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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45360 on: January 22, 2018, 11:29:39 am »
Make this that and that this and there you have it.

Well I could have used Albion as an example but yesterday was only their 3rd best win of the season.
Weird game, take away second 5 minutes of first half and last 5 minutes of the second half and Calvin won the game 61-58.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45361 on: January 22, 2018, 06:40:31 pm »
Weird game, take away first 5 minutes and last 5 minutes of the first half and Hope won the rest of the game 69-47.   Those two tough stretches made it a very long uphill battle all night for Hope who were running on fumes at the end.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45362 on: January 22, 2018, 06:53:35 pm »
Weird game, take away first 5 minutes and last 5 minutes of the first half and Hope won the rest of the game 69-47.   Those two tough stretches made it a very long uphill battle all night for Hope who were running on fumes at the end.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45363 on: January 22, 2018, 07:31:17 pm »
This has proven to be a tough year for Calvin but they actually have a lot of talent in the freshmen and sophomore classes. I didn't see the early game before Calvin varsity lost to Hope at DeVos, but I'm told the Knights JV team whacked Hope pretty good that night.

Yes, but do remember that Hope has 6 freshmen on their varsity team. I wouldn't hold too much weight in beating Hope's JV team this season.
How many freshmen does Calvin have on their varsity team?
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45364 on: January 22, 2018, 08:16:03 pm »
This has proven to be a tough year for Calvin but they actually have a lot of talent in the freshmen and sophomore classes. I didn't see the early game before Calvin varsity lost to Hope at DeVos, but I'm told the Knights JV team whacked Hope pretty good that night.

Yes, but do remember that Hope has 6 freshmen on their varsity team. I wouldn't hold too much weight in beating Hope's JV team this season.
How many freshmen does Calvin have on their varsity team?

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The next question should be, how many from varsity did each team play in the JV game at DeVos Fieldhouse?


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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45365 on: January 22, 2018, 10:30:50 pm »
Make this that and that this and there you have it.

Well I could have used Albion as an example but yesterday was only their 3rd best win of the season.
Weird game, take away second 5 minutes of first half and last 5 minutes of the second half and Calvin won the game 61-58.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45366 on: January 22, 2018, 10:34:18 pm »
This whole deal about winning the game but not the score is making a lot more sense to me.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45367 on: January 23, 2018, 12:50:52 pm »
This whole deal about winning the game but not the score is making a lot more sense to me.



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You get an outstanding second-half rally after Hope couldn't hit a perimeter shot all day, leaving head coach Glenn Van Wieren virtually ebullient, under the circumstances. "The score, we lost. I'm not sure we lost the game," he said.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45368 on: January 23, 2018, 01:23:49 pm »
9 years ago.....nine.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45369 on: January 23, 2018, 02:34:41 pm »
My impression is that nine years ago is yesterday in Hope/Calvin terms. ;)
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45370 on: January 23, 2018, 02:48:44 pm »
Seems like all's fair in love and rivalry.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45371 on: January 23, 2018, 02:49:07 pm »
My impression is that nine years ago is yesterday in Hope/Calvin terms. ;)

A thousand years is as a day to the Calvin/Hope Rivalry--or at least 53 years is. I still remember with vivid bitterness the totally unjustified free throws awarded Don Kronemeyer at the end of the second overtime to give the Flying Dutchmen a heavily tainted 104-102 win at the Civic in 1965. Not that I'm bitter about it. ;)

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45372 on: January 23, 2018, 02:54:51 pm »
I know it's been a few days, but...

Adrian 66 - Alma 73

The 1st half really laid the groundwork to Alma's win. They swung the ball really well, moved Adrian's defense around (23 assists to Adrian's 14), and when Adrian tried to recover, Alma attacked, putting defenders on their heels. This caused some scores inside, but more importantly, got open looks for some easy jump shots for 54% field goal shooting in the 1st half (and 51% in the 2nd half and 40 points in the paint vs. 20 for Adrian). Adrian conversely shot only 34% in the 1st half and early on, only Tre'shon Heard took control offensively for Adrian when they were down double digits early. Jeremy Kalonji did well late in the 2nd half (such a surprisingly good shooter), but Justin Webster really struggled inside going 1 for 7 in the 1st with no free throws (I learned from the solid Alma announcer that he was 2nd in the nation in FT attempts with over 150 on the year). The big guys, espcially Kevin Gamble, did a great job getting in front of Webster, staying straight up, and really bodying Webster and forcing poor shots.

Adrian made a game of it in the 2nd half, but big time credit to Alma for responding. Over the course of the 2nd half, Adrian got it tied with about 5 minutes left, but they never got the lead as Alma stopped their momentum.  Webster did better in the 2nd half (5 of 9 FG and 3 of 4 FT), but it still was difficult for him (committed Adrian's only turnovers in the 2nd half). But from the 3 minute point, Alma kept getting a 2 to 6 point lead and Adrian couldn't string stops and scores together to win.

Besides the other stats already given, Adrian also got outrebounded 35 to 27.

Once again, Adrian gets basically no bench help.

And now Adrian goes from the pole position to bumping with the field. Hopefully Adrian takes care of Kalamazoo, but each game is going to be battle after battle for the rest of the year.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45373 on: January 23, 2018, 06:03:07 pm »
I know it's been a few days, but...

