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Title: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: maxpower on February 23, 2007, 12:22:17 PM
I mean, shouldn't the Empire 8 have its own board? People that go their games to watch their teams get swept all weekend by Ithaca should at least have a place to re-live it. And I should have a place to bitch about how the Empire 8 2006 league leader in both ERA AND Batting Average doesn't win player of the year, when it happens again in 2007.

Play Ball!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 25, 2007, 01:58:57 PM
Huh?

any ideas for the league standings this year...?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on February 25, 2007, 03:37:42 PM
1. Ithaca
2. Everyone else
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 26, 2007, 08:50:58 AM
based on the additions Ithaca has made via the transfer route, I have to say John is 100 percent correct.

So the race is for second place...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 27, 2007, 11:17:04 PM
no come on we all know that fisher is going to win the E8 and then they are going to undefeated and win the NCAA's all the while they will throw a season long perfect game, no hits no walks all season long
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 28, 2007, 08:52:58 AM
Quote from: Superman57 on February 27, 2007, 11:17:04 PM
no come on we all know that fisher is going to win the E8 and then they are going to undefeated and win the NCAA's all the while they will throw a season long perfect game, no hits no walks all season long

We are way better than you Super but damn if Fisher hasn't had our number in everything else this year.  Maybe we need to clear all those emmys Rod Serling won for the Twighlight Zone out of the Library to end this madness.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: d3fan039 on February 28, 2007, 09:22:13 AM
The Empire 8 might as well do away with the baseball conference.....what is there 4 teams left. Its pointless even playing a conference schedule. With the pitching Fisher has its gonna be tough for them to contend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 28, 2007, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Dr Baseball on February 28, 2007, 09:22:13 AM
The Empire 8 might as well do away with the baseball conference.....what is there 4 teams left. Its pointless even playing a conference schedule. With the pitching Fisher has its gonna be tough for them to contend.

I'd be ok with this.  I really don't think it would change IC's schedule, national stature, or postseason chances at all.  Does anyone know if Stevens Tech will be playing baseball in the E8?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 28, 2007, 03:38:30 PM
Yeah, Stevens will be a full E8 member.  Last year the Ducks went 27-12, 13-5 in the Skyline but got 2 and BBQ'd in their conference tournament.

Poking around their website it seems like Stevens is going to be a real thorn in Ithaca's side in a lot of sports.  They made the tournament in basketball, are ranked #13 in lacrosse, ranked in the top 10 in soccer, women's soccer in the dance also, etc.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 28, 2007, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on February 28, 2007, 03:38:30 PM
Yeah, Stevens will be a full E8 member.  Last year the Ducks went 27-12, 13-5 in the Skyline but got 2 and BBQ'd in their conference tournament.

Poking around their website it seems like Stevens is going to be a real thorn in Ithaca's side in a lot of sports.  They made the tournament in basketball, are ranked #13 in lacrosse, ranked in the top 10 in soccer, women's soccer in the dance also, etc.

Dang Zack, where's the loyalty?  This is still our league they are joining.  It stays that way until there is reason to assume otherwise.

P.S. Dance?  Are they nationally recognized by ESPN?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: d3fan039 on February 28, 2007, 05:36:34 PM
Haha stop.....I dont care who stevens beat in the past.....2 and done in the skyline tourney isnt gonna cut it. That league is a joke, stevens has a long way to go if they even want to be mentioned in the same sentence with Ithaca. How hard is it to win the skyline....come on now it doesnt matter what sports they made the DANCE in.....were talking about baseball here, and even though Stevens beat a few decent teams last year....they were 2 and done in the weak skyline. I watched Centenary's ace get burried last year at the regionals against RPI. The Skyline is a mediocre league and thats all im going to say...will leave it at that
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Baseball101 on February 28, 2007, 07:57:42 PM
I dont see how somebody can say that the Skyline conference is a joke. First off, its the only conference in the nation that plays with wooden bat. Wouldnt a college player want to play with a wooden bat to see if they are able to make it on to the next level? Metal bat is very easy to hit with. Wood bat proves who can hit. Wouldnt u want a college student playing with wood bat? Look at Cortland, they play in a confernce SUNYAC. I never heard of the conference, ive heard of Cortland. But every year they recieve a bid to the regionals. And obviously the Skyline conference cant be a joke when u have a pitcher from Centenary College being drafted. Wood bat is real baseball my friend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 28, 2007, 09:16:45 PM
stevens will hopefully help bring the e8 more notarity
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: d3fan039 on February 28, 2007, 09:18:06 PM
First off the skyline league isnt the only wood bat league.....southern Connecticut (d2) plays in a wood bat league. One pitcher gettin drafting in your league doesnt make a difference one bit.....I wasnt questioning some of the talent in that league.....the freshman lefty centenary has was a quality pitcher.....The overal talent in that league from top to bottom isnt that good....theres players from places some of us have never heard that get drafted that means nothing......if your good your not going to college to play in a wood bat league, your getting drafted out of high school.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 28, 2007, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: Baseball101 on February 28, 2007, 07:57:42 PM
I dont see how somebody can say that the Skyline conference is a joke. First off, its the only conference in the nation that plays with wooden bat. Wouldnt a college player want to play with a wooden bat to see if they are able to make it on to the next level? Metal bat is very easy to hit with. Wood bat proves who can hit. Wouldnt u want a college student playing with wood bat? Look at Cortland, they play in a confernce SUNYAC. I never heard of the conference, ive heard of Cortland. But every year they recieve a bid to the regionals. And obviously the Skyline conference cant be a joke when u have a pitcher from Centenary College being drafted. Wood bat is real baseball my friend.

Really?  That's cool that they play with wood bats, I assume they're allowed to use metal in the regionals.  Makes me wonder what other equipment wackiness they got goin on in the Skyline.  Do their golf teams play with mashies, niblicks and gutta-percha balls?  White tennis balls and softballs?  However, Baseball101, if you've never heard of the SUNYAC, unless you're from the Midwest or farther out, you're simply not paying enough attention.

Mr. Chairman--come on now, you know me better than that.  Blue and Gold Uber Alles and all that jazz.  I'm just sayin they've got some tradition, we're not adding another Elmira here.  But if their dance team has never been seen on ESPN2, well then they're just second rate ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: d3fan039 on February 28, 2007, 09:29:18 PM
thankyou caz.....your right about that, if youve never heard of the sunyac then you really must not be paying too much attention
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 28, 2007, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on February 28, 2007, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: Baseball101 on February 28, 2007, 07:57:42 PM
I dont see how somebody can say that the Skyline conference is a joke. First off, its the only conference in the nation that plays with wooden bat. Wouldnt a college player want to play with a wooden bat to see if they are able to make it on to the next level? Metal bat is very easy to hit with. Wood bat proves who can hit. Wouldnt u want a college student playing with wood bat? Look at Cortland, they play in a confernce SUNYAC. I never heard of the conference, ive heard of Cortland. But every year they recieve a bid to the regionals. And obviously the Skyline conference cant be a joke when u have a pitcher from Centenary College being drafted. Wood bat is real baseball my friend.

Really?  That's cool that they play with wood bats, I assume they're allowed to use metal in the regionals.  Makes me wonder what other equipment wackiness they got goin on in the Skyline.  Do their golf teams play with mashies, niblicks and gutta-percha balls?  White tennis balls and softballs?  However, Baseball101, if you've never heard of the SUNYAC, unless you're from the Midwest or farther out, you're simply not paying enough attention.

Mr. Chairman--come on now, you know me better than that.  Blue and Gold Uber Alles and all that jazz.  I'm just sayin they've got some tradition, we're not adding another Elmira here.  But if their dance team has never been seen on ESPN2, well then they're just second rate ;D

I know the Skyline uses a stuffed monkey as a scorekeeper in women's hoops... that is a wacky equipment thing.

Seriously though, wood bats?  Lets start a list of things the Chairman doesn't care about.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: maxpower on March 01, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
Gee, I thought wood bats would be just the kind of old-school good-old-days old-ness that is right up the Chairman's alley. What's next, will you start to even look at a copy of Moneyball??


Wood bat leagues make as much of a difference, if not more, for pitchers than for hitters. They say that fewer pitchers are developing good fastballs because in college leagues jamming the inside will result in a Texas Leaguer, were a lot of the same pitches to wood bats would shatter them, and the cork inside, Mr. Sosa.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 01, 2007, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: maxpower on March 01, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
Gee, I thought wood bats would be just the kind of old-school good-old-days old-ness that is right up the Chairman's alley. What's next, will you start to even look at a copy of Moneyball??


Wood bat leagues make as much of a difference, if not more, for pitchers than for hitters. They say that fewer pitchers are developing good fastballs because in college leagues jamming the inside will result in a Texas Leaguer, were a lot of the same pitches to wood bats would shatter them, and the cork inside, Mr. Sosa.

The Chairman certainly enjoys the wood bat game better but doesn't really think that makes the Skyline a better conference.  If they have been playing with wood all season then they should be DOMINATING when they get to aluminum in the playoffs.  That was the Chairman's point.

As for Moneyball, the Chairman has touched a copy, right before wiping his ass with Bill Beane's mug...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 01, 2007, 11:26:25 AM
That's not correct about dominating when they get to the playoffs.

Aluminum and wood are two completely different bats. When you're swinging wood all year then switch to metal, there's going to be an adjustment.

You don't just go from swinging a wood bat for at least three or four months to swinging metal and smashing the ball out of the park.

If anything, the switch hurts them since they have basically a week or two to try and transition themselves from wood to aluminum just in batting practice situations and not in live game action.

Not sure if they use aluminum in non-conference games though. That has to be hard on everyone, switching bats back and forth and not getting to become completely consistant on either of them.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: d3fan039 on March 01, 2007, 12:22:45 PM
John,

I couldnt disagree with you more....the switch from wood to aluminum is not that hard.....you go all season hitting with wood then make the switch over just makes it much easier to hit the ball. With wood bats you get jammed more often and the sweet spot is much smaller, with the aluminum the sweet spot is much bigger and the room for error is greater. You dont have to hit the ball right on the sweet spot to get a good piece of the ball with aluminum.  If you been hitting with wood all season then switch to aluminum the adjustment isnt a tough as your making it sound.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 01, 2007, 01:16:38 PM
The Chairman is with the good Doctor on this point.  If you play a season with wood bats, the switch to aluminum would only be beneficial.  The oppossite switch would be hard (aluminum to wood).  Throughout the course of 20 or so games you would be developing the ability to center the ball on the sweet spot, as required by wood.  As a result, the wood bat hitters wouldn't develop as many tired/lazy habits as the metal bat hitters because their mistakes wouldn't be erased.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 01, 2007, 01:22:07 PM
Hasn't helped any of the Skyline teams in NCAA regionals. Centenary's been shut down by the Ithaca's, Cortland's and RPI's of the world and prior to that it was the same for Mount St. Mary, Old Westbury, etc etc. Though, Centenary did get their first NCAA tournament win against Endicott this past year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: d3fan039 on March 01, 2007, 01:30:56 PM
I agree John,

Id rather see the #5 NJAC team get an NCAA bid instead
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 01, 2007, 01:57:33 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 01, 2007, 01:22:07 PM
Hasn't helped any of the Skyline teams in NCAA regionals. Centenary's been shut down by the Ithaca's, Cortland's and RPI's of the world and prior to that it was the same for Mount St. Mary, Old Westbury, etc etc. Though, Centenary did get their first NCAA tournament win against Endicott this past year.

That is why I was saying that I couldn't care less about the fact that they play with wood.  They are so bad that they can't compete even with that advantage.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 01, 2007, 01:59:11 PM
Just to add something about the wood bat aluminum bat debate.  As a college player and even a high school player I always used wood bats for tee work and soft toss.  However, any bp or live situations were always done with the aluminum.  The reason for this is because swinging aluminum is significantly different than swinging wood.  Yes, wood does promote a better swing.  However, the timing makes a significant difference.  I played in summer wood bat leagues and would come back every year and there was always a transition necessary.  Athough my swing always felt more refined coming from the wood bat, it didn't always translate into success.  You have to, in a sense, relearn to swing the aluminum.  I later moved on to play professionally where wood is the only option.  Coming back and swinging aluminum, whether just for fun, does not always end up with great success.  In fact, the college players tend to handle the aluminum better than I do.  Although, there is no question who handles the wood better.  All this being said, they are just different.  It absolutely makes you a better hitter to use wood, but it doesn't mean that you will have immediate success with the aluminum.  I personally would rather see the wood at all levels, as it makes the evaluation process more exact.  But that is probably a debate for another day.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 01, 2007, 02:31:37 PM
I disagree that the number #5 NJAC team belongs in the NCAA tournament.

Some years, the NJAC is really good, like last year with Montclair State, TCNJ, Rowan and William Paterson. I think in most years, three NJAC teams belong in the tournament and those are the traditional three powers - MSU, TCNJ, and Rowan.

Putting five teams in the tournament from one conference is rewarding mediocrity. Like in men's college basketball, the Big East or one of the power leagues getting seven or eight teams in.

The Skyline Conference deserves a bid in the NCAA tournament. While they haven't had much success, that doesn't mean they don't belong. This is Division III baseball and all legitimate conferences deserve a chance to compete.

Centenary's appearance in the NCAA tournament the last two years has led to them now scheduling Cortland during the regular season. Cortland in the past has also gone down to the New York-New Jersey area to play St. Joseph's (Long Island), Stevens Tech (or just Stevens), and Manhattanville just to name a few.

While the conference is a whole is on the weaker side, you can't deny them the right to get into the NCAA tournament. What if we said that, oh, well conference A is horrible and they're no better than the ACC or the Big East and the seventh team in that league should be in over a crappy mid-to-low major. But that argument's blasted out of the water by every George Mason, Creighton, and Southern Illinois that proves they can compete on the national level.

On a Division III baseball level, Mount St. Mary, representing the Skyline in 2003, advanced to the third day of the NCAA regionals after upsetting RPI on the first day of the tournament. They lost to eventual regional winner Trinity and then Messiah.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: d3fan039 on March 01, 2007, 07:22:18 PM
John,

I dont diasgree with you about the Skyline receiving a bid....it was more of me just saying the competition in the skyline was so bad it didnt deserve one. I do feel though the NJAC deserved to get 5 teams in last season....William Patterson won the regular season title and then ran into some tough luck in the toughest league in the country and went 2 and done in the conference tourney. How do they not get in??? It seems from my experience that if your trying to get an at-large bid your better off beating up on the weaker teams instead of playing good teams.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: baseballfan12 on March 02, 2007, 11:46:32 PM
As a follower of NJ baseball, NJAC got the right number, just the wrong teams.  Rowan's guys had packed up and gone home for the summer.  They knew they didn't deserve a bid, and had to scramble just to get everyone together again to make the trip to the regionals.

See another Jersey team, Stevens, is joining the league in 2008.  Where do you guys see them fitting in?  They had some quality wins last year and always play a brutal non-conf schedule.

And apparently, Skyline has switched to metal this year for all games...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Baseball101 on March 03, 2007, 11:53:10 PM
Quote from: Dr Baseball on February 28, 2007, 09:29:18 PM
thankyou caz.....your right about that, if youve never heard of the sunyac then you really must not be paying too much attention


If a player had such great talent wouldnt he want to show his talent off using wood bat?Instead of making it easy and playing with metal, metal is so much easier then wood bat. i would think that players using wood, would get more "looks" from scouts, showing on a college level they can hit with woood.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 04, 2007, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Baseball101 on March 03, 2007, 11:53:10 PM
Quote from: Dr Baseball on February 28, 2007, 09:29:18 PM
thankyou caz.....your right about that, if youve never heard of the sunyac then you really must not be paying too much attention


If a player had such great talent wouldnt he want to show his talent off using wood bat?Instead of making it easy and playing with metal, metal is so much easier then wood bat. i would think that players using wood, would get more "looks" from scouts, showing on a college level they can hit with woood.

Wood is probably a benefit to a player that is looking to play at a higher level...Wood bats tend to produce a quicker stroke across the plate because they are heavier and a player needs to speed up the bat in order to hit the ball out in front. On the other hand Metal bats allow a player to take a longer swing. But it is much easier to hit with a metal bat and it is a definate advatage if you hit with wood all year, and then adjust to Metal.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on March 04, 2007, 11:23:30 AM
sjfcards.....

Interesting thought you have.  I've heard similar things about the wood tending to seem "quicker" through the hitting zone.  I think though that players who haven't used wood at all, except when they play summer ball, have a tendency to over compensate by swinging harder.  The dull sound of a ball hitting wood as opposed to metal, sometimes plays mind-games with a hitter until they get used to the wood sound.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 11, 2007, 07:29:09 PM
#16 Ithaca opens the 2007 season by defeating LaVerne, 14-4. The game is the start of Ithaca's weeklong spring break trip to the OC.

Ithaca notes...
-Jeremy Peters started in center field and hit lead-off
-Kurt Bednarcyk (transfer from UR) hit second and played both third and shortstop
-Rob Raux started the game behind the plate and was relieved by Drew Ash
-Josh Smith started at shortstop
-Shane Wolf and Jason Friedman both were used as the DH, Wolf started
-Todd Czerno started at second base
-Ithaca started Nick Sottung on the mound. Ryan Mays, Adam Brown and Bryan Gardner also pitched
-IC scored four runs in the fourth and seventh innings after losing a 2-0 lead in the third on a pair of LaVerne runs
-Each team had double figure hits, no surprise
-LaVerne made seven errors, Shirley none

*Peters 3-for-6, 3 R, 3 RBI
*Bednarcyk 1-for-5, 2 R, 1 RBI
*Ferguson 2-for-6, 2 RBI, 1 R
*Czerno 2-for-4, HR, 2 R, 2 RBI
*Samela 2-for-5, 2 R
*Wolf and Friedman each had a hit, Friedman tallied two RBI
*Sottung allowed three runs on eight hits in five innings.

Ithaca's trip continues tomorrow with a game against nationally ranked Kean (pronounced Kane, if you're new to the board).


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 11, 2007, 11:39:15 PM
RIT and St. John Fisher each took their spring break trips last week. Here's the results. RIT went to Arizona, St. John Fisher went to Florida.

RIT 8 Pomona 2
RIT 15 Wartburg 12
RIT 12 Wabash 4
Aurora 5 RIT 2, Aurora 6 RIT 5
RIT 4 Rockford 3
RIT 7 Lebanon Valley 4

Heck of a start for the Tigers. Stats are only updated for two games, but it looks like RIT is hitting the ball pretty well. Congrats on the big win over Wartburg. Though, the Knights look to be struggling a little to start the year.

St. John Fisher 10 Husson 4
Widener 1 St. John Fisher 0
St. John Fisher 14 John Jay 1
St. John Fisher 6 Husson 2
St. John Fisher 17 Widener 5
RPI 3 St. John Fisher 2

Kind of weird to see RPI playing St. John Fisher in any sport, let alone baseball. Especially when the programs are only four-to-five hours apart in upstate New York. Still, good start for Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 13, 2007, 12:07:50 AM
#20 Kean defeated #16 Ithaca, 11-8, this afternoon at Claremont-Mudd Scripps College in Claremont, CA

Details provided by the Kean website.

-Kean's Ryan Clark broke an 8-8 tie in the bottom of the eighth inning with a three-run homerun
-Game lasted three and a half hours, and had a combined 19 runs, 23 hits, nine errors and FIVE BALKS
-Ithaca led 6-5 after the first three innings, Kean took an 8-6 lead in the bottom of the fourth inning and Ithaca tied things up in the top of the fifth.
-Shane Wolf started for Ithaca and was pounded. He gave up eight runs on seven hits, walked four and struck out five. He was also called for two balks
-Matt LaVoie, nor Brendan Conway, would fare much better. Conway gave up the game-winning homer in the eighth after LaVoie had gotten knocked around a bit.
-Kean starter Joe Rizzo gave up six runs (three earned) on six hits in 2.1 innings

*Peters 3-for-4, 1 R, 2 SB, lead-off
*Bednarcyk 2-for-5, 1 RBI, 3B
*Raux 2-for-5, 1 R, catcher
*Ferguson 2-for-4, 3 R, first
*Samela 2-for-4, 1 R, 2 RBI
*Friedman 0-for-4, 2 R, DH

Ithaca is now 1-1 this season. The Bombers play Occidental tomorrow in LA at 2:30 PM PDT.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on March 13, 2007, 08:34:59 PM
dude that ithaca team really sucks...how could they lose a game come on...they need to fire the coach right now
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 13, 2007, 11:42:31 PM
#16 Ithaca drops its second straight. The Bombers fall to Occidental, 9-4. Shane Wolf had two hits and two RBI.

No more details available. I'll try to post some when the box goes up in the morning. IC falls to 1-2. It doesn't get any easier. They'll play Chapman tomorrow at 2:30 PM.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2007, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 13, 2007, 11:42:31 PM
#16 Ithaca drops its second straight. The Bombers fall to Occidental, 9-4. Shane Wolf had two hits and two RBI.

No more details available. I'll try to post some when the box goes up in the morning. IC falls to 1-2. It doesn't get any easier. They'll play Chapman tomorrow at 2:30 PM.

Is that for real?  Did Ithaca really lose to Occidental?  For anyone who doesn't know Occidental is one of the weakest programs in the country.  If I were a fan of Ithaca I would be very concerned by this loss.  This could be a sign that this Ithaca team could not be as good as they usually are.  For anyone who looks at Occidental's record (11-9) as an excuse they only have 2 "good" wins.  One against Whittier and this one.  If they lost to Occidental, tonight against Chapman could be a long game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 14, 2007, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: Superman57 on March 13, 2007, 08:34:59 PM
dude that ithaca team really sucks...how could they lose a game come on...they need to fire the coach right now

You misread the previous post super.  We are talking about Ithaca, not Fisher.  Bomber fans don't have quite the itchy trigger finger. +k for the sarcasm on your alma mater.

Quote from: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2007, 01:53:47 PMIs that for real?  Did Ithaca really lose to Occidental?  For anyone who doesn't know Occidental is one of the weakest programs in the country.  If I were a fan of Ithaca I would be very concerned by this loss.  This could be a sign that this Ithaca team could not be as good as they usually are.  For anyone who looks at Occidental's record (11-9) as an excuse they only have 2 "good" wins.  One against Whittier and this one.  If they lost to Occidental, tonight against Chapman could be a long game.

Take it easy.  It is their third game after spending a month in the gym.  I think it is a little rash to start jumping into gorges...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 14, 2007, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 13, 2007, 11:42:31 PM
#16 Ithaca drops its second straight. The Bombers fall to Occidental, 9-4. Shane Wolf had two hits and two RBI.

No more details available. I'll try to post some when the box goes up in the morning. IC falls to 1-2. It doesn't get any easier. They'll play Chapman tomorrow at 2:30 PM.

-Five-run fifth inning undoes the Bombers at Oxy.
-Both teams hit the ball very well and combined for 23 hits, though they also combined for 15 runners left on base.
-Ithaca led, 4-2, going into the bottom of the fifth inning. They plated one in the first, two in the fourth and one in the fifth - but wouldn't score after that.
-Adam Brown started for IC and didn't get out of the fifth inning. He allowed seven runs on nine hits. Matt Dorn relieved Brown and pitched the rest of the way. Dorn allowed a couple runs on three hits.

Offensively, not a bad showing, but the bats did cool off a little.
*Wolf 2-for-3, 2 RBI
*Smith 1-for-3, HR, 2 RBI
*Ferguson 3-for-4, 1 R
*Friedman 2-for-3
Everyone else struggled a little at the plate. Kurt Bednarcyk didn't play. It was Raux-Smith-Czerno-Friedman from left-to-right around the infield. Steve Gulotta was the starting catcher and Eric Maya didn't start either.

I'm not too worried about the result. If Ithaca's hitting the ball this well early and Rob Raux is only batting .273 with no RBI - that's a good thing. Peters and Ferguson are each hitting over .500 in the first three games.

It's still early. Ithaca will play their fourth game of the season tonight. If Oxy is 11-9 now, that would have been their 20th game. No worries. Things will be ironed out by the time the Bombers return to the South Hill.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 14, 2007, 02:48:38 PM
Other Empire 8 scores this week...

Monday
Utica 10 Colby-Sawyer 2, Colby Sawyer 4 Utica 0
*Evan Buckalew wins first game as UC's new skipper

Tuesday
Utica 8 Mount Aloysius 6, Mount Aloysius 11 Utica 2

Wednesday - Utica vs. Vassar
Thursday - Utica at Rhode Island College
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2007, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: Chairman JoseQViper on March 14, 2007, 02:36:30 PM

Take it easy.  It is their third game after spending a month in the gym.  I think it is a little rash to start jumping into gorges...

That may be, but I can't remember the last time Occidental beat anyone that would be considered a decent opponent.  That includes all of the teams who come out of the cold year in and year out.  It is very early in Ithaca's season, but I am still in shock.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: maxpower on March 14, 2007, 04:02:51 PM
Dude, this is baseball. Did you know that last year, the Devil Rays beat the Yankees once or twice??? And I heard the Royals won against the Tigers in May!

There's a reason why there's five times as many games in a baseball season as in a football season. There's a whole lotta luck in baseball.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2007, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: maxpower on March 14, 2007, 04:02:51 PM
Dude, this is baseball. Did you know that last year, the Devil Rays beat the Yankees once or twice??? And I heard the Royals won against the Tigers in May!

There's a reason why there's five times as many games in a baseball season as in a football season. There's a whole lotta luck in baseball.

It may be true that the Devil Rays beat the Yankees once or twice, however, last time I looked the Devil Rays field a team of major league players.  Occidental typically fields a team of players who have the appearance of not even playing high school ball.  It is possible that this Oxy team is the exception, but I have yet to see an Oxy team in the last seven years that I thought could compete in an average high school conference.  We are talking about a very poor program.  This may be the most significant win they have ever had.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: maxpower on March 14, 2007, 06:26:53 PM
My point was that out of any sport, maybe any sport on earth, baseball is the one where you learn the LEAST from one game. I can think of few, if any teams, where a loss by IC, especially on the Spring trip would make me stand up and worry about the season.


Besides, bad program or not, any team from SoCal has a distinct advantage over one from Upstate NY. Why do you think 50% of MLB draftees come from SoCal, Texas or Florida?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on March 14, 2007, 07:03:45 PM
I just like when IC loses and it matters not whom they lose to!
Go Cortland State!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Spree on March 14, 2007, 07:27:18 PM
ithacas spring trip really doesnt matter.  look at their last 3 years.  2004 they come back from California 5-4. 2005 2-7.  2006 5-3.  Obviously it doesnt really matter what they do out in california.  its a matter of getting sharp by the time they come back east.

and the loss to occidental...no biggie.  Look at the scores the last couple of years. each of the games ithaca won by 3 or less runs.  give me a break.  a loss to occidental is not the end of the world.  coach val usually starts a freshman against oxy anyways. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on March 14, 2007, 08:34:56 PM
FIRE JIM MULLINS!!!!!



oh wait thats basketball...well Ithaca is still the worst school in the world and they suck at baseball...they are so bad that they shouldn't even be DIII they should be Little League but even then they would only goo .500
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2007, 09:43:18 PM
Chapman University 5, Ithaca College 3
(Mar 14, 2007 at Orange, CA)
  ------------------------------------------------------------
  Ithaca College...... 002 100 000  -  3  7  0      (1-3)
  Chapman University.. 001 000 04X  -  5 10  0      (16-2)
  ------------------------------------------------------------
  Pitchers: Ithaca College - MAYS; N. SOTTUNG(8); GARDNER(8); MacDANIEL(8).
  Chapman University - Kitchens; Drag(9).
  Win-Kitchens(4-1)  Save-Drag(2)  Loss-N. SOTTUNG  T-2:50  A-105

Chapman had to come back in the eighth.  A much more respectable performance for Ithaca.  Maybe I'll bring the terror level back down to blue, "guarded".
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2007, 11:46:05 PM
By the way, I didn't add the happy faces.  I don't know what the problem is.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 16, 2007, 06:09:02 PM
Fisher's three game series with Muhlenberg was cancelled today and will not be made up. Fisher came back from the spring trip with 4 wins. I was excited to see them get off to a good start on the season.

I would say Ithaca is going to be real tough to beat over the long regular season, but does anybody think Fisher has a shot at the league, or an at large bid this year?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 16, 2007, 06:13:02 PM
Quote from: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2007, 11:46:05 PM
By the way, I didn't add the happy faces.  I don't know what the problem is.

I don't think the Ithaca pitchers were wearing happy faces.  If an 8 is followed by a ) the software recognizes it as a smiley wearing sunglasses.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 16, 2007, 06:56:26 PM
From this morning in California

Ithaca 11 Wesleyan 6

-Ithaca scores nine straight runs to eliminate a 6-2 deficit; all 11 runs are scored from the 5th inning on
-IC rips out 13 hits to Wesleyan's 9, but committs three errors
-Jason Friedman had the eventual game-winning RBI in the 7th inning
-Ithaca's deciding rally came in the bottom of the eighth inning, a four run splurge to erase Wesleyan's 6-5 lead
-Six of Ithaca's 11 runs came against the Wesleyan bullpen

*Raux 2-for-3, HR, 2 RBI, 3 R (his best game this year)
*Maya 1-for-5, HR, 2 RBI, R
*Smith 2-for-4, 2 RBI
*Perez 2-for-3, 2 R
*Czerno 1-for-2, 1 RBI
*Friedman 2-for-3, 1 RBI, 1 R
*Bednarcyk and Peters combined 1-for-7
*Gardner - W, 4.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K
*McDaniel 5.0 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 3 K

Ithaca is playing right now against Claremont-Mudd-Scripps. The Bombers had yesterday off. They end a two-game slide after losses to Oxy and Chapman. Ithaca now 2-3.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 17, 2007, 12:13:50 AM
Ithaca defeats CMS in the night cap, 15-9. The Bombers are now 3-3. No other details available.

IC plays Whittier at 9:00 AM PST on Saturday. The trip ends on Sunday when the Bombers try to cook the Sagehens of Pomona Pitzer.

Ithaca's northeast opener is against Oswego State on 3/27.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 20, 2007, 10:21:59 PM
As a guy who lives Cortland (neighbor to Ithaca) and who used to L.A. I think it is cool to see IC make that trip to LA for the spring trip. The wife (an IC grad) and I used to go to some of the Occidental, and Claremont Football, Basketball, baseball games all the time.

It is fun to see them play a team from home and see how they match up. Just a random thought but I would love to see some more cross country trips from more of the area schools.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 21, 2007, 10:18:52 AM



Quote from: John McGraw on March 17, 2007, 12:13:50 AMIthaca's northeast opener is against Oswego State on 3/27.

I just noticed this John.  I am not sure if you were going for the joke here or not but +k nevertheless.  Of course, only you, Max Power, and I probably get it...oh well.  Why do they even put a date on this game?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on March 21, 2007, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: Chairman JoseQViper on March 21, 2007, 10:18:52 AM



Quote from: John McGraw on March 17, 2007, 12:13:50 AMIthaca's northeast opener is against Oswego State on 3/27.

I just noticed this John.  I am not sure if you were going for the joke here or not but +k nevertheless.  Of course, only you, Max Power, and I probably get it...oh well.  Why do they even put a date on this game?

Seriously.   All IC non-conference spring dates should be listed as versus the University of Yeah Freaking Right on the 12th of Never.  The game will be moved to Cornell's Schoellkopf Field, then canceled entirely.

The Bombers lost that game to Pomona-Pitzer 4-1.  W-Mandelblatt (Mandelbaum!! Mandelbaum!!) L - Adam Brown; CF Matt Samela with two hits for IC.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: realistic on March 22, 2007, 03:36:35 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on March 21, 2007, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: Chairman JoseQViper on March 21, 2007, 10:18:52 AM

Quote from: John McGraw on March 17, 2007, 12:13:50 AMIthaca's northeast opener is against Oswego State on 3/27.

I just noticed this John.  I am not sure if you were going for the joke here or not but +k nevertheless.  Of course, only you, Max Power, and I probably get it...oh well.  Why do they even put a date on this game?

Seriously.   All IC non-conference spring dates should be listed as versus the University of Yeah Freaking Right on the 12th of Never.  The game will be moved to Cornell's Schoellkopf Field, then canceled entirely.

haha - they should just schedule all at the games in Ithaca.  It always amazed me what the grounds crew guys could do to get games played.  Spring sports in Ithaca is HELL.

Can't be too many schools that have a May 18th Graduation postponed due to snow.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on March 22, 2007, 05:28:45 PM
sfj,

All the northeas teams go south or west... most to Florida, some to Phoenix and every year at least one goes to California.  What would be nice is if a western or southern team took a trip through the northeast in April so they could feel what real spring baseball is like... 40 degree temps with 30 degree wind chills in a nice comfortable drizzle...  :-\

On second thought, would be impossible with conference play at that time, so lets just keep going south and west in early March.   ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2007, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Bob Maxwell on March 22, 2007, 05:28:45 PM
sfj,

All the northeas teams go south or west... most to Florida, some to Phoenix and every year at least one goes to California.  What would be nice is if a western or southern team took a trip through the northeast in April so they could feel what real spring baseball is like... 40 degree temps with 30 degree wind chills in a nice comfortable drizzle...  :-\

On second thought, would be impossible with conference play at that time, so lets just keep going south and west in early March.   ;D
I agree.  Let's reciprocate and have New York football teams come to West Texas for an afternoon football game on Labor Day weekend...102 Degrees, Temperature Humidity Index of 110, played on artificial turf!  :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on March 22, 2007, 10:11:14 PM
LOL... thanks for the chuckle Ralph.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on March 24, 2007, 11:08:33 AM
or better yet Ralph a west texas team should come up around thanksgiving and play a northeast team on real grass...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 25, 2007, 06:14:38 PM
(Note: This is the second post. I had written out a majority of it before accidentally hitting one of the buttons above and losing everything.)

Ithaca wins their first game on the east coast of the 2007 season this afternoon in Maryland. The Bombers best the Shoremen of Washington College, 6-1.

-The game was originally postponed along with a twin bill against Gettysburg because of rain. Apparently, the conditions got better and this game was able to be played - probably with a slight chill in the air.
-Bombers bash out 12 hits and score six runs
-IC pitchers allowed just seven hits and Matt LaVoie earned the win (jeez, seems like he's been there forever).
-Ithaca scored single runs in each of the first three innings and never trailed. Washington's only run came in the sixth inning
-Bombers use a slightly different outfield line-up according to LiveStats. Peters in left field, Samela in center and Wolf in right.
-Raux was behind the plate, Bednarcyk at short and Dylan Perez attending to the hot corner. Todd Czerno at second, Ferguson on first. Josh Smith got the day off.

*LaVoie 6.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K; McDaniel 2.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K; Gardner 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 K
*Ferguson 2-for-5, 3 RBI
*Raux 3-for-4, HR (solo), 2 RBI
*Samela 2-for-5
*Maya 1-for-1, 2 R
*Everyone had a hit for Ithaca except Friedman and Peters.

Ithaca is scheduled to open their home schedule on Tuesday against Oswego State. This is one of the earliest home openers I can remember at Freeman Field. My senior year, I think the opener was on April 1, against Oswego - and I thought that was early.

It won't get any easier in terms of home dates and weather. Ithaca hosts New Paltz on Wednesday and then has back-to-back doubleheaders against St. John Fisher on Saturday and Sunday.

Overall, only seven home dates for Ithaca this year. The majority will come by the end of the week. The only other home games are Oneonta 4/10, Cortland 4/18 and Mansfield (seriously) 4/29. Bombers also will play a "home game" against St. Lawrence on May 1. The game will be at Falcon Park in Auburn.

Weather for this week on the South Hill looks about average for this time of year. Rain in the forecast tomorrow, then cloudy skies and 55 degree temps on Tuesday. That's about right, maybe a little warm. Wednesday will be the same, but the high may not get out of the 40s. Then, rain and snow in the forecast this weekend. No surprise.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 27, 2007, 09:48:10 AM
Shocker:

http://bombers.ithaca.edu/News/baseball/2007/3/27/Base%20schedule%20032707.asp?path=baseball

Hmm..it's like I can see the future:

Quote from: Chairman JoseQViper on March 21, 2007, 10:18:52 AM



Quote from: John McGraw on March 17, 2007, 12:13:50 AMIthaca's northeast opener is against Oswego State on 3/27.

I just noticed this John.  I am not sure if you were going for the joke here or not but +k nevertheless.  Of course, only you, Max Power, and I probably get it...oh well.  Why do they even put a date on this game?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 28, 2007, 07:00:13 PM
Ithaca 5 New Paltz 2

The Bombers win their home opener against the SUNYAC Hawks and improve to 6-4.

*Start of the game was delayed until 4:00 PM. I'm guessing this is because of the great March weather on the South Hill. Good thing for the extra hour of daylight, or else this one might have been cancelled like the Oswego game.
*Ithaca scored five straight runs, between the fourth and eighth innings, to overcome a 1-0 deficit.
*IC used a pitcher by committee for this game. Five Bombers pitchers were used including Nick Sottung, Ryan Mays, Adam Brown, Shane Wolf and Bryan Gardner. None pitched more than two innings and Brown was credited with the win. Brown was the pitcher of record when Ithaca took the lead.
*New Paltz went ahead, 1-0, on a RBI groundout in the second.
*Eric Maya tied the game in the fourth with a sacrifice fly. A passed ball on NP and a Jeremy Peters RBI single in the sixth plated two runs in the sixth, giving IC the lead
*Josh Smith remained out of the line-up. He hasn't played since Ithaca returned home from California. Hopefully he's OK.
*Alan Kartholl started at third base, basically in the place of Smith. Raux caught and Drew Ash didn't play either.
*Ithaca's game against Oswego has been re-scheduled to April 11th.

*Peters 3-for-4, 1 RBI, 1 R
*Wolf 2-for-5, 1 RBI
*Ferguson 2-for-4, 1 R
*Maya 1-for-2, RBI
*Sottung 2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 K; Mays 2.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R
*Brown 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K; Wolf 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K
*Gardner 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Spree on March 29, 2007, 05:34:42 PM
Rumor has it that Smith may have caught the injury bug, and Ash may be done for the season.  Big losses if this is the case.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 31, 2007, 11:25:16 AM
LiveStats will be available for Ithaca's doubleheader today and tomorrow against St. John Fisher College.

Here's the link.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/ithaca/baseball/

WICB/VIC isn't broadcasting because the 50-Hour Marathon is this weekend. Thanks to the person who reminded me of that since I definitely forgot. Great cause, be sure to check it out online if you have a chance.

www.ithaca.edu/radio/vic

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 01, 2007, 11:29:03 AM
Saturday scores from the Empire 8

St. John Fisher 5 Ithaca 4 (10)
Ithaca 3 St. John Fisher 1

RIT 4 Utica 3
RIT 4 Utica 1

Game one: RIT's Dylan Rees hurled a complete-game seven-hitter with six strikeouts and one walk. He allowed three runs. Utica's starter, Justin Snyder, didn't fare as well. He went three innings, gave up three runs on three hits and walked six. But, UC reliever Brandon Jacobsen allowed the game-winner. His error and two combined UC errors in the seventh, allowed the eventual winning run to score. Three RIT players had one hit each. John Tine socked a homer for the Pios. UC made four errors.

Game two: Chris Miller threw a complete-game four-hitter, striking out nine, as RIT swept the twin bill. He didn't walk anyone and faced only five more batters than the minimum. RIT pounded out eight hits and put up a four-spot in the second to provide the difference. Seven Tigers had at least one hit and Brian Lindeneau had two.

They all do it again today at Freeman Field in Ithaca and Murnane Field in Utica.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 01, 2007, 11:53:38 AM
Ithaca opened up Empire 8 play with a split against the evil (ha ha, just kidding) St. John Fisher Cardinals at Freeman Field. Fisher won the opener, 5-4, in ten innings. IC triumphed in the night cap, 3-1. Though, think about it, if Ithaca has any rival in the conference, in all sports, it has to be St. John Fisher.

GAME ONE
*Mike Palermo singled home former LeMoyne outfielder Matt Bennage in the top of the tenth for the game-winning hit. Bennage had reached base to start the inning on a throwing error by IC.
*Ithaca led, 3-1, before Fisher took a 4-3 lead in the top of the seventh with three runs on three hits. The Bombers tied the game in the bottom half of the frame on a RBI single by Jeremy Peters.
*Bryan Gardner allowed the winning run. He pitched four innings in relief, gave up four hits, one run (unearned) and struck out two.
*Ryan Mays started for Ithaca and pitched into the seventh. He was relieved by Pete McDaniel. McDaniel did not record an out and faced three batters.
*Josh Smith returned to the Bombers line-up after not playing since the team returned home from California. He started at shortstop. Kurt Bednarcyk played second and Todd Czerno came off the bench. Rob Raux was the catcher and Alan Kartholl played third base. Ferguson, Maya and Peters played in the outfield.
*St. John Fisher's Mike Belmont took the win. He pitched 3.1 innings of relief, allowed one hit, walked four and struck out one.
*Ithaca stranded the bases loaded in the ninth inning. With a runner on base and two outs, Peters and Raux were intentionally walked. The ploy worked, as Shane Wolf grounded out to end the inning
*IC's three-run outburst in the third inning was keyed by a Rob Raux two-run single. He later scored on a RBI single from Eric Ferguson.
*St. John Fisher tallied 13 hits and they were solid on offense, like they have been in recent years. Five different Cardinals had two hits each.
*Jeremy Peters accounted for three of Ithaca's eight hits. No one else had more than one.
*Peters 3-for-3, 1 R, 1 RBI; Raux 1-for-2, 1 R, 2 RBI; Bednarcyk 1-for-4, 2 R; Smith 0-for-5; Wolf 0-for-5; Friedman 1-for-5
*Mays 6.0 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 3 K; McDaniel 0.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB; Gardner 4.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 K

GAME TWO
*Nick Sottung pitched a complete-game two-hitter and Ithaca took advantage of timely hitting to provide for a 3-1 win.
*Ithaca tallied just four hits and scored single runs in the fifth and sixth to provide for the final margin.
*Josh Smith and Rob Raux had two hits apiece for IC. Smith doubled in the fifth and scored the game-winner on a sac fly from Todd Czerno. The next inning, Smith doubled home Bryan Gardner with an insurance run. Raux singled home Kurt Bednarcyk in the first to put IC up 1-0.
*Todd Czerno started game two at second base. Bednarcyk played third and Smith was at shorstop. Raux again behind the plate. Maya, Ferguson, Peters and Samela all spent time in the outfield.
*Sottung is now 3-1 and is two wins away from becoming the 13th Bomber in history to record 20 career wins. He's only a junior.
*Fisher starter Chad King didn't fare too well. He pitched 5.2 innings, allowed three runs (all earned) on four hits with four walks and one strikeout. Though, at the plate, he had one of Fisher's two hits off Sottung. Bryan Hart had the other.
*Back-to-back walks and a RBI single by Bryan Matt provided Fisher's only run.
*Sottung 7.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 9 K (season high)
*Raux 2-for-3, 1 RBI; Smith 2-for-3, 1 R, 1 RBI; Czerno 0-for-1, RBI; Bednarcyk 0-for-1, 1 R, 2 BB
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 01, 2007, 06:16:46 PM
Sunday Scores

Ithaca 8 St. John Fisher 1
Ithaca 3 St. John Fisher 0

RIT @ Utica PPD RAIN

E8 Standings (By Points)
Ithaca 3-1, 6pts; RIT 2-0, 4pts; St. John Fisher 1-3, 2pts; Utica 0-2, 0pts
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 10, 2007, 06:58:22 PM
Ithaca 4 Oneonta 1
Oneonta 6 Ithaca 3
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on April 11, 2007, 12:15:59 PM
I see Ithaca is just 10-7 so far, looks like a rough season for the Bombers.  What does Pool B look like?  Is IC in danger of actually missing regionals for the first time in a way longer time than I can remember?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 11, 2007, 01:20:45 PM
They'll be fine.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 12, 2007, 11:47:39 AM
Speaking of being fine....

On Wednesday at Freeman Field

Ithaca 9 Oswego 1

That'd be a great hockey rivalry if Ithaca had a Division III team and they were good. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 14, 2007, 11:22:46 AM
Friday in Purchase...

Ithaca 13 Manhattanville 8
Manhattanville 10 Ithaca 7

*It was the first time that Ithaca and Manhattanville have played baseball against one another. Jeff Caufield, Manhattanville's head coach, is a graduate of SUNY Cortland.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 14, 2007, 11:24:44 AM
Empire 8 standings

The same. The weather and lack of conference games keeps them pretty much the same as two weeks ago.

Ithaca 3-1 (6); RIT 2-0 (4); St John Fisher 1-3 (2); Utica 0-2 (0)

Remember, the Empire 8 uses the points system. As far as I can tell, RIT and St. John Fisher are playing two today at Dugan Yard. We'll see what the weather has in store for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 14, 2007, 09:26:05 PM
RIT 3 St. John Fisher 1
St. John Fisher 2 RIT 1

Ithaca 3-1 (6); RIT 3-1 (6); St. John Fisher 2-4 (4); Utica 0-2 (0)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 14, 2007, 11:10:30 PM
BIG games at RIT on May 5th and 6th!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2007, 09:26:02 PM
Today...

St. John Fisher 7 Rochester Tech 0
St. John Fisher 8 Rochester Tech 2

Empire 8 Standings...
(remember, we're using the point system)

St. John Fisher 4-4 (8); Ithaca 3-1 (6); RIT 3-3 (6); Utica 0-2 (0)

Ithaca vs. Utica this weekend at Donovan Stadium
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Rowdy Rowdy Bomber on April 21, 2007, 10:43:28 AM
EHHHHH FOOOTBALL!


RRB is off to Happy Valley today to catch the Penn St. Spring game.  College football in April... who knew?!

Very "Exited"
-RRB-
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 21, 2007, 09:18:20 PM
Today at Donovan Stadium.....

Ithaca 12 Utica 6
Ithaca 29 Utica 1

Thank you sir, may I have another? That's the most runs by an Ithaca team since a 37-11 whitewash over Cazenovia in 2005.

With the sweep, Ithaca takes over first place in the Empire 8.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 22, 2007, 05:25:45 PM
Ithaca completes the sweep today at Donovan Stadium

Ithaca 10 Utica 3
Ithaca 6 Utica 0

Empire 8 Standings

Ithaca 7-1 (14); St. John Fisher 4-4 [8];  RIT 3-3 (6); Utica 0-6 (0)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 25, 2007, 09:32:41 PM
Ithaca 6 Rochester 4
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on April 25, 2007, 10:53:21 PM
John......

Errors kill!!!!  Their fundamentals fell apart.  They are a better team than what they showed the last two days.  The score today might have been the other way if the fundamentals were there.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 27, 2007, 12:19:43 AM
Ithaca 8 Clarkson 3 @ Watertown, New York
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 28, 2007, 06:39:14 PM
Empire 8 Saturday scores...

Ithaca 5 Brockport 0
Ithaca 2 Brockport 1

Huge wins for Ithaca, beating a team ranked ahead of them in the regional rankings. That should vault Ithaca into third place behind RPI and Cortland. Busy week for the Bombers coming up with seven games, including the final Empire 8 set with RIT on the road. The upcoming schedule also leads me to believe that Falcon Park in Auburn could again be the host site of the regionals.

4/30 @ Oswego State
5/1 vs. St. Lawrence (Falcon Park)
5/2 vs. Oswego State (Falcon Park)
5/5 @ RIT (2)
5/6 @ RIT (2)

Utica 5 St. John Fisher 2
St. John Fisher 18 Utica 3

Standings

Ithaca 7-1; RIT 5-3; St. John Fisher 5-5; Utica 1-9
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 28, 2007, 07:14:19 PM
Big games on the weekend with RIT and Ithaca...

How is RPI rated ahead of those two teams?  just wondering....
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2007, 11:14:47 AM
They should be ahead of RIT. I don't think RIT merits to be in the top five.

Why RPI is ahead of Ithaca? I dunno. Things will even out in the end.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 29, 2007, 11:54:19 AM
I meant ahead of Brockport and Ithaca...

Glad you agree with Ithaca, but I ask the same of Brockport...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2007, 12:15:35 PM
Oh, hmm, no, they don't deserve to be ahead of Brockport either.

RPI has had a really strange year. This team reminds of the one they had in 2004 that managed to catch lightning in a bottle and win the Liberty (or was it UCAA then) tournament as a low seed. That team limped into the NCAAs and was dispatched by Ithaca and Cortland in the last regional to be played at Joe Bruno Stadium in Troy.

The only real losses from last year are Passante and Yarnold. Passante's a bigger loss, because RPI doesn't have that amazing hitter at the top of the line-up that can get on base a lot and change the game with his speed. Pollard's a hell of an athlete, but he's no Passante. Yarnold pitched well for RPI last year and formed a great 1-2 combo with Luke Calzone.

If there's any disappointment this year, it has to be Calzone. He went 10-0 last year and then pitched in the NECBL and he had been one of their better prospects, because of his great stuff as a left-handed pitcher. This year, he hasn't had that same zest. 2-2 with a 4.76 ERA in six starts. The aces of the staff have been freshman John Dreimiller and junior Joe Zongol. Zongol had kind of an underwhelming year last year but this sesaon he's been lights out.

And I think this year a little of RPI's mystique is running low and it has been since the loss to Ithaca at the NCAA regionals last year. The next day, they're blown out of the water by a pesky St. Lawrence team that had won the conference tournament. Surprisingly, St. Lawrence was the team that played Eastern Connecticut the toughest in the Auburn regional.

This year, RPI's struggled in conference. They've split with Rochester and St. Lawrence and aren't dominating the conference like they have in the years past. This could be the second time in the last three years that RPI has not hosted the conference tournament. Skidmore hosted and won the Liberty tournament in 2005 behind Matt and Mike Rivers.

Hell, RPI has struggled out of conference with narrow wins over MCLA and Castleton State and losses to Williams and New Paltz. Traditionally, the Red Hawks defeat all of those four teams by wide margins.

In the end though, RPI is still RPI. If they can get on a role and return their swagger, they'll be a tough out in the Liberty tournament. It's a team that's not used to losing in the conference tournament and has been there before and knows what it takes. They have two more against Skidmore today then Vassar next week. That should put them on a good role into the Liberty tournament at Rochester or Canton.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2007, 06:38:04 PM
Sunday scores

St. John Fisher 9 Utica 2
St. John Fisher 13 Utica 5

Standings..

Ithaca 7-1 (14); St. John Fisher 7-5 (14); RIT 5-3 (10); Utica 1-11 (2)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 30, 2007, 07:06:42 PM
Tough start to the week for Ithaca

Oswego 4 Ithaca 3
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 02, 2007, 10:26:13 PM
Tuesday....

Ithaca 2 St. Lawrence 0

Wednesday...

Ithaca 12 Oswego 6

Coach Valesente earns his 800th career win as the head coach of the Bombers. Overall, he has won 870 games.

Next up, a four-game series at Rochester Tech.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2007, 04:28:07 PM
Just in from Rochester....

Rochester Tech 6 Ithaca 2

*Game two in progress. IC and RIT will play another doubleheader tomorrow as well.

Standings

Ithaca 7-2; St. John Fisher 7-5; RIT 6-3; Utica 1-11
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
Game two

Ithaca 9 RIT 5

*An IC six-run sixth inning helps erase a three-run deficit and gives the Bombers a share of the Empire 8 title. Ithaca can take the title outright with one victory tomorrow.

Standings
Ithaca 8-2; St. John Fisher 7-5; RIT 6-4; Utica 1-11
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 06, 2007, 07:25:58 PM
Ithaca Clinches Empire 8 Title

RIT 4 Ithaca 1
Ithaca 11 RIT 5

*Well, not the prettiest way to get it done, but good enough. No AQ with the league title. Ithaca will have to hope its wins over Brockport, Rochester and St. Lawrence over the last few weeks will overshadow the two losses in four games to RIT. Obviously I'm biased, but I think they'll be alright.

Final Standings

Ithaca 9-3; St. John Fisher 7-5; RIT 7-5; Utica 1-11
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Spree on May 06, 2007, 10:59:08 PM
Ithaca will get in.  Their reputation alone will get them in.  The committee knows they can safely add them to the mix because they can put up a fight with everyone.  They wouldnt put someone in who gets embarrassed every year.

I think the 4 game series is a joke.  Gives teams like Fisher and RIT a chance to get a win over Ithaca.  In my mind winning 3 of 4 is essentially a sweep.  But then again, the Empire 8 with 4 teams is also a joke.  i think a 3 game series is the way to go.  The addition of Stevens Tech next yr will definately improve the conference, if you can call it a conference.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on May 07, 2007, 09:13:51 AM
3 games series definately gives a good indication of who is the better TEAM.
In a 4 games series, winning all 4 games is tough and boring, seeing the same team 4 times in 2 days. Maybe the games should be broken up a little, home and away double headers, early and late instead of 4 game sets. 4 games gives the worst team a better chance to win, especially if they are smart and throw their #1 and #2 the 3rd and 4th game. u know the best team is going to throw #1 and #2 the first day. strategy comes into play in 4 game series.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: baseballisneat on May 07, 2007, 02:32:25 PM
I am a Rochester community member and I attended the RIT vs. Ithaca series. I just wanted to say that RIT is not a bad baseball team. They did give Ithaca a run for their money (minus the last game where costly errors killed them early). RIT won the 1st and 3rd games, and were leading the 2nd game until a huge Ithaca inning.

If they had played only the first 3 games rather than 4, RIT would have taken it 2 of 3 (in this series -- Ithaca won games 2 and 4).

I believe a 4 game series is great for the Empire 8 conference. It really shows the true depth of a team rather than relying on them throwing a 1 and 2 guy all the time.

Also, in RIT's defense, they have won a against Pomona-Pitzer, Wartburg, 2 vs Brockport, 2 vs Ithaca, and 2 vs St. Lawrence. However they did lose 3 of 4 to Fisher, and 2 to Rochester. (looking at their schedule)

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Spree on May 07, 2007, 03:37:26 PM
I definately agree that RIT is the 2nd best team in the Empire 8.  They are much improved over the last couple of seasons.  Obviously, as you pointed out, they have some quality wins (Ithaca, Brockport, Pomona, etc.)  I'm not trying to take anything away from them.  Plus they beat Ithaca's #1 Sottung in the 3rd game which is something to be proud of.

I still think a 4 game series is a joke though.  Originally, i thought the 4 game set would create more of a rivalry.  But i think it has turned out to be boring.  You dont need to see the same team 4 times.  I dont think it proves much.  I think 2-3 games should be the max.  I think they threw in the 4th just to get their money's worth on travel expenses. 

The Empire 8 conference is a joke as it is with 4 teams.  I would like to see more teams added to the point where the winner gets an automatic bid.  Until then, I dont see anyone coming out of the E8 besides Ithaca.
Title: SkyLine to Empire 8
Post by: 07FroshYear on July 31, 2007, 01:16:59 PM
Son going to MSMC next year, will be playing baseball.
Been reading these threads and have read that the Skyline is moving to the Empire 8 and that Metal Bats will be used  :-\.
Can someone confirm this...
He/We liked the idea of wooden bats in College....
Thanks,
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2007, 01:29:56 PM
Only Stevens is moving to the Empire 8.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: 07FroshYear on July 31, 2007, 08:30:14 PM
Thanks Pat.. Any truth to the message about Skyline using metal bats...
Spend summers on the Cape and like watching baseball with wooden bats...
Thanks, look forward to the up-coming season...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on August 03, 2007, 03:34:00 PM
I wish everyone would use wood... but don't know of any conference that does.  And if they did, would put themsleves at a disadvantage in non-league games as the opponents would most likely be using aluminum...

I don't have first hand knowledge of what the Skyline does, but can't imagine they would if no one else does.

And again, I wish everyone would use wood...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on August 03, 2007, 05:01:32 PM
The Skyline is back to using aluminum.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on August 03, 2007, 10:51:11 PM
Bob,

I believe that Division II Northeast 10, that includes Pace, Franklin Pierce, Bentley, Bryant, Southern Connecticut and others, plays with wood for their conference games and switches to metal for non-conference games. By the time the tournaments roll around they've played plenty of games with both. The switch doesn't seem to slow Franklin Pierce at all.

Phil
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on August 04, 2007, 10:41:15 AM
WrongArm,

Interesting... thanks.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on February 27, 2008, 03:12:00 PM
... no posts for the Empire 8 since August... I guess I'll break the drought...

2008 Empire 8 Baseball Preseason Coaches Poll
1.   Ithaca College                                16 points
2.   St. John Fisher College                    13
3.   Rochester Institute of Technology       8
      Stevens Institute of Technology         8
5.   Utica College                                  5

Maybe the addition of Stevens Tech will make this 5-team league a bit more interesting. I haven't followed ny d3 baseball for very long... but I remember Hartwick dropping baseball. Is there any hope of ever fielding 7 teams in this conference?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 27, 2008, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on February 27, 2008, 03:12:00 PMa bit more interesting.

Before it gets more interesting, it must first become interesting, which it hasn't been ... ever.  The Bombers really need more than one Cortland and RPI as challenging games during the regular season.

Quote from: WrongArm on February 27, 2008, 03:12:00 PMI haven't followed ny d3 baseball for very long... but I remember Hartwick dropping baseball. Is there any hope of ever fielding 7 teams in this conference?

Probably not.  I don't forsee the E8 adding a lot of all sports members anytime soon.  Why would they?  They got autos in most sports already.  First priority is finding a football only member I would presume.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on February 27, 2008, 04:35:05 PM
JoseQViper.....

Gee, I didn't realize that Ithaca played against so many "cupcake" teams???  Playing against Cortland as you mentioned, then Brockport, Montclair State, Cal, St.John Fisher, RIT, and even the Liberty League teams, I really didn't see many blow-out games in their stats.   And, if I'm not mistaken, I didn't see where they played RPI last season??  You make the Ithaca team seem like they don't have a challenging schedule, past or present.  Ithaca has a very good program, but don't think their competition isn't challenging for them.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 27, 2008, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on February 27, 2008, 04:35:05 PM
JoseQViper.....

Gee, I didn't realize that Ithaca played against so many "cupcake" teams???  Playing against Cortland as you mentioned, then Brockport, Montclair State, Cal, St.John Fisher, RIT, and even the Liberty League teams, I really didn't see many blow-out games in their stats.   And, if I'm not mistaken, I didn't see where they played RPI last season??  You make the Ithaca team seem like they don't have a challenging schedule, past or present.  Ithaca has a very good program, but don't think their competition isn't challenging for them.

Interesting points.  Not sure you really refuted my point.  I will concede that we did not play RPI last season, which is a shame as that was a good three game set over a weekend.  Other than that, outside of Montclair, you really haven't proved that there is a lot of competition for IC in upstate new york.

For example:

IC's all time record against:


Brockport 6-3

Montclair State 11-11

Cal (I assume you mean the spring trip.  There are too man teams out there to add up our all time record against them).

St.John Fisher 16 2

RIT 55-14

the Liberty League teams
UR 47-6 (which includes, for the record, 8 straight wins).
Caz 3-0 (including a 37-11 win...is that a blowout?).
Clarkson 61-13
Hamilton 7-1
Bart 47-3
RPI 61-22
St. Lawrence 73-16

that adds up to 387-92 against the teams you referenced in your post.  Not exactly competition.

Just like football, everyone wants to write off IC as being overconfident or relying solely on past success, yet no one touches them.  Cortland deserves to heckle us a little this year after our collapse in the regional but, they still can't win the big one.

While I agree that upstate baseball is certainly improving, there is no reason to overstate its current quality.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on February 27, 2008, 05:46:34 PM
Woah woah woah Jose.. No one is arguing that Ithaca is not good.  Infact their program is very strong.  But let's also be serious here for a moment, when is the last time Ithaca was even in the world series?  You speak of these other programs and post historic records, which is fine, but until the last 7 - 8 years, those programs didn't even have full-time coaches.  The landscape of NY Region baseball is completely different now.  I'd argue that many teams in New York State have consistently improved over the last few years while Ithaca has been sitting in the same spot, playing second fiddle to Cortland or to a team from outside of the region.  Yes your program is very good and is historically one of the best programs ever.  Let's also remember that most other teams have to make it through a conference tournament.  Ithaca on the other hand is handed a bid every single year.  Yes they do play a difficult schedule but there have been some years in the past where Ithaca was very borderline deserving to be in the tournament.  I'd say 2005 may have been one of those years, and I'd bet if the program didn't have so much history behind it, a team with a similar schedule/record without the name "Ithaca" would not have made the tournament that year.  So before you hate on the rest of the region, many of those teams in the last 5 to 10 years have been improving while Ithaca is that "other team in New York".   In my opinion, Cortland deserves to heckle you guys a lot, you havent been to the world series since 1994.  RPI and Brockport have been to it more recently than you guys and Cortland has been there four times since 2000.  Even a team like St John Fisher, which 5 years ago or so was playing at East Rochester High School, is up and coming, which they proved last year by winning a few games in regionals.  I'd also argue that it's far more difficult to win a national championship now than it was 20 or 30 years ago.  So I will write Ithaca off as being over confident until they do what Cortland, RPI, and Brockport have done this decade, win the "big one" in the regionals and get to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on February 27, 2008, 08:21:22 PM
Viper,
     Holy cripe.  I've got to say that I normally wouldn't care too much about the E8, but I'm miffed by your comments.  I will agree with your point that the E8 as a conference is pretty weak.  Fisher is on it's way, and seem to be building a program that can last.  Pretty weak after that.

     As for your other comments, let me be the first to welcome you back from 1993.  How was the Gin Blossoms concert? Ithaca is still a good program, but they ain't what they used to be.  Talking about the Bombers all time records vs. these schools (Caz, really?? As in Cazenovia???) is like saying Madonna is a good looking woman.  Maybe a long time ago, but definitely on the wrong side of prime. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on February 27, 2008, 09:39:12 PM
JoseQViper....

My apologies.....I wasn't trying to incite a vigorous exchange of words with my questions or comments.  I was just trying to say that Ithaca has a very good program and that Cortland and RPI are not the only teams that should get some consideration from you.  In your response with all of those stats, it speaks volumes about the success of Ithaca as a powerful program from the New York region, as are many other programs.

I don't dispute what they have done, I was just trying to make a point that although winning is how a program is judged, don't make lite of the fact that there are other good programs in upstate New York.  And like "BaseB13 and pudge27" stated, these other programs are on the rise.  Remember, like I have stated before in other 'posts' on this web site, players gravitate toward those successful programs with hopes of gaining a chance to play on a national contending championship team.  Until the school can hoist-up that NCAA DIII Championship trophy, it is good to be somewhat humble.    :)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 28, 2008, 09:13:36 AM
1.  Anyone ready to post the "NY is improving" take can just stop plagiarizing me.  Restating what I posted is not a counterargument.

2.  I stand by my statement that outside of Cortland and one or two other games (I hastily included RPI even though they aren't on our schedule and now, in retrospect, will add non-NY teams such as Montclair or the teams in California after good counterpoints) IC's regular season is a total snoozefest as the vast majority of the teams simply are not competitive.

