the same. Chesting it down and volleying to the far post. 

Did no one see that goal???  I don't think the Argentina's goal was that much better...except for the cicumstances. 

Great game today.  I went and watched the Brewers beat the Reds at Miller Park and I taped the game.  We ate out at Applebee's afterwards and had to find a table away from a TV to avoid seeing any scores (ticker, high lights etc).  My friend and I got home and watched it immediately without watching any other TV or going on the internet!  Glad I did because I would've thought for sure the game was going to PKs.  Thank goodness it didn't.  Two well taken goals and I think Italy deserved it.  They hit a post and a crossbar in the first 15 minute extra time period and just looked more dangerous.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 04, 2006, 11:44:34 PM
OS,

I didn't see that goal (when the matches were two-a-day, everyday, I passed on several games - gotta pretend to still have a life!) - if it was anywhere near the Argentine goal, it probably deserves a top 5 ranking.  (I'll move Beckham's free kick to a special category to make room. ;D)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2006, 12:11:57 AM
At some point in the second half, the Italians more or less stopped diving, and they played better as a result.  By the time they scored the winning goal, I really couldn't fault them.  They deserved it.

In a poll on bbc.co.uk, 58% of the respondents said that today's was the game of the Cup.  I enjoyed Argentina-Mexico more, but it was a good game.

I like the goals people have mentioned, and, in addition, Gerrard's second goal (the second against Sweden) and the Zidane to Henry goal against Brazil.   Ypsi, you might have made that goal (I am not claiming I could), but I don't think any of us could have made it look as pretty as that!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2006, 12:26:39 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2006, 12:11:57 AM
I like the goals people have mentioned, and, in addition, Gerrard's second goal (the second against Sweden) and the Zidane to Henry goal against Brazil.   Ypsi, you might have made that goal (I am not claiming I could), but I don't think any of us could have made it look as pretty as that!

Henry probably does deserve credit for BEING that open (not sure whether it was his credit or Brazil's fault), but I figure I could have done as well - who's gonna bother to check the 57-year-old fat guy (especially with a cigarette dangling from his lips and a beer in his hand)??!! ;D  And no, mine wouldn't have been as pretty as Henry's, but a goal is a goal.

I just wanted to make sure the REAL credit went to Zidane for that goal.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 05, 2006, 12:37:16 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2006, 12:26:39 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2006, 12:11:57 AM
I like the goals people have mentioned, and, in addition, Gerrard's second goal (the second against Sweden) and the Zidane to Henry goal against Brazil.   Ypsi, you might have made that goal (I am not claiming I could), but I don't think any of us could have made it look as pretty as that!

Henry probably does deserve credit for BEING that open (not sure whether it was his credit or Brazil's fault), but I figure I could have done as well - who's gonna bother to check the 57-year-old fat guy (especially with a cigarette dangling from his lips and a beer in his hand)??!! ;D

I just wanted to make sure the REAL credit went to Zidane for that goal.

I agree with the comment about Zidane.  I am usually more impressed with the pass than the goal.

I usually list my favorite goals by:

1)  the pass/assist or the play that made the goal possible.
2)  the hustling effort that allows the hard-working player to take advantage of the rebound or the miscue by the defender/goalkeeper.
3)  the breakaway.
4)  the set plays.
5)  the penalty kicks.

I think that I am rooting for Zidane and Ribery.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on July 05, 2006, 01:17:21 AM
I finally got to watch an entire match today and wow, was it a great one.  As Hoos Titan mentioned, once the Italians stopped the drama, their play picked up.  They were the better team today.  Fabio Grosso has one of the best goals of the tourney - absolutely perfect.  Lehmann had no chance on the play.

France wins 3-1 tomorrow.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 05, 2006, 08:57:32 AM

Who would have thought after all of this, we'd all be rooting for France?  I think at this point even those "Freedom Fries" people are on board.

Portugal and Italy?  Imagine if this is the final?  Undoubtedly the two least honorable footballing nations going head to head for the biggest prize in sport.  This would be awful.  Although my unfounded rumor about Silvio Berlusconi buying off the refs in Italy's favor is looking pretty credible at this point.

Go Team Z!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2006, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2006, 12:26:39 AM

Henry probably does deserve credit for BEING that open (not sure whether it was his credit or Brazil's fault), but I figure I could have done as well - who's gonna bother to check the 57-year-old fat guy (especially with a cigarette dangling from his lips and a beer in his hand)??!! ;D  And no, mine wouldn't have been as pretty as Henry's, but a goal is a goal.

I just wanted to make sure the REAL credit went to Zidane for that goal.

Great image!  That sight could replace the old "Wide World of Sports" opening..."The Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat" on the same play! :D

I'm not sure how it happened, but I was only vaguely aware of Zidane before this World Cup.  I'm really glad I have gotten to see him playing so well.

The ESPN World Cup site continues to have great opinion pieces.  There's one today about the Brazil-France game which concludes that the Beautiful Game was in evidence...but it was being played by France.  And another analyzes what changes new England head Steve McClaren must make to overhall that side.

I'm in physical therapy for a rotator cuff repair a month ago and I've cancelled my appointment to watch the match this afternoon--go France! Here's hoping the official is as good as the Mexican guy yesterday--France has SIX players who could be ineligible for the final should they get another yellow.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 05, 2006, 12:39:12 PM
The cross from Zidane was special.  Sometimes the pass is better than the goal, but I think they were at least equal on this ocassion.  Not only was Henry in the right place at the right time, he had to finish it as well.  Remember the pace on the ball, the spin and striking the ball mid-air, and also getting it past the goalie.  Professionals sure make it look easy...and sometimes they make a total hash of it as well.  There have been plenty of goal opportunities I've seen this World Cup where I've asked myself, "How they heck did you miss that?!"  So, I'll stop short of saying, "That Henry goal, anyone could've done that!"  :D

As for Brazil's lack of defense.  I remember watching a replay of the goal, and they showed the angle from the other end.  The thing I remember very well is that there were FOUR Brazilian players bsaically standing in a line between the 18 and 12 yard line watching the ball and Henry running past them and then scoring.  Even at this level, players "forget" to play defense...or are too lazy to.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: gobombers15 on July 05, 2006, 03:58:58 PM
Quote from: Old School on July 05, 2006, 12:39:12 PM

As for Brazil's lack of defense.  I remember watching a replay of the goal, and they showed the angle from the other end.  The thing I remember very well is that there were FOUR Brazilian players bsaically standing in a line between the 18 and 12 yard line watching the ball and Henry running past them and then scoring.  Even at this level, players "forget" to play defense...or are too lazy to.

I don't think Brazil "forgot" to play defense or were too lazy. I read an article somewhere that it was a simple miscommunication. Half the defenders thought they were pulling an offsides trap and the other half thought they were marking all the way to goal. Coming from a former defender, that's the worst thing that can happen to you on free kicks. I can promise you that it was not Brazil's plan to leave Henry open at the back post off of a free kick. It was a fatal error.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 05, 2006, 05:00:10 PM

In terms of the Henry goal, the most likely cause was the fact that Roberto Carlos, while often deadly on free kicks, has never been a top-notched defender, even less so now that he is aging.  They just should have had someone else on Henry.



That being said, France - Italy on Sunday; I bet someone is making a killing off the bookmakers.  I'm rooting for France and the odds of that happening before the Cup started were a lot worse.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2006, 07:13:21 PM
Well, France did hang on for the win, so maybe the coach was right afterall, but I really didn't like that they TOTALLY abandoned offense for the last thirty minutes.  Most of the time they didn't even play 'keep-away' - they just did deep clearing kicks then waited for the next onslaught.  Portugal must have had possession for about 85% of the last thirty minutes!  When you let a good team attack you THAT many times, odds are they are going to score (there must have been AT LEAST 7 or 8 times where their lead probably should have disappeared).

Oh well, they're in the final (and I'm not ;)), so I guess it worked!

When I heard who the ref was, I thought Italy had hit the jackpot a second time (it was the guy from USA-Italy - never did I think he would work past group!).  I feared that whoever made the finals would probably be down several players, but the ref mostly held off on the cards.  France will be missing a sub (Saha), while Portugal will be missing key defender (and captain?) Carvalho.  But at least it wasn't the carnage of USA-Italy!  If he had given a yellow to either Zidane or Figo (both of whom already had one in knockout), I would have put out the 'hit' myself (unless it was CLEARLY deserved) - what a way that would have been to end glorious careers!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on July 05, 2006, 10:03:15 PM
I had hoped to see France play Germany, but I guess not. Makes it easier for me to pick a favorite in the finals: France for me.

Kiss of death... :-\

I hope it doesn't come down to the last two minutes of a 30-minute overtime. Well, actually, that would be OK.

I think that mini-game they call overtime is a killer. Especially in devilish heat, playing two hours of soccer at full bore must pull everything out of a player. Not even fumes to run on at that point.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2006, 11:27:24 PM
It has always seemed unfair to me that one pair of teams gets an extra day of recuperation before the final games than the others (anyone have any stats on winning % with the extra day?), but this year it should balance out: Germany and Italy have an extra day over Portugal and France, but they played OT, while the others didn't.

I would be SO pleased if Zidane scored (or assisted) on a goal or two and went out a winner (and I predict he will). 

I'm conflicted on the other game (remember that my likely daughter-in-law is a Portugal fan!) - to have Figo also score (or assist) and go out a winner would be great, but they ARE the ultimate floppers and whiners (Ronaldo probably should have gotten at least two yellows for diving today).  And Lehmann is 36 (even keepers do eventually wear out!) and also deserves a victory.  I think I'll just enjoy that game without a preference or a prediction.
Title: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Jim Matson on July 06, 2006, 12:15:53 AM
Pick the winner, the score and the same for the 3rd place game.

Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: David Collinge on July 06, 2006, 12:29:37 AM
3rd Place Game:  Germany 3, Portugal 1
Final: Italy 2, France 0
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 06, 2006, 12:37:48 AM
Germany 2, Portugal 1
France 2, Italy 1 (OT?)
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 06, 2006, 09:04:46 AM
Isn't this a little late in forming?

Germany 3, Portugal 1.

Italy over France on a cheeky call from the ref (having been previously paid off by Silvio Berlusconi) 2-1.  Somehow I feel at least one PK will be involved.

If the officiating is fair, I say France 2-1.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 06, 2006, 10:51:20 AM
I can't see why Portugal insists upon flopping and whining.  Like the Italians, they have enough talent to win playing straight up, but unlike the Italians, they never gave up the crying game.

It will be interesting to see what Cristiano Ronaldo's return to Man U. is like (he's the one who asked the ref for the red card on Rooney and winked at the bench afterward).  Not that Rooney didn't deserve the red card--but I doubt there will be much love for C. Ronaldo at Old Trafford. 

I am still pulling for France; I hope they are more attack-minded for the entire game on Sunday, as I think they will need to be against Buffon.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on July 06, 2006, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: Old School on July 05, 2006, 12:39:12 PM
Professionals sure make it look easy...and sometimes they make a total hash of it as well.  There have been plenty of goal opportunities I've seen this World Cup where I've asked myself, "How they heck did you miss that?!"  So, I'll stop short of saying, "That Henry goal, anyone could've done that!"  :D

OS,  you are so correct.  Henry made that goal look easy as he is supposed to do.  But he could have just as easily shanked it like Figo did with his wide open header that would have tied the yesterday's game. ::) Even the great ones have trouble finishing.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Flea on July 06, 2006, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 06, 2006, 10:51:20 AM

It will be interesting to see what Cristiano Ronaldo's return to Man U. is like (he's the one who asked the ref for the red card on Rooney and winked at the bench afterward).  Not that Rooney didn't deserve the red card--but I doubt there will be much love for C. Ronaldo at Old Trafford. 


Don't you think a huge majority of the fans realize the players need to do what they can to win in the Cup . . . and that their actions would not carry over to the professional leagues?
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Flea on July 06, 2006, 11:18:30 AM
3rd . . . Portugal 1 -- Germany 0

final . . . Italy 2 -- France 1
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Oval on July 06, 2006, 11:30:48 AM
final - Italy over France in penalty kicks (1-1 at the end of overtime, 2-4)
3rd place goes to Germany 2 (Portugal 1)
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: hawk'ster on July 06, 2006, 11:44:02 AM
third . . . Portugal (penalty kicks)
final . . . France (3-1)
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Preto on July 06, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
final: Italy 3, France 2
3rd:  Germany 1, Portugal 0
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 06, 2006, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: Flea on July 06, 2006, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 06, 2006, 10:51:20 AM

It will be interesting to see what Cristiano Ronaldo's return to Man U. is like (he's the one who asked the ref for the red card on Rooney and winked at the bench afterward).  Not that Rooney didn't deserve the red card--but I doubt there will be much love for C. Ronaldo at Old Trafford. 


Don't you think a huge majority of the fans realize the players need to do what they can to win in the Cup . . . and that their actions would not carry over to the professional leagues?

I think the fact that CRon was booed by the impartial Germans at the France-Portugal match might be telling.  Every true football fan I know has remarked at how arrogant and whinny he is, especially for only being 21 years old.  He's already asked for a move to Spain.  That would probably be best; I think he sealed his fate in England with that one move.
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 06, 2006, 12:10:35 PM

There's no way that final is high scoring unless there are three red cards given out.  Italy hasn't allowed a goal (outside of the one they put in against themselves vs the US) the whole tournament and France plays with essentially six defensemen in their standard line-up.
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Cowman on July 06, 2006, 12:25:12 PM
Italy 1 .... France 0
Germany  ... Portugal 1
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 06, 2006, 12:27:43 PM
THIRD Portugal 2 over Germany 1

FINAL Italy 1 over France 0
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Bushop on July 06, 2006, 12:37:30 PM
final - Italy 1-nill
3rd - Germany 2-nill
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Harrier on July 06, 2006, 04:39:35 PM
Portugal 2 / Germany 1
Italy 2 / France 0

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 06, 2006, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 06, 2006, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: Flea on July 06, 2006, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 06, 2006, 10:51:20 AM

It will be interesting to see what Cristiano Ronaldo's return to Man U. is like (he's the one who asked the ref for the red card on Rooney and winked at the bench afterward).  Not that Rooney didn't deserve the red card--but I doubt there will be much love for C. Ronaldo at Old Trafford. 


Don't you think a huge majority of the fans realize the players need to do what they can to win in the Cup . . . and that their actions would not carry over to the professional leagues?

I think the fact that CRon was booed by the impartial Germans at the France-Portugal match might be telling.  Every true football fan I know has remarked at how arrogant and whinny he is, especially for only being 21 years old.  He's already asked for a move to Spain.  That would probably be best; I think he sealed his fate in England with that one move.

I think that HF has nailed it.  There was way too much whistling and booing last night to have been due just to whatever English supporters might have stayed in Germany.  And I don't think most true football fans would call his begging the ref for a card and then winking about it necessary to win the game.  Hitting the penalty shot, yes. 

Perhaps of interest--an article on ESPNsoccernet quoting Franz Beckenbauer, former coach of West Germany in 1974, on diving in the game.  http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373449&cc=5901  A brief quote:  'None of us in the game wants these incidents. The players are seeking to gain an unfair advantage and attempt to exploit every situation.  The referees are there to correct this kind of misconduct, but the players do not make it easy for the referees.  If I was a referee I would also show the yellow card to any player who signalled to the ref with an imaginary card to get an opponent booked. That is also cheating.'  Evidently FIFA and UEFA are planning a conference of coaches, referees, and players' representatives in September and diving is on the agenda.

I am quite sure that the "huge majority" of Man U. supporters will want nothing more to do with C. Ronaldo, and I think moving to Spain would be the best thing he could do.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 06, 2006, 05:04:21 PM

Yeah.  Basically the diving is what is pushing me to root for the French this weekend (something I would never do under normal circumstances).

As far as the games I saw this World Cup, there were three nations (and obviously every nation has there share of faults in this area) that stood out as having a diving problem.

1. Spain (although they shaped up a bit in the knock-outs, their diving bouts in the group stage matches were just utterly inexcusable).

2. Portugal (we've talked at length about the whinning and diving).

3. Italy (although their overall high level of play otherwise has proven then to be worthy of a high ranking--I am still a bit suspiscious of this Berlusconi rumor).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Flea on July 06, 2006, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 06, 2006, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 06, 2006, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: Flea on July 06, 2006, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 06, 2006, 10:51:20 AM

It will be interesting to see what Cristiano Ronaldo's return to Man U. is like (he's the one who asked the ref for the red card on Rooney and winked at the bench afterward).  Not that Rooney didn't deserve the red card--but I doubt there will be much love for C. Ronaldo at Old Trafford. 


Don't you think a huge majority of the fans realize the players need to do what they can to win in the Cup . . . and that their actions would not carry over to the professional leagues?

I think the fact that CRon was booed by the impartial Germans at the France-Portugal match might be telling. 

Good . . . I'm glad my assumption was off.  It seems like so many players play up the drama for ref that the fans would have to overlook it, even in the extreme.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 06, 2006, 05:48:14 PM
Of course, to a large degree perception is shaped by who you're rooting for.  That 'widely admired' ;) announcer Marcelo Balboa will whine incessantly about the diving, then a minute later proclaim 'man, he really sold that penalty - great job'!

I'd definitely like to see more cards for diving, but often the ref IS fooled.  They should also give out suspensions after-the-fact for clear-cut cases of diving caught on film.  And I still contend that a replay official could be used for game-altering calls: goals, PKs, and (at least red) cards - in each case play is stopped long enough anyway that the replay need not interrupt the flow of the game.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 06, 2006, 07:09:44 PM
While Henry probably had the single most blatant dive of the Cup (acting like he was Brian McBride, except McBride had the blood to prove it!), my nominee for worst diver would be C Ronaldo.  Unless his own team and coach have not caught on, I can't believe the protest they made on the (correct) no call for a PK a few minutes after Zidane made the winning PK!  Rather than a PK, I'd say it should have been a yellow on Ronaldo for a blatant dive (in the box).  A fabulous talent, but I swear that guy could take maturity lessons from Rooney (though a slightly more evolved role-model might be even better ;))!

Figo probably should have been suspended for his (unnoticed by the ref) head butt (against England?), and could easily have been carded for a blatant dive against France, but I'm kinda glad neither happened since Saturday is his last day of a glorious career anyway.

Other nominees for the "All-Diving Team"?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 06, 2006, 07:24:49 PM
I love Manchester United.  I love the players that play for Manchester United, but even with that said, I hate whiners and divers...even if it gets us the win.

Two years ago Arsenal came into Old Trafford on some 50-game unbeaten streak and Rooney took a dive in the box, got a penalty kick and R.v.N scored to give them a 1-0 lead.  Rooney followed that up with a goal at the end to seal the victory.  Though Rooney's dive got us the win, I still cursed him for diving. 

Ronaldo's first year at Old Trafford was marred by constant diving every time he was touched.  I think that really hurts him, not only in the eyes of the fans, but to the opponents and refs.  Sometimes Ronaldo would actually get fouled pretty hard, but since the ref was so used to Ronaldo diving, he just let the game continue.  That's where the reputation of diving really hurts. 

Bobby McMahon, over on FSC commented that Ronaldo's tendency to dive finally took a back seat this past year in the EPL, but it has resurfaced it's ugly face in the World Cup and that's too bad.  I think it's telling when, not only the English supporters whistle and boo Ronaldo, but when EVERYONE does it. 

I think the worst part of the diving is when they fake an injury, the opposing team kicks the ball out and then the guy gets up like nothing happened (probably because nothing did happen).  Sooner or later opponents won't do that anymore and just say, "Too bad if you're hurt...game on!"
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 06, 2006, 07:27:39 PM
Should've done that at the beginning of the tourney, just to see how people guessed...that would've been cool!

3rd place:  Germany 2 Portugal 1

Final:  Italy 0 France 0 AET (Italy wins 4-3 on PKs)

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on July 06, 2006, 07:55:18 PM
I don't want to see C. Ronaldo in Spain, period.  Id rather see him in France or Portugal where in fact I won't have to see him ever.

I do not see Spain as bad as divers as Portugal and Italy. Cannavaro as a defender, is a constant diver intending to ward off attacks. If Lippi calls him the world's best defender, perhaps lost in translation, he really meant diver. 

I again am rooting for the French side. I'd love to see Zidane go out on top. Any chance, however,  they can withold Henry's winner's medal for being a whiny little bastrd?

Will De Rossi play?

Ypsi, Figo will still be playing in Italy, no?  Inter won't be sent down to Serie B or C like Juve and Milan, and I've only heard of him retiring from international play.

BTW, this isn't the first time the Italian league has been involved in match fixing. If Buffon et. al were involved in this, they should be banned from the sport a la Charlie Hustle.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on July 06, 2006, 08:26:22 PM
Rooney stomps on the groin of a man lying helpless on the ground...and C. Ronaldo comes out of the incident as the bad guy?   ???
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 06, 2006, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on July 06, 2006, 08:26:22 PM
Rooney stomps on the groin of a man lying helpless on the ground...and C. Ronaldo comes out of the incident as the bad guy?   ???

I won't speak for others, but for me you are making a linkage that doesn't exist.

There has been talk of CRon being unwelcome back in Chelsea due to that incident (the wink to the bench WAS a bit much), but I'm more concerned with his overall diving tendencies.  (To me, Rooney was obviously deserving of a red card, and CRon should not have involved himself.)  I've put forth that one Cristiano Ronaldo is THE worst flopper/diver/whiner of the 2006 World Cup - so far, no one has challenged that assertion.

I also like Beckenbauer's suggestion that anyone lobbying for a card (by waving an imaginary card at the ref) should himself be carded for dissent.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on July 06, 2006, 10:20:58 PM
Who'd a thought 3 years later we'd all be rooting for the French.  ???


Missed both semi's this week, enjoying a fine holiday in beautiful Columbus, Oh.  Really can't comment on the games themselves but you have to be really impressed that  France has made it to the finals.  Consider their last two crashouts in the Cup 02 and Euro 04 and that they got off to a slow start this year I think its amazing they are where they are.  Throw in Zidane's last go around and its just hard to not root for them.  Tremendously talented team who have finally found a way to scrape a few goals.  Henry when he's at his peak is just special to watch, I'm not sure we've seen his best like was in the Champions Cup.


Diving........if video replay shows no contact the player should be banned for 10 games in international play and 15 in league play after the fact.   If the offense occurs in the first half he should be red carded at the break.

The only way it will ever get better is if refs throw around the red card for dives even if they are bad calls.
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 06, 2006, 10:25:42 PM
Good grief - FIVE consecutive predictions with France scoring zero goals!  Look, I realize that Italy's defense is amazing (zero goals to opposition scorers the entire Cup), but don't you realize that Zinedine Zidane is FATED!!

He WILL score.  And if Italy scores, he WILL score again.  Maybe directly, maybe on the assist, maybe on the pass that sets up the assist, but he WILL score whatever is necessary.

(And to think - until a week ago I had almost forgotten that Zidane existed!)
Title: World Cup 2006
Post by: Flea on July 06, 2006, 10:51:27 PM
Quote from: sac on July 06, 2006, 10:20:58 PM
Who'd a thought 3 years later we'd all be rooting for the French.  ???


No frikkin' way I'd ever cheer for the frogs.  I don't care how old Zidane is and that it's his last game. 

My World Cup rootin' schedule:

June 12 ... go Nati
June 18 ... go Taeguk Warriors
June 23 ... go Les Eperviers
June 27 ... go La Roja
July 01 ... go O Esquadrão de Ouro
July 05 ... go Portugal
July 09 ... go Azzurri

. . . my encouragement didn't help.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 06, 2006, 11:11:11 PM
Alright, well ... today was copy editing hell for me. One person in this conversation will appreciate this story a touch more than the rest.

About a half-hour before deadline this afternoon, our front-page World Cup preview hit the copy desk at ... uhh ... my paper. It's the one with the name of the country in the title.

It contains a five-column headline, across the width of the page.

It has a three-column, three line subhead.

It has two standalone photos (photos that aren't necessarily illustrated in the story, so they require more involved captions to be written).

And it has a banner at the top that says "World Cup final: Italy vs. France" blah blah blah ... so I can't use that information in the headline or the subhead.

UGH.

What's worse ... or maybe better, come to think of it ... is that this version of the story went solely into our overseas edition. So none of you will likely see it tomorrow, or complain about it on this board. :)

¡GOL! ¡GOL! ¡GOL! ¡GOL! ¡GOL! ¡GOL! ¡GOL!

Cup comes down
to border battle
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Jim Matson on July 07, 2006, 12:08:45 AM
3rd place: Germany 2, Portugal 1

Final: Italy 2, France 1 (OT)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2006, 12:54:23 AM
Hannibal knew what to do with that border!  Go Hannibal, go Zidane! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 07, 2006, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 06, 2006, 10:13:35 PM
There has been talk of CRon being unwelcome back in Chelsea due to that incident

Cristiano Ronaldo plays for Manchester United...is that what you mean?

I have seen the replay of Rooney stomping on the Portugese player a billion times.  There isn't any doubt in my mind that Rooney deserved the red card.

Ronaldo looking like he's lobbying for a red card isn't anything new.  You see players doing it all the time.  In fact, a player gets fouled and while he's rolling around on the ground, he's raising his hand "showing an imaginary card"...you know what I mean. 

As for Ronaldo winking...so what.  I think the English press has blown it out of proportion just so they have someone else to blame besides Rooney himself.

A great article in yesterday's USA Today about political prisoners in South Africa playing organized soccer and running their own prison league.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 07, 2006, 08:58:26 AM
Quote from: stinger on July 06, 2006, 07:55:18 PM
I do not see Spain as bad as divers as Portugal and Italy.

I qualified that statement with what I've seen from this Cup.  The spanish group games were just horrible on the diving front.  What's worse is that they were going to win them all whether they dove or not.  It's odd that they decided to play more sportsmanlike once they got to the knockouts.

Rooney certainly deserved the card for what he did, however, the ref didn't see it.  As Eric Wynalda said (somehow removing his lips from his own rear end), the ref had signalled foul, nothing more, no card, just a foul.  Rooney started swearing at him, which is was Rooney does best.  He made a great effort against three defenders and was frustrated he didn't come out of it.  Not excusing Rooney, he made the foul, he lost his temper, its his fault.

What everyone is mad at C Ron for is coming over and baiting Rooney.  Granted, if Rooney could control himself it wouldn't work, but these guys are teammates 90% of the year and the same age; I'm sure they know each other pretty well.  Christiano Ronaldo knew exactly what he was doing as he ran in to protest.  He was baiting Rooney and it worked, Rooney pushed him and then lit into the ref even more; the combination of the two got the card.

The ref is not going to move from a foul to a red card just because the notoriously dishonourable CRon told him the play deserved one.  No referee would do that.  He was forced to pull the card because of Rooney's actions.  It's the fact that Christiano Ronaldo baited him and knew what he was doing, coupled with all the diving that have made him a villian.

He's not going back to ManU; he's been asking for a move to Real for weeks.  I'm sure it happens now.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on July 07, 2006, 11:52:31 AM
Not everyone is mad at Ronaldo.  I think Rooney richly deserved the red card, and deserves to be heavily fined and suspended.  If he tried something like that in baseball, he'd be out 50 games.  If the ref missed the play (as it appears he did) and Ronaldo had any role to play in getting Rooney ejected, I say bravo! to Ronaldo.  I think of it more or less as a citizen's arrest, and I am not interested in Ronaldo's motives.  If Rooney had been allowed to continue in the game, it would have been a far worse travesty than "The Wink."

What makes it even worse is Rooney's subsequent comments long after the match was over ("I was gobsmacked"), in which he rejected responsibility and even claimed that he was the one fouled.  Of course, in the replay, Rooney has his right arm wrapped around the left thigh of the Portugese defender who he subsequently pushed to the ground.  Some foul. 

I agree with OS that the British press has made too much out of this as a way to deflect criticism towards a reasonably unlikeable Ronaldo and away from the real villain, Rooney.  What bothers me is that it appears to have worked.
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: CRZK on July 07, 2006, 12:55:53 PM
Third:  Germany over Portugal 2-1

First:  France 1-0  Late goal decides game.  No OT.  Wouldn't be surprised with goal in stoppage time.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: CRZK on July 07, 2006, 01:02:45 PM
Two items.

One.  I am so happy not to see Portgual making to the championships.  It seems to me their entire tournament play has been cheap.  Been mentioned before about diving etc.  It would have been a big disappointment to see that type of play succeed.

Second:  I have to disagree with Ypsi on replay and not delaying the game.  Just look how long replay decisions take in the NFL.  Do agree with post game review and suspensions.  Know that the guy who smacked McBride got a 4 game suspension and Mastreoni -US-(spelling of name sucks I know) received 3 game for their fouls. 

FIFA does need to crack down on simulation next with post game review and suspensions.  If simulation results in PK then something like 5 games, outside the box then 3 or 4.

How about the Ghana player and his dive against the US for a piece of art work?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 07, 2006, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on July 07, 2006, 11:52:31 AM
Not everyone is mad at Ronaldo.  I think Rooney richly deserved the red card, and deserves to be heavily fined and suspended.  If he tried something like that in baseball, he'd be out 50 games. 

I haven't seen anyone here defending Rooney's actions.  I don't know if he'd be out 50 games in baseball, but De Rossi, the Italian player who bloodied the US's Brian McBride with a nasty elbow to the face while airborne, got off with a four-game suspension (it would have been five if he hadn't apologized).  It's hard for me to call Rooney's offense worse than that one (although they were both deplorable).  So he'll probably get no more than five games.  Interestingly, the English Football Association is supporting him; I don't know if that's pro forma or not.  FIFA has promised a ruling on Rooney, as well as two Argentines, before Sunday's match.

Fabio Capello, the coach who just escaped Juventus to go to Real Madrid, appears to be really interested in Cristiano Ronaldo.

I think Old School made a really good point about the worst danger of flopping:  it could eliminate the wonderful sportmanslike practice of the opposite team kicking the ball out of bounds to stop play when a player goes down.   This did happen in the most flop-happy (and card-happy) match of the Cup, Portugal-Holland, when Holland didn't stop play when a Portuguese man went down.  The Rooney-CRon mess didn't involve flopping, but what people are incensed with CRon about is trying to work the official (and he's a champion flopper, too). 

I think it's safe to say that neither player has made a lot of fans for his conduct during this World Cup.  It's a shame, because both are brilliantly talented.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 07, 2006, 03:39:31 PM
I know I'm late to the dance, but here's my take on the five best goals in the Copa Mundial this time 'round:

1.  Rodriguez from Argentina vs. Mexico.  Why?  Beautiful and clutch.  Would that we all got to score a goal like that!

2.  Henry vs. all of Brasil.  Forget the fact that the Brazillians seemed to be disinterested in defending all day long and the brilliant pass from Zidane--Henry's goal was a true one timer.  He caught it out of the air and scored all in one fluid motion.

3.    Grosso from Italy vs. the Germanators in double OT.  Just as clutch and in a bigger situation, but not as skillful, IMO, as Rodriguez.

4.  Milevskiy from Ukraine vs. Switzerland.  Swiss keeper is still looking for jock after Milevskiy faked him out and casually chipped the ball into the net. 

5.  Ronaldo vs. Ghana is the quarterfinals.  Not flashy, but historically significant.  Probably the last goal this great Brazillian striker scores in World Cup play.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2006, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: CRZK on July 07, 2006, 01:02:45 PM
Second:  I have to disagree with Ypsi on replay and not delaying the game.  Just look how long replay decisions take in the NFL.  Do agree with post game review and suspensions.  Know that the guy who smacked McBride got a 4 game suspension and Mastreoni -US-(spelling of name sucks I know) received 3 game for their fouls. 

Not the same.  In the NFL the head official ON THE FIELD goes over to check the replays - I'm talking about an off-field official with full access to the TV replays.  In most cases it should take no more than 15-20 seconds to reach a verdict (with a reversal ONLY if the ref was CLEARLY incorrect).  Goals, PKs, and red cards ALWAYS delay the game for far more than 15-20 seconds.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2006, 11:27:31 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on July 07, 2006, 11:52:31 AM
Not everyone is mad at Ronaldo.  I think Rooney richly deserved the red card, and deserves to be heavily fined and suspended.  If he tried something like that in baseball, he'd be out 50 games.  If the ref missed the play (as it appears he did) and Ronaldo had any role to play in getting Rooney ejected, I say bravo! to Ronaldo.  I think of it more or less as a citizen's arrest, and I am not interested in Ronaldo's motives.  If Rooney had been allowed to continue in the game, it would have been a far worse travesty than "The Wink."

What makes it even worse is Rooney's subsequent comments long after the match was over ("I was gobsmacked"), in which he rejected responsibility and even claimed that he was the one fouled.  Of course, in the replay, Rooney has his right arm wrapped around the left thigh of the Portugese defender who he subsequently pushed to the ground.  Some foul. 

I agree with OS that the British press has made too much out of this as a way to deflect criticism towards a reasonably unlikeable Ronaldo and away from the real villain, Rooney.  What bothers me is that it appears to have worked.

I totally agree with the last paragraph (though I suspect that Rooney will eventually get the full Beckham '98 treatment).

C Ronaldo has NOT been dissed here due to his 'citizen's arrest' of Rooney (just an explanation of why he is HIGHLY unlikely to ever play again for ManU ('Chelsea' was a total brain-fart, HF - sorry! :-[).  He has been 'dissed' because he is almost certainly THE number one diver and whiner of this Cup.  And I'm a FAN, sort of!  Incredible talent, but the emotional maturity of a 14-year-old (kind of like Rooney :P).  And, trust me, I know the emotional maturity of male 14-year-olds!! >:()
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 08, 2006, 10:17:06 AM
Just up on http://www.bbc.co.uk :

Rooney is suspended for two games and is fined 2400 pounds.  No more details yet.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 08, 2006, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: CRZK on July 07, 2006, 01:02:45 PM
Do agree with post game review and suspensions.  Know that the guy who smacked McBride got a 4 game suspension and Mastreoni -US-(spelling of name sucks I know) received 3 game for their fouls. 

In my opinion, I hardly think Mastreoni's foul even warranted a red card...I think it was good for a yellow (if that) in any other game or World Cup, for that matter.  Another three on top of that is going a bit far.  Someone who blatantly elbows an opponent getting one more game than a guy who slide tackles from behind?  Come on.

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 08, 2006, 10:17:06 AM
Just up on http://www.bbc.co.uk :
Rooney is suspended for two games and is fined 2400 pounds.  No more details yet.

On On Soccernet as well (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373529&cc=5739).  Rooney getting TWO games for stomping on someone's groin, while another player gets FOUR for kicking someone's groin...what's this world coming to?

Leandro Cufre has been suspended for four matches and fined £4,800 for kicking German defender Per Mertesacker in the groin.

Anyway, at least there is a game today we can talk about! Oh wait a minute, Portugal is diving, I mean, playing...so maybe we'll talk more about CRon, who apparently is a member of the newly formed NathCon.  ;D

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on July 08, 2006, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2006, 11:27:31 PM
C Ronaldo has NOT been dissed here due to his 'citizen's arrest' of Rooney [...]

Folks, I understand that the primary criticism of Cristiano Ronaldo in this room has been for his alleged diving.  Despite what some of you may think, I do actually read your posts.  However, there is a certain degree of interest in the World Cup outside D3hoops.com (:D), and out there my impression is that the chief objection to Ronaldo centers on "The Wink."  That's what I have been referring to.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 08, 2006, 02:36:46 PM
The third-place game has to be attracting more attention than usual because of all the talk about the antics of C. Ronaldo and his teammates.

David, I think the objection to C. Ron and his tactics is based on a perception of general poor sportsmanship, which includes whining and flopping more than the infamous wink.  Apparently, he lost the Fifa Young Player Award because of this perception.  The Fifa board is certainly composed of people more in the heart of world football than those of us here on d3sports, and they seem to have been bothered by his actions beyond just one wink.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 08, 2006, 03:26:11 PM
Since this is a soccer board, I thought I'd throw out some soccer-related movies that should be seen...and I'm not talking about Stallone's Victory!

The New York Cosmo's documentary looks interesting.  It won't be played anywhere near She-Vegas, so I'll have to wait for it to come out on DVD. 

Goal-The True Underdog Story (or whatever it's called) looks good as well.  For those of you who don't know, I guess it's about an immigrant in the US who travels to England to try out for Newcastle United. 

There is a guy who plays for newly promoted Watford who is originally from the Green Bay, WI area and played for Bay Port high school.  He didn't get any offers from MLS and decided to go over to England and play in some bar leagues, moved up to semi-professional and then got a look from Watford when his semi-pro team played a preseason game against his current employers.  They should make a movie about him!  His name is Jay DeMerit.

Lastly, one of the best soccer related movies I just recently watched was Green Street Hooligans.  Even if you aren't a soccer fan, it's good movie with solid acting all around, a nice story line and other goodies (like cool fights)...with Elijah Wood once again doing a good job of shedding Frodo from everyone's minds!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on July 08, 2006, 04:01:10 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 08, 2006, 02:36:46 PM
The third-place game has to be attracting more attention than usual because of all the talk about the antics of C. Ronaldo and his teammates.

David, I think the objection to C. Ron and his tactics is based on a perception of general poor sportsmanship, which includes whining and flopping more than the infamous wink.  Apparently, he lost the Fifa Young Player Award because of this perception.  The Fifa board is certainly composed of people more in the heart of world football than those of us here on d3sports, and they seem to have been bothered by his actions beyond just one wink.

By "The Wink," I mean the whole play--running up 30 yards to confront Rooney and the ref--not just the wink itself.  I guess I'm just not literal enough to make myself clear.  Yes, C. Ron has a bad reputation, and this play has not helped.  But I still maintain that the real villain on the play was Rooney, and I think it is a shame that the focus of attention (perhaps not in here, but elsewhere) has turned out to be Ronaldo's less-than-sportsmanlike actions rather than Rooney's.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2006, 05:18:26 PM
The 3rd place game turned out to be arguably the most entertaining match of the Cup - if not for truly outstanding keeping by both Kahn and Ricardo, the 3-1 German victory could easily have been about 6-4!

A new candidate has been added for 'goal of the Cup' - Gomes flat-out diving header for Portugal's only goal.  All it lacked was the importance, since his side was down 3 goals with mere minutes to play.

Poor Petit had a most trying day - he was the defender beaten by Schweinsteiger on both his goals, AND he scored an own goal - ouch!!  (Germany avoided an own goal only by sheer good fortune - a defender tried to clear with a header, but sent it straight at the goal.  Kahn had no time to react at all, but the ball hit him and bounced away.)

Ronaldo's reputation is starting to cost him and his team.  He had two very convincing dives in the box (only slow-mo replay showed them to be dives) and got the call on neither.  I think most players, given how convincing they looked at match speed, would have gotten PKs.  It may be years (if ever) before he starts getting the benefit of the doubt on close calls, which will probably include a number of legimate penalties that won't be called.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 08, 2006, 05:25:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2006, 05:18:26 PM
The 3rd place game turned out to be arguably the most entertaining match of the Cup - if not for truly outstanding keeping by both Kahn and Ricardo, the 3-1 German victory could easily have been about 6-4!

A new candidate has been added for 'goal of the Cup' - Gomes flat-out diving header for Portugal's only goal.  All it lacked was the importance, since his side was down 3 goals with mere minutes to play.


I was thinking that about the goal too.  Figo's pass was perfect, as was the finish.  But, as you say, it came at an anticlimactic moment.

Another good footie film--the original Fever Pitch, based on the novel by Nick Hornby.  It was remade as a baseball film about the Red Sox--the pun is different, but it still works.  I haven't seen the baseball version.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on July 08, 2006, 05:39:35 PM
Hey Dave,  Rooney got what he deserved, red card, suspension and fine.  No one's defending Rooney.  It was pointed out to me that during the particular incident in question 3 players pushed Ronaldo away.  Rooney, Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand.........all Man U teamates.

Ronaldo has a reputation, he is much hated even prior to this years world cup, there's a good film out on the net with the fans reaction to his face being shown on the screen at Euro 04 during the Portuguese anthem..........in Portugal.  Speaks volumns.

www.Ihateronaldo.com

my personal favorite

http://www.ronaldo-is.com/i-hate-ronaldo-free-pics.php?id=11
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: cawcdad on July 08, 2006, 05:43:11 PM
Mr. Ypsi beat me to the punch regarding C. Ronaldo's dives. He even did his usual whine for a call but the ref said, "play on." I will give CRon some credit here for learning. Two dives and whines, no call, no more dives! Although he had the opportunity on a couple of occasions. One more comment on the youngster from Portugal, I think he has gone to the well one too many times with his step over move. It is pretty and he has quick feet, but he tried it several times and the German defenders simply held their ground.

Props to the Germans for a very well played game. What a great curtain call for Kahn. Klinsmann did a good job in that every player got some playing time in the tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on July 08, 2006, 05:48:26 PM
Germany made a great showing in this tournament and deserves #3 if not better.  A different draw and they're  probably in the Final.


Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2006, 06:58:20 PM
Kahn certainly showed today that his performance in 2002 was no fluke.  He had more GREAT saves today than I think any other keeper has done (most have been only lightly tested).

Despite Germany's 3 goals, Ricardo was nearly as good (a lesser performance would have yielded 6 or 7 goals).  The last 2 goals were unstoppable for ANY keeper (barring sheer blind luck); only the first was arguably his fault, but I could swear it curved one way and then back the other!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on July 08, 2006, 07:13:01 PM
It's hard to believe that CRon is getting so much grief for his diving, when diving was the theme of the games--until today's match. I was greatly impressed with the restraint on the field. I honestly wondered if players had been reading posts on D3sports and, out of pure shame, decided to play soccer. Tackles or nudges that, in any of the other games, would have resulted in dramatic flops, followed by last-gasp theatrics were hopped over and play hustled on. You don't think this site is the official reading material of the World Cup, do you? (I didn't see the banner anywhere...)

Anyway, CRon plays some pretty good soccer. He's quick, he's innovative, he's chancey. Of course he dives; precious few players didn't. It was refreshing--if not revolutionary--to see players pass up opportunities to dive in earlier games.

One wonders if Portugal overlooked Schweinsteiger. I bet they won't ever do that again.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2006, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: sac on July 08, 2006, 05:39:35 PM
Hey Dave,  Rooney got what he deserved, red card, suspension and fine.  No one's defending Rooney.  It was pointed out to me that during the particular incident in question 3 players pushed Ronaldo away.  Rooney, Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand.........all Man U teamates.

Ronaldo has a reputation, he is much hated even prior to this years world cup, there's a good film out on the net with the fans reaction to his face being shown on the screen at Euro 04 during the Portuguese anthem..........in Portugal.  Speaks volumns.

www.Ihateronaldo.com

my personal favorite

http://www.ronaldo-is.com/i-hate-ronaldo-free-pics.php?id=11

You favorite site loaded fine (the cartoon is great, though in fairness to CRon, he does a MUCH better job of 'selling it' most of the time!), but the other link came back 'server not found'.  If he actually gets booed IN PORTUGAL during national team games, that is just sad.

In talent, he and Rooney may already be among the world's top 10 players (and right near the top for the youngsters), but they really risk becoming pariahs if they don't grow up quickly.  And pariahs tend to receive career-ending injuries ('accidentally', of course). :(
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 08, 2006, 10:17:38 PM
Quote from: sac on July 08, 2006, 05:48:26 PM
Germany made a great showing in this tournament and deserves #3 if not better.  A different draw and they're  probably in the Final.

Uh?  They beat Sweden and Argentina in their top half of the bracket.  Coming out of the 1st round, it looked like Argentina was going to be the toughest game, the way they were playing.  The bottom half of their bracket?  Aside from Italy, the other teams were Australia, Switzerland and the Ukraine.  Almost scary.

On the other hand, the other bracket had England, Holland, Portugal, Brazil, Spain and France.

Germany was two minutes from going to PKs.  I'm thinking Germany liked their draw.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 01:54:42 AM
I was just looking over Germany's roster - mein Gott, they really ARE young!  By the 2010 Cup, Neuville will be 37, Schneider and Nowotny both 36 - maybe they are gone?  Ballack and Frings will be pushing 34 (i.e., younger than Zidane is now!); every other field player will be in their prime, or still approaching it!  (Today's hero, Schweinsteiger, will not even turn 22 until next month!)

The only question is in goal.  Oliver Kahn retired after what may have been the greatest 'curtain call' in the history of the Cup (think Pele after the Cosmos, inserted into a consolation game and getting a hat trick).  Jens Lehmann is less than 5 months younger than Kahn!  He will be over 40 by the South African Cup.  Anyone know anything about #3 keeper Timo Hildebrand (club team: Stuttgart), or any up-and-coming keepers for the Germans?

It's too early to be forecasting d3 bball, so it is obviously ridiculously too early to be forecasting the 2010 World Cup, but I would think the Germans have to be the favorites IF they have a world-class keeper.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 09, 2006, 03:29:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 01:54:42 AM
The only question is in goal.  Oliver Kahn retired after what may have been the greatest 'curtain call' in the history of the Cup

I would've liked to have seen Klinsmann sub out Kahn in injury time since the result wasn't in doubt.  The standing "O" he would've gotten would've been amazing.  You see that in other American sports where the coach takes the player out and the crowd goes wild. 


Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 01:54:42 AM
It's too early to be forecasting d3 bball, so it is obviously ridiculously too early to be forecasting the 2010 World Cup, but I would think the Germans have to be the favorites IF they have a world-class keeper.

Argentina would also be a favorite.  I think I remember something where only 3 players on the 2006 roster were on the 2002 roster...Not sure about South Africa, but the African teams as a whole have improved greatly and one of those 6 teams could be a contender (host team + 5 qualifiers).  There will also be a youth movement in Brazil with the aging stars finally retiring.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: gobombers15 on July 09, 2006, 05:09:06 AM
France over Italy, 1-0.

As great as Buffon is--and he is the best keeper in the world--I just don't see a keeper giving up ZERO goals (only one own goal thus far) for an entire World Cup. As much as the Italian fans will wish to cite France's less-than-stellar 1-0 victory over Portugal, keep in mind that the Italians were the beneficiaries of a questionable, at best, call against the Socceroos. I think this game will be a little more wide-open than people think. I laugh at the predictions that see more than one goal in this game. Both sides have tremendous defenses that will be able to hold a 1-0 lead. While Italy has given up just the one own-goal to the United States, France has surrendered just two goals: a PK following a poor call by the referee where the Spain forward had his back to goal, 17 yards away and in a position that was far from dangerous and a very soft goal to the South Koreans in the waning moments of that game. Needless to say, I don't see either goal being repeated in this final.

This one could very well be decided in penalties (god, I hope not). However, I see Ribery streaking down the wing, firing a low far-post shot that is deflected away by Buffon but right to the feet of Henry who buries it at the 40 minute mark. I think it would benefit France to play a second forward against the Italian defense. Lord knows Trezeguet is fresh. Les Bleus will take it.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on July 09, 2006, 10:18:25 AM
Fever Pitch is classic. Colin Firth is great in that movie. What about Sly Stallone in Victory?  THere is also an excellent documentary out there about the North Korean  side that played in England '66. It's called The Game of Their Lives (same title of the movie of the 1950 US team). It's a fascintating film, and gives you an insiders look into North Korea. The Koreans beat Italy and shouldve beaten Portgual
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on July 09, 2006, 12:45:52 PM
OS---all I meant was Germany could have made the final with a better semi-final draw.  Italy was imo the toughest of the 3 teams Germany could have faced because of their D.  Germany beats France or Portugal.  Infact it might play out that Germany/Italy should have been the final.

Dispite their tendency to flop Italy is  a solid talented bunch, it really shouldn't be surprising to see them in the final given their form leading into the Cup.

....but I'm rooting for France and no penalty kicks. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 09, 2006, 04:21:04 PM
Zidane's head butt, unbelievable.

How do you screw your team like that in this game, the game-of-games?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Bushop on July 09, 2006, 04:23:01 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 09, 2006, 04:21:04 PM
Zidane's head butt, ...

Did the refs see it in real time, or on the monitor after the fact?  It's going to be a war now, I predict at least one more red card.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Cowman on July 09, 2006, 04:30:45 PM
PK's ... this sucks. 

What would be a good alternative to this crap?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2006, 04:33:53 PM
Was just discussing this with my brother, perhaps taking players off the field and playing 9-on-9, 8-on-8, 7-on-7 etc until you get to penalty kicks at 2-on-2. :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Cowman on July 09, 2006, 04:40:40 PM
How about doing something similar to old school girl's basketball? 

Limit certian players from crossing the half-line, so the offense would have a one- or two-person advantage.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2006, 04:42:46 PM
what a crappy way to end a championship game.  That Rowan/Bridgewater game in 2001 had a more legitimate ending.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2006, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: jonny utah on July 09, 2006, 04:42:46 PM
That Rowan/Bridgewater game in 02 had a more legitimate ending.

Oof.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jonny Utah on July 09, 2006, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2006, 04:33:53 PM
Was just discussing this with my brother, perhaps taking players off the field and playing 9-on-9, 8-on-8, 7-on-7 etc until you get to penalty kicks at 2-on-2. :)

Pat your right on the money.  I think theres too many guys on the field in the first place.  that whole 10 vs 9 bugs me too.  just foul out like basketball.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 09, 2006, 04:54:03 PM
Quote from: Bish' on July 09, 2006, 04:23:01 PM
Did the refs see it in real time, or on the monitor after the fact?  It's going to be a war now, I predict at least one more red card.

He went over and talked to the assistant referee. 

It's too bad Zidane's international legacy will end showing him headbutting the Italian.  I think many fans jumped on the France bandwagon because of him, but for the last minutes of  extra time, I was rooting for Italy. 

He's gotta get at least three games for that.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: mr_b on July 09, 2006, 05:02:02 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 09, 2006, 04:21:04 PM
Zidane's head butt, unbelievable.

How do you screw your team like that in this game, the game-of-games?

That was one of the most egregious fouls I've ever seen at any level of soccer.  French players and fans have got to be wondering how the penalty kick phase would have played out with Zidane taking one of the kicks.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Bushop on July 09, 2006, 05:05:18 PM
Quote from: Old School on July 09, 2006, 04:54:03 PM
Quote from: Bish' on July 09, 2006, 04:23:01 PM
Did the refs see it in real time, or on the monitor after the fact?  It's going to be a war now, I predict at least one more red card.

He went over and talked to the assistant referee. 

It's too bad Zidane's international legacy will end showing him headbutting the Italian.  I think many fans jumped on the France bandwagon because of him, but for the last minutes of  extra time, I was rooting for Italy. 

He's gotta get at least three games for that.



Three games?  Isn't he done, as in retired?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Oval on July 09, 2006, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: Cowman on July 09, 2006, 04:30:45 PM
PK's ... this sucks. 

What would be a good alternative to this crap?

Corner Kicks instead of Penalty Kicks?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 09, 2006, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: Cowman on July 09, 2006, 04:30:45 PM
PK's ... this sucks. 

What would be a good alternative to this crap?

Use two balls during overtime.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 09, 2006, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: Bish' on July 09, 2006, 05:05:18 PM

Three games?  Isn't he done, as in retired?

Retired from the French National team, no more World Cups.  But what about his professional team ... and do reds carry over to those leagues?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: David Collinge on July 09, 2006, 05:10:58 PM
For what it's worth, those were five absolutely beautiful penalties by the Italian side.  They came as close as you can get to earning a victory on PKs.

It was a great match.  I don't know how anyone but Brent Musburger could have watched it without become a fan of soccer football.

Thanks for the conversation, folks.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 09, 2006, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: jonny utah on July 09, 2006, 04:42:46 PM
what a crappy way to end a championship game.  That Rowan/Bridgewater game in 2001 had a more legitimate ending.

Please explain . . .
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on July 09, 2006, 05:14:55 PM
Really good game to watch, lots of chances and really good play from the defenders all day.

The French goal was cheap and I was exstatic when Italy scored so early.....kind of evened things up for me.  Surely the game deserved a goal to win it.........I sure thought Zidane had it buried in OT.

Italy was a very solid team from the start talent wise, if I can just get past their flop show in group play I could have liked watching them play.

Incredibly this cup might be remebered for one thing...


What was Zidane thinking?   Wouldn't you like to see his teamates greet him in the locker room afterward.  Wow.

Great tournament as a whole, some really enjoyable games and fortunately I got so see most of them.

Premiership starts in about 5 weeks.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Gray Fox on July 09, 2006, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2006, 04:33:53 PM
Was just discussing this with my brother, perhaps taking players off the field and playing 9-on-9, 8-on-8, 7-on-7 etc until you get to penalty kicks at 2-on-2. :)

I understand that is what they do in the youth leagues in California.  Seems like a good plan to me.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 05:17:40 PM
I don't recall ever seeing a PK shootout where neither keeper stopped a single shot.

Italy should vote a full Cup share to the crossbar. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 05:22:47 PM
France's PK goal was a very questionable call, but it balanced out: in the 53rd minute France SHOULD have been awarded a PK, but wasn't.

What a shameful way for a great career to end.  Zizou, you're the CAPTAIN - how can you do that to your team?!  (I blame it all on that accursed Buffon.  If he hadn't made that incredible save on the header at the end of the first OT, I'm sure Zidane would have been in a much better mood! ;))
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 09, 2006, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2006, 04:33:53 PM
Was just discussing this with my brother, perhaps taking players off the field and playing 9-on-9, 8-on-8, 7-on-7 etc until you get to penalty kicks at 2-on-2. :)

I understand that is what they do in the youth leagues in California.  Seems like a good plan to me.

Do they rebalance if one side is playing down due to red card(s)?  Otherwise, once you get down to, say, 5v4, the match is pretty well decided by a carded player!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 09, 2006, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: Bish' on July 09, 2006, 05:05:18 PM

Three games?  Isn't he done, as in retired?

Retired from the French National team, no more World Cups.  But what about his professional team ... and do reds carry over to those leagues?

Don't know for sure, but Rooney, for example, was suspended for his next two National games - not Man U.  I don't know whether FIFA has any direct control over club teams, but I suspect that would be a league matter, not FIFA.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on July 09, 2006, 05:40:07 PM
Coup fatal.

I shoulda cheered for Italy.

Is it possible--stick with me, conspiracy people--that Zidane and Trezeguet were part of the Italian scandal? Paid off by someone to throw the game?

Zidane the head butter or Zidane the game thrower. Hmmm.

So who's taking the cup in 2010?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 09, 2006, 05:48:26 PM
Quote from: Bish' on July 09, 2006, 05:05:18 PM
Three games?  Isn't he done, as in retired?

Quote from: Bilk on July 09, 2006, 05:10:32 PM
Retired from the French National team, no more World Cups.  But what about his professional team ... and do reds carry over to those leagues?

Umm, good point.  I'm pretty sure club suspensions are totally different from national team suspensions.  Maybe he knew that when he did that.

If I'm correct, hockey plays 4 v 4 in OT, then penalty shots.

Quote from: sac on July 09, 2006, 05:14:55 PM
The French goal was cheap and I was exstatic when Italy scored so early.....kind of evened things up for me.

It was a weak foul, but penalty none-the-less, IMO.  Sure, he didn't mean to trip him, but it was an obvious foul.  I had no problem with the call.

Quote from: sac on July 09, 2006, 05:14:55 PM
Premiership starts in about 5 weeks.

Maybe we'll keep the "World Cup" board open for various European leagues, or any other soccer related stuff not involving D3 "football". :-)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 09, 2006, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 05:39:39 PM

Don't know for sure, but Rooney, for example, was suspended for his next two National games - not Man U.  I don't know whether FIFA has any direct control over club teams, but I suspect that would be a league matter, not FIFA.

Would Ronney be sitting out his next FIFA games?  These may include:

-- Club World Championship (2007?)
-- Confederations Cup (2007)
-- European Football Championship (2008)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 07:02:32 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 09, 2006, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 05:39:39 PM

Don't know for sure, but Rooney, for example, was suspended for his next two National games - not Man U.  I don't know whether FIFA has any direct control over club teams, but I suspect that would be a league matter, not FIFA.

Would Ronney be sitting out his next FIFA games?  These may include:

-- Club World Championship (2007?)
-- Confederations Cup (2007)
-- European Football Championship (2008)


He'll sit for Euro 2008 qualifying matches against Andorra and Macedonia - and if England needs him for those matches, I doubt they are contenders! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 07:07:11 PM
Of 14 entries, 7 picked both games right, only one poster missed on both.

We were cumulatively 10-4 for each game.

While no scoring rules were set, I'd judge Oval to be the pick 'em champ: very close on Germany (2-1) and almost perfect on Italy (1-1, 4-2 on PKs).
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Oval on July 09, 2006, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 07:07:11 PM

While no scoring rules were set, I'd judge Oval to be the pick 'em champ: very close on Germany (2-1) and almost perfect on Italy (1-1, 4-2 on PKs).

nice . . . and lucky, thanks for the fun
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 09, 2006, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 07:02:32 PM

He'll sit for Euro 2008 qualifying matches against Andorra and Macedonia - and if England needs him for those matches, I doubt they are contenders! ;)

Where did you find that out?  Nice work.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 09, 2006, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 07:02:32 PM

He'll sit for Euro 2008 qualifying matches against Andorra and Macedonia - and if England needs him for those matches, I doubt they are contenders! ;)

Where did you find that out?  Nice work.

It was on the BBC link that Hoosier Titan(?) posted when Rooney's supension was first announced.

Based on the Rooney (and other suspensions) precedent, since Zidane has retired (again) from the National team, my guess would be that he is beyond the reach of FIFA (except, perhaps, for a fine).  That was so far beyond what can be expected in a match that I would assume the German courts could prosecute for assault, but I would certainly be surprised if they did.  I think his main punishment will be the permanent staining of an otherwise superlative (and usually classy) career.  (Though this was not the first classless act - it was mentioned after the game [an incident I had forgotten 'til then] that in a previous Cup he deliberately stepped on a fallen Saudi player, for which he was suspended two games.)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 09, 2006, 10:07:07 PM
He's retired from international football.  I have no doubt that he's not coming back.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: gobombers15 on July 09, 2006, 10:22:31 PM
Premiership in 5 weeks?

Great, another lopsided victory for Chelsea. They will be at the top of the table for the entire season. Adding Shevchenko and Ballack to what they already had? They're going to be disgusting. Their starting 11 is nasty: Peter Cech in goal; John Terry, Gallas, Carvalho, and either Paulo Ferreira or del Horno in the back; Makelele, Ballack, Super Frank, and Arjen Robben at midfield, with Michael Essien and Joe Cole as reserves, for god sakes; Crespo and Shevchenko up top with Didier Drogba as a reserve. That may be the most disgusting top 15 of any roster in the world.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on July 09, 2006, 10:22:31 PM
Premiership in 5 weeks?

Great, another lopsided victory for Chelsea. They will be at the top of the table for the entire season. Adding Shevchenko and Ballack to what they already had? They're going to be disgusting. Their starting 11 is nasty: Peter Cech in goal; John Terry, Gallas, Carvalho, and either Paulo Ferreira or del Horno in the back; Makelele, Ballack, Super Frank, and Arjen Robben at midfield, with Michael Essien and Joe Cole as reserves, for god sakes; Crespo and Shevchenko up top with Didier Drogba as a reserve. That may be the most disgusting top 15 of any roster in the world.

By 'disgusting', I assume you mean 'the best team money can buy'.  But note it does not guarantee anything except nearly always being a contender. 

Steinbrenner's Yankees and the Red Wings (until recently) were similar (the Wings at one time had 7 or 8 near-lock future Hall of Famers, plus a coach ALREADY in the HoF, and annually made the playoffs [often with the #1 seed], yet they still bombed out early more often than they won Lord Stanley's Cup).

Chelsea has bought themselves a (near) guarantee of being a contender, but for opponents to abandon hope would be foolish.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: gobombers15 on July 09, 2006, 11:55:18 PM
To an extent, I agree. However, this formula has proven successful for Chelsea over the last two years. By acquiring Ballack and Shevchenko, they are not completely overhauling that team. Unlike the teams you mentioned, they have several "team" players (see Essien, Makalele, Terry, etc.) whereas teams like the Yankees seem like a bunch of independent contractors, save for a precious few of them. I see them winning the league in a rather comfortable fashion, followed by a subsequent screw-up in UEFA's, per usual.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on July 09, 2006, 11:58:23 PM
Watching Zidane's antics today was really shocking.  Yeah, a conspiracy is the best way to talk about it - I mean, what other reason could there be?  Or maybe he's just an idiot?!

I thought the foul on Italy was a clean call.  The ref did a good job today, although I preferred the guy who called the Germany/Italy game - I think he was from Mexico.

Nonetheless, I liked Italy's play and other than their lifeless efforts in the last 20 minutes, they certainly were good.  I think had France not suffered the injuries and the Zidane move, they may have kept up the preasure and won in regulation, but it just seemed that Italy was destined to take it to PKs and win.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 10, 2006, 12:37:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 09, 2006, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2006, 07:02:32 PM

He'll sit for Euro 2008 qualifying matches against Andorra and Macedonia - and if England needs him for those matches, I doubt they are contenders! ;)

Where did you find that out?  Nice work.

It was on the BBC link that Hoosier Titan(?) posted when Rooney's supension was first announced.

Yes, it was I.  England plays Andorra at Old Trafford on September 2 and an away game at Macedonia on September 6.  The next game will be Macedonia somewhere in England in early October.  Hopefully McClaren will have restocked the team, especially with healthy strikers.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2006, 01:06:50 AM
Quote from: Hiker Jim on July 09, 2006, 11:58:23 PM
Watching Zidane's antics today was really shocking.  Yeah, a conspiracy is the best way to talk about it - I mean, what other reason could there be?  Or maybe he's just an idiot?!

I thought the foul on Italy was a clean call.  The ref did a good job today, although I preferred the guy who called the Germany/Italy game - I think he was from Mexico.

Nonetheless, I liked Italy's play and other than their lifeless efforts in the last 20 minutes, they certainly were good.  I think had France not suffered the injuries and the Zidane move, they may have kept up the preasure and won in regulation, but it just seemed that Italy was destined to take it to PKs and win.

I prefer to remember Zidane's total career, which was MOSTLY classy but that was a screw-up for the ages, and will probably permanently stain his reputation.

IMO the first French PK was a dive, but like I said in the 53rd minute they DESERVED a PK and didn't get it - I wonder if the ref saw a replay at halftime, and the no-call was a make-up?

I agree that France might have won in regulation (or at least OT, before PKs) if not for Vieira's[sp?] injury, Henry's cramps, and Zizou's brain cramp.  They were definitely the agressors for most of the 2nd half and OT.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on July 10, 2006, 07:29:17 AM
I am still in shock about Zidane.  France owned Italy throughout the second half, and were unfortunate not to have won in regulation.  As for who actually saw the foul, it was actually the fourth assistant. Neither assistants in the game saw it.

Zizou has retired from all soccer as of now.  He has retired professionally. However, I don't think it would have effected him playing any games if he was to return to Real Madrid.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Stinger on July 10, 2006, 07:31:08 AM
Amazing, Zidane has won the Golden Ball.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 10, 2006, 07:42:35 AM
Quote from: gobombers15 on July 09, 2006, 10:22:31 PM
Premiership in 5 weeks?

Great, another lopsided victory for Chelsea. They will be at the top of the table for the entire season. Adding Shevchenko and Ballack to what they already had? They're going to be disgusting. Their starting 11 is nasty: Peter Cech in goal; John Terry, Gallas, Carvalho, and either Paulo Ferreira or del Horno in the back; Makelele, Ballack, Super Frank, and Arjen Robben at midfield, with Michael Essien and Joe Cole as reserves, for god sakes; Crespo and Shevchenko up top with Didier Drogba as a reserve. That may be the most disgusting top 15 of any roster in the world.

Their second team could compete for the Premiership.

Quote from: stinger on July 10, 2006, 07:31:08 AM
Amazing, Zidane has won the Golden Ball.

I wouldn't have voted for him simply because of that act of disgrace.  But, with that said, I'm sure many voters had their votes in already.  They have until the end of the day to get it in.

Zidane:  2012 votes
Cannavaro:  1977
Pirlo:  715

IMO, I think Zidane (with the voters who sent in their votes before the headbutt) probably got in partly because of his name, partly because of sentimental value (last WC) and partly because he's a "skill player" (goalie, forward, midfielder).  I think Cannavaro should've gotten it, but when was the last time a defender got it? 
Title: Re: World Cup Pick 'em
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 10, 2006, 09:18:34 AM

Wow, you're right.  I'm surprised I got the Germany-Portugal game correct.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 10, 2006, 09:25:08 AM

Penalty kicks are crap.  If your team can make it to the final with Fabian Barthez in goal, you should get some sort of extra credit.  Zidane knew they had no chance in the penalties and he wanted out early.

Also it gives further creedence to my conspiracy theory about Silvio Berlusconi buying the cup for Italy.  Zidane loves Lippi and even the crappy American announcers kept mentioning how much love Zidane had for Italy and his time playing there.  He's already got one World Cup, maybe Berlusconi did buy him off.  That PK went in, sure, but it looked almost as if Zidane was trying to knock it off the crossbar and he just got it a few inches too low?  You never can tell.

Anyway, the headbutt did one thing for sure, it made absolutely certain that Zidane can gather a following when he comes to MLS in a few years.  MLS needs an aging superstar with a penchant for sternum bruising behavior.  That will sell.

Bring on the crazy transfer season!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 10, 2006, 10:06:46 AM
The Zidane thing is just bizarre, yet par for the course.  He's one of the greats, to be sure.  However, part of the legend, if you will, of Zidane is his "wild card" mentality.  (Check out some of the stuff he pulled while with Juventus)  The saddest part of the incedent, IMO, was having a pretty good idea what Zidane must have been thinking while looking at the Cup Trophy as he went to the locker rooms after being sent off!

Old School, I agree w/ you--for the most part--on the Cannavaro selection, but am not sure I'd agree with your assessment of the keeper being a skill position as opposed to a defender. Remember that Kahn won the Golden Ball in 2002, not for his skilled play, per se, but for his defensive prowess.

I think a legitimate arguement could be made for Buffon to have won the trophy, considering his high level of play during the tournament.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 10, 2006, 12:51:07 PM

Hiker Jim,

Are you going to create a pro soccer convo board on here for some debate now that the WC is over?  I'm not really in a position to get involved in d3 soccer at the moment, but I am a follower of the game in europe and would love a forum for discussion here (a place I basically visit everyday anyway).
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 10, 2006, 01:18:32 PM
That sounds like fun.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on July 10, 2006, 02:32:36 PM
Hoops, sure.  Send me some ideas via e-mail.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: CRZK on July 10, 2006, 02:51:33 PM
HIker;

Hope you do keep this board going as well.

Correct me if I misunderstand, is Stinger suggesting defender is not a skill position?  If so I would tend to disagree.  It would seem if Golden Ball goes to individual with greatest impact in World Cup a stronger case would go to Cannavaro or Buffon rather than Zidane.  Agree that Zidane probably got votes for "old times" and curtain call sake.  However with Italys' outstanding defense throughout the World Cup it would seem to argue more for one of them rather than Zidane.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 10, 2006, 03:00:40 PM

Let's not get into that tired american MVP debate here.  Golden Ball goes to best player and Zinedine Zidane has been the best player in the world for the last decade.  He showed he's still got it over the past week and a half; give it to him.  Next stop:  MLS.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on July 10, 2006, 03:04:46 PM
Quote from: Old School on July 09, 2006, 05:48:26 PM

If I'm correct, hockey plays 4 v 4 in OT, then penalty shots.


This is correct for the regular season.  But once Lord Stanley's Playoffs begin, there are no penalty shots.  They play OT after OT until someone scores a goal.  This is where the beautiful game of soccer needs to rethink how matches of this magnitude are decided.  PK's are no way to end a World Cup!

I heard on the radio today a pretty funny comment on something equivalent to ending soccer matches with PK's.  They said it would be like playing the World Series of Poker and getting down to the final 2 at the table and then have them decide the winner by playing War. :)  It's funny when you think about it, but it's also rather truthful.  I just don't see what is so great about working your a$$ off for 120+ minutes only to have the fate of your team come down to your keeper guessing correctly on which way the PK is going to go.  Very anticlimactic end to a World Cup where the referees were talked about more than the play on the field.  I guess it was fitting that this World Cup end this way.

One other note:  I found it rather amusing that Zidane won the Golden Boot.   I know he basically carried France to the finals, but he also put them in a deep hole when he decided to head-butt that guy's chest.  Not a very MVP-like action by Zidane IMO. ::)  I too would've liked to see Cannavaro or Buffon get the nod over Zidane, especially after watching Zidane's lack of judgement in the 2nd OT.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 10, 2006, 03:06:23 PM
On the Italian front....

From what I'm reading and hearing in the media, it seems likely that Juventus will, indeed, be relegated to Serie B in what amounts to a plea deal in the much publicized match-fixing scandal.

OK, that seems like a reasonable punishment.  What about the other teams, though--the ones that have vowed to fight the investigation, proclaiming their innocence?

Any opinions on guilt or innocence, and suggested punishment for infringing on the (ahem) integrity of the game?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 10, 2006, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on July 10, 2006, 03:04:46 PMOne other note:  I found it rather amusing that Zidane won the Golden Boot.  

Just for the sake of clarification, Germany's Klose won the Golden Shoe (sic "boot") Award, essentially given for best scoring performance.  Zidane won the Golden Ball, which--you are correct--is akin to the MVP. 

Just trying to keep the jargon straight.   :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on July 10, 2006, 03:42:53 PM
Just to delay ending the conversation, how much worse would a kick have been than a head-butt? Was Rooney's stomp worse, equal to or better than Zidane's butt? And, I honestly thought Rooney was being wrapped up as he tried to step away. Maybe he wasn't stepping the direction I thought he was going.

although I was shocked to see the (REPLAY of the) Zidane incident (and I personally don't think the fourth official saw anything other than the big screen re-broadcast; let's call it the first use of instant replay) and was deflated by the whole thing, I don't think it ranked with knees in the stomach or back, elbows in the face, cleats on the--well, you know.

It was a stupid move, no argument. I think Zidane wanted out. He signalled substitution when he went down with the shoulder thing, although that didn't look like a hard or particularly twisting hit, either. He looked frustrated more than hurt, and now the coach says he would have liked to sub Zidane out with five minutes left. He probably should have gotten him out of there sooner than that.

At any rate, I thought Italy played a great game, and I don't like Italy. I don't know why I don't like Italy; I guess because it wasn't on my original list of teams I wanted to win. Until the butt, it was a weekend worthwhile for soccer. Saturday's game was good; Sunday's was mostly good.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 10, 2006, 03:47:39 PM
My vote is for "equal to".
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 10, 2006, 04:27:23 PM

Both were frustration shots.  Rooney's might be slightly more understandable as it occurred at the end of an exhausting and quite impressive display by him.  I've seen the replay about 100 times at this point and clearly the defender was trying to wrap him up, and Rooney just kicked him to get out of it.  He knew what he was doing, but I'm not sure he knew he was nailing him square in the groin.

Zidane's move was, well awesome, although no worse, in my mind.  After reading all the speculation, I would guess that the Italian said something very offensive and that Zidane will do the honorable thing and not divulge what it was.  I'm not sure it was "dirty terrorist," but I wouldn't doubt it may have had some racial component to it.  Gallas claims to have heard it and Viera mentioned that the Italians were verbally going at Zidane all game.  The reaction was wrong, but as I said before, it's going to help ratings once he comes to MLS.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: pcarr on July 10, 2006, 04:44:29 PM
I think that Zidane's foul was worse than Rooney's, because it looked to be more pre-meditated.  Rooney's was more in the heat of soccer battle, while Zidane ran off a few yards, before stepping back and head-butting Materazzi. 

While I'm not too vehement in that position, I do strongly consider Zidane's foul the most bone-headed such act in sports history, when the situation is factored in.  Something like Artest going into the stands might have been worse strictly on its own merit.  But this was committed late in the World Cup final.  Considering how France was still attacking even down a man, I'd say Zidane's presence could easily have led to a goal, or at the very least given them more confidence heading into PKs.  I don't care what was said to him (and could it really have been something he hadn't heard before?), the act was the stupidest I've ever seen during a sporting event.  Is there anything that can be compared to this?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on July 10, 2006, 04:52:15 PM
Guesses for what was said:

"Use your head, Zizou"


Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: CRZK on July 10, 2006, 05:06:14 PM
It would be interesting to know what was said to set Zidane off.  However, after all these years of soccer I am at a loss of what could possibly be said to Zidane that he hasn't heard before?

How about:  "All you are good for now is the MLS?"  ;)

Somebody mentioned this earlier, the red card in this case is probably the first use of replay to award a card.  If so I might have to reconsider an earlier comment against the use of replays.  In this case, a clear serious foul, with a clear camera angle and no delay in the game.  Still don't like the general idea of replay but???

For wins--should we go back to golden goal?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Jim Matson on July 10, 2006, 05:11:04 PM
Yes - absolutely.  Play like the Devils and the Stars did a number of years ago for the Stanley Cup - until you are ready to drop.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: pcarr on July 10, 2006, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: CRZK on July 10, 2006, 05:06:14 PMSomebody mentioned this earlier, the red card in this case is probably the first use of replay to award a card. 

Accurate or not, FIFA today said that the replay was not used in deciding to give out a red card.  The French coach suggested that the video board was used, but FIFA denied that, saying it was spotted by the fourth official. 

I say that for the entire knockout phase (or at least the final), get rid of PKs.  Keep playing golden goal overtimes until someone scores.  And give each team an additional sub every OT or two to keep the teams somewhat fresh.  A game-ending goal of any sort would be so much more exciting and satisfying than penalty kicks.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: foul_language on July 10, 2006, 06:08:46 PM
Well, if FIFA says it didn't do it, who am I to say anything... :-X

Somebody might ask the 'fourth official' if he might not have been at least influenced by the replay telecast on four sides of the stadium on screens about the size of tennis courts. In his regular job, that 'fourth official' probably earns a comfortable living as an expert witness.

There I go saying something anyway.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on July 10, 2006, 06:59:29 PM
Quote from: foul_language on July 10, 2006, 04:52:15 PM
Guesses for what was said:


From the BBC

Sources in France say it is believed Materazzi insulted Zidane's family.

Materazzi himself has not spoken publicly about the incident except to deny a claim by Paris-based anti-racism group SOS Racism, made on Monday, that he had called Zidane "a dirty terrorist".

"It is absolutely not true, I did not call him a terrorist. I'm ignorant. I don't even know what the word means," the Italian news agency Ansa quoted Materazzi as saying after the Italian team returned to Rome.



I have a feeling this isn't going to die down soon.

Kind of refreshing to here an athlete call himself ignorant though ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: sac on July 10, 2006, 07:06:43 PM
After England's FA Cup final it was debated whether a 4th substitute should be allowed in OT games.  That game also had a number of players cramping up in the final 15 minutes, infact West Ham could have won except their striker was so badly cramping he missed a virtual point blank shot that would have won the game.  The final 15 minutes was pretty poor football and unfortunately was also decided on penalty kicks.

Perhaps they should consider experimenting with an extra sub for each 15 minute period or something.  They could even get rid of the offsides rule for OT games, that would surely get a quick resolution.

Championship games deserve a true champion.  Can  you imagine the super bowl being decided by alternating FG kicks or the NBA finals being settled with FT's.

Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2006, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: foul_language on July 10, 2006, 04:52:15 PM
Guesses for what was said:

"Use your head, Zizou"

+k for you!  (Don't take things so literally, Zizou!)

Several French players have been reported saying that the Italians (especially Materazzi) had been baiting Zidane the whole game, going well beyond the usual bounds of 'trash talk'.  (Which is certainly NOT to excuse the inexcusable, especially from the captain.)

I still say it is all Buffon's fault.  If he hadn't made that save at the end of the first OT... ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2006, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: sac on July 10, 2006, 07:06:43 PM

Championship games deserve a true champion.  Can  you imagine ... the NBA finals being settled with FT's.

Between Shaq and Big Ben!  (OT might be quicker than waiting for one of them to make one!) ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: ScotsFan on July 10, 2006, 08:02:58 PM
What a surprise.  The French are whining because someone called them names.  ::) :-*
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 10, 2006, 09:21:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 10, 2006, 12:51:07 PM
Hiker Jim,

Are you going to create a pro soccer convo board on here for some debate now that the WC is over?  I'm not really in a position to get involved in d3 soccer at the moment, but I am a follower of the game in europe and would love a forum for discussion here (a place I basically visit everyday anyway).

I'd suggest just using this board.  Obviously this board isn't going to be used for another 2 years (we can talk about qualifying!), so instead of opening up another one, this would suffice, IMO.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2006, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Old School on July 10, 2006, 09:21:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 10, 2006, 12:51:07 PM
Hiker Jim,

Are you going to create a pro soccer convo board on here for some debate now that the WC is over?  I'm not really in a position to get involved in d3 soccer at the moment, but I am a follower of the game in europe and would love a forum for discussion here (a place I basically visit everyday anyway).

I'd suggest just using this board.  Obviously this board isn't going to be used for another 2 years (we can talk about qualifying!), so instead of opening up another one, this would suffice, IMO.

I concur with using this board - that way we can occasionally check old posts if so inclined.  Plus, if you just drop the 2006 from the name, there WILL be news from time to time about coaching changes, retirements, emerging 2010 players, etc.  (I'd guess that the question of the USA coach (Arena, Klinnsman, Hiddinck, other?) and whether Adu will play for USA or Ghana would be worth several pages, aside from whatever else may arise.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 11, 2006, 07:25:31 AM
Quote from: CRZK on July 10, 2006, 02:51:33 PM
Correct me if I misunderstand, is Stinger suggesting defender is not a skill position?  If so I would tend to disagree. 

I have to choose my words more carefully.  I played defender as well and it's definitely a skill position, despite the fact I said it wasn't.  I should've used "glamour" position, when it came to my opinion on Zidane getting it over Canavarro.  In football, for example, QB, RB, WR and CB are all "skill" positions, while lineman, LB etc aren't considered that.  IMO, I felt that Zidane got it because it's more of a glamour position, rather than defender.  Even goalie is a glamour position.  Ironically, I think that defender is the hardest position to play and, for a lot of teams, the hardest to fill. 

On Fox Sports World Report, they released these polls conducted by FIFA:

Most Entertaining:

Portugal!  47%
Italy 41%
Germany 4%

Fair Play:

Brazil and Spain tied

Lev Yashin (best goalie)

Buffon...of course.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 11, 2006, 07:35:45 AM
ON soccernet.com

Materazzi admits to insulting Zidane (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373706&cc=5739)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2006, 09:09:01 AM

Nice insult by Matterazzi, just classic.  Probably not worth a headbutt, but then again it was probably the 900th insult of that nature Zidane got from him that night.  If it had been a regular match and not the WC final, I think the headbutt would have been totally justified.

I'm in favor of doing the two 15 minute OT's and then Golden goal with one extra sub every 30 minutes.  I know none of the players like Golden Goal, but they have to prefer it to penalties.  The other option that no Americans will like because, well, its rather unAmerican, is to just use some other measure to determine the winner like total goals scored in the tournament or goal differential, etc if they end in a draw.  We Americans think that sounds unfair (me included) but those type of things aren't too uncommon in Europe.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 11, 2006, 09:47:08 AM
Does anyone else think Matterazzi's claims are any more genuine than Sammy Sosa's forgetting how to speak English in front of Congress?   :)

I love it!  It doesn't make Zidane less wrong, but I love it nonetheless!
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2006, 11:15:32 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure why he'd need to say he doesn't know what a terrorist is.  Maybe its a translation problem; lets hope so.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 11, 2006, 11:33:30 AM
Not just that, HoopsFan--he said he doesn't know what an Islamic Terrorist is.   ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 11, 2006, 11:42:35 AM
Does anyone else find it odd the way Matterazzi went down like a stone from the headbutt?  Please answer this ... what major American sport has guys backing down when confronted (other that R. Artest running from B. Wallace) ... or even worse, pretending the blow hurt them more than it really did?

Matterazzi's a wuss.  I hope no one bumps him at Circus Maximus, he may cry.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2006, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 11, 2006, 11:42:35 AM
Does anyone else find it odd the way Matterazzi went down like a stone from the headbutt?  Please answer this ... what major American sport has guys backing down when confronted (other that R. Artest running from B. Wallace) ... or even worse, pretending the blow hurt them more than it really did?

Matterazzi's a wuss.  I hope no one bumps him at Circus Maximus, he may cry.

Pedro famously ran to first base to hide behind Mo Vaughn when someone charged the mound.

You also see, with the emrgence of Euro stars in the NBA, a lot more flops than you used to.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that American sports don't have much break in the action.  In soccer, you go down hard, you might get the call, you might not, but the dive doesn't cost your team anything.  If a WR hams up a penalty and doesn't get the call, you might see an interception.
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2006, 12:29:30 PM
With regard to using technology to help the officials, ESPN Soccernet's England correspondent Billy Bragg (http://proxy.espn.go.com/et/corr/corrview?id=448&leagueCup=fifa.world&cc=%) offers this:

"I certainly see no reason why, if the linesman is unsure of an offside, the game cannot be allowed to continue while TV analyses the play. If a goal is scored but the move shown to be offside then a free kick can simply be awarded. In essence, this is little different from what happens now except the play is stopped while the forward remonstrates with the officials."

This makes sense to me, and it wouldn't stop the flow of the game, which is what a lot of people have been afraid of.
Title: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 12:38:17 PM
Renaming the board.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2006, 12:52:36 PM

Yeah, for offsides that makes a ton of sense, but for things like fouls, cards, diving, etc I'm not so sure how well it would work.

Example:  Player A (carrying a yellow card from the first half) makes a blatant dive near, but not in the box in the 67th minute.  A foul is called and play continues as the fourth official reviews the play on the monitor.  In the 68th minute, Player A scores a goal on a header from a corner kick.  In the 69th minute the fourth official decides that the dive was eggregious enough to deserve a yellow card and thus a red card.  What happens to the goal?

Granted, I think it is a fine idea for offsides, so long as they have a specific amount of time to decide (90 seconds maybe).  Any longer than that and not knowing whether your goal counts or not changes strategy quite a bit.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2006, 01:54:47 PM
Yes, I think you're right, it would be very tricky.  Probably that's why so little progress has been made to date.  This was just one of the few suggestions I'd seen that did seem to make some sense.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 02:36:28 PM
QuoteIn soccer, you go down hard, you might get the call, you might not, but the dive doesn't cost your team anything

Actually, it could. While the actor is flopping around on the ground, his team is effectively playing a player short. I think opposing teams should really take advantage of that and drive to the net. Assuming the flop doesn't convince the ref, the down player has to hustle his butt to get back into the action.

20+ years ago, the coach would yell at kids who liked to slide tackle all the time, telling them they were taking themselves out of the play if they didn't actually get the ball. Most of them weren't that proficient, so that's about all they accomplished: giving the other team a one-player advantage until he or she scrambled to his or her feet and got back into the game.

Granted, professionals are better at slide tackles, but diving ends up affecting teams about the same way missed slide tackles do.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2006, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 02:36:28 PM

... While the actor is flopping around on the ground, his team is effectively playing a player short. I think opposing teams should really take advantage of that and drive to the net....

And this is where soccer could be in danger of losing that nice sportmanship touch, where the team with the ball kicks it out (even if the team with a man advantage has it), and then the team with the "injured" player gives it back once the player is up.  It only works if both teams do their best to stay on their feet.

One of the big brouhahas (I think it was Deco's second yellow card) in the Portugal-Holland game followed Holland's not kicking it out when a Portugal player went down.  I think it's why Fifa are so keen to address the issue of diving.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2006, 03:37:49 PM
Oops--I meant "side," not "team" in the previous post.  Gotta keep my terminology straight. :)

Was anyone else surprised that Portugal was named "most entertaining" side in the Cup?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 03:58:12 PM
This issue of correct terminology is interesting. Is it 'pitch' and 'side' and 'boots' in all languages or only in the queen's English? If we're going with correct terminology, we'd best be figuring out where the game originated and use that language. Right? I hope it didn't originate in Wales...

One website suggests it originated in China some 3,000 years ago. I wondered what they played on.

I guess I'm wondering why British terminology trumps all other terminology?

Asking out of ignorance not contrariness.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 11, 2006, 04:28:26 PM
I only mentioned it yesterday to help differentiate two seperate awards.   :)

Strictly from a "Queen's English" perspective, my English friend has always referred to the trunk of his car as "the boot", so who knows!?!?!?!?   8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2006, 04:45:57 PM

OK then.  I've been americanizing my terminology for this board since post people use "soccer," but now that we have a dedicated board, I'm done with it.


It's football, we've got footballers playing on a side atop the pitch wearing boots and kits.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 04:48:05 PM
I hate the term 'nil' >:(. What is a 'nil', anyway? Some tense of 'null'? Future plu-perfect? I can live with 'pitch' and 'boots' and 'side.' 'Nil' is just plain pretentious. 'Boot' could be confusing if you're talking about putting someone into it; it would make a difference in court if you were talking about shoes rather than the trunk of the car.

Did I spell 'pretentious' right?
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 11, 2006, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 11, 2006, 11:42:35 AM
Does anyone else find it odd the way Matterazzi went down like a stone from the headbutt?

I'll have to totally disagree with this.  This wasn't any love tap of a head butt.  This was a full fledged "near head start run" head butt square into the chest of the player.  If anything, I'd go down like a stone simply because I got the wind knocked out of me.  And, as we can all see, Zidane's head isn't small.

I'll have to find a replay of it again, but I don't actually remember Matarazzi actually "backing down/away" from Zidane.  

I think what the insult was will always be speculation.  I don't think Zidane will ever say exactly what it was and Matarazzi won't ever admit exactly what he said.  For my money, there's only one thing that would make me "throw down".  

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2006, 03:37:49 PM
Was anyone else surprised that Portugal was named "most entertaining" side in the Cup?

Like the reporters on FSC World Report, I was VERY surprised that Portugal was voted the most entertaining.  Of course, watching Ronaldo flop around like a fish might be entertaining to some...and those sweet step overs are entertaining the few times it happened.  I think the poll shows how disappointing Brazil was.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 11, 2006, 04:45:57 PM

OK then. I've been americanizing my terminology for this board since post people use "soccer," but now that we have a dedicated board, I'm done with it.


It's football, we've got footballers playing on a side atop the pitch wearing boots and kits.

lol!  I think "a kit" and "strips" are the same thing.  ;D

I like Nil.  :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2006
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 11, 2006, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 11, 2006, 11:42:35 AM
Does anyone else find it odd the way Matterazzi went down like a stone from the headbutt?


Quote from: Old School on July 11, 2006, 04:55:06 PM
I'll have to totally disagree with this.  This wasn't any love tap of a head butt.  This was a full fledged "near head start run" head butt square into the chest of the player.  If anything, I'd go down like a stone simply because I got the wind knocked out of me.  And, as we can all see, Zidane's head isn't small.

I'll have to find a replay of it again, but I don't actually remember Matarazzi actually "backing down/away" from Zidane.   


Fair enough. 

It's very possible that Matarazzi had no idea what was coming and was not ready for it.  In America, the charge is usually followed with blows . . . maybe that's rare in Euroville . . . they're all bark and no bite.

Matarazzi certainly didn't go after Zidane.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 11, 2006, 07:15:46 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 11, 2006, 05:54:27 PM
Fair enough. 

It's very possible that Matarazzi had no idea what was coming and was not ready for it.  In America, the charge is usually followed with blows . . . maybe that's rare in Euroville . . . they're all bark and no bite.

I think the biggest difference between soccer and any other sport like baseball, football, basketball, hockey etc, is that if one player is ejected, that team is allowed to replace that player.  If Matarazzi retaliates, or any other player comes in and puts a wheel house to Zidane, they get ejected and Italy plays with 10, 9 or even 8 players, if a brawl ensues. 

Zidane headbutts, gets red carded...advantage Italy. 

Obviously in baseball, if someone throws at some else or looks at someone else in a bad way, you're basically obligated to join in the brawl...same with hockey and even basketball. 

There would be a lot more fights/retaliations in soccer if a coach sends out a goon to "send a message" with the knowledge that he can be replaced with another player.

How would American sports handle it if a brawl insues in baseball and then they can only play with 2 outfielders and 3 infielders because the centerfielder and the 2nd baseman got ejected?  ??? ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 11, 2006, 07:34:57 PM
Not being able to replace a ejected player certainly would dramatically change baseball strategy, since (I would imagine) the pitcher is the most often ejected position!  (At which position, I wonder, would teams place their 'emergency' pitcher, since THAT position would now be empty?)

But I would guess it would drastically reduce the number of hit batters!

I don't think it could work very well in basketball - 10v11 is one thing, but at 4v5 you may as well just call a forfeit on the offending team!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 11, 2006, 09:04:11 PM
Klinsmann steps down as Germany coach (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AkG2CEwEqcQzaionQhlyjlkmw7YF?slug=ap-germany-klinsmann&prov=ap&type=lgns)...

To the US?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 11, 2006, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: Old School on July 11, 2006, 09:04:11 PM
Klinsmann steps down as Germany coach (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AkG2CEwEqcQzaionQhlyjlkmw7YF?slug=ap-germany-klinsmann&prov=ap&type=lgns)...

To the US?

After the unexpected success, I doubt he would resign without a new job lined up.

Whether or not that new job is here, I don't know (but he is a Californian, so it seems a likely guess).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on July 11, 2006, 09:19:16 PM
Just read that about Klinsmann.  Im sure the process will get started soon. I'd like to see the US get into more competitions, like the Gold Cup.  They just can't depend on friendlies and qualifiers to get them prepared.

I read Cannavaro is close to reaching a deal with Real Madrid.  C. Ronaldo and Cannavaro, my two least favorite players from Germany '06.  At least with Capello they may able to snag a couple more players from the Serie A.

Any of you looking at the MLS all-star game in Chicago's new stadium?  Chelsea will be coming to town, and it will be interesting to see which of their superstars will have recovered to make the trip.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2006, 11:50:21 PM
The terminology question is interesting.  I usually try to use the terms the Brits use because I follow the English Premier League, and it's easier in conversation.  But sometimes out of context I forget.   

I don't know that the English terms are any more "correct" than those of any other language, but a lot of English-speaking football supporters use them. 

Interestingly, "nil" is one of the terms my entire family have gotten used to; last fall my daughter used it to describe the score of an American football game. :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 12, 2006, 08:32:12 AM
Quote from: stinger on July 11, 2006, 09:19:16 PM
Just read that about Klinsmann.  Im sure the process will get started soon. I'd like to see the US get into more competitions, like the Gold Cup.  They just can't depend on friendlies and qualifiers to get them prepared.

I read Cannavaro is close to reaching a deal with Real Madrid.  C. Ronaldo and Cannavaro, my two least favorite players from Germany '06.  At least with Capello they may able to snag a couple more players from the Serie A.

Any of you looking at the MLS all-star game in Chicago's new stadium?  Chelsea will be coming to town, and it will be interesting to see which of their superstars will have recovered to make the trip.

Don't they always play in the Gold Cup?

Why don't you like Canavarro?

I looked into getting tix for the All-Star game, but at the time, I had to buy a four pack (three other games or something like that).  I don't if "single game" tix are available...I also doubt that any player that participated in the knock out stages of the WC would be included in the Chelsea lineup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 12, 2006, 09:04:49 AM

Yeah, I think the US gets into whatever tournaments they qualify for.  It's not like there are invitationals out there.

Klinsmann says he's burned out, but I can imagine much less stress coaching US football.  He doesn't have to fly ten hours each way to get to practice and he really needs to be scouting our young guys in MLS anyway.  He did really well at the Cup with a very young team, leaving off five veterans.  He's a great fit.

The new President of Real said hee had private talks with several players before he was elected, but now he has to deal with their clubs to actually get them.  He talked about C Ronaldo, Kaka and a few others I'm forgetting now.

Most likely with punative relegation, the entire Juventus roster will be essentially free agents; it could make for one fun summer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 12, 2006, 09:06:13 AM

I don't think too many of the Chelsea stars who made the Quarters of the World Cup will be there.  I remember Man U's last big US tour and the big names only played one match each and rarely with each other.

You'll probably see a lot of young guys and new signings at the match.  Mikel from Norway (I think), is a young guy with a lot of talent.  I'd like to see him play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 12, 2006, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: stinger on July 11, 2006, 09:19:16 PM
I read Cannavaro is close to reaching a deal with Real Madrid.  C. Ronaldo and Cannavaro, my two least favorite players from Germany '06. 

I can agree with you about CRon, but why your dislike of Cannavaro?  It's hard to argue, IMHO, that he's the best defender out there right now.  And I didn't see anything in his play that would lead me to think he is a dirty player.  Just wondering what Cannavaro did to get in your doghouse?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 12, 2006, 07:14:15 PM
If anyone is in the area, single game tickets are available for the MLS all-star game in Chicago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on July 13, 2006, 07:56:22 AM
 
Quote

.  Just wondering what Cannavaro did to get in your doghouse?
[

All based on the US game. On two seperate occasions he fell to the ground in "pain" as the US team was making a counter attack. Both times the US kicked it out and had to start over.  I thought it was bush.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 13, 2006, 08:36:05 AM
Can't say I recall those incidents you refer to with Cannavaro, but then again, I was so enfuriated with the ref in that contest that I could have overlooked Cannavaro's actions.  I will say,  if you want to talk bush, the Ghanaians were falling like timber in the 2nd half of the US game and the US would oblige and kick it out every time.  Faking injuries to eat clock and preserve your lead is bush.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 13, 2006, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on July 13, 2006, 08:36:05 AM
Can't say I recall those incidents you refer to with Cannavaro, but then again, I was so enfuriated with the ref in that contest that I could have overlooked Cannavaro's actions.  I will say,  if you want to talk bush, the Ghanaians were falling like timber in the 2nd half of the US game and the US would oblige and kick it out every time.  Faking injuries to eat clock and preserve your lead is bush.


Yeah, but sucking it up and playing the ball out despite the obvious dives and time wasting earned our guys a lot of respect.  You see even some of the big Euro squads that get annoyed and stop doing it.  So long as we keep our sportsmanlike attitudes on the pitch, even when the other team doesn't deserve it, we'll keep building the respect we need to succeed.

DC United 4-0 Celtic in DC and Celtic played at about 80% strength.  Not a bad result.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 14, 2006, 12:28:43 PM
Bruce Arena is officially out as US Team coach.  Let the speculation on his replacement officially begin!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373876&cc=5901

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: gobombers15 on July 14, 2006, 01:20:31 PM
I don't think there will be much speculation considering this announcement comes on the heels of Klinsmann walking away from Germany. Hmmm, let's see here, Klinsmann lives in Southern California, Team USA does a lot of their practicing there, he just led Germany to a 3rd place finish, and this has been talked about for weeks. The writing is on the wall.

I look forward to seeing what Klinsmann brings to the U.S. team. The team should be a lot more innovative and creative with their attack. I mean, the guy made Germany fun to watch. The US needs it, too, they looked like a high school trying to attack.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 14, 2006, 01:33:42 PM
I hope that we can get a coach the calibre of Klinsmann, I'm just not convinced that it will happen.  It would be nice to be proven wrong on this front, though.

ESPN's website has some interesting scenarios--Klinsmann being one.  My guess is that it will be either Carlos Queiroz or Frank Yallop, but it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: CRZK on July 14, 2006, 02:37:07 PM
Went to the espn website and reviewed some of the recent stories from Canales.  Found them to be quite interesting.  Don't know much about the other two guys (Queiroz or Yallop) but liked what I read about Klinsmann.

With the lack of goal scoring and attacking soccer in much of the World Cup it would seem that the US needs a coach with an attacking mentality.  The cautious type of play that we exhibted along with other folks packing the back line and midfield created boring low risk soccer and resulted in situations when a team went down by a goal an inability to get back into the game.  Reminds me of several years ago when China packed the box against the US Women.  So, it would seem the powers that be should take a different approach like that which Klinsmann seems to offer.

By the way watched Landon play against KC a couple of weeks ago.  I have to say I was not impressed.  He did score off a great cross but other than that did not seem to be able to take charge of the game and make things happen.  Jet lag and tired--maybe?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 14, 2006, 03:20:23 PM
We need a coach who can identify young players and develop them.  Quieroz would be fantastic at doing this (as he's proven as an assistant at ManU for a while now), but he was also a dismal failure in his one year as head coach and I'm not sure his style would be right for our guys.

Ideal situation: bring in Klinsmann to amp our offense and hire a couple of out of work talent-evaluators to find our next generation of stars and steer them in the right direction developmentally.  You can get some of those guys as "consultants" for a few months or a year and it would really help our development.


Guus Hiddink can do both of those things mentioned above, but Russia has supposedly locked him up months ago.  Klinsmann would be a good replacement.  I also would like Van Baasten; I don't think Holland will keep him on.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: David Collinge on July 14, 2006, 09:28:27 PM
According to the front page of D3Hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/), it looks like former UW-River Falls star forward Rich Melzer has signed a contract with Tottenham Hotspur.  Finally a solid D3 presence in the EPL!

What's that, Pat?  San Antonio, you say?  Oh.

Never mind.   :-[
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 14, 2006, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on July 14, 2006, 09:28:27 PM
According to the front page of D3Hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/), it looks like former UW-River Falls star forward Rich Melzer has signed a contract with Tottenham Hotspur.  Finally a solid D3 presence in the EPL!

What's that, Pat?  San Antonio, you say?  Oh.

Never mind.   :-[

Very nice!

I think the U.S. has gained respect in the last 6-8 years or whatever, despite the poor showing in this year's World Cup.  Back when they signed Arena, I think he was both the best coach available and the only "international" coach that thought the US job was attractive.

Now that the US has kind of become a player on the international level, I think there are a lot more options for coaches.  Back in time, there is no way someone like Klinsmann would even consider coaching the US team (if he is even considering it now). 

I saw that Yallop was a consideration, but I think it's best for the US team to pick someone "outside the family".  Yallop has played in MLS and has coached in MLS.  I think we need to go in a totally different direction and pick someone "outside the box".  Quieroz has done wonders under Sir Alex Ferguson (but apparently can't coach Real Madrid!).  Guus Hiddink could also be a possibility.  Though Russia has "claimed" him for sometime now, it's nothing that money can't fix.  Look internationally and give the US team a whole new look.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: gobombers15 on July 15, 2006, 01:44:32 AM
Recently talked to a friend who is in Europe for the summer. He is in London right now and gave me some inside info on who will be playing for Chelsea in the MLS All-Star Game. This is based on an interview with Jose Mourinho that he read in the Evening Times.

Almost definitely won't be playing:
-Carvalho (Portugal)
-Paulo Ferreira (Portugal)
-Ballack (Germany)
-Shevchenko (Ukraine)
-Makelele (France)
-Gallas (France)

All of those players besides Shevchenko made the Semi-Finals of the World Cup. Shevchenko has been battling nagging injuries so it's understandable why he will not be playing

Most likely will not be playing...
-Frank Lampard (England)
-Hernan Crespo (Argentina)
-Petr Cech (going to play newly acquired Henrique Hilario...backup for Portugal)
-Arjen Robben (Netherlands)


May play, but most likely not...
-Joe Cole (England)
-del Horno (Spain)
-John Terry (England)

I can see Terry playing but given that he played every minute of England's matches and that he's far too important for Chelsea's chances to make a threepeat, he may just stay home for this one.

Will most likely make the trip and get some playing time...

-Didier Drogba (Ivory Coast)
-Michael Essien (Ghana)

Essien played in each of Ghana's three preliminary round matches but missed the Brazil match due to accumulated yellow cards. Drogba missed the Ivory Coast's third and final first round match due to accumulated yellow cards.

I think we'll see those two players see the field. Other than that, it's going to  be Chelsea's reserves.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 15, 2006, 07:44:17 AM
Nice work gobombers15!

That's too bad that the American public won't see thee Chelsea in person...then again, I don't feel bad for them at all since I was at Soldier Field when Manchester United showed up with a second-string squad...man, I was pissed!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 16, 2006, 08:09:48 PM
I know there is a women's soccer board, but no 'room' for the national team (and precious few readers anyway).

The US national team beat perennial contender Sweden yesterday in an exhibition - one WILD finish!  Tied 1-1 after 88 minutes (in near 100 degree conditions, despite being just north of Minneapolis), the US scored a goal in the 89th minute, Sweden countered with a goal in the 91st minute, then Kristine Lilley got the winner in the 92nd minute!

Amazing anyone could still MOVE by then with those temperatures.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: gobombers15 on July 16, 2006, 11:44:39 PM
Hey now, the Midwest gets real hot in the summer. Remember what happened to Korey Stringer, the offensive tackle for the Vikings, a few years ago in that Minnesota summer heat.

When I played soccer, I found it easier to score at the end of games played in high temperatures. It just seems like EVERYONE is tired and players get sloppy. Sloppiness by the defense usually hurts a lot more than the same from the offensive players.

I hated games played in the freezing weather. Trying to get a good strike on a ball that's frozen when you can no longer feel any of your extremities makes things real difficult.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 17, 2006, 08:00:41 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 16, 2006, 08:09:48 PM
I know there is a women's soccer board, but no 'room' for the national team (and precious few readers anyway).

True enough.  We can talk women's soccer here!  They are much better looking than the men.

I think I saw highlights of that exibition game.  As you mentioned, the score was tied in the 88th minute, but you forgot about the part where Mia Hamm headbutts the Swedish defender with 10 minutes to go...and after Lilly scored to win the winner, Brandi Chastain tore off her jersey and ran around in her sports bra showing off those amazing abs!  Oh wait a minute, I think that was a dream...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 17, 2006, 09:41:07 AM

I think for that Chelsea match you'll see the likes of:

Hilario in goal (thanks to bombers for that one)

Drogba and/or Shawn-Wright Phillips up front

Damien Duff, Geremi, Essien, John Mikel in midfield

and four defenders you've never heard of (although I think Del horno may play)


It will still be a pretty formidable squad, albeit much easier for the MLS guys to deal with, especially if we have an MLS ref.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 17, 2006, 10:18:35 AM
Quote from: Old School on July 14, 2006, 10:13:48 PM
Back when they signed Arena, I think he was both the best coach available and the only "international" coach that thought the US job was attractive.


Arena wasn't an international coach.  He was just the DC United coach, but also unquestionably the best American coach anywhere.  He still is, but it international football, 4 years is about all one coach can be expected to do without a drop in output.

It will be Klinsmann; everyone says its a done deal.  Even Donovon came out the other day and said "Do you think they'd let Bruce go before they had the next guy in place?"
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 17, 2006, 09:16:13 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on July 16, 2006, 11:44:39 PM
Hey now, the Midwest gets real hot in the summer. Remember what happened to Korey Stringer, the offensive tackle for the Vikings, a few years ago in that Minnesota summer heat.

When I played soccer, I found it easier to score at the end of games played in high temperatures. It just seems like EVERYONE is tired and players get sloppy. Sloppiness by the defense usually hurts a lot more than the same from the offensive players.

I hated games played in the freezing weather. Trying to get a good strike on a ball that's frozen when you can no longer feel any of your extremities makes things real difficult.

I concur with everything you said.

Having grown up in Peoria, IL, I'm well aware of midwest heat waves, but I suspect they hadn't anticipated upper 90's when they scheduled the exhibition in Blaine, MN!  (I didn't realize the heat wave was nationwide until I saw the paper today - 115 in Pierrre, SD, yesterday!)

I agree that extreme heat favors the offense.  First goal I ever scored in a competitive game (as a rookie at age 46 - that's how late I came to soccer!) was in extreme heat.  I curved a ball right into the upper left corner of the goal (idiot that I am, I admitted to people that it was intended as a pass!  Fortunately, I scored an INTENDED goal later that same game.).

I've always figured that the ideal temperature for players is about 10 degrees cooler than the ideal for spectators:  early spring or late fall, about 55 degrees; May thru October, about 65 degrees.  (Of course, good luck on getting in a game at 65 degrees in July or August!)  Although extreme heat may be more dangerous, if I had to choose I'd take it over 34 degrees and windy (including games played in snow and/or sleet).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 17, 2006, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 17, 2006, 09:41:07 AM

I think for that Chelsea match you'll see the likes of:
Drogba and/or Shawn-Wright Phillips up front

and four defenders you've never heard of (although I think Del horno may play)

That's if Del Horno doesn't sign with Valencia first.  Also, SWP is more of a winger, so Drogba may be up front by himself.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 17, 2006, 11:00:38 PM
Quote from: Old School on July 17, 2006, 08:00:41 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 16, 2006, 08:09:48 PM
I know there is a women's soccer board, but no 'room' for the national team (and precious few readers anyway).

True enough.  We can talk women's soccer here!  They are much better looking than the men.

I think I saw highlights of that exibition game.  As you mentioned, the score was tied in the 88th minute, but you forgot about the part where Mia Hamm headbutts the Swedish defender with 10 minutes to go...and after Lilly scored to win the winner, Brandi Chastain tore off her jersey and ran around in her sports bra showing off those amazing abs!  Oh wait a minute, I think that was a dream...

Alas, Mia has retired (and Brandi too?).  But you DO have much more interesting dreams than I do! ;)

Mia had the intensity of Zizou, but better control.  I doubt she ever head-butted an opponent, and am pretty sure her red-card lifetime total was very close to zero.  But you're right about the looks - Nomar is one lucky dude (Mia Hamm is very high on my list of sexiest women who ever lived). ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 18, 2006, 08:45:40 AM
Quote from: Old School on July 17, 2006, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 17, 2006, 09:41:07 AM

I think for that Chelsea match you'll see the likes of:
Drogba and/or Shawn-Wright Phillips up front

and four defenders you've never heard of (although I think Del horno may play)

That's if Del Horno doesn't sign with Valencia first.  Also, SWP is more of a winger, so Drogba may be up front by himself.

Yeah, Del Hornor may be out.  SWP is listed a striker on Chelsea's roster, so I went with it.  I know he plays wing for the national teams.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 18, 2006, 08:48:15 AM
Quote from: gobombers15 on July 15, 2006, 01:44:32 AM
Recently talked to a friend who is in Europe for the summer. He is in London right now and gave me some inside info on who will be playing for Chelsea in the MLS All-Star Game. This is based on an interview with Jose Mourinho that he read in the Evening Times.

Almost definitely won't be playing:
-Carvalho (Portugal)
-Paulo Ferreira (Portugal)
-Ballack (Germany)
-Shevchenko (Ukraine)
-Makelele (France)
-Gallas (France)

All of those players besides Shevchenko made the Semi-Finals of the World Cup. Shevchenko has been battling nagging injuries so it's understandable why he will not be playing

Most likely will not be playing...
-Frank Lampard (England)
-Hernan Crespo (Argentina)
-Petr Cech (going to play newly acquired Henrique Hilario...backup for Portugal)
-Arjen Robben (Netherlands)


May play, but most likely not...
-Joe Cole (England)
-del Horno (Spain)
-John Terry (England)

I can see Terry playing but given that he played every minute of England's matches and that he's far too important for Chelsea's chances to make a threepeat, he may just stay home for this one.

Will most likely make the trip and get some playing time...

-Didier Drogba (Ivory Coast)
-Michael Essien (Ghana)

Essien played in each of Ghana's three preliminary round matches but missed the Brazil match due to accumulated yellow cards. Drogba missed the Ivory Coast's third and final first round match due to accumulated yellow cards.

I think we'll see those two players see the field. Other than that, it's going to  be Chelsea's reserves.


Considering Robben went out in the round 2 loss to The Netherlands, I would think he'd play.  He lost so much time last year due to injury, he needs to put himself back in Mourinho's radar.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cole and Lampard play as well - particularly Cole.  Not sure if he'll be considered the odd man out with Ballack brought in, but he needs to show well in preseason to get minutes.

Chelsea plays their first game 2 weeks after the all-star game I believe, so they'll want to be ready.  At least publicly, they've stated that Chelsea only plays games to win, so I assume they'll put out a fairly strong squad.  Quite frankly, they can't help but put out a strong squad because they don't carry any weak players.  Putting out a strong team would only make sense because they're still trying to market their name in the U.S.  Even though they're currently a better side than Man U and Arsenal, they don't have as strong of a marketing imprint.  Peter Kenyon knows that Americans like winners, so they need to play well, unlike Fulham last year.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 18, 2006, 08:49:43 AM

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Considering Robben went out in the round 2 loss to The Netherlands, I would think he'd play.  He lost so much time last year due to injury, he needs to put himself back in Mourinho's radar.
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meant The Netherlands lost to Portugal
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 18, 2006, 08:55:54 AM


Ballack and Cole play different positions and Cole more than proved himself at the Cup.  He definately exceeded expectations.

I assume they'll go with Robben and Sheva up front, Lampard and Ballack in the middle with Joe Cole and Essein/Makelele (crazy that they have to choose between those two), with Terry, Gallas, Carvalho and Fererria in the back.


I expect you'll see replacements for Lampard, Ballack, Cole, Terry, Gallas and Carvalho (with Makelele also sitting) when they play MLS.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 18, 2006, 11:19:03 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 18, 2006, 08:55:54 AM


Ballack and Cole play different positions and Cole more than proved himself at the Cup.  He definately exceeded expectations.

I assume they'll go with Robben and Sheva up front, Lampard and Ballack in the middle with Joe Cole and Essein/Makelele (crazy that they have to choose between those two), with Terry, Gallas, Carvalho and Fererria in the back.


I expect you'll see replacements for Lampard, Ballack, Cole, Terry, Gallas and Carvalho (with Makelele also sitting) when they play MLS.

Personally, I think Cole had a very average W.C. considering he only a goal and an assist to his name.  Cole did lots of fancy dribbling, but he never did strike me as that dangerous in the final 1/3 of the field.  Just my opinion.  Of course, Sven's tactics with a single striker didn't help much.

I'm not sure what Mourinho's strategy will be for this coming year.  He typically plays with one formal striker (Drogba/Crespo) with attacking midfielders pushing up (Robben/Duff) and sometimes inserting a more formal second forward (Eidur Gudjohnsen (spelling?) but now with Barcelona).  Sheva brings a different element to the forward group, so will be interesting to see what he does...

The one thing that is for certain - the midfield has a lot of talent with limited spots:  http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp?article=249900&Title=Squad&lid=Navigation+-+Players&sub=Squad&nav=&sublid=

Of course, there's rumors that Duff may be on his way out.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 19, 2006, 08:11:54 AM
Quote from: Gotberg on July 18, 2006, 11:19:03 PM
Personally, I think Cole had a very average W.C. considering he only a goal and an assist to his name.  Cole did lots of fancy dribbling, but he never did strike me as that dangerous in the final 1/3 of the field.  Just my opinion.  Of course, Sven's tactics with a single striker didn't help much.

I thought Cole was impressive.  Everytime he got the ball, he looked dangerous, at least dangerous compared to any other English player in the W.C.  One goal and an assist is substantial considering how many goals England actually scored! lol.  Besides, I really thought his goal was one of the goals of the tourney. 

Can you name another English player that had a better tourney or looked more dangerous on the ball?  Hargraves had a very good tourney.

Just my opinion.  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 19, 2006, 08:41:09 AM
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I thought Cole was impressive.  Everytime he got the ball, he looked dangerous, at least dangerous compared to any other English player in the W.C.  One goal and an assist is substantial considering how many goals England actually scored! lol.  Besides, I really thought his goal was one of the goals of the tourney. 

Can you name another English player that had a better tourney or looked more dangerous on the ball?  Hargraves had a very good tourney.

Just my opinion.  :D
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For some reason Cole just reminded me of Cobi Jones circa 1994.  Run hard/fast/dribble well, then not know what to do with the ball when it actually counts.  I don't think he played poor, but not that great either.  I agree that it was a great goal, but with any goal like that - there's an element of luck (goalkeeper positioning etc).  I saw that game at O'Hare waiting for my flight to head to the World Cup.  Was fun as there were lots of Brits watching the game with me that were also heading over....

I also agree that England played poor and Cole stood out in comparison to his midfield mates, but that's not saying much :)

Agreed, Hargreaves was probably the overall best player for England during the WC.  Too bad he ended up playing a lot at right back.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 19, 2006, 09:02:32 AM


Yeah, Duff will be gone at Chelsea.  He's good, but probably not as intense as he would need to be to compete for regular playing time in that midfield.  Do you think Chelsea could be the first team ever to play 2-7-1 this season?


It pains me to hear any world class footballer compared to Cobi Jones (not that Cobi hasn't done his best).  Every England fan I know thought Cole was the top performer of the Cup for their squad (outside Hargreaves, but no one in England likes him enough to admit that).  He certainly played above expectations as did Crouch, in my opinion.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 19, 2006, 10:36:43 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 19, 2006, 09:02:32 AM

It pains me to hear any world class footballer compared to Cobi Jones (not that Cobi hasn't done his best).  Every England fan I know thought Cole was the top performer of the Cup for their squad (outside Hargreaves, but no one in England likes him enough to admit that).  He certainly played above expectations as did Crouch, in my opinion.

I also think the comparison of Joe Cole to Cobi Jones is not a good one.  They are simply not in the same class, and that's not a meant to be a knock on Jones.  It's like comparing most DI and DIII players in any sport, and we here know all about that.  What I sometimes haven't liked about Cole in the past is a tendency to do beautiful footwork and then not finish.  But, as OS points out, hardly anyone finished for England in the WC and Cole produced a beauty.  I am not a Chelsea supporter, but I'd love to have him on my side.

To me, the biggest disappointment in the midfield was Frank Lampard.  One of the English press wrote that "the jounalists and cameramen learned when to duck--whenever Frank Lampard prepared to shoot."  His official number was 24 shots on goal, tying him with Maniche and Thierry Henry.  His teammate Steven Gerrard, however, had 2 goals in fewer than 10 shots (ESPNsoccernet's listing ends there).  And even Beckham, with his limitations, was able to score in his distinctive way.  But, I don't see a lot of Lampard and I'm willing to believe he had a bad run.  I just don't think it's fair to say that the English midfield were uniformly poor--there were definitely some who played better than others.  And the striker situation was a disaster, putting far more pressure on the midfield to score.

Crouch is not pretty, or usually very efficient, but he can score.  With the right lineup--usually 4-4-2, with the other striker small and quick, he gives defenses fits.

And, I think the biggest disappointment of all was Eriksson, who made all of the rest possible.

I just watched Fever Pitch again last night--can't wait for the EPL to start!  :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 19, 2006, 10:59:29 AM
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I also think the comparison of Joe Cole to Cobi Jones is not a good one.  They are simply not in the same class, and that's not a meant to be a knock on Jones.  It's like comparing most DI and DIII players in any sport, and we here know all about that.  What I sometimes haven't liked about Cole in the past is a tendency to do beautiful footwork and then not finish. 
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I don't remember every saying Cobi Jones' overall play was on par with Joe Cole.  All I intended to get across is that during the WC he seemed to dribble a lot without much production and it happened to remind me of Cobi Jones.  While you may not think this applied to the WC, you seem to agree in general by stating - "What I sometimes haven't liked about Cole in the past is a tendency to do beautiful footwork and then not finish."- I just happened to think it was the case during the WC. 

Although I don't think Joe Cole is 'World Class', without a doubt, I'd take him any day over Cobi Jones.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 19, 2006, 11:08:30 AM

I think we all understood you weren't elevating Cobi Jones to a player of Cole's calibre, but their levels of ability are so far apart that even the comparison is out of whack.

No offense, but to me it sounded like saying "Adam Morrison sometimes reminds me of Keelan Amelianovich; they're both tall guys who shoot well."  It's not untrue, but there are probably about two dozen guys who would make the comparison better.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 19, 2006, 12:02:45 PM
Gotberg, that clarifies things and it does sound like we more or less agree on Joe Cole. 

Hoops, good analogy to basketball. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 19, 2006, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 19, 2006, 11:08:30 AM
No offense, but to me it sounded like saying "Adam Morrison sometimes reminds me of Keelan Amelianovich; they're both tall guys who shoot well."  It's not untrue, but there are probably about two dozen guys who would make the comparison better.

No offense taken - but I was just saying that Cole's 06 style of play reminded me of Jones' WC94 style - not quite the analogy above. Cole certainly did have better results (Goal/Assist).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: gobombers15 on July 19, 2006, 10:15:47 PM
All fair points. I hope they do bring a good squad. But past precedent of quality European sides tends to imply they might not.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 19, 2006, 10:18:13 PM
Our lower league, the USL, all-stars tied Englands lower league team, Championship side Sheffield Wednesday, 0-0.  I just saw the final score on FSC.  Not that that means anything!

Until this board, I never heard of the football version of Fever Pitch...just that Jimmy Fallon/baseball/Red Sox one.  I'll have to see if I can dig that up on Netflix or something.

Brazil's coach, Pierrera stepped down today.  Anyone on the US National team speak Portugese?  :D

Though we weren't technically comparing Cole and Jones, Jones was a very valuable asset to the national team, as a starter and a sub.  When he subbed in, he was able to run, hustle and track back on defense.  He hustled more than anyone on the team at times.  
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 19, 2006, 10:57:25 PM
Cobi Jones was my older son's favorite player (at least until he got Brian McBride's cleats at the end of a Crew @ Fire game!) - lay off Cobi!  He wasn't world-class, but no one could ever fault his effort (unlike some USA stars).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 20, 2006, 02:17:16 PM
I saw the original Fever Pitch shortly after it was released to the movie channels........good movie, nice story.

i didn't bother with the American version since I knew it would be a blatant ripoff of the original.



The Juventus discount shopping spree has started with Cannavaro going to Real Madrid along with Emerson.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 20, 2006, 02:26:32 PM
I haven't seen this posted, thought you all might find it interesting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060719
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Just Bill on July 20, 2006, 02:40:21 PM
I just read this Bill Simmons article (linked in the post above), and it's exceptional!

Simmons got hooked on soccer during the World Cup and decided to select an English Premier League team to follow.  He gives a great synopsis on each team.

A must-read whether you're a Premier League expert or a newbie!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 20, 2006, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on July 20, 2006, 02:40:21 PM
I just read this Bill Simmons article (linked in the post above), and it's exceptional!

Simmons got hooked on soccer during the World Cup and decided to select an English Premier League team to follow.  He gives a great synopsis on each team.

A must-read whether you're a Premier League expert or a newbie!

Great link thanks.  Absolutely a must read, very funny at times especially if you follow the EPL.


I have to admit that I pull for Liverpool. ..........and if you read the article I'll watch any game played at Newcastle just because the crowd is awesome especially when the big four come to town.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 20, 2006, 04:15:18 PM

Yeah.  When I started following EPL closely I really wanted to go with Liverpool, although, as Simmons pointed out, you can't do it lightly and I'm not sure I'm worthy of it at this point.  We'll see.

Anyway, I've been rooting for Wigan the last few years as they've flown up the ranks and I'll be pushing for Reading hard this year as they feature some prominent Americans.

I just can't root for Chelsea, ManU or Arsenal.

Spurs was a good choice for the SportsGuy.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 20, 2006, 05:50:27 PM
VERY nice article.  The only thing I disagree with is that I think Liverpool is a lovely city and a great vacation destination (I've been there twice.  Then again, I teach courses on the Beatles). ;)

I went through the same thing when I started following the EPL.  ManU, Arsenal, and Chelsea have all, in order, seemed too much like the Yankees for me to support them.  I was gutted when Michael Owen left Liverpool, and when they didn't bring him back, although I understand the finances of that decision.  And Stevie G is every bit as good as Simmons says.

Can't quibble with his choice of Spurs, though.  Robbie Keane is a great striker, and Aaron Lennon is a dynamic young talent.  Too bad Keane isn't English; he could have helped a ton in the WC.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 20, 2006, 07:36:04 PM
It's ironic that Manchester United is called, "The Yankees of the EPL" since they actually have a partnership with the Yankees and you can see Man. Utd. games on the YES network!

Anyway, I have to defend Manchester United as my favorite team.  I first started watching the EPL way before it was called the EPL on a little known (now defunct) channel named Sports Channel America back in the very late 80's (1989, I think) when Manchester CITY was finishing higher than Manchester UNITED.  There really isn't any reason why I picked United over City (maybe I like red better than Blue), it just happened, kind of like why I prefer Chevy over Ford or Coke over Pepsi...things happen.  But, I was definitely sold when Ryan Giggs made his professional debut in 1991.  Wow! So, I wasn't just jumping on the Man. Utd. bandwagon after they won 7 of the first 10 Premier League titles! ;) 

I think everyone hates them because they were so good for so long.  I'm included in that mentality as well.  I hate the Bulls (maybe because I was a Knicks fan), Tiger Woods, the Yankees, etc. 

Well, I'm not going to go into a 16 year history of Man. Utd.  The article criticizes Man. Utd. for buying up all the young talent...don't you want that?  I don't think you're viewed as such a hawker than when you buy up established players from different teams, i.e. the Yankees or the Lakers.  Beginning in the early 90s, Sir Alex Ferguson brought up Fergie's Fledglings that included Giggs, Scholes, Butt, and the Nevilles from the "farm team".  I think that's pretty impressive.  Aside from big name young talent in Rooney, Ronaldo and even Alan Smith, he has been very good at buying "under the radar" talent in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Luis Saha and even Roy Keane.

Man. Utd. ain't perfect, Ferguson can be a total [you know what] sometimes and they've been spoiled by past success.  But I'll always be a fan of them and I've got the tattoo to prove it (of the abstract Red Devil)...even if they are owned by the Glazers (who happen to own the Tampa Bay Bucs, among other things  >:( ).

Aside from Man. Utd...

Newcastle (a good friend of mine who lives in Shrewsbury is a big fan of them, besides, we stole Andy Cole from them!)

Liverpool (I loved the old rivalry days when they had Ian Rush, Peter Beardsley and John Barnes...and who can forget Bruce Grobberlar!)

Arsenal (your enemy's enemies are your allies.  Obviously, as a MU fan, I hated them, but that was before Chelsea bought their last two championships)

Fulham (McBride and Bocanegra)

Spurs (cool name, among other reasons)-those are horrible jerseys.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 20, 2006, 07:47:06 PM
Zidane given 3 (international) match ban and fined a couple of bucks for his headbutt.

Matarazzi given 2 match ban (international as well) and fined a couple of bucks for is insults.

Zidane and Matarazzi suspended (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=374170&cc=5739)

They're suspending players for insults now? 

As we speak...#2 v #3 on his list on Classic Games on FSC:  Liverpool v Hotspur!



Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 20, 2006, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: Old School on July 20, 2006, 07:36:04 PM

Anyway, I have to defend Manchester United as my favorite team.  I first started watching the EPL way before it was called the EPL on a little known (now defunct) channel named Sports Channel America back in the very late 80's (1989, I think) when Manchester CITY was finishing higher than Manchester UNITED.  There really isn't any reason why I picked United over City (maybe I like red better than Blue), it just happened, kind of like why I prefer Chevy over Ford or Coke over Pepsi...things happen.  But, I was definitely sold when Ryan Giggs made his professional debut in 1991.  Wow! So, I wasn't just jumping on the Man. Utd. bandwagon after they won 7 of the first 10 Premier League titles! ;) 

In 1992 I wasn't really a soccer fan yet.  My roommate was from Stockholm, Sweden and he'd watch a Saturday morning English soccer recap program.  I'd watch it a few times with him and he told me his favorite team was Man City because his father bought one of their jerseys as a gift for him while his father was in England on business.  So, I decided I needed to pick a team to follow.  I chose Man United that day because I was really impressed with a young talent named Ryan Giggs who was in his early twenties/late teens.

The following year I was in Budapest and attended my first European match - a match between Man United vs. Kispest Honved - an early round Champion's league game that took place in a small stadium of about 10k.  One of the best and worst experiences I've ever had.  The best because I became an absolute soccer fanatic.  The worst, because I'm an absolute hooked soccer fanatic.  I had the chance to see Giggs, Cantona, Schmeichel etc.  This was leading into the 94 world cup so more wood for the fire.

Fortunately I have an understanding wife who allowed me to spend a week in Europe last month with 4 friends attending the World Cup. 

I think the Simmons article I linked in a previous post captured some of the things about Soccer that makes it so fantastic (and in many way college sports).  Fans are there for to see the game and not to be seen.  The focus is so much on the game at hand...and not the entertainment in the stands or during TV timeouts.

I just fell in love with the passion of the fans and the excitement of the everflowing movement that occurs on the field and the adrenaline of a potentinal goal...a result that actually means something.

Sigh - good times.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 20, 2006, 10:30:15 PM
I confess that my team is Arsenal, but it has nothing to do with jumping on the bandwagon (at least, not directly - I have no idea as to the origin of the club name).

In my area, the club team with some future d1 and professional prospects is Ann Arbor Arsenal.  They have won several national titles (both boys and girls), though usually U13 or below.  That makes me wonder if their coaching is not as good as advertised, or if they are losing their REALLY good players to someone even higher on the pecking order.

The club I work with (Ypsilanti Area Soccer Club) has probably never had a pro prospect, has a scholarship prospect perhaps every 2-3 years, and would have at most 2-3 d3 starters each year, most of whom don't go d3.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 21, 2006, 08:58:41 AM

Frankly with the way Chelsea is spending these days, I can't even bring myself to be mad at people who root for ManU or Arsenal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Just Bill on July 21, 2006, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: Old School on July 20, 2006, 07:47:06 PM

As we speak...#2 v #3 on his list on Classic Games on FSC:  Liverpool v Hotspur!


Clearly you didn't read the Bill Simmons article closely enough:  Its "Tottenham Hotspurs" or "the Spurs".  Nothing else!  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: CRZK on July 21, 2006, 07:00:30 PM
Had this link sent to me.  Great 9 minute video on Zidane.  Didn't have much of a chance to watch him enough during his career (out in my area we had until recently little cable access to soccer).

Anyway, outstanding farewell video showing awesome talent.

web: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8451296196135992907&pr=goog-sl
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 21, 2006, 07:24:06 PM
Thanks for posting that! 

Obviously Zizou did more than sometimes break the laws of FIFA, he regularly broke the laws of physics.  Some of those moves are simply not humanly possible! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 21, 2006, 10:04:58 PM
Fringe players at Chelsea become starters elsewhere...Del Horno heads to Valencia and Damien Duff goes to the Magpies, instead of TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR!  Is that better, Just Bill, err...Bill Simmons? lol.  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jfpiv on July 22, 2006, 08:34:38 AM
Great article by Simmons.
Tragic selection, I'm a Gunner fan myself, but great article nonetheless.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 27, 2006, 08:00:45 PM
Jonah Freedman (SI.com) ranks the world's club teams, and has 3 of the top 5 in England:

1.  Chelsea
2.  FC Barcelona
3.  Olympique Lyon
4.  Arsenal
5.  Liverpool

Does anyone else view this as overplaying the EPL just a tad?!

He ranks the top 10, then also includes about 8 honorable mentions - sorry, ManU, no where on the list!  He does include both Real Madrid and DC United(!) among the HMs.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 28, 2006, 07:41:24 AM
That humors me...and yes, a little too much weight on the EPL.  So, D.C. United is better than Manchester United now?  Umm...

Looks like RvN is out at Old Trafford.  Disappointing not to see any new faces come in, though THREE old faces return from injuries, Scholes, Solskjaer and Alan Smith (moving back to his preferred forward position). 
I'm looking forward to the new EPL season, among other leagues, even if Man. Utd. supposedly sucks now! lol.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on July 28, 2006, 08:41:54 AM
Old School, acc. to soccernet, Man U will sign Carrick today.  That should ease some of the suffering at Old Trafford.

My Gunners, on the other hand, appear ready to send Ashley Cole to Chelsea.  Can't say that I am overly thrilled with the prospect of another year with Flamini on the back line.  He did an admirable job last year, but I'd really rather play the kid in the midfield.

As for the poll, I'm assuming the decision to keep Juve out of the top five was some sort of an informal punishment related to the match fixing scandal.

My top five:
1 - Barca
2 - Chelsea
3 - Arsenal
4 - Juve
5 - Bayern Munich (I've never been overly thrilled with Ligue 1 football)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 28, 2006, 09:03:33 AM

I think Barca is definately number one these days.  They've got a lot of talent and unlike Real and Chelsea, they actually have some chemistry too.

I'm not sure why ManU wouldn't be on a top 10 list; they still finished second last season and they have a solid squad, just probably not solid enough to do any damage this year.

I know the UEFA coefficients count the last five years, so it doesn't give a totally accurate picture of the current situation, but here is this year's top ten.

Position    Club    Country    Coefficient
1    AC Milan           Italy    129.020
2    FC Barcelona    Spain    127.006
3    Real Madrid    Spain    120.006
4    Internazionale     Italy    112.020
5    Juventus     Italy    107.020
6    Liverpool     England    105.950
7    Arsenal     England    101.950
8    Manchester United     England    100.950
9    Valencia    Spain    95.006
10    Lyon     France    89.757
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 28, 2006, 03:46:39 PM

It looks like the transfer window is really heating up right now.  I'm sorry I'll be away for a while.  If I don't get eaten by a bear climbing Mt Whitney, I'll be back next week.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on July 28, 2006, 04:32:41 PM
Ruud!  Ruud!  Hala Madrid, baby. Now there's a stiker that I can root for..
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 28, 2006, 05:21:15 PM
Real Madrid ruined Michael Owen...I cannot cheer for them! lol.  >:(

It's funny that many fans still believe Real Madrid is the greatest club in the world with all their stars they have.  Well, they are like the Yankees.  Neither has won squat for quite sometime now (2002/2003 being the last La Liga championship for them).  I realize Man. Utd. hasn't won the Premiership since then either, but then again, they aren't ranked in the Top 10! (according to the Freeman guy) lol.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 28, 2006, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on July 28, 2006, 08:41:54 AM
As for the poll, I'm assuming the decision to keep Juve out of the top five was some sort of an informal punishment related to the match fixing scandal.

My top five:
1 - Barca
2 - Chelsea
3 - Arsenal
4 - Juve
5 - Bayern Munich (I've never been overly thrilled with Ligue 1 football)

I have read that many (if not most) Juventus players had contract clauses that if the club was demoted, the player became a free agent.  If that is true, the 'new' Juve may have trouble staying in the top 50!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on July 28, 2006, 11:05:30 PM
Quote from: stinger on July 28, 2006, 04:32:41 PM
Ruud!  Ruud!  Hala Madrid, baby. Now there's a stiker that I can root for..


It's not as if you didn't have any choices before he arrived.  Raul, Julio Baptista, Ronaldo, Robinho, Cassano, now Ruud.  That's one heck of a crows.  Someone will have to be moved.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 31, 2006, 08:59:44 AM
What a crappy way to interrupt a football match! lol  (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-brazilriot&prov=reuters&type=lgns) 

Enjoy.  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 01, 2006, 08:01:27 AM
Nice article in yesterday's USA Today on...err, Chelsea (wow, that hurt to say that!)...

On the transfer rumor mill...this also hurts, Patrick Viera of all players, hinted in his desire to play for Manchester United!  ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 01, 2006, 10:10:26 AM
A pretty week hint, sounds more like he's headed for Inter Milan.   I think the BBC was trying to make an interesting story for their readers.

Not that they've ever been accused of sensationalism ;)


No bodies mentioned it but Liverpool's draw in the 3rd round Champions League Qualifier is with Maccabi Haifa.  They'll decide in a week whether to play the game in Israel or not.  ::)

Cypress anyone.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 01, 2006, 06:57:22 PM
Two other Israeli qualifiers (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AlRgr047v7ApaXrkpyMwfXMmw7YF?slug=ap-uefa-israel&prov=ap&type=lgns) have been moved to neutral countries, according to Yahoo Sports.  But the Israeli football association chairman feels if Depeche Mode can play a concert in Israel, there isn't any reason why Liverpool can't show up!

I read on soccernet about Viera.  Of course, the same site says he'll sign with Inter.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: gobombers15 on August 02, 2006, 01:16:17 AM
Trezeguet to stay with Juve and Viera heads over to Inter. No huge surprises there.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AnjAGy36iiCf0PWxZIkKXXUmw7YF?slug=reu-ballack&prov=reuters&type=lgns

Read that article. Apparently, Ballack will rotate with Michael Essien in Chelsea's midfield. The team will play three midfielders: Ballack/Essien, Lampard and Makelele. Where does Joe Cole fit into this picture? Are they going to play him as a winger? I'm assuming that Drogba, Shevchenko and Crespo will start up top. Joey Cole is far too good of a player to be wasting away on Chelsea's bench. I hope they find him some minutes or move him to another team.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=ArI5KCqy6wNnPnGq3mbnVXcmw7YF?slug=afp-fblengprchelseafra&prov=afp&type=lgns

Looks like Gallas is not happy with Chelsea. He wants to play more of a central defender rather than his current position of fullback. Should be interesting to see how this turns out.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 02, 2006, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: gobombers15 on August 02, 2006, 01:16:17 AM
Read that article. Apparently, Ballack will rotate with Michael Essien in Chelsea's midfield. The team will play three midfielders: Ballack/Essien, Lampard and Makelele. Where does Joe Cole fit into this picture? Are they going to play him as a winger? I'm assuming that Drogba, Shevchenko and Crespo will start up top. Joey Cole is far too good of a player to be wasting away on Chelsea's bench. I hope they find him some minutes or move him to another team.

You can say that for about half the players riding the pine at Stamford Bridge.  Ballack merely rotating with Essien.  They paid a fortune for him.  Chelsea has two awesome teams and that can cause problems.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on August 02, 2006, 04:40:53 PM
Are they going to play a 4-3-3?

4-5-1 would make sense with Sheva up top, Robben and Cole on the wings, and the Ballack, Makelele, and Lampard down the middle.

Good Lord!  That's an allstar team.

I can't say that I'm too broken up about the fact that Gallas is unhappy.

I'd love to see him playing at Emirates Arena this fall!!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: gobombers15 on August 04, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
Keep in mind that Ashley Cole is still clamoring to be sent to Chelsea. If you check out his page on Wikipedia, apparently there was some ordeal a couple of years ago where he met with Chelsea reps even though he was playing for Arsenal. That would be ridiculous if they get him, too.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 04, 2006, 03:27:16 PM
In a preseason friendly with FC Porto, Wayne Rooney got red-carded! lol.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 04, 2006, 06:22:58 PM
Nice work Wayne. Shocker really. The guy looks like he should've gone with the boxing gloves as a career. He's a long way to go. I see Scholes was a culprit was well.

Did anyone read Wahl's interview with Lampard?  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/grant_wahl/08/03/chelsea.lampard/index.html

Reyes to Madrid? I hope so.  Ship off Graveson back to the EPL and let's have Reyes feeding balls to Robinho and cleaning up his misses.  3 weeks til we get serious.

Enjoy the game tomorrow for those making the journey to chicago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 07, 2006, 11:02:45 AM


Chelsea could use Ashley Cole on the back line.  That wouldn't be a bad move.  The only spot they have some semblence of weakness is on the defensive wings.  ACole would be perfect there.

You also have to remember that Abrahimovic is out to win Champs League, Premiership, FA Cup and the Carling Cup to become the first team to win four.  That's a ton of matches, which is why they have so much depth.

I think you'll see Drogba and Sheva switching in and out up front quite a bit.  Robben and JCole both proved to be at their best on the wings in the world cup.  That leaves Ballack and Lampard in the middle.  I think you're more likely to see Makelele and Essien switch off as Mak is getting a bit long in the tooth footballwise.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 07, 2006, 12:35:13 PM
I have to say that who ever planned having foreign soccer club's touring the U.S. to showcase their talent has to be praised. I attended the FC Barcelona v.s Chivas game last night in L.A. and loved the atmosphere that it brought out. Truely, this game tapped the heart of LA soccer fans as i brought out close to 95,000 screaming and crazy fans. I just hope that one day MLS can reach as much fan base and have sell out stadiums in the future. This just might be what U.S soccer needs.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on August 07, 2006, 12:49:22 PM
Happy to report that there was a similar atmosphere in Bridgeport, Illinois Saturday night when Chelsea played the MLS allstars.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 07, 2006, 04:05:43 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on August 07, 2006, 12:49:22 PM
Happy to report that there was a similar atmosphere in Bridgeport, Illinois Saturday night when Chelsea played the MLS allstars.

With 70,000 less fans.  ;)


Because soccer will never be as big as football, baseball and other sports in the US, I would be content with MLS selling out soccer specific stadiums of 20,000+ fans.  It's much more exciting than watching 20,000 fans sitting in Soldier Field.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 07, 2006, 11:02:45 AM
Chelsea could use Ashley Cole on the back line.  That wouldn't be a bad move.  The only spot they have some semblence of weakness is on the defensive wings.  ACole would be perfect there.

Why are you saying anything good about Chelsea? lol.  :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 07, 2006, 06:09:55 PM
That is so true. That was one of the reasons why the L.A. galaxy moved from the Rose bowl to the much smaller Home Depot center. After having a large gathering in its first year, fan numbers just started to drop. Still, 20,000 is just sad for the sport of the world.


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 08, 2006, 09:28:47 AM

I don't think 20,000 is bad at all.  There are a decent number of baseball teams that can't draw that many, even with a much larger fan base.  Besides, few of the stadiums in Europe are much larger.  You can't judge MLS against the EPL, because their attendance dwarfs everyone else's to begin with.  ManU has the 70,000 seat stadium that sells out and 19 of the 20 teams averaged at least 20,000 last year.  However, only half the teams in Spain and Italy were over 20,000; Germany got a boost from all the new construction needed for the World Cup; France only has 8 teams over 20,000; Holland only has four.

We compare MLS to the Scotish and Belgian leagues and they only have two teams each with facilities big enough to hold significantly more than 20,000.  Most Euro clubs outside the Champs League elite have a capacity between 20 and 30 thousand.  Our stadiums and attendance are pretty close in line with those of comparable leagues in Europe.

Football is a lot like hockey: even if you could sell the seats, you don't want it in an arena of more than 25,000 or so because the view from too far away just sucks.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 08, 2006, 01:54:07 PM
Hoops--- You are right about the view if there are about 90,000 + fans at a soccer match. IMHO, the tickets that I bought landed me near the top of the fame L.A coliseum  really sucked compared to viewng. However, the people at the top are always the craziest and rowdy fans that make the atmosphere more exciting. In all, i am still hoping that one day MLS will get the love that other sports around the US get.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 08, 2006, 08:23:28 PM
You beat me to the punch.  We try to compare MLS to the level or two just below the EPL and our numbers compare or are better than those.  I'd much rather have 20,000 sellout a soccer specific stadium than have 40,000 in a 80,000 NFL stadium.  The atmosphere is a heck of a lot better.  The MLS is on it's way to making a profit with the additions of soccer-specific stadiums where they don't have to pay rent and they get to keep all proceeds. 

We can't fool ourselves and think soccer in this country will ever become the main sport (or even one of the main sports) in the USA or that our league will become one of the top leagues in the world, but I think we'll continue to improve and more and more players will be bought by big clubs who have honed their skills in MLS and that's not a bad thing!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on August 08, 2006, 09:04:15 PM
Quote from: Old School on August 08, 2006, 08:23:28 PM
We can't fool ourselves and think soccer in this country will ever become the main sport (or even one of the main sports) in the USA or that our league will become one of the top leagues in the world, but I think we'll continue to improve and more and more players will be bought by big clubs who have honed their skills in MLS and that's not a bad thing!

I don't know, Old School. Fifteen years ago who would have thought NASCAR would be where it is today, and as everyone who has ever trumpeted the growth of soccer says, the grass roots are there in the States.  I'd love to see it. I just hope that the MLS doesn't implement the proverbial "glowing puck" to try and make it happen.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 09, 2006, 09:22:10 AM


Yeah, NASCAR growth has been impressive, outrageous, and entirely stupid.  But they did not have to compete with a dozen gigantically popular leagues overseas.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 10, 2006, 08:23:28 AM
Eric and Eric are in for Mike and Mike today (Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN Radio)...as in, Eric Casillias and ERIC WYNALDA.

Eric asked Wynalda what he would rather have, an EPL championship with Liverpool or being in the Hall of Fame.  He immediately picked the EPL championship.  About five minutes later, he flip flopped claiming Casillias "threw him off" or something like that. 

The basic broad sports question is would a player rather win the Stanley Cup, the Super Bowl, World Series etc or be in the respective Hall of Fame.

In soccer, it's a little different.  Is there a "World/FIFA" Hall of Fame?  I think I'd take an EPL championship with Manchester United over being in the U.S. Soccer Hall of Fame. 

If we're comparing an MLS championship with the U.S. Soccer Hall of Fame, then I'd probably still take the championship.

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 10, 2006, 08:59:46 AM


Yeah, since I am unaware of an international football hall of fame (I'm pretty sure Halls of Fame are a purely American fascination) I'd have to go with the championship.

Champs League would be cool to win, but if you're going for the ultimate prize for an English squad it would have to be the as-yet-unaccomplished quad. (EPL, Champs League, FA Cup and Carling Cup).  ManU pulled off the triple a few years back, which is impressive in its own right.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 10, 2006, 10:20:04 AM
The only thing that makes the League Cup, i.e., the Carling Cup, important to any top flight club is if they don't win anything else!  Man. Utd. has come to appreciate the League Cup for that reason alone, unfortunately.  :'(  Watching the Red Devils win the EPL, the F.A. Cup and the Champions League within about a 10-day span was amazing...especially the Champions League Final.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 10, 2006, 12:28:42 PM


I know no one in the EPL cares about Carling, but both Abramovich and Mourinho have stated they want to be the first to win the Quad.



Speaking of Chelsea, has anyone heard any more about Gallas getting sold?  This might have a big impact on my fantasy squad.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on August 10, 2006, 01:28:22 PM
DC United and Real Madrid played to a 1-1 draw last night in Seattle.  Great first half with both teams going at it.

The goal scored by DC was one expected out of RM.

Second half, RM made numerous subs(if you call Canavaro and Helguera subs). RM controlled most of the second half with DC looking tired.  DC stayed composed and fought fought hard for the draw (including an incredible save by DC's goalkeeper Perkins of a Roberto Carlos set piece). 

Perkins works part time as a loan processor at a local DC bank to make ends meet.  Must be feel odd to ask for time off from work in order to travel to Seattle and play the superstars of Real Madrid.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 10, 2006, 03:57:46 PM


Yeah that seems like the same story as the All-Star Chelsea match.  The score was close, but the chances weren't.  After a while you have to stop calling it luck and start attributing some of it to solid defense.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on August 10, 2006, 07:22:33 PM
You can see the DC v RM highlights on MLS' home page.

http://www.mlsnet.com/MLS/index.jsp

If you haven't been to their site before, the center section of the page will change and there will be one 'section' entitled "Spanish Stars battle MLS sides Saturday".  At the end of the section's text, there's a link to a 350k video.  There were plenty of highlights left out, but this is a nice summary of the game.

RM definitely played to win and from a player's perspective, earn playing under their new coach.  Raul talked at a pre-game conference call that RM only plays to win.  The history and tradition of RM is too important not to win.  Now granted, their in pre-season etc, but I do believe each and every RM player tried to play to their best capabilities at this point in time.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 10, 2006, 09:47:18 PM
Things could get ugly for the MLS this weekend as Real SL take on Real Madrid. 

And of course, more importantly, Arsenal v Chelsea in the Charity Shield, Community Shield or whatever they call it now!  Finally, the EPL kicks off!  YEAH!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 11, 2006, 11:05:55 AM


You'd think McLaren would have had the decency in Germany to whisper in Becks ear "Why don't you retire from International Football now, when you give up the captaincy."  I mean it would have been the classier thing to do rather than let the guy give up the captaincy, say he'll keep playing and then dump him.  I'm not against the decision, just the way it went down.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 11, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
All because he's dumped him for this "crucial" friendly  ;) vs Greece (?), that doesn't mean he's done for good.  RvN also got dropped for Holland. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 11, 2006, 10:22:17 PM
Becks deserves to get 100 caps for England.  Im not saying dropping him for the Greece match is a big deal, I just hope that he gets some love in the Euro 08 qualifiers.  I think  McClaren is just making a statement that he's going to be his own coach, not a Sven clone.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 13, 2006, 09:18:39 PM
Liverpool 2 Chelsea 1

Is it just me or does it seem like if you put a trophpy in front of a Liverpool/Chelsea matchup.........Liverpool wins?

......and it could be argued that Liverpool played the weaker side today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 14, 2006, 09:32:01 AM


Plus now we've got one more American owner in the EPL.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 14, 2006, 12:12:30 PM
Lately, I've been reading about Beck's future as he gets a bit older. It's sad to hear that his national team asked for his captain's arm band and that some of his coaches feel that he is lossing some pace in his game. As far as i know, this guy was once a top highlight for the english team and suddlenly he isn't. Give me a break. Beck's has done the best for his country, the least they can do is keep him as a reserve on the national team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 14, 2006, 12:46:38 PM


They didn't ask for his armband; he gave it up before they could.

Becks has never been the best player in the world, he was (and may still be) the most talented free kick taker in the world, which is quite valuable to the team.  He's very good on the cross, but he's never been a complete player, nor one who could perform at 100% for the whole match.  I'd compare him to Randy Moss (although without the arrogance).  Good enough in spots that you have to leave him on the field, but not the best complete player.

Now that Aaron Lennon has proved just how good he can be during the run of play and Lampard has stepped up as an above-average free kick taker, the usefulness of Becks in wanning a bit.

I'm sure he'll still get his caps in, although he probably won't get the England record (which he's been gunning for from the beginning).  There was a good point brought up earlier, that he is just barely back to form after the World Cup injury and maybe McLaren just didn't want to risk it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 15, 2006, 12:14:28 PM
Thanks for the insight Hoops. I'll have to agree with the fact that after beck's world cup injury, it'll take time for him to come back to full form.

Aside from that, IMHO, I say that beck's should retire from football completly. Word is that once he feels like getting away from England he has the choice of joining any MLS team that wants him. Of course this brings the debate in which people argue whether these older players from Europe can really help out MLS. In this case, it will only help Beck's get richer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 15, 2006, 01:56:45 PM


I think the older Euro players will be invaluable to the young players coming up in MLS.  Right now they have a lot of good, but not great Central American stars to learn from, but that's almost like learning from the minor league lifers in AAA baseball, good, but not the best.


Beckham is still a starter for one of the top ten teams in the world.  Unlike a lot of other sports, when football's best start to slow down, they still can play at the same level as many of the good players around them for quite some time.  People like Nedved and Zidane and Beckham spent their prime absolutely head and shoulders above everyone else, so its noticable when they start to slow down, but usually it takes quite a while for teams to find someone good enough to take their place.  How else to explain why Roberto Carlos still has a job?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 15, 2006, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on August 15, 2006, 12:14:28 PM
In this case, it will only help Beck's get richer.

Obviously, money isn't really an issue for Beckham.  He'll make pennies in the MLS compared to what Europe plays.  Besides, he makes most of his money through endorsements, and in that sense, he'll make good in the USA. 

On another note, I was reading Yahoo! Sports' Premiere League preview of each team.  Each team had the essentials like player arrivals and departures among other things.  Under Manchester United, Ruud Van Nistelrooy wasn't even listed as a departure! Wow.  Anyway, rumor around the pitch is that Hargreaves wants to play in England and Manchester United (not surprisingly) is linked.  That would be great to sign him, if not for the first four games since newly signed Michael Carrick is already injured and fellow midfielder Paul Scholes is suspended for games 2-4!  Plus, Hargreaves is a pretty sweet player.

Soccer marathon on FSC on Saturday with two live EPL games, an A-League game, a delayed EPL game and a live MLS game!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on August 15, 2006, 11:32:59 PM
Quote from: Old School on August 15, 2006, 05:23:44 PM
Soccer marathon on FSC on Saturday with two live EPL games, an A-League game, a delayed EPL game and a live MLS game!

Please God let it rain on Saturday! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 15, 2006, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on August 15, 2006, 11:32:59 PM
Quote from: Old School on August 15, 2006, 05:23:44 PM
Soccer marathon on FSC on Saturday with two live EPL games, an A-League game, a delayed EPL game and a live MLS game!

Please God let it rain on Saturday! ;D

Sorry, Joe, but soccer players are not like wimpy baseball players - we play in the rain!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 16, 2006, 08:06:21 AM
Maybe he has to work outside (mow the lawn, construction, housing, race NASCAR, etc) and if it rains, he doesn't have to work and he can watch soccer all day. 

If not, well then I curse Joe Wally! lol.  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 16, 2006, 08:10:41 AM
Not sure if you have noticed, but Setanta now has the EPL 7:30am game on Saturday mornings. There have been a few changes. Check out www.soccertv.com for the updates.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 16, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
Sorry, Joe, but soccer players are not like wimpy baseball players - we play in the rain!

HAHah, there are times that baseball teams do play in the rain. And when they do it really makes the game more fun. I think MLB should really consider what Football and Soccer teams do when it rains and get their feet wet. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on August 16, 2006, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Old School on August 16, 2006, 08:06:21 AM
Maybe he has to work outside (mow the lawn, construction, housing, race NASCAR, etc) and if it rains, he doesn't have to work and he can watch soccer all day.

You are correct old school.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 17, 2006, 09:52:40 PM
Thanks to Netflix, I was able to rent Fever Pitch.  I'll have to say, it's not a bad movie at all.  I enjoyed the connection I had with the movie as I've been to Highbury before.  OK, I haven't been IN Highbury, but I did take the Underground up there and walked around.  Some kids almost let us Yanks in to watch a youth game, but I didn't wanna give them the requested amount of pence for admission! lol.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm proud to admit that I remember the likes of Alan Smith, goalscorer Michael Thomas, Bruce Grobbelar, Ian Rush and all of the other Arsenal and Liverpool players.  1989 just happened to be one of the first seasons I was acquainted with the top flight through Sports Channel America.  Pretty cool stuff.  I told my friend that I watched Fever Pitch and he almost slapped me (through the phone) because he thought I was watching the Drew Barrymore/Jimmy Fallon version!  :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 24, 2006, 07:19:04 PM
Champions League Draw (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=340368&cc=5739) is out now.

Even as a Chelsea hater, I find it interesting that they are a #2 seed, thus getting stuck playing against a #1 seed like Barcelona.  Thanks to Ajax getting upset in the qualifying round, Man. Utd.'s group becomes easier with Celtic, Benfica and now FC Copenhagen in their group.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 25, 2006, 09:06:49 AM


And after two matchweeks in the premiership, ManU is back on top with 6 points and Chelsea lost to Middlesboro.  What happeded to all that backup talent they are supposed to have?


I'm looking forward to Champs league.  This first group stage is going to be tough, there are a lot of good teams.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 28, 2006, 02:02:56 AM
Any of you German soccer fans surprised with Nuremberg and Bayern Munich playing to a 0-0 draw 8-26?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 28, 2006, 09:00:57 AM

Munich is in trouble this year.  They don't have enough cash to compete with the English teams and they are really hurting.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 28, 2006, 10:26:14 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 28, 2006, 09:00:57 AM

Munich is in trouble this year.  They don't have enough cash to compete with the English teams and they are really hurting.

1.  What does that have to do with their draw with Nuremburg?  Are they an English team now? lol.  ;D

2.  Maybe if they sold Hargreaves to Man. Utd., they'd have more money.  :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 30, 2006, 09:04:13 AM

They just don't have the talent to compete in the Bundesliga because the English teams are buying all of the stars that are available.  I think you know what I meant.  Nuremburg's a sleeper.

Yeah, if they'd just let Hargreaves go, they might be able to plug a few holes.  Of course, now they only have two days left to do it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 01, 2006, 04:05:06 PM

Beasley to Man City.  What happens next?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 01, 2006, 05:52:58 PM
Wow, "he continues to flounder"?

I thought he was doing pretty good for PSV.  He's a midfielder, he's not going to score 20 goals a season.  He's also a winger, paid to attack players and make crosses.  I didn't think he was doing "bad" in Holland.

Anyway, I think the EPL may be a little too physical for Beasley, considering his lack of size.  Not sure if it was the right move, but at least I'll be able to watch him. 

I think he'll start because that's the reason they brought him in, with Sibieriski or whatever his name, going out.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 05, 2006, 09:15:05 AM

PSV coaches have (well did) often mention how Beasley was not developing as they had hoped, nor did he seem to care.  He's a good player, but he hasn't become what they expected when they signed him.  That's probably the reason for the loan.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 07, 2006, 11:40:17 AM
Had to pass on this score  :o

Germany 13 San Marino 0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/5322128.stm
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 07, 2006, 11:59:55 AM
They say it was the highest scoring EURO qualifying match of all time.  It is San Marino for gosh sakes.  I can't believe Germany even had their first team show up.  Podolski played well into the second half?  Klose even got on the field?  That was just mean.

They essentially started their World Cup team against the one country that Malta kicks the crap out of every year?  At least they could have kept the big names in reserve and brought them in, if God forbid, there was any trouble.

This just seems low to me.

San Marino has a population of 29,000 and is situated totally in the mountains.  They're lucky to even have a stadium (where the game was held and maxed out at 5,115 fans).  Quite a quaint little nation though.  The world's oldest constitutional republic and the only country to have a communist government democratically elected and democratically ousted without violence.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 12, 2006, 07:11:25 PM
Champions League started today with Liverpool sleeping through their game with PSV.  In addition to the usual ESPN(2) game, the network is also adding a tape delayed game on ESPN Classic!  Sweet!  Tomorrow is Man. Utd. vs. Celtic and then Real plays on ESPN Classic, I think.  What is "The Ocho" showing?  I don't know.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 13, 2006, 06:59:55 PM

I'm in Belfast right now and caught the Liverpool match (rather boring) on tv.  However, apparently different room rates apply for rooms with all of the skytv channels and those with the basic package, so I'm stuck with five channels and no champs league today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Jim Matson on September 16, 2006, 11:09:49 PM
It could be worse...it could be raining. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 05, 2006, 09:08:23 AM

Anyone want to comment of the lack of strikers scoring goals these days?  Outside of Didier Drogba no one seems to be able to find the back of the net from the front of the field.


Henry and Shevchenko (the two best goal scorers on the planet coming into this season) have performed way under expectations.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on October 11, 2006, 08:26:10 AM
Assuming we're only talking EPL, Everton's Andy Johnson has exceeded expecations thus far.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 11, 2006, 09:11:41 AM

Yeah, I forgot about Johnson.



I'm just saying look at the list of big names who have done nothing so far (some for good reason):

Rooney, Shevchenko, Henry, Tevez, Darren Bent.  And he's not a striker, but Steven Gerrard has been almost non-existant.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 16, 2006, 10:02:22 AM

How about Chelsea.  They lose two keepers to head injuries in one game and John Terry has to play goal for the last few minutes of a 1-0 nailbiter.  I bet that was a fun one to watch... too bad I live in the United States.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on October 16, 2006, 10:05:57 AM
The Reading v Chelsea game was broadcasting live on FSC.  Unfortunately, I had a conflict, but it would have been an interresting game to watch.

Earlier, the Watford v Arsenal game was on.  I wish I saw that one too considering DeMerit plays for Watford.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 16, 2006, 08:26:45 PM
The Chelsea game wasn't that great

The first goalie took a knee to the head, certainly didn't look as bad as it turned out to be at the time.  Turned out later he had a depressed fracture in the skull, had surgery later.

The second goalie, took a vicious hit, a head to shoulder hit with both men going full speed in oposite directions.  I'm sure he was out cold before he hit the ground.

The goalie injuries took place in the first 30 seconds, and last 10 seconds.

John Terry played goalie long enough for a throwin to be kicked to midfield then the ref called time.  It took John longer to get his goalie jersey and gloves on.  Chelsea were down to 9 men at the time and the ref ended the game a little early, the announcers felt there would be a full minute left.  Certainly didn't give Reading any chance to mount an attack.

Chelsea's goal was a complete fluke, a double deflection free-kick off two Reading defenders for an own goal.  Chelsea weren't very good all day and were lucky to win.

If you didn't see it you didn't miss much.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 18, 2006, 06:32:51 PM
Congrats to Chelsea

Barcelona gets edge by chelsea. That was a classic last min. goal that wasn't expected to be taken by  Drogba.

I would have expected for the champs to stay away. But i think the cold weather made them fall asleep.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 18, 2006, 06:36:20 PM
Have any of you guys ever gone south of the US and seen a Mexican league soccer match?

I recently went to the "super classico" ( Club Chivas v.s Club America.)
and felt something similar to what the Europeans get out of their soccer leagues. The stadiums and fans are just as wild, but not as crazy as those in europe.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on October 19, 2006, 06:45:42 AM
Had the pleasure of watching 4 Champions League matches on the ESPN networks over the past two days. Im  a big fan of them replaying a match on Classic at 5.  Incredible goal by Drogba to lift Chelsea over Barca.  Barca looked awful, and you can tell they are really missing Eto'o.

It was interesting that ESPN was really pushing the Chelsea/Barca game to be played at the Nou Camp on 10/31 as being on ESPN Deportes. I wonder if they think this game could give them a push in subscriptions.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 20, 2006, 12:04:57 AM
I think you're right.  Fox Soccer Channel's football fone-in asked the question what is the best international football rivalry and they thought it was Barcelona v Real Madrid because it gets the interest of South American countries as well.  Some people said Celtic/Rangers, others said some Mexican rivalries, but neither of those get the INTERNATIONAL appeal that Real and Barca get.  You could say two English teams, but for the most part, no one in South America cares. 

I'm a big Man Utd. fan and I'm disappointed that I haven't seen more Red Devil games on Fox Soccer Channel.  Even when they weren't played live last season, they usually played the replay during the week.  This year, I don't even see that.  With that said, I can't believe they aren't showing the Liverpool v Manchester United game this weekend.  Wow.  I'm sure there are "rights" that play into this, but still!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 20, 2006, 09:51:30 AM
Chelsea coaching staff should be commended and prasied for staying with their game plan.
Whats funny about the chelsea v.s Barca game was that there was no good front 3 against a good chelsea team. Coach Frank just thought that maybe the mid-field would be able to attack the middle lines, but ultimately suffered. If the Champs continue to do this, i assure you they will not repeat as champs. All that talent with barca needs to wake up and used properly in their game plan. Just My opinion
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2006, 10:12:01 AM

Barca really just needs to sit down and have an intervention with Ronaldinho.  He needs to remember that he's a midfielder and he is allowed to use his ungodly ball control to open up the offense and occasionally roam to the defensive side of midfield.

He's playing lazy and it's going to kill them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 20, 2006, 10:31:53 AM
This is exactly what i felt after seing him play during this game. Not only was he used in a different method, but he didn't look like the Ronaldinho of the past year. Again, i think this could be attributed to Coach Franks weak game plan that Chelsea exposed and used to prevail on Barca. Btw, this has been going on for more than 1 game for the champs.

They just need to get back to their basics.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 20, 2006, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: Old School on October 20, 2006, 12:04:57 AM

I'm a big Man Utd. fan and I'm disappointed that I haven't seen more Red Devil games on Fox Soccer Channel.  Even when they weren't played live last season, they usually played the replay during the week.  This year, I don't even see that.  With that said, I can't believe they aren't showing the Liverpool v Manchester United game this weekend.  Wow.  I'm sure there are "rights" that play into this, but still!

What?......Sheffield United/Everton doesn't excite you?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 24, 2006, 06:16:10 PM
Quick note: With His royal Airness meeting Ronaldinho after his talks in Paris, I am sure this will awake the soccer great. In fact, i hope that his peep talk will inspire him to do what he does best and get in rythm to play his style of soccer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 25, 2006, 09:05:57 PM
Quote from: sac on October 20, 2006, 10:01:59 PM
What?......Sheffield United/Everton doesn't excite you?

Not the Blades part.  I like the Toffees.  Cahill, Arteta, and even Tim Howard plays for them...  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 27, 2006, 04:46:05 PM

Finally back to some premiership matches this weekend.  How long until Ole Gunner starts coming up in a steroids scandal?  This guy couldn't stay healthy through his prime and now he'sscoring goals left and right.  I love rooting for him, but it seems to be an odd resurrgence at his age.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 27, 2006, 11:26:41 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 27, 2006, 04:46:05 PM

Finally back to some premiership matches this weekend.  How long until Ole Gunner starts coming up in a steroids scandal?  This guy couldn't stay healthy through his prime and now he'sscoring goals left and right.  I love rooting for him, but it seems to be an odd resurrgence at his age.

When you sit for two years...he's basically two years younger. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2006, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: Old School on October 27, 2006, 11:26:41 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 27, 2006, 04:46:05 PM

Finally back to some premiership matches this weekend.  How long until Ole Gunner starts coming up in a steroids scandal?  This guy couldn't stay healthy through his prime and now he'sscoring goals left and right.  I love rooting for him, but it seems to be an odd resurrgence at his age.

When you sit for two years...he's basically two years younger. 

Hate to inform you, but, alas, it doesn't work that way! :(

He may have FULLY healed from nagging injuries, and saved two years of wear-and-tear, but he is STILL two years older!  (Considering the earlier phrases, maybe only one and a half years older!) ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 31, 2006, 12:47:37 AM
I love rooting for him, but it seems to be an odd resurrgence at his age.-------

It's called the last fumes in the Tank... All old athletes have that. When its over, its over. Some end their careers gracefully on high notes, others just head bunt their ways into retirement..(Hmmm, please say dear old becks can do this sometime soon, Let him leave the field not as a soft english fella. HEhE
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2006, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on October 31, 2006, 12:47:37 AM
I love rooting for him, but it seems to be an odd resurrgence at his age.-------

It's called the last fumes in the Tank... All old athletes have that. When its over, its over. Some end their careers gracefully on high notes, others just head bunt their ways into retirement..(Hmmm, please say dear old becks can do this sometime soon, Let him leave the field not as a soft english fella. HEhE

Beckham will always be a soft english fella, that's just who he is.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2006, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 01, 2006, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on October 31, 2006, 12:47:37 AM
I love rooting for him, but it seems to be an odd resurrgence at his age.-------

It's called the last fumes in the Tank... All old athletes have that. When its over, its over. Some end their careers gracefully on high notes, others just head bunt their ways into retirement..(Hmmm, please say dear old becks can do this sometime soon, Let him leave the field not as a soft english fella. HEhE

Beckham will always be a soft english fella, that's just who he is.

You may be right, but has there EVER been a more dangerous player off set plays?!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 02, 2006, 01:31:04 AM
What a game for FC Copenhagen. ;D Congrats to this team that never gave up

That was a late thriller by the way.
THey went ahead and ended Manchester United's perfect Champions League record thanks to a late goal from Marcus Allback. What a stunning and yet unexpected victory against the great Man. U... :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2006, 08:46:16 PM
Details are being worked out for Freddy Adu to have a 2-month tryout with Manchester United and if things go well, they'll try to sign him during the January transfer window.  I don't think he's good enough. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2006, 08:52:35 PM
OS,

You forgot to finish with a very important word - "YET". ;D

They may sign him just to keep anyone else from signing him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 11, 2006, 02:29:07 PM
It sounds and Looks like Man U. will take a chance on this young grass hoper and train him to be good. Many hope that with such experience Young freddy's skills can mirror what Pele used to do on the field. IMHO, I think that he will gain more knowlegde and preparation even if he doesn't have a starting spot. As long as he is picking up tips, skills and masterful techniques during practice, he will end up being better than he is.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on November 12, 2006, 08:26:55 PM
Adu had the chance to sign with Man U and many other  European clubs before he chose DC United at age 15.  It'll be interesting to see what Sir Alex and the Queroz  think of him after  spending a few years in the MLS. I think he has the potential to be a great player in the EPL. However, I do think his attitude is crap, kind of like how a teenager making $1mil might act: spoiled rotten.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2006, 08:37:59 PM
I have a vague recollection of recently reading about an American 13 or 14 year old who is supposedly BETTER than Freddy was at that age, but I can't recall any details.  Ring a bell with anyone?  (The only thing I recall was that his parents were Argentine [or possibly Brazillian], and strongly considering moving him back there.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2006, 01:08:43 PM

There's very little chance anyone is better than Adu was at 13-14.  It was one of the main reasons why everyone thought (thinks) he's lied about his age.  He literally kicked the world's butt in the big junior tournament that year.  I mean he made everyone including the great Lionel Messi look slow and foolish.  AC Milan offered him 4 million right there, but his mom didn't want him leaving home so young.

Now he's still good, but not nearly the world beater he was.  I think he'll do great with ManU because they have a strong youth program that plays a lot of matches and actually has a budget.  It's a good move for him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 16, 2006, 01:12:45 PM
Having a young sqaud facing with the Older guys will indeed make Adu better. And you guys are right, if ADU is not humble about having the opportunity to play with a club that is giving him millions, his ego will get the last of him, to the point where we will be hearing about him starting the left bench position.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 27, 2006, 01:10:43 PM
Fellas, I am so siked about the possible arrival of Juergen Klinsmann as the U.S. National team's H.C..(Eventhough he already lives here in the states.)

It's interesting to have read his resume and to discover what he does in order to do the best possible job as a H.C.
what's even funnier is that Klinsmann uses a plan that makes people think that he is crazy. His number one goal to improve any squad is just plan odd to some critics. But he does a fine job in knowing how to scout youth and use them in his master plan.

He did this to a german national team that was not that good for the past twp world cups and his result was awesome. The L.A. times pointed out that his german starters for the world cup team consisted of players that were no older than 23. This just points out that he mold young fast men into fast and mature guys that want to win at all means for their country.

THis plan would be crazy for the u.s., but he is willing to have the young and fast kids challenge even the big names on the US team in order to do well.
It would be awesome and yet interesting to see if Klinsmann helps our team reach its highest. 

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 27, 2006, 05:07:45 PM
Had Germany lost to Argentina in the World Cup, do you think Klinsmann would still be getting his current level of credit? (That match went to a penalty kick shootout which Germany won--however, Argentina was going with its'second string goal-keeper for the end of the second half, OT's and shoot-out).

As it was the few fellow German fans I talked to said they were very happy with Germany's fourth-place finish.  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on November 27, 2006, 07:08:01 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 27, 2006, 05:07:45 PM
Had Germany lost to Argentina in the World Cup, do you think Klinsmann would still be getting his current level of credit? (That match went to a penalty kick shootout which Germany won--however, Argentina was going with its'second string goal-keeper for the end of the second half, OT's and shoot-out).

As it was the few fellow German fans I talked to said they were very happy with Germany's fourth-place finish.  ;)

He's not the one that substituted Riquelme for some god awful reason.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 28, 2006, 01:07:16 PM
Interesting that you brought that up WLC---

Yet so true. I remember watching that game and seeing that towards the end of time, Argentinas back-up goalie had to be put in. What a way to put pressure on the back-up heading into OT on the worlds biggest stage.

THe point though is that Klinsmann did better than his successor with the German national team. He made sure to go with guys that were young, fast and urgent to win more games. He convinced the youngsters to do above than what was expected. In in the end we all say that as they crushed their opponents before they made it to the last leg of the tourney. The germany team wanted to proved that being young and having home field advantage across the tourney was a way be placed on the map of the world in terms of soccer
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on December 01, 2006, 10:39:15 AM
Regarding Adu's tryout:

"Freddy has done all right," Ferguson confirmed. "He is a good talented young boy but there is nothing we can do about him. What we did was to bring him here to give him an idea of what United was like, so he could see the place and see how comfortable he was with it.

"He is a very confident and talented boy but nothing can be done just yet. He will go back to the United States and we will keep a check on him. Then, when he is 18, we will have to assess what we can do next."

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 01, 2006, 11:38:48 AM
Good Ol' Man U. should be praised for thinking about the present and not yet on the future. apparently, Man. U really wants to stay on top of being billed as the Club that will take it all with a team of the highest quality
In fact,The shock arrival of Henrik Larsson will mark the end of Manchester United's extensive striker search until next summer. Moves like this just point out that The U. is doing everything possible to be the best.

However, its sad to hear and read that Freddy Adu was only invited by the U. to first be assessed and report that he should be ready by the time he is 18. What a lame excuse. If they really want the present to be better, the least they can do is have this fresh talent on the practice squad fighting for a chance to be an awesome player.



Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 08, 2006, 12:29:18 PM
Fellas,

It will be interesting to see what Coach Bradley does as he steps in for the HC job for the National Team. It would have been great to learn and see what Klinsmann would have done had he used his strategy in employing at ton of youth in his starting line-up. For a min. I was so siked about his game plan. Yet, I am still happy to see that Bradley will now get a chance to show off his coaching skills at the highest level. It will indeed be interesting to see what he does come june as the Defending Concaf.......(sp) cup champs gear up for the World Cup trials.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on December 08, 2006, 02:07:21 PM
Im looking forward to the CONCACAF Gold Cup semis and finals in Chicago this summer.   Im going to have to get on those tickets early.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 08, 2006, 03:24:28 PM
I hear ya on that stinger. I just finish trying to look into getting tickets for the U.S. match against Denmark at the home dept. center and it looks like they will easily sell out by the end of this month. In all, like i mentioned, with Bradley as the new general for the U.s. team be ready for see a preview for whats to come later in the future.   

Tickets for the U.s game v.s Denmark  $85 and up
Hot dogs and beer for the game $8
parking $10

Getting to sit next to hot blonds during a sunny and warm 5:00pm kickoff for the u.s. national team during Winter time in So. Cal ............priceless 8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on December 20, 2006, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on December 01, 2006, 11:38:48 AM
Moves like this just point out that The U. is doing everything possible to be the best.
Kind of like what Chelsea does???  IMO, Chelsea is worse than ManU in this area.

Quote from: Browneagle64 on December 01, 2006, 11:38:48 AMHowever, its sad to hear and read that Freddy Adu was only invited by the U. to first be assessed and report that he should be ready by the time he is 18. What a lame excuse. If they really want the present to be better, the least they can do is have this fresh talent on the practice squad fighting for a chance to be an awesome player.
Actually, it's not an excuse at all.  It's UK employment law.  Here's an article that tells all about it from BBC Sport:

'Adu has to wait on Man Utd future' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/6199938.stm)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 22, 2006, 06:53:01 PM
Looks like Coach Bradley is penciling in to play against our rivals south of the border sooner than we expected. It sould be fun watching coach "HuGoal" sanchez and Coach Bradley match their national team HC debuts.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 07, 2007, 04:26:26 PM
Watching Spain/England right now. Superb goal by Barca's Iniesta just put Spain on top in the 63rd. 

Im really looking forward to USA/Mexico tonight. Mexico is fielding a very strong side.   Nice article regading the matchup from SI's Grant Wahl:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/grant_wahl/02/07/us.mexico/index.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 07, 2007, 05:45:36 PM
Tonights game between USA and Mexico should be exciting. The lines up have been announced by both teams and the expectations are just about right for a rivalary match like this.

Expect to see a fast and young USA score sooner and quicker in the 2nd half. I'll give team Mexico the first edge in scoring, but after their old farts can't hang in the game, expect team USA to dominate. Coach bradley will indeed capitalize on this.

Go team USA
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 08, 2007, 08:06:49 AM
Excellent result for the US team.  I thought for sure the Mexican team would push through for a score. 

You gotta love the assist by the referee. Donovan absolutely sailed past those defenders once he got it. Awesome stuff.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2007, 08:33:24 AM

I watched Iniesta's goal in the highlight they showed at halftime of the US game and all I could say was, "we have no one who can take a shot a like that and Iniesta's like the tenth best scorer in Spain; that's how much farther we've still got to go."


Regardless, we got some marked improvement in the match.  After the world cup we had two issues 1)not enough world class defenders and 2)no offensive creativity.

We're still struggling with two, but even though we were without two of our starting backs (Onyewu and Spector) the defense still showed a lot of life and Howard was just exquisite in goal.  Jimmy Conrad proved he can take Eddie Pope's place and Bornstein showed he can start as well.  I think there's definately hope for the defense.

Now we just have to get the scorers going.  I think with proper prep, Convey would be a lot better at the front, but he's in the middle of a rough season, so I'll cut him some slack.  As much as Donovan is boring and predictable, he's very good and now that he's actually trying to score goals, that can only help us.

The one glaring hole that I didn't think about was in central midfield.  The US can beat Mexico just fine without Reyna in there, but Clark is not a long term replacement if we're going to challenge European teams.  Maybe Cherundolo can fit in there (he and Beasley were also missing from out top line-up), but if not, Bradley really needs to be looking for someone who can step up into that role.

I would have liked to see Justin Mapp get some minutes, but we've got, what, three matches in the next month, so I expect we'll get more of him soon.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 08, 2007, 05:01:59 PM
What an awesome job Donavon did last night. Not only was his corner kick awesome but his attempts in spreading the ball to his teammates and ultimately going for the goal was beautiful.

Glad to see that Coach bradley had a good game plan. I surely thought Team mexico would have been the first to score, but several plays did not go their way. I am sure they will be fine once world cup 2010 rolls by.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2007, 09:37:22 AM

I'm glad Howard is getting full time play at Everton out of the giant ManU spotlight.  He's really shown improvement over previous national team stints.  I would have named him man of the match.  He had to make more than one match's share of saves in that one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 09, 2007, 05:26:14 PM
I concure with that Hoops. It looks like howard will be w good player this time around
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on March 06, 2007, 05:24:43 PM
Exciting game at Anfield this afternoon.  Liverpool had some great chances in the first half, by Bellamy and Risse. Not sure how they didn't go in.  Barca broke through in the 80th from GudJohnson, but it wasn't enough.  They go down on away goals.

I'm a Merengue fan, and that 90' goal they let in at the Bernabeu could come back to bite them tomorrow.  No Becks, Reyes, and maybe not Cannavaro. Could be a tough go.  Just need Ruud to poke one in.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 06, 2007, 08:03:54 PM
Barcelona sure didn't play like a team needing 2 goals, they were pretty ordinary untill later, Liverpool dominated the first half hour and should have been up 2-0.

Liverpool seems to turn it up in the Champions League and are rather disappointing in the league.

Good shot at 4 English clubs in the final 8 if Arsenal shows up tommorrow.  Inter losing was a surprise.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 19, 2007, 09:41:17 AM
Couple of questions:

Caught Ajax's 5-1 pasting of PSV Eindhoven. The press release I saw after the match indicated that kind of result wasn't expected. Has Ajax been down this year?

Also caught Leverkusen's victory over Lens that advanced the German squad to the final 8 in UEFA Cup action. Anyone want to chime in on Leverkusen's or Bremen's chances to take the whole thing?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 19, 2007, 10:17:25 AM

Eindhoven has taken over ownership of the Eerdivise over the last few seasons and securely hold the reigns at this point.  While Ajax is still competitive, they are not in the position where anyone would expect five goals.

The German teams probably have as good a chance as anyone.  I don't see a dominant squad left among the final eight.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 29, 2007, 06:49:12 AM
Latest finals:

USA 0, Guatemala 0. (this after a win over Ecuador.)  :)

Mexico 4, Ecuador 2. (Mexico scored the last 3 goals in this one to get the win.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 29, 2007, 10:02:13 AM

Yeah, we started a bunch of newbies.  From everything I've read it seems like Dempsey and Johnson were doing well, but none of the young guys stepped up to finish the job.  Even Donovan got on the new guys for playing slow and unaggressive.  It's got to be pretty bad for the pot to call the kettle lazy.

The good news: Jon Spector is back healthy and playing well.  He even muffed a point blank shot on goal, which is a required skill for every good fullback in international play.

We better bring home enough Euros for the Gold Cup or we're going to be in big trouble.



PS Three more matches for Keller and we won't have to see Tony Meola's ugly mug in the record books anymore.  Thank God!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 10, 2007, 08:44:25 AM
Great couple of day of games in the CL today and tomorrow.  How will Chelsea handle its visit the Mestalla? Morientes is back, and he, Villa and Abelda are going to knock out the Blues.  Roma/Man U should be a beauty. Rooneys goal could be the difference.  Liverpool has already booked its way to the semis, and I think Bayern loses on away goals. 

I just  hope these fans can keep their pants on.  The violence last week was ridiculous.  Looks like the lockdown is on at Old Trafford.  When I lived in Valencia in 1998, Liverpool came down to the Mestalla for a 2nd round match up in the Uefa Cup. There was a lot of trouble from the Liverpool fans.   It really got ugly in some parts of the city.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 10, 2007, 09:14:32 AM

I don't know.  Chelsea will get through if they can score twice today.  It seems like ManU will have the harder time.  They're down one and only got one away goal.  The defense will have to come up big and I'm not sold on their form right now.  As for tomorrow, I like Bayern, but they've disappointed me before.  Liverpool is definitely through.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 10, 2007, 03:08:41 PM
Man U take a 3-0 lead at the 19 min mark on goals by Carrick, Smith and Rooney.  Can't imagine a better start. Roma is in a funk.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 10, 2007, 03:20:22 PM

I guess they're on form.  Giggs seems to be doing very well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 10, 2007, 03:55:55 PM
How about 5-0?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 10, 2007, 03:59:52 PM
This ManU squad seems to be coming in waves.  They don't even have a starting line-up out there right now that they would be caught dead with in the premiership, yet they seem to be dominating a very good Roma team.

