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Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on March 01, 2005, 04:20:50 PM
Read all the way down Marv.

So how do we think Endicott will do against W Conn?

Brice Assie is a beast (6'6" 250) and he will probably be a little more than the EC post guys can handle.  However, if Oxton and George can take over and hit the outside shot, there might be a way to keep it close.  If WConn does their homework, they will test Marinkovic defensively and I think they is the ticket to win.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Marv Albert on March 01, 2005, 04:58:23 PM
HoopsFan I was just affirming you tentative remark.
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Post by: Chewning on March 01, 2005, 05:06:14 PM
First, I must agree that the ROY award is soooo stupid. It makes no sense that Blue doesnt make all conference but gets ROY. Last year Marinkovic was ROY but was also 1st team. That makes sense.  

I'll talk about my team for a sec. ENC is losing a lot of key players this year and the shoes will be hard to fill. Their starting pointguard Will Harvey and second string point, Derick Bell, wont be back. Their best player Larry Kearney,(let team in pts, fg%, 3pt%, boards, blocks) is gone, and then Captian Edson Cardoso who was limited this year wont be back also. SO basically they have a lot to fill. Aklthough in they have a good core of guys to build on (Duda, JP, Jasmin, Christian) They'll still need a few more players. They are really missing out on a Pt guard.  

I just wanna give a shout out to my Boys.  
H, D, L, and E. I'll love you forever. It was fun, and i'll never forget all the sweat and blood we shared for all those years. Good luck in whatever it is you decide to do after Ball.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Marv Albert on March 01, 2005, 08:43:21 PM
Chewning, I know these guys are you friends, and you all went through a lot together, but after a 5-20 (4-12) record, I'm not too sure how big those shoes are to fill.  The credit goes to them for making the South more interesting towards the end of the season with some key wins, but this season was a rebuilding year at best.  Lets just hope ENC can get on the right path again so that heated ENC/GC rivalry can flurish like it had in the past.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chewning on March 01, 2005, 10:03:13 PM
Marv. I hear what you are saying but when you are a player, basketball is much more than the record.  
Sure it was time to rebuild...new coach, new style of play, new players. With that being said i just wanted to give my guys a shout.
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Post by: New England BBALL on March 02, 2005, 01:13:02 PM
I've seen Western Conn twice this year and I am quite familiar with Endicott as well...given it is the NCAA tourney and anything can happen, I believe Western Conn is a clear favorite to win rather easily.  As mentioned earlier Brice Assie is simply a manchild, the dude is strait up JACKED and will be in a league of his own athletically against EC (Evans can jump with him but thats about it).  What many people forget about Western Conn is they have multiple weapons behind Assie as well.  Kamari Crawford is one of the quickest 4 men i have seen in college basketball this year, a very very difficult match up for almost any team (6'2 but plays much bigger).  Jay Reginatto is no slouch from behind the arc, having surpased the 1000 point mark was no joke, the guy can stick and is a solid leader on the court as well.  Greg Cole is probably the 2nd best option on the team in terms of offensive production, only listed at 6'3 he looks bigger and is a very versatile scorer.  
Endicott will need to dominate the backcourt game in hopes of pulling out the W.  Oxton and Ellis I think are very capable of outplaying WCSU's backcourt of Reginatto/Gene/White.  Lots of point will need to come from the perimeter as teams find it difficult to score inside against a very athletic frontcourt of WCSU.

Keys for a Western Conn. Win-
-Keep Assie involved and out of foul trouble (it has been an issue in the past)
-Control the Defensive boards
-Guards need to keep TO's to a minimum

Keys for an EC Win-
-Win the battle of the backcourts
-40+ points from Ellis/Oxton/George
-REBOUNDS REBOUNDS REBOUNDS, EC needs to get some Offensive boards and keep WCSU from getting easy putbacks as they have been able to do so much this year.

my prediction---WCSU by 14
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on March 02, 2005, 05:05:57 PM
I think EC will keep it under ten, but then again I have been dead wrong about nearly every prediciton for EC all year... so there you go.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on March 03, 2005, 08:42:44 AM
Word is Matt George hurt his ankle yesterday and will not play tonight.  No word on Saturday, if they make it that far.  If the injury is really bad enough to keep him out of an NCAA tournament game, that doesn't bode well.  Its going to be an even steeper hill for EC tonight now.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on March 03, 2005, 08:57:12 AM
The CoSIDA Academic All-America Team (sponsored by ESPN the Magazine) was named today. In the College Division, which covers D2, D3, and NAIA schools Andrew St Clair made the third team.  A nice representation for the CCC.

CSC also beat Keene State easily in the first round of the ECAC championships.  They are the #1 seed in New England and face #4 RIC next.

CSC began the game with a 38-6, yes you read that right, 38-6 run and coasted home.  I think they might be a little miffed about not making the NCAAs after their really poor last two weeks.
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Post by: New England BBALL on March 03, 2005, 11:18:12 AM
wow Matt George hurting his ankle....de ja vu!! exact same thing happened last year at this same time! right before the Tourney game vs. Babson
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Post by: Hoops Fan on March 03, 2005, 12:15:18 PM
George may be clutch, but that ankle apparently can't handle the pressure.
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Post by: atn alum on March 03, 2005, 02:35:46 PM
Just a reminder that the Endicott/Western CT game tonight will be webcast by the NCAA using D3hoops.com personnel. http://www.d3hoops.com/audio for more information.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Roy Williams on March 03, 2005, 03:32:53 PM
this is probably a moot point now that george is out but plymouth state seemed to stay with Western Conn. And from what I know Plymouth isnt that big. Granted Polette had 60 something pts but maybe there is some hope for EC against the man child.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: New England BBALL on March 03, 2005, 03:53:58 PM
plymouth isnt that big, Andreas Pope of PSU led the LEC in rebounds this season and is only 6'1 but plays like hes 6'7 an amazing athlete, arguably one of the top athletes in the LEC.  Plymouth played some zone against WCSU and had some success with it, when assie was able to get the ball in the middle of the paint is when he became dominant, if u can keep him 8-9 feet from the basket, heck even let him face up offensively he isnt anywhere near the player he is inside.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chewning on March 03, 2005, 04:07:51 PM
in the game against W. Conn when Plymouth kept it close, Pope had 30 and Polette had 29...not 60. Budrow also had 16 off the bench.  

Endicott will have to get Oxton hot and someone else like Marankavich will have to play really big. The will also have to limit the scoring of the other players like Crawford and Cole.  Assie will do what he wants and thats it.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Josh St. Clair on March 03, 2005, 04:21:25 PM
Colby Sawyer will play Rhode Island College friday night @ 7:00 in New London.
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Post by: Stuart Scott on March 03, 2005, 08:45:08 PM
West-Conn defeats Endicott, 73-62.  Assie scored 21 points.  Reginatto had an off night but the Colonials received contribution from others.  Oxton took a lot of shots and if he had made half of them, the game would have been closer.  Marankavich had a good game scoring more than 20.  West-Conn plays WPI next.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on March 04, 2005, 11:22:37 AM
So, my prediction from November comes true, although not in the manner I had anticipated:  Colby-Sawyer is indeed the last CCC team standing... they just aren't standing for much.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Roy Williams on March 04, 2005, 01:35:01 PM
chewning, i was talking about their latest game, in the LEC play-offs. Peolette had 62 pts 13 assts. thanks.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chewning on March 04, 2005, 08:45:42 PM
i just read up on that game. That might have been the best individual game in the entire NCAA.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gchoops on March 19, 2005, 03:14:21 PM
Hey, where did everybody go??? March Madness is awesome baby!!!
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on March 21, 2005, 02:43:46 PM
d3 madness is over  The Point won again, proving they were a few rungs above everyone else.

There will probably be little action on here until October or November
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gchoops on March 21, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
well that sucks
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Doc Hoops on March 22, 2005, 02:24:32 PM
anyone have any news on who will get the open coaching jobs in the CCC?
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Mike Wilson on March 22, 2005, 05:40:22 PM
what coaching jobs are open?
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: New England BBALL on March 26, 2005, 04:59:01 PM
Endicott
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mustang23 on March 26, 2005, 11:14:48 PM
where did the endicott coach go?
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: New England BBALL on March 27, 2005, 04:51:59 PM
he resigned
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Post by: mustang23 on March 27, 2005, 08:59:40 PM
how come wasnt it his first year at the helm??
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: New England BBALL on April 15, 2005, 09:51:22 PM
it was his 3rd i believe winning 2 conference championships and multiple COY awards as well...

Endicott has already annoucned the new coach...some assistant from Brandeis
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on May 04, 2005, 09:47:59 AM
I know a rare summer post for me, but here's the scoop on the new guy at EC.

Chris Millette, former Brandeis and Tufts assistant, apparently a hugely successful recruiter.  He was instrumental in bringing in that top freshmen class at Brandeis.  There's no word about his style or his game management, but the sidelines were never Plansky's strongsuit anyway.  Millette is only 28 years old, he's also spent time at UC-San Diego.


Plansky left to be Athletic Director at Marblehead High.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on May 10, 2005, 03:58:41 PM
d3hoops is reporting and I've got some other confirmation that Wentworth landed Connecticut 1st team all-state PG Todd Doyle.  For a program like WIT, this is a big deal.  We'll see how he fits, maybe they can move P-B to the 2 spot where his lack of assists won't be such a liability.  It's still really early though, who knows who will be on the roster in November.
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Post by: New England BBALL on June 24, 2005, 09:10:28 PM
looks like roger williams got themselves a great player for next year, Conrad Griffin one of the top players in Maine has apparently decided to go to RWU, this kid is extremely talented, turned down DII offers extending 1/2 way down the east coast (all the way to virginia).  a top 5 talent coming out of Maine, should make an immediate impact in the CCC and become a star by his 2nd year.  at 6'2-6'3 with exceptional leaping ability and great range, an ideal D3 swingman, what a steal for RWU
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Post by: mustang23 on June 25, 2005, 10:27:19 AM
How come RWU's PG Steve Morris never played. I have seen him play and he is an outstanding passer and can score and seems like a good kid.
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Post by: Hoops Fan on July 14, 2005, 09:56:50 AM
As far as I know this summer, the EC job was the only one that came open and was filled by Brandeis' top recruiter.  I haven't heard of any others coming open in the CCC.

As far as recruits go, I've heard a lot of good things about what Wentworth is doing, but then again, the big boys like to keep things quiet until the season actually begins.

This off-season just feels longer and longer every year, but thankfully Pat is keeping us in the loop now with the Daily Dose.

I'll see you all for real come November.
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Post by: Hoops Fan on August 09, 2005, 11:35:17 AM
Gordon and Wentworth have their 2005-2006 schedules out.  I expected Wentworth to keep with their weak non-conference schedule.  They might have done some of their best recruiting in a long time, but they do not want to be playing quality teams with their freshmen just yet.

Gordon, on the other hand, should have scheduled up to benefit from the expanded NCAA Tournament.  If two teams in the CCC can have seasons like EC and CSC last year, I would expect we could get an at large bid this season.  I don't think Gordon has a shot at any decent post-season action with the schedule they have rolled out.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoops Fan on August 09, 2005, 11:44:59 AM
I forgot to mention, ENC has a schedule up on their site, not a whole lot different than their traditional non-conference opponents, but they've been know to switch things up pretty dramatically between August and November.

NEC's posted sched looks pretty similar to 2004's with another trip to Bard.

RWU doesn't have a non-conference game scheduled after January 4th, but as usual, they have loaded their early season.  They got into the Brandeis tip-off tournament and scheduled Wheaton and WPI who will both be pretty good regionally.

Salve has dropped their non-conference schedule down a few notches, but its still better than most of the CCC and probably more fitting to their team that last year's walk of death.

No one else has any indication of schedule as of yet and we won't even sniff a roster until the first of November, most likely.

I hope this small amount of info can tide you all over until school starts again in full swing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on August 16, 2005, 11:18:06 AM
I don't have any information new recruits but with the returning cast minus one senior from last year, I think Gordon will put up a good fight.  They performed well in China this summer.  Hopefully the experience will allow their team game to take a big step forward this year.  We will see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 16, 2005, 01:12:23 PM
I think I'll wait until I see all the rosters and returners to make judgements, but GC is usually pretty good about not having guys bail on them.  Certainly they should be better than next year, so long as everyone comes back.

One thing I've learned though, watching the CCC for all these years, is that even if a team gets better, there's no guarantee they do better the next year.  Talent in this league comes in waves and you never see it coming until it hits you.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 16, 2005, 04:59:33 PM
Not to confuse you faithful western posters.  We're still from New England, Pat just misplaced us in the move.  I don't mind.  It keeps us humble.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 17, 2005, 03:03:04 PM
Ah... back where we belong.   Thanks Pat.  I really do like the new system.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on September 08, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
 have not seen who has got what for new people but csc will stiil be there but they need to fill in condon's spot.they still have the bench but lack of burke.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 14, 2005, 11:38:38 AM
Obviously, things may change when we see rosters, but I have to believe CSC has got the strongest team going into the season.  They return the best talent with experience and chemistry.  It will be interesting to see if EC's new coach brought some impact recruits with him.  Brandeis' roster was pretty packed, so I'm sure he had some good leads on guys who didn't make the short list at his old school.  There will be a lot of questions about returning underclassmen, a lot of sophomores who put up good numbers last year.  I think the CCC is ready to make a bigger impact on the region, again, assuming they don't get killed with unexpected roster changes this fall.
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Post by: broke_ya_ankles on September 14, 2005, 03:32:29 PM
I think i mentioned it before but ill say it one more time just to be sure....roger williams will in my opinion be the suprise team this year, they had a solid season last year, certainly nothing spectacular but with Parrish back for his JR season, Gumb coming off a fantastic freshmen campaign and at least 1 very very solid recruit who turned down DII offers to go to RWU.....this team will be in the mix of it, and unless endicott has some serious tricks up their sleaves RWU will likely give them a run for their money in the matchups as well as being in the thick of it with Gordon, the only team i think that has a clear advantage is CSC they should run away with it this year, endicott lost a lot and its tough to see how the new coach will fit with the players.....from there i dunno NEC might continue to improve as mason is a great coach, but they shouldnt be any better than top of the bottom half.....UNE will again likely be terrible they are a joke....thats all i really know about, figured id throw some discussion out there......OCT 15 is only weeks away!
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Post by: akirk on September 16, 2005, 08:09:15 AM
Hey does anyone have info on new players this year?
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Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 16, 2005, 05:15:18 PM
One, UNE was better last year then they have been in a while, sad but true.

We were saying the same thing about CSC last year, that they would run away with things.  As talented as this senior class is, they always seem to have a way of not quite making it to expectations.  St Clair is one of the better players this conference has ever seen, but it just seems like winning is not a life or death issue for him.

I know john may have something to say about that, so I want to clarify.  Andrew is a competitor.  I've seen him battle through the muggings and the triple teams.  I'm not taking away from his drive or determination.  I know he's worked his butt of for many years to get here.  I think he just understands that this is college ball and that it's supposed to be fun.  He's got the right attitude, especially for a d-III athlete.  He's giving his all and he's disappointed with losses, but he knows that tomorrow is no different with the outcome.  Could he get better results with an all-or-nothing attitude, sure, but I think he's better off in the long run with the mindset he has.  Lots of credit to john on that one.

All that being said,  St Clair is a shoo in for another POY and CSC should be the cream of the crop again.  With their schedule and the expanded national tourney, even a CCC championship loss could get them in.

RWU will be good; I agree with you on that one.  I don't want to get into too many details before I see rosters and some early game scores.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on September 19, 2005, 04:55:53 PM
re hoops fan.......... andrew st. clair has never been a flashy player and never will. what he will do is get the job done the best that he can.i know what you are talking about when you menetion that certain thing that some players have and i agree with you. also i do think he can get player of the year again but i think i am more proud of him then most other people..............  john
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 20, 2005, 09:53:09 AM
I did my best to say what I thought without giving any disrespect, which I don't want to do.  It just seems, from my observations, that when kids take the game too seriously they are able to summon something extra to play above their talent level.  Andrew St Clair is one of the best players I've seen in the CCC in a long time, but he doesn't have that over-committed killer instinct you sometimes see in players.  I was just commenting that it is a great thing to be missing that.  Perhaps if a player were going pro, that would be necessary, but in Division three ball, Andrew seems to typify what a player should be, talented, hard-working and committed, but he has an uncanny ability to understand his situation and limitations.  I'm not a CSC fan by any means, but I think in this last year we need to say something about the contribution he's made to his team and the overall profile of the league.

OK, let's get to the games, so we can stop with all this sentimental crap.
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Post by: CCC Fan on September 21, 2005, 12:07:26 PM
CSC did lose Condon and Putnam (half way though last year).  Thorpe will have to be a real presence and they will need some new faces before CSC runs away with anything. 
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Post by: CCC Fan on September 23, 2005, 10:16:33 AM
CSC has a schedule up.  Nothing too different.  They open at the Keene State tourney and also have the Springfield tourney this year.
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Post by: Trueball38 on September 24, 2005, 06:51:00 PM
While everyone is talking about CSC, EC, GC what about Curry.  They still have there starters coming back and then some they have a nice class of freshmans coming in this season.  Plus Lamb is still there, and his presence is enough, but you also have James Bartelle who is one of the most under rated players right now in D3 basketball with that beautiful jump shot, and there's Tim Jones an outstanding guard, Micheal Morhin who lead them in scoring last season.  Those are four unbeliveable players that are ready to claim the CCC for themselves.  Malcom Wynn is ready for this season I just hope these other teams are ready for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 29, 2005, 03:28:27 PM
I think I spent enough time hyping Wynn and the Colonels last season only to be frustrated by the fact that they only have four players on the team.  sure they can beat half the league with those four guys, but the were consistantly inconsistant and utterly disappointing to me.  Sure they bring back a solid team, but they seemed to be better coming in to last year.  Lesson one in the CCC is don't get your hopes up until mid-January.  They'll probably be right in there at the top of the South, but I don't think they deserve too much hype, not until they earn it.  Wynn is a fantastic coach (strange that he would move from a high profile JUCO job to the CCC, must be good money) but he has to combat a long history of lax discipline and low committment to basketball at CC.  They are moving in the right direction, but again, I can't give them too much hype before they've earned it.
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Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 29, 2005, 03:44:25 PM
I know its still very early, but that CSC schedule could be amazing for them this year.  They get Brandeis at home, which will be key, especially since I expect Brandeis to break out for a pretty good record this year.  They also get the chance to play in a tournament with Springfield, Bates, and Trinity (TX).  Two wins puts them on the national radar, especially if they take the tourney, which I do not think is beyond their ability.  They only have 4 non-conference games on the sched right now, so I expect a few more to be added.  If they return the top five from last year (St. Clair, Thorpe, Kenny, Bray and Fournier) they will be tough.

Similarly, Endicott's schedule is fierce.  If they can perform well it will certainly merit some regional ranking, but opening at Amherst with games against Bates and WPI, they will certainly be tested.

Curry has similarly tried to dial up the non-conference sched, as has UNE (although not much).  ENC, Gordon and Wentworth have all gone easy with their non-conference, with good reason for most cases.

No one else has posted schedules yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 03, 2005, 11:08:30 AM

Any early word on how freshmen look in pick-up games?  I heard ENC is going to be all-freshmen yet again.  They expect five returners from last year's squad and possibly 9 freshmen on the roster.  Word I have is that "they will be better than last year for sure" not that that says a whole lot, but it could be something.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: areahoopsfan on October 03, 2005, 01:22:00 PM
Thanks to Hoops Fan for keeping the room active with some good leading questions...

In terms of posted schedules, the CCC is really looking to step up to many challenges.  Endicott, Curry, and CSC are all playing tough non league slates.  So is RWU (Conn, Lasell, Brandeis, WPI).  I even think WIT's is very challenging (Coast Guard, RPI, Marymount, and Farmington who is traditionally solid).

Maybe with these schedules, the CCC can surpass a league like the NEWMAC in terms of consistent strength.

I wouldn't be surprised if UNE is vastly improved.  They have a number of seniors who have played significant minutes (McManus, Regis) as well as solid players in Farynaz and Oliver.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 03, 2005, 05:58:20 PM

Wentworth is making a consciencious effort to improve the level of their program.  I like that.  NEC is doing it as well, although with miuch less success.  Overall, I think the CCC has come a long way in the last five years even.  Back then CSC was the only team that remotely scared anybody and even then it wasn't much.  Now Endicott has become a regional presence, RWU and SRU are using their money to actually recruit actively, Curry got probably the best coach in New England who would actually be willing to change jobs.  I think the CCC has passed the MASCAC and is on par with the LEC, nipping at the heels of the NEWMAC.  I don't think the NESCAC will ever be topped in terms of basketball in New England.

A lot of problems people have in measuring the CCC against other regional conferences is with the numbers.  If you try to measure top to bottom against the NEWMAC it doesn't work.  The CCC has 12 teams.  I measure success by how the top 3 or 4 teams in each conference do against the other major conferences.   CSC has, over the last couple years, played Amherst very tough.  EC and CSC are now competing against the best teams in the LEC and NEWMAC and seem to be evenly matched.  THe lower teams are harder to judge.  What I like to use is the scheduling they commit to.  WIT has scheduled tougher opponents this year because they have a good recruiting class and they want to improve the program.  That is a good sign for me.  however, if they lose all their non-conference games by double digits, a tough schedule means crap.  I like a school that knows its team well enough to schedule accordingly.  NEC schedules low because they've had low expectations.  A good year last year coupled with another one this year (good by their standards) should mean an improved non-con next season.  I judge leagues on a progression.  By that standard the CCC is definately moving up the ranks.

Sorry I took so much space, but we'll have plenty of time to discuss it more throughout the year.  It just seems that with the schedule being the determining factor in post-season play for at large bids, that it should be the measure by which teams and conferences are judged.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mustang23 on October 03, 2005, 10:52:07 PM
I have to disagree. I believe the conference order goes like this.....Nescac, Newmac, LEC, Mascac....

The newmac is obviously the favorite. The only league i see competing with them is possibly Brandeis' leauge. The Newmac is good, but also has its weak teams. I think the LEC is slowly moving up and can be second with a couple more years. And the Mascac is next. If you look at head to head matchups i would say the Mascac is better than the csc. However the mascac only has like 6 or 7 teams so it can look like it is not as good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 04, 2005, 09:11:52 AM

I don't really disagree with your order at all.  I would put the CCC over the MASCAC, however, certainly the worst teams in the MASCAC are better than the worst teams in the CCC, but again that is because of the extra teams in the CCC.  However, Salem State is the only legitimate regional contender in the MASCAC.  They routinely beat Salve and Gordon by ten points, which puts them ahead of the middle class in the CCC, but the schedule they play and the losses they get each year, put them even with or behind CSC and EC.  Salem State is the best the MASCAC has to offer and there is quite a drop off after that.  I can't justify having the MASCAC ahead of the CCC. 

The LEC has five teams that can be powers in any given year, with that sort of solid consistency, they deserve to be even with or above the CCC.  This is the comparison that draws problems for me.  Obviously, CSC and EC took care of the top two teams in the LEC last year in the post-season.  They have also had success over Plymouth and Keene in recent years.  To me that signifies that the top of the CCC is above the top of the LEC, however, WConn, RIC, Keene and Plymouth all routinely top the rest of the CCC.  The bottom of the CCC is well below the bottom of the LEC.  To me that means they are reletively even matched, although things could go wither way.

The NEWMAC has a good history of being the undisputed #2 in New England.  WIT and Springfield both had good years last year to keep the reputation high.  Springfield has Curry and CSC on the schedule this year, so we will get a good idea of their placement.  WIT has no CCC team on the schedule, but they should be superior to all but the absolute top of the CCC (it would be an upset in CSC were to beat them in the playoffs this year, although not much of one).

So there are the numbers as I see them.  NESCAC and NEWMAC on top, LEC and CCC flighting for 3rd (something that will have to hold up over several seasons to make me a believer) and the MASCAC fourth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 04, 2005, 11:32:24 AM

Did you see the Springfield tournament field this year?  Bates, Springfield, Colby-Sawyer and Trinity (TX).  That's the closest thing to "Bracket Buster" I've seen in D3.  It could be a big deal for Bates and CSC if they do well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: areahoopsfan on October 04, 2005, 11:58:46 AM
Hoops Fan, I agree with your assessment of the MASCAC and the CCC.  However, the cold numbers from last year tell us differently:

The CCC was 2-8 against the MASCAC last year with the two CCC wins coming from Nichols and Wentworth.

So the bottom teams of the CCC were the ones that had success which kind of throws your theory about the MASCAC's bottom being better than the CCC's bottom. 

Personally, I think last year's numbers were a fluke.  I think the CCC is a stronger conference because they don't possess the drop off the MASCAC does after their top teams:  Teams like Salve can beat a Curry but Worcester State and Bridgewater still get swept by Salem.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 04, 2005, 04:57:00 PM

The MASCAC didn't play the top teams in the CCC last year.  The only way a head-to-head conference comparison works is if all the teams from both sides are involved.  As it happens, the second tier of the CCC (Gordon, Curry, Salve, etc) play the MASCAC teams because they provide a tough, but winable game.  EC and CSC rarely, if ever schedule the MASCAC, because they are trying to increase the exposure and SOSI of their programs.  EC schedules Salem because they are still close by and usually a solid squad, but I don't give any cred to head-to-head conference comparisons without some measure of incusiveness of schools.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on October 06, 2005, 12:02:23 PM
When are teams able to officially start practices?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on October 06, 2005, 03:11:56 PM
october 15
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 06, 2005, 03:12:30 PM
According to D-III Bylaw 17.5.2.1, its October 15th.  I guess that's yet another place where D-III gets the rub.  D-I schools get to start at 7pm on the Friday closest to the 15th, presumably so they can make some money with a Friday night Midnight Madness.

This year the 15th is a Saturday, so the D-III schools only have to wait five extra hours.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 07, 2005, 09:09:57 AM

Rumor time:

Word has it that Raheim Lamb only has one semester of elligiability left, so he's not playing until January; not that Currey ever shows up until after New Year's, but its something to think about.

CSC is supposed to have another bumper crop of first year guards coming in, which only provides them depth at their deepest position.  I'm waiting to hear word of a third forward in case St Clair or Thorpe gets in foul trouble; there's quite a drop of after the first two big bodies up front.

I reported a while ago about Todd Doyle at WIT.  He's coming in as one of the top PGs from Connecticut and will probably start this year, moving the immortal PB & J over to his natural 2-guard spot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Popsman on October 11, 2005, 03:41:30 PM
The first message on page one of this board is dated in March 2005.   Is there any way to view messages from last season?   Sept 04 - March 05

or did this board just start in March 05?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2005, 09:04:20 PM
The posts you see are all there are.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on October 12, 2005, 04:13:58 PM
However, no the board did not start in March.  There have been people talking CCC for awhile.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 13, 2005, 04:06:38 PM

The archive only lasts a certain number of pages.  The CCIW board, which can cycle through their limit in a matter of minutes on game night, has had an off-site archive of their board, or at least attempted to.  I think for the most part, with the CCC board, its better to forget what's been said, especially 12 months ago.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2005, 02:38:26 AM
No longer true under the new system. This can go ... well, theoretically indefinitely. We'll see how long we let it roll.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 17, 2005, 10:29:48 AM

Sweet, well that's nice to know.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 17, 2005, 01:28:28 PM
No rosters yet in the CCC.  I've seen some official rosters up across d3, but apparently our coaches haven't made their final cuts yet, or else the IT people are slow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on October 18, 2005, 12:13:35 PM
Gordon has posted their roster on their website.
I don't know how offical it is but there are a number of new people on the list.

http://www.gordon.edu/athletics/roster.cfm?iSeasonID=121&iPlayerID=395
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 18, 2005, 12:21:42 PM

GC's got three freshmen guards listed.  Some of the Sophomore names are unfamiliar to me, but that doesn't mean they weren't on the team last year.  GC doesn't have any old rosters up on their set to check.  It looks like they have about the same team as last year with an extra year of experience.

akirk, did you catch midnight madness?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 18, 2005, 12:26:11 PM

OK I found an old box score, it looks like they have two new guys up front, Snyder is a Junior, 6'6" and Marino is a Sophomore 6'7".  So if these guys are any good, GC might have helped improve one of their weak spots from last season, or at least they have more security for Herr and Marstaller getting in foul trouble.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 18, 2005, 12:31:06 PM

Sorry for the multiple posts.  I thought I would check to see if any other rosters are up yet.

AMC has their returners up, but no freshmen, although with Anna Maria, you never know if they brought in any freshmen or not anyway.  I suspect they will add at least a few names.

That's it for now... I really just wanted to get in my first pot-shot on AMC this season.  Everybody needs practice you know.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: incite3 on October 18, 2005, 02:29:42 PM
I'm new to this whole posting thing, but since moving away from the area I need  to keep in touch.  All you guys do a great job with the info.  Responding to the Anna Maria post by hoopsfan, they do have one freshmen by the name of Tom Henderson.  He's 6'8", 6'9".  Good offensive skills.  Needs to put on a little weight, but should help their inside game.  Another note:  As I understand Matt McCarthy, last year's Freshmen center has left AMC, so I dont know why he is still on the roster.  Regardless, Henderson should be an upgrade.  There are some other freshmen, but I dont have any info on them, to the point where who knows if they'll even make the team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 18, 2005, 02:48:29 PM
Awesome, someone who knows about Anna Maria!

Maybe we won't have to wait ten days to get scores anymore.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on October 19, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
No, I didn't get to Midnight madness.  Since graduating a couple years ago, I don't have as much time.  One other note:  Marino was on the team last year but with limited minutes.  With a little more muscle and a year of the system under his belt, he should be much better.  I am curious to see how GC plays this year.  They traveled this summer as a team to (I think) Taiwan for a missions trip.  This should help them come together as a team quicker than in years past.  We will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2005, 09:53:07 AM

Still no new rosters up... we still only have GC's and part of AMC's.  ENC took off their 04-05 roster, but hasn't put a new one up yet.


Do we have word on preseason scrimmages yet?

I know EC's new coach got them a scrimmage against his old team, Brandeis.  The Judges have that amazing freshmen class who are now all sophomores back.  I bet this will be one heck of a scrimmage and definately let us know what EC needs to work on.

Any EC posters out there know time or date of this one?  Any of you planning to be there?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on October 26, 2005, 05:23:13 PM
RWU has three good freshman recruits. They picked up a point guard and two swing men. The team is still really young. Only one senior, Chris Cromier, three juniors and last years recruits, Camabreco, Gumb and Baranger.

I think the only team in the South that is going to give them problems is Curry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on October 26, 2005, 11:41:13 PM
I know of one of the swingmen recruits for RWU, he's likely their top recruit, Griffin....kid turned down some DII offers and should be ready to contribute immediately
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 27, 2005, 12:57:42 PM

Yeah Curry and RWU seem to be the cream of the South, but you never know who might pop up as a suprise, especially in the South.  Salve should have been good last year, but they might have underacheived more than anyone... who knows if they can put anything together.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 27, 2005, 01:09:17 PM

Nichols got their 2005-2006 page up, but no roster yet.

We do, however, have a roster from UNE: they have six FY's, one 6'7" another 6'4", another post player, a couple of guards.  McManus, Farynaz and Oliver are back.  I don't see Tom Button anywhere, but I don't remember who the seniors were last season anyway.  If the big freshman is any good they could start 6'7", 6'6" inside which might help open up their shooters.  I don't know what to make of them yet, its early and its UNE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on October 27, 2005, 02:22:37 PM
As far as DII recruits go both Gumb and Baranger were also DII recruits so that is pretty impressive.

When I saw UNE last year I was very impressed with their shooters. It seemed that they just kept coming off the bench one after the other. The missing pieceb was in the forward slots so if these new forwards are any good UNE is going to be dangerous.

Salve had a very good team last year. I think they feel it was their year and RWU stole it from them. They have a great coach who prepares his team with the individual matchups to be in every game. I would never underestimate them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: incite3 on October 31, 2005, 02:54:14 PM
I know everyone was looking foward to this Anna Maria update so here it is.  I don't have a final score but AMC had a scrimmage against Albertus Magnus and they crushed them.  From what I can remeber Albertus isn't that good, so I'm taking it for what it is.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2005, 05:45:09 PM

Albertus Magnus is more than horrible.  They were one of the worst teams in the country last year.  Although a crushing of anybody, even the local Junior High School would be a good sign for AMC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NECCAlumni on November 02, 2005, 11:36:29 AM
In all honesty, I can't see CSC not winning it all. Now, it is early, but they MUST be considered the cream of the crop. Who else are the legitimate contenders for the CCC? Who will challenge CSC at the top?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 02, 2005, 12:12:46 PM
RWU is certainly a major contender! They went into the Championship game last year. They have everyone returning, last years freshman (Gumb, Barranger and Camebreco) all have a season under their belts. On top of that they have at least three very good recruits who can all shoot from the outside. Their problem last year was if Cromier or Gumb were not in the game they didn't have enough guns. That won't be their problem this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 02, 2005, 12:22:02 PM
in the past few years its been EC/CSC with everyone else chasing but Gordon and RWU the closest, now I think it looks more like CSC as the favorite ahead of RWU followed by Gordon and then EC...unless EC has some immediate freshmen/transfer help because they wont be able to win 20+ games again with the only options being George/Ellis/Nemanja....Sully could really break out this year but thats a long shot cause the mins are likely not their again....we'll see how this new coach works...there is no clear strength for this years gulls' team
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 02, 2005, 12:25:19 PM
CSC should have been the hands-down winner the last three seasons as well; they have yet to dominate in the way their talent suggests they can.  I think CSC is a top team, not only in the CCC, but in the NorthEast region, however, they have underacheived every time I try to make a case for them.

RWU is a solid squad, although they were inconsistent most of the year until finally coming together for the playoff run.  Gordon should be improved and EC has plenty of talent if they can figure out their chemistry after the loss of two key floor leaders.

The best case scenario for the conference, with the expanded NCAA tournament, is for CSC to run the table and lose the championship game.  With a similar overall record to last season, CSC should be a lock for one of the Pool C spots.  I'm not sure any other CCC team has the ability to really make the most of their non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 02, 2005, 12:33:25 PM

ENC put their roster up, being one of the first, which is, in itself, a first.  Nevermind:

They have nine freshmen and one transfer on the list with only five returning players.  Jasmin who was a solid contributor, but not a major scoring option last year, Corey who had some good shooting games, but prone to streaks, and Marcellus who was the skinny flier.  Certainly the ENC squad will be totally different this season.  They have brought in some size, so maybe their weapon will be depth.  Coach Zink will have less distraction this year and a totally new crop of guys to seel his system to.  That seems to have been ENC's downfall during Zink's tenure, he's got a hard-nosed defensive style with lots of ball movement and he's (up until now) brought in exclusively streeballers who want to run and improvise.  If he can get a good group of talented guys to buy in, they may have a program.  We'll see how that goes.

I haven't seen any other new rosters yet.  I covered GC and UNE earlier.  I expect CSC and EC's rosters will come soon.  The RI schools are generally slow in getting info out early in the year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 02, 2005, 06:37:58 PM
another to add to Colby-Sawyer...

rumor has it Tyler Putnam will be playing again this year....this makes this team even MORE talented with more expectations....now St. Clair, Brey, Putnam, Kenny, Thorpe, etc.  ++++ you know Foti brought in some solid freshmen that there always seems to be at least one that is ready to play right away and this team is as good as its ever been.....lets just hope theres no kind of an excuse this year and they go out and get done what they are capable of
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2005, 10:30:38 AM

If Putnam is back, that makes a huge difference.  CSC struggled early on last year because Putnam was basically dead weight.  Obviously there were other problems going on that forced his leaving the team.  If he is back and on form, that gives them Three starting forwards, for their two spots (we all know they'll be a three guard team all season), which gives them the depth that was worrying me a little.  They have talent on the bench, but not much experience in the front court.

One question, will he be Tyler again this year or is he sticking with TJ for good?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on November 04, 2005, 07:21:59 PM
the rumor about putnam at  csc is not true..............
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on November 05, 2005, 03:45:44 PM
well I was at Curry's last srimmage against D2 powerhouse Franklin Pierce, and let me say this D3 is in trouble.  even though they lost by 4pts they played extremely well without Raheim Lamb, and their other guard Tim Jones who broke his foot during the game.  For them to take it to a team like that shows just exactly what is to come out of them this year.  They have a 6'9 freshman, and an 6'5 freshman who's built like a tight end and sets massive screens.  As for the Returners for Curry Michael Mohrin was on fire the second half keeping Curry in the game, and James Bartelle who came off the bench and was a last year starter caused so much trouble with that deadly outside shot of his had franklin Pierce's coach subbing in and out just to try and contain him.  Steve Prescod had a decent game as Marcus Jones, but they had another freshman point guard out there that was very solid and takes it to the hoop strong.  All I can say is The CCC is no match for them this year for what I can see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 05, 2005, 06:15:38 PM
sounds like they played well.....but its still only 1 game...curry's biggest problem is they beat themselves and with jones breaking his foot you say? thats gonna be a big blow, so i wouldnt put too high of expectations on them...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 05, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
gordon college and their backcourt are going to step it up this year. i expect big things from the GC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on November 06, 2005, 09:32:39 AM
I hear you broke but, with Jones out that means the diamond in the rough gets to shine and who I mean is Bartelle he gets no credit to what he does. He was overlooked last year in making the all conference teams.  People who didn't have a good of a season as he did made it and I really think that he's underated.  Trust me he has all the tools to be a great player, and talking to other College coaches say they fear him more then anybody else on the court because when he on you might as well call it a day.  Curry has a solid team this year and I expect all lot but who knows it's early.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackemup35 on November 07, 2005, 10:11:41 AM
Speaking of scrimmages.....I was at ENC's scrimmage on Saturday.  Ooooohhhh boy are they in for a long year.  Suffolk beat them by 30.  UGLY.   No shooters and a lot of turnovers.  I know it's early, but I have trouble seeing them compete against anyone in the conference (maybe Anna Mazria)?  After watching ENC play for the last 2 years, I have to say that this is there worst team yet.  It was like men versus boys watching them play Suffolk.  Very disappointing.
Anyone esle see any other scrims this week?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2005, 12:56:38 PM

Well ENC is fielding 9 freshmen, I can't imagine they thought they would be improved.

Putnam's rumor was the only lively thing on the board so far, too bad its not true.

Curry has always had the talent there.  It will be interesting to see how they come together.  I'm sure their recruiting is picked up.  Wynn is certainly a great coach and recruiter, but its a long season and Curry needs to prove themself for the long haul.

We've got a new roster up from WIT.  Doyle, the PG recruit from Conn is confirmed.  From everything I've read and heard about him, he could be very good (and actually get assists, unlike PB & J).  They've got 7 freshmen on the roster, a couple of big bodies, but they'll have to be really good to make up for what was lost.  WIT has a solid base for the future, but I'm not sure if they'll compete for the #4 spot in the north just yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2005, 01:05:41 PM

I haven't seen a preseason poll yet, but I think I'm willing to take a shot at it:

North
1. CSC
2. EC
3. GC
4. UNE
5. WIT
6. NEC

South
1. RWU
2. CC
3. SRU
4. NC
5. AMC
6. ENC

I'm not sure if GC has enough to get over EC, although it wouldn't suprise me in the least.  Also, NEC might be better if they brought everybody back, but they haven't done that in quite a few years, so I'll stick them in the basement for now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 08, 2005, 08:25:34 AM
Hoops Fan,

I think you have hit the preseason poll accurately.  The only change I would have is to switch GC and EC and I will tell you why.  Not only do they have a new coach but if I am correct they lost a few seniors that contributed a lot to offense and team defense.  I am sure they will be there in the end but factoring in the changes in the off season, I would have to drop them down a spot.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on November 08, 2005, 02:47:32 PM
Curry sounds like they will have a good squad this yr, but lets not get to far ahead of ourselves in saying that the rest of the CCC is in trouble.  Not having Lamb and Jones for at least the first semester will hurt, and Curry always seems to have some issues with returning the entire team after the break.  But if Lamb comes back and they keep the team together, I think they will turn some heads.

I still think CSC is still the team to beat...on paper at least.  GC should be able to chellenge EC for #2 in the north and could have a shot at CSC it they start firing on all cylinders.  Hopefully GC can establish a big post prescence this yr...It can be tough to stay consistant when you really heavily on the 3pt shot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 08, 2005, 03:29:45 PM
gordon won by a pretty big margin in their scrimmage. and that was without their two senior soccer athletes. their freshman class last year just looks alot sharper this year. but we're really just going to have to wait under december sixth to see if they're really better than ec.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 08, 2005, 03:35:21 PM
I think EC is such an unknown quantity until they get some games under their belt.  I'll be interested in a report from their scrimmage with Brandeis.  They lost key leadership from a team that depended on leadership pretty heavily.  They lost a true PG and replaced him with a capable player, but not a true PG.  The new coach, from everything I've seen and heard, will do nothing but help them.  Plansky's system wasn't all that complicated, so learning a new system won't be hard.  I put them at #2 just because of history.  They retain most of their strengths from last season and they are a year older.  Gordon never proved to me that they could defend truly great post players, and although I think they will have that problem solved this year, I go by the rule: don't count on it until you see it.  I think that battle for #2 in the North will be fun to watch and I certainly can see GC getting it.  They certainly lost less, but how that translates to the floor is a different story.  They still have to play Marinkovic twice and he tore them up last year.  Not to mention a couple of games with Thorpe and St Clair coming at them as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 09, 2005, 08:26:22 AM
Looking back at the box scores from the two EC - GC games last year brings up an interesting point.

Marinkovic scored 23 in a game that only came down to 3 points but in the second meeting he only scored 16 points which translated into a 15 point loss.

I dont think Marinkovic is the problem.  I would rather have him go off with a couple dozen points and limit the rest on EC production.  He is a good player but there is no way he can be the only one contibuting for EC to win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 09, 2005, 02:59:52 PM
well EC just put their roster up, looks like 2 of last years freshmen arent there.....Cam Twiss and Jon Devito, not really sure if its any big loses....they've got 6 new freshmen
   Brandon Diaz   5-8/180      FR   
   JM Ramsey   5-10/165      FR   Penn Yen, NH (Penn Yan Academy)
   Francis Mayi   6-4/190      FR   Lawrence, MA (Lawrence High School)
   Ross Stewart   6-2/190      FR   Palm Harbor, FL (East Lake High School)
   Joe Sheehan   6-4/200      FR   Marshfield, MA (Boston College High School)
   Joe Burgos   6-4/200      FR   Lawrence, MA (Lawrence High School)

a frew 6'4 guys but no real threat in terms of size I know nothing of the newbies credentials but ill see what i can dig up.....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 10, 2005, 12:33:10 AM
if gordon can rebound the ball this year, it is going to come down to them and csc. and they were able to limit st. claire last year. i'm just putting that out there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2005, 08:41:44 AM

St. Clair was named as the Center on the Third Team of d3hoops.com's Preseason All-America squad.  That's quite an honor.  It means that whoever decides on the team thinks he's the third best center in the country, even though he's really a power forward.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2005, 08:49:04 AM

Curry has their roster up: They've got the big five back from last year.  Lamb is on it, but all indications are that he will be sitting out the fall semester.  They've got two huge freshmen, Michael Weaving listed at 6-5, 255 and Robel Ghebremichael at 6-9, 270.  Even if these guys are giant stiffs, they probably will contribute some good rebounding off the bench.  Sophomore Jacoc Choate (6-4, 230) is also a newcomer.  They add Jordan Zukowski (6-4, from Weymouth) and a couple of guards.  It appears that Wynn is planning to win with some big bodies; I would love to get a chance to see this team play early in the season; there seems to be a lot of potential there.  I thought last year's Curry team could have won it all if they had had more than five players.  Very interesting development.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 11, 2005, 01:44:32 PM
GC is having their annual Midnight Madness rally tonight.  Oddly enough it starts at 10 pm, but thats besides the point.  This will be a first look at a team that many have picked to finish #2 in the conference.  With contests such as the 3 point Shoot Out and the Slam Dunk Contest, fans and critics alike will get some form of insight into the athleticism and offense capabilities of this young squad.  While this rally is for sheer entertainment and monitory reasons, there is still some information people can take away from it.  I'll be sure to keep everyone updated on tonights happenings.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 11, 2005, 03:43:05 PM
CSC has their roster up.  Eight newcomers including two more transfers from NHTI.  A couple new guards but plenty of big men.  Anyone have any news on these guys? 

3 Matt Lemieux Fr. 5-8 155 G Manchester, N.H./Central 
12 Nate Truncellito Jr. 6-2 190 G Manchester, N.H./Central/NHTI 
24 Ryan Murray Fr. 6-3 230 F Killingworth, Conn./Haddam-Killingworth
31 Pat McKinnon Fr. 6-1 195 G Goffstown, N.H./Bishop Brady 
32 Andrew Cousins Fr. 6-4 181 F Portland, Maine/South Portland 
44 Duncan Szeliga Fr. 6-5 230 F/C Newmarket, N.H./Newmarket
45 Andrew Burnell Fr. 6-4 220 F/C Biddeford, Maine/Biddeford
50 Matt Spanos Jr. 6-6 210 F Newport, N.H./Newport/NHTI
Title: Preseason Poll
Post by: roy_williams on November 11, 2005, 08:01:11 PM
CCC North

1. Colby-Sawyer [11] ..............71
2. Gordon ............................. 55
3. Endicott [1] ....................... 52
4. Wentworth Inst. ................. 26
5. UNE ................................. 24
6. New England ..................... 22
 
CCC South

1. Curry [6] ............................ 66
2. Roger Williams [6] ............... 64
3. Salve Regina ....................... 49
4. Nichols ............................... 35
t-5. Anna Maria ........................ 19
t-5. Eastern Nazarene ............... 19



pretty standard...will be interesting to see if Gordon can finally climb the hump into the top 2 of the North. Also considering you cant vote for yourself, EC's lone 1st place vote is a bit surprising. I also think Wentworth and UNE will be improved and a tough game this year, instead of the perennial doormats. I'm not saying they will contend with the big three...but they will probably decide how the top three finishes.

the south looks about right, with Curry and Rogers probably finishing that tight. alot will depend on when they meet, as it looks Curry will be a better team later in the year (once Lamb returns) and they heal from injuries.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Popsman on November 11, 2005, 09:54:10 PM
Why is everyone, even the CCC coaches poll, picking Curry over Roger W ???   

Roger Willaims beat Curry all 3 times they played last year.  I'm pretty sure Curry was at full strength all 3 times.  How good are these new Curry freshman?
Roger W has a new player from Maine highly rated.
Surprising polls.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on November 12, 2005, 01:00:06 AM
i think rogers will challenge curry. its a toss up at best. i can definately see rogers beating curry...especially because of the past. i wouldn't say rogers is getting overlooked...it is just too close to call.

who is the recruit RW has? their roster page (not sure if updated) doesn't list any players from maine?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 12, 2005, 02:49:07 AM
I know the RWU freshmen from Maine....his name is Conrad Griffin, a 6'2 wingman who was one of the top players in maine last year....division II caliber player who got the looks from D2 schools, but chose RWU for some reason....hes a very very very good player who will play right away, he is extremely athletic and very smart on the court.  He has the ability to stick 6 3's or take it to the whole and dunk it on you, hes just a natural player, I've talked about him in a few posts, but yea hes as good as they say if not better....future all-ccc player without question
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on November 13, 2005, 07:59:57 PM
 on sat csc.had a scim. against u of southern n.h. and from what i heard they played them to a tie.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2005, 09:55:14 AM
EC has their roster up now as well.  A bunch of new big men, still no true PG; that's gonna hurt them.

CSC seems to have brought in the successors to the current Senior class.  Foti addressed his lack of depth up front and brought in a couple of decent guards.  I'm sure it will be much of the same.

To address the Curry-RWU thing.  I know the coaches respect Wynn and the talent that returns this year.  Curry has cosistently been picked near the top of the South for quite a while.  The coaches actually get rosters before they vote, so they all got to see the huge bodies CC brought in.  I think RWU has been coasting the last couple of years and now they'll really have to compete.

Salve brought in three freshmen over 6'6"  They had a lot of young talent last year, so if they can gel (something they totally failed to do last year), they might put up a fight as well.

I think there might be a huge improvement overall in the conference this year.  I think we'll see some non-conference games go our way that haven't done so in a while.  Should be exciting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2005, 10:21:43 AM

It seems like we've exhausted the pre-season jabber.  It might be a little premature, but here are the weekend matchups:

Friday
SRU vs #25 Catholic @ UMass-D tourney
ENC vs Lesley
EC vs Fisher (Not St John Fisher) @ Amherst Tourney
GC vs Framingham State (Gordon Tip-off Tourney)
CSC vs ME-Machais @ Keene State
NEC vs Castleton State
UNE @ Wesleyan (Wesleyan Tourney)
NC vs Becker @ WPI (Worcester Tourney)

Saturday
AMC vs Bard @ Rivier Tourney
SRU vs ME-Ft Kent or UMass-D @ UMass-D Tourney
RWU vs Lasell @ Brandeis Tourney
CC vs New Jersey @ Salem State Tourney
ENC @ Connecticut College
EC vs Fitchburg State or Amherst @ Amherst Tourney
CSC vs Husson @ Keene State
GC vs Southern Maine or Westfield State (Gordon Tip-off Tourney)
UNE vs Bridgewater State or Suffolk @ Wesleyan Tourney
WIT vs Lyndon State @ ME-Farmington Tourney

Sunday
AMC vs Johnson St or Rivier @ Rivier Toruney
RWU vs Newbury or Brandeis @ Brandeis Tourney
CC vs Maine Maritime or Salem State @ Salem State Tourney
WIT vs ME-Presque Isle or ME-Farmington @ ME-Farmington Tourney

What's with Keene State and CSC avoiding each other?  They don't like playing twice to start every season?  Also, it seems there is a big shift to Saturday-Sunday tournaments and ignoring the Friday nights... interesting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 14, 2005, 12:02:11 PM
i wouldnt really say CSC and Keene are avoiding each other, in the KSC tip off classic I think they were trying to plan it so that they would meet in the championship game, and then 10 days later KSC and CSC will play each other possibly again @ NHTI.  so they could possibly play each other twice in their first 4 or 5 games each
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2005, 12:23:43 PM

They've done it that way the last few years, meeting in the KSC tip-off and then at NHTI.  I guess they just decided it was too much too soon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 14, 2005, 03:49:40 PM
GC has had two scrimmages this preseason.  Their first scrimmage was against Emerson, where GC put on a shooting clinic and walked away with a fat W, as well as much needed confidence.  Their next scrimmage was against an overmatched Daniel Webster team, in which GC again man handled them to the tune of another victory.  The interesting story line coming from these scrimmages however is that of Emerson taking it to Roger Williams after they were beaten handedly by GC.  Some may say this shows that GC is better than RW, or some might say that this is basketball in early November.  But whatever it is, it makes the CCC that much more interesting down the stretch.

With the D3 CCC season right around the corner, as a fan I can't wait for the basketballs to be thrown in the air and have play begin.  The CCC looks as competitive as it's ever been, with any number of teams vying for that elusive NCAA tournament spot.  Like most years, the CCC North looks like a dog fight between EC, GC and CSC, with some pressure coming from that of WIT and UNE.  The South, again like most years, is up for grabs, and will probley come down to the last week or two in seeing who will make the playoffs.  This year should be filled with ups and downs, lefts and rights, and everything in between.  My early pre-season selection has to be CSC.  With a third team All-American, and their storied past, they deserve their #1 billing.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 14, 2005, 04:30:50 PM
not to knock GC or EC but CSC should run away this season with the CCC crown, EC i think has clearly dropped down to third unless a couple of these freshmen become big time contributors right away, with Gordon taking over #2 in the north, but still if GC is gonna rely on shooting trifectas they wont be able to get by a team like CSC, and Gordon should be ashamed of themselves for playing such weak teams, thast a joke and really i could care less what they do against teams like DW and Emerson hell i know high school teams that could dominate them.....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on November 14, 2005, 05:33:12 PM
anytime someone begins a sentence with "not to knock anyone" you know someone is about to get disrespected. personally i dont hold any stock in any preseason game, whether they are playing Duke or Beverly High School. preseason is for the coaches to evaluate their players in game action. thats about it. it can be good banter for the fans of course, but i dont read into results or care who is scheduled. i am excited for the weekend action however, and to get a look at the new Scots in the annual GC tip-off tourney. I agree with Hoopsfan, and think CSC will win the CCC, and that the best case scenario is for CSC to be strong, win some big out of conference games, roll through conference play, and lose in the championship, hopefully giving the CCC two bids. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 14, 2005, 09:20:47 PM
I've got to be honest, I am a new member on this site but I have read all the posts that have been up and I feel like Endicott is not getting nearly the respect that they deserve.  True, they lost Oxton who was a big help both in leadership and in point production, but that is about it.  While they lost 3 other seniors and 2 freshman, none of those players were huge contributers.  They still have the combo of George (a huge inside/outside threat), Ellis (J.J. Redick-type spot up shooter), and Marinkovic (think Vlade Divac in his early years).  Those are 3 players who have been pretty big contributers in the past and all bring big game experience to a relatively young team, which should be a big help.  In addition to this, they have Mike Sullivan who is a big force inside and likes to bang.  Plus, there are the freshman from last year, Gary Corbett and Todd Burton who played significant minutes on a championship team.  And I don't understand the comment about not having a "true" point guard.  Burton is a very viable option at the PG position.  Basically I think it is disrespectful to rank the 2-time defending champion #5 in the conference, whether they lost players or not.  We'll just have to see what happens when the conference games start I guess.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 15, 2005, 08:14:59 AM
gsmizzle22

I can't remember anyone ranking EC #5.  They are clearly in the top three teams in the CCC (both North and South)  But to answer you comment about EC being disrespected...I think it has to come down to the change in coaching.  Yes they are a two time champion but how will those playing under one system for two to three years adapt to a new coach and system.  I am sure they will be there come the end of the year but with the uncertainty, most can not put them at #1 or 2.  As always the north will be decided by the six games played between CSC, GC and EC.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 15, 2005, 08:20:47 AM
as far as power rankings go for the CCC in my opinion I'd say it looks something like this...

1.) Colby-Sawyer
2.) Roger Williams
3.) Gordon
4.) Endicott
5.) Curry

and when Curry gets everyone back sometime in 2nd Semester they could move up quickly, I just don't see EC coming out with convincing wins anymore without plansky there on the sidelines, without Oxton running point, without levesque there, no currier (given hes 2 years removed) I mean this team really is down to 3 proven players, Ellis, George, and Marinkovic.  And yes they are 3 very very good players I just think their time at the top is over now....just an opinion though I would love to be proven wrong
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2005, 09:54:30 AM

As far as GC outperforming RWU in the preseason, GC got to travel together this summer and they lost almost no one; they have to be the most polished team at this point or there are serious problems in the program.  RWU didn't gel well last year, didn't travel this summer and have a lot of younger guys who need to step into leadership positions.  I'm not sure you can tell much from that.

EC lost their point guard/leading scorer.  As far as I have seen in my CCC experience, it takes a solid PG to win the CCC.  CSC has lost in the final to less talented opponents the last two years (not that EC didn't deserve it, but they won by playing above themselves) because of their lack of experience at PG.  People underestimate the value a strong PG has in d3.  The confidence permeates the rest of the squad and their talent can carry teams when they struggle.  EC didn't make the leap to CCC Champion until Oxton came into his own.  There have been a long list of PG's in the CCC that dominate and will their teams to dominate.  EC has no true PG this year and if Bray is healthy, CSC has one of the best.  I have to assume this, combined with the new coach will give EC some trouble for the early part of the year.

Curry still scares me becuase of the big bodies.  Sure, any team can bring in a 7 foot stiff and a good 6-5 post player can dominate him, but these two curry freshmen are 6-5, 255 and 6-9 270.  Even if neither can make a lay-up, that is still some beastly rebounding and ten extra fouls.  You give that to last year's Curry team (which remains intact) and you've got one scary squad.  The South is still not that strong and only RWU can match up in size.  I don't know how good they are or how they will do, but I think you have to give this team some respect and obviously the CCC coaches thought so too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 15, 2005, 04:33:39 PM
CC does deserve respect, yes.  But let's not speak too soon.  Whenever a 6'9 or taller enters D3, let alone the CCC, people have to begin wondering why that is.  I'm not saying this applies to CC's new players, but lets not build them up before they've played a game yet.

EC is #3 according to the Pre-Season Coaches Poll.  Is there significance in that, maybe, but anyone who has followed the CCC can attest to the fact the pre-season polls, like pre-season games, mean absolutely nothing.  The margin between GC at #2 and EC at #3 is minimal at best.  Both teams are carrying young, talented players, who can play out of their mind at a minutes notice.  They also have seasoned veterans who know who to lead a team when they are going through hard times.  The match-up between these teams is a coin-flip, and should remain the focus of everyone's attention for the majority of this year.  With ENC being what they are, its fair to say EC and GC is the only real rivalry people are looking forward too.

RW in the South should add some much needed drama to the mix.  Always relying on being the dark horse, RW has the personnel to shake up both the North and South divisions.  No one should ever count the boys from Rhode Island out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2005, 05:27:06 PM

Quote from: 24/7/365 on November 15, 2005, 04:33:39 PM
Whenever a 6'9 or taller enters D3, let alone the CCC, people have to begin wondering why that is.

I addressed this in my post, because I too know that tall skinny guys in the CCC usually aren't very good, but I have to give some minimal respect to tall, wide guys.  Like I said, even if they can't hit the backboard on offense, these guys provide Curry with 10 extra fouls at minimum and possible some decent rebounding off the bench.  Their team didn't lack much besides a 6th and 7th man last year.  They seem to have quite a deep roster this time around.  I guess my point is the five stars on the team are good enough that practically any stiffs on the bench would give them a huge boost, let alone two huge stiffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 15, 2005, 06:42:51 PM
Yes, Endicott is ranked number three, but that is just in the north.  If you look at the total votes for the league, Endicott is ranked 5th.  Who is the point guard at Gordon that warrants them being ranked higher?  I just think you are all underestimating the fact that Endicott has people on their team this year that have played in big situations, like Mike Sullivan, who played pretty well in the playoffs the last two years.  It is not simply a "big three" type situation like you are all making it out to be.  I hope that you all keep Endicott at 5th in your polls and then have them come up and bite you in the ass.  Whether there is a new coach or not, they have the personnel on their team to make up for it.  Again I will say that we will just have to see how the season goes, and when Endicott is higher than 5th overall and higher than 3rd in the North, I wont even say I told you so.

Oh, and by the way, to whoever mentioned that CSC lost in the finals the previous two years, I would like to mention that they in fact lost in the FIRST ROUND last year.  Huh, but they are still the number one seed?  Interesting......
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 15, 2005, 07:45:49 PM
Mizzle, mizzle, mizzle.  There is no need to get so defensive and worked up.  I don't think anyone is truly "knocking" EC and the talent that they possess.  Rather they are hesitant to put too much confidence on a team that lost their fearless leader in that of Oxton.  If you asked most people, they would say that EC, in spite of that set back, would still be a formidable opponent for anyone in the CCC, including #1 CSC.  We are all just skeptical to see how they perform with out their go to guy.

As for your comment on GC and the PG that makes them higher than your Gulls.  Kauffman and Logan are both reputable, interchangeable PG's with true leadership for GC.  The fact that this team is debatably tighter than any other team in this league, gives the GC's PG's and edge because they know their teammates, as well as their tendencies.  While Kauffman is only a Soph. and Logan is making the transition to SG, both of these players demand respect as reputable guards, who are willing and ready to lead GC to their first ever CCC Title.

And as far as having a "Tall, Wide guy" goes, my opinion remains the same.  I guess you could get Refrigerator Perry out on the court and he could give you 5 extra fouls as well, but that doesn't make him a good basketball player.  This debate can go on and on, but I need to end it for fear of putting my foot in my mouth when these twin Sasquatches go for 20/10 averages this season.  So again, we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on November 15, 2005, 09:03:49 PM
honestly ec is a very overrated team this year.  with only three starters coming back and only one of them having any talent at all (ellis) there really isnt any hope for this team.  A new coach is the least of their worries with mani who had a terrible sophmore season, and george the most overated player in D3 basketball this year will be a verry disapoiting year for the gulls.  After the three of them there isn't anything.  Sully is soft, gary and tod i have never even heard of and r probably terrible and there bench is full with stiffs.  This is the team you look foward to seeing on your schedule to practice new plays your working on and also a few dunks. they can't play D or rebound i would be embaressed to be on that team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 15, 2005, 09:35:52 PM
WOOOOOOOW!!!

#1 Comes out of left field with the iron fist of hatred.  I am not a big fan of EC either, but to call them a bunch of stiffs as well as a team you practice dunks on, is way out of line.  If that were the case, the CCC itself would be lower than the Beverly/Wenham Bi-annual Church League Basketball Tournament, because EC is one of the CCC's best teams.  While EC, at its worst, is going through a rebuilding year, they still have Darko Mirinkovic, and a very athletic and well rounded player in that of Matt George.  Combine these two with EC's apparently only shining light in that of Ellis, and they still have a team to be reckoned with.  Their bench may be suspect, but whose bench isn't in this league?  I admire your opinions #1, as well as your boldness, but many of them are way off base. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 15, 2005, 10:24:56 PM
CCC #1,

First of all, who are you?  I highly doubt that you are the #1 player in the league becuase even St. Clair isn't the #1 player.  And if this is you, I would like to mention that Matt George was a much better player than you last year.  I do believe that he was higher than St. Clair in all but 2 statistical categories.  So that pretty much sums up my argument about that.  As for Sully being soft, I would like to tell you that he matches anyone in the league.  I don't see anyone out there in the league who likes to bang as much as Sully so you are completely out of your mind if you say that he is soft.  As far as Gary and Todd, I think its a good thing that you have never heard of them because they are going to come to play this year and I think they will be have a huge impact on the team.  Basically I think you have no idea what you are talkin about.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on November 15, 2005, 10:38:42 PM
gsmizzle.....  the way u r talkin about these no names lead me to believe that you r these two not talents kids.  you two r going to be awful this year after i did some research i heard gary isn't going to get off the bench untill endicott is down by 30 which will happen probably every game and for todd i heard he will get his starting position taken over by a freshman 5 games into the year.  As for george he has never stepped up in a big situation... he fakes injurys when the game is on the line.....he passes of the big shot........ he gets all of his stats when the game is out of reach....unless ellis scores 60 a game there is no chance you guys will be any good

lets not talk about this terribel team ne more lets move on to someone good like cs
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 15, 2005, 10:49:03 PM
Ok yes I do play for Endicott but that is beyond the point.  Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about because I played a lot last year and after losing all the points and leadership that you all seem to love to talk about, I dont see myself playing any less, plus Todd played a lot last year and will definitely not lose his starting at all let alone 5 games in, so get your facts straight.  I'm not sure who your source is but they are pretty stupid and I would no longer listen to them.  As for George, the kid is a baller and I can't wait to see what he does to Colby-Sawyer (again) this year.  The reason he has to pass off the big shot as you say is that the teams have to focus on him when the ball is inbounded.  But I guess that means that he sucks right?  I will AGAIN say that well see what happens during the year before you get your panties in a bunch about how bad we're gonna be.  Actually just come see me after we spank CSC by 30 again, or did you forget that? 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 15, 2005, 11:19:20 PM
Ok, I really am a fan of Gordon but if you're going to tell me that Endicott is the team to roll on, I'm going to have to call you out. George is maybe one of the best returning players this year...

And next time someone tells me that Gordon doesn't have a point guard, I'm going to have to mention Kaufman as Gordon's point guard. I've already called out him and Logan as being on of the best backcourts this year, and I'll freely say it again. The turth is, they lost one part time player, and have a core of sophomores and juniors (including a point guard).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 15, 2005, 11:54:55 PM
ok first off enough knocking on George the kid is a legit talent easily deserving of the recognition hes gotten, anyone who has been with this site for awhile knows ive been a big supporter of EC, but I as ive said im not expecting a 3 peat this year with what they lost and the multiple changes taken place.  Ellis is a very very good player as well, this kids as legit as they come, strokes 3's all day, very heady guard who has been a big time part of the program since his first day on campus and hes learned a lot playing alongside ox and currier over the past few years.  Namanja is a unique player, hes the least flashy player ive ever seen but hes extremely effective and efficient, this guy could realistically go for 20 and 10 on the season if millette sp? makes him a primary option in the offense.  so enough ragging on EC, they are still the champs till they get knocked out but there are clearly more favorites above them, they should roll over all but CSC, GC, CC, and RWU. 

and just for the record, St. Clair is still the best player in the CCC and is deserving of every bit of recognition he receives as well. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 16, 2005, 12:05:50 AM
I know I speak for everyone, especially HoopsFan, when I say please, PLEASE, post with discretion, and don't be so sloppy with them as well.  We are all fans of basketball, and apparently, some of us are basketball players, so let your opinions be well stated and your voice be clear and concise. 

Unfortunatley I think both #1 and Mizzle, are way to extreme to give thorough analysis on EC.  Mizzle is obviously going to be bias, and #1 is clearly motivated by hatred.  So I think the only thing we can do as witnesses of these interactions is to find middle ground and assume the truth lies in and around there.  But hey, it's official the 2005-2006 CCC  Posting-Up Wars have begun... man it's gonna be a long season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 16, 2005, 12:58:07 AM
I'll be honest, of course I am biased toward my own team, but I am not saying anything truly negative about any of the other teams in the league.  I agree that Colby Sawyer is going to be good and Gordon, Curry, etc. are as well, but obviously my point was to point out that we aren't going to be where everyone is placing us.  I really think that we are being disrespected because like someone pointed out in the most recent posts, we are still the champs and I think that despite the fact that we did lose some personnel, we should still get some more respect than we are getting.  And I truly think that Matt George is the best player in the league.  Against CSC, the obvious favorite among this group with the essentially unanimous Player of the year in this group Andrew St. Clair, he posted numbers of 26 pts, 8 rebounds, 6 assists in a game that we won by 30. So, I think the whole issue about him not being as good as advertised is complete crap, and while I understand that one game isn't enough to change everyone's mind, it was not the only time it happened.  This was a regular occurance for him, and it will obviously help our team out this year.  George brings leadership to the team moreso than anyone else I have ever played with.  I'll end it there but I think I've pretty much made my point
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on November 16, 2005, 01:37:57 AM
first of all, scott allenby is anything but a "part time player." i get your point though cademon's call. 

matty george is a 1st team CCCer at worst. he is one of the most versatile, athletic players in the CCC. ellis a solid player, but EC's guard play will not match up to a Gordon or a Colby. smizzle, we try and leave the NBA comparisons at home, but if by vlade divac you meant dino radja than yes i would agree darko has similar game. he scores because he is johnny on the spot, and doesnt played a shred of good defense. I look for Herr and St. Clair to eat him up.

#1, i enjoy your energy, albeit a bit overtop, but please try and grasp the english language

anyone have picks for preseason all conf teams? sleepers?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 16, 2005, 08:20:19 AM
Correct if I am wrong but if you take GC, EC, or CSC and put them in the South they would all be ranked #1.  I don't think there is a fair comparison between the preseason polls of the North and South to run the points total from top to bottom.  Remember all the points that RW and CC received where because they are the only two teams in the South that are good.  EC is #3 in the North and in the CCC overall in my opinion.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 16, 2005, 08:32:38 AM
One more thing...Scott Allenby was pretty much a part time player last year.  He was hurt and his minutes decreased as the year went on.  Scott is great but his body was unable to keep up with is drive and determination.  If you are talking about Scott two or three years then by no means was he a part time player.  He was clearly the 6th man coming off the bench not only with scoring ability but with punishing defensive intensity.

If you guys know but #1 is an EC student, so I would think he would have some kind of idea of what to expect!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2005, 10:46:16 AM
Oppose proposals from the Empire 8 to preserve automatic qualification for a conference that temporarily fails to meet the seven-school sponsorship requirement and by the Commonwealth Coast Conference to grant AQ eligibility to newly formed conferences during a two-year period beginning in August 2006.

This is a report from the D3 rules committee; it's an interesting development.  I kind of suspected that some of the CCC schools were looking to break loose and this gives creedence to that.  If they were to announce a new conference and this measure had been approved, they could have seamlessly kept their AQ as they formed a new conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2005, 11:04:54 AM

Nice to see everybody is back, although I'm wondering where you all have been?  It's ok, I guess to take the summer off, but once school gets underway, its time to crank it up.  Posting takes pre-season conditioning as much as anything else.

One, mizzle you probably need to watch yourself.  There is kind of an unwritten rule that current players don't post; it just creates too many problems.  Luckily Pat hasn't spotted you yet to tell you to keep quiet.  I'm not saying you have nothing to contribute (although biased homers generally don't get the best play around here), but its just not appropriate for the discussion.

No disrespect to Matt George, and this is coming from one of the most notorious CSC haters around, but if you say anyone other than Andrew St. Clair has been the best all-around player in the CCC over the last two seasons, you have either never watched him play or do not understand basketball.  In my opinion he's been the best since he got here, but certainly it was undisputed last season.  Other guys may be more athletic and there are certainly guys with more talent, but no one does more positively on and off the floor to help the team win.

That being said, there are certainly challengers this year and the title is by no means secure, however, when the coaches agree and d3hoops.com ranks you as the #3 center in the country, there is a little bit of proof to back that up.

EC has lost a lot; I still ranked them #2 in the North because I'm not sold on GC's post play yet.  RWU is getting no respect down south when they clearly showed something in the playoffs last year.  The South is a scary proposition to guess at, but certainly they have done enough so that we can't be talking about "the big three" anymore, at least not for this season.

With the action the board is getting already and the biased posters we see before the first tip, the only prediction I'm willing to make is an end to the two season moratorium on the "topic with which we shalt not speak" concerning CSC.  For those of you uninitiated, just wait.  Although with the schedule the way it is this season, we might have to wait until January 29th for anyone to bring it up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 16, 2005, 12:59:44 PM
I hope it's okay if I move away from the EC banter, and focus more on the CCC as a whole.  The majority of the teams look quite young, with many of them carrying four freshman plus.  With that being the case, it gives many of the CCC's elite players time to shine and prove themselves as the highly touted players we all hype them to be. 

It is at this point that I would like to open the flood gates of naming the pre-season All-Conference players, as well as some dark horses many of us may not know about.  Just like the coaches have their opinions, we too have ours.  So as Stuart Scott would say, let the debating begin.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2005, 02:09:33 PM

Here is how I break it down, preseason.  15 guys get picked, but there will be plenty to choose from:

AMC (they finally put a roster up, by the way; four freshmen, 6-3, 6'4, 6-6, 6-8; they needed the size) Bryan Porcaro is their best player, in my opinion, but he wasn't that great last year; I don't think they have an All-Conference contender.

CSC- obviously St. Clair is a 1st teamer.  Bray is the best PG in the conference if he can stay healthy (which has been hard for him).  Kenny should also get some play for one of the All-CCC teams.  James Thorpe is my sleeper.  He should be getting 30-35 minutes a game this year and he was very good at the end of last season.

CC- Lamb made first team last year with only one, semester; I expect he can do it again.  Tim Jones and Mohrin both got recognized last year, they along with Bartelle will have to be considered.  If these oafs are any good, they'll probably get play too.

ENC- absolutely no one for the 1st team, Luc Jasmin has talent, but no cast to help him put up numbers and Corey is a streaky shooter; if he gets some consistency he could score a lot of points for a team with no options.

EC- obviously George is at the top of the list.  Marinkovic will get a lot of respect, he's a show in as well if he learned how to play defense over the summer.  Evans has potential, but he was way too raw last year for me to be a believer just yet.

GC- Herr is their top returner, but probably not the best player.  Marstaller, Kauffman or Logan could emerge if they worked hard enough in the off-season.

NEC- doesn't even have a roster posted and didn't have much talent last year, but they were a young team and I never doubt the impact a year of experience can have on somebody

NC- They don't have a roster up either, but Casey Butler is very good.  He got doubled so often last year that he didn't get to show his ability.  The freshmen (now sophs), Powers and Lewis might be good enough this year to take some pressure off him and let him prove himself.

RWU- the big names had down years last season, but we can't count out Brandon Parrish or Cormier.  Dan Gumb played well and I think Barranger might develop into a half decent post player at some point.  They've got some highly touted freshmen, but I haven't seen any of them play.

SRU- brought in a bunch of big freshmen.  I hear good things about Mike Cassell, but that's just conjecture.  Coute is back for one more go-round, but everybody else is up in the air.

UNE- McManus is back and I think a 1st team spot is his to lose (which isn't out of the question) Farynaz may come back after last year's sophomore slump.  I also think Stikney is a sleeper.

WIT- PB&J is back and will score.  The team will be much better without him (and his lack of assists) at the point.  This kid, Todd Doyle is supposed to be special, lots of people, even outside the CCC seem to think so.  We'll have to see what happens.


The one thing I do know, however, is that predicting post-season awards in the CCC is pretty crazy.  I think we'll see St. Clair win MVP again and Malcolm Wynn gets COY.  I'm not even gonna try rookie... that would be suicide.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on November 16, 2005, 07:38:01 PM
I saw Roger Williams scrimmage. They are ok. They have a big kid who is ok. Nothing real special, but he is big. Prob. 6'11 or so. They have one guard who is very good. I believe he is the starting PG. He is pretty good, but not unbelievable as some people made him out to be. Other than that i didnt see RWU as anything special. In my opinion curry should give it to them this year. I think RWU has been overhyped!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 17, 2005, 09:00:38 AM
The following athletes make up the current roster of the Men's Basketball team.

 
Athletes:

     

William Barrett  03  FR  5'10"  Fairfield / Fairfield CT 
Chris Cormier  05  SR  6'0"  Trumbull / Trumbull, CT 
Ben Camobreco  10  SO  5'10"  Duxbury / Duxbury, MA 
Brandon Parrish  11  JR  6'3"  Lincoln / Lincoln RI 
Ryan McGovern  12  JR  5'11"  Prout School / Wakefield, RI 
Conrad Griffin  21  FR  6'3"  Wiscasset / Wiscasset, ME 
Ryan McGinn  22  FR  6'4"  Peru / Plattsburgh, NY 
Marty Paciorkowski  24  FR  6'3"  Concord / Deerfield, NY 
Michael Wooley  33  FR  6'4"  Nathan Hale / Seattle, WA 
Tucker Bashaw  34  FR  6'0"  Champlain / Williston, VT 
Daniel Gumb  40  SO  6'6"  JFK Somers / Patterson, NY 
Geoff Baranger  42  SO  6'11"  Fairfield / Fairfield, CT 


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2005, 09:44:30 AM

Cormier is a solid player and quality leader for the team.  Lots of underclassmen talent.  I'm not sure if you noticed, but Dan Gumb made second team last year and Barranger really came on near the end.  I also think Parrish has been forgotten.  He was amazing as a freshman and struggled with injury last season.  I think they are definately a contender now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on November 17, 2005, 11:09:18 AM
I was just saying that because i saw them scrimmage and they didnt look too impressive to me at all. I also saw curry play last year and they look a lot better in my opinion. But again it is just preseason...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: incite3 on November 17, 2005, 02:07:03 PM
I didnt get a chance yesterday to look at the posts, and it seems I missed a lot.  Personally I love all of the back and forth talk.  It adds character.  Who would we be if we didnt have a team that we were truely rooting for.  Thats basketball, and we're basketball fans.  I love it!  The season is upon us.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 17, 2005, 02:50:22 PM
It looks like Mike Schnackenberg is going to get the fifth starting spot for Gordon on Friday -- making their starting five Kaufman, Logan, Marstaller, Herr, and Schnack. Also, you should really look for Schnack to have a blow up year. He played really well over the summer, and should get more playing time this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 17, 2005, 04:01:15 PM
for what its worth its confirmed that sammy evans of endicott will miss the entire season with stress fractures in his foot, that could turn out to be a big blow considering sam showed some signs of being a solid player last year and im sure the gulls were looking for him to emerge even more this season as he could have complemented marinkovic very well with his athleticism..... they def lose some depth by losing evans
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2005, 04:16:40 PM

If Evans is out that's big news.  EC is going to have to rely on some of the freshmen forwards they brought it.  Not that its necessarily bad.  I have a sneaking suspicion that they were pretty good to begin with.  I'm not sure if the new coach can coach or not, but I do know he can recruit like crazy.

This definately puts things up in the air for second through about 6th place in the conference.  CSC comes in favorites, but there are a lot of solid teams after that.  We may actually have some more balanced records this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccchoops on November 17, 2005, 04:49:23 PM
The CCC better watch out for the Curry Colonels who have returned all of there starters from last season. Rahiem Lamb will carry them when he comes back in Janurary but until then curry has a solid mix of outside shooting and inside bodies. The Curry freshman class has Two big men and a point gaurd to add to the mix so they are only getting better. Mike Weaving the 6'5 freshman from Ridgewood, New Jersey played excellant defense against Franklin Pierce, although the same could not be said for Curry Center Robel Ghebremichael who got dunked on by Franklin Pierce's center Justin Powell. Curry will be ok though with Weaving off the Bench along with James Bartelle and Mike Morhin until Lamb comes back then Curry will dominate.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2005, 04:58:27 PM

Thanks for showing up, but the party ended an hour ago.  We've gone down the Curry roster a couple time already, but I'm glad we have you around for Curry updates during the season.  LAst year no one was reporting anything.  I hope you all stick around for the long haul.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on November 18, 2005, 01:05:14 PM
In reply to comments on Curry's last schrimmage, I attended the schrimmage. Curry seems to be big with these two Freshman, as well as Lamb 6'6 and a couple of 6'4 new comers. The two Freshman played decent amount of minutes. From what I saw they seem to lack the scoring ability (needs improvement), but are both fairly well on defense (could use improvement also). Franklin Pierce received alot of help from their big man Justin, who did not have any dunks but did very well with his back to the basket. Both Freshman did fairly well guarding Justin, Mike Weaving used his big body to make it impossible to get position, as well as Robel Ghebremichael, who blocked a couple shots. I see alot of talent in this Curry squad, especially with the shooting I saw from Mike Mohrin and James Bartelle. I strongly believe Curry played good without Jones or Lamb, and felt if either had played Curry would have walked out with a win. Although they lost by 4, I can only imagine what they will do in their conference. I was at the game last year when CC lost to RW, and with the same team returning I feel confident in saying they will beat them this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 18, 2005, 03:32:48 PM
Reiterating a point made earlier, we know CC is going to be good.  We have exhausted that topic, so it need not be discussed any further for fear of finally pushing Hoopsfan over the proverbial edge of sanity.

On a happier not, CCC BASKETBALL STARTS TONIGHT!  With the majority of teams competing either tonight, or later on this weekend, CCC basketball has finally begun, thus giving us 6 months to rant and rave about any given topic at any given time.  I, of course, will be heavily touting GC and the fine young squad they are carrying this season.  With a solid first year under their belts, their still very young Sophomores, are all looking to have break out years.  Combine that with the veteran leadership of Logan and Herr, and you have yourself a winning formula.  They open tonight with Framingham State in the Gordon College Tip-Off Tournament.  This will be an exciting, most likely high scoring game, which has the potential of being an all out shooting contest before the night ends.  Look for some big individual numbers when the smoke clears.  And look for GC to walk away victorious.

Good luck to the rest of the teams in the conference.  I'm hoping that this is the year that the CCC puts itself on the D3 map, and begins gathering notoriety from all the other contenders in the country.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2005, 03:39:41 PM
Thanks for the consideration of my mental health... I just want to see some basketball!

This got pushed three pages back already, so here is the repost.  I'll try to do this regularly during the semester so we can all see what's on the block.

Friday
SRU vs #25 Catholic @ UMass-D tourney
ENC vs Lesley
EC vs Fisher (Not St John Fisher) @ Amherst Tourney
GC vs Framingham State (Gordon Tip-off Tourney)
CSC vs ME-Machais @ Keene State
NEC vs Castleton State
UNE @ Wesleyan (Wesleyan Tourney)
NC vs Becker @ WPI (Worcester Tourney)

Saturday
AMC vs Bard @ Rivier Tourney
SRU vs ME-Ft Kent or UMass-D @ UMass-D Tourney
RWU vs Lasell @ Brandeis Tourney
CC vs New Jersey @ Salem State Tourney
ENC @ Connecticut College
EC vs Fitchburg State or Amherst @ Amherst Tourney
CSC vs Husson @ Keene State
GC vs Southern Maine or Westfield State (Gordon Tip-off Tourney)
UNE vs Bridgewater State or Suffolk @ Wesleyan Tourney
WIT vs Lyndon State @ ME-Farmington Tourney

Sunday
AMC vs Johnson St or Rivier @ Rivier Toruney
RWU vs Newbury or Brandeis @ Brandeis Tourney
CC vs Maine Maritime or Salem State @ Salem State Tourney
WIT vs ME-Presque Isle or ME-Farmington @ ME-Farmington Tourney
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 18, 2005, 05:42:19 PM
Anybody wanna give a spread on the SRU vs. Catholic game?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 19, 2005, 12:00:59 AM
GC started out their 05-06 campaign with a convincing win over Framingham State in the opening round of the Gordon College Tip-Off Tournament.  Gordon came out of the gates running on all cylinders quickly mounting a 7 point lead.  The Rams however clawed their way back and managed to obtain a 1 point lead going into halftime at 43-42.  The lead did not last long as sophomore stand out John Marstaller began making his presence known in the paint by dropping 19 points and grabbing 8 boards on the night.  Veteran forward Mike Herr helped the cause by amassing 18 points, 11 rebounds and 5 assists.

The Scots had a series of scoring spurts in the second half, and eventually ended up winning the game 93-71.  The guard play for GC performed well also, as Logan and Kauffman combined for 25 points.  GC's bench came to play as Senior captain John Beebe shot 4-5 from the arc in the first half and finished the game with 13 total.  While Framingham State proved worthy for one half of play, GC was far superior and showed that in the second half.  GC looks towards tomorrow as they play Westfield State in the championship game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 19, 2005, 09:19:52 PM
Last night CSC won 92-85 over Maine-Machias.  Matt Spanos the 6-6 Tech transfer dropped 21 points, 10 rebounds. Bray and Thorpe each had 15 and Kenny had 13.  Haven't seen today's Husson score yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 19, 2005, 09:30:28 PM
Some other scores:

Friday:
CSC 92, Maine-Machias 85
Catholic 72, SRU 57
Lesley 83, ENC 64
Endicott 72, Fisher 59
Nichols 88, Becker 61
Wesleyan 68, NEC 63
Gordon 93, FSC 71

Saturday:
Amherst 68, Endicott 57
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 20, 2005, 11:36:22 AM
CSC over Husson 107-91.  St. Clair had 27.  Thorpe had 19 with 10 boards. 

Freshman Duncan Szeliga had 13 yesterday and he had 12 on Friday. So he should be a frosh to watch. 

Next up for CSC is Keene State on the 29th.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on November 20, 2005, 07:25:13 PM
How about RWU losing to nebury by 20. RWU top of the leauge, i think not...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 20, 2005, 07:49:58 PM
CSC cannot be happy with those two wins, giving up that many points. They're not going to win the CCC if they play defense like that.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Onefaceinthecrowd on November 20, 2005, 10:01:32 PM
I saw Nichols play WPI on Saturday evening and they looked great.  Nichols plays hard at all times. They are a very smart squad. Skill and smarts are hard to beat.  Look for NC to turn a few heads along the way this season.  Well done Bison.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 20, 2005, 11:44:19 PM
RWU's Dan Gumb went down with a broken leg early in the second half. The game was witin 4 pts at that time. From what I heard the break was very bad and requires surgery to fix it. It is certainly a season ender for Dan. The 20 pt loss is not indicative of what the results would have been if he had not gotten injured.

I think the players on RWU were visibly shaken with Dan's injury and that added to the loss but they have a lot of talent and they will bounce back. Probably will finish 3rd or 4th this season though.

Sorry to see one of the top CCC players go down so early in the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 21, 2005, 01:34:31 AM
i noticed conrad griffin one of the big name recruits RWU brought in didnt play in either game this weekend.....looks like a rough start to the season for a team with such high expectations
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 21, 2005, 08:27:02 AM
I didn't get a chance to go to GC vs Westfield but i was at the game on Friday night.  Yes GC pulled away in the second half but that was mainly due to foul trouble.  Marstaller has held in check first half due to the physical play of FSC's bid guy #45.  He had three fouls by the end of the first half and quickly added a fourth within the two minutes.  I think GC will be fine but they need to get stronger on the boards.  FSC stole 4 or 5 boards right out of their hands.  If GC can be more aggressive and physical then I will bet they will be right up there with CSC for the top seed but it all comes down to rebounding and second chance points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2005, 10:47:40 AM

Here is the weekend run-down:

Friday

Nichols over Becker 88-61 no stats that I can find anywhere.

Salve goes down to #25 Catholic 55-72.  Coute led all SRU scorers with 12.  Goodridge had 8 assists, but it seems Catholic scored at will, shooting 55% from the floor and from the arc.  Grendal also had 10 points.

ENC loses to Lesley 64-83.  This was the Lesley Men's Basketball Program's first GAME ever.  Not a good showing.  No box score available.

CSC over ME-Machias 92-85.  A lot closer than Foti likes to see them, but a W is a W.  Also, much of the closeness can be attributed to St. clair who fouled out in only 14 minutes.  If he had kept up his pace (9 points, 7 boards) for the whole game, it would not have been nearly so close.  Thorpe and Bray had 15 each, Kenny had 13 and Zeliga 12.  THe post back-up has arrived in Spanos who picked up 21 and 10 in place of St. Clair.  CSC shot only 28% from the arc, which also contributed to the narrow margin.  Thier defense was off, but overall a decent first outing from all acounts.

EC 72 Fisher 59  Marinkovic went 19 and 8.  Ellis had 17 points, George put in a good all-around performance 13 pts, 7 assists and 6 boards (8 turnovers as well).  They played great defense and nearly doubled up Fisher on the glass.  Good start for them, but they probably should have handled Fisher better.

NEC beat Castleton State 86-80.  No box score, but Castleton has been semi-decent that last couple of years.  Maybe there actually is improvement from one year to the next at NEC.

UNE loses a close one to Wesleyan 63-68.  McManus went for 26 and 9, Olvier had 10, Farynaz had 12 and Stinkney had 11 boards.  UNE didn't shoot well, but it seems their defense and rebounding are improved.  I think the North seems stronger all-around this year.

Gordon over Framingham 93-71.  GC allowed Framingham to shoot almost 50% and the rebounding was even, still good results for the opener.  19 and 8 from Marstaller with 4 blocks.  18 and 11 from Herr with 5 assists.  15 from Logan, 13 from Beebe and 10 from Kauffman with 6 assists and 6 turnovers.

Saturday

CSC 107 Husson 91.  Sixteen points is decent against a better than average Husson squad.  The defense still isn't to Foti standards, but with this high powered offense, it may not matter.  St Clair has 27 points, putting him over 1500 for his career early on, with a decent chance at 2000, which is a real accomplishment.  Thorpe continues to prove me right with 19 and 10. 12 points from Kenny and 6 assists each from Kenny and Bray.  Just a note, but this CSC team has the potential to re-write their school record books in this campaign.  St Clair is already the career leader in blocks.  He should be #1 all-time in FG's made, rebounds and steals by the end of the season.  With a healthy campaign Bray will be #1 in assists and #2 in steals.

EC falls to #5 Amherst by 11 68-57.  Either a very good showing for EC or a very poor one by Amherst.  The patented tight D from EC kept them in it early, but were overcome in the end by a superior Amherst team.  No shame in this game for EC.  Marinkovic went for 11 and 9.  Ellis had 16 and Burton 12.  It seems Ellis is feeling right at home in the PG spot.  Although he's not getting too many assists, the move may work out fine for EC.

UNE 90 Suffolk 75.  Impressive win for UNE.  McManus went for 21, trying to get an early lead in the conference scoring average.  Oliver had 12 with 6 assists.  Farynaz also had 12 points. Stinkney went for 10 and 10.  UNE rebounded and shot well, along with playing solid D.  They seem to have inside and outside presence, probably not enough to scare CSC, but certainly enough to improve their showing in the conference.

GC over Westfield State 70-58.  It would be nice if they scheduled better teams to start the year, but good showings nontheless.  Good perimeter defense and decent rebounding continued.  Marstaller went for 23 and 11 and appears to be much improved.  The CCC is looking to be very front-court heavy this season.  Logan had 9 points and 7 assists.

WIT goes down to Lyndon State 72-83.  Not a good showing.  Lyndon state sucks.  WIT couldn't hit anything and couldn't stop Lyndon from making shots.  DaCosta had 14, PB&J had 13 and the Freshman also contributed 14, although only one assist.  Certainly there is room for improvement and this team hasn't had a chance to gel yet, but it doesn't look good for them as NEC and UNE got off to decent starts.

Salve destroyed ME-Ft Kent (although I don't know enough to know how easy that is) 72-49.  Coute scored 20 (996 for his career) and Grendal contributed 13 boards.  Woodworth also had 15 points.  I think Ft Kent just sucks.

Nichols gave #17 WPI a scare with an 82-89 loss.  WPI is being stingy with the stats and info on their team.  Honestly, I think the squad is in free-fall and they are trying to keep it quiet as long as possible.

Curry came real close to beating a very good New Jersey team in Salem, falling 57-59.  Marcus Jones went for 20 and 9, leading the team to a good showing without their two best players.  Bartelle contributed 10 points.  The two stiffs did nothing, really less than nothing for guys of their girth.  The team even got outrebounded.  It seems Curry did well on the perimeter, but New Jersey had their way on the inside.  We really won't know what to make of CC until Lamb and Tim Jones get back.

ENC goes down big to Conn College 53-78.  Get used to huge margins with this squad.  Conn College isn't all that good.  Christian Corey led ENC with 16, Luc Jasmin contributed 13 and 8.  ENC had only 12 assists and 22 turnovers as a team; they also were sorely outrebounded.  CC shot at will and for the most part, uncontested.  This might be the worst team in the conference; we'll see how they do against AMC.

Speaking of which, AMC goes down to Bard (yes, Bard) 54-65.  At this point I am expecting them to get rocked by Becker, which is never a good sign.  No stats for AMC in this one.

RWU goes down to Lasell 60-68.  On the plus side, Lasell seems to be reloaded, so this result could bode well for the abilities of RWU, even without Gumb.  Gumb had 11 points.  Camebrecco had 12, Wooley had 10.  Cormier got shut down for 9 points on 2-10 shooting.  No rebounds, poor shooting percentage.

Sunday

Curry beat ME-Maritime in the consolation 61-53.  Mohrin had 15, Marcus Jones and Bartelle had 14 each and Lamarre contributed 14 boards.  Gertbemichael, the really big stiff, got into the action a little bit more with 4 pts, 2 boards and 3 blocks.  Maybe he will round (no pun intended) into form before too long.

RWU got nailed by Newberry in the consolation at Brandeis.  It has been mentioned before that they lost Dan Gumb for the year to what has been described as a "Joe Namath" type leg break... not pretty or fun.  My best to Dan in the recovery.  He had 10 and 7 before going out.  Cormier had 12 points. Camobrecco had 7 assists.  Barranger is going to have to step up in Gumb's absence for RWU to do anything.

AMC goes down to Johnson State 63-66.  No stats available.

WIT over ME-Presque Isle 96-52.  Big win, even if it is over a bad opponent.  PB&J decides to show a second dimension pulling down 8 boards to go along with his 26 points.  13 and 7 for Brian Gaine.  Doyle got in foul toruble and only saw the court for 12 minutes.  Ten points for Jeff Cappa off the bench.  Another huge rebounding game for WIT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Popsman on November 21, 2005, 01:27:57 PM
I was at the RWU - Newbury game and for all practical purposes the game ended when Dan Gumb was injured.   His injury and pain was terrible and felt by both teams, coaches and fans.  It took a long time - half hour or more before play could resume.   I think both teams but particularly RWU  just wanted to get out of there without anything else bad happening.

It is a shame to see such a good kid and a good player lose a season.  I hope the best for him and his family.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on November 21, 2005, 01:34:59 PM
I heard WNEC was accepted to CCC.   Any truth to this?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 21, 2005, 02:13:23 PM
GC's out of conference schedule may not get any power ranking nods, but it is still a decent schedule.  Framingham State has very good guard play, and they are some energetic athletes.  Westfield State, although the score doesn't show it, were a very well-rounded team, who were capable of going outside the arc as well as hammering the ball in down low.   And let's not forget, these schedules are made 2 sometimes 3 years in advance for convenience reasons.  So what looked like even competition a few years ago is now one good team going against some lackluster, rebuilding teams. 

I agree that I would like to see GC go against the Keene State's of the world, but they still have Salem State to play as well as a solid tournament to go down to in Georgia during Christmas Break.  If they continue their winning ways against teams like Framingham State and Westfield, hopefully they'll be able to schedule so much more competitive out of conference games in the near future.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on November 21, 2005, 04:10:09 PM
not to read too much into week 1 of play but....

gordon looked decent over the weekend. alot of improvement needed, but like i said it is game 2 of the year. I really think the chemistry of this team is what will get them over the hump. i was really impressed with their free throw shooting. it can be the difference in big games they will have down the stretch.

csc looks like it will light it up on the scoreboard this season. not 100, but they could average in the high 70's.  the defense did look shaky (i woudln't call Husson or Maine-Maritime offensive juggernauts), however i always thought offense is ahead of the defense in the early going anyways. i'm most surprised that a senior, with the smarts/credentials of a St. Clair can foul out in 15 minutes? that seems like a freshman mistake at best. just a thought....
also i agree with hoops, thorpe is overshadowed on that team by St. Clair, but you could agrue he is just as valuable. certainly not as good maybe, but as valuable.

endicott's score against Amherst is a big shocking. Maybe they do still have that vaunted defense....

Unless RWU uses the Gumb injury as motivation of epic porportions, I can't see them beating Curry. At least for the 1 seed in the South. Obviously, anything can happen in a one game play-off. And we still have to make sure Curry gets all of their players back. Also, it is too early to really write off a team because of one injury, even if it is to one of their better players. Lets see how they respond.

I really think its asking alot of a freshman, especially a guard/swingman type to come into the CCC and dominate their freshman year. I know you have been touting Griffin, but i'm not sure he was one of the best in Maine last year. Among seniors in high school, sure he was probably top 10, but I don't see him being a stud until jr year or so.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 22, 2005, 07:37:12 AM
Another thing with CSC (and a lot of teams), when the team is running up the score and being overly concerned with scoring baskets, things are usually overlooked on the other end.  I didn't see the two games last weekend, but I have seen that too many times from past Charger teams. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on November 22, 2005, 08:10:46 AM
to roy williams............does that mean if a pro fouls out he is a freshman............just a thought?????
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 22, 2005, 10:32:31 AM
Hey John, kudos on being the first person to use a smiley face.  And I think we all understand what Roy was trying to say.  St. Clair, a preseason All-American, should be smart enough to not pick up 5 fouls so quickly.  Whenever someone averages one foul every three minutes, that is never a good thing.  I don't doubt that St. Clair will get back on track for the rest of the year, and be the player we all know him to be, and until then let's try to be a little less sarcastic...  ;D! 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on November 22, 2005, 10:53:33 AM
 i wasn't trying to be sarcastic but to prove a point that anyone can have a bad game. i was there and the second and fourth fouls were poor calls. st.clair did come back in the second game and showed what he can do. anyways they were non ccc games and thats what i am waiting for to see how good they really are.bench is good and i can see some new players stepping up when needed. ::)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: primetimeplayer on November 22, 2005, 12:02:29 PM
hey whats up everyone...new to the post......anyways...the conference just dont have any contenders anymore,coem on we cant even get a top 25 votes,we have teams like amc and enc that will only compete with each other...i mean amc is favored not to win 1 game,thats embarassing to the ccc, when we will be back on the map?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 22, 2005, 01:28:21 PM
the ccc had climbed onto the scene some with CSC and EC both receiving top 25 votes in years past, and i expect CSC to wind up with some as the year goes on, more likely earlier than later.  EC even hosted an NCAA tourney game a couple years ago (vs Brandeis?) and last year i forget who where they played I believe it was @ Western Conn.  anyways this is a down year overall but CC, CSC, EC, and even Gordon (prolly a year away) are all respectable teams that can play with most NE teams (see EC vs #5 Amherst) so dont knock the CCC too much...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2005, 04:00:03 PM
That's a bit ignorant to say the CCC is down.  In fact its totally the opposite of the truth.  I think in terms of ENC, AMC and others, its more a case of the rest of the conference passing them by.  Granted, ENC is down from their glory years of the mid to late 90's, but they were contenders as recently as four years ago.  Teams like EC, GC, RWU, and CSC have just totally picked up their level of play and recruiting and brought the CCC into the forefront.

It's another reason why I see a defection in the near future.  I would not be surpised if six or seven of the top teams took off and formed their own league.  However, I don't think its because the CCC is keeping them down, but because they are moving beyond the capabilities of some of the smaller and less financially secure schools.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 22, 2005, 06:11:51 PM
Unfortunately I'm going to have to agree with my friend Hoopsfan on this subject.  The CCC as of the last three years or so has been as competitive as it's ever been, in both the South and North divisions.  In every league, D1, D2 or D3 you have a select group of teams that are incapable of hanging with the upper tear teams, ENC, AMC as well as a few others are no exception.

On the contrary, the CCC has the ability to begin gaining nation wide recognition for their play.  With the new format of the NCAA tournament, the CCC has a legitimate chance of putting two teams into the tournament this year.  With that being said, that is a long shot, but with the teams the CCC is fielding this year, almost anything is possible.

On a side note, GC plays Johnson State tonight.  If GC can withstand the horrible multi-hour drive to Canada, they should be 3-0 on the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2005, 06:37:13 PM

It's only four hours to JSC, not too much longer than Salve has to go to get to CSC, although Johnson, VT is closer to Canada than it is to either NY or NH... pretty odd.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on November 22, 2005, 07:02:35 PM
hey john

i wasn't trying to say St. Clair is a bad player. He is one of, if not the, best player in the conference no doubt. Heck, he was third team preseason All-American.  I'm just saying, with all that considerd, i found it odd he would foul out so quickly (15 minutes). Usually a coach will protect him by leaving him on the bench after 3 fouls for the rest of the first half, or trust that a senior will know how to not foul out so quickly. Maybe Foti was testing him since it was a non-conference game, to see how he responds in that situation? I wasn't sure if it was a show of undiscipline or jsut a bad night. I just found it curious, because it was so quick.

And for the record, yes I think if Shaq or Duncan fouled out in 15 minutes more than a few people would be up in arms. It was just shocking because a player of St. Clair's caliber fouled out so quickly, not neccesairly that he fouled out. 

i do feel bad for gordon as not one kid across the nation is welcoming a cold, rainy trip to johnston state, when every other kid is on their way home for thanksgiving feasts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cant dog on November 22, 2005, 10:37:13 PM
Gordon College over Johnson State 80 - 48
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: primetimeplayer on November 22, 2005, 11:59:44 PM
ok..first off i was not trying to be ignorant,i want to see the ccc improve,sorry if I came off that way...but, ccc is at the bottome of the pile in the northeast,nvm the country,yes maybe 1 or 2 teams satnd out,but i dont see any of them getting national attention or national recognition...i know you guys are big fans of the ccc,but lets keep it realistic fellas...ccc is not going in the right direction
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on November 23, 2005, 09:01:56 AM
yikes.. newbury first beats Roger williams but then newbury loses to Anna Maria College last night at home by 6
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 23, 2005, 10:41:49 AM
Quote from: primetimeplayer link=topic=612.msg428317#msg428317 but lets keep it realistic fellas...ccc is not going in the right direction
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How can you even say this?  There is no basis for this statement.  This lowly CCC is carrying a preseason All-American.  This lowly CCC has the ability to put two teams into the tournament.  This lowly CCC is most likely going to form a new conference because teams are becoming too good for the present one.  I understand that you are fairly new to the CCC board, so we'll give you a reprieve for your obviously unfounded comments.  However, you should probley do your research before you speak, as well as back up your arguments with facts and not just opinions
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Clark Basketball on November 23, 2005, 11:50:58 AM
Ahhhh....I wouldnt bad mouth Anna Maria too soon.  They have some young talent and they play hard.  I am not saying they will win the league but they will win some games and they certainly do not deserve to be badmouthed this early in the season.  CCC is very mediocre....deal with it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on November 23, 2005, 12:01:04 PM
CCC won't be making a new conference anytime soon.  Most because the Management Council of the NCAA has already shot down that proposal.  So unless a CCC team applies to a new league and gets in, they are all stuck in here for the long haul.  CCC did get better though as WNEC is going to be in i belive for Fall of 07. Might even be Fall of 06, not 100% sure when they will be starting CCC Play though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on November 23, 2005, 03:29:11 PM
From what I've heard so far from coaches and AD's in the CCC is that WNEC is definitly in for the fall of 07'.  With the addition of WNEC 6 schools (Gordon, RWU, Endicott, CSC, Salve, WIT) will split off to start a new conference.  I'm not definite on what schools stay with the top 6 (NEC maybe, good at lax and other conference sports), but the remaining teams look like they'll either be heading to the GNAC or will try to start a new conference with some other schools.  This is what the conference wants to do, but there are a lot of hurdles to get over to accomplish this.  Gaining WNEC is a step in the right direction though. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on November 23, 2005, 04:24:44 PM
Well guys its been a while. Chewning is back in the house. I missed you all. Not to get to personal but i just moved to NC and am living in the heart of the ACC. Big step up from the CCC. Anyway it looks like it is starting to get heated up in here already, which is nice to see. Be careful messing around with John. Most fathers dont like it when people bash their sons, I'm sure that you all can understand.

First and formost I would like to say "Hi" to some of my veterans in here.
CCC Fan
HoopsFan
John
RoyWilliams
Its nice to still see you guys in here.

As all of you know, i mostly will be talking about ENC and How we should all have great expectations for them in the future (us over here at ENC have been saying that for about the past 4 years, ever since we lost in the CCC champ or even sooner when we almost upset Endicott) Anyway, again...its doesnt look to good for us. We lost to Lesley in their 1st game ever, thats embarresing. And the Conn College wasnt even really a game from what I heard. "hey but we all go to college to get an education right?" Wrong, basketball in the CCC can be life at times.

My prediction this year is that again Colby will be in the finals and win it all. St. Clair will dominate. Hey John, Whats St.Clair planning on doing after colege? They got an awesome squad again and anyone who comes close to beating them should be satisified. Also, I have to give my credit to Curry College. Wynn has really bee outstanding for them. He keeps bring in the type of kids that will be great for his style of coaching and his program.

Who are some of the surprise players in the conference this year? Are their any?

Hope everyone enyoys the Thanksgiving Holiday and has safe travels. Coming from a true Naz Grad, be thankful for Gods grace.


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 23, 2005, 05:54:56 PM
Hey Chewning good to see you back on the board.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on November 24, 2005, 10:01:20 AM
 ;)  chewning...good to hear from you.will miss your insight on some of the games.i will always remember talking to you at csc and hope the future will be plesant for you and family.anyways as to what andrew has in store...he doesnt say much and wont until bb season is over,and i am the last to know as he likes to keep me guessing.anyways keep posting.........john
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on November 28, 2005, 10:41:54 AM
Well it looks like ENC is in some real trouble. They lost 2 games over the break and in those 2 games nobody scored more than 12 pooints, nobody has more than 6 rebounds and nobody played more than 27 minutes. It seems that again they are lacking any on court leadership and a person to count on to score. Over the last 3 years or so, I think it always took ENC at elast 6 games before they grabbed their first win. It looks like that wont change.

Coach Zink, seems to still be a bit confused with his lineup. He has had just about a different starting lineup every game. The only good thing about this team is that they have no seniors and potentially can bring everyone back next year. In that sense, that makes this entire year just practice.

I hope that everyone enjoyed their holiday and John, tell Andrew that said Hi. I had a couple of conversations with him over the 2 years that we played against eachother and he seemed like a great kid.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 28, 2005, 03:46:15 PM
Are you sure you're going to want to bring back a team like this next year?  Seems to me like some much needed recruiting is in order.  Because the way this team is shaping up, they are nothing more than target practice for everyone else in the CCC and beyond.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on November 29, 2005, 08:17:05 AM
Can't argue with that.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2005, 11:55:13 AM

ENC's problem still seems to be the rigidity of Zink's system.  From everything I've heard he's got good players sitting on the bench because they don't fit the system.  That may be fine if you have a strong program with a history of success, but this system has yet to work and won't so long as your recruits see no advantage to playing.  I know Zink is a great guy and a very good coach, but he needs to be more flexible.  ENC is not going to be competitive for many years, they need to work on building a program.  I thought Zink was headed that way, but this system is letting him down.

I assume that with the addition of WNEC, we'll see some shifting of teams out of the CCC to other conferences.  The GNAC looks to be restructuring and you could see the cellar-dwellers of the CCC in the GNAC in the near future.  The top teams want to distance themselves from the likes of Curry, Nichols, AMC, ENC and UNE.

An 8 team conference of WNEC, NEC, GC, CSC, RWU, SRU and WIT looks a lot better both atheltically and academically.  Certainly the teams in the CCC are moving in opposite directions and this change was inevitable.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2005, 12:00:07 PM
Tonight's games:

NEC @ Plymouth
ENC @ Mt Ida
WIT @ Becker
CC hosts Springfield
CSC vs Keene at NHIT
RWU hosts Framingham
SRU @ Wheaton (MA)
AMC @ Elms

EC is at Bates tomorrow night
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on November 29, 2005, 01:11:01 PM
I agree with your thoughs of Zink's system. He likes to talk a lot about transition and pushing the ball but at the same time, his players dont seem to have the freedom to that. Hes like to have full control of his players and the game. By doing so, he has limited some of the players. If you watch Wynn, he lets his kids play. They are disaplined players and know what they are allowed to do and what they arent. With Zink, there seems to be a sense that the players are holding something back. Players play their best when they are comfortable and not afraid to make mistakes. When playing for Zink, sometimes you feel like your on eggshells. Bad shot or turnover you can be pulled.

I agree that he is a great man and that one day he will be a great coach. He defentially has the leadership skills and desire to be great. I enjoyed playing for him most of the time, but just like any player/coach relationship you have your moments.

It seems like it's been a pretty long rebuilding stretch for ENC. They better get things rollin soon and start to get competitive.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 29, 2005, 03:57:14 PM
Tonight should shed some light on a few topics of discussion.  The first being CSC vs. Keene.  This game seems to be big for everyone in the CCC because it allows them to see how good CSC really is.  If CSC can put up a W tonight, I wouldn't be surprised if a few coaches around the league get a chill down their spine.

The next being RWU.  When their big man went down with an injury a few weeks ago, he apparently took the team moral with him from what I heard.  He was a good team player, and everyone seemed to enjoy his locker room presence.  This game, like CSC's game, will be a good indication of where they land in the CCC, especially after losing their big guy.

GC takes on MIT Thursday.  That has the makings of a high scoring game.  MIT's D'Auria is averaging 22 ppg this year.  The next close player on MIT is averaging 9.  If GC doesn't put the clamps down early on D'Auria it could be another frusterating defeat at the hands of the Engineers.  GC needs to put the scoring burden on the role players if they want to remain undefeated going into their first conference game against Salve this Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2005, 04:11:45 PM

CSC has gotten the better of KSC the last few years, I don't think a close win will tell us anything we don't know already, but a CSC win by 20 points would definately put the fear of God into people and surely make Amhearst glad they took the Chargers off the sched this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 29, 2005, 09:20:16 PM
Keene beats CSC in a great game tonite 81-80 with Dave Sontag of Keene hitting a turn around 30 footer with .7 seconds left to win the game.....wow!

bray had 2 FT's with 8 seconds left and bricked the front end and made the 2nd....

missed FT's haunt teams........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 30, 2005, 08:22:56 AM
Josh Carter led CSC with 19.  St. Clair had 12 pts and 11 boards.  Next up for CSC is Bowdoin.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2005, 09:47:22 AM

Spanos missed the front end of his 1 and 1 just before Bray's shots.  CSC has had some FT trouble in the past, maybe this is the evidence Foti needs to get through to the guys.  Great game though.  I figure these two teams are both top five or six in the region.  CSC still played poor defense.  I'm not sure where this is coming from; with essentially the same team as last year, you would expect a continuation of the good D.  Also Pat Kenny couldn't hit the broadside of a barn last night, which certainly contributed to the loss.  I guess we have to call KSC the better team because of the result, but I think CSC still has more to work with, if they can get it together.  CSC was also outrebounded, another rarity.

Impressive win by Salve over Wheaton 68-67.  Wheaton might not be that good this year, but I certainly didn't think SRU would take this one.  Grendal dominated with 20 and 14.  Steve Walsh had 17 and 7, including the winning bucket.  Woodworth had 13 and Coute only managed 6. SRU hit the boards hard 40-26... big factor.

Becker beat WIT 68-67.  Not good form for Wentworth.  Frankie Hall and PB&J both had 15.  I can't find a box score, so not much else to be told yet.

Elms over AMC 100-62.  Ouch.  Freshment Loussaint went 15 and 8 for AMC. DiTullio, another first year, went for 12.  Pocaro did squat and O'Malley didn't play; I'm wondering if he's even on the team this year... maybe an injury?  They just got totally rocked 50-18 at halftime and Elms played their bench the whole second half.  This could have been really ugly. Elms didn't even shoot well (8-30 from three).

RWU goes down to Framingham 59-62.  Their season is in free-fall for Roger Williams; they need to do something quickly.  RWU had a 14 point lead with 15 minutes to go.  They also committed 27 turnovers.  Cormier went 11 and 10, Wooley had 16 and Parrish had 13.  Turnovers killed them, but I'm not sure this game should have been so close to begin with.

58-76, ENC loses to Mt Ida.  ENC is, as in recent years, having trouble scoring in the rigid system.  ENC was actually leading early in the second half, but couldn't hold things together, giving Mt Ida their first win.  Freshmen Ricardo Jean-Noel (he's from Quebec; that's always fun) had 21 points, good signs for the future; this kid appears to be for real.  Corey had 11, transfer Seaberg had 10 and Jasmin pulled down 12 rebounds.  Duda went for 10 and 14.

Curry went down to Springfield 55-67. I wonder how this would have gone with a full CC squad.  Bartelle went for 22 and 7, Mohrin had 18 and Prescod went for 9 and 6; no one else did anything.  Springfield shot 40% to CC's 30 and outrebounded them 45-34.  Lamb was obviously missing from the middle as CC's big stiff got shut down completely once again.

NEC loses, predictably, to Plymouth State 47-73.  No box score.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: primetimeplayer on November 30, 2005, 01:48:12 PM
Some good games last nite...a little surprised tough about the NEC losing big and AMC losing HUGE....i heard NEC has a dominant center Kinglsye Oneychi?..anyone have more info on that?...also..in the AMC box score half the players on it were not on the roster, vice versa..and im positive porcaro is the best player on the team, terrible stats though, looking for adam o'malley, and a big factor Quincy Nunnaly, what happened to him? also a solid player nick cappello is missing...is AMC starting from scrath with all these new players...anyone have info on these two teams?  thanks  :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on November 30, 2005, 02:27:28 PM
Sad day for the CCC...We lose to Becker, Framingham and Elms all in the same night?  Not good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 30, 2005, 02:42:44 PM
Hayes,

Glad to see that you are still keeping in touch with the CCC.  I have to say GC looks good this year. How's life treating you?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BlazerFan on November 30, 2005, 02:47:24 PM
Don't forget Elms is a NCAA tourney team from last year, they won the NAC beating a good Lasell team and gave Salem St a good game at Salem in the tourney.  They only lost 1 kid from last year and gained a few good freshman and a juco transfer
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on November 30, 2005, 04:54:53 PM
Life is great.  I got married last month so I cannot complain.  God has been good.

I may have spoken to soon about the games tues night. I have to say I don't follow Elms or Framingham to closely...but I know that in the past they have not had the best teams.  Guess I thought RWU would take care of Framingham, maybe they have still not recovered from losing Gumb (?)  But I still feel that any team in the CCC should beat Becker...I can remember my jr yr they had a kid eating a snickers bar while running lay-up lines before a game...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on November 30, 2005, 10:19:22 PM
Endicott picked up a nice win tonite with a 52-52 win over a struggling Bates team, george got a pass from ellis while cutting to the basketball for the and-1 to take the lead, and ultimately the win

good win for EC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on November 30, 2005, 11:49:42 PM
I LOVE IT WHEN BASKETBALL GAMES END IN TIES!  You almost never see that.  Some might say that it's even impossible.  Luckly EC found a way to get the impossible done tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 01, 2005, 01:02:01 AM
haha my bad, typo....
53-52
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2005, 09:23:55 AM

EC with a nice win.  I don't care if they're struggling, any CCC win over the NESCAC is good in my book.  Bates did play very poorly, but its tough to know how much of that can be attributed to the EC defense.  EC shot only 15% from the arc themselves.  It's important to note that Zak Ray got shut down pretty well.  Matt George had 12 points to lead EC.


Onyechi was good and under the radar last season, but I would scarcely chance to call him dominant.

Also, it was Framingham's second consecutive win over the CCC.  The bottom of the conference is looking to be in sad shape this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2005, 09:32:41 AM

Tonight's games:

AMC hosts Becker
CSC @ Bowdoin
ENC hosts Framingham (second match-up between these two in a week)
GC @ MIT (this could be a grudge match; the engineers have gotten the best of the scots in recent years)
NC hosts Worcester State
RWU hosts RIC
SRU hosts Johnson & Wales
CC @ Trinity (CT) (Too bad Lamb isn't around to take on Tyler Rhoten)
WIT hosts Daniel Webster
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: rufus on December 01, 2005, 10:18:26 AM
Congrats to all the EC fans, your team has earned the respect of this Bates Bobcat fan.  Good luck the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 01, 2005, 11:12:10 PM
saw colby-sawyer lose to bowdoin tonite, man this game was ugly, 37-25 at the half and just sloppy play all around, csc is in trouble if they dont tighten things up realllly soon they wont be playing for a CCC championship

also anyone know why thorpe hasnt been suiting up??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 02, 2005, 12:07:27 AM
After a slow start, Gordon beat MIT 64-59 in OT. D'Auria hit a 3 with his foot on the line to send the game into overtime. Anyhow, Gordon stepped in up on the defense end when their offense was stalling. They're a solid 4-0 heading into the playoff rematch against SRU.

Marstaller lead the way with 22 points and 7 boards, and Logan also put up 20.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cant dog on December 02, 2005, 12:35:34 AM
A slow start for Gordon.  Collapsing defense by MIT and their height made scoring difficult.  I was surprised that Gordon had about 6 times as many fans as the Engineers seemed to have. 
It is interesting that there was only one lead change and as a GC fan that made the game easier to watch.  Several did question the foot on the line late in regulation, the screen was set high and if the refs had made a different call I would have wanted instant replay.  I believe they did right by giving the 3.  If GC had ended up losing I would probably sing a different song.
A tough game - a good win.  Vogelzang was the spark for the team and made it fun for the fans.  It is great to see teamwork and unselfish play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2005, 09:25:11 AM

Becker over AMC 74-69.  Becker is now 2-1 vs the CCC; I have to believe its their best record against us in a while, or perhaps ever.  No box.

CSC, as mentioned, goes down to Bowdoin 65-68.  They really are going to have to win the tourney; too many early losses will keep the SOSI way down.  Sad really, this team, while accomplishing a lot, has really underacheived over the last four years.  St. Clair 13 and 11.  Pat Kenny had 15, Butterworth added 10.  Bray went for 5 pts, 6 boards, 4 assists and 2 steals.  CSC outrebounded, but 27 turnovers is not going to cut it.  Maybe they can survive without defense, but not with poor ball control as well.

Curry, however, put down Trinity, yes that Trinity, even without their two best players.  67-62.  Can anyone say lookout CCC?  The big stiffs absent again (this is where I officially stop mentioning that) but Curry had no problem anyway.  Mohrin had 17, Prescod 16, Bartelle 14 and Marcus Jones had 10, while Lamarre had 14 boards.  I can't imagine how well these guys will be playing when Tim Jones and Lamb come back.  Outrageous.  Trinity shot 15% from the arc and Rhoten had 22 and 16, but apparently they played well enough.  They came back down 13 at the half, just a good showing all around for Curry.

GC over MIT in OT 64-59.  Logan and Marstaller carry GC with 20 and 22 respectively.  Free Throws helped them win in the same way it cost CSC the other day.  Good game; shows a lot of promise.

Nichols over Worcester State 72-67.  Justin Lewis had 18, Butler had 14 and Ron Powers had 11, including 3-3 from three (as far as I know; he's not a shooter).  Nice win.  Chris Vallee put in ten.  Worcester doesn't look to be too good, but they played really bad.  I'll give some credit to NC.

RIC over RWU in OT 80-77.  RIC has been playing really well, so this is actually a great result for RWU, seeking to get back on track.  I know there is a box score, but the internet is giving me trouble getting to it.  Either way, this is progress for the recovery of RWU.

SRU over Johnson and Wales 60-55.  Grendal went for 13 and 15, beginning to pick up Gumb's slack.  Hazzard had 16 and Coute 12.  Salve only shot 50% from the line, but hit a bunch of big ones down the stretch for the win.

WIT over Daniel Webster 84-60.  Wentworth allowed nearly 50% shooting, but dominated on the boards and took an extra 25 shots during the game.  WIT really has some great rebounders; could be a nice assest, especially if they convert well.  Hall had 12, Cappa had 10.  PB went for 11 pts 4 assists, while Doyle had 10 pts and 5 assists.  They are playing ten guys 12 minutes or more; a solid, deep team.  I'm not saying they will get anywhere, but they can scare some people pretty good.

ENC goes down to Framingham for the second time in a week, 53-79.  John Riuru and Colby Dasilva (two guys I've never heard of) led ENC with 14 and 13 respectively.  ENC rebounded well, but committed 32 turnovers and allowed 55% shooting from the floor.  I wonder if Corey got hurt, he played only five minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2005, 09:28:41 AM

This weekend:

EC plays Hamilton Friday night at the Wesleyan tournament.

On Saturday:

EC gets the winner or loser of Wesleyan and Mitchell
CC @ Christopher Newport

Then the start of CCC play

NC @ CSC
WIT @ UNE
SRU @ GC
NEC @ ENC
AMC @ RWU

It will be imteresting to see the Salve-Gordon game; these seem to be the two teams playing best right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on December 02, 2005, 11:36:57 AM
The home teams in the CCC should handle their business this weekend.  The only team I could see losing at home is ENC, but they do get some great crowds down there and could pull off the win.  RWU should take care of AMC at home even without Gumb.  CSC should not have a problem with Nichols unless they go turnover crazy again.  Gordon and Salve may be the most competitve game, but I say GC by 8...UNE over WIT by 10.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2005, 02:34:06 PM

With all due respect Hayes, all you ever saw was the crowds for the Gordon game, which were generally the only good ones they've managed recently at ENC.  From what I hear on campus and the pathetic offensive display from the team, I doubt there will be too many people showing up to witness the carnage.  I'm not sure they can even beat NEC this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 02, 2005, 02:43:04 PM
 Until next Tuesday, SRU at GC is the biggest game of the year so far.  Not only for both teams, but for the CCC also.  SRU has been a thorn in GC's side for the last couple of seasons.  Especially last year when they routed GC when GC traveled to SRU for the first conference game of the year, and again when they emerged victorious during the Quarter Finals in the playoffs last year.  Just like MIT, GC needs to beat SRU in order to shake the proverbial "demons" and focus on teams like EC, CSC and CC.

SRU needs their double-double man Grendal to come through and then some.  Walsh and Coute are going to need to raise their season averages, and their bench play is going to have to be superb in addition.  If SRU can hammer GC on the boards, and get hot from beyond the arc, they have as good a shot as any of giving GC their first loss of the season.

To win this game, GC is going to need to have all their usual suspects show up for this one.  Marstaller will need to post his regular double-double, Logan and Kauffman are going to need to be the leaders they are expected to be and Herr will have to be an assassin from the arc.  The GC bench needs to continue to stay hot as well.  With players like the Beebe brothers, Vogelzang and Hassler performing to the best of their ability, GC should feel confident, but not cocky going into this game.  And add in the X-factor of GC's crowd, affectionately known as the "PIT" and GC has the makings for a big conference win.  GC by 13.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on December 02, 2005, 03:44:58 PM
Hey everyone.  I'll be back again this year to give the fun reports from ENC.  As as student I get all the inside info so any questions can be sent my way.  Don't rely too much on Chewning.  The kid lives in North Carolina and is still too caught up in his playing days to realize he doesn't go to school anymore.  But I got nothing but love for ya Chewns. 

As for last nights game, no comments are needed.  They lack a person on the floor that wants to shoot.  Ruiru(freshmen) and DaSilva seemed to be the leaders out there... but thats sad coming from freshmen.  But it does look good for the future. 

I do want to comment on all the talk about restructuring the conference.  I dont understand why all these schools seem to think they deserve to play in a more competitive league.  Through the early 90's ENC was a powerhouse in pretty much every sport... so they have had a bad run for the past few years.  If the CCC teams were blowing out other conference teams that would make more sense, but from looking at all the scores, they arent..  Maybe the CCC teams arent as good as a lot of you guys think they are.  Just a thought.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on December 02, 2005, 04:17:50 PM
Hoops Fan,

I don't know if you realized it or not, but last year was a huge improvement for NEC.  Not so much for the conference record (4-12) but 12-14 overall is much better than a 2-21 (2004) and 2-22 (2003).  I also remember them splitting the season series with GC.  I remember watching them at GC and playing tough for a little while during the first half but ultimately being exposed with a strong zone defense.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on December 02, 2005, 04:46:29 PM
the_cru,

The restructuring of the league comes down to more then just basketball.  I know as a soccer player at Gordon that we waste 3 to 4 games a year playing the lower half teams in the CCC.  These are games that could be scheduled against tougher opponents (We have to turn down games from teams in the NEWMAC and NESCAC every year because our schedule is already filled), not only improving the strength of our schedule but also giving us a chance to improve as a team overall. 

The top 8 teams already listed have shown to be academically or athletically consistent over the past 10 years.  While ENC had a good run back in the 1990's, the likelyhood of them or some of the other lower CCC teams actually becoming contenders in the future in more then one sport is unlikely.  While the top 8 teams may not be dominating against teams outside the CCC right now, they still compete with most teams in New England and with a smaller league there will be opportunities for the CCC to become one of the stronger New England Conferences. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2005, 04:49:29 PM
No, I was on the NEC bandwagon to make the #4 slot last year the whole time.  They had a great line-up of young players.  I'm not sure how many of them return as they are notoriously the worst at keeping up the website (an amazing feat in the technologically sedated CCC).

THeir overall record was inflated by about the weakest schedule this side of Potsdam, but even with that it was a marked improvement.  I'm not sure I can automatically elevate them to a playoff position, especially with the potential improvements of both WIT and UNE.  The games will definately have to decide things.  All that to say, while NEC is improving they are still near enough the bottom for me to feel justified in using them in the manner I did.  Still, look out for Onyechi.  He could dominate in the paint tomorrow.


Cru, the last I checked, Ruiru was a transfer Soph, so easy on dissing Chewns... cast the first stone and all.  Glad to see you back this year.

No one has picked up on Curry beating Trinity last night?  This is a huge victory.  Granted Trinity played like crap, but Curry is missing their TWO best players here.  We all knew the rest of the guys were capable of putting a night like that together, but can any of us say we thought it would happen?  Trinity is arguably the second best team in the region's best conference.  Rhoten got his points and CC limited the supporting cast.  Maybe we don't have any Curry supporters on here, but something had to be said about it.  Big win for the conference as a whole.


Finally, the restructuring.  As far as the early-mid 90's ENC teams, they were very good, but I'm not sure there even was a CCC then.  If so, it was certainly not anything like the present configuration.  The bottom line is that many of the schools have made concerted efforts of late to make their academics more rigorous and improve the overall condition of the athletic programs.  It's not meant to be derogatory for the other schools, but just a fact.  CSC, NEC, RWU, SRU, WIT and GC certainly have solid academic reputations.  NEC is one of the more prestigious small privates in New England.  EC pretends to be smart, and maybe they are getting there, but they certainly put an emphasis on athletic superiority and they have lots of money.  WNEC is a good fit for the group as well.

I'm not exactly certain who will be in the "new" conference or even when it will happen, but it's about time for a split.

The GNAC has some good schools and there will probably be a lot of shifting around in the near future.  It happens, especially in d3... I wouldn't worry about it.

I know the ENC folks are worried about losing the old rivalry with Gordon, but the two schools were rivals long before they were in the same division, let alone the same conference.  And even though GC has been pretty dominant lately, their rich alumni sat at the Garden in the 70's to watch the two teams play just like ENC's did.  That rivalry won't die.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2005, 04:56:03 PM

Well said AJ.  It's really not a shot at the lower tier schools, but its a fact of different futures and mission.  ENC, AMC, UNE, etc, while fine academic institutions are designed to be more open and available to students of all backgrounds and abilities.  This is a great mission and sometimes a better atmosphere for their target group.  Other schools focus on an elite academic level.  While few in the CCC qualify as "elite" at this point, many are working towards that aim.  Different philosophies (and budgets) really do make it tough for these schools to be so linked.  I still think ENC is a great place to send your kid to college; it just doesn't have the same mission or vision as, say an NEC.

Sports is a big factor too and money is an issue here as well.  Some of the smaller schools have smaller budgets and sink less money into their athletics.  I hope you would agree that while varsity sports are an important part of the college experience, they shouldn't not dominate the academics.  If a school can't afford to compete in a bunch of sports, then they shouldn't try.  A twelve school conference does hold back some of the growing programs.  There is a reason the NESCAC is an 8 team league.

It's not a bad move for the smaller schools either.  I'm sure in the midst of the program (re)building Coach Zink would be glad to not be locked into games with both EC and CSC in the same year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 02, 2005, 07:05:39 PM
as far as the restructuring goes, another thing to consider is current independent schools in new england Newbury and St. Joseph's (Maine) will likely be looking to join a conference in the next 2 or 3 years or so.  I know St. Joeseph's currently has their baseball team in the NAC but to what I understand they want something better and I had heard awhile back that the CCC was a real good possibility.... something to think about for around 2008
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 02, 2005, 07:11:54 PM
I think that everyone in this site is only speculating and no one has any factual basis to make claims about what teams are leaving, why they are leaving or if they are leaving.  How about we all stick to the things we know?  And those things we know are CCC basketball teams, and the players on them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 02, 2005, 07:30:51 PM
it would be great if the CCC was realigned. it seems the top schools are really starting to distance themselves not only in athletic talent, but academically as institutions and overall in quality of athletic facilities. if these top schools could branch off and form a new conference, a "poor man's" NESCAC if you will, i think it would help elevate all their programs for competition around New England, and eventually nationally.

The tough part would be what to do with an Endicott or a UNE? Endicott certainly has the athletics of a superior institution as well as endowment and stadiums, but academically they struggle. This would hurt any new conference from becoming a NESCAC. The NESCAC school's pride themselves in getting kids who can't/don't want to go to IVY league to play sports, but maybe could get in academically. UNE has a good rep as far as academics and is solid in sports, so i don't think they should necessarily be grouped with an AMC of the world.

does anyone know how feasible conference change really is and what say the NCAA has on it? And how long does it take a new conference to gain postseason eligibility? How many teams do you need?

st joes would be interesting on the basketball side as for the past 10 years or so they had one of the strongest programs in New England. they have fallen back this last year and current year because of a coaching mishap by the AD's office, but before were one of the best.

I agree with Hoops, it's nice to see two CCC teams beat the perennial top of the NESCAC, and none of their names are Colby Sawyer.  And while Bates is down, and Trinity probably isn't as strong as ever, they are both solid regional teams. The fact Curry won, on the road, without Lamb is frankly scary. I'm interested to see how EC does tonight against Hamilton.

Decemeber 6th is coming.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 02, 2005, 07:47:00 PM
also i want to applaud hoops for bringing up something that seems rather taboo on this board; CSC, for the past 2 seasons, is underachieving at best. Every year, everyone writes how CSC is head and shoulders above the rest of the conference or how Tyler Putnam is the greatest D3 player in the country (never to suit up).

sure they put up the gaudy conference records, upset some keene states or bates of the world, battle a Williams or Amherst,  but for the past two seasons fall short of the NCAA, let alone the conference championship.

now im not saying they don't deserve all their credit, or that they are paper champions.  heck the buffalo bills and atlanta braves have been great teams. but what i am saying is bray is a suspect guard at best, kenny is a dime a dozen guard on most teams, and st clair can't do it all himself. in fact some might float the pat ewing/joe thorton theory this way.

look, foti is a great coach, CSC is a storied program and they deserve to get attention as one of the solid teams in New England. But Ronald Regan ain't walking through that door. They can be beat at home. Endicott's, Curry's, maybe even Gordon's and Rogers/Salves have narrowed the gap considerably. Posters shouldn't be ramroded for saying they dont think CSC will win it this year. Sure, they go will 13-3, maybe 14-2. But, for the past two seasons they have fallen short of their goal. And frankly if they don't get it done this year, I would consider their senior class a disappointment. The times are a changing my friend, and CSC is still a good team, but certainly not a lock for the title.     
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 02, 2005, 08:25:37 PM
i got a chance to see colby-sawyer play last night for the first time in over a year, i was expecting another year of seasoned players gelling together...but i saw just the opposite...
heres what i saw...
st clair finished the game with 13 and 11...not to mention a Technical foul which doesnt suit him as a player, but anyways.... it seemed like he played his game but his teammates failed to utilize him as they have in their past and allow him to lead them to wins, he was fighting and getting great position but not getting the ball, or when they do look for him its the wrong time, but in all when he got it something effective happened, hes a solid passer and can find people, and isnt a selfish player, so if this team wants to return to previous years form they NEED to get him many many more touches than he got last night anyways...

Pat Kenny- first time i had gotten to see him since his freshmen year, um wow looked like a tottally different player, extrememly unorthodox and i still struggle in my mind to figure out how hes effective with his form, and overall style of play, but the point is he is and thats all that matters, but the biggest thing i noticed was teams obviously have his scouting report and are beginning to neutralize him which doesnt make him the player he was his freshmen year when he was kinda an unknown and people had no idea what to expect, i dont see Kenny as becoming the player he showed he could become during his fantastic freshmen year.

Butterworth- this kid plays hard, he seems like the heart to the team a defensive specialist, took 3 charges in 4 mintues that were VERY crucial in CSC comback attempt last night, he can stick the open shot as well...really an underrated player but nothing a solid defensive team couldnt shut down, but his defensive value is very obvious for foti's team.

Matt Spanos- kid seemed like a real solid player, def a plus to have a big body like his around and fundamentally seemed sound, a good compliment to st clairs style of play

Josh Carter- very solid guard off the bench, good handle, smart player, gets to the hole well with good vision/passing ability, shooting might be suspect as i didnt see a whole lot, but what i did see was iffy at best (probably is a solid shooter though)

Tyler Fournier-  solid combo guard, nothing too special, not a real big threat to score but can stick if u let him, good defender, probably his biggest asset

colin bray- this kid has to be the most overrated player in the ccc, he seems to have gotten worse from his freshmen year on, just an erratic guard who i would never want running my team, makes mental errors that sr points shouldnt ever be making, very undersized and doesnt make up for it in anyway whatsoever, most real solid d3 teams in new england would have him as a 3rd string pg at best, maybe backup for some mid-good d3 NE teams, and im not basing this on one game, im basing it on many multiple games

where is Thorpe??  CSC needs him like now! and where is the patented Colby-Sawyer in your face helpside defense?????

this team is in desperate trouble after st clair needs, so they better make what they can of this season cause from next year on they will drop off immensely
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: met_fan on December 02, 2005, 09:00:45 PM
Endicott loses to Hamilton 75-60.  Don't know any details.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2005, 11:46:38 AM

As much as it is out of character for him, St Clair needs to get vocal and let his team know they have to get things together.  He's such a good player, but its time he gets vocal.  Broke Ya Ankles confirmed it for me, Foti has done as much as he can do, its time for the seniors to step up and lead that team.

For EC Nemanja had 14 and George 13.  The defense let them down, allowing 40% for Hamilton.  I think the key to that EC success is the FG% defense.  It certainly keeps them in games, even when they don't play well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 03, 2005, 04:51:10 PM
Gordon beat Salve 69-64. After falling behind by 6 early in the second half, Gordon really got on their horse and pulled out the comeback, sparked by a throw down by Jon Marstaller. Schnackenberg, who I predicted to have a break out year, also led the team in the come back. Kaufman, Vogz, and Mike Herr also got hot from the arc.

Overall, Gordon played well, as did Salve. Next Tuesday is going to be bigger and more important for Gordon when they go to EC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 03, 2005, 07:19:58 PM
Let's not pat ourselves on the back just yet there dwebbs.  Schnack played well, yes.  But I still think we are far from saying this is a "break out" year.  While I'm as big a fan of Schnack-Attack as the next guy, this is his first game in double digits.  If he can continue this type of play on a consistent basis, then, and only then will your prediction come to fruition.

The game however was one of the worst played games for GC thus far this year.  There was no flow and no "team" concept until 7 minutes left in the game.  Had Marstaller not thrown down on the fast break, GC might never have ignited a comeback, and could very easily be looking at a 0-1 conference record.  Herr had an off night, and everyone else was playing average at best.  John Beebe once again led the team in plays "unable to be recorded," while Marstaller did his normal damage down low.  Kauffman turned it on late, and the consistent play of Logan down the stretch was the key to GC emerging victorious.

With one conference win in their back pocket, GC can finally give EC all their attention. Beverly Mass should be flying off the hinges come Tuesday night, with all the makings of a heavy weight bout.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 03, 2005, 10:26:04 PM
john beebe is playing amazing this year. in the time he is getting, he is making what seems like everything from beyond the arc. but to say he led the team in "plays unable to be recorded" is an insult to kaufman, who runs the offense. there is more to a game than scoring, and i think kaufman showed that with 41 minutes and 5 points at MIT.

I don't think either it was one of GC's wosts games. they stuggled at times, but like i said, there is more to a game than offense. and as far as schnack, i just think this is the first game of him doing what he is capable of. we'll see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on December 04, 2005, 11:50:44 AM
Man, sucks for curry. They lost to Christopher Newport because they had six men on the court. The coach must want to kill somebody. Especially because christopher newport is a very good quality opponent. Curry has to be legit this year, especially without their two best players. It is good to see them finally stepping up and playing to their talent level.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on December 04, 2005, 12:23:53 PM
Colby-Sawyer 88, Nichols 78

--St. Clair: 19 points, 13 rebs
--Bray: 13 pts

--Butler: 22 pts
--Lewis: 20

I agree Hoops, time to see some senior leadership out there for CSC.  Also, its time the Chargers learn to wake up after any bus ride longer than a half hour. CSC teams have been falling asleep on road games for quite a few seasons.  It must be a team tradition that is passed down year after year. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Rachel Ray on December 04, 2005, 06:00:42 PM
RWU beat Anna Maria 71-59
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 04, 2005, 07:44:20 PM
Rachel I love your 30 Minute Meals! Plus I have all your cookbooks.  Good luck with your up coming marriage.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on December 05, 2005, 07:54:10 AM
hmm on the d3hoops scoreboard it says Anna Maria beat RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 11:44:29 AM

Roger Williams did indeed win that game, but d3hoops has it wrong only because RWU submitted the score incorrectly.  71-59.  Also know as the Geoff Barranger coming out party.  Remember the seven footer we spent all summer of 2004 talking about, he's a sophomore know, and apparently very dominant over bad teams: 20 and 14 on 10-14 shooting.  Parrish had 17 and 9, Cammobrecco had 14 and Cormier had 7 assists.  Griffin had 11 points from the bench.  I guess RWU finally woke up from the shock.  For AMC Loussaint had 18 and MacDonald, 14.  Everyone from last year's squad whose names we might recognize have apparently transfered, quit or have died.

Curry 65 Christopher Newport 68.  Even with the dumb mistake, I can't imagine Wynn is too mad at his boys.  They are really performing well without TJones and Lamb.  Bartelle had 18, Mohrin 15, Largesse 12 and Marcus Jones 11.  Curry played really well, too bad for the technical at the end.  It forced them to foul with 7 seconds to go.  Tough loss, but a great performance.  They will be dangerous.

CSC over Nichols 88-78.  Another weak performance by CSC.  Thorpe's got mono; he's out until after Christmas.  St clair had 19 and 13, Spanos added 12, Bray had 13.  Kenny struggled shooting again.  Szelinga had 12 off the bench.  For NC Lewis had 20, Butler had 22, Valle had 12, Mercer 10.  The emergence of the young guys is allowing Butler more freedom of movement after being doubled constantly last year.  Nichols should be much improved and will challenge Salve and RWU for the #2 spot down south, I think.

GC over Salve 69-64, and are lighter one monkey.  Marstaller had 17, Kauffman and Schnackenberg had 13 a piece.  No boxscore, oddly enough.

NEC over ENC 82-70.  Five guys in double figures for NEC.  Jaziri led the way with 21, Montrod went 19 and 6 with 5 steals and 4 assists, 12 from Onyechi, 11 from Quinn and Sylvia went 10 and 10.  This is a solid squad with a decent home court advantage... they could be the monkey wrench this season.  ENC got 13 from Christian Corey, 11 from Jasmin, 10 from Duda and 10 points from Marcellus, Dan Shaw had 13 points off the bench.  They might be a good match for AMC, especially if all those guys from AMC are indeed not playing this year.  The North just keeps looking stronger and stronger.  UNE got much better and they still may finish last.

WIT over UNE 83-79.  Prezzie Blue had a horrible game shooting 2-12, but Todd Doyle picked up the slack with 23.  16 from Bolton and 12 from Hall.  UNE was led by 22 from Farynaz, 14 from Stinkney and 11 from Marriott.  McManus only played 25 minutes, presumably with foul trouble, he scored 10.  Farynaz is back aswell.  This class of juniors was certainly down last year, but with RWU's Parrish picking things up as well, they may be out of the Sophomore slump.

EC over Mitchell in the consolation game of the Wesleyan Tournament 83-60.  Marinkovic 14 and 12, Ellis 13, George 14.  They seemed to phone this one in.  The bench played a lot of minutes and Mitchell isn't exactly an impossing foe.  I think they were pretty disappointed with the loss Friday night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on December 05, 2005, 02:54:49 PM
Any predictions for Gordon at Endicott tomorrow?

  - Marstaller has been playing amazing all year, and if Mike Herr can get back to his usual form after two slow games, I think GC will keep their undefeated season alive.  I like Gordon by 4 in a close one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 02:59:08 PM

I'm not sure if this EC team will be down because of the weekend or inspired because of the weekend.  Either way this has become the biggest game in the CCC in recent years and its bound to be packed.  I think the home surroundings are big for EC.  I have no idea and those are the games worth going to see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 05, 2005, 03:28:37 PM
Going into "The Nest" (weakest home court name ever) is never an easy task for GC and the GC faithful.  That fact along gives EC a 4-6 point advantage right off the bat, anyone who has been their for one of these games will attest to that opinion.  You also have to be concerned with GC's lethargic start their last two games.  If one finds them self down at EC early on, getting back into contention is almost impossible (see GC 04-05 season).  With the leadership of George, Ellis, and Darko, EC has as legitimate a shot as ever at upending GC, and ruining their unbeaten season.

That being said, GC still has to be favored in this game.  They've only lost one player from a team that played well against EC at EC last year in that of Scott Allenby.  With only that minor set back working against them, GC has a lot of positives on their side.  They are a better rebounding team now this year, something that devastated them at EC last year.  They have a better low post presence with Marstaller, Schnack, and Marino.  Their sophomores now have a year under their belt, and understand the enormity of the GC/EC rivalry.  All that, combined with the stellar play from their deep bench, their passion to win one on EC's court, and a lesser EC team this year, makes for a GC win.

I say GC by 7.  The game, however, will be much closer.  Free Throws widen the gap.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on December 05, 2005, 03:28:54 PM
To tell you the truth, there really is no home court advantage when it comes to GC and EC.  The schools are literally 5 minutes away from each other.  Just like the Pats, I can never bet against GC.  I will take them by 6.  One other prediction, Markovic will not beat them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 03:57:46 PM

That's a big prediction, seeing as how EC's only saving grace last year was the improved play of Nemanja against the Scots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 05, 2005, 04:37:55 PM
besides the proverbial times when the teams meet and one school is out on break, the Post center provides the loudest atmosphere of the two venues. That is not a knock on the Gordon faithful, rather alot of Endicott students don't come to the Bennett, and if they do they aren't very loud. Not that they would compete with the PIT even if they tried, but for the most part the biggest crowds are when the game is at Endicott. EC does have a good home crowd, and Gordon, while it doesn't get as many students as it should, gets the heart of the student body over there and provides some good banter. It is too bad these teams meet so early every year, because the atmosphere can really be electric. I'm still waiting for the dream matchup of a GC-EC semifinal CCC game, as it was just missed the last two years. 

Either way, the home team does have an advantage. At both courts, only the home crowd can get on the floor, as the opposing bleachers at both the Bennett and the Post force you to sit about 5 rows up behind the bench, and no where near the court.

The Post center will be rocking from both sides Tuesday no doubt. I know the PIT is pretty amped about this game.  The two big guns for each team seem to be stuggling a bit (Herr and George), so I expect whoever plays better as a team will win. I think Gordon already has an identity (forged by great chemistry and tough wins when they played poorly--a mark of a great team), while EC is still trying to find theirs. Thus, I think GC will win by 3. Any time these teams meet it pretty much comes down to the last 1 or 2 possessions. 

Another matchup to watch is whether GC can finally defend Darko. I look for Marstaller to roll regardless as Darko is a terrible defender and probably won't even be on Jon, but I am interested to see if Gordon can finally keep him off the offensive glass and stop him from dropping 20 plus. If he goes off, EC will steal the win.

Its a HUGE game for the fans, but too early for either team to really make a statement, although Gordon has more to gain than EC. Basically you can look at it as Red Sox-Yankee game in May.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 05:50:16 PM

We know the big game tomorrow; here is the rest of the Tuesday line-up:


UNE @ CSC
NEC @ WIT
AMC @ SRU
ENC @ CC
GC @ EC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 05, 2005, 06:45:43 PM
Wow lots of banter about the EC vs. GC match-up can't wait untill 8:00pm tommorrow night.  Let give my prediction as someone that has been at every Gordon game this year with the exception of their romp at Johnson State.  This year's edition of Gordon is the best I have seen in quite a some time.  Thus far this season the only game that I would say the were firing on all cylinders was there first game of the year.  This year it has been their D that has won them games, not the 3-ball which I like.

Marstaller is having another solid year and I look for him to put up his ussual 18 and 8 against EC to lead the way.  Also look for Herr to finally find his groove on the offensive side and step it up tommorrow night.  Logan and Kaufman have been solid all year and look for their play in the back court, my feeling is, as they go so goes GC.  But the great thing about this team is showing up to the game and finding out who is going to be guy that is going to step up that night, it has been Vogelzang an couple times, John Beebe and Shnackenberg was big on Saturday.

As for Endicott they are looking good this year and unlike AKIRK
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 05, 2005, 07:08:45 PM
Sorry got a little trigger happy. Cont.

Unlike AKIRK Marinkovic scares me I have yet to see a game where he has not dominated the Scots.  Marinkovic plays, in my opinion, a lot like Grendal of Salve, and he gave Gordon some trouble on Saturday.  ROY WILLIAMS you said you think George is off a slow start I am not so sure.  Anytime oy lose a floor leader and player the caliber of Oxton the impact is huge.  Especially in this case I think it goes far beyond his stats but, now defenses can key on Georgre and he does not have an experinced point man feeding him the ball.  I think George is going to put up about 14 and 6 a game, a good stat line but not what many expected.

My prediction for the "GAME" (its big enough to have a title), I say Gordon by 7.  Look for Herr to break out and have a big night and expect Marstaller, Logan and Kaufman to put up their ussual numbers.  I am expecting an big game out of Marinkovic as ussual against Gordon and George and Ellis to hit their averages.  The difference will be someone from Gordon's bench stepping up and Gordon's ability to get to the line 28 times a game versus Endicott's 11 through 4 games.  Final score 71-64 Gordon.

I can't wait for the game, Gordon will bring some fans though we may be hampered by end of the semester studies.  One final thought GSMIZZEL22, after talking yourself up all preseason and making yourslef sound like an all-conference player, you better bring it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 05, 2005, 11:15:25 PM
I think the downlow play of of Marstaller and Schnack is going to have a huge impact on the GC/EC game this year. Darko isn't anything as good as his offense, and I think those two will both have big games. Like everyone else, I expect the other three starters, Kaufman, Logan and Herr, to step up big time for this game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on December 06, 2005, 12:15:16 AM
Is there any Endicott fans out there?

Not that I mind that Gordon represents itself well on this board, but a little dissent and banter from EC would be a nice touch.  Maybe we should have told that EC player to keep posting, at least we would of had someone to argue with.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on December 06, 2005, 12:22:06 AM
First of all, Maq Diesel, I would hardly say that I talked myself up to be an all-conference player.  Actually what i did was try and point out that we have people on our team other than the "big three" that you all constantly talk about.  Anyway, that is beside the point.  I agree with all of you when you say that this will be a very good, competitive game, cuz it always is.  Anytime you have two teams that don't really like each other, there is goin to be a good game.  As for score predictions, I am goin to refrain.  There is no point in tryin to guess the score. I will say the same thing that I have said all along......well just have to wait and see
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 06, 2005, 12:28:07 AM
horrifying. where is coach k? can someone from endicott please stand up, please stand up? you are all like wah wah wah im not going to guess a score (good actually because i would accuse you of point shaving) but wah wah 'we have a good team' wah wah wah 'were ok' wah wah 'we are underrated' wah wah 'we have some bench players who can play' wah wah wah 'you guys are good too though' shut up and be from endicott. have no class son!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: sean_singletary on December 06, 2005, 12:42:27 AM
MARSTALLER
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on December 06, 2005, 08:18:25 AM
I am not saying that Marinkovic will not have a good game.  I am stating that the only times EC has really put it to GC is when the rest of the team plays like it should.  Last year Marinkovic played great one of the games and EC won by less than 5 points.  The other game Marinkovic played so-so but the rest of the team performed as expected and blew GC by 15+.  I just think that over defending Marinkovic is not the key to success against EC.

Herr needs to step up.  the last two games he has severly underperformed.  Maybe its due to a long thanksgivings layoff or maybe due to finals but GC needs him to go out there and be a beast.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2005, 09:23:33 AM

OK we said we didn't want to see current players posting, which is a pretty standard policy across the boards.  However, if we're going to follow that, we need to avoid calling them out publically.


That being said, lots of good stuff in your post Maq.  I agree that EC has performed well after losing Oxton, far better than I would have expected, but your point about fouls is a very good one.  Oxton would have gotten to the line and made the big plays.  If someone from EC steps into that role in this game, then I think EC can win.  We haven't truly seen it yet.  The EC guys have picked up the scoring slack, but there is still some floor leadership and responsibility to be had.  Not to knowck EC, they have done so well with all the knocks against them (losing Oxton, new coach, etc), but GC has earned respect thus far this season and I'll have to say they come in the favorite.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Marv Albert on December 06, 2005, 10:30:50 AM
Hello friends.  Yes it is I, your beloved friend Marv.  You all know I couldn't pass up an opportunity to give an opinion or two concerning an EC/GC game.  But before I do let me first say hello to Hoops, Roy and Sean, it's good to see you boys, it's been awhile.

Now that we have all the formalities out of the way lets get down to business.  Even though EC is having what everyone is calling an "off year," they are incredibly dangerous on their home turf.  George is a stellar player who can easily light it up beyond the arc, or take it inside and turn someone into a poster.  Although he does in fact miss Oxton, come tonight, he will do everything in his power to will his Gulls to a W.

I'm not so sold on Ellis yet.  Last year Ellis was a non-factor, and failed to make any difference what-so-ever in the "Game."  He is putting up good stats thus far this year, but there is only one game that really matters, so I reserve my opinion on him until the game concludes.

Darko is Darko.  He is going to get his O boards and his D boards.  He will put up double digits again tonight as he always does.  That's something GC understands.  What GC can not do is turn him into a hero.  If they begin playing him tough, by pushing him around down low, and establish themselves as defensive foes, I think he will play to his average and no more.  If they let him get 20 and 20, which he is more than capable of doing against GC, this game has to go in EC's favor.

GC on the other hand has a lot more positives to build on.  With Marstaller giving St. Clair a run for his money in the POY category, he is always a threat to have a huge night.  His offensive low post presence has increased dramatically this year, along with his defense.  EC will have their hands full by trying to double team him tonight.

When that double team goes down low Herr is going to have to begin torching it from 3 ball land.  He has been cold as of lately, but as all good shooters know, you keep shooting until you make it. 

Logan and J.Kauff need to control and lead the team like they have done so well this year.  With Kauffmans flair for the dramatic, and Logans tendency to play a more organized form of bball, this backcourt is difficult to scout, and even more difficult to guard.  They will hit their averages tonight, but their assist totals need to elevate.

But the difference for both teams is bench play.  GC's bench is far superior to EC's.  EC's bench is too concerned with posting instead of getting mentally prepared for the game.  GC's bench on the other hand has veteran leadership, talented players, as well as players who have played in these big games before.  A solid bench, mixed with solid starters, makes for a solid win tonight for the Scots.  You have to like GC by 5+ when the night is all said and done.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 06, 2005, 07:10:59 PM
Well seeing that I already weighed in on the GC @EC matchup I thought I would make some predictions regarding tonights other action.

UNE @ CSC- The Chargers should take care of business at home tnight but not before a scare from and pesky UNE squad 75-62 but it will be a closer game than the final score indicates.

NEC @ WIT- Look for PB+J to find his stroke and as a much improved Leopards squad handles NEC @ home 88-78

AMC @ SRU-  I don't know much about AMC except they are BAD.  Salve looked good at Gordon over the weekend and tey win big at home 84-62

ENC @ CC-  If a shutout was possible in Basketball that would be my prediction because ENC is that BAD and CC is that GOOD.  CC should win by 30+ points, you think that is bold wait until TJones and Lamb are back, CC 81-49.

Well of the the big one can't wait to check the board tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 06, 2005, 10:24:42 PM
endicott beats gordon by 15

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 06, 2005, 10:44:12 PM
colby-sawyer beats UNE tonite by 20+

st clair had a BIG game going for 34 and 14

hopefully csc gets back on track now...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 07, 2005, 12:41:19 AM
WOW is all I can say.  EC played a good game and GSMIZZEL22 showed up nicely, so props to both on a big win.  I think Endicott played tonight like they realized that if they didn't win tonight they could very well go in to the break with a 3-6 record.  The Post Center was very loud right from the start and both teams got off to very sluggish starts as there werent 10 total points scored in the first 10 minutes.  The difference in the game was that EC got hot and GC did not.  The 12-0 run, which featured two big dunks by EC and dagger of a three by Corbett, essentially was the difference in the game.  It took a long time for Gordon to find its rythm on deffence and I think they left their offence is Wenham, becasue it was nowhere to be found.  Once they found figgured out their deffence they dominated, the 8 blocks listed in the EC box score is a real low total and suspect at best, it was probably more like 12-15.  The second half was pretty even, neither team playing well at all.  The good new for GC fans is, it can't get any worse than it was tonight.  I called him out so I will be the first to say that Corbett was the difference, George, Ellis and Marinkovic were average at best.  Don't be fooled by Nemanja numbers, 10 of his points were garbage buckets after the game was over.  I stil think Gordon is one of the Top three teams in this league despite tonight's outcome, but if they don't find their offensive rythm they are going to be in trouble.  If Gordon brings their offence with them next time look out, also notice the fouls, EC does not earn enough free-throws to really hurt teams and that might be a difference then next time they play and especially in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dsd bag on December 07, 2005, 01:17:23 AM
Hey everyone, new member to d3hoops. just wanted to throw in my opinions on the EC-GC game this evening. i was at the game and saw the defending CCC champs represent well. they brought good energy with help from their big crowd. gordon also had a big crowd so the gym was split pretty well.  endicott had good performances from nemanja, ellis, and corbett. nemanja scored most of his points at the end but had a solid all around game with 8 boards and 5 assists. corbett was huge off the bench with 12 points in 12 minutes. george was ok, but had some questionable foul calls go against him. as for gordon, they didnt get what they needed or anything out of herr or their entire bench. the big guys for gordon played solid, marstaller had only nine points but had 12 boards and 5 blocks. if a few of herr's 3's went down this would have been a different game, however endicott played good pressure DEFENSE. looking forward to the second game in january, hopefully we see a better game out of GC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on December 07, 2005, 11:33:11 AM
can u stop giving excuses to this overhyped gordon team who isn't very talented.  I went to the game last night and they were strait out-played.  You talk about gordon not having an offense it was because of the extreme intensity that ec braught on defense. you guys only look athe offensive aspect on the game when you analyze how george mani ellis and everyone else played but these kids played a hell of a defensive game not letting them get comfortable in their offense the whole game.  Ec used a lot of their bench which is going to help them throughout the year with a few freshman stepping up and corbet doin what he does best shootin three.  This team is top in the confrence so after they beat cs by about 15 like they usually do is that when the two time champs might get some respect.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 07, 2005, 12:15:25 PM
 Kudos are in order for EC and their ability to get up for the big games of the season.  EC won every aspect of the game last night from intensity to coaching.  The only thing GC can hold as a positive in this game is the GC faithful dwarfed EC's, and the EC cheerleaders dropped one of their own on an aerial attempt.  Other than that, I'm not too sure GC has anything to be proud of after this game.

EC's bench was completely under hyped coming into this game.  After watching them play for 10 minutes, anyone could tell they were the real deal.  While EC may be lacking in the leadership department, they are just as strong and as a much a threat to win the CCC as they were with Oxton at the helm.  It goes with out saying that defense was the key factor in EC up ending Gordon.  They got GC out of their comfort zone quickly, which in return forced GC to take ill advised shots and errant passes.  GC never capitalized on EC's switching of screens; rather they allowed EC to get back in position and halt whatever offensive momentum GC was trying to muster up.

Luckily enough for GC the season is still in its infancy, and they have an amazing ability to bounce back from crushing defeats like last night.  They have an out of conference game against North Shore heavy-weight Salem State on Saturday; a game GC is not supposed to win.  With that being the case, Salem is playing sub par this year and is vulnerable every game.  A GC win would be appeasing to the team as well as the fans and followers of the Scots.  It may also soften the blow that EC delivered and give the Scots some momentum going into Christmas Break. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: freedom1 on December 07, 2005, 12:45:56 PM
Good Afternoon,
While I do enjoy reading the opinions that are posted by you gentlemen, I would like to ask why all we speak about is EC, GC, and CSC? I know they are the top of the CCC (as of now) but you guys are dragging this topic into the ground. I am a player on a team in the CCC (and we are doing pretty well) and eventhough I will hold no grudge on you guys showing no respect to our team, since we have to earn that with wins, most of you guys are not even at these games.

I tell you now:
EC, GC, or CSC will lose to a team you do not think it should lose to.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 07, 2005, 01:14:30 PM
Freedom1, the posting up section is a forum where parents, student and fans can post, NOT current players.  In answer to your question about why EC, GC and CSC are the only teams we talk about, the people posting have some tie to those schools (fans, students, alumni...).  If fans from your school what ever it may be want to post I think the whole crew would welcome them with open arms.  I personally don't post about teams that I don't know about, other than prediction.  I would love to get some perspective and game info from fans of the other CCC istututions, it would make this thread better.  So tell your parents, tell your friends just tell someone to post up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 07, 2005, 01:57:30 PM
Don't Post-Up on the CCC board if you Post-Up in a CCC game!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on December 07, 2005, 02:05:55 PM
Not to beat the EC/GC topic into the ground but the big thing that stood out to me from the game was Gordon's low post presence.  There was none.  Gordon had 4 guys on the perimeter the entire time on offense.  Marstaller touched the ball once or twice in the post and Schnackenberg was catching the ball about 10-12 feet from the hoop everytime.  Gordon got outrebounded 42-24.  That was the big difference in this game.  I think if Gordon can keep Marstaller and Schnack on the blocks next time it will open up space for their shooters as well as allow both big men to contribute much more to the offense.

EC looked good in all aspects of their game but I think the score really reflects more on how bad GC actually played then on how good EC is.  Good news for Gordon fans is that I don't think the team can play much worse then it did last night.  The only way to go is up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 02:25:28 PM
D3hoops.com/D3football.com does not have a policy that prohibits current student-athletes from posting. Many coaches do, and that is their right.

Obviously prudence suggests current players should not post, but just to clarify, that is not a site rule and we would not enforce it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on December 07, 2005, 03:09:21 PM
freedom1

If you are going to post up and tell us that you play on a ccc team, then why don't you tell us that you play for Wentworth.  By the way, I don't think Wentworth has a chance in the north.  GC, EC, and CSC are the clear favorites in the north.  Wentworth has done a good job of closing the gap but they are still behind.  I will not be shocked if they win one or two of the 6 games.  Any given night any team (except ENC and AM) can pull out a win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: freedom1 on December 07, 2005, 04:12:46 PM
I understand the concept of not having current players post, but as the rule has been stated it is not prohibited. As for the person calling out my school, if I wanted to let everyone know that I play for a particular school than I would have acknowledge that fact. My opinion was very general and the fact that most of you that post won't show your face but will talk a whole lot a trash, is an indication of the heart most of you lack, (with exception of those who are not in the immediate area).

As for b-ball, I understand that the teams spoken of are from those with knowledge of these schools but for a couple of years now I have witnessed the constant bashing of these so called lesser schools and you cats can't even come check a game or two out, I thought that was called being biased.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 07, 2005, 04:21:47 PM
you didnt need to say u play for WIT we can tell, and the reason you arent getting talked about is because u havent beaten anybody, and on top of that you lost to becker (2-5) and lyndon state (whose 5-1 record isnt that impressive considering 1/2 there games are against Community college teams) 

look at WIT's wins
UMPI-                  0-7
Mt. Ida-               1-7
Daniel Webster-  0-6
UNE-                    1-4
NEC-                    3-2  (an unimpressive 3-2 themselves)

so look at that the teams WIT has beaten have a combined 5-26 record

That's Why
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on December 07, 2005, 04:52:52 PM
Freedom1,

Two things, most of the people that post acknowledge what school they are supporting and those in the immediate area do usually show up too games and "show their faces".  Just ask gsmizzle who acknowledged us within the first 2 minutes of getting into the game at Endicott (and he played well, which sucked cause we were gonna get on his case all game if he started messing up). 

Secondly, most of us catch one or two games a year of lower CCC teams when they play the team we support.  Like it was mentioned early, if you want Wentworth to get some posts on this board get your fans to start showing support.  But don't hold it against the posters for supporting their own teams, most of our posts are in favor of one team or another but they are still pretty accurate posts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 07, 2005, 05:19:54 PM
Jesse Anderson
546 Brockton Ave.
Lincoln, Nebraska
cell: 218-749-0023

Don't tell me I hide behind my pseudo-name.  I take full responsibility for every post I make.  WIT is never going to be a CCC upper tear team.  Yes, you will beat EC, GC and maybe CSC from time to time, but you will never, EVER, enjoy the taste of Championship victory, for the sheer fact that you lack depth after your top 3 players.  I do give you credit in that your recruitment has seen improvement the last few years, but that is where the credit stops.  The respect, you so desire, will come when the respect is deserved.  And respect is not deserved when you go (21-76) overall and (14-45) in conference over the past 4 years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 07, 2005, 06:17:21 PM
I don't think Gordon is over rated. And as for the fans, GC brought a ton more to the Post Center than EC has brought to Bennet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 07, 2005, 07:23:55 PM
gordon got ROLLED by EC. Frankly, I'm gonna have to wait for GC to win a game at McDonald Gym before I ever pick them again to beat EC at home (5 years and counting).

gordon would have had to shoot 80% to win that game. they were an atrocity of epic proportions. they let the EC post get the ball basically 2 feet from the hoop every time, they got back door screened to death, and had poor help defense. it was ugly. on offense they settled for one and done almost every time in the first half, without even a blue shirt underneath. in hindsight i guess we could have seen this coming, as Gordon has won most of its games this season with defense. And last night their D let me down. Their offense has been sluggish at best thus far.

all that being said, the kids on Gordon have alot of heat and a strong work ethic. Coach Schauer and Co will get them back on track, and i'm not too worried about the rest of the season.

nemanja is battling an ankle injury. he was limited in what we could do, which actually hurt the Scots because he wasn't on the court that much and is such a bad defender.  he did nothing at best in this game. strangely, he brought the ball up multiple times and the Scots didn't even pressure him or try and trap. EC will not get away with that against most teams. Ellis looks like he is having trouble adjusting to the new EC offensive scheme. He is playing as a shell of himself. George seems to be struggling in a way that Herr of GC is, as  I think both are trying to find out how to assimilate into being the #1 option on their teams. George also got into a heated exchange with his coach while trying to inbound the ball. He looks frustrated, as he was complaining all night.

I'm surprised no one has talked about EC's freshman Joey Burgos. He is raw, but is the most athletic player in the CCC North. I would say only Lamb is more of an athlete. This kid can jump out the gym and was flying over would be rebounders. He also exhibited good body control on the glass and around the basket; he is not just a go-go gadget out of control type player. I look for big things in the future from him.

finally i agree with Maq, besides Endicott dunking in the lay-up lines, neither team came out with alot of intensity. It wasn't until our friend Gary entered, and sparked EC's mini 12-0 run, that EC took control as Gordon could not get up to match their intensity the rest of the way out.

EC's new uni's were terrifying.
   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 07, 2005, 07:49:39 PM
while i feel alittle bad for freedom1 getting bashed out of life, and i agree that this year in particular the board is basically Gordon hoops. We need representation from other schools.

however, just like on an ACC board you don't expect much talk about schools other than Duke, UNC, BC, Maryland, NC State or Wake, you can't expect alot of talk about a Wentworth or UNE or Salve of the world. I mean sure a VA Tech will take a Duke to the wire or maybe even upset a BC, but the board isn't going to devote alot of time talking about a 15-12 (7-9) team. And the same holds true on this board. Sure Wentworth will win 6,7,8 conference games....and maybe they upset a Gordon or CSC or EC. But until they beat all three, or at least two of the three, they are nothing more than a team you don't want to play in the first round. they don't have legitimate championship hopes. they have to make a splash to get noticed. The CCC has four teams who honestly think they will win the CCC; CSC, Curry, GC, and Endicott. Period. Come April, we might talk about a Salve or Wentworth as a dark horse. We might devote some time to them then. But now, unless we support WIT they aren't going to get much run. This is the CCC. Games aren't televised. And not gonna lie, i'm probably not gonna travel NE checking out games. So unless you start 10-0, or are a CSC, GC, EC, or Curry....you aren't gonna get much pub.

the best way is to get students from your school to get on this board. I mean heck, I even think Curry gets underrated because we really don't have anyone reporting on them. Take it from a Chewning, I mean he follows ENC and does a good job of it. He has a take and he doesn't suck. Otherwise you think anyone would mention ENC, unless they were talking about their fall from grace or just how putrid they are? Exactly. Take a lesson from him.

I am all for more coverage of all CCC teams on this board. But to be honest, unless you are a supporter of a team, the average college basketball joe isn't going to post on here. while hoopsfan might beg to differ, there isn't a Jay Bilas of the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2005, 09:16:08 AM

Sorry for being incommunicado for the last couple days.  I think the whole current-player thing has blow up because of me.  Maybe I wasn't clear enough.  It's discouraged, not prohibited.  Generally the posters have policed themselves by not responding to or calling out players who post on the board.  Generally we let them know its not looked favorably upon and then ignore them.  It's really the responsibility of everyone else to keep it regulated.  So guys, just stop responding to this kid.

Tuesday:

CSC 88 UNE 66.  St Clair went for 34 and 14; Kenny, Bray and Cousins had ten each.  The CSC defense really picked up in the second half.  Perhaps they were just under-conditioned to start the year?  I don't know, but they do have plenty of time to round into form.  McManus had 16, Stikney had 12, Farynaz 10.

Curry over ENC 67-50.  Freshmen Noel had 18 and transfer Seaberg had 11 for ENC, who were 1-14 from three and only shot 31% from the floor.  Marcus Jones had 17 fro CC, 13 from Bartelle, Mohrin 12 and Prescod 12 boards.  Curry didn't shoot well either, but they hit 9 threes and got a few extra boards; I guess that made a big difference.

EC 62 GC 47.  Not quite so close as we thought, although Endicott has given Gordon more trouble than anyone else recently, so we can't write the Scots off until they get a few more losses under their belt.  EC has been playing real well this year; definately overacheiving.  35-20 halftime lead sealed their fate.  Although GC held Marinkovic to only 6 points until he made 8 of EC's last ten, finishing with 14 to lead all scorers.  Corbett had 12 for EC.  Schnackenberg had 12, Logan 11 and Marstaller went 9 and 12 with 5 blocks.  EC won shooting 51% from the floor and holding GC to 31%.  EC played their game and won; that defense really seems to be in good form.

Nichols lost to Fitchburg 58-73.  Mercer had 15, Butler 13 and Edgerton 12.  Lewis shot 2-11 and was held to four points.  Fitchburg was up 51-24 at the half and coasted home.  Nichols shot pretty well from deep, but the seem to have been overmatched the whole game.  This was probably a bad night for them; we shouldn't judge by this performance.

Salve over AMC 79-54.  Salve looks legit, even if it was just iver Anna Maria.  Freshmen Loussaint is proving to be AMC's best player, with 12 points.  Daigneault had 11.  Coute dropped 24 for SRU, Rego had 11.  Not much of a game here.

WIT over NEC 82-73.  WIT looks to have at least 4th place in the North locked up.  Hall went for 19 and 12 with six assists.  PB had 16, Doyle and Gain had 13 a piece.  Bolton had 10.  It looks like NEC put up a good fight though.  Onyechi had 23, Quinn had 18, Sylvia anb Montrod each had 14.  This seems like it was the best game of the night.

Tonight's games:

UNE @ Thomas
WIT @ Coast Guard
EC hosts WPI
NEC hosts Daniel Webster
NC hosts Becker
ENC hosts Emerson
RWU hosts Wheaton (MA)
SRU @ RIC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 08, 2005, 01:24:53 PM
do any EC kids have any knowledge about Darko's injury? gordon did a better job on him, but for the most part he was limited by what appeared to be an ankle injury. he was slower than usually, didn't get much elevation on anything (well less than he normally would), was stretching behind the bench for a good chunk of the game and only entered towards the end? also why is he bringing the ball up? is Ellis that lost in the new system? George looks really frusterated.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dsd bag on December 08, 2005, 03:57:22 PM
Nemanja is ok, just a nagging soreness during the game. He has been fine in every other game. He can bring it up as well, he has a decent handle for a big guy. Ellis is the 2-guard in the offense so Burton is bringing the ball up anyways. George was frusterated a bit during the game, but I think anybody would be if they got some of the foul calls go against them like he did.

Im looking for a strong performance tonight from the Gulls against #10 WPI. If they bring the same defense and handle pressure well then they could pull off a nice W tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Oak12 on December 08, 2005, 06:59:49 PM
I must say, although new to this forum, I agree, we need to hear something more than Gordon, Gordon, Gordon.  I was in attendence at the 'Dual at the Post' on Tuesday night, proof and point to this subject.  Gordon needs some work.  They shot poorly and were dominated on the boards.  I just don't see anything out of them this year.  It was odd, 2 minutes left in the game and I got the vibe that the Gordon Coach packed it in?  The 15 point lead was up and down all game.  A late time out and some press might have made this more of a game?  I don't know just a thought.

EC looked great.  I have seen a few of their games this year and I really think they are starting to take to Coach Millette's new system.  They ran the ball when it was there and the half court sets had a lot more flow.  I think we have a star in the making with the freshman, Joey Burgos.  Give him a year to hit the weights, with a little size and his jumping ability we are looking at huge potential.  He really lights the gym up with his dunking ability and ups!

Big game tonight for the Gulls, WPI at The Post should be a great one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 08, 2005, 08:02:11 PM
Can we please refrain from saying that GC was out matched the whole game?  Yes they got HAMMERED the first half, but the second half was a draw with both teams going for 27.  This game was just a common mistake that GC does of letting their opponent mount a substantial lead and then not being able to counter it.  No one, on either team, put up gaudy numbers on Tuesday night.  Rather everyone was just average.  It was EC's "team" concept and energy that put them through the roof.  I think when EC comes to the Bennett Center, with their students still on break, they wont be able to get as "up" for the game as they did the other night.  Yes I am bitter, but the gap between these two is hardly of Grand Canyon proportions.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: intheknow on December 08, 2005, 08:39:53 PM
Wow, very impressive by EC tonight to take the #10 team in the country to the buzzer.  Might just be my opinion, but Coach Millette really seems to be pushing the right buttons.  This guy is doing a great job so far
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 08, 2005, 09:38:56 PM
you bring up a good point oak. gordon just flat out stunk tuesday night; on both sides of the ball. but the result was a product of gordon's underwhelming performance, rather than Endicott running them out of the gym. while i wont take away from the EC win, i'm not going to give them much credit for Gordon's poor performance. the scots are still a strong contender for #1 in the north. they are legit. tuesday was an abberation. they had open looks, and they will adjust defensively. while EC's performance tonight sounds impressive on paper, i'm going to reserve my judgement on who owns exit 17 until the meeting in january.

i agree coach millette looks like a great up and coming coach. With Millette and 3 more years of Burgos it looks like the gulls have reloaded nicely since the departure of Plansky but what else would you expect form a BC man? also one of his assistants Casey Arena, was a star guard at D1 UMaine during the early 90's. he ranked nationally in assists and steals as a senior, including a loss in the championship to a Malik Rose led Drexel University. He scored over 1500 at Umaine, 25th all-time in the America East. now i know just because you play d-1, that doesnt make you a good coach, but he was a very celebral point guard and he brings alot of experience to the Gulls staff.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on December 08, 2005, 11:44:49 PM
ENC BLOWS OUT EMERSON BY 30!!!!


Haha just joking.  I just thought I would bring some humor to the post.  Emerson came out with a really tough defense and ENC hasn't learned how to shoot yet, Emerson won by 19 ish.  I don't have the stats yet but I just thought I would get this very important score posted.  I knew you all would be wondering. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on December 09, 2005, 03:43:32 PM
Cru.  I was definitely laughing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2005, 05:06:30 PM

EC playing well again, comes close to beating #10 WPI, but falls 60-61 on a last-second shot.  EC was up 12 at the half, but they lost their chaacteristic defense and allowed 50% shooting in the second half.  Ellis had 16, Marinkovic had 11 and 9. 

78-45 WIT loses to Coast Guard.  Ouch.  CG up 36-16 at the half.  Prezzie-Blue had 13, but Wentworth just shot horribly; couldn't hit anything.

ENC lost to Emerson by 20.  57-77.  Jasmin had 12; Noel had 11.  ENC allowed nearly 60% shooting from the floor.  Poor showing.

NEC killed (yes killed) Daniel Webster 81-50.  No stats, what do you expect... its NEC.

Salve beats RIC, solidifying their place atop the South for now.  74-72.  GRendal got a putback to break the tie at the buzzer.  He won the player of the week with a 25 point, 24 rebound performance.  Hazzard had 14; Rego, 12.

UNE over Thomas 91-77.  McManus put up 30 (including seven threes), Stikney had 21 and Marriot 19.  Oliver had 13.  This proves one thing: Thomas sucks.

Wheaton over RWU 80-55.  Barranger keeps up the solid play with 17 points.  They just got rocked out of the gym.  Baranger also led the team in rebounds (6) and assists (3).  I wonder if it was just one on five the whole game?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2005, 05:11:08 PM

Forgive me for forgetting Nichols and Becker.  NC won 79-59.  Lewis had 19, Vallee 18.  Butler had 10 rebounds.  Lots of rebounds for Nichols and solid bench performance.



This weekends games:

SRU @ Wesleyan on Friday

On Saturday:

NEC @ Thomas
UNE hosts ME-Farmington
RWU hosts WPI
EC @ Wheaton (MA)
SRU hosts Conn Coll
WIT hosts Rensselear
GC @ Salem
AMC @ Bard

AMC vs Newbury or Centenary in the second round of the Bard tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 10, 2005, 01:23:24 PM
I like GC's chances at Salem today.  With Salem missing their preseason Player of The Year in that of Shawn Bloom, the gap has dwindled between these two teams.  It's always hard for any team to go into Salem and get a win, but GC has extra motivation to go into their break on a positive note. 

Look for Herr to get back on track today and for Marstaller to keep his low post presence alive.  Schnack has been improving with each game and GC's back court has been consistent as well.  GC, like in every game, can not let Salem get a big lead on them.  Because if that lead goes above 10, early on, GC will mentally pack it in and chaulk it up as an L.

Factoring in the loss of Bloom, and GC's much need for a win, I still have to give the edge to Salem.  The game is goin' to have to be in their favor by 7+.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 10, 2005, 06:32:50 PM
salem beats gordon 83-74

Wheaton beats Endicott 71-56

George had 15, Nemanja had 15 and 9
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 10, 2005, 10:31:57 PM
I was at the Gordon vs Salem St. game today and Gordon was disapointing.  They held the half time lead and were up by as much as 7 at one point.  GC had a hard time defending in the post and in the second half Salem was pouring everything in, they were throwing up junk and it was falling including a bank shot 3-pointer from the conner.  The difference was GC having a hard time defending Salem's post players and of course, Gordon's achillies heal rebounding, as the Scots were out rebounded 38-20.  Gordon's offense looked much better but still not there yet.  The GC is tired and beat up look for them to be rested and ready after finals and the break.  The Scots will be a force once CCC is in full swing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on December 11, 2005, 11:41:54 AM
Echoing Maq's points from earlier, GC has two major facets of the game where they struggle.  That is rebounding and low post defense.  These two, seemingly linked to one another, are GC's dreaded arch enemies.  Things go well for GC during games, up until the point the opposing team realizes their mismatched in the paint, and when that connection is finally made, the game is undoubtedly over.  Unfortunately GC can not do much to make up for their void of these two areas, for they lack the necessary height and experience to compensate for them.  Rather, rebounding has to be pure heart, and the low post has to rely on some luck here and there.  These two dilemmas are quickly growing for GC.  Opposing teams, especially ones in the CCC, are going to take notice, and start in the paint immediately during a game, hopefully putting GC away early, and forcing them to shoot themselves out of a hole.  One can only hope that Coach Schauer is going to take these 18 days off and formulate a plan for countering his current situation, and mending this ever growing problem.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2005, 09:53:42 AM

NEC 80 Thomas 85.  Montrod had 23, Onyechi had 25 and 11.  Quinn put in 12.  They let Thomas shoot at will and at a pretty good clip.  UNE beat Thomas pretty good just a couple days ago, not a good loss for NEC.

UNE over ME-Farmington in OT 77-74.  Farmington was decent last year and have been winning most games this season; a good win for UNE.  Farynaz got totally shut down, but Marriot picked him up with a game high 21.  Stikney added 16 and 13, Regis put in 15 and McManus added 13.  UNE did reasonably well without their two best players leading the way... good sign for them.  That North division is sure going to be a lot tougher than last year.

RWU goes down at WPI, no big suprise there, 76-61.  Cormier had 16, Barranger went for 12 and 11.  Cammobrecco had 11 and McGovern had 6 assists.  They kept Cain quiet for WPI, but they got killed on the boards 36-19 and that was all she wrote.

EC loses to Wheaton 71-56.  Not a good showing for EC; their first real hiccup.  Nemanja continues to impress with 15 and 9 and assists.  George also had 15, but 9 turnovers to go with it.  37% shooting from Wheaton was a little higher than EC can afford, couple that with 27 turnovers and losing the FT battle 30-21 and that spells a loss.  Wheaton is a solid squad and this loss shouldn't hurt EC too much.  Everybody's gotta be off sometime, and this isn't a bad team to do it against.  The second half killed them.  I wonder if the shorter bench this season is doing anything to their team.  Maybe they aren't as well conditioned as they should be?  Things to think about anyway.

Conn Coll over Salve 73-65.  Close one for Salve, but probably a winable game for them.  Coming off the good win over RIC, maybe there was a bit of a letdown, although you have to love the scheduling.  The Camels shot 50% from three and 52% from the floor which is an obvious factor in their win.  SRU got 20 from Coute and 17 from Grendal along with 10 from Rego.  They shot 54% from the arc and 42% from the floor, but got beat on rebounds and FT's.  Poor defense lost this game for Salve and a lack of contribution from the bench didn't help any.

WIT over Rensselaer in OT 80-78 in the battle of the smart kids.  Gaine hit a lay-up at the buzzer for the win; he had 10 on the game.  PB&J had 23 and 5 with 5 assists and 5 steals before fouling out in OT.  Frankie Hall went for 18 and 7.  WIT shot lights out despite foul trouble, but FT shooting kept Rensselaer in the game.  Great game; very exciting.

GC goes down to Salem 83-74.  Salem isn't as strong as they have been in recent years and this was GC's time to win.  I guess they are still getting over the EC game.  Their post defense is still struggling, while the perimeter d held strong.  Logan had 18, Kauffman and Marstaller 12 each, Herr had 11 and Volgenzang had 10.  GC got to the line and shot well from deep, but they were beaten on the boards and that was too much to overcome.  All in all it was a decent showing from GC.  They still have to improve in the areas we all knew they needed to improve in.  The post guys have work to do; the game was disappointing, but not horrible.

AMC over Bard in the Bard tourney 68-64.  Loussaint had 27 and 10, McDonald had 17, Sadlowski had 7 assists.  They shot well, rebounded well and overcame a lot of turnovers to avenge their season opening loss to Bard College.  Way to go AMC, get that respect back.

On Sunday, in the championship game, they went down to Newbury 61-86.  No stats.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2005, 09:54:37 AM

Tuesday's games:

CSC hosts Brandeis and needs a win to get back on track
UNE hosts S Maine
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2005, 02:05:59 PM

We went 0-2 last night:

UNE 68 SMaine 73; at least it wasn't as bad as the women's game; and I say that without even looking at the women's score.  Stikney had 20, McManus had 18.  They allowed over 50% shooting from the floor again.

CSC went down to Brandeis 79-90.  St Clair had 18 and 10, Spanos had 12, Bray had 10 with 8 assists.  CSC needed this one to get back on track, plus losing at home... not good.  They are definately going to have to win the conference to get in the tournament.  I didn't think they could underacheive more than last year, but they are working hard at it.  Not having Thorpe is tough; he should be back after Christmas.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2005, 02:07:26 PM

Thursday's game:

UNE hosts Mt Ida


It's the last one until after Christmas.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on December 15, 2005, 02:06:25 PM
Unfortunately there's not much spirit to be found in New London this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 16, 2005, 10:18:58 AM

Ok the big send-off to 2005:

UNE 68 Mt Ida 55

McManus had 25 on 6-9 shooting from deep.  Stickney had 11 and 12.  Mt Ida couldn't hit anything.  UNE didn't play all that well (outside of McManus), Marriott either got hurt or more likely benched after going 0-7 in the first 8 minutes of the game.  Whatever.


Nothing more until after Christmas.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 16, 2005, 03:22:55 PM

OK, because I'm bored today, I'm going to grade the teams in the CCC for the pre-Christmas part of the season.  Remember that in the grand scheme of things, this period counts for about 10-15% of the whole season grade and its really January that makes or breaks a team.  These grades are a combination of actual production and how well they met early-season expectations thus far.

North

Colby-Sawyer College (2-0 in the CCC, 4-3 Overall)
With losses to Keene Bowdoin and Brandeis, this was a disappointing start to the Charger's season.  Thorpe going down to mono was a big blow and the total lack of defense didn't help.  They do still have Springfield and then either Bates or Trinity (TX) in the New Year's Tournament to help their QOW rating before conference play begins.  You expect even the best team in the conference to drop an early game or two and the KSC and Bowdoin games were both very close.  Bottom line CSC needed to win at least one, if not both of those. C

Endicott College (1-0, 4-5)
A win over Bates, nearly toppling WPI and a pasting of cross-town rival Gordon make for good stories and high morale at EC, but five losses has to be troubling.  Even though four of them were to teams I would rank top 7 or 8 in the region, it's still too many losses to even be in the running for an at-large bid at the end of the year.  The old addage is true: "You can't win anything in December, but you can sure lose a lot."  That being said, EC has performed above and beyond expectations, sticking with the best teams in the area and learning the new coach's style faster than anyone has thought.  The way they are playing in the early season has to make them the conference favorite at this point. As much as I hate to do it: A

Gordon College (1-1, 5-2)
The Scots started strong with good showing against weak teams, big revenge wins over MIT and Salve Regina, but then followed it up with two sub-par performances against local rivals.  The guards are improved, as is the interior, but post defense is still an issue.  I have to imagine Schauer wanted more from his team. B+

New England College (1-1, 4-3)
Their early season competition, although weak, was better than last year and they performed decently.  Some of those gmaes were much closer than I would have liked to see, but this young team performed well.  New leaders are stepping up and there was some struggle fitting freshmen into the system, but they seem to be playing full tilt as we enter the break.  While they may not win many games this year, there is a marked improvement along the lines the coaching staff was hoping for.  I can't say they've done great, but certainly better than last year and only slightly below expectations. B-

The University of New England (0-2, 4-5)
They have beaten everyone they were supposed to beat, lost to everyone they were supposed to lose to and kept games close with team on their level.  The only downside is that seem to give away close games.  Last year's UNE squad lacked bench play and perimeter defense; this year they have an improved bench, but still give up baskets in bunches to teams with good guard play.  I haven't seen a lot of improvement this year, although there are a few bright spots that could shine if given attention.  C+

Wentworth Institute of Technology (2-0, 6-3)
Sure their spot atop the CCC North is a bit inflated, but this team is playing every bit as well as expected entering the year.  Todd Doyle has disappeared at times, but is very much the quality PG he was touted to be.  Even our old friend Prezzie-Blue is passing the ball and rebounding.  There was a big hole in the middle to fill and a bunch of guys are chipping in to do an admirable job.  The coaching staff has to be quite happy with this squad.  They may not be able to challenge the big three this year, but they will be much more dangerous and are improving every week (especially after that scary loss to Becker).  B

South

Anna Maria College (0-2, 2-7)
AMC apparently lost everybody from last season, which wasn't that great to begin with.  The emergence of Loussaint is a good sign, but this team still struggles to score points and stay in games.  Both teams they have beaten so far (Newbury and Bard) have also returned the favor.  There was a noticible, if small, foundation from last year on which to build which has crumbled in 2005.  They might be slightly more competitive with the bottom of the North this year, but the AMCATS are not where even the most conservative judge would like them to be. D

Curry College (1-0, 3-3)
They knew they would be without Raheim Lamb for the start of the year, but losing Tim Jones was a big blow.  He has consistency, experience and proven talent to lead the team through a rough patch.  However, Malcolm Wynn had his guys ready and exhibited a very much improved team without adding much of anything from last season.  They should have been closer to Springfield, but they beat Trinity, came within two points of the College of New Jersey in NJ and within three points of Christopher Newport in Virginia, all without their two best players.  I'd have to say that despite the circumstances they could not have even hoped for the kind of results they have been getting early in the season.  They are exceeding all expectations; it will be interesting to see how they fit Jones and Lamb into an already very cohesive unit.  A+

Eastern Nazarene College (0-2, 0-9)
ENC, for the second year in a row, lost their best player and team leader to graduation.  This team was going to be led by a lot of young and undersized guys.  Coach Zink brought in some decent transfers and the outlook was good for some improvement from last year's squad.  It turns out that this team is even worse than expected, struggling to score and stop anyone in the paint.  I'm not sure there is a team on their schedule they can beat (although they will get a shot with AMC twice and Newbery still to come).  The offense isn't working, the players seem unhappy and no one is turning up to even watch them anymore.  F

Nichols College (0-1, 3-3)
Nichols played above themselves last year and brought some good feelings into the 2005 campaign.  They played WPI and CSC tough early on, but have fallen short of their expectations.  The sophomore class is not experiencing the slump so many CCC teams suffer through and team leader Casey Butler is more free to play his game.  NC is doing a good job of keeping players together and developing for the future.  I think they have a good base for the rest of the season.  This team isn't getting mentioned at all, but they could be the spoiler this year, not competing for the title, but ruining some hopes come play-off time.  B

Roger Williams University (1-0, 1-6)
The loss of Dan Gumb really seemed to effect then, moving the opposite direction from Curry after the injury.  There is a lot of talent on this squad and expectations have been very high.  They have really disappointed thus far.  The big man has come into his own, but leaders like Parrish and Cormier are only showing glimpses of the ability we've seem in previous seasons.  They have played some good teams thus far, but they have been totally inconsistent.  If I were going to give an incomplete it would be here, but that's just cheesy.  D+/C-

Salve Regina University (1-1, 6-3)
The loss to Gordon hurt, but the rest of the early season has been very good to SRU.  Wins over RIC, J&W and Wheaton have really been impressive.  They are doing the most with their schedule that they can.  The loss to Connecticut College was the only suprise to me.  Grendal is emerging as a real post threat and floor-leader and Coute is shedding his underrated rep.  The only downside is that there is not much room for improvement; we may have already seen the best SRU can offer, for their sake, I hope they can keep it up. A
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on December 16, 2005, 04:43:14 PM
Hoops-

Love your breakdown. you're all heart kid. good stuff.

  A couple thoughts...I think CSC should get a D. Maybe a D+. While the injury to Thorpe hurts, you didn't seem to have any mercy towards RWU. So, I think a D is fair. Bowdoin is not a very good team. While they are a little better than usual this year, still bottom feeders in the NESCAC. Endicott beat the same Bates team, who is down big this year, so that is a terrible loss in my eyes. For a team that came in hyped as a strong at-large bid, so far this season has been nothing but dissapointing, and save for conference play and a chance for a win over Trinity (TX) a near failure.

  I also thought Gordon's grade was too high. Although, I appreciate it. They did beat MIT and SRU (who has been a thorn in the side of the Scots last couple years--although not so much at home), getting rolled by Endicott and collasping against Salem leave much to be desired. This team is too good to be where they are at, let alone the results they have put up against tough competition. I'd say C, C-.

And Wentwoth, overrated. Who have they beat? I would give them a C. They are average. Beat up on all the patsies they scheduled early, and it remains to be seen how they will do against the upper echelon.

I am however, elevating you to Andy Katz of the CCC. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on December 17, 2005, 12:11:37 PM
I don't think you should get an A unless you are undefeated at this point.. HOw can you have an A if you have more than one loss?  I mean Endciott is 4-5 and they get an A.  What would you have given them if they went 9-0 an A+++++++++.  They deserve a C at best probally a C- afterall they are below .500.  Curry College an A+ at 3-3.  Maybe a C+ because they do have some injuries but not an A+.  A+ would be that they actually won more than 3 of 6 games.  Salve doesnt deserve an A either mabye a B or B-.

Just my two sense.  Don't overrate teams.. Try doing it more truthfully.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: buddy on December 18, 2005, 09:20:54 PM
Hey fellas . . .  just want to chime in to put my vote in for the top teams in the conference. I think Gordon should be there, followed by Curry , Colby Sawyer, Endicott & Nichols.  As far as Curry goes, don't overlook the fact that they have a lot of depth & another deserving player to be mentioned in the same breath with with Lamb & Jones . . that being Mohrin. He did make All Conference 2nd Team last year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2005, 10:38:23 AM

To answer the critics and get some more holiday-break chatter going I'll say this:


1.  I mentioned in the report card post that I was grading not just on their performance, but also their performance against what the expectations were coming into the season.  Endicott gets an A because they have a new coach, new PG, new leading scorer a wicked tough schedule and they still have played well.  Out of their five losses, only one (Hamilton) is to a team they should be better than and the book is still out on them.  Amherst, Keene, WPI and Wheaton are all better than EC and certainly better than EC was supposed to be.  I can't penalize them for losing to good teams.  The team I expected to see on the floor would have gotten creamed by Bates and proably lost to Gordon as well.  This team is playing above average and even though their schedule was too tough this year, they are well above expectations and were a shot away from upsetting the #9 team in the country.  That's A material in my book.

2.  Curry gets an A+ because, well did you see them at the start of last year?  They only have four guys and they got smoked.  Essentially they have three guys now, with occasional help from the bench and they are playing far better teams.  I can't possibly imagine, given their injuries how anyone could expect them to be playing any better than they are.  Very few teams come into a season with reasonable expectations of going undefeated.  Curry has beaten Trinity and hung close with Christopher Newport ( a very good South Region squad for you who stick solely to New England, they are a tournament team in a very good conference) and New Jersey.  The Springfield loss is looking worse and worse as time goes on, but they are so far above expectations, it's gotta be an A+.

3.  I'll accept that SRU and GC may be too high, but I didn't give them much credit before the season and both have done admirably in my book. GC is looking a little shakier as time goes on and Salve's schedule has been tougher than expected.  Either way, I won't argue that those grades might have been a little high.

4.  Wentworth might not have been so good, but they were atrocious last year.  They lost DeMercurio who was their only post presence and consistant scorer the whole year, replacing him with a top notch PG, but nothing down low.  I certainly expected them to finish dead last in the North, but they have already gotten a game up on each of their rivals for the #4 seed.  Prezzie-Blue went from Freshman shoot-first PG, to Sophomore assist king 2 guard, very unlikely.  The post players have come through in big spots.  Maybe they could have been a C, but I consider C as meeting expectations and WIT is certainly above them right now.

5.  Colby-Sawyer has been disappointing in that they have not beaten Keene, Bowdoin and Brandeis.  All games they probably should have won.  Even in their victories, the defense has been spotty at best.  They did lose a lot in Thorpe, having really no reliable back-up for the starters.  But, they haven't killed themselves yet.  If they can get on track and win the New Year's tournament, then play their usual 1 or 2 loss CCC season, they will finish with no more than 5 losses and still be in the hunt for a Pool C bid, should they lose the conference final.  Granted, they are below where we'd like them to be, but you can't have expected an undefeated season, one or two losses extra is hardly deserving of a C grade.


I wish you all a relaxing and happy Christmas season.  Have fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on December 19, 2005, 03:35:56 PM
is there a timetable for Thorpe's return?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2005, 03:52:43 PM

I heard January, but its mono so you never really know.  I expect he'll be back in action for some minutes, even if its just ten or twelve after the holiday break.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 20, 2005, 09:13:09 AM

Hamilton got some votes this week in the Top 25 poll.  Maybe the EC loss to them isn't so bad after all.  Shoot Middlebury may have a legit squad... you never know.




I'm off today for some fourteen days of vacation; it's nice to get out of the office.  I'll post from time to time over the break when I get bored and find a wireless connection.  I hope you all have a good holiday season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on December 20, 2005, 12:18:57 PM
I just looked at EC's losses and all the teams they have lost to have only 2 losses combined.  I have to say there are a lot better than any of us gave them credit for.  Lets see if they can put together a few wins in the conference.  If they do, I have to say they are the new favorites.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2006, 11:07:36 AM

I think EC has been the favorite since CSC has performed so poorly at the beginning.  Just to update over the holidays:

Nichols lost at Union by two points.  Butler and Vallee led the way, it looks like they picked up a new player over the break; I'm not sure if its an injury recovery or a transfer.  He contributed well- Sturdahl.

Carroll over Nichols 96-63 on the 30th.  Carroll is very good, so this is totally expected.  I'm not going looking for stats on this one.

Gordon lost to Emory yesterday 64-57.  They got outrebounded badly, but the offense seemed pretty solid.

Colby-Sawyer got into one of the best holiday tournaments, but unfortunately lost both games, to Springfield 70-88 and to Trinity (TX) 58-74.  Thorpe was back...sort of, he didn't play that much or that well.  St Clair had 18 in the first game and 29 in the second.  The team defense was slightly improved, but still needs some help.  It looks like once again it will come down to the EC-CSC games for the tourney bid.

Curry plays at Brandeis tonight.  We'll see if Lamb and Jones are back yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2006, 09:19:59 AM

Curry lost to Brandeis 62-74.  Not a bad loss, as the Brandeis team is very talented, but it would have been good for CC to pick this one up.  Lamb was back in the line-up and led the team with 24 points on 10-14 shooting.  No one rebounded and nobody else scored more than 9.  Tim Jones is not yet playing.  I hope Wynn can figure out the chemistry issue on his team, much like last year, they talented players not named Lamb seem to have a difficult time finding their games when Lamb is on the court.  Curry desperately needs to find a way to maintain their momentum from the pre-Christmas stretch and work Lamb into the offense.  They also need to hit their free throws.  Mohrin did have 6 assists, but they need to be spread around better for this team to really work.

Roger Williams supposedly played Johnson & Wales last night, but I can't even find a score anywhere.


Gordon is playing at Piedmont tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2006, 03:50:47 PM

Score is up.  Roger Williams beat J&W 73-62, leading throughout.  This win came on the backs of Brandon Parrish and Geoff Baranger again.  Parrish put up 25 and 8, Barranger 13 and 9.  Wooley had 5 assists, Camobreco had 4.  Neither team could hit anything from behind the arc.  J&W is apparently a one man team, with one guy taking 26 shots and scoring 32.  They have been performing quite badly in their own right this year and I'm not too sure what to make of this win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 05, 2006, 12:33:46 AM
gordon beats piedmont. big win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2006, 09:05:08 AM

GC over Piedmont 85-77.  I don't know if I'd call it a "big" win, but its very good for Gordon. It counts for nothing, being out of region, but Piedmont isn't exactly the class of the South, although they are better than average.  I see it more as good experience and a confidence booster heading into heavy CCC play.  No stats or recap anywhere I can find.


Tonight:

AMC hosts Fitchburg
RWU hosts Conn Coll
SRU is at Worcester State
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: creekhoops on January 05, 2006, 10:03:11 AM
HoopsFan -

I would not look too lightly upon RWU's victory over Johnson & Wales.  As you know, J&W was playing at home, their first in 8 games, where they have had much success in the last few years.  RWU has struggled this season, and any victory on the road has got to be seen as a step in the right direction.  Theoretically, any team who allows a kid to take 26 shots may seem to be one dimensional.  However, in their most successful run (2001-2004) J&W always had a prolific scorer who took a similar amount.  The problem there now is a lack of overall scoring to compliment a damn good defense.  Coach Benton will straighten that out.  It was a solid win for the blue and gold, and one they can build on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 05, 2006, 06:23:51 PM
Mike Herr seems to be hitting his stride for Gordon after a slow start to the season.  He had 17 pts and 8 boards verse Emory and 19 pts and 8 boards verse Piedmont on Gordon's winter break trip to Altanta.  Gordon is going to need numbers like this constantly from Herr if they realistically hope to take the conference this year.

Its also nice to see Aaron Vogelzang continue put up some good numbers (16 and 5 verse Piedmont).  Aaron is one of those players that can drop numbers like that at anytime, he could be extremely dangerous for Gordon down the stretch if he continues to play like he has all year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: creekhoops on January 06, 2006, 06:44:59 AM
Just to solidify my point, Roger Williams can rest assured that their opponent earlier in the week was indeed worthy.  Plymouth State lost to Johnson & Wales, being held to just 66 points.  Again, as their scoring comes along, J&W will be competitive.  They play a lot of CCC schools, some years more than others.  Keep them on the schedule, because they will always give you a game.  Best of luck the rest of the year - this is a fun conference to follow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2006, 09:49:00 AM

Keene and Plymouth both come back to earth last night... good news for our big boys in the CCC.


Roger Williams goes down in a tight one to Connecticut College 68-65.  No boxscore that I can find.

Salve took out Worcester State in OT 77-75.  Coute didn't shoot real well overall, but he hit 4-7 from three and scored 21 to lead SRU.  Walsh contributed 14 and Grandal 12 (but only 1 rebound).  WSC shot 1-14 from the arc, but 50% overall, very wierd game.  Salve got a decent win though; a good result for them.

AMC went down at home to Fitchburg 91-82.  No stats yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2006, 09:55:31 AM

This weekend's matchups:

Saturday

WIT @ AMC
CC plays Alvernia in a tourney at Scranton
GC @ ENC
CSC @ EC
SRU @ NC
UNE @ RWU
NEC @ St Joseph's (Long Island)

Sunday

Curry plays either Scranton or Chestnut Hill at the tourney in Scranton
UNE @ Middlebury


There appear to be some grudge matches and some good conference tests.  We'll learn a lot this weekend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 06, 2006, 12:44:58 PM
I don't know why ENC and Gordon would schedule this game while both schools are still on winter break.  While this game would usually have a packed gym you can probably expect a really poor turnout for saturday's match.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2006, 01:10:35 PM

Hey Chris, ENC has been back in class since Tuesday.  They run a January term attended by like 85-90% of the student body.  I think ENC does this on purpose so that they can have the most fans around.  Certainly the ENC support of their athletic teams has not been what it once was of late.  They would hate to be shown up in their own place.  Even when the talent level of the two squads was very different, these games were always close.  I'm not so sure that will be the case this year.  It could be a rout.  ENC hasn't played in a month and they were legitimately one of the five worst teams in the country pre-Christmas.  I hope they can pick it up for the sake of the rivalry, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 07, 2006, 11:35:58 AM
Yeah my bad, I didn't realize ENC started so early.  That makes more sense now from ENC's standpoint.  I am still disappointed on missing out on the game today though even if it won't be close at all.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 07, 2006, 01:24:09 PM
in response about Keene and Plymouth coming back to earth...

in a way yes i mean their records arent as flawless as they were, keene having lost 2 in a row is too bad, the loss to bridgewater was a battle within itself as Keene was without 2 of their starters who themselves are 3 year starters in the Keene program so thats HUGE to lose 2 guys like that for one game.  the loss to Springfield is legit they were still without one of their starters but sully was back and springfield is a very good team. 

keene should return to full strength soon and get back to their winning ways, this is likely just a minor setback...

as for plymouth they could be in some BIG BIG BIG trouble, Andreas Pope their all-american caliber player has not played since the semesters end which means 1 of 3 things.....1.) hes hurt....2.) hes ineligible....3.)hes off the team for some off the court issue other than grades.....

now i havent a clue which of the 3 it is but it has to be 1 of them, and without him plymouth goes from a contender to a pretender big time....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on January 07, 2006, 06:53:05 PM
EC 58-55 over CSC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Rachel Ray on January 07, 2006, 07:55:38 PM
RWU 40   UNE 36

not the other way around as listed on the scoreboard
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 07, 2006, 09:30:56 PM
Rachel:

Thanks.  I fixed the errant entry for RWU-UNE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 08, 2006, 12:16:26 PM
Gordon over ENC 74-50, as expected

-Big win for Endicott over Colby-Sawyer, they have to be the favorites right now headin into this second semester
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2006, 10:23:57 AM

WIT over AMC big, 78-52 at Anna Maria.  Bolton had 16, Doyle 15, Gaine had 12; PB & J had a bad night, poor shooting, still managed 8.  Anthony McDonald had 16 for AMC.  I guess the disparity from North to South just keeps going up.

Gordon took care of ENC as expected 74-50.  Marstaller had 19, Voglesang and Schanckenberg had 10 a piece.  Colby DaSilva (I haven't even heard that name yet) led ENC with 14.  corey had 10.  ENC shot very well from three and seemed to play very well offensively, but they couldn't stop GC and ENC also committed 24 turnovers, which sealed their fate.

EC over CSC 58-55, effectively ending CSC hopes for a tourney berth, short of winning the conference tourney.  I guess Foti should have taken a better job last year, when he had the chance.  St Clair had 18, Kenny had 13 and Truncellito had 11.  George had 21 and Marinkovic had 17 for EC.  Turnovers were even, rebounds were close, it came down to EC's superior three-point shooting and CSC allowing 42% from the floor.  It just seems odd that CSC is struggling so much of FG% defense, having only lost one player.  Apparently Condon made a bigger impact than any of us gave him credit for.

Salve big over Nichols 74-57.  Nichols was never really in this game at home.  Butler was shut down, Leis had 17 and Vallee 13.  For Salve, Grendal went for 20 and 9, Coute for 19 and Goodridge had 12 and 6 with 9 assists.  Salve seems to be rolling down South.  Look for them to be the #2 seed going into the playoffs unless somebody wakes up and goes on a run.

RWU over UNE 40-36 in one of the lowest scoring games I've ever seen in d3.  The score was 19-14 UNE at the half.  Neither team shot better than 33% from the floor and there were turnovers everywhere.  Stinckney led UNE with 12 and 13, Barrett had ten off the bench for RWU and Barranger had 11 rebounds.  Wierd game, but a win for RWU nonetheless; I'm sure they'll take it.

NEC loses to St Joe's of Long Island 52-75.  Jaziri had 15, new player LaPan had 12.  They got outrebounded by 20, which led to less possessions and thus, less points.  That's about it.

Curry lost to Alverina in Scranton 80-48.  Alvernia got out to a big lead and coasted home, so this was a blowout.  The Christmas break and Lamb's return have killed this CC team.  They are cretainly not the same team that beat Trinity early in the year, even though they have more talent now.  I'm not sure what Wynn is going to do here.  Lamb had 19 and Bartelle had 15.  They shot less than 30%, allowed better than 50% and got outrebounded by 25.  Not looking good for Curry.

It didn't get any better the next day when they lost to Scranton 51-47.  It was closer, but Scranton was coming off a loss to winless Chestnut Hill, so not a good showing for Curry; they probably should have stayed in New England for the weekend.  Mohrin had 12, Lamb 11 and Prescod 10.  They shot better, played better d, still got outrebounded and had foul trouble.  I'm not sure what to expect from this team, game to game.

Finally, UNE lost to Middlebury 50-61.  Stickney had 12, McManus had 13.  They shot poorly from three (where they live and die) and got to the line ten times less than Middlebury, which is the difference in score.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2006, 03:34:27 PM

I had an interesting thought looking at the D3 legislation being voted on today.  The CCC has asked for an exemption for conferences reforming to get an AQ.  Which basically means, if there are seven existing teams in AQ conferences, who form a new conference, they don't have to sit through a waiting period to get an AQ to the tourney.  At first, I took this to mean that the top of the CCC was expecting to bolt to a new conference.  We had some discussion about who would be in and who would be out.  Now I'm starting to think it might not be a plan to create a super conference like the MAC has.  For basketball, the MAC plays as two conferences of eight teams each, garnering two AQ's.  However, for football and other sports they play as one conference, but have enough participating schools to still get AQ's.

With WNEC coming to the CCC, it will only take one more school to create two, seven team conferences and try for another AQ.  Not having to go through the waiting period would make this painless for everyone.  It sounds like a great plan.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2006, 09:32:03 AM

I didn't even realize it, but WIT went to Virginia last night and lost to Marymount 58-73.  Prezzie-Blue got back on track with 19, Hall had 13; Doyle, 11.  They allowed better than 50% shooting from the floor and only hit about 30% themselves.  WIT wasn't hitting from three either.  They lost both the turnover and rebounding battles.


Tonight's Match-ups:

SRU @ CC
AMC @ ENC (ENC's best chance at a win this year)
CSC @ Middlebury
NEC @ Newbury
RWU @ NC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on January 10, 2006, 09:42:15 PM
Middlebury over CSC 79-74.  Thorpe and St. Clair each had 16.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on January 11, 2006, 07:42:22 AM
NEC held on and beat Newbury by 4 last night 65-61. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2006, 09:00:41 AM

Did you all see that score?  ENC 81  AMC 43?   Can that be real?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2006, 09:26:05 AM

It's true ENC 81, AMC 43.  This was rediculous.  AMC only scored 18 points in the second half.  Jasmin led ENC with 17 and 8, Jean-Noel added 14, Christian Corey had 12 and Marcellus went for 12 and 11.  AMC shot less than 30% from the field, was 1-15 from the arc and only hit 60% of their free throws.  The rebound margin was 55-29, which seems to have caused the big scoring disparity.  ENC did shoot 47% from the free throw line, so that's the one downside for them.  This was ENC's biggest chance to win a game this year, but I never expected it to be by 38 pts.  Madsen Loussaint, AMC's star freshman, leading scorer and best player has not appeared in the box score after Christmas, which could also be contributing to the fall of the AMCATS.  It's doubtful Anna Maria would have won any games this year without Loussaint's contirbutions before the break.  Sadlowski led the team with 12 points.

