East Region Fan Poll

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bman

Quote from: D3MAFAN on September 20, 2017, 10:15:04 AM
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Week 3 Fan Poll 

       Team                RecordPointsLast RatingNext Week
1   Brockport State ( 4 )3-0481tvs. Utica
2   Frostburg State ( 1 )3-0441tat Christopher Newport
3   Delaware Valley3-0421tvs. Stevenson
4   Wesley1-1305at William Paterson
5   Alfred2-0236vs. Rochester
6   Albright3-0204vs. Widener
7   Hobart2-1187vs. Endicott
8   Springfield3-0149vs. WPI
9   Framingham State3-01210vs. Massachusetts Maritime
10  RPI3-09NRat Buffalo State


Dropping Out:
Salibury


Also Receiving votes:               
Christopher Newport 6
Salisbury 4
Stevenson 4
Buffalo State 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Brockport State (3,1,1,1,1)
Frostburg State (1,2,4,2,2)
Delaware Valley (2,3,2,3,3)
Wesley (4,6,3,5,7)
Alfred (NR,4,9,4,4)
Albright (10,8,5,7,5)
Hobart (9,5,6,NR,6)
Springfield (6,7,NR,9,8)
Framingham State (5,NR,NR,6,10)
RPI (7,NR,NR,8,9)
Christopher Newport (8,9,10,NR,NR)
Salisbury (NR,10,8,NR,NR)
Stevenson (NR,NR,7,NR,NR)
Buffalo State (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)

I like the spread.  At least it looks like we are at least watching the results and not just mailing it in each week.  I like the up and down movement as the teams either produce or dont.  Still find it hard to believe that 2 people dont have framingham on the ballot.

One of them be me. I think CNU and Salisbury beat Framingham. I'm voter #2. Could change after next week.

CNU, yes! Salisbury, I am not sure, I watch a little of the Kean game and I think they are not as good as year's past. I guest I would know a little more about both teams in a couple weeks. Meanwhile our focus is on Mass Maritime, a team that we struggled to win against last year.



I think there still will be some (anti)New England football bias in this region for some time.  Until we see a team come out of NE and dominate, the thought that they can rate within the region (fair or not) is diminished...

D3MAFAN

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Week 3 Fan Poll 

       Team                RecordPointsLast RatingNext Week
1   Brockport State ( 4 )3-0481tvs. Utica
2   Frostburg State ( 1 )3-0441tat Christopher Newport
3   Delaware Valley3-0421tvs. Stevenson
4   Wesley1-1305at William Paterson
5   Alfred2-0236vs. Rochester
6   Albright3-0204vs. Widener
7   Hobart2-1187vs. Endicott
8   Springfield3-0149vs. WPI
9   Framingham State3-01210vs. Massachusetts Maritime
10  RPI3-09NRat Buffalo State


Dropping Out:
Salibury


Also Receiving votes:               
Christopher Newport 6
Salisbury 4
Stevenson 4
Buffalo State 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Brockport State (3,1,1,1,1)
Frostburg State (1,2,4,2,2)
Delaware Valley (2,3,2,3,3)
Wesley (4,6,3,5,7)
Alfred (NR,4,9,4,4)
Albright (10,8,5,7,5)
Hobart (9,5,6,NR,6)
Springfield (6,7,NR,9,8)
Framingham State (5,NR,NR,6,10)
RPI (7,NR,NR,8,9)
Christopher Newport (8,9,10,NR,NR)
Salisbury (NR,10,8,NR,NR)
Stevenson (NR,NR,7,NR,NR)
Buffalo State (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)

I like the spread.  At least it looks like we are at least watching the results and not just mailing it in each week.  I like the up and down movement as the teams either produce or dont.  Still find it hard to believe that 2 people dont have framingham on the ballot.

One of them be me. I think CNU and Salisbury beat Framingham. I'm voter #2. Could change after next week.

CNU, yes! Salisbury, I am not sure, I watch a little of the Kean game and I think they are not as good as year's past. I guest I would know a little more about both teams in a couple weeks. Meanwhile our focus is on Mass Maritime, a team that we struggled to win against last year.