They've had these ups and downs during the premiership season as well.  It seems like they should be able to challenge for the double, but you never know when that sluggish, individualistic squad will show up.

Giggs for MVP (he's up to 4 assists on the match).

By the way, Chelsea just tied in up (1-1), one more and they've all but locked it up.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 10, 2007, 04:38:41 PM

Now we're in injury time and Michael Essien just scored to put Chelsea up 2-1 (3-2 on aggregate).  Even if Valencia even things up, the Blues go through on away goals.

That makes two Premiership squads in the semis.  Liverpool can make three tomorrow.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 10, 2007, 04:51:28 PM
If Liverpool make it, they'd get Chelsea in the semi's.

Liverpool should take note of what happened to Roma today, although I seriously doubt PSV can get 4 at Anfield, which is what they'd need.


Hoops, ManU can actually do the treble, they're still in the FA Cup with a match against lowly Watford in the semi's.

ManU and Chelsea could end up in the finals of both the Champions League and FA Cup to go along with slugging out the Premiership right down to the wire.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 10, 2007, 05:19:29 PM
Chelsea has a chance at a quad. 

The Champions League is very cyclical, no? The Spanish teams dominated a few years back, Italy at times, now the EPL is flexing their muscles. 

Now that Valencia is out, I'm backing Liverpool.  That semi is going to be another doozy, much like 2 years ago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 10, 2007, 05:50:40 PM

I knew ManU was out of the Carling, but I was too lazy to check where they were with the FA Cup.  The treble is king and they'd love to do it again, especially in a season where they aren't exactly playing up to their potential.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 10, 2007, 06:14:44 PM
Forgot Chelsea won the League Cup.  That would be amazing to win all 4.


I guess you could end up with Liverpool winning the Euro, ManU winning the Premiership and Chelsea winning the FA Cup.......that would be odd.  I guess everyone would be happy.



Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 13, 2007, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: sac on April 10, 2007, 04:51:28 PM
ManU and Chelsea could end up in the finals of both the Champions League and FA Cup to go along with slugging out the Premiership right down to the wire.  Good stuff.
Right now I'm pulling for ManU and Chelsea to make it through to the finals of both the FA Cup and the CL. 

That result for ManU agaisnt Portsmouth could not have been worse, especially given the form that Chelsea has been in (they haven't lost or drawn in EPL matches since a 2-0 loss at Liverpool back in January :o).  With ManU's lead down to just 3 points, that noose just keeps getting tighter and tighter, especially with their big EPL showdown looming on May 9th.

Even with that horrible resut at Portsmouth, ManU certainly found a way to erase that bad memory with their very impressive showing against Roma.  If they can find a way to continue to play that unselfish style,  they will be tough to catch.  Especially if Carrick continues to strike the ball like he did vs. Roma!

But, like Hoops Fan pointed out, you never know when that other ManU squad like the one that lost at Portsmouth will show up again?! ::)

All in all, it's a great time to be a fan of the EPL!  Three teams in the final 4 of the Champions League.  A chance to have ManU and Chelsea slugging it out in the finals of the FA Cup, the Champions League and the EPL Title!  Makes for some exciting football watching over the next month or so!  This is the time of year that I'm glad that I have the Fox Soccer Channel! 8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 13, 2007, 10:14:50 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 13, 2007, 09:18:12 AM
This is the time of year that I'm glad that I have the Fox Soccer Channel!

Can I come over and watch?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 13, 2007, 11:15:44 AM
It gets even better, checking the schedules last night  Chelsea and ManU play on Wed. May 9th in the second to last game of the EPL season.  With just 3 points separating them right now it looks pretty likely that game will decide the title.

Both clubs face a killer 8 day stretch up to that game with Chelsea facing Liverpool, Arsenal, then ManU.   ManU faces  ACMilan, ManCity, then Chelsea.  Throw in the previous week where ManU face ACMilan and Everton.  Tough going.

1 week later the FA Cup Final and later the Champions Cup Final.  Esentially they could play 3 times in 3 weeks.  Of course both have a lot of winning to go,  Liverpool has a really easy Prem schedule to finish the season so they'll go all out for the Champions Cup semi's.




note:  On the day ManU lost to Portsmouth, Chelsea was literally 1 minute away from an embarrasing draw at last place Watford.  A very late goal turned the title race on its head.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 13, 2007, 11:32:47 AM

Liverpool has the best Champs League team.  They are just more set-up for a run at major Euro titles than they are for the EPL.  Nothing wrong with that, but it seems like they have a better shot at it than Chelsea.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 14, 2007, 07:48:18 PM
ManU keeps their scoring surge continuing with a 4-1 thumping of Watford today to push them into the FA Cup finals.  Rooney had 2 goals today for the Reds.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 17, 2007, 03:54:19 PM

Beasley scored again for Man City today (they're tied 1-1 with Arsenal at the half).  I'm glad to see the quicker play is suiting him.  It will be very good for the US squad if he can become a confident scorer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 24, 2007, 09:09:18 AM
Boy oh boy.  Did Chelsea blow a golden opportunity to really put the pressure on the boys from ManU last weekend or what?!

I recorded the ManU match (it was too damn nice to sit inside and watch it live on Saturday!) and with the ease of how they scored that 1st goal, I thought they would be off and running.  But give credit to Boro as they didn't back down and in all reality, could have easily come away from Old Trafford with 3 points!  That really would have been a huge blow to the Reds.

Speaking of blows, ManU will be without the services of Rio Ferdinand and 5 other key members including basically their entire defense in their Champions League semi-final with AC Milan today!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 10:23:44 AM

Wes Brown is a little slow in the middle, but he's certainly a class fullback.  John O'Shea is also a quality defender.  They'll have Richardson out of position along the back, but so long as the mid-field keeps up with the pressure, they should be fine.  This is where Rooney and Ronaldo really have to prove themselves on the world scale.  They'll have to get back on defense while keeping the attack pressure on.

AC is coming in weak this year, so unless things click together for them, I can't see it being out of reach for ManU in the second leg.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 24, 2007, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 24, 2007, 10:23:44 AM

This is where Rooney and Ronaldo really have to prove themselves on the world scale.  They'll have to get back on defense while keeping the attack pressure on.

Giggs was rested for Saturday's Boro match and the announcers said it really made a huge difference and it allowed Boro to really clamp down on Ronaldo.  He was basically a non-factor in that match.  With Giggs back in the lineup today, I would look for Ronaldo to make much more of an impact.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 10:47:24 AM


Yeah, Giggs has been the MVP this year.  They better reward him with another year or two.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 24, 2007, 10:56:32 AM
According to the BBC, these are the players who will not able to play for Man U due to injury:

Rio Ferdinand, Gary Neville, Nemanja Vidic, Mikael Silvestre, Craig Cathcart, Louis Saha, Ji-Sung Park and Kieran Richardson.

Some big boots to fill there.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 11:11:19 AM

I'm not sure about Richardson.  The last article I read was dated yesterday and had him starting on the back line.  If he's out too, that would mean they're down to 12 first teamers active for this one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 24, 2007, 12:18:35 PM
The injury list I posted was from an article posted this morning--it is still up on bbc.co.uk.  I guess we'll know in a couple of hours.

Also, Chelsea's Michael Essien has been arrested on suspicion of drink-driving (the Brit term).  He wouldn't have played against Liverpool anyway due to accumulated yellows.  He's been bailed until July "pending inquiries."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 24, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
I saw the ManU game and highlights of Chelsea/Newcastle.........this was the first clear evidence that these teams have worn down to me.  Neither looked energetic and both got what they deserved and maybe more.

With the tough fixture list for both squads in the next 3 weeks, there will be a twist or two in the Premiership title race.  Pretty fun to watch for a change, lately its been over pretty early.

If anyone bothers to follow the Championship League, its down to 3 teams within 2 points of each other with 2 to play.   Birmingham, Sunderland, Derby at 83, 82 and 81 points..........plus there are 7 other teams within 2 points of the last 3 playoff spots.


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 02:36:58 PM
The line-up is announced.  Richardson is not on the pitch, but is on the substitute bench along with: Eagles, Fangzhou, Kuszczak, Lee, Smith, and Solskjaer

Starting:

G - Van der Sar
D - Brown
D - Evra
D - Heinze
D - O'Shea
M - Carrick
M - Fletcher
M - Giggs
M - Ronaldo
M - Scholes
F - Rooney


If ManU stumbles, it will be due to a fresh Filipo Inzaghi coming of the bench in the second half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 03:00:56 PM

5th minute: Ronaldo head a corner directly at Dida, who palms it up in the air and into the net.  Officially an OG, but a great way to begin for ManU.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 03:17:25 PM

Kaka with a goal to tie it up in the 21st minute.  ManU is on, but their lack of defense may pose a problem, especially late.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 03:34:57 PM

Kaka scores again, going three on one with the makeshift ManU defense and winning.  He's playing really well today.  Oh and the ManU defense better get healthy quick, Evra's yellow knocks him out of the second leg.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 04:12:59 PM

Rooney put home the equalizer shortly after Carrick missed an open net from 5 yards out.


ManU still needs one more goal.  I can't imagine them scoring more than 2 in Milan; they need to come out of this one ahead.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 04:42:11 PM


ManU 3:2 AC Milan

Rooney put in a  goal from outside the box just as the assistant referee was putting up the sign for two ET minutes.


The Red Devils escaped with one here; Milan was not on its game offensively.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 25, 2007, 09:14:10 AM
I  watched the ManU/AC Milan match last night and what a match it was!  Rooney has really found his scoring touch in Champions League matches.  After going scoreless in 17 straight Champions League matches he has now found the back of the net in 3 straight!

Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 24, 2007, 04:42:11 PM
The Red Devils escaped with one here; Milan was not on its game offensively.
I thought that Milan blew a golden opportunity.  After Kaka scored his second to put Milan up 2-1, you could really see a deflated ManU side and Milan tried to jump on them then, but failed to get that curcial 3rd goal.  Then in the 2nd Kaka had a couple of golden opportunities to get Milan's 3rd goal, but couldn't find the net.  Once ManU scored the equalizer, it was all Reds from that point on and all Milan could do was seemingly hold on for dear life until Rooney got free for the winner just into ST!

Personally, I don't think it was a case of Milan not being on their game offensively.  Yes, they very easily could have put 4-5 goals in last night, but on the same token, ManU missed several golden opportunites as well.  Carrick's miss from point blank range off of a corner was one and Dida made some fantastic saves off of a couple of really good strikes from Fletcher. 

Really, I think the difference in the match were a couple of key injuries for Milan and the fact that ManU really tired out the veteran Itialian side.  Losing Maldini at the half and Gattuso early in the 2nd really hurt Milan.

As for next week's game at San Siro, Evra's card will deplete ManU's decimated lineup even more.  Although, Evra's booking was questionable at best.  But that's another story.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 25, 2007, 10:42:23 AM

AC just hasn't seemed to have it together offensively in their last four or five champs league matches.  They seem to be out of sorts.  Of course, they go back home one down with two away goals.  San Siro is a huge advantage for them; ManU will be lucky to score more than 1 goal.  It will have to be a defensive effort for them.

Evra might not have deserved the card when he got it, but about thirty seconds later he totally earned it with a hard tackle.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 25, 2007, 03:24:15 PM

Chelsea and Liverpool are well under way.  Joe Cole scored in the 29th minute on a feed from Drogba to put the home side up.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 25, 2007, 08:37:14 PM
I hope next weeks Chelsea/Liverpool game has more action, ...........and less Zenden.  Liverpool were strange today.........it took me 90 minutes to realize Riise was even in the game and that was during handshakes, and it took almost as long for Liverpool to realize that they have Steven Gerrard and he's kind of good.  Bellamy was invisible........guess you credit Chelsea's defense but Liverpool were almost no threat offensively today. 

Also hope Drogba recovers from all those injuries.  ::) :D


But at any rate, both games are set up for a tense 90 minutes next week.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 26, 2007, 10:09:59 AM

Yeah, it was odd.  It was almost as if Liverpool was playing for a draw from the beginning and didn't know what to do when Chelsea scored.  I know they have a tremendous home pitch advantage, but the tactics seemed off.

Oh well, it will certainly be exciting next week, although I'll be at the dentist when it's on.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 26, 2007, 12:39:25 PM
I have the match on Tivo but haven't watched it yet.  The starting lineup was not what I would have expected--I would have started either Pennant or Gonzales on a wing, especially with Bellamy up front as those two are faster.  Zenden was a surprise and, although he seems a solid player, he hasn't produced much for the Reds yet.  But then that's why Rafa is there and I'm not.   :D

As a Liverpool supporter I'm disappointed but not terribly discouraged.  The Reds have already beaten Chelsea 2-0 at Anfield once this season.  I think the fact that Chelsea is still contending for the PL title may force them to go all out this weekend--more so than Liverpool will have to.

Both matches next week look to be very interesting and tight.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 26, 2007, 02:32:14 PM
Given the fact, yesterday was the first goal Chelsea has scored vs Liverpool in 5 Euro matches you can't really fault the tactics.  The goal was really two great all out hustle and muscle plays by Drogba and Cole.

I just thought it was weird that Zenden seemed to have the ball so much, I've never thought he was all that great.


.....and yeah, Chelsea get Arsenal Saturday.  Not exactly a pushover game where you can rest people.  Liverpool have Portsmouth, but have no incentive to field a strong team.  They can't finish 2nd and can do no worse than 4th, garunteed a Champions League spot.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 26, 2007, 03:16:57 PM

I heard rumor than Zenden and other unexpected starters were getting minutes and possession because a number of Chelsea players were sitting on yellows and Liverpool was looking to thin the ranks for next week.  It didn't really work out that way, but it makes a little more sense tactically.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 26, 2007, 03:24:53 PM
My bad.......Chelsea get Bolton this weekend, still no pushover and Bolton's playing for a UEFA Cup spot.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 27, 2007, 12:03:08 PM
I don't think Chelsea has any choice but to field a strong team for their EPL matches if they want any conceivable shot at catching ManU for the title.  Especially given the fact that ManU is pretty much ravaged by injuries.  This is now or never time for Chelsea as far as catching and overtaking ManU for the EPL title.  If I were Mourinho, I would make my priority getting 3 points on Saturday and then letting the chips fall where they may vs. Liverpool next week at Anfield.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 27, 2007, 12:07:32 PM

There's a lot more money in a Champs League victory than in an EPL first place though.  I'd have to think with the money that goes into these clubs these days that pounds would have to be the first thing on their minds.

As far as fans go, what do think the fans like more?  Especially from these super-clubs who are always competing in Europe, sure the EPL title is great, but being European Champion has to be high on the list.  I haven't had much exposure to UK fans, but it seems like they are far more into cup competitions (FA Cup, Champs League) than they are the EPL.  Again, an "it's nice to win, but so long as we get a top place we're ok" sort of mentality.  What do you all think?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Northern_Explorer on April 27, 2007, 01:09:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 27, 2007, 12:07:32 PM

There's a lot more money in a Champs League victory than in an EPL first place though.  I'd have to think with the money that goes into these clubs these days that pounds would have to be the first thing on their minds.
Generally, I think the league is the top priority for domestic fans.  Champions League is huge as well - lots of teams field weakened FA Cup sides (and League Cup as well), but I think it's a situation where you're going for it on both ends.  Neither Chelsea nor ManUtd are going to be able to rest anyone down the stretch and obviously injuries and "man management" are critical.  Basically, if United can get Ferdinand or Vidic back, they're probably home and dry - it's coming down to whether United can hold it together without Ferdinand better than Chelsea did while Terry was out.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 27, 2007, 01:14:40 PM
I wasn't sure about the financial difference between the EPL Title and the Champions League title.  Hearing that there is more money at stake in winning the Champions League, not to mention the bragging rights that go along with saying your club is the best in all of Europe, I would have to say that Chelsea is in a real tough spot. 

The fact that they are in the FA Cup Finals might lessen the blow to the Blues and their fans, should they not catch ManU for the EPL Title.  I know what you mean when you say how seriously the English fans covet their Cups.  I was in London back in '97 when Chelsea won the FA Cup and the celebrations that ensued were unbeleivable! 

So, I retract what I said about Saturday's EPL matches for both Chelsea and ManU.  Thier sights are definately set on each other, but moreso in facing one another in the Champions League finals as well as the FA Cup final which is already set!

What really astounds me by the developements of this season is the fact that there are 2 EPL teams in position to pull off the Treble! :o  Pulling off the Treble is an incredibly difficult feat for one team to pull off, let alone having 2 teams battling it out down to the wire for the possibility of pulling it off!!!

Can anyone recall in recent EPL history of any 2 teams battling it out for the Champions League, FA Cup and 1-2 in the EPL Title chase like Chelsea and ManU are about to do should they both get through the semis of the CL?  This is some fun stuff we are being witness to!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 27, 2007, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 27, 2007, 12:07:32 PM


As far as fans go, what do think the fans like more?  Especially from these super-clubs who are always competing in Europe, sure the EPL title is great, but being European Champion has to be high on the list.  I haven't had much exposure to UK fans, but it seems like they are far more into cup competitions (FA Cup, Champs League) than they are the EPL.  Again, an "it's nice to win, but so long as we get a top place we're ok" sort of mentality.  What do you all think?

At the moment, I imagine that Man U and Chelsea supporters are much higher on the EPL than anybody else, for good reason.

Europe, and particularly the Champions League, is very important to Liverpool for historical reasons; there's a rich tradition there.  If you go to the LFC website there's a selection of realtones with the Kop singing in full voice.  "You'll Never Walk Alone," of course, but "We've Won It Five Times" as well.  Of course, the fact that LFC are currently third in the EPL and have no chance of overtaking the top two makes the priorities clear.  I think they'd still like to finish ahead of Arsenal in the EPL, but Rafa has been known to make hard choices (like the FA and Carling Cup matches this year).

Remember, too, that Chelsea still have to play Arsenal in the EPL this season.  I think that they are stretched the thinnest.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 27, 2007, 01:36:53 PM

The good thing is that Arsenal are falling apart, so I don't think there will be a problem for Liverpool (who are playing well) to finish in third.  They do love their Champs League, though and you have to like their chances as this squad is markedly better than the one that won it all two years ago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 28, 2007, 12:01:32 AM
Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, and Jose Reina are not even making the trip to Portsmouth, and Benitez plans to rest several other players as well.  He's quoted on ESPN Soccernet: 'The priority of my club is getting through the semi-final and reaching the final of the Champions League. If we finished third in the premiership it would be really good, but to play in the final of the Champions League would be better.' 

That makes Liverpool's priorities pretty clear!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 28, 2007, 11:52:04 AM
ManU is now 5 points clear of Chelsea after today's EPL action.  ManU had a dramatic come from behind win at Everton, 4-2.

Meanwhile, Chelsea couldn't preserve a 2-1 lead at the half at Stamford Bridge as they allowed Bolton to score the equalizer in the 2nd half.  Bolton then hung on for dear life to preserve the draw!

ManU's match with Everton had trouble written all over it for the Reds.  ManU trailed at the half 1-0 and Everton made ManU's bid for even a point look gloomy only 5 minutes into the 2nd half as they made it 2-0.  That's when the comeback started for ManU.  John O'Shea got the Reds on the board first.  Then Phil Neville put in an own goal off of a Ronaldo header to even the match.  Rooney kept his scoring boots on as he found the back of the net to give the Reds their first lead of the match and then sub Chris Eagles cemented the win for ManU with a goal in the 90th minute putting the Reds 5 clear of Chelsea! 8)

With this huge win for ManU, they now only need one more win to secure the EPL title.  A win at Manchester City next Saturday would clinch the title for ManU!  Perhaps the first in ManU's quest for the Treble!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 28, 2007, 12:05:10 PM
Sounds like a huge win for Man U and a big setback for Chelsea with the draw.

Benitez made good on that quote I posted earlier.  Robbie Fowler and Craig Bellamy started at striker; Peter Crouch was not even on the substitute list (meaning it's likely he'll start against Chelsea at Anfield on Tuesday).  Stoppage time just ended, wtih Portsmouth taking the win at 2-1.  Sami Hyypia scored, a fairly rare occurance, for the only Liverpool goal. 

Speaking of Portsmouth, does anyone else think David James has been playing much better this season than ever before?  He seems rejuvenated.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 28, 2007, 02:47:30 PM
Liverpool fielded a really weak team today, looks like they rested their substitutes as well.  It was practically a B squad team today.

ManU's comeback is pretty impressive, that should give them a big lift going to Italy.  If they can beat Man City next weekend and face Chelsea the next Wed. with a 5 point lead, they should feel pretty safe.  Chelsea has blown two golden opportunities 2 weekends in a row to catch United.



David James has looked good in the games I've seen him........doesn't he have a pretty good defense in front of him also.  Sol Campbell still looks pretty good at times.  But I would agree, he seemed to be in goalie purgatory the last 3 or 4 years.

Quote from: ScotsFan on April 28, 2007, 11:52:04 AM

With this huge win for ManU, they now only need one more win to secure the EPL title.  A win at Manchester City next Saturday would clinch the title for ManU!  Perhaps the first in ManU's quest for the Treble!!!

Not quite...........ManU has 3 games left with ManCity, Chelsea, West Ham
Chelsea have Arsenal, ManU and Everton.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 29, 2007, 10:36:50 AM
Quote from: sac on April 28, 2007, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 28, 2007, 11:52:04 AM

With this huge win for ManU, they now only need one more win to secure the EPL title.  A win at Manchester City next Saturday would clinch the title for ManU!  Perhaps the first in ManU's quest for the Treble!!!

Not quite...........ManU has 3 games left with ManCity, Chelsea, West Ham
Chelsea have Arsenal, ManU and Everton.
You're right.  I was going by what they were saying on the ManU website's writeup of the Everton match.  They've since changed it stating that ManU needs a maximum of 5 points to clinch the title.  Of course, if ManU were to win and Chelsea could only muster another draw vs. Arsenal, the title would be ManU's.

One question I have is, say ManU clinches the title next week.  Given the fact that ManU and Chelsea already have a date scheduled for May 19th in the FA Cup Final and the possibility of having another date in Athens for the Champions League final, do these 2 teams bring their youth clubs for that match? ;)  Of course I'm kidding about the youth clubs, but, this match would be virtually meaningless, and it would seem pointless to either side to field a strong team risking injuries that could affect their clashes of significance in the near future. 

Personally, I'm hoping that ManU doesn't clinch on Saturday, so we could get the chance to see these 2 clubs really go after it!  But I won't be complaining if ManU could manage to wrap it up Saturday either!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on May 01, 2007, 10:30:57 AM
I hope that everyone on this board is pulling for S. Africa to be able to host the 2010 world cup events. Although, we still have time before those summer games, FIFA has already decided to call the STATES, Spain and even Mexico to be considered as Plan B if the S.Africans are not ready and prepared to host the games. I sure do hope they get everything togther and are able to host the games.
What do you guys think?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 01, 2007, 10:54:55 AM

I heard England was included as a possible alternative host as well.


Chelsea and Liverpool today.  Should be a good one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 01, 2007, 03:22:59 PM

Liverpool have evened the tie midway through the first half of play.  They either need to keep pushing or bring everyone back.  They have to keep Chelsea off the board or score two more.  A 2-1 win gets them nothing; gotta love away goals.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 01, 2007, 05:20:01 PM

We're heading to penalties at Anfield.  I totally called this.  I'm rooting for Liverpool, but of course anything can happen in penalties.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 01, 2007, 05:28:54 PM

Liverpool are headed back to the final.  Two late (100+ minute) subs Robben and Geremi have their penalties saved by Reina and Liverpool advance.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 01, 2007, 05:44:39 PM
So was that tense enough?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 02, 2007, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: sac on May 01, 2007, 05:44:39 PM
So was that tense enough?
Just a tad!!!  For as boring as their 1st leg was at Stamford Bridge, this one lived up to and surpassed all the hype surrounding it! 

I was on the edge of my couch the entire 2nd half.  And then I had to endure 2 extra times before Reina came up HUGE in penalties! 

As much as I wanted to see Chelsea and ManU in the finals, I just couldn't fnd myself pulling for them at all!  They're what I consider the equivalent to the Yankees and the 'Evil Emire' of the EPL, so I just love it when they get beat!

That atmosphere at Anfield was pretty special as well!  As if there's not enough pressure on these players to convert their penalties, can you imagine having to do it as nearly 50,000 Liverpool supporters are jeering and booing you would be daunting to say the least!  I wonder what affect Anfield had on Robben and Geremi? 8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 02, 2007, 09:28:59 AM
Quote from: sac on May 01, 2007, 05:44:39 PM
So was that tense enough?

It was tense, but rewarding.  (From the standpoint of Liverpool supporters, of course  ;)). 

It was clear what each team was trying to do at first--Liverpool had to score, and Chelsea tried to stop them--but it didn't seem that Chelsea had a Plan B after the Liverpool goal.  That was a beauty, with Stevie G's kick contributing a great deal to Agger's finish.

I thought the "Special One" might change formations when more offense was needed--Drogba was awfully alone up front there.  Chelsea are a very good side with a lot of wonderful players, but they seem to have an attitude that they can do no wrong.  Every call that did not go their way brought moans and complaints, even some when it was obvious on replay that there was no contact at all.  The comparison to the Yankees is spot on.

Don't know which matchup would be better for the Reds in Athens.  There is talk on the BBC that FA officials are concerned about policing should it be the two English clubs.  But what a great testimonial to the EPL!

I'm taking a group of students on a London semester this fall, and one thing my family is going to do is visit Anfield.   I already have my "This is Anfield" scarf--can't wait!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 02, 2007, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 02, 2007, 09:05:58 AM
I wonder what affect Anfield had on Robben and Geremi?

I know it's total coincidence, but it seems odd that the two guys who got stopped were the ones with the freshest legs.


Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 02, 2007, 09:28:59 AM
I'm taking a group of students on a London semester this fall, and one thing my family is going to do is visit Anfield.   I already have my "This is Anfield" scarf--can't wait!

This probably goes without saying, but you do have to take a nice train ride up to Liverpool to see Anfield.  Not too bad a side trip, but certainly some extra planning required.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 02, 2007, 10:38:39 AM
Hoops--Don't worry, I am only too aware of the planning involved.  Have been to London countless times and Liverpool three times to date.  But I can see why you might have thought that from what I wrote.:)

We're planning an optional three-day Liverpool weekend for students:  the Beatles Story, the Magical Mystery Tour Bus, the McCartney and Lennon home tours, and the tour of Anfield.  Then, my family and I are going back at a later time to go to a match. 

Oh yes, there is also teaching involved in this gig, just in case anyone was wondering :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 02, 2007, 10:40:42 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 02, 2007, 10:38:39 AM
Oh yes, there is also teaching involved in this gig, just in case anyone was wondering.

So you got the raw end of the deal, huh?  Aren't travel seminars just "read a few books, visit a bunch of museums, write a few papers, pay for the prof's vacation?"
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 02, 2007, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 02, 2007, 10:40:42 AM

So you got the raw end of the deal, huh?  Aren't travel seminars just "read a few books, visit a bunch of museums, write a few papers, pay for the prof's vacation?"

I've heard of a case that was exactly like that--but I could never do that.  I used to lead hikes for the Appalachian Mountain Club (in New England, not in Illinois!) and the only times I ever had problems were when I tried a hike I hadn't done before, or done recently.  Trips and museums are on the agenda, sure, but there is an academic context.

And as for a vacation...playing mom and pop to twenty 19 and 20 year-olds who are suddenly of legal drinking age, many of whom have never cooked for themselves before or lived away from home?  I'm expecting to work for my trip to Anfield! :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 02, 2007, 11:02:41 AM
I thought Chelsea and Liverpool flipped roles this week........last week Liverpool looked lost once Chelsea scored, same could be said for Chelsea yesterday.  Although Drogba got a couple really good scares in there late that almost stole it.   Speaking of Drogba, I could probably like him more if he wouldn't complain and whine so much.........3 straight weeks i've seen an opposing player make the dive gesture to the ref, even a sweet one of Agger wiping mock tears away last week.  Wonderfully gifted player and  many times has been the best player on the field, hands down, wish he'd just play the game though.

Mourihno's act has worn thin, even on me who's not exposed the the British media daily.  I was not sad to see Chelsea lose.  In fact I think back to 3 years ago when it was rumored (or more than one) that Gerrard was on his way to Chelsea, because he wanted to win in Europe...............fast forward to this year and Gerrard will be leading Liverpool to a 2nd appearance in the final, potentially a 2nd Champions League title and have eliminated Chelsea 3 straight years.  Pretty ironic.

I, like many, see big changes at Chelsea this summer.  Somethings not working like it should there.



Hoosier Titan----one of the things I wrote down a couple years ago that I wanted to do was see a game at Anfield.  So you have my envy. ;D


Hopefully this afternoon's contest is just as entertaining and tense.  Really its a can't lose final matchup.............a rematch of Liverpool/AC Milan from 2 years ago, or Liverpool/ManU.   Whats not to like about either matchup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 02, 2007, 11:11:31 AM

I think Gerard's threat to leave for Chelsea is what prompted Liverpool to invest more consciously in the European futures of their club.  They certainly would not have gotten Kyut or have paid up for Crouch if they weren't afraid of Gerrard leaving.  They also resigned Hyypia a few years back when they weren't planning to.  I think ultimately they'd agree that those moves have paid off quite nicely.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 02, 2007, 07:08:02 PM
Wow did ManU lay a big egg today.  Could have been 4-0 in 12 minutes, they were actually a little lucky it wasn't worse.

AC/Liverpool should be a good match, I'm sure they'll spend 3 weeks talking about 2 years ago.  I'm not sure who's the favorite.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on May 02, 2007, 08:55:40 PM
Im so disappointed in today's game. I'm not a Man U fan, but I don't think anyone can explain that mess today.  Was it the downpour? Anyone? Sir Alex?   That was an embarassment.    Kaka is incredible.  After (yes, I hate to say it), C. Ronaldo Kaka is the best player in the world right now.   

As long as they have Gerrard, I'm taking Liverpool. 

As always, Hala Madrid!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 02, 2007, 11:32:47 PM
Just watched the tivo'd game.  It was disappointing, all right.  The first goal, by Kaka--well, that was great.  You can't fault anyone on that.  But the second--the defense!  I think the makeshift defense must have had a lot to do with Man U's collapse. 

AC looked very good in difficult conditions--short, crisp passes that were easier to control.  The final should be a cracker!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 03, 2007, 10:20:01 AM
I was also very disappointed in ManU's performance last night.  I have to think that fatigue is just catching up to the Reds at this point.  Not to mention the makeshift defense that Sir Alex has to run out on the pitch.  And then there was the less than ideal weather in the 1st half.  The conditions were attrocious in the 1st half and Milan were the side that coped with them best.  With the exception of about a 10-15 minute stretch in the 2nd half, ManU was just simply outplayed. 

I'm going to look forward to seeing how Liverpool does vs. AC.  What I'm not going to look forward to is hearing about how motivated AC will be having blown a 3 goal lead the last time these two clubs  hooked up in the CL Finals.  As if Liverpool won't have any motivations of their own?!   One final thought:  I hope the refereeing is better for Liverpool than it was for ManU?! ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2007, 11:14:42 AM

I didn't get to follow the match as I was in the dentist chair for two hours yesterday afternoon.  However, the result wasn't a total surprise to me.

I figured that ManU would get one goal, two if everything went their way.  The rain was actually supposed to help United, so I don't think that can be attributed.  Obviously they ran out Vidic, who wasn't quite ready to play, coupled with the weakened defense and the fact that AC had a week to watch film and figure out a plan of attack, the result wasn't all that surprising.

The key to the final, as it was the last time Liverpool made the run, will be the play of Jamie Carragher.  He didn't get much mention in the Chelsea ties, but he is a lockdown defender, which is absolutely essential in European play where the opponents always have a star striker.  In fact, Liverpool may be the only club that has done well in Europe recently without a top ten goal-scoring talent.  That comes because Carragher is so good at controlling the play in the back.  The Liverpool defense doesn't get enough credit, but they're dominance releases the offense to take chances and stay rested by not requiring them to run back so far.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 03, 2007, 11:51:40 AM
Bingo, Hoops!

We were just talking about the Liverpool defense at the breakfast table this morning.  Carragher is the key, but Finnan, Riise (when needed), and the relatively new Agger and Arbeloa make up one of the strongest backfields.  It does soften the impact of a short list of top-flight strikers on the side.  (Although I am far more impressed with Peter Crouch than I ever dreamed I would be at first, and Dirk Kuyt's work ethic is outstanding all over the pitch).  Also, Riise, Agger, and Arbeloa are regular scoring threats, and Carragher even scored a goal this season off a corner kick.  And, although Sami Hyypia's career is winding down, he was a mainstay for years, can still give some good minutes, and scored the only goal against Portsmouth last weekend.

The last time I checked the Liverpool site (liverpoolfc.tv), Carragher was either leading the voting for player of the year or second to Stevie G.  I can't find it on the site right now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2007, 01:09:00 PM

I'm not insulting the abilities of the Liverpool Strike Force (puns welcome), but I think even Peter Crouch would admit he's not one of the ten or fifteen best goal scorers in the world.  As a whole, the front line is solid and the lack of a big name (and usually big ego) provides a chemistry boost that is essential.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 05, 2007, 09:09:40 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 03, 2007, 01:09:00 PM

I'm not insulting the abilities of the Liverpool Strike Force (puns welcome), but I think even Peter Crouch would admit he's not one of the ten or fifteen best goal scorers in the world.  As a whole, the front line is solid and the lack of a big name (and usually big ego) provides a chemistry boost that is essential.

I needed a little time to respond to this.  I know what you're saying, but I doubt if Peter Crouch would admit that--nor should he.  Found this quote from Bill Shankly on the LFC website:  "A lot of football success is in the mind. You must believe that you are the best and then make sure that you are."  Like a three-point shooter or an opera singer, a striker who doesn't believe he or she can excel is likely to fail.

In terms of numbers, Crouch has a total of 18 goals this year, 9 of them in the EPL.  He leads LFC, while Kuyt has 13 and Gerrard 11.  In the Premiership, there are 20 players with more goals than Crouch, and a lot of them would mostly likely bring, ahem, chemistry issues--people like Didier Drogba, who's leading the league in scoring with 19 EPL goals.  Also, Crouch did not start for a long stretch in the season, as Benitez tried different lineups.

In terms of a big name striker, my saddest day following Liverpool came when Michael Owen decided to test the waters at Real Madrid.  Even though he did well, he wan't playing regularly, and he wanted to return to Liverpool.  Of course, if he had, they would have lost him for this year, rather than Newcastle, following the ACL injury in the World Cup.  I am cheering for him to make a full recovery, and I, personally, hope it works out for him to return to Anfield or its successor.

At any rate, the war chest promised by the new owners should make it possible to bring in more top flight talent--but I think Peter Crouch has proven himself, ungainly as he sometimes appears.  And it does seem that most of the side have a good, unselfish attitude. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 07, 2007, 03:29:58 PM

Again, I wasn't disparaging these guys.  I think they work and (as I also mentioned) bring chemistry to a team that thrives on it.  I just don't think they're as scary to anyone as some of the bigger names out there.  It doesn't mean they are any less useful or important to Liverpool, it just means they have to play differently than other teams.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 08, 2007, 12:24:45 AM
Does anyone think Liverpool will make a move for Berbatov from Tottenham or is that beyond them?

He seems a shoe-in for Man United this summer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 08, 2007, 12:52:59 AM
Quote from: sac on May 08, 2007, 12:24:45 AM
Does anyone think Liverpool will make a move for Berbatov from Tottenham or is that beyond them?

He seems a shoe-in for Man United this summer.

I think they have a lot more resources now with the new owners.  Haven't heard anything about Berbatov, though.  He and Robbie Keane seem to be doing really well together--I doubt Jol would want to let either one go. 

I am leaving for London in the morning--will post any good gossip.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 08, 2007, 11:57:31 AM

Berbatov will go to ManU.  The 'Spurs just don't have the money to outbid ManU.  THe only possible way he'll stay is if he actually doesn't want more money and I've yet to see a player admit to or follow through on that one, especially one playing in a country that's not his own.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 08, 2007, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 08, 2007, 11:57:31 AM

Berbatov will go to ManU.  The 'Spurs just don't have the money to outbid ManU.  THe only possible way he'll stay is if he actually doesn't want more money and I've yet to see a player admit to or follow through on that one, especially one playing in a country that's not his own.
Not only will he be getting more money, he will be going to a championship contending club.  That's a lethal combination if you're a 'Spurs fan hoping for Berbatov's return.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 19, 2007, 10:01:20 AM
Anyone finding a local pub to watch the FA Cup Final today?  There's also the option of paying $29.99 to watch it on pay-per-view.  I'm going with option 3 and that is watching it Tuesday night on tape delay on the Fox Soccer Channel.  I figure it won't be too hard to not find out what happened since the media coverage of the EPL over here is pretty nonexhistent.  I'll just have to steer clear of any soccer websites for the next few days.   8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 21, 2007, 12:49:49 PM

Amazingly, someone out there is helping you.  The Soccernet scores page for Saturday is not active on the website right now.  You have to specifically go to the FA Cup page to see the results.  Quite a tussle though; should be good on the replay.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 21, 2007, 01:07:11 PM
Props to Stuttgart for taking the German Bundesliga title and to Seville for taking the UEFA Cup final in a real classic match!! :) ;) :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 21, 2007, 07:54:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 21, 2007, 12:49:49 PM

Amazingly, someone out there is helping you.  The Soccernet scores page for Saturday is not active on the website right now.  You have to specifically go to the FA Cup page to see the results.  Quite a tussle though; should be good on the replay.

bbc.co.uk

also not bad.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 23, 2007, 08:57:12 AM
Well, the match, at least the 2nd half of the match, was worth the wait, although not the result I was looking for.  I was recording the match on my DVR and usually my DVR asks me on sporting events if I want to record past the alloted time blocked out for whatever event I'm recording.  Well, it didn't ask me last night, and besides, I figured since it was a tape delayed broadcast, Fox Soccer Channel would have blocked out the correct time of the broadcast.  NOPE!  My recording cut off just as the 1st OT was coming to a close!  Luckily it was on again straight away, but I had to stay up until almost 2 am to catch the final unfortunate outcome! :(

It's bad enough to lose the Cup to Chelsea, but to have Drogba score the game winner made it hurt even more!

Well, that draws another exciting EPL season to a close.  The off-season will be busy and entertaining as usual.  Which players and coaches will be on the move?  Will ManU make themselves even better?  What will Chelsea look like next season?  Should be quite fun to see how the off-season plays out this summer!

Now, I'll be turning my attention almost squarely on baseball as my Indians are actually looking like a contender this season and the Cubbies are hanging around just enough to make me keep the hope alive. 

Of course there is one more match of interest I will be watching tonight! ;D 

Hopefully the Reds can win another Champions League Cup over Milan.  I happened to catch the replay of that 2005 epic final betwween these 2 sides yesterday.  If today's match is only half as good as that one, we will still be in for quite a treat!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2007, 09:49:06 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 23, 2007, 08:57:12 AM


Hopefully the Reds can win another Champions League Cup over Milan.  I happened to catch the replay of that 2005 epic final betwween these 2 sides yesterday.  If today's match is only half as good as that one, we will still be in for quite a treat!

Rafa Benitez does not expect this match to be as high scoring as that one (of course, that one had to be for the Reds to prevail!).  He says that he'd take that one but "I'd probably need a doctor."

The Liverpool F.C. club T-shirts my husband ordered in early may for my Mother's Day present finally arrived yesterday, just in time! :)

Speculation on the BBC is that Rafa's lineup will have only Kuyt up front, with a five-man midfield and Stevie G given free license to move forward.  Should that not produce goals, though, I doubt it will be long before we'll see Peter Crouch.  We'll soon know....
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2007, 03:01:45 PM

We're under way.  Inzaghi is starting up front for Milan.  In my opinion he's one of the most underrated strikers out there; Carragher is going to have to come up big.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2007, 04:35:01 PM

Wow, I was totally hoping to be wrong.  Inzaghi just scored his second of the night and AC deserved neither.  Both teams are playing like crap, but Liverpool's doesn't smell as bad.  They shouldn't be down 2-0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2007, 04:45:10 PM

I can't believe Gerard couldn't get a ball in the net.  He was playing so well and they set up the line-up for him to have more freedom to move forward.  Liverpool definitely let one get away here.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2007, 04:58:03 PM
Wow...the high points for Liverpool are few and far between.  Jermaine Pennant had a breakout game, and the defense on Kaka was outstanding.  He was a non-factor. 

Milan were fortunate not to be scored on in the first half--Liverpool controlled the ball and the game most of the time.  I wish Liverpool hadn't tried that offside trap so late in the game--they left Reina hanging.  He wasn't really to blame for either goal.

I wonder what the holdup was on getting subs in--according to the announcers, Arbeloa had been waiting to go in for five minutes before he was allowed in.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on May 23, 2007, 06:58:07 PM
wow, i can't wait until the M.N.T (team u.s.a) plays china in 10 days. I hope that coach bradley and co. have been getting the guys ready in order to show case better results this time around.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on May 24, 2007, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2007, 04:58:03 PM
Wow...the high points for Liverpool are few and far between.  Jermaine Pennant had a breakout game, and the defense on Kaka was outstanding.  He was a non-factor. 

The foul on Kaka outside the box led to the first goal.  The pass from Kaka to Inzaghi led to the second goal.  He was a definite factor.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 24, 2007, 03:37:40 PM
Quote from: Gotberg on May 24, 2007, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2007, 04:58:03 PM
Wow...the high points for Liverpool are few and far between.  Jermaine Pennant had a breakout game, and the defense on Kaka was outstanding.  He was a non-factor. 

The foul on Kaka outside the box led to the first goal.  The pass from Kaka to Inzaghi led to the second goal.  He was a definite factor.

Ouch.  Sure, he helped set that up.  My point was that the Liverpool defense did not let him go on those long solo runs the way he did against Man U.   Look at my first sentence again--I was trying, as a Liverpool supporter, to see some bright spots.  That goal was indeed the difference, so in that regard, Kaka was a factor.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on May 24, 2007, 05:37:25 PM
hand-ball?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 27, 2007, 11:46:37 PM
Quote from: Stinger on May 24, 2007, 05:37:25 PM
hand-ball?

That was my initial thought the first time I saw it.  Not sure after seeing countless replays.



Interesting that if the Italian federation had kept their original points docking penalties on AC Milan last season, Milan wouldn't have been in the competition this season.  Seems like all those teams basically ended up with a slap on the wrist, compared to what they originally were given.

Nice to see 3 English teams in the Semi's but AC were clearly the best of the four.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on May 31, 2007, 09:25:36 AM
How about Becks? The guy is on a hot streak right now and leading Real Madrid to the top of the table in La Liga.   He's called up to play for England in tomorrow's friendly against Brazil.   His crosses are pin point.  Great time for him to be joining the MLS.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 03, 2007, 10:01:59 AM
6/02/07 Finals:

USA 4, China 1.

Germany 6, San Marino 0

Mexico 4, Iran 0. (Borgettti and Lozano scored 2 of the goals, the former on a header that ended a series of richochets between the goal mouth and the penalty area and the latter on a cross-feed that worked to perfection). One of Iran's players was ejected late in the match for a rough tackle.

France and Italy also won their matches.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 03, 2007, 11:48:19 PM
From what I saw vs Brazil, Beckham looks in great shape, and he creates things England can't create without him.  His first free kick looked for sure like it was going in.

The new Wembley is very impressive
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 04, 2007, 12:32:27 PM

Beckham may be getting a career second wind.  And he's now locked into the US.  I think that deal was a win-win all around.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 04, 2007, 01:28:50 PM
Congrats to team USA on their recent win v.s. china. I am sure glad that Coach B. and co. got the team ready this time around. The Germany match againt San Marino wasn't that good because Germany was expected to beat them by a lot; which they did.

As for the Mexico game, great to see that Coach Sanchez has a lot of confidence in putting older and more experienced guys on the starting roster. However, i am not to sure if this strategy will work well once heavy international play comes around.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 04, 2007, 01:30:33 PM
The question is:  is McClaren brilliant for bringing Becks back, or was he stupid to sack him in the first place?  Maybe both.

The statement I saw from Alexi Lalas sounded supportive in the short term, but a little less so if Beckham is to be back on the England side indefinitely.

England looked at least as good as in the World Cup against Brazil, and much better than they did in any other match under McClaren.

Against Estonia, I'd like to see Peter Crouch up front with Owen--Alan Smith didn't impress.  And Stephen Gerrard should be closer to the front, although he played the holding midfielder position well.

I wish there weren't so many injuries on the defensive line--Jamie Carragher is out of position at right back.  Hopefully Estonia won't have the footspeed of Ronaldinho and company. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 04, 2007, 02:04:35 PM

It will be a big deal for LA if Beckham misses any matches this summer.  The way they're jacking up prices and making all sorts of extra accommodations for his matches around the league, they need him to be there for all of them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 04, 2007, 04:09:45 PM
I'm kind of wondering if Beckham wasn't hurt more in Germany last year than he let on.  Maybe his conditioning fell off because of it, but he looks better physically than he has in more than a couple years.  Could also be he's worked very hard because he wants the move to LA to be successfull.  I think he has a pretty large stake in it all.

McClaren seemed to maybe keep Beckham off the England team to make a statement, like "I'm not above removing the captain, so you better perform."  Unfortunately it kind of backfired on him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 04, 2007, 04:23:57 PM

It worked well all around.  Beckham might be a very public figure, but he's a very private guy and the one things he wants more than anything else it to break the record for caps for the England squad.  Removing him from the team was more motivation than anyone could give to him.  He's got more money than God.  The money from LA wasn't motivation.  All of those players love the English national team more than we can ever understand.

He got off his horse, won his spot back on the Real squad and now got back with England.  I'm glad McClaren found a way to get the most gifted footballer of this generation back into a professional training regimen, whether he did it on purpose or not.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 05, 2007, 06:47:23 PM
Whatever is in his water I hope that he uses it all summer long in Carson, C.A.
As of 3 months ago, i bought a mini-summer Galaxy season plan that cost me an arm and leg just to go see the new circus coming to town. And believe me, the hype is just about to heat up even more in so.cal.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 05, 2007, 10:04:20 PM
Mexico vs. Paraquay on deck:
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 05, 2007, 10:56:03 PM
Half:  Mexico 0, Paraguay 0.  (Several World Cups back--the last time France won it all, if memory serves correctly--France eneded up playing Paraguay back when Jose Luis Chilavert was the latter squad's goalkeeper. France had as many as 7 players around the penalty area in extra time because they didn't want that match to go to penalty kicks. France's LeBlanc scored the match-winner that time.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 06, 2007, 12:11:31 AM
Final:  Paraguay 1, Mexico 0.

Some 10 minutes into the second half, one of Mexico's players' shots hit the left crossbar. Paraguay's goal came later.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 06, 2007, 10:36:53 AM
What a big win for Paraguay and a sad sloppy job by "El Tri". I expected the "Tri" to finish with a better result, yet, saw a team that needs to improve better on defense once the gold cup comes around.

If the "Tri" is expected to rebuild, the time is now. There cannot be any sloppy defense on the field as they showed against Paraguay. I just hope that once "Raffa" Marquez comes back Barcelona he'll be able to add some nice defense and strong leadership when it comes to teaching others how to defend well.

Can't wait until the start of the gold cup. It should be team U.S. and Mexico battling it out for thecup this year.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 06, 2007, 10:59:46 AM
BBC's projected lineup for England against Estonia:

Strikers:  Owen and Crouch
Midfield:  J. Cole, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham
Defense:  Nickey Shorey or Wayne Bridge, Terry, King, W. Brown or Kieron Dyer
Goal:  Robinson

I was only surprised at the back line:  given that Gary Neville is hurt, Jamie Carragher filled in competently at right back.  He's really a center back, and a better one than Ledley King.  And Wes Brown just about gave away a goal against Brazil...I don't think he's earned a start.  I hope this report is incorrect.

Is anyone getting this match televised?  We have Setanta, but they seem to be putting it on a premium channel to be shown in "selected bars," none of which is within 100 miles of here.  :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 06, 2007, 07:07:47 PM
ESPN Soccernet reports Germany beat Slovakia today--getting conflicting reports on exact final.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 06, 2007, 08:06:50 PM
England over Estonia 3-0 today.

I followed the action on the ESPN game tracker and the BBC website, as no one seemed to be televising it live. 

There was a first half goal by Joe Cole, and more in the second half by Peter Crouch and Michael Owen.  By all accounts the side looked a lot better than they had in any previous match in a long time.

Russia held Croatia to a 0-0 draw.  The standings in their group are now Croatia and Israel with 17 points each (Croatia ahead on goal differential), Russia with 15, and England with 14, followed by Macedonia, Estonia, and Andorra.  Still a ways to go, but today's was a good result for England.

The only bad news for England was Peter Crouch picking up a yellow--he will be sitting for the next match, against Israel.

The earliest broadcast of the match we could find will be Friday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 07, 2007, 10:38:29 AM
Wow, only 9 more hours (p.t.) until Team USA kicks off its Gold Cup title defense tonight against Guatemala with a squad eager to erase the memories of a dismal World Cup performance in Germany.

I can't wait to see how team U.S.A will prove all their critics wrong after starting off strong tonight. Go team U.S.A
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 07, 2007, 01:14:09 PM
So, anyone here going to the Gold Cup semis or finals in Chicago later this month? 

Becks with 2 assists last night.  Another gem.


Can't wait for Gold Cup and Copa America.  USA today's article about the US Team: 
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2007-06-06-4227659865_x.htm
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 07, 2007, 11:06:15 PM
Final just in:  USA 1, Guatemala 0. (ESPN Soccernet indicates one USA player sent off in 2nd half).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 08, 2007, 08:29:21 AM
Obviously this team is young and needs to build confidence around each other. Onyewu needs to finally learn that he's bigger than about 98% of the players he goes up against. He and Bocanegra struggled last night. I thought Beasley was solid, Donovan was average.  I think we'll see this team get better and more in sync with each other as the team moves on.

One interesting comment the announcers made was that the US is putting most of their marbles into the Gold Cup.  They mentioned that the squad for Copa America will be a much younger one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 08, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
Stinger----- Coach Bradley really likes to use young players who have tons of energy and are willing to take big steps when called upon. In the past, coach bradley has been successful using a strategy like this, however, it was during MLS play. Having a lot of youngings during international play might be a bit of a stretch, but if it is necessary i hope that those youngsters can produce more on offense and defense. This tourney should be a good experience for the team.

Can't wait to see the Mexico v.s. Cuba game tonight------ Coach Hugo Sanchez should have the team ready.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 08, 2007, 05:18:15 PM
I saw on the Fox Soccer Report that Franck Ribery has signed with Bayern Munich, presumably to repace Hasan Salihamidzic.  Though I think Hasan is a slightly better player, this is probably a good move given that Salihamidzic had a bit of a tendency to lose his cool this past season.

Alas, my team is still looking kinda long in the tooth.  I'm beginning to wonder if 2008 may not bring a return to the Champions League.   :-\

I love the new "hoops" jersey's, though.  I'm gonna have to run out and get one soon.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 08, 2007, 09:23:55 PM
Cuba/Mexico just underway as I post:
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 08, 2007, 10:04:48 PM
Halftime:  Cuba 1, Mexico 1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 08, 2007, 11:12:23 PM
Mexico 2, Cuba 1, going into stoppage time in 2nd half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 09, 2007, 07:13:15 PM
Final just in:  USA 2, Trinidad & Tobago 0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 09, 2007, 08:53:45 PM
Congrats to team USA on a good match today. Coach Bradley really had the club ready.
On the other hand, "EL tri" is getting a little suspect on having teams score the first goal against them. It appears that coach sanchez and co. are spending a little to much time studying the opponent during the game and just not playing their true style and game. Hopefully, this will encourage EL Tri to do well. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 11, 2007, 10:39:13 AM
Wow, just one more day until team US hits the field again. Can't wait to see how the team comes out and gets ready to prove all critics wrong in yet another good match.

Moreover, it looks like "el tri" is having a huge melt down during this tourney. Like i had mentioned before,The team is just spending to much time studying their opponent and not play organized futbol.

Congrats to cuba for hanging in the tourney and not giving up to early like many were predicting.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 11, 2007, 12:04:54 PM
What's up with Guadeloupe?  They've got 4 points and already a victory over Canada.  That group's not too hard; they might be able to make it out.  how many Americans even know Guadeloupe is a country?

Well, I guess it's technically not a country.  In fact it's less of a country than Puerto Rico is, but still, it's pretty cool.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 11, 2007, 12:23:48 PM
The BBC is reporting that Real Madrid have tried to buy out David Beckham's contract with the LA Galaxy, and that the offer has been rejected.  Coach Fabio Capello is quoted as saying that he and other Real executives made "errors in judgement" regarding Beckham.

His performances against Brazil and Estonia were pretty convincing.  Maybe having been left off the national team for a few games has spurred him on.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 11, 2007, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 04, 2007, 04:23:57 PM
Beckham might be a very public figure, but he's a very private guy and the one things he wants more than anything else it to break the record for caps for the England squad.  Removing him from the team was more motivation than anyone could give to him.  He's got more money than God.  The money from LA wasn't motivation.  All of those players love the English national team more than we can ever understand.

By the way, the offer from Real wasn't turned down, there simply isn't a buy-out clause in Beckham's contract.  Besides, there's no way even Real could offer the same kind of investment in the future of the league that Beckham is getting in LA.  The more he does to promote MLS, the more he makes.  Honestly, it's a tactic I'm surprised other sports and teams haven't tried with their star players.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 11, 2007, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 11, 2007, 12:29:37 PM
By the way, the offer from Real wasn't turned down, there simply isn't a buy-out clause in Beckham's contract.  Besides, there's no way even Real could offer the same kind of investment in the future of the league that Beckham is getting in LA.  The more he does to promote MLS, the more he makes.  Honestly, it's a tactic I'm surprised other sports and teams haven't tried with their star players.

Here's what was on the BBC site:

"Real Madrid have had a bid to buy David Beckham out of his LA Galaxy contract rejected by the MLS club.  Real approached the 32-year-old's advisors and LA Galaxy with their offer but were told "politely but firmly" that Beckham would not change his mind.

The Spanish giants were told Beckham's contract did not have a get-out clause, which they believe existed."

Isn't Beckham the biggest star (by far) to come to the MLS?  I'm not sure anyone else would have had the drawing power to allow for such high incentives until now. 

I wonder if he might have second thoughts about coming, now that his England and European careers are rejuvenated.  LA were probably smart not to allow a get-out clause.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 11, 2007, 02:40:39 PM
That news over the weekend was so funny around here in L.A. What was even more funny was that the "AEG" promoting company who made the beckham deal possible, sat back in their chairs and laughed about how much other team are considering having becks back. Eventhough, AEG was taking a risk, they knew that all they need from becks was to promote the heck ourt of MLS (just like hoops fan points out). In the end, the giants who run the famed Staples center (AEG) have now struck it rich.

Btw......you guys should come check out the posters and billboards that surround Staples center, the freeways and downtown L.A. with becks ugly mug......hahah 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 11, 2007, 10:21:56 PM
The Galaxy are in dire need of Becks--they looked terrible against FC Dallas on Saturday night.  Real nasty foul by Tyrone Marshall on Kenny Cooper got him a straight red card, to boot.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2007, 09:26:33 AM

To bring my Guadeloupe fascination back up again, if the US beats El Salvador today, Guadeloupe secures a place in the quarters (although probably against the US, but still).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 12, 2007, 09:44:54 AM
Per Wilkpedia, this year's the first time Guadaloupe's even qualified for the Gold Cup.  Side note--France star player T Henry hails from that territory.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 12, 2007, 10:43:09 AM
Hahaha,

hey, hoops,I just realized last night from a local t.v. station that Guadeloupe is not a country in Latin America, but a small part of (or within Costa Rica.) Whatever they may be, they sure are a suprise in this tourney.

Speaking of the Galaxy---- the reason why they are struggling is because of the the tourney. Several of the players are on team usa. In the mean time, we still got a lot of games in the MLS ahead of us, so no need to rush becks over. Btw, his wife sure is making her presense known around L.A., she could be seen thrown out the first pitch at Dodger stadium last night. I am sure Becks will be doing the same sometime soon.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2007, 10:58:00 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on June 12, 2007, 10:43:09 AM
hey, hoops,I just realized last night from a local t.v. station that Guadeloupe is not a country in Latin America, but a small part of (or within Costa Rica.) Whatever they may be, they sure are a suprise in this tourney.

I think they messed up there.  Guadeloupe is a series of Islands in the Caribbean, I think in the lesser Antilles.  They are an official department of France (which is why Henry can play for the French national team).  They are a part of the European Union and use the eruo as currency.  They're participation in the Gold Cup is equivalent to say Hawaii fielding a separate team. 

I wonder if Henry will play for them when his first team days are over in France?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 12, 2007, 11:06:40 AM
Thanks for clearing that up. Makes much more sense.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 12, 2007, 06:39:22 PM
Can't wait until until team U.S.A scores yet another victory tonight against El Salvador. I am so siked and ready to hear all the nonsense that my Salvadoranian neighbors and local resturants will start to talk about. Be ready to see a lot of the young players scores early in tonights match in good ole' boston.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 12, 2007, 06:58:17 PM
El Salvador vs. USA on deck:
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 12, 2007, 07:59:48 PM
Halftime:  USA 2, El Salvador 0.  :) :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 12, 2007, 09:04:01 PM
Final:  USA 4, El Salvador 0.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 12, 2007, 09:17:45 PM
Trin & Tob vs. Guatemala just underway as I post:
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 12, 2007, 10:02:12 PM
Trin & Tob 0, Guatemala 0--Half:
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 12, 2007, 10:05:26 PM
IMHO, Panama vs. Mexico should be a good one. It'll be interesting to see (with Mexico's Blanco out for this match) how well Panama defends Borguetti and Mexico's other main offensive threats.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 12, 2007, 11:12:28 PM
Final:  Trin & Tob 1, Guatemala 1. (Both goals scored in the last 8 minutes of the match, per ESPN Soccernet )

Unless I'm missing something, that result puts Guatemala in second place in the group.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 13, 2007, 09:57:08 AM

I'm not sure what the uproar was over Donovan's penalty?  The past few years its been standard practice to award a PK for any handball in the box, intentional or not.  Intentional ones get the added bonus of a Red Card.  Either way, it's good to see the US squad light it up a bit.  They'll need that aggressiveness if they're going to compete in the Copa.

Up to #16 in the world, by the way, in the latest FIFA rankings.  That's a 13 place jump over last month.


Right now in the Gold Cup:

Through to the quarters: USA, Canada, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Guadeloupe, and Panama.

Mexico and Honduras both have a good shot to get in.  A draw today for either side will get them in.  Even with a loss, they are both well ahead of El Salvador in the tiebreakers.  They'd have to lose by upwards of four goals to be kept out of the quarters.

I'm not sure if there is a draw for the quarters of if they do it on points earned.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 13, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
Congrats to team USA. What an awesome plan that team USA came out yesterday. As expected coach bradley and co. did well this time around in having the offense produce much more goals and its defense staying sound and tough. Glad to see that more rookies were used as well.

Speaking of Mexico having a shot----I am sure they will be in. However, who do you really put in for blanco??????? Borguetti usually tends to run out of gas this late into tourneys. Or better yet which goalee do you use, Sanchez or Ochoa?????? In the end, as hoops pointed out, it should be a good game
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 14, 2007, 06:54:05 AM
CONCACAF Gold Cup Quarterfinals:

Canada vs. Guatemala

USA vs. Panama

Honduras vs. Guadelope

Mexico vs. Costa Rica

IMHO, at least on paper, USA and Honduras would figure to have easier match-ups. Panama lost 2 players to red cards last night. Honduras looked like a high powered juggernaut. The other 2 matches are too close to call.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 14, 2007, 10:46:45 AM
The only team that i honestly would consider having the easier match up in the quater finals would only be team USA. The reason why i believe that this game would be in favor of team USA is because 1) the red, white and blue has a good and solid game plan in both their offense and defense, 2) their Vets and rookies are gelling much quicker than any other national team in this tourney and 3) as WLCALUM has mentioned, 2 of Panamas top players have been lost due to red cards. Of course team USA is going to win.

Btw, thus far "EL Tri" is disappointing a lot of it fans thus far through out the tourney. It's taking to long for them to score and their offense doesn't seem to click as fast as they other teams are showing us. I would have thought that this game would have been its coming out party since both team played each other at the Rosebowl last year and El tri winning the game in a huge convincing manner. However, coach sanchez has a lot of work ahead of him.   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2007, 11:03:06 AM

Guadeloupe is a weak squad.  They got lucky with one match in a weak pool and Honduras is a very talented team.  The US and Honduras should win easily.

I'd think Guatemala and Mexico would come out on top in the other matches, but all four of those teams are playing about level right now, so you never know.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 17, 2007, 05:16:47 PM
Job well done for team USA in their recent win. Glad to see that Coach bradley and Co.  are on a hot streak and are ready to take the gold cup yet again.

Btw, the costa rica v.s mexico game should be a big test for el tri--- given that every mexico soccer fan is a bit feed up with coach sanchez game plan. However, in my opinion, mexico wins this game in yet another close and scarry game 

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 18, 2007, 12:20:26 PM

Guadeloupe again!  They took down a strong Honduras squad.  Amazing results thus far.  Should Mexico start getting scared?  They only got by Costa Rica with the help of two Red Cards. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 19, 2007, 10:38:19 AM
Guadeloupe against mexico will turn out to be the only time Mexico will have a true big win. This time around El Tri should have all their top players---Rafa Marquez, Borguettii, O.Bravo, P. pavel and others ready. There will be no need for them to win by just one goal nor by the other teams getting red cards. This time, after getting scored on first, EL Tri will find some way to come out with a 3-1 win.

On the other hand, you have team U.S.A v.s. America junior (Canada). This game will be a good game between both clubs and will show case all of the young talent each team has. However, expect to see team U.S.A eager to defend their gold cup and not giving up against America J.r.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 20, 2007, 10:43:24 AM
Wow, one more day and team USA hit the field again to face a surprising Canadian team. I wonder how many of our friends up north will be making it down south to see this game???

Any thoughts, predictions, or opinions from you guys on the upcoming games????
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 20, 2007, 03:23:18 PM
Mexico over Guadeloupe (wouldn't be surprised if this one goes to penalty kicks--Bourgetti had a frustrating shooting day the last match).

USA over Canada. (Nothing like home cooking).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 22, 2007, 08:37:44 AM

I think I speak for all of us when I say, what the hell was Frankie Hedjuk doing on the field?  Isn't he like 47 years old?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 22, 2007, 12:33:52 PM
Congratulations to both team USA and Mexico for their wins last night. I am glad that America J.r. didn't leave without putting up a fight.
Moreover, i was more glad and surprised that mexico actually attacked on offense and had a better game than before. It sure was good to see fresh energy from Salcido, Medina, Blanco and even Berguitti during the game. Yet, in the end, i am ultimately glad that the gold cup final will pit archrivals team USA and Mexico.

I am so siked and ready for this game. And believe me, in the Browneagle household, when you have someone rooting for another team, like team usa as i will root for, you get an angry mob of uncles, aunts, cousins, friends and parents who will swear they will not feed you with good mexican food and beer if "El Tri" loses to Team USA.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 25, 2007, 12:29:34 PM
What a great job by both team USA and "el tri" in the final game of the gold cup. For a second, i really thought Mexico would have kept attacking the US on offense after they scored their first goal, but soon after, some of "El tri's players" got lost in translation in understanding what was needed from them. However, i was glad to see that this young U.S. national team overcame such an early goal and decided to give it their all in the last part of the game. It was truely great to see how well guys like donovon, beasly, dempsey, bocanegra, mastironi(sp?) and and tim howard all gelled together with the rookies to do well in this tourney.

Up next, the Copa America. I can't wait for this thursdays match up against Argentina. It sure will tell us how far team USA, under coach bradley and co, can they really go in this huge tourney.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 25, 2007, 06:03:54 PM
Not one post about Thierry Henry going to Barcelona?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 26, 2007, 08:38:22 AM

Arsenal is becoming irrelevant, no one really cares.  Barca is just trying to buy their way to titles like Real did.  It's funny how teams will copy formulas that never really worked.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 27, 2007, 07:56:55 AM
For those of you interested in La Liga, I highly recommend Phill Ball's column on ESPN's Soccernet.com.  Henry to Barca is an interesting addition. I personally don't like Barca (Real fan here), nor Henry, so bring em on.  It seems to me that Eto'o is on his way out.  He's the "cancer in the locker room" for Barca.   Ball seems to think Ronny could be on his way out as well.

It was great watching Real celebrate at the Cibeles foutain on La Castellana in Madrid.  I was there for the '95 celebration.  Good times, good times.

Great finish for the US squad in Chicago. Feilhaber's goal was the best I've seen in a long time from a US game.  On to Venezuela and a tough match tomorrow v. Argentina.  I have zero expectations going in, just going to enjoy watching some good soccer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 27, 2007, 10:20:15 AM

What's up with Peru kicking the crap out of Uruguay in the Copa?  That wasn't expected.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 27, 2007, 01:57:25 PM
Quote from: Stinger on June 27, 2007, 07:56:55 AM
  It seems to me that Eto'o is on his way out.  He's the "cancer in the locker room" for Barca.   

He was rumored to be heading to Liverpool earlier this spring, but that seems to have cooled off.

Henry was the only reason to watch Arsenal, seems they told a little fib when saying the debt accumulated from the building of Emirates Stadium wouldn't affect player personel.  Within 2 summers Viera out, Henry out among others.  They'll struggle to make top 4 this year for sure, even more so than last year.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2007, 12:09:03 AM
Obituaries for El Tri may be a bit premature:

Mexico  2
Brazil   0

What a coup for the northern guests if USA can upset Argentina tomorrow(?)!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 28, 2007, 01:19:25 AM
South American day of mourning.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 28, 2007, 08:51:05 AM

I watched the second half of the match on Univision last night.  It appears Mexico dogged it through the Gold Cup so they could unleash some superb football for the Copa.

Granted Brazil has like their B- team out on the field right now (neither Ronaldinho nor Kaka were even on the substitute list), but Mexico played like they knew what they were doing.  They didn't even have to bring on Blanco or Bourghetti.

I'm not sure if I'll get to check out the US match tonight, but all of the univision announcers were calling it "el groupo de la muerte," so it should at least be interesting.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 28, 2007, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 28, 2007, 08:51:05 AM

They didn't even have to bring on Blanco or Bourghetti.

I'm not sure if I'll get to check out the US match tonight, but all of the univision announcers were calling it "el groupo de la muerte," so it should at least be interesting.
Bourgetti didn't make the Mexican roster because of the injury he sustained in the Gold Cup Finals. 

Here's a link to the story:  Borgetti sidelined from Copa America  (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/6968092)

As for the US match tonight, I'm not expecting too much.  Argentina has brought arguably their best and that makes them the team to beat considering Brazil didn't bring their best or even their 2nd best for that matter.

The US didn't bring close to their best squad either as missing from the roster are Beasley, Bocanegra, Donovan and Dempsey among the most notables.  On the 22 man roster that Bradley is bringing, 16 players have 10 or fewer caps for the National Team and 14 are 25 years or yonger.  Nothing like being thrown straight into the fire against the 5th ranked team in the world and the Argentines are sporting a strong roster to boot!

With Columbia and Paraguay rounding out USA's group, I think the Americans will be lucky to win a game, let alone get into the knockout phase of the tournament.  One thing for sure, these young players will definately get some valuable experience out of this competition.  Who knows, maybe some of these youngsters will step up and make a name for themselves and open some eyes.  I'm sure that they are going to be trying to make the most of this opportunity.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 28, 2007, 12:12:50 PM

Bourghetti was on the official substitute list.  I was just impressed with how well Mexico was playing.  They had a spring in their step and some competitive fire that last week's squad was sorely lacking.

Brazil just looked like they didn't care.  They had a few amazing runs and some beautiful counter attacks, but down two with twenty minutes to go, they didn't even look worried.  At the 60 minute mark I thought we were in for a fantastic finish, but it slumped.  I do have to marvel at the abilities of some of these players though.  There was a right footed shot from the right side of the goal late in the game by Brazil that almost went in.  It was nearly parallel to the goal when it left they guy's foot.  I've never seen an American take a shot like that.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 28, 2007, 01:52:05 PM
Congrats to "El tri" for their surprise and Big win. Even though, Brazil had their B- team on the field last night, it was a big win for el tri because, as hoops mentioned, old bourghetti was sideline with an injury, salcido was too worn out after playing in europe and blanco is just getting old and fat. That sure was enough to be afraid at the start of the game. Overall, el tri had a better game and plan this time around ans definately made a lot of their fans happy.

I'm excited about team USA taking on a giant like Argentina tonight. It should be a fun and good game. Expect to see more vets and a small group of rookies playing the first half. Btw, look for Maxi Rodriguez on the Argentina team to be more explosive on offense during this tourney.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 28, 2007, 11:39:09 PM
Wow, what a job Argentina did on team USA. I was disappointed about team USA's defense this time around and wished that it would have done better. However, i am sure they will rebound from this game, learn from it and move on to win more games. No need to get that anrgy or fustrated just yet. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 29, 2007, 01:26:39 AM
Plus its half the team they had for the Gold Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 29, 2007, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on June 28, 2007, 11:39:09 PM
I was disappointed about team USA's defense this time around and wished that it would have done better.

Without Oguchi Onyewu and Carlos Bocanegra anchoring the US defense, I think this result was to be expected.  It just goes to show how much more fit those 2 are than the US reserves at this point as the US defenders looked very tired as the match wore on.

Quote from: sac on June 29, 2007, 01:26:39 AM
Plus its half the team they had for the Gold Cup.

It wasn't even half the team as the only starters from the GC final were Jonathan Bornstein and Benny Feilhaber.

As I said yesterday, I'm not expecting much from this youthful squad Bradley is fielding.  Things aren't looking any easier as the Americans now face Paraguay.  All they did was thrash Columbia 5 nil! :o 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 30, 2007, 01:05:34 PM

I know I'm a few days late in this, but did you see those starting line-ups?  I'm not sure there's been a US international match in the past ten years where the opponent played 13 players, all of whom were better than anyone the US had on the field.  Argentina is stacked and they didn't come to mess around.  I believe this tournament might be a little anti-climactic.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 01, 2007, 06:08:39 PM
Copa America final just in:

Brazil 3, Chile 0.

Mexico vs. Ecuador up shortly:
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 01, 2007, 08:19:38 PM
Another final:

Mexico 2, Ecuador 1.  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 03, 2007, 10:20:41 AM

The depleted US squad played well against Paraguay.  We still don't have any strikers that anyone needs to be afraid of, but we're coming along.  Getting all these guys so much experience in a big time tournament can only help the squad in the future.  2010 is looking brighter if we can only get a couple of guys who really know how to put the ball in the net (cough, cough...Beasley).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on July 03, 2007, 09:32:28 PM
I hope team USA bounces back from their depleted stage thus far in copa America because the group of death (i.e Argentina et al. is sure trying to make a mock of our team). Any ways, all this experience is sure going to help coach bradley and co. prepare the team for the upcoming 2010 world cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on July 04, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
While the JV squad is taking a beating in Venezuela, how about the Frosh up in Canada?  The U-20 team absolutely destroyed Poland last night, 6-1.  Freddy Adu had a hat trick.  This was a Poland team that beat the Brazilians 1-0 the other night.     

USA finishes up group play on Friday vs Brazil. ESPNU is televising the games.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 05, 2007, 06:47:33 AM
7/4 Copa America action:

Mexico and Chile play to a 0-0 tie:

Brazil wins the other match, 1-0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 06, 2007, 08:28:42 AM

Another 1-0 loss last night, but hey the US did really well in light of the fact they sent no one of consequence to this tournament.  Good experience for the players.

The U-20 squad gets Brazil today.  I'd love to be able to see that one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 06, 2007, 08:31:18 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 06, 2007, 08:28:42 AM
I'd love to be able to see that one.

Looks like I might get a shot.  It's on the mothership tonight; I guess even the boys in Bristol know this one could be good.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 06, 2007, 11:34:01 PM

Man.  That was a treat.  I can't remember the last time I watched a world class match where the US was clearly the better squad.  Our under-20 team is noticeably better than Brazil.  It was like watching the Senior team, but in reverse, where the favorite is playing so well that they lose focus a little bit and let the US come back, but this time we were the favorite.


Hopefully we can continue the development of these players, but the US is stacked.  The keeper was very solid, the defense was strong and confident, the midfielders commanded space and the strikers were bending balls and making runs like they know what they're doing!!

That Rogers kid was really impressive.  He bent a shot in around a wall early in the game that was more skillful than anything I've seen from the big boys.  Jozzy Altidore is a beast and Freddy Adu is only occasionally making ridiculous solo runs when there is a smart pass available.  He might actually beat that ego after all.

Lionel Messi's playing in the Copa, so we might even be the best team at this tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 07, 2007, 03:07:21 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 06, 2007, 11:34:01 PM

Man.  That was a treat.  I can't remember the last time I watched a world class match where the US was clearly the better squad.  Our under-20 team is noticeably better than Brazil.

I totally agree.  It was nice to watch this team play tonight against Brazil.  I  was interested to see how this US squad would respond after their thrashing of Poland against one of the favorites to win it all in Brazil and not only did the Americans beat the Brazilians, they may have just knocked them out of the tournament completely!

Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 06, 2007, 11:34:01 PM
...and Freddy Adu is only occasionally making ridiculous solo runs when there is a smart pass available.  He might actually beat that ego after all.

As for Adu, that move he made in the corner to set up Altidore's 2nd goal was a thing of beauty.  Altidore looks like he could be a special player for the US to look forward to have playing for them as well.

We have to remember though, the Americans began this tournament with a disappointing draw with Korea before they exploded for 6 goals against Poland and their win over Brazil tonight.  Hopefully, these kids don't get too full of themselves and keep playing to the level that brought them to winning their group.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 07, 2007, 10:16:14 AM

ScotsFan, did you catch the beginning.  He wasn't as involved in the second half (it seemed like there was a lot of fatigue for the US players), but what did you think of Rogers.  He totally kept the pressure on until Freddy could get some focus.


By the way, I was pretty impressed with some of the individual skill of the young Brazilians.  I wonder if they can keep this crop from having their creativity stymied by a European career?  The kid with the armband last night was unbelievable; he should be ready to take over central midfield when Ronaldinho is done.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on July 07, 2007, 11:00:46 AM
I only saw the second half, and what a fun match to watch. I was very impressed with the US midfield play and how much better they were than the Brazilians at working the ball around and building the attack. Adu and Altidore just seem to know exactly where the other is going to be. I was a bit concerned though at what seemed like a lack of speed by the US defense. The Brazilians went to the long through ball (not typical Brazilian soccer) to run onto and easily got behind the defense on a number of occasions
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 07, 2007, 04:33:41 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 07, 2007, 10:16:14 AM

ScotsFan, did you catch the beginning.  He wasn't as involved in the second half (it seemed like there was a lot of fatigue for the US players), but what did you think of Rogers.  He totally kept the pressure on until Freddy could get some focus.

Yeah, I missed about the first four minutes or so of the match.  I totally agree in that many of the US players looked like they were wearing down late in the match.  And I too was impressed with Rogers.  He just seem to make run after run up the wing and he had some pretty sweet crosses as well.

What does everybody feel about playing these matches on the field turf?  I read an article on Foxsoccer.com and it seems to be a point of contreversy between FIFA (who approves playing on the surface) and many of the teams playing in the tournament, especially South American teams like Brazil.  It does look like it would take some getting used to as the ball doesn't seem to take true bounces all the time.  Balls with spin check up a lot.  And it also seemed that a lot of players are having trouble with the ball getting caught between their foot and the turf.  Apparently FIFA is in favor trying to get more and more venues to go with the field turf.  I for one am more of a traditionalist as I feel that soccer should be played on grass.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 07, 2007, 07:42:57 PM

Field turf just keeps getting better and better, as technology improves I think it will be less and less of an issue.


cawcdad,

Brazil had to go with the long ball at the end because they had the speed advantage and they just could not get the ball through the middle at all in the first half.

The US defense might have been a step slow (I think its more Brazil being a step fast), but they were always in position, every time.  A lot of confidence in that group.

This might be the first generation of US footballers who grow up knowing they belong.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 07, 2007, 09:23:52 PM
7/07 Copa America results:

Uruguay 4, Venezuela 1

Brazil 6, Chile 1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 08, 2007, 09:58:19 PM
7/08 Copa America Finals:

Mexico 6, Paraguay 0

Argentina 4, Peru 0


Semi-Final Matchups are:

Uruguay vs. Brazil

Mexico vs. Argentina
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 12, 2007, 09:01:07 AM

Altidore goes down and the U-20's need an own goal to take Uruguay to extras.  Where's the consistency?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 13, 2007, 01:42:50 PM
Brazil beats Uruguay on penalty kicks

Argentina knocks off Mexico


IMHO those results aren't surprises.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 13, 2007, 02:42:54 PM

No, the Copa is awfully boring this time around.  Argentina brought the squad they should have had at the World Cup and everyone else sent the B team.


The U-20 Championships are the place to be this summer.  USA-Austria on Saturday for a spot in the semi-finals (against the winner of Spain-Czech Republic, also tomorrow).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 15, 2007, 05:31:41 PM

The US U-20's go out in a disappointing finish to Austria.  They just need to be more consistent.  The Czechs looked very good in eliminating Spain in penalties.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on July 15, 2007, 08:54:02 PM
I did not find the Copa boring whatsoever. Argentina was a joy to watch, and Mexico was a completely different team than what they showed in the Gold Cup.  I found it more fun to watch than the U-20's (plus, who doesn't enjoy Roy Hudson and his wacky comments).

How surprising was it that Brazil hammered Argentina like they did tonight?  Baptista's goal was incredible.   I never saw that result coming.

As for the US U-20's, they stunk it up in the 2nd half, and let 2 poor goals in. Im still trying to figure out how that first goal snuck in between Seitz and the defender on the near post.    I don't think Seitz should have been in there. It didn't seem like he had recovered enough.   But, the future is bright, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on July 20, 2007, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: Stinger on July 15, 2007, 08:54:02 PM
How surprising was it that Brazil hammered Argentina like they did tonight?  Baptista's goal was incredible.   I never saw that result coming.


Those of us that follow the Gunners were quite stunned to see the Baptista goal as well.  Never saw that quality in a year at the Emirates.

I agree that the Copa was a fabulous watch.

Looking forward to the U-20 final this weekend.  Although, as well as the Argentines are playing it could be a coronation as opposed to a contest.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 20, 2007, 10:05:51 PM

They need to thank God that there's nothing else to do in Argentina.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: SU97 on July 21, 2007, 09:56:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 07, 2007, 07:42:57 PM

Field turf just keeps getting better and better, as technology improves I think it will be less and less of an issue.


cawcdad,

Brazil had to go with the long ball at the end because they had the speed advantage and they just could not get the ball through the middle at all in the first half.

The US defense might have been a step slow (I think its more Brazil being a step fast), but they were always in position, every time.  A lot of confidence in that group.

This might be the first generation of US footballers who grow up knowing they belong.

The USMNT has found success at the youth level before: 

1989  U-20  4th place at World Youth Championship (WYC)
1993  U-20  8th place at WYC
1999  U-20  loss in second round
1999  U-17  advanced to semi's of U-17 WYC
2001  U-20  lost in second round
2003  U-20  advanced to quarterfinals
2003  U-17  advanced to quarterfinals
2005  U-20  advanced to Round of 16
2005  U-17  advanced to quarterfinals

although not exactly "Youth", the "olympic team" of U-23:

1991  U-23  Gold Medal Pan Am Games
1999  U-23  Bronze Medal Pan Am Games
2000  U-23  advanced to semi's of Sydney Olympics


Unfortunately the US has not been able to replicate the results from the youth teams at the MNT level.  I think it would be fair to argue that the current crop of national team players grew up knowing they belong (at the youth level) but it hasn't translated into simular results at the World Cup.  Although I agree the U-20 WYC was much more enjoyable to watch from a US team perspective, the Copa America was probably more important if we were looking for more respect around the globe (ie: outside CONCACAF) ...  well then that result sure didn't help us...

We still have a long way to go, and we need to keep sending top kids overseas if we are ever going to compete at the highest levels of the World Cup. 



Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 21, 2007, 11:10:52 AM

I said they know they belong because they've seen the success before.  Beasley and Donovan winning gold and silver boots on the way to some spectacular upsets in the Saudi Arabia tournament was a big step up for us, no matter what the previous finishes were.  The publicity, etc.  These guys not only expect to win, but others expect it as well.  That's unique.  Most every one of these guys expects a chance at Euro play (or has it already).  This is a new generation.  They just need to find some consistency.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: SU97 on July 21, 2007, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 21, 2007, 11:10:52 AM

I said they know they belong because they've seen the success before.  Beasley and Donovan winning gold and silver boots on the way to some spectacular upsets in the Saudi Arabia tournament was a big step up for us, no matter what the previous finishes were.  The publicity, etc.  These guys not only expect to win, but others expect it as well.  That's unique.  Most every one of these guys expects a chance at Euro play (or has it already).  This is a new generation.  They just need to find some consistency.



I apologize, I must have read it out of context.  I thought you were talking about the current crop on U-20 side (generation) due to the Brazil comments.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 21, 2007, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: SU97 on July 21, 2007, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 21, 2007, 11:10:52 AM

I said they know they belong because they've seen the success before.  Beasley and Donovan winning gold and silver boots on the way to some spectacular upsets in the Saudi Arabia tournament was a big step up for us, no matter what the previous finishes were.  The publicity, etc.  These guys not only expect to win, but others expect it as well.  That's unique.  Most every one of these guys expects a chance at Euro play (or has it already).  This is a new generation.  They just need to find some consistency.

I apologize, I must have read it out of context.  I thought you were talking about the current crop on U-20 side (generation) due to the Brazil comments.

No, I was.  I was just saying that the current senior team had to earn the respect that the current U-20's seem to have grown up in.  This is the first one coming with really high expectations.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 07, 2007, 07:34:23 PM
Any thoughts on the Prem season this year.

I like the moves ManU made in the off-season, they'd be my favorite.  I also like the moves Liverpool made, but I don't think its enough to catch Chelsea and ManU.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 07, 2007, 11:06:00 PM

Liverpool has a shot, but if ManU actually gets Tevez, they will be unstoppable.  Chelsea will start at a disadvantage because of all the injuries.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 08, 2007, 02:39:57 PM
It's Man U, then everyone else.

I love Rafa's grab of Fernando Torres from Atletico.  They should have the firepower to score some goals this year. 

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on August 09, 2007, 02:45:29 PM
I see it this way

Man United
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool
Portsmouth
Spurs

I don't suspect it will be nearly as close as it was last year, however.  Chelsea loses Drogba and Essien during the African Cup of Nations Tournament.  Man United loses no one of such import to their lineup to that Tournament, and they will pull away at that time.

I picked the Gunners ahead of Liverpool because I'm a Gunners fan.  Although losing Toure to the AFN could be devastating to this young team.

Pompey has done some extraordinary things via the transfer window, again.  I look for them to make a very strong run for a Champions League spot.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 09, 2007, 08:56:53 PM
After what happened to Arsenal last year when Henry was injured, I 'd be more worried now that he's gone.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 09, 2007, 09:10:02 PM
I too look for Arsenal to be in danger of dropping out of the top four due to the departure of Henry.

As a Liverpool supporter, I hope the off-season acquisitions are enough.  I loved Torres in the World Cup--hope he is the consistent striker the Reds have been lacking. 

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 10, 2007, 03:07:38 PM
My wife and her soccer team are taking in the Dutch Super Cup (Johan Cruijff Shield) tomorrow night  in Amsterdam. It's Ajax and PSV. That should be a doozy. I am pretty jealous.

Feilhaber to Derby County.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 10, 2007, 06:30:14 PM
2007 German Bundesliga Opening Match Final:

Schalke 2, Stuttgart 2.  (One of Schalke's goals was an own goal, and that squad had tone shot bounce off a side post, and a second barely miss the net, both in the second half).

Sounds like Bayern Munich wants the top spot real bad after finishing 4th last season, from what the match commentator said.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 11, 2007, 05:13:21 PM

The one year I don't take him for my fantasy squad, Gerard puts a goal in the first match of the season.  Hargreaves better do something to make up for it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 13, 2007, 07:43:14 PM
Not sure how aware people are but Sunday is already a big day in the Premiership.

Liverpool host Chelsea, and ManCity host ManU who've lost Rooney for awhile.

Nice double-header.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 13, 2007, 11:02:04 PM
Quote from: sac on August 13, 2007, 07:43:14 PM
...and ManCity host ManU who've lost Rooney for awhile.

With that injury to Rooney, it looks as though that Tevez transfer is HUGE for ManU!  Although the Red Devils will have to wait a couple of months to get Rooney and Tevez on the pitch together, at least having Tevez out there should lessen the blow a bit of losing Rooney.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 14, 2007, 08:16:18 AM

Ronaldo and Carrick are going to have to wake up, though.  United looked a bit sluggish in that first match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 14, 2007, 09:50:32 AM
That Gerrard goal was a beauty.   

How about Martins' first goal for Newcastle?  Not a bad way to get the season started.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 16, 2007, 04:40:04 PM
Just ordered tickets for the US/ Brazil match on Sept 9th at Soldier Field.   It's being played on a FIFA date, which means all clubs must release their players. Here's hoping for two full squads.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 17, 2007, 08:16:47 AM

I guess Freddy Adu is going to get some serious run at Benefica.  Here's hoping he makes the most of it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 17, 2007, 08:37:20 AM
Funny quote from Derby's manager:

"Benny is a player we have been tracking for something like a year, and I think we got him out of Hamburg just in time - because after another six months the really big clubs would have been interested. He can play anywhere in midfield - left, right or in the middle - and he has a goal in him.

One thing he certainly does not lack is confidence - he is American."


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 17, 2007, 10:21:14 AM


Man, the Americans are really invading the big leagues now.  That's a great move for the future of our international team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 20, 2007, 01:57:58 PM
So, what are the chances Jose Mourihno complains about the favorable officiating Liverpool get from the referees this season.  ::) :D


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 20, 2007, 02:46:16 PM
That  was a laughable call. The annoouncers couldn't believe it.   There were some nasty challenges in that game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 20, 2007, 03:14:01 PM


The ref was suspended for his performance in that match, pending review.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 20, 2007, 06:15:27 PM
I'm writing from London now--saw the highlights on "Match of the Day" last night.   The Manchester Derby was the first game shown--who'd-a thunk Sven would rise from the ashes so quickly?

The Gerrard-to-Torres goal was a thing of beauty.  The announcers called it a "clever goal," and it was indeed that. 

The penalty call was truly egregious--Malouda got under Finnan.  Whatever contact there was, was intiated by the Chelsea player.  Then the ref waved a yellow card with Essian (who had already been booked) in his face, but later explained that it was for John Terry (who had also already been booked).  And yet neither was sent off.  He seemed to be saying that it was a sort of reminder for Terry. 

At any rate, I'm not reading anything about the ref's suspension for this weekend being subject to review.  The story is he's expected to apologize to Rafa.

There was an even more egregious officiating error in Saturday's Middlesbrough-Fulham match.  With Fulham down 2-1, a linesman ruled that the ball had not crossed the line for a Fulham equalizer late in the game.  Yet it was clear, even with a bad camera angle, that there was space between the ball and the line.  That linesman has also been suspended for one game.

Time to consider TV review, I think.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 20, 2007, 07:18:41 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on August 20, 2007, 06:15:27 PM
Time to consider TV review, I think.

They'd only do it for goals, though, you think?  I can't imagine they'd stop play to check on fouls and offsides, nor do I think I want them to.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 20, 2007, 08:10:24 PM
Maybe add 'cards' to goals - in both cases there is plenty enough stoppage time to make sure it's right.  And on goals, I'd hope they would check the lead up as well as the goal itself - this season I've already seen at least 4 goals that I'm almost positive should have been disallowed due to offsides (and at least 3 would have been against the team I was rooting for, so that's not just sour grapes!).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 21, 2007, 02:33:28 AM
Good points about not over-using TV review.  It's being discussed all over the London Press as in this article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A26112647

I think I'd go for review of:  goals, straight red cards, and second yellows.  I would hate to lose the "play on" for fouls (as a matter of fact, I've thought that would improve basketball but that's another conversation).  I'm still thinking about whether one of the managers should have to request the review, or whether an off-pitch official could do so.

Other points noted over the weekend:  the loss of Brian McBride for months due to a dislocated knee (he put in a goal, totally marked and untouched, and just collapsed), and the really poor play of Carlos Tevez, as noted in the BBC piece above.  Which is the real Tevez?

On the Three Lions front, Steven Gerrard, Owen Hargraves, and Darren Bent are all out for the friendly with Germany due to injury.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 21, 2007, 04:54:27 AM
I left out the obvious other situation for review:  penalties. There's not always a card given when a penalty is awarded.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 21, 2007, 08:24:55 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on August 21, 2007, 02:33:28 AM
the loss of Brian McBride for months due to a dislocated knee (he put in a goal, totally marked and untouched, and just collapsed),

He is like 48% metal, maybe he got left out in the rain?


The limited coach's challenge has worked pretty well for the NFL.  Perhaps if they did every goal, like the NHL does and then allow one challenge per half for each coach on other plays?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 23, 2007, 12:14:14 PM
Even though the U.S national team lost yesterday (for the fourth time in a row) in their exhibition game against Sweden, i am almost confident that they will be back in full game mode once the MLS season is over. There is no doubt that this team will bounce back, even after their tough Copa America experience, the boys will be more ready to produce wins.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 23, 2007, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on August 23, 2007, 12:14:14 PM
Even though the U.S national team lost yesterday (for the fourth time in a row) in their exhibition game against Sweden, i am almost confident that they will be back in full game mode once the MLS season is over. There is no doubt that this team will bounce back, even after their tough Copa America experience, the boys will be more ready to produce wins.


Yeah, that was a marked improvement over past Euro performances.  They were creating opportunities and seemed to be in control as opposed to the constant scrambling we sometimes see against more talented squads.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 23, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
My hat goes off to sweden for their win. ;D

Btw, Seems like "El Tri's following" are going back to their old ways in wanting coach sanchez to be removed from the head job. Most fans are tired of seeing El tri jump from being a good team back down to a mediocre team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 25, 2007, 06:57:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 23, 2007, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on August 23, 2007, 12:14:14 PM
Even though the U.S national team lost yesterday (for the fourth time in a row) in their exhibition game against Sweden, i am almost confident that they will be back in full game mode once the MLS season is over. There is no doubt that this team will bounce back, even after their tough Copa America experience, the boys will be more ready to produce wins.


Yeah, that was a marked improvement over past Euro performances.  They were creating opportunities and seemed to be in control as opposed to the constant scrambling we sometimes see against more talented squads.
I thought they played well.  That goal by Sweden was pretty questionable I thought as well.  At least the build up to the goal.  There was a blatant shove by a Swede right before he made the assist to Wilhelmsson.  If the refs would have called the blatant foul, Wilhelmsson would have never gotten the shot off.

Oh well, I guess that's what you get when you're playing on enemy soil... ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 25, 2007, 08:26:15 PM

Clint Dempsey scored for Fulham today.  Good to see the American guys playing well in England.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 30, 2007, 01:05:58 PM
The Champions League draw

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6970924.stm


Check out group E.....whoa!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 30, 2007, 02:43:09 PM
How did Rangers end up in pot 4?  That's a bit crazy.  I guess their coefficient is really down.  Although I'm not scared of Lyon.  I don't see that group as all that tougher than some others.  D, F, and G all seem equally difficult if nor more difficult than E.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on August 31, 2007, 09:19:32 AM
SI's Gabriele Marcotti's take on the draw:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/gabriele_marcotti/08/30/champions.draw/index.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 07, 2007, 06:37:18 AM
Greetings from London!

England plays Israel in a must-win tomorrow night at Wembley.  There are lots of injury problems--Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard are the biggest names--and Steven Gerrard and Owen Hargreaves are questionable.  Michael Owen has asked for Emile Heskey to be added to the side, as they were a very successful scoring team at Liverpool, and that has been done.  Perhaps the biggest question is who will play in goal, as Paul Robinson looked worse than shaky against Germany and again last weekend against Fulham.  The rejuvenated David James may get a start. 

We have booked tickets for the Liverpool match with Fulham at Anfield on 10 November--I don't want to think about the price.  The Reds look dangerous this year; Fernando Torres shows signs of delivering on the promise he showed playing for Spain in the World Cup.  And in late September we'll be taking students on a tour of Liverpool--mostly Beatles and other cultural history sites.  We'll be staying in the Brian Epstein Guest House--the late manager of the Beatles lived here as a child--and the place is located on Anfield Road, right down the road from the stadium!  We'll take the tour there as well.  Brilliant--we can hardly wait.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 07, 2007, 07:50:03 AM
This just in--Gerrard will play for England, and Robinson will start in goal over James.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on September 07, 2007, 08:24:04 AM
I've got a 50 yard line, second level seat for this Sunday's US v Brazil game.  Looking forward to seeing the fancy footwork from our friends from Brazil.  The forecast calls for mid - high 70's.  Should be good weather for the game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 07, 2007, 08:58:19 AM

Liverpool Fulham should be great.  Although it would stink in Clint Dempsey ends up beating your boys.  How's that for a mixed bag?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 07, 2007, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 07, 2007, 08:58:19 AM

Liverpool Fulham should be great.  Although it would stink in Clint Dempsey ends up beating your boys.  How's that for a mixed bag?

Well, it would stink in a way, but I really like Dempsey though.  I'd rather be beaten by a goal by him than almost anybody else.  And with Keller, Bocanegra, and McBride also on the side, Fulham has the most Americans of any EPL side, I think. 

It's funny.  A few years ago, when we lived in Boston, a friend couldn't use his tickets to a New England Revs match and he gave them to us.  The weather forecast was lousy and I wasn't so into footie (er, soccer) at the time, and remember saying to my husband "If it rains, we're leaving!"  Now that we're here and paying a premium to go to the match, I've already said "If it rains, we're not leaving!" 

Prediction for tomorrow:  England 1, Israel 0.  Anyone else?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2007, 10:05:59 PM
I've opened a Women's World Cup thread on the women's soccer board.  Since that board is all-but-deceased, I hoped it might either resurrect it, or stimulate discussion over here.

The Cup is coming soon!

(As a youth coach, I always advised my kids to watch the women.  The men tend to rely a great deal on speed and strength that few if any of my players would EVER be able to match; the women rely on skills and fundamentals that they CAN hope to achieve.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 08, 2007, 06:29:12 PM
Wow, I was overly pessimistic about England today!  They looked better than they had in months, if not years.  A major part of the improvement seemed to be the presence of Emile Heskey, at the request of Michael Owen.  Heskey was active throughout the match, giving the wingers a great target and passing off to MO for a beautiful second half goal.  19-year-old Micah Richards continues to impress at both ends of the pitch.  Israel did not look good at all. 

Shaun Wright-Phillips scored the first goal off a nice cross from Joe Cole.  His father, Ian Wright, was one of the commentators before and after the match, and at halftime, so the BBC commentary was especially lively.

We went to a street market earlier in the day...gents could have purchased England t-shirts, boxers, briefs, and socks. Watches and mobile phone covers were available for all.  Should be a great atmosphere at Wembley for the match with Russia on Wednesday.

Good point about the Women's World Cup, Ypsi.  I think the point about fundamentals is true in other sports as well--I've noticed it in basketball.  The WWC is getting some press here--five years ago people seemed not to be aware that women even play football.

A good day for sport here in England, with wins in rugby and cricket (neither of which I comprehend at all!) as well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Jim Matson on September 09, 2007, 09:25:48 PM
Brazil looked good today.  The US didn't look bad either although the first half was not as good as it could have been.  The own goal was very unlucky as the save was brilliant.

The overlook foul in the box was unbelievable - although contrary to the announcer's opinion, I think the match would have gone the same way.  We did score off that great cutback just minutes later.

Ypsi, I too look forward to watching the Women's Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on September 10, 2007, 06:43:28 AM
It was a great atmosphere at Soldier Field yesterday.  I just finished watching the TV broadcast so I could watch some of the questionable calls (or non calls).  The referee was brutal, Wynalda was right. The no call against Wolff was awful and the foul that led to Ronny's goal was wrong.  Bocanegra had a right to be PO'd.

The US didn't back down, and it was great to see.  I wish they would play more games in Chicago, that place was jumping. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 11, 2007, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: Stinger on September 10, 2007, 06:43:28 AM
The US didn't back down, and it was great to see.  I wish they would play more games in Chicago, that place was jumping. 

I was very impressed with the crowd at Soldier Field.  Especially given the fact that the Bears season opener with San Diego was on at the same time!  Very impressive turnout in Chi-town especially considering how passionate Chicagoans are about their Bears and also the fact that the Bears are coming off of a Super Bowl season and are favored to get back this year as well.  Nice to see the support for 'real' football! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 18, 2007, 09:46:27 AM

Champs league group phase opens today.  Most every match is at least dangerous, with the notable exception of Chelsea hosting Rosenborg.  That one could be ugly.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on September 18, 2007, 09:51:27 AM
In case you all need any help.....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/greg_lalas/09/17/champions.league/index.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 18, 2007, 01:21:02 PM

Nice article Stinger.  I'm lucky.  One of my friends in an office upstairs has a boos fro Argentina.  Major football matches are always on in their office.  I run a lot of "errands" during that time.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 18, 2007, 05:37:54 PM

I shouldn't have said that.  Chelsea needed a goal from Sheva near the end to escape with a draw.  Fear Rosenborg!


A bunch of draws today, which always makes group play more fun.  Celtic went down 2-0 to Shankar Donestk; I have to think that's an upset.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 18, 2007, 05:45:03 PM
Hoops, I thought of you as we heard the Chelsea score announced during the Liverpool match. 

Liverpool looked sluggish until Jermaine Pennant got sent off with half an hour to go.  The Porto goal came on a penalty that was well deserved--Sami Hyypia got beat and Reina came out to challenge the attacker.  Reina clearly took the attacker down.  Sami made up for it at the other end shortly thereafter when he sent a lovely ball in to Dirk Kuyt.  Porto spent the rest of the match trying to get calls against Liverpool (often succeeding).  Once they went a man up and didn't score, though, their fans turned on them and started "booing"--whistling--at them instead of at Liverpool.  Tough crowd!

Anyway, an away draw is a win, so things look better for Liverpool than for Chelsea at the moment.  And I would call the Celtic result an upset too.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 20, 2007, 07:38:40 AM

So Mourinho skips town in the middle of the night?  I see the vikings are still pillaging England.  Fear Norway!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 20, 2007, 11:09:55 AM
This from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7004780.stm

Since Mourinho is getting a severance package, it seems the departure might not be so much by mutual agreement as it first sounded.

Now Liverpool have lost Daniel Aggar and Xabi Alonso to broken metatarsals.  I never heard of broken bones being contagious, but it's starting to look that way!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 01, 2007, 10:38:53 AM
Hello from London again,

We are just back from a weekend in Liverpool.  Some of our trips are directed toward education, and some are intended as a more general cultural education--that was this weekend.  We visited the childhood homes of John Lennon and Paul McCartney, rode the Magical Mystery Tour bus, and visited the Beatles Story museum--and we took a tour of Anfield, home of Liverpool Football Club.

The Anfield tour was wonderful.  There were nearly 50 people, ranging from female IWU students who admittedly knew nothing about football, to die-hard Reds fans, and the guide somehow managed to make it fun for everyone.  The changing room is tiny--no bigger than the living room of our flat!  The players' shirts are hung on the wall by approximate position--defense, midfield, and striker--so that if the coaches want to address one aspect of the game, it's easy.  We had lots of time for photographs (somehow I got the seat of honor on the physio table used by Steven Gerrard).  The guide took a photo of our IWU group in the interview area, and I got mine taken in front of the "This is Anfield" sign.  When we went out to the pitch, my first impression was that it's smaller than the one my daughter plays on back in Bloomington.  I thought that was an illusion, because it's bounded by stands, but the guide said no, it actually is small (I think I remember 110 x 74).  Whenever they play a European match there, they have to get special permission.  Another reason why they need a new stadium (along with limited seating by EPL standards).

It was a fantastic afternoon.  We came out of the Museum with only a few minutes in the shop, and so we had to go back the next morning.  The students are talking about finding a pub with Sky TV to watch Liverpool play Marseille later this week.  Hopefully we've made some new football fans!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 11, 2007, 06:29:03 PM
Awesome stuff, thanks.

Hope the Marseille match didn't turn off any future interest.  Yuck!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 14, 2007, 07:18:59 AM
In the end, no one went looking for the Liverpool--Marseille match--they had a quiz and a paper due the next day.  The highlights, such as they were, were pretty gruesome.  Not sure what's up with the Reds--there is lots of questioning of Rafa's rotation from all sides.  The break for the international matches may have come at a good time for Liverpool.

Quick report from our group living in London--we just returned from nine days in York and the Yorkshire Dales (think James Herriot stories and the "All Creatures Great and Small" TV shows).  We visited castles and ruined abbeys, saw how they make the Wensleydale cheese (Wallace's favorite of "Wallace and Gromit"), and saw how Theakston makes beer the old-fashioned way, using gravity.  We went on a hike and miraculously did not get rained on.  A good time was had by all, hopefully some learning went on, and we were back in London in time for "the rugby" last night.  The whole country was watching "the rugby."

Oh yes, the football news from our group--they started playing themselves, in the Dales.  Of 21, 16 were playing football for up to four hours each afternoon and early evening!  And they are calling it "football."  Amazing.  I have no idea where they got the football.

I've gone from finding rugby incomprehensible to just being confused.  I still find about half of the commentators' remarks strange--I know they're in English but I don't know what they mean--but I am now interested and am trying to figure it out.  We missed England's win over Australia, but the 11-9 win over France last night was high drama.  England scored on the first play of the game, lost the lead a few minutes later, and didn't get it back until less than 5 minutes were left on a Johnny Wilkerson drop goal (his kicks were responsible for 9 of England's 11 points).  England's defense was brilliant and kept France from scoring except on penalties.  Next week they play in the World Cup final after being given up for dead.

Wayne Rooney's return to the England football side was productive but pretty anti-climactic after the rugby match.  Sounds like Owen-Rooney is not a match made in heaven, as both of them work best playing off a bigger man.  Now they need a tie in Russia to go through to the next round.  It should be doable, but we all know why they play the games.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 15, 2007, 08:32:29 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on October 14, 2007, 07:18:59 AMWayne Rooney's return to the England football side was productive but pretty anti-climactic after the rugby match.  Sounds like Owen-Rooney is not a match made in heaven, as both of them work best playing off a bigger man.  Now they need a tie in Russia to go through to the next round.  It should be doable, but we all know why they play the games.

Plus the England squad is going to have to adjust to playing on FieldTurf, which has only been allowed for these matches very recently.  None of the Englishmen like the idea all that much.  We'll see what sort of havoc that wreaks on their heads.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 15, 2007, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 15, 2007, 08:32:29 AM
Plus the England squad is going to have to adjust to playing on FieldTurf, which has only been allowed for these matches very recently.  None of the Englishmen like the idea all that much.  We'll see what sort of havoc that wreaks on their heads.

And knees, and metatarsals.  They are saying it won't make a difference, but we'll see. 

Michael Owen has taken some stick in the press--a rare occurrance--for publicly saying that playing for England is of greatest importance to him.  The Newcastle fans and manager are not thrilled with that.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 15, 2007, 01:13:25 PM

I don't know the specific make-up of the Russian field, but I've played on FieldTurf before and if there is any sort of inclement weather (as I suspect Russia in October can provide) I'd prefer the fake stuff to real turf.  It holds up much better.



By the way, the US has assembled a pretty solid Euro-based squad to face Switzerland in a friendly on Wednesday.  We should have our full compliment of defenders there, which will hopefully make up for a lack of midfield help.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 17, 2007, 01:56:13 PM

England opens with a monster first half, only to give away the farm in the second.  There's very little hope of them making the Euro tournament now.  A huge failure for a squad that was really starting to find their own way.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 17, 2007, 04:27:15 PM

Sure it was a friendly, but the US beat a solid (not stellar) Swiss squad on European soil today thanks mainly to the contributions of players under 25 years old.

Switzerland was down all-world striker Hans Frei (who may or may not still be competing internationally), but it was still a victory the likes of which we haven't seen in a very long time.

The US just does not win in Europe.  Big time performance from the crew.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 17, 2007, 07:05:06 PM
European Championship Qualifying : Group E Table
17 October 2007 20:53
     PTS
1 Croatia  26
2 England  23
3 Russia  21
4 Israel 17
5 FYR Macedonia  11
6 Estonia  4
7 Andorra 0

Top 2 advance


Croatia need just one point from their remaining two games to qualify. Russia will qualify if they win their remaining two games, while England, who play Croatia at Wembley in their last game, need Russia to slip up.

Russia play Israel and Andorra.....so you can chalk up the win vs Andorra.  England need a win over Croatia

Croatia play FYR Macedonia and England.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 17, 2007, 07:10:18 PM
Just finished watching "Match of the Day" on the BBC.  A Russian guy at the pub tonight told me he thought the match should have been a draw and that seems about right.  Actually England seems to have played better for most of the game, but they just fell apart for five  minutes after the Rooney penalty (a really bad call, but that happens).  The defense looked stunned, and that left a shaky keeper open to attack for the second Russian goal.

Actually, assuming England fails to qualify for Euro 2008 (which seems likely), it won't be due to this game--it will be because of the earlier ties with Macedonia and Israel.  And McClaren is probably history.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 24, 2007, 10:20:22 PM
If there's an upside, Liverpool might be able to concentrate on the EPL more.

But yikes!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 25, 2007, 08:31:37 AM

Not a good night for Liverpool, but perhaps better than Valencia, who lost to Rosenborg!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 30, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
Congratulations to former U-17  Coach John Hackworth who was just named assistant Coach of U.S. Men's National Team. With Coach Hackworth's experience with youth, i am sure coach bradely will be suprised on how his assistant will get all the young guns on the MNT ready for World Competition.     

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 31, 2007, 01:00:40 PM
Great news for Brasil in finally getting the Nod to host the 2014 FIFA world cup. Boy, will it be awesome to visit that country during that time and see how they party (especially to see the love that they have for their National team and of course the hot women) ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on October 31, 2007, 04:09:22 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on October 31, 2007, 01:00:40 PM
Great news for Brasil in finally getting the Nod to host the 2014 FIFA world cup. Boy, will it be awesome to visit that country during that time and see how they party (especially to see the love that they have for their National team and of course the hot women) ;D

Great news for Brazil, but they have a heckuva lot of work to do based on this commentary from Tim Vickery:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_vickery/10/30/brazil.bid/index.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 31, 2007, 04:54:11 PM
I think they're still further along than South Africa. :D

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 31, 2007, 06:57:45 PM
Liverpool finally won in a cup competition, dispatching Robbie Fowler and Cardiff to reach the final eight in the Carling Cup.  Not a good run by the Reds over the past couple of weeks, but they have been fighting injuries, with Torres and Alonso going down (again) on Sunday.  Looks as though Alonso has broken (or re-broken) a metatarsal, while Torres seems to have aggravated a groin pull that was thought to be healed.  We go to Anfield a week from Sunday, so it's highly unlikely we'll see Torres on the pitch.  There is a slight hope that Daniel Aggar will be back by then--welcome news with the bad spell Sami Hyypia's game has taken. 

I didn't see Match of the Day over the weekend; evidently both sides played well when Arsenal came to town.  Both the Gerrard and Fabregas goals sounded well earned and well taken.

The weather here in London is cool--highs in the 50s and lows in the 40s--and being outside for a game in Liverpool should be pretty pleasant.  Here's a link to a good column about Rafa Benitez's policy of rotating players:
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG157492071030-1502.htm

I'll be sure to post about the Liverpool-Fulham match and what the scene in the stands at Anfield is like.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on November 02, 2007, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on October 31, 2007, 06:57:45 PM

I didn't see Match of the Day over the weekend; evidently both sides played well when Arsenal came to town.  Both the Gerrard and Fabregas goals sounded well earned and well taken.

I'll be sure to post about the Liverpool-Fulham match and what the scene in the stands at Anfield is like.
Thanks for the updates Hoosier.  I was able to watch that Liverpool-Arsenal match and it was indeed a very good match.  I do think that Liverpool was fortunate to escape with a draw though.  Arsenal missed two opportunites with an open net on rebound chances.  Fabregas was involved in both.  He missed the net entirely on a rebound opportunity and later he fired a laser that hit the post and the rebound (I can't recall who it was) was missed badly once again. 

Not to take anything away from Liverpool, they had some chances as well.  Arsenal's keeper made a couple of nifty saves on a couple of rockets of the feet of Gerrard and Crouch to preserve the draw on his end as well!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 07, 2007, 02:55:50 AM
Finally, some joy for Liverpool!  It's hard to believe they lost to Besiktas two weeks ago.  There was a hat trick from Jossi Benayoun and two goals each from Peter Crouch, but it was really a team effort.  The play up the right side was fantastic--Benayoun was at right wing--and Andriy Voronin had the most productive game I've ever seen from a striker who didn't score.  His play was unselfish and spot on. 

For those who might not have seen the news, the 8-0 score was a record margin of defeat for a Champions League match, just passing the 7-0 margin Arsenal recently racked up.  So, over here, the chat boards are for the moment full of Reds supporters crowing and Arsenal supporters taunting.  Liverpool still need to beat Porto at Anfield and Marseille away to ensure qualification, after all.

Still, it was encouraging.  We leave for Liverpool Friday afternoon and our tickets aren't here yet; the agency promises they will be here by 1:00 pm tomorrow.  Think good thoughts for us, please!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 08, 2007, 03:15:09 PM
The 8-0 win give Liverpool a huge lead in the goal difference (now at +6 over marseille).  Its safe to say Marseille and Porto will beat Besiktas, Liverpool must win their final two and they'd scrape by on goal difference.

Quite a turnaround from 2 weeks ago, and not one you'd expect given how they've played the last month or so.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 08, 2007, 05:52:46 PM
Tickets arrived this afternoon!  We leave for Liverpool tomorrow noontime.  Dinner on the Albert Dock tomorrow night.  Saturday we visit the Slavery Museum (our daughter is doing U.S. History online here--her project is comparing the slave trade in Britain and the U.S.).  The Liverpool-Fulham match is at 5:15 Saturday.  Word is Fernando Torres will be available.  We're psyched!  I promise to report back no matter what the outcome, once we've returned to London Sunday night.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 12, 2007, 07:45:37 AM
Anfield Trip Report (Warning--long!)

My husband, daughter and I--currently living in London for the autumn semester, teaching and being parent figures for 20 IWU sophomores--took a long-planned trip to Liverpool last weekend to see the Liverpool-Fulham match.  I tried ordering hospitality tickets from LFC last summer the very first day they went on sale but no luck--I got a letter two weeks later saying they were sold out.  So, as soon as we got here, I started looking at legal ticket brokers.  We ordered tickets in early September and booked our hotel and train.

The tickets finally arrived Thursday for a Saturday match; we were starting to sweat a little because we had to leave Friday.  They were delivered by courier at about 2:00 p.m.  The trip was uneventful, and we had a great dinner on the Albert Dock, right on the waterside.  We stayed at a Travelodge, which was a good deal and very quiet.  The match was Saturday's late (5:15) one, so we had the morning to ourselves.  We went to the Maritime Museum, which is the home of the Slavery Museum.  Britain is celebrating the 200th anniversary of the end of slavery in Britain, and the Museum is in Liverpool because it was the city most involved (in fact, Penny Lane is named after one a well-known slave ship owner).  Our daughter is doing her U.S. history project comparing the effects of slavery in Britain and in the U.S., so it was great for her.

We caught the bus for Anfield at about 2:00.  It soon became jammed with people in red scarves, hats, sweaters--you name it.  The street was jumping, with lots of vendors, all the pubs open, and people asking for tickets.  We just hung out, watching the scene.  We wandered over to the side with the players' and bigwigs' entrances; the only celebrity we saw was former Liverpool star John Barnes, heading for the Setanta booth.  He stopped for autographs and photos with kids (and a few older people) and was very gracious.  We'd been told the gates would open at 4:15, an hour before match time, but for some reason they opened at 3:45.  The turnstiles are incredibly narrow--I'm surprised that some people fit!--but of course this prevents crowding and crushing.

Our seats were very near the top of the Main Stand (the side where the cameras are for televised matches, and where the managers and teams sit), but we were exactly midfield and the whole field was visible.  They were really great seats.

There are large signs as you enter the seating area "No Alcohol Beyond This Point"--a very welcome sight. 

Liverpool's lineup was unchanged from the victory over Besiktas Tuesday night--very unusual for Rafa Benitez.  The match was frustrating for Liverpool--Fulham were clearly playing deep and narrow in an attempt to gain a tie.  It's a reasonable strategy, but of course not what we wanted to see.  There were many, many near misses for Liverpool; Andriy Vornin was so close a number of times.  At about 60 minutes there was a huge roar from the Kop (the diehard fans on the end who lead the singing)--subs were up, including Fernando Torres.   Torres came in at 70 minutes, and finally, at 82 minutes, came the goal.  Pepe Reina's clear from the other end of the pitch came to Torres, who looked to be going at goal from the extreme right side.  Just as the defender with him and the keeper committed, Torres switched to his left foot, neatly nutmegging the defender and beating the keeper.  Finally, Carlos Bocanegra brought Peter Crouch down just in the box (or very close--there was some controversy), and Steven Gerrard put away the penalty.  Fulham has a lot of players I like--and a lot of American players--but they really weren't trying to win the match, and the win was well-earned.

It took us over two hours to get back to our hotel, but that's for another story.  There's going to be one BHS female defender very well kitted out after a visit to the club store!

All in all, a GREAT sporting experience.  I've seen Red Sox-Yankees games, the Larry Bird-era Celtics, the undefeated Indiana 75-76 team, and IWU in Salem, and this was not second to any of them.  I've never seen a crowd so into the game and so tuned into what a team was trying to do.  I'm so glad we were able to go.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 14, 2007, 01:16:20 PM
Can't wait to see the U.S. mens national team take on South Africa in 2 days. Coach Bradley just named his starters as of today

btw, H.T.: I bet that stadium and atmosphere was just awesome to see and be in. I wish that one day our major U.S. stadiums (stadiums that are 70,000 +) can fill up like that for all MLS games.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 17, 2007, 03:19:22 PM
Nice win for Team U.S against South Africa last night. Glad to see that the M.N.T has ended the year with a big win.

Here's a short game recap and highlight about last night's game. Congrats U.S:
Steve Cherundolo gave fans watching at Summers, Ginger's, Nevada Smith's and on the couch something to cheer about with a 27th minute blast from tight angle for a first-half  lead, and that's all the U.S. would need to top South Africa, 1-0, in Johannesburg to finish their year with a win.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 19, 2007, 11:31:57 PM
Nice to see Israel save England's rear in Euro qualifying.  It looked pretty dire 3 weeks ago, now it seems doable.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2007, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2007, 11:31:57 PM
Nice to see Israel save England's rear in Euro qualifying.  It looked pretty dire 3 weeks ago, now it seems doable.

It's certainly doable seeing as how their opponent has already qualified and has stated publicly that a draw would be ok by them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 21, 2007, 06:00:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 20, 2007, 12:03:24 PM
It's certainly doable seeing as how their opponent has already qualified and has stated publicly that a draw would be ok by them.

Not so much.  Croatia 3 England 2
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 21, 2007, 07:04:42 PM
Quote from: sac on November 21, 2007, 06:00:36 PM

Not so much.  Croatia 3 England 2

Ouch ouch ouch.  We had bought tickets long ago to see Patrick Stewart in Macbeth (excellent), so we didn't watch the match.  Evidently the change in goal was a big mistake.  Word now is that the FA are meeting first thing in the morning to discuss McClaren's future.

A guy in the row in front of us went out 10 minutes before the play started and sold his ticket in the street; he said he was going to the sports bar next door to watch the footie.  I think I'm glad I didn't make that choice.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 21, 2007, 07:12:05 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on November 14, 2007, 01:16:20 PM

btw, H.T.: I bet that stadium and atmosphere was just awesome to see and be in. I wish that one day our major U.S. stadiums (stadiums that are 70,000 +) can fill up like that for all MLS games.

Browneagle,

Sorry, I just saw this.  You're right, it was an awesome atmosphere.  A few years ago, when we lived in Boston, a friend gave us tickets to see the New England Revolution.  The fans who were there were knowledgeable, but the football we discuss here still hasn't caught on enough to pack the stadiums and make the atmosphere electric.  It will happen!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on November 22, 2007, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on November 21, 2007, 07:04:42 PM
Quote from: sac on November 21, 2007, 06:00:36 PM

Not so much.  Croatia 3 England 2

Ouch ouch ouch.  We had bought tickets long ago to see Patrick Stewart in Macbeth (excellent), so we didn't watch the match.  Evidently the change in goal was a big mistake.  Word now is that the FA are meeting first thing in the morning to discuss McClaren's future.

A guy in the row in front of us went out 10 minutes before the play started and sold his ticket in the street; he said he was going to the sports bar next door to watch the footie.  I think I'm glad I didn't make that choice.
Hoosier,

So have people started jumping off bridges yet???  What a horrendous result for England and more specifically McClaren?!  Especially after what Israel did for their cause!

McClaren's only mistake wasn't just who he started in goal IMO.  I thought not starting Beckham was a big mistake on his part as well! 

I guess Sven-Goran Eriksson  isn't looking so bad these days! ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2007, 10:07:02 AM

I turned it off when Croatia got the second goal.  England never comes back like that.  It's got to be even more tragic by the fact they worked it back to a draw only to give up one more.  Just crazy.  McLaren's an incredible coach though; someone is going to be very lucky that the FA pulled the trigger so fast.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 23, 2007, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on November 22, 2007, 09:50:53 AM
Hoosier,

So have people started jumping off bridges yet???  What a horrendous result for England and more specifically McClaren?!  Especially after what Israel did for their cause!

McClaren's only mistake wasn't just who he started in goal IMO.  I thought not starting Beckham was a big mistake on his part as well! 

I guess Sven-Goran Eriksson  isn't looking so bad these days! ::)

It's been pretty dreary, Scots.  Here's a link to an article that was on the BBC front page earlier:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7108840.stm

it's called "10 Thinks to Do During Euro 2008"

I think, deep down, a lot of people weren't surprised.  I was concerned about the need to change from 4-4-2--England never seem to do well in other formations--but I did think they'd at least get the draw.  And the failure to hold on for the draw after clawing back from 2 goals down is shocking.  Before the match I thought that keeping Beckham in reserve was probably the right move, but Wright- Phillips' attempt getting an offside call was beyond stupid.  At least Becks wouldn't have made a mistake like that.

"Overpaid footballers" have taken a lot of stick during the time we've been here.  I think the contrast with the rugby team (which made it to the finals of the World Cup and got me to watch several rugby matches from start to finish) hasn't worked to the footballers' advantage.  Everyone wants a strong national team for qualifying events like this, but what they put their money on, week after week, is the English Premier League--and the teams are more and more populated by Spaniards, Frenchmen, Africans, a few Americans...and about 3 Englishmen per side.  Even Steven Gerrard has come out in favor of a quota on non-English players on EPL sides--yet I wouldn't want to watch Liverpool without the Spanish players Benitez has brought in.  They do have a dilemma.

It looks as though there won't be a new manager right away.  The first two contenders for the job, Jose Mourinho and Martin O'Neill (who applied for it last time and was passed over for McClaren), have said they're not interested.  The only thing I have to say about McClaren is that I don't think he always used the best players in the best way.  For example, Jamie Carregher, still one of the best centre backs in the EPL and still in his 20's, retired from international football after being either benched or used out of position at fullback too many times.  McClaren could have used him in this match--he did go to Liverpool a couple of games ago to try to get Carragher back, to no avail.  But I guess being second-guessed by old ladies like me is why they pay the managers the big bucks!  :D

And yes, Sven is looking pretty good these days.  We were here when he named Theo Wolcott to the England side for the World Cup, and he looked silly after that.  But now, Theo could probably have helped them the other night, and Sven is in the top four of the EPL.  Who'd'a thunk it?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 27, 2007, 12:55:20 AM
Hey guys
here's what the M.N.T website announced today in regard to the team's quest to qualify for the World Cup and thought that i should share it with you guys. Additionally, i looked at "El tri's" qualifying matches and boy did i start to laugh (Coach Hugo Sanchez and Co. have the easiest path to the World Cup this time around as they will face off Belice and  San Kitts & Nevis)

At the FIFA Preliminary Draw for the 2010 World Cup in Durban, South Africa, it was determined that the U.S. Men's National Team will open their quest to qualify for a sixth consecutive World Cup in June in Group 1A with a home match versus the winner of an opening-round series between the nations of Dominica and Barbados. The U.S. will play the away leg of their second round series in consecutive weekends.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 11, 2007, 06:50:25 PM
This will be my last report from the home of the English Premier League--we leave for home on Thursday.  While there is lots we will miss--the Underground and theatre and football--we are starting to get hungry for hot dogs in gyms in the deep midwinter (and it sounds like Illinois is in the thick of that).

We had promised to take our daughter to see Spamalot a second time as a part of her Christmas present, and tonight turned out to be the only time we could go, so I had to pass on the Liverpool-Marseille Champions' League qualifier.  Some of you may have seen it (and another thing I'm missing at home is Tivo, so I can record things like this).  After losing their unbeaten record in the EPL Saturday against Reading, the Reds apparently came out strong tonight and put it away within minutes--a Steven Gerrard penalty after 4 and a Fernando Torres strike after 11.  Next weekend brings Man U to Anfield for the first meeting of the two teams this season.  Arsenal and Man City's losses this weekend kept the top of the table tight--should be an interesting next few weeks.

London is great, and going to Liverpool and Anfield was one of the very biggest highlights.  I'm really glad we did it. 

See you all here (and on the basketball boards!)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on December 12, 2007, 01:06:38 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on December 11, 2007, 06:50:25 PM
London is great, and going to Liverpool and Anfield was one of the very biggest highlights.  I'm really glad we did it. 
You are right about that Hoosier.  I spent a summer after college in London working at a shelter.  I was able to sub-let a flat for a very dirt cheap price for London's standards!  It was even a 1st floor flat with a garden in the back!  I was in heaven for the 3 months I spent over there!  My flat was right around the corner from the Portobello Market which I took in almost every Saturday.  I was also less than 2 blocks from the Underground giving me easy access to all of London!  Although, I didn't enjoy my commutes to and from work too much!  Talk about feeling like a sardine! But that was a small price to pay to have had the opportunity for such an incredible experience!   It sounds like you, your family and your class have all had a pretty incredible experince as well!

I haven't been back since and your stories have really got me jonesing to get back! :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 01, 2008, 09:20:21 AM
Coming out of the holiday season, it looks like a two horse race in the Premiership (I know, that's not what we are supposed to call it, but that is how I will always know the league) between Arsenal & Man U.  I am hopeful that the young Gunners can see it through to the end, but am certainly leary of United's veterans.  I look for Arsene to add some experience to the backline to compensate for the loss of Toure to the African Nations Cup, and hope that will be enough.

It seems to me that with all of their injuries and losses to the ANC Chelsea will not be able to keep pace. 

Liverpool is a one trick pony.  If and when Torres cools, they will fade.

At the foot of the table I supect it will remain just as it is today.  Keane will not allow the Black Cats to go down, and Bolton for all of their troubles simply have more talent than the other "contenders" for the drop.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 01, 2008, 05:49:24 PM


I got to see the thrilling Chelsea-Villa match live on Fox Sports en Espanol (surprisingly it was in English).  That was just an incredible match, but it was quite easy to see the toll that injuries have taken on the Blues.  Terry would have kept half of the Villa goals from even getting attempted and Lampard's early exit hurt as well, especially when they brought on a not-yet-fit Ballack to replace him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 02, 2008, 09:45:51 AM
Hoops,

That was a great match.  What did you think of some of the cards?  I thought the red on Knight was a little dodgy.  The Villains had another cracker of a match yesterday with Spurs.

Joe Wally,

Much as it pains me to admit it, I fear your prediction for the final two in the EPL is correct.  I think calling Liverpool a "one trick pony" is a little harsh as long as they have Steven Gerrard, a host of other scoring midfielders, and one of the best defenses in the EPL.  But the Reds have had several opportunities lately when the other Big Three have lost or tied and they haven't made the most of them.  Time's a'wasting to catch up.

Man City has been the big surprise for me--they've cooled off somewhat but they haven't faded as I expected them to.  I guess there were positive reasons why Sven was hired as England coach (which I had time to forget during the World Cup).

At the bottom of the table, I think Derby stands alone as the most inept (least talented?) and certain to go down.  They have played better since Jewell took over, but their defense is just awful.  I saw Fulham under Sanchez; perhaps it wasn't a fair chance to assess them since the match was at Anfield and they were clearly playing for the draw.  But Clint Dempsey seemed the only real bright spot.  You mention Roy Keane keeping Sunderland up--that would be a truly great accomplishment for a manager.  For now they are safe--time will tell.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 02, 2008, 10:00:20 AM
The Chelsea Villa match was tremendous.  I agree that the card on Knight was sketchy, at best.  Ballack looked as if he had been shot as he dove to the ground.

H.T.

I don't disagree that Liverpool have those other tools, but IMHO (and it is humble) the only one that they seem to use effectively and consistently is Torres.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2008, 07:30:11 PM

I wasn't surprised at all by the Knight card.  It was a poor choice on his part, especially when he knew full well the refs look to equalize.

If it was the first incident of the game, it wouldn't have been called as it was.  I was just impressed that those Villans never gave up.  I haven't seen a team so tenacious in any sport in a while.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 02, 2008, 07:50:13 PM
Okay, I'm done defending the Scousers (Liverpool) for a while.  Ouch.  Sometimes, as the song says,  love hurts.  Titus Bramble??? :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 03, 2008, 12:01:30 PM
Nice to see some life on this board again.

I too got to see that Chelsea-Villa match and I concur, what a great match that was!!!  You have to give Villa lots of credit for the tenacity they showed in continuing to battle back and at the Bridge to boot!

As for the race for the Premiership, I wouldn't be too quick to declare this a 2 horse race just yet.  Chelsea is still right there only 6 points back.  They've got to be kicking themselves for losing those 2 points in that Villa draw!  Chelsea's schedule looks very favorable for them to rack up some points if they can continue to get favorable results.

Beyond Arsenal, ManU and Chelsea I really don't see anyone else in a position to make a push to challenge the top 3.  However, the fight for the final Champions League spot should be fun to watch as well.  As it stands now, the difference between 4th place City and 9th place Blackburn is just 6 points!  And only 3 points separate City, Liverpool, Villa and Everton!   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 03, 2008, 12:37:48 PM
As I look at Chelsea, they've lost Drogba to injury, and have struggled as a result.  They are about to lose the true heart and soul of their team, Essien (along w/ Drogba).  This won't result in a "disaster" for Chelsea because there are too many talented players on that roster relative to the rest of the league, but it will prevent them from making up any ground on Arsenal or Man U, and will most likely result in them losing ground.

Watched Man City play Newcastle last night.  Starting with Dunne & Richards at the back, that is a very very nice team.  If they can get Vassel heated up, that can be a very dangerous team.

What's to be said about Newcastle, just a shambles.  Alardyce must be wishing he were back at the Reebok right now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2008, 10:31:05 AM
I'm surprised that there hasn't been any chatter about the transfers going on in the Premeirship.  Most notbaly, the transfers that Chelsea picked up!

Nicolas Anelka from Bolton was signed for 15 million pounds and they also added Serbian defender Branislav Ivanovic from Lokomotiv Moscow for a measley 9 million pounds.  Chelsea has faaaar outspent any other club with their 24 million pounds spent on the 2 transfers.

I think that Anelka will fill in nicely for the Blues until Drogba's return.  And apparantly, Anelka is looking forward to playing alongside Drogba up front for Chelsea.  He said that he is not looking to be on the pitch just to score and that he is willing to adapt his game to make sure that he and Drogba could form a good partnership.

We shall see if the 2 scorers can co-exhist.  It's easier said than done the way I see it. 

As for Chelsea, it looks as if they are definately not going away anytime soon.  They have pulled to within 4 points of the co-leaders Arsenal and ManU.  With their transfer additions, they have appeared to make themselves even stronger. 

Overall, I just don't see Arsenal being able to sustain their lead.  ManU have caught them and the Red Devils look to be hitting on all cylinders right now.  And with Chelsea also breathing down the Gunner's necks, I just don't see them withstanding the pressure.

Beyond those three, the rest of the challengers appear to be fading and now the fight for them is for the 4th and final Champs League spot.  And you couldn't ask for a better race as 4 teams are currently tied for that 4th spot with Liverpool having a slight advantage with a game in hand.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the transfer market to date?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 17, 2008, 11:31:37 AM
It's been suprisingly quiet over the first two weeks.

Sunderland picked up a nice kid, Mvoto from PSG.

Tottenahm looks to be first in line for Fred from Lyon.  It seems to me that Tottenham would be better off holding on to Berbatov rather than bringing a new kid in and waiting the two to three months it will take for him to get acclimated to the Premiership.

It will be interesting to see what Keegan does at Newcastle.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 17, 2008, 01:01:57 PM
It is nice to see life on this board again.  My problem as a Liverpool supporter, is, well, Liverpool :D.
Seriously, they have to stop getting draws and get some wins.  The trouncing of Luton Town in the rematch was a start, and I felt better about the initial 0-0 draw when the announcer said that Luton had achieved a draw in their own league after having 3 men sent off. 

Since classes have started up again I haven't had a chance to watch a lot of other teams' matches.  Earlier, I thought Arsenal showed the most potential to take the League, but obviously Man U are coming on strong.  I have always liked Anelka; he should be a good get for Chelsea. 

I suspect that all the manager-owner shenanigans have distracted everyone and hurt Liverpool's play.  And I've long suspected that Daniel Aggar's injury is worse than was let on, and that that's why Rafa Benitez was so insistent, back in November and December, on getting another defender.  They've acquired Martin Skrtel, a Slovakian centre-back, but I'm not sure that's the acquisition Rafa was looking for.  For people who admitted that they knew next to nothing about football when they acquired the team, the new owners are micromanaging to a surprising extent (the latest rumor was that Rafa was gone if they lost to Luton).  I hope they simply back off and let the manager manage until the end of the season.

Monday's Liverpool-Aston Villa match is huge for both sides, as they are even on points.  Villa has had some tough losses and can be scary.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 17, 2008, 01:21:14 PM
In spite of my earlier prediction regarding where Liverpool will land (which I stand by) it does not seem to me that you can look at that roster and then blame Benitez for their current results.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 17, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on January 17, 2008, 01:21:14 PM
In spite of my earlier prediction regarding where Liverpool will land (which I stand by) it does not seem to me that you can look at that roster and then blame Benitez for their current results.

I agree with not blaming Benitez, but apparently the new owners don't agree with us, if what's been reported is true.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 17, 2008, 01:56:08 PM
The current Liverpool side have drawn, in the EPL, with Chelsea, Portsmouth, Birmingham City, Spurs, Arsenal, Blackburn, Manchester City, Wigan, and Middlesbrough.  They've lost to Reading.  Leaving aside the draws with Chelsea and Arsenal, if they have aspirations of improving their standing, Liverpool should have beaten sides like Birmingham, Wigan, and Middlesbrough.  I think that's what the criticism is about.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 17, 2008, 02:50:32 PM
My Gunners are rubbing their hands over the same sort of run of form recently.  It's reminiscent of the constant game of catch-up that they seemed to play in every match last year.

Now w/ Van Persie down they really need to see Eduardo come into form.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on January 17, 2008, 04:04:01 PM
I've always thought Anelka is more trouble than he's worth.  I've had a bad taste in my mouth since his days at Madrid. But, I guess with their injury problems, they had to do it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 17, 2008, 04:43:45 PM
I've heard some bad reports about Anelka's work ethic, at least at different times in the past.  Maybe he's decided that Bolton isn't where he wants to play out his career.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 18, 2008, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 17, 2008, 04:43:45 PM
I've heard some bad reports about Anelka's work ethic, at least at different times in the past.  Maybe he's decided that Bolton isn't where he wants to play out his career.
I really thought  that maybe he was happy at Bolton when he turned down the chance to return to Arsenal.  From what I've read though, was that he just wanted to get back to a top flight club competing for a Premiership title and also  in the Champs League.

As for his bad rap, I think he's going to have a hard time shaking that one off.  He's trying to claim that he's not that sort of player portrayed by the media and most fans and that he is the victim of getting a bad rap.  I guess he has the perfect opportunity to prove that he's not the spoiled player most seem to think he is if indeed he accepts a more secondary role among all of the stars at Chelsea.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 18, 2008, 12:21:07 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 18, 2008, 09:29:11 AM
I really thought  that maybe he was happy at Bolton when he turned down the chance to return to Arsenal....
As for his bad rap, I think he's going to have a hard time shaking that one off. 

I'm trying to think of where I read this and I think it must have been a newspaper story in England.  In January of '07 he said would be willing to return to Arsenal because he it's closer to home (France) than London.  A love of home is good, and most players would rather be at Arsenal than Bolton ;), but most players wouldn't put a shorter commute at the top of their publicly-stated priorities.

Quote from: ScotsFan on January 18, 2008, 09:29:11 AM
  I guess he has the perfect opportunity to prove that he's not the spoiled player most seem to think he is if indeed he accepts a more secondary role among all of the stars at Chelsea.

Yes, indeed.  I was thinking that before I got to that sentence in your post.   I've seen him make some beautiful moves, and he seems to get a warm welcome at Anfield, which suggests that he's still respected around the EPL.   I think he can still make a big contribution if he wants to.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2008, 05:02:23 PM

I guess I don't get that sentence.  You said he'd like to go to Arsenal because it's closer to home than London.  Isn't Arsenal in a northern suburb of London?  Maybe I'm reading that wrong.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 19, 2008, 05:48:02 PM
Oops.  Gee, why didn't you read what I meant instead of what I wrote?  ;)  My fingers were faster than my brain, something that happens all too frequently.

I meant he'd rather be at Arsenal than Bolton.  And yes, the new Emirates stadium is in north London--about five minutes out of King's Cross station along the train track on the route north to York, Newcastle, and Scotland.  It looks like an absolutely gorgeous facility.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2008, 10:09:32 PM

OK, just checking.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 21, 2008, 06:18:17 PM
Liverpool = the draw Kings.

Drew today with Aston Villas, thats #10 in 23 league games, on pace for 17.

Only team thats in their territory is Fulham with 9, and they're getting relegated.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 21, 2008, 07:59:05 PM
Things are indeed a mess in Liverpool--worse off the pitch than on, and on is bad enough.

Here's the latest from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7200492.stm

The new owners seem to have let down the team all around.  They are trying to refinance a loan to pay off another loan they took out to buy the team in the first place.  There was the public spat with Benitez when he wanted to buy another defender--and heaven knows they need defenders--and then letting it be known they'd talked with Klinsmann "in case Benitez left." 

An investment arm of the Dubai government is trying again to put together a buyout.  I was hopeful that Gillett and Hicks were in this for the long haul, but they're dragging down a side with a great history and a lot of pride. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 21, 2008, 10:04:22 PM
It is a horrible shame to see these tremendous clubs being hijacked by billionaires that have positively no concept of or concern for what these clubs mean to the supporters that follow them.


Birmingham signed Maruo Zarate on loan from the club he was playing for in Qatar.  I watched the kid play for Argentina in the U-20s in Canada last year.  He has extraordinary skills.

IMHO, he was better than the Barca starlet Gio Dos Santos.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2008, 04:15:27 PM

Spurs knocking Arsenal out of the Carling right now.  They're on a terrific run.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 23, 2008, 04:40:14 PM
I am simply refusing to acknolwedge that that Carling Cup match was played last night.......never happened.

Anyone else see that Eddie Johnson signed w/ Fulham FC.  Yet another American signing on w/ the Cottagers.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2008, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on January 23, 2008, 04:40:14 PM
Anyone else see that Eddie Johnson signed w/ Fulham FC.  Yet another American signing on w/ the Cottagers.


If only people in the US knew what Fulham was, they might have a solid marketing strategy.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 24, 2008, 09:29:42 AM
Unless Johnson can help Fulham string together some results, people in the US will really have a hard time knowing what Fulham is after they are relegated. :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 24, 2008, 11:08:29 AM
I've got to say that of all the elements of the game that have interested me in English Club football, the concept of relegation and promotion is among the highest on the list.


Just for purposes of spurring the conversation, I have to say that the spirit of the commentating, and the quality of the commentating are the two other elements not occuring on the pitch, that truly make English football a special game, IMHO
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 24, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
I've always liked how close the fans are to the fields in England, and of course how much more active they seem to be.

The TV camera angles also seem to be much closer to the action than in other leagues I've seen........and the announcing is of course in English, which makes it better for me. ;D

Don't the English announcers also use "oldschool" microphones, I think it gives the broadcasts an older flavor.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2008, 09:23:55 AM

Yeah, I can't wait to experience it some day.  I went to a Wizards match at Arrowhead last season.  It was fun, but the lower bowl was only about 2/3 full and there's just one section of crazy, dancing, singing, chanting fans called "the cauldron."  It's just tough to imagine a full stadium of such craziness.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 25, 2008, 10:16:39 AM
Okay, I'm giving a big talk this afternoon so I wasn't gonna post here until later but you got me hooked.

As I said after our trip to Anfield, the atmosphere is indeed fantastic.  We were not in the Kop--legendary fan section at the end of the stadium--but in the Main Stands.  Turned out our tickets were comps returned by the coach of the youth squad--it says right on the ticket where it came from!  We were fairly high up, but that was a good thing because you could see the entire pitch.

The crowd were enthusiastic but even the Kop didn't seem rowdy.  Where we were, surrounded by employees and youth squad families, was actually pretty sedate.  But everyone was into the match, applauding good play and even a nice save or two by the Fulham keeper.  And the instant something happened on the touchline--like Fernando Torres getting up to warm up--the entire stadium knew it. 

Interestingly, they do not sell beer inside the stadium--something I think would improve US professional sporting venues a lot.  There are plenty of places outside to drink up before and after.

I would expect that the atmosphere might get a lot more frenetic when some of the top rivals come in, like the blue side from right down the street, or that other red team from Manchester...if only my Reds could start WINNING some of those matches! :(

Now please stop being so interesting until at least tonight!  Have a good day, everyone.  :)


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2008, 12:40:15 PM
Okay, the talk is over.  It went really well--fooled 'em again....;)

Wow, how 'bout them Blue Square Premier guys?  I'd like to say Liverpool showed mercy on Havant and Waterlooville for the first half, but it sounds like the H&W side played tremendously.  Interesting that this seems to have been the only FA match not televised (just like the first tie with Luton).  It sounds like the atmosphere at Anfield was great, with the H&W fans standing and singing "You'll Never Walk Alone" with the home fans, and then singing "Que Sera, Sera...We're going to Wem-ber-ley..."  (Okay, so they're not poets).  But who could blame them?  Lucas Leiva's first English goal, a hat trick from Yossi Benayoun, and a last-minute goal from Peter Crouch gave the Reds a deceptively wide margin. 

The FA cup reminds me of high school basketball before it was divided into classes:  most of the time the big fish win, occasionally a minnow comes through, and you get all sorts of great efforts like this.  But thats another topic...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 26, 2008, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2008, 12:40:15 PM
The FA cup reminds me of high school basketball before it was divided into classes:  most of the time the big fish win, occasionally a minnow comes through, and you get all sorts of great efforts like this.  But thats another topic...

This is not the board to discuss the great blunder of the IHSAA ;D, but I agree that that is the sense you get from watching those matches.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 27, 2008, 05:21:04 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2008, 12:40:15 PM
The FA cup reminds me of high school basketball before it was divided into classes:  most of the time the big fish win, occasionally a minnow comes through, and you get all sorts of great efforts like this.  But thats another topic...

The irony here is that with the FA Cup now down to 16 teams, there are only 6 Premier league teams remaining.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 28, 2008, 07:03:32 PM
After the draw today......

FA Cup Fifth round fixtures:

Bristol Rovers v Southampton
Cardiff City v Wolves
Sheffield United v Middlesbrough
Liverpool v Barnsley
Manchester United v Arsenal
Preston v Portsmouth
Coventry City v West Brom
Chelsea v Huddersfield Town



Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 29, 2008, 08:07:56 AM
H.T.,

My favorite Reds player, Momo Sissoko, has been transferred to Juve! :'(
A shame, really, I thought that he added a real quality to the midfield. 

At least FSC carries Serie A matches.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2008, 08:55:40 AM

Mellberg is heading there this summer as well.  He's been the backbone of my fantasy squad for three seasons now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 29, 2008, 01:25:45 PM
Re:  Sissoko--I'm sorry in a way, but it has been coming for a long time.  I've always liked him too.  But according to the stories, the transfer will help them finalize a deal for Javier Mascherano, who's definitely become a fixture in the midfield.  The only knock on Sissoko I've heard is that he roams a lot (as does Steven Gerrard), without the scoring.  I think it was Xabi Alonso who said that it could sometimes get a little confusing when both Sissoko and Stevie G were in.  At any rate, Momo's not been playing, and it's certainly better for a young player to be in the lineup!  I wish him well at Juventus.

About Man U v. Arsenal--another big one soon to bite the dust!  Not too many really little teams left now--all but one of the non-Premier sides are Championship League, with Huddersfield the only League One side left.  It's interesting that the Championship sides are from the top and bottom of the table of that league.  West Brom and Bristol (along with Watford, sigh) are in line for promotion as things stand now, while Preston looks likely to be relegated to League One.

And I note that Havant and Waterlooville's Alfie Potter is one of four nominated for "Man of the Round" for the fourth round.  Let's hear it for the pipefitters and dustmen!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2008, 06:06:21 PM
Aaagh....West Ham 1 - Liverpool 0.  It's a fight for the Reds to qualify for Europe next year now.   :-[     

Maybe Sissoko's fans have cursed the team.  No, actually this has been coming for a long time.  I dunno.  Thank heavens there's basketball for a few more weeks!


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 30, 2008, 10:21:19 PM
Fear not, HT
Pitchers and catchers report in two weeks. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 31, 2008, 12:03:48 AM
And six weeks until the first Formula One race!  Oh, we don't have d3F1.com, do we?  Rats--OT again.

Latest news:  fans worldwide to try to buy out Liverpool.  Anyone got £5,000 ($10,000) to throw at this?  I think we'd better not tell 'em we're Americans though...Gillett and Hicks are not the most popular guys in town right now. :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7217238.stm
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2008, 09:35:16 AM

Did they not check into the way Hicks ran the Rangers?  Spend too much on zero results; not the way to run a world class club.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on January 31, 2008, 10:04:29 AM
Well, it looks as if the transfer window is going to close quietly in the Premiership.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 31, 2008, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2008, 09:35:16 AM

Did they not check into the way Hicks ran the Rangers?  Spend too much on zero results; not the way to run a world class club.

Good question.  I haven't been following Major League Baseball, but that information was certainly easy to find.  I feel guilty--we watched the Liverpool-Portsmouth match in a pub in Cambridge last September.  All the fans there wanted to know about the new owners and if they are reliable.  In a way I'm glad I didn't know. 

Jermain Defoe to Portsmouth at the last minute was the biggest transfer I saw--pretty quiet. 

Any thoughts about the recently-announced England side?  Here's a link to a story with the full roster.  Notable omissions:  David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Paul Robinson, and John Terry (due to injury).  New faces:  Curtis Davies (West Brom on loan at Aston Villa), Chris Kirkland (Wigan), and Gabriel Agbonlahor (also Aston Villa).  Capello says he's willing to look at Beckham again when he's playing regularly here again.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 01, 2008, 12:42:53 PM
I like the idea of giving some new blood a chance.  It might be nice to see some fresh faces on the English side.  Looks like Capello might be trying to prove a point early that spots will have to be earned and not just by name and reputation... 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 02, 2008, 04:38:28 PM
I like that idea too.  Another loss to the English side today--Emile Heskey is out with an injury.  There is definitely room for the new additions to make their place.  Some young players--Aaron Lennon and Theo Wolcott in particular--are playing U21 but could get called up to the senior squad.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 02, 2008, 04:49:14 PM
Liverpool got their first home win in the EPL since December 22 against Sunderland today, 3-0.  The first half was, even in the Liverpool FC writeup, "totally awful."  The Reds came out with more fire after the break.  Benitez started a strange defense:  Hyypia and Skrtel at center back, Fabio Aurelio at left back, and Jamie Carrigher at right back.  Carra got the scoring started with a beautiful pass into the box from the right wing; Peter Crouch put it home low and to the keeper's right.  Then Crouch hit Fernando Torres, who outran two defenders to score easily.  The last goal was a penalty taken by Steven Gerrard after Jermaine Pennant (who had a great game) was brought down in the box.  The score was probably more lopsided than Sunderland deserved for their defensive effort.

Sunderland protested two calls by official Rob Stiles.  I think they had a point on the first one; it was a shot which went into Carrigher's armpit for a call of "handball."  I think it was inadvertent--he was making a sliding tackle and it would have been an unnatural movement to haul the arm in--but the ball did deflect off his arm.

That was the only match I was able to see today.  Time to head to Shirk for two big basketball games--women, then men--with Carthage.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on February 02, 2008, 08:03:02 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 31, 2008, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2008, 09:35:16 AM

Did they not check into the way Hicks ran the Rangers?  Spend too much on zero results; not the way to run a world class club.

Good question.  I haven't been following Major League Baseball, but that information was certainly easy to find.  I feel guilty--we watched the Liverpool-Portsmouth match in a pub in Cambridge last September.  All the fans there wanted to know about the new owners and if they are reliable.  In a way I'm glad I didn't know. 

Jermain Defoe to Portsmouth at the last minute was the biggest transfer I saw--pretty quiet. 

Any thoughts about the recently-announced England side?  Here's a link to a story with the full roster.  Notable omissions:  David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Paul Robinson, and John Terry (due to injury).  New faces:  Curtis Davies (West Brom on loan at Aston Villa), Chris Kirkland (Wigan), and Gabriel Agbonlahor (also Aston Villa).  Capello says he's willing to look at Beckham again when he's playing regularly here again.

Agbonlahor is a powderkeg that's waited long enough. Everything Theo Walcott was supposed to be but hasn't gotten the chance to prove yet.

It's about someone made the golden generation (that has produced no gold) earn their spots.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 03, 2008, 12:20:35 PM
Michael Owen scored what was apparently a great goal for Newcastle, although that was not to be the only scoring in the match with Middlesbrough.  The BBC runs a live commentary board, with people texting and emailing in comments.  Today, as fans of the two sides were trading barbs, came this one:  "Watching Newcastle and Boro fans attempt to score points off each other is truly just like watching two bald men fight over a comb." :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 05, 2008, 11:32:43 PM
I can't wait until Wednesday night when the boys in Red, white and blue take on "El Tri" for a friendly (yet all out competitive) game against the boys from down south.  It should be fun to see what improvements Coach bradley and co. will bring this team around.

As for El Tri, i hope that Coach Sanchez's game plan to using more young players then vets doesn't back fire on him.

It should be a fun game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 06, 2008, 09:34:58 AM
Browneagle,

Thanks for that reminder.  I almost forgot about that friendly.  This would be a nice win for the US.  I'm going to go set up my DVR now...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 06, 2008, 10:28:04 AM
I, too, am glad you mentioned the US-Mexico, Browneagle.  Since I follow the EPL primarily (and no US players are on the Liverpool side), I keep seeing good US players on the other side.  I am glad to get to be FOR them. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on February 06, 2008, 10:38:44 AM
The thing that has always suprised me about the Americans in the EPL, is the significant number of #1 keepers we have in the League:
Keller
Friedel
Howard
Hahneman
W/ Brad Guzan looking to head to Villa in the summer.
Pretty impressive list, IMHO.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 07, 2008, 12:05:29 AM
As expected, the friendly game between Team USA and "El tri" sure did turn out be a battle. Both teams came out with a lot of young talented players who kept this game close. In fact, coach Sanchez decision to use young players since the past few months turned out to be a great plan. As for coach bradley, taking the same approach as coach Sanchez took turned out to be the best for team USA. Overall, the boys need to work more on defense. Team US 2- El Tri 2
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 07, 2008, 09:16:47 AM
There were obviously some good things, and not so good things in the US/Mexico game last night. One, I thougtht Altidore showed that he is going to be the striker of the future for the US. Although he didn't get many touches, he looked very aggressive and obviously, had a great finish.

In the Midfield, Convey was non existent.  Not a big fan. Bradley and Clark were okay, though very defensive. They didn't get any attacking done from their positions.

Defensively I thought Gooch and Boca were solid, but Drew Moor was awful. How do you let the same guy beat you so badly?  Although he played the perfect cross to Jozy, he was still the goat of the match. Though his co hort on the left side, Coralles played awful as well.

All in all, an intense game and an average result. It's too bad Dempsey's goal was called back. That was a beauty.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 07, 2008, 09:53:38 AM
Pretty spot on with that overview of the match Stinger.  I was thinking the same thing about Moor last night.  His defensive lapses led to both goals and they just happened to be goals 1 and 2 internationally for that guy as well?!  But at the same time, he played in that beautiful delivery to Altidore for our 2nd goal.  He obviously needs to work on defending set pieces though... ::)

Quote from: Stinger on February 07, 2008, 09:16:47 AM
Bradley and Clark were okay, though very defensive. They didn't get any attacking done from their positions.

This is something I don't understand.  The commentators mentioned that Bradley had a goal in 6 straight matches over in the Dutch League.  But it was like he wasn't given any chances to attack last night. 

Overall, a pretty good result for the US.  I like what I saw from Altidore and to think this kid is just 18! 8)  It was nice to see Freddy get some minutes as well.  Don't forget, those 2 were playing in the U20 World Cup just last summer!  The future looks bright for the Americans.  I was impressed by the play of Clint as well.  I think his time in the Premier League is paying dividends!  It was a shame they waved off that goal because it was a thing of beauty! 

And at least the unbeaten streak continues on US soil against 'El Tri'!!!  8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2008, 07:45:40 PM

Defensive struggle is to be expected.  They didn't call up all of the best defenders for this match.  Most every great defender the US has is playing in Europe and, especially for the younger ones, the inter-continental travel does more harm to their play than it does good for the squad.  Glad to see the US doing well.

The team is really coming together well for the next Cup; a lot of these guys will be in prime form and age.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 10, 2008, 04:57:36 PM
Liverpool 0 Chelsea 0

what a surprise.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2008, 05:42:18 PM
Hey, that feels like a victory for Liverpool, with Torres injured.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 11, 2008, 09:01:14 AM
Arsenal has a golden opportunity to create some major breathing room in their match today with Blackburn at the Emirates.  With ManU suffering the sweep of the Manchester Derby by City and Chelsea's draw at home to Liverpool, a win by the Gunners could move them 5 points clear of ManU in 2nd and 8 points clear of 3rd place Chelsea! :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2008, 11:34:51 AM

The way the Gunners have been playing, this should be no problem.  They've been absolutely outstanding this season. Truly the example of how to succeed as a Premiership club without breaking the bank.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 12, 2008, 02:26:29 AM
A little football laughter....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vt4X7zFfv4k&feature=related
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on February 12, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 11, 2008, 11:34:51 AM

The way the Gunners have been playing, this should be no problem.  They've been absolutely outstanding this season. Truly the example of how to succeed as a Premiership club without breaking the bank.

At the end of March they have the following:
A - Chelsea
A - Bolton
H - Liverpool
A - Manchester United
There are some Cup ties in there as well that I have not noted.
That run of games will decide the league.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2008, 09:35:07 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on February 12, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 11, 2008, 11:34:51 AM

The way the Gunners have been playing, this should be no problem.  They've been absolutely outstanding this season. Truly the example of how to succeed as a Premiership club without breaking the bank.

At the end of March they have the following:
A - Chelsea
A - Bolton
H - Liverpool
A - Manchester United
There are some Cup ties in there as well that I have not noted.
That run of games will decide the league.

I just meant yesterday's tie should be easy.  That is quite the end to the season for them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on February 12, 2008, 10:23:58 PM
My apologies.  I did not notice the time stamp on your post.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 16, 2008, 12:45:57 PM
It just got worse

Barnsley 2 Liverpool 1 in the FA Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2008, 03:11:37 PM
Quote from: sac on February 16, 2008, 12:45:57 PM
It just got worse

Barnsley 2 Liverpool 1 in the FA Cup.

They need to focus on the Premiership.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on February 18, 2008, 02:09:31 PM
Man U 4
Arsenal 0

Even with a depleted side, even against Man U, even at Old Trafford, that was an embarassing result! :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 18, 2008, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on February 18, 2008, 02:09:31 PM
Man U 4
Arsenal 0

Even with a depleted side, even against Man U, even at Old Trafford, that was an embarassing result! :o

Okay, I'll say it before someone else does:  It could be worse--you could be supporting Liverpool! :'(  ???

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 18, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
The FA Cup draw

Sheffield United or Middlesbrough v Cardiff City

Manchester United v Portsmouth

Bristol Rovers v West Brom

Barnsley v Chelsea

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2008, 05:15:05 PM
Quote from: sac on February 18, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
The FA Cup draw

Sheffield United or Middlesbrough v Cardiff City

Manchester United v Portsmouth

Bristol Rovers v West Brom

Barnsley v Chelsea



And thus ends the glorious Barnsley run.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2008, 06:42:17 PM

UCL Action today:

Chelsea in a 0-0 draw, Liverpool pulls a big one out and Real goes down.  This is a strange year all around for the big clubs.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 19, 2008, 11:42:42 PM
It was great to see the worlds most famous recipiant of a head butt today, I don't think I'd seen Marco Materazzi since the World Cup.  Also nice to see him get 2 yellows and sent off for doing basically nothing.

This was about his reaction today
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.soccerfairy.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2006%2F07%2FMarco_Materazzi2.jpg&hash=538c86898a57d4b0f1a226c6fcb379e7782a3199)

Took Liverpool forever to score, but they were dominating the match even before the red card to Materazzi.  Inter seemed happy to play for a draw even before going a man down.

I swear I saw Kuyt ask an Inter player for his uniform after the game, and the Inter player pointed to the referee........as if to say "you should take his".

Whats up with Materazzi being the only Italian on the field for an Italian team.  Thats just not right.

At least todays Liverpool win makes the return trip to Milan interesting now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 25, 2008, 05:04:03 AM
Congrats to the Spurs in their triumph over Chelsea for the Carling Cup. Juende Ramos led teams are now an amazing 5-0 in Cup finals.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 05, 2008, 04:25:51 PM
Hey Folks,

Here's some info on the M.N.T schedule for the spring. As many of you may be aware, these friendly games are indeed needed for Coach Bradley's team in order to get ready for the World Cup qualifications. So far, scheduling a good team such as 4th ranked Spain sure will tell us how the boys will do this summer.

The U.S. Men's National Team will play a pair of friendlies in Europe this spring, traveling to face Poland and Spain in preparation for the start of 2010 FIFA World Cup qualifying. The United States will first meet Poland on March 26 in Krakow, the match falling on the final international fixture date before the start of qualifying. On June 4, the U.S. travels to face fourth-ranked Spain just six days before the Spaniards open group play in the 2008 European Championship against Russia.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2008, 05:47:26 PM

Real got knocked out of the Champs League today.  It's going to be a strange final 8.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2008, 09:43:34 PM
I think the holders going out is more surprising.  They've never lost to a English team at home.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2008, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 05, 2008, 09:43:34 PM
I think the holders going out is more surprising.  They've never lost to a English team at home.

I didn't think Arsenal had a chance in Milan.  They really must be a team of destiny this year.  Any of you read Bill Simmons on ESPN?  Arsenal potentially winning the Premiership and Champs League in the season after Henry's career year and flight to Spain just might qualify as a huge Ewing Theory moment.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on March 06, 2008, 10:48:10 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2008, 05:47:26 PM

Real got knocked out of the Champs League today.  It's going to be a strange final 8.

Frickin Real. 4th straight dismissal in the first knockout stage

Quote from: Browneagle64 on March 05, 2008, 04:25:51 PM
. On June 4, the U.S. travels to face fourth-ranked Spain just six days before the Spaniards open group play in the 2008 European Championship against Russia.

Really looking forward to this one.  Can you imagine Gooch and Bocanegra trying to deal with Torres and Villa.  I'd love to hop a flight for that one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 06, 2008, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: Stinger on March 06, 2008, 10:48:10 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2008, 05:47:26 PM

Real got knocked out of the Champs League today.  It's going to be a strange final 8.

Frickin Real. 4th straight dismissal in the first knockout stage

Quote from: Browneagle64 on March 05, 2008, 04:25:51 PM
. On June 4, the U.S. travels to face fourth-ranked Spain just six days before the Spaniards open group play in the 2008 European Championship against Russia.

Really looking forward to this one.  Can you imagine Gooch and Bocanegra trying to deal with Torres and Villa.  I'd love to hop a flight for that one.

OOOO.... that will be a good challenge that i am sure coach bradley and co. will prepare both players for. Boca will definately be ready as he has had experience in the past playing against good players like Torres. However, young Gooch will need to be ready to take on a big impact player like Villa. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 06, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
Speaking of Torres--he was in superb form, scoring a hat trick, as Liverpool made up their game in hand against West Ham.  A Gerrard thunderbolt completed the 4-0 score.  They extended their lead (in goal differential) over Everton to remain in fourth in the EPL.  Although they began the season with higher hopes, protecting fourth place has to be the main concern now.  The good news is that Rafa is tinkering with the lineup a lot less these days.

Points to the Hammers' fans for humor--at one point they were chanting "USA!  USA!"  I hope the Anfield supporters found it funny--and I hope they find a way to dump Hicks.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on March 06, 2008, 02:05:05 PM
Second hat-trick in about 10 days I think.  The kid is good.  Any of you follow the ESPN Soccernet gamecast during the CL game over the past couple of days. The guys that type the game cast are very funny. An excerpt from yesterdays Real/Roma game:

"Totti's hold up play has been decent tonight, but he's had several sights of goal and has done precious little with them. I'm disappointed in him and might text him later to say so."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2008, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: Stinger on March 06, 2008, 02:05:05 PM
"Totti's hold up play has been decent tonight, but he's had several sights of goal and has done precious little with them. I'm disappointed in him and might text him later to say so."

Yeah, the text guys on Soccernet are better than most comedians I've seen in the past five years.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 08, 2008, 02:30:13 PM
FA Cup Finals from Saturday

Portsmouth 1 ManUtd 0

Barnsley 1 Chelsea 0

:o

One of these clubs is going to lift the FA Cup
Barnsley, Portsmouth, Bristol Rovers, West Brom, Middlesbrough or Cardiff.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2008, 02:47:31 PM
Quote from: sac on March 08, 2008, 02:30:13 PM
One of these clubs is going to lift the FA Cup
Barnsley, Portsmouth, Bristol Rovers, West Brom, Middlesbrough or Cardiff.

Yeah, I think there was just too much for these injury depleted line-ups to deal with.  They had a ton of Premiership, Champs League, and FA matches in a very short span.  Both Chelsea and ManU have two premiership matches this upcoming week.  Rough.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 08, 2008, 03:29:52 PM
Fantastic defending by Barnsley today.  I only saw the last 20 minutes or so, but it was thrilling stuff.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on March 10, 2008, 08:40:26 AM
The FA matches were thrilling to watch.

Thoroughly enjoyed the effort of the Barnsley Bulldogs.

Watched the entirety of the Bristol City West Brom match.

The Rovers put up a tremendous challenge in the first half, but did not have the stamina to keep up with West Brom for the full ninety.

Still and all, a tremendous match.

The nature of those matches is something special that we will never be able to capture here in American professional sports, which is truly a shame.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 10, 2008, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: sac on March 08, 2008, 02:30:13 PM
One of these clubs is going to lift the FA Cup
Barnsley, Portsmouth, Bristol Rovers, West Brom, Middlesbrough or Cardiff.

One of those four may be in the UEFA Cup as well, although the FA has a bad habit of changing the rules sometimes.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 10, 2008, 07:01:07 PM
Cardiff vs Barnsley.........West Brom vs Portsmouth
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 11, 2008, 05:59:14 PM
Liverpool move on, 4 English clubs in the quarters.

Torres with a beauty to seal the Inter match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 11, 2008, 07:23:25 PM

Did you hear the FA is not going to let Cardiff go to the UEFA Cup if they win the FA Cup?  Apparently the English don't want one of their spots going to a Welsh squad.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 11, 2008, 09:11:16 PM
Quote from: sac on March 10, 2008, 01:45:32 PM
One of those four may be in the UEFA Cup as well, although the FA has a bad habit of changing the rules sometimes.

I think Birmingham a couple of years ago was in a similar situation with the FA when they were in the League Cup Final as a Championship club.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 11, 2008, 10:27:38 PM

I was referring to UEFA's recent penchant for making things right in their tournaments, like giving Liverpool a spot in the Champs League as holders when they didn't earn it and the FA wouldn't budge.

If Cardiff wins (and that's a big if in my mind), I'm hopeful UEFA will find a place for them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2008, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 11, 2008, 07:23:25 PM

Did you hear the FA is not going to let Cardiff go to the UEFA Cup if they win the FA Cup?  Apparently the English don't want one of their spots going to a Welsh squad.


I wouldn't think the FA would have anything in it. It's UEFA's tournament, if they want to invite Cardiff, they can.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 12, 2008, 10:12:26 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 12, 2008, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 11, 2008, 07:23:25 PM

Did you hear the FA is not going to let Cardiff go to the UEFA Cup if they win the FA Cup?  Apparently the English don't want one of their spots going to a Welsh squad.


I wouldn't think the FA would have anything in it. It's UEFA's tournament, if they want to invite Cardiff, they can.

The FA decides who represents them, but UEFA can create extra spots if they want to do so.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2008, 12:57:04 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 12, 2008, 10:12:26 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 12, 2008, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 11, 2008, 07:23:25 PM

Did you hear the FA is not going to let Cardiff go to the UEFA Cup if they win the FA Cup?  Apparently the English don't want one of their spots going to a Welsh squad.


I wouldn't think the FA would have anything in it. It's UEFA's tournament, if they want to invite Cardiff, they can.

The FA decides who represents them, but UEFA can create extra spots if they want to do so.

And that's what they've done before and what they'll probably do again.

The FA is a corrupt POS though. West Ham should have been relegated and fined about a bazillion dollars. Hard for me to complain that much though since it brought Mascherano to Liverpool, who I think is going to be a terrific defensive mid.

Liverpool needs some speed on the wing and a few defenders to replace some of their older guys. And bringing kun Aguero up from Spain to join fellow Argentine Mascherano would be nice too! :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 18, 2008, 11:10:45 AM
Don't look now, but ManU is back at the top of the Tables in the Premiership.  They have the edge on Arsenal based on goal differential.  The Red Devils should claim the outright lead tomorrow as they host Bolton.   And look who's still hanging around.  Good 'ol Chelsea.  And I guess you can't count out Liverpool just yet, but I have to believe that the Reds have put their focus on winning the CL ahead of the Premiership for now.

IMO, I think this is going to indeed end up being a 2 horse race.  It's going to be ManU and Chelsea once again.  Arsenal were fortunate to escape with a win last week.  The Gunners haven't won 3 points in a match since back on the 11th of February in a 2-0 win over Blackburn.  Since then, they have drawn with Birmingham, Aston Villa, Wigan and Middlesbrough.  These lack of results are why Liverpool find themselves 8 points out and why Arsenal will soon be passed by ManU.  They are just not the same team without Eduardo.  And seeing the gauntlet that the Gunners will be facing over the next couple of weeks starting this weekend at Chelsea, I will be shocked if Arsenal is still 1st or 2nd by April 13th.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 18, 2008, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 18, 2008, 11:10:45 AM
Don't look now, but ManU is back at the top of the Tables in the Premiership.  They have the edge on Arsenal based on goal differential.  The Red Devils should claim the outright lead tomorrow as they host Bolton.   And look who's still hanging around.  Good 'ol Chelsea.  And I guess you can't count out Liverpool just yet, but I have to believe that the Reds have put their focus on winning the CL ahead of the Premiership for now.

IMO, I think this is going to indeed end up being a 2 horse race.  It's going to be ManU and Chelsea once again.  Arsenal were fortunate to escape with a win last week.  The Gunners haven't won 3 points in a match since back on the 11th of February in a 2-0 win over Blackburn.  Since then, they have drawn with Birmingham, Aston Villa, Wigan and Middlesbrough.  These lack of results are why Liverpool find themselves 8 points out and why Arsenal will soon be passed by ManU.  They are just not the same team without Eduardo.  And seeing the gauntlet that the Gunners will be facing over the next couple of weeks starting this weekend at Chelsea, I will be shocked if Arsenal is still 1st or 2nd by April 13th.


Liverpool has an opportunity to get back in contention, playing at Man U and at Arsenal coming up. If they can somehow get 6 points out of that and go into April only down 6 or so I think they've got a shot. They're playing as well as anyone right now.

Arsenal and Liverpool will play 3 times in 6 days counting the Champions League! And I'm going to be away from a TV! Cruel.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 18, 2008, 04:38:40 PM
It's true that Liverpool are looking the best they've looked all season.  In part that's probably due to Rafa's letting up on the rotation of players.  I also like the new formation with Torres out in front of Babel, Gerrard, and Kuyt--sort of a 1-3-2-4.  And it was great to see Javier Mascherano's work ethic rewarded with his first EPL goal on Saturday.

The club have finally announced that Daniel Agger will not be back this season--he needs surgery on his foot--something many had long suspected.  The acquisition of Martin Skrtel seems to have been a help on defense.

They just have to focus on winning as much as they can, with Man U, the Merseyside derby, and then Arsenal coming up.  They managed to put a little space between themselves and Everton last weekend.  At this point, if they can stay in the top four and move up in the EPL standings that would be great. It's less than I hoped for at the beginning of the season but far better than I feared a month or two ago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 18, 2008, 10:48:21 PM
I heard on Fox Soccer Channel that there is a Russian Premier league team that is located 4000 miles away from Moscow, where 6 teams call home.  Talking about a road trip.  They said it's the equivalent of a trip from Chicago to London!  And the Chargers complain about a trip from SD to NY! lol

Man Utd is level on points with Arsenal with a game in hand and a better goal differential.

As well as Liverpool has played lately, I don't see them catching the league leaders, Man. Utd.  Remember that both the Red Devils and Blues have a game in hand.  I don't see them taking 6 points at Old Trafford and the Emirates Stadium.

I have to find a TV with Fox Soccer Channel this weekend for Arsenal v Chelsea.  I'm really not sure what team I hate more, so I have to hope that both drop two points.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 19, 2008, 09:35:44 AM
Arsenal v Liverpool 3 times in 7 days.  :-\

That middle game is going to have some tough squad selections.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 19, 2008, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 18, 2008, 10:48:21 PM
As well as Liverpool has played lately, I don't see them catching the league leaders, Man. Utd.  Remember that both the Red Devils and Blues have a game in hand.  I don't see them taking 6 points at Old Trafford and the Emirates Stadium.
This is how I feel.  It's basically too little too late for the Reds IMO.  Rafa's got his squad playing well and I think it definitely is linked to his letting up on the rotation, but that is probably something he should have done long ago unless his goal was the Champs League all along.  I'm not saying it can't be done, but picking up 6 points at OT and at the Emirates is a tall order no matter what form you're in.

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 18, 2008, 10:48:21 PM
I have to find a TV with Fox Soccer Channel this weekend for Arsenal v Chelsea.  I'm really not sure what team I hate more, so I have to hope that both drop two points.
I've mentioned before that I liken Chelsea and Arsenal to the Yankees and the Red Sox.  Being an Indians fan, I really despise both the Yankees and the Red Sox.  But the Yankees are by far my most hated team out there.  There was nothing more enjoyable than watching the Indians and their paltry $70 million payroll knocking mighty George and his Yankees with their $200+ million payroll out of the playoffs! ;D  And that about sums up how I feel about Clelsea.  While I have a strong dislike for both Chelsea and Arsenal, I would far rather see Chelsea stumble.  With that said, the ideal result would be a draw with both teams dropping 2 points!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 19, 2008, 10:49:14 AM
I hope people are not misinterpreting what I said--I also think it is way too late for Liverpool.  I don't really think winning the EPL is the goal at this point.  And that's a shame, because I think they're showing now that they could have made a run.  But anytime a team is behind, all they can do is win and hope the others lose.  Catching Chelsea might not be out of the question, but all three are not going to fold.  For next season and beyond, Liverpool have to start winning EPL matches with the other Big Three.  For some reason, Champions League victories seem achievable for Liverpool, while beating the same sides in the EPL is almost impossible.

With regard to who I despise more--I like several Chelsea players, but as a team their constant whinging, crying, and even attempting to intimidate officials gets on my nerves--a lot.  They've been disciplined for this more than once, and rightly so.  They're capable of winning matches on talent.  In Liverpool it's Man U who are the most despised.  So for me Arsenal is the least of the three "evils."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 19, 2008, 11:07:46 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 19, 2008, 09:47:26 AM
I've mentioned before that I liken Chelsea and Arsenal to the Yankees and the Red Sox.


Isn't it more like Chelsea and ManU are the Sox and Yankees.  Arsenal doesn't recklessly spend money on their squad; they win with smarts.  Perhaps they are the A's?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 19, 2008, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 19, 2008, 11:07:46 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 19, 2008, 09:47:26 AM
I've mentioned before that I liken Chelsea and Arsenal to the Yankees and the Red Sox.


Isn't it more like Chelsea and ManU are the Sox and Yankees.  Arsenal doesn't recklessly spend money on their squad; they win with smarts.  Perhaps they are the A's?

Except Arsenal actually wins. Arsenal is more like the Lakers...they always seem to make the move they need to make to stay among the top clubs.

Liverpool is like the Celtics...used to be the best by far, then had a long stretch where they weren't, now looking to be back on the upswing again.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 19, 2008, 01:34:21 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 18, 2008, 04:38:40 PM
It's true that Liverpool are looking the best they've looked all season.  In part that's probably due to Rafa's letting up on the rotation of players.  I also like the new formation with Torres out in front of Babel, Gerrard, and Kuyt--sort of a 1-3-2-4.  And it was great to see Javier Mascherano's work ethic rewarded with his first EPL goal on Saturday.

The club have finally announced that Daniel Agger will not be back this season--he needs surgery on his foot--something many had long suspected.  The acquisition of Martin Skrtel seems to have been a help on defense.

They just have to focus on winning as much as they can, with Man U, the Merseyside derby, and then Arsenal coming up.  They managed to put a little space between themselves and Everton last weekend.  At this point, if they can stay in the top four and move up in the EPL standings that would be great. It's less than I hoped for at the beginning of the season but far better than I feared a month or two ago.

It's no secret, they need to improve on the wings, both in midfield and at the back. Several players need to go.

Atletico are rumored to be interested in Alonso and Reina. As good as they are, I'd be inclined to let them go if I could get Aguero and cash in return. Carson IMO is ready to play goal for Liverpool, Aguero would be a great threat as an attacking winger, and you could use the money (I'm guessing it would be 5M or more) toward signing someone like Aaron Lennon to man the other side. If they sign M'bia or someone similar, they can afford to let Alonso go.

Rafa wants Rafinha but Schalke are balking. They may just be trying to play for a bigger fee though, or maybe a swap for Kuyt.

Not as up on who the best young wingbacks are...Amorebiota of Bilbao is rumored to be a target. Obviously there will be a lot more chatter after the season.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2008, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 19, 2008, 10:49:14 AM
I hope people are not misinterpreting what I said--

I don't think I was.  I was just making MY opinion known! lol...

As for hatred.  I think I hated Arsenal because they were the main rivals to Man. Utd. prior to Chelsea going on a spending spree and buying up everyone and their mother.  I disliked, but respected, Jose Moreno, but didn't really like or respect Wenger.  So, when looking at Chelsea, they have players I like, Joe Cole, Lampard etc and Arsenal has a few that I don't mind.  But, Chelsea over spends...interestingly, I'm saying this as a Man. Utd. fan! lol...as for Arsenal, I think I don't like them as much because they have a hard time fielding any English players.  I'm not English, but for some reason that just bothers me.  They have developed some good players, but more often than not, they just go out and buy foreign players, kind of like Liverpool.  As a Red Devil fan, by level of hatred, it's Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool, and I don't even "hate" the latter.

I think part of the reason I admire Man. Utd. is because of their youth system and the players they've brought up.  The first time I saw the EPL  on Sports Channel America was before it was even called that, back in the late 80s, very early 90s.  I saw Giggs play and it was awesome!  So, I liked them since then, not just since they've been "good".  In fact, I think Man. City placed higher than they did the year I first saw the English Soccer League...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2008, 06:14:01 PM
Man Utd won 2-0 over Bolton, while Tottenham Hotspur tied Chelsea in a thriller, 4-4...not shown on FSC! lol...

So, I guess I wouldn't mind Chelsea taking all three points from Arsenal now that they've dropped two points today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 19, 2008, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 19, 2008, 06:14:01 PM
while Tottenham Hotspur tied Chelsea in a thriller, 4-4...not shown on FSC! lol...
Joe Cole scored his 2nd goal of the match in the 80th minute to put Chelsea up 4-3 and that should have been game, set and match.  But, in almost a duplicate of match with Aston Villa earlier this season, the Blues give up a late goal and had to settle for a draw.  This time it was Keane in the 88th minute to spoil Chelsea's party!  Earlier in the year the Blues gave up a PK to Villa in stoppage time as they squandered yet another 4-3 lead late.  Can't say I wasn't pleased to see that result as I feel that the Blues are a bigger threat to ManU in their quest to repeat.

I also have a question for the few who frequent this board.  Who on here isn't pulling for the Americans and Fulham to escape relagation?  They took a huge step with a win last weekend over Everton at the Cottage and now they face Newcastle which will be shown on FSC on Saturday.  If they could get another 3 points and Bolton could continue their struggles, Fulham could leap them and get closer to escaping the bottom 3.  Here's hoping Roy's Army keeps battling to the end!  Go Whites!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 19, 2008, 07:27:49 PM
Luke warm on Fulham, Feyed's had a long time to build the team he said he was going to, but they've made no progress in the last 3 or 4 seasons that I recall.

If they get relegated you might actually see the Americans play for clubs that have some ambition.  But if they escape, good for them and I hope the Americans play a big part in that.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 19, 2008, 07:33:47 PM
Good news for Fulham is they have matches with #15, #16, #17,  and #20, Reading, Birmingham, Sunderland and Derby.  They must get points from these games.

Bolton and Sunderland have much tougher finishes, so its doable for Fulham.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2008, 08:45:06 AM
I am pulling for the Americans on Fulham's side--it was nice to see the goal for McBride--but I also think some of them might get picked up by sides with a chance to go further if Fulham goes down.  It wasn't fun to see Clint Dempsey wasted in what was clearly an attempt (which failed) at a 0-0 draw when we went to Anfield.

A while back people were asking about who will qualify for the Champions League/Uefa Cup next year.  Here's what I found on the BBC--note that it is a week old so some things are out of date:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7292892.stm

It explains why, as things stand, Cardiff would not get one of the English spots in the Uefa Cup competition (basically, they're not English!).  There's another article describing talks the FA is holding on the subject:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/7294461.stm

Evidently when the Football Association of Wales formed the League of Wales in 1992, Cardiff, Swansea City, and Wrexham decided not to join, preferring to remain in English Football Leagues.  Uefa then decided they would not be allowed to compete in the FA cup of Wales, so they cannot qualify for Europe that way.  So, it looks like at the moment Cardiff is considered Welsh by the English FA and English by the Welsh FA and Uefa--crazy!  When the article was written, though, the English FA were reviewing their policy.  It seems unfair as it stands, and the Cardiff side plan to appeal should they win the FA Cup.