Curry rallied to barely beat Salve 62-59, keeping hopes alive for a first place finish in the South.  Lamb had 21, Mohrin had 12 and LAmarre had 10 rebounds for the victors.  Bartelle barely played at all; I wonder if this was disciplinary or injury?  Coute led Salve with 18 and Grendal put up 17 and 13.  Woodworth alos had 12 pts for SRU.  Curry only committed 7 turnovers to Salve's 14, but rebounding was fairly even.  Curry had 12 extra possessions which seems to have sealed the victory.  Salve did shoot 8-14 from three, with Coute sinking 4-8 and Woodsworth getting all four of the ones he took.  There seems to be a lot of discipline on both teams; these two are clearly the cream of the South teams.

CSC, on the other hand, is not doing so well, losing to Middlebury 74-79.  Middelbury has been playing very well this year, but not so well that they should have won this game.  Someone up there in New London needs to do some investigating and tell us why the season is not working out as planned.  Did Condon really have that much effect on the defense?  St Clair went for 16 and 11.  Thorpe also had 16.  Middlebury shot nearly 50% in the game and CSC sent them to the line 42 times, hitting 28 of them.  CSC got twenty more possessions than did Middlebury, but couldn't make up for all those freebies.

RWU over Nichols 73-70, somehow putting another good game together.  Lewis and Vallee had 21 a piece for Nichols with Butler putting in 13 and 12.  Both Vallee and Mercer had 5 assists.  These guys play well, but never enough defense to win these important games.  Luckily the team is still pretty young; they may have a decent future.  RWU was led by 18 and 8 from Parrish, 16 from Camobreco, 12 from Barrett with 7 assists and 5 steals, and ten from Barranger with 4 blocks.  RWU looks to be re-establishing their inside presence, but we'll know more about how they are progressing when they play more of the North squads.

NEC over Newbury 65-61 as d3ballin said, I couldn't even find the score anywhere, let alone stats.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 11, 2006, 10:46:26 AM
  well i guess it is about time i put my two cents worth in about csc..i have watched them struggle this season and this is what i think.......first they do not have a condon or betts player,second they have to many wanna be nba players, and third, they have yet to have a consistant starting line-up where they get to know each other..they have been in most games but there is not one person who knows how to defend against a three.they play back from the player and seem, to me, just watch and not get their arms up or move towards them to make them move or take a bad shot. i could add a few more but i will bite my tounge on them to keep from doing so.........they need to get their act togeather and they need to do it right now!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2006, 11:10:42 AM

Thanks for the input John; you've probably seen more of their games than anyone.  It just baffles me that, especially on the perimeter, they have the same team as last year, but they just can't stop the threes anymore.  Is it that they don't trust the interior defense and feel they have to play off to help out?  I'm not sure, but after the recent five game losing streak, one thing is for certain; they will have to win the conference tournament to sniff the NCAAs.  CSC is a far cry from the team we expected to see and a far cry from the team they should be.  I really do think Foti is kicking himself for not getting out of there to a better gig after last season, but maybe even he couldn't see this slide coming.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2006, 11:18:48 AM

Line-up for Thursday Night:


NEC hosts Johnson State
CSC @ GC
RWU @ AMC
NC @ SRU
ENC @ Worcester State
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2006, 11:19:28 AM

It's the battle for second place in the North at Gordon on Thursday.  Any predictions?  Both teams seem to have been off their games of late.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 11, 2006, 11:23:11 AM
hoops fan
i for one had very good feelings about csc this year.the first two games seemed to say that they were on the right road, but they were against lessor teams. still i thought they could go somewhere.they held there own in a couple more but didnt win..against ec they came out on fire and i thought this is the start and then they just seemed to go back to their bad ways..i dont know how many times this year i have seen st.clair open down under and they will not get the ball to him,best or one of they best in the ccc, use him.he is smart enough to kick it back out if needed. why run the ball all the way down the court and take a junk shot when there is no one else on your team to rebound,have seen that to often.there is one big factor that sticks out in my mind and they are not doing the little things that need to be done. they still have some time left but they need to turn things around right now before it is to late and it may already be.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 11, 2006, 12:30:49 PM
 i have a prediction about csc and gc.........if csc does not win,their season is done,over,finished,up the river,down the river,in the hopper,under the rug,in the grave,flushed,tanked and what ever else you want to add.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2006, 12:57:44 PM

I had been thinking about that and its sad you had to bring it up, john, but its true.  Andy St. Clair should be averaging like 28-30 points per game and he could do it because of his supporting cast.  His sophomore year, the average was pretty high, but he's trailed off a little since then, mostly because the other players want to score too.  It's just not healthy for a team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 11, 2006, 02:48:49 PM
if st clair was getting the touches he should get he would be averaging 25 a game or better...

-in their loss to Keene St. Clair went 4-11 with 5 offensive boards finished with 12 and 11

-in their loss to Bowdoin (I saw this game in person as well) St. Clair went 6-13 with 4 offensive rebounds and finished with 13 and 11

-in their loss to Brandeis St. Clair went 8-16 with 5 offensive boards finished with 18 and 10

-in their loss to Springfield St. Clair went 7-13 with 1 offensive board and finished with 18 and 6

-in their loss to Trinity (TX) St. Clair went 10-16 with 6 offensive boards and finished with 29 and 13

-in their loss to Endicott St. Clair went 7-15 with 1 offensive board and finished with 18 and 8

-in their loss to Middlebury St. Clair went 6-11 with 2 offensive boards and finished with 16 and 11

the point with the offensive rebounds is those games when hes getting 3, 4, 6 offensive rebounds at least half of those are resulting in a FG attempt which means getting a shot of wasnt due to his teammates getting him the ball it was him working his butt off to crash the boards and get his own.  only taking 10-15 FG attempts a game isnt going to get you an average of 25+
in CSC losses this year st. clair has gone 48-95 thats just about an average of 50% FG from the floor, quite efficient.  however that comes out to just 13.5 FG attempts per game your best player needs to get more that 14 shots per game if your gonna get him to produce the numbers an all-american is capable of.  Now I'm not sure whos responsibility it is to let the team know who needs to get ball but knowning St. Clair hes not one to verbally ask to be selfish, so Foti or someones needs to get the messege accross GET ST. CLAIR THE BALL!

reason i mentioned i saw the bowdoin game was that game was enough to reinforce everything I had assumed was happening, colby-sawyer was down by double digits almost from the get go and whenever they made a run and cut it to 4 or 5 it was because they were pounding it in to st clair who had position all night, then they wouldnt find him for 7 strait possessions and the lead is back up to 13, he got position on the block amost EVERY position down the court and his team failed to get him the ball.  If he starts getting 20 shots a game I honestly believe Colby-Sawyer still has a chance of making a run by years end, hell give it to him almost every time down the court treat him like hes the dominant big man that he is, hes not one to force things, he commands double teams and is very unselfish, he'll find the open man.

I apoligize for the lenth of this post its just somethin I figured I'd share with other people that I've noticed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 11, 2006, 03:59:30 PM
 ;D
this is to broke_ya_ankles.............you took the words right out of my mouth but, for certain reasons i could not come right out and state it the way you did......you are 100% right...thank you
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 11, 2006, 04:47:50 PM
Expectations for tomorrows CSC/Gordon game:

With CSC struggling with perimeter defense and St. Clair is not getting the touches he needs down low for CSC I feel that will play right into Gordon's hands.  Gordon is known for shooting the three ball and their interior defense and rebounding has been suspect this year.  If CSC pounds the ball down low Gordon will be in trouble, but with CSC five game losing streak and the team not taking advantage of St. Clair down low, I see Gordon getting a big win tomorrow at the Bennett Center.  I like Gordon by 7.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 11, 2006, 08:44:25 PM
Hey Hoops fan in response to the Curry game last night I don't know what's wrong with Coach Wynn but all I can tell you is that he really doesn't see talent all he see's is big names.  Lamb is one hell of a player but before he got back on the team this year Bartelle was the leading scorer of the team but doesn't get the respect of it the team doesn't look to feed him the ball and when he's on like the springfield game where he hit 5 three pointers in the first half they don't go back to him it's like he doesn't exist out there.  Wynn really needs to give this kid a chance because he's a really good ball player but I don't think his team even notices it.  He played maybe 4 mins last night and he wasn't injuryed so what was the reason who knows, but I personally don't think it's fair to treat kids like this who have the pontential to do great things.  They barely beat Salve because most of their points was on the bench.  Lamb is a very good player but I don't think he's the answer.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 11, 2006, 09:23:16 PM
I'm glad to have said what I said and even more glad that others see it as well...I played against Andrew for 3 years in high school and got to know him a little during some all-star showcase games and during our conference games through a mutual friend, hes a helluva player a class act all-american and i absolutely HATE seing his senior season go the way its going, he deserves better and his teammates should realize this and step it up and find that winning mentality that goes hand in hand with colby-sawyer tradition.  the thing is its still rather early, CSC still has a chance to salavage the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on January 11, 2006, 11:47:53 PM
Well the answer to why bartelle is not get minutes is because his overall game is not consistent and is limited to just shooting. I think he has a great shot, but needs to work on his defense . Overall Curry did not come back 100% after the break, but maybe a bad start leads to a great finish. I see curry is playing RW tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2006, 09:09:32 AM
Quote from: broke_ya_ankles on January 11, 2006, 09:23:16 PM
the thing is its still rather early, CSC still has a chance to salavage the season.


Yes, but they have to win the tournament now, which is more than they would have had to do if they came into the season ready to play.


As far as Curry goes, Lamb will be needed if they want to make any post-season noise, but he certainly has ruined the chemistry the team had in the first semester both this year and last year.  Last season they were able to get it together enough to make a decent run at the end of the year.  The changes to the team scare me, but I'll wait and see what Wynn can get out of them; they ended up pretty decent last year, so time will tell.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2006, 09:10:29 AM
Line-up for Thursday Night:


NEC hosts Johnson State
CSC @ GC
RWU @ AMC
NC @ SRU
ENC @ Worcester State
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 12, 2006, 01:40:32 PM
Well your talking about inconsistant I have seen this kid play and don't get me wrong his defense does need a little, but the only reason he's limited to shooting because soon as he makes a nice move to the basket he gets sub out so what would that do to you as a player it would tell you to just shoot the ball.  Lamb is the best player in the CCC with Mohrin, Prescod, and M. Jones and the new freshman who's year is going well can make a run, but what i'm saying about him is that his team doesn't give him a chance to keep up what he's doing he gets looked off more then any player i've ever seen play the sport.  Yea sure he has a great shot but i've seen him play over the summer at Jim Calhouns basketball camp against guys like Kevin Ollie, Donnie Marshall, Marcus williams this kid really turned heads, and I quote from Donnie "This kid has one of the purest shots and the goes to the rim harder the most of the players I see in College Basketball today".  I respect the kid that's all and if you can see what i do then you would know.  Don't watch his stats watch his game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2006, 02:41:05 PM

If he really had all those talents (which I'm not doubting) he would be playing elsewhere and not paying for school.  There have to be downsides to his game and quite a few of them if Wynn is really benching him.  Malcolm Wynn has earned a lot of respect over the years in the area.  He's not just some guy on the way up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 12, 2006, 04:29:33 PM
Well for what i'm understanding he had a full scholarship to Florida A&M but lost it due to a case he was involved in that the charges got dismissed on his behalf but the school revoked his scholarship.  He's good but the thing is he isn't getting the chance to really show himself.  There's people all over the city of Boston who knows this kid and what he can do even malcolm but what i'm saying is the Coach Wynn has his favorites and he's not one of them.  i promise you this when he get that chance he will explode and then you will see what I mean.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2006, 04:45:05 PM

Bartelle had his chance and made the most of it before Christmas; he was great.  However, if he can't fit into a different role now that the team is starting to come back together, then it's his fault.  You can't blame the coach because he's doing what he thinks is best for the team.  At some point this kid has to take responsibility for the way he is playing.  This game is not about letting a kid show off what he can do, its about using all the talent in the best way for the team.  What is it going to do for him if Tim Jones comes back and takes even more touches away.  An athletic, talented kid like Bartelle, should be able to be a quality lock-down defender and third option without his game blowing up.  I have yet to see evidence he can do that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 12, 2006, 05:30:02 PM
you know what you are so right and I agree with you on that.  there's no argeument there I just hope he does get things together because to waste talent like that would be a shame, but some sources tell me that half the Curry team won't be playing against Anna Maria due to suspension don't know why but this is his chance to step up and really help the team Good Point Hoops Fan it is an team thing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on January 12, 2006, 05:49:32 PM
Hoops fan is right, but I ask myself this why was James Bartelle even mentioned in the first place, curry won that day, any teams goal is to win, it's not about individual and their stats. But from what I'm reading how do you know so much about James Bartelle, from scholarship offers, charges being dismissed, to summer activities. Then on top of that to complain about how many minutes he's getting and then to say most of their players will not be playing Saturday. I think college expert just revealed he his James Bartelle. But that's not important, I just don't think you should be complaining because things shouldn't just be handed out to any player and then to brag about comments made about you or "so called" college offers. Hope Coach Wynn is checking the posts!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 12, 2006, 06:52:09 PM
Just because collegeexpert72 knows alot about Bartelle and Curry doesn't mean he is actually Bartelle.  Teamates, alumni, and friends of Bartelle could also have known this information.  Is there a chance that collegeexpert72 is actually posting about himself? sure there is, but I think we have to give posters the benefit of the doubt till its known for sure.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: buddy on January 12, 2006, 07:19:48 PM
I agree with HoopsFan & whoever else said that Coach Wynn is a well established, good coach.  I want CollegeExpert72 to give us more insights as to how he knows about the Curry suspensions. Doesn't this stuff belong "in house"?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 12, 2006, 07:45:26 PM
well for one I know his High School Coach, and very close friends of his Mentor  Al MCclain the all-time leading scorer at UNH.  I know the kid personally to and he is a great kid, and has great pontential, and he can help this team greatly.  I'm the one who suggested to him to go to curry because I used to play there myself, and I know alot of people there and I know what's going on with everyteam at Curry not just the Basketball team.  as for the Suspensions I can't tell you what it was for because it is in house but the suspensions are already known to most schools.  Also lamont I don't knock you for thinking I was him but I don't say anything when all that is mentioned on here is Andrew St. clair or Gordon College or whatever i'm giving respect to where it's due and he hasn't gained yours yet like he has alot of people aorund the City but you will Respect him at the end of this season mark my words.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 12, 2006, 10:29:59 PM
Gordon 69 - CSC 51

St. Claire had 20 and 8 for CSC.  Herr had 15 and 6 and Kaufman had 16 and 6 for Gordon.  St. Claire had no help tonight, no else on CSC scored in double figures.  Best game I've seen this year from Gordon, well rounded contributions from the whole team. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 12, 2006, 10:35:02 PM
I was at the GC Colby game tonight and I have to say Gordon looked pretty good.  The final score was 69-51 Gordon.  GC out-played, out-shot and out-coached CSC tonight.  Colby just looked bad, they shot horribly and defended even worse.  St. Clair played well and finished with 20 and 8 including 4 offensive rebounds, but was under utilized.  He had a couple shots blocked by GC defenders, though when he had the ball on the block they had a tough time stopping him.  Personally I feel bad for him he is a great player and a class act and CSC doesn't deserve him, they don't get him the ball and I don't think they know that they have in him.  Foti must be losing his mind he look dazed all night and made some odd descisions such as having St. Clair on the bench for 14 minuets, including sitting him down when CSC trailed by 11 with 7 or so minuets left with the game slipping away.  St. Clair is their team and after watching tonight I am convinced they don't know it.

As for GC they were lead by Kaufman with 16pts, 6rebs and 4ast and Herr who had 15, 6 and 3.  It was a good team effort and a solid shooting night for GC.  This win is big for them especially when you think they did it with out a starter (Shnakenberg) and a key reserve (Mark Beebe) both out with minor injuries.  GC looked good and it will be fun to see how the fair when Endicott comes to town on January 31st.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 13, 2006, 01:15:05 AM
While St. Clair was the only thing CSC had going tonight, his final stats were buffered by the fact that 6 of those points and 3 of those boards came when GC had already stretched their lead to 15+.  They were garbage stats.  Why do we all feel as though we need to build this kid up, even when he has a bad game like he did tonight?  Yes he was pre-season 3rd Team All-American.  But is there a rule that says we can't be critical of them?  I think not. 

This was not the same CSC team that has been the dominate figure head of the CSC in years past.  They fought just to stay close, and when that was no longer a possible, they, including Foti, mailed in the final 5 minutes of the game.  As a spectator, I was very, very, disappointed in CSC's effort tonight.  I was hoping they would have some pride and play until the final whistle.

That being said GC was on fire, in every facet.  With Marstaller going down early b/c of fouls, soph. Marino came in in a huge way and did as good as anyone has against St. Clair.  He had at least 3 blocks on the kid, not to mention 2 or 3 steals.  Put that with the 3pt shooting of Beebe, Herr and Kauffman, and CSC was done before they stepped foot on the court in the 2nd half.

It will still be interesting to see how GC performs at CSC.  As we are all aware, CSC's home is anything but a cake walk.  Very few live to tell the tail.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 13, 2006, 09:21:20 AM
to 24/7/365........... does that mean the rest of his stats were because he took gc to school without any team around him?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2006, 09:26:59 AM
GC 69 CSC 51.  I was thinking something like this might happen.  I'm now starting to wonder if Foti is just trying to get fired.  It's just not fair the way St Clair is ending his career.  He certainly won't be an all-american come the end of the year, when it really counts and that's sad.  His 20 and 8 was already mentioned.  Bray had 4 assists and 3 steals.  Kauffman had 16 and 6 with 4 assists and 3 steals.  Herr had 15 and Logan had 10.  Gordon shot 10-21 from three (nearly 50%).  CSC didn't hit any, not one, 0-11.  There were barely any free throws.  Gordon forced 18 turnovers from CSC and hung tough on the boards.  Let's recap our uncharacteristic stats for CSC: poor rebounding, poor three pt shooting, poor ballhandling, poor perimeter defense and selfish play.  You know the talent is there because they are in some of these games (albeit, not last night's).  I really have to assume Foti doesn't care anymore.  He would have been on these guys and this would never have happened in previous years.

NEC loses a close one to Johnson State 67-70.  I'm not sure either of these schools posts box scores anywhere.  Tough home loss for NEC; they probably should have won this one.  They needed it if they wanted to try and stay at .500 for the year.

NC 81 SRU 72  Now this one totally throws me.  Nichols lost at home to Salve by 17 last week and now this... very strange.  Salve gave up double digit leads in both halves.  Butler had 16 points.  Vallee had 16 also, along with 8 assists and 6 steals.  Lewis had 14 and Mercer had 12.  For Salve, Coute had 14, Woodworth had 19 and continues to give Todd Doyle a run for Rookie of the Year, Grendal had 13 and 9.   Nichols didn't shoot well from three, but Salve was over 50% (currently 10th in the country at 43.9%).  Nichols got to the line three times for than Salve and that, along with a very wide rebound margin, seemed to have evened things out.  I have to believe that no one is in control of the South anymore and even ENC has a chance to get the #4 spot with a timely win or two.

Speaking of ENC, they lost a close one to Worcester State in Worcester 49-51.  ENC just can't seem to win the close ones (or really any at all).  ENC had a halftime lead of nine, but blew it in the end and couldn't get it done.  FT's were even; ENC shot well from outside, but WSC kept pounding the ball into the paint and had success.  Noel had 15 for the Crusaders and Jasmin had 14.  ENC has played a lot better since the break.  They played tough in the Gordon game, but as we saw last night, GC is lights out right now.  I guess ENC decided they didn't want to be a laughingstock.

RWU over AMC 73-64.  I can't mind stats anywhere yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2006, 09:50:05 AM

Just an update on where the CCC players and teams stand nationally:

McManus (UNE)
t32nd in 3pt fg made per game with 3.3
8th in 3pt fg% with 50.8

Grendal (SRU)
t26th in rebounds per game with 10.0

Stickney (UNE)
t26th in rebounds per game with 10.0
t34th in blocks per game with 2.1

St. Clair (CSC)
t38th in rebounds per game with 9.7

Onyechi (NEC)
41st in rebounds per game with 9.6
t39th in blocks per game with 2.0

Sylvia (NEC)
50th in rebounds per game with 9.4

Mercer (NC)
t49th in assists per game with 5.1

Marstaller (GC)
18th in blocks per game with 2.5

Montrond (UNE)
t2nd in steals per game with 4.0

Endicott
15th in scoring defense allowing 60.6 points per game
33rd in FG% defense allowing 39.1%
t38th in FT% with 73.3%

Curry
42nd in scoring defense allowing 62.7 points per game

Salve Regina
t46th in scoring defense allowing 62.9 points per game
10th in 3pt FG% with 43.4%
t46th in rebound margin with +6.6 rebounds per game

Wentworth
t47th in scoring margin with +11.0 points per game
43rd in FT% with 73.2%

New England College
25th in FG% defense allowing 38.6%



A lot of these will change as more conference games are played, but not a single CCC player is averaging 20 points per game, sad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 13, 2006, 10:25:10 AM
I do not understand how everyone is saying that Gordon played a great game last night.  I am the biggest GC fan and I must say it was very sloppy.  To many turnovers, bad decisions, basicly it looked to much like a high school game.  Yes they won but if they play like that against EC they will loose by 40 next time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2006, 11:06:12 AM

It might have been sloppy, but they did things that they don't normally do against CSC, including sticking with them in rebounding.  Granted, CSC may have quit on the season already, but still a win by that margin was not expected.  Maybe it could have been more, but it was a great game compared to previous years.  I hope GC is capable of better, but that doesn't diminish what they accomplished last night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 13, 2006, 11:28:06 AM
"Took GC to school" puh-lease.  What a joke!  The Saint's 20 points is in now way indicative of the way he played.  As mentioned earlier, the majority of those stats came when the game no longer mattered, and Coach Schauer for GC, was gettn' his younger guys minutes.  The Saint was as much of a factor as the GC Women's Softball team selling concessions out in the lobby.

The Saint is a great player.  No one argues that point.  However, even the best players in the world struggle from time to time.  So to assume that a kid, who is in a lower tear D3 conference, will struggle as well is not a far fetched idea.  But I'll tell you what doesn't help, that "supporting" cast around him.  They were horrific.  If it weren't for Truncellito's defense, the GC faithful would have started the "warm-up the bus" chant after the 1st half.



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 13, 2006, 12:26:42 PM
24/7/365 

I don't know what you where watching but most of Andrew St. Clair's points came early in the second half when CSC closed the gap to 2.  If CSC gave him the ball at all in the first half the game would have been much different.  Again, I am happy the GC won but you can just go around posting up with tainted views.  ST. Clair scored 10 points in the first 6 minutes of the second half.  And also, the extended bench didn't play that much.  GC only played there normal 7-8 guys except for the freshman DeLuca who has put two great games together off the bench.  I can't stand when people pump up there team more then it should be.  You need to be a little more careful with your outlandish remarks.  This was not a good game for GC at all.  They should have won by 30+ but sloppy play diminished the performance.  Of the 40 minutes GC only really played for about 23 minutes of decent ball.

I am as much of a Homer as the next one but be more realistic.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 13, 2006, 01:38:50 PM
the thing is, gordon won. forit didn't lose on purpose and st. clair didn't have a bad game. gordon out played colby. they shot lights out, and were tight on defense. and quite honestly, if they shoot like they did and play defense like they did last night, there is no way they will lose to endicott by 40.

and for anyone who might have thought bray is the best point guard in the conference, kaufman shut him right down last night. it was a good game from gordon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 13, 2006, 02:00:26 PM
To Captain James akirk.  My remarks are nothing close to, outlandish, nor did I "pump" up my team, which apparently you can't stand.  My comments, however, were true.  The Saints 20 points couldn't have been less meaningful.  Because even when he got the lead down to 2 (which was actually 3) his "supporting" cast had no heart to take it further.  So when the Saint saw that, he, as well as Foti, packed it in.

I really hope that your are true in your statement of GC only really playing "23 minutes of decent ball." Because if that's the case, I would love to see the throttling they would put on CSC if they played 24 decent minutes, or dare I say, 25.

Listen I understand that as a CSC fan you are upset at 6 straight losses.  I know I would be upset if my team was being made a mockery of night in and night out.  That being the case, vent your frustration with Foti or #44 Szeliga.  Or vent it on the fact that Bray was absolutely owned by Kauffman. But don't try to pick me apart my arguing semantics.   
 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 13, 2006, 03:03:55 PM
id like to be the first to say colby-sawyer is down......not out.

its still early in the CCC schedule, and colby-sawyer is an unimpressive 2-2, however theres still another 13 games or so.  And Colby-Sawyer will at least have a shot to string together a tourney run.  There next 3 games are against Anna Maria (2-9, 0-3), NEC (5-5, 1-1) and Salve (8-5, 2-3) all winable games which could put them up to 5-2 and right back into the mix. 

Colby-Sawyer seemed to have played god awful against Gordon by the sounds of it and the looks of the box score, I would look for them to at least give gordon a 10pt game next time around, Foti can still coach, its just a matter of if he will or not, and playing in wenham and New London is quite different.  CSC is 2-1 at home this season out of 12 games, playing only a 1/3 of your games at home is tuff to have to amazing of a record, and colby-sawyer has been playing some very good out of conference teams. 
Keene State 10-3
Bowdoin 8-3
Brandeis 7-5
Springfield (4-10) however this record is extremely deceitful, springfield is a much better team than 4-10
Trinity 9-4
Middlebury 10-3

so it hasnt exactly been a cakewalk for the chargers.  6 of their final 12 games will be in new london where colby-sawyer typically plays much better and oppositions playing slightly worse.  I can realistically see CSC going 8-4 to close out the season and finish .500.  perhaps even better if they can steal one from EC or Gordon.  St. Clair is averaging 24 points and better than 12 boards a game in New London so far this season so I expect him to carry through with better numbers at home. 

I honestly believe the key to the chargers is within one person, and its not st clair nor is it foti....but pat kenny.   It seems his past 2 years he was that silent scorer that seemed to often make a difference.

Another thing, James Thorpe makes a HUGE difference for Colby-Sawyer, their 2nd leading scorer missed 5 games at the end of the first semester and recovering from Mono takes some time, and hopefully as the season closes out hes back to 100% and is contributing like he did at the start of the season. 

given its a long shot and a lot needs to go just right but Colby-Sawyer shouldnt be counted out just yet.

and no these arent meant are excuses, i look at them as reasons for optimism. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2006, 03:16:47 PM

Yeah, that was a big thing I noticed this season: the 3pt shooting seems to be lacking for CSC.  Kenny has at least kept teams honest in the past, however, anyone who's seen the team in action knows, it's not just increased defense that's slowing St Clair down.  CSC just has to play better than they have been, but they will have to win the conference tourney, probably at Endicott to make te post-season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 13, 2006, 03:28:41 PM
 now i dont know what to think about the csc-gc game.i did not see it in person but can only read what you people write. some is pro and some is con.. 24\7\365 did you see all the game or did you miss some when you were working at the conssesion stand???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 13, 2006, 03:43:11 PM
24\7\365

Apparently you do not read everything posted.  As I said, I am one of the biggest GC fans around at least for the last 6 or 7 years.  By no means am I a CSC fan.  As a matter of fact I can't stand them.  But I do realize that GC has not put a complete game together at all and despite the end result (a win), I am not encouraged by the play of the Scots last night. 

Oh and to point out one more thing, if the score was dwindled to two (and it was two) how can you say that as you said it   "The Saint's 20 points is in now way indicative of the way he played.  As mentioned earlier, the majority of those stats came when the game no longer mattered, and Coach Schauer for GC, was gettn' his younger guys minutes.  The Saint was as much of a factor as the GC Women's Softball team selling concessions out in the lobby."  I wonder if you where actually at the game because Coach Schauer did not put any non-regular players in at all.

Before you try to bash anything said please do your homework first.  It will save you from looking ignorant.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on January 13, 2006, 04:59:10 PM
Ok, I havent posted in a while but I needed to say a few things.  I went to the gordon csc game last night.  First of all at the beggining of the season, all I was hearing about was this unbeatbale csc teams, with this unanimous league MVP in St. Clair so I go to watch them play last night expecting to see the D3 version on the 1960's celtics with st clair being Russell,  WOW was I wrong.  This team was terribly sloppy and the only reason St. Clair had any of the numbers he had is because he must of took close to 40 shots.  Mid way through the second half he took six shots in a row that barely touched the rim, not even coming close to going in.  Gordon didn't even look that good CSC was just that bad. This team without the hype is not a good baseketball team at all.  Gordon and Ec werent scared of what they have heard that is why both of them won, the only thing CSC have going for them is  the lower end schools get nervous to play this "unbeatable team".

secondly whoever wrote all thos stats on D3 really needs to go get a job and take it easy.  That was the saddest thing I had ever read and I feel that you should devote your time to something a little more intresting, or something more worth while. 

Tomorrow Ec plays now most people wouldnt concider that ne landmaqrk of a game but the real MVP of the league Matthew "the legend" George is 19 points away from scoring his 1000th point.  This is a great accomplishment in college and I wish matt the best of luck tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2006, 05:13:33 PM

You might want to pay a little more attention to the records or even these boards next time if the shock of CSC's play was too much for you.  We stopped hyping CSC... oh about five seconds after their first game ended.

And as for the stats, well I totally didn't expect there to be that many (usually there are like four CCC highlights), but once I was in, I had to finish... I'm a bit OCD.  Like I said, those stats will go down by the end of the season and make them more manageable to list.

In all the talk about last night's games, I almost forgot to give the rundown for this weekend:

NC @ NEC
EC @ SRU
CC @ AMC
ENC @ WIT
GC @ UNE

CSC's taking the weekend off... well from games anyway... I would wager that they might be doing a little running and defensive drills.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 13, 2006, 05:25:08 PM
John,

I went to the game last night and I would say the game was somewhere betweens akirks version and 24/7/365 version.  St. Clair played good, whenever he got the ball on the post he scored, but he wasn't really dominating on either end of the floor.  CSC as a team played really bad, thats one thing everyone can agree on.  I thought that this was one of the better games I've seen Gordon play all year, they shot well, defended, and rebounded well.  They did have too many turnovers and some questionable decisions in the second half.  All in all it was a good game from Gordon and a horrible one from CSC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on January 13, 2006, 06:27:29 PM
I would like to add that CSC has all the talent they need to win a CCC champ and prob the best coach in the league.  The factor that will keep them from accomplishing this is the lack of effort by CSC players.  Every loose ball was tracked down by Gordon, there was a tremendous lack of ball pressure and the ability for Gordon to penetrate the middle and kick to three pointers was much to easy.  Either their scouting reports are poor, their coaching staff is not getting their players prepared well enough or the players are just mental midgets and ignore what their coach is telling them to do for each game!  If CSC could find just 5 players that would play with half the emotion coach foti coaches with then come feb and march they will be in the running.  You may think that all of my other posts have been to harsh...but i speak the truth....i see what i see....i also have been noticing zach ellis has been bulking up in the muscle department and if he continues to hit the gym he will be at the shape of oxten was at the end of last season.  I also have inside info that george believes he will get his 1000th point tomorrow because he has gotton a new haircut and has hit the tanning booth up
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on January 13, 2006, 08:00:03 PM
i would echo the point that colby sawyer is still alive. while they can kiss the 1 seed goodbye, their two conference losses have been at Gordon and Endicott. these are clearly the best teams in the north, and they still have home games left with each. had they lost at home it would be a bigger deal, but this scenairio presents them with a chance to hold serve at home and split the series. and since the luster of the colby auroa has completely worn off, GC and EC coaches might have to protect themselves from over confident teams going into the rematch. that is a probably a stretch, but you never know.

personally i dont believe the turnaround will come. their are just too many holes. they can't play D and they can't shoot from the outside (or at least stretch the d for the Saint). these aren't ingredients for success, let alone easy areas to fix. last night st. clair had 25-30 touches and i would say the team did look for him better than they have in the past. however, when you get nothing from the outside and no one else even posing a threat offensively, you can't expect a post guy to put up 40. their guard play is horrific. then you have the questionable coaching decisions that have been talked about, and the players basically quitting. you have to wonder if the schedule has backfired as preseason everyone was salivating at the fact CSC's SOS could get them an at large bid, and now it looks like all the losses have defeated the team mentally. they don't believe in themselves.

the memo to the CCC would be to let sleeping dogs lie

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 14, 2006, 11:23:09 AM
Anyone have any predictions for this weekend's action?  I have a few.  First the posts on this site will become even more "homerish" if that is even possible, Akirk will watch a completely different game than the rest of us, concession stand sales will hit an all time high with 24/7/365 at the helm, John will become even more bitter (if that is possible),  Matt George will score his 1000th point because he went tanning and got a hair cut and not because he is a great player, and lastly CCC#1 Player (who is an EC player as far as I can tell) will not become the CCC#1 Speller (try using spell checking or taking an English grammar class, if those are indeed offered at EC).

NC over NEC- Nichols has been playing well of late and should continue.

EC over SRU- Will be closer than people might think maybe even 5 points, Matt George will get his 1000th point it's too bad he couldn't do it at the post in front of his own fans.

CC over AMC- Even with CC recent "struggles" they will trounce the Amcats.

WIT over ENC- Shouldn't even be a close one.

GC over UNE- GC shooting stays hot and they get Shnakenberg back which will help a little look for a nice win for the Scots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 14, 2006, 06:38:44 PM
Well for what i'm understanding he had a full scholarship to Florida A&M but lost it due to a case he was involved in that the charges got dismissed on his behalf but the school revoked his scholarship.  He's good but the thing is he isn't getting the chance to really show himself.  There's people all over the city of Boston who knows this kid and what he can do even Wynn.]
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 14, 2006, 07:02:14 PM
The last post was an accident how do you modify or delete a post you don't want.  There's no option that I can see
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 15, 2006, 04:32:01 PM
Gordon 57 - UNE 46

Marstaller had 18, Herr had 15 and 8 for Gordon.  Isaac Stickney had 13 to lead UNE.  John Beebe continues to be a big spark off the bench for Gordon, he had 10 last night and 9 verse CSC the other night.  He doesn't take many shots, but he's been hitting his opportunities.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 10:44:05 AM
Quote from: collegeexpert72 on January 14, 2006, 07:02:14 PM
The last post was an accident how do you modify or delete a post you don't want.  There's no option that I can see

Up in the right hand corner of each post are options to modify or delete, but you have to be signed in to see them, and they are only in the posts you post.  These are right where the quote button is on everyone else's posts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 11:24:13 AM

Just to weigh in: I think CSC has the most talent in the conference if they put it together and the best shot at doing something in the big tourney.  It would be ideal to see them get in sync and run the rest of the way and make some noise against one of the big boys, but its been a long time now and I just don't know if they can do what needs to be done.  That being said, Endicott is certainly much better than I expected them to be and can represent us well if indeed they end up on top.

To recap the weekend:

AJ gave us the heads up on Gordon:  57-46 over UNE.  There just weren't very many possessions in this game, which contributed to the low score.  GC forced a few extra turnovers and really shut down McManus, which is the key to beating UNE; their supporting cast is really not strong enough to take out the top CCC teams without McManus lighting it up from the outside.  He did end up with 11 (7-8 FTs) to add to Stickney's 13.  GC, of course, led by 15 and 8 from Herr and 18 from Marstaller; Beebe had 10.  I'm a little concerned with the 18 points on 18 shots from Marstaller.  I know it was just UNE, but he's got to be a little more productive with that ball in the post.  50% is good and all, but you have to get to the line more than that if you are going to miss 9 shots down low.  It's fine for now, but that aspect of his game will need to improve against better post players.

EC over Salve by 20, 66-46.  EC seemed to breeze through this game with very little trouble.  They were way ahead in rebounding and nearly doubled up SRU in points by the half.  Marinkovic just ate up Grendal with 14 points, 9 boards and 5 steals.  George had 15, Burton had 12 and Ellis had 11.  They shot threes at will and never seemed to be seriously challenged or half to work hard.  Coute had 15 for Salve.

NEC over Nichols big 88-63.  Nichols must have no idea how to play defense, because they never seem to have trouble scoring.  Although, NEC just may be getting better, which hasn't happened in quite a while.  They are keeping these young guys around.  There's going to be one big fight up north for that #4 spot.  Jaziri led NEC with 25.  Quinn and Miller both had 10, three other players had 9 points.  Lewis and Butler both had 12 for NC, Baskerville and Costello both put in 11.  The turnovers were even, but NEC got 20 extra rebounds which led to 20 extra shots and the big win.  This one was never in doubt.  NEC is really getting their team together here.  As far as I can tell (last year's roster is still up on their website) they have no seniors and only three juniors, with their two best players only Sophomores.  If they can keep this squad together, they will be very dangerous over the next couple years.

WIT 75 ENC 52.  Doyle and Bolton each had 16 as WIT beat ENC from the backcourt (ENC's defacto "strength").  Gaine had 11.  ENC couldn't get to the line or hit their three pointers.  They once again rebounded fairly well, but committed too many turnovers.  Jasmin had 10; Dan Shaw had 12. 

Curry over AMC big as expected.  Nothing like a trip to Anna Maria to get a slow spell out of your system.  Although it seems they didn't worry too much about playing defense.  Curry was up only 9 at the half, but ran the AMCATS out of the gym in the second half.  Sadlowski had 19 and McDonald had 16 for AMC.  It seems the benching got through to Bartelle and he put all that talent to good use with 27 pts, 6 boards and 4 assists.  Lamb had 18 and 8 with 5 steals.  Largesse and Jones each had 15 points, Jones got 7 assists as well.  Lamarre pulled down 17 boards.  It looks like Wynn wanted to get his guys some confidence and only used 2 bench players for a total of 18 minutes.  Curry passed the ball, like we haven't seen from them in a while and only made two unforced turnovers.  Curry was raining in the threes (14-33) and seem to have gotten the message of team ball.  It was though, just Anna Maria, so we will have to see how CC does in its next game against Roger Williams tomorrow.

I hope Curry keeps playing like this because the matchup of their athleticism and Endicott's solid fundamentals on Feb 11th will be one for the ages.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 12:19:50 PM

I did a quick check of the box scores.  St Clair has averaged 19 ppg so far this year.  If he continues at that pace and CSC makes the conference championship game, he will get the 2000 point mark.  I don't care who you are or who you root for, that's a big deal.  Certainly, as we mentioned before, his scoring may be the key to CSC getting back in this thing.

Now I notice as soon as I counted it on my own, they posted stats on the CCC page through games on the 10th.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 16, 2006, 12:25:15 PM
ok I looked but I still don't see it I see the quote but not modify or delete.  Does that mean anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 12:33:18 PM

I have no idea.  Maybe you can't edit your posts until you've posted a certain number of times?  I have no clue.  There is a modify, quote and delete buttons on every one of my posts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 16, 2006, 12:36:56 PM
ok thanks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 12:40:25 PM

Tuesday night games:

CSC @ AMC (hopefully the losing streak stops here; for all our sakes)
EC @ UNE
NEC hosts Bard
WIT @ NC
RWU @ CC
ENC hosts Newbury
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 16, 2006, 01:04:01 PM
Dear Hoopsfan,
First, you really need to be at the game to write things like Marstaller needs to make more than 50%. Either way, they still won.

Staying on the sam track, if you were at the CSC.GC game Thursday night, you would not say CSC has the best overall talent. Without Schnack and Mark Beebe, and Marstaller in foul trouble early, Gordon bench picked it up. Nick Mario, John Beebe, and Freshman Tim Deluca helped the team out in a big way. St. Clair still hadhis game, but their guards were completely shut out by gordon. They were putting up shots that got nothing but backboard. We'll see if they turn around.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 01:32:26 PM

On the first point, I hope I made it clear enough that I knew it was only UNE and that this wasn't a knock on him.  I was just noticing that he only went 9-18 and only got to the line once.  I wasn't predicting how things were going to go.  I just pointed out a curious stat.  I know Marstaller's got game and he can improve that production, it was just something to look at in the future, especially when the competition picks up.

On the second point, I think you agreed with me.  CSC is wasting that talent away.  Talent is a measure of potential, not actuality.  GC and EC have both been playing well above my expectations for the year.  All I was saying is that if every team could play their best game, CSC would be the best team.  However, we have seen nothing even remotely close to their best game and at this point I don't expect to see it.  GC will have to bring their A game to New London for the match-up, but unless things change drastically, I still see GC pulling it out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 17, 2006, 11:58:49 AM
Differant. I think talent is what the players are doing right now. For example, on paper, the Yankees had the most talent of anyone last year, but on the field, other teams preformed better. Granted baseball isn't as much of a team sport as basketball, teams like EC and GC have better players coming off the bench to support their starters, who are already performing better than CSC. Unless CSC makes a serious K turn, I don't think they have the most talent in the league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2006, 12:08:54 PM

I'm not going to get into a semantics debate on here, so this is the last thing I'll say on the matter, but the definition of "talent" isn't up for debate; it's pretty set in stone.  It means "an innate ability."  You have talent or you don't.  It's up to you how much of it you use.  People can develop skills by hard work and practice.  No matter how hard I work I will never be as good as Tim Dwight (to use another not so tall, white guy); he's just got way more talent than me.  I hope you will agree.  But, if he stopped working out, sat on his butt for the next 18 month and gained 300 pounds; I could probably take him in a sprint and be of more use on a football field.  That doesn't mean his talent level has gone down any, he just stopped using it.

We totally agree that CSC is not using what they have; they are not right now the best team in the conference, nor will they be without some miracle of modern coaching.  They still have more talent assembled there than anyone else does.  That makes it even sadder, because they are wasting so much.  I don't think CSC would have to work as hard as Gordon does to be at the same level.  Props to the GC team for busting their butts and proving talent doesn't matter.  It just doesn't change how much talent a person or team has, it's about how they use it.

All that to explain my earlier statment:  It's a shame CSC is wasting all that talent.  They are easily the most talented team in the CCC and they just aren't doing anything with it.

Now I'm done.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2006, 12:11:21 PM

Tuesday night games:

CSC @ AMC (hopefully the losing streak stops here; for all our sakes)
EC @ UNE
NEC hosts Bard
WIT @ NC
RWU @ CC
ENC hosts Newbury

I thought ENC could pick up another win here, but I'm not so sure anymore.  Newbury hung with NEC recently and beat Mass College over the weekend.  Neither is too impressive, but both those teams are better than ENC.

Wentworth and Nichols is very intriguing.  I have to imagine two teams who score lots, but don't play defense will be very fun to watch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 17, 2006, 01:25:48 PM
dwebbs

I have to agree with Hoops Fan on this issue.  Talent is not what is done on the court.  It is the raw ability.  Talent can be hampered by bad chemistry, which is the current problem for CSC.  Also a 7 game road streak would be hard for any pro team let alone d3 .  Talent wise CSC is ahead of all teams (basically due to St. Clair).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 09:39:17 AM

Results:

CSC 116 over AMC 70.  Wow; that's a lot of offense, although allowing 70 to that team is just as scary.  Someone's been reading our posts: St Clair got 23 shots and scored 33, although his FT shooting was pretty bad (3-8).  Thorpe had 16 and 10 (including 4-6 from three?  Since when is he a shooter).  Truncelitto had 13 points.  Foti only played his starters about 20 minutes each (which make St Clair's game all the more impressive).  Sixteen guys saw floor time, fourteen of them scored.  Thorpe, Truncelitto, Bray, Fouriner and Carter all had 4+ assists.  CSC had only seven turnovers.  This wasn't just a good team beating up on Anna Maria, this seems like a statement.  Even if there was no opposition, this is still better than they have played thus far this season.  McDonald had 26 for AMC on 70% shooting.  Sadlowski had 9 assists and Constantino had 10 points.  That is just rediculous.  NEC is up next.  They will present more of a challenge, but we'll see what CSC can do.

Endicott over UNE 60-42.  Both teams shot poorly from three and committed a lot of unforced turnovers.  UNE couldn't hit free throws or from the floor and Endicott pulled off a very unusual win.  Burton for EC and McManus for UNE were the only players in double figures with 13 each.  Marinkovic had 11 rebounds.  Nine guys on the Endicott team took three or more shots, but no one took more than 8.  George ended with 6 pts on 2-4 shooting and a FT.  Odd, but a win nonetheless.

NEC over Bard 76-54.  That had to have been a barnburner!!  Of course there are no stats anywhere.

Nichols over WIT 71-66.  This was a close one, with the home team winning.  I would assume these squads are about even, but it certainly wasn't the scoring fest I expected.  Justin Lewis scored 33 for Nichols; he is really coming into his own this season, taking over the reins from Butler, who went for 12 and 12.  Gaine had 13 for WIT, Prezzie-Blue had 12 and 6 with 7 assists and Todd Doyle had 10.  Both team shot pretty well from the floor and FT shooting was bad on both sides.  Nichols actually got fewer possessions, but made the most of their opportunities.

Roger Williams beat Curry in Milton 70-65.  Bartelle didn't play in the game.  I'm waiting on word whether he has left the team with all of the issues they dealt with recently.  Lamb had 19 with 6 assists, Mohrin had 17 and Marcus Jones had 13.  Prescod fouled out after a very unproductive night.  Barret led RWU with 16 points (10-10 from the FT line), Barranger had 11 (7-8 on FTs) and Wooley had 12.  (4-5 from three).  There were a ton of Free Throws in the game (19-23 for RWU, 25-30 for Curry).  RWU controlled the boards and shot lights out (50% from the floor, 70% from three) to win the game.  Curry needs some help getting their team in order, but I think they can bounce back from this.  Without Bartelle and losing Prescod, they did well to stay so close; although Lamb doesn't need to lead the team in assists.  Curry seems to have shut down Brandon Parrish and forced the young guys to beat them, which they stepped up and did.

ENC beat Newbury for their second win on the year 76-60, with an impressive second half run.  Down four at the half, ENC outscored Newbury 42-22 in the second half to win the game.  Apparently ENC began the second half with a 23-0 run.  How does that even happen?  ENC still committed 21 turnovers, but pulled down a ton of rebounds en route to victory.  Luc Jasmin finally showed the ability I had heard about before last season with 28 and 9.  Marcellus had 14 and 9, Corey had 12 (all on threes), Tristan Shields had 10 and 9 and Noel went for 10 pts and 6 assists.  ENC has been focusing on rebounding and it paid off here.  Now they just need to control the ball, if they hope to beat anyone besides AMC in conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 09:43:27 AM
    
After that horrible start, RWU seems to have rebounded well, although they do have all of their big tests in conference still to come.  There is a good chance that every team in the North will be better than the 4th place team from the South.

               
   North   W   L   
   
   EC     4     0       
   GC     4    1       
   WIT    4    1       
   NEC    2   1       
   CSC    3   2       
   UNE    0   5   
   
   South   W   L
       
   RWU   5   0       
   CC     3     1       
   SRU    2    4       
   NC     2     4       
   ENC    1    4       
   AMC    0    7       
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 18, 2006, 11:38:37 AM
nice to see CSC and st clair get that win, given it wasnt much of a team but winning is winning.  as far thorpe bein a shooter thats what he came in as is a 6'5 guy that can put the lights out just hasnt been on track as of late really.  if colby-saywers gonna make a push hits gotta start right now
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 12:40:24 PM

Gordon is at Mt Ida tonight; that win is only going to lower their QOWI; I think they need all the help they can get, seeing as how the CCC is hurting for .500 clubs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 18, 2006, 12:47:47 PM
What does QOWI stand for and how is it determined?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 01:54:00 PM
QOWI is "Quality of Wins Index" it used to be SOSI "Strength of Schedule Index" but they changed the name this year even though they changed none of the criteria or formula for determining it.  Basically it functions as the RPI does for Division 1 schools.

The QOWI index assigns points to each "in-region" game each team plays in this way:

Road win versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .667 or above is 15 points
Home win versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .667 or above is 14 points

Road win versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .500 to .666 is 13 points
Home win versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .500 to .666 is 12 points

Road win versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .333 to .499 is 11 points
Home win versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .333 to .499 is 10 points

Road win versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of less than .333 is 9 points
Home win versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of less than .333 is 8 points

Road loss versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .667 or above is 7 points
Home loss versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .667 or above is 6 points

Road loss versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .500 to .666 is 5 points
Home loss versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .500 to .666 is 4 points

Road loss versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .333 to .499 is 3 points
Home loss versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of .333 to .499 is 2 points

Road loss versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of less than .333 is 1 point
Home loss versus a team with an "in-region" win percentage of less than .333 is 0 points

You take the total number of points and divide it by the total number of "in-region" games and blamo: you get your QOWI number.

An "in-region" game is defined as any game with a team in your region, your conference or within 200 miles of your school as determined by Microsoft Streets & Trips 2004.  Third and fourth year provisionals count as "in-region" games, first and second year provisionals do not.

Neutral site games count as "away" for both teams.

Conference tournaments do count in the final QOWI numbers.


I hope I didn't miss anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on January 18, 2006, 03:54:50 PM
after hearing tubby smith's comments last night on sportscenter, i got to thinkning the wildcats situation is much like that of CSC. going into last night it appears that the players aren't buying into Foti's system this year for some reason. i don't know if that is because they lost some games in a row then panicked, trying to do to much, or what. but we have all said CSC has the talent to win the championship, and it seems to me it is just a matter of if they will buy back into the system. like i said before i dont see them turning it around, but certainly they will be dangerous come tourney time. if they can make the run complete, the players need to look themseleves in the mirror and realize that Foti orchestrated this run of success they have had, not them.

looks like all the talk about WIT contending in the North was, as we all suspected, premature and bloated by wins over decrepid teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 04:02:14 PM

Roy said something both intelligible and well thought out; it must be a new year's resolution.  If only we could get him to fix his grammar.

I totally agree with you on CSC by the way and good analogy to Kentucky.  I hope no one said Wentworth was going to contend in the North.  I did mention I thought they would contend for the #4 spot up North, which is still a possibility.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on January 18, 2006, 04:21:11 PM
$50 that ENC Makes the playoffs.

Who's in?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 04:43:38 PM
Unless you found a loophole that allows you to suit up for another semester, I don't think you can win money on that bet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 18, 2006, 04:57:50 PM
I think GOENC has a valid point.  If you look at the standings.  3 and 4 have only two wins while ENC has one.  There is a chance that they make it but they will have to win a couple tough matches.  Look at there schedule remaning.  There are maybe 4 to 5 games that are winable but the rest I would say are loses.  It will come down to what Nichols and Salve does down the streatch.  Either way they don't have a chance to go to far.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 18, 2006, 09:16:56 PM
Gordon beats Mt. Ida in an impressive road win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 18, 2006, 09:54:15 PM
I wouldn't really call beating a 3-12 team impressive, more like a "expected road win". 

Side note:  Jerry Logan looks to be out for some time with a knee injury.  Look for Captain John Beebe to continue to step up and hopefully freshman Tim Deluca can continue to improve.  Both will be seeing a significant increase in playing time for the next couple games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 18, 2006, 10:16:05 PM
sorry, i didn't realize beating a creampuff team isn't impressive unless colby saywer does it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 18, 2006, 11:53:28 PM
This message is for DWEBBS,

D, let me say that I enjoy your enthusiasm and support for the mighty Fighting Scots.  That being said, you need to pick up your game.  There are so many GC fans on the thread it can be tiresome to read post that add no value.  Firstly, try spell checking your post, its really not that difficult.  You could make the most intelligent statement is history but trying make sense of it can sometimes be a battle. 

Secondly, I know you have friends on the team, the truth is most of us have some vested interest on the Teams we support such as friends, children, relatives, etc.   Sometimes those players are going to have off nights and people might rip them a little bit.  With that in mind defend them within reason, but let's not exaggerate and hype up players who might not deserve the hype, it often times leads to more scrutiny when they don't perform at their highest level (i.e. A-Rod, Michael Vick). 

Thirdly, do a little research before you comment on games or teams, Mt Ida for example is not, and will not be a good road win even for the likes of ENC.  GC should beat them every time whether they play at Mt. Ida or on the moon.  An example of a big road win would be CSC, EC, Curry and some other out of conference games.  Also, according to you, players always have huge nights, when a player averages 16pt 8reb and meets or slightly exceeds those numbers, it probably does not constitute you calling it a huge night.

DWEBBS you do attend a lot of games and you are there to see things in person which is nice, try to put a little more thought and effort into your posts and you get a little more respect.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 19, 2006, 01:13:53 AM
an impressive win is one that would raise your QOWI not lower it..........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2006, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: broke_ya_ankles on January 19, 2006, 01:13:53 AM
an impressive win is one that would raise your QOWI not lower it..........

Broke_ya is starting to sound like one of the national guys now.  Nice call.

Quote from: akirk on January 18, 2006, 04:57:50 PM
If you look at the standings.  3 and 4 have only two wins while ENC has one.  There is a chance that they make it but they will have to win a couple tough matches.

The only problem is that ENC's winable games are against Salve and Nichols.  They would have to beat one of those teams twice and the other one once in order to secure the tiebreaker, because I can't imagine ENC winning more than five conference games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2006, 09:09:36 AM

I checked out the Gordon game.  GC 72 Mt Ida 45.  Certainly it was a big win in terms of margin of victory, but you can't have it both ways.  If you want the regional respect that comes with being a contender in the CCC, you can't be excited about these wins, unless, like CSC, you're coming off a monumental losing streak.  Maybe if Schauer had emptied the bench just after halftime and spread the scoring over 16 guys, it would have been something to talk about.  As it is, the eight man rotation still played very well.  Marstaller had 18, Herr had 14 and 9 and Vogelzang had 13.  GC did had 19 turnovers and Mt Ida couldn't hit a three or a free throw to save their lives.  It was a good win, but definately one we would expect if Gordon is going to live up to the strong first half of the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2006, 09:11:21 AM

Tonight's Line-up:

NEC @ CSC
CC @ ENC
SRU @ RWU
AMC @ UNE
EC @ WIT

A trio of games for local bragging rights... should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on January 19, 2006, 02:48:52 PM
Hey guys here is an idea.  I think you all should give your opinion on who is better, Gordon or CSC.  Then you should spend the next 24 pages talking about it.  That would make this site a lot more enjoyable.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 19, 2006, 04:16:30 PM
heres a question a little off topic but what the hey....what is the "Karma" under each username?  how does it change?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 19, 2006, 09:29:02 PM
csc got spanked bad..................80 to 50
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 19, 2006, 09:36:05 PM
ooooppppppppssssssssss...me bad..ccc web site had scores backwards
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2006, 09:04:39 AM

The karma thing is like a rating system.  People with 200+ posts can give positive or negative karma points.  I'm not sure the purpose exactly, other than to support good posts I guess.  It's just another thing for people to get mad about.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2006, 09:33:31 AM

CSC over NEC 80-50.  It looks like the boys are back and all it took was an embarassing loss at Gordon to do it.  (Embarassing not that they lost to Gordon, but strickly the way they played; GC is still a great team... blah, blah, blah.)  CSC hasn't been playing defense until now, but they held NEC without a FG for the last 7 minutes of the game.  They held Jaziri scoreless; Onyerchi had 10 and Montrod had 11 for NEC.  St Clair had 27 on 12-14 shooting.  Bray shot 6-7 from the floor for 13 pts.  Pat Kenny continued his slump going 0-5.  CSC shot poorly from three, but was incredibly effective from the floor.  Their defense really did pick up, holding NEC to less than 30% shooting.  I would say they're back and they've got a few games to tune up before the rematch with GC.

EC over WIT 62-47.  EC took a fifteen point lead into the half and held even the rest of the game. EC is making a living of fast starts this year.  Gaine had 14 for WIT, Doyle had 11 with 5 assists; PB&J also had 11 pts.  Ellis had 14 with 4 assists to lead EC, George had 13 and 5 with 5 steals and 7 assists and Marinkovic had 10 pts.  EC got the second five some extended minutes in the second half.  They also shot 7-9 from three to make up for not getting to the foul line very much.  Seems like another typical game; I doubt there are too many teams in the CCC who can give them a game right now.  In fact, they way they are playing, I bet they wish they could replay some of those early losses to top teams in the region.

RWU over SRU 72-54, solidifying their lead in the South.  Neither team has a box score up.

UNE over AMC 68-51.  These are probably both 6th place teams; which shows the disparity between the two divisions.  McDonald had 19 for AMC and DiTullio had 10.  John Marriott led UNE with 17.  Stickney went for 13 and 14, McManus also had 13.  Oliver had 12 pts and 8 assists.  Both teams shot less than 30% from three, but UNE hit twice as often as AMC.  This was just an ugly game.  Lots of missed shots.  AMC protected the ball well, but they couldn't make anything go in.  On the other hand, this bodes well for Chewning's bet because if UNE plays this bad against ENC, they have a chance to win one they weren't counting on.

ENC's shooter Christian Corey missed a three at the buzzer to tie the game (apparently it bounced twice before falling off the rim).  Curry wins a squeaker 68-65.  Jasmin continued his big time play with 18 pts.  Jean-Noel had 16 with 7 assists and Marcellus had 12 rebounds and 5 assists.  Raheim Lamb went off for 36 pts, but the ENC big men kept him off the boards (only 3 rebounds).  Largesse had 14 pts and Mohrin had 10 pts with 5 rebounds and 5 assists.  Marcus Jones had 7 assists.  Both teams shot very well and got to the line effectively.  ENC still has some trouble with ball control, but they seem to be doing well on the boards and getting more production out of the post.  Chewning may have some hope on that bet after all.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2006, 09:42:19 AM

Some more info coming out of the CC-ENC game.  Luc Jasmin for ENC fouled out, but he was playing well enough, that ENC probably would have pulled it out had he not fouled out.  Bartelle is just gone.  I'm not sure if he's still in school, but he wasn't with the team last night and they don't expect him back.  Maybe if you can get some inside info collegeexpert72 we can know more.  I guess the mood on the team now is that they have very little chance of winning the title and the guys aren't trying too hard.  Lamb seems content to score at will, but play no defense.  Reports I heard said he could have scored another 15 points or more if he had been playing hard at all.  I hope they get back into a groove before the 7th.  The CSC-CC match-up in Milton is one I've been looking forward to all season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 20, 2006, 11:06:15 AM
Well for the news you wanted about Bartelle.  He is still in school, and is still with the team.  He was with the team last night at the ENC game on the bench but he is sitting out due to academics, and I don't know for how long or if he is even coming back this year that's all I know for now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on January 20, 2006, 11:53:04 AM
You gotta Give ENC a little credit for sticking with CC. It looks like they are startingto get a little better.

But i'm not counting the $50.00.

Hoops Fan.....have you been to a few games this year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2006, 12:49:42 PM

OK, I guess my "crack source" was on crack, rather than good.  Anyway, appartenly he looks much different in street clothes than uniform.  There goes someone's credibility with me.

Chewning, I, like you, moved a little too far away to take in too many games this season, however, I was planning on catching a couple on a recent trip, but lost an opportunity due to weather.

I'm looking forward to getting back in a heavy rotation of 30-40 games per year soon, but for now I have to rely primarily on some (dwindling) contacts.  People move on way too fast in d3.  Oh well, I guess that's the price you have to pay.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2006, 12:50:23 PM

I should have added, I'm working on a potential trip to the final four this year, although I suspect there won't be any CCC schools there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2006, 04:30:54 PM

Weekend line-up:

Saturday

AMC @ EC
CSC @ SRU
UNE @ CC
RWU @ GC
WIT @ NEC
Title: Curry College
Post by: boston ball 56 on January 20, 2006, 05:47:05 PM
Raheim Lamb scores 36pts. and someone says he was not playing hard?Wow no one is that good. He is a very good player and an even better person.Last night he beat everyone down the floor for a lot of easy baskets people hanging on him etc. Curry needed everyone of his points to beat a very good ENC team. I know thier record says one thing,however if you were there last evening you would not of thought that they were a sub par team. Those young men really went after it. As well as the news about Bartelle who cares why he is not playing. whatever his fate is by his own hands. I will keep in touch with you guys from time to time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 21, 2006, 04:40:17 PM
Gordon beats Roger Williams 58-40. Is this a good win for them, or should I wait to see how much they could beat AMC by before I say that?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: wishingwell70 on January 21, 2006, 07:19:11 PM
I've been scare this year but for those of you who remember me from last year this statement I'm going to make may come as a bit of a surprise...and it also pains me to say it...but here it is:

Gordon will win the CCC tourney this year and they will beat EC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cant dog on January 21, 2006, 09:20:07 PM
Gordon is a strong team.  Handling RWU as they did without starter/captain Logan and without #6 man Mark Beebe shows what 'stuff' they are made out of.
I am waiting for freshman DeLuca to light it up like he did in HS with 30 - 40 points in many games.  Not that he would put up those numbers but at some point he will have a point per minute played.
The three losses Gordon has had have all been away and they led in two of those games almost the whole time.  I did not get to the Endicott game but it seems as though it was their worst one of the year.
I saw the MIT game and the crowd seemed to realize that the home team would put one up in the loss column.
Go GORDON, light it up and do what needs to be done.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on January 21, 2006, 10:28:32 PM
dwebbs...It's ok...relax.  Gordon is doing great and has a good chance to win the conference.  Why do you think people where so excited that CSC beat AMC? They lost six games in a row.  They would have been happy beating the girls team.  Remember they are use to winning.  In the last eleven years they have played in seven championships winning four of them.  Gordon could be a role model and show them how to lose with humilty, b/c correct me if I am wrong, but Gordon has been to zero championships in the last eleven years.

Gordon has always had loyal fan support even through some of the rougher years.  It would be nice for them to nab a title.  Hey dwebbs, maybe the coach will let you cut down part of the net. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 22, 2006, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: boston ball 56 on January 20, 2006, 05:47:05 PM
Curry needed everyone of his points to beat a very good ENC team.

hahahahahaha....  r u serious?!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on January 22, 2006, 01:25:34 PM
At this point in the year Endicott is still the favorite to win the CCC. Until Gordon proves that they can beat EC they still have to be considered underdogs for taking the CCC title.  While Gordon seems to be playing very well right now, I think the match on 31 will be the real test to see how good they actually are at this point in the year. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on January 22, 2006, 03:35:57 PM
24/7/365

Yes he is serious.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2006, 08:54:47 AM

Relax coach, all I heard from everyone is that Lamb has more talent than anyone has seen in the CCC, but he just wasn't playing at his best against ENC.  I think its a testament to the guy that he can score 36 and still have more to give.  I'm not down on him, I'm just letting people know what everyone I talked to had to say about him.

I'll post my weekend recap in a little while.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2006, 10:11:41 AM
AMC 63 EC 82  McDonald had 15 and Sadlowski 14 with 7 assists for AMC, which is scoring more of late.  EC played thier bench a lof of minutes in this one, probably accounting for AMC's high scoring.  Marinkovic had 15, George had 14, Sullivan went for 12 and 9 off the bench, Ellis had 12 with seven assists and Corbett had 11 points.  AMC continued to do a good job handling the ball with only 10 turnovers.  EC shot 50% and held AMC to 37%.  Pretty typical ball game.  EC got good bench minutes in this one.

CSC 58 SRU 54 in Rhode Island.  I'm CSC would have liked a better showing here, but they came out with the w, and I guess they'll take it.  St. Clair had 22 as the only Charger in double figures.  Coute had 14 for SRU, Rego had 13 and Grendal had 11.  CSC held Salve's vaunted three point shooting to under 30% and their FG% under 40%, but they got outrebounded and had 17 turnovers.  I guess they haven't quite gotten it all together just yet.  If not for St. Clair going 10-10 from the floor, they would have been sunk.  He did miss a bunch of FT, maybe time for a phone call to your boy there john.  Good show though, St Clair is stepping up when they need him, now they just need to get the rest of the guys back on track.  Props to SRU as well, they seem to have prepared and executed well for their shot at CSC.

UNE 49 CC 48 in Milton.  Tough home loss for Curry.  McManus had 17, Stickney went 11 and 11.  Lamb had 18 and Mohrin had 15 for Curry, still no sign of Bartelle.  Curry shot horrible and was just demolished on the boards.  It seems like this CC team should be able to rebound, but its just not happening.  Curry was down nine at the half and mounted an admirable second half comeback, but couldn't seal the deal.  Two close games in a row spells trouble for CC unless they can get Bartelle back and on board with the system quickly.  Any chance his absence is due to grades?

RWU 40 GC 58.  Big win for GC and by a solid margin.  They are really staking their claim.  The EC rematch should be one for the ages.  No one got to double figures for RWU.  Parrish had the best game with 8 points and 5 rebounds.  Herr had 21 and Kauffman had 14 for Gordon.  Both teams shot pretty well, but GC hit the boards and doubled up RWU in rebounds.  Gordon also shot 50% from the floor which spelled the difference.  Good, solid win for the Scots.

WIT 70 NEC 77.  Quinn led the way for NEC with 26; Onyechi had 19 and 12 and Jaziri also put in 19 points of his own.  NEC rebounded well, shot 50% from the floor and went 23-25 on FTs.  WIT had 19 from Hall and 17 from Prezzie-Blue.  They couldn't hit the three and it cost them.  Nice, tight game.  The home teams each won in this matchup; these appear to be the contenders for the #4 spot up North.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 09:12:42 AM

Tuesday's Games:

NC @ AMC
WIT @ CSC
RWU @ ENC
UNE @ EC
GC @ NEC
CC @ Newbury
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 24, 2006, 01:32:35 PM
Does anyone have any thoughts on tonight's games?  I am looking forward to see how WIT plays against CSC.  Does anyone think WIT is going to do anything this year?  They started off nice against some suspect teams but have tailed off since.  This game might give us some insight.  Other than that I think the rest of the schedule is cut and dry.  All the favorites will win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 01:34:45 PM

I think WIT is much improved and they have a lot of young talent, but they are still no better than 4th up North, but they might have a little bit more luck with the South teams than in seasons past.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 24, 2006, 02:00:59 PM
WIT has been very quite this year.  PB & J seems to be enjoying his sophomore slump, and no one else, apparently, is stepping up to counter act that.  Weren't they suppose to have some hot new recruit who would help them battle this year?  I'm not sure, I think I heard that this pre-season however.  I'm sure they can claw their way into the 4th seed this year.  But what does that really mean?  It just prolongs the inevitable and infringes on your spring break schedule.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 24, 2006, 02:11:20 PM
Todd Doyle I think his name is and hes second on the team in scoring and leads the team in assists as a freshmen...could be good
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 02:14:08 PM

He was the "big" CCC recruit this year, being all-state in Connecticut.  But then again, I didn't give him much creedence as Geoff Baranger was the "big" recruit last year and he did squat (albeit is much improved this season).

Doyle seems to be getting it done and more than that, he seems to have instilled enough confidence in the scoring options that Prezzie-Blue is actually passing the ball this year, something he rarely, if ever, did last season.  I think that willingness to play team oriented offense is what accounts for a lot of the improvements.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 24, 2006, 03:42:15 PM
I am predicting that NEC will end up with the 4th seed with a 7-9 CCC record.  WIT will just miss out on the playoffs with a 6-10 CCC record.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on January 24, 2006, 09:25:32 PM
curry just pulled out a squeaker at Newbury college and won by like 6 i think it was.

CC is way over-rated.  Lamb not impressive.. doesn't know how to get open when being guarded by a good defender.  Newbury held him to no points first half i think

was a good defensive battle though with a lot of 3's being chucked by both sides.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 24, 2006, 11:29:40 PM
Gordon wins big at NEC 76-46.  The two teams were tied at the half with 24 each.  GC came out in the second half with a 12-0 run and coasted home from there.  The Scots were led by Vogelzang 13 and 5, Kaufman had 12 and Herr and Marstaller both scored 11.  There were some good bench minuets in this one for GC.  NEC was led by Ryan Jaziri their only player in double figures.  Next up for the Scots is Newbury at home on Thursday night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 25, 2006, 08:16:10 AM
D3hoops got the score wrong for the WIT-CSC game.  CSC won not WIT. 

Nice win for GC but they have to win these type of games big.  It's just great to see that GC is winning the games they are suppose to unlike in years pass.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 09:10:22 AM

NC 94 AMC 68.  Big win for Nichols.  No boxscore that I can find.  They are getting into good form for the run.

WIT 60 CSC 81.  D3hoops did indeed get it backwards, but its not their fault because generally schools input their own scores.  I was worried when I first saw that score; I couldn't figure any way CSC could lose to WIT by that much.  St clair went for 11 and 10, only getting 7 shots from the floor.  Truncellito had 16, Butterworth 14 and 10 for Thorpe.  Brian Gaine had 15 for WIT.  WIT shot horribly and missed free throws.  It looks like CSC is getting their defense in gear.

RWU 79 ENC 66.  This one was never close.  Camobrecco had 27 points, 5 assists and 6 steals.  Barret had 10 and 6 assists and Parrish put in 10 as well.  Luc Jasmin continued his run of good play with 26 for ENC.  Marcellus had 10 points and Jean-Noel had 6 assists.  ENC had 23 turnovers, 16 of them on RWU steals.  Both teams shot pretty well, although ENC struggled from the arc.  I think ENC needs to work on ballhandling before they will beat anyone but AMC.

UNE 46 EC 63.  McManus had 12 and Stickney had 10.  UNE shot awful, presumably because of EC's perimeter defense.  EC continues to just dominate teams.  Sullivan got 11 points and Ellis had 10.  EC got the end of their bench some good PT again.  They are just looking so strong right now.  It will be nice to see them face a decent team soon.

GC 76 NEC 46.  Gordon continues their great play as well.  I think they are proving that win over CSC was no lucky night.  NEC is a good squad with lots of weapons and all of them were silenced.  Jaziri had 13.  GC was led by Vogelzang's 13, 12 from Kaufman and 11 each from Herr and Marstaller.  They were even able to hit the boards and outrebound NEC as well as forcing 20 turnovers.  It looks like we have three really good teams rounding into form.

CC 64 Newbury 56.  I can't buy that Lamb isn't that good.  He's incredible, but it really seems like he's mailing it in at this point.  With the chemistry explosion they have gone through since the break, I don't think they have a chance to compete and I doubt Lamb does either.  I wouldn't be all that excited about giving my best effort if I were in his spot.  I'd be pretty upset that I even came back for this last semester.    He did have 16 last night, Mohrin had 19 and Largesse had 13.  Sure they should have smacked Newbury around, but CC has been flat awful the last wekk or so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on January 25, 2006, 11:18:59 AM
Lamb is a talented palyer, but not  a leader. It seems that in the last two years when Lamb is there they somehow get worse, or just dont improve at all.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 11:21:10 AM

The problem is the last two years in that Bartelle seems to be offended by the fact that he isn't the go-to guy on every play when Lamb is around.  If Wynn could somehow get those guys to play together, they would be incredible.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 25, 2006, 11:39:33 AM
Lamb and Bartelle work great together and your wrong he is a leader it's just that he really doesn't have great followers.  This season isn't over and I personally think that they will turn it around.  Bartelle needs to remember that Lamb is the number one option on the team and makes it easier for him to get his shots, but your right when they work together then they would be unstoppable, but until bartelle gets back which I hear might be next week against Salve then we will see how things look for Wynn and the Colonels.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 12:01:15 PM

So do we have a final word as to why Bartelle is out?  Was it grades? Injury?  Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 25, 2006, 01:20:43 PM
GC has been winning lately with what appears to be an EC like style.  Instead of the main guys, Herr and Marstaller, being the focal point of the offense.  Coach Schauer has begun evenly distributing the ball to all the on court players, which then forces the opposing team to be more aware of a Beebe, De Luca, Vogelzang and Marino.  Rebounding has become a matter of emphasis (as well all knew it would eventually become), and transition basketball has moved to the forefront.

While GC has been playing well, they have to continue to keep their head on a swivel.  Because as my boy Ron Burgandy would say, "You never know when you'll find yourself in a vicious cock-fight."  With games against EC, CSC, a sporadic Newbury and a possible trap game against Nichols, they have no room to breathe for the rest of the year.  But that being said, Schauer is very good at keeping his players level headed and focused on their games at hand.  He'll have them ready for Newbury tomorrow and WIT on Saturday.  Only after those two games have ended, will he begin verbally focusing them on "The Clash on the North Shore."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 01:40:06 PM

It's true, we have three very strong contenders in the North.  For the first time in a while we just don't know who will come out on top.  It will also make the tournament very exciting.  Nothing but good things this year for CCC hoops.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on January 25, 2006, 01:50:42 PM
Well hoops fan the answer to your question is Bartelle was out due to grades, and they expect him back soon I think.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 02:07:02 PM

So this is an issue of incompletes from first semester?  I'm not sure why he would be out for just a few weeks in January.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 25, 2006, 03:31:48 PM
I have a question about ineligibility due to grades.  My understanding is that if you do not meet the minimum GPA requirements or have incompletes you are done until grades come out again, so basically next year.  I know Gordon is very focused on academics but if you have incompletes, making them up shows up at the end of the semester that you complete your work, is this not the case for all schools?  I don't really care but it seems suspect that if it is grades the he would only miss a few weeks.   Unless Curry has a J term in which he could bring his GPA up.  Anyone know more about this?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 25, 2006, 04:33:52 PM
I know for GC the rule is, if u fall under the required GPA set by GC's governing body, you are unable to be cleared for sports until the realse of the next official grades, i.e. the end of the following semester.  Thus, your season would officially end for that basketball year.  But that is not to say that CC has remotely the same policy as GC.  But hopefully this will shed an ounce of light into how the grade arena works, for GC atleast.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 04:51:27 PM

I'm not sure if Curry has a January term or if they can do an independent study thing.  The wierd part is he played in at least one game alongside Lamb, which means that second semester had already officially started.  It all sounds a bit fishy to me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Big Hoss on January 25, 2006, 06:43:40 PM
With all of the emphasis being placed on Curry and Gordon one might be lead to believe that they are winning their respective divisions, which they are not.  Although RW lost Gumb ealier this season, they've been playing better basketball and lead the south.  In the north Endicott seems to be mopping up the competition.  I realize that they still have some tough road games in the league, Gordon and Colby Sawyer, but they have to be the favorites at this point.  I was at the game on Tuesday night and was impressed with their talent level and depth, they play 10 deep.  I realize UNE is not the cream of the crop, but they did beat Curry last week so they are a solid club.  I can't wait for next tuesday's rematch at Gordon, could be the best matchup of the year.  Oh ya, Gordon has some work to do if they want to avoid another embarassment like the game at EC earlier this year
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 25, 2006, 07:14:08 PM
Quote from: Big Hoss on January 25, 2006, 06:43:40 PM
Gordon has some work to do if they want to avoid another embarassment like the game at EC earlier this year

Hate it!  I hate it when someone makes a broad generalization and has absolutley NOTHING to back it up with.  I am excited for the game this Tuesday too.  But come on.  How can you say such a bold statement and leave it out there with no basis for it?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: buddy on January 25, 2006, 07:58:19 PM
Enough talk about Bartelle.  Sure, he's not playing now & if it's because of grades, then he's let himself down & his team.  Let's focus on what the team is really about-it's about people that step up that try to put together wins for the team.  Sure, it's known all around the league that Lamb is the # 1 player for Curry. Opposing teams go into games knowing they have to  double team him & he still is getting it done.  With Tim Jones out too, it doesn't make things easier for the team. Now you have a good point guard in Marcus Jones, who brings it up & unselfishly distributes the ball. You have a freshman shooting guard in Deryk Largesse, who can shoot the 3 with the best of them & can drive. Let's not forget   Mike Mohrin, a G/F who can play any position and be effective. Then you have one of the most tenacious small forwards in Steve Prescod. This guy can jump out of the gym & run balls down & play great D. The point is, this is what your lineup is & these guys give it their best offensively & defensively each time they play.  So, let's see how it plays out down the stretch. I'm sure Wynn knows what he wants to achieve & how he wants to achieve it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Big Hoss on January 25, 2006, 11:23:08 PM
Relax buddy, its a posting forum.  Based on your response I'm assuming your an avid Gordon fan, so you saw the first matchup.  In that game, Gordon had very little success stopping EC in the paint, Marinkovich was strong as usual and clutch down the stretch.  For the past few years this is how EC has beaten them, and Gordon has shown no sign of looking to change their approach defensively, such as no longer fronting the post without ANY weak side help.  Secondarily, besides Marstaller, the majority of their points come from perimiter play.  EC did a pretty good job keeping the guards out of the lane and defending the shooters, who didn't shoot well at all.  SO, if they wan't to beat EC for the first time in a few years, they "have some work to do", as I stated previously
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 26, 2006, 08:17:26 AM
Once again I will make this statement...Marinkovich is not the key to EC success.  It is the people around him.  He can put up all the points he wants as long as the rest of the team is limited, they will not win.  Also the more you make him play defense the less effective he is on the other side.  GC needs to take it to him.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 26, 2006, 08:26:14 AM
One more thing:  I don't understand how you can say that EC is mopping up the North.  If you look at the standings EC, GC & CSC still all have legitimate chances to grab the CCC North regular season Championship.  Basically none of them needs help from anyone else (except for CSC).   If they take care of their own business then they will win.  CSC is the only one that would need EC to lose an additional game.

EC 7-0
GC 6-1
CSC 6-2

EC is the favorite but you can not just give them the conference this early.  Lets see where they stand in two weeks.  As resent history has showed, this will be a great ending to a great season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 26, 2006, 08:31:03 AM
I have no qualms with a statement that has something to back it up with.  I just can't stand the broad generalizations newbies tend to throw up there and assume that that will be sufficient.  With that being said, while GC did struggle with EC down low last game, their low post defense, and low post presence in general has improved dramatically.  That can be seen in their rebound margins and the better use of the paint by Herr, Marstaller and some of their guards like Kauffman and Vogelzang.  This in no way negates the fact that GC can still be very vulnerable down their, but they have shown, as of late, that they have the ability to not allow that to be the area that hurts them.

Echoing akirks sentiments, Darko is a good player, yes.  He is not the heart or pulse of this team however.  While he does possess a decent display of post moves, a lot of his buckets come from put backs or transition play.  With GC utilizing their bench more recently, they will have more bodies to throw at him both offensively and defensively.  Marino, who did a phenomenal job against The Saint, will be called upon to step up and make Darko a non-factor.  If that becomes the case, perimeter play, and Herr who will be guarding George, will need to step up and try to make EC settle for bad shots, or ill-advised individual play.  If GC can do these things, as well as a multitude of other aspects, they have a great chance of getting one back from EC and forcing a tie atop the CCC North.

Way too early for anyone to be mopping anything anywhere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 08:42:42 AM

OK, for onee, Hoss, it's pretty bad form to bash one team (which, sadly, is playing lights out right now) based on one game that happened over a month ago.  That just makes no sense.  I still agree that Endicott is the cream of the crop right now and that GC will not truly have arrived until they get one over this year's EC team.  And Kirk, Marinkovic is not the key to EC, but he has been the key to the last three EC victories over Gordon, so he deserves some mention.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 09:42:48 AM

Tonight's match-ups:

RWU hosts Coast Guard
NC hosts Clark
SRU hosts ENC
NEC hosts EC
GC hosts Newbury
WIT hosts UNE

Both of the NEWMAC games will give us an idea of where RWU and NC are at in terms of play level right now.  ENC actually takes over 4th place in the South with a win tonight.  Endicott gets a slightly tougher challenge tonight.  WIT and UNE both need a win tonight to help their playoff chances.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on January 26, 2006, 10:27:37 AM
 if i had to make a bet right now with todays standings, i would put my money on gc to win it all..but its still several more games till the end of reg season..good odds on ec and csc if they keep winning though.....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 10:35:55 AM

EC controls their own destiny.  They play at Gordon and at CSC, but if they win, they get the homecourt and a big advantage for the tournament.

There's still a lot to play.  Frankly, I can't tell who is playing better right now, but we'll know on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 26, 2006, 11:35:30 AM
Hoops Fan,

I think you would have to agree that GC controls their own destiny also.  If they win out (beat EC at home) they end with a 15-1 record tied with EC if they only loose to GC.  Then correct me if I am wrong but the tie breaker is out of conference record.  I think!  This would give GC the #1 seed with a better record.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 11:44:05 AM

Oh, we'll get to tiebreakers later in the year.  The CCC tiebreakers are rediculous.  If they both finish with just one loss to each other, then the first four tiebreakers are moot.  The fifth is non-conference record versus common opponents, which they don't have.  THen it goes to overall record vs teams with a .500 winning percentage or better, which we can't know until the end of the year, but since EC lost to a lot of them and GC didn't play too many, it might work out in GC's favor.

Still, I think you'll agree, The team with no losses in conference is in a better position than a team with one loss in conference.  Gordon controls their own destiny assuming a bunch of tiebreakers work out.  So I guess that's true in a sense, but CCC tiebreakers are never sure things.  I remember a few years ago I had to call the AD at Curry and pretend to be a fact checker from the Quincy Sun in order to get the final verdict on the #4 playoff spot.

On the other hand, all they can do is win.  Ironically, I think only one team will finish with one loss, so it probably won't be an issue there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 26, 2006, 11:48:05 AM
I'll make a bold statement and say no one's record will be the same at the end of the season as it is today.  Well at least not in the "L" column.  How many times have we seen GC, EC and CSC just get flat out beat during the seasons last regular season week.  Assuming that the 3 records a-top the North stay as tight as they are, the last week, I don't care what teams they play, all of a sudden become very interesting.  All the lower tear CCC teams can sneak up on someone any given day and even more so when they have nothing else to play for.  

Again, I think GC still has to prove they can beat EC and beat CSC at their place.  The NC game worries me as does the CC game.  If GC can muster up wins in those four games, and win the games they're suppose to... man, they become the odds on favorite pretty quick.  But we'll just have to wait.  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 12:03:42 PM

It's true, CSC has a long tradition of losing their final CCC game to an awful team, but it doesn't really apply this year.  Endicott has a pretty long tradition of dropping the last game of the year, but its always non-conference and presumably meaningless.  In terms of the GC and EC overall records, even the non-confernece matters this year, but nonetheless, it is very probable for one of these teams to run the table.  EC won their final 14 conference games last year, they won their final 11 the year before that and 11 of their last 12 (dropped one to CSC) in the year before that.

I expect if EC beats Gordon, that they'll run it.  If GC wins, I think there is still a hurdle in CSC to get over.  Its my opinion; I could be wrong.  It's just the sense I have.  I'll take the two-time defending champs as the favorites until they are beat (even if most of their fans are unruly and inconsiderate).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 26, 2006, 12:07:43 PM
The game that I am most concerned with is the last game of the year for GC against CC.  Yeah the EC and CSC games are very big games but they don't scare me like the CC game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 12:09:22 PM
I think the Colby-Sawyer fans may be saying the same thing.  It's not easy to play in that gym or to get back to your car after you've rooted for the opposition.

Shoot, it's not easy to just sit there, when rooting for the opposing team.  I've seen several fights break out during CC games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 12:23:27 PM

I did just notice that EC playss five of their next six games on the road: six games in two weeks is rough.  They play at NEC, at Springfield and at Gordon this week.  I guess it wouldn't be out of the question to drop one with a two week run like that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Big Hoss on January 26, 2006, 12:28:25 PM
You've all made some solid points, and the fact that EC does hold the fate of their season in their own hands is a big deal.  Does this alleviate pressure or add to it?  You could argue either way.  From CSC's perspective, they have to hope for a few late season slip ups from both EC and GC if they want to take the regular season title, but either way they will be around for the tournament.  For Gordon, tuesday is a BIG game.  They've played well and beat CSC, who ususally gives them problems.  But, if they lose to EC at home they will have 2 conference losses, EC will be very close to clinching the north title, and that gives them home court, where they have had success, especially in the tourney.  Regardless of this speculation, the game on tuesday will decide most of this.  Until then, they both have tough matchups to worry about.  EC vs. NEC, NEC might be a year away from shaking things up in the league, and has potential to beat anyone in the league on a given night. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 26, 2006, 12:42:02 PM
I just found the tiebreakers

III. TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE:
In the event of a tie at the end of regular season play, the following procedure will be used to determine seeds for the tournament:
1) Head to Head
2) Record in Division
3) Record top to bottom in division
4) Record top to bottom on other division
5) Record against non-conference common opponents
6) Overall record versus all teams with a .500 or better record
7) Coin toss ( in a three way tie using flip, "the odd toss is out leaving a head to head review of tie breaker
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 12:48:05 PM

Yeah, its incredibly fun for three way ties amongst teams with losing records.  Just rediculous.  A few years back the tiebreaker for the #4 spot in the South came down to some state school winning their final game to put them over .500 and thereby changing the results of tiebreaker #6.  If the team had not won, there would have been a coin flip for a playoff spot.  It stinks if your team's invovled, but if not, it's very fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 26, 2006, 04:17:48 PM
GC has a good test with arguabley the most schizophrenic team in New England tonight.  Newbury College is either really good, or atrociously disgusting.  They have basicly played a CCC schedule, and have been throttled by the likes of ENC, AMC and NEC.  Yet this is the same team that came one shot away from beating Salem State.  It'll be very interesting to see what Newbury team shows up for tonights festivities.  I think that this will be a good game for GC to grow from, and prepare for EC's athleticism. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 04:34:44 PM
24/7,

You need to stop thinking that way.  I know GC has been a mid-level team for a while now, but if you want to break through, those statements are not going to help.  Newbury has been mediocre at times and the worst team in NE at times, but never have they been good enough to scare a top ten team in the region (which, if you haven't noticed, is where GC sits right now).  Even on a good Newbury night and a bad GC night, Gordon should be able to hang.  I think you'll agree that GC wasn't the same team against Salem as they are now; I'm not sure they can be used as a comparison.  If GC can't win this game tonight, they have no business pretending to be a contender, even in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 26, 2006, 05:05:09 PM
I am not worried about GC.  I know that if both teams bring their A game GC would still win.  There is concern however, because I believe that GC is due for a lull.  I don't want that, I don't wish that.  If I had it my way they would play all the way through March and would be holding the DIII Mens Basketball National Championship trophy.  But being a realist, I understand that freak occurances happen.  Teams like Newbury, who are very capable of winning, can catch you off guard and roll to a 20 victory (see RWU).  I know GC is the better team.  In all aspects of the game they are better, from coaches to benches.  But being the better team doesn't equal automatic victories (see Duke).  I still hold my statements to be true of Newbury having enough athleticism to help prepare GC for Tuesdays game.  In my opinion I think GC will roll like a hunch back to a big "W," but the unknown is always plausable.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 26, 2006, 05:34:12 PM
Quotea top ten team in the region (which, if you haven't noticed, is where GC sits right now).

is this based on numbers or do u truly believe Gordon is a top 10 team in NE right now??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 26, 2006, 06:03:22 PM
I am not sure who said Gordon was a top ten team in New England, but being a big GC fan I don't even know if they are a top ten team, although the QQWI index which is used by the NCAA to rank teams did have Gordon in the top ten, as calculated by Hoops Fan as of January 17th.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 26, 2006, 11:50:07 PM
GC 57 Newbury 42.  This was an ugly game.  It was 29-28 Newbury at the half, but gordon came out playing better especially on the defensive end and limited Newbury to only 13 second half points.  Gordon was led by Kaufman with 15 points and 7 assists, and Mike Herr had poor shoting night but still finished with 13 points, 7 boards and 4 blocked shots.  Newbury was led by Magloire who had 13 and Stanton who had 11.

An interesting side note is that tonight marks the 5th straight game that GC has held their opponents under 46 points, also GC's SID pointed out that the Scots currently rank 5th in NCAA D3 scoring defense.  This is a good sign, they are winning with D, they are playing great ball right now, they will be fun to watch if their offense round into form and they keep up their defensive pace.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 27, 2006, 08:30:08 AM
I don't want to say I was right, buuuut.  Even though GC won, they were not a good team in the 1st half of last night's game.  Their shooting was hot early but became excessively cold towards the end of the 1st.  The 2nd half was a much different game.  Newbury had the one point advantage going into half but that was their last lead of the game as GC held them to an astonishing 13 points over 20 minutes of playing time.  Vogelzang did a phenomenal job against Newbury's main guy Mitchell, holding him to just 8 points, 12 below his season average.  Other than Vogelzang's defensive presence no one for GC really showed anything to marvel at last night.  Instead it was a full team effort that erased the half time deficit, and notched another win in GC's belt.  They can now focus their full attention on WIT, who's coming into Wenham Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2006, 08:42:15 AM

I was going to post the same thing, even though GC had a ad game, they still won by 16.  I  think they kept their rep alive.  And while I wouldn't necessarily put Gordon in the same league as the top two or three teams in the region, I think they compare favorably to some who will be in the 5-10 range.  And yes, if they get to February with only one more loss, they will be ranked in the top ten in NE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2006, 09:08:16 AM
Time for the rundown:

RWU 70 Coast Guard 73 in OT.  This is a great result for RWU.  They hung with a good NEWMAC team at this point in the season.  I'm sure they would have liked to win, but its a good result.  Barrett and Camobreco had 14 each with Camobreco dishing 6 assists as well.  Parrish and Wooley each had 11.  Coast Guard shot awful from three, but they took almost three times as many FTs as RWU and that was the difference.

NC 67 Clark 75.  Good showing for Nichols, again another middle of the pack NEWMAC team.  Lewis had 21 with 6 steals; he is seemingly taking over the leadership from Butler.  Vallee had 13 and Butler had 10 with 6 assists.  Both teams were virtually even in every category, but Clark hit a couple of extra threes.  Decent result for Nichols.

SRU 70 ENC 48.  And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the line of demarcation in the South.  After that result to we still think ENC has a chance of making the playoffs?  Where's the payout Chewning?  No one got to double figures for ENC; Jasmin was shut down by Grendal for only 9 and Jean-Noel added nine himself.  Coute had 29 and Grendal put in 16.  Goodridge had 6 points, 6 assists and 5 steals.  Marcellus had 11 boards for ENC and Walsh had the same for Salve.  It was only a three point SRU lead at halftime and then they just took off.  Unless they get some big-time help, playoffs are no longer a possibility.

NEC 54 EC 84.  OK, I hope this alleviates any fears we may have about how ready EC is to play tough competition.  This is a big win on the road, NEC is usually a pretty tough place to play (I'm not sure if its the drive or what; I've never actually been to a game there, so I don't know, although the facilities are decent).  Jaziri had 15, Montrod had 12 and Quinn had 10.  Onyechi didn't play; do we have word from EC if he was injured or what happened?  EC was led by 23 from Ellis, 14 and 10 from an unchecked Marinkovic and 11 each from George and Sullivan.  The EC bench got some good minutes again and held NEC below 35% shooting.  Half of EC's shots were threes and the hit at 41%, including 7-14 for Ellis.  Just another dominating game for EC.

GC 57 Newbury 42.  We hashed this one out quite a bit in previous posts.  It's a W and a good win despite poor play from GC.  Kauffman had 15 with 7 assists and Herr had 13.  GC didn't play that poorly, but not all that well either.  It should be enough of a wake-up to get them ready for EC.

WIT 63 UNE 62.  A nice close one that puts UNE in some trouble for the playoff hunt.  McManus had 16 and Stickney had 13.  Prezzie-Blue went off for 25 and WIT got 11 each from Hall and DaCosta off the bench.  Neither team played well at all and I doubt it had too much to do with defense.  Still, it was probably an exciting finish and certainly the best game of the night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Popsman on January 27, 2006, 11:19:41 AM
Another note on the RWU - Coast Guard game, Baranger did not play.   He wouild have made a difference against the CG big men which is where most of the CG points came from.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2006, 11:27:37 AM

Weekend matchups:

Saturday
SRU @ AMC
RWU @ CSC
CC @ NC
ENC @ UNE
EC @ Springfield
WIT @ GC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2006, 11:28:04 AM

Thanks for the update pops, any idea why he didn't play?  Will he be there for the CSC game tomorrow?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on January 27, 2006, 11:39:20 AM
The story with Onyechi, from what his teammate told me, is that he is out for the year due to a dislocated shoulder that was suffered in the Gordon game.  He sat on the bench in street clothes with a sling on, and it does appear that it is going to be a very long time until he comes back, assuming that this is even a possibility
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2006, 11:46:01 AM

Props to smizzle as well.  Onyechi is a big loss for them.  I have to assume WIT becomes rhe favorite for the #4 spot up north at this point.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cant dog on January 27, 2006, 12:07:31 PM
From what I understand Onyechi, during the Gordon game, got his hand caught in the net while trying to block a shot.  That led to his dislocation - a direct trip to the hospital.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2006, 12:09:50 PM

Fun...




...ouch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 27, 2006, 12:40:07 PM
So can we get some insight into this WIT team?  I can see that  PB & J, Hall and Doyle lead the scoring attack with Doyle and Gaine being their primary rebounders.  It looks like they rest heavily on the 3 ball and the mid range jumpers as well.  They have some big guys, but they're both freshman and they ride the pine pretty hard.  So I'm left to think that they are a group of slashers and shooters, basicly a typical WIT team of the years before.  If that's the case, GC is going to have a good time with Marstaller and Herr getting on the blocks and taking it to the undersized WIT defenders.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2006, 12:51:31 PM

THe backcourt talent will be even, but he GC experience and ballhandling/ball control advantage will make this game not even close.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 27, 2006, 01:31:52 PM
Hoops Fan,

I would agree with you that the talent level might be even but how is that if the "ball handling/ball control" is not the even.  Experience YES but once you talk about fundamentals of the game you can't really say the talent is even.



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2006, 01:46:46 PM

I think Kauffman and Logan have been around the league longer and understand what is necessary for a team to do well in the CCC.  I think the potential for PB & Todd is just amazing, but they haven't proven they can adjust to succeed against top competition.  In other words, the experience of the Gordon backcourt makes them better players, whether or not the talent level is even.

Again, I had this convo with someone a while back.  I consider talent to be pure athletic ability.  Some guys, with equal amounts of hard work, will just be better than others.  The WIT guys can flat out play, but they haven't gotten the intellectual part of the game all down just yet.  Not to say anything about the guards at GC, who are quite talented in their own right, but even if they weren't as "good" athletically, I would have more faith in them because of their experience and proven decisionmaking in big games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 27, 2006, 01:58:23 PM
One thing I think we all tend to over look is how much a coach actually helps or hinders a team and their ability to develop into a championship caliber ball club.  Coach Schauer for GC is a very energetic/intelligent coach when it comes to the game of basketball, as well as the mental aspects of players.  No one who has ever played for Schauer would say he does not do his best to focus his players on the task at hand, as well as prepare them for anything and everything their opponent might try to throw at them.  Obviously I can not speak for other coaches in the league concerning this matter, but it is apparent that Foti from CSC is strong in those categories, and I think we can throw Millette of EC with them as well.  A coach, though seemingly off in the wings, is the biggest definition of who a team is.  The coach will mold them into his personality and what he feels will best get the team in the winning direction.  Yes GC and ECs teams are good, but they have some solid coaches heading the effort too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 28, 2006, 05:42:47 PM
Gordon over WIT BIG 78-50.  The game started out close and 12 minuets into the first half WIT led 20-18, then Gordon out scored WIT 23-4 over the last 8 minuets of the first half.  Gordon's defence has been on fire of late and they continued locking WIT down for most of the game.  Gordon was up by as much as 39 points at one point, the game only became close when WIT scored about 10-12 points with all of Gordon's regular players resting on the bench.  Gordon had four players in double figures, Marstaller had 20, Vogelzang and John Beebe had 12 each and Kuafman chipped in 10, other guys would have had more but Schauer played the entire bench and the regualrs were gone about half way through the second half.  The only player in double figures for WIT was Hall with 14.  Gordon simply crushed WIT and looks ready for Endicott on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on January 28, 2006, 06:22:16 PM
CSC over Roger Williams, 71-53
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 28, 2006, 06:43:08 PM
springfield smoked Endicott by 20 today, 75-55

ouch
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 29, 2006, 12:29:22 AM
In the Gordon game, PB had 7 points (5 after the deficit was 30 points), 0 assists, 4 turnovers, and fouled out.  Marstaller put up 20, he didn't forget he got screwed last year for ROY.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 29, 2006, 05:58:26 PM
With the weekend all said and done, we can all turn our attention to Tuesdays "Clash of the North Shore!"  This game has as much at stake as any other CCC regular season game ever played.  So with that being said, LET THE DEBATING BEGIN!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2006, 10:10:10 AM

Settle down with the hyperbole there 24/7.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2006, 10:37:26 AM

SRU 79 AMC 57.  No recap that I can find.

RWU 53 CSC 71.  Big win for CSC, moving them back to .500.  St. Clair and Thorpe took it to the RWU front line as CSC assumed the play we expected from them at the beginning of the season.  St. Clair had 25 points, Thorpe added 17 and 14.  Bray and St. Clair continue to battle it out for the CSC career steals mark.  Parrish had 18 for RWU as he continues to play into his expected form.  CSC couldn't hit the three, but they didn't really need to.  Good, solid win for Foti's boys; they look to be finally rounding into form.

CC 62 NC 53.  Still no Bartelle, I think he's done.  Mohrin and Lamb had 17 each.  12 from Largesse and 10 from Prescod.  For NC there was 14 and 13 from Vallee and 10 from Mercer.  Butler and Lewis got shut down.  CC got a lot of FTs and NC shot 8% from the arc.  Curry may get back together enough to win a playoff game.

ENC 60 UNE 65.  Good game for ENC on the road, but they got sloppy at the end.  Jasmin had 16, Jan-Noel had 19.  McManus had 18, Marriot had 15 and Stickney had 12.  Both teams were pretty equal from the floor and the arc.  UNE struggled from the FT line, but they got a few extra rebounds and forced a few extra turnovers.

EC  55 Springfield 75.  This is the example of the Springfield team that was supposed to play this season.  They are way, way better than their record.  EC was obviously sloppy after playing quite a few lesser squads.  They allowed 30 to Yvon and 20 and 12 to Riley (I guess Marinkovic still hasn't learned to play defense against a good big man).  George led EC with 19 and 6 assists, Marinkovic had 14 and Ellis had 13.  The EC offsense was fine, pretty similar to their last few games, but they turned the ball over 20 times and allowed 45% shooting from both the floor and the arc.  This was probably the worst thing that could have happened for GC.  I think Endicott is going to be very ready to play tomorrow night and we'll see the best possible game from both teams.  It should be a barnburner.

WIT 50 GC 78.  Big time win for Gordon.  Very impressive.  WIT earned a tie with 5 minutes to go in the first half and then GC just took off and blew them out of the water.  Hall had 14 for WIT.  PB & Todd (doesn't that sound like a sitcom title by the way) got shut down by the GC backcourt (still missing Logan).  20 from Marstaller, 12 each from Beebe and Vogelzang and 10 with 8 assists from Kauffman.  None of the starters had to play even 30 minutes of this game.  The North Shore is the place to be in New England tomorrow night.  GC shot 7-10 from three and I can't imagine them executing a whole lot better than they did in the second half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2006, 10:50:29 AM

Ok, lets get ready for tomorrow night.  This is where all the EC crazies come out of the woodwork and talk illegible smack for 24-36 hours.

Tuesday
EC @ GC
AMC @ NEC
ENC @ NC
CC @ SRU
CSC @ UNE


I'm interested to see how this new-look ENC team can perform at Nichols.  The ENC big men seem to be playing better and the NC big men seem to be at their worst.  CC and Salve may be for a home game in the playoffs.  Still they all pale in comparison to that game up in Wenham.  I hope it goes to 3OT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on January 30, 2006, 12:01:01 PM
OK, I take it back. No Playoffs.
Is it me or is the CCC just getting worse. To see our best team get spanked by Springfield isn't a good sign.

Its pretty embarrassing to be quite honest. Wouldn't you agree?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on January 30, 2006, 12:43:49 PM
I just loved all the talk from pages ago about moving the "better CCC teams" into their own conference so the competiton levels would rise.  It seems like no CCC team can win out of conference.  Was all that talk a little premature?  Maybe you guys should evaluate the level of play in the CCC and realize that all these schools are just mediocre and be happy playing in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Big Hoss on January 30, 2006, 12:54:25 PM
Very insighful, thank you......I agree that the CCC on the whole is not a very competitive conference compared to the NEWMAC or NESCAC for that matter, but to say that no team in the CCC is amongst the best in the region is incorrect.  CSC plays a strong non conference year in and year about with varying degrees of success, but are always competitve.  EC has the same approach, they beat bates 2 years in a row, and oh ya, Bates is receiving votes for top 25, i think that is a quality win.  EC was also ranked as a top 6 team in the region for two consecutive years behind teams like williams, amherst, keene st.  Those were VERY good teams, with success on the national level....i guess what im trying to say is that your wrong, and that there is plenty of statisitcal support for my position
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2006, 12:55:48 PM
Springfield is very good, despite the record.  Twenty points is a wake-up call, but then again EC didn't have much competition for nearly twenty days.  The CCC was awful pre-Christmas, but they have been improving.

The idea that there will be a shake-up in membership isn't an idea, its an eventual reality, we're just not sure exaclty when.  It's not so much about basketball as it is mission and vision of the various institutions and being able to field full conferences in several other sports that don't exist now.

I still think the CCC matches up just fine with the LEC (granted the different number of teams in each create comparison problems).  We're clearly competing for the third best conference and some of our teams are certainly on the level of the NEWMAC teams, even though they will be underdogs most of the time.

One EC loss shouldn't scare anyone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: umbfan05 on January 31, 2006, 01:45:48 AM
IF umass-Boston beats wpi,tuft and keene or goes 2-1 and in this next week where would that put them in standing in the northeast somebody please let me know.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 09:15:38 AM

I posted my response in the LEC board.  They have to win the LEC tournament or they have no shot to get in.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 30, 2006, 10:50:29 AM

Tuesday
EC @ GC
AMC @ NEC
ENC @ NC
CC @ SRU
CSC @ UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 31, 2006, 10:55:35 AM
There are some good games tonight in the CCC, I think all of the favorites should win.  As for GC v. EC game, this has all the potential to be a classic.  These two teams are, as many would argue, the top two in the CCC and heated rivals, the have been rolling through their conference schedule and winning by similar numbers, but for some reason Endicott has the Scots number.  Gordon is playing as good as I have ever seen them play in the last three weeks, but in the back of my mind I remember the beating EC handed us at the Post Center.  Looking down the two rosters the two teams are pretty even, with Endicott possibly having the edge in experience and, and what I consider to be the x-factor, athleticism, which is not to say that GC is not an athletic team but EC is very athletic and maybe this is the difference between the two.  Hopefully the Bennett Center is full tonight and both teams bring their best, if this is the case it should be a classic.

A side note is that this game is huge for GC not only for the obvious reasons of beating a rival and a possible first place seeding, but the game is also big because GC travels the to play a much improved CSC team on Saturday in New London.  The outcome of these two game is going to be the difference between a home and a road playoff game for the Scots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 11:04:29 AM

Well said Maq, although I wonder to which team you are referring in the CC-Salve game as the "favorite," I consider this one pretty even.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 12:14:37 PM

Where are all the Endicott guys?  I know you just lost badly to an inconsistent squad, but this is the Gordon game.  I miss the entertainment of this time of year; you're stealing it from me by staying quiet.  I want to hear all the crazy smack talk.

Isn't EC going to win by 50?  Isn't Marinkovic going to score 42 points with 27 rebounds?  Won't they pull the starters five minutes into the game?  Give me something.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on January 31, 2006, 01:51:52 PM
Sorry to disapoint you with our lack of trash talking.  I guess we just have better things to do than talk smack with all you.  You get on us when we do anyways and you're the one that antagonizes everything, just looking for a reaction and a reason to trash us.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 31, 2006, 03:20:38 PM
I have to say.  I am excited to see what happens tonight between EC & GC.  Unfortunately, I will not be able to make the game, but I am sure everyone will do a good job of summing it up for me.  I can never say that GC will loose.  Maybe I am just to much of a homer.  I hope it ends up being a classic like discussed earlier.  I don't know if I would be able to take another blow-out.  It should be closer than before, since GC has picked up there defense over the last couple weeks, but you never know. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on January 31, 2006, 03:58:31 PM
For everyone who is expecting a barn burner on the offensive side of tonight's game, don't count on it.  Both squads are either 1 or 2 in the CCC defensive stats, with GC being the 5th best defensive team in the nation.  While I agree with Maq on his previous post of EC being more athletic and more veteran savvy, I don't feel as though those two components will be the deciding factors in tonight's game.  The thing that I think will be the biggest key tonight is what team will take the other one out of their game faster.

Can GC limit EC high paced first 5 minutes of the game?  Can EC shut down GC's perimeter threats?  Can GC finally keep Darko off the offensive glass?  These questions, as well as numerous other ones, will be essential to either an EC win or a GC win.  In spite of all that, this game will just be flat out fun.  Both teams hold the key to their own destiny, and their destinies manifests themselves tonight in Wenham.  I am simply looking for 40 minutes of hardnosed, balls to the wall basketball tonight.  This game has all the makings of being the game of the year, and I hope it is all it's built up to be.

GC by 4.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 04:06:13 PM

I don't care who wins as long as it goes to triple overtime.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Big Hoss on January 31, 2006, 04:31:27 PM
I hear that, a good game is what everyone wants tonight, regardless of the respective favorite.  EC hasnt lost to Gordon in the last 3 seasons, and as much as you dont want to admit it, Nemanja and the EC posts have really thrived in that flex from hell. (half joking half serious).  Gordon refuses to give any weakside help and always front, the result, Nemanja over the top for two.  It will be interesting to see if they address this problem.  Also, I'm sure Gordon will shoot better at home, which is one of their strenghts....It will be interesting to see which team can grind out this match up.  EC is the favorite in my book, but im sure someone will refute that
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 04:48:28 PM

Gordon has the better record right now, but I'd have to agree that its EC until Gordon can actually beat them.  They might have come a long way this year, but there are still a couple of big hurdles left to get over.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 05:12:54 PM

By the way, I was just teasing you guys (well not you guys, the actual guys I was teasing still haven't shown up).  It's just amazing that we're "irrational EC banter"-free thus far, and on gameday even.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on January 31, 2006, 06:16:54 PM
gordon has to win this game. they can't fall 3 games back in the loss column to EC, especially with more than half the CCC schedule gone. i agree EC is the favorite much like new england was when indy came to town in week 8. much like indy i think gordon is the hotter team (not based on EC loss to springfield which i think means nothing) but simply the fact that gordon is blowing the competition out of the gym with their defense lately. however, since its been 3 years, EC is the fav til GC beats them.

ironically i think GC needs to hit the three tonight to open up their offense. at EC they couldn't create any space in their half court set, and i think if they can hit 3's early, this will allievate some of the congestion. not to mention get the crowd into a frenzy. marstaller can have his way inside if there is space.

obviously containing EC on the glass and limiting pts in the paint  is big and i think if one team can get a significant amount of pts in transition it could be a deciding factor.

the bennett center crowd could be a big influence if they get alot of students as a big time atomosphere in that place gets it pretty loud. the sound reverberates. the home students are also RIGHT on the court. in the past the crowd has been wine and cheeese type (though its changing), so EC needs to get out  big so they can take them right out it.

the wilcards for each team are marino/vogelzang for gordon and corbett/burgos for Endicott.

i think darko did have 42 and 27 against gordon or if he didnt it certainly felt like it.

gordon by 2 in OT

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 31, 2006, 10:46:23 PM
WOW a huge monkey is now off Gordon's back as the down EC 72-67.  Gordon was ON FIRE at the start going on a 20-3 run to start the game.  At one point in the in the first half GC led by 20 but Ellis hit two threes just before the half making the halftime score 44-30.  The lead stayed in double figures for most of the second half and was only trimmed late when Gordon missed some free throws and EC hit some shots at the end.  As for scoring Gordon had an extremly balance first half and for the game Marstaller had 17, Herr had 13 and 9 and Kaufman chipped in with 11 points.  Although they did not reach double figures Vogelzang and John Beebe were huge tonight providing great senior leadership.  As for EC Nemanja had another big stat night against GC with 21 and 11, our friend GSMIZZLE22 had a solid game with 12 points and George chipped in with 9pts, 5rebs and 8ast.  Rebounding was much closer this time with EC 33 and GC with 27 and foul shooting was bad for both teams EC shooting a shade over 50% and Gordon shooting 66.7% (many of those misses came late on 1 and 1's and while EC was fouling which caused the score to be closer than it should have.)

Gordon travels to AMC on Thursday lets hope the don't have a let down and then they have a big test in New London agianst CSC.  EC hosts NEC on Thursday and travels to Nichols on Saturday.

These two teams are the class of the CCC and there is no doubt about it, CSC had their time but, I would be very disapointed to not see an EC @ GC championship game. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 31, 2006, 10:52:37 PM
Gordon opened up with a 17-1 lead.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 31, 2006, 11:10:56 PM
Salve over Curry 78-55.  What happend to Curry?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 01, 2006, 08:53:46 AM
Last nights game was just surreal.  To think that GC would ever be up 17-1 after 6 minutes of play is something I don't think anyone on this board could wrap their head around.  GC was just scorching hot offensively, and defensively they were their normal selves.  GC shot a combined 75% from behind the arc in the 1st half and 65% from the field as a whole.  Any team that shoots like that, no matter who they are or where they are, is going to win. 

In spite of the massive leads GC accumulated, there was still nervous tension in the air.  There was a feeling that at any point EC was going to go on a serious run and bring this game down to the buzzer.  While EC was successful at chipping away at the once 20 point lead, it came too late in the game, and the last minute push came to no avail. 

Yes Darko had a big game, but his stats were not an indicator of how he performed.  He was D'd up by Marstaller hard, and many of his buckets came when Marstaller was sitting.  Darko just has the ability to be in the right place at the right time.  Last night there were two separate occasions when he had been volleyball blocked, but somehow, amongst the scrum, he emerged with the ball and went up for an uncontested lay-up.  George, other than being the only EC player sweating, did not seem to be his typical self.  He hesitated more often than not on offense, and defensively he was average.  Ellis, minus his two 3's to end the 1st half, might as well have been selling concessions with the softball team.  He could never get open or create his own shot.  GC's perimeter D had it's biggest effect on him.

GC was solid all around last night.  Their starters were ready from the word go, and the bench was there to pick up the slack when called upon.  Both Beebe brothers hit 2 3's in the first, with Herr and Marstaller having a big presence down low.  Freshman Deluca made a clutch fade away with a hand in his face to stop a mild EC run.  Vogelzang, though plagued with foul trouble, did well on George defensively, forcing him to second guess himself all night.  Kauffman has really been picking up his play amidst GC's 10 game win streak.  He is so confident with his game right now, I'm not sure anyone in the CCC has a player that could slow him down.  But the scariest thing about this GC team is Logan hasn't even been playing the last 2 weeks.  Imagine what they'll be like when they get back the guy many feel is their best defensive player.

The GC party can not last long however.  They have to go into AMC and face the hometown ref's and the atrocious rim situation that gym possesses.  And assuming they win that game, they then have to travel to NH and try to steal a win on CSC's home court.  That is much easier said than done.

If GC can go through this week undefeated, man, you have to favor them for the rest of the season.  Plus that would mean they would host their first ever playoff game, with the possibility of winning their first ever playoff game.  But I'm not saying any of that right now.  I'm just waiting to see what they do Thursday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 01, 2006, 08:53:56 AM
It sounds like the GC game wasn't as good as we all thought it would be.  Despite the final margin being 5 points it sounds like it was the complete opposite of the first meeting.  If it does come down to a championship rematch between GC - EC it will be hard to pick which one will be the favorite.  Maybe it will just come down to Home Court Advantage.  Although I would like to see GC go into the NEST and take it with the hostile environment.  That could only help prepare them for the tournament.  Yes I know I am getting well ahead of myself but I can dream cant I?  The fact of the matter is we still do not know who will take the 2005-2006 crown.  All three teams in the North still have legitimate chances to grab the honors.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 09:34:02 AM

The rundown:

GC 72 EC 67.  Both teams showed their stuff last night.  GC finally killed the orangutan on their back and EC proved their toughness fighting back to make it respectable.  Going down by twenty early on could knock even a great team off their game.  21 and 11 for Nemanja, 12 pts for Corbett and 8 impressive assists for George.  17 from Marstaller, 13 and 9 for Herr, with 11 from Kauffman.  Both team overcame the solid defense from the other, with Gordon just tearing the net up.  Only ten turnovers per side is also impressive.  These are two very, very good teams.  I can't imagine how good GC will be when Logan gets back into form (word is he is clear to return to the court).

CSC 81 UNE 54. McManus had 19 and 11 for Marriott.  Stickney just got totally shut down by Thorpe and St Clair.  St Clair had 22 and Thorpe had 15, with 9 rebounds each.  Bray had 11.  CSC forced a lot of turnover and shot very well (over 50%), while holding UNE below 40%.  These guys really seem to finally be getting it together.  With home games against EC and GC still coming up, there could still be a three-way tie for first place.

NEC 63 AMC 60.  Anna Maria is coming together as well; this game was much closer than expected.  No stats, of course.

ENC 76, Nichols 66.  The d3hoops.com scoreboard is backwards.  ENC stays alive for the playoffs.  Keep the faith Chewning, I may owe you some money after all.  Valle had 19, Butler 11 and 13 a piece from Lewis and Powers for NC.  Jasmin had 10 and 13 for ENC, Noel had 16, and Corey had 11.  Nichols couldn't hit any threes and didn't play any defense allwoing ENC to shoot over 50% from the floor.  ENC committed 24 fouls with Nichols shooting 24-35 from the line!  That's rediculous, especially when ENC was 10-11 from the stripe.  ENC hit the boards well, but still committed 20 turnovers.  Apparerntly ENC didn't play any better than normal, but Nichols couldn't hit any shots.  ENC's playoff hopes remain alive, if ever so tenuously.

SRU 78 Curry 55.  What happened to Curry was that they gave up when the whole Bartelle deal went down.  As much as the CC apologists want us to believe they are trying hard, no one I've spoken to agrees that they are giving full effort in these games.  Their talent level is too high to be playing like this.  Mohrin had 19 and Lamb had 14 with 6 assists.  Six players hit for double figures as Salve rounds into form for a playoff run.  Walsh had 15, Coute and Goodrich had 12 each; Grendal and Woodworth had 11 each and Rego had ten off the bench.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on February 01, 2006, 01:01:19 PM
I cannot believe that Gordon beat EC, ENC beat Nichols, and that Salve spanked Curry all in the same nights. all three of those games are crazy to me.

In the last 4 years I dont think that anyone has gone on a 20-3 run against Endicott. Thats a huge run. That run alone, could be a defining moment in both teams season.

I still think that the chance for the playoffs are very slim for the Crusaders. We'll see!!!

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 09:51:49 AM

Rumor has it Bartelle will be back tonight.  I'm still not sure how that can happen, but I've learned not to question the "acadmeic" processes at Curry; you might get your thumbs broken if you get too close.


Tonight's Games:

NC @ RWU
SRU @ ENC
GC @ AMC
CC @ WIT
NEC @ EC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 02, 2006, 10:45:13 AM
Good Morning,
I have read that the north seems stronger than the south, so what do you think of the matchups for the post season? Or am I a little premature with this request.

Also, I am not a GC fan (at all) but I did see them play recently and they get after it, and when the three's start raining...

Just giving a little props and I hear there fans can challege Duke's fans in staying attentive and involved in the game.
Home Court Advantage...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 10:55:13 AM

I have never thought of Gordon as the best home court.  It is certainly an advantage to them playing at home, but I wouldn't call them the best home court fans.  They might be much improved this year, with the success of the team, but it takes some time to develop that sort of reputation and ability.  Things can change though and it would be nice to see some new "6th man" arising.

ENC used to be an awful place to play until the students stopped showing up to games.  CSC has also had better fans, but they still create a pretty tough atmosphere to play in.  The EC fans have a rep of being just plain rude, not my style of fans, but it has its purpose.  The only problem for them is that the EC gym feels so large, its hard to create an impossing presence or even fill the whole thing up.  Curry can be scary for any opposing player or fan to enter.

I guess none of the schools have the same kind of presence I remember four or five years ago.  I guess that was all circular logic for me to come back and say, I guess GC has as much chance as anyone of being the best fans.  (Although its not either of the RI schools, have those kids don't seem to care who wins those games).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 02, 2006, 11:20:53 AM
As far as home court advantage goes...EC and CSC would be the top two in the league.  I been to a number of the gyms but EC always has a large amount of fans and when they get going it is hard to hear anything.  CSC on the other hand has the home court advantage due to the gym not because of the fans.  Their gym is horrendous.  The gym that gets the worst gym possible award has to go the air plane shack that Anna Maria calls their home.  Curry has a tough old gym but they there really isn't enough room to have a lot of fans present.

I really do not like the schools that only have one side for fans to sit on.  I think it takes away from the atmosphere of home vs. away.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goenc on February 02, 2006, 12:37:54 PM
I agree with that completely. I'll tell you that I absolutely hated to play at CSC (the floor, the fans), loved to play at Curry (such a small gym), but playing at home with a packed crowd was the best.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 02, 2006, 12:51:55 PM
The only reason I give GC the nod for "6th man" is because they cheer as one entity.  It is not a sporadic display, with one group standing, another group losing their voice and another group talking about their weekend.  Rather all the fans stand in unison and cheer simultaneously.

Yes EC and CSC have difficult gyms to play in.  But that is not because their fans are this fierce cheering body.  Their fans, especially on the EC side, tend to be a little liquored up, and are highly inappropriate.  EC fans cheer in certain sections, and sling profanity as if it's the norm in their every day lives, which it probably is.

CSC fans are no better.  They remind me of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays fan who sits behind home plate and uses insults as a way to get into players heads, and get on TV.  It's more or less a cheap way of trying to "help" your team win.  The best part though is they have absolutely no cheering section at all.  The students are continually sitting and are only forced to respond to an offensive score by their team, and that's it.  It's the actual gym itself that is the deciding factor in that place being difficult.

Unfortunately ENC is atrocious, and their fan presence has dwindled because of that.  It was hands down the worst place to play, especially if you were GC.  But now it probably acts as a nuetral court.

CC is like AMC because the gyms are so old and out dated.  I think both gyms just recently updated their rims from peach-baskets to metal.  Maybe they'll get break-away rims sometime this decade.

Yes GC fans have only been coming on strong for 2 years or so, but with a team like this, why wouldn't you want to cheer?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 02:56:45 PM

Yeah Chewning, I'm sure you long for the days of the coneman.  When was the last time you were back at ENC for a game?  It's just awful for anyone who's seen an ENC-GC game back when it meant something.  Although I guess, nothing compares to the contests at the Old Garden in the 70's.  That was NE small school basketball at its finest.

Let's just say that currently there are some venues that teams hate to go to and others that just seem downright pathetic.  It's not hard to have confidence when its obvsious the other team's fans expect them to lose every time out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 04:16:29 PM

Tonight's Games:

NC @ RWU
SRU @ ENC
GC @ AMC
CC @ WIT
NEC @ EC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 04:19:14 PM

The key game tonight is the CC at Wentworth.  If Bartelle really is back tonight, Curry might be ok, but if not, Wentworth needs a win over a South team pretty badly right now.  This would be a big, big win for them if they could pull it off.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 02, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
Do not know the details, but CC wins over WIT. Bartelle went for 20 (at least) and Lamb (even hurt) contributed. WIT showed they can play but their defense is suspect at the wrong times. Do not know any stats but it became close at the end, CC made their free throws and closed the deal.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 02, 2006, 11:37:43 PM
G-O-R-D-O-N... GORDON GORDON GORDON!!!

GC rah-olled on AMC tonight 90-51.  This wasn't even fair.  GC limited AMC to 13 1st half points.  This marks the 2nd time in 4 games that GC has held an opponent to 13 points in a half.  I don't have player stats, but no GC starter played more than 20 minutes.  Apparently AMC was in a zone the failed to play the perimeter and payed dearly for it.  I guess they didn't get the memo that GC thrives from the arc.

Not what you would call a tune-up game for Saturday.  But atleast it gets them back into the traveling mode again.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 02, 2006, 11:44:04 PM
Good to see Bartelle has made his triumphant return for CC.  This makes CC that much better and hopefully raises them to the level we all thought they would be at this season.  They now have the potential to be some serious bracket busters for the big 3 in the North.

While I'm not sure CC can come into GC and play 40 minutes with GC and their "6th man," they have to still be a big concern.  They are no longer a bottom feeder.  Bartelle has some missed time he needs to make up for.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 09:41:22 AM

CC 85 WIT 74.  Bartelle had 24, Mohrin had 10, Marcus Jones had 14, Lamarre had 10 rebounds.  Lamb didn't start (injury?) but he got 21 points off the bench.  For WIT, Doyle had 18, Hall had 15, Gaine and PB had 11 each.  Curry played very well in Bartelle's return.  They shot FTs well and rebounded well.  I'm not sure if its a good sign that they barely won even shooting 50%.  WIT's defense isn't that great, so this might not be the best showing to annoint Curry as a contender.  They will need to play better before I buy into their chance at a run.  I won't count them out, but they need to show me something.

EC 66 NEC 58.  This game was too close for EC to be happy.  They need to round back into form fast.  Burton had 17 off the bench and Marinkovic had 15 in the absence of Onyechi to stop him.  George only played 14 minutes, much less than the rest of the starters.  We need the EC guys to fill us in on what I can only assume to be an injury.  For NEC, Montrod had 15, Sylvia had 11, and Tremble had 10.  EC was up 19 at the half, but NEC battled back hard.  I'm not sure how much of this was EC letting up and how much it was NEC earning it.  Still it was a win, but costly if George is indeed injured.

GC 90 AMC 51.  This was just awful.  GC has established dominance right now.  They should be the favorite this weekend in New London, although that will be one heck of a game.  Costatino had 17 off the bench for AMC.  Kauffman put in 18 in 20 minutes for Gordon; Deluca had 12.  AMC shot 4-7 from three, but obviously that wasn't much of a concern for GC.  11 GC players played between ten and twenty minutes.  Everybody seemed to get involved.  They just hit their shots.  Good win, even if its just AMC.

NC 68 RWU 60.  No stats or boxscore yet.

ENC 55 SRU 68.  Salve won the rebound battle 45-21, with 24 offensive boards.  No one can overcome that sort of deficit.  Seaberg had 11 for ENC, Jasmin and Jean-Noel had 10 each.  There is no box score, so I don't have any more info.  I'm sure Grendal did quite well for himself on the boards.  It seems Salve attacked the ENC post, which proved to be vulnerable.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 09:57:46 AM

Ok, we made it to the big weekend:

AMC hosts Thomas
EC @ NC
NEC @ CC
ENC @ RWU
SRU @ WIT
GC @ CSC


Curry and NEC both need this game tomorrow and of course, tomorrow's game is also a must win for both CSC and GC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 10:14:41 AM

Just a word on Bartelle, he had a grade change that came through to allow him to play.  I know no other details and it still seems fishy to me, but whatever.  Nobody cares about the CCC but us.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 03, 2006, 11:39:56 AM
Although the Bartelle re-entry reeks of scandal, it only helps the CCC in terms of "high-profile" players.  No one could ever knock Bartelle as just an average player.  He brings a lot of notoriety with him, as well as some much needed respect for this conference.  Unfortunately it took him this long to get going this year.  Maybe next season, assuming he studies, he will be a bigger contributor to his team and the league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 11:43:08 AM

Honestly, right or not, Curry should be better next year without Lamb.  I think they should have been better with him, but the bottom line is, Bartelle has not played as well nor as well with the rest of the team, when Lamb is suited up.  Curry will be losing no one, but Lamb, who they did quite well with in the first semester.  It's dumb and it shouldn't be that way, but I think the CC team, with the current personnel will function better next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 03, 2006, 12:06:42 PM
As I have said before.  The only game that really matters for GC the rest of the season is the CC game.  Yes winning at CSC is important but if they cant win against CC then the rest doesn't matter at all.  All the other games should be wins without question.  Let the last two weeks be filled with exciting results.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 03, 2006, 01:12:16 PM
Yeah after a little visit to Curry.edu I was able to find out that they do indeed have a J-term so Bartelle may have been able to bring his GPA back up.  Still fishy, but at least there is a viable excuse.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 03, 2006, 01:46:11 PM
Have to give Bartelle alot of credit last night, made some big shots to set the tone. Last nights game showed that Curry played real well together. Curry's defense sealed the deal. I was surprised to see Curry in the 2-3 and Lamb not starting, but CC's big man did well filling in Lambs shoes til he came in. Although it was a close game, still not dissappointed with CC's efforts. Look forward to attending tomorrow's game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 02:39:02 PM

Were you there Lamont?  I heard rumor Lamb is hurting, which was the reason for beginning on the bench.  Any indication of that?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 03, 2006, 03:19:45 PM
i dont see how you can say Saturday's game isn't the biggest left for Gordon. if they can't find a way to win, then they will have to rely on CSC beating EC (setting up tiebreakers of epic proportions) or hope for an EC slip up against someone else which would still leave them in a tie-break with EC, assuming they run the table after Saturday. frankly, not to get into too much coach speak here, but when you are precariously tied for first as Gordon is, the next game on your schedule is always your biggest from here on out, no matter the opponent. Either way, if Gordon beats CSC they put all the pressure squarely on EC to win when they visit New London, plus all but mathematically eliminate CSC from catching them in the standings. the game is HUGE.

logan is back for the scots. dap needs to be given to vogelzang and kaufman who really stepped up in the absence. also,  the captain jon beebe, mr intangible, was very instrumental in guiding the scots during mr. logan's injury, providing senior leadership and smart decisions at the guard spot.

the curry "scandal" is interesting and makes for good fodder (GC 6th man please start preparing--dont forget Lamb's d1 exploits either--be creative now), but unless steve nelson gets tom brady to suit up, its a three horse race at best, and none of those teams play in the south. so really lets just let collegeexpert weigh in. wasn't bartelle good friends with barros? maybe he tutored him. he is of course a BC grad. they do things at the heights.


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: roy_williams on February 03, 2006, 03:19:45 PM
all but mathematically eliminate CSC from catching them in the standings. the game is HUGE.

Yeah, no first place team has ever lost home court becuase of a loss to a non-playoff squad at the end of the year.  There's a lot more basketball to be played.

As much as I understand the logic behind saying CC is the biggest game (a slip-up there would really hurt them), beating CSC in New London is probably something GC has to do to be considered "legit."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 03:40:04 PM

AMC hosts Thomas
EC @ NC
NEC @ CC
ENC @ RWU
SRU @ WIT
GC @ CSC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 03, 2006, 03:48:03 PM
The reason why tomorrow's game is not the biggest game left for GC is because it will mean nothing if they don't beat CC.  That is the only other game on the schedule that will be a difficult win for them (other than CSC).   Look at it this way.  EC has the pressure on not matter who wins tomorrow.  

CSC should win the rest of their games (GC & EC games are tough game but at home - Curry away)
GC should follow suit (CSC away & Curry Home.)  
Now look at EC remanding tough games (Curry and Roger Williams at home - CSC away)

I think that CSC will win out, GC will only loose to CSC and EC looses to CSC also.  This would result in a three way tie giving GC the #1 seed due to out of conference record.  Both CSC and EC have more loses than GC.  I think it would end up coming down to the forth or fifth tiebreaker.

Don't get me wrong.  If GC wins tomorrow than GC has a great chance to win out but it may still come down to that last game against CC to clinch the CCC North Regular Season Championship.  It would be truly impressive if GC could win out and the best chance for the CCC to get two teams in the big dance this year (assuming GC only loose the championship game.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: TheFence on February 03, 2006, 04:40:24 PM
I've had this conversation in the Pool C room but If 2 from the CCC get in even if Gordon wins out less the Conference Championship game there's a huge injustice in the system. 

I quess we all know that already.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 03, 2006, 04:47:15 PM
That's why I said it would be the best chance.  Not that it would happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 03, 2006, 06:05:43 PM
Let me first say what everyone is already thinking.  Teams do not "loose" they "lose."  With that clarification lets move on.

If we are to assume GC beats CSC tomorrow, akirks rational places every game for the rest of the season as "the most important game of the year."  The CC game does take on more meaning with Bartelle back, but EVERY game from here on out is just as big as the next.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 03, 2006, 07:17:39 PM
hoops,

i guess i need to clarify. if GC wins tomorrow that leaves GC with 1 conference loss and CSC with 3. it also makes GC 2-0 against CSC, and i believe head to head is the first tiebreaker. thus, see if you can follow, CSC would be 3 games back in the loss column because they have to finish with a better W-L in conference than Gordon, rather than just tie them (because of the head to head records). So, with only 4 remaining games for the Scots after Saturday they would have to have 4 losses to a "non-playoff squad at the end of the year."  That's 0 for 4. And CSC would have to win out just for that 0-4 to matter. so yes, a loss by CSC tomorrow would still mathematically have them breathing to catch GC in the standings, but i promise it won't happen. even with basketball left to be played. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 03, 2006, 07:29:18 PM
akirk as i said before a win at CSC gives Gordon some leeway.

first it forces EC to follow suit and win at CSC, or face being a game behind GC in the standings and loss of control over their destiny.

it also knocks CSC out of contention for catching GC, as i stated in the above post.

finally, using your predictions and information, it allows Gordon to lose one of the next four games (assuming, as you think, CSC beats EC) because even if they ended up in a tie with EC with 2 conference losses each, you said GC has the better out of conference record. And since there are no more out of conference games, Gordon would get the #1.

either way, as i said before when tied for the #1 seed in conference with only 5-6 left, your NEXT game is ALWAYS your biggest game. one slip-up and you have to hope for help. 

can someone break down the tiebreakers and the current advantage between GC-EC-CSC so we can get a grip on this?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 03, 2006, 09:02:43 PM
Hoops fan.....Lamb did not seem hurt last night and dropped atleast 20 on WIT coming off the bench, or maybe he was and played through it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 03, 2006, 09:52:25 PM
In response to the Lamb situation, I was told that he is feeling the effects of a long season on his knees, nothing that would keep him out but I guess the coaching staff wants to watch his minutes. As for the game, in my opinion, CC will not win with that suspect zone, and if WIT would not have turned the ball over every other play and with some better defense (much better), CC would have lost big time!! But that zone of theirs will not cut it, the middle was open all day, and the spectators in the crowd were all talking (and yelling at times) for WIT to exploit that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 03, 2006, 09:58:22 PM
Any upset predictions for this weekend?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 03, 2006, 10:15:17 PM
I'm not sure this weekend is filled with upset possibilities.  Other than EC being taken down, everything else would be fair game.  But the way EC has been playing, a defeat might be very probable. 

But for the first time ever, CSC beating GC might be an upset.  The key word there is might.  Even though CSC is at home, GC is on fire, having won their last 11 in a row.  If they are to win at CSC tomorrow night, they are going to have to channel their best game.  In my opinion, better than the way they played on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on February 03, 2006, 10:16:17 PM
Well as for the Dana Barros and Bartelle thing yea he does tutor him and they work out at curry and over the summer.  Curry should be ok, but you have to look at it like this that's the first time they really played zone so you can't expect it to be perfect the first time they try it.  I feel that they will do whatever they need to do to get the Job done.  Wynn knows what he's doing and i see good things in the long run
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 04, 2006, 04:55:43 PM
Endicott squeeks one out at Nichols 58-56.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 04, 2006, 05:03:34 PM
Gordon win at Colby-Sawyer 63-56, no stats yet, but a big hurdle cleared on the Scots way to home court throughout.  Hopefully the AD entered this score correctly, so I didn't get all excited for nothing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 04, 2006, 05:13:37 PM
Today GC did something they have never done, in the history of their basketball program, they went into CSC and WON!  I have no words to describe GC and the current streak they are on.  This is unprecidented, and unbelievable.  As a GC faithful I finally understand what EC and CSC fans feel like towards the end of the year.  While the season is far from over, I can't help but feel like we have already won.  I love life!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 04, 2006, 05:25:46 PM
gordon wins a huge game. atmosphere at colby-sawyer was loud and hostile. a great win for this quickly gelling Scots team, proving they can win big games on the road in tough environments (MIT is a good road win, but it was so quiet people were studying for finals in the crowd so)

no stats yet, but you can pencil CSC into the second or third seed at best. Barring a natural disaster GC all but clinches a higher seed than Colby for the tourney. Not sure if this has ever happened? Also first win at CSC for the Scots ever! HUGE! Remember, I don't think Colby even lost at home during the Regan/Bush years. Historical win for the program.

goooooo gooooorrrrrrrrrdaannnnnnnn!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 04, 2006, 05:30:15 PM
The stats are in on the Gordon v. CSC game and it looks like it was a pretty good one.  Gordon was up 2 at the half, and out scored CSC by 5 points in the second half.  I guess CSC gym was packed out as this is CSC alumni weekend, so GC went in and did a nice job in a tough place to play.  As for the numbers Kaufman led all scorers with 21 and dished out 5 assists, Vogelzang was huge with 17 points and 5 boards and Marstaller held things down inside with 16 points and 9 boards, Herr had a tough shooting game but looks like he played hard as he finished with 2 pts, 8 boards and 6 steals.  As for CSC, St. Clair led the way with 15 point and 9 boards and McCullough was their only other player in double figures with 10.  I think what allowed Gordon to come out with a win was rebounding, they out rebounded CSC 34-28 not a huge margin, but big for GC.

GC hosts NEC on Thursday and will play at Nichols on Saturday, they are in the drivers seat for home court throughout the playoffs, they controll the own destiny.  Should be an entertaining last couple weeks of the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 04, 2006, 06:48:15 PM
Curry wins by 3 againt New England College.....71-68 and Gordon wins at CSC?? thats impressive!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 04, 2006, 08:01:00 PM
Good win for Gordon. This was a better CSC team than the one the Scots played at home. That being said, CSC didn't stay in this because they outplayed Gordon, Gordon more so beat them. Marstaller had a big second half against St. Clair (who went 6-14 overall), offensive and defensive.

The CSC crowd wasn't very hostile at all. There was little noise from them until the last four or five minutes.  Very few of their chants lasted for more than three or four repetitions. And the only comments made towards the Gordon fans were a couple smart remarks from #12 on the way out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 04, 2006, 10:05:26 PM
Salve 73-WIT 50
and it was not pretty at all

Salve had 4 guys in double figures, WIT, one Bynes (13 pts). WIT shot less than 35%, Salve 55%. There is your game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Big Hoss on February 05, 2006, 02:46:27 PM
24/7, why must u always be so overtly pro GC, i realize that this is an open forum, but it is not entertaining to read the same post over and over again about how GC is so unbelievable with this "unpredicented" streak.  I understand you like Gordon, and that they are having a good year, in conference that is, but bring a little variety to the topic of conversation.  I enjoy Endicott's brand of basketball, but I am more than willing to speak on other teams as well.....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 05, 2006, 04:18:54 PM
hey, why don't you tell us abobut the ec game yesterday then.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 05, 2006, 05:19:44 PM
hoss-

i agree with caedmon's. give us some info rather than railing on another poster (maybe whats up with matty?) all your posts, save for one where you say "RW and UNE are solid clubs" (in an effort to build up EC) are all about EC. please don't be calling the kettle black. i'm sure you are willing to wax poetic about even the lowly Amcats, but until you do lets be honest.

nice dig about the out of conference thing too. I know EC has played an impressive out of conf schedule for a CCC team, but when Gordon is a top 5 team in the region, and parlays their conference record to a #1 seed and homecourt, out of conference SOS won't mean that much.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Allworld41 on February 05, 2006, 08:14:16 PM
I am far from an Endicott fan, and certainly not a Colby-Sawyer fan so don't lump me in there, I just have been around the league for quite some time and sure Gordon is having their best season ever, but just an observation.

Have you ever seen a group of kids thats less intimidating than the Gordon fan base? Like they are decent fans I suppose and love their team but don't you get the idea there isn't a single member of their fan base that could ever back up anything he says?

Not that the Endicott fans seem to be real tough either, drunk maybe, but its hard to seem tough in a pink polo shirt.

Just an observation
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 05, 2006, 10:35:53 PM
Hoss...

           ... enough said.

Allworld41.  How does a fans appearance effect the way they cheer and rallie for their team?  I'm sure no single Cameron Crazy could beat-up the 3rd grade bully, but that doesn't mean their homecourt advantage isn't essential to their winning ways.  I'm happy to hear you're not an EC fan, but your posts provide the intelligence of one (see Hoss).  I guess if during half time they had a fan free-for-all cage match your point might be valid.  But no one cares whether a fan can kick another fans ***.  What they do care about is which fans team came away with the "W."  And when GC plays at home, they always walk away with one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 05, 2006, 11:58:24 PM
one of the csc players said they hate playing at gordon because of gc's fans. so i'm not sure you have a very good point. plus, like what 24/7, gordon's fans give them and edge at home. and to back that up, i'll cite gordon's 8-0 record at home this year.

and personally, i haven't been to another gym yet, besides endicott, where the fans are as loud or as into the game as gc's. you're probably from roger williams or something, they had interesting fans when i was down there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 06, 2006, 02:02:41 AM
CSC vs. CC tuesday...any predictions on the matchup between St.Clair vs. Lamb?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 06, 2006, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: Allworld41 on February 05, 2006, 08:14:16 PM
Not that the Endicott fans seem to be real tough either, drunk maybe, but its hard to seem tough in a pink polo shirt.

Haha, that comment about the pink shirt made me laugh.  Being a Gordon fan I know we can seem to be not tough at times because we strive to have higher class, so you won't hear us telling opposing players we will kill them but we still have a couple crazy kids in our pit that I would not like to be on their bad side.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: MLamont1214 on February 06, 2006, 02:02:41 AM
CSC vs. CC tuesday...any predictions on the matchup between St.Clair vs. Lamb?

Last year, the coaches kept St. Clair and Lamb away from each other for the most part on the defensive end (probably because Condon was the better defender last year, but still).

I can see them both going off for big nights.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 09:15:00 AM

Weekend Round-up:

CC 71 NEC 68.  Nice win for Curry; they needed it.  NEC is really struggling without Onyechi.  Quinn had 22 and Montrod had 16 with 7 steals.  Four players in double figures for Curry: Prescod with 15 and 5 steals, Mohrin with 15 and 6 assists, Bartelle had ten points and Lamb had 18 off the bench.  Lamb coming off the bench again is rather strange.  I'm not sure if there is a discipline thing there or if he's just taking one for the team because Bartelle hates to be on the floor with him?  Both teams shot exceptonally well, but 21 TOs for NEC lost it.

EC 58 NC 56.  Waaaaaaaaay too close for EC.  I'm not sure what happened to them in that Springfield game, but they are playing like crap right now.  They need to get it together or they will be stuck on the road in the first round of the tournament.  Vallee had 22 and Lewis had 15 for NC.  Butler had 6 assists.  George and Ellis had 10 each and Marinkovic had 13 to lead EC.  All the stats are about even, but EC shot just a little better and won the game.  Hopefully this one is their wake-up call.

GC 63 CSC 56.  Sounds like a great game and a win that finally solidifes GC as the new favorite in the CCC.  They've answered every test in the second half of the year and seem to be on track.  The Gordon website got the CSC men's a women's names mixed up, so there's a funny boxscore there if you want to check it out.  15 and 9 from St. Clair; 10 from Bray.  The GC big men seem to have finally figured out how to play defense in the paint.  Thorpe barely showed up and GC won the rebounding battle.  Couple that with CSC's poor three-point shooting and that spells loss.  GC was led by Kaufman with 21, 17 from Vogelzang (who is really putting in a great year, very unexpected, at least to the non-GC fans), and 16 from Marstaller.  Logan got 23 minutes under his belt and should be back at full speed by the playoffs.

RWU 78 ENC 50.  Ouch.  Jasmin and Corey had 12 each for ENC with Marcellus getting ten.  Griffin had 16 to lead RWU off the bench (if that tells you anything; the starters all played about 15 minutes).  Cormier had 14, Barranger had 13 and Camobreco had 10.  ENC, outside of Corey, could not hit a shot.  RWU seems to have had the subs in more than the starters and won this one easily.  Embarassing loss for ENC.

SRU 73 WIT 50.  Good, solid win for Salve.  Bynes off the bench was the only Leopard in double figures with 13.  Coute had 20 with seven assists, Grandal went for 15 and 14 with 5 assists of his own, Goodridge had 14 and Walsh had 11.  Salve killed them on the boards and hit free throws.  The SRU defense seems to be working pretty well.  Good win for Salve; poor showing for WIT.

AMC beat Thomas 92-79.  No stats, but still I'm sure they're happy to get any win at this point.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 09:24:47 AM

A couple of notes on the playoffs, now that I feel a little more confident in making them:

WIT is still in the lead for the #4 spot up north, but its by no means secure.  They finish with RWU, EC, CSC and GC, so five wins are all they are going to get.  NEC has two winable games vs UNE, which could give it to them outright.  UNE could also tie with two wins over NEC or a split and a win over Nichols.  I bet we never thought the NEC-UNE games would matter so much.

With the exception of the CSC game, EC has all their tough games at home to close the season out.  If they can hang on (which looks iffy at this point) they might salvage a home playoff game even with a loss at CSC.  Unless they fall apart, I don't see Gordon losing the #1 seed and home court.

In the South, Salve probably has to win out to avoid the #3 seed.  The #1 and #2 are too close to call at this point; it could go either way.  ENC is going to have to beat either Endicott or CSC to even have an outside chance at the playoffs, so that race is over too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 06, 2006, 10:57:53 AM
So I was hoping that the CCC would change the horrific playoff format, but, that was not the case.  The only team that seems to really be getting the short stick, as in every year, is the 3rd seed in the north.  Oddly enough, it wont be GC this year.  It'll go to either EC or CSC, so maybe their complaining this year will help change that atrocious playoff approach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 11:12:45 AM

It's only a bad format when the three teams in the North are the three best teams.  It was that way for a few years, but I tend to like the divisional format for what it brings during the regular season.  It allows the better teams to get out of conference a little more and it allows the South teams a shot at a home playoff game, which they were rarely getting.  I saw it as a compromise to avoid any defections when it happened.  It's grown on me and I suspect it will serve its purpose until all these NE region conferences can figure out the realignment plan.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 06, 2006, 11:38:31 AM
I don't have a problem with the regular season formate of divisions but when it alters the post season I do.  I have said this a couple times in the past.  The top teams in the North and South should be seeded 1 and 2 and then the rest of the seeding should go by record.  It doesn't matter to me if the top four teams from the N and S get in but home court should be awarded to the better record. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 11:58:36 AM

Except when you don't play the same schedule who is to say which is the better record.  Obviously we've known EC and CSC were the class of the CCC in recent years, but they got to play awful teams WIT, UNE and NEC twice a year.  The South teams have not been as good as EC and CSC, but they have been competitive pretty much top to bottom (with AMC and ENC in recent years being the exception).  A 12-4 RWU team could argue its just as good as a 14-2 CSC team because of the schedule it had to play.

You can rail against the division format or support it, but you can't choose between the regular season and the post-season; they have to go together.

I really see a split into some form of two 8 team conferences.  I know some GNAC and NAC teams are looking to split off and it would make sense for the lesser NE conferences to shake things up, maybe find a way to get an extra AQ to the tournament and give teams like CSC, EC, Lasell, etc better chances of at-large bids by forming a stronger all-around conference.  A lot of it will depend on academics and other sports, but its basicallt inevitable in the next few years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 06, 2006, 12:35:45 PM
If you look at the ACC they play an unlevel schedule.  But the top to bottom playoff seeding is still by ACC record even though they play some teams twice and others only once.  What is the difference between them and the CCC?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 06, 2006, 01:12:22 PM
Hoops,

I hear you mention quit frequently that you think the NAC GNAC and possible the CCC are going to split off and form some better more regionally aligned conferences but, I have heard that Gordon is talking with the NEWMAC about joining that conference and leaving the CCC, and I have also heard poeple in the know say that in two years the CCC is going to look completly different.  I dont know which one is going to happen but I believe it is going to be some combination of both.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 01:55:35 PM

Gordon cutting off sounds plausible.  I think there will just be a big shifting around of teams.  Especially with so many provisionals coming up over the next few years in New England.  They could put together a decent conference of just Maine schools, which would help with travel and stuff for them.  It seems to me that the wise move for the smaller, poorer and athletically slimmer schools to try and arrange something geographically instead of covering larger distances like the NESCAC does.  I'm sure the NEWMAC would take one more, although Gordon seems a bit of an odd choice.

You only need seven teams to maintain the Automatic bid.  The only problem is that the NCAA voted down the resolution of skipping the provisional period for new conferences formed by teams from old conferences.  That means teams can't get booted, because there has to be some continuity of conference name.  The CCC could throw out one school, but if they tried to get rid of four or five, those lower schools could band together and block it.

CSC, NEC, EC and GC have very similar philosophies in terms of academics and athletics.  It's hard to tell where everyone would fall, however, because I don't know enough about who offers which sports and who is planning to add sports, etc.  I just think there is a massive NE realignment coming.

You've got ten teams each in the NAC and GNAC, five more IND/provisionals.  Twelve teams in the CCC.  If one or three of them migrate to the NEWMAC, it still leaves 34 teams.  St Joe's of Vermont is in a exploratory yeat and could bee full d3 in five? I think.  You could end up with or four or even potentially five conferences if they get smart.

The only problem is that the schools will never work together like the d1 squads do, so it will probably end ugly and all mixed up.  The only thing I know for sure are big changes will be coming.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Big Hoss on February 06, 2006, 03:50:32 PM
I'm glad my comment wasn't seen as too abrasive, just thought I'd way in on how I felt, but as we all know, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one.  I for one am excited about the finish to this season.  With CSC down, all EC fans can hope for is a loss to CC, who they must play as well.  This could be a huge roadblock for both teams.  As we all know, Curry is capable of playing very well, or very poorly, so who will show up this time is in question.  This brings me to my last point, CCC tie-breakers.  I know they exist for a reason, but with home court at stake, it doesn't seem fair to go to overall record right away.  For example, if I were CSC and lost a tie breaker to a team who played much weaker non conference schedule, such as Gordon, I would be irate.  CSC home court advantage is immeasurable in value to them.  From their perspective, why must they be penalized for taking on the best competition (Keene St., Trinity TX. etc...)  That's just my two cents, if you don't agree thats fine but it just seems like a CSC or EC team could have the chance to go undefeated any given season if they scheduled weak non conference teams(Johnson st., Worcester St.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 06, 2006, 03:57:59 PM
Big Hoss,

You so quickly through out those two games but neglect to say that GORDON beat MIT at MIT.  This was a huge away win.  A team that has a better record than both CSC and EC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 04:04:25 PM
OK, for the final time, overall record is not one of the criteria, ever.  Not at all, they flip a coin before they go to overall record.

First is head-to-head, second is in-division record (ie, North or South)
Second is cross-division record (ie North or South, whichever you are not in)
Third is top-to-bottom in division (ie record vs #1, if tied, record vs #2, and so on)
Fourth is top-to-bottom cross-division (see #3)
Fifth is record vs common non-conference opponents
Sixth is overall record vs. .500 teams
Seventh is coin toss

People talk about going to overall record because if GC and EC are tied with one loss to each other, the rest of the tie-breakers are even to the 6th.  GC will win that simply because EC lost to most .500 teams it played.  I guess you can make the case that GC will win with a "weaker" schedule, but you can't say how they could have performed against that schedule.  It seems tough, but the chances GC could have won one game out of Amherst, Wheaton, Keene, WPI, Springfield and Hamilton is pretty good.  All they would have had to do was play one of them and win.

It's not the way I'd go, but it sure makes tie-breakers exciting and hard to figure out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 06, 2006, 04:20:04 PM
The only way this year could be better is if we have a coin flip.  It would just add the exclamation point.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 06, 2006, 04:43:56 PM
I'm almost positive the CCC adds at least one more the fall of 2007, i wouldnt be suprised if a big shake up took place then as well........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 04:53:59 PM

I heard rumor that WNEC was already approved for 2007, but I have no official confirmation on that one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 06, 2006, 05:26:11 PM
WNEC is approved for this coming fall i believe
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dsd bag on February 06, 2006, 10:30:10 PM
First of all, I would like to respond to akirk, and the comment about MIT.  One Gordon win at MIT is nothing to write home about when you take into consideration the rest of their out of conference schedule.  I mean seriously, Framingham St., Westfield St., Johnson St., Mount Ida?  Compare that to a schedule such as Endicott whose schedule can be found in one of Hoops' latest posts, although I do disagree with the statement that Gordon would win one of those games.  That is quite a bold statement.  I think its going to be a HUGE disappointment if the home court advantage comes down to Endicott and Gordon and is decided by the fact that GC has a better out of conference winning % against schools with a .500 or better record.  That would discount the extremely tough schedule EC had to deal with.  And since this is my first post since the latest EC-GC matchup, I would just like to point out that other than the first 10-13 minutes of the game, EC dominated the game.  GC could not play better, and EC could not play worse, and for that game to end in a 5 point decision, should disappoint GC supporters. And take into consideration that EC played that game without Joey Burgos (who someone hyped as one of the best athletes in the CCC after the first game) who could have changed teh dynamic of the game dramatically.  And in response to the posts about the GC fan base, after being at the game, it was quite obvious that they did not do anything to get to EC.....if they cannot get into EC's head when they are up by 20+, then I don't think that they can be compared to the Cameron Crazies or even the EC fans for that matter......and just one more point, if I am not mistaken, the only banners hanging in the gym in Wenham are for intramurals, and if you travel over to Beverly or New London (CSC), you will see a number of postseason banners hanging in the rafters, which points to the positive postseason experience that has been lived by the players at EC and CSC, which will be a huge asset for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 06, 2006, 10:56:35 PM
Finally!  We have a worthy Coach K substitute. 

In addressing the first point made by dsd.  We can argue hypothetical match-ups, but the fact is, we are never going to know.  All we do know is that EC could barely hang with their own schedule, so that's all we have. 

Secondly, it's not as though the teams, EC or GC, have a giant say in who and where they play.  Those decisions remain for the Athletic Director, and the schedule these games years in advance.  So they try to match-up the talent they play with the talent of their team.  SO these teams were reasonable for past GC teams.  But we can see that that is no longer the case.  I know that Coach Schauer and his players would love to see how they would perform against the elite of the New England area.  That being said, they are 3 for 4 against EC and CSC.

Thirdly, who cares if EC played better than GC after the first 13 minutes.  The fact is they got whooped.  Even if a team plays better than the other for 39 minutes, it doesn't matter, because they lost.  I understand you are trying to salvage any scrap of positivety that came out of that game for you, but you are scraping the bottom of the barrel on that one.

Fourthly, both EC and GC were playing with out key players.  EC was missing Burgos and GC was missing their STARTING PG in that of Logan.  So that argument is completely a wash and has no barring on the game what-so-ever.  If anything GC was at more of a disadvantage that EC was with a freshman who comes off the bench.

Fifthly, the fact that EC was even down 20+ makes the argument that the GC faithful were not only in their head, they were able to shut them down mentally.  But I think you are missing the point of fans.  Fans, although they do help in hindering opponents, are primarily there to cheer there team to victory and give them as many moral boosters as they can.  We know EC prides themself on seeing who can come up with the foulest comment during a game towards the other team, I guess GC fans are just a little more old fashioned and refined.

Sixthly, I don't think anyone on this entire board, past or present, would ever discount the past successes of either team, or the phenomenal players that have come through their programs.  We all know GC struggles in the playoffs.  But do we stop cheering for the Red Sox after 86 years, even when the Yankees are hanging their 27th banner, absolutely not.  Instead they take those years of defeat and they let that be their fuel to finally achieve greatness.  And I think it is very evident that they are doing just that this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 06, 2006, 11:47:51 PM
same.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 07, 2006, 12:21:46 AM
First of all, its good to see an Endicott fan back on this board....for a while there I just figured Endicotts fans hadn't learned how to read yet (dsd bag must be a senior, I know Endicott doesn't start teaching how to read and write till at least your junior year).  Yes there are no banners in the Bennet Center, but thats because Gordon doesn't put banners up.  I'm sure you noticed the 10+ trophy cases filled on your way in though.

As for the EC fans being better then the GC fans, I really don't see how that can be true.  Gordon fans almost outnumbered the EC fans at the Post Center and Endicott could barely get a handful of students to drive 5 minutes to the Bennet Center.  EC fans have been desperately lacking since the cowboys left 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 07, 2006, 12:35:34 AM
WOW that is some smack where was that when before or directly after your the EC v GC game.  I wanted to adress one point you made and that was EC dominated after it was 20-3 and you are wrong or you watched and entirely different game than the rest of us.  If my memory serves me correctly and I think it does, Ellis hit two shots in the last 45 seconds to cut a 20 point lead to a 14 point lead at the half.  So if they dominated why then were they only able to cut the lead by 6 over a 12 minuet streach.  The second half I agree GC didn't play as well but down the stretch GC was up by 11 and they missed more than a few free throws which would have put the game out of reach.  In reality the game was a not as close as the final score may have indicated.  For all your other comments see 24/7/365 post, I think he summed it up quite nicely.

Also one last thing, you mentioned the banners in the gyms at CSC and EC, while it is true that those schools may have achieved more success recently, especially basketball, GC has done very well in many sports over the years and simply chooses not to hang hundreds of banners in out gym.  Personally I ran intramurals and I agree the REC-IM banners are stupid, but I also think it is retarted and redundant  for lack of a better word to hang banners for reaching the NCAA's, you won the conference, so we know you went but I know EC has never won a NCAA tourney game so you have nothing to brag about.  This is a new year and GC, EC and CSC are all differnt teams than the ones that played in the past, so lets not dwell there.

Also the fact of the matter is the tie breaker (if it gets there, GC has Curry left and EC has both CSC and Curry) is non-conference winning record versus teams with .500 winning percentages, so yes these teams are not the elite but its not like they are push overs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 07, 2006, 12:37:46 AM
same.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 07, 2006, 08:30:02 AM
dsd bag

You are right.  EC does have a tough out of conference schedule but what was their record 3-6.  Now lets look at GC schedule (7-2).  There are 3 teams that are well under .500, 3 teams that are hovering around .500, and 3 teams that are right around .667.  That is not as easy as you are talking about especially since 6 of the 9 games where played on the road.  And by the way MIT lose two of their games to Worcester Polytech(19-1) by a combined 3 points.  Let's just stop the complaining and just let the teams finish out the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 10:00:53 AM

Honestly, I think you're right, Gordon's schedule wasn't as tough as Endicott's, but the other fact is that GC knew they were not going to be ready for a schedule like that so early.  EC had a ton of questions coming in, new coach, having to find a floor leaders, etc.  They didn't have control over their schedule, it was done before Plansky left, but the bottom line is they didn't perform during that run.  The way they played coming out of the Christmas break, they were good enough to beat some of those first semester teams, but they just got them at the wrong time.  There's no shame in that.  Gordon played well in the schedule they designed for themselves and that is a big part of this game.  You habe to schedule teams that will help you develop and excel.  Look at WIT this year.  We all knew they would be better, but still not a contender.  They scheduled great.  They got a bunch of mid-low level teams that matched up well with them and they got a decent record out of it.  EC got hurt by the schedule, but you can't put that on another team.  CSC got clobbered by their schedule this year because they weren't ready to play.

You still get to have a tournament, where all of this can be settled on the floor.  And dwebbs, when you agree with somebody's post, please don't waste space by saying "same" that's just not good for the board.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 10:03:07 AM

Some big games tonight:

CSC @ CC
AMC @ NC
SRU @ Wesleyan
EC @ ENC
WIT @ RWU
UNE @ NEC

The battle of the big men in Milton should be fun and the battle of New England goes a long way in deciding the last playoff spot up North.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 07, 2006, 03:59:41 PM
Can we get a line for the CSC @ CC game?  I'm liking CC.  Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 04:42:28 PM

CSC by double digits.  I thought all season it would be a CC victory, but lots of things have changed.  I can;t explain it, but its the feeling I get.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 07, 2006, 10:13:32 PM
csc 62-cc 55
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 07, 2006, 10:45:52 PM
24/7/365...I like your analogy with the Red Sox and Yankees.  Reguardless of what EC and CSC has done in years past, it is now about this 2006.  I watched Gordon play CSC and they have a solid team.  They are well coached with good group of players.  Also, if the Gordon coach/AD was smart enough to make an out of conference schedule (cupcake or not), that would give them wins, and rank them high in the region, then great.  That's smart coaching.  
     AJ I like your digs of Endicot, however, "10+ trophy cases in the Bennet Center".  
      Maq Diesel ..you think it's stupid to hang banners...
AJ and Maq, stick to 2006, your team has a great shot at winning the conference.  Why talk about banners? You just dig yourself a hole. I mean seriously, tell us what's in the trophy cases.  Certainly not basketball conference champioship trophies.  Correct me if I wrong, but are there any in the last 15 years?  As far as banner hanging, I can see why you wouldn't want to hang banners in the gym.  I don't think you can get banners made for the potato toss, or winter carnival best decoration.  
       Believe me, once you guys start winning titles, which you should, banners will be going up.
         And lastly, I think dating nice looking girls, having a succesful job, a nice house and car, is stupid.  But if I could....na it still be stupid.   Cause I got trohpy cases full of memories.  Fighting Scotts WHAT! WHAT!

Ending on good note I think Kaufman is a great player. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 07, 2006, 11:54:21 PM
Gordon,

Good point about basketball not winning much recently, if thats all dsd bag was talking about then yeah there aren't any recent bball trophies hangin around.  I took his comment as saying that Gordon had no titles in any sports but intramurals.  My comment on the 10+ trophy cases is dead on as Gordon does have many titles in most other sports.  Take a stroll through the Bennet Center and you'll notice numerous recent titles in lax, soccer, volleyball, tennis, cross crountry, etc.  As for the banners, I'm still not a huge fan of them, but if people are that oblivious to trophy cases filling the hall on the way to the gym then maybe we should start hanging some up.  We can make this years men's bball the first one, I'm not sure there is much room left in the trophy cases anyways.

On a bball note (because im pretty sure this topic is not all that interesting to anyone but Gordon fans and Gordon haters) big win for CSC tonight.  Curry is still the one game left that I see being a possible stumbling block for GC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 09:22:41 AM

Here it goes:

CSC 62 CC 55.  A win is a win; good one in Milton for CSC.  Lamb had 25 and it looks like Thorpe fouled out trying to keep him in check.  Largesse had 11 off the bench for Curry.  St Clair had 21 with 7 steals, Thorpe had 10 and 9.  Curry shot well, but they couldn't get to the FT line and the had 19 turnovers.  St. Clair needs only 111 pts and 67 rebounds to reach 2,000 and 1,000 for his career.  Assuming CSC makes it to the second round of the conference tournament, that's only 19 pts and 11 rebounds per game, which is very doable; if they make the conference tourney final its basically a done deal.  He's already got a ton of CSC career records.  It's been quite a four years for him.  You should be very proud john.

EC 80 ENC 63.  EC didn't get their bench as many minutes as I expected.  EC had 22 tunrovers and got out-rebounded in this game.  Their only saving grace came with a 60% FG mark and 40% from three.  Jean-Noel had 13 for ENC and Jasmin had 10.  It was only a four point game at halftime, with EC pulling away after the break.  Ellis had 17, Marinkovic had 13 and 10 and Burton had 13.  ENC seems to be playing better as a team of late, if only they could get a few guys to stick around from year to year, they might have a chance to make the playoffs some time.  EC shot well, but continues to struggle.  I'm not sure what saturday will look like.

NEC 55 UNE 51.  NEC stays alive for the playoff spot, getting at least a tie (WIT has GC, EC, and CSC to finish out the year).  McManus was totally shut down.  Stickney went for 17 and 14 without Onyechi in there to stop him and Mark Regis had 18 off the bench to keep it close.  UNE couldn't hit from three or the FT line (going 3-10).  Sylvia had 16 boards for NEC, Tremble had 15 pts and Jaziri had 14.  I don't think either team deserved to win this one.

NC 79 AMC 55.  McDonald had 11 for AMC.  Lewis had 15 for Nichols, Butler and Vallee each had 11 and Sturdahl had 10.  Six NC players had 3 or more assists.  Nichols won the rebounding battle and only committed 7 turnovers.  Chewning's bet is all but dead at this point.

RWU 67 WIT 62.  The Leopards needed this one badly.  Barrett and Barranger had 14 each for RWU and Parrish had 12.  Hall had 16 for WIT, DaCosta had 13, PB&J had 12 and Bynes had ten.  Good game for WIT, but not enough and their playoff chances are dwindling.  Doyle got a rare start and disappeared, scoing 2 points in 29 minutes with only one assist.

Salve beat Wesleyan 66-52.  A solid non-conference win for them late.  Grendal had 13 and 15, Walsh had 14 and Rego had 11.  They didn't play great and Wesleyan isn't the best team, but it should help boost confidence heading into crunch time.  Salve doesn't even have a home game locked up yet, so they can't afford any slip-ups down the stretch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 08, 2006, 11:44:56 AM
to hoops fan.............. i am,he might and,thank you!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 04:04:22 PM

Gordon enters the rankings at #4, not too shabby.  I thought EC might slip in at #10, but no such luck.  They gave it to Keene, with six losses.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 04:13:15 PM

I think had they factored in Salem's loss last night, EC might have had a chance to slip in, but there were other worthy teams as well hovering around that #10 spot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 08, 2006, 04:31:40 PM
Hey Hoops,

How many games do you get to in a year?  It seems like you know a lot about many different conferences.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 04:35:42 PM

A lot of it is through contacts.  I'm not even in New England right now (grad school).  I used to do 30-40 when I lived in Mass, but now I'm lucky to get to five.

I have to rely on people and its helped me to read box scores better.  I still know a few AD's and assistants around the league.  Its just more fun in d3, I guess.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 04:43:45 PM

I guess I'll run down tomorrow night's games.  A lot of teams are resting for the weekend, but there are a few:

NC @ CC
UNE @ St. Joe's of Maine
NEC @ GC

Curry would love a win and St Joe's would love to have one, if UNE will give it up.  St. Joe's is still an outside shot at a Pool B bid.  A loss to UNE would kill their chances.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 10:06:17 AM

WPI goes down and the NESCAC bigs are playing each other this weekend, GC could move up in the rankings if they can continue to win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 09, 2006, 10:22:48 AM
Hoops,
   Let me preface this question by saying I am in no way expecting this but, has any CCC team ever been ranked and do you think it would be possible for a team to get a ranking comming out of this conference?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 10:32:52 AM

You mean in the d3hoops.com poll?  I don't think any men's team has been ranked.  I know Colby-Sawyer has received votes before.  I am positive if CSC had played the way they were capable of playing to start this season, that they would have been ranked.  It is very possible.  They might have lost to Trinity (TX), but I was fully expecting them to win the rest of their games.  I don't think the CCC has much less respect than the LEC in terms of national exposure.  It's possible, but a team would have to play a solid non-conference schedule and win most of the games.  Endicott could have been ranked this year as well, if they were able to knock off a couple big names at the beginning.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 09, 2006, 11:12:01 AM
in the national poll i believe Endicott was ranked at one point in the past 3 years...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 11:35:43 AM
I did the research:

1999-2000 Season
Week 2: RWU men, 6 points
Week 4: CSC men, 1 point
Week 6: CSC men, 2 points
Week 7: CSC men, 9 points
Final: ENC women, 55 points (27th place)  This was after their sweet sixteen run

2000-2001 Season
Week 14: CSC men, 4 points

2001-2002 Season
Preseason: CSC men, 51 points (27th)
Week 6: CSC men, 5 points

2002-2003 Season
Preseason: CSC men, 3 points
Week 7: CC women, 1 point

2003-2004 Season
Week 13: EC men, 1 point
Week 14: EC men, 4 points
Final: EC men, 3 points

2004-2005 Season
Preseason: EC men, 27 points; CSC men, 1 point; CSC women, 5 points
Week 1: CSC women, 2 points
Week 2: EC men, 4 points
Week 3: CSC men, 8 points
Week 4: CSC men, 8 points
Week 5: CSC men, 5 points

2005-2006 Season (so far)
None

This could be the first year since the poll's inception that no CCC team receives votes.  I really had thought that one of those good women's teams had made the top 25, but I guess not.  The CCC has a rep of losing immediately upon receiving votes; it really hurts the rep of the coneference, but you are what you are.  Gordon's got a chance of getting votes if they can keep winning.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 09, 2006, 11:50:38 AM
i stand corrected hahaha
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 09, 2006, 01:03:30 PM
what are the chances of a CCC team hosting an opening round NCAA game? i would assume the best chance is for gordon; if they win out would they have a chance of hosting? how much stock does the NCAA selection committee put in how many fans would go to the games? or is the first round based soley on team performance? i know its done by region and i would assume Bates would be the regional host with things they the way they are now (?) but i think EC hosted a 1st round game in '04 i think. thoughts?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 617primetime on February 09, 2006, 01:13:42 PM
I've only seen Gordon play 3 times, and they were all early in the season, but they seemed soft. I was wondering if anyone has seen them lately and tell me if they've improved considerably throughout the season, because I have been hearing quite a bit about them early.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 09, 2006, 01:33:44 PM
This GC team is def not soft.  You're not going to confuse them with the 88'-89' Detroit Piston "Bad Boys," but they can hold their own with any team.  They still lack the true inside presence most championship calibur teams have, but their guard play is as strong as it gets.  They have channeled that physicality lately, and that might be the reason for their current win streak and their being #1 in the CCC.  They are a scrappy group of guys who model their coaches teachings every game they play.  Also, I don't believe soft teams are nationally ranked for defense, #5 to be exact.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 01:37:32 PM

CSC hosted one year and got spanked at home, which also didn't help the CCC rep any.

This year's expanded tournament changes things.  There will be hosts for the first two rounds, so less teams get home court.  In other words only sixteen teams in the country will host; I doubt Gordon has a chance to be in that group.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 02:40:14 PM

Tonight's games:

NC @ CC
UNE @ St. Joe's of Maine
NEC @ GC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 09, 2006, 03:35:51 PM
so will there be a "new england" host? who are possible candidates if this is the case?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 03:46:32 PM

I would bet Amherst will host (although if they win out, they will get a bye).  Five teams get a bye and host a single game.  Their opponents will be determined by single round games at the highest seed, so I lied.  There will be 21 hosts nationally, ten for one game and eleven for the "mini-tournament" (first and second round games).

The byes will probably be used to save having to fly an extra team some place.  They are done partially on merit, but not really.  Mississippi College or Trinity (TX) usually gets one because they are more than 500 miles from just about everybody.  Although if Howard Payne and Fisk both get it, that might save some trouble.

It's very hard to predict what will happen.  I would guess Amherst and WPI are good candidates to host, certainly someone from the NESCAC will.  They might let Cortland or St. John Fisher host if they don't lose anymore.  York will host.  Honestly it all comes down to distances and money.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 03:53:51 PM
I'll try to be less confusing:

Last year there were four second round hosts in each bracket (much like there will be this year, although some of them will have had byes for the first round).

E/NE: Amherst, Rochester, St. John Fisher, Potsdam

A/MA: Ramapo, King's, WPI, York

For this year, Amherst, WPI, St. John Fisher, and Cortland would probably host the E/NE if it happened today.  York, Baruch, Widener?, and Lincoln maybe in the A/MA.

When it all settles, they may send another NE team to the Mid-Atlantic or there might be more obvious choice.  If they are smart, they will send some Ohio teams to the Mid-Atlantic, but I don't expect that.

It's just way to early to know.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 09, 2006, 04:08:42 PM
24/7/365

I don't want to be nit picky but GC is a half game out of first.  EC won Tuesday night and GC didn't play.  I also do not want all those GC fanatics to feel like we have already won the regular season title.  There are still a lot of games to be played.  GC has been playing well but who knows what might happen.  Any team can have an off night.  Let's just hope GC doesn't have one anytime soon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 04:21:39 PM

Yeah, we all understand, its just when speculating on the post-season this early, you kind of have to assume teams will win out.  GC is really our only option for hosting, unless they some other team wins and Amherst gets a bye, but I doubt that will happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 09, 2006, 04:45:54 PM
Puh-lease, half game, full game, semantics.  Also I don't believe I, or anyone have said anything to indicate that GC has already won anything.  They have to go to WIT, NC and play CC in their finally.  How bout we don't put words into others mouths' there friend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 617primetime on February 09, 2006, 06:19:00 PM
24/7/365

Thanks for the info, it appears they've really come together as the season has progressed. Is that FG% Defense or Opp. PPG?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 09, 2006, 11:53:42 PM
they rank in field goal pct on defense.

gordon does much the same tonight, suffocating NEC's offense and cruising to the big win (as in margin) Marstaller was huge inside, Herr had 4blks, and Schnackenberg had a terrific game off the bench. Vogelzang, the Boris Diaw of D3, was steady for the Scots once again.

ill let those who were there expound on the rest, although it was just another hu-hum victory for the Scots as the train keeps on rolling toward homecourt advantage. Magic Number 4.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 10, 2006, 01:16:09 AM
Roy you should be glad you were not there the game was so boring it was not even fun.  Gordon did not play particularly well in this one and but NEC is just awful and didn't even pose a threat.  Marstaller had 17 points in the first half on 8-9 shooting and absolutly owned whoever NEC tried to have guard him.  Shnackenberg had his best game yet this year and maybe in his college career.  NEC just couldn't defend at all and had GC played to their potential they could have won by 50 points no doubt about it.  GC is at Nichols on saturday and then they host UNE Tuesday, are at WIT Thursday and then finish out the regular season at home against Curry, I am looking forward to a fun last week of the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dsd bag on February 10, 2006, 01:44:09 AM
Roy,

First of all, I am a Duke fan, but if you are going to share the name with the North Carolina coach, who happens to be an extremely good coach (obviously), then please at least have some idea what you are talking about.  Volgelzang being compared to Boris Diaw?  Are you serious?  That is probably the worst comparison that I have ever heard.  Please tell me that you were just excited over the "BIG WIN" that Gordon just got over NEC.  I mean, I understand that all the Gordon fans' heads are swollen over the fact that they are having their best season in recent memory, but that doesnt mean anything once the playoffs start, whether they have home court or not.  And another thing, if Gordon is going to be ranked for their Field Goal % defense, then where is the mention of Endicott beacuse according to the CCC website, EC is at .394 and GC is at .403, sooooooooooo I believe that means Endicott should be ranked above them, but that would mean that you would have to admit that EC is better than you beloved Gordon at some aspect of the game, and that would be too much to ask huh?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 08:41:31 AM

And Roy wins again this year by sucking the newbies into arguments over rediculous statements that neither side can ever hope to win.

I have to hand it to you Roy, its entertaining.  Also, you did get me to bite when this all started, so I have to give some respect.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 08:49:35 AM

Thursday night wrap-up:

CC 75 NC 47.  It looks like Curry is officially back in it.  Vallee had 13 for Nichols.  Lamb scored 25, Mohrin had 11 and 9 with 3 steals and 4 assists.  Bartelle got 12 off the bench.  Lamb and Bartelle still haven't started together since Bartelle has been back.  This is an interesting development.  I really wonder what sort of internal politics is going on.  Curry shot 55% to Nichols' 26% (and 5-28 from three...ouch).  Curry only committed six turnovers and had seven steals.  Dominant performance by Curry, although just about anybody could have won if their opponents played like NC did.

GC 84 NEC 56.  Another big win for Gordon.  Montrod had 11; Jaziri had 12 for NEC.  Marstaller had 23 and 7, Schackenberg had 19 off the bench in 17 minutes and Vogelzang had 11.  The starters all played 30 minutes; I guess they wanted to make sure they wouldn't be rusty for these pushover games coming up. GC rebounded, shot well, played good defense and hit their threes.  The only down side was 16 turnovers, gotta get that number down by playoff time.

UNE goes down to St. Joe's of Maine 46-57.  No box score (which is odd, UNE is good about getting them up normally).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 08:57:04 AM

Academic All-Region teams were announced yesterday.  Making the first team makes you elligible for academic all-american status:

District 1
First team: St. Clair, CSC
Second team: Parrish, RWU and Coute, SRU

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 09:45:27 AM

This weekend's games:

NEC @ RWU
CC @ EC
UNE @ SRU
GC @ NC
CSC @ WIT


Curry hung tough with CSC last week and Endicott is not exactly playing well right now; this could be a good one.  Meanwhile the race down South is heating up and Salve needs every win they can get.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 10, 2006, 10:32:15 AM
yes, i apologise. by field goal pct i meant scoring defense. i messed up my facts. Gordon is ranked 4 in scoring defense. 40th in FG%. wups.

i'm really shocked to hear you're a duke fan. it is really suprising someone from EC would like Duke. however, the shock is nothing compared to the shock that exists over you refuting, nay, out-right thorwing out the fact that Gordon doesn't have future NBA players on their roster? Are you serious? How can you not believe this? Man.

guys. c'mon. why aren't there more people amped about Gordon's win last night. I MEAN IT WAS SOOOOOOOOO HUGE! really, if i have learned one thing from sports it's that if you beat bad teams, it definately means you're a great team. if you beat up on bad teams that should be the #1 defining characteristic used to determine if your team is great. i don't know, i guess i was sooo jacked over the win last night. sorry guys.

oh and lets not forget we beat NEC at home by 28 and EC only beat them by 8 so that means we are 20 pts better!!!!!! we are soo better than endicott. in every area.

MY HEAD EXPLODED!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 10, 2006, 10:50:36 AM
As  GC fans experiencing a year unlike any other year GC has experienced before, are we not allowed a little swelling?  We are accomplishing things, and setting milestones no other GC team, in the history of the program, has done.  Some might us the old saying, "Act like you've been there."  Well, we have never been there, so we don't know what that would consist of.  So we're going to do the best we can, and if we come across as overly excited, we are.

Oh, and by the way.  Apparently you guys didn't know that Vogelzang practices with Diaw at Cameron Indoor every summer.  Just thrown' that out there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 11:05:26 AM

It's true, we sometimes forget how bad and for a while mediocre Gordon was for so long.  They have been hovering in that North #3 spot for a while and have truly taken a step forward this year.  They did play less of a non-conference schedule than both CSC and EC, but they've beaten each one once (with a sweep over CSC) and that generally tells the level of play a team is at.

Sure, their fans will pimp them hard and the rivals will down them, but we have to agree they are improved over last year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 12:10:26 PM
dsd bag

There is a big difference between being ranked nationally and just taking the CCC rankings. 

Does anyone know how bad Logan's injury is.  I was at the game last night (the first since he got hurt) and he seemed very limited in his quickness and shooting range.  Its a big telling sign when your best defender has three fouls with over 10 minutes left in the second half.  Considering he usually only has two a game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 12:45:21 PM

From what I hear its just a matter of getting his conditioning back up and into top form.  A lot of the quickness leaves you after 25 minutes on the floor if you're not in the right shape.  I'm sure he'll be back and ready by playoff time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 12:52:54 PM
But leg brace that he had on didn't look like it was just conditioning
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 10, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Commenting on Logan's injury.  He is limited both by stamina and his new look knee brace.  While the knee brace gives him some more support and mental comfort while playing, it's always difficult to play with a new appendage.  Plus it's always difficult to integrate someone back into a team that has been so good with out him.  I know Logan is arguably the best defender on the team, with Vogelzang a close 2nd, but when a team has been on a such a tear, the player they're adding sometimes feels out of it.  Hopefully the cohesion will occur sooner than later for Logan and his teammates.

Another side note.  Mark Beebe has been sidelined again with what Coach Schauer is calling a planter-factious injury.  Apparently he has been battling the injury for the majority of the year, but just recently it has been inhibiting him.  Beebe adds some good scoring power off the bench, as well as some extra breathing time for his brother John, Kaufman, Logan and Vogelzang.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: akirk on February 10, 2006, 12:52:54 PM
But leg brace that he had on didn't look like it was just conditioning

Leg braces are generally there for mental comfort.  The support they give becomes unnecessary pretty quick once they get back in shape.  I wore mine for 18 months after the doctor told me I could go without it.  He might need a game or two to get used to it, but a lot of improvement will come with regular practice and game minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 01:23:55 PM
I wouldn't think twice about a normal leg brace but the one he is wearing goes from just over the knee to his ankle.  I don't think I have ever seen one like it before.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 01:31:42 PM

I think its just a new design; but I can't be sure.  This is just coming to me second hand.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 01:34:52 PM
What does everyone think about either EC or GC winning out?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 01:47:04 PM

GC's got Curry and EC's got Curry also, and has to go to New London.  Looks like GC has the easier path.

Honestly, CSC is probably most likely to win out.  They get EC at home and then a bunch of easy ones.

Curry has EC, GC and RWU; RWU has Curry, EC and the rivalry game at Salve.

Everybody seems to have at least one test left.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 10, 2006, 01:55:28 PM
 as of today i would pick gc  and ec right behind them.there are somemore games to be played but thats my picks right now.also i wouldnt say that csc or cc couldnt come in from the back door.. i think gc is playing the best that they can,have not seen ec,csc can play better,and cc has potential.roger williams also could make some noise.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: The Biz on February 10, 2006, 02:01:33 PM
Ok here is the deal with the brace. It is a normal knee brace, he just happened to wear a black sock for more comfort, so it might of appeared the brace extended to his anke, but in actuality it did not.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 02:02:40 PM

The CCC has made any uniform judgements about socks yet?  What are we barbarians?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 02:04:48 PM
john,

I have to ask you one question.  How many games have you seen of GC?  If you think they are playing the best they possibly could then you are insane.  Last nights game (although a 28 point win) was very disappointing.  GC should have won by 40+.  They where sloppy with the ball and missed a number of open passes that would have broke the game open very early in the first half.  They are playing well but this team has so much potential that they have yet to tap into.

On another note why does Coach Schauer never use his full bench?  Last night with under three mins left and a 25+ lead he used regular players.  (Yes all but one starter was on the bench but the extended bench saw no time at all.)  I think there has only been two games this year that he has ventured beyond his normal 7-9 guys.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 02:12:25 PM

I think john still picked GC as the best, its hard to complain about that.

I'm sure GC "can" play better, but have they played any better?  Every team from UConn to Caltech can play better than they do; but it comes down to if that happens.

I think GC didn't play their best game the other night, but over the last two weeks, they have been at the top of their game.  There is room for improvement, but you can't call that their "best" until they actually do it.  Sorry if that's too pragmatic for you.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 10, 2006, 02:12:38 PM
akirk......well i have been called worse then insane. what i ment by that was they play well as a team and all seem to hustle.every team makes mistakes here and there but i liked the way they can put it all togeather.i have only seen them play against csc but was impressed.also like the way cc played at csc and that was a win by csc.you can see some good talent in the team..........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 10, 2006, 09:45:27 AM

This weekend's games:

NEC @ RWU
CC @ EC
UNE @ SRU
GC @ NC
CSC @ WIT


Curry hung tough with CSC last week and Endicott is not exactly playing well right now; this could be a good one.  Meanwhile the race down South is heating up and Salve needs every win they can get.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 10, 2006, 02:31:32 PM
Responding to the question why Schauer does not play the bench more when GC is rolling.  With the season coming to an end, and after GC took three full days off practice, he wanted his guys to get comfortable playing together again.  Now I know you might be saying, "3 days, puh-lease!"  But it is very true.  Whenever an athlete breaks from his normal work out routine, it does have both a mental and physical effect; more often than not, it's negative.  So Scahuer wanted his key players to get back into the flow, as well as get their legs back.

It's also important to add that he wants to keep his players in longer because if and when they meet the EC's and the CSC's in the playoffs, his players will be expected to play all game long.  While we all want to see Barile, Flight, Krass and Grant play, their minutes would be meaningless in helping the team at this point during the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 02:39:04 PM

Yeah, I was going to say it seemed that he played more of the bench in games previous to this one.  It's common practice to shorten the bench in the runup to the playoffs.

GC has never been a school that uses a lot of bench players anyway.  Schauer seems pretty set on using ten at most (with one or two more getting garbage minutes once in a while).  A lot of the CCC coaches will throw fifteen guys into a game for five minutes or more, GC just doesn't.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 02:42:42 PM
24/7/365

You are right in by saying that the team needs to keep up their momentum but I am not just talking about the game last night but since he has been coaching at GC.   Like I said I can only remember two games this season that the forgotten teammates have seen any action.  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 10, 2006, 02:57:29 PM
I can only speculate as to why Schauer refrains from playing the bench when they are up 20+, it might have something to do with allowing his starters/key benchers to get as much game time exposure as possible.  It could be an exercise in lead/ clock management for when the games are closer.  In doing that it gives the players like Mark Beebe, Michael Schnackenberg, Time Deluca and Nick Marino more quality minutes, as well as the coveted experience that comes along with that.

I'm sure though, if a game was so far gone for the other team, that Schauer would have no hesitation in putting the "deep" bench in.  Because lets not forget, they do have the ability to be his future all-stars... maybe.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 03:14:29 PM

Yeah, it comes down to coaching style.  Some coaches like to empty the benches whenever possible, while some like to keep tight controls of roles and minutes.  I don't think there is anything wrong either way, although sometimes players are more attuned to one over the other.  It's important to know what kind of coach you're getting in with when going to play ball at a school.  I'd put it in the same category as a yeller vs a teacher and all those other polar coaching philosophies.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 03:18:01 PM
So Hoops,  Where did you play?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 03:25:36 PM

I only played intramurals in college.  I do not possess, well, any real talent whatsoever.  I worked real hard to barely keep my head above water in high school.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 10, 2006, 03:32:24 PM
Guys the the Gordon board is that way ----->.   Just kidding but a quick note about Logan and this new wave leg brace, it is a normal leg brace and with a high black sock.  A note about his injury is was a SPRAIN of his mcl and the brace is temporary.  As for the games this weekend and the rest of the year, does anyone think Curry can go into the post and knock the Gulls off?   I think Curry has the talent but EC plays much to disciplined a game to drop this one escpecially at home.  Anyone else have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 03:32:50 PM
You played for Gordon though right?  I seem to remember an Andy Kirk sometime back when I was in school.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 03:36:45 PM

I had some strange feelings about GC's trip to Nichols yesterday, and then I got an email with similar thoughts from someone at GC, so I might as well throw this out there.

I never liked the drive to NC.  It always seemed to be way too long and even if it wasn't the longest road trip in the world, it sure felt draining by the time you got there.  I was wondering if this might have some effect when GC heads there tomorrow.  Also, its easy for this one to get overlooked with all the talk of the post-season looming.

I know GC's playing well and is very team oriented, but it just seems like an innocent enough game against a good scoring team, that it might be a bump in the road that no one is expecting.  We haven't had than annual big-time upset game yet this year.  I wonder when its going to come.

I wouldn't have mentioned it without similar thoughts coming to me from someone at GC.  That Nichols team is very capable, even if they are still learning how to win in the CCC.  What do you all think?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 03:42:49 PM
No I only played intramurals at GC but there was an Andy Kirk that was a big time player for EC back a few years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 03:43:55 PM

Maybe that was it.  I thought the name was familiar.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 03:44:43 PM

So do we have any thoughts on the actual games this weekend?



This weekend's games:

NEC @ RWU
CC @ EC
UNE @ SRU
GC @ NC
CSC @ WIT


Curry hung tough with CSC last week and Endicott is not exactly playing well right now; this could be a good one.  Meanwhile the race down South is heating up and Salve needs every win they can get.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 10, 2006, 03:45:00 PM
I made that comment a month ago.  Everyone over looks NC at home.  The game, in my mind, is as much of a trap game as any other game this year.  NC, as we saw against EC, is capable of ohanging with the CCC elite.  And lets not forget they were winning the entire game, until EC's defense finally came to life.  Other than the season finale with CC coming to the Bennet Center, this game worries me something awful.  I hope that GC remains focused, eyes on the prize type mentality, go to NC, get the big win, and continue on to greatness.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 10, 2006, 03:46:05 PM
geez, a little harsh with the insane comment. there is no dobut Gordon is playing its best basketball of the season, and maybe ever in the program's history. can they improve? sure. like hoops said, even a team like UConn has room for improvement. as athletes that is your goal: to improve game to game no matter if you are on a 15 game win streak or 48 game losing streak. but john, wasn't commenting on last night's performance persay, just that overall Gordon is playing their best ball and is the favorite in the CCC.

besides his first year on the job, Schauer has never had a senior dominated lineup/team. i would say you are accurate in pointing out that he doesn't empty his bench as quick or as often as other coaches around the league, though he does do it. Over these last 4 years, with a constant young teams/new teammates, like 24 said, i would speculate coach wanted his players out there for as much game action as possible.  with these young teams he has had i think he wanted to teach them how to play with a big lead and also get them as much game time as possible so they could become a cohesive unit. While it is much harder to teach in a game when you are up by 20, there are still many lessons one can teach, and perhaps a time to try new things on the court with game in hand.

even this year's group, the seniors Beebe, Vogelzang, and Hassler; for most of the season Beebe was the 6th man, backing up guards Kaufman and Logan, and hasn't really started on a consistent basis in his career. Vogelzang has only played 3 years, as well as played soccer for those three years, so he doesn't get into the seasons until late. Same with Hassler. And i'm not saying these players aren't great senior leaders, they are, but they are "young" somewhat in terms of logging consistent minutes, not the typical 4 year senior starter like say a Matty George or St. Clair. So as much time as they can get, together as team in game time, i think is still very beneficial. Until basically this season, Schauer hasn't had a team where there wasn't basically a makeover of starting lineups and "go to" players from season to season. That's why i think he isn't the first one to empty his bench and put in Rudy once the margin is 20+pts.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 03:48:27 PM

Roy, where did the level-headed coherence come from?  Bravo.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 10, 2006, 03:50:12 PM
Not to sound cliche, but anything can happen on any given day.  The truth be told I was a little scared when I saw how close Nichols made the game with EC.  But to tell you the truth, this GC team is a very focused group of guys who know exactly what they are playing for.  They have proved a ton this season and gotten some large monkeys off their back, however, king kong is still perched up there in the form of a playoff win.  The guys on the GC team know they controll their playoff fate and having home court throughout is their goal and I honestly don't feel that Nichols is going to stand in their way, but again, anything can happen on any given day.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 03:54:51 PM
One interesting note:  If the standings stay as they are right now, Nichols will be traveling to GC in less than a week and a half.  That is even scarier than tomorrow's game.  After seeing GC first hand Nichols will have a better grasp on how to match up with them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 10, 2006, 03:55:47 PM
First let me say this board is crazy today.  Secondly Roy Williams 4 President in 08'!  Thirdly I like GC, CSC, SRU, RWU and in my pick'em game, I'm gonna take the under dogs in that of CC at the Post.  No other reason than CC seems more together than EC, and they look poised to shake up the conference right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 03:57:38 PM

Curry really plays like that every year.  They have a lot of talent, but no chemistry; guys come and go off the roster all year and then they get it together just in time to ruin somebody's playoffs, but not enough to win the tournament themselves.  It just seems to fit the whole personality and style of the school itself.  Very strange.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 10, 2006, 03:58:47 PM
This weekends game:

RWU rolls over NEC. This is obvious, NEC is daed team playing for nothing with nothing.

EC over CC. I agree with the Diesel's take. EC plays too disciplined a game to drop to a team like Curry. I def give Wynn alot of credit dealing with the head cases he does, but I dont think Curry has that famous "end of the season run" in them this year that they usually seem to have this time of year.

SRU over UNE. UNE will battle, I expect it to be closem but I'll give the edge to Salve at home. Thats a long bus ride.

CSC over WIT. WIT seems to be shooting themselves in the foot after early season success and they have no one to even slow St. Clair. Now, I know we have seen CSC go away from St.Clair and lose, but I think they learned this lesson and CSC KNOWS they need this to have a chance at #2 (avoiding Gordon til the championship). It's too important for them to get upset. Tough travel day though.

GC over NC. I agree with the assessment that this could be a perfect trap game, but honestly I don't think GC is that full of themselves. That is to say, I think they are still hungry. Yes they are 18-3, but they aren't the typical 18-3 where they have been hyped all season and might be prone to thinking too much of themselves, take a team lightly, and have a close game where anything can happen, with a team near the bottom like Nichols. The EC score probably woke up the coaching staff at GC. They will be ready. I guess the only caveat would be that maybe Nichols is a legit team capable of playing with EC (I don't have much info on the flow of that game), and being at home, might give GC a good game even if GC, say, brings their B game. So as not to be a Mariotti flipflopper however, I still say GC by 10.  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 10, 2006, 04:03:19 PM
Does Wynn even play Bartelle and Lamb together?  Or do they sub for one another, playing equal minutes with out even having to share the ball with the other?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 10, 2006, 04:03:53 PM
wow. this is instant messenger at best. but, having just read the posts by Hoops and 24 (you're my VP by the way--campaign will be begin while we celebrate the CCC champ this year on the Bennett floor--that will be our platform--if we get Gordon to win a playoff game we certainly can manage Iraq) WOW

my question is do you think Wynn is doing a great job managing the "head cases" or what not at Curry or its more a case of the inmates running the asylum?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 10, 2006, 04:14:53 PM
akirk,
   Personally I think us playing Nichols this weekend and possible seeing them come to the Bennett center for a first round game is far better for us than them.  A, it will be at the Bennett center and B, our guys and coaches will get just as good a look at them as they do of us.  We are a much better team and I am not worried about seeing them in the tourney any more than I am about tommorrow.   A side note people have talked about the GC team getting a big head, its really the fans that have a big head, not the team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 04:17:39 PM

I'm not sure Bartelle was a Wynn guy, which might be why he is having to take a back seat to Lamb, who most definately was brought in by Wynn.  It's not a matter of Lamb and Bartelle not getting along as it is Bartelle seems to shut down when he's not the #1 option of offense.

I need to get my Curry contacts out of the woodwork.  I heard in November that Tim Jones would be back in February, but we've yet to see him.  Did he decide to just take the redshirt year or is he still trying to get back for the playoffs?  That could be on dangerous team if he returns.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 10, 2006, 04:21:45 PM
To many "if's" for this CC team.  I think they could be the best team, hands down, assuming they had all their parts, and assuming all their parts were capable of working as one unit.  Their talent alone wins games, but imagine the possibilities if they were an actual team, say like EC or GC.  That would be scary.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 04:26:08 PM

Those guys are all in d3 ball specifically for those reasons.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 10, 2006, 04:27:37 PM
I am just saying that playing a team within a week and a half after loosing gives them more focus to work on what burned them.  I am not saying this is an easy win for GC.  I am just saying it will be a lot more interesting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 10, 2006, 04:30:10 PM
Hoops you have Curry down pat. The school is a wonderful place and the kids are good kids.However both are going through a transformation right now. Curry is really working hard to improve thier academic reputation. They have raised thier admission standards each year for the past 4years. This makes for a very mixed bag of students. The same is to be said about the sports (basketball) some of the more high profile student atheletes that place thier priorities on education are not looking at Curry as thier primary option,understandable. The students that do decided on Curry are a lot of times attending thier safety school even as recruits there is probally some place else they rather be. Some adjust and even come to take a sense of pride in thier school. Others feel the school is beneath them and they have one foot in and one foot out. Maybe it is like that everywhere I don't know. When teams are playing well these things are not important when they are not .... well you get the picture. Anyway for the record Bartelle and Lamb are good teammates and good friends sometimes they play great together sometimes they don't again it's only an issue when you lose. Curry needs to win and win and you get the picture.................
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 04:31:18 PM
That Nichols team has a lot of talent.  I think they are only losing Butler next year; if they can get any sort of coaching job going there, they could be very good in the future (just like NEC; it's too bad Onyechi went down, it would have been fun to see what they could have done down the stretch).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 04:32:45 PM

Well, I guess if coach says it, I have to believe him.  Maybe he will shed some light on why Bartelle and Lamb haven't started together since Bartelle has been back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 10, 2006, 04:35:32 PM
It is too bad Posting Up on D3hoops.com doesn't factor into who hosts NCAA games cause the CCC would be cleaning up.  I hope our readers have been checking in throughout the day, if not they have a lot of catching up to do.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 04:37:08 PM
That's the good thing about the CCC room, it seems like you can always pick up right where you left off, even if you missed five pages of posts.

No haikus, no off-topic rants.  Just d3 hoops and nothing but.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 10, 2006, 04:44:28 PM
Hoops Thanks for calling me coach. They started together vs CSU but Bartelle got sick and did not play but a few minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 04:52:29 PM

Are you not coach?  Did you bogart his email address or does the website lie to me?

THanks for your input and info and not getting too riled up about the posts on this joint.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 05:00:45 PM

Ok, I'm out for the weekend.  Going to sit in front of the TV and watch nordic skiing at the olympics!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 10, 2006, 06:19:48 PM
i don't know the story on the rest of the gang down at CC, but Bartelle and Lamb are at Curry because of grades. not saying they are bad kids or that Curry is an easy insitution, but i've heard Bartelle had D1 offers just couldn't get his grades in order. And Lamb was a pretty good player at UMass, but didn't either do enough work or wasn't into the full time of D1. Collegeexpert can probably weigh in. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: buddy on February 10, 2006, 08:29:11 PM
I guess nobody noticed that Mike Mohrin at Curry scored his 1,000 pt last night in the contest against Nichols.  Mohrin's been a solid performer since Wynn has arrived at Curry. As far as I can see, he goes unnoticed.  I'm sure that along with Lamb, who I think is a fantastic player, Mohrin may play a close second on that team. He's a senior who will be leaving at the end of this year and will be missed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2006, 11:57:47 PM
Quote from: buddy on February 10, 2006, 08:29:11 PM
I guess nobody noticed that Mike Mohrin at Curry scored his 1,000 pt last night in the contest against Nichols. 

It helps if either school files a game story on the site. It's quick and easy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 11, 2006, 05:07:53 PM
Nichols website has them beating gordon 62-61 in ot.  Big upset if thats correct.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on February 11, 2006, 05:19:44 PM
AJ,

That's the women's score.  Gordon men won 66-63.  Nichols must have put up a good fight in this one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 11, 2006, 05:43:09 PM
CSC 85 WIT 69
This one was very close...
...for about 32 min.
Than WIT's defense dissappeared...
I do not know what this team's deal is, but the defensive guys that do play defense, do not see the floor very long (scoring, fouls, substitutions, etc.) but  CSC stepped up in the 2nd half and WIT dropped off the map. I believe St. Clair had 26 and 10 and SBJ had 16 with 6 asst.

Entertaining game for about a half or so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 11, 2006, 07:21:39 PM
Change that,
SBJ had 21, Doyle 12 and Gaine/Hall had 10 apiece.
55% shooting in 1st half (both teams) but 57% for CSC and 39% for WIT. Ballgame.
Thorpe had 14 and Bray had 11 and 7asst.
It really was a fun looking game, one I would have liked to play in (back in my playing days).
Sorry for the mis-info.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 11, 2006, 07:22:33 PM
Curry knocks of EC in OT....this could shake up the north...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 11, 2006, 09:40:42 PM
I don't want to appear as though I knew tonights festivities were going to happen, but... I did.  CC is unconcious right now, and everyone is feeling their wrath.  NC apparently loves giving big scares at their place, and GC felt that as well tonight.  The CC win makes GC's finale against them that much more exciting.  I LOVE CCC BASKETBALL!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 11, 2006, 11:46:53 PM
guess i was way off about the proverbial Curry run.

wow. start poppin the champagne down at 255 grapevine. and don't forget to mail christmas cards to Milton. the EC loss all but makes the CC-GC game meaningless. From what i understand (hoops correct on this if i'm off) GC has already wrapped up the all the tiebreaks between them and Endicott? So, assuming GC takes care of biz against UNE and WIT, a loss to CC would at worst tie them with EC (thus giving GC the nod for #1). Either way, magic number 2.

This however does make the EC-CSC game VITAL because now if CSC can protect homecourt on throwdown thursday it could make for a HUGE bracket buster game. I don't know of the tiebreaks between CSC-EC but if CSC holds the edge, than that game becomes mano v mano for the #2 in the North.

Hoops straighten the tiebreak situ's out now as they stand after this weekend's action.

24 is nostradamus.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 12, 2006, 02:25:46 AM
Wasn't at the game but heard that Curry beat a tough Endicott squad. I have to give Curry alot of credit even though they blew a huge lead to bring the game into overtime, this is not the same Curry team that lost to SRU or CSC recently....a blowout win against NC and win at EC speaks for itself. I look forward to hearing about the outcome of CC-GC next week.....seems like that last minute Curry streak is in progress and will continue into the post-season.


My Prediction: Curry beats GC and ends their winning streak!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: buddy on February 12, 2006, 10:35:12 AM
Wow! What a great night it was for CCC basketball. I just wish I could have been at both the GC/NC & the EC/CC games, but with the weather predictions & the proximity of the 2 games, it was a no brainer, I didn't even have to toss a coin. I was at  the EC/CC game and I'm glad I did!
After a nice presentation of the 1,000 pt game balls to both Marinkovic & George, the game began. Curry came out with a real killer pace & with what has to have been their best "in conference" play all year.  Offensively, they could do no wrong . . from any spot they shot, the ball seemed to drop. Defensively , they collected their fair share of the boards. The momentum was all theirs and I thought it was going to carry over the rest of the game, when the beginning of the 2nd half started. But then, what must have felt like a nightmare for Curry happened. It was the momentum shift. It was precipitated by some bogus officiating calls against Curry, which gave the Gulls the feeling they were still in the game. To their credit, they used it to fuel their comeback. With a tenacious trapping , full court press defense, which was well executed ,  and with the now raving fans in the stands, they rattled Curry enough  to turn over the ball several times, which led to EC tying the game at the end of regulation. At that point, it looked like Curry was done. When they came out  for the jump ball at the start of OT,  EC  got a quick 2 points,  things were looking worse for Curry. With time running out & Curry down by 4, it now looked like it was going to be an EC victory for sure. Somehow, the Curry men got together, stood tall, kept their composure, dropped in a 3 & it was once again anyone's ballgame. Somehow Curry got the ball back & got a breakaway 2 & they were now up by 1.  With 3.5 seconds left on the clock & a sideout for EC, you had to think there was still a chance. However, a forced bad in-bounds pass led to a tie up on the floor & time expired. With all that, I have to congratulate the Curry team for hanging tough in a game that should have been won easily.

Can someone who was at the GC/NC game please post some details on how the game was played & some of the highlights.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 12, 2006, 10:56:24 AM
Having talked to a few guys who went, and to some of the players, the GC/NC game and the 3 point victory was not as thrilling as one would perceive it to be.  GC was up 10 at half and the lead dwindled to 7 for the majority of the game.  With about 2 mins to go NC hit back to back shots and cut the lead to 2.  NC apparently thought they needed to foul so GC just hit free throws.  NC never was closer than 3 after cutting it to 2 with 90 seconds left.  From what I'm told, this was a case of GC playing awful and NC playing thier best.  That's a good sign, I guess.

As for the EC/CC game.  It sounds a lot like when EC made the trip to GC.  Big lead cut to a few in the 2nd half.  EC, as of late, is getting a taste of their own medicine.  Being down big early, and having to claw there way back only to come up short.  EC is not carrying a whole lot of Mr. Momentum into CSC or the playoffs for that matter.  Maybe the inexperience/lack of leadership we talked about earlier in the year is finally catching up to them?  We'll just have to see how this final week plays out for them.

Yes CC is doing their late season run.  But they are beating teams that have been struggling.  They throttled NC at home, and beat a very vulnerable EC team as well.  But with all the drama with this team, talent can only take you so far, the team aspect is what puts you over the edge.  So I still like GC, at home.  They're undefeated, and Coach Schauer is going to have his guys raren' and ready to play the big bad boys from CC.

 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 12, 2006, 11:52:49 AM
Nichols had the ball with the shot clock off down by three, but took a pretty bad shot with a defender in their face. Kaufman then hit two FT's to go up by five and seal it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 13, 2006, 01:39:40 AM
Well it was an interesting weekend in the CCC and one where many predictions about this weekend's games came true.  As for the GC v. Nichols game let me say this, Nichols is a scrappy team, with a lot of heart.  Now that that's out of the way, Saturdays game was UGLY, maybe not for Nichols but certainly for GC, and mostly for the officials, who as officials go were horrific.  But as for the teams I am not just saying this but I think Nichols played a good game.  GC on the other hand played as bad as I have seen them play, at least defensively, this entire year.  Nichols is kind of a hard team to match up with because they at most points during the game had four guys 6' 4" or better on the floor.  Still match-ups and all Gordon's Man to Man defense was poor (they defended well in a Zone, but switched in an out), I think 24/7/365 was right about them being a little rusty from their three day break.  On offence I feel like they struggled to find their rhythm and didn't hit many 3's but still scored alright because Nichols defense was a little weak.  To sum it up it was a weird game.  The reffs sucked, and GC just couldn't seem to get anything going.  Without a doubt they are a better team with more talent, and Nichols although feisty and hard working does not scare me as a playoff match-up especially at home in the Bennett center.

A couple thoughts about GC in the playoffs.  Not to sound like a homer but if they can find their rhythm, the one thing I think that separates them from any other team is their ability to score as a team.  What I mean by this is that any night anyone of 7 or 8 guys can lead them in scoring and a couple more can be in double digits.  Now you can say that they don't have a go-to guy per se, but I think at this level having that many guys that can score is dangerous and poses a tough match-up.  Should be an interesting last week of the season with a playoff race in the north up for grabs, seeding up in the air and two very big games in EC @ CSC and CC @ GC should be a great last week
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 13, 2006, 02:32:48 AM
the other thing i noticed on offense for gordon was they had more turnovers than assists. and obviously the fg% and 3pt% in the 2nd half was off the charts horrific, but it's a sign of a good team to win without your best, especially on the road. nichols is scrappy like diesel points out, and frankly it's nice to  get a road W when GC played how they did. i think they played a similar game against EC early this year and they got rolled out of the gym. i'm not comparing nichols to EC persay, just noting the fact that i think GC has grown as team and has come together during this win streak, enough to withstand an effort like saturday on the road and still get a W.

found this interesting tidbit on Bartelle....maybe this is why he doesn't fit into a system too well. but kid can sure ball.

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2005/08/22/hip_hoops_make_a_hop_into_town/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 09:13:59 AM

NEC 72 RWU 77 in OT.  No stats that I can find.  Probably not the best game for a RWU team that should dominate in the post against a team whose only post presence isn't playing.

CC 80 EC 79 in OT.  Points to 24/7 for pointing out that EC has been struggling.  This is still a big win for Curry, but I'm not hopping on the bandwagon unless they can put the same hurt on GC.  Still, very nice win.  CC got out to a big lead at halftime and EC battled back.  Just two very talented teams, playing very well.  27 qnd 10 from Marinkovic is huge because he rarely plays that well versus good big men.  Curry has been slacking on the boards this year, but didn't in this game; good showing for Nemanja.  George had 15 with 5 assists and Burton had 11 points for EC.  Curry put five guys in double figures Bartelle with 18 off the bench, Prescod had 17, Lamb had 16, Mohrin had 15 and Largesse had 11.  Curry is going to have to take care of the ball better (19 TOs on 15 EC steals tells me they were trying to be too fancy with the ball).  EC shot 7-28 from three, which didn't help, but they also missed 12 free throws, which could have really helped.  Curry shot over 50% from the floor and 45% from the arc; EC did well to give those numbers up and still keep it close.

UNE 54 SRU 65.  16 for McManus, 16 for Regis, 11  and 11 for Stickney.  UNE had 16 turnovers and not nearly enough rebounds, although their shooting was better than it has been.  Coute scored 24, finally deciding to carry this team, like the all-conference player he is capable of being.  Walsh came up big with 18 and 10 and Grendal chipped in 10 and 11.  Salve is good on the boards, but I've yet to see them come up big against a big team.  The match-up with RWU coming up should be very, very good.

GC 66 NC 63.  A close game like we thought.  GC just couldn't put the nail in the coffin and Nichols showed that they have a very nice future with all that young talent.  Lewis had 21 for NC, Vallee had 20 and 9, Butler put in 11 and Mercer had 5 assists off the bench.  Marstaller had 16 and 10, Logan got 17 and Kauffman had 13.  Gordon got to the FT line a lot and NC missed a bunch of threes, which seemed to be the big failings.  The Nichols squad brings nearly everyone back next year and is showing a lot of improvement here at the end of the season.  They are definately up and coming.