3. I posted the all-time records to respond to this:
Quote from: BoomerIL on February 27, 2008, 04:35:05 PMYou make the Ithaca team seem like they don't have a challenging schedule, past or present.

4.  I included Caz on the list because there was a reference made to the challenge the Liberty League poses to IC.

5. 
Quote from: pudge27 on February 27, 2008, 08:21:22 PMAs for your other comments, let me be the first to welcome you back from 1993.  How was the Gin Blossoms concert?
  That is pretty good, +k.  But I am pretty sure this is re-cycled from another board earlier this winter.  Still funny though.

6. 
Quote from: BaseB13 on February 27, 2008, 05:46:34 PMSo I will write Ithaca off as being over confident until they do what Cortland, RPI, and Brockport have done this decade, win the "big one" in the regionals and get to Wisconsin.
 
There is no "big one" in regionals.  That is just the point.  For a reference, see Bills, Buffalo; Broncos, Denver; Braves, Atlanta; Indians, Cleveland.

EDIT: Ah, what the hell, +k all around.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on February 28, 2008, 12:01:01 PM
Boomer... I hope your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek for that apology. Jose is leading with his chin. Ithaca hasn't played a game this year and he's already running to the trophy case, Windex in hand.

I mentioned Stevens earlier not just because they're new in the E8, but because they're playing an impressive non-conference schedule. By the time Ithaca visits the Hoboken plastic grass at the end of March, Stevens will have played Salisbury, Kean, Eastern Connecticut, Johns Hopkins and Wooster. I don't know if they've got the talent to play with Ithaca, but they certainly should be ready to face tough competition. Maybe Jose won't have to snooze through the weekend.

Regardless of the outcome, I give Stevens credit for the commitment and effort to become as competitive as possible. This is certainly a good thing for the conference. Then again, maybe the E8 ought to give up on baseball altogether since only 5 of 9 members play the game.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 12:49:23 PM
Jose, Caeznovia is not in the Liberty League, where you get that from?  WrongArm, Stevens has a decent program and they do play a very strong schedule.  I think last year or the year before they were a game away from appearing in the Regionals and had a pretty strong record.. Ithaca is good no doubt about it but Jose is delusional about just how good they are.  Let's see Ithaca beats all the Liberty League teams and SUNYAC teams because when they have to play Utica four times in one weekend they can throw their JV pitchers.  Then they have all their top arms to throw against non conference opponents mid week such as Rochester, Cortland, Clarkson, St Lawrence etc.  So while those teams are throwing their number 5 or piecing together a game with 5 different pitchers, Ithaca can save their top arms for the best teams they possibly play because their conference games are completely meaningless.  Being an independent team gives them a tremendous advantage with scheduling and beating the best teams on their schedule. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on February 28, 2008, 01:25:08 PM
BaseB13...

Utica may have had a lousy record last year but I don't think Ithaca screws around with any conference games. Last season against Utica:
     Game 1 -- Jeremy Peters 6.0 innings, Pete McDaniel 1.0 innings
     Game 2 -- Adam Brown 6.0 innings, Ryan Mays 1.0 inning
     Game 3 -- Shane Wolf 7.0 innings
     Game 4 -- Nick Sotung 6.0 innings, Matt Lavoie 1.0 inning
This doesn't look like the JV pitching staff to me. Besides, Ithaca plays Utica on a single weekend. Are you suggesting the E8 is so weak that Ithaca can pitch the JV every weekend? That's just not happening.

To be fair, I think that without an automatic bid, Ithaca has to be good all the time. Its not enough to win the conference, they have to do it convincingly and then win their non-conference games too. They deserve all the respect they get.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 28, 2008, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 12:49:23 PMLet's see Ithaca beats all the Liberty League teams and SUNYAC teams because when they have to play Utica four times in one weekend they can throw their JV pitchers.  Then they have all their top arms to throw against non conference opponents mid week such as Rochester, Cortland, Clarkson, St Lawrence etc.  So while those teams are throwing their number 5 or piecing together a game with 5 different pitchers, Ithaca can save their top arms for the best teams they possibly play because their conference games are completely meaningless.  Being an independent team gives them a tremendous advantage with scheduling and beating the best teams on their schedule. 

First, I think the "scheduling" argument rings pretty hollow given the weather in upstate.  My memory from my time at IC is that the baseball schedule between the spring trip and the NCAA tournament is a loose estimate at best.  One year, IC's number 1 made like 7 or 8 consecutive starts because so many games were cancelled in between.

Either way, this is an interesting theory I had not considered so I looked it up.

In 2007 IC started:

SJF
3/31 (DH) Mays, Sottung
4/1 (DH) Brown, Wolf

Cortland
4/3 Lavoie

Utica
4/21 (DH) Sottung, Wolf
4/22 (DH) Brown, Peters

UR
4/25 Sottung

Based on number of starts, I'd rank IC's pitchers in this order
1. Sottung
2. Wolf
3. Brown
4. Mays
And if memory serves, Peters is pretty talented but was injured last year which is why he only made 2 starts.

Either way, under your logic BaseB13, Cortland beat IC because IC used its top pitchers in the four weekend games preceding the game with C-State and was left with only Matt Lavoie (who made a whopping 3 starts) to pitch the mid-week game.

As for Caz.  I stand corrected.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 02:21:03 PM
Jose well clearly as an Ithaca alumni you're going to be very biased.   I'd argue that's not a large enough sample size.  My argument is very simple.  Over the last 5 to 10 years Ithaca's baseball program has been in a relative state of limbo.  They have neither gotten better or worse.  A very good program none the less.  However, the rest of the teams that you attempt to put down have improved significantly over the last 5, 10, or 20 years.  Ithaca's prime was back in the 80's.. It's been awhile.   I also think one of your examples, last year Ithaca through Sottung (their ace) 7.2 innings on a Wednesday while Rochester through each of their starting pitchers 2 innings each.  Ithaca put up zero runs against Rochester's ace and Rochester put up 3 runs against Ithacas (granted less innings).  I have seen Veenema and Sottung both pitch in person, theyre both very good.  I'd bet if Veenema had thrown that whole game the score could have easily been 6 to 4 Rochester instead of 6 to 4 Ithaca.  That example right there happens consistently throughout the year for Ithaca.  If I was Coach Valsente I would do the exact same thing.  However, you cannot argue that Ithaca does not have an advantage when it comes to lining up their pitching because they are an independent team and if they win 20 to 25 games they're a lock for the tournament because of their name "Ithaca".  I still feel over the last five years or so Ithaca has been playing second fiddle to Cortland.

One question for you as a former or current bomber... I meet more people who claim to have "played baseball" at Ithaca but never really "played" there.  What's with this at IC?  I always find it to be amusing when I discover they really didnt play there.. Just curious side question.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 28, 2008, 03:48:35 PM
St. John Fisher is off to a good start... won today 7-1 over York, PA.  That puts them at 4-1 on the year so far. 

Now you can all discuss the merits of their strength of schedule on the spring tirp.    ;D

This early, I'm surpirsed they can get a game every day... but they are on the field playing... 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 28, 2008, 04:24:42 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 02:21:03 PMI also think one of your examples, last year Ithaca through Sottung (their ace) 7.2 innings on a Wednesday while Rochester through each of their starting pitchers 2 innings each.  Ithaca put up zero runs against Rochester's ace and Rochester put up 3 runs against Ithacas (granted less innings).  I have seen Veenema and Sottung both pitch in person, theyre both very good.  I'd bet if Veenema had thrown that whole game the score could have easily been 6 to 4 Rochester instead of 6 to 4 Ithaca.  That example right there happens consistently throughout the year for Ithaca.

Nah.  This doesn't prove your point either. 

Sottung pitches 6.2 IP on Saturday April 21 at Utica.  They didn't yank him early so he could be ready for UR.

Then he goes and throws 7.2 IP against UR on April 25.

And you can't argue that they burned him up against UR knowing they could just give him a ton of rest after that game because he turns around and throws 9.0 IP May 1 against St. Lawrence.

We agree that the E8 is weak.  We also agree that upstate baseball is improving.  But all the reasons that upstate baseball hasn't caught IC yet simply aren't in the numbers.

Trust me, no one wants upstate baseball to improve more than me.  I have thoroughly enjoyed the improvement in upstate football which is dramatically different than even my time there 1999-2003.  Good games every week really hold your interest.  Heck, improved upstate baseball might even get me to fly back to Ithaca for a game in the spring (which I used to love).  But for now, it is a boring time of the college sports year outside of one or two dates. 

Quote from: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 02:21:03 PMOne question for you as a former or current bomber... I meet more people who claim to have "played baseball" at Ithaca but never really "played" there.  What's with this at IC?  I always find it to be amusing when I discover they really didnt play there.. Just curious side question.

First, let me say that I did not play baseball at IC just in case there was any confusion or some of my previous posts were read to imply that.  Second, I know this phenomenon too and it cracks me up.  I think there are two basic guys that it applies to:

1) Guy that couldn't hack it.  He thought he was good, told his buddies at home he was coming to IC to play baseball, and simply underestimated the quality of the program and its players, so he lies.

2) Guy that was one of the 790824359872435987 JV options preserved "just in case."  Moreso than any other IC sport, JV baseball players think they are this close to Varsity stardom.  I think Val attracts a lot of kids on rep. alone and really stuffs them all into his JV roster just in case.  So you have a lot of ex-JVers that actually did play but saw the writing on the wall.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on February 28, 2008, 04:55:28 PM
I'm glad to see that Fisher is off to a good start.  I think that they'll have an easier time improving their southern schedule as they start to build a reputation.  There's only so many top tier teams and I don't think they're likely to schedule too many percieved cupcakes because there's nothing in it for them.  Make the regionals a few years in a row and you'll get more big boys to play you.  I think they'll get to that point in the next few years. 

I'd be expecting a good year from Fisher.  After all, they have Andy Van Slyke on their team.  Although I did notice on their roster that he goes by "Andrew" Van Slyke.  No doubt to avoid any confusion with the former all-star CF.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 28, 2008, 05:21:08 PM
Is Andrew Andy's kid?  Andy is from Utica.  Doubt he lives there now though.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 08:04:09 PM
Jose, that's pretty funny that you're aware of that occurring also.  I meet so many of them but then I soon discover they didn't really contribute or ever play on the team.  The reasons you listed make sense.  As for the Sottung example, So he threw on 3 days rest (not unheard of, happens all the time at the high school and college level)..But then pitching against StLawrence 6 days later is not that big a deal.  I guess I'd ask this, if Ithaca is so good and so deep why bring your ace back on 3 days rest at all to play lowly Rochester (as you suggest they are).  From the looks of that box score had Ithaca not used their ace it looks like they may not have even won that game.  I mean Rochester threw relievers and the back end of their rotation for the majority of the game.  If Ithaca was in the Liberty League(which would never happen because the conference is designed to have similar academic schools in conference)  they wouldnt be able to line their pitching up this way and they'd have a much tougher time playing four games a weekend against RPI, Rochester, St Lawrence, and Skidmore when it's 1 v 1, 2 v 2, etc.  They'd still be very good and Id pick them to be right at the top of the conference, but it wouldn't be as dominant as you say.  On top of this, Ithaca would fare worse in their non conference games as well because they wouldn't be able toline their pitching up.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on February 28, 2008, 08:05:14 PM
I don't think it's Andy's kid.  Last I knew, Andy Van Slyke was coaching with Detroit.  Not sure if that's still the case.  There are other Van Slykes in and around Utica, but it could be a relation.  Anybody else out there know?  Scuba??
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 28, 2008, 08:42:00 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on February 28, 2008, 08:05:14 PM
I don't think it's Andy's kid.  Last I knew, Andy Van Slyke was coaching with Detroit.  Not sure if that's still the case.  There are other Van Slykes in and around Utica, but it could be a relation.  Anybody else out there know?  Scuba??

From the Detroit Tigers web site:

Andy Van Slyke and his wife Lauri reside in St. Louis, MO during the off-season...the couple has three children A.J. (11/19/83), Scott (7/24/86) and Jared (1/6/89) -- A.J. signed with St. Louis after being the club's selection in the 23rd round of the June 2005 draft, while Scott signed with the Los Angeles Dodgers after being the club's selection in the 14th round of the June 2005 draft.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on February 29, 2008, 08:42:47 AM
Thanks Jim.  Great name from the past.  Van Slyke had a stretch of 3-5 years where he might have been the best CF in baseball, or at least in the conversation.  And I don't think I ever saw him wear batting gloves.  Imagine 500+ AB's in a year plus God knows how much BP over the course of the year with no batting gloves.  Very manly.  I wonder if he used Moises Alou's special concoction to toughen up his hands. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 29, 2008, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on February 29, 2008, 08:42:47 AMI wonder if he used Moises Alou's special concoction to toughen up his hands. 

Or Posada's...


As BaseB13's argument...it seems like IC is just damned if they do and damned if they don't.  First, they only beat non-conference teams because they don't use their front end guys during weekend conference games.  Now, they only beat non-conference teams because they DO use their front end guys during weekend conference games.  I suppose the answer is, I don't have any clue why UR chose to use relievers.  Maybe they should think about throwing their better pitchers against IC so they can:

a) Improve on their 6-47 all-time record against IC (yeah, they have been improving though...right?  right?  well then why have they dropped 8 straight to the Bombers?)

b) Make the playoffs.

As for the Bombers not being able to compete in the LL, I think that is just wishful thinking on your part.  They are 296-71 (.807) all time against those teams.  That is just an accident?  That is all due to some weird theory about relievers and starters that keeps getting disproven in every formulation?

Furthermore, you lost all your credibility when you went to this take:

Quote from: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 08:04:09 PMIf Ithaca was in the Liberty League(which would never happen because the conference is designed to have similar academic schools in conference)

If this was an attempt at humor, no big deal, but it is drenched in the stink of snobbery.  I kid the C-State guys about academics all the time, as IC fans do, but for me and most IC people it is just a joke (scuba, pudge, you guys know that...right?) because who gives a crap?  When are talking about baseball (or football, or basketball) why do I care what your SAT score was?  Furthermore, my IC diploma got me into law school and got me a job as an attorney in Tampa.  Sub-standard education?  Guess not.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on February 29, 2008, 10:15:55 AM
Jose you're totally mis construing my words which would make sense since you are a lawyer.   ;)

a) Rochester threw 5 pitchers because winning that game meant everything to Ithaca and nothing to Rochester.  Whether Rochester wins that game has almost no bearing on if they will be in regionals because Liberty League teams play a 24 game schedule in conference.  The coaches of the LL determined that because the automatic bid was so important, they would essentially forego an at large bid to put more emphasis on the automatic bid. 

b) Making the playoffs for an LL team means winning the conference tournament, which means making the conference tournament, which means starting your best players against conference opponents.

c) You continue to recite records that were mostly made in the 15 and 20 years ago.  You also must keep in mind the scheduling advantage which I discussed.  You seem to get very defensive about the entire situation.  I have praised your schools team, but I've also defended the rest of the regions programs while you seem to think they're second class citizens.  After presenting you with the facts, how things work in region, you want to deny that they exist and continue to post irrelevant statements.  I said if Ithaca was in the Liberty League, theyd be facing each teams 1 - 4 and vice versa.  I also said Ithaca would do very well, but it would not be the cake walk that you speak of because they would not have a scheduling advantage and some of the teams are very competitive.  Please tell me where I said Ithaca would not be able to compete?  I believe I said the EXACT opposite.  I'm glad we know you're a lawyer.. It's all making sense now that you're twisting my words :)

Finally, there was neither an attempt at snobbery nor humor. If you're familiar with how athletic conferences are set up and designed, they're created so that the schools in the conference are similar.  i.e. SUNYAC is all NY State Schools.  The Big Ten is mostly midwest engineering type schools.  The UAA is a bunch of research oriented institutions.  A conference should have similar schools that will be competing for similar student athletes on an academic basis, "peer schools" if you will.  Simply stated, the academic requirements of the Liberty League are stronger than those of Ithaca, St John Fisher, etc.  This is not an insult.  It's a fact.  Just like Ithaca has an overall better baseball program than most other schools in the region.  If you're insulted by it, then the truth hurts.  However, Ithaca's academic requirements are not inline with schools in the Liberty League.  The same way the Liberty League's requirements are a little weaker than the NESCAC's.  Because of this, Ithaca couldn't be in the Liberty League, so I pointed that out.  I have no doubt that any schools in New York can provide its students with a fine education.  I'm a firm believer that where there's a will, there's a way regardless of what name you have on your diploma, you're a perfect example of that.  However, conferences should compromise schools with similar backgrounds/standards, and I'd argue similar size as well. 
     

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on February 29, 2008, 05:26:35 PM
QuoteBaseB13 wrote:   

a) Rochester threw 5 pitchers because winning that game meant everything to Ithaca and nothing to Rochester.

• In order to get an NCAA bid, Ithaca must win the Empire 8 and do well in non-conference games. Every game counts for them. Thanks for making my point. Do you want Ithaca to apologize for playing everyone tough. They even start their best against Utica (see the earlier posts for a refresher). Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument.

• I've got to hand it to you though. That's a creative excuse for losing.  Do you imagine that the LL concedes all its non-conference games or just the ones to Ithaca?

• If you don't like losing to Ithaca the solution is simple. Beat them. Otherwise the excuses are just so many sour grapes.

• I've got no connection to Ithaca, but even I found your placement of Ithaca in the LL followed by your dismissing them for academic inferiority, particularly lame and offensive. See sour grapes above.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 01, 2008, 01:04:01 PM
WrongArm, Ithaca does not need to win the Empire 8 to make it to the NCAA tournament.  What are you talking about?  The conference means nothing. Zero.  If Ithaca wins 20-25 games, they are going to the NCAA tournament.  Plain and simple.  Great program but they have a schedule advantage, along with all independent teams.

I'll tell you that the LL throws their top 4 guys against conference opponents and they throw their #5 midweek unless they do not have conference games during the upcoming weekend.  I'll tell you that the SUNYAC does the same thing. 

This has nothing to do with losing or beating Ithaca.  This has to do with Jose stating that New York Region baseball isn't challenging for Ithaca.  I'd completely disagree (See 2005 when Ithaca had a pretty tough time).  I also pointed out that Ithaca has an advantage, along with everyother independent team, when it comes to lining their pitching up.  Therefore I do not think non conference games between independent teams and an automatic bid team are completely indicative of the best team.  If you want to deny this go ahead, be in denial, but it's a fact, and every coach in the region knows it.  I also said I would do the exact same thing if I was the coach of an independent team.  Ithaca has to beat the best teams possible.  LL and SUNYAC teams have to win their conference.  Clearly their goals throughout the season are goign to be different, thus their strategy will be different.  Because of this i was pointing out to Jose that it's not always clear who the better team is from one midweek game.  Jose stated not many of Ithaca's games were worth watching in region.  I'd also agree with him on this.  I'd also say many of them WOULD be worth watching if each team was throwing a pitcher that was comprable in their respective rotations.  For example, last years Ithaca/Rochester game would have definitely been worth attending if Veenema pitched against Sottung for the majority of the game.  But knowing ahead of time that UR would be throwing each guy in their rotation 2 innings would not, on paper, appear to be worth a trip to see.

When we do get to regionals, it is quite clear, Cortland is the best NY team this decade.  And if they don't win the region, it's been a New England team, RPI, or Brockport.  Ithaca has not won the region.  So my final argument is simple.  Many teams in New York have gotten significantly better over the last 5 or 10 years.  Ithaca has stayed the same.  Ithaca is very good.

As for Academic inferiority.. You know what, I thought I was being politically correct by explaining how conferences work.  That's simple fact.  But forget political correctness.  I totally agree with all of you on this part.  Cortland is the best baseball team in the region.  Ithaca is the second best.  I agree with everyone on the board. You guys continue to misconstrue my words.  But if you really want to try to paint me as being "lame" by hating on their academics, you're twisting my words completely.  But I will be honest with you.  Let's call a spade a spade guys.  When it comes to academics, Ithaca is inferior to every Liberty League school.  If it bothers you guys that three LL schools were named to the "New Ivies" list and theyre all ranked in the top 50 for Liberal Arts Schools or National Universities, oh well.  If that hurts your feelings, get over it, this is the real world.  Truth hurts.  This is a baseball forum and I was merely stating that conferences align themselves with peer schools.  If it's ok to say that the whole region for baseball is garbage compared to Ithaca in baseball (which I disagree with), then it's ok to say which schools are academically stronger. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on March 01, 2008, 04:03:30 PM
BaseB13...

Ok, you win!

But I don't think coach Valesente got the memo. I'd be happy to email him and let him know that he can stop using his best pitchers in the Empire 8 conference games. Just win 25... I'll pass that along.

If you want him to stop picking on Rochester, you'll have to ask him yourself.

P.S.  Thanks for explaining how conferences work.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 01, 2008, 05:15:03 PM
Hahaha you crack me up.  I take it you went back and actually read all my posts and then you realized you were arguing things that I never said.  I'm glad you're now aware of how conferences work.  Now you must also realize that I wasnt putting down Ithaca.  I'd also encourage you to look over the last few years at the match ups we discussed and you'll see that what I've stated is accurate.  I also could care less if Ithaca beats Rochester.  If you look at all my posts in all of the forums you'll see I am not biased to any one team.  Infact, I was the first to point out that in the LL forum that Rochester is a hot 0 - 10 in the LL Conference Tournament and they haven't emulated the success that had in the late 90's when they were in the NCAA tournament.  I simply call it as I see it.  If you don't think Independent teams have a small advantage when scheduling their pitching against automatic bid conference opponents then you're just in denial.  Ask any coach in the region and they'll agree.  It's the way the system works and I said it a million times I would do the exact same thing.  But don't sit there and try to say a team throwing their #1 vs a team throwing a platoon of pitchers is indicative at all of who the best team is.   
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 02, 2008, 09:48:34 AM
I don't know much about the teams that Fisher played down in Florida, but I was glad to see them get off to a 6-1 start. It is a good deal to get down there, and get some games in early. Poblem is they will have to wait several weeks before they get to play again.

When do the other teams start their seasons? I know Stevens has already played.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on March 02, 2008, 11:33:47 AM
sjfcards...

That's a great start for Fisher, no matter who they played. Early season games can be and adventure. Stevens lost their first two games ugly against Salisbury, got a win against John Jay and lost to Keane by a run. They've got a DH with Skidmore this afternoon. Counting today they've scheduled 7 more games before they head south.

RIT web site says they start in Myrtle Beach today against Catholic. I don't think Utica plays anyone before their Florida trip March 16.

I'll watch for the scores and try to forget about the ice and snow!

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 02, 2008, 03:08:48 PM
You can get live stats for Steven's home games at Stevensducks.com  Theyre getting beat by Skidmore right now.  They seem to play a pretty tough schedule.  2 games for Salisbury, one vs kean, 2 skidmore before their spring trip.. Thats 3 NCAA tournament teams in the first few weeks.  Lucky for them they have a nice turf field where they can get a lot of games in this early although Left Handed hitters have a field day at their place because it's barely 300 feet to left..
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on March 02, 2008, 03:54:54 PM
Skidmore 10  Stevens 5 in 9 innings (no double header, I guess)

Not much rest for Stevens. Eastern Connecticut and Johns Hopkins up next.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on March 02, 2008, 04:12:10 PM
oops... another game after all. It must feel like summer in Hoboken.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 02, 2008, 09:23:22 PM
Game 2 Stevens 7 Skidmore 3.. Stevens scored 7 runs on 4 hits.. wow.. lots of walks or something..
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 11:20:10 PM
Ithaca will be tough this year.  And SJfC don't have the outfield punch they had in the past.

For Ithaca Raux, Fergusan and wolfe should be strong and watch up for up and coming freshmen pitcher Josh smith and utility fielder sean moonman.

u heard it here first
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 05, 2008, 10:11:43 AM
Quote from: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 11:20:10 PM
Ithaca will be tough this year.  And SJfC don't have the outfield punch they had in the past.

For Ithaca Raux, Fergusan and wolfe should be strong and watch up for up and coming freshmen pitcher Josh smith and utility fielder sean moonman.

u heard it here first

Thanks for the info VL.  +k.  Always good to add Bombers to the boards.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 05, 2008, 12:04:00 PM
Looking over the Ithaca roster, there's a decent amount of freshmen and newcomers.  No one really jumps off the page at me but notable names include football quarterback Brian Grastorf and Shane Wolf's brother Trevor. There's a couple transfers as well - Jon Krakower from Lynchburg and Derek Wu from Dutchess Community College.

The one name not on the roster is that of Kurt Bednarcyk. So much for that whole transfer from Rochester thing for him. He tied for the team lead in steals with 14 but hit just .211. I don't think that's a big loss for him to either be gone or off the varsity squad. If memory serves me correct, he didn't play much if at all during the regionals.

Pitching after the top three for Ithaca may be an issue with the graduations of Mays, LaVoie and Peters. You still have Sottung, Wolf and Brown up top, but they'll need to find some solid mid-week starters and long relievers. The bullpen should be fine with MacDaniel and Gardner if they can continue their solid work from last season.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 05, 2008, 12:19:31 PM
Good analysis John.  Even if you are turning into somewhat of a traitor with your C-State allegiances...

Although, I did notice one error in your post:
Quote from: John McGraw on March 05, 2008, 12:04:00 PMbut they'll need to find some solid mid-week starters and long relievers

If you read back a few pages BaseB13 swooped in from the academically superior Liberty League to explain to the drooling mob that makes up the rest of NYS that Ithaca only wins midweek games against LL opponents because we use our top starters then while LLers are forced to use homeless people they met in the commons so as to save their actual talent for LL weekend series.  I would think you would know of this practice given your position as the NYS Collegiate Baseball guru.  I will just send BaseB13 an email so he can update you.

As usual, +k.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 01:29:22 PM
You're right Jose, you know significantly more about how baseball in NY works for Division III even though you didn't even play. 

Let's see the for the LL games, although I bet most of their non-conference games line up this way:

Ithaca vs Rochester (6 - 4) featured Ithaca's #1 vs a platoon of pitchers for Rochester
Ithaca vs Clarkson featured (8 - 3) Ithaca's #2 (By starts atleast) vs a #5 maybe?  18 innings all year
Ithaca vs St Lawrence (2 - 0) featued Ithaca's #1 vs St Lawrence's #5 (according to IP/Starts)

For the record, St Lawrence played 4 games Vs Rochester the wknd before and 4 games vs Clarkson the wknd after.

Rochester played 4 games vs Vassar the wknd before and 4 games vs St Lawrence the weekend after.

Clarkson played Skidmore 4 games on the 20th and 21st, RPI on the 24th (Make up), Ithaca on the 26th, and then Union on the 28th and 29th.

Weird what a surprise, Ithaca threws it's 1 twice, and 2 the other game against bottom level pitchers or a platoon of relievers/starters. 

Another surprise, Sottung through against Rochester and didnt start again until facing St Lawrence.  In  between those games they played Clarkson where they threw their number 2. 

Jose, you claim to be a lawyer so I am sure you're a smart guy.  My lawyer always tells me when it comes to cases, stick to the facts.  The facts will carry the case.  These are the facts yet you want to say that they are meaningless.  My point the entire time was that Ithaca is VERY good.  Ithaca also has a scheduling advantage because their conference games do not mean anything.  It is no surprise that Ithaca saved it's best arms for some of the better teams mid week (such as these three LL opponents).  The LL teams CANNOT do this because they have to win the conference games.  For someone who claims that Ithaca is so much better than the rest of the region I found it very amusing that Ithaca could only muster up a 2 run victory vs Rochester who used a platoon of arms, and they also got out hit by St Lawrence and only put up 2 runs against St Lawrence's #5.  They didnt exactly blow out Clarkson, who was horrendous, when they had their 2 vs Clarkon's 5 either. 

But what do I know?  I just stick to the facts.  Ithaca is very good, but they're not that much better than the LL opponents and they do have a scheduling advantage.  The facts speak for themselves above.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 05, 2008, 01:45:31 PM
1. I thought we had already covered this argument about saving their best arms.  To rehash for those of us not paying attention:

Quote from: JoseQViper on February 28, 2008, 01:42:41 PMIn 2007 IC started:

SJF
3/31 (DH) Mays, Sottung
4/1 (DH) Brown, Wolf

Cortland
4/3 Lavoie

Utica
4/21 (DH) Sottung, Wolf
4/22 (DH) Brown, Peters

UR
4/25 Sottung

2. I am not sure why UR not having deep enough pitching to play mid week makes Ithaca a bad team.  Isn't that more evidence towards my point that LL teams aren't good enough to compete with IC?  If they were good enough, they'd have pitching depth to throw mid week.

3.  Since you are so in love with facts, let's review these:
   *       A string of 67 consecutive seasons without a losing record and only one below-.500 record in the program's 70 years;
   *       Appearances in 28 of the 29 NCAA Division III playoffs;
   *       An overall 1,243-476-9 record (a .722 winning percentage);
   *       30 All Americans; and
   *       87 players that went on to play professional baseball.

There was some other fact too but I am having trouble remembering it.

EDIT: Oh yeah, These:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbombers.ithaca.edu%2Fimages%2Fheader_home.jpg&hash=939acb101260db972e12986e3f757f12d610dd37)^

(^For those LLers that have never seen a real trophy case before, those are not LL League Champion trophies or trophies from an Academic Bowl.)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 05, 2008, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: JoseQViper on March 05, 2008, 12:19:31 PM
Good analysis John.  Even if you are turning into somewhat of a traitor with your C-State allegiances...

Cortland, yeah, I s'pose that's the stain on my record :-)

Currently I'm broadcasting Division-I men's ice hockey at Colgate.

Just to throw some clarity on this silly vendetta against Ithaca for using their front-line starters for non-conference games. For these games in question, Ithaca was in between conference weekends at the time and didn't play another series in the Empire 8 until May. You can't sit your best pitchers just because you're not playing conference games.

So, it looks like Ithaca just went with their regular rotation for those games with Sottung, starting on a bit of short rest, taking on Rochester; then Wolf against Clarkson, so on and so forth. And looking at the schedule at that point in late April, Ithaca had many games in a short amount of time in that non-conference period with Rochester, Clarkson, Brockport (DH), Oswego (twice) and St. Lawrence.

Earlier in the season when the schedule is more spread out (because the weather hasn't forced many cancellations), Ithaca throws spot-starters in mid-week games. That's when you saw Matt LaVoie, Ryan Mays, etc etc. Heck, I think between two seasons and two or three Ithaca-Cortland games, I saw Mays and LaVoie in each of those games. And it was the same for Cortland with a mid-week guy and not Coach Brown throwing out Dougher or one of his front-line pitchers.

Why are we having this argument again?

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 05, 2008, 02:58:49 PM
The LL has no one to blame but themselves for playing the number of conference games that they do.  I'm sure it's for a legitimate reason in their "academically superior minds" but you can't have it both ways.  If you're going to play twice as many conference games as any of your non-conference opponents then Johnny Wholestaff is going to be your midweek starter plain and simple.  

BaseB13, maybe Kleenex should sponsor the LL because you come up with more excuses in defense of that conference.  The facts are the facts and I'm not denying that those schools are academically challenging but between the lines is where the game is won and lost regardless of who throws.  When you get into a regional setting, you better be able to roll your #4 and #5 out there with the intent of them keeping you in the ball game.  If you lose a game in a double elimination regional and expect to come out of the losers bracket, more than likely a "platoon of pitchers" will throw at least one game for you and they could quite possibly be matched up against a teams' number one who's coming back on two or three days rest to close it out.  I think that you're wrong when you say that IC saves their best guys for mid-week games.  Their biggest rival in region is Cortland.  Since Sottung has been there, he has basically been IC's number one and other than the regionals has never started a mid-week contest against Cortland.  They have always thrown Lavoie, Mays (#4 and #5) or some freshman.  I have to believe that's a big game for IC and if they're going to throw their best at anyone, I have to imagine that it's Cortland they would do it against mid-week.  

Who IC and many teams outside of the LL (I say the LL because their teams are the exception due to their 24 conference games or whatever) throw midweek can be determined for various reasons.  Sometimes a teams' #1 or #2 might be used midweek because they need to get work in due to a long layoff for whatever reason or the weather for the upcoming weekend looks terrible and they know they're not going to get their games in for example.  You just never know and decisions are made by coaches for reasons other than what you and I can decipher from reading box scores.  I'm not necessarily an IC fan and as you have stated in every post, IC is a very good team, but Jose's facts do say a lot and you seem to be a facts supported by stats type of guy.  The bottom line is that every year teams beat or lose to teams that talent-wise they shouldn't, that's baseball.  It's not IC's fault who Rochester or any other team throws against them, their job is beat whoever's on that mound.  If they want the respect of an IC then go beat them regardless of who throws for you.

I would consider IC a dominant team in the NY region and not because of who they throw mid-week or because they play in a weak conference with no automatic bid.  They make the most of their talent due to good coaching and their reputation helps them with their recruiting efforts in getting talented players.  They're a good team and I agree with Jose that they aren't challenged by many of the teams on their schedule.  Teams in the NY region have closed the gap between them and IC but there's still quite a bit of room to make up though in my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 04:42:57 PM
Without reading any of these long posts, THIS IS ALL I SAID in response to Jose saying Ithaca had no competition IN REGION.  I said they are a great team but the scheduling does help them.  He then debated the LL vs. Ithaca.  All I did was point out that Ithaca had a large advatange in the pitching match ups in those games.  That's it.  I didnt say Ithaca didn't deserve to win and I have never said Ithaca is bad AT ALL.  However, are any of you going to sit there and disagree with me on the fact that Ithaca vs those three teams were competitive match ups especially given the fact that it was a front line guy vs. a #5?  That's all I said.  Bringing up records from the 80's has NOTHING to do with how NY region baseball is today.  I am not blaming anyone, I've said it a million times.  Honestly, if you guys graduated from Ithaca, you're representing your alma mater very poorly  because your reading comprehension skills are pathetic.  Talk about overly defensive. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 04:49:43 PM
Quickly scimmed everyones posts, we obviously don't disagree on much then.  I just think it's off base to bash the rest of the region that's all.  For whatever reason, Ithaca's pitching lined up well against the LL.  I think it has to do with scheduling issues (which is each teams own perogative/fault).  Regardless, the games were very competitive considering the pitching match ups.  I'm sorry but I do feel a 2 to 0 game vs St Lawrence would have been a lot of fun to watch.  Same with a 6 to 4 game against Rochester.  Maybe Jose doesn't think so.. That's all.  Enough of this debate.  Ithaca will obviously have a very good season and if they win the region I will surely be pulling for them in the World Series.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on March 05, 2008, 05:21:05 PM
Why does everyone think IC is so dominant? They haven't been to a World Series since 1994 and most years get to the NCAA tournament on past reputation and hosting each of the past 4 years. A few years back RIT swept IC, had a better record and also beat Cortland and the committee still took IC only on their name. It's about time someone starts looking at other teams in the state and in the Empire 8. Yeah, they have been in the tourney, but obviously can't get it done in the big games. They don't have to put it on the line and play in a league that means something. They don't want to be in a league that has a bid because what they have now is easier. When is the last time Ithaca has won a title that has meant something? 1994!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 05:49:12 PM
Alley, your missing the point.. RPI, Cortland and Brockport have all been to the World Series this decade out of NY but Ithaca hasn't.  Therefore, Ithaca is better than the rest of the region in baseball and NY baseball is not competitive enough for them.  Don't you see the logic from all the Bombers??

Or wait, we have someone else who can look at the facts objectively.  Your absolutely right about them not wanting to be in a league that means something.  If Ithaca wins 25 games they get in to NCAA's because of reputation alone (Refer to all those championships Jose discussed that occurred in the 80s).  Why would they want to risk their free ride in a conference tournament?  Ithaca is good but some people need to take their bomber glasses off look at the situation more objectively. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 05, 2008, 06:25:43 PM
The last time RIT beat Cortland was in 2000, that would be eight years ago not a few years back.  Things have changed a bit since then so that's not a great example but point understood.

BaseB13, I don't disagree with Alley's logic or yours in regard to IC.  There's no doubt that what they did in the 80's and early 90's has a major impact on them getting a bid, they have a reputable name.  IC may not have been to the series in a long time but that doesn't mean that they haven't been a dominant regular season team in the NY region, just depends on how you want to define dominant.  I guess I would say that they have been one of the most consistent teams in terms of success.  Every year they basically do the same thing, (25-12 for example) with a decent regional performance.  Yes, many programs have improved in the NY region and competition is as good as it has ever been but teams that want to establish themselves in the region for post-season consideration can't have 25 wins one year and the next year win 15.  For example, Clarkson has a good year and follows it with what they did last year which was terrible.  Every year you can find a team that feels like they should have gotten a bid because they swept IC or beat Cortland or had a commendable record but let's look at their strength of schedule. 

The best teams in each region slip up and lose to teams they shouldn't lose to every year.  RIT, for example may sweep IC but will then go and be swept by Medaille or Brockport will be swept by Oswego for example after beating Cortland last year.  Teams like IC and Cortland will may get beaten here and there but will never have a bad loss followed by another and that's one of the differences in my opinion.  As I said before, if you want to take IC's place then beat them and take care of business during the regular seaosn portion of your schedule so that you're no leaving your hopes of getting a bid up to committee members who may be biased.     
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 05, 2008, 06:45:46 PM
Alley, if IC plays in a league that means nothing then why do you want the committee to look at other Empire 8 teams for a bid?  Last year SJF got a regional bid so that's two E8 teams that made it.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on March 05, 2008, 07:48:51 PM
I've long ago lost track of who's on which side of this argument, but I can tell you at the end of the day, nobody cares if it's a 1 v 5 matchup or 2 guys throwing underhand.  If Cortland or IC loses to a lesser team, it looks bad regardless of who's throwing and if an up and coming program beats one of those schools, it's a positive.  I'll agree with Marvin's point:


"When you get into a regional setting, you better be able to roll your #4 and #5 out there with the intent of them keeping you in the ball game."

Back when Ithaca was relevant in May (take it easy Viper, this is just a joke.  No need to show us the picture of all your trophies again.), it used to be the good old IC invitational.  Bombers and 3 other teams that didn't stack up.  Book your tickets.  Now the tournaments are deeper, the comp is better and they'll bring in teams from outside the region.  If you cringe at the thought of your #4 or #5 starter taking the bump, don't even bother showing up to regionals.  To win, your whole rotation has to show up and your back of the rotation guys need to beat a good team. 

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on March 05, 2008, 11:41:12 PM
Great point Pudge, look at last yr in the regional final for a great example.
IC in the winners bracket waiting, Cortland, (after getting beat game 2 in extras by Tim Kiely 2-1,  a great arm from Trinity CT who they brought in from Out Of Region) calmly wins its way to the finals.

This sets up Cortland - IC for all the marbles.
Cortland rolls out their #4 or #5 in Ryan Hooper and Jon Rockfeld in game 1 and wins 8-5. IC throws Nick Sottong, on 2 days rest and loses.

Cortland brings back their #2 Georgie Jweid, Jason Hauck and David Limbaugh and wins 9-4. IC threw Jeremy Peters in that game, who had a torn Labrum!

IC never got to their # 4 or #5, rather they brought back Sottung (he threw 69.1 innings last yr) on 2 days and then threw a kid that was hurting pretty bad.
I guess in the end, the game, especially in a double elimination tournament, always comes down to pitching depth!

As far as IC relying on their reputation to get regional bids, look at who has made it to the regional finals a bunch since 1994 and just happened into stacked Cortland teams after stacked Cortland teams. IC is perenially good, very good last year but Cortland has turned into a National Power, Similiar to the IC's of the 80's and early 90's!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 11:48:49 PM
Starvin and Pudge I agree with basically everything you guys said.  I think Alley was saying that the E8 in baseball is basically just a group of 5 schools that play eachother because the rest of the region is in a conference.  But for NCAA purposes they're all "Independent" schools.  Pudge I do agree with you regarding it doesn't matter as to what pitcher you beat what team with.  I was only pointing that out in defense of teams in the region.  In other words Team A beating Team B by 2 runs when team B throws their #5 and Team A throws their #1 demonstrates that the two teams are probably similar talent wise.  Not that the win didn't mean anything.  In other words, the rest of the region is not as bad as some say.  That was the only reason I pointed out the pitching descrepencies.  Finally, independent teams incentive is to beat the BEST teams possible, not their conference opponents.  LL and SUNYAC teams best interest is to beat other teams in their conference.  This just gives these teams different incentives during the season.  Neither is a better or worse way of doing things, it's just what is best for each school in order to get their type of bids.  That's why all along I said if I was Ithaca I would start my best pitcher against Rochester for example on a wednesday if I was playing Utica on a Saturday.  As an independent team I would benefit far more from beating Rochester than Utica.  Likewise, Rochester would be better off starting their #1 against Vassar on a Saturday and start their #5 against SJFC on a Wednesday because Rochester's bid is determined by the conference even though SJFC isi the better program in this scenario.  

As for tournament play, I believe you'll see most teams throwing their #1 and #2 at some point in the first two games.  For the next two games teams usually throw their #3 and #4.. Maybe not in exact order because maybe the 1 Seed saves their top guy for the first winner bracket game figuring they can get by the #6 team with their #2.  However, by the end of regionals you're seeing 4's vs 4's, 5's vs 5's OR 1's and 2's on VERY short rest which may level the playing field between a top of the rotation guy and a well rested back of the rotation guy.  So I definitely agree you have to have a deep rotation to go far in regionals, especially when it's a 6 or 7 team region or you're coming out of the losers bracket.  However, you'll usually see more consistent match ups because teams are on similar schedules at that point.  

The fact that certain schools in NY are competing for Pool A vs. Pool B bids is going to play a role in how each team strategically uses its players/pitchers.

One last thing, now that New York can be a 7 team region, does anyone else think the regional is blatantly set up to favor the 1 seed?  Seems kinda BS that the 1 plays the Winner of 3 vs 4.  So basically the 1 seed has a leg up in pitching over everyone in the tournament.  I feel like it would have made more sense to have expanded the NCAA field to a number that would have even brackets.  Then again maybe that's the edge a #1 seed deserves... Thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 06, 2008, 12:34:24 AM
I think that the #1 seed deserves an advantage based on what they had to do in order to earn it.  The NY region is unique because of the fact that it's viewed as a weak region.  Due to this belief some very good teams from the NE region are shipped in that have a good shot at winning their own regional muchless someone else's.  Trinity this past year and ECONN in 2006 are very good examples.  Teams like this can make a first or second round matchup much tougher than originally anticipated because they receive a low seed.  Trinity and ECONN were 5 and 6 seeds respectively I believe, where talentwise they could have easily been a two or three but a team that's shipped in will never be that high of a seed outside their own region.  With that being said, other than a first round bye, Cortland actually had tougher matchups than the two seed IC.  After the bye, Cortland plays Manhattanville who is a very good team, just swept Kean this past weekend.  IC plays Westfield St. who looked like a high school team, I was embarassed watching them play.  Next, Cortland plays Trinity who is as solid a team as they come and very easily could have been the two seed.  They throw Keily who is arguably the best pitcher in the tournament besides Dougher and they end up beating Cortland in a pitchers' duel.  IC plays SJF who probably didn't belong in the tournament, a decent team nonetheless but nowhere near the opponent Trinity was.  IC beats Trinity who is clearly a different team without their #1 or #2 on the mound and advances to the regional final.  The only #1 IC faced is Westfield St's and Cortland faced Manhattanville's best and Trinity's best.  Cortland would have been better off being the #2 seed.  Anyway, Cortland goes on to beat SJF, Trinity and IC twice in a two day period.  Again, the NY region is unique because of the fact that very good teams are shipped into the regional and being low seeds.  They end up being tougher matchups than some of the higher seeds in the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on March 06, 2008, 09:16:50 AM
Starvin, great point with the C-State-Trinity matchup last year. As soon as kiely didn't throw the 1st game, I knew Cortland was in for a good game in the 2nd round. Look what we got, a 13 inning pitchers duel between 2 of the best in the country!
I think you need to make the NY regional a 6 or 8 teamer with all of the teams being from the NY region. E-Conn is a national power and should have never been sent here 2 yrs ago or Trinity last yr. Westfield State would not even make the Sunyac or LL playoffs, so why did they deserve a bid, let alone a bid from this region.
Last years NY regional field should have included Brockport, who was as good as or better than 5 out of the 7 teams that participated.

What were some of the other teams that everyone thinks could have made the NY region a good 8 team region wit all NY teams. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 06, 2008, 10:39:51 AM
Of course certain years the one seed can have a tougher road.  I guess I'd just assume that if you're going to expand the field, you expand it to an even number of teams where each region has the same amount. NY isn't the only 7 region team.  I guess the system just doesn't seem logical to me.  As for which teams get in and don't get in.  You have to keep in mind, Brockport as a SUNYAC team competes for a Pool A big, which is an automatic bid.  Obviously you need to win your conference to receive a Pool A Bid.  Ithaca and SJFC and the rest of the E8 are Independents teams.  They compete for Pool B bids amongst other independent teams in the country.  However, I believe they may also be eligible for Pool C bids (correct me if I'm wrong?)  which are "At-Large Bids".  Brockport would have needed an at large bid in order to get in to the tournament.  There are FAR less of these to go around in the country.  Before the tournament field expanded I think there were only like 3 or 4 of these.  This is out Cortland got in to the NCAA's the year Brockport went to the World Series.  Based on how the bids work, SJFC clearly did deserve a bid last year.  Brockport did not because I am sure there were 30+ game winners out there that didn't win their conference tournament but had better credentials (usually to get one of these you need to be a team like Cortland who gets upset in the conference tournament).  Although with the expanded field maybe Brockport should have gotten one?  I don't know but I'm sure we could find out now who got which type of bid.  As for Westfield State being horrible they obviously must have won their conference tournament so therefore they deserved to be there.  We did have two New England teams in the region last year which I do think makes sense.  New England as a region has the most higher educational institutions in the country so they're going to have the most baseball programs.  With New York being a region for one state and being the closest to New England, it makes sense that they get a team or two into our region (these automatic bids have to play somewhere and there's obviously not enough room for all of them in New England).  I think a big reason why you'll see E. Ct. and Trinity get shipped to New York is because of distance.  I believe there is a rule as to how far you can send a team for regionals.  Infact, back in 1999,  Rochester got shipped OUT of NY and had to go play Marietta and Allegheney in the Ohio regional.  So without fully understanding which teams qualify for which bids, it's difficult to say who deserved to be in regionals.  I did think SJFC deserved to be there last year considering the field for Independents had been expanded.  If your a brockport fan I think it's disappointing that the SUNYAC is eliminating the conference tournament.  The conference tournament makes the last few weeks of regular season conference play incredibly exciting.  It'll be kinda boring to follow the SUNYAC if Cortland locks up the one spot 3/4 of the way through the season. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 06, 2008, 11:15:50 AM
When I said that the NY region is unique I meant it in the sense that I believe it was the only region to have outside teams shipped in which is pretty much a year in and year out thing.  I'm almost positive that 1999 is the last year in which the NY regional consisted of four teams.  Since then it's always been a seven team regional with two NE teams shipped in with the exception being Gwynedd-Mercy from the Mid-Atlantic in 2000.  I 'm well aware of the fact that NY wasn't the only seven team regional and that Westfield St. deserved a regional bid because they did win their conference tournament.  I just hate to see a team like Westfield St. take the place of a Brockport, Oneonta or RIT who are far better teams and would undoubtedly make the regional tournament stronger.  However, the rules are the rules but I don't think that Westfield's conference, the MASCAC, should get an automatic bid.  The MASCAC is a weak conference in my opinion and the second or third place SUNYAC team is far superior to any team in the MASCAC.

In regard to Pool C bids, I believe that everyone is eligible for a Pool C.  This is where your nationally recognized programs like IC or Marietta may stumble in their quest for post-season play but receive one in large part to their name.  I have no facts to back up my statement but it's the final opportunity to get a bid and if it comes down to two very similar teams, the selection committee is more likely than not to pick the team with a recognized name and essentially why the Brockports and RIT's of the world are unable to get into the regional.  BaseB13, you are correct in saying that there are very few Pool C's so it's much easier to pick and defend a nationally recognized program than a trendy pick.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 06, 2008, 11:50:16 AM
Starvin, the NCAA tournament just started 7 team fields 2 years ago.  Prior to that it consisted of either 4 or 6 team regions.  2005 I believe had 42 NCAA Regional participants.  In 2006 I believe it was changed to 53 (This is what allowed new teams like SJFC to get in 2007 or RPI getting an at large in 2006).  There have been years in this decade where there NY was a 4 team regional.  I forget when.  I love the new D3Baseball site but the old odac D3 website made it very easy to  look up past tournaments.  Does anyone know how to access this still? 

While I do agree that there are teams out there that are better than NCAA participants because of which conference they come out of, I think it'd be very difficult/unfair to say that certain conferences are not good enough to have a bid.  For example, I am a big Syracuse basketball fan.  I dont know anyone that would argue that Syracuse is a better basketball team than Cornell.  However, it's quite possible this year that Cornell having won the Ivy League will be in the NCAA Tournament and Syracuse will not.  Obviously teams in the Big East are going to get preference for at large bids over mid majors because they play in a tougher conference.  I believe the same thing would apply to Division III baseball.  A runner up in the Mass State Conference probably doesn't have much of a shot at an at large whereas a runner up in the SUNYAC does.  Although Brockport didn't get in last year, I think in certain years, with similar credentials, they could very well get an at large.  Again some of this could have to do with reputation etc.  Brockport's national reputation may not have been quite as strong as other at large teams because Brockport has only been on the national stage once.  So if Marietta and Brockport are both vying for an at large bid, we all know which way thats going.  It's not perfect but I do think that's what makes March Madness so exciting for D1 basketball and it can be exciting to see a cinderella team make it to Wisconsin once in awhile (Brockport for example).   
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 09, 2008, 01:41:04 PM
Ithaca's spring trip to California starts this afternoon. Here's the schedule, it looks a little tougher than usual with the addition of Eastern Connecticut State towards the end of the trip.

March 9 - @ California Lutheran
March 10 - @ Pomona-Pitzer
March 11 - @ Occidental
March 12 - @ #1 Chapman
March 13 - @ LaVerne
March 14 - @ #18 Redlands
March 15 - v. #7 Eastern Connecticut State 10 a.m. (@ Pomona)
                 @ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 3 p.m.
March 16 - @ Whittier

Ithaca won't play a home game at Freeman Field until April 5. The snow should be melted by then and the second half of the schedule is loaded down with home games.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 10, 2008, 07:41:10 AM
8-1 win out of the gates for the Bombers.

Box Score here:

http://bombers.ithaca.edu/Sports/baseball/2008/base%20clubox%20030908.asp

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 10, 2008, 01:25:51 PM
Greetings from So. Cal, folks.

I was just stopping by to see if you guys were updated with this weeks big So. Cal Classic tourney that will take place across all S.C.I.A.C school's. However, Mr. J. Mac beat me to it. Here's to hoping that Ithaca survive's against good ball club such as La Verne, Redlands, #1 Chapman and of course my Oxy tigers. Btw, i'm predicting that your Ithaca ball club roughs up the Pomona sagehens. i know, i know, i should be rooting for this club since they are from the SCIAC. However, i honestly believe they wont be able to handle your club. If they do, then i was wrong. If any of you folks are traveling out here, you are in for a nice week. There is no snow, (except for small traces on several moutains.. oh wait, its man made..) and the sky is clear at around 70-80 deg. Great weather for some baseball. 

Quote from: John McGraw on March 09, 2008, 01:41:04 PM
Ithaca's spring trip to California starts this afternoon. Here's the schedule, it looks a little tougher than usual with the addition of Eastern Connecticut State towards the end of the trip.

March 9 - @ California Lutheran
March 10 - @ Pomona-Pitzer
March 11 - @ Occidental
March 12 - @ #1 Chapman
March 13 - @ LaVerne
March 14 - @ #18 Redlands
March 15 - v. #7 Eastern Connecticut State 10 a.m. (@ Pomona)
                 @ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 3 p.m.
March 16 - @ Whittier

Ithaca won't play a home game at Freeman Field until April 5. The snow should be melted by then and the second half of the schedule is loaded down with home games.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on March 10, 2008, 07:06:37 PM
"I kid the C-State guys about academics all the time, as IC fans do, but for me and most IC people it is just a joke (scuba, pudge, you guys know that...right?) because who gives a crap?  When are talking about baseball (or football, or basketball) why do I care what your SAT score was?

Viper, I'm not ignoring your comment.  Just a bit busy.  It's actually part of Cortland's first year orientation to build up a tolerance to Jacka$$ Bombers and their inherent feelings of superiority.  Consider this one a gift.  How many Cortland guys does it take to screw in a light bulb?  A: Just one, but I got 3 credits for it.  Back to Baseball; Looks like IC has a pretty difficult trip planned. Referencing an earlier post that I had, you can tell a lot about a program by who they play on their trip. 

It's not that I hate the Bombers.  Nae Nae.  I hope they win a lot this year.  It's always a lot more fun when the Dragons run through them later in the year.  The Red Sox aren't the Red Sox without the Yankees and vice versa.  Same thing with Cortland and IC.  Regardless of league affiliations and whatnot, it's always an important game.  There's always a lot of pride on the line regardless of how IC is trying to line up their pitching for the upcoming game with Cazenovia. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: MMTPdthree on March 10, 2008, 08:21:34 PM
How is Utica going to be this year?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 10, 2008, 08:27:04 PM
Ithaca isn't the only one to schedule Cazenovia.

From what I recall in my days of broadcasting Cortland games, the Red Dragons usually had Cazenovia on the schedule somewhere late in the season - late April or early May. I'm too busy to check (and the new Cortland site doesn't have archives), but I seem to remember them playing one year and having it canceled the next or something like that. And looking at Cortland's current schedule, Caz is on there for April 29 at Wallace Field.

Not trying to stir the pot, just making sure all the facts are on the table. After all, I'm a broadcast journalist (said in best Bobby "The Brain" Heenan voice).
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 10, 2008, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on March 10, 2008, 07:06:37 PMHow many Cortland guys does it take to screw in a light bulb?  A: Just one, but I got 3 credits for it.

Classic. +k.

Quote from: pudge27 on March 10, 2008, 07:06:37 PMThere's always a lot of pride on the line regardless of how IC is trying to line up their pitching for the upcoming game with Cazenovia. 

John, I am pretty sure this line was making fun of BB13's claim that IC only wins because it sets up its pitching for big non-conference games like LL or Caz.  Not sure though.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on March 10, 2008, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 10, 2008, 08:27:04 PM
Ithaca isn't the only one to schedule Cazenovia.

From what I recall in my days of broadcasting Cortland games, the Red Dragons usually had Cazenovia on the schedule somewhere late in the season - late April or early May. I'm too busy to check (and the new Cortland site doesn't have archives), but I seem to remember them playing one year and having it canceled the next or something like that. And looking at Cortland's current schedule, Caz is on there for April 29 at Wallace Field.

Not trying to stir the pot, just making sure all the facts are on the table. After all, I'm a broadcast journalist (said in best Bobby "The Brain" Heenan voice).

I stand corrected.  This damn internet thing makes research much too easy.  I've also learned that some of the better posters here don't miss a beat on the details.  Thanks John.  That comment was a slight dig at a previous post where Jose used IC's all time record v. Caz to prove a point.  But I guess if it's true on one side, it's got to be true on the other.  I also appreciate the Bobby the Brain Heenan reference, although I was always partial to the Grand Wizard of Professional Wrestling.  The IC/Cortland pot doesn't usually need much stirring, so don't worry about that.  
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on March 10, 2008, 10:04:21 PM
Glad you liked that one Viper.  I figure if I owned it, it could not be used against us.  You're right, that was a reference to that previous conversation between you and BB13. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 10, 2008, 10:42:03 PM
John, I am pretty sure this line was making fun of BB13's claim that IC only wins because it sets up its pitching for big non-conference games like LL or Caz.  Not sure though.
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Jose you must either be a remarkable attorney and love to change people's words or you are a horrible attorney and can't pay attention to major details.  Look back at all my posts and tell me where I ever said IC only wins because it sets up its pitching for non-conference games.

OR you could look back and actually see where I said Ithaca is able to set up its pitching to beat the best competition on its schedule because its non-conference games don't mean anything.  You're right though.  I don't know what I'm talking about but I bet if you asked any coach in New York they'd agree with you that Independent teams best interest is to beat the best teams on their schedule while automatic bid teams best interest is to beat conference opponents.  Therefore each team's goals will reflect how it lines its pitching up.

If you're going to debate a topic, stick to the facts rather than be a straight up IC homer. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on March 11, 2008, 12:02:49 AM
Tell me what I am misreading.  I think there are more but it is late and I am still at work (you know, because I got an inferior education so I am required to work late to do the work of a LL attorney).

Quote from: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 04:42:57 PMAll I did was point out that Ithaca had a large advatange in the pitching match ups in those games.

Quote from: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 01:29:22 PMIthaca also has a scheduling advantage because their conference games do not mean anything.  It is no surprise that Ithaca saved it's best arms for some of the better teams mid week (such as these three LL opponents).  The LL teams CANNOT do this because they have to win the conference games.

Quote from: BaseB13 on March 01, 2008, 01:04:01 PMI also pointed out that Ithaca has an advantage, along with everyother independent team, when it comes to lining their pitching up.  Therefore I do not think non conference games between independent teams and an automatic bid team are completely indicative of the best team.

Because of this i was pointing out to Jose that it's not always clear who the better team is from one midweek game.

For example, last years Ithaca/Rochester game would have definitely been worth attending if Veenema pitched against Sottung for the majority of the game.  But knowing ahead of time that UR would be throwing each guy in their rotation 2 innings would not, on paper, appear to be worth a trip to see.

Quote from: BaseB13 on February 29, 2008, 10:15:55 AMa) Rochester threw 5 pitchers because winning that game meant everything to Ithaca and nothing to Rochester.  Whether Rochester wins that game has almost no bearing on if they will be in regionals because Liberty League teams play a 24 game schedule in conference.  The coaches of the LL determined that because the automatic bid was so important, they would essentially forego an at large bid to put more emphasis on the automatic bid.

Quote from: BaseB13 on February 28, 2008, 08:04:09 PMIf Ithaca was in the Liberty League(which would never happen because the conference is designed to have similar academic schools in conference)  they wouldnt be able to line their pitching up this way and they'd have a much tougher time playing four games a weekend against RPI, Rochester, St Lawrence, and Skidmore when it's 1 v 1, 2 v 2, etc.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on March 11, 2008, 09:58:22 AM
Ok  Jose you just quoted me 5 times.  Now let me quote you.  You said "BB13's claim that IC only wins because it sets up its pitching for big non-conference games like LL..."


Where did I say this in the quotes  you pasted?  Very good.  I didn't.  I did say they have an advantage in that regard but  you refuse to admit that IC's goal during the season is to beat the best teams it plays which sometimes are non-conference mid week games whereas LL teams goal is to beat conference opponents. 

You just keep reinforcing the stereotype that Ithaca graduates are a bunch of meatheads known only for their athletic ability.  Although you may find that insulting, that is unfortantely for you, the stereotype of your alma mater.  You're not doing anything to help your school's cause either.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on March 11, 2008, 12:41:43 PM
Pudge and viper need to get a cyber-room....

Name the wrestler
"Its a protective brace mcmahon, ask him ref, ask him, no no no no no no no"
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 11, 2008, 02:30:29 PM
Just to keep you guys updated on Ithaca's results against the Hen's yesterday
The Hen's won by a score of 9-1. Maybe the whole weather change and time change kept the Ithaca players from focusing on the game. It's Definately not snowing out here.

Here's a recap:   http://www.physical-education.pomona.edu/mens/baseball/stats/2008/ic-pp.htm   (http://www.physical-education.pomona.edu/mens/baseball/stats/2008/ic-pp.htm)
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Post by: JQV on March 11, 2008, 02:49:37 PM
Thanks for the info BE, I was looking around for that box this morning and couldn't find it.  Not sure the trip or weather made a difference.  Always get some good games on the California trip.  It'd be nearly impossible to sweep through California all things being equal.  The fact that you guys are 12 games ahead of us makes it even more challenging. 
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Post by: pudge27 on March 11, 2008, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: scuba16 on March 11, 2008, 12:41:43 PM
Pudge and viper need to get a cyber-room....

Name the wrestler
"Its a protective brace mcmahon, ask him ref, ask him, no no no no no no no"

Iron Mike Sharpe and bite me.
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Post by: John McGraw on March 11, 2008, 10:51:28 PM
Occidental 14 Ithaca 10

Andy Collins threw for two touchdowns for Oxy. Jamie Donovan scored for Ithaca in the first half and then the Bombers were held to a field goal in the third.

All kidding aside, Ithaca loses a slugfest. Bombers scored six runs in the second inning and led most of the way but the bullpen it appears couldn't hold the lead. Oxy scored the final six runs of the game.

Nick Sottung started and was roughed up pretty good for five runs in his first two innings. It's his first start of the season against a team that's been playing for a few weeks so that doesn't really mean a whole lot - though I'm not completely discounting it.

Ithaca's line-up after some changes against '07 SCIAC champ Pomona was back to the normal form it'll have for most of the season IMO. Trevor Wolf was the DH and drove in his first run as a Bomber. His brother and Josh Smith also had good games at the plate.

The California trip continues on Wednesday against Chapman. Kurt Yacko and Nick Sottung were teammates last summer with the Green Bay Bullfrogs of the Northwoods League - random fact of the day.
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Post by: Browneagle64 on March 11, 2008, 11:05:21 PM
Ouch. My tigers took advantage of your bombers mistakes towards the end. Best of luck against a good chapman team. If Pomona was tough, the SCIAC Co-champions ( i call chapman that because they always beat every SCIAC team every year, including the eventual SCIAC champs)

Ahh, here's another random fact of the day, Oxy head baseball coach Elliot Strankman was the head coach of the  Green Bay Bullfrogs of the Northwoods League.
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Post by: Browneagle64 on March 12, 2008, 05:02:03 PM
Hey Folks,

Your Bombers will be playing the Leo's of La Verne tomorrow afternoon with their game slated at 2:30pm. (Sorry for the previous confusion)  I'm heading out there for grad. school classes and will update you guys on the outcome of the game ( since most of the SCIAC school's and probabiliy their SID's are out for spring break and could careless about updating us on the game. hahah, just kidding). Best of luck. The leo's are just as good as "the hens".
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Post by: John McGraw on March 13, 2008, 10:40:51 AM
Chapman 4 Ithaca 3

Thursday against LaVerne
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Post by: JQV on March 13, 2008, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 13, 2008, 10:40:51 AM
Chapman 4 Ithaca 3

Thursday against LaVerne

Bombers scored one in the 9th and had the tying run on 2nd with one out before ending on a line drive to the 2B and a ground ball back to the mound.  I'd like to know just how hard that line drive was hit.  Did we nearly tie it?