By the way, one of the written guidelines for qualification for the Champions League is this: "If a team wins the Champions League but finishes outside the top four, they will qualify for next season's Champions League, at the expense of the fourth-placed Premier League team."  That clearly applied to Liverpool after their 2005 victory. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2008, 09:04:35 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 19, 2008, 01:34:21 PM

Atletico are rumored to be interested in Alonso and Reina. As good as they are, I'd be inclined to let them go if I could get Aguero and cash in return. Carson IMO is ready to play goal for Liverpool,


Aagh...did you see Carson's performance against Portsmouth over the weekend?  He was culpable in both of Pompey's goals.  He came out much too far against Jermaine Defoe, and the other goal was a bizarre kick by Carson which hit Nigel Reo-Coker and then bounced back for an own goal.  I was willing to overlook Carson's performance against Croatia last fall when he was thrown in in place of Paul Robinson.  But selling Pepe Reina and playing Carson?  That would be suicide.

Thanks for letting me share.  :)

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: joepieters on March 20, 2008, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2008, 08:45:06 AM
I am pulling for the Americans on Fulham's side--it was nice to see the goal for McBride--but I also think some of them might get picked up by sides with a chance to go further if Fulham goes down.  It wasn't fun to see Clint Dempsey wasted in what was clearly an attempt (which failed) at a 0-0 draw when we went to Anfield.

It will be interesting to see what the Americans on Fulham decided to do if (and we are closing in quickly on when) Fulham is relegated.  I would suspect that Johnson & Dempsey will move to another top flight team in Europe - not sure about the others given their ages.  Perhaps they will come back to the MLS
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 20, 2008, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2008, 09:04:35 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 19, 2008, 01:34:21 PM

Atletico are rumored to be interested in Alonso and Reina. As good as they are, I'd be inclined to let them go if I could get Aguero and cash in return. Carson IMO is ready to play goal for Liverpool,


Aagh...did you see Carson's performance against Portsmouth over the weekend?  He was culpable in both of Pompey's goals.  He came out much too far against Jermaine Defoe, and the other goal was a bizarre kick by Carson which hit Nigel Reo-Coker and then bounced back for an own goal.  I was willing to overlook Carson's performance against Croatia last fall when he was thrown in in place of Paul Robinson.  But selling Pepe Reina and playing Carson?  That would be suicide.

Thanks for letting me share.  :)


Fair criticism.

Carson wouldn't be the only option, but he's been a starting Premier League keeper for two years.

I'd just like to see Liverpool field a team where if they're playing someone good, you don't feel like they have to have a clean sheet to win.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 20, 2008, 07:53:04 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 19, 2008, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 19, 2008, 10:49:14 AM
I hope people are not misinterpreting what I said--

I don't think I was.  I was just making MY opinion known! lol...

As for hatred.  I think I hated Arsenal because they were the main rivals to Man. Utd. prior to Chelsea going on a spending spree and buying up everyone and their mother.  I disliked, but respected, Jose Moreno, but didn't really like or respect Wenger.  So, when looking at Chelsea, they have players I like, Joe Cole, Lampard etc and Arsenal has a few that I don't mind.  But, Chelsea over spends...interestingly, I'm saying this as a Man. Utd. fan! lol...as for Arsenal, I think I don't like them as much because they have a hard time fielding any English players.  I'm not English, but for some reason that just bothers me.  They have developed some good players, but more often than not, they just go out and buy foreign players, kind of like Liverpool.  As a Red Devil fan, by level of hatred, it's Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool, and I don't even "hate" the latter.


Arsenal doesn't sign English players (for the most part) by design. Wenger feels the English young boys are overpriced and overrated, and in my opinion he's right.

I have no problem with signing English players, I have no problem with not. Most of Liverpool's best signings lately have not been from the UK or Ireland (Torres, Mascherano, Babel). I'd be thrilled if Liverpool signed Britain's Aaron Lennon for a reasonable fee.

But look at the England national team and tell me who Liverpool should sign that they have a shot at? Bridge? Lescott? Downing? Barry? Woodgate?

Downing isn't going anywhere, he's been asked before. Barry doesn't do anything Gerrard can't do better. Lescott, maybe. I think they made a run at Bridge last window. Woodgate? No, thanks.

From the U21s, Onuoha from Man City might be an option.
Daniel Sturridge obviously would be nice.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2008, 10:29:55 PM
The shortage of top quality English players is certainly a matter of deep concern in England.  There's currently a lot of soul-searching going on about what to do about it.  At present, the fans seem happy with the big clubs hiring foreign players as long as the football is good.  Most analysts seem to think it will take a commitment (read:  investment in) to building up youth programs across the country.

I took a quick look at the rosters of Man U and Liverpool.  Liverpool has 4 English players:  Gerrard, Carragher (both Scousers!), Pennant, and Crouch.  Among the top 22 or so, Man U has 8 Englishmen.  Is that a significant difference?  I'm fine with a good mix of international players, but the lack of depth is troubling when international matches come along.

Speaking of international matches, has everyone seen the news that the US will play England at Wembley on May 28?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 12:58:54 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2008, 10:29:55 PM
The shortage of top quality English players is certainly a matter of deep concern in England.  There's currently a lot of soul-searching going on about what to do about it.  At present, the fans seem happy with the big clubs hiring foreign players as long as the football is good.  Most analysts seem to think it will take a commitment (read:  investment in) to building up youth programs across the country.

I took a quick look at the rosters of Man U and Liverpool.  Liverpool has 4 English players:  Gerrard, Carragher (both Scousers!), Pennant, and Crouch.  Among the top 22 or so, Man U has 8 Englishmen.  Is that a significant difference?  I'm fine with a good mix of international players, but the lack of depth is troubling when international matches come along.

Speaking of international matches, has everyone seen the news that the US will play England at Wembley on May 28?

Man U is the more popular club in England (and pretty much everywhere) so I don't think it's a great surprise that they have more English. But I don't think Carrick for example is any better than Alonso or Mascherano.

It wouldn't bother me if Crouch got shipped out on transfer, especially if they were to use the money to buy a wide player.

One concerning thing is if you look at the U-xx teams in England, there are very few Liverpool players on them. But the top club is the major concern, so until they get squared away I've got no real problems with it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2008, 12:17:13 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 21, 2008, 12:58:54 AM
Man U is the more popular club in England (and pretty much everywhere) so I don't think it's a great surprise that they have more English.

I don't think this argument holds any weight.  In fact, being one of the more popular clubs in England (bigger and better), they'd have LESS English players considering they'd have the power and money to buy basically any foreign player they want, like Chelsea. 

I'm not talking just the present, but over the years, Man. Utd. has brought up a lot of very good English players.  The bottom line is that you want to buy the best players to make your team the best it can be.  The Red Devils just happen to buy English players and their youth system, in the past, have been loaded by English players...I don't think they purposely go out and bye English players, that's just how it happens and I think they should be proud of that, if that's on purpose or not.   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 22, 2008, 01:25:28 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 22, 2008, 12:17:13 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 21, 2008, 12:58:54 AM
Man U is the more popular club in England (and pretty much everywhere) so I don't think it's a great surprise that they have more English.

I don't think this argument holds any weight.  In fact, being one of the more popular clubs in England (bigger and better),

It goes like this. If Manchester United has first choice of most English players, even from other youth systems and clubs (Wayne Rooney for example), then the choice for teams like Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool is to either take the 2nd best domestically, or go out and find some of the best in other places. Or, put another way, who would you rather have: Craig Bellamy or Fernando Torres?

Man U is also the only one of the clubs that currently has an English manager (one knighted by the queen no less). Hard to believe that doesn't make a difference. But there again, do you take the 2nd best the country has to offer, or one of the best in the world? England's national team manager isn't even English.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 22, 2008, 08:55:29 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 22, 2008, 01:25:28 AM
...who would you rather have: Craig Bellamy or Fernando Torres?

Man U is also the only one of the clubs that currently has an English manager (one knighted by the queen no less). Hard to believe that doesn't make a difference...

Careful!  Bellamy isn't English, he's Welsh (as is Man U's Ryan Giggs).  And Ferguson isn't English, he's Scottish.  They are both British, not English.  And this is not splitting hairs.  In the eyes of Uefa and the FA, they are both internationals every bit as much as any South American, African, or North American player.

I think the amount of money available is one big factor that hasn't been mentioned yet.  Man U, Arsenal, and, of course, Chelsea are much wealthier than the rest of the EPL.  Liverpool's sale to the American owners was an attempt to get into the same spending category as the others, and what brought them Fernando Torres instead of Craig Bellamy.  On that front, they succeeded spectacularly.  They also got themselves a ton of debt, thanks to the machinations of Hicks and co., but that's another topic.

I think both Arsenal's and, to a lesser extent Liverpool's choices of players come down to wanting the best players available (and, as I said before, English football fans don't seem particularly troubled by foreigners in the EPL).  In Liverpool's case, the majority of foreigners are either Spanish speakers (Torres, Reina, Alonso, Arbeloa, Mascherano) or from countries where many people speak English from an early age (Riise, from Norway, Hyypia, from Finland, and Agger, from Denmark, come to mind).  It's been said in interviews with reputable papers that Torres rejected approaches from Man U, Arsenal, and Chelsea specifically because he wanted to play for Rafa Benitez.

I don't really think Man U's "buying local" has made them more popular, nor do I think they have the pick of the English players simply because they have been the most  popular side in recent years.  They MAY have a more successful youth program--I'm not up on those--and they certainly have the resources.  So, Tom, if you see having the most English players as a big virtue, that's fine--but the English FANS themselves don't particularly see it that way. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 23, 2008, 02:28:38 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 22, 2008, 08:55:29 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 22, 2008, 01:25:28 AM
...who would you rather have: Craig Bellamy or Fernando Torres?

Man U is also the only one of the clubs that currently has an English manager (one knighted by the queen no less). Hard to believe that doesn't make a difference...

Careful!  Bellamy isn't English, he's Welsh (as is Man U's Ryan Giggs).  And Ferguson isn't English, he's Scottish.  They are both British, not English.  And this is not splitting hairs.  In the eyes of Uefa and the FA, they are both internationals every bit as much as any South American, African, or North American player.

It's all the UK, they're valued practically the same and looked up to the same. SAF was knighted by the Queen, hard to get a helluva lot more British than that. Bellamy is all too Welsh, as the fight with Riise last year would attest. One might argue that Liverpool is more popular in Wales than Man U because of proximity, but I don't know if that is actually the case or not.

  In Liverpool's case, the majority of foreigners are either Spanish speakers (Torres, Reina, Alonso, Arbeloa, Mascherano) or from countries where many people speak English from an early age (Riise, from Norway, Hyypia, from Finland, and Agger, from Denmark, come to mind).  It's been said in interviews with reputable papers that Torres rejected approaches from Man U, Arsenal, and Chelsea specifically because he wanted to play for Rafa Benitez.

Have no problem believing that. Benitez seems to have the in on the Spanish/Argentine players, which is why I'm hoping that they'll have a shot at Aguero.

I don't really think Man U's "buying local" has made them more popular, nor do I think they have the pick of the English players simply because they have been the most  popular side in recent years.

The second part sure can't hurt.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 23, 2008, 12:36:08 PM
Man U won today, 3-0.  I forgot who it was, but a Liverpool player got sent off around the 34th minute.  He was booked earlier and then got sent off for decent.  Getting your 2nd bookable offense on dissent is uncalled for.  You can't do that as a player.  Man U was already up 1-0 and then sealed it in the 79th and 81st minutes, I think...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Spence on March 23, 2008, 01:43:10 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 23, 2008, 12:36:08 PM
Man U won today, 3-0.  I forgot who it was, but a Liverpool player got sent off around the 34th minute.  He was booked earlier and then got sent off for decent.  Getting your 2nd bookable offense on dissent is uncalled for.  You can't do that as a player.  Man U was already up 1-0 and then sealed it in the 79th and 81st minutes, I think...

It was Mascherano. Just been that kind of year for Liverpool I guess. Didn't see the match to see if it was a well-earned red or not.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 23, 2008, 08:07:07 PM
I read his 2nd bookable offense, the dissent, was well deserved, didn't see his challenge for the first yellow.

Arsenal lost to Chelsea after taking the lead in the 2nd half and then losing the game after giving up two.  I'm still not sure how I feel about it, Chelsea taking maximum points or had it been better if they drew...I'm thinking the latter now.

I'll have to check out FSC for highlights at 9 pm local time!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 24, 2008, 10:55:53 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 23, 2008, 08:07:07 PM
I read his 2nd bookable offense, the dissent, was well deserved, didn't see his challenge for the first yellow.
I just watched Super Sunday Plus on FSC and they said that Mascherano's first booking wasn't deserving of a yellow.  They said it was a hard challenge, but it was pretty clean and nothing you wouldn't expect from a defensive midfielder like Mascherano.  But they went on to say that, not only he should have been well aware, but Gerrard and Benitez should have been more involved in controlling Mascherano after his original booking.  They too said that his booking for dissent was definitely well deserved.  And as TB pointed out, getting your 2nd booking for dissent in a game where you are trying to climb back into the championship race is unacceptable.  And from the highlights I saw, Liverpool is fortunate that Reina was somewhat on his game or the final score could have been much much worse...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 26, 2008, 08:20:21 PM
7 to go.

Man Utd:  73 pts
Chelsea:  68 pts
Arsenal:  67 pts



   Man Utd      Chelsea      Arsenal   
   Aston Villa (7th)      Middlesbrough (12th)       @ Bolton (18th)   
    @ Middlesbrough (12th)       @ Man. City (9th)      Liverpool (4th)   
   Arsenal (3rd)      Wigan (14th)       @ Man Utd (1st)   
    @ Blackburn (8th)       @ Everton (5th)      Reading (15th)   
    @ Chelsea (2nd)      Man Utd (1st)       @ Derby (20th)   
   West Ham (10th)       @ Newcastle (13th)      Everton (5th)   
    @ Wigan (14th)      Bolton (18th)       @ Sunderland (16th)   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 27, 2008, 10:41:11 AM
Nice showing by the MNT yesterday as they recorded their 2nd straight W on Euro soil beating Poland 3-0 in front of a sellout crowd in Krakow!

Two US defenders scored the 1st 2 goals of the match with Bocanegra scoring in the 12th minute and Gooch scoring in the 35th minute.  Both goals were assisted by Donovan with the 1st coming off a free kick and the 2nd off a corner.

Eddie Lewis added the 3rd goal in the 73rd minute scoring on a free kick from 20 yards out.

I  think the next action for the MNT won't come until the end of May when they are back in Europe to face England at Wembley.  And then a week later they face Spain.  Those 2 games should be quite telling as to just how far this team has come.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 27, 2008, 11:37:43 AM

Don't forget the EPL relegation battle either.  There are still five or six teams fighting to stay out of those last two spots (Derby is done) and they play each other quite a bit down the stretch.  I think 33 will be the magic point total to stay out, so it will be interesting to see who can manage it first.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 29, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
Arsenal comes from 2-0 down in the 61st minute to score three times in the last half hour.  An own goal in the 90th gives Arsenal 3 pts they didn't think they'd get.  Nice job Bolton, that's why you're getting relegated.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 29, 2008, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 29, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
Arsenal comes from 2-0 down in the 61st minute to score three times in the last half hour.  An own goal in the 90th gives Arsenal 3 pts they didn't think they'd get.  Nice job Bolton, that's why you're getting relegated.
You forgot to mention that Arsenal made their comeback after they were down to 10 men!  They scored all three 2nd half goals a man down!!! :o

Guess we can't write off the Gunners just yet!

It might not matter though as good as ManU looks!  Ronaldo is just amazing.  What a talent he is!  He had a hand in 3 of ManU's 4 goals scoring one and assisting on both of Rooney's goals!  Ronaldo is really in rare form!  That's about all you can say and it is fun to watch!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 30, 2008, 10:28:09 PM
6 to go.

Man Utd:  76 pts
Chelsea:  71 pts
Arsenal:  70 pts



   Man Utd      Chelsea      Arsenal   
   W 4-1 Aston Villa (7th)      W 1-0 Middlesbrough (12th)       W 3-2 @ Bolton (18th)   
    @ Middlesbrough (12th)       @ Man. City (9th)      Liverpool (4th)   
   Arsenal (3rd)      Wigan (14th)       @ Man Utd (1st)   
    @ Blackburn (8th)       @ Everton (5th)      Reading (15th)   
    @ Chelsea (2nd)      Man Utd (1st)       @ Derby (20th)   
   West Ham (10th)       @ Newcastle (13th)      Everton (5th)   
    @ Wigan (14th)      Bolton (18th)       @ Sunderland (16th)   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on April 01, 2008, 03:23:39 PM
Hey folks,

I thought that i share this with you folks after Papa B.E. and I had a debate on how poorly Coach "Hugol" Sanchez made decisions for his national team.
After a long debate, i was just happy that he understood why Coach Sanchez needed to be let go and why this team needs a field general who can use his players more wisely.

MEXICO CITY, April 1 (Reuters) - Mexico fired coach Hugo Sanchez on Monday after only 16 months in the job, the Mexico Football Federation (FMF) said.


The former Real Madrid striker, widely regarded as the finest player Mexico has produced, was sacked two weeks after the under-23 team, which he also coaches, failed to qualify for the Beijing Olympics.


The FMF said the decision had been taken by a meeting of the federation's executive committee, which is made up of the presidents of the 18 first division clubs.

'By a unanimous decision, the contractual relationship with the technical staff of the national team has been ended,' FMF general secretary Decio de Maria told a news conference.

De Maria said that Jesus Ramirez, who coached the Mexico team which won the World Under-17 championship in Peru in 2005, would take over on an interim basis for next month's friendly against China in the United States.

Mexican media have identified a list of possible long-term replacements, including Brazilian Luiz Felipe Scolari, currently with Portugal, Argentine Jose Pekerman and Italy's 2006 World Cup winning coach Marcelo Lippi.

Sanchez, appointed in November 2006 after lobbying intensively for the job for years, was in charge for 23 full internationals, winning 12, drawing three and losing eight.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 03, 2008, 05:03:07 PM
In UEFA Cup action today, Getafe gets a goal in approx the 90th minute to tie Bayern Munich 1-1 in the first leg.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 04, 2008, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 03, 2008, 05:03:07 PM
In UEFA Cup action today, Getafe gets a goal in approx the 90th minute to tie Bayern Munich 1-1 in the first leg.

That is an amazing result for Getafe. Getafe is a tiny club from Madrid, in the shadows of Real, Atletico, even Rayo Vallecano.  Now they have an away goal against Bayern and even on aggregate going into their home tie. Absolutely incredible.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 07, 2008, 10:58:26 AM
5 to go.

Man Utd:  77 pts
Chelsea:  74 pts
Arsenal:  71 pts



   Man Utd      Chelsea      Arsenal   
   W 4-1 Aston Villa (7th)      W 1-0 Middlesbrough (12th)       W 3-2 @ Bolton (18th)   
   T 2-2 @ Middlesbrough (12th)      W 2-0 @ Man. City (9th)      T 1-1 Liverpool (4th)   
   Arsenal (3rd)      Wigan (14th)       @ Man Utd (1st)   
    @ Blackburn (8th)       @ Everton (5th)      Reading (15th)   
    @ Chelsea (2nd)      Man Utd (1st)       @ Derby (20th)   
   West Ham (10th)       @ Newcastle (13th)      Everton (5th)   
    @ Wigan (14th)      Bolton (18th)       @ Sunderland (16th)   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 08, 2008, 04:45:02 PM
Liverpool 4 Arsenal 2

Summary

Torres = Brilliant !!!

Adebeyor = brilliant but not as brilliant as Torres, could/should have had 3

Liverpool = fortunate in the end

game = you'll be hard pressed to find better drama.

How does Liverpool keep doing this....amazing.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 08, 2008, 04:57:51 PM
Sac, I'm not sure why you say Liverpool were fortunate.  Both sides made mistakes, but the Scousers dominated the game I saw (starting basically with the second half). 

The Torres goal was utterly brilliant.  He seems to be able to make time stand still when he has the ball.

Adebeyor must still be shaking his head about the goal he missed.  Okay, maybe that's how Liverpool were fortunate. :)

Ryan Babel was responsible for both of Liverpool's two late goals, as he was the player brought down in the box to set up the penalty.  I'm sure Arsene Wenger is already complaining that the penalty was called in this match and not in the match at the Emirates, but that's not how calls are made.

This was a classic match!  Looking forward to the matchup with Chelsea!

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 08, 2008, 05:03:48 PM
Well, perhaps some others disagree with me:

'"It's possibly one of the worst performances I've put in in a Liverpool shirt," says Steven Gerrard, who goes on to admit that Arsenal "passed us off the pitch at times".'

Guess I'll see when I watch the first half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 08, 2008, 05:22:05 PM
I thought the penalty was fortunate, could have gone either way.  Without the penalty, Arsenal isn't pressing forward looking to score, so no clincher by Babel.  Wild stuff.


Liverpool dominated posession after they equalized the first time, otherwise it looked like a repeat of last week..........and Adebeyor should have burried his miss, plus he had another called offside that looked good to me.

....and I agree, classic!  But I suppose it depends on who you were pulling for. ;)

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 08, 2008, 11:45:28 PM
I just watched the first half (and fast-forwarded through the second).  Liverpool were indeed very poor in the beginning.  They perked up amazingly after scoring their first goal.

I didn't see the possession stats this afternoon:  51 %Liverpool-49 % Arsenal for the entire match.  Basically Arsenal dominated the first half and Liverpool the second.

The folks in the Kop were in great voice--I can't remember hearing them so loud for so long. 

I agree; while neutral observers will call this a classic and Liverpool supporters will be transferring it to VHS (we are), I doubt any Arsenal supporters will want to watch it again.  Maybe it will help expunge the ghosts of the final game of the EPL (okay, it wasn't the EPL then) season in 1989, when Arsenal went to Anfield needing to win by 2 goals in order to win the league.  They got the second as time expired.  It's the game that's being played at the end of the original Fever Pitch (the footie one, not the baseball adaptation.)


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 09, 2008, 05:07:52 PM
ManU 1 Roma 0

Impressive performance from United, they probably deserved a couple more goals.  Exciting play even with Ronaldo and  Rooney on the bench.   Would have been interesting had DeRossi capitalized on the missed penalty but then it kind of felt right that he missed.

Owen Hargraves was excellent.

Both semi's should be great.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 10, 2008, 11:04:46 AM

Can Barca run the English gauntlet?  This will be a good final session.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 10, 2008, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: Stinger on April 04, 2008, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 03, 2008, 05:03:07 PM
In UEFA Cup action today, Getafe gets a goal in approx the 90th minute to tie Bayern Munich 1-1 in the first leg.

That is an amazing result for Getafe. Getafe is a tiny club from Madrid, in the shadows of Real, Atletico, even Rayo Vallecano.  Now they have an away goal against Bayern and even on aggregate going into their home tie. Absolutely incredible.

Bayern Munich ties Getafe 3-3 today to advance.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=238324&cc=5901
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 11, 2008, 03:15:01 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 10, 2008, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: Stinger on April 04, 2008, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 03, 2008, 05:03:07 PM
In UEFA Cup action today, Getafe gets a goal in approx the 90th minute to tie Bayern Munich 1-1 in the first leg.

That is an amazing result for Getafe. Getafe is a tiny club from Madrid, in the shadows of Real, Atletico, even Rayo Vallecano.  Now they have an away goal against Bayern and even on aggregate going into their home tie. Absolutely incredible.

Bayern Munich ties Getafe 3-3 today to advance.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=238324&cc=5901

Instant classic..........look at the timing of those goals.  Wow!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 12, 2008, 08:42:56 AM
Getafe played a man down from the 7th minute.  Crushing loss.  If you have a few minutes, read Phil Ball's article regarding "eurogeta".

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=523665&root=europe&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2&cc=5901
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 14, 2008, 05:03:18 PM
Good find, thanks.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 14, 2008, 06:47:59 PM

Chelsea drops two points to Wigan.  Not going to help them much.  Now 5 down to ManU with four to play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 16, 2008, 12:49:26 AM
4 to go.

Man Utd:  80 pts
Chelsea:  75 pts
Arsenal:  71 pts



   Man Utd      Chelsea      Arsenal   
   W 4-1 Aston Villa (7th)      W 1-0 Middlesbrough (12th)      W 3-2 @ Bolton (18th)   
   T 2-2 @ Middlesbrough (12th)      W 2-0 @ Man. City (9th)      T 1-1 Liverpool (4th)   
   W 2-1 Arsenal (3rd)   T 1-1 Wigan (14th)      L 2-1 @ Man Utd (1st)   
    @ Blackburn (8th)       @ Everton (5th)      Reading (15th)   
    @ Chelsea (2nd)      Man Utd (1st)       @ Derby (20th)   
   West Ham (10th)       @ Newcastle (13th)      Everton (5th)   
    @ Wigan (14th)      Bolton (18th)       @ Sunderland (16th)   

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 16, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
Is the race for the premiership all but over?  Chelsea still have a chance, albeit a very slim one.  The Blues have a tough match next week at Everton.  If they can't come away with the 3 points, they are finished. 

What the Blues need most is a ManU draw next week at Blackburn and a win over the Red Devils at home the following week.  That would be enough to draw the Blues level.  If ManU can get their 3 points on the road this weekend, that would pretty much seal the deal. 

BTW, did anyone catch that goal by Hargraves to put ManU on top vs. Arsenal?  Everyone and their mother was expecting Ronaldo to take that and Hargraves just flat footed everone on the pitch and delivered an excellent strike right into the bottom left corner!  That just might have been the goal that ultimately wins the Premiership for ManU!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 17, 2008, 05:58:58 AM
Mexico defeated China last night 1-0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 18, 2008, 04:32:08 PM
The race is far from over.  Chelsea won at Everton yesterday to cut their deficit to just 2 points.  Man. Utd. have an equally tricky visit to Blackburn tomorrow.  A tie would leave them 3 points up with a trip to Stamford Bridge next week.  If Chelsea wins, it's a two-game playoff as both teams would be level on points, though the "tie-breaker" would go to the Red Devils' superior goal difference.  I think it's going to go down to the wire.  One game at a time (yeah, I know, huge cliche)...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 22, 2008, 01:07:37 AM
The Olympic draws have been announced:

Group A: Argentina, Australia, Ivory Coast, Serbia
Group B: Japan, Netherland, Nigeria, USA
Group C: Belgium, Brazil, China, New Zealand
Group D: Cameroon, Honduras, Italy, S. Korea

With Olympic rules (23 and under, or under 23?). it is hard to handicap, but going by tradition it would seem that Argentina and Italy have pretty easy draws, Brazil should do fine unless Belgium and (home-team) China go crazy, and USA may be in the 'group of death'.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 22, 2008, 04:52:37 PM
Chelsea 1 Liverpool 1

....shocking about sums it up, what a disaster for Liverpool.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 22, 2008, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 22, 2008, 01:07:37 AM
The Olympic draws have been announced:

Group A: Argentina, Australia, Ivory Coast, Serbia
Group B: Japan, Netherland, Nigeria, USA
Group C: Belgium, Brazil, China, New Zealand
Group D: Cameroon, Honduras, Italy, S. Korea

With Olympic rules (23 and under, or under 23?). it is hard to handicap, but going by tradition it would seem that Argentina and Italy have pretty easy draws, Brazil should do fine unless Belgium and (home-team) China go crazy, and USA may be in the 'group of death'.

The thing is, you're allowed three players over the age limit per squad and guess who said he's interested in lacing them up for the Red, White, and Blue?  None other than Fulham captain Brian McBride!

If he's up front with our strong, young squad.  I like what they have the ability to do in this tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 22, 2008, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: sac on April 22, 2008, 04:52:37 PM
Chelsea 1 Liverpool 1

....shocking about sums it up, what a disaster for Liverpool.

It was a shocker, all right, and a real shame.  I hope it's not a disaster.  It sounds as though they pretty much dominated the game until the own goal. 

The real bad guy owner, Hicks, was in town for the match, along with the prospective buyers from DIC.  Hicks better have security in place--there will be plenty of frustrated Scousers about.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 22, 2008, 08:09:17 PM
And Lampard claims they deserved a draw.  Liverpool dominated most of the game, in my opinion.  Riise sticks his head a foot off the ground to score the own goal.  Nice job.

Man. Utd. v Barca tomorrow...wow!  Then on to Stamford Bridge.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 23, 2008, 11:14:33 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on April 22, 2008, 08:09:17 PM
And Lampard claims they deserved a draw. 
Not from what I saw from that match...

I agree with Tom in that Liverpool absolutely dominated that match and if it wasn't for Peter Cech, Liverpool should have easily had 3-4 goals!  Cech turned away Torres on 2 point blank shots and then he tipped away a Gerrard Rocket that was heading goalward.

Maybe Lampard meant to say they were fortunate with the draw...  ::)  ???

ManU at Barca should be a good one later today!  I've got my DVR set to record and I'll be watching later tonight hoping for a Red Devils away victory!  8)  That will be a tall order at Camp Nou, however.  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 23, 2008, 11:39:12 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 22, 2008, 06:39:02 PM
The thing is, you're allowed three players over the age limit per squad and guess who said he's interested in lacing them up for the Red, White, and Blue?  None other than Fulham captain Brian McBride!

If he's up front with our strong, young squad.  I like what they have the ability to do in this tournament.
I really like the idea of bringing McBride back.  I really think he could be a force up front alongside Altidore.

Hoops Fan, I don't know what article you read regarding McBride, but in the one I read, it stated that there might be a conflict with many of the senior mnt players due to a WC Qualifier with Guatemala which they are trying to get rescheduled so it doesn't conflict with the Olympics. 

What other senior players would you like to see?  I think I'd be leaning towards defense with maybe Gooch and Bocanegra or maybe a keeper like Howard.  Of course all of this hinges on whether or not that WC Qualifier can be rescheduled as to just which senior players choose to go to the Olympics.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 23, 2008, 11:50:59 AM
Here is what Lampard said, from the BBC:

'Chelsea midfielder Frank Lampard felt his side deserved to come away from the first leg of their Champions League semi-final at Liverpool with a draw.  The Blues were headed for defeat until Liverpool's John Arne Riise headed into his own net deep into injury time."I think we deserved definitely to get the draw at the end," he said. "They had chances and we had chances. It was a battle and we carried on to the end.  This is not an easy place to come and we kept at it."'

Did anyone see the Arsenal-Reading match for which Hleb was given a red card after review of the tape?  He hit someone in the face.  Just wondered how bad it was.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 23, 2008, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 23, 2008, 11:39:12 AM
Hoops Fan, I don't know what article you read regarding McBride, but in the one I read, it stated that there might be a conflict with many of the senior mnt players due to a WC Qualifier with Guatemala which they are trying to get rescheduled so it doesn't conflict with the Olympics. 

That's the beauty of it, McBride isn't on the MNT anymore, he retired from international competition after the last World Cup.

As for the other over 23ers, it probably should be some back line guys, although we're short on them as it is and if there is a qualifier conflict that's out entirely.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 23, 2008, 09:08:10 PM
Who's the under-23 goalie, how solid is he?  Someone like Friedel could play keeper.  He's having an outstanding EPL season and stymied MUFC last weekend (damn him!).  As usual, I think the US is short on defenders so they couldn't really afford to give up someone for the Olympics.

Man. Utd. gets a draw today.  Even though Ronaldo missed an early PK, I think the Red Devils were fortunate to get a 0-0 draw back to Old Trafford.  Barcelona basically dominated the whole match.  Obviously a goal would've changed the whole complexion of the game, but I'd rather have a 1-1 draw than a 0-0 draw.

Big games this weekend and on Tuesday (and Wednesday for that matter).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2008, 11:29:00 AM

I forget his name, but the U-23 goalie is solid.  I also remember something about goalies being excluded from the age exemption.  I could be wrong, but I don't think you're allowed to bring an older keeper.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on April 25, 2008, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 24, 2008, 11:29:00 AM

I forget his name, but the U-23 goalie is solid.  I also remember something about goalies being excluded from the age exemption.  I could be wrong, but I don't think you're allowed to bring an older keeper.

Chris Seitz is the u-23 goalie and he's the backup keeper at RSL.

I wouldn't be shocked if they go with an overage goalie, even if Seitz is good.  The last Olympics the US played, Friedal was brought in to play ahead of Tim Howard.  At the time, it was known that Howard would become a star, but they wanted experience in the back to organize the defense and such...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 26, 2008, 02:21:22 PM
Well, it's all level going into the last two games of the season.

Man. Utd. looked to have secured a draw until the PK in the 86th minutes give the hosts all three points.

It's going to be a tough two weeks.  Chelsea plays home to Liverpool in the Champions League on Wednesday and has a tricky away trip to St. James' Park (Newcastle is in 12th) the following Monday.  The Red Devils host West Ham (10th) 48 hours earlier on Saturday.  The Hammers surprised them earlier in the season, 2-1.  If Manchester United don't qualify for the Champions League Final on Tuesday, I think they won't win the league either.  They'll come out tight against West Ham on Saturday and earn a draw. 

In the last weekend, Chelsea should be guaranteed 3 pts. as they host Bolton (16th).   Bolton will be fighting for their lives to avoid the drop, so it might be a little more scrappy.  The Red Devils will try to get points and Wigan (14th).

It's going to be a battle.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 26, 2008, 11:51:30 PM
Fulham and Birmingham play next with the winner having the best shot to avoid relegation.  With Fulham's clutch performance against Man City this week, I think they have the edge.  Then it is just a showdown with Bolton and Reading.


And what about Derby's one win performance.  Could 11 points be the worst first tier season ever?  It's going to be hard to top.

By the way, there's a very good chance we'll be treated to a team named "Stoke" in the Premiership next season.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 27, 2008, 09:16:15 AM
Just curious, but what happens in the event of a tie atop the standings?  Does it go to goal differential as the tie-breaker?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 27, 2008, 12:09:18 PM
Yes, goal differential, and Man U has a monster lead there--18, I think.  Probably why there is so much grumbling amongst Chelsea fans about their style of play being boring.

One of the highlights shows had a piece last week about Derby's points total being the lowest ever, and if they've scored any since then I've missed it.  So I think they are on track for that dubious distinction.

Has anyone caught the Mourinho/Ericsson/Rooney puppet show on Setanta?  It's really pretty funny.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 27, 2008, 12:57:48 PM
That the same puppet show that appeared to be making fun of Willie Nelson?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 27, 2008, 01:06:35 PM
There was a quick reference to Willie Nelson in that Sven was wearing a bandanna and preparing to sing in a talent show.   I thought it was making fun of Sven, not Willie.  (And Rooney is a genius, doing Rubic's cubes blindfolded and singing Schubert's Ave Maria like a choirboy).  To me it seems in good fun.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 27, 2008, 02:13:04 PM
Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't know the context. (Just as a side note, on Willie Nelson, a few months back he and Merle Haggard performed together in Milwaukee, and while they were doing "Okie from Muskogee" ("we don't let our hair grow long and shaggy," etc.) Merle took his hat off to reveal his baldness (and we all know how long Willie's hair is.)  From the review in the local paper, some of the attendees got a kick out of that.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagueshttp://ebay.com/
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 27, 2008, 03:17:53 PM
Given how long ago I remember seeing Merle Haggard sing that song on TV, I bet some of the attendees would like to have the option of letting their hair grow "long and shaggy" again! ;)

The Sven puppet got the hook in the skit, by the way.  Guess he'd better not give up his day job.

Sounds like Everton-Aston Villa was a real barnburner--0-0 at the end of the first half, but it ended up 2-2.  There were three goals in the last 10 minutes or so.  Those two sides are still fighting for the last UEFA spot.  Currently Everton has 62 points to AV's 59; AV has a one-goal advantage in goal differential.  And Everton's only getting one point instead of three means that they are mathematically eliminated from contention for the fourth spot in the EPL, meaning that Liverpool are assured of Champions League qualification for next season.  Not that I took any notice of that, of course!  ;) :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 28, 2008, 11:15:22 AM
I think that was a very disappointing result for Everton.  They had a chance to put a stranglehold on that 5th position.  Instead they remain just 3 points clear of Villa and Everton's final two games aren't going to be easy.  They have Arsenal and Newcastle so it's going to be a fight to the end for that EUEFA Cup spot!


Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 26, 2008, 11:51:30 PM

Fulham and Birmingham play next with the winner having the best shot to avoid relegation.  With Fulham's clutch performance against Man City this week, I think they have the edge.  Then it is just a showdown with Bolton and Reading.

I just watched the highlights of that match this morning and that was indeed clutch for Fulham!  Down 2-0 at the break to charge back and score 3 in the 2nd half to score their 2nd road win in a row after going how long without a road win?!  If the cottagers can somehow beat Birmingham this weekend, that would put all kinds of pressure squarely on both Bolton and Reading.  IMO, Reading seems to have the best shot at avoiding being caught as they get lowly Derby County in the last week of the season.  Reading, IMO, could very easily end the season stuck at 33 points as they host Sunderland who has really been in fine form recently and then they finish the season at Chelsea who is only fighting for the Premiership title! 

Could you imagine if the season came down to that game?  Reading fighting for their Premier League lives and Chelsea fighting for the Premier League Championship!  Didn't Boro avoid relegation by beating ManU at Old Trafford on the last weekend of the season last year?  Of course, ManU had already wrapped up the Premiership, but that was still an improbable win nonetheless which shows that anything can, and probably will happen.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 28, 2008, 04:25:42 PM
West Ham and Carlos Tevez beat Man. Utd. at Old Trafford on the last day.

Bolton plays at Stamford Bridge on the last day.

Derby hosts Reading on the same day.

Fulham is at Portsmouth.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 28, 2008, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on April 28, 2008, 04:25:42 PM
West Ham and Carlos Tevez beat Man. Utd. at Old Trafford on the last day.


And Sheffield Utd went to court the next day. ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 28, 2008, 06:06:40 PM

Arsenal beat Derby 6-2 today.  Arsenal didn't even field their first team.  They had half their starters on the bench.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 29, 2008, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on April 28, 2008, 04:25:42 PM
West Ham and Carlos Tevez beat Man. Utd. at Old Trafford on the last day.
So I got the team wrong.  West Ham still needed that 3 points to avoid relegation.

I also mixed up Reading and Bolton.  Thanks for clearing that up.


Who does everyong think will be moving on to Moscow today and tomorrow?

I'm hopeful of a ManU v. Liverpool final.  But Chelsea is just so tough to beat at the Bridge.  So, while I'm still going to predict an all-England final, I'm predicting ManU v. Chelsea.  One of these two will have some revenge for losing out to the other in the Premier League race...  8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 29, 2008, 06:04:58 PM
ManU v Liverpool would be more intrigueing because of the rivalry, but ManU v Chelsea would probably be the better game. 

But honestly either is going to be a good final, at the very least interesting. :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 29, 2008, 06:45:17 PM
I didn't see the first ManU-Barcelona match, but after watching the second, I'm astounded that they combined for 1 goal total.  Today could have easily been about a 6-5 game.  Both offenses seemed much superior to either defense (the only goal came on a really bush-league defensive giveaway, and many other surprisingly easy shots missed by inches, or were barely blocked).

The reffing struck me as highly inconsistent.  I commented in the first half that he was really letting them play - many uncalled fouls.  Then in the second came a flurry of yellows (I believe 4 within about a ten-minute span) - perhaps he was afraid he was totally losing control of the game, and desperately tried to regain it?

And C. Ronaldo is still the #1 flopper in the world! >:(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 29, 2008, 07:43:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 29, 2008, 06:45:17 PM

And C. Ronaldo is still the #1 flopper in the world! >:(

Drogba is #1a, Ronaldo #1b......they are both too talented to need to do that crap :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 30, 2008, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 29, 2008, 06:45:17 PM
I didn't see the first ManU-Barcelona match, but after watching the second, I'm astounded that they combined for 1 goal total.  Today could have easily been about a 6-5 game.  Both offenses seemed much superior to either defense (the only goal came on a really bush-league defensive giveaway, and many other surprisingly easy shots missed by inches, or were barely blocked).
I don't know if I'd go as far as to say it could have been a 6-5 game.  Really, outside of Messi, Barca didn't really offer anyone that looked like they were a threat.  I mean, it has been 4 games now that Barca hasn't even found the back of the net.  That tells me they're not doing something right offensively.

ManU could have easily put 3 in the back of the net.  Park had an excellent look at goal shortly after Scholes' goal but he pushed it just wide.  Nani had an equally good look at goal, but he couldn't direct his header goal-ward.  But, after intermission, the Red Devils weren't really looking too offensive minded.  They took their chances whenever they had a counter open up but that was about it.  I will say, that last 15 minutes or so was excruciating knowing that a Barca goal would send ManU packing.

The biggest thing that struck me about both matches was Baca's domination of possession.  Yet, with all of that possession, they had nothing to show for it.  It was getting tiresome hearing Tommy Smyth raving about Barca's domination of possession.  I just kept thinking to myself what is Barca doing with all of that possession?  The answer was not much...  ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 30, 2008, 05:30:10 PM
More great stuff from England today.  Exciting match, with an extraordinary amount of drama.

Interesting that only a week after diving and feigning injury over a dozen times, and after being slayed in the press by Rafa Benitez.....Drogba stays upright for the whole game, has two great stikes and was easily the best player on the field.  He should do that every week.


Curious subs by Benitez, Babel should have come on, but why take off Torres?  ........and Jermaine Pennant?  awful.  Basically Liverpool took off their only goal scorer and the man who provided the assist.  Maybe he was playing for penalties in extra-time.  Strange.  But given the subs, Chelsea's dominance in extra-time wasn't all that surprising.

Chelsea v ManU should be great.   Some interesting head games coming for the next 3 weeks.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 30, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
I knew the second-guessing the substitutions would start soon, and I think everyone is mystified about why Torres came out.  I figured that Babel was being held in reserve, and I usually prefer him to Benayoun in the wing role--Benayoun has a tendency to come into the central midfield, clogging things up.  But today he made that lovely run to set up Torres, so hurray for Benayoun!  And the first, unplanned, substitution really hurt--Skrtel coming off with an injury.  He's the only Liverpool defender with the pace to keep up with Drogba.  I think that alone was probably the difference in the match.

And Jermaine Pennant has had a couple of really great games lately, including a terrific goal against Birmingham.  That was not a great match, but he was the outstanding Liverpool player that day.  So I don't fault Rafa for that one.

When Drogba stays on his feet and works, he's a great player.  When he dives and moans and cries it's maddening and a waste of a great talent.  I think Rafa's calling him out may have been intended to get the refs to watch his diving--but it might have had the opposite effect.

Oh well.  While it wasn't clear to me why the takedown of Ballack was a penalty while the one of Babel at the other end wasn't, maybe that's just because I'm wearing a red shirt.  Today wasn't Liverpool's day, but there will be others.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 30, 2008, 06:22:45 PM
I'll defer to others on Pennant's performances in the EPL, I usually don't get to see those matches.  Realisticaly I don't know who else you put on.

Your absolutely right about Skrtel, shame it was Hyypia giving up the penalty as he's been so solid for so long.   

Quote from Benitez on Torres:  "He had a problem with a hamstring."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 02, 2008, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on April 30, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
While it wasn't clear to me why the takedown of Ballack was a penalty while the one of Babel at the other end wasn't, maybe that's just because I'm wearing a red shirt.  Today wasn't Liverpool's day, but there will be others.
I too was wondering that.  I'm wearing a red shirt, just not Liverpool red...  ;)

Drogba definitely was the class on the pitch in that semi-final.  He really is a Jeckyl and Hyde sort of player isn't he?  Unforutnately for ManU, he seems to be playing his best football at just the right time.  He really looks poised to carry the Blues all the way to the finish in both the EPL and the CL.  And as much as it pains me to pull for Chelsea, I was really pulling for Lampard when he nailed that penalty.  It was quite touching to see him paying his respects to his mother afterwards. 

As for the rest of the season, the drama unfolding over the next 3 weeks between ManU and Chelsea will be some fun stuff to watch!  8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 03, 2008, 12:13:10 PM
Well, pretty exciting morning on both ends of the table.

Manchester United were 3 up inside 25 minutes thanks to a sweet long range effort by Tevez which was sandwiched inbetween two Ronaldo goals, both a little fortunate and lucky.  Ronaldo's first took a slight deflection, though the run prior to that was nice, and the second literally fell in his lap (the thigh finish was sweet). 

The Hammers made it interesting with an amazing bicycle kick to make it 3-1.  To make matters worse for United, Nani with an idiotic headbutt to put United down a man.  Hargreaves makes it a comfortable 4-1 win with a goal in the 2nd half.

At the other end of the table, McBride with a superb diving header off a set piece and Nevland secures all three points for Fulham with a late goal. 

Over at Whitehart Lane, Hotspur wins it 1-0 over Reading.  Reading with a late chance to take a share of the spoils, but an amazing save with about 2 minutes from time keeps all three points for the hosts. 

Fulham is out of the drop zone on goal difference now...Chelsea is 3 points back with a game to play at tricky Newcastle on Monday.  The Gordies have been playing really well lately, so it'll be tough for the Blues.

With no satellite, I splurged and bought a monthly subscription to Setanta Broadband so I can watch the Manchester United game this morning and next Sunday.  I was also watching the Fulham game and the Reading game (on Charter's Fox Soccer Channel) at the same time.  Well worth it!  I can also go back into the archives and watch other games.  Not sure why I didn't do this previously! lol...maybe I'll by the full year for a discount next season.

I would love a draw at St. James' on Monday, but would cherish the home side with a win!  That game is also on Setanta, but it's during my work hours, so I can watch a replay on it later in the day (but only if Chelsea doesn't take all three points!)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 03, 2008, 12:48:04 PM
If you guys get bored, go to Youtube and type in:  I'm on Setanta Sports"

There are a bunch of episodes featuring Jose Morinho, Sven Goran, and Wayne Rooney.  Real funny stuff.  I actually was introduced to it during half time of my broadband watching of the Manchester United game this morning.  Never knew they had such a thing, but it's definitely pretty funny.  Jose reminds us how "fantastic" he is, a lot! lol...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2008, 12:50:07 PM
The American Boys can take one sigh of relief.  Fulham needs to beat Portsmouth to assure themselves a spot in the Premiership again next year.

Reading gets Derby, so that should be a win.  Bolton is playing Sunderland today and then Chelsea next.  If they get three points today, they are safe.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 03, 2008, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 03, 2008, 12:50:07 PM
Bolton is playing Sunderland today and then Chelsea next.  If they get three points today, they are safe.
Bolton - 2
Sunderland - 0

Looks like the Wanderers are safe.

Can the Cottagers pull out one more improbable win?  With Reading hosting lowly Birmingham next week, it looks like Fulham will need yet one more win to complete their late season run send Reading packing based on goal differential. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 03, 2008, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 03, 2008, 02:46:11 PM
Can the Cottagers pull out one more improbable win?  With Reading hosting lowly Birmingham next week

Reading actually plays the more lowly DERBY, as posted previously, while Birmingham hosts Blackburn.  Fulham may get a break with Portsmouth looking to rest players for the FA Cup Final, though it's 6 days later.

I think Derby will have a lot of pride playing at home, so it's not like Reading will have a cakewalk, considering they've gone about a million minutes without scoring a goal!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 03, 2008, 05:31:45 PM
Hey, Tom, we were talking about "I'm on Setanta Sports" a few days ago--you missed it!  We caught a rerun of the Willie Nelson episode today--it's still funny.  I love the image of Rooney as a sweet-voiced choirboy able to do the Rubix cube blindfolded. 

No matter how much they're playing for, this year's Derby side are looking to be as close to a cakewalk as one is likely to see in an EPL side.  11 points for the season and a -65 goal differential?  I hope that won't be bettered (?) any time soon.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 04, 2008, 09:26:52 PM
I'm Stoked about this years promotion teams.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 04, 2008, 10:34:00 PM
It was a wild day at the Championship level in the EPL.  Fourteen teams had something riding on the results:  West Brom and, yes, Stoke go up, and Watford, Crystal Palace, Hull, and Bristol City go into a play-off.  Wolverhampton go miss the playoff by two goals--they were tied on points with Watford and a goal back in GD.  Leicester go down to League One for the first time in their 120+ year history.  And Colchester go down, sadly.  (Colchester is a GREAT little city/town, an hour's train ride from London, with a wonderful Roman castle and museum). 

On the Premier level, Arsenal-Everton was a deadly affair, with Arsenal narrowly earning a one-goal win.  It was the kind of match that has most Americans saying they hate "soccer."  Liverpool pulled out a one-goal win over Man City that I haven't watched yet.  Evidently Torres had a peach of a goal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 04, 2008, 10:43:38 PM
I guess I never connected the dots on that puppet show on Setanta...oops.  I figured I kind of skipped over that stuff since I didn't have it and then forgot all about it when I did watch the broadband thing.  Yeah, pretty funny stuff.

Promotions, playoffs and relegations are all fine and good, but there are only two games that matter to me this weekend...the Man. Utd. game and tomorrow's Chelsea game! Sorry everyone else! lol...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 05, 2008, 06:48:41 AM
Bayern Munich and Wolfsburg play to a scoreless tie --Bayern gets the Bundesliga title again, but Woflsburg had several good chances to score and couldn't convert.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 05, 2008, 04:07:05 PM
Chelsea is still alive with two second half goals at St. James' Park for the win.  Manchester United travels to Wigan, while Chelsea hosts Bolton.  Bolton is virtually guaranteed to avoid the drop, so they won't be as desparate as I had hoped.  Wigan had a nice 2-0 win away from home, so they'll be pumped up to prevent the Red Devils from taking the title. 

Manchester United 84 pts
Chelsea 84 pts
Arsenal 80 pts
Liverpool 73 pts

It's been a battle the whole year with Arsenal once leading the league and Liverpool not far behind.  Here's a look at some other leagues to see how close those title chasers were.

Inter Milan 81
Roma 78
Juventus 70
AC Milan 61

Bayern Munich 67
Werder Bremen 57
Schalke 04 55
Hamburg 51
Stuttgart 51

Real Madrid 78
Villarreal 68
Barcelona 64
Athletico Madrid 58
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 06, 2008, 02:48:21 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 04, 2008, 10:34:00 PM
Leicester go down to League One for the first time in their 120+ year history. 

I've been following the premier league for about 10 years now, I used to love when the game of the week on FOX was from Filbert Street, it just looked so cool and old.  It was like Major League Baseball at a minor league park, or at least the parts they made the TV camera views.  Then they built a brand new sterile looking stadium and quickly find themselves in serious trouble.......coincidence?.


Also one of the early teams that caught my attention was Sheffield Wednesday......because they were so bad!  I think they had like 5 points at Christmas or something like that.    Pretty bad company for Derby County to be hanging around with.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 06, 2008, 08:50:19 AM
I remember Leicester when I first started following the English teams, too.  It was about ten years ago.  I think Nicky Butt played for them then, and a guy with the great name of Muzzy Izzit.

It's understandable that all of us here support one of the "big" teams--my Liverpool seem like minnows most of the time compared to the other big three--but spending that time across the pond was truly educational.  One of the most memorable matches we watched was in the second round of the FA cup--Harrogate Railway against Mansfield Town.  In the first round, HR had defeated Droylesden, who play in the Blue Square Premier League--THREE LEVELS above Harrogate Railway.  We turned on the TV almost by accident on a Sunday afternoon, and there it was, live on the BBC.  Chucking down rain, as they say, about six rows of seats in the stands.  The fences along the endlines were filled with men in Yorkshire caps.  HR fought back from a goal down twice before finally falling 2-3.  One of the best matches we saw.  Here's a link to photos of the stadium, including the most important person, the tea lady!

The words "class basketball" are floating in my head, but I will resist further polemic on that off-topic subject.   :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 06, 2008, 09:06:19 AM
And speaking of Liverpool--their play in the last two months has been exceptional.  Had they played with more consistency, they'd have been fighting it out at the very top.  Look at the scores:  0-0 with Birmingham, Blackburn, and Manchester City; 1-1 draws with Wigan, Middlesbrough, and Aston Villa; and losses to Reading 1-3 and West Ham 0-1.  Most of those they should have been expected to win.  The turmoil off the pitch, combined with Torres' limited play early on, seems to be responsible. 

Rumor is that John Arne Riise has been thanked for his services and offered to Aston Villa as part of a deal for Gareth Barry.  I suspected as much when 18-year old Emiliano Insua was given the start at left back on Sunday.  Shame about Riise, but there's no question the defense needs more strength and quickness.  The own goal against Chelsea is a horrible last memory, but minds were probably already made up.

Assuming the blankety-blank owners get their act together and allow Rafa to do some shopping, next season looks bright for Liverpool.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 06, 2008, 09:08:14 AM
Ooops, here's the link for the Harrogate Railway photos:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/content/image_galleries/harrogate_railway_mansfield_gallery.shtml
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 06, 2008, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 06, 2008, 09:08:14 AM
Ooops, here's the link for the Harrogate Railway photos:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/content/image_galleries/harrogate_railway_mansfield_gallery.shtml

That's really what it's all about.  Every year I keep track of all the teams which qualify for the Champs League and track where they enter and how long they last, always rooting for the last team from the opening round to finally go out.  It was quick this year, but last year was awesome with the team from Cyprus lasting to the third round and one other minnow making the first group phase.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 06, 2008, 11:01:45 AM

Speaking of Minnows FC United of Manchester, the breakaway club formed in protest to the Glazers buying ManU and taking on $800 million in debt, won their playoff match last week to earn a third consecutive promotion.

They'll be playing in stage seven next season.  Another promotion puts them high enough to get a first round bye in the FA Cup.

Pretty impressive for a bunch of angry, upstart fans.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on May 08, 2008, 12:36:10 PM
Great week to be a Madrid fan. They wrapped up their 31st league title on Sunday with 2 goals in the last 5 minutes.  Yesterday, they absolutely spanked Barca 4-1 at the Bernabeu.  Real just ran circles around them. It was thing of beauty.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 08, 2008, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: Stinger on May 08, 2008, 12:36:10 PM
Great week to be a Madrid fan. They wrapped up their 31st league title on Sunday with 2 goals in the last 5 minutes.  Yesterday, they absolutely spanked Barca 4-1 at the Bernabeu.  Real just ran circles around them. It was thing of beauty.

Afterwards all the Real fans got together to laugh at old people falling down and to kick little kids' pets.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 09, 2008, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 08, 2008, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: Stinger on May 08, 2008, 12:36:10 PM
Great week to be a Madrid fan. They wrapped up their 31st league title on Sunday with 2 goals in the last 5 minutes.  Yesterday, they absolutely spanked Barca 4-1 at the Bernabeu.  Real just ran circles around them. It was thing of beauty.

Afterwards all the Real fans got together to laugh at old people falling down and to kick old pets.
And then shortly after that, Barca sacked Frank Rijkaard.  :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 09, 2008, 03:23:46 PM
Two year drought and the world ends for Rijkaard.  Back to back league titles after taking over in 2003 and a 2006 Champions League trophy...he hasn't won either the last two years and now he's out!  Ouch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 11, 2008, 12:31:21 PM
Manchester United are champions while all three relegated threatened teams win, with Fulham squeaking out safety with a 1-0 win and goal difference.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 12, 2008, 09:57:47 AM

Reading gave it everything they had, scoring 4 goals, but they needed 4 more to stave off the axe.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 12, 2008, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on May 11, 2008, 12:31:21 PM
Manchester United are champions while all three relegated threatened teams win, with Fulham squeaking out safety with a 1-0 win and goal difference.

What a great finish to the season!  I love how Avram Grant was crying about how the league should not be decided by goal differential.  I guess since his Blues couldn't find a way to finsh off Bolton at home, his argument is now moot!  ;D

And they're hailing Danny Murphy's goal as the 40 million pound header at Fulham!  ;D

I really can't believe that the Cottagers pulled that one out of their hat.  After going winless on the road in what seemed like an eternity, Fulham somehow manages 3 away wins in their final 4 away matches to pull off their Houdini act!

And congrats to Derby County for finishing off the worst season in the history of the Premiership!  If things don't improve, their stay in the Championship Division will be short-lived as well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 19, 2008, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on May 05, 2008, 04:07:05 PM
Chelsea is still alive with two second half goals at St. James' Park for the win.  Manchester United travels to Wigan, while Chelsea hosts Bolton.  Bolton is virtually guaranteed to avoid the drop, so they won't be as desparate as I had hoped.  Wigan had a nice 2-0 win away from home, so they'll be pumped up to prevent the Red Devils from taking the title. 

Manchester United 84 pts
Chelsea 84 pts
Arsenal 80 pts
Liverpool 73 pts

It's been a battle the whole year with Arsenal once leading the league and Liverpool not far behind.  Here's a look at some other leagues to see how close those title chasers were.

Inter Milan 81
Roma 78
Juventus 70
AC Milan 61

Bayern Munich 67
Werder Bremen 57
Schalke 04 55
Hamburg 51
Stuttgart 51

Real Madrid 78
Villarreal 68
Barcelona 64
Athletico Madrid 58


Inter Milan takes the Serie A title after nearly having Roma come from 11 points back to overtake them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 21, 2008, 04:04:22 PM
1-1 in the 60th minute.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 21, 2008, 05:39:28 PM
All England final............the rain seemed fitting

Droghba........hahahahaha
Ronaldo.........hahahahaha
Terry......wow.....and cruel
Vander Sar....never looked capable of saving a penalty untill the last one.


........at least I didn't have to watch David Beckham stub one over the bar.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 21, 2008, 06:56:06 PM

I can't believe I didn't get to watch it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 21, 2008, 07:02:37 PM
Did anyone else find the officiating for such an important match to be downright shameful?  ONE of the most egregious: in the 90th minute, defender jumps over the striker, but clobbers him in the head with his leg (in the box, no less) - no call.  I also counted at least 5 times I'm sure they gave the throw-in to the wrong team, and at least 5 goal kicks that should have been corners (or vice versa).  And the lack of foul calls earlier certainly helped lead to the near-riot in the 2nd OT (not that ManU and Chelsea need much prodding to launch a near-riot!).

Shoot-outs are a horrible way to end a match (not that I have a better suggestion, except, perhaps, perpetual golden-goal OTs), but at least this one went just to my liking: Ronaldo whiffed, but ManU prevailed despite the 'smirking flopper'(TM :D).  But why switch from football to some 'sport' which is 98% lucky guesswork by the keepers?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 22, 2008, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 21, 2008, 07:02:37 PM
But why switch from football to some 'sport' which is 98% lucky guesswork by the keepers?
I agree about the PK shootout being a horrible way to end the match.  It just seems like such a horrible way to go down to defeat after putting in so much effort for over 120 minutes.  And defeat always seems to end up laying on one player as it was with John Terry yesterday.  Terry really shouldn't be so hard on himself.  After all, if it wasn't for him, ManU would have won in the 2nd OT as his head was the only thing that kept Giggs' shot towards a wide open net from not going in.

As far as the guesswork by the keeper goes, did anyone notice van der Sar pointing to his left when Anelka stepped up for his attempt?  It really looked like van der Sar was baiting Anelka and Anelka took the bait.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on May 22, 2008, 10:19:36 AM
Quote from: sac on May 21, 2008, 05:39:28 PM
All England final............the rain seemed fitting

Droghba........hahahahaha
Ronaldo.........hahahahaha
Terry......wow.....and cruel
Vander Sar....never looked capable of saving a penalty untill the last one.


........at least I didn't have to watch David Beckham stub one over the bar.

And Giggs.... How can one not love and respect this guy? He's a class act and great professional. 

Here's wishing that C. Ronaldo stays with the Red Devils and I don't have to root for him in a Real shirt next season.   

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on May 22, 2008, 11:07:44 AM
ESPN kindly reminded me that Euro '08 is right around the corner, starting Jun 7th. Every game televised. ESPN has really come along way with its coverage.  My Tivo is going to get a work out.   


US v. England,  Spain, and Argentina in the coming 2 weeks. Solid stuff!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 22, 2008, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 22, 2008, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 21, 2008, 07:02:37 PM
But why switch from football to some 'sport' which is 98% lucky guesswork by the keepers?
I agree about the PK shootout being a horrible way to end the match.  It just seems like such a horrible way to go down to defeat after putting in so much effort for over 120 minutes.  And defeat always seems to end up laying on one player as it was with John Terry yesterday.  Terry really shouldn't be so hard on himself.  After all, if it wasn't for him, ManU would have won in the 2nd OT as his head was the only thing that kept Giggs' shot towards a wide open net from not going in.

As far as the guesswork by the keeper goes, did anyone notice van der Sar pointing to his left when Anelka stepped up for his attempt?  It really looked like van der Sar was baiting Anelka and Anelka took the bait.

Agree on all points.  I didn't notice the van der Sar/Anelka pointing, but my son (the current soccer coach, rather than an over-the-hill guy like me!) commented on that even before the kick - a masterful 'psych' job!  Maybe it is only 95% guesswork! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 22, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: Stinger on May 22, 2008, 10:19:36 AM

Here's wishing that C. Ronaldo stays with the Red Devils and I don't have to root for him in a Real shirt next season.   

Say what you will about C. Ronaldo, but the fact is, he is one of the world's best talents right now.  To say that you don't want him on Real is not real smart.  Ronaldo might be a 'smirking flopper' as Mr. Ypsi pretty aptly named him and he does tend to rub a lot of opposing players and fans the wrong way, but I still would take him on my team in a heartbeat.  All he does is score goals which is proven by 42 goals in 48 appearances!  At least he isn't a 'flopping head case' like Drogba...  :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 22, 2008, 01:41:40 PM
Drogba slapping an opponent directly in front of the ref had to be the dumbest big-game move since the 'head-butt seen round the world'! ::)  How an experienced pro can let an opponent get into his head that much is beyond me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 22, 2008, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: Stinger on May 22, 2008, 11:07:44 AM
ESPN kindly reminded me that Euro '08 is right around the corner, starting Jun 7th. Every game televised. ESPN has really come along way with its coverage.

I was pretty blown away that they showed the final twice, basically back-to-back with sportscenter in between.  Wish I'd known that before makeing such a big effort to watch it all live. :-\

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 21, 2008, 07:02:37 PM
Did anyone else find the officiating for such an important match to be downright shameful? 

Your not alone, but the players jabbering with the ref (and each other) all day didn't make it any better, or very pleasant to watch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on May 22, 2008, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 22, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: Stinger on May 22, 2008, 10:19:36 AM

Here's wishing that C. Ronaldo stays with the Red Devils and I don't have to root for him in a Real shirt next season.   

Say what you will about C. Ronaldo, but the fact is, he is one of the world's best talents right now.  To say that you don't want him on Real is not real smart.  Ronaldo might be a 'smirking flopper' as Mr. Ypsi pretty aptly named him and he does tend to rub a lot of opposing players and fans the wrong way, but I still would take him on my team in a heartbeat.  All he does is score goals which is proven by 42 goals in 48 appearances!  At least he isn't a 'flopping head case' like Drogba...  :P

Sorry, but Madrid has now won 2 Ligas in a row with a stready squad put together quite carefully.    The last thing they need on their squad is a prima like C. Ronaldo.   Real already went the route of the Galacticos, I hope they learned their lesson aready. Much like Barca went through this year.   C. Ronaldo is not worth the $100M price tag he's going to come with.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 22, 2008, 05:25:17 PM
Quote from: sac on May 22, 2008, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 21, 2008, 07:02:37 PM
Did anyone else find the officiating for such an important match to be downright shameful? 
You're not alone, but the players jabbering with the ref (and each other) all day didn't make it any better, or very pleasant to watch.

Though not unexpected.  I get the feeling that ManU/Chelsea is currently (Hope/Calvin + Wabash/DePauw) X 2! :D  Those guys do NOT like each other (and without the mitigating d3 respect for opponents).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 22, 2008, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: Stinger on May 22, 2008, 03:53:37 PM
Sorry, but Madrid has now won 2 Ligas in a row with a stready squad put together quite carefully.    The last thing they need on their squad is a prima like C. Ronaldo.   Real already went the route of the Galacticos, I hope they learned their lesson aready. Much like Barca went through this year.   C. Ronaldo is not worth the $100M price tag he's going to come with.
And ManU has won back to back Premier League Titles as well as pulling off the Double this year by winning the Champs League with the prima that is C. Ronaldo.  I'd say that the Red Devils might disagree with you about C. Ronaldo's worth.

Personally, I think you may have a point about C. Ronaldo not fitting in with another club because of his prima donna attitude.  That's why much of the credit for the Red Devil's success falls squarely on Sir Alex.  Look at all the egos on Man United's squad.  Yet, Sir Alex gets them to buy into putting their egos aside for the betterment of the team.  I don't know of too many managers that would be capable of pulling off what Sir Alex does at Man United.   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 22, 2008, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 22, 2008, 05:25:17 PM
Quote from: sac on May 22, 2008, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 21, 2008, 07:02:37 PM
Did anyone else find the officiating for such an important match to be downright shameful? 
You're not alone, but the players jabbering with the ref (and each other) all day didn't make it any better, or very pleasant to watch.

Though not unexpected.  I get the feeling that ManU/Chelsea is currently (Hope/Calvin + Wabash/DePauw) X 2! :D  Those guys do NOT like each other (and without the mitigating d3 respect for opponents).

Chelski (on purpose) had a history with that referee, I forget where or when but they basically started complaining after the first whistle and it never stopped. 

Any "not likeing" probably just comes from both teams being good and going after the same things, esp this year.  I'm pretty certain the three recognized top rivalries in England are Arsenal/Tottenham, ManU/Liverpool, Everton/Liverpool.......Chelski is rather new at this winning stuff.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 22, 2008, 08:19:31 PM
The first is one of my favorite videos I found from this year.  Its Liverpool fans being "locked down" inside Old Trafford to keep the potential for violence down.  The second is a longer different perspective.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwwZ9V96HR0&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VgYP5qJ5pDc&feature=related

Can you imagine seeing something like that at a college football game?

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 22, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: sac on May 22, 2008, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 22, 2008, 05:25:17 PM
Quote from: sac on May 22, 2008, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 21, 2008, 07:02:37 PM
Did anyone else find the officiating for such an important match to be downright shameful? 
You're not alone, but the players jabbering with the ref (and each other) all day didn't make it any better, or very pleasant to watch.

Though not unexpected.  I get the feeling that ManU/Chelsea is currently (Hope/Calvin + Wabash/DePauw) X 2! :D  Those guys do NOT like each other (and without the mitigating d3 respect for opponents).

Chelski (on purpose) had a history with that referee, I forget where or when but they basically started complaining after the first whistle and it never stopped. 

Any "not likeing" probably just comes from both teams being good and going after the same things, esp this year.  I'm pretty certain the three recognized top rivalries in England are Arsenal/Tottenham, ManU/Liverpool, Everton/Liverpool.......Chelski is rather new at this winning stuff.

Traditional rivalries, probably.  But 'Chelski' (as you aptly put it) has probably 'jumped the queue' (as I believe the Brits would say) due to their ownership.  They may be many teams' most hated rival now - though ManU (with ownership from 'the colonies') may be a contender. ::) 

Hard to say how much carries over from fans to players, but the players from ManU and Chelsea didn't appear that they were going out for pints together after the match! :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 22, 2008, 11:36:27 PM
Quote from: sac on May 21, 2008, 05:39:28 PM
Vander Sar....never looked capable of saving a penalty untill the last one.

He got his hands on two of them...and the 2nd one he really could've saved, IMO. 

I think VDS are actually trying to react to the PKs, rather than just guess a way, at least for a few of them...he looked slow in reacting, thus just getting hands on two of them before saving the last one...

Too bad for Terry...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2008, 04:22:49 PM
I returned from a week-long trip to England last night (tough work, but someone's got to do it! :D .  I watched the CL final from my hotel room in London and just watched the second half and extra time again. 

I agree that quite a few out of bounds and corner/goal kick decisions went the wrong way--although I often had to see the replay to be sure, and the official doesn't have that luxury.  The high kick that Ypsi referred to, I think, was a play-on situation for Joe Cole--and Cole just mis-kicked the ball.  I think he'd have complained bitterly had the ref stopped play when the high kick occurred.

But what has become a consistent thread in every Chelsea match I've seen is the constant whining and complaining of the Chelsea players.  Didier Drogba is one of the worst offenders--we've talked about it here.  He's one of the best in the world when he stays on his feet and plays, but when he falls down and cries, he's not convincing and it's incredibly frustrating.  The Brit commentators were discussing this before the match and one of them said that with all of Drogba's talent it's mystifying why he so often acts like "a big Jessie."  I've never heard that term before but I cracked up! 

Given the physical nature of the game, it was actually pretty mild until open hostilities broke out in the extra time.  And you just don't swat at people, no matter how ineffectually, so I think the red card was inevitable.

So, the game was cruel to Chelsea.  I found it at first annoying, although ultimately amusing, that someone had hung a big blue banner saying "Scouse Free Zone."  Although Liverpool weren't there in person, they were there in some people's minds!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2008, 04:27:13 PM
Whoever has the TV rights in England to the Euro 2008 competition is scrambling to promote it, now that England's not in it.  The ads show interviews with people in the street being asked who they're supporting.  The biggest promos are going to Portugal (Cristiano Ronaldo) and Spain (Fernando Torres), with Germany, France, and Italy being pushed as well.  Should be interesting!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 24, 2008, 11:16:24 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2008, 04:22:49 PM
But what has become a consistent thread in every Chelsea match I've seen is the constant whining and complaining of the Chelsea players.  Didier Drogba is one of the worst offenders--we've talked about it here.  He's one of the best in the world when he stays on his feet and plays, but when he falls down and cries, he's not convincing and it's incredibly frustrating.   The Brit commentators were discussing this before the match and one of them said that with all of Drogba's talent it's mystifying why he so often acts like "a big Jessie."  I've never heard that term before but I cracked up! 
I too think Drogba's act is incredibly frustrating.  He is arguably one of the strongest players out there.  He could almost always out-muscle anyone he felt like.  Yet, at the same time, he can also be too eager to fall.  I definitely think he is not real convincing and the refs think that way as well.  Too bad Drogba can't figure that out...

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2008, 04:22:49 PM
I found it at first annoying, although ultimately amusing, that someone had hung a big blue banner saying "Scouse Free Zone."  Although Liverpool weren't there in person, they were there in some people's minds!

I was surprised to see the banner in blue.  After all, I doubt too many Liverpool supporters were pulling for Man United.    I would have expected that banner to be in red!  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 24, 2008, 01:00:17 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 24, 2008, 11:16:24 AM
I was surprised to see the banner in blue.  After all, I doubt too many Liverpool supporters were pulling for Man United.    I would have expected that banner to be in red!  ;D

Well, I was pulling for Man U, for one, although I think you're right in general.  The match was pretty much a matter of indifference in Liverpool, except for some Everton supporters who still like Rooney.

I think that Man U supporters don't look back at the teams they have beaten to get to the CL final--as Liverpool supporters do not.  Both sides know they deserve to be there.  As others have mentioned before, Chelsea are relative newcomers to the highest levels of European competition.  Plus, the semi-final matches between Liverpool and Chelski were incredibly close; were it not for the Riise own goal, the Reds would have been in the finals for the third time in four years.  So I thought it was an attempt at gloating that really didn't work--in the end I laughed at it.

Anyway, although the match did get testy on both sides, and there are great players on both sides, I thought Man U deserved the win.  It pains me to say it, but Cristiano Ronaldo's goal was a beauty.

Oh, and congratulations to Hull City on their victory in the Championship League final!  The winning goal was scored by the player with my favorite name of all time:  Dean Windass.  When I first started watching the EPL he was with Bradford and I thought he'd gone for good when they got relegated. 

Let the transfer season begin!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 27, 2008, 05:22:19 PM
Jon Spector looks to be out again for the match tomorrow.  Are we ever going to be able to run out our top 4 on the back line?  It stinks to have Spector injured all the time when defense is the shallowest position on the pitch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 27, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
I heard Windass was 39 or so!  Now that they are promoted, he might be gone NOW!

Speaking of transfers, I can't believe Real keep talking like they have Cristiano Ronaldo signed already.  What a joke...for any player on any team.

I mean, what if the Mets just kept talking about how they want Jeter and basically talking like he's already on their team...and just kept going at it.

There's gotta be some kind of international fine or something.  The guy is under contract (which, of course, sometimes doesn't mean crap) and Real just keep getting into his head.

I would love for Manchester United to sell Ronaldo for some 200 million pounds.  That would be hilarious.  Sure, it would suck not having Ronaldo, but it'd be worth it to see how stupid and desparate Real is by actually forking over that kind of money.

Is that England/USA friendly on TV tomorrow?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 27, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on May 27, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
I heard Windass was 39 or so!  Now that they are promoted, he might be gone NOW!


We thought the same thing.  Too bad; it was nice to see him again.

Hey Tom, if you want to see Ronaldo gone, the rest of the EPL wouldn't complain!  :D

The latest rumors I saw had Chelsea offering Drogba, Carvalho, and money to AC Milan for Kaka...and wanting Torres as well.  I think DD will regret that red card.  And I'm glad Hicks doesn't control the purse strings at Liverpool--don't want him selling the franchise like he did in Texas.

Interesting article on the BBC site about the relative lack of top-flight English players in the EPL.  There's a summary of how many English players each side started this year.  Among the Big Four the averages were:

Man U 4.28
Chelsea 3.63
Liverpool 2.34
Arsenal 0.34 (!)

West Ham had the largest number of English starters with 6.61, followed by Aston Villa at 6.42.  Fulham were near the bottom, right above Liverpool at 2.42 English starters per game.  All those blo**y Americans at Fulham ;) !

Heres the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7417746.stm

And yes, the friendly is on tomorrow--ESPN, I think. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 27, 2008, 06:43:13 PM
(0.34?)

Bet that 1/3 of a player was a trick to start! (Ba dumm bumm!)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 27, 2008, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on May 27, 2008, 06:43:13 PM
(0.34?)

Bet that 1/3 of a player was a trick to start! (Ba dumm bumm!)

My thoughts exactly!  I guess that's Theo Wolcott starting every third game averaged out...at least I hope so!  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on May 28, 2008, 12:45:07 AM
Hey Folks,

Long time no post on this board. Anywho's, just wanted to share this info regarding tomorrow's friendly game that will pit Team USA against England:

From the MNT website:
U.S. Men's National Team head coach Bob Bradley has named a 22-man roster that will travel to London to prepare for the friendly against England on May 28 at Wembley Stadium. Kickoff for the first of the USA's three summer friendlies is set for 8 p.m. local time (3 p.m. ET), and the match will be broadcast live on ESPN Classic and via tape delay on Galavision at 7 p.m. ET/PT. Fans can also follow the match live on ussoccer.com's MatchTracker.

Go Team USA and best of Luck to current L.A. galaxy player Landon Donovan in soon Becoming the Fourth Youngest Male Player in History to Reach 100 Caps.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 28, 2008, 10:54:21 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on May 27, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
I would love for Manchester United to sell Ronaldo for some 200 million pounds.  That would be hilarious.  Sure, it would suck not having Ronaldo, but it'd be worth it to see how stupid and desparate Real is by actually forking over that kind of money.

Tom,

The question is, do you think it would take 200 million pounds for Man United to part with C. Ronaldo?  I'm wondering what Man United's asking price might be...

If Real were stupid enough to dole out 200 million pounds, Man United would be foolish not to take the money and run!

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 27, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
The latest rumors I saw had Chelsea offering Drogba, Carvalho, and money to AC Milan for Kaka...and wanting Torres as well.  I think DD will regret that red card.  And I'm glad Hicks doesn't control the purse strings at Liverpool--don't want him selling the franchise like he did in Texas.
Yikes!  Chelsea has their targest on Kaka and Torres?  :o   :-\

Looks like the transfer season is going to give us plenty to talk about!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 28, 2008, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 27, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
Interesting article on the BBC site about the relative lack of top-flight English players in the EPL.  There's a summary of how many English players each side started this year.  Among the Big Four the averages were:

Man U 4.28
Chelsea 3.63
Liverpool 2.34
Arsenal 0.34 (!)

West Ham had the largest number of English starters with 6.61, followed by Aston Villa at 6.42.  Fulham were near the bottom, right above Liverpool at 2.42 English starters per game.  All those blo**y Americans at Fulham ;) !

Heres the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7417746.stm
 
It sounds like Seth Blatter is trying fix this by limiting the number of foreign players allowed to start in respective domestic leagues.  I had heard this yesterday on Sky Sports that he wants to start with making it mandatory to have a minimum 4 domestic starters per club and then increasing that number to 6.

Personally, I think this is a bit blown out of proportion.  Just look at the Champs League Final.  There were 10 English National Team members starting in the finals the grandest club tournament in the world.  To me, this rule would hurt the Premier League far more than it would help the English National Team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 28, 2008, 12:52:32 PM
Yesterday Sir Alex was threatening to "report" Real to FIFA for making continued overtures to CR.  (As though FIFA officials don't read the news!)  He's certainly sold them top players before, but he seemed very exercised in this case.

I have no idea whether Kaka is (or could be) on the market, but I'd be very surprised if Torres were available.  If he were to go, I'd expect Rafa and the rest of the Spanish-speaking players to go, and possibly even Steven Gerrard, and I just don't think even the current owners are stupid enough to let that happen (fingers crossed).  Chelsea (along with Arsenal and Man U) made overtures to Torres before Liverpool did, and he wanted to play for Benitez.  I just mentioned it because the contrast between his style and Drogba's is so great, even though they are both clearly world-class talents.  According to Abromavich "second isn't good enough," and if one is looking for someone to blame, Drogba's an obvious target.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 28, 2008, 05:08:13 PM

England wins 2-0 at Wembley.  There were some positives and negatives for the US.  Donovan didn't get his 100th cap with a groin problem and he was sorely missed in the middle.  I'm not a huge fan of his on the international level, but he would have been head and shoulders above Ricardo Clark.

In other news, we have some defenders now.  Pearce played wonderfully and even old Frankie Hedjuk came on with some good ball.  It's nice to know we have a solid back four when healthy with Pearce, Bocanegra, Onyewu, and Spector.

Eddie Lewis had an incredible cross late in the game.  He will provide some good leadership to this very young squad.  The rest of the crew was decent.  Beasley again was disappointing.  I think I've finally gotten to the point where I'd bench him.  He just never comes close to his potential.

Overall a decent performance.  Neither team did very well in the front third.  I'm happy with the development of Eddie Johnson and Clint Dempsy; they are both much better all-around players now.

I'm really looking forward to what should be a good showing for the U-23s at the Olympics.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 28, 2008, 05:26:54 PM
Believe me, I don't want to see Ronaldo go.  Three years ago, yeah, cuz all he did was annoy everyone with his useless stepovers and time wasting...but, he's grown into a world class player.  He even said if he only scores 25 goals next year, but helps (assists?) the other players score more, he'd be happy.

I don't want to see him go, but for 100 million pounds I'd do it.  Not because to get rid of him, but just to see Real pay it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 29, 2008, 07:21:54 AM
Someone posted a reference to FC United awhile back, I stumbled across this and it made me laugh...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCXHbCYvzjI
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 29, 2008, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 28, 2008, 05:08:13 PM

Beasley again was disappointing.  I think I've finally gotten to the point where I'd bench him.  He just never comes close to his potential.

Overall a decent performance.  Neither team did very well in the front third.  I'm happy with the development of Eddie Johnson and Clint Dempsy; they are both much better all-around players now.

I'm really looking forward to what should be a good showing for the U-23s at the Olympics.
I agree with your take on Beasley.  He was pretty awful yesterday.  But, to be fair, he is coming off of a knee injury.  Wasn't that his first action since his injury?  I'm inclined to give him a pass for now.  I just get so fet up with him not living up to his potential.  For every flash of brilliance you get from him every once in a while, you get several duds like his performance yesterday... ::)  It just gets aggravating!  >:(

Overall, I thought it was a decent performance.  I would have liked to see the US put one in the net, but they really don't have anything to hang their heads over from that performance.  Now the question becomes, what kind of performance will we see from the US vs. Spain this Wednesday?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 29, 2008, 11:31:36 AM

I think the fact that Eddie Lewis came in and was so on form really hurt my perception of Beasley.  I think the US could have avoided that second goal if Hedjuk, Donovan, and Lewis were in the game.  Obviously, Terry's goal came down to Howard's reaction time, which no one can do anything about.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 29, 2008, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 29, 2008, 11:31:36 AM

I think the fact that Eddie Lewis came in and was so on form really hurt my perception of Beasley. 
I think how good Lewis looked had a lot to do with it.  If I were Bradley, I'd be starting Lewis next Wednesday vs. Spain.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 04, 2008, 12:19:46 PM
Hey Folks, Here's a reminder about today's game between Team U.S.A and spain.

From the M.N.T website:
After last week's defeat against England, the U.S. is ready to get back on the field against fourth-ranked Spain this Wednesday, June 4. The team arrived in Santander last Thursday, and has been training just outside the city during the buildup to this week's match. All 17 European-based players from the England squad traveled to Spain with the team, though defender Jonathan Spector has since withdrawn due to injury, while the MLS contingent arrived after this weekend's games.

Also, other notebale news on the M.N.T
The European contingent of Bob Bradley's U.S. roster traveled to Spain from London after last week's game. Players from MLS have arrived following this weekend's league action.
• Jonathan Spector (hip) has pulled out of the squad and Landon Donovan (groin) has also been left out due to injury.
• The U.S. has played Spain just twice in its history, and holds an 0-2-0 record against the country from the Iberian Peninsula.
• The first meeting between the two countries came in the 1950 World Cup in Brazil, with the U.S. going down 3-1 to the eventual fourth place finishers. The U.S. rebounded from the loss, and four days later would go on to beat England 1-0 in Belo Horizonte.
• Following Landon Donovan's withdrawal from the lineup against England, Ricardo Clark remains the only U.S. player to have appeared in all four U.S. games this year, though with Clark not on the squad against Spain, his streak of appearances will end after Wednesday
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 04, 2008, 10:52:04 PM
Spain scored the only goal in the 79th minute - USA falls, 1-nil.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 05, 2008, 11:42:42 AM
Even though Team USA lost a tough game to Spain, I still think Coach Bradley and Co. are all doing a fine job in getting the team ready to play hard nose soccer, even in times when their big stars are hurt. Of course, anyone would love to see Team USA beat a team like Spain, but at least this team knows what they need to do to win, what things they need to improve on and by when do they need to hone these skills in order to show the world the team USA is a great opponent to play against. Best Wishes for Team USA on their next match up against Argentina.

btw, it did not look good for "El tri" last night as this club got stomped on by Argentina 3 to 0. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 05, 2008, 01:58:58 PM
Credit the US team for scheduling tough matches. But man, they need to be able to hold possession.  They just give it away far too easy.   Spain was far from its best last night. They need to play much stronger to make a run at the Euros.

Altidore sold to Villareal for $10M. Great move for the youngster. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 05, 2008, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: Stinger on June 05, 2008, 01:58:58 PM
Credit the US team for scheduling tough matches. But man, they need to be able to hold possession. 

No Doubt about that Stinger. I mentioned a while back on this board how I was happy to see that Coach Bradley and Co. are doing everything possible to elevate the National team into a top contender. Scheduling matches against the likes of Spain, Argentina, England, Mexico and ,heck, even Barbados (well maybe not this team.But, it sure will be fun going to this game at the Home Depot center to watch Team USA and trying to find that little hot Barbado's singer at the match. Hahaha) does good for the team.  Expect this team to start doing better once the summer gets in full swing.
Now all we need is our top players to come back from injury, have our youth learn from their mistakes, and blend this team with great vets/ young budding stars to come out with Big W's.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 05, 2008, 04:19:09 PM
Newspaper reports claim Ronaldo wants to go to Real, if only they have the money to pay Man. Utd.

I've always been someone who believes you only want players playing for you that WANT to play for you.  If Ronaldo doesn't want to play, sell him for 100 million pounds and buy someone who wants to play for the Red Devils.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 05, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
Argentina 4, Mexico 1

The South American squad continues to have El Tri's number:
Title: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 06, 2008, 04:51:32 PM
I know it's short notice, but I figured we could have a pick em league for the Euros.  No big deal. 

Even if you miss a day, still feel free to pick games.

I'll list them round by round...
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 06, 2008, 04:56:13 PM
Two points for a win, one point for a tie:  If you pick Switzerland to win and they do, you get 2 points.  If they tie, you get 1 point.  Fair enough.  Of course, if you pick them to tie and they tie, then you get the full 2 points.  0 for a loss, of course.  I suppose if you pick them to tie and they win, you only get 1 point.

Does that sound good?

Make sure you state your picks clearly, especially if you are picking a tie.

First Round Games:

Sat:  Group A:  Switzerland v Czech Republic
Sat:  Group A:  Portugal v Turkey

Sun:  Group B:  Austria v Croatia
Sun:  Group B:  Germany v Poland

Mon:  Group C:  Romania v France
Mon:  Group C:  Netherlands v Italy

Tues:  Group D:  Spain v Russia
Tues:  Group D:  Greece v Sweden
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 06, 2008, 05:01:26 PM
First Round Games:

Sat:  Group A:  Switzerland v Czech Republic:  TIE
Sat:  Group A:  Portugal v Turkey:  Portugal

Sun:  Group B:  Austria v Croatia:  TIE
Sun:  Group B:  Germany v Poland:  Germany

Mon:  Group C:  Romania v France:  TIE
Mon:  Group C:  Netherlands v Italy:  TIE

Tues:  Group D:  Spain v Russia:  Spain
Tues:  Group D:  Greece v Sweden:  TIE
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 06, 2008, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 06, 2008, 04:56:13 PM
Two points for a win, one point for a tie:  If you pick Switzerland to win and they do, you get 2 points.  If they tie, you get 1 point.  Fair enough.  Of course, if you pick them to tie and they tie, then you get the full 2 points.  0 for a loss, of course.  I suppose if you pick them to tie and they win, you only get 1 point.

Does that sound good?

Make sure you state your picks clearly, especially if you are picking a tie.

First Round Games:

Sat:  Group A:  Switzerland v Czech Republic
Sat:  Group A:  Portugal v Turkey

Sun:  Group B:  Austria v Croatia
Sun:  Group B:  Germany v Poland

Mon:  Group C:  Romania v France
Mon:  Group C:  Netherlands v Italy

Tues:  Group D:  Spain v Russia
Tues:  Group D:  Greece v Sweden

I'll go with the following:

Group A Winners:  Czech Republic and Portugal
Group B Winners:  Croatia and Germany
Group C Winners:  France and Italy
Group D Winners:  Spain and Sweden

(If I eat crow, I eat crow). 
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 08, 2008, 10:36:53 AM
Gee, hope we get more than 2 posters to play! lol :-) 

It's early with only four games being played this weekend.  So, maybe we'll have more join later on.  It's not too late!

After Day 1, I'm getting smoked!

WLCALUM83 has 4 pts
Old School has 2 pts

I was hoping the co-host nation would pull out a tie in front of their home fans.  Apparently not.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 09, 2008, 01:15:09 AM
Italy, France

Spain, Sweden
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 09, 2008, 01:30:07 AM
Outstanding job by Team USA today against the Top ranked team in the world.
In addition, what a historic night for current L.A. galaxy player and team USA capt. Landon D. for reaching 100 cap. ;D

From the M.N.T website:
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (June 8, 2008) – With the beginning of 2010 FIFA World Cup qualifying just one week away, the U.S. Men's National Team showed its mettle with a impressive 0-0 draw with No. 1-ranked Argentina this evening in front of a record sell-out crowd of 78,682 fans at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J. The crowd was the largest for a U.S. Men's National Team match at Giants Stadium and the fourth largest ever held at the stadium.

During a night when Kasey Keller, one of the best goalkeepers in the history of U.S. Soccer, was honored before the game for earning his 100th cap last year, Tim Howard displayed the skills that have made him the heir apparent to Keller as the USA's number-one 'keeper with Sierra Mist Man of the Match honors. Howard made a total of seven saves on the night – all in the first half – to earn a shutout in one of his most imposing performances in net for the United States. In the second half, Argentina was held to zero shots on goal – and just one total – as the U.S. backline closed down the lanes that allowed the South American's dangerous playmakers to sneak behind for dangerous chances on goal.

Landon Donovan also shined during a special occasion that saw him become the 11th player to earn 100 caps for the U.S. Men's National Team, the youngest ever for the U.S. and fourth youngest in the world to join the century club. Up top with Eddie Johnson, Donovan led helped the U.S. attack was able to find ways through and over the Argentina backline to whip in dangerous crosses and pepper shots on Roberto Abbondanzieri's goal
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 09, 2008, 01:47:14 AM
El Figo!!!!

On just after Nascar Craftsman series...

Where's Freddy Adu?

signed,
Graham Rahal, Fuiste and Fueron
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 09, 2008, 11:05:48 AM

Um, if Bradley's going to use Donovan up top, who is going to run the middle of the field?  I missed the match, so I don't know how it went, but Ricardo Clark is about as far from the answer as you can get.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 09, 2008, 11:08:00 AM

Ok, I just looked at the box score.  Mastroeni in the middle could work.  I always wondered why they left him on the back line, when he's such a good passer.

WC qualifying should be fun.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 09, 2008, 02:23:54 PM
Howard was the only reason the US stayed in the game. He kept it from easily being 3-0.  He was lucky to not have a penalty called on him early in the 2nd half. Outstanding performance by the Keeper.  The US was dominated in the first half with Messi leading the charge. It definitely helped that he was subbed at half.   The US did create a a couple chances, but still not finishing. 3 straight shut outs. I guess it was a step in the right direction though.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 09, 2008, 06:49:28 PM
WOW - did Italy ever get spanked by The Netherlands!  3-0, and it could have been worse.  According to the announcers, it was the first time Italy had ever given up 3 goals in the Euros.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 09, 2008, 07:05:08 PM
For what it's worth, the first Neddy Nederlander goal was offsides.  Not to say this decides the match, but scoring can be analagous to levies.

The post game announcers were rather split on their interpretation.  Both recognizing the offsides, point in fact.  One, however, felt the onus was on the defensemen for not clearing the player from in front of net, that more is required than the defensemen raising their hands to signal the official for potential offsides.

There was an era wherein could initiate contact with the goalie, but the futbol rules deviated from that track long ago and attendantly defensemen clearing players from the front of goal became the purview of hockey.

signed,
the Green Tree
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 10, 2008, 12:37:22 AM
True that the first goal should have been disallowed.  But my son (the soccer coach and HUGE Italy fan - why, I don't know since we are British Isles on my side and German on his mom's :D) felt it didn't matter.  I only caught the game after it was 2-0, but he thought Italy was totally outplayed the whole game and deserved to lose 4-0 (or 3-0 if the first goal didn't count).  From the 50+ minutes I observed, I'd agree.

Based on past performance, he predicts that France will tie all three games, in which case Italy can advance if they beat Romania.  With such a goal deficit, I'd suggest Italy win out to be sure!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 10, 2008, 01:36:53 AM
Well Mr. Ypsi, between the two of us we watched the whole match.  I tuned out, though didn't turn off after the second goal.  Around the 38th minute?

Might have been the announcer's criticism of being a little more physical in front of net was foreshadowing or evidencing the defensive efficiency on the second goal.  The highlights showed the second goal first, a nice goalie on strike jab deep in the box.  Then came the offsides goal in the highlight, chronologically incorrect but made the point for analysis.

As for your son's fanship, Macleod's Scot relatives are Juventus fans, so go figure.

signed,
Dario Franchitti
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 10, 2008, 08:24:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 10, 2008, 12:37:22 AM
True that the first goal should have been disallowed. 

UEFA has come out this morning and said it was the correct call.   
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=544855&cc=5901

The Sneijder goal was the best of the tourney by far. How about  van Bronckhorst clearing the ball off the goaline and then sprinting up the left side of the pitch to make the cross that led to the goal? Talk about making two plays.     

And FWIW, I was actually rooting for the Dutch side (maybe FDF will read this). I  can't stand the Italian brand of football (I think they are a bunch of bush leaguers), and it's a bonus the Dutch have 3 Merengues on their squad. It was a well deserved result the Nederlanders.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 10, 2008, 09:15:08 AM
Sportscenter had some replays on the disputed goal. 

An element hadn't seen before, Italy had a defender down beyond the endline (goalline?)  Not sure the injury or the thespian skill, but as to whether this disallowd the goal, look to the disputed definition of term.

This is the same parameter rule in the other football, that says a quarterback force out is not a sack, but a negative rush.  Intention to rush, versus intention to progress setting off sides.

Would it it have mattered were the Italian defender were down inside net as opposed to out?  Regardless the policy statement put forth by UEFA think the ruling is more premised by the analysis claiming a limp handshake in front of net.

signed,
John Robertson
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 10, 2008, 09:22:53 AM
Here's the take of the head of officials in the EPL:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2008/7445476.stm

Basically, the man down beyond the end line is still in play.  It seems the call was correct.

I watched the entire match on Tivo--the first half at game speed and the second half somewhat speeded up.  Italy have the highest average age of any team, and last night they looked it.  It simply was no contest.  The second goal was absolutely gorgeous, but they were all nice.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 10, 2008, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: Stinger on June 10, 2008, 08:24:43 AM
And FWIW, I was actually rooting for the Dutch side (maybe FDF will read this). I  can't stand the Italian brand of football (I think they are a bunch of bush leaguers), and it's a bonus the Dutch have 3 Merengues on their squad. It was a well deserved result the Nederlanders.
I feel the same way about the Italians!  It couldn't have been more fitting for a ruling like that offsides call go against the Azzurri!  I don't know what I'll do when France and Italy hook up as my distaste for both sides is about equally bad.  I guess I'll hope for a draw and a Romanian upset of the Italians that could lead to both France and Italy being sent packing early!   8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 10, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
Me three on Italian football.  By the way, what's a Merengue?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 10, 2008, 11:31:19 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 10, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
  By the way, what's a Merengue?

Los Merengues = Real Madrid (Ruud, Robben and Sneijder)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 10, 2008, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: Stinger on June 10, 2008, 11:31:19 AM

Los Merengues = Real Madrid (Ruud, Robben and Sneijder)

Thanks!  Of course, I should have known by the names!   :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 10, 2008, 01:52:33 PM
93rd minute remark from the ESPN commentary:

"And to think this Russian shambles are there because they knocked England out. My word we must have been truly terrible. Thanks Steve McClaren - you clown."
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 10, 2008, 03:55:17 PM
WHAT'S UP WITH ALL THESE "VIEWS" AND NO ONE PLAYING? LOL

It's never too late to join!

Rd. 2 Games of Group Stage

Wed: Group A
Czech Republic v Portugal
Switzerland v Turkey

Thurs:  Group B
Croatia v Germany
Austria v Poland

Fri:  Group C
Italy v Romania
Netherlands v France

Sat:  Group D
Sweden v Spain
Greece v Russia

Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 10, 2008, 03:57:32 PM
1st Round Group Stage Results

Czech Republic 1, Switzerland 0
Portugal 2, Turkey 0

Croatia 1, Austria 0
Germany 2, Poland 0

Romania 0, France 0
Netherlands 3, Italy 0

Spain 4, Russia 1
Sweden 2, Greece 0
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 10, 2008, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 10, 2008, 03:55:17 PM
WHAT'S UP WITH ALL THESE "VIEWS" AND NO ONE PLAYING? LOL

It's never too late to join!

Rd. 2 Games of Group Stage

Wed: Group A
Czech Republic v Portugal
Switzerland v Turkey

Thurs:  Group B
Croatia v Germany
Austria v Poland

Fri:  Group C
Italy v Romania
Netherlands v France

Sat:  Group D
Sweden v Spain
Greece v Russia



Wed. Group A:

Portugal wins:
Switzerland and Turkey play to a draw.

Thur. Group B:

Germany over Croatia:
Poland over Austria:

Fri. Group C winners:

Italy
Netherlands

Sat. Group D winners:

Spain
Greece





Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 10, 2008, 05:07:25 PM
Group A:
Pilsner Urquell to win
Istanbul or Constantinople to win

Group B:
same as 83's

GroupC:
only addendum F-N tie/draw

Group D:
same as 83's

signed,
Zidane (Gorgy Rules Apply)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 10, 2008, 07:19:41 PM
That offsides call is why injured players do everything they can to get to one side or the other rather than going off the back.  Usually the stretcher guys get them over to the side quickly; perhaps it is their fault.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 11, 2008, 06:27:11 AM
Wed: Group A
Czech Republic v Portugal...Portugal
Switzerland v Turkey...Switzerland

Thurs:  Group B
Croatia v Germany...Germany
Austria v Poland...Draw

Fri:  Group C
Italy v Romania...Italy
Netherlands v France...Draw

Sat:  Group D
Sweden v Spain...Spain
Greece v Russia...Greece
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2008, 02:03:26 PM
Portugal 3, Czech Republic 1.

In fairness to the "Smirking Flopper"TM, when Ronaldo decides to actually play futbol (instead of whatever it is he often plays), he's a joy to watch.  He scored the game winner in the 63rd minute, then iced the game in the first few seconds of stoppage time - the defense fell asleep at the switch, Ronaldo was one-on-one with the keeper with no defender within 20 yards, and (much to my surprise) dropped it to a teammate who could have literally walked the ball in.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 11, 2008, 03:58:11 PM
Ronaldo has definitely "matured" his flopping antics in the last few years.  When he first came to United, all he did was that stupid stepover move and flopped.  He's turned into a great player but still has his moments of flopping.  However, they are far less often than they used to be. 
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 11, 2008, 04:14:41 PM



   Game      RESULT      O.S.      Pts      WLC      Pts      Sac      Pts   
   Switz v Czech      Czech      Tie      1      Czech      2       --      0   
   Port v Turk      Port      Port      2      Port      2       --      0   
   Aust v Croatia      Croatia      Tie      1      Croatia      2       --      0   
   Germ v Pol      Germ      Germ      2      Germ      2       --      0   
   Rom v France      Tie      Tie      2      France      1      France      1   
   Neth v Italy      Neth      Tie      1      Italy      0      Italy      0   
   Spain v Rus      Spain      Spain      2      Spain      2      Spain      2   
   Greece v Swed      Sweden      Tie      1      Sweden      2      Sweden      2   
   Total                  12            13            5   
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 11, 2008, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: MacLeod on June 10, 2008, 05:07:25 PM
Group A:
Pilsner Urquell to win
Istanbul or Constantinople to win

Group B:
same as 83's

GroupC:
only addendum F-N tie/draw

Group D:
same as 83's

signed,
Zidane (Gorgy Rules Apply)

Translation:

Group A:
Portugal and Turkey

Group B:
Germany and Poland

Group C:
France v Netherlands TIE
Italy v Romania ?? ?

Group D:
Spain and Greece
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 11, 2008, 07:45:18 PM
Nuts, forgot about this

Would have picked Portugal and Swiss today.

Germany, Poland

Italy, Netherlands

Spain, Russia
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2008, 11:29:31 PM
I've noticed that he is not AS annoying as he used to be! :D 

I figure his talent has to have been a Faustian bargain, but if he can actually curb his ego to get his team a guaranteed shot (he probably would have beaten the keeper, but the pass made it a guaranteed goal), he must not have completely gone over to the dark side! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 12, 2008, 12:18:10 AM
I didn't see Portugal today, but I noticed during the Champions League final that CR seems to be playing more within himself and as a member of a team.  I just read a piece on him in FourFourTwo; evidently when he first joined Man U Ryan Giggs called him a "trick pony" and CR now says Giggs was right. 

So how about Scolari for Chelsea?  Wonder how much that deal was worth!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2008, 01:17:04 AM
With the decline in flopping (against Chelsea, I thought he actually DID get tripped a couple of times, with no call :D), and the possibility that the 'smirk' is more like my dog (she scares some folks because she bares her teeth and barks/gives an indeterminate gutteral sound; they fail to notice that her tail is wagging 100 mph), I may have to actually become a Ronaldo fan. ;D

He IS probably the best in the world right now.  I just wish he could show the class of Pele (and the obvious joy of the game, rather than seeming snarky).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 12, 2008, 04:09:52 PM
Wow, Germany goes down. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2008, 05:49:50 PM
[Rather than modify my above post (which modification people may never see)]:

;D <--  My dog (and Ronaldo??). ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2008, 01:12:19 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 12, 2008, 04:09:52 PM
Wow, Germany goes down. 

Both AP and SI are calling it the first upset of the Euros.  I disagree.  While Nederland downing Italy is only a mild upset, the way they completely dominated them has to be classified as a surprise.

And, dang, I missed Croatia/Germany! :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 13, 2008, 04:36:12 PM
"IT'S A DUTCH OVEN AND THE FRENCH...ARE TOAST!!!"

Commentator after the Netherlands' fourth goal

LOL  ;) :D ;D :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2008, 04:42:32 PM
Memo to those who believe soccer is too slow (which is presumably no one on THIS board ;)):  with France down 2-0, Henry scored in the 71st minute to set up a nail-biting finish.  Robben then put the lead back to 2 goals so fast the NBA shot-clock would not have expired! :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2008, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2008, 04:42:32 PM
Memo to those who believe soccer is too slow (which is presumably no one on THIS board ;)):  with France down 2-0, Henry scored in the 71st minute to set up a nail-biting finish.  Robben then put the lead back to 2 goals so fast the NBA shot-clock would not have expired! :D
However, in the NBA game, we would have seen four commercials during the three time-outs of that round of the shot clock.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2008, 04:57:23 PM
A question:  Italy and France each have a loss and a tie, and are each -3 on GD.  Romania has two ties.  IF Italy and France tie, and the Dutch beat Romania by 3 (neither outcome seems particularly unlikely), the Italians, French, and Romanians would all have 2 points and be -3! :o  Who the heck goes through?!

(I say if the three of them can't muster a single win amongst them, send 'em all home! :D)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 13, 2008, 06:58:41 PM
Is it just me or does it look like Holland can score everytime they have the ball?

Dear Holland, please let Romania win.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 13, 2008, 07:08:39 PM
I just finished watching the replay of the Netherlands - France game. The French looked good and had some bad luck, but the Dutch look unstoppable. Van Basten's 2nd half subs were pure genius.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 13, 2008, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2008, 04:57:23 PM
A question:  Italy and France each have a loss and a tie, and are each -3 on GD.  Romania has two ties.  IF Italy and France tie, and the Dutch beat Romania by 3 (neither outcome seems particularly unlikely), the Italians, French, and Romanians would all have 2 points and be -3! :o  Who the heck goes through?!

(I say if the three of them can't muster a single win amongst them, send 'em all home! :D)

I say go the "coin flip" route! :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 13, 2008, 07:42:16 PM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on June 13, 2008, 06:58:41 PM
Is it just me or does it look like Holland can score everytime they have the ball?

Dear Holland, please let Romania win.
Hey sac, are you rooting for these Dutch as well?  :)

Seeing as how Holland have already sealed the Group of Death with their dismantling of France today, I would guess you aren't going to see their strongest side against Romania.  Much to the chagrin of both Italy and France, I could see Romania at least getting a point out of that one.  Plus, if I were Holland, I would rather see Romania advance as opposed to either France or Italy.  I doubt too many would have predicted Romania being one of the two teams advancing from this group...

I'm just amazed by the Dutch form so far!  They dominated the defending World Cup champs to open the tournament and then they follow that up with an even more impressive thumping of the other finalist from that WC!  I'd have to say that Holland are the class of the Euros with Portugal close behind.

Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 13, 2008, 08:09:43 PM
Last Round of Group Stage Games

Sun:  Turkey v Czech Republic
Sun:  Switzerland v Portugal

Mon:  Poland v Croatia
Mon:  Austria v Germany

Tues:  France v Italy
Tues:  Netherlands v Romania

Wed:  Russia v Sweden
Wed:  Greece v Spain
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 13, 2008, 08:37:09 PM
My last round of Group Stage picks:

Sunday winners:  Czech Republic and Portugal.

Monday:  Croatia and Germany

Tuesday:  Italy (only because France is banged up) and Netherlands

Wednesday:  Sweden:  Spain and Greece play to a draw.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 13, 2008, 10:00:36 PM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on June 13, 2008, 06:58:41 PM
Is it just me or does it look like Holland can score everytime they have the ball?

Dear Holland, please let Romania win.

Does anyone besides me think it weird for sac to be asking the Dutch to tank? :o

What's next - sac is actually a closeted Calvin grad? ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 12:58:16 AM
A simpler situation in group A than in group C: Portugal is already in; Switzerland is already eliminated.  The Czech Republic and Turkey each have 3 points and are both at -1 GD.  They meet on Sunday.  Since the scenario is already known (unlike Italy-France, where a tie would be irrelevant unless Romania loses by at least 3 goals), if they are tied at the end of regulation, would they go to OT (and PKs, if necessary), or is there some other tie-breaking procedure?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 14, 2008, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 12:58:16 AM
A simpler situation in group A than in group C: Portugal is already in; Switzerland is already eliminated.  The Czech Republic and Turkey each have 3 points and are both at -1 GD.  They meet on Sunday.  Since the scenario is already known (unlike Italy-France, where a tie would be irrelevant unless Romania loses by at least 3 goals), if they are tied at the end of regulation, would they go to OT (and PKs, if necessary), or is there some other tie-breaking procedure?

From Wiki:

Tie-breaking criteria
According to the official UEFA rules for the tournament[13], the following tie-breaking criteria will apply, in this order, should two or more teams from the same group finish with an equal number of points. In keeping with previous European championships, the head to head record between the tied teams takes precedence over goal difference.

1. Number of points earned in matches between the teams in question;
2. Goal difference in matches between the teams in question;
3. Goals scored in matches between the teams in question;
4. Goal difference in all group matches;
5. Goals scored in all group matches;
6. In cases where exactly two teams are equal in all previously listed critera and play one another to a draw in their final group match, kicks from the penalty mark will be conducted in lieu of the remaining criteria;
7. Coefficient from the qualifying competitions for the 2006 FIFA World Cup and 2006/08 UEFA European Football Championship (points obtained divided by the number of matches played);
8.F air play conduct of the teams in the group stage;
9. Drawing of lots.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 14, 2008, 11:27:36 AM
Last Round of Group Stage Games

Sun:  Turkey v Czech Republic...Czech Republic
Sun:  Switzerland v Portugal...Draw

Mon:  Poland v Croatia...Croatia
Mon:  Austria v Germany...Draw

Tues:  France v Italy...Italy
Tues:  Netherlands v Romania...Draw

Wed:  Russia v Sweden...I'll wait until after today's results
Wed:  Greece v Spain...ditto
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 12:56:05 PM
Thanks, Stinger.  So the Turks and Czechs might go to PKs (OT first, or straight to PKs? the rule was unclear), but not Italy-France.

1-1 at halftime of Spain-Sweden.  The lousy officiating continues, as Sweden was cheated out of a PK just before the half.  The defender body-slammed the Swede going for a header right in front of the goal; since the defender hit him from behind and seemingly made no attempt at the ball, it probably should have been a card as well, but no call at all.  Unbelievable! :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 14, 2008, 01:55:05 PM
Spain pulls out the win.  Yeah, should've been a PK at the end of the 1st half. 

Since I'm marrying a Greek, I have to cheer for the holders in the next game even though they looked horrible and boring in their 1st group one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 14, 2008, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 12:56:05 PM
Thanks, Stinger.  So the Turks and Czechs might go to PKs (OT first, or straight to PKs? the rule was unclear), but not Italy-France.

Straight to PKs, accoding to announcer on Greek v Russia game.  No extra time.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 14, 2008, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 13, 2008, 07:42:16 PM
Hey sac, are you rooting for these Dutch as well?  :)


Not really.  When it comes to soccer, I really have no favorites.  Maybe a team I full for here or there.  The whole thing seems less interesting to me without England.

I really haven't been able to watch most of this tournament.  I caught Portugal's first game and parts of Holland's two games.............by the way I took a sandwhich break at 2-0, fill me in on how it got to 3-1 :D.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 14, 2008, 03:23:07 PM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on June 14, 2008, 03:06:03 PM
The whole thing seems less interesting to me without England.
I hear you.  Outside of the US National team, England is by far my favorite squad to pull for.  I just can't believe they couldn't get into this tournament with all of their talent.  Hopefully, Fabio Capello can get England pointed in the right direction as WC qualifying begins.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 14, 2008, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 12:56:05 PM
Thanks, Stinger.  So the Turks and Czechs might go to PKs (OT first, or straight to PKs? the rule was unclear), but not Italy-France.

1-1 at halftime of Spain-Sweden.  The lousy officiating continues, as Sweden was cheated out of a PK just before the half.  The defender body-slammed the Swede going for a header right in front of the goal; since the defender hit him from behind and seemingly made no attempt at the ball, it probably should have been a card as well, but no call at all.  Unbelievable! :o

Check the tape--you're right that it was definitely a PK, but it was a Swedish defender going over the back of Spain's David Villa. Spain should have had the penalty.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 14, 2008, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 12:56:05 PM
Thanks, Stinger.  So the Turks and Czechs might go to PKs (OT first, or straight to PKs? the rule was unclear), but not Italy-France.

1-1 at halftime of Spain-Sweden.  The lousy officiating continues, as Sweden was cheated out of a PK just before the half.  The defender body-slammed the Swede going for a header right in front of the goal; since the defender hit him from behind and seemingly made no attempt at the ball, it probably should have been a card as well, but no call at all.  Unbelievable! :o
Hoosier Titan beat me to it. Spain got cheated out of the PK.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 14, 2008, 05:26:38 PM
And oops for me...it was David Silva who was fouled on that play, not David Villa!   :-[ :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 05:27:28 PM
sac, see reply 1286.

Russia holds on 1-0, so Spain wins the group and Greece is eliminated.  Russia and Sweden will go h-to-h for runnerup, with Sweden having the tie-breaker +1 vs. -2).

Just to be contrary, I'm rooting for Nederland to win by exactly 3 and France and Italy to tie - I wanna see the hair-pulling when they have a 3-way tie that can't be resolved by any of the first 6 tie-breaks! :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 14, 2008, 05:31:46 PM
So what teams are people supporting?  I, too, would normally be supporting England.  I assumed that I'd be for Spain, since four Liverpool players are on the squad, but Fernando Torres is the only one to see much action so far.  And with Dirk Kuyt playing a major role in Holland's success, my allegiance is going to be divided very soon, I think. 

I absolutely hate the slow paced Spanish game.  Purists, forgive me.   :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 05:34:32 PM
Thanks, Hoosier Titan and cawcdad - I catch fouls better than the ref, but since I don't even recall which team is which, I guess I'd better stick to being a critic rather than grabbing my whistle! :-[

[On the other hand, my 'integrity' would be unchallenged - I could take a bribe, then cheat the wrong team! ;D]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 14, 2008, 05:41:38 PM
LOL Ypsi--your integrity might be unchallenged, but you might have some angry guys coming after you with baseball bats!   :D

I thought that was generally a very poorly officiated match--he called very ticky-tack stuff at first, and then missed that penalty.  I'll be surprised if he works another match in this tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2008, 05:42:47 PM
I don't have a team (my son is a rabid Italy fan, but even he is getting fed up with their style of play), but, of the games I've seen much of, I think the Dutch and Portuguese are playing the most entertaining football.

[I'm pretty sure I correctly remembered which teams I liked! :D]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 14, 2008, 06:09:51 PM
Having played, coached and refereed soccer, I usually give the guys with the whistles and flags a break. But I have to say that the officiating in Euro 2008 has been less than stellar, especially concerning offsides calls. Guys offside and not called, but especially guys that were onside and got flagged for off. Several goals have been taken away that should have counted. I say if it is close let them play and open the game up a bit.

QuoteJust to be contrary, I'm rooting for Nederland to win by exactly 3 and France and Italy to tie - I wanna see the hair-pulling when they have a 3-way tie that can't be resolved by any of the first 6 tie-breaks!
I'm with you on this!

QuoteSo what teams are people supporting?  I, too, would normally be supporting England.  I assumed that I'd be for Spain, since four Liverpool players are on the squad, but Fernando Torres is the only one to see much action so far.  And with Dirk Kuyt playing a major role in Holland's success, my allegiance is going to be divided very soon, I think. 

I absolutely hate the slow paced Spanish game.  Purists, forgive me.   
Ditto on the Spanish game. Let's just play keep away. ::)

I usually pull for the Germans. Franz Beckenbauer was my hero in my early playing days. Am I showing my age? But the Dutch are playing exciting and incredible futbol right now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 14, 2008, 06:39:41 PM
So am I, Ypsi, so am I!  :D :D
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 15, 2008, 01:00:32 AM
Turkey-Czech Republic: draw
Switzerland-Portugal: Portugal

Poland-Croatia: Croatia
Austria-Germany: Germany

France-Italy: Italy
Netherlands-Romania: Netherlands

Russia-Sweden: Sweden
Greece-Spain: draw

signed,
Stevie Tosh and Keith Gibson
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2008, 01:16:30 AM
MacLeod,

Don't know how Tom plans to score the picks, but as a group final game when they are tied on the first five tie-break criteria, the Turks and Czechs cannot draw.  If tied at the end of regulation, they go to PKs.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 15, 2008, 02:02:05 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 06, 2008, 04:56:13 PM
Two points for a win, one point for a tie:  If you pick Switzerland to win and they do, you get 2 points.  If they tie, you get 1 point.  Fair enough.  Of course, if you pick them to tie and they tie, then you get the full 2 points.  0 for a loss, of course.  I suppose if you pick them to tie and they win, you only get 1 point.

Does that sound good?

Make sure you state your picks clearly, especially if you are picking a tie.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  Just remember, golf's a Scottish game and lowest score wins.  ;)

Sorry for my lack of, ahem, clarity regarding round 2, the Romanians and Italians.

signed,
Ukio Bankas
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 15, 2008, 06:15:49 AM
Sunday

Czech and Portugal to win
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2008, 03:46:50 PM
At halftime:

Czechs 1, Turks 0.

Portugal and Switzerland scoreless (though Portugal probably did score - it was called off on a very close, very questionable offsides call).
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2008, 05:27:24 PM
Swiss 2, Portuguese 0 (but changes nothing).

But the only game I could watch (and then missed what my older son described as the most intense 30 minutes of futbol he has ever seen) was Czech Republic - Turkey.  CR up 2-0 after 70 minutes, and drilled one off the right post which would have made it 3-0.  Turkey scores in the 75th, 87th, and 90th minutes to win!!

During those minutes there were 4 yellows and (what may doom Turkey against Croatia next round) a red against Turkey's keeper.  During stoppage time(!) he shoved Koller to the ground - there had been no physical contact that I saw in replays, so, yet again, it seems an old pro let an opponent get so into his head that he did something truly stupid. ::)  [Turkey may be fortunate that it didn't cost them immediately - having already used their 3 subs, they had to move a field player to keeper for the remaining few minutes.]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2008, 05:33:11 PM
Just noticed that I posted my comments on the Czech Republic/Turkey game on the pick-em board instead of here, but I won't waste Pat's electrons repeating it!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 15, 2008, 05:40:26 PM
Ever were the points and goal differential in the above posited scenario matched, would still probably take a back seat to what transpired between the Turks and Czechs today.

3 unanswered goals by Turkey well after the 74th minute; this with the Czech Republic fielding what the announcers argue as the best goalkeeper on the planet.  In the loss to Portugal he'd made some saves that seemed almost preternatural.

Turkey's goalkeeper, a specimen at 6'7 in his own right, draws a red card and suspension for the Croat game.  The play by play had said the Turks might lose some composure being down two goals; guess the effects of the pressure don't themselves dissipate with relief.  :P

signed,
Particle Man
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 15, 2008, 06:36:07 PM
The Turks just played a furious pace for the last 25-30 minutes and the Czechs looked they didn't know what was happening. All they could do it seemed was clear, regroup and prepare for the next onslaught.

How will the Turkish goal keeper's ejection hurt them in the next game? Stupid move on his part!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 15, 2008, 09:37:57 PM
Koller's a pretty big guy.  Not as tall but overall bigger than than the Turk keeper, probably helped sell the flop a little.  Thought Koller, though he did somewhat come at the Portuguese goalkeeper spikes up once, as an individual was getting absolutely mugged by the Portuguese earlier this week; but his teammates weren't helping his cause as this whole group has been hotly contested.

That might be Koller's role for the Czech side.  His presence alone triggers a fight or flight response.  As in hockey, the goons aren't just there to knock star player's chiclets out but get them put in the box for the fight alone.  Koller could probably play blocking tight end in the other football.

signed,
Triangle Man
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 15, 2008, 10:05:14 PM
Monday

Croatia and Germany to win.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2008, 01:21:01 AM
As we await more games, a mini-quiz:

Of the truly dumb big-game red cards over the past two years, which is the dumbest?

Rooney's 'groin stomp' vs. Portugal (WC 06) [May have made no real difference, or may have iced England's elimination.]

Zidane's 'head butt' vs. Italy (WC title game 06) [Probably didn't affect the outcome, but what a stain to a magnificent career on the world's largest stage!]

Drogba's 'insult slap' vs. ManU  (Champs League final 08) [Geez, man - if you're gonna get yourself thrown out, at least punch out the guy!]

Volkan Demeril's 'shove down' of Koller (today, Euro 08 group final) [Fortunately, only a minute or so to go, since Turkey had already used their 3 subs and had to put a field player in goal - could have cost the match.  May cost them the next match against Croatia; anyone know anything about backup GK, Rustu Recber?]

My apologies if I left out any 'idiots' (further nominations welcomed! :D), and granted that all were dumb, the question is: "Who had THE dumbest meltdown of all?!"
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 16, 2008, 06:31:35 AM
2010 World Cup Qualifier Finals:

Mexico 2, Belize 0.

Paraguay 2, Brazil 0.

US 8, Barbados 0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 16, 2008, 08:57:01 AM
Wow, you've picked out all the main contenders I can think of for the dumbest red!  And you've reminded me of why I originally didn't like Cristiano Ronaldo--the wink as he walked by Rooney. 

But I think, taking into account the situations and the implications of the player leaving the field right then, it's a tossup between Drogba and Demeril--Drogba's foolish little slap v. Demeril's shove. 

That was one of the most amazing comebacks ever by Turkey.  Tuncay and Nihat were tremendous.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 16, 2008, 09:28:13 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 16, 2008, 08:57:01 AM
But I think, taking into account the situations and the implications of the player leaving the field right then, it's a tossup between Drogba and Demeril--Drogba's foolish little slap v. Demeril's shove. 

I would have to say the verdict could still be out on Demeril, but I also give him the edge as far as foolilsh ejections go.  Those other ejections may have been costly, but they were all in their team's final games.  None of them resulted in a suspension.  Demeril not only put his team at risk for the final moments of the game without a true keeper, he is also putting his team in a hole for their quarterfinal match now having to rely on their backup keeper.  I just know I went from being shocked by the unbelievable Turkish comeback to being absolutely stunned by that ejection.  What a horrible way to tarnish what has to be one of Turkey's bright spots in their footballing history.

But with that said, who knows.  Maybe Turkey's backup keeper will come on with a heroric effort to lift the Turks over the Croats and all will be forgiven...
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 16, 2008, 04:44:08 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 14, 2008, 11:27:36 AM
Last Round of Group Stage Games

Wed:  Russia v Sweden...I'll wait until after today's results
Wed:  Greece v Spain...ditto

Sweden and Greece. 
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 16, 2008, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: MacLeod on June 10, 2008, 05:07:25 PM
Group A:
Pilsner Urquell to win...Portugal?
Istanbul or Constantinople to win...Turkey

Group B:
same as 83's Germany and Poland

GroupC:
only addendum F-N tie/draw...France and Netherland tie, Italy and Romania? ? ?



Group D:
same as 83's...Spain and Greece

signed,
Zidane (Gorgy Rules Apply)

Quote from: MacLeod on June 15, 2008, 02:02:05 AM
Sorry for my lack of, ahem, clarity regarding round 2, the Romanians and Italians.

signed,
Ukio Bankas

They played each other.  Draw?
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 16, 2008, 05:04:22 PM
Round 2 of Group Games



   Game      RES.      O.S.      Pts      WLC      Pts      Sac      Pts      Mac      Pts   
   Czh/Port      Port      Port      2      Port      2      Port      2      Port      2   
   Switz/Turk      Turk      Swi      0      Tie      1      Swi      0      Turk      2   
   Croat/Germ      Croa      Germ      0      Germ      0      Germ      0      Germ      0   
   Aust/Pol      Tie      Tie      2      Pol      1      Pol      1      Pol      1   
   Italy/Rom      Tie      Italy      1      Italy      1      Italy      1      Italy      1   
   Neth/Fran      Neth      Tie      1      Neth      2      Neth      2      Tie      1   
   Swed/Spain      Spain      Spain      2      Spain      2      Spain      2      Spain      2   
   Gre/Rus      Russ      Gree      0      Gree      0      Russ      2      Russ      2   
   Total                  8            9            10            11   
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 16, 2008, 05:06:46 PM
WLC-22
OS-20
Sac-15
Mac-11
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 16, 2008, 05:19:13 PM
Romania to win, Italy and France to draw 0-0 with all 22 players sent off.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 16, 2008, 07:35:00 PM
The Germans played just well enough to win. On Ballack's goal the ball seemed to have a jet engine. Wow! :o

Can you believe both coaches sent off for "constant bickering" with the officials? ::)

Tomorrow's games should be interesting. Romainia against a resting Dutch side and Italy-France, both teams playing for survival.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 16, 2008, 09:59:01 PM
I know Mr Y was trying to figure out the scenarios for Group C, so here they are from the BBC............they didn't help me at all. :D

The Netherlands have won Group C and will play the Group D runners-up in the quarter-finals.

Romania will qualify for the quarter-finals if they beat the Netherlands, eliminating France and Italy.

If Romania fail to beat the Netherlands, the winner of France v Italy will go through.

If France and Italy draw, a point against the Netherlands would be enough to send Romania through. France must win to have any chance of qualifying.

If France and Italy share a score draw (1-1, 2-2, 3-3 etc), Italy will go through if Romania lose (by any score). In this scenario, Italy, Romania and France will be level on two points each but Italy would have scored more goals in games between the 3 teams.

Romania will finish bottom of the group if they lose and France and Italy draw 2-2, 3-3 or 4-4. France will finish bottom if they draw 1-1 unless Romania lose 3-0 or by a four-goal margin.


If France and Italy draw 0-0, Romania can lose by one goal, two goals or by a three-goal margin other than 3-0 but still qualify. In this scenario, Italy and Romania would have identical head-to-head records, but Romania would have better goal difference in ALL group matches or, in the case of the three-goal defeats, goals scored. France would finish bottom, having scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania.

If Romania lose 3-0 to the Dutch, Italy would qualify with a 0-0 draw against France because of their superior coefficient points. France would finish bottom as they would have scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania.

If Romania lose by four goals or more and the other game ends 0-0, Italy would proceed with a better overall goal difference than Romania. France would finish bottom as they would have scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania.

If France and Italy draw AND Romania avoid defeat, then Romania go through. France and Italy will have identical records and a unprecedented penalty shoot-out will decide who finishes third and fourth.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 16, 2008, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 16, 2008, 05:02:04 PM

Quote from: MacLeod on June 15, 2008, 02:02:05 AM
Sorry for my lack of, ahem, clarity regarding round 2, the Romanians and Italians.
They played each other.  Draw?

Sorry Old School, got all sortsa squirrely thinking the Romanians run the HMFC show, when its actually the Lithuanians.  I can get cryptic when my thoughts race.  My pick was the same as 83's in that case as well, Italians to win.

signed,
Universe Man
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 16, 2008, 10:08:43 PM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on June 16, 2008, 05:19:13 PM
Romania to win, Italy and France to draw 0-0 with all 22 players sent off.

Leaving the referee and linesmen to take any penalty kicks, no doubt.  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2008, 11:48:38 PM
I figured someone would figure it out - dang!  I was hoping it would go to a 3-way duel at 10-paces!  Better yet, I wanted a 3-way golden-goal OT on a triangular field! ;D 

[Reminds me of a game they play around here (don't know if it is local, or a well-known universal game) called "World Cup": There's a keeper, but otherwise everyone is playing solo.  You score, you sit and are in the next round.  Last player to not score is out.  Rounds continue until final two battle each other as simultaneously offense/defense.]

That last paragraph freaks me out - they actually would go to PKs to decide 3rd and 4th??!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 17, 2008, 11:01:02 AM
Here's the latest from the BBC.  Freak not, Ypsi--they won't go to a shootout if France and Italy are third and fourth. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2008/italy/7457863.stm

Supposedly Chelsea were preparing a £50 million bid for Torres, as well as going after Kaka.  But all of the factions of the Liverpool leadership, along with Torres himself, say he's staying put.  Nice to see some loyalty.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2008, 12:00:36 PM
I only caught the last 7-8 minutes of Germany/Austria; did Austria's defense play really well, or was Germany playing very consevatively (since even a tie would send them through)?  I was expecting more like a 3-4 goal win for the Germans.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 17, 2008, 03:53:54 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 17, 2008, 11:01:02 AM
Supposedly Chelsea were preparing a £50 million bid for Torres, as well as going after Kaka.  But all of the factions of the Liverpool leadership, along with Torres himself, say he's staying put.  Nice to see some loyalty.

I'll believe it when the summer transfer window closes.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 17, 2008, 04:50:24 PM
With 9 lineup changes and seemingly on cruise control, the Dutch still win 2 - 0. Although the Romanians had some chances, I was surprised that there seemed to be no sense of urgency on their part. Is the Netherlands that good in this tournament?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2008, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on June 17, 2008, 04:50:24 PM
With 9 lineup changes and seemingly on cruise control, the Dutch still win 2 - 0. Although the Romanians had some chances, I was surprised that there seemed to be no sense of urgency on their part. Is the Netherlands that good in this tournament?

It certainly seems that way.  Group C was generally termed the 'Group of Death'; Nederland +8, Italy -1, Romania -2, France -5! :o  The next question seems to be: will they crush Sweden or Russia in the quarters?!  (I'm gonna say Sweden 2, Russia 1; though since the Swedes advance even with a tie, 1-1 might be an option.)  Dutch 3, Swedes 1 (or, covering my ass, Dutch 4, Russians 0).

In other quarterfinals:

Croatia/Turkey: how will the Turks respond to their keeper's brainfart?  If they regroup and come out inspired, the might pull the upset, but I'll go with the Croats, 2-0.

Portugal/Germany: maybe the match of the Euros so far.  I think the Portuguese side has the talent, and the German inability to toss aside the overmatched Austrians worries me, but I'll go with the upset (if it even is that): Germany 2-1 (which would be a shame, since a Dutch-Portuguese match down the line would be highly entertaining).

Spain/Italy: is Italy back, or does France stink that badly (they scored one goal the entire tourney, though that was the only goal Nederland yielded ???)?  In loyalty to my son (the Azzuri fan), I'll say Italy 1, Spain 1, with the Italians taking it on PKs.*

*Upon further consideration, Italy beat France on a PK and a deflected (by Henry) free kick, played 11v10 most of the game, and Ribery was injured in the 7th minute - Italy is NOT (necessarily) back, and Spain will probably win.  Nonetheless, I'll leave the prediction as is out of loyalty to my son! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 17, 2008, 06:27:23 PM
Remember, too, that Italy will be without Pirlo and Gattuso for the match with Spain due to yellow cards.  I think the Spanish defense will be the key link there--if Puyol is still out and Sergio Ramos does another John Travolta imitation in front of goal (funniest line of commentary so far), the Spanish are in trouble.  Otherwise, I think they'll get past Italy.

And the Russians have been without Andrei Arshavin, who was very impressive in the UEFA Cup final last month.  If he can give them good minutes, I think they have a chance against Sweden.   

I do think the Dutch really are that good.  They actually seem to enjoy playing together, unlike the French.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2008, 06:55:59 PM
Yeah, I forgot to include the Italian card exclusions.  It should be a slam-dunk (sorry for the mixed metaphor :-[) for Spain, but historically, it is still Italy and it is still Spain.  Spain may well win it, but (even aside from son loyalty) I'd be half-way surprised if Italy doesn't somehow pull it out. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 17, 2008, 09:22:58 PM
Not real sure what John Travolta has to do with soccer, but the "It's a Dutch oven and the French.......are toast" was classic in my book.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 17, 2008, 09:26:36 PM
Once the quarterfinals are set, all you lurkers can make your picks for the rest of the tourney, including the Final Score...do it!

So far:

Portugal v Germany
Croatia v Turkey
Netherlands v Russia or Sweden
Spain v Italy
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 17, 2008, 09:27:48 PM
The Dutch were stupid to leave the Italians in the tournament.......momentum be damned.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 17, 2008, 09:28:51 PM
Sweden and Spain to win.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2008, 09:41:47 PM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on June 17, 2008, 09:27:48 PM
The Dutch were stupid to leave the Italians in the tournament.......momentum be damned.

I still say it sounds weird to hear you asking the Dutch(!) to deliberately tank! :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 17, 2008, 11:42:56 PM
They did basically bench all their starters...

France didn't help out either.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 18, 2008, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on June 17, 2008, 09:27:48 PM
The Dutch were stupid to leave the Italians in the tournament.......momentum be damned.
What else could they have done short of roll over and play dead? 9 lineup changes and I believe they used all 3 subs. That's as close to "clearing the bench" as it gets in soccer.

I think Spain will win against the Azzuri. The Italians only managed 1 goal from the field against a 10 man (and without Ribieri sp?) team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on June 18, 2008, 08:32:29 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 17, 2008, 06:27:23 PM
Remember, too, that Italy will be without Pirlo and Gattuso for the match with Spain due to yellow cards.  I think the Spanish defense will be the key link there--if Puyol is still out and Sergio Ramos does another John Travolta imitation in front of goal (funniest line of commentary so far), the Spanish are in trouble.  Otherwise, I think they'll get past Italy.


I thought the rules were changed this year, so yellow cards from the group stages do not carry forward to the knockout rounds?

Edit:   I just read the official rules and if a player had a single yellow card, it is wiped out for the knockout rounds.  2 yellow cards still results in a single game suspension.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 18, 2008, 11:43:38 AM
Short of putting the ball in your own net 3 times, your correct, there wasn't much the Dutch could do.  I watched it last night and Romania were terrible.


Group of death?  The only thing dead was the football.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 18, 2008, 03:53:22 PM
It's not like Romania were a bunch of scrubs in the first place.  They topped their qualifying group that also included the Dutch...taking 4 out of a possible 6 points from them...

Romania were the only one of the three teams (Italy and France) that controlled their own destiny.  Hardly Holland's fault for "letting Italy progress"... :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2008, 05:44:59 PM
Wow, I thought Russia had the potential to beat Sweden, but that was a great display!  Either we set the Tivo wrong or the channels got switched--we recorded Spain/Greece by mistake--but the goals were beautiful.  Too bad they meet Holland next, but a great step forward for the Russians.  (I confess to a bit of a bias, since my youngest daughter was adopted from Russia).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 18, 2008, 07:44:27 PM
The Russians kept up an amazingly frenetic pace for the entire game. The two goals were things of beauty. On the second goal a Russian was following up on the far post if the striker misses. Looking at the replay from above, they also had 3 more players following for any type of rebound. Perfect!

I saw the Swedes play Brazil in the 1994 World Cup semi-final against Brazil. What struck me about that team and this team is that thay don't defend speed well. Spain plays a slow deliberate game and it was close. They beat a slow Greek team. In '94 the Brazilians ran all around Sweden and then the Swedes beat the Bulgarians 4-0 for third.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 18, 2008, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2008, 06:07:41 PM

Portugal/Germany: maybe the match of the Euros so far.  I think the Portuguese side has the talent, and the German inability to toss aside the overmatched Austrians worries me, but I'll go with the upset (if it even is that): Germany 2-1 (which would be a shame, since a Dutch-Portuguese match down the line would be highly entertaining).

I had heard that the Germans might be without Podolski and Frings.  They are both battling injuries.  I don't think Germany can win, especially without Podolski at or near 100%.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2008, 10:20:11 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on June 18, 2008, 07:44:27 PM

I saw the Swedes play Brazil in the 1994 World Cup semi-final against Brazil. What struck me about that team and this team is that thay don't defend speed well. Spain plays a slow deliberate game and it was close.

I agree about both Sweden and Spain.  They are big, strong, and physical.  The two Spanish goals were scored 1) on a short corner, where the size difference wasn't a factor and the pass came in perfectly for Torres just to tap it in and 2)  on a counter-attack by Villa, where his foot speed left the defender behind.  The Spanish strategy of pass, pass, passing the ball played right into Sweden's hands (er, feet) most of the game.  With the speed on the Spanish side, I think they should be looking to play a more uptempo game. 
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 18, 2008, 11:49:33 PM
Quarters

Portugal, Croatia, Netherlands, Italy
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: cawcdad on June 19, 2008, 12:38:41 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 17, 2008, 09:26:36 PM
Once the quarterfinals are set, all you lurkers can make your picks for the rest of the tourney, including the Final Score...do it!

So far:

Portugal v Germany
Croatia v Turkey
Netherlands v Russia or Sweden
Spain v Italy
Portugal over Germany - This was really hard to do. I hope I'm wrong. ;D
Turkey over Croatia - Upset special, the cardiac kids do it again.
Netherlands over Russia - Should be the most entertaining game, but A Clockwork Orange prevails.
Spain over Italy - Hard to score against a team like Spain that holds the ball the way they do, especially missing key players.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 19, 2008, 06:28:33 AM
I don't know anything about anything, but how can Manchester CITY have more money to spend than AC Milan?  I guess that's what their excuse is for dropping out of the Ronaldinho chase.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 19, 2008, 06:31:20 AM
Portugal
Croatia
Netherlands
Spain (my first thoughts were Italy, but I really don't want them to win!)
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 19, 2008, 07:02:11 AM
Portugal
Croatia
Netherlands
Italy
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 19, 2008, 10:58:37 AM
Germany
Turkey
Netherlands
Italy

signed,
Tony Mowbray
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 19, 2008, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 19, 2008, 06:28:33 AM
I don't know anything about anything, but how can Manchester CITY have more money to spend than AC Milan?  I guess that's what their excuse is for dropping out of the Ronaldinho chase.

I don't know anything either, but perhaps the new owner (former president of Thailand, right?) has the resources.  And it could be an excuse.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2008, 05:20:51 PM
Wow - where did THAT German team come from?!  They must have brought in some ringers to add to the team that lost to Croatia and barely edged pathetic Austria. :D

As seems the norm for this tourney, the officials may have had a hand in the outcome, with a call and a no call.  I'm not at all convinced that Pepe was offside on his disallowed goal (51st? minute), and Ballack almost certainly got away with a shove to clear himself for the winning header.  If both calls had gone the way they certainly appeared on the tube, the final score would be reversed.

On the other hand, I predicted Germany, so what am I bitchin' about?! ::)
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: cawcdad on June 19, 2008, 05:25:23 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on June 19, 2008, 12:38:41 AM
Portugal over Germany - This was really hard to do. I hope I'm wrong. ;D
Turkey over Croatia - Upset special, the cardiac kids do it again.
Netherlands over Russia - Should be the most entertaining game, but A Clockwork Orange prevails.
Spain over Italy - Hard to score against a team like Spain that holds the ball the way they do, especially missing key players.
Well, I was wrong and I am happy about it. ;D
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 19, 2008, 05:30:59 PM
being wrong seems to be a given for me when it comes to pick'ems on this site :D.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 19, 2008, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2008, 05:20:51 PM
Wow - where did THAT German team come from?!  They must have brought in some ringers to add to the team that lost to Croatia and barely edged pathetic Austria. :D


My thoughts exactly.  I only saw, basically, the first half.  It looked as though Portugal overslept by about half an hour, especially on defense. 

What I saw made me wonder if Ronaldo's price tag might have dropped a little.  Any other opinions?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2008, 07:55:06 PM
We watched somewhat different games, since I didn't tune in until about the 30th minute (shortly after Germany's first two goals).  The announcers referred often to Portugal simply not showing up on time; seems true, since I thought they were the stronger side (though not by a large margin) for the portion of the match I saw.

Ronaldo was quite good (though not truly spectacular) while I was watching.  And, as seems his change of style, actually played futbol - most of the time - and may be suffering the effects of his earlier, whining persona: while he waited to make sure the ref was watching before beginning his death throes on one foul, there were probably 3-4 times he was fouled with no call.

I was quite looking forward to a Portugal/Nederland match, but I'm sure there will be other entertaining matchups.  Tomorrow might be a good one, or it may be two over-achieving sides reverting to form! ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2008, 11:07:15 PM
BTW, I see that Cape Verde is 2-0-1 in WC qualifying.  If they were to make it (for the first time) would they be the smallest country ever to qualify (population c. 500,000; area just larger than Rhode Island)?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2008, 12:53:50 AM
Was anyone else as impressed as I was by Podolski's shot (just wide) at c. the 80 minute mark - that may have been the hardest kick I've ever seen!

Reminded me (relatively speaking) of when it was my turn in goal in a rec coed league.  The opponents happened to have a starter from the Detroit indoor professional team.  I got both hands on his shot - didn't matter: I just got two sprained wrists and he got a goal.  To add insult to injury, as I passed off the gloves to some other sucker, his girlfriend told me he took a lot off the shot. :P  I think I'll pass if offered a chance to go aganst Podolski. ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 20, 2008, 06:58:56 AM
Was a solid shot, Ypsi.  He toed it however, hence the lack of bend or spin.  The look of surprise by the defender and the avoidance of the shot more  indicated the lack of instep as opposed to the defender's lack of fortitude.  Podolski was playing for the ricochet.  Strong leg undoubtedly, but let's see that velocity using the blades instead of the point of the foot.

regards,
Hungary (1954, May 23rd)

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 20, 2008, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 19, 2008, 05:58:58 PM

What I saw made me wonder if Ronaldo's price tag might have dropped a little.  Any other opinions?

Absolute lazy defending on the Klose goal. Good riddance!

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 20, 2008, 05:20:16 PM
Holy crap!

Turkish goalie takes a stroll in the park and Croatia scores in the 119th minute.  Game, set, match, right?  Wrong!  Turkey comes back and floats the ball into the box and then drops down perfectly for a screamer from the edge of the box to send it to PKs!  Wow.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 20, 2008, 05:43:23 PM
Holy Cow! In the pick 'em thread I called the Turks the cardiac kids. Boy are they ever. They can't seem to play / score unless they are down and have their back to the wall. Simply amazing. :o
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: cawcdad on June 20, 2008, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on June 19, 2008, 12:38:41 AM
Portugal over Germany - This was really hard to do. I hope I'm wrong. ;D
Turkey over Croatia - Upset special, the cardiac kids do it again.
Netherlands over Russia - Should be the most entertaining game, but A Clockwork Orange prevails.
Spain over Italy - Hard to score against a team like Spain that holds the ball the way they do, especially missing key players.
Got this one correct.  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 20, 2008, 05:54:35 PM
Unbelievable!

I'd say Turkey are toast (er, roasted) against Germany, but then I said that about today's match. 

What a tournament!
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 20, 2008, 05:58:12 PM
Rats!  I just saw this board. 

Although I don't expect any credit, I voted for Germany over Portugal on the ESPN board.  I would have picked Croatia today, though.

I expect Holland-Russia to be very entertaining, with Holland prevailing, and I think Spain will take Italy.  (And I would love to see the Russians win!)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 20, 2008, 06:29:22 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the Turkish coach works things out. I caught the tail end of the 1st ET period, all of the 2nd, and the PK shootout, and the announcers were indicating that there'll be a boatload of players unavailable for the Germany match due to No. of yellow cards accumulated
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 21, 2008, 11:55:45 PM
I don't understand the yellow card situation.  I thought they all started from scratch after group play.  So, what's up with that?

I don't like Spain's odds.  Group winners Croatia, Portugal and Netherlands are all out.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2008, 12:54:49 AM
I think I read somewhere (maybe here, but I'm too lazy to look back several pages!) that yellow cards carry over to the quarters, but start fresh with the semis.

Spain's stuation depends on how you want to look at the odds.  Certainly in this tourney, group winners seem doomed, but I wonder if there has EVER been a tourney where NO group winner advanced?  (And is it too late to retract my Nederland 4, Russia 0 prediction? :P)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 22, 2008, 11:18:19 AM
I suppose that would make sense...to prevent from missing out on the final because of yellow cards accumulation.  Soccernet says there might have to be an emergency meating if the injury crisis for the Turks worsens.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2008, 11:21:26 AM
Woo hoo, how 'bout them Russians!  That was an amazing match.  I started out thinking I'd be happy no matter who won, but by added time it was clear that the Russians deserved it.  It would have been a shame had it gone to penalties, because they were clearly still creating, whereas the Dutch looked out of gas before the 90 minutes were up.

I didn't see the second yellow on Kolodin at all--it didn't even look like much of a foul!  Good thing the ball was out of bounds before the call was made.  The announcer said that the linesman might have saved the official some embarassment, and I think that was right.  All in all, it was a well officiated match.

The announcers mentioned what would happen about cards--I think cards from qualifying carried over into the group stage and ones now carry over up to the final, when it gets reset.  I could be wrong on that, though, and I can't find it right now. 

The Turks are desperately short of players--they had 15 going into the Croatia match, and three picked up yellows to disqualify them for the Germany match.  Plus, about four people are hurt (including Nihat).  They may make an appeal to UEFA to call up more players.  It doesn't look good for Turkey, but they seem to thrive under those circumstances.

I don't see why other group winners losing should have any effect on Spain's chances.  I doubt there's any chance they'll take a match with Italy lightly!  Italy have not looked impressive so far--but there is a history of success at this level on Italy's part, and very little on the part of Spain.  The Spanish defense is the biggest question.  I think it will be close, and I'm going with Spain.

But I think the Russians have a serious shot at winning the entire tournament!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2008, 11:22:49 AM
Oops, sorry Tom, we overlapped!   :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2008, 05:29:33 PM
Spain survives, 0-0, 4-2.

I like good defensive games, but this was more bad offense than good defense, further marred by perhaps the worst officiating yet.  I've always thought yellow cards for dissent should be given out only in extreme circumstances - the OT yellow for what was under the circumstances pretty mild dissent (after all, the officials HAD clearly blown it, and losing a chance at a corner with 7 minutes left in a scoreless match IS pretty aggravating) was to me, at least, likely a case of a thin-skinned official trying to cover his ass when he knew he was wrong.  Shameful to blow such as obvious call; more shameful to 'retaliate' against the wronged player. >:(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 22, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
This game was precisely why I can stand the Italian tactics. 3 times the went down with an "injury" while Spain was counter attacking (much like the US group game in the '06 WC).    Even the ref stopped the game at a couple points. Just brutal stuff.  Thank god Spain won.  Iker is a stud.

Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: sac on June 22, 2008, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on June 18, 2008, 11:49:33 PM
Quarters

Portugal, Croatia, Netherlands, Italy

Perfect for the quarters.........0-4 :P


Germany, Spain to win
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 22, 2008, 07:28:29 PM
el boringo and la snoozerilla.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2008, 07:28:55 PM
Yeah, a couple of those fake injuries were more deserving of yellow ('delay of game') than was the dissent - especially since the ref added NO stoppage time to compensate for the stalling.  (Or is stoppage time not allowed in OT?)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2008, 09:03:14 PM
Yawn....best quote of the night:  "If this had been a bullfight, the bull would have died of boredom."   (London Telegraph).

I thank the "football gods" that Spain prevailed.  This was the kind of match that makes a lot of Americans hate "soccer," and who can blame them?  It's a measure of how good this tournament has been that we haven't seen any other matches like this yet.

Andy Grey, the TV commentator, made an interesting comment that some refs hesitate to make the big calls in the box precisely because they are in the box in a match like this. That seemed the case today.

Why Fernando Torres was pulled in favor of Guiza is a mystery to me.  Oh well, it worked out in the end. 

Russia v. Spain is going to be a corker!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 22, 2008, 10:50:21 PM
Quote from: Stinger on June 22, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
This game was precisely why I can stand the Italian tactics. 3 times the went down with an "injury" while Spain was counter attacking (much like the US group game in the '06 WC).    Even the ref stopped the game at a couple points. Just brutal stuff.  Thank god Spain won.  Iker is a stud.

Why you CAN'T stand the Italian tactics?

Glad Spain came through.  They deserved it and actually tried to play offense.
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 22, 2008, 10:51:08 PM
Germany and Spain as well...not that I'm really keeping track! lol
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 22, 2008, 11:00:21 PM
Oh yeah, after watching 120 minutes of goalless soccer, I decided to throw in my recently purchased "Fergie's 2000 Goals"!!!!

It starts when Ferguson took over Manchester United midway through the 1986 season.  Admittedly, I didn't start watching United until about '89 thanks to the long gone Sports Channel America that showed English soccer.  Anyway, I still recall some of those "old school" names like Viv Anderson, Gordon Strachen and one of my all-time favorites, Brian Mc Clair.  Still looking forward to Danny Wallace and my favorite player ever to wear the United jersey, Mark Hughes...

After the those 12 hours or so of watching those goals, I still have last year's Season In Review and this year's recently released Double Winners video.  All three videos cost enough not to tell the future wife, but well worth the price! lol

Anyway, I'm up to the first 100 goals or so...figure I have until Wednesday to watch it before the first semi-final.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2008, 02:23:56 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 22, 2008, 10:50:21 PM
Quote from: Stinger on June 22, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
This game was precisely why I can stand the Italian tactics. 3 times the went down with an "injury" while Spain was counter attacking (much like the US group game in the '06 WC).    Even the ref stopped the game at a couple points. Just brutal stuff.  Thank god Spain won.  Iker is a stud.

Why you CAN'T stand the Italian tactics?

Glad Spain came through.  They deserved it and actually tried to play offense.

Not sure I agree that Spain deserved to win, but they certainly deserved losing less than Italy!  I think a majority of Americans over the age of 12 will never take to futbol, but for those who are reachable (and the future of children), could all tapes of this game be burned?! ::)
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2008, 02:37:08 AM
Would love to see the 'cardiac kids' win, but Turkey is SO injured and/or disqualified, I just can't go that far - Germany to the finals.

Guus Hiddink is God; Andrei Arshavin is his Son (is that enough blasphemy for the old Soviet Union? ;D).  My head says Spain is too strong for the upstarts, but I've got a hunch that Russia will go through.

OMG, would they move the final to Stalingrad?! :D

Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 23, 2008, 06:00:40 AM
Going right with the flow: 

Germany:  (Don't think Turkey's got another shocker in them).

Spain: 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 23, 2008, 06:03:54 AM
More World Cup Qualifier Finals: (leg 2)

USA 1, Barbados 0.

Mexico 7, Belize 0. Rout! (Borgetti-2 goals)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 23, 2008, 06:23:51 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 22, 2008, 10:50:21 PM
Quote from: Stinger on June 22, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
This game was precisely why I can stand the Italian tactics. 3 times the went down with an "injury" while Spain was counter attacking (much like the US group game in the '06 WC).    Even the ref stopped the game at a couple points. Just brutal stuff.  Thank god Spain won.  Iker is a stud.

Why you CAN'T stand the Italian tactics?



Yeah, My bad. Awful typo there.  I though it pure karma that Casillas stopped Di Natale on the Italians last PK. 

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 23, 2008, 09:21:32 AM
Quote from: Stinger on June 23, 2008, 06:23:51 AM
I though it pure karma that Casillas stopped Di Natale on the Italians last PK. 
Ha!  That's exactly what I was thinking when his shot was saved!  I thought how's that for karma coming back to bite you in your arse?!  8)

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2008, 09:03:14 PM

I thank the "football gods" that Spain prevailed.  This was the kind of match that makes a lot of Americans hate "soccer," and who can blame them?  It's a measure of how good this tournament has been that we haven't seen any other matches like this yet.

This also confirmed why so many Americans hate Italian "soccer".  ::)  It's no wonder their defense is always so set.  No one can counter on them when play is continuously stopped because their players are faking injuries.  Thank God Spain prevailed in the shootout because I don't think I could stand watching those bush league Italians for another match?!

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 23, 2008, 11:52:22 AM

I'm rooting for Russia from here on out.  I love the Dutch, but those young Russians were incredible; if Guus isn't the best coach of all time, I don't know who would be.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 23, 2008, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 23, 2008, 09:21:32 AM
This also confirmed why so many Americans hate Italian "soccer".  ::)  It's no wonder their defense is always so set.  No one can counter on them when play is continuously stopped because their players are faking injuries. 

It was particularly galling when the ref repeatedly blew the whistle to stop play in that situation.  As Andy Grey said at the time, that's not his brief.  Yeah, the Italians' karma came back to bite 'em in the butt with the save on di Natale's PK.

I wish Spain-Russia were the final match.  I'll be torn on who to support in that one, and I'm for the winner of that match in the final.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 23, 2008, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on June 23, 2008, 06:03:54 AM
More World Cup Qualifier Finals: (leg 2)

USA 1, Barbados 0.

Mexico 7, Belize 0. Rout! (Borgetti-2 goals)

I think we could put together 11 posters and beat Belize...maybe not 7-nil, but we'd hold them to a draw! lol
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: cawcdad on June 23, 2008, 05:54:19 PM
I went 2-2, but was happy about one of the wrong picks. For the Semifinals: Germany has too much for the beaten and battered (and disqualified) Turks. Spain will bet Russia. The Russians can't mount counter attacks if the Spaniards have the ball 90% of the time playing keep away. :D
Title: Re: Euro 08 pick em league
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 23, 2008, 09:10:53 PM
Well, football or futbol, still boils down to what have you done for me lately and dance with the gurl you brung.

Germany in the aggregate of skill, size and experience trumps Turkey.  While heart might be a push in this game have to go with Turkey for the "it" factor.  Just believe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Been picking each and both game in and game out and have to go back to the second game of groups for Germany to have let me down lately.  So, the nod's for Turkey, even if they have to field eight or (assuming Nihat plays on a bum hip) nine men.  My favorite Scot seems to think they'll allow the Turks to replace the injured players but not the carded players, we'll see.  Should this criteria be used would Nihat try to make a go?  For hybrid crtieria there's a pungent square for Nihat's manager to consider, roster the man that gives you playmaking ability or the man that brings you health and hence stamina.

As for the other quarter, don't really have a dog in this fight as Spain and Russia are in a deadheat for what they have done for me lately, which dates back to the last of groups.

Credited our group (or was it Smith postgame?) for having relayed to my Scot, "to beat the Dutch run right at them."  The Scot credited us regardless, as he noted the Russians as relayed running right at them.  This isn't the plan the Supreme Soviets should employ against the Spaniards.  Play set pieces and try to obfuscate the Spanish triangulation keep away.  Still, the weakness of the Dutch, inability to turn hips, is the common strength here and believe will determine this match with slight advantage given Spain.  ;)

signed,
WC 1966
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 24, 2008, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 23, 2008, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on June 23, 2008, 06:03:54 AM
More World Cup Qualifier Finals: (leg 2)

USA 1, Barbados 0.

Mexico 7, Belize 0. Rout! (Borgetti-2 goals)

I think we could put together 11 posters and beat Belize...maybe not 7-nil, but we'd hold them to a draw! lol

Belize isn't that bad (although I imagine we could find some talented posters).  We have to remember the US score was 1-0 because they were already up 8-0 on aggregate and sent most of the regulars home and sat the rest on the bench.  Those small countries do quite well for their size and level of funding.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 24, 2008, 08:35:40 PM
FIFA rankings  http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=m/fullranking.html#confederation=0&rank=170

Belize #172

Barbados #121

I don't think either will be going up.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2008, 08:52:59 PM
Wow - Austria #92.  I knew they were bad, but didn't realize they were below Trinidad and Guatemala, Bahrain and Oman (among other 'powers')!  Even playing their scrubs (if they did), Germany winning only 1-0 looks bad (though now also irrelevant). ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 25, 2008, 10:19:53 AM

Yeah, Austria cannot be happier with how well they played in their own tournament.  There was even a petition going around in Austria not to allow them to play so as to avoid embarrassing the country.  The fact that they were still alive going into the third group match is a testament to a team performing at their best.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2008, 04:56:57 PM
Curses to you, Mother Nature!  Best game of the tourney, and lightning knocked out the feed for many of the best parts! :(  (If anyone hears of ESPN, or anyone else, rerunning the game, please announce.)

Germany goes through, 3-2.  They went up in the 75th(?) minute, Turkey (of course!) came back in about the 86th minute, then Germany won in in the 90th - and the feed was out for all three goals!

The officiating overall was not bad (at least when the game could be viewed!), but there were two incredibly awful no calls that could have decided the game (at least, they screwed each team equally! ;D).  In the 50th, a German was body-slammed in the box (definitely worthy of a yellow) - no call.  In the 70th, a Turk was pulled down in the box (easy to miss - his jersey was only pulled back about three feet! ::)) - no call.  Clearly both should have been PKs.  NO ref (or linesman) should EVER have missed either call.

Still, a marvelous game.  Hats off to both the Germans and the Turks (especially the Turks for playing over 8 missing starters).

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 25, 2008, 05:02:05 PM
Craziness.

Its going to be on ESPN Classic at 5pm........no idea if they can clear up the missing parts.

It will be replayed at 1:30am tonight on ESPN2........worth it if they can get the missing footage.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espntv/espnGuide
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 25, 2008, 06:00:42 PM
What an incredible game. The Germans started slow but got a wakeup call with the first Turkish goal. Then the game went end to end. WOW! A fun match to watch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2008, 06:47:26 PM
What team is the biggest surprise of the tourney?

I'll probably vote Russia, IF they avenge their loss to Spain.  Otherwise, gotta be Turkey (especially playing so short-handed).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2008, 07:05:33 PM
That was an incredible game yet again for Turkey.  Too bad--they really deserved to win.  I agree about the two bad no-calls, but at least it was one each way.  It was otherwise a really cleanly called game, I thought. 

I think it's a tossup between the two teams, Russia and Turkey, for most surprising.  I noticed Arshavin in the UEFA Cup Final and I knew they'd be better when he came back, but I didn't expect so dramatic an improvement. 

My sentiments are completely torn about tomorrow's game.  I'm definitely for the winner tomorrow in the final.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 26, 2008, 03:58:46 PM
Unfortunately, I think Germany will win, regardless of who they play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 26, 2008, 04:50:16 PM
Man, I have got Russia pegged! ::)  I picked Swden to beat them, Nederlands to trounce them, then Russia to upset Spain.  Now is not the time for a Vegas visit! :-[

But I've been doing tolerably well on my other picks, so I'll stick my neck out again: Germany has the experience and the 'efficiency', but Spain is on a roll - Spain 2-1.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 26, 2008, 05:59:06 PM
Germany 3-2...but I do want Spain to win.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 26, 2008, 06:50:11 PM
Germany.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 29, 2008, 02:05:05 AM
Turkey....somehow they'll find a way.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 29, 2008, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on June 29, 2008, 02:05:05 AM
Turkey....somehow they'll find a way.

Good one, Sac! :D

Prediction:  Ballack will play.  Still, I pick Spain in normal time, 2-1.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 29, 2008, 11:48:04 AM
the BBC reports that Das Bild reports (whew!) that Ballack will play.   

Can you tell I'm trying to avoid working? :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2008, 05:04:21 PM
Wow - a final that actually lived up to expectations! ;)

It's a tribute to Germany's survival instincts (and some luck) that they were still in position to win right to the end.  Spain could easily have scored 3 or 4 goals in the second half.  I can't recall the last time a team so totally dominated offensively and defensively without scoring a goal!  Torres's goal was truly a thing of beauty, but it amazes me that it held up all by itself.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 29, 2008, 05:26:25 PM
It's a shame to see that tournament end.  Lots of good football moments.

I was thinking that my prediction was just about right until about the 60th minute, when I began to realize that Germany just wasn't doing it.  Still, there had to be a lot of nerves on the Spanish side.

Hard to know where to give the MVP--Casillas, Villa, Torres, Puyol, the entire midfield.  I was eventually won over to the Spanish style of play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 29, 2008, 06:54:04 PM

I thought it was a thoroughly boring final.  It was hard fought, but the teams were uneven.  It was still a great tournament.  Now we can begin the count down to the World Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 29, 2008, 07:43:35 PM
Thought Germany looked out of sync offensively for most of the match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2008, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 29, 2008, 06:54:04 PM

I thought it was a thoroughly boring final.  It was hard fought, but the teams were uneven.  It was still a great tournament.  Now we can begin the count down to the World Cup.

While I agree that Spain totally dominated, I thought it was still an excellent game.  Given the past histories of both country's teams, I was almost surprised that Spain's lack of a put-away goal didn't end up costing it the match (which, if they couldn't win after THAT domination, might well have put the hex on them for another 44 years ;D).

Bring on Argentina and Brazil! :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: cawcdad on June 29, 2008, 08:40:31 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on June 29, 2008, 07:43:35 PM
Thought Germany looked out of sync offensively for most of the match.
Except for one game in group play, I thought Germany looked out of sync for the tournament. Still played well  enough on set pieces to win most of their games. Although rooting for the Germans, Spain was truely the better team in an entertaining match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 30, 2008, 07:10:53 PM
I will have to say that it was nice to have Andy Gray as the commentator, instead of the overrated Tommy Smyth, who doesn't ever seem having anything intelligent to tell the actual soccer fans.  Smyth likes to talk about the obvious and his only catch phrase is "putting the ball in the 'ol onion bag"...I like Gray and his descriptions of plays, players and insights. 

I'm not so sure many people outside of the soccer world watched the final, but it was more enjoyable to listen to Gray.  I think if a casual fan tuned in, he/she might actually learn something about the game listening to him, IMO.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 03, 2008, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 30, 2008, 07:10:53 PM
I will have to say that it was nice to have Andy Gray as the commentator, instead of the overrated Tommy Smyth, who doesn't ever seem having anything intelligent to tell the actual soccer fans.  Smyth likes to talk about the obvious and his only catch phrase is "putting the ball in the 'ol onion bag"...I like Gray and his descriptions of plays, players and insights. 

I'm not so sure many people outside of the soccer world watched the final, but it was more enjoyable to listen to Gray.  I think if a casual fan tuned in, he/she might actually learn something about the game listening to him, IMO.

I agree.  I also missed Rob Stone in the studio.  He's made a career being a knowledgable studio MC for soccer only to be replaced for Reece Davis in the Euro Final?  Stoner better have been in the hospital.  Davis was disappointing; with Smyth and Foudy out there they need someone who can keep things moving and not look nervous the whole time.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2008, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 03, 2008, 09:28:16 AM
...with Smyth and Foudy out there they need someone who can keep things moving and not look nervous the whole time.

Julie Foudy nervous?  I didn't see that at all, and I loved her "axis" illustrations.  I thought she was a plus.  I've never cared much for Tommy Smyth and his "old onion bag." 

Agree that Andy Grey was great.  He wasn't afraid to say so when plays or calls were questionable. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 03, 2008, 04:00:33 PM
He also wasn't afraid to throw a player under the bus, saying things like, "He really should've done better..."  "The goalie was out of position..."  "Where was the defense..." etc. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 10, 2008, 08:30:48 PM
Blatter is an idiot (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=554472&sec=england&cc=5901)

My opinion is that if a player doesn't want to play for you, let him leave, for a price.  On the other hand, the PLAYER signed a CONTRACT and now he wants to leave.  It's hardly modern slavery since he VOLUNTARILY signed a contract and is getting PAID to do so.  That's what transfer fees are for.  If Real want him so bad and if Ronaldo wants to play for them, I agree with Blatter, let him leave, but there's gotta be some kind of penalty.  Football players get fined every day when the "hold out"...On top of a transfer fee, there's also got to be some kind of fine. 

I'm just really annoyed by Real Madrid publicly undermining United and then later saying, "Oh yeah, we won't act on anything until the team decides what to do with Ronaldo..."  It's like they NEVER even hinted that they wanted Ronaldo.  What a joke.


United and UEFA response (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=554493&sec=europe&cc=5901)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 11, 2008, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 03, 2008, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on June 30, 2008, 07:10:53 PM
I will have to say that it was nice to have Andy Gray as the commentator, instead of the overrated Tommy Smyth, who doesn't ever seem having anything intelligent to tell the actual soccer fans.  Smyth likes to talk about the obvious and his only catch phrase is "putting the ball in the 'ol onion bag"...I like Gray and his descriptions of plays, players and insights. 

I'm not so sure many people outside of the soccer world watched the final, but it was more enjoyable to listen to Gray.  I think if a casual fan tuned in, he/she might actually learn something about the game listening to him, IMO.

I agree.  I also missed Rob Stone in the studio.  He's made a career being a knowledgable studio MC for soccer only to be replaced for Reece Davis in the Euro Final?  Stoner better have been in the hospital.  Davis was disappointing; with Smyth and Foudy out there they need someone who can keep things moving and not look nervous the whole time.

I thought Rece Davis was fantastic - he gave the show a level of professionalism that Rob Stone is unable to do.

Rece is respected as ESPN and even though he doesn't have a background in soccer, he did his homework and was well prepared and did a great job moderating the soccer analysts.

I would love to see Davis replace Stone for the big events.  Stone is too ra-ra for me and is an embarassment to the sport.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2008, 06:28:01 PM

Rece Davis didn't know anything other than what names to throw out there.  He was lost when they were talking strategy and had no insight about future professional locations for the rising stars.

Rob Stone knows football and he fits right in there.  We don't need non-partisan halftime hosts, leave that for Sportscenter.  Stone is the only reason I even watch the halftime analysis.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 11, 2008, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 11, 2008, 06:28:01 PM

Rece Davis didn't know anything other than what names to throw out there.  He was lost when they were talking strategy and had no insight about future professional locations for the rising stars.

Rob Stone knows football and he fits right in there.  We don't need non-partisan halftime hosts, leave that for Sportscenter.  Stone is the only reason I even watch the halftime analysis.

We can agree to disagree :)

I just share the same opinion with these folks about Rece: http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=707049

and grant wahl, who I think is the best US soccer writer
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/208819

I'm sure there are others who feel the same way about Stone that I do, in fact there is a debate here :
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144087

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on July 16, 2008, 08:21:34 AM
No shock here but Spain hired Vicente Del Bosque as its new National Team coach yesterday on a 2 year contract. Del Bosque was uber successful in the 4 years he was at Real Madrid with 2 Liga crowns, 2 Champions Leagues, and 1 Euro Super Cup title.  Why he was fired is beyond me. He was the only coach that succeeded in the  Los Galacticos era.

I look forward to watching this team go through WC '10 qualifying now that the monkey is off the back.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 17, 2008, 10:29:11 PM

Avarshin to Arsenal?  If it happens, I think it's a wonderful fit.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 29, 2008, 01:27:27 AM
Liverpool pay 20 mill for Keane?.........not that Keane in his prime the other Keane.  .........and they won't pony up for Barry?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 29, 2008, 10:59:18 AM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on July 29, 2008, 01:27:27 AM
Liverpool pay 20 mill for Keane?.........not that Keane in his prime the other Keane.  .........and they won't pony up for Barry?

Robbie Keane has always been one of my favorite strikers.  He's versatile--he can move with the ball as well as be a target.  He knows when to pass off and when to shoot.  He's got stamina, he's not fragile, and he's 28--not past his prime.    He's a 20-goal-a-year guy and he's also a leader.  What's not to like?  I'm absolutely thrilled.  He'll be great with Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt, and Babel.

There's no real comparison between him and Roy Keane--they are (were) different players.  But Roy was always a little over the edge toward thugginess for my taste (even before I was a comfirmed Liverpool supporter).  Plus, don't forget that Sir Alex flatly refuses to let players leave Old Trafford for Anfield--witness Heinze in recent years.

It's not a question of Liverpool not "ponying up" for Barry.  The last I heard AV wanted 18 mil and the offer was 16.5 plus some other negotiations (there were also possible deals for Xabi Alonso and Steve Finnan that seem to have fallen through.)  Barry told Martin O'Neill he wanted to go to Liverpool, he officially requested a transfer, and O'Neill has responded by not letting him report, rejecting several proposals, and blasting everyone in the press.  He seems determined that if Barry doesn't want to play for him, he won't play for anyone.  I can understand being annoyed, but if a quality player wants to leave, it seems it only makes sense to try to get something out of the deal and move on.

I'm absolutely thrilled that Liverpool have THIS Keane, and I hope that the Barry deal still goes through, for everyone's sake.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 30, 2008, 11:00:38 PM
I'm aware of THIS Keane and his prowess...........I just can't believe he's worth that much.  We shall see.


Given the circumstances surrounding the Barry saga, perhaps Liverpool just gave up and went for Keane.  Stay tuned I guess.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 31, 2008, 08:27:55 AM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on July 30, 2008, 11:00:38 PM
I'm aware of THIS Keane and his prowess...........I just can't believe he's worth that much.  We shall see.

Given the circumstances surrounding the Barry saga, perhaps Liverpool just gave up and went for Keane.  Stay tuned I guess.

I agree about the amount of money being thrown about.  David Bentley to Spurs for £15mil?  Pavlyuchenko and Arshavin also to Spurs for £50mil???  The first is almost a done deal, the second a rumor from several sources. 

In this climate, for a proven, top-five or six striker with versatility and a great work ethic, I'm fine with £20 million for Robbie Keane.  But, as you say, only time will tell. :)

Meanwhile, the headlines this morning say "Barry's Liverpool move still on."  Stay tuned, indeed! 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 20, 2008, 03:22:03 PM
No opinions about the opening weekend of the EPL???

Chelsea looks like they made quite the statement with their 4-0 thrashing of Pompey.

Scolari looks to be making an immediate impact for the Blues.

ManU looked less than impressive in their 1-1 draw at home to Newcastle.

And it looked like Arsenal and Liverpool were both fortunate to come away with 3 points against lesser opponents.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 20, 2008, 03:42:09 PM
Too much Michael Phelps and gymnastics drama to watch much EPL, I'm afraid. 

Your take looks about right, SF.  The Liverpool match was the only one I saw.  Although the Reds narrowly deserved the win, I thought Sunderland played very well.  If not for a moment of brilliance from Torres, Roy Keane's side would have had a well-earned draw.

I am less than impressed with the choice of John Terry (again) as England captain.  I don't question his desire and resolve, but I think he's been the worst in the league at not showing respect for officials.  What do others think?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 20, 2008, 08:22:12 PM
Here's my take on the German league after Week 1 action.

Hamburg and Bayern Munich played to a 2-2 draw. Hamburg ran into a banged up Munich squad which had several starters out, and took advantage.

Stuttgart looked good beating newly promoted Borussia Moenchengladbach.

Was hoping Werder Bremen would do better than draw in their opener.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 28, 2008, 02:09:40 PM
After qualifying by the skin of their teeth, Liverpool deserved a group like this one in the Champions league.

PSV Eindhoven, Marseille and Atletico Madrid.   Haven't they played Marseille 3 years in a row now?  No big guns, and surely even the slow starting Liverpool have to be considered favs but who knows.

Then there's Arsenal, who crushed their qualifying opponent and they get Porto and a trip to Ukraine and Turkey with Dynamo Kiev and Fenerbache.

Real Madrid and Juventus in the same group, won't matter much with the other opponents but still should be interesting.

........and I'll put money down right now ESPN gives us both ManU/Celtic games.

Here's what the BBC has to say about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7584644.stm
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 28, 2008, 02:30:18 PM
Actually, the BBC seems to think that the Liverpool group is a tough one.  At this point, they are just fortunate to be in the pool at all.  Sometime this season it would be great to score a goal before the 85th minute, let alone the 118th!  Maybe Gerrard's surgery, and the return of Mascherano from the Olympics, will help.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 28, 2008, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on August 28, 2008, 02:30:18 PM
Actually, the BBC seems to think that the Liverpool group is a tough one.  At this point, they are just fortunate to be in the pool at all.  Sometime this season it would be great to score a goal before the 85th minute, let alone the 118th!  Maybe Gerrard's surgery, and the return of Mascherano from the Olympics, will help.

Yeah, it just lacks the "oh my god they have to play (insert Italian or Spanish giant here)" factor.  At the very least my non-European football obsessed and less informed self has to believe its an even but competitive group.  No easy ones.   I hope we get to see a couple of those games.

The most interesting one has to be the one at Atletico Madrid........nice homecoming for Torres.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 28, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
The English teams are popular in the US.  Obviously, we'll get both Man U/Celtic games, and why not?  They'll get ratings, as would Chelsea and Liverpool.

If you don't like Man U., it's like getting Yankees/Red Sox on ESPN the 13 times they play each other during the year. 

I enjoy watching the pace and skill of the EPL on FSC...so much so that I don't even bother watching MLS, unless I need a nap.  It's sad that I say that because I should support MLS, but it's painful to watch at times.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 29, 2008, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on August 28, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
The English teams are popular in the US.  Obviously, we'll get both Man U/Celtic games, and why not?  They'll get ratings, as would Chelsea and Liverpool.

If you don't like Man U., it's like getting Yankees/Red Sox on ESPN the 13 times they play each other during the year. 

I enjoy watching the pace and skill of the EPL on FSC...so much so that I don't even bother watching MLS, unless I need a nap.  It's sad that I say that because I should support MLS, but it's painful to watch at times.

Didn't mean it to sound like a bad thing.  Just thought it would be a no brainer for ESPN.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 08, 2008, 11:55:59 AM
Another on-site report--this time from Chile.  Saw the first half of the Chile-Brazil WC qualifier on TV last night. (I'm an astronomer, and I'm currently sitting at a mountaintop observatory in the Andes, waiting for the clouds to clear).  I watched in a common room surrounded by fanatical Chilenos, so my sympathies will be obvious.

For the first 15 minutes, Chile completely outplayed Brazil.  Utterly.  Their passing was sharp, almost Spain-like in precision.  They had a great open shot when Mark Gonzalez (played for Liverpool a couple of years ago) took it down the left side and crossed to a wide-open teammate on the right.  He was almost too open--the shot went over the goal from very close range.  Brazil looked disorganized and thuggy.  They earned several fouls, and finally a yellow card was given for a high spike that caught a Chilean knee (it looked intentional).  Then, the Brasilenos complained so much that another yellow was given for dissent.  The refs didn't have headset mics, so the whole thing took a while.  As play resumed I was thinking "I hope Chile hasn't gone off the boil," and instantly a Chilean defender got beat and gave up a free kick right in front of the goal.  The wall shielded the keeper's view, and Ronaldinho's kick was deflected in.  No chance for a save.  A few minutes later another defender got beat, and there was an obvious penalty called against Chile.  Ronaldinho took one of the worst penalty shots I have ever seen--he started from the left of the ball, making it look pretty obvious not only that he was going right-footed but that he was going to try to bend it to the left--and he telegraphed the motion with his eyes.  Not to take away from the Chilean keeper--he made a great save, and my mates were cheering wildly.  But then, off a Brazilian counterattack, the defense got beat yet again and Robinho put it away.  Desolation in the room.  I left at the half to watch the skies--they never cleared--and the final was 3-0. 

If Chile had quicker defenders and a bit more size, they'd be contenders.  The skill level is very high.  And it's always entertaining to watch a match here.  Wish I'd seen them against another side.  And I hope it clears up!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 11, 2008, 08:21:47 AM
9-10 Final:

Mexico 4, Canada 1.

Omar Bravo came on as a sub and scored 1 of the goals.

(Wonder what kind of milestone Mexico's C Blanco reached. After the match ended there was a huge banner produced in his honor, he was wearing a red wristband/armband, etc.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 11, 2008, 09:32:05 AM
Other WCQ finals of note:

The US rolled over T&T 3-0.  Bradley, Dempsey and Ching were the goal scorers.

England thumped Croatia to the tune of 4-1!  Theo Walcott recorded a hat trick in the win!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 11, 2008, 12:17:22 PM
Re:  the performance by England against Croatia, on the BBC:

"The Large Hadron Collider has been turned on, and we're in a parallel universe, one where England are good at football.  There can be no other explanation."  :D

Chile beat Colombia 4-0 last night, but since it was clear, I don't know anyone who watched the match.  In the afternoon, the procession of the team bus to the National Stadium was carried on live TV, with an actual match (Uruguay-Ecuador) reduced to a tiny box on the side.  Interesting to see how other countries cover football.  I can call it that here, can't I?  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 12, 2008, 04:02:59 PM
I would have no problem selling Ronaldo to Man. City for 135 million pounds.  That would amuse me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 13, 2008, 12:41:29 PM
After a tough loss today at Anfield, I heard that Manchester United has officially conceded the championship, now 6 points adrift in the league standings.  I believe they will just "play out" the season with the only modivation being fighting for 1st team playing time! lol  ;D >:( :-[ :'(

With the league championship already lost, they will sell Ronaldo to City for 150 million pounds during the January Transfer window to help City avoid relegation!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 15, 2008, 12:10:44 AM
If Man City really wants to spend that much money maybe they should just buy all of Newcastle United.  Its for sale.

FSN is showing Everton and Stoke as their replay game this week.  >:(  (even though I read it was a dramatic win)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 17, 2008, 02:26:33 AM
Saw Chelsea for the first time today, they look really solid.....seem to be playing with more desire to score goals.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 19, 2008, 10:15:20 AM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on September 17, 2008, 02:26:33 AM
Saw Chelsea for the first time today, they look really solid.....seem to be playing with more desire to score goals.
Yeah, I feel that the hiring of Scolari is going to pay HUGE dividends for the Blues!  The Blues have always been solid in the back.  And now if they start scoring to their capabilities, look out...  :o

I know it's only Sept. but this game between Chelsea and United almost feels like a must win for the Red Devils.  I think United at the very least need to come away with a point. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on September 19, 2008, 11:04:30 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on September 19, 2008, 10:15:20 AM

I know it's only Sept. but this game between Chelsea and United almost feels like a must win for the Red Devils.  I think United at the very least need to come away with a point. 

I agree with that assessment.  Beyond the first three minutes last Saturday, Man U were completely outplayed by Liverpool (minus Torres and Gerrard).  The match wasn't as close as the 2-1 score seems to indicate.  Sir Alex is quoted on the front page of the BBC website as saying he's not concerned--usually a reliable sign that they're really concerned!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 21, 2008, 01:22:29 PM
I'm not concerned yet.

Man U takes a 1-0 lead vs. Chelsea but can't hold it as the Blues come back and level it with 11 minutes to go.

Again, I'm not concerned yet.  I would've liked to get 2 or 3 points out of two away games to Anfield and Stamford Bridge in back to back league games, but there is a long way to go.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 25, 2008, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on September 21, 2008, 01:22:29 PM
I'm not concerned yet.

Man U takes a 1-0 lead vs. Chelsea but can't hold it as the Blues come back and level it with 11 minutes to go.

Again, I'm not concerned yet.  I would've liked to get 2 or 3 points out of two away games to Anfield and Stamford Bridge in back to back league games, but there is a long way to go.

Yeah.  That's why I was wondering if that game really should've been considered a must win for ManU.  So far, ManU has one point in 2 matches involving the big 4.  Granted, they were both road fixtures and their first match with Arsenal will also be on the road leaving them 3 home dates vs. the big 4 later in the season when points will really be crucial. 

I think that ManU will be happy to have gotten out of the Bridge with a point and will probably be happy with a point when they visit the Emirates in early November. 

I will say this.  ManU cannot afford to drop many more points behind Chelsea, because I don't see the Blues losing too many matches if they continue the form they have shown early in the season.  And with their depth, you can't count on injuries setting them back much either.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 05, 2008, 08:16:35 PM
Pretty exciting weekend...Man U. totally dominates Blackburn, though it's discouraging when they can't put away goals.  Probably can't get away with that against top teams.  Liverpool's game was really exciting today.  Man CITY up 2-0 and a fight back from Liverpool makes it 3-2 to the visitors after CITY gets a guy sent off for a two footed tackle.  Arsenal pulls a point out of their butt in injury time to tie 1-1, while Chelsea top Villa.

Bad day in Wisconsin sports as Atlanta upsets the Pack and Suppan sucks it up against Philly, sending the Brewers to the 1st tee. 

