2019 NCAA Tournament

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On a different 2019 NCAA tournament topic, there will be a Pool B bid this year, along with 43 Pool A and 20 Pool C bids. The Pool B berth will likely go to an AEC team (maybe Neumann), rather than an ACAA or independent team. However, while the AEC will hold a conference tournament, the berth won't necessarily go to the champion.

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Quote from: fantastic50 on January 02, 2019, 09:26:52 PM
On a different 2019 NCAA tournament topic, there will be a Pool B bid this year, along with 43 Pool A and 20 Pool C bids. The Pool B berth will likely go to an AEC team (maybe Neumann), rather than an ACAA or independent team. However, while the AEC will hold a conference tournament, the berth won't necessarily go to the champion.

Don't forget Thomas More is in the ACAA this year, their last before leaving the NCAA.  They're going to play a lot more non-d3 games than the AEC teams will, but they'll have competitive numbers with the top AEC teams, especially if the AEC beats each other up in conference.
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Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 02, 2019, 08:33:25 PM
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Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2019, 07:21:58 PM
Quote from: fantastic50 on January 02, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Four teams that would bring thousands of fans to Fort Wayne... Hope, Wooster, IWU, and Marietta.

The Chamber of Commerce loves your thinking!  All four are close enough to bring lots of fans (and at least the first three have rabid fans who travel well), yet not close enough to avoid overnight stays and dining!  That line-up would likely result in the most lucrative final four for the host community EVER!

Hope, Wooster and Marietta ranked 1-2-3 in D3 attendance last year.  Based strictly on Chamber of Commerce aspirations I'd replace IWU with Augustana, who came in fourth last year.  IWU has historically travelled well, and would still bring a sizable crowd, but Augie draws far better these days, at least for home attendance.  According to NCAA attendance statistics Augustana averaged 1,218 fans per game last year compared to IWU at 797.  This season the numbers are even more pronounced, with Augie prevailing in that category 1,330 to 575.  It also bears noting that at the Rhodes College Tournament in Memphis last month, Augustana appeared to have more fans than the other three schools combined (host Rhodes, Centre, and Blackburn) despite the 550 miles separating Rock Island, Illinois and Memphis.
Attendence figures for those wondering
1) Hope - 1981
2) Wooster - 1474
3) Augustana - 1330
4) Marietta - 1208
5) UW-Stevens Point - 1172
then a gap to those below
6) Albright - 848
7) Whitworth - 774
...

Off the top of my head, I'm pretty confident Stevens Point had the furthest to travel for all four Final Fours they participated in and I can also be pretty confident that we had the most support in Salem each and every time.
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Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 02, 2019, 08:33:25 PM
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Quote from: fantastic50 on January 02, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Four teams that would bring thousands of fans to Fort Wayne... Hope, Wooster, IWU, and Marietta.

The Chamber of Commerce loves your thinking!  All four are close enough to bring lots of fans (and at least the first three have rabid fans who travel well), yet not close enough to avoid overnight stays and dining!  That line-up would likely result in the most lucrative final four for the host community EVER!

Hope, Wooster and Marietta ranked 1-2-3 in D3 attendance last year.  Based strictly on Chamber of Commerce aspirations I'd replace IWU with Augustana, who came in fourth last year.  IWU has historically travelled well, and would still bring a sizable crowd, but Augie draws far better these days, at least for home attendance.  According to NCAA attendance statistics Augustana averaged 1,218 fans per game last year compared to IWU at 797.  This season the numbers are even more pronounced, with Augie prevailing in that category 1,330 to 575.  It also bears noting that at the Rhodes College Tournament in Memphis last month, Augustana appeared to have more fans than the other three schools combined (host Rhodes, Centre, and Blackburn) despite the 550 miles separating Rock Island, Illinois and Memphis.
Attendence figures for those wondering
1) Hope - 1981
2) Wooster - 1474
3) Augustana - 1330
4) Marietta - 1208
5) UW-Stevens Point - 1172
then a gap to those below
6) Albright - 848
7) Whitworth - 774
...

I'm fascinated that Albright drew well enough to land this high in the attendance rankings. Unlike the other programs listed here, which are perennial powers (that have large townie followings), Albright's men's basketball legacy is a fairly modest one -- five appearances in the 44 years that the D3 tourney has been held, with a 4-6 record -- and prior to the Lions' 20-7 season last year that culminated in a tourney appearance (and first-round loss to Springfield), they had had four decidedly mediocre seasons. But a cursory glance at the box scores for those mediocre seasons tells me that the Lions drew fairly well even then.
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What's even harder for me to believe are the attendance numbers for Scranton over the past 10 years.