All in all, a good showing by the looks of the box score.
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Post by: Browneagle64 on March 13, 2008, 12:02:28 PM
That sure is a good showing by the Bombers. Considering that the Panthers are the #1 team in the west (and the Nation), i'm surprise that your team played well with a team that has beat the best so far.

Yup, today the Bombers play the Leo's on Ben Hines field. For any of you folks that are out here for the spring break tourney, be sure to excuse the mess around the Field, as the Leo's are trying to complete a new athletics building. Weather should be great for today, however, expect rain and clouds over the so.cal sky tomorrow.  :-[ 
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Post by: Browneagle64 on March 13, 2008, 10:37:33 PM
The Bombers dropped another game today against the Leo's of La Verne by a score of 9-5.
  http://www.ulv.edu/athletics/data/stats-pdf/base031308.HTM            (http://www.ulv.edu/athletics/data/stats-pdf/base031308.HTM)

Here's to hoping that your team rebounds and gets several wins sometime soon.
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Post by: John McGraw on March 14, 2008, 10:46:52 PM
Redlands 13 Ithaca 2 (1-5)

It hasn't been a good week for the Bombers now with five-straight losses. The only win was on the first day of the trip against Cal Lutheran. Ithaca has ECSU tomorrow morning and then Claremont-Mudd-Scripps in the afternoon.
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Post by: shoeless on March 15, 2008, 09:26:36 AM
Best defense or best offense.

Should teams play the best defense or best offense.   What are your thoughts?
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Post by: shoeless on March 15, 2008, 09:27:11 AM
How is Ithaca's doing in cali? 
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Post by: John McGraw on March 16, 2008, 12:13:13 AM
Saturday....

Ithaca 9 ECSU 4...Doesn't equal revenge for ECSU bouncing IC in the 2006 regionals, but it's IC's second win of the season and breaks up a nasty five-game losing streak.

No report on Ithaca's game against Claremont-Mudd-Scripps on either the IC site or the CMS site.

Ithaca closes out its California trip tomorrow against Whittier. The Bombers return to the east coast next weekend to play York, Gettysburg and Washington (Md.).
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Post by: John McGraw on March 17, 2008, 12:51:57 PM
From Saturday
Ithaca 14 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 3 (as per CMS site)

Sunday
Whittier 8 Ithaca 7


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Post by: John McGraw on March 21, 2008, 11:31:37 AM
Ithaca's scheduled game for Thursday against York (Pa.) was washed away.

They'll attempt to play today at Gettysburg and then tomorrow at Washington (Md.). If this were a normal weekend, I'd say they'd add a game on Sunday to make up for the rain out, but it's Easter so they'll probably just play two.

Local forecast in Gettysburg is sunny and mid-40s, that's good enough baseball weather for me.
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Post by: John McGraw on March 22, 2008, 01:22:19 AM
Ithaca 12 Gettysburg 3

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Post by: John McGraw on March 24, 2008, 01:31:25 AM
Ithaca 13 Washington (Md.) 3...fumble on option play deep in own territory led to Washington field goal

On the weekend
Ithaca 25 Opponents 6
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Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2008, 03:00:26 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 24, 2008, 01:31:25 AM
Ithaca 13 Washington (Md.) 3...fumble on option play deep in own territory led to Washington field goal

On the weekend
Ithaca 25 Opponents 6
Seems like Ithaca is having trouble converting extra points...  ;)
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Post by: JQV on March 24, 2008, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2008, 03:00:26 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 24, 2008, 01:31:25 AM
Ithaca 13 Washington (Md.) 3...fumble on option play deep in own territory led to Washington field goal

On the weekend
Ithaca 25 Opponents 6
Seems like Ithaca is having trouble converting extra points...  ;)

+k all around.  especially for the unintended humor that is IC Football's kicking game...
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Post by: John McGraw on March 27, 2008, 03:43:28 PM
From Wednesday...

Ithaca 6 New Paltz 3

-Bombers improve to 6-6 and open conference play this weekend at Stevens.
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Post by: JQV on March 28, 2008, 10:14:22 AM
Thanks for the update John.

Also, someone recently pointed out to me that you are working for the NYSCBL.  Is that true?
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Post by: John McGraw on March 28, 2008, 03:13:00 PM
The New York Collegiate Baseball League, yup.

http://nycbl.blogspot.com

This will be my third season as the league's media relations director and my fourth in the league overall.

It's hard to write about baseball though when there's four inches of snow on the ground. Good thing Ithaca is playing in New Jersey this weekend.
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Post by: JQV on March 28, 2008, 04:14:31 PM
+k for that.  How do those teams draw?  I think those summer leagues are great.  Didn't Ithaca have a team for a while?  What happened there?
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Post by: John McGraw on March 28, 2008, 04:53:10 PM
It really depends on the market. Some teams do really well, others, well not so much. The three biggest draws last year were all in some of the bigger markets - Watertown, Amsterdam and Elmira. Of course it doesn't hurt that those three also have decent sized stadiums. Watertown can hold around 3,000 (had 3,000+ last year for fireworks and it was insane), Elmira can fit around 2,000-3,000 in Dunn Field and Amsterdam's Shuttleworth Park holds around 2,000.

Though, some of the smaller markets in both the east and west are tougher draws. I won't name anyone but there's markets where they just have a hard time putting butts in seats. The addition of Niagara last year and Elmira the year before certainly helps put a couple larger cities in the league though.

Ithaca had a team once, the Ithaca Lakers. They were around from 1992 through 1999. Joe Brown coached the team every year and they won three league titles and never missed the playoffs. From what I can tell, the team played at Freeman Field and possibly at points had a split schedule with games at Hoy Field too but Internet archives aren't that extensive. There was another Ithaca team in the league in 2003, the Ithaca Classics, but they were gone after one year. Brad Lidge and Scott Sauerbeck both pitched for the Lakers too.

Personally, I'd love to see another team in Ithaca, whether it be at Ithaca or over at Cornell. Hoy Field was recently renovated with what appears to be field turf and looks wonderful and Freeman Field is Freeman Field. The only problems really I think would be attendance and lights. Not that anything in Ithaca during the summer would pull fans away, but neither park can hold a decent amount of fans and neither has lights. If you could guarantee 600-700/game at either field, I think that would be a start, but the lights factor is kind of a big deal now that 12 of 14 teams play under the lights.

Cortland had a team in the league as well, the Cortland Apples. They were around until the early part of this decade playing at Wallace Field and Beaudry Park.
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Post by: scuba16 on March 28, 2008, 11:57:44 PM
When I played the league was the NCBL(I played on the Rome Indians 2yrs and coached the Utica Chiefs) and we played at both Freeman (IC) and on Cornell's campus. When I coached, we played at IC exclusively. Never could figure out how they broke it up.
Joe Browns Lakers teams were good and he had a great plan of attack, he brought in more quality pitchers than anyone else. Alot of Mid-Major guys who wanted to compete and win. His guys wanted to play at the end of the summer when everyone else wanted to hit the beach for 3 weeks before going back to school!
Beaudry park in Cortland was a all dirt no grass (skin)infield and brutal. Dave Perno, the HC at University of Georgia presently coached the Cortland Apples for a bunch of years.

The best place to play in those days was Veterans Park in Little Falls and in Hornell.
They always had a good crowd and the fans were brutal, made for a great atmosphere!
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Post by: John McGraw on March 29, 2008, 11:45:15 AM
Utica Chiefs, don't remember coming across them in my research. Obviously the Indians were around for a while but I don't remember the Chiefs. Was there a team in Syracuse then too or did they move to Utica?
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Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 29, 2008, 02:05:44 PM
There was never an NYCBL franchise in Syracuse.  The Utica Chiefs played at Murnane Field in Utica where the Blue Sox (Florida Marlins) played in the NY-Penn League and the Rome Indians played at Rome Free Academy and then moved to Griffis Air Force Base in 1998.  There was only a year or two where both franchises existed simultaneously I believe.
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Post by: jdex on March 29, 2008, 10:30:50 PM

    As John M. will counter .......yes, Syracuse did have a brief spin in the NCBL .........

    Dave Perno actually played 2b in Cortland for a couple of years as a Georgia undergrad before taking the Apples reins, then eventually getting the head coaching post  at Georgia. Got to know him quite well ...... truly a southern gentleman
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Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 30, 2008, 07:48:52 AM
What team was it then?
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Post by: scuba16 on March 30, 2008, 10:25:48 AM
Utica Chiefs existed for 2 summers, 1997-1998. A guy wanted a team for his kid to play on(he had $) and the chiefs were formed. Myself and Carmen Carcone(former Cornell Assistant, Cortland Assistant, Dowling HC, U of Maryland assistant and now Marlins Scout) coached the team! The chiefs lasted until the guys kid got done playing college baseball.
Both teams, Rome Indians and UticaChiefs co-existed for those 2 years.
Perno was a great guy, played for his buddy Don Norris while he coached the Indians. Used to hang out with Perno in Cortland, year after I got done playing and I stayed taking summer classes. Class act.
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Post by: pudge27 on March 30, 2008, 11:44:45 AM
Quote from: scuba16 on March 30, 2008, 10:25:48 AM
Utica Chiefs existed for 2 summers, 1997-1998. A guy wanted a team for his kid to play on(he had $) and the chiefs were formed. Myself and Carmen Carcone(former Cornell Assistant, Cortland Assistant, Dowling HC, U of Maryland assistant and now Marlins Scout) coached the team! The chiefs lasted until the guys kid got done playing college baseball.



Let's say hypothetically I was from Utica, would it take me more than 1 guess to figure out who sponsored that team?  Didn't think so....
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Post by: jdex on March 30, 2008, 01:35:57 PM

Starvin, for some reason we think it was the Braves. John Mac could verify. Believe Joe Antonio -- then of Onondaga CC, had a hand (coach?). At onetime (80s, 90s) was quite close to league. Now a resident of Florida for 8-9 months and memories fade ....

Probably best "name" in Cortland organization was ss/p Clay Bellinger of Oneonta. Worked his way up and played with Yankees ...
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Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 30, 2008, 07:14:33 PM
jdex, thank you for pointing that out as I was almost sure that there had never been a franchise out of Syracuse.  I'm curious to know where they played their home games?
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Post by: John McGraw on April 02, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
Sorry about the delay in answering, I went away for a bit of a vacation to enjoy my first weekend without hockey since Christmas.

Anyways. Starting with Syracuse, I would imagine the team played at Griffin Stadium in Liverpool, MacArthur Stadium or at an area high school field. I'm really not sure. The league's first champions are listed as the Syracuse Chiefs (late '70s) and then USC-Upstate head coach Matt Fincher's bio mentions him as coaching the Syracuse Braves in 1990. A friend of mine confirmed this with a program from the era showing the NCBL as East: Little Falls, Syracuse, Utica-Rome, Schenectady; West: Cortland, Broome, Horseheads, Cohocton. As for how long the Syracuse team was around, who knows, same with the Chiefs in the late '70s.

As for the Chiefs in Utica, like I said, I'd never heard of them. Reading Carmen Carcone's old bio on the Orleans Cardinals page, it says he led the Utica Chiefs to a league-best 29-13 record in 1997. I'm gathering then in '97-'98, there were nine or ten NCBL teams - Geneva, Hornell, Schenectady, Ithaca, Cortland, Cohocton, Little Falls and Rome (Newark joined for '98). Though, looking at Newark's 98 schedule, I don't see Utica listed.

Any help is appreciated.
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Post by: John McGraw on April 03, 2008, 07:47:51 PM
Ithaca-Cortland canceled yesterday because Cortland had to make up a conference doubleheader at home against Brockport.

Today...
Ithaca 11 Oswego 1

Nick Sottung earns his 28th career victory, tying cousin Kyle for the school record in career victories. In an interesting note, it's Sottung's third appearance and second start in just over a week. He went seven innings today and allowed one run on 10 hits.

Sottung pitched five innings of relief last Wednesday against New Paltz. He started the conference opener against Stevens on Saturday and threw six innings. And then today's start came on four days rest.

Throughout his career, Nick has shown that he can pitch on short rest. Last year at the regionals, he pitched Ithaca's first game against Westfield State and threw seven innings. He came back in the title round on two days rest and pitched seven strong innings against Cortland and IMHO would have won if Ithaca's defense hadn't fallen apart.

While Sottung is a bulldog, I can't say I like the idea of having him make three appearances in one week (two of which in non-conference games) as a starter. So far, Ithaca has used just nine pitchers and six of the nine have started. The lack of pitchers won't be a factor during the regular season but it could come back to haunt IC in the playoffs should they make it. That's been the team's MO since I can remember, two or three strong starters through the season and then they're ridden as long as they can go in the playoffs.

Ithaca fans, any thoughts?
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Post by: pudge27 on April 03, 2008, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 03, 2008, 07:47:51 PM
Ithaca-Cortland canceled yesterday because Cortland had to make up a conference doubleheader at home against Brockport.


Ithaca fans, any thoughts?


Good point John.  I don't have any additional thoughts aside from what you said, but I would officially like to start the clock on how long in with take JQViper to whip out that picture of IC's trophy case from 1980.  And.........It is 8:08 pm. 
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Post by: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 09:34:14 PM
Ithaca beat Oswego today.  Why has oswego got so few games in?  do they not travel south?
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Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 05, 2008, 07:32:44 PM
Why would that happen... they have pitching depth.  Seems like you are playing roulette with his arn.
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Post by: John McGraw on April 06, 2008, 11:22:20 AM
Yesterday over at Cornell...

Ithaca 9 Utica 1
Ithaca 12 Utica 3

Two more today at what looks like will be sun-drenched Freeman Field. If I didn't have work today I'd drive down to IC and check out the games.
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Post by: John McGraw on April 06, 2008, 08:48:34 PM
Ithaca 1 Utica 0
Ithaca 6 Utica 3

Ithaca has won 12 straight since getting back from California. The Bombers host Oneonta for a midweek game next.
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Post by: JQV on April 07, 2008, 09:19:33 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 03, 2008, 08:08:43 PMbut I would officially like to start the clock on how long in with take JQViper to whip out that picture of IC's trophy case from 1980.  And.........It is 8:08 pm. 

Nah, no need for the trophy case.

Besides, everyone knows that Cortland is just using the 'Port twinbill as an excuse.  They obviously cancelled the game because IC had its pitching lined up to use its top starters midweek.  You know, because they never use them in conference play on the weekends.

+k
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Post by: John McGraw on April 08, 2008, 07:20:26 PM
Today at Freeman Field...

Ithaca 12 Oneonta 5

-Nick Sottung earned his school record 29th career victory.
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Post by: pudge27 on April 09, 2008, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: JoseQViper on April 07, 2008, 09:19:33 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 03, 2008, 08:08:43 PMbut I would officially like to start the clock on how long in with take JQViper to whip out that picture of IC's trophy case from 1980.  And.........It is 8:08 pm. 

Nah, no need for the trophy case.

Besides, everyone knows that Cortland is just using the 'Port twinbill as an excuse.  They obviously cancelled the game because IC had its pitching lined up to use its top starters midweek.  You know, because they never use them in conference play on the weekends.

+k

Can't say that I blame them.  The idea of throwing your ace midweek and taking 4 from UC on the weekends has worked pretty well in the recent past.  It's actually nice to see some NY schools playing well.  I think it would be great to have an all NY regional this year.  Cortland, IC, RPI, UR, SJFC all seem to be playing well.  It's pretty early, but any other votes on who we might see from NYS come regional time?
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Post by: John McGraw on April 09, 2008, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 09, 2008, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: JoseQViper on April 07, 2008, 09:19:33 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 03, 2008, 08:08:43 PMbut I would officially like to start the clock on how long in with take JQViper to whip out that picture of IC's trophy case from 1980.  And.........It is 8:08 pm. 

Nah, no need for the trophy case.

Besides, everyone knows that Cortland is just using the 'Port twinbill as an excuse.  They obviously cancelled the game because IC had its pitching lined up to use its top starters midweek.  You know, because they never use them in conference play on the weekends.

+k

Can't say that I blame them.  The idea of throwing your ace midweek and taking 4 from UC on the weekends has worked pretty well in the recent past.  It's actually nice to see some NY schools playing well.  I think it would be great to have an all NY regional this year.  Cortland, IC, RPI, UR, SJFC all seem to be playing well.  It's pretty early, but any other votes on who we might see from NYS come regional time?

Maybe it's just me, but I long for the days of the four-team regional. I think the last one was in 2001 at Falcon Park. I'd check up on it, but my current work project has me not wanting to do extensive research. It was an all-New York regional with Cortland, RPI, Ithaca and Old Westbury. Heck of a tournament that saw Cortland win and make its fifth-straight trip to the World Series. The best game of the tournament may have been the opener with Travis Teeter and RPI against Cortland and Mike Howell (I think that's who it was).

Now, you have six and seven team regionals and it feels just too crowded, especially when you get four games in one day for two-straight days to start the tournament.

Not sure who we'll see in Auburn, but I'd have to haphazard a guess that four of the teams would be Cortland, Ithaca, RPI and Rochester. It's early and there could very well be a fifth team sneaking into that grouping.

My question would be, if Manhattanville wins the MAC Freedom, do they get shipped to New York?
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Post by: John McGraw on April 12, 2008, 04:34:05 PM
Ithaca 12 RIT 0
Ithaca 3 RIT 0
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Post by: scuba16 on April 12, 2008, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 09, 2008, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 09, 2008, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: JoseQViper on April 07, 2008, 09:19:33 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 03, 2008, 08:08:43 PMbut I would officially like to start the clock on how long in with take JQViper to whip out that picture of IC's trophy case from 1980.  And.........It is 8:08 pm. 

Nah, no need for the trophy case.

Besides, everyone knows that Cortland is just using the 'Port twinbill as an excuse.  They obviously cancelled the game because IC had its pitching lined up to use its top starters midweek.  You know, because they never use them in conference play on the weekends.

+k

Can't say that I blame them.  The idea of throwing your ace midweek and taking 4 from UC on the weekends has worked pretty well in the recent past.  It's actually nice to see some NY schools playing well.  I think it would be great to have an all NY regional this year.  Cortland, IC, RPI, UR, SJFC all seem to be playing well.  It's pretty early, but any other votes on who we might see from NYS come regional time?

Maybe it's just me, but I long for the days of the four-team regional. I think the last one was in 2001 at Falcon Park. I'd check up on it, but my current work project has me not wanting to do extensive research. It was an all-New York regional with Cortland, RPI, Ithaca and Old Westbury. Heck of a tournament that saw Cortland win and make its fifth-straight trip to the World Series. The best game of the tournament may have been the opener with Travis Teeter and RPI against Cortland and Mike Howell (I think that's who it was).

Now, you have six and seven team regionals and it feels just too crowded, especially when you get four games in one day for two-straight days to start the tournament.

Not sure who we'll see in Auburn, but I'd have to haphazard a guess that four of the teams would be Cortland, Ithaca, RPI and Rochester. It's early and there could very well be a fifth team sneaking into that grouping.

My question would be, if Manhattanville wins the MAC Freedom, do they get shipped to New York?

4 team regionals were a better overall format, you had the best 4 teams from each region battling it out and no team wore themselves out. Having said that, if you are going to have anywhere from 5-8 team regionals with byes, why not just make 8, 8 team regionals (64 teams) and we'll see the best in Wisconsin.
It should be 8, 4 team regionals or the 2nd best option of 8, 8 team regionals. This nonsense of buys and stuff is ridiculous in a double elimination format. You are giving a team an unfair advantage, earned or unearned!

The other thing that is dumb IMO is shipping teams to different regions. If you are not good enough to make your regional that you play in, you don't make any regional.
I know the goal is to get the best teams playing in the post season, but make the regional of the region you play in or go home!
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Post by: shoeless on April 13, 2008, 03:58:10 PM
is ithaca and corland playing today?  Who won?
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Post by: jdex on April 13, 2008, 04:51:59 PM

    Cortland at Ithaca on Wednesday. Earlier date at CSt ppd. by weather and yet to be rescheduled. Cortland 21-3 with today's 6-3 decisioning of Plattsburgh in first game of charted conference dh at frigid C'land
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Post by: jdex on April 13, 2008, 04:56:19 PM

   Cortland wins nightcap 5-4 stretching win streak to 18
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Post by: John McGraw on April 13, 2008, 09:34:03 PM
Ithaca 5 RIT 0
Ithaca 5 RIT 1

RIT scored one run in four games against Ithaca on the weekend. Ithaca-Cortland this Wednesday. If gas wasn't 3.53/gallon I'd consider driving down.
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Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 15, 2008, 11:53:14 AM
John,

Where is that cheap gas located... may drive out to fill up at that price!
;D

It is getting unbelievealbe isn't it...
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Post by: pudge27 on April 15, 2008, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 13, 2008, 09:34:03 PM
Ithaca 5 RIT 0
Ithaca 5 RIT 1

RIT scored one run in four games against Ithaca on the weekend. Ithaca-Cortland this Wednesday. If gas wasn't 3.53/gallon I'd consider driving down.


John,  Thanks to the Bombers, you don't have to drive down there.  Looking at the picture that was recently on D3baseball.com, if you sit on your front porch from anywhere in North America with a decent pair of binoculars, you should be able to clearly see the numbers on the back of Ithaca's jerseys.  Problem solved. 
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Post by: JQV on April 15, 2008, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 15, 2008, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 13, 2008, 09:34:03 PM
Ithaca 5 RIT 0
Ithaca 5 RIT 1

RIT scored one run in four games against Ithaca on the weekend. Ithaca-Cortland this Wednesday. If gas wasn't 3.53/gallon I'd consider driving down.


John,  Thanks to the Bombers, you don't have to drive down there.  Looking at the picture that was recently on D3baseball.com, if you sit on your front porch from anywhere in North America with a decent pair of binoculars, you should be able to clearly see the numbers on the back of Ithaca's jerseys.  Problem solved. 

Holy Crap.  Why even use binos?  Those are ridiculous.  +k.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 15, 2008, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: JoseQViper on April 15, 2008, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 15, 2008, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 13, 2008, 09:34:03 PM
Ithaca 5 RIT 0
Ithaca 5 RIT 1

RIT scored one run in four games against Ithaca on the weekend. Ithaca-Cortland this Wednesday. If gas wasn't 3.53/gallon I'd consider driving down.


John,  Thanks to the Bombers, you don't have to drive down there.  Looking at the picture that was recently on D3baseball.com, if you sit on your front porch from anywhere in North America with a decent pair of binoculars, you should be able to clearly see the numbers on the back of Ithaca's jerseys.  Problem solved. 

Holy Crap.  Why even use binos?  Those are ridiculous.  +k.

Yeah, I guess they scraped the pinstripes after last season. I was a big fan of the pinstripes actually. Oh well.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on April 15, 2008, 02:19:26 PM
here is a better picture:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbombers.ithaca.edu%2Fimages%2Fbaseball%2F2008%2F4%2F3%2FGO8U2439.jpg&hash=d02e08a20f7e39f76dc987fa076f609b45d7aab8)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 19, 2008, 01:25:06 PM
Ithaca - St. John Fisher

Game 1
Ithaca 3 Fisher 2

Wolf 7.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K
King 7.0 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K

Ahonen 2-for-3
Smith 1-for-2, 1 R, 1 RBI
Raux 0-for-1, 1 R, 1 RBI
Wolf 1-for-3, 1 R

Live stats at athletics.sjfc.edu
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 19, 2008, 03:22:19 PM
Ithaca - St. John Fisher
Game 2

Bottom 3
St. John Fisher 3 Ithaca 2

SJF - Dan Jurik, Ithaca - Pete MacDaniel
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2008, 12:31:09 AM
Fisher won the second game, 4-3.

That's not a surprise. Fisher's a good team and could in theory find a way into the NCAA tournament again this year. Ithaca win tomorrow clinches at least a share of the league title, a sweep clinches it.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2008, 01:52:53 PM
Sunday

Game 1 Final
Ithaca 7 St. John Fisher 1

Ithaca clinches a share of the Empire 8 title. Sottung gets win number 30 of his career.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2008, 02:54:05 PM
Game 2

Top 2
Ithaca 2 St. John Fisher 0
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2008, 06:58:42 PM
Game 2
Ithaca 3 St. John Fisher 2

Ithaca wins the Empire 8 title outright.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on April 21, 2008, 08:20:19 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 20, 2008, 06:58:42 PMIthaca wins the Empire 8 title outright.

you forgot "..again." 

Who was saying IC's season outside of Cortland isn't a snoozefest?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 21, 2008, 10:28:19 AM
Hey viper,
I quess you could say that both Cortland's and Ithaca's season inside the NY region are a snoozefest other than playing each other!
Thank God for the spring trips, where both teams played some national level type competition!
Looks to me like the NY region is down this year at every school that is not on or in close proximity to rte 13.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 21, 2008, 10:35:51 AM
I would disagree with that.
Yeah the Empire 8 and SUNYAC is extremely weak  this year but the Liberty has a couple of good teams this year. 

Cortland and Ithaca are always good, but the statement that the rest of the NY is weak is way off base.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 21, 2008, 11:00:13 AM
I agree  RPI and Rochester are also good teams but other than that there isn't much in NY state
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on April 21, 2008, 11:04:55 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 21, 2008, 10:35:51 AMCortland and Ithaca are always good, but the statement that the rest of the NY is weak is way off base.

No one said that...this time.  I guess we will see just how strong they are in the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 21, 2008, 12:46:17 PM
Here are the NY region champions as far back as I can remember
1990 - IC
1991 - IC
1992 - IC
1993 - IC
1994 - IC
1995 - Cortland
1996-  RPI
1997-2001 - CORTLAND
2002 - RPI
2003 - TRINITY CONN
2004 - BROCKPORT
2005 - CORTLAND
2006 - ECONN
2007 - CORTLAND
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 21, 2008, 12:48:07 PM
I think the jury is still out on Rochester and RPI. RPI's schedule leaves a little bit to desire and Rochester was just swept badly by Clarkson yesterday.

There's a chance, with the enlarged field, that both teams will go to Auburn - unless one of them has a meltdown in the final three weeks or so.

Then, who else is going from New York? Well, I think St. John Fisher, is still slightly in the race. They need to win out in their conference games and sweep Rochester at the end of the month. If that happens, they'll sneak in as a six seed or so. Their resume isn't great though with in-region losses to Brockport and Oneonta (2).

Elsewhere, you've got an auto-qualifier from the Skyline that will slide in as a seven or eight seed. Out-of-region Westfield was the low man on the totem poll last year. Then there's the NEAC. Keystone was the top team in the league last year but they weren't tournament eligible. Cazenovia leads the league right now, but Keystone has the best overall record.

Not having seen the handbook for this year, I'd suspect Manhattanville may be shipped back to New York. Though they could end up at the Mid-Atlantic region too. The Valiants are in the drivers seat in the MACF right now.

So, that being said, here's what it looks like in Auburn, barring some New England interlopers.

1. Cortland
2. Ithaca
3. RPI/Rochester
4. RPI/Rochester
5. Manhattanville
6. Skyline
7. NEAC
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 21, 2008, 01:59:37 PM
If anyone were to look at the numbers Ithaca's schedule is very weak this year. They played a couple of good teams in California and 2 good teams in NY and lost to both. I believe Ithaca is a good team but let's not just say they other peoples schedules are weak just because its the they don't play in the western part of the state.

I think if any of the schools listed have a bad 3 weeks, except Cortland,  they could be left out. Cortalnd has played a tough schedule and looking at the numbers Ithaca is NO LOCK!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on April 21, 2008, 02:37:36 PM
So John your saying that Rochester has an outside chance, or better that 50% chance of making it, depending on the out come of the final three weeks, correct?  What then, based on a final record, would you consider them as a team for the regional.  I'm sure this has been explained before, but with all of the knowledge on this website, a simple explanation would help me understand better the process, besides winning the conference outright.

Thanks
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on April 21, 2008, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 21, 2008, 01:59:37 PM2 good teams in NY and lost to both

I presume this refers to Fisher.  Under what logic does winning 3 of 4 constitute a loss?

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 21, 2008, 03:47:47 PM
Quote from: JoseQViper on April 21, 2008, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 21, 2008, 01:59:37 PM2 good teams in NY and lost to both

I presume this refers to Fisher.  Under what logic does winning 3 of 4 constitute a loss?



No idea, I figured I'd just let that go.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: shoeless on April 21, 2008, 05:57:12 PM
Rochester and RPI will be settled up this weekend.  Rochester and RPI can both hit.  Both have good 1 and 2 pitchers. 

Rochester pitchers get no support from defense.

But i agree Clarkson is not a very good team.

Rochester finishes with Ithaca and St John Fisher I believe. Their schedule is much softer than RPIs.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 21, 2008, 07:29:49 PM
I believe that this year unless each fall apart in the last 2 weeks of the season that the Liberty League is the 2 bid league from NY. Rochester and RPI are both good squads and look like they could compete.

SUNYAC looks very weak this year with no team with 20 wins except Cortland.

Empire 8 is even weaker besides Ithaca.

Just my take.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on April 21, 2008, 08:18:48 PM
I don't believe that the SUNYAC is very weak at all.  With the exception of Cortland, there's more parity in the league this year than in recent past.  I think that constitutes a strong conference when there are several teams beating each other up and the playoff situation comes down to the last conference weekend.  Some of the SUNYAC teams may not have the win total that was mentioned (20) but are still good teams who have just struggled in the conference.  Conference play basically accounts for a third of your schedule and if you struggle in conference thenit's going to be tough to have a win total of much over 20.  That's not counting wins in the conference tourney if you make it.  I guess it depends on the criteria you want to use in judging the strength of a conference put parity is a big factor for me and the SUNYAC has that.  Brockport is down a bit this year but I think talent wise they are second best in the conference regardless of record.  I'd take Cortland and B'port over RPI and U of R and the rest of each conference is a draw.  Sorry Boomer and no offense to U of R but I don't think their schedule is difficult whatsoever and their record is not a great indicator of how good they are.  I know they are a solid team but if they played Cortland's schedule how would their record look?  I just think that basing the strength of a conference on win totals for its teams can be misleading. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on April 21, 2008, 08:36:15 PM
StarvinMarvin.....

I don't disagree at all with what your saying, I think that Rochester's schedule was softer that Cortlands, by how much, who's to say.  But, like my friend "shoeless" says, the defense needs to tighten it up if they are to get a chance at any post season play, plus they need to really win big against RPI and St.John Fisher.  Beating Ithaca tomorrow would be a definite plus as well!

Like I mentioned in previous posts, I wish that the weather didn't keep Rochester from playing their games against Cortland and Brockport.  Without dising either program, I think UR would have been great competition for both of those.  Yep, I'm a UR homer, but I've seen these kids play good ball.  They can hold their own with anyone.  Why did they lose several supposed easy games, with mistakes, whos knows.  Thats baseball!!  Will any of you be surprised if they beat Ithaca, or RPI, or St. John Fisher?  I know I won't, I really believe they can.  No I'm not a dreamer, just a believer in this team and its talent.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on April 21, 2008, 08:49:19 PM
Boomer, I for one would not be surprised at all if they beat any of the teams you mentioned.  I'm actually rooting for them to beat those teams, I'd like to see them get a post-season bud.  Best of luck tomorrow and this upcoming weekend as well!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 21, 2008, 09:18:25 PM
Boomer,

A solid team like Rochester has a great chance to beat any of the teams you mentioned. In the E8 this season Fisher swept  Stevens (6-22 overall, 0-8 in the E8), but three of the games were decided by one run. Even Utica (2-17 overall, 0-8 in the E8) gave Ithaca two tough games in their Sunday double header losing 1-0 and 6-3.

The unpredictable nature of the game makes the winning streaks of Ithaca (theirs now over) and Cortland so impressive. Though impressive, those streaks and records don't mean diddly on any given day. But as part of a body of work to present to the tournament selection committee... "priceless."
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 21, 2008, 11:29:09 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 21, 2008, 08:36:15 PM

I think that Rochester's schedule was softer that Cortlands, by how much, who's to say. 

By how much? I would say Rochester's schedule was softer than C-State's and so would 99% of anyone who knows D-3 baseball!
Have you even looked at who Cortland played in their non leaguers? Look at these and compare:
http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/schedule.aspx?path=baseball&

http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/schedule.php?id=1

When you think of D-3 powerhouses Drew, Case, Washington MO, Washington and Brandeis don't come to mind.

As a Ithaca despiser, it pains me to say this but they play a hell of a schedule as well!
http://bombers.ithaca.edu/schedules.asp?path=baseball

When you look at the schedule IC and Cortland play and then try to compare them to U of R's it laughable.
They both played a nationally strong spring trip schedule, riddled with teams that have won National Championships and had multiple World Series Appearances while U of R was playing Skidmore 4 times in florida! That's Funny!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on April 22, 2008, 01:34:54 AM
scuba16.....

Whoa, timeout!!!  I'm not disputing the quality of IC or Cortland's schedules.  I'm just saying that when you look at stats, that is how teams are compared, aren't they, Rochester has played very well this year.  Sure we can dissect every player, every pitcher, and for that matter every play, but you don't know what will happen when two teams meet.  Sure you can speculate, but you really don't know.

Nobody said that Rochester had a tougher schedule than Cortland, or that Cortland played "cupcake" teams.  And your correct when you mention Drew, Case, Wash. U. and Brandeis.  But you forgot to mention Emory.  Check the box score.  Yes, UR blew-it in that game against Emory, as they did against Case, and Brandeis, and Vassar, and Clarkson, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that they have improved considerably over last years team, and others in recent years.  Will they continue to win this year?  Yes, and with a better chance than they did last year.

Why is Rochester getting some recognition these days?  Is it a fluke?  No, not really.  Compare averages from last season and pitching stats and they have improved, haven't they.  Teams make mistakes, and mistakes that can keep them from going on into, or further along in the post season.  If UR makes it to the regional its not because they weren't good enough, schedule or otherwise.  Since everything is based upon stats, wins, loses, etc., who's to say they shouldn't be there.  You probably think that its a bad idea to have 64 teams (excuse me 65) bracketed to play for the national championship like they have in DI baseketball.  Why don't they just hand over the trophy to the #1 ranked team and forget the tournament?

It seems everyone wishes they could have a team like a Cortland, or Carthage, or Trinity, or who ever, and many of you may think that I'm putting the cart before the horse.  I'm not!  And please don't preach to me about how IC and Cortland have played such nationally famous National Championship programs or multiple appearnace World Series programs either.  There are so many factors as to why or how programs continue to be in the spotlight more often than not.  Don't even go there.

I'm sorry if I offended you with respect to Cortland.  I would just love to see that game played, or for that matter any of the other top teams.  Will see what happens this weekend.  If UR gets the chance to play in the post season, I'll be there to see it, win or lose!!!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: shoeless on April 22, 2008, 05:41:38 AM
Scuba

Cortland would have played rochester if it didn't rain, so using your logic they played far inferior teams.  Comeone.  Rochester has brockport, sjfc, rpi, emory, cortland and ithaca on their schedule.  That ain't bad in addition to league teams.

I don't like defending rochester, but they did have a tough schedule.  it rained.  Ithaca today will be at test. if they have any pitchers left after blowing it defensively for their pitchers against clarkson.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 22, 2008, 08:25:44 AM
Boomer,
You said "I think that Rochester's schedule was softer that Cortlands, by how much, who's to say."

And I responded by giving you facts on how much softer U of R's schedule actually was in comparison to Cortland's.
Not a knock on U of R at all, but facts are facts and Cortland played probably the best(if not the best top 2) non-conference, out of region schedule in the country. No one can dispute that, go look at the schedule for yourself and check how many World Series appearances and WS championships each team has that Cortland played this spring!

Shoeless,
If you will read the post again, I was referring to the non-conference, out of region, national D-3 schedule that Cortland played.
Everyone in NY pretty much plays the same teams and its hard not to, there are only so many teams to play! 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on April 22, 2008, 09:12:09 AM
Boomer,

Two observations:

1) If memory serves, you have a kid that plays at UR, is that correct?  Did you follow D3 baseball before he got there?  Generally, I think people pick up the D3 game whenever they (or their kid) arrives at school and lack some historical perspective.  I don't mean that as an insult in any way.  When I first got to IC I had a similar problem and I noticed it renewing itself every year with the student media.  It is only natural.  It would be very difficult to have any historical perspective if you weren't tied to one of these schools because you have to actively seek out the information unlike D1.  That said, I think the unspoken theme in the posts about IC, Cortland, and everyone else is that every year someone other than IC and Cortland are the new challenger on the block in NY.  Then, almost every year, it comes down to the same two schools.  There have been anomalies but, if you take a relevant historical sample, you will see the trend I am talking about.  It is the same argument we have on the E8 Football Board.  That is why it is hard for longtime followers of IC or Cortland to take the new flavor of the month seriously until we see some hard evidence that they can play.  It has happened on ocassion in the past (Brockport comes to mind immediately) but not that often.

2.  If I understand your argument correctly, you are saying UR is a good team but has just made some critical mistakes that makes them appear worse than they are...is that correct?

If it is then this looks like a pattern to me:
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 22, 2008, 01:34:54 AMCheck the box score.  Yes, UR blew-it in that game against Emory, as they did against Case, and Brandeis, and Vassar, and Clarkson

How mant games do they need to blow before it stops being evidence that they are improving and start being evidence that they are just good enough to compete and not good enough to win?  (That was intended to be much less sarcastic than it reads).
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on April 22, 2008, 09:37:45 AM
shoeless....

I agree, if the defensive mistakes continue, its going to be hard to win at all, especially against the teams left on UR's schedule, Ithaca, RPI and St. John Fisher.  I also agree that if you let down your pitching staff with mistakes, or with the lack of run production, its hard for those pitchers to keep you in any games.  They can't do it all.  I think you can say that about any team.


scuba16.....

I'm not questioning the difficulty of Cortland's schedule, and I have seen it.  I'm only saying that given the opportunity of playing teams like Cortland only gives Rochester the perferred experience that its program needs inorder to...a) get better as a program,  b) gain more national exposure by maybe attracting more talent to the school in the future,  c) gaining more credibility with the national pundits,  d) seeing how they stack-up against better teams, and so on.  As I've said in the past, and I'll say it again, UR wants to play top level teams and I'm sure that the coaching staff will continue to do so.  If there program were ranked #1, or #2, or #20, I'm sure they would try finding other top schools to play, but since they are in the UAA and have the annual tournament in Florida that they are committed to play in, they will just have to contend with the weather in New York.  Because of the weather in early March/April, that is why they played Skidmore in Florida.  Sorry if they don't meet your high expectations, but they are trying to get better.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on April 22, 2008, 09:59:31 AM
JoseQViper......

Bingo!!!!!!!!!  You understood where I was coming from based upon your first observation, and I'm won't go any further with this subject.  Its right on target.

With your second observation, and it ties into the first, I understand your point and agree with it.  Your team can't be taken seriously if you continue with those types of performances.  I'm not trying to make excuses for UR but they know they need to tighten things up.  Are they just good enough to compete?  I hope not.  I hope their better than that as indicated by their offensive numbers, but have gone down on their fielding percentage.  Pitching is better than last year.

But like all of the banter that goes back-and-forth here on this website about who won how many championships, whether its about the teams from the Empire 8, Liberty League, SUNYAC, or the Skyline conferences, you will always have someone or group pulling for, and defending their school of choice.

I didn't start posting on this site to cause trouble, just to learn about the DIII experience and what its all about in New York.  I'm just as passionate as the next person about baseball, and reading about the history of some of these schools makes you hope that the school your son is attending has a chance at winning games against those heralded programs and could make it into post season play.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on April 22, 2008, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 22, 2008, 09:59:31 AMBut like all of the banter that goes back-and-forth here on this website about who won how many championships, whether its about the teams from the Empire 8, Liberty League, SUNYAC, or the Skyline conferences, you will always have someone or group pulling for, and defending their school of choice.

I love that banter too.  Especially because everyone has a 0 in the championships column with one exception...(attention haters, begin smiting now)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 22, 2008, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: JoseQViper on April 22, 2008, 10:47:43 AM
I love that banter too.  Especially because everyone has a 0 in the championships column with one exception...(attention haters, begin smiting now)
Also love the banter so here I go!

What does IC baseball have in common with these following teams:
1986 mets, 1980 phillies, 1985 royals, 1908 cubs, 1948 indians, 1983 orioles, 1984 tigers etc..
Its been a long time since they won anything!

You weren't even born when IC won the World Series 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on April 22, 2008, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: scuba16 on April 22, 2008, 12:14:49 PMYou weren't even born when IC won the World Series 

I was alive...but I had never heard of IC.

Besides, I'd rather be the 1986 mets, 1980 phillies, 1985 royals, 1908 cubs, 1948 indians, 1983 orioles, 1984 tigers

than the 1991, 1992, 1996, and 1999 Braves (or, for a more geographically relevant reference, the Buffalo Bills).
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on April 22, 2008, 03:07:19 PM
Looks like there are quite a few panties in a bunch on the E8 page.  If I may chime in.  I think that one of the challenges in a school like UR or even Fisher getting a tough out of conference schedule is that fewer of the top schools want to play them.  I'll explain.  Let's use a school like ECONN with a great tradition.  They might be staying at the hotel next door to UR, but won't want to play them because of the risk/reward issue.  Cortland and Ithaca have an easy time scheduling other great teams because there is risk and reward for both.  A top 5 team doesn't have much to gain (yet) by scheduling UR down south, but a ton to lose.  I think it takes a few years of consistent winning locally before you can pick up the phone and schedule one of the big boys.  That being said, dropping games to Vassar and Clarkson won't get you a return call from the ECONN's and Marietta's of the world. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on April 22, 2008, 03:40:23 PM
Tis a good point...+k.

In theory though, the risk for a top tier school should be lower if they are in a different region (like Marietta and possibly EConn)...right?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on April 22, 2008, 04:45:49 PM
pudge27....

I agree with your thinking totally.  But Rochester is and has been scheduled to play Cortland and Ithaca anyway.  Maybe CS and IC feel that they will probably beat UR anyway.  Makes sense to me for them to think that way.  And, losing to Vassar and Clarkson was definitely not good.  The new polls show that.

Good points made regarding this.  Sorry to tie-up the Empire 8 Forum with this!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on April 22, 2008, 05:54:11 PM
Top programs in the country like ECONN and Marietta would and do most definitely play schools like U of R on their non-conference schedule.  Those schools try to play strong opponents on their spring trips but they know that it's necessary to play a team or two where the high risk/low reward concept exists.  If the trip starts going bad or even if it's going well coaches try to throw a cupcake in there, no offense to the schools mentioned by pudge, to get a sure thing win or even to rest some players during the week and get their bench some reps for example.  Go look at any top program and they have teams like U of R or Clarkson etc. on every non-conference schedule.  If anything, the schools that pudge mentioned don't attempt to play the top schools because they know that it's going to take as many wins as possible to get a post-season bid. Those schools know that they might struggle once they get back to their region so where better to get as many wins as possible where you can dictate your opponent to some extent than your spring trip.  sorry pudge but i'm not buying your theory.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BoomerIL on April 22, 2008, 07:22:02 PM
To all of you gentlemen.......

I just finished listening to the Rochester vs. IC game on IC's radio broadcast.  I will say it again, UR gave them the game and IC didn't do much better either!!  However, and I say this with much pain, I will not bring-up how, who, what, when, or where regarding UR anymore this season.  They lost in 10 innings, 8-7 when they were leading 7-4 in the ninth.  A great testimony to IC's team!!!!

No further comments will be made by me, so have at it!!!!!!    :o 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on April 22, 2008, 07:32:36 PM
Boomer, you should most certainly continue to bring up all aspects of the U of R program.  Personally, I have enjoyed all of the debate and discussion.  There's a lot of season left and anything can happen so let's continue on about this great game that we all enjoy!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on April 22, 2008, 08:02:44 PM
Boomer,
    I don't think that anyone sees UR as a weak sister around here, but they just haven't closed out a season all the way in awhile.  In fact, I think that UR's non-conference northern schedule is pretty tough.  My points were more geared towards the difference in Southern trips.  Tough loss today.  I would have gotten a chuckle out of IC dropping one to the U.

Mahvin,
   Everybody's going to have a couple of creampuffs on the southern trip for a number of reasons, but I still don't think that it's that easy to just get a top flight team to play you down south.  Once you get up north, it's different.  You play the best and closest non conference games because you want quality wins. 

Viper,
   If you'd really, truly never heard of IC the last time they won a NC, I don't think you can claim it. 
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Post by: scuba16 on April 22, 2008, 11:50:10 PM
The original post was simply to clear the air on Boomers misconception that U of R's schedule was anywhere close to Cortland's!
This has morphed into something bigger so to put this whole U of R, weak sister, who you play on your southern trip nonsense to rest and add a little perspective, I will drop some Division 3 baseball knowledge.

Take the southern trip and throw it in the garbage if you are U of R, who you played, who you beat, who you lost to, IT DOESN'T MATTER!
You gotta beat all or most of the NY region teams you play and win your conference!

I played at CF Cortland from 1993-1995 and we didn't play a national power type team in florida any of the years I played. We played whoever Coach Owens could schedule and that included D-1's -D-3's and all in between.
The focus of the southern trip was to get good enough to win the SUNYAC and get a regional bid, which in those days were only 4 for the NY region!
IC was a powerhouse like most of you have never seen and had 1 locked up because they were that good and thats where we(cortland) wanted to be.

Cortland wasn't the Cortland most of you know now and we had to win the SUNYAC and the ECAC in 1993 to get that bid. The SUNYAC did not get an automatic bid in those days! We won both, got a bid and played in the NY regional. We beat RPI and Doug Drumm in the 1st round and eventually got eliminated, but WE MADE THE REGIONAL, which was the goal from the beginning of the season.

In 1994, our goal was upgraded to making the regional again, which we did and naturally win the thing but unfortunately IC was a better club again but this year we won a couple more NY regional games and slightly inched closer to IC as a ball club.

1995, With the addition of some recruits, transfers and hard work, Cortland as you know it now is taking shape but IC still stands in the way. We win the SUNYAC, lose to IC twice in the regular season, 2 close games and make the regional. We lose the 1st game and win 5 in a row, eliminating IC on the way, to take the regional and on to the Series it is. Monkey off the back and Cortland Baseball has never looked back.

The moral of the story is U of R (or any other NY team that has Regional on the mind) needs to do whatever it takes to get into the regional 1st and foremost and worry about the other stuff later!
Small steps, hard work, a couple of favorable bounces and a GOAL SET at the beginning of the year to do better than the last year is the way to go.
No one is going to hand you anything in this region!
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Post by: BoomerIL on April 23, 2008, 01:25:58 AM
scuba16....

I really appreciate the time you spent explaining the situation with Cortland, and how they have become a premier program.  I think having a set of goals for a program are extremely important, like making it to the regionals.  The history was interesting to read, and I actually copied your text for future reference.  Its one more piece of information for me in learning about New York and DIII baseball.  I never played baseball in college and can only envy those of you who have.  Thanks again for the post.

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Post by: John McGraw on April 23, 2008, 01:34:44 AM
Just a random observation, the best player at Rochester recently was Chris Rosenbaum. He played at UofR for two seasons before transferring to Division II Tampa. He was an all-conference and all-region guy plus all-academic (I'm too lazy to look up his exact awards). Chris was part of two national championship teams with Tampa and he had the game-winning hit in the title 2006 D-II title tilt.

Chris is currently playing in the Los Angeles Angels farm system with the Cedar Rapids Kernals.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2008, 01:41:39 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 23, 2008, 01:34:44 AM
Just a random observation, the best player at Rochester recently was Chris Rosenbaum. He played at UofR for two seasons before transferring to Division II Tampa. He was an all-conference and all-region guy plus all-academic (I'm too lazy to look up his exact awards). Chris was part of two national championship teams with Tampa and he had the game-winning hit in the title 2006 D-II title tilt.

Chris is currently playing in the Los Angeles Angels farm system with the Cedar Rapids Kernals.
With academic prowess that would admit him to Rochester, it would not surprise me to see Rosenbaum move to the front office when his playing days are over.
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Post by: JQV on April 23, 2008, 08:51:59 AM
In looking at the direction D3 sports seem to be heading in upstate, I would think UR Baseball is a program situated well to move into the next echelon eventually.

Seems like a lot of NY schools are starting to take their athletic programs seriously, in a way they hadn't in the past.  That has chipped away at some of the perennial powers' ability to recruit NY talent.  Stated more directly, the talent that comes out of NY is getting spread around leading to more parity.   The schools that will be good in the near future are those schools that can recruit out of state.

Seems to me that UR has the advantage on everyone in this area.  The men's hoop team has proven that.  I wouldn't be surprised if the baseball or football team took a similar step...eventually. 
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Post by: BaseB13 on April 23, 2008, 11:33:54 AM
Hello fellas, been awhile since I was on.  Just caught up on all the banter.

My thoughts:

a) I don't think anyone wants to dispute this:  Cortland is the best in region, plays the toughest schedule, and is the team to beat.

b)  IC Lovers, stop saying the region is Cortland/IC, then everyone else.  This year it's actually Cortland then IC, RPI, UR (Maybe SJFC), then everyone else. 

c) I believe someone said UR and other in region teams are not good competition for Ithaca.  Well yetserdays game seemed pretty competitive. 

d) I disagree with whoever said the SUNYAC is strong this year.  I think this is the weakest its been in awhile.  First time in a few years that we dont have a Cortland/Platt/Oneonta/BPort tournament though.  Tough to say your conference is strong when the 2nd place team has an overall record of 11 - 16.  What happened to Brockport anyways?  They just play poorly in confernece?

e)  I think as of right now the LL is the strongest conference in the region.  Yes Cortland is by far the best team, but after them the SUNYAC seems to have fallen off this year.  The E8 has Ithaca and Fisher but right now I'd say RPI/UR are equal if not better.  After those top two teams I think SLU/Skid/Clark are stronger than RIT. 

f)  I think many teams are having a difficult time scheduling tougher in region opponents.  With the LL switching to 24 conference games it forced the E8 to do the same thing.  Therefore the top teams seem to beat up on the bottom teams in their conference causing major disparity in records.  If the 4 game conference schedule was not implemented teams like RPI/Ithaca would be playing.  I think it's caused a lot of inflated records.  (In the LL for sure with teams winning 7 or 8 games against Vassar and Union instead of 3 or 4 and then having to play tougher non conference games, same with the E8). 

g)  Many of the NY Region Representatives are made based on UR or RPI winning the Liberty League Tournament which UR has never accomplished (let alone won a conference tournament game in 5 years) and RPI has not done in the last three years.  The only way they both make it is if one of them wins the tournament (IMO). 

Just my thoughts. 
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Post by: John McGraw on April 23, 2008, 10:24:46 PM
Ithaca 14 Clarkson 5

Ithaca next vs. Brockport at home on Saturday, at Oneonta Sunday. Then Monday and Tuesday against Oswego State and St. Lawrence respectively to wrap up the schedule before finals. The Oswego/St. Larry's games will be in Auburn. Then Ithaca hosts Montclair State on May 10 and 11 at Freeman Field to conclude the regular season.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on April 24, 2008, 12:17:38 PM
Just a little tidbit on the scheduling.  I know the UR southern trip debate got bigger than people intended and someone (Scuba?) explained what he meant.  I do think UR's schedule is pretty strong, including their southern trip.  Now at scheduling time  you can pretty much only go by how a team did the prior year to see if you'll be playing strong competition.  It's quite possible the team who you thought was very good could have a down year.  Also UR does not control their Southern schedule at all with the exception of playing Drew this year.  They had to play 4 LL games versus Skidmore and then their UAA schedule.  If I were them I would not make that one Drew game a top tier opponenent anyways if I know i had 4 conference games and then my UAA schedule to play.  You'd be throwing your team to the wolves having to pitch a back end guy.  This year UR did play 3 NCAA tournament teams down south, Skidmore, Emory, and Wash U.  Their northern schedule includes SJFC, IC, and Cortland.  So 6 NCAA tournament teams from last year are on their schedule.  Not to mention RPI and SLU both were in the tournament 2 years ago.  Throw in Brockport who is usually very solid.  It may not be as tough as Cortland's but I don't think their schedule can be considered weak at all.  Just my two cents.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 26, 2008, 05:51:17 PM
Brockport 7 Ithaca 5

Bombers at O-State tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 26, 2008, 09:25:24 PM
Who threw for IC, Brockport?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: StarvinMarvin on April 26, 2008, 09:43:04 PM
Nick Sottung (7 walks) for IC and Jason Shannon for B'Port.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 26, 2008, 09:59:30 PM
John,  that has changed as Oneonta is going to Fredonia to play their last SUNYAC games that were just rescheduled last week.   
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2008, 08:54:49 PM
Ithaca 10 St. Lawrence 3
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Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 29, 2008, 09:50:45 PM
Quick comment on BaseB13's comment about the SUNYAC this year...

The league did start the season poorly and some of the teams that have won 25 plus games in the past have struggled this year.  But they are still teams that play you tough...  I think the entire league is a little more even this year.  And do agree, perhaps a little down from the last few years.

And who would have thought when you posted your post on 4/23 stating that this is the first year we don't have the same 4 teams in the tournament... that we in fact would have the same four teams again.  We do... as Oneonta and Brockport won the games that they needed to win to get in.  Oneonta as the #2 seed, and Brockport as the #3.

Also, Brockport started the year a little shakey... if you look at the box scores, they were in all the games (but 2) but didn't win some close ones.  And they had 4 or 5 freshman on the field almost every game...  They lost four returning players unexpectedly from last years team and had to fill the holes.  It took some time to do so... and some of the returners struggled early.  But the leadership held everything together and they have turned the corner and are on a winning streak right now.

Good job by first year coach Beach to hold it all together and turn it around... the young guys are veterans now as they've been trusted to do the job all year and are doing Fine.

It will be an interesting end to the year... with most likely a couple new visitors to the regional.  Great time of year!
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Post by: BaseB13 on April 30, 2008, 11:39:37 AM
Bob I agree with you.  At the time I thought someone had said the SUNYAC teams were set.  But it does appear the same teams are in.  I had seen  Brockport play this year and they are by no means bad at all.  But in the past they've had some VERY strong teams.  Around the time of that post I also had a Brockport baseball alum mention to me that Fredonia had just swept them.  I don't think this has happened in a very long time so it led me to believe Brockport wasn't as strong as usual (but still very good).  It had also seemed like Plattsburgh was a bit weaker than in past years.  So I don't think the conference is bad at all.  I just think compared to the past year or two they are not quite as strong.  Brockport has really turned it on though which doesn't surprise me considering some of their losses were heart breakers early on.  Hopefully the Brock, Platt, and Oneonta can make the conference tournament interesting.  I always enjoy an upset.
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Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2008, 03:02:51 PM
Wednesday - Oneonta 8 Ithaca 4
Saturday - Penn State Behrend (31-9) 6 Ithaca 5
Sunday - Ithaca 11 York 2
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Post by: John McGraw on May 10, 2008, 11:36:03 PM
Ithaca 12 Montclair State 0

Josh Smith hit a pair of home runs and IC pitchers struck out 12 MSU hitters. Pitcher-by-committee today with Wolf, Sottung, Conway and Gardner.

They'll play again on Sunday.

Honestly, I'm more interested in the softball regionals taking place just a walk away at Kostrinsky Field. Ithaca plays either Rochester or Bethany (WV) in the title round. They just need one win to go to Salem.
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Post by: Caz Bombers on May 11, 2008, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 10, 2008, 11:36:03 PM
Ithaca 12 Montclair State 0

Josh Smith hit a pair of home runs and IC pitchers struck out 12 MSU hitters. Pitcher-by-committee today with Wolf, Sottung, Conway and Gardner.

They'll play again on Sunday.

Honestly, I'm more interested in the softball regionals taking place just a walk away at Kostrinsky Field. Ithaca plays either Rochester or Bethany (WV) in the title round. They just need one win to go to Salem.

Funny you mentioned it John I was also going to note.  Both Ithaca and Cortland are in great shape to go to the World Series...how cool would it be to have a Cortaca national title game?
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Post by: John McGraw on May 11, 2008, 11:34:07 AM
That'd be really cool. I wonder if both have ever made the World Series at the same time? My guess would be probably not since they're usually in the same regional either at Ithaca or Cortland.

I remember I was board-op'ing the Ithaca-RPI baseball regional title game at Heritage Park in 2002 when the softball team won the national championship.
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Post by: FranElia on May 11, 2008, 06:58:28 PM
Ithaca and Cortland softball teams are both heading to the World Series in Salem, Va., after each going unbeaten in their respective regionals. To answer the previously asked question, this is the first time that Cortland and Ithaca have been in the Series together. As John said, usually they play in the same regional, although I do remember one time when Cortland was sent to a regional in Iowa in 1999, even though Ithaca was also hosting one.

To my knowledge, only once have Ithaca and Cortland played head-to-head for a team national title - Ithaca women's soccer beat Cortland in the 1990 national championship game (at Cortland), winning in penalty kicks after the teams played to a 0-0 tie through four OTs in muddy, sloppy conditions (Cortland got a little revenge two years later, beating Ithaca in PKs in the first round on its way to a national title run).

John, I will be heading to Virginia to cover softball, so I will unfortunately miss you in Auburn. I will listen to you, when possible. Enjoy the regionals!!

Fran
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Post by: pudge27 on May 11, 2008, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 11, 2008, 11:34:07 AM
That'd be really cool. I wonder if both have ever made the World Series at the same time? My guess would be probably not since they're usually in the same regional either at Ithaca or Cortland.


This comment is chum in the water for Fran.  Any doubts that he would know that one??
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Post by: scuba16 on May 11, 2008, 10:07:44 PM
No doubt NARF would eat that up like Chicken Parm at the HOLLYWOOD or a slice at PIZZA AND MORE!
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Post by: John McGraw on January 15, 2009, 10:47:33 PM
Ithaca's 2009 schedule now posted. No roster just yet but the first game of the season isn't until the beginning of March.

Typical stuff for the Ithaca slate. The Bombers again will venture west for their health to start the season with now usual games against SCIAC competition like Oxy, Cal Lutheran, Pomona Pitzer, CMS, plus Chapman. At this point, it doesn't look like Ithaca will play an eastern team out west like ECSU last year. Hopefully the '09 edition of the Bombers fair better than the '08 squad did with just two wins in Cali. It could be an interesting trip with all the fresh faces in the line-up.

Nothing that exciting on the non-conference slate once Ithaca returns to the northeast. A roadie with non-conference newby DeSales and a home contest with Old Westbury bring a splash of new life to the schedule. The DeSales game is part of Ithaca's late March trip to the Mid-Atlantic (usual games against Washington Md. and Gettysburg).

In terms of conference play, Ithaca has RIT and Utica on the road and Stevens and St. John Fisher at home. The RIT series is scheduled right now for the last weekend of March. I'd imagine that will get pushed back into April or May due to the weather. Other eyebrow raisers in terms of the weather are a 3/25 home opener with New Paltz and an April 1 date with Cortland at home. Montclair State has Ithaca listed on its' schedule in May for the weekend prior to regionals. This may or may not happen depending on what games are lost to the weather.

This should be an interesting season for the Bombers. Nine seniors graduated and a junior lost to the pros. Familiar four-year faces like Sottung, Raux, Ferguson and Smith no longer a part of the line-up, same with the elder Wolf. Offensively, it looks like the pressure will be on David Ahonen to see if he can replicate his great frosh numbers. Drew Ash is the other big returning bat. Fringe players the past few years like Jared Roth, Alan Kartholl and Brian Grastorf will be asked to step up into a full-time role. Thankfully we know Grastorf can step into the spotlight after his great performance in the Jug game.

Ithaca used 10 pitchers last year, nine regularly, and five of them return. Adam Brown, Pete MacDaniel and Tom Fishback should all battle for the top spot. I don't see any of the three jumping out at me right now. That may be a good thing so none of the three are ridden throughout the season like Sottung was last year (pitching most of the season on three days' rest). The bullpen is probably the biggest mystery since it will be full of fresh faces.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 10:49:51 PM
DeSales and Gettysburg are in-region.
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Post by: John McGraw on January 15, 2009, 10:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 10:49:51 PM
DeSales and Gettysburg are in-region.

Right, the NY/PA administrative region. I meant to the mid-atlantic region of the country.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on January 15, 2009, 10:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 10:49:51 PM
DeSales and Gettysburg are in-region.

Right, the NY/PA administrative region. I meant to the mid-atlantic region of the country.
Yes, I suspected that you did, too.  Slipping into Maryland and New Jersey gets you non-region games (for our newbies' sake).  :)
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Post by: John McGraw on February 19, 2009, 07:36:38 PM
Ithaca 2009 baseball roster is up on the sports information web site. At first outset, lots of new faces. The big news IMO is that seniors Drew Ash and Adam Brown are not listed. After some quick research online, I can't tell whether it's just an oversight, they're hurt or they transferred. But as of now, neither is listed. Ash's loss leaves leaves a big hole behind the plate with the three catchers being sophomore Mike Becker, frosh Conor Thompson and St. John Fisher transfer Mike Armstrong (hit .170 in limited action last year after transferring to Fisher from Clarkson). Brown was in the running to be Ithaca's number one starter and was going to be part of a formidable threesome with Pete MacDaniel and Tom Fishback.

The two names I wasn't expecting that are listed are Matt Samela and Kurt Bednarcyk. Samela was listed as a senior last year. He originally transferred to Ithaca from UMass Amherst (redshirted as a frosh, hence getting this extra year). He'll be the lone senior in the outfield. Bednarcyk didn't play last year due to injury according to his roster bio. He last suited up in 2007 and saw limited playing time after transferring over from Rochester. I'd imagine he'll be up for a starting spot.

Matt Streich joins the Bombers from St. Mary's, Md. He drove in 24 runs last year but managed just a .255 batting average. All the other newcomers are either first-years or players promoted from the junior varsity.

This looks like it could be a trying season. Hopefully some of the freshman turn out like David Ahonen did last year.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on February 26, 2009, 03:53:34 PM
Ithaca is Ithaca and if they win 20 games, even if they are 22-18, they'll get a bid becasue of reputation. A few years back they didn't win the league got swept by RIT and the committee still took Ithaca over RIT even though RIT beat Cortland that same year. Coach Val is a great coach and he'll make the best of the situation and get the boys playing well. I''ll say 26-14 and #3 or #4 seed in the NY Regional at least.  He knows how to teach how to pitch and not rely on power arms. His guys always are baseball guys and know how to play the game.  Both RIT as St John Fisher are getting better, but until they unseed the Bombers for more than one year the E8 belongs to IC.
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Post by: Jack Parkman on March 08, 2009, 04:21:47 PM
Ithaca vs. Cal Lutheran is on live.

www.kadytv.com
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Post by: John McGraw on March 09, 2009, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 08, 2009, 04:21:47 PM
Ithaca vs. Cal Lutheran is on live.

www.kadytv.com

Great video feed. I watched the first inning or so of the game.
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Post by: John McGraw on March 10, 2009, 09:01:12 PM
So far so good for Ithaca out west.