Well, at least the Cubs got swept!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on October 06, 2008, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on October 05, 2008, 08:16:35 PM
Well, at least the Cubs got swept!
Ughh...  ???  :-[
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 18, 2008, 12:24:41 AM
Oh, those crazy Italians.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-italy-shortsdown&prov=ap&type=lgns
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:25 AM
Quote from: sac on November 18, 2008, 12:24:41 AM
Oh, those crazy Italians.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-italy-shortsdown&prov=ap&type=lgns

I'd have to concur with Casarin - I'd say that is at least yellow-card material! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 18, 2008, 01:50:35 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2008, 01:37:25 AM
Quote from: sac on November 18, 2008, 12:24:41 AM
Oh, those crazy Italians.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-italy-shortsdown&prov=ap&type=lgns

I'd have to concur with Casarin - I'd say that is at least yellow-card material! ;)

There's an

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"I was in the pool, I was in the pool"  joke in there somewhere.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2008, 11:21:49 AM
Mexico lost to Honduras in a World Cup qualifier last night, 1-0. The lone goal came early in the second half, and 2 of Mexico's players were sent off in the last 10 minutes of the contest.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 20, 2008, 12:38:11 PM
England beat Germany 2-1 in Berlin.  This was Germany's first loss in Berlin since 1973 according to the BBC.

Both sides played plenty of backups.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on December 01, 2008, 01:18:19 PM
Don't look now, but ManU is only 5 points shy of league leading Chelsea and Liverpool thanks to Arsenal's come from behind win over Chelsea yesterday at the Bridge.  8)  IIRC, Chelsea hadn't allowed a 2nd half goal all season and the Gunners (more specifically Robin van Persie)  put 2 on the Blues in the 2nd half of yesterday's game!

Of course, Liverpool can stretch that lead back out to 8 with an almost assured home win over West Ham later today...  :-\   :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 01, 2008, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 01, 2008, 01:18:19 PM
Don't look now, but ManU is only 5 points shy of league leading Chelsea and Liverpool thanks to Arsenal's come from behind win over Chelsea yesterday at the Bridge.  8)  IIRC, Chelsea hadn't allowed a 2nd half goal all season and the Gunners (more specifically Robin van Persie)  put 2 on the Blues in the 2nd half of yesterday's game!

Of course, Liverpool can stretch that lead back out to 8 with an almost assured home win over West Ham later today...  :-\   :(

Liverpool might have it right this year.........they're going to play without Torres for awhile though.  December hasn't been to kind to Liverpool in the past that I recall.  I don't know if it still stands but at one time every Premiership winner had led at Christmas (ie boxing day).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 01, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 01, 2008, 01:18:19 PM
Don't look now, but ManU is only 5 points shy of league leading Chelsea and Liverpool thanks to Arsenal's come from behind win over Chelsea yesterday at the Bridge.  8)  IIRC, Chelsea hadn't allowed a 2nd half goal all season and the Gunners (more specifically Robin van Persie)  put 2 on the Blues in the 2nd half of yesterday's game!

Of course, Liverpool can stretch that lead back out to 8 with an almost assured home win over West Ham later today...  :-\   :(

Aaagh, don't jinx the Reds, please!  They can beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge but got drawn at Anfield by Stoke.  Here's hoping.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2008, 03:57:00 PM
No, go ahead, jinx them!  ;D :D ;) ::) :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 01, 2008, 04:57:06 PM
Ah well, a point's a point.  It would only have been a jinx if I'd said it.  ;-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 01, 2008, 04:58:15 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 01, 2008, 01:18:19 PM


Of course, Liverpool can stretch that lead back out to 8 with an almost assured home win over West Ham later today...  :-\   :(

0-0 Final
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 28, 2008, 03:57:18 PM
Liverpool are assured to start the New Year atop the table after their 5-1 thrashing of Newcastle today.  The score in no way reflects the imbalance of the match; without Shay Given in goal, the Toon would have given up at least six goals by half time.  Given was absolutely outstanding, making more great saves than most keepers do in a win.  Newcastle have a great keeper and two outstanding strikers, Michael Owen and Damien Duff--it's the guys in between who need upgrading.

Of course, there's lots of football to be played, but Liverpool have reason for optimism.  Robbie Keane has found the goal, and they've gotten to this point largely without Fernando Torres.  Yossi Benayoun and Ryan Babel were unhappy with their playing time, and both have played key roles in recent wins.  No point in bringing Torres back too soon; cold weather's not kind to hamstring injuries.  The defense appears to be in good order.  Andrea Dossena is not the answer at left back, but teenager Emiliano Insua has impressed in the last couple of games.  And Jamie Carregher is playing well at right back. 

It's awfully quiet in here.  Any thoughts on the transfer window?  Will Drogba go to Inter?  Where will Michael Owen go?  (I can't imagine he'll want to stay at Newcastle). 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 28, 2008, 07:13:25 PM
I thought I read the other day Owen wasn't leaving Newcastle at the window and would give them the first opportunity to resign him this summer.

ManU plays Chelsea next Sunday, nice chance for Liverpool to pick up 2 or 3 points on someone with a win over Stoke.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 07, 2009, 06:21:58 AM
I think it's funny that Spurs sells Defoe last year for 9 million pounds and then Spurs buys him back for 15...I realize there are some other clauses and money changing hands, but they were idiots to sell Defoe in the first place.  It reminds me of Shaun Wright-Phillips going to Chelsea for the "big time," rotting on the bench (surprise, surprise) and then realizing the error of his ways and getting sold back to Manchester City for a healthy profit for Chelsea. 

I'm not too worried about Manchester United not keeping Tevez...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 11, 2009, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: sac on December 28, 2008, 07:13:25 PM
ManU plays Chelsea next Sunday, nice chance for Liverpool to pick up 2 or 3 points on someone with a win over Stoke.
Or not...

Not only did Liverpool not gain any points, but they lost ground as well.  ManU dismantles Chelsea to the tune of 3-0 at Old Trafford today and thanks to Stoke holding Liverpool to a scoreless draw are now only 5 points adrift with still 2 games in hand!  And Chelsea is only a single point ahead of the Red Devils and United hold 2 games in hand on the Blues as well.

ManU can pull to within 2 points of the Reds with a win at home vs. Wigan on Wednesday and if the Red Devils are able to pick up their full 6 points on the week, they could be sitting atop the table alone by this time next Monday depending on how Liverpool fairs in the Merseyside derby with Everton.  At least Liverpool gets their crosstown rivals at Anfield where they haven't lost to the Blues since 1999...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 11, 2009, 03:16:36 PM
Its a repeat of past failures, losing out on points to weaker teams for Liverpool.

Thats 2 draws to Stoke who are sitting #17, and a loss to Tottenham #18.  Thats alot of wasted points in the final tally.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 11, 2009, 03:33:04 PM
Interesting how results look, depending upon which team you support.

Man U has also "thrown away" a lot of points this season in draws with Portsmouth, Newcastle, Tottenham, Everton, Aston Villa, and the previous encounter with Chelsea.  Of course there are also the losses to Arsenal and Liverpool.

The up side for Liverpool in Man U's beating Chelsea is that Chelsea's goal differential lead has diminished substantially.

The fact is that ALL the contenders have lost points this season in matches they should have been able to win.  The season is still on--should be a great conclusion!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 11, 2009, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 11, 2009, 03:33:04 PM
Interesting how results look, depending upon which team you support.

Man U has also "thrown away" a lot of points this season in draws with Portsmouth, Newcastle, Tottenham, Everton, Aston Villa, and the previous encounter with Chelsea.  Of course there are also the losses to Arsenal and Liverpool.

The up side for Liverpool in Man U's beating Chelsea is that Chelsea's goal differential lead has diminished substantially.

The fact is that ALL the contenders have lost points this season in matches they should have been able to win.  The season is still on--should be a great conclusion!
I'll give you the draws with Pompey, Newcastle, and Spurs as points thrown away by United.  But, away draws with 6th place Everton, 4th place Villa and 2nd place Chelsea are hardly poor results.  And the losses to Aresnal and Liverpool were at the Emirates and Anfield which are never easy places to win if you're the away team. 

If these results were all happening to United at the friendly confines of Old Trafford, than I would agree that they would be considered points thrown away. 

Also, Liverpool has a history of losing points to teams that are fighting to stay up so the draw with Stoke raises the red flags as to say here we go again with Liverpool...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 11, 2009, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 11, 2009, 04:58:26 PM
[I'll give you the draws with Pompey, Newcastle, and Spurs as points thrown away by United.  But, away draws with 6th place Everton, 4th place Villa and 2nd place Chelsea are hardly poor results.  And the losses to Aresnal and Liverpool were at the Emirates and Anfield which are never easy places to win if you're the away team. 

If these results were all happening to United at the friendly confines of Old Trafford, than I would agree that they would be considered points thrown away. 

Also, Liverpool has a history of losing points to teams that are fighting to stay up so the draw with Stoke raises the red flags as to say here we go again with Liverpool...

Liverpool's draw yesterday with Stoke was away from home, as was the loss to Tottenham.  And I don't see that "history" means much of anything in sport.  I think Fernando Torres's health is likely to be much more relevant to Liverpool's season than any history.  I know you'd like to see red flags for Liverpool--I'm saying that both Liverpool and Man U have blown chances (as have Chelsea, Arsenal, and everyone else.)  There's still a lot of football to be played, and right now Liverpool are still in front.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 19, 2009, 05:23:47 PM
It was a weekend that deserved to be in April

ManU 1 Bolton 0.........Berbatov a 90th minute goal

Chealsea 2 Stoke 1 ........Belleti an 88th minute goal, Lampard 4 minutes into xtime.

Liverpool 1 Everton 1......Cahill's 87th minute goal draws at Anfield.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 21, 2009, 02:27:51 PM
I could not believe that Chelsea-Stoke result.  I was watching that match as the clock crawled it's way to 90 minutes and Chelsea was on full assault mode.  I just had the feeling that Stoke holding on for an away win at the Bridge was too good to be true...  And sure enough it was thanks to Belleti... :-\

And then came Lampard's strike in stoppage time...  :(

BTW, look at the differences in the results for the top 3 this past weekend.  ManU and Chelse basically steal 3 points.  ManU was staring giving away 2 points in the face until Berbatov's header.  And Chelsea stole 3 points from the jaws of defeat!  Meanwhile, Liverpool had 3 points locked up until they gave up a late goal at home.  As a result, they lost a precious 2 points and also a golden opportunity to stay perched atop the table which they share with ManU...  for now!   8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 25, 2009, 11:28:21 PM
Liverpool and Everton will be sick of each other in a couple weeks.  Another draw today sets up a replay in the FA Cup.  Winner gets Doncaster/Aston Villa winner.

5th Round draw
Saturday, 14 February 2009
Cardiff/ Arsenal v West Brom/ Burnley, R5, 15:00
Derby/ Nottm Forest v Man Utd, R5, 15:00
Liverpool/ Everton v Doncaster/ Aston Villa, R5, 15:00
Sheff Utd v Hull, R5, 15:00
Sunderland/ Blackburn v Coventry, R5, 15:00
Swansea v Fulham, R5, 15:00
Watford v Chelsea, R5, 15:00
West Ham v Middlesbrough, R5, 15:00

Might get lucky and have ManU, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal all make the quarters.  That could be exciting.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 30, 2009, 12:48:10 AM
Wigan 1 Liverpool 1

more points dropped, Chelsea is probably must win Sunday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2009, 07:52:03 PM
Liverpool and Everton are already sick of each other.  While I don't see this weekend's match with Chelsea as determining the season's outcome, I agree (amazing! ;) ) that is is important for Liverpool.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 02, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
The Liverpool-Chelsea match was far more entertaining than the Super Bowl, except possibly the last five minutes of the latter.  It wasn't referee Mike Riley's finest outing.  Fernando Torres is back to scoring goals, which is good news for the Reds.

Robbie Keane has gone back to Tottenham on the last day of the transfer window.  I'm sorry it didn't work out; he's a classy player.  My guess is the money will be needed for some other transfers over the summer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 02, 2009, 11:08:25 PM
Expensive 6 month rental. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 03, 2009, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 02, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
The Liverpool-Chelsea match was far more entertaining than the Super Bowl, except possibly the last five minutes of the latter.  It wasn't referee Mike Riley's finest outing.  Fernando Torres is back to scoring goals, which is good news for the Reds.

Robbie Keane has gone back to Tottenham on the last day of the transfer window.  I'm sorry it didn't work out; he's a classy player.  My guess is the money will be needed for some other transfers over the summer.

I watched this game this evening.  Very entertaining if not one sided.  Chelsea had posession alot but never did much with it, I thought Liverpool were the better team the whole night.  Chelsea never got the chance to pick up their game because Mike Riley completely blew it.   Not only was Lampard's red a bad red, it was probably a bad yellow card.  Liverpool dominated after that, probably should have scored 2 earlier goals but the Chelsea D played big untill the very end.

But to give Lampard a red and completely ignore the Chelsea player shoving a player out with his studs in the back was pretty ridiculous.  On the plus side he got Steven Gerrard's dive at the box 100% correct.  I was glad to see Lampard won his red card appeal today. 

The first Torres goal was a beauty, the second was deadly opportunity.  At the very least Liverpool stay within striking distance.
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Arshavin to Arsenal (finally)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 05, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
ah yes just when things look a little sunnier.........

Everton 1 Liverpool 0 2 minutes from end of extra time.

Steven Gerrard out 3 weeks.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 06, 2009, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: sac on February 03, 2009, 11:37:43 PM

The first Torres goal was a beauty
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Incredible header.

Quote from: sac on February 05, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
Steven Gerrard out 3 weeks.
It's a bummer. Going to miss both the Spain friendly and the first CL match against Madrid.  Can't wait for the 25th.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Jim Matson on February 08, 2009, 05:27:37 PM
Returning to H-Titan's comment, let me agree that Liverpool-Chelsea really was a great one.  LF might get work as an outside MF if he gave it a shot!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 08, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Liverpool-Portsmouth was also entertaining.  Life is never boring when Rafa's changing the lineups around.  It all worked out in the end--the very end--but the substitutions of Kuyt, Alonso, and Torres really picked up the game--as, of course, they should.  I think I'd have had Alonso in from the beginning with Stevie G out, but they don't pay me the big bucks to make decisions like that! :D

Jim--who is LF?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 08, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
Next year we'll be getting a new look at English football--I'm spending a sabbatical in York.  York City Football club is in the Conference National (?), the fifth level of football in England, according to Wikipedia.  Nestle is one of their sponsors, so their stadium is the Kit Kat Stadium.  It looks as though it may have one of the old terraces.  Should be a blast!

Here's the website:   York City Football Club  (http://ycfc.net/)

Okay, it's only vaguely related to the World Cup but it is a European league...sorta...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 09, 2009, 08:27:03 PM
Hey Folks,

Just a quick reminder, do not forget to tune into either ESPN or Univision (yes that's the Spanish speaking network) this Wednesday night, to catch our M.N.T take on "El Tri" from down south. As always, this game always turns out to be a rivalry, but, can only hope that the MNT just destroys el tri (Lol, if Popa Brown where to read such statement, the old man would choke me.). Go U.S.A
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 10, 2009, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 09, 2009, 08:27:03 PM
Hey Folks,

Just a quick reminder, do not forget to tune into either ESPN or Univision (yes that's the Spanish speaking network) this Wednesday night, to catch our M.N.T take on "El Tri" from down south. As always, this game always turns out to be a rivalry, but, can only hope that the MNT just destroys el tri (Lol, if Popa Brown where to read such statement, the old man would choke me.). Go U.S.A
Somehow, I doubt that the organizers who opted to play this game in Columbus in February were expecting the forecast to be a balmy 50 degrees with a chance of thunderstorms at kickoff...  ??? 

I remember their qualifier for the last WC was also down at Crew Stadium.  Only, the weather was far less accomodating to the boys from El Tri as I believe it was in the 20's that night IIRC. 

Should be an interesting match.  Mexico hasn't been in really good form of late.  They just lost to a Sweeden squad that was handled fairly easily by a US squad made up of B and C team players...  And there's a lot of speculation as to whether or not Sven really grasps the significance of the rivalry between the two sides.  This, however, probably will translate to an El Tri upset...  :P  Let's hope not though!

My prediction:

USA -  3
El Tri - 1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 10, 2009, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 08, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Liverpool-Portsmouth was also entertaining.  Life is never boring when Rafa's changing the lineups around.  It all worked out in the end--the very end--but the substitutions of Kuyt, Alonso, and Torres really picked up the game--as, of course, they should.  I think I'd have had Alonso in from the beginning with Stevie G out, but they don't pay me the big bucks to make decisions like that! :D

I watched this game this evening..........all 3 Liverpool goals should have been stopped, quite an escape from Portsmouth and quite a Liverpool crowd on hand.

Torres' header to win was equally as good as the one he had vs Chelsea.  Such power.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2009, 11:55:54 PM
Quote from: sac on February 10, 2009, 10:40:29 PM
I watched this game this evening..........all 3 Liverpool goals should have been stopped, quite an escape from Portsmouth and quite a Liverpool crowd on hand.
Torres' header to win was equally as good as the one he had vs Chelsea.  Such power.

It was very similar.  The Fabio Aurelio free kick was unfortunate, in a way.  Crouch's sloppy back pass caused David James to have to handle it, setting up the point-blank shot.  I have no idea how that Kuyt goal went in. 

Anybody else as stunned by Scolari's sacking as I am?  Yes, Chelsea were looking poor, but no one--players or managers--is getting a chance to find his way.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 11, 2009, 12:37:49 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2009, 11:55:54 PM
Anybody else as stunned by Scolari's sacking as I am?  Yes, Chelsea were looking poor, but no one--players or managers--is getting a chance to find his way.

Yes, I can only assume something else was going on behind closed doors. 



The free kick by Aurelio was the first time I've seen one that close.  I couldn't believe they scored there.  I think it was inside the penalty spot wasn't it?  It was  a cool goal to see but might poor defense.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2009, 01:29:31 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2009, 11:55:54 PM
Anybody else as stunned by Scolari's sacking as I am? 

Whew!  I nearly had a heart attack before I remembered which board I was on and re-read the name.  I thought Titan Hoosier had said that Solari had been sacked! :o ;)

[Apologies to those who don't follow women's hoops.]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 11, 2009, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2009, 01:29:31 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2009, 11:55:54 PM
Anybody else as stunned by Scolari's sacking as I am? 

Whew!  I nearly had a heart attack before I remembered which board I was on and re-read the name.  I thought Titan Hoosier had said that Solari had been sacked! :o ;)

[Apologies to those who don't follow women's hoops.]

LOL!! Sorry, Mr. Ypsi!  Absolutely NO chance of that.  I didn't even think about the names being similar before.  Fans would probably chip in to pay for another year's tuition for Solari if she wanted to use her four years of eligibility. 

And now, back to your regular programming. :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 11, 2009, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: sac on February 11, 2009, 12:37:49 AM
The free kick by Aurelio was the first time I've seen one that close.  I couldn't believe they scored there.  I think it was inside the penalty spot wasn't it?  It was  a cool goal to see but might poor defense.
Villa had one inside the box a couple of weeks ago against Wigan and I still am amazed that Wigan was able to keep Villa from scoring.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 11, 2009, 12:37:36 PM
At the time, I thought the free kick might actually be too close--the wall was looming large.  In the Liverpool goal, the defender on the upright moved away slightly and the ball somehow squeezed through.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Jim Matson on February 11, 2009, 08:48:44 PM
H-Titan,  LF is Larry Fitzgerald.

US-Mexico match is a good one.  Should be 2-0 though...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 11, 2009, 09:40:37 PM
2-o it was indeed. Its always great to see National team players try to rise to the occasion on the World Cup qualifiers. Hats off to young Bradley (Papa bradley sure was licking his chops just watching his son first connect with Donovan shot and of course that head bunt of a goal.) Great second half by team USA and of course great 1st half by El Tri (yes i had to through that in or Old papa brown would have choked me. lol)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 22, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
Okay, now I'm on board.  Another 2 points lost for Liverpool.  Liverpool 1-Man City 1 :(

Thank goodness for basketball!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 25, 2009, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 22, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
Okay, now I'm on board.  Another 2 points lost for Liverpool.  Liverpool 1-Man City 1 :(

Thank goodness for basketball!
Yeah.  With ManU now 7 points clear at the top of the tables, I think Rafa would be wise to turn his focus now squarely on the Champs League.  After all, he has had a lot of success with Liverpool over the years in the Champs League.

Speaking of the Champs League, ManU and Inter played to a scoreless draw in a battle of League leaders yesterday.  The match was in Milan at the San Siro.  The tie will move to Old Trafford next week to see who advances to the final 8! 

Other scores saw Arsenal win at the Emirates over Roma 1-0.  Porto scored two away goals in at 2-2 draw at Atletico Madrid.  And Barca drew with Lyon 1-1 in Lyon.

The other two Prem League teams remaining in the draw see Liverpool taking on Real Madrid in Spain today and Chelsea, with their sudden newfound confidence, taking on Juve at the Bridge.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 25, 2009, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 22, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
Okay, now I'm on board.  Another 2 points lost for Liverpool.  Liverpool 1-Man City 1 :(

Thank goodness for basketball!

I watched the game last night, Liverpool is ordinary without Gerrard and they missed Alonso as well.  The difference between Man U and Liverpool right now is ManU can loose Rooney and keep winning, Liverpool lose Gerrard and they just aren't that good.  They get a game with ManU in a couple weeks, that could either seal the deal or make things interesting, but its a must win.

On the other end, though credit has to go to ManCity, I thought they played well at both ends.


I think Liverpool are just hoping to survive Real Madrid today and hope whatever deficit isn't too much to overcome.  A draw without a goal might be perfect.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 25, 2009, 05:54:21 PM
Quote from: sac on February 25, 2009, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 22, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
Okay, now I'm on board.  Another 2 points lost for Liverpool.  Liverpool 1-Man City 1 :(

Thank goodness for basketball!

I watched the game last night, Liverpool is ordinary without Gerrard and they missed Alonso as well.  The difference between Man U and Liverpool right now is ManU can loose Rooney and keep winning, Liverpool lose Gerrard and they just aren't that good.  They get a game with ManU in a couple weeks, that could either seal the deal or make things interesting, but its a must win.

On the other end, though credit has to go to ManCity, I thought they played well at both ends.


I think Liverpool are just hoping to survive Real Madrid today and hope whatever deficit isn't too much to overcome.  A draw without a goal might be perfect.

How about one better........Liverpool 1 Real Madrid 0  with the away goal.  Thats the best scenario out there.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 25, 2009, 06:08:07 PM
Woo-hoo!!  Thanks for the good news! 

The bad news--twisted ankle for Torres.  Hopefully it's nothing worse.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 26, 2009, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: sac on February 25, 2009, 05:54:21 PM
How about one better........Liverpool 1 Real Madrid 0  with the away goal.  Thats the best scenario out there.

Looks like Rafa bought himself some time with this great result for the Reds!  Looks as though Liverpool should be on cruise control as they make their way to the round of 8!

Sometimes I can't grasp how Rafa can't duplicate his success in the Champs League to a Premiership title?!   ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 26, 2009, 02:35:16 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 26, 2009, 12:54:32 AM
Sometimes I can't grasp how Rafa can't duplicate his success in the Champs League to a Premiership title?!   ???

I'm certainly far from a soccer expert, but I think the English game is much more offensive orriented than the European game.  Perhaps the defensive philosphy is put to a harsher test on a more regular basis in league play. 

I also don't think Liverpool has had the same depth that ManU/Chelsea/Arsenal have had the years I've watched the league.  They've definitly put their eggs in the  Champions League basket when they needed to vs the league.



Here's another theory..........draws are good in the Champions league, but not in the EPL.  In two Weeks Liverpool will be looking for and playing for any kind of draw with Real Madrid, it sends them through to the next round.  Perhaps those tactics are perfect for such occasions, but in the EPL you lose 2 points and preumeably ground in the standings.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 28, 2009, 03:59:24 PM
Well if it wasn't gameover before it probably is now

Middlesborough 2 Liverpool 0..........'borough were in 18th and battling for relegation life.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 02, 2009, 12:29:25 AM
Quote from: sac on February 28, 2009, 03:59:24 PM
Well if it wasn't gameover before it probably is now

Middlesborough 2 Liverpool 0..........'borough were in 18th and battling for relegation life.
This Premier League season is in danger of turning into a runaway for ManU!  Amazing that Liverpool has gone from title hopeful back over the holidays to being in jeopardy of trailing ManU by 10 points in the table and also could be surpassed by Chelsea in the span of 2 months!   This could really set up nicely for the Red Devils as they go after their quad for trophies!  Really, it could be a quint if you include their World Club Cup championship they won earlier in the season!  8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 10, 2009, 01:46:12 AM
The FA Cup is going to look a little different this year compared to last.  The Final Four is a strong one with ManU taking on Everton in one semi-final and a London derby in the other with Chelsea taking on Arsenal.  Should be an exciting set of semi final matches as all 4 teams seem to be in top form at the moment!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 10, 2009, 03:08:35 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 10, 2009, 01:46:12 AM
The FA Cup is going to look a little different this year compared to last.  The Final Four is a strong one with ManU taking on Everton in one semi-final and a London derby in the other with Chelsea taking on Arsenal.  Should be an exciting set of semi final matches as all 4 teams seem to be in top form at the moment!

2008 semi's----West Bromwich, Cardiff, Portsmouth and Barnsley..........yeah a little different.  ;) :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 10, 2009, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: sac on March 10, 2009, 03:08:35 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 10, 2009, 01:46:12 AM
The FA Cup is going to look a little different this year compared to last.  The Final Four is a strong one with ManU taking on Everton in one semi-final and a London derby in the other with Chelsea taking on Arsenal.  Should be an exciting set of semi final matches as all 4 teams seem to be in top form at the moment!

2008 semi's----West Bromwich, Cardiff, Portsmouth and Barnsley..........yeah a little different.  ;) :D
I think it's funny how one of the unique qualities of the FA Cup is that it allows for little unknown clubs to take their shots at the big boys and every once in a while, there is a cinderella that makes it through to Wembley.  And I think that most everyone would agree that makes for a great story when it happens!  But when you have basically 4 cinderellas making it to Wembley, it's a great story until you get to the actual matches!  I think last year's final 4 had everyone saying be careful what you wish for...  :P  I don't think anyone would have had the foresight to predict those 4 teams making it through to Wembley!

I'll bet the FA is much more relieved to have the 4 that made it through this year as opposed to the 4 that made it through last year!  If only ManU or Chelsea not been upset in the quarters last year.  I think having ManU or Chelea in the final 4 last year would have made things a bit more intriguing and a little less anti-climactic as things turned out to be last year. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 11, 2009, 06:26:48 AM
Watched Liverpool demolish Real Madrid last night........they were viscious.  The first 25 minutes it looked like Liverpool could score at any moment.  It turned out to be more a case of good fortune for Liverpool than anything else........I'm sure the papers will say how Liverpool dominated from start to finish.

However.......the first goal was fortunate, 1) Torres clearly pulled down Pepe, or at least put a hand on his shoulder and Pepe went down like a sack of potatoes.  It could have gone either way, if its whistled a foul on Torres I don't think many complain about it.  2)  Torres could easily have been called offsides............it was sure exactly what Liverpool needed, just like that Real had to score 2 goals and win to progress. 

The second goal came from a penalty which was dubious at best.  In real time it sure looks like a handball and a wild one at that, but in slow mo, clearly its off the shoulder.  Tough break for Real at that point, it was still a game and anything could happen.  But when Gerrard buried the penalty it was pretty much over and anything short of a miracle comeback would see Liverpool through.  These two goals changed the game completely.

Of course haltime comes and you expect Real to fight, maybe slide in a goal or two just to make the home side nervous........of course most expected Liverpool to just lock things up on defense.  But just minutes into the second half, Gerrard scores a beauty of a goal and it was over.  Liverpool added one more beauty for good measure......5-0 agg. over Real Madrid......seriously?


It was kind of too bad the score got out of hand so fast, it was actually a fun game to watch, lots of good chances. There was just no drama or tension, it was decided early.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 11, 2009, 08:18:05 AM
Well, Liverpool DID dominate from start to finish.  I don't see how any observer could say otherwise.  Torres took on the entire Real defense and nearly scored within two minutes--only a brilliant save from Casillas stopped him.  And the entire side continued at nearly that pace for the entire match, winning most loose and contested balls.

The penalty AND a card was a bit harsh--the ball was off the very high arm, possibly the shoulder, and Heinze didn't see it coming.  But the refs don't have access to replay.  It certainly looked off the arm at first viewing, and it was in the box.  What else could they call but a penalty?  The card, I think, was for dissent, which is somewhat understandable--but as you say, at that point Real weren't out of it.  He needed to shut up.  Upon first seeing the Torres goal I thought he got away with fouling Pepe, but on looking at replay, I think Pepe went down way too easily.  I think the refs got that one right--but in the end it didn't matter.

Ryan Babel has been somewhat on the outs at Anfield lately, but he was terrific on the wing yesterday.  And Gerrard's second goal was a thing of beauty, taken on the run and in the air.  Andrea Dossena is probably the most unlikely goal-scorer of all for Liverpool, but that's the way the evening went.

Here's what the BBC says--"The brutal truth for Real was that they were outclassed, with Liverpool underlining their vast superiority when Gerrard slammed home the third from Ryan Babel's cross two minutes after the interval."

Absolutely the best display I've seen from Liverpool since, well, Istanbul--and this one was from start to finish.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 11, 2009, 08:03:09 PM
Only got to see the 2nd half of Manu/Inter, of course both goals happened in the first.

Inter, Real Madrid and Juventus all out before the quarterfinals.  Chances are good for at least one all-England quarterfinal.


Arsenal
Liverpool
Manchester United
Chelsea
Bayern Munich
Barcelona
FC Porto
Villareal
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 12, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
Quote from: sac on March 11, 2009, 08:03:09 PM
Only got to see the 2nd half of Manu/Inter, of course both goals happened in the first.

Inter, Real Madrid and Juventus all out before the quarterfinals.  Chances are good for at least one all-England quarterfinal.


Arsenal
Liverpool
Manchester United
Chelsea
Bayern Munich
Barcelona
FC Porto
Villareal
If this doesn't show the strength of the Premier league, I don't know what does!  Just like a year ago, all 4 Prem clubs still in to the round of 8!  And outside of Arsenal who needed PK's to get by Roma, the other 3 English sides won rather easily and against some pretty damn good clubs as well!  Chelsea didn't get the win, but they won on aggregates over Juve who is in 2nd place in Serie A.  Liverpool completely dismantled Real Madrid who is in 2nd place in the Primera.  And ManU easily dispacthed of Serie A frontrunners Inter in what was supposed to be an epic battle of two club giants.


The dominance of the Premier League was made known last year when 3 of the 4 semi-finalists were Prem League teams and it was an all England final.  And this year is setting up to be dejavu all over again...  8)

I think that it would be sweet to put all 4 English clubs in different quarter final brackets setting up the possibility of an all England semi's.  But, we know that probably won't happen...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 12, 2009, 11:17:20 AM
3/11/09 Final:

Mexico 5, Bolivia 1 (One of Bolivia's players was sent off midway thru the 1st half of this one. Mexico had a 2-0 lead at the half in this contest--)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 14, 2009, 11:01:56 AM
Liverpool 4-Man U 1 AT Old Trafford!  Goals from Torres, Stevie G, Fabio Aurelio, and a closer for Dossena (again!) with an assist from Reina.  Sweet, sweet, sweet for Reds supporters! 

Vidic really hurt Man U today.  First, Torres got away from him to go one-on-one with van der Saar for Liverpool's first goal.  Then in the second half Vidic brought down Gerrard like a sack of potatoes and was ruled the last defender for a straight red.  Dossena's goal was a very pretty chip over the defenders; it left van der Saar standing motionless.

Wayne Rooney created quite a stir earlier in the week in an interview by saying he "hates" Liverpool--the team later withdrew the interview from its website.  He might wish he hadn't said that now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 14, 2009, 07:02:36 PM
Has anyone ever beaten Real Madrid and Manchester United in the same week by a combined 8-1 scoreline?


There are 10 Premiership clubs in the relegation fight, only 4 points separtes #11 from #18.
  Games  -- Points
11 Bolton 29 --- 33
12 Hull 29 --- 33
13 Tottenham 28 --- 32
14 Sunderland 29 --- 32
15 Blackburn 29 --- 30
16 Newcastle 29 --- 29
17 Portsmouth 28 --- 29

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

18 Stoke 29 --- 29
19 Middlesbrough 29 --- 27
20 West Brom 28 --- 22

Liverpool has dropped 10 points to 4 of these teams, 3 each to Tottenham and Middlesborough.   2 each to Stoke and Hull City

Liverpool has also dropped points to 8, 9 and 10.  West Ham, Wigan, Man City, 7 total.

They have beaten Chelsea and Manchester United twice, and drew with Arsenal with one more game to go.........and have not dropped a game in Europe (although a 93rd minute penalty saved their bacon against Atletico Madrid.


Manchester has dropped just 2 points to the bottome ten, 2 to Tottenham.  Other lost points have come to Liverpool and Chelsea.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 16, 2009, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: sac on March 14, 2009, 07:02:36 PM
Liverpool has dropped 10 points to 4 of these teams, 3 each to Tottenham and Middlesborough.   2 each to Stoke and Hull City

Liverpool has also dropped points to 8, 9 and 10.  West Ham, Wigan, Man City, 7 total.

They have beaten Chelsea and Manchester United twice, and drew with Arsenal with one more game to go.........and have not dropped a game in Europe (although a 93rd minute penalty saved their bacon against Atletico Madrid.


Manchester has dropped just 2 points to the bottome ten, 2 to Tottenham.  Other lost points have come to Liverpool and Chelsea.

This is basically where ManU takes care of business and why they are in a position to three-peat as League Champs!  Just think where Liverpool would be if they weren't dropping points to teams fighting to avoid relegation?

Sure that was a great win for Liverpool over the weekend and it was a must win to keep thier slim hopes at catching United alive.  But, on the other end, ManU is still 4 points clear with a game in hand!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 16, 2009, 03:20:19 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 16, 2009, 11:04:25 AM
  Just think where Liverpool would be if they weren't dropping points to teams fighting to avoid relegation?

Oh, we are, we are! 

I confess that I'm a bit baffled by Sir Alex's assertion that Man U were the "better side" on Saturday.  A certain amount of spin is expected, but that's a bit much.

Here's a story on it from the Guardian:  United Were Better, Claims Ferguson after Liverpool Battering  (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/14/premier-league-manchester-united-liverpool)

Chelsea are still in it as well, as Gus Hiddink was quick to point out.  The odds still favor Man U by a long shot, but it's heartening to the rest of League to see that they will have to win it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2009, 08:56:59 AM
Champions League Draws:

Villarreal v Arsenal
Man Utd v FC Porto
Liverpool v Chelsea
Barcelona v Bayern Munich

Ties to be played 7/8 April & 14/15 April.  As they requested, Liverpool will not have to play on 15 April, the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster.  Which cliche will we hear first:  "It's hard to beat a good team three times;" "Well, you have to beat them sometime."  Anything else?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2009, 09:47:03 AM
Just thought of another cliche myself, after thinking that Man U looks to have the easiest draw:  "That's why they play the games."

Have people seen this on youtube? Smithy and England Football Team (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXnKYYGDUXU)

It was done for Red Nose Day--a big charity fundraiser in England.  Note what's on the flip chart.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 20, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2009, 08:56:59 AM
Liverpool v Chelsea

::)  I don't even remember how many years in a row this is.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 20, 2009, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: sac on March 20, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2009, 08:56:59 AM
Liverpool v Chelsea

::)  I don't even remember how many years in a row this is.

Its five.

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2009, 09:47:03 AM
Just thought of another cliche myself, after thinking that Man U looks to have the easiest draw:  "That's why they play the games."

Have people seen this on youtube? Smithy and England Football Team (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXnKYYGDUXU)

It was done for Red Nose Day--a big charity fundraiser in England.  Note what's on the flip chart.

"If it hadn't been for that beer festival it would have been a complete waste of time" :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 20, 2009, 02:43:48 PM
"You know that big Scouse fellow....just a teensy bit better....well, PASS HIM THE BALL!!""
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 21, 2009, 02:02:57 PM
Man U haven't walked away with the hardware just yet.  Today's results:  Fulham 2 Man U 0.   There were reds for Scholes (handball in the box) and Rooney (evidently kicking the ball away--a second yellow).  I haven't seen any highlights, just followed online.  This means the two players will miss the next match, at home to Aston Villa.

Then Tottenham beat Chelsea 1-0. 

Who'da thunk, two weeks ago, that Liverpool would still have a chance at this point?     They can move ahead of Chelsea and close to within a point of Man U with a win over Aston Villa tomorrow, and  improve their goal differential.  Man U still have the game in hand, but things are looking a lot brighter.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 21, 2009, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 21, 2009, 02:02:57 PM
Man U haven't walked away with the hardware just yet.  Today's results:  Fulham 2 Man U 0.   There were reds for Scholes (handball in the box) and Rooney (evidently kicking the ball away--a second yellow).  I haven't seen any highlights, just followed online.  This means the two players will miss the next match, at home to Aston Villa.

Then Tottenham beat Chelsea 1-0. 

Who'da thunk, two weeks ago, that Liverpool would still have a chance at this point?     They can move ahead of Chelsea and close to within a point of Man U with a win over Aston Villa tomorrow, and  improve their goal differential.  Man U still have the game in hand, but things are looking a lot brighter.
My, my...  Liverpool must be smiling brightly after today's results seeing both Chelsea and ManU suffer defeats!  :o  Of course, the Reds still have to beat a game Villa squad tomorrow, but Villa hasn't been that great lately...  :-\

This was the first time ManU has lost back to back league tilts in 4 years!  :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 21, 2009, 09:46:30 PM
BTW, thanks for that link Hoosier!  That was freaking hilarious!  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 22, 2009, 06:03:35 PM
Wow, Liverpool is playing some good football.........5-0 over Aston Villa.  Gerrard a hat-trick.

Liverpool
Fulham
Blackburn
Arsenal
@ Hull
Newcastle
@ West Ham
@ West Brom
Tottenham

at the moment only 3 in the top half of the standings.

Manchester United
Aston Villa
@ Sunderland
Portsmouth
Tottenham
@ Middlesborough
Man City
@ Wigan
Arsenal
@ Hull

at the moment only 4 in the top half.  I would give the schedule a slight edge to Liverpool with 3 teams battling relegation vs ManU's one........but then Liverpool haven't done well against those teams.

Also ManU are still in the FACup, and Liverpool have 2 less dates to squeeze in, so more dates of rest vs ManU.  The key week seems to be  starting Wed Feb 15 with the second leg in Champions League, vs Porto.  Then Sunday play Everton in FA Cup, then the next Wed play Portsmouth followed by Tottenham.

......and of course they both play Arsenal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 22, 2009, 08:25:08 PM
Nicely laid out, sac!  Thanks!

The Scousers put on a show today and could have had several more goals.  Both keepers made fine saves.  The red against Brad Friedel was certainly within the letter of the law, but it seemed harsh.  He said later that he was trying to get out of Torres' way--there was clearly no malice in it.  I hope that one will be appealed (especially since AV next play Man U after the Champions League break ;)).

I think the woes against the lower division sides have been understandable--depth is not Liverpool's strength.  The eleven who started today are the equal of any side, clearly.  It's when they've tried to rest people (and when Gerrard, Torres, or both have been injured) that they've struggled.  Even on a day when he didn't score, Torres drew so much attention that others were able to capitalize.

I imagine that Sir Alex would probably rather not be thinking about some of the other cups right now.  I'm just glad that Liverpool only have the CL and the EPL to focus on. 

Anyway, it's game on down the stretch!  Should be great.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 02, 2009, 12:06:01 AM
2010 World Cup Qualifier Finals:

USA 3, Trinidad & Tobago 0

Honduras 3, Mexico 1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 02, 2009, 01:16:39 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 02, 2009, 12:06:01 AM
2010 World Cup Qualifier Finals:

USA 3, Trinidad & Tobago 0

Honduras 3, Mexico 1

:o

How far has El-Tri fallen?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 02, 2009, 08:32:08 AM
Honduras has beaten Mexico the last 2 times those squads have met.

Mexico barely got through to the round they're in now-nosing out Jamaica on goal difference. I read from espnsoccernet.com that even with that advance, the Mexican press was not too happy with El Tri's coach--to put it mildly.

El Tri beat Costa Rica 2-0 last week, but as things stand now, Mexico is 4th in its' group, ahead of El Salvador and Trinidad & Tobago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 02, 2009, 11:02:14 AM
How about Bolivia over Argentina 6-1.  That's an eye-opener.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 02, 2009, 12:05:48 PM
Quote from: Stinger on April 02, 2009, 11:02:14 AM
How about Bolivia over Argentina 6-1.  That's an eye-opener.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/football/04/02/worldcup.argentina/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 02, 2009, 04:42:12 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 02, 2009, 08:32:08 AM
I read from espnsoccernet.com that even with that advance, the Mexican press was not too happy with El Tri's coach--to put it mildly.

Sven is fired. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 06, 2009, 12:13:04 AM
Wow, what a weekend in the Premier league.  Liverpool win with an injury time goal v Fulham on Saturday.  ManU wins with an injury time goal v Aston Villa Sunday by a 17 year old making his debut.

Ya can't make that stuff up.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2009, 12:28:35 AM
Today's Dallas Cup action (http://www.dallascup.com/schedules/XXX/12194304.html).

Manchester City FC 4, AC Milan 0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 10, 2009, 11:37:45 PM
There's a new version of the Liverpool song "Fields of Anfield Road" available on iTunes and at other sites to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster.  The video features former Liverpool players and families of the 96.  It can be seen on the Liverpool FC web site (liverpoolfc.tv) or on YouTube:
Fields of Anfield Road (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koAV41WuAQQ)

Proceeds will go to the families of the 96.

In current news, Steven Gerrard seems to have developed a groin problem that will require careful monitoring for the remainder of the season.  He is in the starting lineup for tomorrow's early match against Blackburn, however. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 11, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
Speaking of this weeks action,  Yikes were ManU and Liverpool awfull, difference was ManU held on and eeked out a draw, Liverpool couldn't do the same against Chelsea and deserved to get whipped.

Chelsea weren't awesome but they were better for sure.  It might be different without Terry in the lineup at Chelsea but I doubt it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 11, 2009, 06:34:15 PM
Liverpool bounced back nicely against Blackburn Rovers today 4-0.  Torres's first goal (of two) and Agger's were both things of beauty.  Gerrard was on the subs list but did not play.

Man U got another late goal from Machada to pip Sunderland.   That kid has come on at the right time for them.

I went to my daughter's match at 10:00 am on the prairie on the outskirts of Bloomington and gave thanks for hot coffee.  It was colder than winter in the north of England!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 15, 2009, 12:56:07 PM
I was just thrilled to see Liverpool put a little tension into the 2nd league at Chelsea, and oh my did they.  Fun stuff.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 15, 2009, 04:10:33 PM
The Memorial Service for the 20th anniversary of Hillsborough was incredibly moving today.  LFC TV carried it; the channel is available free today on liverpoolfc.tv

I was glad that the Reds put up a good fight, especially without Gerrard even on the bench.  But today's events helped me put the loss in perspective.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 15, 2009, 07:50:51 PM
Arsenal and ManU won today........can't help think how bad Liverpool and ManU looked last week and how crucial it was for ManU to draw with Porto instead of facing Liverpool's fate.


Arsenal v ManU and Barcelona v Chelsea.............all of the 4 possible final matchups are compelling.  Imagine if Liverpool end up winning the Premier League, not likely but possible.  Oddly its still possible for all 4 English clubs to win 4 different trophys.


As good as Chelsea was v Liverpool I think Barcelona might be too much for them, they have to be the favorites.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 16, 2009, 06:19:53 AM
Quote from: sac on April 15, 2009, 07:50:51 PM
Arsenal and ManU won today........can't help think how bad Liverpool and ManU looked last week and how crucial it was for ManU to draw with Porto instead of facing Liverpool's fate.


Arsenal v ManU and Barcelona v Chelsea.............all of the 4 possible final matchups are compelling.  Imagine if Liverpool end up winning the Premier League, not likely but possible.  Oddly its still possible for all 4 English clubs to win 4 different trophys.


As good as Chelsea was v Liverpool I think Barcelona might be too much for them, they have to be the favorites.

After the way Barcelona took it to Bayern Munich, I'm inclined to agree with you.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 18, 2009, 09:20:21 PM
Chelsea came from behind to beat Arsenal 2-1 to move into the FA Cup final.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 19, 2009, 08:05:33 PM
Everton beat a severly diminished (and strangely) ManU 0-0, 4-2 on penalties in the second FA Cup semi-final.  This assures an all blue final at Wembley.  Everton v Chelsea
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 20, 2009, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: sac on April 19, 2009, 08:05:33 PM
Everton beat a severly diminished (and strangely) ManU 0-0, 4-2 on penalties in the second FA Cup semi-final.  This assures an all blue final at Wembley.  Everton v Chelsea
I'm torn by this result.  On the one hand, I was really hoping for ManU to pull off the quint.  But, the squad Sir Alex put out really left me scratching my head.  And I'm even more surprised that the likes of Rooney and Ronaldo were not even available for subs?!  Eight of ManU's starting eleven sat out yesterday's semi-final loss.  Of those 8 replacements, four were teenagers and the average age of ManU's starting 11 was just 22.   :o  I think it's pretty clear that Sir Alex was gambling on his youngsters getting the job done while allowing his regulars time to regroup for the final push in the Premiership and also the semi's of the Champs League.  Unfortunately for Sir Alex and United, that gamble didn't pay off...  :-\

The part I was torn about was seeing Tim Howard's brilliant performance in goal for Everton!  He made saves on United's first 2 PK attempts by Berbatov and Ferdinand no less!  Howard was probably relishing every moment of that PK shootout getting the chance to stymie his former team!  I will definitely be pulling for Tim Howard the Everton Blue in the finals!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 23, 2009, 04:03:51 PM
The usually solid Liverpool D suddenly can't stop giving up goals.  4-4 to Arsenal, I think they probably needed that one to have a chance at catching United.  3 back now, two in hand for ManU
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 26, 2009, 10:20:46 AM
Quote from: sac on April 23, 2009, 04:03:51 PM
The usually solid Liverpool D suddenly can't stop giving up goals.  4-4 to Arsenal, I think they probably needed that one to have a chance at catching United.  3 back now, two in hand for ManU
I'm not going to say it's over just yet, but I think the fat lady is starting to warm up...

I can't believe that result for ManU yesterday at Old Trafford!  I was only able to watch the 1st half before I had to go to work and when I left, things didn't look good for the Red Devils with Spurs holding a 2-0 lead and they really had been taking it to ManU the whole 1st half.  Needless to say, when I checked the score while at work to see what the final damage was, I couldn't believe when I saw that ManU put up a 5 spot on Totty in the 2nd half!  :o

With Liverpool already beating Hull earlier, they had temporarily moved back to the top spot in a tie with ManU.  But thanks to the Red Devil's epic comeback, they are now once again 3 points clear with a game in hand. 

There is still a lot of football to be played and with ManU and Arsenal tangling up 3 more times before the season ends, a lot can still happen.  Liverpool is hardly out of this thing yet...  United definitely have the tougher fixtures remaining with their derby with City and a prem league match with Arsenal.  Both games are at Old Trafford which should help.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 27, 2009, 12:14:19 AM
I hadn't realized untill today that Newcastle United is in serious danger of being relegated.  That would be a shame..............when I could see matches on Fox Soccer I always loved the games at St. James's Park.  Great crowds.

Remaining matches
Portsmouth
@ Liverpool
Middlesborough
Fulham
@ Aston Villa

They play Portsmouth Monday evening, pretty crucial match for them I'd say.  A win for Portsmouth probably makes them safe from relegation.  Its about a 6 team race for the bottom right now.

Here's the bottom 9
12 Stoke 34 -16 39
13 Bolton 34 -11 38
14 Portsmouth 33 -15 37
15 Blackburn 34 -18 37
16 Sunderland 34 -15 35
17 Hull 34 -22 34
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

18 Middlesbrough 34 -24 31
19 Newcastle 33 -16 30
20 West Brom 34 -30 28


The flip side of relegation is promotion and it looks like the league will welcome back Wolverhampton, with Birmingham City 1 point up on Sheffield Utd for the 2nd promotion spot.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 30, 2009, 07:00:16 PM
Chelsea was an embarrassment to the EPL on Tuesday. I thought I was watching italian football out there.

Manchester United looked incredible and I'm still trying to figure out how they only got one in the back.  They absolutely dominated.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 01, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: Stinger on April 30, 2009, 07:00:16 PM
Chelsea was an embarrassment to the EPL on Tuesday. I thought I was watching italian football out there.

Manchester United looked incredible and I'm still trying to figure out how they only got one in the back.  They absolutely dominated.
I didn't get to catch either match but I did see highlights of the ManU match and I hope they don't regret not being able to come away with more than just a 1-0 result.  I'm not trying to say that a 1-0 result isn't a good thing as the Red Devils did keep the Gunners from picking up a crucial away goal which is always a good thing.  But in all reality, ManU should have come away from that match with at least a 2 or 3 goal cushion heading to the Emirates.

As far as Chelea are concerned, I always think they are an embarrassment to the EPL...  :P  ;)  8)  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 03, 2009, 02:11:24 PM
7 of the 8 bottom teams in the Premiership all lost this weekend, with Aston Villa/Hull coming on Monday.  A game Hull isn't likely to win, but it would be massive if they did.

Newcastle were poor vs Liverpool losing 3-0, not looking good for them at all.  Next match is with current relegation struggling partner Middlesborough.........loser goes down, book it........a draw could be disaster for both clubs.

Liverpool keep the pressure on at the top, still 3 back with a game in hand for United.


In promotion news, Birmingham sealed  a quick return to the EPL.......so Wolverhampton, Birmingham go up.............Sheff Utd, Reading, Burnley and Preston will battle in the playoff.

Interesting at the bottom of the Championship League, 3 teams go down who were recently in the Premiership.  Southampton, Charlton and Norwich.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 03, 2009, 06:06:39 PM
Charlton is really a shock.  They never reached the level of the top four, but were always a competitive club that employed its money reasonably, at least while Curbishley was in charge.  They removed him in order to shake things up, and have been sliding downhill ever since.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 04, 2009, 07:18:42 PM
Aston Villa 1 Hull 0...........alll 8 bottom teams lost last weekend.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on May 05, 2009, 01:27:20 PM
Would you call this "Excessive Celebration"? ???

Player on Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8K-KjwV_qE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theticket.com%2FSchtick%2FTicketTubeVideos%2FVideoPlayer%2Ftabid%2F554%2FVideoId%2F120%2FSoccer-Player-Set-On-Fire.aspx&feature=player_embedded)

I'm sorry it is in Portuguese.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 11, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
ManU now just needs 4 points over the next 3 games to secure their 3rd straight Premiership Trophy with their win in the Manchester Derby yesterday!  Their 3 remaining fixtures are at Wigan on Wednesday, hosting Arsenal Saturday and at Hull City the final Sunday of the season.  I would be surprised if ManU didn't get the full 9 let alone not get the 4 points needed to secure the title.

In other notes, it looks as though Carlos Tevez wants out of ManU but wants to stay in the Premier League.  It's rumored that ManCity and Chelsea appear to be leading the way to secure his services for next year and Totty is joining the fray as well for domestic clubs.  Real Madrid is supposedly also interested.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 11, 2009, 06:56:02 PM
ManU for all purposes won it Sunday..........they have to lose twice and unless Wigan and Hull pull off miracles it isn't happening.

at the bottom........

Newcastle beat Middlesborough 3-1 today to pull themselves off the drop into 17th.  The win pulls a couple more teams back into the fray that were hopeing for a draw today.

13 Bolton  40
14 Blackburn  40
15 Portsmouth  38
16 Sunderland  36
17 Newcastle  34

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

18 Hull 34
19 Middlesbrough  31
20 West Brom  31

Technically Bolton and Blackburn are still in trouble but realisticly they're safe.

Bolton  ~  Hull City, @ Man City
Blackburn ~ Chelsea, @ West Ham
Portsmouth ~ Sunderland, @ Wigan
Sunderland ~ @ Portsmouth, Chelsea
Newcastle ~ Fulham, @ Aston Villa
Hull City ~ @ Bolton, Man Utd
Middlesborough ~  Aston Villa, @ West Ham
West Brom ~ Liverpool, @ Blackburn

Newcastle's finish is the hardest in my opinion  with #7 Fulham and #5 Aston Villa.  Thats why today's win was so huge for them.  They hold a 7 goal lead over Hull in goal difference.......11 and 12 over West  Brom and Middlesborough

Hull City hasn't won an EPL game since Dec 6 against Middlesborough, also the only win since October 25.  20 games with 5 draws.  They aren't likely to beat Bolton or United.  Though they may get a weakened United team if eveything's settled by then.


Also Liverpool still haven't clinched the free pass into Champions league group play yet.........3 points over Chelsea

Liverpool ~ @ West Brom,  Tottenham
Chelsea ~  Blackburn, @ Sunderland
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 14, 2009, 07:59:04 PM
Well, now all ManU needs is a draw at home vs. Arsenal or away at Hull City after their 2-1 win at Wigan yesterday! 

Wigan made the defending champs sweat taking the early 1-0 lead.  But ManU responded as Carlos Teves may have had extra incentive given the transfer rumors as he leveled the match in the 61st minute!  And then Michael Carrick ended the suspense in the 86th minute for yet another late United game winner!

I'm sure that the Gunners would like nothing better than to spoil ManU's party or at least postpone it.  But given Arsenal's recent poor form, I'm not too sure they will be able to pull off the upset at Old Trafford even if they wanted to...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 16, 2009, 10:21:35 AM
Congratulations to Manchester United for securing the EPL title this year.  And good luck to Carlos Tevez, wherever he finds himself next season.

Liverpool still have a lot to be proud of.  They have scored more points in the league than ever before, they've outscored Man U and lost fewer games, and they beat the champions twice (4-1 at Old Trafford.)  And they still have a lot to play for:  second counts for a lot in Champions League qualifying.  And there is a score to settle with Tottenham in the last game (Robbie Keane can be excused for having a score to settle with Liverpool as well).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 16, 2009, 01:13:35 PM
at the bottom.........

disaster for Newcastle as Hull City gain a point with a 1-1 draw at Bolton and Newcastle lose at home to Fulham.
16 Sunderland 36
17 Hull  35
-----------------------------
18 Newcastle 34
19 Middlesborough 32
20 West Brom 31

Newcastle finishes at 6th placed Aston Villa next weekend.  Hull faces Man Utd.  Middlesborough plays West Ham.  Newcastle does hold the goal differential edge over Hull, Middlesborough and WestBrom.  Sunderland have 2 matches left, they should squeek by.

West Brom plays Liverpool tommorrow, wouldn't expect anything from that.......and a loss sends them down.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 16, 2009, 02:55:27 PM
Just wondering, when a team goes down a division, do they usually lower ticket prices?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2009, 11:20:13 PM
I am at Manchester Airport before flying back to the States, and I just realized I haven't posted anything from here yet.  For the record, this trip was for research, not for footbal! :)

I have little to report on the Premier League that can't have been gotten in the States.  I got to hear a live broadcast of Liverpool at West Brom Albion last weekend which I found very unnerving; I can't visualize football from the radio as quickly as I can either baseball or basketball.  Plus, when I watched Match of the Day, I realized that West Brom really did create a lot of chances so maybe I was right to be nervous listening to the radio.  They are an attractive side:  they play attacking football, and their fans are incredible.  Even after Liverpool had put the game away--and WBA was doomed to relegation--the fans stayed, close to 20,000 strong, singing and supporting them.  Hope that they keep Tony Mowbray on and that he is able to strengthen the side enough to keep them up when they next return to the EPL.

When I'm on sabbatical at the University of York next spring, our local side will be York City, who played right before I came over against Cambridge United in the FA Trophy Match at Wembley (different to the FA Cup).  About 10,000 YCFC supporters followed them to Wembley, only to see a 0-2 defeat.  Not surprising considering that YCFC finished near the bottom of the Blue Square Premier League while Cambrdge narrowly missed promotion to League Two.  I'm looking forward to seeing some matches at this level.  YCFC is sponsored by Kit Kat, the candy bar, and their park is called the Kit Kat Crescent.  It still has terraces.  Should be interesting.

Back home, we've been invited to the home of an Everton fan next Saturday morning at 8:45 for an FA Cup final party.  I guess we will have to find something blue to wear to support the Toffees against Chelsea.  Our Everton friend has finally accepted that American Liverpool fans can support Everton at times, something he finds personally incredible.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 25, 2009, 12:52:20 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on May 23, 2009, 11:20:13 PM
Back home, we've been invited to the home of an Everton fan next Saturday morning at 8:45 for an FA Cup final party.  I guess we will have to find something blue to wear to support the Toffees against Chelsea.  Our Everton friend has finally accepted that American Liverpool fans can support Everton at times, something he finds personally incredible.
Too funny!  +1!   :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on May 25, 2009, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: sac on May 16, 2009, 01:13:35 PM
at the bottom.........

disaster for Newcastle as Hull City gain a point with a 1-1 draw at Bolton and Newcastle lose at home to Fulham.
16 Sunderland 36
17 Hull  35
-----------------------------
18 Newcastle 34
19 Middlesborough 32
20 West Brom 31

Newcastle finishes at 6th placed Aston Villa next weekend.  Hull faces Man Utd.  Middlesborough plays West Ham.  Newcastle does hold the goal differential edge over Hull, Middlesborough and WestBrom.  Sunderland have 2 matches left, they should squeek by.

West Brom plays Liverpool tommorrow, wouldn't expect anything from that.......and a loss sends them down.
Bad news for Newcastle.  Own goal does them in. :'(

http://www.premierleague.com/page/MatchReports/0,,12306~44096,00.html#

QuoteNewcastle United's 16-year spell in the Premier League came to an end as Damien Duff's own goal doomed them to a 1-0 defeat at Aston Villa.

Duff deflected a 38th-minute shot from stand-in skipper Gareth Barry past his own goalkeeper Steve Harper to seal their fate.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 26, 2009, 12:37:15 AM
Newcastle, Middlesborough, West Brom go down.

Wolverhampton, Birmingham, and playoff winners Burnley go up.  Burnley enter the EPL for the first time.


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 26, 2009, 08:35:40 AM
Wolfsburg takes the German Bundesliga title for 08-09 by beating Werder Bremen, 5-1. Bayern Munich finishes second.

Armenia Bielefeld and Karlsruher go down, and Cottbus has to play Nurnberg home and away later this week.

German Cup Final matchup:  Werder Bremen vs. Bayer Leverkusen.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 03, 2009, 09:15:41 AM
Quick wrapup of the EPL/CL season, as transfer gossip (and transfers!) start up.

Liverpool got their shooting boots on just a little too late for the EPL.  Too many draws; just two goals in the right matches would have brought them the title.  But next season looks good.

Words couldn't describe how good Barcelona looked in the CL final.  They were on another planet from Man U that night.

For the FA Cup Final, I discovered that I could indeed drink beer at 8:45 a.m., but unfortunately the beer didn't help either our Everton friend's team or his mood afterwards.  Fortunately it was a nice day and we were able to talk gardening afterward.

Just read about Gareth Barry's move to Man City for £12 million, and it's perplexing.  He was insistent that he wanted a team with Champions League prospects so he chose...Man City?  This morning he says he was afraid of going stale.  Personally, I'm glad Liverpool are keeping Xabi Alonso.

Now we have--what?--about six weeks before the friendlies start up again. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on June 03, 2009, 02:07:13 PM
I am simply thrilled that Barry made his decision early so that we did not have to spend another summer wondering whether he would stay at Villa or not.

I am looking forward to/hoping to see the Gunners add some experienced center-backs, as well as an experience defensive midfielder.  And if Adebayor leaves, a striker as well.

Has the Kaka deal to Real been finalized, or did the press jump the gun again?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 03, 2009, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 03, 2009, 02:07:13 PM
I am simply thrilled that Barry made his decision early so that we did not have to spend another summer wondering whether he would stay at Villa or not.

Great point--no one wanted another summer of O'Neill and Rafa battling it out!  :D 

Quote from: Joe Wally on June 03, 2009, 02:07:13 PM
I am looking forward to/hoping to see the Gunners add some experienced center-backs, as well as an experience defensive midfielder.  And if Adebayor leaves, a striker as well.
Those sound like good goals for Arsenal.

Quote from: Joe Wally on June 03, 2009, 02:07:13 PM
Has the Kaka deal to Real been finalized, or did the press jump the gun again?

On the BBC web page right now:  "Kaka's AC Milan future will be cleared up on Monday with the ultimate decision resting with the Brazilian playmaker, according to owner Silvio Berlusconi."  We shall see. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 07, 2009, 06:20:15 AM
6-06 World Cup Qualifier Final:

El Salvador 1, Mexico 0. (That match was played at El Salvador.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 08, 2009, 03:22:00 PM


Quote from: Joe Wally on June 03, 2009, 02:07:13 PM
Has the Kaka deal to Real been finalized, or did the press jump the gun again?


Re:  the above

Today's news:  Kaka Edges Closer to Madrid Move (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8082147.stm)
He had a physical.  Stay tuned, but don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 08, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
It never ceases to crack me up that a player willingly goes by the name 'Kaka' (and wants to play in Spain, no less)! :o 

He must be one wild-and-crazy guy (think-skinned, too)! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 08, 2009, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 08, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
It never ceases to crack me up that a player willingly goes by the name 'Kaka' (and wants to play in Spain, no less)! :o 


We haven't talked much about the "I'm on Setanta Sports" puppets here for a while (and the show has now become "Special One TV."  But here's an especially good clip with reference to the above-named player about a minute in:

Wayne talks about Kaka and shows off his Ronnie puppet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7XL4SjliI)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 08, 2009, 06:04:55 PM
Have sportswriters managed to rise above the obvious jokes when Kaka plays poorly?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 08, 2009, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 08, 2009, 06:04:55 PM
Have sportswriters managed to rise above the obvious jokes when Kaka plays poorly?

I've only seen him in the two Champions League finals against Liverpool.  I don't remember any jokes then.  I think the name is actually pronounced ka-KA, but of course it's open to mispronunciation.  I think when you can play the way he can it helps create a thick skin.

Here's the word:  Kaka completes switch to Madrid (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8082147.stm)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 08, 2009, 11:53:38 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 08, 2009, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 08, 2009, 06:04:55 PM
Have sportswriters managed to rise above the obvious jokes when Kaka plays poorly?

I've only seen him in the two Champions League finals against Liverpool.  I don't remember any jokes then.  I think the name is actually pronounced ka-KA, but of course it's open to mispronunciation.  I think when you can play the way he can it helps create a thick skin.

Here's the word:  Kaka completes switch to Madrid (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8082147.stm)

Yeah, I knew that.  You think opposing fans would be concerned with 'proper' pronunciation?! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 10, 2009, 11:26:30 PM
World Cup Qualifier Final just in:

Mexico 2, Trinidad & Tobago 1  (T & T tied this one in 1st half stoppage time- then El Tri scored 4 minutes into the second half and held on--)

Also heard England beat their opponent 6-0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on June 11, 2009, 03:10:38 PM
The return of the Galacticos, and the dimming of the star power in the Premiership.

Acc. to espn soccernent, Man U has agreed to send Christiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid.

I'm a Gunners fan, always have been since I started watching the game, so in some sense I am happy to see a weaker Man U come into the EPL season next fall (although I am sure that Ferguson will work very, very, hard to fill the void left by the loss of Ronaldo).  That said, two fixtures aside, I found Ronaldo to be a truly extraordinary talent to watch, and I will miss seeing him wreak havoc throughout the EPL.

Good luck in Spain, Christiano!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 11, 2009, 04:08:10 PM
£80 million transfer fee, it was.  Wow.

I've never been sold on CR myself.  Yes, he undoubtedly has skills.  But too often (and a LOT down the stretch this season) he has seemed to be more concerned about himself than about the team game.  No tracking back, for example.

I suspect that some of the MU players (Wayne Rooney, for example) were getting tired of playing a support role.  My guess is the Man U locker room may be a happier place.  And you know that Ferguson would have already been putting things in order--this has been in the works for a long time.

As with Gareth Barry, we can be grateful that it didn't drag on for another two months. 

So that's £135 million Real has forked out for two players.  Again, wow.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 11, 2009, 04:08:10 PM
£80 million transfer fee, it was.  Wow.

I've never been sold on CR myself.  Yes, he undoubtedly has skills.  But too often (and a LOT down the stretch this season) he has seemed to be more concerned about himself than about the team game.  No tracking back, for example.

I suspect that some of the MU players (Wayne Rooney, for example) were getting tired of playing a support role.  My guess is the Man U locker room may be a happier place.  And you know that Ferguson would have already been putting things in order--this has been in the works for a long time.

As with Gareth Barry, we can be grateful that it didn't drag on for another two months. 

So that's £135 million Real has forked out for two players.  Again, wow.

They're gonna give the Yankees a 'miser complex'! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 11, 2009, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 04:28:07 PM


They're gonna give the Yankees a 'miser complex'! ;)

According to Forbes, the most valuable sports franchises in the world

1.  Manchester United
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. Washington Redskins
4. New England Patriots
5. New York Yankees
6. Real Madrid
7. Arsenal
8. New York Giants
9. New York Jets
10. Houston Texans
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on June 11, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
They could have had me for a quarter of that, okay maybe a third.   ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on June 11, 2009, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: sac on June 11, 2009, 05:42:02 PM
According to Forbes, the most valuable sports franchises in the world

1.  Manchester United
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. Washington Redskins
4. New England Patriots
5. New York Yankees
6. Real Madrid
7. Arsenal
8. New York Giants
9. New York Jets
10. Houston Texans

The Houston Texans??????  I guess it is the NFL in Texas, but really the Texans?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 11, 2009, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: sac on June 11, 2009, 05:42:02 PM
According to Forbes, the most valuable sports franchises in the world

1.  Manchester United
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. Washington Redskins
4. New England Patriots
5. New York Yankees
6. Real Madrid
7. Arsenal
8. New York Giants
9. New York Jets
10. Houston Texans

The Houston Texans??????  I guess it is the NFL in Texas, but really the Texans?

One could say the same thing about the Jets! :P  Simple: huge market; rabid fans.

Interesting that the Yankees are the only non-football team on the list.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 11, 2009, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 11, 2009, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: sac on June 11, 2009, 05:42:02 PM
According to Forbes, the most valuable sports franchises in the world

1.  Manchester United
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. Washington Redskins
4. New England Patriots
5. New York Yankees
6. Real Madrid
7. Arsenal
8. New York Giants
9. New York Jets
10. Houston Texans

The Houston Texans??????  I guess it is the NFL in Texas, but really the Texans?

I'm going to guess most of that valuation comes from the $700 million they had to pay just for the right to have a franchise in Houston.


Most of the NFL franchises are rated so valuable because of television deals.  Whats odd about the Jets, Giants and Texans is they do not own the stadium's whereas the Cowboys, Redskins and Patriots (or at least their owners) do.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 11:08:08 PM
sac,

Did your source give rankings beyond the top ten?

I'd be curious when NBA or NHL teams first come in.

I'd guess that the Lakers would be the next non-football (or, perhaps, baseball) team.  Conceivably the Celtics (by tradition) or the Knicks (by market), but I'd guess the Lakers.

Probably much farther down the list, but despite the Detroit economic travails, I'd guess the Wings.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 12, 2009, 03:31:30 PM
No full list, here's the Forbes article

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/13/nfl-cowboys-yankees-biz-media-cx_tvr_0113values.html

I guess a big reason why the Houston Texans are ranked is their $300 million naming rights deal for Reliant Stadium.

-------------------------------------

Found this on ESPN.com, its a Forbes list, not sure what year its from though.........I'm going to say its old though considering they have the Montreal Expos on the list. :D.....but its good for the general idea of most valuable franchises.

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 15, 2009, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 11, 2009, 03:10:38 PM
...so in some sense I am happy to see a weaker Man U come into the EPL season next fall (although I am sure that Ferguson will work very, very, hard to fill the void left by the loss of Ronaldo). 
And with an added £80 million at his disposal, I'm sure he will not only be adding quality, but quantity as well...  It is already rumored that ManU are targeting young Spanish sensation David Villa and have reportedly offered £45 million to his current club Valencia.  But, it seems that the £135 million that Real have already spent on their 2 record shattering transfers already this offseason might not be all as they have reportedly thrown their name in the hat for Villa's services as well...  :-\  It seems that Chelsea was already turned down by Villa because of his desire to stay in Spain.  We'll see just how much of a desire he has to stay in Spain if he turns down ManU's reported offer that would also be a Premiership record transfer fee.

As for the Ronaldo transfer, I am interested  to see how he does under a new manager.  I thought Fergie did a tremendous job of keeping guys like Rooney and Tevez appeased while dealing with Ronaldo who seems to always want to be the center of attention.  I think Manuel Pellegrini will have a tall order on hand just keeping the egos in check of all the stars on Real...


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2009, 09:46:37 AM
Next year's EPL fixtures list is out.

The British government agreed, after this year's Hillsborough memorial service, to re-open many documents pertaining to the way the police and authorities reacted to the medical casualties.  (They were to have been kept closed for 30 years; it's been 20).  Nothing has happened yet, though.  There was a petition of support for British Nationals to sign on the Liverpool FC web page, but they have recently added one for non-Brits to comment and show their support.  These comments will be kept separate from the petition, but will help to show that football fans--and concerned citizens--worldwide know about Hillsborough.

The original page was signed by Man U and Everton supporters, among others--this is an issue that goes far beyond team loyalty.

If anyone would like to add a comment, the petition is here:  Non-Brit support page (http://m4j.co.uk/March4Justice/International.html)  The petition closes on Saturday, June 20.

Thanks very much.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2009, 05:07:35 PM
Brazil spanked USA, 3-0, in today's Confederations Cup, all but eliminating them.  They remain mathematically alive because Egypt stunned Italy, 1-0.

To continue, USA would have to beat Egypt by at least 5 goals (they've matched Brazil and Italy in goals, while the US has been out-scored 6-1), while Italy loses to Brazil (by at least 2, unless USA downs Egypt by MORE than 5 goals).  Not absolutely impossible, but realistically USA is toast.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2009, 07:02:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2009, 05:07:35 PM
Brazil spanked USA, 3-0, in today's Confederations Cup, all but eliminating them.  They remain mathematically alive because Egypt stunned Italy, 1-0.

To continue, USA would have to beat Egypt by at least 5 goals (they've matched Brazil and Italy in goals, while the US has been out-scored 6-1), while Italy loses to Brazil (by at least 2, unless USA downs Egypt by MORE than 5 goals).  Not absolutely impossible, but realistically USA is toast.

The only good news in that is Italy's defeat.  They are the dirtiest side I know.  The red card against the US in their match with Italy was one of the most pitiful refereeing decisions I've seen all year.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2009, 07:16:14 PM
HT, and the same son who rooted for the Penguins over the Wings is also a huge Italy fan - where did I go wrong! :(

Am I correct that goal differential trumps head-to-head?  If I'm wrong on that, USA may have slightly more life since a big win by Brazil over Italy would reduce the necessary margin of victory by USA over Egypt.  But (unlike most American sports' standings), I'm pretty sure GD comes before h-t-h in settling ties.

Tough draw for USA with both Brazil and Italy in their group.  I think they would be favored (or at least even) against all but Spain in the other group.  If RSA can only tie Iraq (!) and modestly beat NZ (!!), USA should be at least even-favorites with RSA.  Guess we'll never know.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 18, 2009, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2009, 07:16:14 PM
Am I correct that goal differential trumps head-to-head?  If I'm wrong on that, USA may have slightly more life since a big win by Brazil over Italy would reduce the necessary margin of victory by USA over Egypt.  But (unlike most American sports' standings), I'm pretty sure GD comes before h-t-h in settling ties.

Tough draw for USA with both Brazil and Italy in their group.  I think they would be favored (or at least even) against all but Spain in the other group.  If RSA can only tie Iraq (!) and modestly beat NZ (!!), USA should be at least even-favorites with RSA.  Guess we'll never know.
I'm pretty sure you are correct in that GD trumps head to head.  And as for RSA, I guess being the hosts means you get to choose the groups as well.  I mean, Iraq and New Zealand in the same group???  If RSA doesn't move on out of the group stages they would be guilty of one massive choke job... ::)

Meanwhile, the US has to go up against the defending World Champs and arguably one of the best teams in the world in their first 2 matches and then they get the African champions in Egypt if their first 2 matches weren't tough enough?  :P  Yeah, that seems fair...  ::)

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2009, 07:16:14 PM
HT, and the same son who rooted for the Penguins over the Wings is also a huge Italy fan - where did I go wrong! :(
Ahhhh!  I can live with your son being a Pens fan, but Italian football???  The horror!   :P  Next you're going to tell us he is an Ohio State fan...   :P

I can't stand the Italian brand of football.  And that red card they gave Clark was total BS and totally changed the complexion of that match.  And if that call wasn't bad enough, how about the elbow that Italian defender landed on Donavan that didn't even draw a card?  Complete BS which is how I feel about Italian football...  Personally, I thought Sasha's red card in today's match was a bit harsh as well.  I thought both were deserving of yellow cards, but red???  Come on...  Brazil and Italy are tough enough to beat at full strength.  But for the US to be asked to do it in both games a man down???

I just hope that the US comes out fired up against Egypt.  At least salvage something out of this trip and beat the African champs!

Oh and I hope that we see no Demarcus Beasley in the match with Egypt either.  Talk about a player that has never lived up to their potential.  He was downright horrible today!  I mean, that ball he lost that was played right to him on that corner that led directly to one of the easiest counter attacks I have ever seen?  Surely the US can do better than Demarcus Beasley?  I'm hoping to not see his name on the WC roster come next summer...  :-\  Unless he shows something between now and then, I think he is well on his way to playing himself off of the MNT by his last couple of performances and especially today's performance...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2009, 12:00:17 AM
SF,

I only saw a few minutes of the Italy/Egypt game, so can't comment (and missed all of the USA/Brazil game).

Agree with you about Italian football (though not about Pen's hockey ;)), but fear not - David will be a senior at UM this coming year - even as a rebel, ain't no way he could be an OSU fan! :o :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 19, 2009, 01:13:15 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2009, 12:00:17 AM

Agree with you about Italian football (though not about Pen's hockey ;)), but fear not - David will be a senior at UM this coming year - even as a rebel, ain't no way he could be an OSU fan! :o :D
Good to know Mr. Y.  At least he's not a complete loss!  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 19, 2009, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 18, 2009, 09:30:14 PM
I can't stand the Italian brand of football.  And that red card they gave Clark was total BS and totally changed the complexion of that match.  And if that call wasn't bad enough, how about the elbow that Italian defender landed on Donavan that didn't even draw a card?  Complete BS which is how I feel about Italian football... 

Couldn't have said it better.
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 18, 2009, 09:30:14 PM
Oh and I hope that we see no Demarcus Beasley in the match with Egypt either.  Talk about a player that has never lived up to their potential.  He was downright horrible today!  I mean, that ball he lost that was played right to him on that corner that led directly to one of the easiest counter attacks I have ever seen?  Surely the US can do better than Demarcus Beasley?  I'm hoping to not see his name on the WC roster come next summer...  :-\  Unless he shows something between now and then, I think he is well on his way to playing himself off of the MNT by his last couple of performances and especially today's performance...

We sped through the match up until that point.  When we saw the second Brazil goal speed by, my husband said "How did they get such a breakaway?"  Watching at normal speed showed Beasley's howler.  I totally agree, SF.

Alexi Lalas said something cryptic in the pregame.  He said something like, "The US has a lot of good players, but it's not clear that they are the right collection of players to be playing together.  It's not enough to play in the EPL, or MLS, you need to want to be on this team..."  Which made me wonder--a lot of those guys play MLS but not many play in the EPL.  He surely couldn't have meant Tim Howard, who was heroic against Italy.  Clint Dempsey?  Has he underachieved?  I don't spend a lot of time watching the US men's team--does anyone have any idea what he might have been talking about?  Or was it just "commentator with time to fill" talk?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 21, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!  USA GOES THRU!!!! :o ;D

USA 3, Egypt 0.  (The other day I had a brain-fart, forgetting that each goal for USA simultaneously lowers Egypt's GD, so only 3 goals were need to overcome a 5 goal deficit.)

Brazil 3, Italy 0.  (I'd assumed that if USA and Italy were tied in GD, Italy would win by h-t-h, but the next tie breaker is total goals: USA 4, Italy 3.)

Having already accomplished the nearly impossible, they get to try again - taking on the best team in the world!  Spain has not lost in 35 straight games, and has won 15 in a row (a new all-time record).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 21, 2009, 09:54:59 PM
Just discovered that my speculation the other day may get tested after all - the Cup has a third place game, and odds are that will be USA vs. RSA. ;)

My elder son watched most of RSA's matches, and believes they have essentially zero chance of upsetting Brazil.  Anyone think USA has any realistic chance against Spain?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2009, 12:07:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 21, 2009, 09:54:59 PM
Just discovered that my speculation the other day may get tested after all - the Cup has a third place game, and odds are that will be USA vs. RSA. ;)

My elder son watched most of RSA's matches, and believes they have essentially zero chance of upsetting Brazil.  Anyone think USA has any realistic chance against Spain?

Um...in three words:  No, no, no.

Sorry to be a wet blanket, and I'm absolutely thrilled about today's results for Italy's sake :P, but I don't see that upset happening.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
I'd say that's being realistic, not a wet blanket. :(

My take is that if the US brings their A+ game, Spain plays over-confident, AND they catch some breaks, USA has maybe a 15-20% of the upset.  We'll be in Put-in-Bay (after dropping sons and guests at Cedar Point) that day.  I kinda doubt we'll find anywhere to watch a soccer game, and (considering the likely carnage) not sure how hard we'll try. :P

But I AM looking forward to both the title and 3rd place games.  Probably the two best teams in the world in one; the WC host vs. the contender/pretender (?) Americans in the other.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 22, 2009, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 21, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!  USA GOES THRU!!!! :o ;D

USA 3, Egypt 0.  (The other day I had a brain-fart, forgetting that each goal for USA simultaneously lowers Egypt's GD, so only 3 goals were need to overcome a 5 goal deficit.)

Brazil 3, Italy 0.  (I'd assumed that if USA and Italy were tied in GD, Italy would win by h-t-h, but the next tie breaker is total goals: USA 4, Italy 3.)

Having already accomplished the nearly impossible, they get to try again - taking on the best team in the world!  Spain has not lost in 35 straight games, and has won 15 in a row (a new all-time record).
Holy crap!  I'm a little late because I figured the US was all but dead so I forgot all about even turning their game with Egypt on.  Plus between watching the Cubs all weekend and the US Open and swimming with my kids, watching what I figured would be another disappointing MNT performance wasn't exactly at the top of my priority list...  :-\  Go figure they actually showed up for a match...

I guess now I'll have to watch and see how they do vs. Spain on Wednesday.  I'm not holding out too much hope for lightning to strike twice though... 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2009, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2009, 12:30:00 AM

My take is that if the US brings their A+ game, Spain plays over-confident, AND they catch some breaks, USA has maybe a 15-20% of the upset. 

But I AM looking forward to both the title and 3rd place games.  Probably the two best teams in the world in one; the WC host vs. the contender/pretender (?) Americans in the other.

Well, again, not to be a naysayer but:  1) the US hasn't played that well in this tournament; 2)  I've never seen Spain play overconfident; and 3) the two cheesy red cards against the US seem to indicate they might not be catching a break.  I just don't see it.  But it will be interesting to see how they do.

I know that Italy won the last World Cup, but are they really one of the best two or three teams in the world?  So much of their game seems based on thugginess to me.  I expect a certain amount of elbow throwing and shirt grabbing, but they are just ridiculous.  And then falling down and grabbing at body parts that weren't even hit when there's even minimal contact.  If they gave Oscars to football players, the Italians would have more than Meryl Streep!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2009, 09:32:29 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2009, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2009, 12:30:00 AM

My take is that if the US brings their A+ game, Spain plays over-confident, AND they catch some breaks, USA has maybe a 15-20% of the upset. 

But I AM looking forward to both the title and 3rd place games.  Probably the two best teams in the world in one; the WC host vs. the contender/pretender (?) Americans in the other.

Well, again, not to be a naysayer but:  1) the US hasn't played that well in this tournament; 2)  I've never seen Spain play overconfident; and 3) the two cheesy red cards against the US seem to indicate they might not be catching a break.  I just don't see it.  But it will be interesting to see how they do.

I know that Italy won the last World Cup, but are they really one of the best two or three teams in the world?  So much of their game seems based on thugginess to me.  I expect a certain amount of elbow throwing and shirt grabbing, but they are just ridiculous.  And then falling down and grabbing at body parts that weren't even hit when there's even minimal contact.  If they gave Oscars to football players, the Italians would have more than Meryl Streep!


Not talking about Italy - they're going home.  The title game (presumably) is Spain (clearly #1) vs. Brazil (at least arguably #2).

I wonder if Rossi is feeling like Marian Hossa (the former Penguin who became a Red Wing to have a better shot at the Stanley Cup :o)? ;D  [Note: I think they both probably made a rational decision, even if if didn't work out.  The aging of the Wings can be easily exaggerated; I think they are still, and will be, the better team.  And most days (including the day they played), Italy is probably better than USA.  So in my totally unbiased opinion, cheers to Hossa, fie on Rossi! 8).]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 22, 2009, 11:58:28 PM
Yes, I know the Italians are going home--just meant that most people would probably count them among the best in the world.  I haven't checked their ranking lately.  Didn't mean to imply that you'd said they were still in it.

Objectively, I guess I can't blame Rossi, but given the way I feel about Italian football I'm in no mood to be objective!  So I agree, fie on him!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 23, 2009, 11:44:24 AM
Italy are #4, curiously ahead of Brazil and behind Germany.

Next ranking on July 1.

1. Spain
4. Italy
5. Brazil
14. United States
72. South Africa
-------------------------

Some interesting Liverpool ownership news...........I did not know Gillete owned the Montreal Canadians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8111715.stm
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 24, 2009, 01:27:39 PM
Well, here's ESPN's take on today's match, in case you missed it, Mr. Y.  They sound slightly more optimistic than I for the U.S. chances.  But it doesn't sound like the Spanish are taking the match lightly.

U.S. v. Spain preview (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=656762&sec=us&root=us&cc=5901)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 24, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
yeah, about that USA having no chance thing..........wow  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 24, 2009, 04:30:07 PM
11 pm  on ESPN 2   USA vs Spain
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 24, 2009, 04:38:59 PM
Unbelievable!  I'm happy to be wrong and happy for the US side.  Sounds like they thoroughly deserved it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 24, 2009, 08:22:59 PM
Quote from: sac on June 24, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
yeah, about that USA having no chance thing..........wow  :o :o :o :o :o
Wow is right!  I have to say, I think this is about as good as I've seen the MNT play ever over their last 2 matches!  What a way to rebound after the horrific start to this tournament!  Who would have thought that the US might get another shot at Brazil (given they beat the hosts...  ::) ) to play for the tournament trophy?

One disappointment that came out of the match was Michael Bradley's red card late in the game.  Personally, I would have thought a yellow card would have been a bit harsh for Bradley's challenge, but a red card???  It's as if these officials have it out for the Americans or something?!  That makes 3 red cards in 4 matches in this tournament.  And I would say maybe one of them was deserved and that is a stretch to say that...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
Just got in from Cedar Point and Put-in-Bay, too late for the ESPN2 replay (and, of course, I missed the game, though caught the result on the bottom scroll of ESPN at a bar soon after the game ended).  If anyone hears of another replay of the game, please let me know.

Simply amazing!  Not only had Spain won 15 straight, and not lost in over 3 years, they had not given up a single goal since early April!  The new rankings are going to be interesting - especially if USA pulls another shocker in the title game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 25, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
The new rankings are going to be interesting - especially if USA pulls another shocker in the title game.
Yeah.  I was discussing this with a friend of mine.  We were wondering if the US will move up with this result and if so, how much?  They did have 2 pretty poor results prior to this stunner.  But, they were also both against teams ranked in the top 5 in the world, so they were sort of expected.  And the US was also a man down in both of those matches which I don't know if that has any bearing or not?  However, if the US manages to pull off yet another stunner on Sunday, I think the only question will be how far they move up...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 25, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 25, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
The new rankings are going to be interesting - especially if USA pulls another shocker in the title game.
Yeah.  I was discussing this with a friend of mine.  We were wondering if the US will move up with this result and if so, how much?  They did have 2 pretty poor results prior to this stunner.  But, they were also both against teams ranked in the top 5 in the world, so they were sort of expected.  And the US was also a man down in both of those matches which I don't know if that has any bearing or not?  However, if the US manages to pull off yet another stunner on Sunday, I think the only question will be how far they move up...

I would think they are assured of moving up.  What a ridiculously complicated formula though..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Rankings

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=m/fullranking.html

The good news is that despite low fan interest the Confederations Cup is equal to a  Continental Cup (Gold Cup for the USA) game..........or 3 times more valuable than a friendly.

If I've calculated everything correctly the win over Spain and assuming a loss to Brazil, should be worth a minimum of 210 points in the yearly points average, which will come down with every game played the rest of the year.  But it should be enough to put the USA #11 and within reach of #10 France and #9 Russia....or even ahead of them at the July 1 rankings.


I fully expect an effort will be made to downgrade the importance of the Confederations Cup in the FIFA rankings should the USA crack the top 10.  ::)


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 25, 2009, 02:53:43 PM
Just for kicks.........the USA's win over Egypt was worth about 168 average points.........the USA could be flirting with #6 England.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2009, 04:50:47 PM
Interesting that it took Brazil until the 88th minute to score on RSA; final was 1-0.

After yesterday and today, I'm retiring from predictions! :P

BTW, finally caught some highlights of USA/Spain.  I'm not at all certain the call on Bradley merited even a yellow; it was one of the most bogus reds I've ever seen.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 25, 2009, 06:53:19 PM
Doesn't FIFA have some sort of appeals system when it comes to unwarranted red cards like the NBA has with technical fouls?  Not having Bradley available is really going to hurt.  I will say, having Bocanegra back was a HUGE lift for the back 4!  He doesn't wear that captains arm band by accident.

And speaking of Sunday's match with Brazil...  Demarcus Beasley better not even sniff the field vs. Brazil.  In fact, maybe they should just leave him at the hotel...  :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2009, 07:20:13 PM
While I don't have it on tape to study in slo-mo, I just saw Bradley's 'foul' again.  He arrived from a legal angle, and arrived less than 1 second after the ball left.  As a former coach and (very occasional) ref, I'm not sure it was even a foul, much less a card.  It was a total joke to be a red card.

Alas, if FIFA has an appeals system, I'm unaware of it.

I don't want to come off as a conspiracy nut, but these refs DO seem to have a thing about the US.  Three reds in four games seems a bit much when I don't think the US has any reputation for dirty play.

If there is a non-obvious red against the US early in the title game, I think I will become a 'conspiracy nut'! ;)

While I've sworn off the prediction biz after the last two days, anyone want to tackle it?  IS this a different USA than Brazil toyed with last week?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
I believe that the US-Spain match was my first recorded prediction ever on these boards (including men's and women's baskeball).  This result convinces me that I should have kept my mouth shut!

Agree about the red card.  Interesting that the world feed only showed it once in reply.  The US has certainly gotten no breaks on the officiating.

Spain looked uncharacteristically sloppy and out of sync all over the pitch.  A large part of the credit for that has to go to the US defense:  Villa and Torres weren't getting the ball in open enough spots to do anything.  The biggest mistakes came from the Spanish defense--Capdevila on Altidore's goal and the often-questionable Sergio Ramos on Dempsey's.  Both were very nice goals that came from taking advantage of being left open for an instant.

It was a fun match and I wouldn't have been unhappy with either side winning.  Now I will support Spain in one match and the US in the other.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 25, 2009, 08:39:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2009, 07:20:13 PM

I don't want to come off as a conspiracy nut, but these refs DO seem to have a thing about the US.  Three reds in four games seems a bit much when I don't think the US has any reputation for dirty play.

If there is a non-obvious red against the US early in the title game, I think I will become a 'conspiracy nut'! ;)

I've said as much concerning the ref's showing some sort of bias towards the Americans when it comes to handing out red cards like candy.  But, I do feel that the US has gained a reputation of making hard rash challenges and many of them are late.  Whether that reputation is fair or not, I think this is part of the reason the refs seem to be quick on the trigger finger when it comes to dolling out red cards to the MNT...

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2009, 07:20:13 PM
While I've sworn off the prediction biz after the last two days, anyone want to tackle it?  IS this a different USA than Brazil toyed with last week?
I think the addition of Bocanegra in the back really solidifies the US defense as I said above.  Just his addition in the lineup makes this a better team than the one Brazil made look foolish.  And hopefully Davies gets the start in place of Beasley which is a marked improvement as well.  Unfortunately, Bradley will be missed in the midfield, but I'm hopeful the start goes to either Feilhaber or Kljestan as my feelings towards Beasley have been well documented.

I also feel that, while some dismissed the overconfidence card with Spain, I wouldn't dismiss it with Brazil.  The Brazilians had the benefit of playing a man up and the US had to be a bit worn down having to play a man down in their previous match as well.  Brazil has looked good at times in this tournament vs. the US and Italy.  But, they have also looked very beatable as they did today vs. RSA and in their opener vs. Egypt where they blew a 3-1 lead only to get a late goal to win that one as well.  I'm not going to predict a US win, but I think at the very least, they will put up a better fight than the one they did a week ago.  It would be sweet to see them follow up that great upset of Spain by downing yet another top 5 squad!  8)  A US win would also go a long way in silencing some of their critics in the sports media who still won't admit that win yesterday was a big win for US Soccer...  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 25, 2009, 08:45:14 PM
Team USA players almost seem to play as if they expect a red card at some point.......credit is due for the way they handle such situations..........plenty of experience for sure.  Other teams might have panicked.


Thought Spain was indeed out of sync as well, they found Torres at least twice breaking open, only to see the pass go behind him........to go along with a number of passes that were just off.  But the US defense was tight, always seemed to be in the right spot for the clear.

Interesting game to watch, its not as if the US played lights out soccer from end to end, they had their own moments of slop.  With Brazil's result today, who's to say the US can't beat them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 28, 2009, 05:16:01 PM
+k for the effort USA..........3-2 losses to Brazil are now disappointing
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2009, 10:12:12 PM
With USA up 2-0 at the half, I can't help wondering if that bogus red card on Bradley might have made the difference in the second half. :(

On second thought, switch that  :( to  >:(.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 28, 2009, 10:37:22 PM
Catching up on some reading on the bbc........ran across this

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2494933/And-you-thought-relegation-was-bad.html

which led to these pictures....click to enlarge, and don't miss the one's further down
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2497034/Our-worst-XI-of-the-most-tasteless-kits-in-football.html?offset=0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 29, 2009, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: sac on June 28, 2009, 05:16:01 PM
+k for the effort USA..........3-2 losses to Brazil are now disappointing
How true! 

But, even as disappointing as the loss is for the MNT, they showed they belong and that is a positive IMO!  They were definitely a different team than the one that took the pitch in the first 2 matches of the tournament!  While I would have loved for the US to come away with the win yesterday, I'm still left with excitement as they continue on in WCQ and on to the WC next summer! 

As Alexi said in the post game show, the US can use this and build off of it as they move forward as opposed to turning it into a negative!

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 29, 2009, 11:14:21 AM
A day later, well done, US.  They have set themselves a new standard.  I've been thinking about how many good goalkeepers the US has produced, and wondering if the importance of basketball in our sports culture has something to do with it.  The rest of the world is catching up, but when today's keepers were kids, the US was still THE world power, of course.  Some of Tim Howard's best moves look like those of a basketball player.

I'd say Spain has some work to do on the back line before the World Cup.  Sergio Ramos, with his propensity to push forward on offense, has always caused some scary moments if coverage isn't there when possession changes.  Spain paid for that against the US and Ramos sat against South Africa.

And thanks for the bad kit photos, sac.  (Even though my eyes are still burning.)  Looks as though Newcastle supporters are going to suffer insult added to injury by having to look like a "deck chair on Blackpool beach."  The best comment, though, was from the former Norwich player who said he looked like "the filling of an egg and cress sandwich"--and I recognized his photo instantly. Good stuff.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2009, 12:39:29 PM
si.com has an article up regarding ESPN's broadcast plans for the 2010 World Cup.  Among the highlights: they plan to broadcast EVERY game live; even better - Dave O'Brien and Marcelo Balboa will apparently NOT be around! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8131801.stm

Argh!! The RAT!!   >:(  Although I shouldn't be surprised.  He's made nothing but bad decisions since leaving Liverpool.  And he was one of the main reasons I became a Liverpool supporter ten years ago--Gerrard was only a kid then, and MO wasn't much older. 

But I have to wonder about this from Man U's side--is there an air of desperation, now that CR and Tevez are gone?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on July 06, 2009, 07:56:35 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2009, 12:39:29 PM
si.com has an article up regarding ESPN's broadcast plans for the 2010 World Cup.  Among the highlights: they plan to broadcast EVERY game live; even better - Dave O'Brien and Marcelo Balboa will apparently NOT be around! ;D

Right on Ypsi.    I think they can do much better than John Harkes and much better than Tommy Smith as well. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 06, 2009, 07:21:31 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8131801.stm

Argh!! The RAT!!   >:(  Although I shouldn't be surprised.  He's made nothing but bad decisions since leaving Liverpool.  And he was one of the main reasons I became a Liverpool supporter ten years ago--Gerrard was only a kid then, and MO wasn't much older. 

But I have to wonder about this from Man U's side--is there an air of desperation, now that CR and Tevez are gone?

Owen was one of the reasons I started following Liverpool many years ago. 


Hasn't done much of anything since leaving Liverpool,  1/3 the number of games and 1/4 the number of goals in a little under the same number of years.  Unless he's 100% healthy, which he hasn't ever been I don't think he'll play much for ManU.

Berbatov, Owen and Rooney is a nice pairing if Owen can find his former form though.  It will look very weird to see him in a United shirt.........not just because United's new shirt looks weird either.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 07, 2009, 08:44:36 AM
Onyewu signs for Milan:  http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_5418553,00.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 08, 2009, 01:21:55 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2009, 07:20:13 PM
While I don't have it on tape to study in slo-mo, I just saw Bradley's 'foul' again.  He arrived from a legal angle, and arrived less than 1 second after the ball left.  As a former coach and (very occasional) ref, I'm not sure it was even a foul, much less a card.  It was a total joke to be a red card.

Alas, if FIFA has an appeals system, I'm unaware of it.

At least some justice came of this red card that Michael Bradley received at the end of MNT's match with Spain.  Not only was Bradley forced to miss the championship game of the Confederations Cup, but FIFA piled on a 3 game suspension (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=659555&sec=us&cc=5901) for some reason?! 

Well, in a sort of screw you to FIFA, Bradley will be able complete his suspension during the CONCACAF Gold Cup even though he isn't even on the roster for the MNT during the competition!  :D  This is huge, because he would have missed their WC qualifier at Mexico coming up in August if this wasn't the case! 

In other news, is there no end to Real's spending spree this summer???  They have now crossed over the €220 million threshold with their signing of Karim Benzima for €35 million!  And apparently Real isn't done yet as they are now targeting Bayern Munich's Franck Ribery and are prepared to offer the French international €50 million for his services!  I'm sorry, but this sort of spending is a bit out of control if you ask me...  ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 09, 2009, 10:51:47 PM
Ronaldo's introduction to the Real Madrid fans.........the video's worth a play

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8135671.stm

I can't think of a single American athlete who would draw such an audience for switching teams.  (never heard a Portuguese/English accent before ;))
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 10, 2009, 03:48:34 PM
I saw the Ronaldo news and a clip from the video--the part where he loses the ball off the stage. 

I also have been wondering, given the worldwide financial instability that has been affecting most clubs, how Real can afford all this spending.
And with that crowd, I wondered how what stories those 80,000 people told their bosses about why they couldn't come to work!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 27, 2009, 10:00:50 AM
So did anyone watch El Tri take the Americans to the woodshed for an old-fashioned beat-down yesterday in the finals of the Gold Cup?  Personally, I'm not putting too much stock into that result as the US squad was made up of mostly young, unprovem and inexperience players at the international level.  I know Mexico didn't field their best team either, but they had more players with experience at the international level than the US did and the result showed glaringly in the 2nd half. 

Moving forward, this result should be relatively meaningless to the showdown between Mexico and the US at the Azteca in a couple of weeks as I would think the US will have virtually an entirely different roster heading into that WCQ than the one they fielded yesterday.  I could see one or two players from the GC roster get carried over to the one Bradley releases for the WCQ with Mexico which is why I'm not taking yesterday's result too harshly. 

All in all, I feel pretty good about this US squad's performance in this year's GC.  I know this wasn't the strogest field, but for this group of young and inexperienced players to go out and make it to the finals was a pretty good result.  And I think they exceeded everyone's expectations by going as far as they did.  It's just too bad that they had to be beaten so badly in the finals and at the hands of El Tri no less...  :-\  Hopefull the 1st teamers will go out and pick these boys up with a win over El Tri at the Azteca.  That would be some sweet revenge!  8)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 08, 2009, 09:10:44 AM
2009-10 Bundesliga Season-Opening Match Final:

Defending league champ Wolfsburg 2, Stuttgart 0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on September 02, 2009, 09:10:18 PM
Anyone know if upcoming Ireland vs Cyprus and Italy vs Ireland World Cup qualifiers will be televised in US?

If not, any on line streaming access?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2009, 01:24:38 AM
CONCACAF is getting really interesting.  With the US coming from behind to down El Salvador (2-1), Honduras over T & T (4-1), and Mexico slamming Costa Rica (3-0), Honduras and USA each have 13 points (with Honduras up on goal differential), while Mexico and CR both have 12 (with El Tri ahead on GD).  [At 5 points each, El Salvador and T & T are effectively eliminated.]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: doolittledog on September 06, 2009, 08:50:01 AM
El Salvador and T & T are pretty much done.  But the top four spots are all up for grabs.  I don't want to see the US have to play in a play-in game to make the World Cup.  AND, I want to see us finish ahead of El Tri!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 08, 2009, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 06, 2009, 08:50:01 AM
El Salvador and T & T are pretty much done.  But the top four spots are all up for grabs.  I don't want to see the US have to play in a play-in game to make the World Cup.  AND, I want to see us finish ahead of El Tri!!!

Especially since as it stands at the moment, I believe the #4 Concacaf team would have to play Argentina!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 10, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
Well, things loosened up a bit in the CONCACAF standings as the US and Mexico are now 1-2 seperated by only a point followed by Hondurus 3 points clear of the US.  And Costa Rica sit in the dreaded 4th spot 4 points behind the Amreicans.  The US topped T&T 1-0 on the road last night while Mexico topped Hondurus 1-0 at the Azteca.

Clearly, El Tri seems to be in the best form of any of the contenders.  They have won 4 qualifying matches in a row including wins over the US, Costa Rica and Hondurus!  They also seem to have the easiest road to qualify as they are home vs. El Salvador and finish up at T&T.

The US can clinch a trip to South Africa with a win in their next match at Hondurus.  If they can't get it done they finish up at home vs. Costa Rica.  If the US can manage draws in their final 2 matches they should be in as well. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on October 11, 2009, 11:40:25 PM
Incredibly exciting Rep. of Ireland vs Italy WCQ last night in Croke Park Dublin.

Ireland scored first @ 7 minutes, on free kick by Liam Lawrence, (actually backward), to Glenn Whelan who sent a rocket into the right top corner of the net. No chance for Italian goalkeeper.

Italy equalized on a (26') Camoranesi header off a corner


Ireland scored again on another set piece @ the 87 minute, when Steven Hunt sent a brilliant ball toward the far corner of the net where Sean St Ledger dove horizontal 2 feet off the pitch for the header making it 2-1!!!!

Unfortunately Italy's Alberto Gilardino scored @ the 90th minute for the equaizer and punched thier ticket to South Africa.

Ireland finished behind Italy, and though they have one more qualifier vs Montenegro, will soon focus on the playoff round, on November 14 and 18,  in a home away series, with one of the other Group second place finishers.  It is likely to be either France, Russia or Greece!!!  The 4 playoff winners move on to South Africa
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 11, 2009, 11:45:48 PM
I assume anyone reading this thread is already aware of it, but just in case: USA clinched a WC berth with a 3-2 win over Honduras (after a scoreless first half).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on October 12, 2009, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 11, 2009, 11:45:48 PM
I assume anyone reading this thread is already aware of it, but just in case: USA clinched a WC berth with a 3-2 win over Honduras (after a scoreless first half).

The US actually survived a late PK miss by Hondurus to hang on for the 3-2 road win!

Nice to be able to come home with no pressure for Wed's game with Costa Rica!

I wonder if this might be an advantage for Costa Rica.  Honduras is still in position to overtake CR with a win at El Salvador and a Costa Rica loss or tie at the US.  But, I would imagine the US won't be fielding their 'A' team vs CR seeing as how they have already clinched a WC birth.  Should be interesting to see who gets the unenviable task of having to face South America's 5th place finisher which is still very much up for grabs.  Especially when that 5th place finisher could be Argentina!

As it stands now, Argentina is holding a slim one point lead on that 4th and final qualifying spot over Uruguay.  And guess who's playing each other in the final WC qualifyer?  Whomever wins between Argentina and Uruguay is in.  However, the loser could drop out of qualifying altogether if Equador manages a win over Chile in their final qualifyer!  All Argentina needs to qualify is a draw at Uruguay and they are in.  Uruguay would then have to hope for Equador to lose or draw to gain the playoff spot.  So, there is a very good possibility that Argentina finishes outside of the top five in South American qualifying and not even have the chance to qualify for South Africa via the playoff!  :o

BTW, Uruguay is home vs. Argentina and Equador is on the road at Chile...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 12, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
I am writing this from the Atlanta airport en route to Chile...will report on the Ecuador match.  Last time I was there, they played Brazil and everything was televised--even the team bus making its way to the National Stadium.  Very exciting now that they have qualified for the WC!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 12, 2009, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on October 12, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
I am writing this from the Atlanta airport en route to Chile...will report on the Ecuador match.  Last time I was there, they played Brazil and everything was televised--even the team bus making its way to the National Stadium.  Very exciting now that they have qualified for the WC!

Very cool! ;)

My wife and I want to make it to Chile someday.  She was a foreign exchange student there in high school (before most posters were born - don't ask! ;D  OK, a hint: Allende was President!) - poor dear, since American students generally go during our summer, she got three consecutive winters! :D

While I have no direct ties, I always root for Chile (once Pinochet was 'retired').
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 14, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 12, 2009, 08:23:58 PM

My wife and I want to make it to Chile someday.  She was a foreign exchange student there in high school (before most posters were born - don't ask! ;D  OK, a hint: Allende was President!) - poor dear, since American students generally go during our summer, she got three consecutive winters! :D

While I have no direct ties, I always root for Chile (once Pinochet was 'retired').

I started coming to Chile before Pinochet was "retired."  It's a lot more fun now that there aren't army personnel with machine guns on the street and random explosions going off while one is having dinner in a restaurant!  The country is doing better, too.  It's definitely a place to visit--write me if you want more ideas of places to go.

I can't say that the match was dull (especially since the TV was surrounded by about 30 Chileans and a six-foot long Chilean flag.  One guy had a voice that could only be described as "stentorian.")  The National Stadium was packed, and I'm told that the usual starters played with the exception of Mark Gonzalez (left winger/striker who played for Liverpool a couple of years ago).  But overall, I wasn't terribly impressed with the football.  Ecuador, with the exception of Edison Mendez, struck me as a little thuggy.  They only got three yellow cards, same as Chile, in addition to a straight red (for kicking a Chilean player in the groin).  But they had a huge number of fouls, most from just grabbing people and throwing them down.  Chile is more of a finesse team; they love little back-kicks and usually do them well.  They started strongly and should have scored several times before the break, just lacking the final touch to put it home.  Toward halftime the Chilean defense seemed to run out of gas a bit and the marking was simply sloppy.   In the one minute of stoppage time before the break Ecuador nearly took a lead; Mendez's solo effort going just wide of the net.  Chile finally put together a solid run in the second half with Humberto Suazo's point blank shot (assist to Arturo Vidal).  Chile picked up the intensity a bit and had several more opportunities to score but even after the red card they were unable to get the second goal.  I think they'll need to be a bit more efficient at both ends if they are to progress in South Africa.  But it was a victory, and nothing was at stake.  Sometimes a win is just a win!

It's so much fun to watch football in countries where it is THE sport!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 14, 2009, 09:32:53 PM
Oops--forgot to report that the final was 1-0, although perhaps you all inferred that or saw it elsewhere.

Also, coincidentally, tomorrow I am planning to observe an asteroid with the name "Stentor," but the guy yelling "Vamos Chile!" really did have a very loud voice!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on October 22, 2009, 11:55:20 AM
Below, find the 2 match, (home and away), draw for the European Zone 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™ qualifying play-offs. for 14/18 November starts.

Republic of Ireland vs France
Portugal vs BosniavsHerzegovina
Greece vs Ukraine
Russia vs Slovenia

The top four nations in the draw were seeded according to the latest edition of the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking, published on 16 October. France (ranked number 9), Portugal (10), Russia (12) and Greece (16) were placed in Pot 1 and were drawn with the teams in Pot 2, Ukraine (22), Republic of Ireland (34), Bosnia Herzegovina (42) and Slovenia (49).

There has been some controversy concerning FIFA's last minute seeding and draw for the playoffs, with some thinking that it was done to promote certain teams, (and players), to South Africa. 

The team scoring more goals on aggregate wins the play-off. If the scores are level on aggregate, away goals count double. If the teams are level on away goals, or if both matches end goalless, extra-time of two periods of 15 minutes each will be played at the end of the second match. If the score is level after extra time, penalty kicks will be taken to determine the winner.

The 4 winners go to South Africa, losers are out.

Any comments on the above outcomes??
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: DIIIdad on October 22, 2009, 12:39:36 PM
Interesting.  However, I find it very surprising that France, Portugal and Russia all need playoffs to get into the World Cup. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on October 22, 2009, 08:32:39 PM
DIIIdad.

Yeah, Unfortunately, when you finish second in points during round 1 qualification stage in your group, which France, Russia, Portugal did, you go into a playoff with all the other second place teams, for the final four spots in the South Africa World Cup.

I think some people were surprised these world ranked teams did not win thier groups.  Russia might have had the more difficult job, with Germany in thier group. Ireland with Italy as well.

Portugal beat out by Denmark in Group 1
Russia beat out by Germany in Group 4
France beat out by Serbia in Group 7
Greece by Switzerland
Rep. of Ireland by Italy, ( two draws between the teams with Italy equalizing in Dublin in 89th min two weeks ago)


go to: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/europe/standings/round1.html for full round 1 European grouping results
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 23, 2009, 04:45:00 PM
all you need to know about World Cup passion.......

http://www.comcast.net/sports/writethatdown/2095/honduranradioannouncergoesballisticthankstotheunitedstates/

.....this is classic.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 23, 2009, 05:53:25 PM
Great find, sac!  +k

I barely understood a word, yet understood the whole thing! :D

[And since USA had nothing really to play for against CR, they'd better thank us gringos! ;)]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on November 14, 2009, 09:49:59 PM
Republic of Ireland is defeated by France 1-0 @ Croak Park Dublin. ROI Must score in Paris Wednesday and keep a clean sheet to stay alive.

Other Playoff first round matches:

Portugal 1 Bosnia-Herzegovina 0
Greece 0 Ukraine 0
Russia 2 Slovenia 1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on November 19, 2009, 03:04:05 PM
Republic of Ireland mugged last night in the Stade de France by officials who missed two players offsides and two hand touches by Henry to set up overtime goal by France.

FIFA deciding to seed the top teams and last nights officiating leads me to believe that FIFA is a joke and could give a s..t about fair play and only care about the cash.

Watch the videos of the Thierry Henry handball on the internet to see for yourself.
http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2009/11/18/france-vs-ireland-highlights-goals/

Ireland kicked France's ass for 104 minutes last night and it is heartbreaking to see them denied a chance at the SA World Cup due to this travesty!!!!!!!!!!!!

The BOYS IN GREEN WERE OUTSTANDING LAST NIGHT, and made France look sick    >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on November 20, 2009, 09:37:20 AM
Thanks for the update EC.  That goal was absolutely horrid!  As if I needed a reason to hate the french even more, now I've got one!  I hope the frenchies don't even make it out of the group stages after that BS!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on November 20, 2009, 10:54:23 AM
Thanks Scots,

I just hate the way the smaller countries get the shaft within Europe in FIFA.  All a big money game, get the big countries and players to the WC so sponsors rake in the money.

I was livid with the way the goal was allowed but have calmed down now.  Need video replay like they have for most other sports.  FIFA in the Dark Ages

I have to admit Anelka and LLoris were brilliant for the French after rewatching the game ( I  Pay per Viewed the game from Setanta).  Robbie Keane, Damien Duff, Richard Dunne, Liam Lawrence, John O'Shea in particular and the rest of the team in general, played thier hearts out in this game, and many in tears after the game.

Looks like, after FAI appeal, FIFA has denied any replay, which was unlikely anyway.

The Boys will just need to put this past them and look to European Championships
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 23, 2009, 03:31:17 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/wigan_athletic/8374893.stm

ran across this today........
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on November 24, 2009, 05:20:54 PM
Quote from: sac on November 23, 2009, 03:31:17 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/wigan_athletic/8374893.stm

ran across this today........
.

Sac, 

This must be unpresedented in Premier League!?  Got to hand it to Wigan players if they follow through.

Jermaine Defoe went nuts in that game with a hat trick within 7 minutes
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on December 04, 2009, 10:51:51 AM
Anybody tuning in for the World Cup Draw (http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/index?id=6986) today at noon? 

Hopefully the US gets a favorable draw for a change...  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: DIIIdad on December 04, 2009, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 04, 2009, 10:51:51 AM

Hopefully the US gets a favorable draw for a change...  :-\


I wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 04, 2009, 01:38:42 PM
England
United States
Algeria
Slovenia

England v USA in game 1. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on December 04, 2009, 02:05:00 PM
Not a bad draw for the US.  Can you really name a "group of death"?  I don't see one out there. 

Can't wait for June!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on December 04, 2009, 02:17:00 PM
I still can't believe that draw for the US.  And that draw for England isn't too shabby either...  ;)

As for the dreaded Group of Death, I would have to say that would go to Brazil's group.  Ivory Coast is a quality side and even though Portugal struggled in qualifying, they are still a top flight squad! 

And how lucky can France continue to get???  First, they were lucky over the whole Henry handball incident that helped them even qualify.  Then they get lucky in drawing South Africa's group?  Man do I hate the French!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: DIIIdad on December 04, 2009, 03:45:54 PM
Finally a decent draw for the US.  And I agree that Group G will be the Group of Death.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on December 04, 2009, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 04, 2009, 02:17:00 PM
I still can't believe that draw for the US.  And that draw for England isn't too shabby either...  ;)

As for the dreaded Group of Death, I would have to say that would go to Brazil's group.  Ivory Coast is a quality side and even though Portugal struggled in qualifying, they are still a top flight squad! 

And how lucky can France continue to get???  First, they were lucky over the whole Henry handball incident that helped them even qualify.  Then they get lucky in drawing South Africa's group?  Man do I hate the French!!!

ScotsFan,

Right on!!!!

Sooooo  annoying how the "Cheaters", once again pulled one out of thier you know whats.  I hope Uruguay kicks thier butts!!!

Agree on Group G being Group Of Death:

Group A South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France
Group B Argentina, Nigeria, South Korea, Greece
Group C England, USA, Algeria, Slovenia
Group D Germany, Australia, Serbia, Ghana
Group E Holland, Denmark, Japan, Cameroon
Group F Italy, Paraguay, New Zealand, Slovakia
Group G Brazil, Korea DPR, Ivory Coast, Portugal
Group H Spain, Switzerland, Honduras, Chile
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 24, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
This board has been pretty quiet lately (which to a Liverpool fan is not a bad thing over the past few weeks).  As I'm on sabbatical in York in the land of the EPL, I thought I'd send an update.  Most of action of late is in the FA cup.  Right now we are watching Manchester City play Scunthorpe, a side that's just above relegation level in the Chamionship.  It's 1-0 Man City, but Scunthorpe have had more chances and may well equalize.  Talk is that this may be Robinho's last match at City; last week he was sent in as a substitute in the EPL match with Everton and then subbed out--hard think of bigger insult to a player. 

Yesterday there was a cracker of a match between Tottenham Hotspurs and League One Leeds United (remember when they were EPL contenders?).  Twice Spurs took a lead, and both times Leeds came back to score.  The last goal came on a penalty in the 95th minute earned and taken by Leeds' Jermaine Beckford.  Remember that name--you'll be hearing it again.

Scunthorpe just equalized in about the 30th minute!  1-1.

The City Archives where I'm doing research (I'm actually working, believe it or not!) are only open two days a week and one of them is Saturday, so between that and the cold weather, we haven't yet made it out to see our local side, York City Football Club.  They've won eight in a row and are second in the Blue Square Premier League.  And their striker, Richard Brodie, has scored more goals to date (27) than anyone at any level of football in England.  It will be interesting to go to a match.

Took a break and City scored in the last minute before halftime--rats!  Robinho is looking poor, and the Scunthorpe fans are enjoying giving him the raspberry.  I doubt this one will end 2-1.

That's all for now!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 25, 2010, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 24, 2010, 11:51:24 AM

Yesterday there was a cracker of a match between Tottenham Hotspurs and League One Leeds United (remember when they were EPL contenders?).  Twice Spurs took a lead, and both times Leeds came back to score.  The last goal came on a penalty in the 95th minute earned and taken by Leeds' Jermaine Beckford.  Remember that name--you'll be hearing it again.

Is he the goal scorer in Leed's FA Cup win at Old Trafford a couple of weeks ago?

And it's nice to see Leeds advancing in the FA Cup.  It's hard to believe how far they've fallen.   :-\  Hopefully they can get it done at home over Spurs in the replay!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 25, 2010, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 25, 2010, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 24, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
Jermaine Beckford.  Remember that name--you'll be hearing it again.

Is he the goal scorer in Leed's FA Cup win at Old Trafford a couple of weeks ago?

And it's nice to see Leeds advancing in the FA Cup.  It's hard to believe how far they've fallen.   :-\  Hopefully they can get it done at home over Spurs in the replay!

Yes, he is.  He'd put in a transfer request, but withdrew it today issuing this statement:

"I have decided I want to finish what I have been striving to do for the last two seasons - and that is to help promote Leeds United out of a division to which the club doesn't belong"

Nice to see, and that speaks to your comment about the fall of Leeds.  I like this current side much better than the version of seven or eight years ago.  They've made their mark, no matter what happens against Spurs.

And Scunthorpe (home of Kevin Keegan, by the way) finally fell to City 4-2.  They did themselves proud, though.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 26, 2010, 09:50:00 AM
This is what I love about the FA Cup.  You get results like Leeds making a run or an unknown like Scunthorpe giving the richest football club in the world all they can handle.  I also saw highlights of Fulham's match at  Accrington Stanley.  Their Stadium was so small that shots too far over goal would actually leave the grounds!  :)   And Accrington gave Fulham all they could handle as well before finally succumbing to their Premier League foes.  What an upset that would have been.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2010, 10:16:51 AM
Tonight is the second leg of the Manchester Derby for the Carling Cup.  Last week's, which featured Carlos Tevez on the pitch and the Tevez-Neville fireworks off it, was on the BBC, but this one is on Sky (ie, satellite only).  Officials and police are sounding a bit nervy although SirAlex says there is nothing to fear.  We're trying to decide if we want to go to a pub with Sky (not being supporters of either side).  I imagine we'll stay in and watch highlights later.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 26, 2010, 10:38:49 AM
Arsenal went out on Sunday........which means 3 of the big 4 are out. 

The fifth round draw

Southampton v Portsmouth
Reading v West Bromwich Albion
Fulham v Notts County or Wigan Athletic
Chelsea v Cardiff City
Bolton Wanderers v Tottenham Hotspur or Leeds United
Derby County v Birmingham City
Manchester City v Stoke City
Wolverhampton Wanderers or Crystal Palace v Aston Villa

Speaking of Leeds/ManU  here's the big goal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKZHDrKbm5k&feature=related

and the aftermath, sorry for the language, but they are English.......big moment at 1:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4In0K6i69CU&feature=related
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2010, 02:29:34 PM
Oops...the Manchester derby is tomorrow.  It's EPL tonight--Liverpool goes to Wolverhampton and Fulham go to White Hart Lane for a London derby.  Steven Gerrard is back in the lineup for Liverpool. 

Rio Ferdinand has been charged with violent conduct by the FA for hitting a Hull striker during their match on Sunday.  Did anyone see it?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 26, 2010, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2010, 02:29:34 PM
Rio Ferdinand has been charged with violent conduct by the FA for hitting a Hull striker during their match on Sunday.  Did anyone see it?

Didn't see the incident.  I watch the EPL highlights on Super Sunday Plus on FSC and they made no mention of the incident either.  Apparently, he threw an elbow at a Hull player and was caught after the FA was reviewing video of the match.

Man.  Rio's first game back after missing 3 months with an injury and now he's facing a 3 game ban...  :-\

An article I read stated he would miss matches with Arsenal, Pompey and Villa.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 26, 2010, 04:43:43 PM
Liverpool/Wolves 0-0  another 2 points dropped to a bad team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
Quote from: sac on January 26, 2010, 04:43:43 PM
Liverpool/Wolves 0-0  another 2 points dropped to a bad team.

Yup. And Spurs over Fulham...the gap to fourth place is widening. Things are dire.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 26, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
Quote from: sac on January 26, 2010, 04:43:43 PM
Liverpool/Wolves 0-0  another 2 points dropped to a bad team.

Yup. And Spurs over Fulham...the gap to fourth place is widening. Things are dire.

What's the over/under on how long before Rafa is canned?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2010, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 26, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
What's the over/under on how long before Rafa is canned?

There's been a lot of support for him expressed by the fans and the team.  Tonight we read that HIS agent is dropping hints about him talking with Juventus.  I try not to put much stock in rumors, but I don't like the sound of that--it sounds like a defensive move.  My worry if Rafa goes is that players like Torres, Reina, and Mascherano will go too.

I blame the owners more than anyone; there's not enough money for top flight players because of the debts of Gillett and Hicks.  Some of the last few matches were played without Gerrard, Torres, Reina, and Benayoun...not much left with them out.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 11:58:03 PM
Paraguay's leading scorer Salvador Cabanas (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_on_sp_so_ne/soc_mexico_player_shot) shot in a Mexico City bar.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 27, 2010, 05:45:29 PM
United are through to the finals of the Carling Cup with a 3-1 win over City to take the tie 4-3 on aggregates.  Rooney came through again with a goal in stoppage time to break the aggregate tie!

Villa will be their opponents in the finals at Wembley.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 29, 2010, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 11:58:03 PM
Paraguay's leading scorer Salvador Cabanas (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_on_sp_so_ne/soc_mexico_player_shot) shot in a Mexico City bar.

This poster is reminded of the Colombian soccer player who was shot to death after letting in an own goal in a loss to the US during the 1994 World Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Just Bill on January 29, 2010, 10:11:40 AM
Ghana (beat Nigeria 1-0) and Egypt (beat Algeria 4-0) will meet in the African Cup of Nations final on Sunday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on January 29, 2010, 03:30:08 PM
See below article "What Happened to the Ivory Coast"

http://soccer365.com/african_cup_of_nations/story_25110204118.php
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 03, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
Leeds finally succumbed to Spurs tonight--Jermaine Beckford had a goal, but Jermaine Defoe scored a hat trick for the Premier League side.

My husband and I were given what looks to be a great Christmas present--the Anfield Experience.  We're going on a private tour of Anfield, including a three-course lunch and a talk with a "Liverpool Legend" in the luxury boxes.  Fortunately they have a list of available "Legends" on the website so we can do our homework!  I've actually heard of one or two--Bruce Grobbelar  and John Aldridge.  I'll post a report after we go (early April).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 04, 2010, 12:27:59 AM
Speaking of Liverpool

Kind of an important stretch of Premier League and UEFA games in the next 2 1/2 weeks.

2-6 Everton
2-10  @ Arsenal,
2-18 Uniria Urziceni in UEFA Cup
2-21 @ Man City
2-25 @ Uniria Urziceni

If Rafa is to get canned, poor results in this stretch would certainly do it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 05, 2010, 04:23:20 PM
The other shoe finally dropped on John Terry:
tp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8495604.stm

Rio Ferdinand is the new captain; Steven Gerrard is vice-captain.

Evidently some of the news which is just now coming out here is the most damning against Terry:  he sold on his executive suite at Stamford Bridge for Chelsea matches and at Wembley for England matches (both clearly against FA regulations).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 05, 2010, 04:27:24 PM
Big, big Liverpool Derby tomorrow.  Landon Donovan has done brilliantly for the Toffees to date; as a Reds fan I have to hope that doesn't continue.

Fortunately, the only day this week that the Archives that I need to do my research here are open is Saturday.   Otherwise we'd be pub crawling to see the match live!  In some ways, EPL fans who don't have season tickets are actually better off in the States...here in Britain, if you don't have satellite, you're stuck either in a pub or watching highlights on Match of the Day (a great show, but not like seeing the entire match). 

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 05, 2010, 04:37:24 PM
Maybe you'll stroll into a pub with a 3D broadcast :)  US fans will be able to watch live on ESPN2.  I'm quickly becoming an Everton supporter.  Donovan has been called the best EPL transfer in the Jan. window.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 05, 2010, 05:51:33 PM
Yes, Donovan has done brilliantly.  Moyes is a great manager, too.  I like them as much as a Liverpool supporter can.  A couple of stories...

When I was last in Liverpool, I was trying to find where to get on a bus to John Lennon's and Paul McCartney's boyhood homes with a a gaggle of IWU students behind me.  I was wearing a Liverpool shirt, as we were going on a tour of Anfield later, and when I asked a bus driver he scowled at me until he heard my American accent.  He then smiled, told me where to find the bus, and said "You're wearing the wrong color shirt."  I tried explaining that it didn't seem odd to us to support one Liverpool side when the other wasn't playing.  The words registered; the sentiment didn't.  He was impressed that I remembered Joe Max Moore, who played for the Toffees ten years ago, but that was all.

We have a Scouser friend back in Bloomington, an Everton supporter, who refuses to have red in his house.  When he and his wife first got married, he wouldn't let her put red lights on the Christmas tree.  Supposedly the kids' friends asked if they had become Jewish because the lights were all blue and white!

Sentiments in Liverpool run deep and strong...almost operatic in their intensity.  Should be a good match tomorrow.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 05, 2010, 06:35:47 PM
Great stories Hoosier!  :)  Thanks for sharing!

As having no vested interest in the Liverpool Derby, I'll be rooting for my boys Landon and Timmy over the Reds.  Sorry...  8-)

Also, I'm kind of surprised that Terry let it come to this.  I was kind of expecting him to resign his captaincy instead of forcing Capello's hand and making him sack Terry as England Captain.  Should Terry really be surprised at Capello's decision?  Rio should fill in quite well as the new England captain, however.

You wonder what goes on in these superstars' heads to make them think they will get away with all of these affairs  in this day and age of all this technology?!  I guess John Terry didn't want Tiger Woods to have all the fun...  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 05, 2010, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: Stinger on February 05, 2010, 04:37:24 PM
Maybe you'll stroll into a pub with a 3D broadcast :)  US fans will be able to watch live on ESPN2.  I'm quickly becoming an Everton supporter.  Donovan has been called the best EPL transfer in the Jan. window.



While I'm pulling for Landon and Tim to do well for the blues, outside of ManU, my support has become more towards Villa because of Brown's owner Randy Lerner also being the owner of the Villans.  :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 06, 2010, 03:03:48 AM
Evidently Terry's marital indiscretions, as well as his desire for more money, were pretty openly known in football circles.  And, of course, those off-pitch pastimes are not uncommon.  This one got out of control because of the affair with an England colleague's partner (that colleague being Wayne Bridge). 

Terry just sounds completely out of control to me.  He was never as insulated from the public eye as Woods was and so he was doomed once the press started really looking at him.  The fact that the World Cup is coming up, with lots of hope and expectations from the entire country, didn't help him, either.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 08, 2010, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 06, 2010, 03:03:48 AM
Evidently Terry's marital indiscretions, as well as his desire for more money, were pretty openly known in football circles.  And, of course, those off-pitch pastimes are not uncommon.  This one got out of control because of the affair with an England colleague's partner (that colleague being Wayne Bridge). 

Terry just sounds completely out of control to me.  He was never as insulated from the public eye as Woods was and so he was doomed once the press started really looking at him.  The fact that the World Cup is coming up, with lots of hope and expectations from the entire country, didn't help him, either.

Personally, I was never a big fan of him as England captain.  I mean, as you said, he has spent plenty of time in the tabloids for the wrong reasons.  This was finally the straw that broke the camel's back, IMO...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 08, 2010, 11:00:40 AM
EURO 2012 QUALIFYING GROUPS

Group A Germany, Turkey, Austria, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan

Group B Russia, Slovakia, Republic of Ireland, FYR Macedonia, Armenia, Andorra

Group C Italy, Serbia, Northern Ireland, Slovenia, Estonia, Faroe Islands

Group D France, Romania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Belarus, Albania, Luxembourg

Group E Holland, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Moldova, San Marino

Group F Croatia, Greece, Israel, Latvia, Georgia, Malta

Group G England, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Wales, Montenegro

Group H Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Cyprus, Iceland

Group I Spain, Czech Republic, Scotland, Lithuania, Liechtenstein
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 09, 2010, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 08, 2010, 11:00:40 AM
EURO 2012 QUALIFYING GROUPS

Group A Germany, Turkey, Austria, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan

Group B Russia, Slovakia, Republic of Ireland, FYR Macedonia, Armenia, Andorra

Group C Italy, Serbia, Northern Ireland, Slovenia, Estonia, Faroe Islands

Group D France, Romania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Belarus, Albania, Luxembourg

Group E Holland, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Moldova, San Marino

Group F Croatia, Greece, Israel, Latvia, Georgia, Malta

Group G England, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Wales, Montenegro

Group H Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Cyprus, Iceland

Group I Spain, Czech Republic, Scotland, Lithuania, Liechtenstein


Wonder who'll make a "Turkey '08 like run" this time?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 09, 2010, 10:16:27 AM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 08, 2010, 11:00:40 AM
EURO 2012 QUALIFYING GROUPS

Group A Germany, Turkey, Austria, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan

Group B Russia, Slovakia, Republic of Ireland, FYR Macedonia, Armenia, Andorra

Group C Italy, Serbia, Northern Ireland, Slovenia, Estonia, Faroe Islands

Group D France, Romania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Belarus, Albania, Luxembourg

Group E Holland, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Moldova, San Marino

Group F Croatia, Greece, Israel, Latvia, Georgia, Malta

Group G England, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Wales, Montenegro

Group H Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Cyprus, Iceland

Group I Spain, Czech Republic, Scotland, Lithuania, Liechtenstein


WHAT?!  No France and Ireland in the same qualifying group?  What's up with that???   ;)

Now THAT would have made for some entertaining football!  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 09, 2010, 11:05:42 AM
The Welsh are doing quite a bit of trash talking--saying that "Oh, England won't be bad.  We'd be scared if it were Spain, France, Italy, or Germany."  We'll see.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 09, 2010, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 09, 2010, 10:16:27 AM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 08, 2010, 11:00:40 AM
EURO 2012 QUALIFYING GROUPS

Group A Germany, Turkey, Austria, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan

Group B Russia, Slovakia, Republic of Ireland, FYR Macedonia, Armenia, Andorra

Group C Italy, Serbia, Northern Ireland, Slovenia, Estonia, Faroe Islands

Group D France, Romania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Belarus, Albania, Luxembourg

Group E Holland, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Moldova, San Marino

Group F Croatia, Greece, Israel, Latvia, Georgia, Malta

Group G England, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Wales, Montenegro

Group H Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Cyprus, Iceland

Group I Spain, Czech Republic, Scotland, Lithuania, Liechtenstein


WHAT?!  No France and Ireland in the same qualifying group?  What's up with that???   ;)

Now THAT would have made for some entertaining football!  ;D

SCOT

LOL,

Yeah, would'nt that have been a hoot!  I am sure the Boys in Green would have loved to get them again.  I think otherwise the Trap is happy with this draw.

On another note, what's up with Arsenal, they seem to choke when playing all the top BPL teams these days?  I watched the replay of the Chelsea/Arsenal game on ESPNPL yesterday, the Gunners looked flat!!  Drogba is just sensational!!  I predict Chelsea will pull away and win the trophy easily  8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 09, 2010, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 09, 2010, 12:12:59 PM
On another note, what's up with Arsenal, they seem to choke when playing all the top BPL teams these days?  I watched the replay of the Chelsea/Arsenal game on ESPNPL yesterday, the Gunners looked flat!!  Drogba is just sensational!!  I predict Chelsea will pull away and win the trophy easily  8-)

As Lee Corso would say, "Not so fast my friend."  ;)

ManU is just 2 points adrift of Chelsea at the moment.  Furthermore, ManU is getting as healthy as they have been in a looooong while.  And have you seen the beatdown the Reds have been putting on teams lately?  In their last 4 matches, ManU has outscored their opponents to the tune of 20-2!  :o  I'd say that would qualify as a team being in good form at the moment.   8-)  And lastly, Chelsea still has to make the trek up to Old Trafford late in the season in what could prove to be a crucial match for both squads.

Chelsea has looked like they are up to the task of knocking off the Reds this season, but you can never count out Fergie's boys.  Especially this time of year. 

As for Arsenal.  To say they are fading would be an understatement.  They were within sniffing distance of the top of the tables just 2 weeks ago.  And now, after back to back thumpings at the hands of United and Chelsea, they find themselves 9 points adrift of Chelsea and 7 behind United.  Heck, the Gunners are now closer to dropping out of the top 4 than they are to the top of the table.  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 09, 2010, 03:29:00 PM
Scots,  You may be right!!

In fact my favorite team is Man U, as they have John O'Shea, however, I read on RTE soccer website he is out until March from that injury sustained during the playoff game at Stade de France.  :(

I just think Chelsea is playing with a LOT of confidence these days.

It certainly will be an exciting game when Chelsea goes to Old Trafford!!

Are any of the big BPL games broacast live in this country?? ESPNPL does the replays.  I would love to at least PPV these games  ;D  I guess time difference is the problem.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 09, 2010, 05:27:05 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 09, 2010, 03:29:00 PM
Are any of the big BPL games broacast live in this country?? ESPNPL does the replays.  I would love to at least PPV these games  ;D  I guess time difference is the problem.

ECSU,

ESPN2 usually has a match on Saturday mornings.  Last week was the Merseyside Derby.  They aren't airing any matches this weekend because it is an FA Cup weekend.

Fox Soccer Channel also carries a lot of matches.  Tomorrow at 2:30 the match between ManU and Villa will be on.  FSC also usually airs 2 EPL games on Saturday mornings as well as one on Sunday morning.  FSC will be airing 2 Cup matches on Saturday and one on Sunday although it doesn't list what matches those will be on their website.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 09, 2010, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 09, 2010, 05:27:05 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 09, 2010, 03:29:00 PM
Are any of the big BPL games broacast live in this country?? ESPNPL does the replays.  I would love to at least PPV these games  ;D  I guess time difference is the problem.

ECSU,

ESPN2 usually has a match on Saturday mornings.  Last week was the Merseyside Derby.  They aren't airing any matches this weekend because it is an FA Cup weekend.

Fox Soccer Channel also carries a lot of matches.  Tomorrow at 2:30 the match between ManU and Villa will be on.  FSC also usually airs 2 EPL games on Saturday mornings as well as one on Sunday morning.  FSC will be airing 2 Cup matches on Saturday and one on Sunday although it doesn't list what matches those will be on their website.

Thank You Sir, much!!! appreciated
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2010, 04:23:51 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 09, 2010, 02:29:47 PM
As for Arsenal.  To say they are fading would be an understatement.  They were within sniffing distance of the top of the tables just 2 weeks ago.  And now, after back to back thumpings at the hands of United and Chelsea, they find themselves 9 points adrift of Chelsea and 7 behind United.  Heck, the Gunners are now closer to dropping out of the top 4 than they are to the top of the table.  :-\

This Liverpool fan is hoping that poor form continues tonight for Arsenal, with the Reds finding some form and confidence again. 

And as for live matches, well, we can get a midweek radio broadcast and then a midweek Match of the Day with highlights.  A lot of pubs have Sky Sports (satellite), and there are certainly more Liverpool supporters up here in the north than fans of any of the London sides.  That old North-South divide in England is still real.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 10, 2010, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 09, 2010, 05:29:11 PMThank You Sir, much!!! appreciated
Anything to help out a fellow ManU supporter!  8-)


Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2010, 04:23:51 AM

This Liverpool fan is hoping that poor form continues tonight for Arsenal, with the Reds finding some form and confidence again. 

I figured as much.   :)

Liverpool has been looking pretty good once again.  It's as if Rafa waits until the heat is almost unbearable and then he gets his boys to start playing again.  Rafa also always seems to find a way to win the BIG matches like on Saturday which is why it wouldn't surprise me to see Liverpool continue their run of good form and also to continue Arsenal's run of bad form.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 10, 2010, 05:56:09 PM
Barclays Premier League

10 Feb 2010

Blackburn Rovers 1 - 0 Hull City  -  
16min Myhill og
   

Everton 2 - 1 Chelsea  -  
33min Saha
75min Saha
                     17min Malouda
 
Arsenal 1 - 0 Liverpool  -  
72min Diaby
   
Aston Villa 1 - 1 Manchester United  -  
19min Cuellar
                        23min Collins og
                        29min Nani sent off
 
West Ham United 2 - 0 Birmingham City  -  
45min Diamanti
67min Cole
   
Wolverhampton Wanderers 1 - 0 Tottenham Hotspur  -  
27min Jones
   

AS SOON AS I MENTION CHELSEA RUNNING AWAY WITH BPL TITLE, THEY LOSE AND ARSENAL WINS :-[

ALL WITH 26 GAMES PLAYED
POINTS:

CHELSEA............ 58
MAN U ...............57
ARSENAL............ 52
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 11, 2010, 10:47:49 AM
Too bad ManU couldn't have gotten the 3 points yesterday at Villa Park!  :-\

That Nani Red Card was questionable at best.  I thought he deserved to get booked, but red was the wrong choice IMO.

And even with ManU being down to 10 men, it was really hard to tell the Devils were down a man the way they still controlled the match.  I really feel if they could have stayed at full strength, they would have won that match.

Oh well.  I'll take an away shorthanded draw.  One point is better than no points like Chelsea's match with Everton resulted in.  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 11, 2010, 11:15:31 AM
The Liverpool loss to Arsenal was disappointing and it probably means third place is out of the question.  However, the Reds played well and have nothing to be ashamed of.  Howard Webb's refusal to call the obvious handball on Fabregas in the game's waning moments--he was standing, motionless, in the wall and raised the arm--was infuriating.  Oh well.

Well done to Everton!  Landon Donovan is really playing well for them.  And John Terry?  Well, he needs to get his head in the game.  Twice he jumped way early trying to intercept an incoming pass--I hadn't timing that bad since some the JV games my daughter played in (and no, it wasn't her).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 11, 2010, 02:03:26 PM
Chelsea have announced that defender Ashley Cole will be out of action for approximately three months after fracturing his left ankle in Wednesday's match against Everton.

Ryan Giggs will be out of action for four weeks after fracturing his right arm in Manchester United's game at Aston Villa on Wednesday night.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 11, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 11, 2010, 02:03:26 PM

Ryan Giggs will be out of action for four weeks after fracturing his right arm in Manchester United's game at Aston Villa on Wednesday night.  >:( >:( >:(
Doh!!!  >:(

I should have knocked on wood when I mentioned how healthy United were getting...  :-\

And what makes things worse is that Giggsy has been in great form ALL season.  This is a big loss.  :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 11, 2010, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 11, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 11, 2010, 02:03:26 PM

Ryan Giggs will be out of action for four weeks after fracturing his right arm in Manchester United's game at Aston Villa on Wednesday night.  >:( >:( >:(
Doh!!!  >:(

I should have knocked on wood when I mentioned how healthy United were getting...  :-\

And what makes things worse is that Giggsy has been in great form ALL season.  This is a big loss.  :(

Yeah Scots,

Just goes to show in soccer or any sport, injuries can raise their ugly head at anytime.  What a killer!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 16, 2010, 10:05:14 AM
Big Champions League showdown between ManU and AC Milan at the San Siro is being broadcast on Fox Sports Net today.  Pregame  at 2 pm with the match starting at 2:30 pm.

Busy afternoon of sports as team USA Hockey hits the Ice for the first time in Vancouver to take on the Swiss this afternoon as well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 17, 2010, 11:17:58 AM
From RTE Sports:

A Wayne Rooney brace inspired Manchester United to a crucial Champions League last-16 first leg win at the San Siro.

Milan had earlier taken the lead after three minutes through a deflected Ronaldinho shot before a fluffed Paul Scholes effort on 36 minutes trickled across the line.

However a brace of second-half Rooney headers put United in the driving seat before a Clarence Seedorf backheel in the dying minutes kept the tie alive heading to Old Trafford.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 17, 2010, 12:40:03 PM
Yeah!  ManU put on quite a perfomance yesterday vs. the rossoneri!

Given the fact that the Red Devils had never even scored a goal at the San Siro in four previous matches, that goal from Rhonaldino in the 3rd minute of the game didn't exactly give me too much hope...  :-\

And who would have thought that United's first away goal vs. AC Milan would be a dribbler of a Paul Scholes' whiff that ricochted off his schin and dribbled in just inside the far post.  :P

Rooney's two goals just added to what has been by far his best season as a Red Devil.  You think Wayne misses Ronaldo too much now?

And those goals were set up by a player that seems to be getting better and better and that is Antonio Valencia.  Not to say that Nani hasn't been playing well of late for the reds, but he just didn't have it yesterday.  Some of his crosses were downright awful and Rooney was visibly annoyed by it.  Enter Valencia in the 64th minute and it took all of 2 minutes for him to find Rooney with a perfect cross as he headed home the go ahead goal for United. 

Fletcher's red card was questionable at best and probably contributed to Milan scoring their 2nd goal late keeping their hopes alive as the tie now heads to Old Trafford. 

Yesterday's other result was Lyon surprising Real Madrid 1-0.

Arsenal takes on Porto today and Chelsea gets their round of 16 tie with Inter next Wed.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 18, 2010, 07:36:13 AM
The Porto-Arsenal Champions League match was a wild affair last night.  Arsenal backup keeper Lukasz Fabianski had a horrific night.  First he mishandled a shot for an own goal, but was promptly rescued by Sol Campbell's (!) header off a corner to get back to 1-1.  In the second half, one of the strangest plays I have ever seen ensued.  Campbell, standing less than 10 meters in front of Fabianski with a striker bearing down on him, back-kicked to Fabianski...who PICKED THE BALL UP!  Free kick for Porto, right in front of goal.  Fabianski gave the ball to the ref, who immediately gave it to a Porto player, and Porto immediately shot as Fabianski was walking back toward the goal.  Game over, 2-1 Porto.  To be fair, Campbell's back-kick was ill-advised; there was little time or space for Fabianski to do anything useful with the ball.  Still, kicking it out to the side was an option.

Here's the BBC match report.  There's a separate one of Arsene Wenger criticizing the referee, although everyone else (including referee Graham Poll in his column today in the Daily Mail and Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas) agrees that the ref was correct.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8516193.stm

I was going to say it was like seeing a triple play in baseball--you're not sure what's happening as it unfolds in front of you because it happens so fast.  But I've seen several triple plays, so it's rarer than that.  The Hidden Ball Trick, maybe.  Interesting, anyway.

Liverpool play Romanian side Unirea Urziceni tonight at Anfield in the first round of the Europa League (formerly the UEFA Cup; still the football equivalent of the NIT).  Jamie Carragher is back; Yossi Benayoun trained with the team yesterday but may not play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 18, 2010, 11:38:23 AM
I watched a replay of the Campbell/Fabianski disaster play!! Bizarre ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 18, 2010, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 18, 2010, 11:38:23 AM
I watched a replay of the Campbell/Fabianski disaster play!! Bizarre ???

Just watched the replay as well and you are right.  Bizarre indeed!

Note of interest.  The head official in that match was the very same official from that France/Ireland WCQ and the imfamous Henry hand ball.  This guy must just be a magnet for contraversy.   :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 18, 2010, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 18, 2010, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 18, 2010, 11:38:23 AM
I watched a replay of the Campbell/Fabianski disaster play!! Bizarre ???

Just watched the replay as well and you are right.  Bizarre indeed!

Note of interest.  The head official in that match was the very same official from that France/Ireland WCQ and the imfamous Henry hand ball.  This guy must just be a magnet for contraversy.   :-\

Scot,

I KNOW  :o, I saw him on the replay as well.  I think he was right on this one, but maybe should not have dropped the ball for the free kick so soon.  Fabianski looked like he was out of it !!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 18, 2010, 02:01:34 PM
Everyone on the Arsenal side was out of it!  He was right on this one.  As Fabregas said, they have to stop making "schoolboy errors."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 18, 2010, 05:10:53 PM
Liverpool gutted one out in their Europa League opener with Unirea Urziceni 1-0.  The goal came in the 81st minute on a long pass into the box from Ryan Babel.  It was brought down nicely by Daniel Pacheco and David Ngog put it in the net.

I lost count of the number of Liverpool corners--it was probably close to 15.  Unirea were content to play defensive football until the goal came, evidently hoping just to get out of Anfield with a draw.  They came out a bit after the goal and almost conceded once or twice more.

Not the greatest performance, but a win is a win.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 18, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 18, 2010, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 18, 2010, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 18, 2010, 11:38:23 AM
I watched a replay of the Campbell/Fabianski disaster play!! Bizarre ???

Just watched the replay as well and you are right.  Bizarre indeed!

Note of interest.  The head official in that match was the very same official from that France/Ireland WCQ and the imfamous Henry hand ball.  This guy must just be a magnet for contraversy.   :-\


Scot,

I KNOW  :o, I saw him on the replay as well.  I think he was right on this one, but maybe should not have dropped the ball for the free kick so soon.  Fabianski looked like he was out of it !!!!

I agree that he wasn't in error in what happened.  That was totally on Arsenal for not being ready and a total heads up play by Porto.

I just found it ironic that the official involved in such a bizarre incident was the same official from that WCQ and this was his first high profile match since that France/Ireland match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 20, 2010, 03:53:43 PM
Everton 3 ManU 1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 26, 2010, 11:37:42 AM
US World Cup Kits are released.  I kind of like them.  What do you think? Nod to the 1950 team?

http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/usa-world-cup-2010-home-jersey-leaked-photo/7152 (http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/usa-world-cup-2010-home-jersey-leaked-photo/7152)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 26, 2010, 01:52:53 PM
they look good.....but why didn't they wait and wear them in Brazil?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on February 27, 2010, 10:46:35 AM
Chelsea-2 Manchester City-4!!!!!!!!!

From RTE Sports:

It was perhaps the most predictable part of a truly astonishing afternoon that exploded into life once Frank Lampard had put the hosts in front just before the break.

At about that point, Chelsea's world imploded.

Henrique Hilario gifted City goals either side of the interval, failing to make saves Petr Cech would regard as routine to keep out shots from Carlos Tevez and Craig Bellamy either side of the interval.

Then Juliano Belletti was red carded for a foul on Gareth Barry that allowed Tevez to fire home a third from the spot.

And the drama did not finish there as Michael Ballack was also sent off for two yellow cards before Bellamy added another.

A stoppage time Lampard penalty at least raised a cheer from a team whose lead over Manchester United remains a precarious single point.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 02, 2010, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on February 27, 2010, 10:46:35 AM
Chelsea-2 Manchester City-4!!!!!!!!!

From RTE Sports:

It was perhaps the most predictable part of a truly astonishing afternoon that exploded into life once Frank Lampard had put the hosts in front just before the break.

At about that point, Chelsea's world imploded.

Henrique Hilario gifted City goals either side of the interval, failing to make saves Petr Cech would regard as routine to keep out shots from Carlos Tevez and Craig Bellamy either side of the interval.

Then Juliano Belletti was red carded for a foul on Gareth Barry that allowed Tevez to fire home a third from the spot.

And the drama did not finish there as Michael Ballack was also sent off for two yellow cards before Bellamy added another.

A stoppage time Lampard penalty at least raised a cheer from a team whose lead over Manchester United remains a precarious single point.

Did you happen to see Wayne Bridge snub John Terry on the pre-game handshakes?  It was freaking awesome!  There was speculation that all ManCity players were going to refuse to shake Terry's hand, but Bridge ened up being the only one.  But, that's not to say that Bridge didn't give City plenty of fire to go out and take it to the Blues.  After every City goal, the goal scorer immediately was pointing to Bridge as if to say this one's for you!

I'll be very surprised if Chelsea is able to recover from this enough to hold off hard charging United!   8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 02, 2010, 02:14:50 PM
More worrying for Chelsea than the handshake has been their terrible form.  Hilario is in no way a substitute for Cech, and John Terry has been almost as poor on the pitch as off.  I won't be surprised to see Man U or Arsenal overtake them.

The tabloids seem to have moved on from the Terry-Bridge soap opera to Ashley Cole's marriage breaking up.  His WAG, Cheryl, is something of a star in her own right as a member of Girls Aloud, a pop group.  Standing in line at the supermarket one can read that they're getting back together, they're definitely divorcing, they haven't slept together in over a year, etc.  What is it about left backs these days?

Wayne Rooney has issued a plea to the English fans not to boo Terry at Wembley for the friendly with Egypt tomorrow night.  I'll actually get to see this one as it's on ITV, not on the satellite channel.  We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on March 02, 2010, 02:54:00 PM
Will be listening to Brazil vs Republic of Ireland on RTE Radio 1.  Apparently, FAI and RTE is getting the broadcast in London (Arsenal's Emirates) as reconciliation from FIFA for the "Hand of Thierry"
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 02, 2010, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 02, 2010, 02:14:50 PM
More worrying for Chelsea than the handshake has been their terrible form.  Hilario is in no way a substitute for Cech, and John Terry has been almost as poor on the pitch as off.  I won't be surprised to see Man U or Arsenal overtake them.

Oh, I agree completely.  I think this whole Terry fiasco is just a partial (albeit pretty significant) contributor to the sinking blue ship in west London.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on March 02, 2010, 07:53:14 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on March 02, 2010, 02:54:00 PM
Will be listening to Brazil vs Republic of Ireland on RTE Radio 1.  Apparently, FAI and RTE is getting the broadcast in London (Arsenal's Emirates) as reconciliation from FIFA for the "Hand of Thierry"

Ireland 0- Brazil 2  (both by Robinho)

First half respectable for ROI except for Keith Andrews own goal @ 44 min, although replay showed linesman missed offsides call on Robinho :o ::).  Second half a disaster.  Trapattoni sure missed injured John O'Shea, and Richard Dunne. Might have been 4-0, if Kaka/Grafite, and Alves had converted take aways from St Ledger and McShane

Wigan Athletic youngster James McCarthy got his first international cap, he will be a good one
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on March 04, 2010, 03:41:25 PM
"Such offences are part of football. I went for the ball and got the opponent at the end. I had no evil intent. If the ball is between me and the opponent, you have to go in full. If you do not then the opponent takes you. And if you're scared in a game you get injured yourself." -Nigel De Jong, Holland National Team

Please see my signature for my thoughts......
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 06, 2010, 04:19:14 PM
Most here will probably have more interest in the Man U game today, but what I've been able to see so far are Portsmouth-Birmingham and Tottenham-Fulham in the FA quarterfinals. 

The Pompey-Birmingham match made the best possible argument for video review of goals--after David James made one brilliant save, the ball was clearly, incontrovertably, 100% over the line for a Birmingham goal--and it was disallowed.  It was obvious on the first viewing. And yet, a ruling has been made that video reviews will not be allowed:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8553463.stm
The best that can be said is that the score was 2-0 to Portsmouth--at least Birmingham have no claim to a draw.

The Spurs-Fulham match paired two of the sides that I generally support when my own team (Liverpool, of course) are not playing.  Given the standings right now, I wasn't in favor of anything that would give Spurs a leg up, and so I found myself cheering for Fulham. It was a lively, spirited match, with the bulk of the possession and chances going to Fulham, but it ended in a draw and a rematch.  Bobby Zamora and Damian Duff did well, Peter Crouch stopped whining about a supposed bad tackle for the post-match interview, and they'll all do it again in a week or two.

Meanwhile, those of you who aren't traveling to basketball games probably saw the EPL live.  Here, we watch Match of the Day at 10:30 before basketball from the Central time zone starts at 1:00 a.m.....

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 07, 2010, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 06, 2010, 04:19:14 PM
The Spurs-Fulham match paired two of the sides that I generally support when my own team (Liverpool, of course) are not playing.  Given the standings right now, I wasn't in favor of anything that would give Spurs a leg up, and so I found myself cheering for Fulham.


I started following Fulham more closely when they had 3 Americans on the squad in Dempsey, Bocanegra and McBride.  I still keep a close eye on them even though Dempsey is the lone American left on the squad.

Hoosier, was that match at Craven or White Hart Lane?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 10, 2010, 10:56:29 AM
Finally had a moment to watch the recap of the weekend action in the EPL and in the FA Cup. 

And, things are looking back to normal at the top of the table.  ManU didn't play particularly well and went without Wayne, but they still managed to beat Wolves 1-0 to re-claim their top spot atop the league standings.  Granted, they have a game in hand as Chelsea were busy taking down Stoke on their way to the FA Cup Semis, but it is what it is!  8-)

And I've also got the DVR set up to record the ManU/AC Milan Champs league match. Pregame starts at 2pm on Fox Soccer Channel with the match itself kicking off at 2:20.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 10, 2010, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 07, 2010, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 06, 2010, 04:19:14 PM
The Spurs-Fulham match paired two of the sides that I generally support when my own team (Liverpool, of course) are not playing.  Given the standings right now, I wasn't in favor of anything that would give Spurs a leg up, and so I found myself cheering for Fulham.


I started following Fulham more closely when they had 3 Americans on the squad in Dempsey, Bocanegra and McBride.  I still keep a close eye on them even though Dempsey is the lone American left on the squad.

Hoosier, was that match at Craven or White Hart Lane?

That match was at Craven Cottage the replay will be at Tottenham.

.......shame Chelsea/Aston Villa were drawn in the semi's, that would be a better final.  I suppose Chelsea/Tottenham could be good as well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 10, 2010, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: sac on March 10, 2010, 11:57:15 AM

That match was at Craven Cottage the replay will be at Tottenham.

.......shame Chelsea/Aston Villa were drawn in the semi's, that would be a better final.  I suppose Chelsea/Tottenham could be good as well.

Yeah, I caught that watching Super Sunday Plus on FSC. 

And the Villans are taking down the Blues in the semis!  8-)  I'm also hoping the Cottagers do the same with Spus so it will be a Villa/Fulham final!  ;)  8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 10, 2010, 01:27:15 PM
sac beat me to the Craven Cottage answer.  I agree that Fulham/Villa would be fun to see.

Watching the Man U/AC match live tonight.  Right now the evening news is reporting on Beckham's return to Old Trafford.  Evidently there will be a fair number of green and gold scarves in evidence protesting the Glazers.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on March 10, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
Manchester United 4 - 0 AC Milan  -
13min Rooney
46min Rooney
59min Park
87min Fletcher


From RTE Sports:

There was no fairytale Old Trafford return for David Beckham as Wayne Rooney led a Manchester United cruise into the Champions League quarter-finals.

Rooney scored a goal in each half to take his tally for the season to 30 and snuff out any chance AC Milan had of crowning Beckham's appearance against his former club in glory.

Instead, the joy was all the hosts' as Park Ji-Sung ran on to Paul Scholes' pass to widen the gap before Darren Fletcher headed a fourth near the end.

Pray that Wayne stays healthy from now on as he is on a wicked tear. 


   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 11, 2010, 12:02:25 AM
The news of the night though was Lyon knocking out Real Madrid.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 11, 2010, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: sac on March 11, 2010, 12:02:25 AM
The news of the night though was Lyon knocking out Real Madrid.

That is excellent news indeed!!!   ;D

All that money spent by Real and they fall in the round of 16 in the Champs League?  Niiiiice!   :D

BTW, I wonder what was going through the minds of the Glazers as they watched the protests start to unfold in the 2nd half at Old Trafford yesterday?  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 15, 2010, 10:08:39 AM
Wayne Rooney continues his assault of Christiano Ronaldo's EPL record for goals scored in a season as he added 2 more to his total vs. Fulham over the weekend taking him to 32 in all competitions.  He now only needs 10 (off the top of my head) to equal Ronaldo's mark.

And BTW, ManU is still at the top of the table!   8-)

Also, Landon Donovan's time with Everton came to an end over the weekend as well as his loan expired.  From all reports I've heard, Donovan has been getting nothing but glowing reviews for his time with the Toffeys.  Landon's stint with Everton seems to be, by far, his best run of form while playing overseas which included him being named Everton's player of the month in January!  Well done Landon!

Also of note from a MNT perspective, Clint Dempsey was back in the lineup for the Cottagers over the weekend at Old Trafford and he had a couple of nice strikes from distance.  From the highlights I saw of the match, he looked pretty good and comment was made that he should have no problem getting back into form by the World Cup!  That is good news for the Americans!  :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 15, 2010, 10:46:23 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 15, 2010, 10:08:39 AM

Also, Landon Donovan's time with Everton came to an end over the weekend as well as his loan expired.  From all reports I've heard, Donovan has been getting nothing but glowing reviews for his time with the Toffeys.  Landon's stint with Everton seems to be, by far, his best run of form while playing overseas which included him being named Everton's player of the month in January!  Well done Landon!

Also of note from a MNT perspective, Clint Dempsey was back in the lineup for the Cottagers over the weekend at Old Trafford and he had a couple of nice strikes from distance.  From the highlights I saw of the match, he looked pretty good and comment was made that he should have no problem getting back into form by the World Cup!  That is good news for the Americans!  :)

Donovan scored his first Everton goal in his last game with them, and a pretty one it was, too.  You're right; he's been getting high praise from everyone over here.  That's very good news about Dempsey, especially with Davies still questionable at best.

Looks as though David Beckham is definitely out of the World Cup, and maybe finished, as he seems to have a ruptured Achilles tendon.  Those take a long time to heal. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 15, 2010, 12:06:29 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 15, 2010, 10:46:23 AM
Looks as though David Beckham is definitely out of the World Cup, and maybe finished, as he seems to have a ruptured Achilles tendon.  Those take a long time to heal. 

Yeah.  I heard that too.  What were his chances of making England's squad before the injury?  I thought he was questionable at best to make the squad before this injury.  Now, there's no doubt about it I guess.  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 15, 2010, 10:28:15 PM
I've been terrible about remembering when the EPL games have been on ESPN........was able to catch most of Liverpool/Porstmouth today, at least the exciting parts.

Portsmouth were horrible, Liverpool weren't bad, in fact good at times.  The atmosphere at Anfield was also terrible.

Liverpool will be lucky if Gerrard isn't suspended for the Sunday match with ManU, without Gerrard I doubt Liverpool has much of a shot.  Who knows what he thinking.

Torres was nearly brilliant all game long.


Didn't see much from Liverpool to make me think they can make the top 4.......unless they get to play Portsmouth every game from here out.  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 16, 2010, 06:25:00 AM
Just now got to see the goals from the Liverpool game.  Torres was brilliant; he set up the Babel goal as well as scoring two of his own.  Gerrard was directly involved in a couple of the goals, too, even if he didn't score.  The goal conceded toward the end looked to be due to horrible defense, which has been the Achilles heel all year.  Injuries haven't helped--it's been a different lineup almost every match.

I haven't seen the Gerrard incident.  I know that the frustration level is rising amongst the players--Torres has publicly called on the club to bring in more top players with noises about moving on if that doesn't happen.  That sort of thing doesn't usually sit well with me, but I can understand his frustration.  I think he--and Gerrard, and Reina, and Mascherano--have been quiet longer than most would have been.  And of course the lack of money, thanks to the wretched owners and their debts, is responsible.

None of that excuses violence on the pitch, if that's what happened, of course.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on March 16, 2010, 08:59:46 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 15, 2010, 12:06:29 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 15, 2010, 10:46:23 AM
Looks as though David Beckham is definitely out of the World Cup, and maybe finished, as he seems to have a ruptured Achilles tendon.  Those take a long time to heal. 

Yeah.  I heard that too.  What were his chances of making England's squad before the injury?  I thought he was questionable at best to make the squad before this injury.  Now, there's no doubt about it I guess.  :-\

Beckham was a lock for the England team.  You have to feel for him. Like his celebrity or not, the guy worked his arse off to make the WC a reality.  Perhaps he pushed just a little too hard and his body gave.  Too bad.

As for LD, all you have to do is look at his Facebook fan page and read the posts from Everton supporters.  They really embraced him, and it's obvious they would've loved him to stay. It will be a shame if the MLS players strike, as LD could've spent a couple more weeks playing in the EPL.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 16, 2010, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 16, 2010, 06:25:00 AM
Just now got to see the goals from the Liverpool game.  Torres was brilliant; he set up the Babel goal as well as scoring two of his own.  Gerrard was directly involved in a couple of the goals, too, even if he didn't score.  The goal conceded toward the end looked to be due to horrible defense, which has been the Achilles heel all year.  Injuries haven't helped--it's been a different lineup almost every match.

I haven't seen the Gerrard incident.  I know that the frustration level is rising amongst the players--Torres has publicly called on the club to bring in more top players with noises about moving on if that doesn't happen.  That sort of thing doesn't usually sit well with me, but I can understand his frustration.  I think he--and Gerrard, and Reina, and Mascherano--have been quiet longer than most would have been.  And of course the lack of money, thanks to the wretched owners and their debts, is responsible.

None of that excuses violence on the pitch, if that's what happened, of course.

Gerrard looked like he threw a forearm/elbow at the back of the neck of a Portsmouth player on a break.........pretty silly since it was 4-0 at the time and about the 80th minute.   The official was behind the play and couldn't really see it and the side referee's  provided no help.

That same P'smouth  player had bear hugged/tackled Gerrard to the ground in the first half.  But it was no reason to try and get back at someone.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 18, 2010, 11:42:28 AM
Fantastic quotes like this one are why the English media cannot be ignored.

"Messi was like a clockwork mouse darting between the legs of narcoleptic cats"
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 18, 2010, 04:56:12 PM
Incredibly Fulham beat Juventus 4-1 today to advance to the quarterfinals of the Euro League on 5-4 aggregate. :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 18, 2010, 05:58:55 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2010, 04:56:12 PM
Incredibly Fulham beat Juventus 4-1 today to advance to the quarterfinals of the Euro League on 5-4 aggregate. :o
And Liverpool just beat Lille 3-0 to go through 3-1 with 2 goals from Torres and 1 (pen) from Gerrard.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 25, 2010, 10:45:05 PM
This isn't quite the right forum, but this board has more attention than all other soccer boards combined.

The USA U17 women's team outscored opponents 38-0 in CONCACEF play - and didn't even make the finals!  After a scoreless semi, Canada beat them in PKs.

THAT is tough luck! :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on April 01, 2010, 04:22:00 PM
From  RTE Sports:

Rooney out 2-4 weeks???!!!!!

Manchester United have confirmed Wayne Rooney suffered only 'minor' ankle ligament damage in the Champions League defeat to Bayern Munich on Tuesday night.

Rooney had a scan yesterday afternoon, immediately after returning to England.

There is no break, which means Rooney's presence at this summer's World Cup should not be threatened.

Confirmation of ligament damage does however indicate the United striker will be out of action for an extended period, starting with Saturday's Premier League clash with Chelsea, although the Old Trafford outfit have not said how long Rooney is expected to take to recover.

'We are pleased to report that Wayne has not suffered a fracture,' a United spokesperson told the club's official website.

'The scan revealed only minor ligament damage.'

Alex Ferguson will presumably offer a more extensive medical bulletin tomorrow ahead of the Chelsea encounter, although a recovery period of between two and four weeks has been mooted.

If the former proves correct, Rooney could be back in action for the Champions League semi-final, providing United overhaul Bayern's first-leg advantage.

A four-week spell on the sidelines would have him back in action in time to face Sunderland on 1 May.

Either way, Rooney will definitely miss Saturday's game, a match which will shape United's Premier League season.

The 24-year-old will have told Fabio Capello the news when the Italian rang for an update, although that is the least of Ferguson's worries.

With his 34-goal forward sidelined, he must navigate a path through the next few games to ensure United are still contending for honours when Rooney does return.

Coincidentally, Chelsea's Ricardo Carvalho will miss this weekend's Old Trafford encounter after also suffering ankle ligament damage in the recent win at Portsmouth.

The most obvious solution for Ferguson will be to place his trust in Dimitar Berbatov, given Michael Owen and Danny Welbeck are already out for the season.

Ryan Giggs has played up front before, whilst Nani, Antonio Valencia and Park Ji-sung can all provide attacking support, with Berbatov expected to be the lone front-man against both Chelsea and Bayern.

'We showed this season we play as a team,' Nemanja Vidic said. 'It is not just about one man.

'Definitely Wayne Rooney has had a great season. He is unbelievable, one of the best in the world.

'But sometimes big players are missing and others need to be ready.'

Bought from Tottenham in 2008, Berbatov has struggled to win over his critics, largely due to his relaxed style of play.

Yet United do have a pretty good record when Berbatov has started games for them and the Bulgarian produced the kind of gritty performance Rooney has perfected in that lone striking role at Wolves and Bolton recently.

'Dimitar had a great game against Bolton on Saturday. He is a great footballer,' said Vidic.

'He scored twice himself and can set up goals for other players as well. We have a good squad. We just need to believe in ourselves and believe in each other.'


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on April 01, 2010, 04:26:58 PM
ARSENAL'S FABREGAS OUT FOR REST OF SEASON!!!!!!

BROKEN FIBULA DURING CHAMPIONS LEAGUE VS BARCELONA.  GALLAS ALSO OUT FOR SEASON :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 02, 2010, 03:34:07 PM
ESPN or ESPN2, 7:30 am Saturday.........Manchester United v Chelsea
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 06, 2010, 08:07:51 PM
Messi 4 Arsenal 1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 07, 2010, 05:07:02 PM
Red Devils crash out hard. They were up 4-2 on aggregate at 41 minutes.

Messi is unbelievable. Can't wait for El Clasico this weekend.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 07, 2010, 05:24:52 PM
It was a wonder strike from Arjen Robben that brought the score to 3-2 for the night and tied the aggregate score at 4-4.  Bayern then went through on away goals. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 07, 2010, 06:20:22 PM
I'm just back from a short trip to Liverpool (still living in York, England until June).  My stepdaughter gave us a Christmas gift of a day-long visit to Anfield.  Here's a quick report:

We arrived at 9:30 for coffee and cookies.  We had the opportunity to take a quiz about the history of the club (We didn't bother as we only knew the answer to about three questions:  1)  In what year was Liverpool Football Club founded?  (1892); 2)  Who scored goals in the Champions League Final in Istanbul in 2005?  (Gerrard, Smicer, and Alonso); and 3)  Who was in goal for the FA Cup Final in 2006 (Reina).  Everyone else at our table seemed to do much better but the winner came from another table--he got a bottle of LFC wine.

We were then divided into two groups; one group went on a tour of the grounds first while we went first to the club museum and, of course, the shop.  Everyone had a chance to have a professional photo taken with the five European championship cups or to take their own with a replica of one.  I'd visited before, but I always see something new.  This time I noticed a little display about Albert Stubbins.  Who is he, you ask?  Well, he was a striker for Liverpool from 1946-53, scoring 83 goals in 178 appearances.  But he first came to my attention while looking at a list of people on the cover of the Sgt. Pepper album.  Seems that John Lennon insisted on including Stubbins--the only footballer on that cover.  He's identified on this blog page (dedicated to Fernando Torres, and in Spanish):

Albert Stubbins (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/barcelonareds/sgt_peppers-petit.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.thekidtorres.com/2009/12/albert-stubbins-el-autentico-5-beatle.html&h=520&w=520&sz=464&tbnid=H_f9yWRC1PdTiM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAlbert%2BStubbins&usg=__-u1thOnzDq11QrxXJFI1lCzABuk=&ei=lfm8S8TSHZj60wT-6OWmDA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image&ved=0CBcQ9QEwBQ%5Bu)

After spending too much money in the shop (two T-shirts each, a key ring, and a replacement winter scarf), we went for our tour.  We began in the press room, which has a kitchenette in the back.  It was originally Bill Shankley's "boot room", where the coaches would go to have a cup of tea and strategize at halftime.  Eventually it was decided that a press room was a necessity, so it's now fitted out with cameras and monitors, but the teakettle is still there!  A few of our group were chosen for a brief interview which was to be shown on LFC TV last night.  One guy said he hoped his boss wasn't watching because he was supposed to be sick!

We visited the home dressing room first.  This is very small and spartan--only enough room for the players to sit, basically.  There's a drinks cooler and that's it.  It does have air conditioning and is soundproofed; the visitors' dressing room is neither of those.  That was the choice of Bill Shankly, who wanted to give the Reds every possible edge.  The famous "This is Anfield" sign is part of that too.  Both dressing rooms open onto the narrow corridor that leads under that sign and onto the field--must be a really tense place to be before a match.

We then went into the main stand and sat in the Directors' Box at midfield.  The TV cameras are right above this, so the view is much like what's seen on televised matches.  I'm always amazed at how close together the two managers and reserve seats are--it's a wonder there aren't more altercations than there are!  The tour ended with stories about the good old days in the Kop, when they used to get 28,000 people onto the terraces at one end of the stadium!  With the requirement of one fan = one seat, the Kop now seats 12,000.  It's planned that the Kop in the replacement for Anfield will seat 18,000.

Lunch, which we'd pre-ordered in the morning, was served in Executive boxes.  For somewhere between 50 and 60 K pounds per year (the pound is worth about $1.60 right now), you can sit in a glassed in box and be served food (which costs extra).  You can turn up the volume from outside, or you can turn around and watch the game on TV, or you can watch soaps.  It was kind of interesting to see what they're like, but we couldn't imagine actually spending money for it.  We heard that they are mostly investments; ours, we heard, is owned by a dentist and used by prospective clients.  Guess I went into the wrong line of work!  Lunch was very good and we were shown highlight films that we'd never seen before.  We were also offered LFC wine (who knew?) at 18.95 a bottle and I found myself thinking dark thoughts about parasitic owners trying to milk us dry.  Since we were the only Yanks in the room, I said nothing. :)

People had the opportunity to have pictures taken with two "Liverpool Legends."  In our case they were David Fairclough ("supersub" striker with 153 appearances from 1974-1983; 34 goals), and Tommy Smith (defender with 638 appearances from 1962-1978; 48 goals).  Probably the best part of the day was the question-and-answer with them.  They freely admitted that the game has changed almost beyond recognition since they started.  Someone asked if there were too many foreign players now, and the quick answer was "yes."  But this was qualified: no one denies that people want to see good footballers.  Since it was a Liverpool crowd, the names were Liverpool ones.  Everyone agrees that Torres and Reina, for example, are terrific talents and everyone is happy to have them.  The concern, though, is that English players who might be as good as some of the others, are not being developed and encouraged from within.  Certainly the Legends were not spouting any party line; they were free to speak their minds.

All in all, it was a very good day, but I left concerned about the state LFC is in.  The present owners borrowed money to buy the club and now are so busy servicing their debt that there is no money left over to buy players.  (Other EPL sides have worse debt, but somehow have managed to field more uniformly strong sides).  The current players have been loyal, but there are limits to everyone's patience.  LFC will be back; I just hope the rise begins soon while there is still talent within the current roster.

We are planning to go back for the Liverpool-West Ham match on April 19. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 12, 2010, 10:37:55 AM
Well, I can't believe how badly things have turned for ManU over the span of 2 weeks or so.  First they give up a late goal at Bayern Munich ruining what would have been a great away draw result in the Champs league.  Then, they go down to defeat at home to rival Chelsea giving the Blues a crucial 3 points late in the race for the EPL Title.  And if things weren't already bad, the Red Devils blow a 3-0 advantage over Bayern Munich in their home leg of their tie and get knocked out of the Champs league after allowing 2 unanswered goals by the German squad?!  Now, things have gone from bad to worse as ManU couldn't crack the score sheet over the weekend at Blackburn dropping a precious 2 points and now trail the Blues by a point in the standings with Chelsea having a game in hand. 

This is looking like Chelsea's year unfortunately...  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 12, 2010, 12:10:31 PM
Did anyone watch the Pompey-Spurs FA cup semi yesterday?  Great win for Pompey--now there is talk they will be allowed to apply late to play in UEFA next season (they couldn't apply before because of being in administration, apparently). 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 13, 2010, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on April 12, 2010, 12:10:31 PM
Did anyone watch the Pompey-Spurs FA cup semi yesterday?  Great win for Pompey--now there is talk they will be allowed to apply late to play in UEFA next season (they couldn't apply before because of being in administration, apparently). 

Didn't watch the match but saw the highlights.  What a great win for Pompey and their fans!  This is truly why the FA Cup is so freaking great!  The finals pit EPL giant and first place Chelsea against last place and soon to be relegated Pompey!  No question of who I'm rooting for in the finals!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 13, 2010, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 13, 2010, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on April 12, 2010, 12:10:31 PM
Did anyone watch the Pompey-Spurs FA cup semi yesterday?  Great win for Pompey--now there is talk they will be allowed to apply late to play in UEFA next season (they couldn't apply before because of being in administration, apparently). 

Didn't watch the match but saw the highlights.  What a great win for Pompey and their fans!  This is truly why the FA Cup is so freaking great!  The finals pit EPL giant and first place Chelsea against last place and soon to be relegated Pompey!  No question of who I'm rooting for in the finals!

You and everyone who doesn't live in SW London, I think! 

The pitch at Wembley is an absolute disgrace--the commentators here said that someone from Chelsea had said "Welcome to Dancing on Ice" to Harry Redknapp.  It will evidently be relaid (for the umpteenth time) before the final.  If England are serious about hosting the World Cup in 2018 (and every supermarket has a stand and billboard asking us to "Support the Bid"), they need to get this sorted.

Apparently good news for Liverpool--the Daily News reported a couple of hours ago that the Spanish specialist whom Fernando Torres was sent to see says he should be okay after a "few days" rest.  He might be all right for the West Ham match on the 19th--which I am going to see!--and he should definitely be back for the Europa League visit to Atletico Madrid, his old side.  Whether we'll see him in action against the Hammers probably depends on how City and Spurs do in the EPL; if there's a chance that Liverpool are still in the hunt for fourth he might be on.  Sad that so much is resting on the shoulders of one striker, but that's the state of things right now.  Financially it looks at though Gillette and Hicks are finally out.  That has to be good news.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 14, 2010, 06:11:42 AM
Our tickets for the Liverpool v. West Ham match at Anfield on Monday night just arrived!  They are on the long side facing the TV cameras, just toward midfield from the penalty line away from the Kop, and in the SECOND ROW!!  I am totally psyched! :)

I'll be cheering for Arsenal and (gulp) Man U this weekend...go, big teams!  No ulterior motives, of course (except that the opponents are Spurs and Man City).  ;)  I know fourth place is a long shot but...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on April 14, 2010, 08:42:46 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on April 13, 2010, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 13, 2010, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on April 12, 2010, 12:10:31 PM
Did anyone watch the Pompey-Spurs FA cup semi yesterday?  Great win for Pompey--now there is talk they will be allowed to apply late to play in UEFA next season (they couldn't apply before because of being in administration, apparently). 

Didn't watch the match but saw the highlights.  What a great win for Pompey and their fans!  This is truly why the FA Cup is so freaking great!  The finals pit EPL giant and first place Chelsea against last place and soon to be relegated Pompey!  No question of who I'm rooting for in the finals!
It will evidently be relaid (for the umpteenth time) before the final.  If England are serious about hosting the World Cup in 2018 (and every supermarket has a stand and billboard asking us to "Support the Bid"), they need to get this sorted.


Wembley hosts the 2011 Champions League final as well, no?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 15, 2010, 11:10:23 AM
This is one of the best goals you'll ever see...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BIhkIyZtCo

especially given the game and the players debut.  Pretty incredible.  Tottenham won over Arsenal 2-1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 15, 2010, 12:06:02 PM
WOW!

I loved the commentary at the end of that clip! 

"I don't care if he plays another 20 years.  He'll never score a goal as good as this in his life.."

Arguably the goal of the year in the EPL?  And quite possibly the best goal for a debut player ever?  That was a thing of beauty!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 18, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
Well, as soon as I was ready to write off ManU for dead, they have been given new life!

Paul Scholes scored on a late header in stoppage time as the Red Devils won the Manchester Derby with City 1-0 at City!  Combine that with Spurs' win in their London Derby with Chelsea at Whiteheart Lane and the Blues lead atop the standings is again down to 1 point!

Looking ahead, ManU hosts Spurs who are red hot having beaten both Arsenal and Chelsea last week!  Chelsea hosts Stoke at the Bridge.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on April 18, 2010, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: sac on April 15, 2010, 11:10:23 AM
This is one of the best goals you'll ever see...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BIhkIyZtCo

especially given the game and the players debut.  Pretty incredible.  Tottenham won over Arsenal 2-1

+k for that one sac.  UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 19, 2010, 04:50:19 AM
Match Report:  York City 1 Grays Athletic 1 (Blue Square Premier League, Saturday 17 April)

We went out to see the Minstermen at their last home match on Saturday.  It was a beautiful spring day, and the pitch at Bootham Crescent (formerly the Kit Kat Crescent, but Nestle pulled the sponsorship.  Few were sorry) looked much better than Wembley's.  YC were fourth in the league; the first team is promoted automatically, while there is a playoff amongst the next four:  2 against 5 and 3 against 4.  Games are at the homes of 2 and 3, so York wanted to move up.  York have the player with the highest number of goals (33) in all English football, Richard Brodie (unless someone has passed him up in the last week or so).  They'd won about four in a row and scored 3 or 4 goals each game, so we were hoping for some excitement.  Grays are at the bottom of the League, in financial difficulties (sound familiar?), and were long since relegated.  They had 4 wins all season.  The attendance was about 2500, with 138 away supporters.  The Crescent has seating along the longsides, with terraces on the ends.  The York terrace has a hardcore group of about 30 fans who wave banners and sing, but it's very pale stuff.

The match started slowly, with both teams having opportunities, but York began to dominate play.  At about the 25 minute mark Brodie was left alone, onside, heading toward goal, and the keeper came out and obviously brought him down.  Penalty, red card, no complaint.  And...the reserve keeper blocked Brodie's PK, which came right at him with nothing on it.  The half ended scoreless. 

Second half, York came out like a house afire against Grays' 10 men.  It only took a few minutes for the goal to come--Brodie, off a rebound shot, from the right side into the far left corner of the goal.  Very pretty, and much harder than the PK he missed. 

And then...York went to sleep.  They went into keep-away mode for the rest of the half, and with the last 10 minutes Grays started to push a bit harder.  In the three minutes of stoppage time (after Brodie and a couple of other good players had gone off), Grays scored on some sloppy defending, and that was that.  It was similar to what we've all seen at too many schoolboy (and girl) games.

Now York is in 5th, rather than challenging for 3rd.  Interesting to watch, as someone with no vested interest.  I'd be gutted if I were a die-hard York supporter.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on April 19, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
The 10'52" highlight video of the Inter vs Juventus match on above You tube site is exciting, mainly due to play by play guy!!!!

He goes nuts on 2 Inter goals and misses  " Mama mia" ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 20, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
Match Report:  Liverpool 3 - West Ham 0 at Anfield 19 April

If anyone watched this match (it was live on ESPN) and wondered about the empty seats at Anfield, no worries--many fans simply could not get there due to volcano-related travel problems.  Our hotel alone had 70 empty rooms due to a Norwegian tour group's not arriving. 

We were fortunate to get seats in the second row on the side facing the TV cameras, just to the midfield side of the penalty circle to the left as you see it on TV.  Great seats!  It's fun to watch pros up close, after seeing high school, college, and, last weekend, lower level sides play.  Not every ball is perfectly played, some kicks go astray and mistime jumps--and that's for the side that's winning.