CSC 85 WIT 69.  Word is WIT is another great up and coming squad too.  They are led by young guys and against the senior ladened CSC squad on a mission, were just no match down the stretch when the boys from New London turned it on.  The WIT coaching staff knows what they are doing from a recruiting stand point and the players seem to be developing; good things for them in the future.  21 for Prezzie-Blue with five assists, 10 pts from Hall off the bench.  Doyle got 12 points and 4 assists (making up for the poor performance in his last start).  Gaine also had 10 pts for WIT.  St Clair went for 26 and 9, Kenny had 14 (where has he been all season; he could be very important for the tournament), BRay went for 11 and 7 assists and Thorpe had 11 points as well.  CSC is looking poised for a good run in the conference tourney.  I'd like to see them win it; I think they are rounding into form and could make waves.  CSC still had problems getting to the line, but their shooting is much improved.  WIT shot 1-9 from deep and probably knocked them off their game a little bit.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 09:27:49 AM

I'll do a breakdown of the playoff spots as soon as the d3hoops.com individual team pages decide to load again.  They always get slow on Monday mornings.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 09:58:27 AM

OK, I'll give it a try:

RWU control their own destiny in the South.  If they beat Salve they secure a home game for the playoffs, if they beat Salve and Curry, they secure the #1 seed.  The interesting thing comes if they lose out (SRU, CC and EC) its not that unlikely.  Salve only has a game with RWU and then NEC.  If Salve wins out and Roger Williams loses out, Salve gets the tiebreaker because they beat RIC and Wheaton in the non-conference schedule.  Curry has AMC next, then they only have to beat either RWU or Gordon to clinch #1.  A three-way tie will only be possible is Anna Maria beats Curry, so we're counting that out.  A CC-RWU tie for first is possible, but Curry has that tiebreaker already with a sweep of Nichols.  Nichols is the #4 seed in the South, nothing can change that.  The most likely scenario is #1 Curry, #2 RWU, #3 SRU and #4 NC.  RWU and SRU could switch places depending on their head-to-head.

In the North, GC can afford to lose to Curry, but they have to beat UNE and WIT.  CSC gets the #2 seed with a win over EC.  EC has the hardest road with CSC and RWU still on it.  The #4 is very interesting though.  WIT has only GC and EC left, so they are most likely not going to win another game.  That means for a tie, NEC is going to have to lose to CSC, UNE and SRU.  This is not out of the question.  A tie at five wins, gives the #4 seed to WIT, but a tie at 6 wins, also gives the #4 seed to WIT because 6 wins for them means a win over either GC or EC.  NEC's only hope (and most likely scenario) is to beat UNE and hope WIT loses twice.  Most likely #1 Gordon, #2 CSC, #3 Endicott, #4 NEC.  If EC beats Colby-Sawyer, then those seeds will switch.

This would most likely produce Curry-CSC and GC-EC semifinals, which would be awesome.  Things could change, but those seem to be the most likely scenarios right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 13, 2006, 11:20:55 AM
Hey does anyone have any thoughts on Coach of the Year?  I would say it would ahve to be between RW and GC's coaches.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 13, 2006, 11:36:05 AM
thanks for breaking it down hoops. so, it does look like the CC-GC game will be meaningless for the Scots. Is the precedent to (for the most part) rest the regulars going into the game when you have #1 wrapped up, or is it to play a complete game because playoffs start so soon and its your only chance to see Curry? I guess you could make the same arguement the other way, choosing not to show Curry your best for scouting purposes. I dunno, just wondering what the precendent usually is in these cases. My feeling is that Schauer will go with his best for the majority, maybing resting those who have might have some undisclosed nagging injuries.

props to CSC for withstanding the 0-2 start in conference, getting barraged on the road by EC and GC. i guess in the back of our mind we all expected this veteran team to respond, but the fact that thursday's game is for #2 in the North, i give Colby-Sawyer credit for battling back this far.

if Gordon clinches the #1 (even losing to Curry at the end) I would have to say Schauer would lock up the COY. Although, last year Marstaller should have won ROY so who knows?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 13, 2006, 11:47:53 AM
They only reason why I would out RW's coach in there is due to the huge lose in the beginning of the season.  If I remember correctly they lost one of their best players for the season due to a stress fracture on his tibia?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 12:28:45 PM

The RWU team did a good job rebounding from a tough loss, but it took way too long for me to send a COY that way.  I think it has to go to Shauer, especially if they finish 15-1.  This is a breakthrough year for GC and an unexpected result (I'm not sure even they counted on sweeping CSC this year).

There is no way GC should be resting anyone against CC.  This is not just gearing up for a conference tournament.  This is preparing the team for a national tournament spot.  Even if they lose in the conference tournament, GC has a good enough record to get at at-large bid to the dance.  A regular season loss to Curry could damage those chances.  They need to win.  If they can get out of the first round of the conference tournament with a 22-2 regional record, the other games are no-pressure, which actually makes them easier to win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on February 13, 2006, 12:34:49 PM
hey Roy as for what you posted about Bartelle he played with And 1 for the past 2 years, and they are practically begging for him to come and play full time after college on the oppsing team.  He really gave that team a problem and made their little show into a serious game after raining 3's all day on them and dunking on one of their key players, but he has talent, but he needs more discipline as a team player and I promise you if he can start playing within the program he and get his head right could go pro.  Curry is a very good team with a excellent coaching staff I think they could pull it off this year, and not to put him over the team but if you all notice Curry is Undefeated since Bartelle's return(you can't count the Colby-Sawyer game because he didn't play) but when he's on the court scoring the haven't been beating yet that might be a sign of a CCC Championship for Curry.  We just have to wait and see
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 13, 2006, 12:36:44 PM
Hoops,

I agree with you.  Shauer should win but I was more or less wondering if there are any others in the running.  Does GC move up to #2 in the reginoal rankings? And one more thing, will GC get any votes for Top 25 at all?  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 12:40:48 PM

GC might get some votes.  Some voters tend to give votes based on region (like they give two to the NE, no matter what, etc).  I think they do get up to #2 or #3.  Honestly, Tufts deserves to stay ahead of them and probably will.

They might get some top 25 votes, which the CCC needs to keep up their streak of getting at least one in each year of the poll.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 13, 2006, 01:06:26 PM
I can't see Coach Schauer resting his players in the last game of the season with a playoff spot secure, even if they were playing AMC, thats just not his style.  In addition to that this team is not playing like they were a couple of weeks ago and I think how they play this week and if they continue to improve will tell us a lot about how they will fare in the playoffs.

As for Coach of the Year I think Schauer is the front runner espcially if they finish 15-1.  With that in mind consider one thing, this years team is the first team in which the vast majority of players are Schauer's "guys."  That makes things easyer and is a good sign of things to come and shows what type of a recruiter he is.  This may be a shock to some but my secnd place vote would go to Millette of Endicott.  I think he has done a great job with that team this year, I know they were expected to be good but, to come in and take over a team that lost its coach and team leader and play the way they have this year says a lot about his Coaching.

What are peoples thoughts about other awards POY, ROY, ALL-CCC TEAMS?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 01:22:57 PM

St Clair is Playrer of the Year, especially with the way the team started, to be where they are is all on him.  Besides, the coaches usually give it to the best four-year performer even if he was only #2 or #3 in his senior year.  It's just the way the CCC coaches do it.

Coach I have to agree is Shauer 1st then Millette at EC and maybe Devitt at WIT 3rd.  No one else should even get consideration.

Rookie is pretty interesting.  Doyle is the prohibitive favorite.  Largesse from Curry is also a very good choice for it.  Montrod (I think he's a freshman) from NEC is a solid player as well.  Others who have contributed are Szelinga at CSC, Jean-Noel at ENC, Mercer from Nichols, Barrett from RWU, and Walsh from SRU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 13, 2006, 01:35:58 PM
Lots of topics, lots of topics, where to start?

COY... easy.  GC's Coach Schauer.  He has this team doing things they have never done, and a big part, if not all of it, is how he prepares them game to game.  The fact that they beat CSC twice should be reason enough to give him the nod.  But when a team goes 3-4 against EC and CSC, he has it locked down.

POY... hmmm.  Marinkovic, Marstaller, The Saint, and Roy Williams.  Other than Roy, I think the other three have a real shot.  Despite The Saint's lackluster year, he has still put up solid, solid numbers.  Marinkovic always shows up for the big games and has been a presence down low for the guard heavy EC squad.  The same goes for Marstaller.  He has become such a force down low, that teams are forced to begin double teaming him, or risking him scoring the first 11 points of the game (see NEC).  But let's be honest.  The Saint will get the nod.  The kid has put the CCC on the map, and he is arguably the best player to ever come through the conference.  It would be nice to see him walk away with a well deserved POY.  Plus the other two are going to have their chances down the road.

ROY... Marstaller.  They should revoke PB & J's and give it to the rightful man.

GC vs. CC.  No way does Schauer rest his boys.  They have a 14 game winning streak to protect. Plus they want all the momentum they can muster before playoffs hit three days later.  They need to know how they match up to CC, and they need the confidence that they can beat them.  But if, on the off chance, GC does go down, they will be able to analyze what they did wrong, and correct it if the meet in the 'Ship.  These kids love to play, and Schauer would never deprive them of that.

Can we please start thinking of Bartelle's And 1 name?  I feel as though this could be a good event until playoffs come next Tuesday.  It'll give us something to occupy our time with.  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 02:27:35 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 13, 2006, 01:35:58 PM

Can we please start thinking of Bartelle's And 1 name? 

I think "Incomplete" would be an appropriate name, given the academic situation.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on February 13, 2006, 03:25:59 PM
Too add something that has been overlooked:

"St. Clair Earns Academic All-District Honors For Third Time"

Check the Colby Sawyer website. For those of you that missed it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 03:33:42 PM

I mentioned that a few pages back, but good to bring up again; it's quite an accomplishment.  He is now elligible to be selected as an academic all-american, with a pretty good chance at it this time.

This isn't just d3, its all "small colleges" basically d2, d3 and NAIA.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 13, 2006, 03:41:38 PM
When and where do regional rankings come out?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on February 13, 2006, 03:45:30 PM
Last year St. Clair ended up on the All American third team, as well as all district 1 first team. So he has a chance of possibly being a first or second team all-american. Quite the accomplishments.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 03:47:29 PM

Wednesday, Pat has them posted pretty quickly on the front page.  They also go up on the ncaasports site.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 13, 2006, 04:11:53 PM
Can GC get one top 25 vote please?  I'm not askn' to be ranked here.  I think they deserve a vote atleast.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 13, 2006, 04:14:22 PM
I saw on the top of the posting up section Pat is going to put up the updated QOWI when is that going to be up anyone know?  Should be interesting to see where CCC school wind up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 04:18:52 PM

No votes for GC in the poll, but Tufts didn't get any either, which is really suprising.  I guess they have to keep winning.


Pat updates the QOWI numbers when they get all the scores through one day.  I would think they could do it after tonight.  Gordon should still be near the top.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 13, 2006, 04:32:25 PM
College expert do you want a cookie for bragging about James Bartelle..??? I'm a Curry fan but do not think James Bartelle deserves that much credit (undefeated since his return??) or attention. And thank you for pointing out he played with And 1 for 2 years straight and is being "begged" to play for And 1, but..............what does that have to do with the CCC and to be honest who cares!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 04:44:45 PM

Here are the up-to-date QOWI numbers and the in-region records for the NE region, these are what will be used to determine the rankings, which will be released on Wednesday.


1.   Amherst     12.091     21-1
4.   Worcester Polytech    11.143    18-3
13. Tufts    10.682    18-4
23. Gordon    10.250    18-2
30. Trinity (Conn.)    10.111    14-4
32. Bates    10.050    15-5
45. Westfield State    9.762    14-7
49. Keene State    9.650    14-6
54. Williams    9.591    15-7
55. Rhode Island College    9.545    15-7
56. Plymouth State    9.522    15-8
57. MIT    9.500    13-7
61. Salem State    9.429    15-6
66. Wheaton (Mass.)    9.400    13-7
79. Emmanuel    9.190    16-5
80. Elms    9.167    14-4
87. Endicott    9.000    12-7
88. Coast Guard    9.000    14-6
90. Bowdoin    9.000    12-7
99. Norwich    8.900    15-5
100. Mass-Boston    8.900    12-8
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on February 13, 2006, 04:54:15 PM
well Mlamont for your info I wasn't tryin to give him all the credit or any as you would say i'm just saying the haven't been beating since he's been back so don't try to come at me like I was giving him al the credit and the whole and 1 thing was a response to roy_williams not you so if you have negative comments keep them to yourself because who cares what you have to say.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 13, 2006, 05:07:02 PM
Well you seem to be contradicting yourself. In your last post you stated that Curry has been undefeated since "your" return, but then failed to beat CSC because "you" did not play. "You" seem to support the theory of I in team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 13, 2006, 05:15:51 PM
Can we quit the lovers spat please.  And if MLamont1214 is correct by saying that collegeexpert72 is who he say he is.  We love players insight, but only when their 4 years are up.  This board has little to no room for current players (see EC's Burton).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on February 13, 2006, 05:58:51 PM
Well if I was him maybe I would give you a clue on what's going on but as far as me contradicting myself I didn't say Curry lost because He didn't play I just said that's the only game that he didn't play that they didn't win since he's been back stop trying to think that you know that i'm who you say i am.  I keep up with kids that I take a liking to and that I help but it goes to show if you give to much credit to someone then you must be him oh grow up I just stating he's a good ball player.  Lamb is the best player on the team hands down as a matter of fact he's the best player in the CCC Bartelle just needs to notice that and next year he may just be the go to guy so MLamont a.k.a Steven A. Smith or bill Walton which ever you are stop assuming we all know what that does.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 13, 2006, 06:29:40 PM
Does anyone else hate it when people refuse to use punctuation, proper grammar, and all around enjoyable writing styles?  Maybe it's just me, but when this
Quote from: collegeexpert72 on February 13, 2006, 05:58:51 PM
I keep up with kids that I take a liking to and that I help but it goes to show if you give to much credit to someone then you must be him oh grow up I just stating he's a good ball player.
is how someone writes, you can't help but feel as though CC is not performing an adequate enough education for its students.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 13, 2006, 07:03:15 PM
Mr.Bartelle what was so significant about exploiting Curry's loss to CSC without you. If you are trying to now rephrase your earlier post, what was as I said the point of you even mentioning that you did not play in CC's loss to CSC and your return bringing an undefeated record. Obviously you mentioned it for a reason. If this is your way of obtaining attention then continue to post (your past posts: "Inside sources", UCONN camp, "so called" compliments, AND1 basketball, D1 scholarships, etc), but remember St. Clair, Lamb, and all other great CCC players earned the attention they are getting. Anyways I look forward to watching this anticipated CC-GC game and hoping CC will continue their "undefeated record". I see CC is playing AMC tomorrow, college expert.....will the whole team be playing this time?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 13, 2006, 07:52:15 PM
Good Evening All,
I just would like to express this point on the topic of Mr. Bartelle:
Yes, he is a good player, with some game but watching him against WIT, I did not see a player who thinks me first btu a player who is very confident about his game.
As for the AND 1 thing, that is good that they would like for him to join but it's no big deal, I personally know of a player on WIT who is better than Bartelle in that AND 1 type of game but you would not know it because this player knows the distiction between "street ball" and "organized ball". I have seen this palyer drop 45pts easily this past summer (and yes, it is mind boggling to me why he does not do this for WIT but I am not in their locker room). My point is Bartelle would become a complete player in this conference if he could seperate the two, plus AND 1 is not going anywhere, he should focus on his education and the team and stop trying to grow up soooooo fast. Sorry so long  :-\
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Trueball38 on February 13, 2006, 09:35:54 PM
Well just to let the post board know MLamont was right about who i was I am James Bartelle and I play for Curry.  The reason I posted on here wasn't to start trouble it was to just reconize some of the things that i've done that I felt I didn't get credit for, but not looking at the big picture I didn't see that I was.  In a way I feel i'm still not respected but maybe that's something i need to earn.  I been through alot of things but it's no reason to come on here and write things that are going on in my program and my personal life.  I've had some good days and bad and most of you stood by me and some didn't but that's just the way some things are.  I do apologize for sturring up things and will never post on here again.  I don't know what I think sometimes my mind goes blank and I just do stuff out the ordinary, but this wasn't for the best of me it was the worst.  I guess I cry out and seek attention because i've been overlooked my whole life.  I fought to be where I am and proud to say i'm almost making it but i'm not going down the right road by doing this.  I respect my team and Coaches this wasn't to hurt them it was to make me feel like I belong in a certain group or discussions to be overlooked doesn't feel good but that's just somethings you have to deal with in life.  As for the game that we was discussion i wasn't putting down my team at all and I don't like for other people to think that I was it was just saying what was on my mind.  My team played their heart out without me and well with me and yea I was sick against Colby-Sawyer but i made the decision to take myself out so i wouldn't hurt the team i thought I could play but I couldn't, and made it up the other two games.  I'm not a bad perosn so don't look at me as that and we are a great team, but sometimes I just lose sight of things that are important for my own benifit.  Like i said before I'm sorry for the mess that I caused and if i don't play the rest of the year it's my fault i have to deal with that because it was my doing that brought this upon myself.  Keep doing what ya'll doing but i'm done.  One thing i ask though wish us Luck.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 13, 2006, 10:09:32 PM
Welp... not sure where to go after the Oprah Winfrey session.  I think we all need to take a deep breath (inhale) and let it out (exhale), now repeat 10 times.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 13, 2006, 11:25:46 PM
um.....ah.....after reading that last post I called my mom, and told her that I loved her.  I guess at the end of the day, basketball is not enogh.  Sometimes we just need hug. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 04:24:39 AM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 13, 2006, 06:29:40 PM
Does anyone else hate it when people refuse to use punctuation, proper grammar, and all around enjoyable writing styles?  Maybe it's just me, but when this
Quote from: collegeexpert72 on February 13, 2006, 05:58:51 PM
I keep up with kids that I take a liking to and that I help but it goes to show if you give to much credit to someone then you must be him oh grow up I just stating he's a good ball player.
is how someone writes, you can't help but feel as though CC is not performing an adequate enough education for it's students.

... for its students. It's is "it is" and not a possessive. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 14, 2006, 08:41:02 AM
Lets get back on track.  Here are tonight's games:

GC vs UNE
EC vs WIT
CSC @ NEC
ENC vs NC
RW @ SR
CC vs AM

The only game that looks like it will be close is the RW-SR game.  Other than that Who knows which ENC team will show up.

I say GC, EC, CSC, ENC, SR, and CC will win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2006, 09:47:02 AM

Honestly, I was pretty suprised that it turned out to actually be Bartelle.  I thought, as much as the whole ploy was strange and self-defeating, he actualy kept a pretty level head (before yesterday's discussion anyway).  I particularly remember when I took him to task pretty hard for not being a team player and he acknowledged that there may be some mental issues he had to get right with his game.  I'm not a fan of players posting on the board, but as far my experience with it has gone, Bartelle was one of the better ones.

I am glad to see he's decided to stay away for a while.  Although, I for one wouldn't mind hearing from him occasionally in the off-season.  I'm not sure if Coach Wynn is going to allow it (most coaches prohibit players from posting on d3hoops.com, which is in itself a testament to how popular these boards have become), but as long as the pressure of a season isn't in effect, I think it might be nice to know what's going on with CC over the summer.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2006, 09:48:14 AM

RWU-SRU is the only game with playoff implications (assuming the other favorites win).  It should tell us a lot about where we stand.  I can do full playoff scenarios after tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: buddy on February 14, 2006, 10:02:11 AM
OK, James, don't beat yourself up anymore, it'll be all right.  Just play hard for your team & good luck to you & your team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: truth-b-told on February 14, 2006, 10:21:46 AM
Good Morning,
I would like to start off with:
My JV squad won their 10th straight game yesterday, I'm very proud of them given, we do not have a player taller than a 6'2 freshman. This is high school and they paly the game the right way, hustle, heart, discipline and they have fun doing it.
Okay, opinion at hand:
Good for James to anti-up, now go get that W tonite. I would like to go on a limb and say that if WIT can get off to a GREAT start tonite and come with the intensity that they have shown for the last two games...
...we know EC has lost a couple and are at home tonite, and we know that EC is thinking, playing WIT is how to get back on track. If any WIT players are to read this: GET AFTER THIS, PLEASE!
No disrespect to EC but WIT needs this and EC is in the playoffs, so I'm rooting for the underdog. Go WIT!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 14, 2006, 11:54:01 AM
Did anyone else feel as though Bartelle was forced to write what he did last night?  It was almost as if his coaches caught wind of his posts, and gave him the choice of continuing his ghost writing, or playing college basketball.  It would be awful to think that our board some how contributed to a stellar CCC player being removed from his team, but it looks as though that might be the case.  Any who, we'll get to see if his "behavior issues" have any barring on his playing time.

I agree with Hoops about tonight's probable victors.  Although EC @ WIT can be interesting.  They held strong with CSC there this weekend, maybe that gave them a psychological kick to think that they can now hang with upper tear teams?  But for EC's sake, they need to win, and they need to win big.  They have been so down since before the GC loss.  I am not an advocate of EC by any means, but I do want to see a competitive 2006 CCC Playoffs.  And it just wouldn't be the same if EC was mediocre.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 14, 2006, 12:35:38 PM
24/7/365....I hope his posts do not lead to his removal of the team. It was just for someone to say that about their own team and give out info was just wrong, but from reading his apology I understand why wouldn't any player wamt to be the topic of discussions. I did not mean to put Bartelle out there, but I was tired of hearing college expert exaggerate and on top of that he made it obvious it was him (all I did was read his posts). Moving back onto to basketball....what's the possibility of WIT pulling an upset?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 14, 2006, 12:48:46 PM
I think WIT has a great shot of beating EC tonight.  EC hasn't shown well recently after losing a game.  After being throttled by Springfield, they received the same treatment from GC.  And after the GC loss, they scrapped a win together against NEC, and barely got by NC as well.   One can only imagine what a devistating loss at the Post Center will do to them as they go on the road now.  If WIT is to win, they need to get a massive lead, similar to GC, and force EC to hack away at it.  I think if EC can stay around in the late 1st half, or early 2nd, they will run away with it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 14, 2006, 01:48:59 PM
Are you crazy?  EC will not loose this game.  Yes, WIT hung in with CSC for 32 mins but not 40.  And they still won by 16.  This is a no brainer.  EC will take care of their business.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 14, 2006, 01:53:27 PM
After looking at GC schedule again, that win against NC was a lot bigger than I thought.  GC has not had a really close game in a while.  This was perfect timing for GC to have a high pressure game (in regard to the score) with playoffs coming up in a week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 14, 2006, 02:23:20 PM
No, I'm not kidding.  If EC comes out flat, I believe that WIT has the talent to stick it to them.  That is a big if, but much, much stranger things have happened.  I don't feel as though EC will lose, rather I think they will roll and get back on track.  But never say never.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2006, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 14, 2006, 11:54:01 AM
upper tear teams

Quote from: akirk on February 14, 2006, 01:48:59 PM
EC will not loose this game

C'mon guys, we're not giving CCC educations much play here.  Take a read over the words before hitting "post."

I wouldn't be suprised if Bartelle was told not to post, there are plenty of coaches that specifically bar it from all team affiliated people.  They ask parents as well as kids not to post up because they are too close to the issues and could get too involved.  We saw evidence of that here.  I know Wynn checks this  board, so he probably has a handle on what his guys are doing.

Tonight's games:

GC hosts UNE
EC hosts WIT
CSC @ NEC
ENC hosts NC
RWU @ SRU
CC hosts AMC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on February 14, 2006, 03:46:52 PM
YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY!  First off COY is Gordon's coach, got his guys playing well, toether, team oriented, and just a first class guy along with his assistant.  EC would be top 10 in the country if they had Plansky, instead they struggle to beat CCC teams.  POY is hard for me because I believe the POY should be someone that makes his team better.  I believe St. Clair is the best player in the CCC but his team is not the best, so it is difficult for me to say he is the POY even though he would get my vote.  ROY...have no idea cause I dont know any rookies.  If anyone wants to bet on the EC game ill take it for a million dollars.   You are all retarded if you think theyll lose.  If you look at the teams EC has lost too it has been decent teams (Springfield, Gordon, Curry) and look at those teams shooting percentages in the first half against EC.  The stats are rediculous.  EC gets everyones best game and they have for 3 years.  1-2 CCC losses a year seems pretty impressive, obviously except for this year.  And about the drunk EC fans...you do realize that we are college students????  Sorry we like to have a lil fun before we get into the real world.  Like Dukes fans arent absolutely slaughtered during their games.....what do you think they do while there waiting for the game to start?  EC by 20 tonight...Peace
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2006, 03:58:17 PM

Well we go from one posting player to another.  Good.  I'm sure this will end well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 14, 2006, 04:04:13 PM
Apparently EC fans not only go to games "slaughtered" they post "slaughtered" too.  I don't think any said EC is most assuredly going to lose.  Rather there is a possibility for a loss.  Just like in every game played every night.  An underdog can step up and steal one, we see it every year, this EC/WIT game is no different.  If they were at EC, then I don't believe it would be a question, EC would roll.  But when you go on the road, after losing a tough one at home, players heads might not always be where they need to be.

Top 10 in the country!?!?  Now we know you were at The Pickled before you posted.  Plansky is a good coach, yes, but his presence may have won them 1 or 2 more games, but they would be no more ranked than GC right now.

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.  Maybe you and Bartelle could act as accountability partners.  Just a suggestion... PEACE!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2006, 04:07:05 PM

Smites all around, but especially for you 24/7.  You seem sane and level-headed enough to avoid falling into those traps.  We have to ignore the wild ramblings and keep the level of discourse above board.  Someday these posters may end up with the occasional insightful post and we can all be proud.  Just look at what Roy is up to these days.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 14, 2006, 05:17:52 PM
Good Day Gentlemen, You all have been very open and honest about your opinions. The collective knowledge on this board is FANTASTIC (no pun intended)OK it was intended. Thanks for taking it easy on James and me too for that matter. I will not say much here accept there is so much more to coaching than coaching and believe it or not I really enjoy it all. The great thing about our passion for the sport,conference or team is that only time will tell if our efforts was worth the results. The really good thing is if things do not work out the way we want them to we get to try again. Yes hope does spring eternal. I'll check in with you guys at season's end.Go Teams Go, Not only a coach but a big fan.MCW
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dsd bag on February 14, 2006, 05:54:44 PM
Hey 24/7/365, just so you know EC is at home tonight against WIT and not on the road. So I think they will roll and get back on track tonight for their road trip on Thursday to CSC. They should have a good crowd behind them to get the momentum started back up for the last two games of the season and heading into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 14, 2006, 06:18:50 PM
My bad.  I saw akirk's line up that had EC vs. WIT.  When I see games set-up as such, I assume EC is away.  That being the case, EC will pull a Daunte Cullpepper and roll.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 14, 2006, 11:54:01 AM
Did anyone else feel as though Bartelle was forced to write what he did last night?  It was almost as if his coaches caught wind of his posts, and gave him the choice of continuing his ghost writing, or playing college basketball.

If so, that's pretty hypocritical, considering his posting position is hardly unique.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on February 14, 2006, 09:32:37 PM
Close.  Colby-Sawyer 84, New England College 82
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 14, 2006, 11:03:24 PM
GC over UNE 71-66.  Vogelzang for GC had 20 while Stickney for UNE had 23, 4-5 fromt 3pt land. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 14, 2006, 11:35:49 PM
EC over WIT, 83-73. game was tied at 35 at the half. from reports it sounds like it was a back and forth game til the end. EC shot 55% to escape their 21 turnovers. i guess y'all weren't impressed enough by the nostradamus like performance of 24 with the Curry pick, but now ya got to give some dap. not including the natty ice induced post from brethen over at EC, most of you scoffed at the notion WIT could hang.

Darko and Matty George were HUGE for EC, combining for 45, 19, and 13. Darko 24, 13, and 5 while Matty paced with 21, 6, and 8 with both shooting lights out from the floor. A good sign for Gull fans as the only chance of an EC run come tourney time rests on the hopes that Darko, and more importantly Geroge, play like the preseason CCC 1st teamers everyone thought they would be.

Todd Doyle probably locks up my vote for ROY with 18pts for WIT. This would give back to back ROY selections to WIT, albeit PB&J's selection is suspect at best.     

My boy Burgos showed some flashes of brilliance with 9pts and 3blks.

lets get some chattah going for Throwdown Thursday up in New London. #2 and a home play-off game are on the line. (hoops--the colby site says CSC needs a win over EC and another EC loss to move to number 2? which is correct)
plus, as it stands now i believe the 3 seed in the north will have to travel to Curry in the 1st round. ouch, indeed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 15, 2006, 12:15:02 AM
I think the tiebreaker between EC and CSC comes down CSC is 0-2 against GC while EC is 1-1. Although, Curry beat EC and lost to CSC, but I think the tiebreaker goes to the North opponents before the South. So if that's right, EC has the tie breaker against CSC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 15, 2006, 08:41:05 AM
While an EC/CSC match-up should never be scoffed at, this years meeting may be a little less intense as it has been in years passed.  I am not discounting either of these teams, nor am I saying that the game won't be competitive.  Rather I feel that both these teams are s-t-ruggling.  For CSC to only beat NEC by 2, and for EC to only beat WIT by 10, at home, is not the norm for these two ball clubs.

I'm not sure if it's the long season catching up with EC, or if their coach is finally feeling 1st year pressure, or if EC has plummeted back to earth, and is now playing to their actual capabilities, I don't know.  But whatever the reason is, they need to correct it quickly, because when next Tuesday swings around, their play is not going to be enough to make a three-peat run.

CSC is equally as difficult to figure out.  Here's a team that everyone thought would just roll.  They have the best player in the league, ever, and they maintained a core group of guys.  I, as well as most of you, would have never thought CSC would be teetering on the brink of 4 conference losses.  Again, their play right now could mean an early exit from playoffs.  It might be delayed if they receive a #2 seed, because they'll be at home.  But when this team goes on the road all bets are off.

GC is not without their woes as well.  Even though they are in the midst of a 15 game winning streak, it seems as though they have hit a wall.  Now they have become the target team in the CCC, earning everyone's best play, every time they take to the court.  But I find it hard to believe that everyone, before this streak, only brought their C game when playing GC.  It may be pressure, fatigue, contentment, I don't know, but whatever it is, I for one would like to see GC get back on their "blow out train" and have a few statement games before the season ends.  In saying that, a flat out win against CC would be a statement in any form.

Whatever the reasons may be for our top teams to a little lackluster, that does not negate the fact that two teams from the south are making a name for themselves, and may be forces to recon with next week.  I do not know much about either CC or SRU, but both have come on hard and fast these last few weeks.  The chatter about SRU has been very quiet until recently, and the CC talk has been mostly about off the court actions rather than their on court play.  I'm hoping we can get some good insight from CC and SRU fans before Tuesday comes and goes.  And hopefully we can avoid the player opinions.  The last thing, we as posters need is more drama from them dang players.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 08:52:59 AM

You're right with the tiebreaker.  It seems dumb to me to go from the top down, but what do I know.  To me losing twice to the #1 team is not as bad as losing once to a team below you in the standings.  I do understand why they do it.  Frankly it doesn't matter too much; the only thing it determines is where they play the conference championship if they both make it there.  I guess it also determines whether your second round match-up is at Gordon or at Curry, but right now neither one seems like a better alternative.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 15, 2006, 09:14:00 AM
 if i had to put a wild guess out there,i would say that both csc and ec thought tues nights games would be easy and looked ahead to the match up thurs night.  shows what can happen to any team and does alot..........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 09:22:13 AM
The rundown:

CSC 84 NEC 82.  This is a typically close game for NEC.  They were at home and usually keep games close at home.  I always thought this was because of the long drive most teams have to make, but I guess not, seeing as how CSC is like 45 minutes, tops.  Those young NEC guards can score, just imagine how dangerous this team would have been if Onyechi had stayed healthy.  Jaziri had 19, montrod had 17Vanjak and Quinn had 13 each and Sylvia had 11.  JUst as NEC was led from the backcourt, CSC's superior frontcourt kept them alive.  St. Clair went for 22 and 10, Thorpe for 18 pts of his own.  Truncilleto had 10.  CSC was up pretty big at the half because they took nearly twice as many shots and hit 7 threes.  NEC came back with some really great shooting in the seceond half and held CSC to only one from behind the arc.  NEC was 7-9 from three in the second half, while CSC pounded the ball inside to keep pace.  9 TOs for Colby-Sawyer to 16 for NEC.  Great game; I'm sure it was fun to watch.

Curry 87 AMC 51.  Good showing for Curry, which looks much better as all the other contenders struggled against lesser teams.  Adam O'Malley appears out of no where (literally, I don't think he's played since November) and scored 18 points.  Without him, I can't imagien how bad this game could have been.  Curry got 20 from Lamb and 17 from Bartelle (who didn't start together, yet again).  They also got 11 from Mohrin and 10 from Prescod.  It seems Wynn let a few of the bench guys start (seniors probably), but they all did quite well.  Curry is still not hitting the boards enough, something CC has always been known for in the past.  Not beating out AMC in rebounds is a problem, especially for the playoffs.  Lamb's rebounding numbers have been down all year, I hope for their sake he was just saving his energy.

GC 71 UNE 66.  Another close one here.  UNE just hung tough the whole game, as GC's outside shooting seemed to let them down.  Stickney had 23, lighting it up from long range; Oliver had 14 and McManus had 12.  Vogelzang led the way for Gordon, as the rest of the line-up struggled.  V went 8-9 from the floor for 20 points.  Kauffman had 14 and Marstaller 11; Herr chipped in 10 rebounds.  Both teams hit FTs and handled the ball well.  It seems like this a story of UNE having their best game and catching GC on an off night.  There were a lot of fouls from UNE and not too many from Gordon.  That tells me the UNE guys probably had to work harder for their production.  It was a chance at an upset, but Gordon held them off; good job all around.

SRU 75 RWU 54.  Well, I guess this tells us which RI team is playing the best right now.  Nice win for Salve, trying to land themselves a home game.  They will still need some help, however.  SRU got 31 and 13 from Walsh and 15 and 15 from Grendal as Salve continues their domination of the boards.  Coute had 18.  This team is really rounding into form at the right time.  RWU's big bodies again looked weak as Salve dominated the paint on both ends of the floor.  Paciorkowski, a little used freshman off the bench was the only RWU player in double figures with 12.  Just an awful day for RWU.

EC 83 WIT 73.  Another close call from a contender.  We're really trying to get our late season upset out of the way, but its no where to be found.  Maybe this is the year it doesn't happen.  Doyle had 18, Hall had 14 and PB&J had 13.  Marinkovic led EC with 24 and 13, George had 21 and 8 assists and Ellis got 10 points.  The 6,7, and 8 guys off the bench were solid contributors as well, very important to see for the playoff run.  EC committed 21 turnovers on 10 WIT steals, but the also dominated the boards and shot better, leading to the win.  It seems like WIT is not yet ready to put a 40 minute effort in against a top team, but the gap between the haves and the have nots is dropping with each season.  The CCC could get quite competitive very soon.

NC 74 ENC 67.  Another close one here too.  Lewis had 22, Vallee 14, Mercer 11 and Butler 10 for NC.  I know you'll all get mad at me, but I think Justin Lewis deserves a look for first team, all conference this year.  Marcellus led ENC with 20 points off the bench, Seaberg had 14 with 6 assists and Shields had 12.  Nichols has a lot of active big men, they had the whole ENC team in foul trouble and Jasmin fouled out in only 15 minutes of playing time.  ENC did well to stay close without him.  Nichols made 26 free throws and ENC only took 20.  That has been the story all year at ENC, other teams have won games from the free throw line.  Nichols is another young team on the move.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 09:49:26 AM

Playoff scenarios:

North
#1. Gordon clinches with any win or any EC loss.  Endicott can get it with two wins and two GC losses.
#2. Endicott clinches with any win or any CSC loss.  Gordon has this if they lose two and EC wins two.  CSC gets this with two wins and two EC losses.
#3. CSC has this locked up unless they win two and EC loses two, then Endicott would get this spot.
#4. NEC clinches with a win over UNE (I think NEC has the tiebreaker over WIT, but its sketchy) or a win over Salve and a WIT loss.  WIT can clinch with two NEC losses or with a win over GC and an NEC loss to UNE.

Basically, there are still questions, but most likely GC is #1 and NEC is #4.  EC just has to win one of their last two to get the #2.

South
#1. The winner of Thursdays game between Curry and Salve clinches.
#2. The loser of the RWU-Curry game clinches with a win in their last game (GC or EC).  Salve can clinch with a win and two RWU losses (SRU does not win a tiebreaker with Curry).
#3. Salve gets it by default, unless RWU loses twice, then it's RWU's spot.
#4. Nichols has this locked up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 15, 2006, 11:22:09 AM
In response to 27/7's post, the close games the past few weeks with GC, EC, and CSC don't necessarily mean that the top northern teams are weaker right now. Teams like WIT, NC, NEC, and UNE are going to be playing their best right now in search for a playoffs spot. Seniors are going to be playing their best (or in some cases their worst) for their last games. I've only seen GC, but I don't doubt that there has been sloppy play. But the fact that GC, CSC, and EC were able to beat who they should be, instead of being upset, just proves that they are in fact, the better teams.In response to 27/7's post, the close games the past few weeks with GC, EC, and CSC don't necessarily mean that the top northern teams are weaker right now. Teams like WIT, NC, NEC, and UNE are going to be playing there best right now in search for a playoffs spot. Seniors are going to be playing their best (or in some cases their worst) for their last games.

I've only seen GC, but I don't doubt that there has been sloppy play. But the fact that GC, CSC, and EC were able to beat who they should be, instead of being upset, just proves that they are in fact, the better teams.

Until Salve's Walsh can put up 31 and 13 on one of the top Northern teams, I think Curry is going to be the only threat out of the south. I'd still like CSC's chance of going into RWU or SRU and making it to the second round.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 11:45:12 AM

CSC-Salve seems like an interesting match-up to me.  Coute is a great player, but he hasn't been on form in more than four or five games all year.  Both teams have really top-notch front court players who can rebound.  Obviously, I think the CSC experience and depth will prevail, but it would be interesting to see what happens, especially after CSC has to take the longest drive in the conference to get down there for the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 12:20:40 PM

Before we can get to the playoffs, we have a couple more game days to get through.  Here are Thursday's games:

CC @ RWU - for first place in the South
ENC @ AMC - AMC doesn't want to go winless in conference
EC @ CSC - for a chance to keep hopes alive of CSC getting a home game
NEC @ UNE - for NEC to clinch their playoff spot
GC @ WIT - for GC to clinch first place

There's a few playoff implications here.  I pick, CC, ENC, CSC, NEC and GC in this one... no upsets yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 15, 2006, 12:33:50 PM
Hoops,

I agree with you.  No upsets tonight.  How often do the regional rankings update?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 12:36:15 PM

New rankings will be out today.  Will they take all day to come out like last week?  It's anybody's guess.  Pat should have them up on the front page or in the blog as soon as the are available.  Keep checking.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 04:34:28 PM

Rankings are out, Gordon is still #4 behind Amherst, WPI and Tufts.  They will have to hope for more losses to move up, I think.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 16, 2006, 08:30:50 AM
So what are everyone's thoughts on Gordon staying at #4.  I guess this ranking system is nothing like D1's system.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 16, 2006, 08:48:55 AM
Like Hoops said, basically the rankings are a reflection of the QOWI (however you spell that).  Because that didn't change between the four teams this week, it's only rational that the regional rankings reflect that.

Throw down Thursday is upon us gentlemen.  EC @ CSC square off and GC travels to WIT to hopefully wrap up the #1 seed in the North.  If DIII was televised nationally, it's a guarantee that these two games would be back-to-back with Nevada @ Idaho following for the Midnight game.

I think we'd all like to hear a little banter from both the EC and the CSC faithful.  Although we may need to be inebriated to understand what they're saying  ???.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2006, 09:17:38 AM
Tonight's games:

CC @ RWU
ENC @ AMC
EC @ CSC
NEC @ UNE
GC @ WIT

Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 16, 2006, 08:48:55 AM
If DIII was televised nationally, it's a guarantee that these two games would be back-to-back with Nevada @ Idaho following for the Midnight game.

You have to appreciate the d3 love, but I hate to break it to you, the CCC is still like the Sunbelt Conference of d3; even if it were televised, we wouldn't be getting any air time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 16, 2006, 09:29:29 AM
 i give a small edge to csc because play is at home, then again it depends on what csc team shows up.....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 16, 2006, 02:31:55 PM
Does anyone else feel a little shakey about GC @ WIT tonight.  It's WIT's Senior Night, and they are scrapping for a final playoff spot also.  GC had a close call at NC last weekend, and WIT is coming off a hard fought loss at EC Tuesday night.  I don't know what it is, something just rubs me wrong about this game.  Anyone else feel that?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 16, 2006, 02:43:27 PM
 funny you should say that...i felt kinda like that the other day but since i have thought abought it more, i think gc is really to good to fall into that trap...........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2006, 02:57:26 PM

GC matches up too well.  WIT's rebounders are undersized; if they were going to win, they would have to do it from the backcourt and GC is too good (even the post players can handle themselves away from the basket on D) for that to happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 16, 2006, 09:18:41 PM
GC continues their winning ways tonight with a 74-64 victory over WIT.  GC was lead by 22 from Kauffman on 6-9 shooting, Herr was right behind him with 21 of his own on 6-8 shooting, 46 from the arc.  WIT was lead by Bynes with 25 and 12.  The battle of last years Phenominal Freshman was lackluster as PB & J went for 10 and Marstaller had a measely 8 of his own.  It was GC's shooting that put them over the top tonight.  They were 58% from the field, 50% from the arc and a sensational 85% from the charity stripe.  WIT wasn't too shabby either shooting 46% from the field and 87% from the line. 

With this win GC finally wraps up the #1 seed in the North, and Saturday's game against CC becomes no more than a formality.  It will also be senior night so Beebe, Vogelzang and Hassler will all be honored.  The best part, however, is they know that they will be playing on their court for the remainder of the season.  This team has busted their butts all year and the reward of being 1st in the North/Conference is a tribute to that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 16, 2006, 09:44:35 PM
congrats to gc for a great year...well done and best of luck.....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 16, 2006, 09:56:09 PM
any result on the csc/ec game?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 16, 2006, 10:06:06 PM
Nothn yet from EC and CSC.  But we do have to assume that they have finished, b/c they've already posted the womens score from tonight.  So the mens should be coming up soon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 16, 2006, 10:20:39 PM
CC falls at RWU tonight.  No stats yet, but this was a big game for both squads.  Wonder how our boy Bartelle did?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 16, 2006, 10:33:02 PM
  csc over ec
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 16, 2006, 10:33:35 PM
75-52...convincing win for CSC, well done
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 16, 2006, 10:36:01 PM
Convincing is one way to describe CSC's win, Throttle-fest and Automic Bomb also come to mind.  EC has just fallen lately and no one seems to know why.  CSC is finally hitting stride at the perfect time.  This makes Saturday quite interesting for both these squads.  I LOVE CCC BASKETBALL!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 16, 2006, 11:53:45 PM
the bubbly is pouring out the glasses down at 255 grapevine! just a remarkable, huge accomplishment for the Scots program. Coach Schauer, his staff, the players....its simply amazing. i don't know about Bruce Pearl but Coach Schauer has my vote for NATIONAL COACH OF THE YEAR. NAY, COACH OF THE MILLENIUM. HA! that being said, obviously nothing besides a regular season crown has been captured and the most important basketball is yet to come. much work left for the Scots, but exciting times, indeed!

also, i will wait until hoops crosses the t's and dots the i's, but according to some calculations the loss by CC to RWU will make the #3 seed in the North have to travel to Curry for a 1st round game? If so, that is tough. i mean you can never tell which Curry team will show up....but they have proven when they are right (big if) they are top of the CCC and can beat EC and they beat CSC last year so in New London in the second season. So, EC's last game is huge as they need a win to stave off a 1st round road game (3 seed)

i'll wait until more reports come in from New London...but all i can say is whaaaaaa happend? 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 17, 2006, 12:21:10 AM
Actually, the Curry/GC game does have significance now, but for Curry.
If they lose to GC and Salve stays hot against NEC, then that puts both teams with 6 division losses. And since they split their head to head, the tie breaker comes down to CC is 0-2 against RWU and Salve is 1-1, so Curry could be going on the road the first round to either Endicott or Colby Sawyer.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 17, 2006, 08:48:50 AM
When do awards begin being handed out? 

I believe that the EC team we have seen as of late, is the EC team we were all expecting to see at the beginning of the year.  This EC team is desperately trying to keep their heads above water, and are doing a miserable job at that.  It appeared as though EC was unbeatable at home, it was their sanctuary.  But now with CC having gone in there and stolen one, and having WIT keeping them honest Tuesday, it's clear that EC has become vulnerable on the home front.  While they were only down by 5 at half yesterday, to be out scored by 18 in the 2nd is just jaw-dropping.  Yes it is difficult to win at CSC, but difficult turned into Mission Impossible yesterday.  RWU comes to Beverly tomorrow fresh off a quasi-upset of the streaking Colonels from CC, and this game has all the makings for a good game.  Both teams have many things at stake, but EC is playing for more than their playoff seed, they are playing for pride.  Since their 7 game winning streak in early January, the Gulls have gone 4-4, with the possibility of being 2-6 during that stretch.  Things need to change for EC if they are going to try and get that elusive 3-peat.

As far as the South Division goes, RWU clinched 1st with their win last night.  Standing at 10-4 in the conference, whether the win or lose tomorrow, they still hold the tie breaker against CC, even if CC is to win tomorrow and RWU loses.  If CC loses at Wenham and SRU wins against NEC, as dwebbs said, SRU holds the tie breaker by being 1-1 against 1st place RWU.  That then throws CC from a home court spot, all the way to 3rd place and traveling to either New London, or Beverly.  No matter what happens NC is still locked in at the 4th position, and they will be making the trek to GC on Tuesday night.

In the North GC controlled their destiny and held off a good WIT team last night to remain the 1st place team in the North, giving them homecourt advantage through out the entire playoffs.  If EC is to lose against RWU tomorrow, and CSC wins against ENC (which they will), CSC gets the #2 seed.  If EC wins however, it doesn't matter what CSC does because EC has the better record against GC at 1-1, thus giving EC #2 and CSC must travel as the #3 to SRU or CC.  I'm not sure, but I think WIT, NEC and UNE all stand at (4-12) in the conference, I think they have all beaten each other, so this makes for some interesting ties break scenarios.  But this will probley be thinned out more come Saturday.

Do you guys hear that, yup, I think it is... it's the playoffs baby, and they're right around the corner!
   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 09:25:42 AM

CSC 75 EC 52.  Well my prediction that Colby-Sawyer would get it together and run through the tournament and make the NCAAs is looking a lot stronger right now.  Not even I expected this kind of game though.  EC is just struggling.  I think a lot of it may be the new coach.  He got his team to play out of their minds in the middle of the season, but the whole system is just too knew for them to peak like the rest of the teams at this time of year.  They have the talent to still win, so we can't count them out yet.  St. Clair had 20 and Thorpe had 19.  I think its also taken a while for Thorpe to get back on form.  With two dominant big men again this year, CSC is looking very formidable.  I can't wait to see the rematch with Gordon.  Spanos had 12 off the bench for CSC as well.  George had 16 and Marinkovic had 12 fro EC.  24 turnovers killed Endicott; they have been coughing it up a lot lately.  They also didn't get to the line and couldn't hit their threes.  It seems like they were knocked off their game plan a little and never recovered.

GC 74 WIT 64.  Weonard Bynes got the start for WIT and went for 25 and 12.  I'm not sure where this freshman came from, but another good future start for WIT.  If they can keep these guys together, they've got a great core.  PB & J had 12 points.  GC was led by 22 from Kauffman and 21 from Herr; Vogelzang put in ten.  GC went 18-21 from the line and 8-16 from deep... ballgame.  GC got the ten point lead and just held it there the rest of the night.  Solid performance.  They are doing what they have to do to get to the NCAAs.  At this point, if they can beat Nichols in the first round of the conference tourney, I think they have their spot locked up.

RWU 76 CC 73.  I never would have expected this one.  Lamb went off for 35 and 7, absuing the young bigs for RWU, but he doesn't seem to have done much on defense as Baranger went for 24 and 12 of his own for RWU.  Bartelle and Prescod each had 12 for Curry.  Cormier had 15 (so he decided to show up for playoff time; that's nice of him) and Barrett had 13 for RWU.  Parrish ran the show with 9 points, 8 boards and 7 assists.  This team might actually be coming together and showing signs of who we thought they'd be early on.  They get the #1 seed and a much easier first round match-up.  RWU won the game on 9-19 shooting from deep.  Maybe we'll be lucky and Coach will come on to tell us his thoughts on why Curry let this one go.  Also, I'll be interested to know whether Tim Jones is taking a redshirt year or not.

UNE 73, NEC 66 (OT).  UNE taking delight in making it tough for NEC to clinch a playoff spot.  I'll run through the options in a moment.  Quinn had 20, Montrod 18, Jaziri 12 and Sylvia went for 10 and 11, but NEC is struggling hard without Onyechi and UNE ate up the boards.  Tom Button went for 18 and 18!! with Stickney adding 12 and 15!!  McManus got hot and put in 22, while Oliver got 10 points of hiw own.  If UNE had gotten this hot one game earlier, they would have had a shot at the playoffs.  REbounding made the difference, not much else to say there.

ENC 87 AMC 68.  No stats.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 09:37:50 AM

They hand out awards at the conference tourney finals, but I think voting is done after the last regular season game on Saturday.  Schauer is going to win coach of the year hands down.  I'm pretty sure St. Clair will win POY.  ROY is a toss-up, but it will probably go to Doyle (although I think Largesse and Montrod deserve consideration).

Playoff Outlook:

North
1. Gordon
2. Endicott (with a win or a CSC loss)
3. Colby-Sawyer (unless they win and EC loses)
4. NEC with a win or WIT if NEC loses

South
1. Roger Williams
2. Curry (with a win or a SRU loss)
3. Salve (unless they win and CC loses)
4. Nichols
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 17, 2006, 10:20:20 AM
wow. can WIT have more diaper dandies please??

i would like to give some dap to the RWU team and their coaching staff. to clinch the #1 seed in the south is quite impressive. many of us had written them off after the Gumb injury. And, from all indications, losing Gumb would be like a GC losing a Mike Herr or Endicott losing a Matty George. He might not have been as talented as Mike or Matt, but he was just as much an intergal part of his team as Herr and George are to GC and EC, respectively. So i'm impressed. i'm not saying they didn't feast of some bottom feeders of the South, but they did what they needed to do (sweeping Curry) and while their 10-4 might be a bit soft, it is still 10-4. Congrats.

i think this could be the most wide open tourney in a few years. we have a few teams (EC and CC) who you never know which team will show up, but when they bring their best they are very tough to beat. A veteran CSC team who is somewhat peaking (although beat badly by GC twice this season) and GC who is by far the best team (and hottest) right now, but no one on the roster has ever won a play-off game. Even this year I think a Salve or RWU (i know #1 but still i think) are darkhorses this year and could really challenge at least to the championship game where in one game anything can happen. I think its more a case of the North being down than it is the South being more balanced, but for the 1st time i can see the top six 6 seeds each having a legitmate claim to think they can win the CCC.

should make for an exciting second season.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 17, 2006, 10:30:48 AM
Hoops, We threw the ball away and when that did not work after being up 13 pts with 6 minutes to play we threw the ball away more. Try and try again and eventually you will succeed. Oh I forgot we were suppose to win the game. I must of gave them the wrong game plan. Well it's not my first mistake that I've made this year and the way things are going we want have many more games to play.(smile) Yes there is the good news of having Tim Jones for two more years. I would of rather had him this year with Raheim and Mike. Those two guys deserved better than what we were able to provide so far. I will never make predictions but if we are playing next week at this time that would not surprise me. All season long we have had the ability to do better however there remains two sides to the Curry coin if we are not playing next week at this time I would not be surprised by that either. Thanks for asking for my input after a game like last night this is therapy. I need it!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 10:37:57 AM

Thanks for giving us the update, coach.  Now you just have to figure out what to do on saturday.  Do you want to win and host CSC (probably) or lose and go to Endicott.  It's a tough one.  Although, RWU could beat EC and switch everything around.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 17, 2006, 11:00:15 AM
We want to win and host. Winning has always been the plan, we have the best chance on our home floor to extend the season. So it will be to our benifit to give GC a lost on thier home court. See how easy things are for us? What are our chances? Please don't answer that let a dying man have hope. I am going to pray and fast now up until game time. Have a good day. Coach
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 11:04:00 AM

I think you gotta get those big boys to hit the boards.  I have been quite unimpressed with your teams rebounding this year.  It seems like you guys always let weaker post guys put up numbers, when Lamb is perfectly capable of shutting a lot of those guys down.  You have enough offensive options that Lamb might not need to score 35, especially if he's putting in extra effort on the other end of the court.  It just seems crazy that you rarely have anyone at more than 6 or 7 rebounds.  Just my take on things; take it for what you will.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 17, 2006, 11:48:25 AM
Congrats to GC and RWU! 

I still don't think GC has put together a complete game (at least one that I have seen).  Hopefully they will be able to step it up a little more for the playoffs and the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 17, 2006, 11:51:48 AM
That has been a major problem for us all year. It's hard to answer the question of why we do not rebound better as a team or as individuals without it sounding like an excuse. I will start with Raheim you really have to come and see him play he NEVER takes any time off or gives less than a 100% effort. At times he makes things look easy but that is different then what people say. We are preceived to be very talented however talent and skill are two different things. Rebounding is a skill more so then a talent you have to be very fundamentaly sound and have the desire to go get the ball. we do more rebounding drills than most college or high school programs to no avail. Yes some players do have a nose for the ball so to speak they are the exceptions. Then you have a guy that is always triple team to do what he does is remarkable. The price we pay for that is if he misses chances are he will not get the rebound. He has not miss much as well. You would think that if three guys are on him we should be able to slip someone in for loose balls,rebounds etc. That has just not happen. Why? I think some players have gotten discouraged not getting the rebound and getting beat down the floor for an easy basket they start to play it safe and just hang back and watch. Some others get hit with ticky tac fouls and become shy. Whatever the reason you can believe those things will be addressed via the up comming recruitment class. Last night with the game on the line Marvin Lamarre goes up and blocks a shot 3 feet away from the basket great play. Two officials started running down the other way to get in position as we advanced the ball,whistle blows by Ken Marshall goal tending. Curry down two. Steve Prescod blows by his man lays ball in over rim Geoff B. slides over and under the hoop foul called by Ken Marshall. Offensive Curry down two. I wish not rebounding better was my only problem. We will get better there one way or the other Ken Marshall in big RWU games as a ref. Is something that I have to live with ............. priceless
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 12:33:37 PM

I'm sure there are a lot of things to improve on, the rebounding was one that suprised me, with all those athletic guys.  I guess you really can't teach guys to rebound during a season anyway, but it might be something to have them work on over the summer.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 17, 2006, 12:55:55 PM
I know I posted saying the CC/GC game this Saturday was still important for Curry, but it is actually more than a formality for Gordon as well. With the NESCAC going to have two teams in the tournament hands down (the division winner and another team), Gordon, with a win against Curry and a win Tuesday vs. Nichols, will push their QOWI ahead of the second team making the tournament out of the NESCAC, and should assure their spot in the tourney, even if they don't win the CCC.

So for Gordon to overlook the last game of the season because they already got #1 throughout, would be to shot themselves in the foot for the tournament should they not win the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 17, 2006, 01:11:25 PM
If CC doesn't rebound Saturday, they are going to lose.  Maybe that's a little too blunt, but I believe that to be the truth.  GC plays 100 times better at home, and they love going up big early as well.  If CC finds themselves down big early, and Lamb and collegeexpert72 are being limited, I think CC will go away and be content with traveling to Beverly on Tuesday.  Lamb scoring 40+ won't get them a win, especially if everyone else doesn't crash the boards while he's getting triple teamed. 

Again let me remind everyone, other than GC's win streak, this is the first time, ever, that the final game of the season for GC is truthfully meaningless.  If anything a win will act as a momentum booster going into the playoffs.  But a loss will do nothing but force GC to begin a new winning streak. 

But if one thing is for certain, you can count on the GC faithful being as loud, and as rambunctious as ever.  You think some GC fans don't read D3 hoops CCC posts?  Bartelle has set him self up!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 17, 2006, 01:13:52 PM
Wow dwebbs!  Way to restate what Hoops already posted.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 01:15:46 PM
Quote from: akirk on February 17, 2006, 01:13:52 PM
Wow dwebbs!  Way to restate what Hoops already posted.

Give him a break akirk, that post has got be burriedu nder 7 or 8 pages by now, but thanks for noticing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 01:37:50 PM

Well, time for the last regular season games:

SRU @ NEC
RWU @ EC
NC @ UNE
ENC @ CSC
CC @ GC

Only the Nichols- UNE game has no bearing on the playoffs; it should be a fun Satruday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 17, 2006, 02:16:52 PM
we have all said enough about the GC-CC basketball game, but i think we all know there is no way Coach Schauer takes this game off. thats a given. the only thing that might be different is Hassler will get the token start on senior day, for all that he has given to the program. i would be more than shocked if the GC players gave less than their best as well. this side of a herb brooks or bill belicheck, a coach never can really control what his player's mindsets are going into a game, but i would be more than shocked if the GC player's weren't out to win. it's a moot point really.

i loved coach's assessment of rebounding. so true. it's not all about hieght or talent. rebounding is really all about heart and desire. it is a skill that really can't be taught. you can go over x and o's about how the ball flight will effect which way the ball goes, and it helps to have soft hands or leaping ability, but ultimately its about desire. the only thing that surprises me is that Lamb is not a lockdown defender at Curry. At UMass i know he was guarding guards, but still he recieved accolades and awards for his defense. i would think this would translate into domination at the d3 level. maybe it is because he plays down low now, or the ref's are sloppy (not letting as much go), but i think there must be an underlying reason.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 17, 2006, 02:24:41 PM
Not to be a name dropper, but I talked to Schauer today in his office.  He was sitting in his chair, playing game tape of CC, and before I said anything, he began the convo with, "This team is good."  So Roy's assessment with GC not taking the night off ic correct.  For Schauer, and hopefully for his team, tomorrow night will be a statement game, that GC is more than capable of beating every single team the CCC has to offer. 

You think of GC's pride along side it being Senior Night, and this GC team is going to be as firey as we have ever seen them.  This team will refuse to lose, because they are not going to allow Beebe, Vogelzang and Hassler to walk out of their own gym with their heads down. 

I think this weekend might be the most controversional weekend ever in regards to playoffs, and playoff possibilities.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 03:04:37 PM

As of last night, Gordon was up to #14 in QOWI in the country.  A win over Curry would raise it, a win over Nichols will drop it a little bit, but then its all up from there so long as they keep winning.  I think they are getting very close to assuring themselves a spot, but they will need to win at least the next two.

CSC passed EC for second in the CCC at 90th and 95th nationally.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 03:32:28 PM
Just because the computers are slow at work today:

St. Clair is 36th in the nation in scoring (through Feb 12th) at 20.7ppg
McManus is 14th in 3pt% with 45.5%
Grendal is 26th in rebounds with 9.9rpg
Stickney is 42nd with 9.3rpg
Marstaller is 46th in blocks with 1.7bpg
Montrod is 2nd in steals with 3.7spg

Gordon is 5th in scoring defense, allowing 56.8ppg
Endicott is 15th at 60.6ppg
Salve is 19th at 61.0ppg
Curry is 31st at 62.6

Lot's of good defense in our conference (or lots of really bad offenses).

Gordon is 15th in scoring margin at +13.9ppg
Endicott is 26th in FG% defense (well below where they have been in recent years) at 39.6%
Gordon is 40th at 40.2%
Salve is 34th in 3pt% with 39.3%
Gordon is 38th with 39.1%
Salve is 43rd in rebound margin with +5.8 rpg
Gordon has the 15th best winning percentage at 86.4%
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 17, 2006, 07:23:12 PM
another interesting note about saturday

GC has a chance to have an undeafeated season at home. that is huge. the name of the front means awhole helluva lot more than the one on the back. these players need to be cogno. i mean i am sure they have shatterd whatever record existed for most consecutive home wins, but now these Scots have a chance to be rememberd forever. This team is on a roll that even better Scot teams in the future might not be able to match. granted we can all assume their win steak will end this season (hopefully in the 3rd round of the NCAA), but they have a chance for a perfect regular season at home, and down the road carry a 14 straight home winning streak into next season. That would truly make the Bennet a house of horrors, and give the PIT much reason to rejoice.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 18, 2006, 12:51:07 PM
LEEEEEEET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on February 18, 2006, 03:34:02 PM
Endicott over Roger Williams 82-71
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on February 18, 2006, 05:44:15 PM
Gordon over Curry 67-60
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 18, 2006, 08:59:44 PM
Just want to apologize for mentioning an official's name on this site. I was truly just trying to humor myself about something that was factual. As a coach I guess my words carry a little more weight. New posting policy no names no truth just make up stuff................. priceless or worthless you choose. Oh yeah I will say this the team that beat us today is good real good I wish I could use thier name but you know who they are #1
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 18, 2006, 11:35:06 PM
Well, GC didn't need to win tonight, but they most certainly did.  In the midst of GC's senior night, everyone from the fans to the seniors being honored was on their game.  Attending tonights game, one would have thought that CC was the team that locked up 1st place, and GC was tryn' save their season.  But we all know that was not the case.  I don't get this CC team.  They scored 14 first half points, not a miss print, 14 is correct.  They looked as though this game was bothersome to them, and that this GC team should have rolled over and played dead for them just being there.  GC topped that 14 points with 33 of their own to have a 19 point lead going into half.  GC was doing everything right.  From diving on the floor, to bringing the weak side help, they were refusing to lose tonight.

The 2nd half was much different as CC cut GC's lead down to as many as 5, but similar to the EC game a few weeks ago, the initial lead was too much to overcome.  GC did find themselves up by as many as 24 in the 2nd, but Lamb found his rhythm, and Mohrin, Jones and Prescod chipped in with a few of their own.  Bartelle appeared to still be mulling over what his new And 1 name will be this summer, because he was a non-factor.

Lamb lead all scorers with 19 and pulled down 6 boards.  Mohrin had 13 and Prescod was right behind him with 12.  Collegeexpert72 was only 2-5 for 6 points, all of which came in the 2nd half.

GC was lead by Herr who had 17, 4 of which came on two thunderous dunks which brought the house down.  He would have had another on a tip back, but the referees called offensive goal tending.  Kaufman pitched in 16 of his own and Marstaller did well against Lamb down low with 12.  GC was electric from the 3 point line again going for 44%.

While many people were worried that GC's streak was going to end abrubtley tonight, it is still well intact, and is looking forward to being extended Tuesday night when NC comes to town.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on February 19, 2006, 12:39:01 AM
I don't know about you 24/7/365.....but I felt as though Curry lost respectively. I would agree though in saying their first half performance was just plain awful (only 14 pts.....come on guys!!!). Curry played real well for only half the game, not much to say about their first half effort, other than they need to come together for a whole game. Gordon played extremely well and set the tone early. And as for Bartelle, I felt as though he was a factor, he hit a big 3 in the second half, but even though CC lost, that 3 in my opinion was what I thought a turning point. Whatever Coach Wynn told those guys in the locker room today at half-time needs to be said before a game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 19, 2006, 11:12:55 AM
I'm not sure Wynn said anything to his guys at half b/c they still found themselves down by as many as 24 in the 2nd.  Rather I think their manly hood was being challenged, and a team, of CC's capability, can not allow themselves to be railroaded. 

Bartelle's three being the changing point in the game... puh-lease.  The run had already been initiated by both Prescod and Lamb.  Bartelle's three's were counter acted on the other side as Kaufman hit two right after Bartelle let his two fly.  After watching him play, it's fair to say that organized basketball is a struggle for him.  I can definitely see him thriving in a one on one style atmosphere, not a team oriented environment.  That's probley why he comes off the bench too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 19, 2006, 03:19:18 PM
a little side note for anyone who cares....

Andrew St. Clair is currently at 1,978 career points (if my calculations are correct) making him 22 points away from a milestone few reach in college basketball and thats 2,000 points.  If he can pretty much hold true to his average and play a big game @ SRU tuesday that could be the night....

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 19, 2006, 03:46:36 PM
yah, st.clair is a man child. the 207 represent. 2,000 is quite a feat. it means you were really good for a long time. very consistent--basically all you can ask for in a player--to be consistent. and when you get the rare breed who is consistently dominant, bravo. pat, this better warrant front page on the site. i know it's play-off time, but c'mon. also how many career boards does st.clair have and where does this put him among the CCC greats?

fyi, matty george was lights out yesterday and that makes two back two back solid games. my opinion, but the only chance EC has of winning is for Matt to step up and play like a CCC POY. don't know if the gulls fans put down their pap's long enough to read the sunday paper, but this is great news for them to see Matt stepping up leading into the tourney.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 19, 2006, 06:06:02 PM
I want to give a little Nostradamos insight into Tuesdays games.  So if you will bare with me here as I try.

I think the team that can cause fits for their opposition, is a team that is rolling right now.  SRU is on a 9 game winning streak, second to only GC's 17.  In that time they have railroaded both CC and RWU.  Coute and Grendal are doing a great job with the inside/outside ball movement, and the roll players are showing up too.  Even though CSC seems to be hitting their stride at the right time, that drive to RI, to face a scorching hot SRU team, should not be over looked.  I smell a 1st round upset, even though SRU is #2.

RWU is at home against WIT.  I don't really care too much about stats or season schedule.  If RWU just plays their game, I believe their talent alone should allow them to coast to a 1st round W.  Even though WIT only lost by 5 at RWU a few weeks ago, RWU is getting great production from Barranger, while Cormier and the other Hawks are chipping in where they can as of late.  It might be a good game, but RWU will win no matter what the game flow is.

EC hosts CC.  This should be the main focus of the 1st round.  Just a few days ago CC went into the Post Center and stole a very valuable game from EC.  Roy is right in saying the EC will go as far as Matty George takes them, but it seems as though he shys away from the big games.  Or until EC finds themselves down by a considerable amount.  If George shows up, with Nemanja getting a double-double, Ellis stroken' the 3 and Corbett chipping in where he can, I think EC might be able to get a win on their own floor.  CC on the other hand, needs to play like a freakn' team.  I agree with many coaches in saying that CC has the best players in the league, they just suck as a team.  If these individuals can some how become one unit, they should blow through the playoffs and make noise in the tourney.  But if the CC team shows up that show'd up at GC Saturday... well, it'll be EC by 20+.  But if the good CC team comes through, we're lookn' at EC goin' 0-2 against CC on their home court this year.

Lastly GC welcomes NC to the Pit.  While many will shrug this game off as an automatic GC victory, let us remember that GC has never, ever, ever, ever, ever, won in the playoffs before.  I am with the masses in saying that they will win come Tuesday, but NC is more than capable of spoiling the celebration.  If the 3 amigos for NC (Lewis, Butler and Vallee) can play big, real big, on Tuesday, they can make that 3 point loss at their place look like anything but a fluke.  GC will have to counter with their phenomenal Soph. in Kaufman and Marstaller, with Logan and Vogelzang stepping up defensively.  But even if NC shows up, I still for see a GC walk away win.  And then I for see massive amounts of non-alcoholic champagne being popped.

Lastly the power ball numbers tonight are 7-10-46-55-83.


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on February 19, 2006, 08:38:13 PM
Greetings all, I am new to the board so please go easy on me.  I had to chime in as I keep reading stuff I don't understand.  What is this about GC never ever ever ever ever winning a playoff game before????  I was the statistician and official scorer for GC between 1987 and 1993 (I believe, if memory serves me correctly, GC joined the CCC in 1990) and I remember GC winning plenty of CCC playoff games.  In fact, during the early '90s when Anna Maria was the team to beat, it was typically GC who they were beating in the finals.  I remember scoring several GC playoff wins, even some at HOME too (I can remember us beating Salve at home for instance and others as well.).  I think in our first year in the conference we were regular season champs.  Anyway, it was a while ago, perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 19, 2006, 11:15:23 PM
Roy-

as far as st clairs boards, he currently stands at 965 (again assuming my calculations arent off, and i triple checked myself)
that means hes only 35 boards away from 1,000 rebounds another very impressive feat....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 19, 2006, 11:35:29 PM
wow. i am definately going to be rooting for the Saint to haul down 35 against Salve. 2,000-1,000 is Criag Smith esque. I think St Clair has been a bit snakebitten this season in the fact that it has been somewhat of a letdown year for CSC. they were expected to contend regionally (if not outside chance at somewhat nationally) but even with a CCC crown true fans would agree it has been a letdown year. Not the fault of St. Clair obviously as he has done what he does. i feel that his greatness, and more importantly his longevity, have been overshadowed a bit by the subpar season the team is having. he also isn't the most flamboyant player. basically my point is that while now he isn't recieving all the "pub" he deserves, 5-10 years down the road i think history will truly look back on him as one of the greatest to play in CCC, if not the new england region.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 20, 2006, 01:27:15 AM
Nichols did play GC well at home, losing by only three (five if you wave off the lay-up GC allowed with time running out), but I think Tuesday night's game is going to be different.

Nichols did have good inside scoring, but Gordon had one of their worst game shooting. They were out shot 34% to 42%, and still managed to win.

On the year, GC is averaging 51 FG% and a win margin of 14 points at home. And yes, this is the playoffs, and it's different because of the pressure. But in the pressure games this year vs. SRU, CSC, RWU, EC, and CC, GC is averaging 51 FG% and a win margin of 10 points at the Bennet Center.

Not to say that Nichols won't show up, by GC's home court should give them a definite advantage Tuesday, as well as the rest of their run in the CCC playoffs.

And lastly, what do you guys think for All Conference team? Hoops said already he thinks NC's Lewis deserves a look. Any other  input?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 03:11:18 AM
Quote from: roy_williams on February 19, 2006, 03:46:36 PM
yah, st.clair is a man child. the 207 represent. 2,000 is quite a feat. it means you were really good for a long time. very consistent--basically all you can ask for in a player--to be consistent. and when you get the rare breed who is consistently dominant, bravo. pat, this better warrant front page on the site. i know it's play-off time, but c'mon. also how many career boards does st.clair have and where does this put him among the CCC greats?

Every 2,000-point scorer makes the front page, assuming the school tells us about it and has a photo available.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 20, 2006, 08:21:52 AM
st.clair stats are.........1978 points.799 goals,377 free throws,135 blocks,202 steals,965 rebounds
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 09:02:35 AM
Oldtimer, I think they were reffering to this current GC team; none of the players have ever won a playoff game.  I'm not even sure if that's true (I didn't check), but that was a reference.

St. Clair has had one heck of a career.  I've been keeping those pts and rebounds counts up to date and 1978 and 965 is where I have them too.  He's already the CSC career leader in blocks and steals (even beating out Bray for that last one).  I have to say he's the most talented player I've ever seen in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 09:17:18 AM

Over the weekend:

CSC 85 ENC 70.  I was hoping St. Clair would go for like 25 boards, to get him back on pace for 1,000, but it was not to be.  He finished with 21 and 7, Thorpe continues to come on strong with a 26 and 9 performance, Butterworth had 17 and Bray had 11 on Senior Night.  For ENC, four players made double figures with Corey's 17 leading the way.  Jasmin had 13 and Seaberg and Jean-Noel each had 12.  ENC shot well, but CSC shot better, hit the boards and had 15 steals.  CSC got out to a comfortable lead and just held serve the rest of the way.  They are playing their best ball of the year right now.

EC 82 RWU 71.  Barrenger led the way for RWU with 16, showing that Marinkovic still has a ways to go in terms of defense against big post players.  Wooley had 14 and Cormier had 11.  EC was led by 29 from George, 13 from Corbett and 11 from Marinkovic.  EC rebounded like crazy and shot really well, but their defense was a bit off and they missed FTs.  Both teams had more than 20 turnovers.  Ouch.

GC 67 CC 60.  19 from Lamb, 13 from Mohrin, 12 from Prescod and Bartelle got shut down.  Herr had 17 for Gordon, 16 from Kauffman, and 12 from Marstaller.  Gordon had 18 assists as a team, which bodes well for their team play and ball movement.  I think Curry put on a fine show, once they found the rim and it was a good, solid game to close out GC's Senior Night.

SRU 68 NEC 55.  NEC needed this one, but they couldn't pull it off.  I could not find a box score anywhere, but I'll assume SRU dominated on the boards and put NEC away early.

UNE 80 NC 76 (2OT).  UNE finished the year strong, but they needed one more win to make the playoffs and they ran out of games.  Lewis was shut down pretty well, which is the obvious reason UNE was able to win.  NC got 26 from Vallee and 11 and 10 with 5 assists from Butler in his last game; another guy with a great career, but much less exposure and team success to show for it.  They also got 15 from Sturdhal.  Regis scored 24 for UNE, Stickney had 13 and 11, 10 and 10 from Button and 10 from Oliver.  Good performance from UNE, it's almost like they had something to play for.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 09:21:37 AM

Final Standings


North
1. Gordon 15-1
2. Endicott 13-3
3. Colby-Saywer 13-3
4. Wentworth 5-11
5. NEC 5-11
6. UNE 5-11

South

1. Roger Williams 11-5
2. Salve Regina 10-6
3. Curry 10-6
4. Nichols 6-10
5. ENC 3-13
6. AMC 0-16

It's been a while since a team went winless in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 09:23:36 AM
WIT @ RWU

vs

CC @ EC


and


NC @ GC

vs

CSC @ SRU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 09:26:10 AM

It stinks that Gordon and Colby-Sawyer ended up on the same side of the bracket, because they really seem like the two best teams right now.  In my mind, Salve is probably #3 and they are there as well.  For CSC to make it out of the tournament they are going to have to beat, probably the three best teams (besides themselves) on the road.  A tough course.  Ironically, RWU has the easiest path, but they seem like the top seed most likely to lose early.  It should be a fun week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 10:53:42 AM
So now we start the talk about All-Conference.  The season is officially over and I believe ballots are all in at this point.

For me, first team worthy players are:

St. Clair (CSC)
Lamb (CC)
Marstaller (GC)
George (EC)
Kaufman (GC)
Lewis (NC)
Bray (CSC)
Marinkovic (EC)
Stickney (UNE)
Coute (SRU)

Honestly, I take the top five in the first team and the second five in the second team and I'm happy with that.  St Clair is the shoe-in.  Lamb just made enough games to be considered (one less and he's inelligible).  Kaufman should get in as the #1 guard.  I think Bray and George are pretty even, but George has done more scoring and is a visible team leader, so he gets the nod.

The third team gets interensting.

I put Grendal on it because of the boards.  Barranger deserves to be here as well.  Then I have to go with Jaziri.  Butler and McManus will get consideration as seniors with talent; I think one of them will get on.  The final spot will probably be the rookie guard either Doyle or Montrod.  I could see Jasmin from ENC or Prezzie-Blue fitting into that team as well.  The leftovers from this group will make up the HM team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 20, 2006, 11:13:26 AM
Having home court advantage through out the playoffs, doesn't come with out a few draw backs.  As GC has been absent of home court playoff games in recent years, they have forgotten now that everyone, including students is forced to pay for entry.  While I understand this money does not go to the school, rather it goes to the CCC, it is still sucks.  At a school like GC, where school spirit is hard to come by in some arenas, forcing students to pay, makes it that much more difficult to draw a crowd. I do know that the avid fans will come Tuesday, both for GC and NC, this policy chases the "on the fence" fans away, back to the dormitory's.  Oh well... Go Gordon! 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 11:20:31 AM

If you don't have enough non-on-the-fence fans to fill the place, you built too big of a gym.

If you can't sell out a home playoff game at what $2 a pop?  There's still some trouble in your basketball program.

I know one year at one playoff game, the school president stood outside with singles, paying for any student who hadn't brought money to get into the game.  I'm sure there's some rich alumnus (maybe the one whose name is on the gym) who could pony it up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 20, 2006, 12:22:17 PM
hoops- you left Herr off any team? i'm assuming you jsut forgot. i would put him second team. third at worst. but he was a pretty consistent force for GC this year.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 12:28:35 PM

Yeah, but he was down from last year and plays a competitive position.  He can go in the mix on the third team, but he didn't stand-out this year and as the obvious 3rd player from the GC squad it might be tough to crack those top three teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 12:29:37 PM

You do have to take into account that I totally miss calculated last year; the teams weren't even close to what I predicted.  This year, I've tried to limit my own ideas and go with what I think the coaches will recognize.  Again, I have no idea what will happen, but it seems more in line with what to expect.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 20, 2006, 12:44:55 PM
Hoops, I am a little disappointed  right now.  Why am I the only one that has made predicition?  You are the "oldtimer" of this league.  Why have you not weighed in?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 12:57:12 PM

Shoot, ok.  I'm going to go with the upset WIT over Roger Williams.  Their head-to-head was at RWU and only a five point game, in which Doyle didn't even show up.  The WIT big men have been playing better of late and gave Gordon a good game.  RWU has been severely on the decline coming into this and they may even be looking past the Leopards.

I'm also going to go with the upset in the second game.  Curry over Endicott.  I know this is suprising, but their head-to-head went to overtime and both team have gone in the opposite direction since then.  Marinkovic can't do anything to stop Lamb and the GC guards have been coughing the ball up like its phelgm in flu season over the last couple games, which is easy pickings for the fast hands of the CC guards.  EC peaked too early and they are paying for it now.  I know this is a suprise, but I think it makes sense.  You might disagree with me, but my logic is sound.

Gordon over Nichols.  No problem here.  Lewis may go off and its Butler's last game, so they will be ready to play, but NC hasn't played defense all year; I don't expect them to start now.

Finally, I think CSC over Salve.  Sure the head-to-head was only 4 points in New London, but that was a month ago.  St. Clair and Thorpe are finally playing the way they did in November and the guards have decided to show up.  The inside game will be too much for Grendal, who has trouble with guys as tall as CSC's, not to mention as talented.  I don't think St. Clair will let them lose this one, especially with a shot at 2,000 points.

I don't want to predict what will happen in the second round until I know for sure who is there, but I've had this nagging feeling for about ten days that CSC is going to put it together and win the AQ.  I think a CSC over CC final isn't out of the question.  I'm not counting Gordon out, but I just can't escape this feeling.  It's gut call right now.  We'll see what happens on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 01:25:35 PM
CCC on the front page.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 20, 2006, 01:46:50 PM
Gordon on the front page.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 20, 2006, 02:02:36 PM
What's better?  CCC playoffs or Christmas?

Yes, Mr. Grey.

Um... I think... CCC playoffs?

That's correct!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 02:15:18 PM

Nice to get a mention, although in the past, the CCC has choked every time they get a team some national exposure.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 20, 2006, 02:35:09 PM
Way to pull out the Debbie Downer card there Hoops.  Hopefully GC want follow EC and CSC in their losing ways after being nationally recognized.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 02:37:44 PM

The truth doth hurt too much at times.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 20, 2006, 04:55:06 PM
is this heaven? no, its d3hoops.com


tears in my eyes i guess when Mike Herr (will be 2nd teamer) and the Scots grace the front page. unbelievable. i know they were on it this summer, but this is special. pat can you frame this for me?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 20, 2006, 11:40:48 PM
Well it has been a long time after last week I was confussed and thought that this was a board FOR players and coaches, ha.  Well after some research and some thinking, here are my first round picks.  I am not going to give scores but I will give margins, anyway here they go.

GC over Nichols, by 12+
.  Gordon is the better team even though Nichols gave them a good game a week ago, but that was a Gordon team that was comming off a three day break.  In addition to being a little rusty, Logan had just returned and the team was not fully accustomed to his presence in the line-up.  At Bennett I think Gordon will handle them fairly easy, there should be a big crowd and they have played much better at home than on the road.  The last and most important reason why I have to go with Gordon is they know that if they win this game it basically assures them a spot in the big dance, to come this far and not take care of business is not something I see happening.

EC over Curry, by 8.  I know that people are picking this game as the upset but I just don't see it.  The CC team I saw the other day was a collection of good players, but was a bad basketball team[/b].  I know EC lost to CC a week ago but that is an even bigger reason to pick them.  I have a hard time picking against EC when they are out for revenge, especially at the Post, which will be buzzed and roudy for sure.  This will not be George's last game mark my words.

CSC over SRU, by 3.  This Salve team is the second hottest team in the conference I know, but CSC has a nice little streak going, they have won 11 of 12.  And as for this Salve win streak, during the 9 game streak they played NEC, UNE, AMC and ENC twice, not exactly the class of the league.  In a close game I always take the team with the most experice and the is no doubt CSC, not to mention they have the Conference's best player in St. Clair.  Believe me i would much rather see Salve travel to GC on Thursday, CSC is very good, playoff tested and not to mention beating a team three times is always tough, but I just don't see Salve winning.

RWU over WIT, by 5.  WIT is a good team but they are a year away from winning a playoff game.  RWU will use their home court advantage and win, though not with out a scare.

GC over NC
EC over CC
CSC over SRU
RWU over WIT

RWU over EC
GC over CSC, in the real CCC championship game.

GC over RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 21, 2006, 12:46:18 AM
I agree that EC should beat Curry tomorrow night. However, I don't think it's an automatic V for the Gulls. EC had just as much pressure on themselves when Curry came to the Post last week, since they were at the time, tied in conference record with the Scots. EC still got down by 19.

This is different because it's the playoffs, so it's a different kind of pressure than any regular season game. And lately, you have to like EC at home. I just think there is a chance Curry pulls off another one in Beverly.

And in that event, I would have to disagree and say that Endicott makes it to the CCC finals over Roger Williams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 21, 2006, 08:19:23 AM
So confused after that post dwebbs.  If EC wins tonight, they don't play RWU in the Ship, they play them on Thursday in the semi's, at RWU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 21, 2006, 09:00:38 AM
I think it will be a tough game in Ri, but CSC will pull it off by about 5 points.  Which leads me to the big semi-final game between Gordon and CSC, (hopefully both teams will be there).  CSC by 7 points.  Why?... Gordon is better, but to beat a team three times in a season.  Even when CSC wins Gordon should hopefully get an at large bid..which is an amazing task in itself. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2006, 09:15:47 AM

I'm glad to see a GC guy with at least realistic expectations.  The first GC-CSC game was 18 points while CSC was playing some of their worst ball of the year; the second game was 7 points while GC was playing great basketball, so I see this one being a one or two possession game with both teams at their best.  Despite all the success if CSC shows up and plays their best, they will win this game.  Of course, they have to get by Salve and Nichols first to even get there.

The reason I hopped the CSC bandwagon is that the big guys are actually playing right now.  With both St. Clair and Thorpe being scoring and rebounding threats, it presents a tough inside match-up for anyone in New England.  CSC has been pounding the ball inside of late and if they keep that up, they should be able to run over Salve and beat up Gordon.  Also, I feel that this CSC team with experience and inside talent have the best chance to represent the conference well in the national tournament and getting more recognition for the CCC is most important to me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 21, 2006, 09:34:54 AM
yes csc guys are playing better but,can they take it to gc...i just dont know,alot depends on what team shows up to play. anything can happen in the playoffs so thats also a factor as to who gets there.most of the teams can step it up..tried to get a choice for poy and roy but just cant get a clear cut person in both of them..could this be co poy and co roy ????
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2006, 09:42:06 AM

Were you really thinking someone other than Andrew was going to win POY?

I can certainly see rookie being split as Doyle seems to be the favorite, but I think Montrod is probably the best freshman out there and Largesse makes a good case as well.

I just don't see who could be considered POY alongside St. Clair?  He has been the best player in the league for four years now and he single handedly held the season together while the rest of his teammates were trying to give it away.  To me there's no contest, but then again, what do I know?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 21, 2006, 09:42:16 AM
Let's stick with tonight's games and not talk like GC and CSC have already won.  Anything can happen in a single elimination tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 21, 2006, 10:13:22 AM
hoops fan.........hope you are right..we will know soon.leaving for RI now to see the game and hope to be going to csc games all week..as akirk said anything can happen in a single game elimination tournament..........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2006, 11:07:09 AM

The only thing that worries me is that drive down to Salve from New London.  I hope they got some roomy buses so the legs don't stiffen up too much.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 21, 2006, 11:45:36 AM
You'd have to look back pretty far to see the last time a CSC team had to travel for every game in the CCC tournament, so that new playoff feel might hinder them a little.  And I don't think SRU is going to roll over tonight, they have a shot at ridding the CCC playoffs of the most savvy group of veterans the league has to offer.

Yes CSC is good, and yes that GC 18 point victory was not a true indicator of the CSC talent, but the game GC/CSC played at New London was two good teams going at it.  GC was hot, but CSC had just run off 6 straight themself.  It was also CSC's alumni/homecoming week (whatever) so they had a large CSC contingencey which GC weathered to get the 63-56 win. 

I know CSC is the more seasoned team, and they have as much post season history as any team in the nation, but the changing of the guard is a natural evolution in basketball.  As GCOldtimer told us, AMC used to be straight nasty, not really the case anymore (0-16).  Granted I need to see GC beat CSC one more time for that change to happen, but I don't think that would be too large of a feat for the GC guys. 

As a fan, I would love GC to have to go through CSC and EC, just to make their Championship that much more legite, but a Championship in general would make all my wildest dreams come true. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2006, 12:03:34 PM

AMC used to be stright nasty because they had some sketchy academic practices that it took the accredidation committee several years to find their way to the backwoods and correct.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 21, 2006, 12:22:46 PM
If you're not cheating, you're not trying!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2006, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 21, 2006, 12:22:46 PM
If you're not cheating, you're not trying!

It's not cheating until you get caught, then its just a mistake.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 21, 2006, 12:37:19 PM
Exactly!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2006, 12:47:11 PM

It's like wearing shoes the same color as your out-of-bounds lines to keep the refs from calling a foot on the line too often.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 21, 2006, 04:01:31 PM
whoa, whoa......whoa.... easy there hoops fan.  The first joke was good, stop while your ahead.


AMC used to be straight nasty, not really the case anymore (0-16). Granted I need to see GC beat CSC one more time for that change to happen, but I don't think that would be too large of a feat for the GC guys.

So, are you saying that Gordon will be straight up nasty if they meet CSC in the Semi's and win, or that CSC will from now on assume AMC role of losing many games.

Solid deductions....

anyway the year that amc went to ncaa sweet sixteen, guess who beat them by 20 pts.  Oh yeah, get on up you crazy fighting scotts...and by the way anybody remember a kid hayes murray.  That kid was good at bball, and a really good runner.  One time I raced him in a sprint and he won, and then Gordon got a banner, but they didn't want to hang the banner cause that was stupid, so they gave him a trophy and it's in like one of those twenty trophy cases when you walk in the bennet center.  Hayes Holla
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 21, 2006, 04:35:55 PM
Um no, that's not what I was saying.  Rather, basketball teams and basketball programs tend to go round and round.  Teams, like AMC, have great runs for a few years, but then recruiting goes down, a coach leaves, blah blah blah, and they end up 0-16.  CSC, while not near an 0-16 record, may not be the powerhouse they once were.  Now, that's not saying they will lose tonight, tomorrow or saturday, if they get there, but there are new teams stepping up, GC being one of them.  I like GC this year, and in the years to come.  But, we're in the current year, so lets stay focused on that.

Anyone else find it wierd that all 4 games are in centralized areas.  RWU and SRU are in RI, however many miles away.  It's RI, you're only like 5 blocks from each corner.  And then the other two games are at EC and GC, only 10 minutes driving distance.  Just interesting is all.  In light of this, I think we should play the 2nd rounds tonight.  Tell me that as fans you wouldn't want to see that.  Sign me up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 21, 2006, 09:30:43 PM
RWU loses???

Gordon by 1???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on February 21, 2006, 09:35:41 PM
GC, 77 NC, 76 Wow...how does this team stay so close to GC?  Nichols lead by 10 at the half.  This was almost another one of those "where have we seen this before?" games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 21, 2006, 09:38:47 PM
Nichols led by 14 with under 10 left.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on February 21, 2006, 09:41:45 PM
Colby Sawyer wins
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 21, 2006, 10:20:02 PM
EC rolls, I forget the score but EC had it all the way.

CSC handles SRU as well.

RWU is a freakn' joke and deserves to be voted out of the conference, WIT won too.

I am going to refrain from talking about GC until tomorrow.  I have no energy left and my emotions are at an all time high.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on February 21, 2006, 10:36:26 PM
Wow, GC by 1...A W is a W but that is to close for comfort.  I'll be interested see to hear from some fans at the game.  Sets up a good Semi with CSC (i think...?).  Beating CSC 3 times in a season is a tall order for any team, but I think GC can pull it off.  I'd like to see the EC/GC rubber match on sat!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on February 21, 2006, 10:42:39 PM
Checked the GC website...GC was down 5 with 26 sec left.  Herr hit a three and was fouled, bringing the scots w/ in 1.  Marstaller stole the inbounds pass and scored with 5 tics left to give GC the win...The pit must have been rockin.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 22, 2006, 12:23:14 AM
in the EC win matty george went for 30
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 22, 2006, 12:28:05 AM
Nichols actually got the inbounds pass in. I think it was Vogz that knocked it out, and Marstaller made a lay up with 12 seconds left and running. NC missed a shot and there was a loose ball. It turned out a jump ball with GC getting the pos. with .7 seconds left.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 22, 2006, 03:01:33 AM
WOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAOOOW!  I can't believe what I just saw.  Do you believe in miracles, YESSSSSSSSS.  Bird steals the ball underneath to DJ and he lays it in...oh my this place is going crazy.  Those are some calls from some of the greatest sports moments ever, but for me in my life, this was the greatest sporting event I have ever seen live, no, ifs ands or buts about it.  I have spent the last few hours talking about this game and watching the tape with Mike Herr and some friends and it still has yet to sink in for real, but here is a pretty good account of what happened during a college classic.

Nichols played a hell of a game and GC absolutely did not deserve the win they absolutely stole (pun intended) from the Bison's.  The game went back and forth during much of the first half, but about 6 minuets before halftime, Nichols began to pull away and at the break Nichols led the Scots by a score of 37-27.  At that point I was having serious doubts about our fate and was just thinking we came all this way and won all these games and we are down 10 at the half.

The two teams came out for the second half and GC cut the lead quickly to single digets, but Nichols came right back and the lead stayed constant in the 8-12 range with both teams trading baskets back and forth.  Nichols made a mini run and with 8:50 to go they had a 14 point lead.

Gordon then got down to business and went on a 5 minuet blitz, they hit lay-ups and three pointer got some good stops on the defensive end, including 4 or 5 huge blocks by Herr and Marstaller.  Mike Herr ended the run with a little over 3 minuets left by drilling a three from the wing, which put GC up 61-60.

Nichols came right back and got the lead back to 6 and the teams traded baskets until GC earned a couple trips to the line and had cut the lead to a couple, then Vallee fouled out and in came LaTorra.  LoTorra earned a trip to the strip and nailed both shots and putting Nichols up by 4.  After a basket by GC, LaTorra came down the other end and hit a HUGE 3,  GC went down the court scored and then Nichols answered back with a lay-up, to put the lead at 5 with 24 seconds to play.  At this point the game, in my mind, was over.   Nichols had been money from the line and Gordon was gassed from the come back and I thought they were going to come up short because they spent it all on the come back.  But boy was I wrong.

Gordon calmly ran down the court and ran a play for Mike Herr, he ran off a double screen and drilled a three pointer while getting absolutely pounded by a Nichols' defender.  Herr sank the free throw with 17 second making the score 76-75 Nichols.

Nichols in bounded the ball with 17 second left and Vogelzang poked the ball out of Casey Butler's hands right to John Marstaller who quickly banked the ball in putting Gordon up 77-76.  Nichols quickly in bounded the ball with 9.8 ticks left,  and brought it down the court the drove to the bucket and got off a descent back shot that came up just short, players hit the floor fighting for the rebound and the reffs called it a jump ball with the possession arrow in GC direction.  With 0.7 sec left Gordon got the ball in and the rest is History.

As for the numbers Nichols was lead by Lewis with 16, Butler had 15 and 9, Sturdahl 13 and Vallee had 12.  GC had four players in double figures and was led by Kaufman with 24, Marstaller with 18 and 10, Herr with 15 and Logan with 10.  Check the box score for the rest, this has been long enough.  We are working of getting some footage of the game on the web so if we do I will post again.

Lastly GC fans were amazing, they were into the game the whole way even when things looked bleak, tonight the PIT showed they are the best fans around, and there are no challengers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 22, 2006, 03:02:43 AM
sorry about grammar and spelling it is 3:00 in the morning and I am a little tired and forgot to spell check.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 22, 2006, 03:10:27 AM
words can't describe tonight's Gordon game. tapes are being forwarded to ESPN and college game day gym gems. honestly, i wouldn't be surprised if it makes it. this game was epic.

it started off with all the makings of a monumental upset. you had Nichols playing confident and much the role of David, while Goliath was playing tight. Gordon was forcing the action, playing average defense, and Nichols was fired up. being down 10 at half wasn't even the worst, as things were ugliest with 9:37 left and GC down 14. GC went on a 15-2 run (fueled by a block party on defense) to take a 1 pt lead, but Nichols got it back and the game was tied at 71 with just over a minute. Latorra hit a three for Nichols, Kaufman tried to answer, missed, and Gordon tried to play D, gave up two, and was down by 5 with :26 left. Inexplicably, a Nichols defender ran at a Mike Herr three from the corner, completely wiping out Mike. An easy call for any referee. The ball sailed high into the air (it was weird you saw Mike get cleaned and heard the whistle and still had time to find the ball as it just seemed to hang in air sailing high and falling) then came down bang-swish, and like someone just turned on a switch it sent the PIT into the biggest frenzy i have ever seen. Herr hit the foul shot, a 4pt play ala Jason Williams v Indiana in 2001. 18 or so seconds left and Nichols inbounded. two things struck me about this play. first of all, basically only one Nichols player was on his side of half court, trying to take the inbound. second, Aaron Vogelzang didn't foul right away. He went for the steal, reaching around and popping the ball out to Marstaller who was retreating from guarding the inbounder. Marstaller grabbed it, and drove it straight to the rack, banking in a line drive runner. 77-76 Gordon. Nichols then inbounded, didn't call timeout (not sure if they had any) and pulled up for an 8 footer and the win, front rimmed it, and there was a mad scrabble for the rebound on the floor under the hoop. eventually a tie up was called. Gordon had the arrow and inbounded to Logan with .7 left and the clock hit zero before Nichols could foul.

If this locks up an at-large, they more than earned it. either way, all of us are just happy to play another game and keep the CCC championship dream alive.

also, a legend like Hayes Murray never dies. Please be cognizant.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 22, 2006, 03:22:01 AM
after the GC euphoria i caught the second half of EC-CC. game was a blowout when i got there. Curry got it 10 with about 8 left, thanks to three bombs from Bartelle (off the bench again) but that was about it. no real threat. EC looked good, Matty George was unconcious. Nemanja was running alot of point forward as well, helping Ellis advance the ball against the quick Curry guards. Lamb was off in the second half, getting bumped alot inside. Just couldn't get his shot to fall. the "endicott" referee (and i say this as politely as possible but this guy works many EC games and clearly favors the Gulls with his calls) made some spotty calls, but nothing to deter the outcome. CC was beat plain and simple. interesting to hear what coach has to say. sad ending for Lamb---Curry just never lived up to its talent. Although we have said before talent is a dangerous thing. it doesn't always equal success.

PB and J hit a last second shot for WIT 1.2 left. Must have been something in the air tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 22, 2006, 08:21:31 AM
Well now that GC got that game out o the way, it is time to roll thru the rest of the tournament.  I have to say they couldn't just make it easy.  Let's just hope that they are over the "we haven't won one yet" mentality and play like we all know they can. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 08:54:33 AM

Well, sounds like things were pretty crazy last night.  I'd like to say "I told you so" about the RWU game and apologize to Endicott for doubting.  Also, (and I want answers to this one), do you all believe me that Nichols could be a decent team over the next two years?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 22, 2006, 09:14:52 AM
Wow, that's awesome for Gordon to pull off a W in last couple seconds of the game, in their own gym.  Congrats.  That W showed some real team composure that you hope for out of a good veteran team.

The North wins and, what, what's that, oh yeah all the teams in the south lost.  My point...the North is usually better and the CCC should be ranked by one conference not the North/South.

Gordon is in a difficult situation.  They are the best team in the league, with the record and W's against solid teams to prove it.  However, the pressure is on them.  CSC is supposed to lose thursday night and Gordon is supposed to win.  Does the "we haven't one yet mentality," pose a problem.  Yes, because they are facing a CSC team that could be possibly finding their chemistry with a couple good players to back it up.  The other harsh fact, if we can handle the truth is,  "if Gordon loses Thursday night, it means they choked".   Are they the better team?  Have they beat good quality teams?  Are they ranked higher?  Yes. Yes. Yes.  Then if they lose.............    However, CSC has choked their share also.  I am just throwing out a point, so after CSC wins at Gordon...Please don't blame it on the refs, or mentality, or whatever...

Gordon is not used to it, sometimes when your number one you get caught up in defending the top spot instead of going on the offensive.  Playing not to lose instead of playing to win. 

Gordon should hopefully still make the NCAA, and that's the only hope for having two CCC teams represent in the tournament.   

Good luck Thursday Night.

My pick is CSC by 5
Endicott by 20

Then CSC by 3 in the championship.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 09:18:32 AM
We got some good reports from Wenham, but not too much from anywhere else.  I'll do a brief rundown:

CSC 63 Salve 48.  St. Clair went for 18 and 9 with 4 assists and 3 steals, Thorpe went for 10 and 9, Fouriner and Bray had ten a piece as well.  CSC got out to a 9 point lead at halftime and just extended it throughout the second half.  Rego led SRU with 13 off the bench; Coute had 10 points and Grendal had 10 rebounds.  Salve needed Coute to step up and CSC shut him down.  Good news for Gordon: Thorpe shot 1-7 from three, but other than that, a good CSC win.

EC 67 CC 49.  Again, as we predicted, Curry couldn't hit the boards and EC dominated.  Lamb had 10; Bartelle had 16 for Curry.  EC was led by George's 30.  EC picked up their defense and limited Curry's shooters.  EC also got to the line and hit free throws.  Now they have to deal with Wentworth for a return trip to the conference finals.

GC 77 NC 76.  We've heard all about this one.  16 for Lewis, 15 and 9 for Butler in his last game, 13 for Sturdhal and 12 for Vallee; Baskerville had 6 assists off the bench.  For GC: 24 for Kaufman, 18 and 10 for Marstaller, 15 for Herr and 10 fro Logan; Vogelzang had 6 assists.  GC didn't hit as many threes as they would have liked, but they got the points when they needed them.  GC scored 50 in the second half.  Nichols showed how good an offensive team they can be.

WIT 68 RWU 67.  PB&J hit a three with 1.4 seconds left to give WIT the win.  Do you realize that every South team lost?  Just crazy!  PB&J hit his three about ten seconds after Parrish hit a three to put RWU up by two.  This one might have been just as exciting as the GC game down the stretch.  You can't ask for much more in the playoffs.  Prezzie-Blue went for 26 and Doyle had 14; Frankie Hall had 7 assists.  For RWU Barranger went for 22 and 7 and Cormier had 18.  Parrish had 5 assists and 4 steals.  Billy Barrett had 7 assists.  RWU only took 6 FTs the whole game.  This was just a crazy one, but I knew it would be.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 09:21:32 AM

So what's the outlook for Thursday?

CSC @ GC.  After last night's game, I have to pick CSC, although it will be closer than last night's games suggest.  Salve played just awful basketball, so CSC's win was not as impressive.  Nichols fought hard, but exposed some GC weaknesses.  You can believe Foti had somebody scouting that game at Gordon and will be ready for it.  I think St. Clair and Thorpe are ready to control Marstaller.  This game will come down to how well the CSC perimeter defense can handle the GC backcourt.  Great game.  I can't wait.

WIT @ EC.  WIT is going to have the big letdown after their upset win.  The wrong RWU team showed up and didn't play defense or pound the ball inside.  EC will do both and do them well.  I can see a 15-20 game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: TheFence on February 22, 2006, 09:24:48 AM
From a national perspective I really hope Gordon wins this tourney.  I just couldn't deal with 2 CCC teams in the Big Dance and I think with the flawed system in place Gordon has a chance to get in as a Pool C. I can't be sold that Gordon is one of the top 18 Pool C teams but the committe probably will force it upon us.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 09:31:05 AM
The NCAA has never proposed to get the 18 "best" teams into the tournament.  All they claim to do is get the best teams in each region to the tournament.  It's the equality that comes with d3.  If you do well in your region, you get rewarded.  Yeah it stinks for middle-of-the-road teams in stronger regions, but if a NE team had to go undefeated every year to get in (which Gordon et al) would have to do, what incentive is there to compete in d3?

By the way, if CSC gets in by winning the tournament, there are a lot of schools around here that will be very afraid.  CSC has played even Amherst real tough with the same personnel over the last few years.  Gordon is at least good enough to compete with the Pool A teams from the E and NE.  It's not like Elmhurst would get placed in this bracket anyway, if they got the spot.

D3 is not like d1 and too many people are trying to make it that way.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 22, 2006, 09:32:39 AM
CSC has the best player, EVER, in the CCC, in that of The Saint.  They have one of the most storied programs, EVER, in the CCC. And they were preseason #1.  Yes GC is #1 in the North this year, but this CSC team is a lot like the Pittsburgh Steelers this year.  Even though Pitt was a wildcard, and struggled for most of the year, everyone knew that if they hit on all cylinders, they would be near invincible.  That statement goes for CSC as well.  

The CSC team at the beginning of the year flat out sucked.  They were disgracing their legacy, and were weakening our conference in the eyes of the national eye.  But the current CSC team is the team we all know and fear.  They are a team that can battle anywhere anytime.  Don't say GC choked if they lost, I don't believe anyone would agree with that statement.  The only way GC chokes is if they score 10 points and lose by 96+.  

Thursdays game, though probably not the same as yesterdays, will be phenomenal.  Two powerhouses colliding in the semis.  One has history on their side, the other destiny.  You have to love games like this.  It's almost a toss up.  Vegas would have a very difficult time making a line for this game.  I don't want to give an opinion on the outcome, b/c my ESP is being blocked by my euphoria still from last night.  But I will say this, if RWU were a European soccer team, their locker room would have been firebombed by unruly fans last night, rightfully so.  UNBELIEVABLE!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 22, 2006, 09:32:39 AM
CSC has the best player, EVER, in the CCC, in that of The Saint.  They have one of the most storied programs, EVER, in the CCC.

Those might be slight overstatements, but its so hard to compare players from the mid 90's to these guys today.  There were some incredible players and teams back then.  He's certainly the best CCC player in the last 7 years that I've been following the whole conference so closely.  I wasn't to informed on the rest of the conference before that, but I did see quite a few very talented players come through.  St Clair has also been the most dominant over that span.  He has really had no rivals at the top (besides Lamb's one semester last year).

By the way, St. Clair is at 1995 points and 974 rebounds right now for his career.  I sure hope Joe stops the game or at least acknowledges that accomplishment on Thursday night when he goes over 2,000.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 22, 2006, 09:45:56 AM
It seems kind of odd that GC being the #1 seed has to play the #3 seed in the north and not the #4 seed.  Has this ever happened before? Doesn't it make sense to reseed the second round?  EC gets a huge advantage with playing WIT and not CSC.  I still think the playoff structure is ridiculous.  The top team from the North and South should go 1 and 2 and the rest should be seeded by record and not record + North/South.  What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 09:48:31 AM

I think there is no really fair way to deal with it.  Honestly, GC might complain, but the North sure can't.  THe big reason they went to this format was because the North teams were upset that the divisonal play could limit their ability to compete in the conference tournament.  The current set-up allows for all four teams from one division to make the semi-finals.  I believe this is the first time that has actually happened, but it was well deserved.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 22, 2006, 09:54:26 AM
Good Morning Guys and good Bye the South has been defeated (again) I want to say that this has been fun.However I agree with the person who stated players and coaches should not be on here. It was brought to my attention that somethings were being posted by someone who had to be an Curry insider. Well we know how that ended. This posting thing can be addictive so I will check in to posting rehab via the recruiting trail. I must go out and get all this talent I was told we have. I salute the teams that are still playing. They are the toast of the CCC. Special kudo's to WIT for winning at RWU and NC for giving the Scots a fight. Hoops email me some time if you know where I can find some rebounders(smile) Take Care, Coach
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 10:35:01 AM

I still haven't heard too many opinions on the post-season awards.

It seems were pretty agreed on St. Clair and Schauer, but what about Rookies?  Does anyone have any good rookies ot nominate?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 10:52:33 AM

I tried to make a poll, but apparently I don't have that much access on this board.  Anything you can do about that Pat?  I do have the option for a poll at the top.  Do any of the rest of you have that option?

Anyway, here are my candidates, let me know who you vote for:

Ricardo Jean-Noel (ENC)
Bobby Montrod (NEC)
Jah'maine Mercer (NC)
Steve Walsh (SRU)
Todd Doyle (WIT)

That is my rookie team.  Other guys who contributed: the shooters, Deryk Largesse (CC) and Justin Woodworth (SRU) and the 4th big man up north, Duncan Szeliga (CSC).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 22, 2006, 11:13:25 AM
Just wanted to say that Gordon would have been blown out last night if it wasn't for Kaufman.  He hit every big shot to keep the game in striking distance for Gordon.  Towards the end no one on Nichols could stop him and he was scoring on almost every possession.  The kid is coming into his own right now.  As for Nichols, that team could definitly be scary in a couple years.  They have some solid young players that were giving Gordon a fit all night.

Roy any word on getting the video from last night up on a website?...I'm gonna have to run to schauer's office today to check it out if its not up soon

Rumor is Hayes Murray could be in the house on Saturday if Gordon advances....all the legends will be coming out for that one
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 22, 2006, 12:25:43 PM
picked this up in the drive home....

i agree with AJ that Kaufman is coming into this own; becoming a leader. at one point last night, after he banged a three, he told his teammates to get him the ball. obviously, the comeback was total team effort, but it was spearheaded by the play of Kaufman. twice in the last three minutes when the GC offense was struggling to find a shot, he broke his man off the dribble and split the help defenders for easy lay-ups. also, twice in the 2nd half run's he had big rebound plays after his missed three's. both times he made a beeline to follow his shot and once forced a jump ball and the other time made a steal after the rebound had been secured by Nichols. that kind of effort and intensity is just contagious.

the video is more of an edited/montage and def amateur shot with some "crowd' announcers but hoping to get that up later today.

i don't really see why everyone is hyping this win as a reason for why Gordon will lose on Thursday. anyone who has seen basketball knows this is just a classic case of a hungry/nothing to loose Nichols team playing a tight Gordon team. It is the classic 1 v 8. The perennial 1st round scare, if you will. before last night i didn't think a CSC-GC match up would be more than a 10pt game, and i don't now either. the game also didn't change my view of who will win. During Gordon's win streak, they haven't had any tests like this down to the buzzer, let alone games where they trailed big late.  so in my estimation, since they won, this was a good experience. if anything Gordon proved they could win the tight ones, win ones where they were down. if you were a Gordon hater, i think before last night your only platform to stand on would have been "Gordon hasn't had a test, hasn't been forced to the wire."  hoops, i don't agree with the "find weakness assessment." you couldn't garner much if you are Foti. Gordon just played a little tight to start, and then had to play catch-up the rest of the game. All Nichols did was play hungry and take advantage; i don't think that they exposed anything. obvi if CSC plays that hungry they could win, too. they "don't have any vets, never been there before" arguments were ALL erased last night. That team was thrown right into the fire of play-off basketball and survived. the first one is always the toughest. and they survived. they don't have to go on the road for a new test; they will be at home, again, playing another opponent. now they can relax and play Gordon basketball. i don't see this team being tight again or having jitters. i don't see the CSC vets having a huge leg up now. you quickly become a veteran when you play in a game like that. Gordon is a better team, playing at home, and now you can say they are play-off tested. I like them by 6.

Doyle for ROY.

i think having 4 from each conference is division is a good way to keep it a fair balance (look at d1 conferences) but couldn't they do 1-2 N/S winner, then 3 best teams from each division and then seed them by record? This would help good teams from having to play on the road in the first round. maybe it isn't possible. either way, having seen a 13-3 Gordon team have to play a 1st round road game is very tough, but if nothing can change i still think having 4 from each division is fairest way when you have unbalanced schedules.

hoops i liked your point about d3 not being d1. i like how d3 does the at-large by regional rank. this again, i feel is the fairest way. d3 athlete's are just playing for the love of the game, there are no scholarships and certainly not enough in the school budget to have teams crisscrossing the nation for weekday games to boost an RPI. you can't have bracket buster Saturday. you can't have a fair judge of national talent for pool C teams because a NE power can't just play a W power on a daily basis and so on and so on. the only way to judge is to base it regionally and take basically the same amount from each region for the at-large bids. fyi, WPI must have an advance scout team because i seen them everywhere lately including EC-CC last night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 12:39:49 PM

I think I was the one who said I'm picking CSC, not because of the results last night.  GC played a close game with a good offensive team at the top of their game.  CSC beat a team pretty good that was struggling all night.  I still just think this CSC team has rounded into form and that they have an advantage if they continue to get the ball inside.  GC can stay in things because of guard play.  There might be a lot of action on the interior, but the game will be decided by the play on the perimeter.

WPI hasn't had to play any games in a while and I doubt they have to scout their own conference.  They are a shoe-in for the NCAA's whether they win their conference tournament or not.  I'm sure they are just checking out the potential competition.  However, it might be a funny joke if they get shipped South again this year (although I doubt there is any way that happen), still it would be funny.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on February 22, 2006, 01:35:06 PM
Man I would love to know what you all do for work, so I can get that job and play on D3hoops.com all day.

My year would be complete if St. Clair can get to 2000 and 1000 points and rebounds respectively.  What an accomplishment :o
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 01:42:15 PM

The rebounds are going to be tough without a trip to the post-season (either NCAA or ECAC).  I'm sure he'll get the points tomorrow night, but he may need four more games to get the boards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 22, 2006, 01:43:58 PM
I don't want to exhaust the NC/GC game last night, although it might be already, but there was one thing that happened last night that made the difference.  While Herr's 4 point play was huge, and Marstallers lay-up from Vogelzang was miraculous, they did not have the same effect as when NC's Vallee fouled out.  

Valle is a very good player, not great yet, but has the potential to be.  He is very much like Adam Morrisson.  Moving with out the ball, with the ball, good defender, good perimeter player, makes the most difficult of shots, and has the long hair, but no stache.  This kid is only going to get better.  But when he picked up his 5th foul with 2:23 left to go, it was devistating.  It was defenitely offensive.  I was not but 3 feet away, he extended his arm, Logan sold it beautifuly, and the correct call was made.  Even after that NC didn't lose their air, but their talent and athleticism decreased 10-fold.

Had Vallee been in late, we would be talking about NC and CSC, while GC would have been forced to tink what could have been.  Credit to the Bison.  GC didn't win, NC just lost.  This team will be very good next year.  Props
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 22, 2006, 01:51:43 PM
This is my work.

I agree with Roy that last night was an NC team who had a win-win opportunity.  If they lost they were suppose to, and if they won, even better.  They had nothing to lose, at all.  GC, with the pressure of being #1 on them, played tight, and uncharacteristicaly shakey.  That being said, they know, with out a doubt, that if they play like that tomorrow, they are going to get run out of the gym, with no hope of clawing back.

CSC is a good ball club.  But why is everyone so quick to toss GC aside.  I still make the case that the game in New London was a formidable match-up.  Yet everyone casts it aside as CSC still playing bad.  They had just rattled off 6 straight... COME ON PEOPLE! 

This game is going to be close, you can count on that.  CSC will be well represented by their followers, in spite of that 2 hour drive from NH.  GC is already clearing student parking in anticipation of the over whelming amount of fans expected.  But the $2 admission will not deter GC fans from being present tomorrow either.

I love the match-ups at every position in this game, especially Bray and Kaufman.  Two "waterbug" players, so quick and agile, going at one another defensively and offensively, while Marstaller and The Saint bang down low, phenomenal.  This game is why we love the CCC.  Everyone outside of our conference may question us, and think we are something to blow off, but its game like this, and years like this, that will begin giving us recognition.  I love CCC basketball.

I still hate RWU... hate, hate, hate.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 02:00:30 PM

Actually, I passed the New London match-up off to CSC playing well and GC being at their best.  Right now it's hard to dispute that CSC is playing better than they were.  I think its a fairly even match-up, but I've had this nagging feeling about CSC getting it together and making waves in the big tourney.  I got stick with it until it fails me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 04:11:15 PM

Gordon still at #4 in the regional rankings.  I think they may catch one more spot if they win out and Tufts falls to Trinity.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 22, 2006, 05:23:14 PM
What happens, if say Amherst loses their conference championship?  Would they take GC's probable at large bid?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 617primetime on February 22, 2006, 06:33:40 PM
anyone know how many seniors gordon has? and if so, how many contribute?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 22, 2006, 06:46:38 PM
GC has 3 Seniors.  Aaron Vogelzang is their small forward/shooting guard, he's a starter.  John Beebe is their 6th man and is primarily a Point Guard, but can be a Shooting Guard if needed.  Lastly is Pete Hassler.  His minutes are limited, but when he's in he doubles as a Center/ Power Forward.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Allworld41 on February 22, 2006, 09:18:53 PM
All the accounts of the end of the Gordon leave out the part about Vogelzang at best bear hugging and at work assaulting Butler that lead to the turnover. I mean I know Gordon is at home and Jesus is their boy and all that, but it was a foul no doubt about it.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 22, 2006, 09:23:36 PM
Actually, the refs decided it wasn't a foul, but thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: The Biz on February 22, 2006, 10:19:50 PM
I put together a lil video after the GC Nichols game, it has a couple of different camera angles and I believe it captures accurately the atmosphere of the Bennett center in the last 24 seconds of the game. Take it for what you will, here is the link.
http://homepage.mac.com/raptorfactor/iMovieTheater16.html


Scotty for Life
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 22, 2006, 10:26:16 PM
Anyone want to question whether GC has the best fans?  Anyone?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 617primetime on February 22, 2006, 10:40:57 PM
Wow, sounds like GC could be trouble again next year. i thought they were older
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 22, 2006, 11:47:59 PM
Allworld41, bitter much.  I have seen more angles of the play, than most reffs do when reviewing a call in the NFL.  Butler choked, he was holding the ball like a loaf of bread and Vogelzang got all ball, the only bear hugs were when the crowd rushed the floor.

Also as for Gordon yeah they are going to be very good next year, they are lossing three guys who bring a lot of leadership, but there are other players on the bench who are good but there are not enough minuets for them this year.  Remeber Tim Deluca he is a frosh and might be the best in his class when all is said and done.  But with that said, Gordon is going to be good for a long time because Schauer and Martin are very good coaches but their best talent is recruiting, look out for great recuiting classes for years to come.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: The Biz on February 22, 2006, 10:19:50 PM
I put together a lil video after the GC Nichols game, it has a couple of different camera angles and I believe it captures accurately the atmosphere of the Bennett center in the last 24 seconds of the game. Take it for what you will, here is the link.
http://homepage.mac.com/raptorfactor/iMovieTheater16.html

This link isn't working right now.

Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 22, 2006, 10:26:16 PM
Anyone want to question whether GC has the best fans?  Anyone?

Umm, wasn't there a discussion last week about how GC would have trouble filling the gym if students have to pay?  I think that answers your question right there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 09:05:16 AM

Hey, did anyone notice that there are actuall conference semi-final games going on tonight?  Even better, they are only five minutes apart from each other.  Too bad they are both tipping at the same time.

CSC @ GC

WIT @ EC


It's three letter abbreviations vs two letter abbreviations from the beautiful Massachusetts North Shore--Vogelzang, Marinkvoic...CCC playoff basketball...it's fantastic!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: The Biz on February 23, 2006, 10:34:28 AM
I just posted a new video, it will actually be up on Gordon's site sometime today. But here is the link to mine. Enjoy!

http://homepage.mac.com/raptorfactor/videos/iMovieTheater18.html

Scotty 4 life
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 10:50:44 AM

Firefox won't let me view it, apparently there isn't a Quicktime 7 plugin for Firefox yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 23, 2006, 11:06:57 AM
Hey Hoops I just watched the link with firefox....not sure why its not working for you.  Hopefully the Gordon website will have the link up later and you can watch it there.

Pretty good viewing of vogelzang steal on the video if people want to make their own conclusions, really not sure how you could say it was a foul though.

As for the fans, I was never worried about Gordon filling up the gym, someone did bring that point up but the Bennet center was packed on Tuesday.  I think you have to give the Gordon fans some props, we've been consistent pretty much the whole year.

Its gonna be a great night on the North Shore
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 23, 2006, 11:47:35 AM
The video gets better and better with each viewing, it's like a nice aged wine. 

Is Butler on suicide watch?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 23, 2006, 11:56:03 AM
Let's stop talking about Tuesday night and let's shift out attention to tonight.  Beating Nichols was fun but there is no rest when CSC is on the horizon.  Let's go Gordon!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on February 23, 2006, 01:16:06 PM
No one is talking about tonights game for Gordon, cause they are scared.  The highlight of their season occured Tuesday and obviously you are all going milk that for as long as you can.  It is obvious that GC has never won a big game by seeing the reaction of the fans after Gordon beat a lower ranked team.  Act like you have won a game before...esecially a first round game against a lesser opponent.   Ussually you rush the court if A you are the underdogs and beat a ranked team, like Villanova over UConn, or B you win a Championship...not a first round game! I'll be at the Gordon game tonight and expect to see them on their heels after nearly losing in the first round.  They're going to be real shaky and flustered.  St. Clair for POY and he will continue to pull down boards all the way through the CCC playoffs into the NCAA and will get to 1000!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 23, 2006, 01:34:41 PM
Well then thank goodness we have you to tell us how Gordon is feeling.

They already beat CSC twice this year. This might be the playoffs, but I doubt anyone is scared.

St. Clair/Marstaller will be a good match up, but i don't think the Kaufman/Bray one is even an issue anymore. I haven't seen Bray since CSC went on this streak everyone has described, but Kaufman won the match up hands down both games this year. I would suggest that Marstaller has been playing better defense on St. Clair this year, but I don't want to get shot.

Nichols is just a tough match up for Gordon with their three big guys. The game was an amazing comeback win. Down by 14 with less than 9 left to play, and to have it end the way it did, it deserves to be talked about and why not rush the floor while we're at it?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 01:36:23 PM

Hey #1, you are right, Gordon's team hasn't won a big game before, that's kind of part of the excitement that's been going around this season.

Butler had a great career at Nichols; it's not like they would have gone any further anyway.  I'm sure he's doing fine.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 23, 2006, 02:15:54 PM
i guess i'll just have to assume that since you are the self proclaimed #1 player in the CCC you probably have serious insecurity issues and needed to find a stretch to make yourself feel good about tonight. i mean hey, Gordon did wax your team two times already. therefore i'll give you a pass on the fact you couldn't parlay your vast knowledge of basketball (ranging from CCC action to the big Monday top 10 tilts you watch because Sportscenter told you so) into reason C for rushing the court: Miracles. If a team is down 5, with 24 seconds left in a 'win or seasons over' game...then events such as Tuesday night unfold...well you if you are a red blooded college kid...you rush the court. 6 points in 12 seconds? steal the inbounds, convert the game winner....make a 4 point play? who cares who is playing who? you can't script something like that. if you win, you're dancing baby!

what else is there to say about tonight's game? the teams have already met twice. we know what's gonna happen. yada, yada, yada. we know what GC has to do to win, and we know what CSC needs to do to win. it's all been said. the predictions are in. Thorpe could be a wildcard, but hoops has touched on that. St. Clair will get his, he always does. the win when he scores, they lose when he scores. trust me caedmon's call, Kaufman will handle Bray (kid ate himself out of the league years ago). To win CSC will need someone besides the Saint to step up, and they have to shut down GC's perimeter game (by defense or more likely praying for a bad shooting night). Gordon plays their game they win. Simple as that. If they don't they are in trouble. They have proved how to beat CSC. They know how they beat CSC twice this season, so they do those things again--see ya Saturday. 

saying that the team Gordon is scared because its fans (who won't be playing tonight) are on a message board creating montages of the greatest game in Bennett Center history and probably the greatest win thus far in the Gordon basketball history is a bit of false hope. boring 'been there done that' drivel about things that have been talked about so much between CSC and GC is not that exciting to posters. like i said before we all know what to expect. if you want to generate more conversation about tonight's game come with something better than a quadruple exclamation laced St.Clair will win POY (groundbreaking) and get 1,000 rebounds in the ECAC's, statement.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: roy_williams on February 23, 2006, 02:15:54 PM
Gordon did wax your team two times already.

I thought #1 was an Endicott guy, not CSC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 23, 2006, 02:23:10 PM
hoops, i don't know if that is rhetorical, but if he is an EC guy then i don't know why he said he will be at the GC game (instead of the EC game) and he basically wishes CSC through the CCC playoffs (which would include beating EC--or assumes EC loses to WIT--even worse) in his last statement. ?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 02:43:39 PM

Whatever, its responding to those posts that gets this board all screwed up anyway.  You just need to ignore the trash talk, especially when its obviously not done in good humor.

We could stick to actually talking basketball... wouldn't that be novel?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 23, 2006, 02:49:55 PM
I think the wildcard tonight is not Thorpe (althoguh that might be). I think it is the refs. If Marstaller stays our of foul trouble, then CSC is going to have trouble winning play in the paint.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 02:52:27 PM

I'm not sure how even Marstaller can hope to compete if both CSC bigs are on their game.  I think he will score and he may even score a lot, but the CSC guys will probably contribute just as much.


In my opinion, the game will come down to how well the CSC guards can control the GC backcourt.  A lot of GC's game comes from the perimeter, whether its outside shooting, drive and dish or interior passing.  If the CSC guys do a good job on perimeter defense, then I think CSC can win this game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 23, 2006, 03:14:02 PM
I really don't mean to be rude or offensive, but did you see either of the CSC/GC matchups this year? At CSC, the Scots went inside to Marstaller three times in a row down the court, and he picked up 6 straight points on those trips. St. Clair will get his 16-22 points, and I'm not even saying I think Marstaller is better than St. Clair, I just think that if he can stay in the game, that's one more area CSC has to focus on.

Secondly, looking at the box score of their last game, Herr was 0-7, and the Scots still won. His play has picked up tremendously down the stretch, and if he has another game like Tuesday night, it's just another advantage the Scots have.

I don't want to be that annoying Gordon fan that has 110% faith in his team, I just think after the two matchups this year, Gordon and their fans have a reason to be confident going into tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac04 on February 23, 2006, 03:16:06 PM
I agree. If Bray and co.  can focus on feeding their scorers and keep control of the tempo/game, then csc's got the edge...I think the big men are peaking and will play up for this game...also I believe the seniors will bring their a-game when faced with being eliminated in their final year...On another note, I don't think gordon is shaken up for over the nichols come back in fact in my opinion it has probably galvanized them. I expect a great game, giving csc the edge, maybe a five point margin...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 03:22:15 PM

NESCAC gets what I'm saying.  Both Thorpe and St Clair have not had good games at the same time since November.  They've been doing it over the last week.  When Condon and St. Clair were playing together last year, that inside was unstoppable.  Even Amherst's coach talked about how they were probably the best frontcourt in the region.  Condon was probably a little better than Thorpe, but Thorpe has the advantage of a little better outside shot.  I think the two of them together can be very, very tough and something we really haven't seen much of this year.

Again, I doubt they will stop Marstaller or even limit him too much, he's a great player, but the inside is not where the game will be decided.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac04 on February 23, 2006, 03:23:26 PM
Yeah it's true Herr had some doughnut time last game and he's gotten more consistent..that being said, if csc had done only slightly better than 2-10 from the arc and 50% from the FT line in the second half they probably would have won...csc can't throw it up so much...butterworth can shoot and spanos was 4-4 from the arc against endicott...shot selection, although a broken record rears it head yet again...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on February 23, 2006, 03:43:32 PM
My prediction is CSC by 6. It's pretty tough to beat a team three times in a season. CSC seems to be playing well "together" lately as a team. They are shooting well compared to early season and have stepped up there defensive intensity. On the other hand though, Gordon is riding an incredible season and from what I have seen of them, they just flat out play well together. It's going to be tough for either team, and I wish I could be there to see the battle in the post.

And another thing, I'll personally guarantee that ccc #1 player is not the saint. I mean c'mon, it's obvious someone is doing it to get a rise out of the few posters on this board, and doing a rather good job at it. Same with college expert, sound more like someone making fun of bartelle than it being him.

With that said, I can't wait to see whats posted on here tonight after the games are over. See ya then
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 23, 2006, 03:52:14 PM
The main difference between GC and CSC is that CSC will only win if St Clair gets a lot of touches.  This has been documented in their loses this season.  GC on the other hand can have 4 or 5 different guys step up and take over the game.  It will be a great game tonight.  My head says that CSC will not lose three games to GC in one season, but I think GC will prevail.  The telling sign for me is the second meeting at New London.  GC blew them out in the first meeting and then traveled to CSC and still took care of business.   Now with GC being at home, I can't see them being the underdog.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: akirk on February 23, 2006, 03:52:14 PM
  Now with GC being at home, I can't see them being the underdog.

I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly until that first round game.  After a performance like that, they are back to proving themselves anew in the playoffs.

I think CSC, but two or three at the most.  It will come down to FTs, I think, at the end.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on February 23, 2006, 04:27:21 PM
For CSC to win Thorpe has got to play the way he has as of lately. In the two meetings this year Thorpe has scored a combined 11 points on 5 for 13 shooting will shooting 1 for 8 from behind the arc. CSC also committed 34 turnovers and have been outrebounded 64-63 although it wasn't much of a difference. I guess we are just going to have to wait and see what the night brings.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 23, 2006, 04:32:14 PM
I kind of like that everyone not from GC is doubting them, you guys have been questioning this team all year and I think they have answered quite nicely, but I agree they still have something to prove.  They won one playoff game against Nichols, CSC is a different story, but know that this GC squad has a lot of pride and want to be considered an elite team and this win will say alot about this team.  I think tonights CSC @ GC winner will also win the conference.  Should be fun, enough talk let wait and see what the people who actually descide the games show us on the court.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 23, 2006, 04:32:19 PM
Well, here comes the question of whether it was good defense by GC or just a couple of bad games by CSC.  It is hard to answer but if you look at GC's defense though out the season, I think it speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 04:59:42 PM

Here's hoping for two overtime games.  I'm out until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 23, 2006, 05:08:31 PM
Does anybody know if Gordon will be broadcasting this game? Thanks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on February 23, 2006, 05:40:06 PM
Yes, but we have a very limited number of streams.  Luckily, I think a lot of parents will be here tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 23, 2006, 05:47:32 PM
Is there a link on the Gordon website, and if so where.  Thanks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on February 23, 2006, 06:05:39 PM
Go to the men's basketball page on the Gordon website, and there will be a link down in the left hand corner that says, "Listen Live."  It will appear some time before game time, if it is not there by now.  You will need Quicktime, I believe, to listen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on February 23, 2006, 07:38:50 PM
Half time score of GC/CSC is 34 to 18 CSC leads
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac04 on February 23, 2006, 08:06:39 PM
Attempting to listen to the audio feed via quicktime...can't get a connection...how few streams are there? Advice/updates on the game would be appreciated..
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on February 23, 2006, 08:12:45 PM
I can't get a connection either. I'll let you know as soon as it's over though
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 23, 2006, 08:37:44 PM
CSC wins by 16, 67-51
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on February 23, 2006, 08:38:55 PM
CSC Wins!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac04 on February 23, 2006, 08:46:01 PM
wow...I'm not gonna lie, I thought it'd be a 3 point game...looking foward to the summary...to those that were there, what happened to gordon or was csc just really well prepared? Scots, I'd say Gordo's definitely gonna go dancing, no worries on your end...I'm out for tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 23, 2006, 09:09:54 PM
unfortunately CSC did the two things they hadn't done before. as i said before, CSC had to find someone to help out St. Clair offensively, and they had to shut down Gordon's perimeter game. Thorpe (the wildcard) had 19 to lead all scorers, and Gordon shot 28% from 3pt. and that's all she wrote.

frankly i didn't think CSC could do it, but they did. all the credit to them. much will be argued that GC didn't come out with the intensity needed for a CCC semi or that Gordon shot themselves out of the game (not the CSC defense) and frankly, this is probably true. when Gordon had it to a 8-10 pt game with under 5 left, they missed about 7 consecutive threes (almost all of which were open) in a 3 minute span and Bray salted it away from the line. so to say Gordon didn't have their chances would be unfair. however, it also would be unfair to neglect the first half, where Colby-Sawyer took it Gordon and had the 16 pt halftime cushion. Gordon did have their chances in the 2nd half (especially when St.Clair had to sit) and battled like champions, but CSC had built their lead and it turned out to be too little too late. congrats to them, they clearly earned it tonight, and they are on to the championship.

i think the guard play was a little more even tonight as CSC dished out 19 assists with only 11 TO's while Gordon had 12 and 12. However, the assist totals are skewed considering how poorly Gordon shot, and i would still say Gordon's backcourt was better.

GC was outrebounded by 10, 36-26 but really that is nothing too new or too major. CSC did seem to get all the big rebounds in the 2nd half, however.

to me this seemed to be basically played like the first Endicott game for Gordon. they shot poorly, and there defense wasn't horrific, but couldn't hold up against the poor shooting night. Twice in the second half Gordon had the ball with the lead down to single digits, but unlike Tuesday they didn't get any shots to fall.

it appears now the Scots must hope for CSC to win Saturday (which would boost their QOWI a little more) and Amherst not to get upset in the NESCAC. then maybe they can go dancin'.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 23, 2006, 09:29:38 PM
EC over WIT, 74-60. George again was huge (we all knew EC's play-off hopes rest on him) leading all scorers with 19, though he did have 6 turnovers. Darko did the usual, 16 and 9, and Corbett had 10 in 18 minutes on near perfect shooting.

WIT was paced by PB&J with 17 and Frankie Hall? who took did his best Kobe impression taking 18 shots and connecting on only 5 of them for 13pts. Doyle was a non-factor with 6.

it looks as if WIT was absolutely blitz krieg'd from the start, as EC shot 72% from the floor in the first half (6-7 from 3pt 85%) in route to a 49-31 halftime lead.

i personally didn't think you could shoot worse than Gordon did tonight, but apparently WIT was out to prove me wrong. they shot 31% for the game and 16% from three (2-12). ouch. talk about a free pass to the finals. and it looks like maybe that is a good thing because EC wasn't really on top of their game either, turning it over 17 times, with only 12 assists. WIT only turned it over 9 times.

as much as i thought Gordon could have competed with even a decent shooting night, i can't imagine how WIT feels especially since it appears EC was a little disinterested with the game. i mean they shot 31%! of course, you can look at it the other way and if the EC team showed up with some intensity it could have been a 40 point game.

anyway, doesn't matter, CSC at Endicott Saturday for the automatic bid.

if anyone was there who knows how to read....three T's were called in the game (one on PB&J, one on Corbett and Sullivan) explain what happend?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 23, 2006, 09:32:52 PM
Roy, I must say being able to lose with humility is a task in itself.  I am not being sarcastic.  Gordon will win a title in the years to come.  Like I stated earlier once you are  the top team it makes it even more difficult to win.

Gordon could have been playing not to lose rather then playing to win.  

Also having experienced how to handle play off games under pressure helped CSC.  Personally I thought that CSC would win by 5 like I posted earlier.

Now you also understand why people talk up teams like EC and CSC.  Reguardless of what people say the teams did or didn't do, this will be CSC 5th appearance in the last 6 years in the championship.  I believe EC is right up there also.

I would also like to say good luck to Gordon, hoping they will get into the dance and represent the CCC.  So keep your heads up in Wenham and represent.  Have a good night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2006, 11:05:19 PM
Roy, it's real sad that you have to humiliate WIT just to make yourself feel better about Gordon's loss.

On another note, CSC simply wanted this one more, it seems like they had something to prove.  Most people didn't except them to win my such a margin.  Good work by all teams tonight.  Saturday should be interesting, CSC by 2.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 23, 2006, 11:34:31 PM
Well first let me say congraduations to John, Andrew is a class act and he is going to get 2000 and 1000 and he does it with class, which is not always the case and it is nice to see.  As for the game, the basics were Gordon played poorly and CSC played very well.  CSC knows what it takes to win in the playoffs and Gordon is still learning.  Gordon is going to be one of the teams to beat for the next couple years and I believe they will have their time at the top.  Coach Schauer said in his post game wrap-up, this team was so good all year and accomplished so much that we can't dwell on this game because it does an injustice to their season.  Congraduations go out to Vogelzang, Beebe and Hasler, hopefully they haven't donned the blue and white for the last time.  Saturday will still be a fun game and I am counting the minuets untill Sunday, hopefully the tournamnet selection group will look favorably on the Scots great season.  Sad its over for now, can't wait till Sunday, untill then I am an Amherst and WPI fan.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 23, 2006, 11:38:14 PM
Nothn' but props for CSC.  They had the leadership, capabilities and desire to be victorious tonight, and it showed.  It came down to youth vs. experience, and experience more often than not wins out.  I wish CSC the best of luck on Saturday.  Please don't let GC's loss be in vein.

But to every GC player, fan, hater, etc.  What an amazing year.  This team went far and beyond what people expected from them.  They have broken and set so many records this season.  It's hard to focus on the positive amongst the negative times, but I, as well as hundreds of others, were taken on a magnificent ride all year.  I thank you guys for allowing me to be part of something memorable.  Thanks to the guys on this board for keeping things fresh and lively.  I hope GC has one more stop before the tank runs out.  Lets hope the conference call to Schauer is a promising one Sunday.

05-06 was phenomenal.  And it's not even done yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 24, 2006, 12:36:36 AM
Couple of thoughts....

Somehow, I wasn't shocked by roy_williams' response - typical of most fanboy homers.  (YAY!  LOOK AT US, WE'RE THE BEST!  EVERYONE ELSE IS CRAP!!)  I do give credit to the diesel and to Gordon and 24/7 for their mature handling of the loss, though.  Y'all gots a good team over there, any any time you can get 20 wins, you have to admit it's been a good year.

Still, I hope you enjoy the ECAC, fellas, cuz there's no way you're getting into the NCAA.  Yea, you might be 23-4 overall and 22-3 in the region, but those games against traditional powerhouses Johnson State, Newbury, Framingham State, Mount Ida and Piedmont aren't gonna help you out too much.  I mean, come on, in-region, Gordon's got a total of one non-league win against a team from a better conference than the CCC - MIT.  

Look at it this way:  There's seven AQs from NE (CCC, GNAC, LEC, MASCAC, NESCAC, NEWMAC, NAC).  The region most likely paired with the northeast would be the east, since there's only three AQs from there (Empire 8, Liberty League, SUNYAC).  There's 10 teams getting in there.  Between the two regions, you might get a total of 16 teams TOPS.  So you've got six pool C teams (I've also left out teams like NYU, Brandeis, and Rochester, which would count in that group even though their conference is spread among several regions).  Frankly, who'd you rather have, a Trinity or Hamilton, or a Gordon team that really hasn't played anyone?  Simply put, there's no way that the NE region gets more than three C bids.  

The fact of the matter is that the CCC isn't a good conference.  It's too big for its own good.  The fact that the top tier teams have to play ENC, AMC, Nichols, NEC, takes away from opportunities they could play real competition.  Add into that the fact you've got teams like Endicott and CSC that are willing to take their lumps and play better teams, and it makes Gordon's record look bad.

Look at the numbers, folks.  Gordon's Massey rating is 63rd in the nation.  Even if they just went straight down that list, that's not good enough to get in.  That's not to discredit their season, because Endicott's second in the league, but still 100 spots farther down.  As a league, the CCC North is the 35th-best league in the country, while factoring in the south, the CCC as a whole is 40th.  We're talking the D3 equivalent of the SWAC here, folks.

Don't believe me?  Check it out for yourself.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6

NESCAC gets three bids (Trinity, Tufts, Amherst).  If WPI gets upset in their tourney, they get in.  My guess is that's it from NE.  I see 5/6 bids from the East paired with 10/11 from NE.

Now, before you jump down my throat on this, keep this in mind:  this represents more than 1/4 of the teams in the national tournament.  You won't see more than 16 teams come from these two regions, especially not when the midwest and great lakes are so strong.

Do I like it?  Not really.  But I'm not that much of a looooser fanboy to allow conference pride to mask facts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 24, 2006, 01:35:47 AM
I dunno if anyone else noticed but st clair got his 2000th on a 2 on 1 dunk....nice way to get it...congrats to him and the CSC team...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 09:04:13 AM

Congrats to Andy St. Clair, nice to his his mug on the front page of d3hoops.com.  Only 13 more boards to reach 1,000.  Who would have thought the CCC would be there TWICE this week??  Wow, things are looking up.

No need for much of a recap, Roy did a mighty fine job.  I'll just make a few comments.  The CCC AQ rests in the hands of the winner of the EC-CSC playoff matchup once again.  The more things change, the more they stay the same, I guess.  I think its important to note that St Clair had 13 boards (his first time into double digits in quite a while) and 5 assists as well.  He really played his most complete game of the year, even with the foul trouble.  Bray had 12 points and 7 assists.  Logan led GC in rebounds with 7; I told you it would be a little bit harder for Marstaller to perform with two CSC big guys on top of their games.  Rebounding is where its really tough, even Marstaller can only box out one guy at a time.  I think this one was a good game, even if GC got off to the rough start.  WIT missed a lot of tthrees in their game, but EC still had trouble with turnovers, which does not bode well for tomorrow.  However, EC did shoot really well.  I'm interested to see how Marinkovic does against two really good big men.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 09:07:43 AM
cstrike,

I do love how you've encapsulated the entire bredth of discussion from the whole year into one post (your first, I might add).

You're right, the CCC is too big for the top teams to get enough recognition, but the league is improving and I think with two teams in the tournament, there is an outside chance we can show our stuff this year (depending on pairings).

Gordon will get in, because, well the NCAA doesn't use any of those measures.  They don't care about Massey and they don't care which opponents you've played unless they are regionally ranked at the end of the year.  They go by the QOWI number, which, for Gordon is still decent.  They also go by regional record, which is also in GC's favor.  It doesn't work like the d1 selection does.  Gordon is almost assured of a bid with their record and regional ranking.

I would also direct your attention to the d3hoops.com front page where they admit that Gordon is probably a shoe-in for the tournament despite the loss.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 24, 2006, 09:43:55 AM
Think it through, Hoops.... Trinity may be behind Gordon in the rankings, but can you honestly see the committee taking Gordon over Trinity?

If I'm a Gordon fan, I'm not feeling really happy about my chances right now, and I'm really not liking them if WPI gets upset.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on February 24, 2006, 09:55:30 AM
Hey Hoops

What are the chances of ENC getting an at large bid?  I really think their three wins this season were huge wins!...




and anyone who takes me seriously right now needs to go on vacation.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 10:05:05 AM
Strike,

They don't look at it thay way, they can't.  The NCAA has set basic criteria they have to use to evaluate teams.  Basically, when they do the final rankings, if Gordon is ahead of Trinity, they will get in first.  Now how those rankings pan out may depend on Trintiy winning its next game, but that's neither here nor there.

The national selection committee doesn't get to say, "Do we think Trinity is better than Gordon."  They have to look at the numbers and when it comes to Pool C, two teams from the same region actually are never compared to each other.

You're new, so I can go over the selection procedure again for you.  The regional committees do a final ranking on Sunday.  Then the national committee takes the first team on each regional list that isn't already in via Pools A or B and compares them to each other (so they are looking at eight teams).  When they select a team, the next team on that regional list moves into the debate, keeping eight teams on the table at all times.  They keep doing it like this until all 18 spots are filled.

If things pan out the rest of the way as they are expected to (again, not a guarantee, but what we have to work with right now), the regional C teams will get ranked:

Tufts
Gordon
Trinity
Bates
RIC
Salem
Williams

If that is the case, Tufts and Gordon get in first, then Trinity has a shot.  If Trinity can upset Tufts, things might get changed around.  The way things exist now, this is how it looks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 24, 2006, 10:40:32 AM
Quotefrankly i didn't think CSC could do it, but they did. all the credit to them.

congrats to them, they clearly earned it tonight, and they are on to the championship.

i guess it wasn't clear.  jsut was trying to give a game breakdown for those who couldn't listen/see the game. as for WIT, i don't know how you sugarcoat those stats, but again just trying to give a gamebreak.

counterstrike, thanks for showing up last game of the year. it's been real! typical of a no take. are you the CCC's loe lunardi? YAY, awesome dude!

saturday: I like CSC, though i expect EC to be ready. It will be tough to win on their floor, as usually the place packs out for this one game. i look for st.clair and thorpe to neutralize Darko, and i don't think Sullivan can give him much help besides 5 fouls. I think George will have a big game, but the keys could come down to how Ellis shoots from three and what kind of minutes sixth man Corbett can give. I think Endicott will need to have a good plus/minus on their A/TO, and that CSC, much like the Gordon game, needs to control the perimeter. It is vital CSC gets out to start, not only to temper the crowd, but i think they play better with lead. they are more ball control on offense, whereas EC has the quick strike capabilites.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 10:45:58 AM

I think CSC matches up better against Endicott than GC, so I like Colby-Sawyer in this one as well.  Marinkovic has improved this year, but he's yet to show he can defend or score on big post players.  CSC has two good ones.  George will carry a lot of the scoring load, which means the CSC guards will know where the attack is coming from.  It's true, a lot will depend on how the other 'gulls step up.  The EC scoring from guys other than George will make the difference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 24, 2006, 10:48:09 AM
Hoops,

I'm not as "new" as you might think, pal....

You keep forgetting that the D3 mentality isn't to provide for the best teams in the tournament, regardless of travel, missed class time and expense.  From the NCAA Championship handbook....

QuoteDivision III Philosophy
The Division III championships philosophy is to field the most competitive teams
possible while minimizing missed class time; to emphasize regional competition in
regular-season scheduling; and to provide representation in NCAA championship
competition by allocating berths to eligible conferences, independent institutions and a limited number of at-large teams, realizing that this may be done at the expense of leaving out some championship-caliber teams.

Having said that, keep in mind the regional numbers and the tournament size.  With keeping essentially pods of four, I can't see the northeast getting three full pods - it'll be more like two and having two teams shipped to New York (Colby-Sawyer's women were sent to Ithaca last year - you can get to close to Rochester before you run out of the 400 mile mark).

This isn't a sure thing.  If Gordon does get in, I'll at least be man enough, unlike some of the Gordon fans who showed up on here in droves after knocking off all-powerful and traditional powerhouse Nichols, to come on here after the fact and admit I was wrong.

If I'm right, though.....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 11:01:34 AM

I just meant new to posting up.  It's a 500 mile limit and they tend to mix quite a few teams up.

Honestly, the whole thing seems moot to me.  Unless Bates wins or WPI loses, it seems like Tufts, Trinity and Gordon will be Pool C teams from the NE.  I think they'll all get in.

They don't have to keep teams just in the NE/E.  They often will move teams to the A/MA bracket, like they did with WPI last year.

Among teams in the NE/E regions, you have the ten AQ's and probably 3-4 Pool C bids.  That doesn't mean they won't move some teams out to other regions or bring teams in.  Barring losses, NYU is the only team with an outisde shot at Pool C from the East.

You never know what they will do, but I think the whole Gordon/Trinity debate is premature.  I think they are competing for a spot only if WPI loses or Bates wins the NESCAC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 24, 2006, 11:10:55 AM
QuoteDivision III Philosophy
The Division III championships philosophy is to field the most competitive teams
possible while minimizing missed class time; to emphasize regional competition in
regular-season scheduling; and to provide representation in NCAA championship
competition by allocating berths to eligible conferences, independent institutions and a limited number of at-large teams, realizing that this may be done at the expense of leaving out some championship-caliber teams.


Counterstrike, quite frankly you are an idiot and you should think things through before you comment.  I am not saying Gordon is defiantly in, but when the people at D3 have them on the front page as a virtual lock for a bid, that to me sounds like a pretty good indicator, as opposed to someone who has three posts all year, all coming within the last 24 hours.  Hoops knows way more about this process than you so you should shut it and wait until Sunday like the rest of us.  And as for your research skills in the NCAA DIII handbook, nice job finding the info, but you should learn to think critically about the material before commenting, they teach that to us here at Gordon.

There is no doubt in my mind that Gordon is not going to win a national championship, and there are probably 20 teams in the Midwest that have a better shot than anyone in NE, but the tournament is done regionally and the tournament committee is not going to be sending Midwest teams out to play in an eastern regional.  There probably are no championship caliber teams in the NE region but they aren't going to send all the pool C bids else where.  To me that quote is as strong as a case for Gordon as anything else out there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 11:14:21 AM

Thanks for the support Maq, although I don't endorse the harshness of the response, I appreciate the senitment.

QuoteDivision III Philosophy
The Division III championships philosophy is to field the most competitive teams
possible while minimizing missed class time; to emphasize regional competition in
regular-season scheduling; and to provide representation in NCAA championship
competition by allocating berths to eligible conferences, independent institutions and a limited number of at-large teams, realizing that this may be done at the expense of leaving out some championship-caliber teams.

It is true that if you are going to use this as support for your opinion, then you would have to say Trinity is not as "championship-caliber" as Gordon.  I feel it is the other way around, but because of the system, Gordon has a better chance of getting in because of this very same philosophy.

But, like I stated before, their cases will be quite similar if Trinity can get the win over Tufts.  This whole thing probably depends on that game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 24, 2006, 02:31:55 PM
 i just want to add a little to the gc-csc game.....if you look hard at the stats.bray was 8-8 at the line,he had 7ast.  by far his best game the way he handled the ball.thorpe had 19 points along with 8 rebounds.andrew had 14 points and 13 rebounds 11 were on defense.you put those three togeather and thats where the win came from with the added support and hustle from the rest of the team...if this is the same way they play sat. night they will beat ec buy the same amt if not more................oh ya,hoops fane,,ive got the 2000 point ball home...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 02:36:05 PM

Congrats John; there's a nice trophy for the house.  I agree, CSC played their best game of the year.  If they can win tomorrow, he's got a good shot at those 1,000 rebounds too.  Only 13 away.  He could do it against EC really, after 13 last night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 24, 2006, 03:40:25 PM
hoops fan..question..if csc wins ,i know they will, where do they go next??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 03:48:43 PM

Um.  Probably to a really unhappy higher seed.  CSC isn't going to get respect by the committee because they were an upset winner, so they will get seeded pretty low.  Some higher seeded team is going to wet themselves when they see CSC as their pairing, especially with the big men playing so well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 24, 2006, 03:49:05 PM
to the NCAA tourney  8)

haha im guessing probably bates? maybe Keene or RIC?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: broke_ya_ankles on February 24, 2006, 03:49:05 PM
to the NCAA tourney  8)

haha im guessing probably bates? maybe Keene or RIC?

Well it will depend on how things work out.  With the expanded tourney this year there are four team groups for most first round games.  However, if they get one of the middle seeds (8-9 in division 1) and Amherst gets a bye, they could see them in the second round.  There is really no way to predict how the tournament will look until we see the bracket on Monday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac04 on February 24, 2006, 05:21:47 PM
Does anyone know if there will be a live feed of the endicott-CSC game tommorrow night?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 24, 2006, 08:01:21 PM
Let's look at this bit by bit, shall we?

Quote from: Maq Diesel on February 24, 2006, 11:10:55 AM
Counterstrike, quite frankly you are an idiot and you should think things through before you comment. 
Call for you from the black kettle on line one.....

QuoteI am not saying Gordon is defiantly in, but when the people at D3 have them on the front page as a virtual lock for a bid, that to me sounds like a pretty good indicator, as opposed to someone who has three posts all year, all coming within the last 24 hours. 
Frankly, if you believe everything that is posted there as far as the at-large bids, you'll have about 30 teams receiving one by the time this weekend's over..... 

QuoteHoops knows way more about this process than you so you should shut it and wait until Sunday like the rest of us. 
For all you know, I could be on the NE Region committe, correct?  You can speculate, I can speculate.

QuoteAnd as for your research skills in the NCAA DIII handbook, nice job finding the info, but you should learn to think critically about the material before commenting, they teach that to us here at Gordon.
To answer this one, I'll bring back part of an earlier quote from you....
QuoteI am not saying Gordon is defiantly in
Can you explain for me what "defiantly in" means?  Is that anything like "definitely in"?  Did they teach that to you at Gordon as well?

QuoteThere is no doubt in my mind that Gordon is not going to win a national championship, and there are probably 20 teams in the Midwest that have a better shot than anyone in NE, but the tournament is done regionally and the tournament committee is not going to be sending Midwest teams out to play in an eastern regional.  There probably are no championship caliber teams in the NE region but they aren't going to send all the pool C bids else where. 
So, you think that because the tournament is done "regionally," that means that they'll give out an equal number of spots to each region?  Um, nice try, but no.  All it means is that they compare teams within a region to determine most qualified teams.  When the NE committee meets on Sunday, they'll rank the teams most deserving of an at-large bid in that region.  Hoops is then right, they'll compare each region's number one, pick the best, then replace that region with their number two.  So in that way, it IS theoretically possible that all 18 at-large bids could come from the same region - won't happen, but in theory it would be possible (sort of like Communism).

Quote
To me that quote is as strong as a case for Gordon as anything else out there.
Stop being a loser fanboy and look at things objectively.  While regional record is one of the criteria for selection, it's just one piece to the entire puzzle.  Obviously, you haven't read the handbook, because if you did, you'd know that their regional ranking is only one element that will be evaluated.  Those primary criteria are (and, as the handbook states, NOT in preferential order):

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality-of-Wins-Index (only contests versus regional competition)
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/
selection process only.
• Conference postseason contest(s) is included.
• Contest versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count
in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings
and selection.

A little critical thinking then, for you, diesel....  If there's only 18 at-large bids for the entire country, what makes you think that the Northeast will get any more than two?  If there's eight regions, it would stand to reason that it would average out that each region could reasonably get two at-large bids and that the two strongest regions would get three.  I just don't see the Northeast being one of the strongest regions in the country, and I certainly don't see one of two at-large bids going to a team that lost in the semifinals AT HOME to a team it had already beaten TWICE.  Of course, don't forget this came just two days after they barely squeaked by a 9-16 team AT HOME.

Let me reiterate my point from earlier....
Quote from: cstrike on February 24, 2006, 10:48:09 AM
If Gordon does get in, I'll at least be man enough, unlike some of the Gordon fans who showed up on here in droves after knocking off all-powerful and traditional powerhouse Nichols, to come on here after the fact and admit I was wrong.

If I'm right, though.....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 24, 2006, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: cstrike on February 24, 2006, 08:01:21 PM
If Gordon does get in, I'll at least be man enough, unlike some of the Gordon fans who showed up on here in droves after knocking off all-powerful and traditional powerhouse Nichols, to come on here after the fact and admit I was wrong.

Quote

Cstrike...for someone who just started posting yesterday, I'm not sure how you can get on Gordon fans for posting after the nichols win.  Almost every poster that submitted something after that game follow this board.  I do like your use of the phrase "loser fanboy" though, lets see how more times you can use that in your posts when your describing Gordon posters (....wait for it, yup cstrike just replied and called me a loser fanboy).

I like CSC in tomorrows game, they're hittin their stride right now.  Hoops I agree with you, some team is gonna be pissed when they find out that they have to play CSC in the first round.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 24, 2006, 10:49:16 PM
First off, your last statement isn't a point, it's a statement. My point is I agree you are VERY manly to show up the end of the year and start talking tons of smack. You're a regular ol' john Wayne. Your bravado is certainly unmatched. I don't know many men who can anonymously come on a bulletin board, run their mouth, and still be man enough to admit they are wrong to a bunch of strangers. Even more impressive is that they will never be in contact with these people, nor after 10 minutes will these people even care. Bravo.

Second, I'm going to have to assume since you know anything about Colby-Sawyer women's bball, you are a rabid CSC supporter. Which, after the black kettle is off the phone with Diesel, he will probably call you too, fanboy. But I digress; I like the idea of thinking of you as someone on the selection committee. And I know you were a little stung when the Diesel leveled you with the comment about your safety school education, but it's pretty well known that these boards aren't the epitome of perfect grammar and spelling, nor does anyone hold them to such. Although, your dig on a misspelling is basically just what I would expect from a poster of your ilk. Know what I mean comma queen?

Lastly, I also wouldn't expect you to know this considering your investigatory skills seem to consist of only google and copy and paste, but all these "Gordon fanboys who showed up in droves" as you so eloquently put it in your raves, have been here since the season started. If anything this board was too populated with Gordon supporters. So Sherlock, I know you showed up after the CSC win, but GC did not.

If the favorites in the NESCAC and CSC win, I guarantee GC gets a bid.  But hey, if they don't, I will be man enough to show up and admit it.

But if they do............
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 24, 2006, 11:58:46 PM
Please... that entire conference is crap, top to bottom, men's and women's.  No matter which team gets in, they're just going to get run out of the tournament in the first round.  The conference is full of schools that charge far too much for a mediocre education.

Oh, and roy, there's this wonderful thing called the internet.  You see, you can find almost any information on there if you don't mind spending, oh, I don't know, about two minutes looking for it.  So to say I'm a rabid CSC supporter, you're just plain wrong - most of you people on this board wouldn't know a good team if you saw one.  If anything, I just can't stand Gordon - they're easily the most overrated team in the region.  I only pointed out the CSC women because you only know about CCC teams, so I figured I'd appeal to your lower intellect - you know, keep it simple, stupid.

All I know is, CSC better enjoy tomorrow, because it'll be a long time before they get back to this point.

Love how your perspective has already changed, though.  At first it was, Gordon's in.  Now, it's if the favorites in the NESCAC and CSC win, Gordon's in. 

Hmm.... maybe it's finally sinking in that Gordon's not that good....

Oh, and "safety school" chants are only used by those who are in one.  But you knew that already.

NE hoops is just plain awful.  It's too bad none of you will ever see anyone from the WIAC play.  Even the bottom feeders there would demolish the top teams from the NE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 25, 2006, 02:39:41 AM
I am not going to bash cstrike, that's been done.  Rather I have a simple question.  Why are you here?  No one enticed you here.  No one offended you and forced you to defend your manhood.  What is your purpose in coming to our posting site and causing chaos? 

Trust me, we all know the CCC is not a powerhouse, but that doesn't deter us from loving our teams, and willing them to a victory, or supporting them in a defeat. 

So what if GC sucks.  I guess sucky teams can still get into the tourney.  So what if they have to rely on other teams to get in, welcome to college basketball "at-large" bids. 

I don't know who you are, nor do I care.  But atleast respect the people who have enough respect to tolerate you and your sudden outburst.  And if you don't like the CCC because they suck so bad, go somewhere else, no one put a gun to your head and forced you to post.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2006, 08:07:52 AM
Preach! (You do have a good point 24)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 25, 2006, 11:10:58 AM
go badgers!

seriously, saftey schools? that whole conference is made up of mostly university of Wisconsin system schools. talk about commuting from home. i know this is a banner year for your little, little conference and you will probably spout off about how many teams you have in the illustrious D3 top 25 and so on and so on. i know that is why you are a bitter bear (or badger as the case may be) and somehow you think you are primetime and basically the Big East of d3. we've said it a million times, its d3, it's done regionally, i'm sure tons of d3 schools have legit complaints (besides your beloved cheese league) but that is the way it is. deal with it. why don't you just boost that little GPA of yours, tell the parents you are moving out, and head on down to madison so you can talk about real bubble dreams of the badgers.

either way it will be nice, as 24 opined, for you to crawl back to your WIAC and take your 0-15, 5-20 Superior team. but please do stick around for Sunday when Gordon gets invited to the dance (which they will). i'll love to see you 'man up.'

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2006, 11:22:31 AM

I did get to take a look at the Pool C selections from last year in comparison to the SOSI numbers.  It was very interesting.  Basically the seven bids last year went to the seven teams with the highest in-region winning percentage among the top 15 C candidates in QOWI.  Gordon is sitting pretty if they use similar criteria this time around.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 25, 2006, 12:51:54 PM
Well this board has become interesting all of a sudden, not that is hasn't been to the posters who have been here since October.  Well firstly I just got off the phone with the Black Kettle and I asked him what "defiantly" means and he told me, "Marked by defiance; boldly resisting."  Sorry that my typing failed my and when I spell checked I got screwed because defiantly is a word that is correctly spelled any way, let me use that in a sentence for you.  The regular posters on the CCC board are defiantly protesting cstrikes presence.

I digress, I was checking out the multi-regional topics board and I saw that Pat had posted the QOWI numbers through last night and here are the top 10.

1-10
Amherst     12.000     22-1
Lawrence    11.571    21-0
Worcester Polytech    11.091    19-3
Tufts    11.000    19-4
St. John Fisher    10.864    21-1
Mississippi College    10.833    23-1
Lincoln    10.813    12-4
Gordon    10.560    22-3
Trinity (Texas)    10.526    16-3
Virginia Wesleyan    10.481    24-3

Gordon is number 8 that is impressive.  I was thinking about tonight's game and looking at the numbers and I think aside from the obvious fact that Gordon and Endicott hate each other we want CSC to win from a numbers stand point.  Both EC and CSC stand at .667 in-region win percentages and with GC having split with EC and having gone 2-1 with CSC, CSC becomes the valuable of the two from a QOWI perspective.  Also I don't have the time or energy to go through all the factors the NCAA uses in selecting teams but as of right now GC sit with,

10.560 #8, in QOWI and a 22-3 or an 88% in-region win percentage.  Like I said, I am not sure about the rest but those are very strong numbers.

As for tonight's match-up George v Thorpe match-up may be one of the best all year, both players are playing out of their minds right now, Nemanja and St. Clair goes to St. Clair in my opinion, so I am saying it is going to come down to a back court battle, the dark horses for me are Ellis and Truncellito who ever helps his team the most, will hoist the CCC hardware.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 25, 2006, 01:26:30 PM
 well i for one think csc will win. i do like maq diesels thoughts about thorpe and george, it should be fun to watch. if st.clair can control the boards and bray and buttersworth play like they did thurs night and the bench fills in it should be no contest..i think the key to the whole games is going to be turnovers,the less means a win!!!!! oh ya, one added factor i like..st.clair as a rookie was a ccc win over ec for the championship,i know he wants to end his college playing the same way he started......
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on February 25, 2006, 04:28:38 PM
The men's championship game for tonight has been postponed until tomorrow (Sunday) at 2:00 p.m. at Endicott.  Snow between Colby-Saywer and Endicott has made travel dangerous.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 25, 2006, 09:25:56 PM
cstrike, I somewhat understand why you might be mad.  Your're right, they're are other confereneces that are alot better and Deserve more at large bids.  I agree.  But, why do you hate so much that Gordon might have a chance at getting in the tournament.  This could be the highlight of some of these kids D3 Basketball Careers.  And more importantly, who cares....Why do you care so much?  In a couple of years nobody will even remember who made the tournament or who didn't.  Who crapped in your cornflakes.
It is D3 basketball.  Making the NCAA tournament does not give you a ticket to having a good job, good family, good life when you graduate, now is it.  Twenty years from now when you encounter tough times (and I am not wishing that upon you, hopefully that does not happen to you) why not blame it on Gordon College taking that extra at large bid away from your school. 
Do you understand.  We are not ignorant of the fact of better schools.

Let me put it in lamen terms for you.  If you get offered a job paying $200,000/yr in a place that you want to be, are you going to tell the boss, "um, you should probably look for a kid from an Ivy League School".  No, if you have any balls you step up to the plate, and are greatful for the oppurtunity and make the most of it.

Are You Following.....So Yes there are better teams, yes you are smarter, get better looking girls, can bench more, but ...if Gordon gets the oppurtunity, they will make the most of it.

And if they get spanked by 20..30 so be it.   

Lastly I think you just need a hug.  It's ok.  If Gordon gettin into the NCAA is the worst thing you are dealing with right now in your life, then  you're doing ok.  Keep your head up. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 25, 2006, 09:54:52 PM
Hey did Gordon College cut somebody this year?  B/C somebody registered 2/23 at 8:30.   I called my good friend Jessica Fletcher and she said that was around the time that Gordon lost to CSC. 
I also don't think it's a person from the CCC B/C are you ready, cstrike.....what did the pharisees say about Jesus when he cast demons out of people? 2.  What did Jesus reply....Come on you can figure it out...couple minutes on the internet...Or simply using your reading comprehension skills...OR simply knowing a little bit about the most popular read book in the world. 

So, why would a week CCC conference, crap on a team getting, I believe, the first ever at large bid.

So what did you get cut.  Please tell....I'm so interested to find the root of fury.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac04 on February 26, 2006, 12:58:48 PM
Well Tufts won in OT against Trin. Amherst handled Bates by 20, yikes. I think things are looking for Gordon's chances. As for today, Endicott's played well in the playoffs, this should be a good game. If CSC's ahead at the break, I say they walk away with it. For those of you who happen to be at the game today, updates would be appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 26, 2006, 03:05:13 PM
Nope, can't say I got cut by Gordon, because first off, I used up my eligibility a long time ago.....  had a very good career playing at a real school.

Why do I hate Gordon so much?  Perhaps it's that "holier than thou" attitude they have about everything (yes, I realize that's a religious school, but that's no excuse).  Perhaps it's the fact that they pack their schedule with crap teams and hide their way into the tournament.  From looking at their schedules, Roger Williams, CSC and Endicott haven't ducked away from tough teams this year.  Sure, their records may not be all that sparkling, but that's how you earn respect.  Someone needs to put you Gordos back into your place.

My problem with them being awarded an at-large bid is that such a bid would be based on mediocrity, not on actual accomplishment.  The problem with the "national championship" is that it isn't actually that.  Instead of the best teams in the nation getting in, to go region by region, that simply penalizes those regions with actual ability.  The other issue that I have with it is by regionalizing the tournament games, you won't get to see just how far behind New England is compared to the rest of the country.  Sure, there's 3-4 good teams up there, but how does that compare to the Midwest or Great Lakes, where there's easily 20 teams in each region that are better teams.  Their only flaw is happening to be situated in a region with the class of the country.

Oh, and if anyone was confused by the astronomical cost of actually attending one of those institutions of lower learning, this isn't the Ivy League.  Proof of that is easily found with the lack of writing skill shown by some of Gordon's finest.  Way to represent your "fine" institution there, fellas.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 26, 2006, 03:31:27 PM
Cstirke your arguement is well put about basketball.  I agree that makes sense.  I also agree about the easy schedule and how it's not fair to CSC or EC.  Look at my earlier posts.  I called CSC beating Salve, Gordon, and EC.  My team is CSC.  Where did you play and when.  Did you play in NE? 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 26, 2006, 03:33:31 PM
I know who cstrike is!  He's that kid who got denied admittance to GC when he was a senior in H.S.

All he ever wanted to do was to go to GC and star as the best GC basketball player of all time.  Living in Ipswich, MA, cstrike new he was a shoe in for GC and their bball program.  All that was halted however, as his 2.31 gpa was laughed at by GC's admissions.

He was forced to go to the North Shore community college, because he didn't apply anywhere else. After being there for a year, the closest thing to GC was ENC.  So he made the trek to Boston, only to become the "other" Christian school in the CCC, or as I like to call it, the red headed step child.  There, for 3 years, he was forced to play against the team he grew up idolizing.  His failures were thrown in his face every time the two teams went at it. 

Now at the bitter age of whatever, cstrike is finally able to lash out at GC, through the most noble, and brave, and masculine way ever, by posting on D3hoops!  Here he is able to say all the things he has been wanting to say since the day that letter came in the mail that read, "Dear Tommy, we regret to inform you that your application has been denied." 

The hate inside has been bottled up for too long, now it must be released.  And there is no better place to let it flow, than on a site that contains people who have no influence in D3 basketball at all!  Cstrike is the smartest, most cunning poster to ever hit the CCC posting site.  He is so quick with his sarcastic remarks that everyone is forced to retreat to their homepage for fear of falling victim. 

Cstrike, congratulations, you are a douche bag!

Oh and uh by the way, where's your talk about GC not getting in anymore.  Apparently your ENC education has failed you once again, and all you are left with is the ability to cut down others in hopes of making them equal with you.  But hey, your life seems amazing, I know I speak for everyone when I say, we are jealous.  How's Dorchester treating you these days?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on February 26, 2006, 04:21:21 PM
ENDICOTT COLLEGE 65, COLBY-SAWYER COLLEGE 56
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 26, 2006, 04:29:09 PM
the clear difference was the George/Thorpe match up....Thorpe was held scoreless while George went for 22.  Ellis chipped in with a solid 12 points all from long range, and nemanja did his thing finishing with 16 points and 12 boards.

st clair finished with 14 and 11 leaving him i think 2 rebounds shy of 1,000....jeez gotta hope he gets 1 more game in their with an ECAC bid....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2006, 05:03:17 PM

Thorpe didn't play well and they went down.  I guess he really was the X factor.

Just a few short hours and we can see if Gordon does indeed make it into the field of 59.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 26, 2006, 05:05:27 PM
I think St. Clair only need 11 boards to reach a 1000 and he got that, but either way he will be playing in the ECAC and he should pack on a little more to his already impressive stats.  The difference in the EC v. CSC game was the outside shooting for CSC, it was not there.  George played well for EC and Ellis didn't play great but he hit some HUGE 3-pointers down the stretch that keep a charging CSC team at bay.  Thorpe could have not shown up and had a bigger impact for CSC.  Matt Spanos had a great game for CSC but that wasnt enough.  So some it up EC just played better and they are going dancing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2006, 05:17:09 PM

By my count he needed 13, but I'm sure he'll get into the ECACs, especially with Gordon and Endicott in the NCAA.

I liked how Bray seemed to step up in his last game, a shame these Seniors couldn't pull it out.

So for you guys who were there, did Thorpe just lay an egg or did EC find a way to shut him down?  It certainly looked like he got plenty of shots, but couldn't hit anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 26, 2006, 05:38:28 PM
St. Clair was 24 short before the Gordon game I think, and he had 13 vs GC and 11 today.  As for Thorpe he had open looks he just want hitting, EC did play great defence.  There was few minuet stretch where CSC was jacking up 3's, some open, some not and they were hitting nothing, they just shoot the ball poorly all day, as the numbers show.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 26, 2006, 05:39:55 PM
I'm running out to work all night.... if Gordon makes it in, I'll post my apology to you Gordos in the morning.

You know, so you don't think I'm hiding or anything....  Some of us actually have real jobs and have a real life.

Oh, and St. Clair was 26 short coming into the Gordon game.  Hoops is right, he's two short for now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2006, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: cstrike on February 26, 2006, 05:39:55 PM
I'll post my apology to you Gordos in the morning.

I want one too!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on February 26, 2006, 07:16:05 PM
According to Kevin Zeise he is indeed two shy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 26, 2006, 07:27:49 PM
"I'm running out to work all night"  Cstrike cmon buddy, what are you bussing tables at some local food chain....oh wait.. you're security cop or safety officer at some college.  And before you can ......that's right even if you were in California you'd still be working the night shift....Yeah I know, I am just bored.  But really, trying to figure out where you played. 

I mean you had to of played in NE somewhere.  Because if you are coming into this chat room, from another region, wow..you must have some serious time on your hands.

Cstrike after you finish your night shift at the town machine shop, please give us some hints where you played. 

24/7/365  I like your ideas...that's pretty funny.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 26, 2006, 08:28:00 PM
 was at the game and let me state this.."ec did win,they played better then csc" that said i also want to say that that was the worst three refs i  have ever seen in one game.they must go by the team name of
'three blind mice" they just stunk.......... and last and not least # 22 on ec is nothing but a big jerk.............
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 26, 2006, 10:35:09 PM
Put them shoes on your paws GC... WE'RE GOIN DANCEN'!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2006, 10:40:45 PM

An historic night, the CCC gets two teams into the NCAAs.  Only nine hours until we see the pairings.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 26, 2006, 10:47:26 PM
Even in GC's dark times this year, they find ways to shine.  The first CCC team ever to get a bid?!  You betcha!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on February 26, 2006, 10:49:46 PM
First to get a Pool C bid.  Be accurate. 

Congratulations to Coach Schauer and the entire team.  This will be fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 26, 2006, 11:05:39 PM
any idea on who the 8 for the ECAC tourney will be?

a few come to mind quickly...

Keene State (shoe-in)
Colby-Sawyer
Roger Williams
Rhode Island College
Wheaton
Salem State
Husson

others?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on February 26, 2006, 11:07:30 PM
I don't believe that the NESCAC schools declare for ECAC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 26, 2006, 11:10:09 PM
valid point im an idiot... haha thank you
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on February 26, 2006, 11:16:59 PM
hey john i am #22 on ec...explain to me how i am a jerk...because i got punched and i reacted...yea thats how im a jerk....basically all i got to say is that we won 3 championsips in a row....o yeah okay well thats great....i guess we will have to rep the conference in the ncaas....and while im at it....i will say props to st. clair for his upcoming 1000 rebounds
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 26, 2006, 11:26:51 PM
Well, the excitment is over, at least for 21 hours until the pairings come out.  I found the post-season awards were up on the  CCC web site so here they are.

POY and Senior Scholar Athlete- Andrew St. Clair, CSC

ROY- Todd Doyle, WIT

COY- Mike Schauer and (Jeremy Martin), Gordon College

Sportsmanship Award
- ENC and GC

First Team

Matt Coute, Salve Regina
Raheim Lamb, Curry
Nemanja Marinkovic, Endicott
Jon Marstaller, Gordon College
Andrew St. Clair, CSC

Second Team

Geoff Baranger, RWU
Matt George, Endicott
Justin Kaufman, Gordon
Justin Lewis, Nichols
Matt McManus, UNE

Honorable Mention (Third Team)

Colin Bray, CSC
Matt Grendal, Salve Regina
Mike Herr, Gordon
Sherrad Prezzie-Blue, WIT
Chris Vallee, Nichols

A good year what do people think of the awards, I think Kaufman could have been a 1st teamer and Vallee and Lewis of Nichols could have switched spots but over all those are pretty good teams.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 26, 2006, 11:29:33 PM
Just to clairify anything in () I added and is not officially from the CCC web site, just giving a little props.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on February 26, 2006, 11:33:48 PM
ALL I CAN SAY IS IM WASTED RIGHT NOIW AND LOBVING IT!!  MUST BE CAUSE EC WON TH E CONFERENCE CAHMPIOOPJNSHIPT!   eC WHAT WHAT, EC'S STARTING 5 SHOULD BE THE FIRST TEAM.....I LOVE THAT ALL YOPEOPLE THOUGHT CSC WOULD KILL EC...I WOULD LIKE TO SWEAR AT YALL YOU RIGHT NOW BUT INSTEAD ILL HAVE, HOW DO YOU SAY INTERCOURSE WITH ALL YOUR SISTERS....F$%@ YOU ALL IM OUT!  dR WILY IS MY DRUNK HBERO AND NOW IM GOING TO BED
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 26, 2006, 11:47:12 PM
that is awesome.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 26, 2006, 11:50:50 PM
I'm not sure, but tonight could be the best night ever.  GC received the first at-large bid in CCC history, something CSC and EC (they just win, what's fun about that) have never done.

gsmizzle22 justifies punching a person.  And hid behind his coach after that took place so as to avoid St. Clair ending his career.

Then we have the EC fans showing up in their true form, just to reassure us that, yes, in fact, EC admissions prides themselves on allowing the crem-del-la-crem of societies youth degenerate population to come to their facility and be transformed into the flat out degenerates of society.  Maybe I was wrong about cstrike.  Maybe he went to EC, and not ENC like I had stated previously.

Whatever the answer is, it doesn't change the fact that GC made the tourney, they are going to be a higher seed than EC (knock on wood) and they are going to try and make more history by winning an NCAA tourney game.

My soul is rejuvenated!  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 27, 2006, 12:38:53 AM
wow what is with the EC hatred?  So EC kids know how to have fun when we win championships.  I don't know if one hilarious post by a drunk fan makes all the other EC kids "degenerates" but apparently to Gordon fans anyone who drinks is a terrible person who is probably going to hell. Sorry if we have fun on campus.

I congratulate Gordon on making it to the NCAAs but I still won't see a banner hanging up in your gym next season.  Oh well guess we have to live with that and our new banner that says CCC Champions.  That will look mighty nice.

I know this is my first post, but I have been following this website for quite some time now.  I didn't want to have to post like this but following all the pro-Gordon posts lately I've decided it was time to step in. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2006, 01:00:01 AM
Congrats to the champs, EC.  Also to CSC, they had to overcome a lot just to get to the finals.  In my opinion, they would be a better team to represent the CCC in the tourney than Gordon.   But that's ok, Gordon can have their one and done.

As far as conference awards go, the coaches did a good job this time, except for the 1st and 2nd team selections.  The 1st team squad is correct, except for Marstaller being on it.  Don't get me wrong, he's having a pretty good year, but Lewis should have been in his spot mainly because he is the main threat on Nichols.  Also Prezzie-Blue should have been second team.  This kid can't get any respect even from the coaches.  He's a very tough matchup for anyone in the league and coaches know that if they can stop Blue, then they can stop WIT.  He also plays exceptional defense on a team that was last in defense.

Good luck to EC, hopefully they can represent the CCC well.  Congrats to St. Clair as well, truly a CCC great.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc #1 player on February 27, 2006, 01:09:27 AM
I LOVE SULOKAOSKY...THE GIRL ON THE FRONT PAGE OF D3HOOPS.COM  SHES HOOOOTTTTTTT
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 27, 2006, 08:31:48 AM
Hey gordon - or should I call you Alex? - I work in a hospital, not some all-night diner, but thanks for caring.

Congratulations to the Gordon fans.  I guess I can't complain too much, you guys used the system to your advantage, which probably makes you smarter than those coaches who actually tried to play someone.  Still, if the system's set up to only look at wins and losses and to ignore who you actually played, then more power to you for taking advantage of it.

Thing I don't get is that back at the beginning of the season, all the buzz was about Colby Sawyer getting one of the C bids because of their tough schedule.  While they certainly don't deserve one - no offense to john, because Andrew certainly pulled his weight this season - the prevailing thought was that loading up on the schedule was the way to go. 

Sorry for doubting you, Gordon fans....  still, I shudder to think what long term effects this will have on the conference and scheduling.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 08:39:36 AM

At the beginning of the season, we expected CSC to win a bunch of those early games, games they should have been able to win.  They lost their C bid all by themselves back in December.

We're still waiting to see the match-ups, I love NCAA time.

EC's always been known for having awful fans, and I'm not just saying that out of personal opinion.  I do have a letter from a faculty member at EC apologizing for the behavior of their student section in the playoffs a few years back.  I mean it is something to be known for, just either be proud of it or do something to change it.

Regardless, they won the game and the tourney spot and I'm sure they will show up to play.  I hope the NESCAC schools decide to remain out of the ECAC so St Clair can get his last two rebounds.  We should find out about that later today as well.

I still can't believe they don't do the All-Conference team by position?  Three forwards and a center?  Who are they kidding?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 08:49:28 AM

Gordon plays Utica in the first round at WPI.  Endicott gets Tufts in the first round out in Cortland.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 27, 2006, 09:16:39 AM
Hoops or anyone else that is in the know, how good is this Utica team, and when will we know times and dates of the games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 09:28:26 AM
First round games for both Gordon and Endicott will be Friday at their respective locations.  EC fans better start driving now.


Utica is pretty good.  Half their losses came to St John Fisher (by 9, 12 and 13).  Other than that, it's hard to tell just how good they are.  They beat Hamilton, when Hamilton was really on form, but that was still back in early January.  Your big problem is going to be size match-ups.  They have no one on the roster shorter than 6'1".  They have three seniors and four juniors.  However, the only guys over 6'4" are both freshmen and really skinny.  Bryant, a 6'4" guard is their leading scorer.  A lot of their points come from the guards.  I think if Marstaller can stay out of foul trouble and play tough in the post, GC has a decent chance at it.  They will have to hit their threes and Herr (he's the quickest guy with size) will probably have to be the one to shut down Bryant.  Utica is a rediculous three point shooting team (like four or five guys shooting over 40%).  This might be a match-up of similar styles.  If Marstaller can dominate inside, I think GC really has a shot at it and at a second round match-up with WPI.

As for EC, they know what to expect from Tufts.  I think Tufts is the second best team in the region to Amherst.  EC will have to play even better than they did against CSC to even have a chance in this one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: EC Fan on February 27, 2006, 09:34:18 AM
Have to hope that EC is well prepared seeing that Coach Millette spent some time on the sidelines at Tufts a few years back.

Should be a great game!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 27, 2006, 09:38:41 AM
Cstike, amazing....did you play at EC or CSC?  You and your dam captain crunch decoder ring.  No hard feelings about the diner, just making jokes. 

Hey congrats to EC and Gordon and good luck.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 09:40:04 AM
EC fans comen' out of the wood work.  Must be closen' time at the bars.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 27, 2006, 11:56:16 AM
anyone know when the ECAC teams are confirmed?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 12:30:22 PM
They will be announced sometime today.  In fact the women's is already out, with both Nichols and EC making it in.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hugenerd on February 27, 2006, 12:39:20 PM
You can find the brackets updated as they are released at :

www.ecac.org
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hugenerd on February 27, 2006, 01:11:12 PM
The New England Region has been announced:

1. Keene State
2. MIT
3. Emmanuel
4. Rhode Island College
5. Coast Guard
6. Wheaton
7. Plymouth State
8. Colby Sawyer

You guys were right about the NESCAC schools not participating.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 01:21:49 PM

St Clair will get his chance at 1,000 boards.  Also, a game vs Keene is going to be a grudge match.  I can't see CSC dropping this one.

These guys have worked so hard over the last three weeks to get back on form, with the seniors leaving and having nothing to lose, I bet this game will be quite entertaining.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 27, 2006, 02:36:35 PM
ok enough about the NIT? don't get me wrong i'm more than happy for St. Clair---he deserves 1,000 and all the pub he can get--he is the face of CCC. but lets get some talk going about the Dance? i mean it's the first time EVER we have two CCC schools.

i like GC's chances against Utica. I second Hoops in that this is a perfect team for GC. they match up real well and play similar styles. i think Bryant is a 'can't stop hope to contain' type of thing as he is probably the most athletic player they have faced this year. which to me is fine because one guy won't be able to win this game. their games against St. John's are somewhat impressive, but i think alot of that has to do with the fact they are rivals. i'm sure both coaches know each of the systems well and the rivarly factor probably contributed to close games. not saying Utica isn't good, but not sure if their games against St. John's are the best indicator. also, as you said, no one is really taller than 6'4, so this should help Marstaller (though not sure how athletic their inside guys are because that is what would help them defend Jon the most) and Herr who can play back to the basket and is a good leaper. Kaufman is smaller, but strong and very quick, so i don't think he will have a problem. he knows how to score and is quick on defense to make up for some lapses in height. i really think one of the strong suits for GC this season has been their defense, especially with guard play. granted in the last two games GC has basically got run, but if they recapture that form they will beat Utica. travel also favors GC, though not sure how big of a deal that will be. you have to hope that the extra practice time will let Schauer get everything tightened up.

want to thank all the EC fans for giving us some insight on the team this year. 

and please don't come with PB&J not getting any respect; last year he clearly upset Marstaller for ROY
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 02:55:25 PM

The only problem I see with GC-Utica is whether the Utica guys will be able to just pull up and shoot over the Gordon defenders.  If they've got 6'4" guys taking threes, it will be tough to stop them (especially since they have a lot of shooting options to choose from).  It's winnable and I'm picking GC out of loyalty to the CCC.  Let's hope they represent well.  No CCC men's team has ever won an NCAA game, so this would be another big step for the league.

I can't say I'll take EC over Tufts though, sorry guys.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 03:01:08 PM
Both EC and GC have very good shots at moving on in the tourney.  EC definitely has the bigger Gauntlet to get through in that of Tufts, but after talking to a bunch of people in the know, this SHOULD be, blow for blow, one of the best first round match-ups in the tourney.  Tufts is playing as good as any team right now, and if EC can get back into early season form, sparks have the possibility of flying.  Gotta love the fact that two teams, 45 minutes away from each other, have to travel 6 hours to play.

GC is a little different.  This Utica team is an unknown.  They weren't on d3's "in" list, but that doesn't mean a whole lot, because they are still a formidable opponent.  The 4 hour bus ride may not be the best thing for this team, but I doubt it will give GC that great of an edge.  But I think the thing the works in GC's favor, is that right now, everything they do from here on out is icing on the cake.  Here's a team, that has never been to the tourney, led by sophomores and juniors, who are just going to enjoy their experience, and try to make some ripples in the tourney if they can. 

The team hasn't practiced, worked out, or picked up until since Thursday, but the time off has relaxed them, and gave them a good reprieve from the basketball mindset for a few days.  I have to find out more about Utica before I make any predictions, whatever the case though, we should have a good showing from our beloved CCC teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 03:06:25 PM
OK 24, your driving pattern has got me confused.

Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 03:01:08 PM
Gotta love the fact that two teams, 45 minutes away from each other, have to travel 6 hours to play.

It's only 20 miles, all highway, unless you're going at rush hour, it would be difficult to take 45 minutes to get there.

Then we get this one:

Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 03:01:08 PM
The 4 hour bus ride may not be the best thing for this team, but I doubt it will give GC that great of an edge. 

If you can get from Wenham to Utica in four hours, on a bus, that might be some sort of land speed record.  You might be able to do it in 4 hours in a Honda Civic, if the State Police looked the other way.  That's a five hour bus trip, if its anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 27, 2006, 03:11:48 PM
Hoops,

It is 4 hrs for Utica to Worcester not to wenham.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 03:15:06 PM

Oh, right  I don't know what I was thinking.  I guess too many drives across Upstate New York makes you lose your mind.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordon on February 27, 2006, 03:29:27 PM
Hey what you guys think about Norwich against Elms.   Gordon plays Utica, Endicott plays on of the better teams in the Nescac and ....Norwich against Elms...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: gordon on February 27, 2006, 03:29:27 PM
Hey what you guys think about Norwich against Elms.   Gordon plays Utica, Endicott plays on of the better teams in the Nescac and ....Norwich against Elms...

They give conference winners the benefit of the doubt sometimes.  I don't know what to say.  Although I'm picking Elms in the upset.


Honestly, even if it is a lesser known squad, I would not want to be in one of those Thursday games.  Whoever wins-Hamilton, Plattsburgh, Norwich or Elms, will all have to travel on Friday.  The shortest drive is three hours for any of those teams (Hamilton to Amherst).  I'd rather go and be there for both games than have to travel in between.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Clark Basketball on February 27, 2006, 03:49:18 PM
"No CCC mens team has ever won an NCAA tourney Game"

Anna Maria under Paul Phillips went to the "Sweet Sixteen"
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 04:11:00 PM

Low and behold, Anna Maria beat Babson and Salem State in 1996.

I'm checking to see if they were in the CCC at that point, but they did indeed win those games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 04:31:09 PM
Anna Maria was in the CCC when they made their "title" run back in 1996.  Hopefully we can meet or better that feat this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 04:34:10 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 04:31:09 PM
Anna Maria was in the CCC when they made their "title" run back in 1996.  Hopefully we can meet or better that feat this year.

They must have been really good.  The CCC wasn't guaranteed a bid back then and rarely got one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on February 27, 2006, 09:03:40 PM
I think that discussion comes up every year (atleast the past three or four).  Someone says that the CCC has never won in the NCAA's and then someone points out that Anna Maria used to actually have a good team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 27, 2006, 09:46:15 PM
The CCC had an autobid in 1995 (Salve Regina), 1996 (Anna Maria), and 1997 (Wentworth).  The bid was taken away in 1998 (Wentworth would have gone again) and 1999 (Roger Williams would have gone) and then given back when they instituted the autobids across the board.  Of course, during this time, the men played in the Northeast region, while the women (who didn't lose their bid in 1998) were classified in the Atlantic region.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/basketball/m_basketball_champs_records/2005/2005_m_basketball_champ_record.pdf

Good luck to all the CCC teams playing this week/weekend!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 10:34:26 PM
The link is for DII.  Not much help for us in the DIII realm. 

By the way, anyone interested in listening to Hoopsville, put on by the fabolous men of D3hoops.com, GC's Coach Schauer will be on during their show tomorrow from 8-11pm.  I'm not sure what time he will be on, maybe Pat Coleman can give us some light there, but if not, I will find out tomorrow and post it as well.  Even if you aren't a GC fan, Schauer's interview will be good PR for the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 27, 2006, 10:53:55 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 10:34:26 PM
The link is for DII.  Not much help for us in the DIII realm. 

There is a whole section on Division III.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 27, 2006, 11:09:26 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 10:34:26 PM
The link is for DII.  Not much help for us in the DIII realm. 

That's typical of a Gordon fan.... they know it all, even when they don't know jack.  Maybe if you'd stop acting like you know it all and listen to someone every once in a while, you might learn something.

Thanks for the link, Bill.  Good information there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 27, 2006, 11:58:27 PM
Does that mean we should be listening to you.  A 20 something under achiever, who is so blatantly jealous of anything GC, his only action is to try and cut it down just to make himself, and his pathetic life feel better.  Who was so adamant that GC wouldn't get in.  There was no way they could get in.  It would never happen, ever.  Guess what dude, WE'RE IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT!!! 

All you are doing now is making yourself look like a jackass, which, if my calculations are correct is probably the proper image of you in your janitors outfit.  Where's that apology we have all been waiting for?   

Hey cstrike, cool job at the hospital, way to put it out there like you might be a doctor, but cleaning catheters isn't exactly brain surgery. 

I'm sure you have been reading post after post, year after year, waiting to pick the right moment in which to pounce on GC and their fans at their weakest time.  But just like every other aspect of your life, it never seems to work out. 

It's no different than your high school girlfriend dumping you for your life.  It's like when your high school girl friend broke up with you for your best friends dad.  Or why your mom always favored your little brother Timmy just that much more. 

Face it dude, you are nothing but a natural born loser, who gets his jolly's off by starting a ruckus on a D3 basketball site.  I'll bet after every post, you sit back in your chair, with that smug look of contentment, and marvel at your posting master piece.  Because lets face it, if you didn't have D3, you'd only have your inflatable doll Nancy, and she can't even stand you. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 28, 2006, 12:34:05 AM
wow who cares what cstrike says. Just ignore him.

I think you are making yourself out to look more like an idiot by feeling like you have to retaliate for everything he says.  Sorry that you feel the need to take offense to everything because you go to Gordon or something.

ps. Its great to see that you were undefeated at home during the regular season, getting the first seed in the tournament, winning by 1 on a questionable call in round 1 at home and having the student section storm the court for a win over a much lower seed, losing by double digits to CSC, and then praying all day sunday in church for an at large bid.

If you want to come to a banner ceremony ours will be in the fall.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 28, 2006, 12:36:54 AM
wow. tough day for 24, on 24 day, no less. first people are in his grill about how fast you can drive 93 and storrow (and ps 20 miles doesn't equal 20 minutes when going to Boston please be cogno) and now the kid gets railed for not finding a topic in a 130 page document.

c'mon halo, you're better than that. dont jump on a mistake like that to get your potshots at GC. the document was 78 pages long at best; maybe the kid didn't have adobe acrobat. c'mon, you're better. you said your peace early, were wrong, and then promised to be a man about it. it's over. let it alone. go get the pom pom's cleaned and go wish your precious Stevens Point well for a repeat. it's okay to leave the CCC. i'm as happy as anyone to see some new posters on here (especially when we get some people in the know from schools outside the big three) and the new excitement is cool, but you're better than to take cheapies GC using something as small as that. you're reaching now. i guess i always had hoped better from you. i thought you were the chosen one...

and you can leave the garbage at home, what with the "great job Bill, thanks for that insightful, hard to find info!!!" we all know ya faking it to make your point look better. i mean about two days ago you had us believing you wrote the NCAA handbook. please don't pawn off being impressed by something i know you stumbled on when you were googling all of NCAA.org. the kid hit the records tab on the homepage and voila, it's all right there. wasn't hard. i know you know that, mister fact checker.

it's over. GC's in. let it go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 28, 2006, 01:15:07 AM
sorry you take offense to alcoholism just cuz you go to Endicott or something.

ps. it was great to see all the fair weather EC fans "pack" the Post center come tourney time again. i mean there had to be at least 5-6 dudes packing the sideline, hootin and hollerin'---i mean really deafening. and they were all painted with their favorite player's jersey number. now that is intimidation. we used to do it high school too, except...only the chicks did it...and they would paint the number of the player they were dating....but...no, i mean hey it's the 2000's dude i can dig it. man crushes are in nowadays. who wouldn't want to wear the jersey of a classmate?!?!?!

seriously, next year Red, when you are done hanging your banner (and dude that ceremony is gonna be AWESOME---i bet they give away two domino's pizzas and maybe Jeremy Currier can hoist it up!!!!) try and post before the season over. i think you could add alot to the board. it is too easy when all is said and done. oh yah, and also if your "student section" wants to stand at all during the games, skip pickel'd one night and come to the Bennett for the road tilt, or i don't know basically make noise it would be greatly appreciated. it gets old making more noise than you @ the Post and having the AD come control your bird.

have a long ride home from one and done in NY. that will be 0-4. nice. do they have banners for that?

also, i understand most of the posters trying to knock GC down with the "way to charge the court" have limited to no basketball knowledge....but maybe they happend across this game; let me set the stage: you have the best fans in the world, the #1 team in the land vs the unranked, worst in conference team, early in the season, and a miracle finish. and look what happend. oh my! crazies charging the court? act like you been there DUKE!


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 28, 2006, 01:46:31 AM
First of all there is nothing wrong with a little drinking. I do not take offense to that.  What college doesn't?  Go to almost any school and attend a pregame party or even the after game parties, we have fun.

That is not the point.  We are here to talk basketball.  Did you even attend the championship game?  We had more than 5 or 6 fans on the sidelines.  I went to the Gordon-CSC game and the fans were just standing there, they weren't loud at all.  Who cares if someone paints their body, I see that as dedication.  Fans all around the country paint their bodies for their games.  Yellow tee shirts? Please.  I think body paint is an art and takes a lot more time than putting on a tee shirt.

The bar jokes are getting pretty old.  I think most of the EC fans find it funny. Who cares if we drink.  It gets old making more noise than us?  Ya it worked this year when we beat you by 15 at our gym and when at your gym on your home floor you blew a 20 point lead with all this "noise".  We have no control over the AD so I can't respond to that.

Banner for 0-4?No? NCAA appearances?Yes and that is three in a row.  Banners for third place for finish and number one seed?Nope they do not.

Ok so I may have been a little wrong with the charging the court.  Apparently it gave you a huge boost for the next game.  If you were at the EC game it seemed as though the fans were a little hesitant to charge the floor because it gets quite old year after year after year.(thats three in a row)

I thought you got respect for winning championships but apparently that is not enough.  I don't know what EC has to do to earn it but apparently 3 straight doesn't speak for itself like it used to.  When the Jordan-era Bulls won three in a row, and the Kobe-Shaq Lakers won three in a row, weren't they respected? I am not saying we have shaq, kobe, or jordan on our team, or any NBA prospects we are simply looking for respect.

Now lets just stop the bickering and look forward to a great weekend of basketball.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on February 28, 2006, 02:55:09 AM
First off, 24, the apology is there.  But since you go to Gordon, I guess you don't know how to read.

And roy, I'm sure our boy 24 does have Acrobat since he so ignorantly observed that the link was "only DII."  Funny thing is, he'd have to go at least halfway through that to find out that, since it started with DI and had DIII stuff in the back.

I gave your Scots your props, right?  So what's your point?

My point is that while I understand your pride for your schools and for your conference, it's one thing to simply make the tournament.  It's a completely different thing to expect to get in, and expect to win multiple games in the tournament.  From Bill's link (which I didn't stumble across when searching for the championship handbook - and if it's that easy to find, why didn't our boy 24 find it?), the last time that a non-NESCAC team made the final four was UMass-Dartmouth in 1993.  Clark's the last non-NESCAC team to make the national championship game, all the way back in 1987.

The CCC and New England basketball in general is a joke.  My problem is that there's better teams in other parts of the country that are getting screwed out of an opportunity to show what they can do on a national level.  I'm sure the NESCACs don't mind the current setup, since it gets them an easy path into the real games every year.

So the CCC gets two bids.... show us that they're deserving of two bids by actually doing something with the chance that's been given.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 28, 2006, 09:12:07 AM
Enough is enough already, lets talk some intellegent basketball before the week is over.  At one point I remember hoops fan saying this was his favorite board because it was all basketball and none of the garbage that has flooded the board in recent days.  "AnECfan" had a good point that lets just pay no attention cstrike all together, EC fan that is something we can agree on.  Roy we don't need to justify rushing the court after winning the game against Nichols, rushing the court is not something we descided on before the game it was spur of the moment, and it was great but its over and we need to move on.  From here on out if you are a regular poster on this board don't respond to cstrike if he pisses you off, its not funny and it is a waste of time.  This board should be for supporters of the schools of the CCC and people that want to talk and inquire intellegently about them.

So, here are some questions that might get us back on the right track of talking bball and not smack.  What do people think of the All-CCC selections?  What are peoples thoughts on the CCC winning a game in the NCAA for the first time in 10 years?  How good are these NY schools that our teams have to (Utica) or might have to play (Cortland St.)?  And although we still have three teams playing, CSC in the ECAC, and we have little information about possible recruiting classes, what will the league look like next year and who are some real early favorites?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 09:21:47 AM

Thanks for chiming in, Bill.  I did some research of my own yesterday to see exactly what the CCC has looked like over the years.  I knew there were some very good teams that got left out of the NCAAs in the 90's because there was no AQ and the CCC didn't have much of a rep.  I wasn't aware that we had an AQ for a while.

FYI: Original CCC members still in the confernece: AMC, WIT, Curry, Salve.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on February 28, 2006, 11:07:04 AM
 i would like to take this time to wish gc and ec good luck. i hope they both do well and show the other conferences that they ccc is not anybodys doormat. the ccc is close to getting the respect that they should have and i hope these two teams do us all well......also to csc in the ecac, go as far as you can and good luck........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 28, 2006, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on February 28, 2006, 09:12:07 AM
So, here are some questions that might get us back on the right track of talking bball and not smack.  What do people think of the All-CCC selections?  What are peoples thoughts on the CCC winning a game in the NCAA for the first time in 10 years?  How good are these NY schools that our teams have to (Utica) or might have to play (Cortland St.)?  And although we still have three teams playing, CSC in the ECAC, and we have little information about possible recruiting classes, what will the league look like next year and who are some real early favorites?

From a Utica alum, I think the game between GC and UC will be a good, close game (closer than I'd like to admit!)

Utica, while 21-6 this season, has an unfortunate problem with not being able to win big games on the road in recent years. Just ask St. John Fisher, who we lost to all three times this year, twice at Fisher. Not knowing your team's lineup all that well, I can say that you need to watch for Ray Bryant and Justin Cichon. They both were named to the E-8 first team and Cichon is the #2 scorer in league history, with over 1,500 points.

However, if GC tries to double Cichon or Bryant, other players can hurt you. Willie Lucas, Doug Herring, and Dennis Munch are just three of the options UC uses to outpoint the competition.
We (as an alum! I get goofed on for saying we on other boards) have good three-point shooting, if UC can shoot 50 percent from three, GC may have a tough time.
Also, I see that GC tries to keep games in the 50-60 point range, and UC likes to run and gun, so if we can get off to a fast start and put up 25 points in the first 10 minutes, it could be over quickly.
Good luck to GC, hopefully UC wins, but this is one fan's HONEST opinion of what could happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 11:31:41 AM

Just to keep you in the know budcrew.  GC can run with people, but they do have a pretty good lock down defense.  They also have bunch of shooters and one quickly developing big man.

I think these teams are really very similar. (The low scoring comes from the rest of the CCC generally being bruisers).  It should be a very fun game to see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 28, 2006, 11:56:35 AM
props to EC winning three straight conference tourneys. that is a tough feat, especially in d3. much respect. they did it with a new coach this year, and i think have truly cemented themselves as one of the better programs in the Northeast. GC won the conference regular season title, and thus earned a better bid to the dance. no worries, both are in, it's great for the CCC.

cstrike, that is fine i agree with your simple point. new england college basketball isn't as good at any division with that of the rest of the country. we have our UConn's, our bryants, or williams, and our amherst, but overall we can't match up (haha--unless you are talking about women's basketball but digress into realms no one talks about). this is simply because there aren't as many new england schools; it is not a tough concept to grasp---more teams-more chances to win. so, i'm fine with that. if that was your only point for spouting off, then i wish you could have saved us all the headache. bravo. right now the CCC is a conference where teams main goals are to win the CCC, make the dance, then see what happens. in that order. that is the way it is and we like it. we are a small conference and realize our chances aren't good when stacked up against the best in the land. but as you watch championship week next week on ESPN, you will see the same thing in D1. kid's dreams just go to dancin'. maybe that will change down the road; we'll see. so back to the WIAC, debate which of those teams has the best final four chance. we have fun seeing if we can get in the way of a tufts or utica and just enjoy the experience and exposure. and maybe, just maybe, hope one of the teams in this year's field can pull an Anna Maria. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 11:58:51 AM

Most of the small schools in NE are d3, which is not the case in other parts of the country.  That is one reason why we seem to suffere versus Midwest schools.  If all those crappy NAIA teams out there were in d3, all the regions would be just as full of bottom-feeders.


You are right , Roy, the NE has to fight a lot of basketball prejudice and do more to prove themselves.  Let's hope this year is another step for the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 28, 2006, 11:59:35 AM
Great work Hoops.  Let's just hope GC can play better than they have in their last 2 and a half games.  I don't know what it is but the last three or four years GC has just run out of gas at the end of the year.  Maybe they should let Deluca play a little more.  In the CSC game, GC made a little run when he finally got into the game.  He brings a lot of energy and hustle.  I just don't think Coach Schauer likes to put in young players even if they have contributed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 28, 2006, 12:16:20 PM
agree the CCC has its best chance ever in the first 1st round. EC can def hang with Tufts. They have hung with alot of similar schools this year; beating bates, staying with WPI, Hamilton, and Amherst. They are tested and definitely capable of the upset.

Gordon and Utica seems to me to be an even match up, with one team (Utica) likes to get out and run, vs a team like Gordon who is bruising on defense and slows the tempo a bit. So, it looks like whoever can force the other to play their style will probably win. Again, good chance for GC to win. Wouldn't be surprised if both teams were left after 1st round.

some glaring omissions i felt from the All-Conf teams.

Stickney from UNE needed to be on a team. he averaged 12 and 9 good for 15th and 2nd in the league respectively. He was also second in blocked shots, and honestly the fact he isn't on a team is revolting.  

Jaziri from NEC was 7th in the league in scoring. It appears statistically he didn't do too much else, but he could have gone either way being on a team or not.

And Jasmin from ENC should have got a good look as well. He led the conference in FG%, averaging 12 and 5.

I would say Bray doesn't deserve to be anywhere near a team. Grendal would be the one i switch with any of the other two i listed. but not necessarily. And I think George you could flip flop with Coute on the 1st and 2nd teams, as Matty turned it on late and really did for 2+ years.

ultimately, like Hoops, i wish they picked the best 3 at each position (or close enough) for all the teams, rather than the top 15 players.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 28, 2006, 12:20:29 PM
akirk, Deluca is good but his defence is lacking, much improved but still suspect at times.  As for Scahuer not liking to play young kids, what was last year an aberration.  I just think he is a defensive minded coach and he is going to play the best players at a position and Deluca although exciting and athletic is not there yet.  But don't be suprised if he sees some minuets especially if this Utica team is athletic as I am hearing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 28, 2006, 12:29:14 PM
kirk,

good point about Deluca. He did provide that spark off the bench on Thursday. However, I think it was more a case of just no one else on GC could get anything going. i don't agree that Schauer doesn't play his bench, Thursday he was looking for any spark he could get. plus, ultimately you have go to with what you got you there.

Schauer's first two years they really didn't have any bench and i while i somewhat agree Beebe and Co, and then later Hayes and Smith might have got a little tired and banged up toward the end, he really didn't have any choice. those teams weren't deep. this year's team is very deep and i think you will see some Deluca. Beebe (he did lead the league in 3pt% albeit a smaller sample size) and Schanks of the world will come off the bench first though. they have a little more experience. the only thing to watch as well, particularly with this matchup is that Deluca's D is not quite on the college level yet. so you have that trade off. and with the guard play at Utica appearing to be very strong with two all conference players, i don't think Gordon will be able to hide him and thus i think Deluca will not see more than a few 'sniper' minutes
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 28, 2006, 12:33:15 PM
I do not know much about the Tufts match up at all but I do know that EC has hung with the tough teams as Roy previously mentioned.  I also know that Matt George is playing out of his mind and hopefully he can keep it up.  I do not believe he was putting up these numbers when they hung with those teams. So we'll just hope for the best, although EC seems to be clicking right now.

I know very little about the GC matchup either but I do know that Gordon looks like they can run, I am just limited to the number of games that I have seen.

I don't think comparing conferences is a valid argument.  There is no way to tell if they are a superior conference or not out west.  I think the CCC does pretty well and that the top teams such as Colby-Sawyer, Endicott, and Gordon do well by playing a tough out of conference schedule.  It should only be a matter of time before all of this balances out and that the NE regions catches up with the west.

These are just my feelings/opinions and I honestly do not know much about the midwest teams. I just think its not a valid argument to compare conferences that never play eachother.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 28, 2006, 12:38:51 PM
Roy one thing about Utica having all-conference players.  One the Empire 8 is a better conference than the CCC but it is an 8 school league.  Gordon, CSC or EC could very well have two first teamers if we dropped 4 teams out.  Anyway should be a good one.  Does anyone know when EC, Tufts and Utica might travel?  Are they going out a day early or will they arive on friday?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 28, 2006, 12:41:01 PM
not to stray...but caught this tidbit on college gamenight gym gems. i guess it was on sportscenter, too. depauw U hit a 61 foot shot to win their SCAC conf championship. the video and the shot are pretty amazing....and they have the best shot of some lady in the audience like nearly fainting becaue her team lost that way. the audio is pretty good too. pure elation. gotta love d3!

you can see the video http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=17145
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on February 28, 2006, 12:49:58 PM
not sure if i agree with that assessment diesel. usually first teams are litterd with only the best players from the top teams, no matter how big the conference. i understand your point but bryant is a man child unlike anyone i think GC has seen. not sure on Cichon, but brewcrew says he is the second all-time leading scorer with 1,500. however, that begs the question; is that empire 8 that much better? i mean not go to just on pts scored but 1,500 is that much when you think about it. ultimately i don't really think the empire 8 is that much better than CCC. i mean utica has never been to the dance either. granted St. Johns is probably the best program in either conference by far, but after you throw out the bottom 4 of the CCC, i bet it would be close.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ulf_Tornstrom on February 28, 2006, 01:13:30 PM
Ray Bryant will tear through your "D" baby.  Go Pioneers!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 28, 2006, 01:26:19 PM
Maq-

EC is leaving thursday morning for the 6 hour plus ride to Cortland.  Also I think it is supposed to snow thursday so that may make things interesting.  I'd assume Tufts would be in the same boat as well as it only makes sense.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 01:30:27 PM
For all those interested in listening to Hoopsville tonight, Head Coach Mike Schauer for the Gordon College Fighting Scots will be calling in at 9pm to begin his interview.  This will be a great chance to get insight into Fridays UC vs. GC game, as well as begin putting the CCC on the preverbial D3 map.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 01:44:24 PM
Let us not forget that the CCC has a 2,000 point scorer, and during the regular season, their team struggled, even when he was doing well.  It doesn't matter how well your GREAT player is doing, if he is getting his, and the roll players are all subpar, he can score 40+, and they will still lose, especially if the opposition is hitting on all cylinders. 

In a purely statistical analysis, UC does have the slight edge over GC, but numbers are meaningless in an NCAA Tournament, as seen in the past and current decades with #1's falling every year to a lower seeded team.  Because I am around the GC players more than most, I really get the feeling that these guys are just going to go out there and have fun.  They don't have the pressure of being #1 in the CCC playoffs, having to protect homecourt against their inner conference foes.  Rather they are playing a team they don't know, who doesn't know them, and who is in a similar situation by entering the tournament for the first time. 

I think GC likes playing as the underdog.  When they ran off there 18 wins in a row, they became public enemy number 1.  And the pressure, as seen in the CCC Tourney, noticabley got to them.    On Friday, they will be expected to lose, and that sits just fine with the GC men.