Cal Lutheran 8-3 W
Pomona Pitzer 10-6 L
Occidental 4-0 W

In today's win over Oxy, sophomore Aaron Sapp tossed a complete game four-hit shutout and David Ahonen had three hits and drove in one run. The Bombers play nationally-ranked Chapman tomorrow and then are off on Thursday before closing out the week with CMS on Friday, Whittier on Saturday and then a split doubleheader Sunday with Pomona-Pitzer and Menlo.
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Post by: John McGraw on March 20, 2009, 06:21:21 PM
This afternoon...

Ithaca 6 Gettysburg 4

The Bombers rally from a 4-1 deficit with a five-run outburst in the top of the ninth. Gettysburg allowed only two hits in the ninth but committed three errors.
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Post by: John McGraw on March 25, 2009, 10:38:35 PM
The home opener this afternoon at Freeman Field.

Ithaca 12 New Paltz 1

Matt Streich 2x3, 4 RBI, HR, 2 R
Matt Samela 2x3, RBI, R
PJ Niedzwiecki 2x4, R
Kurt Bednarcyk 1x2, RBI, 2 R

Five pitchers combined to allow one run on six hits. Andrew Wall allowed the lone New Paltz run in the ninth, it was unearned.

Big pair of doubleheaders on the road for the Bombers this weekend against conference favorite RIT.
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Post by: WrongArm on March 27, 2009, 08:38:20 AM
Ithaca spanked RIT pretty hard last spring. Wth all the players everyone knew Ithaca would lose from last year and the ones no one expected, on paper, RIT has a good chance for a little payback. But Ithaca has played well so far and RIT has struggled.

I'd enjoy following a tighter E8 race this spring.
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Post by: Bob Maxwell on March 27, 2009, 12:54:35 PM
I think your going to get that tighter race this year... 
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Post by: John McGraw on March 27, 2009, 10:50:34 PM
Today in Rochester,

Ithaca 6 RIT 5 [8]
Ithaca 5 RIT 3 [8]

RIT was the selected to finish first in the conference by the league's coaches.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on March 28, 2009, 10:17:03 AM
Pulling Ithaca back to the pack if they get out to a fast start will be pretty tough in a 5-team conference. I continue to be impressed by Stevens' ambitious schedule. But for all their early schedule quality, they weren't an impressive team last year. Maybe they'll be improved this spring. And Utica ... though they manage to play other conference teams tough for at least a couple of games each weekend, they haven't put a scare into anyone except Cazenovia.

I think the best chance for a dog fight in the E8 is for Stevens to upset the established hierarchy of the conference and start to put some hurt on Ithaca, St. John Fisher and RIT.
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Post by: John McGraw on March 31, 2009, 09:48:14 PM
FYI,

I'll be live blogging tomorrow (Tuesday) from SUNY Cortland's Robert H. Wallace Field as #19 SUNY Cortland hosts Route 13 rival Ithaca College in a non-league game. The first pitch, weather permitting, is scheduled for 4:00 pm EDT. The live blog will be available through the front page at D3baseball.com. Blogging coverage begins at 3:45 pm.

If the game is rained out, there's an outside chance that I may head down to Freeman Field on Sunday to catch Ithaca's twin bill with Stevens.
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Post by: WrongArm on April 01, 2009, 08:58:55 AM
John,

I hope you get to see a little of Stevens at Ithaca this weekend. Stevens split with Saint John Fisher over the weekend and you'd have needed the fingers on both hands to count the homeruns. Anyone know the dimensions of the field in Hoboken? On google maps the right field line looks like less than 300 feet. I watched some of the free webcast on empire8.tv -- pretty crappy camera position but way better than silent live stats! The Fisher bullpen had a pretty sad weekend; Stevens came back to win in the third game from an eleven run (I think) deficit.
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Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 01, 2009, 09:04:51 AM
I don't know the field... but there have been some discussions in the past on the boards of the Skyline and CUNY conferences about some fields with ridiculously short fences.  I wonder if the games were played on one of those fields?  Or if the wind was blowing out...  or if the pitching was just off.

Either way, just glad I wasn't pitching... LOL.  At my age, they would have been driving a lot of my 75 MPH fast balls out.  LOL...
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Post by: WrongArm on April 01, 2009, 10:40:01 AM
Bob,
The games were played at the Stevens home field, Dobbelaar Field -- a multipurpose, plastic grass complex. From the less than detailed web broadcast, left and center field look like "normal" distance marked by a temporary fence. Right and right center are marked with a straight permanent fence that looks to be very short down the right field line -- my estimate from a google satellite view (I know, too much time on my hands) looks like less than 300 feet (I was too lazy to try to measure the right center gap). I saw homers hit to all fields, but I think more to right and right center. I'm sure I could match your 75 mph fastball --  I'd just need a strong tailwind :-)
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Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 01, 2009, 12:14:35 PM
LOL.... :D

thanks for the good laguh...

So you know, there is a lot of downward movement on that fastball too!!!  In fact sometimes it even bounces through the strike zone... so I guess I throw a rise ball too!!!  LOL   ;D
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 01, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
No live blog today, the game between Ithaca and cortland was rained out.
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Post by: ECSUalum on April 01, 2009, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 01, 2009, 10:40:01 AM
Bob,
The games were played at the Stevens home field, Dobbelaar Field -- a multipurpose, plastic grass complex. From the less than detailed web broadcast, left and center field look like "normal" distance marked by a temporary fence. Right and right center are marked with a straight permanent fence that looks to be very short down the right field line -- my estimate from a google satellite view (I know, too much time on my hands) looks like less than 300 feet (I was too lazy to try to measure the right center gap). I saw homers hit to all fields, but I think more to right and right center. I'm sure I could match your 75 mph fastball --  I'd just need a strong tailwind :-)

Perhaps you know this web site, maps.live.com, it provides very clear close up birds eye views of any address you type in and in addition you can rotate the view in 4 directions.  Check out Stevens Tech Dobbelaar Field
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Post by: WrongArm on April 02, 2009, 08:50:58 AM
Thanks for the suggestion... I'll try that map site. I see that ECSU hit four dingers against Stevens when they played in Hoboken on March 11.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: ECSUalum on April 02, 2009, 10:22:12 AM
Wrongarm,

Yes, ECSU has a pretty decent offence this year, however against Manhattenville's freshman Levine this week, you would not have seen it. Kid had them so off balance it was frustrating!

Anyway, this birds eye view on maps.live is pretty cool for checking out D3 baseball team facilities, buildings etc, with the rotation option to look at all angles.

Good luck to Ithaca this year, they have had a long tradition of great college baseball, ( gave ECSU all kinds of problems in NCAA regional tourneys in the past), really a great program.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 05, 2009, 08:02:33 AM
With RIT not playing at the level they were "projected" to and the ohter E-8 teams not having been "predicted" to be among the top in the state, it looks like Ithaca has its fate in its own hands.  St John Fisher looks to be the team that will be the big series this year.  Stevens looks better then they did last year, but don't know if they are at that caliber this year...

The leage games just starting so it will be something to watch.  And the weather looks good today so we should get some games in.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 05, 2009, 10:31:08 AM
**LIVE BLOG ALERT**

I'll be live-blogging this afternoon's Empire 8 doubleheader between Ithaca and Stevens. The games will be taking place at Cornell's University's Hoy Field in Ithaca. First pitch is set for 1:00 PM. As long as there is wireless there, the blog will be up at 12:45 PM.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 05, 2009, 08:13:43 PM
Around the E8 today...

Ithaca 9 Stevens 0
Ithaca 3 Stevens 1

St. John Fisher 14 Utica 0
St. John Fisher 6 Utica 5

Some thoughts from today's twin bill between Ithaca and Stevens (other thoughts on the Daily Dose. This is more in-depth.)

*Ithaca should win the Empire 8. They're geared up with their starting rotation of MacDaniel, Fishback, Sapp and Lynch to be very tough in a four-game weekend series. Ithaca's remaining league schedule includes Utica on the road, Fisher at home and two more against Stevens at home in May. That being said, come regional time, I'm not sure how far this team can go with just seven pitchers having seen regular action. The loss of Gardner and Brown really hurts the staff's numbers because there just aren't enough pitchers to make it through a four-to-five day tournament unless you get complete games out of MacDaniel and/or Sapp and Fishback and they can come back later on short rest.

*Matt Streich is the real deal. The transfer from St. Mary's (Md.) is a huge help to the offense. He wasn't overwhelming today but his speed and power were very evident. And he covers a lot of territory in left field. A healthy Kurt Bednarcyk is also a boon to the team with his bat and speed. Ithaca could have really used him last year to help boost the offense.

*I liked what I saw for the most part from Stevens. Spending an entire day at the hotel on Saturday sitting around and then playing on Sunday probably didn't help them. Rasulo is a great little lead-off hitter and has good speed (didn't get a chance to see his power). The middle of the line-up struggled and when it did come to life, the Ducks scored. Ken Meerendonk is a solid two-way player but he needs help in the line-up from Russ Grimes and Tom Phillips if the Ducks are going to score runs.

*Note to Stevens, maroon numbers on black jersey's, not good. Names on the back of the jersey's, not bad.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 07, 2009, 08:49:49 AM
While there's still lots of E8 baseball to go, I wonder if the coaches in the league would like to take back their votes picking RIT ahead of Ithaca. I imagine that poll would have made for some serious motivation hanging on the wall in an Ithaca locker room.

John,
I enjoyed reading your blog from the Cornell field. I watched the Utica/Ithaca games there last year. Before arriving, I took a quick look at the field online and thought the brown areas were clay. I was surprised to find green and brown carpet and no cutouts around the bases. Got my first "northern" sunburn at the Saturday games. As much as I'd prefer grass, with the typically lousy northern spring weather, plastic and rubber rule!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 13, 2009, 09:29:16 AM
After four more E8 wins on Friday and Saturday in Utica, Ithaca has almost disappeared over the horizon. Stevens has turned out to be Ithaca's best friend, putting two losses on Fisher earlier in the season. Fisher will have to take 3 of 4 from Ithaca this weekend just to draw even in the loss column.

Utica came away empty handed on the weekend. Pitchers Chris Pallas and Mike Sadallah in separate games each took Ithaca into the seventh innings tied 1-1 only let the games slip away. Utica's bullpen weakness hurt them, but hats off to the Bombers for closing-out those games. I thought Ithaca's pitching looked a little thin after McDaniel, Sapp and Fishback -- something to watch at tournament time.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 13, 2009, 12:38:34 PM
Lack of pitching depth has been Ithaca's achilles heel come playoff time for a while. Though, with the parity in the region being what it is this year, everyone that goes to Farmingdale I think has a shot at the trip to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: wordsmith on April 13, 2009, 03:23:12 PM
Eye noticed Dylan Perez has not been in the Ith-ah-ker (new England pronunciation :P) Line-up the past several games.

Dylan is a NuHampsha boy from Peterborough. My son played Legion ball with him and I got to coach him ever so briefly early in his Legion career. Nice kid, great family.

He was hitting .393 with a couple of HR. Any ideas. Injuried?

Thanks,

Word 8)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 13, 2009, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: wordsmith on April 13, 2009, 03:23:12 PM
Eye noticed Dylan Perez has not been in the Ith-ah-ker (new England pronunciation :P) Line-up the past several games.

Dylan is a NuHampsha boy from Peterborough. My son played Legion ball with him and I got to coach him ever so briefly early in his Legion career. Nice kid, great family.

He was hitting .393 with a couple of HR. Any ideas. Injuried?

Thanks,

Word 8)


No clue.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Smithers on April 14, 2009, 11:51:25 AM
It's great to see Ithaca doing well. I was worried that we lost to much last year, but Coach V did a great job filling in the gaps. Great pitching by MacDaniel and Sapp. Hopefully they can continue there winning ways and make some noise in the Regionals
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Big Louie on April 14, 2009, 12:09:58 PM
Coach has done a great job, but when is he going to realize 7 arms are not going to win you an eight team regional. They may have had the most talent but with 7 arms they wont come out of a regional
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 14, 2009, 12:11:51 PM
Yeah, I have to admit, I'm real surprised that the team has had the season so far that it's having. A lot was lost to graduation with the great class of '08 that included Raux, Sottung, Smith, Ferguson, Wolf etc etc plus the non-graduation losses of Brown and Ash.

And this season you have a team that's young with no real big superstars though lots of players that can hit the ball well and come up with timely hits.

I think in the end, the Bombers will definitely make some noise in the regionals after getting roughed up by Ohio Wesleyan and Montclair State last year in Auburn. How far they can go depends on their pitching.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 15, 2009, 08:45:59 AM
John, don't forget losing the other drafted pitcher, Gardner. :-)

In the four games against Utica last weekend, McDaniel and Sap looked pretty sharp. I think Fishback will have trouble with patient teams that refuse to chase his slow, off-speed stuff. I'd have liked to see more of freshman reliever Tucker Healy. He closed the 6-2 game but faced only one or two batters. He's got a low arm slot and he threw well. I checked the Ithaca site and saw that he's got 13 K's in 9 innings and the lowest batting average against on the staff. Relievers after Healy were unimpressive. Lynch looked like a sizable step down from McDaniel and Sapp; but to be fair, it was just one 5-inning appearance on a cold and windy day and I was shivering too.

Against tournament competition, I don't think Ithaca has 7 arms to count on.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Big Louie on April 15, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
wrong arm i guess that just proves my point a little bit more, I may have been generous with the 7 arms. They will have McDaniel,Sapp, Fishback, Lynch, Healy and Eggleston who can get them some outs.  That isnt going to win you a regional unless the top 4 guys are lights out and all pitch complete games.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Smithers on April 15, 2009, 09:47:49 AM
As we have seen in the past, Coach V's inability to use his pitching "correctly" has hurt his teams in post-season play (guess he got lucky twice in the 80's).

Its suprising that with Ithaca having a JV team, they are not able to develop more arms to use. Isn't developing players the purpose of having a JV team?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 15, 2009, 10:06:46 AM
The more I question Ithaca's pitching depth, the more I feel like one of the E8 coaches who chose RIT to win the league. This team may make fools of all the doubters.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 15, 2009, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: Smithers on April 15, 2009, 09:47:49 AM
As we have seen in the past, Coach V's inability to use his pitching "correctly" has hurt his teams in post-season play (guess he got lucky twice in the 80's).

Its suprising that with Ithaca having a JV team, they are not able to develop more arms to use. Isn't developing players the purpose of having a JV team?

Keep in mind, had Gardner not been drafted (who knew) and if Brown were still on the roster, you have two more healthy body's right there to add to the pitching give you a strong starting rotation and a lights-out closer.

Quote from: Double Play Dave on April 15, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
wrong arm i guess that just proves my point a little bit more, I may have been generous with the 7 arms. They will have McDaniel,Sapp, Fishback, Lynch, Healy and Eggleston who can get them some outs.  That isnt going to win you a regional unless the top 4 guys are lights out and all pitch complete games.

This still doesn't guarantee a title. This happened in 2007 where Ithaca had it's pitching lined up perfectly (three complete games or something near that if I remember) going into the championship round against cortland and still dropped two straight.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 15, 2009, 08:48:05 PM
Huge confidence win today for Ithaca with an 8-0 shutout of cortland. It snapped an eight-game losing skid against the Dragons and was the Bombers first win over c-state since April 2006.

Hopefully these two meet again down on Long Island.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 15, 2009, 10:44:55 PM
Ithaca wasn't taking any prisoners today. They pitched by committee but they used their best.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 15, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 15, 2009, 10:44:55 PM
Ithaca wasn't taking any prisoners today. They pitched by committee but they used their best.

Well, when you only have seven guys who regularly see mound action, there's not a lot of options.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 16, 2009, 09:23:23 AM
QuoteWell, when you only have seven guys who regularly see mound action, there's not a lot of options.

I see your point.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 16, 2009, 11:20:58 AM
Looks like Ithaca has punched its (Pool B) ticket to Farmingdale unless they fall apart the rest of the way. I do question whether they have enough pitching in a 8 team regional. It looks like they have 4 guys who throw all their innings.

Nice win yesterday against the Red Dragons. When is the last time Cortland has had this many losses at this time of year?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 16, 2009, 11:46:04 AM
2004 is the las time they lost 10 games, finishing at 29-16... they suffered their 9th loss of the year on tax day (17-9), but didn't lost their tenth game until 3 days later on 4/18.   This year they are  18-10 on tax day. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 16, 2009, 12:52:57 PM
IMO the 2004 team was better though the class of upstate that year was Brockport, Ithaca and clarkson. That was the last year of the four-team, New York only regional (Brockport, Ithaca, RPI and cortland).

Anyways, the '04 team struggled but look at its' non-conference schedule in Florida, very aggressive (included D-I Maine). The team got on a roll once it got home but throughout the year you could tell that this wasn't the typical steamroller people had come to expect with non-characteristic losses to Oneonta (I still remember that rainy day at Wallace Field and the huge thunderstorm that knocked out press box power), Rochester, St. John Fisher. Still, the team went 20-3 once it got back from the Florida swing.

And things just came undone at the end and the team couldn't buy a hit and really missed Travis Robinson who was hitting .520 in Florida when he got knocked out for the season. Overall the offensive numbers were good but come crunch time, the heart of the line-up went downhill. The middle of the order became a black hole and no one really hit the ball.

Pitching wise, there's similar bullpen problems though the '04 starters with Burnett, Hubbs and Miller were by far better IMO than Tone, Blanco, Assman, Ratliff etc etc.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 18, 2009, 07:31:57 PM
Ithaca splits this afternoon with Fisher at Freeman Field.

Game 1 - Ithaca 5-3
Game - Fisher 7-3

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 18, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
E8 basement update:
After having been picked to win the E8, RIT has fallen off the map. They had a tough week with 4 weekday games sandwiched between sets of Sat/Sun double headers. With losses to Rochester and two to Brockport, the Friday win against Oneonta was probably a small consolation. Today they came perilously close to getting swept at Utica. Utica won the first game 7-6. RIT won the second 3-2.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2009, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 18, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
E8 basement update:
After having been picked to win the E8, RIT has fallen off the map. They had a tough week with 4 weekday games sandwiched between sets of Sat/Sun double headers. With losses to Rochester and two to Brockport, the Friday win against Oneonta was probably a small consolation. Today they came perilously close to getting swept at Utica. Utica won the first game 7-6. RIT won the second 3-2.

Jeez, I wonder how many people want their votes back now? That being said, judging what Ithaca lost from last year, it wasn't that much of a surprise in the pre-season to see another team selected to win the league.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 23, 2009, 07:58:48 PM
Ithaca 15 Rochester 9

The Bombers scored seven runs in the eighth inning to erase a 9-7 Rochester lead. The big news though is freshman Ian Rebhan (first appearance, probably a JV call-up) earning his first victory with four innings of relief.

Pete MacDaniel didn't pitch terribly well (7 earned runs, 4 innings) though he's been solid all year so I don't take too much of it.

The heart of the line-up was strong as Dylan Perez and Kurt Bendarcyk each had four hits, scored three runs and drove in two. David Ahonen plated three and Matt Streich had three hits.

Ithaca plays at Oswego tomorrow and then at Brockport Sunday, Oneonta Monday and Wednesday and St. Lawrence at home on Tuesday. It's a nice healthy stretch of games, weather permitting and may be why a couple of freshmen pitchers have been added to the roster - Rebhan and Jackson Quinn.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 24, 2009, 10:59:11 AM
What happened to RIT?   did they read their press clippings and not work at it?  Or was everyone just wrong when they put them on top?   Any insigths on what happened...
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 24, 2009, 11:19:55 AM
I don't really follow RIT enough to know certain specifics.

They had a really rough spring trip with just three wins down in Arizona and then they couldn't get past Ithaca on the opening weekend of conference play. I'd guess that's a pretty big emotional letdown to drop three of four to a team who was picked to finish behind you.

Numbers wise, the offense is down a little. Last year's team hit around .320, this year they're hitting .291. RIT lost a couple of their top hitters from last year, one of which, Matt George, had 23 stolen bases. Looks like last year when RIT's pitching was poor they were able to just outhit and outscore teams and they haven't done that this year.

That and Geoff Dornes hasn't been very good this year - at least comparing his numbers to last year. I'd say at this point he's got an outside shot at first team all-league but definitely not a third Player of the Year award.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 26, 2009, 07:21:27 PM
Brockport 4 Ithaca 3

Ithaca commits six errors and squanders a complete game from Tom Fishback who gave up only three hits and one earned run. The Bombers also lost a one-run lead in the final three innings on just one Brockport hit.

The loss isn't particularly bad but for a team that's a likely Pool B selection into the national playoffs, they'll want to straighten out the defense before mid-May.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 27, 2009, 11:28:38 AM
Brockport scored the winning run on a HBP... and the guy who scored the run also was HBP, followed by a reach on an error, sac bunt, intentional walk.   
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 27, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: Bob Maxwell on April 27, 2009, 11:28:38 AM
Brockport scored the winning run on a HBP... and the guy who scored the run also was HBP, followed by a reach on an error, sac bunt, intentional walk.   


Ugh. Just reading that makes me queasy.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 28, 2009, 09:32:31 AM
Ithaca may have locked-up the E8, but the rest of the league is fighting over the crumbs. RIT woke up and took three of four from Fisher. No one challenged Ithaca this year, but the biggest difference in conference records has been the spoiler roles of improved Stevens and Utica teams. Stevens split with Fisher and Utica split with RIT.

Maybe Ithaca can use up their ugly games now and stay sharp for the regional tournament. Overall they've been steady defensively and balanced on offense. I'd be concerned that they really haven't faced much tough pitching in their conference games.

Utica was originally scheduled to  play Cazenovia on Wednesday, but that game was cancelled and replaced with a game with Cortland -- not exactly an equal swap. With a pitching staff that brings new meaning to the word "thin," Utica had better use their best guys, even if by committee, or the trip will be a shameful waste of diesel fuel.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 10, 2009, 01:13:43 PM
Good win for Ithaca on Saturday afternoon against probable Pool C entry Montclair State. Both teams are vastly different from their regionals squads last year but the Bombers were able to exact a little revenge with a 4-3 victory.

They're playing Montclair this afternoon to close out the regular season. Another win would give them nice momentum heading into the the regional next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on May 10, 2009, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 28, 2009, 09:32:31 AM
With a pitching staff that brings new meaning to the word "thin," Utica had better use their best guys, even if by committee, or the trip will be a shameful waste of diesel fuel.

UC is woeful! IMO, They need to bring in some Junior College guys to fill in the pitching staff and maybe a couple 3-4 more experienced JC hitters! No disrespect but when you have young guys getting their heads beat in week after week, they start not caring pretty quick!
I think the JC route would provide the coaches(who know the game) an opportunity to be selective in who they recruit and get guys who are the best fit instead of guys who just want to be on a college baseball team!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 16, 2009, 01:09:22 AM
Quote from: scuba16 on May 10, 2009, 04:27:39 PM
I think the JC route would provide the coaches(who know the game) an opportunity to be selective in who they recruit and get guys who are the best fit instead of guys who just want to be on a college baseball team!

With only 5 wins, UC has obviously got some holes to fill. A few juco arms would go a long way to making them more consistently competitive. I hope they can shore up the pitching. This is a tough job for a young coach who's only been out of school a few years. At least he had a couple of outstanding assistants this season.

I saw on the Liberty League thread that Ithaca and RIT might leave the E8 after next season. It's not April 1 today, is it? If this is true, anyone know where RIT is headed? Ithaca in the Liberty League?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 16, 2009, 12:14:31 PM
Ithaca, RIT and Nazareth are purported to be joining the Liberty League for the 2010-2011 school year.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 17, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
Thanks John. When a few teams change conferences, the dominos continue to fall for quite awhile. What do you think the chances are that a few baseball-playing schools will look to join the E8?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on June 13, 2009, 10:45:53 AM
UC athletic director announces the hiring of a new head coach.

http://www.wktv.com/news/sports/local/47960472.html (http://www.wktv.com/news/sports/local/47960472.html)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on June 13, 2009, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: WrongArm on May 17, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
Thanks John. When a few teams change conferences, the dominos continue to fall for quite awhile. What do you think the chances are that a few baseball-playing schools will look to join the E8?

I'm not sure. Obviously the loss of RIT in the future drops the league to a small handful of teams, smaller than now. One would think the conference wants the entire package - teams for all sports. I still think in the future that teams in northeastern Pennsylvania would be a good fit like King's, Lycoming and possibly Wilkes. But, the rumor that those first two would bolt to the E8 has been around forever and those two are still in the MAC.

Aside from them, not a lot of options unless you want to start looking at the Keuka's and Cazenovia's of the world (no offense to them but I don't see those schools bringing anything unique to the conference or being able to compete.)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on September 02, 2009, 05:18:53 PM
UC's new head baseball coach, Andy Weimer, currently sports a stingy 2.05 ERA for the Bridgeport Bluefish in the Atlantic League. Bet he'll toss some killer BP this fall!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Smithers on September 28, 2009, 03:32:59 PM
any truth to the rumors about coach pepicelli landing a new job in south carolina?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: lordcharles on October 01, 2009, 11:23:50 PM
according to news on web, he is taking a job as pitching coach at Clemson.

Nice guy - met him while son had official visit -he should do well!

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20091001/SPORTS/91001006/1004/NEWS01

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on October 02, 2009, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: lordcharles on October 01, 2009, 11:23:50 PM
according to news on web, he is taking a job as pitching coach at Clemson.

Nice guy - met him while son had official visit -he should do well!

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20091001/SPORTS/91001006/1004/NEWS01



Jeez, not a bad step up going from the Empire 8 to the ACC.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on March 11, 2010, 11:09:58 AM
Stevens beats ECSU 10-8. Nice win for the Ducks.

Its time for the E8 to get them to play on a real baseball field instead on that matchbox size field. 6 dingers in a nine inning game.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on March 15, 2010, 07:42:41 PM
Looks like it could be a long year for the Bombers losing game 2 of their trip 16-4 to Rutgers Newark.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on March 17, 2010, 08:16:19 AM
Bombers 0-3 scoring 5 runs in 3 games.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 17, 2010, 03:03:34 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on March 17, 2010, 08:16:19 AM
Bombers 0-3 scoring 5 runs in 3 games.

No time to worry yet. Two of the first three opponents were Redlands (probably should be ranked) and nationally-ranked Chapman. The loss to Rutgers-Newark is certainly bothersome but it's really early yet and there is a lot of baseball left to be played. Also, remember this is a team replacing its' 1-2-3 hitters in the line-up.

The 2005 team went 2-7 in California but it eventually finished 25-15-2 and made the championship game of the regional in Auburn. A few years ago, the Bombers were 3-6 in California and ended up 30-13.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on March 17, 2010, 09:12:28 PM
John,
Thanks for the great info.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 18, 2010, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on March 17, 2010, 09:12:28 PM
John,
Thanks for the great info.

Wednesday's result, while a loss, was much better. No shame in dropping a one-run game at Chapman when you're playing your fourth game of the season. From glancing at the box scores, it looks like Coach Val has used a different top of the line-up in each game, mixing and matching to try and find the right combination.

From what I can guess so far, the catching position is still up for grabs with Armstrong, HVCC transfer Sean Weber and freshmen Kevin Primm all having seen time. TC3 transfer Jarred Surrine looks like he's stepped into a starting middle infield spot at second base. Shortstop, like catcher, is still in question. Ahonen has seen a few games at short with a mix of others also playing there.

Again, like I said, it's still early. Pomona-Pitzer won't be a cakewalk on Friday morning but I think CMS is a winnable game in the afternoon. The schedule back home is what it is though I think the addition of roadies with Salisbury and Mary Washington is solid. Plus, while it won't count, the Mayor's Cup game with Cornell always provides an interesting match-up.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on March 18, 2010, 02:41:23 PM
John,
With only 4 B Pool bids, and the loses piling up, it could be tough for them to get in if they don't turn it around quickly no matter who you play. I think it's great to play a tough schedule like Cortland and RPI has done, but if you don't win some of those games its not going to matter when all is said and done. Do you agree?

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 19, 2010, 11:27:33 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on March 18, 2010, 02:41:23 PM
John,
With only 4 B Pool bids, and the loses piling up, it could be tough for them to get in if they don't turn it around quickly no matter who you play. I think it's great to play a tough schedule like Cortland and RPI has done, but if you don't win some of those games its not going to matter when all is said and done. Do you agree?



Like I said, it has happened before where the spring trip to California hasn't gone as planned and the team has bounced back upon its' return to New York. And I still believe it will happen again regardless of the final record at the end of the week.

It will certainly be tougher to get into the field with just four Pool B bids available but that's life in a Pool B league. All the B teams know what has to be done coming into the season because you're not guaranteed a spot in the tournament. That said, with the departure of RIT at the end of the year, I'd like to see Ithaca possibly look to another league as an affiliate member or to have the Empire 8 reach out to some others as possible affiliates. The number of B teams and B bids is only going to get smaller. There wouldn't be a problem if the rest of the teams in the conference played baseball because then you would still have four of the current five plus Alfred, Elmira, Nazareth and Hartwick as opposed to just Ithaca, Fisher, Stevens and Utica.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on March 19, 2010, 08:31:16 PM
Ithaca drops 2 more today 0-6. They better go 22-6 up north to even think about a bid.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 02, 2010, 05:00:03 PM
Ithaca hammers Stevens, 7-1, in the series opener at Stevens. Game two to follow later tonight.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 02, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 02, 2010, 05:00:03 PM
Ithaca hammers Stevens, 7-1, in the series opener at Stevens. Game two to follow later tonight.

Ithaca won the night cap, 4-0, behind six strong innings from Tucker Healy. Good start to the conference season.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 10, 2010, 03:10:01 PM
Andrew Dexter throws a 2 hitter for Utica College against Ithaca in the first game this afternoon. UC wins 2-0. With losses to Stevens and Utica, Ithaca's stranglehold on the E8 may be slipping.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 10, 2010, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 10, 2010, 03:10:01 PM
Andrew Dexter throws a 2 hitter for Utica College against Ithaca in the first game this afternoon. UC wins 2-0. With losses to Stevens and Utica, Ithaca's stranglehold on the E8 may be slipping.
You are not serious are you??? IC lost to UC??? WOW
How far have the Bombers fallen??
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ron Ron on April 10, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
With Ithaca now 7-11, and some decent teams to play in the future (Cortland, Rochester, RIT, Clarkson), do they have any realistic chance of getting an at-large bid?  The E-8 has no guaranteed bids right, so is there a possibility zero teams from the E-8 make it?  Is there any possibility a league like the LL or SUNYAC could see 3 teams make it since the E-8 seems to be real down this year?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 11, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
Quote from: Ron Ron on April 10, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
With Ithaca now 7-11, and some decent teams to play in the future (Cortland, Rochester, RIT, Clarkson), do they have any realistic chance of getting an at-large bid?  The E-8 has no guaranteed bids right, so is there a possibility zero teams from the E-8 make it?  Is there any possibility a league like the LL or SUNYAC could see 3 teams make it since the E-8 seems to be real down this year?

Could be a serious possibility for a conference with five teams. Keep in mind that the committee will be looking more at Ithaca/St. John Fisher's regional record than their overall record. So, all of those games lost in California for Ithaca won't in theory be held against them come tournament discussion time.

That said, an Ithaca team that's still below .500 at this time of the season (towards mid-April) and drops a conference game to Utica doesn't seem like an NCAA tournament team right now. I'm frankly shocked. No disrespect to Utica whatsoever, Coach Weimer has been in baseball for some time but Ithaca should not lose to Utica, period. That said, Ithaca comes back to sweep tomorrow and taking three out of four isn't that awful.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 11, 2010, 01:50:32 AM
There's nothing really wrong with UC that a few quality arms wouldn't fix. (OK, maybe more than a few) The era's of their starters is so high it makes me queasy. Dexter carried an era of 10 into the game today, but he pitched his ass off -- staying ahead and hitting his spots. Ithaca had only two hits, but that doesn't mean they didn't hit the ball. The UC defense was solid too.

I wouldn't be too shocked by one game. Three years of graduate assistant head coaches have helped UC play well below their potential. On a day where a pitcher gets hot and some bats go cold, anything can happen.

With regard to coach Weimer... it's hard to underestimate the value to a team of a coach who demands and gets discipline and focus. I don't know if UC's record will improve much this year, but it does make them more dangerous.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 11, 2010, 09:40:25 AM
If I remember correctly, Ithaca's last loss to Utica was in 2003 or 2004.

Weimer is a huge asset to the Utica program. Here's a guy that was a stud at Division I LeMoyne in Syracuse and then played pro ball for six-seven years between the minor and independent leagues. If he sticks around, he could at least get the Utica program back to respectability.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 11, 2010, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 11, 2010, 09:40:25 AM
If I remember correctly, Ithaca's last loss to Utica was in 2003 or 2004. 

I'm reminded of the standard investment company disclaimer, "Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results."
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 19, 2010, 09:13:47 PM
What the heck is Ithaca doing canceling the RIT weekend? The weather wasn't that bad and other teams played around them. What are they just trying to wiggle their way back in by playing everyone like Rochester after they had to play a 4 game weekend league. Thats total crap.

Play like everyone else.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 19, 2010, 09:30:15 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 19, 2010, 09:13:47 PM
What the heck is Ithaca doing canceling the RIT weekend? The weather wasn't that bad and other teams played around them. What are they just trying to wiggle their way back in by playing everyone like Rochester after they had to play a 4 game weekend league. Thats total crap.

Play like everyone else.

Seriously? The weather on Friday and Saturday was atrocious with rain and light snow getting dumped on everyone. I don't think anyone at Ithaca or RIT anticipated it being nice on Sunday and so the series was pushed back until early May. Was the weather nice Sunday? Sure but hindsight is 20/20 and it would've been a waste for RIT to drive down to Ithaca only to have to drive home if the weather remained crummy like it was throughout Saturday. IMO, it was just easier to push all four games back until May when there was an open weekend and chances are, the weather then will be nicer. This happens all the time.

I honestly and sincerely doubt that playing Rochester on Tuesday had anything to do with postponing the RIT games. That's just silliness on your part and you're reading waaaay too much into it.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 20, 2010, 06:58:54 AM
John you may be right, but Ithaca's only way into the tournament is beating the very few good NY teams it plays. Beating Rochester can only help them. Yes beating RIT are nice wins, but RIT is onlt a fair team in NY.  I just know that Ithaca will also tell you that their league means nothing to them. Its their non-league games that get them into the tourney.

Just my thoughts.....
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 21, 2010, 08:42:39 AM
As you can see Ithaca went after Rochester full tilt with all their starters and still came up short. Rochester pitched their relievers and still beat the Bombers. This should take care of Ithaca's playoff chances. They just do not have it this year and should not be rewarded with a playoff ticket.  I know its early still but I just don't see it this year.


Just my thoughts......
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 21, 2010, 10:21:30 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 21, 2010, 08:42:39 AM
As you can see Ithaca went after Rochester full tilt with all their starters and still came up short. Rochester pitched their relievers and still beat the Bombers. This should take care of Ithaca's playoff chances. They just do not have it this year and should not be rewarded with a playoff ticket.  I know its early still but I just don't see it this year.


Just my thoughts......

Rochester won the game, quit crying about Ithaca lining up its' starters. Good gracious.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 21, 2010, 11:06:14 AM
Fishback is clearly Ithaca's number one and at 43 innings has pitched twice as often as the other starters who all hover in the low/mid twenties. They're going to throw him as often as possible and the stats confirm this.

I don't think canceling the RIT games changed Ithaca's Wednesday pitching against Rochester at all. Earlier in the year, Fishback pitched against Stevens on Saturday and came back on three days rest to throw against Oneonta for a Wednesday game. No schedule adjustments were necessary to have him available to pitch against Rochester.

Pitching aside, Ithaca really has to improve its offensive production against good teams. Rochester out hit them 16 to 6.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: scuba16 on April 21, 2010, 08:33:18 PM
Currently at 11-12, IC would need a miracle to make the NY region this yr. No way with that type of a record and no AQ, Pool A bid available... its nearly impossible! They would need to go 16-0, 15-1, 14-2  finish at 27-12, 26-13 or 25-14 and also beat Cortland to have a shot!
Love Coach Val but making the regional this yr would be a miracle!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 21, 2010, 09:17:11 PM
All Ithaca seems to ever have to do to get in is finish with an above average .500 record.  Not sure if the NCAA can sneak them in this year.  Their regional appearances haven't been too good the past few years.  Besides, St. John Fisher is probably the better club anyway right now at 20-9 and we should be considering them for the pool B bid.  They have a regional win against U of R and are playing well right now.  I think they have a great shot to get the series this weekend and if they do it will be tough to keep them out of the pool B discussion. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 22, 2010, 10:28:42 AM
I would say that even if St John Fisher splits with Ithaca, that would get them in the discussion and end Ithaca's.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 22, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
There are only 4 POOL B berths this year. Last year there were 6. So no sneaking in this year. In future years this number will drop maybe to 2....
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: BaseB13 on April 22, 2010, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 22, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
There are only 4 POOL B berths this year. Last year there were 6. So no sneaking in this year. In future years this number will drop maybe to 2....

Initially I thought the same thing.  After looking at the independent schools (Im assuming conferences with less than 7 teams or not in a conference), there are very few Pool B teams out there with solid records.  I think SJFC has a legitimate shot at a bid right now.  Coupld GSAC (i think)  teams that have all won 25 games or so.  And Chapman will get a Pool B bid.  I think if Ithaca only lost 1 or 2 games the rest of the way they'd still be considered given the weak field.  SJFC would have to lose a bunch for that to happen also.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 22, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
A list of all 2010 Pool B teams are in this publication.

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/baseball/2010/10_3_baseball.pdf
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 24, 2010, 09:36:18 PM
Fisher and Ithaca split.  Good split on the road for the Bombers.  Fishback gives a nice outing in game two to get a road win.  Should be a good DH tomorrow.  Fisher has caught up to Ithaca on the talent side, both teams played good ball.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 25, 2010, 04:12:34 PM
Does anyone know when the IC/SJFC DH will be made up? I thought the rain might keep the games from being played today. I was happy to see Fisher was able to pull a win out yesterday against an always tough IC team.

It would be a big deal for the Fisher program if they were able to finally beat IC and win the league. I know RIT is still out there, but you get what I am saying.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 28, 2010, 08:39:48 PM
Another good win for Fisher today, beating a good U of R team, for the second time this year, 10-2. Fisher is now 22-10, and has been impressive under their new coach. Hopefully he can recruit as well as he can coach.   
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 28, 2010, 10:56:36 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 28, 2010, 08:39:48 PM
Another good win for Fisher today, beating a good U of R team, for the second time this year, 10-2. Fisher is now 22-10, and has been impressive under their new coach. Hopefully he can recruit as well as he can coach.   

He's worked at a few other schools before and has coached I believe six or seven drafted kids. I think he'll do alright at Fisher.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 29, 2010, 10:31:50 AM
St John Fisher now holds a possible Pool B berth for the Empire 8. Ithaca should be out of the discussion.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2010, 10:42:04 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 29, 2010, 10:31:50 AM
St John Fisher now holds a possible Pool B berth for the Empire 8. Ithaca should be out of the discussion.

11-4 in region still gets them in the discussion. Like it or not, that is how the system works. While St. John Fisher is certainly the favorite now, Ithaca still has a chance given its' regional record.

I'm sorry you hate Ithaca so much (and have consistently made snide comments about the school and baseball program over the last few years) but it's not over yet.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 29, 2010, 12:14:47 PM
Ithaca's "backloaded" schedule doesn't help them much right now in any discussion. 8 of their 11 wins came from sets of 3 wins against Stevens and Utica and single wins over Cazenovia and New Paltz. (Sporting the "mysterious" SOS of 236, worst in the E8) To borrow John's phrase from an earlier post, I mean no disrespect to any of those teams, but that's not exactly a murderers row of opponents.

With upcoming games against Brockport, Cortland, Clarkson, St. John Fisher (2 games) and RIT(4 games) over a 10 day period, they'll have a chance to make a statement after their disappointing but brutal spring trip. I'm not counting them out yet either, but that's a lot to accomplish in not very much time.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2010, 12:28:01 PM
Beating St. Lawrence yesterday was a good start. Hopefully the momentum will carry over to today's game with O-State at Freeman Field. I may stop by the Bank next week to check out the Clarkson game.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 29, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
I am new to the d3 baseball talk but if IC wins the next two against fisher does that put them in a much better position for a pool b, since they would have won the league?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: RSSmith on April 29, 2010, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 29, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
I am new to the d3 baseball talk but if IC wins the next two against fisher does that put them in a much better position for a pool b, since they would have won the league?

It puts them in a better position, not because they won the league, but because they have two more in-region wins.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2010, 03:56:04 PM
Right. The winner of the league isn't guaranteed anything because the Empire 8 is not an automatic bid league. In the past, Ithaca made it to the NCAA tournament but as an at-large in the Pool B field and not because they were league champion.

That said, the Empire 8 champion has never missed the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 29, 2010, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 29, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
I am new to the d3 baseball talk but if IC wins the next two against fisher does that put them in a much better position for a pool b, since they would have won the league?

If I'm reading the schedule correctly, two wins against Fisher won't assure Ithaca a league championship. They will still have 4 games against RIT --  and Fisher, weather permitting, will have finished their E8 schedule with 4 games at Utica. Still six E8 games for each to play.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 30, 2010, 10:44:15 AM
Fisher drops a tight one at Cortland 7-6.  Appears that Fisher bullpens the game somewhat, gets beat on a ground rule double that hops over the fence and is called a homerun.  Pretty much par for the course for some of the men in blue who work college ball.  Good game though, Cortland may have won anyway, this was the go ahead run to take it to 7-6.  Fisher hosed a bit in region rankings, sweep Rochester and listed below them??  Interesting.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 01, 2010, 12:58:26 PM
I was at the Fisher Cortland game on Thursday. It was a good game to watch. From where I was sitting I could not see if the "homerun" was actually over the fence, or if it bounced over. The Fisher players seemed to think it was a ground rule double, but I don't think anyone really knew for sure. The outfielders didn't react too much to the call, so I guess I will assume it was over the fence.

Fisher had some chances, but a few plays killed them. First, the home run talked about above came in an inning where Fisher got the first two outs pretty easily, before giving up a base hit and a home run. The home run Cortland hit that it looked like the Fisher left fielder had, and it may have come out of his glove when he hit the fence. It was not an easy play, or even one you would think a player could make, but if the ball stays in his glove that is a game changer for sure. Especially since Fisher was up one at the time. The biggest play in my mind was the error in the 7th. The lead off hitter for Cortland hits a high pop in the trianle between first second and the pitcher. For some reason, none of those three went after the ball, and the shortstop came all the way across the infield to try and make the catch, before booting it. I know if the shortstop calls the ball it is his, and you don't want your pitcher to be running off the mound, but that ball has to be caught. The end result was a runner on second with no outs. Turned out to be the 7th run for Cortland. That one hurt.

All in all I was impressed with Fisher. Hopefully they can play well this weekend and take at least 3 from Utica.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Truthfinder on May 01, 2010, 04:21:45 PM
At this point, I think Fisher is ahead of any SUNYAC team except Cortland. I think Pool B is a lock.

An NCAA field without Ithaca or RPI ... would many people have thought that was possible going into 2010?

In hindsight, maybe. But I doubt it.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 01, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
No way I would have guessed that Ithaca and RPI would not be in. Fisher was able to take two against Utica today. Big for them. Hopefully (for me) they can do the same tomorrow, and make that much more of a statement for a pool B.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 02, 2010, 06:02:13 PM
Another couple of wins for Fisher today against Utica. Sets up a big couple of games against Ithaca on Wednesday.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 02, 2010, 08:57:27 PM
St. john fisher a legit 26-11.  Took care of business on the road with a sweep of Utica.  They look like a solid pool B rep. and could do some damage in the regional with their good pitching numbers.  Personally, i think they are the 2nd best team in the region right now, but still has to take care of business against Ithaca in another DH.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: reddragon00 on May 03, 2010, 08:26:45 AM
I agree...Fisher is Legit.  Should have beaten Cortland!  Bad call by umpire on the homerun.  THey have to sweep Ithaca.  If IThaca takes 2, they are in trouble.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 04, 2010, 07:33:57 PM
A friend of mine said he saw the replay of the questionable homerun Cortland hit against Fisher, and said the replay clearly showed the ball hit in play and bounced over the fence. Not much you can do about it now.

Fisher got another win today against Medaille, 16-3. Fisher up to 27-11. Looking good for a pool B, if they can get a split with Ithaca. If Fisher can split with IC, then IC would have to sweep 4 against RIT to get a tie in the league. IC can do it for sure, but that is a good position for Fisher to be in. Any chance Fisher throws another game on the schedule to see if they can get to 30 wins?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 04, 2010, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 04, 2010, 07:33:57 PM
A friend of mine said he saw the replay of the questionable homerun Cortland hit against Fisher, and said the replay clearly showed the ball hit in play and bounced over the fence. Not much you can do about it now.

Fisher got another win today against Medaille, 16-3. Fisher up to 27-11. Looking good for a pool B, if they can get a split with Ithaca. If Fisher can split with IC, then IC would have to sweep 4 against RIT to get a tie in the league. IC can do it for sure, but that is a good position for Fisher to be in. Any chance Fisher throws another game on the schedule to see if they can get to 30 wins?

Really hard to tell from the shot on TV if the ball was over or not. It certainly bounced high in the air after it hit the ground.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Truthfinder on May 04, 2010, 09:02:24 PM
Pack your bags, Fisher. You've got to be in.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 04, 2010, 10:19:52 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 04, 2010, 09:02:24 PM
Pack your bags, Fisher. You've got to be in.

Just don't start putting the bats back into the equipment bag tomorrow until the second game against IC is over.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 05, 2010, 11:03:04 AM
Remember that the always thrilling ECAC tournament could come into play for a Fisher team to get over the 30 win mark.  They need to hold serve today and at least split, then they probably host the ECAC's.  That tournament is typically an all Rochester thing anyway, the Liberty League teams can't play because of conference tournaments, so usually it is Fisher, RIT, Brockport (maybe Ithaca this year??)  to try and get those last couple of wins to sneak in the NCAA.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2010, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 05, 2010, 11:03:04 AM
Remember that the always thrilling ECAC tournament could come into play for a Fisher team to get over the 30 win mark.  They need to hold serve today and at least split, then they probably host the ECAC's.  That tournament is typically an all Rochester thing anyway, the Liberty League teams can't play because of conference tournaments, so usually it is Fisher, RIT, Brockport (maybe Ithaca this year??)  to try and get those last couple of wins to sneak in the NCAA.

Ithaca closes out the season with two at home against Montclair State.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: RSSmith on May 05, 2010, 03:12:58 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 05, 2010, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 05, 2010, 11:03:04 AM
Remember that the always thrilling ECAC tournament could come into play for a Fisher team to get over the 30 win mark.  They need to hold serve today and at least split, then they probably host the ECAC's.  That tournament is typically an all Rochester thing anyway, the Liberty League teams can't play because of conference tournaments, so usually it is Fisher, RIT, Brockport (maybe Ithaca this year??)  to try and get those last couple of wins to sneak in the NCAA.

Ithaca closes out the season with two at home against Montclair State.

Montclair St. is 19-16 with a .602 OWP.  A sweep by Ithaca would go a long ways toward a Pool B bid.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on May 05, 2010, 07:17:55 PM
With the split today Ithaca should be knocked out of the tourney. Come on!!! 16-15. If there is a Pool B from NY it has to be St John Fisher. Stick a fork in Ithaca. They might not even finish at .500 if they split with RIT. Would that be a first in Bomberland?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 05, 2010, 07:52:14 PM
Fisher did themselves a big favor today getting a win. Now they are guaranteed at least a tie in the league, and that is only if IC can win 4 straight against RIT. If any team could do it, IC would, but it is not an easy task.

I feel like Fisher has as strong a case as any for a pool B out of NY, but you never know. I just hope it is enough. Is the regional still in Auburn if Ithaca does not host? I always thought it was odd that they would host a tournament about an hour away from home, but I guess the facility as a lot to do with that.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: theguru25 on May 05, 2010, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 05, 2010, 11:03:04 AM
Remember that the always thrilling ECAC tournament could come into play for a Fisher team to get over the 30 win mark.  They need to hold serve today and at least split, then they probably host the ECAC's.  That tournament is typically an all Rochester thing anyway, the Liberty League teams can't play because of conference tournaments, so usually it is Fisher, RIT, Brockport (maybe Ithaca this year??)  to try and get those last couple of wins to sneak in the NCAA.

The ECAC tournament is cancelled this year. At the beginning of the season, only Fisher, Oswego, Brockport, and RIT declared to play in it (if they were not in regionals). Oswego pulled out of the ECAC tournament, RIT most likely will not be above .500 with the rest of their schedule, so it would have just been SJFC and Brockport. Plus it looks as though Fisher will be headed to regionals after a great regular season
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 07, 2010, 11:56:17 AM
Thanks for the info. Guru.  that tournament has been useless anyway, most of the teams in the region could care less about it and some can't play in it. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 08, 2010, 09:59:10 AM
Couldn't agree more airball, but at this point I would love to see the tournament so Fisher could try and sneak another win or two.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 08, 2010, 05:33:36 PM
Game 1
Ithaca 5 RIT 4


Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 08, 2010, 09:32:24 PM
Game two:

Ithaca 6
RIT 4.

Come on RIT, just win one for me.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 08, 2010, 11:34:21 PM
RIT is just good enough to hang around but not good enough to beat really good teams.  With that said, i am sure the Cardinals are still a bit upset with splitting with them early in the season.  I don't like RIT's chances at all on day two with their lack of pitching... Ithaca has held back their best arms for day two.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 12, 2010, 06:33:30 PM
Congrats to Fisher for winning the E8 for the first time in school history. Is this the first time a team not named Ithaca has won the league?

I am hoping for a pool B when the tournament is announced.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 16, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Does anyone know when the NCAA will announce the teams that are in the tournament? According to the SJFC webpage, it will be announced "late Sunday night" (?)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: OshDude on May 16, 2010, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 16, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Does anyone know when the NCAA will announce the teams that are in the tournament? According to the SJFC webpage, it will be announced "late Sunday night" (?)
Probably closer to very early Monday morning.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on December 17, 2010, 12:10:43 PM
Rumor has it Fisher has had a couple of transfers that will affect the shape of their 2011 team.  Star infielder Teagen Barresi transferred to rival Ithaca for his senior year? Pretty unusual time to be switching schools.....

On the incoming side, a hard throwing lefty freshmen pitcher transferred in from Niagara after deciding that D1 program was not the place him to be? 

Can anyone confirm?  Any other E8 info out there?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on December 18, 2010, 10:41:51 AM
Quote from: baseballislife on December 17, 2010, 12:10:43 PM
Rumor has it Fisher has had a couple of transfers that will affect the shape of their 2011 team.  Star infielder Teagen Barresi transferred to rival Ithaca for his senior year? Pretty unusual time to be switching schools.....

On the incoming side, a hard throwing lefty freshmen pitcher transferred in from Niagara after deciding that D1 program was not the place him to be? 

Can anyone confirm?  Any other E8 info out there?

We won't see rosters until February so we may have to wait until then. Barresi was a sophomore last season so he has two years remaining of eligibility.

As with Division III baseball, sometimes you have to wait until the opening game to find out who's on the roster.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on December 18, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Thanks for correction on Barresi.  Yeah, I realize it will be a couple more months before all the rosters are up, I was just looking more for unofficial word that may be out there on player movement, new prospects, etc.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: reddragon00 on January 13, 2011, 11:11:49 AM
I heard the same rumors and can confirm that Fisher got a pretty good lefty that left NU to be with his girlfriend at Fisher :D....Heck of a reason to leave a D I scholarship but we have all been there.  It will interesting how this team shapes up.  They also lost a hitting coach/3rd base coach who was dynamite.  He and the new head coach did not get a long.  Should be interesting but it will no doubt make that 4 game set with Ithaca that much more interesting.  GONNA BE AT THOSE GAMES!!!
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Post by: airball55 on January 24, 2011, 09:13:40 PM
Who is the amazing third base/hitting coach??
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Post by: reddragon00 on January 31, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
airball55...he was an old HS coach from the Rochester area...was very good teacher and did a heck of a job with some of those kids.  took OK kids and made them good hitters....they had a lot of OK kids.  Anyone know who Oneonta's transfers are??   people say they are the real deal.  Could unseat Cortland...
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Post by: John McGraw on January 31, 2011, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: reddragon00 on January 31, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
airball55...he was an old HS coach from the Rochester area...was very good teacher and did a heck of a job with some of those kids.  took OK kids and made them good hitters....they had a lot of OK kids.  Anyone know who Oneonta's transfers are??   people say they are the real deal.  Could unseat Cortland...

They'll be mentioned in the New York region preview for D3baseball.com.
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Post by: airball55 on January 31, 2011, 08:36:09 PM
Thanks Dragon man, I went on to their site and saw who the assistants were last year.  This guy must not have been listed... probably a volunteer.  I am sure the current head man will do just fine, he seemed to do so last year with the same kids who were 22-17 the year before.  Oneonta over Cortland??  That would be something different.  There are a lot of good players in the region right now, should be a good season.
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Post by: Tarheel0550 on February 07, 2011, 12:35:35 PM
anyone know when new york region preview is coming out ?
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Post by: sjfcards on February 27, 2011, 10:11:30 PM
Fisher started their season off on the right foot, with a 14-5 win over St. Vincent College. I don't know anything about St. Vincent, but they had 20 wins last year, so they can't be all bad. Fisher is back at it tomorrow against Franklin College.
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Post by: airball55 on February 27, 2011, 11:55:48 PM
Looks like they don't miss the hitting coach too much at Fisher.  They are going to good this year.  Once you get a taste of the regional it seems to really elevate a program and they have a nice set up down there.  Ithaca has a legit challenger to the once thought of pool B automatic Ithaca bid in this region.  Ithaca will be better this year as well with all those returning arms. 
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Post by: reddragon00 on February 28, 2011, 03:47:04 PM
Airball55......One game into the season against a HS JV team.....lets see at the end of the year.  They are a good team but St. Vincent????  Really!!
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Post by: airball55 on February 28, 2011, 04:07:32 PM
Thats awesome Dragonman.  All I am saying is that program will be just fine.  Also, took a swipe at a post from a writer back a ways about missing a volunteer assistant.  I get a kick out those.  There has been talk in the past on the SUNYAC side about if Joe Brown lost  this, or Joe Brown lost that... funny stuff. 
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Post by: reddragon00 on February 28, 2011, 08:16:56 PM
Airball....I see what you are saying but comparing a Cortland to Fisher ain't the same.  Joe Brown does lose some critical people but he has created so much depth both on the bench and coaching staff that he manages through it.  The guy at Fisher is new on the scene.  Don't know anything about him...Tough start for my Cortland boyz!!!  Need to rebound!
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Post by: sjfcards on February 28, 2011, 10:28:45 PM
Fisher got another win today against Franklin (IN). A freshman started for Fisher today, so it looks like they may have brought in at least one arm.
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Post by: airball55 on February 28, 2011, 11:47:27 PM
I did not say what I meant well.  All I was mentioning that a previous poster (probably the hitting coach himself) brought up the fact a volunteer assistant left the program.  The new HC at Fisher has been around and will be just fine, if not better than the previous guy.  That's all.  They did put up double digit runs again today, and, that St. Vincent team has won a few in FLA.  I am not comparing him to Joe Brown.  Coach Brown has lost plenty of assistants and has thrived.  That's all I was comparing.  I think sometimes people get a bit caught up in the coaching end of it too much.  Coach Brown is a heck of coach, but, he also gets the best players.  That can make us all look good.
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Post by: sjfcards on March 21, 2011, 05:38:45 PM
I was reading the Ithaca Journal the other day and I saw that Teagan Baressi, formerly of the Fisher baseball team, is now playing for Ithaca? Anybody know what that is about?

He was a pretty good player, and I am sure this years plan for the Fisher team had him involved.
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Post by: John McGraw on March 22, 2011, 12:27:13 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on March 21, 2011, 05:38:45 PM
I was reading the Ithaca Journal the other day and I saw that Teagan Baressi, formerly of the Fisher baseball team, is now playing for Ithaca? Anybody know what that is about?

He was a pretty good player, and I am sure this years plan for the Fisher team had him involved.

I just figure he wanted to be closer to home since he's from Lansing.
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Post by: airball55 on April 04, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
Ithaca struggled to get one from RIT, bit of a surprise there.  Still looks like St. John Fisher's league to lose this season despite their graduations and transfers.  Stevens is a tough place to play and 3 out of 4 ain't bad.  They have a good group of starters, I don't know how much Ithaca will hit against them.  My how times are changing a bit.  Ithaca will have some say but if they want that bid, they better get 3 out of 4 against their own league and that is not a given anymore.
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Post by: airball55 on April 09, 2011, 06:24:41 PM
Had a chance to see St. John Fisher today.  They have a lot of answers.  Freshman lefty no-hit Utica and he is pretty good.  Johnson was workmanlike in his effort.  They can run and defend very well.  Not so sure that this team isn't better than last years.  They may have more depth on the hill this season.  Ithaca split with Stevens.  They better get both tomorrow if they want a shot at St. John Fisher in this league and what seems like the automatic Pool Bid. 
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Post by: airball55 on April 10, 2011, 09:34:14 PM
Stevens and Ithaca split.  Utica gets the last one against Fisher.  Tough to win four in a weekend.  Kudos to Utica for playing a ridiculous schedule by the way, Wooster, Kean, Heidelberg (#1 at the time), etc...  They have been beat up a bit but hopefully it pays off down the road for them
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Post by: WrongArm on April 11, 2011, 09:01:22 AM
I saw St. John Fisher on Sunday against Utica. I agree with airball55 -- they look solid -- maybe not as imposing at the plate as last year, but all tough outs.

Utica's Florida schedule was pretty ambitious -- Heidelburg, Wooster, Plattsburg, Montclair State (not Kean, but still good) and Carthage. Fisher can play with the best of them. It's hard to tell a lot about a team in a single game, but I was most impressed by Carthage.

Ithaca may need all 4 games against Utica this weekend keep Fisher in their sights.
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Post by: airball55 on April 12, 2011, 12:52:51 PM
Thanks for correction on that scheduling mistake!!  The Empire 8 needs to implement a nine inning game into those weekend series.  The 7's won't really prepare whoever advances to the regional for those nine inning games.  The league should imitate the Liberty League, it has helped them and kind of shows who has enough pitching to play on and who does not.
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Post by: sjfcards on April 22, 2011, 12:22:32 PM
I am really hoping to make it to the games this weekend bbetween IC and Fisher. It is right in my back yard but the weather may do damage again this weekend. It is hard for me to say Fisher is the team to beat since IC has won so much in the past, but if (and that's a big if) Fisher can take 3 out of 4 or even split they are in good shape.

Should be a lot of fun.
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Post by: sjfcards on April 22, 2011, 04:08:00 PM
Fisher takes game 1, 4-1. Good pitching performance for both teams.
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Post by: sjfcards on April 22, 2011, 09:30:45 PM
Fisher also wins game two today by a run. Two big wins for Fisher in their bid to win the pool B bid.
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Post by: airball55 on April 23, 2011, 07:45:12 AM
Cardinals do get sweep and set up well for day two with Johnson still waiting in the wings.  Ithaca gets Healy a start, smart move and went through most of their good arms so they will have to have a good day today to maybe even get one.  Fisher looks real solid, almost easy for that Pool B bid that NY always gets.  It will be interesting to see if the NCAA folks regard that bid in the same light if it is not Ithaca every year (except last obviously) in that spot.  Fisher has a lot of answers out there, staff struck out a lot of guys yesterday.  See if weather holds today.
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Post by: JohnnyU on April 23, 2011, 09:02:01 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 09, 2011, 06:24:41 PM
Had a chance to see St. John Fisher today.  They have a lot of answers.  Freshman lefty no-hit Utica and he is pretty good.  Johnson was workmanlike in his effort.  They can run and defend very well.  Not so sure that this team isn't better than last years.  They may have more depth on the hill this season.  Ithaca split with Stevens.  They better get both tomorrow if they want a shot at St. John Fisher in this league and what seems like the automatic Pool Bid. 

This is simply not true. Unless the teams SJF played start winning, their SOS is not good enough for a Pool B bid this year.
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Post by: airball55 on April 23, 2011, 09:39:24 AM
In region record is the overall base for at large bids.  Their in region record is pretty good.  Remember, NY usually gets a Pool B bid, and, if they get close to 30 wins again, they have a great shot at it.  There were Ithaca teams that had much worse resumes that got in, probably based on past history more than anything else.  To say what was stated as not true is not accurate, maybe it might not materialize but it certainly could come true.  U have a point though, Ithaca and Stevens are really down this year and their league is not helping them.  They will probably will come out number two in the region though behing Cortland.
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Post by: WrongArm on April 23, 2011, 04:28:54 PM
Not having an automatic bid in the E8 certainly hurts whoever wins the league. In the few years I've followed the conference, Ithaca may have struggled out west, but still came back and put up a strong regional record and played the best non-conference opponents.  Fisher's regional winning percentage is good (second only to Cortland among NY teams on the D3baseball SOS chart), but if the E8 is down, those 16 conference games, nearly half their schedule,  doesn't buy much credibility.

Isn't RIT leaving the league next year? And new member, Houghton, doesn't arrive until 2012-13 with a shiny new baseball team.  That leaves a 4-team baseball conference next year. Any E8 team with tournament aspirations better play the best regional competition.
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Post by: sjfcards on April 26, 2011, 04:58:57 PM
What happened to the baseball team at Hartwick? I remember Fisher playing them when I was there. It is too bad that the E8 can not get a good baseball conference going. The other sports seem to have some real solid leagues. In football and golf (and other sports) they have gone outside of the traditional schools to fill out the league (Springfield, Salisbury, Buff State, etc.). Why not for baseball?

I hope that Fisher can get that Pool B bid. There SOS is not as strong as years past, but they should have around 30 wins by the end of the year, and they have a chance to take a couple from Ithaca, and perhaps beat Cortland if things go really well for them that day (probably not going to happen, but on any given day).

I think Fisher is in line for a bid. I don't know if there are enough good teams to keep them out, but I would not want to lose those games with Brockport and Oneonta if I were Fisher.
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Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 26, 2011, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 23, 2011, 09:39:24 AM
In region record is the overall base for at large bids.  Their in region record is pretty good.  Remember, NY usually gets a Pool B bid, and, if they get close to 30 wins again, they have a great shot at it.  There were Ithaca teams that had much worse resumes that got in, probably based on past history more than anything else.  To say what was stated as not true is not accurate, maybe it might not materialize but it certainly could come true.  U have a point though, Ithaca and Stevens are really down this year and their league is not helping them.  They will probably will come out number two in the region though behing Cortland.
There are only 2 Pool B bids this year. In past years there were more. SOS is one of the most important numbers. Having a high in region winning percentage with a very low SOS will not get a team a bid. A team with a lesser in region winning percentage and very high SOS will get in while the former stays home.

336 St. John Fisher  17-4 .810 0.386 (357) 0.554 0.442 

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

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Post by: WrongArm on April 27, 2011, 08:12:19 AM
My memory here is a little sketchy, but I think Hartwick got a new AD five years ago and baseball and a few other sports got the ax. I was told, with regard to the E8 as a baseball conference, that they're working on it. Not sure what that means though.