I think there still will be some (anti)New England football bias in this region for some time.  Until we see a team come out of NE and dominate, the thought that they can rate within the region (fair or not) is diminished...

It is tough to recruit in the North East with there being so many schools including competing against the NESCAC schools, which have great education programs. However, I think over the past 5 years, the teams have been getting better and as certain teams continue to play other East Regional teams. I am not sure if there will ever be a team in the NE that will dominate. Nevertheless, being able to compete and not get blown out in the 1st round will continue to help. Also, with teams like Salve, WNE, Springfield, BSU, Endicott and the RAMS continuing to schedule top Empire 8, LL, and NJAC teams it only helps us get better as well as the East Region as a whole. At the end of the day, one of the aforementioned teams will play the Empire 8 champ, NJAC Champ, or Mount in the 1st round. If we could steal one of those games and play decent the 2nd round, then we will see the change in perception. 

Bombers798891

I will say, I was pretty anti NE for several years, but the quality of play has gotten better. As it relates to Framingham this year, I don't know. Cortland went 5-6 last season and although they are 2-1 now, the wins were skin of the teeth (last second FG against 0-3 Augustana, late stop against 1-2 Hartwick). The schedule gets much tougher the next three games (Brockport, Alfredm, and Buff State). That win by Framingham might not look great if the Red Dragons are 2-4

D3MAFAN

Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 20, 2017, 12:04:37 PM
I will say, I was pretty anti NE for several years, but the quality of play has gotten better. As it relates to Framingham this year, I don't know. Cortland went 5-6 last season and although they are 2-1 now, the wins were skin of the teeth (last second FG against 0-3 Augustana, late stop against 1-2 Hartwick). The schedule gets much tougher the next three games (Brockport, Alfredm, and Buff State). That win by Framingham might not look great if the Red Dragons are 2-4

Agree Bombers, but it was a big win for the RAMS as we have had some close one's against them in the past. It's always good to get a notch on a team that you haven't beaten.

Bombers798891

Quote from: D3MAFAN on September 20, 2017, 02:08:41 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 20, 2017, 12:04:37 PM
I will say, I was pretty anti NE for several years, but the quality of play has gotten better. As it relates to Framingham this year, I don't know. Cortland went 5-6 last season and although they are 2-1 now, the wins were skin of the teeth (last second FG against 0-3 Augustana, late stop against 1-2 Hartwick). The schedule gets much tougher the next three games (Brockport, Alfredm, and Buff State). That win by Framingham might not look great if the Red Dragons are 2-4

Agree Bombers, but it was a big win for the RAMS as we have had some close one's against them in the past. It's always good to get a notch on a team that you haven't beaten.

Totally agree. I remember a similar conversation around Utica beating Ithaca for the 1st time, and what did it mean because Ithaca wasn't as good as they used to be, etc. It's not meant to denigrate the team that won, just attempt to put it into perspective, which is important come Pool C time

Bartman

Time for Buff State to get some love from the voters, impressive comeback against RPI....setting up a nice game against the Saxons this week
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wesleydad

Quote from: Bartman on September 24, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
Time for Buff State to get some love from the voters, impressive comeback against RPI....setting up a nice game against the Saxons this week

They were already in my top 10.  So I was already giving them some love.

rams1102

Quote from: Bartman on September 24, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
Time for Buff State to get some love from the voters, impressive comeback against RPI....setting up a nice game against the Saxons this week

They will be #10 in my Poll in a few minutes.
It ain't over till it's over, and when you get to the fork in the road, take it.

wesleydad

Quote from: rams1102 on September 24, 2017, 06:24:35 PM
Quote from: Bartman on September 24, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
Time for Buff State to get some love from the voters, impressive comeback against RPI....setting up a nice game against the Saxons this week

They will be #10 in my Poll in a few minutes.

higher than that in mine I believe.

dlippiel

The Bengals certainly belong from this point on in dlip's opinion until they prove otherwise. dlip also thinks Springfield should stay in spots 8-10 unless they lose (moving them up will be a tough call because the competition isn't really all that impressive from here on out).dlip would also consider keeping RPI maybe in the #10 spot (however CNU could also be deserving) as well as keeping Framingham alive and well in the mix. dlip would also jump Del Val over Frostburg having seen both play (albeit on streaming video). Del Val made Stevenson look like a ****ing Pee-Wee Pop Warner team with mis-matched equipment...

