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emma17

I think you're inferring it Ex but not sure so I'll state an obvious. At QB, the speed of the decision making is what I think really separates them.
Once that decision is made, the accuracy comes into play.
When a QB is a blink slow on the decision, that's where the speed of the defenders kills them.
A Rogers seems as though he goes Matrix and slows the entire game down.

ScreamingEagles

UW-La Crosse

hazzben

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 02, 2015, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 02, 2015, 09:42:07 AM
I never could figure out how Harrell could throw for something like 15,000 yards in college and be so bad in the NFL.  It simply defies logic.

Because college and the NFL are different?

I agree with your premise - insanely productive D1 college players theoretically should still be at least OK in the NFL - but I think we collectively still tend to underestimate the enormous jump from college to the NFL.  That slant he misses half-a-step-inside , or the slightly-underthrown-deep-ball that still finds the WR, will turn into incompletions or interceptions against NFL defensive backs.

As incredible as D1 guys are, we should remember that maybe the top 10% or so of those guys are even going to get drafted (back-of-the-envelope math, 128 FBS programs, 20 seniors a team = roughly 2,500 guys, and that's without counting the FCS and handful of D2/D3 guys who get a look...competing for 250 draft slots).  So a Harrell (or any QB) is playing an awful lot of their college games against guys who are an inch shorter and a step slower and a hair less instinctive than the guys who will be in the NFL, and a lot of those yards might come on throws that worked in college but will get broken up or picked in the NFL.

Yeah, I know he's not playing will all NFL receivers either, and it seems like that should balance out, but it never quite does.  Projecting whose skills will actually translate to the next level is a tricky, tricky business because there are so many other variables - all the other guys on the field, the system he plays in, quality of coaching, and so on.

I'd add two other wrinkles to why great college QB's often don't translate (neither original to me):

1) College systems

Harrell came from the Air Raid system at Texas Tech, which is notorious for inflating college QB stats and then producing nothing in the NFL. That's not a rip on the QB's or the system. There's a reason lots of teams run it at the college level. But the simplistic route tree, lack of legit play action and exclusively shotgun drops do not translate well to the NFL.

2) Talent Around them

I think a reason guys like Andrew Luck, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, et al make the jump look so seamless is they're used to winning in spite of the guys blocking for them and catching their passes. Compare them to guys like AJ McCarron, Matt Leinhart/Barkley or Ken Dorsey. These guys had great win percentages and incredible stats. They also never faced real pressure because of the mammoth OLines in front of them and rarely had to fit a pass into a tight window. When they threw deep, their WR was usually considerably better than the DB covering him.

On the flip side, Romo is figuring out how to throw as he runs for his life and Rodgers is trying to beat those superior Pac 12 DB's. (Marshall Faulk and LT are good RB examples)

Obviously it doesn't mean elite D1 programs can't produce elite NFL QB's, but just like their RB's, you need to take their production with a grain of salt (E.g. Tre Richardson, etc.).

palum

Platteville's roster is out 55 from IL 34 from WI & 14 from IA. Junior Tom Kelly named starter at QB for Saturday's game against Buena Vista.

02 Warhawk

Quote from: palum on September 03, 2015, 11:47:21 AM
Platteville's roster is out 55 from IL 34 from WI & 14 from IA. Junior Tom Kelly named starter at QB for Saturday's game against Buena Vista.

That's remarkable

02 Warhawk

First game is tonight....last chance to get in the WIAC pickems for week 1.

oshfb

UW-Oshkosh has released its roster: http://www.uwoshkoshtitans.com/sports/fball/2015-16/roster

Depth Chart: http://www.uwoshkoshtitans.com/sports/fball/depthchart

Offense features 5 SRs, 4 SOs and 2 JRs.
Defense features 4 SRs, 6 JRs and 1 SO.
"A GOOD leader makes you feel as though THEY can conquer the world. A GREAT leader makes you feel as though YOU can conquer the world."

ScreamingEagles

UWL's roster was posted today:  http://uwlathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=football

10 Seniors
23 Juniors
37 Sophomores
36 Freshman

85 from Wisconsin
12 from Illinois
9 from Minnesota

Two Deep: http://uwlathletics.com/documents/2015/9/3//UWL_Two_Deep.doc?id=2882

Offense: 3 Seniors, 6 Juniors, 2 Sophomores
Defense: 1 Senior, 5 Juniors, 5 Sophomores

Again not very big on defense, as has been typical with Coach Dettwiler.  Dline averages 238 pounds and linebackers average 207.  Also looks like we are running a 3-4 defense at least for the first game against Luther.

UW-La Crosse

OzJohnnie

Quote from: BoBo on May 15, 2015, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on May 15, 2015, 06:39:11 PM

Amazingly, I was able to read this documentation, weigh its persuasiveness and come to my own unpaid conclusion: the NFL is toast.