And lastly, anyone who knows GC, or has been following them this year, knows that they can torch it from the 3 point line.  This is a team that went 9-12 (75%) from the arc against EC in the first half.  If thats not hot shooting, I don't know what is.  Lets no disregard GC's shooting because it has been cold lately.  We all know shooters can be streaky.
     
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 02:03:35 PM

I'm not hating on Endicott or anything, as they are capable of beating Tufts under the right circumstance, but do I give them much of a chance?  No.  Tufts has been on another level over the past few weeks.  If they come back to Earth and EC can continue at the level of play they displayed in the CCC tourney, it might be a game.  To me this one is not as close as the GC-Utica game might be.

The very fact the a CCC team has a match-up that isn't totally lopsided, speaks a lot for the calibre of teams we put out this season.  It's been a long time since we could even talk like a CCC team had a shot to win a tourney game.  It will be a fun night in Worcester.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 28, 2006, 02:03:35 PM
It will be a fun night in Worcester.

And you don't hear that statement all that much.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 28, 2006, 02:25:40 PM
If you remember the only reason why Marstaller got a chance early on in the season last year what because Hassler went down with a severe ankle sprain that limited him for the rest of the season.  Also, Allenby was limited with a bad hip that decreased his playing time.  These where the main reasons Coach had to go with the young guys. 

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that Marstaller stepped up.  There is one question you have to ask yourself.  Would he have gotten as much time last year or would it have built up over the season?  We don't know but he sure did make the most of the opportunity. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 02:33:42 PM
First off, Marstaller didn't get play because Hassler went down, Marstaller got burn because he was as close to a post player as GC had.  Yes Hassler twisted his ankle, but even Hassler would tell you he couldn't play to Marstallers offensive level.  Allenby didn't even play in the post, so I am not sure why his being injured last year (by the way Allenby was injured his entire career) had anything to do with Marstaller becoming a legitamet part of the GC line up.  Plus Kaufman was a starter all year, and Shnackenberg started the beginning of the year as well.

If we rewind two years, both Herr and Logan were players 6 & 7 on that GC team.  Herr even received the starting nod towards the end of the season.  While Schauer does limit the average younger players minutes, in no way would he surpress overly talented freshman, just because they were freshman.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 28, 2006, 02:57:21 PM
24

Directly from Coach Schauer's mouth last year "We were all surprised with what Marstaller gave us after Pete went down"  I am not saying that he would not have earned time through out the season but it dramatically increased with Hassler hurt. 

And as far as the comment about Allenby, it was more or less directed at all the youngsters getting more time.  Scott was hurt most of his career, but last season lead to a lot less playing time than his first two years.  And If you remember he probably was the best defender and hustler on the team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 03:04:08 PM
I can't argue qoutes, because I don't know if they're true, but I do know, whether Hassler was hurt or not, Marstallers time would have come, and it would have come much sooner than later.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 28, 2006, 03:09:28 PM
Just remember hind sight is 20/20.  It's all fine and well to say that his time would have come now.  Look at him.  He is a stud on the floor.  The question I posed was would that have been as evident as it was if he was not forced to perform quickly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 28, 2006, 03:13:51 PM
kirk, dont be foolish, Hassler was filling space and no more, here is a quote for you Jon Marstaller won the tip-off touney mvp, with hassler in the starting line-up so, do your research.  Schauer plays the best players regaurdless of age.  If ou doubt that look at Herr and Logan their freshman year, they logged some minuets.  Deluca is athletic and I love the way he plays but he is a year away, not because he is a frosh but because he had terribble coaching in high school.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 03:37:21 PM
It's no new information that Bryant, Cichon, Lucas and Herring, are going to try and get theirs on Friday night, but what about the other players?  After Herrings 10.7ppg, the nearest player is averaging 5ppg.  Now I know four players in double figures is very very nice, but again, if they each nab 12 points, that's only 48.  Plus, you have to assume GC's defense will limit one of those guys, preferably Bryant, but one of those guys will not hit their average.  SO who from UC will step in and fill those shoes?

The thing that makes GC such a difficult team to scout is the fact that any one of 8 guys can get high teens to low 20s on any given night.  I don't know if UC players are able to do that, but GC players are more than capable.  Look for Herr and Marstaller to get heavy attention Friday night, and players like Shnackenberg and akirks boy Deluca will have to try and fill those voids.

Another thing UC brings to the table is their ability to rebound.  A team, that finds themselves with lots of guard play, that rebounds, is very difficult to defend and deter.  GC, again, similar to UC rebounds well, but not as good as UC.  GC can not afford to be out rebounded like they were in their last game against CSC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 03:46:16 PM

Granted, I don't think any of us know enough about Utica to address 24's question.  However, with the matchups as they appear to be, I have a few thoughts.  We've already gone over the whole Marstaller on the inside thing.  He's going to have to stay out of foul trouble and be productive with his touches on the inside (few misses, lots of assists).  I think Kauffman may be the other factor.  Herr is the easiest match for Utica, so I expect they will focus on shutting him down.  Kauffman should have some quickness or the guys guarding him; if he can use that to his advantage, they are in business.  I'm not sure either team has a deep bench, so that may be the other telling factor.

Gosh, I'm tired of speculation already.  Thank God CSC is playing tomorrow.  I know its not the Dance, but at least its an actual game to talk about.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 28, 2006, 03:49:34 PM
Mag

Check the mins after Hassler got hurt.  They went up by about 5 to 10 mins per game.  Yes he was getting mins but you can't deny the fact that he benefited by the injury.  Also, I would take Marstaller over anyone else on the GC team.  He has been consistent all season long (except for when he gets in early foul trouble).  Besides, if you want to talk about last year some more, then let's just state that Herr was the team MVP.  No doubt about it!

Anyway, who is going to make it down to the game on Friday?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 04:03:54 PM

Can you all please stop arguing over an injury that happened months ago?  At least switch to the Private Message for this one guys, please, it's exhausting and I'm not even involved.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 04:12:38 PM
Get involved. It's about Marstaller and whether or not he would have been good had Hassler not been injured.  It's a relevant question.  Akirk is obviously wrong, which is fine, but this three man discussion should not deter others from chiming in.

But Hoops we know you've had a few days now to go over this UC team.  What is your analysis, and or prediciton of how Friday nights match-up will end?  ARe you going to be there?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 04:15:39 PM

I will NOT be in attendance, but I am going with Gordon for a couple of reasons:

1) I think they have a chance and thus my CCC loyalty bids me pick them.

2) Its a long drive from Utica to Worcester.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 04:17:27 PM

Oh and its not a valid discussion because Hassler did get hurt and Marstaller did have a great year.

Next lets discuss how much better Michael Jordan would have been if he made the team his sohpomore year of High School or what the political implications would be if Buzz Aldrin has been the first man on the moon instead of Neil Armstrong.

Talk about it all you want, just use the PM and don't call it valid.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 04:21:04 PM
Jordan wouldn't have been as good, because he lacked the motivation to become the best.  Getting cut gave him his competitive edge.

I'm not sure much would be different if Buzz was first.  We just wouldn't have heard "This is one small step for man.  One giant leap for mankind."  We might have heard instead, "The moon really isn't made of cheese."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 28, 2006, 04:27:59 PM
24/7/365

You didn't get the point.  It was not whether or not John would have been good or not.  The fact was that we benefited by getting more playing time earlier than he probably would have earned it.  Like I said I would take John over anyone on the GC team.  If you are going to call me out...Get it right.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 04:21:04 PM
I'm not sure much would be different if Buzz was first.  We just wouldn't have heard "This is one small step for man.  One giant leap for mankind."  We might have heard instead, "The moon really isn't made of cheese."

"..or at least it doesn't taste like any cheese I've ever had."


Good ol' Buzz.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 28, 2006, 04:38:22 PM
I think I can give a pretty objective assessment of Utica for you all. The Pioneers were 21-6 on the season with three of those losses coming at the hands of E8 champ St. John Fisher. Fisher and Utica were by far the two best teams in the conference but Fisher is so good and so well-coached that they always had a plan for Utica and executed it flawlessly.

Obviously, you have heard of Ray Bryant and Justin Cichon (pronounced "See-Shawn"...took forever for me to realize that). Both players were 1st team All-Empire 8 selections. Cichon is a very good outside shooter but likes to go  to the rack, as well. He's very good at getting to the line, too. Ray Bryant can do it all. He's a matchup problem for just about everybody except Fisher who has one of the best defenders in all of D3. Bryant can kill you in a lot of ways; inside, outside and from the line.

Those two players will almost always get theirs. The key to beating Utica, however, is not allowing their role players kill you, most notably Willie Lucas and Doug Herring. Lucas, a senior, was one of the best players in the conference as a sophomore but missed most of last season. Herring, a freshman point guard, is a speed demon who puts good defensive pressure on the opposing team's ballhandlers. If Lucas and Herring have good nights, chances are Utica will win pretty easily.

Generally speaking, Utica likes an up-tempo game. They play pretty good defense and get fast-break opportunities from that defense. Utica almost always holds its opponent to one long stretch without a basket. However, Utica is capable of playing a slower game though they'd prefer not to.

I agree with the assessment that the winner will likely come down to who can impose their style of play on the other team. As an E8 guy, I give the edge to Utica. I think their athleticism will prove too much for Gordon and the Pioneers wanna prove they belong in this field.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 28, 2006, 04:50:30 PM
For you Gordon kids who keep arguing about stupid injuries a couple months ago, can't you just meet at the sacred Bennett Center and talk about this injury problem?

I agree with Hoops on this one in regards to Jordan and the Astronauts.  Would Tom Brady have been this good if Bledsoe didn't get hit like he did?Would the Celtics have been even better if Len Bias had made it?  How many championships would the Celtics have won if Larry Bird wasn't so old?

See none of these are valid, and quite frankly not many people care about Marstaller except for the Gordon fans. He isn't at the level yet of CSC's St. Clair with 2,000 and 1000, is he? WHo knows maybe St. Clair was lucky with an injury on the team 4 years ago, are we talking about these possibilities?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 06:44:42 PM
anECfan...

Q #1) The Bennett Center closes too early.

Q #2) No way.

Q #3) No, but they wouldn't have been worse.

Q #4) Most likely the same amount.  Dominque and Michael would have been hitting their prime also.

gobombers15, you are making Bryant sound like some mythical God who can only be destroyed by the kryptonite of St. Johns Fischer.  GC was 5th in the nation when it came to points allowed.  I think they know a thing or two about stopping teams "go to" guys.  While I have no doubt that he will most likely thrive in the pressure of the NCAA tourney, I believe in GC enough to know they can shut down whoever, wherever, as long as they believe they can.

I am excited to see this guy though.  He has been built up as the real thing, and I am waiting to see if he pans out as so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 28, 2006, 08:00:05 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 06:44:42 PM

gobombers15, you are making Bryant sound like some mythical God who can only be destroyed by the kryptonite of St. Johns Fischer. GC was 5th in the nation when it came to points allowed. I think they know a thing or two about stopping teams "go to" guys. While I have no doubt that he will most likely thrive in the pressure of the NCAA tourney, I believe in GC enough to know they can shut down whoever, wherever, as long as they believe they can.

I am excited to see this guy though. He has been built up as the real thing, and I am waiting to see if he pans out as so.

How did I make him about to be a mythical god? Because I said he's a good all-around offensive player? That's not exactly iconizing someone, bud. In fact, most E8 posters would tell you I'm more of a Ray Bryant "basher" than anything. He scored 9 points Saturday night in Utica's E8 semifinal win over my alma mater, Ithaca. But in the two regular season games he averaged something obscene like 27.5 pts and 12 rebs against the Bombers. He's for real.

That said, Cichon is still their most valuable player even if Bryant is their "best" player.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 28, 2006, 09:20:14 PM
Didn't think I would ever agree with an endicott kid but I got to agree with anECfan, we need to let this hassler/marstaller issue go.  Its NCAA time focus on the games about to be played. 

Any thoughts on who covers Bryant for Gordon?  I actually like Vogelzang over Herr.  Vogz is the better athlete and I think the best defender Gordon has.  Vogz doesnt really giving up much height to Herr (6'4 to 6' 5), maybe a little weight but Vogz makes that up with quickness.  Should be interesting to see what Schauer does.

Anyone want to break down the EC/Tufts matchup a little?  Haven't heard to much about that game on the board yet.

I'm going to the game on Friday, but unfortunately Gordon starts break Thursday so I'm not sure how many students will be around to make the trip.

Just looking ahead, if Gordon does beat Utica Friday what do you think their chances wil be verse WPI (assuming they win)?  I think Gordon has a strong chance of pulling out 2 W's this weekend if they play on top of their game.  Either way it should be fun to watch some NCAA hoops.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 09:43:25 PM
RIP Marstaller/Hassler...

WPI, in my opinion is one of the most over hyped teams in the nation.  EC almost beat them this year, falling only by 1 point.  WPI also only beat MIT by 3 or 4.  Now I know people hate what I am about to do, but GC beat both of these teams as well.  Now this rational may not be the best way to gage a head-to-head match-up, but I do believe, if GC gets past Utica and WPI gets passed Bridgewater, that GC has a very good shot at moving to the 16.  The one thing that works in WPIs favor is they are at home, and homecourt in an NCAA torunament can never be a bad thing.  Plus they are tournament tested, and as we have seen from GC already this year, the seasoned veteran teams tend to be difficult for the Scots to beat in tourney play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 28, 2006, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 09:43:25 PM
RIP Marstaller/Hassler...

WPI, in my opinion is one of the most over hyped teams in the nation. EC almost beat them this year, falling only by 1 point. WPI also only beat MIT by 3 or 4. Now I know people hate what I am about to do, but GC beat both of these teams as well. Now this rational may not be the best way to gage a head-to-head match-up, but I do believe, if GC gets past Utica and WPI gets passed Bridgewater, that GC has a very good shot at moving to the 16. The one thing that works in WPIs favor is they are at home, and homecourt in an NCAA torunament can never be a bad thing. Plus they are tournament tested, and as we have seen from GC already this year, the seasoned veteran teams tend to be difficult for the Scots to beat in tourney play.

Don't put the cart before the horse. Gordon is going to have to play its best if they want to beat Utica. Anything less, likely won't be enough.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on February 28, 2006, 10:09:59 PM
I know, I know.  I just wanna prepare those on this board JUST incase GC moves on.  But as long as I am the only one looking past Utica, and not the GC staff or players, I'll be okay with that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 28, 2006, 10:29:46 PM
24 and I talked about it tonight but in a effort not to look past Utica we think that the winner of the GC and Utica game will be dancing well into next week?  Will the sectional be held at Amherst or St. John Fisher or does it depend on what teams move on.  Also I am assuming that the Tufts and EC winner will play Cortland St., just how good are they, I know they have some great traditions in other sports such as hockey and lax but know nothing about thier basketball team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on March 01, 2006, 12:46:50 AM
alex yates is the real reason marstaller played. obvi! HA!

seriously, thoughts on Utica-GC: I'm gonna hold to the belief that Brad Freedman is the greatest thing ever to come out of Utica. Second, however is Ray Bryant. I think he will get 'his' in the game, and there is not much GC can do but contain. i also know he won't be able to win the game himself, so i'm not worried if he goes off.  again, i have never seen him play so it is just my opinion based on his mug shot and stats, but we will see. I think AJ is right on with Vogz getting the coverage. He would be our best hope to disrupt his game. either way someone should be on the horn to Ithaca ASAP and find out why he scored 9. Justin Seesaw does not scare me. He looks like a glorified Ellis. My only concern would be if he decides to penetrate and looks to pass. that might throw a kink in the game plan, but i think GC has done a good job this season neutralizing scoring guards of his ilk, sans D'Auria from MIT.

not sure about Willie Lucas, but i'm sure there is some empire 8 bias in his evaluation. i'm sure he is good. the quickness of Herring should be matched up nicely with the quickness of Kaufman.

my concern for GC is turnovers. Gordon has not been a team to turn it over that much season, however the last few games they have been way out of sync. but we will chalk that up to jitters. i truly believe GC will be loosey, goosey for this one.  my concern however, is their ability to get it past halfcourt. i don't think GC has been pressed too much this season. and if Herring is all he is cracked up to be, this could be a problem.  Logan can do fine, but not sure if his lateral quickness is all there yet. if they get pressed i worry. and if they do get it past half court, how much time will be left on the shot clock. that is my major concern; my question going into the game for GC. if they win the turnover battle they should win the game. if you limit Utica's pts off TO, i think GC will win.

i also think GC needs to limit second chance points. they don't necessarily have to win the rebound battle, but i think Utica will be crashing the glass, especially with their guards so GC will have to box out. and again if SeeSaw is penetrating all day and GC's d is moving around, they are going to have to fight to get back in position and get the rebounds.

get an early lead, too. doesn't have to be big, just be close. the last two games GC has started very poorly, so it will be good to stay somewhat even early to get that confidence back and take the pressure/anxiety out of it being an NCAA game and get back to just playing basketball.


Roy's Keys to the Game:


let's get some ECers on the Tufts matchup.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: qbsfinest on March 01, 2006, 05:08:09 AM
yea lets hear what you guys have on the Tufts-Endicott matchup. How does Endicott matchup with the bigger Tufts team. Close game-blow out?? lets hear it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Defensed on March 01, 2006, 06:08:28 AM
Can't weigh in too much about Utica college but if you look at the Utica web site you'll see they are weighted heavily with New York City area players so they may be a little more streetball style and some of the strategies that worked against Curry might work for Gordon.  As for Cortland State, it has traditionally been loaded heavily with Phys Ed majors siimilar to Springfield so you know your going to see a very athletic team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 01, 2006, 08:41:34 AM
Im gonna try and weigh in on the Tufts/EC game.  Looking at Tufts and their squad, they average 83 points a game, which is just PHENOMENAL.  They are led by their big guy Martin down low.  He stands at 6'8 and nets 17ppg to go along with just under 7 boards.  Behind him is their Forward Weitzen with 15ppg to go along with 5.5rbds.  They also have two other players in double figures in that of O'Keefe and Shepherd.

The Jumbos rebound like whoa too.  Their game average on the glass is a staggering 42 per game.  It looks as though everyone gets in on it, making them an even more difficult team to contend with because everyone will be making a mad dash for the boards. 

They do have 7 players averaging 20+ minutes a game also.  This might be the only thing going against them.  If they find themselves in foul trouble early, they are going to have to turn to players like Grauer and Sullivan who are both averaging less than 10 minutes a game.  In terms of negative aspects, this one is far down on the chart, but it could be a factor.  Basically what I am saying is EC has an up hill battle the entire way.

On the other side of the ball, EC comes in averaging 63ppg as a team, for those who are not Math Majors, this is a 20 point differential, WOW!  They are led by their two 1,000pt scorers in George and Darko with 14 a piece.  Ellis rounds out the double digit scorers with 11.

EC is one of the best rebounding teams in the CCC at 35 a game, but that still pales in comparison to Tufts 42.  Look for EC subbing a lot in hopes of getting fresh legs in so that they are able to compete for every rebound opportunity.

I think ECs biggest challenge come Friday, minus the drive, which Tufts will be making as well, is the size that Tufts contains.  They have two big boys in that of Martin and Sullivan, 6'8 and 6'9 respectively.  This is definitely one of the main reasons they rebound so well.  I think that Tufts will also do a formidable job shutting down the "trash man" Darko, as well as ECs Sullivan, who really shies away from the spot light in big games.

Honestly, I think the only thing EC can do is keep the game respectable.  This Tufts team is just so good this year.  It wouldn't surprise anyone if they stepped over Amherst on their way to the Final Four.  Tough draw for EC this year, looks like they are starring an 0-3 NCAA record in the face.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 09:22:13 AM

I put this on the NESCAC board to, but to me it seems like EC lives and dies by two things: FG% defense and turnovers.  If they allow Tufts to shoot better than 40% or commit more than 12 turnovers, they have no shot.  I think Tufts is too good to really lose this game.  Not that it couldn't happen, but its not very likely.  Tufts will get more of a game than they expected, but they will be able to empty the bench with a couple minutes to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2006, 10:01:53 AM
Quote from: Defensed on March 01, 2006, 06:08:28 AM
Can't weigh in too much about Utica college but if you look at the Utica web site you'll see they are weighted heavily with New York City area players so they may be a little more streetball style and some of the strategies that worked against Curry might work for Gordon.  As for Cortland State, it has traditionally been loaded heavily with Phys Ed majors siimilar to Springfield so you know your going to see a very athletic team.

Just because they have players from a metro area doesn't mean they play "streetball." We'll ignore the racial implications of that comment and I'll just say Utica has a pretty good coach who keeps the team playing in control. Do they like the up-tempo style? Yes. But, believe it or not, they are capable of running half-court sets with some success.

As to your comment about Cortland St being very athletic, that is also incorrect. This year, Cortland has pulled in the reins and have played a very ugly but successful half-court, grind-it-out type game. Usually, they want to run but Coach Spanbauer has adapted to the talent he has; which is to say he has very good outside shooters and a team that plays excellent team defense.

Roy, it would be a bad idea to call Ithaca's coach to find out how to stop Ray Bryant seeing as how averaged like 27 and 12 against us in the two regular season matchups. I think his 9 points in the semis were more a product of him deferring to other players who were all having very good nights (Cichon, Lucas, Herring) while letting the game come to him in hopes of saving his energy for the final against Fisher. He's a player and you'll see that on Friday night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on March 01, 2006, 10:17:06 AM
gobombers15

There was no racial comment in that post.  It was more of a demographic generalization.  By no means are they tied together.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 11:32:54 AM
..akirk........most reg posters on this section know what you ment, nor do you have to defend yourself..........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on March 01, 2006, 11:46:14 AM
John,

I didn't post it.  I just wanted the guy to be a little more careful when you through out the whole race card.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 11:59:56 AM
akirk........your right...sorry..i just read his reply and jumped before i read them all.........but still my point still stands........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 12:05:47 PM

Are you going to Keene for the game tonight, john?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on March 01, 2006, 12:13:19 PM
Any predictions for tonights game between CSC and Keene? Earlier this year CSC lost 81-80 when Keene's David Sontag hit a 3 with 3 seconds remaining. I'm going to have to go with CSC if Thorpe can produce some good numbers. According to the CSC website he didn't play in the first meeting, so I think he'll be the factor.

I'm also looking for St. Clair to put up some sound numbers. Atleast 2 boards(for 1000).  He should go for 20+ and 10+. I don't think these seniors want there season to end just yet.

CSC by 7
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 12:18:25 PM

I've picked CSC to win the ECAC NE.  I think they will be able to deal with Keene just fine.  That early season game was way too close and this CSC team is playing far better.  I'm glad St. Clair will get his 1,000 boards.  I think CSC by 12 or so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 01:04:15 PM
 would love to go but it is a five hour drive from here.as to who will win...thats a tuff one..keene beat csc by one in the start of the season..also we got better but if you look at csc-gs i wasnt sure but csc won..csc-ec..i thought we would win and we didnt....id like to think that if csc decides to really play they can beat keene but i just dont know what team is going to show up..ahhhhh, what the heck...csc by 11
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 01:42:13 PM
 ;D  most people that post on this ccc board do not know it but, there is (from this state) one of the most dangerous three point shooters ever, that post up here. if we could find shorts big enough and a fork lift to get him up and down the court he could really help csc but, alas he is to old...sorry  jps920
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 01, 2006, 01:48:50 PM
hmmm... not sure what that means.  Any who...

Do you guys really think CSC really cares whether or not they win the ECAC tournament?  Some would say it's like the NIT, but it's the NIT for a select section of the USA.  I honestly think they want The Saint to get his 2 boards, so he can get to the 1,000 mark, and after that everything is just icing.

It's unfortunate that CSC wasn't able to make the NCAA's, they would have been a more formidable opponent for Tufts than EC is, plus it would have been a dramatic game for The Saint and his career numbers But none-the-less he and his teammates are in the Bush League.

Good luck to them tonight however.  It would be nice to see the CSC seniors go down as champions of something, even if it's the ECAC's.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 02:04:13 PM
24/7/365         made a phone call and was told the two boards are a given, they want to win and will play that way..
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on March 01, 2006, 02:45:40 PM
Geez, so you lose a little stamina, and gain a couple pounds and then all of a sudden your a tank? Well you heard it....straight out of Dickie V's trap.
Anyways I just hope CSC can guard the 3 pointer and not take "Out of position shots" tonight. It's too bad john won't be there...cause theres nothing like an old bald cheerleader hacking up some lung in the crowd! Peace ol' man!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 02:49:03 PM

I wouldn't think that CSC would be too keen to play hard beyond the 2 boards, but it is against Keene, which will help them be ready to play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on March 01, 2006, 03:13:46 PM
"St. Clair Named First-Team Academic All-America" see the CSC website for the article.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 03:37:18 PM

That's a huge honor.  It's not just D3 either, there is a lot of competition.  Congratulations to all the St Clairs who may be viewing this page right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 01, 2006, 03:51:08 PM
okay, okay, okay.  Lets honor St. Clair and the fam all at once when the season has ended, he's grabbed his 1,000 boards, and they win the ECAC.  I don't think I could take the week long St. Clair celebration.  He does deserve to be praised, but lets save it for one big parade.

Apparently there is a guy who does his own top 25 poll, plus 50 more (or something like that, I didn't get the whole story).  He has GC at 54th and Utica at 55th in the nation.  Again, this is just some guy, who I do not believe is affiliated with the NCAA DIII committee, but you have to assume a guy like that knows a thing or two about college basketball.  If his assessments are close if not true, Fridays game is that more exciting.

By the way, as a fan who has never had a team in the NCAA tourney, I have found that there is only so many things you can go over for 5 days before the teams actually play.  My brain is fried just tryn' to think about topics of discussion.

Anyone else have new information they want to bring to the table?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on March 01, 2006, 04:01:51 PM
Someone brings new information to the table, with an actual game tonight and a major accomplishment by a player from one of the member schools, and you blow it off....

You should have rephrased your question, does anyone want to glorify Gordon some more, because that's really what you're asking.

And frankly, I wouldn't be real proud of having Gordon ranked 54th in the nation, especially considering there's only 59 teams that got into the tournament, that'd mean that there's only five teams worse than them that got in.  Doesn't say much for the Gordo's chances, does it?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: 24/7/365 on March 01, 2006, 03:51:08 PM
Apparently there is a guy who does his own top 25 poll, plus 50 more (or something like that, I didn't get the whole story).  He has GC at 54th and Utica at 55th in the nation. 


If you're referring to Smed, he does that strickly by the numbers.  He uses a computer program to compile various rankings and strength of schedule to provide a power amalagamation.  Sometimes it can be way off, but for the most part it's pretty accurate.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on March 01, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
First off what is wrong with a father and brother celebrating the accomplishments of a son/brother? So we bring it to the attention of others? Big deal. Are we gloating? Yes and very proud of his accomplishments as well.

Here's an idea, why don't we continue to talk about the drunk EC fans, or maybe we can jump on the Gordon bandwagon? If all the chatter and praise bothers you than so be it. Go ahead and change the subject, but do it without a smarta$$ remark. No one cares to read it and it's unneccessary.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 04:11:31 PM

What the heck happened here?  This whole week has been like a 10 car pileup on the CCC Board... and its only Wednesday!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on March 01, 2006, 04:14:09 PM
Hoops,

I think it's due to the lack of games to talk about.  That should change tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on March 01, 2006, 04:15:26 PM
With that being said. Next.

So what do people think about the conference awards? I've been reading this board for 4 years and I've never seen this pass by so fast without a few good arguments for and against players.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 01, 2006, 04:17:20 PM
anECfan,

Do you have any contact with the current players for EC?  If so, what are they feeling about the game on Friday? 

Does anyone know whether EC will be leaving tomorrow for the game, or if they will be heading out early Friday morning?  That decision could prove costly either way.

and jps920.  Dude, woman, whatever, chill for a second.. I was actually hoping we could give The Saint his praise all at once.  Doing it through out the week doesn't due him justice because all of it falls through the cracks.  Easy there tiger.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: jps920 on March 01, 2006, 04:15:26 PM
With that being said. Next.

So what do people think about the conference awards? I've been reading this board for 4 years and I've never seen this pass by so fast without a few good arguments for and against players.

We did a lot of that leading up to the awards.  I think consensus was it sucks to have four post players and shooting guard on the first team.  They should have gone by position.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on March 01, 2006, 04:57:24 PM
I'm starting to get a kick out of cstrike's posts.  It's like he sits around all day reading all the posts just waiting for a Gordon kid to post something semi-controversial and then jumps all over them while sucking up to everyone else.  Only on the CCC discussion board, you gotta love it.

Jps920,

As 24 said I don't think he was trying to be critical of St. Clairs accomplishments, just think it came out wrong.  But hey, being a older brother allows you to be a little defensive.  Wouldn't worry about it to much though, when the Saint gets his 2 boards tonight he'll get his on the board.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 05:01:53 PM
 i have an evan better idea...look it does  not make any difference ec,csc or gc. thay have all gotten into a playoff and they are from the ccc.you may not like that school or go to another or be a x player but what the heck, its our conference. lets just hope that is us, that win or go as far as we can.if your school is one thats against the other,so be it, but dont down the conference.we want to get as fas as we can go.it may not be your school but its still something to be proud about.............and ya sometimes a family member does talk to much about things but just go on about whatever it is you want to talk about...good luck to ccc teams...........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on March 01, 2006, 05:18:11 PM
So the match-ups tonight in D3 NE's version of the NIT are as follows,

Keene vs. Colby
MIT vs Plymouth
Emmanuel vs Wheaton
RIC vs Coast Guard

My pcks in tonights action are, CSC, MIT, Wheaton and Coast Guard
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on March 01, 2006, 08:12:40 PM
Hey 24/7/365

I do have contacts with the team, but I am not a part of the team by any means.  I haven't asked them too much about the game but I am pretty sure that they will show up ready to play.  Its the NCAA's so you can't really show up and not be excited.  They are not excited for the 5hr52 minute ride(according to mapquest) which they will start tomorrow morning and get up there the night before the game.

They know Tufts is playing extremely well right now and that from the looks of it they are a relatively big team who as someone pointed out earlier I think,  can grab a lot of rebounds.  That just means they will have to work harder on the boards and not turn the ball over like someone mentioned.

I have a feeling Matt George will show up to play in what could be his last game of his career which is always a motivating factor for most competitors and he is by far one of these competitors.  I am guessing he will put up the numbers he has been putting up in the post season at close to 22 points a game and doing everything he can, taking charges, making a steal, dishing the ball, or hitting the big free throw.  Marinkovic will come to play as well(you call him Darko, my friend calls him the Serbian sensation) and I doubt he'll be indimidated by any size, as he hasn't really shyed away from that all year.

Thats my take on the upcoming game.  Good luck to CSC gotta love as many teams as we can get representing the CCC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 01, 2006, 08:57:21 PM
Thanks for the insiders info.

I like EC's thinkn' of getting up to Cortland early.  Obviously they were going to drive up the day before, but some schools would probably emphasize school, thus making them drive up the day of the game.  But luckly EC will be able to be rested and ready for the Jumbos.  I'm also in agreement that George will be willing his team to a victory, and Darko may even have a good showing with a double-double, but Ellis, Sullivan, Corbett, Burgos and anyone else on the EC bench, are going to need to have huge games too.

This just in CSC goes down to Keene once again on a last second 3 point shot 80-77.

No stats yet, but what a heart breaker for this CSC team.  They were able to turn it on late in the season and force their way to the CCC Championship, but apparently too much road play had its effect on the Chargers, and that gives them back to back loses.  We can only hope The Saint nabbed atleast 2 rebounds, that will give this game a little redemption.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 01, 2006, 09:07:09 PM
jps920... I believe now would be an appropriate time to honor your brother, John's son, with all of our praise and admiration.  It's unfortunate he had to go out on a loss, especially a loss like that, but that loss does not negate 4 phenomenal years in the CCC. 

St. Clair, in my opinion, is the best player to ever come through the Commonwealth Coast Conference.  With the talent the CCC has amassed (yes there is talent), and the ability for any team to beat you any night, he has had a sensational 4 yrs.  He is a great ambassador of the game, and single handedly put the spotlight on the CCC for 4 yrs.  Kudos to Andrew, as well as to his father and brother.  You have a good kid John.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on March 01, 2006, 09:12:57 PM
Congrats to St. Clair finishing with 19 points and at least 3 boards to pass the 1,000 mark, the Keene website didn't have a box score up but did have a small summary. So congratulations to St. Clair too bad it had to end on the second buzzer beater of the season to Keene. Also congratulations on the Academic All-American award that sounds tough to get.

Now its only about 46 hours or something till the NCAA's start.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on March 01, 2006, 09:27:42 PM
Alright here it goes.

Congrats Andrew on a phenominal four years. 2000+ points and 1000+ rebounds. Can't wait to see what your stats are from over seas. Good luck man.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
 aprox totals on st.clair

19 points and 8 rebounds.,,2043 total points and 1006 rebounds..he hit those great #s..no hard feelings to anyone..its just one of those father and brother things.will be a ccc fan [CSC} and the rest of you team and players always.good luck in all you ever do..........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 10:12:38 PM
i am so sorry.please fogive me..now that csc is out please gc and ec do something,show them that the ccc is better then what they think.go go go. i should have said the before..
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 01, 2006, 10:13:08 PM
Where's Andrew playing next year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 10:16:53 PM
to 24/7/365..thank you for those kind word on andrew, as to next year,i am his father,,the last one to know............
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 01, 2006, 10:51:38 PM
..for four years andrew did..2043 points,825 goals,390frees,142 blocks,206steals,and 1007 rebounds.................now you know why i am proud......
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on March 01, 2006, 11:06:52 PM
Quote from: john on March 01, 2006, 10:51:38 PM
..for four years andrew did..2043 points,825 goals,390frees,142 blocks,206steals,and 1007 rebounds.................now you know why i am proud......

John,

Congrats to you and Andrew - a great player and even better person.  I'd be especially proud of the Academic All-American award he got earlier today, for all the players eligible for that award, to be named first team is truly an astounding accomplishment.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2006, 08:59:02 AM

CSC 77 Keene State 80.  The kid who hit the three hadn't hit a shot all night.  That's just rough.  St. Clair finished with 19 and 9, Thorpe had 18 and 14 (what could have been without the mono), BRay also put in 18 points, having one of his better games of the year.  Keene hit a lot of threes (55%) and all but one of their Free Throws to keep it close.  CSC is losing St. Clair, Thorpe, Bray and Butterworth; they will have their work cut out for them next year.

A sad way to end it, but congratulations to Andrew, one heck of a ballplayer and one heck of a career.  The Academic All-American honor is a great one; it's awesome for the CCC to get a player on the first-team.  Maybe this bodes well for the d3hoops All-America team too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2006, 09:26:17 AM

Ok, now we can focus on the NCAA D-III national championship tournament.  Games begin in about ten hours.  Five on the docket tonight.  Are we excited yet?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 02, 2006, 09:37:42 AM
hoops fan......where can i go to get a complete listing of who is playing who........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2006, 09:41:31 AM

You can get a printable bracket from d3hoops.com (http://www.d3sports.com/playoffs/mbbbracket2006.pdf).


Pat has a preview of the tournament on the home page (http://www.d3hoops.com) along with the link to the pick'em game, which has a suprising number of participants.


Tonight's line-up is:

Plattsburgh at Hamilton
Elms at Norwich
Farmingdale at Ursinius
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps at Occidental
North Central at St Thomas
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 02, 2006, 02:26:43 PM
For those of you who have not been following this board all season, collegeexpert72 actually is James Bartelle.  Just thought this would give us some laughter during our down time.

Quote from: collegeexpert72 on September 24, 2005, 06:51:00 PM
you also have James Bartelle who is one of the most under rated players right now in D3 basketball with that beautiful jump shot

Quote from: collegeexpert72 on November 05, 2005, 03:45:44 PM
James Bartelle who came off the bench and was a last year starter caused so much trouble with that deadly outside shot

Quote from: collegeexpert72 on November 06, 2005, 09:32:39 AM
Bartelle he gets no credit to what he does. He was overlooked last year in making the all conference teams.  People who didn't have a good of a season as he did made it and I really think that he's underated.  Trust me he has all the tools to be a great player, and talking to other College coaches say they fear him more then anybody else on the court because when he on you might as well call it a day. 

Quote from: collegeexpert72 on February 13, 2006, 12:34:49 PM
Bartelle played with And 1 for the past 2 years, and they are practically begging for him to come and play full time after college on the oppsing team.  He really gave that team a problem and made their little show into a serious game after raining 3's all day on them and dunking on one of their key players, but he has talent, but he needs more discipline as a team player and I promise you if he can start playing within the program he and get his head right could go pro.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2006, 02:34:21 PM

Way to rag on the guy after the fact.  Good show.


So Norwich and Elms tonight huh?

I think this one should be tight.  I'll go with Elms.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 02, 2006, 03:11:24 PM
Hoops Puh-Lease.  You know that was funny.  Any time someone hypes themselves up, while acting as a third party, and then they get called out on it infront of everyone, they are fair game for the remainder of their time as a player.  I was just giving this board a little comic relief.  Ease up there.

Not knowing much about the other North East teams, Elms has only recently come on my radar becuase d3hoops.com had them as a possible first round match up with GC I believe in their mock tournament board.  Again, that gives no insight into tonights match-up at all, but I from reading a little bit about Elms and their players, I would have to go with them as well.  I don't know anything about Norwich.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2006, 03:29:02 PM

No, you're right, we should all revel in other people's embarassments.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 02, 2006, 03:33:57 PM
Only when they blatantly bring it on themselves.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on March 02, 2006, 04:53:46 PM
24/7 I thought that was great.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on March 02, 2006, 05:02:41 PM
I'm with Hoops on this one, its kind of retarded to bring something up that was settled weeks ago. If we wanted cominc relief and if I had the time I'd go back and see how many times you mentioned Marstaller or any other Gordon player you have a man crush on. But I will not bore everyone else on this board.

A little over 24 hours till tip offs.  Any breaking news we do not know about? Any illnesses on either Gordon or EC? Any injuries such as Matt George going down before the game last year with a sprained ankle?  As far as I know EC is healthy for the game tomorrow. What about Gordon?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 02, 2006, 06:39:02 PM
Well I do have man crushes on GC players, especially Marstaller.  But be reassured, that I, am making those remarks, not John Marstaller.

In response to anECfans question about GC injuries.  No injuries on the GC side.  They just finished up with their last practice before the game tomorrow and everyone is in good health.  The only player for GC who is limited is 3 point shooter Mark Beebe, not John Beebe the sixth man, but his little brother Mark.  He has been struggling with a foot injury all year, but has been able to push through it.  And with their next game being an NCAA tourney game, you can count on him feeling no pain what-so-ever in that foot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cant dog on March 02, 2006, 07:23:45 PM
I'm just a Gordon fan who plans on getting to the game tomorrow night.  Does anyone know how much it costs to get into the games?  Is there a fee for parking?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 02, 2006, 08:06:51 PM
For students who show a student ID it is $3.  For any adults or students with out ID's it's $6.  I don't know if the NCAA forces hosting schools to require payment for parking, but if everything is like conference play then no, you don't have to pay to park.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2006, 08:31:22 AM

I think parking will depend on how much is available.  I don't know how big the place is or how much room they have to park.  It is up to the schools on that one though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 03, 2006, 08:47:27 AM
I don't care who you are ... that post by 24/7 was hilarious.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 03, 2006, 09:11:58 AM
Predictions for tonight's UC/GC game?

I'm guessing it will be a tight one until the last 6 or 7 minutes: My pick: Utica wins, 67-60.

Good luck to both teams tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 03, 2006, 09:38:56 AM
I predict Utica by 10
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2006, 10:01:05 AM

I'm sticking with Gordon; I know not why.  Let's say 5 points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on March 03, 2006, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: gobombers15 on March 03, 2006, 09:11:58 AM
Predictions for tonight's UC/GC game?

I'm guessing it will be a tight one until the last 6 or 7 minutes: My pick: Utica wins, 67-60.

Good luck to both teams tonight.

I think Utica will try and out-hustle Gordon. I think Utica wins 78-64.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 03, 2006, 11:11:09 AM
Why don't we all agree that the team we have emotional, past or current ties to is going to win.  I will obviously be taking the GC Fighting Scots in this one.  Their inside/outside game will be in full effect, and I don't believe that GC can have back to back to back games shooting in the 30's.  Look for Marstaller to have a big game down low tonight, while Kaufman and Herr try to get the 3 point party goin early.  GC by 7 67-60
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 03, 2006, 11:48:56 AM
You picked the same score as me only with Gordon winning. Not fair, not fair!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 03, 2006, 12:01:59 PM
Haha, my bad, didn't even realize that.  Okay, okay, I have to give a new one in light of that.  My pick still goes to GC, but with my new score of 71-65.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2006, 12:11:07 PM

Maybe 67-60 is a good bet then.  Anyone know the Vegas over/under in terms of total points?

Oh wait, does Vegas even take bets on NCAA sports or do we have to work with offshore bookies for that?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on March 03, 2006, 02:09:13 PM
I am kind of nervous about this game for a couple reasons, Utica's athletism scares me and Gordon's lay off scares me.  But the guys on the team want this game bad so it is a toss up.  I think Gordon wins if they can keep Utica to only two guys in double figures.  Another key will be turnovers and more specifically how well Gordon takes advantage when Utica turns the ball over, and Utica turns it over A LOT.  The battle of the boards is going to be Utica's to lose but that is not a huge deal Gordon rarely win the rebounding battle, but GC needs to keep it close.  I think this is going to be a sick game and my pick is that the winner of the GC vs Utica will be playing against Norwich or St. John Fisher next weekend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2006, 02:17:21 PM

I don't think the layoff will be a problem and its only two days more than Utica's layoff, so no big deal.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 24/7/365 on March 03, 2006, 02:49:52 PM
Hoops you goin' to the game?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2006, 02:51:41 PM

No, again I am stuck in the Midwest, hundred of miles from any playoff games.

I was working on a trip to the final four, but that may have to wait until next year as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: walzy31 on March 03, 2006, 04:45:23 PM
Thanks in part to the CCC

MCLA (MASCAC) to Duke (ACC)

MCLA beat Fitchburg St. by 4
Fitchburg St. beat Newbury by 4
Newbury beat Roger Williams by 20
Roger Williams beat Curry by 5
Curry beat Trinity by 5
Trinity beat Amherst by 3
Amherst beat Pomona-Pitzer by 19
Pomona-Pitzer beat Whitworth by 4
Whitworth beat Puget Sound by 24
Puget Sound beat UC Riverside by 4
UC Riverside beat Pacific by 8
Pacific beat Texas A&M by 7
Texas A&M beat Texas by 3
Texas beat West Virginia by 1
West Virginia beat Georgetown by 13
Georgetown beat Duke by 3

Duke is currently #1 (until Monday)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2006, 04:48:27 PM

These two are more appropriate, I think:

2005-12-01  Gordon                  64  @ MIT                     59         
2005-11-20  MIT                     68   Geneseo St              60         
2006-01-13  Geneseo St              86   Rochester Tech          56         
2006-01-28 @ Rochester Tech          71   Utica                   62         

Transitivity proves that Gordon is better than Utica.
This 4 game conquering path predicts: Gordon over Utica by 52 points.

and

2005-11-30 @ Endicott                53   Bates                   52         
2005-12-06 @ Bates                   88   Bowdoin                 62         
2006-01-14 @ Bowdoin                 84   Tufts                   70         

Transitivity proves that Endicott is better than Tufts.
This 3 game conquering path predicts: Endicott over Tufts by 41 points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: walzy31 on March 03, 2006, 04:52:53 PM
Hoopsfan,

How do you get that Massey Rankings site to work? What do you fill out for the three blanks and which of the three (wins, losses, schedule) do you select?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 03, 2006, 09:21:01 PM
Utica over Gordon, 71-66. Sounded like a hard-fought game. Congrats to Utica and kudos to Gordon on a fine season. Believe me, they're not the first team to get beat by Ray Bryant this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescachoopsfan on March 04, 2006, 12:33:46 AM
anyone see the tufts endicott game? no comments about the ccc champ getting knocked out in the first round?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 04, 2006, 09:14:57 AM
Looks like GC did a nice job on Cichon holding him to 6 points, 4 of which came from the line in the final 10 seconds. But, as I said, to beat UC you have to stop Lucas and Herring because either Bryant or Cichon is going to have a big game. Lucas and Herring combined for 27 and Lucas really kept them in it early in the 2nd half when Gordon was on their run.

Again, congrats to Utica and same to Gordon for a fine season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on March 04, 2006, 12:42:07 PM
Another year, another first-round flame-out... this time, with TWO teams!

When are you guys in that conference going to learn that if you want any respect, you actually have to WIN a game or two in the NCAAs?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on March 04, 2006, 07:37:05 PM
cstrike is an absolute tool he was the kid in high school who couldn't get the girl no matter what he did.  I mean he resorts to coming onto the CCC board and tries telling us how much our conference sucks. Wow thats a lot of free time on your hands bud. I wish I was as cool as cstrike everyone. Yup I said it cstrike is the coolest person on this CCC board. I think that is what he is looking for.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on March 04, 2006, 10:12:50 PM
Utica rolled on WPI, 76-58. VIAB. i'll give credit to the diesel who said the GC-Utica winner would advance to the sweet sixteen. honestly, i'm surprised. Utica wasn't anything special. kinda stings if you are a GC fan.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on March 05, 2006, 02:02:30 AM
what happend to the WIAC? all out in the round of 32. ouch. whitewater lost on their home court? their home court! man, i didn't think choking could get that bad. they must have been really tired from their grueling regular season schedule. that's tough. well, at least you have volleyball!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cstrike on March 05, 2006, 10:30:01 AM
Quote from: anECfan on March 04, 2006, 07:37:05 PM
cstrike is an absolute tool he was the kid in high school who couldn't get the girl no matter what he did.  I mean he resorts to coming onto the CCC board and tries telling us how much our conference sucks. Wow thats a lot of free time on your hands bud. I wish I was as cool as cstrike everyone. Yup I said it cstrike is the coolest person on this CCC board. I think that is what he is looking for.

Yawn.  The fact of the matter is yet again, not a single team from New England other than NESCAC teams made the round of 16.  Can the NESCAC petition to be reassigned to a real region?

Obviously I've struck a chord with you since you have to resort to junior high personal attacks when presented with actual, proven facts.  The thing is, the door's wide open, waiting for someone to become the second best league in the region.  Only problem is nobody wants to take advantage of it.

Oh, and Roy?  You may not want to be throwing many cinder blocks around there, buddy, you of the "losing in the semifinals of your conference tournament at home" team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 05, 2006, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: roy_williams on March 04, 2006, 10:12:50 PM
Utica rolled on WPI, 76-58. VIAB. i'll give credit to the diesel who said the GC-Utica winner would advance to the sweet sixteen. honestly, i'm surprised. Utica wasn't anything special. kinda stings if you are a GC fan.

Utica is very good, actually. Not sure if they had an off-night against GC or what. Cichon doesn't only usually have two points going into the last minute, so I'm sure that contributed to it. By all accounts, Utica didn't play their best and still had enough to win an NCAA tournament game when they met Gordon. I think you saw more of the "real" Utica trounce WPI.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 09:01:33 AM

Time for one final round-up:

Tufts 83 EC 60.  About what I expected from Endicott.  Tufts is a very good team and they showed it this weekend.  Marinkovic got dominated in the post on both ends of the floor and the EC guards couldn't keep up.  It was a tough draw for EC and they did pretty well.  George led with 21, most of them on free throws; Ellis had 15.  I said the keys to an EC win were holding the opponent under 38%, Tufts shot 60% and committing less than 12 turnovers; EC only had 13.  I don't think Endicott could have played much better, they just ran up against a better team.  Good year for them; far above expectations.

Utica 71 GC 66.  A close game like we all thought, but GC just couldn't pull it off.  Utica performed better than I expected.  They hit the boards, really hard, which is GC's weak spot and dominated (37-20).  Gordon did a realyl good job staying close, forcing 16 turnovers and only committing 7.  Both teams shot well, but GC is going to regret those 9 missed FTs.  This one could have gone either way, but Utica did what it took to win.  Good showing for GC.  They were led by Logan with 17, Marstaller with 12, Herr with 11 and Vogelzang with 10.  They return the core of the team; they will have another shot at doing well next year.

All-in-all a good year for the CCC.  A new team emerged and by playoff time quite a few squads were playing their best ball.  CSC was really the only team to underachieve and we continued to make progress against the rest of the region.  Here's to good recruiting and a great year in the fall.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on March 06, 2006, 12:03:44 PM
Well the GC vs Utica game was disapointing at least from my perspective.  I am a GC homer I do admit but in all honesty I think the GC was a much better team, although Utica had the best player.  GC played extremely tight and nervous and just couldn't get it going enough to overcome a good Utica squad.  The one thing I can take away from this game is that GC brings a lot back next year and those guys left the NCAA tournament with a sour taste in thier mouths and are going to want to get back there and prove they belong.  GC had a great season and it was tough to see them go out like they did, it would have been fun to see what they could have done if they were at the top of their game.  I guess all we can say is wait till next year.  Good luck to Tufts and Amherst, hopefully they can get to Salem and represent the NE region like champs.

Well it was a great year in the CCC.  We didn't in a game in the NCAA's but we did get two teams in and that was something new.  It should be fun to see what the league shapes up like next year, there are some interesting questions in for the off season.  What type of players will Foti bring in at CSC?  Millette is supposed to be a great recruiter, can he recuit as well now that he is not recruiting kids to highly respected and rated academic institutions, like Tufts and Brandies, but to EC?  What coaching moves will take place?  Well only time will tell I guess.  GC is the front runner next year, as they bring back three all-CCC players and who knows what in thier recruiting class.  Should be a fun year and I am already counting the days untill OCT 15.  Have a good summer everyone, if you find out news about any of our favorite teams, post it up, I will check in from time to time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 12:08:20 PM

I say Gordon has to be the early favorite for next year.  I doubt EC will drop off as much as we think, but they will have to rebuild a bit.

In the South, I have to go with RWU as the favorite.  Salve will be right there, along with Curry (if everyone is back) and maybe Nichols.  Another tight South race.


We'll have to see how recruiting goes over the summer.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: auerbach on March 06, 2006, 02:58:10 PM
hoopfan, who is the best player in new england ? if possible can you put together a NE allstar team ?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 05:04:33 PM

Tyler Rhoten is the best player in NE, hands down.  Although my power forward would be none other than Andy St Clair.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2006, 08:51:59 AM

Word is Coach Zink is leaving ENC after this year.  It will be interesting to see if they look for a coach with an up-tempo offense to go with their personnel.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on March 07, 2006, 10:44:53 AM
i seen an advertisment for the ENC job online someplace already
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2006, 11:10:24 AM

They'll want to get an early jump on things.  ENC can't really afford to miss recruiting season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 07, 2006, 12:34:07 PM
My question is who is the best player in Amherst this weekend? I can't speak for Amherst or Tufts as I am unfamiliar with both teams' personnel. I'd have to say Fisher's Sean O'Brien and Utica's Ray Bryant have to be in that conversation. Does anyone still think I over-hyped Ray Bryant? I think he showed last weekend why he gets the pub he does.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 09, 2006, 03:52:32 PM
Sad.  This place has become a ghost town.  see you all next year.  its baseball time!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2006, 03:56:57 PM

There's not a whole lot to talk about now besides coaching changes.  Let us know when ENC hires somebody, ok?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 10, 2006, 08:11:06 AM
I will keep you all posted.  Coach Zink was a good coach, he just didn't have the players to make anything happen.  ENC has a young group of freshmen that if coached well, could be pretty good by their junoir or senior years.  It will be interesting to see what kind of guy the AD will bring in. 

Hoops you want me to put your name on the list of candidates? 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2006, 08:41:32 AM
Quote from: the_cru on March 10, 2006, 08:11:06 AM
Hoops you want me to put your name on the list of candidates? 

As nice as it would be to have a job with low expectations and a chance to live near Boston again, I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my posting career just yet.  I'm holding out for a million dollar contract offer from Isaiah Thomas.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: UCAAHoops21 on March 10, 2006, 11:35:38 AM
the_cru,

Any idea where the job posting for ENC is?  Why Coach Zink is out?  Who may in line for the job?

I know of two assistant coaches who may want to know about that job...

thanks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2006, 11:43:46 AM

Word I hear is that Zink is leaving to go to Africa, where his wife just got a teaching job?  Cru can probably give us more details there, but that doesn't sound too far fetched.  I have no idea what he plans to do there.  As far as the job posting, you probably have to call the school to get information.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 14, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
Hoops you get good info.  That is in fact the word at ENC.  Remember that move with Kevin Bacon called The Air Up There?  Its where a college recruiter goes to Africa to recruit this amazing basketball player.  I think secretly coach Zink is trying a new recruiting tool on behalf of the college.  Actually, what I have heard is that he and his wife will be teaching in Africa and are leaving rather soon, even before the end of the school year.  The team still has assistant coach Jon Chesley, a former player, to help the recruiting process while there is a vacancy.  Ill keep my ears open for anything else.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 14, 2006, 09:08:02 AM

I hope they get moving on it quickly.  I know when Zink was hired, they had an amazing, surprising number of applicants, so I think they can get a solid coach.  I'm trying to think if they have any graduates who are in coaching that could do the job; ENC tends to like to keep things in house.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 14, 2006, 02:13:44 PM
The one that sticks out, but has NO desire to come back is Ron Bradley.  Ron is the alltime leading scorer in ENC history, from back in the 70's when ENC was a powerhouse.  Yes it was that long ago.  Coach Bradley actually coached ENC many years ago, and has proven himself as a great coach taking Radford to the NCAA tourney a few years ago.  He is now assistant head coach at Clemson University, but still has strong ties to the college.  His number is the basketball player's number retired to the rafters... You never know.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 14, 2006, 03:05:42 PM

Yeah, I doubt that's happening, but there is a chance an ENC grad might get a d1 head coaching gig soon.  I've heard Bradley's name mentioned around the CAA.  Clemson has done well recently.  It might happen.


I was thinking more about guys who graduated in the 95-99 range.  ENC tends to give younger coaches a chance rather than going after established ones (I assume because they can't afford to pay well, understandably).

Do you know of anyone who actually went into coaching and might be looking to move into the college ranks?  It seems like there was a big guy in the late 90's that went into high school coaching, but I can't remember his name off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 14, 2006, 03:44:36 PM
The one thing I could see happening is going to another Nazarene school.  There are like 8 or 9 other Nazarene schools around the country, and alot of those schools have good programs.  Mount Vernon Naz, Olivet Naz, Southen Naz Univ, Point Loma Naz to name a few.  I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the next coach coming from one of these schools.   

No word from the school on plans yet.  But you are right, I am sure the list of candidates will be long.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CSCIce on March 15, 2006, 08:30:17 AM
St. Clair made 1st team All-Region, which automatically makes him eligible for the All-American teams. This is the third year in a row that he's made it - 1st team last year and 3rd team two years ago. Anyone know the last time someone from the conference had a similar run? What are the chances he'll make All-American? I don't remember if he did last year. I figure Hoops will have some good info on that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CSCIce on March 15, 2006, 08:39:30 AM
Nope, looks like he didn't. Last person from the CCC to make All-America was Brian Wilder from CSC in 98-99, 3rd team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2006, 08:44:08 AM

St Clair was a troubling absence from the All-America teams last year, but he was the third team center this pre-season.  He was behind Rhoten and the kid from Lehman, who are both elligible again at the end of the year.  He'll also be battling Crawford from Albion in the center spot.  I could see him being second or third team, but probably not first.  He's a fantastic player, but I'm not sure I could put him in over Rhoten.  If they stick Rhoten at forward, then he might have a shot.  I just don't think enough voters know who he is and with his team not being in the tournament (when the CCC got two teams in) that's not going to bode well for him.  Either way, the academic all-america first team is probably more rewarding.  I don't know, maybe that award will help him with this one; it's so hard to tell.  No one expected D'Auria to get regional player of the year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Crusader3 on March 15, 2006, 08:53:48 PM
Hello hope everyone is doing well.  This is my first time posting, but not my last.  I know a few things about the ccc because I played in it.  I also just heard about coach zink leaving.  I hope everything works out well with him and his family and may God bless his journey in Africa.  He had a rough four years, but all in all he was a good coach. As a player I learned alot from him and now being a coach head coach myself, I'am understanding some of the things they go through. Anyway thats my two cents and I hope to chat with everyone in the future!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2006, 08:38:59 AM
Where are you coaching these days, E, sorry I mean 3?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Crusader3 on March 16, 2006, 10:01:26 AM
Oh no you found out who I was, just kidding.  I'am coaching at Fenway High School boys varsity team. we just joined the MIAA this year.  They were playing in a weak charter school league, now we play in the Boston City League.  I enjoyed my first year being a head coach even though alot of older coaches thought I was too young to be at that position, but hey I was able to take the school to their first ever state tournamnet in school history.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2006, 10:36:28 AM

Awesome.  Way to go.  I'm always glad to hear about the CCC guys succeeding after basketball.  If you get a few more State Tournaments under your belt and pick up a master's degree, you might be on the short list the next time ENC needs a coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Crusader3 on March 16, 2006, 11:02:39 AM
Thanks. I am currently working on my Masters at ENC and hopefully I will graduate in may of 07.  My goal is to coach college basketball eventually.  Right now I have been working with the Northeastern Mens basketball team so I can get some sort of experience.  As for ENC who knows what may happen?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2006, 11:06:53 AM

So are you teaching at Fenway as well or is it just the coaching gig right now?  You always seemed like such a quiet guy; I wouldn't have guessed you had it in you, but good job and I hope you continue to do well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Crusader3 on March 16, 2006, 11:38:56 AM
I'am not teaching I work in marketing for the Boston City schools in helping develop their athletic websites and notifying their communities about their athletes acheivements. You can consider me a teacher because I'am teaching these young boys the game of basketball. I'am still a quiet guy but when I coach I'am a totally different person. I had a passion when I played and now I have passion as a coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2006, 11:41:26 AM

Cool.  Just don't teach them that follow-through of yours.  It worked for you, but I still haven't figured out how!

Really, its cool to hear from former players.  Anyone else lurking out there: summer is a great time to catch us all up on where you're at.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jps920 on March 17, 2006, 08:35:28 AM
Hoops, if you check the d3 site, the all northeast region has St. Clair at center and Rhoten as a forward.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 17, 2006, 08:54:41 AM

Yeah, but that's done by the SIDs.  The All-America team is done by d3hoops.com and they've always had both Rhoten and St Clair at center.  I've lobbied to get St. Clair listed as a Forward, because he's really a 4, not a 5, but to no avail.  He has a better chance at making the team at Center anyway; there are too many good forwards in d3.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 17, 2006, 09:29:58 AM

I just thought I would throw in the end of year stats for the CCC on a national scale:

St Clair and Lamb both finished at 20.1ppg, good enough for 41st nationally.

Lamb finished 34th in FG% with 60.1%.

Matt McManus was 18th in 3pt% at 44.7%; Bartelle found his way into 50th place at 40.5%.

Grendal was 20th in rebounding at 10.2rpg; Stickney came in 35th at 9.5rpg.

Stickney also finished 40th in blocks with 1.8bpg.

My Freshman of the Year pick, Bobby Montrod finished 2nd in steals with 3.5spg.

Gordon finished up #4 in scoring defense allowing 59ppg; Salve was 12th with 60.5ppg; Endicott was 22 with 62.1ppg; and Curry was 30th at 63.0.

Gordon also had the #23 scoring margin, winning by an average of 11ppg.

Endicott was 35th in FG% defense, dropping considerably from last season, they allowed 40.2%.

Salve finished 37th in team 3pt% at 38.7%; Gordon snuck in at #50 with 38.2%

Gordon also got in for team FT% with 72.6%, good for 49th place nationally.

Salve was 46th in rebound margin, out-boarding their opponents by 5.5 per game.

Gordon was 27th in blocked shots per game with 4.4 per game; Curry was 49th with 3.8.  Both schools as a team averaged less than Drew Cohen from Colby, who led the nation individually with 4.8bpg; he beat all but 14 teams nationally.

Curry ended the year 15th in fewest turnovers, 12.1 per game.

Gordon was 20th in fewest fould per game at 15.4, followed closely by Nichols at 15.5, good for 24th.  Anna Maria was in 33rd with 15.9.

Finally, I am proud to announce that for the first time in several years, no major d3 records were set against a CCC team... way to go guys.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 18, 2006, 08:55:13 PM
hoops fan................................. you have to be on here somewhere..when are they going to put up the all american team??????????????
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CSCIce on March 20, 2006, 08:31:07 AM
No St. Clair on All-American ???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2006, 08:46:41 AM

Well, CSC didn't get him the ball enough in the pre-season, which hurt his stats.  That coupled with the overall poor performance of the team as a whole will get you left out of the All-America team.  I think everyone, even the d3hoops.com people were expecting CSC to roll the CCC and make waves in the national tournament, when they didn't, it hurts the image of everyone associated.


If it makes you all feel any better, Justin Wansley and Tyler Rhoten were left off entirely; both were selections their sophomore and junior years and both are better than St. Clair.  That just tells you how tough the competition was this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2006, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2006, 08:46:41 AM

Well, CSC didn't get him the ball enough in the pre-season, which hurt his stats.  That coupled with the overall poor performance of the team as a whole will get you left out of the All-America team.  I think everyone, even the d3hoops.com people were expecting CSC to roll the CCC and make waves in the national tournament, when they didn't, it hurts the image of everyone associated.


If it makes you all feel any better, Justin Wansley and Tyler Rhoten were left off entirely; both were selections their sophomore and junior years and both are better than St. Clair.  That just tells you how tough the competition was this year.

Well, first of all, preseason stats don't count. Non-conference stats do, for sure, but not preseason. The preseason is exhibitions and scrimmages.

That's just to keep Sager off your case.

As for St. Clair, hey, I tried like heck. Too many good post players, and he wouldn't have fared any better with the forwards. Had just as much trouble cutting those nominations down as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on March 20, 2006, 06:34:55 PM
 haveing only been with the ccc for four years i started to wonder about the lack of any of those playes as all americans, then i went back and read all the past post this year and some i have saved from other years..many people have said the same thing about the ccc...until we get a team that goes  into the ncaa and does something the players will not get any awards no matter how we feel about them. we just never seem to get over that bump in the road until someone puts that team out there we are all going to sit here and complain about something that we can not control..when you take the player of the year in the northeast region and he only makes fourth team that says something about us and the other players that are out there..agree or not those are my thoughts about it all..
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2006, 06:58:53 PM
Well, keep in mind we didn't agree with the All-Region team selection per se. We do have a Northeast player on the third team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 21, 2006, 08:40:32 AM

Hey did you take into consideration the fact that someone like Drahos was obviously nominated as a Center so he'd have a better shot at making the list?  Hasn't he been a forward all year?  Most teams these days don't have a true center; they are all forwards.

Honestly, I don't think I'd put St Clair up above any of the forwards.  He might have a case against Drahos as a Center, but I don't think he got snubbed.  There are just too many good players.

I do think Rhoten should have been on there, even if he was a forward.  I'd take him over Welton for sure; more likely he should have had Drahos's Center spot.

I won't argue too much, you've done, as always, a pretty fantastic job.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 24, 2006, 12:11:46 PM

Word on the street: a former Boston Celtic seen interviewing at ENC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GnacAlum55 on March 24, 2006, 01:23:59 PM
Ok Hoops, I'll bite......who?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 24, 2006, 01:50:13 PM

I just talked to someone at the school and they are a buzz with wonder as none other than Dana Barros was interviewing.

He'd be a fantastic recruiter, but you have to wonder if ENC will go with someone without any school ties.  There is also the issue of spirituality.  I don't know anything about Mr Barros personally, but it will be interesting to see if he can sign the statement of faith or if they find a way around it.


On a similar note.  I've never really understood that statement of faith thing.  I mean, if you're sincere about it, then you'll uphold it right, but if you're just signing it to get the job, what do you care if you're lying?  I'm not sure what it accomplishes.

That being said.  I certainly didn't expect to get rumors this good for the summer.  Although its hardly a rumor.  He was on campus and did meet with the AD about the job.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 24, 2006, 02:18:45 PM
Hoops,

I would love to know who you your contact is.  I heard the same thing but I didn't have the guys to post it on here, just in case it was all hearsay. 

Can you imagine that?  It would be such a huge boost for ENC, but what is Dana Barros doing with his life that would make him want to coach a below .500 christian school?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 24, 2006, 02:48:51 PM

Exactly.  That's the point.  However, he does have a rep now as a good teacher of the game, with his successful basketball camps in the area.  Maybe he's looking to break into coaching and you know, you have to start pretty low and work your way up.

I can't imagine ENC would pay him enough, but you never know.

It's great off-season talk though.


I like that ENC is looking at people already.  Maybe they'll make a quick hire this time; they school sure needs the recruiting help.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 24, 2006, 02:53:54 PM

Plus, I was just checking out the "Dana Barros Sports Complex" website.  It's down in Mansfield.  I assume he lives nearby somewhere.  That's just down 95 from Quincy; not much of a commute.

He seems to love helping young players develop.

I think the odds are about 100 to 1 right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 24, 2006, 03:10:19 PM
Can you imagine what kind of recruiting Barros could do?


This could be a HUGE off season move for ENC. 


Its about time.
 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 24, 2006, 03:20:06 PM
Here are some potential problems with the whole Barros to ENC talk. 

I know the Head coach would also be required to teach in the Phys Ed Dept.  (Zink was my professor for team sports.)  I know they want someone with a masters, or is getting their masters, or something in the higher education area.  What does Barros have?  anything?  The faith is a big part of it, and again I don't know anything about Barros when it comes to that.  It would take ENC stepping out of the box when it comes to their philosophy for this one to work..  But hey we can dream can't we? 

And don't you think this would be a good thing for the CCC as a whole?  Having a former NBA star in the CCC would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 24, 2006, 03:22:34 PM
Responsibilities Academic and athletic development of student-athletes and recruiting for a competitive basketball program. The head men's coach is responsible for planning and executing a comprehensive NCAA Division III program. Teaching assignments or administrative load will be made commensurate with the candidate's qualifications and institutional needs. Applicants should be able to facilitate multi-cultural, ethnic diversity, and gender understanding on the campus.

Qualifications Master's Degree in Physical Education required. Present evidence of successful experience in coaching and recruiting basketball at the collegiate level. Teaching at the collegiate level is a consideration.

Salary Commensurate with experience.

Application Procedure Applicants shouldsend as soon as possible a letter summarizing their interest in the position, a comprehensive vitae, a brief statement of philosophy, a brief statement of personal faith and at least three letters of reference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 24, 2006, 03:28:10 PM

The Master's Degree thing is up in the air, but Barros has been retired for two full years now, he may have been working on it.  They also are not tied to the coach teaching classes.  They like to have that respect in the office, but there are certainly plenty of people with the academic qualifications to teach basic physical education classes.  I'm sure Zink wasn't teaching advanced Phys Ed classes to begin with.

You're totally right, and I brought that up earlier, ENC has a pretty tight relationship with the Statement of Faith thing.  It's not like they haven't bent those rules for coaches in the past, but it was always because of an institutional connection.

Like I said, right now its 100 to 1, but the rep he could bring to the department might be a little motivation, especially if there is a shake-up coming in the conference.

If anything, ENC fans can be proud of the Athletic Department for getting on this early; that's a huge step forward in itself.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on March 27, 2006, 07:48:55 AM
The latest on the whole Barros to ENC talk...

It is true he was on campus but it looks like it was only to get some info on the job, and it seems very preliminary.  My source tells me he doesn't have a good shot at it... ENC wants someone who is more involved in the Nazarene church, rather than just some church going person. 

I hope I am wrong.  That would be a very dumb reason to let someone like that go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 27, 2006, 09:59:34 AM

I'm pretty sure that he was long gone once he found out what the demands were and what it pays.

I can't see someone with the off-court success that he has had wanting to take a relatively thankless job like a CCC head coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on March 29, 2006, 02:03:07 PM
i can see why ENC would not take Barros based on their beliefs as a school. it is pretty common place for a school to make their faculty hold the same beliefs as it does its students. that being said, i don't think money would be a factor. he makes a decent amount of money from NESN and FSN with appearance fees, plus i think he qualified for NBA pension and was a million dollar player. his other business interests have seemingly done well. i thnk he would bring ENC alot of 'Boston' kids and would do wonders for the program. and like Hoops said you have to start some where. former patriot steve nelson coaches Curry football and he still has time to do WEEI and NECN work.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GnacAlum55 on March 29, 2006, 02:31:45 PM
Actually, Nelson resigned at Curry.  He probably had too much on his plate!

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on March 29, 2006, 03:41:50 PM
well you get my point. he did it rather successfully for a few years. i wouldn't see Barros at ENC for more than 3 either
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 29, 2006, 04:25:23 PM
Quote from: roy_williams on March 29, 2006, 03:41:50 PM
well you get my point. he did it rather successfully for a few years. i wouldn't see Barros at ENC for more than 3 either

He won't be there at all; I doubt he even gets an official interview.  It is nice to have some gossip as well as some confidence that there might be some talented coaches looking at ENC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: plymouthstate on March 30, 2006, 12:30:02 AM
''I don't want to be an NBA coach, not at this time, and I don't think any time in the near future. I want to be more of a teacher - small college, high school coaching. The next two years I'll hopefully be at a small New England school or high school coach around here. That's where my passion is. I enjoy working with young guys and kids who will listen, not with those who already know everything.''- Dana Barros is quoted as saying from an article written in the Patriot Ledger this january. It's totally legitimate to think that Barros wants this ENC job and is seriously interested in it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 30, 2006, 09:10:00 AM

I don't doubt he's interested, but there are schools who will pay him more, give him more freedom and not take flack from major donors.

I'd love to see it and I think it could be a really good move for both ENC and the CCC, I just don't think it will happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 03, 2006, 11:04:34 AM
Dana Baros isnt going to have a huge impact on ENC this year unless he laces them up and starts raining threes.  On other fronts I have got some recruiting info on Gordon College Class of '10.  From what I understand and according to the Chicago Sun Times 6'7"-6'8" C/F Jeff Derr of Barrington HS has commited to GC.  Another Post player 6'8-6'9" C from the greater Cleveland area has also commited to the Coaching staff.  I know the coaches are still working on the class but I don't know where, what or who is on the table.  As for the two that have already committed, it is my understanding that both were being actively recruited by Whittenberg, if this is true which i believe it to be, this is the begining of a very strong class for Coach Schauer and his class.  If anyone knows anything else about recruiting or any other player news pass it along.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2006, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on April 03, 2006, 11:04:34 AM
Class of '10

OK, this made me feel old.  :-\
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on April 03, 2006, 01:02:46 PM
you are old Pat.. haha  just messing with you.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 06, 2006, 10:53:33 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2006, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on April 03, 2006, 11:04:34 AM
Class of '10

OK, this made me feel old.  :-\

Shoot.  It makes me feel old and you're older than I am!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 17, 2006, 12:39:46 PM

I've got nothing on CCC recruiting yet, but in a related matter, Ryan Jaziri's younger brother has decided to go to Suffolk.  This is pretty big for them as the younger Jaziri is projected to be the better player.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 17, 2006, 12:40:28 PM

I just reread the last post and I want to qualify that I got that info from Pat on the blog, not on my own.  It looked a bit like I was saying I unearthed that.  I want to give credit where it is due in this case.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 17, 2006, 12:52:59 PM

ENC is down to two candidates, neither one is Dana Barros.  Apparently he really wants a d3 coaching job, so if there are other South Shore schools with openings, we may see a former NBAer in the region.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on April 19, 2006, 12:49:14 AM
Even if Barros went to ENC, do you think major talent would have followed him to ENC?  I mean, it's ENC.  There's no doubt that the level of talent would change, probably get a couple kids so that they would seriosuly contend.  Maybe make the NCAA's a couple of times, who knows.  It'd be nice to see him go to an established or mid-level program.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 19, 2006, 08:54:36 AM
Quote from: backboard on April 19, 2006, 12:49:14 AM
Even if Barros went to ENC, do you think major talent would have followed him to ENC?  I mean, it's ENC.  There's no doubt that the level of talent would change, probably get a couple kids so that they would seriosuly contend.  Maybe make the NCAA's a couple of times, who knows.  It'd be nice to see him go to an established or mid-level program.

I think one trip to the NCAAs would make ENC's day.  The men's team has never been.  They won the ECACs in the 90's in one of the years where the CCC didn't get an automatic bid.

Honestly, I doubt ENC's goals are any more than competing in the conference every year.  A team that consistently made the conference tournament is what they're looking for.  That and beating Gordon when they get the chance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on April 21, 2006, 11:44:55 AM
QuoteI think one trip to the NCAAs would make ENC's day.  The men's team has never been.  They won the ECACs in the 90's in one of the years where the CCC didn't get an automatic bid.

Actually, the year they won the ECAC's (1997), the CCC did have an AQ.  However, ENC lost in the CCC finals to Wentworth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 21, 2006, 12:21:25 PM

I guess my memory is poor.  Oh well.  The original purpose of the statement still stands.  ENC would be ecstatic with one trip to the NCAAs.
Title: Regis College
Post by: d3bballinboston on April 22, 2006, 04:58:40 PM
Anyone hear that they are going Co-ED in Fall of 2007?  I herd that this week
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on April 22, 2006, 10:29:38 PM
Rumor has it that Dana Barros is going to be the first assistant at Northeastern next year under new coach Cohen
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 22, 2006, 10:37:36 PM
Who is going CO-ED in 2007?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Crusader3 on April 22, 2006, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: All-around on April 22, 2006, 10:29:38 PM
Rumor has it that Dana Barros is going to be the first assistant at Northeastern next year under new coach Cohen

Actually its not a rumor. I got an inside tip and I was told by someone who works closely with Northeastern basketball that Dana Barros will be associate head coach, former bc palyer Uki Agabi will be assistant coach and some gentlemen from Yale will also be an assistant coach. If ENC really had a chance to get Barros and they didin't than I think they really lost out on a once in a life time opportunity. Oh well I'm sure they will find a good coach for the job!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on April 23, 2006, 10:41:02 AM
regis college is rumored to being going co-ed in Fall of 07
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: roy_williams on April 23, 2006, 06:06:07 PM
regis is going coed and northeastern is moving to newton mass and changing their mascot to an Eagle
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on April 23, 2006, 07:12:08 PM
i am just wondering if this is true.. if it is true.. how does this change the dynamic of the CCC.  I would think regis college athletics as a whole would get much better with male teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2006, 09:11:19 AM

I've heard those rumors too, mostly as an explanation why the CCC added WNEC and doesn't seem to care about getting anyone else to even things up.

Although, the other explanation is that Anna Maria has petitioned to join the GNAC and is counting on their baseball team to get them in.  If that happens, things will be back to the way they were last year anyway.

I don't know which one will happen, but I don't think AMC has as good a shot at the GNAC as they do.  To me, Regis going co-ed is the more likely scenario.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 24, 2006, 10:31:10 AM
Regis going Co-ED means nothing to me.  They have academic policies in place which make competing in the CCC hard.  If they go Co-ED and nothing chnages it wil be just another week school in the conference.  And if AMC stays and WNEC joins that is a 15 team league half of which can't hold their own which would make for a very week conference.  Hopefully REGIS will look to take their new Co-ED athletics to a new conference.  If this happens and Anna Maria goes to the GNAC that will leave the CCC with a 2007 line up of,

UNE
NEC
CSC
GORDON
ENDICOTT
WENTWORTH
SALVE
RWU
WNEC
ENC
NICHOLS
CURRY

Personally if we could drop two schools, and based on their overall performance on and off the field, I would say get rid of CURRY and ENC and that is a pretty good 10 team conference.  With two divisions most likely UNE, CSC, NEC, ENDICOTT and GORDON in the north and SALVE, RWU, NICHOLS, WNEC and Wentworth in the South, if they split, or you just play each team once or home and away in Basketball.  Again this is all total speculation and wishfull thinking but it is what I would like to see happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru on April 24, 2006, 12:49:58 PM
I have a better idea.  Why dont Gordon and Endicott go play in another conference.  From the way Maq talks, those 2 schools should just go join the ACC.  And in his mind, that's probably a possibility.  MY ideal conference would look like this...

UNE
NEC
CSC
WENTWORTH
SALVE
RWU
WNEC
ENC
NICHOLS
CURRY.

The ACC would then look like this...

MARYLAND
DUKE
UNC
NC STATE
WAKE FOREST
FLORIDA STATE
CLEMSON
VA TECH
VIRGINIA
BOSTON COLLEGE
GORDON
ENDICOTT
MIAMI
GEORGIA TECH.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 24, 2006, 01:17:19 PM
Actually CRU i would rather see GC and EC join the Big East but I guess the ACC wouldn't be a bad second option.  For one thing I know that this is a basketball board for the most part and that the people posting here have knowledge limited to that alone.  That being said when the idea of new or changing conferences comes into play much more goes into the equation than simply Men's basketball.  Overall I would have to say that in all sports Endicott has been the best over the past few years followed by Gordon, RWU, Salve, CSC and then the rest.  The reason I eliminated ENC and Curry is that from an institutional stand point I would consider them outliers when compared to the other possible choices.  In addition a 10 team league would be much better on many front and I would love to see the CCC move in that dirrection.  ENC and Curry might like moving to another conference where they can actually win on a regular basis.  Look at the records for both me and women in all sports and you will see that Gordon, RWU, CSC, and Endicott are at the top of the heap in the CCC.  If you want to ship us out to the ACC we really wouldn't mind but I would rather stay where we are at and lose a couple of the lower teir schools.  Remeber this is not entirely a basketball argument.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2006, 04:01:23 PM

Perhaps we should move this over to the new board, created specifically to talk about conference restructuring.  It's a good offseason topic.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 25, 2006, 09:03:56 AM

ENC has chosen their man.  According to the SID, they went with Grace College (NAIA in Indiana) assistant Jon Yeh.

I don't know too much about him.  I'm doing some checking as we speak.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 25, 2006, 09:12:12 AM

I guess he was a big time high school player in Wisconsin.  He seems to have a decent resume.    He appears to be early 30's, lots of experience.  And the coach he's been under the past few years has 500 wins, so at least that's some decent tutoring.

We'll see if he likes to run a little more than Zink did.  I think that's what ENC is going to need.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Crusader3 on April 25, 2006, 01:33:36 PM
Well let the rebuilding phase begin again and again and again. When is ENC going to stop rebuilding and just start competing?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 25, 2006, 01:50:39 PM
E,


I think they've got some decent young guys who played well at the end of the season.  They might have made the change at the right time.  A new system and some timely recruiting.  They aren't going to be competing for titles, but they should be competing for a playoff spot next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Crusader3 on April 25, 2006, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 25, 2006, 01:50:39 PM
E,


I think they've got some decent young guys who played well at the end of the season. They might have made the change at the right time. A new system and some timely recruiting. They aren't going to be competing for titles, but they should be competing for a playoff spot next year.

And thats the problem. ENC "just" competes to make the playoffs. Yeah its great that the young guys competed during the end of the season, but competiton begins first game of the year. It just feels like every year the basketball team is rebuilding. When I came in my freshman year the team was rebuilding after lossing some key players and competing in the conference championships in 2000. Then my sophmore year we were rebuilding again because we had a new coach. Then junior year Zink brought in his recruits, we were rebuilding again, then senior year we were rebuilding again.  Next year will be another rebuliding year. New coach, new style. Then the year after he will probably bring in some players from Indiana. The prgram seems like it is the "BIG DIG". All I'm saying is that its time that ENC becomes a stable program. They have the talent. Luc Jasmin is becoming a beast, chris corey is a pure shooter, JP is the most athletic kid in the league, Ricardo can do damage, and the point guard is pretty solid, Duda is a workhorse, Chrisos palys with the biggest heart. I mean cmon lets go ENC and get these W's. Its time folks. No more phrases "They are rebuilding" please.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on April 25, 2006, 11:35:37 PM
Now only if they played defense, watch out
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 26, 2006, 09:33:40 AM

I hear you.  Technically ENC has been rebuilding since Ron Bradley left.  They got lucky a few years in there because there was a lot of talent coming in, but the coaching has never really been superb.

We'll see what happens.


Next up on the horizon:  Will the CCC actually be smaller next year?


We know WNEC is joining, but Anna Maria is up for admittance to the GNAC and Gordon has applied to the NEWMAC.  Even if GC gets in, I think they have one more year in the CCC, but AMC's acceptance means they are out this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 15, 2006, 09:38:51 AM

First CCC recruiting news of the summer:

"Jon Chaloux, Chrispatrick Cox, and Justin Rouleau of Vermont's Spaulding HS will each attend Colby-Sawyer next season, according to the Times Argus of Barre, Vt."

Per Pat Coleman.

Chaloux was the player of the year in Vermont.  Chaloux and Cox both stated they expect to be the starting 3 and 4 respectively next year.  I wonder what Spanos and Trunciletto have to say about that?

Presumably Kenny, Dzelinga and Carter would be the other starters.  Interesting summer fodder, if anyone is still monitoring the boards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 15, 2006, 05:03:46 PM
AMC will not get into the GNAC.. dont worry about losing them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 16, 2006, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: d3bballinboston on May 15, 2006, 05:03:46 PM
AMC will not get into the GNAC.. dont worry about losing them.

What do you mean worry?  I was looking forward to them being in a more appropriate league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 16, 2006, 12:45:05 PM
ha.. i was being sarcastic..
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 17, 2006, 09:17:14 AM

Some more incoming players as compiled by d3hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com)


I haven't done any reasearch into these guys yet (except for the 3 CSC guys from VT), but I'm interested to know if anyone else knows anything.


Colby-Sawyer: Jon Chaloux, Chrispatrick Cox, and Justin Rouleau (Spaulding HS, Vt.), Rich Currid (Masconomet HS, Mass.), Will Clemmer (Windham HS, Maine)

Gordon: Brady Bajema (Whitinsville Christian HS, Mass.)

Nichols: Ryan Wilcox (Granby HS, Conn.), Chris Paquin (Quabbin Regional HS, Mass.)

Roger Williams: Tim McKone (Bancroft HS, Mass.), Eric Nelson (Portland HS, Maine)

Salve Regina: Tim Daly (Somerset, Mass., HS)

Western New England: Logan Brown (Granby HS, Mass.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on May 22, 2006, 02:22:10 PM
I know a little on Clemmer from Windham, hes a big kid, somewhat agile, nothing spectacular athletically, if i remember correctly he comes from a successful athletic family as his dad was a big star somehwere...anyways hes a BIG kid, very soft touch all the way out to 15 feet, finishes well, is fine with banging, can def hold his own in the CCC.  It's too bad he misses st clair by a year as a a year under him would have been very good for him.  But yea CSC is getting themselves a potential diamond in the ruff.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 22, 2006, 04:03:50 PM

Yeah,

I think Foti is reloading just fine.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on May 22, 2006, 07:10:22 PM
Do you happen to know his height and weight?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: sully6827 on May 22, 2006, 10:51:14 PM
6'6'' and THICK
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2006, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: sully6827 on May 22, 2006, 10:51:14 PM
6'6'' and THICK

Good God, not the words you want to see at the top of a page first thing in the morning.  I almost threw up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 26, 2006, 03:31:02 PM

Per the blog and, I assume, Gordon PR:

"We are extremely excited to have these young men coming to Gordon," Schauer said. "We work very hard in recruiting and are fortunate to be at an institution that is attracts some of the most gifted Christian students in the country."

The incoming freshman class includes (in alphabetical order):

Brady Bajema, a 6-2 guard from Whitinsville (Mass.) Christian School, averaged just under 18 points and five assists per game as the only senior on the team's roster. He led Whitinsville Christian to a 20-4 record and an appearance in the Massachusetts Division III state semifinals this season. For his efforts, he was named Worcester Telegram and Gazette Dream Team All-Star, Metrowest Dream Team All-Star and the Dual Valley Conference Player of the Year as a senior. Bajema won three consecutive Central Massachusetts Division III championships (2004-2006) and the 2005 Massachusetts Division III state championship.

Jeff Derr, a 6-8 forward from Barrington (Ill.) High School, averaged 16.5 points and just over nine rebounds per game while shooting 65% from the field for the Broncos as a senior. He was named all-conference and all-area by the Daily Herald.

Ben Gaskill, a 6-9 forward from Worthington Kilbourne High School in Columbus, Ohio, helped Worthington Kilbourne set new school records for wins in a season in both his junior and senior seasons. As a senior, he averaged 9.3 points, 7.3 rebounds and 1.5 blocked shots per game while converting 70.9% of his field goal attempts, which was the best field goal percentage in Central Ohio and also a school record. He also holds the school's single game field goal percentage record and ranks third all-time in blocked shots. Gaskill was named second-team Ohio Capital Conference this season, honorable mention by the Columbus Dispatch, an Agonis Club All Star and selected to play in the District 10 All-Star game.

Derrick Hughes, a 5-11 guard from Plumstead (Pa.) Christian School, averaged 20 points, 4.5 rebounds, four assists and three steals per game as a senior. He finished his four-year varsity career with 1,371 points. Hughes was named Bucks County Herald first-team all-conference as a junior and senior and the league player of the year as a senior.

Timothy MacDonnell, a 6-3 guard from Mount Mansfield Union High School in Jericho, Vt., averaged 8.1 points, 3.7 assists and 2.3 rebounds per game as a senior. He was named to the all-tournament team at the Fran Pinard Holiday Classic and played in the Vermont North-South All Star game. With MacDonnell as the starting point guard, Mount Mansfield Union won consecutive Vermont state championships in 2004 and 2005.

Ben Meyer, a 6-1 guard from Millbrook (N.Y.) High School, averaged 19 points, nine rebounds and five assists per game as a senior. He was named all-league and all-section after leading his team to its third consecutive Section 9 championship and an appearance in the New York Class C Regional Championship game. Millbrook concluded the season ranked No. 6 in New York Class C. Meyer brook 1,000 points for his career in his final game. As a junior, Meyer was selected Dutchess County Small School Most Valuable Player and named both all-league and all-section after averaging 21 points and seven rebounds per game. His team finished ranked No. 5 in New York Class C.

Schauer said, "This is a very talented group and, if they are willing to put in the work, has a chance to be special at this level and help our program continue to rise in the Northeast region as well as onto the national scene."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on June 17, 2006, 06:51:45 PM
Endicott, Wentworth, Gordon, UNE, and Salve have their schedules up for next season.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 19, 2006, 08:41:37 AM

I'll check it out and get back to you later today.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 19, 2006, 11:37:01 AM

EC's losing Ellis and George, but they have a solid base and a good recruitint coach.  They will have questions of leadership to answer and with non-cons at Bates and WPI early, those could be costly loses for them if they don't have their chemistry worked out by then.  It will be interesting to see who else will be at the Tufts tip-off tourney.  All-in-all it is a very solid schedule for a highly ranked season, if they come through in conference.  Well put together.

Wentworth is aiming high, adding William Patterson and Coast Guard to the non-con.  They balance it out with Mt Ida and Becker.  It's certainly ambitious, but if they continue to develop, I could see them pulling a few suprises along the way.  It might be a little too tough for my tastes, but certainly a more competitive schedule than they've shown in the past.

Gordon scheduled themselves against Mt Ida in the first round of their home tip-off tourney.  Not the quality opponent they should have if they intend to improve their regional and national profile.  Philadelphia Bible was ok last year and could be a QOWI boon for them, but it's not going to help their rep among national voters.  Mitchell is a joke.    They have traditional rivals Bates and Salem on the list, both at home this year.  They also have what appears to be a provisional from Minnesota coming in.  They might be the class of the conference this year, but they are not going to earn the respect they crave with this sched.  They could have done a lot better.

UNE's sched is way too agressive, but you can't fault them for trying.  Hamilton tourney, Bowdoin, Colby, Middlebury, St Joe's, Bates, and USM.  They should have one of the best non-con opponents winning percentage, but I doubt that gets them much more than a bunch of 6 and 7 point games on their QOWI.  It will hurt the rest of the conference too as CCC teams will be getting less points than they deserve versus UNE.  Props for taking the plunge (I'd rather see a schedule being too tough than too light), but they could have fit their program a little better.

Salve's sched looks a lot like last year's: Wheaton, Wesleyan, RIC, J & W, ConnColl, etc.  This is a push.  I think they do well, especially for their ability, but nothing to write home about.

Again, this is based solely on performance last year.  We'll have to wait until rosters come out before I talk about who will win what.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on June 24, 2006, 01:45:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 19, 2006, 11:37:01 AM
Wentworth is aiming high, adding William Patterson and Coast Guard to the non-con.

Wentworth and Coast Guard have played each other annually for the better part of 20 years.  Coast Guard was a member of the original CCC and they two have continued to play after CG left the league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 26, 2006, 09:26:07 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on June 24, 2006, 01:45:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 19, 2006, 11:37:01 AM
Wentworth is aiming high, adding William Patterson and Coast Guard to the non-con.

Wentworth and Coast Guard have played each other annually for the better part of 20 years.  Coast Guard was a member of the original CCC and they two have continued to play after CG left the league.

I guess adding was the wrong term there, but its nice to see them aiming high.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on July 10, 2006, 05:54:53 PM
I thought WNEC was joining the CCC this year but I don't see them on Gordon's or Wentworth' schedule.  Are they joining next year instead?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2006, 09:19:49 AM

I wonder if Pat is monitoring this page?  He might be able to help us out with a press release or a news story.  I too was under the impression they were starting competition right away.  Perhaps something has fallen through??  I don't know.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 12:43:39 PM
I have been but we received no news release on this transaction...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on July 11, 2006, 01:54:22 PM
WNEC will appear on some schedules in various sports in the CCC this year, but will not be a member until the fall of 2006.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 04:13:49 PM
Joe, this is the fall of 2006. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2006, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: joehakes on July 11, 2006, 01:54:22 PM
WNEC will appear on some schedules in various sports in the CCC this year, but will not be a member until the fall of 2006.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 04:13:49 PM
Joe, this is the fall of 2006. :)


Maybe this is where the whole problem started to begin with.  Maybe it was just a typo.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on July 13, 2006, 08:08:17 AM
Sorry, fall of 2007.  Trying to finish up my annual report for 05-06, I'm in a time warp.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 13, 2006, 08:57:34 AM

So there you have it.  WNEC has one more year.

So Joe, any word on the NEWMAC?  Or is that really just a rumor?  (He said incedulously as if Joe would ever comment on that here.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on July 14, 2006, 08:27:55 AM
 ???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 14, 2006, 08:49:42 AM

I'm not sure if that is a question or not.

There were quite a few credible, but unverified rumors going around that Gordon had petitioned to be in the NEWMAC and the vote was going on this summer.  It makes a lot of sense, at least from my perspective, for GC to go in that direction.

I was just wondering 1) if it's true and 2) what the status was.  However, I understand that we're probably not going to get early confirmation of such from the AD, as that would probably look poorly on him.  That's all I was saying.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on July 21, 2006, 05:43:36 PM
Gordon just had their last recruit confirm (like a month or two ago i think).  A guard from Kansas, supposely could have played small D1.  Sorry I can't remember the kids name.  I've been talking to a few of the players on the team and they think they can be a top 25 team this year with the returning class plus their incoming recruits.  This year's class sounds like it could be very special but as we all know how good recruits actually turn out is anyone's guess.  But If they turn out like the past couple of classes (kaufman, herr, marstaller) there's no reason for Gordon not to break into the rankings. 

Any news about other schools recruiting classes?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on July 22, 2006, 11:46:33 AM
Top 25 for Gondon might be a reach, but Top 50 is certainly a possibility
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 24, 2006, 09:09:07 AM

They might recieve some votes from the NE region voters, but they'd probably have to go on an extended winning streak and start the year 12-0 before they break the top 25.  If they play well the whole year, they may come close near the end.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dman on July 24, 2006, 12:22:48 PM
has gordon improved the quality of their schedule from last year???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on July 24, 2006, 06:33:36 PM
No they haven't.  Some can argue it's easier than last year's with the addition of Mt. Ida and taking off MIT.  But Salem State and Husson are pretty good teams, so it's about 50/50
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 25, 2006, 10:25:41 AM

They've done about the same.  I reviewed all of the schedules that are out so far earlier on this board, if you really want to know my thoughts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on August 06, 2006, 09:33:33 PM
so i see alot of talk about gordon but what about the rest of the teams in the CCC how are they looking.....i think endicott and curry will be very strong this year
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 07, 2006, 11:04:50 AM

EC's got a lot of question marks and CC always has question marks until the final roster is announced.  You never know who will be coming back there.  Both teams will be solid.  CSC is another question, who knows how they will reload.  Things will get interesting as classes start up again and we begin to get the rumors about how guys look in pick-up games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on August 08, 2006, 07:59:34 AM
Any more news on the incoming class?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 08, 2006, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: akirk on August 08, 2006, 07:59:34 AM
Any more news on the incoming class?


Whose?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on August 08, 2006, 11:13:34 AM
Any team!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 08, 2006, 01:24:43 PM


It's probably early until classes start.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on August 09, 2006, 09:03:26 AM
  have heard that csc may be good this year.a young man named andrew tracy (i think) is going to go there and he can become very good under that system.they also have got one or two other decent players..
  to hoops fan..just wanted to let you know that andrew is going to england to play basketball....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 09, 2006, 09:23:03 AM


Good for him.  A few years in Europe playing ball is probably one of the greatest opportunities out there.  Which team did he sign with?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 09, 2006, 09:29:48 AM


Gordon is soliciting teams for their tip-off tournament.  I guess the schedule on the website is not as accurate as we would have thought.


Coach Shauer also stated that Gordon is "20 minutes north of downtown Boston."  I hope Joe doesn't let him drive the teams to games, I doubt the insurance company would like that.  Twenty minutes?  He really must drive like me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: john on August 09, 2006, 09:32:42 AM
 andrew is going to play in the bbl div.2 on a team called the northampton neptunes.two year deal..have not been able to find out to much about them yet.........
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 09, 2006, 10:18:21 AM
I think its wise to go somewhere they speak English; it makes a lot of sense, especially for a first experience.

It seems like a solid squad (they certainly like to run) and probably in a place to be noticed by other teams if he does well.  Congrats on that.  I'm not aware of any other CCC alums who went overseas; this is a nice accomplishment.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on August 09, 2006, 10:37:30 AM
We don't have our 2007-08 schedule posted yet, so it's hard to gauge accuracy at this point.   ::)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 09, 2006, 11:51:36 AM


Right, right.  Dates have always confused me, especially those ones with four digits.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on August 09, 2006, 03:31:35 PM
HF,

Let's keep your dating life out of this discussion.   :D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 09, 2006, 03:41:51 PM


Anna Maria finally put up the scores from last season on their website (which by the way is now shiny and new) maybe we'll get some better info out of them this year (although it seems like I say that every year about this time).

No one new has a schedule up (although ENC's website isn't working right now, but I doubt they are that on the ball).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on September 01, 2006, 04:41:14 PM
Regis College just announced that they are going Co-ed for Fall of 07-08.  I bet Basketball will be the first Men's Sport they add
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 01, 2006, 04:51:52 PM

That was expected, although announcing one year out is a pretty bold move.  That will give the conference fourteen on both sides as of next fall.

The WNEC thing still intruiges me.  Essentially they fall into the North division (with Regis in the South already), but they aren't close to any CCC school and certainly not to any of the North schools.  Just odd.


I still think there may be some big shake-ups before the 07-08 season starts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 05, 2006, 09:23:07 AM
NEC has a new website and a 2006-2007 schedule up already.  They make number #6 for the conference.  We took a look at EC, GC, SRU, WIT and UNE earlier in the summer.

NEC has again scheduled a weak slate on non-con games so their overall record has a chance of looking presentable.  They did add Keene State and I don't know who will be at their tip-off tourney.  However, if they return their core from last season, they could have a decent shot to win some games in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 08, 2006, 10:34:06 AM

Word from ENC is that they are positive on the new coach.  They think he will let the guys play more and move away from the structured offense that Zink used.  However, there is not a lot of help in the way of new players.  A tall guy who isn't that good and a decent PG.

It will be interesting to see how they fare in the South, as none of the teams lost all that much this off-season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on September 20, 2006, 07:54:52 AM
Hey does anyone have any news?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 20, 2006, 08:53:10 AM

I'm getting nothing from anywhere.  Either my contacts are drying up or there really is nothing going on right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 25, 2006, 11:44:56 AM

CSC has released their schedule for the upcoming year.

They are still going to the Brandeis Tip-off Tournament and they're still in the Granite State Shootout, but other than that, they've toned down the non-con as they reload.  They are at a tournament at UMASS-Boston, then they host Bowdoin, Middlebury and Lesley in the non-con.

It's not a cupcake schedule by any means, but certainly a little less ambitious than the past few seasons.

We've also (suprise, suprise) got a schedule from NEC.  This might be a good sign.  They're hosting a tip-off tournament and will also be at the Granite State Shootout.  Then they have home contests against Rivier, Castleton, Newbury and Thomas along with road games at Johnson State and Daniel Webster.  It won't give them a very good QOWI number, but if their young talent remains intact, it could be a good season for NEC.  It's not the most challenging schedule to say the least, but if they run the non-con and hold their own in the CCC, we could see quite a bit of improvement.

Roger Williams has their schedule up as well.  They're hosting a tip-off tourney, and playing JWU, Coast Guard, UMASS-D, Wesleyan and Wheaton for the non-con.  Solid regional competition.  Probably an average schedule.  Coast Guard is supposed to be much improved this year, so that could be a telling game.


Still waiting on slates from Nichols, ENC, Curry and Anna Maria.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 25, 2006, 05:43:53 PM


There has got to be some news from pick-up games at this point right?  Somebody give us something.  What's going on up at good old Gordon?  Where are all those GC homers now?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on September 26, 2006, 08:04:40 AM
I wish I had some news to share but I am a few years removed!  I only get up there for a few games a year now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 26, 2006, 09:05:23 AM

Yeah, my contacts are getting pretty thin these days as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: UCAAHoops21 on September 29, 2006, 01:47:07 PM
Hoops, or anybody else know anything more about Regis and what they are looking to do with the Men's Basketball coaching position???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 29, 2006, 03:45:25 PM

Regis has the "Men's Basketball Coach, Lecturer in Health and Fitness" position listed currently.  They are hiring someone full time to recruit and prepare for next year, as well as teach a few PE courses.  Requirements are pretty typical, Bachelor's (Master's preferred), d3 experience, teaching experience, etc.


They make it sound like they are going after some top notch people, but Regis athletics have never been an overly high priority and I doubt they honestly expect a ton of great d3 candidates to show up for interviews.  They will probably end up taking a flyer on an assistant somewhere looking to build a resume.

The job is posted, but I don't think they will be rushing to fill the position.  You may see some interviews after the holidays.  I just don't see Regis looking to pay another salary too long before the duties actually begin.  I'm guessing they'll get someone hired shortly after classes start in the spring, maybe even on a part-time (non-teaching) position.  They just need a jump on recruiting and frankly, a first-year program at the bottom of the CCC is not going to be in the middle of many recruiting battles.

If you're looking to get a resume in or reccommend some assistants.  I'd say go for it now.  Regis seems like the kind of place where getting a foot in the door early and establishing relationships will really pay off.  It's been a very solid school academically that cares quite deeply about fulfilling its mission.  Not a bad place to get started, so long as winning championships isn't too important to you.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoopnews on September 30, 2006, 09:27:28 PM
You're right, no new news.  Who do you think are the best players at each position in the CCC?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 02, 2006, 09:51:34 AM
PG My opinion even though I am a GC homer would be Kaufman 1 and PBJ 2
SG I can't really think about anyone that sticks out in this position, but watch out for Tim Deluca by the end of the year will suprise a lot of people.
SF Baranger, Grendal, and Lewis of Nichols
PF Marstaller.....and I guess Marinkovich although it will be interesting to watch him carry the load this year without Ellis and George
C there are no centers in the ccc
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 02, 2006, 09:56:02 AM

Marinkovic is a center, despite the way they list him.  He's a center.

So is Barranger, by the way.  The dude is seven feet tall and couldn't beat Mike LeVallier is a footrace (that one was for all those early 90's Pirate fans out there).

Barranger has shown some improvement, but I don't know if he's among the best right now.

Marstaller, I guess, takes the mantle of pre-season favorite for player of the year.  It's just so hard to know who will be good until we actually know who's playing this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 02, 2006, 09:56:47 AM
What is the word on Endicotts recruiting class?  There new coach likes to keep it a secret it seems.  I wonder how he will do recruiting this year, I mean Endicott it no Tufts or Brandies, but he doesn't have to bring in students have that kind of academic tallent so that might make his job easier.  That being said the CCC although improving is no NESCAC or UAA.  Can't wait for this season to get started should be a fun one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 02, 2006, 10:01:57 AM
I guess I was thinking of someone else, not Baranger.  That kid is a total stiff how did he possibly make the all conference team last year.  7 feet or not, I guess he must have torched the south.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 02, 2006, 11:43:35 AM

Millete, at EC, was primarily responsible for the current Junior Class at Brandeis that has been making waves over the last couple of years.  I think that sort of recruiting talent will pay big dividends at a school like EC, where so much emphasis is put on athletic success.

Freshmen will probably have a much larger impact on the CCC this season with so many of the top players graduating last year.  It's been a while since there was this much turnover in terms of top talent.

My biggest sleeper pick right now is NEC.  If they return the guys from last year, I think they can make some waves.  Obviously they have a tougher road being in the same division with EC, GC and CSC, but there was a lot to like from the young guys up there towards the end of the year last year.  Bobby Montrond is one of the best guards in the conference, but it hasn't shown on the stat sheet.

There may be a few more of those "team guys" around the conference than we've seen before as well.  I'm excited for this season.  Surely it will be one of the least predictable in recent memory.  I'll wait to see rosters go up before I say too much more though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Muff10 on October 02, 2006, 10:24:14 PM
Hi all.. just recently got the AMC schedule.  It's a pretty soft non conference lineup.  Here it is:

November
  17th & 18th @Rivier Tournament
  21st  vs. Newbury
  28th  vs. Daniel Webster
  30th  @  Becker

December
  2nd  @  Salve
  5th  @  Nichols
  9th & 10th  @ Bard Tournament

January
  4th  @ Fitchburg St.
  6th  vs.  Endicott
  9th  vs.  Eastern Naz
  13th vs.  Roger Williams
  16th  @ Colby-Sawyer
  18th  @  Eastern Naz
  20th  @ Wentworth
  23rd  vs.  NEC
  25th  vs.  UNE
  30th  vs.  Curry

February
  1st  @  Mitchell
  6th  vs.  Nichols
  8th  @  Roger Williams
  13th  vs.  Salve
  15th  @  Gordon
  17th  @  Curry

There was some big news on the campus of AMC this offseason.  Coach Dave Shea was recenlty named AD, and he named Shawn Conrad the new head coach.  Conrad was formerly the head coach @ Fitch. St. the last 3 yrs.  He was also an assistant on the AMC teams that made 2 playoff apperances in 2002 and 2003.  Conrad also has had stints at Holy Cross, Assumption, and Bryant.  This is a good hire for AMC, and the soft non conference will help as Coach Conrad looks to rebuild the program.  AMC may not be the most talented team in the CCC, but anyone that knows Coach Conrad knows that they will play HARD every nite.

In other news Quincy Nunnally has returned to AMC after missing last year due to financial aid complications.  An excellent performer in his 1st 2 seasons he will be a huge help to the team.

I am looking forward to the start of the season, and watching how it unfolds.  Good luck to all
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 03, 2006, 08:52:15 AM

Welcome, Muff.  Can we assume that you're someone from the O'Malley clan who feels justified to post now that you have no one left playing at AMC?


In any event.  It's nice to have someone from AMC on the board, because its virtually impossible to get information otherwise.

AMC certainly scheduled beatable opponents for the non-con and the return of Nunally is a huge thing for that squad.  Looks to be a decent beginning to the year.  Now hopefully the games can go well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoopnews on October 03, 2006, 03:08:57 PM
First Team (not by position):

Kaufman
Herr
Vallee
Marstaller
Marinkovic

Potential Second Teamers:

Prezzie-Blue
Lewis
Jasmin
Baranger
Grendal
Stickney
Corbett
Tim Jones - if healthy
Dan Gumb - if healthy
Sam Evans - if healthy
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 03, 2006, 03:12:04 PM

I'm definately not even going to think about making that sort of list until mid-november.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoopnews on October 03, 2006, 03:47:07 PM
I forgot Kingsley Onyechi, but he needs to get healthy too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Muff10 on October 03, 2006, 04:08:31 PM
I think that would be a safe assuption Hoops Fan.... I will do my best to keep you up to date on any news from AMC... Hopefully most of it will be good news.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 03, 2006, 04:23:56 PM

Good to have you here.  I look forward to AMC news.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 05, 2006, 02:15:16 AM
Around the CCC

What's up guys gonna welcome myself to the board! I'm gonna do a quick roundup of what I look for the in the CCC this year all of this is of course all reletive as I know very little about the recruits anyone has brought in.

SOUTH

Nicholls-

My breakout team this year. Justin Lewis is a BEAST and Vallee is a player as well, they lose Casey Butler which could hurt but the rumor mill has them bringing in some solid recruits in the backcourt which they desperatly needed. If they have someone to hit an outside shot this year to take the pressure of Lewis I like them a lot.

Roger Williams-

Everyone back except Cormier and the return of Dan Gumb I like their chances a lot as well as they battle back from an upset in last year's tourny. Tully and the gang will get extremly solid play from Billy Barrett and Barranger should continue to improve. I'm buying on the Hawks.

Salve Regina-

Coute is gone and his scoring and leadership will be greatly missed. Grendel is one of the toughest guys in the league in my opinion and the Seahawks should be a tough out, I look for them to fall off some though.

Curry-

I have no idea what to expect from this gang. Is Tim Jones definetly back? If so he will be one of the top gaurds in the league. Raheim is finally gone and rumor has it so are a few more "returners" so it will be interesting to see what the Purple Crew has. My guess is they will be athletic.

Eastern Nazarene-

New coach, new era? Jasmin is back and he's a handful, I also like the way Colby Dasilva plays, but I don't see this team making much noise this coming year.

Anna Maria-

New coach out in Worcester and a well regarded one at that, that coupled with the return of Nunnaly they could be a tougher out. They will need to get better gaurd play than last year though when they were a turnover factory.


NORTH

Gordon-

Has to be the favorite, team is pretty loaded but also they will have the bullseye on their back this year and get everyone's best shot. Kaufman is the guy here allthough Marsteller seems to get more pub. They are a tough matchup for anyone and I'm eager to see how they respond to being the "team to beat"

Endicott-

You don't replace Matt George and Zach Ellis overnight, but the return of Sam Evans is going to make them tough. Will they still be running the flex? Stay tuned.

Colby-Sawyer-

The more things change... I think by the end of the year this team will be playing as well as anyone, tons of new pieces and emerging bench guys but Foti will coach his butt off and have these guys ready to go, it will be interesting to see if Truncellito can be more of a go to factor on offense.

Wentworth-

Shouldn't sneak up on anyone this year after the RW upset last year. I still think they are too inconsistant and small to be a factor. Bynes is only 6'3 and my guess is he's their center? PBJ and Doyle are nice gaurds, but they dont have any big men inside.

NEC-

Onyechi will be an ANIMAL this year. I look for him to put up POTY type numbers. I know Motrand gets a lot of love on this board but he always looks out of control to me, I don't think Onyechi will get enough help and I think they fall short of the playoffs again.

UNE-

Stickney and not much else. They will play hard everynight though and no one will want to play them with something on the line.


That's my once around the league, looking forward to discussing things with you folks this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 05, 2006, 09:14:02 AM

Welcome to the board.  Are you a former player or a student anywhere?  It would be nice to have another insider somewhere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 05, 2006, 10:11:54 AM
Former player, but I'm going to try to be as balanced as possible and see if I can avoid blatantly favoring my old squad in posts.

Should last about a week before I slip up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 05, 2006, 11:03:34 AM

It can be done.  I've been posting under this name for four years without overtly giving away my alma mater.  I just try to call'em like I see'em.  That and be critical of everyone.


Plus, now I have the challenge of trying to figure out who you are.  You used a disguised email, so it won't be as easy as O'Malley.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 10, 2006, 09:17:45 AM

Nichols has their schedule up.

They open against Worcester State at Becker's tournament.  They play Westfield and Fitchburg and Worcester again, along with WNEC, Wesleyan and Becker again.

Not much of a field.  However, if they return everyone, they have a good shot to win all those non-cons.  Probably not the most impressive schedule, but I doubt they're going for impressive this year; I think they're just looking for results.

We're still waiting for schedules from Curry and ENC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 12, 2006, 09:01:59 AM

We've got a schedule for ENC.  Lesley, Mt Ida, Framingham, Mitchell, Conn Coll, Newbury and a game at Emerson's new gym.  Decent test for a team with a new coach and no real way to tell what he's got.  Hopefully they can beat Lesley this year after becoming the first victim in school history last year.


I'm not sure if Curry's schedule it complete.  It looks to be missing a few games, but they have Springfield, Trinity, WNEC and Brandeis on the row.  That is quite ambitious.  I sure hope they have most of their eligible players coming back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 16, 2006, 09:49:36 AM

Ok, everybody should have their first real practices today.  Do we have any info?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Marv Albert on October 17, 2006, 12:18:40 AM
Yeah.  Nothing has changed since the last time you asked.  They're just playing now.  SUCKA!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 17, 2006, 09:16:31 AM

Thanks, Kevin.  I appreaciate that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Marv Albert on October 17, 2006, 10:13:55 PM
sure thing creepy mystery guy whose life is wrapped up in mediocre D3 basketball.  Thumbs up!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 18, 2006, 08:58:42 AM

Well it is close to Halloween.  I'm just trying to get into character.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2006, 09:18:53 AM

Tim Jones is definately back and in shape for Curry.  However rumor has it Raheim Lamb is also playing again this year.  I'm almost positive he's used up his elligibility, but I'll check into it.  This seems so outrageous, but I've heard it from a couple of people already, so I have to do some investigating.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2006, 09:23:12 AM

I checked it out.  Lamb played the 00-01, 01-02 and most of the 02-03 seasons with UMASS.  He transferred to Curry and played Spring semester of 03-04 and Spring semester of 04-05.  To me that adds up to four years.  I've just been hearing it a lot around the league that he's still there.



Maybe someone else can clue us in.  Is he an assistant coach or something?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2006, 09:30:31 AM

Lamb was academically inelligible for the 00-01 season, so he didn't play.  I thought that sitting out due to academics cost you a year of elligibility.

We'll have to get a final say on that from someone more knowledgeable.  If he got a redshirt for that year he would be grandfathered in with his transfer to D3 and have one year left.  Scary.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dansand on October 20, 2006, 09:41:28 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 20, 2006, 09:23:12 AM

I checked it out.  Lamb played the 00-01, 01-02 and most of the 02-03 seasons with UMASS.  He transferred to Curry and played Spring semester of 03-04 and Spring semester of 04-05.  To me that adds up to four years.  I've just been hearing it a lot around the league that he's still there.



Maybe someone else can clue us in.  Is he an assistant coach or something?

According to the NCAA career stats website, it looks like he played the 01-02 and 02-03 seasons at UMass and 04-05 and 05-06 at Curry. Looks like 4 years to me.

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careersearch
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2006, 10:13:50 AM
He only played 2nd semester is his two years at Curry, so that only counts as one year.  I'm not sure how that works with the new system (4 years in five).


I asked the questions about this on one of the other boards, with some guys who know a lot more about the logistics of elligibility than I do.  Hopefully they will have some insight.


I'm really more stunned than anything.  I hadn't even heard any rumors about this and then last night I was talking to a guy who said "Lamb's back."  I called around and heard the same thing from a few people.  This is as close to controversy as we get in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on October 20, 2006, 12:49:36 PM
Speaking of Curry, I also heard a rumor that Toby Brittian has transferred there for his senior year. He is coming from Lesley where he was the leading scorer and rebounder. He also played at Northeastern for a year about 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2006, 01:14:06 PM

Brittain is there.  Lamb is (according to unconfirmed reports) in Portugal.  I can't find him listed on any rosters in Portugal, but that seems more likely than him being back at Curry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2006, 01:21:04 PM

Brittian was 10th in the nation in shot blocking last year.  Man.  Curry could be pretty good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on October 20, 2006, 09:07:03 PM
They also have a good freshmen in mark mastrullo of billerica, curry could be much better this year even with losing lamb
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2006, 01:11:49 PM

Lamb played lazy during his time there.  They weren't any better with him or without him.


Tim Jones will be the key.  He just needs to stay healthy all season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 23, 2006, 01:11:48 AM
Just for fun guys I threw together the following card of my pre season odds for league poty which might as well have been called the Andrew Saint Clair Trophy the last few years. Read, enjoy, argue:

NC

Justin Lewis   6-1

Andy Vallee 11-1

Roger Williams

Brandon Parrish 12-1

Dan Gumb 20-1

Geoff Barranger 20-1

Conrad Griffen 100-1

Salve Regina

Mat Grendel 10-1

Steve Walsh 50-1

Curry College

Tim Jones 9-1

Toby Brittain 9-1

Eastern Nazarene

Luc Jasmin 40-1

Colby Dasilva 100-1

Anna Maria

Quincy Nunnally 80-1

Endicott

Najmanja Marinkovic 5-2

Gary Corbett 80-1

Sam Evans 20-1

Gordon

Justin Kauffmen Even Money

Jon Marstaller 6-1

Mike Herr 10-1

Tim Deluca 100-1

Colby-Sawyer

Nate Truncellito 20-1

Duncan Szeliga 25-1

UNE

Issac Stickney 15-1

Tom Button 80-1

NEC

Kingsley Onyechi 2-1

Pat Quinn 35-1

Wentworth

Sherrad Prezie Blue 12-1

Todd Doyle 25-1



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 23, 2006, 09:28:04 AM

Some interesting stuff there.  You've got Onyechi and Marinkovic fighting for the top spot with Justin Lewis and Marstaller coming in next.


I think Marstaller has a better chance since his team should finish with a better record.  Marinkovic puts up good numbers, but I doubt he wins the award until he plays defense against Gordon.  They always seen to expose his weaknesses.

Onyechi and Lewis are both great players without as much publicity.  I think we'll also see some other sleepers show up as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on October 23, 2006, 01:21:41 PM
I am going to take either toby Brittain or Justin Kauffmen. Brittain will but up 20 and 10 numbers but not sure if curry will we enough games. Kauffmen should put up some points and gordon should win the league so he should be the top contender.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 23, 2006, 04:19:12 PM

Brittian didn't get 10 boards a game last year with an easier schedule.  Why would he get more this year, especially on a team that rarely hits the boards?  Brittian is more of a shot-blocking threat than a rebounder and he'll certainly be able to provide a lift there.



By the way.  Word on the street is that Onyechi is sitting this year out.  I'm looking for some official confirmation, but that could kill NEC's chance to move up a tier.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on October 23, 2006, 04:56:17 PM
Hoops Fan-

Are you sure that Curry was no better last year with or without Lamb?  That's a stretch!!  Sure he gave about a 75% effort most nights but he was still better that 99% of the CCC. (that means other than St. Clair) 

If you have ever seen Toby Britian play he is pretty good on both ends (his offensive numbers were hurt by a significant ankle injury last year) but still he has his work cut out to put up Lamb's numbers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 23, 2006, 05:08:55 PM
Lamb changed the dynamic of the team last year.  When he was out in the first semester, they hung tough with a lot of really good teams, even though they only had a five, sometimes six man rotation.  Once Lamb got back, they didn't become a better team, they just didn't get as tired.

Certainly he improved their capabilities when he was in the game, but I don't think he improved the results at all.  That being said, I would have rather had him than not have him, but I don't think they'll miss him too much this season.


Really good first post; welcome to the show.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MLamont1214 on October 23, 2006, 09:18:08 PM
I am confident curry will have a better year. With tim jones returning, the returners and some new recruits I feel they will make some noise. I went to the school website to see the roster, but it still hasn't been updated, any news on curry's new recruits?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on October 24, 2006, 12:05:15 AM
I personally like NEC's chances in the North.  I don't think they're ready to challenge Endicott, Gordon, or Colby-Sawyer, but I feel that they'll be able to beat out Wentworth and UNE.  As long as Onyechi can stay healthy, they're pretty good all around.  Pat Quinn is a good shooter and Bobby Montrond should find a good role with this team.  I look for them to be the #4 seed in the North, but I wouldn't be surprised if WIT beat them out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 24, 2006, 12:19:45 AM
It seems I hae heard something from every school at this point about class of '10 recruits, that is except for Endicott.  It seems Millette likes to keep a tight lid on who he brought in.  The only player I know that they brought in is a kid out of Cheverus High School in Portland, Maine, named Graham Whitelaw.  He played 1 or 2 in HS and was coached by a legend, but also a guy that ran a very tight system which sometimes limited players ability to shine.  Does anyone else know anthing about EC class.  Also I talked to a friend who coaches up in Maine and asked him about Maine kids that went to CCC school and the only one he knew of was some kid that went to CSC from Windham, Maine.   He is 6'6" and was described as both a stiff and an oaf.   Couple him with Duncan Szeliga and CSC is going to have a BIG but SLOW front Court.  With the loses they had look for them to battle with WIT, NEC for the forth and final playoff spot in the North.  Should be a fun one with a lot of new faces.  I will give an update and outlook on Gordon as we get closer to some games.  I like the new posters, we need some news from schools other than GC, CSC and EC once in a while.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 24, 2006, 02:59:27 AM
I actually had Kauffman as my odds on favorite at even money as I think they will win the league and I think he's a much better player than Marstaller.

I liked the odds format but I left out my last line which I think is important

250-1 The Field

any other player not listed

so for you Marriot, Jaziri, Dagnault, Gaine, Sullivan, Schnackenberg and Mercer fans out there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2006, 09:06:34 AM

Again, rumor has it Onyechi isn't playing ball this year.  I'm trying to confirm this, but have as yet been unsuccessful.


EC has a very, very good freshman class.  Millette is tight lipped and the fact that you got one name out is pretty impressive.  I haven't heard names or positions, but I've been told by reliable sources that this class is really good.  They brought Millette in based almost exclusively on his ability to recruit and it seems he's paying off already.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2006, 09:19:43 AM

Salve has their rost up, but it only features one freshman.  Not sure if they have a small class or if it's incomplete.  Tim Daly, forward from Berkley, Mass.

There are also two new sophs on the list, Ken Cizek from Avon, CT and Jabreche Boyd from West Haven, both guards.


EC's roster is up, but just with the returning players.  They really need some guards to step up.

UNE's is up and appears to be complete.  Greg Schwartzenberg, a 6'8" center, Brandon Cochran a 5'9" G and Tate O'Dell a 6'0" guard, all from Vermont.  It looks like there might be a couple of new Sophs in as well, mostly guards.  All of their big names from last year who didn't graduate are back.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2006, 12:33:36 PM

D3 News ranked Gordon #24 in the nation this year.  That might be a little high, but it certainly mean recognition.  We'll see if and how many votes they get in Pat's poll.  I can't imagine they'll be in the top 25, but they might get some votes from the region voters.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on October 24, 2006, 12:45:43 PM
Where can you find the top 25 ranking in d3news about Gordon?

Back to some of the curry stuff. Imagine if Alray Taylor, who was killed this summer, was still alive. He was suppose to have attended Curry as well this year from UNH, and prior to that Charlestown high school.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on October 24, 2006, 01:09:58 PM
The 24th in the nation ranking is a little high, but regardless they should run through the CCC schedule pretty easily barring any serious injuries. 

That means all the early POTY talk should start and end with Kauffman and possibly Marstaller.  The only other player worth mentioning at this point is Marinkovic only because he is the most complete player in the league and can collect stats in various categories.

By the way the loss of Onyechi to NEC, if valid, is a major blow.  They were on the verge of a "step-up" in the CCC this year but this seems to be the trend with lower tier teams. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2006, 01:14:07 PM
I saw the d3 news on the Salem newspaper website.


Marinkovic is a solid player against everyone, but Gordon.  That's been the MO since be got to the conference.  I don't think he'll get the support of the coaches until he proves he can make a difference in those big games.

If he can carry the load he'll be asked to carry this year, he'll have a chance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 24, 2006, 01:37:16 PM
Hoops Fan=Mystery Man.

Okay I am just wondering what you have heard about EC recruiting class.  This is what we know, Millette in the past has been a good recruiter.  He brought in one kid from Maine that played on a good High School team and a very good AAU team that sent 4 or 5 kids to d1 schools.  Other than that we know no names so how can you say they have a very good class.  They may or may not but with out names that means nothing.  Also remember you were very high on Conrad Griffin last year and he did nothing.  And being from Maine I could have told you he did nothing in a weak division that would indicate he was going to be a star.  So While I like hearing what you know about other schools and their players, and tend to agree with you a lot, what I am asking is does anyone know any of the incomming players at EC or other schools that can offer some insight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2006, 03:17:03 PM
I've never even heard of conrad griffin.  You must be mistaking me for someone else.

Seriously, I couldn't tell you what team he's on.

Honestly, you are right.  There is no reason to believe me.  I'm just reporting that I was told by someone I trust who knows the situation, that this was a good year for them.  Take it or leave it.  I try to get more info before I put anything crazy up here (although I feel like I'm out on a perilous limb with the Onyechi thing... still can't find anyone else who will say anything), I just trust this guy and I can't say any more without not being able to get anything from him in the future.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2006, 03:18:25 PM

I did get a glimpse into the new order at ENC recently.  Looks like the new coach is going to combat the lack of talent with hustle.  Those guys have been running their pants off.  They may even run during games, which would have been the smarter thing to do over the last couple of years.  But hey, I'm not the coach, right?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on October 24, 2006, 09:25:14 PM
D3 news also listed Marstaller as a honorable mention all american.

Thats a pretty solid honor for a junior.

I think he is the hands on favorite for POY so far. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoopnews on October 24, 2006, 09:53:18 PM
Mark it down...

POY: Mike Herr

Hardest match-up in the league and a very underrated athlete.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on October 24, 2006, 10:57:58 PM
I agree, Mike Herr is very under-rated.  It just doesn't help his cause to have Marstaller and Kauffman on his team.  Can't think of a more underrated player in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 25, 2006, 08:53:38 AM

Herr had a fantastic year two years ago and played less of a role last year.  I think he's certainly a big talent, but if he continues to sacrifice individual success for the benefit of the team (which I hope he does), he may not have the impact necessary to get the big award.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on October 25, 2006, 10:33:03 AM
They should established an Unsung Hero Award.  Mike Herr would defenetly be in the running for that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on October 25, 2006, 11:52:23 AM
If Herr was on many other conference squads, he would most likely be the best player on that team and headed for 1st team CCC.  But that's the price good players pay if they are on the best team in the conf.  Small price to pay to be playing deep into March......right?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on October 25, 2006, 12:42:03 PM
First team might be a reach since he would the focal point against other team's defenses, such as Prezzie-Blue and Onyechi.  Although he would certainly earn a spot on the second team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 25, 2006, 02:15:58 PM
I just noticed that the CCC women have adopted a new rule about making the playoffs for this season.  If the team that finishes 5th in one division has more CCC wins and a head-to head win over the team that finished 4th in the other division, the 5th place team gets the 8 seed.


I wonder if this will ever happen on the men's side?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on October 25, 2006, 04:14:48 PM
That rule change sounds fair to me.  What does everyone else think?

I still do not like the whole seeding in the CCC.  It should be top team in the North and South are 1 & 2 and the rest seeded by record.  But this is to early to start complaining about the playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoopnews on October 25, 2006, 04:38:18 PM
While there are many different seeding options, when you have two divisions that don't play equal schedules there is no perfect seeding format.  With that said, the way it is constituted on the men's side is the most fair.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 25, 2006, 05:16:39 PM
We talk about this every year.  The most fair thing to do would be make this a 10 team conference and then have the top 8 make the playoffs, but we can only dream.  On another note EC has their roster up with all their players including the Freshman there are 6 of them.  I am going to do a little research but if anyone knows anything about these fellas I would love to hear it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoopnews on October 25, 2006, 09:35:08 PM
Does anyone know why Mayi and Evans aren't on their roster?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 25, 2006, 09:48:36 PM
I heard Mayi got booted off for smoking or selling, having something to do with weed.  But that is just what I heard don't take it as gospel.  I had heard Evans wasn't comming back but the weird thing is he was in their little season preview article on their web-stie.  Anyway I am going to chime in sometime tonight or tomorrow with a GC preview.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 26, 2006, 02:52:40 AM
I too have heard Evans will be back this year but you're right he dosn't seem to appear on that roster.

Also Hoops Fan for what it's worth from my guys I have heard that Oneychi WILL be playing this year, so we'll have to see how this plays out. I to had heard the rumor he wasn't but one of my trusted sources says he has been practicing and will play.

Also Wentworth appears to have their roster up as does UNE. UNE seems to have brought in some backcourt guys which they sorely needed with the guys they had leaving. Wentworth's Weonard Bynes is not listed on their roster- that also interests me. They may be even smaller than I thought!

Lastly yes Mike Herr is a very talented player but Kauffman is the one on that team that stands out for me. I think he's the best bet for POY
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2006, 08:46:56 AM

Word I got is that Evans blew out his ACL in practice???  Not sure about that, but it would explain his absence from the roster.

Kevin Powers in the younger brother of Ron Powers from Nichols.  When Ron was a freshman, I heard rumors that his younger brother was even better, but that's total speculation and more than a year old.

I also heard EC had an "interesting" transfer, but no idea what that means or which guy it is.


On Onyechi, I'm believing things less and less from NEC.  I never could get someone to confirm it and now I'm hearing even more crazy things.  Who knows what's going on.  We might have to wait until the first game to see for sure who's playing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2006, 08:53:28 AM

AMC has their roster up, minus the newcomers.  Bryan Porcaro is indeed back on the roster, which should help them out a little.

Gordon got their roster up since yesterday as well.  All the big names and five freshmen, one 6'9" and another 6'8."  It looks like they could be building a very competitive frontcourt for the future.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on October 26, 2006, 09:28:59 AM
Wentworth has four kids over 6'4''.  Seems to be on par with some of the teams they play.  Does anyone know what happened to Bynes?  That kid could jump
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2006, 09:31:28 AM

It's not official until its official, but if he is gone, it's not too uncommon at WIT.  Wentworth had a pretty rigorous freshman year and lots of guys get out after that, moving on to other places.  I don't know if that's what happened to Bynes or even if anything happened to him at this point, but it would make sense.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 26, 2006, 11:13:38 AM
Well I said I was going to, so here is what I know about Gordon this season.
Losses:
Aaron Vogelzang-graduation, John Beebe-graduation, Peter Hassler-graduation and Mark Beebe-DNR (he is back at school just chose not to play).

Additions:
Ben Gaskill 6'9" F/C, I watched the guys play pick up a couple of times and this kid is good.  He is a legit 6'9" athlete.  He moves better than any big man in the league and will be one of the best to play in the ccc at the end of his tenure.  I heard that he was being recruited buy some big time  D3 ohio schools, I am not sure which but one lost in the national championship game last year so I am thinking this kid is going to be solid.

Jeff Derr 6'8" F/C This kid is a good player who when he fills out it going to be a very good back to the basket type of player.  He and Gaskill are going to be one heck of a front court tandem in the future.  He was also being recruited hard by big name midwestern school but Schauer and Martin brought him in big pick up for the future of Gordon Basketball.

Arron Trigg 6'1" G  Aaron, so I have heard was the male athlete of the year in the state of Kansas.  He was a three sport athlete, football, basketball and track and looks like he is going to be a very solid addition to Gordon's backcourt might be a shorter version of an Aaron Vogelzang, but I think he is more of a 1-2 than a 3.

Brady Bajema 6'2" G  The son of a coach and a winner, I think two time state champ.  Brady brings a winning attitude to the program.  From what I saw he doesn't wow you with skill but does all the little things right, every great team has one of these guys and I think Brady will make a much bigger impact on the team than his stats may ever indicate.

I honestly don't know much about the other two freshman Ben Drake and Timothy MacDonnell so I am not going to comment other than both are gaurds.

What follows is 10% talking with people, 10% hearing things and 80% educated guess.

Starting Five

Mike Schnackenberg
John Marstaller
Mike Herr
Jerry Logan
Justin Kaufman

Bench Players who will play

Tim Deluca
Nick Marino
Aaron Trigg
Ben Gaskill
Brady Bajema

Look for break out years from Deluca and Schnackenberg, Marino should also be a pleasent suprise, and Trigg will lead the way in playing time for freshman.


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 26, 2006, 11:16:48 AM
Thats a tough hit for WIT if Weonard Bynes is gone.  He really started to put it together last year at the end of the season, and he torched Gordon when they played at WIT.  I am not sorry to see he go because Gordon doesn't have to face him but it sucks when good young talent leaves a league that needs it bad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on October 26, 2006, 11:43:19 AM
Good point Maq, Bynes posted 25pts and 12 boards against Gordon.  A big reason they only lost by ten.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2006, 02:03:53 PM

Gordon looks to have begun their legitimate national recruiting.  They are working to be a player.  Especially if it's true that they stole Gaskill from Wittenburg, a team known for producing top quality big men.

Trigg's state waward was for well rounded athlete (community service and grades too), not that he's a slouch.  He placed 2nd in the state in the 800 meters and was Quarterback for the football team for three years.

I expect Gordon will work them in slowly this season and be prepared for major contributions in 07-08.


Rumor I heard was Bynes had some financial aid fall through at WIT and their working to get him enrolled for 2nd semester.  Again, just a rumor.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 26, 2006, 02:26:54 PM
Hoops Fan,

You should start a subscription site like espn insider.  You have more rumors than Peter Gamons during the winter meetings.  But in all seriousness when are you going to make your preseason predictions?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2006, 04:25:23 PM

I don't usually make pre-season predictions.  I'll give a rundown of the teams when we know for sure who's playing for each team and basically give my take on them all.  I don't do a formal 1-6 thing, but you'll know how I feel about all of them.

It's just so hard to know anything in the CCC until conference games start at the earliest, but realistically, until second semester rosters are finalized in January, it's all up in the air.

That's one of the reasons I love this conference.

Gordon will be my prohibitive favorite, much like everyone else.  I'm worried about the lack of talk from New London.  They haven't been this quiet since the summer before they introduced us all to Andy St. Clair, Colin Bray, and the crew.  Foti might have something up his sleeve.

Long answer, short: the week before thankgiving.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2006, 04:26:35 PM

And those rumors are really suprising to me.  I've lost most of my contacts with insider knowledge around the league as people move on and stuff and this summer a bunch of people came to me and let me with scoops and info.  I'm not exactly sure how accurate everybody is yet, so it's all rumor until I can sort out who I can trust.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on October 26, 2006, 08:38:08 PM
Even if Foti has has nice freshman/transfer class up his sleeve, what are the chances he can come even close to replacing what was lost? He not only lost his best players, he lost his best leaders. 
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Post by: jj on October 26, 2006, 08:45:59 PM
By the way- looks like the Nichols roster is up.  Few new faces, a couple missing faces.
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Post by: akirk on October 27, 2006, 08:01:38 AM
Well everyone, we have just three weeks until the games start.  I can't wait!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 27, 2006, 09:12:04 AM

Nichols has a lot of freshmen and not much height.  It will be the Justin Lewis/Ross Powers show, no doubt.  I'm sure Baskerville and Vallee will also continue to contribute.


Wentworth has theirs up as well.  No Bynes.  Maybe he is working on financial aid to get back after Christmas.  Doyle and PB&J are there, along with some new names.  They have some freshmen and sophomores with height joining the program.  We'll see how it works out.
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Post by: Hoopnews on October 28, 2006, 07:01:22 AM
Wentworth's strength was the backcourt so losing Hall (to graduation) and Bynes will be tough.  It looks like Nichols lost both of their point guards along with Casey Butler.  Does anyone know if one of their freshman can play point?
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Post by: backboard on October 29, 2006, 02:26:31 PM
Hall also led their team in turnovers, so with him gone, Wentworth's offense (ranked 4th last year) could be more productive.
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Post by: heythere on October 29, 2006, 09:21:30 PM
Wenworth was a much better team without hall then with him last year.  wentworth could suprise people this year. last year that started strong and won 8 out of there first 12.
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Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2006, 10:08:03 AM

All Wentworth lost was the rebounding.  If they can make that up, they're better off.


Anyone hear anything about the pre-season poll yet?  It's not posted on the website.  Do we know if the coaches have a ballot yet or a deadline?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 30, 2006, 10:29:42 AM
Poll wont be out untill at least next monday.  The CCC will most likely wait untill soccer and field hockey are over.  And I think the coaches meet the sunday before the season so I would look for it to come out the end of next week or the beginning of the week after.
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Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2006, 01:46:49 PM

ENC has gone to some old school discipline.  Apparently, last week two members of the team missed a presentation for a class and had to sit courtside and watch the rest of the squad sprint for two hours.  No word on talent, but they will certainly be in shape.
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Post by: Muff10 on October 30, 2006, 05:22:06 PM
Just wanted to take a minute to say RIP Red....

the greatest basketball mind of all-time.  He will be missed
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2006, 09:18:20 AM

I hope everyone who is able is going to be at the game tomorrow night.  It's killing me that I can't be there.  The Boston send-off to Red will be an unbelievable event.
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Post by: gullfan on October 31, 2006, 11:59:15 AM
Red was and will ALWAYS BE synonomous with Celtics Basketball. A great mind and inovator of the game. More important was how he treated his players. What a guy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on October 31, 2006, 04:54:17 PM
I also heard from someone that Onyechi isnt playing this year, that could be bad news.

2 1/2 weeks left til tipoff what team is goin to surprise us this year
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2006, 05:18:45 PM

NEC is notoriously bad about getting info out, the best way might be to corner their coach at the coach's meeting.  I would assume that will be at ENC this year, as Nancy Detweiler is the AD responsible for basketball this year??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on October 31, 2006, 10:18:48 PM
Hoops fan - I've followed your insights for a while now. Would be curious as to what you think EC will do this year?
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Post by: Maq Diesel on October 31, 2006, 11:57:57 PM
Gull fan what is the word on Endicott's freshman.  And team for that matter.  Nice to have an EC fan on board.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 01, 2006, 06:20:30 AM
That's my point. I'm a fan, love the school -don't know too much. Couldn't give you break downs. I do know that Sam Evans loss is a potentially big hole for a youngster to try and fill. Their bios on the website look impressive. Let's hope that Coach Millette, with a year under his belt, can keep the tradition of NCAA appearances going. Then add a win or two! Told you I was a fan ;
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2006, 08:57:59 AM

I don't know how good the newcomers are.  From what I've heard in rumors, they could be useful right away.  I'm still not sure that will make them competitive for the title.  They'll be good.  EC overacheived last year, as far as I'm concerned, and they'd have to do it again to keep from a dropoff.  I'd say this is more of a retooling year as Millette shapes the roster to play the kind of ball he likes.  There will be a lot of big number games for Marinkovic.

There is some good experience on the roster with guys who've put in the time and work hard, but talent wise I'm not sure how they stack up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 01, 2006, 10:19:39 AM
EC seems to get up for the big ones in conference. There's nothing better than EC and GC or EC and CSC, in either gym! I also like Roger Williams. There a few guys there that can play. If Dan Gumb comes back 100% he makes them that much better.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2006, 12:28:59 PM

Curry will be tough as well.  They may self-destruct mentally again, but they will sure wear you out beating them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 01, 2006, 12:33:35 PM
It always seems that EC has a tougher preseason, tourney schedule.  Is it just me? That should help them. Last year (i.e.) they were right with Anherst till the big bodies the Jeffs came with got to be too much.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2006, 12:38:10 PM

Tufts is going to be every bit as good as Amherst this year.  Amherst might still be the favorite in the head-to-head, but it's not like one can be considered on a different level than the other.  Then Keene State, Bates, MIT and WPI are all top three in their conferences.  Wheaton is no pushover.  Then you have Bridgewater.  This schedule might not be built for a good QOWI ranting, but it certainly will test every bit of that EC team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2006, 02:12:18 PM

Pre-season poll is out.  Gordon represents the CCC well, coming in with 57 votes, tied for 31st most in the poll.  They were the 4th highest vote getter from the NE region, coming in behind NESCAC powers Amherst, Tufts and Bates.

I guess GC isn't sneaking up on anyone this year.  They'll have to earn it every time out, with the target on their back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2006, 02:23:45 PM

We've also got a roster for RWU.

As far as I can tell, everyone who should be back is back and they've added five Freshmen.  All the newcomers appear to be guards, or smallish forwards.  I don't think I'm up for researching freshmen this year; someone else is going to have to do the google searches.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 01, 2006, 04:12:06 PM
As far as I can tell RWU roster is missing last years #1 recruit Conrad Griffin who was not as good as advertised but was a good 6'4"-6'5" swingman for them. Not sure what happened but he got a good amount of minuets off the bench and scored alright they will miss him this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 03, 2006, 04:24:04 PM
Preseason tourneys start soon. Anybody braggin' yet? EC has a tough row to hoe so I'd love to see .500 to start the season. Lots of questions. To paraphrase Paul Simon "where have you gone Matt de Georgio"!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 04, 2006, 11:59:06 AM

Another random rumor alert.  Onyechi is transferring for second semester, no owrd on where.


GC travels to Emerson for a scrimmage tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 04, 2006, 05:23:18 PM
When Onyechi went down at the end of last year, his team was able to hang around for a while and barely missed the playoffs.  If they can continue that kind of play with the contributions for their freshmen, they could be alright.  With that being said, they could have been really good with Onyechi. coming back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 04, 2006, 08:15:57 PM
Gordon played at Emerson today and won by 23.  I did not get a chance to catch the game but from what I heard Gordon played sloppy.  I have seen Emmerson before and I know they play crazy pressing d-fence and that might have accounted for the sloppy play but Gordon is the better team and showed it with the winning margin.  Gordon has one more scrimage before the Tip-off tourney we will see how they look, I should be able to be at that one.  Anyone else know of any preseaon games?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2006, 09:14:50 AM

Again, this is rumor from a new source.  So we'll all find out how accurate he is when the officials rosters come out.

He says Onyechi is not playing this semester and transferring to Curry for the second half.  Also, he says Montrod is not playing either.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 06, 2006, 09:54:59 PM
I went a watched Gordon scrimage against Becker tonight and man was it ugly.  They played to games basically halfs and Gordon won the first 57-20 and their starters got less than 10 minuets of playing time.  In the second game which featured the Second half of the Gordon bench Gordon again won handily 44-24.  Gordon doesn't look like they are there wuite yet but this is going to be a very good team this year and the freshman class is going to be something special in a year or so.  As far as Onyechi goes I heard for a kid I went to high school with that went to NEC, that his injury towards the end of last year was so severe that it might have ended his carreer and he is not playing this year, but that is just what I have heard.  If he is going to Curry I would say Gordon #1 and Curry #2.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2006, 08:54:09 AM

I think Curry will have a strong squad, especially with the trade off (essentially) of Lamb for Tim Jones.


However, the total lack of silence from New London is still bothering me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2006, 09:10:07 AM

ENC has their roster up.  It looks like they are returning most of the players from last year; Jasmin is there, but apparently he's 6'7" now.


They have a couple of upperclassmen names I don't recognize and a few freshmen, but not much height.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on November 07, 2006, 10:01:24 AM
wow he grew 4 inches in the offseason, that must be nice lol

curry has a real good squad, if the transfer is true. look for them to make some major noise late in the year
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 08, 2006, 03:06:35 PM

ENC won a scrimmage with Daniel Webster, for whatever that's worth.

They've also got a pretty good freshman pg, apparently.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on November 08, 2006, 04:23:51 PM
I don't think the ENC scrimmage win over Daniel Webster means much at all, BUT the news about a promising young PG is meaningful.  Who was the last good, true PG at ENC?  Been a while I think.  This may allow them to play a little more uptempo without all the turnovers they have had in recent years.

Also, it is early but the last playoff spot in the South may be up for grabs this year.  Nichols has some good players back but it looks like they lost both of their PG's from last year.  AMC has Nunally and Porcaro back and a new coach that gets alot out of his players.  ENC has returned their young players and may have added some more.  We'll see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 08, 2006, 04:54:00 PM

Um, Matt Chewning was at ENC two season ago right?  Didn't he just graduate in '04.  That doesn't seem like a long time to me, but whatever.

The life cycle of players in here is getting short.



Who was that big dude CSC had a while back, the guy who won all those POY awards?




(Since jj may be relatively new, this is a disclaimer to point out that we're poking fun at each other and this jab should not be construed as trash talk or bad mouthing.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on November 08, 2006, 07:51:26 PM
Hoops,

I don't mind poking fun but I will still give a response back. 

If you read closely I said "true point guard."  If you think Chewning was a true point guard you need to re-think.   If I remember right he played both positions but was much more effective from the wing.  He played alot at the point his senior year due to necessity because again.....they had none.     




Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2006, 09:16:35 AM
Actually, it was the other way around.  Chewning played PG for three years almost exclusively and then had to play both guard positions his senior year because no one else could score.


We can probably let him answer it himself.  I'm sure he'll show up to start posting here in a week or so.



FYI: this day last year was when the Pre-season poll was released.  Be looking for that soon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on November 09, 2006, 10:42:21 AM
As far as I remember that is incorrect.  The ENC backcourt for quite a while (2-3 years) was Harvey, Chewning and Cardoso.  In that time Chewning played sub minutes at the point along with the occassional start, but thats about it.

Enough of the past!!!  What's everyone's thoughts on the coaches poll coming out.  Who will be the top 4 vote getters?  I see it as Gordon, Endicott, RWU then Curry.  CSC out of the top 4 is unheard of but they have alot of holes to fill.

   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 09, 2006, 11:04:49 AM
Anybody have a sense of how Salve is going to be? Coach Foster knows his stuff and they sure play a physical style -  at least when I've seen them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2006, 11:44:15 AM

I don't know if Salve has what it takes to move into the top tier of the conference, but they've basically got the same team as last year, but a year older.

Take that for what you will.  I think they are easily a playoff team, but where they land is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru2 on November 10, 2006, 07:23:56 AM
Whats up everyone?  Its the Cru, just under another name.  Its been so long that I forgot my password so I had to get a new name.  I still have the scoop on most things ENC. 


Coach Yeh is going to be a good fit at ENC, and if nothing else wants his team to be the most conditioned team in the conference.  For the past few months the entire team has been getting up at 6 am to run.  They may not be able to play good basketball, but man they will be able to beat you in a race. 

Honestly the verdict is still out on the team.  They had a good scrimmage the other day, but I guess the team they played wasnt that good. 

Well guys its good to be back.  Its been a long offseason.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoopnews on November 10, 2006, 07:29:09 AM
A lot of new faces at Curry:

http://www.curry.edu/Athletics/Mens+Sports/Basketball/Roster.htm
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on November 10, 2006, 08:16:30 AM
Hoops:  I think Ethan Betts was the big man from CSC you were trying to remember from one of your previous posts.  I think he was on that team with Paquette...and Jay Como maybe?  Ah the days of yester-year...Should be a competetive yr for the CCC, looking forward to the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2006, 09:14:22 AM

Everyone was on the team with Jay Como; he spread his three years of playing out over the better part of a decade.  He was a sophomore my freshman year and a junior my senior year.  He was also a guard.  So was Paquette.  Betts was a big guy and a bad dude, in a good way.  I'm just answering this obvlivious to the sarcasm to which I'm assuming you were also intentionally oblivious.

Curry does have a lot of newcomers.  Johnathan Bowers, the 6-10 transfer played a year or two at Ferris State in D2; he's legit.  Add to that Toby Brittian from Lesley and you've got a pretty good post presence.  Lamarre is back for rebounding off the bench and Tim Jones returns to run the team.  This is going to be a very good Curry squad.  Gordon won't match up with them very well.  That game could be a great one this spring.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2006, 09:48:33 AM

I was just looking at the schedules for the opening week.  ENC is matched up with Keene State to open the KSC tip-off tournament.  The problem is, when they lose, they will be matched up with (probably) Lesley in the consolation game, Saturday the 19th.  Then ENC gets to play Lesley again, Tuesday the 21st.  I sure hope ENC has improved from last season or it could be a bummer of a weekend for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 10, 2006, 10:48:59 AM
Is Lesley a pretty good team?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2006, 11:46:33 AM

No, but they were better than ENC last year, when ENC got the priviledge of being the first ever victory for the Lesley men's basketball program.  That was a bit of a sore spot in Quincy last year; I was just getting in a little good natured ribbing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2006, 11:49:30 AM

By the way, totally didn't recognize our returning celebrity, Hayes Murray.  Welcome to the board.  Good to have you around again.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on November 10, 2006, 04:13:15 PM
Rumor has it that Lesley will have a totally new squad this year, as their coach from last year left again, so maybe there is a chance for improvement.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on November 11, 2006, 12:28:51 AM
losing toby doesnt help though. any word if the new guys are any good, and were there from. there web site still doesnt have a roster up
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on November 11, 2006, 04:56:45 PM
Havnt heard too much about the exacts of the roster, but I heard a rumor that Joe Chatman, from Franklin Pierce and previously U Lowell is going there. Also a kid I think named Stanley Chamblain from Keene St. is going there. As far as others im not quite sure.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2006, 09:28:39 AM

Anna Maria added Freshmen to their roster.  Four guards all 6' or shorter.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru2 on November 13, 2006, 10:33:11 AM
Are you sure you weren't looking at their girls roster?

ENC had a scrimmage against Johnson and Wales on Saturday.  They started off really well, considering they were without two very important contributors in Andrew Brown and Ryan Seaberg.  They lost, but were in the game late.
For what its worth, ENC looks much better than they did in the past.  I don't see them as a basement dweller this season. 

They may not win 20 games, but they will compete each and every game... 

.... it couldnt get any worse than last year though!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on November 13, 2006, 05:44:30 PM
did enc look good or did j@w look bad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 13, 2006, 08:49:55 PM
I heard that Endicott scrimmaged Brandeis. Anybody have any info? Wasn't there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: eclinchy on November 13, 2006, 09:13:28 PM
Endicott fans: the Tufts Tip-Off Tournament is webcast online at http://www.jumbocast.com, for anyone who's interested.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 14, 2006, 06:11:54 AM
Thanks. Is that an audio feed or is there video too?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru2 on November 14, 2006, 07:30:36 AM
ENC had spurts of looking very good.  ENC's big man Luc Jasmin played really well down low, despite not shooting well at all from the foul line.  Since it was only a scrimmage, Coach Yeh played a variety of people in a variety of positions.  The starting 5 jumped out to an 8 - 0 lead, then when subs started to come in, that slowed down.  Their starting point guard was on the bench, probably because of disciplinary reasons.  So ENC actually looked pretty good for whats it worth.  I can compare them to the ENC teams of the last 5 years, and I think this team has the potential to actually compete. 

I don't know anything about J&W, so I dont know how well they should have played.  Anyone have any info on them?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2006, 09:15:25 AM

Word I hear is that starting guard at ENC won't be starting for too long.  The new kid is looking very solid.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2006, 09:26:52 AM
CSC has a roster up.  Besides the three guys from Vermont, they also have a 6'4" guard from Ellsworth and a 6'6" forward from Windham.


They also have the pre-season poll posted (way to be on top of things conference website)

North Division     Points
1. Gordon [11]          119
2. Endicott [1]    106
3. Colby-Sawyer    97
4. Wentworth Inst.    82
t-5. New England Col.    68
t-5. New England    68

South Division    
1. Roger Williams [6]    111
2. Curry [3]                 102
3. Salve Regina [2]    101
4. Nichols [1]                   93
5. Eastern Nazarene    72
6. Anna Maria                 63
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2006, 09:28:15 AM

Judging by the votes in the pre-season poll, the rumors about all the defections from NEC must be true.  No way they finish that low with the team they had returning.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Newburyport on November 14, 2006, 03:26:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 14, 2006, 09:26:52 AM
CSC has a roster up.  Besides the three guys from Vermont, they also have a 6'4" guard from Ellsworth and a 6'6" forward from Windham.


They also have the pre-season poll posted (way to be on top of things conference website)

North Division     Points
1. Gordon [11]          119
2. Endicott [1]    106
3. Colby-Sawyer    97
4. Wentworth Inst.    82
t-5. New England Col.    68
t-5. New England    68

South Division    
1. Roger Williams [6]    111
2. Curry [3]                 102
3. Salve Regina [2]    101
4. Nichols [1]                   93
5. Eastern Nazarene    72
6. Anna Maria                 63

From what I saw last season in the CCC the team that will be better than this poll indicates is Nichols.  They're feisty and are only a big man away from being really tough.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 14, 2006, 03:32:04 PM
Anyone know anything about the Spaulding trio at CSC?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: eclinchy on November 14, 2006, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: gullfan on November 14, 2006, 06:11:54 AM
Thanks. Is that an audio feed or is there video too?

Video, hopefully complete with nifty little on-screen score displays and commentary from two broadcasters.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 14, 2006, 05:10:39 PM
That's cool because I have to work and a couple of us can catch the game in the dorm before we leave! Thanks for the input. Go Gulls!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 14, 2006, 05:45:13 PM
I somewhat agree on Nichols I think they are going to be better than fourth in the South that being said.  They have two good players Justin Lewis and Chris Valee both 6'3"-6'4" and no point guard.  So while they looked good last year there are some question marks surrounding that team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2006, 09:28:07 AM

As far as Nichols goes, Baskerville is still on the roster and although he's listed as a G/F, he is a very capable ball-handler and one of their leading assist men.  Ron Powers is a good post player as well.  If he continues to develop they will be competitive.  However, they will have to improve to finish higher than 4th because the three teams above them all got better.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2006, 09:29:19 AM

The Spaulding trio at CSC comes highly touted.  There were several newspaper stories about them when they made their committments to CSC.  I'm not sure exactly how much they will figure into the line-up this year, but they should all see at least good bench minutes and will be ready to take over a lot of leadership next season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 15, 2006, 11:08:02 AM
Hey hoops Fan,
  You seem to be the most informed out there. How about a scouting report on my Gulls. Everybody knows about Marinkovic. He's been there and is well documented.
What can we expect from the rest?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2006, 12:06:45 PM
I've done some random reviews and such as schedules and rosters have been made available, so there might be more detail if you want to scroll back through the pages.


However, as far as EC goes, it seems like a crap shoot this year.  I would have had a ton more confidence in them if Evans hadn't gotten hurt.  They are going into this year with essentially one go-to player (Marinkovic) who has excelled in every game, with the exception of those against Gordon.

They've got an absolutely killer schedule in the non-conference, opening with RIC and then (if they even get by RIC, which will be an upset) Tufts.  They also have Keene, MIT, Bates, WPI, Wheaton (MA) and Bridgewater before Christmas.

That would have been a gauntlet last year and this team is certainly down from last year.  Corbett and Burton provide some experience on the floor, but honestly we don't yet know how they will respond when they are relied upon to carry the team.  Mike Sullivan is a big dude, but he's never shown me much.

The upside is Millette's recruiting.  He's going to bring guys in who can play, but I'm afraid this may be the down year in between systems and styles of play.  I think Brandon Diaz has a lot of potential at the point, which could go far in solidifying the team, but there are way, way more questions than answers.

Bottom line:  they are (or should be) plenty good enough to make the playoffs without much trouble, probably third place in my estimation.  They don't have any sort of realistic shot to challenge for a title unless Millette becomes a miracle worker (or these freshman are much better than advertised).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 16, 2006, 09:21:14 AM
NEC has their roster up.  I really don't know enough about that team to comment but what we all expected has been confirmed.  Also Gordon has a preseason preview up on their web site and the just launched a new itunes site, www.itunes.gordon.edu  On the site under Gordon Athletics you will find a coaches show and a hilight film from last year.  Look for more updates throughout the season but should be a nice little addition.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2006, 11:17:05 AM

My source was right, no Montrod, no Onyechi.  We'll see if they show up anywhere after the holidays.  Sylvia, Quinn and Jaziri are all solid players, but not enough to win.  Unless their freshmen class is stacked, they will be fighting for the 5th spot up North with UNE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2006, 09:17:35 AM
Alright, games begin tonight.  Here's this weekend's line-up:

Friday
AMC vs Bard at Rivier
CSC vs Springfield at Brandeis
CC vs Baldwin-Wallace at Alvernia
ENC at Keene State
EC vs Rhode Island College at Tufts
GC hosts Mt Ida
NEC hosts Maine-Presque Isle
NC vs Worcester State at Becker
RWU hosts Maine-Fort Kent
SRU vs Maine-Machais at Bridgewater State
UNE vs Norwich at Hamilton
WIT vs William Patterson at Drew

Saturday
AMC vs Rivier or Johnson State at Rivier
CSC vs Brandeis or Newbury at Brandeis
CC vs Alvernia or Rutgers-Camden at Alvernia
ENC vs Marymount or Lesley at Keene State
EC vs Tufts or Lasell at Tufts
GC hosts MIT or Middlebury
NEC hosts Framingham State or Medgar Evers
NC vs Becker or WPI at Becker
RWU hosts Bowdoin or Salem State
SRU vs Bridgewater State or St. Joseph's (ME) at Bridgewater State
UNE vs Hamilton or Hartwick at Hamilton
WIT vs Drew or Hunter at Drew
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 17, 2006, 11:21:21 PM
Gulls got hammered tonight. Way too generous - gave the ball away like crazy. Had to be 30 turnovers!!!!!! Rhode Island didn't impress, even with the bad play of Endicott. Lots of new faces - hope they get it together. My boys need to bounce back!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 18, 2006, 10:20:47 AM
CSC lost to Springfield 77-53. 

--Andrew Cousins: 14 pts.
--Andrew Tracy (Freshman): 6 pts and 10 rebounds

Chargers have Newbury today. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 18, 2006, 10:34:40 AM
Here are some more CCC scores:

Rhode Island College 73 - Endicott 59   
Norwich 76 - UNE 59
Baldwin-Wallace 110 - Curry 70
William Paterson 84 - Wentworth Tech 69
Salve Regina 81 – Maine-Machias 61     
Keene State 103 - Eastern Nazarene 65 
Springfield 77 - Colby-Sawyer 53
Gordon 89 - Mount Ida 72
Nichols 91 - Worcester State 65     
Anna Maria 72 - Bard 56     
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2006, 12:37:01 PM
AMC over Bard 72-56.  I can't find stats anywhere on this one.

CSC goes down to Springfield 53-77.  I'll chalk this one up to new faces and new roles.  Not that they should have beaten Springfield, but you have to expect them to take some time to adjust to new personnel.  CSC shot only 25% for the game and allowed Springfield to shoot nearly 40%.  I like the well-rounded scoring from CSC; once they figure out their chemistry issues, they should be a team that will make you work.  Andrew Tracy had 10 boards, Andrew Cousins had 14 points.

Curry loses to Baldwin Wallace 70-110.  Both teams like to run and Baldwin-Wallace is a top 30 team in the country, so this is a rough way to start.  They seemed to have trouble down low with all-american Tori Davis and were totally out-rebounded.  One bright spot for Curry: they shot very well from three.  They had only 10 assists however and played virtually no defense.  They were led by the two transfers in scoring (Williams with 20 and Brittain with 16) Prescod put in 14 points and Brittain got a tech.  Tim Jones didn't play for some reason and neither did Bowers.  They lacked an inside presence that Bowers (and possibly Onyechi after the break) will provide.  Anyone know why Tim Jones didn't play?  I'm interested to see what happens with this.  I sure hope he's not injured again.

ENC got spanked by Keene State 65-103.  I guess the new coach has them running alright, but he's yet to have them play defense.  Keene emptied their whole bench and extended the lead.  Either this Keene team is much better than expected or ENC is even worse than last year.  Jasmin had 21 on 10-11 shooting, a very good showing for him.  Duda had 14.  ENC shot well, but they were dominated on the boards and allowed Keene to take twice as many shots.  There is no way you can win in that situation.

EC got beat by RIC 59-73, but were able to force RIC to keep their starters on the floor.  It certainly wasn't a blow-out and a decent first game for another team looking for new chemistry.  They struggled from the line and committed 30 turnovers, but they played hard.  Burton and Burgos each had 14, Sullivan had 12 and Marinkovic had 10, mostly on FTs.  It appears that RIC keyed on Nemanja and the other players were unable to step up.  I think if they can get the turnovers under control they'll be alright.

GC beat Mt. Ida 89-72 in their home opener.  The threes weren't falling, but GC got to the line 52 times, hitting 39 of them to seal the deal.  Logan had 27 points and 5 steals, Herr had 22 points and Kauffman chipped in 21.  Ida had four guys foul out with anothed for an elobow to the face.  Marstaller only played 20 minutes and wasn't in foul trouble.  The summary didn't mention injuries, but something must have been up.  We'll let the GC guys fill us in.

NEC beat Presque Isle 117-95 in their opener.  NEC can certainly score.  It doesn't seem the loss of Onyechi and Montrod has stopped that.  Although they didn't exactly have the most challenging opponent in the world.  Jaziri led the way with 27 points (25 of them in the first half), Tonkavich had 20 and Quinn, filling in at the point had 18 with 7 assists.  No box score there yet, but NEC might not be as dead as I thought.

Nichols wins big over Worcester State, 91-65.  I didn't expect a blowout.  I guess NC is playing well to start the year.  The bison played nine players, but relied on Vallee and Lewis for most of their scoring.  Both had 7 rebounds, Valle scoring 29 and Lewis 26.  They seemed to have replaced the lost guards well winning both the rebounding and turnover battles.  Turnovers were key again in this game and Nichols looks to be on form for this year.

RWU just destroyed Fort Kent in the home opener, 82-43.  The scoring was spread around evenly with Wooley leading the way at 14.  Gumb and freshman Laughton each had 11 and Barranger put up a double-double with 10 and 10.  they shot well, but were never really tested.  They get Salem State tonight.

SRU beat ME-Machias 81-61 at Bridgewater.  I can't find any stats on this game yet.

UNE got whooped by Norwich over in Upstate New York 59-76.  Stickney went for 15 and 12, Selmer and Marriot had 12 each.  UNE's hot shooting cooled in the second half and their lack of depth killed them.

Wentworth must be looking to run this year, because William Patterson certainly doesn't.  WIT goes down to a team that won an NCAA tournament game last year with 37 total points, 69-84.  Actually this score is a lot closer than I expected it to be.  WPU did empty their bench, but WIT hung tough.  doyle had an awful game, but PB&J kept them in it with 22.  Bolton had 14 points and Wentworth (appropiately named) had 10.  They shot 40% from the floor, but allowed 51% shooting from WPU.  Most of the other numbers are pretty even; they just got beat.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2006, 12:41:23 PM

Tonight:

AMC vs Rivier at Rivier
CSC vs Newbury at Brandeis
CC vs Rutgers-Camden at Alvernia
ENC vs Marymount at Keene State
EC vs Lasell at Tufts
GC vs MIT at Gordon
NEC vs Framingham State at NEC
NC vs WPI at Becker
RWU vs Salem State at RWU
SRU vs Bridgewater State at Bridgewater
UNE vs Hartwick at Hamilton
WIT vs Hunter at Drew


And the big question:  What happened to Tim Jones?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on November 18, 2006, 01:06:18 PM
quick summary of the GC/Ida game.

Kaufman had 27 and Logan had 21 just to clarify stats.

Marstaller picked up 2 quick fouls in the first half and sat till halftime and then when he came in the second he picked up another quick one right away so he sat again.  I wouldn't be worried about him though, he'll be his usual self this season.

Refs were whistle happy, 3 techs and a ejection plus Mt. Ida's whole startin lineup fouled out.  They even gave Marstaller a T and he is has to be the quietest kid in the world.  They pretty much killed the flow of the game.

Kaufman picked up were he left off last year. He was the go to guy for Gordon in second half.   

Aaron Trigg played real well for freshman, he's gonna be a player to watch.  He could be something special in a couple years.

The game overall was sloppy and Gordon had trouble holding their lead.  I think tonights game against MIT will be a better judge of how good this team can be.  I'll post last nights game to first game rust as well as poor reffing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on November 18, 2006, 05:32:10 PM
CSC beat Newbury 74-70.. i think this was much closer than CSC would have liked it to be.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 18, 2006, 08:51:30 PM
 Nice comeback win for my Gulls! Granted, Laseel isn't the test that RIC was, but they took care of the ball. Defensive intensity was there today. Still some growing pains but they responded pretty well after last night.
Saw Mike Sullivan step up and be the take charge guy in running the "D". If he takes his foul line jumper more, he could be the MAN!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on November 19, 2006, 04:18:07 PM
wow another loss for curry last nite to rutgers camden. rutgers is one of the worst programs in that area. dont know what is going to happen to curry this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 20, 2006, 01:48:42 AM
Well its late but I am up so I figured I would weigh in on the Gordon College Tip-Off tournament.  We have a couple of recaps of Friday nights game so I wont bother doing another but in my opinion I would give Gordon a D+ for their performance on Friday night.  Logan, Kaufman and Herr all had big nights on offence but the team effort on defence was terrible.  Mt. Ida is bad Gordon allowed them to stay close by playing poor defense but that is a bad team that fouls way to much and has poor coaching, an example is keeping Otis Thopmson in the game with three fouls and allowing him to pick up his fourth with five minuets left in the first half.  Saturday was a different story for the Scots.  GC competed much harder against a much more tallented and a better coached team and beat MIT 78-71.  Mike Herr and Justin Kaufman again led the way with 26 and 20 respectively but it was amuch better team effort especially on defense.  MIT is a much better team than I was expecting and Gordon rose to the challange and came away with a good win.  Kaufman was named MVP and Herr also made the tournament team.  Both player look like they are poised for great years so the CCC had better watch out.  Logan looks to be playing much more under controll which is bad news for opposing teams.  As for Marstaller, he will be fine, he missed the first two weeks of preseason with a foot injury and missed another week because of a death in the family so he is basically playing with a little over a week of practice time.  Gordon still not quite there yet but they showed some signs of being a very good team this weekend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 20, 2006, 08:03:19 AM
There is just one word to describe Gordon's play this weekend.  SLOPPY.  Maybe because it's the beginning of the season but something has to change if they are going to compete regionally.  Two areas that are down from last year are Free Throw shooting and Defense.  Both areas were strong last year but need drastic improvement.  They should be fine but they can not slack because they are not a sleeper anymore.  Everyone is gunning for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2006, 09:15:56 AM

Hey Chris.  Thanks for clarifying my stats earlier, but you might also want to mention those to the official statistician, because I took all of those straight from the box score.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2006, 09:53:30 AM
Saturday Round-up:


AMC (1-1) lost to Rivier 49-51 in Nashua.  As always there is nothing even resembling stats for this one.

CSC (1-1) beats Newbury 74-70 in the consolation game at Brandeis.  They needed free-throws at the end to win, because again they played no defense allowing Newbury to shoot 48% from the floor and an amazing 56% from three.  They started similarly slow on defense last year, but the big difference is that they don't have Andy St. Clair to bail them out anymore.  No one could hit free throws and they had 19 turnovers.  Fouriner led the way with 23 points, Szelinga had 14, Trunciletto had 11 and Ryan Murray had 10.  Josh Carter balanced his 5 assists with 5 turnovers.  Foti is going to have to get it together quick or the South might actually become the more dominant division for the first time since, well, since they've been in divisions.

Curry (0-2) goes down to Rutgers-Camden 51-53 in the consolation game at Alvernia.  Curry played good defense, but committed 33 turnovers and relied heavily on Brittian (15 points) and Robbins (17 and 12) again.  Still no sign of Bowers or Jones.  This killer line-up could be derailed already if Jones doesn't get back quickly.  Mastrullo, who is filling in at the point had 10 turnovers.  Ugly, ugly, ugly.  We need to find out where Tim Jones is.

ENC (0-2) goes down to Marymount 55-66 in the consolation game at Keene State.  This was not nearly as bad a loss as was expected.  I couldn't find a box score on this one.

Endicott (1-1) beats Lasell in the consolation game at Tufts 73-63.  They dropped the turnovers down to 19 and picked up the rebounding, also playing great perimeter defense, holding Lasell under 40% shooting from the floor and under 20% from the arc.  Scoring is again spready around with Sullivan leading the way with 15 points, Marinkovic had 14, Burgos had 12, Stewart had 11 and Burton had 10.  Millette must have had them at the strip Saturday morning because they bumped their FT% up to 80%.  This is probably a much more typical showing for EC this year.  I think they are solidly the #2 team up north.

Gordon is now 2-0 with an impressive 78-71 win over MIT in the championship game of Gordon's tip-off tournament.  Herr seems to be back on form after a decidedly off year last season.  He led the way with 26.  Kauffman pitched in 20 and Marstaller 14.  GC got this victory even without rebounding really at all.  They shot 50% from the floor and 45% from three while holding MIT to 37% shooting.  Free Throws were again a big deal for them, although they didn't quite get to the line 52 times.  Trigg seems to be the only freshman getting minutes right now and he seems to be contributing well.  Gordon appears to be well settled already with few turnovers.

NEC (2-0) won their tip-off tournament with a 92-79 win over Framingham State.  Another scoring display from NEC in another easy victory.  Quinn had 31, Jaziri put in 26 and Tonkovich had 13.  It looks like they are adjusting fine without Onyechi and Montrod.  I assume they will have a much tougher time against bigger and better opponents, but they certainly seem to be firing on all cylinders right now.

Nichols (1-1) goes down to WPI 64-83 in the championship game at Becker.  It seems they rebounded competitively and got to the line, but WPI's post presence was too much to overcome.  Chris Paquin put in 17 points off the bench in just 16 minutes of playing time to lead Nichols.  Lewis had 16 and Vallee had 14.  No one expected NC to win this game, but they did play one good half, trailing by only 7 at the break.  THe second half, however, got away from them.  Good news perhaps for better conditioned teams in CCC?

Roger Williams (2-0) won their tip-off tournament with a victory over a highly touted Salem State squad.  This is a great victory for RWU.  Freshman Laughton is contributing right away with 14 points.  Billy Barrett had 20 and Barranger went for another double-double with 17 and 11.  This was a game of runs with RWU allowing a 10-0 run by Salem only to pull away with a 15-0 run of their own.  Good way to start the year for RWU.

Salve (1-1) goes down to the hosts at Bridgewater in the championship game 62-75.  Bridgewater is the defending MASCAC champion, so this isn't a horrible loss, but the margin may be a sign of trouble for SRU.  Grendal had 21 and 11 and Goodridge chipped in 15 and 10, but there weren't too many positives.  26 turnovers and 50% free throw shooting is bad news.  Deryk Largesse, formerly of Curry has shown up on the bench for Bridgewater.  He didn't play much, but the bench did well and won the game for BSC.  I think Salve can and will play better, but they do have to worry about PG play.

UNE (0-2) got pasted by Hartwick in the consolation game over at Hamilton 40-63.  Stickney had 10 rebounds, no one scored in double digits.  This team is bad.

WIT (0-2) loses the consolation game at Drew to Hunter 61-70.  Neither team could hit threes, but WIT did rebound well which kept the game close.  PB&J had 18 and 8, Gaine and Doyle each had 12 points.  This squad seems to be streaky, but it is a good sign that they were able to rebound well; they certainly lack size.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 20, 2006, 09:54:25 AM
Akirk,

While I agree there defense wasnt great this weekend on the year there foul shooting is actually better than last year, being at the game it seemed bad but 39 of 52 on friday night is 75% which is a little better than last years average.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2006, 09:59:00 AM

You're right.  I said FTs were a "big deal" meaning important, not an issue.  Obviously anytime you get the line 52 times it's going to be key, but with the shooters they have, if the guards can keep driving and drawing fouls, they will be a tough out for anybody.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 20, 2006, 10:47:21 AM
I was at the RWU tournament this weekend. Boy they look deep and everyone can score (80 + pts both games).

Their drawback is there size. Gumb is coming off of a horrific broken leg last year (Joe Theisman) and is only about 70% at the moment. That leaves just Barranger and with a 25 plus game schedule they will need Gumb back at or near full strength.

Otherwise they look great in the 1,2 and 3 positions. Good to be Tully right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2006, 03:55:06 PM

Just got some info:  Tim Jones broke his hand two weeks ago.  No idea when the ETA is for him to be on the floor.  They need him bad though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 21, 2006, 04:05:08 AM
Just ran through the CCC box scores from the past week. Not sure when the real CSC is gonna show itself, are they really a team that only beats  Newbury by 4

Hoops Fan not to come after you but the reason your stats for the 2nd wentworth game were the same as the first is you were looking at the first games stats again, in game too they shot 0-16 from 3. That's a real stat, they better start shooting straight if they want to win games.

Roger Williams could be the team to beat in the south. If Gumb gets back running and jumping they are very dangerous

UNE will beat someone mark my words

Anna Maria will not


I am out
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 21, 2006, 07:56:04 AM
Mag,

I guess I really only meant Kaufman.  If he is going to be the floor general that he is, he can not be missing critical free throws through out the game.  Over all the team shot well but Kaufman needs to pick it up.  He did much better in the second game.  Also, wasn't Logan the one that took technical shots last year.  I seem to remember that he was the best on the team.  Why did coach have Kaufman taking them?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on November 21, 2006, 09:09:02 AM
CCC Talk-
I think we are seeing the "real" CSC team right now. First it takes new players, and we are dealing with three or four new starters, a while to adjust to new roles or a new system.  Second they are simply not even close to as talented as last year or the past several years.  Foti will make them better by the second semester but they will be significantly down this year.

Roger Williams could be the team to beat in the South but they may have to be without Gumb at 100% all season.  The RWU folks are worried that he may never be 100% after an injury like that which has ended other playing career's before.
For Dan's sake I hope he does come back to 100%.

Lastly Anna Maria will win a game, and probably against UNE.  Mark that game down on your calendars and buy your tickets early.   

I am out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 09:23:37 AM

First of all CSC started out just as poorly last year, guys.  This is nothing new; we just don't know how much talent they have when they start to get it together.


I fixed the WIT write-up, probably before you posted.

AMC has already won a game.  They beat Bard in the first game of the year.  This AMC team is much better than last year, whereas UNE lost their leading scorer.  Stickney is good, but not enough.  UNE doesn't have a pushover non-con opponent and they have to travel to both AMC and ENC.  So if they do win a game, it will have to be on the road against two teams they could barely beat at home last year.  AMC has Becker and DWC on the schedule still, along with Bard again.  They might not be good, but they know how to schedule.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 09:28:12 AM

On the docket tonight. (And you'll have to wait on the recaps from me.  I'll be flying all day Wednesday.)


AMC hosts Newbury
CC @ Springfield
ENC hosts Lesley
EC hosts Keene State
GC @ Philadelphia Bible (is this Herr's trip home?)
NEC hosts Rivier
RWU hosts Johnson & Wales
SRU @ Mitchell
UNE hosts Bowdoin
WIT @ Mt Ida (If there was every going to be a Pistons-Pacers type brawl in d3; this would be the game.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 21, 2006, 10:08:39 AM
jj

I don't think RWU needs Gumb at 100% to win the south as long as Barranger stays healthy. They have Wooley, McGinn, Parrish who can post it up with most of teams in the CCC. Enough to win the south anyway. Also Billy Barrett has really come into his game and some good freshman like Loughton and veterans  such as Camobreco will put them on top. Where RWU needs Gumb to be at or near 100% will be down the stretch in the playoffs when every game is a one and done and they face teams with 2,3 or 4 big guys on the roster.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 21, 2006, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2006, 09:28:12 AM

On the docket tonight. (And you'll have to wait on the recaps from me.  I'll be flying all day Wednesday.)


AMC hosts Newbury
CC @ Springfield
ENC hosts Lesley
EC hosts Keene State
GC @ Philadelphia Bible (is this Herr's trip home?)
NEC hosts Rivier
RWU hosts Johnson & Wales
SRU @ Mitchell
UNE hosts Bowdoin
WIT @ Mt Ida (If there was every going to be a Pistons-Pacers type brawl in d3; this would be the game.)


Just somewhat curious why WIT @ Mt Ida would result in a brawl?  If anything, it's a trap game for WIT since Mt. Ida was able to hang with Gordon over the weekend.  Plus if Mt. Ida has any size, it'll be a tough game for WIT.  Prezzie Blue is going to have to carry this team for a while longer.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 10:45:11 AM

WIT has been known to be a bit rough to make up for their lack of size and Mt Ida had four players foul out and another ejected against Gordon the other night, sending the Scots to the FT line 52 times.  Plus in talking to players who have transferred out of Mt Ida, I hear that their players aren't exactly the most, shall we say, law abiding.

I'm not about to make comments or specifics on here, but Mt Ida has the thug rep and WIT can be quite agrivating on defense.  Brawl seems to fit.

I guess Pacers-Pistons is the wrong analogy, because we all know Curry is the most likely place for fans to fight players during a game, but it seems like a few too many handchecks and bumps from the WIT players on defense could result in some trouble.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 21, 2006, 10:56:45 AM
Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BBall_AllDay54 on November 21, 2006, 11:49:34 AM
hey i'm new to the post but i wanted tp repsond to the Curry issue's they are looking pretty beat up this year and all with Tim Jones out and Bowers not in the line-up I wonder what's to come in the future.  Also what happened to senior guards Marcus Jones and James Bartelle they we're only juniors last year and they are not on the roster this year I have to do some research on that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 21, 2006, 12:03:38 PM
Any news on Johnson Wales?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 12:46:46 PM

Marcus Jones was a senior last year, whether he was listed that way or not.  Bartelle was never really happy there and he got into it a little with the coach.  I can imagine he's playing elsewhere.  Didn't he get an offer from And1 to travel with them for a while?  It sounds like a joke, but I'm pretty sure there was a legitimate chance he was doing that.


Johnson & Wales, I thought, was going to be down this year, but I have heard reports that their exhibitions looked spectacular.  I'm thinking that if RWU can beat up on Salem, they should be able to handle J&W, but you never know.  They lost their two best players from last season, but they have a good mix of returning veterans and young players.  They also have a ton of height.  If they can just throw bodies at Barranger, that might make things interesting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on November 21, 2006, 01:11:47 PM
In regards to the real CSC team showing or not, let me tell you that the team will not be the same in a couple of weeks. Right now ChrisPatrick Cox, one of the three recruits from Vermont's Spaulding is out with an ankle injury suffered during a practice a couple weeks back. They had intended on him starting at the 4, and he is quite the athletic specimen so expect things to change when he makes his return soon. For now Foti has been trying many different things with his roster and once the freshmen get experience that can only come from getting the PT, expect a big turnaround from the 4 point escape over Newbury. It is true that the loss of St. Clair is devastating, but I wouldn't get down on this year's team quite yet, if they are still playing like this come conference game time, then we can bring this topic back up.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on November 21, 2006, 02:41:32 PM
James-
I agree that RWU is the best team right now in the South and that is with or without Gumb.  But, without a healthy Gumb teams like Curry and Salve could close the gap by conference time.  WITH a healthy and productive Gumb I believe they are the best team in the South over the long haul. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 02:49:29 PM

If Curry manages to field their entire roster, I think they are hands down the best team out there.  Right now they are struggling mightily, but there is a lot of talent waiting in the wings.

Wynn has them ready to play by February; he's proven that before.  Right now, you're right, it's RWU all the way, but if were speculating, I think Curry will be there unless injuries or grades get to them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on November 21, 2006, 02:59:33 PM
Even with the potential added talent, Curry has always shown me inconsistency.  They can beat a great team and then lose to a team much less talented.  RWU typically comes to play every night and wins the games their supposed to.  That is why they have won the South recently.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 04:21:34 PM

If we're talking regular season, I'll take RWU hands down, but Curry is always ready to play at the end of the year and they (if healthy and academically elligible) have more talent.

Certainly I expect RWU to have a better record and maybe even beat Curry in the head to heads, but Malcolm Wynn is a hard one to bet against come tournament time.  He always seems to have those kids ready in February.

So in short, I guess it depends on what definition of "long haul" you were referring to in your original post.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BBall_AllDay54 on November 21, 2006, 05:42:42 PM
Thanks hoops-fan but i just received word that both are still attending Curry and they are just not playing this year, but Bartelle is sitting out from what i hear and might play next year but i'm not 100% sure my little cousin goes there and is friends with Bartelle so i don't really know the whole story.  I can try to get in contact with him if you would like then i can get more info.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on November 21, 2006, 07:09:30 PM
Akirk,

Kaufman is a solid free throw shooter.  He shot a little poorly in the first half from the line (6-11) during friday's game but he hit 9-10 in the second half.  The second game he went 6-8 which is solid.  Kaufman has shot well from the line the past two years, so I wouldn't worry about him at the line.

With him shooting the T's, both times he shot them he was already at the line for free throws and its not unusual for a coach to let a decent shooter who is at the line already to shoot the tech free throws as well.  I suspect the Logan will still take the Tech free throws during the regular season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 21, 2006, 10:16:31 PM
Gordon 79 PBU 76

GC led by single digits most of the first half, then went into half down four. They had four fouls in the first two minutes to start the second, and didn't score until almost four minutes had gone by. They were down ten, then started the come back, and tied it inside of three minutes. They led by 3 with 2.7 left. Marstaller missed the front end of a 1&1, and PBU tied it on a half court buzzer beater. The lead went back and fourth during OT, with contributions from Marstaller and a big 3 by Logan with under one minute.

Box score isn't up yet, but Marstaller lead the way with around 20 (no one could stop him), Kaufman and Logan were in double digits.

However, they still gave up a lot of offensive rebounds, missed too many free throughs. and gave up 70+ in all their games this year. They also only hit a couple of 3's and gave up a ton. They won, but it looks like they're playing at the level of their opponents. If Jon made half the shots he missed, which were make able, and they hit more FT's, they would have won easy in regulation.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 22, 2006, 12:35:48 AM
WIT 77 - Mount Ida 61

Prezzie-Blue and Doyle both had 17 and Bolton chipped in with 15 of his own.  WIT was on fire in the first half with the long ball going 6 for 8, finishing the night at 56%.  Guard Doug Williams had 31 for the home team, but only one other player scored in double figures (12).  Next up for WIT is Becker.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 22, 2006, 01:33:34 AM
BRISTOL, RI- The Roger Williams University men's basketball team extended its season-opening win streak to three games with its 92-78 win Tuesday over the visiting Wildcats of Johnson & Wales University.
Junior Dan Gumb (Patterson, NY) recorded 20 points to lead all Hawks in scoring while also grabbing a game-high seven rebounds. Sophomore William Barrett (Fairfield, CT) tallied 19 points, including a perfect 9-for-9 from the free-throw line. Senior Brandon Parrish (Lincoln, RI) and freshman Rick Laughton (Durham, NH) both registered 10 points on the night.

The Hawks never trailed in the game, jumping out to a 12-0 lead before the Wildcats scored their first basket, 7:29 into the contest. Holding a 46-32 lead after 20 minutes, the Hawks continued their strong play to start the second half, securing their largest lead of the game, 61-39, with 15:00 on the clock.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 22, 2006, 08:28:50 AM
 Endicott lost to Keene State last night. Keene is very good, very aggressive and well coached. My gulls are still finding their way. Playing these tough pre-conference games should get them ready for the CCC.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Muff10 on November 22, 2006, 02:06:17 PM
 The Anna Maria men's basketball team won their home opener tonight over visiting Newbury College 70-68. The game was not the prettiest, but in the end the grit and determination of the Amcats carried them to an overtime victory over a very strong Newbury squad.

Newbury came into the game with their star player Arch Mitchell (Framingham, MA/Framingham) needing only 25 points to record his 1000th career point; an outstanding milestone made even more impressive by the fact that he is only a junior. However, Anna Maria's defense created just a little bit too much confusion for Mitchell to find a groove and he finished the night with only 11 points for the visitors. He did put a scare into the home crowd when he hit back to back jumpers in overtime to give the visitors a 68-67 point lead. But after freshman Adam Garabedian (Pepperell, MA/N. Middlesex) hit for two to reclaim the lead for the Amcats, Mitchell missed a 3 pointer. Senior Captain Bryan Porcaro then calmly hit both ends of a one and one to seal the game!

The start of the game gave no indication that this one would be close. Newbury rushed out to an 8-0 lead and it looked as though their size and speed might be too much to handle. However, the Amcats were not as stunned as the crowd may have been and by the midway point of the first half they took their first lead. The game became a back and forth affair with no team able to build a sustainable lead even though Anna Maria had pushed their lead to 10 with under 3 minutes to play in the half.  But a 7-0 run by Newbury capped off by a running jumper as time expired in the half from freshman Troy Johnson pulled the visitors back to within three.

Junior Captain Jim Daigneault (Worcester, MA/St Johns) recorded a double/double (14/11) and was a key factor in tonight's win. It looked as though he had won the game for the hosts when he hit a jumper to make the score 62-60 near the end of regulation, but Junior Walky Magloire (Waltham, MA/Waltham) tied the game to send it into overtime. Newbury was led by freshman Heman Honore (Medford, MA/St. Clements) who scored a game high 18 points. Anna Maria had 4 players in double digits including Junior Adam Richards (W.Boylston, MA/W.Boylston) who had a team high 16.

Anna Maria improves to 2-1 while Newbury drops to 0-3

This is very good news from AMC.. while Newbury may not be the best team they did only lose by4 to CSC.  Yes I know that it is early, and that there was a lot of playerturnover at CSC, but Newury still played a team w/ alot of talent tough. The fact that AMC eat them shows that they are drastically improved from last years team.

Even more impressive is that they won with out Nunnally, who broke his finger in the 1st scrimage of theyear.  Dont get me wrong, Im not saying they are going to win the conference, however they will be much better than everyone expects. Any team that takes AMC lightly this season could be sorry.  The have a solid core of vetern players (Porcaro, Nunnally, Daihneault) and Coach Conrad seems to have them playing hard every nite.

Next game- Tues. 28th vs. Daniel Webster
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Newburyport on November 23, 2006, 04:33:41 PM
Gordon continues to play well enough to win.  The weapons are there and the discipline to take what is given remains in effect.  Point producers are on a game-by-game basis.  Jon Marstaller non-factor in Game 1 - Gordon wins.  Mike Herr 4 points in Game 3 - Gordon wins.  Defense has plenty of work to do - last year gave up under 60 points per game.  This year 70s in each game.  Rebounding is nothing to write home about either.  Teams will have to find a way to play game-long solid defense against Gordon because so far this team will not go away no matter what the score or situation is.  The CCC is theirs to lose - they have the horses.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 24, 2006, 10:52:25 AM
Re: Newburyport CCC

Gordon continues to play well enough to win.  The weapons are there and the discipline to take what is given remains in effect.  Point producers are on a game-by-game basis.  Jon Marstaller non-factor in Game 1 - Gordon wins.  Mike Herr 4 points in Game 3 - Gordon wins.  Defense has plenty of work to do - last year gave up under 60 points per game.  This year 70s in each game.  Rebounding is nothing to write home about either.  Teams will have to find a way to play game-long solid defense against Gordon because so far this team will not go away no matter what the score or situation is.  The CCC is theirs to lose - they have the horses.

Newburyport:

I tend to agree that Gordon is the favorite to win the CCC. However, from what I have seen of RWU I am not totally convinced. RWU is returning a much better team than in 05'-06'. Teir long time veteran Chris Cormier was banged up most of the season and this year they have a freshman named Laughton who is a healthy version of Chris. Also, after the 20 point game by Gumb the other night I guess he is back in a big way.

RWu is also giving up too many points ( in the 70's). This might be because of having such commanding leads they just settle for treading baskets after a while. RWU also spreads the scoring around so I guess only time will tell who will win the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 24, 2006, 12:40:09 PM
All Conference players & POY:

At this moment it is Billy Barrett at RWU is my pick. He has scored 20 and 19 points is his last two outings and is ice from the foul line. He attacks the basket, gets to the line, outside % is great and TO's are low. So far he has it all in the PG catagory.

What are your picks?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 24, 2006, 03:20:34 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on the CSC v. Curry match-up this evening? 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on November 24, 2006, 10:10:14 PM
Curry defeated Colby-Sawyer 89-85 in the first game of the UMass-Boston Tournament.

The Chargers led by 6 at the half and the rest of the game the score remained close, but Curry was solid from the line down the stretch and CSC could only come within 2 eventually losing by 4. Truncelito a senior and Jon Chaloux a freshman both had 22 points with Chaloux having 10 boards. Soph. Ryan Murray also added 10 points and 9 boards off the bench. Curry's Toby Brittian had 32 and 10 in the win.

The Chargers are obviously missing injured 4 man Chris Cox but Freshman Chaloux appears to be stepping up big time and showing his true colors after a shaky start, Murray is proving himself and it looks like when Cox returns Foti will have the depth inside that he already enjoys in the backcourt. We'll see what they can do tommorow in the consolation game..until then this is all I've got.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 25, 2006, 07:46:14 PM
CSC lost to UMB 102-100 (2 OT)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Fan on November 25, 2006, 08:07:04 PM
Curry lost the UMB tourney championship to Framingham State 85-82
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 26, 2006, 11:58:03 AM
Is anyone playing defense?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2006, 08:56:17 AM

OK, I've been gone for a week and I have no idea what's been going on.  I assume we've got games tonight.  Give me some time and I'll get to a schedule.  It sounds like I missed out on some good action this weekend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2006, 09:11:16 AM

I'll just run down the scores from the last week and forget the stats for now.

Tuesday
Bowdoin 81 UNE 75
WIT 77 Mt Ida 61
RWU 92 J&W 78
Keene 79 EC 61
SRU 86 Mitchell 59
GC 79 Philadelphia Bible 76 (OT)
Lesley 84 ENC 79
Rivier 84 NEC 69
AMC 70 Newbury 68 (OT)
Springfield 76 CC 67

Friday
CC 89 CSC 85

Saturday
UMASS-Boston 102 CSC 100 (2OT)
Framingham 85 CC 82

Monday
Bates 91 EC 53
Colby 79 UNE 55

That leaves us with the following standings as of this morning (all games non-conference):

North
Gordon 3-0
NEC 2-1
WIT 1-2
CSC 1-3
Endicott 1-3
UNE 0-4

South
Roger Williams 3-0
AMC 2-1
Salve 2-1
Nichols 1-1
Curry 1-4
ENC 0-3
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2006, 09:16:09 AM

Tuesday Night's Line-up:

NEC vs Keene State @ NH Tech
RWU @ Coast Guard
AMC vs Daniel Webster
NC vs Westfield State
CSC vs Plymouth State @ NH Tech
SRU vs Wheaton (MA)
ENC vs Mt. Ida
WIT vs Becker @ Suffolk
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on November 29, 2006, 08:07:51 AM
BRISTOL, RI- The Roger Williams University men's basketball team suffered its first loss of the season, 68-57, at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy Tuesday night. Sophomore Bill Barrett (Fairfield, CT) led the Hawks in scoring with 22 points in the contest.
The Hawks began the game strong, jumping out to a 21-13 lead behind two three-pointers by junior Dan Gumb (Patterson, NY). RWU extended the lead to 28-17 before forcing the Bears to call time-out with 5:15 left in the half. Coast Guard proceeded to post a 16-0 run, reclaiming the lead, 33-28. The teams traded baskets before entering the locker rooms, 35-30, at halftime.

In the second half the Bears continued their strong shooting, slowly extending their lead to 45-39 with 12:30 remaining. Draining shots from the outside, the Bears recorded nearly half their points from behind the arc, finishing the game with 10 three-pointers. Junior Al Sowers finished the game as the Bears' leading scorer with 18 points.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2006, 09:06:28 AM

Just imagine how good that Coast Guard team would be if their leading scorer from last year had actually come back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2006, 09:30:13 AM
Tuesday Night's Roundup:

NEC 77 Keene State 92 @ NH Tech.  Not a bad score for NEC, especially considering the opponent.  Tyler Evans who seems to have come out of nowhere was the leading scorer for NEC with 23 points along with 7 boards, 3 blocks and 5 steals.  Quinn had 22 and Sylvia went for 12 and 11.  They forced a lot of turnovers, but were sorely outrebounded.  All in all a good early season game.  We'll have to keep an eye on this Evans kid.

RWU 57 Coast Guard 68.  We got most of the info below, so I won't do much.  Disappointing loss, but not a bad team to lose to, if you have to lose one.  Camobreco had a bad day handling the ball with 7 turnovers.  Gumb didn't play too much and he seems to still be recovering.  Just looks like a bit of an off night against a good team.

AMC 74 Daniel Webster 81.  Of course there are no stats yet.

NC 77 Westfield State 84.  21 from Vallee, 20 from Lewis, 15 from Ron Powers and 11 from Paquin; too many turnovers.  The only real difference between the two teams was 13 turnovers for Westfield to 20 for Nichols.

CSC 77 Plymouth State 86 @ NH Tech.  Cousins had 26, Truncilleto had 13, Fouriner put in 12 and Andrew Tracy had 10 off the bench.  Still no defense from CSC with Plymouth shooting over 50% from the floor and the arc.  FT shooting got the best of them as they only managed to hit half of their shots.  Again, this seems to be a chemistry issue.  They were just as bad defensively to start last season, but the talent kept them afloat; it's just not happening that way this year.

SRU 77 Wheaton (MA) 83.  Seventy-seven seems to be the magic number for the CCC these days.  Goodridge led Salve with 20 points, Grendal had 16, Woodword 12 and Hazzard 11.  Rebounds, shooting percentages and turnovers were all very even.  Wheaton made it to the FT line almost twice as often as SRU and that was the difference.  This was a well played game for Salve with Grendal and Goodridge doing the inside-outside thing, again it just wasn't enough for the win.  Hopefully all these teams can get these issues corrected by January and we can have a real competitive conference season.

ENC 70 Mt. Ida 74.  Another tough close loss for ENC, although they have to be encouraged both by the margin and how many points they are actually able to put up this season.  No stats anywhere yet.

WIT 90 Becker 75 @ Suffolk.  At least somebody won last night.  PBJ had 20 points and 8 assists, Bolton put in 19 and Gaine had 17.  Doyle still seems to be burried in his Sophomore slump.  WIT shot 60% from the floor and won the rebounding battle to take this game.  I know Becker isn't the best opponent to judge a team by, but the team play here is good to see from Wentworth.  They had 26 assists as a team and are now getting solid play from their sixth man, the appropriately named freshman Kevin Wentworth.  They might come around after all and if they can get Bynes back for the stretch run, they could be a nice suprise up north.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2006, 09:31:47 AM

As far as I can tell, no CCC games tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru2 on November 29, 2006, 01:01:35 PM
This ENC team by far has the most potential I have seen in years.  They lack a lot of size down low, but Luc Jasmin is still pretty dominant.  He just needs to learn how to stay out of foul trouble. 

Overall this team can be very good.  they have proven so far to have the ability to hang with any team, they just havent been able to put it all together. 

They are still a very young team, so there is a lot of positives for them in the future. 

It will be interesting to see how the conference play pans out.  Is it just me or does the talent level overall seem to be down this year? 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Muff10 on November 29, 2006, 01:28:11 PM
Press Release from AMC website:

The Anna Maria men's basketball team lost tonight to visiting Daniel Webster by the score of 74-81. Each team made 27 field goals and each team had 6 three pointers. But as is often the case in basketball, the team that wins the free throw battle wins the game. Tonight Daniel Webster went to the line 16 more times than the home team and hit 7 of those for the final difference. It was a very hard fought battle between two teams that play a very fast paced and determined style of basketball. In the end, the athleticism and depth of the visitors was just too much for the Amcats on this night.

Anna Maria played a decent game and shot a very good 50% from the floor.  Four players all scored in double digits with junior Dan Sadlowski leading the way with 13. But it was in the details that Daniel Webster found a way to win. Anna Maria turned the ball over 23 times – too many times to win games. And the visitors enjoyed a 23 – 7 edge on the offensive glass! These are important stats that tell the story as much as the free throw shooting.

Anna Maria did take a nine point lead into the locker room at the break and had found a way to neutralize freshman Warren Wiggins early. Wiggins only had 3 points and 2 rebounds at the half. But as the second half progressed, the relentless defensive pressure of the visitors began to take its toll on the home team, and when Wiggins buried a jumper with 9 minutes left to give the visitors their first lead since early in the game, the momentum was decidedly in Daniel Webster's favor.

At that point Wiggin's high school teammate, freshman Jamie Bryant, began to assert himself at both ends of the floor. He made three steals while hitting 5 of 9 shots from the floor in the second half. His effort tipped the scales and Daniel Webster had their second win of the season. Bryant finished with a game high 21 points. Sophomore Steve Austin added 18 for the visitors.

Jim Daigneault and Adam Richards both had 12 pts for the Amcats.

Anna Maria drops to 2-2 while Daniel Webster improves to 2-1

I wold have liked to have goen you my thoughts on the game, however I was unable to get to the game like I planed.  AMC lead at the half 41-32, but wans able to keep it goin in the 2nd.  23 off rebs is way too many to give up, they also had 20 turnovers.  another key stat was ft's, after goin 13-14 in the 1st AMC went 1-2 in the 2nd. 

AMC was again without Nunnally, as he is still recovering from a broken/dislocated finger.  Which surely lead to some of the margin in off rebs.  but AMC still needs to do a better job on the glass. 

Next game Thur 30. @ Becker - another winnable game, hopefully AMC will put 2     halves together

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on November 29, 2006, 01:29:37 PM
I would agree that the overall talent is down a little.  The CCC lost several very good seniors last year so we will have to see if they can be replaced.  Too early to tell.

As far as ENC, I am looking forward to how they fare against Fram State on Thursday.  They have not hung "with any team."  They have hung with three very average or even below average teams and got spanked by a very good team by almost 40.  If they are improved they will be in the game against a solid team like Fram St. as well so we will see.  

On the other hand, one team that has proven to be better than expected is NEC.  They are beating the average teams and hanging with the very good ones.      
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 30, 2006, 11:11:18 AM
Gordon has Mitchell tonight and I know nothing about them, although I have seen some scores against teams I am know but I hate comparing scores its useless.   Tonight should be interesting for Gordon though, Coach Scahuer voiced his disapointment in Gordon's effort thus far.  He said he wants more effort on defence and said rebounding was going to be more of a focus in practice this week.  It will be interesting to see how the team responds tonight.  They might not need much effort to beat Mitchell but WIT on Saturday has enough good players to beat Gordon if the defence and rebounding efforts dont improve.  If anyone out there knows about Mitchell I would be interested to hear a little bit about them.  My prediction for tonight is look for Gordon to get back on track and play to their potential and win big 80-55
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 30, 2006, 11:15:51 PM
Gordon put an absolute pounding on visiting Mitchell tonight winning by a score of 92-54.  Gordon finally looked like the team people have been talking about this preseason.  Marstaller led the way with 23 points and 5 board in only 21 minutes of play, other players in double figures were Mike Herr (15 and 8) and Tim Deluca (11). The starters played only a few minutes in the second half in a game that saw nine players get 10 or more minutes and every player see the floor.  Gordon's rebound had been lacking in their first few games and you could tell tonight they were hungry for rebounds and just gave a much better effort as they won the battle of boards 51 to 29, including 21 offensive rebounds.  Overall it was Gordon's best effort of the year, look for them to build on tonights effort as they take on WIT on Saturday at home.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballbliss on December 01, 2006, 08:23:01 AM
I'm a GC alumna with my first post! I was also at the GC/Mitchell game last night, and though GC won by a wide margin, the first half of the game was a bit like watching my high school team.  Schauer must have had some strong words for the players at half, because the team completely stepped up their game quality!  It was also exciting that each player on the team had at least 3 minutes on the floor so early in the season.  No one had more than 2 personal fouls which is a great improvement from the last three games.  Like Maq said, our rebounding game has struggled in the past and last nights performance showed growth in the players.

Conference play starts Saturday with GC hosting Wentworth.  I don't know much about this team; any comments?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 01, 2006, 10:08:16 AM
We have heard about Gordon and Mitchell here is a breif recap on Thursday nights other CCC action,

Endicott loses 66-74 to visiting MIT
Anna Maria loses at Becker 73-76
Nichols drops Fitchburg St. at home 79-67
Curry loses at home to Trinity (conn) 87-104
ENC loses at Framingham State 73-80
Salve Regina won on the road at Johnson and Wales 67-49

This weekends games

WIT @ Gordon
Anna Maria @ Salve Regina
RWU @ Colby-Sawyer
Curry @ Nichols
UNE @ ENC

Thomas @ NEC

Endicott has the weekend off and it looks like that might be a good thing as they drop to 1-4 on the season and their schedule get no easier over the next couple of games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on December 01, 2006, 11:50:30 AM
EC lost another preseason game. At 1-4, I know they are bummed -to say the least. Last night they tried to stay with MIT but never got over the hump. Corbett got them on the board early, before it turned real ugly. Like the way T Burton handles and goes to the hoop! Turnovers were down, but a couple of late ones hurt. But those MIT'ers can really shoot foul shots. All night, they only missed one or two - and made a bunch down the stretch. That was the difference.
  Looks like the Gulls are coming around. Not as much wrong as earlier scores might make you think.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on December 01, 2006, 02:38:46 PM
Glad to see that CCC play will get under way this weekend...But I hate to see a CCC team lose to Becker, it's just not good for the league.  The RWU/CSC game may be best of the weekend.  Should be a good gage to see if RWU can go up and get a win in New London.  EC has got to be better than their 1-4 record suggests, they have played the toughest scheule thus far.  I think they will still be a factor in the CCC come February.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on December 01, 2006, 10:32:59 PM
Got a few real interesting and closely matched conference games this weekend:

RWU @ CSC - RWU has got to be the favorite but I have a feeling Foti will really have his guys ready to play.  Never easy to win there.

Curry @ Nichols - Nichols has to be excited about playing Curry at home 1st semester.  Curry will be much better 2nd semester.  Nichols seems to be playing well and has a very good shot a winning this one.

UNE @ ENC - All I have to say is somebody will get their first win of the year and start the conference season 1-0 all in one day.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2006, 02:12:30 PM


WIT @ GC
NC @ CC
UNE @ ENC
CSC @ RWU
NEC vs Thomas
AMC @ SRU

These should be some interesting games, although already this morning Lincoln scored 201 in one game.  We'll have to see if the six winners in these games can equal that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballbliss on December 02, 2006, 05:44:38 PM
WIT @ GC

The Fighting Scots secured another victory over visiting Wentworth to move ahead to 5-0 for the second season in a row.  With a final score of 79-62, GC improved its quality of play yet again.  Four players scored in double digits with Marstaller leading with 19 points and 7 rebounds, followed by Jerry Logan, Mike Herr, and newcomer Aaron Trigg with 16, 13, and 12 points respectively.  Logan had a solid game playing all but one minute and Herr played all but four.  Trigg continued to impress both the crowd and coach Schauer, moving the ball well and driving to the hoop confidently after starting his second college game. 

The Fighting Scots travel to NEC on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 02, 2006, 10:33:28 PM
BRISTOL, RI- The men's basketball team earned its first Commonwealth Coast Conference win Saturday afternoon defeating Colby-Sawyer College, 72-51. With the win the Hawks improve to 4-1 overall and 1-0 in the CCC.
RWU sophomore Bill Barrett (Fairfield, CT) was one rebound shy of his first double-double this season, posting a game-high 20 points and nine rebounds. Junior Dan Gumb (Patterson, NY) was just two rebounds shy with 10 points and eight rebounds
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2006, 12:21:08 PM


GC 79 WIT 62
CC 73 NC 68
UNE 46 ENC 41
RWU 72 CSC 51
NEC 96 Thomas 80
SRU 81 AMC 64


Stats tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2006, 11:08:08 AM
GC 79 WIT 62.  Blue had 13 for WIT, Gaine and Bolton had 12 each and Todd Doyle finally showed up with 10 points and 5 assists.  For Gordon, Marstaller led the way with 19, Logan had 16 with 5 assists, Herr had 13 and Trigg got 12 in his first start.  Gordon shot 60% from the floor, missing only four shots in the second half.  However Wentworth played about as well as could be expected and came up well short.  It appears their lack of inside presence may be their undoing.

CC 73 NC 68.  Lots of fouls in this one.  Justin Lewis went off with 26 and 14 for NC.  Paquin had 15 off the bench, Vallee had 11 and Ron Powers got 10 rebounds.  For Curry Jonathan Bowers finally showed up and put up 21 and 10 in 27 points off the bench.  I assume he'll be the starting center pretty quickly here.  Still no aign of Jones yet, they'll be much better once they get their floor leader back.  Prescod had 15 points and Loice Williams had 13 off the bench.  I'm not sure what happened with this game. Brittian didn't do much and it appears Nichols really played some tough defense, but lacked an answer to Bowers.  I think we'll see both teams improving as the season goes along.  I'm quite impressed by what the Nichols team is able to do right now.

UNE 46 ENC 41.  Dismal failure for ENC here.  This was their best chance for a conference win; now they will have to hope they can top Anna Maria at some point.  Stickney went nuts down low with 9 points and 18 boards.  Farynaz had 14 and Belmonte had 10 and 10.  Apparently UNE found a way to isolate Jasmin and totally take him out of the game.  They packed the zone in tight and denied the entry and the ENC shooters couldn't win it (9% from the arc; 20% from the floor).    Marcellus was the only player in double digits with 12.  Also, word is ENC lost Colby DaSilva to ruptured Achillies this weekend.  Not good news for ENC.  Thankfully ANC doesn't have a big guy to challenge Jasmin, so there may be hope for a win in conference.

RWU 72 CSC 51.  Colby-Sawyer is having to face something they haven't worried about in a long time (probably since they got into the CCC back in the late 90's): rebuilding.  They just don't have the kind of team they are used to having.  I'm sure they can make the playoffs, but I doubt they get passed the first round.  RWU goes 9 deep and they all got good minutes in this one.  Barrett had 20 and Gumb got 10 off the bench.  Very well-rounded effort.  CSC was led by Fouriner with 12, Cousins had 10 and Murray got 13 boards off the bench.  They are also deep and well-rounded, but lacking leadership and experience.  I'm not sure CSC will be down for very long.  FTs won it for RWU, by the way, 19-33 to 8-19.  That was the biggest difference.

NEC 96 Thomas 80.  Would you believe they've got a box score on the NEC website?  Jaziri continues his good form scoring 29 in 27 minutes.  Imagine if they actually let him play the whole game?  Tyler Evans had 19 including 10-10 from the FT line.  Sylvia had 16 boards and they had six other guys over 5 points.  Not a good opponent, but another deep squad who gets to the line (28-37 to 8-14).  Thomas outscored NEC in the second half, so they evidently let up a little.  NEC may finally have put it together for a year.

SRU 81 AMC 64. Grendal had 20, Goodridge had 15 and 8 assists; Walsh had 11 off the bench for Salve.  Rose had 18 for AMC and Nunally had 10, most of them coming against the Salve bench late in the second half.  This seems like a really easy walkover for Salve.  Now it comes down to who wins the ENC-AMC battles as to who the worst team in the conference is.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 04, 2006, 04:28:52 PM
Hoops fan you said
[FTs won it for RWU, by the way, 19-33 to 8-19.  That was the biggest difference.

From just looking at the stats I guess you could get that picture. However, if you at the game it was clear that RWU was dominant in all ascpects of the game. 11 of the 18 free throws came with 3:30 to go in the game when CSC was intentionally fouling to stop the clock. Despite a few runs CSC wasn't close to pulling this one out.

You are right about RWU being 9 deep. Barrett plays the most minutes right now, Camobreco is starting to show some seasoned leadership that the new freshman Loughan, who is a good player, may not have yet.

Still like Barrett for All Conference this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2006, 05:45:41 PM

Well right, RWU was in the lead for most of the game and many of the free-throws came at the end, but when I do these analysis, because I can't possibly be at every game, I try to look for the signs of where a team might be in trouble (way too many turnover, getting so sorely outrebounded that the opponent took twice as many shots, etc).  In this particular game, everything was pretty even numbers wise except for the Free Throws.  As much as it's realistically improbable, if RWU didn't take and make all of those shots, it would have been very close at the end.


It's another reason why it's good to have posters from every school so we can get those specifics from the game that can not be replaced by any amount of statistical analysis.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 04, 2006, 08:21:30 PM
Hoops Fan you said
if RWU didn't take and make all of those shots, it would have been very close at the end.

I need to respectfully disagree because I don't think CSC scored in the last 3:30 of the game so RWU could have shot 50% from the line and still won by 14 points instead of 21 ponits. As I said before, the game wasn't close.

