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Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« on: August 24, 2017, 04:54:01 pm »
...not to mention it being a great sport!

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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2017, 03:47:47 pm »
It is growing... but it is also one of the smallest sports, participation wise, in Division III.
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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2017, 03:51:20 pm »
I expect Men's sports will continue to grow as schools struggle to get men on campus. I expect we'll continue to see football being added as it is a driver of alumni donations and a marquee sport that makes a big splash, but it's also a very expensive startup. Men's volleyball, like adding women's lacrosse, is a pretty simple rescheduling of practices in an already available facility for a lot of schools.

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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2017, 08:08:29 am »
I expect Men's sports will continue to grow as schools struggle to get men on campus. I expect we'll continue to see football being added as it is a driver of alumni donations and a marquee sport that makes a big splash, but it's also a very expensive startup. Men's volleyball, like adding women's lacrosse, is a pretty simple rescheduling of practices in an already available facility for a lot of schools.

And, like Cross Country and Track, you can hire one full time coach to do both, if the budget demands it.
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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2017, 11:29:09 am »
I expect Men's sports will continue to grow as schools struggle to get men on campus. I expect we'll continue to see football being added as it is a driver of alumni donations and a marquee sport that makes a big splash, but it's also a very expensive startup. Men's volleyball, like adding women's lacrosse, is a pretty simple rescheduling of practices in an already available facility for a lot of schools.

And, like Cross Country and Track, you can hire one full time coach to do both, if the budget demands it.

true, and for many schools saving money is the primary concern, but if the school wants to actually win at one or the other gender of volleyball, they will separate the jobs as all the top D3 programs do.

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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2017, 01:12:07 pm »
The two new D3 Men's programs that started up in our area (Northeast Ohio) have dedicated Men's coaches...so at this point they are making that investment.

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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2017, 03:53:43 pm »
I expect Men's sports will continue to grow as schools struggle to get men on campus. I expect we'll continue to see football being added as it is a driver of alumni donations and a marquee sport that makes a big splash, but it's also a very expensive startup. Men's volleyball, like adding women's lacrosse, is a pretty simple rescheduling of practices in an already available facility for a lot of schools.

Too a point... as long as Title IX is followed. The challenge with this is to get more men on campus is nice, but there is already women on campus and schools have to watch the numbers very carefully. Adding a massive numbers sport like football nearly always has to be countered by a women's sport of some size (i've seen ice hockey added as the alternative). So yes, to get more people like men on campus football is an option, but not without a lot of challenges.

Unfortunately, football is like wrestling when it comes to Title IX in the sense that there isn't an obvious counterweight. To add football, you have to find a completely different sport with decent numbers (those depend on the school) and now things get more complicated.

The sport that is actually the best to add and many are considering now-a-days is lacrosse. Sure, the northeast has plenty of lacrosse teams, but it is the fastest growing sport in the NCAA for good reason. You can get the same or at least similar numbers without the same costs and certainly with less safety concern. A school also might be able to add the sport at slightly less numbers to keep the big sport from having as big an impact on Title IX. And if it does have an impact, adding women's lacrosse is far easier than a completely different sport.
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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2017, 03:58:39 pm »
I expect Men's sports will continue to grow as schools struggle to get men on campus. I expect we'll continue to see football being added as it is a driver of alumni donations and a marquee sport that makes a big splash, but it's also a very expensive startup. Men's volleyball, like adding women's lacrosse, is a pretty simple rescheduling of practices in an already available facility for a lot of schools.

Too a point... as long as Title IX is followed. The challenge with this is to get more men on campus is nice, but there is already women on campus and schools have to watch the numbers very carefully. Adding a massive numbers sport like football nearly always has to be countered by a women's sport of some size (i've seen ice hockey added as the alternative). So yes, to get more people like men on campus football is an option, but not without a lot of challenges.

Unfortunately, football is like wrestling when it comes to Title IX in the sense that there isn't an obvious counterweight. To add football, you have to find a completely different sport with decent numbers (those depend on the school) and now things get more complicated.

The sport that is actually the best to add and many are considering now-a-days is lacrosse. Sure, the northeast has plenty of lacrosse teams, but it is the fastest growing sport in the NCAA for good reason. You can get the same or at least similar numbers without the same costs and certainly with less safety concern. A school also might be able to add the sport at slightly less numbers to keep the big sport from having as big an impact on Title IX. And if it does have an impact, adding women's lacrosse is far easier than a completely different sport.

I don't disagree with any of this. But... as the numbers shift more, football becomes a big deal. Not only does it draw a lot of men, but in surveys it's drawn men just as supposed fans, even if that doesn't seem born out at DIII games. We will see how the concussion research, and the falling numbers of youth football players, affects that over time. So many variables at play...

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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2017, 02:41:53 am »
I expect Men's sports will continue to grow as schools struggle to get men on campus. I expect we'll continue to see football being added as it is a driver of alumni donations and a marquee sport that makes a big splash, but it's also a very expensive startup. Men's volleyball, like adding women's lacrosse, is a pretty simple rescheduling of practices in an already available facility for a lot of schools.

Too a point... as long as Title IX is followed. The challenge with this is to get more men on campus is nice, but there is already women on campus and schools have to watch the numbers very carefully. Adding a massive numbers sport like football nearly always has to be countered by a women's sport of some size (i've seen ice hockey added as the alternative). So yes, to get more people like men on campus football is an option, but not without a lot of challenges.

Unfortunately, football is like wrestling when it comes to Title IX in the sense that there isn't an obvious counterweight. To add football, you have to find a completely different sport with decent numbers (those depend on the school) and now things get more complicated.

The sport that is actually the best to add and many are considering now-a-days is lacrosse. Sure, the northeast has plenty of lacrosse teams, but it is the fastest growing sport in the NCAA for good reason. You can get the same or at least similar numbers without the same costs and certainly with less safety concern. A school also might be able to add the sport at slightly less numbers to keep the big sport from having as big an impact on Title IX. And if it does have an impact, adding women's lacrosse is far easier than a completely different sport.

I don't disagree with any of this. But... as the numbers shift more, football becomes a big deal. Not only does it draw a lot of men, but in surveys it's drawn men just as supposed fans, even if that doesn't seem born out at DIII games. We will see how the concussion research, and the falling numbers of youth football players, affects that over time. So many variables at play...

I suspect that insurance costs will eventually play a big role in the fate of D3 football as well, as more research is done on chronic traumatic encepalopathy.
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Re: Men's Volleyball is growing fast at the D3 level...
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2017, 09:16:02 am »
Occidental does not have men's volleyball, but the AD still screwed up the football program.
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