Future of Division III

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Pat Coleman

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2014, 09:31:31 PM
I have lost track of where the schools stand on the provisional ladder.

Centenary LA becomes a full member in July 2014. The same for Berry.

How far along is everyone else?  Southern Virginia?  SUNY-Alfred? SUNY-Canton? Houghton? Sarah Lawrence?  Valley Forge Christian?

I will appreciate the updates.

Berry is a full member already.
Alfred State is in Year 1.
Southern Virginia is in Year 1.
Not sure on the others.
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2014, 01:38:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2014, 09:31:31 PM
I have lost track of where the schools stand on the provisional ladder.

Centenary LA becomes a full member in July 2014. The same for Berry.

How far along is everyone else?  Southern Virginia?  SUNY-Alfred? SUNY-Canton? Houghton? Sarah Lawrence?  Valley Forge Christian?

I will appreciate the updates.

Berry is a full member already.
Alfred State is in Year 1.
Southern Virginia is in Year 1.
Not sure on the others.
Thanks.  That is right. Berry came in with Covenant.  (Time flies.)


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Ron Boerger

It's official:   Belhaven's applying for D3.   Hal Mumme is not amused ;-)

http://www.belhaven.edu/news/articles/Belhaven-University-Applies-For-NCAA-Division-III-Membership-2014-03-05.htm

They're headed, as expected, to the ASC.

Steve Wiitala

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2014, 09:31:31 PM
I have lost track of where the schools stand on the provisional ladder.

Centenary LA becomes a full member in July 2014. The same for Berry.

How far along is everyone else?  Southern Virginia?  SUNY-Alfred? SUNY-Canton? Houghton? Sarah Lawrence?  Valley Forge Christian?

I will appreciate the updates.

Canton is in year II
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Gregory Sager

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2014, 11:37:50 PM
It's official:   Belhaven's applying for D3.   Hal Mumme is not amused ;-)

http://www.belhaven.edu/news/articles/Belhaven-University-Applies-For-NCAA-Division-III-Membership-2014-03-05.htm

They're headed, as expected, to the ASC.

I'd love to see William Carey follow Belhaven into D3. WCU looks like it would be an ideal D3 candidate, as well as an ASC travel partner for Belhaven.
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2014, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2014, 11:37:50 PM
It's official:   Belhaven's applying for D3.   Hal Mumme is not amused ;-)

http://www.belhaven.edu/news/articles/Belhaven-University-Applies-For-NCAA-Division-III-Membership-2014-03-05.htm

They're headed, as expected, to the ASC.

I'd love to see William Carey follow Belhaven into D3. WCU looks like it would be an ideal D3 candidate, as well as an ASC travel partner for Belhaven.
Respectfully, expanding the footprint of the ASC another 90miles (1.5 hours) east does not strike me as strengthening the ASC.

Hattiesburg to Alpine TX, 985 miles, 14 hours 16 minutes.  That is too far.

Hattiesburg to Abilene 672 miles, 9 hours 49 hours. 

(Hattiesburg MS to Chicago 828 miles.)


Gregory Sager

I was talking about William Carey in terms of being a travel partner with Belhaven, since you had made the same observation about Mississippi College back on February 17.
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2014, 08:52:53 PM
I was talking about William Carey in terms of being a travel partner with Belhaven, since you had made the same observation about Mississippi College back on February 17.
Yes, sir.  Thanks for the comment. Belhaven will take the place of Mississippi College to be the travel partner of Louisiana College.  I objected to the challenge of another 1.5 hours on the bus to get to Hattiesburg, especially from the (former) ASC-West schools.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2014, 11:37:50 PM
It's official:   Belhaven's applying for D3.   Hal Mumme is not amused ;-)

http://www.belhaven.edu/news/articles/Belhaven-University-Applies-For-NCAA-Division-III-Membership-2014-03-05.htm

They're headed, as expected, to the ASC.
Thanks for the comment.  Coach Mumme turns 62 this year.  He only stayed at SMU for one year, for whatever reason.  Maybe he is seeing the limits of his career.  Belhaven may be his last chance, but he will spend 4 years in "Provisional" status.

His contributions and the contributions of his students and proteges with the AirRaid Offense are now legendary.  I thought that Coach Mumme could have finished his career at McMurry by building a perennial winner as UMHB Coach Fredenburg has done (and Coach Jimmy Keeling at HSU did) and leave a legacy of a different nature.  Coach Mumme could have very quickly become the winningest football coach in McMurry history.  He would have joined a pantheon of coaches with true legacies. Men's Hoops Coach Herschel Kimbrell and his pupil/protege Coach Ron Holmes coached for a combined 50 years. Track Coach Barbara Crousen has the distinction of being the first and only woman to lead a men's team to an NCAA national championship (outdoor T&F in 2008 and then again in 2012!)

Ralph Turner

ASC has announced the addition of McMurry and Belhaven to the ASC in fall 2014.

Timelines to full D-3 membership have not been announced by the NCAA.

The ASC now goes to 13 members.

I have no idea what this will mean for conference scheduling.  Do they go back to the divisions for some sports, such as hoops and baseball?  (I hope so.)  Double round robin for 24 of the 25 games in basketball would be horrible!

I hope that the SCAC will accept McMurry's swimming program as an affiliate, but those are just my musings.

David Collinge

Does McMurry have to go through the transitional period thingy?

Ralph Turner

Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2014, 07:10:50 PM
Does McMurry have to go through the transitional period thingy?
I have no idea!  I do not know when they will be eligible for post season play.

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2014, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2014, 07:10:50 PM
Does McMurry have to go through the transitional period thingy?
I have no idea!  I do not know when they will be eligible for post season play.

I believe that a school leaving d3, then returning so quickly, is uncharted territory.  Perhaps a transition of just a year or two instead of four?  (Though I'm guessing that the four year period is primarily to ensure that scholarship players are gone before eligibility is given - or in this case, returns.)

Ron Boerger

McM has told their scholarship players they will be eligible for athletic scholarships for the next two years as long as they continue playing their sport, so it won't be before '16-'17.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2014, 10:09:06 PM
McM has told their scholarship players they will be eligible for athletic scholarships for the next two years as long as they continue playing their sport, so it won't be before '16-'17.
That makes them a "placeholder" for the Pool A bid for the ASC.