Lets see what happens tomorrow at Curry????
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: glory_days on December 04, 2006, 10:05:58 PM
James, I respectfully disagree with your use of emoticons.  Thank you, that is all.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 04, 2006, 10:07:27 PM
I don't know how the sad face got on my post. I only meant to close out the sentence with  question marks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: glory_days on December 04, 2006, 11:18:44 PM
It's all good.  Hoops Fan, what's the good word on Salem State.    Not that GC should look past NEC but I would say Salem State is the one team that would be a limfac for GC going into Christmas break undefeated.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2006, 09:25:40 AM

Salem is a team that can beat Gordon, but as far as I've seen they're all over the map this year.  It will really depend on who shows up for both teams.  I think Gordon at its best can beat Salem at its best, but as well all know, things happen during games.

I wouldn't be suprised at any outcome.  I take that back; I'd be suprised if Gordon got beat by more than 12, anything else is possible.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2006, 09:31:52 AM
Tuesday's Games
UNE @ EC
GC @ NEC
WIT @ CSC
ENC @ Mitchell
AMC @ NC
RWU @ CC

Salve is off tonight.


Gordon needs to be ready tonight.  This NEC team can score and this one has trap game written all over it.  Someone really needs to make sure these guys aren't looking ahead to Salem State.  While I don't think NEC is all that good overall, they can certainly make you pay for mistakes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on December 05, 2006, 10:11:45 AM
Salem vs gordon will be a good match up, salem is tough. if gordon can somehow stop downie, they can pull off a win
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 05, 2006, 11:19:35 AM
It'll be interesting to see if CSC can stop the bleeding tonight at home vs WIT.  Should be a good game
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 05, 2006, 01:14:14 PM
Hey everyone... I'm new to this posting business, but I've been following the boards for over two years, so I know what's going on...

I'm the sports editor for the Gordon College student newspaper, so obviously I will have more information on that end than anywhere else... Still, as a journalist, I understand the importance of keeping things in perspective, so I will try to not express my bias, but instead share pertinent information...

I've been to every Gordon game thus far, except for the one in Philly, and I have seen a variety of results... Against Mt. Ida and MIT, Gordon showed inexperience in dealing with the pressure that comes with being a nationally recognized team... In Philly, that same inexperience almost caught up with them as it took an overtime period to beat an inferior team... Finally, after Thanksgiving, Coach Schauer found a way to motivate his team to succeed, trouncing Middlebury and playing a solid 40 minutes against WIT...

Gordon has now reached a crossroads. Tonight they travel to NEC in what proves to have more than one storyline. In one case, Gordon is playing its first away conference game against a team that many have dubbed 'most improved' in the conference. In another sense, Gordon is looking ahead to the monumental matchup against Salem State on Saturday. In still a third sense, the team is trying to balance having a target on their backs and still finding the right situations to use various players.

I will be traveling up to Henniker this evening to watch the game, so I will have some feedback on it when I get back. From talking with Mike Herr, he thinks that this court is one of the toughest to play on as an away team. It sounds like it's a small gym where, according to him, 'It's tough to find your shot.' So, in many senses, Gordon will have to win the game by doing what it does best, play defense.

In talking to many of the players, they center their play around their defense and I believe HoopsFan offered some good insight when he said that 'this game has trap game all over it.' We'll see how things turn out, and if Gordon can extend their streak. Last year, Gordon started off 5-0 as well, but proceeded to lose their next three. That included a Salem State loss.

We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 05, 2006, 01:19:48 PM
Check that...
Where I said Middlebury, it should be Mitchell...
Sorry...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: glory_days on December 05, 2006, 07:39:52 PM
NEC's gym isn't that bad to play in.  Nice and small so it's good for shooters.  It's better by far than CSC's excuse for a gym.  Please tell me that CSC has finally ponied up for a wood floor and maybe a little better lighting. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 05, 2006, 10:47:34 PM
Word here on campus is that we will have a wooden floor for next season..here is the release from tonight's crucial win over WIT


New London, N.H. – Four of Colby-Sawyer's five starters scored in double figures on Tuesday night, lifting the struggling Chargers past the Leopards of Wentworth 81-69. The win marks the first in conference play for the Chargers, while the Leopards drop to 0-2 in the Commonwealth Coast Conference.

The Charges came out strong in the first half, shooting 41 percent from the floor on 16-of-39 shooting including four three-pointers. The Chargers held Wentworth to 39 percent shooting on their way to building a 40-26 halftime lead.

In the second half, the Leopards got hot, shooting an impressive 64 percent from the floor, but it proved to be too little to late, as the Chargers held off Wentworth for the 81-69 victory.

Nate Truncellito (Manchester, N.H) led the way for the Chargers with 18 points, including three three-pointers, two rebounds and two assists. Sophomore Duncan Szeliga (Newmarket, N.H.) chipped in with 15 points and seven rebounds while sophomore Ryan Murray (Killingsworth, Conn.) poured in 14 points and collected 9 rebounds.

For Wentworth, Sherrad Prezzie-Blue scored 21 points and added three rebounds and three assists in the losing effort.

The Chargers will next be in action on Thursday, December 7, when they host Bowdoin for a 5:30 p.m. match-up.

The Leopards will next take on Coast Guard on Thursday, December 7, at Suffolk. Game time is set for 8 p.m.


I was in attendance for this one and it was nice to see my Chargers win after I watched them lose my first viewing vs. PSU at NHTI..everything finally looked like it was clicking as far as team chemistry goes as PG Josh Carter returned for his first game after injuring his wrist and he looked solid along with the rest of the team. We'll see what happens later on in the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 05, 2006, 10:56:50 PM
Gordon 89 NEC 76

Mike Herr led all scorers scoring 21 points including the 1000th point of his career, he also pulled down 9 boards on the night.  Congradualtions goes out to Mike on this career milestone.  Other notable scorers for Gordon were Kaufman with 16, Logan and Deluca both chipped in 14 and Marstaller had 10.  Stats look pretty even except for free throws where Gordon 21-26 from the line versus NEC's 14-17.  Jaziri led the way for NEC with 18 and Quinn, Evans, Sylvia and Tonkovich were all in double figures.  Nice win for the Scots to remain unbeaten, now their focus is on beating Salem State at home on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 06, 2006, 09:15:39 AM
RWU over Curry 65-50. Curry came out on fire the first 10 minutes and the score was 28-18 Curry. RWU regrouped and took the lead 36-34 at the half.

RWU never looked back after halftime. The stats are not up anywhere yet but Barrett had over 20 points again, freshman Loughan and junior Gumb both had double figures in scoring.

McGinn was solid both offensively and defensively. He and Parrish were give the asssignment to guard the Curry D1 player as basically shut him down,

Curry only scored 14 points in the second half so the Hawks defense is really becoming consistant. They have quick guards and some seasoned big men so they seem to have a well balanced team both offensively and defensively.

RWU has two non-conference games before the Gordon game on 1/5/07. RWU won their game vs Salem State so I am sure all RWU fans will be listening attentively to the GC-Salem State game Saturday.

The Hawks  visit UMASS-Dartmouth on Thursday for a non-conference game.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2006, 09:40:15 AM

I haven't checked the box scores; I'll do that later, but James' assessment makes a lot of sense.  Bowers, for Curry, always had a ton of talent, but a big reputation as a head case.  RWU has the size and talent to really take him out of the game.  I assume that was the case last night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 06, 2006, 10:13:29 AM
Here is the post from the RWU athletic page

BRISTOL, RI- The Roger Williams men's basketball team traveled to Miller Gymnasium on the campus of Curry College Tuesday and left with a 65-50 win over the conference opponent. Three Hawks posted double-figure scoring in the contest.
Sophomore Billy Barrett (Fairfield, CT) led all scorers with 22 points on 9-for-13 shooting. This marked his third consecutive game with 20+ points. Freshman Rick Laughton (Durham, NH) registered 14 points, including two three-pointers. He was the only Hawk to sink a three, as the team went 2-for-16 from behind the arc. Junior Dan Gumb (Patterson, NY) tallied 12 points and grabbed a team-high eight rebounds.

After a tight first half, which ended, 38-36 in favor of the Hawks, RWU's defense picked up holding the Colonels to 28.6% shooting. Curry posted just 14 points in the second half, a season-best for the Hawks' defense in a half.

Curry's Stephen Prescod led the Colonels with 17 points in the game, while teammate Johnathan Bowers scored 12 points and pulled down a game-high nine rebounds.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2006, 11:55:03 AM
UNE 55 EC 68  Endicott wins this with relative ease, although I would assume they didn't like how close it was through the first half.  UNE seems to playing pretty well in conference after their abismal non-con start.  I'm not sure they'll win or even challenge in many games, but they seem to be doing ok at avoiding the blowout.  Stickney was held at bay quite well, so big props to the EC bigs.  Mike Floyd led UNE with 19, Farynaz had 12 and Belmonte has 11.  Marinkovic went for 17 and 13 and Sullivan had 14 points.  I'd be really interested in hearing an eye witness account of this one as the numbers don't make a lot of sense.  I know UNE had too many turnovers, but what was the deal with Stickney?

GC 89 NEC 76.  GC seems to be sailing.  I'd hate to be Salem right now.  The Scots are playing good team ball and shooting well (50% from three and 55% from the floor).  Herr had 21, Kauffman had 16, Logan and Deluca 14 and Marstaller 10.  The rebounding was down for the first time this season, but I'm not sure they had to do much rebounding in this one.  NEC took thirteen extra shots, but still managed to make one less than Gordon.  Jaziri led the way with 18, Sylvia had 17 and 10, Quinn had 13 and Evans had 10.  One interesting note, NEC didn't get to the FT line once in the entire first half.

WIT 69 CSC 81. CSC didn't shoot well and played poor defense again, however all of their major contributors showed up on the same night and hit the boards hard, leading to a conference win for the Chargers.  Trunciletto had 18, Szelinga 15, Murray had 14 and Fouriner 10.  For WIT, PBJ led the way with 21, Doyle had 11 and Gaine had 10.  Lots of turnovers for WIT and not so many rebounds allowed CSC to take 25 extra shots, which was plenty, even on a poor shooting night.

ENC 70 Mitchell 72.  ENC can just not finish games.  They were down by two at the half and that's how it ended.  They've had so many close loses this year; it's getting to be an epidemic.  They've got to figure out how to pull these out.  Jasmin had 21, Marcellus had 18 and 10 and Seaberg had 10.  This is their fourth loss by five points of less already.

AMC 52 NC 68. Daigneault was the only AMCAT in double figures with 12 and 11.  Nunally is still coming off the bench, but is contributing more and more.  If they can get Porcaro going, they might be able to challenge in a few CCC games this season.  Vallee led NC with 17 and Baskerville had 11, but minutes were spread around liberally on that side of the floor.  Ron Powers only played nine minutes; I wonder if there was an injury issue there.  Maybe O'Malley will fill us in on that tidbit at some point.

RWU 65 CC 50.  A lots been said on this one already.  Prescod always shines when the opponent has good post play.  He led Curry with 17.  Bowers got the start, but only managed 12.  Toby Brittian didn't do much in this one at all.  Barrett had 22 for RWU, Gumb, still coming off the bench had 12 and Laughton had 14.  Barranger, also true to form, sunk when the opponent has a tall guy.  RWU didn't even shoot well and still had no trouble pulling this out, holding Curry to 14 second half points.  Curry is really lacking that floor leader; they need Jones back quick.  They only took 5 FTs the entire game and had a ton of turnovers.  Jones should help considerably in both those areas.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 06, 2006, 12:12:35 PM
Barrett has a higher FG and 3PT%, and a higher FT%, however, Kaufman has made 20 more FTs and gotten to the line 20 more times. Billy has more rebounds, but, here we go... Kaufman has more assists, 23 to 11 (and that's with crummy score keepers), only 4 turnover all year, 5.75 assist/turnover ratio compared to Barrett's 1.2 A/T. Barrett averages 16.6 Pts/game as the Hawks leading score. Kaufman? 14.7 Pts/game as the Scots third leading scorer. He's behind players averaging 16.8 and 16.3. So if you like point guards who can score, Barrett is better right now. But if you want a guy who can take over a game and bring his team back (i.e. last years Nichols game), or sit back and give the ball to the team's scorers, there's Kaufman.

Plus, I still need to see Barett play. He had 31 minutes last year v. Gordon, with not shots, no points, and two rebobunds, but he seems to be better this year.

The only way Barrett makes All Conference over Kaufman is if Kaufman is overlooked like last year. But, a lot still has to be decided, mainly, how they match up head to head January 6th, how their teams finish in the CCC, and pretty much the majority of the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 06, 2006, 12:26:41 PM
Sailing might be to generous for Gordon. With 9:10 left in the game was tied 62-62. What you could say it, so far this year they've come up big in the important minutes. The finals give minutes against Mt. Ida when the team was stuggling, the final three minutes against MIT.

The key to beating Salem St. will be their inside game and rebounding. They were leading going into halftime at Salem last year, then blew it in the second half by taking too many jump shots (13 3's) and gave up 16 OREB total. Offensive glass has been a problem with them this year, but they've improved their FG%, so who knows.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2006, 12:31:32 PM

Barrett's not a point guard is he?  I always thought he was a 2-3?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2006, 12:32:20 PM

I meant sailing in the fact that all of the aspects of their games seem to be working well for all of the major contributors right now.  They might have to tighten up the D for Salem, but they are in the best possible position to do so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 06, 2006, 12:34:05 PM
Barrett was the point down the stretch for RWU last year I would assume he is again this year.

Although there is always a lot of positional confusion on this board as many of us with our schedules don't get to see teams very often
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 06, 2006, 12:52:26 PM
James said in page 104 that Barett "has it all in the PG category." That's what I was going on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2006, 01:31:02 PM

They (meaning RWU) do seem to be playing a different line-up this season, so perhaps I am wrong.  I'm sure it will be all worked out by the time conference play heats up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 06, 2006, 02:16:08 PM
Billy Barrett is the point for RWU this year.  As far as FT's go. The one thing I notice about successful teams is their 1&2 guards get to the foul line a ton. It usually happens at the end of the game when the other teams needs to stop the clock. I am not sure getting to the FL is a major factor in choosing the All Conference player. The asssit to turn over is a valid point and I am not sure why Barrett's is so low. It doesn't hog the ball and is very efficient with his shots as his stats show. I'll need to think about that more.

As for Barret being the leading scorer and Kaufman being the third leading scorer. I guess we need to look at the minutes the other Hawk players get. Gumb is second leading scorer, 11.2 PPG with only about 18 min per game, and Barranger is third at 10.2 PPG and 22 per game. None of the RWU bigs are getting 30 min per game. If they did Barrett may be in the same situation as Kaufman or visa versa.

As you said, there is a lot of the season to go. Anything can happen!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru2 on December 06, 2006, 02:24:49 PM
Hoops,

After seeing ENC get so close to winning in so many games, do you see that as a good sign for the future?  I really am at a loss for what they can do to get over that hump! Atleast they have improved from last year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2006, 02:48:41 PM

It's way too early to talk about POY, Raheim Lamb shared POY honors with St Clair a few years back and he only played second semester.  It all comes down to who does well in February.


As far as ENC losing the close games, I think that is the line between an overacheiving team and one's that's just not very good.  If they were really capitalizing on the talent and athleticism that they've shown glimpses of, they'd be winning these games.  The fact is, they aren't.  However, they are sticking in games this year, which just wasn't happening last season.  Cheers to the new coach for that one.  They'd also have a respectible record if they had any crunch time player at all.  As dominant as Jasmin can be at times, he doesn't have another gear to go into when the clock winds down.  Nothing on him; he's just not that guy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on December 06, 2006, 08:41:46 PM
Just a couple thoughts to add.

Barrett is a definately a point and always has been whether that be HS or college.  Last year he split minutes with Camobreco at the point but seems to be taking that role over this year and deservedly so.  Any basketball fan who sees Barrett play really likes him, he is kind of a "throwback player."  If you have seen him play you know what I mean.  As far as comparing him to Kauffman, in my opinion Kauffman is slightly better but maybe simply because he is a year older. 

As far as ENC goes, you are right they do not have a go-to-guy.  But typically the end of a close game is won by the team with better guard play.  Handle the press, make FT's, create a turnover, etc.... therefore Jasmins influence on the game, as a post player, will lessen down the stretch of a close game.  As far as being in more close games they are simply still young and trying to learn how to win.  This is basically the same team as last year that got better at the end of last season and is continuing to slowly improve.  We'll see if they get over the hump?   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: glory_days on December 06, 2006, 10:34:34 PM
Interesting discussion point.  What does it mean to be a "throwback player?"  Does he wear short shorts?  High socks?  Chuck Ts?  Just a little something to get the conversation of POY.  We're trying to predict that already? Really?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on December 07, 2006, 12:04:47 AM
Funny.  I didn't say throwback "dresser" I said "player."  Meaning he is well-rounded skill-wise, plays both ends and does everything well.  Also he doesn't force his own game like most good players these days and just goes out and plays hard.  Guess I should have been more specific.  Although next time I watch him play I will watch for the Chuck T's!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC_Apologist on December 07, 2006, 02:16:08 AM
GC gave away the Salem game last year. Poor decision making down the latter portion of the 2nd half gave way to Salem being able to emerge victorious. This year however, GC seems to be able to close off games better. Their senior leadership is obviously apparent and their junior play has most definitely helped as well. With the token play they are getting from their young bloods, one has no choice but to like GC in this game.  Luckily they have been tested early in this young year, so they should not surprised by a good Salem team. Plus, the fact that these two teams are so evenly matched, and it'll basicly come down to who makes the least mistakes, and who wants the win more. I wont be able to be there, but I can only imagine it'll be one hell of a game.

I know CSC is having an off year, rightfully so after losing St. Clair. But is RWU that legite? Or are they the CCC's version of the 01, 02, 03, Philly Eagles? In that they get everyones hopes up early, and they look highly promising, only to have the bubble burst when it counts, i.e. losing to WIT in the CCC quarterfinals last year. Just curious.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2006, 09:20:01 AM

RWU will have to continue to prove itself in the second half, but they've always been legit.  Last year there was a 3/4 season hangover after watching that horrible injury to Gumb happen mid-game.  You can't underestimate how much that takes out of a team.  The rebounded well for the CCC tournament, but they were stil la year away.


Unless Tim Jones gets back to Curry fast, I think RWU will be the major hurdle for Gordon this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2006, 09:26:34 AM

Tonight's games:

CSC hosts Bowdoin
EC @ WPI
NEC @ Daniel Webster
NC @ Worcester State
ENC @ Emerson
SRU hosts RIC
RWU @ UMASS-Dartmouth
CC @ WNEC
WIT vs Coast Guard at Suffolk

Some tough match-ups for the CCC out of conference tonight.  It will be interesting to see how Roger Williams does against a very good Dartmouth team.  It's a wierd night when Nichols and New England College are our best shots at wins.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 07, 2006, 11:46:29 AM
For the record, I didn't say a thing about Player of the Year. I was just comparing stats and mentioned last year First Team snub on Kaufman.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 07, 2006, 12:44:30 PM
Lets take a spin around the league:

In the South:

Roger Williams is certainly looking like the class of the South thus far. Nice to see Dan Gumb back playing and Billy Barrett is emerging as a premier player in the league, good times for them.

Over at Nicholls the kids are contributing and will give Lewis and Valleee enough to help them get over the hump this year and be in the final 4 come CCC  tourny time, I strongly believe that.

Salve is a tough team to figure out. Losing Matt Coute is a bear but Grendel and Goodridge should have them in a lot of games.

Curry - whose playing when? Is Jones coming back? Is Oneychi going there? Are Toby Brittain and John Bowers gonna behave themselves? This is the total wildcard team for the whole league.

ENC- DaSilvia out, meaning the Amcats may win a conferance game.

AMC- Certainly have much better spreads this year than last year plus the return of Poccaro is good to see.

In the North:

Gordon is the class of the league right now and I have nothing bad to say about their team. Their fans on the other hand dominate this forum and theres really nothing I need to say that hasn't been said. Also I'm pretty sure the average Gordon fan will tell you the all conferance team should be all 5 Gordon Starters.

Colby-Sawyer is starting slow but the kids are contributing they showed the order of things in the north is still pretty standard by beating Wentworth and I'm eager to see what Jon Chaloux can do over a long period of time.

Endicott is struggling at the moment. The win over UNE was expected but a win is a win and they needed one. Not sure where the scoring punch is going to come from for these guys.

NEC- Winning some games, Oneychi rumors still flying around. There is a lot of talent up there, I like their chances 2nd semester.

WIT- I cannot figure this team out, I was kinda expecting them to take a leap this year and so far they just haven't. That being said they played a tough early season schedule a team to keep an eye on in the 2nd semester as well.

UNE- Out gunned but will play hard every night this team will beat someone they aren't supposed to
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on December 07, 2006, 01:49:32 PM
I have enjoyed the recent banter fellas, keep it up.  Not to be overlooking the CCC games tonight, but would a convincing GC win over Salem State on Sat be enough to put them in the top 25?  I know it may depend on what some other top 25 teams do, but I was just thinking.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2006, 02:15:44 PM

Gordon probably won't get in until well into January.  I think a good number of teams ahead of them will have to lose twice.  The GC schedule isn't all that stacked, especially from a national perspective.  Obviously, if they stay undefeated it is only a matter of time until they get in, but recall that Baruch had a fantastic record last year and only got into the top 25 at the end of the year only to burn the voters by stinking it up in the tournament.

I think GC's got a little more cred than Baruch, but the voters are vary wary of the smaller conferences (like the CCC).  Salem's been down the last couple years; a win there isn't even going to be a blip on the national scene.

GC still isn't back up to the number of vote points they had in the pre-season poll.  They already have the respect of the NE voters, but it will take a good amount of time to work their way up to the top.  Right now they are on par with teams like Carthage and Hampden-Sydney, who not only play tougher schedules, but have more national recognition.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 07, 2006, 02:20:21 PM
CCC Talk I agree the board is flooded with GC supporters, I wish other schools would get as interested in basketball; we used to see that on the CCC board.  That is not intended to be a knock on other fans just a statement.  As for you comment about GC fans thinking the CCC first team should be the Gordon starting five, lets not get outrageous.  I am not defending D-Webbs in this instance, but I will pose this question, Do you know of another conference that does not award all-conference teams by position?  Last years CCC first team had four forwards and one guard (St. Clair, Marinkovic, Marstaller, Lamb and Coute).  It can be argued that Kaufman was the best point guard in the conference last year and he should have been on the first-team.  With all this being said we are talking about end of season awards and it is December 7th lets put that off until we hit the middle of the conference season at least.

In answer to another question, I think if some other ranked and receiving votes team lose Gordon could slide into the 25 slot or at least get close with a win over Salem State.  They haven't beat enough good teams to really deserve to crack the top 25, but Salem State sure would help, it will be a great afternoon in the Bennett Center on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2006, 02:47:09 PM

d3hoops.com awards their all-american teams by positions, as do some conference, but not all and I would say there is enough discrepancy that I couldn't tell you which way of doing it is more appropriate, especially in the revolving face of basketball where positions mean less and less every year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC_Apologist on December 07, 2006, 07:00:01 PM
I 2nd Maqs' need to delay POY hearing's until players have become consistant enough to warrant talk over it. Dec. 7th? Come on.  As far as GC being ranked goes... as fans of GC, as well as of the conference, seeing them nationally ranked would be monumental, but with their out of conference schedule, and them being in the CCC, lets not expect that exposure just yet. Do we remember last year when the Scots rolled off 18 straight wins and weren't even sniffed at until February? They need to continue to win the games that they are suppose to win, which includes Saturday's contest, and have great showings against teams like Bates, and I believe they will find the promise land come late January. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 07, 2006, 08:59:31 PM
UMASS Dartmouth rained tres on RWU shooting 50% from the arc and  beating the Hawks 72-61.

Twice in the game the Corsairs lead by as much as 17 pts. The Hawks defense that held Curry to just 14 pts in the second half the other night just wasn't there tonight.

Scoring for RWU were Barrett 16, Gumb 12, Loughton 10 and Barranger 9. Barranger lead on the rebounds with 7.

Other than Barrett the Hawks just can't find the the consistent stroke from the arc. In his freshman year Gumb shot close to .400 from the arc and Wooley had great stats as well. Neither of them seem to have any touch from outside this year.

If the Hawks have a fatal flaw it is their long range shooting. Barrett isn't going to be enough to pull out the CCC Championship.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 07, 2006, 11:37:41 PM
If the CCC has any more nights like tonight Gordon can kiss any hope of being ranked goobye. 

CSC lost against Bowdoin
Endicott lost against WPI
Nichols lost against Worcester St
ENC lost against Emerson
Salve lost against RIC
RWU lost against UMass-Dartmouth
Curry lost against WNEC (WNEC joins the CCC in 2007-2008)

WIT beat Coast Guard
NEC beat Dainel Webster

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 08, 2006, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: James on November 24, 2006, 12:40:09 PM
All Conference players & POY:

At this moment it is Billy Barrett at RWU is my pick. He has scored 20 and 19 points is his last two outings and is ice from the foul line. He attacks the basket, gets to the line, outside % is great and TO's are low. So far he has it all in the PG catagory.

What are your picks?



I don't know what my name is getting dragged under the bus. I didn't say anything about this years Player of the Year. I was simply giving stats for the "best point guard in the league right now" debate, which wasn't even started by me. I support Gordon, but so do other people.

I guess my karma needs to go down a couple more points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on December 08, 2006, 01:03:36 AM
I have yet to post this year, however I am not new to this site, and I posted frequently last season.  I am, as indicates, an EC basketball fan and am getting annoyed with all this Gordon basketball talk.  Sure they have good players, and a good team...but come on their schedule has been absolutely cake compared to ECs early season schedule.  I have a few statistics that will back up my claim.

Gordon has beaten Mt Ida whos is 3-7, MIT who is 4-5, Philadelphia Bible who is 3-4, Mitchell 3-6, WIT 3-4, and NEC who is 4-3 for a combined 20-29 record, or 9 games below .500.

Endicott has played RIC 5-1, Lasell 2-4, Keene State 5-1, Bates 8-0, MIT 4-5, UNE 1-5, and WPI 6-1 for a combined record of 31-17, or a record of 14 games above .500

Now argument shows that Gordon is 6-0 while Endicott is a lesser 2-5, but against a much harder schedule.  Endicott is playing average or subaverage play against these higher teams, but it will only get them ready for conference play, and we will see then who is the best team in the conference.  Gordon is a solid team...so far.  But lets keep in mind who is the 3-time defending CCC champions...Endicott.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 08, 2006, 08:07:25 AM
dwebbs

Sorry, didn't mean to throw you under the bus. I was just adding my vote for Barrett as an All Conference Player. POY should probably go to a junior or senior
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2006, 09:44:31 AM

Wow.  I totally expected two wins for the CCC last night (reference earlier post), but I in now way thought WIT would be one of them.  I know Coast Guard lost key players from last season, but this is a very nice win for the Leopards.  I was hoping RWU would pull it out, but Dartmouth is tough.  Now for the round-up:

CSC 78 Bowdoin 82.  Unusual home loss for CSC, but a close game is a better sign for them.  CSC again allowed an opponent to shoot 50% from the floor; their FG% Defense must be attrocious.  Bowdoin also shot well from three, which ultimately made a big difference in a close game.  Szelinga had 22 points, Cousins 18, Murray went 13 and 12, Trunciletto had 11 points and Fouriner had 7 assists.  The turnovers were down and the rebounding was improved.  They could still get to the line a bit more, but CSC finally seems to have the offense coming together.  Now they just have to get the defense in line.  Maybe there is a little more hope for them this year than I first thought.  On the other hand, Bowdoin is having a down year.

EC 70 WPI 81.  EC was down 13 at halftime which allowed WPI to coast a bit in the second half.  Cain and Coleman were just too much to handle for the Gulls (by the way, is EC still officially the PowerGulls or have the dropped the "power" for good?).  Sullivan went for 16 and 11, WPI presumably allowing him to roam free as they shut down Marinkovic.  They totally outrebounded WPI, but committing 35 turnovers is pretty much a guaranteed loss.  Also 6-10 vs 20-23 from the FT line is telling.

NEC 95 Daniel Webster 80.  Another high scoring affair for NEC over an absolutely attrocious opponent.  No stats yet.

NC 76 Worcester State 81.  Nichols beat Worcester State by 30 to open the season, so this one suprised me a little bit.  Vallee had 28, seemingly scoring at will.  Bryan Riley had 10 points.  Lewis has been quiet the last few games; I wonder if he's sick or something.  His shooting has been off and his minutes have been down.  This was a very even game; they just got beat.  In comparison to the first game, the big difference is that Lewis had 16 points more than he did last night.  As he goes, so goes the NC squad.

ENC 61 Emerson 83.  ENC never beats Emerson and this was no different now that Emerson actually has a home gym.  No stats from this one either.

SRU 78 RIC 84.  RIC is a very good team, so this one is actually a great result for Salve.  They're really playing well together at this point.  Goodridge had 26 along with 8 rebounds and 6 assists, Woodworth had 13 for SRU.  Salve led at the half, but RIC shot lights out for the victory.  Salve is ready to play though, sticking tough with a very good squad.

RWU 61 UMASS-Dartmouth 72.  UMASS-D came out swinging and didn't let up.  We got good info in a previous post.  Barrett 16, Gumb 12, Laughton 10.  The shooting touch just wasn't there for RWU.  Not one of their better games, but against a good opponent it shouldn't hurt them too badly.

CC 53 WNEC 70.  WNEC is playing well, another sleeper in the region and a future CCC team.  Curry again with a disappointing showing.  Wynn's got his work cut out for him to work second half magic once again with this team.  Curry only shot 33% from the floor.  Brittian led the way in scoring, but only had 15 points on 13 FG attempts.  Prescod had 13 points on 15 attempts and Bowers had 12 on 12.  They may need to do a little more with shot selection in the future.  Three-pointers and FTs weren't much better.  WNEC's guards did all the scoring, again showing that Jones is desperately needed for Curry to salvage anything.  I didn't expect them to win this one, but Curry should have been closer in the end.

WIT 58 Coast Guard 56 at Suffolk.  Good win for WIT.  Todd Doyle decided to show up for his sophomore season, even if he was a few games late.  He led the team with 23 points; Gaine had 14.  Doyle, Bolton and PBJ all had 5 or more assists as team ball helped them overcome a huge rebounding disadvantage (46 for Coast Guard to 29 for WIT).  Good showing for WIT, especially since Coast Guard has some height, which has been a big challenge for Wentworth so far.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on December 08, 2006, 09:46:10 AM
While I (and probably many of us) am typically annoyed by the EC vs GC banter, the last poster on the topic does make a decent point.  My feelings on the topic are simple.  If Gordon is as good or even great as they thought they were going to be this year, they should have scheduled much tougher opponents non-conference.  

Come on, they hope to be ranked nationally but schedule Mt. Ida and Mitchell in a 2 week period.  Why not throw in Bard and Daniel Webster why they are at it?   If they want to get mentioned in the same breath as some of the big boys they need to step up and play a legit schedule.  Why not schedule Amherst or Trinity (Conn)?  Even a tough loss to those teams would mean more and do more to prepare you for conference and the playoffs than a 30 point drubbing of Mitchell.  We even had a poster say after that win against Mitchell that Gordon was starting to get back on track after a slow start.  How do you know that?  And what if Gordon was to win one of those really tough games, then someone who matters might actually take notice earlier than Feb.          
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2006, 09:51:15 AM
Satruday's Games
GC hosts Salem State
EC hosts Wheaton (MA)
UNE @ ME-Farmington
AMC @ Bard
WIT @ RPI
SRU @ Connecticut College


Nichols, RWU, Curry, ENC, and CSC are done until after the New Year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2006, 09:54:43 AM

As far as Gordon goes, they are hedging their bets.  If something happens and they don't win the CCC tournament (like last year) they can rely on their record and decent QOWI number to get them in.

As far as the selection committee is concerned (because they only look at numbers) a win over Mt Ida is better than a loss to Amherst, not by much, but it is.

The way I see it, Gordon is being smart.  They don't have a nationally competitive team talent wise, but they are trying to move in that direction.  It's better to get some name recognition now, as they're building the program, to give them more clout when they finally have the players to back it up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballbliss on December 08, 2006, 09:58:42 AM
To "anECfan",
I can understand your frustration with the frequent mentions of Gordon College.  Endicott fans have every right to post their discouragement.  As Maq has said before, GC fans are excited about their program right now after an excellent season last year, coming off 3 less successful seasons.  The board would seem less GC centered if fans from other schools posted more often. 
Right now there is a lot of talk of Gordon because, though their schedule may not be as stacked as other schools so far, the Scots are still 6-0 over all, 2-0 in conference and are still receiving votes for the top-25 poll.  In regard to conference play, last year the Scots lost only one conference game (to EC) in regular season play.  EC had 3 conference losses in regular season play with a total record of 19-10.  Gordon's loss to CSC in the conference tournament denied them a trip for the championship, though they still won an at large bid for the NCAA's.  Both EC and GC lost in the first round of the tournament. 
All that said, it is still much too early in the season to be making calls on the 2007 tournaments.  And, as you said, conference play has just started.  GC still has several hefty match-ups in their season, including Saturday's game with Salem State and a February match-up with Bates.  But EC also lost two of its top three players in Matt George and Zach Ellis. 

Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 08, 2006, 10:19:26 AM
There is a lot to be said about the amount of discussion devoted to Gordon, EC, and RWU. As can be seen over the past few weeks, the subject matter has been dominated by mainly these three schools. There are reasons for this, namely that they have either been performing well (Gordon and Roger Williams), or have had interesting story lines in transition from last year (EC).

It has been beaten to death, but it is worth mentioning again: success of a program breeds fan interest. These schools apparently have done something right and it is echoed here. End of point.

Turning to the scheduling debate, as Hoops previously stated, there are numerous 'strategies' involved when the time comes to form your schedule.

There's the 'let's give our guys some experience before we start facing some tough schools' strategy: Apparently, this is the case with Gordon and NEC (with the exception of Keene St). Gordon has some new guys in the rotation, and Schauer wanted to see what he was dealing with before he accrued any unnecessary losses. It is difficult to debate the benefits of this plan, as it is merely used as a barometer for assessing a team before making the necessary changes to play against better schools. As others have stated, there are some bad things about it, too. Namely that a team goes unnoticed and trounces small schools, while other programs are roughing it against perennial powerhouses.

Then there's the 'test 'em early, and we'll make something of ourselves' strategy: Enter Endicott, and seemingly RWU. These schools have decided to play their tough games early, against Tufts, WPI, Amherst, Salem State and Keene State. More power to them. This strategy simply decides to place an underdog, but still talented team, against a more experienced opponent in the attempt to get its players to understand what it means to play at a high level.

There are many other strategies that are used, but these two are the most apparent right now in the CCC. Both work in different ways and have their pros and cons.

With the CCC being a lesser-known conference, the out-of-conference games are important. However, the goal of each program in the conference is still to win the championship come February. Endicott's had the number of each championship opponent the last three years, and, you know what? They could very well do it again this time. But the fact is this... Talent is arriving at some of these CCC schools in the forms of some new freshmen. The league is only getting better and we'll see what happens down the stretch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 08, 2006, 10:47:18 AM
Gordon and Endicott have a common out of conference opponent.

Gordon beat MIT.
MIT beat Endicott.

I don't know what that means... but it happened.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 08, 2006, 10:50:42 AM
Congrats to WIT for beating Coast Guard and mainting some respect for the CCC.  CCC Talk was correct in saying that this team could be good, and once they get Bynes back, they might do better than thought.  For the first time this season, they played defense (against a good team) and used their speed to outbattle Coast Guard's size.  Next up for WIT is RPI at RPI on Saturday
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 08, 2006, 11:16:16 AM
I am not saying Coach Schauer is the next Jim Calhoun or Jim Boeheim but look at how those two D1 powerhouses schedule.  Play a schedule that builds a resume and confidence and then as the season goes on play tougher opponents.  Bottom line you can only win the games you play once the season gets here.  How much confidence is EC going to have come the first of the year if they are sitting at 2-6?  How much presure will they be under to win or go home at the end of the year?  Is playing the schedule they play worth that.  The QOWI, which is a major factor in who gets into the dance, rewards winning so from that stand point Gordon is putting themselves in a good position.  With that being said I would look for a tougher schedule from Gordon in future seasons, I know they want to play tougher opponents.  Bottom line you can only win the games you play once the season gets here and Gordon has won every game the have played thus far.

Hoops a question for you, how good is WPI?  Endicott turned the ball over 35 times holy cow, yet WPI only won by 11.  If that happened against Gordon or RWU, EC would be in a world of hurt.

EC fan's who is running the point for the Gull's?  I saw Whitelaw and Burton had a combined 18 turnovers.  I saw Whitelaw play in highschool and I have seen Burton a few times and neither seemed great but both were solid, but both have negative assist to turnover ratios.  Anyway who is running the point?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on December 08, 2006, 12:22:40 PM
Burton is running the point for the most part, but Whitelaw does run it when Burton is either not in the game, or if Burton is running ahead of the pack.  Endicott has had a problem turning the ball over and that is why they have lost a majority of the games they have played.  It seems as though they shoot well, but turn the ball over way too much to win games.

I don't think EC's confidence will be that low if they finish 2-6 before break.  They know they have been playing some very tough regional opponents, and have let a few of the games slip away because of turnovers.  You also have to figure that Nemenja Marinkovic isn't playing like he has in the past, and with some more practice time, and a little break hopefully he comes around to being the dominant force he was in the past three seasons.

The one thing that will be disapointing for EC is the fact that they play at Gordon during EC's long winter break...but I think/assume that Gordon will be back in session when EC visits in late January? That will be a huge boost for Gordon, even though playing at home against EC is always a huge boost for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballbliss on December 08, 2006, 01:25:23 PM
Yes, Gordon will be back in session for that game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2006, 02:57:40 PM

WPI is a solid team, but not as good as they were last year.  It didn't look like they were putting out full effort in the second half of the EC game.


Burton is one player who needs to step up.  I noted in my preseason rundown of EC that he had a lot of potential to be the floor leader they need.  Turnovers were a huge problem for them at the beginning of last season as well.  I'm not so worried about them getting that under control.  The bigger concern for them is if their post players can defend agressive scoring big men from other teams.  That issue concerns me most about this EC squad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on December 08, 2006, 05:07:24 PM
To anECfan:
   Help me here. I've been trying to rally the cause. Your post based on the quality of the competition Gordon has faced and EC makes my point. It's better in the long run to be 2-6 or 3-5 and have played up the whole time than to schedule cake walks like Mt. Ida! Sure there's room for making sure the wins are there for the postseason, but by then, I'm hoping the Gulls figure out the rotations, the new guys step up and all could be fine.
 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2006, 05:21:19 PM

It's all about the post-season anyway.  A rebuilding team like EC has to win the conference tournament to get to the NCAAs anyway, so a few early non-con losses don't matter one bit.  However, Gordon has a good returning team with a real shot at an at-large bid if they don't win the conference tournament.


It's way to early to compare teams anyway, but I don't think either plan has anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 08, 2006, 07:38:18 PM
EC fans,

EC has played a better schedule thus far, no doubt.  That being said I have two things two say, firstly you guys keep metioning Mt. Ida, they were an opponent scheduled for a reason.  When you host a Tip-off tournament you want to make sure you are playing in the finals, so we scheduled Mt. Ida so we had the best chance of being there, though Gordon was the class of that Tournament so I don't think it would have made a difference who we played.  Secondly, you can only play the games that are on your schedule and Gordon has yet to lose and they are only getting better each time out.  EC is 2-5 and seem to be spinning their wheels at best.  But Hoops fan is right for EC it only matter how they play during the CCC tournament and that is a few months away so we will have to wait to see how it all plays out.

anECfan,

I too and disapointed that EC fans wont be back for the first game between GC and EC.  I hich they would schedule those two games in February.  Those are always great games and the fans are a big part of that for both sides.  A few years ago Gordon played at EC before the EC students were back.  That sucked so at least we have the game at the POST center later this year.  I can't wait for that match-up it should be a great game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on December 08, 2006, 07:39:03 PM
wow wentworth beat the coast guard. CCC must be excited about this
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: glory_days on December 08, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
Just a few responses here:

ballinbliss said, "As Maq has said before, GC fans are excited about their program right now after an excellent season last year, coming off 3 less successful seasons."

I don't know how long ballinbliss has followed GC bball because if he had then he would know that in the '99-'00 season, GC went 3-21.  Now that is a "less successful" season.  It's an indicator of how far GC bball has come in the past years.

Also, Maq Diesel said, "I am not saying Coach Schauer is the next Jim Calhoun or Jim Boeheim but look at how those two D1 powerhouses schedule."

Let's hope we never have to compare Coach Shauer to Jim Calhoun as that will mean Coach Schauer is now rambling incoherently in thick, thick Massachusetts accent. 

Now on to the game.  GC needs to give Salem State a beat to get a little cred from the other posters. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on December 08, 2006, 10:17:10 PM
I'd be interested in who everyone would pick as their coach that they would want to play for - not just in this conference but in New England. Lots of great coaches out there.
Biased opinion would be Plansky - out of retirement. Then I'd go with Charlie Brock. Met him a couple of times at games. Seems like a real nice guy. Nice pedigree. And how cool must it be coaching where the game was invented!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC_Apologist on December 08, 2006, 10:21:49 PM
Being 2-6 against difficult competition may be, for EC, motivation going into conference play, but it does absolutley nothing, zero, zip, nada for you in terms of QOWI.  And you know who knows this, GC's coaching staff. They are covering all bases by setting an easier out of conference schedule. Because if they win the CCC tournament, great, they're automatically in. But if they lose, they can fall back on their stellar out of conference schedule to get them an at large bid. So sure, EC fans may be saying, that's unfair, or that their schedule will help them later on. But GC's schedule is helping them right now, and ultimately, could be helping them come February. Plus, last time I checked, 7-0 usually creates a larger sense of confidence than 2-6, but that's just me.

P.S. As I was writing this HoopsFan posted his, so keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Newburyport on December 09, 2006, 11:01:52 AM
Forget the EC/GC stuff for a while.  The dangerous CCC team is Roger.  Any team that beats Salem State should have everyone's attention in the CCC.  Roger can obviously play in the trenches.  Can any other CCC team?

On Todd Burgos - I saw that he had 10 TOs in a recent game.  Obviously he is trying to do too much.  He's better than that.

New England College - They are a scary team offensively.  I do have some questions about their team conditioning, however.  GC decided to run up and down the court with them and the result was NEC's shooting fading significantly in the second half. 



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on December 09, 2006, 11:12:27 AM
I agree with Newburyport on this one, the EC/GC matchup is always intense but I think the team that GC needs to be worrying about is RWU.

As for the whole schedule situation, Im pretty sure Schaur knows whats he doing.  A good record not only looks good for a post season bid but it helps for recruiting as well.  Telling a recruit you were 21-5 last year compared to something like 14-10 is a big help in convincing kids your run a solid program.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballbliss on December 09, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
There will be a lot of talk in the next few days about the Gordon/Salem State game.  Before that begins, readers should know that Coach Mike Schauer was not at the game because his mother suffered a severe stroke on Thursday evening and is still recovering.  Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on December 09, 2006, 10:42:25 PM
What a tease!!!!! Endicott almost pulls off the major upset. Turnovers were way down, Corbett was tough from the arc, Sully was the man again! A few "young" mistakes at the end cost them huge!
If this is the team that the Gulls play in the conference, we'll be fine!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on December 10, 2006, 10:39:38 AM
Quote from: bballbliss on December 09, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
There will be a lot of talk in the next few days about the Gordon/Salem State game.  Before that begins, readers should know that Coach Mike Schauer was not at the game because his mother suffered a severe stroke on Thursday evening and is still recovering.  Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.

Looks like GC lost a tight one here. One has to wonder if it would have gone the other way if their head coach was there. When games are this close coaching matters most. I am sure the GC players wanted to put this one in the win column for him. I echo bballbliss' sentiments to pray for the coach and his family!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 10, 2006, 11:33:27 AM
I don't know why anyway hasn't said it yet, so I'll just come out and let everybody know...

Gordon won the game, but lost it on a blunder by the ref. Gordon made two FT's to go up 3 with 6.2 left, Salem broke the press and got the ball into the corner to Finn. After a couple head fakes, he put up the shot. The ref closest to the ball initially signaled two, but once the shot went in, and Salem St. players rushed the floor, another ref signaled three, and the initial ref kind of shied away from his call of two. I was on the other side of the court, but everyone I talked to in the Pit said he foot wasn't on the line, it was over it.

That being said, Gordon still had overtime to win, but Salem clearly had all the momentum going in. They also got out rebounded down the stretch.

Go ahead and call me whatever you want, but if this happened to an EC or an RWU fan, they would be making the same grip.

Gordon basically got robbed of a win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on December 10, 2006, 12:50:12 PM
Bottom line is, nobody likes to have refs be a deciding factor. No matter what call they make, they are always half wrong. Tough job - but calling the line on a three is job one!
And you're right we would be howling!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 10, 2006, 02:14:32 PM
Call it Karma for Vogalzang's mugging of Casey Butler last year in your "miracle tournament win" the refs giveth and the refs taketh away
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 10, 2006, 02:26:58 PM
If you want to talk about muggings, we could mention the inconsistent refing for the duration of the game. They were terrible, but that's my opinion – just as it's your opinion that Vogz mugged the Nichols player.

It's not anybody's opinion that the ref closest to the play signaled two when the shot was released, then later winked at the Pit. That really happened.

I understand the moral of your story, but they're two different things.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 10, 2006, 02:41:52 PM
Also, I'd like to add that the absence of Coach Schauer didn't affect the outcome of this game. The players I've talked to said that it was different, obviously, but they didn't feel as though they were under coached.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 10, 2006, 08:27:26 PM
Interesting that reffing is the topic at hand because that was the very problem in CSC's 82-78 loss to Bowdoin. I will paint the picture for those who were'nt there as I was. The Chargers were up and down for most of the game and to tell you the truth alot of fans started leaving late in the 2nd half. With 3:15 left Nate Truncelito stole the ball at the top of the key and streaked to the basket for a layup that cut Bowdoin's lead to one, capping a big comeback. Bowdoin's Jackson hit a mid range shot and a three point lead with 2 to go. The lead stayed the same as both teams traded baskets until Truncelito hit a big three with around 30 ticks on the clock, 78-76 Bowdoin. Here is where it gets hectic. CSC's press had been broken all night long and suddenly a glimmer of hope arose as they trapped Bowdoin in the right corner near the student section. As we chanted DE-FENSE, everyone hoped fora miracle, and we got one with a Tyler Fournier steal and pass to Truncelito. In traffic he went up for a bucket on the right side, no good slid off the glass to the left side of the basket where he grabbed it again, and his second chance was also no good, Bowdoin got the board and would hit both their free throws on the other end, with :03 on the clock all hope was lost. This final play seemed almost too perfect for the poorest ref corps I've seen as a basketball fan. Countless no calls and wrong calls, going both ways, including a ball off of a CSC player with no one else around that was called a CSC ball, and an Andrew Cousins three point attempt where he ended up on his back near half court, no call. Truncelito was clearly fouled on his second attempt, if not his first, and it was an easy opportunity for the refs to make up for a bad game and award the chance for a tie. As they left the arena fans let them have it, including myself who was almost thrown out by campus safety (a few choice words that shouldn't have been used) I am glad to see I'm not the only one noticing the poor reffing going on across the CCC and that it is not just at Colby-Sawyer. I think we should continue to discuss this, has anyone else noticed a change??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 10, 2006, 11:10:14 PM
I think we can agree that the CCC refs are just awful.  Or at least a good majority of them.  How is the league supposed to gain any respect if they can't even bring in good refs?  Just one more thing the CCC needs to improve on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hoopnews on December 10, 2006, 11:21:00 PM
I'm not sure, but I think there are regional assignments for refs, not conference associations.  Like, a ref might do a game at Trinity on thursday and albertus magnus on saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 11, 2006, 12:52:18 AM
Yes the CCC belongs to the ECAC and they do the reffing assignments for almost all the games in New England.  I was having a conversation after the game and it came down to three man officiating crews are lazy and thus nit as good as old two man crews.  As for the Gordon Salem game I have a few comments.  One, Coach Martin did very well in place for Coach Schauer.   Two, the reffing was the worst I have ever seen and it went both ways.  Not as much in regards to fouls but just generally terrible calls and totally inconsistent, although Salem states guards would have been long gone by overtime if the reffs knew what a hand check was.  Three, Salem State is super athletic maybe the most in New England and they came to play, this is a good example of teams bringing their A+ game against Gordon.  Four, Downie is the real deal on offense, but he plays no defense until the last 5 minutes, I think so he doesn't foul out.  Five, I really believe Gordon is the better team and they will show it over the course of the year.

SIX, IT WAS A TWO.  I was five feet away, Finn was guarded by Trigg and he stepped inside the arc and tried to step back and shoot and his foot was on the line for a two.  And like Dwebbs said the reff three feet away called it a two, the reff on the far side of the court called it a two and the reff with the worst angle called it a three.  Salem celebrated and they flat out chickened out of making the call.  That being said, Salem had the momentum going in but Gordon still had a fair chance in overtime, even though its should have even got to that point. 

Seven, Butler held that ball out like a dirty diaper and Vogelzang tipped it out, he should have never let them see the ball, they should have had to wrap him up.  But the past is the past.  Gordon has one more game before the break this Thursday @ Husson.  Gordon is a much better team but Wenham to Bangor is a long bus ride, hopefully they take care of business and finish the first half 7-1.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2006, 09:36:36 AM

The ECAC assigning refs is some of the problem.  Obviously d3 gets less quality and the CCC is pretty far down on the list.  The conference refs have gotten consistently worse since I began watching games back in '99.  The problem I've seen is not ability (we're going to get bad refs; there's nothing you can do about that) it's the inconsistency.  Players never know from one trip down the floor to the next what will be allowed and what will be called a  foul.  It's impossible to get in rhythm if you're always wondering what will be whistled.


As far as the poor refs at CSC go, none of you may have been around long enough to remember it, but this is karmic justice for all those years of hometown refs in New London.  There was a reason CSC has such a long home losing streak ending near the beginning of this decade; the refs there were always the same and unashamed about showing bias (there are some amazing stories from that time).  I assume it was because there weren't too many refs who lived nearby to get assigned there.  Now that the ECAC has fixed the problem, I'm not exacly full of sympathy for the Chargers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2006, 10:02:52 AM
GC 70 Salem State 76.  We've heard about how Gordon actually won this game and I'm sure we'll debate the merits of entering the conference season with or without an undefeated record intact (I think having a loss will help the team focus better), but after seeing the stats it's amazing to me that GC was even alive at the end of regulation.  They were horribly outrebounded, their threes weren't falling and the took and made far fewer FTs than normal.  Basically, Salem State got them out of their game plan and GC still had enough to hang in there to the end.  That says volumes for this squad.  Marstaller had 13 and 12 with 5 blocks, Herr had 18, Logan had 13 with 6 assists and Kauffman had 10 with 6 assists.  They could have (and probably should have) come away with the win, but this was an overtime non-conference loss to a good opponent when the team wasn't playing all that well.  I think this well help the team considerably as they prepare to finish the season.

EC 64 Wheaton (MA) 67.  EC got a lot of good play from their bench, once again, but no one could (or wanted to) get to the free throw line and it absolutely killed them.  Wheaton shot 25-27 from the stripe and EC managed only 6-8.  They're still not rebounding well, but their three point shooting kept it close.  Corbett led with 13 and Marinkovic had 12.  Good minutes from Joey Burgos off the bench; he may be starting soon.

UNE 79 ME-Farmington 88.  This is a deceptive score.  UNE was down 18 at the half and scored most of their points against the Farmington bench.  Steve Belmonte continues his coming out party, leading UNE with 16 points and 8 assists.  Stickney went for 13 and 12, Selmer had 12 off the bench along with 5 assists and Floyd and Marriott had 11 a piece.  Nick Farynaz continues to struggle and underachieve.  He and RWU's Brandon Parrish are neck and neck for the "promising freshman who most tanked during his career" award.  UNE controlled the ball well, but they just couldn't shoot well enough to stay close.  Farmington is just a better team.

AMC 62 Bard 66.  Bard gets revenge for an earlier loss and claims their first win of the year.  Daigneault went for 12 and 13 for AMC.  Adam Garabedian had 13 and Quincy Nunnally had 12.  Porcaro played 30 minutes of this one, but managed only 5 points.  Dan Sadlowski had 7 assists.  They won the rebounding battle, but did commit 20 turnovers.  AMC was down nine at the half and improved their play, but not enough to pull it out.  Their matchups with ENC this season should be absolute barnburners!

WIT 57 RPI 78.  RPI pulled away with a big run in the second half and never looked back.  PB&J paced WIT with one of the greatest lines ever.  He scored 22 points without getting a single rebound, assist, block, steal or turnover.  Just amazing.  Todd Doyle left town again after that big game against Coast Guard, playing 30 meaningless minutes.  This was a futile effort.  Perhaps Coast Guard should feel bad about that loss the other day.  You never can tell what team will show up for Wentworth.

SRU 76 Connecticut College 70.  The CCC got a win over the NESCAC, so what if it's Conn College?  A win's a win.  These are the kinds of games Salve has dropped in the past, so it's a good way for them to go into the holiday break.  Woodworth paced the team with 17 points, Walsh had 12 and Goodridge, Desantis and Werth each had 10 points. Grendal had seven assists as he effectively passed out of double teams to shooters who were on fire, shooting 60% from the floor.  They allowed CC's best player, Stone to score at will and overcame his 37 with a team oriented attack.  Good show for SRU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2006, 10:05:36 AM

UNE is at Southern Maine tomorrow, Castleton State travels to NEC on Wednesday and Gordon goes up to Husson on Thursday.  Then the CCC is off until January 2nd.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on December 12, 2006, 09:11:41 AM
Gordon moves down but still gets 13 votes in this weeks top 25 voting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2006, 09:12:25 AM
Gordon survived the loss, still garnering 13 votes in the top 25 poll.

I was also made aware this weekend that Wentworth is currently homeless.  They are practicing at random gyms and playing only road games as their gym is being remodeled. Apparently they're playing scheduled home games at Suffolk for now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on December 12, 2006, 08:07:55 PM
Yea i noticed that wenworth has been playing all road games, i wonder what happen to the gym and when its going to be ready. that really stinks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 12, 2006, 09:45:40 PM
It must be helpful to them however to be in that area of Boston where you have several colleges within blocks..but it is certainly a tough thing for a team to work with but it will be interesting to see what happens when it re-opens.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 12, 2006, 11:15:40 PM
It didn't bother Wentworth to play on the road last season, ask Roger Williams.  And since they only lost one player, I can't imagine it would have that much of an effect this season too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2006, 08:57:30 AM

UNE got crushed by Southern Maine last night 83-51.  Southern Maine isn't even that good. Stickney had 12 and 12 and Tom Button added 10 boards.  This game was never close and UNE emptied their bench early when it was obvious this would not be a game.  I've never seen so many players on a UNE box score (I'm talking about ever); they played a lot of guys.  UNE shot 2-21 from deep.  Wow.  Also, Southern Maine has Taylor Coppenrath's little brother playing for them; that's just cool.


NEC hosts Castleton tonight; Gordon travels to Husson tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 14, 2006, 01:20:06 AM
Apparently, NEC lost a close one to Castleton, 78-81. This was just the second win for the Castleton squad.

Tyler Evans had a season-high 21 points and three steals.  NEC also got contributions from Ryan Jaziri with 18 points and Patrick Quinn who dropped in 17 points.  Antoine Sylvia also had a strong double-double performance with 12 points and 17 rebounds.

On a normal night, it would seem that stats like those would get you the win. Apparently the bench didn't do too much.

The box score isn't up yet, but I'm sure details will follow soon enough.

This leaves the CCC with one final game before the winter breaks. Gordon at Husson, all the way up in Bangor, Maine. A lot of people are writing Husson off, but from what I can tell, this is a team that is averaging 21 wins a season under the current coach.

Granted, these wins may not be against quality opponents, but there is something to be said about a system that works. I was talking with a prominent freshman on the Gordon team the other day and he told me that, according to the QOWI, a win at Husson would actually mean more than a win against Salem St. at home.

That being said, Gordon needs this game to go to break on a good note and to rebound from a controversial loss. As long as Gordon sets the pace of the game with its defense and deliberate offense, they should come out on top. Salem St. proved that the way to beat Gordon is to take them out of their element, and force them to play a game they aren't used to.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 14, 2006, 11:39:33 PM
Gordon dropped their second loss in a row against Husson. 70-53.

A bunch of factors led to this one. Gordon turned the ball over 20 times. In the first half, they shot 45.8% from the floor and in the second half, 25%.

Despite going to the line 15 times, and Husson only getting there 4 TIMES IN THE ENTIRE GAME, Gordon was not able to overcome a 6 point deficit at the half.

It seems from the box score that Husson didn't allow the Gordon stars to take any decent shots. They held Marstaller to a 1 for 8 night, and Kaufman only took 2 shots from the floor, and Herr only 6. If this is an indicator as to how the game went, it looks like it was an ugly night in Bangor, Maine.

Again, Marstaller only made one shot, and went 6 for 6 from the line. The guy that he was matched up against had 4 fouls so it looks like they played Marstaller rough. He had 4 fouls himself, so it seems as if he was playing with foul trouble from the start. Salem State did the same thing and it worked for them.

And for the second game in a row, the other main scorers couldn't overcome it. Jerry Logan led Gordon with 16 points and Aaron Trigg had 12.

Four of the Husson starters broke double digits in points, and the ball seems to have been well distributed. Tyler Muzzy had a double-double with 16 points and 10 rebounds. He also had 4 steals and 4 assists. Let me mention that I believe this was the guy guarding Marstaller.

Overall, it looks like Gordon got wrecked. I said earlier that as long as Gordon kept playing its style game, they would have a great shot at winning. From the stats that I just mentioned, they never had the chance to get their slow, deliberate rhythm going in the first place. A tough physical game with fast breaks, etc. Husson took control and ended up with the hard-earned win.

Gordon goes into the winter break for the third year in a row on a losing streak. This loss was not the bounce back that they were hoping for after the loss against Salem St. I bet Schauer was peeling the paint off the walls in the locker room, and he can only hope to get things going again when Northwestern (Minn.) comes to town on the 2nd of January.

For now, happy holidays and enjoy the break.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on December 15, 2006, 08:05:22 AM
wow two losses to NAC schools in the same week for the CCC (Castletown and husson)

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2006, 09:19:56 AM

Luckily for Gordon, Husson has about the easiest schedule in the world and could finish the season with only two or three loses, so this one won't be so bad to have on the record.

That being said, while this wasn't a definite win for them, there is no way they should have lost by 17.  Anyone know if Shauer was back for this game?

Kauffman did nothing and only played 18 minutes; did he get hurt?  Too many turnovers, not enough rebounds.  There are plenty of legit excuses if you all want to make them.  A long drive, a tough gym to play in, finals, looking ahead to the break.

From an overall perspective, I would have rather lost to Husson than Salem State, Gordon dropped both of them.  They'll probably drop out of the votes in the next Top 25 poll, but they can earn their way back in with a good showing next semester.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 17, 2006, 02:11:39 AM
Kaufman did get hurt and didn't play the second half. Nothing serious.

And Schauer was back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on December 18, 2006, 03:47:47 PM
Well, I hope everyone has a great and safe christmas.  Talk to you all in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on December 19, 2006, 07:49:22 PM
I would like to also wish everyone a safe and happy holiday season, whether it's Merry Christmas, Happy Hannucha (I know I missed that one!), or whatever. Let's all meet back here after the first and start following some great guys playing their hearts out!!!!
My best to all the Gulls! See you back on campus in a while. Sorry there won't be so many people at a few games (dumbass schedule) but we'll be back there for you before you know it. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 25, 2006, 09:20:40 AM
I know it's the very last minute but here are some great last minuted gift ideas for the CCC's Men's Basketball Teams.

So go out and see if you can grab the following:

For Curry:  Tim Jones healthy.

For Roger Williams: A hug for Mike Tulley he always looks so sad during games. Plus they don't need much on the court right now they're looking good.

For Salve Regina: Another year of eligibility for Matt Coute

For Nicholls: Some consistancy

For ENC: The ghost of CCC past to show them what it was like when they were competetive.

For AMC: A better nickname

For Gordon: Their own message board so they can post their Scots Propoganda to each other.

For Endicot: Plenty of holiday cheer for their fans, the type you can drink.

For Wentworth: A gym.

For Colby-Sawyer: A floor

For UNE and NEC: One of them needs to agree to change their name.

Happy Holidays to the CCC


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2007, 11:20:52 AM

We're back:

Tonight

GC hosts Northwestern (MN)
CC hosts Brandeis
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 02, 2007, 02:10:25 PM
As we ring in the start of the new year and the second semester does anyone have any news on any roster changes, transfres or ineligability?  There were a lot of rumors floating around before the season started I wonder if there is any validity to any of them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 02, 2007, 04:21:38 PM
Not necessarily a change, but still no Bynes on the Wentworth roster.  We'll see if he plays in their upcoming tournament
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2007, 04:34:10 PM

Depending on the academic structure of particular schools, sometimes players are forced to wait until classes start to be eligible for athletics.  We'll have to wait a couple of weeks to know for sure on anyone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 02, 2007, 11:27:32 PM
N'Western 82 Gordon 87

The biggest story of this game was the freshman Aaron Trigg with 6/7 for three for all of his 18 points. Without Trigg, the Scots were 6/19 from beyond the arc, but Trigg's shots came at big times and kept the Scots up most of the second half.

Marstaller with 23, Kaufman with 8 assists.

Other than that, there isn't much to say. It was an offensive shoot out. N'Western was averaging 82 points/game, and they got that, but Gordon kept up with them.

It was good for the Scots to snap their losing streak going into Saturday's game with Roger Williams. That should be a good game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2007, 10:22:02 AM

Northwestern in a provisional school moving from NAIA, they had not lost to a d3 opponent yet this year and probably still have a few scholarship players on the roster.  That's a nice win for GC, especially seeing how they ended the first semester.  Trigg is a big time talent and he seems to be finding his feet in the GC system.  That will be trouble for the rest of the CCC, the last thing Gordon needs is another weapon.

GC did get pasted on the boards, which will be a huge issue for them against top tier opponents.  They also sent NW to the line 30 times, but their FG% defense was on track and this seems like a good game to warm up for the stretch run.  Marstaller seems to be back in rhythm with 23 points.  Trigg's 18 is nice.  12 and 8 assists from Kauffman and 10 from Logan.  Nobody had more than 3 turnovers.  It seems they were a bit rusty.

The other, perhaps bigger news is that Curry gave Brandeis a game.  CC lost, but 73-81 against a top 3 team in the region is good for the program.  Tim Jones finally made a comeback in a big way leading Curry in every major category with 30 points, 7 boards and 4 assists.  CC didn't get to the line much and can't hit when they're there anyway, but they played a good team very tough.  If they do indeed have some transfers coming in, this could be a very tough team to beat.  Prescod had 11 points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2007, 10:23:37 AM

Tonight:

UNE hosts Middlebury
RWU hosts Conn College
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mattapn02126 on January 03, 2007, 11:06:26 PM
Whats goin on everyone...

Just a couple thoughts from the Gordon game. Both teams really lacked energy which is understandable considering the attendance of about 50. I'm not positive about some names, so give me a break if I mess one up. I see the point guard Kauffman (#24) had good numbers, but his play was really inconsistent. He had about a half dozen turnovers, and refused to get back on defense. He was a little careless with his passes, and he missed three layups. I dont want to sit here and bash anyone, just a tough night it seems. Hes got good strength and quickness, and has a solid jumper. Marstaller (#13) filled it up inside and out. Couple threes and some really nice moves on the block. Soft, soft touch. Herr (#44) is definitely talented; he seemed like he was sleepwalking through this one however. Freshman (#12) has a real nice stroke and was lights out. Gordon runs basically the same set offensively the whole game, a little flex, and some motion with the guards replacing the weak side big man. They know how to run it, spread you out, and they get a lot of good looks. The only liability I could see is rebounding, because the guys they play down low look much more comfortable on the perimeter. Congrats to GC for getting back in the W column.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2007, 09:45:39 AM

Middlebury laid the smack down on UNE (as expected) 79-53.  UNE got 13 and 10 from Stickney and 4 assists from bright newcomer Belmonte, but that was it.  They shot poorly were vastly outrebounded and committed 21 turnovers.

RWU made it close against Connecticut College, but fell 60-65 at home.  It's the first game after the break so we'll give them some slack on this one, but they probably should have won this game.  Barranger had 16 points, Laughton and Bashaw had 10 each.  There is no box score yet, but it seems the Camels scouted well and held Billy Barrett in check.  CC hit FTs down the stretch to win.


Tonight:

Salve hosts Worcester State
Nichols travels to Wesleyan
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on January 04, 2007, 10:39:42 AM
Conn College has slowly become a legit team over the past three years.  They are 9-3 this season with decent wins against MIT, RPI, Wheaton, Springfield and now RWU.  They have Charles Stone who is an outstanding player (I would say better than anyone we have in the CCC) and other seveal other solid guys around him.  I am not sure what this loss says about RWU but probably not much.  They are pretty evenly matched teams.  But Salve did win at Conn earlier this season which does speak to how well they can play on any given night and I have a feeling they will win some big CCC games second semester.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2007, 09:58:30 AM

Last night:

Salve over Worcester State 71-65.  Worcester's been up and down this season so far, even so, their up should not have been this close to Salve.  Another rusty post-holiday game for a CCC team?  Grendal had 16 and 11, Woodworth also had 16 points, Goodridge had 11.  They shot pretty well from three and worked the ball around a lot.  Still they lost the rebound battle and they'll need to improve there.

Nichols somehow took out Wesleyan in double OT on the road.  This is their first real big win on the road.  Certainly not a big win from anyone else's standpoint, but NC wasn't expected to win this one and they pulled it out.  What's even more amazing is that Justin Lewis didn't play and is no longer on the roster. Someone let us know what's up with that.  Vallee led the way with 25 and 13.  NC also got big contributions out of Paquin and Lindgren off the bench, chipping in 19 and 18 respectively.  Nichols didn't play all that well, but they hit a lot of threes that kept them in the game and they pulled it out at the end.  Good win for them.

Tonight:

Wentworth is playing FDU-Fordham in a tournament down in Virginia

Tomorrow:

WIT plays either MCLA or Marymount in the second game of the tournament
ENC hosts Connecticut College
EC @ AMC
CC @ UNE
SRU @ CSC
GC @ RWU
NC hosts WNEC
NEC travels to Johnson State

Sunday:

CSC hosts Middlebury
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2007, 10:08:33 AM

After seeing Lewis disappear (I have to assume he transfered, right?) from the NC roster, I checked the other schools and found no major changes.  Bynes is back on the roster at Wentworth, but other than that, no one has updated anything if there are changes.

The only other one we really expected was to perhaps see Onyechi show up at Curry, which could still happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 06, 2007, 09:40:40 PM
Article:
Bristol, RI- The Roger Williams men's basketball team (6-3, 3-0) extended its home win streak to five games with a 77-67 victory Saturday over visiting Gordon College (7-3, 2-1). Four Hawks posted double-digit points in the game, including junior Dan Gumb (Patterson, NY) who tallied a game-high 21 points and 11 rebounds.
The match-up between the top two vote getters in the Commonwealth Coast Conference Preseason Coaches Poll began with Gordon taking the early 13-8 lead. The Hawks however quickly fought back to move ahead, 15-14, and would not trail again throughout the game.

RWU's biggest lead of the half was 15 thanks to a pair of free throws from freshman Rick Laughton (Durham, NH) with 2:16 remaining in the stanza. Gordon cut the lead to 46-34 at intermission with a tip-in by Jon Marstaller five seconds before the buzzer. Marstaller finished the game with a team-high 17 points.

Missed free throws hurt the Fighting Scots in the first half, as the team went 13-24 from the line.

A strong start by Gordon in the second half cut its deficit to just seven, 52-45, after 4:38 of play. Back-to-back jumpers by sophomore Tucker Bashaw (Williston, VT), including one of his game-high three three-pointers sparked the Hawks back into action. Bashaw finished the game 5-7 from the field for 13 points, while grabbing six rebounds.

Junior Ben Camobreco (Duxbury, MA) also went 5-7 from the field, including 1-2 from behind the arc, to total 11 points along with his game-high six assists.

Gumb helped the Hawks' to their biggest lead in the game with a jumper at the 8:47 mark to put the home team ahead by 18, 70-52.

Sophomore Billy Barrett (Fairfield, CT) notched his seventh game of the season with double digits, as the guard posted 12 points to help the Hawks remain undefeated in the CCC.

The win for the Hawks avenges last year's 58-40 loss

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 07, 2007, 11:01:47 AM
RWU is sooooo much better with a healthy Dan Gumb. He is to RWU what Sully (Mike Sullivan) is to my Gulls. A HORSE!!!! Watch out for the RWU guys, they're tough. They have been right there and now they are ready to step up! The CCCis better for having them strong - but you better show up ready to play them.

The EC - AMC game was enlightening! The AMCATS do not appear to be the doormats everyone makes them out to be. They played hard, lots of intensity. They may not have the athletes, but the system seems to work - the new coach seems to really be getting it done. I was impressed. They (AMC) have probably the worst lit gym in all of D3 College hoops! Maybe they could make some more shots if it wasn't so dark!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 07, 2007, 11:24:23 AM
RWU-Conn Coll:
I am I missing something here? Gumb only 16 minutes? I heard he got in foul trouble early, but to let him end the game without fouling out is a major coaching mistake. Early on Barranger was eating them up and then Conn Coll went to a zone. RWU's perimeter shooting was off. Wouldn't you stack the inside with big bodies? Stone and Gumb have the same body types. Have them commit to either big man. Both can score and Conn Coll couldn't cover both. In their last outing Gumb outscored Stone with a game high 22 points. The only excuse here is that Gumb is still day to day. If not, then this is a coach's loss.



RWU-GC: After the first 7 minutes this one wasn't even close. Gordon was oversized (Barranger 6' 11" and Gumb 6' 6" 240 lbs) and only showed spurts of defensive intensity that they are capable of. Last year RWU had a problem getting off a shot never mind taking a commanding 17 point lead with 1:39 left in the game. GC had their chances with 32 FT attempts verses RWU's only 14 (so much for home court advantage). Unfortunately for the Scots they could only convert 19 of them. RWU killed them on the boards 29 to 39 and just plain out shot GC.

Over all it was a good game to watch if you were a RWU fan and to paraphrase Borak  "not so much the other side".

PS. I did like seeing Marstettlar, Herr and Kaufman. They are all good ballers. Look forward to the rematch. I am sure their coach will have them on fire next time. Looks like there is a lack of starting seniors on either team. I guess we will be talking about these guys for two more years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 07, 2007, 11:54:27 AM
Wentworth went 1-1 during their tournament losing to FDU (by 34) and defeating MCLA by 12 (Blue had 29, Doyle had 23).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 07, 2007, 02:41:38 PM
Roger Williams looked real good, and they made Gordon look bad. It was a big win for the Hawks.

But since I have to put a positive spin on it for my team, it was just one of those days when Gordon shooting stunk and Roger Williams was lights out, shooting especially well from beyond the arc. Gordon looked like they did at Endicott last year, so should the teams play each other in the playoffs, it would be interesting to see how Gordon would respond.

But not to take anything away from Roger Williams... they're a very good team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 10:18:31 AM

James, Gumb hasn't played more than 20 minutes yet this year with the exception of the Gordon game.  The coach seems to be working him in slowly after this huge traumatic injury last year.  That kind of thing can have a big psychological effect on a kid and this coach seems to be ensuring that they'll have a full-strength Dan Gumb next year.  Weekend round-up:

Friday:

WIT got crushed by FDU-Fordham 55-84.  Gaine went for 13 and 11, Bolton had 12 points and 7 turnovers.  The guards were held quiet and the team couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.  Typically overmatched game.

Saturday:

WIT beat an awful MCLA squad 86-74.  Bynes got the start and pulled down 10 boards.  The guards made up for their weak Friday performance with 29 from PB & J and 23 from Doyle.  Bolton chipped in 11 off the bench.  They shot much better, but MCLA is really bad and WIT still played no defense.

ENC 46 Conn Coll 57.  This is probably closer than CC expected; decent performance from ENC.  Christian Corey led ENC with 14 off the bench, most on threes.  Seaberg had 11.  The score was 19-11 (yes, really) at the half, but each team scored more than that in the second half.  Weird game.  Jasmin did nothing and ENC couldn't shoot (with the exception of Corey).  The Crusaders rebounded well and actually could have won this game with a mediocre shooting night.  Scary.

EC big over AMC 70-55.  Check out AMC's boxscore (http://ecgulls.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2006-2007/ecvsannamaria01-06-07atpaxtonma.html); craziest thing ever.  All five starters had 2 points each and some guy named Joshua Wells scored 22 points in 23 minutes off the bench.  Marinkovic didn't play for EC, is there a story there?  Sullivan had 19, Whitelaw had 11 and Corbett had 10.  EC is done if Marinkovic is out.

Curry goes down to UNE somehow 74-73.  This was the craziest weekend ever.  Bowers didn't play for Curry (another CC grade casualty?) which allowed Stickney to run wild for 19 and 13.  Farynaz woke up from his two year nap and scored 17 (thus giving the most disappointing CCC career after a blowout freshman campaign to RWU's Brandon Parrish), Mike Floyd had 11.  For CC Tim Jones led with 23, Prescod had 21, Mastrullo had 13 and Brittian had 11.  Lots of turnovers all around, equal rebounding, nobody could hit FTs.  Somehow UNE pulled it out.  Odd.

CSC pulls out a good win over Salve 69-53.  Goodridge had 15 for Salve; Grandal had 14.  CSC was led by 28 from Szelinga, who slipped into St Clair mode for one game at least.  They also got 10 from Cox.  Everybody on CSC hit the boards hard and they once again miraculously begin to play defense once January rolls around.  I guess CSC is beginning to gel.  We'll see if they can remain the #2 team in the North.

Nichols comes up with another solid win over WNEC 66-61.  WNEC had been on a fast start and this is a good win for the Bison.  They seem to be doing really well despite the loss of Lewis.  Lindgren had 12, Wilcox had 11 and Valle had 10.  They spread the ball around, everybody contributed.  They were vastly outrebounded and they shot horribly from deep, but they made it up with good defense.  Another solid hard-nosed win.  I like what I see here.

NEC took out Johnson State 83-58.  33 from Jaziri, 13 from Tonkovich, 12 from Quinn and 10 and 12 from Sylvia.  They didn't play all that well, but they didn't really have to.  The coach should have upped their non-con schedule difficulty this season.  It's going to be tough for them to keep going back and forth in their level of play.

RWU strikes first with a ten point win over Gordon 77-67.  Gumb saw his first big minutes and led them to a win with 21 and 11, exposing Gordon's interior weakness.  Bashaw had 13, Barrett had 12 and Camobreco had 11.  It seems RWU won in the paint and GC did well on the outside.  Notice which won out.  Martsaller did get 17, but a lot of it was shooting and not post moves.  Kauffman had 13, Logan 12 and Herr got 10 rebounds.  Trigg wasn't able to duplicate his previous performance.  Gordon got to the line, but couldn't nail the FTs.  If they had shot close to their average, it would have been a tight game.  They also could not stop RWU from scoring in the paint and they went back again and again.  GC didn't have the best shooting night, but they will have to work to regain the conference favorite rep after this one.

Sunday

CSC dropped one to Middlebury in New London 85-96.  I don't think CSC would have beaten Salve if they played like this on Saturday.  Although back to back games, you'd rather lose the non-conference one.  Szeliga had 21, Carter and Truncilleto had 12 each, Cousins and Tracy had 11 each and Fouriner got 5 assists.  They had no legs left to play defense and Middlebury ran them over.  This seems to be fatigue mostly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 08, 2007, 03:18:26 PM
Hoops Fan:

First, thanks for highlighting the games the way you do. I enjoy reading them.

As for Gumb's 16 minutes against Conn College, I would agree with you except that in the three previous games leading up to Conn College he played 26 min vs UMass Darthmouth, 22 Minutes vs Curry and 20 minutes vs CSC avg 12 pts 7 rebs. It appeared he was slowly getting more time each progressive game. Maybe the coach saw something in practicew that week that made him rethink the minutes. Better to be safe than sorry.

It was nice to see Bashaw come up big from the arc two games back to back.  They need at least three shooters to win the big ones. I think Bashaw's production was huge in the win over GC.b
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 03:46:12 PM

I also think that Conn Coll was a non-con and there was no need to use up extra minutes in a game that wouldn't ultimately count for much.  It seems like most of CC's points were coming from the perimeter anyway and Gumb wouldn't have helped a whole lot.  Probably a smart move by the coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 04:35:46 PM

The NCAA released stats for through the end of 2006.  So for the non-con season the following are CCC players who made the various lists:

PPG - Chris Vallee, NC - 50th at 20pg

FG% - Luc Jasmin, ENC - 22nd at 64%
        - Mike Sullivan, EC - 28th at 63.2%

3Ptpg - Justin Woodworth, SRU - t44th at 3.0pg

3pt% - Justin Woodworth, SRU - t20th at 48%
         - Mike Herr, GC - 42nd at 44.7%

FT% - Billy Barrett, RWU - t7th at 93.1%
       - Ryan Jaziri, NEC - 30th at 88.2%
       - Nemanja Marinkovic, EC - t38th at 87.5%

Rpg - Isaac Stickney, UNE - 7th at 11.4pg
       - Antoine Sylvia, NEC - t9th at 11.0pg

Apg - Chris Goodridge, SRU - t17th at 6.3pg
       - Steve Belmonte, NEC - 24th at 5.8pg

Bpg - Antoine Sylvia, NEC - 3rd at 3.4pg
       - Toby Brittian, CC - 38th at 1.9pg (17 total)
       - Isaac Stickney, UNE - 39th at 1.9pg (15 total)

Spg - Chris Goodridge, SRU - t16 at 3.3pg

Some team highlights:

NEC - 20th in scoring average at 86.3ppg
       - 4th in blocks at 6.3bpg

RWU - 39th in scoring defense at 62.1ppg
        - 50th in scoring margin at +10.7ppg
        - 47th in FG% offense at 48.8%
        - 35th in FG% defense at 39.6%
        - 42nd in FT% at 73.3%
        -38th in fewest fouls at 16.1fpg

SRU - 8th in FG% offense at 51.7%
       - 3rd in 3pt% at 46.2%
       - 32nd in rebound margin at +7.3rpg
       - t18th in blocks at 4.8bpg

GC - 42nd in FG% offense at 49.0%
     -18th in FT% at 75.8%
     -26th in fewest turnovers at 13.1tpg
     -t26th in fewest fouls at 15.9fpg

AMC - 41st in FG% defense at 40.1%
        - 37th in FT% at 73.9%

CC - 21st in blocks at 4.7bpg

UNE - 48th in FG% defense at 40.4%
       - t43rd in blocks at 4.0bpg
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 08, 2007, 10:35:32 PM
My friends tell me that Marinkovic isn't "out". He didn't play against AMC, but it's not like he's hurt or anything long term. Just the one game - so all should be okay with the Gulls!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 09, 2007, 12:34:45 AM
Where do you find the stats?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2007, 04:43:31 AM
Go to the front page of D3hoops.com and click on the link for NCAA stats.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2007, 09:11:51 AM

Tuesday's Line-up:

WIT @ NEC
UNE @ Bates
NC @ RWU
CC @ SRU
CSC @ GC
ENC @ AMC

Wentworth and NEC battle it out for the right to claim #4 in the North, UNE gets thrown to the lions (or Bobcats as the case may be), Nichols looks to prove Bill Simmons Ewing Theory, Curry and Gordon both seek rebounds from poor performances and ENC gets its first win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 09, 2007, 11:21:39 AM
Gordon hosts Colby Sawyer tonight... Last year, some guy named St. Clair was the bane of the Scots existence. He has since departed, but GC will need to step things up. The team's play of late has seemed dispassionate and apathetic.

In speaking to a number of the players, they understand this and are working hard to reach a potential that is leaps and bounds higher than where they are currently.

News on this evening's game will be forthcoming.

In related news, freshman Aaron Trigg received rookie of the week honors from the CCC. So far, Trigg averages 8.4 points a contest, 2.3 boards a game, and has yet to miss from the free-throw line (5-5).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 09, 2007, 11:53:12 AM
Just a little f.y.i.

Nick Marino is out for the year for Gordon. What I know is he had a blood disease and needs to take the semester off to rest and test medication.

Tim DeLuca isn't playing again tonight. He suffered a conclusion during a practice before the N'Western game. No timetable for his return.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 09, 2007, 12:34:39 PM
I can confirm both of those reports, since I have spoken with both of them.

This takes away another big man who is a solid rebounder and a pretty good defender. I wonder if things would have been different had he been at Roger Williams on Saturday.

The DeLuca loss has also stymied a bit of the offensive swagger Gordon usually has. He moves so well without the ball and adds an untangible dynamic to the court. He might be coming back on Saturday against Salve.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 10, 2007, 12:35:04 AM
Gordon wins by 20...
83-63...

I will post more on the stats tomorrow...
For now, from merely a spectator's perspective, Gordon appeared to show some of the brilliance they've been capable all season...
The apathy was gone and it seemed like they were playing for a reason, rather than expecting to come out on top...

GC still got outrebounded (I think?), but the post defense was actually existent this time around...
Mike Herr, who has been having a down year statistically to this point (although not in his role), found himself hitting some big shots in the second half to extend GC's lead...

Colby-Sawyer kept it relatively close in the first half, but by the second half, they were tired and fouling out...

Again, more on this tomorrow...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 10, 2007, 06:15:08 AM
RWU men's basketball team earned an impressive 82-49 home victory Tuesday night over Nichols College The Hawks registered a season-high 11 three-pointers in the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 10, 2007, 08:57:34 AM
With GC dropping a tough one to RWU on Saturday, they went into this week needing a drastic turnaround in their play, and intensity. Though mostly unattended, last night's game proved that the team decided it was time to step things up.

The offense was significantly more fluid than in games past and it seemed that the passes were crisper too. On the defensive end, they held all but two Colby-Sawyer players to single digits in points and forced some key turnovers.

Going into the half, GC led 40-29. They held CSC to just 27.8 percent shooting in this half and did not allow a single three in the time span. Gordon shot 44.4 percent from the field and made 12-13 free throws in the first half. A far cry from Saturday's inability to shoot free throws at all.

The second half showed CSC trying to come back, but failing to do so against a lights-out GC squad that hit 68.2 percent of its shots. Overall, CSC shot 36.1 percent from the floor for the game, but it wasn't enough to top GC's 55.1 percent overall and 42.9 percent from outside the arc.

Mike Herr showed up for this game in a big way. In the first few games, his stats were virtually nonexistent and it allowed teams to focus on defending other threats. All last night, CSC did its best to defend Marstaller, Trigg and Kaufman, but these guys kept finding Herr in open situations. He shot 11-16 from the floor, 4-7 from three, for a total of 26 points and 5 rebounds. He led all scorers.

Marstaller had 14, Schnackenberg 13, Jerry Logan 12, and Kaufman 10. Aaron Trigg, last week's CCC Rookie of the Week had no points in 22 minutes of play. It was obvious that CSC followed its scouting report and tried to stop Marstaller and Trigg who had been playing well of late. Herr and Schnackenberg stepped in, and, well, Marstaller did his thing anyway.

Defensively, GC played pretty well. The team held the three starting guards for CSC to 5-20 from the floor and just 11 points. Again, CSC knew the scouting report would say to try to play the post game against Gordon. They did just that and got 34 points from their two starting big men, Ryan Murray and Duncan Szeliga. Still, Marstaller had 3 solid blocks and Herr and Schnack each added one as well. Gordon's post defense, while still not nearly what it needs to be, fouled less, and went for the ball a lot more. It's improving with each game and will soon be where it should.

Watching CSC, it appears that minus Nate Truncellito, it is largely a young squad. I am a Duncan Szeliga fan, after last night. He's only a sophomore, but played his game with poise and class. His post moves are decent for a young starting forward and they will only get better. He's not an Andrew St. Clair by any means, but he'll do well enough to fill that role for the next two and a half years.

For now, Gordon moves to 8-3 (3-1) and CSC to 3-8 (2-2). Gordon will host New England College on Thursday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 09:36:31 AM

WIT 67 NEC 66.  Wentworth held the hot scorers from Henniker at bay and pulled out a huge win for playoff implications.  Kevin Wentworth from Wentworth hit a three at the buzzer for the win.  I can't believe we're not hearing more about the kid named after the school playing well this year.  Neither team could hit anything, resulting in a whopping 96 rebounds.  Ed Bolton got 15 of them to go along with 6 assists for WIT.  Brian Gaine had 22 and 13, PBJ had 17 points and Bynes had 10.  Doyle got 4 assists.  For NEC, Quinn had 17 points, Evans had 16 and "Big Shot" Jaziri only 10 on 3-9 shooting.  Sylvia had 15 boards.  Both teams shot like crap, but the numbers were pretty even.  Wentworth's ten extra FTs probably helped them stay in the game.  Ironically, Ed Bolton fouled out with 11 seconds to play or else Wentworth may not even have been in the game to take the last shot.

UNE gets crushed by #12 Bates 46-90.  Give the Nor'easters credit for not getting doubled up.  Mercifully neither team has posted a box score.  UNE was outrebounded 42-19 and no-name Eric Field led with 16 points; Farynaz had 11.  Bates got a lot of good minutes out of their bench, which was still too good for UNE.

RWU 82 NC 49.  The lack of Lewis finally catches up with Nichols as they play a determined Roger Williams team.  No box score here either, but we probably don't need one to know what happened.  Camobreco had 17, Wooley had 11 and Barranger 10.  Bashaw had 10 rebounds.  Lindgren led Nichols with 12 points.  Not a good night for Nichols and RWU apparently set a bunch of team and season records with their shooting and first half scoring.  The website also brags that some guy from the end of their bench got his first bucket ever.

But Nichols still has a good shot at a playoff spot because ENC can't even beat Anna Maria, going down 55-59 in OT.  This is rediculous, ENC plays with Connecticut College on Saturday and can't even knock out AMC last night.  Who knows what's going on over there.  No box score here either, although I'll be interested to see what it looks like.

Salve pulls one out against Curry 72-69.  No Bowers again for Curry.  He must have gotten fed up with yet another school (I think this makes three for him).  Tim Jones led the way with 26, Prescod had 11 and Mastrullo had 10.  Salve played pretty poorly and still managed to win.  Grendal had 14 and 15 while Goodridge put in 17 points, with 6 assists.  Salve hit 1 of 12 three pointers while Curry shot less than 50% from the FT line.  Neither team wanted to win this one.  Curry obviously has no inside presence anymore and it seems teams can win simply by pounding the ball inside.

Gordon 83, CSC 63.  CSC showed some solid defense reminicient of years gone by in their win over Salve.  That was nowhere to be found last night.  GC shot 55% from the floor and 43% from the arc as they rebounded to play really well for the first time all season.  Until last night's performance I would have said that this GC team had yet to play the kind of ball they played consistently last year.  Maybe they are beginning to get back into the swing of things.  Szeliga had 15 for CSC, Ryan Murray showed up big with 19 and 12.  It seems that while GC still can't defend the post, they more than made up for it with shooting and overall team play.  Herr led the way with 26, Marstaller had 14, Schnakcenberg had 13, Logan had 12 points and 5 assists and Kauffman had 10 with 6 assists.  If Gordon wants to step up, they will have to figure out how to slow down the opposing team's big men, but for now it appears that they can handle the CCC North without too much trouble.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 09:37:00 AM

No games tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 10, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
I know it's a little early, but I was wondering if there has been any calculation of the QOWI numbers for the CCC teams. It'd be interesting to see how RWU's win over Salem State, etc. have affected things.

Just curious, but I thought maybe Hoops Fan might have the resources available to provide us less-privileged with some pertinent info.  :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 02:34:13 PM
It's a good win, especially if Salem continues to win, however it is the loss to MA-Dartmouth that is going to hurt them in the long-run.

It's probably meaningless, however, because I don't think any CCC team will be a Pool C contender this year.  A team will have to win the tournament to get in.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 10, 2007, 02:40:26 PM
This is true. I was still curious about comparing the numbers.

Also, we didn't think that anybody would be a Pool C contender and Gordon, although unexpectedly for sure, got an at-large bid. Still, I would agree that I don't think anyone is going to run the table for the rest of the season. That is the only way I can foresee it happening again.

But again, is there anyway to find the numbers?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 03:17:52 PM

With the losses on the schedule and the overall records of the other CCC schools, I don't think that even if RWU or Gordon won out they'd be legitimate Pool C candidates.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 10, 2007, 03:25:27 PM
Fair enough.
Again, I was just curious.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 03:45:27 PM

I just got a look at the Bates-UNE box score.  Bates had their third (yes, players 11-15) team in for ten minutes during the game.  UNE couldn't hang with the third team from Bates.  Ouch.

I also got to see the ENC-AMC box score.  ENC got 12 rebounds from JP Marcellus and 18 points from Seaberg and 11 from Corey.  Apparently aliens have stolen Luc Jasmin's basketball ability, no word if Michael Jordan is planning to team with the Looney Tunes in a desperate attempt to win it back.  Daiginaeult had 14 for AMC and was the only player in double figures.  82 rebounds in this one, but not quite as much as the WIT-NEC game.  ENC had 48 of them, but couldn't turn an extra 15 shot attempts into any more points.  ENC also went 6-13 from the line.  One extra FT would have kept them out of OT.  Poor execution.  They better hope they can shoot a little better on the return trip because AMC may be the only team they can beat this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 10, 2007, 07:54:04 PM
Question:

Did anyone ever find out what happened to Lewis at NC?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2007, 09:43:25 AM

There's only so many possibilities.  I don't know for sure, but here are my odds:


Season ending injury that would force him to leave school: 874 to 1

Kicked off the team for conduct detrimental: 419 to 1

Can't afford tuition: 183 to 1

Academically Ineligible:  15 to 1

Transfered to a scholarship school: 4 to 1
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 11, 2007, 10:02:25 AM
No offense to the iconic Hoops Fan or Mr. Lewis but there is little need for a 6'3 post player on the scholarship level.

That being said, my Nicholls sources tell me the closest to true is the 419 to 1 option of conduct. What I'm hearing is a philosophy gap between the player and the coach that finally boiled over.

Be interesting to see if he ends up anywhere. Very tough player and if you recall at the beginning of the year I thought him and Kauffman were the odds on favorites for POTY.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2007, 10:11:23 AM
I forgot about the ever popular "left the team for personal reasons" which I wouldn't have put very good odds on, although they would have been better than 419 to 1.


I love it when the personal reasons are "I hate my coach."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2007, 10:12:36 AM

Tonight:


AMC at Worcester State
EC hosts Bridgewater
NEC @ GC
CC @ NC
RWU @ ENC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 11, 2007, 11:22:40 AM
It'll be interesting to see how NEC rebounds from a tough loss.  Although it could be another tough game espescially with Gordon starting to hit stride.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 11, 2007, 11:30:19 AM
Previewing the EC/BSC game tonight...

Endicott takes on Bridgewater State at home. BSC is outscoring their opponents 74.4 to 69 during their 7-3  (1-0) season. Four of their starters score 83 percent of their points, one of them almost averaging 20 points a game. They grab 38 boards a game, but perhaps the most staggering stat of them all. They have 202 turnovers in 10 games. Yes, that's right, 20 turnovers a game. They also only shoot 65% percent from the FT stripe. Perhaps if the Gulls can play tough, physical D, it might benefit them down the stretch in this one. They aren't particularly a tall team, either. The tallest of their top four is a 6-5 sophomore.

Endicott, although streaky this year, has a solid chance of winning this one. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mattapn02126 on January 11, 2007, 07:07:42 PM
BSC dominates the glass and paint. I'm goin Bridgewater 72 Endicott 61. One time!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mattapn02126 on January 11, 2007, 09:39:54 PM
BSC does outrebound Endicott, but they fall in Beverly 74-72 nonetheless. Nice win for EC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 11, 2007, 10:39:59 PM
This may have been a game that Endicott won because of those tougher non-conference games. They seemed to reach down and figure a way to win, rather than give it away. Lots of people were big. Outside shooting - Stewart and Corbett, man defense, Marinkovic was back. Hopefully, this is the gull team that will be around for a while!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 12, 2007, 12:13:11 AM
Gordon downs NEC by 26...

They were totally in control of the entire game...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 12, 2007, 07:58:03 AM
I should hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 12, 2007, 09:13:55 AM
Still no update on the RWU web page but the guys said that they won the game with a spread close to 40 points
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 12, 2007, 09:26:56 AM
find the box score at enc.edu.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 12, 2007, 09:48:11 AM
RWU-ENC 84-47. only a 16 poit first half for ENC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2007, 09:55:32 AM
AMC comes close, but goes down to Worcester State 60-65.  AMC got 12 points each from Nunnally, Daigineault and McDonald.  Porcaro had 8 assists.  Adam Richards had 10 points.    AMC seems to be settling down a bit.  They spread the ball around and hit the boards hard.  22 turnovers caused some problems and their shooting was a little off, but they were in this game despite the mistakes.  That's got to be seen as improvement for this squad.

EC by two over Bridgewater 74-72.  Good win for the powergulls, but I wouldn't say this was one of their toughest non-con games, although it was one of the tougher games that they actually had a chance to win.  It says a lot about the squad to pull out a close one.  Marinkovic came off the bench in this one (any word yet on exactly what's up with him?) for 14 and 10.  Ross Stewart had 19 with 4 assists, Burton showed up with 6 assists to 1 turnover and Corbett put in 11 points.  EC played together and well.  They still had 19 turnovers, but their guards handled the ball better and the team shot extraordinarily well.  Good win for them.

GC 86 NEC 60.  Gordon shut down the high scoring Pilgrims with their typical solid perimeter defense.  NEC shot 1-10 from three while GC compiled 8 blocks and 7 steals.  Sylvia was totally shut down, sending good signs that GC can play defense on bigger post players.  Quinn had 16 points for NEC, Evans, Jaziri and Faragher each had 10.  GC was led by 19 from Schnack off the bench; he's really been contributing a lot this semester.  Logan had 18 and Marstaller had 13, but the starters got a lot of rest in this one.  I doubt the game was even as close as the score.  NEC just couldn't hit their shots and the coach emptied the bench to try and get something going, to no avail.

CC 74, NC 71.  Curry gets a much needed win and Nichols continues its slide.  Bowers showed up again and contributed 22 solid minutes off the bench.  They'll need him if they want to do anything this spring.  Robbins had 18, Jones had 17 and Brittian hd 11 with 4 assists.  CC showed a little more life in this one, but still lack solid post play.  Powers had 12 and 12 and Vallee went 13 and 12 with 5 assists for NC.  The young guys Lindgren and Wilcox had 17 and 12 respectively off the bench.  Nichols had a big lead in the first half, but couldn't hold on.  They shot the three ball well, but couldn't hit from the floor.

RWU 84 ENC 47.  Roger Williams continues to roll as ENC continues to tank.  I'm not sure you could have found two more opposite squads last night.  Both teams emptied their benches as this one was never close.  ENC actually shot pretty well from three in the second half once the game was already out of reach.  The much taller RWU players totally kept Jasmin from doing anything.  I'm really wondering what's happened to him of late?  Does he have mono or something?  Seaberg scored 14 for ENC and Jean-Noel put in 10.  This was an ugly, ugly game.  So ugly in fact that perennial disappointment Brandon Parrish was able to lead the team in scoring with 12 points.  Wooley also had 12 off the bench.  Billy Barrent and Gumb each had 11 off the bench and Bashaw had 10.  This one was so bad, I wish I was there to see it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2007, 09:58:24 AM

Tomorrow's games:

CSC @ NC
GC @ SRU
UNE @ WIT
ENC @ NEC
RWU @ AMC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 12, 2007, 10:09:32 AM
This will be the RWU test

1/18/2007 @ 08:00PM  HOME vs CURRY COLLEGE*   
   
1/20/2007 @ 03:00PM  Away at University of New England*   
   
1/25/2007 @ 08:00PM  Away at Salve Regina*   
   
1/27/2007 @ 03:00PM  Away at New England College*   
   
1/30/2007 @ 08:00PM  HOME vs SALVE REGINA UNIVERSITY*   
   
2/3/2007 @ 03:00PM  HOME vs ENDICOTT COLLEGE*   
   
2/6/2007 @ 07:30PM  Away at Wentworth Institute of Technology 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 12, 2007, 10:59:14 AM
Just a quick clarification on things in the GC v. NEC game...

At halftime, the lead was 16. Coach Schauer rested the starters early in the second half and the NEC coach did the same. Hoops, you were correct. The game wasn't even as close as the final score shows.

Of note is the increased play of Tim Macdonnel who at the beginning of the year sat near the end of the bench. Over the past 3 games, his minutes have significantly gone up and his play has matched that of those on the floor. He drew several key charge fouls last night and defends pretty well. From what I understand, his playing time is, along with reqarding him for good play, a challenge to both Ben Gaskill and Jeff Derr to step up as young big men in the paint.

Anyway, just some thoughts...

It's time to see if Gordon's higher level of play, as of late, can translate into big wins away from Wenham...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 13, 2007, 09:24:24 PM
As far as Marinkovic for EC - I heard that it's no big thing. He wasn't on campus for a while because of an internship. No mystery or dark messages being sent. Most everybody does their internships during the break (that's why we aren't there for games in earlyJan.), but the sports teams have to do them during other times because of schedules. Senior year it's a whole semester gig.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 14, 2007, 12:18:02 AM
Gordon wins by 17...
Any time you can hold a solid opposing team at their home place to 51 points, that's a pretty good start...
Kaufman had 14, leading GC...

Gordon allowed Grendel to score 22, and Goodridge had 12...
They only allowed 4 other players to score, holding all 4 to a total of 17 points...

The motion offense is working, passes are crisper...
Gordon was plagued by free-throws in the first half, though...
Fortunately, they responded by scoring 42 points in the second half, just 9 short of what Salve put up for the entire game...

GC has a break until Thursday, when they face a 5-6 Wentworth...
The game is a 'home' game for WIT, but it's being played at Curry...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 14, 2007, 11:14:55 AM
Wentworth continues to defeat the teams they're expected to by beating UNE 72-66.  UNE was led by Nick Farynaz with 23, however Doyle matched it with his own 23.  The size of UNE wasn't much of a factor as Wentworth out-rebounded the Nor'Easters.  Wentworth plays Nichols at Eastern Naz, they still have no gym, and UNE faces Endicott on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: heythere on January 14, 2007, 01:25:52 PM
wentworth can take the next two games, any word on whats goin on with the gym. what do they do for practice everyday
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 14, 2007, 03:08:41 PM
The new floor in Wentworth's gym will be finished by the last week in January (was supposed to have been the beginning of January, but there was an unforeseen delay).  Both the men's and women's teams have used various practice sites such as a community center across the street from campus, Emmanuel College, Northeastern University, and Boston Latin and have played "home" games at Suffolk, Northeastern, Eastern Nazarene, and Curry (as well as swapping home dates with Colby-Sawyer).  The student-athletes and coaches on both teams (as well as the women's volleyball team, which did not have the gym for its entire season) deserve a lot of credit for having to deal with an adverse situation and making the best of it.  It hasn't been fun for anyone within the department, but the players and coaches have gone above and beyond what has been asked of them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 14, 2007, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: heythere on January 14, 2007, 01:25:52 PM
wentworth can take the next two games, any word on whats goin on with the gym. what do they do for practice everyday

Just curious, but did you realize that Wentworth plays Nichols and then Gordon?  I believe that WIT can defeat Nichols, but the Gordon game will take a lot.  Certainly not putting it has Wentworth, espescially with the return of Bynes, who dropped 25 points in the two teams final meeting last season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 15, 2007, 12:06:29 PM
RWU over Anna Maria 89-49.

Camebreco scored 14, Gumb scored 12 (in only 13 minutes) and Barranger with 7 rebounds.  Six Hawks scored in double figures.

It looks like Wooley and Bashaw are trading hot hands off the bench. This game went to Wooley 4-6 and 2-4 from downtown. Nice weapons to have if you are a coach. If one is not hot pull the other trigger. Gumb also seems to be finding his stroke from the arc. After a dismal start from long range he is now5-8 in his last three outings.

Barrett and Loughan are giving solid performances while probably distreibuting the ball more in these last few easy games. Parrish still struggles and I am not sure why he is starting other than he is a senior, plays decent defense.
So far the stats don't bear out that he is a starter. I thought we would see more of the twin towers Barranger/Gumb on the floor at the same time. How many opponents have the players to cover both at the same time? Tully and his staff are smart coaches so I am sure they have their reasons.

The test is yet to come with Curry, UNE,Salve twice, Endicott and WIT all in one week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2007, 12:50:59 PM

CSC barely gets by Nichols 80-77.  Rosso had 22 for CSC, Szeliga had 20, Ryan Murray went for 10 and 18 along with 4 assists.  Bryan Riley had 5 assists for Nichols, Wilcox had 22 and 10, Vallee had 15 points, Santoro had 11 and Powers for 10 rebounds.  It seems improved PG play helped Nichols stick close.  It also doesn't hurt that CSC still isn't playing any defense.  Lots of TOs from Nichols and a big rebounding advantage for CSC.  Nichols only kept it close by getting to the line a lot.

GC over Salve 68-51.  Good win for Gordon.  This is an impressive score, getting them back on track a bit.  Grendal was able to have his way inside with 22 and 15, but GC dominated the perimeter.  Goodridge had 12 points.  Gordon got 14 and 5 assists from Kauffman, 13 from Logan, 12 from Marstaller and 10 from Herr.  It seems like Salve just threw the ball inside and didn't stop even when the plan was obviously not working.

WIT over UNE 72-66.  Farynaz had 23, Stickney went for 13 and 11 and Belmonte had 11 assists.  It looks like we have a burgeoning PG up in Biddeford.  Doyle had 23 for WIT, PBJ had 17 and Bynes had 14.  UNE shot a ridiculous amount of threes as they always do and fell just short.  This looks like it was a pretty entertaining game.

ENC goes down to NEC 82-91.  This was closer than I expected.  Jasmin showed up with 14 points for ENC, which was what probably kept them close.  Seaberg had 16 and Corey had 14.  NEC was led by 30 from Jaziri and 29 from Quinn (lots of FTs in those numbers).  They also got 12 points from EVans and 12 rebounds from Sylvia.  NEC went 29-36 from the line to ENC's 9-14.  NEC shot better, but the FTs made the difference.  Three foul outs for ENC.  It looks like they're really susceptible to the drive and dish (not like we needed new ways to beat them, but whatever).

Roger Williams kills Anna Maria 89-49.  Lots of bench play for both squads.  No one on either team played more than 22 minutes.  AMC got 12 from Nunnally and 11 from Daigineault.  RWU had 14 from Camobreco, 12 from Gumb, 11 each from Laughton, Barranger and Wooley and 10 from Billy Barrett.  Both teams played sloppy, but RWU was dead on shooting from all over the floor and just dominated.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2007, 12:51:57 PM

Tonight:

RWU hosts Wesleyan
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 15, 2007, 01:15:21 PM
I don't know much about Weslyan. What is the expected outcome of tonight's RWU - Weslyan game?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2007, 01:28:14 PM

I'd expect RWU to beat anyone right now, the way they are playing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 15, 2007, 09:20:34 PM
RWU defeats Wesleyan 73-62.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2007, 09:46:06 AM

Wesleyan hasn't been playing all that well of late, but a non-con win is a non-con win.  The good sign is that the game was never close.  RWU was up 8 at the half and extended it well into double digits before bringing in the bench to finish it off.  They hit the boards very well and 26-32 from the FT line didn't hurt either.  RWU was led by 16 from Cambreco who is really coming into his own, support I'm not sure they were counting on at the beginning of the season.  12 points from Barranger and 11 each from Woolley and Gumb.  If they can get to the point at the end of February where Gumb is playing big minutes and allowing Barranger to match-up against the smaller opposing forward, I think they'll have a very tough team to beat.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2007, 09:47:26 AM

Tonight:

ENC goes to Newbury for their second to last chance to win a game
AMC at CSC
NC @ WIT
EC @ UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 16, 2007, 11:13:53 AM
Wentworth has won the games they're supposed to, now lets see if they're able to beat a tough Nichols team.  Even though they lost Justin Lewis, they still play their opponents tough.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2007, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: backboard on January 16, 2007, 11:13:53 AM
Wentworth has won the games they're supposed to, now lets see if they're able to beat a tough Nichols team.  Even though they lost Justin Lewis, they still play their opponents tough.

Correction: they were playing their opponents tough.  NC seems to have rolled over in the last two contests.  I'd say tonight will be a big indication as to how the rest of the season will unfold for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 16, 2007, 01:27:27 PM
I figured that they had only lost by three to Curry and Colby-Sawyer, doesn't seem like they're rolling over just yet.  Certainly the Roger Williams game shows all indication of giving up, regardless of not winning, they're not throwing in the towel.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru2 on January 16, 2007, 02:11:29 PM
If ENC doesnt win any games this year, do they get the first pick in the draft or anything?  I need something to look forward to!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 16, 2007, 02:26:38 PM
I hear O.J. Mayo rescinded his commitment to USC and has looked into ENC. Since his decision, numerous other top flight recruits have pegged the CCC as a 'conference on the upswing.' We'll have to see how all of this affects next year.

In other news...

Now comes the fun part of the season. The oil and the vinegar have separated and teams are now defining their seasons. Roger Williams has clearly labeled itself as the class of the CCC South and Gordon in the CCC North. All indications right now, though still early, are pointing toward a rematch in the tourney.

It doesn't get better than this.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2007, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: the_cru2 on January 16, 2007, 02:11:29 PM
If ENC doesnt win any games this year, do they get the first pick in the draft or anything?  I need something to look forward to!

Maybe they can use you.  You up for a couple grad classes?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on January 16, 2007, 09:02:12 PM
ENC blew a 17 point half time to lose at Newbury 58-53
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 17, 2007, 08:32:06 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 16, 2007, 09:46:06 AM

  RWU was led by 16 from Cambreco who is really coming into his own, support I'm not sure they were counting on at the beginning of the season.  12 points from Barranger and 11 each from Woolley and Gumb.  If they can get to the point at the end of February where Gumb is playing big minutes and allowing Barranger to match-up against the smaller opposing forward, I think they'll have a very tough team to beat.

It is great to see the recruiting class of Camabreco, Baranger and Gumb doing so well.

As for getting Gumb some major minutes, he is only averaging 1 minute less than Baranger 19 min. vs 20 min. Both are playing about as equal as you can get. After 13 games 8 rebounds  seperate them, with Baranger leading and the year to date point totals are 25 points in Gumb's favor and that is accounted for the fact that Gumb has 10 tres to Baranger's  none and Gumb has the edge at the line. 

Playing time is always an issue with teams that are deep. RWU has a legit 8 staters. The coaching challenge is to keep 8 egos in check by keeping their eyes on the bigger prize the Championship. As long as they have a TEAM goal and playing time for these 8 is within 4 minutes of eachother then the coach has done his job. Keep in mind the the so called bench is responsible for 40% of the RWU production of late. I think you would be hard pressed to find another team with that stat.

So I wouldn't look or even think it is possible for Gumb or Baranger to get big minutes as long as these 8 keep playing the way they have been and the coaches starting line up remains the same. 

Billy Barrett has quieted down compared to his first 6 or 7 starts. I would look for him to have a big game Thursday against Curry and how about that Wooley! It was just a couple of games ago he was shooting below 20% from the ARC and now he is over 30% and continues to have the hot hand.

Good to be Tully!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2007, 09:21:40 AM
ENC is trying really hard to get their new coach fired, dropping a huge halftime lead to lose to Newbury (Yes, Newbury!) Of course, they haven't yet loaded the box score, but I'm sure we'll all be interested in that one.

CSC 75 AMC 43.  Maybe Anna Maria is bad enough to lose to ENC on Thursday?  Neither team's starters played that much in this one.  I guess the AMC coach knows his team can't win and just wants to get everyone in the game.  Admirable, in it's own way.  AMC had no players in double figures, had only 4 assists as a team, shot 1-11 from three and had less than half as many rebounds as CSC (24-51).  CSC played sloppy (19 turnovers), but no one seemed to notice or care.  Szeliga had 15, Rosso and cousins both had 12 off the bench and Trunciletto had 10.  Ryan Murray had 13 rebounds.  CSC shot poorly from the line and the arc, but again, it didn't really matter.

WIT kills Nichols 79-64 and they played at ENC, so hopefully the ENC students got a chance to see the home team win on their floor once this year.  Wentworth is looking serious right now and Nichols really seems to be phoning it in (you know what that means? we could potentially see a three win Anna Maria squad in the conference tournament).  Nichols got 15 a piece from Paquin and Vallee and 13 from Wilcox.  They didn't rebound well and shot only about 30%.  WIT, on the other hand was shooting near 50% on both 3pters and FGs.  Doyle continues his scoring push with 26.  PBJ had 23 with 5 assists, Bynes had 11 points.  Brian Gaine had 11 rebounds and 5 assists and Bolton had 9 assists.  It seems WIT has tweaked its line-up at just the right time.  Bolton comes in to give veteran leadership at the point, moving Doyle to the off-guard where he is excelling.  They leave PBJ in as an undersized 3/extra guard and play their only two post players down low.  You have to admit, there is something to keeping your five best players on the floor, no matter what positions they play.

EC barely survives their trip to Biddeford 58-51.  This could have been an embarrassing loss.  After that performance you have to wonder if this team is good enough to finish ahead of Wentworth.  Marinkovic returns to the starting line-up and not a moment too soon.  EC needed every one of his 18 and 11.  Burton and Burgos had 12 a piece and Sullivan put in 11.  For UNE, Farynaz had 16.  It's an interesting ploy to put in good freshman season and then wait until the second semester of your senior year to start playing well again.  I love it!  An EC rebounding edge combined with a bad night for freshman PG Belmonte (8 turnovers) and UNE's poor shooting from deep (4-16) led to this result.

No games tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on January 17, 2007, 12:35:49 PM
Well i wouldnt make it sound that losing to Newbury is bad they are 6-6 and only lost to colby sawyer by 4 points this year. 

box score for the newbury/enc game

Official Basketball Box Score -- GAME TOTALS -- FINAL STATISTICS

Eastern Nazarene College vs Newbury College

1 16 07 7:00 at Chestnut Hill, MA

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VISITORS: Eastern Nazarene College 0-13

                          TOT-FG  3-PT         REBOUNDS

## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN

01 Luc Jasmin.......... *  7-12   0-0    1-4    1  2  3   6  15  0  2  0  0  24

15 Ricardo Jean-Noel... *  6-11   0-3    0-0    3  3  6   0  12  2  2  0  2  20

24 Andrew Brown........ *  3-5    0-1    0-0    1  1  2   2   6  2  3  0  0  30

31 Dave Duda........... *  2-6    0-1    0-0    4  6 10   3   4  1  1  0  2  30

33 Ryan Seaberg........ *  0-6    0-1    0-0    0  3  3   0   0  0  1  0  0  32

04 Christian Corey.....    2-8    1-6    0-0    0  2  2   0   5  0  1  0  1  10

12 Alex Carr...........    0-0    0-0    2-2    0  3  3   3   2  1  1  0  0  13

22 Jon Ruiru...........    1-3    0-0    0-0    0  2  2   2   2  4  1  0  1  12

23 Jean-Paul Marcellus.    2-5    0-0    1-1    2  2  4   0   5  1  3  0  0   8

32 Colby DaSilva.......    0-0    0-0    0-0    0  0  0   0   0  0  0  0  1   1

50 Dan Shaw............    1-9    0-0    0-0    5  3  8   0   2  1  0  0  0  20

   TEAM................                         2     2

   Totals..............   24-65   1-12   4-7   18 27 45  16  53 12 15  0  7 200



TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 18-39 46.2%   2nd Half:  6-26 23.1%   Game: 36.9%  DEADB

3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  1-4  25.0%   2nd Half:  0-8   0.0%   Game:  8.3%   REBS

F Throw % 1st Half:  0-0   0.0%   2nd Half:  4-7  57.1%   Game: 57.1%    1



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HOME TEAM: Newbury College 6-6

                          TOT-FG  3-PT         REBOUNDS

## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN

22 Kevin Cleveland..... *  2-9    0-1    1-2    4  9 13   2   5  3  1  3  0  34

32 Steven Morris....... *  3-12   2-5    2-2    0  3  3   0  10  5  7  0  3  40

33 Arch Mitchell....... *  4-9    2-3    2-2    0  3  3   0  12  2  3  1  1  37

4  Ivan DaSilva........ *  2-4    1-1    0-2    1  1  2   3   5  1  3  0  4  26

43 Maverick Magloire... *  1-3    0-1    0-1    0  1  1   0   2  0  2  0  2  10

15 Troy Johnson........    1-1    0-0    0-0    0  1  1   0   2  0  0  0  0   6

41 Michael Foley.......    0-0    0-0    2-2    0  1  1   1   2  0  0  0  0   7

52 Heman Honore........    7-12   0-0    4-5    1  4  5   3  18  1  2  3  0  33

53 Paul Beckford.......    1-2    0-0    0-0    1  0  1   0   2  0  0  0  0   7

   TEAM................                         1  2  3

   Totals..............   21-52   5-11  11-16   8 25 33   9  58 12 18  7 10 200



TOTAL FG% 1st Half:  8-24 33.3%   2nd Half: 13-28 46.4%   Game: 40.4%  DEADB

3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  1-5  20.0%   2nd Half:  4-6  66.7%   Game: 45.5%   REBS

F Throw % 1st Half:  3-4  75.0%   2nd Half:  8-12 66.7%   Game: 68.8%    1



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Officials:

Technical fouls: Eastern Nazarene College-None. Newbury College-None.

Attendance: 71

Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total

Eastern Nazarene College......   37   16  -   53

Newbury College...............   20   38  -   58
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2007, 01:13:34 PM

It's still embarrassing to blow a 17 point lead when the other team only had 20 points at the half.  It seems as if ENC played just ridiculously bad in the second half and somehow Luc Jasmin was able to commit six fouls.  ENC got plenty of rebounds and not too many turnovers, but they didn't get to the foul line and they didn't hit any threes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2007, 09:15:59 AM
Tonight:

GC vs WIT @ Curry
UNE @ NEC
CC @ RWU
AMC @ ENC


And in case it seems like Endicott hasn't played too many games lately, you're right.  Starting Saturday they finish out the year without an off day.  They play every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday right through February and every game is a conference game.  I hope they've been running a lot of sprints.  That's going to be a tough stretch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 18, 2007, 03:31:39 PM
 I know the Gulls wouls rather be beating teams by 30 - but so far they're only beating the teams they have to by enough. Saturday's Colby-Sawyer and Tuesday's Gordon games will tell if they can turn up the heat.
They play tough for stretches and then they go into the turnover streaks. I hope by the time we get back to campus they are on a roll and get their stuff in line for the run at a 4-peat in the Conference tournament. I know it's a stretch, but after last year's run, one can hope right!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on January 18, 2007, 09:50:22 PM
Curry beat RWU 69-67 at the buzzer
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 18, 2007, 10:41:43 PM
WIT beats Gordon 76-63
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2007, 09:59:48 AM

Ok, so bizarro night is over.  Here's what's left of the wreckage:

ENC blew their last chance to win a game this year, falling to Anna Maria at home 62-66.  There's no box score yet, but I guarantee it wasn't pretty.

Just down the road at Curry, Wentworth continued their newfound hot streak and downed Gordon 76-63.  Big time smack down, although I can't imagine the Curry gym is an easy place for GC to play.  WIT stuck with their new line-up and continued in team basketball and pounded the ball inside, once again exploiting the GC weakness.  Gaine had 17 with 4 assists and although Bynes didn't put up huge numbers, they held Marstaller to just 12 points and totally out rebounded the Scots.  PBJ had 22 for WIT and Doyle had 14.  GC was led by 23 from Logan, 12 from Herr and 10 from Bajema along with 5 assists.  Both teams got to the FT line and both hit their shots.  Rebounding was 35-22 in favor for Wentworth.  GC only shot 30% from three and took a lot of them, while Wentworth went 3-6 from deep and pounded the ball inside.  Gordon played ok in the first half, but tried to make up the difference by lanching threes in the second half and couldn't pull it out.  Big win for WIT, they now have wins over three teams in the North.

Somehow Curry managed to go into Rhode Island and beat a streaking RWU 69-67.  RWU must have been lulled into a stupor with all of those under-talented teams they've been playing recently.  No box score for this one either.  Odd.  Curry always has a box score up really fast.

In the last game NEC predictably beat UNE 80-65.  Stickney went for 16 and 12, Farynaz had 11 and Floyd had 15 in the loss.  NEC was led by 24 from Jaziri, 18 from Evans, 16 from Quinn with 5 assists and 12 and 16 from Sylvia.  UNE got considerably more shots that NEC, but couldn't put them in.  There was also an 18-9 FT advantage for NEC.  The only predictable game last night was quite drab.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2007, 10:03:13 AM

Tomorrow's line-up:

AMC vs WIT @ Northeastern (the closest thing they've had to a home game all year)
NC @ SRU
RWU @ UNE
EC @ CSC
ENC @ GC
NEC hosts Newbury

I can't imagine what that ENC-GC game will be like.  Will ENC's usually well travelled fan base forget to show up this year?  ENC can't win a game and GC's just been embarassed.  This one could get ugly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 19, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
I don't think you could call Gordon's loss an embarassment.  They were just out-hustled and beaten.  Wentworth is no joke, it wasn't like UNE beating Gordon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 19, 2007, 12:03:24 PM
Well last night was my first time watching the Scots in action for about a month an a half.   As for the game and Hoops take.  The game was pretty even in the first half.  In the second half Wentworth pulled out to a little bit of a lead and then Gordon came back but WIT lead remained between 2-4 points.  With about 3-4 minuets left the refs took over the game and Gordon had no chance.  I know this sound like sour grapes but PBJ was fouled coming of a screen before the even had possession of the ball and some how the reff made an and 1 call that should have been a foul on the floor.  The basket put WIT up 5 or 6.  Then Schauer was talking to the reff, upset but well under control and the reff gave him a T.  So PBJ hit both technical shots and then hit his foul shot from the and 1.  Gordon was down 8 or 9 at this point and it was in effect over.  Gordon then started putting up shots and they seemed to not be dialed in to in the gym to say the least.  My observation is WIT is good and might be a spoiler in the tournament but they still lack something I am not sure what.  Gordon look at least in my opinion to lack to energy on offense and when running a motion offense that is tough.  Deluca is still out and had he been there last night as a spark off the bench it would have been a different game.  Same thing goes for Marino.  Once Gordon gets Deluca back that will help their rotation, he is just so quick and gifted offensively.  Gordon is going to need to win out and have RWU lose twice more to ensure playing at home for the entire playoffs, which would be nice.   Look for a train wreck this weekend in Wenham when ENC comes to town.  Should be a packed house, as it is a good rivalry and Saturday is the "opening" of the Gordon sports hall of fame so should be a good amount alumni in town.

Also does anyone know anything about Bartelle?  He was running the music last night at Curry and was shooting around during half time.  Whats his deal?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 19, 2007, 12:17:04 PM
Let the Gordon crying begin. The foul totals look pretty even, and Doyle fouls out for Wentworth.

Face it, your Scots took a team lightly and got beat. They are a good team but not the crowned champs everyone thought before the season.

Wentworth is a team on the rise with only one senior if I was the rest of the CCC I'd be a little wary of the Tech Squad. I still think they are a ways away from being elite obviously.

Great win for Curry on the road. The other annointed champ goes down and I'm sure we'll hear whining from Rhode Island as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2007, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on January 19, 2007, 12:03:24 PM
Also does anyone know anything about Bartelle?  He was running the music last night at Curry and was shooting around during half time.  Whats his deal?

He must be on a break from his And1 Tour.

Quote from: CCC Talk on January 19, 2007, 12:17:04 PM
Let the Gordon crying begin. The foul totals look pretty even, and Doyle fouls out for Wentworth.

Let's not get back to the petty bickering and name calling here.  Everybody whines at time because of the officiating.  The CCC officials aren't very good (for the most part) and they'll get some situations wrong.  It shouldn't be used as an excuse, especially now that those guys at CSC have retired.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 19, 2007, 12:22:56 PM
The refs were bad last night period. They blew calls on both sides.


Gordon still has to play Endicott twice, travel to CSC and CC. Even NC at home can be a tough game, although without their three big scorers, they might not be as difficult.

WIT has has to play Endicott twice, CSC at home (at N'Eastern), Roger Williams at home, and Salve and Curry on the road. They did look really good last night, but they have some tough games they'll have to win in order to get a higher seed in the playoffs, although they will make the playoffs and I agree, be a spoiler candidate.

CSC has to play Endicott twice, host Gordon and Curry, and play WIT (who they handled at home).

And EC has to play everybody by UNE and Anna Maria.

I doubt Gordon or Endicott will win out, so the seeding for the playoffs is up in the air at this point. Even the number one seed is questionable with RWU showing a L in conference play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 19, 2007, 12:32:28 PM
 Endicott has played so few conference games. That weill make their second half that much more stressed. If they play hard, keep the turnovers down and keep hitting from 3-land they could really have an impact. Is 10-3  or 9-4  too much to ask?
This will be a test of the coach as well. Can he get the boys up, make adjustments and come up with different game plans and tendencies for some many big games so close together.
I'm not overlooking anybody here. Wit, Gordon, RWU are the tip of the iceberg for the Gulls over the next few weeks. Can't wait to get back and see them in action.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BBall_AllDay54 on January 19, 2007, 12:35:38 PM
Wentworth played one hell of a game.  It was back anf fourth at one point and then Wentworth statred to make a run feeding the ball inside and running screens all over Gordon.  The officials missed some calls last night, but when do they ever get things 100% correct.  PB, and Doyle played a good game even with Doyle fouling out, and the inside game was good also from Bynes.  I think it was a good win for them, and maybe signs of more to come.  

As for Mr. Bartelle his halftime show of chucking up three's from half court don't know what that is all about but from my understanding he's taking a leave of absence from the team, and will return next season, maybe that's a goodthing for Curry next season to have a player like him coming back, and hopefully with a new attitude.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 19, 2007, 12:55:50 PM
Thanks for the input James  ;)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BBall_AllDay54 on January 19, 2007, 01:03:23 PM
LOL  ;D Not this time
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2007, 02:05:54 PM

If he's still hanging around Curry, he must still be in school there.  If he is, I can't imagine he'd have any eligibility left with the 4 in 5 thing in full effect.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 19, 2007, 02:12:35 PM
Just as a side note: its true that the refs weren't the greatest last night, but Gordon shot 41% while allowing Wentworth to shoot 57% for the game.  I think we're all overlooking that fact.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2007, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: backboard on January 19, 2007, 02:12:35 PM
Just as a side note: its true that the refs weren't the greatest last night, but Gordon shot 41% while allowing Wentworth to shoot 57% for the game.  I think we're all overlooking that fact.

And Wentworth didn't shoot threes, which they are very apt to do.  I think you're seeing a squad finally start to gel a little and listen to their coaches.  Gordon's not going to get beat in a shoot out; even if you don't think you're gonna win, it's still dumb to do anything but dump it inside on them until they prove otherwise.

I really like this new line-up from WIT.  I think it will do some very good things for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: soontocome on January 20, 2007, 10:55:52 AM
Wentworth is a well rounded team, very guard heavy with blue, doyle, bolton, wentworth, and others who dont get much burn, however wentworth has a two experianced big men, Gaine and Weonard along with freshman shane west who will prove to be a big help for wentworth.  they should smoke AM today considering they are on a good run and are looking to be a force in the CCC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on January 20, 2007, 08:36:12 PM
Saturday, January 20th- The New England College Pilgrims (7-7, 2-3 CCC) fell 87-90 to the visiting Newbury College Nighthawks (8-6, 0-0 Ind) in an exhilarating match-up at Bridges Gym. 



The Nighthawks led from the get-go as sophomore Kevin Cleveland (Lynn, MA) dropped in a game-high 26 points and nine rebounds for Newbury.  The Pilgrims played a constant game of catch-up as Patrick Quinn (Sr., Holbrook, NY) contributed 17 points to the Pilgrim's offense.  NEC trailed 35-47 at the half.



The Nighthawks continued to lead until a Pilgrims run late in the second stanza that tied the game at 84 a piece.  NEC freshman Andre MacDonald (Hanson, MA) knocked down two three-pointers late in the game to keep the Pilgrims afloat.  Newbury retained the lead and held off the NEC onslaught to walk away with a 90-87 victory. 



Five NEC players scored in double digits including Quinn, Tyler Evans (Fr., Hartford, CT) with 15, Ryan Jaziri (Jr., Norwich, CT) with 16, Antoine Sylvia (Sr., Brockton, MA) with 11 points and 11 rebounds, and Trevor Tonkovich (Fr., Point Pleasant, NJ) with 14.  Newbury's Heman Honore (Fr., Medford, MA) had 18 points and Steven Morris (Sr., Somerville, MA) had 16 for the Nighthawks.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 21, 2007, 01:47:02 AM
(this is all meant in jest, I'm taking shots at everyone, I love this league...don't worry about it, nothing personal)


*The Iggy Pop Song "Lust For Life" Plays*

Welcome back...this is Jim Rome on the premier sports radio networks devoting my time today to New England Division 3 Basketball...in particular...The Commonwealth Coast Conference. We have open phones in the first hour so James in Bristol stay on the line we'll get to your R-Dub take and we are out to former Fightin Scot Hayes Murray and "Hoops Fan" on the phones to talk some hoops.

This week may have in fact been the wackiest week of a wacky year in a wacky league...fantastic.

Let's start in New London New Hampshire...anytime you lose what they lost you can't be sure what to expect...not only did they lose the big fella Andrew St. Clair who last I heard was running the pick and pop with a bunch of dudes who in their spare time try to deny William Wallace his freedom, they also lost Colin Bray and Jim Thorpe....All American....Rack That...Coach Foti the salty vet of the league has a new cast of characters and they are starting to play pretty well...let us talk about Ryan Murray ... this kid is grabbing rebounds at a MAMOTH clip. They are getting some offense from Nate "Marty Cordova" Truncellito and from a collection of talented frosh. Outstanding. Plus anytime you have to play in that airplane hanger they call a gym on a bathroom tile floor it's gonna be a rough night. I think things will continue to improve for the Chargers...excellent.

Moving on to Beverly...The Power Gulls ERRRRR just the Gulls still feature Nejmanja Markinovic possibly THE best Serbian player in the entire league and are still dangerous at home in the Post Center in front of their legions of fans who didn't get in to their first choice school...none the less Chris Millette has the boys playing like a tough out. They were able to beat Bridgewater State the other day and as they enter this tough stretch of roughly one million league games in 3 weeks...we should learn a lot more about them...and the play of Gsmizzle22.

Boston...What Is Up?...Who is this team and what have they done with The Leopards...Six wins in a row, are you freaking kidding me? This is Wentworth we're talking about here. Wentworth the team...not Wentworth the player...not that the fact that they have a player named Wentworth isn't ridiculous...rack that...I know most things...and I had no idea this team could even hang with Gordon...let alone beat them. I have no freaking clue what to expect from this team the rest of the way...Prezzie Blue is scary right now, all he and Doyle haven't been able to do lately is build themselves a gym.

Up in Henniker is my one of my favorite stories of the CCC year thus far...Ryan Jaziri is strongly campaigning to have his name changed to Ryan Freaking Jaziri...and as you know that is the highest compliment I can level...We're talking about a kid who was basically a good role playing guard for the last 2 years and all of a sudden he's leading the freaking league in scoring...I mean I half expect this kid to start screaming "HIBACHI" and launching from 25 feet...Plus the fact that a third of their freaking roster was born in Jolly Old England...Rack the English Muffins...I still see good things for the Pilgrims in the second semester even if their gym needs a freaking silo.

*shuffles papers*

How about up in Maine. Or as some would call it "Canada Junior". Noreaster Fan...can not be pumped with the record, but can be pumped with the win over Curry. Freaking outstanding. Steve Belmonte is turning himself into a quality CCC guard right before our eyes and Issac Stickney is in running for MVV...Most Valuable Viking...kid is a warrior. This team will beat someone in the near future...hopefully Matt McManus will call me up for some jungle karma.

Lastly...Wenham...I was waiting until last to get to Wenhem because I know Gordon Fan is taking time off from their cookie baking and inspiration saying recitation to read about the CCC. Don't let that hiccup against Wentworth throw you...this is still the team to beat in the North and I don't see them losing again in league play to be honest...Justin Kaufman and Jerry Logan is about as good as it gets as far as a backcourt in this league and when Marstaller doesn't make faces and just plays he's a freaking force to be reckoned with in the paint...Trigg and now Bajema have the luxury of slowly working their way into the rotation while the vets knock down shot after shot...Couple that with the strongest fan support in the league and you have a win win win situation in Scot Nation...One has to wonder what would happen if they were to win the conference tournament...between Coach Shauer's turned ankle from dancing up and down the sideline and the G rated revelry of the fan base it might be too much for me to take...I do think they'll win it though...If they do boys and girls may even be allowed to hold hands for the weekend at GC.


*shuffles papers*

I have an email here.... It reads "Jim, James Bartelle is the missing ingredient for Curry....signed...James Bartelle.".....hilarious 

Let's move on the South.

Milton Massachusetts....what is up?....Honestly is there anyone in this league cooler than Malcom Wynn? Dude's suits are ON POINT. Also that little fact that he's won a national freaking championship...rack that...As for his squad they are a Forrest Gump team across the board...you never know what you're going to get...Tim Jones is the best guard in the South...and they have a 6'10 dude hanging around that puts up numbers from time to time...I like them to finish second in the South...when they show up...they can take anyone.

Newport...Salve Regina...they have some serious talent on this campus ERRRRRR rich girls...and the basketball team is pretty good as well...Matt Grendel is another candidate for Most Valuble Freaking Viking. I'm pretty sure when they go to Roger Williams they don't even take a bus...they just hitch up Grendel to a freaking yoke and let him pull the wagon. Also honestly if you were a recruit why would you not go to Salve...it's in Newport...let's see Newport or Henniker?...Newport or Paxton?...Newport or a a housing project? (Wentworth)...I gotta go with Newport...They don't quite have the horses for a home game I don't think, but should be a spoiler night in and night out.

What is up in Paxton...Anna Maria is trying to get after it...on that 6 acre lot they call a campus...Sean Conrad is the coach there now and that dude is tough as nails...They've beaten Eastern Naz twice in the battle for pride and pride alone and just hung a 85 spot on Wentworth...This is another team that could beat someone...also when I am the president of sports I'm having an investigation into what in the hell an amcat is...rack it.

Over in Dudley...Nichols is getting used to life without Justin Lewis...Justin Lewis is a beast...but no longer a beast playing for that team...Coach Sockolnicki is one of the true good guys in the game however and you know he's got something up his sleeve. Vallee despite looking like a civil war soldier/samuri/k-fed on any given night with that ridiculous mane is showing why he has to be a candidate for player of the year...Also Chris Paquin is taking a look at getting his name in the Rookie Of The Year race...I will hopefully be speaking with Casey Butler later in hour 3 on the phones...but only if Jay Stew can run him down for me...

Quincy Massachusetts...Eastern Nazarene is getting close to fulfilling one of my personal dreams...I have always wanted to see a team run the table in reverse...unfortunately I think Coach Yeh is too good a coach and the players are too talented to not get a win somewhere along the line, crushing my dream...none the less Luc Jasmin and John Marcellous can both play the game...and after a close loss to Anna Maria and a closer game than expected with Gordon they will take one somewhere...and when they do they will be dancing in the aisles at ENC...or they won't...not sure if dancing is allowed. 

Lastly Bristol...James stay on the line we will still get to your take, I promise and you may very well win the slingbox...Mike Tully or as I like to call him "The Accountant" has quite a roster this year including Geoff "I'm 7 feet tall" Barrenger...Division 3 Basketball should look into a height restriction...the dude is 7 freaking feet tall, but none the less Dan Gumb is back as well...Great story, love to see a hard nosed kid come all the way back from a terrible injury...Brandon Parish is still around Bristol and hits the glass hard and they have a strong collection of Guards that are among the better backcourts in the league...The only thing wrong with this team is they play in Rhode Island...which has no business being a state...it's like...the size of a decent sized town out in the 909...and probably just as clean...but looking past that, they are my pick to win the south, and probably the entire league.....Scotts and Hawks for all the marbles...they got a good look at it.

*shuffles papers*

So there we are with a quick trip around the CCC, I'll be back next week with more takes that do not suck...for the entire league and the crew in Southern California I am Jim Rome and I am out.......GOOD NIGHT NOW
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 21, 2007, 10:03:08 AM
 Sad to say my Gulls didn't do so well at CSC. It was ugly to watch - on both sides, actually. The only quieter gym I've seen was the Amcats.
They couldn't finish, didn't execute, porous defense and ball handling issues. EC has to pick up the intensity, they run they have coming up is killer if they don't turn this around  FAST.
To echo someone's comments from earlier - what is going on with the officials. I know it's a tough job, but their efficincy in D3 is pretty horrible.  They call nothing for a while, guys start beating the crap out of each other and they the touch fouls come. Tempers rise and there are too many near bouts. Take control of the game. Oh, and by the way, is it too much for them to know the simple rules. Like if you have the ball and your foot touches the line it's the other teams ball? If they can't get that right, the tougher calls on fouls, blocks, charges etc. are lost!!!!!
Trust me - that is NOT why Endicott lost - but it plays into what might have been a better game. Offensive flow, defensive intenisty etc. can be dictated by a bad crew. This is the last go round for these guys and they deserve better. On every team. The sacrifices they make to play, the effort they put in  should be rewarded, not interupted by inept officials! Is there any help for these players?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 21, 2007, 12:11:32 PM
I love the Jim Rome take.

Gullfan we all feel your pain, if refs aren't blowing calls they are setting the tempo and controlling the games.  The issue is the three ref system.  Two many personalities.  With two refs you get much more effort and consistency.  But there is little chance of going back to two reffs.  We also probably get the shaft with refs because there is so much college basketball going on around here, we have the highest concentration of colleges in the country so the good ones get spread out thin.  I guess we just have to deal with it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 21, 2007, 12:25:59 PM
 I hear you! But here is how refs effect the games. Two quick, cheap fouls in the first half will almost always put a player on the bench for the half. If the calls are consistent and the players know what to expect, they can take steps to avoid the second foul. Impact players can be effected by sitting - or playing against a lesser defender. It does go both ways.
I watched a player foul out of a close game earlier this year. Problem was, he didn't commit the foul that was called, but was id-ed as the fouler. He now sits for the last 5+ minutes and the team loses by a small number. How much does that call effect how the rest of the game played out. Nobody was denying the foul- just call it on the right player.
Hey Hoops Fan or Pat Coleman - do the coaches get the chance to rate the officials performance and maybe request to NOT get certains refs or teams of refs? Just thought you two might have more info. Thanks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: gullfan on January 21, 2007, 12:25:59 PM
Hey Hoops Fan or Pat Coleman - do the coaches get the chance to rate the officials performance and maybe request to NOT get certains refs or teams of refs? Just thought you two might have more info. Thanks.

That is a conference-level decision. Some leagues do this.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 21, 2007, 01:15:31 PM
The GC/ENC games was closer than most thought, but for ENC.. that their championship game, so they gave it their all. They're better than an 0-15 team.

That being said, Gordon has shot 10-45 in their last two games from beyond the arc. They'll need to find their touch from behind the arc if they want to compete Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 22, 2007, 08:11:46 AM
I am a big Gordon fan but if they play how they did against ENC, their season is OVER.  They were sloppy and looked like they didn't care about the game.  A couple of the leaders have poor shot selection.  I seems like they do not understand game management.  I realize that they are playing a number of freshmen but the team has taken a huge step backwards.  They will have to continue to ride out this tough stretch but like I said if they continue at their current performance, their season is done!

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2007, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: gullfan on January 21, 2007, 12:25:59 PM
Hey Hoops Fan or Pat Coleman - do the coaches get the chance to rate the officials performance and maybe request to NOT get certains refs or teams of refs? Just thought you two might have more info. Thanks.

That is a conference-level decision. Some leagues do this.

I'm not sure if the practice has changed, but in the past each CCC coach has gotten one veto.  They could pick one ref to ban from doing their games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2007, 09:25:01 AM

Any mention of Jim Rome gets the negative karma from me.  Why anyone would want to emulate that narrow minded ass is beyond me, but since it is obvious that whoever is posting there has seen quite a few games already, I'd like to suggest you add some value to our discussions.  You seem to have quite a bit to contribute.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2007, 09:47:29 AM

WIT over AMC 91-84.  WIT may have chosen a good game to have an off night.  PBJ got 23 on the way to his 1000th point.  Doyle had 22 and Bolton had 19 and 7 assists.  Apparently the post players took the night off.  AMC got some good production, finally, getting 21 with 10 assists from Sadlowski, 18 off the bench from Henry Rose and 17 from Nunnally, who is finally starting to show up.  12 guys from AMC got at least ten minutes.  This coach really believes in sharing the love.

Nichols wakes up and dumps Salve 77-65.  Paquin had 20, Vallee had 19, and Wilcox got 15 for NC.  Salve had 15 and 11 from Grendal, Woodworth had 14, and Hazzard and DeSantis each got 11.  Both teams were hitting well from three, but it looks like the FT edge went to Nichols and paid off.

RWU had a rough night in Biddeford, barely edging UNE 61-57.  Scary night for supposedly to team to beat in the CCC.  I think it's officially anyone's conference right now.  Well anyone but ENC that is.  UNE got 11 rebounds from Stickney and 16 points from John Marriott off the bench.  Belmonte had 5 assists.  RWU didn't start Barranger, giving Bashaw a reward for his good work of the past few weeks.  Big Geoff ended up with 11 and Bashaw had 10, Parrish and Gumb both had 12 points.  Gumb got the start, which may actually have been what put Barranger on the bench.  But either way, they barely pulled this one out, losing the rebounding battle and only staying ahead with a butt-load of free throws.

CSC 71, EC 61.  Probably a not un-expected result.  Ryan Murray continues to make his presence known for CSC with an 11 and 19 night to go along with 5 assists.  fouriner also had 11 points and Rosso put in 12 from the bench.  EC was led by 15 from Sullivan, 12 from Marinkovic and 12 points and 5 assists from Burton.  CSC won the rebounding battle,  and had a better TO margin.  FT's were even, but CSC hit more threes.  The defense was pretty good on both sides.

NEC goes down to Newbury.  Embarrassing 87-90.  NEC proves once again they can score, but have yet to remember to get back on defense.  Quinn had 17, Jaziri had 16, Evans had 15, Tonkovich had 14 and Sylvia went for 11 and 11.

ENC doesn't do as bad as expected vs Gordon, losing 58-72 in Wenham.  This can really only be described as ugly.  Jasmin, suprisingly, was able to put up a great game down low against the GC interior defense, notching 17 points.  Marcellus had 11 off the bench for ENC.  Marstaller had 18, as did Kauffman to go with his 9 assists.  Bajema had 12 and Schnackenberg had 10, both off the bench.  Herr didn't show up, the rebounding was fairly even.  GC committed 15 turnovers and went 5-28 from downtown.  Yuck.  They did hit the offensive boards pretty well and knocked in enough FTs to keep it from being a game, although the two point halftime lead had to scare the heck out of them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2007, 01:40:49 PM

No games tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: PressBreaker on January 22, 2007, 06:59:32 PM
This is my first time on the CCC board.  yes, the coaches get to rate the officials.  I also know for fact the ECAC does take the ratings very seriously.  That's not to say the coaches can pick the officials they want but lets say they can voice their opinion and in some circumstances they can get the scheduler to change some assignments.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2007, 08:59:21 AM

Tonight:

WIT hosts Newbury at Regis
UNE @ CSC
NC @ ENC
SRU @ CC
EC @ GC
NEC @ AMC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 23, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Congrats to Prezzie Blue getting his 1000 points and Player of the Week.

There are some pretty interesting games tonight.  The GC-EC could be good depending on which team shows up respectively for each side.  On the south side, Salve and Curry looks like a fight for the second spot.  I expect CSC to handle UNE and NEC should be able to defeated Anna Maria.  Newbury has been able to defeat a few CCC opponents this year so it'll be interesting how they do against a WIT team that is on a hot streak.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 23, 2007, 03:02:08 PM
Big game at Gordon tonight.  Gordon must show up and make a statement.  A win for Endicott could right the ship and get that team going.  I have a felling though Gordon is going to step up tonight, because this game is huge for both teams and this game should be as good as they always are.  In another interesting note, Jon Marstaller is 17 points away from 1000 for his career a great accomplishment for him, especially on a team as balanced in scoring as Gordon has been over the past few years.  Should be fun night in Wenham.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 24, 2007, 09:08:08 AM
 Gordon/Endicott did not disappoint!!!!! Great game. 30-30 at the half. Tough defenses on both sides. Clutch shooting (except fot the brick free throws at the end that would have iced it for GC).
I read the web reports for both schools and I was wondering why my take was so different. Props to getting your 1000th point Jon Marstaller, but the game was about Jerry Logan lighting it up at the start of the second half. Even though EC came back to tie and get the lead, every announcer on ESPN or whatever talks about basketball "runs". The adjustments you make to stop them etc. Endicott had to work so hard to get back from Gordon's long distance display, that they didn't have enough to get over the top.
This game was all a GC/EC game would be advertised to be. If you missed it - you "missed" it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2007, 09:11:28 AM
Here's the rundown:

WIT over Newbury 66-55.  PBJ had 14, Doyle had 15, Brian Gaine 10.  Bynes had 6 blocks. They started slow and just dominated in the second half.  Good showing, although a bit sloppier than they've been of late.

UNE knocks off CSC in overtime in New London!!  UNE overcame 25 turnovers to win in OT.  CSC didn't play much defense again and UNE just didn't want to lose as much as CSC did.  Murray had 10 and 18, Szeliga had 17 and Fouriner had 14 with 5 assists.  For UNE, Farynaz had 15, Button had 13 and Belmonte put in 13 as well.  Ugly, ugly game.

Nichols 70 ENC 52.  Brian Riley had 10 with 9 assists for Nichols, Paquin had 15 points and Powers had 10 rebounds.  Jean-Noel had 15 for ENC, Duda got 12 rebounds.  ENC shot horribly, got out rebounded and only hit 4-16 FTs.

Curry over Salve 84-77.  Salve got 27 from Goodridge, 14 and 11 from Grendal, 13 from Woodworth and 10 from Wirth.  Curry got 22 from Bowers, who might be rounding into form, 21 from Jones along with 9 assists and 15 a piece from Prescod and Brittian.  Salve won the rebound battle 49-35, but couldn't turn it into points, partly because of 25 turnovers.  Curry got to the line 36 times and that may have been the difference.

GC over Endicott 73-69.  This must have been an incredible game.  Both teams hit more than half their threes.  It appears to have been neck and neck the whole way.  Nemanja was five assists away from a triple double, 14, 10 and 5, Burgos had 16 points.  For GC Logan had 21 along with 10 assists, Kauffman had 7 assists, Herr had 10 points and 10 boards, and Marstaller got 20.

AMC beats NEC 75-74.  No stats for this one.  I'm not sure I care.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 24, 2007, 02:28:31 PM
A couple thoughts about the GC/EC game...

The lead was no bigger than six for either side, with each side taking, giving up and retaking momentum.

30-30 games at the half, but in the second half, Gordon went 7-10 from the beyond the arc. (Marstaller was 2/2, Logan was 4/5, Herr was 1/1)

Gordon gave up 6 OREB in the first half, only 2 in the second half. The total REB margin in the first half was +10 EC, but +5 GC in the second.

EC shot 49.1 percent, which still shows that Gordon D isn't great, but we already knew that. Burgos 11 of his 16 in the second half on 5/5 shooting.

EC led by 5 with three and a half left to go, but with Kaufman's three point play, Schnack's alley oop, and Marstallers 3 for 1'001... GC captured the momentum when it matter.

Kind of interesting that UNE beat CSC?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2007, 02:32:17 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on January 24, 2007, 02:28:31 PM
Kind of interesting that UNE beat CSC?

That's the understatement of the week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 24, 2007, 03:58:01 PM
I must say that last night gives me hope for the rest of the GC season.  Although they were sloppy for a little while and their free throw shooting has horrible, their defense stepped it up.  I think GC held EC scoreless for about 3 minutes down the stretch.  It reminds me of how they played every game last year.  They will have to extend that defensive pressure for the whole game before they can duplicate last season success.

I must say that it was a guts call to throw the alleyoop down 5 with 5 minutes left.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2007, 04:44:11 PM

It's about time for teams to begin locking down for the post-season run.  I expect we'll see good coaching separate itself from poor coaching at this point.

GC and EC can both get back in shape and I'm sure this game was a good jump start.  Up in New London, however, I'm not sure even Foti can get that crew where they need to be in the next month.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
Lots of games tonight:

WIT @ EC
GC @ Newbury
CSC @ NEC
NC @ Becker
ENC @ CC
UNE @ AMC
RWU @ SRU


A lot of local rivalries tonight as well as Wentworth's chance to move into outright second place in the North.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on January 26, 2007, 07:30:30 AM
Newbury Beats Gordon!

Brookline, MA: Newbury College improved their record to 9-7 with a spectacular and exciting victory over the Commonwealth Coast Conference league leading Gordon College (12-5) by a score of 70-69 in Brookline tonight.  The game came down to the final seconds, as Newbury turned the ball over with 3 seconds to go clinging to a 70-69 lead giving the Fighting Scots one last chance at victory. Unsung hero, Ivan DaSilva (New Bedford, MA/West Bridgewater) sealed the victory for the Nighthawks, stealing the pass in the final seconds.



After an early 10 point lead for Gordon College in the first 5 minutes of the game, the Nighthawks clawed back with defensive intensity and selfless offensive play to even the game at halftime at 37.  Newbury had four players in double figures, led by Heman Honore (Medford, MA/St Clements's) 18 points, 7 blocks and Kevin Cleveland (Lynn, MA/Lynn Voc) 15 points, 10 rebounds and 6 assist.  Also playing a major factor was Arch Mitchell (Framingham, MA/Framingham) 12 points and point guard Steve Morris (Somerville, MA/Somerville HS) who controlled the tempo, while pitching in 11 points with 6 assists.



Jon Marstaller, a 6-5 forward from Naples, ME, was sensational in defeat leading all scorers with 25 points on 10-16 shooting, 2-3 from behind the three point mark.  Also contributing was Brady Bajema (Whitinsville, MA/ Whitinsville) scoring 10 points, Michael Schnackenber (South Portland, MA/Cheverus) 9 points and Michael Herr (Lampeter PA/Lampeter-Strasburg) also tossed in 9.



The Nighthawks, winners of the last 5 of 6, travel to MIT on Saturday; game time is 3:00.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2007, 09:18:37 AM

Yikes.

As you've seen, GC goes down to Newbury by one 69-70.  You'd think with Gordon's experience, they could pull out a close one.  They're gonna have to win the tournament now because there's no chance for a Pool C anymore.  I'm not sure where dball got the stats from as there is nothing on the GC site, but see the previous post for details.

EC beat Wentworth pretty good 83-68 to retain 2nd place in the North.  Marinkovic continues he resurrgence with 18, 10 and 7.  Whitelaw has 15, Burgos had 13 and Burton had 11.  WIT was led by 26 from PBJ, 13 from Gaine, Bynes had 11 and Doyle 10.  Rebounding was 49-24, which should say a lot.  WIT went 1-9 from the arc.  EC had 21 turnovers but overcame it with solid 50% shooting from the floor and the arc.  Looks like the GC game got them back on track.

NEC ran over CSC 120-96 as Colby-Sawyer's lack of defense really proved too much for themselves to handle.  Jaziri had 39, Evans had 24, Quinn had 22 with 9 assists and Tonkovich had 15.  For CSC, Szeliga had 29, Truncilleto had 14, Cousins had 13 and Murray had 10.  It seems NEC did well defending the post and keeping CSC off the boards.  25 turnovers for CSC and a 41-44 night from the foul line for NEC made the difference.  41-44 that's insane!  UNE has won games this year only scoring in the low 40's.

Nichols took care of Becker 95-71.  No stats that I could find (although I didn't look that hard).

Curry wins a close one with ENC 79-71.  Seaberg had 15 for ENC, which actually spread some scoring around and hit the boards, gaining the rebounding edge 44-43.  Jones had 19 with 6 assists, Brittian had 16, Mastrullo 14, Bowers 11 and Prescod went for 13 and 10.  Stats were pretty even across the board, Curry just put a couple of extra buckets in.  Curry was up 18 with two minutes to go and ENC could only get it down to 8 by the end.  ENC really needs to figure out how to play as efficiently at the beginning as they do at the end.

Anna Maria over UNE 69-50.  Stickney had 17, Floyd 14 and Belmonte 5 assists.  For AMC, Daigineault had 11 rebounds, Nunnally had 15 points and Lance Spratling came off the bench for 20 points.  AMC just shot better than UNE; they also got more shots because of a rebounding advantage.

Salve knocks off Roger Williams 56-50.  Salve has the athletes to compete with the best; they just haven't put much together this season.  Grendal had 17 and Goodridge had 15.  Roger Williams was lead by Billy Barrett at 13 and 11 from Barranger.  I think both teams just played badly.  Neither team could hit a three.  It seems like a classic rivalry game with the two teams slugging it out and Salve coming out on top.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 26, 2007, 09:39:20 AM
Just as a side note from the Wentworth/Endicott game last night, Wentworth head coach Tom Devitt did not coach in the game, as he was called away from Endicott on a family emergency.  Unfortunately, his father, who had been ill for a long time, passed away about three hours ago.  I ask the CCC fans on this board (or who lurk on this board) to keep Tom in their thoughts and prayers.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2007, 09:47:33 AM

Certainly,  I can imagine everyone involved in the program has had a tough night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AlexTrebek on January 27, 2007, 05:22:33 PM
Gordon tops Nichols 66-74
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 27, 2007, 09:44:10 PM
Endicott got by Curry! The Curry team is a very athletic and aggressive team. A little team discipline and shot selection and they are even tougher. Good luck playing them if you get them on a night when they make good choices with the ball!!!!!!!

Corbett hit a huge three at the half -with no time on the clock. Nemanja was his usual self. Watch him day in and day out. He works real hard. For a guy who can't jump so much - he gets great position and spacing for rebounds. He missed a few big layups toward the end that might have iced it for the gull, but his free throws and shots at the end made up for it.

Still too many turnovers at bad times fpr the Gulls. All in all - not a bad week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2007, 08:50:18 AM

Weekend Round-up:

GC over Nichols in OT 74-66.  I'm not sure if this means GC is still struggling or if NC is back on form, but surely this was a good game.  Vallee went for 15 and 10, Riley had 15 and Powers had 12 for Nichols.  GC was led by 20 and 12 from Marstaller along with 5 blocks and 20 points from Trigg off the bench (he's clearly played better as a sub this year than as a starter).  They also got 11 from Logan and 5 assists from Kauffman.  Rebounding a turnovers were even, as were shooting percentages for the most part.  There's ample reason for this one to have been tied at the end of regulation.  GC missed FTs during the game, but picked them up in OT and pulled it out.  Scary one for GC, but nice to see the post players picking up a game for once and Trigg able to hit from deep when the rest of the squad was struggling.  Good showing on both sides.  Nice pick-me-up win for GC.

EC over Curry by two 64-62.  Another good win for EC and another big, big performance from Marinkovic, who seems to finally be getting in rhythm.  He had 22 and 13 to go along with 15 from Sullivan and 11 from Corbett.  Bowers had 21 fro Curry again showing he can score on undersized post players; we'll have to wait and see what he does against the big boys.  Jonesh ad 15 and Mastrullo had 10.  Again these two teams were fairly even throughout on stats.  EC went 18-24 on FTs to CC's 8-10, which may have been the difference.  It's exciting to see so many teams playing so well in the midst of conference play.

UNE picks up another win, beating Salve 58-55.  The trip to Biddeford is taking a toll on the CCC; it seems like no one plays well there and very few come away with a win.  The Nor-easters stifled Grendal and SRU post players, dominating in the paint.  Tom Button pulled down 19 rebounds to go with 11 points, Stickney had 15 points and 11 boards, Farynaz and Belmonte had 12 points each with Belmonte dishing out 5 assists.  Salve was led by Jon Hazzard with 16, Mike Walsh with 11 and Goodridge with 10.  Salve managed only 4 assists for the whole game and was again stifled from the arc.  For a team that was #3 in the nation in three point percentage before Christmas, this cold streak must be really troubling.  Anna Maria has now jumped to third place in the south. 

Roger Williams outruns NEC 95-85 in New Hampshire.  I can't get the NEC box score on this one to load.  Maybe later.

CSC knocks off Wentworth 68-63 to save some face and re-take third place up north.  Szeliga had 17, Rosso had 13 and Murray pulled in 12 boards.  WIT got 15 a piece from PBJ and Doyle along with 12 from Gaine and 11 from Bynes.  Boards and turnovers were even, but CSC hit better both from the floor and from three.  It was a close game throughout, but CSC had better execution when it mattered.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on January 29, 2007, 11:15:37 AM
Hoops I know the Gordon box score showed that the starters were Logan, Kaufman, Herr, Marstaller and Shnackenberg but Herr actually didn't start because of a calf problem and Trigg did.  Trigg it seems plays for the game how he does in the first 5 minutes.  When he hits shots early he has played very well and when he missed shots early he has struggled to score, but for the most part he always plays solid defensively.  As for the Nichols game, Nichols always seems to be a tough game for Gordon and I don't know why, they might have wanted this game badly after last years play-off miracle in Wenham which ended their season..  They hit a good amount of threes that kept them in it and again Gordon was a little shaky with their free throws down the stretch.   Vallee is a tough guy to guard for us and Logan was on him for most of the night, even though he was giving up 3 inches and at least 25 pounds.  Vallee in addition to getting the absolute worst hair cut in the league put on a lot of weight in the off-season, he is much bigger than last year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2007, 10:19:38 AM

For the first time we have all twelve schools playing conference games on the same night:

GC @ UNE
EC @ WIT
NEC @ CSC
ENC @ NC
CC @ AMC
SRU @ RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 30, 2007, 11:34:15 AM
wowie... a lot of good games tonight. GC, EC, and RWU all have a chance of falling tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 30, 2007, 11:41:44 AM
As long as Gordon plays their own game and doesn't fall into the trap that is Biddeford, Maine, then they should come out with a win.  It still don't expect a blowout either way.  Also, should be real fun to watch NEC go to CSC after their shoutout a couple of days ago.  CSC will be looking for revenge certainly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2007, 12:09:23 PM

Any word on Herr?  I think there's some anxious GC fans out there wondering if he'll be back tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 30, 2007, 01:17:41 PM
I haven't heard anything... but my guess is that they needed him to play in the NC game, and he toughed it out, they will almost certainly need him on the road. And now it's been five days since the Newbury game... it probably even healed a little more.

Again, this is all speculation. But he really wanted to play in the NC despite the pain. And although he didn't put up his usual numbers or shot attempts, his presence somewhat turned the Scots offense around. I would expect him to play tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 30, 2007, 11:52:42 PM
Gordon tops UNE 66-33. It was 38-21 at halftime, so Gordon held UNE to 12 points in the second half, posting 28 of their own.

A solid defensive output for a team that has been taking criticism for not much reason. With this win, Gordon is solidly perched atop the CCC North and aims to carry increased success into the tourney with hopefully a number 1 seed attached.

Gordon plays at Curry on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 08:47:31 AM

Quick Run Down:

Wentworth tops EC in overtime 73-71.  PBJ hit the game winner with seconds to go as part of his game high 24 points, Brian Gaine had 14 for Wentworth.  EC was led by 18 points off the bench from Gary Corbett, Nemanja had another great line at 10, 8 and 6; Burgos and Sullivan each had 12 points.  This was the opener for WIT's new gym and this was a great way to start out.  EC had won the last 13 meetings between the two schools.  EC won the battle on the glass, but had 19 turnovers.  Both teams were quite even throughout.  It will be interesting to see which one of these schools can finish ahead of the other in the standings.

CSC over NEC 91-79.  Murray tied his own school record with 19 boards again in this game to go with 11 points.  Rosso led CSC with 24.  Fouriner had 15 with 7 assists and Szeliga and Trunciletto had 12 each.  NEC was led by, surprise, surprise, Jaziri with 28.  They also got 17 from Quinn and 13 from Sylvia.  Both teams had over 20 turnovers, but CSC dominated the glass and got a ton more shots to make up for NEC's usual FT advantage.

Nichols over ENC 71-58.  Jasmin showed up again for ENC with 20 points; Corey had 10.  Nichols was led by 23 from Vallee and surprisingly 7 assists from Ron Powers.  Wilcox, Riley and Paquin all had 10 points.  ENC won the rebound battle, but couldn't really hit any of their shots and found themselves at the wrong end of a 6-18 FT differential.

Curry slips past AMC 66-54.  Nunnally is really coming on for AMC pulling down 14 boards to go with 10 points.  Anthony McDonald also had 10 points for the AMCATS.  Curry was led by 20 points from Brittian and 19 and 15 from Bowers.  Tim Jones had an awful, awful night shooting 2-14 from the floor, but AMC didn't have enough to capitalize.

Gordon doubles up UNE 66-33.  UNE got ten points from Mike Floyd and GC held Stickney relatively quiet, which is a good sign for them.  Trigg started in place of Herr, who only logged 11 minutes.  Hopefully they're just trying to rest him up and that the injury isn't more serious.  Marstaller had 14, Bajema 12 and Logan and Schnack had 10 each.

RWU stayed clean against Salve 74-67.  Bashaw led RWU with 17.  Wooley had 12 and Parrish 10; he'll go over 1,000 points by the end of the season.  Salve got 21 from Grendal and 20 from Hazzard who led SRU on a big comeback to pull within three with three remaining.  Good win for RWU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 31, 2007, 12:20:31 PM
  As for the EC/WIT game. I went to the stats for the game and it looks like Gary Corbett was 7-11 from the floor - including the 3's. From what I can see, that's the most shots in a game he's had. Eleven isn't even a lot. Maybe we need to get him involved more. Marinkovic has played himself back into his old self (a nice explanation on the EC website - he was athlete of the week), Sullivan can be deadly inside and with the foul line jumper.  Todd Burton has come up big when his scoring has been needed.
  What we need is for all of them to come fired up each night, like the Gordon game and see where that takes us!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 02:01:45 PM

Corbett was getting more minutes at the beginning of the season (I think he even started a few games) and contributing well, but he fell off there in the middle.  I don't know if it was illness or injury or what, but he's a solid presence on both offense and defense and he'll be key if EC wants to make a run.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 31, 2007, 03:18:34 PM
 One of my buddies told me that the switch had to do with going with more "2 guard" offenses. That's why Corbett is coming in off the bench. I have seen him guard lots of smaller and quick people. Somehow, they need to keep him on the court!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 31, 2007, 09:41:36 PM
He was on fire in the first half but they kind of stopped going to them in the second.  Either you could acredit that to Wentworth making changes at the half, or Endicott changing their gameplan.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2007, 09:10:26 AM

Eight teams in action tonight:

AMC @ Mitchell
CC hosts Newbury
WIT @ UNE
SRU @ ENC
NEC @ EC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2007, 08:51:41 AM

Round-up:

Curry trashes Newbury 76-55.  15 and 10 from Bowers, 20 points with 7 assists from Tim
Jones, 16 from Brittian and 12 from Prescod.  Apparently Curry has this thing where they don't play well until February.  Seems like things continue this year.  Although their three point and FT shooting were both off, they didn't shoot much of either and didn't really need to do so.

Wentworth survived the trip to Biddeford, winning 75-62.  Floyd and Farynaz had 13 a piece and UNE also got 10 from John Marriott.  WIT was led by 29 from PBJ, 19 from Doyle and 10 from Bynes.  These guys are going to be quite a threesome the next couple years.  WIT shot lights out and controlled the ball well.  That program is really coming along.

ENC got close to Salve, losing by only 18, 63-81.  Luc Jasmin led with 19 fro ENC, newcomer Jeremy Hueston came off the bench to score 16.  They must have succeeded in recruiting some intramural players for the varsity during the homestretch.  Salve got 25 from Woodworth, 18 with 5 assists from Grendal, 17 from Hazzard and 8 assists from Goodridge.  Too many turnovers and poor shooting again plagued ENC.  They did come out on top in rebounds however.  Perhaps coach Yeh is just focusing on fundamentals for next season.

EC beat NEC 83-64.  Jaziri had 24 and Evans 16 for NEC.  EC was led by 24 and 15 for Marinkovic who is quickly closing in on player of the year.  EC got 14 from Sullivan and 10 from Burgos.  EC nearly doubled them up on the rebounds although they continued to commit 20 turnovers a game.  But they shot really well and dominated the glass for an easy win.

Anna Maria beat Mitchell by 2, 81-79.  Mitchell came back from 15 down only to be disappointed on a buzzer beater from Nunnally, who finished with 24.  Lance Spratling had 14.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: the_cru2 on February 02, 2007, 09:32:52 AM
Well it is safe to say ENC will go defeated all season, which is almost laughable.  I feel bad for Coach Yeh, who is a very respected coach in his first season. 

I really hope he sticks around and is able to recruit his own players.  Right now he is playing with Coach Zink's guys. 

The players love him and he is very respected around the college. 

The really good news is, they can't get any worse so its only uphill from here!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 02, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
Looks like Player of the Week is going to come down to Marinkovic and Prezzie-Blue.  Marinkovic is averaging 17 points, 7.5 rebounds, and 4 assists so far.  Blue is leading Wentworth with 26.5 points with the game winning shot against Marinkovic's team.  However, Endicott plays at Roger Williams on Saturday which should decide who wins, not to mention it should be a good game.  Wentworth has off until next Tuesday when they host Roger Williams who will surely be looking for revenge from last year's playoff upset.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2007, 03:51:38 PM

Tomorrow's line-up:

UNE @ NC
GC @ CC
CSC @ ENC
SRU @ NEC
EC @ RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jj on February 02, 2007, 05:44:38 PM
Some observations/thoughts:

1. As someone mentioned several posts ago Brandon Parrish should break 1000 points soon.  A few years ago he was a much bigger part of the equation for RWU.  It is interesting that at this point of his career as senior and about to break 1000 that he is almost an afterthought to some extent.  He has been a very good player at his particular role and Tully has done a good job of bringing in other very good players over the past 2-3 years.

2. As someone mentioned a few posts ago ENC looks like they will go winless.  Regardless of who is coaching or who's players they are it is still embarrasing.  If they shot FT's better than an average junior high team they would have at least won 4 games which would have equaled last year.  Can you blame coaching for that?  Partially maybe.

3.  EC has gone and will continue to go as Marinkovic plays. It looks like he is bringing his "A" game at the right time which could prove interesting.  They also have some nice other players helping them right now but he is the most complete player in the league.....at least in my opinion.

4.  Sometimes the coaches and players of the bottom dwellers don't get enough respect for showing up and competing hard every night with less talent but UNE and AMC seem to do just that .  I would love to see a big upset or two down the stretch.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2007, 05:50:31 PM

By the way, we forgot to congratulate Gordon as they have become the first (and currently only) team in the CCC to clinch a playoff spot.  Even if they lose out, only three teams can catch them.

We're not quite to the place where we're looking at playoff scenarios yet, but from here on out, everyone should be playing scared.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 03, 2007, 09:53:16 PM
 I agree with the posting from "JJ". Marinkovic is as complete a player as I've watched. He does so much, sees the whole game and does so with no flash. People in the stands at every game dis him because he's not fast, flashy or above the rim.
Good thing for Endicott, he just plays his ass off and gives everything he's got. There are a couple of guys like that on the team. Mike Sullivan is a "horse"! Just ask anyone who's guarded him. Gary Corbett does lots of the little things and has proven he can score. He is an over looked defensive presence up top. I.E.,he stopped Cain at WPI coldin the first half before they changesd assignments - then Cain ended up with 20+, and he's been doing all the little things to get the Gulls on track.
We don't have Matt G. anymore, but I like where we are. Without looking ahead, I'm getting my tailgate ready for Gordon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 04, 2007, 12:51:27 AM
a few thoughts following the curry game,

1. curry isn't a bad team.. except when they only score two points in the first ten and a half minutes. other than that, i agree with gullfan -- they lack shot selection.

2. if tim jones is as valuable to them as hoopsfans says he is (and i have no reason to beleive otherwise), why are they playing the freshman #3 at point guard most of the game? he was 0-7 from the field, and just had terrible vision.

3. brittian had a height advantage over his defender all game (6'1" logan and 6'0" trigg), yet he played mainly around the arc and wasn't even involved in the offense most of the game. that didn't make sense to me.

all that being said, compliments of endicott, gordon takes over #1 in the ccc. if they can take care of business in new london, that sets up an epic match up at the post center. while GC can't lose #1 in the north with a loss (assuming they beat csc), they can still lose the top seed.

but then again, rwu still has to play at wit. a lot of fun upcoming.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2007, 08:59:08 AM

Tim Jones is a natural 2-guard; they were playing him at the point before all the injuries.  Apparently Wynn wants to go another direction.  I'm not yet ready to question the guy with the national championship.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2007, 09:17:46 AM

Now for the run-down:

NC over UNE 74-65.  17 and 14 from Stickney, 10 and 16 from Button, 15 points from Marriott, 10 from Floyd and 8 assists from Farynaz.  Belmonte looks to have gotten hurt, playing only 10 minutes at the beginning of the game.  NC was led by 19 from Wilcox and 16 from Vallee along with 12 from Paquin and 11 boards from Powers.  UNE had 18 turnovers to Nichols' 7, rebounds were even, but NC hit the FT line a ton more to make the difference.  Both teams shot pretty poorly from three.

GC 77 - CC 53.  Jones had 17, Brittian had 14 and Bowers had 11.  GC was led by Marstaller with 17, Bajema had 12, Trigg had 11 and both Logan and Herr had 10.  It's hard to get outrebounded by Gordon, but Curry managed to do it.  To answer the question on Brittian.  He shies away from contact, so he stays on the outside.  He's kinda like Vince Carter in that way.  He could take over if he wanted to, but he just never seems to have the desire.  That's why he's working on school #2.  GC shot the three well, but didn't get to the line much, then again, they didn't have to.  Curry just played poorly.

ENC comes close, but falls at home to CSC 72-66.  ENC actually led at halftime, but typically, couldn't hold on.  Seaberg had 19, Jasmin and Hueston (one of the newcomers) had 10 a piece.  CSC was led by Cousins with 15, Fouriner had 13 and Murry got 10 boards.  ENC was pretty consistent throughout, but CSC picked it up just enough in the second half to pull it out.  FTs hurt ENC again.  They were only 58% from the stripe.

Salve kills NEC 89-61.  Jaziri only had 15, Evans and Farragher had 12 each and Quinn had 10.  Salve was led by Hazzard with 24, Grendal with 18, DeSantis with 11 and Woodworth with 10.  Goodridge had 5 assists.  Salve just shot at a really high percentage and turned on the defense big time.  They look to be a sleeper come tournament time.  Lots of talent and if they get it together in a big game, they could be really dangerous.

EC over RWU 62-58.  Big win for EC.  Billy Barrett had 14 as the only RWU player in double figures, although three others had 9 points a piece.  Marinkovich all but claimed player of the year with a monster 22 and 18 night, almost single-handedly willing his team to victory.  Sullivan had 17 and Burgos 12 for Endicott.  RWU shot out of their minds, but had 22 turnovers and got outrebounded which led to an extra 18 shots and the victory.  FTs were the difference in this one too with RWU going 14-21 while EC hit 11-13.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2007, 09:20:05 AM

As far as the playoffs go:

Gordon clinched a spot.  UNE is mathematically eliminated. 

NEC and ENC are still technically alive, although they face near impossible tasks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 06, 2007, 09:21:55 AM
To bad for Gordon.  Bates is no longer ranked!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 06, 2007, 04:43:56 PM
Tonight's Games:

Eastern Nazarene at Endicott       
Wesleyan at Salve Regina       
Roger Williams at Wentworth Tech       
Curry at Colby-Sawyer       
New England College at University of New England       
Bates at Gordon       
Nichols at Anna Maria
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2007, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: akirk on February 06, 2007, 04:43:56 PM
Tonight's Games:

Eastern Nazarene at Endicott       
Wesleyan at Salve Regina       
Roger Williams at Wentworth Tech       
Curry at Colby-Sawyer       
New England College at University of New England       
Bates at Gordon       
Nichols at Anna Maria


akirk steps up when I'm slacking.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 06, 2007, 10:55:22 PM
WIT over RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 06, 2007, 11:36:47 PM
Bates tops Gordon in overtime...
82-74...

It was even the whole way through. Jon Marstaller got fouled on a layup with 4.6 seconds to go. The ball went halfway down the hoop and rimmed out. He then coolly made the two free throws to send it into the extra period.

After a bogus call on the first play (Jerry Logan had a 3 tipped, and it bounced out of bounds untouched. The refs gave the ball to Bates) the visiting team went on a run and forced around 3 or 4 clutch turnovers. It was sealed after the first two minutes of overtime play.

The game pretty much meant nothing for Gordon, other than a test to prep them for tournament time. It was a non-conference game that they weren't expected to win, and they still sit atop the CCC ready to close it out with confidence.

The loss should not have a negative effect upon the Scots, as they played hard and left nothing on court in the end. The experience of a close overtime game and playing from behind for a bit can only help them out come two weeks from now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 06, 2007, 11:58:01 PM
Just curious, which tournament are you talking about?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 07, 2007, 01:12:56 AM
I can't speak for scout, but I'm pretty sure the only tournament Gordon is thinking about at this point is the CCC.

That being said, GC did play great for 40 minutes against Bates. They showed they had the offensive firepower to hang with a team known for defense (Bates opponents average 60 pts. per game). However, the gave up 8 straight points before finally scoring in OT, and the game was pretty much set by then. Unfortunate.

Meanwhile, WIT is knocking off everybody at home (except CSC, who they really could have used a W over). From what I gathered from the players reactions after their win over GC, they feel like they're not getting the respect they deserve. While they should be considered dangerous come playoffs, they really need to get a good road win to be fully respected. (While beating GC and EC at home, they lost by 15 to both teams on the road). They have that chance this Saturday at Salve.

The WIT win over RWU sets up Gordon for their most important game of the season this Saturday at CSC. With a win, GC controls the tie breaker in the North (assuming they beat UNE and AMC at home to end the season), and since it looks like the North controls the number one seed, has it in their own hands to win home court through out the post season, again. Should be a great game Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 07, 2007, 01:13:54 AM
I am assuming Scout was talking about the CCC tourney because that is certainly the only tournament Gordon is guarenteed to be in this year.  Even with a win tonight their QOWI wouldn't have been in the right ball park to merit an at large bid.  That aside, Gordon played very well tonight and competed hard against a very good Bates team that would be with out a doubt the class of the CCC if the were in this league.  Zak Ray is very good and Stockwell does what ever he wants to in the paint.  Gordon struggled against Bates when they went to a 2-3 zone but they were the better team when they were playing man-to-man.  Gordon has a tough trip, although certainly not as tough as years past, to New London this weekend and then a trip over to the POst center where they haven't won for as long as I can remember.  With that being said, after tonights RWU loss, are in the drivers seat for the number one seed in the conference tourney.  Assuming they win on Saturday at CSC and Endicott wins as well that will bring Gordon to the Post center at 11-2 in conference and Endicott will be sitting at 10-3, assuming they win against CSC and Nichols at home this week.  That got me to thinking about what Gordon has to do to get the number one seed.  Win out is the short answer.  However if they were to lose here is how the tie breakers work.

III. TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE:
In the event of a tie at the end of regular season play, the following procedure will be used to determine seeds for the tournament:
1) Head to Head
2) Record in Division
3) Record top to bottom in division
4) Record top to bottom on other division
5) Record against non-conference common opponents
6) Overall record versus all teams with a .500 or better record
7) Coin toss ( in a three way tie using flip, "the odd toss is out leaving a head to head review of tie breaker


Head to head would be split.  Record in division Gordon would be 7-2 with UNE remaining and Endicott would be 6-3 with NEC remaining.  And Endicott loss to CSC at this point would give Gordon the edge in the 3rd tie breaker.  So essentially Gordon could lose to Endicott and still keep the number one seed as long as they won the rest of their games.  I hope the win out and take the suspense out of the last week and half, but in any event its should be a very fun close to regular season.

The Post center should be rockin' on Tuesday night, but Gordon needs to take care of business on Saturday at CSC first. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 07, 2007, 01:33:27 AM
I just wanted to throw something out there.  I know many of you think that Nemanja Marinkovic will win player of the year, but I have a name you might not think of but is the most valuable player to his team, at least in my opinion and that is Jerry Logan.  The kid goes all out every night and he just makes big plays.  He is averaging 13.4 points, 3 rebounds and 3.4 assist per game.  The thing that stands out to me the most is how good of a defender he is.  He get the opposing teams best guard every game and he does just plays so hard.  With out him Gordon is not 10-2 in conference.  Just thought I would throw his name in for consideration.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2007, 08:44:07 AM

Marinkovic is going to win.  Logan's got another year doesn't he?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballbliss on February 07, 2007, 08:55:17 AM
Jerry Logan is a senior this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2007, 09:07:40 AM
Round-up:

ENC rocks ENC 102-78.  Jasmin got 19 and Seaberg had 16 for ENC; they're still taking too many threes, but they played well on the offensive end.  Any news is good news for them at this point.  Defense, however, is another story.  EC shot 57% from the floor and actually better (65%) from deep.  They also hit 25-29 free throws and the starters only played about 22 minutes.  Crobett led with 17 off the bench; Stewart had 14.  Burgos had 11 and Burton had 10.  Marinkovic didn't get many shots or play a whole lot, but it seems he was the only one to have an off night.  I assume Jasmin had something to do with that.  On the whole this game seems pretty typical, ENC's only weapon is Jasmin down low and it seems EC got a lot of points by abusing the guards.

Salve dropped one to Wesleyan 81-87.  It's non-con and they're a NESCAC team, but Wesleyan is not good this year.  I'm not surprised by the result, but I was really thinking they'd pull it out.  Goordridge had 20 with 5 assists, Hazzard went for 19 with 10 boards, Wirth was 12 and 10 and Grendal had 11 points and 5 assists.  Numbers are pretty even throughout; Wesleyan got a few more free throws in the second half and pulled away.

WIT over  RWU 74-64.  By the way this is only their second home game all year.  The CSC loss was the last "home" game they played in another gym.  Their currently undefeated in the new digs and have some bright prospects for the future.  This was a big win for them as they are still alive in the hunt for 2nd place up north.  Bashaw led RWU with 17, Barranger had 11 and Barrett had 10.  RWU was outrebounded by the smaller WIT squad that was led by 25, 6 and 6 from Doyle; 18 points and 5 assists from PBJ and 11 each from Gaine and Bolton.  Bynes seems to have been contained by the taller RWU bigs.  This looks to have been pretty even, although WIT stepped up the shooting in the second half.  Good game; good win.

Curry walks into New London and comes out on top 81-75.  Wynn only played seven guys and it payed off.  Tim Jones had 26, Brittian 19 and Mastrullo 15.  Prescod got ten boards.  CSC was led by 18 a piece from Rosso and Fouriner (5 assists, also), 14 from Cousins and 12 from Szeliga.  Murray got ten rebounds.  FTs seem to be the difference 21-24 from Curry vs. 5-13 for CSC.  The freshman, Rosso, is really starting to emerge for Colby-Sawyer.  They might have found another quality freshman class.

NEC tops UNE 79-77.  Jaziri had 25, Quinn had 16 with 6 assists and Evans had 14 points.  Sylvia pulled down 17 boards.  He's quite high in the national rebounding rankings.  UNE got 15 and 17 from Tom Button, 17 from Farynaz, 12 from Marriott, and 11 from Floyd.  NEC went inside and UNE, as usual, tried to rain down threes, but came up short.  Probably a fun one to watch.

GC goes down to Bates in OT 74-82.  This is one of the most talented teams in New England and GC made a very good showing, especially with Bates having a formidable big man.  Stockwell dominated the paint, but Marstaller held his own on the offensive end, getting 19.  Herr scored 17 off the bench on some good outside shooting.  Logan had 19 and Bajema had 10.  They got 5 assists out of Kauffman.  Once GC develops those young big men they've got, they'll be able to compete with a team like Bates, but the inside-outside combo of Stockwell and Bates is very good and they were too much for Gordon.  I'm amazed that this even went to overtime.  Very good show from GC; absolutely nothing to be disappointed about.

Nichols squeaks by Anna Maria 95-83 in the hangar.  Anthony McDonald scored 21 for AMC, they got 14 from Spratling and 13 from wells, all off the bench.  Daigineault put in ten of his own.  Nichols was led by 26 from Vallee, 20 from Lindgren, 12 a piece from Powers and Wilcox and 11 from Paquin.  Both teams were absolutely on fire with AMC hitting 14 threes and Nichols netting 13.  This one had to have been really fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2007, 09:08:55 AM
Quote from: bballbliss on February 07, 2007, 08:55:17 AM
Jerry Logan is a senior this year.

Kauffman is the junior; I keep getting them mixed up in my head.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2007, 09:12:28 AM

It's going to be a tough decision to determine the all-conference first team this year.  I've just been thinking about who the best players are and there are some battles.

I think Marinkovic is the only no brainer and maybe Tim Jones.  Then you've got guys like Sylvia at NEC and Vallee and Marstaller competing for the other post position.  You've got Jaziri and Logan and Goodridge and Doyle and PBJ for guards.

Usually we've got about six guys in the mix, but this year there are a ton.  It will be interesting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2007, 09:21:28 AM

Let's talk playoff implications:

UNE is out up north.  NEC is still alive, but they'd have to win out and hope one of the other three schools loses out and then loses the tie-breaker.  So any loss by NEC means they're done.

Tiebreakers are undoubtedly going to factor into things in the North.  WIT split with both Gordon and Endicott, but lost both games to CSC.  CSC has a win over Endicott and a loss to Gordon and still has to play each one once more.  EC's got a loss to CSC and GC and plays them each once more.  Things will get crazy up there.

As for the South, RWU has three relatively easy games left (home vs AMC and ENC, at Nichols) as well as a 2.5 game lead.  Curry split with Salve and RWU, but has two wins over Nichols.  Salve's still got five games to go and is in a tough position versus just about everybody.  Nichols is starting to rebound, but their final four are pretty touch.  Surprisingly, AMC is still alive in this thing, but they've got a gauntlet left to run and nothing short of divine intervention will get them in.

It could be just down to seeds by the end of the week.  All eight teams could clinch after the next set of games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 07, 2007, 10:10:48 AM
Hoops Fan,

I saw the game last night between GC and Bates.  It was less a win for Bates and more of a loss for GC.   Gordon missed key free throws down the stretch.  Logan shot 45% from the line - well below what he normally does.  GC lead for most of the game but couldn't get a break.  The big guy for Bates bought real estate in the paint all night long.  Consistently he stayed in the paint for 5 to 6 seconds with out a three second call.  This is the main reason why he put up good numbers.

I have to give Bates credit - they are a very good team.  I just feel that Gordon beat themselves last night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 07, 2007, 10:32:20 AM
Congrats to Prezzie-Blue for winning Player of the Week, second time in three weeks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2007, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: akirk on February 07, 2007, 10:10:48 AM
Hoops Fan,

I saw the game last night between GC and Bates.  It was less a win for Bates and more of a loss for GC.   Gordon missed key free throws down the stretch.  Logan shot 45% from the line - well below what he normally does.  GC lead for most of the game but couldn't get a break.  The big guy for Bates bought real estate in the paint all night long.  Consistently he stayed in the paint for 5 to 6 seconds with out a three second call.  This is the main reason why he put up good numbers.

I have to give Bates credit - they are a very good team.  I just feel that Gordon beat themselves last night.


I definitely see how they had a shot to win and blew it (1-6 from the field in overtime for one).  However that doesn't change my perception.  The fact that they led the whole game is very impressive, but just playing well enough to take Bates to OT was a success in my book.  Perhaps they could have actually pulled it out based on the way they played, but just being in this game was huge.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 09, 2007, 08:38:31 AM
Nice win for the Gulls! JOEY B!!!! Way to fly! Nemanja doin' his thing - just being the best all-around player in the CCC. Hands down! Player of the year! Done deal. Gary C. shooting the eyes out the last couple of games. Mike Sullivan is "da man" in the middle.
Keep it going boys. No let up for Saturday. My tailgate's ready for Tuesday - but only AFTER you take care of business against Nichols.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2007, 09:01:20 AM

UNE goes down to St Joe's 64-81, which could be a tournament team if they win out.  They've got an impressive record and it's much easier to get in as an independent.  Anyway, UNE got 12 from Belmonte, 11 a piece from Farynaz and Marriot and 11 rebounds from Tom Button.  Stickney played well, but he only got 20 minutes off the bench.

Nichols beat Salve 76-74.  Vallee hit a shot at the buzzer to win it for NC.  Vallee, Paquin and Riley each had 14 points and Wilcox had 17.  I can't believe this team has rebounded so well after losing their leading scorer halfway through the year.  Good job for them.  Salve continues to struggle getting 18 from Woodworth, 16 from Hazzard, 15 from Walsh and 11 boards from Grendal.  Nichols was hitting 50% all game and shot 12-23 from three.  It just seems like the SRU players aren't really that serious about these games, almost like they're phoning them in.  This team has the talent to beat just about anyone in the conference; they just don't seem to have much desire to do so.

EC over Colby-Sawyer 70-61.  CSC is running headlong for a losing season, which I think would be Foti's first since he's been there.  The CSC box score has the EC women's names with the men's stats on their site.  I wonder if there is any bad blood going on there.  CSC was led by 14 from Szeliga, 12 from Rosso, 11 from Cousins, and Murray with 10.  EC got 19 and 11 from Marinkovic, 14 from Corbett and 10 from Burgos.  EC killed Colby-Sawyer on the boards and shot almost twice as well from the floor.  Lots of extra free throws for EC as well.  Good win for them and a good chance to lock up second place up north.

RWU knocks out AMC 74-57.  Parrish got over 1,000 points in the game.  Adam Richards led AMC with 17; Nunally had 11.  RWU got 15 from Barranger and 11 from Billy Barrett.  The game was close for the first few minutes, but Roger Williams eventually pulled away by double digits and maintained the lead throughout.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2007, 09:03:12 AM

I've been hearing there are coaches really sold on Prezzie-Blue for POY because of how well his team has done despite the adversity and how consistent he's been.

I still think this is Nemanja's award, but it might not be unanimous.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 09, 2007, 11:13:09 AM
I agree. Endicott is nowhere without Mr. Double-Double!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 09, 2007, 11:57:49 AM
The same can be said without Blue, where would Wentworth be?  Probably battling out with NEC for 4th place again.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 09, 2007, 12:31:57 PM
Good win for them and a good chance to lock up second place up north. - from Hoops fan regarding Endicott's win over CSC.

If the Gulls run the table, which would include a win over Gordon Tuesday night, - what does that do to the standings and first place?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 09, 2007, 12:35:56 PM
It looks like if Endicott were to win on Tuesday against Gordon, then there would be a tie for first place.  Then all the tie-breaker situations would come into effect.  Just my prediction.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 09, 2007, 01:24:01 PM
Since tie breakers in the north come before tie breakers in the south, Gordon can all but seal the no. 1 seed with a win over CSC this Saturday. That would make GC 2-0 against them, EC would be 1-1, WIT is 0-2, and obviously, CSC is 0-2 against the Scots. Should Gordon lose Saturday, then the winner of the GC/EC game would most likey win the number 1 seed, since EC beat RWU and GC lost to them.

so we'll have a better idea after Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2007, 01:25:13 PM
Yeah, I thought about the EC winning out thing; they could still come back and surprise Gordon and take the title, but there are still too many games left to worry about tie-breakers.  Why don't we wait until after the game to delve into those?

When I said "locked up 2nd place" I guess I really meant that they locked up at least second place, which isn't mathematically true either, but whatever.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 09, 2007, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on February 09, 2007, 01:24:01 PM
Since tie breakers in the north come before tie breakers in the south, Gordon can all but seal the no. 1 seed with a win over CSC this Saturday. That would make GC 2-0 against them, EC would be 1-1, WIT is 0-2, and obviously, CSC is 0-2 against the Scots. Should Gordon lose Saturday, then the winner of the GC/EC game would most likey win the number 1 seed, since EC beat RWU and GC lost to them.

so we'll have a better idea after Saturday.

WIT is 1-1 against Endicott
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 09, 2007, 02:33:50 PM
I don't know if you meant that about my post, but I was saying WIT is 0-2 against CSC. WIT, EC, and GC are all 1-1 against each other.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 09, 2007, 03:04:37 PM
Sorry, must have gotten confused
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 09, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
Here is how the tie breakers work.  At this point Gordon holds the tie breaker.  You can do the research but, essentially Gordon would have to lose to lose to Endicott before any situation comes into play assuming Gordon takes care of business in their other games.  Hoops Fan is right this is all speculation until the games have been played.  But here is the method for breaking ties as listed on the CCC web-site.

III. TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE:
In the event of a tie at the end of regular season play, the following procedure will be used to determine seeds for the tournament:
1) Head to Head
2) Record in Division
3) Record top to bottom in division
4) Record top to bottom on other division
5) Record against non-conference common opponents
6) Overall record versus all teams with a .500 or better record
7) Coin toss ( in a three way tie using flip, "the odd toss is out leaving a head to head review of tie breaker
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2007, 05:30:00 PM

Tomorrow we've got nothing but conference games:

GC @ CSC
WIT @ SRU
NC @ EC
CC @ NEC
ENC @ RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 09, 2007, 06:34:39 PM
can someone explain to me why Marinkovic is getting so much hype right now as being the top player in the league?

While I agree he's good, Marstaller is averaging more points, steals, and blocks.  Markinkovic holds the edge in rebounding.  With Gordon's better record you would think that Marstaller would be the favorite for POY and a lock for first team all conference.

I'm not sure why Marstaller gets overlooked a lot in our league (he got robbed freshman year for ROY) but he always seems to be the dominant player on the floor when Gordon plays (including agaist Marinkovic and EC, check the stats).  I think any coach would take Marstaller over Markinkovic if they had the choice. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 09, 2007, 09:40:52 PM
He didn't get robber, he just plain lost.  Also he's on a more offensive team, so he somewhat gets overlooked by the talent around him.  Although I will agree he his better defensively.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mattapn02126 on February 09, 2007, 11:54:51 PM
I like Marstaller's game a lot, he can contribute in a lot of ways. But, when I watch Gordon play, I am always frustrated by how passive most of the guys are. I would love to see some aggresion. I dont mean starting a fight, but how about really attacking the rim or going to the glass reall hard? The point Kauffman gets into the lane pretty well, but other than that all the fellas just seem to float.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc fan13 on February 10, 2007, 01:09:51 AM
Marinkovic is by far better than Marstaller!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 10, 2007, 10:51:03 AM
great insight ccc fan 13, its nice to know that endicott is still spitting out a bunch of quality thinkers
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 10, 2007, 04:49:30 PM
Gordon wins @ CSC by 3 after trailing 17-2.  Sloppy game for Gordon on offense but they played good deffense.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 10, 2007, 07:43:30 PM
Amherst loses and ENC wins. What a crazy day.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 10, 2007, 11:49:21 PM
What happened to RWU, were they over-hyped, not as good as people thought or did they just peak to early.  It could be four north teams playing on Thursday of the conference championship.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 11, 2007, 08:10:36 AM
The Gulls beat Nichols, a game that could have been tougher if they were paying too much attention to the Gordon game on Tuesday. It was a very good effort all around.
Now I can shop for the tailgate on Tuesday -burgers anyone?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 08:35:45 AM

Before we get to the round-up, let me address that Marstaller question.  He's not going to win Player of the Year because his performance this year has been less than it was last year.  Right now, he's probably not even the best player on his team.  He's very good, but he hasn't raised his game much this year.  Gordon's got a true team, a bunch of guys all contributing on a regular basis.  It's hard to have a POY come out of that kind of system.  EC would be nothing right now without Marinkovic who is stepping up big time to keep his team winning games.  Essentially that's what it's all about.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 12, 2007, 08:44:34 AM
Marstaller last year, 14 points, 6.6 rebounds, 1.7 blocks.  This year 16.5 points, 6 rebounds, 2.2 blocks.  That looks like an improvement to me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 08:54:16 AM
Now the round-up:

GC over CSC by 59-56.  Fouriner had 14 and Trunciletto 10.  Murray had 14 boards and will now officially be called Andrew "the rebounding machine" Murray.  CSC could get 20 rebounds total and he'll still have 14 of them.  Gordon got 19 and 10 from Marstaller and 11 from Bajema, along with 7 assists from Logan.  Kauffman and Herr both came off the bench in this one.  After a pretty even first half, CSC fell off in the second and couldn't capitalize on their rebounding advantage.  GC improved their shooting and made up for their lack of boards.

Salve tops Wentworth 67-58.  Doyle had 20 and PBJ had 19.  Salve's talent finally woke up and the starting five scored all but two points in this game.  They seem to have dominated WIT, winning the rebounding battle and getting to the line 20 times more.  Woodworth had 18, Grendal, Hazzard and Wirth each had 12 and Goodridge got 11 to go with 5 assists.  The WIT bigs were forced to throw it back out to the guards, who played well, but not enough to compete in this one.

Endicott kicked the crap out of Nichols 101-72.  I didn't think EC had a hundred point game in them against anyone, but they sure scored well here.  NC got 13 from Wilcox and 12 from Vallee as they had to rely on their bench for the bulk of the scoring.  EC got 12 from Marinkovic, 14 a piece from Burton and Sullivan and 11 from Corbett.  Their bench got emptied as well.  EC shot 65% from the floor, 50% from three and went to the FT line 36 times.  They dominated the boards and led by 23 at the half.  This was a big statement from them.

Curry tops NEC 93-85.  Jaziri had 25, Sylvia came back for this one with 21 and 10 off the bench.  Evans and Quinn had 11 a piece, Quinn also had 7 assists.  Curry came together in a scary way.  Jones had 25, Brittian had 21.  Bowers got 23 and 11 and Mastrullo had 14.  Curry went 12-19 from three and went to the line a ton, not to mention a big rebounding advantage.  NEC once again scored well, but their defense was suspect.

And the big story of the weekend (big enough to get a mention on the front page of d3hoops.com) ENC over Roger Williams 71-63, in Rhode Island!  Which means likely no one from ENC actually saw what might be their only victory this year.  Jean-Noel led ENC with 23.  Jasmin had 17 and 10, and Andrew Brown had 11.  Duda got 11 boards.  RWU got 15 from Barranger, 13 from Gumb and 12 each from Barrett and Camobreco.  ENC won the rebounding battle 39-23 and actually hit free throws down the stretch.  ENc's shooting was still off from deep, but the FT's and rebounding were apparently enough to get a win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on February 12, 2007, 08:44:34 AM
Marstaller last year, 14 points, 6.6 rebounds, 1.7 blocks.  This year 16.5 points, 6 rebounds, 2.2 blocks.  That looks like an improvement to me.

2.5ppg and half a block is barely any growth in numbers and nothing when you factor in the schedule is easier this year.  I'm not knocking him; he's a great player and a good contributor for GC, but he just didn't become the POY caliber player he could have been this year.  I don't think he or anyone else will care, especially if GC gets back to the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 12, 2007, 09:03:49 AM
Nemanja 13.3 ppg 8.7 rebounds-freshman, 12.8ppg 8 rebounds-sophomore, 13.8ppg 8.7 rebounds-junior, 13.3ppg 8.7 rebounds-this year. 

I am not saying based on stats Marstaller should be the POY versus Nemanja but if your argument is elevating ones game Marstaller has shown improvement Nemanja has remained steady.  If your vote for POY is based on elevating ones game PBJ should be the winner.  But I like POY to be the best player from the best team, so that would be Marstaller, he is the most consistent player on the Gordon squad although Logan has had a great year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 09:12:00 AM

Marinkovic's numbers are a bit skewed by the non-conference season.  He's averaging 16 and 10 in conference games and shooting 50%, which amounts to 20% of his team's points and 25% of their rebounds.  He's stepped it up big time during CCC play, that's why I give him the nod, although Prezzie-Blue would probably be a worthy vote as well.  I'm still inclined to give it to the guy who is clearly the one responsible for his team winning games.  The other guys both get good support from other places.  That's just me, though.  I understand other people see it other ways.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 12, 2007, 12:06:24 PM
The debate seems to be more about the difference between"POY" and "MVP". In this conference, the names seem to come down to Marstaller, Prezzie-Blue and Marinkovic. You have to make the choice between a best player/highest stats guy (POY) or the person whose stats and impact had the biggest impact on the team's season.
For this posting alone, I will stay neutral.
There is the very real possibility that your Player of the Year and the conference Most Valuable Player could be two (or more) different people. Decide which you are in favor of, then make your case. I'll let you know what I think later.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 12:07:34 PM

If you go by the numbers, honestly, you have to give the award to Ryan Jaziri, but I doubt any of us would argue for him to pick it up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 12, 2007, 12:50:40 PM
But I like POY to be the best player from the best team, so that would be Marstaller, he is the most consistent player on the Gordon squad although Logan has had a great year.

This posting from Maq Diesel makes the point I was hoping for. MVP or POY - you still need another guy or two to make things happen. Jordan had Pippen, Shaq has DWade etc. Marstaller is a very good player, but he's not putting those numbers up without another "inside/outside" option. Logan is his Pippen.
Marinkovic has his too - I think it's Gary Corbett. Now that Corbett is being recognized as a shooter, the other teams can't lay off on Nemanja and he's gone crazy with the double doubles!
If Marstaller or Marinkovic win it, they ought to spring for dinner, cause they didn't do it alone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: gullfan on February 12, 2007, 12:50:40 PM
But I like POY to be the best player from the best team, so that would be Marstaller, he is the most consistent player on the Gordon squad although Logan has had a great year.

This posting from Maq Diesel makes the point I was hoping for. MVP or POY - you still need another guy or two to make things happen. Jordan had Pippen, Shaq has DWade etc. Marstaller is a very good player, but he's not putting those numbers up without another "inside/outside" option. Logan is his Pippen.
Marinkovic has his too - I think it's Gary Corbett. Now that Corbett is being recognized as a shooter, the other teams can't lay off on Nemanja and he's gone crazy with the double doubles!
If Marstaller or Marinkovic win it, they ought to spring for dinner, cause they didn't do it alone.

So what you're saying then is that it should come down to Luc Jasmin and Quincy Nunnally, who are doing quite a bit with no help at all?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 12, 2007, 03:05:34 PM
I don't have a problem with those choices if you can make the case strong enough. If it is "player of the year" then it's a numbers thing. If it's "most valuable player" you go with impact! That's what I'm saying.
But even the numbers guys get are not always a way to judge their own talents because other guys contribute to the total team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 03:16:57 PM

I don't think you have to make that distinction.  It's all just semantics.  Coaches vote however they feel and I'm sure some feel one way and others feel differently.  There is no definition of the award.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 12, 2007, 05:29:15 PM
I think it'll really come down to Prezzie-Blue, Marstaller, and Marinkovic.  All three have lead their teams to their respective standings.  Some may argue that WIT has over-acheived and that Marstaller has a great support system.  The coaches have a real tough one this year.  It will most likely come down to how teams/players perform down the strech and into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 05:39:39 PM

And, if history is any indication, coaches often vote for the guy who played the best against them, so it could all be subjective anyway.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 12, 2007, 05:46:29 PM
I'd like to support my team's player, if that's possible without losing anymore karma...

I don't think you could knock a player because of his support cast. St. Clair had Bray and Thorpe to compliment him and still won it. He was a dominant player, but that should tell you that you can win it with numbers.

We've already been over Marstaller's numbers, 16.5 and 6 with 2.1 blocks per game. But if you want to talk about elevating your game -- Marstaller made 9 3PT's last year on 30 percent. This year he's sank 25 on 44 percent. It makes him that much more complete.

On the other end, people always knock Marinkovic for his lack of defense. He has 20 steals and 3 blocks. Marstaller -- 39 steals and 47 blocks. I know there is more to defense than those stats, but Marstaller just put up 7 blocks in a game decided by 3 points, that was most likely the most important game of the year.

It's not fair to knock Marstaller by saying he has support. The fact that he scores in spite of those players make him that much better. Imagine what he would do on EC or WIT.

That being said, this is just for argument sake. Blue and Marinkovic are both great players, but Marstaller should get some respect too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle23 on February 12, 2007, 07:30:50 PM
Calling....CCC Fan and anEC Fan....its rivalry week baby and we bout to see the gulls roll on gc. Let's get the banter going. Start it up get fired up!!!!! If james bartelle were here he would get fired up as well, he is a competitor (and poster) and so are my gulls.  Let the talk begin.. Please Jim Rome if you were ever to weigh in on any game...please come back to the board. Bartelle if you are out there....everyone needs some AND 1 insight into this game...please post. If roy Williams, marv and 24/7 365 would come to the table we need their pathetic insights regarding the GC faithful and other frivolous comments (just to make this interesting). This game is for the #1 seed in the north....get amped!!! With the inside outside combination posted ever so gracefully by my boy gull fan. GC will not be able to stop the Marinkovic/ Corbett duo.
Inviting everyone to the Battle of Exit 17
This game will come down to whether or not Gary C shows up or not. If he does and he shoots lights out. game over. Goodbye scots you will be known as the grapevine shame. 

CORBETT FOR POY!
The prophet has spoken.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ccc fan13 on February 12, 2007, 09:15:53 PM
Marinkovic in CCC this year: 16.1 points (6th), 10.8 rebounds (3rd), 3.17 assists (6th), .753 percent free throws (11th), steals 1.33 (13th), Assist/Turnover ratio (7th), 3.67 offensive rebounds (2nd), 7.08 defensive rebounds (3rd)

Marstaller in CCC this year: 15.8 points (7th), 6.1 rebounds (14th), Field goal percentage (3rd), 2 steals (7th), three point shooting (9th), 2. 31 blocks a game (2nd), 5.23 defensive rebounds (8th).

Marinkovic much better in CCC, and that is more relevant stat to look at since EC plays much harder schedule during the year than GC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 12, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
Alright it is rivalry week and it is time to speak.  First thing first though.  I am a friend of Gary Corbett and I just want to go on record saying that Gsmizzle23 is not him by any means.  He has no need to write on this site or to hype himself up.  However I definitely love the enthusiasm, just making sure Corbett's actions on the court speak for himself and that people know he doesn't need to write on here.

Marinkovic is definitely a monster.  I have not watched any Gordon games this year, but I do watch EC all the time.  When Marinkovic was struggling early in the season, the entire team suffered.  But when he has stepped it up recently they've been playing better all around.  He has had a great great career here at EC, scoring well over 1,000 points, among other personal stats. He definitely deserves mention for POY.

Another big player for EC who doesn't get a lot of credit is the big man Sully.  He is a vocal leader out there on the court, directing people around if needed.  He is also a high percentage shooter, and gets the boards that Marinkovic does not get.  He is definitely a great captain for EC and deserves that honor.

The game tomorrow is going to be huge.  I have a feeling EC will be more amped up simply because they lost to Gordon at Gordon while their fans were there and EC was not back in session.  I don't know why they scheduled it like this, but with a huge crowd behind them, and a potential Burgos dunk or two, the place will be rockin behind our Gulls.

I also take offense to all or atleast a majority of the Gordon posers up there... I mean posters, my bad.  I recall a couple pages ago someone said something about I guess thats what an EC education gets you, in reference to someone saying Marinkovic for POY.  Sorry we don't go through and get all the stats and spend all day on this site trying to hype up our team.  I just think we have better things to do.  I also love the excuses by Gordon after tough losses at Bates...they just beat themselves. They lost it, the refs lost it. Man up and take the Loss. A loss is a loss, now get over it.

That said, I'm sure I started some sort of controversy but whatever, its almost time for CCC playoffs baby, this is what it's all about. I can't wait to be in that gym tomorrow night. See you all there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 12, 2007, 11:05:12 PM
Firstly, I will take ownership for the Bates loss, we lost it we could beat their zone in OT and the beat us.  But they beat us by 8 not 39 like they did EC but that is beside the point.  Secondly, as for gsmizzel23 I highly doubt people would think that it is Gary Corbet, on the other hand Gullfan, I don't know who you are but you are all up on Corbet, are you him or is he paying you to rep him whats the deal, read his past posts and tell me I am he does not LOVE Corbet more than he merrits.  I mean Corbet is a good player and is much better than I would like to give him credit for.  What he is to Endicott is a crowd please/quieter.  Every time GC and EC play he drops some threes that either quiet the PIT or fire up the Gull faithful.  Thirdly, I agree with ECfan that the scheduling need to be changed to play both games while both schools are in session.  I mean these games are the best things going in the CCC and playing in front of a half a crowd doesn't do the rivalry justice.  Fourthly, the game tomorrow is going to be huge and a ton of fun, it would be fun to get a decimal meter in The post tomorrow night.  About to go to bed to rest of for tomorrow night.  Gullfan throw and extra burger on the grill for me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 13, 2007, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: anECfan on February 12, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
He has no need to write on this site or to hype himself up. 

Actually he's done that a few times already.

In response to your other points...

Sullivan – yes, a high percentage shooter, but you shouldn't know that, because Endicott fans don't go through and get all the stats. Except ccc fan 13, who has time to compare Marstaller/Marinkovic conference numbers. Or gullFan, who finds time in between a rigorous class schedule to post multiple times in one day. I guess Endicott fans do "go through and get all the stats and spend all day on this site trying to hype up our team." Maybe you don't have better thins to do.

And I believe AJ's post about Edicott posting intelligent comments came after ccc fan 13 said "Marinkovic is by far better than Marstaller!" – no numbers, just a really, really good point.

Speaking of really, really good points, thank you for saying Marinkovic is a mention for Player of the Year. No one else has brought up his name yet.

Finally, why would Corbett come on here and post those things? He's just trying to start trouble I guess. We'll see tomorrow night (PS -- if Gordon loses, I'm blaming it on the refs, because they're too good to lose for real).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on February 13, 2007, 01:14:04 AM
What is up Clonesssssss

Its Rivalry Week in the CCC....out freaking standing.

I had the look of Reche Caldwell going through the scores and seeing that Eastern Naz had rolled up like that on Roger Williams.....rack Edsen

Do you hear that clones....it's the sound of Anna Maria, Eastern Naz, UNE and NEC backing up the truck for next year.....but that dosnt mean that Jaziri can't drop 65 points on Wentworth tommorow .....HIBACHI

.....*shuffles papers*.....

I've had just about enough smack between EC and Gordon.....first Gordon fan is all "Marstalller wahhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhh wahhhhhh" then Endicott fan is all "Nemanja....Wwahhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhh wahhhhh" then they break out their stats...let's be 100% serious....outside of the northshore's outfreakingstanding roast beef places I dont much value the opinions from up there....objectivly speaking I think I'd go with Marinkovich cuz if you took him off the Gulls things would get realllly ugly. Also I kinda hope Marstaller gets it, just so we don't have to hear crying from Wenhem for the next 16 years about it, they're still crying about him not being rookie of the year 2 years ago....end it...

Also I gotta pass some love along to Sherrad Prezzie-Blue.....dude never gets called by his right name on this board....merits mentioning that still dosn't give any excuse for them getting worked on the glass on saturday by Salve Regina.....Salve Regina is going to win a conference tourny game....they just are....rack that.

We have open phones this hour, in the 3rd hour we'll be talking to Josh Oxton about being strong....

Lastly Clones, the GC-EC is getting a ton of run as usual, it reminds me a lot of hell week when the raiders play the chargers....I'm just waiting for some brain dead EC fan with a GPA of 1.7 in swimming pool managment to call up and say something smart like "Gordon sucks, gulls rule GOODNIGHT NOW!" then some beard wearing bible studying aquafina drinking GC fan will crack back with something like "god loves us, gull fans are stupid, hooray" and this will be an endless cycle of madness.....I'm putting a stop to it right now. This is a zero tolerance smack off. I'd rather hear some Curry smack or even *gulp* Nichols Bison smack then listen to GC fan and EC fan take run after run at each other.