MEMO TO: Roger Goodell, NFL Commissioner

SUBJECT: Wells Report on deflated footballs

I have spoken...you're toast!! And I'm not talking the delicious, French kind. So...get a life and a real job. Any questions?  Good, end of discussion. Cheers mate!!

oz

P.S. www.freebradyandpats.com

I'll take that apology now.
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badgerwarhawk

This doesn't convince me that Brady isn't a cheat.   I'd be a lot more convinced if Brady hadn't coincidentally switched cell phones when it became apparent the NFL was interested in seeing it.

"Just think twice is my only advice."

OzJohnnie

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Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 03, 2015, 04:27:18 PM
This doesn't convince me that Brady isn't a cheat.   I'd be a lot more convinced if Brady hadn't coincidentally switched cell phones when it became apparent the NFL was interested in seeing it.



If you're really interested then I suggest that you set the time aside to read both the investigation and the Patriots' response. With a dispassionate, non-partisan read it is clear that, as this judge concluded, there is no there there. The NFL has completely failed, conducting a witch hunt (went looking to prove his guilt) rather than a trial (reviewing the evidence fairly and letting the chips fall where they may).

EDIT: And as I said at the time, it pains me to draw that conclusion because I despise the Patriots and Brady. But that's different than whether any foul play was demonstrated (and I actually think the NFL's case is so bad that it's more likely than not that nothing happened at all. That he is truly innocent of this. The only plus side for me personally is that I despise the NFL commission as much as the Patriots so I kind of win either way from a cheerleading perspective.
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emma17

Quote from: OzJohnnie on September 03, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 03, 2015, 04:27:18 PM
This doesn't convince me that Brady isn't a cheat.   I'd be a lot more convinced if Brady hadn't coincidentally switched cell phones when it became apparent the NFL was interested in seeing it.



If you're really interested then I suggest that you set the time aside to read both the investigation and the Patriots' response. With a dispassionate, non-partisan read it is clear that, as this judge concluded, there is no there there. The NFL has completely failed, conducting a witch hunt (went looking to prove his guilt) rather than a trial (reviewing the evidence fairly and letting the chips fall where they may).

EDIT: And as I said at the time, it pains me to draw that conclusion because I despise the Patriots and Brady. But that's different than whether any foul play was demonstrated (and I actually think the NFL's case is so bad that it's more likely than not that nothing happened at all. That he is truly innocent of this. The only plus side for me personally is that I despise the NFL commission as much as the Patriots so I kind of win either way from a cheerleading perspective.

Oz, I don't have a side on this but can you speculate why the NFL would conduct a witch hunt? A witch hunt seems it carries some degree of intention - why would the NFL intentionally bring this whole situation on itself?
I truly don't have a side in this. If forced, I'd say even if there was proof the 4 game suspension was ridiculous.

OzJohnnie

We're I to speculate I would say that people, even the best of us, get caught up in emotion. The NFL has been hit by one controversy after another and have progressed from bad to worse as they become increasingly reflexive in their response. Rice. That 'bullying' lineman in Miami. Hernandez. AP. Put the Pats' videoing controversy and I think the NFL finds itself running from one knee-jerk reaction to the next and thought that they had to make a stand here come Hell or high water. And that stand meant Brady had to be punished. Hence the witch hunt. Not because they wanted to it even thought they were, but because they feel backed into a corner. Brady telling them all to pound sand didn't help either.

So if interested to guess on motive, then that's what I would guess.

Good luck on Saturday, everyone.
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OzJohnnie

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 03, 2015, 04:27:18 PM
This doesn't convince me that Brady isn't a cheat.   I'd be a lot more convinced if Brady hadn't coincidentally switched cell phones when it became apparent the NFL was interested in seeing it.

One last point and then I'm done (thanks for your patience). On the phone, Brady had no obligation to turn it over. There was no mechanism, other than 'pretty please', that the NFl could use to get it.  What do you suppose is on that phone other than ball pressure messages?  Financial or investment advice with his accountant(s)?  Evidence of him cheating on Geisel?  With a man?  Off color jokes?  Pictures of midget porn he'd texted with friends?

And what are the odds that the NFL would have kept that non-relevant information private?  My guess, it wasn't inflate-gate information he was intent on keeping out if NFL hands.
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Brian R. Carroll

Screaming Eagles: Good job posting the Tribune articles on the Eagles. They do a pretty good job covering the team and we are fortunate that they make the effort. BTW, I share your apparent concern about the size of our D-line. You can't give up a lot of size in the middle of the line and expect to stop the run. I have expressed my concern to coach Dettwiler, but he doesn't agree, and appears to think he knows more about it than I do. I hope he is right. It is time to get this program back on track.