When I was in college they routinely drew several thousand each home game & the weekends were a zoo.

We used to have a student section that was merciless on the opposition, now maybe 10 kids sit there.

The chants of, "if you can't go to college, go to Kings" can still be heard if you listen closely.

One game against Susquehanna, some kids at Scranton went to high school with a player now at Susquehanna & when he went to the free throw line late in a tight game, they got the whole student section to chant, "Ginny's pregnant" as they knew both he & his high school girlfriend. He missed the front end.

Every possession for the opposition had a designated villain and the noise level inside the Long Center would be deafening.

Currently, if they draw 300 on a week night, that's about average.

Several years ago, the women drew more than the men.

No idea why there is such a lack of student support but clearly the students don't come out to any games until the playoffs begin and, that's unfortunate for the players who really deserve far more support than they currently receive.

Maybe Danzig needs to borrow some of Bess's old tuxedo's he'd wear to fire up the fan base but they clearly need to do something to generate on-campus interest.

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Sadly, now-a-days most of those chants would be considered offensive, technical fouls would be given and students would be escorted out.

I remember a few years ago when new Wisconsin high school chant rules came out and you couldn't even yell, "scoreboard" etc...sad.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/wisconsin-hs-sports-banned-chants-cheers-wiaa-high-school-athletics-sportsmanship/zfkhur3n30xm10sg0ruj1hxls
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Most fortunately, not everyplace is Wisconsin. Most places those things are still just fine.

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HS sports have been going this way for a while.  Pretty much anything directed at the other team besides "good game," is going to be pushed out.  I don't really mind - it's High School.  I yelled some pretty terrible things at the top of my lungs during those years and it was not good for me.
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Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2019, 11:41:33 PM

HS sports have been going this way for a while.  Pretty much anything directed at the other team besides "good game," is going to be pushed out.  I don't really mind - it's High School.  I yelled some pretty terrible things at the top of my lungs during those years and it was not good for me.

...like every time the opposing coach got out of his seat...

"Sit down, Bus driver!"

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Quote from: fantastic50 on January 02, 2019, 09:26:52 PM
On a different 2019 NCAA tournament topic, there will be a Pool B bid this year, along with 43 Pool A and 20 Pool C bids. The Pool B berth will likely go to an AEC team (maybe Neumann), rather than an ACAA or independent team. However, while the AEC will hold a conference tournament, the berth won't necessarily go to the champion.

This has happened before in odder setups... SCAC had to give it's AQ to Trinity when they lost in the conference title game to Colorado College (I think) who wasn't eligible for the NCAA tournament as of yet.
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Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2019, 02:57:52 PM
Quote from: fantastic50 on January 02, 2019, 09:26:52 PM
On a different 2019 NCAA tournament topic, there will be a Pool B bid this year, along with 43 Pool A and 20 Pool C bids. The Pool B berth will likely go to an AEC team (maybe Neumann), rather than an ACAA or independent team. However, while the AEC will hold a conference tournament, the berth won't necessarily go to the champion.

This has happened before in odder setups... SCAC had to give it's AQ to Trinity when they lost in the conference title game to Colorado College (I think) who wasn't eligible for the NCAA tournament as of yet.
Are you thinking about B-SC in 2011 (moving from D-1 to the SCAC) when they won the East Division of the SCAC but were not eligible for the SCAC post-season tourney, So,B-SC beat Franciscan OH and Covenant in a post-season tourney Steubenville OH? SCAC-East runner-up Centre won the SCAC bid and then lost to Marietta in the 1st round.

Pat Coleman

I think Dave might be thinking of 2014, when Trinity and Centenary (La.) went to the SCAC tournament final but since Centenary wasn't eligible for the NCAA Tournament, Trinity clinched the AQ by reaching the final. (Trinity did win the game as well.)
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2019, 07:07:25 PM
I think Dave might be thinking of 2014, when Trinity and Centenary (La.) went to the SCAC tournament final but since Centenary wasn't eligible for the NCAA Tournament, Trinity clinched the AQ by reaching the final. (Trinity did win the game as well.)

THAT'S who I was thinking of... yes. Thanks. Colorado College didn't seem right, but I didn't have time (Hoopsville preps) to double-check.

I think Trinity clinched the AQ by being the best team in the league? I seem to remember it falling back to the season winner. But I was also sure Trinity lost ... but clearly, I was wrong with that fact as well.

Brain is mush ... need a cache clear I guess.

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