Everyone was nervous about the absence of Fernando Torres, but I think the media have seriously overestimated any animosity or doubts Liverpool supporters are supposed to have concerning his decision to have surgery now.  I detected no such negativity last night.  More, people were nervous, given the 'Pool's difficulty in scoring without him lately.  Another 0-0 draw would have quenched any slight remaining hopes of Champions League play next season.

Anfield is on a hill (it's walking distance to Goodison Park), and a couple of miles from the City Centre.  We took the city bus service up early, arriving around 5:30.  The place was already jumping with lots of street vendors of all sorts of merchandise, food, programs and anti-programs.  The official store was jammed and of course we didn't escape without a few purchases.  The turnstiles were opened at 6:30 and we confirmed that the "row 2" on our tickets did indeed mean second row!  We had a good talk with the steward, Bob, who would be in front of us throughout the match.  He introduced us to the people next to use who were from Australia and New Zealand.

The match started slowly, but Liverpool soon began dominating possession and had several good chances.  David Ngog started up front in place of Torres and he's a lively player; not as strong, but very quick and perceptive.  The West Ham defense was poor all game; they hacked and fouled rather than making clean tackles.  One of these on 19 minutes led to a Steven Gerrard free kick right in front of us which Yossi Benayoun deftly chested into the goal.  He'd been booed whenever he touched the ball by the West Ham supporters, but he didn't celebrate much at all after the goal.  Benayoun set up the second goal with a nice pass to Maxi Rodriguez; Maxi then sent in a nice cross to David Ngog which was deftly sent into the goal. 

The night was clear and it got very cold when people dispersed at halftime.  We were happy to huddle back together for the second half.  One of the most interesting things to watch was the way the defense--primarily the goalkeeper, Pepe Reina, and the centre-backs (primarily Jamie Carragher)--were constantly talking to each other and then to the other players, moving people around.  Jamie's a big guy, but he has a high-pitched speaking voice, and when he's barking orders it almost sounds like a kid on a playground. 

The last goal was a bit fortuitous; it happened in front of the Kop end so we didn't get a good view.  Kyrgiatos, Liverpool's Greek centre-back, hit the right post.  The ball came out and bounced off the ankle of Robert Green (West Ham and current England keeper) and into the net.  Kyrgiatos had missed a good chance in the first half and to be fair, there wasn't a lot Green could do about that one.

I need to mention the "rogue bus."  There are two routes, run by two different companies, which serve Anfield, the #26/27 and the #17.  After the match we queued up and before long a 27 showed up.  No problem, people filed on and we got about halfway up the queue.  One more, we thought, or at max two, and we'll be back to the hotel.  Then a #17 arrived and we were left about three people from the front of the queue.  Then we waited, and waited, and it got colder and colder, and the street vendors all packed up and went home.  Suddenly an ancient-looking double-decker bus pulled up with "2A" on it--there is no route 2A.  The driver opened up and yelled "Liverpool Train Station!   City Centre!  No passes, two pounds each!"  Well, we thought, there's a whole lot of us here--he can't drive us all out and rob us.  So we paid up and got on to the most decrepit, rickety bus I have ever seen.  It smelled of mildew, the windows were held on with duct tape, and the upholstery was coming apart.  I'd been thinking of "Magical Mystery Tour", but this bus was older than that Beatles album--the Beatles probably rode this as teenagers!  We did arrive at the City Centre, and I imagine that guy made about 150 pounds per run.  Enterprising if not legal.

All in all, it was one of the easier games of the year for Liverpool.  They are still alive--barely--in the race for fourth.  Spurs' recent run of success over Chelsea and Arsenal have put them in the driver's seat; if they beat Man U on Saturday I'll say "well done" to them.  I think Liverpool do have a decent shot at fifth (they were down in seventh before this win) if they can keep up with their travel schedule.  They left Liverpool this morning on a train to London, where they boarded the Eurostar to Paris.  They're staying there tonight and tomorrow will get to Bordeaux by train or coach, from where they can fly to Madrid.  Fulham chose to drove to Hamburg but that's a much shorter trip. 

Us, Bob the Steward, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, the Irish couple we talked to in the bus queue--Liverpool supporters really are a worldwide bunch.  I've enjoyed baseball games at Crosley Field in Cincinnati (that takes me back a while!), Fenway Park, and Yankee Stadium and basketball at any number of places including the old Boston Garden, but nothing is better than a trip to Anfield.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 23, 2010, 07:32:04 PM
Another beauty.....for its oddity

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/sow_experts/post/The-two-man-bicycle-kick?urn=sow,236168


and an odd celebration

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/sow_experts/post/Footballer-celebrates-revenge-goal-with-pantomim?urn=sow,235818
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 23, 2010, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: sac on April 23, 2010, 07:32:04 PM

and an odd celebration

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/sow_experts/post/Footballer-celebrates-revenge-goal-with-pantomim?urn=sow,235818


I think Ocho Cinco would be jealous of that choreographed celebration...  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on April 24, 2010, 10:32:07 AM
Quote from: sac on April 23, 2010, 07:32:04 PM
Another beauty.....for its oddity

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/sow_experts/post/The-two-man-bicycle-kick?urn=sow,236168


and an odd celebration

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/sow_experts/post/Footballer-celebrates-revenge-goal-with-pantomim?urn=sow,235818


Sac,

Amazing the way you find these videos ;D ;D ;D!!!  This thread is more entertaining because of them, keep them coming +k
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 25, 2010, 12:04:53 AM
Nani had a nice little chip one Saturday morning vs Tottenham, +k to anyone who can find it.

The EPL became very interesting in the last 10 days.  Dare I say ManU fans will be big Liverpool fans next weekend?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on April 25, 2010, 09:01:32 AM
Quote from: sac on April 25, 2010, 12:04:53 AM
Nani had a nice little chip one Saturday morning vs Tottenham, +k to anyone who can find it.

The EPL became very interesting in the last 10 days.  Dare I say ManU fans will be big Liverpool fans next weekend?

What a beauty by Nani!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy5OcI_wVW4
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 25, 2010, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: sac on April 25, 2010, 12:04:53 AM
The EPL became very interesting in the last 10 days.  Dare I say ManU fans will be big Liverpool fans next weekend?

Kind of like Hoosier talking about being a supporter for ManU yesterday vs. Spurs?   ;)   ;D

ManU is going to have to finish off their push for a 4th consecutive EPL Title without Wayne Rooney.  He is doubtful to play in ManU's final 2 fixtures of the season although Sir Alex reamains hopeful that ManU's medical staff can have Wayne ready for both matches and at the very least their season finale vs. Stoke.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 25, 2010, 09:48:41 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 25, 2010, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: sac on April 25, 2010, 12:04:53 AM
The EPL became very interesting in the last 10 days.  Dare I say ManU fans will be big Liverpool fans next weekend?

Kind of like Hoosier talking about being a supporter for ManU yesterday vs. Spurs?   ;)   ;D

ManU is going to have to finish off their push for a 4th consecutive EPL Title without Wayne Rooney.  He is doubtful to play in ManU's final 2 fixtures of the season although Sir Alex reamains hopeful that ManU's medical staff can have Wayne ready for both matches and at the very least their season finale vs. Stoke.

There is talk amongst some LFC diehards about whether it would be better to field a weak side against Chelsea.  Personally, I find that really offensive (and I dislike Chelsea more than Man U), but there are some who think that way.  I don't think Benitez is one of them, though.

Bad day for Man City keeper Shea Given yesterday--a horrific shoulder dislocation that takes him out for the rest of the season.  It was one of those that I couldn't watch more than once.  Joe Hart is the backup City keeper but he's on loan to Birmingham for the season; the second backup is injured, so the third backup, one Gunnar Nielsen, came in.  He's the backup keeper for the Faroe Islands national team.  Interesting dilemma for Mancini...maybe he has more pressing things to think about than landing Fernando Torres :'(.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 25, 2010, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: ECSUalum on April 25, 2010, 09:01:32 AM
Quote from: sac on April 25, 2010, 12:04:53 AM
Nani had a nice little chip one Saturday morning vs Tottenham, +k to anyone who can find it.

The EPL became very interesting in the last 10 days.  Dare I say ManU fans will be big Liverpool fans next weekend?

What a beauty by Nani!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy5OcI_wVW4

+k anyway but that was from last year
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 26, 2010, 11:15:20 AM

Manchester City has asked, and is probably going to get, permission to sign an emergency goal keeper until the end of the season due to Shay Given's injury.  Talk about mis-management--they spent millions, loaned out a perfectly good keeper (Joe Hart, who should be in the England squad over Robert Green), and now they need special permission to get a keeper. 

So, Liverpool's got Fernando Torres, David Ngog, and now Dirk Kuyt injured.  Can we get permission to hire an emergency striker? 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8644269.stm

The rich keep getting richer.  Infuriating!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 26, 2010, 11:06:26 PM
Good to see Newcastle bounce right back into the EPL, but leave the creamscicle shirts in the Championship.  West Brom comes right back up as well.

Burnley, Portsmouth go down........Hull isn't officially down but they can only tie and their  goal differential is -21 or something.  They are down.  No final day drama at the bottom this year.

PS Altidore got tossed in Hull's weekend game which means he'll be suspended the remainder of the year.  Good for the USA, he'll be rested and presumebly healthy.

Also, Friedel was outstanding this weekend.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 24, 2010, 06:29:24 PM
Blackpool won promotion through the playoff.  I believe Blackpool are now one of the smallest clubs to ever make it to the EPL, not sure on that though.


Its like winning the lottery for the whole town apparently.


Bolton, Blackburn, ManU, ManCity, Liverpool, Everton, Stoke, Blackpool.......all within relatively short distances of each other.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 25, 2010, 02:02:25 PM
With the US opening camp over the weekend and their first WC tune-up tonight vs the Czech Republic, anyone up for some WC discussion?

Bradley is also set to announce his 23 man roster trimmed down from the 30 invites to camp tomorrow.  Part of me is hoping that Edson Buddle does enough to make the 23 man roster.  He has been in great form for the Galaxy this season teaming up with Landon.  I think Bradley would be foolish not to try and recreate that partnership on the MNT.

Looking at the squad as a whole, I think the US is going to be ok in the midfield and depending on the fitness of Gooch, they should be ok in the back as well and also in goal.  The questions arise up front with the loss of Davies.  There is really no one available to match Davies speed and his ability to stretch opposing defenses.

All in all, with the favorable draw by the US, if they have another collapse like they did in '06 in Germany, could this be Bradley's farewell?  I think the US HAS to get out of the group stages or Bradley is done.  Just my opinion of course...  8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 01, 2010, 12:05:16 PM
The final list of 23 is out for England:
http://www.givemefootball.com/internationals/england-coach-makes-his-toughest-decisions-yet

Most notable person staying at home:  Theo Walcott.
Most deserving of staying at home (from what I saw in the Mexico friendly):  Leighton Baines.
Question on most people's minds:  Can Lampard and Gerrard play together effectively?  (I think so, and I think Capello can help them).

Who else has conflicts of interest in teams to support?  I have four, and they're localized into two groups:  England and the US, and then Spain and Chile.  Not that my support is likely to make any difference in either case! :D  I think they all have a chance at making it out of the group stages, though, so I'm off the hook for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 02, 2010, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 01, 2010, 12:05:16 PM
Who else has conflicts of interest in teams to support?  I have four, and they're localized into two groups:  England and the US, and then Spain and Chile.  Not that my support is likely to make any difference in either case! :D  I think they all have a chance at making it out of the group stages, though, so I'm off the hook for a couple of weeks.

My conflict of interest is also with the US and England.  Even though they are both in the same group, I really like the chances of both of them making it out of the group stages.  I am pulling for the US to win in their opener with England though.  I think England has a better chance of overcoming an opening loss to the US than vice/versa.  A draw wouldn't be all too bad either.

How about teams you absolutely can't stand?  Italy and France are tops of the list for me in that category!  Brazil is a close 3rd.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 02, 2010, 01:42:06 PM
June 12th can't get here soon enough.   The US team concerns me, yet I think they are mature enough to do what it takes to get through to the second round.  The US should be able to take care of Algeria and Slovenia.   I'll also be pulling for Spain.  I'd love to see them win after their dominating performance on Euro '08.

My most hated team is Italy hands down. WC2006 cemented that into place. Their tactics are downright bush league. 

Speaking of the Azzuri, how about Rossi staying home? I was a bit surprised on that one. I wonder if he regrets his decision just a wee bit.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 02, 2010, 03:00:25 PM
Italy and Portugal are my most despised teams, Italy for their dirtiness and diving; Portugal primarily for diving.  The 2006 Portugal-Holland game was the worst football match I have ever seen--something like 16 yellows and 4 reds and that wasn't the half of it.

Last night the BBC had a two-hour special of the most shocking moments in World Cup history.  I thought I couldn't sit for two hours, but I was absolutely mesmerized.  It went by before I realized it.  Most of them I'd heard of, and I'd experienced a surprising number--England's problems with penalty kicks, of course; Christiano Ronaldo's wink in 2006; the Hand of God; Beckham's red card against Argentina.  And number one I remember all too well--the Zidane headbutt.  To this day I can't fathom what happened to cause him to lose it like that.  DaMarcus Beasley featured in one of the oddest and, well, most stupid--he was about to go in as a sub and got a call of nature, so he tried to, um, relieve himself while kneeling along the touchline thinking he wasn't being seen.  Needless to say, about forty television cameras from all continents caught him in the act and it's now immortalized as an Official Shocking Moment. 

Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey have a great following here in the UK.  They are the US players who are feared here (of course, they're the ones who are best known).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 02, 2010, 06:02:55 PM
Well, Gillette, Hicks, and company seem to have sacked Rafa Benitez.  I'd like to believe it's not true, but it's now on the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8719210.stm

How much sense does it make, when money is short, to pay £16 million in severance pay to a manager who seems bound for Inter Milan--the European Champions?  He's good enough for Inter but not good enough for Liverpool?  And they waited until the outspoken players--Reina, Carragher, Torres, and Gerrard--were all off at the World Cup. 

This seems an obvious ploy to get rid of a manager who made waves.   Bad times at Anfield Road, and getting worse fast. ??? :(

I'm gutted.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 02, 2010, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 02, 2010, 06:02:55 PM
Well, Gillette, Hicks, and company seem to have sacked Rafa Benitez.  I'd like to believe it's not true, but it's now on the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8719210.stm

How much sense does it make, when money is short, to pay £16 million in severance pay to a manager who seems bound for Inter Milan--the European Champions?  He's good enough for Inter but not good enough for Liverpool?  And they waited until the outspoken players--Reina, Carragher, Torres, and Gerrard--were all off at the World Cup. 

This seems an obvious ploy to get rid of a manager who made waves.   Bad times at Anfield Road, and getting worse fast. ??? :(

I'm gutted.



You're going so Brit on us, we won't understand a word you say by the time you return to the colonies! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 03, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Seems Benitez probably wasn't going to get the funds to improve the club this summer.   Maybe he saw the writing on the wall, 'mutual consent' they are saying this morning.  As a passive fan I just hope they can keep Gerrard and Torres.

Liverpool need a sugardaddy to compete with the big boys now......as crazy and absurd as that sounds. 

Martin O'Neil is the highest profile name mentioned so far, he's done well at Villa.


Would Liverpool try and poach David Moyes?..........perish the thought. :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 03, 2010, 04:27:50 PM
An excellent ESPN OTL about the life of Joe Gaetjens, who scored the winner in the US victory over England in 1950.  Worth the 10 minute view. http://tinyurl.com/25eb68a (http://tinyurl.com/25eb68a)

Maybe Jozy will find a little Haitian karma from Gaetjens to put one in against England.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 03, 2010, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 02, 2010, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 02, 2010, 06:02:55 PM
Well, Gillette, Hicks, and company seem to have sacked Rafa Benitez.  I'd like to believe it's not true, but it's now on the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8719210.stm

How much sense does it make, when money is short, to pay £16 million in severance pay to a manager who seems bound for Inter Milan--the European Champions?  He's good enough for Inter but not good enough for Liverpool?  And they waited until the outspoken players--Reina, Carragher, Torres, and Gerrard--were all off at the World Cup. 

This seems an obvious ploy to get rid of a manager who made waves.   Bad times at Anfield Road, and getting worse fast. ??? :(

I'm gutted.



You're going so Brit on us, we won't understand a word you say by the time you return to the colonies! ;D

Oi, mate!  I weren't half gobsmacked by the news last night, and I weren't at all chuffed that them Yanks sent our Rafa to the knackerman! 

Translation available upon request.  ;D

It appears that they offered him £3 million to go quietly.  I don't know what's on the horizon.  Frankly, I don't know why anyone of comparable stature would want the job right now.  Some have talked about Hughes or Hiddink, but I think they're dreaming.  Moyes is a great manager, but I think that would be a non-starter for a number of reasons (color them red and blue).  People seem divided over what this will mean for keeping Torres and Gerrard, above all.  Mascherano might have been gone anyway.  I'm of the opinion that they might all decide it's going to take too long to get sorted and go elsewhere, which is why I am unhappy.  This was a horrible year, but there has been steady progress under Benitez every other year. 

The problem is Gillette and Hicks, who have dumped debt from their other "investment" sports franchises onto Liverpool's back.  Now they say they want to sell, their price is vastly overinflated, and Rafa takes the fall.

The most insightful observer of Liverpool I've found is Paul Tomkins.  He writes occasional pieces for the Liverpool FC site and has his own website, tomkinstimes.com.  Be warned, though, it's not non-partisan! :D

Thanks for letting me vent!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 04, 2010, 10:08:02 AM
I assume that everyone has heard that Altidore has a mild ankle sprain?  Looks like he should be ready for South Africa, but probably not for the friendly against Australia.  BBC News has just reported that Rio Ferdinand has gone to hospital with a knee injury.

Here's a free article from the Tomkins site I mentioned before.  Alan Hansen was a legendary center (I didn't type "centre, Mr. Ypsi!) back for Liverpool in the glory years of the 80s and is an ever-present commentator.  At the beginning of this season he picked Liverpool to WIN the EPL.  Now he says that Benitez is leaving the club weaker than he found it.  Go figure....

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/06/please-mr-hansen-check-your-facts/

Finally, a little levity from the Onion.  Haven't we all felt like this?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-soccer-fan-becoming-insufferable,17553/
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 04, 2010, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 04, 2010, 10:08:02 AM
I assume that everyone has heard that Altidore has a mild ankle sprain?  Looks like he should be ready for South Africa, but probably not for the friendly against Australia.  BBC News has just reported that Rio Ferdinand has gone to hospital with a knee injury.

I'm glad the severity of Jozy's sprain isn't too serious.  I think not having him for their final tune-up vs. the Aussies won't be such a bad thing.  It'll give Bradley one last look at what Buddle and Gomez can bring to the table and also give Findley another look up front as well. 

And Rio Ferdinand was injured???  Hearing news of another Ferdinand injury is beginning to be like hearing news of grass being green...  ::) 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 04, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Confirmed Ferdinand out.........also Droghba is out with a broken arm.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 05, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: sac on June 04, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Confirmed Ferdinand out.........also Droghba is out with a broken arm.



So much for the Ivory Coast as Cup contenders...

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 05, 2010, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 05, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: sac on June 04, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Confirmed Ferdinand out.........also Droghba is out with a broken arm.



So much for the Ivory Coast as Cup contenders...



Now they say Droghba could still play, but I find that doubtful since he had surgery just today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 06, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: sac on June 05, 2010, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 05, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: sac on June 04, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Confirmed Ferdinand out.........also Droghba is out with a broken arm.

So much for the Ivory Coast as Cup contenders...

Now they say Droghba could still play, but I find that doubtful since he had surgery just today.

Probably correct, but unless you are the keeper, who needs an arm?! ;D

I do feel bad for Drogba and the Ivory Coast.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 06, 2010, 05:57:30 AM
Today's crop of injuries includes John Obi Mikel (Nigeria), Michael Essien (Ghana), and Arjen Robben (Holland).  Will there be anyone left in a week?

http://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCATRE6542UW20100605
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 07, 2010, 04:40:29 PM
Woody Harrelson scores the winning PK in a charity game..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdkyk8-Jm4&feature=player_embedded

not exactly a thunderbolt
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 07, 2010, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: sac on June 07, 2010, 04:40:29 PM
Woody Harrelson scores the winning PK in a charity game..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdkyk8-Jm4&feature=player_embedded

not exactly a thunderbolt

Hey, what do you expect from a guy who took up the game at the age of 40?

We saw the game, which was actually a lot of fun.  England had Sheringham and Shearer, while the Rest of the World had Zidane, Larssen, and Giggs.  A celebrity boxer actually scored during open play.  The stars were the celebrity keepers, Patrick Kielty and Jamie Theakston, who did very well indeed in the second half.  The real players didn't take part in the shootout, and the keepers were better than the shooters.  Gordon Ramsay, the foul-mouthed chef, is actually a decent defender, as is Mike Myers. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on June 07, 2010, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 06, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: sac on June 05, 2010, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 05, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: sac on June 04, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Confirmed Ferdinand out.........also Droghba is out with a broken arm.

So much for the Ivory Coast as Cup contenders...

Now they say Droghba could still play, but I find that doubtful since he had surgery just today.

Probably correct, but unless you are the keeper, who needs an arm?! ;D

I do feel bad for Drogba and the Ivory Coast.

The reports today are Drogba has rejoined the team in Switzerland and will travel to South Africa with the team.  Drogba can be replaced on the roster up until next Monday. My guess is if they have any hope Drogba could play even the third group game that he stays on the roster.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 08, 2010, 04:45:11 PM
Inter Milan confirm Rafa Benitez will be their new manager:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8724605.stm

Good news for Rafa, and good news for Inter. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 08, 2010, 04:51:32 PM
Nani is out for Portugal
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 09, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 06, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: sac on June 05, 2010, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 05, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: sac on June 04, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Confirmed Ferdinand out.........also Droghba is out with a broken arm.

So much for the Ivory Coast as Cup contenders...

Now they say Droghba could still play, but I find that doubtful since he had surgery just today.

Probably correct, but unless you are the keeper, who needs an arm?! ;D

I do feel bad for Drogba and the Ivory Coast.

Thierry Henry ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 09, 2010, 12:57:58 PM
Onyewu and  Altidore can reportedly go 90 vs England.   This is good news.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 10, 2010, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: ECSUalum on June 09, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 06, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: sac on June 05, 2010, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 05, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: sac on June 04, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Confirmed Ferdinand out.........also Droghba is out with a broken arm.

So much for the Ivory Coast as Cup contenders...

Now they say Droghba could still play, but I find that doubtful since he had surgery just today.

Probably correct, but unless you are the keeper, who needs an arm?! ;D

I do feel bad for Drogba and the Ivory Coast.

Thierry Henry ;D

Speaking of arms coming into play..........ESPN Classic aired Maradona's "Hand of God" game last night from 1986 (England/Argentina).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 10, 2010, 09:00:21 PM
Yeah, and tonight, on ESPN's SA World Cup Preview broadcast, they showed DM's and compatriot Lionel Messi's, (Barcelona), "hand of god" goals as well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2010, 05:46:24 PM
Anyone particularly surprised by either draw today?

I'm mildly surprised, but only mildly.  No home team has ever lost an opening game, so Mexico achieving only a tie can't be TOO disappointing.  I'm highly unimpressed with France this year, but thought they could probably still handle Uruguay.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 11, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
I was more impressed with South Africa than I expected to be.  Their goal was a beauty; it was only a momentary defensive lapse that let Mexico score. 

After seeing Forlan destroy both Liverpool and Fulham in the Europa League and knowing that he's not even the leading goalscorer for Uruguay, I picked them to go through that group along with France.  France was definitely underwhelming.

Looking on the bright side, maybe France-Uruguay will turn out to be the least interesting goal of the tournament, and it's already over!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2010, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 11, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
I was more impressed with South Africa than I expected to be.  Their goal was a beauty; it was only a momentary defensive lapse that let Mexico score.  

After seeing Forlan destroy both Liverpool and Fulham in the Europa League and knowing that he's not even the leading goalscorer for Uruguay, I picked them to go through that group along with France.  France was definitely underwhelming.

Looking on the bright side, maybe France-Uruguay will turn out to be the least interesting goal game of the tournament, and it's already over!

Fixed it for you.

Since there were no goals, I knew what you meant, and am just being a smart-ass. :D

Power to the retired - us old farts can be smart-asses too! ;D

What's your take on USA/England?

I'm torn between a 1-1 draw and a 2-1 USA win.  Despite the predictions, I just can't see a win for England.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2010, 03:06:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2010, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 11, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
I was more impressed with South Africa than I expected to be.  Their goal was a beauty; it was only a momentary defensive lapse that let Mexico score.  

After seeing Forlan destroy both Liverpool and Fulham in the Europa League and knowing that he's not even the leading goalscorer for Uruguay, I picked them to go through that group along with France.  France was definitely underwhelming.

Looking on the bright side, maybe France-Uruguay will turn out to be the least interesting goal game of the tournament, and it's already over!

Fixed it for you.

Since there were no goals, I knew what you meant, and am just being a smart-ass. :D

Power to the retired - us old farts can be smart-asses too! ;D

What's your take on USA/England?

I'm torn between a 1-1 draw and a 2-1 USA win.  Despite the predictions, I just can't see a win for England.
England scores in the 5th minute!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2010, 03:13:41 PM
I saw the shot by Dempsey at the 40th minute and thought that that shot won't fool any goalie.

It was right at him.  Wow!  Green just muffed it.

1-1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2010, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2010, 03:13:41 PM
I saw the shot by Dempsey at the 40th minute and thought that that shot won't fool any goalie.

It was right at him.  Wow!  Green just muffed it.

1-1

I think the forecasts I saw were right - our #3 keeper is better than England's #1!  (Of course, if that stop was indicative, Ypsi Hi's keeper is better than England's #1! ;D)

1-1 at the half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2010, 04:30:44 PM
1-1 Final England / USA
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
Ralph, that'll teach you not to mock my predictions too early! ;D

I said I was undecided between 1-1 and 2-1 USA, and were it not for Green's fluke stop on Altidore, it would've been 2-1.  (Granted, if not for Green's fluke error on Dempsey, it would've been 0-1. ;))
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 12, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2010, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 11, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
I was more impressed with South Africa than I expected to be.  Their goal was a beauty; it was only a momentary defensive lapse that let Mexico score.  

After seeing Forlan destroy both Liverpool and Fulham in the Europa League and knowing that he's not even the leading goalscorer for Uruguay, I picked them to go through that group along with France.  France was definitely underwhelming.

Looking on the bright side, maybe France-Uruguay will turn out to be the least interesting goal game of the tournament, and it's already over!

Fixed it for you.

Since there were no goals, I knew what you meant, and am just being a smart-ass. :D

Power to the retired - us old farts can be smart-asses too! ;D

What's your take on USA/England?

I'm torn between a 1-1 draw and a 2-1 USA win.  Despite the predictions, I just can't see a win for England.

Thanks for the fix!  Since my husband retired 9 years ago, I'm well aware of how smart-assed retirees can be! ;)

As I mentioned before, I had serious conflicts about this match.  I had a feeling it would be 2-1, but I wasn't sure which way it would go, and it could have gone to either side.  On the coverage here, Kevin Keegan predicted England 4-1 before the match!  We knew that wouldn't be right, although the Gerrard goal in the fourth minute had us wondering. 

I thought that, in general, both sides played well enough.  The big question here has been whether Lampard and Gerrard could ever play well together, and it seems that Capello has helped the two of them sort that out.

I've had questions about Robert Green all along.  His judgment is suspect; always has been.  Tonight it wasn't so much a question of judgment as of mental focus--when Dempsey took that shot I thought, "well, that's optimistic" and then watched in horror as it seemed to unroll in slow motion.  He didn't play it like a shortstop, keeping it in front of him so he could knock it down and smother it.  He just seemed to become aware of it too late.  Too bad because the stop he made on Altidore was fantastic--much more difficult.

One of my Liverpool friends just pointed out that LFC had more representation on the pitch in the second half than any other EPL side.  Just sayin'...:)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2010, 10:29:21 PM
I thought I had already posted this, but apparently not. :P

English keeper Green's two 'flukes' seem to have canceled each other out yielding a well-deserved draw.  He inexplicably let in Dempsey's goal (most HS keepers would have stopped it), yet somehow avoided Altidore's goal (he got just enough of it to send it to the post - even then, it bounced back across the goal, so even a quarter-inch less 'oomph' and it would have bounced in).  Such flukes tend to balance out in the long run, but fairly rarely in the same game.

I'm surprised (and disappointed) at the lack of chatter on this board.  Hey, guys (and gals), it only happens once every four years (and, so far, USA vs. England in the WC only every 60 years! ;)).  While England has dominated in the 'friendlies', USA is now 1-0-1 when it counts! ;D

HT, has any English paper headlined their story: "England loses, 1-1"? :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 13, 2010, 06:02:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2010, 10:29:21 PM
I thought I had already posted this, but apparently not. :P

English keeper Green's two 'flukes' seem to have canceled each other out yielding a well-deserved draw.  He inexplicably let in Dempsey's goal (most HS keepers would have stopped it), yet somehow avoided Altidore's goal (he got just enough of it to send it to the post - even then, it bounced back across the goal, so even a quarter-inch less 'oomph' and it would have bounced in).  Such flukes tend to balance out in the long run, but fairly rarely in the same game.

I'm surprised (and disappointed) at the lack of chatter on this board.  Hey, guys (and gals), it only happens once every four years (and, so far, USA vs. England in the WC only every 60 years! ;)).  While England has dominated in the 'friendlies', USA is now 1-0-1 when it counts! ;D

HT, has any English paper headlined their story: "England loses, 1-1"? :D

Not quite, Ypsi--that would be giving too much credit to the US.  It's more about Capello's bad decisions (he's walked on water up until now, pretty much, although there have been murmurings about the goalkeepers and the advancing age of the central defenders).  What he's getting stick for now is:  1)  the keeper, of course; 2)  starting James Milner, who had been ill and couldn't stop Landon Donovan any way except fouling him before being subbed for in the 30th minute; and 3) ...I forget...too much Heskey?  Rooney too sedate?  Crouch on too late? take your pick.  I actually thought Heskey played well, given that he's a striker who doesn't score much; he set up the England goal.

I absolutely love it here in the UK, but I have to say one thing about the press coverage:  it is every bit as nationalistic as in the US.  We also follow Formula One racing, and the Brits are very proud of their history in both racing and football.  The favoritism and playing up the "home" team at the expense of others gets pretty tiring after a while.

Agree about the Green save, on second viewing.  It was very good for him, but it was a bit lucky, too.  I think Joe Hart is definitely the best, potentially, of the England keepers.  Have we talked here about American goalkeepers?  Did I just post about this?  I've scrolled back and don't see it, so I'll say it again:  my theory is that the US produces, proportionally, a lot of good keepers because basketball and its attendant skills--ball handling, jumping, agility in a fairly confined space--are so much more popular here.  Plus, all three American keepers (Hahnemann and Guzman as well as Howard) play in the EPL, so this current crop is more familiar with the opposition they faced last night. 

Now both will try to beat up on Algeria and Slovenia for goals in order to avoid facing Germany in the next round.  I get home on Tuesday, just in time for the first matches in the other group I care about, H, which has both Spain and Chile.  A friend in Chile IM'd me on Facebook within minutes of the end of last night's game to talk about the England keeper's mistake--this truly is the WORLD Cup.  That part is very cool, and I'm glad the US is starting to have some success.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2010, 09:27:30 AM
I like to remind US basketball fans that Hakeem Olajuwon's first athletic event in the US was as the Goalkeeper for the Lagos Nigeria side in the 1980 Dallas Cup.

His post play as a basketball player showed ball handling skills of a goalkeeper as he would "distribute" the ball.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 13, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 12, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2010, 06:41:44 PM

I'm torn between a 1-1 draw and a 2-1 USA win.  Despite the predictions, I just can't see a win for England.

As I mentioned before, I had serious conflicts about this match.  I had a feeling it would be 2-1, but I wasn't sure which way it would go, and it could have gone to either side.  On the coverage here, Kevin Keegan predicted England 4-1 before the match!  We knew that wouldn't be right, although the Gerrard goal in the fourth minute had us wondering. 

I thought that, in general, both sides played well enough.  The big question here has been whether Lampard and Gerrard could ever play well together, and it seems that Capello has helped the two of them sort that out.


I really didn't know what to expect in yesterday's match.  I was hoping for a draw but given the deficiencies of both squads in their back 4, I kind of felt that England would better expoit our back 4 because of their superiority up front.  Steve McManaman predicted a 3-1 win for the English and I felt that was a very realistic possiblity and especially after the Gerrard goal in the first 5 minutes.

Thankfully the US had Tim Howard on their side and Green was playing for the Three Lions.   :P 

And after that first England goal, the US seemed to settle down and not allow themselves to get rattled and gutted out the 1-1 draw!

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2010, 10:29:21 PM
HT, has any English paper headlined their story: "England loses, 1-1"? :D

I did see a headline in one of the New York tabloids that said, "US Wins 1-1!"  I also saw one of the English Tabloids with the headline, "Hand of Plodd!"   ;D

All in all, I think both teams will be satisfied with a point.  It's amazing though how happy we are with the result and how disappointed England are. 

HT,  do you think Capello sticks with Green to try and restore and maintain his confidence or does he completely shatter the kid's confidence by going with a different keeper in England's next match?  It is kind of nice to know that, at least the US is head and shoulders better at one position than England that is arguably the most important position on the pitch and that is goalkeeper!  I think there is no question that all 3 of our keepers are better than anything England has to offer.

Lastly, too bad that Slovenia v. Algeria match couldn't have ended in a scoreless draw.  Algeria had to go and ruin it by allowing Slovenia to score late on.   :-\  I will say, I was not overly impressed by either Algeria or Slovenia and if the US and England don't both come away with max points in their next 2 matches and advance out of this group, it will be a HUGE disappointment!  Can't wait for Friday!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
Germany's Oezil's yellow card for the fake trip came from the Mexican referee.

(I think that I will leave it at that.  He is certainly an experienced referee to be doing the middle at the World Cup.   ;)  )
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 13, 2010, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 13, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 12, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2010, 06:41:44 PM

I'm torn between a 1-1 draw and a 2-1 USA win.  Despite the predictions, I just can't see a win for England.

As I mentioned before, I had serious conflicts about this match.  I had a feeling it would be 2-1, but I wasn't sure which way it would go, and it could have gone to either side.  On the coverage here, Kevin Keegan predicted England 4-1 before the match!  We knew that wouldn't be right, although the Gerrard goal in the fourth minute had us wondering. 

I thought that, in general, both sides played well enough.  The big question here has been whether Lampard and Gerrard could ever play well together, and it seems that Capello has helped the two of them sort that out.


I really didn't know what to expect in yesterday's match.  I was hoping for a draw but given the deficiencies of both squads in their back 4, I kind of felt that England would better expoit our back 4 because of their superiority up front.  Steve McManaman predicted a 3-1 win for the English and I felt that was a very realistic possiblity and especially after the Gerrard goal in the first 5 minutes.

Thankfully the US had Tim Howard on their side and Green was playing for the Three Lions.   :P 

And after that first England goal, the US seemed to settle down and not allow themselves to get rattled and gutted out the 1-1 draw!

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 12, 2010, 10:29:21 PM
HT, has any English paper headlined their story: "England loses, 1-1"? :D

I did see a headline in one of the New York tabloids that said, "US Wins 1-1!"  I also saw one of the English Tabloids with the headline, "Hand of Plodd!"   ;D

All in all, I think both teams will be satisfied with a point.  It's amazing though how happy we are with the result and how disappointed England are. 

HT,  do you think Capello sticks with Green to try and restore and maintain his confidence or does he completely shatter the kid's confidence by going with a different keeper in England's next match?  It is kind of nice to know that, at least the US is head and shoulders better at one position than England that is arguably the most important position on the pitch and that is goalkeeper!  I think there is no question that all 3 of our keepers are better than anything England has to offer.

Lastly, too bad that Slovenia v. Algeria match couldn't have ended in a scoreless draw.  Algeria had to go and ruin it by allowing Slovenia to score late on.   :-\  I will say, I was not overly impressed by either Algeria or Slovenia and if the US and England don't both come away with max points in their next 2 matches and advance out of this group, it will be a HUGE disappointment!  Can't wait for Friday!

I like those headlines, Scots!  The paper I read here had "Green Fingers" for a headline. 

I honestly don't know what Capello will do.  Some very knowledgeable people like Alan Shearer seem to think that he will go with David James if James is healthy.  It seems to me that Capello is very attached to his way of doing things (or stubborn), and so he might not make the change. 

Here's a column from the Daily Mail written by Piers Morgan, who drives a lot of people crazy.  I do like the brief item about Michael Ballack telling Lampard and Gerrard to check their egos.  He should talk!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1286109/Piers-Morgan-Blame-Englands-Robert-Green-want-Capello-needs-raise-game-too.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: OxyBob on June 14, 2010, 06:37:31 PM
The Onion weighs in on soccer:

http://www.theonion.com/video/soccer-officially-announces-it-is-gay,17603

OxyBob
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2010, 07:25:32 PM
Italy benefits from a keeper lapse not quite 'up' to Green's standard, but close.  Their only goal occurred when Paraguay's keeper went out to punch away a corner kick, and missed the ball by several feet!  The Italian the ball came to (don't recall who) then tapped in the easiest goal he'll ever get in a WC.

I really thought Paraguay looked like the stronger side for most of the game (with both teams obviously having great trouble with the wet conditions).  Italy put on tremendous offensive pressure the last 5-8 minutes (while Paraguay looked perfectly happy to gain a tie), but the Azzuri looked pretty so-so overall.  Because of their group, I suspect both teams will go through, but doubt they will go any further.

Ya s'pose Berlusconi's tabloids will headline the Italian equivalent of "Italy loses, 1-1"?! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2010, 08:37:47 PM
A curious factoid I hadn't noticed, but just ran across:

After 11 games, a single goal guarantees at least a point!  Not a single team has scored, but lost. :o  (More ammunition for the soccer-haters.  Memo to OxyBob and the Onion: your story cannot possibly be true.  All homophobes know that gays score CONSTANTLY! :D)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 14, 2010, 09:47:31 PM
There isn't much point in cranking up the surround sound is there........god awful, isn't it.  Its like watching the World Cup in a beehive.  No chants, no songs, no gasps ooo's or ahh's.  Can barely hear the whistle half the time.  At least ESPN's announcing crew is a major upgrade from the last Cup.


England looked really strong, but they just kind of fizzled and ran out of ideas it seemed.  They could really use Joe Cole and Ferdinand.  Obvious, GK is their question.

I thought the US was good enough to win, good enough to lose to one of the better teams.  Avoiding Germany might be the key to advancing to the quarters.

Slovenia will be tough, they hardly ever give up goals
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Maybe the reason Liverpool have so much English representation is because the rest of the EPL elite have so many of the elite players from other countries. ;D

.....then I watched Agger (Denmark) and Kuyt(Holland) play today.  Torres later this week.

(I tivo'd it all, haven't had the chance to skim through Argentina, Germany or Italy's matches.  I did see enough of France to know they just aren't very good)

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 14, 2010, 09:49:13 PM
The announcers in the Holland/Denmark game were mentioning the ball kind of 'takes off' on players..........perhaps thats why there have been few goals, lots of times the ball just seems to get away from the player breaking on goal on the first touch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 15, 2010, 06:41:41 PM
Fight Terrorism - Watch the World Cup!!  :o ::)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/14/somali-soccer-fans-execut_n_611576.html

Taking on Israel and the US is one thing - the militants may come to regret taking on the world's soccer fans! :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 16, 2010, 01:45:54 PM
Looks like Spain is at it again as far as taking on the role of biggest chokers in the World Cup.  The Swiss took them down 1-0 today!  :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 16, 2010, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 16, 2010, 01:45:54 PM
Looks like Spain is at it again as far as taking on the role of biggest chokers in the World Cup.  The Swiss took them down 1-0 today!  :o

I think it's probably a bit early to call them chokers--hardly any of the favored teams impressed in their openers.  Spain totally dominated except for the little matter of the scoreline ;). I think Spain is vulnerable due to their lack of size without Torres, and when he did come in he looked a tad rusty on the ball due to being injured most of the spring.   Big physical teams which can disrupt their passing could be a problem for Spain.  Think of what Inter Milan did to Barcelona in the CL semi (since half of the Spanish team play for Barcelona).

From what I saw this morning, Chile didn't look bad at all.  Anybody see the entire match? That whole group could get really interesting!

Back in the US now.  Culture shock and jet lag are setting in.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
I didn't see the Spain/Switzerland game itself, but just saw some highlights on ESPN.  Spain had a number of really excellent chances to score, but just couldn't catch a break.

Rough day for the host country.  With Uruguay up 1-0, RSA's keeper was red-carded for tripping a player attempting to score.  Forlan (who already had the first goal) made the PK to pretty much ice the game.  Adding insult to injury, Uruguay scored a third goal with about 20 seconds left in injury time.  RSA will have to try to beat France (by at least 2-3 goals to have any chance at a tie-break) with their back-up keeper, who definitely appears to be a step below their starter.  It looks highly probable that RSA will be the first host country ever to not make it out of group.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2010, 12:20:57 AM
While the better team won, I feel bad for Bafana Bafana.  Forlan's first goal glanced off the back of a defender - while a great goal, I'm not certain it would have been a goal without that slight deflection/change of speed.  While the red-card was probably technically correct, it seemed an overly harsh penalty for incidental contact AFTER the keeper had kicked away the goal (and Suarez was no longer likely to get to the ball - I'd say PK, but yellow if carded at all).  And Khune probably would have stopped that final goal.

Doesn't really matter (barring a goal-differential tie-break), but I'd say that was much closer to a 1-0, not 3-0, game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 17, 2010, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: sac on June 14, 2010, 09:47:31 PM
I did see enough of France to know they just aren't very good)

confirmed!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 17, 2010, 05:10:55 PM
http://www.sportspickle.com/article:999/video-what-english-goalie-robert-green-was-thinking-on-that-goal
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2010, 05:56:36 PM
More danger for Cup fans - beware of family members wanting to watch gospel shows instead. ::)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/17/man-killed-by-family-for-_n_616199.html

They may watch gospel shows, but the message seems to elude them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2010, 12:00:36 PM
USA was absolutely robbed by the most incompetent (and/or dishonest) officating I can ever recall.  Down 2-0 at the half, they absolutely dominated in the second.  They tied it up, then had the winning goal disallowed for no reason whatsoever.  No one was offside, and even if the goal was disallowed, the US should have had a PK, as Michael Bradley was absolutely mugged.  The official also cost us Findley for the third game, giving him a yellow for a 'deliberate handball', when the ball clearly hit his face, not his hand.

After falling behind 2-0, I guess we can't be TOO disappointed with a point, but legitimately they earned three points.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2010, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2010, 12:00:36 PM
USA was absolutely robbed by the most incompetent (and/or dishonest) officating I can ever recall.  Down 2-0 at the half, they absolutely dominated in the second.  They tied it up, then had the winning goal disallowed for no reason whatsoever.  No one was offside, and even if the goal was disallowed, the US should have had a PK, as Michael Bradley was absolutely mugged.  The official also cost us Findley for the third game, giving him a yellow for a 'deliberate handball', when the ball clearly hit his face, not his hand.

After falling behind 2-0, I guess we can't be TOO disappointed with a point, but legitimately they earned three points.
The question by the quadrennial fan is, "Why should I follow a sport in which the Americans aren't gonna get a fair break?  I don't care what the rest of the world thinks.  I do not define myself by what the world thinks or likes for enterntainment."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 18, 2010, 01:29:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2010, 12:37:52 PM
The question by the quadrennial fan is, "Why should I follow a sport in which the Americans aren't gonna get a fair break?  

Memo to the quadrennial fan:  it isn't only the Americans who are the victim of poor officiating -- this is one game where everybody gets their fair share!!  ;)  However, that disallowed third goal was one of the worst calls I have seen in recent memory.

I'm not a huge fan of the sport for a lot more reasons than the questionable officiating that goes on. But I do watch it because as an ex-pat, living in a football crazy country, I almost have to. I follow it because I want to show my colors and want to support the guys wearing our uniform - win, lose or (like today) draw.  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2010, 01:31:21 PM
Well, the officiating was a disgrace, as Alexi Lalas said.  No question--and it was a one-sided disgrace.  Nothing remotely like it against Slovenia, a side whose whining, crying, diving, and face-grabbing (a sure sign someone is acting) were extremely tiresome.

The US did very well to come back, but...as Lalas also said at halftime--where were they in the first half?  The defending was poor on both Slovenian goals.  Both US goals were terrific; I didn't think Donovan had a prayer with that angle and two defenders on him.  If they could just get off the starting blocks, they'd be right up there with the top contenders.

Ralph, I don't know what to say to you.  If soccer doesn't interest you beyond the performance of the US, then you shouldn't follow it.  The dependence of the game on one official's decisions is one of its weak points.  Perhaps I'm being naive, but I vote for incompetence over malevolence in this case.  And yes, it was gross incompetence.

I suppose folks have heard that David James will be in goal for England today.  If England beat Slovenia and Algeria and the US beat Algeria, then the "cousins" both go through, I think.  The England-Slovenia match will be huge.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2010, 02:53:18 PM
Slovenian defenseman, Marko Suler:  "They were pushing and holding all the time.  You could see it was a foul and it was the correct decision.  They did not deserve to win the game.  It would not have been the correct result.  We were the better team."

WOW!  5 short sentences and 5 blatant lies - a new record for a non-politician! :P

Marko, watch a re-play of the game, especially the 86th minute.  You got your azzes kicked by the much superior team in the second half.  I wonder - were YOU the guy that had Bradley in a bear hug before throwing him to the ground during the game-winning goal? >:(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2010, 03:18:31 PM
Halftime, and wakeup time for England.  They started as sluggishly as the US did.  The Algerians are beating them to most balls and defending well. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: hopefan on June 18, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
Sorry, D3hoops is my interest, but I am patriotic, so Im following the World cup   -  what happens if USA and England both finish at 0 - 0 - 3   ?  What is the tie break?  Goals for?  Goals Against?     ... thanks....
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 18, 2010, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: hopefan on June 18, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
Sorry, D3hoops is my interest, but I am patriotic, so Im following the World cup   -  what happens if USA and England both finish at 0 - 0 - 3   ?  What is the tie break?  Goals for?  Goals Against?     ... thanks....

goal differential, at the moment US holds a +2 advantage over England.  The poor English would never let Green live it down ever if that happened.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 18, 2010, 05:06:34 PM
Today demonstrated one of the oldest cliches in sport.

" and thats why they play the games".
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 18, 2010, 05:20:34 PM
I heisted both of these links from a Michigan football blog who's author is bonkers over US soccer.

Image #1 and it really needs no explination does it, but the red arrows point out the 4 fouls on US players occuring.  Two of them horrible, see Dempsey and Bradley......actually you can't see Dempsey because he's being swallowed by a Slovenian.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmgoblog.com%2Fsites%2Fmgoblog.com%2Ffiles%2FKnifeWork_B2BB%2Fhugmeholdme_thumb.jpg&hash=59bd7d56c3d5deb51485d24099efae9ad4e7879f)


The next link is to a game he somehow remembered from the 2002 World Cup, in which Ireland had drawn their first game and were trailing Germany by 1, and needed a draw to keep their advancement hopes alive....

then this happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFQOoSUbnBs&feature=player_embedded

that is a scary good memory.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2010, 05:22:21 PM
Quote from: hopefan on June 18, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
Sorry, D3hoops is my interest, but I am patriotic, so Im following the World cup   -  what happens if USA and England both finish at 0 - 0 - 3   ?  What is the tie break?  Goals for?  Goals Against?     ... thanks....

From the Sunday Times:

•If England beat Slovenia on Wednesday, they will qualify for the knockout stages.

•If they lose, they are out.

•If England win and the United States win, Fabio Capello's side must win by a better margin to take top spot in the group.

•A draw will almost certainly mean England are knocked out — unless England have a high-scoring draw and the US-Algeria game is a low-scoring draw. If England's draw is two goals higher than the US's, the teams would draw lots to advance.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 18, 2010, 06:03:01 PM
My favorite player so far is Brazil's Kaka.  No matter how well he does, he always plays like Kaka. :-X
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2010, 01:31:21 PM

Ralph, I don't know what to say to you.  If soccer doesn't interest you beyond the performance of the US, then you shouldn't follow it.  The dependence of the game on one official's decisions is one of its weak points.  Perhaps I'm being naive, but I vote for incompetence over malevolence in this case.  And yes, it was gross incompetence.

Greetings Hoosier Titan.

My question is rhetorical.  How do you increase interest in the sport if the premier event of the sport becomes a major reason for fans to dislike it?

Americans hate ties in their athletic contests.

They hate poor officiating.

They want more action.

Their sense of fair play is offended by the officiating which does not call the fouls that are easily seen.

These are the issues that have not been changed since the last World Cup.  Yes, Clint Dempsey is from the strong American football town of Nacogdoches, TX, but the growth of soccer is going more slowly than the proponents of the sport, including Lamar Hunt (God rest his soul) imagined, some 43 years ago, when I was introduced to the sport.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2010, 07:13:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2010, 01:31:21 PM

Ralph, I don't know what to say to you.  If soccer doesn't interest you beyond the performance of the US, then you shouldn't follow it.  The dependence of the game on one official's decisions is one of its weak points.  Perhaps I'm being naive, but I vote for incompetence over malevolence in this case.  And yes, it was gross incompetence.

Greetings Hoosier Titan.

My question is rhetorical.  How do you increase interest in the sport if the premier event of the sport becomes a major reason for fans to dislike it?

Americans hate ties in their athletic contests.

They hate poor officiating.

They want more action.

Their sense of fair play is offended by the officiating which does not call the fouls that are easily seen.

These are the issues that have not been changed since the last World Cup.  Yes, Clint Dempsey is from the strong American football town of Nacogdoches, TX, but the growth of soccer is going more slowly than the proponents of the sport, including Lamar Hunt (God rest his soul) imagined, some 43 years ago, when I was introduced to the sport.

Ralph,

You make some very valid points. 

I may not be the best single individual to respond to your thoughts about what Americans like and don't like, as an American Anglophile who's just returned from living in England for six months.  Personally, I think that soccer--which I still have a hard time calling it after these months--is a far, far more interesting game than American "football", which bores me to tears. 

I think that you are probably right that MOST Americans hate ties.  They don't bother me, and I don't really see a way to get around them in soccer--playing extra time doesn't usually help, and penalty kicks have their own problems.

I don't agree that there is no action in soccer (save perhaps that wretched display put on by England today).  I used to think that until I got into well-played football.  Now I see a good soccer match as something akin to a pitchers' duel in baseball--not a lot of action to the initiated, but infinitely more subtle, challenging, and rewarding to the dedicated fan.

The reliance (primarily) on a single official in soccer is problematic.  UEFA (the European governing body) experimented this year with additional officials in the "end zones".  Whether they would have helped avert the horrendous call which cost the US the win is uncertain; I believe the primary official is not required to follow the guidance of the others. 

But surely, fans of every sport hate poor officiating!  We certainly see enough of it in Division III basketball.  What about the perfect game ruined by the umpire?  And fans in every country do too--this is not just an American thing, or a soccer thing. 

I'm sorry if it sounded like I was telling you to "get lost" initially--I didn't mean it that way.  Even with flaws, soccer IS a worldwide sport.  After the England-US match, a friend from Chile IM'd me almost immediately to talk about it.  That doesn't happen in any other sport, and I love the World Cup for that reason.  I know that soccer is a hard sell in this country and I hope we can continue to have good conversations about it.  :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2010, 08:31:09 PM
Thanks, no malice assumed.  :)

Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 18, 2010, 07:13:13 PM

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The reliance (primarily) on a single official in soccer is problematic.  UEFA (the European governing body) experimented this year with additional officials in the "end zones".  Whether they would have helped avert the horrendous call which cost the US the win is uncertain; I believe the primary official is not required to follow the guidance of the others. 
...
How many officials were in that UEFA crew?  Two lines, a middle and two ends?

One configuration that might work would be two sides, a middle and then the assistant middle that works the opposite diagonal from the "head middle"?  The opposite diagonal would be perpendicular to the diagonal that the "lines" are working.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 18, 2010, 09:12:37 PM
The buzz has been strong so far with the World Cup -- and I'm not talking about all those vuvuzelas the South African fans like to blow.

In the first eight matches, ESPN and ABC averaged 4.27 million viewers, an 80 percent increase over the first eight games of the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

Of course, that number was highlighted by last weekend's U.S.-England match, which had a 7.3 rating and an estimated 13 million viewers, and was the most-watched first-round game since 1994.

Another 1.3 million viewers also have logged on to watch the World Cup on ESPN3.com.

Those figures don't take into account Univision, which had a record 5.4 million viewers for the World Cup opener, Mexico vs. South Africa. ESPN "only" had 2.85 million viewers for the same game.

Total numbers should continue to rise as the tournament goes on and the stakes are raised.




It was estimated today the US had 50,000 fans in South Africa......and it was estimated the US had more fans in attendance than dear old England.


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 18, 2010, 09:39:09 PM
I am sorry to say, but FIFA is a freaking JOKE.  What happened to the USA team in the Slovakia match today brought back to me the nightmare of the Ireland vs France TH handball which was not seen and in this case the goal was granted.

Where does FIFA get these bogus officials!! >:(

It was announced today that FIFA will NOT announce any clarification on the call against the USA,  which is par for the course for the joke of an organization.

+k to sac on the 2002 World Cup video of Republic of Ireland vs Germany and the Robbie Keane goal off flick from Niall Quinn in 47th min in injury time ;D,  ONE OF MY FAVORITES!!!!!

What do you expect from a Rep of Ireland homey ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 18, 2010, 11:24:22 PM
The last sentence of Michael Davies comments on ESPN.com (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/blog?entryID=5303296&name=offtheball&cc=4716&ver=global) indicate that the referee responsible for everyones screams, Koman Coulibaly, was born...you guessed it...on the Fourth of July. I guess being from Mali, he doesn't understand what that means.  :-\ I doubt he gets his invite as Grand Marshal to a parade in a couple weeks!! 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 12:18:13 AM
The best response I've read to Ralph's query about the 'quadrennial fan':

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/06/18/the-goal-that-wasnt/?eref=sihp

AND it is an interesting read, regardless.  Not only Coulibaly, but even more so FIFA, should be embarassed for the damage they have done to soccer.  Make the official explain the damn call!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 19, 2010, 02:00:46 AM
I hate that stupid kicking contest to break ties.

Why don't they just play on and slowly decrease the number of players on each side?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 19, 2010, 02:56:34 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 12:18:13 AM
The best response I've read to Ralph's query about the 'quadrennial fan':

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/06/18/the-goal-that-wasnt/?eref=sihp

AND it is an interesting read, regardless.  Not only Coulibaly, but even more so FIFA, should be embarassed for the damage they have done to soccer.  Make the official explain the damn call!!!

Interesting article and well written...jopo is a good read.

Furthermore, Yahoo Sports (http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/source-fifa-may-sit-slovenia-u-s--fbintl_ro-referee061810.html) is reporting that FIFA sources will conduct an expedited review on Coulibaly's performance and he likely will be excluded from the remainder of the WC:

"If he is found to have made a serious mistake, especially one that affected the outcome, then he would be highly unlikely to play any further part in the tournament," said the source, who is close to senior figures on the refereeing panel. "FIFA is determined to keep refereeing standards high and does not want high-profile mistakes."


I guess this would qualify as a serious mistake that affected the outcome and is rather high-profile in nature!!  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 19, 2010, 07:39:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 12:18:13 AM
The best response I've read to Ralph's query about the 'quadrennial fan':

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/06/18/the-goal-that-wasnt/?eref=sihp

AND it is an interesting read, regardless.  Not only Coulibaly, but even more so FIFA, should be embarassed for the damage they have done to soccer.  Make the official explain the damn call!!!

Excellent piece, Ypsi. 

As to the official, it is true that mistakes happen all the time.  Perfect games are lost, blocking gets called charging.  In the last World Cup, one of the best referees in the world, Graham Poll, gave three yellow cards to one player before sending him off (and in this case the sideline fourth official was at least equally at fault).  Poll's FIFA career was over, but he had the guts to face the public and explain the mistake.  Yesterday's official's refusal to do so speaks volumes, and he should face the consequences.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 19, 2010, 11:46:54 AM
Here is referee list for 2010 World Cup :

Look who is first on the list,  Hand of God Martin Hansson!!!

Coulibali a "financial inspector"??!!!

Martin Hansson, Sweden, Firefighter
Howard Webb, England, Referee
Stéphane Lannoy, France, Video games distributor
Viktor Kassai, Hungary, Travel agent
Roberto Rosetti, Italy, Physiotherapist
Olegário Benquerença, Portugal, Insurance agent
Wolfgang Stark, Germany, Bank employee
Massimo Busacca, Switzerland, Managing director
Oscar Ruiz, Colombia, Lawyer
Marco Rodriguez, Mexico, PE teacher
Jorge Larrionda, Uruguay, Clerk
Carlos Amarilla, Paraguay, Electrical engineer
Alberto Undiano Mallenco, Spain, Sociologist
Frank De Bleeckere, Belgium, PR manager
Hector Baldassi, Argentina, Businessman
Pablo Pozo, Chile, Auditor
Carlos Eugenio Simon, Brazil, Referee
Khalil Al Ghamdi, Saudi Arabia, Teacher
Ravshan Irmatov, Uzbekistan, Instructor
Subkhiddin Mohd Salleh, Malaysia, Teacher
Yuichi Nishimura, Japan, Referee
Koman Coulibaly, Mali, Financial inspector
Mohamed Benouza, Algeria, Businessman
Jerome Damon, South Africa, Teacher
Eddy Maillet, Seychelles, Referee co-ordinator
Joel Aguilar, El Salvador, Teacher
Benito Archundia, Mexico, Lawyer
Carlos Batres, Guatemala, Bachelor of science
Peter O'Leary, New Zealand, Teacher
Michael Hester, New Zealand, Naval officer
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 19, 2010, 12:40:59 PM

From FIFA.com:

France striker Nicolas Anelka has been sent home from the FIFA World Cup™ after after refusing to apologise for his half-time rant at coach Raymond Domenech.

He one of only a few decent guys on the  team!!!!

French national team seems to be in shambles, seems no one wants to play for Domenech, which is understandable, yet sad for the nation

Also sad that they qualified vs Ireland  :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2010, 12:55:59 PM
IMHO, the red card that Soccerroo's Harry Kewell's received was another controversial call.

It looked like the ball struck his chest and the upper arm simultaneously.  The upper arm seemed to be perpendicular to the ground and not adducted (the anatomical term meaning not sticking straight out) from the chest wall.  Even tho' the forearm and the hand were extended, the ball did not hit them.

Ball to the arm, not arm to the ball.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2010, 03:21:32 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 19, 2010, 07:39:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 12:18:13 AM
The best response I've read to Ralph's query about the 'quadrennial fan':

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/06/18/the-goal-that-wasnt/?eref=sihp

AND it is an interesting read, regardless.  Not only Coulibaly, but even more so FIFA, should be embarassed for the damage they have done to soccer.  Make the official explain the damn call!!!

Excellent piece, Ypsi. 

As to the official, it is true that mistakes happen all the time.  Perfect games are lost, blocking gets called charging.  In the last World Cup, one of the best referees in the world, Graham Poll, gave three yellow cards to one player before sending him off (and in this case the sideline fourth official was at least equally at fault).  Poll's FIFA career was over, but he had the guts to face the public and explain the mistake.  Yesterday's official's refusal to do so speaks volumes, and he should face the consequences.
Pull quote from the article...

QuoteBut what made Coulibali's Call-of-Folly so maddening is that even soccer experts could not tell us why it happened. Even an honest bad call — even Jim Joyce's imperfect game call, for instance — is something digestible. He thought the guy was safe. OK. But this... what did he see? What mistake was made? Can a referee simply disallow a goal for fuzzy reasons that only he seems to know?

Joyce's acknowledgment and confession was accepted by fans because he understood what he had done and was repentant.  Such is the nature of the game, and that may become the second most famous perfect game.

As for the referee from Mali, the cynical American fan can easily imagine the real reason behind that non-call.  The US didn't deserve to win..."America hate" manifested in a referee's call.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 19, 2010, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on June 19, 2010, 11:46:54 AM
Here is referee list for 2010 World Cup :

Look who is first on the list,  Hand of God Martin Hansson!!!

Coulibali a "financial inspector"??!!!

Martin Hansson, Sweden, Firefighter
Howard Webb, England, Referee
Stéphane Lannoy, France, Video games distributor
Viktor Kassai, Hungary, Travel agent
Roberto Rosetti, Italy, Physiotherapist
Olegário Benquerença, Portugal, Insurance agent
Wolfgang Stark, Germany, Bank employee
Massimo Busacca, Switzerland, Managing director
Oscar Ruiz, Colombia, Lawyer
Marco Rodriguez, Mexico, PE teacher
Jorge Larrionda, Uruguay, Clerk
Carlos Amarilla, Paraguay, Electrical engineer
Alberto Undiano Mallenco, Spain, Sociologist
Frank De Bleeckere, Belgium, PR manager
Hector Baldassi, Argentina, Businessman
Pablo Pozo, Chile, Auditor
Carlos Eugenio Simon, Brazil, Referee
Khalil Al Ghamdi, Saudi Arabia, Teacher
Ravshan Irmatov, Uzbekistan, Instructor
Subkhiddin Mohd Salleh, Malaysia, Teacher
Yuichi Nishimura, Japan, Referee
Koman Coulibaly, Mali, Financial inspector
Mohamed Benouza, Algeria, Businessman
Jerome Damon, South Africa, Teacher
Eddy Maillet, Seychelles, Referee co-ordinator
Joel Aguilar, El Salvador, Teacher
Benito Archundia, Mexico, Lawyer
Carlos Batres, Guatemala, Bachelor of science
Peter O'Leary, New Zealand, Teacher
Michael Hester, New Zealand, Naval officer

Just thinking out loud here, but do you think it's time for someone to "inspect" the "financials" of Mr. Coulibaly?   

I like Carlos Batres' occupation. Imagine, a referee with B.S. for a job!! Say what?  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 10:35:49 PM
Ralph and BoBo,

While I'm as cynical as the next guy, I certainly hope the call was neither political not corrupt.  But that is exactly why FIFA is a threat to soccer.  NOT requiring referees to explain their reasoning on 'controversial' calls (or even to tell anyone what the hell the call even was! :o) is an open invitation to suspect the worst.  Sometimes I think FIFA exists to make the NCAA look good! ;D

It is the parenthetical above which is the most maddening - to this day NO ONE even knows what the call was!!  In every other sport known to man, you at least know WHAT the official called! >:(  [With the possible exception of gymnastics, figure skating, etc., where there is no indication of why a judge gave a 9.4 vs. a 9.8.]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2010, 10:42:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 10:35:49 PM
Ralph and BoBo,

While I'm as cynical as the next guy, I certainly hope the call was neither political not corrupt.  But that is exactly why FIFA is a threat to soccer.  NOT requiring referees to explain their reasoning on 'controversial' calls (or even to tell anyone what the hell the call even was! :o) is an open invitation to suspect the worst.  Sometimes I think FIFA exists to make the NCAA look good! ;D

It is the parenthetical above which is the most maddening - to this day NO ONE even knows what the call was!!  In every other sport known to man, you at least know WHAT the official called! >:(  [With the possible exception of gymnastics, figure skating, etc., where there is no indication of why a judge gave a 9.4 vs. a 9.8.]
But we are old enough to remember the Olympic figure skating scores in which they threw out the highest and the lowest of a set of 9 scores.

I wonder how many pounds sterling the betting swing in London was for the US tie versus the win?
+1 on the NCAA/FIFA assessment!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 19, 2010, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 10:35:49 PM
It is the parenthetical above which is the most maddening - to this day NO ONE even knows what the call was!!  In every other sport known to man, you at least know WHAT the official called! >:(  [With the possible exception of gymnastics, figure skating, etc., where there is no indication of why a judge gave a 9.4 vs. a 9.8.]

I'm sure someone in FIFA, through their Saturday review of Mr. Coulibaly's performance, has an idea why the referee disallowed the goal.  They appear to be preparing a response (i.e. PR department burning the midnight oil coming up with a positive spin) to announce on Monday. Only FIFA would wait until Monday to make their anouncement. My guess is that they are getting Mr. Coulibaly out of S.A. and back to (obscurity in) Mali, essentially making him unavailable for comment, before the announcement is made.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 11:31:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2010, 10:42:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2010, 10:35:49 PM
Ralph and BoBo,

While I'm as cynical as the next guy, I certainly hope the call was neither political not corrupt.  But that is exactly why FIFA is a threat to soccer.  NOT requiring referees to explain their reasoning on 'controversial' calls (or even to tell anyone what the hell the call even was! :o) is an open invitation to suspect the worst.  Sometimes I think FIFA exists to make the NCAA look good! ;D

It is the parenthetical above which is the most maddening - to this day NO ONE even knows what the call was!!  In every other sport known to man, you at least know WHAT the official called! >:(  [With the possible exception of gymnastics, figure skating, etc., where there is no indication of why a judge gave a 9.4 vs. a 9.8.]
But we are old enough to remember the Olympic figure skating scores in which they threw out the highest and the lowest of a set of 9 scores.

I wonder how many pounds sterling the betting swing in London was for the US tie versus the win?
+1 on the NCAA/FIFA assessment!

I thought of making a FIFA/IOC comparison, but I think the IOC just might be even worse. :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 20, 2010, 02:15:27 AM
Thirty refs for 48 first round games.  I hope he doesn't get another chance.  At least we won't see him again.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 20, 2010, 09:17:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2010, 12:55:59 PM
IMHO, the red card that Soccerroo's Harry Kewell's received was another controversial call.

It looked like the ball struck his chest and the upper arm simultaneously.  The upper arm seemed to be perpendicular to the ground and not adducted (the anatomical term meaning not sticking straight out) from the chest wall.  Even tho' the forearm and the hand were extended, the ball did not hit them.

Ball to the arm, not arm to the ball.

I disagree Ralph. I've watched the replay a number of times and it looks to me that while his arm is not sticking straight out, his elbow does gets away from his waist, taking his arm with him, towards the ball. It would've been easier to take a slide step to the right and the ball would've struck him square in the chest.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 20, 2010, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: BoBo on June 20, 2010, 09:17:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2010, 12:55:59 PM
IMHO, the red card that Soccerroo's Harry Kewell's received was another controversial call.

It looked like the ball struck his chest and the upper arm simultaneously.  The upper arm seemed to be perpendicular to the ground and not adducted (the anatomical term meaning not sticking straight out) from the chest wall.  Even tho' the forearm and the hand were extended, the ball did not hit them.

Ball to the arm, not arm to the ball.

I disagree Ralph. I've watched the replay a number of times and it looks to me that while his arm is not sticking straight out, his elbow does gets away from his waist, taking his arm with him, towards the ball. It would've been easier to take a slide step to the right and the ball would've struck him square in the chest.
Thanks. I don't know that he could have reacted that quickly but his "forward/sideways motion" would have conveyed intent better.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
I want to give a shout-out to an official who got a hard call right.  Drogba's goal against Brazil was a case of such perfect timing on his charge into the box, that I was sure (in real time) that he was offside - the Brazilian keeper's delayed reaction suggests he assumed that too! ;)  Replays showed the goal was good, and kudos to the officials for seeing that.

But boo, hiss to the same referee for the second yellow (therefore red) on Kaka.  Ivorian Keita ran into him from behind, Kaka stuck out his elbow to protect himself (hitting Keita in the chest), Keita fell to the ground as though shot and clutched his face - it may have been the worst acting job I've ever seen (probably worthy of a card itself for flopping) that a ref actually bought!  (Fortunately, Brazil's next game, which Kaka will of course miss, is largely irrelevant.)

The ref also missed Fabiano's handball, perhaps even handballS, on Brazil's second goal, but eventually that didn't matter much (though turning a 1-0 game into a 2-0 game perhaps DID change the tactics).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 20, 2010, 10:45:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 20, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
I want to give a shout-out to an official who got a hard call right.  Drogba's goal against Brazil was a case of such perfect timing on his charge into the box, that I was sure (in real time) that he was offside - the Brazilian keeper's delayed reaction suggests he assumed that too! ;)  Replays showed the goal was good, and kudos to the officials for seeing that.

But boo, hiss to the same referee for the second yellow (therefore red) on Kaka.  Ivorian Keita ran into him from behind, Kaka stuck out his elbow to protect himself (hitting Keita in the chest), Keita fell to the ground as though shot and clutched his face - it may have been the worst acting job I've ever seen (probably worthy of a card itself for flopping) that a ref actually bought!  (Fortunately, Brazil's next game, which Kaka will of course miss, is largely irrelevant.)

The ref also missed Fabiano's handball, perhaps even handballS, on Brazil's second goal, but eventually that didn't matter much (though turning a 1-0 game into a 2-0 game perhaps DID change the tactics).

There have been a number of good--i.e. correct--offside calls in the last couple of days. 

I had to do some work and missed what did seem to be multiple handballs by Fabiano, as well as Kaka's first yellow.  I did see the second, which I agree was way beyond overacting--it was dishonest.  I'm coming to see face grabbing as an indicator of diving--unless the replay shows that there actually was real contact to the face, of course.  Sounded like another official who was not ready for prime time.

What an interesting World Cup!  France is nearly eliminated and the team are refusing to train, Spain has already lost to Switzerland, Germany has lost to Serbia, New Zealand (considered one of the weakest two sides in the finals) drew with the Cup holders Italy today, and England is on the ropes.  Lots to happen in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 21, 2010, 01:03:55 AM
I did see Kaka's first yellow, and cannot for the life of me remember the circumstances - so I'm guessing it was not particularly cardable action.  Perhaps an over-protest?  He WAS getting a bit testy towards the end.  His dismissal was still a disgrace.

The last ten minutes or so got so 'testy', at one point when the referee walked towards the center I thought he was forfeiting the match! :o ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 21, 2010, 11:30:25 AM
Maybe the dear leader should have hired some Chinese nationals to play instead of just cheer.

Portugal 7 No Korea 0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 22, 2010, 08:38:00 AM
Well, it turns out FIFA (http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/story/13548976/fifa-very-satisfied-with-world-cup-referees?tag=headlines;other) is completely satisfied with their on-field officials, dispite widespread criticism coming from the 4 corners of the Earth.

This from Jose-Marcia Garcia-Aranda , FIFA Head of refereeing:
QuoteNobody can say the credibility of football is, let's say, in doubt.
It's mind-boggling that they are so out of touch with reality.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 22, 2010, 01:03:12 PM
Les Blues ont elimine des Copa du Monde!!!!!!!

What a disaster of an appearance, and an embarrassement to the country ::)

South Afgrica played a fantastic match today to send France packing.  Sad RSA were eliminated today.!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2010, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on June 22, 2010, 01:03:12 PM
Les Blues ont elimine des Copa du Monde!!!!!!!

What a disaster of an appearance, and an embarrassement to the country ::)

South Afgrica played a fantastic match today to send France packing.  Sad RSA were eliminated today.!!!
Bad Karma.  They angered the soccer gods, and they got what they deserved.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 22, 2010, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2010, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on June 22, 2010, 01:03:12 PM
Les Blues ont elimine des Copa du Monde!!!!!!!

What a disaster of an appearance, and an embarrassement to the country ::)

South Afgrica played a fantastic match today to send France packing.  Sad RSA were eliminated today.!!!
Bad Karma.  They angered the soccer gods, and they got what they deserved.

Ralph,

Well stated 8-)



I predict last 4 standing to be Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Portugal, with Argentina/Brazil final!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 10:53:37 AM
Alas, another American goal disallowed improperly.  Offside flag went up, but replay showed Dempsey was not offside.  Later USA at least twice should have scored, but whiffed on easy opportunities.  Still 0-0 at the half.

The good news is that USA is clearly the better side.  I'm optimistic they will eventually break through.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 23, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Wow!  The cousins are through.  Much better from the English, and great last minutes from the Americans (plus a better game all around).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 23, 2010, 11:58:55 AM
DONOVAN, ALTIDORE, DEMPSEY UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 11:59:11 AM
It took all the way to stoppage time, but Landon Donovan finally broke through!

That was a totally dominating performance by the US - with any breaks, they might have scored 6 or 7 goals (they DID score 2, regardless of what the refs say ;)).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2010, 12:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 11:59:11 AM
It took all the way to stoppage time, but Landon Donovan finally broke through!

That was a totally dominating performance by the US - with any breaks, they might have scored 6 or 7 goals (they DID score 2, regardless of what the refs say ;)).
And the spurrious handball call in about the 87th minute.

The soccer gods avenge us.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 23, 2010, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2010, 12:13:29 PM

The soccer gods avenge us.

True.  In the long run they usually do. :)  Fair result for the group, I think.  Now to see who the opposition will be.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2010, 01:49:56 PM
What I liked about Donovan's goal was how quickly Howard distributed the ball to get the play moving.  That play turned very quickly and the US struck fast and hard.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 02 Warhawk on June 23, 2010, 02:06:34 PM
I forgot the game was on this morning. then someone in my office just started screaming "YEAH!!" I rushed back to my computer to see that they won it in stoppage time.

What a game....glad to see U.S. finally not leaving its fans disapointed in the World Cup. No matter who they play in the first round, it won't be easy.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 23, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
USA not making it to the knockout round would have a been a travesty of major proportions!!!

Now, I hope the officiating gets better for them, so they can move deep into the final leg of the WC tournament.

A few breaks, some luck a decent call or two and continued excellent play should get them there.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 23, 2010, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2010, 01:49:56 PM
What I liked about Donovan's goal was how quickly Howard distributed the ball to get the play moving.  That play turned very quickly and the US struck fast and hard.
Like a Bill Walton outlet pass.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
Did anyone besides me get the impression that Ghana didn't really want to score the last ten minutes or so?  If they tied or beat Germany, they would have finished first and played England.  They would surely have been aware of the Soccaroos shocking upset of Serbia, so they knew that even with the loss they were through and playing USA.  If my impression is correct, perhaps a little 'bulletin board material' for USA - "hey, Ghana deliberately lost so they could play us." :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 23, 2010, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
Did anyone besides me get the impression that Ghana didn't really want to score the last ten minutes or so?  If they tied or beat Germany, they would have finished first and played England.  They would surely have been aware of the Soccaroos shocking upset of Serbia, so they knew that even with the loss they were through and playing USA.  If my impression is correct, perhaps a little 'bulletin board material' for USA - "hey, Ghana deliberately lost so they could play us." :o

I only had it on in the background, but it didn't look like they were going all out for the win.  Not sure that I'd say they "deliberately lost" though, just that they were tired and knowing they were through was enough.  Of course, it could still be bulletin board material.

Just found a great quote.  I don't know this writer:  Eduardo Galeano, author of Soccer in Sun and Shadow... said, "Years have gone by and I've finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good soccer. I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: 'A pretty move, for the love of God.' And when good soccer happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don't give a damn which team or country performs it."  Nice!  Of course, I prefer it when my teams (or one of them) perform it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 23, 2010, 05:26:07 PM
Pure Joy!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 23, 2010, 06:02:44 PM
Seems appropriate, one of my fav soccer cheers from England.....too bad no one will hear it over the horns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1M730cYkic



....we'll just never be a true soccer nation until we can produce something like this piece of priceless creativity.......doubt we'll hear them sing that either, but probably for another reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHQruuSIXuE

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 07:17:36 PM
Totally off topic, but have you seen that insane match at Wimbledon?

Two guys, absurdly equal (despite about a 150 place difference in world ranking), will go into the THIRD day of the match tomorrow!  They already went to tie-breaker for both the 3rd and 4th sets, but the fifth set has no tie-breaker.  After being postponed by darkness yesterday, they played all day today and were postponed again, tied at 59!!  The all-time record for a tournament match (not just Wimbeldon, but ANY tournament) was 6 hours, 32 minutes.  These guys are at 9 hours, 58 minutes, and counting! :o

I'm just afraid it will end anticlimactically - one or the other will be too stiff and sore tomorrow to continue.  It is likely to be a pyrrhic victory - the winner is scheduled to play tomorrow! :P  (Would Wimbeldon have mercy?)

Personally, I'm rooting for a FOURTH day, with the winner being directly advanced to the final! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 07:41:00 PM
Trivia bit (which MIGHT become relevant at some point) I just ran across:

Those 'tangling' with Jozy Altidore have picked up FIVE yellow cards in three games.  Unless it is coincidental stupidity, that is quite a tribute to the young striker. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2010, 07:17:36 PM
Totally off topic, but have you seen that insane match at Wimbledon?

Two guys, absurdly equal (despite about a 150 place difference in world ranking), will go into the THIRD day of the match tomorrow!  They already went to tie-breaker for both the 3rd and 4th sets, but the fifth set has no tie-breaker.  After being postponed by darkness yesterday, they played all day today and were postponed again, tied at 59!!  The all-time record for a tournament match (not just Wimbeldon, but ANY tournament) was 6 hours, 32 minutes.  These guys are at 9 hours, 58 minutes, and counting! :o

I'm just afraid it will end anticlimactically - one or the other will be too stiff and sore tomorrow to continue.  It is likely to be a pyrrhic victory - the winner is scheduled to play tomorrow! :P  (Would Wimbeldon have mercy?)

Personally, I'm rooting for a FOURTH day, with the winner being directly advanced to the final! ;D

Another bit of trivia just encountered - approximately 50% of all 'Grand Slam' winners have played less time in their entire tourney than John Isner and Nicolas Mahut have already played in their first-round match! :o

BTW, I am well aware that advancing the winner of this match directly to the final would be grossly unfair to everyone else on that side of the draw.  IF this were to go to a fourth day, screw it - has anyone else ever played an 18+ hour match, or a 123-121 fifth set?! :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 23, 2010, 09:01:33 PM
Quote from: sac on June 23, 2010, 06:02:44 PM
Seems appropriate, one of my fav soccer cheers from England.....too bad no one will hear it over the horns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1M730cYkic



....we'll just never be a true soccer nation until we can produce something like this piece of priceless creativity.......doubt we'll hear them sing that either, but probably for another reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHQruuSIXuE





Brilliant, sac, thanks!  The song has just gone onto my Facebook page. 

Special One TV is back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSw0DtFE4l8
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 24, 2010, 03:56:11 AM
The Americans Defining moment (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5319612/ce/us/biggest-win-us-soccer&cc=4716?ver=global).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 24, 2010, 12:28:19 PM
This World Cup just keeps getting better and better!

First the Frenchies are eliminated. 

Then the US wins their group and England also advances out of the group. 

And today, the Italians get the boot to the Slovaks no less!!!   :D

I figured France would have a tough time advancing with all the turmoil surrounding their coach and their team.  But, I never dreamed Italy wouldn't advance because they had such a weak group.  I am so happy we won't have to witness any more world class flopping and crying from the Azzurri!!!   8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 24, 2010, 05:55:11 PM
Tears for Italy?.........didn't think so.

Italy v France, Sunday.  Drama Queen Cup.

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As many as 5 South American teams, (and one CONCACAF  ;D ) could top their group this year. 

As it stands,  between Uruguay, South Korea, United States, Ghana......one of those four teams will be in the Semi-Finals.  :o


...the tournament needed some drama and the last two days have provided plenty.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 24, 2010, 05:57:25 PM
Portugal/Brazil tomorrow, wonder if one of them might dog this match to avoid the potential matchup with the Netherlands in the quarters.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 24, 2010, 06:21:06 PM
Quote from: sac on June 24, 2010, 05:55:11 PM
Tears for Italy?.........didn't think so.

Italy v France, Sunday.  Drama Queen Cup.

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As many as 5 South American teams, (and one CONCACAF  ;D ) could top their group this year. 

As it stands,  between Uruguay, South Korea, United States, Ghana......one of those four teams will be in the Semi-Finals.  :o


...the tournament needed some drama and the last two days have provided plenty.
Yeah, I did not want to mention the prospects of that happening for my favorite team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 06:30:01 PM
Quote from: sac on June 24, 2010, 05:55:11 PM
Tears for Italy?.........didn't think so.

Italy v France, Sunday.  Drama Queen Cup.

--------------------------------------------


As many as 5 South American teams, (and one CONCACAF  ;D ) could top their group this year. 

As it stands,  between Uruguay, South Korea, United States, Ghana......one of those four teams will be in the Semi-Finals.  :o


...the tournament needed some drama and the last two days have provided plenty.

While I have due respect for all, none throw a chill down my spine.  USA to the semis! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 06:39:18 PM
Quote from: sac on June 24, 2010, 05:57:25 PM
Portugal/Brazil tomorrow, wonder if one of them might dog this match to avoid the potential matchup with the Netherlands in the quarters.

Portugal has a seemingly insurmountable lead over Ivory Coast in goal differential, but if they dog it TOO much, they might find themselves on the out!  Brazil might decide to dog it (especially with the unfair disqualification of Kaka); might be a real yawner, when it looked like one of the best games of the group portion.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 24, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 06:30:01 PM
Quote from: sac on June 24, 2010, 05:55:11 PM
Tears for Italy?.........didn't think so.

Italy v France, Sunday.  Drama Queen Cup.

--------------------------------------------


As many as 5 South American teams, (and one CONCACAF  ;D ) could top their group this year. 

As it stands,  between Uruguay, South Korea, United States, Ghana......one of those four teams will be in the Semi-Finals.  :o


...the tournament needed some drama and the last two days have provided plenty.

While I have due respect for all, none throw a chill down my spine.  USA to the semis! ;D

I was talking with one of my friends about the very real prospect of the US making it to the semis.  Of course, we then realized the road would more than likely end there with the prospect of playing either Brazil or the Netherlands.  But we were both laughing about how making the semis would be like winning for the US!   :D

Also, Spain has the distinct possibility of packing their bags along with Italy and France.  They pretty much need to win vs. Chile tomorrow and if they don't win, they have to hope that the Swiss don't beat winless Hondurus.  And to further add to Spain's dilema, if they do happen to find their way through, they had better hope they end up winning the group or they have the prospect of facing Brazil in the opening round of the knockout stages! :o

And looking at the brackets, with all of the upset group winners, it seems as though we have two loaded sections and two not so loaded sections.  If Spain can't find their way to the top of their group, their section of the bracket could include Brazil/Portugal and the Netherlands.  Meanwile you have the USA's realtively light section above them.  And then, across the bracket you  have a section that is absolutely loaded which includes Germany, England, Argentina and Mexico.  And below them, depending on how Groups G and H unfold you could have Japan, Paraguay, Portugal/Brazil and Chile.  Looking at these brackets, I'm not sure who would want to win between Brazil and Portugal.  If I were Portugal, I would be perfectly content finishing 2nd in the group...  :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
The favorite team of my older son, the soccer coach, is Italy.  I'm dying to razz him about their last place finish in group, but the newlywed (this past weekend) seems to have better things to do than getting razzed by his old man! :P

I may have to disinherit him! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 24, 2010, 09:58:02 PM
How is the 2010 World Cup like the D-III playoffs in the sport of ______________ ?(You  may fiil in the blank with the sport you believe best fits the statement.     ;))

Quote from: ScotsFan on June 24, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
....

And looking at the brackets, with all of the upset group winners, it seems as though we have two loaded sections and two not so loaded sections.
 
...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 10:33:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 24, 2010, 09:58:02 PM
How is the 2010 World Cup like the D-III playoffs in the sport of ______________ ?(You  may fiil in the blank with the sport you believe best fits the statement.     ;))

Quote from: ScotsFan on June 24, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
....

And looking at the brackets, with all of the upset group winners, it seems as though we have two loaded sections and two not so loaded sections.
 
...

Well, if South Korea or Slovakia wins the whole thing, it looks a lot like d3 baseball! :P

(That is as close as you are ever likely to see to me dissing IWU! ;D)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
Sorry, folks, but as my son is still reveling in newly-wedded bliss, you're gonna have to absorb what I would have given to him! ;)

Italy lost today to Slovakia.  When David turned 4, Slovakia was not yet a country! :o

A stellar performance by the defending champions! ::)

[Fear not - David will still get his comeuppance when the occasion arises. 8-)]
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
BTW, has anyone ever learned what Coulibaly called?  As far as I have seen, FIFA has never even said WHAT he called, much less why?

Can you imagine a BCS game where the ref disallows the game-winning TD, but refuses to say what the penalty was? :o

While it fortunately has become a moot point, FIFA is still a bad joke.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 25, 2010, 01:52:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 11:00:16 PM

When David turned 4, Slovakia was not yet a country! :o
And  that tennis game was just starting the fifth set. :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 25, 2010, 09:11:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
BTW, has anyone ever learned what Coulibaly called?  As far as I have seen, FIFA has never even said WHAT he called, much less why?

Can you imagine a BCS game where the ref disallows the game-winning TD, but refuses to say what the penalty was? :o

While it fortunately has become a moot point, FIFA is still a bad joke.

Last I heard, FIFA does not have to and will not make Coulibaly explain himself for what the call was.  And nor will FIFA release an explaination of just what the call was.  At least when Jim Joyce made his gaff in ruining that perfect game, he had the stones to come out and admit he got the call wrong and explain why he made the call he made.  Coulibaly and FIFA really made themselves look bad with their cowardly act of not even giving one explaination. 

I would hope that dude never officiates another high profile event outside of the African Cup of Nations ever again?!

As you said Mr. Y.  Thankfully it was a moot point.  But it took a wonder goal from Landon Donovan in stoppage time to make it a moot point.  I'm sure that Mr. Coulibaly breathed in a HUGE sigh of relief knowing that Landon Donovan basically took him off the hook with his goal that propelled the Americans through to the knockout round.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 25, 2010, 12:25:33 PM
Does anyone think FIFA will ever allow instant replay similar to what we have in NFL, NBA???

FIFA still in the dark ages, and will be suspect until they move into the 21 century.

Wonder what the requirements/qualifications were to get picked to officiate at WC 2010 and who was responsible for the selections.

Some referees were excellent, others a disaster!

BTW, I thought the Portugal vs Brazil match was boring. ::)  And that Spain could be on the verge of elimination today if they dont play well vs Chile!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 25, 2010, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on June 25, 2010, 12:25:33 PM

FIFA still in the dark ages, and will be suspect until they move into the 21 century.
Soccer should have a back court rule.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 01:16:58 PM
I only saw the last 35-40 minutes of Brazil/Portugal, but that was some pathetic football. :P  Note to Brazil: having your defenders and midfielders play keep-away 60 yards from the goal is NOT 'the beautiful game'!
Title: Vuvuzela-Konzert
Post by: Gray Fox on June 25, 2010, 01:23:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkhJKAkau2A&feature=player_embedded#!

No comment needed. :'(
Title: Re: Vuvuzela-Konzert
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 01:32:27 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 25, 2010, 01:23:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkhJKAkau2A&feature=player_embedded#!

No comment needed. :'(

Ravel must be spinning like a top! ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2010, 04:32:07 PM
Competent, workmanlike showing from Spain against a lively Chile side.  I'm happy to see both sides advance.

Loved the commentary:  "A loss is a win for Chile while a draw is a loss for Switzerland..."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 05:18:59 PM
IMO, Spain/Chile was yet another game whose outcome may have been affected by questionable officiating.  Giving a second yellow (hence a red) to the Chilean player for what was almost certainly accidental contact (both players were running at the goal at top speed, eyes on the ball not each other, when he clipped the Spanish player's heel) seems WAY overly harsh.  Since Chile, playing a man down from the 37th minute on, nevertheless outscored Spain 1-0 the rest of the game, who knows what might have happened if they were full strength?

Oh well, I'm not sure getting Brazil is that much worse than getting Portugal in the round of 16.  And Spain/Portugal and Brazil/Chile has a certain natural rivalry aspect that the reverse match-ups just don't have.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2010, 05:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 05:18:59 PM
IMO, Spain/Chile was yet another game whose outcome may have been affected by questionable officiating.  Giving a second yellow (hence a red) to the Chilean player for what was almost certainly accidental contact (both players were running at the goal at top speed, eyes on the ball not each other, when he clipped the Spanish player's heel) seems WAY overly harsh.  Since Chile, playing a man down from the 37th minute on, nevertheless outscored Spain 1-0 the rest of the game, who knows what might have happened if they were full strength?

Oh well, I'm not sure getting Brazil is that much worse than getting Portugal in the round of 16.  And Spain/Portugal and Brazil/Chile has a certain natural rivalry aspect that the reverse match-ups just don't have.

Noted.  However, the same Chilean player had earned a second yellow just a few minutes earlier, and it was inexplicably not given.  In my opinion, it was just his karma coming back to bite him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 05:59:25 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2010, 05:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 05:18:59 PM
IMO, Spain/Chile was yet another game whose outcome may have been affected by questionable officiating.  Giving a second yellow (hence a red) to the Chilean player for what was almost certainly accidental contact (both players were running at the goal at top speed, eyes on the ball not each other, when he clipped the Spanish player's heel) seems WAY overly harsh.  Since Chile, playing a man down from the 37th minute on, nevertheless outscored Spain 1-0 the rest of the game, who knows what might have happened if they were full strength?

Oh well, I'm not sure getting Brazil is that much worse than getting Portugal in the round of 16.  And Spain/Portugal and Brazil/Chile has a certain natural rivalry aspect that the reverse match-ups just don't have.

Noted.  However, the same Chilean player had earned a second yellow just a few minutes earlier, and it was inexplicably not given.  In my opinion, it was just his karma coming back to bite him.

I heard the common-taters ;) talking about that, but it happened before I turned on the match (had to take the dog to the dog park).  It did sound like Chile came out a bit chippy, but I missed most of the cards.

They both went thru anyway (boo! on the last 10-15 minutes of the game!).  Good luck (and good reffing!) to all from here on out (except opponents of the USA - may you hit nothing but crossbars, and get nothing but bad calls! ;D).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 06:06:04 PM
Switzerland has certainly mastered defense, but they HAVE to find an offense! :P  Maybe that comes with being a nation of burghers! ;D

Although I have nothing against Honduras, I was kinda rooting for Switzerland to win 1-0, which still would have knocked them out.  I'm guessing someone MUST have been sent home despite scoring 6 points in group, but I can't recall it - anyone know if it has ever happened?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 07:52:23 PM
Just stumbled upon another bit of trivia:

Shortest time leading in a game by a group winner:

Previous record - Netherlands, 21 minutes, 1994.

New record - USA, TWO minutes, 2010! ;D

Let's see someone beat that one! ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 25, 2010, 08:03:23 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 25, 2010, 09:11:18 AM
Last I heard, FIFA does not have to and will not make Coulibaly explain himself for what the call was.  And nor will FIFA release an explaination of just what the call was.  At least when Jim Joyce made his gaff in ruining that perfect game, he had the stones to come out and admit he got the call wrong and explain why he made the call he made.  Coulibaly and FIFA really made themselves look bad with their cowardly act of not even giving one explaination. 

I would hope that dude never officiates another high profile event outside of the African Cup of Nations ever again?!

As you said Mr. Y.  Thankfully it was a moot point.  But it took a wonder goal from Landon Donovan in stoppage time to make it a moot point.  I'm sure that Mr. Coulibaly breathed in a HUGE sigh of relief knowing that Landon Donovan basically took him off the hook with his goal that propelled the Americans through to the knockout round.

First of all FIFA doesn't care that they looked bad because they don't care what Americans think. Apparently the rest of the world accepts the fact that a referee can go to his grave without an explanation -- in FIFA's view, that's the beauty of soccer, if a mistake is made, at least allow an imperfect human to make it. Secondly, looking at some of the close-ups video of Mr. Coulibaly, are you able to tell if he is actually breathing in the first place? Thirdly, the "wonder goal" does nothing, IMO, to take him off the hook. But again Mr. Coulibaly doesn't really care -- his 50 grand fee for refereeing in the WC will make him forget about that. Do you know how far 50 big ones goes in Mali? Let's just say he moved into a new tax bracket!!  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2010, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 05:59:25 PM

I heard the common-taters ;) talking about that, but it happened before I turned on the match (had to take the dog to the dog park).  It did sound like Chile came out a bit chippy, but I missed most of the cards.

They both went thru anyway (boo! on the last 10-15 minutes of the game!). 

One of my friends in Chile, right after the sending off, said "Estrada (the player sent off), you can't play every ball to the limit."  I didn't think the Chileans were chippy, for the most part, but so assertive that they got themselves into trouble.  The yellow card to Ponce which will cause him to miss the Brazil match was a different story--a direct kick to Fernando Torres' shin that was reminiscent of the one that got David Beckham sent off in 1998.

During the last 10 minutes I predicted we'd be hearing calls for a shot clock!  No one loves the four-corner offense any more, huh?  At least the whole match wasn't played that way--far from it. 
Title: Re: Vuvuzela-Konzert
Post by: sac on June 25, 2010, 09:15:08 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 25, 2010, 01:23:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkhJKAkau2A&feature=player_embedded#!

No comment needed. :'(

I clicked this by accident thinking it was something else, fortunately my player crashed before it could start.  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 07:52:23 PM
Just stumbled upon another bit of trivia:

Shortest time leading in a game by a group winner:

Previous record - Netherlands, 21 minutes, 1994.

New record - USA, TWO minutes, 2010! ;D

Let's see someone beat that one! ::)

Of course, anyone with replay knows that the US also led Slovenia for the last 8-9 minutes of their tie (WIN), and also led Algeria for the last 75 minutes, but oh well.  Hopefully the US has already gotten the ridiculously bad calls out of their system! ;D

Time for simply 'normal' bad calls! :P

Time to focus on Ghana.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 25, 2010, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 09:57:25 PM
Hopefully the US has already gotten the ridiculously bad calls out of their system! ;D

I was thinking the same after the first one...but then there was another!!  ;) My current thinking is that the trifecta of ridiculously bad calls will finally go in the favor of the red, white and blue in the next game, providing the impetus for USA to advance into the next round...so, how's that sound?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2010, 11:04:35 PM
Works for me! :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2010, 12:56:24 AM
Quote from: BoBo on June 25, 2010, 08:03:23 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 25, 2010, 09:11:18 AM
Last I heard, FIFA does not have to and will not make Coulibaly explain himself for what the call was.  And nor will FIFA release an explaination of just what the call was.  At least when Jim Joyce made his gaff in ruining that perfect game, he had the stones to come out and admit he got the call wrong and explain why he made the call he made.  Coulibaly and FIFA really made themselves look bad with their cowardly act of not even giving one explaination. 

I would hope that dude never officiates another high profile event outside of the African Cup of Nations ever again?!

As you said Mr. Y.  Thankfully it was a moot point.  But it took a wonder goal from Landon Donovan in stoppage time to make it a moot point.  I'm sure that Mr. Coulibaly breathed in a HUGE sigh of relief knowing that Landon Donovan basically took him off the hook with his goal that propelled the Americans through to the knockout round.

First of all FIFA doesn't care that they looked bad because they don't care what Americans think. Apparently the rest of the world accepts the fact that a referee can go to his grave without an explanation -- in FIFA's view, that's the beauty of soccer, if a mistake is made, at least allow an imperfect human to make it. Secondly, looking at some of the close-ups video of Mr. Coulibaly, are you able to tell if he is actually breathing in the first place? Thirdly, the "wonder goal" does nothing, IMO, to take him off the hook. But again Mr. Coulibaly doesn't really care -- his 50 grand fee for refereeing in the WC will make him forget about that. Do you know how far 50 big ones goes in Mali? Let's just say he moved into a new tax bracket!!  ;)
How much will the corrupt Malian government skim off the top?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on June 26, 2010, 08:19:07 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2010, 12:56:24 AM
How much will the corrupt Malian government skim off the top?

That's the new tax bracket I was talking about!!  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2010, 11:57:24 AM
Just saw the end of Uruguay-South Korea--Uruguay's Suarez had one of the best goals of the tournament in the 79th minute in a miserable driving rain.  The winner of US-Ghana will face Uruguay, and they look tough.  But one step at a time--go US!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 26, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
That was a heckuva game (and heckuva goal by Suarez) this morning!

Is it a FIFA rule that USA has to start from behind EVERY game? :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2010, 03:51:42 PM
1-1 on Donovan's PK.

Is there anything more inane than soccer commentary?  I mean, there are some bad aspects of American football, basketball and baseball, but soccer seems to rub me the wrong way.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 26, 2010, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2010, 03:51:42 PM
1-1 on Donovan's PK.

Is there anything more inane than soccer commentary?  I mean, there are some bad aspects of American football, basketball and baseball, but soccer seems to rub me the wrong way.

I think there's a fair amount of inanity in almost all sports announcing.  I didn't find these guys offensive--Harkes is as good a color man as you will find in the US.  Last World Cup half the matches were done by Marcelo Balboa, a font of cliches and half-truths.

Too bad about the US today.  If only they could start games the way they start the second half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 12:25:50 AM
The last guests just left (who the hell would schedule a party during the WC where NONE of the guests gives a damn about the WC?!)  I guess it would be a woman who doesn't personally pay attention, and cares only because her husband and sons are soccer junkies!  At least my wife gave me no static about keeping people waiting an hour while I finished the game! ;D

VERY frustrating.  First half - US stunk.  Second half - US dominated.  OT - except for the first three minutes, very even.  WHY can the US not play well at the start of games (they gave up the two earliest goals [England and today] of the entire WC?  Landon Donovan cannot save your asses EVERY time!  (He's probably the best the US has ever produced, but he's not THAT good.)

Ricardo Clark should not be allowed within 100 yards of a WC pitch.  Why Bob Bradley started him is a total mystery, but I'm not entirely certain he should be fired for it.  Robbie Findley may someday be a striker, but his start today is a second mystery - he had shown essentially nothing during the Cup.

I think the US may be on their way to being second-echelon (lower top ten in the world), but they sure aren't there yet.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 27, 2010, 02:29:53 AM
Who says America doesn't care about soccer......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbn3rOPmR9w&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPWQjRwJrMU&feature=related
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 27, 2010, 10:06:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 12:25:50 AM

Ricardo Clark should not be allowed within 100 yards of a WC pitch.  Why Bob Bradley started him is a total mystery,but I'm not entirely certain he should be fired for it.  Robbie Findley may someday be a striker, but his start today is a second mystery - he had shown essentially nothing during the Cup.

I think the US may be on their way to being second-echelon (lower top ten in the world), but they sure aren't there yet.

IMO, Bob Bradley made questionable decision after questionable decision throughout this World Cup.  IMO, Bob Bradley was not the reason the US won their group.  

He continuously went with Findley except for the match he was suspended for.  I'm not certain what Findley showed but he sure didn't show me a whole heck of a lot.  And I totally agree with your puzzlement over why Ricardo Clark was starting that match yesterday???  He was dreadful vs. Slovenia.  So, somehow he is going to be effective vs. a faster Ghanaian side??  Not to mention Maurice Edu and Benny Feilhaber were clearly our best midfielders and yet Edu was the only one to start any of our matches?

You ask why it is that the US is always having trouble getting off to a fast start?  I would argue it is because Bob Bradley isn't putting his best 11 on the pitch to start matches.  I mean, Ricardo Clark's gaff almost directly led to Ghana's opening goal.  

IMO, the US won their group and advanced to the round of 16 despite Bob Bradley.  But I seriously doubt he's fired after such a favorable result in this World Cup.     

One thing for sure is that the US needs to develop a striker that can finish.  Charlie Davies absence was more costly than I thought as Bradley seemed to keep going to Findley hoping to duplicate what he would get from Davies and it never happened.

Well, I've already retired my US jersey in and I'll be sporting my England jersey now for hopefully longer than I got to sport my US jersey!  8-)

 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2010, 10:38:07 AM
Mixing metaphors, so to speak...

Podolski scores Germany's second goal with a shot thru the "five hole".


And by the time that I posted this, Podolski's Wikipedia page had been updated!  :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2010, 10:53:18 AM
ROTFLMAO...

The non-goal by England's Lampard in the 38th minute!  

The match is forever tainted!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2010, 10:56:59 AM
GOALLINE TECHNOLOGY!!  AAGH!

This match is rightfully 2-2, and if the English centerbacks had played for the first 30 minutes would be 2-0 England.  At least they know what they have to do--put it in the BACK of the net!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2010, 11:37:48 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2010, 10:56:59 AM
GOALLINE TECHNOLOGY!!  AAGH!

This match is rightfully 2-2, and if the English centerbacks had played for the first 30 minutes would be 2-0 England.  At least they know what they have to do--put it in the BACK of the net!
Turning into a blowout now...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 12:04:57 PM
I didn't turn on England/Germany until the 62nd minute; England down 2-1 but on relentless attack.  So I saw about 4 minutes of nail-biting soccer, 3 minutes of German blitzkrieg (two exceptional counter-attack goals virtually back-to-back), followed by 20+ minutes of mostly boredom, as Germany was mostly content to milk the clock.

Group D 2, Group C 0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2010, 12:11:51 PM
Commentary from the BBC:

Chris Waddle:  "Why don't the FA look at other countries and say 'how do they keep producing this talent?' Where is our Plan B? We haven't got one. The back four can't control the ball, can't pass, we lack so many ideas it's frustrating."

Lee Dixon:  "That was the worst team performance and the worst back-four performance I've seen."

Alan Hansen:  "I thought England were abysmal against Algeria and they were four levels below that today. Germany made England look like a very, very, very poor side."

Jonathan Stevenson:  "Eins, zwei, drei your eyes, that's that at the Free State Stadium. I know it hurts, but this is not an England team anyone should be crying over. Congratulations to Germany, they were magnificent."

That's that, then.  At least the ridiculous non-goal didn't change the outcome.  England had a chance to get back in it and started the second half just as flat as they did the first.  The defense--particularly the centerbacks--was indeed dreadful.  Rooney never showed up, and John Terry was just as negative on the pitch as he was off it.  Happy to see the last of him in an England uniform.  I think Capello will have some questions to answer about the lineups and the substitutions.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 27, 2010, 12:14:22 PM
England goal being denied, another example of how technology could have corrected another error by officials. Probably would not have made a difference other than England would have most likely come out with more confidence in 2nd half.

Germany's young team looked superb and will go far in this tourney.  Not sure if they can win it vs the likes of Brazil, Argentina, but could upset both!!!

Feel sorry for W. Rooney, however, when you are a star and play with a bunch of "stars", not everyone can be the star.

PS, English goal keeping was really suspect for them this year!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 04:39:17 PM
Yet another excellent game marred by the officiating - on Argentina's first goal, Tevez was clearly offside (by 6 or 7 feet; it was NOT even a close call).  Since they won by 2 (3-1) it could be argued that it didn't matter, but if Mexico had trailed the last 20 minutes by only one instead of two, who knows what might have happened.  Especially since Mexico could have scored a whole bunch of goals if they had ever caught a break (during one two minute stretch of the first half they banged one off the crossbar, one off the left post, and went wide of the right post by inches - and the keeper was well-beaten on all three).

And let there be no arguments that replay would slow down the game.  After Argentina's first goal, the ref and AR conferred for at least a couple of minutes while surrounded by players lobbying their cases.  But the conference was meaningless with no replay - a replay official could have corrected the call in about 10 seconds!

FIFA, if you refuse to join the 21st century, at least join the technology of 30 years ago! ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
Instant replay use began in the mid-1960's.

I believe that semaphore flags have been used in maritime applications since the 19th century.

:D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2010, 06:43:51 PM
In the summary wrap-up, Alexi Lalas was talking about what needed to be done by the coach in the future.

He made a comment about player preparation and the early goals that the US allowed.  He talked about the players being prepared by the coach to get ready for the game.  That makes absolutely no sense to me.

I am old school Tom Landry. It was Coach Landry's thought that a professional should get his/her head prepared. That is what it means to be professional.

Does a patient expect me to have my head "prepared" before I start the surgery?  The same goes for every other "profession".  The goals that we teach in athletics are those...preparation, teamwork, focus.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 27, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
The England result shows the US was in a mediocre group and has a LONG way to go.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2010, 06:43:51 PM
In the summary wrap-up, Alexi Lalas was talking about what needed to be done by the coach in the future.

He made a comment about player preparation and the early goals that the US allowed.  He talked about the players being prepared by the coach to get ready for the game.  That makes absolutely no sense to me.

I am old school Tom Landry. It was Coach Landry's thought that a professional should get his/her head prepared. That is what it means to be professional.

Does a patient expect me to have my head "prepared" before I start the surgery?  The same goes for every other "profession".  The goals that we teach in athletics are those...preparation, teamwork, focus.

The problem, IMO, was not the players not being ready, but that Bradley had the wrong players starting the game.  Using two of his three substitutions by halftime indicates Bradley belatedly realized that Clark and Findley should not have been starters (AND it meant he could no longer bring fresh legs to OT).  Dempsey was moved to striker later in ALL FOUR GAMES - does that not indicate that perhaps he should have started there?!  To me, the fact that the US was consistently better in the second half than the first was not a matter of great halftime adjustments or speeches, it was having the right players on the field. ::)

I think Bradley did an excellent job of ONE aspect of coaching - the team worked marvelously together as a unit, and had tremendous heart.  But I think he totally failed at another aspect of coaching - who should be on the field.  The former may be a harder task than overcoming the latter (e.g., Italy and France), so I lean towards retaining him, but I'm not strong either way.

The US has some excellent talent just reaching international status.  They should be stronger in 2014 than this year.  But it may be a long time before they have as clear a road to the semis as they had this year - next time they may have Brazil or Germany in the round of 16, or end up in a 'Group of Death' in the first place.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2010, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 27, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
The England result shows the US was in a mediocre group and has a LONG way to go.

Oh yes.  The same is and was true of England, although there has been more denial there.  They can't escape it now, with the aging of their team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 07:45:41 PM
Following up on my last post, most observers have said the greatest weakness of the US was at striker (no striker has scored in the WC since McBride in 2002).  The return of Charlie Davis, and the development of Altidore, Buddle, and Gomez (perhaps even Findley, and almost certainly someone we've yet to even imagine - can Freddy Adu make it back up to his press-clippings?), should alleviate that.  I think (hope?) that by 2014 the US will have 1 or more world-class strikers.

My hope is that Landon Donovan can still be world-class by that time - he deserves a shot at the whole thing!  What a heart!! :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 10:48:34 PM
Re: instant replay.

I have no desire to slow down the game.  Properly done, I see no reason instant replay would do so.  You have a 5th judge, with radio contact to the ref, who checks for obvious errors.  For most situations, if he doesn't say 'error' in 10 seconds, it is as called.  With goals or red cards, the celebrations/delays allow multiple replays!

I simply do not understand the objections.  Player errors - part of the game.  Coaching errors - part of the game.  Referee errors - should NOT be part of the game.  They are to be officiating - not part of the game.

This WC has simply had too many game-changing screw-ups - STOP IT!! >:(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2010, 10:54:44 PM
The Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289962/World-Cup-2010-20-000-England-fans-arrive-Germany-match.html) reports on the "non-goal".
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 28, 2010, 12:05:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 07:45:41 PM
Following up on my last post, most observers have said the greatest weakness of the US was at striker (no striker has scored in the WC since McBride in 2002).  The return of Charlie Davis, and the development of Altidore, Buddle, and Gomez (perhaps even Findley, and almost certainly someone we've yet to even imagine - can Freddy Adu make it back up to his press-clippings?), should alleviate that.  I think (hope?) that by 2014 the US will have 1 or more world-class strikers.

My hope is that Landon Donovan can still be world-class by that time - he deserves a shot at the whole thing!  What a heart!! :o

I am hopeful that Davies can return to the form he was showing before his accident and he will become a nice compliment to Jozy up front for years to come for the MNT.  And you also mentioned the development of Altidore.  He was the youngest striker in the World Cup this year so he is not even close to reaching his full potential IMO.  He should be real close to peak performance by the time 2014 roles around if he can stay healthy (knocking on wood).

As far as Buddle and Gomez are concerned, I'm not sure how much we can expect from them in 4 years.  They were both late bloomers as Buddle just turned 29 and Gomez just turned 28.  I was quite shocked when I heard their ages.  We shall see how they progress from here on out and if they can keep up the form they have displayed over the last year or so and carry that over as they push on for the next 4 years.

I think Donovan will still be playing a vital role for this team in 4 years.  He keeps himself so fit and he's still only 28.  Furthermore, over the last year or so you can just see the growth in his game.  His stint in the EPL helped him tremendously in building his confidence that he truly is a world-class player and he belonged on the pitch at Everton.  Hopefully he will get another shot at playing over in Europe and it would be even better if he got another shot at the EPL.  I really see no reason why he can't maintain this level for another 4 years but we shall see.


Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 07:26:20 PM
The US has some excellent talent just reaching international status.  They should be stronger in 2014 than this year.  But it may be a long time before they have as clear a road to the semis as they had this year - next time they may have Brazil or Germany in the round of 16, or end up in a 'Group of Death' in the first place.

I agree with you that this team should be stronger in 2014 than they were this year.  But your point about their path once they got to the knockout stage is spot on.  I told my wife that is the most frustrating part about their loss on Saturday and that is they may NEVER have and easier path to the semis than the one they were gifted for this World Cup!  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 28, 2010, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 10:48:34 PM
Re: instant replay.

I have no desire to slow down the game.  Properly done, I see no reason instant replay would do so.  You have a 5th judge, with radio contact to the ref, who checks for obvious errors.  For most situations, if he doesn't say 'error' in 10 seconds, it is as called.  With goals or red cards, the celebrations/delays allow multiple replays!
I simply do not understand the objections.  Player errors - part of the game.  Coaching errors - part of the game.  Referee errors - should NOT be part of the game.  They are to be officiating - not part of the game.

This WC has simply had too many game-changing screw-ups - STOP IT!! >:(

Totally agree.  The officials are already wearing freaking headsets.  What is so bad about putting a replay official in place and he can radio the head referee when he sees a replay that shows the call was clearly wrong on the field?!  My contention is that they should at the very least implement goal line technology, but it shouldn't stop there.  Offsides calls could be easily reversed as could handballs in the box as well. 

My biggest beef with FIFA is that they don't hold their officials accountable.  They do to an extent in that they review their performance and determine if they warrant officiating another high profile match.  But they don't hold them accountable by making them explain what they saw when they make a gaff of a call.  Using instant replay would hold them more accountable.  For example, when Coulibaly blew his whistle and disallowed what would have been the winning goal for the US, the replay official could have radioed down to the field and asked what Coulibaly's call was because from what they were watching, there was no visible foul or offsides or any call that could have gone against the Americans.  Coulibaly would have been forced to either tell us what he saw or admit is was a bad call and count the goal.

The problem I have is where do you draw the line.  I mean yesterday showed that replay clearly needs to be implemented for more than just the goal-line technology as Tevez's goal pointed out.  And knowing the incompetence that FIFA has shown throughout the years, are we to expect them to come up with a system that works without being too time consuming?  Hell, I will be surprised if FIFA does anything at all?!   ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 28, 2010, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 28, 2010, 12:20:56 PM

The problem I have is where do you draw the line.  I mean yesterday showed that replay clearly needs to be implemented for more than just the goal-line technology as Tevez's goal pointed out.  And knowing the incompetence that FIFA has shown throughout the years, are we to expect them to come up with a system that works without being too time consuming?  Hell, I will be surprised if FIFA does anything at all?!   ::)

Why, of course they're doing something!  They're censoring the replays in the stadium!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5335440/ce/us/fifa-censor-stadium-replays?cc=5901&ver=us

Seriously, it's a real problem, and "Where do you draw the line?" is a real issue.  I do understand the calls not to slow the game down, and reviewing the Tevez offside no-call--another howler--from yesterday would do that.  Putting a chip in the ball for goals wouldn't slow the game; they could at least go that far (or put extra officials on the end lines as UEFA did for the Europa Cup).  Clearly, this all needs to be addressed, as does holding the officials accountable.  And, to be fair, the good ones hold themselves accountable, as Graham Poll did after giving three yellow cards to one player before sending him off (even though the fourth official was equally culpable there).

One other type of call needs to be reviewed, as it is in the EPL:  red cards.  There has been entirely too much acting, diving, simulation, whatever in this World Cup.  It's always there to some extent, but there have been some ridiculous send-offs (Kaka's being the worst I can remember).  Incidental body contact, the other player falls down holding his face, and Kaka gets a second yellow and a match ban.  These could be reviewed after the matches and at least the ban for the following match might have a chance of being overturned.

I think it's not realistic to expect them to get all of these things exactly right at once...but FIFA needs to do something.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 28, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2010, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 27, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
The England result shows the US was in a mediocre group and has a LONG way to go.

Oh yes.  The same is and was true of England, although there has been more denial there.  They can't escape it now, with the aging of their team.
The "Group of Dirth". :'(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2010, 01:15:28 PM
Just when you think FIFA can't possibly sink any lower, they BAN replays rather than using them to correct obvious errors! :o  What a hopelessly corrupt organization. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 28, 2010, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 28, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2010, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 27, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
The England result shows the US was in a mediocre group and has a LONG way to go.

Oh yes.  The same is and was true of England, although there has been more denial there.  They can't escape it now, with the aging of their team.
The "Group of Dirth". :'(

LOVE IT!  :D

Sad that it's true, but it's good to have a laugh.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 28, 2010, 02:23:53 PM
Just learned that FIFA have a new regulation concerning the color of the shin guard straps, which has led to players coloring them with markers on the pitch.  Glad to know they are on top of what really matters <sarcasm switch off>.

I've been listening to a very interesting podcast from the Daily Mail (London).  It features Graham Poll, the three-yellow-card ref I've been talking about who has overcome the end of his reffing career to become an excellent commentator.  There's also a conversation with English and German commentators from South Africa.  The longest conversation was about what Germany is doing right that England isn't.  Evidently two years ago Mueller, one of the goal-scorers, was playing in the German third division in front of about 100 spectators.   German Premier teams are required to have 12 German players, and only a few like Bayern Munich really pay big bucks for foreign players.  The result?  20-year olds who are ready to play in the World Cup.  Interestingly, the word "denial" was used to describe the English Football Association (as I used it yesterday).  The US is mentioned (and in a positive light, compared to England).  Worth having a listen, if you have some time:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/index.html
The link is to the lower right on that web page.

The US has a different problem--getting players UP to the standards of the rest of the world.  Many of the starting eleven--Dempsey, Howard, Bocanegra, Altidore, and Donovan that I know of amongst current players, plus previous players like Reyna and McBride, have played in Europe.  I think they need to keep doing that, which obviously works against the needs of the English!  Right now it's looking like South America is the place for great soccer.  Speaking of which....almost time for Brazil-Chile.  Hope this one produces more goals  than cards.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 28, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
Hoosier.  I think it has to be noted also that the Germans must have one great sense of pride when they put on that German uniform.  Everyone and their mother was questioning Germany coming into this tournament for being too young and their best players being far from in top form.  Lukas Podolski had a pretty dreadful campaign for Köln.  Yet all he does is excel for Germany in international competitions.  He only scored 3 goals in 31 appearances for Köln this past season and he already has 2 goals (and he missed a PK that would have given him 3 goals) in four matches for Germany in this World Cup. 

And then there is Miroslav Klose.  All he does is score goals at the World Cup?!  He tied Pelé for World Cup goals with 12 yesterday vs. England and he also has 2 goals in this WC campaign after he too had a dreadful club season scoring only 6 goals in 38 appearances for Bayern Munich?!

I don't know what it is about putting on those German unis, but it sure seems to take the German players to another level.  Too bad the Three Lions jerseys don't do the same for the English players...  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 28, 2010, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2010, 07:26:20 PM
I think Bradley did an excellent job of ONE aspect of coaching - the team worked marvelously together as a unit, and had tremendous heart.  But I think he totally failed at another aspect of coaching - who should be on the field.  The former may be a harder task than overcoming the latter (e.g., Italy and France), so I lean towards retaining him, but I'm not strong either way.

Apparently, U.S. Soccer Federation president Sunil Gulati isn't too happy with the early exit by the US as this article suggests:

What Is The Future For USA Soccer? (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5335896/ce/us/us-soccer-president-sunil-gulati-says-team-failed-expectations?cc=5901&ver=us)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2010, 06:41:49 PM
Amazing - no major officiating debacles today! ::)

Scoring is way up in the round of 16 - 4 games with 3 goals, 1 with 4, and 1 with 5.  I haven't checked it out, but that seems unusual to me - isn't scoring typically higher in group play (with some total mismatches, and teams concerned with goal differential) than in the knock-out rounds?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2010, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 28, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2010, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 27, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
The England result shows the US was in a mediocre group and has a LONG way to go.

Oh yes.  The same is and was true of England, although there has been more denial there.  They can't escape it now, with the aging of their team.
The "Group of Dirth". :'(

Arguably an even better joke if you had correctly spelled "Group of Dearth"! :D

Since I think the US is rapidly improving, and will be stronger in 2014, here's hoping for a draw then anywhere close to this year. ;D  Please save Brazil, Germany, etc., for at least the quarters!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 28, 2010, 08:02:43 PM
The cream is rising to the top.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 28, 2010, 08:18:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2010, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 28, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 27, 2010, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 27, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
The England result shows the US was in a mediocre group and has a LONG way to go.

Oh yes.  The same is and was true of England, although there has been more denial there.  They can't escape it now, with the aging of their team.
The "Group of Dirth". :'(

Arguably an even better joke if you had correctly spelled "Group of Dearth"! :D

Since I think the US is rapidly improving, and will be stronger in 2014, here's hoping for a draw then anywhere close to this year. ;D  Please save Brazil, Germany, etc., for at least the quarters!
My computer has spell check.  This one doesn't.  Thanks. +k. :-[
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2010, 10:08:11 PM
I, too, was astounded to see the ages of Edson Buddle and Hercules Gomez, since they so suddenly exploded on the scene.  At 33 and 32 in 2014, they should not totally be counted out.  And Clint Dempsey will only be 31.

Out of those three, plus Charlie Davies (then 28), Jozy Altidore, Robbie Findley, Freddie Adu (and a player [or players] to be named later - then all under 26), I am cautiously optimistic that we will have a world-class striker (or two) in 2014.  I have no clue who it will be - but hopeful he (or they) will emerge! ;D

Personally, my bet is on both Dempsey (or Davies) and Altidore.  Jozy missed a goal against England on a save every bit as good as the whiff on Dempsey was bad.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 29, 2010, 07:42:44 AM
I guess my spellchecker was off too!  Thanks both for a chuckle.

Is this progress on the technology front?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/29/world-cup-2010-sepp-blatter-technology

I like the statement that bad calls are not the end of competition.  They can be for the side that loses!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 29, 2010, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2010, 10:08:11 PM
I, too, was astounded to see the ages of Edson Buddle and Hercules Gomez, since they so suddenly exploded on the scene.  At 33 and 32 in 2014, they should not totally be counted out.  And Clint Dempsey will only be 31.

Out of those three, plus Charlie Davies (then 28), Jozy Altidore, Robbie Findley, Freddie Adu (and a player [or players] to be named later - then all under 26), I am cautiously optimistic that we will have a world-class striker (or two) in 2014.  I have no clue who it will be - but hopeful he (or they) will emerge! ;D

Personally, my bet is on both Dempsey (or Davies) and Altidore.  Jozy missed a goal against England on a save every bit as good as the whiff on Dempsey was bad.

Do we still hold out hope that Freddy Adu can ever live up to even a portion of the hype that was being lauded over him as a youth?  ::)  I have pretty much counted him out long ago...  :-\

Personally, I'm hoping for another Jozy Altidore to come along.   

As for the player or players to be named later, I haven't been really following the U21's but that is where Altidore was excelling in '06 during the last WC.  Maybe I'll have to do some digging to see if there are any up and comers ready to be the next Jozy Altidore!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on June 29, 2010, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2010, 10:08:11 PM
I, too, was astounded to see the ages of Edson Buddle and Hercules Gomez, since they so suddenly exploded on the scene.  At 33 and 32 in 2014, they should not totally be counted out.  And Clint Dempsey will only be 31.

Out of those three, plus Charlie Davies (then 28), Jozy Altidore, Robbie Findley, Freddie Adu (and a player [or players] to be named later - then all under 26), I am cautiously optimistic that we will have a world-class striker (or two) in 2014.  I have no clue who it will be - but hopeful he (or they) will emerge! ;D

Personally, my bet is on both Dempsey (or Davies) and Altidore.  Jozy missed a goal against England on a save every bit as good as the whiff on Dempsey was bad.

Do we still hold out hope that Freddy Adu can ever live up to even a portion of the hype that was being lauded over him as a youth?  ::)  I have pretty much counted him out long ago...  :-\

Personally, I'm hoping for another Jozy Altidore to come along.   

As for the player or players to be named later, I haven't been really following the U21's but that is where Altidore was excelling in '06 during the last WC.  Maybe I'll have to do some digging to see if there are any up and comers ready to be the next Jozy Altidore!

While I no longer have expectations for Adu, I still have hope.  He's still years younger than Buddle or Gomez who only recently emerged.  While I can't offhand recall any phenom (in any sport) who flopped then re-emerged, he certainly seems to have the body-type and skills to do so if he has the will.  I suspect his mind may have gotten messed up up with the hype, and he doesn't seem to get into the right settings, but I haven't abandoned hope - just expectations.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2010, 06:41:49 PM
Amazing - no major officiating debacles today! ::)

Scoring is way up in the round of 16 - 4 games with 3 goals, 1 with 4, and 1 with 5.  I haven't checked it out, but that seems unusual to me - isn't scoring typically higher in group play (with some total mismatches, and teams concerned with goal differential) than in the knock-out rounds?

I seem to have been premature, as today's two games yielded one goal, total!  But another day with no major officiating gaffes! :o  And FIFA has now put replay back into discussion.  I doubt they'll do it, once the uproar subsides, but who knows?  With Blattner apologizing to both England (could be just goal-line technology) AND Mexico (which could only be corrected by replay [or better refs!]), anything is possible.

Seven group winners are in the final eight.  The exception, alas, is the US. :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2010, 08:20:01 PM
Two more notes.

Towards the end of Spain/Portugal something happened to warm my heart.  Christian Ronaldo WAS clearly fouled, but paid the price for being such a flopper - no call. :D

One possible gaffe in officiating (though so late, it probably made no difference in the outcome) - the red card to Portugal appeared on replays to be unwarranted, but in the 89th minute they were probably not coming back anyway.  Overall I think the officiating in Spain/Portugal may have been the best I've seen all WC - I especially liked the way he intervened every time players seemed about to go at it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 29, 2010, 08:50:24 PM
Is there a championship trophy for the Iberian peninsula?   :)   ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 29, 2010, 10:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2010, 10:53:18 AM
ROTFLMAO...

The non-goal by England's Lampard in the 38th minute!  

The match is forever tainted!
I thought I remembered a real non-goal between Engalnd and Germany...in the 1966 Finals.

Youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE-wKAooU20&NR=1) from the 1966 BBC broadcast, including an instant replay.   ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 29, 2010, 10:49:56 PM
Freddie Adu just turned 21.......his main problem is, he doesn't play wherever he goes.

Officially he's played in 32 first team matches since leaving Real Salt Lake 3 years ago.  He's still a product of Benfica, but has been loaned out to Monaco, Belenenses, and Aris Thesalonika.

This compares to the 98 matches he logged in the MLS over 4 seasons.


Freddie needs to come home maybe.  He needs to break out in the next couple of years to have any shot at making the 2014 squad.   But he's of the age you'd expect him to be apart of the next two world cups.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2010, 11:18:24 PM
Quote from: sac on June 29, 2010, 10:49:56 PM
Freddie Adu just turned 21.......his main problem is, he doesn't play wherever he goes.

Officially he's played in 32 first team matches since leaving Real Salt Lake 3 years ago.  He's still a product of Benfica, but has been loaned out to Monaco, Belenenses, and Aris Thesalonika.

This compares to the 98 matches he logged in the MLS over 4 seasons.


Freddie needs to come home maybe.  He needs to break out in the next couple of years to have any shot at making the 2014 squad.   But he's of the age you'd expect him to be apart of the next two world cups.

Agreed.  He's obviously been the wrong places (for him).  Whether or not that is the wrong places or the wrong player, I don't know.  But he is still young enough to maintain hope, if not expectation.

Can anyone recall a phenom (in any sport) who has flamed out, then resurrected into a great player?  I can't - but perhaps Adu can still break the streak?  (Nearly all streaks end sometime.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 30, 2010, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2010, 08:20:01 PM
Two more notes.

Towards the end of Spain/Portugal something happened to warm my heart.  Christian Ronaldo WAS clearly fouled, but paid the price for being such a flopper - no call. :D

One possible gaffe in officiating (though so late, it probably made no difference in the outcome) - the red card to Portugal appeared on replays to be unwarranted, but in the 89th minute they were probably not coming back anyway.  Overall I think the officiating in Spain/Portugal may have been the best I've seen all WC - I especially liked the way he intervened every time players seemed about to go at it.

Right about CR.  He spent most of the match waiting to get the ball, firing off long shots, and sitting on the ground and failing to track back after losing posession.  He's spent too much time reading his own press clippings.  I loved the commentator's remark, a few minutes from time, when Ronaldo made a cute little backpass that went nowhere, "Very impressive, but perhaps not what is really needed at this moment." 

I'm not convinced we saw the actual foul in the replays.  The Spanish player--was it Capdevila?--had clearly taken a strong shot to the side of the head.  He wasn't faking.  And Costa had been asking for a card all game.  Karma again.

Question for the non-convinced about soccer who watched Spain-Portugal:  was the game boring or intriguing?  For me, it was the equivalent of a pitchers' duel.  As a total Spain partisan I can't say it was exactly "fun", but I appreciated the sparring (and, of course, seeing the better side win).  I've been told that Paraguay looked dreadful and that Spain will have their way with them.  Having watched the US, England, and Chile all go down, I'd like to see the last of my teams have a good game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 30, 2010, 08:20:01 PM
I watched the entire second half of the Spain/Portugal match and found it enthralling.  I missed Paraguay/South Korea but read that it was dreadfully boring.  Low scoring games can be either horrible or fascinating - it's not the scoring, per se! ;)

On the other hand, I'm not 'unconvinced about soccer' - I'm going through withdrawal pains until Friday! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 30, 2010, 08:28:00 PM
Yeah, this should really help Nigeria!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/30/nigeria-world-cup-team-su_n_630743.html

With support like this, the Super Eagles don't need enemies.  Unless this is overturned, they will miss the next Africa Cup and risk a ban by FIFA.  Of course, Nigeria IS one of the more corrupt governments on earth, so no big surprise.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 01, 2010, 03:26:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2010, 11:18:24 PM
Quote from: sac on June 29, 2010, 10:49:56 PM
Freddie Adu just turned 21.......his main problem is, he doesn't play wherever he goes.

Officially he's played in 32 first team matches since leaving Real Salt Lake 3 years ago.  He's still a product of Benfica, but has been loaned out to Monaco, Belenenses, and Aris Thesalonika.

This compares to the 98 matches he logged in the MLS over 4 seasons.


Freddie needs to come home maybe.  He needs to break out in the next couple of years to have any shot at making the 2014 squad.   But he's of the age you'd expect him to be apart of the next two world cups.

Agreed.  He's obviously been the wrong places (for him).  Whether or not that is the wrong places or the wrong player, I don't know.  But he is still young enough to maintain hope, if not expectation.

Can anyone recall a phenom (in any sport) who has flamed out, then resurrected into a great player?  I can't - but perhaps Adu can still break the streak?  (Nearly all streaks end sometime.)

Not soccer, but Jennifer Capriati maybe
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 12:20:45 PM
A very exciting game to open the quarters, with Netherlands knocking out Brazil, 2-1.  Brazil opened the scoring early as the Dutch defense fell asleep, allowing Robinho to get a long entry pass right up the middle and beat the keeper one-on-one.  The equalizer for Holland was officially scored an own-goal, as Melo got in Cesar's way, allowing a long shot the keeper would almost certainly have stopped to go in.  The Netherlands went ahead on a very nice, but kinda flukey goal - on a corner kick a Dutch player slightly deflected the ball, which went straight to Sneijder for an easy header into an empty part of the net.  If Melo had not already done enough damage, he got an extremely stupid red card with about 20 minutes left (after tripping a Dutch player, he then deliberately stomped on his thigh), making a Brazillian comeback that much harder.

Overall, I thought Brazil played the better game (they had far more near-scores), but a combination of bad breaks and Melo's stupidity sends them home much earlier than they would have wished.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on July 02, 2010, 12:34:35 PM
Stunning defeat for the Brazilians...the Orange are not nearly as flashy as the guys from South America, but they are very solid. I'm not surprised they took this one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 02, 2010, 05:21:22 PM
.....that was cruel.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Who says cheaters never win?! :o ;D  Win no time remaining in OT, Luis Suarez hand-balled away a sure game winner by Ghana, Gyan missed the PK (hitting the crossbar), then Uruguay won in PKs 4-2.  Poor Suarez really fell on his sword for the team, since he will now miss their semi against The Netherlands.

The first 45 minutes were as good a game as any in the WC, with Uruguay dominating for the first 25+ (but, despite several excellent chances, unable to score), then Ghana nearly scored on two counter-attacks a minute apart, and dominated the rest of the half, finally taking the lead with so little time in stoppage time that the ref didn't even restart the game afterward.  The next 65 minutes were kind of a snooze-fest (despite Uruguay getting the equalizer) with both teams together having fewer good chances than either had in the first half.  The final ten minutes made up for it, with both sides having excellent chances, culminating in the furious charge by Ghana at the very end (Suarez's handball was on the third shot on goal in a matter of seconds).

I wouldn't have thought Uruguay had much of a chance against the Dutch anyway, but without Suarez their chances look very bleak.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
After seeing more replays of the Dutch goals, some modification of my earlier post.  Melo did indeed have a genuine own goal - it he was not there, the keeper had a fairly easy save, but Melo didn't just get in his way, he did deflect the ball past Cesar.  And the second goal was even flukier than I thought: the first Dutch player simply didn't get high enough on his attempted header, the ball glanced off the top of his head just enough to float over the Brazilian defenders and come down right to Sneijder!  Full credit to Sneijder though - that's some good reflexes!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
After seeing more replays of the Dutch goals, some modification of my earlier post.  Melo did indeed have a genuine own goal - it he was not there, the keeper had a fairly easy save, but Melo didn't just get in his way, he did deflect the ball past Cesar.  And the second goal was even flukier than I thought: the first Dutch player simply didn't get high enough on his attempted header, the ball glanced off the top of his head just enough to float over the Brazilian defenders and come down right to Sneijder!  Full credit to Sneijder though - that's some good reflexes!
Or, the deflection centered the ball onto Sneijder's head perfectly for him to connect on the header.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
After seeing more replays of the Dutch goals, some modification of my earlier post.  Melo did indeed have a genuine own goal - it he was not there, the keeper had a fairly easy save, but Melo didn't just get in his way, he did deflect the ball past Cesar.  And the second goal was even flukier than I thought: the first Dutch player simply didn't get high enough on his attempted header, the ball glanced off the top of his head just enough to float over the Brazilian defenders and come down right to Sneijder!  Full credit to Sneijder though - that's some good reflexes!
Or, the deflection centered the ball onto Sneijder's head perfectly for him to connect on the header.

Maybe, but I'm not sure ANYONE is THAT good!  Serendipity seems more plausible to me. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: dlippiel on July 02, 2010, 07:43:11 PM
Quote from: BoBo on July 02, 2010, 12:34:35 PM
Stunning defeat for the Brazilians...the Orange are not nearly as flashy as the guys from South America, but they are very solid. I'm not surprised they took this one.

dlip was very happy to see the Dutch come away victorious! dlip has a ton of respect for Brazil but like MUC he enjoys when they are defeated by an underdog (granted #4 defeating #1 isn't a world shake-up but still beating Brazil is an accomplishment)!

By the way, an amazing conclusion to the Ghana/Ura game! dlip was never much of a soccer/futbol fan before he watched his first World CUp years ago. There is definitely something to say for this tournament and the level of play we are seeing! dlip loves every minute of it!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: dlippiel on July 02, 2010, 07:43:40 PM
+k Ypsi for the invite  :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
After seeing more replays of the Dutch goals, some modification of my earlier post.  Melo did indeed have a genuine own goal - it he was not there, the keeper had a fairly easy save, but Melo didn't just get in his way, he did deflect the ball past Cesar.  And the second goal was even flukier than I thought: the first Dutch player simply didn't get high enough on his attempted header, the ball glanced off the top of his head just enough to float over the Brazilian defenders and come down right to Sneijder!  Full credit to Sneijder though - that's some good reflexes!
Or, the deflection centered the ball onto Sneijder's head perfectly for him to connect on the header.

Maybe, but I'm not sure ANYONE is THAT good!  Serendipity seems more plausible to me. ;)
Yes, the soccer gods must have favored the Orange today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
After seeing more replays of the Dutch goals, some modification of my earlier post.  Melo did indeed have a genuine own goal - it he was not there, the keeper had a fairly easy save, but Melo didn't just get in his way, he did deflect the ball past Cesar.  And the second goal was even flukier than I thought: the first Dutch player simply didn't get high enough on his attempted header, the ball glanced off the top of his head just enough to float over the Brazilian defenders and come down right to Sneijder!  Full credit to Sneijder though - that's some good reflexes!
Or, the deflection centered the ball onto Sneijder's head perfectly for him to connect on the header.

Maybe, but I'm not sure ANYONE is THAT good!  Serendipity seems more plausible to me. ;)
Yes, the soccer gods must have favored the Orange today.

Now I'm no longer sure which interpretation is correct.  I've seen a couple of soccer writers saying teams practice a set piece of a near-post attacker 'black-flicking' the ball to a teammate who's away from the keeper (though one also said he had never seen it actually work in a big game).  I'll keep looking for a replay from a better angle than I've seen (where you really can't see anything but the top of Huyk's head).  At this point it could be either a gift from the soccer gods, or arguably the best assist of the WC (or maybe both)! :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
After seeing more replays of the Dutch goals, some modification of my earlier post.  Melo did indeed have a genuine own goal - it he was not there, the keeper had a fairly easy save, but Melo didn't just get in his way, he did deflect the ball past Cesar.  And the second goal was even flukier than I thought: the first Dutch player simply didn't get high enough on his attempted header, the ball glanced off the top of his head just enough to float over the Brazilian defenders and come down right to Sneijder!  Full credit to Sneijder though - that's some good reflexes!
Or, the deflection centered the ball onto Sneijder's head perfectly for him to connect on the header.

Maybe, but I'm not sure ANYONE is THAT good!  Serendipity seems more plausible to me. ;)
Yes, the soccer gods must have favored the Orange today.

Now I'm no longer sure which interpretation is correct.  I've seen a couple of soccer writers saying teams practice a set piece of a near-post attacker 'black-flicking' the ball to a teammate who's away from the keeper (though one also said he had never seen it actually work in a big game).  I'll keep looking for a replay from a better angle than I've seen (where you really can't see anything but the top of Huyk's head).  At this point it could be either a gift from the soccer gods, or arguably the best assist of the WC (or maybe both)! :D
I wonder how it will be recounted at a fortieth reunion of the 2010 team!

Yes, that corner was coming into the goal area with too low a trajectory to escape the traffic.  The header attempt by Ghana late in the game was off because the player lost his orientation relative to the near post.  When he headed the ball, he had run beyond the near post and the goal was now behind him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 02, 2010, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
After seeing more replays of the Dutch goals, some modification of my earlier post.  Melo did indeed have a genuine own goal - it he was not there, the keeper had a fairly easy save, but Melo didn't just get in his way, he did deflect the ball past Cesar.  And the second goal was even flukier than I thought: the first Dutch player simply didn't get high enough on his attempted header, the ball glanced off the top of his head just enough to float over the Brazilian defenders and come down right to Sneijder!  Full credit to Sneijder though - that's some good reflexes!

I have to disagree with you, Mr. Ypsi.  I didn't see the second Dutch goal live, but I've seen Dirk Kuyt--the player who headed it in--enough to know that was entirely intentional.  It was no fluke, IMO.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 02, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
Just saw your later post--my vote is for best assist in the World Cup :).  Kuyt is a striker by nature but he's been playing on the wing in Liverpool for the last three years now.  He does things like this, although the finish is not always there.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 02, 2010, 09:44:33 PM
Looks like it's "Wind up Spain" time for Maradona:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5350614/ce/us/maradona-horrible-referee-helped-spain-wcup?cc=5901&ver=us

Interesting that he doesn't mention the Tevez-was-two-yards-offside call.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 02, 2010, 09:44:33 PM
Looks like it's "Wind up Spain" time for Maradona:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5350614/ce/us/maradona-horrible-referee-helped-spain-wcup?cc=5901&ver=us

Interesting that he doesn't mention the Tevez-was-two-yards-offside call.

He's Maradona - you expected that he would?! :o ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 02, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
Just saw your later post--my vote is for best assist in the World Cup :).  Kuyt is a striker by nature but he's been playing on the wing in Liverpool for the last three years now.  He does things like this, although the finish is not always there.

Since I still haven't found a replay (or even still photo) that shows more than just Huyk's head (otherwise completely blocked from view by defenders), I yield to a fellow Titan (and Liverpool rooter) and accept that he did intentionally flick it on.  Can we compromise that it was still a bit of a 'fluke' that it actually worked?! ;D  To get it up enough to clear two or three defenders, but descend exactly to where Sneijder needed it, is amazing! :o ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 10:11:32 PM
OK, finally found the replay I sought.  Hoosier Titan is quite correct - from this angle I could clearly see the head flick.  Amazing assist!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 10:11:32 PM
OK, finally found the replay I sought.  Hoosier Titan is quite correct - from this angle I could clearly see the head flick.  Amazing assist!
Luck -- when preparation and hard work meet opportunity.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 12:32:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2010, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 02, 2010, 10:11:32 PM
OK, finally found the replay I sought.  Hoosier Titan is quite correct - from this angle I could clearly see the head flick.  Amazing assist!
Luck -- when preparation and hard work meet opportunity.

AND blessing from the soccer gods - don't forget them! ;)

If that exact situation were replayed 100 times, I'd bet on at most one more goal (at least such an 'easy' goal - maybe 6-7 rebound/chaos goals).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 12:43:17 AM
And this bonus report from the WC - according to a Johannesburg radio station (as reported in the Boston Globe) Paris Hilton was detained leaving the Mandela Bay Stadium (Netherlands/Brazil) for possession of marijuana.  Is Robben's Island still in operation? :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2010, 08:45:04 AM
Well, most things in soccer don't work.  If the ball changed "hands" (so to speak) in basketball as often as it does in soccer turnover stats would look a lot different.  There's always some luck involved.  Given their size advantage, the Brazilians should have been able to clear the pass or block the shot cleanly, but both were superb efforts and a bit lucky too.  The Brazilian Melo made his own bad luck.

Hard work and intelligence define Dirk Kuyt.  He's often overlooked amongst the quality Liverpool players, quite wrongly IMO.

I'm hoping for a good match this morning between Germany and Argentina and a strong performance by Spain against Switzerland.  And lest the Spaniards get too cocky, I will say one word:  Switzerland!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 11:53:49 AM
WOW!!  Germany destroyed Argentina, 4-0.  I just can't see anyone beating Germany at this point.  (The only hope for Spain,assuming they beat Paraguay, may be that the officials got involved again - giving a VERY dubious yellow to Mueller, which will keep him out of the semi.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 03, 2010, 12:16:34 PM
The announcers did a lot of talking, but assumed we know all the background info.  For example, why was the Frederick guy's goal so special beyond the fact that it was his first?  They also assumed we all know the politics of each country's team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 03, 2010, 12:16:34 PM
The announcers did a lot of talking, but assumed we know all the background info.  For example, why was the Frederick guy's goal so special beyond the fact that it was his first?  They also assumed we all know the politics of each country's team.

They lost me on some of the political stuff, also.  As to Friedrich, if I heard them correctly, he is a defender in something like his 73rd international match, but it was his first goal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 03, 2010, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2010, 08:45:04 AM
I'm hoping for a good match this morning between Germany and Argentina and a strong performance by Spain against Switzerland.  And lest the Spaniards get too cocky, I will say one word:  Switzerland!

I think Switzerland would be very happy if they were actually playing today.  ;D ::) :P :D ;) :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
Paraguay has certainly shown in the first half why opponents have scored only one goal in four-and-a-half games!  Their defense is virtually impenetrable.

They have also shown why David Villa alone has scored more goals than Paraguay's entire team! ;)

Paraguay has worked so frantically on defense, I'd think they HAVE to wear down a bit later in the second half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: pg04 on July 03, 2010, 03:54:10 PM
Three PKs in a row... Interesting.  And they showed that the Paraguay PK should have been taken again as there were 3 spaniards in the box. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: dlippiel on July 03, 2010, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: pg04 on July 03, 2010, 03:54:10 PM
Three PKs in a row... Interesting.  And they showed that the Paraguay PK should have been taken again as there were 3 spaniards in the box. 

Just another amazing game.dlip can't get over this, how exciting!!! Spain on top 1-0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 03, 2010, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
Paraguay has certainly shown in the first half why opponents have scored only one goal in four-and-a-half games!  Their defense is virtually impenetrable.

They have also shown why David Villa alone has scored more goals than Paraguay's entire team!
;)

Paraguay has worked so frantically on defense, I'd think they HAVE to wear down a bit later in the second half.
Bouncing it off both posts!?!

That is quite a goal!

With 5 minutes left it looks like David Villa goes against the German Goliath!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: dlippiel on July 03, 2010, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 11:53:49 AM
WOW!!  Germany destroyed Argentina, 4-0.  I just can't see anyone beating Germany at this point.  (The only hope for Spain,assuming they beat Paraguay, may be that the officials got involved again - giving a VERY dubious yellow to Mueller, which will keep him out of the semi.)

Maybe next time Mardona will keep his mouth shut regarding his opponents so-called "luck" referring to his reference that the Germans had been lucky and getting all the calls throughout the tourney thus far. Germany homogenized Argentina today and clearly belonged...much more so than Argentina and their infamous coach if you ask dlip.

*Spanish netminder just made an incredible save!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 04:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 03, 2010, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
Paraguay has certainly shown in the first half why opponents have scored only one goal in four-and-a-half games!  Their defense is virtually impenetrable.

They have also shown why David Villa alone has scored more goals than Paraguay's entire team!
;)

Paraguay has worked so frantically on defense, I'd think they HAVE to wear down a bit later in the second half.
Bouncing it off both posts!?!

That is quite a goal!

With 5 minutes left it looks like David Villa goes against the German Goliath!

Yeah, I'd like to see Kobe bounce one off both backboards!  (And they're much bigger than the posts, though a bit farther apart as well. ;))

Paraguay got a break on the PKs.  The foul on Villa should have been a red card, not yellow, as he was one-on-one with the keeper when shoved down from behind (and with Villa in that situation you can just about count the goal before he even kicks).  Then on the rebound of the PK Paraguay's keeper blocked, the keeper grabbed the leg of a guy about to kick in the rebound - another red card offense that the refs completely missed.

I think Spain finally scored at least partly because of what I predicted at halftime - tired Paraguayan defenders.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2010, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 04:40:31 PM

Paraguay got a break on the PKs.  The foul on Villa should have been a red card, not yellow, as he was one-on-one with the keeper when shoved down from behind (and with Villa in that situation you can just about count the goal before he even kicks).  Then on the rebound of the PK Paraguay's keeper blocked, the keeper grabbed the leg of a guy about to kick in the rebound - another red card offense that the refs completely missed.

I think Spain finally scored at least partly because of what I predicted at halftime - tired Paraguayan defenders.

Absolutely right.  Even the PK they got was a little soft in comparison with the really obvious one that was called when Villa went down (and that should indeed have been a red), and then the upending of Fabregas by the keeper on the play after the save.  Paraguay defended bravely, but the outcome was as it deserved to be. 

I do have some sympathy for the ref in that situation--make that "those situations"!  Rarely do they come quite that fast and furious.

Iker Casillas proved his world-class status amongst goalkeepers in the last few minutes. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 06:35:15 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 03, 2010, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 03, 2010, 04:40:31 PM

Paraguay got a break on the PKs.  The foul on Villa should have been a red card, not yellow, as he was one-on-one with the keeper when shoved down from behind (and with Villa in that situation you can just about count the goal before he even kicks).  Then on the rebound of the PK Paraguay's keeper blocked, the keeper grabbed the leg of a guy about to kick in the rebound - another red card offense that the refs completely missed.

I think Spain finally scored at least partly because of what I predicted at halftime - tired Paraguayan defenders.

Absolutely right.  Even the PK they got was a little soft in comparison with the really obvious one that was called when Villa went down (and that should indeed have been a red), and then the upending of Fabregas by the keeper on the play after the save.  Paraguay defended bravely, but the outcome was as it deserved to be. 

I do have some sympathy for the ref in that situation--make that "those situations"!  Rarely do they come quite that fast and furious.

Iker Casillas proved his world-class status amongst goalkeepers in the last few minutes. 

As do I, but that is why there are also the ARs.  I could understand the ref being blocked from the play, but that is a key part of the AR's job.  (Whether or not the ref is one of those all too frequent types who will not take his 'linesman's' word for it, I have no idea.  But I saw no flag from the AR in any event.)

And fully agree on Casillas - he was magnificent.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 04, 2010, 11:41:03 AM
I don't know whether anyone here was thinking that the US would be better at soccer if only the best athletes played it (or continued playing it after childhood), but here's a good piece on why that's not the problem.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5352349/ce/us/lebron-not-save-us-soccer?cc=5901&ver=us

It's certainly true that the best US players either play now or have played abroad, primarily in England, but also in Germany (Bradley).  There's just a world of difference in the game between the MLS and the best European leagues.  To be blunt, I always doubted whether Landon Donovan could make it in the EPL, and I was absolutely delighted to be shown I was wrong in those doubts.  I understand that Everton are desperate to have him back and I imagine some other sides would be as well.

Anyone else in withdrawal this morning?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: dlippiel on July 04, 2010, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 04, 2010, 11:41:03 AM
I don't know whether anyone here was thinking that the US would be better at soccer if only the best athletes played it (or continued playing it after childhood), but here's a good piece on why that's not the problem.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5352349/ce/us/lebron-not-save-us-soccer?cc=5901&ver=us

It's certainly true that the best US players either play now or have played abroad, primarily in England, but also in Germany (Bradley).  There's just a world of difference in the game between the MLS and the best European leagues.  To be blunt, I always doubted whether Landon Donovan could make it in the EPL, and I was absolutely delighted to be shown I was wrong in those doubts.  I understand that Everton are desperate to have him back and I imagine some other sides would be as well.

Anyone else in withdrawal this morning?

Funny, dlip knows the semi's aren't until Tuesday but for some reason or another he kept flipping back and forth between ESPN and ABC just hoping magically a game would appear! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 04, 2010, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: dlip on July 04, 2010, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 04, 2010, 11:41:03 AM
I don't know whether anyone here was thinking that the US would be better at soccer if only the best athletes played it (or continued playing it after childhood), but here's a good piece on why that's not the problem.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5352349/ce/us/lebron-not-save-us-soccer?cc=5901&ver=us

It's certainly true that the best US players either play now or have played abroad, primarily in England, but also in Germany (Bradley).  There's just a world of difference in the game between the MLS and the best European leagues.  To be blunt, I always doubted whether Landon Donovan could make it in the EPL, and I was absolutely delighted to be shown I was wrong in those doubts.  I understand that Everton are desperate to have him back and I imagine some other sides would be as well.

Anyone else in withdrawal this morning?

Funny, dlip knows the semi's aren't until Tuesday but for some reason or another he kept flipping back and forth between ESPN and ABC just hoping magically a game would appear! ;)

"I feel your pain". :(

But 2:30 EDT games four of the next seven days.  Then comes the REAL withdrawal! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 05, 2010, 11:09:07 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 04, 2010, 11:41:03 AM
I don't know whether anyone here was thinking that the US would be better at soccer if only the best athletes played it (or continued playing it after childhood), but here's a good piece on why that's not the problem.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5352349/ce/us/lebron-not-save-us-soccer?cc=5901&ver=us

It's certainly true that the best US players either play now or have played abroad, primarily in England, but also in Germany (Bradley).  There's just a world of difference in the game between the MLS and the best European leagues.  To be blunt, I always doubted whether Landon Donovan could make it in the EPL, and I was absolutely delighted to be shown I was wrong in those doubts.  I understand that Everton are desperate to have him back and I imagine some other sides would be as well.

Anyone else in withdrawal this morning?

With 300 million people, the US should be better at soccer.

England has 92 clubs playing in their 4 highest divisions with just under 50,000,000 people.  In the US that would translate to 552 professional or semi-professional soccer teams.  Of course this doesn't even take into the count the vast difference in overall size of clubs between the MLS and EPL etc.

We have a long way to go.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: pg04 on July 05, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
These World events need to be spread out slightly better in my opinion.  The Summer olympics were in 08, But now the Winter olympics were in 10 and so is the world cup.  Perhaps we can Do something in which The Summer Olympics were on year 1, the World Cup on Year 2, the Winter Olympics on Year 3, and then Year 4 we'd either have to deal with nothing or think of another world sporting event worth the billing of the other 3 events... Or, do as Bill Simmons suggests on ESPN and make each of these events occur every 3 years. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: pg04 on July 05, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
These World events need to be spread out slightly better in my opinion.  The Summer olympics were in 08, But now the Winter olympics were in 10 and so is the world cup.  Perhaps we can Do something in which The Summer Olympics were on year 1, the World Cup on Year 2, the Winter Olympics on Year 3, and then Year 4 we'd either have to deal with nothing or think of another world sporting event worth the billing of the other 3 events... Or, do as Bill Simmons suggests on ESPN and make each of these events occur every 3 years. 

Well, other regions have competitions in the "off" two years in soccer.  There are the European Championships, for example; the last one was in 2008. England's underperformance that time, culminating (or perhaps I mean the exact opposite) in a loss at Wembley to Croatia, led to the dismissal of Steve McClaren as coach and quieted calls for an English coach for a while.  They didn't even qualify for the tournament (is there a theme here?).  It was still exciting, with Turkey and Russia playing fantastic, uninhibited, attacking football.  The final came down to Spain, looking much as they do now, against an elderly, slow, negative Italy, and the winner in a 1-0 game was scored by an in-form Fernando Torres (and please don't judge him by this World Cup--he was hurt most of last season).

I don't know if CONCACAF and/or CONMEBOL have anything similar.  I think a Tournament of the Americas would be fantastic.  It would give the US another good chance (beyond friendlies) to play against top competition.

Anyway, qualifiers for the Euros 2012 start up in the fall, right along with the resumption of the professional leagues.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2010, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: pg04 on July 05, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
These World events need to be spread out slightly better in my opinion.  The Summer olympics were in 08, But now the Winter olympics were in 10 and so is the world cup.  Perhaps we can Do something in which The Summer Olympics were on year 1, the World Cup on Year 2, the Winter Olympics on Year 3, and then Year 4 we'd either have to deal with nothing or think of another world sporting event worth the billing of the other 3 events... Or, do as Bill Simmons suggests on ESPN and make each of these events occur every 3 years. 

Well, other regions have competitions in the "off" two years in soccer.  There are the European Championships, for example; the last one was in 2008. England's underperformance that time, culminating (or perhaps I mean the exact opposite) in a loss at Wembley to Croatia, led to the dismissal of Steve McClaren as coach and quieted calls for an English coach for a while.  They didn't even qualify for the tournament (is there a theme here?).  It was still exciting, with Turkey and Russia playing fantastic, uninhibited, attacking football.  The final came down to Spain, looking much as they do now, against an elderly, slow, negative Italy, and the winner in a 1-0 game was scored by an in-form Fernando Torres (and please don't judge him by this World Cup--he was hurt most of last season).

I don't know if CONCACAF and/or CONMEBOL have anything similar.  I think a Tournament of the Americas would be fantastic.  It would give the US another good chance (beyond friendlies) to play against top competition.

Anyway, qualifiers for the Euros 2012 start up in the fall, right along with the resumption of the professional leagues.

And let us not forget the Confederations Cup, just last year, where the US shocked the world by beating Spain and leading much of the way against Brazil in the title game. :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 05, 2010, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: pg04 on July 05, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
These World events need to be spread out slightly better in my opinion.  The Summer olympics were in 08, But now the Winter olympics were in 10 and so is the world cup.  Perhaps we can Do something in which The Summer Olympics were on year 1, the World Cup on Year 2, the Winter Olympics on Year 3, and then Year 4 we'd either have to deal with nothing or think of another world sporting event worth the billing of the other 3 events... Or, do as Bill Simmons suggests on ESPN and make each of these events occur every 3 years. 



Well, other regions have competitions in the "off" two years in soccer.  There are the European Championships, for example; the last one was in 2008. England's underperformance that time, culminating (or perhaps I mean the exact opposite) in a loss at Wembley to Croatia, led to the dismissal of Steve McClaren as coach and quieted calls for an English coach for a while.  They didn't even qualify for the tournament (is there a theme here?).  It was still exciting, with Turkey and Russia playing fantastic, uninhibited, attacking football.  The final came down to Spain, looking much as they do now, against an elderly, slow, negative Italy, and the winner in a 1-0 game was scored by an in-form Fernando Torres (and please don't judge him by this World Cup--he was hurt most of last season).

I don't know if CONCACAF and/or CONMEBOL have anything similar.  I think a Tournament of the Americas would be fantastic.  It would give the US another good chance (beyond friendlies) to play against top competition.

Anyway, qualifiers for the Euros 2012 start up in the fall, right along with the resumption of the professional leagues.


CONCACAF has the Gold Cup, our version of the Euro championships.  Its held on the odd years.

http://www.goldcup.org/page/GoldCup/Home/0,,12802,00.html

After Mexico and the United States, there isn't much.  Mexico has won 5, US 4 of the 10 Gold Cups.  Somehow Canada won one.  The US has hosted or shared hosting for all 10 and with Mexico twice. 

The winner has sometimes been invited to participate in the Copa America, CONMEBAL's 'Euro Championship' which is actually older than the Euro's.  Judging by its history, its held whenever they feel like getting together for one.   Once it was held every year, then every 2 years, then 4, then 2, and the last two every three.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: sac on July 05, 2010, 05:39:02 PM

CONCACAF has the Gold Cup, our version of the Euro championships.  Its held on the odd years.

http://www.goldcup.org/page/GoldCup/Home/0,,12802,00.html

After Mexico and the United States, there isn't much.  Mexico has won 5, US 4 of the 10 Gold Cups.  Somehow Canada won one.  The US has hosted or shared hosting for all 10 and with Mexico twice. 

The winner has sometimes been invited to participate in the Copa America, CONMEBAL's 'Euro Championship' which is actually older than the Euro's.  Judging by its history, its held whenever they feel like getting together for one.   Once it was held every year, then every 2 years, then 4, then 2, and the last two every three.

So the Copa America is what I was thinking of.  Brazil and Argentina probably aren't that excited about it right now, though. 
Funny how quickly it went from a South American World Cup back to a European one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
Raise your hand if you thought Uruguay would be the last South American team in the WC. :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
Raise your hand if you thought Uruguay would be the last South American team in the WC. :o
I'd be sitting on my hands if I didn't need them to type!  I'll bet a lot of people are saying "Tell me again why Forlan couldn't make it in the EPL?"  I'd certainly give him a go if I were running a club and he wanted to leave Atletico.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 05, 2010, 07:30:48 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
Raise your hand if you thought Uruguay would be the last South American team in the WC. :o
I'd be sitting on my hands if I didn't need them to type!  I'll bet a lot of people are saying "Tell me again why Forlan couldn't make it in the EPL?"  I'd certainly give him a go if I were running a club and he wanted to leave Atletico.
How many of us are looking at this bracket and wondering if the US EVER has as favorable a draw to make the semis again!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2010, 07:59:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 05, 2010, 07:30:48 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
Raise your hand if you thought Uruguay would be the last South American team in the WC. :o
I'd be sitting on my hands if I didn't need them to type!  I'll bet a lot of people are saying "Tell me again why Forlan couldn't make it in the EPL?"  I'd certainly give him a go if I were running a club and he wanted to leave Atletico.
How many of us are looking at this bracket and wondering if the US EVER has as favorable a draw to make the semis again!

I believe that would be just about as unanimous as the lack of raised hands!

Though EVER is a long time - I just doubt it will happen again in my lifetime.  On the other hand, I have hope (though not expectation) that the US will get to the point in my lifetime where the semis (and beyond) are a realistic objective without a favorable draw.  In the Confederations Cup they made the semis (can't recall who they had to beat), then became the first team to beat Spain in ages, then led Brazil most of the final.  I hope I live to see that sort of thing become the norm! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 09:47:13 PM
Well, some justice has been done, anyway...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5340136/ce/us/referees-botched-calls-removed-world-cup-list?cc=5901&ver=us
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 05, 2010, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 05, 2010, 07:30:48 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
Raise your hand if you thought Uruguay would be the last South American team in the WC. :o
I'd be sitting on my hands if I didn't need them to type!  I'll bet a lot of people are saying "Tell me again why Forlan couldn't make it in the EPL?"  I'd certainly give him a go if I were running a club and he wanted to leave Atletico.
How many of us are looking at this bracket and wondering if the US EVER has as favorable a draw to make the semis again!

When the draw came out, most people had the US pegged at #2 in the group which meant a date with Germany in the round of 16.

Its not our fault England can't get out of its own way.  ;D

IF the group had gone the way it was supposed to the US would have been in the bracket with Germany then Argentina, then Spain.

Also the group of Uruguay, France, Mexico and South Africa was considered pretty strong until France imploded on itself.  Uruaguay is/was a darkhorse but many of the so called experts thought they could do some damage with their 3 strikers....and do some damage they have.

The other team that vastly disappointed was Nigeria who would have been Uruguay's round of 16 opponent.  The US bracket looks easier because some supposed powers (France/Nigeria) didn't show up. 

But you're right Ralph, it will be a long time before the US gets something that looked this good on paper.  I suppose England probably looks at that half of the bracket and says the same things.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 05, 2010, 10:15:02 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 05, 2010, 09:47:13 PM
Well, some justice has been done, anyway...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5340136/ce/us/referees-botched-calls-removed-world-cup-list?cc=5901&ver=us
The only way they would know these things is to replay the games.  I guess they think technology is good enough in these circumstances.

World Rankings
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=m/fullranking.html#confederation=0&rank=193
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 06, 2010, 07:20:16 PM
Officiating MAY have affected yet another game (though this was not a CLEAR error).  Holland's second goal should probably have been disallowed for offsides - not by the goal-scorer but for a teammate who was clearly 'part of the play' (he was between the scorer and the keeper, and the ball missed him by inches).  Since Uruguay lost only 3-2, allowing or disallowing that goal was clearly a game changer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 06, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
http://dodgyatbest.blogspot.com/2010/07/netherlands-3-2-uruguay-healthy-doses.html

Perhaps the officiating mattered even more than I thought (I hadn't seen the first half).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 07, 2010, 03:24:43 PM
Halftime for Spain-Germany:  Spain needs to keep going at Boatang, who should have a yellow by now.  They need to keep alert at the beginning of the second half and just keep doing what they've been doing.  Good stuff but it's crazy making.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2010, 04:37:55 PM
I think Germany REALLY missed Mueller today - that bogus yellow card may have changed the WC final!

This is NOT meant to take anything away from Spain - they played outstanding football.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 07, 2010, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2010, 04:37:55 PM
I think Germany REALLY missed Mueller today - that bogus yellow card may have changed the WC final!

This is NOT meant to take anything away from Spain - they played outstanding football.

Maybe..possibly...but that's stringing together too many conditionals for me to agree with, considering how very well Spain played.  The defense was absolutely outstanding.  And if Pedro (who was otherwise excellent) had passed the ball to a wide-open Torres, the game would have been over.

The winning goal on a set piece by a center back--very un-Spanish, but very convincing.  I had a Spain-Brazil final, and instead it's Spain and the team that beat Brazil.  My third and fourth place picks...well, that's another story. :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2010, 06:36:13 PM
I think the Spanish coach agreed about Pedro, as (despite an otherwise good game) he was subbed out almost immediately after that act of selfishness. ;)  I'd agree with the commentator who said that if Germany found a way to tie the game, Pedro would be the goat of all goats in Spain!

I agree that Spain deserved the win today (and am picking them to make Holland 0-3 in Cup finals), but I can't help wondering what that bogus card to Mueller might have meant.  Germany just didn't have the blitzkrieg they showed against England and Argentina.  While that is probably largely due to Spain, I can't help wondering if it was also no Mueller.

FIFA has got to return to wiping out yellows after group play (and perhaps also the quarters) - losing a star for the semis because of two yellows (at least one bogus) in FIVE games is just ridiculously overly harsh.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 07, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2010, 06:36:13 PM

I agree that Spain deserved the win today (and am picking them to make Holland 0-3 in Cup finals), but I can't help wondering what that bogus card to Mueller might have meant.  Germany just didn't have the blitzkrieg they showed against England and Argentina.  While that is probably largely due to Spain, I can't help wondering if it was also no Mueller.

FIFA has got to return to wiping out yellows after group play (and perhaps also the quarters) - losing a star for the semis because of two yellows (at least one bogus) in FIVE games is just ridiculously overly harsh.

I didn't see much of the Germany-Argentina match, but I did see the first German goal and my comment at the time was "terrible marking!"  England--well, they turned out to be one of the weakest sides in the entire tournament, for reasons that will be debated endlessly in the press, and Trouble Boy John Terry, the leading center back, was one of the weaknesses. 

On the other hand, the quality of the Spanish defense is one of their greatest strengths.  They aren't pretty like the strikers and midfielders, but, boy, do they get the job done.  To me it was poetic justice that Puyol got the winning goal.  (It was also nice that the announcers agreed with me that he looks like a bass player from an 80's hair band!)  So, I agree that the card policy is probably harsh, and it's too bad for Germany that they were without one of their scorers, but great teams find a way to make things happen.  I don't think we really disagree here. :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 07, 2010, 08:53:50 PM
What made the Spain goal even more amazing, was for most of the game they had played the corners short vs the much taller Germany......then BANG!





Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on July 07, 2010, 09:22:05 PM
Germany                                      Spain

5 Shots                                           13
6 Corner kicks                                  7
0 Yellow cards                                  0
0 Second yellow card and red card        0
0 Red Cards                                     0
49% Possession (%)                        51%

Time of possession surprises me, as I thought Spain controlled the ball much better than the Germans and dominated the match.
I agree with above comments re Mueller, as he may have changed the complexion of the match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2010, 09:33:47 PM
I'm astounded at the final time of possession stat - it sure felt like 65% Spain!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on July 07, 2010, 09:45:53 PM
Quoted from msn.FoxSports.com:

Thomas Mueller is the German MVP

Often, teams discover who their most important player is when they are not available. Can anyone doubt tonight that the soft yellow card shown to Thomas Mueller in the quarterfinal win over Argentina wasn't the most important moment of this match tonight? Without Mueller, Schweinsteiger and Mesut Ozil were unable to impose themselves on the match while limiting Lukas Podolski and Miroslav Klose. It turns out that Mueller's ability to create out wide in midfield as well as make those dangerous, space-creating runs into the attacking areas, was the key to what made Joachim Loew's team truly tick. With Mueller this might have been a very different game; without him Germany turned out to be quite ordinary. Piotr Trochowski proved inadequate in Mueller's spot and while Toni Kroos did force the save of the match from Iker Casillas when he replaced Trochowski, there was still no way to make up for Mueller's absence.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 08, 2010, 12:15:11 AM
On the other hand........you have to wonder if Mueller plays, does Spain go with Torres and Villa up front instead of just Villa?

I know Torres has been nursing an injury, but I didn't here anything about him not being able to play longer than 20 or 30 minutes.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on July 08, 2010, 12:16:16 AM
Paul the Octopus (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/octopus-paul-prediction-comes-true/126182-5-21.html?from=tn) picked Germany/Spain correctly. In fact, he was 6 for 6 picking Germany's WC games this year, including the Serbia upset!! As a result of picking Spain correctly, Paul might end up on the dinner table (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/octopus-paul-could-be-in-trouble-if-spain-win/126137-5-21.html?from=trhs)!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 08, 2010, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 07, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2010, 06:36:13 PM

I agree that Spain deserved the win today (and am picking them to make Holland 0-3 in Cup finals), but I can't help wondering what that bogus card to Mueller might have meant.  Germany just didn't have the blitzkrieg they showed against England and Argentina.  While that is probably largely due to Spain, I can't help wondering if it was also no Mueller.

FIFA has got to return to wiping out yellows after group play (and perhaps also the quarters) - losing a star for the semis because of two yellows (at least one bogus) in FIVE games is just ridiculously overly harsh.

I didn't see much of the Germany-Argentina match, but I did see the first German goal and my comment at the time was "terrible marking!" 

Same could be said of Puyol's goal where he ran in from outside of the 18 unmarked for his flying header.  Spain definitely caught the Germans napping on that corner as they had been going with short corners all match long and then... SURPRISE!


Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 07, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
...and it's too bad for Germany that they were without one of their scorers, but great teams find a way to make things happen.  I don't think we really disagree here. :)

We're not just talking about any player.  Mueller was BY FAR Germany's MVP of this tournament.  I would liken it to Spain having to play without David Villa.  I doubt, hypothetically speaking, if Spain lost a match without the services of Villa you would be dismissing it as though they should be good enough to overcome the loss of a player that has so much of an impact on goalscoring for Spain.  I mean, Mueller scored 4 goals and assisted on 3 others in just 5 matches in this World Cup.  That is 7 out of the 13 total goals Germany scored in the WC.  Mueller was not only tied with the team lead in goals scored, but he also was tied for the team lead in assists as well.  Taking a player away that had a direct hand in over 50% of your goal scoring is pretty damn tough to overcome in my book. 

Spain was the better team yesterday and certainly deserved the win.  Their experience was the difference in my opinion.  But to just act as though Germany should be good enough to overcome the loss of their MVP and to act as though Spain did not benefit BIG TIME from Mueller's absense is being a bit shortsighted if you ask me. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 08, 2010, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on July 08, 2010, 08:15:28 PM

We're not just talking about any player.  Mueller was BY FAR Germany's MVP of this tournament.  I would liken it to Spain having to play without David Villa.  I doubt, hypothetically speaking, if Spain lost a match without the services of Villa you would be dismissing it as though they should be good enough to overcome the loss of a player that has so much of an impact on goalscoring for Spain.  I mean, Mueller scored 4 goals and assisted on 3 others in just 5 matches in this World Cup.  That is 7 out of the 13 total goals Germany scored in the WC.  Mueller was not only tied with the team lead in goals scored, but he also was tied for the team lead in assists as well.  Taking a player away that had a direct hand in over 50% of your goal scoring is pretty damn tough to overcome in my book. 

Spain was the better team yesterday and certainly deserved the win.  Their experience was the difference in my opinion.  But to just act as though Germany should be good enough to overcome the loss of their MVP and to act as though Spain did not benefit BIG TIME from Mueller's absense is being a bit shortsighted if you ask me. 

I really don't mean to be dismissive of Mueller, and I never said that Spain did not benefit from his absence.  For that matter, every team that Spain has faced has benefited from Fernando Torres' lack of match fitness.  David Villa really was not much of a factor in yesterday's match, and for that the German defense deserves a great deal of credit.  The goal came from perhaps the player we would have least expected, and that was what I was thinking of when I said great teams find a way to make things happen.  I agree with you that the lesser experience of the young Germans showed.  They will be a force to be reckoned with--they are a force to be reckoned with. 

Should the rules for suspensions after yellow cards be reviewed?  Very likely.  Should all suspensions be done away with?  I don't think so, because there are dirty players in the game.  I am NOT saying that Mueller is one of them--he isn't.

It seems that you agree with me that the better team won yesterday, and I agree with you that the rules should be reviewed. Again, I don't see what the argument is.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
Np argument with me, as long as you're willing to entertain the possibility that bad officiating MAY have affected who plays in the finals! :D

Spain is certainly a worthy finalist.  Germany MAY have been an even more worthy finalist.  We'll never know, due to yet another officiating (and rules) flub.

I've certainly enjoyed the Cup, and have no major qualms about the finals, but FIFA has done their best (worst?) to ruin it. :P

But ban the vuvuzelas!!  Go back to drums and cheering!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 08, 2010, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
Np argument with me, as long as you're willing to entertain the possibility that bad officiating MAY have affected who plays in the finals! :D

Of course!  I think that's always true to some extent.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
Spain is certainly a worthy finalist.  Germany MAY have been an even more worthy finalist.  We'll never know, due to yet another officiating (and rules) flub.

I think they were very evenly matched yesterday and I think that both would be worthy finalists.  I agree that we'll never know how it would have gone had both teams been at full strength.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
I've certainly enjoyed the Cup, and have no major qualms about the finals, but FIFA has done their best (worst?) to ruin it. :P

But ban the vuvuzelas!!  Go back to drums and cheering!!

Amen to that!  And singing, too.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 09, 2010, 11:08:15 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 08, 2010, 11:26:30 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 08, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
I've certainly enjoyed the Cup, and have no major qualms about the finals, but FIFA has done their best (worst?) to ruin it. :P

But ban the vuvuzelas!!  Go back to drums and cheering!!

Amen to that!  And singing, too.

That will be one aspect of this World Cup that I hope I never have to endure ever again!  The singing and cheering of futbol fans in the stands is a part of what I love about the beautiful game.  And having all of those cheers drowned out by what sounds like a swarm of bees has been more than irritating!  If FIFA can get learn just one thing among the many things they need to learn coming out of this World Cup, I would be happy to see a ban of those annoying plastic horns being that one thing!!!  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on July 09, 2010, 02:49:06 PM
Paul the octapus has chosen Spain to win the  2010 World Cup ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya85knuDzp8
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on July 09, 2010, 02:52:54 PM
Goal-line technology back on FIFA agenda

http://www.rte.ie/sport/worldcup/2010/0709/blatter.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 09, 2010, 06:22:29 PM
Next topic of discussion:  Should the US embrace diving?

It's interesting that we (and I include myself) are quick to condemn diving in soccer, but as the article points out, the same techniques are used in getting blocking or charging calls in basketball all the time.

And this was an area in which the officials were for the most part very, very lax.   The only time I saw "simulation" called was a yellow card against England's Glen Johnson, when he was clearly tripped.  Yet Christiano Ronaldo falls over like a leaf in October any time an opponent is within three feet of him.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5364953/ce/us/america-time-embrace-flopping?cc=5901&ver=us

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 09, 2010, 06:22:29 PM
Next topic of discussion:  Should the US embrace diving?

It's interesting that we (and I include myself) are quick to condemn diving in soccer, but as the article points out, the same techniques are used in getting blocking or charging calls in basketball all the time.

And this was an area in which the officials were for the most part very, very lax.   The only time I saw "simulation" called was a yellow card against England's Glen Johnson, when he was clearly tripped.  Yet Christiano Ronaldo falls over like a leaf in October any time an opponent is within three feet of him.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5364953/ce/us/america-time-embrace-flopping?cc=5901&ver=us



As I mentioned after Spain beat Portugal, a moment that warmed my heart was when Ronaldo clearly WAS fouled (perhaps even card-worthy fouled), but got no call.  Getting a reputation as a flopper will eventually come to haunt you!

If the US ever 'embraces' diving, I'll have to find another team! :o  But I understand what you are saying, and perhaps they should be a bit less stoic about fouls.  Perhaps even Coulibaly would have gotten the call right if one or more of the victims of PK-worthy fouls on the disallowed goal had actually fallen down!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 09, 2010, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
If the US ever 'embraces' diving, I'll have to find another team! :o
North Korea? :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2010, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 09, 2010, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
If the US ever 'embraces' diving, I'll have to find another team! :o
North Korea? :)

I wouldn't go quite that far!  (The country may finally be imploding - I'm doubtful North Korea will ever make the WC again; and within a Cup or two, there may not even BE a North Korea.)

I'm sure my statement was an exaggeration, but 'embracing' diving would definitely be a taint on the US MNT.  I'll stick with 'let 'em KNOW you've been (legitimately) fouled, rather than gamely bouncing back up TOO quickly'. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Just Bill on July 09, 2010, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 09, 2010, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
If the US ever 'embraces' diving, I'll have to find another team! :o
North Korea? :)

I've been reading goverment press releases on the North Korean website and it doesn't mention that they ever lost a game or gave up a goal.  Apparently, they must have won the World Cup!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 09, 2010, 11:10:24 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on July 09, 2010, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 09, 2010, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
If the US ever 'embraces' diving, I'll have to find another team! :o
North Korea? :)

I've been reading goverment press releases on the North Korean website and it doesn't mention that they ever lost a game or gave up a goal.  Apparently, they must have won the World Cup!
Did they get any RED cards? :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2010, 11:58:30 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on July 09, 2010, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 09, 2010, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 09, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
If the US ever 'embraces' diving, I'll have to find another team! :o
North Korea? :)

I've been reading goverment press releases on the North Korean website and it doesn't mention that they ever lost a game or gave up a goal.  Apparently, they must have won the World Cup!
Wow!  If you are reading the North Korean press releases, it really must be a slow summer.  And, it is still 6 weeks until the release of KICKOFF!   :D   ;D

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on July 10, 2010, 02:43:44 PM
Great article about Cruyff's influence on Spanish football : http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/sports/soccer/11cupfeature.html?ref=soccer (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/sports/soccer/11cupfeature.html?ref=soccer)

As someone who has lived in Madrid and Valencia,  and has spent many years following Spanish football, it's nice to see this team coming together over the past 4 years.   http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/spain-united-on-the-field-and-off/?ref=soccer (http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/spain-united-on-the-field-and-off/?ref=soccer)  There is a heavy Catalan influence on this team, yet they come together for their country. Fantastic to watch.

My signature will take on a different meaning tomorrow......  Vamos La Furia Roja!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 10, 2010, 08:18:44 PM
Thanks for the links, Stinger.  Nice to read about how football can be a uniting force.

Fun match to watch between Germany and Uruguay today.  I like both teams and it was fun to see the momentum swings as a neutral observer.  I know it was wet and the ball was slippery, but the Uruguayan keeper should have done better on the first two goals. 

Four years ago I watched Spain and said "I wish Liverpool would sign Fernando Torres."  I got my wish, and he's been better than I could have predicted.  Now I'm thinking "Even though he's 31, I wish Liverpool would sign Diego Forlan."  He did everything--score, pass, take free kicks and corners.  He was the only player I saw who seemed able to control the ball even close to a Beckham-like kick.  So I liked this piece:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5370053/ce/us/diego-forlan-mvp-world-cup?cc=5901&ver=us
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
While I admire Forlan tremendously, the line about him being the MOST important single player in any team's success stuck in my craw.  Luis Suarez had only one less goal (in one less game), and 'took one for the team' in preventing Ghana from eliminating Uruguay in the Round of Eight.  Uruguay lived or died by those TWO players, not Forlan alone.

I hope the octopus gets a perfect score, since I already picked Spain as well.  Anyone picking Holland, and if so, give me your reasoning?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 10, 2010, 09:11:42 PM
Good points about Suarez, although for me Forlan's excellence at set pieces puts him a step above.  I was wondering more if anyone wanted to suggest players from other teams as being the most valuable for their teams.

I thought the crowd's treatment of Suarez today was shameful--a bit like the students who keep chanting "airball, airball" throughout a basketball game.  The handball was called, the penalty awarded, and Suarez was suspended.  End of story--or it should have been.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 10, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
Netherlands, because I was a Johan Cruyff fan when I was growing up.    :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 10, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
Netherlands, because I was a Johan Cruyff fan when I was growing up.    :)

I figured there would be some rooting for the Dutch, but do you have any reasoning to THINK they will win? ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 10, 2010, 10:52:15 PM
Despite my schools affiliations with the motherland, the limited Dutch genes in my family just don't run deep enough for me to really care one way or the other.

(Curiously, Spain seems to be the only European country I don't have family ties to)

I'll be happily munching my chips and sipping my Coke's with my eyes glued to the television.  Hoping the game winner for either side is a memorable one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 10, 2010, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 10, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
Netherlands, because I was a Johan Cruyff fan when I was growing up.    :)

I figured there would be some rooting for the Dutch, but do you have any reasoning to THINK they will win? ;)
No.  But the Dutch are professionals and they are underdogs. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BoBo on July 10, 2010, 11:20:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
I hope the octopus gets a perfect score, since I already picked Spain as well.  Anyone picking Holland, and if so, give me your reasoning?