St John Fisher's SOS is certainly not impressive. But, as an absolute number to evaluate teams across the country, SOS is a little slippery. I'm pulling for them to finish strong too.
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Post by: reddragon00 on April 28, 2011, 07:30:03 AM
Have watched Fisher Play but that SOS is BRUTAL!!!!  With where they are located (Rochester), they have to get more competitive teams on the schedule.  Ithaca is not Ithaca anymore.  They can get my Red Dragons on (already have), Fredonia, B-Port 2 x, and when they go down to PA/NJ, there are a ton of teams to play.  With Houghton coming in and Fisher playing them 4 x, have to work on that SOS.
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Post by: airball55 on April 28, 2011, 01:35:58 PM
You certainly can't control who you play all the time.  With Ithaca and Stevens really struggling just to be competitive, it certainly hurts Fishers SOS.  The Florida schedule was good, but, no in region teams.  Let's face it, if you are in this region the SOS will be lower anyway.  They have played U of R twice and beat them.  They are supposed to be a strong team.  They will play RIT four times per their conference, they beat Brockport.  They still have Oneonta for a DH, Cortland for one as well.  I can't imagine teams rushing to play them as well right now.  Bottom line, record against Ithaca (traditional power), U of R, and Brockport is 5-0.  Only one of those games was in their park.  Keuka, Medaille and teams like that are regional and all those Rochester teams play them, like Cortland and Oneonta play Union, Hamilton, Cazenovia, etc...  When the leagues are locked up in four game conference weekends, it's tough for Fisher to play, RPI, Clarkson, Skidmore, etc...  If there is only two Pool B bids then it will certainly be tough to get in, but it would be a shame that the second best team in the region (if we all think Cortland is the best) won't get a bit.  That can't bode well for us that like to brag NY up as an underrated region.
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Post by: Tarheel0550 on April 28, 2011, 03:50:51 PM
Oneonta has the 25th toughest sos right now in the nation.Thinking that with that along with wins over Keystone and Montclaire,and hanging tough against Cortland that they could be #2 in region behind C-Land and not St.J Fisher.O-State has put up some good wins this year but in all fairness they also have a few BAD losses ie;Union .Guess we will find out where everyone stands today,but they sure are taking thier sweet time releasing rankings.
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Post by: sjfcards on April 28, 2011, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: Tarheel0550 on April 28, 2011, 03:50:51 PM
Oneonta has the 25th toughest sos right now in the nation.Thinking that with that along with wins over Keystone and Montclaire,and hanging tough against Cortland that they could be #2 in region behind C-Land and not St.J Fisher.O-State has put up some good wins this year but in all fairness they also have a few BAD losses ie;Union .Guess we will find out where everyone stands today,but they sure are taking thier sweet time releasing rankings.

What is more important to the NCAA, SOS or head to head. If fisher takes two from Oneonta does that trump Oneonta's much higher SOS? Can't a ton of wins, say 33 or so, trump some of the bad SOS? I am really asking since I don't know how it works in baseball, but it almost has to be a combination of several factors.

Also, Fisher would not be competing with Oneonta for a pool B correct? Since Oneonta plays in sunyac doesn't that take the pool b option out of it for them?

If there is only two pool B bids then Fisher may have to work for a pool C since the league is so far down this year.
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Post by: Tarheel0550 on April 28, 2011, 04:47:47 PM
Regional Rankings just out
C-Land
O-State
B-Port
RPI
ST.J Fisher
Farmingdale

looks like SOS makes up alot of the determination on who gets in.If O-State would atleast spit with Fisher I cant see STJF jumping over them.O-State still has 3 games with B-Port this weekend
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Post by: WrongArm on April 28, 2011, 08:05:03 PM
The records listed in the ranking don't appear to take into account Wednesday's games. St John Fisher was undetered by their unfavorable SOS number and beat Brockport. And a not-so-scarey Ithaca team put a loss on Oneonta. Lots of baseball left.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Tarheel0550 on April 28, 2011, 08:41:21 PM
Oneonta also blanked ithaca earlier in season 8-0.Undetered or not Like I said before O-State has the 25th sorry 20th toughest SOS in the nation ST J Fisher 324, that will go a long way in the minds of the selection commitee
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Post by: basesjuiced4 on April 29, 2011, 12:53:33 AM
If you look ahead at SJF schedule they still have to play Oneonta, Ithaca (DH), Cortland, Penn St. Behrend, RIT (4), and a couple others.  I believe the way it works is that their SOS will get tremendously better as they play those games because I don't think SOS takes into account your entire schedule just the games that you have played.  Can someone clarify this for me?  I think a big problem for baseball in this region is that when you are making a schedule a year in advance you can't account for teams like Ithaca to be mediocre, you almost depend on them to help your SOS and in this case they did not.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2011, 01:18:38 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 26, 2011, 04:58:57 PM
What happened to the baseball team at Hartwick? I remember Fisher playing them when I was there. It is too bad that the E8 can not get a good baseball conference going. The other sports seem to have some real solid leagues. In football and golf (and other sports) they have gone outside of the traditional schools to fill out the league (Springfield, Salisbury, Buff State, etc.). Why not for baseball?
...
Hartwick dropped baseball after 2006.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Tarheel0550 on April 29, 2011, 08:13:53 AM
basesjuiced-you are correct they ony take into account games played this far and opponents games played this far
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Post by: rob on April 29, 2011, 08:23:55 AM
Juiced- Those teams may help your SOS but you have to win some of them as well.  Wins need to come first. Usually, if you deserve a bid you may get one.
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Post by: airball55 on April 29, 2011, 09:06:46 AM
Fisher will certainly get their chance to play some of the teams ahead of them.  They will be fine and with their pitching depth still looks like a solid at large team.  With a heads up win at Brockport and a DH with Oneonta still they will get to show their worth. 
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Post by: basesjuiced4 on May 01, 2011, 07:38:41 PM
It appears that the preseason picks didn't pan out for the bombers this year in the E8.  I am sure they are a solid team but it looks like Fisher is now the team to beat.  Wasn't at the games this weekend but I see that Fisher clinched the E8 title for the 2nd year in a row.  The numbers at this point don't lie http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary.  I believe the conference player of the year (Barressi) transfered to Ithaca from Fisher over the winter if I'm not mistaken.  Wonder if there are any regrets there?
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Post by: sjfcards on May 02, 2011, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 29, 2011, 09:06:46 AM
Fisher will certainly get their chance to play some of the teams ahead of them.  They will be fine and with their pitching depth still looks like a solid at large team.  With a heads up win at Brockport and a DH with Oneonta still they will get to show their worth. 

Just following Upstate Baseball as much as I have this year (admittedly not that much) I can't see how Fisher will not be in the regional if they finish the year playing anything close to what they have been this season. Fisher has been a solid team from the start, and has only lost twice since coming back from Florida. Obviously a bad SOS makes all the wins less impressive, but they have done all that they have needed to do so far. The game against Cortland and two against Oneonta should go a long way to getting Fisher in, or putting them right on that bubble.

I don't know if this years team is as good as last years Fisher team, but I am excited to see what they can do down the stretch and in the playoffs.


Any ideas what happened to Ithaca this year? I always expect Ithaca to be one of the better teams in the state. They are obviously not a terrible team, but they have struggled to stay above .500 this year. What gives?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 02, 2011, 06:05:17 PM
The American Baseball Coaches Association (ABCA), in the poll results for Apr. 26 (next poll on May 3), ranked only two NY teams in the top 30 -- Cortland and St. John Fisher. I think Fisher is better than last year. Their pitching is solid and deep and they've got lots of ways to score runs.

Quote from: basesjuiced4 on May 01, 2011, 07:38:41 PM
I believe the conference player of the year (Barressi) transfered to Ithaca from Fisher over the winter if I'm not mistaken.  

Jeff Dornes from RIT was 2010 Conference player of the year. Barresi didn't make first or second team but was an Honorable Mention.

http://www.empire8.com/documents/2010/8/19/Baseball%20All-Conference%202010.pdf (http://www.empire8.com/documents/2010/8/19/Baseball%20All-Conference%202010.pdf)
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Post by: basesjuiced4 on May 02, 2011, 08:38:40 PM
My mistake wrongarm, I read it wrong on the Ithaca website, he was rookie of the year as a freshman and all tournament team at the regional last year-either way has got to be dissapointing.  I agree with you that Fisher appears to be a lot deeper this year.  It should be interesting to see how the rest of the games play out since it seems like it is make or break time for a lot of teams in the next ten days or so with all of this beautiful weather we have had in upstate NY this spring.
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Post by: airball55 on May 03, 2011, 12:22:04 PM
St. John Fisher is certainly a team that has exceeded some expectations.  But, they had good young players and losing Jurik has not cost them as much as once maybe thought.  The Barresi transfer has not cost them at all as well.  If they can get Cortland, as well as at least split with Oneonta, people may have to look at them as the one seed in this region and not as a team that may or may not get in. 
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Post by: WrongArm on May 03, 2011, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 03, 2011, 12:22:04 PM
If they can get Cortland, as well as at least split with Oneonta, people may have to look at them as the one seed in this region and not as a team that may or may not get in. 

Today's ABCA poll shows Cortland moving up to number 5 from 8 last week, and St. John Fisher, after a good week, rises to 24 from 28. That's a nice bump, but I can't imagine anyone overtaking Cortland. The NCAA ranked three SUNY schools ahead of Fisher. One of them was Brockport. They didn't make the top thirty in the poll, but they did receive votes so they are not going unnoticed. Fisher ought to play like there's no tomorrow and keep their fingers crossed.

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/pdf/main/athletics/abcapoll050311.pdf (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/pdf/main/athletics/abcapoll050311.pdf)
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Post by: John McGraw on May 03, 2011, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 03, 2011, 12:22:04 PM
St. John Fisher is certainly a team that has exceeded some expectations.  But, they had good young players and losing Jurik has not cost them as much as once maybe thought.  The Barresi transfer has not cost them at all as well.  If they can get Cortland, as well as at least split with Oneonta, people may have to look at them as the one seed in this region and not as a team that may or may not get in. 

Remember though, only two Pool B spots nationally. At this point, Chapman appears to be a lock for one of them. Question is, will Fisher nab the other?
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Post by: airball55 on May 04, 2011, 08:10:28 AM
I believe though that they or any other Pool B team can also slide into Pool C.  This has been floated around on here.  Personally, I am not sure of what the tournament rules are.  It may come down to geography more than actually who should go, and that would be a shame.  Anyone have answers on this??  If there are only 2 B bids and Fisher can't get a C, then it is possible that certainly one of the best two teams in this region may not get it.  That would not be a good sign for NY. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 04, 2011, 10:23:18 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 04, 2011, 08:10:28 AM
I believe though that they or any other Pool B team can also slide into Pool C.  This has been floated around on here.  Personally, I am not sure of what the tournament rules are.  It may come down to geography more than actually who should go, and that would be a shame.  Anyone have answers on this??  If there are only 2 B bids and Fisher can't get a C, then it is possible that certainly one of the best two teams in this region may not get it.  That would not be a good sign for NY. 

It's possible for them to get a Pool C bid though they'll have to hope that favorites win out across the country - i.e. nationally-ranked and highly-regional ranked teams winning their league tournaments. For example - Fisher has to be a big fan of Cortland and hope the Red Dragons get through the SUNYAC. If not, that's a Pool C spot pretty much off the board IMO.

Unfortunately for Fisher, it's a national tournament, not a regional one, so they're dealing with everyone all over and not just clubs in New York or even the northeast for that matter. As we've seen, the NCAA will not hesitate to send in non-region teams to New York to fill open slots - from either New England, the Mid-Atlantic or the Mideast

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Post by: OshDude on May 04, 2011, 10:56:37 AM
Or the South. I have a hunch that Shenandoah may be going to NY this year.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 04, 2011, 05:05:23 PM
That would be a very strange move to send Shenendoah this far north. I believe the NCAA is trying to save on mileage not expand on it.  I think in regards to Fisher, I am hoping they get the same treatment Ithaca has gotten over the past decade or so when their teams weren't all that special but to fill this regional, that "league" had a rep.  If Fisher gets close to 30 wins they should get the AQ, Ithaca had much leaner years than that 1995-2000, 02,03,05, 07 etc... when they didn't have great W-L records but still got in.  That was when the tourny was smaller too.  Just fighting for the region here.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: SUbaseballfan on May 04, 2011, 05:17:18 PM

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 04, 2011, 09:09:59 PM
Add a few more miles to the NY regional, it is in Auburn, not Cortland.  Regardless of that, looks like the southern boys want to come north to play.  Curious, when was the last time a team from that region got placed in NY?  We get our share of New England teams, but this would be different.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: basesjuiced4 on May 07, 2011, 10:10:04 AM
Just checked the box score from the Ithaca Fisher double header yesterday.  Ithaca appears to have gotten lucky in the first game as the Cardinals committed 3 errors and lost the first one.  The second game looked completely different though as the freshman phenom Justin DAmato continued his all american type year and picked up his 9th win.  Fisher at this point almost seems like a lock to get in and if they didn't it would be a crime because they are easily the second if not first best team in the region.  Their resume in E8 is real impressive as they took 3 out of 4 against everyone except for the sweep of RIT last weekend.  Hope the committee realizes how impressive some of their numbers/wins are and gives them a bid.  This could be an interesting regional this year as it appears Fisher and Cortland could duke it out to go to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 07, 2011, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: basesjuiced4 on May 07, 2011, 10:10:04 AM
This could be an interesting regional this year as it appears Fisher and Cortland could duke it out to go to Wisconsin.

The NCAA Regional Rankings released on the 5th show Brockport at number 2 behind Cortland. Farmingdale State is next followed by St. John Fisher. Oneonta has fallen out of the top 6, but like the previous ranking, Brockport is still ahead of Fisher.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 07, 2011, 08:06:25 PM
The regional rankings certainly will not finish this way.  I wonder, if it was Ithaca in Fisher's position, if they would be 4th??  Brockport certainly challenged themselves early, but, they did lose at home to Fisher and Fisher did not throw a weekend starter.  Farmingdale may have a nice club but that league is atrocious!!  They will probably win the regional now that I say this, but I still think Fisher will be fine barring a late season collapse.  They may have to play in the always popular ECAC tourney to add to their resume.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 07, 2011, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 07, 2011, 08:06:25 PM
The regional rankings certainly will not finish this way.  I wonder, if it was Ithaca in Fisher's position, if they would be 4th??  Brockport certainly challenged themselves early, but, they did lose at home to Fisher and Fisher did not throw a weekend starter.  Farmingdale may have a nice club but that league is atrocious!!  They will probably win the regional now that I say this, but I still think Fisher will be fine barring a late season collapse.  They may have to play in the always popular ECAC tourney to add to their resume.

Farmingdale went to the World Series a few years ago.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 07, 2011, 10:55:50 PM
Yes they did Mr. Mcgraw, they played that regional on their field if I am not mistaken.  Or a field extremely close to their home. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JohnnyU on May 07, 2011, 11:11:33 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 07, 2011, 08:06:25 PM
The regional rankings certainly will not finish this way.  I wonder, if it was Ithaca in Fisher's position, if they would be 4th??  Brockport certainly challenged themselves early, but, they did lose at home to Fisher and Fisher did not throw a weekend starter.  Farmingdale may have a nice club but that league is atrocious!!  They will probably win the regional now that I say this, but I still think Fisher will be fine barring a late season collapse.  They may have to play in the always popular ECAC tourney to add to their resume.

Farmingdale State (ranked 158 in SOS) has played a considerably more difficult schedule than St. John Fisher (ranked 316 out of 370 in SOS). Fisher has only played 7 in-region against teams with winning records: 4 against Ithaca, who has a 13-12 overall record, 2 against Widener, and one 6-inning game against Brockport. By comparison, some teams Fisher will be competing against in Pool B and C have 14 games against regionally ranked teams and 30 games against teams with winning in-region records
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 08, 2011, 12:44:40 AM
SOS is far from perfect. Since it doesn't know the difference between winning records in weak leagues and winning records in strong leagues, SOS should be tempered with some human common sense.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 08, 2011, 12:25:22 PM
Well said Wrongarm.  I took a good look at Farmingdale.  It is true that comparing leagues is tough.  Their league has traditional powers Yashiva, Manhattanville, etc...  That league is awful.  They certainly challenged themselves though with some spring trip games though, having some success (4-7 against RIT (DH), Oneonta (loss) WNEC (loss), 1-3 against East Conn. and Southern Maine.  They had a nice win against Keene St. who is traditionally strong.  Still, they are 10-8 away from their league.  When SJFC plays Cortland and Penn. St. Behrend, their SOS will certainly go up, and, it may not hurt them if they lose.  Personally, I think you could argue for Oneonta over Farmingdale.  But an AQ is an AQ and they don't even come into the argument now.  Bottom line for Fisher, it is going to come down to Brockport.  They beat them heads up and will maybe see them again in the ECAC??  25-7 is 25-7 (3-1 against Ithaca, 7-0 against the Rochester schools who are all solid, RIT is a bit down but has a couple fo decent wins).  That usually has meant a bid in years past, but, that was Ithaca.  Also, we may have to throw RPI or Skidmore into the mix, both teams have good records (skidmore weaker SOS).  If Skidmore wins, RPI may be in line for an at large. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 09, 2011, 08:36:30 AM
The last few years Stevens played in the Skyline, their record in conference was 15-7, 13-5 and 13-5. Since joining the E8 they've never broken .500 in their conference record with 6-10, 5-7, 7-9 and 3-11. Obviously, teams change from year to year, but Skyline Stevens would certainly help your SOS. E8 Stevens, not so much.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on May 09, 2011, 12:10:55 PM
A couple of things...
Regional records, SOS, etc all of these useful stats come into play when determining which teams are chosen for regionals, but keep in mind that the men who make the picks try to get the BEST teams in.
Sometime going against what may be backed up by the stats, but usually the picks all deserve to be there.
Also, there are ALWAYS surprises. After a month of debate about which teams should or shouldn't be in the committee will inevitably throw some curveballs.
By the way; Farmingdale is a good team with a good program.  I'm not sure why this is being questioned as they have been to Regionals the last 3 years or so with a W. S. appaerance in that time.  I'm not a big fan but I do follow them and they beat the right teams and win the right games, and yes, they are in a weak conference.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Big Louie on May 09, 2011, 12:46:55 PM
I agree Farmingdale won the Skyline and are in the Regionals. If we were debating if they should get a pool C bid then I understand the argument of the weak conference but that's not the issue.

The real issue here is should St John Fisher get into the NCAA tournament with a great record? They kind of remind me the Oneonta teams of the mid to late 2000's who would regularly rack up 30 win seasons and never get into the NCAA's because they played a weak schedule.

There are only two pool B bids out there and baring any major changes it looks like they will be going to Piedmont and Chapman leaving St John Fisher to hope for one of the 15 Pool C's.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 09, 2011, 01:45:21 PM
I think fisher has as strong a case to get into the regional as any team in the region not named Cortland. They have won a lot of games and when theybhave played the better teams they have won. I think fisher's SOS has been hurt by the weather some as well, since games with oneonta have bee rained out twice. Not that that is going to make fishers schedule strong, but it would help them if they could beat another regionally ranked team.

They still play Cortland and can hopefully schedule some more games now that finals are over.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JohnnyU on May 09, 2011, 05:05:35 PM
Assuming Penn-State Behrend holds on to their 14-2 lead, St. John's Fisher will be 4-4 inregion against teams over .500.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on May 09, 2011, 09:59:52 PM
Fisher's got a rough road to get to regionals...at this point maybe impossible
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: basesjuiced4 on May 09, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
Guess I picked a bad day to attend my second Fisher game this season.  In regards to the 6th inning debocal that cost them the game, PSB had a hit and run on and Fishers 3rd baseman dropped what looked like an easy line drive that would have doubled the runner up at first and there would have been two outs.  It was painful to watch as NOT ONE ball that inning was hard hit, they were all bloopers and bleeders that found a hole.  Fisher was clearly the better team on the field, but that dropped line drive might have cost them big.  I am optimistic that Fisher is still alive if they are able to knock off the Red Dragons on Wednesday.  Don't think I will be at that one...might be bad luck.  Any predictions on the New York Regional Selections and Seeding?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 10, 2011, 05:41:56 AM
Without an AQ for the E8, Fisher always had a rough road to make the tournament. And yesterday's game is only one in a body of work that began in February.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: JohnnyU on May 10, 2011, 11:09:36 AM
Great addition of Alvernia to the schedule for St. John Fisher. I think the winner of that series is in, but the loser is out. Smart move by both teams to take matters into their own hands and settle it on the field.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 11, 2011, 01:41:21 PM
The Cortland-Fisher game scheduled for today has been cancelled.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 11, 2011, 05:10:54 PM
Oneonta cancelled against Fisher and now Cortland.  They now are going to Alvernia and maybe someone else who may want to play.  Hard to strenghten a schedule when no one will play.  I wonder, if Ithaca was 25-8 if they would get snubbed?  May be a moot point, if they drop both to Alvernia.  I can't see an eight team regional up here where the SUNYAC and LL get two teams and Fisher gets a bid as well.  New York does not command that kind of post season attention.  When was the last time the Empire 8 champ did not get a bid??  Mr. Mcgraw may have that info.  It certainly could be this season.  I can't believe I am saying this, but they may be better off going totally independant and dropping the Empire 8 schedule, it is getting the nowhere.  3 out of 4, all at Ithaca isn't what it used to be.  I
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: cs2to6 on May 12, 2011, 08:08:20 PM
Alvernia won 11-0 over St. John Fisher today.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on February 04, 2012, 10:15:06 PM
Let's get the ball rolling on predictions for 2012.  At first glance it looks like Fisher and then the rest.  Can Ithaca climb back up the ladder to get to the Cardinals?  Or is maybe Stevens ready to go by Ithaca?  With the departure of RIT, these teams have it real tough to get a post season bid, as was evident last year.  I would imagine 30 wins is almost a necessity for an at large.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 26, 2012, 06:27:16 PM
A good start for Fisher on this year as they sweep a doubleheader against SUNY Purchase. No stats are available yet, but it looks like 2 strong pitching performances as they won 17-2 and 7-1.

Justin Damato started game two so it looks like the new guy Beaumont is the 1 starter as of right now. Looks like a strong 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on February 27, 2012, 07:08:58 PM
Beaumont is a D2 transfer and a good one.  Purchase brings in B-port and Fisher for the weekend and takes the collar, 0-4.  Fisher has other arms to go with these two as well, probably needs to make sure they get near the 30 win total if they want the at-large after their experience last year... and they may have the horses to do so.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on February 28, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
Quote from: airball55 on February 27, 2012, 07:08:58 PM
Beaumont is a D2 transfer and a good one.  Purchase brings in B-port and Fisher for the weekend and takes the collar, 0-4.  Fisher has other arms to go with these two as well, probably needs to make sure they get near the 30 win total if they want the at-large after their experience last year... and they may have the horses to do so.

Beaumont was a conference starter at Division II Lynn which plays in one of the toughest Division II leagues in country. He was second on his team in strikeouts last year. Local kid from the Rochester area, pitched at MCC for two years and then spent one season at Lynn before returning home. Like I said in the New York preview, Fisher's 1-2 punch of Beaumont and D'Amato is perhaps the best in the region.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 29, 2012, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on February 28, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
Quote from: airball55 on February 27, 2012, 07:08:58 PM
Beaumont is a D2 transfer and a good one.  Purchase brings in B-port and Fisher for the weekend and takes the collar, 0-4.  Fisher has other arms to go with these two as well, probably needs to make sure they get near the 30 win total if they want the at-large after their experience last year... and they may have the horses to do so.

Beaumont was a conference starter at Division II Lynn which plays in one of the toughest Division II leagues in country. He was second on his team in strikeouts last year. Local kid from the Rochester area, pitched at MCC for two years and then spent one season at Lynn before returning home. Like I said in the New York preview, Fisher's 1-2 punch of Beaumont and D'Amato is perhaps the best in the region.

I am hoping the arms at the top of the rotation can get Fisher back to the regional (and maybe beyond) this year. I love the 1-2 punch and converting their closer to a starter was a good decision IMHO. The runs have been there for Fisher in years past, but the mound is where I have seen Cortland set themselves apart in years past. Here is hoping anyway.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 01, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
Empire 8 Coaches Poll
1 - St. John Fisher (2)
1 - Ithaca (2)
3 - Stevens
4 - Utica

Given what St. John Fisher returns from last season and with the addition of Jason Beaumont, I'm a little surprised to see Fisher and Ithaca splitting the top spot. Maybe the coaches know something we don't. Fisher won the league title last year and narrowly missed an NCAA tournament berth while Ithaca finished 18-14. Not a bad record by any means and a winning one at that though not a record Bomber baseball fans are used to seeing.

Ithaca's incoming class looks pretty good with some All-Area selections from around Albany, one all-state selection from Connecticut and Jeff Mathers, a Division I transfer from Manhattan. Mathers had a strong HS career in Elmira yet didn't really play for the Jaspers. I mentioned this on Twitter and I'll mention it again here - does Tucker Healy remain in the bullpen or is he moved into the starting rotation? I seem to remember one year a closer moving into the starting rotation because he was the best pitcher on the team. Though when that was I honestly cannot remember, this might have even happened when I was a student. Honestly, it's not a bad idea given that if Healy is the top arm, why not use him more? He did make two starts last season so I guess we'll see once the team takes the field.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 03, 2012, 03:05:59 PM
That is a bit of a surprise.  I don't think though that a coach can vote for themselves obviously so when there are only four teams voting, it can get misleading.  I really think that Ithaca is closer to Stevens then they are to Fisher.  I think the past couple of years pretty much speak for themselves, but, since this "league" is so small, all it takes is one bad weekend and the whole standings can change.  It will be interesting what happens this year when the Empire 8 champ. gets ready for postseason, if this league gets any help for a regional selection.  Bottom line, I think Fisher has to win 30 to get in, I would say the same for the other teams as well.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on March 03, 2012, 03:14:10 PM

Don't know if this is final, but gonna guess yes at this time since Penn St. Altoona had 2:30 start vs. Cortland in Winter Haven, FL. The same place had St. John Fisher 18, PS-Altoona 4 in a game started at 10:30 this a.m. Seven innings showing on livestats. Fisher with 18 hits, Altoona nine errors
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on March 03, 2012, 04:47:59 PM

Fisher 21, PS Altoona 4 looks official. Seven inning game. S. Karnyski 2x5, 4 bi, hr. J. D'Amato works first five innings on the mound, 2r, 2er, 0bb, 13k. R. Messner finishes
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 05, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
Fisher won game 1 of their double dip today with MAC 9-1. That improves their record to 5-1. They are struggling so far in game two, so it looks like a 5-2 start for Fisher. Not too bad.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on March 05, 2012, 05:49:48 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on March 05, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
Fisher won game 1 of their double dip today with MAC 9-1. That improves their record to 5-1. They are struggling so far in game two, so it looks like a 5-2 start for Fisher. Not too bad.
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Fisher is one of the best teams in the New York region - no doubt.  Their strength of schedule (the teams they have played are a combined 11-15 so far) continues to be a question, though - given the Empire 8 (or what is left of it) does not get an automatic bid to the tournament.  Brockport had no trouble in dispatching Purchase either and PS Altoona is no match for any decent team.  Surprising loss in game 2 today.

Husson stuck with Cortland for most of the game yesterday.  That one could be interesting.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on March 07, 2012, 08:10:20 PM
okaayyy....so Fisher had no trouble with Husson :D
I guess they were upset with the previous result!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 08, 2012, 09:01:26 PM
Fisher beat Aurora today, 11-10 in 7000 innings (more like 15). Aurora is a pretty good team I guess so that is a good win for them. Now 7-2 with one game left in Florida.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 08, 2012, 10:29:30 PM
That is a good win, Aurora is traditionally a top 15 caliber program.  The Cards are certainly swinging it, and they needed it today.  D'amato gets hit around a bit but kept them close enough to have a chance to win it.  The strength of the schedule isn't bad at all, all of those teams had 25 plus wins last season and they beat Gwenydd Mercy who beat Cortland.  A win against Juniata tomorrow would certainly lead to possible a top regional ranking and a climb in the polls... one would think.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 09, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 08, 2012, 10:29:30 PM
That is a good win, Aurora is traditionally a top 15 caliber program.  The Cards are certainly swinging it, and they needed it today.  D'amato gets hit around a bit but kept them close enough to have a chance to win it.  The strength of the schedule isn't bad at all, all of those teams had 25 plus wins last season and they beat Gwenydd Mercy who beat Cortland.  A win against Juniata tomorrow would certainly lead to possible a top regional ranking and a climb in the polls... one would think.

Fisher was able to beat Juniata today to finish the Florida trip 8-2. Fisher had another big day at the plate with 6 home runs in the win. Beaumont was not dominant but settled in after the first 3 innings to get the win. That was a really good road trip for Fisher and sets up the potential for a big season.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 09, 2012, 04:11:18 PM
The stolen base figures jump out at me!  I can't help to wonder though how big those fields are... or is the wind blowing out constantly.  With the six HR's today, that just about ties them (or does) with last seasons total.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 10, 2012, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 09, 2012, 04:11:18 PM
The stolen base figures jump out at me!  I can't help to wonder though how big those fields are... or is the wind blowing out constantly.  With the six HR's today, that just about ties them (or does) with last seasons total.

There must be something going on down there because that is a crazy amount of power for any one game. I think one of them may have been an inside the park home run, but still.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on March 10, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on March 10, 2012, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 09, 2012, 04:11:18 PM
The stolen base figures jump out at me!  I can't help to wonder though how big those fields are... or is the wind blowing out constantly.  With the six HR's today, that just about ties them (or does) with last seasons total.

There must be something going on down there because that is a crazy amount of power for any one game. I think one of them may have been an inside the park home run, but still.
Check the bats.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 11, 2012, 06:59:12 PM
Does anyone have information on what Fisher will be looking at when they play Westminster? The good news for Fisher is that they can throw those top two starters at them.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 14, 2012, 02:47:18 AM
Pretty good start to the annual California trip for Ithaca.

The Bombers swept a two-game set at Chapman with wins of 3-2 and 5-0. Panthers ranked #21 at the time though overall this season Chapman has struggled. Still, it's two good wins for the Bombers who have struggled at times in recent years against some pretty tough competition in California. Wednesday brought an 8-4 loss to Whittier though IC still has five more games left on the trip.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 15, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
Fisher won again today against Medaille 14-1. Medaille is not a giant of upstate baseball but still another win for Fisher. They were also able to save their two big guns for the weekend.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 31, 2012, 06:29:03 PM
Where is everyone?

Fisher won both ends of a double-header today against Utica. Fisher won the first game 7-0. In game two Fisher scored a run in the 9th, 10th, and 11th to win 6-5. It would not be a good thing for Fisher to lose to a team like Utica, but they Were able to avoid it.

I am wondering what Fisher will do this week with Cortland and Ithaca on the schedule. Do they Pitch D'Amato against Cortland (which has the potential to be a big time quality win), or do they save him for the conference game against Ithaca?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 31, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
Good question.  That was a close call today at home against a Utica team who is now 1-16 I believe.  It is still very difficult to win four games in a weekend against the same team.  Remember, last year the Cards did drop one to Utica.  Let's see what happens on day two with these teams.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 31, 2012, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 31, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
Good question.  That was a close call today at home against a Utica team who is now 1-16 I believe.  It is still very difficult to win four games in a weekend against the same team.  Remember, last year the Cards did drop one to Utica.  Let's see what happens on day two with these teams.

Just one game tomorrow, but yes, double headers are tough to sweep at any level, and when you throw a third (or fourth) game into the mix, it is even tougher. That is why games against Utica and Stevens are so important. I think it is a good bet that if Fisher and Ithaca play 6 times we are probably looking at a 3-3 split, or something close to that.

You don't want to drop a game you "should" win, when you don't know if you can or will get more than a game against the top tier of the league.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 01, 2012, 11:03:10 AM
The Utica games at St. John Fisher yesterday were nearly a replay of last year when, in the first game last year, Fisher's starter (#1 or #2 guy) had a career day and UC never threatened. In the second game last year, if my memory can be trusted, against a #3/4/5 pitcher, UC put up some runs and held on to win.

Against a team like UC, with a thin and inconsistent pitching staff, I'd want to play them 6 times in a weekend... and make'em 9 innings too. By the 4th game they'd have put the a trainer on the mound if they weren't too cheap to send one with the team.

Does anyone know what the weekend format for the E8 games is supposed to be? I'd assumed that with three games to play there would be a 7 inning double header and a single 9 inning game. Yesterday at Fisher the double header was 7 and then 9 (tough for UC as Fisher didn't tie the second game until the bottom of the ninth).
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 01, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
Fisher's 3,4,5 pitchers aren't that bad!!  But, you have a good point, after facing aces, even though the next couple of pitchers aren't as bad they can seem a bit easier to beat then the ace.  Also, don't sleep on Stevens, they aren't that bad!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 01, 2012, 03:43:03 PM
Fisher and Utica tied at 3 after nine.  Utica pitcher throws a one hitter!!  Pioneers commit five errors or else probably sneak this one out.  Ithaca blow out Stevens in first game today.  The two team race will probably most certainly happen, each team plays each other 6 times this year!!  Ithaca may have been a bit more convincing earlier in the season, but, Fisher has plenty of ammo and is still the team to beat.  Those will be fun games to watch this season.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 02, 2012, 09:58:03 AM
As defending E8 champs and on the strength of their top two pitchers, Fisher may be the team to beat. I know this was just a single, cold, wet weekend series in a much longer season... but if the best Fisher can do without their top two pitchers is play a 1 and friggin' 16 team even in two consecutive 9 inning games, maybe the ammo box is not so full.

I agree with sjfcards, though. With only 4 teams in the league, the six games with Stevens and with Utica may tip the scales at the end of the year. I saw that Stevens split with Ithaca yesterday. Ithaca's Healey gave up two home runs in relief in the matchbox-size, POS field in Hoboken. Isn't there a real baseball field near Stevens?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 04, 2012, 08:18:54 AM
Big week for Fisher starts today with Cortland at home, with a trip to Ithaca this weekend to follow. Fisher can do a lot for their chances of getting a pool B (assuming they win the league which is a big assumption) if they can win a few this week. I have been going back and forth but I am thinking I would rather have them pitch one of the big 2 today against Cortland if they are ready. Cortland is always a big win if you can get it, and you never know what the weather or other team will have in store for you over the weekend. Lets throw our best out there and see what happens after that. I know the IC games are huge, but you still have 3 more with them after this weekend.

Hopefully Ithaca throws one of their top pitchers today against Oneonta.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 04, 2012, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 04, 2012, 08:18:54 AM
Big week for Fisher starts today with Cortland at home, with a trip to Ithaca this weekend to follow. Fisher can do a lot for their chances of getting a pool B (assuming they win the league which is a big assumption) if they can win a few this week. I have been going back and forth but I am thinking I would rather have them pitch one of the big 2 today against Cortland if they are ready. Cortland is always a big win if you can get it, and you never know what the weather or other team will have in store for you over the weekend. Lets throw our best out there and see what happens after that. I know the IC games are huge, but you still have 3 more with them after this weekend.

Hopefully Ithaca throws one of their top pitchers today against Oneonta.

Fisher gets a big win against Cortland today 4-3 in 9 innings. Damato pitched well for Fisher. On to Ithaca.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 05, 2012, 03:25:03 PM
Something tells me we may see this matchup down the road for the chance to go to the series!!
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Post by: sjfcards on April 05, 2012, 11:39:09 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 05, 2012, 03:25:03 PM
Something tells me we may see this matchup down the road for the chance to go to the series!!

Well, Ithaca also seems to be back toward the top of the region after last years down cycle. I think they will have something to say about the regional as well. Big weekend in the E8, with Fisher and IC getting together.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on April 06, 2012, 07:36:00 PM

Ithaca crushes Fisher 16-2
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 06, 2012, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: jdex on April 06, 2012, 07:36:00 PM

Ithaca crushes Fisher 16-2

Yeah, that was a difficult one to watch today. Fisher never got it going, and IC looked good. Ouch!!

Hopefully tomorrow brings better Pitching for Fisher.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 06, 2012, 10:40:00 PM
Yikes!  Fisher still has Beaumont back, but no D'amato.  Looking forward to tomorrow's games to see how both teams respond to today's outcome.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 07, 2012, 11:01:57 AM
It's always fun to watch the Ithaca sports information guys beat their chests, especially since, at least for baseball, they've had to tuck their tails the last couple of years. I'm lookibng forward to more stories of games where the Bombers "manhandle," "rout," and "batter" their opponents. With a good effort today, maybe Fisher can get them to put the thesaurus back on the shelf.
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Post by: jdex on April 07, 2012, 06:30:29 PM

No crushing blow today .......just a double dose of defeat for Fisher. Ithaca prevails 8-3 and 10-9 ........
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Post by: airball55 on April 07, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
Fisher blows 9-2 lead going into bottom of 8th!!  Ithaca pitchers solid, not overpowering but solid.  Fisher now probablly has to return favor at home to get league crown.  D'amato won't miss that series.  Still, a nice weekend for Ithaca and for now a return to the top of the Empire 8.  They better win 30 though if they want an at large.  This league champ is no longer "guarenteed" that at large bid.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 16, 2012, 05:52:29 AM
Fisher responded well to the weekend sweep of Ithaca beating Oneonta, and taking 2 of 3 from Stevens. Fisher was probably one pitch away from sweeping Stevens, but a big 2 run homer was the difference in game one.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 16, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
Fisher had to win 2 of 3 at Stevens just to match Ithaca. If they're going to reel in the Bombers, they really needed all three. Ithaca already has their three wins against Utica in the bank, but Fisher still has to finish a nine-inning tie. That new one inning game is more like a coin toss, and they need that one too. Ithaca gets to play their next three aganst Stevens at home where fly balls to right field aren't Hoboken home runs. They play Utica at home too. Unless Ithaca stumbles badly, Fisher will never catch them.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 17, 2012, 06:03:06 AM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 16, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
Fisher had to win 2 of 3 at Stevens just to match Ithaca. If they're going to reel in the Bombers, they really needed all three. Ithaca already has their three wins against Utica in the bank, but Fisher still has to finish a nine-inning tie. That new one inning game is more like a coin toss, and they need that one too. Ithaca gets to play their next three aganst Stevens at home where fly balls to right field aren't Hoboken home runs. They play Utica at home too. Unless Ithaca stumbles badly, Fisher will never catch them.

No doubt. I was at the Fisher/IC games and I was really impressed with Ithaca. The pitching was much better than I expected and they looked very strong. Maybe the best team in NY. Is it possible the E8 gets 2 teams in? Fisher needs to win a bunch down the stretch but the win against Cortland can't hurt. If they can take 2 of 3 from IC, and get to like 28 wins it could happen.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 17, 2012, 06:03:06 AM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 16, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
Fisher had to win 2 of 3 at Stevens just to match Ithaca. If they're going to reel in the Bombers, they really needed all three. Ithaca already has their three wins against Utica in the bank, but Fisher still has to finish a nine-inning tie. That new one inning game is more like a coin toss, and they need that one too. Ithaca gets to play their next three aganst Stevens at home where fly balls to right field aren't Hoboken home runs. They play Utica at home too. Unless Ithaca stumbles badly, Fisher will never catch them.

No doubt. I was at the Fisher/IC games and I was really impressed with Ithaca. The pitching was much better than I expected and they looked very strong. Maybe the best team in NY. Is it possible the E8 gets 2 teams in? Fisher needs to win a bunch down the stretch but the win against Cortland can't hurt. If they can take 2 of 3 from IC, and get to like 28 wins it could happen.

No, just two Pool B bids nationally. It's likely going to be Ithaca or Fisher and not both.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 17, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
No, just two Pool B bids nationally. It's likely going to be Ithaca or Fisher and not both.
If Ithaca got a Pool B bid and Fisher didn't, isn't Fisher still eligible for a Pool C at-large bid just like every other team who didn't win their conference AQ?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 17, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
No, just two Pool B bids nationally. It's likely going to be Ithaca or Fisher and not both.
If Ithaca got a Pool B bid and Fisher didn't, isn't Fisher still eligible for a Pool C at-large bid just like every other team who didn't win their conference AQ?

Well yes, but I can't imagine a conference with four teams will be able to sneak two teams into the tournament. We'll know more when the regional rankings are released. At this point, Fisher is behind both Ithaca and Cortland. Losses to Westminster (Pa.) and Mount Aloysius definitely hurt.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 18, 2012, 08:37:57 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 17, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
No, just two Pool B bids nationally. It's likely going to be Ithaca or Fisher and not both.
If Ithaca got a Pool B bid and Fisher didn't, isn't Fisher still eligible for a Pool C at-large bid just like every other team who didn't win their conference AQ?
At this point, Fisher is behind both Ithaca and Cortland. Losses to Westminster (Pa.) and Mount Aloysius definitely hurt.

Those losses hurt for sure, but some of that has to be trumped by beating Cortland. I haven't seen a ton of teams this year, but Fisher, I would guess, is one of the top 5 teams in the region. I don't think it is that much of a stretch to have two teams in from the E8 if Fisher and IC both finish strong.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 18, 2012, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Well yes, but I can't imagine a conference with four teams will be able to sneak two teams into the tournament.

Conference? What conference? :)
The E8, at least for baseball, is more like a bizzaro anti-conference. What benefit do any of the four remaining teams derive from playing under that admnistrative umbrella? Ithaca and Fisher, two excellent NY teams, get to beat each other up six times this year. Utica burns nearly a third of their schedule playing those same two teams. Is that in Utica's best interest, or would they be better off facing some teams without NCAA aspirations? Fisher was slammed for a low SOS last year. Do they benefit from having to play so many games against Utica?

No AQ. No second-chance tournament. Stupid schedule. I think Fisher and Ithaca suffer enough as members of the E8 without having one of them dismissed because they happen to find themselves in the same lousy circumstances.

I guess the E8 baseball teams should be grateful that they have a "conference" schedule to play at all.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 18, 2012, 02:40:09 PM
The E8 did have a lot more going for it when Hartwick and RIT were playing, but it does seem to hinder teams more than help. I dont think this is unique to baseball (although that sport has been hit the hardest for sure). Football has seen teams come and go, and now has teams from Maryland replacing teams like Springfield and Norwich. And football is probably the conferences best sport. 

RIT has left in all sports and there are provisional memebers all over the map. What is causing that?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 18, 2012, 08:12:25 PM
Fisher scored two runs in each of the first 3 innings, and two more in the 8th today to beat U of R 8-5. Fisher needs to win a bunch coming down the stretch, and today made it 4 out of the last 5, and 3 in a row.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2012, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 18, 2012, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Well yes, but I can't imagine a conference with four teams will be able to sneak two teams into the tournament.

Conference? What conference? :)
The E8, at least for baseball, is more like a bizzaro anti-conference. What benefit do any of the four remaining teams derive from playing under that admnistrative umbrella? Ithaca and Fisher, two excellent NY teams, get to beat each other up six times this year. Utica burns nearly a third of their schedule playing those same two teams. Is that in Utica's best interest, or would they be better off facing some teams without NCAA aspirations? Fisher was slammed for a low SOS last year. Do they benefit from having to play so many games against Utica?

No AQ. No second-chance tournament. Stupid schedule. I think Fisher and Ithaca suffer enough as members of the E8 without having one of them dismissed because they happen to find themselves in the same lousy circumstances.

I guess the E8 baseball teams should be grateful that they have a "conference" schedule to play at all.
A question to inform me and understand the New York Region...

Would the E8 affiliate with the CUNYAC schools and send the Top 4 teams from each division to play for an AQ (after waiting 2 years for the AQ?)

CUNYAC rarely has a team in the Regionals.

E8 has missed Pool B several times.

It looks like a win/win to me.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 20, 2012, 06:11:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2012, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 18, 2012, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Well yes, but I can't imagine a conference with four teams will be able to sneak two teams into the tournament.

Conference? What conference? :)
The E8, at least for baseball, is more like a bizzaro anti-conference. What benefit do any of the four remaining teams derive from playing under that admnistrative umbrella? Ithaca and Fisher, two excellent NY teams, get to beat each other up six times this year. Utica burns nearly a third of their schedule playing those same two teams. Is that in Utica's best interest, or would they be better off facing some teams without NCAA aspirations? Fisher was slammed for a low SOS last year. Do they benefit from having to play so many games against Utica?

No AQ. No second-chance tournament. Stupid schedule. I think Fisher and Ithaca suffer enough as members of the E8 without having one of them dismissed because they happen to find themselves in the same lousy circumstances.

I guess the E8 baseball teams should be grateful that they have a "conference" schedule to play at all.
A question to inform me and understand the New York Region...

Would the E8 affiliate with the CUNYAC schools and send the Top 4 teams from each division to play for an AQ (after waiting 2 years for the AQ?)

CUNYAC rarely has a team in the Regionals.

E8 has missed Pool B several times.

It looks like a win/win to me.

Wow, I think that is a great idea. It would make life a lot easier for the E8 teams as they could build in some CUNYAC teams into a schedule packed with league games. The only issue I see is that the E8 only has 4 teams so Utica would get in without really earning it, but the idea has a lot to like. Somebody call someone and make this happen.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 20, 2012, 04:06:49 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 20, 2012, 06:11:35 AM
Wow, I think that is a great idea. It would make life a lot easier for the E8 teams as they could build in some CUNYAC teams into a schedule packed with league games. The only issue I see is that the E8 only has 4 teams so Utica would get in without really earning it, but the idea has a lot to like. Somebody call someone and make this happen.


Anything for an AQ!

Stevens has already played every baseball team in the CUNYAC this year. Those games account for 11 of their 18 wins. If they beat Lehman next week, they will have run the table and will stand at 12-0 against that conference. I wouldn't be too concerned that Utica might get a playoff position they didn't earn under Ralph's modest proposal. Those guys deserve medals for playing 12 games against Ithaca and Fisher. They'd be a good team in the CUNYAC. I'd be more concerned about finding a scoreboard with enough blank spaces if Ithaca were to play Yeshiva.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 20, 2012, 05:45:46 PM
Fisher pushes their first run of the game across the plate in the bottom of the ninth, but it was enough as Fisher wins 1-0. Damato pitched a great game and just barely out dueled the pitcher from Ithaca who was also great. Well played game that had all the aspects of a classic (including a play at the plate to keep the shutout going for Fisher. Big win for Fisher who still has Beaumont and Johnson back for tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 21, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
In the interest of an E8 baseball season that means something right to the end, I hope Fisher can close the gap with Ithaca this weekend -- at least 2 of 3. That would make the remaining games with Stevens and Utica a bit more interesting.

If it wasn't aparent in my earlier post, I'm all in favor of the E8 throwing in with the CUNYAC to secure an automatic qualifier. Ralph's idea makes too much sense to me; there must be some political or procedural reason it can't happen.

But don't dispair E8 fans. Houghton brings the league back to five teams next year with it's shiny, new, second-season baseball team.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 21, 2012, 04:47:49 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 21, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
In the interest of an E8 baseball season that means something right to the end, I hope Fisher can close the gap with Ithaca this weekend -- at least 2 of 3. That would make the remaining games with Stevens and Utica a bit more interesting.

If it wasn't aparent in my earlier post, I'm all in favor of the E8 throwing in with the CUNYAC to secure an automatic qualifier. Ralph's idea makes too much sense to me; there must be some political or procedural reason it can't happen.

But don't dispair E8 fans. Houghton brings the league back to five teams next year with it's shiny, new, second-season baseball team.

Whatever makes the conference more respectable right.

I think Fisher can take at least 1 of 2 tomorrow. The game in IC where Beaumont pitched and IC got him was a strange game. A lot of things just didn't go Fisher's way. Klock dropped what was a very routine fly ball in the first that scored 2, then lost another routine fly ball in the 8th I think that opened the door for IC to start the comeback. Fisher booted some balls they typically make plays on, and stranded a lot of runners as well. Even with all that Fisher was up 9-2 with 1 out in the 8th. Unfortunately Beaumont was out of gas and Fisher had used their bullpen a ton in the first 2 games. Not excuses, but if those quirky things don't happen this weekend I think Fisher has a big advantage with Beaumont on the mound. What Fisher really needs is a quality start from Johnson. If they can get some quality innings maybe they can steal 2 ( I am assuming they will start Johnson in the 7 in ing game to maximize the innings he can give them).

IC is really good, maybe the best team in the region, but hopefully Fisher can at least keep them in sight.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2012, 11:04:58 PM
If the conferences have reservations for sending the Top 4 teams from each "conference" in a CUNYAC/E8 affiliation, the sending the Top 3 from both might make more sense.

It is definitely easier to play a 6-team double elimination tourney (with 11 possible games) in the spring time than 8-team tourney and 15 possible games.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 22, 2012, 12:21:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2012, 11:04:58 PM
If the conferences have reservations for sending the Top 4 teams from each "conference" in a CUNYAC/E8 affiliation, the sending the Top 3 from both might make more sense.

It is definitely easier to play a 6-team double elimination tourney (with 11 possible games) in the spring time than 8-team tourney and 15 possible games.

I like the 6 team format more, since teams will have to do something to get into the tournament (admittedly not much), but either way I think the idea has a ton of merit to it. Both sides benefit, and could open some potential cross conference games against teams we don't see every year.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2012, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 22, 2012, 12:21:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2012, 11:04:58 PM
If the conferences have reservations for sending the Top 4 teams from each "conference" in a CUNYAC/E8 affiliation, the sending the Top 3 from both might make more sense.

It is definitely easier to play a 6-team double elimination tourney (with 11 possible games) in the spring time than 8-team tourney and 15 possible games.

I like the 6 team format more, since teams will have to do something to get into the tournament (admittedly not much), but either way I think the idea has a ton of merit to it. Both sides benefit, and could open some potential cross conference games against teams we don't see every year.
We have seen it in multiple sports at multiple levels. You cannot jump for 4th or 5th to first, but that first season of getting to 3rd and a tourney berth is very exciting.

I hope that they will consider it.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 22, 2012, 04:54:30 PM
Fisher took game 1 today against IC, so they are a game and a half back with one left to play against Ithaca. Fisher is down in game two, 4-1 in the 8th, so it doesn't look good for a league title, but at least they have put some pressure on IC. Also improved their chances of an at large bid. Let's hope they get some runs here...
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 22, 2012, 06:10:09 PM
Wow, wow, wow...Bostick Homers in the bottom of the 8th for Fisher to give them a one run lead, 5-4. Ithaca answers back with a run in the top of the 9th to send it to extra innings. Fisher scores in the bottom of the 10th to sweep the weekend series with Ithaca. A HUGE weekend for Fisher as they really needed something to make a statement. They are right in it for the league now, and those are three big wins for their at large resume.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 22, 2012, 06:36:57 PM
It was good to see this series with both teams rolling out the top pitchers.  Remember, D'amato did not pitch in the first series.  May have not made a difference that weekend, but still has to be considered.  Anyway, too bad there is no way to ever really settle it between these two programs.  I would expect Fisher to leapfrog Ithaca in region rankings now, especially with Ithaca losing to Rochester in the same week that Fisher completed the season sweep.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 23, 2012, 06:44:53 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 22, 2012, 06:36:57 PM
It was good to see this series with both teams rolling out the top pitchers.  Remember, D'amato did not pitch in the first series.  May have not made a difference that weekend, but still has to be considered.  Anyway, too bad there is no way to ever really settle it between these two programs.  I would expect Fisher to leapfrog Ithaca in region rankings now, especially with Ithaca losing to Rochester in the same week that Fisher completed the season sweep.

After watching both weekends of Fisher vs. Ithaca I think both teams deserve a spot in the regionals. I can't believe that there is that many teams out there good enough to keep them both out. They have to be two of the top 5 teams in the region.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 23, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 23, 2012, 06:44:53 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 22, 2012, 06:36:57 PM
It was good to see this series with both teams rolling out the top pitchers.  Remember, D'amato did not pitch in the first series.  May have not made a difference that weekend, but still has to be considered.  Anyway, too bad there is no way to ever really settle it between these two programs.  I would expect Fisher to leapfrog Ithaca in region rankings now, especially with Ithaca losing to Rochester in the same week that Fisher completed the season sweep.

After watching both weekends of Fisher vs. Ithaca I think both teams deserve a spot in the regionals. I can't believe that there is that many teams out there good enough to keep them both out. They have to be two of the top 5 teams in the region.

We'll see when the regional rankings come out where both stand - Ithaca, Fisher and Cortland all have to be in the top three I would imagine. Please do remember, the tournament, much like in other sports, isn't comprised regionally i.e. a certain number of teams from one region do not make the tournament. Everything is set up on a national basis so Ithaca and Fisher will be competing against teams from all over the country. Though, if one makes it into Pool B and the other drops to Pool C, a team like Marietta or Trinity (Texas) losing in their conference tournament takes a spot away from a team on the bubble.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 24, 2012, 06:09:47 AM
Did Rochester get hit with the snow storm that hit my area? If so, what are the chances that the Fisher/Brockport game happens on Wednesday.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 24, 2012, 06:30:43 AM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 17, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
No, just two Pool B bids nationally. It's likely going to be Ithaca or Fisher and not both.
If Ithaca got a Pool B bid and Fisher didn't, isn't Fisher still eligible for a Pool C at-large bid just like every other team who didn't win their conference AQ?
Has the E8 ever in the past got 2 bids? Never say never but if it has not, not likely in 2012. If you dont get a B bid you can still get a C bid. Pool A are awarded first for AQ Conferences, then B(for non AQ conferences and Independets) and then C bids(Who is left from Pool A/B) in that order.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 24, 2012, 06:34:24 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 24, 2012, 06:30:43 AM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 17, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
No, just two Pool B bids nationally. It's likely going to be Ithaca or Fisher and not both.
If Ithaca got a Pool B bid and Fisher didn't, isn't Fisher still eligible for a Pool C at-large bid just like every other team who didn't win their conference AQ?
Has the E8 ever in the past got 2 bids? Never say never but if it has not, not likely in 2012. If you dont get a B bid you can still get a C bid. Pool A are awarded first, then B and then C bids in that order.

Several years ago, sometime within the last 6 years, IC and Fisher both played in the regional. I can't tell you the exact year, but I think that was Fisher's first trip to the regional.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 24, 2012, 11:43:29 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 24, 2012, 06:34:24 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 24, 2012, 06:30:43 AM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 17, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 17, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
No, just two Pool B bids nationally. It's likely going to be Ithaca or Fisher and not both.
If Ithaca got a Pool B bid and Fisher didn't, isn't Fisher still eligible for a Pool C at-large bid just like every other team who didn't win their conference AQ?
Has the E8 ever in the past got 2 bids? Never say never but if it has not, not likely in 2012. If you dont get a B bid you can still get a C bid. Pool A are awarded first, then B and then C bids in that order.

Several years ago, sometime within the last 6 years, IC and Fisher both played in the regional. I can't tell you the exact year, but I think that was Fisher's first trip to the regional.

I believe it was 2008, both Fisher and Ithaca made it to Auburn. There were more Pool B bids available at the time.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on April 24, 2012, 11:55:49 AM
Obviously with an increase in AQ's, there has been a relative decrease in Pool B's available.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 24, 2012, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: rob on April 24, 2012, 11:55:49 AM
Obviously with an increase in AQ's, there has been a relative decrease in Pool B's available.

All the more reason for the E8 and CUNYAC to do something like we have been discussing on this board. I have not gone over to the CUNYAC board to see if anyone over there is talking about it, but I think it makes all the sense in the world from this end.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: magicman on April 25, 2012, 01:16:59 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 24, 2012, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: rob on April 24, 2012, 11:55:49 AM
Obviously with an increase in AQ's, there has been a relative decrease in Pool B's available.

All the more reason for the E8 and CUNYAC to do something like we have been discussing on this board. I have not gone over to the CUNYAC board to see if anyone over there is talking about it, but I think it makes all the sense in the world from this end.

There isn't anyone on the CUNYAC board talking about anything. And while a merger between the 2 leagues would be beneficial to both, as Ralph has stated, I really doubt that it will ever happen.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 25, 2012, 06:25:21 AM
Big game today for Fisher as far as the regional rankings go. Brockport beat Fisher earlier in the year, and has a good overall record. Fisher can really improve its post season resume with a win today.
I am wondering who will pitch for Fisher. It seems every week I go back and forth on what to do with the pitching staff. Fisher is going to want this game, but they can not sleep on Utica. I think I would start Beaumont and let Damato pitch the completion of the suspended game and start the game to follow (assuming they are back to back on Friday). I would back that up with Johnson and maybe Weber on Saturday.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 25, 2012, 10:29:00 AM
If I had D'Amato and Beaumont, I'd treat them like voting on election day -- early and often. I'd hate to look up at the end of the season and realize the I could have used them in a few more games. That's a simple-minded strategy, but you need to use them. They are certainly the best 1-2 in the E8. Earlier in the year, Fisher used D'Amato to beat Cortland and paid the price that weekend when Ithaca swept them. Did the trade pay off? With a win against Cortland and the later revenge-sweep of the second Ithaca weekend, I'd say, so far, yes.

I'd also trade a some strength in the upcoming Utica weekend for a better chance to beat Brockport. A win there completes a nice set of bookends, while an unlikely loss at Utica is more likely to be viewed as a lucky day for Utica than a chink in Fisher's armor.

With no AQ for the E8, is it more important to win the league or build a more impressive "national' record? Against Cortland, Fisher voted for the record. After last year's tournament snub, I can't say I blame them. Time to double down against Brockport.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 25, 2012, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 25, 2012, 10:29:00 AM
If I had D'Amato and Beaumont, I'd treat them like voting on election day -- early and often. I'd hate to look up at the end of the season and realize the I could have used them in a few more games. That's a simple-minded strategy, but you need to use them. They are certainly the best 1-2 in the E8. Earlier in the year, Fisher used D'Amato to beat Cortland and paid the price that weekend when Ithaca swept them. Did the trade pay off? With a win against Cortland and the later revenge-sweep of the second Ithaca weekend, I'd say, so far, yes.

I'd also trade a some strength in the upcoming Utica weekend for a better chance to beat Brockport. A win there completes a nice set of bookends, while an unlikely loss at Utica is more likely to be viewed as a lucky day for Utica than a chink in Fisher's armor.

With no AQ for the E8, is it more important to win the league or build a more impressive "national' record? Against Cortland, Fisher voted for the record. After last year's tournament snub, I can't say I blame them. Time to double down against Brockport.

You sold me. I think Fisher played for a Pool C bid with the decision to pitch D'amato against Cortland, and I agree with you that the decision paid off (so far).
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 25, 2012, 02:10:20 PM
Last season Fisher swept Brockport and that got them no place.  It is so hard to project what goes through the minds of the regional committee's when it comes time to say who is in and who is not.  Traditionally the SUNYAC gets the benefit of the doubt as being the best league in the region and that is certainly so in my mind.  Not sure about this year yet.  U guys are right though, Fisher needs to get this one more then Brockport does.  I still don't think that the Cards get the respect they deserve, it's funny that Ithaca had a nice run there and jumped all the way to 16th in the country.  I highly doubt if that was St. John Fisher in that boat, they would have got the same ranking.  I guess that happens when your the new kid on the block. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 25, 2012, 06:30:51 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 25, 2012, 02:10:20 PM
Last season Fisher swept Brockport and that got them no place.  It is so hard to project what goes through the minds of the regional committee's when it comes time to say who is in and who is not.  Traditionally the SUNYAC gets the benefit of the doubt as being the best league in the region and that is certainly so in my mind.  Not sure about this year yet.  U guys are right though, Fisher needs to get this one more then Brockport does.  I still don't think that the Cards get the respect they deserve, it's funny that Ithaca had a nice run there and jumped all the way to 16th in the country.  I highly doubt if that was St. John Fisher in that boat, they would have got the same ranking.  I guess that happens when your the new kid on the block.

Fisher won today, beating Brockport 3-2. Tim Sylvester came on in relief of D'Amato after 2 and a third, and pitched great. Fisher now 23-8.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 25, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
It's a pretty good day for E8 baseball all around. Ithaca also beats Oneonta 6-4, visiting Utica takes two against Clarkson and yesterday, Stevens beat Lehman and ran its record against the CUNYAC to a perfect 12-0.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 26, 2012, 06:38:13 AM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 25, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
It's a pretty good day for E8 baseball all around. Ithaca also beats Oneonta 6-4, visiting Utica takes two against Clarkson and yesterday, Stevens beat Lehman and ran its record against the CUNYAC to a perfect 12-0.

Stevens has had a pretty good year so far. It is really too bad that they are stuck playing Fisher and IC so many times as there record could be even more impressive. If nothing else, the few teams in the E8 are competitive.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 27, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Regional rankings are out and look like this:

1) Cortland State
2) St. John Fisher
3) Farmingdale State
4) Old Westbury
5) Skidmore
6) Brockport

Surprised Ithaca is not in the mix?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 27, 2012, 11:45:39 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 27, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Regional rankings are out and look like this:

1) Cortland State
2) St. John Fisher
3) Farmingdale State
4) Old Westbury
5) Skidmore
6) Brockport

Surprised Ithaca is not in the mix?

Very surprised given a 14-6-1 regional record. Only bad in-region loss IMO to Rochester. Ithaca also has in-region losses to Stevens, Old Westbury and Fisher.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on April 28, 2012, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 27, 2012, 11:45:39 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 27, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Regional rankings are out and look like this:

1) Cortland State
2) St. John Fisher
3) Farmingdale State
4) Old Westbury
5) Skidmore
6) Brockport

Surprised Ithaca is not in the mix?

Very surprised given a 14-6-1 regional record. Only bad in-region loss IMO to Rochester. Ithaca also has in-region losses to Stevens, Old Westbury and Fisher.
Only 21 in-region games may affect the voting also.  Most teams have played closer to 30.  I know there are a few execeptions throughout the regional rankings but a bigger sampling can only help.  14-6-1 is good but not great.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 28, 2012, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: rob on April 28, 2012, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 27, 2012, 11:45:39 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 27, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Regional rankings are out and look like this:

1) Cortland State
2) St. John Fisher
3) Farmingdale State
4) Old Westbury
5) Skidmore
6) Brockport

Surprised Ithaca is not in the mix?

Very surprised given a 14-6-1 regional record. Only bad in-region loss IMO to Rochester. Ithaca also has in-region losses to Stevens, Old Westbury and Fisher.
Only 21 in-region games may affect the voting also.  Most teams have played closer to 30.  I know there are a few execeptions throughout the regional rankings but a bigger sampling can only help.  14-6-1 is good but not great.

Fisher takes game one of the double dip today, 4-0. Beaumont pitches all 7 innings, 5 hits, no runs.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 28, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Fisher took game 2 today as well. 12-6. Any word on how IC/Stevens is going?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on April 28, 2012, 08:52:34 PM

Ithaca 5-1, 11-1
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 29, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
Looks like Fisher won the continuation game against Utica, and pounded the ball all over the place in the regularly scheduled game to get back to even with Ithaca atop the E8 at 11-4. Fisher has now won 11 straight.

