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#3226
Quote from: LetItRain on November 04, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
02 Warhawk:

I work with a UWW graduate from back a ways.  I provide him with Trine updates each Monday and he returns the favor with UWW updates.  You guys are having another good year.  Heard about your 300+ yard running back - pretty amazing.  Good luck in the playoffs.  I'll be pulling for you (unless you're playing Trine, of course).   ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 04, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 04, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Just to clarify my previous comments, of course I would not PREFER the MIAA representative to play MU in the post season first round game.  However, the only things that Trine and Adrain have any control over is whether they win their final 2 games.  Other than that it is all left up to the committees, boards, coaches, computers...or whatever else decides the playoff seeds!  All I am saying is that whatever draw a team gets in the first round, it is going to be a good team.  These are all teams that have won their conference or at least preformed well in a very strong conference.

So, should the MIAA representative draw MU in the 1st round I say....Bring on Mount Union.  Dont be upset, dont be scared, dont back down, and definitely dont let them win the game before it even begins.  They play on the same field we do.  they play with 11 men on the field just like we do.  and their team is made up of 18-22 year old men, just like ours!

Respect your opponents, but never fear them. 

BOYA87,

If the Trine and Adrian players have the same attitude as you, then they
have the right mental fortitude to succeed.

The committees will make the calls, but I would also want to play the best right out of the gate to see what my program has to do to grow.

In 2002-03 ( I think, will have to verify exact dates), the University of Wisc.
Whitewater scheduled Mount Union for their first games to learn from
an elite program. Not only did they learn ( despite two large losses) but went on to be a major power in D3.

around that same time frame, we also scheduled St. John's and one or two NAIA ranked teams....we got our buts whipped, but we learned a lot from it.

Now you have some activity on this MIAA board. A comment about UWW
got some ink. The former coach at UWW saw opportunities and went after
them.

A few post back, I mentioned Trine's opportunites in the playoffs, if they were 8th or higher will potentially see UWW at some point. This assumes
Mount Union is not in the North and UWW is.

#3227
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 04, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Just to clarify my previous comments, of course I would not PREFER the MIAA representative to play MU in the post season first round game.  However, the only things that Trine and Adrain have any control over is whether they win their final 2 games.  Other than that it is all left up to the committees, boards, coaches, computers...or whatever else decides the playoff seeds!  All I am saying is that whatever draw a team gets in the first round, it is going to be a good team.  These are all teams that have won their conference or at least preformed well in a very strong conference.

So, should the MIAA representative draw MU in the 1st round I say....Bring on Mount Union.  Dont be upset, dont be scared, dont back down, and definitely dont let them win the game before it even begins.  They play on the same field we do.  they play with 11 men on the field just like we do.  and their team is made up of 18-22 year old men, just like ours!

Respect your opponents, but never fear them. 

BOYA87,

If the Trine and Adrian players have the same attitude as you, then they
have the right mental fortitude to succeed.

The committees will make the calls, but I would also want to play the best right out of the gate to see what my program has to do to grow.

In 2002-03 ( I think, will have to verify exact dates), the University of Wisc.
Whitewater scheduled Mount Union for their first games to learn from
an elite program. Not only did they learn ( despite two large losses) but went on to be a major power in D3.
#3228
A poster from a non-OAC board stated recently that the MUC posters/fans dominated this board. That comment raises the question for those long time posters:

Where are all the posters from the other OAC schools, other than RC and a few others? Is it busy schedules, other interests or lack of interest.
As a new poster, I have read many posts before picking up my pen, and I
remember seeing posts from several other OAC posters/fans.

Also,

With a big game between Cap/ONU, I am somewhat surprized JK's pen has been silent. I am sure others know the reasons for these questions, just curious!
#3229
Quote from: altor on November 04, 2009, 11:30:13 AM
Are you all assuming the NAthC champion will be shipped out of region too?

Concordia, IL, is 7-1 but was not on last week's Regional Ranking.  Trine's current OWP is well above Concordia's.  Also, Concordia beat Olivet by 5 and Trine won by 25.  Assuming Trine wins the conference, I don't think they are an 8 seed.

I would think there is a good chance Mount Union will move to the east again!
#3230
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on November 04, 2009, 11:24:23 AM
I think there IS something personal in a knowledgeable Mount fan's "dislike" for OTT.  I do understand the players thought that they need to stand up and smack Mount in the mouth to show them they aren't intimidated.....but their behavior the last few games has been a bit annoying (and believe me certain coaches and players feel the same).  I personally am more annoyed at the OTT team for the pathetic performance they put on in last year's playoffs.  It just makes the OAC look bad!  I personally believe at this moment in time that CAP would be our best second representative in the playoffs.  I agree with HSC that ONU's offense leaves a bit to be desired (although I am basing that on what I saw many weeks ago).  Maybe I will change my mind after seeing OTT this weekend, but if their defense sucks as bad as it seems........I doubt it. 