I have no particular rooting interest in either side, but my gut feeling is that the Dutch are going to do it this time. In a WC full of surprises, with many of the heavy weights bowing out early, it would be fitting, to end this with a Dutch win and Paul making a wrong pick. That way, the lasting image of this tournament might shift back to where it should be -- with Larissa Riquelme!!  ;)   ;D   :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 10, 2010, 11:43:00 PM
About predictions:  I have only ONCE, in my ENTIRE LIFE, gone public with a prediction about any sporting event.  That was on this board, when YOU, Mr. Ypsi, asked something like "Does the US have a snowball's chance in he** of beating Spain in the Confederations Cup?", and I said NO.  I was happy to be wrong, but I am not going public on this one!  For the record, however, I hear that octopi (or octopuses or whatever) are said to be very intelligent! :)

 And as a Liverpool fan, I note that whichever side wins, two members of the Liverpool team will be represented.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 11, 2010, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 10, 2010, 09:11:42 PM
Good points about Suarez, although for me Forlan's excellence at set pieces puts him a step above.  I was wondering more if anyone wanted to suggest players from other teams as being the most valuable for their teams.

I thought the crowd's treatment of Suarez today was shameful--a bit like the students who keep chanting "airball, airball" throughout a basketball game.  The handball was called, the penalty awarded, and Suarez was suspended.  End of story--or it should have been.
I agree. That was the play of a true champion!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 11, 2010, 03:28:53 PM
De Jong should have been red-carded.  Good grief - if that kung fu kick had been two inches higher, it might have been fatal!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2010, 03:32:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 11, 2010, 03:28:53 PM
De Jong should have been red-carded.  Good grief - if that kung fu kick had been two inches higher, it might have been fatal!
The Dutch should have three reds by my reckoning--van Persie and van Bommel, in addition to de Jong's (who might well be in police custody!).  As Steve McManaman said, this is not a great ad for the game so far.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 11, 2010, 05:03:17 PM
Congratulations, Spain.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 11, 2010, 05:11:22 PM
While I was rooting for Spain anyway, after seeing the game I am especially pleased.  The Dutch played one of the dirtiest games I've ever seen at this level of competition.  The ref did a pretty good job of trying to keep control, handing out what has got to be a record number of cards in a final, but he could easily have given twice as many.

If this was 'the beautiful game', teams better hire MMA coaches! :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 11, 2010, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 11, 2010, 05:11:22 PM
While I was rooting for Spain anyway, after seeing the game I am especially pleased.  The Dutch played one of the dirtiest games I've ever seen at this level of competition.  The ref did a pretty good job of trying to keep control, handing out what has got to be a record number of cards in a final, but he could easily have given twice as many.

If this was 'the beautiful game', teams better hire MMA coaches! :P

To be fair, Spain (and Holland) had some nice play acting in there as well.......and both teams constant demands for cards was tiresome......and I thought Italy had been sent home early?

At any rate the best team won and it was a solid goal that did it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2010, 11:09:03 PM
Looks like others agreed with the thoughts on Diego Forlan:
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_uruguay-s-diego-forlan-named-player-of-the-world-cup_1408619
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 12, 2010, 01:00:14 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2010, 11:09:03 PM
Looks like others agreed with the thoughts on Diego Forlan:
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_uruguay-s-diego-forlan-named-player-of-the-world-cup_1408619


Agreed - well deserved.  I just was offended by the earlier writer's implication that Forlan was virtually a one-man team for Uruguay, when they would not have made the semis without Suarez.

I see also that Mueller won the Golden Boot, based apparently on total points (goals + assists) as the tie-breaker, since 4 players had 5 goals each.  And, geez, he's only 20!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 12, 2010, 08:15:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 12, 2010, 01:00:14 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 11, 2010, 11:09:03 PM
Looks like others agreed with the thoughts on Diego Forlan:
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_uruguay-s-diego-forlan-named-player-of-the-world-cup_1408619


Agreed - well deserved.  I just was offended by the earlier writer's implication that Forlan was virtually a one-man team for Uruguay, when they would not have made the semis without Suarez.

I see also that Mueller won the Golden Boot, based apparently on total points (goals + assists) as the tie-breaker, since 4 players had 5 goals each.  And, geez, he's only 20!

The earlier writer was the author of a piece on ESPN, and I posted it.  I wasn't necessarily saying I agreed, and I don't think he said Forlan was a one-man team--he said "Has any single player done more for his team?"  I couldn't think of anyone, and I wondered if anyone else could.  I guess it was a pretty good choice!

Mueller also won Best Young Player--bright future for him!  And there was some kind of tie-breaker involved for the Golden Boot.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 17, 2010, 11:59:45 AM
In case anyone was doubting, Tim Howard is committed to playing in 2014 (when he will be 35).  Here's hoping he is still top of his game, or that someone will emerge as even better!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on July 18, 2010, 09:08:05 PM
From RTE Sport:

Henry announces international retirement

Thursday, 15 July 2010 20:03

France striker Thierry Henry announced his retirement from international soccer today.

The 32-year-old former Arsenal and Barcelona striker, who signed for Major League Soccer (MLS) side New York Redbulls on Wednesday, played only a bit-part in France's World Cup campaign in South Africa, which ended at the group stage.

'I made up my mind before the World Cup. South Africa did not play a part in my decision. I could have announced it before the World Cup but I didn't want it (to affect) the team. It was time for me (to retire),' Henry told a news conference.

Henry is France's all-time leading goalscorer with 51 goals in 123 appearances but his only appearances in South Africa were as a substitute.



Are NY Redbull fans going to come out to see Handball Henry???

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 18, 2010, 09:35:06 PM
MLS will have arrived when an international player joins who actually still plays for his national team.  Until then, MLS is the 'nursing home' of soccer leagues. :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 19, 2010, 11:29:27 AM
Good news (finally!) in the transfer market for Liverpool:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8834962.stm

In short, Joe Cole is moving to Anfield from Chelsea.  Also, Fernando Torres is NOT for sale.  Europa League qualifying starts next week.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 19, 2010, 05:27:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 18, 2010, 09:35:06 PM
MLS will have arrived when an international player joins who actually still plays for his national team.  Until then, MLS is the 'nursing home' of soccer leagues. :(

Aside from those Central American countries.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 19, 2010, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on July 19, 2010, 05:27:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 18, 2010, 09:35:06 PM
MLS will have arrived when an international player joins who actually still plays for his national team.  Until then, MLS is the 'nursing home' of soccer leagues. :(

Aside from those Central American countries.

Yeah, that's true - and now Nery Castillo has just been signed in his prime.  I was thinking of the 'names' even casual fans recognize, and who are signed well past their prime purely for marketing purposes - Beckham, Thierry, and, going back to NASL, a well-over-the-hill Pele.

MLS will have fully arrived as a 'world-class league' when they compete for top name players in their prime, and when it is not a foregone conclusion that a Donovan will be sold to Europe.  I can't really envision that happening in my lifetime, but since you're still just a 'kid', maybe you'll live to see it! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on July 20, 2010, 02:46:57 PM


Yankees rumored to want  ownership of Tottenham Hotspurs:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/07/18/yankees-reportedly-weighing-bid-for-premier-leagues-tottenham-

If so, maybe we will get to see them, (Robbie Keane) play a few PL matches in the NYC area, or at least some exhibition.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 21, 2010, 05:09:17 PM
Apparently, soccernet.com reports that Man. City wants Donovan...ha ha ha ha.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 25, 2010, 03:41:45 PM
Quiet in here....

caught Liverpool's first two games, they don't look like one of the elite teams in England anymore (although they should have beaten Arsenal), they were totally outclassed by Man City.  Expect another tough grind to get the 4th Champions League spot at best for the Reds.   Maybe when/if Torres returns to health they'll be better, but right now they don't appear to be in the mix.  Cole is a welcome addition though.

Chelsea look rampaging but I think Wigan and West Brom will be battling it out at the bottom for relegation.


My cable company unexpectedly added Fox Soccer to the lineup this summer, so I'm pretty happy to be able to see more games than just the ESPN game of the week.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 27, 2010, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: sac on August 25, 2010, 03:41:45 PM

My cable company unexpectedly added Fox Soccer to the lineup this summer, so I'm pretty happy to be able to see more games than just the ESPN game of the week.



I love having FSN, but the only drawback I have is that it isn't offered in HD by my cable company?!  But, at least I have the channel which beats not having it at all.

It is still very early and I would like to see Chelsea vs. a squad that won't be battling for relegation. 

I was also disappointed to see ManU drop points at Fulham last week.  They had a golden opportunity to pick up 3 points on the road at what has typically been a tough place for the Red Devils to get results lately.  But they blew leads of 1-0 and 2-1 and Nani missed a PK that would have put the game out of reach.  ::) 

It's matches like that that come back and haunt you at the end of the season when you are scratching for each and every point.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 27, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on August 27, 2010, 10:14:53 AM


It is still very early and I would like to see Chelsea vs. a squad that won't be battling for relegation. 


Sept 25.  Man City v Chelsea

...before that Chelsea play Stoke, West Ham, MSK Zilina and Blackpool, expect continued rampaging.


Liverpool also sold Mascherano today, so even less like one of England's elite now.


PS I was also pretty happy to see ManU paired with Rangers in the Champions League.  Nice!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 30, 2010, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: sac on August 27, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
Liverpool also sold Mascherano today, so even less like one of England's elite now.

One point through three matches for the Reds?  Ouch!   :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 30, 2010, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on August 30, 2010, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: sac on August 27, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
Liverpool also sold Mascherano today, so even less like one of England's elite now.

One point through three matches for the Reds?  Ouch!   :o

Four, they beat West Brom 1-0 yesterday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 30, 2010, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: sac on August 30, 2010, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on August 30, 2010, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: sac on August 27, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
Liverpool also sold Mascherano today, so even less like one of England's elite now.

One point through three matches for the Reds?  Ouch!   :o

Four, they beat West Brom 1-0 yesterday.

They looked pretty good, too, considering the number of changes they've been through.  The Baggies were very fortunate not to be given a penalty for handball in the box on the Chilean defender Jara very late.  The goal--Reina to Kuyt to Torres--was very good; it's great to see Torres looking fit again.  Only the loss to Man City is of concern to me at this point; before the Arsenal match I think everyone on Merseyside would have been happy with a draw. 

Chelsea sure is getting to fatten their goal differential early!  And they're making the most of their chances.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
Hapless French lose to Belarus 1-0 in opening game of Euro 2012 qualifiers!!! ;D

Rep of Ireland over Armenia 1-0 on Keith Fahy's 76' goal.  Keane missed 2 opportunities :o

Portugal 4 Cyprus 4!!!!

England, Netherlands, Spain romp

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro2012/

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2010, 11:36:34 PM
I HAD been rooting for the Faroe Islands, until I realized they are just too damn big (nearly TWICE the population of Ypsilanti).  I'm now rooting for a Lichtenstein/San Marino final - we CAN compete with those guys! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 16, 2010, 07:49:14 PM
Any ManU fans curious about the team selection for their game vs Rangers.  That seems to have backfired a little bit, but then I'm not an expert on their team but it seemed a little less than their best.

Considering how the other English teams fared, ManU must be the biggest disappointment of the first week of Champions league.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 21, 2010, 10:58:05 PM
Quote from: sac on September 16, 2010, 07:49:14 PM
Any ManU fans curious about the team selection for their game vs Rangers.  That seems to have backfired a little bit, but then I'm not an expert on their team but it seemed a little less than their best.

Considering how the other English teams fared, ManU must be the biggest disappointment of the first week of Champions league.

It's still waaaaay early in just the group stages of the Champs League and ManU had that little team from Liverpool waiting for the Red Devils on Saturday.  I think Sir Alex was more concerned about not losing any more ground than what has already been lost to Chelsea this early in the season as opposed to going after a mid-week group stage match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 22, 2010, 09:49:02 PM
Ya never know how the groups can unfold, 2 points could cost you down the road.


but anyway......speaking of the rivalry game, here's one of Berbatov's 3 goals.

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Dimitar-Berbatov-dazzles-amazes-and-beats-Liver?urn=sow-270741
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 27, 2010, 11:57:50 PM
Haven't checked in here for a couple of days.  Just wanted to say I like the new avatar sac!   8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 21, 2010, 10:55:09 PM

Liverpool is just an interesting club to follow these days.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Liverpool-s-pilot-is-the-lead-singer-of-Iron-Mai?urn=sow-278495
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 21, 2010, 11:11:14 PM
"Interesting" is one word for it.  One of my friends in York always says that Liverpool fans are downright operatic in their passion and their willingness to wail about the injustice of the world (sometimes even accurately so).  The past couple of weeks have been downright soap opera.  From the high of getting rid of the nasty bloodsucking Yanks and replacing them with what seem to be benevolent Yanks to the downer of a manager who seems clueless about the team's strengths and demands that Fernando Torres play like Bobby Zamora.  Being in the relegation zone after a 2-0 loss in the derby is not progress for a team that nearly won the league two years ago.

At Liverpool John Lennon airport the sign at the entrance says "Above Us Only Sky."  I heard that last week it was amended to read "Below us only West Ham."

Oy!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 22, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
The best site for information and informed opinion about Liverpool (and on statistics and club finances across the EPL):

http://tomkinstimes.com/

ALL Liverpool-related forums are currently coming in at 85-95% in favor of "Hodgson must go."  It won't be pretty against Allardyce's Blackburn at Anfield this Sunday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2010, 09:22:45 PM
RIP: Paul the Octopus. :(

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/26/paul-the-octopus-dead-wor_n_773896.html

The next World Cup is gonna be unpredictable! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 03, 2010, 10:38:25 PM
Looks like the times they are a'changin' at Liverpool:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9156815.stm

The Paul Tomkins quoted in the article runs the site I linked to above.  The link in the article takes you to his account of lunch with the Red Sox owner.  I'd say Roy Hodgson's days are numbered and that number is low.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 07, 2010, 06:37:45 PM
As Torres goes, so go the Reds.  :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 07, 2010, 09:42:55 PM
Yes, he's BAAACK!  Both goals were absolute crackers.  The much-maligned Lucas was Man of the Match, or would have been if Torres hadn't been the only goalscorer.  Chelsea didn't look their usual selves, City have lost three in a row, Wayne Rooney's off to Oregon, and Arsenal lost to Newcastle...the Reds may get back into this yet!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on November 09, 2010, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on November 07, 2010, 09:42:55 PM
Yes, he's BAAACK!  Both goals were absolute crackers.  The much-maligned Lucas was Man of the Match, or would have been if Torres hadn't been the only goalscorer.  Chelsea didn't look their usual selves, City have lost three in a row, Wayne Rooney's off to Oregon, and Arsenal lost to Newcastle...the Reds may get back into this yet!

As much as my disdain is for Liverpool and how much I was enjoying seeing them wallow at the bottom of the tables, the EPL is better with the Reds competitive and if Torres is indeed back, I think they will continue to climb the table.  And that 2nd Torres strike was absolutely brilliant!  Cech looked as if he were standing in cement!  :D

Also, don't forget, ManU is STILL unbeaten on the season.  They may have 5 draws, but they have yet to go down to defeat.  And they also have won 6 straight in all competitions without the services of one Wayne Rooney.  I'm kind of thinking along the lines that ManU are still only 2 points adrift of Chelsea and are doing this without Wanye Rooney.  Look out when he returns healthy!   8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on November 10, 2010, 01:40:09 PM
Droghba has/had malaria...well thats a new one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on November 22, 2010, 10:35:47 AM
They're baaaaack!  ;D

ManU extended their unbeaten streak in all competitions dating back to last season to 27 games with their win at home over Wigan on Saturday!  And coupled with Chelsea's surprising loss at Birmingham, the Red Devils find themselves atop the standings tied with the Blues for the first time this season! 

Chelsea looked unstoppable to start the season but that form has deffinitely left the building as the Blues have lost 3 of their last 4 matches and have now squandered what was a pretty substantial lead over ManU!  And, BTW, Rooney is back!   8-)

And how about Arsenal blowing a 2 nil lead at The Emirates only to allow Totty to score 3 unanwered to lose at home in their north London derby???  :o


Lastly, of interest to Liverpool fans, it appears that Rafa's days are very much numbered at Inter.  He's already been given the kiss of death by the owner stating that his job was secure.  It seems to be not a matter of if anymore, but when!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 22, 2010, 11:29:35 AM
I think the wisest statement, overall, is that the EPL is down quite a bit this year.  Amazing that Liverpool are only 3 points off qualifying for Europe and 9 points off the lead after their wretched start to the season.  Chelsea have looked awful, City have been on the verge of firing Mancini after a string of poor results (and that may still happen), and Arsenal have given away points.  This could easily go to the last day.

Scots, I didn't see your earlier post about Liverpool until a day or two ago.  I generally have no use for Man U either, and I expect no quarter on the pitch (nor will it be given!).  But no team should have to endure the off-pitch shenanigans of bloodsucking "owners" who borrowed money to buy the team and then loaded the debt back onto it.  Hopefully the 'pool are clear now.  I sincerely hope that Man U does not have to go through the same courtroom drama, but how their situation will resolve is far from clear.

Here's a very nice short piece in defense of Liverpool fans.  I think it speaks to all of us (including everyone here, I'm sure) who take pride in our teams (college as well as professional).  We don't expect titles every year, but we do expect a certain level of play, and a certain level of behavior and expectation from players, coaches, and "owners." 

http://postmatchpint.com/2010/11/21/in-defence-of-liverpool-and-their-fans/

Re:  Rafa at Inter.  It was a bad match from the start, just as Hodgson was at Liverpool.  So, Inter are unhappy with Rafa and want Mourinho back.  Liverpool supporters are unhappy with Roy and would like Rafa back.  Fulham supporters are unhappy with Mark Hughes and would like Roy back.  If only Real Madrid wanted Mark Hughes we could all be happy! :D


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on November 22, 2010, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on November 22, 2010, 11:29:35 AM
Re:  Rafa at Inter.  It was a bad match from the start, just as Hodgson was at Liverpool.  So, Inter are unhappy with Rafa and want Mourinho back.  Liverpool supporters are unhappy with Roy and would like Rafa back.  Fulham supporters are unhappy with Mark Hughes and would like Roy back.  If only Real Madrid wanted Mark Hughes we could all be happy! :D

Nice!   :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on December 02, 2010, 11:32:23 AM
There were no back door deals going on to get Russia and Qatar the winning bids for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups at all...  ::)  Riiiiiiiiiight?!  FIFA, and more specifically Seth Blatter disgust me right about now?!   >:(   ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on December 02, 2010, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 02, 2010, 11:32:23 AM
There were no back door deals going on to get Russia and Qatar the winning bids for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups at all...  ::)  Riiiiiiiiiight?!  FIFA, and more specifically Seth Blatter disgust me right about now?!   >:(   ???

Scots,  Totally agree, what a joke of an organization.  Have you been on the FIFA web site?  All comments are screened and rejected if unflattering to this sad excuse for an organization.  Where did they dig Seth Bla(bb)er up from? :o ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on December 02, 2010, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: ECSUalum on December 02, 2010, 01:54:22 PM
Scots,  Totally agree, what a joke of an organization.  Have you been on the FIFA web site?  All comments are screened and rejected if unflattering to this sad excuse for an organization.  Where did they dig Seth Bla(bb)er up from? :o ::)

Apparently Qatar is going to build all new stadiums and then tear them down and re-build them in struggling countries all at Qatar's expense.  As Eric Wynalda said on FSC's coverage of the announcement, I guess we will see who voted for Qatar starting in 2023 when we find out where these stadiums are going???  ::)

I mean, the US was the ONLY country to grade out at 100% after taking in all considerations!  We could host the freaking World Cup TOMORROW if needed!  And so could freaking England whom I also have to believe graded out pretty high!

Sorry, but you will have a hard time making me believe there wasn't some serious corruption and/or collusion going on for the voting to give us the outcome of Russia and Qatar?!   ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 02, 2010, 04:06:12 PM
And, the World Cup is awarded to ...countries with oil money, and countries with oil money.  Awarding two at once seemed like a way to guarantee collusion and it looks like that's what happened.  Only two votes for England.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2010, 06:44:49 PM
Grant Wahl's take on it:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/grant_wahl/12/02/3thoughts.wcbid/index.html?eref=sihp

I would have to take issue with his headline.  Questions?! :o  This may be the first article I've ever seen that used 'intergrity' and 'FIFA' in the same sentence (unless the words 'lack of' also appeared).

There was a spirited debate earlier today on the E8 football board; one issue was whether FIFA or the IOC is the more corrupt.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on December 02, 2010, 06:45:30 PM
The world gets Qatar.  The USA gets Air Qatar. :'(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on December 02, 2010, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2010, 06:44:49 PM
There was a spirited debate earlier today on the E8 football board; one issue was whether FIFA or the IOC is the more corrupt.

I think you could add the NCAA to that debate as well.   :-\  Well, maybe not in the corrupt argument, but certainly a debate about which organization is most inept!   ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2010, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 02, 2010, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2010, 06:44:49 PM
There was a spirited debate earlier today on the E8 football board; one issue was whether FIFA or the IOC is the more corrupt.

I think you could add the NCAA to that debate as well.   :-\  Well, maybe not in the corrupt argument, but certainly a debate about which organization is most inept!   ::)

Yeah, that is the crucial distinction.  NCAA is utterly inept, but not (so far as I know) corrupt.  FIFA and IOC are proven to be both inept AND utterly corrupt. :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 02, 2010, 10:43:21 PM
Here's the take of Nate Silver, of fivethirtyeight.com, in the New York Times:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/02/qatar-a-questionable-world-cup-host/
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 02, 2010, 06:45:30 PM
The world gets Qatar.  The USA gets Air Qatar. :'(
This is a victory for diversity.  This will be the first World Cup to be hosted in the Middle East and in a Islamic country!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2010, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 02, 2010, 06:45:30 PM
The world gets Qatar.  The USA gets Air Qatar. :'(
This is a victory for diversity.  This will be the first World Cup to be hosted in the Middle East and in a Islamic country!

Ralph, I sort of agree.  BUT ... if a Qatari visited Texas in June, they'd wear a jacket! ;)

Unless Qatar really can air condition outdoor stadia with no roofs, there WILL be deaths (either players or spectators).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 03, 2010, 01:02:17 AM
So I'm guessing if your a manager who's say...struggling a little bit and you need a good deep run in the FA Cup to appease the masses.......the last thing you want to see is a road trip to Man Utd on the schedule in the 3rd round.


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Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 03, 2010, 07:19:40 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2010, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 02, 2010, 06:45:30 PM
The world gets Qatar.  The USA gets Air Qatar. :'(
This is a victory for diversity.  This will be the first World Cup to be hosted in the Middle East and in a Islamic country!

Ralph, I sort of agree.  BUT ... if a Qatari visited Texas in June, they'd wear a jacket! ;)

Unless Qatar really can air condition outdoor stadia with no roofs, there WILL be deaths (either players or spectators).

And the stadia will be built by laborers without the benefit of air-conditioning.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 03, 2010, 07:31:18 AM
Quote from: sac on December 03, 2010, 01:02:17 AM
So I'm guessing if your a manager who's say...struggling a little bit and you need a good deep run in the FA Cup to appease the masses.......the last thing you want to see is a road trip to Man Utd on the schedule in the 3rd round.


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No sympathy for that manager from this quarter.  He is where he is through his own efforts and managerial skill.

The FA Cup holds little chance for appeasement, especially as long as the tactics employed leave the side vulnerable to, say, a draw with League Two bottom-dwellers Northampton.  Man U or no Man U, there's very little joy in Hodgson's style of football.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 03, 2010, 08:33:46 AM
Another take on Roy Hodgson's tenure at Liverpool so far:

http://invinciblebastion.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/to-lie-or-not-to-lie/

The only change I would make would be to eliminate the word "likable" from the last paragraph.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 03, 2010, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on December 03, 2010, 07:19:40 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2010, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 02, 2010, 06:45:30 PM
The world gets Qatar.  The USA gets Air Qatar. :'(
This is a victory for diversity.  This will be the first World Cup to be hosted in the Middle East and in a Islamic country!

Ralph, I sort of agree.  BUT ... if a Qatari visited Texas in June, they'd wear a jacket! ;)

Unless Qatar really can air condition outdoor stadia with no roofs, there WILL be deaths (either players or spectators).

And the stadia will be built by laborers without the benefit of air-conditioning.

...and those laborers will likely come from other countries.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 03, 2010, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: sac on December 03, 2010, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on December 03, 2010, 07:19:40 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2010, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 02, 2010, 06:45:30 PM
The world gets Qatar.  The USA gets Air Qatar. :'(
This is a victory for diversity.  This will be the first World Cup to be hosted in the Middle East and in a Islamic country!

Ralph, I sort of agree.  BUT ... if a Qatari visited Texas in June, they'd wear a jacket! ;)

Unless Qatar really can air condition outdoor stadia with no roofs, there WILL be deaths (either players or spectators).

And the stadia will be built by laborers without the benefit of air-conditioning.

...and those laborers will likely come from other countries.

From a poster on The Tomkins Times who lives in Qatar:

"What Qatar may not be prepared for is the media coverage – remember that report on worker's conditions in Dubai – its exactly the same in Qatar. Population may be 1.7 m but nearly half of that are from abroad and not Qatari.

There is a huge Asian population in Qatar from India, Nepal, Phllipines etc and these are going to be the ones building these stadia, and in the blistering heat too. They wont be air conditioned when they are building them. I think there are going to be some high profile reporting on Qatar in the next 12 years which they are going to have to deal with – and that could be a good thing for Qatar."

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 05, 2010, 12:12:23 PM
"Mayor of London Boris Johnson cancels Fifa hotel stay".  Go Boris! 

Is Sepp Blatter scheduled to visit the US any time soon?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11921692
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2010, 03:02:24 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on December 05, 2010, 12:12:23 PM
"Mayor of London Boris Johnson cancels Fifa hotel stay".  Go Boris! 

Is Sepp Blatter scheduled to visit the US any time soon?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11921692

Now can David Cameron rescind their visas to even ENTER GB for the Olympics?! 8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 07, 2010, 11:08:04 PM
Now that the owners of the Boston Red Sox own Liverpool Football Club, a Red Sox blog site has put forth this primer on LFC and the EPL.  It's well done.  The rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone is first rate!

I especially like the comments on end-of-season playoffs. 

http://redsoxbeacon.com/2010/12/liverpool-fc-get-on-board/
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 17, 2010, 03:04:24 PM
Here's a version of You'll Never Walk Alone from the Last night of the Proms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sda3Dbu1AE4&feature=related

Song starts at 4:20
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 05, 2011, 12:02:20 AM
I've finally caught up to last weeks midweek games on my packed DVR.  Some good stuff from England.  I'm really enjoying watching Tottenham play, Gareth Bale and VanderVaart are joys to watch.  Actually I've really enjoyed most of the games, very few completely boring games.....Blackpool is pretty remarkable.

FoxSoccer is airing FA Cup games this weekend, including the Liverpool/ManU match early Sunday morning (7:30 I think, but don't take that to heart)



lose to Wolves?  Seriously, what does a guy have to do to get canned.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 05, 2011, 12:18:21 PM
Quote from: sac on January 05, 2011, 12:02:20 AM
I've finally caught up to last weeks midweek games on my packed DVR.  Some good stuff from England.  I'm really enjoying watching Tottenham play, Gareth Bale and VanderVaart are joys to watch.  Actually I've really enjoyed most of the games, very few completely boring games.....Blackpool is pretty remarkable.

FoxSoccer is airing FA Cup games this weekend, including the Liverpool/ManU match early Sunday morning (7:30 I think, but don't take that to heart)


Thanks for the heads up on the FA Cup matches this weekend.  I will have to set up my DVR!

As for the Totties, have you heard the rumors of Beckham joining Spurs on loan from the Galaxy?  That would be sweet to see Becks back in the EPL! And it would be a nice pickup for Spurs as well!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 05, 2011, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: sac on January 05, 2011, 12:02:20 AM

lose to Wolves?  Seriously, what does a guy have to do to get canned.

Lose to Blackburn maybe?  :'(

Pretty please???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 06, 2011, 09:32:51 AM
Quote from: sac on January 05, 2011, 12:02:20 AM

lose to Wolves?  Seriously, what does a guy have to do to get canned.

You watch, Liverpool will probably come out and beat United this weekend at Old Trafford in the FA Cup...  :-\

Also, I think the same question is now being asked about Carlo Ancelotti at Chelsea after their 1-0 loss to Wolves yesterday!  ;D

I can't believe how the tables have turned in the matter of a few weeks!  The Blues looked absolutely unstoppable in the first two months of the season and looked to make it a runaway.  Now, they are 9 points adrift of ManU after winning just 2 of their last 11 league matches and they have fallen to 5th in the table!  :o  And to make matters worse for Chelsea, ManU still has a game in hand on them!

ManU appears to be the ones on the verge of making the race a runaway now.  Yes, City is only 2 points behind, but ManU has TWO games in hand on City.  Arsenal is also now 4 points down and ManU has a game in hand on them as well.  Things are looking pretty good for the Red Devils right now.  8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 07, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 06, 2011, 09:32:51 AM
Quote from: sac on January 05, 2011, 12:02:20 AM

lose to Wolves?  Seriously, what does a guy have to do to get canned.

You watch, Liverpool will probably come out and beat United this weekend at Old Trafford in the FA Cup...  :-\


I'm away on a trip this weekend, but the Tivo is on.  If that happens, I'll be watching five days later. 

Can't believe Hodgson still hasn't been sacked after losing to Blackburn (after losing to Wolves).  Must be some shenanigans with the lawyers. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 09, 2011, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 07, 2011, 12:42:56 AM

I'm away on a trip this weekend, but the Tivo is on.  If that happens, I'll be watching five days later.

Can't believe Hodgson still hasn't been sacked after losing to Blackburn (after losing to Wolves).  Must be some shenanigans with the lawyers. 

Well, I have been neglecting to check in on this friendly little corner of the D3 forums due to a little coaching search up in Ann Arbor that has been keeping me preoccupied on other forums...   :P

Hoosier, when you return, I'm sure you will have lots to share on the whole Hodgson sacking.  I actually didn't even hear about it until I turned on the match this morning?!  Kenny Dalglish seems to me to be a good choice.  His boys played a pretty inspired match today despite being put behind the proverbial 8 ball not once but twice before the match even really got going.  Not that I'm complaining mind you, but the PK that Berbatov was awarded was questionable at best.  And I wasn't sure if Gerrard's foul warranted red, but if you go by the letter of the law, he did go in with both boots and it was pretty reckless.

But given the circumstances, I thought it could be argued that the Reds played one of their better matches of the season even in a losing effort. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 10, 2011, 02:09:42 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 09, 2011, 11:13:43 PM

Hoosier, when you return, I'm sure you will have lots to share on the whole Hodgson sacking.  I actually didn't even hear about it until I turned on the match this morning?!  Kenny Dalglish seems to me to be a good choice.  His boys played a pretty inspired match today despite being put behind the proverbial 8 ball not once but twice before the match even really got going.  Not that I'm complaining mind you, but the PK that Berbatov was awarded was questionable at best.  And I wasn't sure if Gerrard's foul warranted red, but if you go by the letter of the law, he did go in with both boots and it was pretty reckless.

But given the circumstances, I thought it could be argued that the Reds played one of their better matches of the season even in a losing effort. 

That's what I heard from all my Red friends.  After sleeping with the phone next to the bed so I could check Twitter whenever I got up, I almost missed the news right before takeoff on Saturday.  King Kenny was the only choice.

I heard that Stevie G's red was maybe not fully warrented, but stupid nonetheless.  And the current joke about the penalty is "Howard Webb MBE" stands for "Howard Webb--Manchester's Best Employee"!  After all, what color card did Nigel de Jong see from Webb after putting his cleats into Xabi Alonso's chest (and nearly his neck) at the World Cup?  :-\ (Answer:  no card at all).

The season can only go up from here.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 12, 2011, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 10, 2011, 02:09:42 AM
And the current joke about the penalty is "Howard Webb MBE" stands for "Howard Webb--Manchester's Best Employee"!  

Didn't know if you saw this photo yet or not:

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:D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 13, 2011, 08:12:26 PM
Have now completely caught up on my tivo'd games through Wednesday's Liverpool/Blackpool game.


Conclusion:  Liverpool's trouble's are not a fluke, not attitude, not tactics....they just need better players.

Dalglish is somewhat of a mythical figure to me, someone I've heard of but never seen as his years at Liverpool were long before I ever cared about English soccer.  So I'm pretty interested to see him in charge of Liverpool and how it works out.  Best of luck to him, they are a royal mess.

Otherwise I'm as interested as I've ever been in how the season plays out.



How about Crawley Town or Torquay advancing to the Round of 16 in the FA Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 23, 2011, 04:57:34 PM
Looks like the Dalglish move is paying off at Liverpool, comparing yesterday's 3-0 victory at Wolves with the loss to them 3-1 at Anfield just 26 days earlier.  The Reds were in nearly complete control, and all three goals were things of beauty.  The first was a pass and move play that could have come from Kenny's day, with a great ball from Raul Meireles to Fernando Torres.  The second is a candidate for goal of the season; a Wolves defender put the ball nicely onto Meireles's boot; he promptly planted it into the upper right corner of the net.  No number of defenders would have stopped that.  And the third goal, in the 90th minute, saw a chain of 31 consecutive Liverpool passes before Torres tapped it neatly in. 

Meireles was Man of the Match, a well deserved honor.  Honorary Woman of the Match was a linesman; she did a fine job.
The much-maligned (including by me) Christian Poulsen did a creditable job in a forward midfield position, especially in the first half.  And Meireles, usually played out of position by the now-departed Roy Hodgson, looks to be THE central midfielder at the moment.  I love Steven Gerrard, but I predict he'll be playing either on the wing or right behind Torres when he returns from his three-match ban after a silly red card.

The Howard Webb in a MU shirt went viral; re-tweeting it got Ryan Babel (evidently heading back to Holland soon) fined £10,000.  Freedom of speech?  Sense of humor?  Not at the FA.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on January 24, 2011, 09:51:41 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 23, 2011, 04:57:34 PM
The second is a candidate for goal of the season; a Wolves defender put the ball nicely onto Meireles's boot; he promptly planted it into the upper right corner of the net.  No number of defenders would have stopped that. 

That goal was definitely a thing of beauty! There have been several cracking goals this season, but that one would have to be at or near the top of the list for goal of the year for me as well. He made #2 on SportsCenter's top 10 plays of the day as well I believe.

BTW, Dimitar Berbatov became the 3rd player in EPL history to record at least 3 hat tricks in a season on Saturday!  In a season where Wayne Rooney has yet to get on track, Berbatov picked a great time to finally fulfill his expectations ManU had for him when they signed him.  His 18 goals is already a career high for him in the EPL and we're not even out of January yet.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 24, 2011, 06:00:37 PM
So did everyone see the news about the Sky Sports announcers who thought their mics were off?  Andy Gray and Richard Keys started discussing the presence of a female linesman before the Liverpool-Wolves match.  Keys said someone should go explain the offside rule to her, and Gray agreed, saying women don't understand offsides.  Of course, her first big call was the first Liverpool goal, which she got spot on, allowing Raul Meireles to continue the run that led to the Torres goal.

Here are the thoughts of Graham Poll, formerly England's top ref, now retired:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1349900/Richard-Keys-Andy-Gray-smug-sorry-sexist-jibe-Sian-Massey.html

This afternoon I'm seeing tweets that both have been sacked, with Gray being replaced by Sam Allardyce, of all people. 

Once when I was in Chile there was a World Cup qualifier, which I sat down to watch with about 30 (male) Chilenos.  I asked a friend what they call "offsides" in Spanish, and he replied, "Linda, offsides is when there is no defender between the attacker and the goal..."  It took a great effort to not to scream!  ::)

And, for the record, "offside" in Spanish is...offside. ;0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 31, 2011, 04:59:49 PM
Fernando Torres to Chelsea, 5 days before you play them even.

I'm running out of reasons to watch Liverpool. :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 31, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
Fast and furious

Andy Carroll to Liverpool from Newcastle  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 31, 2011, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2011, 04:59:49 PM
Fernando Torres to Chelsea, 5 days before you play them even.

I'm running out of reasons to watch Liverpool. :-\

By the end of the day, you got a couple of better reasons to watch them! (Although Carroll will be out for a couple of weeks yet).

I'd never experienced a transfer day like this one.  Good thing for me that I was giving tests today; I spent most of the time hitting refresh on Twitter! 

I was seriously bummed on Friday with the news of Chelsea's almost-last-minute move for Torres (and other adjectives than "bummed" come to mind).  Ceremoniously threw, one by one, several Torres buttons that I bought in Liverpool last summer into the trash.  He came in saying all the right things about the history of the club and the passion of the fans.  The club took care of him through many injuries and increased bouts of sulking, and then this.  It felt like getting dumped, and I was not the only one saying this.

But today we're moving on.  Suarez we knew was coming--he was in place to play with FT.  Andy Carroll absolutely killed Liverpool this year; one goal from a header and one he was just allowed to take because Hodgson had the defenders standing in a straight line. He seems to have (ahem) issues off the pitch, but hopefully he'll have a minder to help him adjust to life at LFC.

We were hoping for at least one midfielder--Charlie Adam from Blackpool was all lined up and ready to go but Spurs made a last-minute offer of more money; the deal was made too late, though.  Ashley Young was talked about but nothing happened.  Now it looks as though Stephen Warnock might still come on loan. 

The really big message is that Liverpool are BACK.  New owners with smarts, guts and money--check.  A knowledgeable manager who's the biggest legend in the club's history--check.  This year might be a wash, but things sure look better than they did a month ago.  And the summer transfer market will be interesting indeed.

My favorite tidbit of the day:  Paul Konchesky, one of the most reviled of the Hodgson signings, went on loan to Nottingham Forest, now a Championship side which has nonetheless won the Champions League.  Fernando Torres went, for £50 million, to Chelsea...which has not. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on February 01, 2011, 07:51:07 AM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
Fast and furious

Andy Carroll to Liverpool from Newcastle  :-\


Love Andy Carroll's game.  Can't understand why Newcastle didn't hold onto him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 01, 2011, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on February 01, 2011, 07:51:07 AM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
Fast and furious

Andy Carroll to Liverpool from Newcastle  :-\


Love Andy Carroll's game.  Can't understand why Newcastle didn't hold onto him.

$$ probably.  Didn't Ashley put the entire club up for sale for £100 million not too long ago?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 01, 2011, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on February 01, 2011, 07:51:07 AM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
Fast and furious

Andy Carroll to Liverpool from Newcastle  :-\


Love Andy Carroll's game.  Can't understand why Newcastle didn't hold onto him.

Read on BBC.uk somewhere that Newcastle rejected 2 offers from Liverpool, but after the 2nd offer Carroll turned in a transfer request.  So Newcastle tried to hang on to him but it sounds like Andy gave them little choice.


Torres is going to play vs Liverpool Sunday. :-X
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 01, 2011, 01:02:47 PM
Interesting piece looking at why Liverpool ponied up for Carroll:

http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/02/andy-carroll-is-he-worth-it/

There is speculation about whether the first card will go to Carragher or Skrtel for a hard challenge on Torres, or to him for diving!  Carroll won't be back for a couple of weeks, but Suarez is ready to go.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 06, 2011, 02:24:37 PM
Ouch!  Rough day for a couple of teams I support with long unbeaten runs coming to an end on the same day!   :(  

First ManU's historic unbeaten run in Premier League matches was abruptly halted by the bottom team on the tables no less?!

And then in hoops action, Wooster also lost for the first time yesterday?!

And it's not too often I pull for a Liverpool victory, but today was the exception!  What a win for the Reds at Stamford Bridge and with all the emotion surrounding Torres!  I didn't see the match but it doesn't sound like Torres had a successful debut.  And it looks like Chelsea's title hopes took a serious blow with the home loss.  They had a golden opportunity to pick up 3 points on league leading ManU, but the Blues failed to deliver.   8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 06, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
Wow, what a weekend in the EPL!  There were something like 126 goals scored at all levels in English football yesterday.  I turned on the live matches and found them boringly one-sided.  Turned off Arsenal-Newcastle at 4-0, got some lunch, went to take a nap and turned on the TV just in time to see Newcastle TIE at 4-4.  Amazing. 

Scots, sorry to see your team lose (as sorry as a Liverpool supporter can be--seriously!).  Wolves have now beaten Man U, Man City, Chelsea, and Liverpool, so they're definitely capable. I hope they can stay up.

I am absolutely thrilled with Liverpool's new owners and with the (old) new management under King Kenny.  John W Henry was very open:  Newcastle's ask for Andy Carroll set the price for Torres.  With the money received for Torres and Ryan Babel, Liverpool got Luis Suarez (already a match winner) and Andy Carroll for a net spend of £1.8 million.  Big change from the bad old days of Gillette and Hicks!

I wonder if Carlo Ancelotti made the choice to start all three of Drogba, Anelka, and Torres.  It didn't work at all, and Torres didn't look much more interested than he did at Anfield most matches this year.  Dalglish's tactics have worked a charm so far--four clean sheets in a row now.  The Reds end the weekend in sixth place, and fourth does not look so unreachable now.  And all the talk about "Will Torres celebrate..." looks really silly.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 07, 2011, 04:51:05 PM
Liverpool have looked so much better in defense, not nearly the number of shots getting through.

That and Miereles. :)



The Liverpool traveling fans drowned out the Chelsea side all day, I think they sang the whole game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 08, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 06, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
Wow, what a weekend in the EPL!  There were something like 126 goals scored at all levels in English football yesterday.  I turned on the live matches and found them boringly one-sided.  Turned off Arsenal-Newcastle at 4-0, got some lunch, went to take a nap and turned on the TV just in time to see Newcastle TIE at 4-4.  Amazing. 


What a game tying goal too.

Arsenal just lost composure, but Newcastle was a different team that half. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 09, 2011, 10:28:26 AM
Quote from: sac on February 08, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 06, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
Wow, what a weekend in the EPL!  There were something like 126 goals scored at all levels in English football yesterday.  I turned on the live matches and found them boringly one-sided.  Turned off Arsenal-Newcastle at 4-0, got some lunch, went to take a nap and turned on the TV just in time to see Newcastle TIE at 4-4.  Amazing. 


What a game tying goal too.


Arsenal just lost composure, but Newcastle was a different team that half. 

That it was! 

I was watching the highlights on Super Sunday Plus on FSC and they made mention that Arsenal was fortunate not to lose that game because they said that the Magpies had a good look at a 5th goal after their equalizer!  Too bad that didn't happen.  As crushing as losing a 4-0 lead and have to settle for a point already was for the Gunners, imagine how crushing LOSING that match would have been?  :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 09, 2011, 12:53:33 PM
I forget who it was but they scrapped one just by the post from about 20 yds a few moments after tying the game.

In the rally to tie, Newcastle also had a couple other pretty good chances.  It really was a rally out of nowhere.  For 60 minutes Newcastle looked beaten, the red card certainly changed things but Arsenal still should have won without much trouble.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 12, 2011, 04:04:09 PM
Wayne Rooney may just be back! 

His goal today vs. City was not only one of the great goals of this season, but arguably one of the greatest goals in the history of the Manchester Derby!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 15, 2011, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 12, 2011, 04:04:09 PM
Wayne Rooney may just be back! 

His goal today vs. City was not only one of the great goals of this season, but arguably one of the greatest goals in the history of the Manchester Derby!

Finally watched the game yesterday, Rooney's goal was spectacular.  One commentator called it the best goal he's seen in the EPL's relatively brief history.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 15, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
Fantastic result for Spurs today.  All without Bale.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 15, 2011, 08:51:50 PM
Quote from: Stinger on February 15, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
Fantastic result for Spurs today.  All without Bale.
What was with the headbutt?  On a 59-year-old coach?  I knew Gattuso was crazy but that is ridiculous.

I have the match on now and I'm waiting for the headbutt...feel like I should be watching WWF or something.

Anyway...happy for Peter Crouch.

EDIT:  Saw it.  Gattuso is crazier than I thought.  Spurs deserved the win; AC Milan looked a shadow of their former selves.  Somehow Crouchy always comes through in Europe.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 17, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
Anyone catch that Champs League match at The Emirates yesterday?  I missed it but caught highlights.  I would say by watching the highlights, that match certainly lived up to it's billing.  HUGE win for Arsenal btw. 

I still see Barca coming out of this tie on top, but Arsenal has to get a huge shot of confidence moving forward in the EPL race moving forward after knocking off the best club team in the world right now. 

It will be interesting to see if Arsenal can build off of this win or if they continue in their inconsistent play they've shown all year like blowing 4-0 leads on the road...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 17, 2011, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 17, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
Anyone catch that Champs League match at The Emirates yesterday?  I missed it but caught highlights.  I would say by watching the highlights, that match certainly lived up to it's billing.  HUGE win for Arsenal btw. 

I still see Barca coming out of this tie on top, but Arsenal has to get a huge shot of confidence moving forward in the EPL race moving forward after knocking off the best club team in the world right now. 

It will be interesting to see if Arsenal can build off of this win or if they continue in their inconsistent play they've shown all year like blowing 4-0 leads on the road...

We managed to record the second half.  I, too, would be surprised if Barca doesn't prevail, but it was a great match.  Arsenal really had them on the ropes.  That away goal may come back to haunt the Gunners, though.

Meanwhile, Liverpool-Sparta Prague reminded me just how dire European matches can be.  Sparta haven't lost a match in their domestic league this season, and Liverpool were without Suarez (cup-tied) and Gerrard, Agger, and Carroll (injury), so goals were always going to be scarce.  Hopefully Gerrard and Agger, at least, will be back for the Anfield visit next week.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on February 20, 2011, 03:01:19 PM
The Gunners couldn't manage to close the deal against Leyton Orient in the FA, letting in a leveling goal in the 89th minute.  They now face a return match against Leyton at The Emirates.

Several of Arsenal's first line players were on the bench today and a hand full of players that they did have on the pitch - Nicholas Bendtner - did not look entirely interested in the match.  None the less, they should have put this one away.  They can ill afford another match on an already over crowded fixture list.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 20, 2011, 04:40:53 PM
The goal by Leyton Orient's Tehoue was fabulous!  I know everyone's saying that Arsenal didn't give it their best shot, but outcomes like this are why the FA Cup is so fascinating. 

The FA match was another poor result for Chelsea, who went out to Everton on penalties.  Their Champions League tie with FC Copenhagen looms on Tuesday.  Wonder who Abramovich Ancelotti will put out as a strike force?  Must be a pain trying to manage with an owner breathing down his neck.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 21, 2011, 09:02:25 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on February 20, 2011, 03:01:19 PM
The Gunners couldn't manage to close the deal against Leyton Orient in the FA, letting in a leveling goal in the 89th minute.  They now face a return match against Leyton at The Emirates.

Several of Arsenal's first line players were on the bench today and a hand full of players that they did have on the pitch - Nicholas Bendtner - did not look entirely interested in the match.  None the less, they should have put this one away.  They can ill afford another match on an already over crowded fixture list.

Does Nicholas Bendtner ever look interested in a match?  ::)  In my book, he's one of the most overrated players in all of soccer.  Dudes a complete headcase as he lets the fans get into his head too easily.  And when I'm talking fans, I'm talking Arsenal fans.


Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 20, 2011, 04:40:53 PM
The goal by Leyton Orient's Tehoue was fabulous!  I know everyone's saying that Arsenal didn't give it their best shot, but outcomes like this are why the FA Cup is so fascinating. 

The FA match was another poor result for Chelsea, who went out to Everton on penalties.  Their Champions League tie with FC Copenhagen looms on Tuesday.  Wonder who Abramovich Ancelotti will put out as a strike force?  Must be a pain trying to manage with an owner breathing down his neck.

As for Arsenal not being able to get the job done with many of their regulars on the bench, they'd better figure out how or else they won't be playing for anything.  Arsenal shouldn't need to call on their starters to get a win over teams like Leyton Orient.  But, that is also part of the beauty of the FA Cup in that, the underdogs always seem to rise up in the big matches.


Agree on both points Hoosier.  I love when the Davids rise up and go toe to toe with the Goliaths.  Another good match was the ManU Crawley Town.  Although I was totally pulling for ManU, part of me was hoping Crawley could continue their unbelievable run as they were already the first non-league squad to reach the round of 16 in over 10 years and they gave ManU all they could handle at Old Trafford no less.  In fact, Crawley's supporters were far more vocal throughout the match than the home side fans.

As for Chelsea, I can't say I am sorry to see them eliminated.  ;D  Goes to show, just because you have deep pockets as an owner doesn't always translate into success.  Meddling owners with deep pockets almost always have difficulty.  Their mistake?  Not letting their managers do the jobs they were hired to do.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 21, 2011, 12:00:53 PM
We're going to Vegas baby!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leyton_orient/9403332.stm
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 21, 2011, 12:03:46 PM
Quarter-final draw

Stoke v West Ham or Burnley
Man City or Aston Villa v Everton or Reading
Birmingham v Bolton
Manchester United v Leyton Orient or Arsenal


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on February 27, 2011, 01:09:58 PM
Positively shocking result at Wembley.  The lack of communication between Szczesny and Kosicelny completely destroys the Gunners against a Birmingham squad that they should have never lost to. :'(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 28, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on February 27, 2011, 01:09:58 PM
Positively shocking result at Wembley.  The lack of communication between Szczesny and Kosicelny completely destroys the Gunners against a Birmingham squad that they should have never lost to. :'(

Watched this last night, pretty unreal.  The term 'on a silver platter' came to mind.  The other two goals were really great.

You have to feel good for Birmingham though, first major trophy in 48 years.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 28, 2011, 11:01:28 PM
Beat Barcelona, draw with Leyton Orient, lose to Birmingham City in a cup final.  What's up, Arsenal?  I want you to be my "other" PL side, but you're not very consistent.  Think AW needs to spring for a new keeper.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 01, 2011, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 28, 2011, 11:01:28 PM
Beat Barcelona, draw with Leyton Orient, lose to Birmingham City in a cup final.  What's up, Arsenal?  I want you to be my "other" PL side, but you're not very consistent.  Think AW needs to spring for a new keeper.

Keeper has been a problem for the Gunners for years. 

And as I questioned if Arsenal could build off that win over Barca in the Champs League, I guess the Gunners have answered that with a resounding nope...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 02, 2011, 12:22:25 AM
Guess the EPL is still a race after tonight.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on March 02, 2011, 09:38:14 AM
.....and losing Vidic to the red card will make life interesting along the Man United back line.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on March 08, 2011, 05:18:58 PM
....and yet again the Gunners fail their test at Nou Camp. :'(

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 08, 2011, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on March 02, 2011, 09:38:14 AM
.....and losing Vidic to the red card will make life interesting along the Man United back line.

How prophetic you were...   :(  Not having Rio back there makes things rough enough, but going up against an inspired Liverpool squad at Anfield without two of your best defenders, and you get the result that occurred...

So, now ManU's once fairly comfy lead atop the table is down to 3 with Arsenal still having a game in hand.  Thankully, that game in hand is a London Derby at White Hart Lane to take on Spurs who already have beaten the Gunners at the Emirates.

Things will only be heating up even more between the two teams at the top of the tables when they Square off Saturday in the semis of the FA Cup!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2011, 03:56:17 PM
Nice article in this week's SI (unfortunately not on SI.com) about Charlie Davies (who was so terribly injured riding with a drunk driver about 16 months ago).  He's on loan from his European club to D. C. United.  Word is that his speed and strength are back to 100%, but he hasn't yet got his timing or 'instincts' fully recovered - one teammate calls him overall back 70-75%.

Great news for him (initially it wasn't at all certain he would ever even walk again) and for the World Cup team in 2014.  Supposedly he and Altidore complemented each other beautifully before the accident.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on March 12, 2011, 07:39:47 AM
Given the roller coaster of recent events, todays match against Manchester is a massive test of the mettle of the Gunners!

Go you Gooners!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on March 12, 2011, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on March 12, 2011, 07:39:47 AM
Given the roller coaster of recent events, todays match against Manchester is a massive test of the mettle of the Gunners!

Go you Gooners!


....the horror.........the horror.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on March 18, 2011, 12:11:24 PM
Watched the replay of the Real Madrid-Lyon Champions League match last night.  Madrid hardly looked spectacular.  Lyon, on the other hand, looked miserable.  When faced with the opportunity to pass the ball to the open team mate or the Madrid defender, the Lyon players appeared to invariably choose to pass to the Madrid defender.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on March 22, 2011, 08:09:23 AM
....they call me "the thread killer."   8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 22, 2011, 07:27:39 PM
A weekend of NCAA basketball tournament games has backed up the soccer on my DVR, at last check 9 games, 2 preview shows and 5 highlights shows in the waiting.

I just finished watching Liverpool/ManU from a couple weekends ago. :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on April 01, 2011, 11:13:28 AM
Very good news for the Gooners if it actually comes to pass.  According to the BBC Football gossip column:

German centre-back Per Mertesacker is set to join Arsenal in the summer after the general manager of his current club Werder Bremen, Klaus Allofs, indicated the international could leave.


;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 15, 2011, 02:35:22 PM
Finally got to watch Liverpool with both Carrol and Suarez in the lineup vs Man City.  I approve.    :D


Fox Soccer is broadcasting the ManU/ManCity FA Cup on Saturday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on April 15, 2011, 03:41:36 PM
Questioning your priorities, Sac.

I have enjoyed watching the various replays of the Chelsea loss to Man United in the CL.

Few things give me as much pleasure as watching Drogba and Terry lose.   ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 16, 2011, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on April 15, 2011, 03:41:36 PM
Questioning your priorities, Sac.

I have enjoyed watching the various replays of the Chelsea loss to Man United in the CL.

Few things give me as much pleasure as watching Drogba and Terry lose.   ;D

Carrol looked really good, although City played equally bad in that match.

If they don't bring a better effort for the FA Cup Semis today, United will thrash them.  Also, Tevez is questionable for today's match as well.  Doesn't bode well for City's hopes.

I've got he DVR set to record!  8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 16, 2011, 10:23:17 AM
I think sac's priorities are right on!  :)

Suarez has been a delight from the very first game, and while it took Andy Carroll a few matches to get into the flow after injury, he, Kuyt, and Suarez are starting to link up nicely.  Things are looking good for Liverpool.  The summer transfer window will hopefully bring more top-quality additions.

I do agree that Man City were shockingly poor.  If you'd told me they were, say, West Ham I'd have believed you.

One thing makes me even happier than seeing Terry lose:  seeing Fernando Torres whiff in front of goal.  Should this continue, at some point I'll start feeling sorry for him, but I'm not there yet.  Someone has posted this:  http://hastorresscoredforchelsea.com/

And then there are new words to the ABBA song, "Fernando:"

We've got Carroll in the air tonight, he shows more fight, Fernando;
And Luis displays more skill, he always will, Fernando;
Though we always hoped that we'd never lose you, there's no regrets;
If we had to do the same again, we would, old friend, Fernando.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2011, 02:58:27 PM
No European league, more like second division Colombian...

Goalkeeper Quinonez Wilson's 83-meter goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo71KKnf1-A).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 17, 2011, 04:00:24 PM
That's an amazing goal!! :o  I wonder if he actually intended it as a shot?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 18, 2011, 11:53:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 17, 2011, 04:00:24 PM
That's an amazing goal!! :o  I wonder if he actually intended it as a shot?

I'm sure in the stories he'll tell, he intended it as a shot.   ;)   :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 18, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
No doubt. ;)

The very first goal I ever scored in a game (about age 44 8-)), I admitted was intended as a set-up pass for a teammate coming up the left flank - it sailed right under the crossbar.  Everyone was quite amazed I would be naive enough to admit it! :o  (Fortunately, I scored an intended goal later the same game.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 19, 2011, 10:24:52 AM
Hoosier, I forgot to ask how you liked that finish of that Arsenal/Liverpool match at the Emirates on Sunday?   :o

Talk about a whacky end to a match?!

I can't stand Arsene Wenger so to see his whiny reaction after the final whistle was priceless.  And when Dalglish came over to shake hands after the match, Wenger had some comments and I could read Kenny's lips as he told Wenger to piss off and turned and walked away!  Classic stuff!  :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 19, 2011, 08:30:58 PM
My DVR stopped recording just as Lucas was awarded the penalty. >:(


Stoke City makes the FA Cup Final, I've enjoyed watching a lot of their home games, great fans.  The beauty of the match up with Man City is that between now and then Stoke fans will be big Man City fans, because if Man City qualify for the Champions league, it means Stoke will get the Europa league spot by being in the FA Cup final.

If Man City fail to make top 4, Stoke would have to win the Cup to make the Europa League.   BUT, in a strange oddity, Stoke and Man City are (re)schedule to play each other 3 days after the FA Cup......which could put Stoke in the position of being able to lose the cup, then lose to Man City to help them secure Champions League and thus themselves Europa League,....... stay tuned for that, apparently its a bit of a controversy, esp. for those on the north side of London.




I'm sorry to see Blackpool in the bottom 3, I was really pulling for them, but they've been just terrible since Christmas.  I think the writing might be on the wall for them.

Newcastle, Stoke, @ Tottenham, Bolton, @ Man U

Pretty hard to envision them getting enough points to survive with that remaining.




On the otherside of the promotion/demotion game.  Queen's Park Rangers are within 3 points of clinching automatic promotion to the EPL.  After that it looks like it might come right down to the wire between Cardiff, Norwich, Reading and I'll even through Swansea in that mix being just 5 back.  No less than I'll say 6 or even more teams can still make the playoffs after the above group.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 19, 2011, 08:41:52 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 19, 2011, 10:24:52 AM
Hoosier, I forgot to ask how you liked that finish of that Arsenal/Liverpool match at the Emirates on Sunday?   :o

Talk about a whacky end to a match?!

I can't stand Arsene Wenger so to see his whiny reaction after the final whistle was priceless.  And when Dalglish came over to shake hands after the match, Wenger had some comments and I could read Kenny's lips as he told Wenger to piss off and turned and walked away!  Classic stuff!  :D

Can't tell you when I've been so chuffed at a 1-1 draw, Scots!  The "wee man" (Spearing) had played so well, along with the two teenaged fullbacks, Jamie Carragher went off under oxygen, and then to give up the penalty.  It was feeling really harsh.  Arsenal have no one to blame--they wasted time celebrating and Eboue was clumsy at best when he had no reason to be.  I enjoyed the Kenny-Whinger confrontation too.  And Kenny had a smile on his face the whole time!

I love many things about Arsenal, but they simply haven't been good enough this season, and Wenger has to face up to that.  That said, I'm cheering for them to beat Spurs tomorrow.  Fifth isn't out of the question for Liverpool!  Some of my hardest-core LFC friends are saying that they should pass on the Europa Cup, but I think some Europe is better than none.  Next year, back in the CL for sure!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 19, 2011, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: sac on April 19, 2011, 08:30:58 PM
My DVR stopped recording just as Lucas was awarded the penalty. >:(


Stoke City makes the FA Cup Final, I've enjoyed watching a lot of their home games, great fans.  The beauty of the match up with Man City is that between now and then Stoke fans will be big Man City fans, because if Man City qualify for the Champions league, it means Stoke will get the Europa league spot by being in the FA Cup final.

If Man City fail to make top 4, Stoke would have to win the Cup to make the Europa League.   BUT, in a strange oddity, Stoke and Man City are (re)schedule to play each other 3 days after the FA Cup......which could put Stoke in the position of being able to lose the cup, then lose to Man City to help them secure Champions League and thus themselves Europa League,....... stay tuned for that, apparently its a bit of a controversy, esp. for those on the north side of London.




I'm sorry to see Blackpool in the bottom 3, I was really pulling for them, but they've been just terrible since Christmas.  I think the writing might be on the wall for them.

Newcastle, Stoke, @ Tottenham, Bolton, @ Man U

Pretty hard to envision them getting enough points to survive with that remaining.




On the otherside of the promotion/demotion game.  Queen's Park Rangers are within 3 points of clinching automatic promotion to the EPL.  After that it looks like it might come right down to the wire between Cardiff, Norwich, Reading and I'll even through Swansea in that mix being just 5 back.  No less than I'll say 6 or even more teams can still make the playoffs after the above group.

It's been an interesting year in the Championship as well as the  Premiership (although I wish Liverpool's had been a little less "interesting" with the Hodgson experiment.)  Would be nice to see QPR in the top flight.

Lucas was my Man of the Match.  It was a tossup between him and Spearing, but Lucas won the penalty while Jay gave one away.  It's shocking how much stick Lucas has taken until very recently--Robbie Savage (remember him?) is now a commentator and a couple of months ago labeled Lucas the "worse Brazilian ever."  Seems the national side don't agree, as Lucas is a regular starter for Brazil.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on April 20, 2011, 12:02:49 PM
I love the Gooners, but more than once as I listened to his post-match moaning have had the desire to tell Arsene to "piss off!"
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 21, 2011, 10:07:34 AM
Joe, being the Arsenal supporter you are, are you ready to see the Gunners go in a new direction and part ways with Wenger?

I mean, on one hand, he's always got Arsenal placed in the top 4 of the EPL and qualifying for the Champs League.  But, on the other hand, it's been quite a drought since the Gunners landed any hardware.  Things were looking up this year as it seemed the Gunners would at least bring home the Carling Cup, but Wenger managed to choke that one away too.  And what once was a possibility of bringing home a treble, is now just a fleeting hope of catching United for the EPL crown. 

Just wondering how your overall feelings on Wenger were and if you feel it might just be time for Arsenal to part ways with Wenger after yet another season ending in disappointment and without any hardware?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 21, 2011, 03:01:15 PM
Another interesting handshake yesterday with Harry Redknapp, only I think Harry kept the ''piss off" to himself.



So Real Madrid win the Copa del Rey for the first time since 1993, then drop it under the celebration bus.

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Sergio-Ramos-dropped-Copa-del-Rey-trophy-under-m?urn=sow-wp1029
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on April 21, 2011, 06:40:28 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 21, 2011, 10:07:34 AM
Joe, being the Arsenal supporter you are, are you ready to see the Gunners go in a new direction and part ways with Wenger?

He either needs to make the decision to bring in some players with some steel in their games to compliment the offensive wunderkind that he has brought together, or it is going to be time to part ways.  Is Sam Allardyce available?   ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 21, 2011, 07:34:08 PM
Quote from: sac on April 21, 2011, 03:01:15 PM
Another interesting handshake yesterday with Harry Redknapp, only I think Harry kept the ''piss off" to himself.



So Real Madrid win the Copa del Rey for the first time since 1993, then drop it under the celebration bus.

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Sergio-Ramos-dropped-Copa-del-Rey-trophy-under-m?urn=sow-wp1029

I saw that this morning on ESPN's First Take and they were like, could you imagine the team that won Lord Stanley's Cup doing that???    :o

There's bound to be some soccer jokes out there about how soccer players can't even hold up 30 lb trophies or something along those lines...  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 21, 2011, 08:34:04 PM
Any player dropping Lord Stanley's Cup under a bus would NEVER dare take the ice again!  Aside from the ridicule, he would likely not survive the game. ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 21, 2011, 09:25:31 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on April 21, 2011, 07:34:08 PM

There's bound to be some soccer jokes out there about how soccer players can't even hold up 30 lb trophies or something along those lines...  ;)

I just said it's a good thing he doesn't play American football, basketball, or baseball.  He sure ain't a shortstop!

A friend who's lived in Chile for many years pointed out that, in Spanish, one can say "Se cayo'" which literally means "it fell itself". You can note the disaster without including yourself in the sentence even if it is your fault.  Sergio Ramos has probably already used that linguistic quirk as an excuse.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on April 22, 2011, 10:11:09 AM
The Stanley Cup is not a very good example.  The Stanley Cup has been abandoned in a cab, abandoned at roadsides, eaten out of, urinated in (hopefully not at the same time), dented on numerous occasions, sunk at the bottom of a pool, and Lord knows what else.

The Copa Del Rey made out light relative to Lord Stanley's Cup.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 22, 2011, 10:27:25 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on April 22, 2011, 10:11:09 AM
The Stanley Cup is not a very good example.  The Stanley Cup has been abandoned in a cab, abandoned at roadsides, eaten out of, urinated in (hopefully not at the same time), dented on numerous occasions, sunk at the bottom of a pool, and Lord knows what else.


With hockey players, one never knows!  ;)

Imagine if Iker Casillas had been the one to drop it!  He'd never get another game in goal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 24, 2011, 09:11:54 PM
Of course, one never truly knows if you have the "real" Stanley Cup or the facsimile.  Only the man with the white gloves really knows.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on April 24, 2011, 09:12:47 PM
2-1 loss to Bolton.  Forget what I said earlier.  He's done at the end of the season.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 24, 2011, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on April 24, 2011, 09:12:47 PM
2-1 loss to Bolton.  Forget what I said earlier.  He's done at the end of the season.

It's become too predictable, hasn't it?  Like others, I'm concerned about the man's mental health.

Don't look now, but the race for positions 3-6 is becoming very interesting.  Arsenal are now third but appear to be in free fall.  Man City have played 32 games and lead Spurs by a single point; Spurs have played 33 and lead Liverpool by three points; Liverpool have played 34 games and now lead Spurs in goal differential.  On paper LFC would seem to have the easiest run-in, with Newcastle and Spurs at Anfield and away to Fulham and Aston Villa.  Man City have to play Spurs on 10 May, then the FA Cup final v. Stoke on the 14th, then Stoke again at Stoke on the 17th.  They should have a deep enough bench to pull it off, but it's a tight schedule.  Spurs have to go to Stamford Bridge, City, and Anfield...a tough row to hoe at any time of year.

Liverpool fans are thinking about what could have been if only Kenny Dalglish had been brought in a month earlier, but there's still plenty to play for in the season we have.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 25, 2011, 10:39:10 AM
From Twitter: "A stat for #arsenal fans. Before Wenger, you finished top four in 23 out of 92 seasons. Under him, it is 14 out of 14."

In case anyone wants to hear what a Scouse accent sounds like, here's a quick "Who is More Scouse?" quiz of Pepe Reina and Dirk Kuyt.  So you can hear proper Scouse (the interviewer), Spanish Scouse, and Dutch Scouse.  And you'll know why we always have communication problems in Liverpool!

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/video-who-s-more-scouse?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on April 25, 2011, 10:18:30 PM
Great story in the Times about Ryan Giggs:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/26/sports/soccer/26vecsey.html?ref=sports
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on April 25, 2011, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on April 25, 2011, 10:39:10 AM
From Twitter: "A stat for #arsenal fans. Before Wenger, you finished top four in 23 out of 92 seasons. Under him, it is 14 out of 14."


Yeah, I am trying to come to grips with that.   He's been extraordinary.  But is he still able to reach the summit????
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 02, 2011, 08:47:37 AM
Arsenal 1 - Man United 0

Good to see Arsenal finally win a match of some consequence.  It was a tremendous result for the boys.  Somewhat suprised that Man United did not respond with greater ferocity affter the Gunners scored their goal in the second half.

In spite of the victory, Arshavin's play left me scratching my head.  He looked to be very easy to knock off the ball during his time on the pitch.

Even if the result might improve the chances of Chelsea to win the league.  It was a win against a top flight club, and it helped to secure the Gunners CL bid for next fall.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 05, 2011, 10:25:22 AM
Man U. dispatched Schalke to set up a great contest between United and Barca in the CL final at Wembley.  Should be a great match!

I hope Jose enjoys the show.   ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 05, 2011, 12:47:43 PM
Norwich won promotion to the EPL yesterday, a remarkable feat of being promoted 2 years in a row.  Hopefully their time in the EPL goes better this time.

QPR has their big meeting Friday, and could potentially be docked enough points to push them into the playoffs rather than automatic promotion.  Stay tuned.

Playoffs look like Cardiff, Swansea, Reading and Nottingham Forest  .......I suppose Cardiff moves into promotion if QPR are docked enough points.

Leeds  are going to miss out, they need to win and make up a 6 goal difference to sneak in, not going to happen.  They grabbed only 5 points from their last 6 matches, terrible time to have a bad run.

I'm rooting for Cardiff,

A) because it would be new blood in the EPL

B) the summer reading about how they want to move their games, or some games to the Millenium Stadium should be interesting.



...Chelsea v Man U Sunday, kind of important.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 05, 2011, 01:11:05 PM
Quote from: sac on May 05, 2011, 12:47:43 PM

...Chelsea v Man U Sunday, kind of important.

To be officiated by Howard Webb, MBE (Manchester's Best Employee).  :D  Should be interesting.

At least the CL final should be between two sides who play football.  Jose's Real Madrid side was utterly appalling.  For me, Carvalho, Diarra, and Adebayor were still totally out of control in the rematch.  And I'm forced to agree with Cristiano Ronaldo that Javier Mascherano was not such a blatant diver when he was at Liverpool.  Hard for me to see the final as anything but a Barca win, but then I also said there was no way the US would ever beat Spain!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 05, 2011, 01:32:28 PM
If Nani, Hernandez, and Park are on top of their games, they could make it interesting against Barca.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 06, 2011, 02:07:20 PM
QPR decision put on hold....which makes no one happy

Mourinho receives 5 match European ban

ManU v Chelsea, Sunday still important.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 06, 2011, 02:53:32 PM
Quote from: sac on May 06, 2011, 02:07:20 PM
QPR decision put on hold....which makes no one happy


How on earth can the FA justify that?  There's only one regular match left in the season?

Are they an automatic?  Are they in the playoffs?  Why would you leave all of these issues hanging?  Is there more information that they expect to learn?

ABSURD!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 07, 2011, 09:12:15 PM
It's official, QPR is promoted as Champions

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13318784.stm


It'll be Swansea vs Nottingham Forrest and Cardiff vs Reading in the playoffs.



Blackpool nearly beat Tottenham, a win might have kept them up, the draw is probably more than most thought they'd get.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 07, 2011, 10:39:53 PM
Hope Blackpool stays up.  Like the way they play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 08, 2011, 12:09:11 PM
Stoke 3 - Arsenal 1   >:( ??? :'(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 08, 2011, 03:27:48 PM
ManU 2 - Chelsea 1, but it never seemed close.

As a Gunner fan this was the less horrendous of the two options.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 10, 2011, 05:33:37 PM
With yesterday's result:  Liverpool 5 Fulham 2
and today's result:  Man City 1 Tottenham 0 

Liverpool are now in a position to qualify for the EuroLeague, being 2 points ahead of Tottenham.   Back in October that seemed unrealistic.

.....and of course

Tottenham at Liverpool this Sunday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 13, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
both Championship semi-finals end up 0-0 .......how exciting. ::)

Fortunately someone has to win, hopefully not because of PK's.


Interesting weekend coming up, all the relegation fighters have pretty tough games with Wigan also playing West Ham in a relegation death match.  If West Ham win, things might get really interesting with the right set of results.

Blackpool need to beat Bolton and hope Blackburn, Birmingham or Wolves stumble.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 16, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
poor West Ham, 2-0 lead and let it slip from their grasp.....off to the Championship they go.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 16, 2011, 08:21:44 AM
Beginning with the horrible collision in the last minutes of the Carling Final, the Gunners have been on a slow, painful, infuriating, descent.  From where they were at the moment that Szczesny and Koscielny came together they will likely only fall to fourth on the table, but I suspect that is only because there are no more games to play.

Thanks for the memories, Arsene.  It is time to move on.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 16, 2011, 07:03:14 PM
It happened again........only this time its a little more funny and less tragic. (of course it was pretty funny when it happened to Real).    Quit dropping trophies guys.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13418295.stm


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 16, 2011, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: sac on May 16, 2011, 07:03:14 PM
It happened again........only this time its a little more funny and less tragic. (of course it was pretty funny when it happened to Real).    Quit dropping trophies guys.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13418295.stm


And a goalkeeper, at that!  :D

Actually, this whole dropping trophies thing is something of a metaphor for the EPL season. Lowest points total for a winner since when? 98, 99?  At times it has seemed that no one wanted it.

Interesting that Ajax won their league.   That makes Liverpool's Luis Suarez a medal winner, the first in a long time for the Reds.

Fascinating debate on Liverpool sites:  is the Europa League desirable or not?  Given that it necessitates playing Thursday-Sunday and stretches some squads which are already thin, do we want it?  Harry Redknapp was suggesting in the press last week that perhaps he, for Spurs, did not.  The discussion goes on, as will the competition until next weekend.  Also, given that around New Year's Liverpool were flirting with relegation, everyone is happy even to be in competition for Europe.  Next year will bring that golden dawn, and the song of the lark!

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 18, 2011, 02:29:51 AM
It's a trophy mishap epidemic........only not restricted to soccer players this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s40NJr9fLA&feature=player_embedded


That was Pasi Nurminen the goaltender coach for Finland who won the Hockey World Championship this weekend.  By his attire, his 'escort' and the lunge into the trophy, I'm guessing there may have been an open bar on the plane ride home.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 18, 2011, 12:06:07 PM
Wow!  That looks like it might have required stitches! 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 19, 2011, 05:01:54 PM
My local internet provider is now providing access to ESPN 3 and the myriad of La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Eredivise, Serie A, and Portugese league football games that it offers.

It's like Christmas in May!!!! ;D

God Bless Us, Everyone!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 24, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
Fare Thee Well, Blackpool.  You will be missed.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 24, 2011, 05:02:59 PM
I see that Freddy Adu has been selected for the Gold Cup team.  This may be about his last chance to ever make it big - but you really hate to give up on a guy who's still a week shy of 22.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 25, 2011, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 24, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
Fare Thee Well, Blackpool.  You will be missed.

Indeed, I will miss them.  I would trade them with Wigan in a heartbeat, maybe even Wolves.  Also.........poor, poor Birmingham, what a terrible last day they had.


Rooting for Swansea now, mostly because I just like saying it and I once knew someone who visited Swansea.  They've almost sold out their allotment of tickets for Wembley next Monday (39,000).  Their home stadium only holds 20,000 but is relatively new and modern.

I've decided if they make it I'll refer to them as the the 'Jacks' rather than 'Swans'.........that's quite an out of the way trip for the rest of the EPL.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 27, 2011, 09:55:49 AM
Champion's League Finals Prediction

Barca 3 - Man Utd 1

Barca Goals:  Messi, Messi, Xavi
Man U Goal:  Park

Man of the Match:  Messi
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 30, 2011, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 27, 2011, 09:55:49 AM
Champion's League Finals Prediction

Barca 3 - Man Utd 1

Barca Goals:  Messi, Messi, Xavi
Man U Goal:  Park

Man of the Match:  Messi

Excellent prediction, almost as excellent as Barcelona were.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 30, 2011, 04:09:42 PM
Swansea go up with a 4-2 win over Reading.  Sounds like they play a similar style to Blackpool.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 30, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: sac on May 30, 2011, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 27, 2011, 09:55:49 AM
Champion's League Finals Prediction

Barca 3 - Man Utd 1

Barca Goals:  Messi, Messi, Xavi
Man U Goal:  Park

Man of the Match:  Messi

Excellent prediction, almost as excellent as Barcelona were.

It wasn't as close as the score, was it?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 01, 2011, 02:52:25 PM
Here's a nice (and long, uh very long) piece written by a hockey blogger about a trip to England where he followed his favorite EPL team, Blackpool, for a couple games at the end of this season.


part 1
http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3633

part 2
http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3634

I might have to check back to see if there's a part 3.  It seems to end abruptly, but it does have a happy ending.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 06:31:08 PM
For some unknown reason, my computer is no longer allowing me to cut-and-paste, but if you go to Yahoo Sports you should be able to track down the story: Martin Rogers is predicting that the current FIFA corruption scandals may lead to a re-vote for the 2022 World Cup, with Qatar banned and the US favored.

My gut hunch is that FIFA is WAY too corrupt to go that route - Qatar bought that vote 'fair and square'. :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 02, 2011, 08:00:28 AM
Mexican National Team Update:

What was billed as "The New Era" by Univision begins with these 2 finals:

Ecuador 1, Mexico 1

Mexico 3, New Zealond 0 

(C Blanco's heirs are holding their own --last this poster heard he's been toiling for Irapuato--2nd Division of Mexican League)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 02, 2011, 08:16:14 PM
A follow-up.  Grant Wahl (SI.com) also thinks the US still may have a shot at the 2022 WC, and explains why the US has not come out publicly against the scumbag Blatter.  I wish I could give the links, and have been unable to determine why I can't. :P

Both a computer and a version of Explorer (Firefox will no longer run :o) dating to approximately the 1800s are leading suspects! :o ;D)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on June 04, 2011, 04:07:48 PM
U.S v. Espana - I've got a bad feeling about this.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 05, 2011, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 04, 2011, 04:07:48 PM
U.S v. Espana - I've got a bad feeling about this.

You were right to have a bad feeling about that.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 05, 2011, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: sac on June 05, 2011, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 04, 2011, 04:07:48 PM
U.S v. Espana - I've got a bad feeling about this.

You were right to have a bad feeling about that.

I guess the Spanish learned about resting people when they lost to the US in South Africa.  Was it as bad as the score looked? 

I'm in England, and the English team looked very poor in a 2-2 draw with Switzerland.  They were down 2-0 and managed to draw back even thanks to a penalty earned by Jack Wilshere and taken by Frank Lampard, and then a nice goal by Ashley Young.  Young came on for Lampard in the second half.  Lots of talk about the so-called "golden generation" -- Lampard, Terry, Ferdinand, etc-- being past it.  Not a good ending to the international season.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on June 05, 2011, 09:40:23 PM
HT,

I only watched the first half.  It was a clinic.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 06, 2011, 04:52:13 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 05, 2011, 09:40:23 PM
HT,

I only watched the first half.  It was a clinic.

It sounded like it.  Oh, and a widescreen HD TV is definitely in the future for my house when we return.  We're spoiled (or should I say spoilt?) beyond belief.  Our old TV is going to look like those little fishbowls I remember from the 1950s.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 06, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
Gold Cup round-up:

Costa Rica 5, Cuba 0
Mexico 5, El Salvador 0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 06, 2011, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on June 06, 2011, 04:52:13 AM

It sounded like it.  Oh, and a widescreen HD TV is definitely in the future for my house when we return.  We're spoiled (or should I say spoilt?) beyond belief.  Our old TV is going to look like those little fishbowls I remember from the 1950s.


Lucky for you Sharp just came out with a 70 inch LED HDTV.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 10, 2011, 05:43:03 AM
6/09 Gold Cup finals:

Costa Rica 1, El Salvador 1
Mexico 5, Cuba 0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 12, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
I don't usually post about the MLS, mostly because I don't watch it, but this was an awesome goal.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsnQxdPhskI&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 16, 2011, 01:28:33 PM
Speaking of goals, did anyone happen to catch this one from Italy:

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/what-the-fox?vid=1309064e-f4f3-4913-8b4c-1292aff240d0&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=39002 (http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/what-the-fox?vid=1309064e-f4f3-4913-8b4c-1292aff240d0&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=39002)

One of the luckiest goals you will ever see I think!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 16, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
ScotsFan, I did see that somewhere before (can't recall where).  What Fox didn't include is that it was not only lucky, but VERY important - the two teams were competing to avoid relegation, and the loser was indeed relegated! :o  OUCH - what a way to go down!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 16, 2011, 05:00:01 PM
2011-12 EPL fixtures are announced tomorrow at 9:00 British Daylight Time. It's about time for some action on that front or the transfer market.  Liverpool fans are getting very het up about the design of the new third strip released today:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/new-third-kit-for-2011-12

It has BLUE on it.  Actually, the release says it's "cyan" and thus does not make the players look like they play for Everton, Chelsea, or Manchester City.  And anyway, Everton's secondary uniforms are a kind of salmony pink, and pink is really a shade of red, so it doesn't really matter...or does it?  These are the things we obsess about when there isn't any other news. :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 18, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
Gold Cup final just in:

Mexico 2, Guatemala 1 

(This time, El Tri comes from behind with 2 second half goals to take it.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 18, 2011, 10:49:21 PM
So I see Aston Villa hired Alex McLeish, that should go well. :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on June 19, 2011, 04:17:40 PM
First half against Jamaica failed to inspire confidence.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2011, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 19, 2011, 04:17:40 PM
First half against Jamaica failed to inspire confidence.

They pulled through, 2-0.

On to (probably) a rematch with Panama.  I suspect they will take them more seriously this time. :P

I strongly suspect that it will still be USA-El Tri.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 23, 2011, 12:42:07 AM
Latest Gold Cup results:

USA 1, Panama 0
Mexico 2, Honduras 0  (El Tri scores both goals in the 1st OT, then hangs on).

USA/Mexico final.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2011, 12:51:59 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on June 23, 2011, 12:42:07 AM
Latest Gold Cup results:

USA 1, Panama 0
Mexico 2, Honduras 0  (El Tri scores both goals in the 1st OT, then hangs on).

USA/Mexico final.

Which is a surprise to absolutely no one (excluding perhaps a handful of hard core opposing coaches/players/fans). :D

Considering the tourney so far, El Tri has to be the favorite - but USA, USA, .... ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 23, 2011, 01:03:38 AM
Hoosier Titan,

As a fan of Liverpool FC, any thoughts on LeBron James becoming a minority owner? ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 23, 2011, 05:13:14 PM
Hi Mr Y,

It's a marketing deal for both sides, I think.  Liverpool are now owned by Fenway Sports Group, the owners of the Boston Red Sox, and they're very keen to increase revenues in as many ways as possible.  They've moved the shirt deal from Adidas to Warrior, who will be making the shirts for the Red Sox, at an additional $25 million profit.  They're putting a new, or dramatically expanded, stadium as a high priority.  Where Le Bron fits in is his ability to increase the club's, and the sport's, visibility in the US, and also to bring in still more fans in Asia.  What most people forget is that Liverpool already sell more shirts worldwide than anyone except Barcelona, Real Madrid, and Man U.   There's a huge Asian market, and basketball is already tremendously popular in China, for example.  So just Le Bron wearing a Liverpool cap or shirt will reach a huge audience.

I don't watch the NBA--can't stop yelling "traveling!" about six times a minute--and so the only time I've ever seen Le Bron play was in the Olympics (I actually was impressed).  But other than the soap opera about which team he would play for, he seems like an okay guy.  Most Brits know next to nothing about basketball; the most common question when the deal came out was "but can he play center back?" ;) 

Right now everyone is just waiting for the transfer market silly season rumors to die, and for the transfers to really get going.  And Liverpool fans are psyched for next season, given the way things turned around after Kenny Dalglish took over!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 24, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
Barcelona offered $27 mill for Cesc Fabregas I guess.

Lets see $35 mil for Andy Carroll, $50 mil for Fernando Torres.........Barcelona's not even in the ballpark, are they?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 25, 2011, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: sac on June 24, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
Barcelona offered $27 mill for Cesc Fabregas I guess.

Lets see $35 mil for Andy Carroll, $50 mil for Fernando Torres.........Barcelona's not even in the ballpark, are they?

The last I heard, £31 million was the offer for Fabregas and that was turned down.  I'm getting tired of the Fabregas story--wish they'd do a deal or stop talking about it.  I also heard of a Villa-for-Fabregas swap, and I think Barca would be crazy to do that.

The story is that the price demanded for Torres was "Whatever Newcastle wants for Carroll plus £15 mil."  So it was Red Rom's money that went for Carroll.  A lot for a guy in his first EPL season?  Yes, but he's scored twice as many goals as Torres even though injured most of the spring.  Only time will tell if it was a good move--but it's seeming like it was time for Torres to go.  And if the new owners hadn't gone for a potential big-time player, they would have been open to charges of being like the previous (American) owners, holding a fire sale of any valuable players.

Numerous sources are saying Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing will both be going to Liverpool very soon...we'll see.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 25, 2011, 11:30:04 PM
Mexico scores 4 unanswered goals to win the Gold Cup, 4-2.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 26, 2011, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on June 25, 2011, 11:30:04 PM
Mexico scores 4 unanswered goals to win the Gold Cup, 4-2.
Putting it that way makes it even worse. :'(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on June 26, 2011, 09:39:09 PM
What a nightmare that second half was.  I understand that Cherundolo was the strength of the back four, but that does not explain the poor marking we saw in the second half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: etbu27 on June 27, 2011, 01:55:05 AM
Yea it seems Bradley went with an 0-4-2 during the game. And the switch of Donovan and Dempsey was confusing...Sure they produced, but when dont they? I think having Donovan in the midfield could have helped out defensively....maybe?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 30, 2011, 01:25:53 PM
England is weird and fascinating place sometimes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Fulham-selling-Michael-Jackson-products-to-go-wi?urn=sow-wp2895
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: etbu27 on June 30, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
Haha i couldnt agree more. Though I wouldnt narrow it down to England. Europe as a whole is kinda strange.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on June 30, 2011, 05:00:58 PM
Yikes!

I wouldn't advise painting all of England with a Fayad/London/conspiracy theory brush.  That statue at Craven Cottage is tacky beyond belief.  And (especially at a distance) a lot of things in the US look pretty weird too. I was about to make a comparison to Steinbrenner and the NY Yankees, but the Michael Jackson connection is too bizarre. That's in a class of its own.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: etbu27 on July 01, 2011, 12:30:43 AM
Has any one else in here been watching the U-17's. Some of the pitches are far from world cup worthy.

And as I watched the USA v GER game I wondered how USA makes it this far when all the european teens are already playing professionally, yet the forward for USA plays club ball down the street from my house, and spends his saturdays in the same league that I did when I played....and only 3 players on my entire team went to college to play...(all D3, all Hardin Simmons)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: etbu27 on July 01, 2011, 12:31:54 AM
Not saying im not proud, just noting a (IMHO) serious problem in US Youth soccer....
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 01, 2011, 11:27:27 AM
Just as a comparison, there are 96 professional teams in the 4 highest divisions of English football.........in a country with a population of roughly 50,000,000.

To get the same ratio, we would need 576 professional teams in the United States.  I believe we have somewhere around 40 counting MLS and USL + their 2nd division.


From a professional soccer opportunities perspective, the U.S. is way, way behind.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: etbu27 on July 01, 2011, 03:56:02 PM
There just is a sense of national bandwagon-ism. In England people really can support the local team and the city team. In USA hypothetically, if Ft. Worth had a team and Dallas had a team that people would only support the team that is more successful. I think this is also a big problem.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on July 10, 2011, 10:38:32 AM
Quote from: sac on July 01, 2011, 11:27:27 AM
Just as a comparison, there are 96 professional teams in the 4 highest divisions of English football.........in a country with a population of roughly 50,000,000.

To get the same ratio, we would need 576 professional teams in the United States.  I believe we have somewhere around 40 counting MLS and USL + their 2nd division.


From a professional soccer opportunities perspective, the U.S. is way, way behind.


Can you imagine what the MLS would look like if players with the physical talents of our pro football and basketball players were in the league.  If Barry Sanders had played soccer he would have been mentioned in the same breathe as Pele and Maradona.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: etbu27 on July 10, 2011, 06:11:42 PM
Absolute blasphemy!
Its a bit unfair to compare a game/player that (essentially) only played in one country vs a group of individuals that were not only great athletes but they beat the WORLD with their talents.
Im not saying Barry was not GREAT but the truth is he only beat 31 teams with his talents. AND without an OL he would have been somewhat lesser.
Maradona is said to have led his team to qualify for and win at least one WORLD CUP by himself. And Pele arguably did the same. Both put thier respective countries on the permanent global map and both are recognizable names WORLDWIDE.....Barry Sanders only won 1 playoff game in his CAREER and in the only other one he played in he recorded less than 75 yards rushing. Hardly capable of mentioning in the same breath as Maradona and Pele.

However, if there was revenue and a national following and enjoyment of the sport from birth soccer in America would explode and rival the EPL in skill and worldwide success...Possibly even surpass it with our much larger stadiums and deeper pockets. 20-30 more years I think.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 10, 2011, 07:48:31 PM
Just a slightly OT congrats to the US women for their victory over Brazil on PKs to progress to the World Cup semis!  I have been (still am) in transit back from England, but enjoyed reading the story.

England did well to get as far as they did, although they won't be happy with their loss to France on PKs.  A few years ago, casual fans in England had no idea that there was a women's team.

FWIW, the sports shop in the Manchester Airport gives apparently equal amounts of space to Man U and Liverpool gear.  Much less to Arsenal...no Chelsea or Man City (surprisingly) to be seen.  It's not surprising that Liverpool is so well represented, as that airport is the major one for both cities; they are only ~30 miles apart.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on July 11, 2011, 09:49:55 AM
Quote from: etbu27 on July 10, 2011, 06:11:42 PM
Absolute blasphemy!
Its a bit unfair to compare a game/player that (essentially) only played in one country vs a group of individuals that were not only great athletes but they beat the WORLD with their talents.
Im not saying Barry was not GREAT but the truth is he only beat 31 teams with his talents. AND without an OL he would have been somewhat lesser.
Maradona is said to have led his team to qualify for and win at least one WORLD CUP by himself. And Pele arguably did the same. Both put thier respective countries on the permanent global map and both are recognizable names WORLDWIDE.....Barry Sanders only won 1 playoff game in his CAREER and in the only other one he played in he recorded less than 75 yards rushing. Hardly capable of mentioning in the same breath as Maradona and Pele.

However, if there was revenue and a national following and enjoyment of the sport from birth soccer in America would explode and rival the EPL in skill and worldwide success...Possibly even surpass it with our much larger stadiums and deeper pockets. 20-30 more years I think.

Respectfully disagree.  With his physical talents, had Barry dedicated himself to futbol in the way that he dedicated himself to football....he would have been one of the best we've ever seen.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 15, 2011, 05:45:15 PM
After 10 months of recording and then watching nearly every minute of every EPL game that came on Fox Sports Soccer I decided maybe I needed an exile of sorts from all things English.

Damned if the British Open didn't happen and so I was forced back onto bbc.com


.......in short, Liverpool have been busy.  Doni, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson.  I have no idea what this all means, or if its good or bad, the general consensus seems to be its all been good.

Carry on with your day.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 15, 2011, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: sac on July 15, 2011, 05:45:15 PM
After 10 months of recording and then watching nearly every minute of every EPL game that came on Fox Sports Soccer I decided maybe I needed an exile of sorts from all things English.

Damned if the British Open didn't happen and so I was forced back onto bbc.com


.......in short, Liverpool have been busy.  Doni, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson.  I have no idea what this all means, or if its good or bad, the general consensus seems to be its all been good.

Carry on with your day.



Last weekend some golf got rained out (we were still in England), so the Formula One BBC broadcasters had to cover a lot of extra time.  Any driver who could speak even passable English (which is most of them), the team managers, and any passing celebrities got pushed on camera. 

I think there's more to come at Liverpool.  There are still quite a few players there on high wages who need to be moved on for their own good and for the budget's sake:  Joe Cole, Poulsen,  Ngog, and Jovanovic for sure.  Konchesky has already been sold to Leicester City.  Degen and Brad Jones will probably fade from the scene.  Alberto Aquilani is back, after Juventus balked at paying the agreed-upon fee for him; I think that probably either he or Raul Meireles will move on.  Both are very good players; Meireles was a godsend in the goal-starved period under Hodgson, but with the new acquisitions and the return of Steven Gerrard, the midfield could get a bit crowded.   Emiliano Insua is back from loan and will probably stay. 

I look for a left back, a center back, and possibly a young striker still to come. 

Just a few random musings.  Withdrawal is about to hit now that I'm back in the States--but I can see all the matches, which I couldn't do in England!

Carry on.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on July 19, 2011, 08:29:35 AM
Charlie Adam is the real deal.  Interesting to see how he is matched with Gerrard, but Adam is the goods.

Never thought much of Stewart Downing, but I've been wrong once or twice before.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 20, 2011, 03:56:13 PM
Infamous back heel goal.

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcSY-MVE6ZU
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 20, 2011, 04:32:20 PM
Last night's Copa America semifinal score:  Luiz Suarez (er, Uruguay) 2 - Peru 0.

In all fairness, Forlan's shot made the first goal happen.  The second was a brilliant example of beating the offside trap.

I know that Diego Forlan does not fit the profile of the type of player that Liverpool's new owners are looking for, but oh, what a strike force those two make!

Here are the goals:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCvNmu3R7Fc
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 24, 2011, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on July 20, 2011, 04:32:20 PM
Last night's Copa America semifinal score:  Luiz Suarez (er, Uruguay) 2 - Peru 0.

In all fairness, Forlan's shot made the first goal happen.  The second was a brilliant example of beating the offside trap.

I know that Diego Forlan does not fit the profile of the type of player that Liverpool's new owners are looking for, but oh, what a strike force those two make!

Here are the goals:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCvNmu3R7Fc

Uruguay won the final 3-0 and Suarez scored the opening goal
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 24, 2011, 09:45:26 PM
Quote from: sac on July 24, 2011, 09:38:19 PM

Uruguay won the final 3-0 and Suarez scored the opening goal

And provided the assist for the last one, and was voted Player of the Tournament!  I'm leaving for a work trip to Chile tomorrow; taking with me my autographed Luiz Suarez Liverpool water bottle!  Should be a nice conversation piece with the Chilenos.

I'm not comparing Uruguay with Barcelona, but one comment that was made about the Catalans is relevant.  Some commentator said, "In addition to admiring their control of the ball, look at how hard they work to get it back when they lose it."  Uruguay doesn't have the ball control that Barca does, but they do work incredibly hard when they lose possession.  I've never seen two strikers like Forlan and Suarez track back the way they do.  Fun to watch!  I'm reallly looking forward to the start of the EPL season.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on July 24, 2011, 09:47:29 PM
Has everyone seen Balotelli's attempted backheel?  My respect for Mancini has gone up today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JPbSWeeoR0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: frank uible on July 26, 2011, 03:20:34 AM
American football/futbol=Sanders/Pele=apples/oranges.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 03, 2011, 06:16:15 PM
Play of the day.  J League game from Japan (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/02/yuzo-tashiro-hides-steals-scores-goal_n_916066.html?ncid=webmail4)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: BackintheDay on August 05, 2011, 01:03:18 PM
great goal...haha
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 09, 2011, 12:22:40 AM
Can you top this?

Real Madrid just signed a 7-year-old from Argentina! ::)

In ten years will he be his idol Lionel Messi, or will he be Freddy Adu (or will he be my neighbor Alex, who was the best 7-year-old I ever coached, or coached against, and never got off JV in high school)?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 11, 2011, 08:08:10 PM
Speaking of Freddie Adu, he just signed on with Philadelphia Union, hopefully he plays some now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 11, 2011, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: sac on August 11, 2011, 08:08:10 PM
Speaking of Freddie Adu, he just signed on with Philadelphia Union, hopefully he plays some now.

I may be the only one not named Adu who feels this way, but I still haven't given up on the guy. ;)  I no longer have expectations, but I still have hopes.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on August 15, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
You're dead to me, Fabregas!  DEAD!   >:( :'( :-\ :'(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 15, 2011, 10:18:14 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on August 15, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
You're dead to me, Fabregas!  DEAD!   >:( :'( :-\ :'(

Ah.  Exactly how I felt about Fernando Torres in January.  I feel your pain! But there is life after being dumped, it just feels terrible at the time.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on August 16, 2011, 07:26:39 PM
Keane completes move to LA Galaxy
Monday, 15 August 2011 18:40

Robbie Keane has completed a move to LA Galaxy from Tottenham Hotspur on a two-year contract.

Keane will officially be added to the club's roster upon receipt of his visa, ending a second spell at Tottenham.

The Republic of Ireland record goal scorer said it was a dream come true to move to Major League Soccer: "I am delighted, honored and very excited to be joining the LA Galaxy.


See full article @:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/0815/keanerobbie_tottenham_galaxy.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 18, 2011, 09:13:27 PM
In case you haven't watched one of the 1,000 Sportscenters, Fabregas was at the center of a pretty bad tackle (the victim) that sparked a bench clearing melee between Barca and Real.

In other news........Messi!

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 19, 2011, 01:52:53 AM
Quote from: sac on August 18, 2011, 09:13:27 PM
In case you haven't watched one of the 1,000 Sportscenters, Fabregas was at the center of a pretty bad tackle (the victim) that sparked a bench clearing melee between Barca and Real.

In other news........Messi!


And the (Former) Special One got involved in the action by sticking his thumb in the eye of a Barca assistant coach from the rear.  At first it looked as though he tweaked the guy's ear, but in fact the act was a lot nastier.  I think Morinho has lost it.

Can't believe that classy Real players like Xabi Alonso, Iker Casillas, and (it pains me to say it) Cristiano Ronaldo are pleased about the way their side is going.  Pitiful.

And Messi is simply amazing!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 19, 2011, 02:03:31 AM
EPL match to watch this weekend:  Arsenal v. Liverpool.  It's the noontime Saturday match, which will make it early Saturday a.m. in the Central time zone.  Liverpool have never won at the Emirates, but this could be their chance.  Arsenal have sold Fabregas, Nasri seems on the way out, Gervinho and Song are suspended due to red cards in the Newcastle fixture, and Wilshire, Diaby, Gibbs, and Djourou are all out due to injury.  The Gunners got by Sporting Lisbon 1-0 midweek, and so might be feeling leg-tired. 

Liverpool drew with Sunderland at the weekend 1-1.  The Reds started at a blistering pace, with Luis Suarez drawing a penalty on Kieran Richardson that should have been a red card almost immediately.  Suarez blasted the PK into the Kop, but quickly atoned by scoring a goal soon after.  In the second half the Reds faded badly.  Travel fatigue seemed to have set in due to their Asian tour, and the preseason lineups which featured the likes of Joe Cole and Christian Poulsen didn't help the players who actually started last Saturday to become match fit.  Thus, the stamina of the Reds might be in question, although with the additions of Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson, Stuart Downing, and Jose Enrique, the side is much stronger this year. 

Should be an interesting match--Arsenal is always tough at the Emirates!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on August 20, 2011, 02:24:51 PM
It was never going to be easy against a quality side, especially with the youngsters Jenkinson and Frimpong in the starting eleven.  But then Koscielny goes down making us even greener along the back, and then Frimpong sees red with twenty minutes to play.

Daglish brings on Suarez and Mierles (sp) and that's it, game over.

All that said, I was more disappointed in the play along the front than the play along the back.

Where ever Nasri ends up he needs to take Arshavin with him.  His play was consistently terrible.

I do give Nasri some credit, he did not completely dog it out there, which is what I feared, and the crowd did not boo him even once from what I could tell.

Still and all there was no creativity or chemistry along the front from anyone wearing the red kit today.  Van Persie was non existent, and the first time I heard Ramsey's name mentioned was when the ball went into the Arsenal goal off his chest.

The commentators gave Walcott a hard time.  I did not think his play was that poor.  Certainly of the skilled players along the front he was the most active, IMO.

The transfer issues need to get themselves worked out.  There's hardly a position on the pitch where the team could not use a supplement. 

Looks like a long year to come for the Gunners testing the mettle of young players and supporters alike.

Go You Gooners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 20, 2011, 08:33:58 PM
Liverpool/Arsenal was a....um, I don't even know how to describe it.

It sort of deserved a comic goal to win it for someone.  Arsenal look like Liverpool did last year in a way.  Could be a rough start that's too much for them to pull out of before the end of the year.

ManU next weekend, 1 point in 9 and 8 back before September?......yikes.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on August 29, 2011, 08:30:29 AM
After yesterday's domination these should be, by far, the busiest three days of Wenger's tenure with the Gunners.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 29, 2011, 09:20:15 AM
There was some good ol' fashion arse kicking put on by Manchester clubs over London clubs over the weekend.  Manchester - 13, London - 3?!   :o

As good as United have looked in their first 3 games, I'm tempering my enthusiasm because I remember Chelsea looked like a team that would run away with the League title in the first 2 months last year only to disappear over the winter months. 

I do think you'd be lying if you thought ManU would look this good, this fast with the young squad that Fergie has been running out there and without the defensive anchors of Rio and Vidic to help out the new young keeper.  Fergie's starting 11 for the past 2 games were the 2nd youngest squads he's ever fielded?!  Not too bad for a bunch of youngsters.

Highlights from yesterday were aplenty if you were a ManU fan.  Rooney's hat trick included two wonderfully struck free kicks.  Young had the 2 best goals of the match IMO.  And De Gea's save of the van Persie's PK more than made up for his blunder of the first goal he allowed from Walcott. 

Sad to see Welbeck go down to injury as he was more than likely going to get a chance with the national team and he's been in top form over the first 3 matches, but it's also nice to have a player like Hernandez to take his place!   8-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 29, 2011, 11:40:31 AM
No doubt that both Manchester teams were impressive yesterday.  At this point--and it's early doors, as they say--looks like the title race will be between those two. 

But it would be a mistake to put too much faith in Man U looking THAT good all season.  Arsenal are, quite simply, woeful at the moment.  I'm not a Gunners supporter, but they've always been one of my favorite "other" sides, and I've liked Wenger's style.  Problem is, having sold Fabregas and Nasri, and having lost close to a double-digit number of players to injuries and red cards, they simply didn't have the horses yesterday.  And he didn't change his strategy, playing a very high defensive line in the first half that allowed MU players to slice through at will.  Once van Persie's penalty was missed--and it was a terrible, terrible penalty--the whole team just collapsed.  Credit to van Persie; he kept playing and scored a nice goal.  But Arsene, Arsene...what were you thinking?  The sad thing is that the MU-Arsenal blowout overshadowed the City-Spurs match.  With his hat trick, Dzeko has removed himself from the top of the Bad Trades List, leaving one Fernando Torres all by himself at the top of said list.  The Manchester derbies are going to be amazing this year! 

And, in other news, Liverpool looked very sprightly indeed in beating Bolton 3-1 with first goals from new boys Jordan Henderson and Charlie Adam. Martin Skrtel moved from center back to attacking right back and looked like he'd played it all his life, scoring a powerful header.  Despite all this, Luis Suarez was deservedly voted Man of the Match, having been involved in all three goals.

If I had to bet (which I never do), I'd say the top four right now bid fair to be the top four at the end of the season.  But the season is long.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 09, 2011, 01:13:05 PM
I assume everyone has seen this, if not enjoy.  (note he even received a yellow card)

http://newslite.tv/2011/09/09/is-this-the-worst-penalty-ever.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 22, 2011, 12:56:48 PM
Inter fired their manager after 5 games..........what a tough business.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on September 22, 2011, 02:14:54 PM
When your expectations are winning the Serie A and progressing deep into the Champions League you cannot expect to be kept around after such an awful start.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 14, 2011, 10:50:45 PM
Sad to see this page being 'relegated'.  ;)

Nice to see Liverpool/ManU is on ESPN2 Saturday morning, they've done a really nice job bringing the EPL to the American audience.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 14, 2011, 11:01:07 PM
It is good that the LFC/MU match is on ESPN2.  Sadly, I am in Toronto, in a hotel that doesn't have ESPN at all.  Just setting up the computer to have online coverage when I wake up. :(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 16, 2011, 05:13:53 PM
Of all the people on the field you would expect to make such a terrible mistake on a free kick, Giggs would have been my last pick.

Of all the people to snatch a goal to tie, Hernanadez would have been my first pick.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 16, 2011, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: sac on October 16, 2011, 05:13:53 PM
Of all the people on the field you would expect to make such a terrible mistake on a free kick, Giggs would have been my last pick.

Best quip about this:  "Once again, Gigg's groin was not where it should have been." ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on October 24, 2011, 01:07:04 PM
Well, I can honestly say, I can't remember ManU sufferring anything remotely close to the beatdown at Old Trafford yesterday and at the hands of City no less made it even harder to take?!   :o

I missed the red card that put ManU shorthanded and really changed the complexion of the match.  But, not to take any credit away from City, they fully deserved the 3 points in that match and sent a message to the rest of the EPL that they are for real! 

It looks as if the money that City ownership has been pouring into that club is finally reaping it's rewards this season much to my chagrin...  :-[
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 24, 2011, 01:51:50 PM
It was an obvious red card, denying a goal scoring opportunity.  Just terrible defending.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on October 24, 2011, 01:58:47 PM
Yes, no question about the card.  Evans should have just let him go.

I think it was the second goal that got to MU.  After that one, everyone except Rooney just seemed to lose focus entirely.

Not criticizing you, Scots, but it's been clear to me for some time that City have the horses to run away with the league.  The only question was whether the egos--Tevez, Balotelli et al--would fit in.  Tevez has taken himself out of the picture and Balotelli, whatever mischief he gets into off the pitch, seems to be functioning quite well on it!  If I were a better, I'd have said 3-0 to City, but I wasn't predicting that.

If City keep playing like this, I'm not sure who will beat them.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on October 24, 2011, 07:33:54 PM
Yeah, I wasn't trying to say that I didn't think City had the horses this  year.  I'm just saying, their ownership has been spending like crazy and this is really the first year their spending seems to be hitting paydirt.  They have clearly been the class of the EPL this season along with United and Satuday's dismantling of the defending champs clearly showed they are in a class by themselves at the moment.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 24, 2011, 07:35:40 PM
Well about this time last year, Chelsea was in a class by itself too.  :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on October 25, 2011, 10:54:51 AM
Quote from: sac on October 24, 2011, 07:35:40 PM
Well about this time last year, Chelsea was in a class by itself too.  :)

True, but Chelsea wasn't thumping ManU 6-1 at Old Trafford either...  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 28, 2011, 12:51:07 PM
Check out the scoring in this League Cup match between Blackburn and Newcastle.  That is some serious late game drama.  Blackburn won 4-3.

Blackburn

Rochina (5)
Yakubu (pen 64)
Pedersen (99)
Givet (120)

Newcastle

Guthrie (90+3)
Cabaye (90+6)
Lovenkrands (pen 105+3)


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 05, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
FA Cup 3rd Round Draw:

Manchester City vs Manchester United


Oy!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2011, 11:02:05 PM
You have GOT to see this goal! ;D

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Carlos-Vela-8217-s-beautiful-late-overhead-equa?urn=sow-wp7225
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 08, 2011, 07:46:28 PM
Welcome, Manchester sides, to the world of Thursday night football (AKA the Europa League).  Manchester United's loss to Basel was particularly striking, as they became the first team to go from the finals one year to missing out in the group stages the next.  Looks like time to regroup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 08, 2011, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on December 08, 2011, 07:46:28 PM
Welcome, Manchester sides, to the world of Thursday night football (AKA the Europa League).  Manchester United's loss to Basel was particularly striking, as they became the first team to go from the finals one year to missing out in the group stages the next.  Looks like time to regroup.

shocking really, I had thought they already qualified.  I new Man City was in some trouble, but not ManU.

That FA Cup tie in January just became that much bigger.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2012, 02:43:45 PM
Clint Dempsey earlier today became the first American player to score a hat trick in EPL play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 22, 2012, 11:52:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2012, 02:43:45 PM
Clint Dempsey earlier today became the first American player to score a hat trick in EPL play.

Unless I missed it, Fox Soccer didn't show the Fulham game this week either.  :(


What a six week stretch coming up for Liverpool

Wed Jan 25--2nd leg Carling Cup vs Man City
Sat Jan 28--FA Cup 4th round vs Man Utd.
Tues Jan 31-- @Wolverhampton
Mon Feb 6-- Tottenham
Sat Feb 11-- @ Man Utd
Feb 18/19 FA Cup 5th Round
Feb 25/26  either Everton or the Carling Cup Final
March 3  Arsenal
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 28, 2012, 11:23:40 AM
Quote from: sac on January 22, 2012, 11:52:08 PM

What a six week stretch coming up for Liverpool

Wed Jan 25--2nd leg Carling Cup vs Man City
Sat Jan 28--FA Cup 4th round vs Man Utd.
Tues Jan 31-- @Wolverhampton
Mon Feb 6-- Tottenham
Sat Feb 11-- @ Man Utd
Feb 18/19 FA Cup 5th Round
Feb 25/26  either Everton or the Carling Cup Final
March 3  Arsenal

Man City in Carling Cup--check
Man U in 4th round of FA cup--check

Wolves next, then Suarez is back for Spurs.  The Reds need to maintain the form they've shown in their cup matches for their league matches.  What a turnaround from losing to Bolton!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 28, 2012, 05:15:50 PM
Did Liverpool narrowly avoid having to travel to Old Trafford twice in one week, once for the EPL game and once for the FA Cup replay?

Great atmosphere from Anfield this morning, I enjoyed having the volume turned up for that one.  Two joyous Anfield roars in one week, not sure there are many others as distinctive.


If form hold they'll probably drop points to Wolves and draw Chelsea in the FA Cup. ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2012, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: sac on January 28, 2012, 05:15:50 PM
Did Liverpool narrowly avoid having to travel to Old Trafford twice in one week, once for the EPL game and once for the FA Cup replay?

Great atmosphere from Anfield this morning, I enjoyed having the volume turned up for that one.  Two joyous Anfield roars in one week, not sure there are many others as distinctive.


If form hold they'll probably drop points to Wolves and draw Chelsea in the FA Cup. ::)

Yes, I don't think either side was keen on a replay.  I understand from people who were there that the atmosphere was rather tame for Liverpool v. Man U, but there was still plenty of noise. 

I expected either Chelsea or Everton, but the draw was Brighton, whom they've already beat once this year.  I understand that Brighton has American-football style cheerleaders; quite a novelty in English football.  My English (male) friends think it's a good thing.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on January 31, 2012, 12:11:28 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2012, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: sac on January 28, 2012, 05:15:50 PM
Did Liverpool narrowly avoid having to travel to Old Trafford twice in one week, once for the EPL game and once for the FA Cup replay?

Great atmosphere from Anfield this morning, I enjoyed having the volume turned up for that one.  Two joyous Anfield roars in one week, not sure there are many others as distinctive.


If form hold they'll probably drop points to Wolves and draw Chelsea in the FA Cup. ::)

Yes, I don't think either side was keen on a replay.  I understand from people who were there that the atmosphere was rather tame for Liverpool v. Man U, but there was still plenty of noise. 

I expected either Chelsea or Everton, but the draw was Brighton, whom they've already beat once this year.  I understand that Brighton has American-football style cheerleaders; quite a novelty in English football.  My English (male) friends think it's a good thing.

They also have a beautiful new stadium, almost a shame the game isn't there.  Almost.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 01, 2012, 07:45:12 AM
Even if the end of the transfer window was less than overwhelming (Bobby Zamora to QPR the biggest story?), the top of the table got tighter yesterday. 

With Manchester City falling to Everton (after a spectator at Goodison chained himself to a goal at halftime and had to be cut loose!) and Manchester United beating Wigan, the two Manchester sides are level on points.  Spurs seem to have distanced themselves a bit from the others, Chelsea scored to secure a draw with Swansea in the final minute of stoppage time, and Liverpool were finally convincing against a bottom-table side, Wolves.  Goals came from Andy Carroll, who played a great game, Craig Bellamy, and Dirk Kuyt.  Arsenal and Newcastle are now sixth and seventh, although with a game in hand.

Next Monday's Liverpool-Spurs match is huge in the race for fourth.  Good stuff!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 09, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 01, 2012, 07:45:12 AM

Next Monday's Liverpool-Spurs match is huge in the race for fourth.  Good stuff!

Sadly the most interesting thing about the match was the cat that ran on the pitch.......and his twitter account  http://twitter.com/AnfieldCat   .......and his own song     http://youtu.be/vpOdLIHsUSM



Was flipping through the channels and just caught this very moment in the AC Milan/Napoli match today.  Almost clever and almost got away with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuewn3pGKfM
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 09, 2012, 08:11:48 PM
Been awhile since I found a good Liverpool video, here's an epic 8 minute review of the Liverpool journey to Wembley.....in a very over dramatic production.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHaN3tK6dq8

and I don't know about this post ManUtd FA cup reaction video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZiClyI6Ku4

and well what can say this is kind of a funny cheer given the lead up to the game, apologies for any language
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXg0Q6twdWY&feature=related
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on February 10, 2012, 09:16:01 AM
A tad off topic, but tomorrow Sunday is the final of the African Cup of Nations. Before I knew much about soccer, two of my golf teammates at Kzoo were Zambian.  They told me the story of the plane crash that took almost the entire Zambian soccer team and execs. Heartbreaking.   Amazing they are in a major final. 

Here's the SI story:  http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138563/1/index.htm (http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138563/1/index.htm)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 12, 2012, 10:53:49 AM
So did anyone take in the Northwest Derby yesterday?

I have just one question.  What the hell was Luis Suarez thinking when he refused to shake Evra's hand in the pre-match hand shake.  I already had about zero respect for Suarez already and that bush league behavior that d-bag displayed yesterday lessened that even further! 

One thing I was pleased to see was how Rio Ferdinand then refused to shake the d-bag's hand immediately after the d-bag refused to shake Evra's hand.  Too bad the rest of ManU's players didn't follow suit?! 

I think the following words from Sir Alex sum up my feelings on the d-bag Suarez pretty well:

QuoteBut Ferguson had the final word, ripping into Suarez for the player's refusal to shake Evra's hand, calling him a "disgrace." "I couldn't believe, I just could not believe it," Ferguson told Sky Sports. "Patrice told me this morning, 'I'm going to shake his hand, I've nothing to be ashamed of.' But then Suarez refuses. He's a disgrace to Liverpool Football Club. Some players should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again, the history that club's got, and he does that. In a situation like today he could have caused a riot."

But I guess as long as he scores goals, the Liverpool faithful will look past the disgraceful behavior Suarez continues to display!   ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 12, 2012, 12:28:45 PM
Nice talk that, Scots.  Were you hoping to initiate a calm and reasoned discussion with that post? 

<sarcasm off>

You might be interested to know that Luis Suarez, Kenny Dalglish, and Liverpool Football Club have all issued statements of apology today.  They can be read at liverpoolfc.tv

And then again, you might not be interested in reading them.  Just passing on the information. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 12, 2012, 01:02:35 PM
I watched it and Liverpool were awful.    Terrible crosses for two games in a row now.


I thought Suarez made a bush league move, couldn't believe it.  The whole thing should have been over then.  Now it will go on for far to long.

Evra handled himself well and correctly until the end, when he was equally wrong to run down the pitch and egg on the crowd right in front of the departing Suarez.



As always Sir Alex's comments are designed to stir the pot, I'm sure he would like nothing more than to see Liverpool sell Luis Suarez.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 12, 2012, 01:20:37 PM
Quote from: sac on February 12, 2012, 01:02:35 PM
I watched it and Liverpool were awful.    Terrible crosses for two games in a row now.


I thought the first half was fine, and once the subs came on Liverpool were better.  The second goal was unfortunate for Jay Spearing, who's come into the first team as a replacement for Lucas Leiva, possibly the best defensive midfielder in the league. 

I've been giving Stewart Downing time, and time, and more time, and I've just about had it.  He was bought to create chances, but most of them are very slim chances.  There's been a lot of talk about Andy Carroll being overpriced, but he's young and coming on.  Downing, I think, will not be around long.

It's starting to look as though the cups are LFC's best chance of success this year; given how things have gone it could be worse.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 12, 2012, 05:42:40 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 12, 2012, 12:28:45 PM
Nice talk that, Scots.  Were you hoping to initiate a calm and reasoned discussion with that post? 

<sarcasm off>

You might be interested to know that Luis Suarez, Kenny Dalglish, and Liverpool Football Club have all issued statements of apology today.  They can be read at liverpoolfc.tv

And then again, you might not be interested in reading them.  Just passing on the information.

To answer your first question, nope.  When it comes to the bush league behavior of one Luis Suarez who can't seem to figure out how to handle himself with class, my thoughts regarding Suarez are anything but calm and reasoned.  So sorry I don't hold bush league players like Suarez in high regard.  ::)  If he played for ManU I would feel the same way! 

Also, I'm sorry, but that apology is hallow at best!  And you are correct, I could care less about reading a hallow apology.  Suarez had a chance to do the right thing and be the bigger man and end all of this controversy by just shaking Evra's hand and he failed to do so.  He also failed to man up and recognize how shameful his racist behavior has been.  I guess sitting out 8 games wasn't enough of a message to send to Suarez.  Issuing a hallow apology 24 hours after his bush league move does nothing to change my low opinion of Luis Suarez...

As for Evra, I agree with you sac in that he should have taken the high road at the end of the match, but I would hardly say his actions were equally bush league to those that Suarez has continued to show towards Evra.  I would have had a hard time taking the high road with a player who continues the bush league actions like Suarez continues to do.  What Luis Suarez really needs is a good old fashioned arse kicking!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on February 13, 2012, 04:54:05 PM
Quote from: Stinger on February 10, 2012, 09:16:01 AM
A tad off topic, but tomorrow Sunday is the final of the African Cup of Nations. Before I knew much about soccer, two of my golf teammates at Kzoo were Zambian.  They told me the story of the plane crash that took almost the entire Zambian soccer team and execs. Heartbreaking.   Amazing they are in a major final. 

Here's the SI story:  http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138563/1/index.htm (http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138563/1/index.htm)

And even more amazing, they WON.  Here's the much needed feel good story:

Zambia Wins African Cup (http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/7568170/zambia-beats-ivory-coast-win-african-cup-nations-brent-latham)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 18, 2012, 01:39:17 PM
Another handshake controversy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Yv46nGqU0vQ
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on February 19, 2012, 07:07:23 PM
FA Cup quarterfinals

Stoke at Liverpool
Leicester City at Chelsea or Birmingham City
Bolton at Stevenage or Tottonham
Sunderland at Everton

Somehow the 4 biggest remaining clubs all managed to avoid each other.

Liverpool won 6-1 over Brighton on the back of 3 own goals.  I've never seen that before, a bad game just kept getting more miserable for Brighton.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 19, 2012, 11:18:53 PM
Quote from: sac on February 19, 2012, 07:07:23 PM

Liverpool won 6-1 over Brighton on the back of 3 own goals.  I've never seen that before, a bad game just kept getting more miserable for Brighton.

Yes, that new signing O. Goal had a hat trick.  Had to feel for Brighton--they started brightly, and Lualua's goal off a free kick was beautiful.  But it all went south pretty quickly at the end of the first half with the first OG.

Lots of good things for Liverpool--Stewart Downing was much sharper (now I know, I just have to slate him here!), and Andy Carroll is starting to look like the player Liverpool hoped they were getting with a high work rate, good ball control, a goal with his left foot, and a lovely headed assist to Luis Suarez for the last goal.  Now to take some of that to the Carling Cup final at Wembley!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2012, 09:25:33 AM
While Italy wasn't at full strength, good to see the US team get a win in a friendly yesterday ... and amazing that they pulled it off whilst getting outshot 19-4.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on March 01, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2012, 09:25:33 AM
While Italy wasn't at full strength, good to see the US team get a win in a friendly yesterday ... and amazing that they pulled it off whilst getting outshot 19-4.

The US was not at full strength either.

US u-23's defeated their Mexican counterparts 2-0 in an Olympic qualifying prep game.  US dominated as well - also shorthanded.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 01, 2012, 09:02:07 PM
I had a post written the other day about the Carling Cup but I timed out and it was deleted and was too tired to do it again. :-[

But I finally got to watch the whole thing.  I guess in England they would call Cardiff's effort brave.  I'm guessing Stephen Gerrard will not be serving punch out of the cup at the next family get together.  For all I know maybe he will. ???


EPL is ramping up for a good finish in all categories......winner, Champions League places, Europa League, and relegation.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on March 12, 2012, 11:48:42 PM
Here is a sad story--- we're heading across "the pond"; got very nice seats for Chelsea v. Newcastle only to find that the game is going to be bumped if Chelsea beats Leicester intheir FA cup matchup this weekend!  I called Chelsea before the "big purchase" and their ticket agent told me the game was not going to be moved even though it was listed as "tentative"; I guess its the old story of caveat emptor!   :o Here's to hoping Leicester can pull off a massive upset!!  ;D

On a side note,  getting tickets for games over there is insane.  They need stub hub in the worst way.  I suspect the clubs want to control everything, but not only was it expensive, it was a pain...well you know where it was a pain!
;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 16, 2012, 12:05:05 PM
There have been posts about bad officiating on here in past years, but I defy anyone to top this! 8-)

From this week's SI "Sign of the Apocalypse":

"After being knocked unconscious on a play in a Belgian amateur soccer league match (suffering a concussion and three displaced vertebrae), midfielder Julien Lecomte was issued a yellow card for diving; then - because it was his second yellow of the game - given a red card while being carted off the pitch."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 16, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 16, 2012, 12:05:05 PM
There have been posts about bad officiating on here in past years, but I defy anyone to top this! 8-)

From this week's SI "Sign of the Apocalypse":

"After being knocked unconscious on a play in a Belgian amateur soccer league match (suffering a concussion and three displaced vertebrae), midfielder Julien Lecomte was issued a yellow card for diving; then - because it was his second yellow of the game - given a red card while being carted off the pitch."
And they say football is a violent sport ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
Most of the time I record games to watch at a latter time and I often purposely avoid seeing scores, so I was quite shocked today to see Fabrice Muamba suffering what they are calling a heart attack on the pitch in the Tottenham/Bolton game.  Terrible scene, hopefully he pulls through.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
On a lighter note.......I found this, I highly encourage you to watch it two or three times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyK1owU3e6Y&feature=related
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 18, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
On a lighter note.......I found this, I highly encourage you to watch it two or three times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyK1owU3e6Y&feature=related
I wish I could understand what the announcers were saying:)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 18, 2012, 11:56:49 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 18, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
On a lighter note.......I found this, I highly encourage you to watch it two or three times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyK1owU3e6Y&feature=related
I wish I could understand what the announcers were saying:)

Ha ha!  I heard "espectaculo" and "increible" in between laughs.  That was amazing!  I thought I'd seen some pretty bad dives in the Liverpool-Stoke match today, but that takes the cake! 

Thanks, sac. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 19, 2012, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 18, 2012, 11:56:49 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 18, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
On a lighter note.......I found this, I highly encourage you to watch it two or three times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyK1owU3e6Y&feature=related
I wish I could understand what the announcers were saying:)

Ha ha!  I heard "espectaculo" and "increible" in between laughs.  That was amazing!  I thought I'd seen some pretty bad dives in the Liverpool-Stoke match today, but that takes the cake! 

Thanks, sac. ;D
My daughter is coming home this week-end. I will have her listen to it and see if she can figure it out. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 09:57:18 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 19, 2012, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 18, 2012, 11:56:49 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 18, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
On a lighter note.......I found this, I highly encourage you to watch it two or three times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyK1owU3e6Y&feature=related
I wish I could understand what the announcers were saying:)

Ha ha!  I heard "espectaculo" and "increible" in between laughs.  That was amazing!  I thought I'd seen some pretty bad dives in the Liverpool-Stoke match today, but that takes the cake! 

Thanks, sac. ;D
My daughter is coming home this week-end. I will have her listen to it and see if she can figure it out. ;D

Because the daughter with sophomore spanish said they talk too fast for her ;D but she did find the video funny. :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 21, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 09:57:18 AM
Because the daughter with sophomore spanish said they talk too fast for her ;D but she did find the video funny. :D

Yes, I've spent a lot of time in Chile but 1) they talk really fast and 2) they use a lot of idioms.  I did just get an email from a friend there, so I might send it to him for a proper translation.  I think even Chile supporters would agree that was just ridiculous.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 21, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 09:57:18 AM
Because the daughter with sophomore spanish said they talk too fast for her ;D but she did find the video funny. :D

Yes, I've spent a lot of time in Chile but 1) they talk really fast and 2) they use a lot of idioms.  I did just get an email from a friend there, so I might send it to him for a proper translation.  I think even Chile supporters would agree that was just ridiculous.

Better than using a lot of idiots!! ;D ;D ;D ;D And if you get a translation, make sure you post it (as long as it is appropriate0 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 21, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 11:34:15 AM

Better than using a lot of idiots!! ;D ;D ;D ;D And if you get a translation, make sure you post it (as long as it is appropriate0 ;D ;D ;D ;D

The inappropriate ones are the funniest!  :D

Although I doubt they'll be too off color, since this was on TV.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 21, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 11:34:15 AM

Better than using a lot of idiots!! ;D ;D ;D ;D And if you get a translation, make sure you post it (as long as it is appropriate0 ;D ;D ;D ;D

The inappropriate ones are the funniest!  :DAlthough I doubt they'll be too off color, since this was on TV.

That is for sure!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on March 21, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
Most of the time I record games to watch at a latter time and I often purposely avoid seeing scores, so I was quite shocked today to see Fabrice Muamba suffering what they are calling a heart attack on the pitch in the Tottenham/Bolton game.  Terrible scene, hopefully he pulls through.

To say this would be a miraculous recovery might be a bit of an understatement:

Muamba 'dead' for 78 minutes (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/fabrice-muamba-heart-stopped-beating-for-78-minutes-bolton-032112)

What a story!!!  Hoping he's able to continue to improve.  Whether he plays football again is secondary at this point...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 09:36:28 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 21, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
Most of the time I record games to watch at a latter time and I often purposely avoid seeing scores, so I was quite shocked today to see Fabrice Muamba suffering what they are calling a heart attack on the pitch in the Tottenham/Bolton game.  Terrible scene, hopefully he pulls through.

To say this would be a miraculous recovery might be a bit of an understatement:

Muamba 'dead' for 78 minutes (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/fabrice-muamba-heart-stopped-beating-for-78-minutes-bolton-032112)

What a story!!!  Hoping he's able to continue to improve.  Whether he plays football again is secondary at this point...
Unbelievable, and he seems to being doing very well. amazing for sure.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on March 27, 2012, 12:51:09 PM
The USA will NOT be in the Olympics this year. :'(

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/us-soccer-knocked-out-of-olympics-qualifying-after-el-salvadors-late-goal/2012/03/27/gIQA0UUFeS_blog.html
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 28, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 27, 2012, 12:51:09 PM
The USA will NOT be in the Olympics this year. :'(

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/us-soccer-knocked-out-of-olympics-qualifying-after-el-salvadors-late-goal/2012/03/27/gIQA0UUFeS_blog.html

The best part of the Olympic games is the Track and Field and Swimming.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 28, 2012, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 09:57:18 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 19, 2012, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 18, 2012, 11:56:49 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 18, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
On a lighter note.......I found this, I highly encourage you to watch it two or three times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyK1owU3e6Y&feature=related
I wish I could understand what the announcers were saying:)

Ha ha!  I heard "espectaculo" and "increible" in between laughs.  That was amazing!  I thought I'd seen some pretty bad dives in the Liverpool-Stoke match today, but that takes the cake! 

Thanks, sac. ;D
My daughter is coming home this week-end. I will have her listen to it and see if she can figure it out. ;D

Because the daughter with sophomore spanish said they talk too fast for her ;D but she did find the video funny. :D

And the daughter who talks to Spanish speaking parents when they call school, said the same thing. :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 28, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
I forwarded the clip to a student who's just spent a semester in Chile but I haven't heard back from him yet.

My Chilean friends make the point that they use more words than English speakers to say an equivalent sentence--we counted once, and it was about 30% more words on average.  So they have to talk 30% faster!  That's their story and they're sticking to it. :D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 28, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 28, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
I forwarded the clip to a student who's just spent a semester in Chile but I haven't heard back from him yet.

My Chilean friends make the point that they use more words than English speakers to say an equivalent sentence--we counted once, and it was about 30% more words on average.  So they have to talk 30% faster!  That's their story and they're sticking to it. :D
Well that explains a lot!!:):)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 28, 2012, 09:27:45 PM
Liverpool/Everton FA Cup semi at Wembley.    Nice!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 28, 2012, 09:33:57 PM
Quote from: sac on March 28, 2012, 09:27:45 PM
Liverpool/Everton FA Cup semi at Wembley.    Nice!

Note on a Liverpool board when Everton had to go to a replay with Sunderland:

"Wait til they find out we've booked all the trains, buses, and taxis!"

Both sides need something to lift them up a bit right now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on March 28, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
How do you get 90,000 Liverpudlians to  Wembley?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on March 28, 2012, 09:51:07 PM
Quote from: sac on March 28, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
How do you get 90,000 Liverpudlians to  Wembley?
real question or is there a punch line?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 03, 2012, 03:38:05 PM
Quote from: sac on March 28, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
How do you get 90,000 Liverpudlians to  Wembley?

Turn the clock back 48 years and invite the Beatles--
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on April 03, 2012, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 03, 2012, 03:38:05 PM
Quote from: sac on March 28, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
How do you get 90,000 Liverpudlians to  Wembley?

Turn the clock back 48 years and invite the Beatles--
Good one! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 03, 2012, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on April 03, 2012, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 03, 2012, 03:38:05 PM
Quote from: sac on March 28, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
How do you get 90,000 Liverpudlians to  Wembley?

Turn the clock back 48 years and invite the Beatles--
Good one! ;D

It would be great if we could do just that!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on April 03, 2012, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on April 03, 2012, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on April 03, 2012, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 03, 2012, 03:38:05 PM
Quote from: sac on March 28, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
How do you get 90,000 Liverpudlians to  Wembley?

Turn the clock back 48 years and invite the Beatles--
Good one! ;D

It would be great if we could do just that!
Turn back the clock or bring back the Beatles?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 03, 2012, 10:14:09 PM
Both!  We only have two Beatles left, and those of us who remember them the first around wouldn't mind turning back the clock.

I have to say that having had the music of the 60's and early 70's comes as close as anything can to making being old worth it!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on April 03, 2012, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on April 03, 2012, 10:14:09 PM
Both!  We only have two Beatles left, and those of us who remember them the first around wouldn't mind turning back the clock.

I have to say that having had the music of the 60's and early 70's comes as close as anything can to making being old worth it!
I think I would like to turn back the clock, just to enjoy everything I rushed through the first time around.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 09, 2012, 02:41:21 PM
Peter Crouch scored this amazing goal against Man City a couple weeks ago.  This snappy video provides the evidence, and just the kind musical accompaniment I've come to expect from the land over the pond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU6-0EQB6As

On another note, its been a good couple weeks for former Liverpool strikers......not so much for current Liverpool strikers. :-\


Also its become pretty commonplace watching Man City games to eventually see their fans crying at some point in the game, usually after conceding another goal.  Such as this

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F430478_10151378328870720_566915719_23014418_1733883969_n.jpg&hash=8ece3c9d86e8eeb8f2d22d68c7076d2760a2eac6)

or this

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.balls.ie%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fyamidoo_pro%2Fyamidoo_pro%2Fscripts%2Ftimthumb.php%3Fsrc%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.balls.ie%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F04%2FAp-X17jCAAATlSR.jpg%26amp%3Bw%3D520%26amp%3Bh%3D280%26amp%3Bzc%3D1&hash=80aec5c08b4eacf6be2a1a512a20f0e679996ce4)


Which prompted this brilliant message from a young Man City fan who has no doubt not yet felt the weight and pain of living in ManU's shadow for decades.  Ah, youth.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espnstar.com%2Fservlet%2Ffile%2F783724_280_preview.jpg%3FITEM_ENT_ID%3D783724%26amp%3BITEM_VERSION%3D2%26amp%3BCOLLSPEC_ENT_ID%3D10%26amp%3BFILE_SERVICE_CONF_ID%3D280&hash=99e46cff22239a16c1d3a4134c5536bf0822da70)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 10, 2012, 03:48:34 PM
Poor City fans.  They had such high hopes just a few short weeks ago.   8-)  Goes to show, its tough to build a championship team around the headcases such as Mario Bolatelli and Carlos Tevez...

And after watching Paul Scholes score his 3rd goal since re-joining the club from out of retirement, it doesn't look like as much of a desperation signing as Patrick Vierra made it out to be after all.  This clip of Fergie's reaction to Vieira's comments is priceless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbsQR6Uszgk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbsQR6Uszgk)

;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 10, 2012, 07:21:59 PM
Liverpool escaped disaster in more way than one this afternoon.

3-2 winners at lowly Blackburn on a late winner by Andy Carroll after leading 2-0.

But the story was back-up GK Doni being sent off with a straight red meaning he's banned from this weekends FA Cup semi-final.  Pepe Reina is already banned after picking up a red card vs Newcastle last week.  Third choice keeper Brad Jones filled in admirably today in his Premier League debut for Liverpool, though he gave up a PK and earned a yellow card himself.  Liverpool was within a judgement call by the ref from having all 3 keepers unavailable for the FA Cup semi-final.  ???



Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 15, 2012, 12:15:33 AM
Watched the FA Cup semi this afternoon.  Good to see Andy Carroll get his moment finally.  Not the greatest game.

I think Tottenham will win on Sunday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 16, 2012, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: sac on April 15, 2012, 12:15:33 AM
Watched the FA Cup semi this afternoon.  Good to see Andy Carroll get his moment finally.  Not the greatest game.

I think Tottenham will win on Sunday.


Chelsea 5 Tottenham 1  --prediction fail!!!

Actually it was a pretty good game until Chelsea scored a third then Lampard unleashed a wicked free kick, and it all kind of fell apart for Spurs.

great and unique view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuPbsOdtIhs&feature=related
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 16, 2012, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: sac on April 15, 2012, 12:15:33 AM
Watched the FA Cup semi this afternoon.  Good to see Andy Carroll get his moment finally.  Not the greatest game.


Big Andy worked his socks off for that.  He muffed a couple of chances before that but he kept working and it finally came good for him. He had a similar game-winner against Blackburn a few days earlier; that one was great because the 'pool were down to 10 men.  Andy defended well.

The previous two goals on Sunday--one for each side--were due to defensive miscues on the part of the center backs.  Agreed, not a great game.  A great day for Merseyside in London, though.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on April 16, 2012, 09:52:21 PM
Quote from: sac on April 16, 2012, 09:24:37 PM

Chelsea 5 Tottenham 1  --prediction fail!!!

Actually it was a pretty good game until Chelsea scored a third then Lampard unleashed a wicked free kick, and it all kind of fell apartfor Spurs.

great and unique view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuPbsOdtIhs&feature=related

The second "goal" was a complete farce.  First, John Terry took out the goalkeeper--it should have been a foul.  Then, the ball never crossed the line.  There were too many people piled up in the goal!  The referee (Martin Atkinson) apparently never even consulted the linesman.  Early on, Spurs looked brighter, but it went south in a hurry.

The Lampard free kick goal was a thing of beauty, though, and after that Spurs were just done for.  If Harry doesn't go to England--which is looking less likely now--he needs to go shopping for center backs.  Ledley King and William Gallas are ready for retirement (the same is true of Jamie Carragher for Liverpool).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 16, 2012, 10:33:50 PM
forgot to link this awesome view of Andy Carroll's header to win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xh9K-qF6cw&feature=related


Watched a Celtic game some time ago and the fans were going bonkers with this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TspYx7EaF5A&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eEnVPsm42A&feature=related
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 25, 2012, 02:38:47 PM
Watched the Champions League semi yesterday between Chelsea and Barcelona.  Unbelievable performance by Chelsea, I've only watched soccer for about a dozen years with any depth of knowledge but that was one of the gutsiest performances I've seen in any sport.  Given the setting, history and quality of players and play it was a remarkable thing to see.

Then to top it off its Fernando Torres that gets the goal to seal it.  One of the last articles I read over the weekend was an interview with Torres and his last words were "we can beat Barca". 

So two of the most important goals I've seen this year have come from two of the most criticized players since their respective transfers a couple days apart, Torres and Andy Carroll.


About 2 months ago I couldn't fathom the CL final without one or both Spanish giants but we're on the brink of neither making the final. 


PS   What on Earth was John Terry thinking?


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on April 25, 2012, 04:59:23 PM
DiMatteo has really turned Chelsea around.  He has really made his case with their dramatic revival.
It was 80 minutes of pure defense, and the British fans loved it; it was a very English way to win!

I agree with you about Terry...stupid, but not completely surprising from him.  Now they are going to have another difficult hurdle in the final with so many of their core players out.  I will say its going to be an exciting final.

PS....love the storybook finish for Torres!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 30, 2012, 05:30:40 PM
Reading won the Championship over the weekend which is kind of a meh thing.  They didn't do much for me the last time they were in the EPL.  Southampton won promotion as well which is great since its been a few years now since they were relegated.  When I first started watching the EPL Matt LeTissier at Southampton was one of my favorites to watch for some reason.

For the playoffs its West Ham v Cardiff and Birmingham v Blackpool.  Probably going to hope Cardiff make it.


Also Hodgson for England   ???

Lukas Podolski to Arsenal over the summer.  Like that one
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 15, 2012, 03:08:06 PM
If you haven't seen it I'll assume you are more than comfortable living under your rock.

Man City's winner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNWb3FrmKyE&feature=related

The last 10 minutes in its entirety.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqi5nPew5Eg&feature=related



and Paul Merson  (people actually watch this rather than the game?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO7B9ERbqdY
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 30, 2012, 06:29:07 PM
The resident Liverpool supporter is going to have to win me over with their choice of Brendan Rodgers as manager. ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on May 30, 2012, 08:26:40 PM
Quote from: sac on May 30, 2012, 06:29:07 PM
The resident Liverpool supporter is going to have to win me over with their choice of Brendan Rodgers as manager. ???

I take it that means me?  :D

I haven't looked at him a lot, but Swansea played LFC off the pitch on the last day.  The lead post on the best LFC team site has an extensive article on Rodgers today (this is free; most are usually for subscribers only):

http://tomkinstimes.com/

I know he coached the Chelsea youth team under Mourinho and prefers a Spanish-style passing game.  He's thought to be about as much of a risk as Rafa Benitez was when Rafa went to Valencia.  For the record, I think Rafa is a great manager and would have been happy to have him back, but I fear there was just too much prior baggage.

Things have quieted down across the pond for the night, but there were strong murmurings a few hours ago that an entirely new LFC will be unfolded as soon as tomorrow:  Director of Football (van Gaal or perhaps Begeirenstein (sp?), Manager, new kit deal with Warrior, and even a monster new stadium deal with Air China (~350 million pounds including naming rights).  Fenway Sports Group like to wrap things up quietly and efficiently.  We shall see.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 30, 2012, 08:50:32 PM
Yes you,  :)

I enjoyed that article, thank you very much.  I will wait and see of course, but the article was at least encouraging in some aspects.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 20, 2012, 03:10:48 PM
Ibrahimovic's goal vs France, unfortunately only a replay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTLRVn2Tnfc&feature=related



Gerrard has been superb for England.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ECSUalum on June 21, 2012, 07:31:32 PM
EURO 2012 Best Goals Part 3 - GROUP STAGE. (also see Parts 1 and 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXsJtL-_S2E
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 25, 2012, 03:28:56 PM
Poor England, out on penalties again.   :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 25, 2012, 05:10:44 PM
Penalties suck, but they were far the inferior team vs Italy.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 01, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
Wow!!

Spain 3, Italy 0.

Does that qualify as a monkey-stomp?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 01, 2012, 04:33:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 01, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
Wow!!

Spain 3, Italy 0.

Does that qualify as a monkey-stomp?
Well, 4-0 does!

The announcer called it a "trouncing".  I like Monkey-Stomp better.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 02, 2012, 12:07:45 AM
The screen I was watching had no sound, so I didn't hear any stomping.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on July 02, 2012, 11:46:19 AM
Spain was clearly the better team, but Italy was done no favors with Motta going down.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NCF on August 16, 2012, 07:29:12 AM
Team USA fans have to be doing backflips on the teams first win in Mexico EVER!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 16, 2012, 11:50:13 AM
Nice to get a first ever win in Mexico... but that was not a pretty game for the U.S. Mexico was clearly dominant and some good defending, plus some great goalkeeping, plus Mexico missing some easy chances gave us the win. It's nice to break the duck, but two understrength teams, playing a friendly, doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. I was happier with the win over Italy earlier this year. 6 points in the next round of WC qualifying (back to back games with Jamaica) is infinitely more important.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on August 23, 2012, 05:18:16 PM
Any thoughts on the Clint Dempsey saga?  I think he has been an absolute pr*ck thus far.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on August 23, 2012, 07:07:18 PM
I wonder if its all Dempsey.  US Soccer has been lobbying hard to get him a spot on a Champions League Team.  It seems like he, and everyone on his side of the equation, thought Liverpool was going to pick him up, but apparently they are luke warm...I agree with the FFC manager who called the whole saga "embarassing". 

I was reading about a team in one of the old Soviet Republics that is about to make the Champions League.  Apparently, they are still run like a communist dictatorship.  Maybe Clint could get a spot there!  haha! ;)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/sports/soccer/soccer-team-of-post-soviet-transnistria-dominates-moldovan-league.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/sports/soccer/soccer-team-of-post-soviet-transnistria-dominates-moldovan-league.html?pagewanted=all)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on August 23, 2012, 07:16:34 PM
Although possible, it is unlikely Clint has acted in the fashion that GarbageGoals claims.  As Clint tweeted, there are two sides to every story, and the truth will come out.  He has managed to stay above the fray so far and keep his mouth shut, so we only hear the side that makes him look bad.  Let's wait for the whole story once the dust settles.  No matter what, this situation has not been good for his career in the short run.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on August 23, 2012, 08:09:10 PM
I agree Colbyunion.  It seems like there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes.  Clint has always been a "class-act" (pardon the cliche').  I also think there are a lot of people beyond him that are involved, including US Soccer.  Further, this would really be a first.  The English/Europeans have no respect for American soccer, so the first Champions League team to take him is taking a big risk.  That might be changing now that American interests have invested in the EPL. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 24, 2012, 02:42:58 PM
Fulham logged a complaint against Liverpool regarding Dempsey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18886354
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 28, 2012, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: sac on August 24, 2012, 02:42:58 PM
Fulham logged a complaint against Liverpool regarding Dempsey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18886354

If Dempsey wants to play in the Champs League, why is he looking at Liverpool?   :P    8-)   ;D

Seriously though, Fulham have looked really good in their first two fixtures WITHOUT Clint, scoring 5 goals in their opener and certainly not laying down in a 3-2 defeat at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 28, 2012, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on August 28, 2012, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: sac on August 24, 2012, 02:42:58 PM
Fulham logged a complaint against Liverpool regarding Dempsey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18886354

If Dempsey wants to play in the Champs League, why is he looking at Liverpool?   :P    8-)   ;D


He won't be getting there with Fulham.  Liverpool may or may not make it this season, but they are on the rise again.  Personally, I prefer the new role of "plucky underdogs"--takes some of the pressure off.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on August 28, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
Liverpool and Fulham tied on points last year.  I don't see how Liverpool is on the rise considering they got their butts kicked against WBA and have  1 point in two games vs Fulhams 3 pts in 2 games so far this season... Liverpool spent ridiculous money on Carroll (35mil) less than two years ago, now he is on the outs and they will be lucky to get 15 mil for him. They have spent another 15 mil this season on a Swansea player who is less than spectacular.  Fulham just sold Dembele so the chances they continue to finish top 10 took a bit of a hit.  But, if they re-invest that money in a decent manner they should do just fine.

Dempsey has handled his situation miserably.  If Liverpool wanted him they would have bought him already.  Now the odds are that Dempsey is on the way to Sunderland which is laughable.  They would be lucky to finish top half of the table even if they picked up all 20 players they are linked with.  Dempsey needs to stop biting the hand that feeds him.  If Arsenal/Tottenham comes knocking that would be great, if not, sit tight at Fulham and sign with someone on a free next summer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 28, 2012, 10:05:12 PM
I thought King Kenny was supposed to bring Liverpool back?   :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 28, 2012, 10:47:06 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on August 28, 2012, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on August 28, 2012, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: sac on August 24, 2012, 02:42:58 PM
Fulham logged a complaint against Liverpool regarding Dempsey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18886354

If Dempsey wants to play in the Champs League, why is he looking at Liverpool?   :P    8-)   ;D


He won't be getting there with Fulham.  Liverpool may or may not make it this season, but they are on the rise again.  Personally, I prefer the new role of "plucky underdogs"--takes some of the pressure off.

I watched them against Man City, they looked more than respectable.  IF they stay healthy they should give a run to the Euro spots.  Although that was Man City without Aguero for 90 and Silva for 75, big difference there.

In the meantime between overdosing on the EPL last fall/winter/spring, the Olympics and my new found like of the show 'Hustle'.....I'm a little English cultured out. ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hoosier Titan on August 29, 2012, 09:23:13 PM
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on August 28, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
Liverpool and Fulham tied on points last year.  I don't see how Liverpool is on the rise considering they got their butts kicked against WBA ...

Let's check at the end of the season, shall we?  One match doesn't say a lot.

Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on August 28, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
Liverpool spent ridiculous money on Carroll (35mil) less than two years ago, now he is on the outs and they will be lucky to get 15 mil for him. They have spent another 15 mil this season on a Swansea player who is less than spectacular. 

For the record, I like Andy Carroll a LOT.  He's worked his socks off and was the best of the Liverpool strikers in the cup matches last season.  The transfer fee was not his fault and it's ridiculous to hold that against him now.  He may not fit into Brendon Rodgers' plans--he may not be quick enough--but he's going to be a great player for someone. And it was not the current manager/football director who bought Carroll for the huge fee.

Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on August 28, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
They have spent another 15 mil this season on a Swansea player who is less than spectacular.

You are presumably referring to Joe Allen, who was 43/46 (96%) for passes completed against the PL Champions Manchester City and voted Man of the Match.  His job isn't scoring, but he does his job spectacularly well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 31, 2012, 03:01:16 PM
Liverpool made a late bid for Clint Dempsey today, a day after the expected loaning out of Andy Carroll to West Ham.

Man City seemed to load up
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on August 31, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
Clint Dempsey to Spurs
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on September 12, 2012, 12:30:52 PM
I'm not very knowledgeable, but the USA victory over Jamaica last night didn't seem very impressive.
They at least had enough time to score a second goal, but sat back and seemed to fall asleep.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on September 12, 2012, 01:07:27 PM
The U.S. had an incredible first half and were very unlucky not to score multiple times. Its part of soccer that some nights just aren't going to be yours. After scoring the foot definitely came off the pedal. Given the fluky nature of the goal (Jamaican keeper had some tremendous first half saves but needed to do much better with that one) I think the U.S. team just decided that it wasn't their night and not to push their luck. Jamaica is a counter attack team, with lots of speed. With nothing to lose, they were going to flood forward any time we lost the ball. Defensively, Boca, Cherundolo and Cameron are not exactly fleet of foot, so its a bad matchup to allow the counter when preventable. So tactically, there was a lot of danger in pushing for a second goal and some limited up side.

Of course, the U.S. did not do a good job of maintaining midfield possession even once the foot came off. From that perspective they didn't execute a perfectly legitimate and defensible tactic very well, which is why the last 30 minutes looked as sloppy as it did. I'd give the U.S. a 6 out of 10 on the night overall. The first half was very well played and the U.S. was just unlucky, the second half not as much especially after they shifted from attacking to holding. That was down right dismal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on September 12, 2012, 01:45:18 PM
Thank you.  +k
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 25, 2012, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on August 28, 2012, 07:31:39 PM

Liverpool may or may not make it this season, but they are on the rise again.  Personally, I prefer the new role of "plucky underdogs"--takes some of the pressure off.

Sitting in the bottom 3 and still looking for their first win of the Brendan Rodgers era, things aren't looking so good in Liverpool these days...

And they couldn't have picked a worse time to air this documentary series on Fox Soccer.  Talk about adding insult to injury?!

Does Rogers survive past Christmas?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on September 25, 2012, 04:30:06 PM
2 of Liverpool's losses have come with a player dubiously sent off and they've played 3 of the 4 top teams in England so far.  (Man U, Arsenal, Man City).   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on September 25, 2012, 04:49:31 PM
I think Rogers survives past Christmas...

One thing I love about Liverpool fans is the "Why always us?" mentality, as if the world is out to get them.  I have a handful of friends that love Liverpool and all they do is complain about Man U and officiating.  Liverpool has some decent players but their expectations are always unrealistic.  A top half finish would be just fine for the Reds.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 25, 2012, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: sac on September 25, 2012, 04:30:06 PM
2 of Liverpool's losses have come with a player dubiously sent off and they've played 3 of the 4 top teams in England so far.  (Man U, Arsenal, Man City).

I wouldn't call Shelvey's dismissal 'dubious'.  He had a pretty reckless feet first challenge and he had also been warned by the referee earlier in the match.  Now, the awarding of the PK for United could be considered dubious, but I don't think there was any doubt that Shelvey deserved red for that challenge...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 01, 2012, 02:01:30 PM
Clint Dempsey had the eventual game winner at Old Trafford for Tottenham

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQvSCUjE30
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 01, 2012, 03:30:24 PM
Nice to see him on the field and making an impact. I always worry when our guys transfer to a bigger club that they will end up buried on the bench. Some promising American careers have been damaged by transfers and coaching changes. Others just never lived up to the hype (poor Freddie Adu who somehow was a man-sized boy at 14, and a boy-sized man at 22). Between Clint, Jozy's hot start, Micheal Bradley if he can get back on the field after his injury, Americans are making more waves in Europe every year. It's a good sign that the American program continues to slowly improve as it has over the last 30 years. In another 20 or 30 years, we might even be a true top 10-15 nation year in and out. Hopefully by then MLS will actually have a national TV contract and following that allows them to put a top 10-15 league on the field.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 23, 2012, 07:14:49 PM
In the most recent episode of Being Liverpool, I spotted a Franklin and Marshall sweatshirt in a crowd shot outside Anfield.   I guess F&M gear is relatively popular in Europe.

Its worth the read
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/2608/the-two-identities-of-franklin-marshall


Title: Re: US World Cup "Blizzard Match"
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 23, 2013, 12:12:36 AM
Qualifier Final:  USA 1, Costa Rica 0  (there was a blizzard going on for virtually the entire match-- a Dempsey goal within the first 20 minutes holds up, --barely)

And next Tuesday, they play in Mexico --

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 22, 2013, 01:50:34 AM
The Liverpool troubles continue:  serial biter Luis Suarez strikes again.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130421/suarez-bites-opponents-arm-then-scores.ap/?sct=hp_t2_a11&eref=sihp

Over/under on how long he will be suspended: in 2010, he was suspended 7 games for biting; I'm setting the line at 15 games.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 22, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 22, 2013, 01:50:34 AM
The Liverpool troubles continue:  serial biter Luis Suarez strikes again.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130421/suarez-bites-opponents-arm-then-scores.ap/?sct=hp_t2_a11&eref=sihp

Over/under on how long he will be suspended: in 2010, he was suspended 7 games for biting; I'm setting the line at 15 games.

Should be longer than that if you ask me.  This guy is clearly missing a few screws in his head and I really hope the FA has the stones to make an example out of him.  I mean, what makes you freaking grab an opponents arm and bite them?  And this wasn't his first incident with biting an opponent?  :o WOW?!  Mike Tyson thinks he's crazy?!  Dude is a racist nut job and I hope his days in the EPL are done!

And the fact that he had an impact on the outcome of that match yesterday after the bite only added insult to injury...  ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 24, 2013, 03:10:59 PM
Well, the FA is softer than I thought - he is banned for just 10 games (which means the rest of this season and the first six games next season).  (If he should be sold out of the EPL, does anyone know if FIFA enforces one league's bans in other leagues?)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 25, 2013, 01:26:43 AM
Its the 5th longest ban in EPL history.  It wasn't worse than what Barton or Di Canio did

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4901426/Top-10-longest-Premier-League-bans-after-Luis-Suarez-10-game-suspension.html

Seems right in line and maybe even a little harsh compared to some of the other bans.  Eden Hazzard of Chelsea received a 3 game ban this season for kicking a ball boy.  That actually seemed worse to me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on April 26, 2013, 12:23:41 PM
Quote from: sac on April 25, 2013, 01:26:43 AM
Its the 5th longest ban in EPL history.  It wasn't worse than what Barton or Di Canio did

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4901426/Top-10-longest-Premier-League-bans-after-Luis-Suarez-10-game-suspension.html

Seems right in line and maybe even a little harsh compared to some of the other bans.  Eden Hazzard of Chelsea received a 3 game ban this season for kicking a ball boy.  That actually seemed worse to me.

Too harsh?  He's a freaking serial offender?!  He's already been banned 7 matches for biting, 8 matches for being a racist and now another 10 matches for biting yet again and you think this is harsh?  Maybe if there was no history of being a complete racist psychopath I might agree?   ???

And I'm not condoning what Hazzard did, but I would hardly call what he did to that ballboy as kicking.  The kid totally embellished the tap that Hazzard gave him.  Not to mention, it's not the job of the ballboy to lay on the ball to delay the game and prevent Chelsea from getting the ball back in play.  If you ask me, that kid should never get the chance to be a ballboy for the bush league tactics of laying on the ball like he did...  ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:23:29 PM
You seemed to have missed a couple key words

Quote from: sac on April 25, 2013, 01:26:43 AM
Its the 5th longest ban in EPL history.  It wasn't worse than what Barton or Di Canio did

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4901426/Top-10-longest-Premier-League-bans-after-Luis-Suarez-10-game-suspension.html

Seems right in line and maybe even a little harsh compared to some of the other bans.  Eden Hazzard of Chelsea received a 3 game ban this season for kicking a ball boy.  That actually seemed worse to me.


You can't kick a ball boy, way wrong, no matter the situation.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 11, 2013, 02:22:16 PM
FA Cup final just in:  Wigan Athletic shocks Manchester City, 1-0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 13, 2013, 02:24:29 AM
stunning finish from the English Championship promotion semi-final.

the set up:   Leicester led Watford 1-0 after the first leg,  Watford were leading the second leg 2-1 to make it 2-2 on aggregate.  Leicester were awarded a "soft" penalty very late in stoppage time and could seal their trip to Wembley with a conversion.  Then this happened.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JgUevnYJOvI



may have out done the finish from the final day in England's League One

Doncaster at Brentford

the set up, Doncaster need one point to secure promotion to The Championship a win gives Doncaster the League One title.  Brentford can also win promotion with a victory leaving Doncaster in the play-offs.   Bournemouth is promoted and can win the division if Brentford win this game.

pretty much the last kicks of the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4SK8PP-UP8
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 13, 2013, 10:26:48 AM
Link to the Leicester/Watford finish the wankers haven't disabled yet........wait about 20 seconds it will run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGDOJfuhzo8
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 15, 2013, 03:55:03 PM
Odd week for Wigan.  On Saturday, they win the FA Cup; on Tuesday, they get relegated! :o
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2013, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 15, 2013, 03:55:03 PM
Odd week for Wigan.  On Saturday, they win the FA Cup; on Tuesday, they get relegated! :o

Wigan made a couple of firsts with their FA Cup win.  They were the first team to win the FA Cup making their first appearance in the Cup Final which was a good thing.  :)  Now they are also the first team to win the FA Cup and then go on to be relegated which is not such a good thing...  :-[
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 16, 2013, 06:39:24 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 16, 2013, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 15, 2013, 03:55:03 PM
Odd week for Wigan.  On Saturday, they win the FA Cup; on Tuesday, they get relegated! :o

Wigan made a couple of firsts with their FA Cup win.  They were the first team to win the FA Cup making their first appearance in the Cup Final which was a good thing.  :)  Now they are also the first team to win the FA Cup and then go on to be relegated which is not such a good thing...  :-[

Just saw another thing about the FA Cup: Man City's payroll is TEN TIMES that of Wigan ($300M to $30M) - victory (however short-lived :P) for the little guys! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 17, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
Hoping to see Palace back in the Premiership.  Quite a long time before that match gets played, though.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 19, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
disappointed to hear NBC will be covering English soccer starting next year.  I've loved FOX Soccer and ESPN's weekend game's.


It does sound like NBC is going all out though.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130416/english-premier-league-nbc-tv-coverage/
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 19, 2013, 06:41:06 PM
Gunners in the CL again!  At the expense of Spurs again!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on May 25, 2013, 12:46:51 PM
Today German Soccer gets its day in the spotlight!  Go Bees!
Schwarz-Gelb auf Immer!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on May 26, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
That was a great game....thought Dortmund might do it, but Robben was superb.  His late goal was fantastic...all finesse, just rolled it by the keeper. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Joe Wally on May 26, 2013, 09:54:35 PM
Yesterday was a tremendous day for German football, and Arjen Robben too.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 27, 2013, 04:57:42 PM
Crystal Palace returns to the EPL with a 1-0 extra time win over Watford.


Cardiff, Hull, Crystal Palace........think all 3 will have trouble staying up next year.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 29, 2013, 11:44:06 PM
Louis Suarez's tone has changed considerably this week.  Stay tuned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22712272
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on May 30, 2013, 09:31:55 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on the sorry performance of USMNT in the friendly against Belgium in Cleveland the other night? 

Also, thoughts on where Dempsey will play in '14?  Sounds like Tottenham is looking to dump him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 04, 2013, 08:47:46 AM
Sounds like the US made up for that Belgium loss somewhat with their win over Germany--but they still need to work on their defense. They've got a big World Cup qualifier coming up in Jamaica on Friday.

Speaking of the "Reggae Boys", they play Mexico later today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 04, 2013, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: woacfan on May 30, 2013, 09:31:55 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on the sorry performance of USMNT in the friendly against Belgium in Cleveland the other night? 

Also, thoughts on where Dempsey will play in '14?  Sounds like Tottenham is looking to dump him.

The USMNT is suffering an ideology problem. The team has grown passed the stage where it needs to be a park the bus counter-attack team against anything but the best opponents. However, learning to be the full-time aggressor, while still playing good defense, is proving to be a problem. I still think the team lacks the creativity to create chances from a possession oriented run-of-play offense, so set pieces and breakawys are going to remain the bread and butter scoring ops for the team, regardless of what Coach Klinsman would prefer.

Sadly, our current coach doesn't seem capable of always distinguishing between when we need to play a defense oriented game against a superior opponent (he got it right versus Italy and in Mexico but wrong versus a superior Belgium and a road qualifier in Honduras) and when we can and should be able to go on the attack. He still wants to partially bunker in away Concacaf qualifiers while playing free at home. Against Germany's B team the U.S. could play even up or better than the opponent, same with Scotland last year. With Belgium's A team we couldn't play that style and he didn't recognize it and we got shelled.

When it comes to the upcoming qualifiers, we should be able to dominate. There isn't a team in Concacaf, except Mexico, that can match the U.S. talent. The lack of confidence we showed in Honduras was a problem, and the general poor play the last time in Jamaica can not be repeated. If the U.S. plays up to potential it should be able to go without losing through the rest of qualifying. I don't think it will happen, but it should. Mexico away was a lucky point, as we were thoroughly dominated, but I'll take it and expect it to happen to us going forward. Now lets move forward with confidence.

Hopefully some of the creative talent that is promised in F. Johnson, Boyd, Holden, Dempsey, Altidore, Bradley, Zusi and a few others can come to the forefront. More importantly, hopefully we can settle in a backline and give them some confidence and experience. Gonzalez, for all his mistakes in the last couple games, is still full of potential and just needs seasoning. To my surprise Evans played well at back as did Beasley and Besler was ok in the center. I think adding some seasoning with Goodson will help. I'd like to see Goodson paired with Gonzalez simply to help Gonzalez along. We will see who else steps up to the plate to settle that back line.

As for Dempsey, he doesn't match Tottenham's needs. It's not that he isn't good enough to play for Spurs in the role he was assigned, and he did play well even if he didn't score as much as hoped, but he isn't flashy enough for Spurs ambition. That is a team that wants to be top 3 or 4 in the EPL, and a "hardworking" player like Dempsey just isn't going to help them move the needle in a playmaking position. Plus, a "playmaking" American just isn't going to cut it with the top European fanbases. They need that position to generate revenue, tickets, shirts and goals, and Dempsey isn't going to do it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 04, 2013, 11:56:04 PM
Final:  Mexico 1, Jamaica 0  (A 48th minute goal by El Tri holds up. Jamaica misses on several close shots in 2nd half).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 05, 2013, 07:20:19 AM
jknezek, great analysis. 

I had great hopes for Klinsmann, but now wonder if he is up to the task.  I've always thought Americans needed to open up and play more creatively with the ball, but it doesn't seem we have quite enough skill to do that yet.

As for Dempsey,  I hope the best for him.  He left Fulham to get on a Champion's League team, only to have the Spurs not qualify.  I am wondering if he might not have better success at Dortmund, where they don't have a bulging bank account and will be probably be without their star striker...I guess its all idle speculation at this point. 

Anyway,  thanks for the insights...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 05, 2013, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: woacfan on June 05, 2013, 07:20:19 AM
jknezek, great analysis. 

I had great hopes for Klinsmann, but now wonder if he is up to the task.  I've always thought Americans needed to open up and play more creatively with the ball, but it doesn't seem we have quite enough skill to do that yet.

As for Dempsey,  I hope the best for him.  He left Fulham to get on a Champion's League team, only to have the Spurs not qualify.  I am wondering if he might not have better success at Dortmund, where they don't have a bulging bank account and will be probably be without their star striker...I guess its all idle speculation at this point. 

Anyway,  thanks for the insights...

Don't write off Klinsmann. He is attempting to transform the team, and that is not a simple or quick process. I'm not sure it will be completed in his tenure, but I hope that even if he ends on a sour note, as I think is possible in Brazil, I hope the coach that follows will not revert to our previous philosophy. We have to keep moving forward, even if it is painful at times.

The other thing to remember is that Klinsmann is not a "tactical" coach. His run with Germany was propped up by the tactical genius of Joachim Low, the current German coach. Without Low Klinsmann had a very mediocre (at best) run as a club coach, from which he learned he needs tactical help. Klinsmann is a motivational coach, he deals with players needs and how to train and focus them, but he hasn't shown that he knows how to position them and get them to play team soccer specific to each opponent. Basically Klinsmann needs to have a strong tactical second and I'm not sure Martin Vasquez is good enough at the level we want to play.

If you look at the current players on the USMNT this is, by far, the most talented group we have ever seen. So either they are not gelling well together, or they are being asked to do something they aren't yet capable of doing, or they aren't being set up to succeed. I think it is somewhere between the three, but I do think they are too talented to go back to parking the bus. Klinsmann has the right idea, we are just missing a few pieces. Objectively, the team is probably somewhere between 20 and 40th best in the world. So we should play straight up against 10 through 50, dominate below that and bunker above it (obvious exceptions for road versus home, friendly versus important, etc). The key then becomes, "know how good your opponent is" so you know what style to play.

Here's hoping Klinsmann can figure it out

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 07, 2013, 11:40:00 PM
U.S. beats Jamaica 2-1. That's 4pts from 3 road qualifiers. Only Costa Rica and Panama to go on the road. Not bad, not great. Game had some moments, but the inability to keep a clean sheet is going to hurt at some point. The two goals late, one by both teams, made it more interesting than it needed to be. Losing Jones to a concussion could be a problem, losing Zusi to yellow accumulation is a problem for the home game against Panama.

Panama and Honduras at home coming up before the long break to September (as far as qualifiers, there is the endless joy of a meaningless Gold Cup in July, at which we should be heavily favored since Mexico will send a B team while the A team comes off the Confederations Cup). Anyway, picking up 6 home points in the next 2 qualifiers should be expected and, more importantly, put us in decent qualifying shape. 

Remember top 3 automatically go through and number 4 gets New Zealand in a home and home winner qualifies. Jamaica is on early life support, so that just means one more to fall down the ladder and the remaining 4 can fight for who doesn't have to play the life and death matches with Oceania's chip-on-the-shoulder champion.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 08, 2013, 12:05:20 PM
Reading the post-game commentary, sounds like USMNT's recurring problem is putting opponents away.  They take the lead and can't hold it.  If they are going to play a more open game, they probably need to upgrade the back line.

JKnezek, any thoughts on Donovan's exile from/return to the team?  Graham Zusi may have been the man of the match last night and he plays the same spot at Donovan.  Do you move Donovan to the other side and would he be willing to go there?  Back when LD took his brief turn in the Bundesliga, Kinsmann was a big supporter, but now its an icy relationship.  Do you see a spot for "America's Greatest Player"?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 08, 2013, 05:55:43 PM
Quote from: woacfan on June 08, 2013, 12:05:20 PM
Reading the post-game commentary, sounds like USMNT's recurring problem is putting opponents away.  They take the lead and can't hold it.  If they are going to play a more open game, they probably need to upgrade the back line.

JKnezek, any thoughts on Donovan's exile from/return to the team?  Graham Zusi may have been the man of the match last night and he plays the same spot at Donovan.  Do you move Donovan to the other side and would he be willing to go there?  Back when LD took his brief turn in the Bundesliga, Kinsmann was a big supporter, but now its an icy relationship.  Do you see a spot for "America's Greatest Player"?

Couple of points here. The problem is scoring. Every team will tell you they would like more. We had a few more chances last night to score, but it's not like we had 10 good opportunities and got two. We had maybe 5 or 6 and got 2, which isn't great but it's something Mexico would kill for right now!

As for problems with the back line there are really two solutions. As you suggest, better players would help, but really some experience would help. Our back line last night was Gonzalez (under 10 caps), Besler (under 8 caps), Beasley (well capped but under 10 caps in a wing back role), and Brad Evans (under 10 caps and only 2 or 3 on the back line). In front of them we had the well capped Bradley and Jones, and they were both stellar, until Jones went down and in came Cameron, who is on his 14th cap. So really, we have a good young back line, but it is very inexperienced especially with each other. So we may have the players and we're just short of teamwork.

The other problem is we're just not real good at the possession game that Klinsmann wants to play. We aren't bad at it, considering it's relatively new for a U.S. style, but we had only 57% of the possession. A good possession game will have 60+. There were whole 10 and 15 minute stretches where Jamaica had 75% of the possession, and that just isn't what we are trying to make happen. So the guys are playing forward, they are pressing, they are moving forward in possession, but if they give it away it leaves the back line exposed and we give up goals. The foul that led to Jamaica's goal last night was a prime example of this. Doing better on the set piece, of course, would have solved the problem as well. Having 5 plus the goalie behind the ball is different from the 8-9 plus the goalie we have typically played. So our defense may actually be better (not sure that is true, but it's hard to tell across the philosophies), but they are under so much more pressure that we are leaking goals.

Now, on to Donovan. His exile will end at the Gold Cup if he wants it to end. Klinsmann has preached that you have to be playing, you have to be playing to your ability, and you have to be challenging yourself in your league. Taking time off from MLS meets none of those criteria and it really irritated Klinnsman. But Donovan is a veteran playmaker who is still very talented compared to our player pool. He'll be back in some role, but it will interesting where. I see him and Dempsey playing underneath Altidore with F. Johnson, Zusi, Bradley and Jones filling in behind somehow. Just remember, Zusi is out for the next game due to yellow card accumulation and I'm sure Klinnsman wishes he had Donovan available to fill in. Our pool isn't deep enough to ignore Donovan, though I think his days as an automatic starter are coming to a close. He will be around for a while as an option to spell or rotate some of the other playmakers, something that the U.S. has not had a deep enough pool to do in the past.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 11, 2013, 08:05:22 PM
Costa Rica/Mexico up shortly:
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 11, 2013, 09:01:59 PM
Half:  Costa Rica 0, Mexico 0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 11, 2013, 09:46:26 PM
It looks to me like there are 5 legitimate contenders (don't think Jamaica gets through) not only to advance but to possibly finish 1st. The gap has significantly closed between US/Mexico and the 2nd tier of CONCACAF. I can't imagine what would happen if Mexico not only didn't make the top three but missed the playoff as well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 11, 2013, 10:11:33 PM
Final:  Costa Rica 0, Mexico 0.   (El Tri sees another opportunity to gain more than one point at home slip through the fingers).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 12, 2013, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on June 11, 2013, 10:11:33 PM
Final:  Costa Rica 0, Mexico 0.   (El Tri sees another opportunity to gain more than one point at home slip through the fingers).

More importantly the U.S. takes care of business at home beating Panama easily 2-0. Panama had a few opportunities down the U.S. right side early with Eddie Johnson and Evans struggling to find the defensive form Zusi shared with Evans, but overall the U.S. did real well until some late game lapses as Panama pushed everyone forward. A nice game for the U.S. where they could have gotten 2 or 3 more (hit the posts twice and the crossbar once), but 3 points puts the U.S. top of group. Certainly there is still a lot of room for defensive improvement, but offensively that was one of the more creative displays for 75 minutes I've seen out of a U.S. squad.

16 points usually assures qualification from the hex. The U.S. has 3 remaining home games, including one against bottom feeder Jamaica. While playing in Costa Rica and Panama won't be easy, both those games could yield points. The Mexico game could be way more interesting for El Tri than for the U.S. I still expect Mexico to get it in gear, they have too much talent vis a vis the competition, but the pressure mounts if they have a bad showing at the Confederations Cup. Chepo probably won't survive them not progressing past the group stage...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 18, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
Big game tonight. Win gives the U.S. a very good shot at going to Brazil. Honduras is missing a lot of key parts and the game is in the U.S. This should be a good opportunity for the USMNT to get some payback for that first hex game.

U.S. will be missing DaMarcus Beasely but otherwise should be a complete team with Jones back from his concussion and Zusi cleared of his yellows. However, 9 other U.S. players are sitting on yellows, meaning if this game gets chippy the U.S. could be short-handed for the first game in September.

A win puts the U.S. in clear control of the group, but depending on the outcome of Costa Rica hosting Panama, the U.S. could be as much as 4 points ahead of the next team in the hex (Panama win or tie). A loss could put the U.S. team 1 point behind Costa Rica (Costa Rica win), who hosts the remaining game between the two teams. It doesn't seem like much, but there is a massive difference between winning and not winning this game.

Every team but Jamaica in the hex is pulling for Honduras tonight to muddy the waters. Five of the six teams still have a good chance at being in the top 3, let alone in the do or die 4th spot. Jamaica is not mathematically eliminated yet, but sitting on 2 points with 6 games played leaves them in very bad shape and hoping that Panama and Honduras lose so they are still within realistic striking distance of the 4th spot.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 19, 2013, 07:30:45 AM
That was a tale of two halves last night.  Just some random thoughts, Graham Zusi continues to impress and is executing well from is midfield position.  Altidore is in top form...finally.  The commentators didn't say much, but Mike Bradley was solid.  I haven't been a fan of his, but thought he looked very good last night.  Finally, what do you do with Jermaine Jones?  He is a maddening player to watch- one moment he is brilliant and the next moment he is brilliantly bad. 
Second half US squad played with pace and executed well.  Klinsmann had them playing up top with high pressure and a quick tempo...I liked it.
Its worth noting that in the first half the U.S. looked lethargic and tentative.  It might have been the heat or lack of confidence.  In any event,  the second half was much better.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 19, 2013, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: woacfan on June 19, 2013, 07:30:45 AM
That was a tale of two halves last night.  Just some random thoughts, Graham Zusi continues to impress and is executing well from is midfield position.  Altidore is in top form...finally.  The commentators didn't say much, but Mike Bradley was solid.  I haven't been a fan of his, but thought he looked very good last night.  Finally, what do you do with Jermaine Jones?  He is a maddening player to watch- one moment he is brilliant and the next moment he is brilliantly bad. 
Second half US squad played with pace and executed well.  Klinsmann had them playing up top with high pressure and a quick tempo...I liked it.
Its worth noting that in the first half the U.S. looked lethargic and tentative.  It might have been the heat or lack of confidence.  In any event,  the second half was much better.

It was an interesting game and you've got some great points. Zusi does look good, though his delivery last night was not as good as it has been. Some of the corner kicks, especially, looked off. But I'd say that for the whole team. Not sure if it really was a case of having a problem trying to unlock a team with 10 behind the ball, but I saw more "junk" from the U.S. than I had seen in a while. Too many backheels to no one, dummies that didn't find a tuck in runner, and there was a stretch from the mid first half to a few minutes into the second where I felt like I was watching England play a Route 1 game. Long balls up the middle that were easily choked out.

I've always been a Bradley fan, so I'm coming at this from the other side. The charges of nepotism were just junk when his dad was in charge, but he did need to mature and has done so. I think that frustrating 1/2 season at Villa was really good for him, and he has come into his own as the most indispensible player on the field for the Americans. Jones has had some great games, and some bad ones. Last night was one of the latter. I prefer Cameron in that role right now, but it is a trade off. With Jones on the field Bradley and Jones have a good understanding and split the defensive and offensive responsibilities, with Cameron on the field Bradley takes a more forward role and they become a bit more predictable. But Cameron seems more steady if not quite as athletic. In qualifying I think Cameron is a better asset. If you have to win on an explosive counter, Jones might be of better benefit. Although Cameron's long passes have been very, very good.

The player that really concerns me is Gomez. I know he is young, and inexperienced especially at this level, but he just seems to fall asleep every game. He needs to be able to concentrate for 90 minutes, and I still haven't seen that out of him except for the Mexico game. In these games where the U.S. is dominant, he seems to lapse out, and that is no good for a centre back. Bessler on the other hand, has been a revelation. I do worry about the outside backs as well. F. Johnson is wasted in that role, much better than E. Johnson as a winger and not as good a positional defender as Beasley, but Beasley is too small. And Evans... well, we'll see. I don't want to pass judgement on him since he has been in an unusual position and playing well, but he doesn't strike me as a natural in that position. Just a step slow and without the experience to make it up positionally. Dolo is too old for me to want to rely on him, though he has more than paid his dues in an American uniform.

13 points is great at this stage. Leading the group is great at this stage. The U.S. definitely looks good to qualify for Brazil without taking it to the nail-biting wire. The team looks to have much more cohesiveness and understanding of the roles Klinsmann wants them to play. I think a lot of that is the month long camp they have gotten out of this. Not playing in the Confed Cup is a real downer, as another week or two together would really help this team and it is clear we are not taking a first choice team into the Gold Cup.

On the other hand, I'm hoping the Gold Cup helps bring a bit more depth into the fullback and centre back positions. We could also use another striker or two, though Landon, Dempsey, E. Johnson can all fill that role. Terrance Boyd, as he showed with an amazingly bad decision against Germany, simply isn't tactically ready. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 19, 2013, 09:35:11 PM
I've grown to appreciate Bradley in recent years.  I thought he was a tentative player who was as likely to give up the ball as to take it away.  I really didn't care whether or not he was coach's son,  it was the fact that he just didn't seem to be authoritative in his position.  However, I have done a 180 on that.  Either I was wrong, or he has gotten better or a combination of both.
Gomez does seem to be in over his head at the moment....
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 20, 2013, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: woacfan on June 19, 2013, 09:35:11 PM
I've grown to appreciate Bradley in recent years.  I thought he was a tentative player who was as likely to give up the ball as to take it away.  I really didn't care whether or not he was coach's son,  it was the fact that he just didn't seem to be authoritative in his position.  However, I have done a 180 on that.  Either I was wrong, or he has gotten better or a combination of both.
Gomez does seem to be in over his head at the moment....

He broke into the national team so young it doesn't surprise me he was a bit tentative for a defensive mid. Then he had to contend with being the coach's son. It was a tough road but he was good to start and kept getting better as he learned his role. Now he's one of the best box to box CM we've had in my memory. Reyna and Ramos were both more creative but not as hard nosed and John O'brien was injured before we really could find out just how good he could have been. The pairing of Reyna and O'brien was so good in 2002, adding in Donovan and Beasley's breakthrough and the lucky knockout round draw, not surprised that team did so well. Having O'brien healthy would have really helped in 2006. But none of those guys were box to box the way Bradley has turned out. Although a little more creativity would be welcome.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 21, 2013, 09:21:16 AM
U.S. U-20 men's team opens the U20 World Cup today against Spain in Turkey. Spain is the reigning UEFA U19 champions and has an incredible team. The U.S. bracket is simply miserable with Spain, France and Ghana, a team that won the U20 World Cup not that long ago. I don't expect much from this U.S. team, especially since it has a very makeshift backline. Seems like defense is proving to be a problem at all levels of the USMNT program right now. Bit scary looking forward...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 01, 2013, 10:06:29 PM
Anyone watch those Confed Cup matches yesterday?  Man, that was some entertaining futbol to watch.  The 3rd place game was actually more entertaining even though it had to go to PK's to get a decision. 

And how about Brazil?  They were being left for dead by their fans prior to the start of this tournament and then they absolutely DOMINATED from start to finish including a 4-2 thrashing of Italy and last night's 3-0 beatdown of the world's best team!  The Brazilians look like they're going to be a pretty formidable home side by the time the World Cup rolls around next summer...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 01, 2013, 11:43:13 PM
Why do they need PK's for the third place game? ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 08, 2013, 06:07:48 AM
Canada and Mexico both drop their Gold Cup opening matches. (Interesting to see how far Canada's opponent can go in this thing).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 08, 2013, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on July 08, 2013, 06:07:48 AM
Canada and Mexico both drop their Gold Cup opening matches. (Interesting to see how far Canada's opponent can go in this thing).
How far will Mexico's coach go?  But they did lose to a good team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 08, 2013, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on July 08, 2013, 06:07:48 AM
Canada and Mexico both drop their Gold Cup opening matches. (Interesting to see how far Canada's opponent can go in this thing).