wesleydad

Quote from: dlip on September 24, 2017, 06:35:58 PM
The Bengals certainly belong from this point on in dlip's opinion until they prove otherwise. dlip also thinks Springfield should stay in spots 8-10 unless they lose (moving them up will be a tough call because the competition isn't really all that impressive from here on out).dlip would also consider keeping RPI maybe in the #10 spot (however CNU could also be deserving) as well as keeping Framingham alive and well in the mix. dlip would also jump Del Val over Frostburg having seen both play (albeit on streaming video). Del Val made Stevenson look like a ****ing Pee-Wee Pop Warner team with mis-matched equipment...

Dropped RPI out replaced with CNU.  Stevenson is not that good, Frostburg did the same to them earlier, 33-7.  I saw Del Val live against Wesley and Frostburg on computer and Frostburh is better.  I dont think Del Val beats Wesley 1 more time if they played 9 more times, but that does not matter they beat them in the game that counted.  I have Framingham at 6, dont see any reason not too.  I think they beat anyone under them.

Bombers798891

One of the reasons that I don't do polls like this is that I struggle with the idea of crediting/dinging teams for minor things that result in wins and losses. "Just win" is fine when you're talking about making the playoffs, but to me a poll is about how good/strong a team is, and that's about more than W/L. I'm not saying I wouldn't draw conclusions from the game, but I don't know if I'd derive them from the results.

The big reason for this is that I simply don't trust D3 kicking. It's just a crapshoot for so many teams. And drawing conclusions from the results of kicking follies is something I don't do. Look at Buff State/Morrisville: Morrisville misses two XPs, so it's 33-28 instead of 35-28. As a result, when Buff State goes up 41-40, they go for two and fail. This opens the door for Morrisville to go for two at 46-41, which they make. Which looms large when Buff State misses the XP down 48-47.

Suppose for a second the game ended there. Morrisville State gets the win because the Rube Goldberg set of events they kicked off (pun intended) by missing two extra points resulted in their 7 touchdowns resulting in 48 points instead of 47. I don't think that makes them any better or stronger than the Bengals.

I mean, I just watched a replay crew overturn a sack and call a 12-men on the field penalty based on some guy being in the air as he crossed over the sidelines. I've come to the conclusion that some things that happen really aren't about how good your are.

jknezek

Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 25, 2017, 09:41:44 AM
One of the reasons that I don't do polls like this is that I struggle with the idea of crediting/dinging teams for minor things that result in wins and losses. "Just win" is fine when you're talking about making the playoffs, but to me a poll is about how good/strong a team is, and that's about more than W/L. I'm not saying I wouldn't draw conclusions from the game, but I don't know if I'd derive them from the results.

The big reason for this is that I simply don't trust D3 kicking. It's just a crapshoot for so many teams. And drawing conclusions from the results of kicking follies is something I don't do. Look at Buff State/Morrisville: Morrisville misses two XPs, so it's 33-28 instead of 35-28. As a result, when Buff State goes up 41-40, they go for two and fail. This opens the door for Morrisville to go for two at 46-41, which they make. Which looms large when Buff State misses the XP down 48-47.

Suppose for a second the game ended there. Morrisville State gets the win because the Rube Goldberg set of events they kicked off (pun intended) by missing two extra points resulted in their 7 touchdowns resulting in 48 points instead of 47. I don't think that makes them any better or stronger than the Bengals.

I mean, I just watched a replay crew overturn a sack and call a 12-men on the field penalty based on some guy being in the air as he crossed over the sidelines. I've come to the conclusion that some things that happen really aren't about how good your are.

I think kicking is too important to place in this context. A good kicker makes a team better. CMS beat W&L last year on the strength of several 45+ yard field goals. JHU beat W&L because their kicker made a long field goal and W&L missed an XP that led to overtime. Kicking is part of the game. You can't just ignore the kicking game as not being relevant to whether a team is better than another.