Adrian 66 - Alma 73

The 1st half really laid the groundwork to Alma's win. They swung the ball really well, moved Adrian's defense around (23 assists to Adrian's 14), and when Adrian tried to recover, Alma attacked, putting defenders on their heels. This caused some scores inside, but more importantly, got open looks for some easy jump shots for 54% field goal shooting in the 1st half (and 51% in the 2nd half and 40 points in the paint vs. 20 for Adrian). Adrian conversely shot only 34% in the 1st half and early on, only Tre'shon Heard took control offensively for Adrian when they were down double digits early. Jeremy Kalonji did well late in the 2nd half (such a surprisingly good shooter), but Justin Webster really struggled inside going 1 for 7 in the 1st with no free throws (I learned from the solid Alma announcer that he was 2nd in the nation in FT attempts with over 150 on the year). The big guys, espcially Kevin Gamble, did a great job getting in front of Webster, staying straight up, and really bodying Webster and forcing poor shots.

Adrian made a game of it in the 2nd half, but big time credit to Alma for responding. Over the course of the 2nd half, Adrian got it tied with about 5 minutes left, but they never got the lead as Alma stopped their momentum.  Webster did better in the 2nd half (5 of 9 FG and 3 of 4 FT), but it still was difficult for him (committed Adrian's only turnovers in the 2nd half). But from the 3 minute point, Alma kept getting a 2 to 6 point lead and Adrian couldn't string stops and scores together to win.

Besides the other stats already given, Adrian also got outrebounded 35 to 27.

Once again, Adrian gets basically no bench help.

And now Adrian goes from the pole position to bumping with the field. Hopefully Adrian takes care of Kalamazoo, but each game is going to be battle after battle for the rest of the year.

I watched most of the game on the video feed from Alma last Saturday night.  Great synapsys of the game, Bulldog30.  Adrian needs to stay healthy the rest of the year.  I know Heard and Harris both got dinged up during that game and had to go out, and even though they subsequently came back in, the replacements you have aren't nearly the caliber they are.  Alma's zone I thought caused Adrian a lot of problems.  Webster struggled, Alma did a great job of collapsing on him and making him take very tough shots.  Which is what Trine focused on too with our game against Adrian.  The biggest difference is that in the Trine game Adrian's perimeter players hit their shots and in the Alma game they were less accurate.

Trine gets Alma tomorrow night.  Alma is playing pretty well lately.  We need to get this one or we might lose our mojo with Hope and Olivet coming up.

I see 4 of the 5 starters for Adrian are from Indiana, all new this year (2 freshmen and 2 transfers).  Does Coach Lindsay have a connection down here or maybe one of his assistants?  I'm just jealous they didn't pick Trine... ::)  Oh and do you know what happened to the Walpole kid? Another Indiana player who picked Adrian, but haven't seen him listed on the roster since December.  I watched him play a few times in high school, kid could shoot the rock.  I knew Lindsay would make a good Head Coach someday from watching him interact with the players and staff when he was an assistant at Trine.

Keep posting, it's awesome to read posts about MIAA MBB that aren't always Hope or Calvin...or Calvin or Hope...or...

Seems like we have just one poster from each of the "little six" on here...and they rarely post.  We are clearly outnumbered  ;D.   
   

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #45374 on: January 23, 2018, 08:21:26 pm »
My impression is that nine years ago is yesterday in Hope/Calvin terms. ;)

A thousand years is as a day to the Calvin/Hope Rivalry--or at least 53 years is. I still remember with vivid bitterness the totally unjustified free throws awarded Don Kronemeyer at the end of the second overtime to give the Flying Dutchmen a heavily tainted 104-102 win at the Civic in 1965. Not that I'm bitter about it. ;)

http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20140201f8qksu

Let me see if I can add to oldknights' pain for the last 53 years.

I also vividly remember that incredible event, but without any bitterness.  Don Kronemeyer and I were in the same Sunday School class at church, and also freshmen at Hope.  That night I was sitting near the basket as Kronny dragged himself to the line after getting mugged by Calvin's Kim Campbell near the Calvin basket.  The refs ruled that foul occurred a tick before the buzzer went off, but no time was left on the clock.  If Don misses the first of a one and one we have a triple overtime.  He had to shoot the free throw with all the players at half court.  Talk about pressure on the Freshman guard! 

The crowd, including me and my friends, rushed the court after he made the first shot and carried him off the court for what we thought was a one point victory.  However, the refs insisted on Don completing the second shot, and after much delay he went to the line again, also made the second shot, and got carried off the court a second time.  Good thing the refs did not call the home crowd for a T after storming the court the first time.

Only game I ever saw where 1) the game was won about a minute after the buzzer went off (although the refs correctly ruled that the obvious foul was just before the buzzer), and 2) the game officially ended a few minutes after that buzzer, after the second free throw. In today's game they would have put some time back on the clock, even tenths of a second.

The goat of the game was Calvin's Campbell, who not only fouled the Hope freshman who was the entire length of the court away from the Hope basket as time expired with no chance to score, but with 23 seconds left in the 2nd OT made the front end of a one-and-one, giving Calvin a three point, two possession lead (no three point line), only to have the point taken off the board because he had his toe on the line, and thus forfeiting his second free throw.