Both Martinique and Panama have made Gold Cup runs before. Canada's team is experimental, to say the least. When you take a country that isn't very good to begin with, and then send an experimental lineup, odds are you aren't going to be good. They were outclassed by Martinique, which is in the unique position of being able to cherry pick a few former French internationals (so long as they haven't played in 5 years) to round out an experienced squad. They aren't a bad team, and will probably battle for the second spot in the group. Canada appears to be the worst team by a longshot.

Mexico sent a largely youth squad with some B/C team veterans. Panama sent an A/B squad to continue to build a team to challenge for the last couple World Cup spots. Mexico, as usual, has more talent but less... I'm not sure, but it's something intangible. I'd call it heart, but it's more along the lines of general teamwork and self-belief.

Chepo is in big trouble if Mexico don't make the Gold Cup final. Winning with his disjointed bunch will not be easy, but the talent is there.

Either way, the games yesterday should be a good warning to the B/C team the U.S. has assembled. There just isn't a big enough gap in CONCACAF that you can send scrubs to the Gold Cup and guarantee yourself wins. That being said, I still expect to see the U.S. and Mexico play at some point, but if Panama tops the group it could come before the final. C1 (hopefully the U.S.) will play A3 or B3 in the quarters, C2 could play A3 in the semis. I don't expect Mexico to fall that far, but it is possible. C3 (lets hope not the U.S.) might play A1 in the quarters or A2 in the semis. Most likely A1/A2 will meet C1/C2 in the final. Funny how the Gold Cup is set up that way!

Honduras in Group B and Costa Rica in Group C is like Panama, an A/B team, so both could be dangerous as well.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 09, 2013, 12:10:41 PM
U.S. opens the Gold Cup tonight against Belize, which is mostly a semi-pro team. Shouldn't be too hard for the U.S. to get a win, though I wouldn't be surprised to see Belize park the bus in their defensive third. After watching the raw athleticism Haiti put on display last night in an unfortunate losing effort, and the strength Martinique played with to garner their opening win against Canada, I have to think the Jaguars are the weakest team in the tournament.  Anything less than a convincing U.S. victory will be disappointing.

The game starts at some absurd time like 11p.m. est, so it is doubtful I will watch it. Hopefully the U.S. will build on their Guatemala success and make it look as easy as it should be. A good home crowd in Portland should help.

In the early game Costa Rica should handle Cuba, depending on how strong a team the Ticos put on the field. Just from what I've seen so far, I'm thinking Group C should be the group without a qualifying third place team, making it the easiest group in the tournament. Quite a change from the Group of Death the U.S. U-20 team got hammered into, and quickly eliminated from, in Turkey.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 10, 2013, 08:42:24 AM
I stayed up to watch the Belize-US game last night. Not sure why, but I got sucked into it. About what I expected. Belize is not a good team. Looked the weakest in the tournament. They parked the bus and it worked for a while. They had 2 or 3 scoring opportunities on fast breaks and a few more because the US set piece defense looked awful. Belize got a goal out of it, which was definitely what the U.S. defense deserved.

As for scoring 6 for the second game in a row, the 6th goal was a penalty kick that should never have been called. The other 5 were solid goals, with Wondo getting the first 3. Two were sitters, one was a nice header. He's good for this level of competition, but Jack Mac would have gotten 2-4 goals the same way Wondo got 3 and missed 2 more. The U.S. could have scored 10, or they could have misfired and gotten 2 or 3, but the game was never in doubt. Seemed like the US had close to, if not more, than 70% possession.

As far as players, the central defense pairing did not look good. Beckerman may be one of Klinsi's favorites, but he's not good enough. Especially against a weak team. Beckerman looks to go back or sideways first, and when playing a team that parks the bus, he's useless. Came off at halftime and Holden was an improvement. Nice to see Holden get a goal. Overall he had some good moments, as did Torres and Corona, in the creative role. Then again, they should since they were playing a semi-pro team.

Donovan had a strong game, Beasley had a strong game. Diskerud did not have the accuracy I want to see at this level. He wasted some good passing and movement opportunities by being off target more than he was on, but he kept his motor running.

Cuba is next and I expect the US to have a marginally tougher time of it. There probably won't be 3 six goal games in a row, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a 3-1 or 4-1 score. Don't have a lot of faith the US will keep a clean sheet. Cuba is better than Belize, but shouldn't present a challenge. Costa Rica did not impress in their win, especially given they brought a good chunk of their A team. We'll see how the games go, but the US should win all 3 group games. Nice to see a ramp with Guatemala, Belize, Cuba, and then the Ticos. Should give the team a chance to gel considering it is not a group that plays together much.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on July 11, 2013, 11:52:45 PM
Nice overview of that US/Belize match jk. 

I too got sucked into watching although I went to bed about the 80 minute mark.   8-)

It was nice to see Donovan back on the pitch for the US and he looked pretty good in doing so.  Probably a good game to get him back into the swing of things for the National Team.  It was also good to see Holden back as well and I was happy to see him get a goal.

Overall, I'm happy with the lopsided scoreline as the US did what they were supposed to do.  But, Belize is just not a good squad and there isn't really much you can take away from this match.  Nice to see some new faces get a chance, but the question is, how would they do vs. tougher competition? 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 12, 2013, 08:56:19 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on July 11, 2013, 11:52:45 PM
But, Belize is just not a good squad and there isn't really much you can take away from this match.  Nice to see some new faces get a chance, but the question is, how would they do vs. tougher competition?

Agreed. But let's face it, the competition in the Gold Cup is what it is this year, and that means not a single CONCACAF hex team brought more than an A- squad (Panama). Most brought B (U.S.) or even C (Mexico) squads. Heck, even some of the teams not in the hex brought weakened teams (Canada), although they could hardly afford to do so. I understand why the Gold Cup is played every other year, but it is something of a bad joke at times.

On another note, last night's games were not much of an improvement. Panama is 2-0-0, scoring 3 goals, but 2 came on penalty kicks. I don't think anyone is really going to fear that squad right now. Martinique can play solid defensively, but they don't seem capable of generating any offense (1 wonder goal in the dying minutes of the first game, pretty limited opportunities last night).

Canada is woeful, although they played better last night than against Martinique. And Mexico is a very limited squad. That 2-0 win didn't do much to convince me they are anything but a talented group of young individuals with no team play and limited tactical ability. Plus, like the real senior team, they show no ability to score on any chances they create. Mexico has 1 goal from the run of play, one from a set piece, and one from a penalty kick.

It will be interesting to see if Mexico can get it in gear versus Martinique, as I think Martinique will be pretty worn out in game 3. Fatigue showed early last night, not helped by playing shorthanded thanks to the stupid ref giving an unjustified second yellow, and the final group game is in Denver. The altitude will be much harder on Martinique than on the Mexicans, and Mexico is a much deeper team. A 3 or 4 goal game, going into the knockout stages, might get Mexico back on track.

As for the Americans, Cuba will be better than Belize (provided the team waits until the end of the tournament to defect) and Costa Rica will be better than Cuba. Then it will depend on our next opponent. I'm interesting to get another view of Haiti tonight, as they looked insanely athletic in their unjustified opening loss. Not a team I'd want this U.S. team to face in the first knockout game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 12, 2013, 12:59:32 PM
It was fixed.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130711/belize-gold-cup-fix.ap/

They should fix the name CONCACAF name. :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 12, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 12, 2013, 12:59:32 PM
It was fixed.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130711/belize-gold-cup-fix.ap/

They should fix the name CONCACAF name. :P

I've seen this story and just don't understand it. You were paying the weaker team to lose, so you would have had to bet on the favorite. The players say the fixer just wanted to make sure they lost, not lost by a certain margin, and since the U.S. was heavy favorites the odds on a straight up win for the U.S. had to be a pretty poor payoff to begin with. Not sure how fixing this game, in the way describe, would have made the fixer much money...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 14, 2013, 12:27:53 PM
The U.S. played a good game against Cuba yesterday. Went about how I expected, as I really think the U.S. is not good enough in defense to keep a clean sheet. All 3 goals were well taken, and the PK was earned unlike against Belize, and I'm coming around on Wondo. He's making good runs and finishing them off, there isn't much more you can ask for. At a higher level, I don't think he has the speed to make those runs count, but for this level of competition he looks like a good choice for Golden Boot.

Klinsi has asked a lot of Donovan, I think he is one of only 3 players not rested in the first 2 games, so I think some of this is a bit of punishment for Donovan's defiance. Donovan has responded well, although both goals have been PKs. Still, he has created a lot of chances and not missed any sitters, plus he's been invaluable from every area in tracking back. Klinsi will not be able to ignore him, not matter how much he wishes he could.

Holden didn't have his best night and Shea looked like he needs to go back to remedial soccer lessons. I'm hoping Shea is still in an injury and rusty hangover, because if this is what we can expect he is not a winger for the future. Gooch was ok, but I think he's topped out. He might be a 3rd centerback option for World Cup coverage, but I just don't see him getting a starting job back. Beltran needs some work.

I'm always hard on Beckerman, but he had a good game last night. Much more offensive minded, broke up attacks nicely, and had a beautiful assist. He's not World Cup quality given our midfield choices, but credit where it is due for last night's game.

Costa Rica had a bad night against Belize. While they had the better of play, and probably should have scored another goal or two, Belize almost earned that late draw. If Costa Rica comes out that same way against the U.S. I'd expect a 3-1 or 4-1 game. If they play like they did the second half against Cuba, I expect the U.S. to win 2-1 or 3-2. 

Either way, I've said it before. The U.S. should not lose in the group stage and I really hope being C1 does not land them a date with Haiti. That team would be a bad matchup for the players we have available.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 14, 2013, 08:51:12 PM
Villain's guide to football.

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21581724-football-clubs-can-easily-be-used-stealing-machines-here-instruction-manual

Cleaning Up Football

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21581725-fight-against-corruption-football-should-start-top-ref

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 17, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
Well, much like the first night of group play at the Gold Cup, the last night did not go as I thought it would. Martinique has to be wondering if the fixers finally offered something Belize couldn't resist. That was not the same defense as what we saw against Costa Rica or even the U.S. Very interesting. It also hurt the U.S. Instead of getting a weakened Martinique team in the first knockout round, the U.S. gets a much tougher game against El Salvador. Mexico and Panama now get the easy opponents, T&T and Cuba respectively, while Costa Rica gets to face another CONCACAF middleweight in Honduras. Overall, Cuba's 4th goal was a bad thing for the top of Group C.

As for the U.S.-Costa Rica game, I'm surprised the U.S. kept a clean sheet. I think we also saw a U.S. team lacking the finishing we saw previously. Wondo missed the chance or two that he converted in the previous games, Donovan missed a sitter, and generally the offense did not look sharp. However, the Costa Rican defense is no joke, despite Roy Miller's inclusion (why is he so good for the Ticos and was so bad for NY Red Bulls?????). The goalie should have been red carded, that was an intentional handball, outside the box, on a shot on goal. There is no room for interpretation there and the ref just blew it.

The goal was pretty, but it was a counter-attack. So the U.S. was unable to break down Costa Rica's base defense. Not a good sign for later in the tournament. On the upside, the defense looked better, much more organized and in the game, even if it lacked the ability to go forward into attack effectively.

Best game belongs to Beasley. Worst game has to be Torres or Wondo. Neither were particularly bad, but they both had moments that killed promising attacks or just bungled simple plays. Holden also lacked something creative and the ability to get involved, although he was playing a bit deeper than usual.

Kudos to Klinsman for putting an offensive team on the field. No Beckerman meant no true defensive midfielder. Unfortunately it didn't really pay off in finding ways to unlock the Ticos. But we're on to El Salvador and the knockout rounds with 9 points, so it is hard to complain too much as the U.S. did as expected.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 18, 2013, 11:54:20 AM
A bit surprised that Klinsmann used all 4 of his Gold Cup roster subs heading into the knockout round. I'm going to go on record as saying I think allowing this is stupid, a roster for the tournament should be stable throughout the tournament and you stick with the guys that got you where you are headed. That being said, I do see a method to Klinsmann's choices.

Gooch and Gomez need to go and start their club prep. Plus neither has been a prime cog with Gooch nursing a minor ankle injury and Gomez mostly ineffective, especially compared to Wondo. I'd say Shea needs to go try and claim a spot with Stoke, but I think Klinsmann is so afraid of Shea's psyche he kept him around just to keep the kid from going off the deep end thinking he failed.

Releasing Jack Mac makes no sense to me unless he was disappointed in the kid. If he brought the kid in to give him exposure, then keep him around for the tough part so he knows what he is looking at. If he brought him in and it turned out to be a mistake, which is why he never played, then sending him home makes sense. From Klinsmann's comments, however, disappointment didn't seem to be the problem. I guess Klinsi just thinks he needs more immediately useable offensive power after the Costa Rica game. Plus it's possible Klinsmann thinks he cost Jack Mac a shot at the MLS All-Star game, and sending him home now allows him a shot at being the first alternate. That might be more important than sitting on the bench as far as Jack's progress goes.

Sending Ashe home makes sense since he was mostly around to round out the roster and he was the best hope for adding depth to the outside back position. Probably just isn't good enough to consider right now, which is why he never sniffed the field.

As for who got called in, that is more interesting. Gonzalez and Besler make sense because you want them building chemistry. Absolute requirement for center backs, even though I think O-Fiscal and Goodson were good enough for this tournament. It is interesting that you now have 2 pairs of central defenders on the roster, something that probably doesn't make much sense. I'm wondering if Klinsmann is hoping to move O-Fiscal to the outside, a position that Goodson is ill-suited for, since I don't think Parkhurst has impressed. I also don't know why he didn't call in Evans instead of Johnson. Both play for Seattle so the complaining would have been limited, and bringing in Evans and giving him more exposure at the back spot makes sense. Also it would have given you a full four possible best choices along the back line to keep building cohesion. Very strange.

Johnson as a speed winger does make some sense, as we seem to lack some speed on the wings although we have more technical ability. I think the lack of final third ideas against Costa Rica worried Klinsmann, so Johnson comes in to provide more tactical options and some more experience. As for Alan Gordon I just don't know. His call up again points to Jack Mac being disappointing, as Gordon isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. Still, if you are looking for that last piece of depth, and Jack and Gomez aren't it, I guess Gordon is the next in line for a look.

It's going to be interesting to see who gets on the field going forward.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 22, 2013, 08:59:46 AM
Hard to take too much issue with the U.S. team yesterday. Yeah, the goal they gave up was painful. Not the PK itself, although I'm sure the way that was taken irritated Rimando, but more the way he dribbled through 3 guys before the 4th fouled him for the PK.

Still, the 5 goals were all strong. Couple from set pieces, one or two from fast breaks, and a couple from the run of play. That was not El Salvador's A team, mostly a young group getting blooded for the next World Cup cycle, but it still was a credible CONCACAF team that the U.S. absolutely shredded. Fun to watch. This offensive minded "B" team might be my favorite U.S. tournament team of all time. Granted you have to take into account the competition, but even doing that, we've never played with so much offense in a Gold Cup before. And we've never been so efficient. Klinsmann, at least for this team and this tournament, has turned a team that should have been a favorite into a team that is really playing like a favorite.

In the second game I think the U.S. caught a break. Not having to play Costa Rica twice is a relief. Their defense had us locked down pretty good, and I think Honduras will be easier to break down. Would not surprise me to see a 3-1 or even a 3-0 game as I don't think Honduras has much in the way of offense. Andy Najar has a good future ahead of him, but I don't think it's quite there yet. Costa Rica really blew that game with Saborio missing two sitters. Seems to be a phobia with him and, maybe, the whole Costa Rican team when it comes to Honduras and the Gold Cup.

Similarly, I think Panama is actually a better team than Mexico right now, but I just don't see them beating El Tri twice in one tournament. It will be an interesting game to watch though, as Mexico has to feel some heat when the game starts not to let the unthinkable happen. El Tri was not sharp against T&T, haven't been sharp all tournament or all year, and just look very vulnerable right now. In fact, I feel a bit of role reversal. The U.S. is playing the way Mexico has usually run through CONCACAF tournaments and Mexico is playing the way the U.S. usually does, just doing enough to win without making it look good or easy.

Last thoughts... what happened to Wondo? He rolled through 3 games with the weakest opponents but can't seem to do anything against the last two better opponents. It reminds me of what I thought at the beginning of the tournament, Wondo has a hard ceiling. He's crafty and he positions himself well, but he's not athletic or quick enough for the real international game. Against the minnows he can find those spaces and gimmes, against the better teams he's just not a big enough threat. Even with Donovan taking the majority of defenses' attention, Wondo just doesn't have enough innate ability.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 25, 2013, 08:59:32 AM
Yet another game for which it is hard to find anything to complain about. Yes, set piece defense is still a problem, but we knew going into the tournament that defense was an issue. We're leaking goals, and last night's goal looked suspiciously similar to the one Belize scored on us, but it should be fixable. It's just a matter of better organization. Not sure why it hasn't been addressed regularly in practice. Working on set pieces is something that can be done in a light practice during a tournament.

The three goals were all well earned. Donovan is the man of the tournament so far. The most disappointing players last night had to be Stu Holden, who disappeared for long stretches and made his biggest contributions laying on the awful looking turf, and Brek Shea. Shea came in as a sub and it was a flashback to the Cuba game all over again. Bad touch, no clue where he was supposed to be or where to play the ball. Similarly, Mix Diskeruud came in and did not look great. Mix seems much stronger when he starts, he really has struggled when he's come in off the bench.

The ref was awful. He let the game get out of hand with fouls, missed some dangerous ones, gave cards when they weren't deserved (although EJ got one rightly for being stupid) and didn't give cards when he should have. Hopefully we will not see that ref again in the final, although the ref for the other semi was hardly any better. We'll have to wait and see on the verdict for Klinsmann, but the ref was just wrong about that whole series. He was wrong about who got the throw, he was wrong not to call a foul, and he was wrong to remove Klinsmann from the bench. Thankfully the U.S. scored early and controlled enough of the game that the ref was not a real factor.

As for Panama and Mexico, all you can really say is the two best teams in the tournament are meeting in the final. I understand that was a Mexican "C" team, or at best "B-", but they were not good enough for this level of competition. Panama, on the other hand, with essentially an "A-" team, is going to be a very tough out in the final. This is not Panama's first Gold Cup rodeo, they own the only Group Stage win in tournament history against the U.S., they have beaten Mexico twice in one tournament, and they have played in a Gold Cup final in 2005, losing on penalties to the U.S.

This is a Panama team good enough to beat the U.S. if the Americans get sloppy or don't take the game seriously. Blas Peres will be a nightmare on set pieces, and the defense is organized enough to hold the U.S. if they get a little lucky and the goalie has a good night. The U.S. should win 2-1 or 3-2, but there will be nothing easy about it. A win is important not only for taking the title and a shot at the Confed Cup in 2017, but also because we have the Canalmen on the road coming up in WC qualifying. A win here will keep the other Concacaf teams on their heels, something that should help smooth out a first place qualifying campaign.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on July 28, 2013, 11:55:51 PM
Nice win for the USMNT capturing the Gold Cup.  It was a struggle to break through the Panamanian defense, but the result never seemed to be in doubt.  Loved the passing.  Was looking for a few more runs (I though the commentary was spot on in that regard).  Wondering who will make the World Cup squad that's on the bubble.  We seem to have a multitude at the midfield position.   

Loved Klinsmann's post game interview! 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 29, 2013, 09:21:31 AM
Definitely a good win. That was not the game I expected Panama to play. They didn't play that defensively either game against Mexico, but they sure bunkered back against the U.S. If nothing else, it's a huge mark of respect for how the U.S. is playing and how they are changing the way they play. When you have 70%+ possession in a regional championship game it's because your opponent is afraid of you.

It was a good game, regardless of the score. The U.S. created 3 or 4 good chances, missed all but the one, and a half dozen or so half chances. I think Panama had maybe 1 or 2 half chances and never even threatened. I'm not sure why they played the game they played. They were either going to need to be very lucky on a counter or play for penalties. While the U.S. has definitely played that game in the past when faced with superior opponents it is tough to win a major championship that way (and yes, for Panama, the Gold Cup is a major championship). Panama had proved to be a good enough team to open it up a little more. They chose not to and lost about the way you should expect.

On to some player commentary. That's a bummer about Stuart Holden. Hopefully it's nothing major but I just can't help thinking he won't survive an English Championship season. Fortunately there was very little drop off when Diskerruud came in. Joe Corona played oustanding, as did Bedoya. Johnson had a bit of an off night. Beckermann had another good performance. He elevated his game real well for this tournament. I still think, like Wondo, he's capped out at this level (and Wondo not sniffing the field in the final despite our lack of offense should tell you something there) but he played his way into a trophy for the national team and earned it.

Donovan should be back with the full national team, even though last night wasn't the magic he had been earlier in the tournament. Corona maybe as well. Bedoya didn't hurt himself. Torres, Brek Shea (despite his two gimme goals), Parkhurst, Fiscal probably put themselves a bit further down the list. Goodson and Beasley played like we thought they would, though for the 5 minutes Gonzalez was in the game he was dominant as Panama pushed at the end. Besler was fine for our purposes. He's still probably the best pairing with a physical center back. For the most part, other than Donovan, I don't think anyone forced Klinsmann to truly re-evaluate. We are still looking for outside backs, we should be strong up the spine with O Gonzalez, Besler, Bradley and Jones as well as Goodson, Beckermann, Holden, Diskerruud, and Torres as backups and Fiscal as a last option in the back.

The midfield will be crowded and we're still an impact forward short right now, but the depth for the U.S. is looking as good as it has for a while. A few more young kids to come good at the U20 level in defensive backs and we'd have decent coverage across the board. Or maybe our German contingent will get healthy enough to help out.

Either way, on to a friendly in August in Europe for our overseas guys, then hopefully we can wrap up qualifying with 4 points or so from Costa Rica (road) and Mexico (home).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 31, 2013, 12:15:40 PM
So Stu Holden goes down in the final game of the Gold Cup, Brek Shea goes down for a while in his first exhibition game with Stoke (and boy did he not need that!), Herc Gomez is staring at some surgery... good thing we've developed some depth. Apparently the Gold Cup is cursed!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on August 03, 2013, 09:24:02 PM
Okay, JKnezek,  educate me...why is Dempsey playing in the MLS?
I thought he wanted to be on a Champions League Team.  I had read that Tottenham wasn't pleased with him, and of course they didn't make the CL. 

It almost seems a shame that he left Fulham.  Now they have American owner and that's where he made his name. 

Also,  would he be better off playing on a top German or French squad instead of coming back....

They may be dumb questions,  I just don't get his return to MLS.... ???
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 03, 2013, 11:59:46 PM
It is definitely an interesting choice. Not one I expected him to make. The thing to remember is Dempsey is now 30 years old. He had some very good years at low to mid table Fulham and one very mediocre year with Spurs. I'm sure he could have gotten a 2 year deal at a mid table team but his big shot to play Champ League soccer went past last year. Seattle gave him a huge 4 year deal and almost guaranteed playing time going into a World Cup year. Not a bad deal.

There are some other advantages as well. We need Clint to be a big fish player for the US team, something he will get a lot of practice at with Seattle instead of just fighting for field time with a new team. Second, MLS is no longer a joke league. It is not a first tier league by any stretch but the better half of MLS teams would survive the second division of England or Germany. At a fraction of the cost as well. So it probably won't hurt him much, pays him well, and secures his future. It also helps the league.

Overall I'm not thrilled as I think he could have aged at a higher level for another year or two, but I can see how his choice makes sense.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 15, 2013, 10:13:16 AM
12 in a row is 12 in a row. Considering the record is 15 wins in a row in international soccer, 12 is very impressive. What makes it more impressive is a few ancillary facts: 1) only 2 games were friendlies, 2) basically 3 different teams were used (WC qualifiers, Gold Cup, Europe friendly). What makes it less impressive is a few ancillary facts: 1) almost all the games were at home, 2) only 1 game was against a team ranked higher than the U.S. in the FIFA rankings, 3) several games were against teams ranked below 100 in the FIFA rankings.

Yesterday was a nice win, but I'm not as high on the game as the commentators. Yes, winning in Europe is fantastic. Winning against a solid team in Europe is a good omen for the U.S. Both the newbies who saw extended time played as well as could be asked (Brooks and Johannsen) although Brooks got shaky at times as can be expected when your youngster has to hold off Edin Dzeko.

Why wasn't I thrilled? Because the U.S. was thoroughly beaten in the first half, the possibility of 2 missed penalties (for the U.S.) and the possibility both goals scored (against the U.S.) could have been offside, the U.S. was more or less uncoordinated in the back, missing passes in the midfield (Micheal Bradley aside), and Diskerud looked lost playing underneath Jozy. At halftime, B-H played in 4 subs, destorying their teamwork. After the first U.S. goal they subbed in 2 more. That makes more than half the side out before the Jozy goal binge. Not exactly a first team vs. first team comeback.

B-H's subs destroyed their midfield continuity, allowing the U.S. back in the game. Given a competitive game with 3 subs, that would never have happened and it is unlikely the U.S. gets back in the game.

All that being said, it was a very good second half for an A- or B+ U.S. team against a B+ very good European team. It was not, however, the statement game that many commentators and pundits are making it out to be.

Jozy and Bradley were outstanding in both halves. The only two field players who earned that distinction. EJ was completely at fault on the first goal, kind of made up for it early in the second, but those mistakes are unforgivable at a World Cup (right Claudio Reyna?). Cameron and Brooks didn't have the coordination and communication needed to be paired at center back against a player like Dzeko. Not suprising given it was basically 2 days of prep for the game and Brooks debut. Diskerud and Bedoya were both ok going forward, despite missing some ops, but Diskerud was not good enough to play underneath in a 4-2-3-1 system. Jones was not good. I'm souring on him a bit as Bradley's pairing.

Evans continues to impress playing out of position at outside back. Fabian Johnson is not an outside back and needs to play in the midfield. Evans doesn't get forward real well and FJ can't play defense. Interesting problem that needs to be solved before Brazil.

I will say that I think the U.S. has more creative talent that it has ever had before. Unless Johansson comes along very quickly, we're still missing that second impact striker. The midfield has as many options, and is in as good a shape both outside and inside, as I can ever remember it. The center back options continue to grow (if Brooks sticks with the U.S.) and has gone from a glaring weakness to a moderately deep contingent of options, none of which are world class, but many of which are probably good enough to get the job done. Outside back is still in flux. We seem to have lots of options in Beasley, Evans, FJ, Parkhurst and a few others, but all seem to have significant drawbacks that need to be addressed.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 16, 2013, 09:05:58 AM
More interesting than the game the other day, MLS continues to retain and sign top American talent. Using a combination of "retention funds" and the designated player label, MLS has either signed or retained Clint Dempsey, Omar Gonzalez, Graham Zusi, Matt Besler, George John, and Tony Beltran... all players who have been to at least a January camp if not earning caps. Add to that Chris Wondolowski and Landon Donovan, both under DP contracts, and Dax McCarty and Chris Pontius, both resigned using retention funds and both at least possibilities for January camps in the future (though Pontius is the better bet based on age and position), and you can see a concerted effort by MLS to keep American talent at home.

Why is this significant? For one thing, it can only help the league get better with talent and more popular with fans as bigger American names show up on the field. That is critical to earning the ever-larger TV packages the league needs to continue signing better players and putting a better product on the field. It is also significant that these Americans are staying home. Having seen some very good careers derailed, or at least stalled, in Europe, I think as long as these players can get paid to stay home and develop a little more it can be a good thing all around.

This is a trend to keep an eye on from a U.S. player development angle, an MLS development angle, and a national team angle. We'll have to see if playing time trumps "challenging yourself at the highest level" in Klinsmann's philosophy and how it affects these players that are choosing to stay home.

On a last note, I think MLS is an improving league. In my mind it is at least on par with the top Scandinavian leagues, Belgium, and better than the Eastern European leagues (minus Greece and Turkey), Scotland, and the second tier leagues in England if not better than the second tier leagues in places like Portugal, France, and completely bankrupt Spain. So if those are your transfer options, and you can get paid at least as much in MLS, it makes sense to stay home. If you can transfer to the Premier League, the Bundesliga, La Liga, or Italy, that is going to be a step up. Mexico's LigaMx is also a slight step up, though unless you play for a top team, not as much as it used to be.

What does all this mean? MLS is making strides and flipping past an MLS game on the TV just because it is MLS and not a European league no longer means you are a "serious" soccer fan.

*** as an addendum to this, it is important to note the role MLS single entity structure plays in the process. Most of the players "retained" or signed to DP contracts play on top tier MLS sides (the exception being Pontius at DC United). If you are a star player at a low impact team, it is very hard to move laterally in the league. You are pretty much going to have to agitate to go to Europe to get on a better team. Or play out your contract and then leave on a free transfer. So it makes sense that Seattle, LA, NY, RSL, KC and Dallas have had success holding on to, or attracting, American stars. I don't think many of the other teams would be as successful.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 25, 2013, 08:11:07 PM
Still 9 years off, but what a mess: FIFA finally noticed that soccer in Qatar in June and July is impossible!  Rather than re-vote the location (and have to give back all those bribes :P), they are planning to move the WC to the winter.  Problems: November or December - Fox would no doubt sue for the return of their $400 million rather than see the WC get absolutely buried by the NFL; January and February 2022 is Winter Olympics; March/April would yield incredible backlash from leagues throughout the world; May thru October it is constantly over 100 degrees in the shade (of which there is none in Qatar).

Good to see total corruption occasionally get 'hoist on its own petard'. ;D  (Not that Sepp Blatter gives a flying **** - he'll be dead by 2022.)

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 26, 2013, 02:16:43 PM
The whole situation was always ridiculous. Hard to complain about a country buying an event given Salt Lake City's Winter Olympic situation a while back, but giving the World Cup to Qatar was a good indication of how FIFA works (or doesn't). It will be a late fall World Cup and I hope Fox does sue to get their money back. They probably won't since they will want to keep some kind of relationship going forward, especially now that they have those Fox Sports Channels to fill with content, but I can see someone taking this to CAS. Probably the English Premier League as they seem the most intractable about the change.

As for the U.S., we can just keep laughing whenever someone says MLS needs to join the "international calendar". MLS would love to see late fall World Cups as it wouldn't interfere with the season. Sure you lose some left over glow because of football, but it makes scheduling a lot easier. Apparently the "international calendar" is for sale, like everything else at FIFA...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on August 30, 2013, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 25, 2013, 08:11:07 PM
Still 9 years off, but what a mess: FIFA finally noticed that soccer in Qatar in June and July is impossible!  Rather than re-vote the location (and have to give back all those bribes :P), they are planning to move the WC to the winter.  Problems: November or December - Fox would no doubt sue for the return of their $400 million rather than see the WC get absolutely buried by the NFL; January and February 2022 is Winter Olympics; March/April would yield incredible backlash from leagues throughout the world; May thru October it is constantly over 100 degrees in the shade (of which there is none in Qatar).

Good to see total corruption occasionally get 'hoist on its own petard'. ;D  (Not that Sepp Blatter gives a flying **** - he'll be dead by 2022.)

This is one of the biggest jokes in the history of soccer.  I'm wondering how FIFA is going to deal with all of the pissed off European professional leagues that will either have to interrupt play or go on without their international stars? 

All FIFA saw was the big money being flashed in front of them.  The thought of actually having to play soccer in the summer in Qatar?  Oops???  Forgot to think about then when looking at the overall bids???  It was a travesty when Qatar won the bid over the US in the first place and now that we're facing the possibility of MOVING the World Cup makes this an even bigger travesty?!

With the whole Johnny Football debacle going on with the NCAA, I was having a hard time thinking any organization could be either more corrupt or more inept than the NCAA.  Than this reminded me that FIFA totally fits that description.  Maybe Seth Blatter and Mark Emmert can get together to compare notes as to see just how to continue to one up each other...  ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 30, 2013, 11:03:15 AM
On the other hand, the 23 man roster the U.S. posted for next week's WC qualifier in Costa Rica might be the best, or at least most in-form, roster I've ever seen the U.S. produce. There isn't a player on that roster that I would cringe if he got on the field. Ok, maybe Edgar Casillo but he did look better in his last game. And maybe Beckerman, but that's just an ongoing issue I have with him and Klinsi's man love for his hair. It's the only possible explanation for his continued call ups.

If we can't win in Costa Rica with this roster, it may never happen.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2013, 12:06:13 PM
So much for things clearing up in the Hex... US falling 3-1... Mexico losing at the Azteca 2-1... Panama scoreless draw... Costa Rica now leads things with the US 1 point behind. Honduras has passed Mexico for the 3rd automatic spot and Mexico is just 1 point ahead of Panama for the playoff spot.

During the Mexico game they were talking about how coach Chepo probably wouldn't coach the World Cup if they made it but that the loss could mean he wouldn't be around for the US game... just found out that he has indeed been fired.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on September 07, 2013, 12:27:58 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2013, 12:06:13 PM
So much for things clearing up in the Hex... US falling 3-1... Mexico losing at the Azteca 2-1... Panama scoreless draw... Costa Rica now leads things with the US 1 point behind. Honduras has passed Mexico for the 3rd automatic spot and Mexico is just 1 point ahead of Panama for the playoff spot.

During the Mexico game they were talking about how coach Chepo probably wouldn't coach the World Cup if they made it but that the loss could mean he wouldn't be around for the US game... just found out that he has indeed been fired.

The U.S. game was an embarrassing mess. Part of it can be blamed on Bradley getting hurt in warmups. Anyone who doesn't think he is the most important player on our team just has to look at last night's midfield and defense to know without him creating order and doing the dirty work, we are in big trouble. I just can't even comment on it. The U.S. looked overwhelmed, underprepared, without a clue, and like a team that has never played together before. Very disappointing. I don't mind losing a road qualifier, especially to one of the region's better teams, but the skill, effort and desire has to be better than what the U.S. laid out in a stinker last night.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2013, 05:48:33 PM
Sepp Blatter has now admitted that they knew all along that playing the WC in Qatar in June, July was impossible, and that 'we may well have made a mistake'.  He then went into a phony PC diatribe about soccer being no longer just a European and South American sport and we must recognize that Europe no longer rules the world (translation: we are NOT giving back all those petrodollars; besides I'll be retired and/or dead by 2022).

FIFA is infinitely beyond the IOC and NCAA for cluelessness and/or corruption.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on September 09, 2013, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2013, 05:48:33 PM

FIFA is infinitely beyond the IOC and NCAA for cluelessness and/or corruption.

+K. Although I will say that this has been the case for quite a while.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on September 09, 2013, 08:25:14 PM
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I envision the pitch looking something like this... one of the indoor ski areas that Qatar built for jet setters to enjoy in the middle of the desert.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on September 11, 2013, 09:01:33 AM
The legend of Dos a Cero grows for Columbus. At this point, it's just weird. The U.S. weathered a brutal first twenty minutes before clawing their way back into the game. Around halftime it was a much more even contest and by the end, Mexico's will was broken and the U.S. had total control.

Considering we were missing a lot of pieces, this was a good win. I'm still wondering how much losing Bradley in warmups cost us in Costa Rica. He is crucial for the U.S., and the defensive and midfield game plan hinge on him. Not having him as a last minute surprise really did a number on us. With a few days to prepare, Beckerman and Jones together did most of what Bradley does by himself. That tied us down a little bit deep and kept us from playing the kind of possession ball we have recently showed. But it worked out in the end.

Nice to know we have qualified, though that should ALWAYS be the expectation given how qualifying is currently set up. Hopefully we can top CONCACAF and end up in a decent group in Brazil. We won't be a seed, definatelyl haven't earned that right, so we are going to have a big dog in the group with us. Hopefully it will be a big puppy like England and not a big wolf like Brazil.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Sirius90 on September 11, 2013, 09:28:10 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 11, 2013, 09:01:33 AM
The legend of Dos a Cero grows for Columbus.

Mysterious legend indeed, including jinxing Dempsey into spraying the PK 3 feet wide...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on September 11, 2013, 09:34:09 AM
Quote from: Sirius90 on September 11, 2013, 09:28:10 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 11, 2013, 09:01:33 AM
The legend of Dos a Cero grows for Columbus.

Mysterious legend indeed, including jinxing Dempsey into spraying the PK 3 feet wide...

With Donovan on the field, Dempsey should not be taking penalties. That being said, I still can't decide if he missed on purpose knowing it didn't matter. Don't think he did, but kind of hope he did. That was his second straight bad penalty.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on September 11, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
What a great way to punch their tickets to Brazil by beating El Tri and putting their chances of automatic qualifying in serious jeopardy!   8-)

They might want to re-name Crew Stadium to Dos a Cero Field or something along those lines!  Crazy how we end up with that score line against Mexico every time we play them in Columbus!

And lastly, what an atmosphere in that stadium last night!  I saw Donovan comment on how hostile the away stadiums can be in qualifying and he mentioned last night it was nice to finally have a hostile crowd on their side!  I'm so used to seeing the stands half filled with visiting fans especially when we're playing Mexico or other CONCACAF squads and it was refreshing to see at least 95% of that capacity crowd pro-USA!  It was also pretty cool to see the boys come out and celebrate on the field with the thousand or so fans that stuck around until the finish of the Panama match!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2013, 11:17:06 AM
Since we're in a little break before more WC qualifiers I took a look around the world... it's not just Mexico that's struggling right now. I think England could be in trouble not just of not winning their group but being eliminated altogether even though they lead their group right now. They still have games against Montenegro and Poland who they both drew 1-1 on the road. I think that they must win one of those two if they want to avoid elimination. Ukraine still has Poland and a win against San Marino while Montenegro still has England and then a likely win over Moldova.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on September 25, 2013, 11:27:27 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2013, 11:17:06 AM
Since we're in a little break before more WC qualifiers I took a look around the world... it's not just Mexico that's struggling right now. I think England could be in trouble not just of not winning their group but being eliminated altogether even though they lead their group right now. They still have games against Montenegro and Poland who they both drew 1-1 on the road. I think that they must win one of those two if they want to avoid elimination. Ukraine still has Poland and a win against San Marino while Montenegro still has England and then a likely win over Moldova.

It is unlikely that England will lose at Wembley in a qualifier. It's not impossible, and they certainly haven't made their lives comfortable, but I think England will qualify much like I think Mexico will qualify.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2013, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 25, 2013, 11:27:27 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2013, 11:17:06 AM
Since we're in a little break before more WC qualifiers I took a look around the world... it's not just Mexico that's struggling right now. I think England could be in trouble not just of not winning their group but being eliminated altogether even though they lead their group right now. They still have games against Montenegro and Poland who they both drew 1-1 on the road. I think that they must win one of those two if they want to avoid elimination. Ukraine still has Poland and a win against San Marino while Montenegro still has England and then a likely win over Moldova.

It is unlikely that England will lose at Wembley in a qualifier. It's not impossible, and they certainly haven't made their lives comfortable, but I think England will qualify much like I think Mexico will qualify.
They may not lose, but it's not going to be easy to win either... and if they get two draws, I think they finish 3rd in their group and are done.
My prediction is that Ukraine wins both of their games and wins the group with 21 points, England and Montenegro draw, Montenegro beats Moldova to finish on 19 points meaning it comes down to England vs Poland. England would be favored but how bad will the pressure be on them. They win that and they'd finish with 20 points and be in a playoff... if they draw they only have 18 and would be eliminated.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 11, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
US wasn't stellar early on, but once that first goal found it's way in the US has looked much looser and like a team that's going to qualify number 1 in it's region.
Now to get ready for the big Mexico-Panama game a little later
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
That was some exciting action tonight. I thought Panama was going to pull it off but then the back to back stoppage time goals crushed their dreams. Mexico loses but survive to play another day... now they have to beat the only team to go unbeaten at the 2010 World Cup to advance.
Oh yeah... Honduras locked up 3rd and are qualified.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 16, 2013, 10:55:48 AM
Interesting finish to the Hex. I can't help but feel CONCACAF has one spot too many. It should be 2.5 spots, not 3.5. Mexico got less than half the available points in the Hex and is still alive, about what you would expect when 4 of 6 go through, but it really allows for a bad team to play for that final spot. I hope New Zealand can take them. Nice to see the U.S. finish with a win, even a wild one. I didn't get a chance to see the game, but it sounded like a typical road qualifier until the end. I will say this cycle has done nothing for making friends in the region for the U.S. Mexico will always be an archrival, but the snow game turned Costa Rica into an even more bitter enemy and beating Panama in the last minutes to knock them out certainly guaranteed a ton of vitriol when visiting that country. I can't help but feel we'll be facing more bags of flying urine than ever going forward. Oh well.

Two friendlies coming up to end the year. In Scotland and in Austria for the mostly European contingent to try and cement places. Then a January camp in Brazil for the MLS and Scandinavian players. I do wonder how the draw will go. We'll be unseeded and the seeds aren't going to include a softy (England or South Africa) like we got in South Africa. So the U.S. is going to have to play someone very unpleasant. Based on the draw, hopefully we can set up some sendoff games against teams playing similar styles. We have done fairly well with this in the last couple cycles.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on October 16, 2013, 11:40:54 AM
I disagree in regards to your comments on the 2.5 spots vs. 3.5 spots.  CONCACAF is showing a lot more depth than in years past.  Random teams in the final hex are earning points @ Azteca and there are very few blowouts.  Jamaica was the weak team this qualification cycle but they hung close in every game they played.  Although Mexico is going through a tough time at the moment they certainly have the talent to advance out of the group stage of the World Cup if they advance (which they should).

I believe Switzerland will be seeded this coming WC so hopefully the USA is tossed into their group.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 16, 2013, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on October 16, 2013, 11:40:54 AM
I disagree in regards to your comments on the 2.5 spots vs. 3.5 spots.  CONCACAF is showing a lot more depth than in years past.  Random teams in the final hex are earning points @ Azteca and there are very few blowouts.  Jamaica was the weak team this qualification cycle but they hung close in every game they played.  Although Mexico is going through a tough time at the moment they certainly have the talent to advance out of the group stage of the World Cup if they advance (which they should).

I believe Switzerland will be seeded this coming WC so hopefully the USA is tossed into their group.

I can see your point, but I still think the last couple teams left out of Europe and Africa can easily handle the way Mexico is currently playing. Look at some of the teams that are sitting in playoff spots from those regions. It really doesn't matter that much, one spot plus or minus, I just think CONCACAF's huge voting footprint gets them a spot they don't deserve in the cesspool that is FIFA politics.

As for Switzerland, I'm not sure we have a centerback that can hold down Ibrahimovic (SP??). That guy is a beast of a center forward.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on October 16, 2013, 12:06:37 PM
Europe will always have quality teams left out of qualifying.  That is what happens when you have 53+/- teams vying for 13 spots.  Random draw for groups with only the top team automatically qualifying and 2nd place being pushed into a playoff leaves teams like France and Portugal on the bubble this season.  I do not believe there is a fringe African team that will miss the tournament that would handle Mexico, even in their current state.

Ibrahimovic plays for Sweden.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 16, 2013, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on October 16, 2013, 12:06:37 PM
Europe will always have quality teams left out of qualifying.  That is what happens when you have 53+/- teams vying for 13 spots.  Random draw for groups with only the top team automatically qualifying and 2nd place being pushed into a playoff leaves teams like France and Portugal on the bubble this season.  I do not believe there is a fringe African team that will miss the tournament that would handle Mexico, even in their current state.

Ibrahimovic plays for Sweden.

I think Egypt would stand a very good shot at taking the Mexico we've seen playing, and they just fell apart against Ghana. The African teams are always strong and fast. And yes, I got my Sw's mixed up. Very embarrassing. +K for the correction...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on October 16, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
I agree that the African teams are always extremely athletic. Their biggest issue is being organized.  I think Bob Bradley is helping bring that kind of stability to the Egypt program but I don't think they have the quality in players to hang with Mexico.  Personally I think it is funny to watch the demise of Mexico, after the Gold Cup a few years ago when they crushed us 4-2 I was certain they would be the top CONCACAF seed for qualifying and have the chance to be seeded for the World Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 16, 2013, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on October 16, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
I agree that the African teams are always extremely athletic. Their biggest issue is being organized.  I think Bob Bradley is helping bring that kind of stability to the Egypt program but I don't think they have the quality in players to hang with Mexico.  Personally I think it is funny to watch the demise of Mexico, after the Gold Cup a few years ago when they crushed us 4-2 I was certain they would be the top CONCACAF seed for qualifying and have the chance to be seeded for the World Cup.

Mexico's problem has always been in their heads. In this case, their heads told them winning the previous gold cup in a walk, winning the Olympics, cruising through early qualifying had them on easy street. And they choked. Once the pressure turned on, Mexico does what it often does, they fell apart. They are technically and physically gifted, but mentally they are one of the weakest of the better teams in the world. It shows when the pressure turns up, and it almost always has. I'm not sure how they correct it, but I sure hope it never happens, otherwise they have the quality to be a true force.

I always think of Mexico as I used to think of Spain (prior to the last 8 years of course). Or as a lot of people think of Portugal. The talent is always there to be a final eight or final four team, the mindset never is.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on October 16, 2013, 01:35:33 PM
For those that didn't get to see it here are the highlights from last night's come from behind win.

The high quality version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qpt23kBTpg

...and the funny version with two announcers from Mexico.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvSEhX__L-w

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on October 26, 2013, 05:06:52 PM
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Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 28, 2013, 11:08:31 AM
18 years of New York Red Bulls support and I finally, finally, get to see them hoist a trophy that matters. When I was a kid we had season tickets for the first season before I went to college. Even then, I got to see several games a year in the summer. Every year until this year, I have seen at least one game.

Now I have to wonder if I will need to stay away forever...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 07, 2013, 10:49:50 AM
Well, I guess staying away from the Red Bulls didn't help their playoff outcome. Had to watch the game on Univision last night. My wife thought I was nuts since I'm barely literate in Spanish. It just hurt to watch. Oh well, there's always year 19!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2013, 09:08:59 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 16, 2013, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on October 16, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
I agree that the African teams are always extremely athletic. Their biggest issue is being organized.  I think Bob Bradley is helping bring that kind of stability to the Egypt program but I don't think they have the quality in players to hang with Mexico.  Personally I think it is funny to watch the demise of Mexico, after the Gold Cup a few years ago when they crushed us 4-2 I was certain they would be the top CONCACAF seed for qualifying and have the chance to be seeded for the World Cup.

Mexico's problem has always been in their heads. In this case, their heads told them winning the previous gold cup in a walk, winning the Olympics, cruising through early qualifying had them on easy street. And they choked. Once the pressure turned on, Mexico does what it often does, they fell apart. They are technically and physically gifted, but mentally they are one of the weakest of the better teams in the world. It shows when the pressure turns up, and it almost always has. I'm not sure how they correct it, but I sure hope it never happens, otherwise they have the quality to be a true force.

I always think of Mexico as I used to think of Spain (prior to the last 8 years of course). Or as a lot of people think of Portugal. The talent is always there to be a final eight or final four team, the mindset never is.

Mexico made it official -- they're in-- again, (barely).  El Tri's been doing better of late, the question is, how long can that consistency continue?  :-X :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 20, 2013, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2013, 09:08:59 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 16, 2013, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: GarbageGoals33 on October 16, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
I agree that the African teams are always extremely athletic. Their biggest issue is being organized.  I think Bob Bradley is helping bring that kind of stability to the Egypt program but I don't think they have the quality in players to hang with Mexico.  Personally I think it is funny to watch the demise of Mexico, after the Gold Cup a few years ago when they crushed us 4-2 I was certain they would be the top CONCACAF seed for qualifying and have the chance to be seeded for the World Cup.

Mexico's problem has always been in their heads. In this case, their heads told them winning the previous gold cup in a walk, winning the Olympics, cruising through early qualifying had them on easy street. And they choked. Once the pressure turned on, Mexico does what it often does, they fell apart. They are technically and physically gifted, but mentally they are one of the weakest of the better teams in the world. It shows when the pressure turns up, and it almost always has. I'm not sure how they correct it, but I sure hope it never happens, otherwise they have the quality to be a true force.

I always think of Mexico as I used to think of Spain (prior to the last 8 years of course). Or as a lot of people think of Portugal. The talent is always there to be a final eight or final four team, the mindset never is.

Mexico made it official -- they're in-- again, (barely).  El Tri's been doing better of late, the question is, how long can that consistency continue?  :-X :-\

Like most teams, it will depend on the group. They certainly aren't going to strike fear in anyone's heart. They need to settle on a coach and a style that will work for them offensively. It's a big task but the talent is there to at least get out of a group as they usually do.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on December 06, 2013, 12:20:32 PM
The U.S. gets a brutal group for the World Cup. Germany, Ghana, U.S. and Portugal. Ouch... El Tri not much luckier. Brazil, Cameroon, Mexico and Croatia. Easiest group? Switzerland, Ecuador, Honduras and France.

Besides the U.S., fans of Group B with Spain, Chile, Australia and the Netherlands have some brutal games as do fans of Group D, Uruguay, Italy, Costa Rica and England.

Overall, the three best CONCACAF teams of U.S., Costa Rica and Mexico have a tough road. I know Honduras finished ahead of El Tri, but you won't convince me they are a better team. However, they have a much easier road. CONCACAF will struggle to get teams out of the group stage this time.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on December 06, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
USA had about an 85% chance of getting a tough group no matter what.  It could have been worse I suppose.

The worst possible scenario was Brazil, Netherlands, Italy, USA.......so we avoided that. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on December 06, 2013, 12:42:14 PM
Quote from: sac on December 06, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
USA had about an 85% chance of getting a tough group no matter what.  It could have been worse I suppose.

The worst possible scenario was Brazil, Netherlands, Italy, USA.......so we avoided that. ;)

It is the World Cup, so you are most likely going to get a tough group, that's true. Still, not happy to see Ghana again. Hopefully the boys can actually take care of them this time since they've eliminated us from two straight senior world cups and a junior one. We lucked out a bit in South Africa and still barely scraped our way out of the group. We're going to have to work for this one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 06, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Brazil gets a rough draw with having Netherlands in Round of 16 and Spain in Quarterfinals...   Argentina gets a nice draw.  Can young Belgium make a run?

USMNT should finish 1-1-1 at best and HOPE to advance over Portual on goal differential. 

Brazil over Argentina is the mush prediction.

Wait for it... Wait for it... England 3rd place.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on March 29, 2014, 02:45:01 PM
Only a few weeks to go in Brazil.  I hear there are lots of venues still incomplete and in trouble.
Does anyone have any good information?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on May 03, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
What a 92 minute goal to avoid relegation to England's 1st Division looks like from the Championship side Birmingham crowd behind the goal.

Video warning:
1)  this will get deleted at some point
2)  the audio is god awful, turn the volume down
3)  the man holding the camera went a little crazy, avoid if you have vertigo
4)  they're English so their language is colorful, by colorful I mean not safe for work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb7wqb64C6k

Birmingham actually trailed 2-0 and scored in the 78th minute
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27167525

Birmingham's late heroics sent down Doncaster who you might remember were promoted last year under similar late heroics.  Amazing stuff.






Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 04, 2014, 01:44:39 PM
Awesome news about Copa America 2016.  Praying Atlanta or Nashville get some good games. Hoping these areas aren't excluded for summer temperatures
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 12, 2014, 08:31:58 PM
Somewhat surprised Tim Ream didn't make the 30 man roster. With Omar's iffy play in the back this year Bolton's POY might have provided good cover. Other than that, Sascha and EJ are the only players I was remotely surprised didn't make the list
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 22, 2014, 07:28:06 PM
Landon Donovan just paid for Julian Green and John Anthony Brooks allegiance to the USA. I hope it is worth it. Sad to see a legend dropped like that and hope the chemistry doesn't go France 1998 on us
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on May 22, 2014, 11:58:23 PM
Donovan has been the face of American soccer for so long, I suspect Klinsmann may have written his own termination slip.  It seems doubtful, with or without Donovan, that the US is going to make it out of this round. They haven't looked sharp recently. Keeping Donovan off the roster will undoubtedly alienate his fans and supporters.  When the US loses,  they will look to Klinsmann.  It reminds me of the Greg Ryan saga.

Seems to me that Klinsmann was never too keen on Donovan.  He made Donovan fight his way back after his bizarre year-long sabbatical. A recent ESPN special raised questions in my mind about their relationship.  During the special,  Donovan talked about fitness problems and said that Klinsmann was not pleased with him...it was a strange conversation.

Finally,  Donovan hasn't helped himself.  He comes off as a bit of a head case.  The sabbatical, his feud with Beckham, his reputation for flakiness.

In short, Klinsmann will be blamed when the US doesn't advance, so by keeping Donovan off the roster, he will be seen as ruining team chemistry, etc.   I doubt he is at the helm in 2018.

Postscript---- On the other hand,  the soccer press is reporting that he has a free hand as far as Sunil Gulati is concerned and a contract that runs through the 2018 Cup....maybe his internal support is so strong that he gets a pass at this WC.  I just don't see this particular squad doing too much against this competition.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 23, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
There is no doubt that Klinsmann has an issue with Donovan. I think he never understood why Donovan was happy with his life and how Donovan wanted to live his life. Donovan's ambition was to push U.S. soccer along in a way that he was comfortable with and he decided helping MLS and being a big fish in a small pond was the best way to do it. I've met Donovan twice, had a 15 minute conversation with him once upon a time, seen him play for the U.S. 4 times, and I can honestly say in my opinion Landon never lacked ambition. He just had a different ambition than to play in Europe. Some American soccer fans have never grasped that, and Klinsmann didn't either. I feel bad for Landon, and I worry that the team will have chemistry issues based on this decision and the inclusion of two German players, Brooks and Green, that were bought and may not be worth it. I doubt Green will see the field, and Brooks only if there are injuries to Besler, Gonzalez or Cameron.

I also don't understand why Boyd was left out. We have no cover for Jozy. He's the only target man on the team, and Boyd would have been a like for like backup. He's also in form. With Donovan, Dempsey, and Johannson all able to play the off striker, a second target man would have been good (assuming Donovan was subbed for Green or Yedlen). I have no idea what role Klinsmann hopes Wondo will play, but he is in better form than Donovan. Still, I just don't see Wondo playing at this level, even off the bench. End of the game when the defense is tired you want to bring in someone fast or strong to take advantage, crafty like Wondo just doesn't fit to me.

As for Klinsmann, I like what he has done with the team. He is desperately trying to change the way the U.S. plays and the mindset of the national team. It's a tall order over 3 years but I think he's done a good job, even if the group we drew is going to force us to play more defensive than anyone would like. I don't like this decision and I think it could backfire horribly, but that's what they are paying him big money to decide. I also don't have a problem with Klinsmann staying even if we go 0-3 so long as we don't get embarrassed like France '98. Especially with CONMEBOL Cup coming to the U.S. in 2016, having Klinsmann keep working his project makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on May 23, 2014, 04:31:37 PM
Agree with everything you wrote there...

Definitely looks like they are writing off this WC run and trying to get the kids ready for the next four years. 

I have a question for you--- I see a tension between trying to grow the American game and bringing in German kids.  The popularity of youth soccer has never been higher in this country.  Isn't it basically a vote of "no confidence" from the Coach on the "American" game?   That's where Donovan was a great symbol...he was a great American player.  What are your thoughts? 

I've been a Dempsey fan for years.  A few years back I got into a lively discussion with an airport security guard in Heathrow about Donovan and Dempsey.  Turns out he was a huge Donovan fan.   The Europeans I've spoken to respected Donovan, even though he never really had a good run across the pond.  I get the goal is to win the World Cup, but isn't getting rid of American players, even out of form old ones, a step back when they are essentially replaced with Germans?  Am I being xenophobic?

   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 23, 2014, 04:42:40 PM
A little xenophobic, yes. They all have American servicemen father's I believe. Except Johannssen who was born in the U.S. to Icelandic parents.  But either way, none are naturalized Americans specifically for soccer ala David Regis or Thomas Dooley. They are Americans even if they didn't grow up here in similar ways to the NJ kid who plays for Italy. A serviceman's kid always gets the benefit of being American for his parent(s) devotion. I'm not happy because I don't think Green or Brooks deserved to go, especially Green, but I don't have any qualms about them wearing the uniform. Donovan will continue to be a role model and inspiration to American players. He's a classy guy and I think he knew he was going to get the short stick this time. It is time to move on and hope for the team to play up to their potential. I believe this is the greatest collection of talent we've ever assembled and I hope their heads and hearts are in it to match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 28, 2014, 10:36:59 AM
Not sure what last night proved. The stadium was awful, the wind was awful, the opponent was unlike anyone we will play in the World Cup (both bad and willing to park the bus), Dempsey was a late scratch, and the team looked exhausted after days of heavy fitness camp. The U.S. looked better at unlocking packed defenses last year, but it's not a skill they are going to need against Ghana, Portugal or Germany. We looked dangerous from set plays and on the few break opportunities we got, so I consider those both plusses given how we are going to have to play in Brazil.

Still, not really useful. Hopefully Turkey and Nigeria will be more game. I'm sure Belgium in the closed door in Brazil will be the hardest test. Too bad none of us will see it.

Individual player thoughts: Jozy's holdup play looked good, but his face toward the goal play has regressed. Thanks EPL. M. Bradley looked off in the first half. He's got an incredible motor, one of his best assets, so being tired from camp might explain it. Better in the second half. Jones is still a loose cannon. Yelling at the linesman in a meaningless friendly on a corner kick call and giving away yet another bad foul early in the game... he scares me. Especially at the bottom of a diamond. Besler was weak in the first half, better in the second. None of our fullbacks were tested defensively, but none really contributed going forward either.

Wondo missed some sitters. That's his bread and butter. If he isn't going to make the sitters he gets, he is a liability at this level. Johannsson was better. Bedoya had the most impact on the field in the first half for the U.S. Never thought I would write that. Diskerruud was the best player on the field once he came on. Other than free kicks, I don't think I thought about Zusi once during the match. Not good. Cameron was the most consistent player on the field. No mistakes, but not really called on to do much.

On to Turkey in NJ. Wish I still lived in the area as I'd definitely make the game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on May 28, 2014, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 23, 2014, 04:42:40 PM
Donovan will continue to be a role model and inspiration to American players. He's a classy guy and I think he knew he was going to get the short stick this time.

Sacramento Kings fans would disagree with you.  Two years ago when the Kings were potentially having their last game in Sacramento against the Lakers which Donovan is a fan of, he started trolling Kings fans on twitter calling them the Anaheim Queens etc.  There was quite the celebration in Sacramento twitterscape when Donovan got left off the roster. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: frank uible on May 28, 2014, 12:22:20 PM
Is it preferable to win with superior bi-nationals or to lose with "pure" American fan favorites?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 28, 2014, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: frank uible on May 28, 2014, 12:22:20 PM
Is it preferable to win with superior bi-nationals or to lose with "pure" American fan favorites?

I'd imagine the answer is different for everyone. It is part of the sport these days. Not just soccer, but Olympic sports, and international sports like rugby and basketball, as well. I don't like "naturalized" players, something the U.S. hasn't done in over a decade as far as I can remember. But bi-nationals don't really bother me. Especially armed forces kids. Would it be nice if we had a full roster of kids that grew up in the states and were the product of our own youth system? Sure, but I won't get too upset about it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 28, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on May 28, 2014, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 23, 2014, 04:42:40 PM
Donovan will continue to be a role model and inspiration to American players. He's a classy guy and I think he knew he was going to get the short stick this time.

Sacramento Kings fans would disagree with you.  Two years ago when the Kings were potentially having their last game in Sacramento against the Lakers which Donovan is a fan of, he started trolling Kings fans on twitter calling them the Anaheim Queens etc.  There was quite the celebration in Sacramento twitterscape when Donovan got left off the roster.

I suspect everyone on Twitter has upset someone at some point. I suppose your point is that Landon isn't really classy based on a single Twitter incidence? Well... I guess I can't argue but in almost 15 years of at least some public notoriety if this is the best you can come up with I don't think I'll change my opinion on Donovan. Riling up opposing fans isn't exactly an uncommon experience.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on May 28, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
If I were to make a case against Donovan not being classy, I'd go with a few stories from my buddy who is a doctor with the US Soccer Federation and MLS who witnessed first hand how Donovan dealt with his teammates and those around the program.  My twitter comment was just an amusing anecdote.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on May 28, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Well you know someone who knows Donovan and so do I. I've met him twice as well. We must have heard conflicting reports. Everyone has an opinion.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 01, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
Dempsey looks to be in form and Bradley bounced back.  The "other" Jermaine Jones showed up though...and the back line has me worried.  Time is running out to get that in order.  A better team would have shredded them today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 02, 2014, 11:55:57 AM
Ugly defensive effort. The US was lucky Turkey didn't score a few times and Turkey was lucky Altidore is in a funk. He had 3 or 4 clear opportunities he either flubbed or passed off. Altidore is doing everything asked except being confident with that final opportunity. Brad Davis cannot play left mid at this level. He's too slow. He provided no help to a truly poor defensive effort from Tim Chandler, although to be fair his service is very good. Besler had a second poor game in a row. Cameron was OK. Only somewhat bright spot in defense was Johnson, and he was better going forward than covering back. Beautiful goal he worked with Bradley.

Bradley was miles better than he was the previous game. Looked like the Bradley we need him to be. Dempsey was ok. He looked gassed halfway through the second half. Julian Green was awful in his substitute role. He's not ready for this level. Yedlin actually looked ok. Again, better going forward than he was on his defensive positioning, but that's a well known problem. Jones was a bad loose cannon as opposed to when he is a good loose cannon. Can't believe I'm saying I prefer Beckerman, but so be it. In an idea world, I'd pair Bradley with Cameron lying deep, Gonzalez and Besler behind them. However with Besler dropping the ball the last two games, and Brooks being out of position the first  half of his substitute appearance, it all makes me nervous. Johnson and Chandler need to switch sides. This will limit Johnson's effectiveness, but boost Chandler's. We are going to need the defense more than the offense in this group.

If it was up to me, I'd set us up this way for Nigeria and see how it turns out:
Howard GK
F. Johnson LB, Besler CB, Gonzalez CB, Chandler RB
Cameron DCM
Bedoya LM, Bradley ACM, Zusi RM
Dempsey Underneath Attacker
Altidore Striker

It's either that or you have to bench Chandler, put Cameron at RB where he played most of the season for Stoke, and add Jones or Beckerman to the bottom of the diamond. Bedoya needs to be on the field over Brad Davis simply to help out defensively. Mix is going to be your spark off the bench, along with Johannsson. Last sub in reserve either Yedlin if you are abandoning defense, Wondo if you think you can exploit the defense, Green or Davis depending on the kind of service you might need from wide, and every one else in case of injury.

It's looking bleak for the U.S. though.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 08, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
Well that looked better. Extra defensive cover helped, but playing with 3 defensive midfielders, Bradley, Jones and Beckerman meant we had very little width. Funny how 3 years in the Klinsmann experiment we are still best at playing on the break. Not sure we have the players to do otherwise.

Happy to see Jozy rewarded. He was really tentative going at goal against Azerbaijan, better against Turkey, but didn't get the payoff. The two goals last night were really good to see. The tap in was the reward, the second goal was a striker showing confidence and ability. Definitely a sign of hope. We created a bunch of other chances and Nigeria was lucky we didn't convert a few more. They only had a pair of really good chances, so while they held possession it was never really a scary game once the U.S. scored.

Gonzalez is a problem. Off the bench twice now he's been a liability and been caught out, forcing Besler into impossible positions and leading to both PKs. Hoping we don't have to use Gonzalez off the bench as I don't think he has the concentration to come into a game that way. Full game concentration has always been the knock on him, but it looks worse when he comes in as a sub. I did miss Zusi's width and crossing, but the spine was so strong I think he's going to be relegated to the bench in this formation. Shame because he's better than Bedoya, but Bedoya has the left foot.

The starting back line looked better. A few games together with Cameron and Besler in the middle seems to have them improving. Beasley needs to play. He's not our best player at left back, but his calm demeanor and experience has a good effect on the guys in the middle.

Bradley is the key for us. When he is playing well, he's our best player and most important player. All those people yelling about nepotism four years ago were wrong. We're sunk if he goes down.

Off to Brazil for the team. Good luck guys, we'll be watching.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 08, 2014, 04:40:02 PM
Bradley has been great in the last two warm-ups.
They looked much better, but that back line is still a huge concern.  Germany and Portugal are likely to exploit them more than the teams we've tuned up against.  Hope I'm wrong....go USA!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 11, 2014, 03:50:55 PM
Saw some pictures of the field in Manaus (Amazonia Arena). England opens with Italy there in a few days and the field is in awful shape. We've got Portugal on the same field on the 22nd. That will be the third of four games in the remote stadium. The field could be an absolute pit by then. Sadly I think that would work to our advantage. Not exactly the best conditions for "the beautiful game."
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on June 12, 2014, 12:13:53 PM
Games are finally upon us.  From what I've read the main ABC network games will be streamed for free once you've identified your tv provider.  Not all the games however will be streamed for free for the various ABC/ESPN channels in the US.  Sounds like Univision will have all the games for free up until the Quarterfinals so there is a streaming option if you don't mind games in Spanish http://futbol.univision.com/?_ga=1.183349797.2098995852.1402586107    For those that are a bit more tech savvy, you can also use a VPN app to switch/hide your IP address so you can pick up the European feeds.  I've used TunnelBear in the past to view the Olympics live and it works great and easy to use.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 12, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
USA is in the "Group of Death"
Which group is The Group of Dearth? ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 12, 2014, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 12, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
USA is in the "Group of Death"
Which group is The Group of Dearth? ;D

You joke but the easy group is Switzerland, Honduras, Ecuador and France.  That group is weak with the weakest concacaf team, the weakest seeded team, a second tier South American team and an Ok France team missing one of its best players in Ribery. Not to say they are bad teams but that group is by far the weakest in the tournament
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 12, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on June 13, 2014, 02:41:21 PM
I have to say I like the strategy of FIFA to get all the bad calls out of the way in the first round so we don't have to see them in the later rounds  :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 13, 2014, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on June 13, 2014, 02:41:21 PM
I have to say I like the strategy of FIFA to get all the bad calls out of the way in the first round so we don't have to see them in the later rounds  :P

The first two games have been really shoddy. I'm hoping Mark Geiger, the American ref, does better. Mark is a few years older than me, but when he was a teenager he most likely ref'd some of my club games. I know I ref'd enough of his home town's club games that it is likely he ref'd a bunch of mine.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 13, 2014, 05:51:08 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 13, 2014, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on June 13, 2014, 02:41:21 PM
I have to say I like the strategy of FIFA to get all the bad calls out of the way in the first round so we don't have to see them in the later rounds  :P

The first two games have been really shoddy. I'm hoping Mark Geiger, the American ref, does better. Mark is a few years older than me, but when he was a teenager he most likely ref'd some of my club games. I know I ref'd enough of his home town's club games that it is likely he ref'd a bunch of mine.
Where do you find where the refs are working what games?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 13, 2014, 11:16:25 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 13, 2014, 05:51:08 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 13, 2014, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on June 13, 2014, 02:41:21 PM
I have to say I like the strategy of FIFA to get all the bad calls out of the way in the first round so we don't have to see them in the later rounds  :P

The first two games have been really shoddy. I'm hoping Mark Geiger, the American ref, does better. Mark is a few years older than me, but when he was a teenager he most likely ref'd some of my club games. I know I ref'd enough of his home town's club games that it is likely he ref'd a bunch of mine.
Where do you find where the refs are working what games?

You don't really. Maybe a day ahead in the first round. A little more in the rounds after I think. It's one way they try and keep the pressure and possible bad influence off the refs. All the refs get one game at a time. They are only told their next game, if they are called back, after completing the first. All we know more than a day out is no member of a ref team can do their own country's game. Geiger has an American and Canadian linesman with him, so the only thing we know for sure is he won't do the USA v Ghana game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 14, 2014, 10:23:18 AM
FYI - Geiger haas the Columbia vs Greece game today
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 14, 2014, 10:34:57 PM
http://footballrefereeing.blogspot.com/2014/06/world-cup-2014-referee-appointments_14.html#.U50F2bESXIU
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 16, 2014, 09:22:28 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 14, 2014, 10:34:57 PM
http://footballrefereeing.blogspot.com/2014/06/world-cup-2014-referee-appointments_14.html#.U50F2bESXIU

Some of the postings on this blog indicate a fairly high level of knowledge. Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye on it, though most of it goes over my head. It's been a very long time since I last ref'd at 17 at the youth club level! Thanks for digging it out. +1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 16, 2014, 02:44:27 PM
Mark Geiger's performance was good enough to be called back. He's been assigned the Spain vs Chile match. I have a suspicion that will be a much tougher match to officiate.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 17, 2014, 12:08:21 AM
USA gutted out a big win today... Thought Jermaine Jones looked great!  He still has a tendency to do something dangerously crazy almost every game, but the rest of the time he looked really good.

Altidore's injury is a big concern.

And Bradley had one of those horrible games he turns in every once in a while.

Maybe, just maybe, they can pick up a point of three against Portugal. 

Its early, but Germany seems a lock to win the group.  If Ghana beats Portugal, then US only needs a tie against them to advance.  That is a big "if" of course.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 17, 2014, 10:00:15 AM
Not the win I was looking for, but 3 points is 3 points. Losing Jozy is brutal. We have no one else to play a true "9". When Klinnsman cut Boyd I said he put all our eggs in Jozy's basket and Jozy couldn't get hurt. Ouch. Strange to see 3 hamstring problems in one game. Hopefully both Bedoya and Besler will be OK, but I'm not holding much hope for Jozy. That looked bad. With Portugal losing their big striker, Germany playing a false 9, and Jozy going down, the only team in the group playing a traditional striker will be Ghana. The World Cup is always interesting!

We need 2 more points. So either a win against Portugal or a pair of ties, or Germany to wrap up the group, throw a B team in the last game, and we get a win there. Then we'd need some help between Ghana and Portugal. Early, early, but the best outcome is a win against Portugal. Not sure how to contain Ronaldo. Beasley was eaten up the whole game and only Jones and Beckerman saved his bacon time and again. Johnson had a good game until losing his man on the goal, but Ghana focused so much on Beasley the right side was quiet most of the night.

Bradley needs to step it up. Shades of Landon Donovan in '06 right now. Too much pressure, not enough output. Dempsey's goal was awesome, but once his nose broke he was just a body on the field. Understandable, but not helpful. That left Johannsson all alone and he's not able to do that. Lack of service, lack of movement, lack of everything made him invisible.

I prefer Zusi to Bedoya. Always have. We'll see how Bedoya's legs are and what Klinnsmann decides. Same with Besler and Brooks. Still prefer Besler even with Brooks' heroics.

Thanks to Jermaine Jones last night. Best game in a U.S. uniform and he didn't even get carded! And, as always, Tim Howard you are the man and you need to be the man. Couple good stops when called upon, no mistakes.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2014, 05:28:09 PM
I'm very pessimistic about Jozy being able to return at all in the WC, but has anyone run across a follow-up medical report?

Even if we somehow manage to finish #2 in the group, the next game would almost certainly be Argentina - and that could get very Messi. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 17, 2014, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2014, 05:28:09 PM
I'm very pessimistic about Jozy being able to return at all in the WC, but has anyone run across a follow-up medical report?

Even if we somehow manage to finish #2 in the group, the next game would almost certainly be Argentina - and that could get very Messi. ;)
I'd like to wager on that statement... mostly because the US in group G would play someone from group H and Argentina is group F ;) Next opponent would likely be Belgium, but they can't have any more performances like the first half today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2014, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 17, 2014, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2014, 05:28:09 PM
I'm very pessimistic about Jozy being able to return at all in the WC, but has anyone run across a follow-up medical report?

Even if we somehow manage to finish #2 in the group, the next game would almost certainly be Argentina - and that could get very Messi. ;)
I'd like to wager on that statement... mostly because the US in group G would play someone from group H and Argentina is group F ;) Next opponent would likely be Belgium, but they can't have any more performances like the first half today.

Yeah, G vs. H makes more sense.  I read somewhere (don't recall where, and it was apparently in error) that G2 would play F1 in the round of 16.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: ScotsFan on June 18, 2014, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: jknezek on June 17, 2014, 10:00:15 AM
Not the win I was looking for, but 3 points is 3 points. Losing Jozy is brutal. We have no one else to play a true "9". When Klinnsman cut Boyd I said he put all our eggs in Jozy's basket and Jozy couldn't get hurt. Ouch. Strange to see 3 hamstring problems in one game. Hopefully both Bedoya and Besler will be OK, but I'm not holding much hope for Jozy. That looked bad. With Portugal losing their big striker, Germany playing a false 9, and Jozy going down, the only team in the group playing a traditional striker will be Ghana. The World Cup is always interesting!

We need 2 more points. So either a win against Portugal or a pair of ties, or Germany to wrap up the group, throw a B team in the last game, and we get a win there. Then we'd need some help between Ghana and Portugal. Early, early, but the best outcome is a win against Portugal. Not sure how to contain Ronaldo. Beasley was eaten up the whole game and only Jones and Beckerman saved his bacon time and again. Johnson had a good game until losing his man on the goal, but Ghana focused so much on Beasley the right side was quiet most of the night.

Bradley needs to step it up. Shades of Landon Donovan in '06 right now. Too much pressure, not enough output. Dempsey's goal was awesome, but once his nose broke he was just a body on the field. Understandable, but not helpful. That left Johannsson all alone and he's not able to do that. Lack of service, lack of movement, lack of everything made him invisible.

I prefer Zusi to Bedoya. Always have. We'll see how Bedoya's legs are and what Klinnsmann decides. Same with Besler and Brooks. Still prefer Besler even with Brooks' heroics.

Thanks to Jermaine Jones last night. Best game in a U.S. uniform and he didn't even get carded! And, as always, Tim Howard you are the man and you need to be the man. Couple good stops when called upon, no mistakes.

Good post. However, while 2 points would assure the US advancing, I think a draw with Portugal would be enough to see us through.

While I do like our chances against the hot mess that Portugal is proving to be, I hope the boys can guard against overconfidence going into that match.  I mean, Portugal still has the best player on the planet (arguably) but one player does not guarantee wins and if the Americans play as a TEAM as we saw what the Spurs did vs the Heat in the NBA Finals, I like our chances to get more than a draw...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 18, 2014, 10:57:16 AM
You are correct that 4 points, against the correct teams, will generally get you to go through. Mathematically 4 points will get you to go through just over 50% of the time. Beating Ghana increases those odds in reality because they are less likely to win either of their two remaining games than Portugal (based on my analysis of team quality, but not the cold mathematics), and Portugal's -4 goal differential. Scoring a tie against Portugal means anything less than a 4-0 defeat to Germany, plus Ghana earning less than 4 points in their last two games, or 4 points but less than our goal differential, will put us through. But you can see why the odds still sit at just barely over 50% for 4 points.

For the U.S., 4 points worked for us in '94 and '02. So it seems like 4 points is all you need. But in both cases we needed substantial help to get through, especially in '02 when we backed into the Mexico game after losing to a rather putrid Poland 3-1 in the final group game. We needed S. Korea to beat Portugal, which they did 1-0, because if they tied Portugal would have gone through on goal differential as that takes priority over H2H. We also finished 3rd in our group in '94, but since there were only 24 teams 4 of the best 3rd place teams went through. A stupid system that eliminated only 1/3 of the field after playing over 1/2 of the tournament. Regardless, we were tied for the final third place spot with Italy, thanks mainly to a pair of groups that tied with 3 teams on 6 points a piece.

A tie with Portugal probably puts us in, but I'd hate to rely on it. We took 5 points in '10 and won the group, sparing us Germany and giving us Ghana based on a tie-breaker with England, plus our best ever group result. We've never won 2 games in the group stage before.  Best situation is both the U.S. and Germany win the second games, ending the problem and leaving the third game just for who plays H1 or H2. Granted I don't want to face Belgium, but just getting to that point will make me happy.

Regardless, 4, 5, or 6 points will get you to go through with varying probabilities. 5 points is a near certainty, 4 points is substantially less so, as the math indicates.

If you want to play with the probabilities, check out the last page of this link:

http://www.actuaries.org/FIFA.pdf
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2014, 11:55:34 PM
Well, the first three officially eliminated from the WC are Cameroon, Australia (no real surprise in either case) and defending champion Spain!

The first two officially in the knock-out rounds are Netherlands and Chile.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 19, 2014, 06:56:14 AM
Here's my analysis/predictions for the first two groups.

Group A:
It's 3 teams for 2 spots. Brazil 4pts (+2GD); Mexico 4pts (+1); Croatia 3pts (+2); Cameroon 0pts (-5)

Brazil vs Cameroon: Brazil should win comfortably and finish on top of the group. A draw will be enough to see them advance. I like Brazil to win 3-0

Mexico vs Croatia: Basically an elimination game. W/D for Mexico and they advance (who would have predicted that during CONCACAF qualifying? :o) but I just can't see them with the firepower to score. If Croatia can get past Ochoa just once (and I think they will) it might be enough to hold up. Croatia 1-0


Group B:
Just positioning to decide. Netherlands 6pts (+5GD); Chile 6pts (+4); Australia 0pts (-3); Spain 0pts (-6)

Netherlands vs Chile: Group B plays before Group A so they won't know what result will avoid facing Brazil. I think this could be a highly entertaining game that ends up in a 2-2 draw.

Australia vs Spain: Just playing for pride at this point. I have no explanation for what has happened to Spain. It's like France in 2010 but without the controversy. If Australia wasn't going to be without their best player I'd pick them to win. For all the entertainment in the other game, I see this being the opposite and a very boring 0-0 draw.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 19, 2014, 11:12:54 AM
Its all here:

groups:  http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/world-cup/2014/schedule/group-stage

knockout:  http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/world-cup/2014/schedule/knockout-stage


The current danger in the tournament is Brazil, Netherlands and Germany all ending up in the same half of the knockout stage.  That can be avoided if both Brazil and Netherlands win their groups.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on June 19, 2014, 12:45:49 PM
Agree with you about Brazil winning 3-0.   

Croatia looks very dangerous...  I think they will beat Mexico 2-0 and will give Holland or Chile a run for their money in the round of 16.

I think Chile beats RVPless Holland 2-1.   

Spain will still show up and win 3-0 over Australia.



Brazil/Croatia   -  Brazil hasn't looked good, but still have them in the bracket to win it all.
Chile/Holland     (originally had Spain/Chile until the recent results)
Colombia/Ivory Coast 
Italy/England   -  I have Italy losing to Argentina in semis
France/Swiss   -  I have France reaching the semis and losing to Brazil
Argentina/Bosnia
Germany/Portugal  -  have Germany losing to France.
Belgium/South Korea

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 19, 2014, 05:16:28 PM
 ‏@JeremyClarkson

Well done Liverpool. You beat England.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 19, 2014, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: sac on June 19, 2014, 05:16:28 PM
‏@JeremyClarkson

Well done Liverpool. You beat England.


Cop out. England just isn't that good. Best players in EPL are foreigners. With so many EPL stars playing for other countries it was likely they would get burned. If I was Suarez and the Real Madrid rumors are true I would lobby hard to leave Liverpool. He is going to be booed even worse than before after scoring those two goals, even though both were compliments of horrible defending.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 19, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 19, 2014, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: sac on June 19, 2014, 05:16:28 PM
‏@JeremyClarkson

Well done Liverpool. You beat England.


Cop out. England just isn't that good. Best players in EPL are foreigners. With so many EPL stars playing for other countries it was likely they would get burned. If I was Suarez and the Real Madrid rumors are true I would lobby hard to leave Liverpool. He is going to be booed even worse than before after scoring those two goals, even though both were compliments of horrible defending.

I think you mean Kop out.

Pretty sure I said the same things 8 years ago about Ronaldo, on this board even.  But had no problem returning to Man Utd.  Neither will Suarez have trouble returning to Liverpool.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 19, 2014, 08:42:41 PM
Stupid auto correct!  And yes you are correct about Ronaldo
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 22, 2014, 02:34:08 AM
More analysis/predictions from me.

Group C
Three teams fighting for one spot. Colombia 6pts (+4GD); Ivory Coast 3pts (0); Japan 1pt (-1); Greece 1pt (-3)

Colombia vs Japan: Barring something strange, Colombia should win the group so they have no reason to apply much pressure. Japan will be going all out to try to win and will attack constantly. However that will open them up to a counter which Colombia will take advantage of. Final result: 1-1 draw eliminating Japan.

Ivory Coast vs Greece: Cote d'Ivoire isn't guaranteed to advance with a draw so both sides will be attacking early. Greece has yet to find the net though. I feel like Ivory Coast will score late in the first half then park the bus in the second half. Ivory Coast 1-0 and finishes 2nd in the group.


Group D
Elimination game in group D. Costa Rica 6pts (+3GD); Italy 3pts (0); Uruguay 3pts (-1); England 0pts (-2)

Costa Rica vs England: Who would have thought Costa Rica would have the opportunity to take 9 points in this group? While there is the possibility to finish 2nd if they lose, I think Costa Rica will play with no pressure and go for the win. The real question is will England go all out or will the fact they've been eliminated take all the sting out of their attack. Ultimately I think both sides end up a bit disappointed with a 1-1 draw.

Italy vs Uruguay: No need for score watching here. Italy W/D and they advance, Uruguay win and they move on. This will definitely be the game of the day on Tuesday. Whether it's a fast paced up and down game or one sided grind will be determined by who strikes first. If Italy scores first I think they will back off and focus a bit more on defense. But I think Uruguay draws first blood and this turns into an offensive show. I'll take Uruguay 3-2 and a 2nd place finish.


Group E
No one is officially elminated or advancing, but it's really 2 teams for 1 spot. France 6pts (+6GD); Ecuador 3pts (0); Switzerland 3pts (-2); Honduras 0pts (-4)

France vs Ecuador: So far this French team is erasing all memories of 2010. Ecuador will try their best and have a couple opportunities, but France is playing too well right now. 2-0 France and a sweep of the group.

Switzerland vs Honduras: Honduras has been the lone dark spot for CONCACAF thus far. They managed to end their scoreless drought in the last game but that's about all they'll be able to take away this year. Switzerland is better, angrier after the France game, and has too much on the line to allow Honduras to surprise them. Switzerland cruises 3-0 and make it through to the next stage.


Group F
Two teams going for one spot. Argentina 6pts (+2GD); Nigeria 4pts (+1); Iran 1pt (-1); Bosnia and Herzegovina 0pts (-2)

Argentina vs Nigeria: Nigeria shouldn't be in this position right now. A clearly onside goal from B&H that wasn't allowed have put them in great position to advance. But it won't be easy. Argentina barely got the 3 points against Iran. Both of these teams will be content with a draw. There has only been 5 goals in this group and this game won't add to it. 0-0 draw

Iran vs Bosnia and Herzegovina: The only debutants this year, Bosnia and Herzegovina have played well but have nothing to show for it. Iran needs the win to have any hope of advancing but this B&H team is too good to leave without points. Bosnia and Herzegovina 2-1.

An interesting note... apparently if Argentina wins 1-0 and Iran wins 1-0 then Nigeria and Iran will go through all the tiebreakers without determining who is 2nd and they will draw lots to determine who will advance.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 22, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
Ugggghhhh!  So close...and Bradley...what were you thinking?

Klinsmann overcoached in my opinion...that last substitution created back line confusion.  If you are in the game as a third central defender,  why oh why do you leave the back door open like that?

Overall, though,  a very good performance that won't shine because of the last minute break-down.

I need someone with more expertise than me to break down the scenarios versus Germany.  I think a win is unrealistic.  What does a tie do for us?  If we lose,  what are the scenarios?


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2014, 10:53:46 PM
DANG!!  Thirty freakin' seconds from clinching going through!

They are still in pretty good shape.  They go through with a win or tie against Germany, and with a close loss, Ghana still has to make up 2 points or Portugal 5 (if Ghana and Portugal tie, the US is definitely through).  (If two teams tie in points and GD, does it then go to h-to-h?  What if h-to-h was a tie?)

Let's remove all doubt by doing the 'impossible' and beating Germany - why not: we beat Ghana and they tied Germany (we won't mention the Portugal comparison games ;)).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 22, 2014, 11:06:54 PM
Simple explanation here:
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/6/22/5832970/world-cup-tiebreaker-rules-usa-germany-group-g


H2h is well in back of goal differential and goals scored. The U.S. currently holds tie breaks over both Ghana and Portugal but...  Don't lose and we go through. Lose and it gets tricky. If we lose, it won't matter if the other game ties. If the other game has a winner you want Portugal to win by less than 5 minus what we lose by.  If Ghana wins we better have only lost by one and they won by either 2-1 or 1-0. Anything else will be bad. We are in good shape, but that last goal was a killer.

On another note, the bad news is both Portugal and the U.S. get less rest and come from the worst tournament conditions yet. The U.S. had the worst group, most travel, and the least rest.  If we get out of this group it is amazing. Nothing set up well for the U.S. and eventually it will show. I just hope it doesn't show against Germany. A big loss is about the worst thing that can happen.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 23, 2014, 05:57:10 AM
The last of my group stage analysis/predictions

Group G
The most interesting group Germany 4pts (+4GD); USA 4pts (+1); Ghana 1pt (-1); Portugal 1pt (-4)

Germany vs USA: A draw is enough for both to advance. Germany doesn't have to worry about goal differential to the other two. They're also an extra day fresher and didn't play in the rain forest. I think the US will play a bit more defensively but Germany will still get the first goal. The US will then get more aggressive but it will be too late. Germany 2-0

Ghana vs Portugal: Only a win will do for these two so they'll both be all out. Should be a highly entertaining game between two quality teams who are desperate. In the end I think Ghana is just a bit more composed. Ghana 2-1 and they slip past the US for 2nd.


Group H
Three teams for one spot. Belgium 6pts (+2GD); Algeria 3pts (+1); Russia 1pt (-1); South Korea 1pt (-2)

Belgium vs South Korea: Belgium was everyone's darkhorse to win the tournament and while they're perfect so far, they've really had to work for it. With South Korea needing a win I just can't see Belgium getting through unscathed. Korea scores first, Belgium gets the equalizer, but South Korea with a late winner for the 2-1 win.

Algeria vs Russia: It hasn't felt like the African teams have done much, but my predictions already have picked 3 out of 4 to advance. Russia will get an early goal to put the pressure on. Algeria will come back after halftime to equalize. An entertaining final half hour ends up with a scoreline of a 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 23, 2014, 06:30:31 AM
With all my predictions set, I can fill in the bracket based on my picks...

A1: Brazil                                                    Netherlands :B1
B2: Chile              |                           |              Croatia :A2
                       |                           |
C1: Colombia           |         |        |        |           Costa Rica :D1
D2: Uruguay                      |        |                   Ivory Coast :C2
                                 |        |
E1: France                       |        |                     Argentina :F1
F2: Nigeria            |         |        |        |          Switzerland :E2
                       |         |        |        |
G1: Germany            |                           |              Belgium :H1
H2: Algeria                                                         Ghana :G2

Final tally: 6 teams from Europe, 5 teams from S America, 4 from Africa, 1 from N America, and 0 from Asia
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: OxyBob on June 23, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
Greg Louganis and Max Bialystock could make a fortune as soccer coaches teaching diving and flopping.

OxyBob
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Stinger on June 23, 2014, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 23, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
Greg Louganis and Max Bialystock could make a fortune as soccer coaches teaching diving and flopping.

OxyBob

Probably NBA and NFL too no?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 23, 2014, 08:39:03 PM
Somethings just have to shared......
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Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 24, 2014, 09:17:02 PM
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Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 24, 2014, 09:21:49 PM
Another day of awful refereeing. The Italy red was interesting, that could have gone either way. Missing the Suarez chomp was bad. He should be tossed for the tourney if not longer given his history. My twin 2.5 year olds don't bite as much as that nut job.  The penalty kick that sent Greece through was a disaster. I think the ref couldn't believe he tripped over himself that bad and assumed it had to be a foul. Just a bad day for the guys in the center. Really changed the two important games of the day.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 24, 2014, 10:05:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM-3CdprY0s

The Ivory Coast defenders leg impedes the kicking motion, that's a foul and a penalty.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 24, 2014, 10:46:41 PM
Good catch. Never saw it real time or replays. Fair enough penalty
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 25, 2014, 08:14:34 AM
Quote from: jknezek on June 24, 2014, 10:46:41 PM
Good catch. Never saw it real time or replays. Fair enough penalty

I had to watch it 3 times before I caught it.  Tough call.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 02:16:21 PM
Not the game I wanted to see. Yes pre-tournament I would have killed for these 4 points and advancing, but... backing into anything is not good. No team has won following a game in Manaus, so I'm not surprised. We looked heavy and tired from the get go. We will have to play much, much better to take a shot at Belgium. Granted they haven't yet looked great in this tournament, but the missed passing and lack of a pressure relief outlet has to be resolved for the U.S.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
On another note, three of the four CONCACAF teams went through, despite two being in what were considered the toughest groups pre-tournament. Costa Rica and the U.S. were definitely global underdogs to go through, Mexico as well based on their recent play but it pays to remember they've made the last 16 something like 5 times in a row. El Tri never go any further, but they consistently get out of their group. The U.S. has now gotten out 3 of their last 4 tournaments and 4 of the 7 they've made in a row. Not a bad record for a team globally belittled.

On CONCACAF's bad side, Honduras was in the easiest group and was probably the worst team in the tournament, getting shelled in all 3 games. CONCACAF is not a particularly deep region, but we're showing up well in this cycle. Costa Rica has a real chance to get another game against Greece. Mexico is going to struggle with the Netherlands and the U.S. is very likely to struggle greatly against Belgium. But overall, pushing through 3 of 4 teams is better than anyone expected.

With all the talk of giving Africa more spots, 3 of 6 African teams are already out and Algeria may or may not progress. Asian teams are not worth talking about, as all 4 teams failed to progress. S. Korea, Iran, Japan and Australia have earned 3 ties between them with only the Belgium/S. Korea game to go.

UEFA has done their usual non-European mediocre job, 6 of 13 through with a chance for Russia to move on as well. CONMEBOL has been outstanding with 5 of 6 teams moving on. Not particularly surprising in a local World Cup. Poor Ecuador on the outside looking in...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: OxyBob on June 26, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Not a bad record for a team globally belittled.

This is why all real red-blooded Americans hate soccer: Blow lead in last 15 seconds and settle for tie. Lose next game by shutout. Advance to next round anyway. Storm field in celebration. Beep beep beep beep beep.

OxyBob
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 26, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Not a bad record for a team globally belittled.

This is why all real red-blooded Americans hate soccer: Blow lead in last 15 seconds and settle for tie. Lose next game by shutout. Advance to next round anyway. Storm field in celebration. Beep beep beep beep beep.

OxyBob

Check it out.  Soccer troll Ann Coulter has found our little board!  How exciting!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: casualfan on June 26, 2014, 05:53:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 26, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Not a bad record for a team globally belittled.

This is why all real red-blooded Americans hate soccer: Blow lead in last 15 seconds and settle for tie. Lose next game by shutout. Advance to next round anyway. Storm field in celebration. Beep beep beep beep beep.

OxyBob

What's your definition of a "real red-blooded American"? Your opinion is not shared by any on this particular board nor the majority of other Americans at this time. Whatever sport you consider to be more American may lose more followers to soccer than you think. Take off the blinders and just support your country and it's talented team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on June 26, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: casualfan on June 26, 2014, 05:53:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 26, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Not a bad record for a team globally belittled.

This is why all real red-blooded Americans hate soccer: Blow lead in last 15 seconds and settle for tie. Lose next game by shutout. Advance to next round anyway. Storm field in celebration. Beep beep beep beep beep.

OxyBob

What's your definition of a "real red-blooded American"? Your opinion is not shared by any on this particular board nor the majority of other Americans at this time. Whatever sport you consider to be more American may lose more followers to soccer than you think. Take off the blinders and just support your country and it's talented team.
Why are Americans turning to the WC in record numbers?  It is because we want to be the best, and for the first time in history we can see an American team being the best.  We probably won't win this tournament, but we aren't all that far from the top teams.  The gap is closing.   

Americans who "hate" soccer are people who don't understand the game.  The European reaction to American football: boring.  Why?  They didn't understand the game and couldn't figure out why we stop for 30 seconds between each play.  We know the game, so we know better.  Football is a great sport.  So is soccer.

Those of us who don't drag our knuckles on the ground, know that soccer can be an extremely entertaining and exciting game....and America is pretty good at it!

One Nation...One Team....Go USA!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 26, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 26, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Not a bad record for a team globally belittled.

This is why all real red-blooded Americans hate soccer: Blow lead in last 15 seconds and settle for tie. Lose next game by shutout. Advance to next round anyway. Storm field in celebration. Beep beep beep beep beep.

OxyBob

Check it out.  Soccer troll Ann Coulter has found our little board!  How exciting!

+k and again tommorrow
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 26, 2014, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: woacfan on June 26, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: casualfan on June 26, 2014, 05:53:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 26, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Not a bad record for a team globally belittled.

This is why all real red-blooded Americans hate soccer: Blow lead in last 15 seconds and settle for tie. Lose next game by shutout. Advance to next round anyway. Storm field in celebration. Beep beep beep beep beep.

OxyBob

What's your definition of a "real red-blooded American"? Your opinion is not shared by any on this particular board nor the majority of other Americans at this time. Whatever sport you consider to be more American may lose more followers to soccer than you think. Take off the blinders and just support your country and it's talented team.
Why are Americans turning to the WC in record numbers?  It is because we want to be the best, and for the first time in history we can see an American team being the best.  We probably won't win this tournament, but we aren't all that far from the top teams.  The gap is closing.   

Americans who "hate" soccer are people who don't understand the game.  The European reaction to American football: boring.  Why?  They didn't understand the game and couldn't figure out why we stop for 30 seconds between each play.  We know the game, so we know better.  Football is a great sport.  So is soccer.

Those of us who don't drag our knuckles on the ground, know that soccer can be an extremely entertaining and exciting game....and America is pretty good at it!

One Nation...One Team....Go USA!!!!!!!!!!
I think there's a few reasons why everyone is watching.
One is that it's once every four years. If there was a World Cup every year no one would care. Look at the Olympics... for 3 years and 11 months no one cares about pistol shooting or biathlon but come the olympics everyone is interested.
Second is that it's "USA! USA! USA!". Doesn't matter how you feel about politics, current issues, etc... pit the US against other countries and everyone bleeds red white and blue.
Thirdly everyone loves to root for underdogs. This is a rare competition where the US isn't one of the favorites with a target on their back.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on June 27, 2014, 10:40:04 AM
Four years ago we didn't get Premiere games on a major network every weekend or have as many games being shown on a variety of cable/satellite networks. Popularity has definitely grown and will continue to grow now that more people have access to watch soccer. Obviously the WC is a unique event that gets everybody watching their country, but I don't think when it's over everyone goes soccer-dormant for 4 years. The majority will but that minority of year-round soccer fans is growing. I just look at my kid's elementary school, on any given day you will not see a single hockey jersey, you'll see a couple football jerseys, and you'll see a dozen soccer jerseys.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 27, 2014, 11:18:38 AM
You can think of the growth of soccer in the U.S. this way.

1990, basically amateur (college players and some semi-pro indoor players plus a very few overseas pros) team went to the world cup, got blown out, and no games were shown on t.v.

1994, a professional team (mostly college grads and assorted players paid by U.S. soccer formed a 6 month long camp to prepare for the world cup, plus a few overseas pros). team eeked into the second round and games were shown on t.v. but we hosted.

1996, MLS started play, games rarely on t.v.

1998, a professional team (mostly MLS, and a few overseas pros plus a few naturalized citizens) got blown out in France, which was partially shown on t.v.

2002, a professional team (MLS and overseas pros sprinkled with young players that did well at the U-17 World cup) advanced in Japan/Korea. tournament partially shown on t.v., but due to time zones you had to get up at 2 a.m. EST to watch many games. MLS contracted, marking the high and low point of U.S. soccer at the same time.

2006, a fully professional team (MLS and overseas pros) crumbled under the pressure in Germany. All World Cup games shown on t.v. for the first time, limited ratings. MLS expansion had begun. T.V. contract for the first time paid a token amount to MLS instead of MLS paying to put games on T.V.

2010, a fully professional team (mostly overseas with some MLS pros mixed in) finish with highest group total points in modern cup era for a U.S. team. First World Cup group win in modern era. MLS expansion in full gear. Most MLS teams playing in soccer specific stadiums. MLS T.V. contract a net positive for the league. Highest rated World Cup in American T.V. history. Highest rated men's game in history when the U.S. qualifies for the knockout round. Also the first time all U.S. home qualifiers are shown on t.v.

2012, MLS expansion nets huge money for a second team in NY. MLS properties fully established as valuable even as the league continues to lose money.

2014, fully professional team (mostly MLS starters and overseas pros) generates the most excitement yet. MLS new TV contract more than quintuples previous contract. All home national team qualifiers are shown on t.v., with more than double the ratings of previous qualifiers.

Obviously I left out a lot of milestones, MLS attendance milestones, Gold Cups, significant victories, etc., because the goal wasn't to show how much better the national team has gotten, but rather the improvement in professional and national team soccer as evidenced by fan engagement. This is shown in how MLS has grown, how the MLS t.v. contract has grown, how the soccer specific stadiums have increased, and how the players have integrated into the national setup. For those who say the NASL failed, I agree. It failed on a bad financial model after 16 years. MLS's financial model is much more sustainable and has been going for 18 years. The current t.v. contract and expansion fees indicate that the league is solidly established, even if it has a lot of work to do.

The national team fan engagement has grown even better, from not being able to see the team at all to competitive games shown on t.v., to world cup games on t.v., to qualifiers on t.v. and even friendlies on t.v. All have seen dramatic ratings and attendance boosts over the last twenty years.

As a professional sport soccer has become part of the American landscape. How big it can get, not whether it is here to stay, is now the big question. There is a lot of work to do. MLS still doesn't turn a league wide profit. It is at best a second tier league. The salary cap, a function of revenue, is too low to really be competitive with big leagues. Bein Sports winning the rights to show away qualifiers for the 2014 World Cup show that ratings for those games are still too low to be attractive to a mainstream cable channel. MLS's t.v. contract is still pretty weak. While it is a huge step up from just a few years ago, it's still very low. National MLS games draw weak ratings at best, the U.S. Open Cup is something only really dedicated fans care about or can watch, and the national team seems to be about at its current ceiling.

While I believe this is the best U.S. team ever, I don't think it is significantly better than the 2010 team, somewhere between 20 and 30 in the world. We've proven to be consistently at or near the top of CONCACAF, but on the world scale we are still a bit player.

All that said, growth is pretty steady except for that '98-'02 period. At 24 years past qualifying for our first modern World Cup with amateur players and no ability to see the games on t.v., only the deluded deniers can say soccer is going nowhere in America. Anyone able to look at the facts and think logically can see it is a growing professional sport with a solid track record. I'm happy to be along for the ride.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 27, 2014, 12:02:56 PM
Just for fun I'll throw this fact out there from yesterday's game.

U.S. started 7 of 11 players, 7 of 10 field players, from MLS

Germany started 9 of 11 players, 8 of 10 field players, from Bayern Munich and Arsenal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 27, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
You forgot David Beckham's arrival ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 27, 2014, 02:30:13 PM
Quote from: sac on June 27, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
You forgot David Beckham's arrival ::)

Didn't forget, chose not to mention it. And yes, I saw your emoticon but I guess it's somewhat worth talking about. The Designated Player option, a circumvent for the salary cap, doesn't really fit into the discussion. Or at least it didn't until recently (post Beckham) when I think all but one or two MLS teams started to take advantage of it rationally as opposed to it just being a publicity stunt. Beckham provided a short term boost to the league, but I don't think his stint in L.A. will have much of a long term effect on MLS. If he puts a team in Miami, and it actually succeeds, that would be a bigger impact then the tail of his playing career.

I'm more interested in the DP rule allowing U.S. players to get paid without going to Europe. While there are huge advantages to playing in Europe, you have to actually PLAY to realize them. I think there is a bias against American players in the top leagues so you don't have to be good enough to play, you have to be better than that. Having players like Zusi and Gonzalez and Besler getting paid fair money as DPs keeps them playing as opposed to fighting the bias. That is a bigger benefit to development of the national team than all the Beckham and Henry games combined, let alone the myriad of DP disasters.

I am sad to see Dempsey and Bradley back in MLS, but they needed the games going into a World Cup year and it was made pretty clear to them in Europe that they weren't trusted. Jozy will have problems getting on the field this season, and getting hurt and being unable to impress at the World Cup will only add to that...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 28, 2014, 11:58:37 AM
It was a long day yesterday without any matches. Time to get back to action.

My predictions got 13 out of 16 in the correct spot including the entire left side of the bracket. Didn't see Mexico's offensive spurt coming. Ghana might have won had they not given up the own goal in the first half. And Ivory Coast was just a couple minutes from advancing.

Europe has 6 teams, South America 5, North America 3, Africa 2, Asia 0

A1: Brazil                                                    Netherlands :B1
B2: Chile              |                           |               Mexico :A2
                       |                           |
C1: Colombia           |         |        |        |           Costa Rica :D1
D2: Uruguay                      |        |                        Greece :C2
                                 |        |
E1: France                       |        |                     Argentina :F1
F2: Nigeria            |         |        |        |          Switzerland :E2
                       |         |        |        |
G1: Germany            |                           |              Belgium :H1
H2: Algeria                                                           USA :G2


Brazil vs Chile: I'm sure Chile will put up a valiant effort, but Brazil will feed off the home crowd and get through 2-1.

Colombia vs Uruguay: How will Uruguay do after all the talk about Suarez? Honestly I don't think it will matter. It would be a tight match without the incident but now all the distractions and no Suarez means Colombia should advance. 2-0 Colombia
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: OxyBob on June 28, 2014, 12:18:20 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
Check it out.  Soccer troll Ann Coulter has found our little board!  How exciting!

I prefer to quote someone more erudite, like Jorge Luis Borges: "Soccer is popular because stupidity is popular."

This just in: Sherwin-Williams just signed on as a sponsor of the United States Soccer Federation. "Soccer, the closest thing to watching Navajo White dry!"

OxyBob
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 28, 2014, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 28, 2014, 12:18:20 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
Check it out.  Soccer troll Ann Coulter has found our little board!  How exciting!

I prefer to quote someone more erudite, like Jorge Luis Borges: "Soccer is popular because stupidity is popular."

This just in: Sherwin-Williams just signed on as a sponsor of the United States Soccer Federation. "Soccer, the closest thing to watching Navajo White dry!"

OxyBob
To be fair Borges wasn't so much against soccer as he was to the propaganda, nationalism and fanaticism that it provoked in his countrymen. A feeling shared by many of his intellectual countrymen following the exploitation of the 78 cup to hide atrocities committed by the military dictatorship. Borges recognized the Peron's use of soccer much earlier, but his objection was deeper than a simple dislike of the game. If you wish to pull his quotes away from context in an attempt to hide your ignorant trolling, there isn't much people can do to stop you.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: OxyBob on June 28, 2014, 07:56:36 PM
Wow! What a game between Brazil and Chile! Tied game decided by penalty kicks! Whew!

Spurs defeat Heat to win NBA title

The San Antonio Spurs captured the NBA title with a thrilling 119 (5) - 119 (4) victory over the Miami Heat. The teams battled to a 95-95 tie after 48 minutes of regulation, and were still tied 119-119 after two 5-minute overtime periods. The game was then decided by a sudden death free throw shooting contest. Each team knocked down its first 4 FTs, but the Heat's LeBron James clanked his FT attempt. The Spurs' Tony Parker stepped up to the line and made his FT, giving the Spurs the sudden death win on FTs, setting off a wild celebration.

Dodgers beat Yankees to win World Series

The Los Angeles Dodgers won the 2014 World Series over the New York Yankees with a 3 (3) - 3 (2) victory. The teams played to a 3-3 tie after 9 innings, and were still tied after 2 more extra innings. The game was finally decided by a sudden death home run derby. Mark Teixeria and Alfonso Soriano hit long home runs off of the batting tee, and Hanley Ramirez and Matt Kemp did likewise for the Dodgers. NY's Derek Jeter carefully placed the ball on the tee and took a mighty swing, but he got under it and the ball landed harmlessly on the warning track. That left it up to the Dodgers' Yasiel Puig, who left no doubt as he launched one off the batting tee into the stands, giving the Dodgers the sudden death World Series title. Delirium ensued at Dodger Stadium.

OxyBob
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 28, 2014, 08:24:57 PM
Let me see if I get this right. If a soccer game ends in a tie we put the offense on a short field, and give them a chance to score, and then we put the other offense on a short field and give them an equal chance to score. When a college football game ends in a tie we put the offense on a short field and see if they can score and then we put the other offense on a short field and see if they can score. If the offenses both keep pace, we keep going.

What does that sound like? PKs pretty much, except in soccer it's a little more individual. Beats the crud out of pro football when a coin toss determines who has a massive advantage. All in all, I'm not a fan of PKs, but if you're a red blooded college football loving American it's not really all that different of a concept. And in soccer they do play 1/3rd of the game again before resorting to that kind of overtime. College football at the end of regulation immediately shifts to a different format.

Again, you can swing up from under the bridge any time you want, but each and every argument has been made before. There are reasons soccer is played the way it is. If you don't like it, don't watch. But don't expect any of the regulars on this board to sympathize with your nonsensical grunting.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2014, 12:11:30 AM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 26, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Not a bad record for a team globally belittled.

This is why all real red-blooded Americans hate soccer: Blow lead in last 15 seconds and settle for tie. Lose next game by shutout. Advance to next round anyway. Storm field in celebration. Beep beep beep beep beep.

OxyBob

Check it out.  Soccer troll Ann Coulter has found our little board!  How exciting!

OB, if it will help your digestion, think of group play as the 'regular season' of the WC, to qualify for the 'postseason'.  Dozens of MLB, NFL, and NBA teams have made the postseason despite losing their last game of the regular season. 

And do fully understand that you ARE a soccer troll.  Those of us who post on this thread understand soccer (unlike you) and love it.  You are not going to sway any of us with your ignorant views; your purpose is simply to offend.  Therefore, you are the very definition of a troll.

(I'm responding so belatedly because I just got back from out of town.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 29, 2014, 02:51:45 AM
I was pretty accurate with the first day of the knockout rounds. Chile was even more valiant than I thought. I'd hate to be a goal in Santiago tonight... the rocket off the crossbar at the end of extra time and the last PK off the inside of the post makes them public enemy #1.

Netherlands vs Mexico: The highest scoring offense in the tournament against Ochoa and his fantastic goalkeeping. With Mexico's offense showing some life in their last game this has the potential to be a goalfest. However I think the defenses step up with a number of fantastic saves and Netherlands finds a way through 1-0.

Costa Rica vs Greece: So who had this matchup before the tournament? The second UEFA-CONCACAF game of the day will be a defensive struggle. It could very well be a goalless game through 120 minutes. But I'll go with my heart rather than head and say Costa Rica wins 1-0.

France vs Nigeria: The only matchup this round between two of the 20 most populous countries in the world (Nigeria 7th. France 20th). Much like the Brazil-Chile matchup, I think the underdogs of Nigeria will put up a tough fight. However France has been too strong so far to fall here. Over 175 million people will be disappointed as France wins 2-1.

Germany vs Algeria: Third day in a row with a theme... today it's UEFA vs CAF. Algeria has played surprisingly well so far. Germany is a clear favorite here but could they get caught looking ahead to a matchup with France? This one will head to extra time tied at 1. Germany will find a winner without heading to PKs though with a 2-1 win in extra time.

Argentina vs Switzerland: This should be entertaining as these two teams have combined to score 13 goals and have given up 9. Messi has been the savior for Argentina so far, and they will need that magic again. I very nearly went with the Swiss upset, but I have finally settled on Argentina 3-2.

Belgium vs USA: The game we all care about around here. Belgium has yet to score before the 70th minute in this tournament but they also haven't given up a goal in the last 245 minutes. I can't see either trend changing. US makes one mistake and Belgium strikes late in the game for the 1-0 win.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 29, 2014, 03:31:27 PM
Mexico had me worried for a while. But in the end they were as brittle as ever. So much talent so little fortitude. For the life of me I cannot understand it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 29, 2014, 07:29:19 PM
Costa Rica vs Greece was a truly miserable game to watch. Congrats to Los Ticos but... yuck
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 30, 2014, 11:20:57 AM
Mark Geiger is in charge of today's France vs Nigeria game. A good outing today and he'll stay as one of the higher ranking refs in the tournament. Maybe a shot at a semi-finals game depending on today's performance. Not bad for a guy who only became a full-time pro a few years ago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 30, 2014, 02:42:05 PM
Geiger missed a red card against France in the 54' and that tackle off the corner kick that didn't go Nigeria's way. Not a great outing for him. It will be interesting to see if he gets another game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 30, 2014, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 30, 2014, 02:42:05 PM
Geiger missed a red card against France in the 54' and that tackle off the corner kick that didn't go Nigeria's way. Not a great outing for him. It will be interesting to see if he gets another game.
They expect one guy to have "fly eyes".
:-[
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 30, 2014, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 30, 2014, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 30, 2014, 02:42:05 PM
Geiger missed a red card against France in the 54' and that tackle off the corner kick that didn't go Nigeria's way. Not a great outing for him. It will be interesting to see if he gets another game.
They expect one guy to have "fly eyes".
:-[

The World Cup is an elimination tournament for both the teams and the refs. But yes, at this stage, those kinds of misses usually lead to no more assignments. That tackle was a bad leg breaker. Then again, Webb ignored the flying karate kick in the last finals game and he still seems to be moving along. So you never know.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on June 30, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
The goals seem to have disappeared from the World Cup. :-\

.....which sounds stupid on a day with 5 goals. ::)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 30, 2014, 07:00:59 PM
Quote from: sac on June 30, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
The goals seem to have disappeared from the World Cup. :-\

Very typical. Goals scored is important in the group stage as a tie breaker along with differential, so attacking soccer is at a premium. In the knockout stages, and even the third group game, all that matters is winning. Teams are more cautious and deliberate. Plus the round of 16 can be really bad as weaker teams often bunker. By the round of 8 most of those teams are really gone. Still, most of the games have been open even if the goals weren't plentiful. Chile vs Brazil is a good example whereas CR vs Greece was the only real defensive pile so far in this round. Mexico's second half might qualify as well...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 01, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
So far 4 of 7 round of 16 games have gone to OT. 2 of those four were decided by PKs. The Germany and Argentina wins were hugely entertaining OT finishes, the Brazil PK win was a hugely entertaining game start to finish. The less said about CR vs Greece the better, but here's hoping the U.S. game lives up to the entertainment potential that this round has provided. Tons of late drama.

Chile's late crossbar, Mexico's late collapse, Germany's double OT goals and one concession, Messi's moment of magic (yes he got the assist but much like Ronaldo's late assist against the U.S. the assist was the beautiful part). France vs Nigeria and Columbia vs Uruguay were also good end to end games, even at 2-0.

Getting the win is the important part for the U.S. but if you haven't been entertained by these games you just aren't going to be a soccer fan.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2014, 07:29:36 PM
Make that five of eight going to OT.  After finishing regulation at nil-nil, Belgium scored two goals in the first OT period, USA got one back less than two minutes into the next period.  Despite furious pressure and a few great opportunities, USA could not quite get the equalizer.

It's good to see that USA NEVER throws in the towel!

Most of the game was dominated by the Belgians, but they could never quite score thanks to Tim Howard having arguably the best game in the WC in many a year (16 saves is a record since such records have been kept) and a usually sterling defense (especially Beasley and Besler).  If Jozy Altidore had been able to play, I think USA would have pulled the upset.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 01, 2014, 08:00:44 PM
Great game and the future is bright for US soccer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 02, 2014, 03:14:34 PM
I'll close out my comments on the USMNT by simply saying I am satisfied with this World Cup. It was a good effort by the team. I am constantly proud of the fact that the whole is greater than the sum of that team's parts. This has been true basically since the 2006 World Cup. The individuals on the U.S. team on average were not better than any team we faced except maybe Portugal. And yet the U.S. wasn't really out of a single game. If we can continue to raise the level of the individuals in this country, and keep getting a teamwork benefit that very few other national teams achieve, it won't be long until getting out of the group stage won't be the only expectation.

Good work yesterday by the team. Howard was the difference, but you can't ignore an exceptional performance by one player. If Wondo hits that sitter at the end of regulation we go through on a bit of luck and a lot of goalkeeping. If we pick up a couple of those other chances in the second OT we get to the lottery of penalty kicks. It didn't break that way for us, and Belgium was clearly a better team, but I think we did as well as our pieces allowed.

Here's looking forward to the 2016 Copa America. With the exception of Howard and Beasley I think you'll see much of the team back in 2 years. Jones, Dempsey, Wondo, Beckerman and Besler are the rest of my unlikelies for 2018, but we'll just have to see how it goes. Proud of the effort even if we still aren't there on execution.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 02, 2014, 04:58:41 PM
Would we have done better with the players that were left off?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 02, 2014, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 02, 2014, 04:58:41 PM
Would we have done better with the players that were left off?

A backup target forward would have helped but I doubt it
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 02, 2014, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 02, 2014, 04:58:41 PM
Would we have done better with the players that were left off?
Well the obvious one was Donovan who we really could have used after Jozy went down... but hindsight is always 20/20. Maybe with a few different players we might have made it as far as the quarterfinals (I think that's the best they could have possibly done) but it's also possible they could have fizzled out in the group stage.

The important thing is they played decent, didn't embarrass themselves, and got a respectable but not outstanding finish. It's the first time they've won a game in back to back World Cups. The question is how will the next generation of players fare... will recent successes lead to improved youth or will they be unable to keep up what the current aging team has built.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 02, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
Donovan was not a replacement option for Jozy. The only other target forward in camp was Terrance Boyd and the only other current option in the player pool is Eddie Johnson. Donovan was a replacement for Dempsey, Wondo, or a winger.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 02, 2014, 09:46:23 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 02, 2014, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 02, 2014, 04:58:41 PM
Would we have done better with the players that were left off?
Well the obvious one was Donovan who we really could have used after Jozy went down... but hindsight is always 20/20. Maybe with a few different players we might have made it as far as the quarterfinals (I think that's the best they could have possibly done) but it's also possible they could have fizzled out in the group stage.

The important thing is they played decent, didn't embarrass themselves, and got a respectable but not outstanding finish. It's the first time they've won a game in back to back World Cups. The question is how will the next generation of players fare... will recent successes lead to improved youth or will they be unable to keep up what the current aging team has built.

They got out of the group of death with Germany, Portugal and Ghana.  This was much, much more than a respectable and outstanding finish.

Most 'experts' had them with zero points in that group.  They far exceeded expectations IMO.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on July 02, 2014, 09:48:12 PM
So who is the next coach when JK steps away?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 02, 2014, 10:00:12 PM
JK's contract runs through the 2018 cup. This is his big experiment with almost total control. He will be hard to lure from this job right now. A bad showing at Copa America May change that but short of that I don't think he'll leave until he gets the payoff he's aiming for. But with enough money who knows?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on July 02, 2014, 10:18:07 PM
Gulati worked too hard to get Klinsmann where he is to let him go.  Klinsmann took the job with the intention of making the USA a soccer power.  I doubt he will leave before 2018. He loves America and wanted this job for a long time, but he was smart enough to take it on his terms.

His high profile brought the German-American kids to the US side.  He is sure to get more kids with American connections to play for the US side over the next few years. 

The big problem with this team is not keeping Klinsmann its the keeper position.  That is the one position on the roster that is filled by three old guys: Howard and Rimando are 35.  Guzan is 29.  As good as Howard played--which was amazing-- its difficult to see him still at his peak at 39. 

Dempsey also will be in his late thirties.  I think the challenge for the next two years will be to find a few true forwards for the US. 

All said,  the US now has moved into the knockout stage for the last three World Cups.  I see them taking the next step in 2018...

   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 02, 2014, 10:29:08 PM
Guzman at 29 is perfectly placed for 2018. Goalies peak in their early to mid 30s so that doesn't worry me much. The striker pool is in better shape than I ever remember it. Boyd, Altidore, and Johannson are all still young. A fourth will come through MLS in the next few years. We've never had that depth at forward. Dempsey is going to be hard to replace. I'm hoping Diskeruud or the kid at Tijuana keep moving forward in that creator role. That would let Bradley sit deeper. We asked too much of him creatively this time. The wings are in good shape as is central defense.  Fabian Johnson and Yedlin were both promising at back. Hopefully Chandler will figure it out as well. The center back combo of Gonzalez and Brooks could be promising as Besler will be 33 or so by 2018.  Overall, I'd say 2018 could be the best collection the U.S. has ever had to look forward to at this stage of a cycle.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 02, 2014, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: woacfan on July 02, 2014, 10:18:07 PM
All said,  the US now has moved into the knockout stage for the last three World Cups.  I see them taking the next step in 2018...
Actually it's only 2 in a row. They only managed a single draw in 2006 and finished last in their group.
Only twice has the US managed to win multiple games at a World Cup... 1930 and 2002. They still have a lot of work to do to be able to take the next step and be a consistent threat to make the semifinals, but they're certainly closer than they were 2 decades ago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: woacfan on July 03, 2014, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 02, 2014, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: woacfan on July 02, 2014, 10:18:07 PM
All said,  the US now has moved into the knockout stage for the last three World Cups.  I see them taking the next step in 2018...
Actually it's only 2 in a row. They only managed a single draw in 2006 and finished last in their group.
Only twice has the US managed to win multiple games at a World Cup... 1930 and 2002. They still have a lot of work to do to be able to take the next step and be a consistent threat to make the semifinals, but they're certainly closer than they were 2 decades ago.

2, 3, 8....I never let the facts get in the way of a good story!  haha!  ;D
My bottom line is they've become a very interesting team and I am looking forward to seeing where it all leads!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 04, 2014, 01:40:19 AM
Quarterfinal time... now that a bunch of the American "fans" of the World Cup will lose interest without the US in it, it's time for the contenders to shine.

France vs Germany: West Germany had issues in 1982 which leads to people today going on about them to fill time for back to back games. France has been impressive while Germany was exposed a bit against Algeria. I can see Germany keeping it scoreless through regulation but France will strike in extra time for the 1-0 win

Brazil vs Colombia: The finals of the South American bracket. Brazil is the top seed and gets to host :D Brazil has been shaky at times but they've survived. Colombia meanwhile are enjoying their best run ever. All the pressure will be on Brazil but the home crowd won't be enough. Colombia with the upset and a 2-1 victory over the hosts.

Argentina vs Belgium: Both of these teams needed extra time in their last game and both avoided going to PKs. This time however there won't be any goals in extra time and they'll head to penalty kicks still tied at 0. This one is a total coin flip and I'll go with Argentina.

Netherlands vs Costa Rica: The darlings of the tournament have been Costa Rica. I'm sure they'll have a lot of support in the crowd but unfortunately their run comes to an end. Netherlands will cruise to a 2-0 win


Just looking ahead... at the moment I think I'd pick Oranje over Les Bleus in the finals
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 04, 2014, 01:59:50 PM
The main reason the US needs to get better in soccer is so we can get play-by-play announcers who sound like us. :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: frank uible on July 04, 2014, 05:22:35 PM
When taking NYC taxicabs, it became clear scores and scores of years ago that we are probably not ever going to sound like us again..
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 04, 2014, 06:06:27 PM
I guess I wasn't very clear myself.  The guys with English and Scottish accents speak English but are hard to understand.  We need Bob Costas or someone similar.  Also, I have no idea why it is important to the national team for all the references to their club teams.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 04, 2014, 06:17:55 PM
Personally I enjoy announcers with various British accents better than most of the bombastic American announcers. I don't have any problem understanding them, but then again I've watched a lot of British tv stuff so I'm used to it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 04, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
How could Germany vs France be that boring?  For this stage of the tournament that was a game lacking urgency and style. As for Brazil vs Columbia the ref let the game get out of hand. Should have been very entertaining but turned into a slugfest with Neymar going out for the tournament. A real shame. Here's hoping tomorrows games are better.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 05, 2014, 02:05:32 PM
Only once has a CONCACAF team made it to the semifinals, that was the US in 1930. The only other team not from Europe or S America to make the semifinals was South Korea in 2002 when they hosted. Could Costa Rica possibly join that list today?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 06, 2014, 05:53:43 PM
Pretty much the final four you could have hoped for.

I think Robben might end up winning this thing for Holland, he's been rampaging this whole tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on July 07, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 04, 2014, 01:59:50 PM
The main reason the US needs to get better in soccer is so we can get play-by-play announcers who sound like us. :P

There is no one better than Ian Darke...  If Bob Costas or even Gus Johnson commentated WC games, it would be a shame.


Quote from: sac on July 06, 2014, 05:53:43 PM
Pretty much the final four you could have hoped for.

I think Robben might end up winning this thing for Holland, he's been rampaging this whole tournament.

He was the only player with any urgency vs Costa Rica.  Holland couldn't break down 8 guys behind the ball, but that should change vs Argentina.   Robben could have a field day if he somehow gets into 4 v 4 or 3 v 3 situations vs that backline.

I still give the edge to the host nation even without Neymar and Silva.   Not bad when you can have Dante come off the bench or a workhorse like Willian or Ramirez come in with slightly changing some tactics.   Sure they are two big losses, but the crowd/atmosphere should be insane.  (Thought Brazil was going to be up 3-0 before I finished my 2nd beer during the Colombia game).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 07, 2014, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on July 07, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 04, 2014, 01:59:50 PM
The main reason the US needs to get better in soccer is so we can get play-by-play announcers who sound like us. :P

There is no one better than Ian Darke...  If Bob Costas or even Gus Johnson commentated WC games, it would be a shame.

FOX has already said they want Gus Johnson to be the #1 announcer for the 2018 World Cup.  He is just awful at soccer.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 07, 2014, 12:53:16 PM
I don't know anything about Gus Johnson, but naming the person four years ahead is really bad management.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 07, 2014, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 07, 2014, 12:53:16 PM
I don't know anything about Gus Johnson, but naming the person four years ahead is really bad management.

I'm thinking Fox is smiling right now. ESPN must be kicking themselves a bit having seen the ratings from this Cup. However, with Russia and Qatar on tap, the times for U.S. viewers probably won't be as friendly for the next two Cups. That could cut into viewership. Even worse if FIFA moves the Qatar Cup to American Football season. That will be a disaster for Fox and I fully expect them to sue for a reduction in fees.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 07, 2014, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 07, 2014, 12:53:16 PM
I don't know anything about Gus Johnson, but naming the person four years ahead is really bad management.


Five years actually.

basketball is where he belongs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB2KOhEceNM

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 08, 2014, 05:06:44 AM
Quote from: sac on July 07, 2014, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on July 07, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 04, 2014, 01:59:50 PM
The main reason the US needs to get better in soccer is so we can get play-by-play announcers who sound like us. :P

There is no one better than Ian Darke...  If Bob Costas or even Gus Johnson commentated WC games, it would be a shame.

FOX has already said they want Gus Johnson to be the #1 announcer for the 2018 World Cup.  He is just awful at soccer.
To announce soccer you have to strike a balance between calm/subdued and an exciting burst. Gus Johnson would be fine if he only announced the big scoring opportunities but for 85% of the game he'd be way too loud and trying to force excitement rather than let play speak for itself.



Not to change the topic, but I've heard there are a couple games coming up soon :D

Brazil vs Germany: Doesn't get much better than this. Two of the World Cup heavyweights with a spot in the final on the line. At this point I'm done doubting Brazil. They may not be the dominating side we're used to but they're at home and they keep finding a way and they'll do just fine against Germany. As I'm sure everyone knows by now, the last time Brazil lost any match at home was a friendly in 2002 to Paraguay in their first match after winning the World Cup when they had all their starters out early. The last meaningful loss was in the 1975 Copa America. All that being said, I think Germany has looked better all tournament and they aren't missing two of their top players. I think it will be a good match that could go either way, but I think Germany will make that extra one or two plays that will be the difference. Germany 2-1.

Netherlands vs Argentina: Netherlands are the longshots of the last four (horrible odds at 3/1 compared to the other three teams all at 5/2 ;)) but Argentina has had the longest wait between semifinals of the 4 teams (1990).  Argentina has won all five of their games by a single goal (including a trio of 1-0 wins) while Netherlands have scored at least 2 goals in 4 out of 5 games. Argentina has only beaten Netherlands once in 8 meetings, but it was a big one... the 1978 finals in Buenos Aires. I think it's 1-1 after regulation and Messi yet again saves the team with a goal in extra time. Argentina 2-1.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 08, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 08, 2014, 05:06:44 AM
Quote from: sac on July 07, 2014, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on July 07, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 04, 2014, 01:59:50 PM
The main reason the US needs to get better in soccer is so we can get play-by-play announcers who sound like us. :P

There is no one better than Ian Darke...  If Bob Costas or even Gus Johnson commentated WC games, it would be a shame.

FOX has already said they want Gus Johnson to be the #1 announcer for the 2018 World Cup.  He is just awful at soccer.
To announce soccer you have to strike a balance between calm/subdued and an exciting burst. Gus Johnson would be fine if he only announced the big scoring opportunities but for 85% of the game he'd be way too loud and trying to force excitement rather than let play speak for itself.

Gus Johnson's weakness is that he doesn't know the game well enough yet, the leagues or players.  He stumbles with names and player identification and can add absolutely nothing to any discussion about historical references made by his color guy.  Its just clunky all the way through a game.


There isn't much difference between his exuberance and someone like England's Martin Tyler who can lose it when the moments right.

Gus Johnson's FA Cup Final call of Wigan's 2013 Cup win.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5e8xRkT1g

Martin Tyler FA Cup Final call of Gerrard's blast to tie West Ham...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CWEHefhtZg
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on July 08, 2014, 12:32:56 PM
Brazil scores in the first 30 min by way of counter-attack and extreme crowd energy.   Holds on by diving, fouling, slow play to win 1-0.    I expect Oscar to play ACM role, with Willian on the right...   They will be more defensive and absorb pressure.  There is a chance Germany could equalize late...  Gonna be a doozy.

If Germany scores first... I cannot see Brazil equalizing.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 08, 2014, 03:41:33 PM
1-1. Brazil wins on PKs.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 08, 2014, 04:58:36 PM
This just in:  OxyBob decides he likes soccer after all. :P

Brazil would never had made it out of the group of death. :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 08, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 08, 2014, 04:58:36 PM
This just in:  OxyBob decides he likes soccer after all. :P

Brazil would never had made it out of the group of death. :)

Not without Neymar and Silva.....apparently. :-\ :-[
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 08, 2014, 06:54:18 PM
That was unexpected. Brazil clearly panicked at 2 down and then Germany seemed to punish them on every counter. It is odd to see at this level but considering the circumstances it didn't much matter if they lost 4-0 or 7-1, so you can see the point of continuing to take stupid risks even as it kept ending badly.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 09, 2014, 06:53:15 AM
To tie this into the D3 world... did anyone else feel that Brazil were like Mount Union football 2013? Kept finding a way to win but not as convincing as expected then when the floodgates opened it got ugly. Four goals in six minute? Against Brazil? In Brazil? In a World Cup semifinal? :o
They did play better in the second half but it would have been rather hard to have played worse. Credit to Germany for taking advantage of the opportunities but I think it was more about the defense being completely useless without Thiago Silva to lead them. That back line was an utter mess.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 09, 2014, 08:43:37 AM
Well I don't think I'll take a stab at today's game except to say I don't think it will be 7-1. That being said, it's hard not to believe that this will be Europe's year to win a rare non-European World Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: frank uible on July 09, 2014, 08:48:06 AM
Was the outcome merely an anomaly or the just triumph of substance over style?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 09, 2014, 09:02:19 AM
Quote from: frank uible on July 09, 2014, 08:48:06 AM
Was the outcome merely an anomaly or the just triumph of substance over style?

It was an anomaly. Germany is a better team, but not 6 goals better. There were almost no teams in the tournament 6 goals better than another. Honduras was arguably the worst team in the tournament and I would bet on them to not lose by 6 goals to any team in the field. Brazil became unraveled. You saw it after the second goal. They just blanked out and the Germans punished them for it. Usually when that starts to happen a single lucky save, a good block, a shanked pass by the team on the role, a bad bounce, etc. allows the defending team a breather and a chance to get their heads back in the game. Germany was absolutely perfect through those 6 or 7 minutes, and Brazil was awful and didn't get a stitch of luck to slow Germany down.

It was an astonishing 7 minutes of soccer. After that, Brazil had no choice. You must press forward, you must take chances, you leave yourself even more open and they got punished twice more. On the other hand, Germany could just sit back and counter. You just have to hand it to Germany and shake your head at Brazil. I don't think I'll ever see anything like that, at that level of professional sports, again.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: frank uible on July 09, 2014, 09:24:37 AM
In American professional football on November 17, 1940 the Washington Redskins defeated the Chicago Bears, 7-3, at Washington in a regular season game. On December 8, 1940, the Chicago Bears defeated the Washington Redskins, 73-0, at Washington in the NFL championship game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 09, 2014, 09:58:58 AM
Quote from: frank uible on July 09, 2014, 09:24:37 AM
In American professional football on November 17, 1940 the Washington Redskins defeated the Chicago Bears, 7-3, at Washington in a regular season game. On December 8, 1940, the Chicago Bears defeated the Washington Redskins, 73-0, at Washington in the NFL championship game.

I'm not sure what that means in this context. Professional football in the 1940s is not comparable to professional sports today let alone soccer at the international level. Professional football in the 1940s would barely qualify as a semi-pro sport today, with many players working second jobs in season and off-season being a time when they made enough money to live. At the time, college football was considered far and away a better product, and many of the best college football players didn't go on to play professional as it didn't pay enough to live on.

Let's not even touch on scouting and game planning. There are no surprises in the players or play in international soccer these days. In pro football in the 1940s there were still a pile of unknowns as teams rarely had the budgets or the ability to film and study opponents. Just as blowouts and unusual results were more common in the formative years of the World Cup (pre-1970s), so was professional football of the 1940s a different animal than today.

One of the best anecdotes I can think of to compare yesterday's loss are the stories about the U.S.'s 1950 1-0 win over England. The result was so inconceivable in Europe that most newspapers ran stories about how the U.S. lost 10-0, assuming that the scoreline they received was a wire error. If the same media conditions existed today, I bet newspapers across the world would have assumed the score was, at worst, 2-1, and the 7 was simply a printing flaw.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: frank uible on July 09, 2014, 10:06:53 AM
It may mean that anomalies in athletics can and do happen from time to time.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 09, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: frank uible on July 09, 2014, 10:06:53 AM
It may mean that anomalies in athletics can and do happen from time to time.

That I would agree with 100%
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 09, 2014, 11:15:25 AM
ESPN tried to compare Germany's scoring barrage to other sports.  They came up with 14 goals in hockey, 22 runs in baseball, 100+ points in football and 484 points in the NBA.



Quote from: frank uible on July 09, 2014, 10:06:53 AM
It may mean that anomalies in athletics can and do happen from time to time.

I don't know, Brazil just might not be very good with their top offensive and top defensive players on the sideline.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 09, 2014, 11:50:43 AM
Brazil without Neymar and Silva is still a top 10 team in the world. Top 50 teams don't get beat 7-1, at home, without it being an abnormal catastrophe. No, that was a unique series of events that involved pressure and a complete 6 minute collapse with absolutely no luck while the other team played that same span to perfection. I won't say you'll never see it happen again, but I wouldn't bet on it happening in my lifetime.

The important thing to remember is it happened in 6 minutes! Up until the second goal, and even the second half when Brazil flooded forwarded, they were competitive. But for those 6 minutes they couldn't do anything right. It's like a baseball team giving up 15 runs in a Game 7 of the ALCS, but doing it all in one inning while only 7 of those runs were earned.

Or a football team giving up 35 points in a playoff game in the following sequence, natural touchdown, fumble on kickoff, one play drive. Interception on second play, 3 play drive for a score, fumble on kickoff returned for a td. Fumble on 3rd play following kickoff, 1 play drive for a score.

That's how bad Brazil was for 6 minutes and how efficient Germany was during the same time. A perfect 6 minute storm that was amazing to watch at that level of sport.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 10, 2014, 08:56:39 AM
Can't say I'm sad to see Arjen Robben's over-theatrics consigned to the third place game. He complained about everything last night and it was nice to see the flopper extraordinaire not get his way. That being said, he's really only marginally worse than anyone else, but he rubs me the wrong way. Argentina should be a dog, but they have a chance to keep Europe's futility in South America going.

On a different note, let me point out how unlucky the U.S. has been since returning to the World Cup in 1990. In 5 of 7 tournaments, the U.S. has faced one of the final four participants. That's just odd.

1990 -- Italy in Group Stage (Italy finished 3rd at a home tournament)
1994 -- Champion Brazil in Round of 16
1998 -- None. Ultimate U.S. flop team
2002 -- Germany in Quarterfinals. Germany finished runner-up
2006 -- Champion Italy in Group Stage. This otherwise under performing U.S. team was the only one to take points of Italy
2010 -- none.
2014 -- Germany in Group Stage.

That's what happens when you aren't seeded and don't win your group. You get bad pairings.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 10, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Facing one of the final four teams doesn't seem like such an odd possibility to me. I'll probably end up figuring out stats while I'm typing this.

Here's our good friends Mexico in the same 7 tournaments.
1990: DNP
1994: Italy (2nd) in group stage, Bulgaria (4th) round of 16
1998: Netherlands (4th) in group stage
2002: none
2006: Portugal (4th) in group stage
2010: Uruguay (4th) in group stage
2014: Brazil in group stage, Netherlands round of 16 (finished 3rd and 4th)


Another way to look at it would be how many teams in a given world cup end up playing a top 4 team. This year three teams in groups A (Brazil), B (Netherlands), F (Argentina), and G (Germany) played teams in the top 4. In round of 16 there was also Algeria (Germany) and Switzerland (Argentina). In the quarterfinals add Colombia (Brazil), France (Germany), Costa Rica (Netherlands), Belgium (Argentina). That's a total of 18 out of 28 teams. I think the maximum possible is 20 and the minimum is 12.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 10, 2014, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 10, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Facing one of the final four teams doesn't seem like such an odd possibility to me. I'll probably end up figuring out stats while I'm typing this.

Here's our good friends Mexico in the same 7 tournaments.
1990: DNP
1994: Italy (2nd) in group stage, Bulgaria (4th) round of 16
1998: Netherlands (4th) in group stage
2002: none
2006: Portugal (4th) in group stage
2010: Uruguay (4th) in group stage
2014: Brazil in group stage, Netherlands round of 16 (finished 3rd and 4th)


Another way to look at it would be how many teams in a given world cup end up playing a top 4 team. This year three teams in groups A (Brazil), B (Netherlands), F (Argentina), and G (Germany) played teams in the top 4. In round of 16 there was also Algeria (Germany) and Switzerland (Argentina). In the quarterfinals add Colombia (Brazil), France (Germany), Costa Rica (Netherlands), Belgium (Argentina). That's a total of 18 out of 28 teams. I think the maximum possible is 20 and the minimum is 12.

That math seems right to me. Showing that it should be about 50% of the time. The U.S. is 5 of 7. Well through 50%, although in a small sample it's not as big a deal as it actually looks. The variation from normal is easily accounted for when you consider seeding, as well as increased chances of facing a final 4 participant as the group runner-up (or worse for 1992) as opposed to the group winner. And no, the odds of facing a final four team, especially for a team getting out of their group roughly 50% of the time, is not completely unusual, it's just a bit unlucky.

It does get a bit worse when you consider the U.S. has faced a final 2 team in 4 of 7 tournaments, something that seems extremely unusual. But, as with all small sample sizes, that skews as well. It is also possible the U.S. will face the champion in 3 of 7 tournaments, provided Germany wins Sunday.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on July 10, 2014, 02:49:11 PM

Doesn't get any better...

http://screamer.deadspin.com/here-is-j-r-jim-ross-calling-the-brazil-germany-firs-1601968953
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 10, 2014, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on July 10, 2014, 02:49:11 PM

Doesn't get any better...

http://screamer.deadspin.com/here-is-j-r-jim-ross-calling-the-brazil-germany-firs-1601968953

Bravo!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on July 11, 2014, 11:15:36 AM
Didn't notice this live but the block to the left almost went in from the backspin on the ball....

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/10/5889449/ron-vlaar-penalty-netherlands-argentina-world-cup-semifinal
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 12, 2014, 06:18:56 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on July 11, 2014, 11:15:36 AM
Didn't notice this live but the block to the left almost went in from the backspin on the ball....

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/10/5889449/ron-vlaar-penalty-netherlands-argentina-world-cup-semifinal
Wouldn't be the first time that's happened... but never on such a big stage.



Brazil vs Netherlands: I'm going to go out on a very thin limb here and say Brazil won't give up 7 goals. ;) Brazil will have Silva back which should get the defense back to being a defense and not a yellow sieve. My head is telling me all signs point to Brazil winning... teams playing for pride with Brazil at home... Netherlands being down after narrowly missing the finals while Brazil looks to prove something after the humiliation. However my gut is telling me Netherlands will continue with the excellent defense (1 goal in the last 4 games) and one of their many stars will find a way to score. I'm rather hungry at the moment so gut wins. Oranje 1-0
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 13, 2014, 07:32:19 AM
The day has finally arrived... who will hoist the FIFA World Cup?

Germany vs Argentina: This is the third straight time they've met at the World Cup. Germany winning the last two meetings in the quarterfinals. This is the fifth World Cup that has been held in South America... the previous four were all won by South American teams.
Germany had an extra day of rest but as we saw in the 3rd place game that doesn't necessarily matter. I expect an exciting game full of chances for both sides. 90 minutes won't be enough as they'll be tied 1-1, Argentina with an early goal and Germany with one near the hour mark. In extra time Messi won't be the hero, but he'll set the hero up with an assist. Argentina will add even more salt into Brazil's wounds and they lift the cup 2-1 in extra time.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on July 13, 2014, 10:55:57 AM

I hope this isn't a game like Holland/Argentina where spacing was tight and very few chances created.

Not sure if Hummels is fit to go today, but that could be a huge blow to the backline.

Mueller gets the Golden boot, Higuain gets the winner;  2-1 Argentina.

Brazil riots ensue...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 13, 2014, 05:50:03 PM
Germany wins its fourth cup, 1-0, with a brilliant goal by Gotze in the 113th minute.  Prior to that, Argentina's defense was utterly impenetrable (and, obviously, Germany's was no slouch either; though the shut-out required a game by the German keeper nearly equal to Tim Howard's game).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: sac on July 13, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 13, 2014, 05:50:03 PM
Germany wins its fourth cup, 1-0, with a brilliant goal by Gotze in the 113th minute.  Prior to that, Argentina's defense was utterly impenetrable (and, obviously, Germany's was no slouch either; though the shut-out required a game by the German keeper nearly equal to Tim Howard's game).

Saves
Neuer =2  Howard =16

Yeah, nearly! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 13, 2014, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: sac on July 13, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 13, 2014, 05:50:03 PM
Germany wins its fourth cup, 1-0, with a brilliant goal by Gotze in the 113th minute.  Prior to that, Argentina's defense was utterly impenetrable (and, obviously, Germany's was no slouch either; though the shut-out required a game by the German keeper nearly equal to Tim Howard's game).

Saves
Neuer =2  Howard =16

Yeah, nearly! ;)

Zing!  Didn't realize he was credited with so few saves, but the two were both spectacular.  He misses either one, and the game doesn't go to OT.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 13, 2014, 10:04:23 PM
The winning goal on TV in Germany and Argentina.

http://deadspin.com/heres-how-gotzes-world-cup-winning-goal-sounded-in-germ-1604394509?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 14, 2014, 08:54:38 AM
Heck of a goal. A decent end to a very good tournament. The best team throughout the tournament took home the title. That's good to see. It'll be interesting how many team's copy Germany's "build your own campus" approach for the next World Cup. Might be a necessity for the American's in Russia.

Not sure how Lionel Messi got the Golden Boot. He did carry his team through the round robin and the first two knockout games, I guess that was enough since Germany didn't have a single dominant player, just a dominant team. Enjoy those facilities and debt payments Brazil, sure hope it was worth it...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: frank uible on July 14, 2014, 09:05:19 AM
Is it true that Germany is now asking for a do-over on WWII?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 14, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: frank uible on July 14, 2014, 09:05:19 AM
Is it true that Germany is now asking for a do-over on WWII?
They lost the shootout.  :P
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 15, 2014, 05:57:52 AM
Quote from: jknezek on July 14, 2014, 08:54:38 AM
Heck of a goal. A decent end to a very good tournament. The best team throughout the tournament took home the title. That's good to see. It'll be interesting how many team's copy Germany's "build your own campus" approach for the next World Cup. Might be a necessity for the American's in Russia.

Not sure how Lionel Messi got the Golden Boot. He did carry his team through the round robin and the first two knockout games, I guess that was enough since Germany didn't have a single dominant player, just a dominant team. Enjoy those facilities and debt payments Brazil, sure hope it was worth it...
Don't forget they have the Olympics in 2 years... so they haven't even reached the end of the debts yet.


Congrats to Germany on earning a fourth star on their crest. A worthy champion.

Now we have a 12 month wait until the 2018 qualifying begins.  :-\
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 15, 2014, 07:02:48 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 15, 2014, 05:57:52 AM
Quote from: jknezek on July 14, 2014, 08:54:38 AM
Heck of a goal. A decent end to a very good tournament. The best team throughout the tournament took home the title. That's good to see. It'll be interesting how many team's copy Germany's "build your own campus" approach for the next World Cup. Might be a necessity for the American's in Russia.

Not sure how Lionel Messi got the Golden Boot. He did carry his team through the round robin and the first two knockout games, I guess that was enough since Germany didn't have a single dominant player, just a dominant team. Enjoy those facilities and debt payments Brazil, sure hope it was worth it...
Don't forget they have the Olympics in 2 years... so they haven't even reached the end of the debts yet.


Congrats to Germany on earning a fourth star on their crest. A worthy champion.

Now we have a 12 month wait until the 2018 qualifying begins.  :-\

Yes but next summer we have the Gold Cup and in 2016 we will have Copa America and Olympic qualifying!  Hopefully in 2017  we will have a Confederation's Cup as well as another Gold Cup. Lot of USMNT the next few years.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 30, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Qualifying for the 2018 World Cup starts in less than 6 weeks with the first matches in the AFC on March 12th (it will be all of 8 months since Germany won in Brazil). CONCACAF starts just 11 days later (first and second round draws have already been determined).
A mere 3 years and 3 months later will be the start of the World Cup in Russia :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on January 30, 2015, 04:06:37 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 30, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Qualifying for the 2018 World Cup starts in less than 6 weeks with the first matches in the AFC on March 12th (it will be all of 8 months since Germany won in Brazil). CONCACAF starts just 11 days later (first and second round draws have already been determined).
A mere 3 years and 3 months later will be the start of the World Cup in Russia :)

All of this is true, but the important thing to remember is what is currently called "The World Cup" is actually officially "The World Cup Finals". What is commonly considered qualifying is actually just as much of The World Cup as the actual Finals. Except no one really considers that to be true. Regardless, The World Cup starts on March 12th and is essentially a three and a half year tournament that concludes with the dramatic World Cup Finals, not a ridiculously long and drawn out qualifying process that results in an official tournament a few years from now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 13, 2015, 09:15:44 AM
World Cup 2018 is officially underway.  :)
First goal scored by Quito for Timor-Leste in a 4-1 win over Mongolia... their first WC win. The two lowest ranked sides in AFC both got 1-0 wins on the road (Brunei over Taipei and Bhutan over Sri Lanka)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on April 04, 2015, 11:27:31 PM
Big Shot

  http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/04/04/video-charlie-adam-goal-stoke-city-vs-chelsea
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Boz v Ireland 0-0 at the half....This is like stealing candy from a baby.

got the HT draw at +200 and the under 1 at -115....Excellent start to a probably destructive wknd. If anyone cared
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 13, 2015, 03:43:53 PM
Thoughts on tonight's USMNT. US win 3-1. No way they keep a clean sheet!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 03:46:40 PM
8-0...Klinsman pours it on
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 13, 2015, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2015, 03:46:40 PM
8-0...Klinsman pours it on

He better just hope for a win. If he gets beat by a team with a population of only 100k he will no longer have a job! Bring Bradley back! Darn he just signed a new contract with a French League Team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 13, 2015, 04:13:08 PM

USMNT 4, Daniel Webster 0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 13, 2015, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 13, 2015, 04:13:08 PM

USMNT 4, Daniel Webster 0.

LGOTB, Does this mean Montclair St. could tie the USMNT!!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 13, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 13, 2015, 04:13:08 PM

USMNT 4, Daniel Webster 0.

USMNT 4, St. Vincent 0.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 25, 2015, 01:38:15 PM
Who do people like for today's Champions league games?

Yesterday would have been a PERFECT 4 Team Parlay

Barcelona -2  -115
Arsenal     -2  -115
Bayern      -2   -110
Chelsea     -1    -110

I would have done it but I was not sure about Chelsea winning in Tel Aviv and Arsenal winning by 2 goals. As it turns out all games were easy as cake.


Today I am guessing will not be so easy. Hard to ignore Real Madrid at even money or Juventus at even money against a depleted Man City side....Last Guy thoughts?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 25, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 25, 2015, 01:38:15 PM
Who do people like for today's Champions league games?

Yesterday would have been a PERFECT 4 Team Parlay

Barcelona -2  -115
Arsenal     -2  -115
Bayern      -2   -110
Chelsea     -1    -110

I would have done it but I was not sure about Chelsea winning in Tel Aviv and Arsenal winning by 2 goals. As it turns out all games were easy as cake.


Today I am guessing will not be so easy. Hard to ignore Real Madrid at even money or Juventus at even money against a depleted Man City side....Last Guy thoughts?

PSG Win -454
Man City Tie +230
Man U Tie +340
Yes I am crazy but Ill take my 165 bananas if it turns out right for risking 10.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 25, 2015, 02:25:17 PM
So Man City with nothing to play for gets a draw at Juve?  Interesting.

Can PSV muster a draw at Man U?

PSG is at -2 at Malmo..

I like it but not sure about PSV...Thought on Real Madrid at even money?  Is that the sucker bet? Or do they come back with a mission
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 25, 2015, 02:28:22 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 25, 2015, 02:25:17 PM
So Man City with nothing to play for gets a draw at Juve?  Interesting.

Can PSV muster a draw at Man U?

PSG is at -2 at Malmo..

I like it but not sure about PSV...Thought on Real Madrid at even money?  Is that the sucker bet? Or do they come back with a mission

I'd take Real Madrid at even money! After that ugly display they come back alive.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 25, 2015, 03:16:05 PM
City in trouble against Juve. They looked good but then gave away a goal on the counter and Mandzukic scored. As I write this Mandzukic robbed of a second by a great save from Joe Hart.

Coincidentally, this week last year I went to England and saw Tottenham play Partizan Belgrade in the Europa League in London on Thanksgiving Day, and then Liverpool against Stoke at home two days later on Saturday. Both teams won 1-0.

FWIW: Tottenham tickets were £25 day of the game, so if any of you are ever on the other side of the pond, Europa League games go for good prices. I didn't pay to go to Anfield so I don't know how much the tickets to Liverpool were - and they're tough to get so I don't want to know. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 25, 2015, 03:40:51 PM
Looks like I need some help from Man City. I'm ok if everyone else stays right where they are at the half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 25, 2015, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 25, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 25, 2015, 01:38:15 PM
Who do people like for today's Champions league games?

Yesterday would have been a PERFECT 4 Team Parlay

Barcelona -2  -115
Arsenal     -2  -115
Bayern      -2   -110
Chelsea     -1    -110

I would have done it but I was not sure about Chelsea winning in Tel Aviv and Arsenal winning by 2 goals. As it turns out all games were easy as cake.


Today I am guessing will not be so easy. Hard to ignore Real Madrid at even money or Juventus at even money against a depleted Man City side....Last Guy thoughts?

PSG Win -454
Man City Tie +230
Man U Tie +340
Yes I am crazy but Ill take my 165 bananas if it turns out right for risking 10.

Lost a 25 banana 5 team parlay this week...

Leicester City +152
Stoke +550
Chelsea -240
Man Utd + 104
Real Madrid +150 DOHHHHHH

woulda hit for 2700...   I had Liverpool +.5 goal for +135 but changed my selection to Real Madrid at home...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 25, 2015, 03:51:50 PM

Arsenal has to go into Greece and get the W to lock up a spot in the round of 16...  Probably gonna be around -130 and I'll bite on that one.   
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 30, 2015, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 25, 2015, 03:51:50 PM

Arsenal has to go into Greece and get the W to lock up a spot in the round of 16...  Probably gonna be around -130 and I'll bite on that one.



You think -130?  I would also bite. That will be a fun game to watch as Arsenal will be pushing forward all game until they score. On the other side they could get burned on the counter but yes -130 would be a good bite for a pound of bananas.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 30, 2015, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 25, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 25, 2015, 01:38:15 PM
Who do people like for today's Champions league games?

Yesterday would have been a PERFECT 4 Team Parlay

Barcelona -2  -115
Arsenal     -2  -115
Bayern      -2   -110
Chelsea     -1    -110

I would have done it but I was not sure about Chelsea winning in Tel Aviv and Arsenal winning by 2 goals. As it turns out all games were easy as cake.


Today I am guessing will not be so easy. Hard to ignore Real Madrid at even money or Juventus at even money against a depleted Man City side....Last Guy thoughts?

PSG Win -454
Man City Tie +230
Man U Tie +340
Yes I am crazy but Ill take my 165 bananas if it turns out right for risking 10.








Good call on the PSV draw at United. That was a nice bonus until I stupidly went with Man U with a W at Leicester. I am still befuddled how Claudio Ranieri gets it done. He might have the most stops of any coach in European futbol. I would guess he has managed at least half of the teams in Serie A. Gotta love a guy that has a reputation of turning things around quickly and then having the whole process blow up in your face a year or 2 down the line. The best when he was hired to manage Greece and sacked 2 months later after losing to Faroe Islands at Home. However, he has had success at plenty of stops including recently at Monaco. As most people are, I am rooting for Leicester from a distance and intrigued to see how long they can hang at the top.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 30, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
Mr. Right, I think his longest stay anywhere is with Chelsea for 4 years and then he got sacked for Mourinho's first stint.
Everyone likes the underdog and I personally think this year will last for Leicester. My thoughts are they need to get into the new year either 1 or 2 in the table. They play counter attack soccer and even when they first in the table that didn't change. The 4-4-2 they play looks solid defensively. They shut down pass lanes well. They do have a tough stretch to finish 2015(Swansea, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Man City). Hopefully in the transfer window they don't do something stupid and sell Vardy or they will finish Top 10 at best I think. I would assume he is gone at year end. I am Southampton supporter(since 1994) so I know what its like to watch guys get sold year after year(almost) and I have a feeling we will see Leicester lose a few which might hurt Ranieri.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 30, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
I don't think Vardy's consecutive goals streak is going to be broken while I'm still alive, if ever...

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 30, 2015, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 30, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
I don't think Vardy's consecutive goals streak is going to be broken while I'm still alive, if ever...

I don't know how old you are but I would agree. The question is can he put up another against Swansea. Chances are in his favor.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 01, 2015, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 30, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
Mr. Right, I think his longest stay anywhere is with Chelsea for 4 years and then he got sacked for Mourinho's first stint.
Everyone likes the underdog and I personally think this year will last for Leicester. My thoughts are they need to get into the new year either 1 or 2 in the table. They play counter attack soccer and even when they first in the table that didn't change. The 4-4-2 they play looks solid defensively. They shut down pass lanes well. They do have a tough stretch to finish 2015(Swansea, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Man City). Hopefully in the transfer window they don't do something stupid and sell Vardy or they will finish Top 10 at best I think. I would assume he is gone at year end. I am Southampton supporter(since 1994) so I know what its like to watch guys get sold year after year(almost) and I have a feeling we will see Leicester lose a few which might hurt Ranieri.



I thought Leicester looked very good 1st Half v United and were very dangerous on the counter. I thought 2nd Half was a different story as after Man U scored late 1st Half they were much more conservative which is understandable but also unwatchable especially playing United. I nodded off 70th minute and that was WITH bananas on the line. I would not pay $20 to watch United right now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Letthekidsplay59 on December 01, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
This run Leicester is on is fun, but I don't really see them as a threat to finish in the top four.  They will regress.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 01, 2015, 02:10:09 PM
I thought Leicester looked very good 1st Half v United and were very dangerous on the counter. I thought 2nd Half was a different story as after Man U scored late 1st Half they were much more conservative which is understandable but also unwatchable especially playing United. I nodded off 70th minute and that was WITH bananas on the line. I would not pay $20 to watch United right now.
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I use to enjoy watching United play but I struggle now as well. I was joking with someone and mentioned how it reminded me a little of the Hoosiers movie. You must pass the ball X amount of times before you can go to goal. I know I am exaggerating a little but they are at the top of the premier league and in the hunt. So he is doing something right. The question is who is the next United coach in 2-3 years? Does Giggs get a chance?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 01, 2015, 04:23:55 PM
Ruud being Ruud...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLn3GU15y7c


I'll still take Bergkamp over RVP and RVN, and it's not even close for me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: firstplaceloser on December 01, 2015, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 01, 2015, 04:23:55 PM
Ruud being Ruud...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLn3GU15y7c


I'll still take Bergkamp over RVP and RVN, and it's not even close for me.

that defender deserved every bit of that celebration
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 02, 2015, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 01, 2015, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 01, 2015, 04:23:55 PM
Ruud being Ruud...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLn3GU15y7c


I'll still take Bergkamp over RVP and RVN, and it's not even close for me.

that defender deserved every bit of that celebration

I agree!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 02, 2015, 02:49:50 PM
I am sure I can find some Liverpool fans on this site but "Lets Go Southampton!"

I took Southampton to advance for 50 bananas.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: firstplaceloser on December 02, 2015, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on December 02, 2015, 02:49:50 PM
I am sure I can find some Liverpool fans on this site but "Lets Go Southampton!"

I took Southampton to advance for 50 bananas.

I'm sensing a come back...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 02, 2015, 04:41:19 PM
6-1 after giving up a goal in the first minute then scoring 6 straight...yikes Klopp has them looking good.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 02, 2015, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 02, 2015, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on December 02, 2015, 02:49:50 PM
I am sure I can find some Liverpool fans on this site but "Lets Go Southampton!"

I took Southampton to advance for 50 bananas.

I'm sensing a come back...

I am thinking I'll be crying in my pillow. That was ugly.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: firstplaceloser on December 03, 2015, 12:01:21 AM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on December 02, 2015, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 02, 2015, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on December 02, 2015, 02:49:50 PM
I am sure I can find some Liverpool fans on this site but "Lets Go Southampton!"

I took Southampton to advance for 50 bananas.

I'm sensing a come back...

I am thinking I'll be crying in my pillow. That was ugly.

Klopp is a tactical genius. he can turn any average team into a top 3 team. Liverpool was very smart to grab him
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 03, 2015, 08:59:55 AM
I agree. They definitely have all the young talent and potential and Rodgers did a great job at developing them as individuals but the team chemistry just wasn't fully clicking. They were close though. Plus the injury bug didn't help him and I am sure he will be saying if he had mostly everyone healthy they would be top 3 like his previous years. But Klopp has taken them to the next level and I think he is there to stay. Just wait til he gets some more Germans on the team. Also, the league is still wide open at the top so they could make a push for the title but lets not get ahead of ourselves just yet!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 08, 2015, 10:03:00 AM
What are people's thoughts on Man U at Wolfsburg?   Wolfsburg only needs a draw to win the group and Man U needs the win. Man U has multiple injuries but have depth as I imagine Sweinsteiger will play with Carrick today. Can Man U win this game? I do not trust some of these Eastern European refs as today's is Romanian. I think I will pass on this one.

The other one is Athletico at Benfica with both teams already qualified and a very shady Serbian ref who has been in plenty of controversies if you look him up. Benfica is +1/2 at Home which is hard to ignore but I am also inclined to pass.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 08, 2015, 10:12:28 AM
The other game is Sevilla v Juve. Sevilla at home need all 3 pts to reach Europa but I have not seen them play this year. Juve I have and have been very impressed and I believe they win the group with a draw. Polish ref with a ton of controversy. I want action but these 3 games leave me with my hands ripping my hair out
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: firstplaceloser on December 08, 2015, 02:57:31 PM
20 year old Martial puts Man U in the lead. the kid is special
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: firstplaceloser on December 08, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
spoke too soon. Wolfsburg come back with very nice goal
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 09, 2015, 11:56:50 AM
Typically go with the home sides in these UCL clashes.  With that being said, I am still rolling the dice on Arsenal +100 in Greece.   Expecting a 2-1, 3-1 result.

Chelsea and Porto sitting on 10 pts, (8 GD and 3 GD, respectively).  Kiev is sitting on 8 points.   Porto is going to have to open up this game at the Bridge, and I like Chelsea's chances.  However, I will have to wait and see what XI will be used today...   The draw is +235.  Chelsea to win is +118.   Anticipating a 1-1, 2-1 result.

Bayern -1.5 (-133) at Dinamo Zagreb.  Should barely cover and win 2-0...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 09, 2015, 01:00:06 PM
OK here we go...I got no action yesterday because I was doubting everything which is a gamblers absolute nightmare. Today is a new day with the same conundrums...Bayern is -2 but they are sending a reserve squad to Croatia. Neither team has much to play for except maybe Dinamo with some mini Europa chances.Swedish ref.

Arsenal line has moved to -1/2 EVEN. They have a ton of injuries and I am not sure they will be able to break Olympiakos down. Italian ref.

Why is Chelsea -1/2 +105 at Home v Porto. Seems like one of those if its to good to be true it usually is lines. I know Chelsea have struggled but cmon. Turkish ref gives me chills

Barcelona w/o Neymar and money going with Leverkusen.

Personally, I like Valencia at home v Lyon at -1 -140 as they MUST WIN and Lyon have nothing to play for.

Is Dynamo Kyiv -2 -120 at home to Maccabi Tel Avi who have looked awful another good one?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 09, 2015, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 09, 2015, 11:56:50 AM
Typically go with the home sides in these UCL clashes.  With that being said, I am still rolling the dice on Arsenal +100 in Greece.   Expecting a 2-1, 3-1 result.

Chelsea and Porto sitting on 10 pts, (8 GD and 3 GD, respectively).  Kiev is sitting on 8 points.   Porto is going to have to open up this game at the Bridge, and I like Chelsea's chances.  However, I will have to wait and see what XI will be used today...   The draw is +235.  Chelsea to win is +118.   Anticipating a 1-1, 2-1 result.

Bayern -1.5 (-133) at Dinamo Zagreb.  Should barely cover and win 2-0...

Did you just say you like Chelsea's chances? ;)

I like Chelsea's chances as well in this game. Although I would stay away from the Arsenal game. If I had to though I am going with 4 team Parlay - Chelsea Win, Olympiakos Win, Bayern -1.5, Keiv -2(depends on what it is). Let me know how many bananas I win for risking 50 bananas!!! I'll be watching one of the games from work!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 09, 2015, 02:45:33 PM
I like the 4 tm parlay, but would side with Olympiakos +.5 goal. Lower payout but better value...

Your par would give you about 1100 chicken wings.   Bananas have been an unlucky commodity so we roll with wings now..
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 10, 2015, 12:16:24 PM
Well Chelsea was a complete steal straight up yesterday..Today's Europa is much more difficult for me as sometimes I have not even heard of the teams that are playing...Insights? LastGuy?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 10, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Live action on Liverpool W +110 (0-0 40th)

Live action Club Brugge W +330 (down 1-0 40th)

Live action Napoli to win rest of game -140 (2-0 40th)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 10, 2015, 01:53:25 PM
FC Basel PK +112 at Lech Poznan

Schalke -162 at Tripolis

Fiorentina -1.5 -163 at home vs Belenenses



CP +158 at home vs Soton

Utd +125 at AFC Bournemouth. (Stealing money here 2-0 prop bet too)

Arsenal -180 at Villa.  (Stealing again). 3-1 prop play too)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 10, 2015, 02:02:45 PM
If Liverpool still tied in 75th.   Take the live action for the W as value should be close to +275
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 10, 2015, 03:47:31 PM
I took a chance and took Sion at +1/2 -110 straight up and nailed it. Game was a total bore but I was very lucky and happy with the result.

Gotta admit I'm on a hot streak right now with futbol..I will also admit when I am not so I'm not just fluffin my feathers...

Spurs up 3-0 against Monaco right now...Wish I took it as I had a hunch but wasn't sure they would cover -1 1/2..It's ok I can wait...

For the week-end I like your picks...I think Arsenal hittin their stride and Villa is a complete mess right now.

I just saw Gary Monk got the sack on Monday..GUess it had to happen but he did a great job for them last year and the way Swansea started the year I thought they would keep it going..All fell apart in early October...Any rumors on who is in-line? I would love to see Bielsa.

I think United is a steal also as they are eventually going to start rolling.

Still kickin myself I didn't listen to you yesterday with Chelsea. That was an absolute steal especially at the Bridge.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 11, 2015, 09:45:08 AM

So the NCAA D1 FINAL FOUR is listed on ESPN FC scores...   interesting.   

I remember a few years back I suckered tge book into taking the Akron over Louisville in the 2010 at even money.   Had a close friend that played at Akron and then transferred to Louisville...  That one was a freebie.

Who wins... Dave Brandt or Ken Lolla?  ha
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 11, 2015, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 11, 2015, 09:45:08 AM

So the NCAA D1 FINAL FOUR is listed on ESPN FC scores...   interesting.   

I remember a few years back I suckered tge book into taking the Akron over Louisville in the 2010 at even money.   Had a close friend that played at Akron and then transferred to Louisville...  That one was a freebie.

Who wins... Dave Brandt or Ken Lolla?  ha

I can only find the betting for the Akron/Stanford game. Any idea on the line for Clemson/Syracuse?

I hate to go against Akron but I think I'll take Stanford as the underdog in a 2-1 slugfest. I'll go with Syracuse and hope they can beat Clemson for a second time in a month(maybe 2 months). My guess is OT, possibly PKs. I'll only get to watch most of the first game and the second half of the second game. Darn Over 30 league!

50 chicken(cardinal) wings on Stanford to win!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 11, 2015, 01:36:48 PM

I like Syracuse over Stanford for the title... 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 11, 2015, 02:42:49 PM
Former Middlebury standout Mike Noonan 83' is Clemson's Head Coach. He has plenty of New England ties and has been a successful coach at ALL OF HIS STOPS...After graduating he went right into coaching. I believe he was Purgavie's 1st Assistant coach at Bates, he started Wheaton(MA)'s Mens Soccer Program and was their 1st Head Coach..He had great success at UNH which got him the job at Brown. When he was at Brown they regularly contended for the IVY and NCAA Sweet 16's. He followed Trevor Adair's route and got the Head Mens Soccer position at Clemson...NOTE: He replaced Adair at Brown who left for Clemson..Let's hope he doesn't follow Adair's path after Clemson where he got fired and is now coaching in Club Soccer.


This is BIG for Noonan and I am rooting for him...Clemson wins it all in PK's.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 11, 2015, 07:59:19 PM
Cuse cannot bye a goal...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 12, 2015, 10:01:55 AM
Stanford is not losing to Clemson... Very organized defensively and a ton of pace.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 12, 2015, 02:39:05 PM
Something tells me I need to keep picking Man Utd...when I do, they drop points!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Jump4Joy on December 12, 2015, 03:03:29 PM
Was it me, or did the first D1 game last night look just like a D3 tourney game? Just responding to the griping that goes on about D3 soccer.

I admit, the second game seemed to have more rhythm and connective tissue. (Saw much of the first half: impressed, as usual, by the Zips' technical ability and quick triangle passing. Stanford looked strong on the counter.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 12, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
Syracuse was unlucky to not advance

Akron possession yielded 0 shots in the first half.

And on utd.   If the line looks to good to be true loss #3155 in my career.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 13, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
Saw #6 from Clemson teeing up Morris for the PK as soon as the trash talk was done...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 14, 2015, 02:59:18 PM
Alright going out on a limb here. I'll take Chelsea with a 2-1 win. Since no one else has kept Leicester scoreless Chelsea sure won't. Diego Costa with the game winner in the 58th minute. I think I went pretty bold. Chelsea gets a little breathing room from the bottom of the table.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 14, 2015, 03:10:22 PM

Forgot to get this one in... Yes, I like Chelsea as well.  Haven't even checked the score.  I'd roll with my standard 2-0 win though.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 14, 2015, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 14, 2015, 03:10:22 PM

Forgot to get this one in... Yes, I like Chelsea as well.  Haven't even checked the score.  I'd roll with my standard 2-0 win though.

1-0 Leicester in the 34th minute. Vardy with the goal. A very nice flick off of a cross. Hazard came off due to injury about 5 minutes ago. Back and forth. Leicester of course looks good on the counter but have also had possession. Chelsea gets it wide and then the play just stops. Atleast I still have a chance at my 2-1 guess with Chelsea winning.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 14, 2015, 04:11:34 PM

Good thing I missed this action.   Chelsea is brutal.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 16, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
Anyone catch the QPR v Brighton Hove Albion match yesterday on BEIN?....Great game and BOTH of those teams are better than some Premier League teams( Norwich and Villa). I took QPR and the Over...It was an O/U 2 and QPR has been involved in 7 straight 1 goal games so it was a risk and thought I was going to get burned because at the Half it was 0-0. Then the floodgates opened the game got stretched and it was a great 2nd Half with QPR dominating and falling behind 2-0 but coming back to tie it 2-2.  Exciting match in which the ref let the teams play and there was way less of the theatrics of the BPL.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 16, 2015, 03:17:09 PM
Leicester looks VERY GOOD right now...That Vardy kid and the Algerian international are playing with so much confidence right now. Vardy's story is remarkable. He grew up not knowing his father in lower / middle class UK type deal. Kind of thuggish but not his fault type thing. Sheffield Wednesday drops him at age 16 and he continues to float around every damn league in the UK. At one point got in a classic UK pub brawl, gets arrested with an ankle bracelet for 6 months and CONTINUES to play but CANNOT play night games because he has a curfew...You cannot make this stuff up...Somehow gets it going by age 26 and finally gets noticed and starts producing by age 26..Total late bloomer that Leicester will keep IMO but the Algerian is 24 and is legit...He will have a HIGH price tag that Leicester will need to take advantage of.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 16, 2015, 03:49:59 PM
Just to throw this in there.

If you took Vardy to get the "Golden Boot" and Leicester to win the premier league for 1 chicken wing. You would make 2.5 million chicken wings. 

I wish I had a chicken wing right now! Although I don't see Leicester winning the premier league.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 16, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
I need to look at Aguero odds now, probably decent value for most goals
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 17, 2015, 02:28:54 PM
Mourinho's gone. While I can understand why, I think it's more due to the players under-performing than anything he's done that Chelsea has been so poor this year. Pretty much the same team as last year, Costa's not firing, Hazard's not firing, Cahill is overrated and bang average at best, and Terry is past it. Costa needs to focus more on scoring goals and less on starting fights. I appreciate the competitive spirit, but not only does he hinge on dirty play but he's let it get in the way of his actual form.

Speaking of managers up for the sack, I think Van Gaal could very well be next. Even with United being in the race due to the PL being lower in quality this year than in years' past, I still would fancy City or Arsenal to go on a run way more than United. He spent a ton of money, sure, but it's clear that he isn't getting them to play well. The pieces are in place but LvG is just living on his past reputation at this point, I think a guy like Ancelotti or Guardiola would make that team play even without a proper striker. (Martial was over-hyped, did well at first and Utd fans thought he was the second coming, but is still a kid with just 2 goals in his last 17 games.)

When you think about it, LvG is a good manager based on his legacy, but there have been many better in my opinion - Fergie, Guardiola, Wenger, Ancelotti, etc. In my book, even Mourinho! One thing you can't argue with is his CL wins, but even that seems to be beyond him given he finished behind PSV and Wolfsburg. The big thing is he's lost the dressing room, the players are unhappy with him, the fans are furious with him, and the board is starting to get concerned. They may decide to not risk it waiting for Guardiola, and might try to get Ancelotti now, because I think that's their best bet. I'm not a United fan at all, and I enjoy watching them lose, but they deserve better than Van Gaal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 18, 2015, 01:03:45 PM

288 coffee beans grinds down to 200 on Schalke 04 over Hoffenheim today...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 18, 2015, 02:18:27 PM

Is Dave Brandt heading to Chelsea?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Jump4Joy on December 18, 2015, 02:25:05 PM
Good-bye, O Special One!
How many lives does he have left?
Not the last we'll see of him...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on December 18, 2015, 08:11:33 PM
Quote from: Jump4Joy on December 18, 2015, 02:25:05 PM
Good-bye, O Special One!
How many lives does he have left?
Not the last we'll see of him...

Could his next stop be Man U? I mean LVG looks to be hated  by many at Man U. I'd have to think the only way LVG gets ousted though is if he doesn't obtain champions league qualification.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on May 23, 2016, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on December 17, 2015, 02:28:54 PM
Speaking of managers up for the sack, I think Van Gaal could very well be next.

He wasn't next, and it took 158 days for it to happen, but my prediction finally came to fruition and Van Gaal was sacked. With how poorly United treated Moyes and how much leniency LvG (who, admittedly, was a better manager and has a much more illustrious CV) was given — coupled with his arrogance — I can't say I feel bad for the guy.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2016, 10:51:39 PM
Neither World Cup or European, but USA finished fourth in the COPA this evening, losing to Columbia 1-0.  Argentina (who whupped USA 4-0) will face Chile tomorrow for the title.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 27, 2016, 09:17:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2016, 10:51:39 PM
Neither World Cup or European, but USA finished fourth in the COPA this evening, losing to Columbia 1-0.  Argentina (who whupped USA 4-0) will face Chile tomorrow for the title.

Lot of discussion in the Premiere League thread. That's just where it ended up for Copa America.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
jk, thanks!  But this is back to World Cup: Lionel Messi announced his retirement from international soccer.  I'm guessing he was just overly emotional after a third finals loss in three years (2014 WC plus 2015 and 2016 Copa).  When the WC comes in 2018, I'm betting he'll be there - comments?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 27, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
jk, thanks!  But this is back to World Cup: Lionel Messi announced his retirement from international soccer.  I'm guessing he was just overly emotional after a third finals loss in three years (2014 WC plus 2015 and 2016 Copa).  When the WC comes in 2018, I'm betting he'll be there - comments?

Very likely. Especially once Adidas gets done explaining to him what his endorsement contract will be worth if he turns his back on his home country.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2016, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 27, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
jk, thanks!  But this is back to World Cup: Lionel Messi announced his retirement from international soccer.  I'm guessing he was just overly emotional after a third finals loss in three years (2014 WC plus 2015 and 2016 Copa).  When the WC comes in 2018, I'm betting he'll be there - comments?

Very likely. Especially once Adidas gets done explaining to him what his endorsement contract will be worth if he turns his back on his home country.

I've often read that he thinks his home country has turned its back on him.  He is supposedly vastly more popular in Spain than in Argentina.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 27, 2016, 08:17:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2016, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 27, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
jk, thanks!  But this is back to World Cup: Lionel Messi announced his retirement from international soccer.  I'm guessing he was just overly emotional after a third finals loss in three years (2014 WC plus 2015 and 2016 Copa).  When the WC comes in 2018, I'm betting he'll be there - comments?

Very likely. Especially once Adidas gets done explaining to him what his endorsement contract will be worth if he turns his back on his home country.



I've often read that he thinks his home country has turned its back on him.  He is supposedly vastly more popular in Spain than in Argentina.

Probably true though his tax fraud trial may change that. Still Adidas will want him at the World Cup. I think Argentina is sitting OK in qualifying so he may take a few rounds off before coming back to get ready for the World Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on June 27, 2016, 09:52:55 PM
* Joke about England going out of Europe twice in one week. *
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on August 24, 2016, 05:24:19 PM
Did anyone catch the line for Porto at Roma on Tuesday?

Must have been a boon for Porto to win and more so for Porto to advance after 1st leg 1-1 draw. I was disappointed with Roma's total lack of discipline and 2 vicious late tackles that were 2 Red Cards outright and wwere down to 9 men by the 50th minute. Fun game to watch anyway
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 15, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
These 2 Bolivia forfeits for using an ineligible player has really brought everyone besides Bolivia and Venezuela into the Commebol table. It really is wide open for qualifying with Uruguay and Brazil the only 2 teams looking safe.

Side Note----If Klinsmann cannot get a point at Costa Rica tonight he might be finished as the US would be i a serious hole. Hopefully, not only does Klinsmann go but I agree with Herculez Gomez that the real change needed is to get rid of Sunil Gulati who has made a massive mess of the whole US development system and National teams.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Domino1195 on November 15, 2016, 05:47:21 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
These 2 Bolivia forfeits for using an ineligible player has really brought everyone besides Bolivia and Venezuela into the Commebol table. It really is wide open for qualifying with Uruguay and Brazil the only 2 teams looking safe.

Side Note----If Klinsmann cannot get a point at Costa Rica tonight he might be finished as the US would be i a serious hole. Hopefully, not only does Klinsmann go but I agree with Herculez Gomez that the real change needed is to get rid of Sunil Gulati who has made a massive mess of the whole US development system and National teams.

Gulati said he does not anticipate making a change during the Hex.  Agreed about Gulati -several articles about what Icleand has done with its national soccer program - a country 1/10th our size - shows how it can be done.

We've had academies how many years now - and how many academy players are on our national team?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2016, 01:11:41 AM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 15, 2016, 05:47:21 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
These 2 Bolivia forfeits for using an ineligible player has really brought everyone besides Bolivia and Venezuela into the Commebol table. It really is wide open for qualifying with Uruguay and Brazil the only 2 teams looking safe.

Side Note----If Klinsmann cannot get a point at Costa Rica tonight he might be finished as the US would be i a serious hole. Hopefully, not only does Klinsmann go but I agree with Herculez Gomez that the real change needed is to get rid of Sunil Gulati who has made a massive mess of the whole US development system and National teams.

Gulati said he does not anticipate making a change during the Hex.  Agreed about Gulati -several articles about what Icleand has done with its national soccer program - a country 1/10th our size - shows how it can be done.

We've had academies how many years now - and how many academy players are on our national team?
Iceland is only 1/10th our size? Must have been a whole lot of babies made during their Euro run ;) It's actually more like 1/1000th (just under 320M vs just over 320k)
To the game... 0-4... ouch. The good news is 2 of what should be the 3 hardest games are behind us... the bad news is the US doesn't inspire hope for the easier games.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 16, 2016, 08:38:02 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
These 2 Bolivia forfeits for using an ineligible player has really brought everyone besides Bolivia and Venezuela into the Commebol table. It really is wide open for qualifying with Uruguay and Brazil the only 2 teams looking safe.

Side Note----If Klinsmann cannot get a point at Costa Rica tonight he might be finished as the US would be i a serious hole. Hopefully, not only does Klinsmann go but I agree with Herculez Gomez that the real change needed is to get rid of Sunil Gulati who has made a massive mess of the whole US development system and National teams.

Although USA has lost both opening games they are not in a serious hole at all. The Top 3 Automatically qualify and 4th place gets a play in game against an Asian country like a Saudi Arabi. With 24 points left out there with 8 games to play they probably need 12 points(if that) to secure probably that 4th spot.

On the other side of your comment. I think Klinsmann will be done after tonight if the US Federation gets it right. Not only did his players look to give up on him it seemed as though he gave up on the team. Why is he taking Pulisic out with 20 minutes left in the game. Gooch is not a bad player but take Jermaine Jones out, take an outside back out and move Fabian Johnson back if you still want 4 in the back. Johnson could still get forward.

We need to find guys who can replace Jones and Bradley but I think you need to start with Jones first. Jones is never in the right position. He is always out of shape and leaving Bradley to defend for himself. Who is that player though? Gooch, Bedoya, Kleijsten?