Ithaca really put the pressure on Fisher with three wins this weekend against Stevens. Fisher will need to try and sweep Stevens now. If both teams end up with the same record, how does that work for a league title. Do they just share it since there is no AQ to play for.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on April 30, 2012, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 29, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
If both teams end up with the same record, how does that work for a league title. Do they just share it since there is no AQ to play for.

From the E8 site:
Quote8.1 Conference Champion

8.1.1
The conference champion will be determined using a point system:
      Win = 2 points
      Tie = 1 point
      Loss = 0 points

8.1.2 If two teams are tied with the most points, the champion will be determined by head-to-head competition. If the two teams split their games, the teams will be designated co-champions.

8.1.3
Each team is required to play all league games unless weather prohibits playing with a minimum of 14 games needed to be played to determine a conference champion, based on winning percentage. In the event of a postponement, league games are to be made up on the first available date after the originally scheduled contest.


That tiebreaker document is from 2008 so the reference to 14 games may not be valid anymore. But it looks like same league record, same record head-to-head means co-champions.

Fisher and Ithaca left nothing to chance this weekend. On Sunday, Utica had a good shot to gum up the works for Fisher as they jumped out to a 2 run lead in the continuation game but lost in the bottom half of the inning on a walk-off grand slam.

The upcoming last conference games still matter for the league championship.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 30, 2012, 06:31:53 PM
Stevens will still have a lot to say about the regional as it will be interesting to see what happens if Fisher loses one to Stevens, but wins out otherwise (giving them something like 32 wins, and ranked in the top part of the region (#2 now)), and Ithaca sweeps Utica. How can you leave out a team like IC and put in a team like Fisher if IC wins the league?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 30, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 30, 2012, 06:31:53 PM
Stevens will still have a lot to say about the regional as it will be interesting to see what happens if Fisher loses one to Stevens, but wins out otherwise (giving them something like 32 wins, and ranked in the top part of the region (#2 now)), and Ithaca sweeps Utica. How can you leave out a team like IC and put in a team like Fisher if IC wins the league?

League champion didn't go to the regionals last year.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 30, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
No it did not.  There really is no way to determine who will get in.  Last year was the first time that I can recall that this "league" did not get a bid.  That may be a precedent that both of those clubs don't want to see started.  Question is, would a committee put two teams in the regional from Pool B that play in NY.  I can't see it.  I do think though that Fisher is probably in minus a catastrophe.  I also think Ithaca can make a decent argument... they could use a win against Cortland St. though, and Fisher has that.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 01, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 30, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
No it did not.  There really is no way to determine who will get in.  Last year was the first time that I can recall that this "league" did not get a bid.  That may be a precedent that both of those clubs don't want to see started.  Question is, would a committee put two teams in the regional from Pool B that play in NY.  I can't see it.  I do think though that Fisher is probably in minus a catastrophe.  I also think Ithaca can make a decent argument... they could use a win against Cortland St. though, and Fisher has that.

If Fisher can finish 3-3 they will have 30 wins and will most likely still be ranked in the regional. I would imagine that is enough to get in, with wins over Cortland, IC (3), and Brockport. I guess my question was what happens to Ithaca if they win the league but Fisher has done enough that it is impossible to leave them out. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on May 01, 2012, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 01, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 30, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
No it did not.  There really is no way to determine who will get in.  Last year was the first time that I can recall that this "league" did not get a bid.  That may be a precedent that both of those clubs don't want to see started.  Question is, would a committee put two teams in the regional from Pool B that play in NY.  I can't see it.  I do think though that Fisher is probably in minus a catastrophe.  I also think Ithaca can make a decent argument... they could use a win against Cortland St. though, and Fisher has that.

If Fisher can finish 3-3 they will have 30 wins and will most likely still be ranked in the regional. I would imagine that is enough to get in, with wins over Cortland, IC (3), and Brockport. I guess my question was what happens to Ithaca if they win the league but Fisher has done enough that it is impossible to leave them out.
As of right now I would say Fisher is in and Ithaca is out.  I also don't think Ithaca can do enough to get in.  A very good season, but not good enough.
IF Fisher goes 3-3 as you say, 30 wins is nice but this is a bad time of the year to lose 3 games in two weeks.  3-3 puts them on the bubble, I think.  Anything better gets them in.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 01, 2012, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: rob on May 01, 2012, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 01, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 30, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
No it did not.  There really is no way to determine who will get in.  Last year was the first time that I can recall that this "league" did not get a bid.  That may be a precedent that both of those clubs don't want to see started.  Question is, would a committee put two teams in the regional from Pool B that play in NY.  I can't see it.  I do think though that Fisher is probably in minus a catastrophe.  I also think Ithaca can make a decent argument... they could use a win against Cortland St. though, and Fisher has that.

If Fisher can finish 3-3 they will have 30 wins and will most likely still be ranked in the regional. I would imagine that is enough to get in, with wins over Cortland, IC (3), and Brockport. I guess my question was what happens to Ithaca if they win the league but Fisher has done enough that it is impossible to leave them out.
As of right now I would say Fisher is in and Ithaca is out.  I also don't think Ithaca can do enough to get in.  A very good season, but not good enough.
IF Fisher goes 3-3 as you say, 30 wins is nice but this is a bad time of the year to lose 3 games in two weeks.  3-3 puts them on the bubble, I think.  Anything better gets them in.

I agree with your thoughts about Fisher going 3-3. I would say 4-2 they will have a solid case, but losing the third game would put them right on the bubble. If Fisher takes all 3 from Stevens then my question is basically mute anyway. Hopefully Fisher will just get it done.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 04, 2012, 06:21:30 AM
The new regional rankings are out and Ithaca goes from out of the rankings all the way up to 4th.

Cortland
Fisher
Farmingdale
Ithaca
Old Westbury
Brockport

Not surprised that Ithaca jumped into the rankings, but a big jump to leap frog at least three teams. Good for the E8.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: WrongArm on May 05, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 04, 2012, 06:21:30 AMNot surprised that Ithaca jumped into the rankings, but a big jump to leap frog at least three teams. Good for the E8.

Maybe better for the E8, but not better for Fisher. Personally, I think that the remainder of the E8 season should be no more important than any other in region games for the selection committee. All those teams have already played each other three times and Fisher and Ithaca six times. But if Fisher stumbles against Stevens and Ithaca sweeps Utica, watch the PR machine on South Hill ramp up to a fever pitch proclaiming that Ithaca is, once again, the E8 baseball champion, citing obscure historical wining percentages and consecutive championships. The May, 1 ABCA poll placed Fisher at #26 behind only Cortland (#4) in New York, but the D3baseball.com/NCBWA poll actually has Ithaca ahead of Fisher by a few points just outside the top 25. I'd never count Ithaca out.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: WrongArm on May 05, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 04, 2012, 06:21:30 AMNot surprised that Ithaca jumped into the rankings, but a big jump to leap frog at least three teams. Good for the E8.

Maybe better for the E8, but not better for Fisher. Personally, I think that the remainder of the E8 season should be no more important than any other in region games for the selection committee. All those teams have already played each other three times and Fisher and Ithaca six times. But if Fisher stumbles against Stevens and Ithaca sweeps Utica, watch the PR machine on South Hill ramp up to a fever pitch proclaiming that Ithaca is, once again, the E8 baseball champion, citing obscure historical wining percentages and consecutive championships. The May, 1 ABCA poll placed Fisher at #26 behind only Cortland (#4) in New York, but the D3baseball.com/NCBWA poll actually has Ithaca ahead of Fisher by a few points just outside the top 25. I'd never count Ithaca out.

1)  Ithaca getting into the Regional Rankings is very good for SJF. They have 3 wins over that "regionally ranked" teams.

2) Please remember in the context of Pool B/C consideration, neither Poll, NCBWA or ABCA, influences the committee decision on playoff bids.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 05, 2012, 07:00:41 PM
Wrongarm is dead on with his assessment.  There is no way that two teams from this region from a non-AQ league will get an at-large and Fisher is still a bit of an outcast in regards to the name of Ithaca and post season history.  Although the higher ranking of Ithaca does help Fisher theoretically, I think what Wrongarm is alluding to is that if these two teams are dead even, Ithaca gets more help from administrators then Fisher.  I am in agreement with that.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 05, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
May be a moot point now guys.  Fisher drops a DH at home to Stevens.  Just a crushing DH defeat this time of year at home.  30 wins may now not be enough.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 06, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 05, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
May be a moot point now guys.  Fisher drops a DH at home to Stevens.  Just a crushing DH defeat this time of year at home.  30 wins may now not be enough.

Yeah, Fisher really did serious harm to their resume by getting swept yesterday. That will throw them into the pool C conversation and gives Ithaca a serious claim to get a bid ahead of Fisher. Maybe it is just my lack of knowledge of the selection process (which I admit is seriously limited), but it seems nuts to me that Fisher and Ithaca would not get in. Who is going to get in over them? The LL is a one bid league and the SUNYAC doesn't have much after Cortland. If Cortland wins The SUNYAC tournament I see them both getting in, but you guys know way more about this than I do.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 06, 2012, 02:37:09 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 06, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 05, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
May be a moot point now guys.  Fisher drops a DH at home to Stevens.  Just a crushing DH defeat this time of year at home.  30 wins may now not be enough.

Yeah, Fisher really did serious harm to their resume by getting swept yesterday. That will throw them into the pool C conversation and gives Ithaca a serious claim to get a bid ahead of Fisher. Maybe it is just my lack of knowledge of the selection process (which I admit is seriously limited), but it seems nuts to me that Fisher and Ithaca would not get in. Who is going to get in over them? The LL is a one bid league and the SUNYAC doesn't have much after Cortland. If Cortland wins The SUNYAC tournament I see them both getting in, but you guys know way more about this than I do.

Cortland did beat Brockport today to win the SUNYAC tournament and automatic bid.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: OshDude on May 06, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 06, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 05, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
May be a moot point now guys.  Fisher drops a DH at home to Stevens.  Just a crushing DH defeat this time of year at home.  30 wins may now not be enough.

Yeah, Fisher really did serious harm to their resume by getting swept yesterday. That will throw them into the pool C conversation and gives Ithaca a serious claim to get a bid ahead of Fisher. Maybe it is just my lack of knowledge of the selection process (which I admit is seriously limited), but it seems nuts to me that Fisher and Ithaca would not get in. Who is going to get in over them? The LL is a one bid league and the SUNYAC doesn't have much after Cortland. If Cortland wins The SUNYAC tournament I see them both getting in, but you guys know way more about this than I do.
It's a national selection process. IC and SJF are in the same Pool B "conference" as Wash U, Chicago, Emory, Huntingdon and others. Wash U and Chicago were ranked first and second in the second Central Region rankings.

As of last week, IC and SJF would have to be better, in theory, than the entire Central Region for both E8 teams to get in as a Pool B at this point. But all four could get in via Pool B and/or Pool C bids. Could very well happen. Next week's regional rankings should give us a better idea.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on May 06, 2012, 10:10:16 PM
One of the few teams in NY to play some of those teams from the Central region is UR, as they play them twice every year in Florida in the UAA tourney.  I can tell you from seeing them both play several times that both Emory and Wash U are as good or better than IC or Fisher.  No disrespect intended toward either IC or Fisher (I would rather see NY teams in the dance), I'm just trying to point out that there are many good teams out there.
   
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 09, 2012, 11:00:32 PM
I don't agree with that assessment.  I have seen Washington and Fisher and Ithaca are better then that club.  Also, fisher did beat Aurora who would crap all over those teams in a series of seven games.  Just my opinion but our top teams (Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca) are as good as most of the top teams in the other regions.  Don't know much about Emory, except they tend to be like most of the southern teams, beat up on the snowbirds then fade away.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 10, 2012, 05:55:52 AM
When does the NCAA make the selections for regionals?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on May 10, 2012, 07:58:16 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 09, 2012, 11:00:32 PM
I don't agree with that assessment.  I have seen Washington and Fisher and Ithaca are better then that club.  Also, fisher did beat Aurora who would crap all over those teams in a series of seven games.  Just my opinion but our top teams (Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca) are as good as most of the top teams in the other regions.  Don't know much about Emory, except they tend to be like most of the southern teams, beat up on the snowbirds then fade away.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, airball.  While I agree that our top teams are as good as the top teams in other regions, I would not exclude Wash U or Emory from competing favorably (and even potentially coming out on top) if they played in the NY regional.

Maybe I just need to rephrase it.  I was just trying to point out that teams looking for a pool bid sometimes have too narrow a view of the competition and there are teams that they don't get to see that may be just as deserving of getting into the dance.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on May 10, 2012, 08:55:18 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 09, 2012, 11:00:32 PM
I don't agree with that assessment.  I have seen Washington and Fisher and Ithaca are better then that club.  Also, fisher did beat Aurora who would crap all over those teams in a series of seven games.  Just my opinion but our top teams (Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca) are as good as most of the top teams in the other regions.  Don't know much about Emory, except they tend to be like most of the southern teams, beat up on the snowbirds then fade away.
Speaking about Emory, they have made the DIII World Series three times in the last twelve years, finishing second in 2007.  I think that program has earned more respect than to be characterized as just a team that beats up on snowbirds then fades away.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on May 10, 2012, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 10, 2012, 05:55:52 AM
When does the NCAA make the selections for regionals?
Sunday night, in fact the selections are usually announced in the early morning hours of Monday.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2012, 08:01:38 PM
Emory I will give you.  Washington U. no way.  Good programs, our top three can also compete in any region, I think that was more for what I was going for.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 11, 2012, 06:14:54 AM
New Regional Rankings have Ithaca at 3 and Fisher at 4. Fisher really could use one of those two losses to Stevens back.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 12, 2012, 09:25:37 PM
Fisher's strength of schedule is in the top 60 in the country.  Should help them some.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 13, 2012, 07:04:05 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 12, 2012, 09:25:37 PM
Fisher's strength of schedule is in the top 60 in the country.  Should help them some.

I hope so. Looking over the criteria that is used for decisions yesterday I became less and less confident in Fisher making the tournament. I am hoping they still will, but...

I wonder why Fisher didn't try to reschedule the rain out, or schedule another team to get to the 30 win mark? Seems pointless to sit idle for over a week when you are on the bubble.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 13, 2012, 02:36:19 PM
Lots of factors there.  I don't think another win is going to change minds or anything like that.  29 wins is a school record! and a loss would hurt more then a win would help.  Also, it can be hard to get teams to play as well.  They tried to pick up games last year and could only get Alvernia and they had to travel to play there.  Not worth it to travel.  They have done what they could, we have to sit back and see what the committees think of Fisher and Ithaca.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: magicman on May 14, 2012, 04:31:30 AM
Ithaca gets a Pool B bid and is in the regional at Farmingdale that has 6 teams. Cortland is the top seed in that regional.


Hosted by the SUNY-Farmingdale, Farmingdale, N.Y.

1   SUNY Cortland (30-7-1)
2   Farmingdale State (29-10)
3   Ithaca (27-8-1)
4   Misericordia (36-8)
5   Skidmore (30-15)
6   Castleton (33-14)




St. John Fisher has recieved a Pool C bid and is in the regional at Marietta, Ohio. They are the #4 seed out of 8 teams.

Hosted by Marietta, Marietta, Ohio

1   Marietta (37-6)
2   Washington and Jefferson (35-8)
3   Adrian (35-8)
4   St. John Fisher (29-10)
5   Westminster (Pa.) (33-9)
6   Wooster (27-16)
7   Manchester (25-19)
8   La Roche (25-16)


Here's a link to all the regionals:    http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2012/05/playoff-field







Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 14, 2012, 05:55:26 AM
Very happy with the decision to put Fisher and IC into the tournament. That is the good news. The bad news is Fisher is seeded behind the #1, #10, and #14 teams in the country. I can't argue with it, but that is a tough road to the series.

Fisher is going to need some pitchers not named d'amato and Beaumont to really step up.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 14, 2012, 09:03:53 AM
Yes, I agree with that 100%.  Cortland to me is as close as a sure thing is there is in the tournament now with Fisher getting shipped.  Fisher has already beat Westminster, so they have that going for them.  The NY regional is certainly Cortland's to lose, although I could see Ithaca coming out of that now with Fisher out and no one else from say the NJAC or Little East getting shipped in.  Regardless, the NY region did okay with the selections and it wasn't really all that close with the seatings being what they were (Ithaca 3, Fisher 4). 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on May 14, 2012, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 14, 2012, 09:03:53 AM
Yes, I agree with that 100%.  Cortland to me is as close as a sure thing is there is in the tournament now with Fisher getting shipped.  Fisher has already beat Westminster, so they have that going for them.  The NY regional is certainly Cortland's to lose, although I could see Ithaca coming out of that now with Fisher out and no one else from say the NJAC or Little East getting shipped in.  Regardless, the NY region did okay with the selections and it wasn't really all that close with the seatings being what they were (Ithaca 3, Fisher 4).
No such thing as a sure thing in baseball.  All 6 teams are in the Regional because they all have a chance to win.
Especially Farmingdale, who is playing on their home field and won the Regional the last time they hosted, 3 years ago.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 14, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
Bring a mid-east region fan up to speed on the St. John Fisher squad.  I quickly glanced at their season stats, and it looks like they have a couple of solid arms and it sure looks like they can swing it a little hitting .340 and 26 HR's on the year.

What is their "style?" (small ball, move runners, etc.)

D'Amato, from the numbers looks like a strike out guy.  Does he throw hard, good breaking stuff.  What about the rest of the staff?

We are looking forward to the Cardinals coming to the Mid-Ohio Valley for the tournament.  If you are coming and need some info about the area, ask me (I'm a local).  If you are used to the big city atmosphere, Marietta is the polar opposite.  The weather is supposed to be great from Wednesday through Sunday. 

I'm hoping to catch all of the games (I'll be sitting behind home plate in the second row for most of the tournament) if you are there, stop by and say "hello." 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 14, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 14, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
Bring a mid-east region fan up to speed on the St. John Fisher squad.  I quickly glanced at their season stats, and it looks like they have a couple of solid arms and it sure looks like they can swing it a little hitting .340 and 26 HR's on the year.

What is their "style?" (small ball, move runners, etc.)

D'Amato, from the numbers looks like a strike out guy.  Does he throw hard, good breaking stuff.  What about the rest of the staff?

We are looking forward to the Cardinals coming to the Mid-Ohio Valley for the tournament.  If you are coming and need some info about the area, ask me (I'm a local).  If you are used to the big city atmosphere, Marietta is the polar opposite.  The weather is supposed to be great from Wednesday through Sunday. 

I'm hoping to catch all of the games (I'll be sitting behind home plate in the second row for most of the tournament) if you are there, stop by and say "hello."

I am trying to figure out how to get to the regional without having my wife leave me in the process. If I make it I will be sure to stop by.

Fisher is led by their two big arms, D'Amato and Beaumont. Both have high quality fastballs and mix in breaking stuff to keep hitters off balance. Beaumont spent the previous year as a starter at a D2 school in Florida, and has been what I hoped he would be all year. Two of his losses were in 2-1 games, and another he had a 9-2 lead in the 8th. The third starter, Tim Johnson, has good numbers but has not faces the best lineups as a general rule. He is very capable of putting up a good performance however.

The Fisher lineup is dangerous. They can hot the long ball but have been good (not great) at moving runners etc. They score runs in a lot of ways. The best hitter is Steve Karnyski who hits lead off. Don't sleep on any hitter as they had 6 players hitting over .400 more than half way through the season.

Fisher is a solid team, and has some quality wins this year (Cortland/Aurora/Westminster) but the pitching is thin after the top few starters and some bullpen guys. If they can get solid performances from some extra pitchers I think the hitting will be there. It is an uphill battle for them as the regional looks to be loaded, but it will be fun to see them compete with some teams from outside the area. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 15, 2012, 09:22:51 AM
Thanks for the info....

Sounds like the Cardinals will be a formidable opponent.  It could easily be a second round matchup between them and Marietta.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 16, 2012, 06:01:28 AM
Day one of the regional is here. Glad Fisher is starting early. I couldn't make it to the regional so I will be watching online. Maybe over the weekend if Fisher is still in it.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on May 16, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 10, 2012, 08:01:38 PM
Emory I will give you.  Washington U. no way.  Good programs, our top three can also compete in any region, I think that was more for what I was going for.
Hey airball, pretty funny that after our "debate" all four teams in the discussion - Fisher, Ithaca, Emory, and Wash U. all made the tournament!  Good luck to all of them.  I think they all deserve to be there.

As a UR guy, I take solace in the fact that the Jackets had to play 12 games (including Skidmore) aganst tournament bound teams this year and competed in most of them - getting wins in Ithaca and against Wash U in Florida.  Throw in a win in Brockport, a 13-4 run down the stretch, and the return of their entire pitching staff + added experience for lots of starting underclassmen and I think the future is looking bright in Rochester.

Good luck to the NY teams still playing!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 16, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Fisher got off to a good start at their regional, as they beat Westminster 13-7. Fisher had 18 hits, and D'Amato was good as usual. He is now 11-0 on the year. Fisher will have Beaumont ready for tomorrow, and it looks like he will need everything he has as Marietta is putting to Laroche in game 2, 10-2. Should be a fun couple of days, and hopefully Fisher can stick around for a while.

I saw Cortland won today 7-6 in the NY regional. I would love to see Ithaca and Fisher both do well in the regionals. E8 pride and all that.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 17, 2012, 06:10:43 PM
That is kind of neat all the teams got in.  And it really wasn't all that close judging by the seeds of the teams.  Fisher is going to be a tough out anywhere they go... I think Cortland got a huge break when they got shipped out.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 17, 2012, 09:06:54 PM
Fisher took down Marietta today in the Mideast regional to move to 2-0. They play the winner of Adrian and Manchester tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 17, 2012, 09:53:35 PM
Nice win for the NY region there...
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2012, 08:03:14 PM
The E8 always loves a win over the OAC.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 20, 2012, 08:34:34 PM
Marietta came back and won the regional in the Mideast.  Too bad we will never see what would have happened if Fisher stayed in NY where they would have had a heck of a chance to come out of.  Good season though for the Cards and the Bombers as the little empire 8 had two teams make the post season. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 20, 2012, 08:34:34 PM
Marietta came back and won the regional in the Mideast.  Too bad we will never see what would have happened if Fisher stayed in NY where they would have had a heck of a chance to come out of.  Good season though for the Cards and the Bombers as the little empire 8 had two teams make the post season.
I thought that SJFC's going to Marietta was great.  It gave the E8 a good chance at two trips to Wisconsin.

I picked both Cortland State and Marietta to win their regionals, so I saw no difference in the 2 regions as obstacles on the road to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: pudge27 on May 21, 2012, 11:01:27 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 20, 2012, 08:34:34 PM
Marietta came back and won the regional in the Mideast.  Too bad we will never see what would have happened if Fisher stayed in NY where they would have had a heck of a chance to come out of.  Good season though for the Cards and the Bombers as the little empire 8 had two teams make the post season.
I thought that SJFC's going to Marietta was great.  It gave the E8 a good chance at two trips to Wisconsin.

I picked both Cortland State and Marietta to win their regionals, so I saw no difference in the 2 regions as obstacles on the road to Wisconsin.



I'm really happy that Fisher got in and represented themselves well.  I also think that it's also fair to say that after dropping 2 to Stevens late in the season, they should have been thrilled if they got shipped out west and had to play the Texas Rangers.  Staying in the NY region wouldn't have added any pitching depth, which is what all the teams in the Series have. 

The draw is the draw is the draw.  Few years back, CSt was riding a 38 game winning streak into the series and as a "thanks for coming", they get Trinity (of the 41 and 0 Trinity) in the first round, losing in the 9th if I remember correctly.  It is what it is and you've got to beat who's in front of you.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on May 21, 2012, 01:01:19 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on May 21, 2012, 11:01:27 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 20, 2012, 08:34:34 PM
Marietta came back and won the regional in the Mideast.  Too bad we will never see what would have happened if Fisher stayed in NY where they would have had a heck of a chance to come out of.  Good season though for the Cards and the Bombers as the little empire 8 had two teams make the post season.
I thought that SJFC's going to Marietta was great.  It gave the E8 a good chance at two trips to Wisconsin.

I picked both Cortland State and Marietta to win their regionals, so I saw no difference in the 2 regions as obstacles on the road to Wisconsin.




I'm really happy that Fisher got in and represented themselves well.  I also think that it's also fair to say that after dropping 2 to Stevens late in the season, they should have been thrilled if they got shipped out west and had to play the Texas Rangers.  Staying in the NY region wouldn't have added any pitching depth, which is what all the teams in the Series have. 

The draw is the draw is the draw.  Few years back, CSt was riding a 38 game winning streak into the series and as a "thanks for coming", they get Trinity (of the 41 and 0 Trinity) in the first round, losing in the 9th if I remember correctly.  It is what it is and you've got to beat who's in front of you.
Very well said!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 21, 2012, 09:09:02 PM
Not many Skidmores and Castleton's in the the ole' mideast.  The NY region is commonly thought of as being the weakest, and we always hope that the NY teams come out of it, not like the Trinity's of a couple years back.  All I am saying is that Fisher did beat Cortland in the season and.... it is all speculative.  As for picking Cortland and Marietta, I think 29 out of 30 people would have picked that... I thought maybe Ithaca had an outside shot to do some damage.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 22, 2012, 06:02:36 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 21, 2012, 09:09:02 PM
Not many Skidmores and Castleton's in the the ole' mideast.  The NY region is commonly thought of as being the weakest, and we always hope that the NY teams come out of it, not like the Trinity's of a couple years back.  All I am saying is that Fisher did beat Cortland in the season and.... it is all speculative.  As for picking Cortland and Marietta, I think 29 out of 30 people would have picked that... I thought maybe Ithaca had an outside shot to do some damage.

Agreed about the strength of teams in the Mideast regional, and also think Fisher could have had more luck in a 6 team regional (Manchester would not have been there anyway), but also think that the decision to send them to Ohio was the correct one. Ithaca deserved the NY region bid for winning the league, and Cortland is Cortland. Farmingdale was the host, so there wasn't much else to do with Fisher. Could Skidmore or Castleton have been sent out west? I guess but I don't think it was wrong to send Fisher out there.

Fisher showed well and impressed a few people. They are still building the program, and that experience will make them better.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2012, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 22, 2012, 06:02:36 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 21, 2012, 09:09:02 PM
Not many Skidmores and Castleton's in the the ole' mideast.  The NY region is commonly thought of as being the weakest, and we always hope that the NY teams come out of it, not like the Trinity's of a couple years back.  All I am saying is that Fisher did beat Cortland in the season and.... it is all speculative.  As for picking Cortland and Marietta, I think 29 out of 30 people would have picked that... I thought maybe Ithaca had an outside shot to do some damage.

Agreed about the strength of teams in the Mideast regional, and also think Fisher could have had more luck in a 6 team regional (Manchester would not have been there anyway), but also think that the decision to send them to Ohio was the correct one. Ithaca deserved the NY region bid for winning the league, and Cortland is Cortland. Farmingdale was the host, so there wasn't much else to do with Fisher. Could Skidmore or Castleton have been sent out west? I guess but I don't think it was wrong to send Fisher out there.
Fisher showed well and impressed a few people. They are still building the program, and that experience will make them better.
I think that that travel arrangements dictated that they fill Central first. Any leftovers west of Memphis were divided between the Midwest and West Regionals.

Now that you have three regionals (including 2 of the 6-team regionals), your next travel areas include getting teams from Maine into the New England Regional and filling the South Regional which you can fill as a 6-team bracket.

When those are filled, then filling the rest of the sites with teams inside 500 miles and getting brackets that look like a 1 thru 8 seed or a 1 thru 6 seed were the next challenges.

Ithaca went in as a B. SJFC was left on the table until they came up for a Pool C bid.

I really like splitting conferences into different regionals, if you can.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 22, 2012, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2012, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 22, 2012, 06:02:36 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 21, 2012, 09:09:02 PM
Not many Skidmores and Castleton's in the the ole' mideast.  The NY region is commonly thought of as being the weakest, and we always hope that the NY teams come out of it, not like the Trinity's of a couple years back.  All I am saying is that Fisher did beat Cortland in the season and.... it is all speculative.  As for picking Cortland and Marietta, I think 29 out of 30 people would have picked that... I thought maybe Ithaca had an outside shot to do some damage.

Agreed about the strength of teams in the Mideast regional, and also think Fisher could have had more luck in a 6 team regional (Manchester would not have been there anyway), but also think that the decision to send them to Ohio was the correct one. Ithaca deserved the NY region bid for winning the league, and Cortland is Cortland. Farmingdale was the host, so there wasn't much else to do with Fisher. Could Skidmore or Castleton have been sent out west? I guess but I don't think it was wrong to send Fisher out there.
Fisher showed well and impressed a few people. They are still building the program, and that experience will make them better.
I think that that travel arrangements dictated that they fill Central first. Any leftovers west of Memphis were divided between the Midwest and West Regionals.

Now that you have three regionals (including 2 of the 6-team regionals), your next travel areas include getting teams from Maine into the New England Regional and filling the South Regional which you can fill as a 6-team bracket.

When those are filled, then filling the rest of the sites with teams inside 500 miles and getting brackets that look like a 1 thru 8 seed or a 1 thru 6 seed were the next challenges.

Ithaca went in as a B. SJFC was left on the table until they came up for a Pool C bid.

I really like splitting conferences into different regionals, if you can.

I could not agree with this more. The last thing I wanted to see was Fisher/Ithaca 7 in a regional.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 24, 2012, 06:47:10 AM
Congrats to Steve Karnyski and Justin D'Amato, who were both selected as. All-Americans. Karnyski is first team, D'Amato is third team.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 30, 2012, 09:46:12 PM
Good to see Marietta win the national title for no other reason then the ole Cards beat them in their regional.  NY did okay this year.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on February 05, 2013, 11:55:08 AM
It appears that the Empire 8 will be growing in baseball in a few years. Elmira College has posted an opening for a head baseball coach on the NCAA jobs web site. According to the post, the program will play its first season in 2014-15.

This will bring the conference's number of baseball teams up to six. The Empire 8, at least in terms of baseball, will consist of Elmira, Houghton, Ithaca, St. John Fisher, Stevens and Utica.

I believe it's seven teams that are needed for an automatic qualifier to the NCAA tournament. The league could add an affiliate member in an attempt to gain at AQ or possibly we could see the return of maybe Hartwick to the Div. III level? The only other two E8 schools without baseball are Alfred and Nazareth.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2013, 07:18:17 PM
That is exciting.  I cannot think who might be a good candidate for affiliation with the E8 to give the 7th.  There are no independents up there.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2013, 07:20:04 PM
Access to the AQ might change the dynamic for Hartwick in the conference to add baseball!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 12, 2013, 06:08:55 AM
Any word on recruiting classes in the E8. Obviously I am most interested in what Fisher is bringing in. Last year they ran out of pitching in the NCAA, so I am hoping a few pitchers are mixed in.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 12, 2013, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2013, 07:20:04 PM
Access to the AQ might change the dynamic for Hartwick in the conference to add baseball!

Hartwick used to have baseball. Not sure why they ended the program but they would be the top choice to be that last member to me.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on February 17, 2013, 12:34:13 PM
Fisher will be just fine on the mound.  They certainly drew the short end of the stick with scheduling again, going to Stevens and Ithaca the same season (I believe they went to Ithaca twice in 2011, and split last year, now back again).  Not quite sure how that plays out, maybe weather, but advantage Ithaca on that.  D'amato is about as automatic as it gets, and, with the players they have been bringing in the past couple of years, I think one could be confident more arms are there. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 24, 2013, 05:42:30 PM
Fisher wasn't exactly sharp today, with 6 errors and D'Amato giving up 4 runs in 4.1 innings, but they were able to hold on for a 8-7 win against Suny Purchase.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on February 24, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Opening day jitters??  I am sure they will be fine.  Good day for NY teams.  Brockport beat Kean with 5 in the ninth.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 28, 2013, 10:37:12 PM
Good luck to Fisher on their trip to Florida. Hopefully they get a lot of pitching and hitting and get even more wins. Starts on Saturday!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 02, 2013, 07:27:50 PM
Great start for Fisher down in Florida, sweeping a double dip with Penn State Altoona.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 29, 2013, 09:31:52 PM
Cards split today at Stevens.  They just can't quite seem to get it all going yet...but I certainly think they will.  Dybas struggled in game two and it was too much of a deficit to come from behind on.  Watched the game on video, that park looks awfully small in rightfield.  Is it even 280 down that line?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 10, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
Bombers just rolling right along, racking up their 15th win in a row.

Might Ithaca become a player in the national scene again? A mere five seniors on this squad. Ithaca returns its #2 and #3 starter, top four hitters, and 8 of 11 position players who have started 10 or more games this season. Seems like a lot of talent coming back for a pretty good team
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 12, 2013, 10:33:37 PM
With all the attention that Cortland has been getting, it is possible the road to the World Series goes through the Empire 8.  Ithaca is hot right now and if Fisher gets it all together look out.  Those two teams are very good, that will be a fun series to watch next weekend.  Schedule kind to Ithaca, getting both Stevens and Fisher at home..should be enough for a regular season title.  But, that why you play the games and Fisher certainly has the horses to compete with the Bombers.  Good to see Ithaca playing well and hopefully they get noticed in the rankings.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 17, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
Here we go this weekend.  Fisher and Ithaca.  Anyone have any predictions?? Recent history has given an edge to Fisher, but, Ithaca seems to have everything going in the right direction.  Fisher could use 3 of 4 to help their at large chances.  Ithaca gets a split, that would be plenty but they also have to be eyeing the one seed for the regional.  Ithaca is solid in the front of the rotation, the four guys seem easy to pick out.  I will take the obvious and pick the split. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 22, 2013, 09:33:59 AM
Bombers take 3 of 4 from Fisher. All the games could have gone either way, but Ithaca finally seems to have the pitching depth needed to get make some noise. The top three starters for the Bombers are 20-0, with 9 complete games, and a 2.44 ERA.

Fisher will be interesting. You've gotta think they could run the table from here on out to finish 26-12, but I have no clue what that means when it comes to SOS (given the state of the E8, though...)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 22, 2013, 09:40:15 AM
Well said..Fisher just can't seem to get it all together.  Very talented but can't seem to get the big hit or make the big play with the game on the line.  Ithaca should be the one seed in this regional, but, I imagine (unless Ithaca loses a few more), Cortland will get it based on whatever reason the regional can come up with.  Fisher season a microcosm of game 4.  They outhit Ithaca 11-2 and struggle to hold on for a 2-1 victory.  They could get hot, no doubt, but it may not be enough.  The schedule opens up for the Cards, can't slip up again.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on April 22, 2013, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 22, 2013, 09:40:15 AM
Well said..Fisher just can't seem to get it all together.  Very talented but can't seem to get the big hit or make the big play with the game on the line.  Ithaca should be the one seed in this regional, but, I imagine (unless Ithaca loses a few more), Cortland will get it based on whatever reason the regional can come up with.   Fisher season a microcosm of game 4.  They outhit Ithaca 11-2 and struggle to hold on for a 2-1 victory.  They could get hot, no doubt, but it may not be enough.  The schedule opens up for the Cards, can't slip up again.
Ithaca 17-1 in region.  Cortland 23-3 in region.
First, the season's not over so how can you determine a #1 seed?
Second, at this point Ithaca has a better regional record including a win against Cortland.  But Cortland has played tougher regional competition.
I'm sure whoever is ultimately #1, it will be deserved and nobody needs favoritism from the NCAA.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 22, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on April 22, 2013, 09:33:59 AM
Bombers take 3 of 4 from Fisher. All the games could have gone either way, but Ithaca finally seems to have the pitching depth needed to get make some noise. The top three starters for the Bombers are 20-0, with 9 complete games, and a 2.44 ERA.

Fisher will be interesting. You've gotta think they could run the table from here on out to finish 26-12, but I have no clue what that means when it comes to SOS (given the state of the E8, though...)

Still very difficult to win in the regionals when you have just four or maybe five kids that do the majority of the pitching which has been Ithaca's MO. Two-three strong starters usually works during the regular season but with 4-5 games in 4-5 days, the regionals tend to favor teams with more quality arms as opposed to a few workhorses. To have the small staff formula work, you need to stay in the winners bracket and not overwork the bullpen.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 22, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on April 22, 2013, 09:33:59 AM
Bombers take 3 of 4 from Fisher. All the games could have gone either way, but Ithaca finally seems to have the pitching depth needed to get make some noise. The top three starters for the Bombers are 20-0, with 9 complete games, and a 2.44 ERA.

Fisher will be interesting. You've gotta think they could run the table from here on out to finish 26-12, but I have no clue what that means when it comes to SOS (given the state of the E8, though...)

Still very difficult to win in the regionals when you have just four or maybe five kids that do the majority of the pitching which has been Ithaca's MO. Two-three strong starters usually works during the regular season but with 4-5 games in 4-5 days, the regionals tend to favor teams with more quality arms as opposed to a few workhorses. To have the small staff formula work, you need to stay in the winners bracket and not overwork the bullpen.

But don't most teams who win the regionals do just that?

Sure, Cortland can win it playing six games in 2007 when Ithaca hands them eight unearned runs in an elimination game, but it seems like, if you won the regionals in four games (as four of the last six have done) you sort of avoid that problem. Do many teams who wind up winning the regionals from the losers bracket do so because of superior pitching depth? Cortland got a 6-error game from IC in 2007, and in 2009, Farmingdale state survived in spite of their staff allowing 10 and 9 runs in games after the team already lost once.

Seems like, if you're coming from the losers bracket, it's not the rotation depth that carries you as much as it is the bats/random chance.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 22, 2013, 06:37:17 PM
Ithaca did win the head to head match up with Cortland.  But, that aside, I am just going by the rankings that has Cortland ahead of Ithaca despite Ithaca's head to head win, better in region record...etc.  both teams are solid.  The NCAA certainly does favor teams, coaches sit on the regional selection committees, etc.. I am not saying that is the case here and realistically, it does not matter who the one or two seed is.  I do think that whomever comes out of NY this year has a shot.  I would like to see Fisher sneak in with D'Amato and Rynerson..they could be a tough out.  I do worry about Ithaca's front heavy pitching, especially when the games go nine innings which, unfortunately for them, does not happen in the Empire 8.  That league needs to play more nines to help prepare teams for the regionals.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on April 23, 2013, 09:04:47 AM
I don't think an E8 team with that many loses will have a shot. League very weak besides Fisher and the Bombers. I also don't think any SUNYAC team has a shot unless they do the unthinkable and win the conference tourney. Don't see that happening this year. New York region could be many teams from New England and Mid Atlantic region. Not sure about Liberty League teams, although Union and RPI have pretty good records.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 23, 2013, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 22, 2013, 06:37:17 PM
Ithaca did win the head to head match up with Cortland.  But, that aside, I am just going by the rankings that has Cortland ahead of Ithaca despite Ithaca's head to head win, better in region record...etc.  both teams are solid.  The NCAA certainly does favor teams, coaches sit on the regional selection committees, etc.. I am not saying that is the case here and realistically, it does not matter who the one or two seed is.  I do think that whomever comes out of NY this year has a shot.  I would like to see Fisher sneak in with D'Amato and Rynerson..they could be a tough out.  I do worry about Ithaca's front heavy pitching, especially when the games go nine innings which, unfortunately for them, does not happen in the Empire 8.  That league needs to play more nines to help prepare teams for the regionals.

Cortland and Ithaca play again. Barring any collapse by either team, the winner of that game is probably the top seed.

The nine inning thing doesn't worry me. That's what OOC games are good for. Lemmo averages 8 IP per start (he threw 10 once), and Prendergast has thrown 9 inning several times. If the schedule doesn't have any more rainouts, the Bombers will have played scheduled nine inning games 24 times, and two other conference games that went to at least nine. If 26 nine-inning games don't get you prepared, you've got other issues.

Look, I don't know if the Bombers will make it out of the regionals. But if they don't, I don't think it will be because their pitchers ran out of gas in the 8th inning, or the other team's beating them 8-1 in the 4th game because they're tossing someone on short rest or a not-great pitcher up against a really good one.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: nybaseballfan23 on April 23, 2013, 05:21:42 PM
Based on the strength of schedule/region winning percentages as per d3baseball.com, I would wager the initial regional rankings are going to look something like this:

1.  Ithaca (17-2, .895 in-region, .5937 OWP)
2.  Cortland (23-4, .852 in-region, .5712 OWP)
3.  Union (17-4, .810 in-region, .5403 OWP)
4.  RPI (20-7, .741 in-region, .5391 OWP)
5.  St. John Fisher (15-9, .625 in-region, .6098 OWP)
6.  Farmingdale (20-5, .800 in-region, .4584 OWP)

After those you have a handful of teams over .500 with solid OWPs, most notably New Paltz (14-11, .5486 OWP) but this group should make up the rankings.  Old Westbury and Staten Island have solid to very good in-region marks but OWP (308th and 341st nationally) takes them out of the discussion.  You could also include Farmingdale in that group as their OWP is weak, hence Fisher taking the 5 spot over them, but seems like the committee always gets the Skyline leader in the rankings.  Fisher could conceivably take the 4 spot over RPI as well based strictly on the numbers and wind up being the top NY team put up for a Pool C, with Ithaca taking the Pool B.

So as to the E8 getting two in, if Fisher picks up some more wins and wins the ECAC (heard they're bringing it back this year?) they'd be a strong candidate, as their OWP is currently 10th in the nation and tops among eligible teams (Utica is #1, probably because they can't schedule themselves ;))...
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 25, 2013, 11:41:05 PM
Good stuff.  Fisher may be getting hosed a bit by the Utica debacle.  They only played them twice and Utica wanted to reschedule over a discipline issue, so now, it appears those will be forfeits.  Would those count as wins??  I wonder if this would have happened in hoops or football season (wink, insert laugh).  Anyway, those two probable wins would help their chances.  I still think that at some point a bullpen will come into play and this is where Cortland usually separates themselves from others.  Ithaca is very front end dominated, the starters can't have a bad day in the regionals.  The good ole ECAC huh... that may help someone, but, a lot of programs won't let their teams participate in it anymore. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 26, 2013, 02:03:36 PM
Cortland has a much deeper staff, which means the Bombers will need to go 4-0 to win it. But their big 3 of Lemmo, Prendergast, and Wagner are good enough to get it done. Andrew Sanders could be an interesting 4th option. He beat Cortland earlier this season, and threw seven shutout innings in his last start. He also threw 6.2 innings against Rochester in relief of Adams. I think he's got to have the edge of Adams right now

As far as Fisher...yeah maybe they're getting hurt a bit by the Utica thing. But if there are no other rainouts, they'll play 39 games. Still plenty of chances to prove themselves. Those two losses to Stevens have to sting a bit.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 26, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
It appears that fisher will get credit for two forfeit victories...and with the ECAC and remaining games they could get hot and get near thirty wins.  Top 10 strength of schedule doesn't hurt either.  I don't see the Liberty League getting an at large, Union or RPI looks like the rep. out of the LL.  This region is better than usual though and let's hope that the NCAA selection folks recognize the strength of NY this season!!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 26, 2013, 10:33:05 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 26, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
It appears that fisher will get credit for two forfeit victories...and with the ECAC and remaining games they could get hot and get near thirty wins.  Top 10 strength of schedule doesn't hurt either.  I don't see the Liberty League getting an at large, Union or RPI looks like the rep. out of the LL.  This region is better than usual though and let's hope that the NCAA selection folks recognize the strength of NY this season!!

From the way the Utica team suspension/hazing story was written in the local paper, the Fisher-Utica games will go as forfeits in favor of Fisher.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 27, 2013, 08:45:41 AM
They originally tried to just move them!!  Quite the punishment, tell a team they can't show up to play because they screwed up, but, we don't want to lose so just move them!  Utica college has always been a bit of a disappointment to me.  There is good high school ball in that area but the school just never seems to care much about baseball and has been perennial bottom feeders.  With Mohawk Valley next door, ample summer organizations one would think that Utica would get better by default but it just hasn't happened.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 29, 2013, 10:28:45 AM
Cortland at Ithaca today. Winner is the likely #1 seed.

Bombers have two options for starters today. Pat Lemmo (7-0, 1.62) or Andrew Sanders (2-2, 2.84) Lemmo's the staff ace, but I'd kind of like to see Sanders go. If Ithaca's going to win the regionals, they have to get a 4th starter set. Jasper Adams continues to allow a ton of hits (59 in 39.2 innings) and if Sanders can put together a quality outing against a team against Cortland for a second time, I've got to think they'd like him against a weaker team in the regionals.

Of course, it's Ithaca, so it's probably going to rain today, which I guess benefits the Bombers, since they're #1 in the region right now.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2013, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on April 29, 2013, 10:28:45 AM
Cortland at Ithaca today. Winner is the likely #1 seed.

Bombers have two options for starters today. Pat Lemmo (7-0, 1.62) or Andrew Sanders (2-2, 2.84) Lemmo's the staff ace, but I'd kind of like to see Sanders go. If Ithaca's going to win the regionals, they have to get a 4th starter set. Jasper Adams continues to allow a ton of hits (59 in 39.2 innings) and if Sanders can put together a quality outing against a team against Cortland for a second time, I've got to think they'd like him against a weaker team in the regionals.

Of course, it's Ithaca, so it's probably going to rain today, which I guess benefits the Bombers, since they're #1 in the region right now.

Rain in the forecast the next two days. Usually how things go - Ithaca/Cortland play their first or second game and the other has some sort of weather ailment.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: nybaseballfan23 on April 29, 2013, 01:53:32 PM
Figures rain comes into play, actually been a decent spring for the 2nd straight year for a change...chalk it up to global warming I guess.  Hope they get it in, be a nice preview for the NCAA's and could settle the top seed esp. if Ithaca wins, I'd think the committee would just go by the numbers if they split the season series.

The NCAA rule for "forfeits" are if a game is called off/cancelled before it has started, it counts as a no-contest.  However, as Mr. McGraw astutely pointed out Fisher appears to be getting credit for the two wins, which I think is the right thing to do.  It's one thing to cancel non-league games as punishment, but doing so to conference games hurts the opponent and the league overall, and with no AQ each game carries a lot more weight than in most other leagues.  Fisher looks to be NY's best shot at a Pool C, hope they keep on keeping on.

Utica has been a disappointment over the years, this year even more so as they appeared to improve a little (relatively) last season and then had the airport incident, although they appeared to compete well (again, relatively) at Stevens over the weekend.  Just not a lot of emphasis or support from the administration I would wager, maybe this new AD will change that.

It also appears Hoboken's own Cake Boss might have some competition in town with all of the cupcakes and cream puffs Stevens had on their schedule this year...looks like the won the CUNY title  ;)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 29, 2013, 02:27:24 PM
So Fisher gets credit for the wins. How much will two wins over a 4-22 Utica really help them? It bumps up the winning percentage I guess, but honestly, would beating Utica twice really change any impressions about them? Fisher's the same team they were before those two games were counted.

As for Utica's not being good, I've always ascribed it to Utica—the town—being a horrible, horrible place to spend four years. Seriously, I don't like spending 45 minutes in that town, let alone four of the prime years of my life. I'd rather hang out in Cortland than "The City that God Forgot."
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 29, 2013, 04:59:20 PM
Bombers take a 3-0 lead on Cortland in the first. Lemmo has induced two double-play groundballs in two innings. Bombers open with 1st and 3rd, no one out in the second, and Cortland has to go to the bullpen. Three more runs score, and it's 6-0 Ithaca after two.

Ithaca faced John Molloy, who actually had the worst ERA (4.15) of any starter on the Cortland roster. So maybe there's not a lot to read into a game like this, and of course it's far from over. But the Bombers have to like the start. A win would seem to lock up the top seed in the region, barring too many fluky losses.

Interesting that the Red Dragons started Nemeti and Molloy (combined 28 IP on the season) against the Bombers. Are they intentionally hiding their hand, allowing their depth and talent to provide them with the luxury of not starting their best pitchers so Ithaca doesn't get a feel for them until the regionals? Cortland's got to feel confident they can win the regionals regardless of seeding, so maybe they're thinking bigger picture?

On the flip side, of course, you've got to think the Bombers (if they win this game) would be feeling supremely confident as well, regardless of their regionals struggle. After all, Cortland's still throwing out their best hitters. Also, after a 9-run game in their first meeting and six early runs here, I think Ithaca's guys would feel good about their ability to hit the Cortland depth guys, and that's where the Red Dragons would seem to have the advantage over Ithaca
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 29, 2013, 07:51:53 PM
Wow.

Even considering that the Bombers were throwing Pat Lemmo, the staff ace, against Molloy, not one of Cortland's best pitchers, I'd have to think the Red Dragons wanted to do better that a 14-2 whipping.

The big question is: What do we know about these teams now that we didn't before the game?

Cortland didn't throw any/many of their top pitchers, so it's tough to be terribly excited about the 14 runs in a big picture sense. It was great to see Lemmo pitch so well against Cortland. Yes, he's been dominant this year, but to do that kind of work against a great lineup is huge. Ithaca's path to the NCAA's is going to go through Cortland, so it's great to see another win
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 01, 2013, 12:03:02 AM
This is standard practice for teams that have conferences that carry the AQ to hold their pitchers for conference games.  Ithaca over the years has had the benefit of picking where to throw some guys simply because they didn't play in a league and to get the at large pool b, they had to win those midweek games.  For Cortland, the conference is much more important so it's not uncommon to hold guys back.  I wouldn't read to much into this though.  However, with the loss, Cortland just jumped to number 1 in the country!! Just kiddin...
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 03, 2013, 05:55:20 AM
I have not been able to post much this year due to work, etc, so I am doing some catch up on this baseball season more than anything. IC looks like the real deal. What are their chances to be the one seed?

Does Fisher have a shot to get in? I see they are included in the regional rankings, but their record is not overly impressive. I did see something about a tough schedule but I really don't know how it works with baseball.

Can anyone help me out?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 03, 2013, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 03, 2013, 05:55:20 AM
I have not been able to post much this year due to work, etc, so I am doing some catch up on this baseball season more than anything. IC looks like the real deal. What are their chances to be the one seed?

Does Fisher have a shot to get in? I see they are included in the regional rankings, but their record is not overly impressive. I did see something about a tough schedule but I really don't know how it works with baseball.

Can anyone help me out?

Ithaca's going to be the #1 seed unless they drop both to Montclair next weekend, and even then, I'd think they'd have a good shot. They were ahead of Cortland in the first rankings, even before whipping them soundly in a game that the Red Dragons may or may not have cared about. But given that Montclair has struggled this season, and Ithaca will be able to start Lemmo and Prendergast if they want, I don't see the Bombers losing either, let alone both.

Cortland will probably win their conference tournament, but it's not like they'll rack up quality wins doing so. I can't imagine that would vault them over the Bombers unless something crazy happened
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 03, 2013, 06:48:03 PM
If Fisher runs the table, it puts them at 27-13 and they will go play in an ECAC tourney.  That could get them to 30 wins.  They may need it, but, not sure what the chances are.  I will say this, I don't think anyone in the region wants them in.  They would be very dangerous.  They are playing Utica this weekend, no forfeit wins.  Utica gets in trouble for hazing players, suspends the whole team and still get to play the games.  Nice punishment...but, it is good for Fisher to play them and get real wins.  Ithaca has as good a shot as anyone, just seems to be their season right now.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 05, 2013, 09:12:44 PM
Fisher took care of Utica today in both games, to get to 26-13. A win tomorrow gets them to 27 wins, and I hope that is enough. Would love to spend a week in Auburn with Cortland, IC, and Fisher.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 05, 2013, 10:10:44 PM
They will try to enhance their resume with an ECAC appearance somewhere most likely..
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on May 06, 2013, 09:36:35 AM
I'm not sure that Fisher (27-13) will be good enough considering that the 4 Houghton wins don't count and Ithaca being the only real threat in the E5, I mean E8. ECAC tourney not what it used to be with new NCAA rules about post season tourneys. Only teams that did not qualify for their league tourneys or teams that don't have a league tourney can play in them.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 06, 2013, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 06, 2013, 09:36:35 AM
I'm not sure that Fisher (27-13) will be good enough considering that the 4 Houghton wins don't count and Ithaca being the only real threat in the E5, I mean E8. ECAC tourney not what it used to be with new NCAA rules about post season tourneys. Only teams that did not qualify for their league tourneys or teams that don't have a league tourney can play in them.

I'm inclined to agree. There just aren't a lot of good wins there. I don't know if the conference tournament results helped or hurt them or if there were a lot of upsets. I think that Ithaca series killed them. Yes, they were highly competitive, but dropping 3 of 4 there hurt their chances to rack up a couple more high-quality wins.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 06, 2013, 04:20:44 PM
Can Fisher skip the ECAC's and just try to schedule some quality teams over the next week?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 06, 2013, 09:46:54 PM
Fisher may have taken all of the suspense out of the inor out discussion by losing to Pitt Bradford today. Just a really bad loss for Fisher.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 06, 2013, 10:47:12 PM
Well, I think we should just admit that Fisher's really not that good. Over 40 games, we have a pretty good sample size to tell us that they're just not getting it done. I don't know enough about the ins and outs of the selection process to say for sure, but there are not a lot of good wins, and some pretty confounding losses
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Post by: Big Louie on May 06, 2013, 11:08:38 PM
Fisher really hasn't beaten anyone if you look at their schedule. 26-14 overall.... 8-0 against Houghton and Utica isnt really considered doing damage. I realize they have to play these games but they really have no good wins. There best win was against an Ithaca team they went 1-3 against.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on May 08, 2013, 09:47:11 AM
My thought is there will be no Pool C bids from NY this year. Records aren't good enough and too many teams in the regions next to NY that have better records and SOS.

Sorry St John Fisher, not this year. Liberty League winner and nobody else from that league. No Oswego or Brockport.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 08, 2013, 03:18:33 PM
I am inclined to agree with you all on Fisher.  They really had their chances in the Ithaca weekend but for one reason or another they couldn't get over the hump this season.  It is too bad, they wouldn't have been a team anyone would have wanted to see with the D'Amato kid in the front of the rotation.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 08, 2013, 04:50:20 PM
I can't disagree with any of this. Fisher just didn't do enough this year. They do have a win against Union (1st in the LL), a pretty good Neumann team, and the one against IC, but that is really it. Plus, the loss against Pitt-Bradford in a game you had to have is just too tough to overcome for a voter I would guess.

The hard part for me is the way they lost all season. 8 one run games, 6 losses via a walk off. A run, or not making an error here and there would have made a huge difference.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2013, 08:42:06 PM
Yes, they really are a few "breaks' away from being well over 30 wins, but, thats baseball.  I saw them against Oswego, what a difference in players.  And Oswego is very improved, but, position by position they were not on the level of Fisher.  So, it's off to the ever popular ECAC...win two there and finish 28-14 then hold their breath but it is a longshot at best.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 11, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 10, 2013, 08:42:06 PM
Yes, they really are a few "breaks' away from being well over 30 wins, but, thats baseball.  I saw them against Oswego, what a difference in players.  And Oswego is very improved, but, position by position they were not on the level of Fisher.  So, it's off to the ever popular ECAC...win two there and finish 28-14 then hold their breath but it is a longshot at best.

The only good news for Fisher is that they are still ranked 4th in the region, which may show that there is some respect for their résumé. They have played a tough schedule as well, but it is a long shot at this point.

I try to make it to Auburn every year, but I am always more likely to spend my time at the regional of Fisher is there. Any one else making it out for the regional?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 12, 2013, 01:51:05 PM
Fisher beat Rutgers-Camden today to get to 27 wins, and will play either SUNY Purchase or USMMA in the championship at 3. Fisher probably need to win the second game today to have any chance. I wonder why they are playing in the Metro-region ECACs and not against teams like Oswego and Brockport from upstate?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 12, 2013, 05:52:54 PM
that's a decent win against Rutgers Camden.  Last I checked they were up 16-1 with the reserves in the game in the seventh.  That makes them 28-14 and very dangerous.  The strength of schedule helps them..not sure why there was no ECAC upstate this year but you have to give them credit to travel and play.  They are a team no one wants to see with D'Amato and Rynerson at the front of the rotation.  But is it too little too late?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: OshDude on May 12, 2013, 06:06:03 PM
Camden win was good, but it'll be considered in the secondary criteria.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 12, 2013, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on May 12, 2013, 06:06:03 PM
Camden win was good, but it'll be considered in the secondary criteria.

Fisher did beat SUNY Purchase, but both wins will be in the secondary criteria as mentioned above. Wish those wins were against Oswego and RPI but they will have to take what they can get.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: OshDude on May 12, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Purchase is a primary-criteria win.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 12, 2013, 07:10:03 PM
that give NY, Cortland, Ithaca, Farmingdale, RPI...then, Fisher would have to be next.  Again, is it enough??  Union and Oswego both lost head to head to Fisher, so they are out of it.  Is the NY region worthy of another spot?  Fisher received an at large last year and played very respectable at the Marietta regional, knocking of Marietta and if the bullpen could have held in the winners bracket game, they had a shot to knock of Marietta.  Should be interesting needless to say.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on May 13, 2013, 11:36:40 AM
Like I said before, no pool c teams for NY. NY region is not looked at as a strong region.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 13, 2013, 06:31:44 PM
PC got my hopes up with their projection that Fisher would be in the field, but ultimately I think the committee did the right thing by leaving them out. Tough to take but it is what it is.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on May 21, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO.
Locastro had a great year.
You're comparing stats on a sheet of paper.  How many times have you seen Graczyk actually play?
Graczyk won because he deserves it.  If it went the other way, Locastro would have deserved it.
Stop Whining!!
Ithaca won and you still have sour grapes.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 21, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: rob on May 21, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO.
Locastro had a great year.
You're comparing stats on a sheet of paper.  How many times have you seen Graczyk actually play?
Graczyk won because he deserves it.  If it went the other way, Locastro would have deserved it.
Stop Whining!!
Ithaca won and you still have sour grapes.

Of course I'm comparing stats on a sheet of paper. What do you think the voters were doing? It's Division III sports. These games aren't nationally broadcast. There aren't video highlights readily available. You think the people who vote for these things can watch all these games live?

So let's flip it around. If you're a Cortland fan, how many times have you seen Locastro play?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: rob on May 22, 2013, 05:14:44 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 21, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: rob on May 21, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO.
Locastro had a great year.
You're comparing stats on a sheet of paper.  How many times have you seen Graczyk actually play?
Graczyk won because he deserves it.  If it went the other way, Locastro would have deserved it.
Stop Whining!!
Ithaca won and you still have sour grapes.

Of course I'm comparing stats on a sheet of paper. What do you think the voters were doing? It's Division III sports. These games aren't nationally broadcast. There aren't video highlights readily available. You think the people who vote for these things can watch all these games live?

So let's flip it around. If you're a Cortland fan, how many times have you seen Locastro play?
My point is, both players had good years, both are deserving.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 22, 2013, 06:03:20 AM
Quote from: rob on May 22, 2013, 05:14:44 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 21, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: rob on May 21, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO.
Locastro had a great year.
You're comparing stats on a sheet of paper.  How many times have you seen Graczyk actually play?
Graczyk won because he deserves it.  If it went the other way, Locastro would have deserved it.
Stop Whining!!
Ithaca won and you still have sour grapes.

Of course I'm comparing stats on a sheet of paper. What do you think the voters were doing? It's Division III sports. These games aren't nationally broadcast. There aren't video highlights readily available. You think the people who vote for these things can watch all these games live?

So let's flip it around. If you're a Cortland fan, how many times have you seen Locastro play?
My point is, both players had good years, both are deserving.
This may be true BUT unless they award Co-Player awards a choice must be made and yes numbers is how it should be judged. Honestly who has the better numbers. What is the justification to award the player with lesser numbers. Just the facts should be used. Not politics, not bias, not team reputation or history.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jonny Utah on May 22, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO.

bombers,  according to the d3baseball.com blurb on the all-american teams, Locastro is credited with only 11 stolen bases (probably confused with doubles).  Locastro also was beaten out by a SS from Manchester with slightly lower numbers.  I hope the voting staff got the right stats!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 22, 2013, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on May 22, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO.

bombers,  according to the d3baseball.com blurb on the all-american teams, Locastro is credited with only 11 stolen bases (probably confused with doubles).  Locastro also was beaten out by a SS from Manchester with slightly lower numbers.  I hope the voting staff got the right stats!

The steal numbers are wrong, obviously. I'm not as bugged by the Manchester pick. The added power the Manchester player gave might very well be more valuable, but I agree, if for some reason, the people saw that Locastro had 11 steals as opposed to 36, and that influenced their decision, that's unfortunate. (And it's also unfortunate that CS don't seem to be taken into account)
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: OshDude on May 22, 2013, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on May 22, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO.

bombers,  according to the d3baseball.com blurb on the all-american teams, Locastro is credited with only 11 stolen bases (probably confused with doubles).  Locastro also was beaten out by a SS from Manchester with slightly lower numbers.  I hope the voting staff got the right stats!
Corrected. Thank you.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jonny Utah on May 22, 2013, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on May 22, 2013, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on May 22, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 20, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Graczyk over Locastro for NY player of the year? Interesting call.

Graczyk: .408/.464/.516 1 HR, 1 3B, 15 2B, 31 RBI, 17 BB, 13 steals in 20 attempts
Locastro: .424/.539/.625 2 HR, 6 3B, 11 2B, 32 RBI, 15 BB, 36 steals in 37 attempts

Graczyk is a CF, Locastro is a SS, so both of them play premium defensive positions—though Locastro's 19 errors would seem like a lot for a SS, and Graczyk made just one (though it tells us nothing about his range)

But these offensive numbers aren't even close. 100 points in slugging? 23 additional steals AND a nearly perfect percentage? Yes, the caliber of competition may have been different, but by how much? The teams played three times, and shared several opponents.

The defense may have been a check in Graczyk's favor, but Locastro's advantage in hitting and baserunning make him the better pick IMO.

bombers,  according to the d3baseball.com blurb on the all-american teams, Locastro is credited with only 11 stolen bases (probably confused with doubles).  Locastro also was beaten out by a SS from Manchester with slightly lower numbers.  I hope the voting staff got the right stats!
Corrected. Thank you.