I actually think kicker is one of the most important positions on the field. Coaches at all levels don't coach it because they don't know how. So few of them actually were kickers. Rather than hiring that extra assistant for linebackers, which is a position anyone who played defense can coach, they should hire someone to coach the punter and kicker. It would more than pay off. But since kickers are always considered the least football position on the field, despite usually being the position that scores the most points, we are stuck with really bad kicking at all levels but the pros, where the field has been winnowed down to the very, very best.

AUPepBand

In the Utica game, with AU in fourth down on the UC 47-yard-line, the snap sailed over the head of Alfred punter Trevor Monk, who ran back, grabbed the ball on its second hop, and, while being pursued by three Pioneers, ran off to his right and from the AU 20-yard-line got off a running rugby style punt that hit on the Utica 25-yard-line and rolled to the 9-yard-line where it was picked up by a Pioneer who was immediately gang tackled at the 10. In the books, the punt netted 38 yards with a 1-yard return. For those who saw it, it was the play of the game and also AU Play of the Week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nckf2s61tBc

Later in that game, Monk was the last defender who shoved a kickoff return man out of bounds to save a TD. Similarly, in the 2016 NCAA playoff game vs. Western New England with AU clinging to a 30-24 lead, the Bears had a wall of blockers and the punt return man had only Monk to beat, with two blockers ahead of him. An overzealous WNE blocker blocked Monk in the back, with said block vaulting Monk into the ball carrier, which resulted in a fumble that resulted the ball going out of bounds before a Saxon could gain control. Again, the 5'9" 140 lb. kicker saved a TD and the game.

Pep is reminded of the discussion last year in which one poster insisted that a kicking specialist is NOT a legitimate football player. Kickers/punters have a huge impact on the game at all levels and good consistent ones are a real treasure to any team and should be a consideration in the overall strength of a football team.




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tf37

Quote from: jknezek on September 25, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 25, 2017, 09:41:44 AM
One of the reasons that I don't do polls like this is that I struggle with the idea of crediting/dinging teams for minor things that result in wins and losses. "Just win" is fine when you're talking about making the playoffs, but to me a poll is about how good/strong a team is, and that's about more than W/L. I'm not saying I wouldn't draw conclusions from the game, but I don't know if I'd derive them from the results.

The big reason for this is that I simply don't trust D3 kicking. It's just a crapshoot for so many teams. And drawing conclusions from the results of kicking follies is something I don't do. Look at Buff State/Morrisville: Morrisville misses two XPs, so it's 33-28 instead of 35-28. As a result, when Buff State goes up 41-40, they go for two and fail. This opens the door for Morrisville to go for two at 46-41, which they make. Which looms large when Buff State misses the XP down 48-47.

Suppose for a second the game ended there. Morrisville State gets the win because the Rube Goldberg set of events they kicked off (pun intended) by missing two extra points resulted in their 7 touchdowns resulting in 48 points instead of 47. I don't think that makes them any better or stronger than the Bengals.

I mean, I just watched a replay crew overturn a sack and call a 12-men on the field penalty based on some guy being in the air as he crossed over the sidelines. I've come to the conclusion that some things that happen really aren't about how good your are.

I think kicking is too important to place in this context. A good kicker makes a team better. CMS beat W&L last year on the strength of several 45+ yard field goals. JHU beat W&L because their kicker made a long field goal and W&L missed an XP that led to overtime. Kicking is part of the game. You can't just ignore the kicking game as not being relevant to whether a team is better than another.

I actually think kicker is one of the most important positions on the field. Coaches at all levels don't coach it because they don't know how. So few of them actually were kickers. Rather than hiring that extra assistant for linebackers, which is a position anyone who played defense can coach, they should hire someone to coach the punter and kicker. It would more than pay off. But since kickers are always considered the least football position on the field, despite usually being the position that scores the most points, we are stuck with really bad kicking at all levels but the pros, where the field has been winnowed down to the very, very best.

jknezek,

Totally agree and would take it a step further - a good (or bad) kicking game affects how agressive coaches call plays as well.

One other note, missed attempts are not always the kicker's fault ( just like not all interceptions are the QBs fault).  The snap and hold are just as important to a successful try.  And it's not usually until the pros that teams have dedicated people doing all those jobs which allows for more realistic practices.