I honestly think that would be better off playing a 3-5-2 but I will call it a 5-3-2 for the USA. I honestly thought Klinsmann was on the right track with the formation change we just couldn't handle it defensively which is why I think I'd rather call it a 5-3-2.

Not sure how this attempt below will come out once this gets posted but this is a better option(don't get to caught up with the 3 center backs(these guys could be anyone in my opinion as our backs aren't that great)

                     Howard
        Brooks, Chandler, Orozco
Yedlin                                     Fabian
              Bradley  Jones
                     Pulisic
         Wood               Altidore


Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Domino1195 on November 16, 2016, 10:17:14 AM
It isn't a matter of formation or players - this is a systemic problem that US Soccer has avoided addressing since I first played in 1965. We have occassionally shown commitment to developing our national game, but we panic and revert to the Passport concept of building a team.  Klinsmann has set us back 50 years with his reliance on non US-raised players.  There is no chemistry, there is no identity and there is no passion to play for a country that you barely spent any time in as a developing player.  Hell - Gonzalez was born here and he has ZERO passion - way to bust your ass getting to the ball last night D-head.

Poor math on the Iceland population - actually makes a stronger case against what is passing as"development" in this country! Just as I ask all my son's teammates to watch the games over the next two weeks - so they can see HOW to win a college championship - and it won't be Barca pinging the ball around for 90 minutes (but I hope less criminal than UMASS Boston's approach) - I use Iceland's victory over England as THE way the US could play, as THE way we could establish a US identity - with, perhaps a bit more style and flair reflecting our strong Latin populations.  The work rate of our team last night was disgusting . . .

My poster boy for this point is Mobi Fehr.  Born to two non-US parent who were in NYC on work visas - moved to Japan when he was 6 - gets a spot on the US U-17 national team never having played a minute in the US.  Way to send a message to the millions of kids playing in the US.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/mobi-fehr
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 16, 2016, 01:33:19 PM
I totally agree Domino...+1
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on November 16, 2016, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 16, 2016, 10:17:14 AM
It isn't a matter of formation or players - this is a systemic problem that US Soccer has avoided addressing since I first played in 1965. We have occassionally shown commitment to developing our national game, but we panic and revert to the Passport concept of building a team.  Klinsmann has set us back 50 years with his reliance on non US-raised players.  There is no chemistry, there is no identity and there is no passion to play for a country that you barely spent any time in as a developing player.  Hell - Gonzalez was born here and he has ZERO passion - way to bust your ass getting to the ball last night D-head.

Poor math on the Iceland population - actually makes a stronger case against what is passing as"development" in this country! Just as I ask all my son's teammates to watch the games over the next two weeks - so they can see HOW to win a college championship - and it won't be Barca pinging the ball around for 90 minutes (but I hope less criminal than UMASS Boston's approach) - I use Iceland's victory over England as THE way the US could play, as THE way we could establish a US identity - with, perhaps a bit more style and flair reflecting our strong Latin populations.  The work rate of our team last night was disgusting . . .

My poster boy for this point is Mobi Fehr.  Born to two non-US parent who were in NYC on work visas - moved to Japan when he was 6 - gets a spot on the US U-17 national team never having played a minute in the US.  Way to send a message to the millions of kids playing in the US.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/mobi-fehr

I don't disagree with your comments that we have to develop our youth and I think the systems are sort of in place in some areas they just don't have the backing like other countries because soccer doesn't really matter here. It's just like the MLS. Its not really that well supported. Yes attendance is up per the media but those statistics are inflated as they don't count who goes to games they count how many tickets were sold for games. I'm a season ticker holder for the Union and the turnout is really not that great.

But I ask the question about Mobi Fehr, should a kid not as good as him get the spot on the team? Doesn't that set the team back? He's got citizenship so shouldn't we applaud our USA federation for acknowledging who has talent and working towards the future of our senior team. Although Fehr isn't cap tied yet he can still go play for one of the other countries by bringing him to the youth team it works him towards the USMNT. Aren't we looking to put the best 11 US citizens on the field? Not the best 11 US Citizens who played in the country since they were a little kid? With your opinion does Pulisic fall into the category that should get a shot? He started his youth career overseas and then came to the states to play then left the states. Pulisic has US and Croatian Citizenship. Or are you being selective?

Also if you are giving Gonzalez hell for not sprinting towards the guy than you need to rewind the tape about 15 seconds and see who the real culprit was that caused this goal. Yes, could Gonzalez have closed out a little better. But he was slow to get to the ball because Brooks had yet to get back into a position to defend a cross and he was trying to split the difference(watch Gonzalez look over his shoulder as he is running back to defend). Could they have both done better with their respective assignments. Yes. But they still aren't the ones who are at fault.

The USMNT gave up on Klinsmann last night just like he gave up on them. I've never seen such a poor display by any USMNT in the hustle department. Yes we have had poor results but not any that I can remember where we gave up. It's time for Klinsmann to go!!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on November 16, 2016, 03:56:16 PM
I know little about soccer, but I've noticed Mexico changes coaches at the drop of a sombrero.
The new guy seems to have them playing with passion.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Domino1195 on November 16, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on November 16, 2016, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 16, 2016, 10:17:14 AM
It isn't a matter of formation or players - this is a systemic problem that US Soccer has avoided addressing since I first played in 1965. We have occassionally shown commitment to developing our national game, but we panic and revert to the Passport concept of building a team.  Klinsmann has set us back 50 years with his reliance on non US-raised players.  There is no chemistry, there is no identity and there is no passion to play for a country that you barely spent any time in as a developing player.  Hell - Gonzalez was born here and he has ZERO passion - way to bust your ass getting to the ball last night D-head.

Poor math on the Iceland population - actually makes a stronger case against what is passing as"development" in this country! Just as I ask all my son's teammates to watch the games over the next two weeks - so they can see HOW to win a college championship - and it won't be Barca pinging the ball around for 90 minutes (but I hope less criminal than UMASS Boston's approach) - I use Iceland's victory over England as THE way the US could play, as THE way we could establish a US identity - with, perhaps a bit more style and flair reflecting our strong Latin populations.  The work rate of our team last night was disgusting . . .

My poster boy for this point is Mobi Fehr.  Born to two non-US parent who were in NYC on work visas - moved to Japan when he was 6 - gets a spot on the US U-17 national team never having played a minute in the US.  Way to send a message to the millions of kids playing in the US.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/mobi-fehr

I don't disagree with your comments that we have to develop our youth and I think the systems are sort of in place in some areas they just don't have the backing like other countries because soccer doesn't really matter here. It's just like the MLS. Its not really that well supported. Yes attendance is up per the media but those statistics are inflated as they don't count who goes to games they count how many tickets were sold for games. I'm a season ticker holder for the Union and the turnout is really not that great.

But I ask the question about Mobi Fehr, should a kid not as good as him get the spot on the team? Doesn't that set the team back? He's got citizenship so shouldn't we applaud our USA federation for acknowledging who has talent and working towards the future of our senior team. Although Fehr isn't cap tied yet he can still go play for one of the other countries by bringing him to the youth team it works him towards the USMNT. Aren't we looking to put the best 11 US citizens on the field? Not the best 11 US Citizens who played in the country since they were a little kid? With your opinion does Pulisic fall into the category that should get a shot? He started his youth career overseas and then came to the states to play then left the states. Pulisic has US and Croatian Citizenship. Or are you being selective?

Also if you are giving Gonzalez hell for not sprinting towards the guy than you need to rewind the tape about 15 seconds and see who the real culprit was that caused this goal. Yes, could Gonzalez have closed out a little better. But he was slow to get to the ball because Brooks had yet to get back into a position to defend a cross and he was trying to split the difference(watch Gonzalez look over his shoulder as he is running back to defend). Could they have both done better with their respective assignments. Yes. But they still aren't the ones who are at fault.

The USMNT gave up on Klinsmann last night just like he gave up on them. I've never seen such a poor display by any USMNT in the hustle department. Yes we have had poor results but not any that I can remember where we gave up. It's time for Klinsmann to go!!

Pulisic lived in England for one year before he was 10 years of age - all his formative playing was achieved in the US.

And I think you're missing the point about Fehr:  he isn't the exception - he is the RULE. That is how the US has built national teams since forever.  The US U-15, U-17 teams change direction with each coach - which seems to be about every two years.  A few years back - can't recall the coach - he was Colombian - the U-15 team was comprised of several Colombians - freshly emigrated - and several other nationalities - freshly emigrated.  Now this team is coached by a Dutchman.

The best 11 NEVER win - the best team does. The best chemistry does.  Only Argentina brings more players into national camp than the US - and for all their talent they still can't win major championships. Who wins? 2014 Germany with the majority of their players from their domestic league - and the bulk of them from Bayern. 2010 Spain - 8 guys from Barcelona, 5 guys from Real Madrid. 80+ games a year playing with the same guys, same system, same style.  2006 Italy - 5 guys from Milan, 5 from Juventus, 3 from Roma - entire team from Italy - playing their game:  Catenaccio - a national style.

US Soccer is a fish chasing a shiny lure.  They have postponed the hard work of establishing the definition: This is US Soccer - and have instead knee-jerked their way through decades of futility and fashion.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: firstplaceloser on November 16, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on November 15, 2016, 05:47:21 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
These 2 Bolivia forfeits for using an ineligible player has really brought everyone besides Bolivia and Venezuela into the Commebol table. It really is wide open for qualifying with Uruguay and Brazil the only 2 teams looking safe.

Side Note----If Klinsmann cannot get a point at Costa Rica tonight he might be finished as the US would be i a serious hole. Hopefully, not only does Klinsmann go but I agree with Herculez Gomez that the real change needed is to get rid of Sunil Gulati who has made a massive mess of the whole US development system and National teams.

Gulati said he does not anticipate making a change during the Hex.  Agreed about Gulati -several articles about what Icleand has done with its national soccer program - a country 1/10th our size - shows how it can be done.

We've had academies how many years now - and how many academy players are on our national team?

i want to bring this back up. it seriously angers me how bad the USMNT is. we have 8+ million people and we can't find 11 soccer players better than what he have found now. sorry but i refuse to believe that. we have the world greatest athletes in almost every sport and we still can't
produce good soccer players. come on.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 21, 2016, 03:40:28 PM
Klinsmann finally FIRED....Sunil hopefully next
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Brother Flounder on November 21, 2016, 03:57:08 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 21, 2016, 03:40:28 PM
Klinsmann finally FIRED....Sunil hopefully next

Good Point.  Who do you think the next coach will be?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 21, 2016, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 21, 2016, 03:40:28 PM
Klinsmann finally FIRED....Sunil hopefully next

I don't think Sunil Gulati is going anywhere. He holds a good amount of sway in FIFA and, now that CONCACAF is in a different state, there as well. He came through the whole Chuck Blazer fiasco without a smudge on him and both the senior teams have performed well enough with him helming the Federation that there just isn't much cause. Even Klinsmann, as little as I liked him, had the team performing to expectations on the biggest stage. So you can't fire him for failing at FIFA, you can't fire him for being in trouble with CONCACAF like most other Federations, and you can't fire him for his last coaching hires on both sides of the senior level.

There are things that aren't great. The early Olympic exit for the woman, the abject failure of the men's youth teams, the stumbles of the men's team in this qualifying cycle, and the ludicrous and highly corrupt decision to give Qatar the WC over the U.S., but none of that is enough to fire the U.S. Federation head. If the replacement men's coach falls flat, and the women fail on a big stage again, then I think Sunil could be in trouble.

But right now? I think he's very secure. The National Teams have never been, financially, in such good shape, and it is trickling down to MLS. Which isn't making money or prestige waves, but is highly sought after for expansion and fan bases. TV revenue is really the next frontier, but again, most of that is on Garber, not Gulati.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 21, 2016, 04:07:12 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 21, 2016, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 21, 2016, 03:40:28 PM
Klinsmann finally FIRED....Sunil hopefully next

I don't think Sunil Gulati is going anywhere. He holds a good amount of sway in FIFA and, now that CONCACAF is in a different state, there as well. He came through the whole Chuck Blazer fiasco without a smudge on him and both the senior teams have performed well enough with him helming the Federation that there just isn't much cause. Even Klinsmann, as little as I liked him, had the team performing to expectations on the biggest stage. So you can't fire him for failing at FIFA, you can't fire him for being in trouble with CONCACAF like most other Federations, and you can't fire him for his last coaching hires on both sides of the senior level.

There are things that aren't great. The early Olympic exit for the woman, the abject failure of the men's youth teams, the stumbles of the men's team in this qualifying cycle, and the ludicrous and highly corrupt decision to give Qatar the WC over the U.S., but none of that is enough to fire the U.S. Federation head. If the replacement men's coach falls flat, and the women fail on a big stage again, then I think Sunil could be in trouble.

But right now? I think he's very secure. The National Teams have never been, financially, in such good shape, and it is trickling down to MLS. Which isn't making money or prestige waves, but is highly sought after for expansion and fan bases. TV revenue is really the next frontier, but again, most of that is on Garber, not Gulati.

I believe jknezek is correct in his assessment, although I, too, wish Sunil would go.  If the USA or North America gets the 2026 WC, Sunil -- deserved or not -- will receive much of the political credit.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 21, 2016, 04:22:27 PM
Sunil has been there 10 years and has the Krafts backing whoich is huge...Let's see what they do for the next Head Coach because if he bring in another retread like Arena it will be a joke...I would LOVE to see like a Sampaoli or Bielsa or a real taskmaster that loves to attack....They will not spend the money though
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 22, 2016, 09:27:49 AM
Seeing Arena, Tab Ramos and Peter Vermes mentioned as head coach candidates. Out of that uninspiring slate, I'd take Arena for his experience. Ramos hasn't impressed anyone at the Olympic and U20 levels. Vermes just doesn't fire me up. Regardless, it looks like we're going to hire a bandage to get us through qualifying that will then be tough to peel off before Russia. Seems like a lost cycle to me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 22, 2016, 09:56:28 AM
And it is official the bandage is Arena...I remember players like Greg Vanney expressing disappointment way back in 2006 at how unimpressed he was with Arena and his tactics. Practice he said was a joke and Arena himself was more a motivator than a tactician. I am disappointed to say the least but was not expecting much from the federation.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 22, 2016, 10:00:23 AM
Lost cycle.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 10:05:43 AM
Even if USSF had taken its time and hired the best available coach over the next two months or so (arguably no need to rush with the next qualifier in March), I wonder whom they could have enticed.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 22, 2016, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 10:05:43 AM
Even if USSF had taken its time and hired the best available coach over the next two months or so (arguably no need to rush with the next qualifier in March), I wonder whom they could have enticed.


You are correct they could entice really no one of "name" recognition because they would be unwilling to pay them their asking price but I will still say that the US is in a big HOLE to qualify even if they do take the Top 3 an the 4th goes into a Play-off. They MUST win all of their remaining home games and try to snag a win or 2 on the road.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 22, 2016, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 10:05:43 AM
Even if USSF had taken its time and hired the best available coach over the next two months or so (arguably no need to rush with the next qualifier in March), I wonder whom they could have enticed.


You are correct they could entice really no one of "name" recognition because they would be unwilling to pay them their asking price but I will still say that the US is in a big HOLE to qualify even if they do take the Top 3 an the 4th goes into a Play-off. They MUST win all of their remaining home games and try to snag a win or 2 on the road.

Agree with you that qualification, contrary to what those wearing red, white and blue colored glasses proclaim, is not assured at this point . . .
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2016, 11:54:17 AM
Other than the options mentioned, could they possibly have looked at the college level or would they not be good enough to lead a national team?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2016, 11:54:17 AM
Other than the options mentioned, could they possibly have looked at the college level or would they not be good enough to lead a national team?

Arena, Sampson and Bradley all had D-1 college coaching experience before moving on to the professional level, but it would be unprecedented (I think) to pluck someone straight out of the college ranks.  Is there some present college coach that you think is qualified to manage the USMNT?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 22, 2016, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2016, 11:54:17 AM
Other than the options mentioned, could they possibly have looked at the college level or would they not be good enough to lead a national team?

Arena, Sampson and Bradley all had D-1 college coaching experience before moving on to the professional level, but it would be unprecedented (I think) to pluck someone straight out of the college ranks.  Is there some present college coach that you think is qualified to manage the USMNT?

In this day and age, I can't imagine anyone making that leap. It's pretty difficult for college coaches to jump to MLS, though Caleb Porter has done OK. Most of the MLS coaches are MLS assistants first, though the recent preference for recently retired players is somewhat baffling to me.

I have to admit, I was tired of Klinsi, think the team was tired of him, and he needed to go. But I don't think there were any realistic and obvious replacements. Arena seems like the only logical stop gap while I'm sure Gulati will look for a bigger name after this cycle. I do think one thing is now absolutely obvious. One cycle is it for these guys. After that the message starts to get tuned out. Arena got 2 in a row and it wasn't pretty. Bradley couldn't get 2, neither could Klinsi. So no more of these stupid, money wasting, contract extensions. Hell, even the Spanish couldn't make it work.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 22, 2016, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2016, 11:54:17 AM
Other than the options mentioned, could they possibly have looked at the college level or would they not be good enough to lead a national team?

Arena, Sampson and Bradley all had D-1 college coaching experience before moving on to the professional level, but it would be unprecedented (I think) to pluck someone straight out of the college ranks.  Is there some present college coach that you think is qualified to manage the USMNT?


God....Steve Sampson..What an absolute disaster he was(anyone remember the 1998 World Cup fiasco)...To think Costa Rica actually hired that stiff in the early 2000's...He did not last long and the results showed why...I think he finally ended up back in D1 soccer at a school in California somewhere
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 22, 2016, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2016, 11:54:17 AM
Other than the options mentioned, could they possibly have looked at the college level or would they not be good enough to lead a national team?

Arena, Sampson and Bradley all had D-1 college coaching experience before moving on to the professional level, but it would be unprecedented (I think) to pluck someone straight out of the college ranks.  Is there some present college coach that you think is qualified to manage the USMNT?

Mike Burns beaten at the post by a header from a corner?  You mean that disaster?


God....Steve Sampson..What an absolute disaster he was(anyone remember the 1998 World Cup fiasco)...To think Costa Rica actually hired that stiff in the early 2000's...He did not last long and the results showed why...I think he finally ended up back in D1 soccer at a school in California somewhere
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 23, 2016, 03:26:58 PM
Yes Burns beaten but also in 1998 the team absolutely had tunes Sampson out by the time the World Cup came around. I believe they lost to Iran of all teams and players were bickering at each other. Lalas and Balboa were way past their primes and Harkes had slept with Wynalda's wife which certainly did not help team chemistry. Just a complete meltdown
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 23, 2016, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2016, 03:26:58 PM
Yes Burns beaten but also in 1998 the team absolutely had tunes Sampson out by the time the World Cup came around. I believe they lost to Iran of all teams and players were bickering at each other. Lalas and Balboa were way past their primes and Harkes had slept with Wynalda's wife which certainly did not help team chemistry. Just a complete meltdown

+K
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: firstplaceloser on November 24, 2016, 09:37:03 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 23, 2016, 03:26:58 PM
Yes Burns beaten but also in 1998 the team absolutely had tunes Sampson out by the time the World Cup came around. I believe they lost to Iran of all teams and players were bickering at each other. Lalas and Balboa were way past their primes and Harkes had slept with Wynalda's wife which certainly did not help team chemistry. Just a complete meltdown

sounds like a college team with all that drama
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Domino1195 on November 24, 2016, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 22, 2016, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 22, 2016, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2016, 11:54:17 AM
Other than the options mentioned, could they possibly have looked at the college level or would they not be good enough to lead a national team?

Arena, Sampson and Bradley all had D-1 college coaching experience before moving on to the professional level, but it would be unprecedented (I think) to pluck someone straight out of the college ranks.  Is there some present college coach that you think is qualified to manage the USMNT?

In this day and age, I can't imagine anyone making that leap. It's pretty difficult for college coaches to jump to MLS, though Caleb Porter has done OK. Most of the MLS coaches are MLS assistants first, though the recent preference for recently retired players is somewhat baffling to me.

I have to admit, I was tired of Klinsi, think the team was tired of him, and he needed to go. But I don't think there were any realistic and obvious replacements. Arena seems like the only logical stop gap while I'm sure Gulati will look for a bigger name after this cycle. I do think one thing is now absolutely obvious. One cycle is it for these guys. After that the message starts to get tuned out. Arena got 2 in a row and it wasn't pretty. Bradley couldn't get 2, neither could Klinsi. So no more of these stupid, money wasting, contract extensions. Hell, even the Spanish couldn't make it work.

Porter would have been the great choice - understands the US game and player - and looking at the players he recruited to Akron - he reads talent well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 13, 2017, 12:04:02 PM
I'm a fan but not knowledgeable.
Any comments on the current status on the team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 13, 2017, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 13, 2017, 12:04:02 PM
I'm a fan but not knowledgeable.
Any comments on the current status on the team.

Looking better. They seem to be reacting better to Arena. The comments from players seem to indicate he is trying to provide more traditional roles and ties to U.S. historical strengths. I don't think the talent level has dramatically changed. Don't get me wrong, Pulisic is on track to be one of the best American players, but it is still early. And he is replacing one of the best American players in Landon Donovan. Dempsey is still working hard but aging, Altidore is a serviceable target forward and should have more impact now that we have a coach that is willing to let him play that role. The midfield has more creativity, but it seems like a bit less hustle.

American players are generally known for making up with their lack of tactical skill with great athleticism and desire. The current crop seems to have a bit more tactical skill, for example Nagbe, but less of someone like Zusi's dogged determinism to play both ends of the field.

Bradley is once again being played in the proper role, and you have to respect his beautiful goal against Mexico. But overall the defense seems somewhat in flux. I admire DeMarcus Beasley. I flat out love the heart the guy has always played with and was thrilled to see him in person in Chattanooga in January. But if he is needed as an outside back still, something is not right in the defense. We seem to have no end of towering, serviceable center backs, but outside backs are proving elusive.

Overall, there is no excuse for us not qualifying for Russia. With Panama and Costa Rica at home to go, and Honduras and T&T on the road, there is no reason we shouldn't pick up at least 7 to 9 more points. Since we have 8 right now, 15 to 17 points should be just enough for us to go through as the 2/3 qualifier in CONCACAF and avoid the two-leg fourth spot playoff.

15 points put Honduras through in 2014, Costa Rica finished second with 18, and we topped qualifying with 22. Mexico had 11 to make the home and home playoff.

Are we a better team than 2014 or 2010? It doesn't seem like it. We seem to have stalled out a bit after a long slow climb to the level we reached in 2010. We just don't have that quality that is needed to jump to the next level, clearly inside the top 20 teams in the world. I think we are pretty fairly inside the top 30, roughly, but we just lack the athletes, tactics, and individual talent across the field to push higher.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on June 13, 2017, 06:38:17 PM
Thanks.   Plus k
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 13, 2017, 09:11:28 PM
I'm expecting Costa Rica to handle T&T tonight which would put them solidly in the top 3 with Mexico in my mind.
Then there's Panama where maybe there'll be a goal at some point. If they beat Honduras that will put them 1 point ahead of the US for 3rd and pretty much take Honduras and T&T out of the picture.
I think the key game for how everything shakes out may be the penultimate game between Panama and US in Orlando. Could be Panama on 12 and US on 11 going into that and with the final opponents, I think a draw could be enough for the US to squeak through.
Really don't want to finish 4th because right now the possible opponents look like (South Korea/Uzbekistan) or (Japan, Saudi Arabia, Australia) and any of those would be tough.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 13, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
Well ignore what I said. Panama with a needless foul when Honduras was just kicking it to the other end of the field. That leads to Honduras with a great free kick with an even better save but Honduras just keeps it in play and puts it in the goal only minutes into the game.

Edit: That was a more entertaining game than I was expecting... in 5 Panama games there had been a total of 4 goals... this game had 4 goals. I feel much better about the US after that 2-2 draw.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Clotpoll on June 25, 2017, 09:06:44 AM
Don't feel better. Barely 25% possession against a cobbled-together Mexico side (seven regulars out) that had one eye on the Confed Cup. We went up 1-0, then Mexico got on their front foot and bossed the rest of the match.

We had no chance for meaningful possession because Guzan's feet are awful, as are his distribution and decision making. Pulisic isn't a player suited to chasing down 70 yard goal kicks for knockdowns and second balls. The couple of times in the 2nd half that balls were actually played to his feet, he looked a threat.

If you're going to concede possession, your defending had better be Mourinho-quality. Unfortunately, we parked a couple of Mini-Coopers in front of goal instead of a Greyhound bus. Our back four was the usual mess, with our 6/8 routinely caught too far forward to properly shield the back line. Two goals conceded in a bunkering situation is unacceptable at any level.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on July 08, 2017, 11:26:01 PM
Quote from: Clotpoll on June 25, 2017, 09:06:44 AM
Don't feel better. Barely 25% possession against a cobbled-together Mexico side (seven regulars out) that had one eye on the Confed Cup. We went up 1-0, then Mexico got on their front foot and bossed the rest of the match.

We had no chance for meaningful possession because Guzan's feet are awful, as are his distribution and decision making. Pulisic isn't a player suited to chasing down 70 yard goal kicks for knockdowns and second balls. The couple of times in the 2nd half that balls were actually played to his feet, he looked a threat.

If you're going to concede possession, your defending had better be Mourinho-quality. Unfortunately, we parked a couple of Mini-Coopers in front of goal instead of a Greyhound bus. Our back four was the usual mess, with our 6/8 routinely caught too far forward to properly shield the back line. Two goals conceded in a bunkering situation is unacceptable at any level.

I know that I am late responding, but I just read this and it is so off base that I have to respond.  First, Guzan is excellent with his feet, he is able to consistently able to find targets, with both feet.  Tim Howard may be good at throwing the ball, but using his feet is not his strong suit.  If you want proof, go to a USMNT game or training and watch the GKs warmup kicking balls.  Guzan consistently plays it right to his target, Howard sprays them all over with a poor Asst Coach chasing his kicks all over the field.

Second, Mexico has exactly 1 shot on Goal, at Azteca.  How is this bossing the game?  They had some half chances, but could not find the target.  They had possession without threat.  US had 7 shots, Mexico 10.  Considering that the US scored early (game states), and was content with a Draw at Azteca, that is a fairly even.  I think the US had a great game plan, executed it, and got the result.

It's not like the 0-0 draw in 2013 at Azteca in the Klinsi era where the US was outshot 19-1 and Guzan stood on his head with a great game, and the US rode its luck.  Then your description of "bossing the game" but being unlucky would have been accurate.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Clotpoll on July 09, 2017, 08:49:58 AM
JK and Arena get the same result, but JK takes the heat & Arena gets the praise. 25% possession against a weakened Mexico 11 isn't a 'great game plan'. Honestly, I couldn't detect evidence of a plan after MB scored.

I'd take Germany's 8th choice GK over Guzan. Comparing his feet to Howard's is damnation with faint praise. Howard is a scud missile launcher. To be fair, somebody must've told Guzan before last night's game to put the ball on the ground. When he does that, he becomes an asset.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on July 09, 2017, 10:56:12 PM
Results were not the same, I watched both games.  With JK we got lucky, outshot 19-1.  This year Mexico had 1 shot on goal (the one they scored).  So we will just have to disagree.

I talked about Brads ability with his feet to respond to you.  It is good.  I like his shot stopping ability and organization too.  I have liked Howard too, his Belgium game might have been the best single game performance by a keeper ever.  But that was 3 years ago, I think Howard and Guzan are 1a and 1b.  Don't focus on the past, watch Howard now for the Rapids and the USMNT compared to Guzan for ATL and USMNT.  I think Guzan will outplay Howard going forward.  We will see.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 10, 2017, 09:02:47 AM
Guzan was one of our few bright spots for the "B" Gold Cup squad in the Panama draw. That was a really bad effort for the U.S. They looked very disjointed and the goal Panama scored came while they were applying tremendous pressure and the U.S. could not figure out how to relieve it or even how to keep possession. The goal itself was an embarrassing defensive breakdown.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on July 10, 2017, 09:50:29 AM
Agreed, the game against Panama was disjointed and tough to watch.  I had higher hopes after the Ghana friendly, but Acosta and McCarty struggled in the middle and Corona disappeared at the 10.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Clotpoll on July 10, 2017, 10:00:57 AM
Quote from: Goldenrj on July 09, 2017, 10:56:12 PM
Results were not the same, I watched both games.  With JK we got lucky, outshot 19-1.  This year Mexico had 1 shot on goal (the one they scored).  So we will just have to disagree.

I talked about Brads ability with his feet to respond to you.  It is good.  I like his shot stopping ability and organization too.  I have liked Howard too, his Belgium game might have been the best single game performance by a keeper ever.  But that was 3 years ago, I think Howard and Guzan are 1a and 1b.  Don't focus on the past, watch Howard now for the Rapids and the USMNT compared to Guzan for ATL and USMNT.  I think Guzan will outplay Howard going forward.  We will see.

So there are different types of draw? Last I checked, all draws are one point. Understandable, though, that Arena fans have to latch on to whatever they can to offer a defense for his horrific management. In response to the parsing of match facts offered in Arena's defense, all I can say (again) is that Mexico were missing SEVEN regulars and had one foot out the door to the Confed Cup. If there were ever a time to steal three points at Azteca, that was it. Instead, the real wonder is what the result would've been had Mexico played just Tecatito.

GKs who are good with their feet are players like Neuer, Ter Stegen, Trapp, Lloris, Bravo, Casillas, Ochoa, Buffon. They are also vastly superior in every other skill the position demands. There are also a handful of 18-20 year old completely unheralded US keepers who can play rings around Guzan. I'd be happier to see a guy like Kevin Silva (now at UCLA)- who has tons of youth NT experience- pulled up to the men's team and given a chance. He's proactive, positive, a good leader and a player unafraid to put it on the ground and get involved in the buildup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on July 10, 2017, 10:08:58 AM
This was a WQ qualifier, Mexico played their strongest available team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gotberg on July 10, 2017, 12:18:43 PM
I'm not really sure where this belongs, but just noting that Carthage rising junior left school and signed a 1 year professional contract with QPR's under-23's.

https://www.qpr.co.uk/squads/under-23s/giles-phillips/

I believe he even played in a friendly with the first team this past weekend against Reading.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Clotpoll on July 10, 2017, 12:32:56 PM
Quote from: Goldenrj on July 10, 2017, 10:08:58 AM
This was a WQ qualifier, Mexico played their strongest available team.

Emphasis on 'available'. No Tecatito, no Peralta, no Damm...just for starters.

Mexico's strongest 11 blow us off the field in any venue. And Mexico is far from being a great NT.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on July 10, 2017, 02:14:48 PM
I predict this "weak" U.S. team will qualify for the World Cup and advance AT LEAST as far as Mexico and their vaunted strongest 11.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on July 10, 2017, 02:18:02 PM
Just agree to disagree here.  We can only play the strongest players they put on the field for a WQ qualifier.  They did not blow us off the field in Columbus or in Azteca.

Results matter.  In competitive games we have a better record against Mexico since 2000, including the most important result of all, 2-0 in 2002 World Cup. Mexico would not have even qualified for the last WC if we didn't beat Panama in the last minute to send them into the 4th place play-in game, while we were winning the Hex.   

The quality of teams go in cycles, we dominate Mexico (I believe we were unbeaten in something like 11 straight games against them at one point in the 2000's) and they dominate us.  2 even rivals both trying to improve against the truly big teams.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 10, 2017, 03:42:13 PM
Quote from: Clotpoll on July 10, 2017, 12:32:56 PM
Quote from: Goldenrj on July 10, 2017, 10:08:58 AM
This was a WQ qualifier, Mexico played their strongest available team.

Emphasis on 'available'. No Tecatito, no Peralta, no Damm...just for starters.

Mexico's strongest 11 blow us off the field in any venue. And Mexico is far from being a great NT.

Mexico hasn't blown us off a field in more than a decade. They've won, they've possessed the ball, but blown us off a field? You are mistaking their technical ability for being better. They are fragile psychologically, poor against fast and physical teams, and don't play well away from home. Are they better than the U.S.? Right now they are. That hasn't always been the case recently and blowing us off the field hasn't been in the cards for them for quite a while.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Clotpoll on July 13, 2017, 09:57:09 AM
Where's the 'results matter' crew today, after we got punked & nearly beaten by an amateur side that isn't recognized by FIFA?

This would be a good time for the 'Jurgen Out' crowd to try out a new batch of excuses...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 13, 2017, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: Clotpoll on July 13, 2017, 09:57:09 AM
Where's the 'results matter' crew today, after we got punked & nearly beaten by an amateur side that isn't recognized by FIFA?

This would be a good time for the 'Jurgen Out' crowd to try out a new batch of excuses...

There is no excuse. We were terrible last night. We missed a multitude of open chances, defended poorly, and simply looked like a disjointed mess. The only thing you can say is that was clearly a "C" team. On the other hand, a U.S. "C" team should do much better against Martinique than they did last night. A very, very poor performance. 3 points and leading the group despite 2 very subpar performances is what it is for a CONCACAF Gold Cup. A tournament we appear to not be taking even remotely seriously or competently.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Clotpoll on July 13, 2017, 05:27:00 PM
'C' team. That's a good one. But let's just call it the MLS team (which it mostly is).

If these are the best players in MLS, I can see why they're falsifying attendance figures and the TV ratings are lower than dog shows.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on July 13, 2017, 08:22:10 PM
Clotpoll, last night was a very poor win.  Results do matter, but we shouldn't have to eke out a result against Martinique, experimental team or not.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Clotpoll on July 14, 2017, 09:58:11 AM
Agreed, 100%. A complete embarrassment.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on July 14, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
Assuming that the USMNT qualifies for the WC in 2018, Arena is trying to find the players to round out his 23-man roster.  In the case of this edition of the "experimental" Gold Cup team, weeding players out -- i.e., eliminating them from consideration -- may be the best he can hope for.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 14, 2017, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on July 14, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
Assuming that the USMNT qualifies for the WC in 2018, Arena is trying to find the players to round out his 23-man roster.  In the case of this edition of the "experimental" Gold Cup team, weeding players out -- i.e., eliminating them from consideration -- may be the best he can hope for.

I understand this, but here's the thing. This is our Federation championship. We shouldn't be sending weakened teams to this event, especially since it is held here in the States. It drives me nuts. I wish we only did this once every 4 years like the other Federations. We might actually take it seriously then. But all those Caribbean nations need the money it brings to just field teams. So we have to play it twice and we send embarrassing teams like what we fielded the other night. They might be wearing the shirt and getting the caps, but does anyone really consider that our National Team?  The team I saw at the end of the January camp, playing an exhibition against Jamaica in Chattanooga, was a better team than what we slapped on the field in our Federation tournament. That's sad.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Clotpoll on July 14, 2017, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: jknezek on July 14, 2017, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on July 14, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
Assuming that the USMNT qualifies for the WC in 2018, Arena is trying to find the players to round out his 23-man roster.  In the case of this edition of the "experimental" Gold Cup team, weeding players out -- i.e., eliminating them from consideration -- may be the best he can hope for.

I understand this, but here's the thing. This is our Federation championship. We shouldn't be sending weakened teams to this event, especially since it is held here in the States. It drives me nuts. I wish we only did this once every 4 years like the other Federations. We might actually take it seriously then. But all those Caribbean nations need the money it brings to just field teams. So we have to play it twice and we send embarrassing teams like what we fielded the other night. They might be wearing the shirt and getting the caps, but does anyone really consider that our National Team?  The team I saw at the end of the January camp, playing an exhibition against Jamaica in Chattanooga, was a better team than what we slapped on the field in our Federation tournament. That's sad.

And some people don't think Chuck Blazer really harmed US Soccer...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on July 14, 2017, 10:17:13 PM
Quote from: Clotpoll on July 14, 2017, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: jknezek on July 14, 2017, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on July 14, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
Assuming that the USMNT qualifies for the WC in 2018, Arena is trying to find the players to round out his 23-man roster.  In the case of this edition of the "experimental" Gold Cup team, weeding players out -- i.e., eliminating them from consideration -- may be the best he can hope for.

I understand this, but here's the thing. This is our Federation championship. We shouldn't be sending weakened teams to this event, especially since it is held here in the States. It drives me nuts. I wish we only did this once every 4 years like the other Federations. We might actually take it seriously then. But all those Caribbean nations need the money it brings to just field teams. So we have to play it twice and we send embarrassing teams like what we fielded the other night. They might be wearing the shirt and getting the caps, but does anyone really consider that our National Team?  The team I saw at the end of the January camp, playing an exhibition against Jamaica in Chattanooga, was a better team than what we slapped on the field in our Federation tournament. That's sad.

And some people don't Chuck Blazer really harmed US Soccer...
Chuck Blazer hurt US Soccer, and all of soccer, by lining his pockets and those of his cronies at the expense of our players and infrastructure.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 17, 2017, 04:13:53 PM
Well the U.S. won the group. They looked better in the last game. Reinforcements called in. Some players left I was surprised about, but 3 of those sent home had either asked or known since before the camp that they were only playing in the group stage. Dwyer seems odd, but if you are bringing in Jozy and Clint, and intend to play them, you might as well release him. He played well, but not well enough to really break into the main team.

And we're off to the elimination games. So hard to be interested in this faux team and faux tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 20, 2017, 09:37:16 AM
Uggh. The defense. I don't see what Arena sees in Morrow and Hedges. I just don't get it. Lichaj looked lost at times defensively, though better going forward. Frankly the whole back line beside Gonzalez looked like they'd never played defense before, and even Gonzalez seemed to have trouble communicating with the rest of the line making him indecisive.

I thought Arriola was OK last night. Better than Zardes who seems to have bricks where his feet are supposed to be. I liked Nagbe and Bradley together. That seemed like one of the few things that worked.

The refs were pathetic. Zardes was onside, though having goals called back for that hardly seems like an oddity these days. El Salvador should have been playing with 8 by the end of the game. Ridiculously dirty and the Canadian ref was much too timid about throwing cards until midway through the second half.

Regardless, the Americans need to get some practice in how to play as a team. That way they aren't screwing up simple passes and positioning because they don't know where each other are going to be or want each other to be. There was some seriously sad teamwork last night.

On the upside, through to the next round. We've scored 9 goals and let in 3, none in the last 2 games. Pretty sure a lot of that goal differential is opponent incompetence, but the ratio stands. Win the group, check, win the trap game, check, win the two games against quality opponents? We will see.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 23, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
Well there you go. The best game they've played in the tournament so far. Did Costa Rica squander some chances? Absolutely, but we squandered a few as well, including Morris in the first 30 seconds. Scoring that fast would have changed the game. Regardless, the team made the finals, as we should in the Gold Cup. We also have won our last 3 games 7-0 combined, which is interesting considering how ragged the defense has been. Last night was much better. Gonzalez and Besler at least look like they can work together, and Bradley marshalling in front of them definitely helps.

It's still not a very good US team, but they are winning and that is what matters. I assume we'll face Mexico in the finals, though their C team hasn't really been much prettier than ours. But Jamaica is capable of pulling an upset as well. There speed is always dangerous on a counter. Hopefully the US will finish the tournament strong. For all our complaining, there isn't much more we can ask than that. Being pretty isn't as important as winning at that the ultimate levels.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 24, 2017, 09:34:49 AM
Well... that was not how I expected a Jamaica upset could occur. Didn't think they'd get it off a free kick that the Mexico goal completely choked setting himself. Figured if Jamaica did win, they'd catch a counter. The U.S., as it failed to do 2 years ago, will have to be very careful of Jamaica's speed.

Still, here we see the peril of sending a B or C team to an international tournament, even one as lightly contested as the Gold Cup. Mexico has failed to reach the finals 2 of the last 3 tournaments and, of course, the U.S. failed in 2015. It also shows the stupidity of holding the Gold Cup every 2 years, though that will probably improve if this was the last edition of the Confederations Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on July 24, 2017, 02:14:10 PM
Much better performance against Costa Rica, the best team we have faced in the tournament so far.  CR barely created any chances, except for Ruiz making a couple of runs.  We were in control and Duece came on and filled the Pulisic-sized hole underneath the strikers.

Side note, Timmy Howard has barely been tested, but the few saves he has made were big ones.  I was the one touting Guzan earlier in this thread, and he had a great start with Atlanta this weekend, but Timmy is still the man.  Apparently if Buffon can go past 40, Timmy can pull off 38.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 03, 2017, 09:02:54 AM
Little late updating this one, but the U.S. did win the Gold Cup. Well done. It wasn't the prettiest, but what matters is we won. Morris got his goal in a key spot, hopefully that will jumpstart his slow year in MLS. I didn't see too many guys I think will make the leap up to the A team. Maybe Accosta, Morris will probably be back with the group, Gonzalez and Besler did well enough to be back in consideration. Villafana might get a look as we are criminally short at outside back. Mostly though, I don't think there will be a lot of movement and there certainly wasn't a break out star. Dwyer was probably closest, but I still don't think he overtakes our current forward options.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 28, 2017, 08:19:41 AM
Wonder if Liverpool's 4-0 spanking of Arsenal will convince Coutinho to stay. Will the Reds cave if Barça offer £150m?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on August 28, 2017, 12:17:16 PM
I'm a Liverpool fan.  Obviously Coutinho remains attracted to Barca because they are a top 4 club in the world and they are the dream club for aspiring South American players.  That said, Liverpool don't want to intentionally weaken their attacking talent unless they are confident they have a suitable replacement lined up with just a few days to go in the transfer window.

If they don't have a suitable replacement, I think they'll walk away from the big money and keep Coutinho and then do a deal with Barca a year from now.  You may have seen this, but they have just signed Naby Keita for next year.  He WOULD be a suitable replacement.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on September 01, 2017, 06:22:02 PM
Big game tonight.  Any comments?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on September 01, 2017, 07:30:02 PM
3 points or the USA is playing for third... Should be able to win. Riding a high right now and CR always struggles in the U.S.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on September 01, 2017, 08:56:47 PM
Or not. Uggh. All that useless and aimless possession. Well, playing for third to avoid the playoff games to make the World Cup. Not really a good effort from the U.S.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Golden_Fan on September 01, 2017, 09:27:47 PM
Only one who played well the entire game was Nagbe
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2017, 02:30:02 AM
Honduras has the toughest schedule of the three as they still have to play vs US, @ Costa Rica, and vs Mexico.
US is @ Honduras, vs Panama, @ T&T
Panama has vs T&T, @ US, vs Costa Rica
The big issue will be what kind of lineups will Mexico and Costa Rica send in their final game if (Costa Rica)/when (Mexico) they've locked up spots.


As to the potential of the playoff... the AFC has 1 gameday left in this stage on Tuesday.
Group A will be S Korea (14 points), Syria (12), or Uzbekistan (12) with 1 qualifying and 1 in a playoff... Uzbekistan hosts S Korea while Syria heads to group leader Iran (who have yet to concede a goal in this round)
Group B sees Saudi Arabia (16 points), Australia (16), and UAE (13) in the same positions as group A. Saudi Arabia hosts group leader Japan, Australia hosts last place Thailand, while UAE (who is technically still alive but have very little chance of moving up) are at Iraq.

My prediction is S Korea and Australia qualify while Uzbekistan and Saudi Arabia face each other with the winner facing the CONCACAF 4th.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on September 02, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
That was an absolutely ugly performance by the US. They are in trouble. Bruce Arena is a master motivator so I was surprised by the effort last night. While Arena is a great motivator he is not the best tactician. He gets outclassed tactically quite a bit at that level. That was one of the reasons he was let go in the first place.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: deutschfan on September 02, 2017, 12:15:20 PM
So who do you start up top--Wood, Altidore, Dempsey, Morris, and or someone else? Back line was a shambles.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on September 02, 2017, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: deutschfan on September 02, 2017, 12:15:20 PM
So who do you start up top--Wood, Altidore, Dempsey, Morris, and or someone else? Back line was a shambles.

Not a fan of Altidore. Dempsey and Bradley I feel are past their prime. I like Wood up top with Pulisic right behind him with freedom to take players on. I usually like Cameron but he had a rough game along with Wood but they will bounce back fine. I do not understand what they see in Bedoya. He was a great player at Boston College but is in over his head at this level
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: deutschfan on September 02, 2017, 01:23:39 PM
Wood and Pulisic are future of American soccer. Both products of German engineering.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 06, 2017, 07:27:06 PM
Almost game time. So big for Panama that the president of the country is in Orlando for the game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on October 06, 2017, 07:32:31 PM
I know our National Anthem is hard to sing, but every foreign team can't sing a lick. :)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 06, 2017, 07:58:10 PM
Pulisic looking fantastic out there. 2-0 lead just 20 minutes in. Defense has looked a bit shaky though
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on October 08, 2017, 11:17:55 PM
The game against Panama is the one that I have been waiting to see.  Scoring 4 goals against a team that had only given up 5 in all the previous Hex games COMBINED, is fantastic.  Let's see that dynamic attacking play more often please.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 09, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Goldenrj on October 08, 2017, 11:17:55 PM
The game against Panama is the one that I have been waiting to see.  Scoring 4 goals against a team that had only given up 5 in all the previous Hex games COMBINED, is fantastic.  Let's see that dynamic attacking play more often please.

We'd all like to see that dynamic attacking play every game, but it is not that easy.  First, at this stage, the result is the most important thing, so Arena is going to set up the team to best achieve the result (e.g., they only need a tie Tuesday to qualify, which probably means they will be more defensive).  Second, much depends on how the opponent sets up.  As Twellman correctly observed, Panama naively set up with two forwards, which allowed the U.S. to get at their back line.  T&T presents different challenges with their size and athleticism, which will surely result in different U.S. tactics on Tuesday.  The U.S. is not yet good enough to impose their will on every opponent.  Hopefully that will come sooner rather than later if the U.S. can consistently be dangerous in the final third.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 09, 2017, 01:33:41 PM
Have you seen the stadium in T&T where they're supposed to play? There's a moat around the field because of all the rain they've had. US team is practicing behind the goals so they don't tear the field up.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on October 09, 2017, 05:23:42 PM
I saw that, they had the staff carry the players across piggy-back style so they wouldn't ruin the tape jobs on their ankles by getting them soaked.  :-)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on October 09, 2017, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 09, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Goldenrj on October 08, 2017, 11:17:55 PM
The game against Panama is the one that I have been waiting to see.  Scoring 4 goals against a team that had only given up 5 in all the previous Hex games COMBINED, is fantastic.  Let's see that dynamic attacking play more often please.

We'd all like to see that dynamic attacking play every game, but it is not that easy.  First, at this stage, the result is the most important thing, so Arena is going to set up the team to best achieve the result (e.g., they only need a tie Tuesday to qualify, which probably means they will be more defensive).  Second, much depends on how the opponent sets up.  As Twellman correctly observed, Panama naively set up with two forwards, which allowed the U.S. to get at their back line.  T&T presents different challenges with their size and athleticism, which will surely result in different U.S. tactics on Tuesday.  The U.S. is not yet good enough to impose their will on every opponent.  Hopefully that will come sooner rather than later if the U.S. can consistently be dangerous in the final third.

Wait, so you are saying that we have to utilize different tactical approaches against different teams depending on the result we are trying to achieve? *sarcasm alert

I get that playing a wide-diamond with Bradley holding solo means that we will get run over in the midfield against stronger opponents.  I was just stating that against the supposedly weaker CONCACAF opponents that we face, I would like to see us take some risks, play on the front foot, and take the game to them.  Analysis aside, as a fan, it was a joy to watch.  I was watching in a group with some die-hard soccer fans who would have taken any result against Panama in that situation.  We also had a few that were "tell me when there is a World Cup or Olympics" soccer fans, and even they got into the exciting fast pace of the game.  I'm greedy, I want more of that!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 10, 2017, 09:57:56 AM
It really was an end to end game. Could have easily have been 7 or 8 to 2 or 3 as 4-0. The Panamanian coach really screwed up. He set his team up wrong, tried to fix it in the 20th, but just couldn't. I don't know if he thought we would crumble if they could get out to a fast start or what, but it backfired horribly. And it's a shame, because that is a good team for Panama and I hope they pull the 4th spot. I like them much better than Honduras, who has always been more brutal and direct and very little fun to watch with almost no hope of earning points at a World Cup.

Anyway, the pitch at TnT looks awful. Really hoping we can get a quick start and then run out the clock for the win, because I think by the end of 90 minutes that's just going to be a mud hole where kick and run is the only option.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 10, 2017, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 10, 2017, 09:57:56 AM
It really was an end to end game. Could have easily have been 7 or 8 to 2 or 3 as 4-0. The Panamanian coach really screwed up. He set his team up wrong, tried to fix it in the 20th, but just couldn't. I don't know if he thought we would crumble if they could get out to a fast start or what, but it backfired horribly. And it's a shame, because that is a good team for Panama and I hope they pull the 4th spot. I like them much better than Honduras, who has always been more brutal and direct and very little fun to watch with almost no hope of earning points at a World Cup.

Anyway, the pitch at TnT looks awful. Really hoping we can get a quick start and then run out the clock for the win, because I think by the end of 90 minutes that's just going to be a mud hole where kick and run is the only option.

+1k to Goldenrj for the sarcasm alert!

I agree jk that, with that pitch in T&T, it could be disastrous for the U.S. to fall behind.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 10, 2017, 08:38:41 PM
How pathetic is this?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 10, 2017, 09:43:01 PM
What? CONCACAF compared to COMMEBOL...Agreed...Oh the game?  It's Bruce Arena...He is tactically outmatched at this level
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 10, 2017, 10:06:33 PM
Ok was not expecting that but finally US Soccer can get rid of the highly overrated Sunil Gulati. Doesn't have a clue
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on October 10, 2017, 10:18:43 PM
Clean house.

  You have four years to do so. >:(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: bestfancle on October 10, 2017, 10:22:47 PM
Bruce Arena is absolute trash. Most people with any soccer knowledge thought he was a terrible hire. Too bad that the consequences are even worse than ever expected.

A lot of career ends for some USA greats. Not even bittersweet, this team played with no heart. Pulisic gets a pass. Most of the other guys don't. Nightmare.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Little Giant 89 on October 10, 2017, 10:36:31 PM
Lose to TnT and out of the World Cup. 

At the risk of a massive over reaction in a moment of shock and despair.  This is clearly not working, blow it up! 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on October 10, 2017, 11:19:25 PM
The effort was a disgrace. Scrap everyone 30 and over and start again.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2017, 11:32:14 PM
Was bowling tonight so I couldn't watch any of the games but was keeping an eye on the scores. Even at halftime it looked like the US would back their way in with both Panama and Honduras behind.

Maybe we should have sent the USWNT. Still paid less yet they actually win. We've got a while until the 2019 Gold Cup... lots of time to get rid of everyone and start completely fresh. Also, change MLS to a proper pyramid like every other country.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 09:26:39 AM
We aren't going to get a pyramid. These teams are sucking up massive franchise fees and all that goes away if there is rel/pro. That's just a simple fact.

The problem is the U.S. team has always punched above it's weight. They were scrappy and intense because the national team was the best way to get noticed, and getting noticed meant getting a contract in Europe. Now that MLS will splash out stupid money on American names to fill the stands, they don't have to get noticed that way to make a living. So they've gotten complacent as the "stars" have returned to be big fish in a small pond instead of trying to grow into bigger fish in a bigger pond.

I've got nothing against MLS. I enjoy watching it, I've been a Red Bulls fan since the inaugural year of MLS and the empty Giant Stadium Metrostars. MLS has been good for the game in the U.S., and the development academies will continue to improve American soccer. But we are stuck in a rut right now, where MLS is willing to overpay for American "stars" and it's not good for the National Team. As MLS continues to improve as a league, that won't be as big a deal. But somehow we need to convince our players that a fat contract in MLS that assures them starting time and easy competition won't help them grow as players.

It was one of the few things Klinsmann was still right about at the end.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 11, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 09:26:39 AM
We aren't going to get a pyramid. These teams are sucking up massive franchise fees and all that goes away if there is rel/pro. That's just a simple fact.

The problem is the U.S. team has always punched above it's weight. They were scrappy and intense because the national team was the best way to get noticed, and getting noticed meant getting a contract in Europe. Now that MLS will splash out stupid money on American names to fill the stands, they don't have to get noticed that way to make a living. So they've gotten complacent as the "stars" have returned to be big fish in a small pond instead of trying to grow into bigger fish in a bigger pond.

I've got nothing against MLS. I enjoy watching it, I've been a Red Bulls fan since the inaugural year of MLS and the empty Giant Stadium Metrostars. MLS has been good for the game in the U.S., and the development academies will continue to improve American soccer. But we are stuck in a rut right now, where MLS is willing to overpay for American "stars" and it's not good for the National Team. As MLS continues to improve as a league, that won't be as big a deal. But somehow we need to convince our players that a fat contract in MLS that assures them starting time and easy competition won't help them grow as players.

It was one of the few things Klinsmann was still right about at the end.

Actually, Klinsmann was probably correct about a lot of things . . .  That being said, the team had stopped playing for him, so it was the right move to let him go.  I hope the changes start at the top.  Important election coming soon.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 11, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 09:26:39 AM
We aren't going to get a pyramid. These teams are sucking up massive franchise fees and all that goes away if there is rel/pro. That's just a simple fact.

The problem is the U.S. team has always punched above it's weight. They were scrappy and intense because the national team was the best way to get noticed, and getting noticed meant getting a contract in Europe. Now that MLS will splash out stupid money on American names to fill the stands, they don't have to get noticed that way to make a living. So they've gotten complacent as the "stars" have returned to be big fish in a small pond instead of trying to grow into bigger fish in a bigger pond.

I've got nothing against MLS. I enjoy watching it, I've been a Red Bulls fan since the inaugural year of MLS and the empty Giant Stadium Metrostars. MLS has been good for the game in the U.S., and the development academies will continue to improve American soccer. But we are stuck in a rut right now, where MLS is willing to overpay for American "stars" and it's not good for the National Team. As MLS continues to improve as a league, that won't be as big a deal. But somehow we need to convince our players that a fat contract in MLS that assures them starting time and easy competition won't help them grow as players.

It was one of the few things Klinsmann was still right about at the end.

Actually, Klinsmann was probably correct about a lot of things . . .  That being said, the team had stopped playing for him, so it was the right move to let him go.  I hope the changes start at the top.  Important election coming soon.

100% agree. As for the election, I have a hard time caring. It's an unpaid position and that's a problem. Gulati seems to have served with integrity, which is rare in international soccer. Results have been OK. Hiring JK was exactly what he was supposed to do. Giving him an extension was probably a mistake. Pretty much no coach survives a second cycle at that level because teams tune out. The youth coaches have had some problems, but that seems better now.

I'm not sure a new face in that role will do much better. If it's simply time for Gulati to go, that's fine. But it's hard to imagine anyone can really shake up US Soccer from that role. With MLS pulling one way, youth pulling another, the men's and women's teams pulling different directions, the marketing arm moving a third, and the secondary leagues mostly barely scraping by, it's not so much about the person in that role making massive changes as it is the person in that role not being a corrupt fool since no one is paying them to put up with the hassle.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: deutschfan on October 11, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
Speaking of new blood-- I am tired of recycled, out of shape coaches like Sigi Schmidt, Bruce Arena, Steve Sampson coming in and out of the USMNT.  Sigi hasn't turned the Galaxy around and Sampson has had unimpressive results at Cal Poly.  You watch the coaching at the Academy level and most of the time the staffs look disinterested conveying a too cool for school attitude.  I am going out of the box on this one.  My vote for the new coach of the USMNT is Justin Serpone.  You can love him or hate him but he gets every ounce out of the players he has and winning is his number 1 priority.  I would have Scott Wiercinski as his Assistant, another coach with real passion. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: deutschfan on October 11, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
Speaking of new blood-- I am tired of recycled, out of shape coaches like Sigi Schmidt, Bruce Arena, Steve Sampson coming in and out of the USMNT.  Sigi hasn't turned the Galaxy around and Sampson has had unimpressive results at Cal Poly.  You watch the coaching at the Academy level and most of the time the staffs look disinterested conveying a too cool for school attitude.  I am going out of the box on this one.  My vote for the new coach of the USMNT is Justin Serpone.  You can love him or hate him but he gets every ounce out of the players he has and winning is his number 1 priority.  I would have Scott Wiercinski as his Assistant, another coach with real passion.

Hell will freeze over first. Nor do I want our National Team to play kick and run and bash. Great for college ball where players get limited practice over limited years, but useless for long term soccer skills.

At the moment I'm hoping for Gerardo Martino. His players are raving about him at Atlanta United. I don't want Tab Ramos or anyone in the U.S. Youth system right now. Honestly though, I really don't know where to go. Bradley was the obvious successor to Arena the first time, JK was the obvious choice after Bradley, Arena was really the only choice given the position we were in at the beginning of the hex. I don't think there really is any heir apparent right now, and with Gulati dithering over whether he is going to stay, or whether he can win the Feb election, I'm not sure he is the right guy to be picking the next staff.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 11, 2017, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: deutschfan on October 11, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
Speaking of new blood-- I am tired of recycled, out of shape coaches like Sigi Schmidt, Bruce Arena, Steve Sampson coming in and out of the USMNT.  Sigi hasn't turned the Galaxy around and Sampson has had unimpressive results at Cal Poly.  You watch the coaching at the Academy level and most of the time the staffs look disinterested conveying a too cool for school attitude.  I am going out of the box on this one.  My vote for the new coach of the USMNT is Justin Serpone.  You can love him or hate him but he gets every ounce out of the players he has and winning is his number 1 priority.  I would have Scott Wiercinski as his Assistant, another coach with real passion.


LOL...+k for the "sick of these out of shape coaches"..You could fit 4 basket-balls in Sigi's gut..That is embarrassing.

The funniest / craziest most stupid International Hire ever?


Steve Sampson hired by Costa Rica in the late 90's early 2000's. The guy has NO CLUE...His 1998 US squad were a bunch of bums that absolutely QUIT on him during the World Cup in France. Lalas, Wynalda, Freidel, Jones etc QUIT on him. He then somehow turned that MESS into a Costa Rica gig. They caught on quick as I think he was sacked after a couple months.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 11, 2017, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: deutschfan on October 11, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
Speaking of new blood-- I am tired of recycled, out of shape coaches like Sigi Schmidt, Bruce Arena, Steve Sampson coming in and out of the USMNT.  Sigi hasn't turned the Galaxy around and Sampson has had unimpressive results at Cal Poly.  You watch the coaching at the Academy level and most of the time the staffs look disinterested conveying a too cool for school attitude.  I am going out of the box on this one.  My vote for the new coach of the USMNT is Justin Serpone.  You can love him or hate him but he gets every ounce out of the players he has and winning is his number 1 priority.  I would have Scott Wiercinski as his Assistant, another coach with real passion.

Hell will freeze over first. Nor do I want our National Team to play kick and run and bash. Great for college ball where players get limited practice over limited years, but useless for long term soccer skills.

At the moment I'm hoping for Gerardo Martino. His players are raving about him at Atlanta United. I don't want Tab Ramos or anyone in the U.S. Youth system right now. Honestly though, I really don't know where to go. Bradley was the obvious successor to Arena the first time, JK was the obvious choice after Bradley, Arena was really the only choice given the position we were in at the beginning of the hex. I don't think there really is any heir apparent right now, and with Gulati dithering over whether he is going to stay, or whether he can win the Feb election, I'm not sure he is the right guy to be picking the next staff.



Yea Tab Ramos is not the answer....I would love to see them hire a Jorge Sampaoli type...get the new generation playing true futbol..Would be fantastic. I see 3 players on the current roster that will be around for 2022. Pulisic, Yedlin and Wood. The rest are HISTORY...Also, is it me or should Tim Howard saved BOTH of those goals. 4 years ago he would of had the athleticism to back his feet up and get to those balls. He looked slow and old last night. His teammates obviously did not help him but those were weak sauce
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 11, 2017, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 11, 2017, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: deutschfan on October 11, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
Speaking of new blood-- I am tired of recycled, out of shape coaches like Sigi Schmidt, Bruce Arena, Steve Sampson coming in and out of the USMNT.  Sigi hasn't turned the Galaxy around and Sampson has had unimpressive results at Cal Poly.  You watch the coaching at the Academy level and most of the time the staffs look disinterested conveying a too cool for school attitude.  I am going out of the box on this one.  My vote for the new coach of the USMNT is Justin Serpone.  You can love him or hate him but he gets every ounce out of the players he has and winning is his number 1 priority.  I would have Scott Wiercinski as his Assistant, another coach with real passion.

Hell will freeze over first. Nor do I want our National Team to play kick and run and bash. Great for college ball where players get limited practice over limited years, but useless for long term soccer skills.

At the moment I'm hoping for Gerardo Martino. His players are raving about him at Atlanta United. I don't want Tab Ramos or anyone in the U.S. Youth system right now. Honestly though, I really don't know where to go. Bradley was the obvious successor to Arena the first time, JK was the obvious choice after Bradley, Arena was really the only choice given the position we were in at the beginning of the hex. I don't think there really is any heir apparent right now, and with Gulati dithering over whether he is going to stay, or whether he can win the Feb election, I'm not sure he is the right guy to be picking the next staff.



Yea Tab Ramos is not the answer....I would love to see them hire a Jorge Sampaoli type...get the new generation playing true futbol..Would be fantastic. I see 3 players on the current roster that will be around for 2022. Pulisic, Yedlin and Wood. The rest are HISTORY...Also, is it me or should Tim Howard saved BOTH of those goals. 4 years ago he would of had the athleticism to back his feet up and get to those balls. He looked slow and old last night. His teammates obviously did not help him but those were weak sauce

Agree 100% on Timmy.  First words out of my mouth on both of those goals were "what the hell are you doing Howard?"
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 01:05:03 PM
Timmy is the end of my generation. I played him at both the club and h.s. level, knocking his h.s. team out of NJ State Playoffs my senior year in a penalty shootout. No, he wasn't the goalie, he was an all-state midfielder and easily made his pk. We also beat his club team in the State Cup one year when he was in goal, about 3 years prior to the h.s. game when we were playing U15 and prior to his first selection to a youth national team I believe. Played with him several times in tryouts for NJ Olympic Development team. Suffice to say he made the team several times, I always got cut pretty early in the process! So I'm really partial to Tim Howard and some great childhood memories.

That being said, yeah, wasn't good last night, not having a great season with Colorado, and well more than two decades after my glory years ended, this should be it for him and the National Team.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Little Giant 89 on October 11, 2017, 01:44:12 PM
To JK's point we need a new CEO to take over for Sunil to coordinate all of the disparate constituents.

At 75, he may not want to take on this massive new venture, but what if you could get David Stern interested in the role of President of U.S. Soccer.

In terms of a coach, that person needs to solely be the coach, not the coach and soccer director, the way they tried to work with Jurgen.  Those two jobs are too big for one person.  It seems to me though that you do need a Jurgen type.  You need someone from outside of U.S. Soccer who has a reputation that the players will respect, but who is not beholden to MLS or to NCAA or to the MNT coaches on down the line, or any of the various other domestic constituents.

What about David Wagner at Huddersfield?  Not enough success to earn the players' respect?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
Coaching a national team is a very different job than coaching a professional team. Your time is spent in evaluation, both of your players and opponents, not actually coaching. The players come in to a short camp, that primarily focuses on fitness and team building, and fast installation of a tactical plan. Outside of the Gold Cup and World Cup, you don't get extended time with the players.

A national team coach is primarily a motivator and evaluator. The job of a professional team coach is to manage a team, week in and week out, through a long season. Because someone can do one, does not mean they are suited to the other. Generally you need to be a successful professional coach to become a national team manager, but no one can deny that JK was a much better national team manager than professional coach. His schtick worked in small bursts, but wore out quickly over long exposure. And tactically he just wasn't strong. Again, a shortcoming that can be somewhat hidden as a national team coach, but not week in and out against common opponents.

I'm still unsure where to look for a new national team coach, but I'm not sure a successful professional coach is the best option. One of the reasons Martino keeps coming to mind is because he did do well with a national team and with club teams. I would want that combination more than just a successful pro coach.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 11, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Out of 27 possible combinations of results of the US, Honduras, Panama either win, draw, or lose... 22 combinations would have had the US finish 3rd, 4 would have had the US 4th, and just 1 would have the US in 5th

Interestingly the biggest populations have failed to qualify... India, China, USA, Indonesia, Pakistan account for 46% of the worlds population with close to 3.5 billion people yet we have Iceland with it's less than 350,000 people qualified.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 11, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Out of 27 possible combinations of results of the US, Honduras, Panama either win, draw, or lose... 22 combinations would have had the US finish 3rd, 4 would have had the US 4th, and just 1 would have the US in 5th

Interestingly the biggest populations have failed to qualify... India, China, USA, Indonesia, Pakistan account for 46% of the worlds population with close to 3.5 billion people yet we have Iceland with it's less than 350,000 people qualified.

In none of those countries, barring maybe China, is it the pre-eminent sport in the nation. That will always be an important distinction. For most qualifying nations, no sport is more popular for both participation and viewing, than soccer. None of these countries, except the U.S. interestingly where soccer was probably the second most popular sport in the country until the 1920s, have a long history with soccer either.

I coach my twin 6 year old boys now. We play many teams with fathers who have never played and don't understand the game. They can't teach kids so much as the fundamentals of how to strike the ball correctly, let alone start them on proper dribbling technique and off the ball movement. My own father coached me, and I distinctly remember him watching VHS tapes to understand the concepts of a game he had hardly heard of growing up. My intermediate school and h.s. j.v. coaches had no idea how to play the game and relied on the parents that had coached to make substitutions and tactical adjustments during the games.

We have neither the athletes nor the technical background, nor the coaching expertise, nor the development and professional opportunities, of any of the elite or even second tier nations. We are better off than we were in 1986, but really we are at least a generation, probably two or three, away from having the societal infrastructure to field a truly elite team.

I fear with this setback that may be pushed off even longer.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 11, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
I guess the point there is that if a small country like Iceland can manage to put together a quality team... how can the US with 1000x the population and lots more money fail? Obviously India and Pakistan are more interested in cricket, and Indonesia got suspended... but the US should have plenty of talented players just from the sheer number of kids who play. There is no excuse that out of millions who play you can't manage to develop a couple dozen.

Also, how is there no goal line technology or extra ref at this level of competition? Panama never scored but were given the goal to tie Costa Rica early in the 2nd half. Now we know how Ireland felt 8 years ago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 11, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
I think your probability statistics are an excellent point to make just I will take it in a different direction. Somewhere I read that the US had 93% chance to qualify before the game. IMO overrated players like Bradley, Altidore and others went into this game with inflated confidence and assumed they could at least get a draw by merely showing up because T&T had "nothing"to play for and well they were just that much better. IMO the US played like they knew they had already qualified and showed it on the field.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 11, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
I guess the point there is that if a small country like Iceland can manage to put together a quality team... how can the US with 1000x the population and lots more money fail? Obviously India and Pakistan are more interested in cricket, and Indonesia got suspended... but the US should have plenty of talented players just from the sheer number of kids who play. There is no excuse that out of millions who play you can't manage to develop a couple dozen.

Also, how is there no goal line technology or extra ref at this level of competition? Panama never scored but were given the goal to tie Costa Rica early in the 2nd half. Now we know how Ireland felt 8 years ago.

I absolutely agree, to a point. We can develop athletes, sure. But soccer is much more tactical than most sports. Football has 24 players, 11 a side and 2 kickers, but they all have very specific and independent jobs. Basketball is played on a tiny court with unlimited subs. Hockey is fast as all get out, but a sprint not a 90 minute marathon. Baseball is... well, a skill except for the pitcher and maybe the center fielder. Same with golf. As a team sport, there is nothing like soccer. And without the tactics becoming second nature through, years of drilling and awareness of how it should be played, something we do so poorly in this country since we don't have enough people that know them, we have naive athletes.

Very rarely does the American team lose the game physically. They lose the game because the other team can break down their defense or the American offense isn't tactical or technical enough to break down the opponents defense. Add to that soccer is also more random in outcomes because it is so low scoring, so the margin for error is much smaller than any other team sport, and you get a situation where just developing athletes simply isn't enough. You can't brute strength soccer the way you can an offensive line for a running game in football. Or the guys in the paint in basketball. You can't just out run someone the way you can outskate an opponent in hockey because you don't have the subs.

Until we have the coaches and the technical savvy and the tactical knowledge from all ages, plus development that puts h.s. and college programs to shame, we will never be able to compete at an elite level, despite how well our athletes have been developed.

And yes, the women's game, at this stage is different. It is nowhere near as technical and tactical because globally the women's game is young and suffers, on a global scale, from what the U.S. men suffer from at home. And the U.S. women, thanks to Title IX and college, as poor a substitute as college is, are vastly ahead of the nothing that most of the rest of the world had for women's development until very recently.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: madzillagd on October 12, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
I believe it was Robbie Earl that made the point, how insanely soft are you mentally if you get piggybacked  across a puddle of water because you don't want to get your boots wet during practice?  I think Mr Right nailed it. These guys were overconfident and played with no urgency. I'm one that doesn't see the need to keep anyone 30 and over around for the next cycle. These guys didn't earn a second chance. Rather replace with youth and/or less talented players that play with heart.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Domino1195 on October 12, 2017, 11:56:26 AM
This article was published last summer.  If the US is looking for a "plan" on how to develop youth and how to create a national identity they need to look no further. U10 coaches have to have a UEFA B license.  U10. B license.

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"The result is a spread of expertise right down to the lowest level. "Here you need a Uefa B licence to coach from under-10 level up and half of the Uefa B licence to coach under-eights," Dagur Sveinn Dagbjartsson of the Icelandic FA says. This isn't simply box-ticking. The Uefa B is one step off the level needed to coach a professional team in England. Yelling dads it ain't."

Unfortunately, the American Way is to throw a pile of money at a problem and then drum your fingers, impatiently waiting a whole minute for results. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 12, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on October 12, 2017, 11:56:26 AM
This article was published last summer.  If the US is looking for a "plan" on how to develop youth and how to create a national identity they need to look no further. U10 coaches have to have a UEFA B license.  U10. B license.

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"The result is a spread of expertise right down to the lowest level. "Here you need a Uefa B licence to coach from under-10 level up and half of the Uefa B licence to coach under-eights," Dagur Sveinn Dagbjartsson of the Icelandic FA says. This isn't simply box-ticking. The Uefa B is one step off the level needed to coach a professional team in England. Yelling dads it ain't."

Unfortunately, the American Way is to throw a pile of money at a problem and then drum your fingers, impatiently waiting a whole minute for results. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback)

Absolutely. But it's not going to happen. Primarily because the love isn't here. When I was 10 I was playing soccer in the fall, basketball in the winter, indoor soccer in the winter, baseball in the spring. I guarantee you my dad wasn't getting a B license to coach me in soccer not knowing which sport I was going to pick. And frankly, he probably couldn't have anyway since he learned the game as I did. And it's the same thing now. More dads have played soccer, but many still haven't. And with so many popular sports in America, that's not going to change. It isn't like England where dads pretty much played soccer or rugby. Here they might have played 5 or 6 different sports. And we can't fix that because it still happens today. Too many options.

And, frankly, I don't want to make my kids play 1 sport. If they enjoy many, they can play many.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ejay on October 12, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 12, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on October 12, 2017, 11:56:26 AM
This article was published last summer.  If the US is looking for a "plan" on how to develop youth and how to create a national identity they need to look no further. U10 coaches have to have a UEFA B license.  U10. B license.

Quote
"The result is a spread of expertise right down to the lowest level. "Here you need a Uefa B licence to coach from under-10 level up and half of the Uefa B licence to coach under-eights," Dagur Sveinn Dagbjartsson of the Icelandic FA says. This isn't simply box-ticking. The Uefa B is one step off the level needed to coach a professional team in England. Yelling dads it ain't."

Unfortunately, the American Way is to throw a pile of money at a problem and then drum your fingers, impatiently waiting a whole minute for results. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback)

Absolutely. But it's not going to happen. Primarily because the love isn't here. When I was 10 I was playing soccer in the fall, basketball in the winter, indoor soccer in the winter, baseball in the spring. I guarantee you my dad wasn't getting a B license to coach me in soccer not knowing which sport I was going to pick. And frankly, he probably couldn't have anyway since he learned the game as I did. And it's the same thing now. More dads have played soccer, but many still haven't. And with so many popular sports in America, that's not going to change. It isn't like England where dads pretty much played soccer or rugby. Here they might have played 5 or 6 different sports. And we can't fix that because it still happens today. Too many options.

And, frankly, I don't want to make my kids play 1 sport. If they enjoy many, they can play many.

The answer is not better "education". The pay-to-play model really picked up steam in the early 90s when the "professional" English trainers started coming over to train the US youth. Props to them for seeing a business opportunity and running with it.  However, just because you have an accent and a B license (or better) absolutely does not guarantee that you will be an effective coach/trainer. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2017, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: EB2319 on October 12, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 12, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: Domino1195 on October 12, 2017, 11:56:26 AM
This article was published last summer.  If the US is looking for a "plan" on how to develop youth and how to create a national identity they need to look no further. U10 coaches have to have a UEFA B license.  U10. B license.

Quote
"The result is a spread of expertise right down to the lowest level. "Here you need a Uefa B licence to coach from under-10 level up and half of the Uefa B licence to coach under-eights," Dagur Sveinn Dagbjartsson of the Icelandic FA says. This isn't simply box-ticking. The Uefa B is one step off the level needed to coach a professional team in England. Yelling dads it ain't."

Unfortunately, the American Way is to throw a pile of money at a problem and then drum your fingers, impatiently waiting a whole minute for results. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback)

Absolutely. But it's not going to happen. Primarily because the love isn't here. When I was 10 I was playing soccer in the fall, basketball in the winter, indoor soccer in the winter, baseball in the spring. I guarantee you my dad wasn't getting a B license to coach me in soccer not knowing which sport I was going to pick. And frankly, he probably couldn't have anyway since he learned the game as I did. And it's the same thing now. More dads have played soccer, but many still haven't. And with so many popular sports in America, that's not going to change. It isn't like England where dads pretty much played soccer or rugby. Here they might have played 5 or 6 different sports. And we can't fix that because it still happens today. Too many options.

And, frankly, I don't want to make my kids play 1 sport. If they enjoy many, they can play many.

The answer is not better "education". The pay-to-play model really picked up steam in the early 90s when the "professional" English trainers started coming over to train the US youth. Props to them for seeing a business opportunity and running with it.  However, just because you have an accent and a B license (or better) absolutely does not guarantee that you will be an effective coach/trainer.



EXACTLY......+k for next 3 days.....Also, you are correct in the 90's they showed up in droves with a suitcase and accent and were gobbling up jobs all over the place. What have the English accomplished since 1966?

Side Note:    There is a particular club in Massachusetts, and I am sure all over the country, that will only hire Brits and no Americans...They send emails to all college coaches asking if they have any British players on their roster that would be interested in starting a career in coaching. When one coach replied that he did not but had an excellent candidate from the state near where they were located and would be a welcome addition to their staff he was told that they were not interested and then off the record was told they were directed to only hire the British from the top of the club...Ridiculous and an off hand account but I am sure this has been happening since the 90's. I could somewhat understand this as long as it would work like this for Americans trying to work or god forbid play in England...It doesn't...They make you jump thru hoops just to get a chance and usually it does not work out.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 13, 2017, 01:43:18 PM
In news that's hardly news... Bruce Arena resigned. Not that I think he was staying on for another cycle, but even Gulati wasn't going to keep him after this debacle. So resigned... asked to leave... fired... all semantics. It will be interesting to see who is chosen next.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on October 16, 2017, 12:51:38 AM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 10, 2017, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 10, 2017, 09:57:56 AM
It really was an end to end game. Could have easily have been 7 or 8 to 2 or 3 as 4-0. The Panamanian coach really screwed up. He set his team up wrong, tried to fix it in the 20th, but just couldn't. I don't know if he thought we would crumble if they could get out to a fast start or what, but it backfired horribly. And it's a shame, because that is a good team for Panama and I hope they pull the 4th spot. I like them much better than Honduras, who has always been more brutal and direct and very little fun to watch with almost no hope of earning points at a World Cup.

Anyway, the pitch at TnT looks awful. Really hoping we can get a quick start and then run out the clock for the win, because I think by the end of 90 minutes that's just going to be a mud hole where kick and run is the only option.

+1k to Goldenrj for the sarcasm alert!

I agree jk that, with that pitch in T&T, it could be disastrous for the U.S. to fall behind.

Thanks 70s guy!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2017, 04:57:27 PM
At least the U17 team is having fun, 5-0 over Paraguay in the Round of 16 at the FIFA U17 WC ...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 16, 2017, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2017, 04:57:27 PM
At least the U17 team is having fun, 5-0 over Paraguay in the Round of 16 at the FIFA U17 WC ...

Saw that. I was nervous after they choked their last group match. Today went better though a very nervy beginning. They are looking very strong defensively except the one game when it looked like a mess. Unfortunately the very good defensive mid will miss the next match for yellow card accumulation.  That will complicate things. Kind of hope they get England not Japan. England will play very direct, Japan is more a tricky skills team. I think we will match up better against England.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: just4kix on October 17, 2017, 09:46:02 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 16, 2017, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2017, 04:57:27 PM
At least the U17 team is having fun, 5-0 over Paraguay in the Round of 16 at the FIFA U17 WC ...

Saw that. I was nervous after they choked their last group match. Today went better though a very nervy beginning. They are looking very strong defensively except the one game when it looked like a mess. Unfortunately the very good defensive mid will miss the next match for yellow card accumulation.  That will complicate things. Kind of hope they get England not Japan. England will play very direct, Japan is more a tricky skills team. I think we will match up better against England.

Wouldn't it be better for these kids to get the experience competing against a "tricky skills" team?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 17, 2017, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: just4kix on October 17, 2017, 09:46:02 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 16, 2017, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2017, 04:57:27 PM
At least the U17 team is having fun, 5-0 over Paraguay in the Round of 16 at the FIFA U17 WC ...

Saw that. I was nervous after they choked their last group match. Today went better though a very nervy beginning. They are looking very strong defensively except the one game when it looked like a mess. Unfortunately the very good defensive mid will miss the next match for yellow card accumulation.  That will complicate things. Kind of hope they get England not Japan. England will play very direct, Japan is more a tricky skills team. I think we will match up better against England.

Wouldn't it be better for these kids to get the experience competing against a "tricky skills" team?

I'm all for getting experience in friendlies and lesser tournaments. When it comes to a World Cup, any age World Cup, I want to win games. The pinnacle of competition isn't about primarily learning, it's the one time it really is all about winning.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 17, 2017, 12:53:20 PM
England advances on PKs 0-0 (5-3).  I would expect goals in the England - U.S.A. match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2017, 02:36:37 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 16, 2017, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2017, 04:57:27 PM
At least the U17 team is having fun, 5-0 over Paraguay in the Round of 16 at the FIFA U17 WC ...

Saw that. I was nervous after they choked their last group match. Today went better though a very nervy beginning. They are looking very strong defensively except the one game when it looked like a mess. Unfortunately the very good defensive mid will miss the next match for yellow card accumulation.  That will complicate things. Kind of hope they get England not Japan. England will play very direct, Japan is more a tricky skills team. I think we will match up better against England.

Wish granted, England advances 5-3 on PKs after a scoreless match.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on October 17, 2017, 03:14:14 PM
Now we need to come to play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
In watching Barcelona-Olympiacos -- Barca is up 1-0 through an own goal -- it is interesting to see how FCB has changed certain aspects of its play.

During the Guardiola era they had absolutely no Plan B for when teams would sit deep and park the bus -- they would still try to tiki-taka it in to the opponent's goal. It worked most of the time, but there were a number of notable occasions where it didn't (see: Chelsea 2012). Dani Alves said "we don't need a Plan B, we just need Plan A to work better." (Personally, I firmly disagree -- I think you always need a Plan B. Then again, he is a professional and I am me, so there's that.)

Since Enrique started, and now into Valverde's tenure, they are still very much a possession-based side and like to keep the ball on the ground, but aren't afraid of playing an occasional diagonal or penetrative high ball. This wasn't well-received by the Camp Nou faithful at first, but they were more receptive after winning the Treble for the second time (the only club in Europe to do so twice) in 2015. Today, they're keeping the ball on the ground for the most part, but look very dangerous when they play a diagonal or penetrative pass to the runners in behind. The Blaugrana haven't won the UCL since, but, even without Neymar, appear to be the early favorite for this year's title, and a big part of that is their expansion in tactics.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
Man Paulinho has gone from strength to strength since joining Barca. How he was so bad at Spurs yet so good here confounds me (although I might imagine playing in a world-class side provides a lift for anyone, which Spurs were not in 2013, although they probably are now). Still, pretty crazy that he went to the Chinese league, looked pretty much finished, and came to Barca and has been reborn.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 03:33:50 PM
Plot twist: Pique bundles the ball home for 2-0, but the flag goes up, he gets a second yellow for handball, and is sent off. Marca would've been proud of that one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 04:08:37 PM
2-0 Barcelona, Messi with a free kick that the GK got a hand to but couldn't keep out. Messi's 100th goal in European club competition.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 04:09:00 PM
3-0 right after, Digne.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 18, 2017, 04:10:54 PM
I cannot find any of these Champions league matches on TV..Usually FS1 carries 1 game..You are correct about Paulinho he has come back to life bigtime
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 18, 2017, 04:11:05 PM
I cannot find any of these Champions league matches on TV..Usually FS1 carries 1 game..You are correct about Paulinho he has come back to life bigtime at Barca
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 04:15:03 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 18, 2017, 04:11:05 PM
I cannot find any of these Champions league matches on TV..Usually FS1 carries 1 game..You are correct about Paulinho he has come back to life bigtime at Barca

Not going to reveal my exact streaming location or methods to avoid self-incrimination, but "one might look at reddit" (/r/soccerstreams) to find free streams. Even so, I figure the Feds would've found me by now if it was that bad -- I've been watching games in similar fashion since 2009.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 04:20:53 PM
Whoa...Chelsea-Roma is 3-3. Chelsea were up 2-0, Roma scored three straight, Chelsea back level through Hazard. Those will be fun highlights to watch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 18, 2017, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 04:15:03 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 18, 2017, 04:11:05 PM
I cannot find any of these Champions league matches on TV..Usually FS1 carries 1 game..You are correct about Paulinho he has come back to life bigtime at Barca

Not going to reveal my exact streaming location or methods to avoid self-incrimination, but "one might look at reddit" (/r/soccerstreams) to find free streams. Even so, I figure the Feds would've found me by now if it was that bad -- I've been watching games in similar fashion since 2009.


Excellent...+k
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2017, 04:36:48 PM
Olympiacos gets one back off the corner with a minute left in normal time. Really nice header by the same guy who scored an own goal in the first half. Ter Stegen couldn't get anywhere near it -- no goalkeeper would've been able to IMHO.

Final score: Barcelona 3-1 Olympiacos
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: NJrexSoccer03 on October 19, 2017, 08:42:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 18, 2017, 04:11:05 PM
I cannot find any of these Champions league matches on TV..Usually FS1 carries 1 game..You are correct about Paulinho he has come back to life bigtime at Barca

Mr. Right - There is usually a game on Fox Sports 2 (The Yankees game was the reason there wasn't one on FS1). The other games you can find on ESPN 3 (The WatchEspn App - sometimes these are in Spanish) and now they are doing one match Facebook Live style. I believe its on the FoxSports Champions League Facebook page. Usually one game gets snubbed but I think yesterday every game was on. This is how I try to watch at least 3 games at the same time. This same thing might hold true for Europa League as well but I don't get as involved with Europa League till the knockout rounds.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 19, 2017, 11:20:59 AM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on October 19, 2017, 08:42:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 18, 2017, 04:11:05 PM
I cannot find any of these Champions league matches on TV..Usually FS1 carries 1 game..You are correct about Paulinho he has come back to life bigtime at Barca

Mr. Right - There is usually a game on Fox Sports 2 (The Yankees game was the reason there wasn't one on FS1). The other games you can find on ESPN 3 (The WatchEspn App - sometimes these are in Spanish) and now they are doing one match Facebook Live style. I believe its on the FoxSports Champions League Facebook page. Usually one game gets snubbed but I think yesterday every game was on. This is how I try to watch at least 3 games at the same time. This same thing might hold true for Europa League as well but I don't get as involved with Europa League till the knockout rounds.

There is also a FoxSportsGo app, so if you are a Fox Sports subscriber on your cable system, you may have access to additional UCL games (not on FS1 or FS2) via the online app, your phone, or some streaming device (such as Roku).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 19, 2017, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: NJrexSoccer03 on October 19, 2017, 08:42:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 18, 2017, 04:11:05 PM
I cannot find any of these Champions league matches on TV..Usually FS1 carries 1 game..You are correct about Paulinho he has come back to life bigtime at Barca

Mr. Right - There is usually a game on Fox Sports 2 (The Yankees game was the reason there wasn't one on FS1). The other games you can find on ESPN 3 (The WatchEspn App - sometimes these are in Spanish) and now they are doing one match Facebook Live style. I believe its on the FoxSports Champions League Facebook page. Usually one game gets snubbed but I think yesterday every game was on. This is how I try to watch at least 3 games at the same time. This same thing might hold true for Europa League as well but I don't get as involved with Europa League till the knockout rounds.


Ok ... thanks for the info.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 21, 2017, 05:23:46 PM
Man Utd goes down to its first PL defeat of the season at Huddersfield Town.

Even as an anti-United person I did admire their strong start to the year, and think that Matic was an excellent signing that really strengthened the core of the team. That said, Lukaku does seem to have trouble shedding his reputation as a flat-track bully. Many of the goals he scores are rebounds and tap-ins which, while important for any striker, are harder to come by as you play better opposition. Aside from the cross for Rashford's goal, he was nowhere to be seen today, and blew his big chance against Liverpool, although to be fair I think the latter was a good save by Mignolet.

Anyway, will be interesting to see where Jose's team goes from here. City seems to have addressed its defensive issues through Pep, and now United will have tougher fixtures coming up -- their only game against last year's "top six" so far was last weekend's 0-0 draw with Liverpool. They're home to Tottenham next weekend and travel to Chelsea the week after, and I think that will give a more accurate indication of where they're at.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 21, 2017, 05:27:38 PM
I was watching Watford at Chelsea this morning but had to go out. I left the game and Watford was leading 2-1 and looked very good as much as Chelsea looked bad but to my surprise I just checked the score and Chelsea won 4-2. Something must have sparked them
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on October 21, 2017, 05:31:00 PM
One of my favorite coaches Marcelo Bielsa looks to really be struggling at Lille in the French League as they are currently in the Drop Zone...He loves total control over a club and seemed to have been given it by management BUT he needs players and management looks like they were not going to give him the $$$ to spend..Stay Tuned...Usually when things head south Bielsa heads north and west right out of dodge...Quit Marsielle a couple years ago after 1 game
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 28, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
Finally got around to watching a Liverpool game at the official LFC Boston pub, Phoenix Landing in Cambridge. A great atmosphere and 3/4 of a mile from my place — and a 3-0 LFC win! After a stop-start season thus far, a good one to watch, particularly as my first time going (I'd always wanted to go but heard you had to get there an hour before kickoff, not the case today).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on October 28, 2017, 05:07:16 PM
Blooter, I am a Liverpool fan and I'm very pleased to learn of Phoenix Landing.  My younger son lives in Boston and is a Man U fan (which is kind of like being a front running Yankees fan).  I live in Maine, but my intention is to visit him in Boston and insist he go with me to watch a Liverpool game and drink a couple pints at Phoenix Landing sometime...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 28, 2017, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: truenorth on October 28, 2017, 05:07:16 PM
Blooter, I am a Liverpool fan and I'm very pleased to learn of Phoenix Landing.  My younger son lives in Boston and is a Man U fan (which is kind of like being a front running Yankees fan).  I live in Maine, but my intention is to visit him in Boston and insist he go with me to watch a Liverpool game and drink a couple pints at Phoenix Landing sometime...

Sounds like a good plan! There are a bunch of TVs there with a lot of games going on all at the same time, even some Bundesliga today, so there's something for everyone, although LFC is front and center. Either way, I can't imagine he'd turn down a pint on Dad's dime! ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on October 28, 2017, 08:52:28 PM
Agreed.  You can't turn down a pint on someone else's dime, even if it is your old man...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 01, 2017, 05:23:39 PM
Wow...Spurs up 3-0 over Real Madrid. Is Ronaldo even playing?

Elsewhere, Aguero scores his club record goal for Man City against Napoli, and Can just finished an absolute worldie for LFC after a class touch from Milner. A good set of Wednesday pick-me-up games.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 01, 2017, 05:24:55 PM
Well, I guess Ronaldo (quickly becoming the king of tap-ins) is playing, as he just scored to bring it back to 3-1. Still, stunning scoreline thus far.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 13, 2017, 05:18:38 PM
Did Rowan train in Italy over spring break....

Outshot Sweden 23-4. 

Going home early
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 13, 2017, 05:21:33 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 13, 2017, 05:18:38 PM
Did Rowan train in Italy over spring break....

Outshot Sweden 23-4. 

Going home early

Can't say I will miss them at the WC.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 13, 2017, 09:47:45 PM
That is just a massive disappointment. Italy missing the World Cup is 10 times worse than the US not qualifying. The Italians are so passionate about their futbol the whole country MUST be in mourning today. Not sure who beat them out in their qualifying group. The Dutch not even making a Playoff is also just a massive disappointment.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 14, 2017, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 13, 2017, 09:47:45 PM
That is just a massive disappointment. Italy missing the World Cup is 10 times worse than the US not qualifying. The Italians are so passionate about their futbol the whole country MUST be in mourning today. Not sure who beat them out in their qualifying group. The Dutch not even making a Playoff is also just a massive disappointment.

Italy ended up in the same qualifying group as Spain.  While it's no shame to finish second to Spain in a qualifying group, Italy may have been able to avoid such a harsh draw by being more selective in scheduling friendlies (i.e., picked some easier opponents) in order to have a higher Official World Ranking ("OWR") at the time the qualifying groups were drawn.  UEFA seeds teams for the draw based upon OWR, so a country can game the system a bit by racking up wins in friendlies and obtaining a higher OWR.  Unfortunately for Italy, their OWR was not high enough to get one of the #1 seeds prior to the qualifying draw.  Being a #2 seed, they were always at risk of ending up in the same qualifying group with Spain or Germany.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 14, 2017, 09:44:15 AM

USA should just host a tournament with Italy, Netherlands, and Chile...   

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 14, 2017, 09:54:35 AM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 14, 2017, 09:44:15 AM

USA should just host a tournament with Italy, Netherlands, and Chile...

You must follow Taylor Twellman on Twitter . . .
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Little Giant 89 on November 14, 2017, 12:50:34 PM
Include Ghana, Cameroon, and the Ivory Coast in that tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2017, 11:36:03 AM
Not Ghana happen...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 15, 2017, 11:38:13 AM
I don't see a tournament all that likely, but I could see them schedule a bunch of pre-world cup friendlies during the window with these teams. There will be a lot of teams that want to play in North America to prepare for the World Cup, so I imagine the U.S. will have no shortage of possible opponents.

None of which is a suitable substitution for our abject failure to qualify for the World Cup. Pathetic.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 15, 2017, 02:20:45 PM
Word is after the US went up 1-0 over Portugal in the 1st Half Gulati gave himself and Sarachan 4 year contracts.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 15, 2017, 02:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 15, 2017, 02:20:45 PM
Word is after the US went up 1-0 over Portugal in the 1st Half Gulati gave himself and Sarachan 4 year contracts.

Funny. But Gulati's position is unpaid. I bet a lot of people don't know that. It is a bit of a joke that we've consolidated so much power in US Soccer into an elected and unpaid position.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 15, 2017, 02:28:47 PM
I actually did know that. Gulati has plenty of money..His big thing is his absolutely massive ego...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 21, 2017, 03:40:04 PM
LFC 3-0 up and cruising at Sevilla at half. Certainly didn't see that one coming.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 21, 2017, 04:05:59 PM
And Sevilla are back to 3-2. >:(
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 21, 2017, 04:36:48 PM
Aghhhh 3-3. Time to bench Moreno.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 22, 2017, 12:20:35 PM
Today is Juve v Barcelona..Not sure where the game is being played though
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 22, 2017, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 22, 2017, 12:20:35 PM
Today is Juve v Barcelona..Not sure where the game is being played though

Italy -- Barca beat Juve 3-0 at home.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 22, 2017, 01:00:56 PM
Oh that is right. I remember that game...Juve is going to have to come out flying and be attacking all game..Should be a ton of goals
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 22, 2017, 02:59:58 PM
This is a massive ask for Juve to come up with 3 goals playing like this..
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on November 22, 2017, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 22, 2017, 02:59:58 PM
This is a massive ask for Juve to come up with 3 goals playing like this..

They don't have to -- still group stages.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 22, 2017, 10:50:23 PM
Ahh did not realize we are still in the group stage...Just taking a look at the tables it seems there are more than the normal # of groups with teams still alive for the final match of the group,,Will be an interesting final day for most groups in 2 weeks
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on December 02, 2017, 04:06:22 PM
Any comments on the WC draw?

Which is the group of death?  and the group of dearth?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: wchandy22 on December 03, 2017, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 02, 2017, 04:06:22 PM
Which is the group of death?  and the group of dearth?

I don't think there is a "Group of Death" this year; probably due to the change in the selection process. There are some groups that are interesting but only because the teams are closer in talent. Group D (Argentina, Croatia, Iceland, Nigeria) may be of most interest. Groups A (Russia, Uruguay, Egypt, Saudi Arabia) and H (Poland, Colombia, Senegal, Japan) are others where all four teams must feel they have a real opportunity to advance.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 06, 2017, 03:54:25 PM
At 5-0 I think even Liverpool will see the game out from here. Coutinho with the hatty. They are so good going forward at times.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: wchandy22 on December 10, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on December 06, 2017, 03:54:25 PM
At 5-0 I think even Liverpool will see the game out from here. Coutinho with the hatty. They are so good going forward at times.

They are fun to watch. Their 23 goals in the group stage would have been a record if PSG had not scored 25. Still, not too shabby for a team selected from Pot C.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on December 10, 2017, 12:26:51 PM
Liverpool could have used some of those goals today.  Gotta win games like this.  Gotta be ruthless.  Wasn't a PK for Everton, but still . . . need more than one goal out of all that possession and pressure. And the yo-yo between elation and frustration supporting the Reds continues.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on March 07, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
Not really a good place to put this but... spent a little over 2 hours today taking U.S. Soccer's online Grassroots 4v4 coaching course. The replacement for the E or maybe F license. I can't remember. But I will say that it was surprisingly good for an online course. This is my third season coaching in a very low key church league, my daughter dropped after one season at 7 but my twin boys are on their second season at 6, and I wanted to look into what is recommended these days.

For $25 and a few hours you get a lot of resources and some much more modern techniques and concepts than the old skill drills I learned on. I'd recommend it for volunteer coaches with or without a soccer background to get ideas and outlines for running practices. If my boys stick with it I could see myself doing the other grassroots courses as they grow, even after I'm relegated to parent assistant.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on March 12, 2018, 08:32:30 PM
Who Knew:

Anyone know that Mike Piazza bought an Italian 3rd Division team with apparently some debts and stadium issues. You got everything in this presser...This is hilarious

http://www.whatahowler.com/reggiana-owner-mike-piazza-holds-press-conference-announce-fricken-pissed-off/?utm_content=buffer96023&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

This Howler mag is legit though
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on March 13, 2018, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on March 12, 2018, 08:32:30 PM
Who Knew:

Anyone know that Mike Piazza bought an Italian 3rd Division team with apparently some debts and stadium issues. You got everything in this presser...This is hilarious

http://www.whatahowler.com/reggiana-owner-mike-piazza-holds-press-conference-announce-fricken-pissed-off/?utm_content=buffer96023&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

This Howler mag is legit though

This is amazing. No joke Piazza was my first favorite professional athlete. Way back when I thought I was going to be a professional baseball player (at age 9). Not much love for him up here in New England but dad is a Mets fan originally from NJ and he got me on board early, although I can't say I follow baseball closely anymore. Either way, this is too funny.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on March 24, 2018, 11:50:12 PM
For some reason couldn't get the video to play at work (firewall?), and forgot to ever try watching at home on my computer until today.  Lifelong Dodger fan here, so I was a huge Piazza fan, even after he left for the Mets.  Did not have any idea that he had bought a soccer club in Italy before this. That was fun watch.  And I don't have much expectation that things are going change to his liking anytime soon. 
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 04, 2018, 07:11:01 PM
Wow! . . . just, WOW!  Great day to be a Red!  Couldn't have wished for anything more.  3-goal lead without conceding an away goal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on April 05, 2018, 08:35:23 AM
Yes, I was delighted to see this Liverpool performance!  I was streaming the game live on fubo.tv while on a cross country flight, and the reception sucked, but I was able to follow the action for the most part.  If they're able to score even one goal in the rematch at the Etihad, they should be in good shape...but as we know anything can happen...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on April 05, 2018, 09:35:26 AM
Not a Ronaldo or Real Madrid fan but his bicycle goal the other day was a beautiful bit of soccer and just pure athleticism. Credit where it is due for that one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 05, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on April 05, 2018, 09:35:26 AM
Not a Ronaldo or Real Madrid fan but his bicycle goal the other day was a beautiful bit of soccer and just pure athleticism. Credit where it is due for that one.

Agreed. I've not watched a lot of Ronaldo since he left England, so -- prior to watching the game -- based on his move from the wing into the penalty box, I had thought of him as having turned into a goal-hanger. That being said, I saw that, despite playing more centrally, he is much more than just a tap-in merchant -- his movement for the first was top class, as was the finish. The second, however, was unbelievable.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 05, 2018, 10:33:39 AM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on April 04, 2018, 07:11:01 PM
Wow! . . . just, WOW!  Great day to be a Red!  Couldn't have wished for anything more.  3-goal lead without conceding an away goal.

All-action performance. That pace going forward was unreal, and they are starting to look the part defensively. Van Dijk and Salah have been the marquee signings this season, but Robertson has been my favorite: great energy and workrate, good going forward, and doesn't get caught out defensively like Moreno, even with the latter's improvement early this season.

Quote from: truenorth on April 05, 2018, 08:35:23 AM
Yes, I was delighted to see this Liverpool performance!  I was streaming the game live on fubo.tv while on a cross country flight, and the reception sucked, but I was able to follow the action for the most part.  If they're able to score even one goal in the rematch at the Etihad, they should be in good shape...but as we know anything can happen...

I missed the first goal because of a bad stream (watching on my mobile at work), but saw the second and third. Second was a "blooter," as one might say. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on April 05, 2018, 10:58:01 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on April 05, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on April 05, 2018, 09:35:26 AM
Not a Ronaldo or Real Madrid fan but his bicycle goal the other day was a beautiful bit of soccer and just pure athleticism. Credit where it is due for that one.

Agreed. I've not watched a lot of Ronaldo since he left England, so -- prior to watching the game -- based on his move from the wing into the penalty box, I had thought of him as having turned into a goal-hanger. That being said, I saw that, despite playing more centrally, he is much more than just a tap-in merchant -- his movement for the first was top class, as was the finish. The second, however, was unbelievable.

Yes. He is a very complete player but I find him incredibly unlikable so I tend to try and discount how good he is. I think he does a lot of goal hanging against much of the La Liga competition because there are only 4 teams in that league that are worth Real Madrid's attention. He can just hang out at the top center and put in easy goals against over matched opponents, occasionally becoming interested enough to flash some serious skills or flashing them because he hasn't gotten enough press lately. But when he needs to play, he certainly can and does. A very rare talent on the field when he wants to be, but to me an annoying pretty boy off of it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 05, 2018, 11:24:16 AM
Quote from: jknezek on April 05, 2018, 10:58:01 AM
Yes. He is a very complete player but I find him incredibly unlikable so I tend to try and discount how good he is. I think he does a lot of goal hanging against much of the La Liga competition because there are only 4 teams in that league that are worth Real Madrid's attention. He can just hang out at the top center and put in easy goals against over matched opponents, occasionally becoming interested enough to flash some serious skills or flashing them because he hasn't gotten enough press lately. But when he needs to play, he certainly can and does. A very rare talent on the field when he wants to be, but to me an annoying pretty boy off of it.

Oh yeah, he's absolutely a primadonna and it's frustrating when he seems more focused on himself rather than the team (not celebrating with Arbeloa when the latter scored ahead of him a few years ago). I think you said it right that he certainly can play when he wants to but has moved infield and further up top. Incidentally, my dislike for Ronaldo as a person makes me appreciate Messi that much more. However, I have to recognize that the former is an unbelievable talent as well.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on April 10, 2018, 12:45:11 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on April 05, 2018, 11:24:16 AM
Quote from: jknezek on April 05, 2018, 10:58:01 AM
Yes. He is a very complete player but I find him incredibly unlikable so I tend to try and discount how good he is. I think he does a lot of goal hanging against much of the La Liga competition because there are only 4 teams in that league that are worth Real Madrid's attention. He can just hang out at the top center and put in easy goals against over matched opponents, occasionally becoming interested enough to flash some serious skills or flashing them because he hasn't gotten enough press lately. But when he needs to play, he certainly can and does. A very rare talent on the field when he wants to be, but to me an annoying pretty boy off of it.

Oh yeah, he's absolutely a primadonna and it's frustrating when he seems more focused on himself rather than the team (not celebrating with Arbeloa when the latter scored ahead of him a few years ago). I think you said it right that he certainly can play when he wants to but has moved infield and further up top. Incidentally, my dislike for Ronaldo as a person makes me appreciate Messi that much more. However, I have to recognize that the former is an unbelievable talent as well.


Bloots,

What are we thinking for tomorrow's(today's) match at Man City. I thought Klopper absolutely outcoached Pep last week. Flat out dusted him. What is the gameplan? Man City a goal and a half favorite with the goal total O/U being 3 1/2..I cannot wait and am debating banging out of work tomorrow to watch it..If the Reds play like they did last week they could win the Champions League. A Final 4 of Bayern, Real Madrid, Liverpool and Barcelona is real tasty.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 01:24:40 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on April 10, 2018, 12:45:11 AM
Bloots,

What are we thinking for tomorrow's(today's) match at Man City. I thought Klopper absolutely outcoached Pep last week. Flat out dusted him. What is the gameplan? Man City a goal and a half favorite with the goal total O/U being 3 1/2..I cannot wait and am debating banging out of work tomorrow to watch it..If the Reds play like they did last week they could win the Champions League. A Final 4 of Bayern, Real Madrid, Liverpool and Barcelona is real tasty.

I think they go and try to get one and kill the tie. If City get one early, which I think they could, things could get very interesting. It reminds me a lot of the Europa League tie against Manchester United two years ago when Liverpool won the first game 2-0 at home but knew they couldn't just defend at Old Trafford. United got one early and made things interesting, had a few chances to go up two, but then Coutinho killed the tie with his outrageous chip over De Gea just before halftime. This time it's one more goal in terms of the difference, but a similar situation in terms of winning and keeping a clean sheet in the first leg and having to go attack second leg. I could see City scoring first and Liverpool getting the equalizer but if City get two they are in big trouble. Still, while they are getting better at seeing out games and getting points in scrappy situations (being on the ropes against Everton at the weekend but getting out with the point), I don't think they are totally comfortable playing any other way but at 100 mph. All that in mind, I think they go for it. You are right that Klopp got his tactics spot on, they came out really hard, and I think City were also in awe of the European night atmosphere at Anfield and perhaps were rattled from the bus attack (behavior which was totally unacceptable). As far as Anfield goes, that is a stadium where (even with the recent Main Stand construction) the fans are right up next to the pitch, it's narrow, and it's loud. I've been there twice for afternoon Premier League games and the atmosphere is rocking then, so I can't imagine what it might be like on European nights. It certainly seems intense from all the games I've seen on television.

That being said for all of the awful defending early in the season I think they have shored up at the back recently. Not saying they are a great defensive side by any means but they aren't pulling a Lovren at Spurs every week. Van Dijk is the leader they have needed for a while and Robertson is my favorite signing of the year, he gives 100% and like I've said before doesn't get caught out like Moreno did defensively (even with Moreno's improvement this year he still has the rash side of his game). Trent A-A rebounded after a couple of bad performances with a great job on Sterling last week and while it'll be tough to go again tomorrow I think he'll take a lot of confidence from that.

Lovren (much like Moreno and Mignolet) has angered me too many times over the years with his incompetence but he is actually a half-decent defender when he plays next to a leader like van Dijk and has looked OK recently bar his awful performance at OT -- he really needs to stop doing interviews where he talks about how he's coming into good form because then he always has a mare. Just shut up Dejan. Anyway he is actually not a bad defender but is just a terrible leader. A similar player was Skrtel. If you remember from the late 2000s and early 2010s Skrtel was actually a half-decent defender when playing next to a leader like Carragher or Hyypia. It was only the season after Carra retired when he started being absolutely awful (I used to call him Martin Shirtpull) because he had to lead the back line and had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

While I am a pretty pragmatic (some may say pessimistic) person, I seem to feel like the Reds can score every time I watch them go forward. That's not to say they will, or that they do, but they attack with such pace and their interplay is so good. I'd hate to be defending against it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on April 10, 2018, 08:22:34 AM
I think that Blooter's observations are generally spot on.  This will obviously be a different match in moving from Anfield to the Etihad.  Man City is wounded after being dominated by Liverpool a week ago and then coughing up a two goal half-time lead at home to United in the derby, and they are going to be up for a very energetic performance.

Liverpool shouldn't (and frankly can't) do anything other than play their own game...counterpress from the start and look to score the first goal.  Even if City scores first, Liverpool needs to try and get back on the front foot and NOT go into a defensive shell that doesn't suit their abilities.  One worry is that Henderson will be missing and Wijnaldum comes into the midfield, but I still think it will be unlikely that City scores 3 unanswered goals and/or doesn't give up at least one to Liverpool.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on April 10, 2018, 09:26:44 AM
Things could depend a lot on whether Salah is able to play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on April 10, 2018, 09:26:44 AM
Things could depend a lot on whether Salah is able to play.

He trained Monday so I am guessing he has at least a 50% shot. That being said, still not certain, and I imagine Klopp wants to keep City in the dark as long as possible.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 11:07:24 AM
So, those of you who are also pulling for Liverpool, are you (a) glad that ManCity lost to ManUtd on the weekend to further dent their confidence, especially on the defensive side, or (b) wish they had beat ManUtd and clinched the league so they weren't a wounded (and angry) dog feeling they have something to prove and all fired up to make up for back-to-back disappointing performances?  Contrary to most opinions I've come across on the internet, I have to go with (b).  Ohh, well, it is what it is.  Just hope the Liverpool we see defensively this afternoon is the recent one not the one from last fall.  Liverpool can't let ManCity put up a couple first half goals in quick succession and grab all the momentum and confidence.  I will not be leaving work to watch it even if I could as every time this season that I have left work to watch a game in a pub, the goals have dried up.  I just follow match-tracker which seems to produce better results!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 11:07:24 AM
So, those of you who are also pulling for Liverpool, are you (a) glad that ManCity lost to ManUtd on the weekend to further dent their confidence, especially on the defensive side, or (b) wish they had beat ManUtd and clinched the league so they weren't a wounded (and angry) dog feeling they have something to prove and all fired up to make up for back-to-back disappointing performances?  Contrary to most opinions I've come across on the internet, I have to go with (b).  Ohh, well, it is what it is.  Just hope the Liverpool we see defensively this afternoon is the recent one not the one from last fall.  Liverpool can't let ManCity put up a couple first half goals in quick succession and grab all the momentum and confidence.  I will not be leaving work to watch it even if I could as every time this season that I have left work to watch a game in a pub, the goals have dried up.  I just follow match-tracker which seems to produce better results!

Interesting question. At the time of the match I was in the B camp, mostly because I might have enjoyed seeing the spectacle of City celebrating the trophy in front of United, although I would argue that the 2012 title win (even if United wasn't there) was more dramatic and elating for City fans. However, at this point, I think I'm in the A camp, as their defensive frailties were further exposed. Of course, I think they will come out a wounded animal, but I think Klopp (and other Liverpool folks) will have been heartened by that defensive display.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 11:21:32 AM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 11:07:24 AM
I will not be leaving work to watch it even if I could as every time this season that I have left work to watch a game in a pub, the goals have dried up.  I just follow match-tracker which seems to produce better results!

I usually just grab a conference room and watch on my phone (as to not leave a "paper trail" on my work Wi-Fi). ;) Unlimited data is great (even if it's not really unlimited).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 02:51:09 PM
Well, that started exactly the way I didn't want it to. Don't profess to be clairvoyant but had a feeling that would happen.

(Perhaps conveniently, I missed the goal because my stream wouldn't cooperate.)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Is it as bad as the stats make it look?  I just hope all that attacking will tire ManCity out and Liverpool will be able to score that away goal at some point.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Is it as bad as the stats make it look?  I just hope all that attacking will tire ManCity out and Liverpool will be able to score that away goal at some point.

It's pretty bad. LFC can't get out of its own half. Pretty much the polar opposite of last week. Perhaps the only positive is that they aren't 3-0 down as City were at this point in the game.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 03:29:11 PM
Gotta survive until halftime and re-group.  Better yet, snatch a counter-attack goal right before halftime!  That would help calm the nerves (mine and the teams').
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 03:29:31 PM
Bloody hell B. Silva hits the post, very close to 2-0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 03:30:08 PM
Ooof, ball is in the net but waved off! Another let-off for the Reds. Could well be 3-0.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 03:32:46 PM
Halftime, 1-0. Whew.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 03:33:47 PM
Whew!  Made it to halftime without any more damage.  And finally took a shot.  Crucial halftime talk for Klopp.  We can't afford to be pinned back and defending for another 45 minutes.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 03:33:47 PM
Whew!  Made it to halftime without any more damage.  And finally took a shot.  Crucial halftime talk for Klopp.  We can't afford to be pinned back and defending for another 45 minutes.

Ox had a decent effort right at the end of the half, Salah played him in on the right but the angle was not on and he put it high and wide. Better after a terrible first 40 minutes.

I wonder if City might be discouraged by not finding a second. No doubt they will keep pressing but that will only create more gaps to exploit, although you have to be able to possess the ball in order to do that. Hendo is a big miss in the engine room; Wijnaldum a passenger once again.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 03:58:27 PM
Away goal, Salah! 1-1!

Looked like Mane had been fouled in the box by Ederson but Salah kept his cool, dribbled the loose ball around Ederson, and lobbed it into the net. Such a cool head on his shoulders.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 04:01:11 PM
SALAH!!!!!!!!  That's exactly what we needed!  Now let's keep this from getting nerve-wracking again.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
Oooh, Bobby Fir-mi-no! Fantastic right-footed curled finish from the left wing around Ederson and in off the post.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 04:21:07 PM
Who, me?  Nervous?  Nah.  Knew we had it in the bag all the way.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 04:26:44 PM
Roma just scored a third to even it up 4-4 on aggregate with the lone away goal!  Amazing!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 04:36:50 PM
2-1 to Liverpool at the Etihad. Who would have thought that? One-sided as could be in the first half (and perhaps some luck that City didn't go further  ahead) but the second was an unbelievable display of composure at both ends of the pitch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 04:41:15 PM
Roma is through.  And everyone thought if anyone would overturn a 3-goal deficit, it would be ManCity against Liverpool. not Roma against Barca.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 10, 2018, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on April 10, 2018, 04:41:15 PM
Roma is through.  And everyone thought if anyone would overturn a 3-goal deficit, it would be ManCity against Liverpool. not Roma against Barca.

Roma deserved that, it was 3-0 but could have been more. Barcelona were awful. I don't care what the first leg score was, if you lose the second game 3-0 you can have no complaints about getting knocked out. They didn't deserve to go through.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on April 11, 2018, 04:01:23 PM
I've enjoyed reading your updates Blooter and Flying Weasel.  I had to travel yesterday but taped the Liverpool v. Man City game and watched it in its entirety last night without knowing the result in advance.  Liverpool absolutely earned their way into the Champions League semis and did it with a combination of gutty defense and timely goals from the usual suspects.

I just noted that Juventus scored twice in the first half of their game with Real Madrid and are within a goal of advancing...  This has been an exciting round of quarterfinal matches!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on April 11, 2018, 06:16:45 PM
Wow. Thoughts on the late penalty that sent Real Madrid through? I think it could be a penalty, but at 90+7 I'm not deciding the game as a referee on that foul...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: rudy on April 11, 2018, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 11, 2018, 06:16:45 PM
Wow. Thoughts on the late penalty that sent Real Madrid through? I think it could be a penalty, but at 90+7 I'm not deciding the game as a referee on that foul...

I think it was a foul. Have to call it..would most likely have been a goal if defender didn't take him down. Tough break with so little time remaining but you're playing with fire trying to defend in your box. Clear the ball out and don't make the ref have to make that decision
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on April 11, 2018, 06:33:41 PM
He didn't take him down. He did press from the back and it was a dangerous kick, but after 180+ of tie game? Don't make it about the referee in my opinion. I guarantee a foul was missed at least that bad in the other box over those 180. It always is. Just look for a corner. That's why I think it was the wrong moment to make that call.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 11, 2018, 09:01:24 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 11, 2018, 06:33:41 PM
He didn't take him down. He did press from the back and it was a dangerous kick, but after 180+ of tie game? Don't make it about the referee in my opinion. I guarantee a foul was missed at least that bad in the other box over those 180. It always is. Just look for a corner. That's why I think it was the wrong moment to make that call.

The high boot and lack of contact with the ball seemed more of a pen to me than the contact from the back, but I can see why it was given. I do think it was a shame it happened at the time it did. Also worth pointing out that Real got hosed on the Isco offsides decision — and I say this as someone who doesn't particularly care for Real or Ronaldo and his cockiness. If that goal stands maybe Juve doesn't get a second. Who knows?

That being said, while Real will be the bookies' favorites to win it all now, they are clearly not infallible on this evidence, nor were they last year IMHO when Ronado's two offsides goals got them by Bayern in ET. An absolute clanger by Navas, and I'll spare a thought for David De Gea — much as I dislike him saving United time and again, he could have won two (and maybe three if Real win this spring) CL titles if his transfer went through! Poor guy. I'm thinking Real come back in for him this summer, Navas is OK but not near De Gea's level of consistency or talent.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 25, 2018, 09:59:13 AM
If you'd said LFC would win by three goals before the game, I'd have taken it. Never say never, but even I don't think lightning is striking twice in terms of a Roma three-goal comeback — in fact, I think Liverpool can score in Rome and put the tie to bed.

That being said, after last night I think it's clear that Lovren is absolute pants and needs to go. I said a while back that he has looked better since van Dijk arrived and provided some much-needed leadership at the back — which I still believe to be true — but he still makes too many of the same mistakes to be given more chances. He is always a moment away from a screw-up and you cannot switch off like that at the highest level. If they make the final, you can bet Ronaldo or Lewandowski will be targeting him. Klopp spoke about his issues with concentration: I'd hope someone getting paid £100,000 a week would learn to concentrate. Gomez made a mistake at the weekend but he is young; Lovren should know better by now. End rant.

Anyway, Salah's first goal was an absolute banger and showed Roma what they let go. Second goal was a brilliant piece of composure and was reminiscent of his goal against City. 2 goals, 2 assists, and another brilliant display. He is on fire. Mane continues to frustrate but you can tell that he is trying. A shame that Ox got carted off but hopefully the injury isn't as bad as feared (looked terrible). Thought Milner had a good game aside from the penalty, which I think was soft but I can see why it was given. Trent and Robbo had good games on the outside, and it was great to see Bobby play so well up top, showing more of his selfless attitude in setting up Salah and finishing off another chance himself. All in all, a solid result and something to build on next week.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on April 25, 2018, 01:38:39 PM
I generally agree with your observations Blooter.  Salah is absolutely on fire this season, has deservedly won the PFA player of the year award, and has a genuine shot at the Ballon D'or.  That said, Firmino makes many of Salah's and Mane's goals possible with his incredible work rate, and skill on and off the ball.  He is the true unsung hero of this prolific offense.

And I agree that Lovren is a maddening player.  Klopp tried to pump his tires earlier in the week by describing him as the "perfect" athletic package for a center back.  He is a good athlete, but he just doesn't have the head to play at a high level for 90 minutes.  You can't teach that...either you have or you don't...and he doesn't...  Nonetheless, Van Dijk is an absolute beast and makes Lovren better than he would be alongside anyone else.

It was a bizarre emotional rollercoaster for me yesterday.  The first 25 minutes were nervy and lacked flow.  Then Liverpool began to play long balls and got into a higher gear and I felt delirium through 80 minutes.  Then the two sloppy goals conceded in the last 10 minutes left me feeling oddly deflated and a bit muted. 

Still I still think it's highly unlikely Roma will score 3 unanswered goals at the Stadio Olympico next Wednesday...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 25, 2018, 03:19:11 PM
Quote from: truenorth on April 25, 2018, 01:38:39 PM
That said, Firmino makes many of Salah's and Mane's goals possible with his incredible work rate, and skill on and off the ball.  He is the true unsung hero of this prolific offense.

Spot on. I have to say I have really evolved in terms of my feelings about Firmino playing No. 9. For a while — since Sturridge was so unreliable (whether due to physical or mental ailments) — I believed that the Reds needed to get a "real" No. 9 in the form of a Benzema, Costa, etc. who could play as part of a fluid 4-3-3 but could also serve as a target man, holding up the ball and providing an aerial threat. I was not convinced Firmino could do that, particularly against more direct sides.

That being said, he has been so good at that spot — particularly this season — that I have certainly come around to it. His workrate is unbelievable and he does a ton of "dirty work" that makes the rest of the team tick. Any shortcomings in terms of physicality or aerial ability (both of which I think he has improved) is more than offset by his pace, workrate, unselfishness, and how he has benefited the team overall.

(25 goals, 13 assists in all comps isn't bad either)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 25, 2018, 03:27:24 PM
Bayern lead against Madrid — Navas caught out at his near post again by wunderkid Joshua Kimmich! Kimmich will likely be on his way to the World Cup this summer, and a new goalkeeper simultaneously on his way to Madrid.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 25, 2018, 03:31:27 PM
Madrid gets the away goal against the run of play, Marcelo with a belter after a missed clearance. They are just unstoppable.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 25, 2018, 03:35:11 PM
Bayern with two great chances at the end of the half. As good as Madrid (and Ronaldo) are, it would seem that they have had a bit of Lady Luck on their side today.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 25, 2018, 04:02:34 PM
Madrid lead 2-1 after an awful giveaway by Rafinha sees Vazquez and Asensio break and the latter finish well. Poor from Bayern, but Los Blancos are so clinical. You can't give them chances like that.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 25, 2018, 04:08:28 PM
Navas with a couple of decent saves to preserve the advantage. Still think Madrid need to replace him.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 25, 2018, 04:59:10 PM
Madrid gets out of town with a 2-1 win but — notably — today is the first day that Ronaldo has failed to score in his last game for Real for the first time since February 9th (Bloots' birthday). 12 games in a row: that is an impressive streak, to say the least.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ejay on April 25, 2018, 05:16:08 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain to miss world cup with ligament damage.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on April 26, 2018, 07:40:56 AM
Yes, Liverpool is scarily thin in the midfield at this point.  Oxlade-Chamberlain out, Can out, and Lallana doubtful to return before the end of the season.  And I don't believe you can add to your pre-approved Champions League roster...so yeah it's a bit concerning...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on April 26, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
Uggh.  Toronto lost the CONCACAF Champions Cup on penalties last night. Lost 2-1 at home, beat Chivas 2-1 away, lost 4-2 on penalties. MLS is getting closer, but just not quite there yet. Toronto was a team that was built to compete at that level. But they have sacrificed the early part of the MLS schedule to try and win a spot at the Club World Cup and still came up just short.

A few more years, a bit more depth and money spent on that depth, and MLS will be consistently competitive with the LigaMX teams if they choose to be. The problem is what it sacrifices on the other side. Toronto's 1-4 start to the MLS season is indicative of the problem. I have no doubt they will climb the table now that they are done with the Champions League, but there just isn't enough depth in the MLS teams to do both right now. Red Bulls, who went out in the Champions League semis, had the same problem. They were throwing almost a complete second team out there in the first weeks of MLS.

Money and development. I'm a huge believer that the MLS academies, combined with club owned and directed USL teams, are going to pay off in player quality. It just takes time. The combination should also be the death knell of college soccer as a primary provider of professional players.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ejay on April 26, 2018, 11:18:26 AM
Toronto will have "no problem" vs Mexican-side Chivas and become the first Major League Soccer team to win the Concacaf Champions League. - Alexi Lalas 4/17/18. ;D ;D ;D

https://www.facebook.com/foxsports/videos/10155813100732946/
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on April 26, 2018, 11:29:54 AM
How Lalas has stuck around, in as many roles as he's stuck around, this long will forever be a mystery to me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on August 08, 2018, 12:27:25 PM
From Deadspin:

This is a complete disaster. Comcast gutting BE-IN Sport, Fox lost all Champions and Europa league games to Turner who will make these games pay per view, etc....The fat cats get obese on this one but I think Turner will be sorry...

https://deadspin.com/soccer-on-american-tv-is-going-straight-to-a-fiery-pay-1828176306
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on August 13, 2018, 07:40:35 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on August 08, 2018, 12:27:25 PM
From Deadspin:

This is a complete disaster. Comcast gutting BE-IN Sport, Fox lost all Champions and Europa league games to Turner who will make these games pay per view, etc....The fat cats get obese on this one but I think Turner will be sorry...

https://deadspin.com/soccer-on-american-tv-is-going-straight-to-a-fiery-pay-1828176306

Not a good move for the casual fan like me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 19, 2018, 12:13:49 PM
Anyone else starting to scratch their heads about the U.S. National Team Head Coach situation? I get why we waited through the USSF elections, I get why we waited out the World Cup. But we are fully into the rebuilding cycle with the next set of friendlies and it seems like there is no urgency. Getting a new coach to lead this cycle, grow these younger players, implement a system at all levels, it seems like we have reached the point where this has become important. Yet there aren't even any rumors. It seems very odd.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Goldenrj on August 19, 2018, 04:23:14 PM
I agree, now is the time to hire. After the WC most coaches are available. It has almost been a year, let's get started!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on August 19, 2018, 06:35:31 PM
If you ask folks at Cornell they will tell you that the US already have the best man for the job in Dave Sarachan.

In more of the ridiculous apparently this guy is starting his own rumors about the job...

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-david-moyes-could-become-122251855.html


I'll tell you the USSF have really turned this whole show around as we all predicted.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on August 19, 2018, 06:42:43 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on August 19, 2018, 06:35:31 PM
If you ask folks at Cornell they will tell you that the US already have the best man for the job in Dave Sarachan.

In more of the ridiculous apparently this guy is starting his own rumors about the job...

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-david-moyes-could-become-122251855.html


I'll tell you the USSF have really turned this whole show around as we all predicted.

Good grief...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on August 20, 2018, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 19, 2018, 12:13:49 PM
Anyone else starting to scratch their heads about the U.S. National Team Head Coach situation? I get why we waited through the USSF elections, I get why we waited out the World Cup. But we are fully into the rebuilding cycle with the next set of friendlies and it seems like there is no urgency. Getting a new coach to lead this cycle, grow these younger players, implement a system at all levels, it seems like we have reached the point where this has become important. Yet there aren't even any rumors. It seems very odd.

It may not be quite so odd, if there is sentiment to hire a MLS coach like Tata Martino, as that season still has several more months to play out.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on August 24, 2018, 09:25:04 AM
With LFC's good start to the season further enhanced by Monday night's 2-0 win at Crystal Palace — never an easy ground to go to, particularly on a weeknight (I was there last year when Palace destroyed Arsenal 3-0 on a Monday night) — I am hoping that Gomez can keep his place at center back alongside van Dijk. Virgil played like a colossus and was deservedly Man of the Match, but I thought Gomez was excellent as well. He is only 21, and occasionally makes mistakes, but — unlike Lovren — he is young and still has time to improve that part of his game, whereas Lovren is in the prime of his career and still suffers from not-so-inconsistent brain farts. As for Gomez, I think he's got loads of potential — good pace, tackling, and strength — and, much like the rest of the LFC defense, looks quite comfortable playing in a defense led by Virgil. And I found an interview (https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tour-2018/308801-joe-gomez-virgil-van-dijk) where Gomez describes him as a "big brother," providing further example that team bonding and kinship between younger and older players exists even at the professional level.

Of course, Lovren and Matip will both return at some point, and the former will look to regain his starting position alongside VVD, but Klopp showed with Robertson last year that once a player gets into the team and performs well that it's his spot to lose. I thought Moreno had started the season well and suffered an unfortunate injury which kept him out for a month, but I am still glad that Robertson took his place in the team, as I still feel Moreno has the rash side to his game. The Sevilla game was no doubt a special case, as, in addition to it being his former club, he had the mental scars of the 2016 UEL Final and was no doubt targeted by them, but I still feel that Robertson is less prone to rash challenges and getting caught out of position, and I'm thrilled to see he's picked up where he left off last year.

There will no doubt be need for rotation, but I am hopeful that Gomez can nail down that No. 2 CB spot as his own. Hopefully he can put in a good performance tomorrow so I don't look silly for writing this diatribe.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on August 24, 2018, 12:51:14 PM
Blooter, I am a huge Liverpool fan as you may recall.  Both of my sons, who are Man United fans, dragged me into the EPL and told me I needed to get with the program.  I initially adopted Liverpool because I'm a Red Sox fan and they have Fenway Sports Group as their owner in common.

Boy, did I make a great choice!  In the approximately seven years I've been following Liverpool I've never been more excited as a fan than I am now!  And I think your assessment of their defensive players is astute.  Spending 75M pounds on a center back seemed absurd this past January, but in today's inflationary world Van Dyke has proven to be worth every penny (or pence).  He is an absolute stud, as both an athlete and a leader.  Gomez is going to grow under Van Dyke's mentorship and they make a better pairing than Van Dyke and Lovren.

Regarding the left back position, Robertson is clearly better and more reliable than Moreno.  I like Moreno's personality, but his M.O. is to bomb down the field, then get caught out and flail with his body when there's a counter attack.  Robertson is a cool customer and very good defending as well as in the attack.

And while I'm gushing, let's not ignore Alisson.  He is a world class keeper with a complete game.  He is a light year ahead of both Mignolet and Karius.  It will be fun to see if Liverpool can mount a legitimate challenge to an outstanding Man City side as the season unfolds.  I'm betting they can and will...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on August 24, 2018, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: truenorth on August 24, 2018, 12:51:14 PM
It will be fun to see if Liverpool can mount a legitimate challenge to an outstanding Man City side as the season unfolds.  I'm betting they can and will...

Looks like we will find out on October 7 how LFC and MCFC compare . . .  Definitely looking forward to that one.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on August 24, 2018, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: truenorth on August 24, 2018, 12:51:14 PM
Blooter, I am a huge Liverpool fan as you may recall.  Both of my sons, who are Man United fans, dragged me into the EPL and told me I needed to get with the program.  I initially adopted Liverpool because I'm a Red Sox fan and they have Fenway Sports Group as their owner in common.
I do remember you saying that. On the one hand, it's tempting to call them bandwagoners, but on the other hand, MU were really at the forefront of the commercial expansion of the EPL into the USA in the 90s, and were likely the team on TV during the late 90s and early 2000s. They were certainly the first team I knew of, and I was far from a soccer fan at that point. When I first learned of Liverpool back in 2004 (and that was only when I went across the pond to visit relatives) I remember feeling like a soccer hipster: I came back to middle school wearing the LFC home jersey I'd been given — I thought nobody back in the states would know who my family's local team was — and quickly found out that I was mistaken.

And who knows? But for my father's second cousin in Lancashire taking us to Anfield when I was there, I may well have had other allegiances when coming around to soccer. (Incidentally, another one of my relatives in the same village is a United fan, but I don't know him as well.)

Quote from: truenorth on August 24, 2018, 12:51:14 PM
Boy, did I make a great choice!  In the approximately seven years I've been following Liverpool I've never been more excited as a fan than I am now!  And I think your assessment of their defensive players is astute.  Spending 75M pounds on a center back seemed absurd this past January, but in today's inflationary world Van Dyke has proven to be worth every penny (or pence).  He is an absolute stud, as both an athlete and a leader.  Gomez is going to grow under Van Dyke's mentorship and they make a better pairing than Van Dyke and Lovren.
You must have come in right around the club's nadir, when it almost went bankrupt in 2010. Of course, I was barely 18 when that happened — old enough to understand LFC was up s**t's creek, but not engaged enough to understand the potential consequences — and that really was a watershed moment.

It's interesting to think back on FSG's time in charge. They've only won one trophy in seven years, but I think all told have had a net positive effect that looks to keep growing. They came in and tried to run the club like an MLB club, using moneyball and identifying up-and-coming talent, and while they got it right on a few occasions they most certainly got it wrong on a number of others. The investment of £35 million in Andy Carroll and choosing to spend the Suarez money on five decent players rather than two standouts stand out (no pun intended) in particular. Recently, though, they've gotten it fantastically right, and that £75 million on van Dijk (no doubt inflated) has certainly been proved money well spent. The biggest differences are, I think: 1. They've come to understand it's better to buy a couple star players rather than six decent players (LFC's previous execs of David Moores/Rick Parry were also guilty of the latter) and 2. Klopp's pull — and having Champions League football — is certainly bigger than Rodgers' was. If Klopp wants a player, they'll move mountains to make it happen, because they trust his eye for talent and that said player wants to come rather than having to have Gerrard send texts to potential (long-shot) targets as Rodgers did.

There has certainly been less silverware than we'd all like, but I feel like the club is the most "stable" its been in that time — both in terms of the team's results, the first 11, and the subs' bench: Even when LFC was in the 13-14 title race, they were defensively a shambles and almost seemed to be barreling out of control like a runaway train — they could win 4-3 or lose 4-3. Moreover, getting and keeping players who were UCL caliber was far from the given that it appears to be today, as that team definitely overachieved, largely in part to Suarez, who left that summer. Salah's signing of a new contract gave the club at least one more year of his services, and I think it's commendable (and telling) that he felt good enough about being at LFC to sign a new deal even when Real came calling.

Last week, when Mane scored the second against West Ham right before half I remember having an odd feeling — that we would be able to see out a 2-0 lead! Amazing what £75 million does.

Quote from: truenorth on August 24, 2018, 12:51:14 PM
Regarding the left back position, Robertson is clearly better and more reliable than Moreno.  I like Moreno's personality, but his M.O. is to bomb down the field, then get caught out and flail with his body when there's a counter attack.  Robertson is a cool customer and very good defending as well as in the attack.
When Robertson made his debut against Palace (at home) last fall, he was very much second-choice, but I remember being intrigued to see him even before the match. I felt like he was more composed even if not quite the same going forward. He had a fantastic game that day, and — not only is he defensively superior to Moreno — he's been equally threatening going forward. The combinations he creates with Mane are almost telepathic at times — and he has a great attitude.

Quote from: truenorth on August 24, 2018, 12:51:14 PM
And while I'm gushing, let's not ignore Alisson.  He is a world class keeper with a complete game.  He is a light year ahead of both Mignolet and Karius.  It will be fun to see if Liverpool can mount a legitimate challenge to an outstanding Man City side as the season unfolds.  I'm betting they can and will...
Yes. When they signed him I finally felt like the squad was "complete" and could actually talk about a title challenge versus yet another top 4 finish. VVD has shored things up defensively a ton since January, but a goalkeeper like that instills confidence in the back line. Of course, no 'keeper is perfect, but, unlike was the case with Mignolet and Karius, I don't get the heebie-jeebies every time another team gets a ball in our half with Alisson in net.

Quote from: 1970s NESCAC Player on August 24, 2018, 01:04:04 PM
Looks like we will find out on October 7 how LFC and MCFC compare . . .  Definitely looking forward to that one.
I still feel like City has more depth beyond the first 11, and would still consider them to be favorites, but LFC is certainly right there. Klopp has won the last 3 head-to-head against Guardiola, so I think he has their number head-to-head. Then again, City thumped Liverpool 5-0 at the Etihad last year, so they are certainly capable of getting results. The question is sustaining a solid level of production over the course of a full season. Again, I would still consider City favorites, but if LFC can get some luck with injuries, who knows? Regardless, it should be a fun season to watch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on August 24, 2018, 04:37:17 PM
Good insights Blooter.  I should also mention that my very same sons who are Man U fans were guests in the sky box at Anfield last season.for Liverpool's heart thumping 4-3 win over Man City.  They have a buddy (Yarmouth, ME boy) who works in the promotions department of Etihad and gets preferential tickets to any Man City game.  I was so damn jealous my boys were sitting there in person...eating and drinking catered food and beer...while I had to watch the match on TV...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on August 24, 2018, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: truenorth on August 24, 2018, 04:37:17 PM
Good insights Blooter.  I should also mention that my very same sons who are Man U fans were guests in the sky box at Anfield last season.for Liverpool's heart thumping 4-3 win over Man City.  They have a buddy (Yarmouth, ME boy) who works in the promotions department of Etihad and gets preferential tickets to any Man City game.  I was so damn jealous my boys were sitting there in person...eating and drinking catered food and beer...while I had to watch the match on TV...

Wow! The second time I went to Anfield — after being a fan for 7 years — we had tickets to one of the Premier Lounges, the Shanky Lounge, inside the stadium for beers before the game and during halftime, while our seats were in the Centenary Stand (now known as the Kenny Dalglish Stand). That's as close to high society as I'll ever get — being in a box is another level!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on September 24, 2018, 08:14:15 PM
First time since 2007 that someone not named Messi or Ronaldo wins the FIFA PoY award: it's Modric. Glad to see the Croatian magician get his due.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: TyWebb on December 03, 2018, 08:51:10 AM
Did anyone catch the ending to the Merseyside Derby yesterday? What a finish for Liverpool! Imho, I think Pickford
thought he could catch the service (if you could call it that) from van Dijk and the ball carried on him and then he just got caught
in no man's land not knowing what to do with it. Curious to hear other's take on it.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on December 03, 2018, 09:02:51 AM
More excited the U.S. actually announced a coach. Granted it's one that has been suspected for the last 12 months of aimless wandering, but perhaps now we can actually make a plan and start moving forward. I don't have a problem with Berhalter, but he definitely has some chops to prove at this level though no more so than any other American.

It will be interesting to see how he does developing the young talent.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on December 03, 2018, 09:36:08 AM
Quote from: TyWebb on December 03, 2018, 08:51:10 AM
Did anyone catch the ending to the Merseyside Derby yesterday? What a finish for Liverpool! Imho, I think Pickford
thought he could catch the service (if you could call it that) from van Dijk and the ball carried on him and then he just got caught
in no man's land not knowing what to do with it. Curious to hear other's take on it.

I am a Liverpool fan of about seven years now.  My two sons (who were both college soccer players) are Man U fans.  I'm almost feeling sorry for them at this moment in time...

I did see yesterday's Merseyside derby.  As a Liverpool fan, I was feeling frustrated as the clock was winding down and the boys had generated some great attacks but simply couldn't finish...  I was prepared for a draw, and frankly that would have been a fair result for both sides...

Then, the unimaginable!  That was simply a weird one-in-a-million play.  Van Dyke completely miss hit it, the ball had a very unusual arc and spin to it and it just happened to drop at a steep angle toward the top of the bar.  I think it was one of those moments where it was so unusual, that Pickford didn't quite know how to react.  It was easy for the announcers to say that he simply should have pushed it over the bar, but he was doing his best to react to a very weird ball.

What a whacky and amazing turn of events as stoppage time was running out...resulting in Liverpool taking 3 points rather than just the 1.  As a Liverpool fan, I felt giddy and undeserving all at the same time...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 03, 2018, 09:41:17 AM
Quote from: TyWebb on December 03, 2018, 08:51:10 AM
Did anyone catch the ending to the Merseyside Derby yesterday? What a finish for Liverpool! Imho, I think Pickford
thought he could catch the service (if you could call it that) from van Dijk and the ball carried on him and then he just got caught
in no man's land not knowing what to do with it. Curious to hear other's take on it.

I was watching but switched away at the very end as -- despite knowing that it ain't over 'til it's over -- I did not want to watch the final whistle of (what would have been) a disappointing 0-0 for the Reds. You can imagine my surprise when I got the live update about the goal. Having watched it again I think that's probably an accurate take on it; he would have been trying to prevent the corner but as truenorth pointed out it was a wacky ball: not a hard shot by any means, but it had a trajectory vastly different to most high services into the box. Also, as my Chelsea fan friend pointed out his relative height (6'0") didn't help him there. I'm not suggesting that he doesn't have the height to be a PL goalkeeper -- Thibaut Courtois' height jab after the Januzaj goal was dumb and half-baked -- but I think an extra inch or two could have helped.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 03, 2018, 09:57:03 AM
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the North London Derby...I was more interested in the Merseyside Derby for rooting interests, but that was a heck of game on its own! Momentum swings, a penalty apiece (some would say that Mike Dean is more interested in making headlines than in being a neutral arbiter), and just general drama.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 04, 2018, 03:53:47 PM
As I sit here on Tuesday afternoon watching "the football..." (https://www.facebook.com/BBCRadio4/videos/vb.401538510458/10155815043901778/?type=2&theater&comment_id=10155898798011778&reply_comment_id=10155901059736778&notif_t=video_reply&notif_id=1543842669277313)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 16, 2018, 06:52:57 PM
Have a day, Reds! One of the biggest regular seasons win for Klopp, who broke his Jose duck.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on December 17, 2018, 08:55:21 AM
Soundly thrashing Man U was a definitely a monkey off Klopp's back.  I was driving back from a day of skiing at Sunday River on Saturday with my two sons, who are long-time Man U fans.  A heated argument broke out as to the primary cause of Man U's woes...is it ownership, the front office, Mourinho, etc?  It was both amusing, but also a little sad, to hear the angst that is currently befalling Man U fans...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 17, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: truenorth on December 17, 2018, 08:55:21 AM
Soundly thrashing Man U was a definitely a monkey off Klopp's back.  I was driving back from a day of skiing at Sunday River on Saturday with my two sons, who are long-time Man U fans.  A heated argument broke out as to the primary cause of Man U's woes...is it ownership, the front office, Mourinho, etc?  It was both amusing, but also a little sad, to hear the angst that is currently befalling Man U fans...

Must have been a fun car ride! ;)

I've had similar conversations with my old roommate who is a United fan...perhaps a surprise given our allegiances, but we lived together for two years and it worked because he is one of the reasonable United fans who doesn't make excuses when they lose (as I try not to when LFC aren't doing well). Ultimately I think it's a bunch of things. Mourinho, I think, is the biggest current culprit. He certainly hasn't helped the situation with the style of football. His tactical approach is uninspiring if not outdated, and, while he looks like a genius when he picks up a point (or three) at Anfield, doing so while showing zero ambition is always risky: as I often say "parking the bus works great until the other team scores." Liverpool's second and third goals were fortunate in the deflections but they deserved their luck IMHO given that they dominated play...and regardless of how good a team is at parking the bus, the teams that show ambition by having the ball in the opponent's half are liable to benefit from deflections/bounces/etc. in their opposing penalty area (worth noting that United's goal was rather fortunate, as well, even if not deflected). Anyway, he's clearly not getting the best out of his set of players: aside from De Gea and maybe Rashford, I don't think any United player is playing to his potential. Moreover, his man-management has been bizarre if not ineffective, and leaving Pogba on the bench when they were chasing the game didn't make much sense to me. Finally, his inability to blame himself in any situation -- instead blaming his players -- when they haven't played well runs counter to the other leading managerial minds in the game.

Ed Woodward does deserve some blame for his ineptness in the transfer market -- both not signing a CB this summer (Chris Smalling is Man Utd's equivalent of Martin Skrtel...can impress occasionally but overall not good enough for his club) and going after players for their commercial potential rather than ability to fit the system (such as Sanchez, who -- regardless of how much Mourinho is keeping him back -- is selfish and petulant). However, in his defense, he has given Jose plenty of cash since arriving, which has been spent poorly (for every Diogo Dalot there is a Fred sitting on the bench). I don't know as much about the specifics of the Glazers, but I do know that they are incredibly unpopular for a number of reasons, such as taking on a large amount of debt when buying the club. United overall have not gotten it right since Fergie left -- I do agree that having Chief Executive David Gill leave at the same time didn't help -- and while Mourinho's CV and results have been superior to Moyes and Van Gaal (neither of whom was right for United), his "third season syndrome" is starting to rear its ugly head...all the while failing to win the title in the second season as he did everywhere else (to be fair, City were imperious last year, so they deserve some credit for being the best of the rest).

Having been a Liverpool fan during some seriously "down" years (e.g. 2009-10 and 2010-11) I can't say I feel "bad" for United fans. They have enjoyed more than their share of success over the years. However, I do sympathize with those who feel that change is needed -- both on the touchline and in the boardroom.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on December 18, 2018, 08:17:17 AM
I think you've touched on just about all the pertinent points Blooter.  Man U's mediocre performance level on the pitch is a byproduct of all of the factors you cite.  One of my sons puts more of the blame on ownership and front office, while the other puts more of the blame on Mourinho.  But I think we can all agree that it's a combination of all of these things that has dragged the performance level down from the Sir Alex glory years.  Hey, like Man U, the Yankees apparently had a good run as well a bunch of years ago...  ;)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on December 18, 2018, 08:26:24 AM
Just after I wrote my previous post, I read that Mourinho has just been sacked.  Well...we'll now see how a new manager fares with the same talent and the same management and front office group...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on June 01, 2019, 09:43:30 PM
YNWA! Honestly this Liverpool team was too good to not win a trophy this year. Hats off to Klopp and the players.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on June 03, 2019, 07:56:07 AM
I am an absolutely delighted Liverpool fan!  It was not a pretty or well played Champions League final, but Liverpool were fully deserving of the hardware.  It was truly amazing to see how their defense was transformed from shaky to arguably the best in European football in a single year.  The signings of Van Dyke and Allison may have had a little to do with that...  YNWA, and long may this group reign among the European elite!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 19, 2019, 12:15:35 AM
Watching Gyassi Zardes play for the national team explains much of what is wrong with U.S. soccer. His goal, however, was perfect. Inept at anything that was played to him, but bounce one randomly and unexpectedly off his face and it goes right in.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: franklyspeaking on June 19, 2019, 12:15:32 PM
There must be a better solution than Zardes, must be.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on June 19, 2019, 01:13:21 PM
I think Altidore is the better current option but he is still rounding into game shape and appears to have picked up a knock, again, otherwise he would have started last night. Unfortunately, our striker pool is very, very limited. Lot of hopes being pinned on Josh Sargent, but he's really young and camp did not go well for him. Timothy Weah is also very young and more likely a wing than a striker. Like Sargent, he needs more playing time. Soto had a good U20 World Cup, but calling him young and inexperienced is an understatement and really this U20 WC was his first shining moment.

Now that the foreign based youth contingent is basically covered, you move to some more common names. Jordan Morris had his 15 minutes and injury has really taken any momentum he had, but there is always a hope he can round back into form. He is only 24. Bobby Wood at 26 is languishing. He needs a new team and some game time and hopefully to build some momentum that seems long gone. Has anyone heard from Aron Johansson lately? Terrance Boyd is sitting behind Altidore on Toronto's bench and hasn't been any good since 2014.

And then there are the ones few have heard of. Ebobisse with the Timbers is having a good season at 22. He might be part of the U23 efforts. Rubio Rubin at 24 might still progress if he ever finds somewhere to get on the dang field. Novakovich is floating around the Eredivisie but I don't think anyone really thinks he's national team caliber, except for the fact that no one else is either.

I'm probably missing a few, but the cupboard is not real full. That's why Zardes and Altidore are still out there. I'm not as down on Altidore as most people are. I think he's a very serviceable target forward, though not flashy. His work rate is good. His first touch is generally a problem. But he is nowhere near the brickfoot Zardes continually proves himself to be. And he doesn't disappear or get muscled off the ball. But he is only a target forward. Zardes, when he wants to, can make distracting runs and has better speed. Of course as soon as you pass the ball to Zardes you can count on him blowing it, but he does make a better distraction than Altidore.

Who else am I missing? Looks pretty bleak.

Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 08, 2019, 11:51:19 AM
I'm not a knowledgeable fan.  But why did the US look so good in the first half of the Gold Cup final and so lost in the second half.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 08, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 08, 2019, 11:51:19 AM
I'm not a knowledgeable fan.  But why did the US look so good in the first half of the Gold Cup final and so lost in the second half.

Mexico made some very good adjustments, ours didn't work out so well. Berhalter has some learning to do, just like the younger members of the team. I did like seeing us hungry again. That was a change from the end of the last WC cycle. But we need to put away our chances. Both teams had them last night. Mexico put one of theirs away, we choked on ours.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on July 08, 2019, 03:29:20 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: OldNed on July 24, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
I'm watching the Liverpool/Sporting CP game from Yankee Stadium tonight, and I don't know if it's me, but that field looks REALLY narrow.  It's really shocking because there is absolutely no room between players like you normally see in the EPL or other European leagues.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Caz Bombers on July 24, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: OldNed on July 24, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
I'm watching the Liverpool/Sporting CP game from Yankee Stadium tonight, and I don't know if it's me, but that field looks REALLY narrow.  It's really shocking because there is absolutely no room between players like you normally see in the EPL or other European leagues.

it's certainly not you, they can't fit a fully sized field/pitch inside Yankee Stadium. It was only supposed to be a temporary home for NYCFC as they pursued land elsewhere in the city, but plans for a different site in the Bronx as well as Queens and I believe Inwood have all been shut down by local officials. Sounds like they'll have to make due with YS 3.0 for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ejay on July 24, 2019, 09:18:03 PM
Yankee Stadium is supposedly 110x70 - league minimum, but I recall reading an article about a visiting coach who walked it off and it was something like 106x68. In fact, I don't think the press are allowed on the field anymore for this very reason.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on July 25, 2019, 08:39:29 AM
I saw the game as well as a number of comments about the narrow pitch, so I'm not surprised by the dimensions. I was at the game at Fenway on Sunday and the pitch looked a bit narrow but not as narrow as the pitch last night.

Pretty sure I've said this before, but all three pre-season games I've seen LFC play (at Fenway) they've lost, while both PL games I've seen (at Anfield) they've won. Not fun seeing them lose every time they're here but I'd rather see them win the countable games as they have. Still, a fun experience to see them play in person. Not been a great pre-season but I am optimistic that the return of the front three and Alisson will improve things — Mignolet reminded everyone why he's the backup. Still think another signing or two (a #10 and some cover for the front three) would be ideal.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on July 25, 2019, 03:23:29 PM
NYCFC playing in Yankee Stadium has always been an embarrassment. MLS grabbed for cash and name recognition at the expense of the game. Every other expansion team has to have a plan in motion for a soccer stadium. NYCFC was a nasty and pathetic move. The fact they still can't get anything done is miserable and every team hates playing there. Such a completely avoidable mess that was caused by nothing but greed.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on July 26, 2019, 07:35:20 AM
First, regarding Liverpool...I'm fine with them losing meaningless friendlies while test driving younger players...as long as they put their game faces on when the real games start...  Also, I'd like to see another left back to back up Robertson.  I'm less concerned about attacking players...assuming Keita and Oxlade-Chamberlain get back to full health.

And I hear you on the issues with NYCFC and an overly narrow pitch.  There has been a similar issue in Boston forever...the Revs play at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro...which is a complete joke.  The billionaire Kraft family can't seem to pull the trigger on a real estate deal in or near downtown Boston.  If/when a soccer specific stadium is sited downtown, that will make all the difference...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on July 26, 2019, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: EB2319 on July 24, 2019, 09:18:03 PM
Yankee Stadium is supposedly 110x70 - league minimum, but I recall reading an article about a visiting coach who walked it off and it was something like 106x68. In fact, I don't think the press are allowed on the field anymore for this very reason.

Looks like 68 yards from the eye test...  anytime you want to realistically guess, just use the distance of the hash mark to edge of penalty area + 64 yards

Does anyone out there believe its 3 yards on either side?  Never really looked like it to me.





Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on November 23, 2019, 11:01:14 AM
While I am waiting how bout Spurs this morning...That 3-0 lead included some unreal goals....

Finishing up watching Bayern just dominating Dusseldorf 4-0...I cannot believe Bayern's struggles because today they look real good
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Michel Bernstini on November 26, 2019, 01:13:41 PM
Champions League day...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: hiyasoccer on December 07, 2019, 12:41:58 PM
How about this manchester derby as a warm up to the championship match? Could see a lot of goals. Good tempo to the start, love the looks of United on the counter.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 08, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
Pep is under the gun right now....They have given up something like 20 goals already compared to like 8 at this time last year...Difference for me is Vincent Kompany.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 08, 2019, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on December 08, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
Pep is under the gun right now....They have given up something like 20 goals already compared to like 8 at this time last year...Difference for me is Vincent Kompany.

Laporte being out hasn't helped either – he was in the PFA team of the year at center back with van Dijk last year so he's legit.

In PL-related D3 news, saw the Tufts presser from the Sweet 16 when Lane mentioned channeling his inner Alex Iwobi. Shapiro and Tasker guffawed – I got a kick out of it too.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 09, 2019, 05:58:30 AM
I cede to Bloots on this one as I am more of a Bundesliga fan but will always watch any Pep coached side.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on December 09, 2019, 07:41:52 PM
I'm an unabashed Liverpool fan, and I can't recall whether Blooter is as well.  At any rate, in my admittedly biased view, Jurgen Klopp's coaching influence has been every bit as inspiring as Pep's, if not more so, over the past couple of years...
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: hiyasoccer on December 09, 2019, 10:27:18 PM
I'm no Liverpool supporter by any means, but Klopp easily deserves the most praise of any Premier league manager to me over the last 3 or so years. And don't forget to include the other people involved in their transfer and recruitment strategy, who have worked well with Klopp to build a squad suited to his style - though it was important that he actually had time to build that squad, which many managers these days don't seem to be afforded. And maybe it's my Liverpool-hater, but I doubt a number of his players are as good as they've looked in his side, but he's managed his personnel and system well to hide their deficiencies. I mean what other Champions league contenders are Jordan Henderson and James Milner playing regularly for? No hate - I've loved Milner since his City days. Oh, and his system itself very effective.

Pep's City sides confuse me sometimes. United played an excellent game, but City played poor one. Angelino at LB seemed horrible, and they still seem dependent on Aguero to provide goals. Team defending was meh. I know Pep likes to have his teams high press and win the ball back high up the pitch, but he seemed to leave a makeshift back line that was clearly his teams weak point very exposed whenever the pressed failed. They might have been okay with Pique and Mascherano and co in the back line, but Stones and Fernandinho and angelino are not them and couldn't bail out their team (though Rodrigo did look impressive).

I think basically what I'm saying about City is this - their style necessitates a lot of excellent last-ditch and recovery defending to stop counter attacks, for which you need talented defenders who are good at such things. With the injuries to their back line and already mediocre depth their, it's causing a major problem because good defenders simply won't cut it - you need great ones. And they're not being helped by the press being in my eyes mediocre... Bernardo Silva particularly irked me on that front.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 10, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
Quote from: truenorth on December 09, 2019, 07:41:52 PM
I'm an unabashed Liverpool fan, and I can't recall whether Blooter is as well.  At any rate, in my admittedly biased view, Jurgen Klopp's coaching influence has been every bit as inspiring as Pep's, if not more so, over the past couple of years...

Affirmative on both accounts, acknowledging my own bias as well. I still admire Guardiola — though admittedly I didn't think a ton of him after he unsuccessfully tried to turn Bayern into Barcelona (particularly when the treble-winning 2013 Bayern team had been so successful playing an attack-minded, direct, physical style) — but to come to the Premier League and rack up 100 points was no doubt impressive. 98 points the season after was also really impressive. Even so, Klopp's 97-point haul showed a level of consistency with his teams that I never really expected, and winning the Champions League got a big monkey ("Klopp never wins finals") off his back. I think the current side, who was mentally tough even before that Final (e.g. Barcelona at home) now has the added confidence of knowing they can win things, and I think that's what we've seen with them kicking on this year.

Quote from: hiyasoccer on December 09, 2019, 10:27:18 PM
I'm no Liverpool supporter by any means, but Klopp easily deserves the most praise of any Premier league manager to me over the last 3 or so years. And don't forget to include the other people involved in their transfer and recruitment strategy, who have worked well with Klopp to build a squad suited to his style - though it was important that he actually had time to build that squad, which many managers these days don't seem to be afforded. And maybe it's my Liverpool-hater, but I doubt a number of his players are as good as they've looked in his side, but he's managed his personnel and system well to hide their deficiencies. I mean what other Champions league contenders are Jordan Henderson and James Milner playing regularly for? No hate - I've loved Milner since his City days. Oh, and his system itself very effective.

I agree with you about the shared success of Klopp and the recruitment team, and that it needed time. The urge of the modern football club is to pull the trigger when things go bad, and while you get the new-manager bump it is unsustainable long-term, so the fact that FSG has stuck with him through times when results have been questionable and it didn't appear they were going anywhere developmentally (e.g. Fall 2017 and all the 3-3 draws) was admirable. As for FSG, when they first came in they (much like the previous top brass) were more interested in buying a number of good bargains rather than a couple of real stars; this in part seemed a function of Liverpool's lack of CL football but also on just generally misguided strategy IMHO. The Suarez reinvestment was a disaster, and perhaps the most successful purchase of that summer came in the form of Lovren, who — everyone being fit — is the 4th-choice CB. You could say that the switch started with the transfer of Firmino but I really think it came when they bought Mane; I said he was good, but worth 25 million rather than 30; now he's worth 100+ (acknowledging that Neymar broke the transfer market in the interim). From day 1 he was a game-changer and showed the value of spending big money on good players rather than buying a bunch of young guys for 5-10 million and hoping they show insane development. They seem to have continued that approach now, but it took a bit for the approach to change.

I also agree that Klopp helps his players maximize their potential (e.g. Henderson and Milner) and masks their deficiencies. Ultimately, that's what good coaches do, but it's much easier said than done. I think the Liverpool fanbase has taken a while to warm up to both of the aforementioned, and I am not a fan of any midfield with both of them in it, but I think they can both do a job and help the team get over the line. As for the style, I think the fact that they can win games any number of ways is immensely helpful — in possession, set pieces, on the counter, crosses, etc. — and while gegenpressing seems to be at the root of most of it Klopp's willingness to adapt tactically (and personnel-wise, as seen with the Everton and Bournemouth games) showcases a tactical nous that perhaps many haven't associated with the charismatic German.

In addition to being somewhat of a cynic in general, I've seen Liverpool blow enough things over my lifetime — I was even certain they were going to find a way to lose the CL final until Origi's second goal — so I'm not getting ahead in terms of their current position. They could well go out of the Champions League this afternoon, and a drop into the Europa League could be detrimental to their title charge, as the Thursday/Sunday combo is not easy. That said, the combination of attacking dynamism and defensive resiliency (much has been made of their goals conceded this year, and rightly so, but they're still 3rd-best in the League in that department so it's not exactly like the Skrtel/Moreno chucklehead days) really makes for an exciting team to watch, and their ruthlessness and mentality has been on display on more than one occasion this year.

Quote from: hiyasoccer on December 09, 2019, 10:27:18 PM
Pep's City sides confuse me sometimes. United played an excellent game, but City played poor one. Angelino at LB seemed horrible, and they still seem dependent on Aguero to provide goals. Team defending was meh. I know Pep likes to have his teams high press and win the ball back high up the pitch, but he seemed to leave a makeshift back line that was clearly his teams weak point very exposed whenever the pressed failed. They might have been okay with Pique and Mascherano and co in the back line, but Stones and Fernandinho and angelino are not them and couldn't bail out their team (though Rodrigo did look impressive).

The thing about Pep is that I think he truly believes that his side — when their Plan A works — can overpower any team. Given his success, I can 100% understand that. That being said, it can't work every time, and there are times when perhaps a more nuanced approach would be better, as perhaps would have been the case on Saturday. United were at it, no doubt, and could have been 3 or 4 up. That said, I wonder how Pep walked into that trap. Being without Aguero and Laporte (the latter long-term, for sure) for that game is always going to make it tougher, but he played right into Solskjaer's hands by playing such a high line. Interestingly with the latter, his teams seem to play well on the counter against big sides but have trouble fashioning openings when in possession, which will be something for them to work on (I don't necessarily buy that they "don't get up" for the smaller teams, but rather they lack the creativity to break down low blocks, particularly without Pogba). Rodri does look like a good buy and perhaps his only mistake this year was revealing the truth about tactical fouls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_gaffe#Kinsley_gaffe). ;)

The United-Liverpool game at Old Trafford this fall was similar in terms of who the better team on the day was. United played arguably their best game of the season — they were always going to turn up for that regardless of their position — and Liverpool one of their worst, and perhaps the current Reds do have a bit of an OT mental block, but they still managed to avoid defeat. Given all of that, and the fact that Liverpool looked nowhere near equalizing for most of that game, I was pleased with that point, and given United's success against the top 6 it looks even better in hindsight.

Quote from: hiyasoccer on December 09, 2019, 10:27:18 PM
I think basically what I'm saying about City is this - their style necessitates a lot of excellent last-ditch and recovery defending to stop counter attacks, for which you need talented defenders who are good at such things. With the injuries to their back line and already mediocre depth their, it's causing a major problem because good defenders simply won't cut it - you need great ones. And they're not being helped by the press being in my eyes mediocre... Bernardo Silva particularly irked me on that front.

Personnel is really important, and I think you also made a similar point with mentioning Pique and Mascherano: if you want to be long-term successful playing an expansive style then you need top-class talent in defense and defensive midfield. I keep going back to the injury to Laporte; I think he's as good as van Dijk. Anyway, you can play expansively with a guy like that who thinks a step ahead of everyone, but it's tougher when you want to play the same style with players who aren't at that level. Not trying to keep making this about Liverpool, but even with the number of goals conceded this year, I think about how many goals it would be without van Dijk! Silva was not great, but I'll give him a pass since he is usually excellent and would be the one City player (even more than any of the front three) that I'd love to have in the Liverpool team (five years ago, I would have picked the other (David) Silva).

Meant to respond in shorter form, but turned into an essay. Guess that means the PL is fun to watch.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: truenorth on December 11, 2019, 04:22:40 PM
I appreciate the very insightful and detailed observations about the styles, strengths and weaknesses of Liverpool and City.  Again, with all admitted bias, I agree Laporte is very good, but I don't put him in the same class as Van Dijk...who is extra terrestrial when it comes to size, athleticism, aerial prowess, reading of the game, long pinpoint passes...not to mention his calming influence and command of the box.  I had a lot of (delayed) anticipation when Klopp went after Van Dijk, and I have not been disappointed.  Among a number of recently added difference makers (e.g. Mane, Salah, Alisson, and even Roberston), Van Dijk is the single biggest difference maker in what has become a remarkably dominant and resilient side over the past two years.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on December 11, 2019, 07:40:15 PM
Quote from: truenorth on December 11, 2019, 04:22:40 PM
I appreciate the very insightful and detailed observations about the styles, strengths and weaknesses of Liverpool and City.  Again, with all admitted bias, I agree Laporte is very good, but I don't put him in the same class as Van Dijk...who is extra terrestrial when it comes to size, athleticism, aerial prowess, reading of the game, long pinpoint passes...not to mention his calming influence and command of the box.  I had a lot of (delayed) anticipation when Klopp went after Van Dijk, and I have not been disappointed.  Among a number of recently added difference makers (e.g. Mane, Salah, Alisson, and even Roberston), Van Dijk is the single biggest difference maker in what has become a remarkably dominant and resilient side over the past two years.

Fair enough — should have clarified I meant primarily in a defensive positioning/technique sense. van Dijk's athleticism (particularly pace!) and ability on the ball are different class to most CBs. Agree that he has been the primary Liverpool difference maker, although there have been a fair few. Still, in the last season, they were the two best central defenders in the PL for me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on December 18, 2019, 10:48:11 AM
Bundesliga+++..anyone catch Dortmund v Leipzig(3-3)? 90 minutes of up and down action...incredible stuff
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on January 09, 2020, 07:42:50 AM
Yea Klopp is definitely much more practical than Pep. Pep is more of a innovator and has the respect of his players to try almost anything. Last week v Everton it almost looked like Man City was in a 3-2-3-2. Pep was overloading one side of the field to isolate a winger on the other. Just little stuff like that is fun to watch. It was like a mix of futbol and an NBA team running an iso play.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on May 20, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
Nice to see the Bundesliga resume last weekend. I watched the Dortmund, Munich, and Leverkusen games...the Black and Yellow have always been my favorite Bundesliga team, I actually have a Dortmund hat and training shirt kicking around. As for the game, no fans made for a particularly odd setting, almost reminiscent of a training ground, but I will take it over no football any day of the week and twice on Sundays (so long as it can be done safely).
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on June 25, 2020, 10:55:20 PM
Not directly related to my D3 fandom, but in hindsight 90% of my skepticism/cynicism as a football fan came from Liverpool never winning the Premier League. Now that the drought is over, maybe I will become more optimistic. :) YNWA
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Mr.Right on July 05, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
2 Things I learned today:

1. Andy Carroll is still in the PL.

2. Coughing in public is almost like as sacred as farting at the dinner table now.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on September 26, 2020, 12:53:10 PM
Much like Amherst vs. Williams in the 2012 Elite 8, Brighton hit the woodwork five times against Man Utd today and still fell to defeat (I thought of this while watching the game). The latter got a jammy win, but they don't need Sancho (the front line is young and dynamic and I think Greenwood, although in a different position, could be just as impactful), they need working on the back line — kind of crazy we are still saying this the year after spending £130 million! Fernandes has helped with creativity (and penalties) but structurally the midfield seems to be a bit open — I think Matic is a bit past it and we all know Pogba hasn't hit his potential since leaving Juve, although van de Beek could be good — and I don't really get what Solskjaer's plan is aside from counter the big teams and go at the small sides, aka Mourinho-lite, albeit with perhaps slightly more ambition. I was pretty concerned when United went on the runs when Solskjaer came in and when they got Fernandes, but in both cases there have been subsequent defeats that have brought reminders that there's still a gap to the top. I'm pretty certain they'll get top 4 again, and they can pull off results against the other big teams, but — despite their mini-revival after Fernandes came — they still look miles behind the top 2 in terms of consistency. I think Everton and Arsenal could give them a run for the CL spots.

Glad to have the Premier League back and into a new season straight away. I've been diving into Python the last six months, and the treasure trove of PL datasets out there have provided me with a lot of fodder for visualizations and predictions. Plus, new data always makes for diverse tinkering than re-hashing old datasets through various algorithms.

Curious to see Chelsea back in action today, and wondering if Thiago Silva can bring some level of authority to a defense that I'm surprised is as porous as it is. Werner looks like a proper talent and that's without even mentioning Ziyech, Havertz, Mount, and Pulisic, who I think could be the first genuinely consistent world-class player from the USA (Dempsey, Donovan, et al have shown in fits and starts, but don't think I'd call either world-class). He would have been a big threat against Liverpool last week and I was glad that he didn't play, as he ran roughshod over the defence during his cameo on the night of the trophy lift. Can't say I was disappointed about his goal against Man City back in June: I was utterly convinced that City would win that game 2-1, but when Pulisic made it 1-0 it was the first time I even entertained the possibility that the title might be decided that night. Still didn't genuinely absorb that the 30-year drought would be ending until Willian made it 2-1.

City and Liverpool still look to be the two teams to beat — City are the bookies' favorites due to LFC's underwhelming post-title finish but I'm surprisingly bullish on my Reds. I figured they had a 20% shot in 18-19 and a 40% shot in 19-20, but I feel like they've strengthened in key areas this summer: Tsimikas some much needed cover at LB, Thiago gives the midfield a new dimension, and I think Jota could follow Mane's trajectory under Klopp from dynamic-yet-inconsistent player to world beater (still think they have a couple years at peak level left). Would be great if he could start to help the process of transitioning the front 3 as they age. Big test against Arsenal on Monday, and Arteta is 2-0 (technically 1-0-1) against Klopp as a manager, but I'm not sure how sustainable the "park the bus and hit Aubameyang on the counter" is long-term. Either way, after so many years of underachievement and disappointment, I have to remind myself to appreciate these halcyon days (on the pitch, if not in the rest of the world). It's certainly the best time in my lifetime of being a Red so far.

Aaaaand just like that, Chelsea are 1-0 down. #SilvaOut (mostly tongue-in-cheek)
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on September 26, 2020, 12:57:01 PM
Silva, oh my days. 2-0 Baggies.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on September 27, 2020, 01:36:27 PM
Chelsea came back from 3-0 down at halftime to 3-3 yesterday, while Leicester just won 5-2 against Man City at the Etihad. 2020 is a nonsense.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: TyWebb on September 27, 2020, 08:17:42 PM
As a Foxes fan I still don't believe what I saw today. I know I'm bias but I felt all 3 penalties were legit calls. The defenders were
beaten goal side each time. It seems Pep didn't wait long to improve the defense after such a thrashing. City has apparently just signed
defender Ruben Dias from Benefica.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on September 30, 2020, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: TyWebb on September 27, 2020, 08:17:42 PM
As a Foxes fan I still don't believe what I saw today. I know I'm bias but I felt all 3 penalties were legit calls. The defenders were
beaten goal side each time.

It's funny you say that because I'm pretty sure I read elsewhere someone highlighting exactly that (maybe The Athletic?). FWIW objectively I did think they were all penalties and thought Leicester were good value for their win, even if it looked like City would run away with the game in the early going. Vardy and Ibrahimovic should go into the fine wine business together, what a remarkable story he has been. And the fact that he has stayed loyal to Leicester while others have sought other opportunities to varying degrees of success is admirable. I'm also a big fan of Maddison, he has remarkable ability and I think he's only going to get better. And I think the Soyuncu-Evans partnership will go to another level in their second full year together.

Quote from: TyWebb on September 27, 2020, 08:17:42 PM
It seems Pep didn't wait long to improve the defense after such a thrashing. City has apparently just signed
defender Ruben Dias from Benefica.

(Apologies in advance for bringing in my own team but) Having expected the title race to be much closer, I found it interesting that City actually kept more clean sheets than Liverpool last season, but seemed much more defensively suspect. In looking at the numbers more closely, I found that City tended to either blow teams out or drop points while Liverpool had much better resiliency in terms of grinding games out (City won 5 games by one goal, the Reds won 14, which is exactly equal to the margin between 1st and 2nd). Additionally, City had 10 games from August to March where they gave up 2+ goals; Liverpool had just 2. Interestingly, Liverpool conceded in 12/15 games to start the season, but even then they only conceded more than once on 1 occasion (a 5-2 home win vs. Everton) and got 7 shutout wins in a row between Bournemouth away and Man Utd at home. In sum, despite City having more clean sheets and conceding slightly more goals over the season (35 vs. 33), Liverpool generally only conceded once when they were breached while the floodgates sometimes opened when that happened with City. I know Laporte was out for 5 months, but I also think the departure of Kompany was way more impactful than anyone had anticipated, and having to deploy Fernandinho as emergency CB wouldn't have been Pep's first choice. I expected them to get Koulibaly so I am curious to see how Dias can help them, particularly if Laporte can stay fit this season.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on October 05, 2020, 03:30:56 PM
Woof, what a weekend.

Didn't see 7-2 coming (or 6-1 to Spurs) but I did feel LFC were due a bad result after some unconvincing spells since February, and any complacency that existed is surely now gone. Either way, after that result, no real defensive moral high ground can be claimed over United (still feel Liverpool's back 5 is superior). Normally any weekend with City dropping points (Leeds were good value for their point) is a good weekend, and made even better by United getting thrashed at home, but that was a rude awakening. Fair play to Villa, though, they had a few deflected goals but that could have easily been 10. Worthy winners.

For their part, Spurs were excellent. Son is getting to be up there with Mane in terms of LW talents in the Premier League, and Kane looked back to his best - his assist for Son's first was incredible vision. Pretty sure Moura's equalizer against Liverpool at Anfield in March 2019 came from the same situation (quick free kick played while the defenders were sleeping). And who knows what kind of impact Bale can have (noting his age)? Tell you what, I don't like Mourinho as a character but I have to say I was impressed by him in the All or Nothing documentary. I think he's got a point to prove, too, and I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs sneak in the top 4.

Chelsea are starting to click into gear, they looked much better against a potentially tricky Palace side on Saturday, and Arsenal rebounded well after suffering their first defeat. Everton do look the part and given LFC's defensive implosion yesterday I am genuinely concerned about the upcoming trip to Goodison (10 years to the day that they last beat the Reds). Have a feeling that Everton may put paid to that winless streak; admittedly they were unlucky not to win in the last Merseyside Derby with Davis hitting the post. We'll soon find out!
Title: World Cup and European Leagues - Super League
Post by: Gray Fox on April 20, 2021, 12:03:28 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/19/what-is-the-super-league/

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Title: Re: World Cup and European Leagues - Super League
Post by: jknezek on April 20, 2021, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on April 20, 2021, 12:03:28 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/19/what-is-the-super-league/

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This iteration is going to fail. Chelsea and Man C already are backing away. They didn't get the Germans or the French on board first. The publicity is almost uniformly negative across GB and the Continent. Doesn't help that it's seen as a very American idea pushed by a bunch of partly American owners. But I do expect it to happen someday. Just as I expect eventually the Power 5 will break away from the rest of the NCAA. The money is just too good to let any of it slip through their greedy fingers.

But this time around? Not likely. They bungled the public relations side so badly that it has probably set them back 5 or 10 years, thankfully in my opinion.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on March 31, 2022, 09:53:32 PM
Any comments on the World Cup drawing on Friday?
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Saint of Old on April 01, 2022, 07:39:12 AM
Indeed. It is the greatest show on Earth and this year even Thanksgiving Turkey and Santa will be there.

My main interest lies though in the .5s and who else will sneak in.
Would love to see the Wales team and atleast one more great player with something left to prove get to grace the Qatar stage.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hopkins92 on April 01, 2022, 09:26:35 AM
I believe it's unprecedented for the US to be in Pod 2... Being Pod 1 in 94 doesn't really count. By rising in the FIFA rankings, they are avoiding 7 of the best teams on the planet.

Doesn't negate a possible (and dreaded) group of death, but it sure cuts down on the odds.

Canada, on the other hand... yeesh.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on April 06, 2022, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Saint of Old on April 01, 2022, 07:39:12 AM
My main interest lies though in the .5s and who else will sneak in.
Would love to see the Wales team and atleast one more great player with something left to prove get to grace the Qatar stage.

I'm pulling for Andy Robbo and Scotland but Wales seems to be the favorite on paper — Bale is still class even as a septuagenarian (jokez) and they have some decent threats; Ramsey has been around seemingly forever but is only 31. If Ukraine makes it then that is the story for me.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Gray Fox on November 18, 2022, 12:08:51 PM
Current thoughts on the World Cup.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hopkins92 on November 18, 2022, 12:16:32 PM
Games in the middle of the European season. No beer at the stadiums. Way to go FIFA!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: jknezek on November 18, 2022, 12:24:41 PM
I have never been so uninterested in a World Cup as this one. It's just at completely the wrong time of year for me to care. I suppose if the U.S. men's team makes a good showing I'll probably gain interest, but mostly it just doesn't register as important the way they have in the past. My dad took me to bars to watch in '86 and especially the U.S. getting overmatched in '90, I went to several games in 1994, lied my way in to bars to watch 1998, was up at 1 and 2 a.m. to watch 2002, was completely disgusted by what I saw from the U.S. team in 2006, suffered through the Vuvuzelas in 2010, was enraptured by 2014, and watched a huge chunk of the Dictator Cup in 2018. But this one? Man it's hard to care.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hopkins92 on November 18, 2022, 12:31:22 PM
What's really sad is this is, by far, the most talented squad the US has ever fielded. And incredibly young (youngest in the entire field.)

I just have a really tough time with this having been awarded to Qatar. I'll leave it there, as I know this board doesn't do politics. (rightfully so.)

I'm definitely watching the US games... Good group of neighborhood friends with varying loyalties and allegiances will make it a fun ride.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: EnmoreCat on November 18, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
Very low expectations for Australia, it seems a very long time now since we won the 2015 Asian Cup and much longer back to 2006 when arguably our best ever team got to the second round of the WC.  The 2022 team is a hardworking one, but I can't imagine them scoring, let alone getting a result.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Ejay on November 18, 2022, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: EnmoreCat on November 18, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
Very low expectations for Australia, it seems a very long time now since we won the 2015 Asian Cup and much longer back to 2006 when arguably our best ever team got to the second round of the WC.  The 2022 team is a hardworking one, but I can't imagine them scoring, let alone getting a result.

I loved Tim Cahill. He lived nearby when he played for NYRB. One of those guys you just loved to watch play. Best of luck to the Soccerroos!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: EnmoreCat on November 18, 2022, 08:08:09 PM
Quote from: Ejay on November 18, 2022, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: EnmoreCat on November 18, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
Very low expectations for Australia, it seems a very long time now since we won the 2015 Asian Cup and much longer back to 2006 when arguably our best ever team got to the second round of the WC.  The 2022 team is a hardworking one, but I can't imagine them scoring, let alone getting a result.

I loved Tim Cahill. He lived nearby when he played for NYRB. One of those guys you just loved to watch play. Best of luck to the Soccerroos!

thanks Ejay, it's definitely gonna be more about organization and luck this time out.  As a Crystal Palace supporter, I was hoping to see Chris Richards play for the USA and am sad for him that he got injured.  Fortunately, there is still a Palace connection through Gregg Berhalter, who played for us about 20 years ago.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: northman on November 18, 2022, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: EnmoreCat on November 18, 2022, 08:08:09 PM
Quote from: Ejay on November 18, 2022, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: EnmoreCat on November 18, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
Very low expectations for Australia, it seems a very long time now since we won the 2015 Asian Cup and much longer back to 2006 when arguably our best ever team got to the second round of the WC.  The 2022 team is a hardworking one, but I can't imagine them scoring, let alone getting a result.

I loved Tim Cahill. He lived nearby when he played for NYRB. One of those guys you just loved to watch play. Best of luck to the Soccerroos!

thanks Ejay, it's definitely gonna be more about organization and luck this time out.  As a Crystal Palace supporter, I was hoping to see Chris Richards play for the USA and am sad for him that he got injured.  Fortunately, there is still a Palace connection through Gregg Berhalter, who played for us about 20 years ago.

If we're citing Premier League players, I'm a Liverpool fan and thus can't make any USMNT references.  But I'm hoping Leeds comes through in the form of Brenden Aaronson and Tyler Adams for the USMNT!
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: deutschfan on November 24, 2022, 03:40:43 PM
Giving thanks to Brazil today.  Second goal one of the sickest ever.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: Hopkins92 on November 25, 2022, 09:46:52 AM
Absolutely an all-timer, no question... On any stage. But in a World Cup?

Sweet Mother of Pearl.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: camosfan on November 26, 2022, 07:08:59 AM
Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 25, 2022, 09:46:52 AM
Absolutely an all-timer, no question... On any stage. But in a World Cup?

Sweet Mother of Pearl.

Pele scored a more spectacular bicycle kick in 1958 finals in Sweden as a 17 year-old.
Title: Re: World Cup and European leagues
Post by: blooter442 on March 15, 2023, 03:51:24 PM
Kind of out of left field, but the D3 connection made it worth posting.

The NIFL (Northern Ireland's top division) doesn't have the same commercial appeal as the Premier League or La Liga, but provides fans with the universal football emotions. YouTube channel The Peakys (formerly Peaky Bannsiders) was started by Niall Quinn, a supporter of Coleraine FC who wanted to chronicle his match day adventures with his eight year old son. I stumbled upon it a few months ago and it's a lot of fun.

This past weekend, Coleraine played in the NIFL League Cup final, and Wisconsin-Whitewater coach Tony Guinn (a native of NI who was at the match) ran into the channel's creator. Guinn lost his son Shaymus at age 11 to bone cancer, but wanted to thank Quinn for providing some level of joy for him to see another father being able to do what he never got the chance to. The interaction was featured in the Belfast Telegraph this morning. I can't imagine what it is like to be in that position, but also pretty incredible that he has kept going on the sidelines for UWW in the decade since.

https://belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/coleraine-fc-vloggers-emotional-exchange-with-bereaved-dad-who-found-joy-in-father-son-videos/812832084.html