Corrected in that Locastro got 1st team!  Great work.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on August 23, 2013, 01:00:23 PM
http://www.pgcbl.com/news/?article_id=1056

Justin D'Amato who played for the Newark Pilots in the PGCBL named to the the All-start team for the west division.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on February 23, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
Let's get the 2014 season talk going.  Fisher gets the Bomb squad in Rochester this year.  Those four games last year all could have gone either way.  Can the Cards get Ithaca?  I say they can.  How about Stevens?  Can they make a run at the top 2?  Not sure who they have at home...they also have to go to Rochester though.  Ithaca still has a lot coming back with experience.  16 game conference schedule..here is my prediction:
1. Fisher 13-3
2. Ithaca 12-4
3. Stevens 10-6
4. Utica 4-12
5. Houghton 1-15

Thoughts??
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on February 24, 2014, 01:20:39 PM
Quote from: airball55 on February 23, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
Let's get the 2014 season talk going.  Fisher gets the Bomb squad in Rochester this year.  Those four games last year all could have gone either way.  Can the Cards get Ithaca?  I say they can.  How about Stevens?  Can they make a run at the top 2?  Not sure who they have at home...they also have to go to Rochester though.  Ithaca still has a lot coming back with experience.  16 game conference schedule..here is my prediction:
1. Fisher 13-3
2. Ithaca 12-4
3. Stevens 10-6
4. Utica 4-12
5. Houghton 1-15

Thoughts??

The Bombers are loaded. Losing Locastro a year early hurts, but Ithaca still brings back 6 of their 9 hitters and Prendergast, Wagner, Adams (who might have another year, I forget) and Sanders, is a really good staff.

Fisher's got an outstanding staff as well, and a ton of returning talent. The offense will be good too.

Had Locastro come back, the Bombers would have the edge, as he was the best player in the region, IMO. But his loss makes it mostly a coin flip.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 24, 2014, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: airball55 on February 23, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
Let's get the 2014 season talk going.  Fisher gets the Bomb squad in Rochester this year.  Those four games last year all could have gone either way.  Can the Cards get Ithaca?  I say they can.  How about Stevens?  Can they make a run at the top 2?  Not sure who they have at home...they also have to go to Rochester though.  Ithaca still has a lot coming back with experience.  16 game conference schedule..here is my prediction:
1. Fisher 13-3
2. Ithaca 12-4
3. Stevens 10-6
4. Utica 4-12
5. Houghton 1-15

Thoughts??

Funny enough, I was just going to post something to the effect of "someone give me a reason to believe Fisher can beat IC for the conference title this year".

I like what Fisher has done with the baseball program the last few years. Going into last year I thought Fisher may have gotten the inside track on the top team talent wise in the conference, but IC was really impressive last year. Only a couple of wins from winning it all.

Fisher brings a lot back at the plate from last year, and with D'Amato they have some talent. The rest of the pitching staff really has to step up if they are going to hang with/beat IC over the course of a full season. Some highly thought of freshman should help as well, but Fisher will be very young in the outfield.

I think it is still Ithaca's conference to lose, but Fisher has enough that I would not be surprised if they won the league. What I would love is for the E8 to get two teams in the tournament, and start to build a stronger reputation for everyone involved.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Big Louie on February 25, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see 3 of the 5 E8 teams in the 2014 regionals! How about that for a bold statement to get things started.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 25, 2014, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: Big Louie on February 25, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see 3 of the 5 E8 teams in the 2014 regionals! How about that for a bold statement to get things started.

Wow...that would be unexpected, at the least.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on February 25, 2014, 11:43:04 PM
Quote from: Big Louie on February 25, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see 3 of the 5 E8 teams in the 2014 regionals! How about that for a bold statement to get things started.

Stevens went 11-1 against the CUNYAC last year. They have more than a pretty good shot at winning that league and getting an AQ.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on February 26, 2014, 03:34:50 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on February 25, 2014, 11:43:04 PM
Quote from: Big Louie on February 25, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see 3 of the 5 E8 teams in the 2014 regionals! How about that for a bold statement to get things started.

Stevens went 11-1 against the CUNYAC last year. They have more than a pretty good shot at winning that league and getting an AQ.

Maybe I am missing something...Doesn't Stevens play in the E8?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on February 27, 2014, 12:04:28 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on February 26, 2014, 03:34:50 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on February 25, 2014, 11:43:04 PM
Quote from: Big Louie on February 25, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see 3 of the 5 E8 teams in the 2014 regionals! How about that for a bold statement to get things started.

Stevens went 11-1 against the CUNYAC last year. They have more than a pretty good shot at winning that league and getting an AQ.

Maybe I am missing something...Doesn't Stevens play in the E8?

Yes, but they are also affiliate members of the CUNYAC and are now eligible for that league's automatic bid. Given the past success of the Ducks against that conference, I would say they'll be among the top three in that league along with traditional league heavyweights CSI and Baruch.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on February 28, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
This dual league affiliation thing has to stop.  It is not fair to the other teams in the region.  Pick a league and go with it.  Or, if I was Ithaca and St. John Fisher, dummy down the schedule as much as possible and try and go 35-5 to ensure more consideration for those hard to grab at large bids.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 01, 2014, 12:31:13 AM
Quote from: airball55 on February 28, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
This dual league affiliation thing has to stop.  It is not fair to the other teams in the region.  Pick a league and go with it.  Or, if I was Ithaca and St. John Fisher, dummy down the schedule as much as possible and try and go 35-5 to ensure more consideration for those hard to grab at large bids.

No one's complaining about Rochester being in both the UAA and Liberty League.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 01, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 01, 2014, 12:31:13 AM
Quote from: airball55 on February 28, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
This dual league affiliation thing has to stop.  It is not fair to the other teams in the region.  Pick a league and go with it.  Or, if I was Ithaca and St. John Fisher, dummy down the schedule as much as possible and try and go 35-5 to ensure more consideration for those hard to grab at large bids.

No one's complaining about Rochester being in both the UAA and Liberty League.

I agree with airball. It seems crazy that a team can hedge their bet for an automatic bid. Why doesn't Fisher join a watered down league, and rely on that auto bid when IC is better than them?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 01, 2014, 11:26:48 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on March 01, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 01, 2014, 12:31:13 AM
Quote from: airball55 on February 28, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
This dual league affiliation thing has to stop.  It is not fair to the other teams in the region.  Pick a league and go with it.  Or, if I was Ithaca and St. John Fisher, dummy down the schedule as much as possible and try and go 35-5 to ensure more consideration for those hard to grab at large bids.

No one's complaining about Rochester being in both the UAA and Liberty League.

I agree with airball. It seems crazy that a team can hedge their bet for an automatic bid. Why doesn't Fisher join a watered down league, and rely on that auto bid when IC is better than them?

This isn't a fly-by-night situation. Stevens has been an affiliate member of the CUNYAC for several years. Now that the league has the requisite number of teams, seven, and a brief probation period has passed, the league is eligible for an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.

The Empire 8 champion does not automatically qualify for a spot in the NCAA tournament. Even with the addition of Elmira next year, the league will still be one team short for an AQ. While the champion has qualified with a Pool B bid in the past, nothing ever is guaranteed as Pool B's and C's are fighting with teams across the country to earn an at-large bid into the tournament.

Sorry, but I can't blame Stevens for wanting to have a shot at an automatic bid. Besides, Stevens still has to win that league - it's not as if both CSI, a 30-win team last season, and Baruch are going to roll over for them.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on March 01, 2014, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 01, 2014, 12:31:13 AM
Quote from: airball55 on February 28, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
This dual league affiliation thing has to stop.  It is not fair to the other teams in the region.  Pick a league and go with it.  Or, if I was Ithaca and St. John Fisher, dummy down the schedule as much as possible and try and go 35-5 to ensure more consideration for those hard to grab at large bids.

No one's complaining about Rochester being in both the UAA and Liberty League.
Just curious, (I could look this up) but how many games does Stevens play in the CUNYAC?  While technically in both the UAA and LL, Rochester plays their entire 8 game schedule in the UAA by playing the other four teams that participate in the Florida tournament twice each over a 7 day period in March.  The teams are quality teams, but it feels much more like a tourney than a "league".  There is is no auto bid, but of course, UR has one available through the LL - something that has proven to be elusive.  At least they (UR) have to play a full 24 game regular season, finish in the top 4 of a 9 team league, and win the post season tourney to get the auto bid. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 02, 2014, 09:24:38 AM
the uaa is basically a tournament with no real reward for the winner...if there is one.  That's a totally different situation than what we are discussing with Stevens.  When Stevens left for the Empire 8, did they keep the status with their old league in all sports?  Or was it an exception because the E8 has no AQ for baseball.  You would never see this at the higher levels.  It really is a great situation for Stevens.  Dr. McGraw, I defer to your expertise.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on March 02, 2014, 10:53:11 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 02, 2014, 09:24:38 AM
the uaa is basically a tournament with no real reward for the winner...if there is one.  That's a totally different situation than what we are discussing with Stevens.  When Stevens left for the Empire 8, did they keep the status with their old league in all sports?  Or was it an exception because the E8 has no AQ for baseball.  You would never see this at the higher levels.  It really is a great situation for Stevens.  Dr. McGraw, I defer to your expertise.

I agree, airball.  That is my point - that the two situations are not comparable and Rochester can win the UAA "league" and be no closer to the NCAA tournament than they are when they are 0-0 in LL play after their Florida trip.  2009 and 2010 are examples of that. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 02, 2014, 02:35:40 PM
Stevens will play a full compliment of CUNYAC games as it has the last two years. It's a 12-game league schedule with each team playing one another twice. The majority of the Ducks' league games will be played before the 16-game Empire 8 slate begins.

The Ducks were previously members of the Skyline Conference before joining the Empire 8 as a full member in all sports.  The move to CUNYAC affiliate membership, which I believe is for baseball only, came for the 2012 season when the E8 was down to just four teams, nowhere near the number necessary for an automatic bid.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 02, 2014, 03:40:25 PM
Thanks John, Stevens has a great situation there.  That AQ potentially hurts a Fisher or Ithaca simply because it is tough for both teams to get in.  Those at large bids are hard to come by. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 02, 2014, 05:39:55 PM
On another note...Fisher is off to a good start in Florida.  2-1 with a blowout win against NCAA perennial power Aurora and a good split with Gwynned Mercy who split earlier this season at Kean. Cortland also off and running at 6-1.  These two look good early and giving the region some nice out of region wins against good teams.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on March 03, 2014, 04:20:34 PM
Really is a good situation for Stevens.  The Ducks had a 2 yr probationary period and now have the 'affiliate member' title.  I believe this is what Houghton is doing in the E8.  I'm new to the board and always have felt bad eavesdropping on Fisher and Ithaca discussions.  Hopefully the team can perform well enough to join the discussion this year.  Good luck to all.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 03, 2014, 10:04:21 PM
Stevens is getting better and better.  I think they have to be in the discussion as the next team to join the big five, Cortland, Ithaca, Fisher, RPI and Farmingdale.  Stevens, Brockport and a few others are in that group just a shade below...depending on the season could move up.  Stevens has got better and better, let's see if they can steal a few on the road this season at Fisher or Ithaca.  That CUNYAC league is so far below the big three leagues in NY (Sunyac, E8, Liberty), it should be easy pickings for them.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 03, 2014, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 02, 2014, 05:39:55 PM
On another note...Fisher is off to a good start in Florida.  2-1 with a blowout win against NCAA perennial power Aurora and a good split with Gwynned Mercy who split earlier this season at Kean. Cortland also off and running at 6-1.  These two look good early and giving the region some nice out of region wins against good teams.

Fisher improved to 3-1 today, with a win against Trine. Another good pitching performance, this time from a freshman. A few young guys playing big roles for Fisher so far. Good to see for Fisher fans!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: nybaseballfan23 on March 04, 2014, 12:38:14 PM
Looks like Ithaca's consecutive games cancelled due to weather streak might finally come to an end this weekend, as they are scheduled to play Old Westbury Saturday.  Must be itching to get started, and to finally get outside before their annual jaunt to the West Coast.

Saw Fisher has gotten some solid pitching based on the scores, who are their guys they are counting on other than D'Amato?

Regarding Stevens' improvement, I see that they are 23-1 vs. the CUNY last two seasons, 24-35 vs. everyone else, and 1-9 vs. Bombers.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 04, 2014, 01:06:16 PM
great point NYbaseballfan...I think the new staff has brought in better kids, the records have improved a  bit from season to season with the new Head Coach.  As for the record with Ithaca...lot's of teams are in that situation LOL!  I just think they are closer to the top two (Ithaca, Fisher) than middle of the road teams in the YAC or Liberty for instance who have more teams and quality.  Houghton and Utica offer up 8 games as well as the CUNYAC games...there are a lot of wins there.  If they can get a few from SJFC or Ithaca, they could get near that 30 win mark.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on March 04, 2014, 03:11:48 PM
With regards to Stevens, I think the culture has been changing.  This year is the new coach's third year but only his second recruiting class.  The staff has worked hard the last two years to recruit needs and is building a good core with a different attitude towards winning than the school had prior under the old regime.  Many are playing quality summer leagues and there is a definite upward trend.  Thanks for the kind observations that we soon could be mentioned with the upper echelon of the region.

I got to witness our split with Fisher last year but missed out on watching Ithaca take care of business against us.  No doubt the team still has a ways to go.  Great to see Fisher off to a good start and I'm sure Ithaca is poised to start strong as well.  It's always good to watch the conference do well.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: nybaseballfan23 on March 04, 2014, 06:29:17 PM
Agreed, airball, lot of wins to be had on that schedule!

Wasn't all that familiar with Stevens, but after doing some digging (very detailed record book on their site) turns out they have been pretty good for a while.  From 2001-11, when the last coach (John Crane) was there, they went to seven postseason tournaments (5 conference, two ECAC) and played in four championship games (3 conference, 1 ECAC) and went to regionals in 2002.  Also had six 20+ win seasons, including five of last seven years before the coaching change after 2011 season.

Program looks like it was bad before that, never more than 12 wins in a season...looks like Crane got it going in the right direction and that is continuing under Kristaps Aldins today.  Hope they make it competitive in the E8 this season, will be great for the league to possibly get 3 in!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 05, 2014, 01:57:07 PM
Another strong performance from Fisher today, as they beat Rose-Hulman 15-2. Another solid outing by a Fisher starter not named D'Amato, with Shawn Corrigan getting the win. A lot of hits/runs so far for the Cardinals as well.

I know it is only 5 games, but I am trying to remember a Fisher start that was this impressive in the last few years, and I am struggling to come up with one.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on March 05, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on March 05, 2014, 01:57:07 PM
Another strong performance from Fisher today, as they beat Rose-Hulman 15-2. Another solid outing by a Fisher starter not named D'Amato, with Shawn Corrigan getting the win. A lot of hits/runs so far for the Cardinals as well.

I know it is only 5 games, but I am trying to remember a Fisher start that was this impressive in the last few years, and I am struggling to come up with one.

Meh. Not a lot of great competition so far. I'd probably expect them to be 4-1 at this point. Looks like they beat up on the dregs of the staff today.

I'd be excited if Ithaca actually managed to get a game in before May
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 05, 2014, 08:57:04 PM
Agree Cards.  I took a look at their stats, not an earned run for a starter yet.  Those fields in FLA. are usually fast and the fences a bit closer.  Wins over Aurora (traditional power), Gwenned Mercy (who split at Kean), Trine (average program) and now Rose Hulman who is just a year removed from an NCAA appearance in 2012 make Fisher fans optimistic.  I took a good look at the series last year at Ithaca.  Each of those games could have gone either way.  I know Cortland is the traditional power in New York, but, the world series birth has to go through these two programs.  Ithaca gets going with their traditional run through California, and, you always have to take those results with a grain of salt because those teams have more field time under their belt.  Even last year, the Bomb squad went 4-4 on that trip and had to win the last 4 to break even.  Empire 5 looks good at the top.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 07, 2014, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 05, 2014, 08:57:04 PM
Agree Cards.  I took a look at their stats, not an earned run for a starter yet.  Those fields in FLA. are usually fast and the fences a bit closer.  Wins over Aurora (traditional power), Gwenned Mercy (who split at Kean), Trine (average program) and now Rose Hulman who is just a year removed from an NCAA appearance in 2012 make Fisher fans optimistic.  I took a good look at the series last year at Ithaca.  Each of those games could have gone either way.  I know Cortland is the traditional power in New York, but, the world series birth has to go through these two programs.  Ithaca gets going with their traditional run through California, and, you always have to take those results with a grain of salt because those teams have more field time under their belt.  Even last year, the Bomb squad went 4-4 on that trip and had to win the last 4 to break even.  Empire 5 looks good at the top.

If the current score line holds for Fisher (up 12-4 in the bottom of the 8th), they will go 6-1 in Florida, and have outscored opponents 67-15. Not a bad way to start the season. Now hopefully the weather can start to turn, and Fisher can get some more games in before the conference season gets going.

Either way, a really nice trip for Fisher. Getting a lot of good pitching and solid hitting has me optimistic.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 07, 2014, 08:40:43 PM
Yes, they played well.  Too bad they didn't get to play Coe who is decent.  Ithaca wins in two low scoring games against winless Old Westbury 1-0 and 2-0.  If I read the boxscore right, neither team eclipsed the two hit mark in either game.  If it was cold, they got out in a hurry!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on March 10, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
I thought Jasper Adams had another year of eligibility? Not on the roster. That would be a huge loss for the Bombers.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 10, 2014, 05:04:53 PM
I think the Bombers will replace him just fine.  Looking at his numbers...he had a good season but strikeouts were low and hits were high.  Losing Lacastro really hurts, the kid was outstanding.  Ithaca will need to score some more this year.  Wagner although he got hit hard yesterday, looks like the logical choice, but, the Bomb squad usually has some arms. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 10, 2014, 07:03:09 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on March 10, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
I thought Jasper Adams had another year of eligibility? Not on the roster. That would be a huge loss for the Bombers.

As far as I know, he had a fifth year of eligibility remaining. If not, he would not have been allowed to play summer ball last year. Not sure what happened there.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on March 11, 2014, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 10, 2014, 05:04:53 PM
I think the Bombers will replace him just fine.  Looking at his numbers...he had a good season but strikeouts were low and hits were high.  Losing Lacastro really hurts, the kid was outstanding.  Ithaca will need to score some more this year.  Wagner although he got hit hard yesterday, looks like the logical choice, but, the Bomb squad usually has some arms.

Do not sleep on the loss of Adams. He was a much better pitcher than people realize (Including me, at first). Remember, he missed all of 2012, so his early numbers were his first starts back from rehab.

In his final five starts of the year, which included games against Fisher, Amherst, and Kean, Adams pitched 36 innings, and allowed just 7 ER and 30 H. He allowed just 2 XBH in this stretch, after allowing 11 in his first 26 innings.

Yes, it's a small sample size, but it's the more relevant data given his injury. Had he returned, the Bombers' staff would be a much tougher out than it is now.

Ultimately, unless guys are hurt, Ithaca's early-season California performance is meaningless. Last year's team went 4-4 out there, and this year's team made the trip having played zero games, and given the weather in this god-forsaken city, probably rarely saw a full diamond
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on March 11, 2014, 12:32:52 PM
Did he just decide not to come back?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Big Louie on March 11, 2014, 01:11:35 PM
Adams not being there is a big loss. The kid can pitch and would of been a guy you know you can give the ball to in big games.

Ithaca had played 2 games already before heading to Cali and lets face it no one that doesn't play in the south or west region has probably been outside on diamond. The games in Cali this year have a little more meaning than in the past as they now count towards primary selection criteria. This hasn't been the case up until this year. It'll be interesting to see how this effects the Bombers.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on March 11, 2014, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: Big Louie on March 11, 2014, 01:11:35 PM
Adams not being there is a big loss. The kid can pitch and would of been a guy you know you can give the ball to in big games.

Ithaca had played 2 games already before heading to Cali and lets face it no one that doesn't play in the south or west region has probably been outside on diamond. The games in Cali this year have a little more meaning than in the past as they now count towards primary selection criteria. This hasn't been the case up until this year. It'll be interesting to see how this effects the Bombers.

What games? Exhibitions, I'm guessing? Scrimmages?

On edit: I see that I'm a moron, and missed the first two games. Apologies.

However, I think my point stands. The Bombers have traditionally struggled out West and performed much better upon returning. I'm not going to read too much into it
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 11, 2014, 07:07:32 PM
I agree with the west coast games, but, I hope the scores get a bit closer.  Saw Adams this summer in Elmira about three times, like going to games in summer.  He looked like he got hurt in the one game, hit a bunch of guys, velo. was way down.  Wonder if he is hurt.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 21, 2014, 06:24:20 PM
The Cards keep it rolling winning at Franklin and Marshall 2-1.  Although the score may not inspire Cards fans, Fisher threw a freshman (a good one) against the diplomat ace and the game was played in tough conditions (wind a huge factor).  Anyway, the Cards keep it rolling, move to 9-1 and have a tough DH tomorrow at Haverford.  However, with the three games left on the weekend, D'Amato, Rynerson and Badger are all in line to throw.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 23, 2014, 04:24:47 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 21, 2014, 06:24:20 PM
The Cards keep it rolling winning at Franklin and Marshall 2-1.  Although the score may not inspire Cards fans, Fisher threw a freshman (a good one) against the diplomat ace and the game was played in tough conditions (wind a huge factor).  Anyway, the Cards keep it rolling, move to 9-1 and have a tough DH tomorrow at Haverford.  However, with the three games left on the weekend, D'Amato, Rynerson and Badger are all in line to throw.

Fisher added 3 more winsafter this game on Friady, and now stand at 12-1. I expected Fisher to be able to hit, but the pitching has been very good for them as well. Fisher couldn't have asked for a better start to the season. In the past we always talk about that 30 win mark to get in, and with 12 out of the first 13 games that looks attainable.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 23, 2014, 05:17:19 PM
The lineup balance is impressive and the pitching depth is going to help them.  They made some errors today looking at the box score and left some runners on against a good Widener team that just came off of a sweep of Arcadia who is traditionally a good team.  I have to think that they get into the top 25 this week.  good weekend.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 10:07:36 AM
OK, here we go with some conference games this weekend.  Fisher and Stevens to play Sun. and Mon. now because of weather.  Ithaca 2-0 with sweep of Houghton and play the other two games tomorrow.  Stevens had a nice out of conference win versus William Paterson yesterday.   If Stevens wants to be a top two in the league, they better get two of these...I don't see it happening.  I think Fisher gets three maybe all four.  Ithaca should get the other two versus Houghton. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 28, 2014, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 10:07:36 AM
OK, here we go with some conference games this weekend.  Fisher and Stevens to play Sun. and Mon. now because of weather.  Ithaca 2-0 with sweep of Houghton and play the other two games tomorrow.  Stevens had a nice out of conference win versus William Paterson yesterday.   If Stevens wants to be a top two in the league, they better get two of these...I don't see it happening.  I think Fisher gets three maybe all four.  Ithaca should get the other two versus Houghton.

I have to believe that Stevens has to be putting their best pitching in the CUNYAC, where their path to the playoffs is greater.  These games in the Empire are great for pool C consideration but winning the conference is not going to move a team forward into the post season.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Yes, that would make the most sense.  It's too bad because Stevens has got to the point where they can compete against Ithaca and Fisher but can chose a much easier road in a much weaker league with an AQ...it takes some luster off of the 4 game series.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 28, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Yes, that would make the most sense.  It's too bad because Stevens has got to the point where they can compete against Ithaca and Fisher but can chose a much easier road in a much weaker league with an AQ...it takes some luster off of the 4 game series.

I would love to see the E8 get an automatic bid if they can find seven teams.  There is growth in NY with Houghtton, Bard, Hood, and others starting to play, it might happen.

Then what happens if Stevens wins both conferences and gets both automatic bids, who would get the leftover bid?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 10:41:04 PM
History dictates that the E8 champ will get in.  I believe Fisher won the league a couple of years back and didn't get the bid.  It seems they don't have Ithaca's clout yet when it comes to the NCAA tournament...and they should.  But, that's the way it goes.  If Ithaca gets near 25 wins, they usually get a nod...deservedly or not.  With that said, they have a good program and last year's run won't hurt them!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 01, 2014, 08:19:07 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 10:41:04 PM
History dictates that the E8 champ will get in.  I believe Fisher won the league a couple of years back and didn't get the bid.  It seems they don't have Ithaca's clout yet when it comes to the NCAA tournament...and they should.  But, that's the way it goes.  If Ithaca gets near 25 wins, they usually get a nod...deservedly or not.  With that said, they have a good program and last year's run won't hurt them!

This is the reason it is so important for Fisher to get off to a good start like they have this year. Last year a pretty good Fisher team lost a bunch of really tight games to IC and what ultimately kept them out of the playoffs was a couple bad losses early on (like St. Vincent and Neumann). Without the tau bid, Fisher needs to leave little doubt about what kind of team they are when IC is rolling.

Another issue is the weather. When the weather is bad, like this year, and a number of games get cancelled, every game in Florida and early on become that much more important.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on March 28, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Yes, that would make the most sense.  It's too bad because Stevens has got to the point where they can compete against Ithaca and Fisher but can chose a much easier road in a much weaker league with an AQ...it takes some luster off of the 4 game series.

I would love to see the E8 get an automatic bid if they can find seven teams.  There is growth in NY with Houghtton, Bard, Hood, and others starting to play, it might happen.

Then what happens if Stevens wins both conferences and gets both automatic bids, who would get the leftover bid?
Respectfully, since that post, it has come to light that Yeshiva is not listed on the CUNYAC conference web site. Yeshiva seems to be playing in the Skyline Conference.

The CUNYAC site shows only its 5 teams plus Stevens. "6" is not enough.  (I think that the CUNYAC ought to invite independent St Joe's Brooklyn to affiliate in Baseball and other sports as needed to get the AQ.)

Houghton must complete the 4-year provisional status, before the E8 can count them.

I think that the E-8 AQ bid may come into play when they get close to 7 teams.

Pool B is shrinking at a rapid rate
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2014, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 10:41:04 PM
History dictates that the E8 champ will get in.  I believe Fisher won the league a couple of years back and didn't get the bid.  It seems they don't have Ithaca's clout yet when it comes to the NCAA tournament...and they should.  But, that's the way it goes.  If Ithaca gets near 25 wins, they usually get a nod...deservedly or not.  With that said, they have a good program and last year's run won't hurt them!
Please look at the requirements to earn a Pool B bid, which is how E8 teams get to the Playoffs.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 01, 2014, 11:14:12 PM
Ralph, I am aware of how the Empire 8 is with pool B.  There is no getting close, they have to get to 7.  However, geographically, history has shone that the Empire 8 has received one of those bids, usually Ithaca.  And, honestly, it helps with geography more than anything else.  Technically, there is no Empire 8, it's just a part of pool B which basically is just a pool of at larges.  RIT going into the Liberty League hurt this "league."  If they had stayed, Fisher, Ithaca, Utica, Stevens, Houghton, Elmira (2015) and RIT would have got this group to 7 and the AQ.  Ur right, B is shrinking but they may be an advantage to these teams in regards to getting multiple bids.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 01, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on March 28, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Yes, that would make the most sense.  It's too bad because Stevens has got to the point where they can compete against Ithaca and Fisher but can chose a much easier road in a much weaker league with an AQ...it takes some luster off of the 4 game series.

I would love to see the E8 get an automatic bid if they can find seven teams.  There is growth in NY with Houghtton, Bard, Hood, and others starting to play, it might happen.

Then what happens if Stevens wins both conferences and gets both automatic bids, who would get the leftover bid?
Respectfully, since that post, it has come to light that Yeshiva is not listed on the CUNYAC conference web site. Yeshiva seems to be playing in the Skyline Conference.

The CUNYAC site shows only its 5 teams plus Stevens. "6" is not enough.  (I think that the CUNYAC ought to invite independent St Joe's Brooklyn to affiliate in Baseball and other sports as needed to get the AQ.)

Houghton must complete the 4-year provisional status, before the E8 can count them.

I think that the E-8 AQ bid may come into play when they get close to 7 teams.

Pool B is shrinking at a rapid rate

Not sure what is going on with the CUNYAC but the league does indeed have a Pool A automatic bid this year; I was told this by multiple schools. Yeshiva is an affiliate member of the CUNYAC and a regular member of the Skyline Conference - a school in two leagues, much like Stevens. This appears to be for scheduling purposes as the affiliate status guarantees YU 12 games against league opponents (two versus each side) rather than the Mighty Macs having to go out and schedule X number of non-conference games. So, that gives the league seven teams with the five main schools plus affiliates Stevens and Yeshiva.

However, Ralph is correct in that the CUNY standings only list six teams and it appears that games against Yeshiva do not count in the standings. However, the Macs are scheduled to play a full league slate. This is indeed a unique set-up.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on April 02, 2014, 02:24:01 PM
Those games against Yeshiva may not count in the standings because they may have a 2 yr probationary period.  I know Stevens went through this the past 2 yrs and this is their first season they are eligible for CUNY awards and tournament.  This is just my guess.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 03, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
The Bombers are picking up some steam, now 11-4. The offense is still lacking compared to last season, and there are some struggles with the staff, but they're getting there.

John Prendergast is insane right now. The competition hasn't been great but a 0.34 ERA in 26 innings and a 27/1 K/BB rate? Filthy.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 03, 2014, 11:07:07 PM
Ithaca playing some easy wins lately.  Houghton, Oneonta, Caz...yikes.  Those numbers are great for Prendergast...should be some good pitching matchups later in the season when the Bomb squad and Fisher hooks up. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 04, 2014, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: DucksBB on April 02, 2014, 02:24:01 PM
Those games against Yeshiva may not count in the standings because they may have a 2 yr probationary period.  I know Stevens went through this the past 2 yrs and this is their first season they are eligible for CUNY awards and tournament.  This is just my guess.

From the recent article posted on D3baseball.com, what does this mean for the future of the CUNYAC? Will there be a push to add a 7th team since Yeshiva won't be a mainstay? Or will Yeshiva leave the Skyline, and only compete in the CUNYAC?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 06, 2014, 10:46:06 PM
Ithaca with a good series at Stevens getting three of four.  I thought Stevens would split that series...I thought wrong.  Fisher with two shutout wins against Utica.  Don't sleep on the two arms Utica threw today.  Check out the strikeout numbers, both guys throw hard enough and have command of their breaking stuff...they could beat someone.  Fisher at Utica tomorrow, if Utica can pitch like this, not easy wins anymore.  Fisher arms just real good, freshman sidearmer very impressive.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 07, 2014, 09:24:05 AM
It's not completely there yet, but it's great to see more parity in a small, competitive conference. It should make the E8 regular season winner as close to a lock as possible for a Pool B bid. It looks like most of the schools in the E8 have fairly strong schedule strengths to help that argument.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 07, 2014, 02:10:14 PM
I didn't think Ithaca's bats would struggle like this. The loss of Locastro was a killer, but there's been some returning players underperforming

Matt Connolly was .380/.444/.500 last year and is .276/.323/.379 this season
Luke Stark was .326/.418/.385 last year and is .294/.463/.333 this season
Christian Brown was .300/.350/.396 last year and is .156/.263/.203 this season

The team's actually getting on base at a better clip than last season, but there's been a bunch of other issues. In addition to fewer hits, and XBH, this year's team, at their current pace, would leave 36 more men on base, hit into 11 more double plays, and have 10 more guys picked off. That's 57

In the 2nd inning of the Cal Lutheran loss, Ithaca scored a run on a triple and then a single. After the single, there was a wild pitch, a hit by pitch, two walks, and a passed ball. Ithaca managed to not score again in the inning. This probably sums up their struggles aptly

On the one hand, this is frustrating. On the other, you'd have to hope that Connolly and Brown's numbers go up, at least marginally.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 07, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
That may not be a bad thing though.  Getting hot later in the season with regular game play may be just what the offense ordered.  It still comes down to pitching and defense.  Fisher is good, their lineup has good depth.  It is a good sign though for Ithaca to not give up more than 5 at Stevens in any game. That park is tiny.  Ithaca is taking the same path they did last year...they were 4-4 last season.  Perdergrast and Damato may be one of the best matchups in college D3 ball all spring. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 08, 2014, 12:41:35 PM
I agree, the D'Amato/Prendergast match-up would definitely be a game to watch live!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 15, 2014, 11:22:55 PM
Here we go this weekend...Ithaca and Fisher.  Nothing against Stevens, but, this is for the title.  A three out of four basically clinches it.  It also may be enough for both of these teams to go 2-2 and still get at large bids.  I think the key is Prentergast.  If Fisher can beat him, and, I have to think it will be him and D'Amato in game one, then they could have a big series. Both teams are hot, Fisher is deep in the lineup and both teams seem to have four good starters with an edge to Fisher in the K category there.  Should be a good series and one the rest of the region will be watching.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 20, 2014, 05:45:48 PM
Bombers pick up 3 of 4 from Fisher after a bad loss to Rochester, and now have a trio of quality wins. Cortland next
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 27, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
Houghton takes 3 of 4 from St. John Fisher. Is the E8 getting even stronger? Will this affect SJF in the regional rankings?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 28, 2014, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on April 27, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
Houghton takes 3 of 4 from St. John Fisher. Is the E8 getting even stronger? Will this affect SJF in the regional rankings?

Houghton was 9-18 heading into those games. Their previous wins came over:

1-24 Valley Forge Christian (2)
7-17 Utica (2)
9-27 Iowa Wesleyan (2)
9-25 Alfred State
20-19 Eastern Mennonite
17-18 St. Vincent

They've got some decent pitchers, but Fisher scored five runs in three losses. Close losses, yes. But to lose 3 of 4 to a team like Houghton, that's not good.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 28, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
Yes, not a very strong OOWP (opponent's opponents win-percentage) for St. John Fisher with regards to Houghton. Does Houghton being provisional save SJF from a fall in ranking?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 28, 2014, 02:17:51 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on April 28, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
Yes, not a very strong OOWP (opponent's opponents win-percentage) for St. John Fisher with regards to Houghton. Does Houghton being provisional save SJF from a fall in ranking?

Houghton is in the second year of the provisional process so Fisher's regional record will not be impacted. That said, I still think Fisher losing three out of four to a sub-.500 Houghton team will not help its cause. Fisher is competing for a Pool B or C bid to the NCAA tournament against teams from across the nation so the Cardinals will need to be very good over the final few weeks of the season to keep themselves in the playoff discussion.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 28, 2014, 06:18:09 PM
Well said Dr. McGraw, but Fisher still sits with a record of 22-6 for games that count so it shouldn't be a killer.  They need to take the series from Stevens.  However, no one else in the region really outside of Cortland and Ithaca have made a series case to be at larges if for some reason they (Cortland) got upset in their tournaments.  That last win over Keystone was vital for the Cardinals.  Should be an interesting last couple of weeks.  Bottom line, the Ithaca's and Fisher's etc...need form to hold, Cortland, Union, etc..to win their conference tourny's
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on April 28, 2014, 08:24:35 PM
Good points, gentlemen.  SJF's strength of schedule (115th in the country) also may have something to do with their low loss total of six.  They are a very good team, but they typically are weak in that ranking.  The Houghton losses may not count officially, but they will be remembered.

My friend airball, this comment is probably more appropriate for the general NY thread, but I think a case could be made for Rochester, even if it is a long shot based on their 23-14 record.  They beat two ranked teams (Ithaca 6-0, Case Western 3-2) and lost to Case, 6-5, in Florida.  They took 3 of 4 from RPI, beat Brockport, had to play Emory (27-9) twice, and Wash U. (24-14) twice.  Their 3-9 start may cost them, but their 20-5 run since then should be considered. 

At least their league gets the auto-bid for the berth to the dance, so they have no excuses if they don't get that done.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 28, 2014, 09:20:54 PM
I looked at rochester but the LL isnt a two bid league.  UR did well Against league teams but i just get two teams from LL.  Rochester needs a good postseason.  They typically struggle in the postseason but They have played better of late.  Fisher did get ithaca for 4...stevens for 4...keystone for 2...widener is an ncaa team...i wonder how two teams so close didnt play this year?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: baseballislife on April 28, 2014, 09:48:18 PM
You are probably right about two LL teams getting in.  Until one steps up and gets beyond the regional (or gets there on a regular basis), the league probably has not earned that.

Fisher is 3-4 in those games you list.  They probably need a sweep this weekend, IMO.

True fact that UR has struggled in the tournament in the past, but that won't have any impact on this year.  There just need to win the tourney and then they are in.  Until they do, there will always be doubters. 

UR and Fisher typically play twice per year, but this year were only scheduled for one.  When that got washed out, it never got rescheduled.  You hear things, but I hate rumors.  UR has been trying to add a game(s) for this Thurs. - Sun. for several weeks since their regular season schedule ends tomorrow with a re-match @ Brockport.  No takers.  The weekend is obviously tough since most already have games, but too bad they can't get one for Thurs.  They will have 9 days to rest up for the tourney and study for finals!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 28, 2014, 11:48:13 PM
It is too bad they don't play.  I certainly don't see why Fisher wouldn't play, they have had quite the run against Rochester area teams over the past five years.  I have seen pretty much everyone this year.  Cortland is in a class of their own, however, they will draw Oneonta's ace who is good and could drop that one.  Fisher out extra base hit Ithaca 16-5 on the weekend and lost three of four.  I don't think I have ever seen that. They are dangerous if they get rolling.  I just don't see Ithaca as of now, not enough on the bump.  Oswego has to be considered some, 3-1 against Cortland/Ithaca.  I can see the Jackets winning the LL, they have played well on the road. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 29, 2014, 12:02:54 PM
Fisher did all the little things necessary to lose those Ithaca games.

Walks issued:
Fisher: 17
Ithaca: 5

Errors:
Fisher: 7
IC: 3

Hit batters:
Fisher: 5
Ithaca: 1

Baserunning
Fisher: 0-for-2 on steal attempts, 3 picked off
Ithaca: 11-for-13 on steal attempts, 0 picked off

These little things make the difference in close games against good teams, and I think it explains a lot about what's happened to the Cardinals. If they don't get a lot of hits, they don't score.

Fisher is 4-6 in games where they get 10 or fewer hits. In those 10 games they've averaged 5.8 hits per game and 1.7 runs. They have scored more than two runs just once.

Ithaca is 15-4 in those types of games, and in those 19 contests, they have averaged 6.1 hits per game but 4.3 runs. They've scored five runs or more 11 times in those games. Ithaca's (somehow) managed to score runs when they don't get hits. Fisher hasn't

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 29, 2014, 01:13:29 PM
YES!! Very well done Bomber.  I got to say, Coach Val has done a great job with this team, they aren't the typical Ithaca with big physical kids and 5-6 pitchers who will run it in at 85+.  Fisher is very talented, honestly, the region should root against them getting in.  They easily have the tools to make a run.  I had a chance to see some of the Ithaca series, you line up the guys and Fisher is just better than Ithaca, but, that does not win games.  Doing the little things does.  The picks, situational hitting, stealing bases by count, etc...they didn't do that weekend.  Your post is spot on.  I still think that Ithaca and Fisher are two of the top three teams with Cortland..i would throw Oswego right there with them by there 3-1 record against Cortland and Ithaca.  Pendregast is the perfect example of a smart player.  He won't blow it by you, but, he does not walk anyone and has impeccable command.  He kind of exemplifies this Ithaca team.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 29, 2014, 02:28:07 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 29, 2014, 01:13:29 PM
YES!! Very well done Bomber.  I got to say, Coach Val has done a great job with this team, they aren't the typical Ithaca with big physical kids and 5-6 pitchers who will run it in at 85+.  Fisher is very talented, honestly, the region should root against them getting in.  They easily have the tools to make a run.  I had a chance to see some of the Ithaca series, you line up the guys and Fisher is just better than Ithaca, but, that does not win games.  Doing the little things does.  The picks, situational hitting, stealing bases by count, etc...they didn't do that weekend.  Your post is spot on.  I still think that Ithaca and Fisher are two of the top three teams with Cortland..i would throw Oswego right there with them by there 3-1 record against Cortland and Ithaca.  Pendregast is the perfect example of a smart player.  He won't blow it by you, but, he does not walk anyone and has impeccable command.  He kind of exemplifies this Ithaca team.

I've heard on more than one occasion that this Ithaca team is doing it "with smoke and mirrors" and there's probably some truth to that. Fisher is a more talented team, but they played an awful series against IC (and still probably could have won all four games).

I really wish Ithaca could have played Cortland, just to possibly give them another quality win. Remember last season, when Cortland basically tossed out the back of their staff against IC and got pounded? The Bombers could use a break like that again.

A final thought-- When looking at the rosters from 2013 to see if that claim about the staff was right, I realized something that needs repeating. Zack Graczyk had no business winning the NY region player of the year over Tim Locastro. None. Locastro outplayed him all season and was so good in the CWS it was scary.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 29, 2014, 04:27:40 PM
I do, Cortland is still the obvious choice, Pendregast against Fisher was out of the game in the first!! They had the pen working, his velo. was way down and they didn't knock him out, only scoring two.  Honestly, he looked hurt.  Then, he settled in, was probably 82-83 the rest of the game but just carved.  Competes.  It is too bad there was no Cortland IC game.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 03, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Fisher got a much needed sweep of Stevens today in two strong pitching performances from D'Amato and Iseneker. I am not sure what Fisher needs to do to get themselves into the regional but another sweep tomorrow would really help. Currently at 25-9, with six games left (two with Stevens, RIT, Brockport, and two with Utica) does 4-2 get them in? 3-3?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 03, 2014, 06:27:16 PM
Houghton games don't count.  That's why they did some different things, no excuse though.  They are 24-6 in the region and that is a pretty good number
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 04, 2014, 02:25:04 PM
Another come from behind win for Fisher in game 1 today. Looking for the sweep this afternoon.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 10, 2014, 05:35:53 PM
Does anyone know when the regional teams and schedule will be announced?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on May 10, 2014, 06:17:11 PM
Actually committee meets Sunday ......announces field early Monday ...... NY regional at Newark, NY hosted by Ithaca. Would be nice if Bombers get invited. Tradition helps?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2014, 06:25:39 PM
Fisher cruises in Metro ECAC...puts regional record at 30-8.  With Ithaca losing today against Brockport it puts their regional record at 22-10.  This is going to be an interesting call this year.  Cortland, Union, Farmingdale and Stevens all win their AQ's.  Cortland and Fisher only two teams to get to 30 for wins.  Rochester, Oswego and Brockport have no shot.  Has Fisher and Ithaca done enough to get in.  Bombers drop last two to St. Law and Brockport.  What was once an easy pick (Ithaca) may not be anymore. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 11, 2014, 08:54:36 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 10, 2014, 06:25:39 PM
Fisher cruises in Metro ECAC...puts regional record at 30-8.  With Ithaca losing today against Brockport it puts their regional record at 22-10.  This is going to be an interesting call this year.  Cortland, Union, Farmingdale and Stevens all win their AQ's.  Cortland and Fisher only two teams to get to 30 for wins.  Rochester, Oswego and Brockport have no shot.  Has Fisher and Ithaca done enough to get in.  Bombers drop last two to St. Law and Brockport.  What was once an easy pick (Ithaca) may not be anymore.

I would like to think that by getting to the 30 win plateau would get Fisher in, but you never know. IC has a good argument as well, but I would think they may be on the outside looking in. We find out soon enough...
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 11, 2014, 11:30:09 PM
Ithaca only played two games in the past two weeks and went 0-2.  I can't see them getting in.  Fisher goes 30-8 in region, 8-2 against NCAA teams.  Honestly, I think they get in and may even be a two seed.  This will be an interesting seeding this season.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on May 12, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
No Empire 8 teams! This league really needs to figure out a way to get an automatic bid. Hopefully Ithaca will be on board now that they were left at the alter and still have to host.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 12, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 12, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
No Empire 8 teams! This league really needs to figure out a way to get an automatic bid. Hopefully Ithaca will be on board now that they were left at the alter and still have to host.

Not entirely true. Stevens, representing the CUNYAC, will play in the Newark regional.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 12, 2014, 08:47:56 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 12, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
No Empire 8 teams! This league really needs to figure out a way to get an automatic bid. Hopefully Ithaca will be on board now that they were left at the alter and still have to host.

WOW...I did not see that coming. I thought Fisher was about as close to a lock as could be considering the 30 wins, 8-2 vs tourny teams that someone else mentioned, etc. What more can they do?

PC any insight as to what the rationale was for the decision to leave out IC and Fisher?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 12, 2014, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 12, 2014, 08:47:56 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 12, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
No Empire 8 teams! This league really needs to figure out a way to get an automatic bid. Hopefully Ithaca will be on board now that they were left at the alter and still have to host.

WOW...I did not see that coming. I thought Fisher was about as close to a lock as could be considering the 30 wins, 8-2 vs tourny teams that someone else mentioned, etc. What more can they do?

PC any insight as to what the rationale was for the decision to leave out IC and Fisher?

After looking at the projections I see PC and the gang did not have Fisher in either. In fact they didn't have them listed anywhere in the discussion. Was there something I am missing that Fisher wouldn't even be on the bubble?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 12, 2014, 09:30:05 AM
To me, Ithaca was not even in the conversation.  They only played two games in the last two weeks, lost both and had a regional record of 22-10.  Fisher, played anyone and everyone, got to 30 and still didn't get in. I guarantee that if Ithaca had the same resume, they would be playing.  I looked pretty close at the selections and Baldwin Wallace just shocks me. They had some real nice wins, but, also had some pretty bad loses.  It is supposed to be based on region record, Fisher obviously doesn't get the nod.  So, at the end of the day, the two and three teams by rankings in NY don't get in.  That pretty much sums up what the committee thinks of NY. 30-8 and they didn't even get in the conversation.  Yikes.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: AlleyCat on May 12, 2014, 12:16:24 PM
The NCAA committee had never thought of NY as a good region. It's a shame but until NY gets the walnut and bronze and is in the discussion every year as a contender, the committee looks at it as a place to ship other teams. I agree, St John Fisher should probably had a better look. 2 words for the Empire 8 - automatic bid. Find a way to make it happen.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2014, 01:39:51 PM
Fisher played 7 games against RRO, went 3-4 in those games, and had an SOS that was 92nd.

Baldwin Wallace played (I think) 20 games against RRO, went 11-9 in those games and finished with an SOS that ranked 13th.

I mean, if Ithaca's "not even in the conversation," and, at least according to the Regional Rankings, the Bombers were one of Fisher's strongest opponents, and Fisher lost three of those four games, exactly what is holding up their resume?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on May 12, 2014, 01:45:21 PM
The E8 is still several years from an AQ. Even with Elmira joining next year, the conference will sit at 6 teams. Once a seventh team joins, the conference will have a 2-year provisional term before an AQ is granted, correct?

Does anyone know of conversations about a seventh baseball member joining the conference? Which unaffiliated colleges could be considered, or colleges looking to jump into the E8?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 12, 2014, 02:54:30 PM
30-8 for fisher.  8-2 against NCAA tournament teams, which, was in the discussion.  A top 100 strength of schedule.  Number two in the region.  If you took the names off of Cortland and Fisher, just compared resumes...you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.  Listen, they dropped the ball against Ithaca at home, hats off to a bombers squad that did what they could without their starting SS and basically 5 pitchers.  Honestly, even if Fisher took 2 or three, I still don't think they get it.  Ithaca played 2 games the last two weeks!!! I think Coach V. thought they had done enough, but, taking three of four against the region's number two team wasn't enough at the time.  They also I believe had the most wins in the region against .500 or better opponents, another part of the criteria.  I wish for all NY to get a bit more love.  30-8 is 30-8.  As for the AQ, with Elmira it gets the league to six with no other team on the horizon.  Good for RIT moving to a league where they at least can play for it.  An AQ is a big deal for these teams.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on May 12, 2014, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on May 12, 2014, 01:45:21 PM
The E8 is still several years from an AQ. Even with Elmira joining next year, the conference will sit at 6 teams. Once a seventh team joins, the conference will have a 2-year provisional term before an AQ is granted, correct?

Does anyone know of conversations about a seventh baseball member joining the conference? Which unaffiliated colleges could be considered, or colleges looking to jump into the E8?

Alfred State, currently transitioning from the NJCAA, could be a possible affiliate member in baseball depending on which multi-sport conference the school joins.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2014, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 12, 2014, 02:54:30 PM
30-8 for fisher.  8-2 against NCAA tournament teams, which, was in the discussion.  A top 100 strength of schedule.  Number two in the region.  If you took the names off of Cortland and Fisher, just compared resumes...you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.  Listen, they dropped the ball against Ithaca at home, hats off to a bombers squad that did what they could without their starting SS and basically 5 pitchers.  Honestly, even if Fisher took 2 or three, I still don't think they get it.  Ithaca played 2 games the last two weeks!!! I think Coach V. thought they had done enough, but, taking three of four against the region's number two team wasn't enough at the time.  They also I believe had the most wins in the region against .500 or better opponents, another part of the criteria.  I wish for all NY to get a bit more love.  30-8 is 30-8.  As for the AQ, with Elmira it gets the league to six with no other team on the horizon.  Good for RIT moving to a league where they at least can play for it.  An AQ is a big deal for these teams.

http://d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament#pool

1. "8-2 against NCAA tournament teams"
2. "They also I believe had the most wins in the region against .500 or better opponents"
3. "Number two in the region."

Unless I'm misinterpreting something, none of these things are mentioned as selection criteria.

4. "A top 100 strength of schedule."

96th. Only one Pool C team had an SOS below 38. (Tufts, 97th). Given how borderline Tufts was, not the argument you think it is.


5. "Ithaca played 2 games the last two weeks!!!"

Irrelevant, since Ithaca did not qualify for the NCAAs, no one has claimed that they should have, and we're discussing St. John Fisher. Also--and stop me if you've heard this before--not part of the selection criteria


Again, I may be misinterpreting the wording here, so if someone feels like correcting me, go ahead. But I don't see how most of what you brought up in your post has anything to do with the actual criteria for selection
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on May 12, 2014, 04:27:15 PM
Yes, Alfred State is a possibility. How many more years until Alfred State is a full DIII member? This chart makes it seem like not until 2017-2018, 4 more years, but I thought provisional members only had a 2-year period.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2014-15%20Provisional%2C%20Reclassifying%20and%20Exploratory%20Chart.pdf
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 12, 2014, 06:56:23 PM
Sorry, let me clarify.  Win-loss versus D3 opponents: 30-8 .789%. Strength of schedule in region..no one in NY does to well here because not everyone plays Cortland.  The .500 point I made was OWP, etc...Make no mistake, I am pulling for everyone here. The strength of opponents opponents and etc...I am not going to read that far.  Bottom line is that that Fisher didn't get it done against Ithaca and my point was it may still not have mattered.  In Ithaca's case, D3 baseball kept bringing them up in the discussion, that's why I brought them up, I just thought Fisher's overall body of work was better.  I just don't see how these teams can make it unless they win 33-35 games.  One bad weekend and pooooof, it's over.  I certainly hoped Ithaca would have had the chance to defend the regional.  This tells you how far off I was, not only did I think Fisher would make it...they would be the two seed. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on May 13, 2014, 10:02:04 AM
It's a very difficult road to the NCAA tournament, particularly as a Pool B team. A Pool B team's criteria needs to be as strong, if not much stronger, than other teams who may earn an AQ (especially those who are not favorites to win a conference tournament).

In-region records only
AQ: Haverford (22-18, #51); no bid: Gettysburg (31-8, #254)
AQ: Illinois Wesleyan (24-16, #39); no bid: Augustana (29-12, #166)
AQ: Worcester St. (24-13, #123); no bid: Salem St. (29-16, #70)
AQ: DePauw (23-19, #91); no bid: Wooster (29-15, #60), Allegheny (27-14, #57)
AQ: Thomas More (23-17, #281); no bid: Washington & Jefferson (29-15, #143)

AQ: John Carroll (24-15, #7) with Marietta (29-14, #2) and Heidelberg (31-11, #12) earning bids also.
AQ: Wesleyan (27-11, #140) with Tufts (31-7, #97) and Amherst (28-9, #32) earning bids also.

Other Pool C bids:
Moravian (32-10, #28)
Southern Maine (31-12, #15)
Kean (31-12, #38)
Rutgers-Camden (26-11-1, #22)
Baldwin-Wallace (25-14, #13)
Shenandoah (31-9, #19)
Birmingham Southern (35-10, #30)
Rhodes (27-14, #26)
UW-Stevens Pt. (29-11, #3)
UW-La Crosse (26-16, #4)


In comparison to the 2 who earned bids, the correct bids were given.

Case (30-10; 30-10, .750; .5844(18); #14)
Emory (29-10; 27-9, .750; .5894(13); #16)

Ithaca (26-10; 22-10, .688; .5623(43); #42)
SJFC (31-11; 30-8, .789; .5390(95); #96)


Unfortunately, 2014 was a year where 30-8 as a pool B just wasn't enough. One very big reason why the Empire8 needs to expand for an AQ. If other top 50 SOS teams would have won Pool A bids, then it may have helped SJFC's chances.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2014, 02:31:31 PM
It's not that 30 wins isn't enough, it's that there weren't enough quality wins and they went 1-3 against Ithaca. Ithaca was probably higher in the regional rankings, and so if Ithaca doesn't get in, Fisher isn't even on the board.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on May 13, 2014, 05:21:40 PM
Thought here is Ithaca being twice weathered out of games with Cortland dearly cost the Bombers. Though it's a big rivalry, games meant more to IC since it has no league AQ. Cortland foremost is conference-minded. Win there, get homefield tourney edge, and let the NCAA playoffs begin. Cortland/Ithaca series always mid-week when Joe Brown will throw down-the-line arms, who have struggled this season. IC staff a bit deeper. CSt offense, with more punch, probably would have had to deliver to beat hungrier Ithaca. Not having win(s) over Corts on its resume major blow IMO
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on May 13, 2014, 08:21:11 PM
Great discussion.  Fisher has to play their conference.  Rochester won't play them.  They beat teams in the worst region in the country and paid for it.  They did go 8-2 against NCAA teams (3-1 Stevens, 1-0 Widener, 1-1 Keystone, 1-0 Rose Hulman, 2-0 Haverford).  I give them credit for playing good teams out of state.  Cortland needs to play the Fisher's and Ithaca's, no doubt.  Not sure why that isn't happening.  As for Cortland's staff, I hope for their safe that's not true in the regional, or it will be bye bye.  Ithaca staff really thin, basically the same five guys all the time.  Ultimately, if Fisher drops 3 of 4 against Ithaca, and that decided their fate, they should just go independent and not play in any conference.  Same for Ithaca, if they have one bad weekend and that's it...then NY is screwed because those two teams are in the top three in the state right now and they won't get a sniff at the NCAA's.  And last I checked, losing to Ithaca isn't all that bad.  Oh well, let's just hope the NY teams represent well.  Fisher ends up ahead of Ithaca in ABCA poll, both teams in top 25, Fisher may be 2 in region as well, neither get in.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 23, 2014, 10:48:08 AM
Flemister and D'Amato of Fisher were both named All-American yesterday. Flemister named 1st team, and D'Amato named as an honorable-mention. Flemister was also named the New York Region player of the year.

Congrats to both!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on February 20, 2015, 12:51:40 PM
http://empire8.com/news/2015/2/19/BB_0219150131.aspx

SUNY Canton has been added to the Empire 8 as an affiliate member for baseball. A tournament will be held at the end of the regular season to crown an Empire 8 champion. With the addition of Canton, the league now has seven baseball playing members which is the threshold for an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. Normally there is a wait time for a league to be granted an AQ after it reaches seven teams.


Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2015, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on February 20, 2015, 12:51:40 PM
http://empire8.com/news/2015/2/19/BB_0219150131.aspx

SUNY Canton has been added to the Empire 8 as an affiliate member for baseball. A tournament will be held at the end of the regular season to crown an Empire 8 champion. With the addition of Canton, the league now has seven baseball playing members which is the threshold for an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. Normally there is a wait time for a league to be granted an AQ after it reaches seven teams.

Quoting KnightSlappy's summary from the Men's Multi-Region Hoops Board

Quote from: KnightSlappy on September 10, 2014, 09:13:01 AM
Conference Changes Starting in 2014-2015
Bryn Athyn joins the NEAC (should be a 1st year provisional member in 2014-15)
Elizabethtown leaves the MACC for the LAND
McMurry rejoins Division III and the ASC (should be Year 1 reclassifying member in 2014-15)
Mississippi College leaves the ASC for Division II  (Going to the D-2 Gulf South Conference)
Penn College joins the NEAC (should be a 1st year provisional member in 2014-15)
Sarah Lawrence joins the SKY (should be a 4th year provisional in 2014-15, skipping Provisional Year 3 via NCAA waiver)
Wilson to add Men's basketball and join the NEAC
Midwest Region renamed Central Region in Men's Basketball
CAC realigned from multi-region to Mid-Atlantic Region
CSAC realigned from Mid-Atlantic to Atlantic Region
HCAC realigned from Central to Great Lakes Region
LAND realigned from multi-region to Mid-Atlantic Region
MACF realigned from Mid-Atlantic to Atlantic Region
NEAC realigned from mult-region to East Region
WIAC realigned from West to Central Region

Provisional Pipeline for 2014-2015
(First year of full membership: Centenary (La.))
4th year provisional members: Sarah Lawrence, SUNY-Canton
3rd year provisional members: Houghton, Southern Virginia, Valley Forge
2nd year provisional members: Iowa Wesleyan
1st year provisional members: Bryn Athyn, Penn College, Berea, Alfred State, Illinois Tech, McMurry (reclassifying)
Exploratory members: Belhaven
*Alfred State and Illinois Tech were not advanced to Year 2 status.

Conference Changes Starting in 2015-2016
Belhaven joins the ASC (should be Year 1 Provisional Member)
Chatham to add Men's basketball and join the PrAC.
St. Josephs (Blkyn.) leaves the independent ranks and joins the SKY
UW-Superior leaves the WIAC for the UMAC

Conference Changes Starting in 2016-2017
Carroll leaves the MWC for the CCIW
I also think that Houghton and SUNY Canton will need to be full D-3 members.

My guess is that the Conference earns its Pool A baseball bid in 2017, when Houghton is the 7th full member.

I respect the E8 Presidents and Commissioners Office to understand the quickest way to get the Pool A bid, so I think the timing of adding SUNY Canton is to facilitate the 2017 baseball bid.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2015, 11:29:05 AM
Congratulations!  I am very happy for you!  Schools have added baseball because of the Pool Bid process.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2015, 11:30:42 AM
Where will SUNY-Canton land for a conference full membership?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on March 28, 2015, 11:25:51 AM
Adding SUNY-Canton to the Empire 8 means the conference will be at the required 7 teams for an automatic bid. Is there a 2-year provisional period before an AQ is granted?

Any thoughts on the E8 layout now that many of the teams have played 10+ games?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 28, 2015, 11:49:09 AM
My son's team OWU plated SJF in Florida after traveling by bus from Ohio and never playing outside. We still won. I am not sure SJF, is their normal self.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 31, 2015, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on March 28, 2015, 11:49:09 AM
My son's team OWU plated SJF in Florida after traveling by bus from Ohio and never playing outside. We still won. I am not sure SJF, is their normal self.

It has been a rough start to the season for Fisher. Though given the graduation losses and having to replace just about the entire pitching staff, the start hasn't been that surprising. I'm interested to see how the team will fare in league play after a tough non-conference schedule. Big series for the Cardinals this weekend at Stevens, weather permitting.

Heading into April, Utica (8-3) and Houghton (10-7) have the best overall records in the conference. Stevens (8-9), Fisher (6-10) and Ithaca (2-7) have all had struggles in the early season. Meanwhile, first-year program Elmira has played just four games due to weather cancellations.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2015, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on March 28, 2015, 11:25:51 AM
Adding SUNY-Canton to the Empire 8 means the conference will be at the required 7 teams for an automatic bid. Is there a 2-year provisional period before an AQ is granted?

Any thoughts on the E8 layout now that many of the teams have played 10+ games?

Yes, there is a two-year waiting period.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on March 31, 2015, 12:24:38 PM
http://theithacan.org/sports/a-valiant-leader/ (http://theithacan.org/sports/a-valiant-leader/)

Fantastic longform piece on George Valesente's career from the Ithaca College student newspaper.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 31, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on March 31, 2015, 12:24:38 PM
http://theithacan.org/sports/a-valiant-leader/ (http://theithacan.org/sports/a-valiant-leader/)

Fantastic longform piece on George Valesente's career from the Ithaca College student newspaper.

Tremendous article. Read this last week and shared it with a ton of people. On a side note, hopefully the weather will cooperate and Ithaca will be able to actually play some games sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 31, 2015, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 31, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on March 31, 2015, 12:24:38 PM
http://theithacan.org/sports/a-valiant-leader/ (http://theithacan.org/sports/a-valiant-leader/)

Fantastic longform piece on George Valesente's career from the Ithaca College student newspaper.

Tremendous article. Read this last week and shared it with a ton of people. On a side note, hopefully the weather will cooperate and Ithaca will be able to actually play some games sooner rather than later.

I have to second what a great coaching team Ithaca has. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 01, 2015, 11:07:08 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 31, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
On a side note, hopefully the weather will cooperate and Ithaca will be able to actually play some games sooner rather than later.

Yesterday marked the first time the team had played a game in state all season.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on April 14, 2015, 12:44:32 PM
Any one have info on format for the E8 Conference Championship?  I'm assuming maybe a one and done elimination but hoping for double elimination....
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: d3d3d3 on December 17, 2015, 11:00:36 AM
Ithaca leaving E8:
http://athletics.ithaca.edu/news/2015/12/17/BB_1217151424.aspx
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on December 17, 2015, 04:45:32 PM
What does this do to the future of the Empire 8? Now back down to 6 teams, are there other potential members on the horizon? If not, it's unfortunate for the remaining E8 members.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on December 17, 2015, 04:45:32 PM
What does this do to the future of the Empire 8? Now back down to 6 teams, are there other potential members on the horizon? If not, it's unfortunate for the remaining E8 members.
I still think that the E8 can shore up the numbers to keep the AQ by then.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on December 28, 2015, 03:05:01 PM
Might there be other Defectors to the LL. The LL lost some members to the NEWMAC when they added Football.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on January 06, 2016, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on December 17, 2015, 04:45:32 PM
What does this do to the future of the Empire 8? Now back down to 6 teams, are there other potential members on the horizon? If not, it's unfortunate for the remaining E8 members.
I still think that the E8 can shore up the numbers to keep the AQ by then.

Can the E8 earn an AQ and have a provisional time period to add another member to retain the bid? Or does the 2-year provisional period reset now that Ithaca is leaving?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on January 06, 2016, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on December 17, 2015, 04:45:32 PM
What does this do to the future of the Empire 8? Now back down to 6 teams, are there other potential members on the horizon? If not, it's unfortunate for the remaining E8 members.
I still think that the E8 can shore up the numbers to keep the AQ by then.

Can the E8 earn an AQ and have a provisional time period to add another member to retain the bid? Or does the 2-year provisional period reset now that Ithaca is leaving?
That is a good question. I think that the AQ is preserved if the membership is fluid, but the conference has 4 core members and at least 7 total core and affiliate members at all times.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on February 29, 2016, 01:07:12 PM
Ithaca doesn't look like themselves out the gate so far. Any insight?

Stevens playing ok, starting pitching seems to be fairly strong. Beat Kean but late inning loss to William Paterson.

St. John Fisher starting pitching starts out very strong in Florida, but offense struggles.

Houghton and Elmira open to 1-10 start combined.