If I had to make a pick I'd take Gordon by 6, just too strong for the gulls. Also in all the POY talk where is Jerry Logan....that dude is good.

anyways clones thanks for the time, I'll be back to the board shortly to weigh in on the playoffs and give a slingbox to Bill Foti

I am out.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 13, 2007, 01:35:13 AM
Finally, why would Corbett come on here and post those things? He's just trying to start trouble I guess. We'll see tomorrow night (PS -- if Gordon loses, I'm blaming it on the refs, because they're too good to lose for real)

Ya great point seeing how he doesn't come on here and post things or try to start something.  Which is what was stated beforehand but you ignored it or couldn't understand the plain simple English.

Thanks for making fun of me for bringing up Marinkovic for POY...it hasn't been mentioned yet. Kind of like you Gordon people bringing up your players in every single post?  That hasn't been brought up before?  I thought this was a posting site where we compare players and stats...isn't that what we've all been doing comparing players and why they may or may not win POY? Sorry you took offense to a paragraph saying what Marinkovic has done for EC. I meant nothing by it.

I'm taking EC by double digits.  They have been playing better as of late, and with the home crowd behind them, and one of the last home games of the season, they are all fired up.  It's Gordon-EC so it's going to be a tough battle, but I just think the crowd will carry EC and the players will respond.  We will have a crowd behind them as opposed to when they went to Gordon and lost by 4 with all of your fans there, and we had a couple parents in the stands. Way to go Gordon!!!! EC by 10 plus.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 13, 2007, 01:46:16 AM
ToMac Diesel - I am what it says I am - a Gullfan! As for being Gary Corbett, I'm not,but i do appreciate his game. He works his ass off on the court and is there every night to do what needs to be done. He plays some of the toughest in your face defense in the CCC. Don't believe me, ask Cain at WPI, Valley at Nichols or your own Scots. If they're honest they'll tell you. Hoops fan was stroking Nunnallyfrom AMC earlier - had 2(!) with Corbett in his grill.
Do I think he's POY material - no. But there isn't a team in the CCC that wouldn't love having him (even in Wenham). But I'm thinking he's happy in Gull land.
Another person whose throwing props to Mike Sullivan - finally. Thank you "anECfan". He is as solid a player and leader as you could want . Sully is a beast in the paint and there are bruises up and down the CCC to prove it. All with then sweetest foul ine jumper too!!!!!
AnECfan, come by the grill - the first "burgos" are on me! I like the double digits forcast. I'll be happy with half of it. See you tonight!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2007, 11:27:49 AM

I'm beginning to think our own Jim Rome impersonator might be a past CCC point guard.  The nice (but misspelled) reference to Edson and Oxton signify someone who was around a few years back.


Hmmm
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2007, 11:31:50 AM

Tonight's Match-ups:

NEC @ WIT
CC @ ENC
CSC @ UNE
GC @ EC
SRU @ AMC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 13, 2007, 11:58:53 AM
Hoops Fan,

How do you think GC will do tonight?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2007, 12:42:21 PM

I have no idea.  Both teams went into the last match-up off their games and both played out of their minds.  I see no way to predict what is going to happen.

EC has certainly been playing better, but if both teams step up like last time, it's going to come down to the wire.

I'm hesitant to pick Gordon, but the certainly seem the more capable side.  This one's a true rivalry game; it's a toss up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 13, 2007, 12:49:32 PM
 I agree with Hoop fan! This EC/GC game is too close to call. Should be rocking in the Post tonight. Get there early or you'll be looking throught the glass! This is NC/Duke for the CCC. Gotta love it.
Tought to call but there will be enough emotion on both sides. Let's hope the players and fans keep it together and let a classic battle happens. Being snow bound on campus on Wednesday - having a win for the Gulls would make it sweet.
Gotta go now. Need to pick up the final supplies for the tailgate. Coals are lit in 2 hours!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 13, 2007, 01:43:16 PM
I just hope for GC that they will bring their A game tonight.  I have been following them for years now and it seems like they always come up short in the second game against EC and CSC (although not this year).  I know they are capable but they need to want it and realize that nothing will be given to them.  One other note - GC has been horrible from the line this year.  If they don't hit their free throws, EC will win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2007, 02:37:42 PM

Taking a break from the trash talking.  Here are some CCCers on the national leaderboards:


Ryan Jaziri, NEC is 14th in scoring at 22.6ppg and 15th with 88.1% on FTs

Justin Woodworth, SRU is sitting at 46th with 2.9 threes per game and 50th at 40.5% from deep

Antoine Sylvia, NEC is just edging Ryan Murray, CSC in rebounding; they're 7th and 8th in the country at 11.1 and 11.0rpg respectively.

Sylvia is also 13th in blocked shots with 2.5bpg

Jon Marstaller, GC is 21st in blocks at 2.1bpg

Chris Goodridge, SRU is 11th in steals at 2.9spg



Isaac Stickney, UNE is 38th at 9.6rpg
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 13, 2007, 04:02:31 PM
And Prezzie-Blue is 56th in the natio in scoring with 19.2 a game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2007, 04:03:16 PM

I guess I missed that.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 13, 2007, 10:07:02 PM
Gordon lost by 1 @ Endicott.  EC had a 4 point play with 0.5 seconds left to win it.  I will say more in a few after I cool off a little.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 13, 2007, 10:16:30 PM
 First of all, props to both teams. THAT was what College ball is all about. There isn't a D1 game that could give you more to yell about. In my eyes Endicott won, with .5 seconds (as opposed to Maq Diesel's Gordon lost viewpoint). Todd Burton hits a falling down three and is hit for the foul. Tie game. Time out Gordon! Burton steps to the line and nets the free throw. Endicott is up one. Gordon in bounds, length of the court pass is deflected - GAME ENDICOTT!!!!!!! By the way it was the first time the Gulls had the lead all night!
I'm glad I can post this cause I've got no voice left. More later!

Oh by the way - TODD BURTON FOR PRESIDENT and Nemanja just slammed the door shut on player of the year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 13, 2007, 10:22:55 PM
Sorry gullfan,  Endicott won, I was posting as a Gordon fan, so reporting on how they faired.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 13, 2007, 11:24:02 PM
Personally, I think the biggest factor in the game was not Todd bleepin' Burton's 4 point play (although it was impressive/flashbacks to GC/NC), but the fact that with 6:00 left, EC came back from a 11 point deficit. It seemed like they were out of it, but, they got the job done at both ends of the court.

and wouldn't you know it, the game was determined by a foul. Those refs....

No, but really I couldn't see the play from the GC section, so I don't know.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 14, 2007, 02:44:11 AM
Wow what a great game, it was all that anyone hoped it would be.   Burton ties it up with .5 seconds left and takes the lead for the first time in the game. It sucks that Whitelaw was on the line for the what would have been the tying three.  It was a great game.  The refs made questionable calls on both sides of the ball so this could not be counted as a factor in the win.  The fact that Marinkovic played really well, or in terms of rebounds and scoring he did well, kind of summed up his POY I think.

I still can't believe Burton hit that three...that should have or should have not happened, and I'm leaninng towards not happening. Wow.... can't wait till playoffs.


anECfan-. wow what a game
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 14, 2007, 08:33:12 AM
A few thoughts...in the words of Ricky Bobby, "yeah that just happened."

-There is no way if you told me that Nemanja had a 24 points I would have believed you I would have said 15 or so tops.  I guess that is what he does.  I thought Joey B had better game but stats don't lie. 

-Gordon out played Gordon for a total of about 32 minutes, a few in the middle and the last five but that was all Endicott needed.

-dwebbs, marstaller fouled Burton no doubt about it, but why in the world do you foul.

-Jerry Logan had possession of the ball going out of bounds and called a time out and that bald reff, at half court, made a call that wasn't his to make, he did it all night and made bad calls against both teams but this was a big one.  I hate all reffs because the vast majority don't know the rules and have no back bone and show up at games wanting to be the star of the show and the crew last night tried but Burton stole that honor.  a note to reffs you are not the center piece of the games, don't try to be, the best reffs go unnoticed.  They made terrible calls all night against both sides and I cannot stand it any more.

-Essentially Endicott just did what the were supposed to do, win a home game.  The good thing for Gordon is that if they win out they still get to play the playoffs at home.  So that just make the rest of the week even bigger for both teams.  And I would take Gordon's schedule (Anna Maria and UNE both at home) over Endicott's (At NEC and Salve at home) but I have a feeling both teams are going to take care of whats in front of them.  I so hope that EC comes to GC on the 24th of February for the CCC championship game that would be epic.

-gullfan, why no props for Corbet?  Bad shooting night and for as much as you hype his defense he spent the night switching defenders, and was typically on a short guard and only because he had 4 inches and 40 pounds on them.  He is there last defensive option and got abused by Gordon's post guys.  And as for Cain from WPI, I asked him and he said he love to play Corbet every night, he did of course drop 30 on Endicott the night Corbet was all over him.

-Either way I got more the my monies worth last night, I am pissed and mostly because I know how good a win like that feels, see Nichols @ Gordon 2006.  I hoping Gordon takes care of business this week and throughout the playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 08:45:40 AM

You foul on the three with the opponent three down because most of the time you foul hard enough that the shot has no chance and you make them earn it on the FT line.  Not something I'd call every time, but something I'd think about.  The issue is letting the shot get off anyway.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 09:02:48 AM
Round Up!

WIT 87, NEC 75.  NEC got 23 from Jaziri and Evans went for 24 and 11.  It seems like pick your poison night for WIT.  They effectively shut down Sylvia, but allowed Evans to score.  Nevertheless it worked just fine.  PBJ makes his case for POY with 27 and 6 assists; Doyle had 23 with 5 assists.  Gaine had 14 with 6 assists (can you see a pattern; these guys really like playing together) and Bynes went for 13 and 10 with 5 blocks.  NEC was up at the half, but Wentworth poured it on in the second half and pulled away.  WIT earned this one with good play.  They'll be a tough out, especially in third seed.

Curry takes the other backyard brawl over ENC 84-75.  Jasmin had 18, Noel had 15 and Seaberg had 10.  Alex Brown had 7 assists for ENC.  There is some talent emerging in Quincy, perhaps this new coach can work some magic over the summer and put together a respectable squad next year?  Curry got 20 and 12 from Bowers, 16 with 5 assists from Jones, and 14 a piece from Mastrullo and Brittian.  ENC played really well, shooting and defending, but came up just short.  It seems like that win got some pressure off of them and allowed them to play a littler freer.

UNE in another home upset over Colby-Sawyer 73-67.  What is it about Biddeford?  CSC got 22 from Rosso, 14 from Chaloux, 12 from Cousins and 10 boards from Murray.  UNE was led by 20 from Farynaz, 17 and 15 from Stickney, 15 from Floyd and 12 points 7 assists from Belmonte.  Tom Button had 13 boards.  If only they could have put this kind of game together earlier in the season, they might have challenged for a playoff spot.  CSC went 5-26 from deep and won the TO battle 8-25.  Yes, they had 17 less turnovers and lost the game.  That might be a record.  UNE got 23-39 from the FT line and totally dominated the boards.

EC with the one point win over Gordon 62-61.  We know how it ended.  Kauffman had 12 with 5 assists, Schnack had 11, Logan and Marstaller had 10 each.  EC was led by Nemanja's 24, Burgos had 13 and Burton had 11 with 6 assists.  The numbers were back and forth.  EC won the rebounding battle, Gordon had more threes.  Sounds like another great one.  By the way, this is the point where I officially announce that Coach of the Year is no longer a one horse race.  Where I thought Tom Devitt at Wentworth had it locked up, Millette now enters the race.  If EC win the regular season title again, with this team, I thinks it's got to be his award.  This is an unbelievable performance he's getting out of these guys.

Salve picked up AMC 71-60.  No box score.  I don't really care.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 14, 2007, 09:12:30 AM
Great game last night (GC-EC).  I have to give EC a lot of credit for coming back from an 11 point deficit.  One other note:  Why was Marstaller in on the last play?  If they get the three pointer, it goes to over time.  John had three fouls at the time.  Why give him the opportunity to pick up another one with 5 seconds left.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 09:24:27 AM
Playoff update:

North
GC is in the driver's seat; if they don't lose, they win the conference.  Third and fourth are set.  (UNE and NEC are still duking it out for 5th.)

1. Gordon 11-3 (UNE and AMC, both at home) - Gordon has all the tiebreakers
2. Endicott 11-3 (at NEC and home vs SRU)
3. Wentworth 9-5 (at CC, at ENC)
4. Colby-Sawyer 8-8

South
This one is tight and nothing is set besides who's in.  Curry has all the tiebreakers with RWU, so if they end up with the same record, Curry wins the conference.  However, if Curry loses both remaining games and either Nichols or Salve wins out, it gets interesting.  Curry beats Nichols is a tiebreaker, but loses to SRU.  However, in the event of a three way tie, Nichols would take second place, with Salve third and Curry fourth.

So,

RWU (10-5) can finish either first or second (if tied with Curry)
Curry (9-5) can finish first, second, third or fourth.
Nichols (7-7) can finish second, third or fourth.
Salve (7-7) can finish second, third or fourth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 14, 2007, 10:00:08 AM
As of last night, the POY looks like it will come down to Marinkovic and Prezzie-Blue.  It didn't help Martstaller to foul in the key situation towards the end coupled with the lack of offensive power.  Although the edge seems to lean towards Marinkovic, I still feel Blue deserves some serious consideration.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 10:14:47 AM

I can't see one team sweeping both awards.  Either Wentworth or Endicott is getting Coach of the Year and the other one is getting Player of the Year.  That's just my thought.


Anyone want to nominated some rookies?  The coaches don't like to give it to transfers, even though they are technically eligible (Brittian and Bowers would be the only ones with any outside shot).

Spratling at AMC; Rosso at CSC; Mastrullo at Curry; Bajema and Trigg at GC; Evans at NEC; Wilcox, Paquin and Riley at NC (can we vote for a group?); Laughton at RWU; Wirth at Salve.

Brittian and Bowers at Curry are both transfers, but I don't think either will get it.

I might have to give it to Rosso, although I'm not totally sold.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 14, 2007, 10:34:29 AM
I like Bajema from Gordon, his game reminds me of Goodridge from Salve.  However, it's probably going to hurt him that Trigg is on his team has just as good of a chance to win it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 10:42:22 AM

Yeah, this is the first time in a while the conference hasn't had a (or more than one) stand-out freshmen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 14, 2007, 10:54:21 AM
I have not see a freshman play well against Gordon this year other that Whitelaw last night.  So it is tough for me to have a qualified opinion on the other rookies.  Not trying to be a Gordon homer but let me make a case for Bajema.  He has had a bigger impact over the conference schedule.  Although he is averaging 5.4 point a game it is more like 8.5 and he has been dishing out assists early.  That being said Trigg was huge early.   If I were a coach I would give it to Trigg and Bajema together that have done a lot for Gordon's back court, they have played above average defense and have been a big part of helping Gordon to be in 1st place (tied).    But that is just one man's opinion.  Gordon has a bright future this freshman class is very good and only two of them are playing.  The two big men might be the best players in the class.  They will be special during their time here, awards or not, I know that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 10:58:32 AM

If you're going to give it to more than one player, you have to give it to the trio at Nichols.  They were virtually invisible before Christmas and then fully stepped into Lewis' place when he left the team.

Honestly, I'm guessing it will be either Rosso or Bajema.  No one else has been all that consistent.  Maybe Evans, but it's not like NEC did much this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 14, 2007, 10:59:40 AM
Hey Maq Diesel,
First of all, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Had an night class with professors Daniels and Koch. They let us out VERY late!!!!!!!
My props go to the whole team. Corbett didn't have a great offensive game, but he was a big player in the win. Big rebounds, assists and again doing a lot of the little things that make a TEAM successful. If you go just by points you will often overlook someone having a good game.
As for being abused by your bigmen, ask Marstaller why he ended up with ONLY 10 points. You dis Corbett and your stud goes dud and not a word. Maybe some of the defensive switches you moaned about actually WORK!!!!!!!!
You say you know Cain and spoke to him -did he forget that he had 6 in the first half while Corbett was on him. Yeah he went for 29 or so, but the second half changes, matchups etc. had other combinations.This is why reading a stat sheet as your only source of info shows you don't fully understand how complex the game is.
I always try to stay positive here - nobody wins a trash talk war. Focus on the game , the effort and your knowledge base. It makes formore interesting chat.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 11:01:04 AM

Exhibit A for not posting while hungover.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 11:02:03 AM

By the way, doable wins by Wentworth, Nichols and Salve take us one step closer to a three-way tie for second in the South.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 14, 2007, 01:10:42 PM
I'm still trying to recap last night's game. Just an awesome event.

I have a few things to say as usual.  I don't know how people can judge Corbett's performance simply on shooting.  Ya he didn't shoot well, ya he turned the ball over once or twice, but let's remember a few things that he did do. He hit a huge three late in the second half to bring EC within 1 I think.  He also hit a deep three earlier in the half.  He had a few big boards towards the end.  He was also the one who passed to Burton in the corner.  So no he didn't shoot well, but he made a few big plays.

Marinkovic's numbers might not look great, he took was 11-20, finishing with 24, 7, and 4 with also 5 turnovers .  But this Serbian sensation will not let these guys lose.  He makes the big plays when they need to be done. He gets the big boards, the big lay ups, and rarely shoots outside anymore. For those of you who were in attendance, how can you forget that huge and 1 play late in the second half during the come back?  That was unbelievable.  He ended up pounding the floor and then getting the student section into it.  He just brings great things to this team, and as I said, will not let the team lose.

Was anyone else impressed by Burgo's athletic ability?  He missed his first three shots mainly because he couldn't decide whether or not to throw it down or lay it up.  Unfortunately he tried to lay it up.  He was also guarding a point guard or shooting guard for most of the game and I feel this took those guys out of the game.  He was also demanding the ball knowing he had a mismatch.  You gotta love that.

I also want to give props to the Gordon point guard number 24.  He had a great game. Some timely shots, quick couple steps, and some good moves.  He definitely kept the team in the game.  The freshman number 4 also hit a huge three in the corner over Burgos(still don't know how).  Definitely a game for the ages.

I have a feeling that these two will meet in the playoffs for the third and final time this season.  How could this series get any better this year?

CCC playoffs are right around the corner....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 01:16:22 PM
Just thought I'd repost this.  It's getting kinda far down.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 14, 2007, 09:24:27 AM
Playoff update:

North
GC is in the driver's seat; if they don't lose, they win the conference.  Third and fourth are set.  (UNE and NEC are still duking it out for 5th.)

1. Gordon 11-3 (UNE and AMC, both at home) - Gordon has all the tiebreakers
2. Endicott 11-3 (at NEC and home vs SRU)
3. Wentworth 9-5 (at CC, at ENC)
4. Colby-Sawyer 8-8

South
This one is tight and nothing is set besides who's in.  Curry has all the tiebreakers with RWU, so if they end up with the same record, Curry wins the conference.  However, if Curry loses both remaining games and either Nichols or Salve wins out, it gets interesting.  Curry beats Nichols is a tiebreaker, but loses to SRU.  However, in the event of a three way tie, Nichols would take second place, with Salve third and Curry fourth.

So,

RWU (10-5) can finish either first or second (if tied with Curry)
Curry (9-5) can finish first, second, third or fourth.
Nichols (7-7) can finish second, third or fourth.
Salve (7-7) can finish second, third or fourth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 14, 2007, 02:52:32 PM
I don't see how any of Endicott's arguments for Corbett make the case that he's a great player. Yes, he hit two threes in the second half (which happened to be his only points of the game), but he also missed a three late in the half. No one from Gordon has said Kaufman is a great player, but he also hit two clutch threes in the second. Corbett had some big rebounds, ok, but lots of people get rebounds. And the pass to Burton is something that just happened (I'm surprised he didn't take it himself). 1. It's not like he found Burton wide open for three, the play was made by Burton, Corbett had nothing to do with it. 2. In the four point play by Mike Herr last year vs. Nichols, no one said anything about Kaufman passing him the ball. It just happened.

So while Corbett is a good player off the bench, there is nothing about his that makes him spectacular. The only reason we talk about him on this board and the Gordon fans taunt him, is because he posted on this board last year. And for that, I guess Endicott fans feel the need to defend him.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 14, 2007, 03:33:21 PM
 Just to hopefully clear the air -nobody has ever said Gary Corbett was a "great" player. No nominations for POY or MVP. I have only said what I've said because I appreciate the hard work that has to be done, that often goes unnoticed ,for a team to be successful. He's had some good scoring nights and nights where he hasn't scored at all. but that doesn't stop him from diving for loose balls, taking the hits in the middle etc.
I just want to say again that I am not him, I guess he had an issue last year. In fact I don't even think he knows me. I'm just a basketball fan that watches the game for more than the high scorers.
Last night was a great game, a fantastic win and a real experience to be part of!! My voice will be back soon, hopefully by the 24th when if the BBall Gods permit -REMATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 14, 2007, 03:53:52 PM
That would certainly be interesting to that rematch any night.  The playoffs this year should be really fun to watch although the South seems to be a bit weaker once again.  Although standing still need to be determined for the South, I still like Wentworth's and Colby-Sawyer's chances against any team in the South.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 14, 2007, 05:48:19 PM
If the seeding stays the same in the south, Thursday nights game between WIT and Curry will be replayed Tuesday in the first round of the playoffs. That is certainly a game WIT can win.

CSC over the U though, that's a stretch. Although, ENC beating them was a stretch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 05:56:55 PM

The South is anything but decided.  We have to wait at least until Friday to speculate on the playoff matchups.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: chicken marstaller on February 14, 2007, 06:04:03 PM
Now that everything has been said about Gordon/Endicott/Corbett, there is an award that i would like to nominate Endicott for. I think that they are the hands down winner for the "Worst Warm-Up Mix" award. There isnt much else to say, if you were there you know what im saying.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 06:21:25 PM
Quote from: chicken marstaller on February 14, 2007, 06:04:03 PM
Now that everything has been said about Gordon/Endicott/Corbett, there is an award that i would like to nominate Endicott for. I think that they are the hands down winner for the "Worst Warm-Up Mix" award. There isnt much else to say, if you were there you know what im saying.

These are the kinds of awards we really need to be giving out.


Thanks to the recent play by Nick "Rip Van Winkle" Farynaz, Brandon Parrish is far and away the winner of my first ever Senior who misplaced his freshman promise or "Incredible Fading Man" award.


Brandon Parrish was the best Freshman guard in the conference during the 2003-2004 season, falling short by a few votes to a young Nemanja Marinkovic for Rookie of the Year.  He averaged 12 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists per game while leading the conference in FG%.  He made Third Team All Conference and was instrumental in Roger Williams' 10-6 regular season record and 2nd place finish in the South Division.

Since then, well, he's been slowly fading.  His numbers have been declining slightly and slowly and he's become less and less of a factor for RWU.  While he's put in good minutes and certainly contributed, Brandon Parrish has the done the most to make a notable freshman year a distant memory.  We congratulate him.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2007, 09:03:01 AM

Tonight:

CSC hosts Lesley
EC @ NEC
WIT @ CC
RWU @ NC
AMC @ GC
ENC @ SRU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 15, 2007, 09:04:12 AM
We should call theses awards the "Coasties."  We have given out two thus far, worst warm up mix and hoops Rip Van award.  I gotta try to think of one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2007, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on February 15, 2007, 09:04:12 AM
We should call theses awards the "Coasties."  We have given out two thus far, worst warm up mix and hoops Rip Van award.  I gotta try to think of one.

Just to clarify, the award is called "Incredible Fading Man."  Rip Van Winkle was merely the nickname I gave to Nick Farynaz who has actually shown up to help his team after two years of floundering in mediocre anonymity.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on February 15, 2007, 11:12:14 AM
and we are baaaaaaaaaack

It's all been said about the EC-GC showdown....a 4 point play.....freaking ridiculous....good for the gulls.

How about Hoops Fan running some smack on Brandon Parrish.....I'm loving the idea of the coastie awards.....phenominal

We have an email here.....

...Dear Jim......you guys don't talk enough about Gary Corbett.......signed......Gary Corbett's roomate.......war Mike Plansky..........I've had about enough of the Corbett talk.....good player....sure he's a fine human being....but why are we talking about random 6th men....let's start talking for pages on end about Mike Wooley ......or Jermaine Baskerville......ridiculous

Let's talk about player of the year because I know you clones love running smack about various awards.....I think there are 3 legitimate canididates stilll......Marinkovich has to be the front runner....Prezzie-Blue has been downright carrying the crew from Boston all year and Marstaller will get some run as well. Will be interesting to see.....all I know is once it's announced I'm going to have to come on here and see fans crying.....Gordon fans crying if Nemanja or Blue wins......EC fans crying if Marstaller or Blue wins....if Wentworth had fans I'm they'd be crying as well.....but you know what as Dan Hawkins said "ITS DIVISION 3 BASKETBALL!"

We really need to establish post game pressers in this league so we could have heard Mike Schauer's thoughts on the EC-GC game:

"The Gulls are what we THOUGHT they were! And we let em off the hook! We played em in January....the GULLS ARE WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY WERE...if you wanna crown em then CROWN THEIR HEINEYS*!"

*Gordon edit, sorry Dennis Green

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2007, 11:15:05 AM


Shhhh.  Jermaine Baskerville is one of the top contenders for next year's "Incredible Fading Man" award.  We don't want those getting out to early and providing motivation for these guys to contribute on a higher level next season (this means you, Josh Carter).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 15, 2007, 02:27:01 PM
Nichols head coach Dave Sokolnicki for funniest faces during a game?


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2007, 05:35:39 PM
Quote from: Jim Rome Of The CCC on February 15, 2007, 11:12:14 AM
I know you clones

Takes one to know one ...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 15, 2007, 10:51:55 PM
RWU loses to Nichols, Endicott loses to NEC, Gordon over AMC, Salve over ENC, Curry over WIT.   Gordon clinches first in the North and Curry and RWU could be tied with a Curry win on Saturday, and I am not sure about who has the tie breakers.  Interesting night to say the least.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BrianScalabrine on February 15, 2007, 11:07:12 PM
NEC over Endicott.... Marinkovich shut down and scared?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: chicken marstaller on February 15, 2007, 11:48:23 PM
aww ....  endicott lost to nec 82-70. i guess corbett didn't find burton for a 12 point and 1 in the final seconds to bail them out of this one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 16, 2007, 01:03:45 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 15, 2007, 11:15:05 AM


Shhhh.  Jermaine Baskerville is one of the top contenders for next year's "Incredible Fading Man" award.  We don't want those getting out to early and providing motivation for these guys to contribute on a higher level next season (this means you, Josh Carter).

Hoops fan...Josh Carter has been out for the majority of the season with a hand/wrist injury..he had a screw put in last week..so I could imagine he would have some trouble contributing in street clothes from the bench..the team was in the top 5 in the conference in both assists and assist/turnover ratio before he went down. Just clarifying

Also if were giving out Incredible Fading Man awards..why not just stick with the entire Eastern Naz squad? They can't seem to hold up a lead unless its a meaningless game against the best team in the Conference (RWU).

Also can anyone give us a playoff picture?

Lets Go Chargers
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 16, 2007, 01:08:55 AM
aww ....  endicott lost to nec 82-70. i guess corbett didn't find burton for a 12 point and 1 in the final seconds to bail them out of this one.-Chicken Marstaller

12 point And1...real creative...banners...that's all I have to say.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 16, 2007, 01:26:33 AM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on February 16, 2007, 01:03:45 AM
Also can anyone give us a playoff picture?

Since I'm a qualified Gordon fan who has nothing else to do except look at numbers, why don't I answer that question before I go to bed.

The North is set...
1. Gordon 12-3
2. Endicott 11-4
3. Wentworth 9-6
4. Colby Sawyer 8-8

The South is not...
1. Curry 10-5 (Sat vs. AMC)
2. Roger Williams 10-6
3. Salve Regina 8-7 (Sat @ EC)
4. Nichols 8-7 (Sat vs. NEC)

-Should Curry lose at home Sat. against AMC, the lose the tie breaker with the U (head to head vs. Nichols)
-Should Nichols win and Salve lose, Nichols is #3, but if they remained tied, Salve wins the tie breaker with their record over Curry.

The playoffs look like this right now, but can change.

Nichols @ Gordon
Wentworth @ Roger Williams
(Winners play each other)

Colby Sawyer @ Curry
Salve Regina @ Endicott
(Winners play each other)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on February 16, 2007, 08:59:58 AM
Tough loss last night for EC.  It was probably hard for them to get up for this game on the road after an emotional victory over Gordon on tuesday.  And as for our celebrity poster Brian Scalibrine, I hardly think Marinkovich was scared going up to NEC.  Maybe you should be more worried about another 18 game losing streak than the mindset of CCC players...Anyway, hoping to make it up to the North Shore for a GC/EC final next Sat.  I am assuming  EC will have home court advantage until the finals (as long as Gordon makes it through and EC wins tomorrow), and I don't see anyone knocking out the gulls at home.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 16, 2007, 09:11:20 AM
threeball23,  you know what happens when you assume....anyway Gordon has home court throughout the playoffs so, EC might have to survive a couple of road games while Gordon will be playing in friendly confines of the Bennett center.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 09:12:04 AM
Round Up:  (By the way, thanks for the Josh Carter update.  If comes back strong, he won't have a shot at the award next year anyway).



CSC tops Lesley 89-64.  John Chalouz had 20 off the bench (he's coming on well in the last few games, could be a tournament sleeper).  15 from Szeliga, 12 pts and 7 assists from Fouriner, 11 a piece from Rosso and Cousins.  It doesn't look like they had to try real hard.  Good job getting Chaloux some minutes and confidence though.

NEC over Endicott 82-70.  Big let down after the GC win.  Sullivan had 24, Marinkovic went for 10 and 10 and Corbett had 11.  NEC was led by 29 from Jaziri, 13 from Quinn, 12 from Tonkovich, 10 from Evans and 10 and 14 from Sylvia.  NEC is a good young squad.  If they actually all stay at school next year and play, they could be good, but we've been saying that for at least three seasons now and it hasn't happened yet.  Quality FT shooting on both sides, but EC was down on the threes and it hurt them in the long run.

Curry beats Wentworth 79-74 thus ending my dream of a three way tie for second in the South.  PBJ got 26, Gaine had 14 and Doyle 11.  Tim Jones had 24 for Curry, Brittian 18, and Bowers and Mastrullo had 11 each.  Despite the ups and downs, Curry is looking to finish at the top of the South yet again.  Wynn always has them ready to play when it counts.  He's Mr. February.  Wentworth didn't get to the line enough, going only 6-6.  A little more aggressiveness would have helped.

Nichols over RWU, the improbable result for the now-defunct potential three-way tie actually happened 65-60.  Barrett had 21, Camobreco had 12 (to go with 8 turnovers) and Gumb got 10 and 11.  RWU continues to slide.  They could be a walkover for Wentworth in the first round if they don't snap out of the funk.  NC got 19 and 10 from Wilcox, 14 from Paquin, 11 from Vallee and 10 from Riley.  This NC team has a good crop of freshmen.  RWU was out-rebounded again and NC got to the FT line a lot.

GC knocked out AMC 74-52.  A nice way to rebound from the loss.  AMC got 13 from Daigineault and 10 from Richards.  Gordon used the bench liberally, but still got good numbers from the starters.  14 each for Schnack and Herr, 11 from Marstaller, 10 pts and 5 assists from Logan and 6 assists from Kauffman.  GC hit the glass and hit a ton of threes.

Salve took care of ENC 76-57.  Jasmin, Noel and Seaberg all had 13 for ENC.  Jon Hazzard had 28 fro SRU, Woodworth got 12 and Palotti 10.  Goodridge had 7 assists.  ENC went 9-20 from the FT line while Salve hit 20-30.  ENC was also on the down end of the rebound battle.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 16, 2007, 09:17:45 AM
The playoff seeding is still confusing to me... if things stay the way they are now, and Endicott and Curry meet in the second round, is the game at Curry because of their seed, or Endicott because of their record?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 09:18:24 AM
Tomorrow:

NEC @ NC (A Nichols win and they clinch #3 in the South)
SRU @ EC (A Salve win and a Nichols loss gets them #3 in the South and set up a rematch of this game.)
RWU @ Wheaton (MA)
WIT @ ENC (Where Wentworth has actually won more home games this year than ENC has)
AMC @ CC (Meaningless, Curry already has the #1)
UNE @ GC (UNE needs to win and hope for an NEC loss to avoid being #6)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 09:20:03 AM
dwebbs, you got the tiebreakers wrong.

If the teams split with each other, it goes to record in division not head to head from top to bottom, that only happens later.

Nichols has the tiebreaker over Salve because Nichols beat Salve twice this year.

Curry has the tiebreaker over RWU because even if Curry loses tomorrow, they only have three division losses to RWU's four.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 09:21:08 AM

Right now it's:

GC hosting NC/SRU
EC hosting NC/SRU
CC hosting CSC
RWU hosting WIT


Only those first two games aren't set.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 16, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
Whoops, sorry about that.

In any event, I think Nichols has a better chance of winning at home vs. NEC than SRU has of winning on the road at EC, so I would expect NC third and SRU fourth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 16, 2007, 12:19:08 PM
  Could almost have predicted a loss last night for my Gulls. The emotion of the big Gordon win was a tough thing to follow. Add to that the drive to NH for a game that win or lose was not going to change the scene for them. 
  Now it's time to get refocused and face Salve for what could be the first of two, if the brackets play out the way I've read them.
Thanks again to the Gordon/EC game for giving me the "in person" sporting experience of my life. What an unbelievable game. One of those games that you hear people say "it's a shame someone had to lose". Rushing the court was a real trip. Hope I can do it again a few times here before I'm done!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 16, 2007, 01:29:41 PM
Technically, a loss doeschange the outcome. If EC won out, and Gordon lost to AMC or UNE, Endicott could have become the number one seed, but I hear what you're saying about following up the GC/EC game emotionally. Both EC and GC have lost following their win over the other this year.

Back to what I asid before -- If Curry and Endicott play each other in the second round, is EC home because of their record or Curry home because of their seed in the south?

And is it too early to throw some All-Conference guesses out there or what?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 01:32:15 PM
Curry gets the home court advantage.  Seed trumps record.

The only way it comes down to record is if both teams are the same seed going in, which can only happen in the final.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 16, 2007, 11:41:20 PM
one man's guess, keep in mind this is a guess, not who I think SHOULD win but who WILL win

1st team (non positional as always)

Nejmanja Markinovic - Endicott
Sherrad Prezzie-Blue - WIT
Jon Marstaller - Gordon
Ryan Jaziri - NEC
Tim Jones - Curry

2nd Team

Jerry Logan - Gordon
Chris Vallee - Nichols
Toby Brittian - Curry
Chris Goodridge - Salve Regina
Billy Barrett - RWU

Honorable Mention:

Todd Doyle - WIT
Mike Herr - Gordon
Mike Sullivan - Endicott
Toby Brittian - Curry
Ryan Murray - Colby-Sawyer

Rookie of The Year:

Tyler Evans - NEC

Coach of The Year:

Tom Devitt - Wentworth

Player of The Year:

Nejmanja Marinkovic Endicott (with Blue a close second)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 17, 2007, 12:16:10 AM
I agree with everything CCCTalk predicts except I see Prezzie-Blue winning Player of the Year.  (By the way, Toby Brittian is listed under 2nd Team and Honorable Mention; didn't think that was possible.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 17, 2007, 12:50:55 AM
The honorable mention should feature Matt Grendel in his place, my bad.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 17, 2007, 01:04:42 AM
I would think Valle should be on the First team in place of Tim Jones. Valle is everywhere on the CCC leader board -- 16.8 ppg, 6.5 reb, 2.8 apg, .797 FT%. I think him and the other four are almost a sure thing for first team.

I also think Grendal should be moved up to Second team. 13.7 ppg, 8.0 reb, 2.73 apg, .549 FG%.

Stickney, Baranger and Jasmin could all be on there somewhere. I'm not sure Ryan Murry makes it since he really only rebounds. And another player with a great stat line is Patrick Quinn -- 17.3 ppg, 3.7 apg. but he could not make it because of the team he plays on. And I don't know where, but I think Kaufman should make it somewhere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 17, 2007, 11:38:15 AM
You're all about suggesting guys who need to be on and not who has to come off, there are 15 spots I don't know who we're dropping to add Pat Quinn and his 30 shots a game or a 4th Gordon player. Or a player from a 1-24 team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 17, 2007, 11:54:48 AM
I agree for the most part except I wanted to make a case for Ryan Murray. I dont think you can leave him off at least the second team when he's top 10 in the nation in rebounding as a sophomore, that doesn't come every day especially in a smaller less respected conference like the CCC. Also, I saw Gordon come to CSC and I thought Marstaller seemed to be the only player worth being named all conference..I didn't think Jerry Logan lived up to the hype..but perhaps thats just a personal opinion..without Murray CSC would be out of the playoff picture for the first time in I believe all of Foti's career.

As for player of the year if there is a possibility of co-player of the year I think this is the one because in the two games I watched him play CSC Sherrad literally TOOK over the game throwing that team on his back, and Nemanja does much of the same if you watch his stats for the Gulls in crucial games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 17, 2007, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on February 17, 2007, 01:04:42 AM
Stickney, Baranger and Jasmin could all be on there somewhere.

I'd like to take back Stickney. After seeing him twice this year, I'm not impressed. Since my last suggesting came under some criticsm, I will think about who should be on and should not. Aside from the beleif that this is all I have to do, I am going to do homework.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BrianScalabrine on February 17, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
How about some love for the players that do all the dirty work for their teams ( rebounds + blocks) on that CCC list....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 18, 2007, 10:13:48 AM
 It's too bad that nobody from Salve seems to post much. Otherwise, more people would have had an eye out for Matt Grendel. He's not real big, but he's a workhorse like our boy Sully. In fact, they went at it pretty hot yesterday. If I'm coaching Salve, I don't take him off the court unless he can't breathe or he's got bigtime foul trouble!
Tuesday starts the show. Nichols is coming here - grill at 3:00!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 18, 2007, 11:55:00 AM
Wentworth loses to ENC on their final regular season game.  For a team looking to make some noise in the playoffs, this is very dissappointing.  ENC is one of the worst teams in the nation, by far the worst in the league.  ENC took 27 more free throw attempts, which could be from fouling in the end, or just not being aggressive enough.  It'll be real diffifcult for the coaches to consider Prezzie-Blue for POY due to his poor performance in this game.  They're going to need a comeplete turnaround by Tuesday, otherwise they'll be run out of the gym.  However, they still have a chance since WIT is probably the last team Roger Williams wanted to see in the first round.

Other matchups:

Salve at Gordon - I fully except Gordon to win this game, but it's not going to be easy.  Salve has compariable size to  Gordon, just not the same talent.  As long as Salve can slow down the perimeter shooters for Gordon, then they'll have a chance.  Gordon by 10.

Colby-Sawyer at Curry - This game could down to the final possessions with Curry pulling it out at home.  With the talent for Toby Brittian and Tim Jones (who's only played half the season), I see Curry coming out on top.  Colby-Sawyer will have to make sure the blockout well and crash the boards against Curry's bigs.  And as good as Tyler Fournier may be, he's going to have his hands full with Jones.  Curry by 5.

Nichols at Endicott - The re-match of the February 10th game needs to erased from the minds of Nichols's players.  They were destroyed by the Gulls by 29 points.  Nichols coach is going to have to coach his best game in order to pull this one out.  Endicott is superior in almost every way and Marinkovic is sure to be determined not to let his team lose.  Endicott by 15.

Wentworth at Roger Williams - Also another re-match, but from last year's first round playoffs.  This year RWU seemed to be a power-house in the conference, but then showed weaknesses losing to ENC and Nichols.  Wentworth has been a surprising team, finishing in 3rd in the North, although struggling to finish the regular season.  WIT's backcourt (Blue and Doyle) are one of the toughest matchups in the league; so RWU will have their hands full as they did on February 6th when Doyle and Blue scored 25 and 18 respectively.  RWU needs to feed the ball inside more and exploit WIT's under-sized big men.  Wentworth by 2.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 18, 2007, 01:20:57 PM
Gordon played one of their best games of the year at Salve on 1/13. I think Gordon will win, but I don't know if it will be as easy as some people think it will be. Unless they shut down Grendal somewhat, this one should be a good game.

Wentworth at the U I think it the most interesting match up in the first round. Not only is it a rematch from last year when WIT bounced the Hawks in the first round, but it also features the two teams that ENC owned this year. As I said already, I think WIT is a better team at home, and only has road conference wins at UNE and NEC this year. While I wouldn't be surprised if WIT stole another one from the U, I think Roger Williams will advance. 

Endicott over Nichols.

CSC has a good young talent base and could win, especially with the inconsistency Curry has shown at time, but I think Curry will advance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 18, 2007, 01:33:20 PM
I'm telling you right now, after seeing the stats from Curry-CSC game at the UMass Boston tourney early on..and being at the game in New London later in the season, the Chargers will pull an upset. They started off on fire in the second matchup, Andrew Cousins scored I want to say 6 out of the first 8 points, but Foti continued his strange ways in taking him out. Let me tell you that no matter how athletic those Curry players are and how hostile their crowd might be, if the Chargers come out firing like they did the game before and the treys fall for Cousins and Truncelito, Murray and co. will take care of business on the boards and Fournier will shut down Timmy Jones like he couldn't seem to find a way to do in the earlier matchup. Those three things happen, and Murray doesn't foul out and the Chargers would have been victorious in New London and believe me when I tell you, they won't make the same mistake twice in a row. The first game was early on when the team had no chemistry, the second luck wasn't on their side, third times the charm for my Chargers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2007, 04:09:16 PM

Round up:

NC 108, NEC 97.  Sylvia got 19 and 10, Jaziri got 19, Evans got 16, Quinn got 14 with 5 assists.  Valle had 19 and 11 for NC, Wilcox got 18, Powers got 17, Paquin got 13, Foster had 11 and Riley had 10 with an amazing 11 assists.  NC is looking ready to play and  Endicott better be ready.  Six guys in double figures is a big deal.  They shot lights out and hit FTs.

EC beats Salve by 1, 68-67.  Grendal had 16, Goodridge had 14, Hazzard had 13, and Woodworth had 10.  EC was led by Burgos with 18, Sullivan, Whitelaw and Marinkovic each had 12.  EC hit the boards well to make up for poor three-point shooting.  Good win for them.

RWU beat Wheaton 83-73 in their final regular season game.  Bashaw had 25 to lead RWU and continue his late-season surge.  Billy Barrett had 20 with 5 assists and McGinn had 12.  RWU looks to be playing a little better this weekend.  They might not roll over to WIT.

Speaking of WIT, they go down to ENC 87-76.  Doyle and Gaine had 16, PBJ had 13 and Bynes had 10.  ENC was led by 23 from Ryan Seaberg, Christian Corey had 18, Jasmin had 13 with 6 assists and Duda and Carr had 10 a piece.  Only 7 turnovers and a ton of free throws wins in for ENC.  Maybe there is some hope for next year with a good off-season of work.

Curry crushes AMC 73-48.  DiTullio had 13 and Porcaro had 10 for AMC.  Curry got 21 from Tim Jones and 20 and 19 from Bowers.  Curry is looking strong right now and it should be a bruising game against CSC on Tuesday.

Gordon destroyed UNE 76-38.  Ouch.  Farynaz and Marriot had 10 each.  Stickney had 14 boards.  Herr had 15 for GC, Bajema had 14 and Deluca got 12.  GC's bench got a lot of minutes in this one.  They also appear to be ready for the playoffs.  Tuesday night will be awesome.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BrianScalabrine on February 18, 2007, 08:25:04 PM
NC 108, NEC 97.  Sylvia got 19 and 16, Jaziri got 19, Evans got 16, Quinn got 14 with 5 assists.  Valle had 19 and 11 for NC, Wilcox got 18, Powers got 17, Paquin got 13, Foster had 11 and Riley had 10 with an amazing 11 assists.  NC is looking ready to play and  Endicott better be ready.  Six guys in double figures is a big deal.  They shot lights out and hit FTs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 20, 2007, 09:12:14 AM
Awards are in:

First Team
Ryan Jaziri New England Col., Jr., G, Norwich, Conn.
Tim Jones Curry, Jr., G, Brookline, Mass.
Nemanja Marinkovic Endicott, Sr., F, Belgrade, Serbia
Jon Marstaller Gordon, Jr., F, Naples, Maine
Sherrad Prezzie-Blue Wentworth, Jr., G, Norwalk, Conn.

Second Team
William Barrett Roger Williams, So., G, Fairfield, Conn.
Todd Doyle Wenworth, So., G, Mystic, Conn.
Matt Grendal Salve Regina, Sr., F, Foxboro, Mass.
Jerry Logan Gordon, Sr., G, Marietta, Ga.
Chris Vallee Nichols, Jr., G, Fitchburg, Mass.

Honorable Mention
Chris Goodridge Salve Regina, Jr., G, Merrimack, N.H.
Luc Jasmin Eastern Nazarene, Jr., C, Pawtucket, R.I.
Ryan Murray Colby-Sawyer, So., F, Killingworth, Conn.
Isaac Stickney U. of New England, Jr., F, Rumford, Maine
Mike Sullivan Endicott, Sr., C, Marshfield, Mass.

PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Sherrad Prezzie-Blue, Wentworth

CO-ROOKIES OF THE YEAR
Tyler Evans, New England Col. & Ryan Wilcox, Nichols

DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Jerry Logan, Gordon

SENIOR SCHOLAR ATHLETE
Jerry Logan, Gordon

COACH OF THE YEAR
Tom Devitt, Wentworth

SPORTSMANSHIP AWARD
Eastern Nazarene


How does the DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR not make the first team?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 20, 2007, 11:57:52 AM
a couple of things....

the awards are pretty much on-target...
even for POY, it is warranted to have Prezzie-Blue as the recipient, especially for what he did for his team...
All-Conference teams were pretty solid... I agree with most of the picks...
Rookie(s) of the Year were my only qualms... While these guys are certainly worthy, I feel like Brady Bajema and Aaron Trigg would have been just as worthy... Bajema has been a solid contributor offensively over the second half of the season and Trigg has been, in my mind, the best overall freshman in the conference...
Still, solid picks overall...

But now it's on to the tourney...
I'm surprised at the lack of banter over the games this evening...
Hoops, what are your picks?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 20, 2007, 12:03:58 PM
1. I still think Valle was first team caliber. Nichols was a preseason pick for no. 4 in the South with Justin Lewis, and Valle lead them to number 3 without Lewis. Does anybody want to defend Tim Jones?

2. Personally, I think Marikovic should have won POY. My own personal feelings about EC aside, Prezzie-Blue just doesn't play the defense to win top honors. He scores a ton and lead WIT to a successful seaon, but I think Marikovic was dominate all around, especially in conference play.

3. Someone said EC and WIT would split POY and COY. EC got shafted on both.

4. If Trigg and Baj were one player, they could have won ROY. Trigg was hot early, and Baj took over late, but neither of them had a solid full year, unlike Evans and Wilcox who got a starting role most of the year.

5. I still don't think Stickney belongs on there anywhere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 20, 2007, 09:57:43 PM
Gordon downs SRU 63-56.  Marstaller lead the way with 20 and 11 and then everyone that played for Gordon contributed nicely.  Gordon will go on to face WIT, who for the second time in 2 years knocked off RWU @ RWU in the playoffs.  WIT won 81-78 in overtime.  Should be interesting.  Curry downed CSC by about 20 and the wait the winner of Nichols and Endicott, still no score.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 20, 2007, 10:17:15 PM
Endicott wins by 10, 67-57.  By the box score it looks like it was a sloppy game, but I can't say for sure without seeing it in person.  Also an interesting not I heard Brian Gaine sprained and ankle and is out for the playoffs, can anyone confirm?

WIT @ Gordon Thursday at 7:00
Endicott @ Curry
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 20, 2007, 11:08:12 PM
Also... I caught the end of the Endicott webcast, and they said Corbett went down early and didn't return. Which one of the Corbett apologists wants to update his status?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle23 on February 20, 2007, 11:16:59 PM
corbett is fine, he will be back in action on thursday....no worries

go GC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2007, 12:48:48 AM

Sorry guys, work picked a poor week to have a conference.  I should be back to normal by Friday, but for now, my internet hours are few and far between.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 21, 2007, 01:26:52 AM
Wow what a win from the Gulls.  I was in attendance and will try to give an ubiased opinion.  It was a very ugly win for the Gulls, but we'll take it.  The officials seemed to let everything go to a point in the first half, including some elbows down low, including one from Vallee on Corbett right in front of the official.  This seemed to take him out of his game.  However, Vallee kept fighting his way to the basket and coming up short and not scoring in the first half.  He finished with 8 points I believe, with a three and a lay up or something in the final minute of garbage time. Not bad.  Joey Burgos has finally decided to play some serious D. He shut down Logan of Gordon, and tonight he decided to D up Vallee and gave him some serious trouble.  Vallee looked annoyed that he was unable to get a shot off against the athleticism and height of Burgos.  I love to see this coming from the young guy!

Also at one point in the second half the foul situation looked like this. Endicott 9, Nichols 1.  The officials seemed to be letting things go for Nichols, but calling Endicott for touchy fouls, including one in which Burton posted a kid up and the kid fell down, and one where Sully was boxing someone out and this person also fell down. Can you say weightroooooom? This made it very interesting for Nichols down the stretch, when in order to keep time on the clock and foul, they only had 3 fouls or so and had to foul a bunch of times to get EC to the line.Oh well, it's a win.  It looks to be a challenging night thursday at Curry for the Gulls, and I hope to make the trip and be able to post about it when I get back. I'll keep you updated.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 21, 2007, 01:38:33 AM
 Regarding Dwebbs post about EC and Corbett's injury. Is there ant further proof of why there is bad blood between the schools in sports. Goerdon had their game, not a word and that's fine. instead a shot a player who got hurt in another game. Not very Christian - how would that sit with your high moral standards over there in Wenham?
Best guess is he'll be fine though, thanks for asking. He's a pretty tough player, even if your hung up on bustin his ass at every turn.
Valle beat the crap out of him tonight. Not in points but with bush league elbows to the head and then his foot got stomped -or so it appeared. Very disappointed in the rough house play of Nichols. they came back to the Post and didn't want a repeat of the last score, so I guess they tried to intimidate through contact. Then refs were "HORRIBLE" for both sides. it was tough to watch because bodies were flying everywhere and no calls - then a bump and a call.
I know it doesn't get looked at like this, but with as physical a game as it was, how does the home team have 7 fouls and the visitors 1 with 4minutes to go in the game? Brutal! No control of the game. this crew should not be allowed near a playoff game, there's too much at stake.
Gotta hit the rack. Early class. Hey Dwebbs -good luck Thursday and maybe we come see you in The Pit on Saturday -if Curry falls!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 21, 2007, 08:54:09 AM
gullfan skip the early class and sleep in your sounding a little bit cranky,

dwebbs comment was about finding out the status of Corbett, im pretty sure no where in his post did he insult a injured player.  As for his dig at Corbett supporters, well its called a rivarly.  Thats what happens when two schools are located within 5 minutes of each other.  I actually bet most Gordon fans are rooting for Corbett and EC to win, that would make for one great game down at Bennet Center if Gordon takes care of WIT.

As for the Gordon game it was real sloppy at times and Gordon couldnt buy a basket in the first half.  I didn't feel comfortable at any point during the game.  Still its encouraging for GC fans to see Gordon pull it out even with a bad shooting night.  I like the maturity this team is showing, I think it can carry them through playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 21, 2007, 09:16:04 AM
I was merely poking fun at the overwhelming support Corbett gets on this board. No foul intentions, I promise.

Since the Gordon game started an hour earlier, I watch the end of the EC/NC game on the Endicott website. Thanks for the info. Do you know if there is any time table and his status for Thursday?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 21, 2007, 09:31:14 AM
Same at AJ -- the Gordon game was sloppy. They fell behind by five within the first few moments of the second half, but took control of the game in the middle portion of the second half with hot 3 point shooting. I believe they only scored 7 points in the final 6-7 minutes of the game, but Salve didn't score may more at all, and eventually, Gordon's defense and rebounding down the stretch won it for them.

gullFan -- I hear what you're saying about the refs. The one's at the Gordon game couldn't establish consistency about what a charge was and what a block was. Then they allowed a Salve player to roll on the floor, then call a timeout. And the most memorable one was Marstaller getting the ball open underneath the basket. He went for a reverse lay in and was shoved ha;f way down the base line with no call.

Hopefully, as the number of CCC games becomes less, we'll at least get the best refs of our conference caliber to officiate games, if that's any consolation.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2007, 09:44:59 AM
may i suggest instituting a Division III site called ratetherefs.com...

it's a suggestion in jest, but it may be interesting to see what would happen...
even though every losing fan would rate the ref poorly, haha...

these games on thursday are going to be solid ones...
regardless of the regular season, i think the four best teams in the CCC made it through...
should be interesting...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 21, 2007, 12:50:35 PM
A really exciting game last night in Rhode Island.  WIT vs RWU may have been the best game to be at last night.  Although I wasn't there, the game was a back and forth ordeal.  WIT had the chance to win the game but Prezzie-Blue's shot wouldn't drop.  After that it was all Wentworth.  Blue and Doyle took over and coupled with Bynes's defense, RWU had no chance.  The box score reads that Bynes had 5 blocks which is rathering amazing.  Thursday's game should be really interesting with the match of the best back courts in the league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 02:29:23 PM
Quote from: scout on February 21, 2007, 09:44:59 AM
it's a suggestion in jest, but it may be interesting to see what would happen...
even though every losing fan would rate the ref poorly, haha...

Unfortunately that is probably true.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 21, 2007, 04:14:44 PM
I wont waste anyones time complaining about the CSC-Curry game..I was stuck in hellacious traffic on 93 through boston and made it to the last 11 minutes and from what i saw and what i was told...the refs were all curry the whole game..but that can be expected in an away game at the number one seed..but the ref problem is one that seems to shine through in all of the posts on this board..I'm enjoying the back and forth between the other fans/students of the other schools however and wish the remaining teams a good finish to the playoffs..I'll be watching
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 21, 2007, 04:19:18 PM
What are people's feelings on the top defensive player in the CCC (Gordon's Logan) going against the best offensive player (WIT PBJ)?

Logan got the best of PBJ at the bennet center but PBJ had a good game at home.

I like Logan keeping PBJ under 15.  Being a senior and knowing this could be his last game plus playing in front of a packed crowd in Wenham I think gives him edge.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 21, 2007, 06:49:23 PM
Why do fans have this idea that the home team should get calls?  Refs, though mostly sub-par in our league, are supposed to be unbiased and call fouls when they happen regardless of who is wearing the white jerseys.  I have heard this all season long and have no idea where this thought process comes from.  A foul is a foul regardless of who is home or away.

AJ, I would say that Logan keeps PB&J around 15, the guy I am worried about is Bynes.  But both games should be solid.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 21, 2007, 08:10:26 PM
WIT shot 57.1% when they played Gordon at Curry, and it was mostly on guards slashing to the basket, Bynes only had 8 last time. If WIT can duplicate that, then they are going to knock off the Scots. The road win at RWU was good for them, but they've done it before.

Last year they beat the U and then got beaten by double digits at Endicott, where they lost by double digits earlier in the year. I don't know what the U's fans are like, but Endicott and Bennet get loud, especially in the playoffs.

I don't think Schauer is going to get beat by the guard play again, and more importantly, I think the GC players are going to take this game personally.

Prez-Blue will get his, but containing Doyle and Bolton and Gaine (who apparently has a sprained ankle, only played 15 minutes in the first round). So really, the game is going to come down to how well Marstaller, Herr, Kaufman Scnack and others play D.

I'll take Gordon by single digits.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 22, 2007, 02:26:35 PM
Logan will have his hands full with Prezzie-Blue.  It's going to take everything he has to hold Blue to under 15 (although ENC was able to do it).  Mike Herr has to setup for his team today.  In the years past he seemed for versatile, but lately he's only shooting three's.  Look for Kaufman, Bejema, and Trigg to try to slow down Doyle.  I really like to the Marstaller-Bynes matchup.  Bynes doesn't put up the offensive numbers so much, but he's one of the best defenders in the league (ask Roger Williams).  The lack of depth for WIT is going to end up hurting them as Gordon has several solid players at each position.  This is what both teams wanted so it should be a great game.

The Endicott-Curry game will be just as good.  Coach Millette may have to use a few different options to stop Tim Jones such as Corbett, Burton, maybe even Burgos.  Now is the time for Marinkovic to setup big time for his team and lead them to victory.  Endicott by 5.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 22, 2007, 03:15:31 PM
Last time GC and tech played, Prezzie-Blue has 22 points. 5 of those came on that big play where he was given continueation and And-1, and then 2 Technically foul shots, so that was 5 somewhat garbage points. That being said, he's still going to score.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 22, 2007, 09:00:11 PM
Wentworth beat Gordon. Great game by WIT. Prez. Blue earned my respect for POY, with some big 3's down the stretch. Doyle with the big 3 when it mattered. Good game for the Leopards.

That's all. Go Curry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: anECfan on February 22, 2007, 09:44:42 PM
Curry 71 Endicott 65... I was not at the game, that is just the news I received...interesting/unanticipated championship game to say the least.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: threeball23 on February 22, 2007, 10:54:33 PM
Wish I could have seen the WIT/GC game.  From what I read on the Gordon website, sounded like a good one.  20 lead changes and a buzzer beater that did not go down.  Unfortunate outcome for the scots, they were up by five with about a minute to play, but couldn't hold on.  Prezzie-Blue went for 30, and had a big steal in the final 30 tics. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2007, 12:15:30 AM
I'm not trying to be a homer...
But everyone in that gym knew that 'steal' was a foul that should have set up another inbounds play...

Other than that...
Prezzie-Blue proved the 'sometimes the best performance on the court wins the game for a mediocre team performance' theory...
For more examples of this, see Kevin Durant, Allen Iverson, Steve Smith, Dominic James of Marquette...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 23, 2007, 12:45:47 AM
PBJ is without a doubt the POY.  If you want to say MOP or MVP for his team, it doesn't matter take him off that team they don't make the playoffs and wouldn't have been in that game.  He carried his team and made guys around him better.  He could have hit water in the desert tonight, he was that good.  As for the steal, that one was with out a doubt a steal, other calls were questionable but overall I liked that the refs let them play.  I was two feet from the ball and PBJ stole it clean, there might have been a reach foul on Bynes but it doesn't matter now.  Herr and Logan stepped up huge and showed their leadership in their last games.  Gordon is going to miss those guys big time, class acts all around and a pleasure to watch.  Wish they could have won, but doesn't always end like you want it to.  Gordon has a bright future and Bajema and Trigg are going to both be stars down the road.  As for Curry and WIT, I like the guys on WIT (with the exception of Gaine who time and time again displays a lack of class ie. throwing the game ball at fans and taunting) and their coach seems to be a nice guy, but Curry has the kind of athletes that could make some noise in the tournament but am not really found of their team or coach, but that is one mans opinion.  It will be interesting championship and an unexpected one to say the least.  It has been a good season and it will be interesting to see how the CCC team does in the tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 23, 2007, 08:54:22 AM
I just looked over the EC vs Curry box score, I am guessing Corbet did not play because of an injury?  What exactly happened to him and can anyone confirm the injury is indeed what kept him out?  I obviously doubt it was something else but I am just curious.  I don't think Corbet is as good as some people on the board think he is but with that said, against a team with Curry's size he would be an important piece for Endicott.  Secondly, nice to see that Johnathan Bowers actually descided to realize he is an athletics 6'10" and play like it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2007, 09:40:31 AM
An amazing game last night in Wenham.  Gordon and Wentworth truly played the best game of the season with WIT pulling it out in the final minute.  Both teams exchanged blows the whole game (20 lead changes) with the biggest lead being 8 points.  In the second half, both teams had runs where it looked like they could break the game open.  Gordon went up seven with 5 minutes to go but Wentworth was able to remain in striking range.  Gordon started taking three's, trying to end the game immediately, none of which were bad shots.  Luck wasn't on their side as the ball just wouldn't fall.  Prezzie-Blue then puts his team on his back and takes over.  Everyone in the building knew that the ball was going to him, but Gordon was uncapable to stopping him.  This isn't a knock on Gordon, just simply stating the amazing performance by Prezzie-Blue.    Bejema nails a three with little over a minute left, putting Gordon up 5 with the crowd roaring and momentum on their side.  But Prezzie-Blue calmly comes down and hits a contested three to bring his team back within two.  Wentworth then decided to begin fouling but were able to trap Kaufman in the corner and Prezzie-Blue ripped the ball from his hands (not a  foul).  On the ensuing possession, Prezzie-Blue drives and then kicks it to Doyle for a contested three with 25 seconds left.  WIT was able to hold off Gordon as Bejema missed the game winner with .08 seconds left in the game.

Mike Herr and Jerry Logan both scored 18 points in the final game of their brilliant careers.  Marstaller contributed with 12 points and 10 rebounds but was completely ineffective in the second half in the post.  Kaufman and Bejema had 9 points each with some big shots towards the end of the game.  Gordon shot 49% for the game and 44% for the arc.

Prezzie-Blue recorded a career high 30 points on 12-17 shooting with 2 assists and 3 rebounds.  Doyle had 16 points (4-4 from long range) including the game winner.  Gaine's ankle was fine as he dropped 11 points and played 35 minutes.  A great performance last night also from Weonard Bynes.  Each time Gordon would drive to the rim, Bynes was there to contest the shot, finishing with 5 although it certainly was more.  The biggest block being on a Mike Herr dunk.  More importantly, he shutdown Marstaller outside two 3 pointers.

Saturday's game should be really entertaining as well.  The two teams played recently as Wentworth blew the game and Curry won by 5.  The battle of Tim Jones and Prezzie-Blue is perhaps the matchup of the best guards in the conference.  Wentworth by 2.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2007, 01:14:26 PM
what the heck happened?  I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loose?  We could potentially have a CCC champion who got beat by ENC and the final game will be played ina gym that can seat 250 on a good night?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 23, 2007, 04:23:29 PM
 Congrats to Curry, they shot lights out! They are big, jump through the roof and showed more discipline to the system than in the first EC / Curry game. They will be tough to beat.
  To answer Maq Diesel's question, Gary Corbett (2 t's by the way, Maq) did not play last night because of an injury. He was wasliking around in a boot of some kind. If you watch the EC/Nichols game, you can see where he gets stepped on, big time. Tough way for a hard nosed player to finish a year. I'm sure he'll be back next year with no lingering issues.
  A HUGE thank you to Nemanja, Mike Sullivan and Tom Connor. They represented EC with pride and were great to watch. They will be greatly missed. You don't just plkug in another Nemanja, who did so much in his time here. Sully is a beast who was so much a part of the great run in the CCC that Endicott was on. Tom Connor stepped up big time too. It was great watching you guys!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: buddy on February 24, 2007, 02:41:58 PM
First of all, I'd like to thank all the coaches & players for bringing their best to the season. It's a special group of people that allow us , the fans, so much enjoyment.  That being said, I want to say that the reffing this season has been much improved over the past seasons.  I don't understand how some people can make "off" comments about not liking certain teams & coaching without explaining themselves. I wish that would stop in the future.
I'd like to say something about Curry.  It's obvious that I'm a Curry fan and I've waited a long time for Curry to be put in this situation- a championship game. Malcolm Wynn has done a wonderful job in bringing Curry's program to where it is today. I just want to wish all the team members good luck for tonight's game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 24, 2007, 10:32:09 PM
Wentworth 98, Curry 90

Doyle--23
Bynes--18 &10 w/ 5 blocks
Prezzie-Blue--17
Gaine 16 & 6
--
Jones had 30 for Curry; Mastrullo 25 & 6

Wentworth wins third CCC title; first since 1998 & earns second NCAA berth in program's history
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2007, 10:50:59 PM
Thanks Bill for the update.  Congrats to WENTWORTH
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 25, 2007, 01:44:49 PM
I had not seen either team in person until last night. I'm glad I got there early. Talking to some fans the Wentworth Leopards are a crazy story. They didn't have a gym until about a month ago, they practiced all over the place, played all over the place, and now somehow beat RWU, GC and CC in a week to win the title. Ridiculous.

Just proof that it's not the best team that goes, it's the team that's playing the best.

Yesterday's game was a bizzare affair with a ton of whistles and honestly it wasn't as close as the score, WIT had control throughout the 2nd half and held off the frantic Curry run. Prezzie-Blue is very very good, Doyle is very good but the kid who impressed me was Weonard Bynes, he was flying all over the place against the Curry athletes with blocks, boards and dunks.

For Curry, Tim Jones is a special talent and showed it yet again.

Great season CCC and congrats to WIT
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 26, 2007, 09:19:21 AM
Wentworth will be taking on St. John Fisher College in New York.  St. John's has plently of size and a couple strong guards, but I doubt they've seen a team similar to Wentworth.  The Leopards will have to play another great game to surpass St. John's strong defense and all around scoring (4 players in double figures).  St. John's aren't know for their high scoring games but they were able to defeat R.I.T and Utica to win their conference tournament.  Should be a real interesting game.  Hopefully Wentworth can represent the CCC well and perhaps pull one out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2007, 11:26:56 AM

Jaziri, Marstaller, Prezzie-Blue, Marinkovic and Tim Jones on the first team.

PBJ gets the POY.  Evans and Wilcox share ROY and Devitt from WIT wins COY.


Hard to argue with those.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on February 27, 2007, 10:25:58 AM
Congrats to Wentworth for winning the CCC. Now that the brackets are posted and Fisher is playing Wentworth, I am trying to get a feel for what the game is going to be like.  I was looking on the website and it looks like Wentworth is extremely small, tallest starter is 6'3.  From looking solely on that I'm guessing they play a faster style of basketball and most likely have pretty good athletes.  Can someone please fill me in on what type of team wentworth is?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2007, 10:37:23 AM
Yes they're tallest starter is 6'3'' but he can jump with the best of them.  They're primarily driven by their two guards, Prezzie-Blue and Doyle.  They're senior forward, Bryan Gaine, is capable of hitting shots from almost anywhere within the three-point line.  Often times they allow teams to shoot a high percentage, but they're perfectly capable of coming down and shooting just the same.  It should be an interesting game although their high disadvantage may really hurt them since Fisher has some really strong inside threats.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2007, 10:52:01 AM

Honestly, I don't think Wentworth has much of a chance.  The only talented teams they really beat were small on the inside.  That's how they got by Gordon.  Roger Williams has been in a free fall for a couple of weeks and Curry is a guard-led team with a center who shies away from contact.

Fisher's big guys are bruisers and the team is known for lock-down defense.  I just don't think Wentworth is in the same league as Fisher right now.  Wentworth would have to shoot 40% from three to keep this one close and I don't see Fisher letting that happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2007, 12:48:03 PM
As long as Prezzie-Blue, Doyle, and Bynes can stay out of foul trouble, they'll be able to hang with Fisher.  I'm not saying that they can win the game or anything outrageous, but those three are quite a potent threesome.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2007, 12:56:24 PM
Endicott accepts as ECAC bid and will play Lassell tomorrow at 8 at Tufts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2007, 01:08:20 PM

Curry, Roger Williams and Endicott all got in.  Apparently Gordon did not want to go.

Curry plays at Emerson and RWU plays at St. Joe's.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 27, 2007, 04:14:28 PM
I see Fisher winning at home by 20 or so.  Gordon Played their rival Utica last year in the tournament and Utica was a very athletic team that had one of the best d3 players I have ever seen in Ray Bryant.  I don't think Wentworth is going to show Fisher anything they haven't seen.  Bynes is tough in this conference but with the bangers Fisher has they should be able to keep him quite.  I think it is going to be a physical game and that is no good for WIT they just are not deep enough to bang.  I hope they represent the CCC well but my guess is they lose by 15-25 at least, it should be interesting. 

As for Gordon in the ECAC, I am pretty sure that Gordon made and institutional decision not to go to the ECAC tournaments for any sport.  I think it has to do with the fact it is in a way meaningless, but more importantly it is a drain on the schools budget to participate.  I am not a 100% sure about this but, I think this is why they are not there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2007, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on February 27, 2007, 04:14:28 PM
As for Gordon in the ECAC, I am pretty sure that Gordon made and institutional decision not to go to the ECAC tournaments for any sport.  I think it has to do with the fact it is in a way meaningless, but more importantly it is a drain on the schools budget to participate.  I am not a 100% sure about this but, I think this is why they are not there.

It makes sense, now that virtually every conference gets an automatic bid, there is no point for it.  It served a great purpose in the 90's when, for example, the CCC champion rarely got invited to the big dance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on February 28, 2007, 02:45:00 AM
What is up CCC clones?

Since last I posted the subject on most people's minds especially at Gordon has to be WENTWORTH or as I like to say "Wentworth?" Topsy Turvy year in the league has a topsy turvy ending with WIT beating RWU, GC and CC on the road.

I'm hearing a whole lot of silence from Gordon after that 69-68 shocker the WIT layed on them, I liked the diesel picking Fisher by "20 or so" ERRRRR that must mean Gordon would have gone down by "20 or so...plus 1"

Meanwhile lets hope for an all CCC final in the ECACs, where the players moms will enjoy that.

On a serious note to the jungle I want to say a heartfelt "late" to the seniors who I did enjoy having around the league this year and the last few years so I appologize if I forget anyone but: Namanja Markinovic, Mike Sullivan, Mike Herr, Jerry Logan, Pat Quinn, Nick Farenyez, Antoine Silvia, Bryan Gaine, Nate Truncellito, Brendan Parrish, Steve Prescod, Matt Grendal, Jon Hazzard, Dan Sadlowski, Bryan Poccaro, Ryan Seaberg, Chris Corey and Dave Duda.....rack them

Wentworth is in the NCAA tournament.......odd

We're up against a break so I will catch you clones later....we are out on the phone lines to anyone that was alive the last time Wentworth won something and also a post interview with the Gordon radio crew and the Salve Regina band leader....

I am out
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: swish57 on February 28, 2007, 06:54:26 PM
Who is this freshman point guard Mark Mastrullo from Curry?  He put up some big time numbers for a freshman.  He averaged 9.3 points and shot 40 percent from three while winning rookie of the week twice.  He put up 25 points against Wentworth in the championship game.  Where was his name all year long?? Curry could be strong again next year with Jones, Mastrullo and Bowers all coming back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 01, 2007, 12:36:10 AM
Endicott squuzes past Lassel (at Tufts) in a crazy game.  Marinkovic led the way with 19 points, 8 rebounds, and 5 blocks.  Whitelaw had 12 and Burton had 10 points with 10 rebounds.  Final score was 68-67

Meanwhile in Boston, Curry took on Emerson College which turned out to be a lobsided shootout with Curry winning 108-88.  Bowers drops 31 to go along with 14 boards.  Tim Jones was held in check 14 points and 4 assits.  Mastrullo had 10 assists, Brittian had 23, and Prescod had 18.  For Emmanuel, Will Dawkins had 33 points and Jeremy Shannon recorded 30.

Roger Wiliiams continued their losing ways dropping the first round of the ECAC tournament to St. Joseph's Maine.  Barranger had 13 and 11 while Bashaw and Woolley both finished with 11.  This program needs to re-evaluate the way they operate before nobody takes them seriously any longer.  Final score was 65-70.

Endicott moves on to play at future conference foe Western New England College and Curry travels to take on St. Joseph's Maine.  Wentworth takes on St. John Fisher.  All games are on Friday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on March 01, 2007, 09:00:50 AM
Well SJC of ME beating RWU was expected.  SJC was the 2 seed and hosting the game.  The score was actually much closer then expected.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 07:09:50 PM
Hey guys, we're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Would someone here be willing to do one for Wentworth? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2007, 09:26:27 AM

Mastrullo's been mentioned on the board all year long consistently.  He's a freshman fourth option on an up and down team.  He didn't win the ROY.  He got about what he deserved.  They'll certainly need him in the future.

Good wins for Endicott and Curry yesterday.  I still think the ECACs are a joke, but at least the CCC is representing well this year.


Wentworth goes tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on March 03, 2007, 12:37:31 AM
St. John Fisher 98, Wentworth 72.  SJF shot lights out.  I don't think it would have mattered which team from the CCC played them tonight.  And, they got a huge boost when Plattsburgh beat Rochester on a shot from beyond half court as time expired.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2007, 09:05:09 AM

Wentworth represented really well for the CCC.  Good showing for them and a great year to build on as most of their weapons return.

Now it looks like we're in for a long summer of rumors and recruiting news.

How does the new and improved 14 team CCC look for next year?  Remember Regis is adding Men's basketball and WNEC is coming over.

And as always, will Gordon finally get into the NEWMAC?


I think we might see a bunch of changes around NE this summer.  It should be a good off-season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 05, 2007, 02:27:32 PM
Shouldn't Gordon focus on winning the CCC before the move on to a better conference?  Or is it a regional decision?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 05, 2007, 02:47:28 PM
Graduating Seniors for every team:

Gordon - Mike Herr and Jerry Logan (huge loses)
Endicott - Nemanja Marinkovic, Tom Connor, and Mike Sullivan (losing a lot of size)
Wentworth - Bryan Gaine (senior captain)
Colby-Sawyer - Nate Truncellito Tyler Fournier (save veterans)
NEC - Ryan Jaziri, Pat Quinn, and Antoine Sylvia (a majority of their scoring and a tough inside presence)
UNE - Mike Floyd, Nick Farynaz, and Tom Button (two bigs and a shooter)
Curry- Stephen Prescod, Toby Brittian, Marvin Lamarre, Christopher Landford (a lot of talent but they're still pretty deep)
RWU - Brandon Parrish and Ryan McGovern (still have their key parts intact)
Nichols - not losing anyone
Salve - Matt Grendal, Jon Hazzard, and Mike Walsh (losing a good amount of size)
Anna Maria - Tristan Burrell, Bryan Porcaro, and Dan Sadlowski (um yea)
EN - Christian Corey, Ryan Seaberg, and Dave Duda
WNEC - Peter Stathakis, Deon Thomas, and Malik Champlain (figured we should include them)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2007, 03:22:02 PM

Jaziri's a Junior, unless he's graduating early, he's going to be back for one more go 'round.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2007, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: backboard on March 05, 2007, 02:27:32 PM
Shouldn't Gordon focus on winning the CCC before the move on to a better conference?  Or is it a regional decision?

I think their decision (and this is really still just rumor at this point) is based more on their overall athletic program than just basketball.  Some of the elites (CSC, GC, etc) have been trying to split the CCC apart for a little while.  This may be Gordon's way out.

The NEWMAC schools have similar mission/vision outlooks.  GC would fit well there overall.  I'm just not sure the NEWMAC wants them.

Things may change a lot this summer, if the independents ever get their act together and form a new conference.  There's been some big time rumblings; I'm just not sure if anything will come together.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 05, 2007, 05:18:13 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2007, 03:22:02 PM

Jaziri's a Junior, unless he's graduating early, he's going to be back for one more go 'round.

You're right, I read wrong
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 14, 2007, 09:42:37 AM

PBJ makes the third team all-region this year.  Congrats to him.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 05, 2007, 09:45:29 AM

Not that anyone reads this at all, but former Endicott Powergull, Jeremy Currier has been named Head Coach at Daniel Webster.  He was a great player (and even better three point shooter) with a strong basketball sense.  I think he will do well, so long as he can get some recruits to actually go to Daniel Webster.  I wonder how long it will take before a CCC school comes calling to bring him home?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mattapn02126 on April 15, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
He actually brought in two solid kids so far. Two Salem (MA) High 6'2'' swingmen: Chris Hanson and Nick Linear. Hanson is a little more talented, Linear plays a little harder, and both will see minutes as freshmen. Neither is a top of the line type of recruit, but certainly a step in the right direction for the Daniel Webster program.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 16, 2007, 09:51:18 AM

He should be a fantastic fit at EC once Millette jumps to a higher profile gig in a few years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on April 16, 2007, 06:29:19 PM
Lets see Millette bring in a couple of players of his own that can contribute before we give him the URI job.

I think unless he has an impact class this year the Gulls could be in deep.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 18, 2007, 09:12:12 AM
Here is something interesting I learned in the past week.  With the addition of Western New England College to the CCC there will no longer be divisions in basketball.  At least for men.  So this means two things, the best teams will be rewarded in the playoffs, no protection for weaker teams in one division.  Secondly, more out of conference games for CCC teams.  Only playing 12 conference games will let teams beef up out of conference schedules.  This is an interesting change and I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 18, 2007, 09:24:28 AM
With the elimination of division here is how the playoffs would have looked.  You could have easily seen some different outcomes.

Gordon #1 vs Salve #8
Endicott #2 vs Colby-Sawyer#7
Curry #3 vs Nichols #6
RWU #4 vs WIT #5

Gordon second round game would have been the same either way but the Endicott vs Curry game would have been at the Post Center instead of down at Curry.  I would bet money on Endicott winning at home.  Not a huge difference but switch around a few home games and things can change quickly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 18, 2007, 02:15:20 PM

Why are they getting rid of the divisions when they're adding teams?  There's going to be 14 men's teams playing?  That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

It will be interesting to see what it all looks like when the revised Constitution comes out next fall.


Do you have copies of the new plan?  I didn't think there had been an official vote on any changes yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 22, 2007, 01:50:50 AM
Again I am just going off of what I heard.  Secondly it make perfect sense to me that they would not have divisions with 14 teams.  For one thing with the current format that would mean an additional 3 conference games for each team.  This reduces both the number of games and travel.  19 games is far to many for league play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 23, 2007, 10:47:57 AM

Yeah, that's cool Maq; it's good to have info coming in over the summer.  I'd just like to have a little more concrete evidence before we jump on that train.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on April 24, 2007, 08:23:22 AM
Report off the Wentworth Athletics Site:

Senior forward Bryan Gaine (Braintree, Mass.) of the men's basketball team was named the Most Valuable Player of the 2007 New England Basketball Coaches Association Division III Senior All-Star Game, held Sunday at Babson College. In 13 minutes of action, Gaine scored 17 points and grabbed six rebounds as the "road" team, consisting of representatives from the Commonwealth Coast Conference, NESCAC, and NAC defeated the "home" team, which was comprised of representatives from the NEWMAC, Little East, MASCAC, GNAC, and Independents, 104-95.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 10:25:38 AM

I know Gaine is a solid fundamental player and all, but they had to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to load two rosters with guys who aren't better than him.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GnacAlum55 on April 24, 2007, 12:24:13 PM
Here are the rosters from the game......It was pretty entertaining.  Not a bad crowd either.

Durgin   Kinsey   RIC
Parker   Mike   Eastern Conn.
Cain   Ryan   WPI
Pulkkinen   Chad   St. Joe's
McCombs   Brandon    Salem
Pizzo   Anthony   Springfield
Thompson   Derek   Bridgewater
Matte   Chris   Southern Vermont
Tovar   Alfredo   Emerson
McMahon   John   Rivier
Zukowski   Brian   Wheaton
Abelard   Stephane   UMASS-Dartmouth
Morris   Steve   Newbury
Gadles   Curtis   Westfield
Barros   Tony   UMASS-Boston
Downie   Eric   Salem
Sontag   Brian   Keene
Cheatham   Rene   Norwich

      
Logan   Jerry   Gordon
Williams   David   Elms
Vasiliu   Andreas   Mount Ida
Grendal   Matt   Salve Regina
Shepherd   David   Tufts
McLaughlin   Tim   Amherst
Clarke   Kino   Trinity
Bradley   Kevin   Bowdoin
Muzzy   Tyler   Husson
Kumf   Brian   Tufts
Gaine   Bryan   Wentworth
Martin   Pat   Trinity
Harvey   Jason   Husson
Wheeler   Dan   Amherst
Sullivan   Mike   Endicott


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 01:14:17 PM

Wow, so I wonder if his coaches are wondering why he didn't step his game up for them during the year.


I'm just messing with Gaine.  He really did power that team down the stretch.  They'll really need to step to replace his leadership for next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on April 24, 2007, 03:25:53 PM
I guess we all know who Hoops Fan's least favorite player is
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2007, 03:32:11 PM
Quote from: backboard on April 24, 2007, 03:25:53 PM
I guess we all know who Hoops Fan's least favorite player is

So my "I'm just kidding" statement wasn't good enough for you?

Bryan Gaine is a fine basketball player; I just never in a million years would have guessed that he'd even be invited to that game, let alone be the MVP.  He was nondescript and without gaudy numbers on a squad that relied on team ball.  I was just surprised.  I've got nothing against him.

He's not even my least favorite player on his team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 21, 2007, 12:56:05 PM

Gordon has their schedule up.  I wonder how they are doing the official scheduling now that they are going away from the division format.  GC seems to have lucked out.  They play everybody once and then fill out a 15 game CCC schedule with rematches against traditional rivals Endicott and ENC.

Will these extra two games rotate?  Here is where the schedule now becomes a much bigger deal.  Who gets the good teams at home, who gets extra games against weaker squads?  Maybe this no division thing will work out just fine.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on May 23, 2007, 09:45:41 PM
As I said early in a post there are not going to be divisions in the CCC, so each team plays all other teams once for a 13 game schedule.  As for Gordon's extra games with EC and ENC those are extra games that are going to be considered non-conference games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2007, 10:21:32 AM

They're listed as conference games on GC's website right now.  Who's going to email the AD and ask?  I'll do it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 29, 2007, 11:01:32 AM

OK, those first two GC rivalry games are not in conference.  I did get another tidbit of information as well.  Regis' men's games are not in conference either.  Apparently they declared their intention to field a men's basketball team after the schedule had been set for the conference.  So there will only be twelve conference games this year.


Plus, I guess I'm out of the loop, but apparently there will be a new, full-time commissioner starting in June.  This is a first for the CCC and a big step.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 29, 2007, 08:39:06 PM
The CCC had to add a full time comish because the NAC and the GNAC already had one.  I didnt look good that those two leagues had one and not the CCC.

The CCC was behind the 8 ball on that one. 

Also the new league is hiring a full time comish as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 29, 2007, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 21, 2007, 12:56:05 PM

Gordon has their schedule up.  I wonder how they are doing the official scheduling now that they are going away from the division format.  GC seems to have lucked out.  They play everybody once and then fill out a 15 game CCC schedule with rematches against traditional rivals Endicott and ENC.

Will these extra two games rotate?  Here is where the schedule now becomes a much bigger deal.  Who gets the good teams at home, who gets extra games against weaker squads?  Maybe this no division thing will work out just fine.
Do I perceive that the CCC is emulating the NESCAC to improve their chances at a Pool C bid?   :o

The off-season intrigue builds!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 30, 2007, 11:37:36 AM

I'm not sure why they ditched the conference scheme, maybe one of those secretive emails I get from time to time will explain it.  The women already played the last few years with a 6-7 split between divisions.  Do we know if they are sticking with it now that they're up to 14 teams?


I did get more info on the new commish.  He's got a great resume and tons of experience.  He'll need a crash course of d3 athletics and New England in particular, but I'm sure he'll do a great job.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 01, 2007, 10:48:50 AM

I'm not sure if he's found this site just yet, but today (I believe) is officially the first day for the new Commonwealth Coast Conference Commissioner.  I'd just like to welcome Gregg Kaye (http://www.sunshinestateconference.com/gregg.html) and say we're excited about what a full-time commissioner can do for the conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballinboston on June 01, 2007, 11:37:47 AM
WOW good get for the CCC on this one!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 01, 2007, 11:53:39 AM
Quote from: d3bballinboston on June 01, 2007, 11:37:47 AM
WOW good get for the CCC on this one!

Yeah, I was impressed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 09, 2007, 04:26:41 PM

It looks like we're going to have to change the name of this board.  Apparently we're now The Commonwealth Coast Conference.  According to the website the new acronym is TCCC.  They've even changed the domain name to reflect this change.


I can't exactly figure out why this is a big deal, but it seems to be the way of things.  Regardless, the new website is very nice and I think TCCC will really benefit from the new, full-time commissioner.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2007, 08:33:56 PM
For some reason the CCC dropped D3Scoreboard.com, which seems silly. Now the schools will have to do more work.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2007, 08:34:46 PM
(And no, we don't get any money when conferences use D3Scoreboard.com. We don't own that site.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 09, 2007, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2007, 08:33:56 PM
For some reason the CCC dropped D3Scoreboard.com, which seems silly. Now the schools will have to do more work.

Now they have a commissioner to do the work for them. 


(I'm not serious.)


I have no idea what's going on there.  The new website does look nice.

Perhaps they dropped d3scoreboard.com because even with that some of the schools waited two weeks to post scores?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2007, 10:09:24 PM
No system can force schools to participate. But participation was far higher last year than before.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 10, 2007, 08:19:23 AM

I still don't get the acronym change, Pat, is there another CCC out there they want to differentiate from?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2007, 09:25:21 AM
No, though I wonder if the various encroachments of the MAC on various other conferences is related.

The Middle Atlantic Conference, aka the MAC to everyone in the Mid-Atlantic region, officially now calls itself the Middle Atlantic States Collegiate Athletic Conference, aka MASCAC.

Never mind that there's already a MASCAC.

They also now attempt to brand their individual conferences the Commonwealth Conference and the Freedom Conference, both of which overlapped New England names. (Though, since, the Freedom Football Conference has disbanded.) Formerly they were the Commonwealth League and Freedom League.

To reduce confusion and protect the MASCAC's acronym, we refere to the MAC, the MAC Freedom and the MAC Commonwealth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 10, 2007, 09:46:06 AM

The MASCAC would never notice, even if you stopped covering them on the site altogether, but I see the point.  It's awfully odd.  I sent Joe a PM to see if he could shed light on the thought process, but he's not been around here for a while, so I don't know when I might hear back.

Overall, it will save a couple of keystrokes typing TCCC, rather than the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2007, 08:45:05 AM

I got the scoop on the name change, which now actually makes sense.  They were registering the conference and there was another entity with the legal name "Commonwealth Coast Conference" on the books in Massachusetts, so they went with the official, legal name: The Commonwealth Coast Conference.  I'm not sure that any of the acronyms on this site need to change.  I'm sure the conference will use the official name and TCCC, but I don't think anyone will care if others don't.


Apparently the decision to drop d3scoreboard was not made by the SIDs and with the express purpose of driving traffic to TCCC website.  We'll see how that works, I guess.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2007, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 11, 2007, 08:45:05 AM
I'm not sure that any of the acronyms on this site need to change. 

Don't worry. We have no intention of changing them. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on July 17, 2007, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2007, 08:33:56 PM
For some reason the CCC dropped D3Scoreboard.com, which seems silly. Now the schools will have to do more work.
That one is not entirely etched in stone.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 11, 2007, 08:45:05 AM
Apparently the decision to drop d3scoreboard was not made by the SIDs and with the express purpose of driving traffic to TCCC website.
That's part of the issue.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2007, 08:46:57 PM
Well, no -- they won't have to do more work. Past practice shows that most just won't report to us anymore. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on July 18, 2007, 10:09:42 AM
On a side note, Wentworth has their schedule up
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on July 18, 2007, 12:14:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2007, 08:46:57 PM
Well, no -- they won't have to do more work. Past practice shows that most just won't report to us anymore. :)
No, the dropping of D3Scoreboard is not eched in stone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2007, 02:39:11 PM
Ahh, good news, thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on July 18, 2007, 07:07:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2007, 02:39:11 PM
Ahh, good news, thanks for the heads-up.
It could be good news, but there are still a couple of obstacles to go around if it were to continue.  Hopefully the relationship will continue.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on July 24, 2007, 02:59:39 PM
Just a little offseason news..CSC senior Josh Carter suffered another injury (this time ACL) and his doctor expects him coming back around New Years. Already more trouble for Coach Foti regarding the Point guard spot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 24, 2007, 03:01:48 PM

Man, that stinks for Carter.  I think CSC can cover until the holidays, but Carter has gotten a bum rap for most of his career injury wise.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 03, 2007, 04:10:21 PM

OK, I know what I heard early on this summer, but so far every CCC school that has released a schedule has the Regis men on it.  Earlier I was told these games wouldn't count as conference games, but I'm beginning to wonder if there was a ruling change.  Regis is listed on the website with the other schools for men's basketball.

This is confusing.  Anyone know anything?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2007, 04:49:59 PM
Just because they're playing Regis doesn't mean the games count in the conference standings.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on August 03, 2007, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 03, 2007, 04:10:21 PM

OK, I know what I heard early on this summer, but so far every CCC school that has released a schedule has the Regis men on it.  Earlier I was told these games wouldn't count as conference games, but I'm beginning to wonder if there was a ruling change.  Regis is listed on the website with the other schools for men's basketball.

This is confusing.  Anyone know anything?
From what I was told, the games DO count in the conference standings.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2007, 08:10:28 PM
OK. Just because Hoops Fan was told something doesn't mean it's true. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 03, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Regis (http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/Sports/gen/2007/members.asp?nl=1) is listed on the CCC website as a member of the 14-team conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 03, 2007, 10:08:46 PM

Yeah, Regis decided to run a men's team pretty late in the grand scheme of things and I think it was Joe Hakes who said that Regis games weren't going to count.

Regis has been a member of the conference for a while, but they haven't had men's teams before.

It would make sense to have them in the conference standings and if Bill was under that impression, I'm guessing I either understood Joe wrong or they figured out how to work all the games in.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on August 04, 2007, 08:01:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 03, 2007, 10:08:46 PM

Yeah, Regis decided to run a men's team pretty late in the grand scheme of things and I think it was Joe Hakes who said that Regis games weren't going to count.

Regis has been a member of the conference for a while, but they haven't had men's teams before.

It would make sense to have them in the conference standings and if Bill was under that impression, I'm guessing I either understood Joe wrong or they figured out how to work all the games in.
I know there was some initial confusion as to whether the games would count or not.  Joe may be right and I may be wrong, but from what I was led to believe, they were going to start playing men's basketball in "TCCC" right away.

The "fitting in of games" would actually be easy.  The master schedule, which is used for men and women, comes out with Regis on it.  So, those dates are already built in.  In the past most of the men's teams played a non-league game that night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 04, 2007, 09:28:39 AM
Mr Gorman, thank you for the clarification and your comment on your understanding of the Regis situation.

Best wishes this season, and thank you for all that you do to bring D3sports news to us fans. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 04, 2007, 02:48:38 PM

Thanks Bill.  Like I said, I spoke with Joe early on in the scheme of things.  We'll have to find out this fall.


That is a convenient way to do the schedule, though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on August 06, 2007, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 04, 2007, 09:28:39 AM
Mr Gorman, thank you for the clarification and your comment on your understanding of the Regis situation.

Best wishes this season, and thank you for all that you do to bring D3sports news to us fans. :)
Thanks Ralph.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 04, 2007, 02:48:38 PM

Thanks Bill.  Like I said, I spoke with Joe early on in the scheme of things.  We'll have to find out this fall.


That is a convenient way to do the schedule, though.
Hoops, since just one school is affected (as opposed to a conference like the NEWMAC with more single-sex schools), it really is a convenient way to work the schedule.  Some men's teams will fill it with a non-league, while some will opt to not play, to break up the three-game a week schedule; another thing that was pretty much eliminated from a league standpoint for this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on August 06, 2007, 02:29:52 PM
The Regis men's games this coming season will not count as conference games.  To help them get their program off the ground all the conference members agreed to try and fit them on the schedule this year, but it was not mandatory and we did not even know if it was possible by that point.  Since they don't have their schedule on their website, I don't know how many were able to schedule.  It will be changed on the conference site at some point.

It was felt, not by all, that it would be helpful to Regis in establishing their men's program if they did not play a conference schedule this year.  The conference schedule for this year had already been out for a while, and some schools had scheduled other teams on the date that they were playing the Regis women.  Since the conference did not do the schedule and it may not be a balanced (home/away) schedule it would not make sense this time around. 

I believe that they will begin conference play in the 2008-09 year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 06, 2007, 03:06:00 PM

Thanks, Joe.  As far as I've seen, every CCC school that has released a schedule so far has Regis on it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on August 06, 2007, 04:14:47 PM
Most people may be playing them, but the decision was made before they were scheduling.  Some schools had already scheduled other opponents on the date that their women were playing Regis, so the schedule doesn't have the "conference controls" of place and date that other schedules have.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2007, 12:33:01 AM
And if schools have the games marked as conference games, that wouldn't always make it correct -- I've seen the St. Vincent and Geneva games marked all over the place in the Presidents' Athletic Conference, for example.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on August 16, 2007, 08:18:45 AM
Correcting a previous post.  It has been decided that Regis' men's basketball games will count as conference games this year.  Since they were able to schedule all teams in the conference for this season, they are allowed to have conference status in their first year with men in the college.

My apologies for mis-leading folks.  It was not my intention.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 16, 2007, 08:20:17 AM

Hey, if you didn't know, who cares if we do?  Thanks for the update, though; it's good to know.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 17, 2007, 08:19:52 AM


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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on August 17, 2007, 10:39:14 AM
Quote from: joehakes on August 16, 2007, 08:18:45 AM
Correcting a previous post.  It has been decided that Regis' men's basketball games will count as conference games this year.  Since they were able to schedule all teams in the conference for this season, they are allowed to have conference status in their first year with men in the college.

My apologies for mis-leading folks.  It was not my intention.
Joe, definitely not misleading people and thanks for the "official" answer...there was a LOT of confusion on the subject from what I had been told (I asked three different people and got a different answer from each).

Hope all is well.  I saw you walk into the meeting last night, but didn't get a chance to say hello.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on August 17, 2007, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2007, 02:39:11 PM
Ahh, good news, thanks for the heads-up.
Officially, The Commonwealth Coast Conference will continue to use D3Scoreboard.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on August 17, 2007, 12:42:38 PM
Sorry I didn't see you Bill.  When I walk into a meeting, I mean business.  ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on September 06, 2007, 01:22:29 PM
New to the TCCC (or CCC) when are schedules typically finalized and posted for the entire league?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 06, 2007, 02:15:46 PM
Quote from: ctgridironmom on September 06, 2007, 01:22:29 PM
New to the TCCC (or CCC) when are schedules typically finalized and posted for the entire league?


It's officially TCCC or the CCC, by the way.  The T stands for "the" so you don't need both.  I'm sure we're going to get a lot of that now.


Anyway, this summer has been really good so far.  Usually Gordon has their schedule up in the summer and everyone else is usually in by November or so.  Right now, 9 of the 14 schools have their men's basketball schedule up.

WNEC, RWU, CC, CSC, and AMC are still to come.  Anna Maria is always the worst at posting information.  NEC is usually right there with them, but perhaps the schedule is a good sign.

The fact that TCCC stuck with d3scoreboard.com should improve the flow of scores once the season gets underway.

It looks like the composite schedule is complete here (http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/schedules.asp?season=2007-08&view=all&path=mbball).  Even if the individuals schools don't have the schedules up yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on September 06, 2007, 02:40:56 PM
Thanks so much!  November would seem late - late for someone who likes to plan anyway!

The composite schedule is complete with all the teams who have posted their schedule.  If they haven't posted only their games with team's who have posted are listed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 06, 2007, 03:27:57 PM

Anna Maria's schedule is on the composite and they haven't posted anything, so it is slightly more complete.


November is the way things go around here.  I think all of the conference games are on the composite since that schedule has been done for a long time.  It would just be a few non-conference games that you're missing.

It's even worse when it comes to rosters.  Sometimes the only way to know who's actually playing is to show up at a game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on October 04, 2007, 04:54:37 PM
Now that classes have been back for a little while, does anyone have any news?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 07, 2007, 11:20:55 PM

I haven't heard much, most everyone is still too involved in the Fall season.

RWU does have a new website and their launch means all 14 CCC schools have schedules posted and it's only October 7th.  That's gotta be a record.  Here's hoping rosters come this easy in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 07, 2007, 11:30:25 PM
Back for another run in the revamped TCCC

Last year my picks weren't terribly accurate and I also layed odds for CCC player of the year. My favorites were Justin Kaufmen and Justin Lewis....didn't go great for me. But here we are again.

From Bottom To Top, Lets Go Around The League!

Group 1, 0fer range

14.  Regis - A brand new program in a not terrible league. Probably not a recipe for sucess, they could sneak up on someone on an off night probably.

Group 2, A Ways Away


13. Eastern Naz-   Luc Jasmin returns and Coach Jon Yeh will get this program pointed in the right direction. Colby Dasilva should return this year as well to provide some offensive punch, however I think 13th sounds about right

12. Anna Maria- A program on the rise, but probably not that quick a rise. They should put points on the board again, but they may not be quite ready for primetime.

Group 3, Intrigue

11. UNE - Who really knows what they're going to have. All sorts of crazy rumors around, but at least Issac Stickney gives them a vet precense and a long ride up there is never fun for anyone.

10. Salve Regina - Losing Hazzard and Grendel is not a small order for the Seahawks, is Woodworth ready to carry the day? Did they bring in anything? Time will tell.

9- NEC- Jaziri will keep them in every single game, the rumors of an Oneychi return could change this standing a lot, but for right now I have them as the last team on the outside looking in.

Playoff Bound

8. WNEC - The new kids on the block, I already know this could be by far the worst pick of the lot, this team could be very very dangerous, I admidt I don't know that much about them and reserve the right to change this piece.

7. Endicott - The lose of the 2 big fellahs make them vunerable. Burton and Whitelaw give them a solid backcourt and Gary Corbett will knock down shots.

Dark Horse Champ Candidates

6. Nichols - This year's Wentworth? Everybody back from a decent team and a few touted recruits could equal them coming off the page and shocking the masses. Vallee is so productive.

5. Colby Sawyer - A lot of youth got a lot of minutes last year. I look for a break out year from Rosso and Szeliga to again be a precense in the middle.

4. Curry - Who knows? If you think you know what Curry is going to do this year, you might be crazy. They do have Tim Jones however and if he is healthy he is one of the best guards in New England.

Could Be Champs
3. Gordon - Herr and Logan are huge losses but they have recruited well the last couple of years and the Bajema's and Trigg's of the world can make their mark this year. Not to mention having Marstaller and Kauffman.

2. Wentworth - They won it last year, seriously. They bring just about everyone back including the league player of the year, not to mention Doyle and a full year of Weonard Bynes. They should be fun to watch.

The Champs
1. Roger Williams - A controversial choice to be sure, but they are strong at every position and rumor has it have a very stacked class coming in. I think I see the hawks cutting down the nets come late Feb.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 08, 2007, 08:22:33 AM

I'd kind of like to see who actually comes back before making predictions, but yours are certainly logical.  Things will change though before Thanksgiving, they always do.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on October 16, 2007, 09:27:32 AM
Any word on Dan Gumb's health? He's more of a factor than the 6'10" Barenger, for the RWU team to win out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 17, 2007, 01:58:51 PM

I've been trolling for rosters on the sites and came across this tasty little tidbit


Colby-Sawyer has a real gym floor now. (http://www.colby-sawyer.edu/athletics/06-07_GeneralReleases/Coffin_Floor.html)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 17, 2007, 02:12:25 PM

As far as the rosters go, AMC and SRU have their upperclassmen listed.  AMC has a group of seniors with a lot of experience and some talent.  I'm not saying they'll shock the world, but they might finally have a squad that is capable of winning some games.

UNE has their entire roster up.  Belmonte and Stickney are the only names I recognize.  They've got 6 freshmen listed, 5 guards and a 6-6 center.  They've also got three junior transfers, one of whom is from Grambling (no mention of whether he played there or not).

UNE will have an almost completely new squad, with only three players returning.  Definitely a good thing for them.  It looks like about half the freshman were decent ballers in their respective areas and the other half are "very good students."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Paul Heering on October 17, 2007, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 17, 2007, 01:58:51 PM

I've been trolling for rosters on the sites and came across this tasty little tidbit


Colby-Sawyer has a real gym floor now. (http://www.colby-sawyer.edu/athletics/06-07_GeneralReleases/Coffin_Floor.html)

Maybe I am a dork but I love me a good time lapse photo construction slide show.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2007, 11:16:25 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on October 21, 2007, 08:38:58 PM
practice has begun here on campus and I couldn't be more excited..as for the new crop I have been managing the soccer team so haven't had time to check in..but word is Foti isn't starting Murray..questionable judgement call on a kid who was honorable mention as a sophomore..as for the new floor..it beats the hell out of what used to be there, maybe it will be what the team needs to make a run.

How are things looking elsewhere?

So are they going to try and play tennis outdoors now?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on October 26, 2007, 03:43:33 PM
Gordon put their roster up today...8 new freshman...no big surprises...look for Marstaller to have another year similar to the last 3 and be deserving for POY consideration...also look for Gaskill to take off...the kid showed some real potential last year and with the year of experience should be bigger, stronger, more skilled and smarter

Gordon will probably be a preseason top 2 or 3 pick in the conference, but don't be surprised to see them win it outright...they have some kids who can hoop
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 04, 2007, 09:57:59 AM

Responding to what the last person said, Gordon can be as good as anyone in the conference this year (with the exception of WNEC since I haven't seen them yet).

They schrimaged Daniel Webster last night. They started Marstaller, Schnackenberg, Kaufman, Trigg and Gaskill, with Brady coming off the bench as a sixth man. More minutes for Gaskill will help them get rebounds, but I feel most of the scoring is going to come from the other five. Schnack will get more minutes, and the more he is in the game, the bigger effect he'll have.

The scrimmage was sloppy, with a lot of turnovers (they had a lot against Emerson also) but that's why you do these things.

Honestly, I don't think there is one clear cut favorite this year, but I think it can be narrowed down to Wentworth, Roger, WNEC or Gordon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 04, 2007, 10:04:32 AM
Checked out a few rosters

Gordon's has 20 guys or so.

Endicott has an old CCC friend as well as a comeback.

Wentworth has a ton of new guys.

Curry has a message board hero making a comeback.

Regis has a roster up.

NEC has a comeback as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 05, 2007, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 04, 2007, 10:04:32 AMEndicott has an old CCC friend as well as a comeback.

Bobby Montrod!!

Endicott does not need a PG anymore!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 05, 2007, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 04, 2007, 10:04:32 AM
Curry has a message board hero making a comeback.

James Bartelle and Time Jones?  It's like old home week around here.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 05, 2007, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 04, 2007, 10:04:32 AM
Wentworth has a ton of new guys.

Including a 6-6 transfer from UNH and Pat LaCasse from NHIT.  They might not be too bad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on November 06, 2007, 07:00:43 PM
Chargers had a scrimmage with Plymouth this weekend and looked very impressive in a "win" How are all the other teams looking?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 07, 2007, 01:00:14 PM
The pre-season predictions are out.  Wentworth has been picked to repeat as champions.  New comer to the league, WNEC, was picked to finish second.

http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/News/mbball/2007/11/6/mbbpoll08.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2007, 10:12:43 PM

Wentworth is going to have a strong squad, losing very little and adding two big transfers.

Also, word is Jasmin is out until January or February for ENC.  This could be another long season for them.  Thankfully Regis is on the schedule.  Even their own coach voted them last in the poll.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 08, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
Hey Hoops Fan,
I'm not on campus this year. What's the word on Bobby montrod? You seem to be impressed by him coming to the Gulls.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on November 08, 2007, 12:59:08 PM
once again, all in fun,

*welcome to the jungle blares*

Clones what is up....I am baaaaaack its another season of action in the revamped TCCC. Worst abrev ever...even Orenthal thinks so.

Lets start at the bottom with Regis and my dream of seeing a team run the table in reverse. When your own coach is picking you last that is pretty outstanding....rack the pride.

Now lets talk about the The University Of Western New England College ....wait that's 3 different teams....ridiculous....from what I hear WNEC could be the real deal and the new kids on the block could lay some serious wood on the league this year.

Wait we have an email

"Dear Jim
James Bartelle is back at Curry
....signed.....James Bartelle

War The And1 Mixtape tour stopping in Milton"

....crumples paper. Moving on to the North Coast. Endicott jacks up a transfer from in the league and should be good....Josh Oxton is smiling somewhere....and Sam Evans...pretty sure he was Endicott when they were getting the ball down from the peach baskets...he's about as old as Dominqiue Wilkins.

Up and Gordon they lose Jerry Logan which is a much bigger loss than people up there seem to think, he was the engine of that team....Marstaller is back to finish 2nd in the race for another award.

Wentworth.....the freaking favorite? The new world order in the CCC we'll see if the boys from Boston can juice back up after their magical run or if they will do the superbowl thing and just not be heard from ever again like the 2004 Raiders.....also can we get a moratorium on the PB and J thing, lets call the dude by his real name this year

Salve Regina....still in the league

We got another email

"Dear Van Smack
Gary Corbett is the most underrated player in the league

signed....Gary Corbett

war Mike Plansky"

strong smack. We will be back after a short break we are out to Mike Tully for an interview and hopefully will be joined in studio by one of the dudes that jacked up the colby sawyer linolium floor.

I am out
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 08, 2007, 09:40:35 PM
Quote from: gullfan on November 08, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
Hey Hoops Fan,
I'm not on campus this year. What's the word on Bobby montrod? You seem to be impressed by him coming to the Gulls.

He had an underrated freshman year dishing to Jaziri and Onyechi at NEC a couple years back.  The kid up at UNE might be a little better with the dimes, but I'd give Montrod the frontrunner status as poor man's PG in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on November 09, 2007, 06:21:43 PM
Thanks for the insight Hoops! What up with the unsolicited shot at Corbett. Is this the start of Gordon games again!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 15, 2007, 10:00:52 PM
The season finally gets going tomorrow as teams begin with non-conference opponents.  Here's a look a who's playing who:

Gordon vs. Mount St. Vincent (Gordon Tip-Off Tournament)
Wentworth vs. Husson (UMass Dartmouth Tip-Off Tournament)
Colby-Sawyer vs. Johnson State (Rivier Tip-Off Tournament)
NEC vs. Mount Ida (NEC Tip-Off Tournament)
UNE vs. Unity (at Thomas College)
WNEC vs. Rhode Island College (Wesleyan Tip-Off Tournament)
Curry vs. New Jersey City  (at Muhlenberg Tip-Off Tournament)
Nichols vs. WPI (Worcester Country Classic)
Roger Williams vs. Castleton
Salve Regina vs. Lasell (Keene Tip-Off Tournament)
Anna Maria vs. Rivier (Rivier Tip-Off Tournament)
Eastern Naz. vs. Eastern Conn. State Uni.


The games are taken off each school's respective website.  The D3 Board reports some differences, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2007, 12:26:56 PM

You should probably use the conference website to get schedules.  That (as well as d3hoops.com) get their info from d3scoreboard.com, which should be accurate.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2007, 08:28:58 PM
Tim Jones is working his magic again, Curry knocks off NJCU (a pretty decent squad) with a lot of input from their starting five.

Mastrullo had 18 with 7 assists, Jones scored 16, LaMarre went for 16 and 12, Bartelle had 13 points and Bowers had 13 boards.  We'll see if they have a bench this season, but Curry seems ready to go.


RWU won big over Castleton 91-56.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on November 16, 2007, 11:08:36 PM
Gordon methodically takes care of Mount Saint Vincent tonight...the Dolphins hung close for about 2/3 of the game before the Scots discipline and shooting ability took over...4 guys in double figures with the leading scorers at 16 a piece
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2007, 11:29:57 PM

UNE took out Unity 102-35

WNEC opened their life in the CCC by hanging close to RIC, falling 56-65

Husson beat Wentworth 78-69; not a good start for the defending champs

Nichols put on a good showing against WPI, losing 80-101

NEC loses to Fitchburg, which can't be good 77-105; ouch.

ENC loses to WConn 60-79, actually not as bad as I expected

CSC beats Johnson State 86-74

Lasell tops Salve 77-61
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2007, 11:42:21 PM

Todd Doyle didn't play for Wentworth tonight; that could be interesting.  I'm not sure how that team loses to Husson.  21 turnovers didn't help; I'm guessing Doyle would have cut down on those.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2007, 12:28:50 AM

WNEC took out Wesleyan 68-58
NEC beat Lyndon State 116-91
UNE beat Fisher 87-41
NC goes down to Becker (Ouch) 79-82
WIT over Albertus Magnus 90-56
ENC beat Mitchell (Who knew?) 70-62
CSC over Anna Maria 93-70
RWU took our Clark 83-79
Regis begins their men's basketball run with a beating at the hands of Salem State, 85-42
Salve over Lesley 85-63
EC beat Wheelock 60-34 (I think this was Wheelock's first ever men's game)
GC slips by Westfield 50-48
Curry beats Muhlenburg 92-71; the colonels look legit, for now
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2007, 12:45:11 AM

Doyle was absent again for Wentworth, but they did ok without him.

Szeliga had 25 for CSC and Anna Maria managed to stay relatively close.

Endicott played like crap and cruised to an easy victory (5 steals for Montrond)

Gordon shot poorly from 3, but a win is a win, I guess.

Jaziri followed up a 14 point night with a 36 point night to keep his average at 25.

Nichols just sucks.

As does Regis, although they have an excuse.

Roger Williams is playing very well and Barranger seems to have finally found his game - 25 and 12 after 16 points the night before.

Salve's doing alright; it looks like Walsh and Woodworth are doing ok.

UNE shows us nothing, scheduling the two easiest games on Earth to open the season.

WNEC posts a nice win, but I know nothing about them.  There will be a lot of rookie hazing coming from me this year.  I may even refuse to acknowledge they're in the league unless they force me to with overwhelming play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 18, 2007, 07:51:03 PM
Where is Burgos for Endicott?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on November 20, 2007, 02:46:57 AM
Szeliga scored 35 and 25 in the Rivier Tip off..if teams keep refusing to adjust to him then winning will be easier for CSC than it is for a guy at regis to make a sports team (just a joke)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2007, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on November 20, 2007, 02:46:57 AM
Szeliga scored 35 and 25 in the Rivier Tip off..if teams keep refusing to adjust to him then winning will be easier for CSC than it is for a guy at regis to make a sports team (just a joke)


It's ok; they barely have a team, I'm sure they don't have any posters yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 20, 2007, 03:18:00 PM
Gordon will have to do something about their slow starts.  In both games last weekend they were down by at least 8 points.  One other area of concern is turnovers.  They need to do a much better job of protecting the ball.  Other than those two concerns, they played well.  The defense is smothering and scoring was balanced.  Lets see what happens when they are playing teams that are more familiar with them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2007, 02:00:05 PM

UNE went down to Bowdoin 64-91

RWU lost to ConnColl 52-63; Barranger got handcuffed, they're going to go as he goes this year, I think, which means up and down if history is any indication

WNEC down to Keene 71-90

Anna Maria beat Newbury in 2OT 98-92

Curry loses to MIT 77-101; it seems defense is still their achilles' heel - lots of turnovers in this game and very few assists; they're gonna have to hit the boards harder

NEC got whooped by Rivier 121-86 ouch

ENC loses to Lesley 63-80

Regis gets their first victory over Mitchell 69-65  congrats to them!  Wow, that Regis-ENC game is going to be a thriller to decide last place.

Gordon beats Wheelock 67-46
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 24, 2007, 02:55:34 PM

Curry went down to Greensboro 86-95, they didn't rebound again.  They really need to start hitting the boards.  Greensboro is a pretty good team.  It's amazing CC could stay so close without hitting the boards.  They did knock down 50% of their threes, though.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2007, 12:32:34 PM

Regis beat Mt Ida for another win 73-56

Curry beat Christopher Newport 85-74.  Curry is certainly working hard to schedule good competition from a variety of regions early on.



Just an FYI, no one will probably notice for a while, but AMC has a couple of pretty solid freshmen.  One of whom, Chris Pinsonault, has already hit 15 of 23 three pointers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2007, 09:32:23 AM

UNE lost to Colby last night 101-82.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goldenpipes on November 27, 2007, 09:22:53 PM
hoops fan - did you see regis beat mount ida? I saw mount ida play lyndon st at the NEC tourney in henniker 10 days ago - they looked pretty solid against the hornets - I was suprised to see them lose 17 to Regis...any idea what happened in that game?

I havent seen anything on Regis either so they may have a solid 1st year squad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2007, 10:29:34 PM

I think Regis has three wins already, at least according to TCCC website.

Gordon got rocked by MIT tonight 44-66, held under 30% shooting.  GCs off this year, but MIT is smoking so far.  Not sure what to make of that one.

WIT beat Becker 70-64.  A source told me that Becker is legit, at least more legit than they have been, so this might not be a bad score.

RWU lost to Coast Guard 54-63.  Who knows what that means, has any team been more up and down than Coast Guard the last few seasons?

WNEC beat Mass College, which has never been a big deal in the past.  73-68.

Salve lost to Wheaton (MA) 95-84.  It looks like there might not be any decent CCC team in the region this year.

ENC goes down to Wheelock.  Ouch 63-65.

CSC hung with Keene, sort of 60-76.

Nichols got trounced by Westfield 54-85.

EC loses to Bates 62-63.  Bates must be really hurting this year.

Regis loses to Worcester 70-84; at least the CCC teams are scoring this year.

No news from NEC or AMC; big surprise.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goldenpipes on November 28, 2007, 12:45:32 PM
Plymouth St 89 NEC 75

The game was played at NHTI last night which contributed to the reporting delay.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on November 28, 2007, 02:57:51 PM
Good win for WIT last night. Becker is always unpredictable and dangerous. Prezzie-Blue paced the Leopards with 22 while transfer Matt Abbot and sophomore Shane West chipped in with 10.  Also last night Doyle made his first start of the season, some kind of groin pull prevented him from playing in the first two games. He had 8 in limited action.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2007, 04:11:12 PM
Quote from: punk4life on November 28, 2007, 02:57:51 PMBecker is always unpredictable and dangerous.


That's not at all true, but they do seem to be much improved this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on November 28, 2007, 04:33:48 PM
I was at the Gordon/ MIT last night and I was impressed by MIT...they overpowered Gordon on both ends of the floor...they were quicker, stronger and just more athletic than GC...this was the first time I've seen Jimmy Bartolotta play and he was as good as advertised goin for 23, 8 and 8 in only 27 minutes

Gordon's shooting was absolutely awful...if my memory serves me right they didn't get more than a bucket or two from the 4 minute mark in the first half til the 15 minute mark in the 2nd half...not bad from the outside at 7-20, but baskets inside were hard to come by as MIT is good in the post

I think Gordon will rebound nicely this weekend against Newbury before heading into a big "non-conference" matchup with rival Endicott
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on November 28, 2007, 09:56:40 PM
Becker might not be traditionally thought of as dangerous but in the last couple years they have been for the leopards. Every couple of years Becker brings in a kid out of nowhere who dominates and then disappears once first semester grades come in. With finals coming up you could see this one being a trap game for them, like it was two years ago when Wentworth lost at Becker.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2007, 09:12:50 AM

UNE lost to St Joe's of Maine by 10 - 76-66.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2007, 12:23:59 PM

Friday Night:

WNEC beat Springfield 59-54; that was a good pick-up for the CCC, WNEC is solid in every sport, not spectacular, but good to improve the conference reputation.

ENC lost in OT at home to Green Mountain (not as bad as it sounds this year) 75-77.  ENC gets a rematch with Mitchell today.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 01, 2007, 07:27:39 PM
Wentworth goes to UNE and wins 54-51.  A rare low scoring affair for both teams largely due to 42 combined turnovers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on December 01, 2007, 07:49:28 PM
Doyle was out again for WIT.  Leopard faithful need to pray his injury isn't too serious, they are really going to need him at Coast Guard this week. One good thing for WIT is that other guys are stepping up in Doyle's absence. Junior Brad Bryant led Wentworth in scoring today with 14. Bryant didn't get much run last season but has looked good so far this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2007, 01:58:13 AM
Saturday Score:

WNEC gave Amherst their first real game of the season, losing 51-63.

Anna Maria goes down to Clark 77-94.

ENC beats Mitchell for the second time this season, 74-65.

CSC over Lesley 93-70.

As mentioned, WIT over UNE 54-51.

EC stays close to a struggling WPI squad losing 67-77.

RWU sneaks up on Wesleyan, but falls just short 67-71.

Regis loses to the improved Becker squad 74-88.

GC sneaks by Newbury 65-53.

NEC gets spanked by Conn Coll 69-95.

Nichols beats Lyndon State 97-70.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2007, 11:08:40 PM

Nichols lost to Norwich on Sunday 64-66.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on December 04, 2007, 10:09:07 AM
Endicott Sucks....Gordon by 10 tonight


sorry, I just miss the usual banter before a game like EC/GC

the board has been pretty quiet this year
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2007, 11:29:34 AM
Endicott has been struggling a bit lately, but they've also played some tough competition.  They hung close with Bates and WPI but were blown out by MIT.  Credit to them for playing those teams after they themselves lost a lot.  Gordon has been averaging 64.6 points a game, which isn't very Gordonesque.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them turn that around tonight and win by at least ten.  Either way it'll be an interesting guard match-up
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2007, 07:06:39 PM

I don't think either squad has shown much thus far.  I have to set the over under at 123 tonight.  Smart money's on the under.  I'll go with Gordon, but either team could win this one.  Very tough to call.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2007, 07:11:06 PM

Tonight's slate:

WIT @ Framingham, tough test for the defending champs; let's hope Doyle is on the court, otherwise WIT is toast.
ENC @ Mt Ida
EC @ GC
CSC hosts Castleton
AMC hosts Mitchell (is AMC of ENC the worst team in the conference right now?  We find out tonight)
WNEC @ MIT - A win here would be huge; MIT has been on fire early
NC hosts Worcester State
SRU @ RWU - It's the other grudge match
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on December 04, 2007, 08:54:50 PM
Gordon slips by Endicott 66-57 in a game that was a 2-3 point spread up til the last minute...Marstaller leads Gordon with 16, but only 6-17 from the floor...Endicott had 5 guys in double figures and outrebounded the Scots 44-30 (18 offensive)...Gordon was lucky to win this game...I wouldn't be surprised to see Endicott get the W in the rematch at EC...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on December 04, 2007, 08:59:08 PM
Wentworth 91, Framingham State 89

Prezzie-Blue ties a school record with 36 points (on 13-23 shooting)...Bynes has 20 and 8 (on 10-11 shooting)...West went for 17 and 9.

Wentworth led pretty much from start to finish, shooting 72 percent from the floor in the first half, and was up 10 with 2:10 left.  Framingham capitalized on a couple of missed FT's and turnovers and missed two shots at the end to tie the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2007, 09:57:02 PM
Very impressing by Wentworth (especially if they were without Doyle) and Prezzie-Blue.  Tough match-up against Coast Guard in CT on Thursday.

Gordon over Endicott.  Endicott led at the half, but not enough firepower down the stretch as Gordon's defense clamped down.

WNEC loses to MIT 71-57.  WNEC was only down by 2 at the half, but MIT outscored them by 12 in the second.  Too many turnovers, 19, for WNEC, but otherwise a good showing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on December 04, 2007, 10:11:15 PM
Close game tonight at the Bennet center.  I wouldn't call the win lucky at all for the Scots though, Gordon lead the entire second half.  The seniors for Gordon had a good game, I see Gordon getting a similiar result later on this year.  EC just doesn't have anyone that really scares you offensively.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 04, 2007, 11:34:57 PM
Similarly, I wouldn't say Gordon got lucky. It was a typical EC/GC game... close game the whole way through with a lot of momentum shifts. EC's biggest lead was 7, and until the final 30 seconds, Gordon's was 5.

The reason someone might look at this game and say Gordon was lucky is because they haven't played as well as people thought they would. They shot 32% in the first half, but made up for it with 55% in the second half. Gordon's struggled with shooting percentage, so we'll see if it'll stay the same or go up.

Endicott looked like they were going to win most of the game. They had 12 offensive rebounds in the first half, but didn't put a lot of those bask for points. They were able to force turnovers and turn those into easy baskets. They just couldn't match Gordon's baskets in the final two minutes.

EC seems like a balanced team on offense, and doesn't have a threat like a PB to score 36.

To try and predict what will happen in February is dumb. Both teams can improve a lot, so we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2007, 09:31:27 AM

Congrats to PB&J for his mention onthe d3hoops.com front page as well.  Doyle didn't play, by the way.  If WIT can learn to play this well without him, they are going to be very dangerous when he comes back.

WNEC can't feel too bad MIT is on fire and has a big game against Amherst coming up, so they've got to be fired up.

GC prevailed on the backs of their seniors, which makes sense.  We'll see if the EC guys can gel a little more before they play for real in the Spring.  Remember, last night's game was non-conference because of the new schedule where you play everyone once.

In other action:

ENC beat Mt. Ida 64-58 for their third win of the year already passing last year's season win total.  They'll be getting all-conference selection Luc Jasmin back after the holidays; maybe they'll over achieve (if they haven't done that already).

CSC beat Castleton 84-70.  Szeliga continues to dominate, but John Chaloux is starting to come on.  I wonder how they will play when the match up against a solid front court.  Should be interesting.  CSC is definitely a wild-card this year.

AMC beat Mitchell 91-83, staking their claim to "not quite worst" in the CCC.

RWU over Salve 77-66.  Salve led at the half, but the superior talent of RWU won out in the end.

Nichols goes down to Worcester State76-82.  Oddly their roster, which has been fairly intact for several years now is just not getting the job done.  Perhaps this team is the low-water mark for the conference?

Two games tonight:

Curry hosts Lesley and UNE hosts Wheelock
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 05, 2007, 11:42:13 PM
UNE defeated Wheelock by 13.  Isaac Stickney drops 24 points.

Curry defeated Lesley by 11.  Tim Jones with 30 points, 6 assists.  Bowers goes for 17 points and 16 boards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 06, 2007, 02:56:23 PM
Tonight's games:

Wentworth at Coast Guard (should be an interesting matchup)
Colby-Sawyer at Bowdoin
Wheaton at Roger Williams
Becker at Nichols (rematch of November 17th game which Becker won by 3)
Suffolk at NEC
Anna Maria at Framingham Sate
Salve Regina at RIC
Eastern Naz at Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on December 06, 2007, 10:37:38 PM
Wentworth goes down to Coast Guard 74-72. No box score yet but both Bynes and Doyle were out of action.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: atn alum on December 07, 2007, 10:22:06 AM
I was there...REALLY good game. Playoff-like intensity, could have gone either way. Prezzie-Blue was very impressive. CGA won on a late 3, after Wentworth rallied from 8 down with 5 and change left to go ahead...

I'm hopeful they meet again this season. Good matchup, though I know Wentworth was a bit shorthanded.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2007, 12:56:57 PM
Quote from: punk4life on December 06, 2007, 10:37:38 PM
Wentworth goes down to Coast Guard 74-72. No box score yet but both Bynes and Doyle were out of action.

If they were without both those guys, this is an incredibly positive score.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2007, 01:01:00 PM

From Thursday:

CSC 60 Bowdoin 88
WIT 72 Coast Buard 74
Regis 62 Newbury 73
NC 74 Becker 51 (has any team been more up and down than Nichols?)
RWU 71 Wheaton 76
NEC 66 Suffolk 65
AMC 81 Framingham 78 (Big win for AMC)
SRU 72 RIC 83
ENC 50 Gordon 64
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goldenpipes on December 07, 2007, 07:59:37 PM
NEC beat Suffolk at the buzzer...word has it that Onyechi beat the clock to schnag win #1 for NEC in the battle of the Jaziri bros.

Ryan Jaziri led NEC with 19, BJ Brown 18 and Kingsley notched a 14-10 and 3 blks line including the gamer.

Pilgrims play Lyndon and Castleton before the break.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on December 07, 2007, 10:34:32 PM
Nice to see some more good wins for the CCC with AMC over Framingham and NEC over Suffolk.

WIT has RPI at home tomorrow. This will be a good measuring stick for where they are at as a team right now. Last year WIT got smoked at RPI on the last game before the break, just like it is this year. Only last year they had Doyle in the lineup, but not Bynes.  Hopefully WIT can take advantage of finally having a home game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on December 08, 2007, 05:22:45 PM
Gordon trails Salem State at half 35-31
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: newenglandball on December 08, 2007, 05:43:43 PM
newbury beats curry 67-59.  Newbury was down by 19 in 1st half and took the lead at the half by 1.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on December 08, 2007, 05:49:15 PM
Tough loss for WIT today. They lost by about 10, and actually had Doyle in the lineup, my mistake, but not Bynes. Althugh Doyle did not look 100% at all. WIT got dominated in the frontcourt this year just like last year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on December 08, 2007, 07:02:27 PM
Gordon falls at Salem State 75-65...Marstaller scores 23, Schnackenberg 18 and Trigg 16...Scots were only 2-16 from 3 and Marstaller and Trigg were a combined 16-39 :o
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2007, 12:56:03 AM

Sat Scores:

WNEC 83 Bridgewater 72
EC 82 CCNY 68
NEC 88 Lyndon 75
WIT 62 Rensselaer 76
SRU 47 Conn Coll 65
RWU 73 J&W 85
ENC 65 Framingham 92
UNE 70 Farmington 57
GC 65 Salem 75

The other scores haven't been officially reported.  If that Curry score is right, that's kinda sad.  They have Brandeis coming up and they need to get it together.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 11, 2007, 11:19:09 AM
Prezzie-Blue and Jaziri both named Player of the Week.  Nichols Garret Bishop earned Rookie of the Week
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2007, 12:49:08 PM

Only one game tonight:

UNE hosts Southern Maine
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 11, 2007, 02:31:18 PM
Curry is also going on the road to play Brandeis
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 11, 2007, 10:23:37 PM
UNE wins by one over Southern Maine, 66-65.  Simpson had 26 and Stickney recored 18

Curry loses to Brandeis 78-67.  Brandeis out-rebounded Curry 54-22.  Bowers had 19 while Jones had 18.  Have to imagine that if Curry rebounded better that they might have actually won this one, who knows.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2007, 03:17:28 PM

Sorry I missed that game.  It wasn't on the conference site when I checked.  I was in a hurry.  My dog ate my homework.  You know how it goes.


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on December 13, 2007, 07:28:30 PM
I'm posting this a little late tonight, but the Husson at Gordon game for tonight is canceled due to weather.  We will try to make this one up, most likely in February.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2007, 11:39:38 AM

I'm not sure anyone is reading this board anymore, but here's the extended weekend round-up:

Thursday
NEC loses to Castleton 94-112
GC-Husson - postponed until 2/6
EC-Emmanuel - postponed until 1/29

No games on TCCC website for the rest of the weekend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on December 18, 2007, 08:05:52 AM
Hoops,

I am still reading it.  But it may be just the two of us at this point.

JH
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: reelentless on December 18, 2007, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: joehakes on December 18, 2007, 08:05:52 AM
Hoops,

I am still reading it.  But it may be just the two of us at this point.

JH
I think you may have a few "Region Readers" who like myself only post on our local board.   Thanks for keeping it going, hope you continue.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 18, 2007, 10:17:48 AM
There also isn't too much to report during the break
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on December 18, 2007, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: joehakes on December 18, 2007, 08:05:52 AM
Hoops,

I am still reading it.  But it may be just the two of us at this point.

JH
I'm in, so it's at least three.  Wentworth vs Newport News (Apprentice School) this afternoon in Florida.  The Builders have split this season with Virginia Wesleyan.  I think it's the only game on TCCC docket...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on December 18, 2007, 12:33:52 PM
Wentworth/Newport News (today) and Wentworth/Goucher (Thursday) are indeed the lone games on TCCC docket this week.  Live stats, courtesy of Barry University, are available for both games at http://www.tripsports.com/Cruzin%20Classic/07%20CC%20Game%20Schedule.html (http://www.tripsports.com/Cruzin%20Classic/07%20CC%20Game%20Schedule.html).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 20, 2007, 05:48:37 PM

So it's me and a few people who are paid to be involved in this .  I'm really glad on what that says about me.  Things are getting busier, so even I might not be around as much anymore, but I'll try to tough it out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on December 20, 2007, 08:04:16 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 20, 2007, 05:48:37 PM

So it's me and a few people who are paid to be involved in this .  I'm really glad on what that says about me.  Things are getting busier, so even I might not be around as much anymore, but I'll try to tough it out.
Paid?  I get paid for this?  You learn something new every day. ;D
Wentworth 86, Goucher 50
Prezzie-Blue scores 25 (on 10-17 (4-6 behind the arc) shooting) with seven assists, six boards, and three steals).
Doyle adds 16 and six assists
Wentworth shot 56 percent from the floor and never trailed.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on December 20, 2007, 08:48:29 PM
It's the things you don't get paid for that you can really enjoy.  Like this board. 

This is not the professional part of the job, believe me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on December 20, 2007, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: joehakes on December 20, 2007, 08:48:29 PM
It's the things you don't get paid for that you can really enjoy.  Like this board. 

This is not the professional part of the job, believe me.
Can you call Lee and tell him to give me a raise?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on December 21, 2007, 01:47:23 PM
Don't worry, I am here also!  There is just nothing to write about when no games are on the schedule.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 21, 2007, 03:41:40 PM
Looks like Wentworth finally got their "Big 3" back.  Blue, Doyle, and Bynes all back in the starting lineup together for their winter break tournament
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: atn alum on December 21, 2007, 07:52:04 PM
Yeah, Hoops Fan, keep posting ...More interested in the tidbit-type stuff off games, since I can find scores on scoreboard, but good to keep the buzz going.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 22, 2007, 03:00:38 PM
Just for fun and to stir up controversy, the Top 5 players in the league, in no particular order:

Sherrard Prezzie-Blue
Tim Jones
John Marstaller
Ryan Jaziri
John Bowers

Some other names that deserve acknowledgment:

Aaron Trigg
Todd Doyle
Johnnie Jefferson
Isaac Stickney
Duncan Szeliga
Asif Abdul-Wadud
Kingsley Onyechi
Ryan Wilcox
Justin Woodworth
Garret Bishop
Mark Mastrullo
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2007, 11:03:31 PM

Don't forget Jasmin at ENC.  He's on schedule to be back January-ish.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 04, 2008, 10:02:51 AM
Yesterday's games:

Roger Williams 61 @ Montclair State 63
Curry 80 @ Mass-Dartmouth 87
Anna Maria 88 @   Worcester Polytech 120

Tonight's games:
Drew @ Roger Williams
Plattsburgh State @ Gordon
Maine-Presque Isle @ University of New England
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 04, 2008, 09:21:10 PM
http://www.gordon.edu/athletics/article.cfm?iArticleID=856

Word.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on January 04, 2008, 10:11:17 PM
I was at the Gordon game, finally one in my "neck of the woods" - Upstate NY.  Gordon played a terrific, nearly flawless first half.  They moved the ball well and did not allow Plattsburgh State to take advantage of what advantage they had size-wise underneath.  Plattsburgh, while appearing talented, did not seem like they gave a lot of effort in the first half and made Gordons good effort look like they were running rings around them at times.  The second half started slowly for Gordon as they went the first five minutes or so without a field goal letting Plattsbugh back into the game getting the lead down to eight or so.  Gordon did start to play better again in the second half but the turning point seemed to be halfway through the last half when a Plattsbugh player was called for a foul and their coach lost it and received a technical foul.  Gordon's lead jumped from 8 or 10 to 11 or 13 and that seemed to deflate the other team and GC was able to build their lead back up to 17 again and eventually win by 18, 80-62.  As Plattsburgh tried to get back in the game, Gordon's free throw shooting in that half was lights out and was a big reason why their opponent didn't come all of the way back.  If GC missed more than 2 or 3 free throws in the second half, it wasn't much more.  Michael Schnackenburg was a significant contributor in that second half as Gordon re-established their big lead - I believe he took the technical free throws and was a big contributor during that stretch.  At least five Gordon players scored in double digits.  I'll try to report back following tomorrow afternoons game...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 05, 2008, 12:11:27 PM
Last night:

Gordon 80 - Plattsburgh 62
Roger Williams 64 - Drew 51
UNE 95 - Maine-Presque Isle 55

Good showing by TCCC

Tonights games:

Massachusetts College @ Western New England
Wheelock @ Anna Maria
Curry @ Worcester Polytech
Gordon @ Union
Endicott @ Colby
Eastern Nazarene @ Connecticut College
Salve Regina @ Catholic
Wesleyan @ University of New England
Southern Vermont @ Nichols
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on January 05, 2008, 06:40:37 PM
This game was pretty much a tale of two halves for GC.  In the first half, Gordon looked lost, listless and couldn't buy a break as several shots rimmed in and out.  It took about five minutes before they hit there first field goal.  With about five minutes to go, GC found themselves down 22-11 when Coach Schauer called a timeout and went verbally berzerk on them.  That seemed to do the trick, as the team that played so well last night, finally showed up and tied the score 24 all before a kid from Union hit a three to give the hosts a 3 point lead at halftime.  The second half was a lot like the last five of the first half.  GC spent the first ten minutes building a 10-12 point lead and the last ten keeping it. 

Anyway, I will pretty much return to "reader" status ;) as Gordon is never this close for me to see them and have much to say.  On behalf of those of us who don't get to see the team or anyother team from TCCC play that often, thank you to all of you regular posters for your insight and wit.  I really enjoy reading your posts as they keep me connected to GC Hoops and TCCC.  Thanks again and Go Gordon!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 06, 2008, 04:03:20 PM
Last night:

Mass College 49 - WNEC 84
Wheelock 75 - Anna Maria 94
Curry 73 - WPI 105 (Tim Jones scored 34 points but the team combined for 30 turnovers)
Gordon 60 - Union 49
Endicott 78 - Colby 76
Eastern Naz 49 - Connecticut College 63
Salve Regina 59 - Catholic 75
Wesleyan 69 - UNE 61
Southern Vermont  74 - Nichols 80
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 07, 2008, 11:20:39 AM
It looks like TCCC has had a good Christmas break so far.  Any news on new players or old ones returning?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 07, 2008, 11:59:26 AM
*Welcome To The Jungle*

Clones what is up!? I am baaaack.....quick takes not sucking

The newly revamped Tccc is taking some getting used to and I'm not just talking about that nonsense initial at the beginning of the abrev. With the new schedule there were very few matchups of league teams before the break and those were non league games....what in the name of Casey Butler is going on here.

...Up in Beverly Joey Burgos is back in uniform for the Power ERRRRR just Gulls- will he be enough to put them over the top...good question...

..Milton Mass...will someone other than the big 4 score for Curry, more to the point will Bartelle last the season or will he be hoisiting halfcourt shots and playing music by the playoffs...merits watching

The defending champion Wentworth Leopards...which does not sound right have  been all over the map, Sherrad Prezzie-Blue is awfully dangerous will they be able to ride him again?

Up at Gordon the Scots are dealing quite well with the loss of Logan and Herr and seem poised to make a run...WNEC are the new kids on the block and people are pretty scared of them I'm willing to bet, lastly what is up with NEC running the Hawaii football offense, they may score 200 points in a game before the end of the year, of course they may lose 212-203.

Looking forward to some league games finally, seeing what the CCC squads can do against each other.

We'll be back from the break with a call from Pat Quinn and and Eastern Naz email contest.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 08, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
it has been quiet here for a good period...
but games are beginning to pick up again...

ostensibly halfway through the season, going into conference play, how do you all perceive the final standings to look?

gordon is at the top right now, with a watermark win against plattsburgh state...
wnec has played some very tough teams and it will be interesting to see how they fare against everyone in tccc play...

how does everyone feel the final standings will look?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 08, 2008, 12:46:20 PM
FINAL CCC STANDINGS:

14.   Regis - self explanatory

13. ENC - On their way

12. UNE - just not good enough

11. AMC - ditto

10. SRU - ditto

9. NEC - Jaziri and not much else.

8. Nichols - Bishop and Vallee carry them to the post season.

7. Endicott- Not enough in the tank this year. Also why didn't Montrond play against Colby.

6. Curry- Inconsistant but still have Jones and Bowers and are dangerous any given night.

5. Colby-Sawyer - Ready to make a move.

4. Roger Williams- Will they fade down the stretch yet again?

3. Gordon - Playing well but the loss of Herr and Logan will catch up to them.

2. WNEC - New kids on the block, this team is for real and they play everyone.

1. Wentworth- The Returning Champs finally seem to be healthy, not sure if they can be consistant enough to win it in the regular season but my guess is they win it when it counts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 08, 2008, 02:58:57 PM
1. Gordon
2. Western New England
3. Wentworth
4. Endicott
5. Colby-Sawyer
6. Curry
7. UNE
8. Roger Williams
9. Nichols
10.Anna Maria
11. Salve Regina
12. NEC
13. Eastern Nazerene
14. Regis
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 10, 2008, 07:55:26 AM
games tonight...

New England College @ Wheelock...5:00 p.m.
Salve Regina @ Worcester State...7:00 pm
Regis @ Gordon...7:00 p.m.
Endicott @ Bridgewater State...7:00 p.m.
Western New England @ Westfield State...7:30 p.m.
Roger Williams @ UMass Dartmouth...8:00 p.m.

conference play is finally getting under way and we'll begin to see who will be the movers and shakers this season...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2008, 07:53:30 PM
Quote from: scout on January 10, 2008, 07:55:26 AM
conference play is finally getting under way and we'll begin to see who will be the movers and shakers this season...


I don't want to disparage you.  I'm really just saying this because it struck me as funny, not to make fun.  But this statement was made below a list of games from which only one was a conference game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 10, 2008, 09:37:04 PM
you got me... ;)

i guess i was paying a little too much attention to the fact that i was planning on being at the regis - gordon game...

which, by the way, was an ugly game with virtually no flow for either side...
don't let the final score (81-60) fool you into thinking it was a game completely controlled by gordon...
while gc certainly had the advantage both in height and talent, the game featured a high number of fouls and turnovers...
phil alibrandi of regis actually posted a double-double... of course 9 of those points came from the free throw line...

it wasn't until 10 minutes into the second half that gc found some semblance of rhythm offensively...
a lot of this could be attributed to the referees calling FORTY FIVE fouls during the span...

in the other games...

Salve Regina      65   Worcester St.      71
Endicott      56      Bridgewater St.      65

and at this time, the other results have not been posted yet...

i'll be sure to look more closely at things in the future...
thanks for catching that, Hoops...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 11, 2008, 08:11:56 AM
The refs at the Gordon-Regis game last night have to be the worst crew I have ever seen in the nine years I have been following Gordon.  GC is lucky they finally took control.  Regis looks nervous with the ball.  They picked up their dribble way to soon consistently and only two players looked like they wanted to take it to the hoop.  The major reason being the entire team are freshman except one soph and one junior.  I hope Gordon can play a lot better this Saturday when Wentworth comes to the Bennet Center.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 11, 2008, 10:09:36 AM
is anyone else at least somewhat impressed with Regis this year?  For a program in their first year ever being 6-7 through the first 13 games of the season is very impressive, I  havent had a chance to see them play although they must be doing something well to be .500 heading into conference play, now given they are likely to finish the season under .500 what they have done to this point is quite impressive.  their only win that jumps out is their 1 point victory over Fitchburg state the rest are over some pretty terrible teams, but if they can pull out 4 or 5 conference wins somehow to muster up 10 wins in an inagural season that deserves some credit....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 11, 2008, 11:03:52 AM
broke_ya: am i surprised? quite... i have had conversations with numerous people from various institutions in the ccc and they were surprised that regis jumped right into the ccc... it's quite usual for a brand new program to have a probationary year before entering into a conference... i'm not entirely sure if it was regis who made their case strong enough to be allowed in, or whether because of the expanse of the conference, the conference needed another school to make the numbers work...

either way, regis has certainly started off well... as well as a new program could... watching them last night, they certainly didn't look stellar and it was obvious that they focused their play to one or two of their better players, but it certainly looked like they at least belonged... offensively, they have a mixed bunch of role players and one or two guys with a decent jumper... again, i'm not going to get carried away labeling them as a contender, but clearly the coach and the team have done well enough to win almost half their games...

on a side note...

New England Col.  72      Wheelock  62
Western New Eng. 50      Westfield St. 55
Mass.-Dartmouth  67      Roger Williams 60
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 11, 2008, 02:29:36 PM
Some great match-ups for tomorrows games.

Nichols at Roger Williams
UNE at NEC
Wentworth at Gordon
Colby-Sawyer at Regis
Endicott at Eastern Naz
Anna Maria at Salve
Curry at WNEC

The Gordon-Wentworth game might be the best game to watch.  It's a re-match of last years semi-final game in Gordon where Wentworth pulled off the upset on route to their championship.  I'm sure Gordon will come out firing and play with intense energy.  Wentworth is finally healthy but haven't had much time to play together this year.  Gordon on the other hand seems to be in mid-season form and looking strong already.

It'll also be interesting how the Curry-WNEC game plays out.  Both teams are strong and we still don't know much about WNEC.  I've only seen them play once and they look formidable and play well as a team.  Curry as we all know is led by Tim Jones who appears to score at will and Bowers who is always a tough match-up.  WNEC has played some good competition this year (Amherst, RIC) so it should be a good game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2008, 06:06:55 PM


Regis has been in the conference for a while in women's sports, so it's not like they're entirely jumping in new.  This is the first year they're fielding a men's team.  From everything I've heard, they would have been allowed in this season with no problem had they made the decision before the conference schedule had been completed.

Initially this was going to be a probationary year for men's basketball, but they managed to schedule a game with every team in the conference, so they decided to make them all official.  It seems to have worked out for everyone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 12, 2008, 06:57:09 PM
gordon down WIT 81-67. after beginning the game with a 10-0 run, WIT went into halftime with a five point lead. aaron trigg and gordon came back in the second half to pull away with the win. trigg had 25 second half points, notching 32 altogether.

prezzie-blue was guarded extremely well by justin kauffman, being held to 3 points on 1-9 shooting. west and doyle were the only two leopard players in double digits.

marstaller and bajema both chipped in 13 points.

gordon's offense was shut down for most of the first half. with a hot hand and better execution, they battled back and pulled away with an impressive win against a talent wentworth team.

p.s. i don't know how long it would take, but i can't remember the last time a gordon player scored 30 points in a game... i'm sure it's been done, but not within the past 5 years... at least, that's my guess...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 12, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
1/8/05: Sir Michael Herr put up 31 vs. ENC.

Truth be told though, this was a big game for someone to score 30. PB did it last year in this late developing rivalry. But for Trigg to miss only a three and a free -- he stepped up in a big way for the Scots today.

Also, WNEC beating Curry by only four. I know a lot was said about them coming into this year, but I guess this shows they're not going to come into the TCCC and blow everyone out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 12, 2008, 08:45:58 PM
I'm rather surprised WNEC hasnt made a bit more noise to this point in the season however they are 7-5 and have won all the games they would be "supposed" to win they just havent been able to steal one that they werent "supposed" to win.  Their 5 loses are against:  Amherst, Rhode Island College, Keene State, MIT, and Westfield State.  I'm expecting WNEC to give everyone in TCCC a game and finish as high as 2nd or 3rd in  TCCC.  I can definitely see them finishing the season 17-8 overall and 11-2 in conference play as they have a very favorable schedule from here on out (Gordon, WIT, and Tufts being their tough games)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 12, 2008, 10:08:30 PM
Different.

First, WNEC's loss to Westfield St. doesn't rub me as a game they were supposed to lose (the other ones, I agree with). But when Westfield St. played Gordon, they were impressive, but not awe inspiring. WNEC should have been able to go on the road and win that game.

But I do agree that they can rattle off a good conference record. WNEC's conference games on the road are Salve, Nichols, ENC, NEC, Anna Maria, and then finally have a challenge up at Colby Sawyer. They definitely have an advantage. We'll know more in the coming week though after they play Roger, WIT and Endicott.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 13, 2008, 11:20:20 AM
The way WNEC plays they're really not going to "blow everyone out" they play a slow tempo grinding kind of game where they will win a lot of games by 7,10, etc.

WIT has to be disapointed with their performance in Gordon, you can't give up an offensive half like that to a team that isn't the Gordon of old.

I'd have to rank the balance of power as 1. WNEC 2. Gordon 3. Wentworth right now probably
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2008, 09:35:15 PM


ENC lost to EC by a bunch, but they have Luc Jasmin back in the starting line up.  He played 28 minutes and they seem to be working him back in.  Depending on how well he's healed, this could have an impact on the bottom of the pile.  All of those teams at the bottom of the pack should be good enough to get the 8 seed, although only one of them can.  Even Regis and AMC can put up good games at times.  Nichols gave RWU a game yesterday.  I think TCCC will be exciting from top to bottom.  I don't see anyone running away with anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 13, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
I can see Gordon finishing conference play with only one loss or maybe even zero going into the postseason with the top seed in rather convincing fashion, It really looks like they have hit their stride and appear to have a very favorable schedule from here on out, the battle i think will be for the 2-5 spots with any number of teams capable of finishing 2nd.  I think that UNE could surprise a lot of people this season as they are 1-0 (be it a victory over NEC but it was by 25) and they played Wentworth earlier in the season and lost by only 3... 
without question TCCC appears to be as competitive as anyone can recall in recent memory there isnt the dominant colby-sawyer or endicott teams like in years past but unfortunately that appears to be due to the drop off of top teams as opposed to the rising of the basement
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 13, 2008, 10:03:39 PM
The only reason UNE lost by only 3 to Wentworth is because Todd Doyle did not play in that game.  He's good for another 15 points at least.  Gordon could possibly be the most overrated team in recent years, constantly making so much noise in the regular season and constantly coming up empty in the playoffs.  I'm more than willing to say that they look better this year than previous, but it's hard to expect anything from them in the playoffs.  Endicott certainly matches up well against them as well as WNEC.  Both games are on the road (although Endicott isn't far).  I agree that the CCC appears to very competitive this year.  Hopefully the conference winner can win one after March 1st.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 13, 2008, 10:18:31 PM
its impossible to say what the final score would have been had Doyle played, but with or without Doyle my point was UNE is improved compared to years past they have two JR. transfers both from texas that are leading the team and with a new coach this isnt the cakewalk game it used to be for CCC opponents.  personally I think Wentworth is the most overrated team in the conference.  Understanding they have dealt with injuries to this point in the season but regardless even at full strength thats probably only another 2 wins or so max.  They went 17-12 last season and got hot at the right time to win the conference championship.  Wentworth I think is no more than a top 25 team in New England at best
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 13, 2008, 11:24:30 PM
Hard to be the most overrated team when they have the best player in the league, Sherrad Prezzie-Blue, to go along with Doyle.  Not to mention Bynes who is the most dynamic center in the league when not in foul trouble.  Sure their bench maybe weak right now, but once they hit their stride, they'll be back to their dominance similar to last year.  They could be 9-2 if they were healthy this season, having only played a few games with their true starters.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 14, 2008, 11:47:28 AM
To echo the point that was made earlier by someone, WIt gave up 50 points to Gordon in the second half, and after the first five minutes of the game, lost by 24, no thanks to Sherrad "three points in 38 minutes" Prezzie-Blue.

Not to say that that's how Le Bleu plays every time, but if you do believe he is one of the best (if not, the best) players in the league, then you have to give a ton of credit to Justin Kaufman for keeping him from being a factor (also a point that I think was brought up earlier). No matter how you look at it, Gordon beat Wentworth.

That being said, I'm not going to go as far and say they will walk through TCCC play. They do have tough games left, not just WNEC and Endicott, but even Roger (on the road, where they had a tough go at it last year) and CSC on the road, where they also had a hard time, but won last year. But to this point, they have impressive wins and are playing very well. We'll see if they can keep that up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 14, 2008, 12:21:46 PM
Getting a little aggro in here. As someone who has profoundly no stance on this I say the Fighting Scotts have all the right in the world to talk to about this last win as they did lay something of a beating.....However the Leopard faithful...which I think is just backboard and maybe CCC Talk can come in and say "scoreboard" and ask how many league titles Schauer and co. have won, because it's 0.

They both end up 11-2 in the league by the way.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 15, 2008, 02:23:29 PM
Tonights matchups:

Roger Williams at WNEC
Colby-Sawyer at NEC
ENC at Wentworth
Endicott at Nichols
Anna Maria at Gordon
Curry at UNE
Salve at Regis
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 15, 2008, 10:48:17 PM
gordon tops anna maria 95-66. gordon was in control for about the entire contest, setting the tempo and imposing their style upon their opponent. it was interesting to see a little more of a fast paced game from the scots, who normally play a slower, more methodical tempo. tonight, however, they played more of a quick transition game, turning the turnovers and rebounds from their ninth ranked defense (ppg national) into points of their own.

this style had a positive impact on the upper classmen who understand things a little better. mike schnackenberg had 17 points and 5 boards to lead the scots. trigg and marstaller each had 14. kaufman posted 12. trigg had 5 turnovers, most of them being rushed passes/bad decisions more than the defense forcing them. if coach schauer sticks to this tempo he will certainly get used to it pretty quickly as he is a knowledgeable student both on and off the court.

the scots will travel to ENC on saturday, their first away game since their championship wins up in new york.

other scores so far...

Eastern Nazarene      50      Wentworth Inst.      72
Colby-Sawyer      104      New England Col.      67
Roger Williams      65      Western New Eng.      52
Endicott      72      Nichols      90
Curry      85      U. of New England      74

The Salve - Regis game hasn't been posted yet. Otherwise, it was blowout night in the CCC...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: zcat68 on January 15, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
Salve 74 Regis 65
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 17, 2008, 06:55:44 AM
tonight's games:

Endicott - Emerson   7:00 p.m.
Salve Regina - Mitchell   7:30 p.m.

Emerson's only loss is to Norwich up in Vermont. Let's hope the Gulls can knock off a solid team and win one for TCCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: goldenpipes on January 17, 2008, 09:13:46 PM
Emerson 85 Endicott 53

Ben Chase continued his hot shooting (11-17 from the field) leading the Lions with 27 points. Will Dawkins scored 26 and Jeremy Shannon added 15 and 6 assists as the Lions led by 20 at the break and cruised tonight in Beverly.

Box Score - http://ecgulls.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2007-2008/ec13.html
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 17, 2008, 10:23:43 PM
 Mitchell      67      Salve Regina      89

Senior Justin Woodworth tagged 18 points to lead his team in scoring. (All those points came in the first half)
Otherwise, Salve had 6 players reach double-figures in scoring.

Albeit, this was against a winless Mitchell team.

Salve gets back to league play on Saturday against UNE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2008, 05:33:50 PM

ENC over Gordon 82-69.  ENC led the whole second half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 19, 2008, 05:34:58 PM
wow im shocked, i dont think anyone saw that coming
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2008, 05:49:10 PM

Gordon is not nearly as good as they've been the last few seasons.  They have a good core, but I never thought they'd be competing for the conference championship.  That being said, it's still a big win for ENC.  They are much better with Jasmin back playing, but with both teams competitive, this goes back to being a real rivalry, which means anyone can win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 19, 2008, 06:03:27 PM
it seems as though the whole CCC isnt nearly as good as it was 3 or 4 years ago.  I guess I'm not as surprised as a few that Gordon is off to such a strong start they have a very talented sr class with Marstaller, Kaufman, etc.  and with colby-sawyer not being who they used to be, endicott the same, It looks as though Gordon should have a real good shot at capturing a conference title. 

on a side not I'm baffled to see Endicott 4-10 after so much success over the past 5 years.  Its not too late for them to salvage the season and put up a respectable conference record but considering this is a program that has won 85% of their conference games over the past 5 seasons (68-12)    Im really surprised to see them struggling the way they are
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 19, 2008, 06:52:34 PM
Roger Williams 85, Wentworth 84.  GREAT game by both teams--fifth straight in the series decided by 10 or fewer points.  Tied at the half at 28 and no team led by more than six.  Tied at 83 with 40 seconds left (14th ties of the game), Wentworth has two FT's with 16 left and hits one of two.  Fava hits jumper in the paint with 2.2 left.  Wentworth had a chance on a well drawn up play, but Prezzie-Blue's shot missed.  Prezzie-Blue had 19 for Wentworth with having 18 & 8, Doyle 17, 5 & 5, Abbott 13, and West 11.

Gumb had 20 and 6 for RWU with Bashaw adding 19.  Wentworth shot 66.7% from the floor, RWU shot 57.4.  Neither team turned the ball over often (Wentworth 12, RW 8)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: atn alum on January 19, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
WOW

66.7 percent in a loss. That might be the highest ive ever seen by a losing basketball team in a non-grinnell style game at any level.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 19, 2008, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: atnwriter on January 19, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
WOW

66.7 percent in a loss. That might be the highest ive ever seen by a losing basketball team in a non-grinnell style game at any level.


*cough* feel free to use it in your next column *cough*  ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 23, 2008, 03:14:45 PM
Some pretty good match-ups tonight:

Salve at Nichols
Anna Maria at Endicott
Regis at NEC
Wentworth at WNEC
Gordon at RWU
CSC at Curry
UNE at ENC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on January 24, 2008, 02:45:48 PM
Any ideas about what has happened to my Gulls????? As soon as I leave campus, it appears things have gone south. I've seen 2 games and the fire doesn't seem to be there - basing a lot of this on box scores.  A whole bunch of new faces - Corbett is hardly ever in, Bobby Montrond hasn't played in awhile, Sam Evans has been invisible, no consistency. Is it the players, the coach or what?

Somebody help me! Can't wait to be back for the Gordon game. Will they still be in it by the? Tyhe whole CCC seems to mixed up. RWU seems to be the team to beat (I picked them 2 years too late!).

GO PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 24, 2008, 05:44:39 PM
No Marinkovic and Sullivan, which means no real inside presence or a go to guy.  Just my guess
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2008, 09:58:03 PM


The current Massey ratings have RWU on top with WNEC and WIT behind.  It doesn't mean too much early, but at this point it shows which teams have played well against their schedules.

Interestingly, Massey says Gordon has the best home court advantage in DIII (although that might have something to do with a few really weak home opponents).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 25, 2008, 12:17:46 PM
*lust for life plays*

Clones....what is up...back in the CCC for the open. This board is quieter than Bill Belicheck in a room full of people with personalities....ha ha....funny how Scot Fan disapeers when they drop 2 straight and we don't have to hear play by play break downs of the goings on in the Bennet Center....do we even have a WNEC poster? J-Stew...lets find a WNEC poster, they're in the league now. A Regis poster would be nice too...they beat the Pilgrims the other night despite Jaziri yelling"hibachi!"...RWU....let me here from you Bristol the Hawks are doing it to the league right now. Pounding the ball into your 7 footer in a D3 conference is never a bad idea! Rack em.

I'm about 4 minutes over so I need to get out to break...but first lets read a couple emails.

Dear Jim,

I knew WNEC was joining the league...I didn't know Endicott was leaving....

signed, Endicott Basketball 2002-2007

yikes...that is strong.

One more email here.

Dear Jim,

I feel that such as US American CCC fans don't have maps and that make's its difficult for them to get to Colby Sawyer and or the Iraq and difficult or them to such as watch games therefore they post lot about such games without really seeing them.

-Miss Teen South Carolina

Sounds about right....you clones are ridiculoussssss...we'll be back with an interview with Jamie Cosgrove.

out
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 26, 2008, 06:47:44 PM
Pretty good game in Beverly as Endicott beats Wentworth in OT.  Doyle tried to win it but his three ball wouldn't go.  Joey Burgos misses his shot but follows it and puts it back in for the W.  Wentworth actually blew a 12 point halftime lead when it seemed like this one was going to be a blowout.  Prezzie-Blue had another horrible shooting night (3-13) as he continues to choke in important conference games.  Dolye led the way with 17 and Bynes had 14.  For the Gulls, Whitelaw led with 14, Burton with 13, and Burgos with 12.

Colby-Sawyer defeats Nichols 80-53.  Dave Russo led the way for CSC with 22 points while Nichols was held to 23.8% shooting.

Roger Williams wins big over NEC 91-62.  Barrett recorded 16, Gumb with 15, and Barranger with 14.  Onyechi had 16 and Jaziri was held in check with 15.

Gordon wins 93-63 over Curry.  Tim Jones dropped 21, Marstrullo with 17.  Bowers only played 15 minutes and had 4 points.  For Gordon, Trigg has really come into his own and had 25 and Bajema recorded 17.

UNE over Anna Maria 82-73.  Tyler Washington had 21 points for Anna Maria.  Jefferson and Stickney had 22 and 21 points respectively for UNE.

WNEC wins at Salve 71-58.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on January 29, 2008, 08:50:46 AM
"Prezzie-Blue had another horrible shooting night (3-13) as he continues to choke in important conference games." 

I'm wondering what game besides Gordon Prezzie-Blue has choked in. Sure his past effort against Endicott wasn't spectacular but it was very solid. Most guys would be pretty happy with 11 points, 6 assists, 4 steals, 2 rebounds and ZERO turnovers. Not a bad stat line for a point guard.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 29, 2008, 09:49:55 PM
wow Endicott pulls off an impressive win against one of the top teams in the region in Emmanuel tonite 64-62 in beverly.  Burgos led 4 endicott players in double figures with 14 pts and 9 rebounds.  Spellman had a game high 22 for Emmanuel.    thats 3 in a row for endicott, looks like they might be able to salvage the season after all, but roger williams and gordon both at home next week will certainly be a large factor in determining what kind of character this team has
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on January 31, 2008, 09:58:39 AM
new poster  (poser?, we'll see)

wanted to thank you all for keeping fans of TCCC entertained and up to date with insights.  Been following TCCC (or CCC) for several years and regularly reading this site.   Hope to make a couple WIT games during conference play.

Noted a lack of posting even with some big early upsets and new arrivals so decided it was time to add to the confusion.

WIT's struggling, but with close games.  PB has everybody exactly where he wants them!  Plenty of time to recover, but they better start soon!

Thanks again.  Fans are reading!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 10:16:45 AM
Hey, welcome -- always love to have a lurker join the posting fun. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on January 31, 2008, 01:41:00 PM
WIT is not struggling. If I've learned anything about them the past two years, they're tanking the regular season to get the 8th seed so they can knock out Roger Williams on the road in the first round of the playoffs. Again.

On another note, Endicott has come back to life, and it's going to make Saturday's game a real showdown. Gordon's going to have a tough time winning.

Hopefully with a new poster, we'll start getting some momentum back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2008, 04:19:32 PM

Just looking at the conference stats to see who to watch for in terms of first-team players.

There's some favorites, but there are a few spots on that first team totally up for grabs.

Tim Jones is clearly the best player in TCCC.  You just have to see him.  He seems to be healthy for once, so I think POY is his already.

Jaziri is hard to call.  We know he can play, but with the crazy numbers NEC is putting up with no results whatsoever, will scoring alone get him on the first team?  The same goes for Prezzie-Blue's lackluster season thus far.  Both guys have a lot of time to get back into the swing of things.

Szeliga should be a big contender in terms of big men, plus you have Bowers and even Marcellus from ENC (the rebounding leader).

Trigg from Gordon will have to be up there as well as a bunch of others I didn't mention here.

At this point, Jones is the only lock and Szeliga is close, after that there's about 10-15 guys fighting for 3 spots.  Conference play will be huge.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on January 31, 2008, 08:00:02 PM
Endicott College picked up yet another impressive win to stretch their win streak to 4 games tonite defeating TCCC conference leader Roger Williams 67-64.   Endicott looked to have played extremely efficiently tonite shooting 57% from the floor for the entire game.  Tom Connor and Todd Burton shared the game high with 18 points apiece on a combined 15-20 from the floor.    I wouldnt look now but depending on what happens saturday in Beverly between Endicott and Gordon, Endicott could not only salvage the season but enter the TCCC tournament with the #1 seed....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 31, 2008, 11:11:13 PM
TCCC Scores (1/31/08)

Endicott 67, Roger Williams 64
University of New England 77, Regis 69
Gordon 87, New England College 78
Wentworth 66, Salve Regina 55
Western New England 77, Nichols 61
Colby-Sawyer 73, Eastern Nazarene 65
Curry 100, Anna Maria 65
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 01, 2008, 09:44:21 AM
No way Tim Jones deserves POY,

Very good player offensively but his defense and his attitude about the game would make it a shame if he actually won the award.

Watching last Saturday's game at Gordon (yes I'm a Gordon poster or "homer" as were more commonly referred to on this board) Tim was having a solid game and was covering Brady Bajema on Gordon when he got screened and Brady his a three.  Thinking the screen was illegal he complained and then walked up the floor.  A Gordon bball alum I'm sitting with tells me that Tim is done for the game, he'll just shoot everytime and not play D anymore.   He couldn't have made a more accurate statement, not only did he jack the next couple shots up but he refused to run up and down the court.  He was literally walking as both teams ran past him for 3 or 4 possesions.  The man he was covering Brady hit 4 straight 3's on those possessions....because Tim was at half court for all of them.  He just gave up, it was sad to watch. 

So yes I do believe he is a good bball player but they're a lot of better players in the TCCC who play good offense and defense and play with a little heart.  I would be disappointed if Tim would win POY over one of those types of players

(Side note my opinion is from only watching one game, but the Gordon alum who I was sitting with, who played with Tim over the years, said that this was typical of him, so I don't feel like it was just a one game only situation)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 01, 2008, 10:35:08 AM
i think it's time that everyone starts to recognize that endicott is back in the mix in TCCC... nearly everyone outside of beverly, ma counted endicott out after the first 10 games or so... but after knocking off emerson and rwu in the past week, i think they deserve some respect now...

i completely give credit to dwebbs for initiating this idea... i'm just trying to propagate it a little more... the gordon-endicott game this weekend will very much be a contest rather than the blowout a lot of us considered it to be two weeks ago...

in addition, i don't think RWU's loss discredits them at all... they are a very solid team with barringer et al playing tight defense through most of their games...

one last comment... POTY 'should' be given to a player who overall benefits their team the most in every aspect of the game... with that being said, i would agree that Tim Jones should not be given the title at this point... he is an incredibly quick offensive weapon... he spins and creates shots where it appears impossible... however, he does seem to sit back on his heels defensively, especially with big deficits for Curry... in that same vein, jaziri appears to have the same conundrum... he puts up 22-24 pts a game, but is very inconsistent defensively... prezzie-blue is out of sorts this year compared to his consistent dominance last year...

to be honest, i don't know who should get POTY this year... but if people are suggesting tim jones, ryan jaziri and sherrad prezzie-blue, then geoff barringer, aaron trigg, justin kaufman, jean-paul marcellus, and a few others certainly deserve consideration as well...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2008, 11:08:00 AM

I hadn't heard that about Jones.  I've seen him 4 or 5 times, albeit a few years ago and never got that impression.

I have heard that he's a football player first and basketball player for fun, so I wonder if the years of injuries have somewhat eroded his desire to go all out for the "second" sport.

A lot of my more recent conclusions come from my brother, who is a basketball nut (and life-long player) who takes every opportunity to shoot over to Curry to see him play.

I'll have to take it into consideration, but the CCC award is a POY rather than an MVP, so the whole "attitude" thing plays less into my decision-making.  The thing I can't get away from is that his team has been, over the course of his career, far better and more solid when he's playing than when he's not.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 02, 2008, 03:49:33 PM
half time score from Beverly
Endicott 30  Gordon 28
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 02, 2008, 04:07:51 PM
just a couple thoughts on the individual awards as well as TCCC in general...

individually POY has got to be completely up for grabs, I think Jones and Prezzie-Blue are the front runners, although should someone come on very strong in the final 5-6 games anythings possible.  Bowers of Curry isnt so much a candidate for POY although 1st team is very much within reason, being top 5 in the league in points and rebounds has got to get you some consideration, as well as Johnnie Jefferson from UNE, he has very quietly led UNE to a 5-1 conference record and individually should finish in the top 5 in scoring and possibly crack the top 10 in rebounds (hes 12th in the latest stats)  Im very surprised Jon Marstaller of Gordon hasnt had a big senior year considering the past 2 years hes been 1st team all conference and was in contention for POY in at least 1 of those years if i recall correctly.  watching the gordon/ec game right now hes a matchup nightmare and should be dominating, and on the other side, this burgos kid is legit, too bad he wasnt around the first half of the year to make more of a name for himself
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 02, 2008, 04:45:52 PM
final score from beverly
Gordon 56  Endicott 55

2 point EC lead with 1:01 remaining, endicott basketball, its taken into the lane only to be denied by gordons jon marstaller, gordon basketball, no timeout they just play, justin kaufman takes it to the lane off a high screen as he had done all day long, blocked by burgos! 6 seconds left gordon ball, time out gordon....

inbounds play finds marstaller in the corner for 3 its good!!! gordon up by 1 with 3.7 seconds to go

endicotts todd burton (last year game winning 4 pt play in similar game) takes it up court gets fouled with .5 seconds left, but EC is NOT in the bonus!  endicott throws it up towards the rim hoping for a tip in....nadda game over 1 point win for gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 03, 2008, 12:02:40 AM
A few more points about the Gordon first ever win at the Post Center:

-Say what you want about Marstaller's lower numbers this year, but today, he was the difference in the final two minutes. Before the the final minute, Gordon was down by 4, with Marstaller on the block with his back to the basket. Burgos came over to double team, and this time, Jon read it and fired a no look over the shoulder pass to Derr open underneath the basket. He would later ad a steal and a three as described by BYA.
-Endicott lost by 1 point. Rewind to earlier in the second half when the freshman, Ben Ford picks Aaron Trigg at center court, and then blows and uncontested layup at the other end. It seemed like just a knee slapper at the time, but the Gulls could have really used those 2 points down the stretch.
-Watching Endicott play defense, it makes sense that they could handle teams like RWU and WIT at home. They play very, very physical, with quite a bit of slapping.  If they end up in a big game with refs who are whistle happy, they'll have no chance.

Other than that, this was a good road win for the Scots, who lost their first two road conference games. They fell behind 16-2 eight minutes into the game, but battled back. And really, that's what the conference has been and will be this year -- who can go on the road and win the big games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 03, 2008, 12:14:13 AM
Just for the record.  This is not Gordon's first win in the Post Center EVER.  It is just the first in a few years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 03, 2008, 12:53:43 AM
Whoops. I heard wrong then, my mistake.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: j.CCC on February 03, 2008, 01:52:18 AM
i think this could be a very big win for gordon, that maybe gives the momentum they need to get through the rest of the conference schedule un blemished.  schauer said it earlier this season; that Gordon has been losing by 10+ or winning by 10+.  Also we've seen that up until this point, Gordon has had huge issues on the road.  this is a close game, for the win, and it looked like this could be the game that gives gordon the experience it needs to go out and put it all together.  i think this team has as high of a ceiling as past gordon teams, but the basement is lower.  gordon beat a plattsburg st team that went on to beat the number 1 team in the country, so Gordon has it.  maybe this win is the catalyst to a successful stretch run.   or maybe the bottom drops out.  we'll have to see.

for poy, my vote is kaufman.  i see gordon taking the conference (opinion obviously), and kaufman is clearly the guy that makes this team click.  hes the best on ball defender ive seen thus far, and is the key cog to gc's offense.  i think that being the most important player on the conferences best team should be enough to win the award.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 03, 2008, 11:22:01 AM
good to hear a classic TCCC rivalry didn't disappoint (EC-G)

Regis-WIT was a good alumni day game.  Probably more entertaining than WIT hoped for.  When all was said and done the lack of any Regis bigs was a key (West pulled down 21 boards!, close to a school record?).  Alibrandi played a good inside & outside game,  PB and Doyle were solid.

Both teams had 5 different players score from behind the arc.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 03, 2008, 03:29:44 PM
  WOW!!!!!! What a great game! Knew the big lead in the first half wasn't going to stay. Had to hold my breath through the whole second half. Now that my Gulls are playing as they are - EC/GC is pretty evenly matched!
  The Gulls played tough defense and the Gordon players and coaches whined the whole first half. Then, when the refs turned the screws the other way - not a peep. Too bad that another great game "A classic D3 game" as one guy near me said, had to have the refs intrude on the game. You'd think that with this rivalry and the history, the powers that be would make sure that better teams of refs would work the game.
  But enough of that. Gordon is a very good team. I even give props to "the Pit", although there was a lot of booing and derisive talk. Here's hoping that they can meet again in the finals of the TCCC!!!!!
  Kaufman, Trigg and Marstellar are good players, but they were shut down pretty effectively by the Gulls "D". j.CCC says that Kaufman is the best on ball defender he's seen. I'm not looking to start anything- cause I know for whatever reason he doesn't get respect- but Corbett's on ball defense is pretty tough to beat, when you see a 6'5/215 guy guarding and denying the 2 or three GUARDS in the conference. I've never understood their use of him. Once Plansky left, his role got totally screwed.
   Hope to be back for the next Gordon game. A good season finish and the proper seeding might just give the "TCCC" another classic ( a third "the shot"opportunity!) And can we get rid of the "T" in TCCC - it screws up the syntax.


GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        37-17
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 03, 2008, 03:41:49 PM
Neither of these teams will in be the finals
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 03, 2008, 04:43:33 PM
Maybe not - but I can hope can't I???????????
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 03, 2008, 07:12:44 PM
How many people thought Wentworth and Curry would be in the finals last year.?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 03, 2008, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: witfan on February 03, 2008, 11:22:01 AM(West pulled down 21 boards!, close to a school record?)
Yes.  The record is 22.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 04, 2008, 08:24:47 AM
Quote from: dwebbs on February 03, 2008, 07:12:44 PM
How many people thought Wentworth and Curry would be in the finals last year.?

That's a good point.  Although it wasn't as ridiculous as we all thought at the time.  Wentworth has the best backcourt and Curry decided to play defense and rebound towards the end of the year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 04, 2008, 02:06:43 PM
I think it is about time that this board started to recognize that UNE is playing some great basketball and are not being given the deserved credit.  All of this talk about player of the year and first team all-conference and not talk about Jakyri Simpson, who is one of the most explosive players that the CCC has ever seen, or Johnnie Jefferson who is at the top of the league in scoring and at the top of the pack in defensive rebounds as well.  They are at the top of the conference at 5-2 and very easily could be 6-1 as they lost to WNEC on the road by 2 in overtime.   

That can be taken and put on my tab.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 04, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
check the page before this, I had just pointed out UNE's quiet success (they were 5-1 at the time) and I made the pitch for jefferson to get some love as far as individual awards mentioning where he stands amongst the individual leaders in pts and rebounding....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 04, 2008, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: broke_ya_ankles on February 04, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
check the page before this, I had just pointed out UNE's quiet success (they were 5-1 at the time) and I made the pitch for jefferson to get some love as far as individual awards mentioning where he stands amongst the individual leaders in pts and rebounding....

Ankles...I had read your post and appreciate the mention of Johnnie and UNE, however, I believe you are the sole poster on this board that has acknowledged the success that UNE has had thus far this season.  Hopefully others will get to see them play over the next couple of weeks and realize that they are a true contender this year, especially when the other pieces outside of Jefferson and Simpson are shooting the ball well.  Thanks for the plug for the Mainers. 

Tab out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 04, 2008, 03:01:32 PM
So far UNE has played NEC, Curry, Eastern Naz, Anna Maria, Regis, and WNEC.  They lost to Curry and WNEC and beat the weaker teams.  Good for them, but now it gets tough with Wentworth, RWU, Endicott, CSC, and Gordon still remaining on their schedule.  I'd be surprised if they finish with more than 6 conference wins.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 04, 2008, 03:28:26 PM
I'll take UNE over wentworth.  I think roger williams will beat them thanks in large part to the 6'10 kid, I think theyll take one from either endicott or csc and lose the other, gordon i think is a sure fire loss, and nichols should be a rather easy win for them.  8-5 i think would be the absolute most success, but ill go out on a limb and say they do it, they really are much better than people give them credit for.

sure the conference wins they have to this point are versus the weaker half of the CCC (I am now boycotting calling it TCCC, the "The" i think is implied) but its not like they are squeezing out wins, they are winning in very convincing fashion, more than we can say for some of the other "top" teams in the CCC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 04, 2008, 03:33:40 PM
They have played Salve Regina as well and won that game.  I realize that they have a good dose of tough opponents left....I just find it amusing that nobody will give them credit for conference wins in a year where there have been a lot of so called upsets and teams have beaten up on each other.  This team is very well coached and they have an edge to them that keeps them in every game that they play.  A bounce here and whistle there and this team could be 7-0 in the conference.  The Curry game was much closer than the score showed. It was a two possession game the entire game and Curry was only able to stretch the score out in the final 3 minutes.  Teams that sleep on them will get the rude awakening. 

Putskies on tabble
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 04, 2008, 04:02:21 PM
just for the fun of it (since this board is rather dead for the most part) I'll throw out some "Power Rankings" and I fully expected some disagreements:

1.  Gordon-  Most talented team plain and simple
2.  Roger Williams-  The CCC is theirs to win at this point
3.  Curry-  Won 5 of 6 with big loss @ gordon (30 pts), Bowers is a beast, and we all know about Jones...
4.  Endicott- Arguably the hottest team in the CCC right now, could/should win out
5.  Wentworth- Been playing very well as of late, its on Prezzie's shoulder to get it done from here on out
6.  UNE-  Hands down the surprise team, won 4 of 5 incl. OT loss @ WNEC
7.  WNEC- Came in w/a lot of hype, seems like an average team who can win a big game here and there
8.  Colby-Sawyer- Capable of pulling an upset, but look as though they rely on Szeliga too much
9.  Salve Regina- It was a toss up between them and Anna Maria, Salve is playing better as of now
10. Anna Maria-  Looked ok early, has played pretty bad as of late as expected
11. Regis- Talk about a surprise team!! I'm shocked but they are still a ways from being a contender
12. NEC- I know winless, but eventually they will succeed in "outscoring" someone
13. Nichols- Bad team
14. Eastern Nazerene- Worse team
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 04, 2008, 04:07:26 PM
Wentworth will not lose at home to UNE, it's a joke to think otherwise.  The two teams already played once up at UNE and Wentworth won that game.  They have 5 conference wins this year, 5 last year, and 5 the year before that.  It would be nice to see another contender in the league, but they're still far from that.

I generally agree with your power rankings, although I'm not sure if the CCC is Roger Williams' to win.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch of last years finals again.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 04, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
There is a good chance that UNE will beat Wentworth on the road.  In the first game they played (54-51) UNE played the final 11 minutes without Jakyri Simpson, there playmaker and best defender....he got hit in the head and suffered a minor concussion.  I realize that Doyle did not play in the game either, however, Simpson is the most valuable on the team especially late in the game and UNE showed that these two teams are on the same level this year.  The past is just that...the past...it doesn't matter. You can throw out the last few years conference records all you want, but my point is that this team is talented and able to match up with the so called top teams. 

Check mark
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 04, 2008, 04:15:28 PM
why do people think wentworth is so good, sure they had a nice run last year to win the conference but they were still only went 17-12, 9-7 in the conference, and this year they are only 10-7, and barely over .500 at 4-3 in the conference.  If you havent seen UNE play this year u are likely figuring them on being similar to years past, not the case, they are 100x more athletic this year, new coach, new system, new players.  The two texas kids are legit, very good athletes that can score. 

and the Wentworth/UNE game earlier this year was decided by 3 points...so I think its fair to say an upset is certainly possible, perhaps unlikely, but possible
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 04, 2008, 04:37:01 PM
Wentworth is 'so good' because they have a Player of the Year and a Second Teamer.  Not to mention a very good defensive center and a good supporting cast.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 04, 2008, 05:04:50 PM
sure prezzie and doyle are a great combo to lead a team but  how come theyve only led their team to a 10-7 record?? great combos arent that hard to find even in the CCC:
gordon- take ur pick, Marstaller, Trigg, Kaufman
Curry- Bowers and Jones
UNE- Simspon and Jefferson
NEC- Jaziri and Onyechi

If wentworth even makes the conference final I'll be quite surprised but I think last year was a good old fashioned fluke and they are really an average team, even a little above average for the conference, they have TWO wins this season against teams above .500 thats against UNE, and WNEC they havent beat anyone at all and with a schedule as weak as theirs they should be at least 12-5 if not 13-4.   theyve got to be one of the most overrated teams out there right now
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 04, 2008, 05:23:47 PM
Ok let me enlighten you. 

Prezzie-Blue: One of the top two scores in the league
Todd Doyle: One of the best shooters in the league
Bynes: Probably the best defensive center, oh and by the way, he can throw it down too

Those three right there are better than any trio in the league when they play to their ability.  That being said, they don't always do that.  Sometimes their defense isn't top notch, but they are a team that just needs time to get it right.  Exactly why they won it last year, and probably why they'll win it again.  I'm not even going to get into the rest of the roster, I'll just let you find out the hard way.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 04, 2008, 07:14:48 PM
I feel like WIT goes as SP Blue goes. If he is having an off night, it'd be unlikely that Doyle or Bynes could will the team to victory. They're great role players, and can elevate their play if the defense focuses too much on Blue, but that seems to be it.

As where Gordon for example, has Marstaller, Kaufman and Trigg. Either one of those players can carry the team when needed, and if one is having an off night, another picks up the slack. And even Gordon's role players -- Doyle has been the leading scorer in a game for WIT just one more time than Bajema.

RWU has a pretty solid three as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 04, 2008, 11:16:09 PM
To even compare Doyle to Bajema or even Kaufman is ridiculous, If you've watched more than 2 or 3 wentworth games which very few people here probably have he might be the best player on that team. He can create his own shot, find the open man, and knock down open looks better than just about any guard can do all 3 in the league. There are better shooters there are better penetraters and better distributos but if you watch him play he's the best of the bunch.

Also if you look at WIT's schedule they have played 4 out of 6 league games on the road, against playoff teams. Let's wait a few weeks before shoveling the dirt on them after they've played the rest of the league at home.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 04, 2008, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 04, 2008, 11:16:09 PM
Also if you look at WIT's schedule they have played 4 out of 6 league games on the road, against playoff teams. Let's wait a few weeks before shoveling the dirt on them after they've played the rest of the league at home.

and they went 1-3....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 05, 2008, 08:46:03 AM

Doyle is second on WIT in scoring (182). Trigg and Marstaller lead the Scots, but their other three starters - Bajema, Schnackenberg and Kaufman -- are all within ten point of Doyle for the season.

Maybe Doyle doesn't compare to the other guys, but the point I am trying to make is that WIT just doesn't have the depth as some other teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 05, 2008, 10:34:48 AM
I disagree with that, they can go as many as 10 deep if they need to
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 05, 2008, 11:53:02 AM
Arguing one way or the other between WIT players and Gordon players just doesn't make any sense.  They are both solid teams with good players.   That's about all one can say while sitting in front of a computer screen....the useless argument could go on for days.  Player's names and numbers mean nothing when the ball goes up...ask George Mason about that one.

Tab Tab Buffet
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 05, 2008, 04:45:38 PM
"....I think last year was a good old fashioned fluke...."

Winning 3 consecutive hard fought playoff road games a fluke?  Not likely.  Only one player missing from last years squad with some additions.  WIT has depth and experience.  Wednesday night will be a battle, no doubt, but UNE will face a solid D.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: j.CCC on February 06, 2008, 12:27:04 AM
gordon falls to bates 66-61, as kauffman records his 400th carear assist and 999th point.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 06, 2008, 01:26:25 PM
oh no... not a tarheel fan...
duke will most certainly win this one...

anyway, gordon lost last night in bates' 100 degree gymnasium that even the webcasters admitted is done for a homecourt advantage...
hey, it's totally allowed, but i can't imagine any CCC team traveling up to maine, playing a nescac team in that kind of environment...

gordon turns it around and hosts another maine team in husson tonight...
this is a game that was rescheduled from earlier in the season due to snow...
these two games give gordon a break from CCC play before they host nichols on saturday...

as a side note, justin kaufman notched his 400th career assist last night and sits at 999 career points...
tonight, he will become gordon's first 1000/400 player...
congrats...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 06, 2008, 08:18:44 PM
update from the Wentworth/UNE game...

wentworth came out hot scoring the opening 7 points, and building the lead to 15-2 just 5 minutes into the half.   UNE answered with a 12-0 run of their own to cut the lead down to 1 with 11:22 to play in the half.  The teams played even until 6:28 to go when UNE took their first lead of the game 21-19.   UNE would go on to outscore Wentworth 17-10 over the remainder of the first half taking a 38-29 lead into the break.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 06, 2008, 09:35:31 PM
more from Wentworth/UNE:

UNE picked up right where they left off scoring the first 9 points of the 2nd half extending their lead to 18 (47-29).   the teams play dead even over the next 10 minutes with UNE keeping their 18 pt lead 59-41 with 7:49 to play.   Wentworth was able to cut it down to 10 with 2:11 to play, but UNE was able to hang on from there and secure an impressive 72-62 road win tonite.

Jaykyri Simpson proved he is amongst the elite in the league playing reigning league MVP Sherrad Prezzie-Blue point for point throughout 39:20 of the game until the final 40 seconds where SPB scored 5 "garbage time" points.  Prezzie-Blue finished with 29, Simpson with 24

I think this proves UNE isnt as much of a "pretender" as everyone has thought....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 06, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
A lot of close games tonight, but just the one upset.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 07, 2008, 12:30:26 AM
Quote from: backboard on February 04, 2008, 04:07:26 PM
Wentworth will not lose at home to UNE, it's a joke to think otherwise.  The two teams already played once up at UNE and Wentworth won that game.  They have 5 conference wins this year, 5 last year, and 5 the year before that.  It would be nice to see another contender in the league, but they're still far from that.

I generally agree with your power rankings, although I'm not sure if the CCC is Roger Williams' to win.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch of last years finals again.

Joke?  The only joke here is that nobody wants to realize that UNE can beat anyone in this league. Just dominated WIT on the road, and if you want to talk about a big three...how about Simpson, Jefferson, and Stickney.  I guess you have found the "contender" that you were hoping for.  According to your concensus UNE will lose the rest of there games since they have their 6 wins.

Take a sip of my tab.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 07, 2008, 11:21:41 AM
You have to give respect to UNE for winning on the road. I know there has been a lot of debate about how good WIT actually is this year, and so far, they haven't given their supporters on this board much to get behind. That being said, WIT is still capable of hitting their stride in two weeks and knocking off UNE in the playoffs in Maine. You have to remember, going into the playoffs last year, WIT had only a small handful of regular season victories to be proud about.

On the other hand, this victory doesn't prove that UNE can "beat anybody in this league" because they can't say that about Curry and WNEC. So while they can enjoy the victory over a 4-4 team now, they aren't out of the gauntlet yet. I haven't seen them in person yet, so it's hard to say how they'll do, but if they come out of their next four games with a wining record, then I think you can say UNE has arrived (in the regular season anyway).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 07, 2008, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: dr_j on February 07, 2008, 02:08:50 AM
Tab,

It sounds like a good win against a banged up team.

I don't know about banged up, but WIT needs to show-up!  They did play an impressive 10 minutes (1st 5 & last 5).  The WIT bigs had more turnovers than defensive rebounds!  Even a POY with a 29pt night needs some support.  After last year's NCAA visit everybody is coming to the City ready to play.  The City needs to be ready...a rowdy crowd wouldn't hurt.

Too early to panic, but WIT has to be thinking about that playoff spot.  UNE is a contender but so are plenty of other TCCC's,  parity is blurring the early playoff predictions.  I need a map from Miss South Carolina...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 07, 2008, 11:32:00 AM
Let's BREAK IT DOWN. Top to bottom: Just one man's opinion.



1. Roger Williams Currently: 7-1 (1st place). Still playing well winning the battle for Rhode Island on the road. They have size and depth and have been making shots.

Games Remaining: UNE at home, AMC at home, at Regis, at Curry, at ENC.

Projected Final Record: 11-2 (W, W, W, L, W over last five)

2. Gordon  Currently: 6-2 (tied for 2nd). I may be the only one not sold on this team. Trigg is making shots and Marstaller is an inside force in this league but I think they rely on too many marginal guys. Also thier love of stats is interesting. I can't wait til bajema joins the 150 steals club or whatever they want to make a big deal of next.

Games Remaining: NC at home, at CSC, at WNEC, at UNE, SRU at home,

Projected Final Record: (9-4) (W, L, L, W, W over last five)

UNE   Currently: 6-2 (tied for 2nd). It's a tradition when you start getting good in this league that one of your players starts posting as a non player, good to see UNE following suit, we've seen it in the past with EC, Curry and WIT. Glad UNE is on board. They're playing with confidence and winning at WIT was big for them.

Games Remaining: at RWU, EC at home, CSC at home, GC at home, at Nichols

Projected Final Record: 7-6 (L, L, L, L, W over last 5)

WNEC  Currently: 6-2 and starting to hit their stride in the league. I think this team is very dangerous and they match up very well with the league's elite.

Games Remaning: at NEC, RC at home, GC at home, at AMC, at CSC

Projected Final Record: 10-3 (W, W, W, W, L) over last 5.

Curry  Currently: 6-2 and very quietly among the top of the league again. They are a tough matchup for just about anyone and very dangerous at home.

Games Remaining: at ENC, SRU at home, at WIT, RWU at home, EC at home,

Projected Final Record: 11-2 (W, W, W, W, W) maybe a little lofty but I don't see them losing at home and WIT could have trouble with them in their own building.

6. Colby-Sawyer Currently: 5-3 and playing well well.  They do not make a habit of losing league games at home.

Games Remaining: SRU at home, Gordon at home, at UNE, at WIT, WNEC at home.

Projected Final Record: 9-4 (W, W, W, L, W) in final 5.

7. Wentworth   Currently 4-4 and yet to prove anything. People that were around last year know they shouldn't nessicarily sleep on them.

Games Remaining: at AMC, NC at home, Curry at home, CSC at home, NEC at home,

Projected Final Record 8-5 (W, W, L, W, W)

Endicott   Currently 4-4 and all over the map. Great efforts against WIT and RWU and awful nights against WNEC and CSC.

Games Remaining: at Regis, at UNE, SRU at home, NEC at home, at Curry

Projected Final Record: 8-5 (W, W, W, W, L)

Salve Regina   Currently: 4-4. This is the team none of the top half want to play down the stretch. They have a brutal schedule though.

Games Remaining: at CSC, at Curry, at EC, ENC home, at GC

Projected Final Record: 5-8 (L, L, L, W, L)

10. Nichols Currently: 3-5 I have no idea what to make of this team. I thought this was the year they took the leap.

Games Remaining: at GC, at WIT, ENC at home, Regis at home, UNE at home,

Projected Final Record: 5-8 (L, L, W, W, L)

11. Anna Maria Currently: 2-6 and playing with some serious youth. Could steal one down the stretch.

Games Remaining: WIT at home, at RWU, at NEC, WNEC at home, at Regis

Projected Final Record: 3-10 (L, L, L, L, W)

Regis Currently 2-6 and I think Nathan Hagar needs serious consideration for Coach Of The Year.

Games Remaining: EC at home, at WNEC, RWU at home, at NC, AMC at home

Projected Final Record: 2-11 (L, L, L, L, L)

13. ENC   Currently 1-7 but heading in the right direction when your only league win is against Gordon.

Games Remaining: Curry at home, at NEC, at NC, at SRU, RWU at home

Projected Final Record: 1-12 (L, L, L, L, L)

14. NEC Currently 0-8. I have to think they are too talented to not get a couple.

Games Remaining: WNEC at home, ENC at home, AMC at home, at EC, at WIT

Projected Final Record 2-11 (L, W, W, L, L)


That's how one man sees it unfolding that would leave you with final standings of this:

1. Curry (11-2) (holds tie break with RWU)
2. RWU (11-2)
3. WNEC (10-3)
4. Colby-Sawyer (9-4) (holds tie break with GC)
5. Gordon (9-4)
6. Endicott (8-5) (holds tie break with WIT)
7. Wentworth (8-5)
8. UNE (7-6)
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9. SRU (5-8) (holds tie break with NC)
10. NC (5-8)
11. AMC (3-10)
12. Regis (2-11) (holds tie break with NEC)
13. NEC (2-11)
14. ENC (1-13)

That would leave you with the following first round games:

#8 UNE at #1 Curry

#5 Gordon at #4 Colby-Sawyer

#6 Endicott at #3 WNEC

#7 WIT at #2 RWU

------

While I'm making predictions might as well go on record with all of these:

Player Of The Year Tim Jones - Curry
Rookie Of The Year (assuming the transfers at UNE don't count I can't remember a transfer ever getting it) Garret Bishop NC
Coach Of The Year Nathan Hagar Regis

First Team ALL TCCC

Tim Jones Curry
Sherrad Prezzie-Blue WIT
Jon Bowers Curry
Jakyri Simpson UNE
Ryan Jaziri NEC

Second Team All TCCC

Jon Marstaller Gordon
Aaron Trigg Gordon
Duncan Szeliga CSC
Kyle Fredette WNEC
Justin Woodworth SRU

Honorable Mention

Geoff Barranger RWU
Jonnie Jefferson UNE
Dave Rosso CSC
Justin Kaufman GC
Kingsley Oneychi NEC








Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 07, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
Very impressive CCC Talk.  According to you we're in for another Wentworth-Roger Williams playoff game.  Not sure if Wentworth would like that more or would RWU dread it more?  Gordon fans aren't going to be happy that they don't get any First Team love
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 07, 2008, 01:25:50 PM
Ask for a map and one is provided!  Thank you CCC Talk.

I have some minor issues with the picks, (e.g., I don't see any team losing 5 consecutive conference games, especially one with a COY candidate, & I do see Doyle stepping-up to make some noise),... otherwise Miss S.C. would be proud!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 07, 2008, 01:53:24 PM
CCC Talk.....your name is spot on.  A lot of talk....nonsense talk.  Do you want my phone number?  Not a player so get over it.  A fan of UNE who is here to give deserved credit when it is warranted.  Honorable mention for Jefferson is amusing.  So now that your theory is shot down we can get back to talking basketball.  We do however appreciate your expertise in conference breakdown.

Father of Tab
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 07, 2008, 02:16:50 PM
very nice ccc talk, just for arguments sake I'll throw another mans opinion into the mix:  (and big thanks for saving me the time of going through each teams remaining schedule haha):

1.  Roger Williams-  Top of the league for right now and playing well, but not great, in 4 wins vs NC, WIT, SRU, and CSC they won by a TOTAL of 15 points.  Against middle and bottom CCC teams they have to do better than that, these squeak out wins wont last for much longer.   What is in their favor is remaining schedule, Curry will be a battle of the 6'10 boys and UNE could be a hassle other than that theyve got 3 cupcakes, I say they lose to Curry and win the rest.  Final Record:  11-2

2.  Curry-  This team is on a roll as well 6-1 over their last 7.  Very difficult schedule from here out, I fully expect them to stumble at some point but they could certainly win out.  They win their next 4 and lose the season finale to Endicott.  Final Record:  10-3

3.   Gordon-  Back 2 Back out of conference losses makes this team on a bit of a skid, although I fully expect them to bounce back and win some conference games.  WNEC will be a hiccup for them away so:  Final Record 10-3

4.  University of New England-  Can we say surprise!?! Simpson and Jefferson are capable of leading this team to a win over any conference foe night in and night out but they face the most brutal remaining schedule, that being said...Final Record:  9-4

5.  Western New England-  This appears to be a grind it out team with a very favorable remaining schedule, Gordon will be a game to watch but I think WNEC wins it @ home, they win out for the season and enter the playoffs tied at the top...Final Record:  11-2

6.  Colby-Sawyer-  As CCC talk mentioned they are playing well right now, most recently giving Endicott a royal whopping but theyve got tough game after tough game lined up for the rest of the season, Salve will be a win but from there I dont see the chargers winning a single game.  Final Record:  6-7

7.  Wentworth-  probably better than a typical 4-4 team but they arent up to par with the elite of the league.   Easy schedule bodes well for them with their only loss remaining coming by way of Curry, strong finish gives them a Final Record of:  8-5

8.  Endicott-  Never know which EC team will show up, inconsistency will kill them they go 3-2 the rest of the way...Final Record:  7-6

9.  Salve-  surprising they have clawed their way to .500 to this point but their schedule is anything but favorable from here 4-4 quickly disappears... Final Record:  5-8

10.  Nichols-  Surprisingly beat endicott earlier this year but that was nothing short of a fluke, this team I cant see them finishing very strong.  Final Record:  5-8

11.  Anna Maria-  Dangerous but in a very baby tiger sort of way, they'll pull out one more.  Final Record: 3-10

12.  Regis-  Very impressed to see this team with more than just 3 or 4 overall wins this season, the CCC has proven to be a struggle for them but hey at least they got a couple, and this team is crazy young could be battling for the top within 3 years... Final Record:  2-11

13.  Eastern Nazerene-  After the upset win at Gordon I really expected more, but from what theyve shown since then I cant see them stealing a single victory.  Final Record:  1-12

14.  New England College-  hard to believe a team with 2 of the top players in the conference has yet to win a CCC game this season.  They'll wind up outscoring someone sooner or later pretty good chance ENC and Anna Maria fall victim.  Final Record:  2-11

Final Standings:
1.  Roger Williams  11-2
2.  Western New England  11-2
3.  Gordon 10-3
4.  Curry  10-3
5.  UNE  9-4
6.  Wentworth 8-5
7.  Endicott 7-6
8.  Colby Sawyer 6-7
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9.  Salve 5-8
10. Nichols 5-8
11. Anna Maria 3-10
12. Regis 2-11
13. NEC 2-11
14. Eastern Nazerene  1-12

Looks like we're in complete agreement of the bottom 6 records and all, but that cant be too much of a surprise.  Our top 8 look considerably different though. 
My 1st Round Matchups would look like this:

#8 Colby-Sawyer @ #1 Roger Williams
#5 UNE @ #4 Curry
#6 Wentworth @ #3 Gordon
#7 Endicott @ #2 Western New England

  --------

Individual Honors:

POY:  Tim Jones- Curry
COY:  Michael Tully- Roger Williams
ROY:  Tyler Washington-  Anna Maria

1st Team:
Tim Jones- Curry
Sherrad Prezzie-Blue- Wentworth
Ryan Jaziri- New England College
Jonathan Bowers- Curry
Johnnie Jefferson- University of New England

2nd Team:
Jaykyri Simpson- University of New England
Jon Marstaller- Gordon
Duncan Szeliga- Colby-Sawyer
Aaron Trigg-  Gordon
Kingsley Onyechi- New England College

Honorable Mention:
Jean-Paul Marcellus-  Eastern Nazerene
Justin Woodworth- Salve Regina
Justin Kaufman- Gordon
Kyle Fredette- Western New England
Geoff Baranger- Roger Williams
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 07, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
"Regis  Currently 2-6 and I think Nathan Hagar needs serious consideration for Coach Of The Year."


Was this a joke?  I hope so. How can a coach who is 2-6 in the conference be considered the COY?  I'm baffled.  Granted it is their first year in the league and he is doing a fine job with his team, but not Coach of the Year.
If you want a serious consideration for COY than take a look at UNE's Jason Mulligan. Did a great job recruiting kids late in the summer and now has them playing winning basketball every night.  Need I mention his team has played and practiced much of the season with a total of 8 or 9 players.  Take that 2-6 and turn it into 6-2 with solid wins over the University of Southern Maine and University of Maine-Farmington.  Maybe I am missing something here on this 2-6 record from Regis, and if I am please enlighten me...but let's be real.

On another note, I don't think that any team that is 0-8 deserves first team and second team All-Conference selections(NEC).  You can make a case for one of them but not two.   

Tab step
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 07, 2008, 04:23:31 PM
Hoops Fan...
where are you in our time of need for unbiased commentary???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 07, 2008, 04:28:14 PM
first and second team might be a stretch but they will both certainly be recognized.  Jaziri leads the conference in scoring by 3 points a game and Onyechi is 7th in scoring and 5th in rebounds.  Both of their individual efforts have to be rewarded thats why they are individual honors.  POY is more of something that puts more weight on the team having at least marginal success- exactly why neither has a case for POY, if NEC was ohh say 5-3 right now both players would actually have quite a case for the top individual award.  Onyechi might only get Honorable Mention and Jaziri only 2nd team but looking everything over I see them as a first and second team selection. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 07, 2008, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: scout on February 07, 2008, 04:23:31 PM
Hoops Fan...
where are you in our time of need for unbiased commentary???

You call it biased commentary, while I call it the facts.  It is a matter of winning.
The only thing biased on this board is that it looks like it is going to take a win over UCLA for UNE before people realize they are a very good basketball team.

Tabbit ears

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 08, 2008, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 07, 2008, 04:45:22 PM

You call it biased commentary, while I call it the facts.  It is a matter of winning.

Well then, in your unbiased opinion, how many points will UNE beat Roger Williams by tomorrow?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 08, 2008, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on February 08, 2008, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 07, 2008, 04:45:22 PM

You call it biased commentary, while I call it the facts.  It is a matter of winning.

Well then, in your unbiased opinion, how many points will UNE beat Roger Williams by tomorrow?

I have never predicted a UNE win on this board. I have simply stated that there was a good chance that UNE will beat WIT on the road.  Just like I think there is a good chance that UNE wins at Roger Williams tomorrow.  I don't get into the predictions like some others here.  I am here to talk reality, and the reality is that tomorrow has the chance to be a really good game.  Anytime your team has 4 players that are in the top 20 in scoring in the conference...I would say you have a pretty good chance to win. 

Break the bad tabits
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: une-fan on February 08, 2008, 12:21:22 PM
Right On "Tab"
Coach Mulligan for COY? :o
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 08, 2008, 12:26:43 PM
well ya'll are comin out of the woodwork, huh?

UNE is hot...
one of only a few CCC teams with a winning record...
i'm a fan of the CCC, but to be honest, we're a weak conference...
UNE has only beaten ONE team with a winning record this year, that being WIT this past week...

congrats on having some success this year, and i hope it continues, for parity's sake... (especially against RWU)

but your cred would be a lot stronger with some non-conference wins against successful programs from elsewhere...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on February 08, 2008, 12:52:38 PM
*Welcome To The Jungle blares*

...Clones what is up..things are getting testy on the CCC Board and the pimp in the box Van Smack himself is going to have referee yet another skirmish.....

...starting in Henniker...what is going on with the pilgrims. With Ryan "Hibachi" Jaziri and Kinglsey Onyechi in the fold they should be able to throw myself and Jay Stew and T-Rodge in the lineup and be able to win a conference game....are you kidding me?

and what about the Wentworth Leopards. Last year not much expected finish around .500 and blast though the conference tournament. This year all kinds of things expected finish around .500 and do they blast their way through the conference tournament...we'll find out...rack it

..meanwhile down in Rhode Island Rik Smits Barranger and the boys are putting together a big time year the question is the same as it always is for the Hawks....can they finish?

I'd like to be the first to mourn the posting death of the illustrious Hoops Fan...we miss you

*shuffles papers*

I have a huge email here:

"Dear UNE Fans,

we understand you're excited about your team and also about finally having the internet up in there in New Foundland where your school is located

signed

The Rest of The CCC."

That is no doubt to start a border war up in the Northlands. That being said UNE has exactly one quality win so far so maybe they shouldn't be planning their parade yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 08, 2008, 02:35:27 PM
Rome, it is fairly funny that you take what one person does in real life and copy it onto a message board.  How did you think of that? Genious I must say. 

You probably won't get this for another day or so since it will take that long for my computer to transmit the message since we only have dial-up here in Maine.  I love it..I love it. I love the fact that I have done nothing but state facts on this board and everyone else can't stand it. It just burns people to the core...the fact that UNE is good this year, people just don't want to hear it, so they throw out records of the past and games of the past. Oh, how I love it.  I love the fact that nobody is original these days and always reverts back to the joke that questions civilization in the state of Maine.

So now I will await another post that calls me out for sticking up for UNE and the good things that this team has done.  Fire away.

Rock, Chalk, Tabhawk

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 08, 2008, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 08, 2008, 02:35:27 PM
Rome, it is fairly funny that you take what one person does in real life and copy it onto a message board.  How did you think of that? Genious I must say.

Quote from: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 08, 2008, 02:35:27 PM
Rock, Chalk, Tabhawk

this is too ironic to let go...
using the most original rally cry in all of college sports in vein...


anyhow....
let me again reiterate the fact that UNE has beaten a SINGLE team with a winning record...
in games against teams with a winning record, UNE is 1-7...

again, you have earned praise from myself, at least, for going 6-2 so far in the CCC...
and i sure hope you take it to RWU...
but even then, and still right now, you cannot say you are 'good' just yet...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 08, 2008, 03:32:33 PM
Ok...Rock, Chalk, Tabhawk is a joke. Play on words.....Put it on my tab is the theme.
Not that big of a deal.

I feel that if UNE was to beat RWU tomorrow and go 7-2 in conference and 13-8 overall with their schedule ......."good" would be a word that I could use to describe the team.

Mr. Tab Driver

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2008, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: scout on February 07, 2008, 04:23:31 PM
Hoops Fan...
where are you in our time of need for unbiased commentary???

No internet access for ten days and it seems things have gone crazy since I've been away.  I thought the board had quietly matured.  Honestly, though, since I've been reading back, the posts seem to be more than civil, even if they are hopelessly biased.

Face it, the CCC stinks this year.  There are no clearly dominant teams and even the ones with talent and experience aren't playing up to either one.  I haven't been able to follow things as closely as I would have liked to this season, so my usual flurry of out-of-left-field picks is probably not forthcoming.

One thing is for sure: the tournament will be crazy.  I'll give it another week or so before I really sit down and analyze it well.  We need to be a little closer to the end to know who's ramping up and who's falling off.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 09, 2008, 10:00:42 AM
OK I'll say it...UNE is good.  Big deal, lots of "good" in TCCC. 

I'm just hoping that Hoopsfan is wrong (not often) and that TCCC doesn't stink. Although we won't know that until after the first game following the TCCC tourney.

My current theory is that parity is the word this year and with conference play finally getting interesting the real teams will step forward.

Last thought before todays results..."Rome" is the best entertainment on this site, humor & insight, keeps it honest and best of all, doesn't beat one hometown issue to death.

heading west, road trip
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 09, 2008, 05:16:51 PM
RWU beats UNE on a last second put back today 84-82.  RWU's Dan Gumb converted an offensive rebound with 1.9 seconds to go for the win.

I think this is enough for everyone to accept UNE can play with any team in the conference regardless of location.  there last 3 games against the cream of the CCC...

loss @ WNEC by 2 in OT
win @ WIT by 10
loss @ RWU by 2 in the final 2 seconds

now im all about the fact a win is a win, a loss is a loss, UNE has failed to win those 2 games.  But I think their consistent performance proves they are legit. 

side note for individual peformances, Jefferson of UNE poured in 33. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
Quote from: witfan on February 09, 2008, 10:00:42 AM
I'm just hoping that Hoopsfan is wrong (not often) and that TCCC doesn't stink. Although we won't know that until after the first game following the TCCC tourney.

Two years ago, the best in the CCC was on par with the best in the LEC.  That is so far from the truth this season.  I don't doubt the conference can bounce back, but it's not going to be this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 10, 2008, 10:02:59 AM
I think top to bottom the league is stronger you just aren't seeing the juggernaut style top teams like CSC or Plansky era Endicott. The thing is with 14 teams it's hard to maintain quality all the way through but even the lower level teams are certainly not nights off. So maybe the top shelf isn't on par with the top shelf in other leagues but there are definitely more teams that can win on a consistent basis.

That being said despite a scare for curry and a scare for endicott I am 100% so far on my picks for the rest of the season.



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: une-fan on February 10, 2008, 11:21:47 AM
RWU - UNE - WOW what a game!!!  :o

Most valuable player for RWU? - the three zebras.  ;D

Good thing they were "home town" referees - they were able to give me directions out of Bristol.  :P
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on February 10, 2008, 08:49:21 PM
OK UNE-FAN...Blame it on the refs that is really original. Meanwhile Bashaw and Gumb were on the bench a good deal of the game because of tic tac calls and Barranger had 4 fouls. UNE was in double bonus long before RWU. Simple fact is that your guys got too aggressive down the stretch and were body checking the RWU guards on in bounds plays.

UNE is a good team and well coached but can't win it all unless Jefferson hits 7 tres everytime out. Even then it wasn't enough to beat RWU (with two starters on the bench). Until proven othewrwise RWU is still the conference leader.

Lets see what happens at Curry.



PS UNE-Fan - I guess the Giants beat your Pats because of the refs also.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on February 11, 2008, 12:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Geoff Barranger..RWU for his 1,000 points the other day!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 11, 2008, 12:46:57 PM
That is a BOAT-LOAD of points in one day. ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 11, 2008, 01:12:12 PM
Bill Brasky scored 2,100 points in a game once...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: James on February 11, 2008, 02:24:56 PM
Nice to see everyone has a sense of humor. Lets try it again.

Congratulations to Geoff Barranger on hitting his 1,000 college career point milestone!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 11, 2008, 02:48:02 PM
Congrats to RWU on a good win over UNE.  Big win.