It was not too long ago that both Cap and JCU did very well in the playoffs.
I agree a poor performance by Ott last year does not enhance the argument that the OAC is the nation's best conference. Whomever is the No. #2, I hope they go as far as possible and even a rematch with the Raiders at some point in the playoffs. If the D3 rankings have meaning then the OAC has positioned itself reasonably well thus far, the conference just needs to finish strong in the playoffs.

I wish both Cap and ONU the best this Saturday and hope the winner goes
far in the playoffs!
#3231
Quote from: reality check on November 04, 2009, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 10:41:21 AM
jam40jeff,

You should contact Pat at D3 com with graphics expertise! 8)

It's copy and paste from an image search.  I hope you're kidding but I'm scared you're not.

No worries, I was kidding, copy and paste notwithstanding, I liked the clarity of the logos!
#3232
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 04, 2009, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 03, 2009, 05:48:59 PM
Call me crazy, but (pending a Trine win this weekend) bring on Mount Union!

What better way to really judge your programs strength and progress then to play the best?!  Of course it would be great to get a good seed and have a better opportunity to get a DIII playoff win (something that Trine University has NEVER done). But I gaurantee if Trine draws Mount Union, those are going to be some excited players and some excited coaches! 

I know I sure would have loved the opportunity to measure up my personal abilities as well as my teams abilities against a program like Mount Union!

Been there, done that, fun = yes, good for old stories while drinking beer with the buddies not so much unless you are discussing the NCAA record for most points scored against a team in the shortest amount of time (yes MUC put 21pts in a 14 second period to start the second quarter  in the first game of the 96 season!)

the only way to beat MUC is with a killer D that creates a lot of turnovers and an offense good enough to capitalize on it for 7 pts.  no one can shoot it out with MUC.  if the MIAA  has a team right now that would have a chance it would be adrian becuase the front 7 on Defense...but being a realist it is something less than a 5% chance and that is only becuase anything is possible (ask Syracuse BBall)

So you think Adrian beats Trine with their tough Defense?

Regarding Mount Union, in their 4 losses in 10 years, a great defense
is the major way they lost those few games. They just do not turn the ball over very often at all. It would take superior athletes and great coaching
strategy to make that happen. All if those factors have made Mount an
elite program, but other schools have adopted their philosophy. A school in the MIAA could do the same, as did UWW, W & J, ONU and others.
#3233
jam40jeff,

You should contact Pat at D3 com with graphics expertise! 8)
#3234
General football / Re: University Athletic Association
November 04, 2009, 09:15:49 AM
Quote from: blue4now on November 02, 2009, 08:50:49 AM
Some thoughts on the game...   What was supposed to be 50 and sunny initially started with some light rain, cold and 40 mph winds which never subsided.  It became a partly sunny day but remained extremely cold windy.  On top of the wind it changed directions all the time.

The Maroons came to play as we expected.  The kept the running game in check for the most part until latter in the game. This placed more pressure on our passing game in less than favorable conditions.  Whalen was pressured again more than we'd like to see.  The D ran stunts and disguised coverages better than we have seen to this point.  When Whaled had time we it open receivers.  When he didn't we took a sack or forced things when we shouldn't have.

Chicago has a very athletic D and ran well with our wr's.  It appeared we tried to stay with a vertical passing game in spite of the wind.  The conditions hampered both teams wr's as several players dropped balls we have seen them make before.  At least 8 I can remember.  We'd gaina couple first downs and then become stagnant.

On the other side, the Maroons had 2 big pass plays, one to Brezzalara from Aurora on a 15 yd fly that our SS missed the int attempt and another on a blitz and blown coverage to Wolf on another alley. Other than that they hit 5 yd outs to move the chains while occasionally trying deep posts into double coverage.

On special teams Coffey kicked well while the Maroons kicked struggled w extra points and distance.  Uncharacteristically Whalen had one punt blocked and a shank.  The coverage teams were solid overall.

In closing, both O/D lines rose to the challenge and took control of the game, overcoming a stiff challenge from a very talented and improving Maroon squad.

Most units will only receive 'C' ratings at best this week which should kick up the intensity even more for CMU.

Go Case!  Go Spartans!!  Go Blue!!!



How far can the Spartans go in this year's playoffs?
#3235
Quote from: fantastic50 on November 04, 2009, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 04, 2009, 01:09:28 AM
I think it does help if the NCAC / UAA merge for football because then perhaps sane scheduling will take place.

Think of it this way - let's say the NCAC adds either DPU or W&J (two most likely candidates). For football, adding the UAA would be 14 teams. Two divisions.