Any other thoughts around the Empire 8?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on February 29, 2016, 01:10:18 PM
Fisher can pitch but the schedule is tough the rest of the week.  They look solid as does Stevens.  Similar teams with real good pitching.  Ithaca hasn't been all that great the past couple of years but I am a bit surprised as to how bad they have been getting beat.  The rest of the league is just that...the rest of the league.  I still think it comes down to Stevens and Fisher at the end of the season.  That's my two cents.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on March 01, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
Saw the two Stevens games this weekend.  Saturday was a tough one...up 8-0 thru 6 and lost 9-8.  Two blown saves this weekend.  Early losses show coach what he does or doesn't have on the bench and bullpen.  Starting pitching not a concern at this point.  Few too many errors which will be worked out.  Hitting is an improvement over years past.  Chemistry is good on this team.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on March 07, 2016, 05:05:34 PM
NY region is representing itself well.  The SUNYAC teams Cortland, Oswego, Brockport off to outstanding starts.  Stevens and Fisher have good wins against tough schedules.  Pretty impressive. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
Welcome to the boards, NYbaseballguy.  +1!

Keep on posting and contributing.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on March 22, 2016, 01:49:12 PM
Ithaca is 6-6, and their pitching is just dreadful.

I wonder if John Prendergast is done. If so, that's really sad news. In 2013 and 2014, he went a combined 19-1 with a 2.29 ERA. He threw one inning last year, and has thrown just two this season. Bummer to see one of the elite pitchers in the region have his career end this way.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on March 24, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
It is unfortunate for Prendergast and IC. He hasn't pitched in over a week, so difficult to say that he's done yet, but he's likely not the same pitcher he was pre-2015 injury.

Any takes on the other E8 teams thus far? Stevens struggled in CA against good competition, St. John Fisher is 8-6 against a respectable schedule, Ithaca looks to be struggling on the mound, Houghton is 9-9 with wins against a weaker schedule.

12-13 or more losses as a Pool B conference could be the line for an E8 team to get a bid or not.
Losses:
Houghton 9
Stevens 8
Ithaca 7
St. John Fisher 6
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 24, 2016, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on March 24, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
It is unfortunate for Prendergast and IC. He hasn't pitched in over a week, so difficult to say that he's done yet, but he's likely not the same pitcher he was pre-2015 injury.

Any takes on the other E8 teams thus far? Stevens struggled in CA against good competition, St. John Fisher is 8-6 against a respectable schedule, Ithaca looks to be struggling on the mound, Houghton is 9-9 with wins against a weaker schedule.

12-13 or more losses as a Pool B conference could be the line for an E8 team to get a bid or not.
Losses:
Houghton 9
Stevens 8
Ithaca 7
St. John Fisher 6

Unfortunately for the E8 teams, Pool B has become an uphill battle, even more so now with the extremely limited number of tournament spots available. I stand by my prediction in the regional preview that the league title will come down to Stevens and Fisher. One would surmise that the winner of the league, assuming it can get through the conference tournament relatively unscathed, would be in the drivers seat for a possible at-large NCAA selection. Without Prendergast, Ithaca just doesn't have enough quality pitching. Even if he does return, I can't imagine him logging the innings he did when he was healthy during the World Series run. Though, I'm impressed that Parkes held Cortland to two runs in a long outing on Tuesday.

In terms of Fisher and Stevens, it's early, but both are in the top 35 in SOS - Fisher at 15 and Stevens at 32. Emory, a strong Pool B contender every year, is ranked lower in SOS than both but has a 19-6 record already. Washington U. was the other B team last year and the Bears are currently 13-8 with an SOS of 23.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on March 24, 2016, 12:15:31 PM
As for the Ducks, it's been a grind.  The games, for the most part, have been close.  Trouble stringing hits together at the right times and the bullpen is working through it's issues.  California was tough and not the result we wanted.  After two days of fun and a doubleheader vs Redlands they had nothing left for Chapman.  Conference opener vs Canton tomorrow.

JM, do you think there's any factor in the committee's decision making for the E8 champ getting in since the conference was left out last yr?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on March 24, 2016, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: DucksBB on March 24, 2016, 12:15:31 PM
As for the Ducks, it's been a grind.  The games, for the most part, have been close.  Trouble stringing hits together at the right times and the bullpen is working through it's issues.  California was tough and not the result we wanted.  After two days of fun and a doubleheader vs Redlands they had nothing left for Chapman.  Conference opener vs Canton tomorrow.

JM, do you think there's any factor in the committee's decision making for the E8 champ getting in since the conference was left out last yr?

Can't speak for the committee but I'd imagine it will have zero bearing on this year's selections.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on March 25, 2016, 10:56:33 AM
Has anyone heard rumors about other possible E8 affiliate baseball members? With Ithaca leaving as Canton joins, the E8 will be back to 6 teams and 1 short of the AQ requirement. What options do they have?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 01, 2016, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on March 25, 2016, 10:56:33 AM
Has anyone heard rumors about other possible E8 affiliate baseball members? With Ithaca leaving as Canton joins, the E8 will be back to 6 teams and 1 short of the AQ requirement. What options do they have?

If I was the E8, I might want to look at Alfred State for a 7th member or have a school add baseball.  It was not long ago that Houghton, Elmira and Canton did not have D-III baseball programs.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 01, 2016, 11:30:34 PM
Or just disband the league..but, if someone like Alfred comes aboard Fisher and Stevens will be licking their chops each season.  There may not be a more unbalance league than this one from its top to bottom.  Fisher beat a good RIT team today and Fisher can flat out pitch.  I have seen Cortland, Oswego, Fisher.  Have not seen Stevens or Union.  Fisher takes a back seat to none of them. 

Fisher, Stevens
Canton, Utica, Houghton, Elmira and say Alfred.  Yikes.  VERY unbalanced with no reason to think it would ever change.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: e8bbfan on April 05, 2016, 09:27:03 AM
Hello,
I'm a newbie to this forum but find it interesting.  I agree, the E8 is top heavy.  Fisher and Stevens are certainly at the top.  Ithaca is really a jeckyl and hyde team this year.  They played Stevens tough in NJ and won the series, and they played Cortland to a one run game.  I'm not sure their pitching will get them there in the end though.

Adding another weak school to the E8 to replace Ithaca?  Yes, it would mean more "potential" victories for Stevens and Fisher but I still can't figure out how the ranking system works and specifically, how the at large bids work.  Does strength of schedule weigh more than number of wins?  So, if Stevens and Fisher pad their record with conference, non-quality wins and hit the 30+ win mark, does that look better than say a 25-28 win year against a more difficult non-league schedule?  This year, both appear to have strong non-league schedules.  If they sweep the games against the bottom half of the division, that would seem to have a negative impact on their overall strength of schedule even though they're winning games since the SOS rankings take into account the opponents winning percentage, which in the case of the bottom half of the E8, is under .500.

Of course, the flip side of that is to play in a conference like the Ohio Athletic conference (OAC) which has teams like Marietta, Ohio Northern, Baldwin-Wallace, Otterbein...all strong teams that are beating each other up during the regular season.

So, does the strength of the conference come into play at decision time for an at large bid and would Fisher and Stevens benefit in moving to a conference that has a stronger baseball reputation?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 06, 2016, 01:25:42 PM
It's not necessarily the strength of conference as much as it is strength of schedule and in region records that get taken into main consideration.  But, the NY region has been widely thought of as being the weakest over the years.  I don't think you can say that anymore.  The national champ. resides in this region and Oswego, St. John Fisher, Stevens, RIT to a certain extent, Rochester and Union...these schools challenge themselves out of their conferences and win.  All of these programs have wins over ranked teams.  In the case of Cortland, Oswego, Fisher and Union, they are ranked or have received votes.  The NY region is getting much stronger and it will be interesting to see when it comes time for the regionals maybe there won't be as many teams shipping in from elsewhere.  That always is a variable that is impossible to project simply because you have no idea who gets at-larges.  For the Empire 8, they need to get 7 teams to keep an AQ. That's the safest bet to get in the dance.  And if your Stevens or Fisher...who cares who they add.  It's going to come down to those two.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 06, 2016, 02:58:06 PM
I agree the pool B is an uphill climb for Fisher this year, but at least they are doing some damage in the region early on. 6-1 against in region opponents and a quality win against a good Oswego team. The only loss is a 1 run loss to that same Oswego team. Add in the wins against some quality teams in Florida (split with ONU and Marietta, and swept a UMU team that was decent last year) and all in all it is a good start for Fisher. The problem is there is zero room for error in this conference. If you drop a game or two that you should win that pool B goes away quickly. I still don't know how I feel about this Fisher team, but so far so good I guess. Hopefully some of this snow goes away and we can get into the full swing of the season and start to find out what teams really have.

I still think Ithaca will be fine. I never put too much stock into what happens out in California. Those teams are all pretty good, and have been outside for months by the time IC gets to them. I think Fisher, Stevens, or Ithaca should all have a good chance to win the league.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 07, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
They have another DH coming up with Oswego at home and according to the website all the tough conference games for Fisher are at home.  Sjfcards...the schedule is definitely in your favor this year and your right, the team is playing well against a real difficult schedule.  I do think it's their league this spring, but, Stevens will have a lot to say about that.  I haven't seen Ithaca, just doesn't look like a typical Ithaca club (statistically) but they have played competitive since coming back north.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 11, 2016, 10:47:45 AM
Stevens, Fisher, and Ithaca continue to string wins together as it looks to be a 3-way race for the top spot in the E8.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 12, 2016, 02:16:22 PM
How many teams make the conference tournament, 4 or 6? If 4, it seems likely that St. John Fisher, Stevens, and Ithaca are in, which leaves one open spot. Who is the next likely team?

Canton looks like they swing it fairly well. Houghton has several returners from last year. Utica has played some tight games against good competition. Elmira doesn't look like there's enough there.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on April 12, 2016, 02:26:52 PM
Here's a link for the E8 tournament.  Four teams qualify and play a double elimination format.

http://empire8.com/sports/2016/2/22/BB_0222161851.aspx?path=baseball

I agree, seems like SJF, Stevens, and Ithaca are locks.  In fact, I heard Stevens qualified after their wins last weekend.  Should be a good race for #4. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 13, 2016, 12:32:47 PM
Ithaca has won six in a row, and might actually wind up with a decent record (which, given the state of the conference isn't all that great, but hey, it's an improvement on last season)

Yesterday's win marked a nice moment though, as Prendergast picked up his first win in nearly two years, going five innings and giving up two runs. He's not the same guy who was arguably the best pitcher on a national title contender, but I'm glad he's been able to make it sort of back
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 13, 2016, 01:56:19 PM
That's a big deal for Ithaca that Prendergast is back.  Bombers in that "trending up" mode right now.  Makes it a good three team league race and Ithaca has that first series 2 out of 3 against Stevens going for them.  This league this season still goes through Fisher who gets both Stevens and Ithaca at home.  Good point on Canton...looks like they could steal a game when they shouldn't.  Played Ithaca tough in first game and Stevens close as well.  Maybe they are the 4 seed. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 13, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Another impressive win by Fisher today, 18-0 over Brockport. Bats looked sharp today at home. Now 17-6 on the year.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: e8bbfan on April 14, 2016, 09:05:44 AM
And the shutout means they will stay in the top 5 nationally in team ERA.  Quite a statement considering some of the hitters on a team that has already beaten Cortland and Stevens this year.  Big weekend for Brockport against Oswego.  It's going to be fun coming down the stretch to see how many of these teams make the NCAA's.  I think Cortland and Oswego are a lock.  Stevens and Fisher should certainly be in consideration if they continue playing the way they have been and of course Ithaca is definitely a team to watch as they are really starting to put things together.  Not surprising though with the legendary coach and baseball legacy at that school.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2016, 12:16:27 PM
e8bbfan,

Here is the link to the FAQ for the playoffs.

http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament..

Please look for the Regional Rankings when they come out in early May.

That will give us an idea of how many at large bids (both Pool B and Pool C) that the New York Region earns.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: e8bbfan on April 15, 2016, 01:22:31 PM
Excellent!  Thank you.  It's clear that the process takes a LOT into consideration.  Overall record is at the top of the list, so if the top three E8 teams keep winning, that's going to make a big statement.  Of course they all still have to play each other in the second half of the season.  Should make for some good baseball coming down the stretch.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on April 18, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
Conference is heating up....Utica puts themselves in a good position for the #4 seed with their series win over Ithaca but anything can happen.  Top 3 of SJF, Stevens, and IC are solid and will sort themselves out over next 2 weeks.  Stevens squeeks by Elmira in extras yesterday, SJF and IC making big statements with their convincing wins on Sunday.  SJF gets to host Stevens this weekend and will finish by hosting IC the following.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 18, 2016, 12:45:31 PM
Very surprising to see Utica get Ithaca once, not alone twice.  But, that's the game sometimes.  Up until that series, looking at the scores, I thought Canton may have had the inside track on the four seed. Fisher looks like the class of the field and a contender to be regional club with the pitching to make a serious run.  I may be wrong but by looking at scores I don't see that from Stevens and Ithaca...but that's why they play the games.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 21, 2016, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on April 18, 2016, 12:45:31 PM
Very surprising to see Utica get Ithaca once, not alone twice.  But, that's the game sometimes.  Up until that series, looking at the scores, I thought Canton may have had the inside track on the four seed. Fisher looks like the class of the field and a contender to be regional club with the pitching to make a serious run.  I may be wrong but by looking at scores I don't see that from Stevens and Ithaca...but that's why they play the games.

A lot of Fisher's chances to win the league will be decided this weekend when Stevens comes to Pittsford. Utica beat IC twice means that Fisher could really take control with 2 or 3 wins this weekend. It wouldn't be over by any stretch, but it would be hard for IC to catch them without a sweep if that happens. With Fisher's pitching it will be tough for any team to sweep them. The bad news for the other teams in the league is that Fisher's bats seem to be coming around. 58 runs in the last 3 games. With their pitching a little goes a long way, and if they hit I think they can make the regional. A lot to be decided over the next few weekends however, and without the automatic bid a promising season can slip away quickly.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 21, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
Agree....the winner of the series obviously has the driver seat for the regular season title which at the end of the day means very little.  I have seen Cortland, Fisher, Oswego, Ithaca, Union and a couple of others.  Honestly, Fisher has the most talent and the deepest staff.  They are every bit as good as Cortland and probably should have swept Oswego.  With that said, all three of those teams are capable of a long run in the post season...here is to all of them having that chance.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 22, 2016, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on April 21, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
Agree....the winner of the series obviously has the driver seat for the regular season title which at the end of the day means very little.  I have seen Cortland, Fisher, Oswego, Ithaca, Union and a couple of others.  Honestly, Fisher has the most talent and the deepest staff.  They are every bit as good as Cortland and probably should have swept Oswego.  With that said, all three of those teams are capable of a long run in the post season...here is to all of them having that chance.

Hopefully the selection committee will acknowledge the level of talent if Fisher continues to play well. It seems crazy to me (admittedly I am a homer) that Cortland and Oswego are ranked 1 and 4 in the country, while Fisher with a similar record/schedule (for the most part) and in the same region is only receiving votes. Fisher split with Oswego and could have won both, and doesn't have a really bad loss on the resume (yet). Hopefully the committee doesn't hold the E8 conference against whoever ends up winning the thing. If Fisher keeps winning I think it is a non-issue, but if they finish somewhere around 30 wins I hope they are not dismissed out of hand.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 23, 2016, 06:26:59 PM
Fisher and Stevens split their double dip today. Fisher won the first game 4-1 on the back of a no hitter by their starter, and Stevens throws a gem in game two and wins 3-1. Sets up a huge game tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 24, 2016, 09:09:30 AM
Hey cards....question/observation.  It looks like Fisher is playing Stevens twice again today according to the Fisher site. All the other series have been three games and not four. It appears that the fourth game is not a conference game.  IF this is accurate I say good for these staffs playing tough games against their own league opponents.  You don't see that too much anymore.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 24, 2016, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on April 24, 2016, 09:09:30 AM
Hey cards....question/observation.  It looks like Fisher is playing Stevens twice again today according to the Fisher site. All the other series have been three games and not four. It appears that the fourth game is not a conference game.  IF this is accurate I say good for these staffs playing tough games against their own league opponents.  You don't see that too much anymore.

Yes, Fisher won the first game, which was the league game, and lost the second. It does make some sense as Stevens was in town (obviously) and the weather would allow both to get in a game against a quality in region opponent. Stevens was a good team and this weekends split could have been 3 wins for either team. Lucky for Fisher they won game one today to take 2 of the 3 league games. They have really put themselves in good position to win the regular season going forward. Still work to do, but a major hurdle cleared in league. I was able to catch two games this weekend (both Fisher wins) and I was impressed with both teams.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 24, 2016, 10:22:43 PM
Looked like two really good pitching staffs going at it.  Fisher getting two of three goes a long way for the league.  Question, where is the tournament being held?  Does the highest seed get to host?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on April 25, 2016, 09:11:28 AM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on April 24, 2016, 10:22:43 PM
Looked like two really good pitching staffs going at it.  Fisher getting two of three goes a long way for the league.  Question, where is the tournament being held?  Does the highest seed get to host?

New York Regional in Auburn hosted by Cortland as in many times in the past. Regional sites already set, as in even had Cortland not qualified the site is still Auburn hosted by Cortland. Committee able to ship in and ship out teams ......

Fisher certainly making a case for a berth. Stevens a bit shaky IMO. Has an interesting regular season-ending game at Cortland
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 25, 2016, 11:07:55 AM
My bad JDEX, I was interested in the Empire 8 tournament.  Not sure how they do their postseason tourny
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 25, 2016, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on April 25, 2016, 11:07:55 AM
My bad JDEX, I was interested in the Empire 8 tournament.  Not sure how they do their postseason tourny

Top seed hosts per the Empire 8 page.

http://empire8.com/sports/2016/2/22/BB_0222161851.aspx?path=baseball
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: DucksBB on April 25, 2016, 04:07:20 PM
I understand the E8 tourn host is supposed to be the #1 seed but it sounds like the top teams have requested to not host.  It will be interesting to see where it ends up.

This weekend's series between Stevens and SJF was very competitive.  Starting pitching was excellent on both sides and came down to timely hits.  Obviously, SJF is in the driver seat with another tough weekend ahead with Ithaca.  Stevens travels to Houghton and their post season may come down to their Cortland game and a finale against #17 Keystone.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 26, 2016, 09:40:14 AM
Quote from: DucksBB on April 25, 2016, 04:07:20 PM
I understand the E8 tourn host is supposed to be the #1 seed but it sounds like the top teams have requested to not host.  It will be interesting to see where it ends up.

This weekend's series between Stevens and SJF was very competitive.  Starting pitching was excellent on both sides and came down to timely hits.  Obviously, SJF is in the driver seat with another tough weekend ahead with Ithaca.  Stevens travels to Houghton and their post season may come down to their Cortland game and a finale against #17 Keystone.

Per D3baseball.com's SOS rankings, Stevens sits at 28 with a 21-13 record and St. John Fisher is 125 with a 23-8 record. There's not a lot of room for error at this point for either team. Potential Pool B teams nationally Emory (30-10), Case Western Reserve (25-13) and Wash. U. (25-13) are all in the top 10 nationally in strength of schedule. Emory's regular season is finished, CWRU has one game left and Wash. U has eight games left. Ithaca also lurking at 19-12 and could jump into the partial conversation with a positive result against Fisher this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 26, 2016, 12:13:44 PM
Is the first Regional Ranking coming out next week?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 26, 2016, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on April 26, 2016, 12:13:44 PM
Is the first Regional Ranking coming out next week?

The schedule for regional rankings starts on Thursday .  Two more days to see what the cvommittee thinks about the rankings.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 26, 2016, 09:39:16 PM
Cortland obviously gets the 1.  Fisher, regardless of the schedule strength, and Oswego at 2/3...put either one in those slots.  Fisher challenged themselves in Florida, Haverford, etc...those teams have been off a bit and that's where the schedule strength gets hurt a bit, even Marietta is only 22-13.  The teams they played would fare well in most leagues, they all play in very difficult leagues and beat on each other.  After that...no idea.  It's a mess.  Clarkson is now leading the Liberty League.  I was ready to put Union there but not so sure now.  I know little about the teams downstate.  Ithaca?? at four or five maybe.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 27, 2016, 07:02:17 PM
Fisher got two more wins today against Houghton. Now sits at 25-8 on the year, and 13-1 in the league. Their magic number is 2, with 3 against IC and one against Utica left on the league schedule. I feel like Fisher is in really good shape to get into the regional, but I am far from an expert on how the committee  picks teams. Several times in the past I felt Fisher was a lock, and they got left out. At this point I think they need teams they have beaten to keep winning.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 27, 2016, 08:02:35 PM
In general, Fisher needs to up its schedule. Two games against top 25 teams is not going to cut it, given how bleh the E8 is. They may be deserving this year, but in general, their schedule is not on the level of a Cortland.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on April 28, 2016, 09:13:56 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 27, 2016, 07:02:17 PM
Fisher got two more wins today against Houghton. Now sits at 25-8 on the year, and 13-1 in the league. Their magic number is 2, with 3 against IC and one against Utica left on the league schedule. I feel like Fisher is in really good shape to get into the regional, but I am far from an expert on how the committee  picks teams. Several times in the past I felt Fisher was a lock, and they got left out. At this point I think they need teams they have beaten to keep winning.

Remember, Fisher isn't competing against teams from inside the region to get into the NCAA tournament. Fisher is in the mix for a Pool B (2 bids) or potentially a Pool C (14 bids). At least in New York, figure on Oswego (or Cortland should the Red Dragons not win the SUNYAC tournament) taking one of those 14 Pool C at-large bids.
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Post by: DucksBB on April 28, 2016, 01:39:17 PM
Big weekend for the top 3 in E8....so is the thinking still that only one gets in and it's basically the team that wins the E8?  I feel that's true for either SJF or Stevens, not so sure about IC.
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Post by: Bombers798891 on April 28, 2016, 02:08:17 PM
Ithaca's hopes ended, IMO, when they had the three game stretch where they lost to Cortland and twice to Utica. They're 20-12, have no marquee wins, and a pair of losses to a 8-19-1 team. If they were 23-9 with a nice win over Cortland, maybe you could see them sneak in if they ran the table from here on out...but even then...eh

They're simply not good enough
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Post by: sjfcards on April 28, 2016, 11:53:45 PM
The regional rankings are out and all if the big three from the E8 are included. Fisher at 3, Stevens at 4, and IC at 5. Cortland, Oswego, and Brockport are the other ranked teams.
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Post by: sjfcards on April 30, 2016, 06:15:47 PM
Fisher gets 6 in the bottom of the 6th to take game one 7-5, and jumps on the Ithaca starter early in game two to sweep IC today. Fisher cements the E8 regular season title, and top seed in the tournament with the two wins today. Now 27-8 overall and 15-1 in the league. Perhaps most important they get 2 more wins against a regionally ranked team.

Game 3 tomorrow.
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on April 30, 2016, 11:23:20 PM
Nice comeback in first game.  Pendregast was haunting them for a while.  I like this Fisher team.  They catch the ball better and the pitching is obviously very good.  I don't think it's a matter of if they get in the regional, a regional.  I think it's more of a question of how far they can go.  Ithaca gave it all they had.  They just don't have Fisher's talent.
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Post by: sjfcards on May 03, 2016, 09:06:42 PM
Another win for Fisher today, beating Brockport 4-2. Fisher can definitely pitch and catch this year. I'm not sure Brockport is really that great a team, but still another win against a regionally ranked team. RIT tomorrow before Utica and IC to close out the regular season for the league.
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 03, 2016, 11:13:13 PM
Cards...they are in.  I am calling the shot.  Your right about them being "snubbed" in year's past.  I love Oswego, but, at the end of the day, if Oswego is a lock, which I am sure they are, then Fisher has to be.  In the head to head they split, Oswego was very lucky to get one.  Fisher's region record has to be better than Oswego's.  They have four losses (maybe three, not sure about Haverford) in region.  Oswego has six that I can think of.  In matter of fact maybe the Cards have a better in region record than Cortland...Cortland has four losses in region.  But, as John McGraw pointed out, Fisher's path is murky with no AQ in the league.  However, they will get to 30 wins and I am calling a two seed, three at worst in this regional.  Remember though, they have made the tournament in year's past and got shipped. 
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Post by: sjfcards on May 04, 2016, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on May 03, 2016, 11:13:13 PM
Cards...they are in.  I am calling the shot.  Your right about them being "snubbed" in year's past.  I love Oswego, but, at the end of the day, if Oswego is a lock, which I am sure they are, then Fisher has to be.  In the head to head they split, Oswego was very lucky to get one.  Fisher's region record has to be better than Oswego's.  They have four losses (maybe three, not sure about Haverford) in region.  Oswego has six that I can think of.  In matter of fact maybe the Cards have a better in region record than Cortland...Cortland has four losses in region.  But, as John McGraw pointed out, Fisher's path is murky with no AQ in the league.  However, they will get to 30 wins and I am calling a two seed, three at worst in this regional.  Remember though, they have made the tournament in year's past and got shipped.

Getting shipped out is more my concern. I don't live too far from Auburn and would love to catch them in the regional. The last time they were in was a great week of baseball. My dad is a Cortland grad, and he likes to go to the games as well, so it is best for everyone if Fisher stays in Auburn.

Think the committee will take that into consideration?
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Post by: John McGraw on May 04, 2016, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on May 03, 2016, 11:13:13 PM
Cards...they are in.  I am calling the shot.  Your right about them being "snubbed" in year's past.  I love Oswego, but, at the end of the day, if Oswego is a lock, which I am sure they are, then Fisher has to be.  In the head to head they split, Oswego was very lucky to get one.  Fisher's region record has to be better than Oswego's.  They have four losses (maybe three, not sure about Haverford) in region.  Oswego has six that I can think of.  In matter of fact maybe the Cards have a better in region record than Cortland...Cortland has four losses in region.  But, as John McGraw pointed out, Fisher's path is murky with no AQ in the league.  However, they will get to 30 wins and I am calling a two seed, three at worst in this regional.  Remember though, they have made the tournament in year's past and got shipped.

Fisher has to continue winning or at least limit losses and hope for not too many upsets nationally. The relative weakness of the region may help as there doesn't really seem to be anyone, other than maybe Stevens, that will surpass the Cardinals to take the number three regional ranking away. Stevens got a big boost from a win yesterday over Mid-Atlantic #4 Keystone (in-region win) though was hurt by not getting to play Cortland on Sunday due to the weather. In terms of Fisher & Oswego, Fisher's SOS has jumped to 76 ahead of Oswego but Oswego will benefit in the SUNYAC tournament if it goes up against Cortland.

Nationally speaking, Emory, St. John Fisher and Case Western Reserve right now appear to be in the running for the two Pool B bid spots. Both Emory and Case have concluded their regular seasons and neither will play in a conference tournament. CWRU is ranked first nationally in SOS, Emory second. Though the more telling number is Emory was rated first in the South last Thursday and Case was fourth in the Mideast. If Fisher stays at three and Case doesn't move up, that should help.
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Post by: sjfcards on May 05, 2016, 12:57:54 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 04, 2016, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on May 03, 2016, 11:13:13 PM
Cards...they are in.  I am calling the shot.  Your right about them being "snubbed" in year's past.  I love Oswego, but, at the end of the day, if Oswego is a lock, which I am sure they are, then Fisher has to be.  In the head to head they split, Oswego was very lucky to get one.  Fisher's region record has to be better than Oswego's.  They have four losses (maybe three, not sure about Haverford) in region.  Oswego has six that I can think of.  In matter of fact maybe the Cards have a better in region record than Cortland...Cortland has four losses in region.  But, as John McGraw pointed out, Fisher's path is murky with no AQ in the league.  However, they will get to 30 wins and I am calling a two seed, three at worst in this regional.  Remember though, they have made the tournament in year's past and got shipped.

Fisher has to continue winning or at least limit losses and hope for not too many upsets nationally. The relative weakness of the region may help as there doesn't really seem to be anyone, other than maybe Stevens, that will surpass the Cardinals to take the number three regional ranking away. Stevens got a big boost from a win yesterday over Mid-Atlantic #4 Keystone (in-region win) though was hurt by not getting to play Cortland on Sunday due to the weather. In terms of Fisher & Oswego, Fisher's SOS has jumped to 76 ahead of Oswego but Oswego will benefit in the SUNYAC tournament if it goes up against Cortland.

Nationally speaking, Emory, St. John Fisher and Case Western Reserve right now appear to be in the running for the two Pool B bid spots. Both Emory and Case have concluded their regular seasons and neither will play in a conference tournament. CWRU is ranked first nationally in SOS, Emory second. Though the more telling number is Emory was rated first in the South last Thursday and Case was fourth in the Mideast. If Fisher stays at three and Case doesn't move up, that should help.

Does the pool B option go to the conference tournament winner, or is Fisher in line having won the regular season? Your point goes to show how important having an AQ is. This is probably the best Fisher team they have ever had, and may not get in because other teams are having good seasons as well. With only three Fisher may be hoping for a pool C rather than a pool B. If Fisher keeps winning and wins the conference tournament I have to believe they are in, but if they win 2 of the final 3 (lose to Ithaca maybe) and then lose in the conference tournament...not so sure.

I have seen Fisher teams with 30 wins get left out before, but if this Fisher team can't get in then why have the NY Region in the first place. Even if Oswego gets in (and I don't see much of a difference between Fisher and Oswego) Fisher is clearly a top 3/4 team in the region, and if they are left out who is left?
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Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 05, 2016, 12:57:54 PM
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Does the pool B option go to the conference tournament winner, or is Fisher in line having won the regular season? Your point goes to show how important having an AQ is. This is probably the best Fisher team they have ever had, and may not get in because other teams are having good seasons as well. With only three Fisher may be hoping for a pool C rather than a pool B. If Fisher keeps winning and wins the conference tournament I have to believe they are in, but if they win 2 of the final 3 (lose to Ithaca maybe) and then lose in the conference tournament...not so sure.

I have seen Fisher teams with 30 wins get left out before, but if this Fisher team can't get in then why have the NY Region in the first place. Even if Oswego gets in (and I don't see much of a difference between Fisher and Oswego) Fisher is clearly a top 3/4 team in the region, and if they are left out who is left?

The conference tournament and winning a league's regular season title have no bearing on the actual NCAA tournament selection process in terms of the teams eligible for Pool B. It looks nice on a resume but wins, losses, SOS, OWP, OOWP etc. are more important. Would it help to win the tournament? Very much so for the additional victories but winning the tournament does not guarantee getting into the NCAA regionals - that's only for Pool A teams. However, a loss or losses in the conference tournament most definitely can hurt a team's chances moving forward. As we all know, leagues without an AQ are not guaranteed a spot in the NCAA's. The Empire 8 has gone through this where no one has gotten in as has the CUNYAC. It stinks for the teams in those leagues but until the rules change, that's how it goes.

I think Fisher, should it keep winning, has a very good chance at getting in this year. Really all that the Cardinals can do now is continue to win and things will work themselves out.
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Post by: DucksBB on May 05, 2016, 02:47:05 PM
Oooooh, it always gets so fun at the end.  It's so difficult to get in when we leave it up to the committee.  So hard also to keep up a good SOS when there are teams in the conference that pull down the SOS.  Seems like all the categories are possible tiebreakers when comparing teams.  Whether it's wins, SOS, or whatever....gotta be a strong combination of everything to be considered.  I'm thinking the top 3 regional seeds get in and the 4th will have to keep their fingers crossed.  Just depends on how those Pool A bids shake out.  For us and SJF, our one shot is to win the E8 and grab the 3 regional seed.
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 06, 2016, 10:48:16 AM
Cards, I like this team a lot but I also recall a team with D'Amato, Johnson a big righty who transferred in, Bostick, Osterman, Kyrniski (spelling), Rush that stole a ton of bases and beat Marietta at their field in a regional (who won it all) that would love to play this current team!  That team was loaded.  The Cards put a tournament team on the field every season, it's just a matter of getting to 30 wins and getting some love, which, they honestly don't get a lot of.  They are a hard team to slot because of the lack of AQ. It would be nice if they could play Cortland. This team is very good and in my opinion deserve to be in.  Even if they get in, the possibility always exists that they could get shipped out which isn't really a big deal to them.  I looked at Oswego from last season (and I understand this is little bearing) but, they got an at large quite easily and this Fisher team frankly has more going for it.  Not one bad loss in the 8 losses.  Marietta, Oswego, Stevens, Haverford, Ohio Northern, those are great programs.  Like their chances but again, this is my opinion.
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Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 06, 2016, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on May 06, 2016, 10:48:16 AM
Cards, I like this team a lot but I also recall a team with D'Amato, Johnson a big righty who transferred in, Bostick, Osterman, Kyrniski (spelling), Rush that stole a ton of bases and beat Marietta at their field in a regional (who won it all) that would love to play this current team!  That team was loaded.  The Cards put a tournament team on the field every season, it's just a matter of getting to 30 wins and getting some love, which, they honestly don't get a lot of.  They are a hard team to slot because of the lack of AQ. It would be nice if they could play Cortland. This team is very good and in my opinion deserve to be in.  Even if they get in, the possibility always exists that they could get shipped out which isn't really a big deal to them.  I looked at Oswego from last season (and I understand this is little bearing) but, they got an at large quite easily and this Fisher team frankly has more going for it.  Not one bad loss in the 8 losses.  Marietta, Oswego, Stevens, Haverford, Ohio Northern, those are great programs.  Like their chances but again, this is my opinion.
Ohio Northern while a better program under the new coach, Does not exactly have the pedigree, to be called a a great program, And they are not playing well this year. They are barely above .500. But that loss should not keep the Cards out. 
Just remember Pool C and B are against the nation and not the region.
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 07, 2016, 12:39:38 AM
I stand corrected. All I know is 30-9 in the OAC which followed up a 28-12 is pretty darn good in that league.  No easy games over there.  They have had a nice couple of years... we can leave it at that ;D
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Post by: sjfcards on May 11, 2016, 09:46:59 PM
Excited to get the E8 tournament underway tomorrow. Not sure how Fisher will stack up their pitchers tomorrow with Utica up first. Obviously you want to win that first game but Fisher may feel like they can hold one of the top 3 back for Stevens and IC. This past game with IC was odd as their ace, Iseneker, was taken out after the third inning of a 1-1 game. Hopefully he isn't hurt or anything. What Fisher ran out there after they took him out got knocked around, so hopefully he is available this weekend.

I like Fisher with their pitching staff this weekend but I think any of the big three feel like they can take the tournament.
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Post by: John McGraw on May 12, 2016, 09:42:25 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 11, 2016, 09:46:59 PM
Excited to get the E8 tournament underway tomorrow. Not sure how Fisher will stack up their pitchers tomorrow with Utica up first. Obviously you want to win that first game but Fisher may feel like they can hold one of the top 3 back for Stevens and IC. This past game with IC was odd as their ace, Iseneker, was taken out after the third inning of a 1-1 game. Hopefully he isn't hurt or anything. What Fisher ran out there after they took him out got knocked around, so hopefully he is available this weekend.

I like Fisher with their pitching staff this weekend but I think any of the big three feel like they can take the tournament.

Don't see any problem at all in just throwing him for three innings and then going bullpen-by-committee. He hadn't pitched in a week and the coaches likely wanted to get him some limited action before the league tournament. You don't want your ace sitting for two weeks and then having to fight off potential rust in a big start. With just three innings, he could be able to go today if need be whereas had he pitched 7-8 innings, coming back with just three or even four days' rest may have been a tall order.
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Post by: jdex on May 14, 2016, 05:34:50 PM
St. John Fisher forces Sunday deciding tourney championship game in Pittsford. Cards handle Ithaca 5-2. Host eliminated Utica 5-4 earlier in the day to get revenge from first round fall to the Pioneers. Fought their way back through the victim's round. Ousted Stevens on Friday. IC wins 9-1 over Stevens, 5-4 over Utica heading into Saturday's play. SJF jr T. Engels flips three hitter, allows two IC unearned runs. Fisher up 4-0 after four innings
      SJF 34-10, IC 26-15
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 14, 2016, 10:41:55 PM
Regardless of the outcome tomorrow I can't see how Fisher does not get in the tournament.  Really only one bad loss on the schedule (Utica) in the tournament.  And, now they get a win versus Stevens and Ithaca.  I think you could argue for them to be the 2 seed in NY rather than not getting an at large.  And, regardless of having to play more games will still have pitching left for another game.  Should be a good game...Ithaca looking to win back to back conference tournaments as underdogs.
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Post by: jdex on May 15, 2016, 02:10:16 PM
Ithaca posts 9-7 10-inning win over host St. John Fisher to capture conference tourney title. Bombers score tying seventh run in the top of the ninth on A. Gallagher sac fly and leave the bases full. In decisive 10th J. Savacool draws leadoff walk and steals second. Scores on pinch-hitter R. Dougherty single to left. S. Little sac fly eventually plates Dougherty. Cardinals leave two runners aboard in their 10th against fourth IC pitcher J. Prendergast (3.2inn, 2h, 2bb, 2k).
   Little winds up 4x4, r, 2bi, sf; M. Carey 3x5, r, 2bi; R. Henchey 2bi. Ithaca with 17 hits, no errors; SJF 11 hits, three miscues. Fisher finally takes the lead 7-6 in the seventh on S. Eisenmenger sac fly. Cards use five pitchers. L. Brigham on in relief in the ninth (2inn, 2r, 1er, 2h, 2bb, 3k)
      Ithaca 27-15, Fisher 34-11

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Post by: sjfcards on May 15, 2016, 05:55:48 PM
A good conference tournament for the E8, and a great game to end it. For Fisher losing that first game to Utica came back to bite them. Playing that extra game was the difference between having one of their big two starting pitchers available and not. Thems  the breaks however.

With 34 wins I have to think Fisher is going to get into the tournament, and hopefully in Auburn. As a Fisher fan I have learned not to assume anything but they not only have the 3rd highest win total in all of D3, but also got two more quality wins over Stevens and IC this weekend. Only one bad loss all year as well. Not sure if IC or Stevens can sneak in or not, but those are quality teams as well.
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 15, 2016, 11:18:35 PM
Buy your tickets.  I can't see how they don't get in.  The schedule strength got better as well as Marietta, Haverford, season series wins against Ithaca (who played well at the end), Stevens, Brockport and a split against a likely tournament team in Oswego shouldn't hurt the cause.  After looking at the resume's of both Fisher and Oswego, there really isn't a lot of difference.  And I think Oswego is a sure thing. Both have marquee wins, few bad losses and challenged themselves.  Fisher should be dancing, question is...where?  They have been moved before to accommodate out of region teams here in NY. If they get to stay, I like their chances as well as anyone's.  If Cortland, Oswego and Fisher are in this regional, this is a very good region.  And, Union has as good of an ace as anyone...not so sure about their pitching depth after that but they are solid. 
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Post by: Bombers798891 on May 16, 2016, 10:55:33 AM
A round of applause to John Prendergast. To go from nearly pitching the Bombers to a title, to that injury, to a 6-0 senior season, closing out the E8 Championship by beating an NCAA Tournament team in Fisher, on the road. Great to see that story end well.

Ithaca had their shot, but a three-game stretch where they lost by one run to Cortland and twice to a bad Utica team cost them. They didn't have the horses this year, and would likely not have done too much in the NCAAs.

Next year's squad will be interesting. They return their top 6 hitters, but just one starting pitcher (although he was their best).

Congrats to Fisher for qualifying for the NCAAs. Hoping they can make some noise, and I'll be following them. Seems like they ran into the type of problem IC's had over the years. They've got the top of the rotation set, but they're not as equipped to handle the loser's bracket, where your pitching staff depth can get really tested when you've got to run the table while playing extra games. But, they'll get a chance to hit the reset button there, and hopefully, they can put together a good showing for the conference and region
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 16, 2016, 12:45:40 PM
Well said Bombers...I was surprised to see them get shipped.  But, that might not be a bad thing.  We just wanted to see Fisher, Oswego and the other NY teams play closer to home.
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Post by: sjfcards on May 16, 2016, 11:50:32 PM
In some ways I am happy Fisher got moved out of Auburn. They avoid Cortland, and top to bottom I think they have as good a chance as anyone in the regional. Misercordia looks like the real deal, and I know what Haverford has, so I don't think anything will be easy however. It is just nice when I can go see the regional in Auburn. Tailgate all day and watch some baseball. Scranton is a manageable trip if I decide to venture out that way should Fisher do well.
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Post by: sjfcards on May 20, 2016, 09:07:35 PM
Fisher got a win in another tight game at the Mid-Atlantic regional tonight, 6-5 over UMass Boston. Fisher is now 3-0 and waiting for the remaining 3 teams to play it out to see who they play tomorrow. One win away from the D3 World Series. Fisher won game one, a one run win, over Salve Regina, game two 9-0 over Kean (game was 0-0 in the 7th and Fisher hadn't had a player on second base before a 9 run outburst), and tonight. Tonight's win was a come from behind victory, scoring 4 in the 8th after UMass Boston had scored 4 in the top half of the inning.

Fisher has one more of their quality starters in waiting for the game tomorrow night as well. Hoping for the best.
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 21, 2016, 09:58:10 PM
Congrats to the Cards!  This program deserves this.  They have been awfully consistent over the past 7 years.  Definitely just a step behind Cortland but a top 2 team in this region for some time.  After being close in some at large bids, they do the committee right by earning the two seed and having a chance to play for it all.  With Cortland advancing, it gives the NY region two teams in the college world series...so much for baseball being a southern sport...the defending national champs are back, joined by another region team. If it wasn't for Tufts, Oswego may have joined them as well...good luck to all.
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Post by: sjfcards on May 21, 2016, 11:38:05 PM
First time ever two NY region teams have made the world series. One happy fan tonight. A lot of stuff went Fisher's way this week, but I think they were the best team when it was all said and done. Nice to see another E8 team on the world series to add t OK the Ithaca legacy
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Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2016, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 16, 2016, 11:50:32 PM
In some ways I am happy Fisher got moved out of Auburn. They avoid Cortland, and top to bottom I think they have as good a chance as anyone in the regional. Misercordia looks like the real deal, and I know what Haverford has, so I don't think anything will be easy however. It is just nice when I can go see the regional in Auburn. Tailgate all day and watch some baseball. Scranton is a manageable trip if I decide to venture out that way should Fisher do well.
i love it when teams can be conveniently moved out of region!
SJF and Cortland get to go.
Shenandoah and Randolph-Macon were both trying to get to Wisconsin from the ODAC.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2016, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: NYbaseballguy on May 21, 2016, 09:58:10 PM
Congrats to the Cards!  This program deserves this.  They have been awfully consistent over the past 7 years.  Definitely just a step behind Cortland but a top 2 team in this region for some time.  After being close in some at large bids, they do the committee right by earning the two seed and having a chance to play for it all.  With Cortland advancing, it gives the NY region two teams in the college world series...so much for baseball being a southern sport...the defending national champs are back, joined by another region team. If it wasn't for Tufts, Oswego may have joined them as well...good luck to all.
Congrats on 2 teams NY'guy!

My impression is that the state schools in the north have such strong baseball teams because the talent looks at a "1/8th" or a "1/16th" baseballl scholarship down south versus a great chance to play at the quality programs in the SUNYAC, NJAC and the WIAC and decides to stay home.

The talent in the NESCAC, NEWMAC, UAA, MIAC and E8 decide to take a "partial academic scholarship/grant-in-aid" and get their education.

They may never play pro ball, but they are "smart enough" to afford box seats/season tickets at their local major league stadium
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 22, 2016, 08:31:48 PM
Ralph, NY has been quite balanced minus Cortland.  Oswego recently has made a big jump.  Brockport for years was the number 2 team in that league.  Oneonta had a decent run.  Ithaca obviously for years as well as RPI were right behind Cortland.  St. John Fisher has emerged with their Coach Potter over the past seven years from a decent team to a regional force.  Rochester, Clarkson, Union have all had nice clubs.  It's actually quite balanced.  Cortland just has that Physical Education component with a great staff that is hard to top.  Baseball is most definitely on the uptick in the state.
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Post by: e8bbfan on May 23, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
I agree, NY baseball is definitely on the rise and two teams in the CWS helps make that point.  Looks like Oswego just missed a chance to make it three teams.  I'm glad they were all in different regions.  That gave the NY teams 3 chances to get a team to the CWS and not just one had they all stayed in the NY region.  The Northeast region as a whole is well represented with two teams from PA making it as well.  Cortland and Fisher are in different pools so it's possible they could meet for the championship!  That would certainly put NY baseball on the map.  There are a lot of good teams though, it should be a great tournament.
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Post by: sjfcards on May 27, 2016, 02:17:08 PM
Very excited to see Fisher get going in the D3 World Series tonight. Hopefully they are not overwhelmed by their first trip to the big show, and can pitch/hit like they have all year. I don't know anything about Keystone other than what I was able to read on the D3baseball front page. Hoping for good things this weekend for Fisher, but all in all a great season regardless of the outcomes this weekend!
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Post by: magicman on May 28, 2016, 01:18:22 PM
Fisher was trailing Keystone 3-0 after 5 innings but Keystone erupts for 9 runs in the top of the 6th to put this one away. Cardinals now trailing by a 15-0 score in the 7th. They are scheduled to play again Saturday evening at 7:45 Eastern time in a Pool B elimination game if the weather holds up. They will face either Wisconsin-Whitewater or La Roche. Hope the Cardinals can forget about this one and come back with a win.   
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Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 28, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Strange game and well reported Magicman. I suspect Fisher will respond well tonight.  It was a game where after I could see the video, it looked like they were going to score.  Keystone had some real nice plays in the OF that kept the Cards off the board and the nine run inning obviously sealed the deal.  Lewis just never got ahead of guys enough.  Keystone can hit.  We will see how it goes tonight.  Fisher will come back with Iseneker who is very good.
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Post by: jdex on May 29, 2016, 09:11:01 AM

Fisher plays on, wins in the ninth 4-3 over Wisc-Whitewater. Twas 3-3 after two frames ..........Following is taken from Austin Walthers' review of the game on D3 site:

"Fisher leadoff man Cody Wiktorski opened up the bottom half of the ninth with a double off the wall which drove Bachar out of the game.

The left fielder Austin Jones came into the game and put the next two batters on with intentional walks to load the bases. Roethel came up and hit a liner off of Jones which was picked up by the first baseman to throw out the runner at home for the first out.

Kelsey then hit a chopper to short which was thrown home late and scored Ryan Prevost after he pinch hit Trotman to win the game for the Cardinals.' 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 29, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
Cards survive!  Now let's get the Dragons another win today.  It is nice to see Fisher get a W.  The Keystone game was just a very strange/bad game.  Last night was a bit more indicative of how this team has been playing.  Good luck to Cortland today.  NY teams all get at least one win...another good sign for the region.
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Post by: e8bbfan on June 03, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Final D3 polls came out today: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2016/2016Top25-week-final

Cortland #2, Fisher #7 and Oswego #12 so nice showing for NY baseball this year.  Odd that Cortland landed at #2 when Keystone finished runner up.  Also, Emory ahead of Fisher?  Emory went 0-2 in CWS.  I'm assuming rankings coming into CWS were taken into account.  None the less, strong year for NY baseball.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 03, 2016, 05:43:33 PM
Quote from: e8bbfan on June 03, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Final D3 polls came out today: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2016/2016Top25-week-final

Cortland #2, Fisher #7 and Oswego #12 so nice showing for NY baseball this year.  Odd that Cortland landed at #2 when Keystone finished runner up.  Also, Emory ahead of Fisher?  Emory went 0-2 in CWS.  I'm assuming rankings coming into CWS were taken into account.  None the less, strong year for NY baseball.
Most fans thought that the Pool A bracket had the best teams. Emory lost on a solo homerun to Cortland in the opening game. In fact Emory's losing pitcher in the Cortland game made the All-Tourney team!
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on January 31, 2017, 12:53:15 PM
With Empire 8 adding the AQ this year, is there a preseason poll out yet? How much is St. John Fisher ahead of the rest of the teams after last year's CWS run?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: e8bbfan on February 06, 2017, 12:49:41 PM
Hard to believe the season is right around the corner but I'm glad!  Depending on which poll you look at, Fisher is ranked in the top 15, top 10 in two polls.  Cortland is top 5 in all polls, #1 in two I believe.  Oswego is as high as #5 but top 15 in most, so another strong showing out of the gate for NY teams.

Fisher's first half of their schedule is going to be challenging as they play a handful of ranked teams before starting E8 play against Ithaca, who I think will be in the top 25 before the year ends.
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Post by: D3SportsFan on February 06, 2017, 01:43:02 PM
Fisher, Ithaca, and Stevens will likely battle at the top of the E8. Each graduated some key players, with Fisher still returning the most pitching. Ithaca's offense has a lot returning, as Stevens will be reloading at several positions.

It seems like everyone is looking up at Fisher, but Ithaca and Stevens won't make it easy for anyone.

Who will likely be the 4th team be in the conference tournament?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: e8bbfan on February 06, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
My guess is either Utica (again) or Canton.  Both have some good young talent.  Pitching for both will be a question mark and will be a key to their consistency.
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Post by: D3SportsFan on February 07, 2017, 11:51:08 AM
Canton should be tough with the pitchers and hitters that are returning. Utica graduated their top pitcher, but do have several bats returning.

Does Houghton or Elmira have enough to compete for that 4th spot?
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Post by: e8bbfan on February 09, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
Elmira maybe but Houghton is such a small school, I don't think they can compete at the upper level of the conference.
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Post by: D3SportsFan on April 03, 2017, 01:35:25 PM
St. John Fisher has started the conference slate very strong...strong offense and solid pitching again for the Cardinals. Tough series between Ithaca and Stevens (home series for IC played at Stevens)...it will be interesting to see how these 2 fair moving forward since both are expected in the top 3 in the end.

Midweek:
Utica at Canton

This weekend:
Ithaca at Elmira
Stevens at Canton
Houghton at Utica
SJF bye
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: e8bbfan on April 23, 2017, 10:51:05 PM
Things are shaping up for a very interesting finish in the conference. Fisher and Ithaca are battling for the 1-2 spots but Stevens, Elmira and Utica are all in it for the final two spots. This last week should solidify things
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 24, 2017, 11:22:59 AM
Utica may be in the best spot among Elmira and Stevens since they have 6 conference games remaining and only one win behind those two.

Fisher with 8 conference games remaining will need to stay hot to hold onto the league crown, although Ithaca has 3 more losses than Fisher at this time so there is a cushion.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on May 01, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
Still a few make up games after the final conference weekend:

St. John Fisher (14-1) magic number at 1 with 2.5 game lead over Ithaca (12-4). SJF and Ithaca DH on Saturday.

Stevens finishes E8 slate at 9-9.

Utica at 8-7 with single games against Canton, Elmira, and Fisher remaining.

Elmira at 8-9 with final game against Utica Friday.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on May 03, 2017, 01:36:33 PM
Utica and Canton ppd today.

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2017, 02:53:42 PM
Ithaca advances to the E8 title game, while St. John Fisher and Stevens battle it out to see who has to beat the Bombers twice tomorrow.

Boy, what a surprising opener by Fisher. Poldomani is Stevens' ace, I get it, but a 7-3 loss with the three runs coming in the 9th is a stunner. And for a team that relies heavily on three starters to have to burn that third one in a losers' bracket game is tough, especially because pitching depth is usually a key advantage when facing the Bombers. Ithaca also got a complete game from their starter today, so that helps, but I have no clue if Ithaca has the arms to pull this off
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2017, 03:46:05 PM
I think you're going to see a ton of offense tomorrow. Fisher's up 5-1 after 2 in an elimination game with Stevens, but has used their top two starters, and already dug into their bullpen.  They could really use a long outing from Pisciotto today, but at 33 pitches through 2 innings, that might not be in the cards. Stevens tried to take advantage of playing back to back and start the pitcher who threw five innings in relief against IC. It didn't work.

If I were Fisher, I'd pull Pisciotto now, and save him for tomorrow. All respect to Stevens, but they made six errors in the Ithaca game, have made two already in this one, not to mention a passed ball and a dropped third strike. I just can't see them putting it together in this one.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2017, 03:55:31 PM
Looks like Fisher is going to stick with their starter, but another 15 pitch inning puts him at 48 through 3
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Post by: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2017, 04:27:13 PM
And it looks like Stevens read my post! The Ducks have battled back and have pulled even with Fisher, 5-5 in the 5th. They've really pounded Pisciotto, to the tune of 8 hits and two walks through five.

Hamel has thrown 2 2/3 scoreless for Stevens and maybe the Ducks got too cute by starting Ruegger. Stevens had to hit in the bottom of the 9th against Ithaca, then you had a half hour layoff, then  Stevens hit in the top of the first. That's a long layoff for Ruegger after a decent amount of work, and he pitched poorly.

EDIT: Fisher takes a 6-5 lead.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2017, 04:44:12 PM
Hamel has gone 4 1/3 and allowed just one run. Stevens goes yard to tie it at six. Boy, I'm kind of pulling for the Ducks, because it does look like they got too cute to open the game (Well, I'm actually rooting for about 20 innings of baseball, for Ithaca's sake).
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on May 13, 2017, 07:42:11 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2017, 02:53:42 PM
Ithaca advances to the E8 title game, while St. John Fisher and Stevens battle it out to see who has to beat the Bombers twice tomorrow.

Boy, what a surprising opener by Fisher. Poldomani is Stevens' ace, I get it, but a 7-3 loss with the three runs coming in the 9th is a stunner. And for a team that relies heavily on three starters to have to burn that third one in a losers' bracket game is tough, especially because pitching depth is usually a key advantage when facing the Bombers. Ithaca also got a complete game from their starter today, so that helps, but I have no clue if Ithaca has the arms to pull this off

Fisher did the same thing in last year's tournament. They dropped an egg against Utica in game one before winning 3 straight to push IC to an elimination game. Eventually losing to IC in the final game. The difference was last year's team had one more quality starter for the first game against IC. I guess the real question is, has Fisher done enough, if they do lose today, to get an at large?

Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 13, 2017, 11:54:36 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on May 13, 2017, 07:42:11 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2017, 02:53:42 PM
Ithaca advances to the E8 title game, while St. John Fisher and Stevens battle it out to see who has to beat the Bombers twice tomorrow.

Boy, what a surprising opener by Fisher. Poldomani is Stevens' ace, I get it, but a 7-3 loss with the three runs coming in the 9th is a stunner. And for a team that relies heavily on three starters to have to burn that third one in a losers' bracket game is tough, especially because pitching depth is usually a key advantage when facing the Bombers. Ithaca also got a complete game from their starter today, so that helps, but I have no clue if Ithaca has the arms to pull this off

Fisher did the same thing in last year's tournament. They dropped an egg against Utica in game one before winning 3 straight to push IC to an elimination game. Eventually losing to IC in the final game. The difference was last year's team had one more quality starter for the first game against IC. I guess the real question is, has Fisher done enough, if they do lose today, to get an at large?

The Bombers get six runs in the second inning thanks to four Fisher errors and a bases loaded triple. Bombers trying to hang on. 6-2 in the 7th
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Post by: Bombers798891 on May 15, 2017, 08:45:06 AM
Ithaca hangs on and gets the E8 autobid with a 10-6 win. The early errors by Fisher killed them, leading to four unearned runs. But the Bombers also racked up 10 hits and drew 8 walks, and got six quality innings from Andrew Bailey, as Fisher's bats once again take way too long to get going. The Cardinals briefly made it interesting by getting it to 6-4, but a 4 run 7th from the Bombers is too much to overcome
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Post by: Jack Parkman on September 30, 2017, 08:35:39 PM
I see Tim Locastro was just called up to the Dodgers yesterday.  Obviously not a post-season roster guy but another D3 guy in the bigs is great to see.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on October 02, 2017, 10:43:00 AM
Locastro got in 3 games with an AB and SB.  Not bad for a very late callup
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 02, 2018, 10:44:05 PM
Does anyone know why Jim Dawson has not been pitching for Fisher this year? He is listed on the roster, but has yet to pitch.
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Post by: John McGraw on April 03, 2018, 09:21:57 AM
Quote from: sjfcards on April 02, 2018, 10:44:05 PM
Does anyone know why Jim Dawson has not been pitching for Fisher this year? He is listed on the roster, but has yet to pitch.

Could be for any number of reasons. Think Fisher has been decent enough without him so far using two freshmen along with Brophy in the starting rotation. That said, if Fisher has both Dawson & Brophy dealing, they're a solid favorite to get back to Appleton and do damage. Without... still a very good team but maybe a bit lower of a ceiling. I should preface that by saying I still think they very much go to NCAA's but it's hard to get deep into the tournament without great starting pitching depth. In terms of the player, yes, he is on the roster, and he is also mentioned in the school's season preview that was released in February so who knows.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 03, 2018, 11:41:14 AM
If you look at the numbers at the end of the year last season...he struggled towards end and velo was down.  I think he may have been hurt.  I don't believe he pitched in summer as well.  Lot of wins to replace, but, after looking at the schedule they played so far, it seems the youngsters are holding their own.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 30, 2018, 02:37:19 PM
Empire 8 tournament begins next Thursday, and should be an interesting one with it hosted at Stevens and their unique field dimensions.

There could be some great pitching matchups...
Ruegger Poidomani DiPasquale - Stevens
Brophy Geissel (maybe Chambers) - St. John Fisher
Binder Morello - Ithaca
Cavalieri - Houghton


#4 Houghton at #1 Stevens - Thurs. 5/10 11am
#3 Ithaca at #2 St. John Fisher - Thurs. 5/10 2:30pm
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Post by: Jack Parkman on November 22, 2018, 12:30:24 PM
Interesting to see these players get swapped and returned to their home areas, instead of across the country.

https://www.mlb.com/yankees/news/dodgers-trade-tim-locastro-to-yankees/c-301025242
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Post by: Caz Bombers on March 05, 2019, 09:39:36 AM
sounds like the Fisher-Widener game down in Florida yesterday was bonkers. SJF coughed up a 14-2 lead in the 6th inning only to tie in the bottom of the 9th and walk off the Pride 17-16 in 10 innings.

https://athletics.sjfc.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=baseball&id=6496
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on March 18, 2019, 10:56:06 PM
Tough to get a read on Fisher this year. They have had a nice start to the season at 7-3, with wins over Johns Hopkins, UMass Boston (2 out of 3), and now Kean who are all ranked. However the pitching does not look solid at all outside of kuruts. Brophy has only thrown 1 game (3 innings I think), and Dawson has only thrown 1 inning. I thought those would be the top 2 guys this year.

Should be interesting now that they are back from Florida, and start to play in region.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 20, 2019, 09:13:52 PM
I wouldn't worry much about the pitching too much. Remember. Playing all those games in a short time gets guys some time they usually wouldn't see. Their top 8 guys are very good. They have been ultra successful as a team playing 7 of their first 10 games against ranked teams and with a win today improved to 8-3 against a decent rit team. They will be there at the end
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Post by: Jim Dixon on March 21, 2019, 02:16:49 AM
Depth in pitching are de-emphasized not with super regionals.  The Cal Lu strategy of four pitchers, three starters and a closer will be more in fashion.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on March 21, 2019, 10:53:39 AM
I get that Jim, but, you have to get there first.  In cases like Fisher...who if they don't win the league is always in the mix for an at large, you need to win as many midweeks as possible.  And they duck no one with a top schedule year in and year out.  Also, if you get to a regional and lose...you gonna need more guys.  Looking forward to the new format though.  More teams need to get in!! And the NY region is pretty darn good with some teams not ranked that can compete with the ones that are. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 22, 2019, 01:12:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on March 21, 2019, 02:16:49 AM
Depth in pitching are de-emphasized not with super regionals.  The Cal Lu strategy of four pitchers, three starters and a closer will be more in fashion.

Remember that no regional will be more than four teams with super regionals and pool play in the World Series.  With three lights out pitchers, You can win your conference, regional, super regional and world series.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 11, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
SJF Cards...pretty good run for your cards..take a peek at this.  Regardless of the AQ at the end of the year if your cardinals keep it up, they look great for the tournament.  Their SOS is as usual...really high.

boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 23, 2019, 08:05:32 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 11, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
SJF Cards...pretty good run for your cards..take a peek at this.  Regardless of the AQ at the end of the year if your cardinals keep it up, they look great for the tournament.  Their SOS is as usual...really high.

boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

I am hoping Fisher can make some hay here against what appears to be the weaker part of their schedule. They have already won 4 straight against Houghton and Canton, and now get Elmira and Utica. That hurts the SOS, but could boost that win total. Fingers crossed they perform well down the stretch, but i am not sure about an at large.

PQ
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on April 25, 2019, 06:24:17 PM
Their SOS is so high that they should be OK.  BUT...they certainly have had beyond strong cases the past couple of years and didn't get it...(see Alvernia last year..yikes.)  Fisher has scheduled well and was rewarded with the number 2 slot in the region.  It isn't close in regards to other teams in their league.  But winning the conference tournament would put all these concerns to sleep.  Your right on the ease  of schedule but all the teams have these games in their leagues. 
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcards on April 28, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
At least Fisher is winning these games. 7 straight with a sweep of Utica today. They still have 1 more with Utica and 2 with Houghton. If they win those 3 that will be 28 wind and two more games with Rochester and Keystone.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Conts Fan on May 08, 2019, 11:40:33 AM
What is the reason that Ithaca is still competing in the E8 for baseball and not the LL?
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on May 10, 2019, 04:15:04 PM
Quote from: Conts Fan on May 08, 2019, 11:40:33 AM
What is the reason that Ithaca is still competing in the E8 for baseball and not the LL?

Ithaca baseball was indeed to move to LL along with most other Bomber sports (squash, men's golf, gymnastics excepted at onetime). Shift from E8 effective for 1917-18. But baseball stayed on as affiliate E8 member. Could be IC and venerable baseball skipper George V. felt it owed that to E8 since departure would mean E8 loses NCAA automatic qualifying baseball bid. Canton came aboard E8 as affiliate member in baseball to give E8 sufficient numbers in '17. Liberty League already had AQ numbers for baseball.  Going back to early 2000s there was no E8 AQ in baseball, not that it held Fisher, Stevens and particularly baseball proud IC from national attention. Just a thought.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on May 10, 2019, 10:02:24 PM
I know several members of the LL are unhappy with the league office for allowing this arrangement; but as far as I know it is through. Ithaca will be playing Liberty League baseball next spring.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on June 01, 2020, 02:12:02 PM
Russell Sage adds baseball for spring '22, along with women's golf and ecccchh, e-sports. Cutting men's tennis.

https://www.sagegators.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200601eakofb
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 02, 2020, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on June 01, 2020, 02:12:02 PM
Russell Sage adds baseball for spring '22, along with women's golf and ecccchh, e-sports. Cutting men's tennis.

https://www.sagegators.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200601eakofb

good news. the E8 needs a few new members.
Title: Re: BB: E8: Empire 8
Post by: airball55 on February 24, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
Cardinals pick up where they leave off...15 runs at RPI.  Tough weather conditions but it appears they will be just fine with bats in their hands.  Cardinals schedule as usual...challenging.  They aren't afraid to get after it out of conference.