Put it on their tab.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan55 on February 11, 2008, 05:57:15 PM
After reading everyones predicted all-conference players... Where is Mark Mastrullo?? He is by far the most underrated player in the conference.  He is in the top twenty in 6 statistical categories. He ranks 17th in scoring at 12.6,  7th in assists at 3.9, 7th in free throw percentage over 80%, 12th in three point percentage at 42%, 8th in 3pt field goals made at 49, and 13th in assist/turnover ratio.  He quietly puts up solid numbers as a sophomore point guard on a good Curry team all while making Jones and Bowers happy distributing the ball.  Think about this.... he may very well be the first player in CCC history to end his career with over 1,000 points and 400 assists... and NEVER make an all-conference team!!!!  WOW!!!  Can someone please show him some love!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2008, 08:18:25 PM

Mastrullo's a great player, but he's not yet first team material.  I would expect he'll get some votes and be in contention for one of the all-conference teams this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on February 11, 2008, 10:27:02 PM
He is only a soph he has plenty of time to get a all conf
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 12, 2008, 12:28:32 AM
Glad Mark's mom found the board...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on February 12, 2008, 09:19:29 AM
Anyone know how the playoffs will be set up this year, and how many teams make it
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 12, 2008, 09:59:53 AM
I believe the top 8 teams make and then it's a regular playoff format (1vs8, 2vs7, etc).  I could be wrong.  Right now the standing are too packed to determine any possible match-ups though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 12, 2008, 01:51:39 PM
I have to say.  This is the closest TCCC has been top to bottom in a very long time.  There is only a three games difference between first and eighth place.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 12, 2008, 03:48:07 PM
does anyone have a list of TCCC schools that provide free webcasts for their games?

from my knowledge there are only a few...

Gordon - Video, Audio
Roger Williams - Audio
Endicott - Audio

does anyone know if any of the others do as well?

it'd be wonderful if every TCCC school could at least provide up-to-the-minute stats, etc...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 12, 2008, 04:13:53 PM
endicott offers video
and Wentworth offers play by play/live stats
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: une-fan on February 12, 2008, 04:30:27 PM
hey james - relaaaaaxxxxxxxx! - didn't you see the smiley faces?  ???

they are not my pats...and they lost for one reason = JUSTICE  :D

the cheaters forgot that their illegal tape of the defensive signals were from the ny jets and not the giants  ;D

go colts!!!!!!  :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 12, 2008, 04:38:59 PM
games tonight...

Nichols - Wentworth    7:30 p.m.
Gordon - Colby-Sawyer     7:30 p.m.
Regis - Western New England    7:30 p.m.
Eastern Nazarene - New England College   8:00 p.m.
Anna Maria - Roger Williams   8:00 p.m.
University of New England - Endicott   8:00 p.m.
Curry - Salve Regina   8:00 p.m.

Nichols could pick off Wentworth...
Gordon should be tested, but pull away late...
WNEC will take this game by double digits...
ENC and NEC battle for the basement in TCCC...
Roger Williams will earn an easy W here and solidify their lead...
UNE and Endicott will probably be the most entertaining game of the night... I think UNE takes it by 4...
Curry should pick off a much needed win on the road...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 12, 2008, 08:30:23 PM
at the half, nichols 39 - wentworth 36

prezzie-blue leads all scorers with 16 on 5-9 shooting (3-6 three pointers)

rebounding matchup is pretty even... nichols: 15, wit: 14

nichols is shooting 59 from the floor...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 12, 2008, 09:16:11 PM
wentworth pulls out an 81-77 win...
with 9 min to go, rwu is up 65-39...

we'll have to wait until more schools post results...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 12, 2008, 09:19:56 PM
NEC pulled out their first conference win against ENC tonite 82-77
Western New England beat Regis 64-41
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 12, 2008, 09:27:35 PM
csc 65 - gordon 59
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 12, 2008, 09:50:24 PM
UNE  74
Endicott 62
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 12, 2008, 10:46:17 PM
Some real interesting stuff going on tonight in the CCC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: j.CCC on February 13, 2008, 02:25:39 AM
im down right now off the loss, but i sincerely think that gordon just sucks.  they might have the most individual talent in the league maybe, but until they put it together, they are garbage.  my pick for the league now has to be from rwu, une, and curry...and we could just open that up to any team in the ccc not named gordon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 13, 2008, 03:10:51 AM
gordon certainly does have some of the top individual talent in the CCC although they arent real aggressive players.  Marstaller, Trigg, and Kaufman are 3 of the best basketball players in the conference, some might disagree but i know many will agree.   the thing is look around at the other top players in the CCC, Jones from curry- aggressive player, talented scorer really asserts himself and makes his presence known night in and night out, same thing with Prezzi-Blue from WIT, same thing from Jefferson and Simpson at UNE.  While the trio at Gordon is very talented, none of them really have a killer instinct.  Kaufman is a quintessential pass first point guard who is more than capable of scoring but he picks and chooses his spots to score TOO much, Trigg is only a soph and its tough to ask for him to be your teams "killer" when theres the senior class there that gordon has.  and marstaller, this kid should be dominating opponents, going around bigger guys and posting up the smaller ones.  he just lacks that killer instinct to do so.  none of them come down the court in the final 5 minutes of a close game and say "give me the damn ball" and perhaps thats how the coach asks them to play, but every championship team has a player or two that have that killer instinct that make sure games dont slip away in the final 5 minutes.   anyone of those 3 can go for 30 during any game they are that talented, but they are basically unselfish to a fault
just did some quick number crunching too...
Kuafman averages about 8 shots/gm
Marstaller averages about 10 shots/gm
Trigg averages about 11 shots/gm

now other teams, teams with similarly talented players on teams that are winning close contests...
Jefferson of UNE averages 15 shots a game
Prezzie-Blue of WIT averages 14 shots a game
Bowers of Curry averages 15 shots a game
Jones of Curry averages 15 shots a game

I know their is more talent top to bottom @ gordon than most of those teams but if they are going to equally distribute shots it needs to be something like Marstaller and Trigg taking 13+ apiece and Kaufman taking 11.  all 3 of those guys really need to get after it and take it on as a personal responsibility to want the ball and make things happen down the stretch

as for the rest of the CCC with the post season fast approaching- while RWU is leading the pack my personal pick to win the conference is Curry, I think Jones and Bowers are just too tough of a tandem complimenting each other inside and out, and Bowers can match up to Barangers height and really I think have an advantage in the head 2 head department.  RWU is winning but  it seems like almost every win they have is by 4 or 5 points with the exception of a couple (anna maria, new england college)  the feb 20 matchup with curry should give us a better idea of where the two teams stand/how they match up for a potential conference final
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 13, 2008, 10:24:39 AM
broke_ya, i certainly agree that those players on gordon aren't as aggressive as many of the 'top' players in TCCC... however, i certainly think that they do what they do better than 90% of the conference... this gordon team was good enough to beat a nationally ranked plattsburgh state team in new york this january... and they did it the same way they are playing now... motion offense, man defense, and good bball IQ...

their inconsistency is quite astounding, however... and we'll have to see what the matchups will look like come tourney-time to see who is favored, etc...

speaking of tourney... here are the current standings through last night...

1. Roger Williams 9-1 13-9
2. Western New England 8-2 14-8
Curry 8-2 12-10
4. Gordon 7-3 15-7
Colby-Sawyer 7-3 12-8
University of New England 7-3 13-9
7. Wentworth 6-4 12-8
8. Endicott 5-5 9-13
9. Salve Regina 4-6 6-16

The top three are locks, and I would venture to say that RWU has all but solidified its top seed.

RWU has three games on the road to finish its season. The only challenge will be at Curry, where I think they could lose by 7 or 8. This would have them at 11-2 at the finish.

WNEC hosts Gordon then travels to CSC and Anna Maria. The Gordon and CSC games will be interesting. I find it hard to believe that Gordon will drop two straight, I think WNEC can secure a win against CSC and they should handle Anna Maria. This would place them at 10-3 to finish the season.

Curry has the most to gain, as well as the most to lose of those teams at the top. They travel to WIT, then host RWU and Endicott. I think they can certainly win all three, especially against an inconsistent WIT. So, I think they'll finish 11-2, but a loss to RWU wouldn't be too much of a surprise.

Gordon travels to WNEC and UNE before hosting Salve to end the season. I think Gordon will bounce back to beat WNEC, and will lock up at win against Salve. The UNE game is a trap game for them. I wouldn't be surprised with a loss there, putting them at 9-4 to end the season. (Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they took all three games either)

CSC has played well at home all year. Unfortunately, they only have one home game left, and its against a good WNEC team. I think they take a road game against UNE, and finish with two straight losses to WIT and WNEC. This would put them at 8-5 to finish the season.

UNE is another team with a lot to gain as the season closes. I could see them taking two close games at home against CSC and Gordon, and go to Nichols with too much momentum to lose. This would leave them at 10-3, a surprise for a lot of us. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they lost all three. They're just that kind of team.

WIT has a non-conference tuneup at Newbury before hosting their final three games. Curry could come in and beat them in the first game, but then I think WIT comes back with two wins to finish 8-5.

Endicott needs to win their final three games. I don't think they will. They should take Salve and NEC at home, but I think Curry will handle them in the last game. This would put them at 7-6 to finish.

Salve is on the very bubble, but I think it's asking too much for them to make it in. I think they'll win their home game against ENC, but their two road games against Endicott and Gordon will be too much. This will place them at 5-8 to finish.

With these projections, you have the following as the final standings:

1. Curry 11-2
2. Roger Williams 11-2
3. Western New England 10-3
4. University of New England 10-3
5. Gordon 9-4
6. Colby-Sawyer 8-5
7. Wentworth 8-5
8. Endicott 7-6
9. Salve Regina 5-8

Now, please don't go too crazy with all of this. As we ALL know, I will be wrong in many of these instances, because that's just how these things go...

But these are my first projections... I'll probably do one or two more based on how things go...

The shop is open for dialogue... Let's have at it...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan55 on February 13, 2008, 10:34:39 AM
Big win for Curry at home against Salve! They were down 33 to 11 early in the first half and benched Jones for playing absolutely no defense.  Jones showing what a class act he is, sat at the end of the bench and did not participate in any team huddle. He did not play the rest of the game and totaled only 7 minutes.  What an effort from Curry's bench to come back from a huge deficit and steal a victory without the help of Jones.  He is a tremendous offensive player but his attitude and laziness is evident in almost every game he plays.  Thier team defense was tremendous the minute he was taken out of the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 13, 2008, 11:39:19 AM
Key win for WIT last night.  Too bad weather prevented much fan travel, love those live stats!  PB remains my POY vote (if I had a vote).  Some good team D down the stretch clinched to the W.  If this team plays 40 minutes of focused D like that...repeat.

From my chair it appears that the top 7 places are virtually sealed, pairings TBD.

And the question of #8 will likely be settled later this week when Endicott plays Salve Regina.  I think that after that game E & SR split their respective last 2, 1W & 1L each, with E losing to Curry away, and SR losing to Gordon.

In that scenario SR is in a must-win when they match up with Endicott.  An SR win makes a tie for the 8th spot possible (probable).  Note: Endicott has lost 3 straight to TCCC contenders.

How does TCCC manage an 8th spot tie?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 13, 2008, 01:10:43 PM
99% of the time it comes down to head to head regular season results making the EC/Salve game that much more important
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2008, 08:31:30 PM

Having a true round robin this year makes the tie-breakers infinitely easier than they have been during the dreaded "division period."

Head to heads will determine unless there is a three way tie in which every team is 1-1 against the others.  Then we'll have to check the books.

I'll wait until next week or perhaps in the event it happens to go digging.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on February 14, 2008, 08:50:03 AM
The EC vs Salve game will be huge this weekend, if salve gets this one it will but them on the right track for that eight spot
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 14, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
With his leading performance on Saturday vs. Endicott (23 points, 4 rebs, 8 assists)...Jaykyri Simpson of UNE has booked himself as a sure bet for 1st Team All-Conference and has to be considered as POY and Defensive Player of the Year as well.  He is a lock down defender who changes the pace of the game just by being energetic and aggressive.

I prefer tabradors over bulldogs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 14, 2008, 03:09:24 PM
how about we all just agree that every team in the top eight has at least one player that could be POTY....

no one has stepped up and had such an amazing season that a majority of fans of TCCC can agree on any one candidate...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 14, 2008, 04:13:27 PM
What fun is that? 

Nobody from Endicott could be considered. Sorry.

Prezzie-Blue, Barranger, Bowers, Jones(questionable), Szeliga, Simpson...that's where it stops.

Michigan's Tab Five
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 14, 2008, 05:17:49 PM
Id say theres at least a 99% chance the POY comes from one of these 4:
Prezzie-Blue  (Wentworth)
19.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.1 apg

Jones (Curry)
21.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.05 apg

Bowers (Curry)
17.6 pgg, 9.6 rpg, 1.90 apg

Simpson (UNE)
16.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 5.05 apg

-I honestly think Prezzie-Blue is out of the race at this point, his only hope of staying in is to go off in the final few games of the season, if he wasnt the reigning POY I'm not sure he's at all in the running right now

-If UNE can win 2 of their final 3 and finish the season 9-4 in conference play Simpsons got a real good shot (assuming he at LEAST continues the production hes had to this point in the season)  What he has done to turn UNE around with the individual production he gives it would be hard to count him out

-If Curry wins out I think its a lock that the POY is from Curry, whether it be Jones or Bowers is up in the air really.  Jones is certainly the more widely known household name as he's been a consistent name amongst the CCC greats for a couple years now.  Bowers though has really been a beast and with Jones having his self implode moments recently its opened the door for Bowers to come in and grab the honor

I'd break it down like this:
Bowers-35% chance
Jones-30% chance
Simpson 30% chance
Prezzie-Blue 5% chance

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 14, 2008, 05:59:20 PM
That's a pretty good breakdown, but I feel that POY won't come from Curry simply because they have two candidates that will take away votes from each other.  Doesn't mean either guy won't win it.  Simpson has been a nice addition to the league this year and has certainly lead his team to where they are now.  Then there's Prezzie-Blue; no player does more to his team than this guy.  Without him they would struggle to get through the conference.  All that being said, no clear choice for POY yet.  We'll obviously know more by next Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2008, 06:26:55 PM

I don't think you're going to see too many coaches voting for Bowers.  He's a solid player, but he's been too up and down in person to get this award.

In the past, talented underclassmen have been overlooked for solid Seniors who have put in time.  Last year was an exception and maybe all the new-blood coaches are changing things up, but I'm still putting my money on Tim Jones.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 14, 2008, 10:38:42 PM
Wentworth goes down to Newbury 68-67.  Prezzie-Blue and Doyle each score 16, but a foul with less than a second left gave Newbury the victory at the line.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 16, 2008, 03:24:12 PM
couple early finals from today:
Endicott 72  Salve  65
Nichols 89  Eastern Naz  83

With Endicotts win that basically finalizes who the 8 playoff teams will be, now its just a matter of sorting out the seeds
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 16, 2008, 04:58:21 PM
Final from wentworth...

Curry 69  Wentworth 64

Wentworth absolutely KILLED curry on the boards
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 16, 2008, 05:18:34 PM
UNE over Colby Sawyer today  90-78 

and

Gordon over WNEC 67-59
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 16, 2008, 07:56:11 PM
Jaykyri Simpson's line:  25 points, 9 rebs, 8 assists
Johnnie Jefferson: 33 points, 8 rebs
UNE 12 point win over CSC.

They still are not for real though, they haven't beat Duke yet.

G.I. Joe's, Barbie Dolls, Tabbage Patch Kids
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 17, 2008, 06:47:40 PM
Credit to UNE and their three headed monster.  I didn't think they would be able to win or even be competitive in their past games but they've certainly proved that they can play in the regular season. They definitely could be dangerous in the playoffs.  They have another tough game at home against Gordon on Wednesday and I expect a close game there too.

The standings are still up in the air but now we know the 8 teams that are most likely in.  I'm surprised that Wentworth has been a bottom dweller despite the fact they have battled injury to one of their key players.  They had an awful shooting day yesterday and it appears last year magic hasn't yet arrived.  Also impressed with Endicott and their ability to 'stick around.'  A lot of people had written them off, including me, earlier in the year.  But with a win over RWU and competitive play in every game they've played, they could also surprise someone in the playoffs.

It seems like Gordon has been overlooked a bit on this board.  They're still very dangerous and have solid veteran leadership, very similar to RWU and Curry.  This year there isn't a clear favorite which makes playoff time more exciting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan55 on February 18, 2008, 04:26:44 PM
Congratulations to Jones, Mastrullo, and Simpson.... The only players in the entire conference who will finish the season with over 300 points and 100 assists!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2008, 05:21:53 PM

We do have seven guaranteed playoff spots now and EC just needs a win or a Nichols loss to clinch as well.  That being said, the seedings are still very much up in the air.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 20, 2008, 10:15:32 AM
games tonight...

Colby-Sawyer - Wentworth  7:30 p.m.
New England College - Endicott 8:00 p.m.
Western New England - Anna Maria 8:00 p.m.
Eastern Nazarene - Salve Regina 8:00 p.m.
Roger Williams - Curry  8:00 p.m.
Gordon - University of New England 8:00 p.m.
Regis - Nichols  8:00 p.m.

Curry and RWU battle for top position. A win tonight for RWU would lock up the top spot. A loss would allow for the possibility of a 4 way tie for first if RWU and Curry lose on Saturday and the winner of Gordon/UNE and WNEC win out.

It's unlikely to happen, but it'd be fun to see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 20, 2008, 10:29:08 PM
so, it's time to revisit my projections to this point...

RWU - Predicted: 1-1 ... Actual: 1-1
WNEC - Predicted: 1-1 ... Actual: 1-1
Curry - Predicted: 2-0 ... Actual: 2-0
Gordon - Predicted: 1-1 ... Actual: 1-1
CSC - Predicted: 1-1 ... Actual: 0-2
UNE - Predicted: 2-0 ... Actual: 2-0
WIT - Predicted: 1-1 ... Actual: 1-1
Endicott - Predicted: 2-0 ... Actual: 2-0

this last round of games on saturday will probably put all of the predictions out of whack, but it's been interesting to see the parity in the CCC right now...

UNE appears unbeatable at home...
Curry is getting hot...
Gordon is crazy inconsistent...
WNEC is talented but won't be seen past the second round of the tournament...
Wentworth has Prezzie-Blue and we all know what he can do...
And CSC is inconsistent, but has beaten the talented teams in the conference...

At this point, it looks as if RWU and Curry have locked up home games in the first round...
WNEC and UNE can do so with wins this weekend... Both are playing away games (at Nichols and CSC respectively)

thoughts everyone?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 20, 2008, 10:58:56 PM
Judging by the stats tonight, it looks like Todd Doyle may be back for Wentworth (24 points), which makes them extremely dangerous.  Prezzie-Blue and Bynes scored 16 and 17 points respectively as they defeated Colby-Sawyer 71-63.

Endicott pulls one out over NEC 100-56.  Jaziri was held to 7 points as Endicott had 4 players in double digits.

Curry wins at home over RWU.  Baranger had 13 points and 12 boards while Bashaw and Barrett had 11 each.  Bowers goes for 18 points and 15 boards and Jones had 18 on his own as well.

UNE wins at home over Gordon 72-59.  Trigg had 19 while Simpson dropped 21 points and Stickney goes for 16 points and 16 boards on his senior night.  The win secures a home playoff game for UNE

Nichols over Regis 91-71.

Eastern Naz wins at Salve 59-51.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 21, 2008, 02:47:20 PM
I have a suggestion for the Gordon coach and his players.
Take some time to re-read the mission statement on your athletic webpage that talks about competing with integrity and good sportsmanship.
Your behavior at the UNE game last night was atrocious.
Losing is a part of competing but it requires losing with character!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2008, 03:15:19 PM
for those of us who did not attend the UNE-Gordon game, cccc-fanatic, would you kindly provide some detail into what happened?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 21, 2008, 05:04:26 PM
Gordon's coach got tossed for snapping at the refs in a game that was already over.  The game was over with under 2 minutes to go when he was thrown out.   The weird thing about it was the clock showed "UNE Fouls=8 :  GORDON Fouls = 5" at the time.  Clearly the officials were not the reason for UNE's dominating second half performance. 

Gordon seemed as though as they could not take the fact that UNE was beating them fair and square.  UNE players however did not do a good job of walking away and they allowed Gordon to get to their heads.  Johnnie Jefferson and Gordon's Shnackenber were called for double technical fouls and than Jefferson reacted to this call and collected a second technical foul and was ejected.

UNE was simply the better team tonight.

The game was tabotaged.



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2008, 06:32:44 PM
thanks for letting us know...

believe it or not, Gordon's coach is a class act, at least from my interactions with him and his team...
i am not one to speak for him, the program, or any of the players, but it is my belief that they have nothing but respect for the conference and the teams they play against...

as we all know, one can get caught up in the moment and things happen...
i was not at the game, so i don't have a firsthand opinion or account, but i think that this kind of reaction is rare from this squad...

and Tab, i think you said it best... UNE just seemed to outplay them... Simpson went nuts...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 21, 2008, 09:54:50 PM
Here we go...

The two posts from the UNE apologists are worse for me to stomach than drunken Endicott fans posting on the site two years ago when they won the conference.

Where do I even start?

First of all, Gordon never complained that the refs were the reason for UNE beating them, so "tabs" assessment of the situation is wrong. Likewise, "cccc-fanatic" saying that Gordon needs to lose with class needs to be examined from the opposite point of view -- winning with class.

They are quick to point out Gordon's technical fouls, but UNE had the same numbers of technicals.

1. The first technical was on Chas Rentrope with 19 seconds left in the first half. After he forced Marstaller to turn the ball over, and got his team possession, he proceeded to shove Marstaller, and then shove him again, resulting in Gordon getting two FT's and the ball.

2. UNE's second technical came as a result of Issac Stickney and Aaron Trigg falling to the ground, and then Stickney shoving Trigg' into the ground. Subsequently, Marstaller picked up his T foul by shoving back and sticking up for his player.

3. Coach Schauer's technical fouls came after UNE drew a charge, which is fine, except Gordon felt they should have gotten four or five charges through out the game. That, in and of itself might seem like Gordon being a bad apple, but there is more to the story, where I feel that the ref who tossed Schauer has been involved with Gordon and questionable calls in the past. That's not for me to pass judgment on, it's the league's problem.

4. Then there was the double technical previously mentioned on this board. While Schnack and Jefferson got the fouls, Stickney caused is by setting an illegal screen on Trigg, shoving him out of the way. Apparently, neither of the players who got the technical really deserved it, it was more of the refs handing out vigilantly justice. So both technicals on Gordon's players came as a result of them sticking up for their teammates who were being intentionally fouled, and had nothing to do with the refs, or that they "couldn't take the fact UNE was beating them."

Then when all this was going on, Stickney was classy enough to go over to Coach Martin and tell him to "shut the eff up".

So really? Gordon is the team that needs to check their attitude? I know if Scout wasn't at that game, then none of the Gordon posters on this board were, and UNE supporters are only giving you half the story.

Gordon did get beat, and it wasn't because of the refs. UNE shot 61%. So say what you want about the final score, about UNE's dream season and whatever, but don't openly bash the integrity of the Gordon's player's and their coach, because it's just so far from the truth for those of us who actually know them.



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2008, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on February 21, 2008, 09:54:50 PM
but don't openly bash the integrity of the Gordon's player's and their coach, because it's just so far from the truth for those of us who actually know them.

well said
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 22, 2008, 09:57:47 AM
I'm so sorry and I guess I guess that I better apologize.
Since I'm a new user, I mistakenly thought that the purpose of this site was to post my opinion...but obviously I was wrong.
Next time I'll be sure to get Scout's permission to state my mind so that I'm not immediately bashed as a UNE apologist  and a drunken fan.
Yes Gordon is a great team with a great coach, but I would again suggest that even they should be somewhat embarrased by their behavior as it pertains to their own mission statement .
P.S. although there are many new products on the market, I would still recommend that old stanby, Pepto-Bismol for the upset stomach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 22, 2008, 10:02:43 AM
ooops ....another apology ...to scout...I should have said dwebbs
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on February 22, 2008, 11:28:46 AM
I guess dwebbs had a much better vantage point of the game than I did, the details tell me that he has watched the game more than once.  If I am a "UNE apologist", than what he described makes him a "Gordon apologist" at the highest level.   

I commend him for sticking up for Gordon as that is what he should be doing, however, don't taint the facts.  Both UNE and Gordon acted inappropriately.  Jefferson acted childish as did all of the players in the game who allowed their emotions to get the best of them. However, there is nothing that the officials or UNE players could have done that could force a man to act as the coach did.  It was embarrassing to watch.

Tabbing Westward



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 22, 2008, 01:50:15 PM
thanks tab...couldn't have said it better myself
it was tabulous!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 22, 2008, 04:07:32 PM
A look at the standings before the final regular season games . . .

Curry and Roger Williams are tied for 1st with Curry holding the tie-breaker.  Roger Williams travels to Eastern Naz and Curry is at home against Endicott for the their respective final games.  I'm predicting both teams to win and Curry finish #1 in the conference with RWU at #2.

There's another tie for #3 in the conference between UNE and WNEC.  UNE has definitely been a surprise to say the least this season.  They've proven they can beat good teams and are pretty dangerous on their home court.  They travel to Nichols for their last game (and they'll probably win) while WNEC travels to Colby-Sawyer.  I see CSC winning this game thus making UNE #3.  Gordon is in the #5 spot right now and has Salve at home for their final game.  If they win this game it will bump them up to #4 since they hold the tie-break over WNEC after they beat them on 2/16.

Where it gets interesting as well is the tie for 6th.  Right now Wentworth, Colby-Sawyer, and Endicott are tied.  During the season Wentworth has defeated CSC but lost to Endicott.  Endicott beat WIT but got blown out at CSC.  CSC lost at WIT and won against EC.  Wentworth has the easiest match-up against NEC while CSC is at home against WNEC, and Endicott travels to Curry.  Wentworth and CSC might win and EC goes down to Curry.

So the final standings (I'm predicting) look like this:

1.  Curry
2.  Roger Williams
3.  University of New England
4.  Gordon
5.  Western New England
6.  Wentworth
7.  Colby-Sawyer
8.  Endicott

Playoff match-ups:
First Round:

#1 Curry at home vs #8 Endicott
#2 RWU at home vs #7 CSC
#3 UNE at home vs #6 Wentworth
#4 Gordon at home vs #5 WNEC

Second Round:

#1 Curry at home vs #6 Wentworth
#2 RWU at home vs #4 Gordon

Finals:

#1 Curry vs #4 Gordon

Champions:  Curry College


Just my opinion, I could be wrong about some of the stuff I stated above.  Should be an interesting Saturday and playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2008, 05:53:31 PM
backboard...
thanks for posting your thoughts on the close finish and the tournament...
after i posted my predictions, i wasn't sure if anyone else was excited about some interesting matchups, since no-one followed up...

but you came in and saved the day...

i agree that curry is dangerous...
une is such an anomaly this year, that i could see them reaching the finals...
rwu has flown under the radar all year...

it's so tough to figure it all out...

what does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 22, 2008, 08:26:55 PM
ok, although a rookie, I'll give it a try:
I agree with backboard:
UNE beats Nichols
CS beats WNE
RWU beats EN
Curry beats Endicott
Wentworth beats NEC
Gordon beats SR

Final standings
Curry   11-2
RWO    11-2
UNE     10-3
Gordon  9-4
WNEC    9-4
Went     8-5
CS         8-5
End       7-6

1st round:
Curry - Endicott
RWU - CS
UNE - Went
Gordon - WNEC

2nd round:
Curry - UNE
RWU - Gordon

Final
Gordon - UNE

Champs - UNE - what a turn-around year from good recruiting, playing & coaching

oh well...we'll see


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2008, 05:22:07 PM
and so it's all been decided...
the final standings:

Curry*     11-2     15-10
Roger Williams*    11-2    15-10
Gordon*    9-4    17-8
University of New England*    9-4    15-10
Western New England*    9-4    15-10
Wentworth*    8-5    14-10
Colby-Sawyer*    8-5    13-10
Endicott*    7-6    11-14
Nichols    6-7    10-15
Salve Regina    4-9    6-19
Anna Maria    2-10    8-16
Regis    2-10    8-16
New England College    2-11    7-18
Eastern Nazarene    2-11    5-20

therefore, with the tie-breakers, we have the following matchups in the tournament...

8 Endicott at 1 Curry
7 CSC at 2 RWU
6 Wentworth at 3 UNE
5 WNEC at 4 Gordon

some good matchups
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 23, 2008, 06:33:42 PM
Gordon, UNE, and WNEC all finished 9-4. Gordon beat WNEC, WNEC beat UNE, and UNE beat Gordon, so the head to head doesn't solve that. It's been my understanding that, through some formula that involves non conference, Gordon will be third, WNEC will be fourth, and UNE is fifth.

...changing the middle match ups to...

#6 WIT @ #3 Gordon
#5 UNE @ #4 WNEC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 23, 2008, 06:45:24 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on February 23, 2008, 06:33:42 PM
Gordon, UNE, and WNEC all finished 9-4. Gordon beat WNEC, WNEC beat UNE, and UNE beat Gordon, so the head to head doesn't solve that. It's been my understanding that, through some formula that involves non conference, Gordon will be third, WNEC will be fourth, and UNE is fifth.

...changing the middle match ups to...

#6 WIT @ #3 Gordon
#5 UNE @ #4 WNEC
Correct on the pairings (just announced to the schools).  The three-way tie was broken the following way:
All three went 1-1 against the other two.  UNE drops to #5 since they lost to #1 Curry, while Gordon and WNEC both beat Curry.  Gordon beat WNEC head-to-head to claim #3.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2008, 08:51:53 PM
UNE loses their last game of the regular season (79-81) at Nichols as Issac Stickney recorded his 1,000 career points.  The loss (as stated is the last post) drops UNE down to the #5 spot and they will travel to WNEC.  The game was the last for Ron Powers, Chris Vallee and Eric Foster for Nichols.

Wentworth defeated NEC (94-74) on their senior day for Prezzie-Blue, Ed Bolton, and Gil Ward against NEC.  They were led by Bynes' 21 points, and Doyle and Prezzie-Blue's 14 points each.  Ryan Jaziri finished out his outstanding career with 29 points.  Wentworth will travel to Gordon in a rematch of last years semi-final game in which Prezzie-Blue dropped 30 points in route to a victory.

Colby-Sawyer coach Bill Foti earned his 300th victory today as his team beat WNEC at home 72-59.  CSC was led by Dave Rosso's 24 points while Asif Abdul-Wadud and Ryan Hernandez each scored 14 for WNEC.  Colby-Sawyer will travel to Roger Williams and WNEC will host UNE for their respective playoff games.

Roger Williams finished as the #2 seed and will host Colby-Sawyer as they defeated Eastern Naz in their final regular season game 71-48.  No stats up on this game as of yet.  For Eastern Naz, it was the last game for Luc Jasmin, Jeremy Hueston, Jean-Paul Marcellus, and Andrew Brown.

Gordon wins a close contest against Salve Regina 66-64.  Gordon was led by Kaufman's 18 and Trigg's 14.  For Salve, Steve Walsh recorded 25 points and Justin Woodworth recorded 14 points.  Gordon honored their seniors Justin Kaufman, Jon Marstaller, Michael Schnackenberg, and Keith Krass.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 23, 2008, 10:03:08 PM
does anyone know which of the 4 games will be broadcast over the internet?
thanks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2008, 10:19:47 PM
i have contacted just about every SID i know, and looked up those i didn't...

Gordon broadcasts all home games online with video... www.gordon.edu/athletics (a link will be posted about 15 minutes before game)

RWU also broadcasts audio for home games... www.rwuhawks.com

WNEC does NOT broadcast games...

Neither does Curry...

of all the broadcasts, Gordon has the most dynamic, interesting, and unbiased commentary... you will even hear them reference the other team by player names... other schools just use numbers...


on a side note... CSC's and UNE's staff have both said that they are attempting to initiate webcasts for next year's games...

i hope this helps
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2008, 10:25:02 PM

Wow, scout; that is above and beyond there.


I'd also like to thank all of your for picking up the slack I've left this year.  I just don't have as much time to devote to d3hoops this year now that I'm not sitting bored at a desk for 40 hours a week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on February 23, 2008, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 23, 2008, 08:51:53 PM
Wentworth defeated NEC (94-74) on their senior day for Prezzie-Blue, Ed Bolton, and Gil Ward against NEC.  They were led by Bynes' 21 points, and Doyle and Prezzie-Blue's 14 points each.  Ryan Jaziri finished out his outstanding career with 29 points.  Wentworth will travel to Gordon in a rematch of last years semi-final game in which Prezzie-Blue dropped 30 points in route to a victory.



Jaziri finishes his career with 1861 points
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 24, 2008, 04:30:39 PM
wow, thanks for the info scout
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2008, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: scout on February 23, 2008, 10:19:47 PM
you will even hear them reference the other team by player names... other schools just use numbers...

Seriously?? Ugh.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2008, 11:14:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2008, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: scout on February 23, 2008, 10:19:47 PM
you will even hear them reference the other team by player names... other schools just use numbers...

Seriously?? Ugh.

unfortunately, yes...
but hey, the CCC isn't as high-profile a conference as others...
Gordon is certainly setting a precedent with their broadcasts...

RWU has a good audio feed, but their subject matter revolves almost solely on RWU and seems to mention the other team only because that's who RWU is playing at the moment... still, i must give credit to RWU as being one of the only other CCC teams to broadcast games live...

hopefully as time passes, the quality will get better...

for now though, i encourage anyone with any interest in CCC basketball and not going to one of the games tuesday to listen to/watch the gordon WNEC game online...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 25, 2008, 07:57:51 AM
If they want to watch the "Gordon-WNEC" game they are going to have to wait a week and see if it even happens.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2008, 10:15:40 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 25, 2008, 07:57:51 AM
If they want to watch the "Gordon-WNEC" game they are going to have to wait a week and see if it even happens.

Yeah GC plays Wentworth in the first round.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2008, 10:38:44 AM
thanks guys...
my bust...

i posted that last night, realized it this morning and couldn't change it before i had to be out the door...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 25, 2008, 12:19:23 PM
Is everyone ready for some Basketball?  I am excited to see what happens tomorrow night.  I can see any of the bottom four teams winning their matchup.  The playoffs should be very interesting this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2008, 01:46:41 PM
You're right akirk.  The match-ups this year are very interesting, although I don't see Endicott going into Curry's gym and coming out a winner.  The best game to watch perhaps maybe the Wentworth-Gordon game.  These teams are very similar but Gordon is a bit more disciplined and may have a little more depth.  But it's been said before and I'll say it again, Prezzie-Blue is capable of leading his team past anyone in the CCC.  Gordon did a good job on him in their early January game, so let's see if Wentworth is able to make some changes this time.  I don't know who to pick as the winner of this game.

It's been a few years since Roger Williams has got past the first round and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't get past it this year either.  Although they do appear to be a more formidable team than in years past, I still expect a close contest against Colby-Sawyer.  RWU's guards were able to play well in their regular season contest so CSC will have their hands full with that.  I expect big games out of the RWU seniors as they do have something to prove.  That being said, I do expect RWU to come out the winner but not by more than 10 points.

In the #4-#5 match-up, there are two teams who both have something to prove.  WNEC wants to go out and show that they are true contenders in their first year in the CCC.  UNE has the most prove out of any team.  They want to show that they're capable of playing in the playoffs at the same high level they played in the regular season.  In their regular season match-up, UNE barely lost by 2 in overtime, so this should be another really good game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2008, 05:29:46 PM
All-Conference Teams and Awards (just released)

FIRST TEAM

C - Geoff Baranger, Roger Williams, Senior
C/F - Johnathan Bowers, Curry, Senior
G - Tim Jones, Curry, Senior
G - Sherrad Prezzie-Blue, Wentworth, Senior
G - Jaykyri Simpson, Univ. of New England, Junior

SECOND TEAM

G - Ryan Jaziri, New England College, Senior
F - Johnnie Jefferson, Univ. of New England, Junior
G - Justin Kaufman, Gordon, Senior
F - Duncan Szeliga, Colby-Sawyer, Junior
G - Aaron Trigg ,Gordon, Sophomore

HONORABLE MENTION

G - Asif Abdul-Wadud, Western New England, Senior
G - Tucker Bashaw, Roger Williams, Junior
F - Jim Bayne, Western New England, Senior
F - Joey Burgos, Endicott, Junior
G - Todd Doyle, Wentworth, Junior
F - Jean-Paul Marcellus, Eastern Nazarene, Senior
F - Chris Vallee, Nichols, Senior
G - Justin Woodworth, Salve Regina, Junior

INDIVIDUAL AWARDS

PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Geoff Baranger, Roger Williams
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Asif Abdul-Wadud, Western New England
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Garret Bishop, Nichols
SENIOR SCHOLAR-ATHLETE OF THE YEAR - Stephen Walsh, Salve Regina
COACH OF THE YEAR - Michael Tully, Roger Williams
TEAM SPORTSMANSHIP AWARD - Regis College
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on February 25, 2008, 06:16:06 PM
I dont think i would put baranger POY or even 1st team, i mean there is alot of other guys i would rather have. He is only putting up 15 and 6.

I am surprised jaziri is 2nd team and that kingsley is not even on there.

Also jim bayne was POY last year in the gnac this year he is HM.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2008, 06:19:30 PM
Wow I don't think they could have gotten the POY more wrong.  Tim Jones should have won but I'm guessing his behavior in the Salve Regina game cost him the award.  Regardless, even his teammate Bowers or Gordon's Aaron Trigg were better candidates than Baranger.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2008, 09:19:07 PM

Since I haven't seen anyone play this year, it would be hard for me to judge strictly by stats.  If the coaches think Barranger deserves it, then I'll go with that.  He's certainly improved a ton over his freshman year and the historical trend has been to honor Seniors who have played hard for four years.

It was a crazy season in the CCC all around; there's no reason why it should end any differently.

Here's to a crazy tournament and hopefully not getting blown out in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 25, 2008, 10:52:01 PM
I am going to take the following teams tomorrow night:

Endicott over Curry
CSC over Roger Williams
Gordon over WIT (although I would not be surprised if it went the other way)
WNEC over UNE

What about everyone else?  Anyone else have any major upsets?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 25, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
Wow Hoops Fan, loving the road dog!!

I'm going with Curry, RWU, WIT, and WNEC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2008, 06:52:05 AM
I'll take the following teams:

Endicott (+8)
CSC (+5)
Gordon (-3)
WNEC (-4)

Not to copy akirk, but I think he was spot on...

Spreads are preliminary and in the CCC, things are crazy inconsistent, but i thought I'd add them anyway...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 26, 2008, 12:37:15 PM
I'll go with...
Curry
Roger Williams
Gordon
UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 26, 2008, 12:54:57 PM
Curry   by 10
WNEC  by 4
WIT     by 2
CSC    by 6
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 26, 2008, 01:16:00 PM
Curry
UNE
RWU
Gordon/WIT - I don't know
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 26, 2008, 01:16:07 PM
Curry
RWU
WIT (whadya think!)
UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2008, 02:19:45 PM
Just to piece it all together...

Endicott @ Curry
     2              5

CSC @ RWU
  3          4

WIT @ Gordon
  3            3              (and one abstain)

UNE @ WNEC
  3           4


Case in point: No-one has a freaking clue what's going to happen tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
halftime in wenham...

42-34 Gordon...

prezzie-blue is on for wit...
trigg and derr for gordon...

we'll see
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2008, 10:09:16 PM
all the tops seeds won tonight...

on thursday:

WNEC @ Curry
Gordon @ RWU

Two very close games...
If I'm Gordon, I'd be afraid about Barringer taking over the game like he did in their regular season matchup...
If I'm RWU, I'd be afraid that Aaron Trigg gets hot and drops 20+ like he's done so many times this season...

If I'm Curry, I'd be afraid that they get down early and Tim Jones decides it's not worth it...
If I'm WNEC, I'd be afraid of the complete opposite happening...

but hey...

what do i know?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 27, 2008, 07:55:11 AM
Does anyone have any more info on last night's games.  I see all the results but no feed back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 27, 2008, 08:10:46 AM
 My Gulls gave Curry all they could want. It was a much closer game that the fianl score would show. Props to Curry, they got it done. Don't tell me Tim Jones isn't player of the year. Point guard Mark Mastrullo would have been a better choice than the guy from RWU - no disrespect meant.

You want feedback - find the names of the officials in last night's game and have their patches taken away. There were unbelievably bad call - for both sides. There were times that the game really almost got out hand. All because the officials were brutal. Anyone that has seen Curry play knows they are a very physical - in your face - defensive team. How can they play that style and have ONE foul called in the ENTIRE second half, until the final 30 seconds. Too bad the stripes figured into what was a great game otherwise.

Finally, I'm going west for a new gig next month. I'll be following you guys closely here. keep me in the loop. i'll miss my CCC hoops. I won't miss the Curry gym. Rude, obnoxious, overly aggressive fans - just because someone is wearing an opposing shirt. I listened to Curry students really busting Endicott family members and students. There's NO place for that. It was uncomfortable and could have gotten ugly. People always busted us at the Post for pregame partying. Maybe so, but i don't think anyone ever feared for their safety. Maybe that we'd puke on their shoes by accident!!!

My last game to watch will be Gordon/RWU. Want to see if the big guy lives up to POY!!!!     It's been a blast fellow posters.   One final GO GULLS for the year!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 08:56:32 AM
i haven't taken too hard a look at any of the three other games...

in the Gordon-WIT game, outside the first basket (a layup by SPB), Gordon led the entire way...
WIT had two players in double figures. SPB had 29 and Shane West had 10.

Gordon had Trigg, Kaufman, Derr, Schnackenberg all in double figures...
Gordon was 76% from 3 in the first half and 33% (i think) in the second half...
WIT was around 20% the whole game...

Rebounding margin was pretty even... Gordon had 26 and WIT 27...

Gordon led by as many as 17 in the second half and despit SPB's best efforts WIT just couldn't get back in it...
Gordon stretched out the floor in the halfcourt offense later in the second half to take time off the clock and convert the basket...

Gordon won it... But even with Gordon ahead by 14 with 9:30 remaining, I couldn't help but think back to a year ago when SPB just went nuts in the second half...

All the stats above are from memory, so if I'm a little off, I apologize...

I'll take a look at the other games later in the day and try to come up with some analysis...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 27, 2008, 09:42:37 AM
Gullfan, i'm confused.  Tim Jones only had 3 points last night, after seeing that you want him to be POY.  I don't think Barringer should have won the award but I don't think Jones is the guy either.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on February 27, 2008, 09:54:55 AM
  I go by the whole package, not just a per game stat sheet. I think too many people get hung up on ppg as the guide to great players. Jaziri was lighting it up all year and only had 7 against Endicott. Does that diminsh what he did the rest of the time.
Jones is a complete player. Baranger is a very soft 6"10" post man. At that size, in D3, shouldn't he dominate? He surely didn't - all year, not just 1 bad shooting night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 27, 2008, 09:58:21 AM
I completely agree with you.  Going by points isn't the best way to do it, that is why i'm surprised you like jones for poy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 10:04:58 AM
Roger Williams shouldn't have won last night...
I give them credit because they did pull out a win and much thanks to CSC for giving it to them...

RWU shot 16-48 from the floor... 33%
In the first half, they were 6-24... 25%

Going into the break, CSC had only a 7 point lead even shooting 46% in the first half...

CSC finished the night 41% from the floor...

Rebounds wise, it was even...
34-31 RWU...

Unfortunately for CSC, it seems they only had two players who could score for them...
Credit RWU for their consistent perimeter defense in every game this year...
Szeliga and Rosso both put up 20+, but no other CSC player hit double-figures...

For RWU, Baranger, Fava, and Bashaw all hit double-figures, and Baranger added 11 rebounds as well...
But Baranger only had double figures because he was 9-10  from the foul line...
Otherwise he was 4-11 from the floor...

It seems like it was a poor shooting night for both teams (although RWU kind of sparked in the second half a bit)...

CSC had three chances with 15 seconds left to tie it with a three... Two offensive boards and two more 3-attempts later, they couldn't put it in the hoop and RWU escaped one...

I don't expect RWU to go cold again, especially against Gordon on Thursday...

Gordon hasn't beaten RWU since 2006...
And their last two losses to the Hawks have been by double figures...
By the way, both of those last two games were played in Bristol...

Gordon better be on...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 10:33:39 AM
The WNEC-UNE game appears close...

The best players on each team did their thing and WNEC came out on top...

Kyle Fredette had 20, Ryan Hernandez and Matt Maynard both posted double-figures for WNEC...
WNEC as a whole shot near 50% from the floor on the night...
They were also 33% from 3-point...

Jaykyri Simpson led UNE with 16, and Isaac Stickney and Schwartzenberg also had double-figures...


The biggest disparity of the night, and what I think played the biggest role in the outcome was UNE's consistent attempts to hit the three-point shot...
They put up 15 treys... They hit only one of them...
This most likely forced them to go inside with their offense... (Hence Simpson and Stickney leading scoring for UNE)...

Missing so many threes gave WNEC a 9-rebound advantage over UNE, giving the Golden Bears more chances offensively, where they could drive to the hoop and get fouled...

WNEC went to the line to shoot a free throw 25 times... Converting only 64%
UNE went to the line 11 times, converting 82%...

It seems like WNEC did what they wanted offensively and controlled the boards to win this game...

It was a remarkable season for UNE...
They did more than most of us expected and credit the coach, the team, and UNE fans for supporting a program that hopefully will continue to challenge the rest of the TCCC...

For WNEC, the newcomer will face Curry on Thursday...
Again, if Tim Jones et. al. get hot early, WNEC could be in trouble, but expect Defensive Player of the Year Asif Abdul-Wadud (WNEC) to shadow Jones all night long...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 27, 2008, 11:03:01 AM
Why wasn't Jefferson in the game last night for UNE?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on February 27, 2008, 11:03:01 AM
Why wasn't Jefferson in the game last night for UNE?

i'd be interested to know that as well...
he had a great month and was on a roll...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 27, 2008, 02:32:14 PM
wonder if it had anything to do with his ejection from the gordon game....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 27, 2008, 03:14:39 PM
Gordon came to play.  I'm sure their memory of last year was front and center.
The percentage difference in 3's was not as bad a Scout mentions,

"Gordon was 76% from 3 in the first half and 33% (i think) in the second half...
WIT was around 20% the whole game
..."

in fact the percentage was about the same in the first half, but WIT's 5 of 7 all came from PB while Gordons 9 of 13 came from 4 different players.  There was a stretch about mid-1st half that Gordon seemed to rain 3's.  To their credit WIT weathered the storm and closed to 6 at the half but I think that run of 3's took a mental toll (some defensive confusion ensues when your opponent is hitting the shot you want them to take).  WIT had a chance to take control during the almost 5 minute scoring drought but nobody could convert.  Gordon played a classic "bend but don't break" D and never let WIT get back into it.  Great strategy on both sides, chess match b-ball.

Kudo's to the Ref's, some minor discussions from both benches but nothing to affect the outcome that I could see.  Marstaller was the only player to foul out.

Last thoughts on this game...Kerr off the bench was a big factor (no pun intended) and from my experience The Pit is the only TCCC crowd I've seen which might be considered a "6th" man.  Well organized, not obscene, they know the game and they're loud.  Nice work!   Unfortunately I agree with Gullfan regarding a few in the Curry crowd, CC needs more staff in the close quarters bleachers with eject authority.

PB played like a POY.  Even shadowed as he was all night, he was masterful.  I don't think there is another player in TCCC who could score 29 with the attention he got last night.

Back to lurking...Out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: witfan on February 27, 2008, 03:14:39 PM
The percentage difference in 3's was not as bad a Scout mentions,

you're right...
again, i was doing my best to recall from memory...
WIT was 1-7 from three in the second half, so i probably confused things...

i'm surprised i forgot SPB draining like 4-5 threes in the first half off of a quick screen... it was a beautiful thing to watch... but scary for the pit...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2008, 04:10:27 PM
Prezzie-Blue finishes his outstanding career with 1,781 points, 288 assists, 165 steals, and 195 3-pointers made.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 27, 2008, 04:24:26 PM
I love this time of the season.  There is a lot of input.  Why is there not as much activity during the regular season. 

Any thoughts on tomorrow.

GC over RW
WNEC over CC  (this is more of a deam/I would like to see GC get a home game for the championship)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 04:29:44 PM
i love all the input as well...
the more the better...

i'm going to wait to make my predictions until tonight or tomorrow afternoon...
let things settle a bit...

a few more points on Prezzie-Blue, as he deserves all the attention he can get...
he had one of the most impressive careers in the CCC in memory...
he carried his team on his back so many times and is a man of class...
best of luck to him in whatever future pursuits he encounters...
(there is a rumor that he might play in Ireland or England next year)

SPB... Here's to you!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 27, 2008, 04:31:51 PM
He sure has had a great career but it does not even come close to Andrew St Clair out of CSC.  He was dominate in every area of the game.  I also heard that he played in Italy.  Not 100% sure of that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2008, 04:39:59 PM
Prezzie-Blue would have driven right past Andrew St. Clair and gotten the and 1 call
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
In the 2004-5 and 2005-6 seasons, they did play against each other...
Can't find stats though...

No biggie...
Two amazing basketball players...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 27, 2008, 05:01:39 PM
And St Clair would have backed PB down and Dunked on him everytime.  My point was geared more towards toatl dominance in the CCC:

Career stats:
2043 points - more than PB
1007 rebounds - more than PB
206 steals - more than PB
142 blocks - more than PB
I could not see an assists stat so I can not compare.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2008, 05:06:07 PM
One would imagine that St. Clair had more rebounds and blocks than Prezzie-Blue since he was a center.  But Prezzie-Blue can take over a game a little more effectively than St. Clair since he is a point guard.  Not to say St. Clair wasn't great and not dominant.  But he needed Colin Bray or whomever to pass him the rock.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 27, 2008, 05:50:16 PM
By that same logic, shouldn't PB have more steals?  and more points?  In both cases St Clair have must better career numbers!  No one could stop him any of the four years he played.


And for the record, I am not a CSC fan.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 27, 2008, 05:51:03 PM
And furthermore lets get back to this year.  There are only two more days of games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: akirk on February 27, 2008, 05:51:03 PM
And furthermore lets get back to this year.  There are only two more days of games.

seconded...

My first prediction...

WNEC tops Curry to move to the championship...

And here are four reasons why...

1) Asif Abdul-Wadud will hold Tim Jones to a maximum of 15 points. The Defensive Player of the Year will shadow him the entire game.
2) WNEC has the ability to shut down teams as a whole, forcing bad shots and out-rebounding opposing squads. I see Jones getting 15 (again, at most), Mastrullo and Bowers putting up 15 apiece and the rest of the team not doing much at all.
3) Kyle Fredette is hot. He put up 22 (i think) against UNE last night and he will do so again tomorrow. Another 20+ night from him with Maynard and Bayne rounding out the leading scorers for WNEC.
4) Curry is a rollercoaster team. They've been hot for a while, but seem to have reached their crest.

For those reasons, WNEC 72 - Curry 63
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 27, 2008, 06:16:59 PM
5. Curry's gym should not be responsible for hosting a championship game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 27, 2008, 06:54:40 PM
just want to point out Andrew St. Clair did play professional basketball after he finished his outstanding career at CSC, he played for the Northampton Neptunes in Northampton, England.

also the career that St. Clair had is uncomparable....

SPB has had a great career as well, but what St. Clair did was far more impressive in my mind
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 27, 2008, 08:09:06 PM
Two phenomonal players no doubt.

St Clair has the clear advantage in stats and was the best big man I've ever seen in this conference.

I will give SPB the edge in what he acomplished with what he had around him...(though no fault of his own) Saint Clair had Colin Bray, James Thorpe, Condon, etc etc etc around him on very very good teams. SPB basically took a team consisting of one other all league type and a bunch of role players to the NCAA Tournament last year. Two great players and I will miss seeing SPB play just as I miss seeing St. Clair
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2008, 08:46:39 PM
Well Wentworth might get lucky with an ECAC bid, so it might not be the last of Prezzie-Blue.  But ever since his freshman year, every team he went up against had their defense strictly geared to stop him.  He was able to persevere over that and do more for his team than anyone in a while.  And one player did take his team to the NCAA's
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 27, 2008, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: scout on February 27, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
In the 2004-5 and 2005-6 seasons, they did play against each other...
Can't find stats though...

No biggie...
Two amazing basketball players...

http://www.wit.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0405/TEAMSTAT.HTM (http://www.wit.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0405/TEAMSTAT.HTM)
http://www.wit.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0506/TEAMSTAT.HTM (http://www.wit.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0506/TEAMSTAT.HTM)

Congrats to Gordon on a great win last night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan55 on February 27, 2008, 09:29:58 PM
Anybody putting a list of players up who got snubbed from an all-conference consideration?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2008, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: bballfan55 on February 27, 2008, 09:29:58 PM
Anybody putting a list of players up who got snubbed from an all-conference consideration?

that list would be long and distinguished...
every team could argue two or three players that deserve to be there...

anyone else have predictions about tomorrow?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2008, 10:15:29 PM

Did I see someone trying to claim PB&J was the best player in conference history?


Wow.  That's either incredible dedication to one's school or a complete ignorance of history.


He's a decent ballplayer, but is severely limited when it comes to versatility.  He didn't really blossom until they brought in a PG good enough to move him over to the two.  He's a terrific guard and one of the best in the conference now, but the level of play has been down the past few years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2008, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 27, 2008, 10:15:29 PM

Did I see someone trying to claim PB&J was the best player in conference history?


Wow.  That's either incredible dedication to one's school or a complete ignorance of history.


He's a decent ballplayer, but is severely limited when it comes to versatility.  He didn't really blossom until they brought in a PG good enough to move him over to the two.  He's a terrific guard and one of the best in the conference now, but the level of play has been down the past few years.

Do you follow your history?  He won Rookie of the Year on a team that had only one other good player, honorable mention, then back to back 1st team selections.  Not to a mention a Player of the Year award while a junior and some could argue that he could have won it this year (although he wouldn't have been the best pick).  Where did he fall off?  Was it when his team lost in the NCAA tourney?  Or when he scored 29 points in his last game?  I'm not saying that he's the best player in conference history by any means.  And as in terms of versatility, he's a little better than the average defender and does anything his team asks him to.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: getouttahere on February 28, 2008, 01:01:24 AM
Why is everybody doubting Curry?  They are the #1 seed again an people still don't give them credit when its due! Ummm "Scout"!!!  I wonder do any of you even play Basketball or understand the game, yall are all talkin nonsense. 

Yea Curry lose to Endicott by 8 was the prediction and they won by 10
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 28, 2008, 07:42:10 AM
Quote from: getouttahere on February 28, 2008, 01:01:24 AM
I wonder do any of you even play Basketball or understand the game, yall are all talkin nonsense. 

Yea Curry lose to Endicott by 8 was the prediction and they won by 10

first of all... i do not doubt curry... they went 11-2 in conference, that is certainly worth something...

second, yes, i do understand basketball and the game... or else i wouldn't be here...

most importantly, i did not pick Endicott to outright WIN the game...
if you know anything about spreads, the point is to pick who will cover the spread... when i said Endicott (+8), that means that Curry was favored by eight points and I thought that Endicott would hold it closer than that... not necessarily win...

Curry could win on Saturday... I just don't think they will...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 28, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
It's not that we don't thing Curry is a good team.  The point is resent history doesn't seem to be on there side.  Curry over the past few years has imploded when push comes to shove. 

As for me, I noted that I wanted WNEC to win so Gordon would have the home game if they win tonight.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on February 28, 2008, 08:53:27 AM
I don't think you can just single out Curry if you're going to talk about people picking against higher seeds. If you look at the breakdown of who picked who, it was pretty much split down the middle, and of all the games, Curry was given the best chance. The picks weren't split because Curry, Roger Williams, Gordon and WNEC were being disrespected -- I think everyone made it clear that this has been an up and down year for teams in TCCC. Curry was #1, but lost to the three and four seeds during the season; RWU lost to Endicott,; Gordon got beat by UNE, CSC, and ENC; and so on.

So to say that Curry could lose in the first round wasn't a stretch -- just a continuation of the type of basketball that's been played in the league all year, and the same will be true for tonight. Curry and Roger Williams are going to have the edge, because when things are so evenly matched, home court is a big deal. But don't be surprised either if the championship comes down to GC/WNEC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AJ on February 28, 2008, 09:46:40 AM
QuoteDo you follow your history?

Wow, what is the board getting to these days when people are calling out Hoopsfan about CCC history?

Come on, PB & J was a very good player but it is stretch to say he was better then St. Clair. 

Tonights games should be interesting, I feel all 4 remaining teams could easily win it all.  I like WNEC and Gordon pulling the upsets. 

I'm not a huge fan of Gordon on the road but I like the senior trio combined with Trigg's offense and Derr becoming a force of the bench.  I think the game will come down to the last 2 minutes. 

For WNEC its already been said, but I think their D carries them during this game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 28, 2008, 10:44:25 AM
Also, Hoops Fan, certainly not going to attack you, but as someone who has seen Wentworth a couple times the last few years, SPB plays the 1, he's never played the 2 for them. He came in an as a 1 he left as a 1. A scoring 1 no doubt, but he doesn't play the 2.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: oldschoolfan on February 28, 2008, 12:49:07 PM
Long time reader, first time responder.

Gullfan said it all about the EC-Curry game.  The officials were BRUTAL!  This year has seen some bad officiating at a number of games.

Dwebbs is correct - Curry's gym should NOT host a championship game.  The lighting is terrible, it's too small, and the crowd actually gets physical.

Have enjoyed all the banter.  Here's to a great end to TCCC this year!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 28, 2008, 02:04:57 PM
The Championship Game in the Curry gym last year was a blast! The fans are right on top of the action, people were turned away at the door, people were standing 4 deep around the court, it was high intensity and a lot of fun. Sure the bigger cleaner better lit games are fine too, but why not have a real crazy atmosphere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 28, 2008, 02:21:16 PM
when the goal of the CCC is to become a better conference...
more prestigious, more representative of an upper echelon type of conference...

there should be no more championship games in a gym like Curry's...

Endicott, certainly Gordon or RWU...
These are the best courts in the conference...

i am going to take Gordon in the other game tonight...
Trigg can hit from anywhere and if anyone has seen him play, he can drive it and pick up a foul or kick it out to bajema or derr as well...

but what will win tonight's game will not be the offense, but Gordon's defense...
Gordon shut down WIT in the post and it was a good tuneup for when they see Barranger tonight...

final score... Gordon 68 - RWU 65
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2008, 05:55:00 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 27, 2008, 10:40:25 PM
Where did he fall off?

I didn't mean his play fell off, but that the conference as a whole is not as good as it has been in the past and it would therefore be tough to compare players, even very good ones.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2008, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 28, 2008, 10:44:25 AM
Also, Hoops Fan, certainly not going to attack you, but as someone who has seen Wentworth a couple times the last few years, SPB plays the 1, he's never played the 2 for them. He came in an as a 1 he left as a 1. A scoring 1 no doubt, but he doesn't play the 2.

OK, so they have a 1 who scores and a 2 who passes.  Kinda hard to define those positions when we switch all the criteria up.  The old numbers might not be the best way to describe the positions anymore since we all have different understandings of what they mean.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 28, 2008, 05:58:43 PM
Hoops...
Any thoughts on tonights games?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2008, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: scout on February 28, 2008, 05:58:43 PM
Hoops...
Any thoughts on tonights games?

I've been so out of the loop this year, my thoughts aren't worth much of anything.  Once the rosters came out at the beginning of the season, it looked to me like RWU and Curry were the cream of the crop.  I doubted for a while during the season, but they seem to have survived thus far.

I think both home teams win, but you couldn't call either one of them losing a huge upset either.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 28, 2008, 08:40:41 PM
Roger Williams 67- Gordon 66

Congrats to RWU for finally making some noise in the playoffs.  And surprise Gordon loses again in the second round as they were not able to execute much down the stretch.  Not sure who won the WNEC/Curry game yet.  Basically too much Baranger tonight for Roger Williams and Ryan McGinn having an amazing night.  Another congrats to the seniors from Gordon for their final CCC game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 28, 2008, 08:41:42 PM
Curry 75, WNEC 67

1 v 2 for the championship.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 28, 2008, 08:54:33 PM
Thank Bill for the update.

A great 1 v 2 match-up for the championship.  Curry gets another championship shot after losing last year.  Great match-ups all around.  Bowers vs Baranger, RWU guards vs Tim Jones.  Good benches and role players on both sides.  Should be an entertaining game for the championship.

Curry by 5
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on February 28, 2008, 08:56:50 PM
Roger Williams by 8
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: getouttahere on February 29, 2008, 12:11:26 AM
Curry once again pulls out a win when people thought they were done!  Now we will really see if he is player of the year when he goes up against Bowers again, especially when he shut him down earlier in the season, O and by the way who is gonna stop Tim Jones from droppin 30 and Marvin from gettin 15 rebounds and 5 blocks, def not the POY!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 29, 2008, 08:51:35 AM
I agree, there is no way that he can guard Tim Jones and Marvin Lamarre at the same time.  Good call.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan55 on February 29, 2008, 01:03:52 PM
Curry is proving that you cannot stop Jones, Bowers and Mastrullo during an entire game. If you double Bowers like WNEC tried to do, Mastrullo is going to kill you like hes been doing through the entire tournament. Jones can take anyone off the dribble and their supporting cast is much better than advertised.  Watching Lamarre play in person is an absolute treat. He is Ben Wallace of the CCC. Too much fire power for Curry... they will win by 7.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 29, 2008, 02:56:27 PM
Good Luck to both teams tomorrow.  I hope it turns out to be a good close game. 

I will talk to all of you next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: TTP14 on February 29, 2008, 08:02:13 PM
So curry proves everyone wrong again, two years in a row finished at #1. They play a different game so everyone disregards their true talent level. I want to know this, how does a team that the league picks to finish sixth finish 1st and they don't get coach of the year and have two players who should have split POY. Don't get me wrong Jones attitude was a rollercoaster but a few games doesn't disregarded a full season. Now Bowers has played consistent and avg. a double double? I mean I think it has more to do with there style of play then anything. The POY avg 6 boards and 15 points at 6'11, so I guess that's what D3 basketball comes down too? To throw this out there Jones had more steals then the defensive player of the year? All I wanted to say is that there is many good teams in the CCC don't get me wrong but stop downing  teams when your facts aren't straight. Curry doesn't only depend on Jones as you can see when he scored only 3 they won and 15 they won. They don't need Jones to win, if people don't know, Jones dislocated his shoulder in the 1st 5mins of the EC regular season game says a lot about the senior.     
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 29, 2008, 08:11:52 PM
Everyone jump on the Curry bandwagon quick
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan55 on March 01, 2008, 10:29:42 AM
Does anyone know where the winner of CC and RW travels to play in the NCAA.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 01, 2008, 11:03:04 AM
Pairings won't come out until monday morning, it could be somewhere close and logical like Amherst or UMD or it could be somewhere in upstate NY, you never know
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2008, 12:26:00 PM

A lot will depend on how the other conference tournaments go.  We'll have to see what teams from nearby regions get in.

The last couple years, when I followed things a lot more closely, it was fun to set up likely brackets, but it's just so difficult because they don't go entirely by any sort of seeding.  They begin there, but move teams around because of travel restrictions, etc.

We'll know more as the weekend unfolds.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 01, 2008, 08:33:57 PM
Curry defeats Roger Williams for the CCC championship 83-65
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: newenglandball on March 01, 2008, 10:46:14 PM
yikes a blow out
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 01, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
Correction :  Curry 83 - Roger Williams 66

For RWU, Barranger led the way with 22 points and 9 boards.  Barrett came off the bench with 13 pts and Bashaw and Camobreco each had 10 pts.  Dan Gumb was scoreless as he was unable to get into any rhythm.

For Curry, Bowers led all scores with 29 points and 11 boards.  Jones was relatively quiet with 12 points and 6 assists.  Marstrullo stepped up with 19 points and 4 boards. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2008, 11:02:49 PM

There seems to be a lot of pretty low-level teams winning AQs in the NE/E/Atl/MidAtl regions.  I think there's a good shot Curry stays close to home for the first round.  Rhode Island College, maybe?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on March 02, 2008, 04:06:51 PM
Congrats to Curry.  Hopefully they will represent TCCC well in the big dance!


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: TTP14 on March 02, 2008, 05:08:21 PM
Wow, it was a blow out not what everyone expected? I guess they proved history wrong. Was anyone at the game?

I thought it was going to be a close one at first then RWU was no contest for the fast past game of CC. CC role players came up huge and both centers had a battle but only one came out on top all around. Hey for the coach of the year he showed some real class when he yelled at the clock lady with 44 seconds left and down almost 20.

How about Jones not living up to his ability in the big show? Guess that's why role players are huge. The two big men for CC changed the game and the guards was way to much for RWU to handle. For closing hope next year we get a better game in a better gym, nothing wrong with getting on the bandwagon, they won!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on March 02, 2008, 05:13:46 PM
Hopefully Curry's "fast past" style of play will lead them to a win or two in the tournament.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan55 on March 02, 2008, 08:55:35 PM
I wouldn't consider Mark Mastrullo a role player any longer! With Prezzie gone he will be the best point in the league next year. Although he better enjoy it this year... he won't have anyone to pass to next year!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 02, 2008, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: bballfan55 on March 02, 2008, 08:55:35 PM
I wouldn't consider Mark Mastrullo a role player any longer! With Prezzie gone he will be the best point in the league next year. Although he better enjoy it this year... he won't have anyone to pass to next year!!

I'd say that's a fair assessment.  Maybe Gordon moves Trigg over to the point since he has handled the ball at times during the season and puts Bajema at the #2 since Kaufman is gone.  If Trigg becomes the new point, then I'd say it's a tie between Marstrullo and Trigg for best PG.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: TTP14 on March 03, 2008, 12:42:32 AM
I agree Mark isn't a role player he is a true point with great scoring ability and one of the keys to CC 11 game streak that ended with a championship, he is a great player and will only get better
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 03, 2008, 08:06:12 AM
Someday,

maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but some day,  Ballfan is going to post about something other than Mark Mastrullo and it will be an exciting day for everyone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on March 03, 2008, 08:42:14 AM
Quote from: backboard on March 02, 2008, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: bballfan55 on March 02, 2008, 08:55:35 PM
I wouldn't consider Mark Mastrullo a role player any longer! With Prezzie gone he will be the best point in the league next year. Although he better enjoy it this year... he won't have anyone to pass to next year!!

I'd say that's a fair assessment.  Maybe Gordon moves Trigg over to the point since he has handled the ball at times during the season and puts Bajema at the #2 since Kaufman is gone.  If Trigg becomes the new point, then I'd say it's a tie between Marstrullo and Trigg for best PG.

If Doyle takes over at the point for Prezzie-Blue then he needs to be mentioned in this discussion as well. WIT does have a couple guys who could bring it up, Brad Bryant and Keenan Burke-Pitts for instance. So Doyle could stay at the 2. But if he does move to the point it will be his first time at his natural position since high school, where he got 1st team all state in CT at poing guard.   

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 03, 2008, 12:53:24 PM
Curry is to play Bowdoin in the tourney
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bigman on campus on March 03, 2008, 12:55:49 PM
where do they play at
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 03, 2008, 01:01:03 PM
It's at Brandeis
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2008, 01:35:14 PM
Quote from: backboard on March 03, 2008, 12:53:24 PM
Curry is to play Bowdoin in the tourney

Bowdoin is the better team, but Curry couldn't have asked for a much better match-up.  They'll have to play well, but they could have drawn worse.

Let's see if the CCC can finally win an NCAA game (I know we've won in the past, but it was the mid 90's).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 03, 2008, 02:42:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 03, 2008, 01:35:14 PMLet's see if the CCC can finally win an NCAA game (I know we've won in the past, but it was the mid 90's).

It's been a rough few years...
Especially getting blownout by St. John's Fisher by 26 last year...

Gordon came close against Utica two years ago, losing 71-66 (free throws extended the lead late)...

That same year, Endicott got blown out by 23 points against Tufts...

Curry did pick up a good matchup...
I'd love to see them win...
I just don't hold out much hope against a much-tested Bowdoin...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2008, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: scout on March 03, 2008, 02:42:35 PM

I just don't hold out much hope against a much-tested Bowdoin...

I don't know; if they're looking ahead to Brandeis, CC might have a shot.  Still the line is probably 20 points right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 03, 2008, 09:27:51 PM
UNE earns an ECAC bid as the #8 seed and will travel to #1 Emerson (24-4) on Wednesday
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 04, 2008, 09:03:14 AM
i took a look at the ECAC bid information yesterday...
only four teams declared themselves eligible for the ECACs from TCCC...

Endicott, UNE, NEC, and i believe the last one was CSC...

I know that the talent level of the ECACs has decreased significantly over the years since the NESCAC teams began being eligible for the national tourney...

And I think I could come up with a few other reasons why TCCC teams wouldn't participate in the ECACS, but are there any official reasons why teams like Roger Williams, Gordon, etc. would not participate in the ECACs?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 04, 2008, 09:39:22 AM
I agree, it would have been nice to see more TCCC team participate in the ECAC's.  Certainly RWU and Gordon would have been nice.  Even WIT and Endicott could have played.  Let's just hope UNE and Curry make the CCC look good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on March 04, 2008, 10:31:36 AM
From what I understand Gordon decided to stop participating in the ECAC because of they wanted to start focusing on the BIG dance and the membership dues were high.  They dropped out of the ECAC across all sports.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2008, 11:30:25 AM

With the ECAC bid comes no compensation for travel or expenses like you get with the NCAAs.  A lot of teams don't want the extra headache or a few more meaningless games.  The only way it makes sense in my view is if you have a lot of young guys coming back who could use some time playing together in real games.

I suspect the CCC would have had more teams in, had more teams been willing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NEballer on March 04, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
I'm just curious if anyone knew the farthest a CCC team has gone in the tourney? I know AMC in 1996 went to the round of 16. I actually had the pleasure of watching that team albeit at a very young age. I don't think anyone has made it past that round but I could be wrong. I didn't know if any of those very good CSC teams from a few years ago went deep into the tourney.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on March 04, 2008, 01:08:39 PM
Congrats to Curry College and coach Malcolm Wynn, who deserved Coach of the Year.  I like their chances against a solid Bowdoin team.

Hopefully UNE will have a good showing at Emerson tomorrow night, this is a great opportunity for the returning players to gain some post season experience in a tough environment.   

I once got a 36 point word playing my favorite board game...tabble.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on March 04, 2008, 02:17:08 PM
Gordon pulled out of the ECAC championships a number of years ago due to the fact that there was no reimbursement for playing in these games, and as Hoops Fan says, they really are meaningless.  We still pay dues because we need to belong to the ECAC for assingment of officials in some sports.  It was expensive to play games that no one cared about.

Neither our coaches or players have missed the ECAC championships at all.  Each to his/her own. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2008, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: NEballer on March 04, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
I'm just curious if anyone knew the farthest a CCC team has gone in the tourney? I know AMC in 1996 went to the round of 16. I actually had the pleasure of watching that team albeit at a very young age. I don't think anyone has made it past that round but I could be wrong. I didn't know if any of those very good CSC teams from a few years ago went deep into the tourney.

I think that's the last time a CCC team won a game in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: TTP14 on March 05, 2008, 10:06:47 AM
Bowdoin is a very solid team and I think Curry will have there hands full, Bowdoin is a very defensive oriented team. Curry couldn't have gotten a better draw and a better location for there 1st game, they have played there before. On  another note Curry is playing great and has been playing well. I don't think they have reached there peak so I smell a big upset, did you see that Bowdoin only beat UNE by 6 and lost to Trinity by almost 20 after beating the #1. I don't know seems a little shaky going into playoffs. For the ECAC yea more teams should have entered but they didn't and I think playing in the ECAC is just to see what you have coming back next year not to make a statement.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2008, 10:35:57 AM


A talented Curry team has let me down in big spots as I've picked them over the last few years.  I like that Tim Jones is actually on the floor, but Bowers has disappeared in games where he's been challenged by big bodies.  He showed some fight against Barranger, so maybe he's overcome the weakness.  I don't expect to see an upset, but I'll be rooting for one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: getouttahere on March 05, 2008, 01:55:15 PM
Ummm for one there has only been one big body that Bowers has went up against and thats from Roger W.  so how could he have had down games when he's averaging a double double!  Please pay attention before making stupid statements!

I see Curry Going at least to the sweet 16, they have a good chance at making some noise in the big dance!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 05, 2008, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: getouttahere on March 05, 2008, 01:55:15 PM
Ummm for one there has only been one big body that Bowers has went up against and thats from Roger W.  so how could he have had down games when he's averaging a double double!  Please pay attention before making stupid statements!

I see Curry Going at least to the sweet 16, they have a good chance at making some noise in the big dance!


Talk about stupid statements.  Curry to the sweet 16?  That's dreaming for you
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on March 05, 2008, 04:31:09 PM
I don't know how Bowers did last year but he was was up and down against good bigs this year.  He was very good against RWU but went 4-15 against Russ Martin from Trinity.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: getouttahere on March 05, 2008, 04:48:26 PM
Honestly Bowers hasn't played anybody big so thats not a good statement and everyone has doubted Curry to win anything and they proved everybody wrong with that so i guess we will have to see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: getouttahere on March 05, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
O yea that game I believe Bowers dunked on Russ on a out of bounds play, Soft I don't know!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 05, 2008, 05:14:37 PM
Who?  We could be here for a while talking about who dunked on who off of which play, but there's no point in that.  The bottom line is that Bowers is a very good CCC player and I fully expect him to hold his own against Bowdoin and certainly do some damage.  Curry has a good offensive threat when Jones, Marstrullo, and Bowers are playing well.  It should be a good game if they decide to play defense and rebound too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2008, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: getouttahere on March 05, 2008, 04:48:26 PM
Honestly Bowers hasn't played anybody big so thats not a good statement and everyone has doubted Curry to win anything and they proved everybody wrong with that so i guess we will have to see.

How can you know what my definition of "big body" is?  He's played against guys who rival his size and its only been the last couple games that he's done well.  You're right, he hasn't played a lot of big guys this year, but that doesn't remove his performance from last season.  Barranger isn't exactly the best example of a big guy, just because he's big.

I don't doubt that Bowers has improved; I was just saying he hasn't had a chance to prove it against a legit big body yet this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on March 05, 2008, 09:52:10 PM
WOW...just in from ECAC
#8 UNE beats Emerson in overtime
Way to Go :D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on March 05, 2008, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: scout on March 04, 2008, 09:03:14 AM
i took a look at the ECAC bid information yesterday...
only four teams declared themselves eligible for the ECACs from TCCC...

Endicott, UNE, NEC, and i believe the last one was CSC...

I know that the talent level of the ECACs has decreased significantly over the years since the NESCAC teams began being eligible for the national tourney...

And I think I could come up with a few other reasons why TCCC teams wouldn't participate in the ECACS, but are there any official reasons why teams like Roger Williams, Gordon, etc. would not participate in the ECACs?
Wentworth did declare for the ECAC's, but was not selected.  Colby-Sawyer withdrew itself from consideration prior to the deadline of last Friday.  Endicott and NEC (I am not sure if they even declared) were ineligible, as they were under .500.

Different schools have different reasons for declaring or not.  As has been stated, it's a pay as you go tournament with no reimbursement, so obviously money plays a huge factor.  From our standpoint (in all sports), we're pretty sure that the stars and planets have to be perfectly aligned for us to receive an at-large bid to the NCAA's.  Therefore we view the ECAC's as another opportunity for our kids to compete and our coaches are on board with wanting to.  The first time a team from Wentworth ever went to the ECAC's was in baseball in 1995.  They were seeded eighth and beat top-seeded Amherst (obviously this was when the NESCAC schools competed in it).  This past year our men's soccer team lost in TCCC finals, was the #3 seed in the ECAC's and made it to the finals before losing 2-1 to a very good Norwich team.

I personally don't think they are "meaningless" games but clearly the ECAC Tournament definitely is not what it used to be.  But you can't force a team to declare and compete in it.  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on March 05, 2008, 10:05:18 PM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on March 05, 2008, 09:52:10 PM
WOW...just in from ECAC
#8 UNE beats Emerson in overtime
Way to Go :D
104-99

Emerson hit a 30-foot three with six seconds left to force OT.

Jefferson had 41.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on March 05, 2008, 10:25:28 PM
UNE with a huge win!  Tried to make it known that they were for real on this board.
It is too bad that the game doesn't matter to anyone though....according to an earlier post. 

Great win UNE!

Jefferson scored 43 points in the game.

Putskies on tabble.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on March 06, 2008, 01:03:26 PM
Other than UNE I believe WIT was the only other TCCC to declare for the ECAC's.  Too bad they weren't selected I would have loved to see a tie breaker WIT/UNE matchup.  But I can't complain since I'm sure WIT's early loss to Husson, the 1pt loss to Newbury and the lower ranking to UNE were determining factors.  It appears to me that the selection spread the wealth to numerous local conferences, as it should.

My opinion is that the ECAC's are not only meaningful but also useful.  Meaningful in the sense of local bragging rights similar to the Beanpot Tourney.  What the ECAC tournament needs is some better marketing and better NE support from quality teams.  Useful in the respect that bubble teams get some late season tournament experience.  There is no other way to teach late season, big game, single elimination performance.  Hopefully, this experience would translate into better NCAA success from a Cinderella.

UNE and Curry are representing TCCC very well and I for one think that Curry has the talent to compete in the NCAA's and they definitely have the potential to get past an erratic (and overconfident?) Bowdoin.

UNE should win the ECAC.  I bet this tournament is meaningful to them since otherwise their season was over on a negative note (game where Jerfferson sat).  ECAC Champions might even sway a recruit?  My vote...Meaningful.

The only downside to TCCC tournament wins...reading more bad Tab jokes.  Come back Jim Rome!

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2008, 04:35:15 PM
Quote from: witfan on March 06, 2008, 01:03:26 PM
Come back Jim Rome!


Oh God no.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2008, 04:36:35 PM
Quote from: witfan on March 06, 2008, 01:03:26 PM
There is no other way to teach late season, big game, single elimination performance.  Hopefully, this experience would translate into better NCAA success from a Cinderella.


Which is why Senior laden teams don't see much value in it.  Honestly, if the ECAC wants to have an impact, let them organize one of those "unofficial" summer leagues.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on March 06, 2008, 05:06:29 PM
My only argument to the "senior laden" reasoning to not attend a EOY tournament is that a coach could use the experience to educate the younger players and hopefully honor the Seniors by giving them one more chance to excel.  Wonder why CSC dropped out, no seniors on the team!

And a good younger player would see how to, or how not to, prepare for a big game.  More ball is good ball!


As an aside I heard about an airline some folks on this site (or other related sites) might be interested in.  It is called Sky Bus, it flys out of the old Pease Air Force Base in New Hampshire (Newington).  The flights are cheap.  Why might some ballers be interested?  Because they fly into Greensboro, NC which is looks to be less  than a 2 hour drive from Salem, VA the site of the NCAA divIII finals.  The rates were really low a few weeks ago ($40 one-way) I'm not sure what they are now, may be too late?  This is not an endorsement, I haven't tried this service yet but it seems intriguing. find it at   skybus.com 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan48 on March 06, 2008, 05:07:36 PM
I wouldn't sleep on this curry team.... This team is one of the most under rated teams ive seen...... People have doubted this team all year and they always seem to prove people wrong

They have all the pieces to make noise in the big dance....Bowers is the best big man in the TCCC by far and got robbed of the player of the year.... and the back court of Jones and mastrulo is a deadily combo....... I think Curry is going to make some noise in this tourney and If im wrong I'm wrong but I have faith

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gullfan on March 06, 2008, 06:54:30 PM
  Not for nothing, but could the reason Bowers is the best big man in TCCC be at least partially because he graduated from High school in 2k? Most seniors were class of '04. With a body like his - 4 years really canm make the difference between "men against boys"!!! I like his game, but that seems like quite an advantage.
  I wish Curry luck, I want the TCCC to do well. I'll be following it from out here in the land of alfalfa sprouts! Gawd, could somebody please fed ex some wings and a "Nick's RB"!!!!! Don't think the Dodgers will fix my jonesing for the Sox either! Keep in touch all you posters.  Miss ya already!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on March 07, 2008, 08:26:36 AM
*welcome to the jungle*

Clones what is up....back on the air for the year in review CCC breakdown....ERRRRRR the TCCC breakdown.

Maclom Wynn finally racks himself a TCCC championship....good to see. They straight up layed the wood to the Hawks in the finals and were the best team in the league down the stretch- best of luck to them tonight  against the polar bears.....I'm not seeing it.

Secondly the ECAC- not sure beating a disappointed Emerson team makes you "legit" generally "legit" teams don't have their leading scorer suspended for playoff games...it's good to see a comptetive team in Maine but if you're going to get bounced out of games....and forfeit wins (see link) http://athletics.une.edu/schedules.asp?path=mbball The I'm not sure you are in fact "legit" ...enjoy the warm season August 5th and 6th.

As for the ECAC in general. Sure it's the northeast version of the NIT but why not play more basketball if you can. Then again the all mighty dollar does rule much of collegiate athletics even our cute little conference here.

...In other news Hoops Fan apparently is not a fan of Van Smack. Which is too bad, I'd like to extend an olive branch to the old sage of the board... Even with his far less frequent posts this year I will take 100 Hoops Fan's recaps over bad Tab puns and 15 random newly registered Curry posters that want to talk about Mark Mastrullo....Hoops Fan keep on trucking and we'll agree to disagree about my relative  merits as a poster.....rack it.

As for WITFAN....don't think your patronizing request means I'm going to go easy on the Leopards...They underachieved   big time this year and with SPB heading out the door they are going to need to figure something out pronto if they want to be back in the TCCC Tournament come next year.....

...Gordon is also pillaged by graduation. All of their viable post players are gone as is their quarterback for the last 4 years. I'm sure they'll bring in some guys, but you don't just lose a 4 year starting point guard and not have a drop off.

....RWU loses its post prescense as well with Barranger and Gumb checking out.

Colby-Sawyer has to be the early favorite looking ahead to 08-09 they have literally everyone on their roster back and were a tough out this year.

Lastly a heartfelt "late" to one of the better senior classes I've seen in this league. Jones, Blue, Barranger, Gumb, Jaziri, Vallee, and Lammare in particular had solid careers in this league and will be missed down the road.

We'll be back after the break with an interview with Nejmanja Markinovic....

out
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Put_It_On_My_Tab on March 07, 2008, 11:24:26 AM
Why did someone ask that guy to post?  If a breakdown of the league is to be made it should come from only people who have actually played organized basketball before......you know, the kind with officials and uniforms. 

That was also nice of him to leave Isaac Stickney off of his senior list.  This is par for the course.....the kid has been a hard nosed player who has competed and at times out played all of the names wannabe rome listed. 

Rome Diggity



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on March 07, 2008, 02:24:48 PM
i dont see how colby-sawyer would be the favorite, after sczeliga (sorry about spelling) the team doesnt really have the 2nd or 3rd options needed to be considered a favorite in my opinion, Now I'm far from a UNE bandwagon guy, I started talking about them very early in the season (go back and look) with Simpson and Jefferson back and the coach more than likely bringing in a couple solid new guys who will be ready to contribute right away, they very well could be the favorites, also I fully expect Endicott to bounce back, they arent losing anything thats overly difficult to replace production wise....they just need to find that consistency they had a few years back
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2008, 05:09:09 PM
Quote from: Jim Rome Of The CCC on March 07, 2008, 08:26:36 AMClones what is up....back on the air for the year in review CCC breakdown....ERRRRRR the TCCC breakdown. 

The 'T' stands for "the," so using a "the" before "TCCC" is just redundant.  Thanks for the support, but the Tab is kinda growing on me.  By the way, it's nothing personal with you, I just abhor the real Jim Rome, so you picked a bad pseudonym from my perspective.

Here's my wild prediction for 2008-2009: IF (and it's a big if) they keep the players from the current roster, AMC sneaks into TCCC playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on March 07, 2008, 05:47:51 PM
For Jim Rome
Check out this site for a good explanation for why a legit coach puts winning aside for more important reasons
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=174081&ac=PHspt
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2008, 06:42:46 PM

Curry is getting spanked around.  I'm not sure why we picked this season, of all seasons, to think the CCC had a chance against the NESCAC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 07, 2008, 07:25:54 PM
I'm not sure why all the discussions revolve around only the high scorers.  Basketball takes five players, and some guys do more of the grunt work, which doesn't get recognized by anyone other than basketball junkies.  Some of these players don't get their names in lights, but they will be hard to replace.

Look at the stats when certain teams hold "scorers" to season lows through DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 07, 2008, 10:04:03 PM
Curry gets blasted by Bowdoin...

79-49

one of these years, the parity in TCCC won't knock out the conference's best shot at winning a game in the NCAA tourney...

to think, RWU could've held their own a little better...

and what most people have forgotten...

Gordon beat Plattsburgh St. in New York by 18... Take a look at the bracket and tell me where Plattsburgh St. is listed... Some people have them winning the whole darned thing...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on March 07, 2008, 10:21:34 PM
Fanatic, couldn't agree more with you, the coach did an excellent thing, and I agree with him full on. I'm just saying if you're players can't hold it together enough to not get thrown out of the last game of the season you probably shouldn't be a post season team. I don't blame Mulligan I blame anyone foolish enough to get tossed in a game like that.

And they did forfeit 2 games, I'm just not sure why we're having a parade for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on March 08, 2008, 02:18:32 PM
Thanks Rome,
I'm not looking for a parade but since I'm new to this site, I've been surprised by the lack of normal accolades for the turn around for UNE this year.
They haven't won more than 5 games for a number of years and they've reversed that pattern with a new coach and new players...but it seems like the alums of this site can't say many nice things about them.
I just think that it's a good thing to give credit when it is due.
They are doing a great job of representing the conferennce in the ECAC tournament and people are arguing if it even means anything instead of cheering them on.
Let's get behind all of our conference teams when they have a chance to be in the spotlight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on March 08, 2008, 07:39:45 PM
Congrats to Curry for making the dance...but will someone who was there please talk about how they managed to get beat by 30!  Was Bowdoin just that good or did CC implode?

No matter how anyone feels about the ECAC tourney, UNE is the last team standing for TCCC.  They have my respect, they're playing while the rest are sitting.  Good luck in the Championship and thanks for representing the Conference.  But...you won't be able to surprise anybody next year!

UMD & CG Academy are live video, pretty even so far...mid-1st half
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: bballfan48 on March 08, 2008, 11:08:29 PM
Witfan I was at the game and Bowdin shot amazingly in both halfs... Curry came out very flat and they didn't have that heart and energy that I saw in the conference tourney..... Congrats to UNE on going to the finals as well
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: newenglandball on March 10, 2008, 12:17:03 AM
newbury beat UNE by 14 to win the ECAC tournament
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
Anna Marie is adding football (http://www.d3football.com/) and M&W lacrosse in 2009-10.

Is there any advantage to Anna Marie leaving the TCCC and becoming a full member of the NAC to help the NAC get closer to the four full members needed inthe requirements of an AQ?

Thanks for the answers.
  :)

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2008, 05:06:24 PM

I thought AMC would be a prime candidate to leave the conference, but I doubt they would go to the NAC because of the larger travel disparity.  The CCC schools are really close to each other, even with the addition of WNEC.

AMC has been outclassed in a lot of sports recently and could do with some closer competition.  I just don't see them going to the NAC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on March 10, 2008, 08:58:38 PM
i think ralph meant the necc or whatever that new conference is called
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2008, 11:04:39 PM
Quote from: jamiejohn on March 10, 2008, 08:58:38 PM
i think ralph meant the necc or whatever that new conference is called

I don't think he did.  Ralph is pretty good getting these things right and the NAC, not the NECC is hurting for teams.  They need to get up to seven for the AQ and AMC is a good candidate to go, I just don't think they're all that interested.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 11:22:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 10, 2008, 11:04:39 PM
Quote from: jamiejohn on March 10, 2008, 08:58:38 PM
i think ralph meant the necc or whatever that new conference is called

I don't think he did.  Ralph is pretty good getting these things right and the NAC, not the NECC is hurting for teams.  They need to get up to seven for the AQ and AMC is a good candidate to go, I just don't think they're all that interested.
Thanks...

I meant the North Atlantic Conference, because that conference is sponsoring football.

To earn the AQ in any sport, there must be seven full NCAA members of a conference of which at least four must be "core" members for at least two years.  The conference may accept affiliate members to complete the seven member requirement.

The NJAC has core members of Kean, Montclair State, Rowan, TCNJ  and William Paterson.  Eastern Connecticut State and Cortland State have affiliated to give the NJAC the AQ (especially since JCSU dropped football).

The North Atlantic Conference is the logical one to add football teams to get to the "core-4" members, to which affiliates can get to 7.

(I honestly have trouble keeping the arrangements in the New England straight as the fruit basket turns over.  TCCC will have 6 football playing teams, but already have access to the playoffs via the NEFC.  The NAC schools and the independents that have affiliated thru the NAC have to go thru Pool B until they can get the 4 core and 7 full members.  Pool B is getting harder.  It is the longest of long shots for the New England independents.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on March 11, 2008, 08:40:40 AM
I just dont understand why the would? the nac just got all the ma teams out of the nac why would they bring in a ma school.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: jamiejohn on March 11, 2008, 08:40:40 AM
I just dont understand why the would? the nac just got all the ma teams out of the nac why would they bring in a ma school.
For an AQ in football...

I appreciate the geographical implications that I am hearing in these discussions.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on March 11, 2008, 09:45:46 AM
Ralph,

One thing that you should know about New England is that a drive that would seem like a trip to the corner store where you are is an overnight trip here.  People in Boston talk about driving to western Mass like it is the Lewis & Clark expedition.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2008, 10:50:07 AM
It might be a situation where Anna Maria steps into the NEFC to replace Maine Maritime, which could then play with its NAC brethren in football as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 11, 2008, 07:27:55 PM

Is there any chance that the growing CCC might shoot for its own football AQ eventually?  I honestly don't know anything about d3 football, so that could sound stupid, but I'm guessing AMC adding football and lacrosse (was it?) is more likely to stay in the CCC than leave.

At this point, some of the lower performing schools are probably more worried about getting kicked out than moving to a new conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 11, 2008, 07:27:55 PM

Is there any chance that the growing CCC might shoot for its own football AQ eventually?  I honestly don't know anything about d3 football, so that could sound stupid, but I'm guessing AMC adding football and lacrosse (was it?) is more likely to stay in the CCC than leave.

At this point, some of the lower performing schools are probably more worried about getting kicked out than moving to a new conference.
Actually, I think that this is the way that some fans view this.

The playoffs are stuck at 32 bids and will not expand to 64.  Each conference gets a Pool A bid.  The leftover bids are allocated to Pool B and Pool C.

The independents like Salisbury, Wesley, and Chapman,  the conferences in transition like the SLAIC, the Northern Athletics and conferences that did not have 7 members, like the President AC and the Northwest Conference recently are placed in Pool B.  The number of Pool B bids are determined by dividing the # of teams playing in the 22 Pool A conferences (in 2007) by the number of Pool A conferences.  You can see that 16 teams from the NEFC in that numerator incrementally increases the access ratio.  There were three Pool B bids in 2007, leaving 7 Pool C bids for everyone else.

Any future Pool A bids will come from the allocation to Pool B and C.  IMHO, the best team in the North Atlantic Conference will not be good enough as determined by the Pool B criteria to earn a Pool B bid in most years.  Therefore if I am the conference AD, I work towards getting the Pool A bid.

"Trading an AMC for a Maine Maritime", i.e., arranging a replacement for Maine Maritime to come to the NAC and letting AMC fill that vacancy in the NEFC as Pat Coleman suggested, works towards the NAC getting their Pool A bid.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 04:00:48 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 11, 2008, 07:27:55 PM

Is there any chance that the growing CCC might shoot for its own football AQ eventually?  I honestly don't know anything about d3 football, so that could sound stupid, but I'm guessing AMC adding football and lacrosse (was it?) is more likely to stay in the CCC than leave.

The NEFC would be football only -- other CCC members play football in the NEFC (Nichols, Curry off the top of my head).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 19, 2008, 05:43:08 PM
Here are the seniors leaving the CCC:

Curry ->  Tim Jones, James Bartelle, Loice Williams, , Marvin Lamarre
RWU ->  Ben Camobreco, Dan Gumb, Geoff Baranger
Gordon ->  Justin Kaufman, Keith Krass, Jon Marstaller, Michael Schnackenberg
WNEC ->  Asif Abdul-Wadud, Ryan Hernandez, Jim Bayne, Ronelson Lovaincy
UNE ->  Isaac  Stickney
Wentworth ->  Ed Bolton, Gil Ward, Sherrad Prezzie-Blue
CSC ->  N/A
Endicott ->  Cameron Twiss, Gary Corbett, Todd Burton
Nichols ->  Ron Powers, Eric Foster, Chris Vallee,
Salve->  Chris Goodridge, Quinn O'Brien, Steve Walsh
Regis ->  N/A
Anna Maria ->  Mike Chamblain, Jim Daigneault, Quincy Nunnally, Adam Richards
NEC ->  Ryan Jaziri, Kingsley Onyechi
ENC ->  Luc Jasmin, Jeremy Hueston, Jean-Paul Marcellus, Andrew Brown

If we thought the CCC was weak this year . . .
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 13, 2008, 09:02:13 PM

Don't we have a specific board for this sort of thing?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on July 14, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
This has to be one of the most quiet summers I've seen in a while.  Anyways, the following schools have a preliminary schedule posted on their respective websites:

Wentworth, Gordon, WNEC, UNE, ENC, Nichols, and Salve
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2008, 10:33:44 PM

Well most of the schools have at least returning rosters up now.  I was going to make the rounds and post about strengths of schedule and any big surprises on the rosters so far.  Then I realized that my life became too busy last year and it's gotten to the point where I don't even recognize half the names on the rosters.

I might have to work my way into this season and do some serious homework as games begin.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on October 22, 2008, 10:46:28 AM
I think I'm in the same boat.

It's rough having moved out to the Midwest. There are almost no DIII schools within close to 150 miles from me. So, like you Hoops, I'm going to have to stick to stat sheets, audio (video in the case of Gordon) broadcasts, and the friendly confines of D3Hoops.com

A little under a month to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2008, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: scout on October 22, 2008, 10:46:28 AM
It's rough having moved out to the Midwest. There are almost no DIII schools within close to 150 miles from me.

I've done it for five seasons now.  This should be my last one out here.  Where did you end up?  Are there at least some good road trips nearby?  I enjoyed by trip to Grinnell.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on October 31, 2008, 10:15:07 PM
we're in kansas city, but my wife and I drove by Grinnel on our way here (we made a stop in Illinois).

It's rough, but I have season tickets for KU basketball. Quite a bit different, but still very exciting.

I'll miss the CCC and D3 up-close. As I said, I'll have to keep up as much as I can.

We actually might catch two Gordon games in Minnesota in January. I think they play Northwestern College and someone else, but that'll be fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 06, 2008, 08:02:45 PM
I guess anybody who is anybody has moved out of the NE region. This is absurd. No scrimmage updates? No freshman to watch? No trash talking?

Usually by this time in the year, someone from Roger Williams is making a case that their PG should be First Team All-CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 11, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
The pre-season coaches poll is out:

1.  Colby-Sawyer 181 (5)
2.  University of New England 178 (7)
3.  Roger Williams 161 (2)
4.  Gordon 148
5.  Wentworth 142
6.  Endicott 131
7.  Curry 114
8.  Western New England 111
9.  Nichols 85
10.  Salve Regina 61
11.  Regis 52
12.  Anna Maria 46
13.  Eastern Nazarene 33
14.  New England College 27

I wonder if more than 5 people even read this board anymore . . .
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 11, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
Quote from: backboard on November 11, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
The pre-season coaches poll is out:

1.  Colby-Sawyer 181 (5)
2.  University of New England 178 (7)
3.  Roger Williams 161 (2)
4.  Gordon 148
5.  Wentworth 142
6.  Endicott 131
7.  Curry 114
8.  Western New England 111
9.  Nichols 85
10.  Salve Regina 61
11.  Regis 52
12.  Anna Maria 46
13.  Eastern Nazarene 33
14.  New England College 27

I wonder if more than 5 people even read this board anymore . . .

For what it's worth...I do.  I'm interested in the league, particularly UNE, but don't know enough to comment about any of the teams.  Loved the UNE campus and really liked the previous coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GAMMER on November 11, 2008, 05:45:04 PM
This is my first time on the board. I have followed the UNE coach from his assistant coaching days at Walbash College. One thing I know he can do for sure is recruit. He expects a lot out of his players and himself.
                                                                   Gammer
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on November 11, 2008, 11:29:31 PM
I'm still here and back just in time to see my Chargers get the recognition they deserve!

UNE will be playing pissed off all season and as for their coach, he sure can recruit the D1 kids who can't cut it academically, I will give him that much
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: MEhoopfan on November 12, 2008, 09:15:01 AM
Come check out those pissed off Nor'Easters who play at USM on November 18 at 7:30.  Should be a good game to watch with a lot of people there.  Check out this coupon found at http://www.usm.maine.edu/athletics/basketballfancoupon.pdf, print it off and bring it to the game to be entered into raffles and possibly win an iPod.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: teamajkd on November 12, 2008, 09:35:53 AM
Website dedicated to the game, includes polls and blogs

http://www.freewebs.com/teamajkd/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GAMMER on November 12, 2008, 11:42:24 AM
My charger fan buddy,
You can knock the UNE coach for is recuriting D1 players who you feel do not meet your academic standards. I don't know their grade point average put it must be good enough to play ball. 
This year his recuriting class of 14 freshmen have 9 of those players reciving some sort of academic honors from their highschools.
My original statement was he knows how to recurit. I stand by that statement
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: teamajkd on November 12, 2008, 12:51:12 PM
Check out this vedio I found for USM. ;D
http://www.freewebs.com/teamajkd/usmscaptians.htm
Title: UNE at USM
Post by: Mike10693 on November 12, 2008, 06:16:35 PM
These should be two great games.  We have the women's game first at 5:30 and the mens game will follow.  It is the home opener for the University of Southern Maine.  Be sure to visit this link and click on the coupon (it says 11.18 Fan Coupon) and bring it to the game.  With this coupon you have the chance to win an ipod!!


http://www.usm.maine.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hoopfan03 on November 12, 2008, 07:59:01 PM
I have to give the Nor'easter's coach some credit for this recruiting class, however, we cant praise him too much until these guys show us what they can do on the floor.  Im ready to see these Texans take on a fresh crop of homegrown Southern Maine boys at 7:30 in Hill Gym in Gorham on the 18th.  Should be a fun one to watch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 12, 2008, 09:01:30 PM
Does anyone have any info on any of the other teams in TCCC?  I am looking forward to the season starting again!
Title: Re: UNE at USM
Post by: Mike10693 on November 12, 2008, 10:56:38 PM
Is it true that UNE men's team has a lot of new players from Texas?  What have you all heard about this?  I think the girls game should be very entertaining as well!  USM is always an elite team in women's basketball!
Title: Re: UNE at USM
Post by: carpy13 on November 13, 2008, 11:54:25 AM
come to the USM UNE basketball game on November 18th at 5:30 for the women's and following will be the men's game. print off this coupon and bring it to the game for a chance to win great prizes, including an ipod.
http://usm.maine.edu/athletics/basketballfancoupon.pdf
Title: UNE vs. USM
Post by: usmainebball on November 15, 2008, 10:42:38 AM
This is my first entry, just in time to start talking about the big first game between USM and UNE. For years we have dominated UNE, but now they are stepping it up a notch. Both their mens and womens teams have new coaches and a new roster. The mens teams has pulled up a bunch of guys from texas. One is a monster 6'5". Both schools are really excited about the opening mens and womens games on November 18. My school is offering a coupon for free food and prizes http://www.usm.maine.edu/athletics/ Whats better than free food and watching UNE lose again?!
Title: Re: UNE vs. USM
Post by: teamajkd on November 15, 2008, 07:18:05 PM
Check out this video
http://www.freewebs.com/teamajkd/usmscaptians.htm
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 16, 2008, 11:26:37 AM
Yesterday's games:

Colby-Sawyer 68 - Coast Guard 79
Salve 66 - Alberta Magnus 61
Johnson & Wales 43 - Roger Williams 62
Newbury 70 - Anna Maria 74
Regis 66 - Elms 83
Southern Maine 59 - Wentworth 72
Lesley 40 - Endicott 71
Fisher 92 - New England College 65
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 16, 2008, 01:38:26 PM
Gordon beat ENC  76 - 45

Was anyone at any of the games on Sat.?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 16, 2008, 01:56:13 PM
Congrats to Todd Doyle for reaching the 1000 point milestone
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on November 16, 2008, 08:56:35 PM
Quote from: GAMMER on November 12, 2008, 11:42:24 AM
My charger fan buddy,
You can knock the UNE coach for is recuriting D1 players who you feel do not meet your academic standards. I don't know their grade point average put it must be good enough to play ball. 
This year his recuriting class of 14 freshmen have 9 of those players reciving some sort of academic honors from their highschools.
My original statement was he knows how to recurit. I stand by that statement

wasn't knockin ya Gammer..just talkin' a little smack I gave him props as a recruiter as well
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on November 17, 2008, 09:04:55 AM
Endicott with two big wins to start the season, anyone catch these games, what about southern maine losing two in a row. any reports.

what about Anna Maria beating the ECAC champs, good win for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 17, 2008, 10:39:50 AM
A little late getting my picks in this year... Last year I didn't do a fantastic job again but very few people could have forsaw what happened in the CCC last year. As always I will have my very popular odds for Player of The Year as well.

Ofer Range

14. NEC One of the worst teams of the year last year and they lose Oneychi and Jaziri, could be a long year up in Henniker for the Pilgrims. The British connection of Hennessey and Davies will have to carry the load.

Outside Looking In

13. ENC D'angelo Alston was a bright spot last year and from the looks of their opener with Gordon will continue to be this year. A lot of recruits in the house, but I can't imagine they're ready to run with the big dogs. You know they will play hard though.

12. Salve You don't usually see the Seahawks in this part of the predictions but they have been down for a few years now and lost and some strong guys. I do think Woodworth is one of the better scorers in the league but I don't see much around him.

Ready To Fight For A Spot

11. Anna Maria Retained most of their recruiting class from last year and seem to have brought in a few more contributors. Good win vs Newbury already. Tyler Washington, De La Hoz and Pinsonault will have to continue to improve to carry them.

10. Regis The biggest surprise outside of UNE in the conference last year. They bring back a good amount of guys and bring in a ton of recruits. I think a few years down the road they will be a force in this league. I'm on the Bandwagon.

9. Nichols Wilcox and Riley will make them dangerous but they need someone like a Paquin to step up and be a consistent shooter. Very good win against Becker early on and they hung with WPI for a while.

In It To Win It Playoff Teams

8. Curry The defending champs lost an awful lot of firepower. They will go as far as Mark Mastrullo can carry them and they need to develop an inside force to go with him. They sneak into the playoffs late and no one wants to face them in the first round.

7. WNEC Fredette will lead the league in rebounds...Not sure what else they have outside of Maynard who I think could be a special player as well. How they respond to the new coach will also be important.

6. Wentworth No idea what to make of these guys. They lose SPB which obviously hurts. I don't know how good Doyle is without Blue to occupy the defense. Also why is Bynes not on their roster? Weird first weekend too with a good win over USM and a loss to Lesley (!?). They will be inconsistant but a tough first round tourney matchup

5. Endicott Their roster is giant. Lots of height. Two good wins this weekend. It will be up to Whitelaw to make shots. Montrond to control the game and Galbraith, Martin, etc to control the paint. They have talent but they have recent years too, we'll see what the staff does with them.

4. Gordon The Gordon posters have been very very quiet which is a nice change. I'm sure in no time they will trumpeting their guys for awards like we're used to. Trigg and Bajema should give them 2 of the better guards in the league and they still have a lot of size with guys like Derr and Gaskill. If a recruit or two can step up and make an impact they are very dangerous

Contenders!

3. RWU Lost a lot of size but Barret, Fava and Bashaw are back to form the best backcourt in the league and supposedly their freshman forward is a MONSTER. Couple that with their home court advantage and they could be right there at the end.

2. Colby-Sawyer Everyone back, the best home court advantage in the league and an inside out threat in Szeliga and Rosso means the Chargers will be right down to the wire this year in the TCCC

1. UNE No one knows much about the newcomers but you have to assume at least a few of them will be impact guys. Simpson and Jefferson are talents and Belmonte and the supporting cast give them some stability. I like their chances to finish what they started last year and pull one out.

Player of The Year Odds


Simpson UNE 3-2

Jefferson UNE 4-1

Szeliga CSC 5-1

Rosso CSC 5-1

Barrett RWU 6-1

Bashaw RWU 12-1

Trigg GC 3-2

Bajema GC 10-1

Whitlelaw EC 10-1

Montrond EC 8-1

Doyle WIT 5-2

Fredette WNEC 8-1

Maynard WNEC 12-1

Mastrullo CC  7-1

Wilcox NC 12-1

Neal RC  15-1

De La Hoz AMC 25-1

Hinkson SRU 20-1

All Others 40-1
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on November 17, 2008, 01:58:59 PM
WIT looked good for 2 halves!  Which would have been OK if they only had one game but not quite enough to pull out 2 wins in the opening weekend.  Fortunately for them USM had an even worse 1st half of game 1 and WIT made them pay.  Maybe a case of first game nerves for both team?  After the first 6 minutes the score was 1-0!

WIT controlled the game vs Lesley until the last 6-8 minutes.  They had a couple opportunities in both halves to pull away and put it out of reach but fell into the trap of lowering their defensive intensity and not taking care of the ball on O when they felt a "comfortable" lead.  To Lesley's credit they never gave up against WIT, unlike the game against EC when they imploded.

A lot of new faces and surprises but I'll let the scouts earn their money.  Suffice it to say that despite the big loss of SPB (congrats on his overseas contract), the potential upside is huge!  There were some shining moments of ball movement, tough D, board control and Doyle's shot is even smoother than last year if that is possible (1st team).

2 good tests this week...
Title: Season Opener
Post by: usmainebball on November 18, 2008, 08:35:53 AM
Tonight is the big night! Huskies and the Storm, mens and womens, face off tonight. I not gonna miss this one. Be there to support your team, unless your from UNE, then come watch defeat.
Title: Re: UNE vs. USM
Post by: Dwhite11 on November 18, 2008, 09:05:07 AM
The time has come....LETS GO HUSKIES!
Title: Re: UNE vs. USM
Post by: backboard on November 18, 2008, 09:18:45 AM
I saw USM play against Endicott and minutes against WIT.  They are not a good team.  I fully expect UNE to win by 20
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: steph555 on November 18, 2008, 10:31:53 AM
Tonights the night! dont forget to come watch UNE vs USM at the USM gym tonight 530, and 730! print out the coupon on the USM athletics page for a chance to win portland pirate tickets or an ipod!
Title: Re: UNE vs. USM
Post by: Dwhite11 on November 18, 2008, 12:32:00 PM
I dont know where my posts went dealing with the UNE vs. USM mathup...but im kind of upset!
Title: Re: UNE vs. USM
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2008, 01:19:09 PM
We generally don't need four topics on the same game. UNE and USM each have conferences. Those conferences have message boards. That's where the discussion belongs.

And if anyone has actual discussion and not just reminders to print the coupon, please, speak up.
Title: Re: UNE vs. USM
Post by: teamajkd on November 19, 2008, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: backboard on November 18, 2008, 09:18:45 AM
I saw USM play against Endicott and minutes against WIT.  They are not a good team.  I fully expect UNE to win by 20

I take it you don't know much about BB. USM beet the guts out of UNE 85-71. Go USM
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 19, 2008, 07:53:53 AM
I hope this board starts lighting up with posters from every school. Of course we all are going to pump up our own teams, but if there are people representing every school, it doesn't seem so annoying.

At any rate, thank you CCC for posting your pre-season rundown. It's always fun to see in-depth analysis.

Tonight sees a big game between Gordon and MIT in Wenham. It should be a solid litmus test for the young Fighting Scots, as they only return two starters in Aaron Trigg and Brady Bajema. (Three if you count the platoon of Jeff Derr and Ben Gaskill). Otherwise, it is a good chance to see how the younger players in Greg Walker, Austen Bentson and the like handle a solid team in MIT.

MIT returns their top three scorers, but none more potent than Jimmy Bartolotta.

The game can be seen via live webcast at the Gordon Athletics website. From what I hear, the feed is much improved over last year.
Title: Re: UNE vs. USM
Post by: CCC Talk on November 19, 2008, 09:00:54 AM
Actually...


No I think his assesment was a reasonable one. They did get beat up by Endicott and Wentworth who are both picked to finish behind UNE this year.

Looking at the box score it looks like USM made a concious decision to put the ball inside to Whittaker who UNE did not have the size to matchup with. Also Simpson fouling out and being a non factor is important to note as well as it being their first game of the year with over 10 new players.

It's a nice win for USM but considering they already got smacked by EC and WIT and are 1-2 don't be attacking the fellow for what would have been the smart money opinion before hand.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 19, 2008, 11:46:33 AM
Last night's action:

WNEC 80 - Bridgewater State 91
Matt Maynard had 16 points and 8 rebounds while Kyle Fredette dropped 15 pts and 6 boards.

WIT 68 - Framingham State 86
Todd Doyle scored 17 and Matt Abbott had 23 of his own.  WIT allowed 54% shooting from the floor.  Looks like life after Prezzie-Blue will have some bumps.

Wheaton 83 - Salve Regina 75
Justin Woodworth held his own with 29 points and Jabreche Boyd scored 17 as well.  Salve allowed 57% shooting from the floor.

Anna Maria 53 - Wheelock 67
Henry Rose had 13 for the Amcats but they were out rebounded 42-34.

Mitchell 62 - Regis 78
Phil Alibrandi had 20 pts and 6 boards for Regis as they improve to 2-1.

Curry 45 - Amherst 73
Did we expect anything different?  Amherst jumped out to a 18-1 lead and coasted from there.  Curry's Quashed Simmons had 21 points and 5 boards as the only bright spot for the Colonels'.  Amherst held Curry to 24% shooting on the night.

New England 71 - Southern Maine 85
Johnnie Jefferson scored 21 points to go along with 5 turnovers.  USM shot 57.9% shooting on the night.  I saw USM play against Endicott over the weekend and I'm rather surprised that they beat UNE by 14.

Suffolk 62 - Nichols 80
Chris Paquin scored 20 points to lead the way for Nichols as they shot 50.7% on the night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 19, 2008, 11:54:15 AM
Tuesday's best:  Justin Woodworth, Salve.  29 points (8-15), 6 rebounds, and 3 assists in 37 minutes.

Tuesday's worst:  Brad Bryant, Wentworth.  0 points (0-7), 2 rebounds, and 5 assists in 32 minutes.


I'm basing this only off of box scores, so if you have your opinions, feel free to post them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2008, 08:42:27 PM

Glad to see backboard taking over my recapping duties.  The load is just too much for me these days.

I did check out some box scores and it looks like the CCC is in for a rough year.  Outside of Endicott and Regis teams seem to be starting out below expectations.  Of course Gordon can change that with a big win tonight.  Still there are some bad losses out there early on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 19, 2008, 09:03:51 PM
Gordon 77 - MIT 69  OT

Great win by Gordon tonight.  They were down early but continued to play solid and force overtime.  A key foul out by MIT's All-American Jimmy Bartolotta fouled out and they struggled on offense from then on.  Aaron Trigg was huge for the Fighting Scots but Ben Gaskill and Greg Walker contributed in a large way as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 19, 2008, 09:13:09 PM
It was a solid win for Gordon. It seems like forever since they've beaten MIT either home or away. As the stats are posted, I'm sure there will be a lot of analysis, but there are a few key things to take away from this one.

- Gordon, even with the loss of Marstaller, Schnack, Kaufman, and Krass... Can still play big when needed. They can win tough games and that is never a bad thing.

- Aaron Trigg is every bit of the player we think he is. If he can come close to playing the way he did tonight in each game looking forward, POY in the CCC is in the bag.

- Ben Gaskill and Greg Walker can pull down boards against anyone. They can alter shots and, in the case of Walker, hit the short range jumpers.

- MIT is a solid, solid team. Bartolotta and Soumare are fantastic players and they literally make or break the game with their presence (or lack thereof).

Finally, and this cannot be understated, Hoops is right. The CCC seems down this year. Not only within the conference but against opponents outside of the conference, it seems as if we'll be seeing fewer and fewer wins. It's still early, but the analysis is valid.

The Gordon win tonight is huge. It proves that the teams at the top of the CCC can contend against solid non-con teams. Congrats to the Fighting Scots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 20, 2008, 09:53:47 AM
Gordon actually beat M.I.T. away in 05-06 and at home in 06-07. However, M.I.T. is always tough and anytime you can beat them its a good thing.
Gordon looked impressive last night despite some periods of sloppy play. They clearly miss Justin Kaufman handling the ball but Trigg seems to be doing a good job of distributing as well as looking for his own shot. The big men for Gordon are really coming along. I thought that Gaskill did just what they need him to do - be big, get boards, alter shots and make easy buckets (12 pts last night). Greg Walker could be a stud in this league. He is long and has a high release with a soft touch. Its going to be interesting to watch these guys this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 20, 2008, 11:03:37 AM
Scout, when are you going to learn?  This is the same old act by Gordon year after year.  They have a quality regular season, even beat a few good teams here and there.  Last year was Plattsburgh and this year it's MIT.  But each and every year, they enter the playoffs, win one game only, and then get bounced out.  Their best chance to win was when Mike Herr and Jerry Logan were captains.  Even they were knocked out of the playoffs, albeit by the eventual champions.  Aaron Trigg is a nice player (30 points last night) but I'm far from convinced they will do any better this year than last year, and the year before that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 20, 2008, 11:11:30 AM
Wednesday's best:  Aaron Trigg, Gordon:  30 points (8-17, 6-9 3-PT), 5 assists , 2 rebounds in 42 minutes.

Wednesday's worst:  Spencer Marzouk, NEC:  0 points (0-5, 0-2 3-PT), 1 rebound, 2 turnovers in 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 20, 2008, 11:53:55 AM
Backboard... I agree with you. Gordon is an inexperienced team outside of Trigg, Bajema and Gaskill.

I have experienced those quick exits from the CCC tourney and I know where you're coming from. I was merely trying to point out that there is a severe lack of parity in the conference right now. Colby-Sawyer, Gordon and Roger Williams are the class of the CCC at this point and outside of these teams, we'd be hard-pressed to find any confidence in any other team making the tourney at all.

I'm not trying to hype Gordon because they're Gordon. I was attempting to make a case that Gordon has a team that knows how to fight for a win, even with a young squad.

I'm a fan of balance, parity, and utilitarianism in the CCC as much as anyone. (That and the fact that the Gordon-MIT game was the only CCC game of note last night).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 20, 2008, 12:52:00 PM
I don't think NEC (who earned their first win if the year) or Eastern Naz would apppreciate that, but you're right
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 20, 2008, 01:24:43 PM
i don't think anyone in their right mind would try to make the case that Gordon is going to win the championship and go to the tourney because of this win last night. the moral of the story is that Gordon is a talented team with alot of potential who got a good win last night. nothing more and nothing less.
the ccc as a whole is severely depleted this year with numerous all-conference team staples having graduated. but it will be interesting to see who rises up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 20, 2008, 01:42:45 PM
at least there aren't 187 random posts about the UNE-WIT game tonight like the UNE-USM game which was from what I hear the most important basketball game in the history of the state of maine...pick up your free cupon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on November 20, 2008, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 20, 2008, 01:42:45 PM
at least there aren't 187 random posts about the UNE-WIT game tonight like the UNE-USM game which was from what I hear the most important basketball game in the history of the state of maine...pick up your free cupon
Probably because we won't be offering any free coupons tonight.  ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 20, 2008, 03:43:29 PM
Aw c'mon Bill, I was looking forward to my first Wentworth game this year
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on November 20, 2008, 09:12:42 PM
Just in...UNE 91 WIT 90
6 players for UNE in double figures! :o
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: backboard on November 19, 2008, 09:03:51 PM
Gordon 77 - MIT 69  OT

Great win by Gordon tonight.  They were down early but continued to play solid and force overtime.  A key foul out by MIT's All-American Jimmy Bartolotta fouled out and they struggled on offense from then on.  Aaron Trigg was huge for the Fighting Scots but Ben Gaskill and Greg Walker contributed in a large way as well.

The key foul out was a key assist by the ref.  A weak call like that in the last minute of the game on a screen away from the ball with no bearing on the play should never be made.  It is even more questionable considering the timing of the call with the home team trailing by a posession and on MIT's best player.  Bartollotta has averaged 36+ minutes per game and only 2.4 fouls per game over the past 3 seasons (over that time he has fouled out in 2 games, one was an OT game, the other was 3OT).  For him to collect 5 in 25 minutes just doesnt seem right to me, especially considering the play that the last foul was called on.  Good win for Gordon, but it would have been a bit more impressive if they had done it playing against MITs actual lineup instead of playing against their freshman for almost half of the game.  Soumare has been foul prone in the past so that is as much of a stretch, but some of the calls against Bartolotta had me scratching my head.  You had the feeling the refs were looking for Bartolotta to do something so they could get a call on him. For example, on that last play where he fouled out, there wasnt anything egregious to draw the refs attention (considering the ball was at the top of the key and the screen was on the week side baseline with the man running off away from the basket), the ref who called it on the sideline would have had to be staring at him to find anything at all because I was watching Bartolotta on the play to see if he would come up to get the ball on such an important posession.  I thought at first it was on the Gordon player for fighting through the screen too agressively but to my (not) surprise, it was called on Bartolotta.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 20, 2008, 09:32:58 PM
Hugenard, I appreciate your enthusiasm for MIT and the NEWMAC teams. You're a consistent contributor and the analysis is usually spot on.

I'm just curious... Were you at the game? If so, then your description of the play is as good as it is going to get from any point of view. In that case, we'll all agree it was a bad call and allowed Gordon to secure a win.

However, I was watching the game via the live stream online and I can honestly say that the play was inconclusive from that vantage point. Criticizing a call from an online stream is somewhat suspect, and while one can infer an opinion on what would normally follow a series of events, said opinion cannot be assumed fact in one's argument.

To your credit, the refs in the CCC are notoriously oblivious to calls. However, they are the same refs employed by both the NEWMAC and the NESCAC. The ECAC oversees all this and while it might be safe to say that around 10-15 years ago there were such things as 'home' refs, the conferences have progressed significantly and the refs are doing a better job at being objective.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 09:55:58 PM
I was watching on the live stream but I clearly saw that play.  I dont know if you were watching that actual part of the play, because the screen was away from the ball, but Bartolotta set a down screen and the ref was behind Bartolotta (meaning Bartolotta was between the man getting the screen and the ref).  Therefore, the refs view would also seem to be quite limited and therefore he may have made the call as a reaction to the defender's reaction.  I am also a bit confused as to why he would be focusing on that part of the play considering he was about equadistant from the screen on the baseline and the ball at the top of the key, but that may have been his assignment (another ref may have been watching the ball).  But either way, I have the same conclusion as my other post.  Why is that call made at that point of the game on such a meaningless side note to the play?  It would not have had any bearing on the play (it was simply a screen in the continuation of the offense) and, even if it had not been on Bartolotta, it would have been one hell of a time to make a marginal offensive foul call.  You could make some argument for an illegal screen on nearly every screen that is set during any given game, but they all arent called.  It just seemed like a bogus call on that play, especially on Bartolotta considering he had picked up several other ticky tack ones throughout the night.  There is a saying that I am sure you all are familiar with, let the players decide the outcome of the game.  By making that call, the ref made a profound impact on the outcome of the game when there was no need to.  Those types of calls are never made at the end of games at higher levels, because the refs do not want to effect the outcome of the game.  I think it would have been a marginal call at the beginning of a game, but to make that call in that situation is just wrong.

By the way, I predicted something like this happening on the NEWMAC board yesterday before the game, so I am not surprised, but just disappointed in that call especially.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 20, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
Completely understandable. Unfortunately in these cases one team benefits and the other doesn't.

We can only hope that these situations are held to a minimum.

Either way, well-played game by both sides.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 10:28:05 PM
I just wanted to add one thing to what I said.  Bartolotta is a smart player, he has played more minutes than anyone going into this season.  Do you really think he would set an obviously bad screen at such a pivotal point in the game, considering he has had the ball in his hands in every close game in his career.  It is one thing if he was playing defense and someone drove into him and they earned the foul, it is a completely different thing for a ref to make a ticky tack call, away from the ball, on a play were the refs positioning is questionable, to foul out the best player on the court (arguably in NE), with one minute left in the game, to gave the ball back to the home team, in a one poession game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: scout on November 20, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
Completely understandable. Unfortunately in these cases one team benefits and the other doesn't.

I guess the point is that neither team had to benefit.  If no call had been made the players would have decided the game.  My unhappiness is derived from the fact that the call appeared to be made so that one team would benefit.

It is not like there was a huge collision and a call had to be made one way or the other. The ref made a decision to give one team a decided advantage over the other for the remainder of the game on what was clearly a very weak call.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 21, 2008, 01:18:56 AM
wow a lot of crying for an early season game. Go count some blackjack cards or something
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2008, 06:49:53 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 21, 2008, 01:18:56 AM
wow a lot of crying for an early season game. Go count some blackjack cards or something

Nice input to the conversation. Why dont you go tell yourself how cool you are a few 100 more times to make you feel better about yourself.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 21, 2008, 07:48:09 AM
Listen hugenerd, you have made your point several times.  Now go back to your board and let us continue talking about TCCC.  We appreciate your input but please do not continue harping on the same point for a few days.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 21, 2008, 09:41:38 AM
Complaining that the refs have any factor on the game's outcome will get you nothing but bad karma on this board.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gotta Get Big on November 21, 2008, 10:10:38 AM
hugenerd, I feel your pain.  However, great players, which Bartolotta absolutely is, should adjust there game to how the refs are calling it.  And let's be honest, in The CCC, that is going to happen often because 85% of the refs you get are going to be sub par.  I can see how any player can pick up two fouls in the first half, have to go the bench and wait until the second half.  But then you have to change your game, you have to adjust.  From what you are describing, I agree, that is a terrible call to make especially on a player of Bartolotta's caliber, and especially at that point in the game.  But what about the two fouls before that?  That is still on him...

And that call didn't distinctively change the game.  It's rare you see a call like that happen...unless you are playing Salem State.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 21, 2008, 10:22:32 AM
Tonight's games for the CCC...

WNEC, after falling to Bridgewater St. 91-80 will face Bowdoin in the first round of the Salem State Tournament in Salem. (4 PM EST)

Anna Maria, at 1-1 (Win against Newbury, Loss at Wheelock), will travel to Nashua, NH to face hosts Rivier in the Rivier Tourney. (6 PM EST)

RWU, after defeating Johnson and Whales in their season opener, will host the RWU/Courtyard by Marriott tournament this weekend. They face off against Tufts in the first round and then will face either Western Connecticut State University or Lasell College. (6 PM EST)

NEC, sitting at 1-2, travel to Eastern Connecticut State for a tournament. They face the hosts in the first round. (5:30 PM EST)

Colby-Sawyer play in their second tournament in as many weeks. They lost to Coast Guard in the first round of the UMass Dartmouth tourney and then revenged that loss with a win against Framingham State. Sitting at 1-1, they also travel to the Rivier tournament in Nashua, facing Rutgers-Camden in the first round. (8 PM EST)

Finally, Gordon host the Gordon College Tip-Off tournament. They pulled together a solid field and it should be an interesting weekend. Gordon takes on SUNY Oneonta in the first round and will face either William-Patterson (from NJ) or Wesleyan from the NESCAC. (8 PM EST)




Some interesting notes...

RWU has a chance of playing Lasell College. That is the same Lasell that just topped No. 9 Brandeis earlier in the week. The Hawks have a solid shot at making a strong statement this weekend against solid competition.

Gordon continues its attempt to play good competition outside the CCC whenever possible. They face some tough teams in New England, and take on a team from SUNY schools that are always competitive. Later on in the season, they travel to Minnesota for a game at Northwestern College, who won the UMAC (NAIA) championship last year. (Coach Schauer and Coach Tim Grosz have some connections).



That's the night's preview. As always, analysis is welcome.

A few games will have live stats and the like. Gordon continues to be the only CCC school offering live video stream of home games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2008, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: dwebbs on November 21, 2008, 09:41:38 AM
Complaining that the refs have any factor on the game's outcome will get you nothing but bad karma on this board.

First off, the refs clearly did have an effect on the game.

Second, you seem to have pretty bad karma, do you complain about the refs alot?

Third, why dont you give me bad karma then. I dont care about karma.  I was sharing my opinion, which I am pretty sure what these boards are about.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2008, 11:02:20 AM
Quote from: Gotta Get Big on November 21, 2008, 10:10:38 AM
hugenerd, I feel your pain.  However, great players, which Bartolotta absolutely is, should adjust there game to how the refs are calling it.  And let's be honest, in The CCC, that is going to happen often because 85% of the refs you get are going to be sub par.  I can see how any player can pick up two fouls in the first half, have to go the bench and wait until the second half.  But then you have to change your game, you have to adjust.  From what you are describing, I agree, that is a terrible call to make especially on a player of Bartolotta's caliber, and especially at that point in the game.  But what about the two fouls before that?  That is still on him...

And that call didn't distinctively change the game.  It's rare you see a call like that happen...unless you are playing Salem State.

Thanks.  I guess my point was that he usually does change his game, considering that over the past 3 seasons the only times he has fouled out were in a 1OT and 3OT game.  Anyway, I think we can all move on now, I dont think there is anymore to be said.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 21, 2008, 12:32:21 PM
TCCC could possibly have the worst refs in New England but as CCC supporters, we have gotten used to it.

Last night:

Une 91 - WIT 90 (non-conference game)

This was my first Wentworth game this year and they look very different without Prezzie-Blue running the point and Weonard Bynes roaming the paint.  Nonetheless, losing seniors is apart of the game so no point in worrying about that.

As we all know, UNE has a bunch of kids from Texas, and 4 out of 5 starters.  Simpson and Jefferson are their known scores but now they have a quality group around them.  Basically their whole offense during the game was drive and then kick it out.  Occasionally they were able to get into the paint but that's not what they were looking to do.  As a result, they shot 26 three pointers, making 9 of them total.  It took some time for WIT to figure out a strategy against UNE as they went down by more than 10 points.

WIT had the clear advantage in the post with their bigs.  Matt Abbott was basically unstoppable when he got the ball.  UNE plays ALOT of zone, so they were able to crash on Abbott whenever possible.  That didn't matter as Abbott only had one turnover on the night and finished with 21 points and 16 boards!  In my opinion the point guards didn't get him the ball enough as he scored a handful of points off of putbacks (7 offense rebounds).

Eventually Wentworth was able to figure out UNE's style after their halftime adjustments.  Every guard for UNE does the same thing, put their head down and drive.  WIT's guard drew numerous charges but every time WIT seemed poised to take over the game, UNE hit a three, or forced a turnover which led to points.  WIT finished with 19 turnovers, 14 of which came from their ball-handlers.

UNE has a quality team this year.  I think they'll struggle against the likes of Endicott and Colby-Sawyer who use their bigs even more than WIT.  Simpson was shutdown for most of the game as he only recorded 12 points in 30 minutes, most of which came from the line when Wentworth was fouling intentionally.  If he can perform at his normal level, then UNE has a solid chance at winning the conference.  Their trap defense is tough since everyone they put on the floor is quick and can recover very fast.

The game came right down to the wire as WIT began fouling.  UNE hit most of their foul shots but WIT made it very interesting by converting on the offense end.  A key turnover by WIT and crucial late missed free throws led to their loss, but I give them credit for playing tough till the end.  Both teams are pretty good (by TCCC standards) and simply need more game time with their teammates.

I'm not going to do a Thursday's best/worst performer since this was the only game on the night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on November 21, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
In d1 there ref's designated for specific conferences but not in d3.  TCCC has the same refs as the Little East, MASCAC, NEWMAC, and NESCAC. 

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 21, 2008, 03:16:36 PM
Correct all refs are independent contractors however it does seem like an abundance of truly awful officials end up working CCC games.

Add in the geographical constraints on some officials and the fact that you see the same awful refs at places like RWU and another set of awful ones at CSC a lot and you can start to make generalizations about the leagues officiating.

Word is out of Boston last night that a ref blew a huge call calling a UNE shot a 3 with a foot on the new 3 point line. The game ended up being a 1 point game so that's pretty awful.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 21, 2008, 03:36:34 PM
often times these refs do high school games as well. believe me we aren't going to be seeing any of these guys doing a duke - unc game any time soon. it makes playing in the CCC hard at times. foul calls are inconsistent so it is difficult to tell how aggressively to play from one game to the next. also, these subpar refs are thrown into important games and when it comes down to crunch time they often miss calls or make horrific ones that can change the outcome of a game. this is is just the way it goes in the CCC. arguing about a specific call is pointless because they blow important calls all the time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2008, 04:44:12 PM
Nice to see that most of the CCC fans are reasonable people (I mean that seriously).  It is ok to have a discussion about a topic you disagree on. 

I guess I will go back to "my" board now, you are all welcome to visit whenever you like. For the record, I harped on this topic for less 24 hours on this board, so saying a "few" days would be an inaccurate description.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 21, 2008, 06:02:54 PM
24 hours?  Really.  Is that why the post on the 19th listed below is talking about how you hate it when refs make bad calls???  Why don't you go back to your own board and stop wasting our time on this one.




15   Posting Up / Northeast Region / Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL  on: November 19, 2008, 09:26:39 pm 
MIT loses in OT 77-69. MIT didnt get a single call in OT while Gordon shot what seemed like 8 or 10 FTs (I dont have the actual stats).

Bartolotta fouls out for just the fourth time in 84 career games (he had one each of the past 3 years, this is the first time he has fouled out since his freshman year in a game that did not at least go to a single OT) and for the first time in his career on the road.  This is the quickest he has ever fouled out, 26 minutes (previous low was 32 his fresman year). That last foul call on Bartolotta was especially ridiculous. It was a petty call that could probably be made on either team on every posession of the game that happened to be called on the best player on the court for the visiting team with less than a minute to go in a very close game. I hate when refs make calls that directly effect the outcome of the game when a there is no reason to make a call.  If he had hacked someone going to the basket or fouled someone causing a turnover or did anything that made any difference I wouldnt mind, but that was just an awful call.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 21, 2008, 06:05:51 PM
Let's give hugenard all a break and start talking about tonight's games...

Gordon won, let it go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2008, 07:59:37 PM
Quote from: akirk on November 21, 2008, 06:02:54 PM
24 hours?  Really.  Is that why the post on the 19th listed below is talking about how you hate it when refs make bad calls???  Why don't you go back to your own board and stop wasting our time on this one.




15   Posting Up / Northeast Region / Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL  on: November 19, 2008, 09:26:39 pm 
MIT loses in OT 77-69. MIT didnt get a single call in OT while Gordon shot what seemed like 8 or 10 FTs (I dont have the actual stats).

Bartolotta fouls out for just the fourth time in 84 career games (he had one each of the past 3 years, this is the first time he has fouled out since his freshman year in a game that did not at least go to a single OT) and for the first time in his career on the road.  This is the quickest he has ever fouled out, 26 minutes (previous low was 32 his fresman year). That last foul call on Bartolotta was especially ridiculous. It was a petty call that could probably be made on either team on every posession of the game that happened to be called on the best player on the court for the visiting team with less than a minute to go in a very close game. I hate when refs make calls that directly effect the outcome of the game when a there is no reason to make a call.  If he had hacked someone going to the basket or fouled someone causing a turnover or did anything that made any difference I wouldnt mind, but that was just an awful call.


Did you even read my post carefully?  Is the NEWMAC board the same board as the CCC board?

Lets revisit my post:

Quote from: hugenerd on November 21, 2008, 04:44:12 PM
Nice to see that most of the CCC fans are reasonable people (I mean that seriously).  It is ok to have a discussion about a topic you disagree on. 

I guess I will go back to "my" board now, you are all welcome to visit whenever you like. For the record, I harped on this topic for less 24 hours on this board, so saying a "few" days would be an inaccurate description.

Hence, I did not write on this board until last night, so why dont you learn to be careful when you read before you criticize.  I was pretty deliberate with my wording smart guy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 21, 2008, 08:36:50 PM
Ok moving on.  At the half, Gordon 29 - Oneonta St. 26

Gordon started the game well as their ball movement led to easy baskets.  Oneonta calmed down at tied it up with intense defensive pressure.  Their bigs are too athletic for Gordon, forcing Coach Schauer to go to a zone after makes and man defense after a miss.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 21, 2008, 09:47:10 PM
Gordon took over after halftime going up by as much as 12 points.  Their offense was clicking and their shots were falling.  Oneonta eventually rebounded back using their athleticism and a trap defense.  Onenota's best offensive player was in foul trouble and eventually fouled out (surprise, surprise).  Gordon's lead to was too much to complete Oneonta's rally as the final score reads 68-63.

I'm sure Scout will have more on this game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 22, 2008, 11:56:01 AM
Yesterday's games:

Gordon 68 - Oneonta St. 63
Trigg had a horrible shooting night (3-14) but still led the way with 15 points.  Derr and Bajema had 13 and 12 respectfully.

Bowdoin 72 - WNEC 39
Ouch.  WNEC shot 24% for game and were out-rebounded 49-32.

Eastern Conn 87 - NEC 47
Another ouch.  NEC shot 25% and were out-rebounded 48-29.

Tufts 82 - Roger Williams 76
Tucker Bashaw had 23 and Billy Barrett had 18 of his own.  However Tufts shot 50% for the game and two players scoring more than 20 each.

Colby-Sawyer 79 - Rutgers Camden 60
David Rosso led the way with 22 points and Andrew Cousins chipped in 15 as well.  As a team they shot 54% and held Rutgers-Camden to 34%.

Rivier 87 - Anna Maria 80
Derek Johnson had 25 points and 15 rebounds for the Amcats, but it wasn't enough to defeat Rivier.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 22, 2008, 11:59:46 AM
Friday's best: Derek Johnson, Anna Maria:  25 points (10-18), 15 rebounds (10 offensive), and 2 assists off the bench in only 25 minutes.

Friday's worst: Kyle Fredette, WNEC:  6 points (2-12, 1-5 3-PT), 5 rebounds, 6 turnovers in 29 minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 22, 2008, 10:11:11 PM
Great finish to the Gordon-William Patterson game tonight. The Fighting Scots were down by as much 13 points midway through the second half and pull through to win by one point before the end of regulation.

Unlike the game against MIT, there was no bogus call changing the outcome of the game.

The feed for the game was severely slow and so I only got bits and pieces of the comeback. I'm sure there will be others who will be able to add more experiential analysis.

Aside from that, it is important to note the importance of this win.

Gordon has beaten MIT, a solid SUNY Oneonta team, and a William-Patterson team that had garnered votes to be in the top 25 in the nation.... All in the same week.

It has been said throughout the early part of this season that the CCC is down this year. Gordon is making a case that they can play with the 'big boys' on a consistent basis. We all thought that the win against Plattsburg State last year was a fluke, but Coach Schauer is proving his ability to bring Gordon to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on November 23, 2008, 10:07:06 AM
Now we just have to wait until some malcontent claims WP never blows a 13 point second half lead, and some how this game was rigged.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: thebizzle on November 24, 2008, 08:35:35 PM
Where is Hoops Fan? The faithful one, the one that compelled me check d3 hoops every single day of basketball season for his analysis the past four years. I appreciate scout, backboard, dwebbs and CCCTalk, but Hoops come back to the board son! I know grad school is hard,  but take a break at starbucks, and post. Where are the endicott fans? Where is James Bartelle? Is GSMIZZLE in the house? You graduated, you can post now! Where is Jim Rome CCC? Marv Albert anyone? This board needs to get fired up!! Fans of the CCC start reppin your teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 24, 2008, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: thebizzle on November 24, 2008, 08:35:35 PM
This board needs to get fired up!! Fans of the CCC start reppin your teams.

I second that motion.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 25, 2008, 09:44:16 AM
haha. i agree we are definitely missing GSMIZZLE's input.
Gordon makes the God-forsaken trip up to Husson tonight. Tough trip to make right before thanksgiving break. Gordon has dropped the last two games against them so it will be interesting to see how this one turns out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2008, 10:50:19 AM
Quote from: thebizzle on November 24, 2008, 08:35:35 PM
Where is Hoops Fan? The faithful one, the one that compelled me check d3 hoops every single day of basketball season for his analysis the past four years.


I'm not sure if you noticed, but I wasn't around much last season either.  Backboard has taken over my reporting duties and I may get more invested after the New Year begins.

Gordon has picked up some good wins so far this year.  They've looked better than expected early on.  Regis has won some games, which is more than I expected of them.  However, the rest of the conference is awful so far.  It's going to be a big time down year for the CCC.

I'll comment some more once some individual players begin to emerge.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2008, 11:25:47 AM

I've just been perusing rosters and box scores from early on to start getting some names into my head.  I've noticed a few things.

UNE is getting a lot of balanced scoring from a team full of new players.  If they gel well, they could indeed improve considerably, although they do lack size.

WIT has a big transfer from UNH - Matt Abbott - making a big impact inside, especially on the boards.

SRU's Justin Woodworth is somehow finding a way to get open looks.  He's always been a good shooter, but seemed to lack opportunities.  If they can keep it up during CCC play, he could put up some big individual numbers.

Aaron Trigg's play may be for real.  Coming in as a freshman, he was highly touted with a solid resume.  Now, with time and experience, he may be able to keep this up.  GC's also got a lot of impressive looking freshmen.  This program is in good shape right now.

RWU has a lot of seniors and hung with Tufts and Lasell.  It might not mean too much now, but consistent senior leadership will mean a lot come February.

EC's got a ton of young big guys who could benefit from my favorite journeyman PG Bobby Montrond.  EC's got a strong coaching staff - I think they make some noise by the end of the year.

ENC will be better.  They've got a little more size this year and, let's face it, it would be tough to be worse.

Quashed Simmons at Curry looks legit, but we all know the CC mantra.  Consistency escapes them; they'll have to prove differently before I believe in them.

CSC hasn't changed much.  There's a lot to work with there, but Foti hasn't put together a real solid club in a few season.  They're a "wait and see" program as well.  They do have the almighty Andy St. Clair on the sidelines coaching - so there's always hope.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on November 25, 2008, 01:11:09 PM
Congratulations to Duncan Szeliga on scoring his 1,000th point Saturday in a loss to Rivier in the Rivier Tip-Off Championship.

As for the Chargers this season, once everyone falls into their role on the team then Foti will have more to work with than many of the other teams in what is truly a weak TCCC this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 25, 2008, 04:25:54 PM
CCC Games tonight...

Endicott (2-1) hosts Colby - 5 PM EST
NEC (1-4) hosts Rivier - 5:30 PM EST
Anna Maria (2-2) hosts Clark - 6 PM EST
Curry (0-3) travels to MIT - 7 PM EST
RWU (1-2) travels to Connecticut College - 7 PM EST
Gordon (4-0) travels to Husson College - 7 PM EST
WIT (1-3) travels to Thomas College - 7 PM EST
UNE (1-2) hosts Bowdoin - 7:30 PM EST
WNEC (1-2) travels to Keene State - 7:30 PM EST
ENC (1-2) hosts Lesley - 8 PM EST
Salve (1-3) hosts Suffolk - 8 PM EST
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 25, 2008, 05:11:43 PM
scout thanks for the updates.
nice to see all the winning records in the CCC!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 25, 2008, 05:42:48 PM
Sorry to disappoint the board, but I do not have too much information regarding the Gulls.  I have moved back to Connecticut so I am somewhat out of the loop.  That being said, I played with them a couple times during the preseason, and I will say that it is probably the biggest team in TCCC.  A lot of guys over 6'5".  I will see them play this weekend down at Western Connecticut, so I'll have a little more to say.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 25, 2008, 06:13:57 PM
Okay...

Just for the sake of initiating some conversation, I'm going to make some picks for tonight's games. As a disclaimer, I have no means by which to guarantee a good record in this, it's just for fun.


Endicott (2-1) hosts Colby - 5 PM EST
NEC (1-4) hosts Rivier - 5:30 PM EST
Anna Maria (2-2) hosts Clark - 6 PM EST
Curry (0-3) travels to MIT - 7 PM EST
RWU (1-2) travels to Connecticut College - 7 PM EST
Gordon (4-0) travels to Husson College - 7 PM EST
WIT (1-3) travels to Thomas College - 7 PM EST
UNE (1-2) hosts Bowdoin - 7:30 PM EST
WNEC (1-2) travels to Keene State - 7:30 PM EST
ENC (1-2) hosts Lesley - 8 PM EST
Salve (1-3) hosts Suffolk - 8 PM EST

We'll see what happens, but I think the lock of the night is MIT beating Curry. Curry has some talent, but MIT is angry after losing to Gordon last week.

The Gordon-Husson game is going to be a doozy. Gordon has had a rough go at it against Husson the past two years, and traveling to Bangor from just north of Boston is annoying. For those interested, I made a call to a sports radio station up there and they'll be broadcasting the game live. Go to http://zoneradio.com/wzon/am620wzon.html
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 25, 2008, 07:41:38 PM
At halftime...

Gordon is leading Husson 40-36.

The story of the game has been the fouls put up by both squads, namely Gordon. Gordon allowed Husson to be in the bonus for more than 7 minutes.

However, with its size, Gordon has been outrebounding Husson all night. Without the stats in front of me, it might be an 8-10 board advantage at this point.

We'll see if foul trouble becomes an issue in the second half, but right now, Gordon has been using backdoor cuts and solid putbacks to score most of its points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 25, 2008, 08:39:37 PM
Gordon gets a solid win against Husson on the road. They have quietly put together a 5-0 start to the season against some decent competition.

The final score: 88-73.

Greg Walker stepped up and scored 23, while Brady Bajema and Aaron Trigg were also well into double-digits (Trigg had 21).

Gordon ruled the boards, gaining a 10-15 rebound advantage on the game.

The stats will be posted shortly, so we can analyze the game in more detail later.


Importantly, Gordon travels to Endicott for a non-conference matchup next week, and then again on the road, they take on Salem State. These two games will be additional solid tests for a Gordon squad that is dealing with the losses of Marstaller, Kaufman, and Schnackenberg without much pain.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 25, 2008, 10:24:58 PM
Good job by Gordon, not sure about the 'quiet' 5-0 start though.

The Endicott-Gordon games are always interesting, but judging by the Gulls performance, this game could be a blowout in favor of Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: thebizzle on November 25, 2008, 11:13:42 PM
The question really is, if gordon beats endicott and salem state, will they get any votes for top 25?

I realize it has been a while since any CCC Team has gotten votes, but come week 3 of polling things could get interesting. I also know there are some out there that would say take it a game at a time. But i am not a player, I am a fan. Fan-ship allows me the liberty to dream about maybe one team from the CCC getting ranked in my tenure of following CCC basketball.

Also, a question for Hoops? Are top 25 votes based on regional team wins and/or also national team wins? I.E. Gordon beating MIT who is in New England juxtaposed to Gordon beating William Patterson of New Jersey, which win factors more into the voting?

By the way, thank you hoops for chiming in and thank you gary for reppin all they way from CT. I look forward to your impression and thoughts on the gulls when they play down there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 26, 2008, 08:32:43 AM
Gordon got votes for the D3 hoops top 25 in 06-07. They were ranked 24th in the nation in another poll.
It may take a couple more wins even after endicott and salem state to start getting any national recognition. Endicott is a mid level CCC team so thats not going to do much and salem state isn't quite where they have been in the last few years. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on November 26, 2008, 09:58:52 AM
GSMIZZLE, I think you're the man, but I am going to have to disagree off the bat with you.  Endicott, biggest team in The CCC?  When I think biggest team, I think in regards to who actually plays.  Out of Gordon's top 7 leaders in minutes.  Two guys are 6'3, okay nothing special, but then you have 6'7, 6'8, 6'9.
Even if Gordon does committ a few more TO's a game this year, they are out rebounding everybody!  The rebound margin was considerable last night in a big win up at Husson, not an easy road game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 26, 2008, 10:07:23 AM
Word Life,

When I said that EC was the biggest team, it was pretty much an assumption, as I have not seen any of the other teams or their rosters for that matter.  My only info regarding TCCC is that the Gulls have a big team.  I do remember Gordon having some big guys last season, so my bad.  No worries though, I think the Gordon-EC game will be pretty interesting to watch.  Regardless of how each team is playing, its usually a competitive game.  I know I always got more fired up for that game.  TCCC version of Duke-North Carolina.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on November 26, 2008, 11:02:42 AM
Yeah...Gordon-EC you rarely see a blow out, let alone a game that doesn't come down to the final 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 26, 2008, 11:10:37 AM
Last night:

Endicott 56 - Colby 65
Where's the offense?  Graham Whitelaw recorded a career high of 30 points but no one else scored in double digits for the Gulls.  Colby won the battle of the boards 39-27

NEC 65 - Rivier 69
Shane Hennessey had 20 points and 9 boards while Rafael Salado had 19 points of his own.  NEC had 20 turnovers as well.

Anna Maria 64 - Clark 80
Chris Pinsonault had 18 for the Amcats but Clark took 14 more shots as Anna Maria committed 18 turnovers.

RWU 59 - Connecticut College 61 OT
A poor shooting night for Roger Williams (33%) led to their loss.

Gordon 88 - Husson 83
I haven't found any stats yet, but Scout reported on this game last night.

Wentworth 81 - Thomas 84
WIT has lost 3 games by a total of 7 points.  They're struggling to win close games, but they're putting up serious fights in each one (with one exception).  Todd Doyle had 20 points, 7 boards, and 4 assists while Matt Abbott recorded 19 points and pulled down 11 boards.  Shane West with 10 points and 13 boards.  A late 3 by Thomas with 5 seconds left won the game.

Curry 63 - MIT 90
Daniel Singh had 19 points and Mark Mastrullo had 16 points.  However, MIT's Jimmy Bartolotta had 43 points to pace the Engineers.

WNEC 56 - Keene State 88
Michael Kennedy had 14 points and Kyle Fredette had 12 points with 14 boards but 18 turnovers for WNEC and 35.8% shooting led to their loss.

UNE 49 - Bowdoin 63
Bowdoin is a good team so this wasn't a shock.  Jefferson had 16 points for the Noreasters.  UNE shot 8-37 from 3-PT range.  Just goes to prove that they're very guard heavy.

Eastern Naz 63 - Lesley 61
The long range shot was good for Eastern Naz yesterday.  Alex Carr had 16 points (4-8 from 3-pt) and Jimmy Gray had 15 points (3-3 from 3-pt).

Salve 81 - Suffolk 48
Windell Hinkson had 22 points to lead Salve

TCCC on the night was 4-7
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 26, 2008, 11:39:39 AM
Tuesday's best:  Graham Whitelaw, Endicott; 30 points (11-18, 5-5 from 3-pt) in 35 minutes

Tuesday's worst:  Corey Fava, Roger Williams; 2 points (1-5, 0-2 from 3-pt), 5 rebounds in 37 minutes
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 26, 2008, 11:42:43 PM
 I would like to wish everyone a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving!  Do not eat to much.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on November 28, 2008, 10:44:19 PM
Clearly Gordon has jumped ahead out of the gate.  Wide open after that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 29, 2008, 09:58:21 AM
Only two games on the docket for today.

RWU travels to the Coast Guard Academy - 1 PM EST
Endicott travels to Danbury, CT for the Western Connecticut State Tourney... They face Medgar Evans in the first round - 8 PM EST

Action picks up next week...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 30, 2008, 12:14:32 PM
Got to see the Gulls play for the first time this year, and got to see them get a win.  Medgar Evers is not a good team and the game was a little sloppy as a result.  That being said, I saw some good things from EC, specifically the big guys.  Justin Martin and Eric Callo combined for 7 blocks, which was nice to see.  Pretty good defense for the Gulls, although the refs were calling a very tight game.  It will be a lot more telling when they play WestConn today.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gsmizzle22 on November 30, 2008, 08:20:24 PM
Big win for the Gulls today over Western Connecticut.  Bobby Montrond hit a 3 with .2 on the clock to put them ahead for good.  More good defense too, holding WestConn to 29% from the field.  Montrond did real well in the second half, playing with 4 fouls for the last 12 minutes, playing his trademark tough "D".  Whitelaw had another good game and Ross Stewart played yet another solid game.  I was impressed with the team and I think it puts them in a good frame of mind for Thursday's game against Gordon.  I'm looking forward to getting to see the latest edition of the rivalry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 01, 2008, 10:06:42 AM
One game tonight:

UNE hosts Colby at 7:30 PM EST.

At this point in the season, the standings don't mean too much because conference play has yet to begin. With that said, it is beneficial to take a look at who is doing well and who is under-performing.

.     Gordon                                   5-0
   Regis                                  3-1
   Endicott                                  4-2
   Colby-Sawyer                          2-2
   Eastern Nazarene                  2-2
   Nichols                                  2-2
   Anna Maria                          2-3
   Roger Williams                  2-3
   Salve Regina                          2-3
   University of New England     1-3
   Western New England          1-3
   Wentworth                          1-4
   New England College          1-5
   Curry                                  0-4

Now, records don't account difficulty of the opponent, but it is safe to officially say that the CCC is going to experience a down year in terms of playing outside the conference. We can close the door on that comment, as many people have already mentioned it. Let's move on. We have a few more non-conference matchups in the coming few weeks and then a winter break followed by the beginning of TCCC scheduling.

It might still be a little too early to discuss intra-conference matchups, but here's to hoping that these early games help to gel some of the teams at the bottom of the conference so we can have some decent games come January and February.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2008, 11:50:37 AM

Looks like cause for worry at Curry.  They've played pretty poorly to open the season, including losing to a Lesley team that ENC beat just a couple days later.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on December 01, 2008, 11:56:36 AM
Very impressive win at WCSU for Endicott.  If Montrond, Stewart, or one of the bigs can provide some consistent scoring to Whitelaw they are going to be very tough in league play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 01, 2008, 12:07:04 PM
Endicott should have won the game by 10+ and may have had Montrod not gotten into foul trouble.  WCSU has some athletic guards, but not a great team overall this year.  I like Endicott's starting five but their bench scares me.  For them to make some noise this year they will need a freshman or two to gel quickly and begin to step up as they get more games under their belt.  I think their meeting with Gordon Thursday night will be much more telling of their potential this season than the win over WCSU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on December 01, 2008, 04:01:12 PM
UNE hosting Colby tonight...any chance for the Nor'easters?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 01, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
We could probably get the scoop from a UNE poster, but I suspect they ran out of words that rhyme with "tab" to sign off on their posts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 01, 2008, 06:39:12 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on December 01, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
We could probably get the scoop from a UNE poster, but I suspect they ran out of words that rhyme with "tab" to sign off on their posts.

Just when I had somehow forgotten about that.... It comes back to haunt me...

UNE has a new coach who brought a bunch of guys from Texas with him. They're pretty small and will live by the jumper... And thereby, die by the jumper...

Or so I've heard
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 01, 2008, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on December 01, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
We could probably get the scoop from a UNE poster, but I suspect they ran out of words that rhyme with "tab" to sign off on their posts.

UNE gets big win against Colby 88-77
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 01, 2008, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: scout on December 01, 2008, 06:39:12 PM
Quote from: dwebbs on December 01, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
We could probably get the scoop from a UNE poster, but I suspect they ran out of words that rhyme with "tab" to sign off on their posts.

Just when I had somehow forgotten about that.... It comes back to haunt me...

UNE has a new coach who brought a bunch of guys from Texas with him. They're pretty small and will live by the jumper... And thereby, die by the jumper...

Or so I've heard

They may be small, but man can they run!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 01, 2008, 10:14:59 PM
UNE

overrated

clap clap clap clap clap

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 01, 2008, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on December 01, 2008, 10:14:59 PM
UNE

overrated

clap clap clap clap clap


wow...that's a really good response
I think we did that in grade school
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 02, 2008, 09:40:48 AM
Am I seeing things?
Gordon with 40 votes for Top 25. Tied for 27th in the nation currently.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 02, 2008, 09:41:12 AM
Yes. Finally, some emotion. I can't wait until conference match ups finally start. Then we can really start trashing UNE.

In the mean time, we have non-con Gordon/Endicott Thursday night. Check out what I found on Facebook (and no, it's not a print off raffle ticket for an iPod).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoFYX-Oc_Bw

This rivalry is getting.... high tech.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 02, 2008, 09:46:14 AM
Congratulations to Gordon!!!  If they can get to Christmas break undefeated they should crack the top 25.  The CCC may be down top to bottom, but this is still very impressive, and great for the conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 02, 2008, 01:58:46 PM
Over the weekend, Roger Williams also defeated Coast Guard on the road (68-62).  Too bad we don't have anyone representing the Hawks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 02, 2008, 02:07:24 PM
All this talk about a weak CCC this year yet 3 big out of conference wins by the Hawks, Gulls, and Nor'Easters the past few days, and Gordon's emergence as one of the top 30 teams in the country.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 02, 2008, 06:18:56 PM
Tonight's games/Games currently being played:

New England College vs. Keene State (neutral site - NHTI Tourney)     5:30 p.m.
Anna Maria at   Coast Guard      6:00 p.m.
Roger Williams   at Salve Regina      7:00 p.m.
Western New England at Elms         7:00 p.m.
Regis hosts Newbury         7:00 p.m.
Eastern Nazarene vs. Wheelock (neutral site)      7:00 p.m.
Curry hosts WPI         7:00 p.m.
Colby-Sawyer vs. Plymouth State (neutral site - NHTI Tourney)   7:30 p.m.
Wentworth hosts Becker       7:30 p.m.
Nichols at Worcester State            8:00 p.m.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 02, 2008, 08:26:30 PM
At the half:  Wentworth 40 - Becker 51

Wentworth has more turnovers (17) than made shots (16)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 02, 2008, 09:58:10 PM
Wentworth 80 - Becker 103

WIT actually finished with more turnovers than shots made. The best way I could describe this game is a car crash that you can't look away from.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2008, 10:40:32 PM

CSC took out Plymouth State handily.  CSC has all their talent back with a lot of potential; perhaps they can make waves after all.


Curry lost another bad one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 02, 2008, 10:43:23 PM
The 87-83 final doesn't tell the true tale of the game Colby-Sawyer really took it to PSU lead by Szeliga and Rosso
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 03, 2008, 11:31:18 AM
Last night's action:

NEC 56 - Keena State 91
Shane Hennessey did his best with 18 points and 12 boards, but NEC lost the battle of the boards and just about every battle you could imagine.

Anna Maria 70 - Coast Guard 89
Was this a necessary match-up for Coast Guard?

Eastern Naz 66 - Wheelock 74
I'll allow the Eastern Naz posters to tell us about this one.

WNEC 66 - #16 Elms 82
Good for WNEC for scheduling tough opponents.  Kyle Fredette did his best with 24 points and 17 boards, but Elms shot 47% on the night.

Roger Williams 69 - Salve 66

Regis 57 - Newbury 53
Derrick Neal scored 19 points and pulled down 7 boards to lead his team to victory.

Curry 51 - WPI 67
Another tough loss for the defending champions, but their strength of schedule must be very high.

Becker 103 - Wentworth 81
As a touched on last night, a lot of turnovers for WIT in this one.  Todd Doyle did everything he could to carry this team, 28 points, but it wasn't enough.

Colby-Sawyer 87 - Plymouth 83
Strong showing by CSC's starting 5 and 55% shooting on the night gave Colby-Sawyer the win on the road.

Nichols 75 - Worcester State 82
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 03, 2008, 11:37:42 AM
Tuesday's best:  Todd Doyle, Wentworth: 28 points (10-12, 3-4 PT, 5-5 FT) and 4 assists in 33 minutes

Tuesday's worst:  Chris Smith, Nichols: 0 points (0-5) in 23 minutes
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on December 03, 2008, 12:14:24 PM
I have been reading a lot of posts before I commented because I wanted to make sure I got a large sample of how many feel about the UNE team.  I went to UNE years ago, did not play, but was always a fan of the team so I won't hide my connections.  The team has been down for as long as I can remember and the athletic program in general until the school finally started taking athletics more seriously and hired an AD that wanted to make changes and move in a different direction.  This is not a slam on the previous staff or coaches, they did the best they could with the best intentions.  Now UNE has changed the culture in all sports including basketball.  They hired a coach who has seen success in Indiana who might now be seen as an outsider with no ties to the New England area.  He then recruited outsiders as well, getting players from all over the country.  I thought this was a great way to shake things up, change the culture, and possibly become more successful on the court.  As soon as the wins came I thought there might be some doubters or naysayers, but overall who would not be happy for an underdog team fighting to the top of the conference?  That does not seem to be the case.  There is a lot of venom out there for what the new coach is doing and the players he is bringing in.  Some have said that the staff recruits players that can get it done on the court, but not in the classroom.  Really? They had one player from last year's team that could not play the first semester because of grades (the previous coach recruited him), and another who could not play the second semester.  That never happened at Endicott or Gordon or any other TCCC team?  There is also talk about how athletic they are, but they can't win and will choke when the pressure is on.  I guess that is a fair judgment, but you could say that about any college team in any division, young men at any level in college can have a hard time in pressure situations, they are all young student-athletes and not professional athletes.  Why does UNE stick out as a team that can run you out of the gym, but in the final minutes can't get it done?  There seems to be some feelings under the surface of many (not all) of the posts on this website that need to be examined further.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 03, 2008, 12:31:43 PM
What are you talking about...?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 03, 2008, 12:53:30 PM
i think you may be looking a little too deep into what the overall sentiment is toward UNE.
they were a terrible team who hired a coach who somehow was able to convince a number of talented, athletic players from Texas to come play in Biddeford, ME. Now they are better. Thats it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 03, 2008, 02:29:10 PM
I'm not entirely sure there is a 'lot of venom' being spat at UNE for whatever reason.

As yeah buddy just mentioned, it is difficult to accurately assess a team with a brand new coach and a bunch of brand new players... players who we haven't even seen play high school ball in the area.

It is a logical sequence to follow as an outside observer of collegiate sports to be skeptical of a historically underperforming program after a complete overhaul of the system.

If UNE comes out and wins nine or 10 games in the conference, I'm sure you'll see a lot of praise for a new culture posited from a new coach and new players.

Until then, let's just wait and see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 03, 2008, 07:46:58 PM
In shorter terms a textbook attempt at a "quick fix" of the program..and as mentioned no one really knows what will happen until conference play begins
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 03, 2008, 08:21:54 PM
I've seen UNE play and I like their style.  They just have almost no inside presence on the defensive end.  Numerous times this year they've given up big points to forwards and centers.  That being said, they may be the fastest team in the league and it will equate to wins.  Even though they have a lot of new players, they all know how to play, and with each other.  They're my pick to win the CCC but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they lost to an Endicott or a CSC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 03, 2008, 09:17:52 PM
Quote from: Word Life on December 03, 2008, 12:31:43 PM
What are you talking about...?
just look at dwebbs last post about trashing une
I don't see anybody talking about "trashing" other teams.
I also don't understand the venom
We talk about how "weak" our conference is and then when a new coach raises the standard at one of our conference schools, we trash them?...I don't get it
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 03, 2008, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: YeahBoss on December 03, 2008, 12:14:24 PM
I have been reading a lot of posts before I commented because I wanted to make sure I got a large sample of how many feel about the UNE team.  I went to UNE years ago, did not play, but was always a fan of the team so I won't hide my connections.  The team has been down for as long as I can remember and the athletic program in general until the school finally started taking athletics more seriously and hired an AD that wanted to make changes and move in a different direction.  This is not a slam on the previous staff or coaches, they did the best they could with the best intentions.  Now UNE has changed the culture in all sports including basketball.  They hired a coach who has seen success in Indiana who might now be seen as an outsider with no ties to the New England area.  He then recruited outsiders as well, getting players from all over the country.  I thought this was a great way to shake things up, change the culture, and possibly become more successful on the court.  As soon as the wins came I thought there might be some doubters or naysayers, but overall who would not be happy for an underdog team fighting to the top of the conference?  That does not seem to be the case.  There is a lot of venom out there for what the new coach is doing and the players he is bringing in.  Some have said that the staff recruits players that can get it done on the court, but not in the classroom.  Really? They had one player from last year's team that could not play the first semester because of grades (the previous coach recruited him), and another who could not play the second semester.  That never happened at Endicott or Gordon or any other TCCC team?  There is also talk about how athletic they are, but they can't win and will choke when the pressure is on.  I guess that is a fair judgment, but you could say that about any college team in any division, young men at any level in college can have a hard time in pressure situations, they are all young student-athletes and not professional athletes.  Why does UNE stick out as a team that can run you out of the gym, but in the final minutes can't get it done?  There seems to be some feelings under the surface of many (not all) of the posts on this website that need to be examined further.

AMEN...AMEN...AMEN!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2008, 09:58:54 PM
Quote from: backboard on December 03, 2008, 11:31:18 AM
Eastern Naz 66 - Wheelock 74
I'll allow the Eastern Naz posters to tell us about this one.


Wheelock is a girls school and as an alum, I can assure you that ENC students have always been afraid of girls.  This was inevitable.  On another note, all of my contacts are now gone, so unless I move back to New England, I'll know no more than anyone else.  I will, however, let you know if they go with my suggestion for the new mascot.


Might I also comment on the long rant - I'm not sure anyone would question any athlete's ability to perform in the classroom at UNE.  The school doesn't exactly have the reputation of being the Harvard of Maine.

I hope UNE does well.  They really need it with all the talk recently about them bailing on the conference.  Being competitive this season will really help.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 03, 2008, 10:20:35 PM
Attention everyone: There will no longer be any criticism allowed of UNE men's basketball. Thank you.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 03, 2008, 10:33:16 PM
Okay, what confused me was not YeahBoss's general argument.  I agree, UNE does seem to get ragged on.  I am not a huge fan of UNE, but I have kept my thoughts to myself.  And they have done an excellent job recruiting the last two years, getting solid talent, and putting together a team that can compete for one of the top four spots in the league come February.

My statement was directed more so towards the sub-arguments.  Two different kids last year had to miss a semester due to lack of performance in the class room.  That does not support the argument that UNE gets it done in the class room.  Now, I know those two kids don't represent the entire team and I am not saying UNE Basketball is comprised of student-athletes who lack intelligence...but the argument just made no sense to me.  And secondly, to be a championship caliber team at any level in college you can't accept it is okay to "choke."  So, student-athletes or professional athletes, CHOKING IN PRESSURE SITUATIONS IS NOT OKAY...if you want to win.

And ccc fanatic, are you implying the UNE coach has raised the standard for the conference or for the school?  I would venture a guess you meant for the school.  And I agree with you.  It's great for the school and for The CCC Men's Basketball.

Lastly, I like backboard's bold pick of UNE to take home the ship.  However, I personally think Gordon and CSC are on another level compared to the rest of the conference, with Roger Williams and possibly UNE (it's a new group of guys so we'll have to wait and see) trying to keep up.  My pick to win the conference is Gordon, I am biased, I will admit.  But at the same time I know the league and I truly believe Aaron Trigg is the best player in The CCC.  I also think Gordon's front line is unparalleled by any other team's big men.  And Aaron Trigg's running mate Bajema is the real deal, as I think most of us already know.  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 03, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
Quote from: Word Life on December 03, 2008, 10:33:16 PM
And ccc fanatic, are you implying the UNE coach has raised the standard for the conference or for the school?  I would venture a guess you meant for the school.  And I agree with you.  It's great for the school and for The CCC Men's Basketball.

Yes...I meant the team, not the conference...thanks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 04, 2008, 09:39:19 AM
I would agree that UNE's moves may be considered a quick fix to the program, unless they are able to win a championship and start getting regional recognition.  But until then, we'll just have to wait and see. They will most definitely be a fun team to watch.
As far as the classroom is concerned, I can tell you that UNE would definitely fall in the category of safety school. But if they all stay eligible then there really isn't anything anyone can say. I don't think anyone wants to see UNE fail or any of the players get in trouble. That's not the issue. It is just a surprising move for the school. A roster that has been predominantly composed of New England players is all of a sudden starting to resemble a Texas state school. Its just a drastic change that raises some eyebrows.
All in all, it will be interesting to see how thye do and how the CCC turns out this year as a whole.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on December 04, 2008, 09:43:05 AM
*Welcome To The Jungle* Plays

Clones...what is up. Back to business in the The T-C-C-C with the T as always being redundant if you also say "the".

*long pause*


What in the name of Andrew St. Clair is going on in our fair league. Gordon might be ok.

UNE is bringing a cast of thousands out of the Southland... they are also apparently rocking it in the class room, from here on out I'm going to refer to UNE only as the HOM. (Harvard Of Maine). Great gloss provided by the Hoops Fan himself. Great Gloss.

Meanwhile up in Colby-Sayer the Chargers were the pre season number one and Duncan Szeliga and Dave Rosso should be enough on any given night to beat anyone...rack em.

Lets read an email:

"Van Smack....I miss Gary Corbett.....signed Gary Corbett....war James Bartelle posts"

Very nice.

*shuffles papers*

And what about Wentworth. They gave up a hundo spot the other night. You'd think the O would fall off with Sherrad Prezzie-Blue not in the stable but they can't seem to stop anyone. That can't be sitting well in that warehouse they call a gym.

We'll be back after the break with some phone calls and an interview with Mike Plansky.

But first the Huge TCCC Email of the Day

"Dear Jim,

If UNE gets to be the "Harvard Of Maine" does that make us the "Duke of The North Shore"

signed Endicott fans who think they go to a good school

war Gordon not being nearly as great as they think either

-The Rest of The CCC"


Wow that is some strong smack.

As always clones all in fun. We'll see ya next time.



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2008, 10:00:36 AM
Priceless
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2008, 10:11:26 AM
Quote from: Word Life on December 03, 2008, 10:33:16 PM
But at the same time I know the league and I truly believe Aaron Trigg is the best player in The CCC.

I wouldn't go that far just yet, but he's certainly top 5
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 04, 2008, 10:42:45 AM
it'd be hard to find someone better..
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 04, 2008, 02:15:34 PM
Please backboard, enlighten me with a player in The CCC who is better.  The kid leads the team in scoring and assists, and guards the opposing teams best player every game.  And I don't think people are appreciating his ability to run the point when he is naturally a 2-guard and hasn't played anything but the 2 until this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 04, 2008, 04:09:49 PM
First things first..welcome back "Jim Rome of the CCC" I live for your postings

Secondly..I think UNE is a bold pick to take the championship this year, mostly because of the fact that as has been stated, they lack the down low defense and Colby-Sawyer and Gordon both have the big boys to get it done downstairs, which will lead to an ever so interesting match-up when they play each other deep in the conference tournament. Also, their low free throw percentage should be a concern, if they can't turn that round then it will kill them in the playoffs.

As for Trigg, he is a great player that much is true, but can you really throw him above Wentworth's Todd Doyle? Kid's been killing it since he was a freshman

Finally another word on my Chargers, Matt Lemieux is playing great selfless ball but as shown in the Plymouth State game (dropping 13 on 5 of 6 shooting) he can put the biscuit in the basket when his team needs it. One of the most under-rated players in the TCCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 04, 2008, 04:46:20 PM
It's a slow day at the station, so I looked did some research.

Trigg vs. Doyle. the numbers this year are pretty even. Doyle has the advantage in FG and FT percentage. Trigg is doing better in assists. The tie breaker? Doyle and the Leopards are 1-5. Trigg has led Gordon to impressive wins over MIT, William Patterson, and away vs. Husson. Not a knock on TD, but Trigg's numbers have resulted in wins (Plus everything Word Life mentioned).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2008, 06:03:59 PM
Exactly. Todd Doyle is my choice. He's the best pure shooter in the league and the main focus of every opposing defense.

How about this as a tie-breaker?  Doyle has a championship
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 04, 2008, 06:45:20 PM
A few things to mention in regards to the Doyle-Trigg POY issue.

First of all, while Doyle does have a championship, the POY is given on a yearly basis, so past performance is/should be no determinant in the race for the 2008-09 POY.

Second, Doyle has played against far inferior competition compared to Trigg. Gordon has faced a number of top programs and, still, has produced the stats you see at the moment. Of course, it will be easier to tell the difference once conference play starts, but that fact that Trigg is putting up those numbers against some solid teams in the Northeast is important to realize.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 04, 2008, 07:42:24 PM
Doyle is a great player and will be a first team all-conference guard in the league this year.  He IS NOT the player Aaron Trigg is though.  If you want to do a tie-breaker looking into past seasons, Trigg was second team all-conference last year when Doyle was only third team all-conference.  And Doyle didn't have Jon Marstaller on his team to potentially steal votes from him.  So according to the coaches of The CCC, they were saying Trigg is a better player.
Next, and what I think is the biggest factor, Trigg is by far the superior defender.  And what does everyone say wins basketball games class?  Defense.  And just like Doyle, Trigg is the main focus of every team's defense as well, so that is an irrelevant argument.

Lastly, I might have to go with Bajema as the best pure shooter in the league.  The percentages are slightly in his favor, but it is too early in the year to look at any type of percentages.  Both kids can stroke it, that is for sure.

But anyway, in the wise, wise words of Ron Burgundy, some of us may just have to "agree to disagree" for now and see where the season takes us.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 04, 2008, 08:39:35 PM
At the end of regulation, 50-50 in the Gordon-Endicott game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2008, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Word Life on December 04, 2008, 07:42:24 PM
And Doyle didn't have Jon Marstaller on his team to potentially steal votes from him.  So according to the coaches of The CCC, they were saying Trigg is a better player.

Right, Doyle only had Sherrad Prezzie-Blue, the best player in the league, to take votes away from him.  Or do you want to tell me that Kaufman was better?  Then again Doyle was injured all last year so he didn't have the same impact he normally would.  Jon Marstaller wasn't even Honorable Mention last year, talk about over-rated
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 04, 2008, 09:07:28 PM
Gordon walks out of Endicott with a one point win in overtime.

In rivalries, you can't really make any criticisms or outright praises of a team. We've all seen UNC-Duke, Kansas-Mizzou, USC-UCLA, etc... Most of the time, it doesn't matter who has the better squad, the game itself takes over. Those who saw tonight's matchup know exactly the metaphor that has been drawn.

Nevertheless, a win for Gordon and a loss for Endicott.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2008, 09:22:30 PM
Congrats to Gordon on their victory.  And good for Aaron Trigg for making me eat my words tonight
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 04, 2008, 09:23:56 PM
backboard, that is the point exactly.  Doyle had only Prezzie to compete with for votes, Trigg had two other players and still got voted higher in the all-conference selections.  And if you are going to try and say Jon Marstaller was over rated after the career he had then go right ahead, I won't have to tell anyone how crazy that is because anyone who knows anything about TCCC basketball knows that kid had a great career.

Moving on, great win for Gordon tonight in a great basketball environment...if they can get Salem State Saturday, say hello to the top 25.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 04, 2008, 09:38:21 PM
I'm going to have to agree in full that Doyle had more trouble with SPB stealing votes from him than Trigg did with Marstaller....c'mon guys


Also while a win is a win for Gordon, a one point overtime job against Endicott isn't exactly keeping up with the "great wins against great teams" theme. Perhaps this is a sign that Endicott is better than the 6th place finish they were picked to have. Also, if you're keeping track there at home sports fans they beat Southern Maine who beat UNE. As interesting as this "non-conference" game turned out to be, I'd say Endicott's going to surprise some people and/or Gordon's got a long road ahead so let's not crown them the class of TCCC quite yet, top 25 votes aside.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 04, 2008, 09:40:56 PM
What doesn't make sense here guys?  Trigg was competing for votes with two player, Doyle was competing for votes with one...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 04, 2008, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on December 04, 2008, 09:38:21 PM
Also while a win is a win for Gordon, a one point overtime job against Endicott isn't exactly keeping up with the "great wins against great teams" theme.

Rivalries are a completely different story. We all know this. Drop it and let's agree that Endicott has a solid team that will win many games this year and Gordon keeps finding a way to win games.

In other news in TCCC....

Roger Williams      55      Wheaton (Mass.)      75        
Coast Guard    73    Wentworth    60       
Anna Maria    66    Becker    104       
Gordon    67    Endicott    66      
Wheelock    71    Curry    78       
Salve Regina    48    Johnson & Wales    52

Nichols and NEC haven't posted scores yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 04, 2008, 09:49:54 PM
Endicott is going to be good. I was looking at the conference stats today, and so far, defense has been their M.O.  They'll make some noise, but what scout is saying holds water. Last year, Gordon had a better year and better seniors than EC, and came out of Beverly with a one point win. So for GC to win again tonight, in a game like that, on the road, in overtime, is impressive. How else do you explain ENC beating Gordon last year?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2008, 09:53:55 PM
How do you know that Weonard Bynes wasn't contending for votes?  Him, also like Marstaller, didn't receive any awards but was a huge part of the Wentworth team
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 04, 2008, 09:57:42 PM
Bynes???  C'mon dude, other than a couple nice dunks a game the kid didn't provide much to talk about.  He was a serious highlight reel, but he was no all-conference caliber player...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2008, 10:02:02 PM
You're right, he wasn't the most consistent player.  But to say he's not much to talk about is wrong.  Ask Coach Schauer if he wasn't much.  Marstaller overall had a better career, absolutely no argument there.  But Bynes was a better inside defensive presence, ask Mike Herr.  Or ask Scout
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 04, 2008, 10:07:54 PM
Okay, maybe a strong statement on my part.  He was a good player and any team in the league would have loved to have him.  But I guess my point is he still was not an all-conference caliber player, he definitely wasn't.  And Mr. Mike Herr loved guys who were post defenders, he wanted to stay outside and drain trey's all day.  But I will ask scout.

Scout, can you really even put Bynes and Marstaller in the same sentence?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 04, 2008, 10:33:19 PM
We're getting away from the point here and instead, are referencing one play that happened at least two years ago.

Last year, Trigg outscored Doyle by over two points a game, shot over three percent better, made 46 more three's, and had more assists and steals. As a result, the coaches picked him as a second team all conference player. Doyle was third team. Some how, I doubt a block by Bynes factored into that.

This year, I already said, the stats are close. I think we're talking about the best player in the conference, not who has had the best career.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 04, 2008, 10:38:28 PM
Fine.  Doyle is the main offense threat on his team.  He has ONE other player he can really pass the ball too, that's it.  How many does Trigg have?  You tell me.  Therefore, every single defense he goes against is geared to stop Todd Doyle.  That maybe the case for Aaron Trigg as well, but I guarantee you that changes a lot quicker than the execution against Doyle.  They're both great players, probably the two best in the league.  Let's just allow conference play determine the 'better player.'
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 04, 2008, 11:00:17 PM
Let's try to settle a few of the issues here. (I love the banter, btw)

Quote from: Word Life on December 04, 2008, 10:07:54 PMScout, can you really even put Bynes and Marstaller in the same sentence?

You just did. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

In any case, there needs to be a distinction between Bynes and Marstaller. Marstaller, I believe, was the more 'complete player' in the sense that he could score, rebound, and impose himself defensively. Before I go any further, let me also say that for the most part Bynes was more dynamic on the defensive side. He altered shots at big points in the game and offenses tended to shy away from him in their game plans at these points.

Nevertheless, Marstaller had one heck of a package in terms of range, mobility, and knowledge of the game. While I believe Bynes was the better defender, it's hard to question the impact that Marstaller had on the game on both ends of the ball going against the likes of St. Clair and Marinkovic.

Moving on...

Quote from: dwebbs on December 04, 2008, 10:33:19 PM
We're getting away from the point here and instead, are referencing one play that happened at least two years ago.

...

This year, I already said, the stats are close. I think we're talking about the best player in the conference, not who has had the best career.

This is exactly the point. Once again, the Player of the Year award is presented every year and is not dependent upon the overall body of work for a given player over the period of his career. Rather, it is solely measured upon the body of work for said given year.

The following is from TCCC Handbook, published in August 2008:

"Prior to the final regular season conference game, the conference office will send institutional sports information directors a form on which coaches will indicate nominees from their team for the all-conference teams and for each of the major individual awards....

Following the final regular-season conference game, the conference office will send institutional sports information directors a ballot listing all the nominees for the all-conference team and for each of the individual awards. Along with the ballot, the conference office will provide a report listing conference-only statistics for each of the nominees.

Coaches will be required to fax a signed and completed ballot back to the conference office by a specified deadline. Coaches may not vote for their own student-athletes and are required to vote for the specified number of individuals as designated on the ballot. A 'no-vote' will not be permitted.

Failure by a coach to submit a properly completed ballot by the balloting deadline may render student-athletes from his or her team ineligible from all-conference or major individual award recognition."

I hope this clarifies a bit of how the voting goes down and some of the nuances in how the major awards are delegated.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 04, 2008, 11:06:35 PM
Congrats to Gordon on their win tonight.  If I didnt miss anyone, Gordon is one of three remaining undefeated teams in the northeast (Amherst and Elms are the others).

In addition there has been alot of losses by teams ranked in the 17-25 range, so they could make an appearance in the top 25 on monday IF they beat a really tough Salem State team this weekend.  This game is huge for Gordon. As you all probably know, Salem State beat previously unbeaten WPI tonight, and has also handed Bowdoin their only loss of the season.  This could be a signature non-conference win for Gordon.  Salem State is probably the best team Gordon will play all season (although I am not familiar with Northwestern in MN).

Good luck on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 04, 2008, 11:10:25 PM
The two final scores are in...

Connecticut Col.      81      Nichols      79         
Newbury    83    New England Col.    67

Overall, TCCC went 2-7.

Not including the one intra-conference game of Gordon-Endicott (non-conference), TCCC went 1-6. A rough night indeed.

TCCC teams (again not including Endicott or Gordon) posted a total of 453 points, while allowing 539. Divided by the seven games, that's an average loss of 77 to 65.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 04, 2008, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2008, 11:06:35 PM
Congrats to Gordon on their win tonight.  If I didnt miss anyone, Gordon is one of three remaining undefeated teams in the northeast (Amherst and Elms are the others).

In addition there has been alot of losses by teams iranked n the 17-25 range, so they could make an appearance in the top 25 on monday IF they beat a really tough Salem State team this weekend.  This game is huge for Gordon. As you all probably know, Salem State beat previously unbeaten WPI tonight, and has also handed Bowdoin their only loss of the season.  This could be a signature non-conference win for Gordon.  Salem State is probably the best team Gordon will play all season (although I am not familiar with Northwestern in MN).

Good luck on Saturday.

Thanks for the post. We always appreciate it when TCCC gets some outside acknowledgment.

Salem State is always a rough game, but fortunately it's a home matchup, where Gordon is on a 17-1 tear (including last season, if I'm correct). It'll be exciting no matter what. Gordon will have a link on their athletics website to watch the game live, so be sure to pass the word around for those who want a chance to take a look at some solid teams (voters especially).

Anyway, in answer to your question about Northwestern, they are a newly converted NAIA team to DIII. They have a decent program and the coach sets up some good gameplans. They actually traveled to Gordon last year and played a game that Gordon won. Coach Schauer at Gordon and the Northwestern coach have some ties somewhere.

Anyway, thanks again.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 04, 2008, 11:27:33 PM
No problem.  I really think this game means alot to Gordon for the rest of the season.  It will be a game people inside and outside the northeast use to measure them the rest of the season (with the emergence as Salem State as a top team).  We saw what happened to Emerson last year (24-5), who lost in their conference tourney but didnt get an at large bid because of the weak GNAC, even though they had wins against Babson, William Patterson, MIT, and Lasell.  If Salem State continues to play well and Gordon can get a W on Saturday, it could mean a lot later on.

It may help if you could get those same refs from the MIT game ;), just kidding.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 05, 2008, 12:51:47 AM
backboard,
as much as I vouch for Trigg as the best player in this league I can absolutely see the argument with Doyle. he is indeed a good player and we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.

but the bynes/marstaller comparison...c'mon...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 05, 2008, 01:52:35 AM
We're both obviously biased which is great, but just take a look at the numbers.  Here are the numbers in the 6 head-to-head matchups between Bynes and Marstaller:

Bynes--> 9.5 points, 7.5 boards
Marstaller-->  11.6 points, 5.1 boards

Although Marstaller played against WIT 7 times, Bynes was absent from one game.  If you factor the numbers from that game, Marstaller's adjusted line would be 12.2 points, 5.4 rebounds.

The discrepancy is basically 2 points and 2 boards.  The comparison isn't so ridiculous as you may think.

Now Bynes only scored 542 points in his career.  Marstaller easily doubled him.  But you couldn't blame Bynes for being in a guard system and cudous for Marstaller for scoring 1000+. 

I just realized Bynes was only a three year player.  He was also injured quite frequently and I doubt Marstaller missed more than 5 games, if any, in his career.

Who's the better rebounder?  If you say Marstaller you haven't seen Bynes play.

Overall, sure Marstaller might be better.  But it's hardly over-whelming
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 05, 2008, 09:06:56 AM
bynes was good and a dominant force at times.
Marstaller was a first team all conference, preseason honorable mention all american caliber player who scored right around 1500 points in his career.
good win for Gordon. saturday against salem state will be a great test.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 05, 2008, 11:21:30 AM
Last night:

Roger Williams 55 - Wheaton 75
Billy Barrett had 17 points but was the only player for RWU to score in double digits.

Wentworth 60 - Coast Guard 73
WIT was able to slow down potential All-American Craig Johnson but let everyone else score.  Shane West scored 15 with 8 boards and rookie Brendan Monteiro recorded 13 points and 6 assists.

Gordon 76 - Endicott 66
Trigg with 24 and Greg Walker with 14.  For Endicott, Stewart and Whitelaw had 22 and 21 respectively.

Curry 78 - Wheelock 71
The first win of the year for the defending champs.  Quashed Simmons led the way with 25 and Mark Marstrullo right behind him with 23.

Anna Maria 66 - Becker 104
Back to back games for Becker scoring more than 100.

Salve Regina 48 - Johnson and Wales 52

Nichols 79 - Conn. College 81
Chris Paquin scored 20 but hot shooting by Connecticut won the game.

NEC 67 - Newbury 83
Good scoring by the starters for NEC, but no bench means no win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 05, 2008, 11:26:52 AM
Thursday's best:  Few candidates for this one-->  Trigg, Whitelaw, Barrett, Simmons, Mastrullo, or Paquin. Take your pick

Thursday's worst:  Michael Connery, Curry.  3 points (1-7, 1-6 3-PT) and 4 fouls in 31 minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 05, 2008, 04:21:24 PM
I was out all day and see I missed some lovely banter...

A lot of great performances last night from individual players, I will go with the player who carried his team late in the game and got the W.

The Bynes/Marstaller discussion, I do completely understand your argument for Bynes backboard.  He was a more dominant rebounder and defender.  Marstaller was a much more complete player though, as I think scout mentioned.  When you think of TCCC big men in the past few years the first name to come to mind is obviously St. Clair, after that I think you have a select class which includes guys like Baranger, Nemanja, Marstaller and a few others.  Bynes is not in that class by any means.  He was definitely a solid player, but he didn't single-handlely win games for his team at times like the previously mentioned players did.

Tomorrow nights game has huge regional, and potential at-large bid implications for both teams (Gordon vs. Salem State).  Gordon should be playing with a little bit of a chip on their shoulder after the tough loss they suffered to Salem State two years ago at home, which their Junior class was around for.  Should be a great game and a fun one to watch for those who get to see it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 05, 2008, 05:46:18 PM
Bynes was also about 6'3 playing in the post, only played 3 years and helped an underdog team win a conference tournament.

I think Gordon's strength has always been it's guards (logan in particular in that era) and a lot of what Marstaller got was due to the abundance of talented guards.

As for this year, I think Trigg-Doyle will be an ongoing discussion
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 05, 2008, 08:19:14 PM
UNE beats Fort Kent 96-85 in Paul Bunyan Tournament
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 06, 2008, 05:55:40 PM
UNE wins Paul Bunyan tournament against Husson 74-71
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 06, 2008, 08:54:34 PM
Gordon down by 2 at the half, 29-27
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2008, 09:08:46 PM

Has there really been a two page argument centering around the career merits of Weonard Bynes?

Gosh, I need to find a new conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 06, 2008, 09:25:30 PM
Are your comments really worthy of merit when you haven't seen him play?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 06, 2008, 09:43:54 PM
Gordon loses to Salem State.  It actually would have been nice to see a Top 25 CCC team.  Perhaps it would given  the conference some credibility
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 07, 2008, 06:26:12 PM
Last night Colby-Sawyer 85-72 over Worcester State in Hockenberry Tournament

Matt Lemieux continues a great season under the radar with 23 and 9
Will Bardaglio with 16 points and Jon Chaloux with 12

Today Colby Sawyer 74 Norwich 58 to win Hockenberry Tournament

Andrew Cousins 21 points on 7 of 13 shooting
Duncan Szeliga with 20 points and Dave Rosso with 12

Szeliga honored on all-tournament team while Lemieux is named tournament MVP
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 08, 2008, 11:00:36 AM
Sorry I haven't been around the past few days to put up some analysis on the weekend games. Finals are coming up and if I want to get into med school, they are somewhat important.

In any case, I'm excited to get home and load the Hoopsville podcast onto iTunes. Gordon's Coach Schauer makes an appearance.

I'll be back a little later to start up some discussion of some sort.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 08, 2008, 11:15:10 AM
Med School out of Gordon huh?

I'd suggest the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_Hispanoamerica
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 08, 2008, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 08, 2008, 11:15:10 AM
Med School out of Gordon huh?

I'd suggest the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_Hispanoamerica

Really? Thanks and no.

KU Med is more like it.

I appreciate the 'thoughtfulness' though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 08, 2008, 11:31:32 AM
woweee, everyones getting a little testy, even hoops fan.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 08, 2008, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: yeah buddy on December 08, 2008, 11:31:32 AM
woweee, everyones getting a little testy, even hoops fan.

It happens. Just wait until conference play starts and everyone's finished with winter break.

Did anyone listen to the Hoopsville broadcast? It's usually pretty solid and a good barometer for the rest of the nation.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 08, 2008, 11:46:14 AM
That's what a Monday will do to people. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 08, 2008, 12:01:58 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 08, 2008, 11:15:10 AM
Med School out of Gordon huh?

I'd suggest the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_Hispanoamerica

Thats funny.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ILive4This on December 08, 2008, 12:31:47 PM
So the North East Region Posters' Poll is back, if you are interested in participating, which clearly you are, please submit your polls to either my email or my message box here by 9pm mondays (so for this week tonight, sorry for the short notice).

Thanks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2008, 06:48:05 PM

The Salem loss may not look so bad by the end of the year.  Salem has name recognition and actually played a decent non-con schedule this year.

This week alone they took out MIT, WPI, and Gordon.  While those aren't huge wins, they are the kind of teams Salem has been losing to the last couple years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 09, 2008, 12:02:47 AM
WPI???  17th in the country, pretty big win...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2008, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: Word Life on December 09, 2008, 12:02:47 AM
WPI???  17th in the country, pretty big win...

The ranking is a holdover from last season.  They won't be ranked in the next poll.

In the grand scheme of things those three wins are solid for the NE region, but just average in the national picture.

Still, I don't think Gordon's loss will look so bad come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2008, 12:38:38 PM
WPI is still ranked 19th, only dropped two spots.  Salem State moved into the top 30.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: massd3fan on December 09, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
HoopsFan,

   WPI's Ranking is based on THIS YEAR...not last.  If you check the pre-season poll (Which did have holdover elements to it - see Brandeis) WPI did not garner any votes!  the #17 ranking was based on the 4-0 start with wins over Brandeis & RIC.

From the box score (a 10-pt OT win), It looks like they "played down" to Fitchburg St. over the weekend.

A truer test is looming this weekend for them  Vs Elms.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 09, 2008, 03:23:45 PM
well now that we have received the much needed clarification that WPI's ranking is not a holdover from last year and that they remain in the top 25 at #19 it is clear that Word Life was correct in saying that that was a pretty big win for Salem State.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on December 10, 2008, 12:40:38 AM
UNE beats Tufts 89-81
A few weeks ago, people were saying how weak our conference is this year. UNE's two recent wins against Colby and Tufts should speak well of our conference's ability.
Go TCCC!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 10, 2008, 10:56:54 AM
While the Tufts win is impressive, I'm not terribly shocked.  UNE played at home and they're a tough opponent on their own court.  Tufts has played some pretty good competition, losing every important game.  Their wins are over weak teams and UNE took advantage of it.  Their trap defense is very quick and has caused problems for a lot of teams.  I expect them to build on this win and have a strong conference record.

Last night:

WNEC 71 - Union 79
The loss puts Western New England at 1-7

Anna 47 - Framingham State 77
The Amcats shot 26% on the night and were out-rebounded by 11.  Anna Maria falls to 2-6.

Nichols 68 - Fisher 66
Chris Smith led the way with 15 points and 19 rebounds.  Nichols improves to 4-4.

Salve Regina 58 - Conn. College 78
Woodworth continues to have a good season with 21 points and 10 boards.  Salve drops to 3-6.

Endicott 52 - Wesleyan 75
Who would imagine that Endicott would be out-rebounded by 20?  They fall to 4-5.


Only one game tonight, Curry at Lesley
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 11, 2008, 11:21:28 AM
Curry 75 - Lesley 78 OT

Mastrullo had 34 points (11-23, 7-16 3-PT) and Chris Bonadies contributed 17 and 11.  But Curry committed 22 turnovers and Lesley scored 31 points off of them as a result.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 11, 2008, 10:50:31 PM
Colby-Sawyer defeats Bowdoin 63-57, a great game to see live. Colby-Sawyer led at the half 34-31 and lead by as many as 14 but down the stretch Bowdoin decided to start playing like Bowdoin with some help from some questionable calls including one where a charge AND a block were called on the same play.

Matt Lemieux continued his great season under the radar season by exploding all over the stat sheet, recording 7 points, 7 rebounds and 9 assists.

Freshman Will Bardaglio led the Chargers with 13 points while Duncan Szeliga chipped in with 8 points and 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on December 12, 2008, 10:18:39 AM
Gordon gets the win at Wheelock.  Although Wheelock isn't anything special it is always nice to go into Christmas break with a win.  Gordon seemed to have their legs back shooting 50% from the field and playing solid defensively.  A bright spot was the defensive effort of Ben Gaskill holiding Wheelock's leading scorer and rebounder to season lows in both categories.  If Gaskill can provide a consistent presence down low this Gordon team could be scary...

Trigg did his usual adding 18 points, Walker 17 and Bajema 14 on 4-5 shooting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AO on January 03, 2009, 08:00:21 PM
was pleasantly surprised to find a good number of gordon fans at the game today.  when we played at Gordon a couple years ago there were 2 northwestern fans who happened to already be in the boston area looking at a seminary.   

The scots definitely put up a good fight today, but didn't quite have enough scorers in the end.  Gordon should handle Crown by 45 or so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 06, 2009, 02:12:40 PM
Getting back into action tonight:

Regis @ Fitchburg State
Wentworth vs. Fisher
Salve vs. RIC
WNEC vs. Tufts
Nichols @ Mass-Boston
UNE @ Bates
Anna Maria vs. Worcester State
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on January 06, 2009, 10:02:16 PM
UNE 81 - Bates 77
That's 8 wins in a row :D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on January 07, 2009, 09:32:47 AM
UNE has gotten some wins over a few NESCAC schools this season.  Is UNE doing that well or is the NESCAC just down this year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 07, 2009, 11:52:05 AM
Perhaps a bit of both, but UNE really has improved this year.

Last night:

Regis 71 - Fitchburg State 73
Derrick Neal had 18 for Regis and Josh Irvin contributed 15 as well.

Wentworth 83 - Fisher 86
Rookie Brendan Monteiro recorded 23 points and Todd Doyle did his part with 20 points, 6 boards, and 5 assists, but it wasn't enough to overcome a balanced effort by Fisher.

Salve 87 - RIC 91 OT
Congrats to Justin Woodworth for recording his 1000th point in this game.  He finished the night with 31 points.

WNEC 50 - Tufts 64
Perennial All-American Jon Pierce led Tufts with 25 points and there wasn't much WNEC could do as they were out-rebounded by 12 and shot only 32%.

Nichols 63 - Mass-Boston 56

UNE 81 - Bates 77
Johnnie Jefferson scored 18 points and Jaykyri Simpson contribute 14 points as UNE defeats another impressive opponent.

Anna Maria 66 - Worcester State 76
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2009, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: YeahBoss on January 07, 2009, 09:32:47 AM
UNE has gotten some wins over a few NESCAC schools this season.  Is UNE doing that well or is the NESCAC just down this year?


The NESCAC is down, but I think it may have more to do with UNE being better than the doormat they've been for a few years and teams looking past them.  UNE is much improved, so even the good opponents have to actually show up now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on January 08, 2009, 07:49:16 PM
Trigg/Doyle showdown Saturday...especially now that Bajema won't be in the line-up for Gordon with a bad knee.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 11, 2009, 02:12:28 PM
A couple of real interesting games yesterday in the CCC.

Gordon loses in OT at Wentworth.  The Trigg-Doyle matchup was very entertaining as they each score 24 and 23 points respectively.  Where are the Gordon supporters?  Can't be quiet now just because your team has lost two of the last three and sits in last place
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on January 11, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
Here's a good article about why UNE is doing so well these last two years
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=231856&ac=PHspt
Enjoy
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on January 11, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
Good call out backboard, very true...

Very disappointing loss for Gordon.  They blew an 8 point lead with 2:10 left in regulation.  The final two minutes included 3 turnovers and two missed front ends of one-and-one's.  And then to cap it all off Wentworth was able to throw the ball the length of the court with 2.4 seconds left to get a lay-up and send the game to overtime.  To win games down the stretch you have to get stops, take care of the ball, and make your free throws.  Gordon failed to do all 3 of those things and it cost them.

Now, does Gordon win with Bajema in the line-up?  Absolutely.  Should they have lost this game however?  Absolutely not.  But props to WIT for playing until the bitter end.  As for the Trigg-Doyle matchup, it didn't disappoint.  I liked Trigg's 12 assists to Doyle's 2.  But Doyle went home with the W and that is infinitely more important.

This still isn't any time for Gordon to panic.  They still have a squad as good as any in the CCC and I am confident they will turn things around.  Did I see correctly that Roger Williams lost to Nichols by 10???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on January 11, 2009, 08:21:16 PM
Couldn't expect anything better out of the match-up of the two top candidates for POY..Doyle and WIT come out on top which leaves something to be noted down the line.


CSC and UNE begin with wins as was expected in the pre-season polls...it will be quite a clash on Valentine's Day

and where ARE all the Gordon fans..even with the recent losses they will still probably finish top 3 in the conference with no one else really showing signs of life
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 11:02:27 PM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on January 11, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
Here's a good article about why UNE is doing so well these last two years
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=231856&ac=PHspt
Enjoy
What Texas has is plenty of small athletic guards and forwards.

What we don't have are "big men", posts, power forwards!

If UNE is playing up-tempo, high-pressure, full court or 3/4 court press and none of this walk the ball up the floor style of play, then UNE is getting the kind of player of which Texas high schools have an abundance!

:)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 12, 2009, 08:46:25 PM
The reason why there are no Gordon fans posting is due to the fact that they are still on break.  Soon enough we will see them all posting 24/7
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on January 13, 2009, 01:58:03 AM
Will the surprises continue (Gordon) on a busy Tuesday in the TCCC?

What is the marqee matchup?  Not really one but the most interesting match up for me is Nichols at Endicott.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on January 14, 2009, 12:35:12 AM
UNE wins a close one on the road. 10 in a row! Rolling.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on January 14, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
CSC over New England College 71-48 Freshman Bardaglio with another big game 21 points 7 of 11 from the field and 4 of 7 from three, I love hiim as a sleeper for freshman of the year.

I'm back on campus starting saturday so I'll be able to offer a little more insight on games and scores..where is everyone?!?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 14, 2009, 06:13:58 PM
Tuesday's action:

CSC 71 - NEC 48
Will Bardaglio leads the Chargers with 21 points and Colby-Sawyer gets the victory despite the fact that they were out-rebounded 48-34.

Salve 73 - Regis 56
Justin Woodworth led the way with 20 points. 

Roger Williams 55 - WNEC 44

Eastern Nax 76 - Wentworth 73
It seemed that Wentworth was starting to turn things around after defeating Gordon over the weekend.  DeAngelo Alston hit the game winning three pointer with 4 seconds left and Doyle's shot just missed to tie it up.  Doyle led all scorers with 24 points.

Endicott 82 - Nichols 62
For the first time all season, Endicott scores more than 80 points in a game.  Graham Whitelaw led the way for EC with 32 points and 6 boards.

UNE 83 - Curry 80
Judging by the box score, UNE had scoring from all but one player.  I guess they just wanted to show off some depth in this one.

Gordon 91 - Anna Maria 62
Brady Bajema returns with 23 points and 6 boards.  Aaron Trigg chipped in with 29 points.


So far it seems that there are three clear POY candidates:  Woodworth, Doyle, and Trigg.  Should be interesting down the stretch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 17, 2009, 12:14:15 PM
Today:

Curry @ Regis
Roger Williams @ Wentworth
WNEC @ Endicott
Eastern Naz @ Gordon
Anna Maria @ Colby-Sawyer
UNE @ Salve Regina

I predict Curry, Wentworth, Endicott, Gordon, CSC, and UNE to be the winners
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on January 17, 2009, 06:21:02 PM
hey backboard
you  may not want to forget Jefferson at UNE for POY just yet
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on January 17, 2009, 06:29:02 PM
I think some would like it if Jefferson or Simpson were not in the discussion. My vote would go to Simpson.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 17, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
Good point guys.  I guess the reason I left them out is because UNE is pretty deep this year.  Although it's still extremely early to consider candidates for POY at this time.  Both Simpson and Jefferson average 12.5 points a game, so they still have time to improve on their respective numbers.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on January 19, 2009, 07:58:20 PM
where is everybody???? :'(
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ephoops on January 19, 2009, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on January 19, 2009, 07:58:20 PM
where is everybody???? :'(

Don't feel so bad...It's death in the MASCAC room.  Nobody's been there since early December...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 21, 2009, 12:25:53 PM
Back to action tonight:

WNEC @ Wentworth
Curry @ Colby-Sawyer
NEC @ Regis
Roger Williams @ Gordon
Endicott @ Anna Maria
Nichols @ Salve Regina
Eastern Naz @ UNE

I really wouldn't be surprised if every home team won, but Endicott will probably ruin that.  Otherwise, home court prevails tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on January 21, 2009, 04:59:35 PM
I like WNEC over Wentworth tonight...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on January 21, 2009, 06:29:47 PM
I didn't check it until just now, but a major congratulations and shout out to Aaron Trigg.  He was selected to the D3hoops Team of the Week this week.  A major accomplishment and well deserved for a great player.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 21, 2009, 10:34:48 PM
VERY interesting night in the CCC.

I predicted every home team to win on their own court with the exception of Endicott traveling to Anna Maria

Well props to Anna Maria for making me eat my words and defeating Endicott 73-71

And while Word Life liked WNEC over Wentworth, the Leopards prevailed 63-56

However things were not so bright in Wenham as Gordon loses a real ugly one to Roger Williams 50-37.  Can't wait to hear about this one if Gordon fans have the fortitude to show themselves
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on January 22, 2009, 12:39:44 AM
Wow!!!  backboard, I don't think anyone saw Anna Maria beating Endicott, so I wouldn't worry about that prediction...mine was a bit bold, well done by Wentworth to win at home.

Speaking of winning at home, 37 points???  A game Gordon not only should have won being on their homecourt, but after last years thumping in the regular season by Roger Williams and then 1-point victory to end their season, you would have thought this is a game they would have had circled on the calendar.  I'll try to find out what happened tomorrow if we don't hear anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 22, 2009, 10:52:15 AM
Recapping yesterday's action:

Wentworth 63 - WNEC 56
Doyle led the way with 15 points and Matt Abbott contributed with 12 points and 13 boards.  For WNEC, Matt Maynard also had 15 points and 6 boards.

CSC 93 - Curry 74
Szeliga paced the way with 22 points, 6 boards (in only 22 minutes) and Jon Chaloux chipped in with 20 points, 5 boards.  Matt Lemieux had 16 points and 8 dimes.  For Curry, Quashed Simmons had 17 points while Michael D'Amato and Gerald Cohen both had 16 points.

Regis 73 - NEC 53
Derrick Neal had a nice night with 30 points and 8 boards.  For NEC, Salado had 16 points.

Gordon 37 - Roger Williams 50
I didn't realize the implications of this game as Word Life had touched on earlier.  Certainly didn't expect this type of score.  Trigg was able to score 16 points (6-18) but no one else scored more than 6 points for Gordon.  Meanwhile, RWU had only one player score more than 10 (Pat Flanagan with 11) but everyone else chipped in to earn the victory.  This is back to back games that Roger Williams has held their opponent under 26% shooting.

Anna Maria 73 - Endicott 71
Perhaps the biggest upset we'll see this season.  Junior De La Hoz led the Amcats with 17 points and Pinsonault right behind him with 16 points.  For the Gulls, Whitelaw had 14 and Galbraith added in 11.  I wonder how long it had been since Anna Maria beat Endicott.

Salve 100 - Nichols 76
Woodworth only had 15 for Salve, but Windell Hinkson scored 27 points with 7 boards.  Jeff Lindgren had 19 points for Nichols.

UNE 84 - Eastern Naz 62
Simpson led all scorers with 22 and Quentin Thompson added 18 with 9 boards.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 22, 2009, 10:59:12 AM
Yesterday's best:  Windell Hinkson, Salve Regina:  27 points (9-10, 5-5 3-PT), 9 rebounds in 29 minutes

Yesterday's worst:  Mike Booker, WNEC:  2 points (1-8), 4 assists, 2 turnovers in 29 minutes
                           Brady Bajema, Gordon:  4 points (2-10, 0-4 3-PT), 3 assists, 3 turnovers in 39 minutes
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on January 22, 2009, 11:35:47 AM
For anyone curios, here are a couple happening's from the Gordon/RWU game...

The score was 14-10 AT THE HALF, Gordon had the lead.  Neither team scored a point the last 5 minutes of the half.  Gordon was up 25-17 I believe in the second half before it all fell apart.  Obviously a great defensive battle, but also poor shooting.  In my opinion what hurt Gordon most were the limited minutes of Ben Gaskill (17) due to foul trouble.  With Gaskill playing a full second half it may have actually been feasible for Gordon to hold RWU to a 20 or 25 point half and walk out of there with a win.

Being a Gordon fan, this game doesn't worry me as much as an 88-75 loss would however.  I'd rather see my team go through a cold spell which is an easy fix, especially with the talent they have, rather than not be able to stop people.  Shots just didn't drop...and who better to play next than Curry if you are struggling offensively??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 23, 2009, 10:46:01 AM
*Welcome To The Jungle*

What is uppppppppppppp a tremendous Friday to all of you out here in TCCCCCC land.

The extra C's are for Chaotic...Crazy....and .... Chargers....

That's right the CSC Chargers head the docket today as they and the fabled Harvard Of Maine (UNE) are distancing themselves from the rest of the pack....Bill Foti and his ball club are just straight up winning basketball games even...speaking of which where is Ryan Murray...is he in the freaking witness protection program Bill? Have not seen him much this year at all.

Moving on....The Harvard of Maine has won a bunch of games in a row... That's good because it will mean fans at the game...which means that Igloo that you guys call a student center/gym/coffee shop will have some body warmth in it....Canada

Roger Williams and Wentworth and Roger Williams and Gordon both broke out the leather helmets and played 1930s football this week...Is Roger Williams running the wing T? what is going on out here.

Anna Maria freaking college downs Endicott... That must not be sitting well in the house that Mike Plansky built...a few more games like that and you're going to be hearing Josh Oxton and Matt George's music and seeing them enter like wrestlers....

NEC is still in the league...just telling you all

And while we beat each other up on the Aaron Trigg vs Todd Doyle debate...two very good players...we are overlooking Justin Woodworth of Salve Regina, this kid has been doing his best Stefan Curry of late and is putting up crazy buckets...rack him.

Has anyone ever talked about WNEC on this board...ever?

We are up against a break here so we will be back in a few minutes with former Colby-Sawyer player Chris Condon


...and we are baaaaack

What is going on with Nicholls they are coming out and beating RWU then getting thumped down Salve way. I half expect to see their coach up on the podium doing the Dennis Green ...THE SEAHAWKS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!!