West -
Wabash
Wittenberg
Washington
OWU
Denison
Chicago
DPU / Kenyon

East -
Allegheny
Hiram
Case
Carnegie Mellon
Wooster
Oberlin
Kenyon / W&J

6 games in division, 2 games in the other division based on power rankings from past 2 seasons. 2 non-conference games.

This helps, I think. As bleah as Chicago is, they're better than Hiram / Oberlin / Kenyon  usually are. And I think OWU can snap back. The other three UAA schools are decent to good most years.

This seems like a nice set-up, but as a Wooster fan, I don't like it, because of the possibility of playing none of Witt, OWU, Denison, or Kenyon in a given year (and likely playing only one in most years.)

Why would the NCAC want any merger with the UAA, or would it benefit
other sports in addition to football and why should the NCAC give up the yearly rivalry games per smedindy?

Keep them seperate, add a DePauw if they want to come, or schedule an
OAC team for the one game that would be open if not new team is added
to the conference.
#3236
former3db,D306,BoredatWork56,Diezel1,LetitRain,Boya87

The MIAA board is very quiet! Where are all the posters? :-X
#3237
Quote from: D306 on November 03, 2009, 06:02:45 PM
Boya77

Be careful what you ask for!!!
I will take anybody but Mount.
I would rather Trine carry the flag for the MIAA and win a game in the playoffs, the MIAA cerrtainly needs a win in the playoffs.

First things first, I believe Trine will win the big game this week VS Adrian
Trine has too much offense and Adrian has struggled to put up points recently.


Assuming Trine wins the MIAA, it would be best if they did not meet a Mount Union or possibly UWW in the first round.

Boya77 is right, get a win or two under the MIAA's belt, then go from there.
#3238
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2009, 04:48:37 PM
I would love nothing more than for that to be the case, Raider, but the NCAC is tied up with the UAA in a scheduling agreement.  All of the NCAC schools are scheduling UAA schools for two games every year.  I have to believe that once the league office decides how many teams are going to be in the league, they'll get back to a 7-game conference schedule (it will be six conference games in 2010, but every team is playing another NCAC team in a game that counts as non-conference for some reason that makes no sense whatsoever).  So 7 conference games plus the two UAA games leaves just one game that is elective for everybody.  Unfortunately, I just don't think that your going to see much variety in the schedules of the NCAC teams in the near future...at least until this thing with the UAA goes away. 

I do believe Wooster has used their elective game to play B-W next year.  So there's one.  I know you Raider guys would love nothing more than to get Wooster on the schedule and beat them by 113 points, but I think you'll have to settle for rooting for B-W...I don't know that Wooster is getting any closer than that to MUC anytime soon.   ;)

Wally,

You are correct on the committments. B-W will just have to do their best (which is pretty terrible over the last few years for an upper OAC school) against Wooster.

When I played Mount was not that great against the Scots, but we all
know that has really changed over the last 20 years or so.

#3239
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 03, 2009, 04:52:31 PM
Raider,

Not sure you are aware (since Mount is almost always the #1 seed), but the regional rankings aren't always the indicator of the seeding you will get in the playoffs.  Last year Trine was #4 in the final regional rankings but were the #2 seed in the bracket.  And Wheaton, who was not in the regional ranking was the #7 seed.  Although being ranked higher in the regional ranking would better your chances in getting a higher seed in the tournament it all depends on those wacky NCAA officials who make up the tournament pairings  :) :) :)

Diezel1,

Your are correct, but oftentimes they (rankings) are reasonably accurate, but the NCAA does always have some surprizes and some "for certain" teams do not even make it
#3240
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2009, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 03, 2009, 03:52:04 PM
Wally,

If not DePaul, what school is the second choice if there is one?

I really don't have an answer, Raider.  DePauw is an obvious choice.  They fit academically and they are positively out of place in the SCAC...particularly since RHIT came to their senses and got back into the Heartland.  In the SCAC, DePauw is over 400 miles away from all but one of their conference opponents.  In the NCAC, DePauw would be within 400 miles of all but one of their conference opponents.  DePauw is never going to go back to the HCAC...that bridge was burned.  But now that the opportunity to get into league that makes some geographic sense AND is academically like-minded has presented itself, I think it's an easy call. 

But if not DePauw then I really don't know who else would come along to be team #10...if anybody.  John Carroll  and W&J have been mentioned in here as a possible member, but I don't really know why either of those schools would leave the leagues that they are in.  They seem to fit pretty well where they are.  If DePauw doesn't want in, then so be it.  The league can survive with 9 teams...and really, if the net result of all of this is that the NCAC loses Earlham and gains nobody, then I think it's a net positive for the NCAC with respect to athletic reputation (i.e. the conference rankings that are done by d3football.com).

Wally,

If DePauw does not enter the NCAC, then with 9 teams, the league may be in a position to schedule other conference team in the geographic area, maybe even some from the OAC. A stronger non-conference team would
be far greater for the NCAC then a weaker conference member, I believe.