Big weekend coming up with Gulls-Leopards, Bison-Chargers, Pride-Crusaders, AmCats-Harvard, RWU-NEC, Scots-Curry, and 'Hawks-Bears.



We will be back after these messages and we will be giving out Legal Zoom Dot Com information
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 24, 2009, 06:08:57 PM
Couple interesting scores from tonight, but nothing too crazy:

Colby-Sawyer 68 @   Nichols 70

NEC 51 @ Roger Williams 88

Endicott 61 @ Wentworth 70

Gordon 66 @ Curry 61

Salve Regina 75 @ WNEC 60

UNE 83 @ Anna Maria 61
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on January 24, 2009, 06:16:31 PM
UNE goes 13 in a row to 5-0
Jefferson scores 37!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: punk4life on January 29, 2009, 10:38:45 PM
Wentworth takes down salve regina at home tonight. Doyle made it pretty clear Justin Woodworth doesn't belong in the same sentence as him.

These leopards are looking pretty good since classes started, with wins over Gordon and Endicott. The best player in the conference and a few big skilled bodies could make for a dangerous team come playoff time......
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on January 30, 2009, 10:16:14 AM
Harvard of Maine, The Igloo, 14 straight
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 30, 2009, 10:56:03 AM
Last night:

WNEC 60 - Nichols 62.  Don't sleep on the Bison.

Wentworth 70 - Salve 64
Todd Doyle had 22 and Matt Abbott had 16 and 18 rebounds.  Justin Woodworth did all he could with 18 points.  If there were ever a three point contest in Division 3, this guy would definitely be invited; he shot 13 three pointers last night and ranks 3rd in the nation with makes per game (4.6).

NEC 58 - Gordon 87
Trigg with 19 and Bajema with 16.  Shane Hennessey had 20 points and 10 boards for NEC.

RWU 55 - Endicott 50
More stifling defense from Roger Williams as they hold Endicott to 35% shooting.

Curry 69 - Anna Maria
Mark Mastrullo goes off with 34 points (13-23) along with 6 boards.

UNE 83 - Regis 60
So far, the combined record of teams UNE has played in conference is 8-23.  Needless to say, February is going to be a lot tougher.

Eastern Naz 63 - CSC 73
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 31, 2009, 03:35:07 PM
Somewhat surprised that there was no hype prior to today's Gordon-Endicott matchup.  At the half, Endicott is up 3, 36-33.

Endicott was up large in the one (15) but Gordon found a way back into the game.

Whitelaw had been on fire to start the again (along with Montrond) but for some reason sat for an extended period of time in which Gordon made their run
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on January 31, 2009, 07:42:29 PM
At the beginning of the season, there were a lot of postings about Gordon being recognized nationally as one of the top 25 teams in D3...and it was well deserved based on their season's start.
Perhaps it's now time for our conference to get behind UNE and hope that they start getting the national recognition they deserve.
15 wins in a row...2nd longest D3 streak in the nation
7-0 in the conference
way to go UNE...keep up the good work! ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BornBalla on February 01, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
cccc-fanatic

I agree. I haven't seen UNE but you can't ignore what they have done. I think that due to their past woes, before the current coach, they are not getting any love. Obviously they have played some weaker teams but it seems like they are a team who can beat many people in NE atleast. They have to be prohibitive favorite in CCC. What is there style of play? How do they get it done?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 01, 2009, 12:12:45 PM
From what I've seen of them this year, they pressure the ball handler a lot and run a press most of the time.  Their guards are very quick and also very good at capitalizing off any turnovers. 

They're low post presence isn't the greatest, but their guards are good at getting into the paint and finishing or kicking it out of a three.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on February 02, 2009, 11:15:25 AM
cccc-fanatic,
i agree with you. you have to give UNE props. They are on a roll right now. regardless of any banter within the conference its always good to see a CCC team playing well and like you said, hopefully getting national recognition at some point.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 02, 2009, 11:37:58 AM
BornBalla

I see UNE strengths as follows:
1 - great senior leadership in Simpson/Johnson
2 - trapping pressure defense
3 - great outside three balls
4 - endurance - they tend to wear the other team out in the 2nd half
5 - speed
6 - great coaching
7 - interesting and scary-looking mascot
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 02, 2009, 12:57:19 PM
Mascot looks like a giant grape with a cape and sunglasses.  It really can have an affect on the opposition.  The other team is guessing what the hell it is and the game is about to start.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 02, 2009, 02:51:08 PM
The only time it would have an effect on the opposition is if a fifth grade girl's team comes rumbling into Biddeford
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 03, 2009, 11:18:52 AM
UNE does have a great record against fifth graders this season.  They have got three tough road games coming up soon.  We'll know more about the team after that.  If they win one or two of those games they should be feeling pretty good depending on how they play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 03, 2009, 01:52:13 PM
I highly doubt UNE will be looking ahead on their schedule when Todd Doyle (TCCC Player of the Week) brings his Leopards into town on Wednesday.  While I feel that UNE should win, I'm sure it will a good game and measuring stick for both teams.

Then not to mention Roger Williams right after that.

Certainly should be interesting as their opponents boast a record of 28-12 (in conference only)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 03, 2009, 04:54:42 PM
I hate it when they overlook Todd Doyle.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 05, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
Yesterday:

Endicott 56 - Colby Sawyer 67
Jon Chaloux led all scorers with 22 points and CSC out-rebounded Endicott 42-30.

Nichols 81 - Anna Maria 47
As expected.

Regis 40 - Gordon 68
Greg Walker led the way with 22 points and 19 boards.

NEC 55 - Curry 75
Quashed Simmons  and Mark Mastrullo scored 27 and 22 points respectively.

WNEC 73 - Eastern Naz 61
Matt Maynard led the home team with 18 points.

Roger Williams 65 - Salve 68
Windell Hinkson buried a game winning three pointer with less than a second to go as Salve walks out with a huge win against RWU.

UNE 70 - Wentworth 58
Todd Doyle led all scores with 16 points (with 5 assists) but UNE shot 60% for the game and benefited from their balanced scoring attack.  Jefferson had 14 and Simpson added 13.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 06, 2009, 08:54:10 PM
Pretty quiet. Todd Doyle you're still my boy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 07, 2009, 09:29:34 PM
Feb. 7 Scores

@ Wentworth 90, Anna Maria 52
(Doyle scores 16 on Senior Day...Abbott goes for 18 and 11; no one played more than 25 minutes)
@ Curry 87, ENC 77
Colby-Sawyer 75, @ Salve Regina 73
@ UNE 47, Roger Williams 44 (17 in a row for the Nor'Easters)
@ WNEC 80, NEC 51
Gordon 94, @ Nichols 85
Regis 80, @ Endicott 69

So, with four games left, here's how we stand:
UNE 9-0
CSC 8-1
GC 6-3
NC 6-3
SRU 6-3
WIT 6-3
RWU 5-4
CC 4-5
WNEC 4-5
--
EC 3-6
ENC 3-6
RC 2-7
AMC 1-8
NEC 0-9
Very interesting next two weeks, to say the least.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 08, 2009, 03:01:43 PM
Looking at the scores and standings this Sunday and only one question comes to mind: 

Can anyone stop UNE?

We all know that they can score as a team, but yesterday they showed that they can win the low scoring, grind it out type of game as well.  Roger Williams may be the best defensive team in the league in terms of not allowing opposing teams do want they want.  Yesterday they held UNE without a field goal in the last 9:53 of the game and only allowed 4 points during that stretch.  But we have to give credit to the Nor'easters for keeping up with their defensive intensity and coming out with the win despite shooting 30.8% for the game.

Jefferson was the only member of UNE to score more than 10 points (he had 12).  For Roger Williams, Pat Flanagan had 14 points and 9 boards while Billy Barrett chipped in with 11.  Final score 47-44.

UNE now hits the road with games against Endicott, Colby-Sawyer, and Gordon before returning home to face Nichols.  Some tough games against fundamentally sound teams that boast some size as well.

Roger Williams travels to Anna Maria but then finishes the season with 4 straight home games:  RIC, Regis, Curry, and Eastern Naz.  The Hawks should finish the season 9-4 in conference.


Other scores:

Wentworth 90 - Anna Maria 52
Senior day already for the Leopards?  Matt Abbott carried the way with 17 points and 11 boards.  Todd Doyle was right behind him with 16 points and 5 boards.  Senior day is always special for guys so congrats to the Wentworth seniors.  Now they have to go on the road with some tough games against Nichols, Curry, Colby-Sawyer, and then NEC.  If they finish 2-2 during that stretch, then Wentworth should make it back to the playoffs with a chance at hosting a game.

Anna Maria finishes their season with home games against RWU, NEC, Regis, along with a road game at WNEC.

Curry 87 - Eastern Naz 77
Despite losing so much talent from last year's championship squad, Curry has quietly hung around.  But now they're done with the soft teams and the real test begins.  They finish up with home games against Wentworth and Endicott while traveling to Salve and RWU.  I don't see them making the playoffs this season.

Eastern Naz has the opportunity to play spoiler with games against NEC, Nichols, Salve, and Roger Williams.

Nichols 85 - Gordon 94
Brady Bajema showed up for this one with 37 points, including 9-13 from 3-point range and even added 9 assists.  Trigg and Greg Walker both added in 14 points.  For Nichols, Pete Atkins had 27 and Ryan Wilcox had 16.

Gordon finishes their season with CSC, WNEC, UNE, and then on the road against Salve.  It's not going to be easy and while they should still make the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if the Fighting Scots do not have a home playoff game.

Nichols finishes up with Wentworth and hits the road with games at Eastern Naz, Regis, and UNE.  If they finish 2-2 during that stretch or even 3-1, they could host a playoff game.

WNEC 80 - NEC 51
Matt Maynard scored 18 points while Kyle Fredette returned from injury.  The Golden Bears travel to Regis and Gordon before finishing up at home against Anna Maria and CSC.  It will be tough for them to make the playoffs.

Endicott 69 - Regis 80
When I first saw this, I thought it was a typo.  No way would Endicott lose to Regis, especially at home.  Derrick Neal took charge with 31 points as Endicott had no answer for him.  Endicott out-rebounded Regis 51-35 but only shot 30.8% for the game including 3-22 from 3-point range.

Endicott has their senior day on Tuesday (vs. UNE) and then finishes the season on the road against Salve, NEC, and Curry.  I would be very surprised if they made the playoffs.

Salve 73 - Colby-Sawyer 75
Impressive win for CSC.  Matt Lemieux scored a game winning layup while Will Bardaglio and David Rosso scored 21 points each.  Justin Woodworth had 15 of his own but only shot 2-7 from range.

CSC finishes up with games at Gordon and WNEC with home games against WIT and UNE.  Four tough games so it should be very interesting to see how they finish.

Salve ends with home games against Curry, Endicott, Gordon, with one road game against Eastern Naz.  2-2 during those game would get them into the playoffs.


Another thing to keep in mind would be the Player of the Year award.  The main question is who are the legitimate candidates for the award?  We all know about Doyle, Trigg, and Woodworth.  But there are other players who deserve mentioning such as:  Derrick Neal, Johnnie Jefferson, and Quashed Simmons.  There's still a lot to be decided.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 09, 2009, 11:26:56 AM
I think UNE should feel lucky to win 2 out of their next 3..those are the 3 best home court advantages in the conference, and long road trips for a team that has played the majority of their schedule at home or in the state of Maine.

It's too bad there's not a Regis poster out there to let Endicott have it, thats a big win for their program and a tough loss to take for the Gull faithful.

This is going to be a great week of TCCC basketball!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 09, 2009, 03:44:07 PM
Not only did UNE have to play a slowed-down game, a lot of their players were battling the flu that day.
Hopefully the next four games will be a good test for all of the best teams in the conference.prove
Quote from: backboard on February 08, 2009, 03:01:43 PM
Looking at the scores and standings this Sunday and only one question comes to mind: 

Can anyone stop UNE?

We all know that they can score as a team, but yesterday they showed that they can win the low scoring, grind it out type of game as well.  Roger Williams may be the best defensive team in the league in terms of not allowing opposing teams do want they want.  Yesterday they held UNE without a field goal in the last 9:53 of the game and only allowed 4 points during that stretch.  But we have to give credit to the Nor'easters for keeping up with their defensive intensity and coming out with the win despite shooting 30.8% for the game.

Jefferson was the only member of UNE to score more than 10 points (he had 12).  For Roger Williams, Pat Flanagan had 14 points and 9 boards while Billy Barrett chipped in with 11.  Final score 47-44.

UNE now hits the road with games against Endicott, Colby-Sawyer, and Gordon before returning home to face Nichols.  Some tough games against fundamentally sound teams that boast some size as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 11, 2009, 04:00:14 PM
More great games last night:

ANNA MARIA 80 - Roger Williams 70
So the Endicott game wasn't just a fluke.  Awful loss for the Hawks as they basically play themselves out of a home playoff game.  Good for Anna Maria.

Regis 69 - WNEC 84
Real quietly, WNEC is hanging around and could be a difficult match-up for some teams in the playoffs.  Rick Johnson had 22 points while Matt Maynard added in 18.  The Golden Bears are holding on to that last playoff spot.

Eastern Naz 75 - NEC 49

Endicott 72 - UNE 81
This game was not as close as it looks.  UNE took charge of this early but lost composure (two technicals) and allowed Endicott to tie the game at the half.  But in the second half, UNE took over with a 19-0 run and iced the game.  Graham Whitelaw had 23 points for the Gulls but he's basically their only legitimate scoring option.  For the visitors, Anthony Johnson had 19 points while Johnnie Jefferson added in 14.  18 games in a row now for the Nor'easters

Salve 76 - Curry 65
Justin Woodworth had 21 points as Salve shot 47% for the game.  For Curry, Mark Mastrullo scored 26 points and TCCC player of the week Quashed Simmons added in 18.  Salve is looking at a home playoff game at the moment.

Gordon 64 - Colby Sawyer 94
First of all, congrats to Aaron Trigg for achieving the 1,000 point mark for his career as he scored 17 points on the night.  Second, this game was a beatdown from the very beginning and I can only imagine how quiet the "Pit" was during this.  For the Chargers, Jon Chaloux scored 29 points and Colby-Sawyer shot 58% for the game including 55% from 3-pt range.  Saturday's match-up against UNE (@ CSC) most likely will be the biggest game so far this season.  I don't know what the tie-breaker situation is, but if I had to guess, Gordon is the #5 seed right now if the playoffs were to start today.

Nichols 79 - Wentworth78
I've been to several Nichols games this year (since they're only 10 minutes from me) but this game was the most entertaining.  I want to start by saying that this was the worst officiated game I've ever seen in the CCC, for both sides.  The referees were completely lost as several phantom calls were made against both teams and it resulted in some pathetic make it calls as well.
The game went back and forth for the entire 40 minutes played.  At times Nichols went up 5 points and it seemed like they could coast but Wentworth came right back and established a 5 point lead of their own.  During the first, Nichols did a good job of containing Todd Doyle for the first 15 minutes but fell asleep in the last 5 before halftime and Doyle burned them.  On the night he finished with 27 points and now is the leading scorer in the league.  Five minutes into the second half, Matt Abbott fouled out for the Leopards and they lost their advantage in the post.  Nichols was able to get into the paint without any real threat of a shot blocker.  WIT was still able to maintain a lead and were up 4 points with 1:26 left in the game.  Pete Atkins (this kid is going to be good if he stays) of the Bison was able to cut the lead to 1 as he scored and was 'fouled' by Doyle.  On the ensuing play, Wentworth tried for the hailmary pass down the court but it was stolen by Nichols.  With 8 seconds left, Chris Paquin got into the paint for a layup and the lead 79-78.  Wentworth had the chance to win the game as all 5 Nichols' players collapsed on Doyle as he drove into the paint.  Doyle got the pass off to Shane West and his layup went in and bounce right out.  Tough break for Wentworth but a great victory for Nichols.  In all, Wentworth is probably the better team, but questionable play calling down the stretch. as well as the refs, doomed them.
For the Bison, Jeff Lindgren had 26 points as he made several tough shots all night.  Todd Doyle was able to answer back with 27 of his own.  Bryan Riley added in 15 for the Bison as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 11, 2009, 09:35:27 PM
UNE ranked regionally for the first time in the program's history. What a story!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on February 12, 2009, 09:32:46 AM
congrats to UNE on the ranking. that's a great achievement.

the pit was pathetic on tuesday..
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 12, 2009, 01:23:20 PM
The Stable is anxiously awaiting a visit from newly ranked UNE on Saturday
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 12, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Sorry to be off on such a long hiatus... Being away from the action is certainly a damper on the ability to be relevant.

Nonetheless, the CCC has kind of gone topsy-turvey in terms of normal pecking order.

Endicott, Gordon, Roger Williams all are not what they once were...
UNE, Nichols, Salve atop the standings?

The only consistent name is Colby-Sawyer...

Still, the tournament brings surprises. And we are only a few weeks away.

It will be interesting to see how UNE deals with pressure it hasn't felt in a while. If the team can deal with a team that has both an inside presence and a solid guard to get the ball over midcourt during their press. I believe such a team can beat UNE... Not sure if the CCC has one of these teams, but if I had to choose, I'd pick Gordon... Despite the recent mess.

Speaking of Gordon... I'm a little curious at the lack of consistency. The team has a lot of talent and has proven it can play top teams (see early non-con schedule). Yet, when playing in the CCC, it has difficulty beating marginal teams. I'm all for parity, but I still am a little baffled by it all...

Sorry for rambling, but it's my first post in a while...
Hopefully I'll get back in the swing of things.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2009, 09:26:08 AM
There is a story today in the Austin (Texas) American-Statesman regarding the contributions made by six Central Texas student-athletes (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/highschool/02/13/0213maine.html) at the U of New England during the school's recent basketball renaissance. 

The Austin paper, which should be renamed Texas Longhorn Daily, covers Division III about as often as I do a 10k (almost never). 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 13, 2009, 11:47:53 AM
Maybe the article will convince more players from Texas to come and play in The Igloo.  Maine is "The way life should be" or Vacationland or whatever they're calling it.  Its gotta be better than living in Beverly, MA right?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 13, 2009, 01:03:52 PM
Is it me or does that article make it sound like they're being held hostage "they are treating us well" "they have been very accepting of us..." "please don't make me stay here! help!"

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
Gotta factor in that these are guys who probably don't know a lot about any place other than Texas, and so have a lot of misconceptions about other parts of the country - as expressed in those quotes.  This is especially true for those who grew up in small towns.  I'm amazed the coach was able to recruit so many from so far away.

I say this as someone born in the state and who has lived here nearly 45 of my 49 years.  We can be mighty provincial in our attitude about other parts of the country.   "OMG, there are decent people in Maine?  Who woulda thunkit??"   ;) 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 13, 2009, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: YeahBoss on February 13, 2009, 11:47:53 AM
Maybe the article will convince more players from Texas to come and play in The Igloo.  Maine is "The way life should be" or Vacationland or whatever they're calling it.  Its gotta be better than living in Beverly, MA right?

WRONG.  In no way possible is Beverly worse than whatever town UNE is located in.  As a student there for 4 years, I have to stand up for the Gulls
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 14, 2009, 06:15:15 PM
UNE 81 - Colby Sayer 72
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 14, 2009, 06:16:46 PM
UNE 82 - CSC 71
Hey number1chargerfan...are you finally ready to give the Nor'easters the credit they deserve? :o
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2009, 12:49:15 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 13, 2009, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: YeahBoss on February 13, 2009, 11:47:53 AM
Maybe the article will convince more players from Texas to come and play in The Igloo.  Maine is "The way life should be" or Vacationland or whatever they're calling it.  Its gotta be better than living in Beverly, MA right?
WRONG.  In no way possible is Beverly worse than whatever town UNE is located in.  As a student there for 4 years, I have to stand up for the Gulls


The only thing Beverly has on Biddeford is that it's less of a drive to Boston.  On their own merits, both are pretty bad, but ties go to the town outside of Maine.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 16, 2009, 07:15:24 PM
cccc-fanatic they have my respect as they fought back in a game with a hostile crowd and unfortunately my Chargers let the game slip by failing to force the Nor'Easters out of their press and not creating the shots they needed down the stretch. I'm never one to make excuses, UNE is good, but my hopes are that Coach Foti's boys can come up with a way to get through that fast paced press if we meet again in the conference tournament.


As for the Biddeford-Beverly debate..I've got to make a petition for New London. The town shuts down at about 9 p.m. and it's a half hour drive to any sort of civilization (McDonalds, Walmart, Malls etc.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 16, 2009, 08:38:58 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous...
W >:(hat in the world does UNE have to do to get rated in the top 25?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 16, 2009, 08:54:31 PM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on February 16, 2009, 08:38:58 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous...
W >:(hat in the world does UNE have to do to get rated in the top 25?

Change their name to Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 16, 2009, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on February 16, 2009, 08:38:58 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous...
W >:(hat in the world does UNE have to do to get rated in the top 25?

Well, with a SOS of 361 and a Massey rating of 162, maybe next year they could step up their out of conference schedule. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2009, 09:14:40 PM
Cut and pasted from the Top 25 board...



Quote from: Titan Q on February 16, 2009, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on February 16, 2009, 08:42:20 PM
What in the world does UNE (University of New England) have to do to get into the top 25?
Undefeated in conference.
2nd longest winning streak in the nation.
What's going on?

Massey has U. of New England #161, with a strength of schedule ranked #359.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2009&sub=III&mid=6
Or #120 Massey Ratings MOV

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

The Bowdoin team to which UNE lost on November 25th is #119.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2009, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: backboard on February 16, 2009, 08:54:31 PM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on February 16, 2009, 08:38:58 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous...
W >:(hat in the world does UNE have to do to get rated in the top 25?

Change their name to Gordon

Gordon has never been in the Top 25 either.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 17, 2009, 10:31:24 AM
If you really think UNE is one of the 25 best teams in the country I have a bridge I would like to sell you.


That being said. here are the 13 locations in the CCC ranked on where I would want to spend my college years. Worst to best.


14.  New London NH. It is near nothing. The weather is horrible.

13. Henniker New Hampshire. See Above.

12. Biddeford Maine. See Above. Slight advantage of a coast...I guess

11. Dudley Mass. Middle of nowhere.

10. Paxton Mass. Close to Worcester...I guess that's a good thing?

9.  Springfield MA. Hoop all of fame is cool, having your car stolen is not.

8.  Wenham MA. Nice enough town, but not able to have a beer on campus is a huge issue for me.

7.  Milton MA. Kind of a nothing town, but relatively easy to Boston.

6. Quincy MA. White trash beaches and on the Boston Train system.

5. Beverly MA. Very nice beaches, commuter rail to boston.

4. Bristol RI. Nicest beaches of the group. Reasonably close to Providence and Newport.

3. Weston MA. Right outside Boston.

2. Newport RI-  Beaches, Mansions, Stuff to do. Can't lose.

1. Boston Massachusetts- Lots of things to do, and we're talking about other schools proximity to it so why not bump the school that's already there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2009, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on February 16, 2009, 08:38:58 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous...
W >:(hat in the world does UNE have to do to get rated in the top 25?


Sorry not to have responded to this more quickly.  UNE has no business in the Top 25 right now.

The CCC is in the bottom third of conferences nationally and UNE has barely been winning games here.

They also missed out on a decent non-conference schedule.

They're impressive and could get some play if they win an NCAA playoff game or three, but just having a good record doesn't equate to a quality team, given the massive strength of many of the schools and conferences out there.

The whole NE Region is way down this year and UNE is just now getting into the Top Ten here.

It's a very rare occasion when any team in the CCC could even be considered for votes in the Top 25.  It takes quality wins, no bad losses and a history.

I'm not saying UNE can't get there, but it won't be this year, not with this schedule.

They could be undefeated and not in the Top 25.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 17, 2009, 12:19:31 PM
I agree. UNE has had a great year. They have made huge steps in the right direction. Last year they made the conference tourney, this year #1 in the conference, ranked in their region, we'll see what happens in the conference tournament this year.  The conference is weak, if it gets better and UNE still dominates then it will be there time. Great story, team of the year, coach of the year, in conference, but slow down big fella! The best team in the Big Ten right now is just not a very good team overall. There are stronger conferences out there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 17, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
Also, being close to Worcester, is NEVER a good thing. I guess Beverly is nice though. Just don't do meth! Bad reviews there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 17, 2009, 04:10:58 PM
I didn't look too closely but I'm glad to see that someone (ccc-talk) has WIT ranked #1!  Hard to beat a Huntington Ave address.  It's been a rollercoaster ride for WIT fans.  Looking forward to the tourney.  Whoever shows-ups, moves up.

Best guess on 1st round matchups:
UNE - WNEC
CS - WIT
N - RW
SRU - G

sorry CC, too little too late.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 18, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
UNE up 1 spot in the Regional Rankings, putting them at #9, ahead of Brandeis.

Pretty interesting game for the Nor'easters tonight as well as they travel to Gordon.  The game could go either way but I wouldn't be surprised if Gordon came out on top
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 18, 2009, 06:21:27 PM
At this point, the only team with any real confidence is UNE. They have proven they can beat anybody in the CCC, save for one... The one they will face tonight.

I am an outspoken Gordonite, but I have a feeling that despite the pressure on UNE, despite the ability of Coach Schauer to gameplan well, and despite the Gordon players having a chip on their shoulders... UNE will find a way to win.

Why?

Because they've done it with every CCC game thus far... Even beating RWU in a 47-44 matchup.

Either way, even if UNE loses, they will still enter the tournament as the one seed with the confidence of beating nearly everyone in the conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 18, 2009, 09:50:24 PM
Gordon pulls off the upset... 82-75.

It was quite a close game (UNE was leading 37-34 at the half), but Gordon had a significant advantage on the boards.

Stats will be forthcoming, but it has FINALLY been proven that UNE can be beat by a CCC team. Not saying that it will happen again or that it's probable... But at least we know that it certainly CAN happen.

It was a solid game to watch, and both teams played admirably.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 19, 2009, 09:10:26 AM
Hats off to Aaron Trigg....what a player.  He led a 13-0 run that took over a close game.
Great court presence...8 for 8 from the line.
He willed his team to win the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 19, 2009, 11:44:48 AM
I hope Gordon and UNE meet up again.  Just about any of the teams can beat anybody else in the conference, which makes for great drama. But it seems that Gordon and UNE have been playing some tight games with a little fire against one another as of late.  Its not a natural rivalry like Endicott and Gordon, I don't think its even a rivalry because of Gordon's continued success and UNE just recently stepping up their program. But when they met up last year, and this year with a good conference game, hopefully some playoff drama, this could be a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2009, 11:49:34 AM
With one game left, we need to look at the playoff picture to see how much is riding on these final games:

UNE and CSC have the #1 and #2 seeds locked up.

The winner of Salve-Gordon will be the #3.

RWU plays ENC.  Nichols plays UNE.

If Gordon beats Salve, RWU is the #6, regardless of any other outcome.  (If Nichols wins,  NC is #4, if they lose, NC is #5.)

If Salve beats Gordon, we have a few different scenarios:

NC at 9-4; GC at 8-5; RWU at 7-6 - is an obvious NC #4, GC #5, and RWU #6.

NC and GC at 8-5; RWU at 7-6 - is GC #4, NC #5, and RWU #6.

NC at 9-4; GC and RWU at 8-5 - is NC #4, RWU #5, and GC #6.

NC, GC, and RWU all at 8-5 - is GC #4, NC #5, and RWU #6.

In the case of the three-way tie, when no team has a head-to-head advantage, the tiebreaker moved immediately to the top of the standings; Gordon would win the three-way tiebreaker as the only team to beat #1 UNE.  From there, the second two teams are considered a "new" tie and head-to-head results determine position.


At the bottom, WNEC is definitely in.  If Wentworth beats NEC, WIT is #7 and WNEC is #8 regardless of the WNEC outcome.  If Wentworth loses to NEC and Curry beats Endicott then WNEC is #7 and CC is #8 regardless of the WNEC outcome.  If both WNEC and WIT win or WNEC, WIT and CC all lose, WIT is #7 and WNEC is #8.  If WIT and CC lose, but WNEC wins, then WNEC is #7 and WIT is #8.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2009, 11:54:19 AM

As if that wasn't confusing enough, I thought I'd run down the possible seedings for teams at this point:

UNE - is #1

CSC - is #2

Gordon - could be #3, #4, #5, or #6

Salve - could be #3, #4 or #5

Nichols - could be #4 or #5

RWU - could be #5 or #6

WIT - could be #7, #8, or out of the playoffs altogether

WNEC - could be #7 or #8

Curry - could be #8 or out of the playoffs altogether

No other team has a chance to get in.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 19, 2009, 12:05:21 PM
Fantastic rundown...

From the seeds and possible matchups you have presented, what would be the top games in terms of gameplay... potential upsets?

I guess what I'm asking you Hoops... Who's looking the best to make a run in the tourney?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GnacAlum55 on February 19, 2009, 02:17:18 PM
What happened to Endicott?  Have they already been eliminated?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 19, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
Unfortunately the Gulls were eliminated when WNEC won last night.  Nevertheless, the conference tournament should be very interesting and hopefully the winner and represent the CCC well
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2009, 11:14:17 PM
Quote from: scout on February 19, 2009, 12:05:21 PM
I guess what I'm asking you Hoops... Who's looking the best to make a run in the tourney?

I don't know that anyone is playing too differently at the end than the beginning, other than maybe Gordon is coming out of their slump?

I'd like to see Salve get the #3, if only because their likely opponent would be RWU and thus a good rivalry.

It would also put GC and UNE on course to play in the semi-final and I'm a sucker for making teams earn their shot at the title.

I would also like to see Curry slip into that last spot (although an NEC win is a tall order).  Curry just always seems to show up in the playoffs and you never know what might be in store.

I really don't know, though.  That Gordon-Salve game will determine a lot and I'm not picking a winner; it's going to be a battle.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2009, 03:51:08 PM
As has been said in the past few days, this is it... The final Saturday to fight for life in the conference and make it to the tourney (fight for seeding, as well)...

I'll try to find some scores for the other games, but at halftime, Gordon leads Salve 39-21...

Trigg leads all scorers with 10, Greg Walker has 9...

The top scorer for Salve is Woodworth, who has 5...

Gordon leads the rebounding battle 21-11...

The only player in foul trouble also happens to be Salve's best player... Woodworth has 3 fouls...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2009, 04:04:08 PM
Nearing the end of the first half, UNE is taking it to Nichols, 44-27. Following the loss to Gordon, they're mad and they'll by hyped up for sure going into the tourney...

WIT and NEC are tied at 36 at the half... Salado leads NEC with 10 points and Doyle and Monteiro both have 10 for WIT...

With a little over 10 minutes left in the first half, RWU leads ENC 26-17...

I'll try to find more scores...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2009, 04:11:16 PM
Those are the only scores available...

I'll post back the Gordon-Salve final and most likely the other finals I can find...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2009, 05:03:00 PM
Gordon hangs on to win 75-67.

The Scots had a commanding lead about halfway through the second half and then Salve made a little run to pull within 11 or 12 with a minute and a half left. Then, Salve went into foul mode...

Gordon hit their free throws, and then Salve went hot, hitting three pointers like crazy. Basic math allowed them pull it back to an eight point deficit before the clock ran out.

The rebounding margin was large... 40-25.

Greg Walker led all scorers with 17, also putting up 10 boards for the double-double.

Gordon shot 47.7% on the day... Salve 38.1%






I think what will serve Gordon well in the tournament is the fact that they are a strong free throw shooting team. On the year, they are 73%. Additionally, they are shooting 40% from 3-point land while holding opponents to 33%.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 21, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
Wentworth locks up #7 with an 87-79 win at NEC.  Doyle scored 30 (10-14), Abbott scored 13 and grabbed 12 rebounds, Monteiro scored 16, and Wentworth scored 10.  Leopards go to Colby-Sawyer.

Final Standings:
UNE 12-1
CSC 10-3
Gordon 9-4
Salve Regina 8-5 (Salve wins three-way tiebreaker)
Nichols 8-5
Roger Williams 8-5
Wentworth 7-6
WNEC 7-6 (Wentworth wins tiebreaker)
--
Curry 6-7
Endicott 5-8
ENC 4-9
Regis 3-10
Anna Maria 3-10
NEC 0-13


Playoffs:
(8) WNEC at (1) UNE (8:00)
(5) Nichols at (4) Salve Regina (7:00)
(6) RWU at (3) Gordon (7:00)
(7) WIT at (2) CSC (8:00)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2009, 08:53:28 PM
Okay, I'm sure this question has been answered in the past...

After each round of the tourney, are the teams reseeded?

Like, if UNE wins and WIT were to upset CSC, would UNE automatically play the winner of Nichols and Salve... Or would UNE play the lower seed WIT?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2009, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: scout on February 21, 2009, 08:53:28 PM
Okay, I'm sure this question has been answered in the past...

After each round of the tourney, are the teams reseeded?

Like, if UNE wins and WIT were to upset CSC, would UNE automatically play the winner of Nichols and Salve... Or would UNE play the lower seed WIT?

No re-seeds, just a straight bracket.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2009, 09:29:51 PM

I feel like Wentworth has played CSC tough the last season or two; this could be a good matchup.  The Gordon-RWU rematch looks to be pretty sweet one, too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 21, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
Having Gordon sympathies... I am scared outta my mind for the Scots to play RWU...

It was an ugly game earlier in the season and last year, the tourney was rough with that game...

Nonetheless, WIT always shows up come tournament-time... I feel they are one of the better coached teams in the CCC in terms of game planning...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2009, 08:46:23 PM
Listening to Hoopsville tonight, Colby-Sawyer was picked by the Northeast correspondent to win the CCC tourney...

Which brings up a question of what do all of you think in terms of who will win the tourney?

Try to put sympathies aside and let's come up with a matrix of winners before the tourney starts...

And then we'll compare our picks with what actually happens in the end...

I'll start... And pick UNE...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 22, 2009, 11:20:30 PM
UNE

Quote from: scout on February 22, 2009, 08:46:23 PM
Listening to Hoopsville tonight, Colby-Sawyer was picked by the Northeast correspondent to win the CCC tourney...

Which brings up a question of what do all of you think in terms of who will win the tourney?

Try to put sympathies aside and let's come up with a matrix of winners before the tourney starts...

And then we'll compare our picks with what actually happens in the end...

I'll start... And pick UNE...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 23, 2009, 12:18:00 AM
From what has happened during the regular season..I think that no one is safe in this tournament..and my bias aside I think that CSC will take it in the end

Gordon-RWU will be a battle but I think Gordon comes out of it
WIT although talented was pretty much overwhelmed with CSC when they last played, so I see CSC winning easily and feasting on the winner of the RWU-Gordon game
Saw WNEC take advantage of a bad game by CSC this weekend and while they could potentially upset UNE (anything is possible, just ask Kevin Garnett) they won't because UNE didn't come this far to lose in the first round as the 1 seed
Nichols-Salve is another interesting game, and it could go either way, but I'll take Nichols because they have the wild card factor on their side and I am not all that impressed with Salve

Giving Nichols that win, they can't match UNE and their speed, outside shooting and press

CSC vs. UNE was one for the ages in New London, and I think that the championship atmosphere will make the rematch even better, Foti will have something cooked up by then to beat that press, and seeing that Gordon upset UNE and CSC smoked Gordon in their barn..I'm going CSC

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2009, 08:59:41 AM
This year's tournament should be really fun to watch, lots of potential upsets.

My pick is for UNE to win it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Colby-Sawyer or Gordon were to walk away with the title either.

Gordon has been under the radar for most of the year, something they usually do not do.  Everyone knows about Aaron Trigg and the talent he possess, but instead of him doing all the scoring, guys like Bejema and Greg Walker have stepped up for the Scots.  They're going to be a tough team to beat.  That being said, I'm sure not there is a worse first round match up for them than Roger Williams.  I highly doubt that Gordon will only score 37 points this time around though.

UNE should take care of business against WNEC.  Kyle Fredette should be healthy by now but WNEC is going to need to play their best possible basketball if they want to win at UNE. 

Salve could be real dangerous for the simple fact that they have Justin Woodworth. When he's shooting well, they're almost unstoppable.  He could very well score 30+ points and may need to in order for his team to win.

Same goes for Wentworth.  Todd Doyle is coming off a career high and always performs well in the tournament.  The challenge is going to on the boards.  CSC is very good at rebounding but Wentworth is better statically.  The Matt Abbott-Duncan Szeliga battle down low should be interesting as well.

Any ideas for awards?  Last year the coaches picked a POY who ranked 17th in scoring but was still very valuable to his individual team.  The candidates:  Trigg, Woodworth, Doyle, and Jefferson.  Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2009, 10:23:13 AM

Obviously UNE has the team to beat this year, but CSC, Gordon, and WIT have all got some playoff tested leaders.  To me, CSC seems like the smart pick, simply because of their track record, but that shouldn't diminish what UNE has done and the team they've assembled.

I'd like to see a UNE-CSC final.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 23, 2009, 10:40:38 AM
Playoff Picks and Award Talks:

Playoffs:

I like UNE over WNEC big
I like GC over RWU close
I like CSC over WIT
I like Salve over NC big

UNE over Salve
GC over CSC

GC over UNE
--------

Awards:

All League First Team:

Justin Woodworth Salve
Todd Doyle WIT
Aaron Trigg GC
Jonnie Jefferson UNE
Brady Bajema GC

All League Second Team:

Ducan Szeliga CSC
Jakiryi Simpson UNE
Mark Mastrullo Curry
Shane Hennessey NEC
Derek Neal Regis

All League Honorable Mention:

Matt Abbott WIT
Jon Chaloux CSC
Chris Paquin NC
Graham Whitelaw EC
Kyle Fredette WNEC


Rookie Of The Year:
Diandre Brown ENC...really quietly put up good numbers (Bardaglio and Flanagan also have cases)

Coach Of The Year:
Sean Foster Salve (No brainer)

Defensive Player Of The Year:
Jakiryi Simpson UNE  (Montrond or Fredette may have a case)

Player Of The Year:
Todd Doyle WIT (I think he should get it. Not sure if his team won enough games, but for a guy who had defenses all year built around stopping him he had had a big year.)  I think UNE is too balanced for Jefferson to get the nod. I think the emergence of Bajema might hurt Trigg a little although Trigg put up great numbers, and I think Woodworth is more of a one dimensional scorer, but also a good candidate.)



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2009, 11:00:28 AM

You missed Pinsenault from AMC; I think he gets something.  I haven't checked out all the numbers yet, but he's been a solid performer for a while.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2009, 11:08:17 AM

Doyle, Woodworth, Trigg, and Jefferson seem like shoe-ins for the first team, leaving only one spot open.

I didn't see enough games to be able to tell the difference between the numbers and actual on-floor production.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 23, 2009, 11:29:09 AM
I think if Matt Lemieux doesn't at least crack honorable mention then they shouldn't bother having All-Conference.

Tops in assists, second in assist-turnover ratio and his team has the best field goal pct. defense. He has defended Doyle, Trigg, Simpson, Mastrullo and all the other TCCC Point Guards masterfully while filling up the stat sheet as a truly old school point guard who would rather pass and defend than be the superstar.

Just making a case for a senior who has quietly put together a great season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2009, 12:57:02 PM

The coaches will be faced with a lot of worthy guards and not too many big men to choose from.  It could be an interesting set of voting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2009, 01:00:59 PM
Since the pick of Barringer to be POY last year, I've pretty much given up on correctly picking who will win the award...

Cases can be made for Trigg, Doyle, Woodworth, etc... But I definitely think they go with a guard this year...

In terms of first team all-conference, I like CCCtalk's picks... The CCC is definitely a guard-heavy league this season and not enough big men have posted dominant numbers...

Later tonight, I'll do some research to come up with picks for tomorrow's games...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 23, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
How about Coach of the year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 23, 2009, 02:24:29 PM
No question its Coach Mulligan from UNE. But I thought he might win it last year and I was wrong so who knows.  Politics and popularity tends to ruin any voting whether its the All-Stars or the Oscars.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 23, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
CCC TALK - no brainer for Salve Regina coach is right - a person would have to have no brain to say that.
13-12 and 8-5 in conference compared to UNE's record? :o
Come on, get real...if it's not UNE's Mulligan then there is something funny going on.
Maybe payback for recruiting so well out of state?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 23, 2009, 03:59:13 PM
Hot off the presses...

FIRST TEAM
Pos.           Student-Athlete                              Institution                                        Class
G               Todd Doyle                                    Wentworth                                        Senior
F               Johnnie Jefferson                           Univ. of New England                      Senior
G               Jaykyri Simpson                             Univ. of New England                      Senior
G               Aaron Trigg                                    Gordon                                             Junior
G               Justin Woodworth                          Salve Regina                                     Senior

SECOND TEAM
Pos.           Student-Athlete                              Institution                                        Class
F               Matt Abbott                                    Wentworth                                        Junior
G               Brady Bajema                                 Gordon                                             Junior
F               Jon Chaloux                                   Colby-Sawyer                                   Junior
G               Derrick Neal                                   Regis                                                 Sophomore
F               Duncan Szeliga                               Colby-Sawyer                                   Senior

HONORABLE MENTION
Pos.           Student-Athlete                              Institution                                        Class
G               Billy Barrett                                    Roger Williams                                 Senior
C               Patrick Flanagan                             Roger Williams                                 Freshman
F               Kyle Fredette                                  Western New England                      Senior
G               Windell Hinkson                            Salve Regina                                     Sophomore
G               Quashed Simmons                          Curry                                                Senior
G               Graham Whitelaw                           Endicott                                            Junior

INDIVIDUAL AWARDS

PLAYER OF THE YEAR                                              Todd Doyle, Wentworth
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR                     Jaykyri Simpson, Univ. of New England
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR                                      Quentin Thompson, Univ. of New England   
SENIOR SCHOLAR-ATHLETE OF THE YEAR        Brad Bryant, Wentworth
COACH OF THE YEAR                                        Jason Mulligan, Univ. of New England
TEAM SPORTSMANSHIP AWARD                       Eastern Nazarene College
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 23, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Good for Simpson, I thought he should have been the defensive player of the year last year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 23, 2009, 04:50:42 PM
Why isn't the only frosh on an all league team the roy?

No doubt that the UNE coach is coy!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2009, 05:44:10 PM
I think the coaches did a great job with the awards this year.  Looking forward to a good tournament
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 23, 2009, 09:01:22 PM
The reason I thought and think the pick would be Sean Foster is: Salve was picked 11th and finished 4th (net gain 7)

UNE picked 2nd finished first (net gain 1)

He wasn't exactly coaching his guys up...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2009, 09:16:29 PM
Okay... These are a lot of numbers, but I feel it is important to take a look at these to get a better idea of how the teams will match up tomorrow and in the subsequent rounds...

A few things to point out...

These numbers are cumulative for each team including all non-conference games played. This must be taken into account... For example, Gordon played a tough non-con schedule including teams like Salem State, William Patterson, MIT, Bates, etc... This will skew numbers, but I still think it's a better picture of overall success and style of play...

Two, these are percentages. They do not take into account AMOUNTS of each stat... Still, again, I say that percentages are more indicative of future success in a given stat...




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Avg. Pt MarginFG %Opp FG%3PT%Opp 3PT%FT%Opp FT%Reb MarginAssist/TOOpp Assist/TOSteals/Game
UNE7.545.4%47.3%37.0%32.4%65.9%64.3%-20.940.7312.40
CSC10.544.2%39.4%36.8%29.0%71.7%64.3%30.940.598.17
Gordon8.746.9%43.9%40.5%33.3%72.5%66.9%4.70.910.755.68
Salve5.745.3%44.0%38.8%33.9%67.0%65.9%0.40.910.7310.44
Nichols-0.743.2%41.2%31.5%30.6%64.6%63.0%5.20.641.016.32
RWU1.443.3%40.6%32.8%35.0%68.6%68.9%-0.50.910.705.76
WIT-1.546.2%46.0%34.8%35.9%68.6%67.2%50.791.055.72
WNEC-4.840.3%41.3%31.1%35.5%64.3%71.5%0.10.820.917.75

What do you all think?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 10:25:11 AM

They did a good job with the awards; I'm looking forward to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 12:25:46 PM
Alright... The lack of posts right before the start of the conference tourney is astounding...

In any case, here are my picks... And why...

(1) UNE over (8) WNEC: 72-61

UNE beat nearly every team in the conference for a reason. They have a balanced scoring attack and an annoying full-court press. With enough able bodies to rotate in on the floor, I think they'll get ahead early and hold WNEC back the entire game. UNE is one of only two teams to allow a better FG percentage than they own... The benefit for them, however, is twofold. First, the other team in the tourney to have that occurrence is the team they'll face tonight. WNEC shoots only 40%... Second, UNE forces enough turnovers that they limit the amount of possessions the other team gets. By simple math, even though they allow a better percentage, they take more shots off turnovers...

(2) CSC over (7) WIT: 84-69

Colby Sawyer is just dominant. When they win (and it's often) they win big. They will bring the best scoring percentage defense against the second best shooting team in the league. The benefit for them is they force turnovers... and they go against a WIT with the worst assist-to-turnover ratio of the playoff teams. Stifling defense and points off turnovers win the game for the Chargers.

(3) Gordon over (6) RWU: 63-61

Stats don't mean too much in this game... It's a burgeoning rivalry and the game is always close... and it's always pretty ugly. The Scots have the benefit of the game being at home... in front of the best playoff crowd in the conference. I think the game comes down to solid shooting when the shots do go up (there wont be many) and free throws in the end... The better of the two in both those categories... Gordon

(4) Salve over (5) Nichols: 76-70

The last time the two met, it was an absolute blowout, as Salve scored 100 points... All this despite Woodworth only scoring 15 points in 27 minutes... This game, I think Woodworth does better, but the rest of his team won't be as hot. This should equate to a Salve victory, but a little more tempered.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2009, 03:21:52 PM
Here's the way I see it:

UNE over WNEC  90-79
No arguement there.  UNE's offense will not be stopped in this matchup.

CSC over WIT 90 -89
WIT's best chances to win this game is in a shootout.  I expect them to run the floor but I don't expect CSC to backdown from the challenge.

RWU over Gordon  65-64
Something about the fact that Gordon was held to 37 points against this team gets me.  That being said, it won't happen again but RWU should be able to adjust to what Gordon has been doing lately.  If Trigg is hitting his shots from the beginning, then it's Gordon's game.

Salve over Nichols 82-70
I've seen Nichols a couple times this year and their lack of a go-to-guy will hurt them in this game.  And of course Salve as Woodworth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 24, 2009, 04:19:07 PM
UNE 76 WNEC 67 ,  WIT 74 CSC 71 call me crazy I just think something out of the ordinary is going to happen here. It is all most impossible to win at CSC in the play-offs but it can happen. Coach D and Coach Foti are a great match -up. As the kids would say Doyle is that "Dude" he hits three to win it! Gordon 72 RWU 67 this really could swing either way. I think that Gordon is the team that is playing the best out of all the remaining teams right now! NC 84 SRU 83 2ot They are just that close. Both teams are hungry and feel like they are just as good as everyone else. We will see. In the end UNE is the team to beat however some how, some way I feel like Gordon will be the NCAA entry. The team I thought would be there did not make the play-offs but that is a story to painful to tell! Anyway who cares???????? Good Luck to all the teams and may everyone stay injury free!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:04:20 PM

Halftime of the early games:


GC 22 RWU 22

Salve is up 18; 56-38 over Nichols.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:13:17 PM

I'm watching the Gordon-Roger Williams live video.  It looks like the refs are calling the game pretty tightly and the RWU guys seems a lot less comfortable on the defensive side of the ball.  Not that the game isn't being called evenly (it seems to be), but that Roger Williams' players look tentative on defense and a bit scared about playing too aggressively.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: T990 on February 24, 2009, 08:29:33 PM
Video link is on:

http://www.gordon.edu/athletics/sport.cfm?iSportID=29
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: T990 on February 24, 2009, 08:33:50 PM
Trigg hits off balance jump shot w/ .2 sec left.  Gordon 50, RWU 48.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: T990 on February 24, 2009, 08:33:50 PM
Trigg hits off balance jump shot w/ .2 sec left.  Gordon 50, RWU 48.


The shot was pretty fantastic, although the video showed the score as 48-48 while everyone was shaking hands.  I was sort of confused.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 08:41:12 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: T990 on February 24, 2009, 08:33:50 PM
Trigg hits off balance jump shot w/ .2 sec left.  Gordon 50, RWU 48.


The shot was pretty fantastic, although the video showed the score as 48-48 while everyone was shaking hands.  I was sort of confused.

The commentators apparently have the double duty of trying to keep up with their call of the game and, at the same time, updating the score. It's kind of a game for us listeners/watchers... Makes you pay attention, lol.

The shot was absolutely incredible... Off-balance... Really indicative of the type of defense that RWU played the entire game... Very tight, and only allowing small seams...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:43:13 PM
The UNE video is much better quality than Gordon's, but they don't have the score on the screen.

I am doing video only, as I'm watching during class.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
Watching bball in class... Seminary no less...

Good for you!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:45:41 PM

UNE is up seven at the half 36-29.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: scout on February 24, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
Watching bball in class... Seminary no less...

Good for you!

Last March they had to kill the wireless feed on campus during the first two days of the d1 tournament.  The bandwidth was out of control.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:47:56 PM

CSC is up four 43-39 over WIT at the half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 08:49:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: scout on February 24, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
Watching bball in class... Seminary no less...

Good for you!

Last March they had to kill the wireless feed on campus during the first two days of the d1 tournament.  The bandwidth was out of control.

Yea... I remember watching the KU v. Portland State round one game in a lecture hall of 150 people... Computer sitting on the floor... Good times...

Nonetheless, I think Gordon beat one of only two teams that pose a real threat to them. The style of defense that the Hawks play is relentless and rough on a shooting team like the Scots...

The other big test... Just might be the team they play next... Colby-Sawyer has had Gordon's number recently...

But then again, so had RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:51:30 PM

Nichols with the comeback; they are apparently going into OT with Salve at 84 a piece.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: T990 on February 24, 2009, 08:52:12 PM
WNEC UNE video link:

http://athletics.une.edu/stream.asx
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2009, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 08:43:13 PM
The UNE video is much better quality than Gordon's, but they don't have the score on the screen.

I am doing video only, as I'm watching during class.
Does one receive karma for watching the playoffs during class at seminary or is one smitten for letting the outside world be a distraction?  ???
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 08:55:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2009, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 08:43:13 PM
The UNE video is much better quality than Gordon's, but they don't have the score on the screen.

I am doing video only, as I'm watching during class.
Does one receive karma for watching the playoffs during class at seminary or is one smitten for letting the outside world be a distraction?  ???

The culture of the area Hoops Fan is in... They'd praise him for his loyalty to college hoops... Given the national title of the local team last year...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2009, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 08:43:13 PM
The UNE video is much better quality than Gordon's, but they don't have the score on the screen.

I am doing video only, as I'm watching during class.
Does one receive karma for watching the playoffs during class at seminary or is one smitten for letting the outside world be a distraction?

You'll love this, Ralph.  The class I'm currently in is "Sacraments and Asceticism."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:01:55 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2009, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 08:43:13 PM
The UNE video is much better quality than Gordon's, but they don't have the score on the screen.

I am doing video only, as I'm watching during class.
Does one receive karma for watching the playoffs during class at seminary or is one smitten for letting the outside world be a distraction?

You'll love this, Ralph.  The class I'm currently in is "Sacraments and Asceticism."

Metropolitan Hierotheos of Nafpaktos, eh?... Ah, the vices of this secular world...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:04:05 PM
Freshman Quentin Thompson's 3, four min into the second half puts UNE up 43-35.

He's got 8 points in a balanced UNE attack.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:05:11 PM

UNE looks to be going with the full court press to try and get a little more of a lead.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:07:13 PM

Nichols and Salve still tied 91-91 with 19 seconds to play in OT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 09:05:11 PM

UNE looks to be going with the full court press to try and get a little more of a lead.

Not sure if you've seen much of UNE at all... They play the press for nearly the entire game... It's the reason they led the conference in steals per game... Don't remember the number off the top of my head, but my table had it there...

A lot of their points are off turnovers...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2009, 09:05:11 PM

UNE looks to be going with the full court press to try and get a little more of a lead.

Not sure if you've seen much of UNE at all... They play the press for nearly the entire game... It's the reason they led the conference in steals per game... Don't remember the number off the top of my head, but my table had it there...

A lot of their points are off turnovers...

They weren't playing the press in the first half.

The WNEC boys don't look to happy about it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:09:43 PM
Crazy... They two games I saw they pressed... My bad...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:09:43 PM
Crazy... They two games I saw they pressed... My bad...

I'm sure they do it a lot; they've been rotating guys in quickly and they know what they're doing.  You're right, I haven't seen UNE much, I was just noting that they'd gone to the press.  Maybe they didn't expect WNEC to be so close at the half?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:15:16 PM

Salve's now up 1 with a minute to go in the second OT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:18:44 PM

UNE is dominating now.  When WNEC does break the press, they're just jacking threes.  UNE appears to be working on plays they might need in later rounds.  This one's over.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:21:34 PM

Salve wins 102-99 in 2OT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:23:28 PM
Any idea of the CSC-WIT game? I think most of us are in the dark on this one...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:23:28 PM
Any idea of the CSC-WIT game? I think most of us are in the dark on this one...

They haven't updated since the halftime score (43-39 CSC).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2009, 09:26:36 PM
 :)

This is my first time to see UNE.  Typical...

However, Jaykyri Simpson is out of gas.  

He would be "subbed for" in the ASC.  This is a very familiar style of play in the ASC.

Why is Simpson being allowed to get this "gassed" in the first round game, especially with the double digit lead?

We have "hundreds" of players like this in Texas.  If this creates a "mismatch" in New England, then coaches should look for talent in Texas.  

UNE 65 WNEC 47.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:37:26 PM

UNE wins.


Ralph, NE teams would love to bring in kids from Texas.  In my experience, when teams are able to do so on a regular basis (MIT, for example), they've got more well rounded squads.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:37:58 PM
CSC up 9 with a little over a minute left... 78-69
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:38:45 PM


So it looks like:

Gordon at CSC

Salve at UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:40:10 PM
You have to like the home teams in those matchups...
But both road teams have those single players that can just take over a game... (See Prezzie-Blue circa 2007)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2009, 09:43:49 PM
Final UNE 75, WNEC 59.

(Oh all you UNE Texans, it was clear skies, slight breeze and 80 degrees today in Dallas.  Great shirtsleeves weather!   ;)  Of course, you don't know how small a degree is until you only have 4 of them!  )

Maybe this opens up some pipelines for these types of players.

They are a dime-a-dozen down here. 

If they are a halfway serious student, then they may get playing time in the CCC that they might not get in the ASC.

I am interested in the UDallas games in the NEAC tourney.  UDallas is more half-court than UNE, but it is still that same small quick athlete who has seen lots of pressing and pressure defenses all his life.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2009, 09:45:12 PM

You are also looking at what is definitely a down year in New England and what appears to be a slight uptick for the Texas schools.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2009, 09:46:41 PM
It is official...

Wentworth 73      Colby-Sawyer 81     Final

As HoopsFan said...

(4) Salve @ (1) UNE
(3) Gordon @ (2) CSC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2009, 10:16:44 PM
I would have preferred an upset or two but now we get to see the top 4 go at it
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 24, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
CSC (81)
Chaloux, 26 (11-16), 9 rebs
Rosso 14
Lemieux 10

WIT (73)
Doyle, career-high 32 (12-18) to finish career with 1,504 points - also finished season 100-108 from FT line (.926)
West 15, 7 rebs

Wentworth outrebounded CSC 37-25 ... CSC shot 55.8%, WIT 45.1 ... CSC forced 20 turnovers, scoring 30 points off of them ... CSC was up by 17 with 6:28 left in the first half ... lead cut to four at half and was a four-point game with seven minutes left and one-point affair with under six left.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Quick run down:

Trigg had 17 points (7-17, 3-5 from 3-PT) and Gaskill added in 14 with 7 boards.

For RWU, only Corey Fava scored in double digits, 10, but that's simply their style of play.

Justin Woodworth goes for 29 (9-22, 7-17 3-PT) and Windell Hinkson dropped in 25 as well.

For Nichols, Pete Atkins had 23 points and 11 boards while John Costello added 20 and 14.

And Bill just showed us the CSC-WIT stats
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2009, 10:39:16 PM
Anyone know what happened to Bryan Riley, PG for Nichols?  He's been there all year but he isn't listed in tonight's box score
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 25, 2009, 12:44:19 AM
It was CSC vs. Todd Doyle tonight and CSC came out on top..bring on the Scots should be a great game to watch

Matt Abbott looked like he couldn't make 2nd team All-Intramurals..but then again I wouldn't be able to shoot with me in his head all game either
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2009, 07:16:23 AM
Is there any way to persuade the CSC AD/SID to find a way to broadcast their playoff games? Or at least do live stats?

We've gotten Salve, RWU, Gordon, UNE, WIT, etc...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 25, 2009, 09:06:57 AM

Matt Abbott looked like he couldn't make 2nd team All-Intramurals..but then again I wouldn't be able to shoot with me in his head all game either
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 25, 2009, 09:24:29 AM
Sorry, fingers got ahead of brain.

number1chargerfan:
Matt Abbott looked like he couldn't make 2nd team All-Intramurals..but then again I wouldn't be able to shoot with me in his head all game either


I think the same could be said of Szilega's non-performance.  But my guess is they were both canceling each other out as directed by their respective game plans.

Sounds like you did a good job from your position in the bleachers of NH!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 25, 2009, 09:29:02 AM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on February 25, 2009, 12:44:19 AM
It was CSC vs. Todd Doyle tonight and CSC came out on top..bring on the Scots should be a great game to watch

Matt Abbott looked like he couldn't make 2nd team All-Intramurals..but then again I wouldn't be able to shoot with me in his head all game either

So...not sure what this means, but are you implying that you, personally, function at a higher level when you are not in your own head?   Damn....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 25, 2009, 10:44:45 AM
Not a bad job by WNEC in the first half against UNE.  They played good defense, clogged the middle, and kept it close.  UNE played a little sloppy in the first half, shots were not falling, and Simpson got into some early foul trouble (hurt by some bad calls on some intense defense). Second half as usual UNE just kept running and WNEC could not keep pace.  Love the 10 seconds or less offense with the press defense.  Crowd gets into it and the points pile-up.  Great performances from Knoteck (I hope I got his name right) and others off the bench.  Hats off to the coaching staff of WNEC, their guys played hard throughout.   The Salve game should be pretty close Thursday, its gotta suck to travel up to UNE on a Thursday afternoon, student section will be crazy, hope the seagulls can respond.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2009, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: YeahBoss on February 25, 2009, 10:44:45 AM
and Simpson got into some early foul trouble (hurt by some bad calls on some intense defense)

That's the biggest problem with the officiating in our league, as I'm sure is the case with other surrounding leagues.  The refs are way too quick to call anything that may look like a foul, when rather it is exactly what you said, intense defense.  If the refs intend to move up and officiate on higher levels, then they need to watch a Division 1 and observe how much more freedom those players have.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing TCCC to any Division program. 

Then again, complaining about the refs gets you nowhere
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 02:42:28 PM
I did not discover the video until halftime of the UNE-WNEC game, but we have that problem with referees in the ASC where that "UNE" style of play is more common.  Sometimes the referees in the ASC have trouble keeping up with the pace of ASC ball.  The game is just played faster than they can comprehend the action.  It takes real effort to "ref" an ASC game.  There is a real skill to keeping up with the pace, not only in positioning and anticipation of the scenarios that play out, but in comprehending what the players can do!  We seem to have similar problems to what the CCC does that way.

The ASC tourneys should be video-streamed.  The men's teams that will play that aggressive style are LeTU, McMurry, Mississippi College, UTTyler.

Concordia-Texas (10-15/9-12)  beat WPI 86-85 in Austin over the Christmas break.  They play up tempo, more offense and 3FG's than the others.  UMHB and UTD play more traditional half-court styles, but still have speed.

As for the women, you will see aggressive defense by McMurry, Howard Payne, Mississippi College, UT-Tyler and Hardin-Simmons, especially.  McMurry women (20-5/17-4) beat Bates women in Florida 66-42.  Hardin-Simmons women (20-5/16-5) beat Babson 84-75 in OT in Nassau over the holidays.  UMHB (13-12/12-9) women play less pressure, but nevertheless, beat Southern Maine women at Trinity TX 82-73.  ASC women's basketball is beautiful!

If you would like to see what the UNE players were competing against in Texas high schools, I encourage you to follow the ASC tourney video-streams.  McMurry hosts the women.  UT-Dallas hosts the men.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 25, 2009, 05:16:27 PM
From my experience the problem with the refs in the UNE area is that they also work the high school games in the area. Now most are good refs and they don't have an easy job, but there are a chosen few who ruin it for everyone else.  They can't change the way they ref a high school game and the way they ref a college game, which creates a problem. In the end there are not many people who want to ref a game, not a lot of new blood, and so those of us in Maine will just have to deal with it. Our sincere apology to those of you from MA that come and play here.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2009, 07:34:39 PM

You also have the depth of competition for refs, too.  Now supposedly there is some system that doles out refs to NCAA schools so the smaller conferences don't get stuck with the worst refs, but there has to be some tier system. With so many schools in the area, it's difficult to get enough people.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2009, 12:27:52 PM
According to the SID of CSC... "Sorry to inform you that we do not have live game stats this year but we are looking to get them for all sports in the near future most likely starting in the fall."

Looks like we'll get a halftime score... And then a final...

Rough duty...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2009, 07:39:58 PM
Halftime at CSC... Gordon getting pummeled....

33-17
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on February 26, 2009, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: scout on February 26, 2009, 07:39:58 PM
Halftime at CSC... Gordon getting pummeled....

33-17

Ive been checking out the UNE game, and they too are trailing at the half (by 5).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2009, 07:54:34 PM
http://d3scoreboard.com/CCC/scoreboard (http://d3scoreboard.com/CCC/scoreboard) D3Scoreboard is updating scores pretty frequently for CSC-Gordon...

With 19:00 min left, Gordon's pulled within 12.... 34-22
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2009, 08:02:41 PM
CSC 48 - Gordon 38  13:00 left
UNE 45 - Salve 42  17:00 left
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
CSC looks to have this one in hand... 54-41 with a little over 8 min left...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on February 26, 2009, 08:14:13 PM
UNE up 56-52, under 12 left.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2009, 08:34:30 PM
Salve Regina 73, UNE 70,  2:43 left.
UNE Anthony Johnson at the line 1&1,  good and good. 73-72 2:35 

Good crowd at UNE tonight.

UNE ball  --Jefferson got the rebound. Belmonte hits his first basket, a runner. UNE 74-73
Salve Regina at the line. 1&1. time out 1:15 left.


Missed FT UNE rebounds
UNE -- bad pass by UNE.
SR -- shot blocked out of bounds 41.2 sec;  UNE leads 74-73. Time out. SR ball.
SR -- calls time on the in-bounds attempt.
SR -- traveling call.  Time out UNE with the ball 39.1 left.


UNE -- Rentrope fouled intentionally.  FT good and good. UNE 76-73. 0:30
SR -- Jaykyri Simpson fouls out 0:21 left. Boyd makes both UNE 76-75 0:21 

UNE -- Belmonte misses both FT's.
SR -- misses the floater.   UNE's Johnny Jefferson gets the reb and is fouled 0:03.7
UNE -- Johnson is an 88% FT shooter.  Timeout.  FT x2 --  Missed and good. UNE 77-75 0:03.7 left
SR -- 3FG no good.  UNE wins 77-75

UNE hosts the finals.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 26, 2009, 08:37:10 PM
CSC moves onto the championship game... 72-54

They are now awaiting the final of the other game to see if they're traveling or hosting on Saturday...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2009, 08:51:37 PM
UNE hosts CSC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2009, 10:05:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2009, 08:51:37 PM
UNE hosts CSC

Should be a good one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 26, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
Great work on the updates scout, Ralph, and hugenerd.  I suppose this is what everyone was hoping for in the finals.

Salve put up a better fight than I had expected, going down to the very last possession.  Justin Woodworth came to play; he had 27 points and 10 rebounds while Windell Hickson chipped in with 16 of his own.  Jefferson dropped in 18 points and Quentin Thompson added 16.  There a total of 60 turnovers by both team and combined they shot 43 3-pointers.  Must have been entertaining to say the least.

Colby-Sawyer jumped out to a very every lead, 19-9, in the first ten minutes and never looked back.  I didn't see the game so I don't know why Aaron Trigg only shot 2-15, including 0-9 from 3-PT, but he certainly needed more than 5 points.  CSC was able to out-rebounded Gordon 34-24 as well as shooting ten more free throws.  Jon Chaloux led CSC with 23 points and 7 boards while Matt Lemieux scored 18 with 7 assists.  Bajema was the only player to score in double figures for GC as he had 24 points from 9-13 shooting.

Number1chargerfan, we await your input
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 26, 2009, 11:23:37 PM
What a game! It was fast paced, sometimes ugly, always entertaining. Good job by Salve tonight, the game could have gone the other way if not for some traveling calls that hurt their momentum. Belmonte did not have many points for UNE, but he hit some big shots at the end.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on February 26, 2009, 11:30:22 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 26, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
Great work on the updates scout, Ralph, and hugenerd.  I suppose this is what everyone was hoping for in the finals.

We had the tag-team working pretty well there.

Quote from: backboard on February 26, 2009, 10:41:13 PM

Salve put up a better fight than I had expected, going down to the very last possession.  Justin Woodworth came to play; he had 27 points and 10 rebounds while Windell Hickson chipped in with 16 of his own.  Jefferson dropped in 18 points and Quentin Thompson added 16.  There a total of 60 turnovers by both team and combined they shot 43 3-pointers.  Must have been entertaining to say the least.


I dont watch much CCC basketball, but in the UNE/SR game, it didnt seem like anyone on UNE wanted to rebound.  Watching the game, my impression was that Salve got a ton of offensive rebounds, and looking at the box score, that is indeed true.  SR had 20 offensive rebounds and outrebounded UNE 43-26 (is it common for UNE to be outrebounded so badly?).  If it wasnt for 33 turnovers, Salve might have won the game (UNE wasnt much better with 27).  I think 60 turnovers might be the most I have seen this year for a game in d3 (I am sure there has been a game with more, but I havent seen it).  Regardless UNE survives, but I dont think they will win any more games this season playing like that (in the CCC final or in any postseason tourney they may play in).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 27, 2009, 12:03:22 AM
Trigg was as unheard from as his stat sheet shows and Bajema did his best to pick up the slack but it proved to be not enough

Gordon's big (number 3? not sure of a name) fouled out relatively early and that hurt them on the boards they also had 2 lane violations and other costly mistakes but CSC played the best basketball I've seen them play thus far and surprisingly didn't shoot a lot of 3's..usually their bread and butter

I was surprised by a decent turnout by Gordon's Pit as they had a fan bus full of students and supporters but even that couldn't help the Scots out of this one. The stable was the best it's been since the days of St. Clair

Here we go..for all the marbles CSC-UNE rematch..I plan to be there and am looking forward to a great game no matter who comes out on top

p.s I'm honored to have moved up over the years from ignored poster to someone who's input is respected (at least I hope) thanks guys you're all great!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2009, 07:33:36 AM
Looking at the stats, if CSC plays on Saturday anywhere near the level they did last night, they'll beat UNE by 10 plus.

It seems that no matter the talent level of the squad, no matter they teams they play, CSC is always well coached and the team executes its gameplan consistently. Congrats to them on a VERY solid win last night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 27, 2009, 10:42:04 AM
Looking at the box score from the regular season match-up, its almost surprising that CSC lost the game on their floor. I guess it comes down to the CSC turnovers, UNE points off the turnovers, and UNE's second chance points.  UNE got outrebounded in that game as they did last night so I don't know, if they lose the rebound battle on Sat., if that will pay a part. I'm sure the coaching staff for UNE wants to keep the rebound stats closer than they were last night, but in the end it can come down to what your team does better than anyone else.  UNE seems to know their identity, they run the fast break better than anyone in the conference, I think that might even put up more points than anyone else in the conference but I'll have to check. Their press defense is better than anyone else in the conference. What does CSC do better than anyone else, what is their ultimate strength? CSC does not have to be the all around best team to win, if they do one or two things better than anyone else then they can win.  Press out on the outlets to stop the fast break, clog the middle in the half court set, make UNE settle for jumpers, out rebound UNE on both ends, etc. If CSC can do even a few of these things perfect for one game then they'll be conference champs.  But who knows for sure, these are young men who will have good days and bad days. Who knows how the refs will treat Simpson and how he responds?
  My choice: the fast break, more scoring opportunities, the press on the home floor, the home crowd, not having to traval, the deeper team with balanced scoring, knowing you do something better than anyone in your conference does anything else, the confidence that comes with already beating someone on their court, the stupid mascot, the igloo, harvard of maine, and everything else. UNE.
But who knows, I coud be wrong, worst things have happened.

Also: I was not at the regular season match-up, is there anything else about these two teams that we are missing?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2009, 10:51:37 AM
Quote from: scout on February 23, 2009, 09:16:29 PM




 
 
 


Avg. Pt MarginFG %Opp FG%3PT%Opp 3PT%FT%Opp FT%Reb MarginAssist/TOOpp Assist/TOSteals/Game
UNE7.545.4%47.3%37.0%32.4%65.9%64.3%-20.940.7312.40
CSC10.544.2%39.4%36.8%29.0%71.7%64.3%30.940.598.17


I thought it would be prudent to post these stats again to give a look into what CSC and UNE bring to the table.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2009, 10:54:33 AM
From what I see, it appears that UNE runs more fast break and forces more turnovers in their press defense. CSC, on the other hand, has a more half-court stifling defense. Both teams have the exact same assist to turnover ratio, but CSC forces more turnovers (even though UNE has more steals).

CSC has the better scoring defense and don't allow many three point shots at all.

On a neutral court, I'd give CSC the advantage for sure... But at UNE, I'm not so sure. Salve is like a poor man's CSC and they almost pulled out the win last night...

I'm going to have to go with CSC on this one I think...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2009, 11:54:12 AM

In my estimation it will come down to how well the CSC guards handle the pressure.  If they remain calm and move the ball efficiently to get into a half-court set most of the time, they will win.  If UNE's pressure ups the tempo, CSC will have trouble.

Fortunately, CSC's reputation of hitting the boards hard and playing solid halfcourt D is the perfect foil to UNE's style of play.

Hopefully I'll be able to see at least part of the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2009, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 27, 2009, 11:54:12 AM
Fortunately, CSC's reputation of hitting the boards hard and playing solid halfcourt D is the perfect foil to UNE's style of play.

I completely agree. I feel like the Gordon-UNE game gave teams the perfect blueprint to beat the Nor'easters. Slow the game down as much as possible. Use the shot clock, work the ball around the perimeter to eventually find the open man inside. Take the best shot possible and crash the boards. On defense, get back and play as tight a man-to-man as possible. Again, crash the boards.

Simply put, limit the amount of time UNE has the ball. Get the ball over halfcourt and use the clock.

CSC out-Gordoned Gordon last night. I think CSC has a solid chance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
We should all be thankful for two things:  A great matchup that has previosly resulted in a good game and secondly, the fact that it isn't being played at Curry again.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2009, 01:26:30 PM
Agreed...

UNE's gym is solid... Though I long for a championship game to be played at Endicott or Gordon. Those two plus Roger Williams are perhaps the best three venues in TCCC.

What's more... At least there will be a live stream of the game for those who won't be able to make it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 27, 2009, 03:37:38 PM
Live stream and a decent job by the "Voice of the Nor'easters" young man(can't remember the name).  Over/Under on the times he says "Splash!" is 5. I'll take the over. "Belmonte brings the ball up the court for the nor'easters, passes off to Jefferson in the corner, from downtown, SPLASH!" Love it.
The info on CSC is great by-the-way.  The two contrasting styles will be interesting to see. Who will be able to force the other team to play their style, I think UNE played a very tight game this season, low scoring, maybe against Roger Williams.  Has CSC played a fast break game this year, can they run with UNE if they have to?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 27, 2009, 04:47:06 PM
It's been said numerous times..but CSC played UNE hard the first time around..and probably could have won that game..Lemieux and the other guards have been playing out of their minds these playoffs and I do not think UNE has anyone that can stop Chaloux..and if Szeliga gets on as he often does..things should get interesting
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2009, 06:24:06 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 27, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
We should all be thankful for two things:  A great matchup that has previosly resulted in a good game and secondly, the fact that it isn't being played at Curry again.

Hey, stop ragging on Curry.  I've attended three games at their gym and only twice did physical confrontations between players and fans break out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 27, 2009, 09:57:31 PM
Well played sir.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 28, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
Wow! Thanks for all the Curry love! Miller Gym has seen it's last game after a 52 year run. The new place is almost complete and will be a very nice addition to the campus as well as  to the conference. I hope everyone enjoys it as much as we will because over the next 3 years all of the Championship Games will be played there!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 28, 2009, 06:02:21 AM
Must be something strange in the Milton water.  As Rick Pitino would say, "Tim Jones isn't walking through that door."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 28, 2009, 07:59:34 AM
So predictions for today's game?

Before the tourney started, I picked UNE to win the whole thing. After seeing how CSC has played over its last two games, I'm starting to second guess things...

CSC 78 - UNE 69

We'll see...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 28, 2009, 08:05:38 AM
UNE played their worst game of the season Thursday and still won.  ???
It was "opposite" night - they did the opposite of everything they've done all year.
Today they will get back to their normal game and win.  :o
UNE 72   CSC 64
;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 28, 2009, 08:31:00 AM
On the UNE floor, home crowd feeding a fast pace that CSC will have to prevent if they want to win, CSC has already peaked on Thursday while UNE will be determined to play better, UNE 76 CSC 64.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 28, 2009, 10:21:46 AM
I'll be doing all in my power to counteract the home court advantage and I hold my own talents as a fan highly..almost too highly..therefore..CSC 75 UNE 70
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on February 28, 2009, 11:35:10 AM
Number1Chargerfan, for all of us watching the game online, do something of note so we can see you, no streaking!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hoops55 on February 28, 2009, 12:24:09 PM
How does Mark Mastrullo get left off an all conference team? Curry didn't have a strong season but he cleary is a top guard in the conference. Any player who can score over a grand through there junior season and cant break an honorable mention selection is clearly being overlooked.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 28, 2009, 01:01:29 PM
YeahBoss and all others interested..I will be the one in the front of all the CSC fans..probably yelling things that my mother would be ashamed of and jumping around like a wild man..hopefully I look good via webcast haha
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 28, 2009, 01:16:05 PM
UNE's motto all year had been "Unfinished Business."  It will conclude with a championship.  UNE 89-CSC 81
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2009, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: boston ball 56 on February 28, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
Wow! Thanks for all the Curry love! Miller Gym has seen it's last game after a 52 year run. The new place is almost complete and will be a very nice addition to the campus as well as  to the conference. I hope everyone enjoys it as much as we will because over the next 3 years all of the Championship Games will be played there!

Good news, although I did enjoy watching games there.  Not too many people could fit in, but you were always close to the action.  Good to hear that the new facility will be ready to go next year, coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 28, 2009, 07:20:57 PM
18-17 early UNE lead...

3 fouls on Anthony Johnson, though, of UNE...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 28, 2009, 08:18:19 PM
With 14 min to play...

UNE 65 - CSC 55
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 28, 2009, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: scout on February 28, 2009, 08:18:19 PM
With 14 min to play...

UNE 65 - CSC 55
74-69 UNE with about 4:40 left.

Robinson drains a three as the shot clock expires...81-73 UNE with 2:13 left
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 28, 2009, 08:54:09 PM
Congratulations to UNE!  90-79 Final

It looked like just an unreal atmosphere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on February 28, 2009, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 28, 2009, 01:16:05 PM
UNE's motto all year had been "Unfinished Business."  It will conclude with a championship.  UNE 89-CSC 81
WOW backboard...you almost nailed the score
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on March 01, 2009, 12:22:06 AM
I really don't know how that corps of refs got the championship game gig..good lord call a hand check

I'll try not to be negative..good game by both teams..Matt Lemieux goes down with 10 minutes left comes back to finish out the game..all heart

We'll be back next year I'll be a 5th year senior and hopefully finally see my boys win the big one..

Great season of basketball by all teams in the conference
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hooktonhoops14 on March 01, 2009, 12:36:37 AM
(Just registered today!)  As a huge Gordon fan, watching any of the game today was a bit painful.  A great game on both ends by two teams who absolutely deserved to be there...

Matt Lemieux and I are from the same city, and he's been destroying my teams since I was 12 years old and was guarding him unsuccessfully myself. 

The refs gave UNE a lot of breaks, and called a lot of fouls on CSC that they would never have called on UNE.  I guess that's the reward you get for playing such aggressive defense...

Great tournament in the CCC.  Let's hope these programs continue to get better...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 01, 2009, 07:32:37 AM
Congrats to UNE on the winning the championship.  It's a great time to be a fan of the Nor'easters as their team is still going to be very talented in the upcoming years.  Best of luck to them in the NCAA Tournament.  Hopefully they can represent the CCC well and don't get a first round matchup of Middlebury or a WPI.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 01, 2009, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: hooktonhoops14 on March 01, 2009, 12:36:37 AM
(Just registered today!)  As a huge Gordon fan, watching any of the game today was a bit painful.  A great game on both ends by two teams who absolutely deserved to be there...

Matt Lemieux and I are from the same city, and he's been destroying my teams since I was 12 years old and was guarding him unsuccessfully myself. 

The refs gave UNE a lot of breaks, and called a lot of fouls on CSC that they would never have called on UNE.  I guess that's the reward you get for playing such aggressive defense...

Great tournament in the CCC.  Let's hope these programs continue to get better...

Welcome to the board.  As a Gordon fan, you're well aware of the fact that your team always disappoints in the second round of the playoffs.  It's bascallly guranteed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on March 01, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Congratulations to UNE.  They were consistent and earned the title.  I watched them play 3 games this year starting with the early season WIT/UNE non-conference game (90-91).  I'm not an X's and O's critic but 2 observations.

1)  Unlike most TCCC teams UNE never took a play off.  They didn't rest during transitions and they took advantage of players who jogged or lost focus for even an instant.  Call that a "Texas" style if you want, I call it good conditioning, court discipline, and smart ball (coach of the year).

2) Even though WIT only played UNE 2 times I saw 3 games.  Thanks to the video link last night I was saved from some bad TV (OK, I did have some Div I ball muted on the tube, but it was background for this game).  In my opinion a video link (or at least live stats) should be the rule not the exception.  We spent some time this year discussing how backwards Biddeford is...well they were way ahead with this quality broadcast.  The video links from Gordon and UNE are a benefit to more than just the fans.  Players love to be seen (all sports and even theater), prospective students (and parents) are noticing tech savy schools, and the students broadcasting the event also benefit.  Technology and communication programs at all TCCC schools should take advantage to offer some real world experience and resume' building.  Those that don't will be seen as backwards.

Good luck to UNE in the Show!  
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 02, 2009, 11:24:52 AM
UNE draws Farmingdale State with a possible second round matchup of RIC of MIT...

UNE has a shot at winning the first game... If they do, and draw MIT... They have a shot at that game too...

Remember, Gordon beat MIT in a close one...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 02, 2009, 03:04:32 PM
Quote from: scout on March 02, 2009, 11:24:52 AM
UNE draws Farmingdale State with a possible second round matchup of RIC of MIT...

UNE has a shot at winning the first game... If they do, and draw MIT... They have a shot at that game too...

Remember, Gordon beat MIT in a close one...

Over/under on UNE-FarmSt must be approaching 225
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on March 02, 2009, 06:40:19 PM
CSC drew the number 2 seed in ECAC's..host in state rival Rivier on Wednesday Night

Hopefully we can take home this tournament and be the best of ...the rest
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on March 02, 2009, 08:25:22 PM
Does anybody know if the UNE game will be broadcast in video or audio?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on March 03, 2009, 10:18:09 AM
RIC is going to broadcast their game online, maybe they'll broadcast the UNE game since its in their house anyway.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on March 03, 2009, 12:23:54 PM
Austin, Texas vs NYC!  Classic match-up. 

Great location for the game as well.  Hopefully TCCC players and fans will be there to give UNE some additional support.  Represent!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on March 03, 2009, 04:01:50 PM
Rhode Island SID says that the UNE - Farmingdale will be webcast either by RIC or UNE ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCChoopsfan10 on March 04, 2009, 01:23:24 PM
I've been to a few UNE games this year and they have progressed well from exibition to nonconference games and tournament play. I have yet been able to watch the Farmingdale State team compete. I feel if UNE plays their game and everyone crashes the boards they have a good shot to win.

lets throw out some predictions for this game?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NorEasterNasty on March 04, 2009, 02:14:45 PM
Both of the teams had outstanding regular seasons, 20 in a row for state and 19 in a row for UNE... however the Noreasters finished strong while state lost in their conference  championship. UNE is on a roll and hungry for more... and expect to see coach of the year Mulligan have his boys ready to play friday night... Texas over NYC 85-80....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on March 04, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: CCChoopsfan10 on March 04, 2009, 01:23:24 PM
I've been to a few UNE games this year and they have progressed well from exibition to nonconference games and tournament play. I have yet been able to watch the Farmingdale State team compete. I feel if UNE plays their game and everyone crashes the boards they have a good shot to win.

lets throw out some predictions for this game?

Farmingdale has a half-dozen players over 6'5", UNE has, hold on let me count em' again...0 (zero).  Crashing the boards isn't the key (in my opinion).  They will continue to pressure the ball, force turnovers, push the O, and hope they can frustrate the NYC players into a small ball, running battle.  All the while converting TO's to points.  The ending stats will show Farmingdale winning the boards, UNE the turnovers.  UNE 95-94.

If the ending stats don't show UNE with a significant TO advantage they lose by 15.

Yup, 2 predictions for the price of one.  And both worth exactly what you paid.  See you at the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NorEasterNasty on March 04, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
Ya state has a lot more size and it will definitely help them on the glass, but UNE will us it to there advantage. The bigs will be forced to guard our guards (since all we have is guards) and UNE will either shoot over them with space or blow by them if they are defended closely. If Johnny Jefferson is hitting his shots (chances are good, that boy can stroke) and Jaykyri Simpson stays out of foul trouble, i can see UNE coming out on top.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 04, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
I haven't done enough research to make an official score prediction, but I will say this. This is the best chance for a CCC team to win its opening round game of the national tourney since Gordon played Utica a few years ago. That game was withing four points with less than a minute to go...

I see this game having similar possibilities.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GnacAlum55 on March 04, 2009, 08:06:44 PM
Endicott has advertised for a basketball coach.  Did Milette get fired or quit?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 04, 2009, 08:23:01 PM
I think he was fired
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GnacAlum55 on March 04, 2009, 09:04:41 PM
This is the only thing I could find...

http://www.hoopdirt.com

No mention of what went down and nothing on EC's website.  The ad is up on the NCAA job site.

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobdetail.cfm?job=3086407
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCChoopsfan10 on March 05, 2009, 11:50:04 AM
I did some research and saw that Farm State only has 2 productive players off the bench so they are not that deep of a team. However, UNE has 9 players that average 15 minutes or more. SO they can implement that press and dog State players. Also, if they can get a couple players in foul trouble it could pose problems.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 05, 2009, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: GnacAlum55 on March 04, 2009, 09:04:41 PM
This is the only thing I could find...

http://www.hoopdirt.com

No mention of what went down and nothing on EC's website.  The ad is up on the NCAA job site.

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobdetail.cfm?job=3086407

I do feel bad for Millette as he was walking into some really big shoes.  Although the program had been slumping in recent years, I felt that under his watch they would really improve the next upcoming season.  But I guess that's just too much time to waste and that's what happens when your have a strong program history.



Enough about that, where is everyone?  I'm pretty sure there's an NCAA tournament game that involves a CCC team tomorrow.  We should all show support (maybe CSC doesn't have to) and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2009, 03:05:12 PM
I posted UNE's tournament profile on the appropriate board. Let me know if I missed anything glaring.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2009, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: CCChoopsfan10 on March 05, 2009, 11:50:04 AM
I did some research and saw that Farm State only has 2 productive players off the bench so they are not that deep of a team. However, UNE has 9 players that average 15 minutes or more. SO they can implement that press and dog State players. Also, if they can get a couple players in foul trouble it could pose problems.

Both teams play similar styles; I'd say Farmingdale is the favorite, although not by enough to really matter on a neutral court.  I did pick UNE to lose in my bracket, though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2009, 08:56:08 PM
This was posted in reply to the profile of UNE that I posted....

"scout, someone from UNE should contact ESPN.  They like stories like this, esp. with the angle of Texas players going to college in Biddeford with lobster traps floating next to campus.  ESPN can cover the UNE story after they get done interviewing MIT.   Wink"

-T990
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 05, 2009, 10:39:51 PM
ESPN likes stories about schools over-recruiting out of region, some of whom go home and some of whom fail off at the break but by law of averages a few work out and they cobble together a run and win their league one time?

Sounds heartwarming
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on March 05, 2009, 11:22:11 PM
i can't support UNE for obvious reasons...CSC basically threw the ECAC game against Riv..again for obvious reasons

I wish them the best and it makes CSC look better if they make a little run..and it also helps out the rep for the TCCC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on March 05, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
Maybe call Bob Ley about UNE..he likes those kindof stories on a thing called Outside the Lines..I'm just joking..kindof
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on March 06, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
Before you contact the national media maybe you should call the UNE team and let them know that they should stop telling everyone in Maine that they are going to college for free.  Just a tip.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 06, 2009, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: uconn05 on March 06, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
Before you contact the national media maybe you should call the UNE team and let them know that they should stop telling everyone in Maine that they are going to college for free.  Just a tip.

Absolutely hilarious... I'm not in the area anymore, but I agree that it's virtually impossible for anyone from the southern midwest to DESIRE to go to Biddeford freaking Maine.

I'm in the Kansas City area and I'd be stunned to hear two people in a year bring up the word Maine.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on March 06, 2009, 09:44:11 AM
i have a feeling you could find alot of people in the kansas city area who would rather be in maine, even in the biddeford area. maine is called vacationland for a reason!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 06, 2009, 10:02:56 AM
Please let's not start this discussion again

Biddeford > Everywhere else
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2009, 11:05:38 AM
Quote from: yeah buddy on March 06, 2009, 09:44:11 AM
maine is called vacationland for a reason!

Although I'd be hardpressed to figure out what that reason is.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NorEasterNasty on March 06, 2009, 11:19:51 AM
The UNE players do not tell everyone that they are coming here for free, im assuming you have never talked to one of them. Biddeford is a long way from Texas, but some of them actually enjoy it up here... gets them away from everything and its something new for them... but thats not the point, the point is that two years ago UNE one of the worst teams in TCCC and they were a fluke game @ gordon from running the conference table this year... like them or not but they outplayed everyone all year and look to continue that tonight... Im sorry that we embarrassed CSC a few times this year but you can still cheer for your conference in the big dance... ill be at the game tonight and let everyone know how it goes
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on March 06, 2009, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on March 05, 2009, 11:22:11 PM
i can't support UNE for obvious reasons

LET IT GO! :P
YOU LOST TWICE...DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON! :'(
IF CSC WERE IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT, I'D BE ROOTING FOR THEM!
GO NOR'EASTERS...YOU CAN DO IT...FOR YOU AND THE TCCC ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2009, 09:07:34 PM

This is one of the sloppiest games I've seen in a while.  UNE is getting steamrolled.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2009, 09:17:35 PM
UNE down 16 at the half.  Team is 4-22 from deep; lots of sloppy shots.  Jefferson and Simpson both have three fouls.  Not good times; bad times.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2009, 09:38:47 PM
Jefferson picked up foul #4 with 15:50 on the game clock.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 06, 2009, 09:42:42 PM
So much for TCCC gaining respect
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2009, 09:51:02 PM
Quote from: backboard on March 06, 2009, 09:42:42 PM
So much for TCCC gaining respect

The underacheiving CSC team of the mid 90's was really our only shot at respect.  Gordon may still get there, but having an off year this year won't help.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2009, 10:03:24 PM

UNE down 30 with 5 minutes to play.  5-37 from deep (maybe they should have stopped shooting those at some point).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on March 07, 2009, 07:28:11 AM
Too bad UNE.
Bad time to have the worst shooting game of the year.
10 for 46 from 3 point land = 21.7%
If they had shot their season average of 34.9% it would have been 18 points closer, but I still think FCS would have won.
Oh well, live by the 3 or die by the 3...I think the stooges or musketeeers once said that!
FSC's size, rebounding and experience should take them far in the tournament.
Great year everybody...what will we do without TCCC basketball?
I'm going to go clean off my golf clubs.
See ya in October.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on March 07, 2009, 08:33:23 AM
What a year! Farmingdale had a great game from their bigs, they could dribble and help out while getting pressed. Did not see that in the conference this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 07, 2009, 10:30:28 AM
Big players in big games

Jefferson 3-13 from 3
Thompson 1-9 from 3


Thanks for showing up guys
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 07, 2009, 12:39:51 PM
No more CCC basketball for about 9 months.

It's Aaron Trigg's league now as Gordon looks to be the favorite going into next season

Nichols should be pretty strong too (still not sure why their PG missed the playoffs)

Curry most likely will be back in the playoffs

UNE should still be solid and I shutter to think what type of recruits they have coming in from Texas (if any)

CSC will be looking for a new identity but will probably find a way to sneak into the playoffs

Salve now passes the torch to Windell Hinkson as he takes over for Woodworth

WIT will finally be a team where the big men don't hide behind the guards limelight

WNEC loses their two best players

Endicott will have a new coach and should be very solid next year as they return to the playoffs

NEC can only go up

Regis has some nice pieces to continue to build around

Eastern Naz should improve since they didn't lose anyone to graduation

Anna Maria will have plenty of veteran leadership and could possibly pull off one or two more upsets

RWU will continue to be a tough out
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 07, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Riley from Nichols broke a few bones in his face and missed the playoffs, tough kid, he'll be back and ready to go
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: YeahBoss on March 08, 2009, 12:48:56 AM
It feels like big ten basketball out there. Besides UNE who can really put up points. Some of the games this year were in the 40s and 50s. I expected Cousy to come out and only dribble with his right hand, or Hickory to pass the ball four times before they shot the ball. Spread the floor, run the ball down the court, have some fun. If the tallest guy on your team runs the floor like Sabonis and dribbles like Wesley Snipes then get him off the court. Some of these teams have got to catch up with the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 08, 2009, 09:07:10 AM
The whole conference needs to catchup with the rest of the country.  UNE is not exempt from that
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2009, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: backboard on March 08, 2009, 09:07:10 AM
The whole conference needs to catchup with the rest of the country.  UNE is not exempt from that

It's all cyclical.  The CCC is never going to be a big-time power conference, but the top teams can compete from time to time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCChoopsfan10 on March 15, 2009, 12:14:06 AM
Andy Trigg should be able to put up quality numbers next year and contend for POY and Gordon should be the early favorites to win the conference with UNE and Nichols contending as well...

hey Nor'Easter Nasty is there anything that you have heard about for possible recruits coming to sunny Biddeford Maine?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BornBalla on March 15, 2009, 07:50:44 PM
What happened at Endicott? where did coach go? Move to another job or fired? Few years back they were in NCAA tournet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on March 24, 2009, 11:12:30 PM
anyone have any idea who some leading candidates are for the Endicott job?  It will be interesting to see what direction they go in...

One has to wonder if perhaps Plansky may be getting the itch to coach again...

Or if former Gull Jeremy Currier is interested in returning to his former stomping grounds (currently serves as Associate Head Coach at Division 2 Pfeiffer University in NC)...

When Milette was originally hired it was the second week in April I believe so if history is any indication we could be seeing the new Endicott coach within the next 3 weeks or so...

anyone heard of any candidates?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 25, 2009, 10:15:53 AM

Currier may be a good option, although if they didn't give Millette a great deal of time to win, perhaps they're not looking to give someone their first job.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BornBalla on March 25, 2009, 10:41:21 AM
That would be interesting. Coach Plansky back in the saddle again. What happened 4 years ago when he left? What is Plansky doing now? Currier would be interesting too? Gotta believe a young coach could get the talent there. Can he coach?

I would imagine they would get a great deal of interest from current Head coaches as well. Salary range is 55K-60K. That seems like a great pay to coach D3 basketball. Plus I here their facility is nice. What kind of academic ranking does the school have? The CCC is a weird league with some schools that are  considered academically strong and others that are flat out awful. Where's Endicott fall in that picture?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on March 25, 2009, 01:04:52 PM
I agree Plansky could potentially be intriguing.... It was my understanding he left to become the Athletic Director at Marblehead high school where he still is...

as far as Currier... he got his first college coaching gig (I believe) in 2006-07 when he started as an Assistant Coach at Daniel Webster College.  He spent one year as an assistant and they improved to 6-18 (after having been 0-25 the previous year).  In February immediately following his first year as an assistant he was named Head Coach for the 2007-08 season.  He spent one year as the head coach there and posted a 7-19 record.  Then he left for Pfeiffer University (NC), a Division 2 school where he currently serves as the lead assistant under Dave Davis.  The team finished 16-12 this season.

As stated with the salary and facilities being what they are I'm sure there will be a ton of interest, it will be interesting though to see who gets the nod to bring Endicott back to where Plansky had left them...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on March 25, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
Also worth passing along for those who may be interested (I hope this isn't old news and if it is I apologize...)

but former CCC standout Sherrad Prezzie-Blue is currently playing professionally in England, he is signed to the Northampton Neptunes.

This is the same team that had signed former Colby-Sawyer great Andrew St. Clair to a contract a couple of years ago...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 26, 2009, 10:46:37 AM
Endicott hasn't had the best academic reputation.  We have to remember it wasn't very long ago that they were a two year institution.  They have been working hard to form themselves into a respected 4-year school, but of course, that is a journey that often takes more time than it should.

They do have great facilities and if they're paying that much for a head men's basketball coach, they'll have plenty of worthy candidates.

EC has shown they're dedicated to building a solid athletic program, so I suspect they'll come out of this just fine.  I was one who thought Millette would be a fantastically successful coach.  He was credited with the recruitment of both this year's and last year's senior class at Brandeis.  I guess he wasn't as good a coach as he was a recruiter and apparently Endicott isn't as easy to sell to kids as is Brandeis.  No shame there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 27, 2009, 05:28:29 PM
Quote from: broke_ya_ankles on March 25, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
Also worth passing along for those who may be interested (I hope this isn't old news and if it is I apologize...)

but former CCC standout Sherrad Prezzie-Blue is currently playing professionally in England, he is signed to the Northampton Neptunes.

This is the same team that had signed former Colby-Sawyer great Andrew St. Clair to a contract a couple of years ago...

I knew Prezzie-Blue went over seas, just didn't follow him thoroughly enough to know which team.

I looked up his statistics, which were almost impossible to find.    In 12 games, he averaged 25.5 points.  Take it for what it's worth, but not bad for a kid in his first professional year.

Nice to see that he's doing his best to represent the CCC, as well as himself, in a good way
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on April 03, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
crazy!!!!

http://www.hoopdirt.com/job/983f80a9/phil-rowe-hired-at-endicott/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 04, 2009, 01:34:39 AM
Quote from: jamiejohn on April 03, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
crazy!!!!

http://www.hoopdirt.com/job/983f80a9/phil-rowe-hired-at-endicott/

If you pay it; they will come.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BornBalla on April 04, 2009, 10:46:10 AM
Who were the other candidates for Endicott job? Phil Rowe has lots of experience. I guess that was the key. Considering the last coach had none, we can assume Endicott didn't want to go that road again. Really curious who other candidates were.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on April 06, 2009, 09:28:29 AM
It's official, Endicott has hired Phil Rowe as the next Men's Basketball Coach.

Rowe has spent a fair amount of time in New England D3 basketball with Plymouth State, Keene State, and NEC.  Also spent time as an Assistant with George Washington (back when they were really good), and as the Head Coach at UNH a few years back.  Endicott made their decision pretty quickly so it looks like they found their guy in Rowe pretty early on...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: BornBalla on April 07, 2009, 08:38:18 AM
Guess Rowe was interested in the job a few years back too.

http://seacoastauction.com/2005news/05062005/sports/40905.htm
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 08, 2009, 12:47:37 PM
Quote from: BornBalla on April 07, 2009, 08:38:18 AM
Guess Rowe was interested in the job a few years back too.

http://seacoastauction.com/2005news/05062005/sports/40905.htm

I wonder if they went after him this time, what with the speed of the process and all.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on April 29, 2009, 07:43:49 PM
Looks like Gordon is in need of a new coach.  Schauer moving on to one of the top d3 programs in th country.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: thundermike on April 29, 2009, 10:57:16 PM
Mike Schauer is now the head coach at Wheaton College

http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2009/4/29/MBB_0429092958.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on May 05, 2009, 05:03:58 PM
Indeed. I wish Coach Schauer well, as this is certainly his dream job. He heads back to his alma mater with a successful program to develop even further.

In terms of Gordon, I have no idea what to expect. A number of variables contribute to this...

1) Any inside track on information anyone associated with Gordon would have had vanished when Joe Hakes left for Millikin [sic?].
2) There is no precedent for following up the success of a coach like Schauer. He built this program to what it is from scratch.
3) All the job description on the Gordon website says is 'previous collegiate coaching experience is expected.' That, along with a required Bachelor's degree and preferred Master's degree... And the ever-important 'statement of faith.' Whatever coach Gordon hires must fit these parameters.

Anyone who is closer to the situation and has any additional information, please keep us informed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2009, 11:07:37 PM
I have heard, for what it's worth, that Eastern coach Matt Nadelhoffer is not interested in the Gordon job. Whether that ends up being the case, who knows.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on May 06, 2009, 07:33:29 AM
The issue is that there is now some amount of pressure in the position at Gordon. When Schauer took the job, he had free reign to do things his way, bring in whatever recruits he thought would fit his system, etc.

Now, however, there are expectations. This significantly limits the pool of potential applicants.

Another issue that is underrated in this situation is that Gordon still has not replaced Joe Hakes as AD. The job had been split between Schauer and women's basketball coach Jeanine Cavallero (sp?). Would a new head coach want to come to a situation where a lot of the administrative tasks of the job would be amplified?

Again, anyone who has any additional info, please let us know. The more we can piece together the puzzle, the more we might be able to get a look at the broader picture.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on May 07, 2009, 10:15:56 AM
Quote from: DukeFan on May 07, 2009, 07:11:43 AM
I would assume Nate Frank the head assistant from Wheaton is interested. Maybe even coach Harris, he is a Gordon grad.

It'd be interesting if Gordon and Wheaton traded coaches, etc.

But you certainly would know what's going on considering your position. Any idea on a timetable?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on May 13, 2009, 06:23:39 PM
Another off-season change within TCCC:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/05/quincy_christia.html

Not the ramifications as the other announcements so far, but it made onto Boston.com
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gogordon11 on May 31, 2009, 12:55:20 AM
I don't have anything I can link to to backup my info, but as a gordon student, it is my understanding that current gordon assistant coach phil whitley (http://www.gordon.edu/athletics/coaches.cfm?iSeasonID=204&iStaffID=94) will be/has been promoted to head coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on June 01, 2009, 08:38:38 AM
Quote from: gogordon11 on May 31, 2009, 12:55:20 AM
I don't have anything I can link to to backup my info, but as a gordon student, it is my understanding that current gordon assistant coach phil whitley (http://www.gordon.edu/athletics/coaches.cfm?iSeasonID=204&iStaffID=94) will be/has been promoted to head coach.

If this is indeed the case, I think most Gordon fans and anyone that has had some extended affinity for the program will be disappointed.

I have nothing against Whitley whatsoever, as I have never met him, etc. However, he has very little experience dealing with the collegiate landscape. Coach Schauer took Gordon from the doldrums to make the program extremely competitive over the past few years. Whitley could very well surprise us all and continue to take the Scots down the path of success... Still, when it comes to recruiting, it is very hard to step inside a home and solidify a commit with little experience to offer...

I don't know. As a Gordon alum, I am the first to say that I want Gordon to excel. If Whitley becomes the coach, I will support the decision. Still, if I made the decision, I'd keep Whitley as assistant coach to boost his experience some more, and get a more experienced coach to develop Gordon further.

I'd love to hear what players like Bajema, Trigg, Gaskill and the like have to say about all this.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on June 01, 2009, 10:27:16 AM
this can't be correct. i believe phil and keith krass have assumed coaching duties while the team plays in Argentina; however, I would shocked and extremely disappointed if Gordon didn't conduct an extensive search to find someone qualified to fill Coach Schauer's shoes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on June 01, 2009, 02:57:19 PM
The Jesus element will keep a lot of normal high profile New England D3 names from looking into it I would think.

Gordon has a very small pool they can select from
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordon HR Dept on June 02, 2009, 08:25:29 AM
By way of clarification, the Head Men's Basketball Coach opening at Gordon College has not been filled yet, but the process is nearing a conclusion.  There have been a significan number of excellent candidates and an announcement of the final selection should be made by June 15.  (HR Dept. at Gordon College)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2009, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: Goidon HR Dept on June 02, 2009, 08:25:29 AM
By way of clarification, the Head Men's Basketball Coach opening at Gordon College has not been filled yet, but the process is nearing a conclusion.  There have been a significan number of excellent candidates and an announcement of the final selection should be made by June 15.  (HR Dept. at Gordon College)
Thanks for the post, "Goidon".

Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on June 02, 2009, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2009, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: Goidon HR Dept on June 02, 2009, 08:25:29 AM
By way of clarification, the Head Men's Basketball Coach opening at Gordon College has not been filled yet, but the process is nearing a conclusion.  There have been a significan number of excellent candidates and an announcement of the final selection should be made by June 15.  (HR Dept. at Gordon College)
Thanks for the post, "Goidon".

Welcome aboard.

Despite the misspelled name, that is a verifiable post from a member of the HR team at Gordon.

We'll see what happens...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gogordon11 on June 02, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: yeah buddy on June 01, 2009, 10:27:16 AM
this can't be correct. i believe phil and keith krass have assumed coaching duties while the team plays in Argentina; however, I would shocked and extremely disappointed if Gordon didn't conduct an extensive search to find someone qualified to fill Coach Schauer's shoes.
phil's been on campus, while keith went with the team.
as a student, I hope they find a coach that continue to build on coach shauer's success. but also, I think familiarity and comfort for the returning players must be considered, so I would not be disappointed with an assistant getting promoted if that is a decision the currently players are happy with.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2009, 07:10:17 PM
Quote from: scout on June 02, 2009, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2009, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: Goidon HR Dept on June 02, 2009, 08:25:29 AM
By way of clarification, the Head Men's Basketball Coach opening at Gordon College has not been filled yet, but the process is nearing a conclusion.  There have been a significan number of excellent candidates and an announcement of the final selection should be made by June 15.  (HR Dept. at Gordon College)
Thanks for the post, "Goidon".

Welcome aboard.

Despite the misspelled name, that is a verifiable post from a member of the HR team at Gordon.

We'll see what happens...
I thought that the screen name was the phonetic pronunciation of the school by the locals...   :D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on June 11, 2009, 05:59:10 PM
What happened to Coach Yeh at ENC?  This is the 3rd TCCC job that's opened this year - pretty active year for the league.

http://www.hoopdirt.com/job/7b0656c7/eastern-nazarene-head-coach/

Also, any word about Gordon yet?  I thought they would have made the decision by now.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on June 12, 2009, 07:10:48 AM
Quote from: NJBalla35 on June 11, 2009, 05:59:10 PM
What happened to Coach Yeh at ENC?  This is the 3rd TCCC job that's opened this year - pretty active year for the league.

http://www.hoopdirt.com/job/7b0656c7/eastern-nazarene-head-coach/

Also, any word about Gordon yet?  I thought they would have made the decision by now.



Just look a few posts up and see the post from 'Gordon HR Dept.' I have verified that it is, indeed, a post from a member of HR at Gordon.

According to that information, a decision on Gordon's new head coach should be released within the week. I think we're all anxious to hear who this might be...

Regarding the cacophony of swinging doors in the land of coach-hood around TCCC, this is a pretty crazy year. EC, ENC, Gordon... A name change for ENC as well...

Game plans will change... Personnel will change... Recruiting will change... We'll all be a little green when it comes to understanding our teams and opponents, as will the tenured coaches here in TCCC... For now, it looks like the Nor'easters, despite their youth, will be the veteran team and the favorites to win the conference title...

But then again, Gordon returns its quite talented roster too... We just don't know who'll be at the helm...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: baboOLIN on June 13, 2009, 12:35:39 PM
Word on the ENC job:

My former coach at Babson, Mike Smiley has applied for it and he has to be a front runner. This guy is a basketball genius. He would be a great fit at ENC. I think he was associate head coach his last season at Babson and he would be perfect to turn around this struggling program.  He is a proven recruiter and I know he was in the mix for the Endicott job.

I know right now he is running a basketball development program and I think he was working with a few local high school stars/ all-american nominees.  When I talked to him, he said he missed the team aspect of coaching and wants to get back into the college game after a year off. I remember he taught the worst shooter on our team how to shoot and by the kid's senior year, he led the league in three shooting and was 1st team all NEWMAC. My last year, we played a defense that literally, no opponent could figure out.

I don't know who else is being considered for that job but ENC but they do not compare to Coach Smiley.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on June 15, 2009, 05:13:11 PM
Tod Murphy was announced today as the new head men's basketball coach at Gordon.  Murphy has been the lead assistant coach at the University of California at Irvine, his alma mater.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: T990 on June 15, 2009, 08:55:34 PM
The Anteaters !
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on June 16, 2009, 11:20:55 AM
Quote from: Word Life on June 15, 2009, 05:13:11 PM
Tod Murphy was announced today as the new head men's basketball coach at Gordon.  Murphy has been the lead assistant coach at the University of California at Irvine, his alma mater.

Since there has not been an official press release from Gordon College, could you share with us where you heard this? I'm not doubting you, as I know you're close to the Gordon community... I'm just asking so that the rest of us who don't have as close ties can read more about it!

If this is truly the case, this is a solid hiring. While he has no direct head coaching experience, he's played in a successful college career, played in the NBA and overseas, and has been an assistant coach for six plus years.

Solid hiring, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on June 16, 2009, 12:17:19 PM
An article I found detailing the hire for Gordon...

http://writingscots.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/tod-murphy-named-to-succeed-mike-schauer/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on June 16, 2009, 04:04:55 PM
Official announcement from Gordon:

http://www.gordon.edu/athletics/article.cfm?iArticleID=1350
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on June 17, 2009, 07:46:04 AM
Is it me, or has TCCC gotten significantly stronger in the coaching department over the last two years? UNE, EC, GC... All solid hires who bring a variety of tools, whether it be recruiting, developing talent, game management, etc.

I'm not saying we're going to turn into the NESCAC, but I'm just saying that I think there are some solid young coaches in the conference.

I'm excited for Endicott-Gordon already... An old rivalry infused with new enthusiasm.

I could write a book... But I won't.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on June 18, 2009, 10:14:26 PM
I agree somewhat scout...but Tod Murphy is no Mike Schauer.  Cool, he played in the NBA, but so did Isiah Thomas.  It is a good hire, I'm excited for him to continue what Schauer has begun to build, but I don't think it's a step up by any means for The CCC when they lose a coach like Mike Schauer.  The coaching department takes a hit for sure.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on June 18, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
Mike Schauer was/is a fantastic coach. I do not disagree with you and Gordon lost a significant presence for the men's basketball team. His recruiting ability, his rapport with the team... They will be sorely missed.

I am giving Tod Murphy the benefit of the doubt. He has yet to be a head coach at any level, but when one pieces together his various roles throughout his career, it calculates to a high ceiling. He was stellar as a collegiate athlete, so he knows the plight of the scholar athlete. He played in the NBA and, in my opinion, more importantly... he played overseas. The style of play, the greater focus upon team-play... Further developing basketball IQ and situational game-management. He has spent a total of eight years as an assistant coach. He understands the role of the coaching staff and the importance of player development.

All of this is to suggest that I believe Coach Murphy has extremely high potential.

Granted, he has yet to be a head coach... A totally different animal for sure... But if Coach Schauer had to leave and we had to find a replacement... This would be a top candidate for me any day.

The only thing a Gordon fan can be upset about is the fact that Schauer left. But once that event occurs and a search for a new head coach must be conducted... I approve of the decision to go with Coach Murphy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 18, 2009, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: scout on June 18, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
Granted, he has yet to be a head coach...

Or work without scholarships, speaking of a different animal.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on June 22, 2009, 06:40:01 PM
scout, I agree with your last post, I too like the hire of Coach Murphy.  There are areas I am nervous about, you mentioned he has yet to be a head coach for one, and also what Pat just mentioned, working without scholarships changes everything in the recruiting world.

All and all I do like the hire though.  I was glad to see Gordon veer away from Wheaton and not hire their assistant who served under Bill Harris.  If Gordon ever wants to get out from under Wheaton's shadow...what I am saying I suppose is I don't want to see Gordon College just take whoever they can get from Wheaton.

But scout,
Quote from: scout on June 17, 2009, 07:46:04 AM
Is it me, or has TCCC gotten significantly stronger in the coaching department over the last two years? UNE, EC, GC... All solid hires who bring a variety of tools, whether it be recruiting, developing talent, game management, etc.

I still disagree with that statement.  In the last 5 years two of the top coaches in The CCC have left (Plansky and Schauer).  So, has The CCC gotten stronger in the coaching department?  Absolutely not.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on July 03, 2009, 12:17:22 PM
Eastern Nazarene fills its vacant coaching position:

http://www.enc.edu/org/athletics/mensbasketballstats.html#aller (http://www.enc.edu/org/athletics/mensbasketballstats.html#aller)
Title: Recruiting classes?
Post by: number1chargerfan on July 09, 2009, 10:44:44 PM
Any news on other schools' recruiting classes? I know Colby-Sawyer has at least four new players: Wouter van der Eng, Cory Willis, Jason Cheverfilis, and Carlos Brown

Wouter is a 6'8 center coming off a PG year at Kimball Union who apparently had looks from d1 and d2 teams..I heard many rumblings about him towards the end of last semester but you can never believe what you hear at this place

Willis looks to be another small scrappy point guard like Matty Lemieux at 5'9 from St. Sebastians in mass

Not much on Cheverfilis a 6'4 forward from Manchester Memorial in NH

Carlos Brown came in second semester I met him and saw him play..he's a very fast guard who could light up the scoreboard

Also saw that Wentworth has a decent crop coming in all of this is from new england recruiting report

A whopping 5th year on campus and I smell a UNE-CSC rematch in the final!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 22, 2009, 10:47:26 PM

Sorry to be gone for the summer so far, guys.  I had to finish up grad school and am trying to get back to New England if we can find the right situation.


It would be nice to actually be able to see some games in person once in a while.

As always, things seem up in the air with the CCC, lots of changes all around.  And as always I'll reserve judgment until I see the rosters and early game results.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 09, 2009, 05:16:32 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on July 03, 2009, 12:17:22 PM
Eastern Nazarene fills its vacant coaching position:

http://www.enc.edu/org/athletics/mensbasketballstats.html#aller (http://www.enc.edu/org/athletics/mensbasketballstats.html#aller)

Ironically, given the fact that Gordon just lost its head coach to Wheaton -- as Mike Schauer was a Wheaton grad who had played for, and served as an assistant coach under, his predecessor Bill Harris (who, to add to the incestuousness of the situation, is a Gordon grad) -- Eastern Nazarene has just hired a head coach, Jim Aller, who played for Harris when the latter was the head coach of The King's College in downstate NY.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on October 18, 2009, 03:07:06 PM
Does anyone have any info on new players? or anything relating to the CCC?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2009, 01:46:21 PM

Nope.  I'm officially out of the loop now.  Hopefully I can get back to New England soon and get re-engaged.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2009, 02:20:21 PM

Gordon has their roster posted with three freshmen on it - David Dempsey, a 6'5" guard from CT; David Hammer, a 6'5" guard from CA; and Scott Nelson, a 6'0" guard from NJ.  They have a ton of sophomores on the roster, a number of names I'm not familiar with, but I don't know if that means much.

Regis has their returners listed, but no new players.

Salve also has their returners listed with no freshmen.  Jabreche Boyd is coming back to play as a graduate student; he must have had another year of eligibility.

UNE has their roster up.  Two freshmen - Sam Simpson, a 6'0" guard from ME and Nevin Lessard, a 6'6" forward, also from ME.  They've also got a transfer guard, already named a captain.  5'10" Kadare Brown from Baton Rouge, LA via Laramie County, WY CC (same school as Jakyri Simpson), although it doesn't appear Brown played anywhere last year.

No one else has new info yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: T990 on October 21, 2009, 10:44:55 PM
UNE: what, no Texans in the class of 2013 ?   ;)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 23, 2009, 02:34:43 PM
Salve has a preliminary roster up. No freshmen listed yet though....

Gordon's roster is up among the new sophomores is who I presume is Jerry Logan's brother. Also all the names back that were expected.

Wentworth's roster is up. Looks like they added some size with a 6'11 and a 6'6 transfer. Also a Franklin Pierce transfer in the backcourt.

UNE looks to have retained most of it's far away guys that had eligibility left.

Nothing yet from Curry or CSC or RWU who should all be contenders this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on October 24, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
Chargers should have two freshmen in the starting five and they have 2 or 3 others who look to make significant impact.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 06, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
2009-10 TCCC PRESEASON MEN'S BASKETBALL POLL

Gordon 172 (5)
Colby-Sawyer 169 (5)
University of New England 166 (2)
Wentworth 144 (1)
Roger Williams 130
Endicott 123
Nichols 123
Curry 118 (1)
Salve Regina 91
Western New England 82
Regis 62
Anna Maria 35
Eastern Nazarene 35
New England College 20

http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/News/mbball/2009/11/6/mbbpoll09-10.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 09, 2009, 11:07:21 AM
I return for my picks yet again!

Doing my best here with the information provided.

14 Bottom of The Barrell

14.  NEC - Hennesey is back from last year and they played a few encouraging games down the stretch, but still not close to contending.

13. ENC- D'angelo Alson and not much else. Losing Diandre Brown hurts a lot.

12.  WNEC- Take the 2 best players off a not very good team...

11. Salve- See above....

On The Fringe

10. Anna Maria- They return Derek Johnson and supposedly have a touted recruiting class.

9. Roger Williams- I do not understand the high pre season ranking for this team. Flanagan and O'Dell are good players but they will depend a lot on Freshmen.

In It

8. Nichols - Bring everybody important back from a playoff team last year.

7. Regis- In the playoffs? Believe it. Derek Neal and a cast of new recruits lead them to the tournament

6. Wentworth- Lost Todd Doyle but added a 6'11 transfer. Be interesting to see.

5. Endicott- New coach, new style of play. Whitelaw and Karkow will get them to 5th

On the verge

4. Colby-Sawyer- Bringing back Chaloux and Rosso and reloading with a big time recruiting class. CSC stays in the top echelon of the league.

3. Curry- The Colonials don't stay down for long, their roster is up and it is impressive.

Fighting It Out

2. UNE- Jefferson and Simpson graduate but style of play does not. Will still be athletic and difficult to handle.

1. Gordon- Everybody back. Could finally be the Scots year.

Player Of The Year Odds

Aaron Trigg Gordon 2-1
Brady Bajema Gordon 5-1
Quinten Thompson UNE 10-1
Marcale Robinson UNE 10-1
Mark Mastrullo Curry 4-1
Dan Singh Curry 8-1
Jon Chaloux CSC 7-2
Dave Rosso CSC 15-1
Graham Whitelaw Endicott 15-1
Aaron Karkow Endicot 10-1
Matt Abbott Wentworth 15-1
Sam Herrick Wentworth 20-1
Derek Neal Regis 5-2
Pete Adkins Nichols 10-1
Pat Flanagan RWU 15-1
Derek Johnson AMC 25-1
D'Angelo Alston ENC 30-1
Shane Hennesey NEC 25-1

All others 30-1

-----

Rookie Of The Year: Wouter Van Eng Colby-Sawyer
Coach Of The Year: Nate Hagar Regis
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2009, 10:47:50 PM

Just got plane tickets today.  I will be back in New England for a week over the Thanksgiving holiday.  I am going to try and get to at least one game.

Ideally I'd like to get up to Gordon for the ENC game on Dec 1st, but there are a good number of d3 games in Eastern Mass over the holiday for a change, so there are a number of possibilities.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: T990 on November 09, 2009, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 09, 2009, 11:07:21 AM
Player Of The Year Odds

Aaron Trigg Gordon 2-1
Brady Bajema Gordon 5-1
Quinten Thompson UNE 10-1
Marcale Robinson UNE 10-1
Mark Mastrullo Curry 4-1


Hey, thats Mark Mastrullo from Billerica, Mass.

I was looking at Curry's roster, and I see that Danya Abrams is an assistant coach (!).

Curry Roster (pdf) (http://www.curry.edu/NR/rdonlyres/3187A92D-EDC7-4969-BCF1-9624E4384BA3/8127/20092010MBBRoster.pdf)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 11, 2009, 08:12:33 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 09, 2009, 10:47:50 PM

Just got plane tickets today.  I will be back in New England for a week over the Thanksgiving holiday.  I am going to try and get to at least one game.

Ideally I'd like to get up to Gordon for the ENC game on Dec 1st, but there are a good number of d3 games in Eastern Mass over the holiday for a change, so there are a number of possibilities.

So jealous. I'm excited for the seasons to start and the conference battle to begin. Fortunately, it appears that more schools will be streaming video and almost all schools will at least have streaming audio. So, for those of us who are 1500 miles away from the action, we'll have no excuse for being misinformed.

I'm going to hold off on my predictions for a bit. We're just under a week away from most of the conference kicking off, but there are some interesting story lines intertwined.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 11, 2009, 08:15:31 AM
Also... Not sure who would be interested, but I think it'd be fun to do a local conference version of the Pick'em league that a bunch of people do nationally.

We could have five or six games a week involving TCCC teams and we'd just do a straight up Pick'em. We could keep track as the season progresses and the like...

Yes, this is blatant forgery... But it seems fun, so yeah...

If you're interested, let us all know...

We'll either have a burgeoning stable of participants... Or it'll be just me... I'm not sure which is more likely
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: All-around on November 11, 2009, 11:56:20 AM
Curry has brought in Jarrell Jackson this year who is coming from a JUCO out west and who had previously signed with Divison 1 Dusquene. They also have Phillippe Jourdain who transferred from a D2 out west somewhere.

Wentworth also has 3 scholarship transfers in Jack Barrett (Franklin Pierce), Sam Herrick (UNH) and Matt Abbott (UNH).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 12, 2009, 02:39:10 PM
I'll do pick'em if you're willing to put in the leg work.  I'd say we should just do conference games - that might make things a little easier.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 12, 2009, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 12, 2009, 02:39:10 PM
I'll do pick'em if you're willing to put in the leg work.  I'd say we should just do conference games - that might make things a little easier.

I'm currently laid up with attempting to recover from microfracture surgery on my right knee. Once I finish a project for work in the next two days, I'll be spending some time familiarizing myself with the schedules of TCCC teams.

Conference games don't start in force for a bit. And I'd be interested to see who people pick in some touch matchups like UNE v WPI and Gordon v MIT. That's my take, but I'm willing to listen to outside opinion.

As I said, I'll start building an excel file of schedules this weekend. Once we get more people involved, we can discuss terms in greater depth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 15, 2009, 08:01:02 AM
Today's CCC lines:

NEC
Plymouth State -12

Roger Williams -5
Johnson and Wales

Colby-Sawyer Pick
Keene State   Pick

Endicott
Vassar -4

Wentworth
Thomas -3

Curry -2.5
Westfield

UNE -6
St Joes

Nichols -5
Worcester State
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2009, 06:19:02 PM

The CCC has taken off on this first day of real games.  The results haven't been great so far, but most teams appear to be competitive.

NEC lost to Plymouth by 20 - no real surprise there.

RWU got a good win on the road at J&W 61-58.

CSC loses by three to Keene 82-85.

WIT drops one to Thomas 73-78; that's probably not a good result for them.

UNE blew a halftime lead, allowing St. Joe's to score 45 in the second half and win 71-63.  The threes seemed to be falling alright for UNE, but they had very few steals and missed most of their FTs.  Oruonyehu led the team with 14 points and 5 steals.  Brown and Thompson were both awful, but UNE did get some good bench production from JD and Marcus Winn (9 and 8 points in limited minutes).  I'm guessing this squad doesn't have the defense down yet.  I expect they'll improve over time. 

Curry loses to Westfield 75-66.

Nichols is playing Worcester State right now in the Worcester county tournament (where Becker came very close to knocking out WPI in the first game).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 15, 2009, 10:53:43 PM
Alright, I put together a spreadsheet that compiles all of the schedules in TCCC into one medium.

It's useful for a number of things... Namely keeping track of games and comparing schedules.

I've blocked out one-week periods to denote the time period our pick'em experiment will cover for each round.

You can find the spreadsheet at the following link:

http://theacereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tccc-mens-basketball-2009.xls (http://theacereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tccc-mens-basketball-2009.xls)

Let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 15, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
The Commonwealth Coast Conference Pick'em - Week 1 - 11/15 through 11/21

Okay, so the way that this will work is as follows. Each week, I will choose five games for us all to pick. There is no spread to weigh in, but rather a straight-up choice for the winner of each game. Each correct pick will earn you a point. Each incorrect choice will earn you zero points. I will keep a running tally of the scores after each week and the winner gets bragging rights.

Each week, after this one, I will post the games on Wednesday. Please get your picks in by the following Sunday. You may enter this contest at any week of your choosing, but remember that those who started before you will have an advantage.

So, without further ado, here are the week's games. Get your picks in by the start of Wednesday's games and we'll be off and running.

Wednesday 11/18

Curry @ Babson
Husson @ Gordon

Friday 11/20

UNE @ UMass-Dartmouth (UMass-Dartmouth Tourney Round 1)
Endicott vs. Ithica College (Amherst Tip-Off Tourney Round 1)

Saturday 11/21

UMass-Boston @ ENC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2009, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: scout on November 15, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
Wednesday 11/18

Curry @ Babson
Husson @ Gordon

Friday 11/20

UNE @ UMass-Dartmouth (UMass-Dartmouth Tourney Round 1)
Endicott vs. Ithica College (Amherst Tip-Off Tourney Round 1)

Saturday 11/21

UMass-Boston @ ENC

I will take the non-CCC teams in every game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2009, 12:01:59 AM

Score update:

Nichols goes down to Worcester State 76-87.  Brian Riley had 21, mostly from the free throw line.

Also, Endicott lost to Vassar 78-66. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 16, 2009, 12:04:14 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 15, 2009, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: scout on November 15, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
Wednesday 11/18

Curry @ Babson
Husson @ Gordon

Friday 11/20

UNE @ UMass-Dartmouth (UMass-Dartmouth Tourney Round 1)
Endicott vs. Ithica College (Amherst Tip-Off Tourney Round 1)

Saturday 11/21

UMass-Boston @ ENC

I will take the non-CCC teams in every game.

Haha. Lovely.

Well, we've got our first participant.

My picks:

Wednesday 11/18

Curry @ Babson
Husson @ Gordon

Friday 11/20

UNE @ UMass-Dartmouth (UMass-Dartmouth Tourney Round 1)
Endicott vs. Ithica College (Amherst Tip-Off Tourney Round 1)

Saturday 11/21

UMass-Boston @ ENC

And that was predictable, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on November 16, 2009, 09:07:14 PM

[/quote]

Haha. Lovely.

Well, we've got our first participant.

My picks:

Wednesday 11/18

Curry @ Babson
Husson @ Gordon

Friday 11/20

UNE @ UMass-Dartmouth (UMass-Dartmouth Tourney Round 1)
Endicott vs. Ithica College (Amherst Tip-Off Tourney Round 1)

Saturday 11/21

UMass-Boston @ ENC

And that was predictable, wasn't it?
[/quote]

yes, it is predictable but you are entitled to some advantage for starting the "pick'em" & at least you took one ccc.

I'll go with Babson, Gordon, UNE (working the overconfident angle on the ranked home team), ithica and UMass-Boston
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 16, 2009, 10:57:43 PM
Quote from: witfan on November 16, 2009, 09:07:14 PM

Quote

Haha. Lovely.

Well, we've got our first participant.

My picks:

Wednesday 11/18

Curry @ Babson
Husson @ Gordon

Friday 11/20

UNE @ UMass-Dartmouth (UMass-Dartmouth Tourney Round 1)
Endicott vs. Ithica College (Amherst Tip-Off Tourney Round 1)

Saturday 11/21

UMass-Boston @ ENC

And that was predictable, wasn't it?

yes, it is predictable but you are entitled to some advantage for starting the "pick'em" & at least you took one ccc.

I'll go with Babson, Gordon, UNE (working the overconfident angle on the ranked home team), ithica and UMass-Boston

Yay! Another participant. That makes three, and I have another spreadsheet I'll be using to keep track of the results.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 17, 2009, 09:09:49 AM
Babson, Gordon, UMass Dartmouth, Ithaca, UMass B
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 17, 2009, 09:48:09 AM
Curry, Gordon, UMD, Ithaca, UMB
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 17, 2009, 10:45:54 AM
Results in TCCC from last night...

Nichols 76 - Becker 73
Anna Maria 62 - Newbury 66
Albertus Magnus 73 - Salve Regina    72
Lesley 63 - Regis 78

In the first two days of play, TCCC teams are a combined 4-8. Not exactly top-notch competition, either. We'll see how teams begin to grow and gel in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 17, 2009, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 15, 2009, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: scout on November 15, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
Wednesday 11/18

Curry @ Babson
Husson @ Gordon

Friday 11/20

UNE @ UMass-Dartmouth (UMass-Dartmouth Tourney Round 1)
Endicott vs. Ithica College (Amherst Tip-Off Tourney Round 1)

Saturday 11/21

UMass-Boston @ ENC

I will take the non-CCC teams in every game.

I'll go this route as well
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2009, 11:34:22 AM

I'm impressed by that Regis box score.  Granted Lesley isn't the toughest opponent in the world, but Regis won comfortably with none of their starters playing even 30 minutes in this game.  James Cooper played very well at the point (7 asists, 1 TO) and they got 12 and 9 from freshman Ezeigwe off the bench in just 19 minutes.

Salve losing to Albertus Magnus is kind of surprising, although word is that Magnus is much better this year.  We'll see how that plays out.

AMC hung tough with Newbury despite poor long distance shooting and a low contribution from Pinsoneault.

Nichols took out Becker and played much more like themselves.  Paquin led the team, but they showed they can go eight deep, which is usually enough to make the conference tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2009, 12:10:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 17, 2009, 11:34:22 AM

I'm impressed by that Regis box score.  Granted Lesley isn't the toughest opponent in the world, but Regis won comfortably with none of their starters playing even 30 minutes in this game.  James Cooper played very well at the point (7 asists, 1 TO) and they got 12 and 9 from freshman Ezeigwe off the bench in just 19 minutes.

Salve losing to Albertus Magnus is kind of surprising, although word is that Magnus is much better this year.  We'll see how that plays out.

AMC hung tough with Newbury despite poor long distance shooting and a low contribution from Pinsoneault.

Nichols took out Becker and played much more like themselves.  Paquin led the team, but they showed they can go eight deep, which is usually enough to make the conference tournament.

I wouldnt be that surprised about Albertus Magnus.  They have a couple of really good young players. 6'6" Raymond Askew is a real solid player (he had 21 and 16 in that game).  Also, Magnus has a 6'8" freshman, Jefferson Lora, who had committed D1 but de-committed and ended up there.  They have some talent.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 17, 2009, 09:18:48 PM
One of the Gordon Fighting Scots, Aaron Trigg, has joined our merry band of Insiders, blogging about his experience throughout the Division III basketball season.  His first entry is posted here (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/11/17/meet-the-insider-aaron-trigg/).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 18, 2009, 08:32:02 AM
Results from last night (a few of them were mentioned on D3Hoops.com front page):

Bridgewater State 86 - WNEC 83
Suffolk 71 - ENC 58
NEC 86 - Castleton 85 OT
Southern Maine 70 - UNE 82

HoopsFan will probably take a look at the box scores if he gets the chance.

This brings TCCC non-conference record to 6-10.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 18, 2009, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2009, 09:18:48 PM
One of the Gordon Fighting Scots, Aaron Trigg, has joined our merry band of Insiders, blogging about his experience throughout the Division III basketball season.  His first entry is posted here (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/11/17/meet-the-insider-aaron-trigg/).

Aaron is quite a clever guy. Wicked smart too. Good choice...

And I'm hoping there's a connection between Insiders and deep NCAA tourney runs too. But I'm not going to put the cart before the horse...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on November 18, 2009, 10:26:26 AM
I'll go with Babson, Gordon, UMass Dartmouth, Ithaca, UMass B
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 18, 2009, 02:51:37 PM
Quote from: scout on November 18, 2009, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2009, 09:18:48 PM
One of the Gordon Fighting Scots, Aaron Trigg, has joined our merry band of Insiders, blogging about his experience throughout the Division III basketball season.  His first entry is posted here (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/11/17/meet-the-insider-aaron-trigg/).

Aaron is quite a clever guy. Wicked smart too. Good choice...

And I'm hoping there's a connection between Insiders and deep NCAA tourney runs too. But I'm not going to put the cart before the horse...

Might want to focus on winning the first conference tournament in Gordon history before worrying about the NCAA tourney.  I don't forsee the CCC receiving a bid otherwise
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 18, 2009, 03:13:20 PM
Quote from: backboard on November 18, 2009, 02:51:37 PM
Quote from: scout on November 18, 2009, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2009, 09:18:48 PM
One of the Gordon Fighting Scots, Aaron Trigg, has joined our merry band of Insiders, blogging about his experience throughout the Division III basketball season.  His first entry is posted here (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/11/17/meet-the-insider-aaron-trigg/).

Aaron is quite a clever guy. Wicked smart too. Good choice...

And I'm hoping there's a connection between Insiders and deep NCAA tourney runs too. But I'm not going to put the cart before the horse...

Might want to focus on winning the first conference tournament in Gordon history before worrying about the NCAA tourney.  I don't forsee the CCC receiving a bid otherwise

Absolutely. Hence me saying 'I'm not going to put the cart before the horse.' But knowing Aaron, his focus is doing everything possible to reach that goal.

Colby-Sawyer and Roger Williams, along with Gordon, seem to have the best shots at the league. And between those three, I don't have a clue...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 18, 2009, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: scout on November 18, 2009, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2009, 09:18:48 PM
One of the Gordon Fighting Scots, Aaron Trigg, has joined our merry band of Insiders, blogging about his experience throughout the Division III basketball season.  His first entry is posted here (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/11/17/meet-the-insider-aaron-trigg/).

Aaron is quite a clever guy. Wicked smart too. Good choice...

And I'm hoping there's a connection between Insiders and deep NCAA tourney runs too. But I'm not going to put the cart before the horse...

The year Bartolotta was an insider, he got hurt with 10 games left in the season (but played hurt) and MIT lost their last 10 games of the season.  Last year he was not an insider and MIT made it to the tourney.  Coincidence?  I think not, the Insider curse has fell upon Gordon!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2009, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: scout on November 18, 2009, 08:32:02 AM
Bridgewater State 86 - WNEC 83
Suffolk 71 - ENC 58
NEC 86 - Castleton 85 OT
Southern Maine 70 - UNE 82

This brings TCCC non-conference record to 6-10.


Bridgewater is currently #11 in the country, not that the pre-season rankings mean a whole lot, but still a close game with them is good for a WNEC team we all thought would be down this year.  Soph Andre Shaw chipped in 16 off the bench.  Sr PG Rick Johnson had 26, with 10-13 FT shooting.  Bridgewater doesn't have much of a bench and WNEC had 24 turnovers; I don't think BSC is going to remain ranked for very long.

ENC gave up a halftime lead to Suffolk and got beat by a double double from a Qunicy native.  ENC is looking short this season, but they did get 23 points from freshman guard Max Barbosa.

NEC picks up a win over Castleton in OT.  They had four guys in double figures with 22 and 10 from junior forward Joe Faragher.  Best part of the game: 5'8" junior Andrew McDonald enters the game for the first time with five seconds left in OT and banks home the winning three.

UNE over Southern Maine is a good win, even if USM is down this year.  It appears UNE put the whole package together, going on a run in the second half and hitting free throws to close it out.  Four guys in double figures.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2009, 07:50:49 PM

Tonight's Action:

Gordon host Husson
Curry at Babson
Wentworth hosts Wheelock
Endicott hosts Framingham
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2009, 08:04:17 PM

Update:

After being down 9 at the half, Endicott comes back to upset (I think that's an appropriate word) Framingham State 81-78.  EC got solid minutes from 9 guys and scoring all around.  Montrod had 7 and 7 with 6 assists.  From the box score it seems like they gave up a lot down low, but shot 44% from deep and held Framingham to 22%.  That's a good early season win for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2009, 08:48:52 PM

Mastrullo puts up a good fight, but Curry goes down to Babson 76-58.  AJ Stephens went for 19 and 13 in support.  Curry will clearly rely on Mastrullo and virtually no bench this year.  He shot 8-25 and 2-13 from three for 20 points.  It's like the Kobe Lakers between the time Shaq left and Phil Jackson came back.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2009, 08:50:37 PM

Wentworth loses to Wheelock 79-63 at home.  Wentworth appears to be just plain bad.  Wheelock's not the cream of the crop, but their five starters single-handedly put this game away.  Shane West led WIT with 16 points; Matt Abbott had 12 boards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2009, 08:52:33 PM
Gordon beat Husson 61-59.  They have live video, but no stats.  I'm sure Scout will be happy to fill us in later.

All in all, a good night for the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 18, 2009, 08:53:24 PM
HoopsFan beat me to the Curry-Babson line.

Gordon wins a close fight against Husson. The Scots got down early but led at the half 30-29. Gordon led the entire second half up to the last four and a half minutes. I dont think the lead topped five or six points in the second frame.

A huge three by Aaron Trigg with a minute left put the Scots up by one. They held on and Husson was denied a last second heave five feet behind the arc to win it.

61-59.

I'll post stats when they get uploaded.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 18, 2009, 08:59:37 PM
A few TCCC schools have live video, so I plan on watching some games this year. UNE was a blast to watch last season and some others have added it as well.

Immediate impressions from the Gordon game:

- Husson is, and always has been, impeccably coached. They hustle. They execute screens and cuts well. Just a pesky defensive team that runs their offense well.
- The first real game for both teams. Lots of fouls and lots of turnovers. Not necessarily bad decisions, but rather that I think the defenses are ahead of the offenses right now.
- Gordon can rebound and defend the post when in position. Coach Murphy has big man experience and even in one game, I can tell that it is rubbing off.
- Trigg and Bajema looked as if they had a silent game. That is, of course, until Trigg nailed that clutch three from the corner. The stats will say otherwise, I'm sure. While the offense looks like it's still running through the guards, the post men got a lot of work.
- Gordon can deal with pressure. They should be able to do so with the veteran lineup, but it never hurts to see tangible evidence.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on November 18, 2009, 09:22:14 PM
Gordon vs Husson

It was an ugly game for most of the night.  Gordon went down by 10+ early and it looked like they were struggling to run the new system.  Then there was a stretch of about 6 minutes about half way through the first half that the GC defense was lock down.  If the offense was able to hit some open shots and easy put backs they would have been up by 10 at the end of the half.  I can not wait to see GC when they truly have a complete handle on Coach Murphy's system.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 18, 2009, 11:04:12 PM
This won't get as in-depth as the recaps from later this winter will, but here's the lowdown on the Gordon-Husson matchup.

Aaron Trigg led all scorers with 17 points on 5-13 shooting. He was 3-6 from behind the arc and 4-5 from the line.

Greg Walker has 12 points and freshman David Dempsey had 8 for Gordon.

Overall, Gordon shot a paltry 33% from the floor, hitting 39% from downtown. Their saving grace was the commanding differential on the boards. They had a 19 rebound advantage, pulling down 20 offensive boards.

Seniors Matt MacKenzie and Brock Bradford led Husson with 17 and 12 points each respectively.

Husson shot 40%, 27% from 3 and hit only half of their free throws.



I'm still trying to work out the systematic differences between previous Coach Schauer's and Coach Murphy's offenses. Both seem to be a lot of motion, but Murphy's seems to rely a little more on post play and crashing the boards. This, of course, can lead to fast break layups (which there were quite a few for Husson tonight) if you don't come down with the board or score.

Overall, it was a solid win for a number of reasons. First, Coach Murphy got the jitters out. First time head coach, with some expectations not only of the squad but on him because of his pedigree. Second, Husson is the favorite to win the NAC this year and returned a majority of its team from last year. Thirdly, it's important to show that a team can win close games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 18, 2009, 11:13:57 PM
The Commonwealth Coast Conference Pick'em - Week 2 - 11/22 through 11/28

Week One is just under way, but considering we started late... It's time to pick for next week's slate. Have your picks in by Sunday.

Sunday 11/22

Suffolk @ NEC

Tuesday 11/24

Keene State @ WNEC
UNE @ Bowdoin
Gordon @ Salem State

Saturday 11/28

Roger Williams @ Rhode Island College


I will be attempting to get a variety of teams in. There are just some compelling games early on that involve UNE, Gordon and the like.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 19, 2009, 11:10:14 AM
suffolk, keene, bowdoin, gordon, ric
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 19, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
Keene State, Bowdoin, Salem State, RIC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 19, 2009, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: backboard on November 19, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
Keene State, Bowdoin, Salem State, RIC

You're missing one. I'm assuming you'll choose Suffolk over NEC?

My picks:

Sunday 11/22

Suffolk @ NEC

Tuesday 11/24


Keene State
@ WNEC
UNE @ Bowdoin
Gordon @ Salem State

Saturday 11/28

Roger Williams @ Rhode Island College
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2009, 03:24:47 PM

Suffolk @ NEC

Keene State @ WNEC
UNE @ Bowdoin
Gordon @ Salem State

Roger Williams @ Rhode Island College
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2009, 03:25:57 PM

Tonight:

ENC @ Mt Ida
NC hosts Worcester State
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 19, 2009, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: scout on November 19, 2009, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: backboard on November 19, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
Keene State, Bowdoin, Salem State, RIC

You're missing one. I'm assuming you'll choose Suffolk over NEC?

My picks:

Sunday 11/22

Suffolk @ NEC

Tuesday 11/24


Keene State
@ WNEC
UNE @ Bowdoin
Gordon @ Salem State

Saturday 11/28

Roger Williams @ Rhode Island College


Yes, thanks
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on November 19, 2009, 07:42:32 PM
Suffolk, WNEC, Bowdoin, Gordon, RIC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hooktonhoops14 on November 20, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
...Getting in a week late.  Gordon's first game was sloppy, but it's good to see that they can win a close game, not to mention a game where they get out-shot and turn the ball over so much.


I'll take:

Suffolk, Keene State, Bowdoin, Gordon (only because I don't want to accept that I might never see them beat Salem State), and RIC



Gordon Tip-Off Tourney starts tonight.  Shouldn't have too much trouble against Maine-Maritime, but win or lose they're looking at a tough saturday game against either Westfield State or Baruch...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 20, 2009, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: hooktonhoops14 on November 20, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
I'll take:

Suffolk, Keene State, Bowdoin, Gordon (only because I don't want to accept that I might never see them beat Salem State), and RIC

I completely understand your reasoning. In my four years at Gordon, I never had a chance to see Gordon play Salem State. Something big always came up, and that's saying something considering I'm the one who saw every other men's basketball game my senior year (except for their traveling tournament).

I'm trying the reverse psychology route. Maybe if I believe hard enough that Salem State is undoubtedly going to win, Gordon can pull it off...

In all seriousness, though. If Gordon cannot somehow find a way to win at Salem State next week, it will be a few years before they have another solid shot at it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 20, 2009, 01:12:14 PM
Results from last night:

ENC 71 - Mt. Ida 82

Stats were pretty close in this one. Mt. Ida guard Keith Jones went 10-10 from the line and led all scorers with 20 points. Michael McCoy and Jonathan Georges led ENC with 18 and 17 points each respectively. Keith Branch came off the bench to contribute 15. Outside of a few players, ENC lacks any depth to pose much of a threat. Their big men will have their work cut out for them this season.

Nichols 84 - Worcester State 59

In a rematch of just a week prior, Nichols put a thumping on the Lancers. Nichols lost by 11 the first go around and clearly made some adjustments this time. Worcester State shot just 28% on the night and hit only 68% from the charity stripe. Maurice Horton of Worcester State led all scorers with 18 points. But Nichols posted four players that hit double-digits in scoring. They hit 46% from the floor and nearly76% from the line.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: scout on November 20, 2009, 01:12:14 PM
Their big men will have their work cut out for them this season.

What big men?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2009, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: hooktonhoops14 on November 20, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
Gordon Tip-Off Tourney starts tonight.  Shouldn't have too much trouble against Maine-Maritime, but win or lose they're looking at a tough saturday game against either Westfield State or Baruch...

It'll be Baruch.  They've put together a very solid mid-level program over the past couple of years.  They lost only three players from a Tourney team last year and they opened with a win at Richard Stockton.  There's a good chance Baruch could be the best team on Gordon's schedule all year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2009, 05:33:14 PM

Tonight:

UNE @ UMASS-D
WNEC hosts Mt St Mary
RWU hosts Lesley
SRU vs Plymouth State at Wheaton
AMC @ Rivier
NEC hosts UM-Presque Isle
GC hosts Maine Maritime
CSC vs Daniel Webster at Rivier
RC vs Rowan at Widener
EC vs Ithaca at Amherst
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: cccc-fanatic on November 20, 2009, 10:02:26 PM
UNE beats #8 Umass tonight by 2 points ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2009, 10:30:01 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 20, 2009, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: hooktonhoops14 on November 20, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
Gordon Tip-Off Tourney starts tonight.  Shouldn't have too much trouble against Maine-Maritime, but win or lose they're looking at a tough saturday game against either Westfield State or Baruch...

It'll be Baruch.  They've put together a very solid mid-level program over the past couple of years.  They lost only three players from a Tourney team last year and they opened with a win at Richard Stockton.  There's a good chance Baruch could be the best team on Gordon's schedule all year.

Or I could be totally wrong.  Westfield 81 Baruch 77.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2009, 10:53:43 PM

Gordon picked up a big win 91-59.  11 guys got 10 minutes or more.  This team might be a little better than I thought.  Trigg had 12 points and 7 assists in 21 minutes - he missed only one shot.

UNE posts a big upset 86-84 over #8 UMASS-D.  Dartmouth was overrated, but this is till a surprise.  Maybe the whole CCC is better than we thought (or maybe the whole region is as down as it seemed)?

WNEC went down to Mt St Mary 74-70.  12 and 14 for Thomka; five players scored in double figures.  It looks like they played tough and just came up short.

AMC lost a close one to Rivier 65-60.  Ryan Joyal had 14 points in 26 minutes to lead the team.  Rivier's numbers weren't much better, but they got a lot of threes off, which appears to be the difference.

Salve loses to Plymouth 96-86. 

NEC squeaks by Presque Isle 88-84.  NEC with timely scores and recaps this year; that's a miracle I never expected to witness.  NEC had a 27 point lead early in the second half, but had to hit late FTs to win it.  Faragher had 14 points to lead NEC.

RWU beat Lesley 76-72.

CSC topped Daniel Webster 71-68.  Lots of close wins for the CCC this evening.  Good showing.

Regis hung tough with Rowan, losing 66-60.

EC plays respectably at the Amherst tournament, losing to Ithaca 69-78.  Montrond got shut down and fouled out with only 25 minutes played.  They got 21 and 9 off the bench from freshman Danquah Rawlins.  None of the starters played more than 25 minutes and it seems much of the production came from the bench.  Possibly good signs for the future at EC.  They shot very well and defended the perimeter as they have always done well, but too many missed FTs may have been too much.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hooktonhoops14 on November 21, 2009, 03:15:30 PM
It's tough to make heads or tails of this Westfield State - Gordon match-up.  Westfield obviously beat a tough Baruch team, but watching the game it was hard to decide whether or not that ought to scare Gordon.  Both teams were super-athletic and played a physical, fast-paced game (which is characteristic of good mid-level programs), but given the style of play it is hard to picture what they will look like on the floor against Gordon.

Either way, I'm anticipating a much more intense game than we saw for Gordon last night...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2009, 05:06:29 PM

So far today:

WNEC goes down to finish fourth in their own tournament, losing to Framingham 96-82. 31 points for Rick Johnson, 16 for Thomka (12 on FTs) with 5 blocks.  I think this will still be a strong team in conference play.  At this point they seem to have too many turnovers to win games, but that can be fixed and they seem to have some good talent.

Endicott beat Maine-Farmington in double overtime at Amherst 98-95 to take third place in that tournament.  Erick Callo went 24 and 15 with 6 blocks for EC.  They continued their good perimeter defense and are getting lots of assists.  I do think EC has something to work with this year.  Rawlins got the start over Montrond after his performance last night, but Montrond had the better stats with 13 pts and 6 assists.

CSC beat Rivier 73-54 to win the Rivier tournament.  Chaloux had 26 points to lead the team. The bench guys got a lot of time and Zach McBey had 11 rebounds in 18 minutes.  CSC took a lot of FTs, but they missed a lot as well - they did seem to keep Rivier's shooting percentages pretty low.

Regis took out St. Joe's of Brooklyn to finish third in the Widener tournament, 83-50.  St. Joe's is a provisional DIII member, so I'm not sure what to make of this win.

AMC lost a tight one to Daniel Webster 72-71 to finish fourth at the Rivier tournament.  Pinsenault finally showed up with 13 and 11; Joyal had 17 points to lead the team.  AMC had only 12 total fouls in this game - they may need to be more aggressive.

Salve played Lyndon State at the Wheaton tournament.  That game should be over, but I can't find a score yet.

ENC hosted UMASS-Boston, which should also be over, but I'm not sure ENC has figured out their new website yet and how to import box scores.  Supposedly they'll have Livestats this year, but its not working right now.

RWU should be playing Trinity right now.  Their livestats aren't working either.

UNE and Wheelock are duking it out for the UMASS-D tournament title.

WIT plays Berkeley tonight.

Gordon hosts Westfield State.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on November 21, 2009, 06:01:58 PM
suffolk, Keene, Bowdoin, GC, & RIC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on November 21, 2009, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2009, 05:06:29 PM
UNE and Wheelock are duking it out for the UMASS-D tournament title.
Wheelock won, 68-63.

Quote from: Hoops FanWentworth loses to Wheelock 79-63 at home.  Wentworth appears to be just plain bad.  Wheelock's not the cream of the crop...
I think Wheelock is a tad better than you may have given them credit for.  Beat Springfield Friday night and beat UNE (coming off an upset of a Top 25 team) today.  Having seen Wednesday's game, Wheelock isn't a great team and they don't play in a great conference, but they are actually pretty good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on November 21, 2009, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: Hoops FanWentworth loses to Wheelock 79-63 at home.  Wentworth appears to be just plain bad.  Wheelock's not the cream of the crop...
I think Wheelock is a tad better than you may have given them credit for.  Beat Springfield Friday night and beat UNE (coming off an upset of a Top 25 team) today.  Having seen Wednesday's game, Wheelock isn't a great team and they don't play in a great conference, but they are actually pretty good.

No, definitely you're right.  I meant to throw that admission into my round-up from last night.  The Wentworth loss looks a lot better than it did to me earlier.  Wheelock has been playing very well so far.  I just didn't expect it from them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on November 21, 2009, 06:56:04 PM
Don't get me wrong Wentworth didn't play particularly well Wednesday night to start with, but Wheelock impressed me and while time will tell, they appear to be a pretty decent team right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2009, 06:56:43 PM
Roger Williams took out Trinity, the first of three NESCAC teams on their schedule this year, 69-61.  

Salve lost to Lyndon State 85-67; that doesn't seem like a positive result for them.  Boyd went for 20 and 7 to lead SRU.

ENC lost to UMASS-Boston 86-72.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on November 21, 2009, 07:41:19 PM
Wentworth 83, Berkeley (NJ) 65

Adam Dombroski 21 pts
Brendan Monteiro 16 pts, 3 ast
Sam Herrick 13 pts 8 rebs
Shane West 11 pts 7 rebs
Matt Abbott 9 pts 12 rebs

Wentworth (despite 27 turnovers) shot 50 percent and held Berkeley to 35 percent.

Wentworth plays Ramapo tomorrow at 3:00.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 21, 2009, 09:45:50 PM
Gordon drops a tough one to Westfield State 54-51. It was their first ever loss in their 'Gordon College Tip-Off Tournament' since it was first held in 2004.

Gordon shot poorly in the game and had the win in their grasp at numerous times throughout.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2009, 10:31:38 AM

Today:

Wentworth at Ramapo

NEC hosts Suffolk
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 22, 2009, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: scout on November 15, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
The Commonwealth Coast Conference Pick'em - Week 1 - 11/15 through 11/21

After Week 1, the games concluded as follows:

Wednesday 11/18

Curry @ Babson
Husson @ Gordon

Friday 11/20

UNE @ UMass-Dartmouth (UMass-Dartmouth Tourney Round 1)
Endicott vs. Ithica College (Amherst Tip-Off Tourney Round 1)

Saturday 11/21

UMass-Boston @ ENC

As such, the standings after one week are as follows:

witfan: 5-0
GC Oldtimer: 4-1
scout: 4-1
yeahbuddy: 4-1
backboard: 3-2
CCC talk: 3-2
Hoops Fan: 3-2

Also, a reminder that since NEC played their game today at noon eastern, picks for this next week are closed. CCC talk was the only one that missed this week and we added hooktonhoops14 to the ranks.

Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2009, 07:21:41 PM

NEC lost today at home to Suffolk 69-78.  Salado led NEC with 14 points.  Apparently Suffolk just drowned them in threes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 24, 2009, 08:56:45 AM
To add in the other game that occurred Sunday night, Wentworth lost to Ramapo 75-53.

Tonight, only four TCCC teams are off... A number of very good games.

Anna Maria @ Clark
MIT @ Curry
ENC @ Lesley
Gordon @ Salem State
NEC @ Rivier
Nichols @ Fisher
Roger Williams @ Connecticut College
Salve Regina @ Suffolk
UNE @ Bowdoin
Keene State @ WNEC

I'm sure there are a number of gamecasts and video streams to look in on the games. If anyone is interested in watching the Gordon-Salem State matchup, there is a link to sign up for the stream on the bottom right side of the Salem State Vikings athletics homepage.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hooktonhoops14 on November 24, 2009, 08:47:35 PM
Gordon's shooting well in the early-going.  Trigg and Bajema look like Trigg and Bajema.

Gordon 33 -- Salem State 27
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 24, 2009, 08:57:14 PM
At the half, Gordon leads Salem State 43-39.

Trigg has 16 points (from my count).

I'll post other scores as I can find them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 24, 2009, 08:59:51 PM
Fisher 81 - Nichols 66
NEC 81 - Rivier 80
Anna Maria 46 - Clark 54
UNE 64 - Bowdoin 80

At the half, WNEC leads Keene State 46-36.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hooktonhoops14 on November 24, 2009, 10:08:14 PM
Gordon gets its first-ever win against Salem State.  Of course, I had to go back home tonight so I was only able to watch the broadcast.

Here's hoping that's not the first time Gordon does something it's never done before this season...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 24, 2009, 11:02:40 PM
Complete TCCC scores for the evening:

Fisher 81 - Nichols 66
NEC 81 - Rivier 80
Anna Maria 46 - Clark 54
UNE 64 - Bowdoin 80
Keene State 72 - WNEC 90
Salve Regina 71 - Suffolk 73
MIT 66 - Curry 56
ENC 57 - Lesley 71
Gordon 95 - Salem State    83
RWU 76 - Connecticut College 59

Recaps will be posted later.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 25, 2009, 12:36:38 PM
Fisher 81 - Nichols 66

Nichols allowed four players to reach double digits and the Fisher PG to hit 25. Rebounding was pretty even, but Nichols had no semblance of defense, giving Fisher 50% shooting on the night. Chris Paquin and Pete Atkins led Nichols with 13 points apiece.

NEC 81 - Rivier 80

NEC shot 63% from the floor, including 70% from the arc. They outrebounded Rivier and held on for a close win. Four Pilgrim players reached double-digits.

Anna Maria 46 - Clark 54

Anna Maria starts the season 0-4 as they shoot just 31% from the floor, and a meager 17% from 3. They went 0-10 from behind the arc in the first half. Derek Johnson was the only Anna Maria player to reach double digits (17 points).

UNE 64 - Bowdoin 80

UNE went perfect from the line, but only had six attempts. Meanwhile, Bowdoin shot 48% from the floor and outrebounded the Nor'easters by 20.

Keene State 72 - WNEC 90

Keene shot the ball, missed, got the rebound, shot, and missed again. Simply put, Keene shot 21% and 17% from behind the arc. End of story.

Salve Regina 71 - Suffolk 73

Pretty even matchup with each team hitting about 35% of their shots. Suffolk went to the line about 10 times more than Salve and that was pretty much the difference.

MIT 66 - Curry 56

Another pretty even game. Curry went 1-9 from three and hit only 42% from the line. Otherwise, pretty even game that free throws inflated the differential at the end.

ENC 57 - Lesley 71

ENC also goes to 0-4 on the season. They didn't appear to be aggressive, as Lesley only had nine fouls and ENC took six free throws. Lesley had an 18 board advantage. ENC seems to be playing on its heels.

Gordon 95 - Salem State 83

Bajema had 31 points. Trigg and Walker had 22 each. The Scots were torrid from the entire court... Shooting 53% overall, 53% from three and hitting 87% of their 36 attempts from the line.

RWU 76 - Connecticut College 59

Roger Williams continues to be a three point shooting machine. Gary Madison went 11-19 overall and 7-9 from behind the arc. His 30 points paced the Hawks. RWU also double Conn College on the boards. RWU will be a dangerous team for anyone this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2009, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: scout on November 25, 2009, 12:36:38 PM
MIT 66 - Curry 56

Another pretty even game. Curry went 1-9 from three and hit only 42% from the line. Otherwise, pretty even game that free throws inflated the differential at the end.


When you mention the end of the game, about how many minutes are you talking here?  MIT never led by less than 7 for the final 12+ minutes of the game.  They led by 15 with over 8 minutes left in the game and they shot only 2 FTs in the final 3.5 minutes.   Also, Curry shot more FTs and made more FTs than did MIT, so FTs did not inflate any type of margin at the end.  To be honest, the outcome of this game wasnt really in doubt the final 12 minutes (when MIT lead by double figures for most of the time), so I wouldnt really call it a close game.  Curry did shoot 1-9 from 3, but they also committed 23 turnovers, which had a lot to do with MIT getting 9 more shots than Curry and therefore winning comfortably despite shooting a slighlty worse percentage.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 25, 2009, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 25, 2009, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: scout on November 25, 2009, 12:36:38 PM
MIT 66 - Curry 56

Another pretty even game. Curry went 1-9 from three and hit only 42% from the line. Otherwise, pretty even game that free throws inflated the differential at the end.


When you mention the end of the game, about how many minutes are you talking here?  MIT never led by less than 7 for the final 12+ minutes of the game.  They led by 15 with over 8 minutes left in the game and they shot only 2 FTs in the final 3.5 minutes.   Also, Curry shot more FTs and made more FTs than did MIT, so FTs did not inflate any type of margin at the end.  To be honest, the outcome of this game wasnt really in doubt the final 12 minutes (when MIT lead by double figures for most of the time), so I wouldnt really call it a close game.  Curry did shoot 1-9 from 3, but they also committed 23 turnovers, which had a lot to do with MIT getting 9 more shots than Curry and therefore winning comfortably despite shooting a slighlty worse percentage.

You're absolutely right. I did these by looking at box scores, which don't provide a whole lot of context. I never truly said the game was close, just that the stats were relatively even. MIT had a little worse shooting percentage, but as you said Curry had more FT attempts and such. A slight give and take... MIT ended up on top, but I'm just saying it wasn't like their 40 point blowout of John Abbot. No slight toward MIT at all... They appear to have an incredibly balanced and talented team this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2009, 09:32:57 AM

Roger Williams is looking very good early on.  They're 4-0 and have beaten two (admittedly weaker) NESCAC teams already.  They've got RIC, Wheaton, Coast Guard, Wesleyan, and Hobart coming up before a Jan 7th match-up with UMASS-D.  It's a strong schedule, if nothing else.  It's a fantastic schedule if they come out with a lot of wins.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 27, 2009, 02:06:05 PM
We have one more game for this week's TCCC pick'em, RWU and RIC.

Here are the games for week 3. Have your picks in by Monday afternoon.

The Commonwealth Coast Conference Pick'em - Week 3 - 11/29  through 12/5


Tuesday 12/1


Salve Regina @ Roger Williams
Elms @ WNEC

Thursday 12/3

Endicott @ Gordon
Wheaton @ Roger Williams

Satuday 12/5

Gordon @ MIT
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2009, 11:57:07 PM

The Commonwealth Coast Conference Pick'em - Week 3 - 11/29  through 12/5


Tuesday 12/1


Salve Regina @ Roger Williams
Elms @ WNEC

Thursday 12/3

Endicott @ Gordon
Wheaton @ Roger Williams

Satuday 12/5

Gordon @ MIT
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 28, 2009, 12:16:55 PM
RWU, Elms, Gordon, Wheaton, MIT
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on November 28, 2009, 01:52:13 PM
Roger Williams, Elms, Gordon, Wheaton, and MIT
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: asu50 on November 28, 2009, 05:22:34 PM
RWU, Elms, Gordon, Wheaton, Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on November 28, 2009, 07:30:10 PM
RWU, WNEC, GC, RWU, GC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 28, 2009, 10:56:19 PM
The Commonwealth Coast Conference Pick'em - Week 2 - 11/22 through 11/28

The games for this week concluded as follows:

Sunday 11/22

Suffolk
@ NEC

Tuesday 11/24

Keene State @ WNEC
UNE @ Bowdoin
Gordon @ Salem State

Saturday 11/28

Roger Williams @ Rhode Island College

As such, the standings after week two are:

witfan: 9
GC Oldtimer: 9
yeahbuddy: 8
Hoops Fan: 7
backboard: 6
scout: 6
hooktonhoops14: 4
CCCtalk: 3
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on November 29, 2009, 08:02:53 AM
RWU, Elms, GC, Wheaton & MIT

Two GC games & two RWU games?  I know you hold the cards but don't forget to shuffle!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 29, 2009, 08:59:33 PM
I understand your point. I couldn't pass up the two semi-conference games and Gordon and RWU had compelling matchups later on in the week too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on November 30, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
RW, Elms, GC, RW, GC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on December 01, 2009, 01:01:26 AM
i know i'm a few days late but hey, gordon beat salem state. is this a big deal, or has salem state diminished from what they used to be?

i'm glad gordon took them down in salem, since i know the v fans were probably classy and gracious, even in defeat.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 01, 2009, 08:48:28 AM
I forgot that I hadn't posted my picks:

RWU, Elms, Gordon, Wheaton, MIT

Quote from: dwebbs on December 01, 2009, 01:01:26 AM
i know i'm a few days late but hey, gordon beat salem state. is this a big deal, or has salem state diminished from what they used to be?

i'm glad gordon took them down in salem, since i know the v fans were probably classy and gracious, even in defeat.


Salem State appears to be down this year. They started a freshman point guard and even though they have some talented players, including a transfer from BC, they started 0-3 on the season. Still, as Gordon had not topped the Vikings in close to five years, it was a big win for a new coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hooktonhoops14 on December 01, 2009, 05:06:53 PM
(Sorry for turning these in late)


RWU, Elms, Gordon, Wheaton, Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2009, 11:41:48 AM

No one's posted in a while; here's a rundown from the weekend through Tuesday night:

RWU got crushed at RIC 84-59.  I suppose the RIC home court advantage had something to do with it, but RWU didn't do themselves any favors with 21 turnovers and 3-16 from deep.  Petrucelli did go for 24 and 10, but the RWU defense came up way short.

Also over the weekend, ENC lost a close one to Medgar Evers 72-80 and Curry went down to Rochester 67-59.  Mastrullo went 6-12 from 3 for all 18 of his points, but Curry was led by AJ Stephens at 21 and 12.  Maybe the Curry Lakers have found their Gasol?  Curry lost to Kean the next night 73-70, led by 31 from Mastrullo (on 9-16 from deep) and 18 from Stephens.

Lat night:

NEC over Newbury 57-54
WNEC loses to Elms 65-84
AMC over Coast Guard 57-54
RC goes down to Fitchburg 48-51
UNE trounced by Colby (who might be the best team in the region this year) 48-72
Curry loses to WPI 62-76
GC over ENC 81-59
RWU over SRU 72-65

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 02, 2009, 11:48:36 AM
Did I read that correctly?  Anna Maria beat Coast Guard?

Sounded like a pretty exciting games too: "Point guard Junior De La Hoz (Lawrence, Mass.) scored seven points in the final 1:30, including a game-winning three-pointer, to lift the Anna Maria College men's basketball team to a thrilling 57-54 victory over Coast Guard Academy in the AMCATS home opener at The Fuller Activities Center on Tuesday night."

Is Anna Maria finally turning things around, or is Coast Guard not that good?  I'll go with both

(Wentworth travels to Coast Guard tomorrow tonight)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 03, 2009, 07:42:33 PM
At the half . . . Endicott 40 Gordon 25

The three ball has been working well for Endicott and Gordon is having shooting troubles
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 03, 2009, 08:08:19 PM
Wentworth is running away from Coast Guard.  They came out at the half with a 10-1 run and have already hit 9 three's
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 03, 2009, 08:28:16 PM
Gordon storms back, take the lead after being down 19
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 03, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Wentworth dominates over Coast Guard, 71-46
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 03, 2009, 08:46:11 PM
Another classic game, Endicott 71 - Gordon 68

I'll allow the Gordon fans to recap, I'm sure they'll show up
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 03, 2009, 11:56:34 PM
I didn't watch the Gordon-Endicott game and I haven't looked at the stats, so I can't say much. But I heard Gordon was down big at half and clawed back...

But a loss is a loss and Todd Murphy got his first look at a bitter rivalry.

Gordon now takes the short trip down to Cambridge to face a seemingly insurmountable MIT team...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hoops55 on December 04, 2009, 12:51:49 PM
Mark Mastrullo might be the first 1,500 point scorer in CCC history to never make an all- conference team in his career... How ridiculous is that??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on December 04, 2009, 01:36:10 PM
you might want to reference his 37% fg in conference play last year and his negative assist-turnover ratio.  I mean 37%!!!  Anybody can put up points if they take enough shots...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gogordon11 on December 04, 2009, 01:53:03 PM
last night's game (GC v. EC) was an amazing game to be at, though the outcome was obviously disappointing.
gordon could not get it together in the first half. the shooters seemed jittery, and the intensity on defense and on the boards was lacking.
what was frightening was that they didn't even really respond after halftime, immediately, either. no disrespect to jt himmelstein, but I was surprised that brady wasn't on the court to start the second half. maybe go with a 3-guard look to get all three out there at once? notice that brady was key to the comeback.
coming back from down 17 was pretty incredible, and it was clear that the pit got to the endicott players. down the stretch, though, the key shots just didn't fall. [warning: sour grapes ahead] I found that pretty frustrating that wrapping a guy up, a clear intentional foul, isn't enough to draw a whistle to stop the clock (that happened twice in the final minute. seemed like the refs just wanted the game to be over, didn't want to have any chance of an overtime. we'll just have to go steal another one from their house on jan. 30.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2009, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: hoops55 on December 04, 2009, 12:51:49 PM
Mark Mastrullo might be the first 1,500 point scorer in CCC history to never make an all- conference team in his career... How ridiculous is that??

He'll make a team this year.  CCC coaches always make sure talented seniors get their due.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on December 04, 2009, 05:36:01 PM
The sad thing about the GC-EC game is that if GC only hit their FTs then the game just would not be close.  I think they missed 13.  That is just not acceptable.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gogordon11 on December 05, 2009, 01:52:19 AM
Quote from: akirk on December 04, 2009, 05:36:01 PM
The sad thing about the GC-EC game is that if GC only hit their FTs then the game just would not be close.  I think they missed 13.  That is just not acceptable.
that was one thing I forgot to mention. it is one thing when the big guys miss them (gaskill in particular I remember missing a handful), but trigg also uncharacteristically missed a couple in the second half. he did hit some big shots, but really he looked a little uncomfortable all night. the refs didn't call a very tight game, so perhaps endicott's physicality got to him? brady was the bigger star for the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2009, 07:45:41 PM
I posted a pretty extensive summary for the Gordon - MIT game on the NEWMAC board.

I was very impressed by Gordon today.  They have a lot of quality bigs and obviously their guard, Bajema and Trigg, are very skilled and both are good sized for guards at the d3 level. 

They will be very strong in the region this year and, despite their loss to Endicott the other day, I look for them to win the CCC this year. 

Great game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hooktonhoops14 on December 06, 2009, 05:44:48 PM
What a week!  Bittersweet for us Gordon fans.  After going 31-36 from the line against Salem State, watching the Scots miss 10 in the first half alone was gut wrenching.   However, in my 4 years at Gordon, I don't know that I've ever heard that gym as loud as it got when Gordon took the lead after being down 17 with just 7:48 left on the clock.  In the end, a disappointing loss but a gutsy showing from Endicott to hang on in the end.  This Danquah Rawlins kid should make some noise over the next few years...

Another great showing for Gordon at MIT and a great double-double from Gaskill.  I think he looks a lot more like a big man than he did a year ago.  However, you can only accompany solid performances with Ls for so long, so the Scots better figure out how to finish close games out before conference play starts up...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 07, 2009, 03:03:30 PM
I've been quite busy for the past week... So, no pick'em this week. I'll post the standings after three weeks in the next day or two.

I'll hopefully have the slate for our next week on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 08, 2009, 09:59:50 PM
Well it's only a matter of time before this board hears the news..let's just say all is not well in Charger Town
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2009, 12:47:51 AM

It was an odd night for the CCC, throwing even more wrenches into the conversation about which teams are actually good.

Gordon wins in impressive fashion over a previously "lookin' good" Wheelock squad 66-50.  Trigg scored 20; Greg Walker went 16 and 13.  Wheelock shot all of 30% in the game.

Then Nichols beats a Westfield State team (that previously beat GC in Wenham) 82-67.  Nichols has looked pretty good so far, but there's no good reason we should believe they're any good.  Then we get this one to confuse us even more.  Pete Atkins? had 33 points and Brian Riley had 20.

Regis, who looked decent in their tournament in NJ gets blown out by Newbury (who got trounced by Curry three days ago) 80-56.  Newbury shot lights out (60%) in the second half and Regis had 21 turnovers, but still.

UNE goes down to WPI in the only relatively predictable game of the night - 88-70.  Nothing spectacular, UNE shot poorly, but kept the turnovers to a minimum.

Endicott comes close against EConn (a solid 6-1 squad), falling 74-78.  Rawlins had 17 in the loss.

Roger Williams comes close to a three team sweep of the NESCAC, falling to Wesleyan 61-63.  If RWU is really as good as their start seems to indicate, they should have won this game.  They've thrown some doubt on themselves with this one.

I lied, Salve losing to RIC 79-53 was also pretty predictable, although one might have expected SRU to lose by an even greater margin.  I picked ENC to go winless this season, but this SRU team might be the one to sink me.  Dan Royce went for 24 and 12 in the loss.  They managed an astounding 23 turnovers to 8 assists and shot 3-14 from deep.

As previously mentioned the CSC fall from grace is nearing completion with a home loss, this time to Castleton State 68-72.  They have a road game at Middlebury in January, which could be very ugly.  The Chargers missed 11 FTs and went 4-30 from deep (3 of them from one guy).  Chaloux went for 19 and 10 with 5 blocks as the bright spot.  The sad thing is, Castleton was just as bad and played six guys from the bench double digit minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 09, 2009, 02:03:07 PM
I just wish that I could explain what I saw last night...but I can't

Literally it feels like overnight the team that lives and dies by the three decided to die a horrible death by it. They weren't getting the shots they wanted from outside so they were either forcing them or making bad decisions that led to turnovers.

The season where it was all supposed to come together is quickly turning into the one where it all falls apart.

Hopefully, it is what the optimist in me sees, which is a road bump that I'd rather have happen early than late in the season. They've got Bowdoin on the road coming up so hopefully they show up there, then another home game Saturday before a little break which it seems that everyone on the team needs.

I still trust Coach Foti to right the ship and weather the storm in time before it's too late.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2009, 12:28:00 AM

Take heart Charger fans - on the road: CSC 74, Bowdoin 73.  They were much more judicious with the three (not to mention accurate) this evening, going 9-17.  Couple that with 20 points from Chaloux and forcing 19 turnovers and you get a one point squeaker against a "name" team with no identity.  It might be all they can ask for this year.

Nichols beat Suffolk 65-57.  Suffolk shot only three FTs the entire game.  NC had only 10 turnovers.

WNEC beats Hartwick.  You'll forgive me if it still doesn't feel right to list them as a CCC team.  I know they're in the conference, but everything about this arrangement seems wrong.

NEC loses by one to Green Mountain, in OT.  74-75.

Finally, Endicott puts on a good show against Colby, losing 72-61.  It looks like Montrond's starting again.  Colby seemed to do well on the boards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on December 11, 2009, 12:47:34 AM
I got word immediately after but I needed Hoops Fan to make it seem real.

I will take it, I saw it as a "now or never" game for the season and with Norwich on Saturday (though apparently no opponent is an easy one this season) and then a much needed holiday break for the boys to recoop..the machine should be free of all kinks by the time they go to Long Island for a tournament around New Years. Just in time for tournament play I think they'll be straightened out for the long playoff run I anticipated.

Where is everyone on this? Hopefully when we all start playing each other the smack talk that I live for will return..
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2009, 10:54:45 PM

CSC wins again, 85-83 over Norwich.

Endicott goes down to Wheelock 72-57.

Nichols gets crushed at Clark 90-65.

WNEC beat Union 58-56.

NEC loses to Lyndon State 101-79.

Regis hangs close to WPI, but falls 64-56.

UNE beats Farmington 81-67.

AMC played ME-Machais, but I didn't see a score.


We're done until after Christmas.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 13, 2009, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 12, 2009, 10:54:45 PM
AMC played ME-Machais, but I didn't see a score.

They won 75-72.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on December 21, 2009, 11:19:20 PM
TCCC First Semester All-Conference Team
Sure this'll bug somebody...just one basketball junkie's opinion.

First Team:
Jon Chaloux – 6'6", Sr., F, Colby-Sawyer – 19.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 84% FT, 1.7 spg, 37% 3FG, 1.9 bpg
Rick Johnson – 6'0", Sr., G, Western New England – 22 ppg, 54% FG, 4.8 apg, 41% 3FG
Pat Flanagan – 6'9", So., C, Roger Williams – 12.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 55% FG, 1.8 bpg
Aaron Trigg – 6'1", Sr., G, Gordon – 17 ppg, 3.8 apg, 77% FT, 38% 3FG
A.J. Stephens – 6'6", So., F, Curry – 17.7 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 62% FG

Second Team:
Brady Bajema – 6'2", Sr., G, Gordon – 16.1 ppg, 53% FG, 88% FT, 58% 3FG
Gary Madison – 6'1", So., G, Roger Williams – 16.8 ppg, 2.3 spg
Chris Paquin – 6'3", Sr., G, Nichols – 14.6 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 80% FT, 41% 3FG
Jason Chevrefils – 6'3", Fr., F, Colby-Sawyer -14.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 47% FG, 1.7 spg
Greg Walker – 6'7", Jr., F, Gordon – 13.4 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 52% FG

Player of the Semester:
Jon Chaloux – 6'6", Sr., F, Colby-Sawyer – 19.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 84% FT, 1.7 spg, 37% 3FG, 1.9 bpg

Newcomer of the Semester:
Jason Chevrefils – 6'3", Fr., F, Colby-Sawyer -14.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 47% FG, 1.7 spg

Coach of the Semester:
Mike Tulley, Roger Williams
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2010, 01:32:14 AM

Are those selections based on stats or on seeing guys play?  I'd have to say there are better players out there than some of these selections, certainly guys who have meant more to their teams.

I'm also not sure you can even get a decent picture until the conference season is underway.  Everything before Christmas is preparation.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on January 02, 2010, 10:55:10 AM
I've seen a little more than half the league either live or online.  Certainly I am not an expert on the league overall but have a clue.  Would like to hear who you felt was omitted and who they would replace.  That was more of the point of the exercise for me, to get that kind of feedback.  Big league with a lot of good players no doubt.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on January 04, 2010, 10:16:35 PM
Happy to welcome the Fighting Scots back to my "neck of the woods" (upstate NY) at the Union College tournament.  This is the same tournament they were in two years ago.  Gordon faced off against the hosts in the first round and won 69-47.  The game was close in the first half, not in the second.  Essentially, Union had no answer for Gordon's size, both rebounding and scoring down low.  The Scots will face Montclair State in the Championship.  They won against Elms, in what I was told was a close game, 65-63 or something like that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on January 05, 2010, 10:46:28 PM
For the second time in three years, Gordon wins the Sig Mokofski Tournament at Union College beating Montclair State 64-53.  It was a pretty ugly game in the beginning with neither team playing particularly well, I think MSU lead 10-7 halfway through the first half.  Both teams played better in the second half as Gordon slowly grew their one point lead.  Aaron Trigg had 20 points.  This was a game where Gordon probably should have played better but still gutted out a tough win, two impressive road victories.   Bring on TCCC!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on January 05, 2010, 10:51:50 PM
The Gordon score tonight was 61-53, sorry about that...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 07, 2010, 09:35:47 PM
CSC stuns Middlebury tonight by 10.  Nice win for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on January 08, 2010, 10:14:13 AM
If Castleton loss was the low point of the season..this has to be the high..a huge road win handing the number 7 team in the nation its first loss of the season..man I can't wait for conference play!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 09, 2010, 08:36:40 AM
Conference play gets going today:

Colby-Sawyer @ Regis (Mass.)               
Wentworth @ Gordon               
Endicott @ Eastern Nazarene               
UNE @ New England College               
Curry @ Western New England               
Anna Maria @ Salve Regina               
Nichols @ Roger Williams
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 09, 2010, 05:03:47 PM
Gordon 57, Wentworth 49
UNE 80, NEC 67
Curry 67, WNEC 56
RWU 62, Nichols 61
Regis 89, Colby-Sawyer 69
ENC 72, Endicott 67
Anna Maria 71, Salve Regina 62
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2010, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on January 09, 2010, 05:03:47 PM
Gordon 57, Wentworth 49
UNE 80, NEC 67
Curry 67, WNEC 56
RWU 62, Nichols 61
Regis 89, Colby-Sawyer 69
ENC 72, Endicott 67
Anna Maria 71, Salve Regina 62

Seriously?  Is there anyway to change the conference tournament to let everyone in?  It's the only thing that seems fair right now.  Anyway, the post season will be fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 11, 2010, 10:31:10 PM
No games tonight, but everyone is in action tomorrow evening:

Gordon @ Anna Maria (has been moved to Becker College)
NEC @ Colby-Sawyer
Curry @ UNE
ENC @ Wentworth
Nichols @ Endicott
Salve Regina @ Regis
Roger Williams @ WNEC

Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 09, 2010, 09:44:12 PM
Seriously?  Is there anyway to change the conference tournament to let everyone in?  It's the only thing that seems fair right now.  Anyway, the post season will be fun.

Agreed. Colby-Sawyer is the case in point... Losing to Regis a few days after beating Middlebury.

There is extreme parity in the league this year. While we haven't seen these teams play each other much, the sheer unpredictability of non-conference results gives us a taste of what these teams can do... both on the bright side and on the not-so-bright side of things.

At this point of the season, it's usually worth it to attempt to rank the teams in order of predicted conference finish. I would normally be all for it... Yet, after 11 to 15 games, I don't think I know much more than I did at the beginning. I honestly believe that this conference season could be played out a number of times and I doubt a single team would win it more than twice...

Can anyone make sense of this?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2010, 09:41:15 PM
WNEC stomps Roger Williams 76-57 tonight.  No boxscore yet.

Regis over Salve 61-53.  Also no boxscore.

Wentworth ends ENC's two game win streak in a close 62-61 home victory.  There must be some issue with the stat programs tonight or the uploads are slow.  No boxscore here either.

CSC over NEC 67-49.  Even without seeing a boxscore, that's a nice defensive performance.  Chevrefils had 23 points to pace Colby-Sawyer.  Chaloux went for 17 with 18 rebounds (with 4 assists, 2 steals, and a block).  Bardaglio went 4-9 from deep and Willis had 7 assists.  NEC was led by 10 points from Eric Lenehan.

Gordon over Anna Maria 72-64.  AMC has been on quite a run recently.  No boxscore yet, probably due to the game being held just down the road at Becker.

UNE and Curry are pretty tight in the second half; nothing from the Endicott-Nichols game yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 12, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2010, 09:41:15 PM
WNEC stomps Roger Williams 76-57 tonight.  No boxscore yet.

Regis over Salve 61-53.  Also no boxscore.

Wentworth ends ENC's two game win streak in a close 62-61 home victory.  There must be some issue with the stat programs tonight or the uploads are slow.  No boxscore here either.

CSC over NEC 67-49.  Even without seeing a boxscore, that's a nice defensive performance.  Chevrefils had 23 points to pace Colby-Sawyer.  Chaloux went for 17 with 18 rebounds (with 4 assists, 2 steals, and a block).  Bardaglio went 4-9 from deep and Willis had 7 assists.  NEC was led by 10 points from Eric Lenehan.

Gordon over Anna Maria 72-64.  AMC has been on quite a run recently.  No boxscore yet, probably due to the game being held just down the road at Becker.

UNE and Curry are pretty tight in the second half; nothing from the Endicott-Nichols game yet.

Endicott thumps Nichol 92-76. Chris Galbraith led the Gulls with 20 and Pete Atkins of Nichols led all scorers with 29.

Still nothing from UNE...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 12, 2010, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: scout on January 12, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2010, 09:41:15 PM
WNEC stomps Roger Williams 76-57 tonight.  No boxscore yet.

Regis over Salve 61-53.  Also no boxscore.

Wentworth ends ENC's two game win streak in a close 62-61 home victory.  There must be some issue with the stat programs tonight or the uploads are slow.  No boxscore here either.

CSC over NEC 67-49.  Even without seeing a boxscore, that's a nice defensive performance.  Chevrefils had 23 points to pace Colby-Sawyer.  Chaloux went for 17 with 18 rebounds (with 4 assists, 2 steals, and a block).  Bardaglio went 4-9 from deep and Willis had 7 assists.  NEC was led by 10 points from Eric Lenehan.

Gordon over Anna Maria 72-64.  AMC has been on quite a run recently.  No boxscore yet, probably due to the game being held just down the road at Becker.

UNE and Curry are pretty tight in the second half; nothing from the Endicott-Nichols game yet.

Endicott thumps Nichol 92-76. Chris Galbraith led the Gulls with 20 and Pete Atkins of Nichols led all scorers with 29.

Still nothing from UNE...

On the score page it has Curry up by 9 with 50 seconds to play.

Final:  Curry 91 - 86 UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2010, 11:18:03 PM

Something is wrong with that UNE press.  Either that or they just can't shoot this year.  The system really worked well down the stretch last season.  I'd like to see them get it right.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 13, 2010, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2010, 09:41:15 PMWentworth ends ENC's two game win streak in a close 62-61 home victory.  There must be some issue with the stat programs tonight or the uploads are slow.  No boxscore here either.
Server/operator issue...

http://www.wit.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0910/WIT12.HTM
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2010, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on January 13, 2010, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2010, 09:41:15 PMWentworth ends ENC's two game win streak in a close 62-61 home victory.  There must be some issue with the stat programs tonight or the uploads are slow.  No boxscore here either.
Server/operator issue...

http://www.wit.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0910/WIT12.HTM

My brother in law works for your IT department; I'm sure its his fault.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 13, 2010, 12:22:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 13, 2010, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on January 13, 2010, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2010, 09:41:15 PMWentworth ends ENC's two game win streak in a close 62-61 home victory.  There must be some issue with the stat programs tonight or the uploads are slow.  No boxscore here either.
Server/operator issue...

http://www.wit.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0910/WIT12.HTM

My brother in law works for your IT department; I'm sure its his fault.
Nope.  It was all me.  This time anyway...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 14, 2010, 11:57:42 PM
Non-league action from 1/14...

Worcester State 93, Anna Maria 90
Eastern Connecticut 75, Wentworth 67
Eastern Nazarene 76, Newbury 56

(one from Wednesday night)
Fitchburg State 80, Nichols 73

Full TCCC slate on Saturday...
Gordon @ ENC
CSC @ Anna Maria
Regis @ Curry
NEC @ Nichols
Endicott @ WNEC
Wentworth @ RWU
Salve @ UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on January 15, 2010, 07:40:25 AM
The TCCC might be as competitive up and down as I can remember it.  A couple of potential "upsets" I could certainly see happening this weekend.  Wouldn't be surprised to see ENC and Anna Maria give the top dogs tough games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 16, 2010, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: leelowlang on January 15, 2010, 07:40:25 AM
The TCCC might be as competitive up and down as I can remember it.  A couple of potential "upsets" I could certainly see happening this weekend.  Wouldn't be surprised to see ENC and Anna Maria give the top dogs tough games.

Of the games I can get a score...

At halftime:
Wentworth 31 - RWU 33
Colby-Sawyer 21 - Anna Maria 30
Salve Regina 31 - UNE 36

With 17:14 left in the game, Regis 25 - Curry 34

With 15:31 left in the game, NEC 30 - Nichols 32

With 2:47 left in the first, Endicott 24 - WNEC 34.

Gordon - ENC is a blackout, apparently...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 16, 2010, 04:52:35 PM
Wentworth 71, Roger Williams 64
Colby-Sawyer 58, Anna Maria 57
UNE 73, Salve Regina 61
Gordon 81, ENC 58
Curry 72, Regis 66
Nichols 74, NEC 61
WNEC 88, Endicott 81
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 16, 2010, 09:32:17 PM
No real surprises in today's games.  Certainly didn't expect Anna Maria to hang that close with CSC, but I think it's time we stop assuming Anna Maria is a gimme win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2010, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: backboard on January 16, 2010, 09:32:17 PM
No real surprises in today's games.  Certainly didn't expect Anna Maria to hang that close with CSC, but I think it's time we stop assuming Anna Maria is a gimme win.

Or that Colby-Sawyer can play with any sort of consistency from one game to the next.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 17, 2010, 08:35:47 AM
1/4th of the way home give or take a game and I think we can take a look at some predictions:

1. Gordon- Playing the best out of anyone. Have maybe the leagues best player in Aaron Trigg and maybe the league's best point guard in Brady Bajema.

2. Curry- Playing very well and the newcomers seem to be mixing well with the old timers Jourdain is a huge addition and an all conference possibility.

3. Wentworth- They could easily finish here or 8th. I don't know what to make of them but Sam Herrick at 6'10 is starting to put up some numbers and they just beat RWU on the road.

4. RWU- Great early season out of conference record, can they right the ship?

5. Colby-Sawyer- Could not be more all over the place. Lost of a ton of vets

6. WNEC- Rick Johnson and Andrew Shaw are a very tough 1-2

7. Nichols- Good mix of vets and youth.

8. Regis- Another team that's hard to get a handle on. Is this the year they make the leap?

9. UNE- The defending champs are struggling with the loss of JJ and Simpson

10. Anna Maria- The surprise so far

11. Endicott- Another decent team on paper, having a lot of trouble though.

12. Eastern Naz- Much improved from last year. With a win in the league already and a 1 point loss to Wentworth

13. Salve Regina and 14. NEC wait til next year
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 18, 2010, 07:06:44 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on January 17, 2010, 08:35:47 AM
1/4th of the way home give or take a game and I think we can take a look at some predictions:

1. Gordon- Playing the best out of anyone. Have maybe the leagues best player in Aaron Trigg and maybe the league's best point guard in Brady Bajema.

Just a general question for anyone but I'd really like to hear what the Gordon fans have to say:
What's the better guard combination, Aaron Trigg + Brady Bajema or Jerry Logan + Justin Kaufman?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 18, 2010, 08:52:10 PM
Quote from: backboard on January 18, 2010, 07:06:44 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on January 17, 2010, 08:35:47 AM
1/4th of the way home give or take a game and I think we can take a look at some predictions:

1. Gordon- Playing the best out of anyone. Have maybe the leagues best player in Aaron Trigg and maybe the league's best point guard in Brady Bajema.

Just a general question for anyone but I'd really like to hear what the Gordon fans have to say:
What's the better guard combination, Aaron Trigg + Brady Bajema or Jerry Logan + Justin Kaufman?

I could go crazy in-depth with this, but I'll refrain until I can pull together some data. With that said, I'd choose Trigg-Bajema. Don't get me wrong, Logan-Kaufman were fantastic, but I think Aaron and Brady have more all-around potential.

With Jerry Logan and Justin Kaufman, Gordon had a solid defender and a wonderful ball-handler. Scoring was off and on, but the ball was in good hands and Jerry basically wiped the opponent's best scorer off the stat sheet.

With Aaron Trigg and Brady Bajema, Gordon has an overall star and a pure shooter. Trigg does everything well. I heard Mike Schauer describe Aaron as the best defender he had at Gordon (I still would choose Logan, but it's close). But Aaron drives well, he shoots from range well, he hits his free throws, and he has a great basketball IQ. Brady is probably one of the best shooters Gordon has ever had. I remember Ryan Smith hit some big shots in his time... But Brady is insane. I don't think he's still there, but at one point last week he was hitting over 60% of his 3's. That led the nation.

Both combinations were/are great. But I think Gordon has a solid backcourt that will help dramatically come tournament time in this conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 18, 2010, 09:02:51 PM
There have been some pretty good backcourt combinations in the CCC within the past few years (in no particular order):

Oxton/Ellis or Oxton/George (so much size on those teams, I remember they were able to move Matt George around) - Endicott
Colin Bray/Nate Truncellito or Tyler Fornier - CSC
Prezzie-Blue/Doyle - Wentworth
Tim Jones/James Bartelle - Curry

I know I'm leaving out a lot of people, no offense to anyone.  Just need to do more research and back up it with stats
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 19, 2010, 10:35:51 PM
Curry tops Colby-Sawyer 89-79 in OT tonight.

Senior Jon Chaloux became the Colby-Sawyer's 13th men's basketball player to register 1000 career points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 20, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
I apologize for not continuing the pick'em league. I've been applying and interviewing for med school, so I've been tied up. I can provide the stats and such if someone wants to take over... But I'm swamped, so I deeply apologize for getting your hopes up.

In any case...

Games for this evening:

Anna Maria @ Endicott
UNE @ ENC
Gordon @ RWU
Regis @ NEC
Nichols @ Salve Regina
WNEC @ WIT

Below are the standings for TCCC through today:




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
TeamConferenceOverall
Curry4-07-7
Gordon3-010-3
WNEC2-17-7
Regis2-16-8
WIT2-16-8
UNE2-15-8
Colby-Sawyer2-29-7
RWU1-29-6
Nichols1-28-6
Endicott1-26-8
Anna Maria1-26-9
ENC1-23-12
NEC0-35-10
Salve Regina0-31-13

I'll attempt to compile some team statistics and we can have some discussion comparing them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 20, 2010, 03:09:32 PM
Med school out of Gordon eh? Don't let them call you out on the "jesus horses" thing....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jesus%20Horse
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 20, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 20, 2010, 03:09:32 PM
Med school out of Gordon eh? Don't let them call you out on the "jesus horses" thing....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jesus%20Horse

Undergrad at Gordon. But post-baccalaureate work at KU. And applying to KU Med... So I'm optimistic.

Are you planning to grace us with another smack-off post? They're always oddly gratifying.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 20, 2010, 09:54:07 PM
Scores for this evening:

Gordon 67 - RWU 64
Regis 93 - NEC 62
WNEC 87 - WIT 80
Nichols 70 -Salve Regina 84
Anna Maria 63 - Endicott 74

ENC has not reported its score against UNE yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 20, 2010, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: scout on January 20, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 20, 2010, 03:09:32 PM
Med school out of Gordon eh? Don't let them call you out on the "jesus horses" thing....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jesus%20Horse

Undergrad at Gordon. But post-baccalaureate work at KU. And applying to KU Med... So I'm optimistic.

Are you planning to grace us with another smack-off post? They're always oddly gratifying.

I personally loved reading Jim Rome's posts.  He was unbiased and was always good for a laugh
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2010, 10:43:28 PM

ENC beat UNE 71-64.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 23, 2010, 07:08:24 PM
Saturday scores...

Wentworth 83, Endicott 65
Colby-Sawyer 82, Nichols 73
Western New England 96, Salve Regina 85
UNE 86, Anna Maria 65
Roger Williams 83, NEC 66
Gordon 74, Curry 68
Regis 89, ENC 78
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on January 23, 2010, 08:08:28 PM
Quote from: backboard on January 20, 2010, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: scout on January 20, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: Jim Rome Of The CCC on January 20, 2010, 03:09:32 PM
Med school out of Gordon eh? Don't let them call you out on the "jesus horses" thing....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jesus%20Horse

Undergrad at Gordon. But post-baccalaureate work at KU. And applying to KU Med... So I'm optimistic.

Are you planning to grace us with another smack-off post? They're always oddly gratifying.

I personally loved reading Jim Rome's posts.  He was unbiased and was always good for a laugh


Yes please come back to us Jim Rome of the TCCC!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 26, 2010, 06:16:11 PM
Two games on the slate tonight:

Newbury @ Gordon
Regis @ Trinity (Conn)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on January 27, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
Quote from: scout on January 26, 2010, 06:16:11 PM
Two games on the slate tonight:

Newbury @ Gordon
Regis @ Trinity (Conn)

Newbury 51 - Gordon 79
Regis 56 - Trinity (Conn) 66

Gordon push their winning streak to nine and are now 13-3.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on January 28, 2010, 10:29:19 PM
Eastern Nazarene 54 - Colby-Sawyer 70
WNEC 79   - Nichols 92
UNE 81 - Regis 80
Salve Regina 56 - Wentworth 86
Endicott 55 - Roger Williams 52
NEC 57 - Gordon 79
Curry 68 - Anna Maria 73

I suppose Anna Maria over Curry is a surprise as well as Nichols over WNEC.  Otherwise, everything else was expected
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2010, 03:42:04 PM
Quote from: backboard on January 28, 2010, 10:29:19 PM
Eastern Nazarene 54 - Colby-Sawyer 70
WNEC 79   - Nichols 92
UNE 81 - Regis 80
Salve Regina 56 - Wentworth 86
Endicott 55 - Roger Williams 52
NEC 57 - Gordon 79
Curry 68 - Anna Maria 73

I suppose Anna Maria over Curry is a surprise as well as Nichols over WNEC.  Otherwise, everything else was expected

I think Nichols has played well enough to have wins not be a surprise.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on January 30, 2010, 10:40:34 PM
Saturday Roundup...

Salve Regina 67, NEC 64
Anna Maria 92, ENC 65
Gordon 64, Endicott 55
Wentworth 80, Regis 68
UNE 87, WNEC 79
Roger Williams 81, Colby-Sawyer 75
Curry 78, Nichols 66

Standings through seven games...
Gordon 7-0
UNE 5-2
Wentworth 5-2
Curry 5-2
Colby-Sawyer 4-3
Western New England 4-3
Regis 4-3
Roger Williams 3-4
Endicott 3-4
Anna Maria 3-4
Nichols 2-5
ENC 2-5
Salve Regina 1-6
NEC 1-6
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on February 02, 2010, 10:39:02 AM
Very sad news. Mike Crotty Sr. Director of Middlesex Magic AAU basketball program and friend to New England Basketball Coaches Assc. Past away this morning. There is not enough space here to list the countless kids he helped to get into college or just be a part of the game we love. I will miss him and all that he has done to make our sport and community a better place. Our prayers go out to his family. Rest in Peace Mike!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on February 04, 2010, 04:11:13 PM
Regional rankings just released, Gordon is 7th.

Northeast Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Williams 17-0 19-1
2. MIT 17-1 18-2
3. Colby 13-1 15-2
4. Middlebury 13-2 17-2
5. Brandeis 14-3 14-3
6. Bridgewater State 12-3 13-5
7. Gordon 14-3 15-3
8. Western Conn. St. 12-4 13-4
9. Mass.-Dartmouth 13-6 13-6
10. Rhode Island College 13-6 13-6
11. Eastern Connecticut State 13-6 13-6
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 04, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
Those rankings have lost all credibility in my mind
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 04, 2010, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 04, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
Those rankings have lost all credibility in my mind

Feel free to explain. It's easy to just say it without support.

Not that I don't agree with you, but let's hear why...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 04, 2010, 07:19:03 PM
Gordon has the advantage of playing in TCCC, therefore the competition they play is weaker.  I enjoy following the teams in this conference just as much as the next guy, but we're fooling ourselves in thinking that we're on the same level as the NESCAC or NEWMAC (not that anybody does hopefully).

When looking at the Gordon schedule, where's their standout win?  Salem State?  Sure that's a quality win, no argument there and I do realize that they played MIT tough and went into OT.  But Gordon has simply benefited from playing in a weaker conference and beating up on those opponents. 

A team like Amherst isn't even ranked on this list.  Not sure if this list depicts the best teams in the region, or just the ones with the best record.  Regardless, I'm glad that TCCC has a representative and I fully expect Gordon to be representing us come tournament time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2010, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 04, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
Those rankings have lost all credibility in my mind

It's ok to disagree, we all do, however these rankings can't lack credibility since they are the basis for choosing the teams that get into the tournament.

It's all about in region winning percentage and the SOS number (a combination of opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage).

Unless there's a real disparity in scheduling, they almost always go by regional record.  That's what we see here.

I know Gordon hasn't played a great schedule, but it's actually better than Colby's schedule thus far.  Colby will make up for it with the end of their NESCAC season.

The NE region gets a big advantage in these numbers because there are more bad teams with good records to schedule.

In the end it helps the NE get more teams into the tournament.

Amherst isn't in the rankings because they've lost to every decent team they've played this year.  Also, I'm not sure if the RIC game factored into these rankings.  That win will help them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on February 05, 2010, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: backboard on February 04, 2010, 07:19:03 PM
Gordon has the advantage of playing in TCCC, therefore the competition they play is weaker.  I enjoy following the teams in this conference just as much as the next guy, but we're fooling ourselves in thinking that we're on the same level as the NESCAC or NEWMAC (not that anybody does hopefully).

When looking at the Gordon schedule, where's their standout win?  Salem State?  Sure that's a quality win, no argument there and I do realize that they played MIT tough and went into OT.  But Gordon has simply benefited from playing in a weaker conference and beating up on those opponents. 

A team like Amherst isn't even ranked on this list.  Not sure if this list depicts the best teams in the region, or just the ones with the best record.  Regardless, I'm glad that TCCC has a representative and I fully expect Gordon to be representing us come tournament time.

I agree but is Salem State and there 6-13 record even a quality win?  I hope their out of conference scheduling improves next year.  Is it better to lose against good teams or win against bad ones?  I guess these reankings along with Hoops Fans explanation answers that question.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2010, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on February 05, 2010, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: backboard on February 04, 2010, 07:19:03 PM
Gordon has the advantage of playing in TCCC, therefore the competition they play is weaker.  I enjoy following the teams in this conference just as much as the next guy, but we're fooling ourselves in thinking that we're on the same level as the NESCAC or NEWMAC (not that anybody does hopefully).

When looking at the Gordon schedule, where's their standout win?  Salem State?  Sure that's a quality win, no argument there and I do realize that they played MIT tough and went into OT.  But Gordon has simply benefited from playing in a weaker conference and beating up on those opponents.  

A team like Amherst isn't even ranked on this list.  Not sure if this list depicts the best teams in the region, or just the ones with the best record.  Regardless, I'm glad that TCCC has a representative and I fully expect Gordon to be representing us come tournament time.

I agree but is Salem State and there 6-13 record even a quality win?  I hope their out of conference scheduling improves next year.  Is it better to lose against good teams or win against bad ones?  I guess these reankings along with Hoops Fans explanation answers that question.

You want to play teams from your region (or those close by) with good records, whether the teams are good or not.  Obviously, it's better to win and to lose.  In the end, winning is the most important thing.  It's tough to deny a team with only one or two losses - no matter who they played.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 08, 2010, 08:38:55 AM
Rest Of The Way Predictions

1. Gordon
2. Curry
3. Wentworth
4. WNEC
5. UNE
6. Colby Sawyer
7. Endicott
8. Nichols
----
9. Regis
10. AMC
11. RWU
12. Salve
13. ENC
14. NEC

First Team All League
Mark Mastrullo. Sr. Curry
Aaron Trigg Sr. Gordon
Jon Chaloux Sr. Colby-Sawyer
Dan Royce Jr. Salve
Rich Johnson Sr. WNEC

Second Team All League
Brady Bajema Sr. Gordon
Sam Herrick Jr. Wentworth
Anthony Johnson So. UNE
Chris Paquin Sr. Nichols
Jarrell Jackson Jr. Curry

Honorable Mention:
Jabreche Boyd Sr. Salve
Junior De La Hoz Jr. AMC
Gary Madison So. RWU
Jesse Vega Sr. Regis
Jason Chevrefls CSC Fr.

Player of the Year: Aaron Trigg Gordon
Rookie of the Year: Jason Chevrefils
Coach of the Year: Tod Murphy Gordon
Defensive Player of the Year: Quinten Thompson UNE

All Rookie Team: (not named just for fun)
F- Jason Cheverfls CSC
F- Anthony Click AMC
G- Adam Dombrowski Wentworth
G- Andre Shaw WNEC
G- Max Barbosa ENC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 09, 2010, 09:18:46 PM
Gordon is no longer undefeated in TCCC play as they drop one to Colby-Sawyer 74-63. Once again, the Chargers prove they are the most inconsistent team in the northeast as they controlled the game from the start.

Gordon is now 17-4, 9-1... but still hold at least a game lead in conference play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2010, 10:52:01 PM

I was going to do a breakdown of the playoff race, but every team is still mathematically in the hunt, so I'll wait another couple days.  Maybe this weekend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 09, 2010, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 09, 2010, 10:52:01 PM

I was going to do a breakdown of the playoff race, but every team is still mathematically in the hunt, so I'll wait another couple days.  Maybe this weekend.

Yes and please.

I'm excited to hear more opinion on everything...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2010, 12:11:19 AM
I have to amend my previous statement.  NEC is mathematically eliminated.  Everyone else is still alive.

Gordon and Curry are the only two safely in right now.  UNE, WNEC, and WIT can clinch a spot with any one victory.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 10, 2010, 01:07:11 PM
GC
WIT
CC
UNE
WNEC
EC
CSC
NC
---------
AM
RW
RC
ENC
SRU
NEC

Tournament results are wide open as many predicted early in the season.  Those who want it most win it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 10, 2010, 05:46:01 PM
Quote from: witfan on February 10, 2010, 01:07:11 PM
GC
WIT
CC
UNE
WNEC
EC
CSC
NC
---------
AM
RW
RC
ENC
SRU
NEC

Tournament results are wide open as many predicted early in the season.  Those who want it most win it.



GC          9-1   
CC          8-2   
WNEC     7-3   
WIT        7-3
UNE       7-3
EC          5-5
CSC       5-5
NC         4-6
---------------------
AM        4-6
RC        4-6
RWU     3-7   
ENC      3-7
SRU      3-7
NEC      1-9

Wentworth lost last night to Nichols, so they should be in 4th place since they lost to WNEC but beat UNE.  Also, Endicott has the edge over Colby-Sawyer with a win over them.  I agree, still too early to predict anything
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on February 11, 2010, 11:07:31 AM
Sorry for the confusion.

My listing is a prediction of the standings following the final 3 conference games.  Any way you look at it the tournament match-ups will lead to some very exciting and close games, even at the 1-8 and 2-7 games.  Get your tickets early!

If the home team crowds show-up they very well could be the difference maker.

Student Leaders, Professors & Fans of the Show...Spread the Word, Games On!

And don't forget to support Pink this weekend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 11, 2010, 08:32:32 PM
Gordon travels to Bangor and avenges their Tuesday loss to Colby-Sawyer with a 14 point win over a decent Bates team.

78-64.

The win is a solid rebound off a difficult loss. The Fighting Scots travel to Springfield to take on 12-9 (7-3) WNEC on Saturday to cap off a taxing three-game road trip.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on February 11, 2010, 08:35:38 PM
Nice win for Gordon on the road against a Bates team who is 4th in the NESCAC coming off wins over Amherst and Trinity.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 11, 2010, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on February 11, 2010, 08:35:38 PM
Nice win for Gordon on the road against a Bates team who is 4th in the NESCAC coming off wins over Amherst and Trinity.

Not only are they coming off a win against Amherst... They beat the Lord Jeffs by 29 points!

I don't get it. I like to think I understand basketball... I can hold my own in pick'em leagues because I feel I can figure out who can win. Still, this season is proving to be as unpredictable for the entire DIII ranks as any I can remember.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on February 13, 2010, 06:26:44 PM
Gordon's 83-79 win over WNEC should clinch first place in TCCC and home field throughout the playoffs.  The only two teams that can tie the Scots conference record (Curry and Wentworth) have lost their head-to-head matchup with TCCC leaders unless their is some goofy tie breaker rule I am not aware of.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2010, 12:57:21 AM

Here's the rundown with two games remaining.

NEC was previously eliminated from playoff contention.

With today's results, RWU, ENC, and SRU were all eliminated from playoff contention leaving ten teams fighting for the eight playoff spots.

GC has clinched the conference and will be in first place no matter what.

WIT, CC, and UNE have all clinched spots.

WNEC, CSC, EC, and NC clinch with a win.


Believe it or not, a lot will be determined by the Regis-Nichols game Wednesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2010, 11:27:41 AM

Action tonight:

NEC at EC
RC @ NC
WIT @ CSC
RWU @ CC
ENC @ SRU
UNE @ GC
WNEC @ AMC

WNEC, CSC, EC, and NC all secure playoff spots with a win tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 17, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
Not too get too far ahead of you hoops- but I think you're missing something.

NC isn't simply in a win and in situation yet by my count.

If NC and AMC were both to win they would have identical records- then if Nichols lost to UNE on saturday and AMC beat Regis Nichols would be out.

A WNEC win AND a NC win would get NC in tonight
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2010, 02:34:46 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 17, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
Not too get too far ahead of you hoops- but I think you're missing something.

NC isn't simply in a win and in situation yet by my count.

If NC and AMC were both to win they would have identical records- then if Nichols lost to UNE on saturday and AMC beat Regis Nichols would be out.

You're right.  I went through all the possible tiebreakers and finishes.  I forgot about NC having 6 wins and everyone else having 7.  That is still possible.

Only WNEC, CSC, and EC are win and in tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 17, 2010, 08:11:50 PM
Nichols 62 - Regis 57

At the half, Wentworth 34 - CSC 25
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 17, 2010, 08:39:29 PM
At the half, Gordon after being down double digits leads UNE 25-24
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 17, 2010, 09:10:39 PM
Final:  Wentworth 84 - CSC 67
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2010, 09:30:43 PM

Endicott over NEC 73-60.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2010, 09:32:07 PM

I'll go back through all the placements once we get the full slate of scores.  It looks to be shaping up with a lot of scenarios.  Saturday should be fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 17, 2010, 09:41:22 PM
Gordon 64 - UNE 61
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2010, 09:49:34 PM

ENC's up 15 with 15 seconds left to play.  I'm going to go ahead and give it to them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2010, 09:59:12 PM

Curry beats Roger Williams 66-59.

AMC with a big win over WNEC 93-58.


I'm at work on the scenarios for Saturday.  Be with you shortly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2010, 10:57:59 PM
Schedule for Saturday:

SRU @ GC
WNEC @ CSC
AMC @ RC
RWU @ ENC
NEC @ WIT
EC @ CC
UNE @ NC

Playoff scenarios:

Gordon (11-1) is #1 no matter what.

Wentworth (9-3) and Curry (9-3) are #2 and #3 no matter what.  WIT is #2 with a win or a CC loss.  Curry is #2 with a win and a WIT loss.

WNEC, UNE and EC are all 7-5.  If they all win, a three-way tie for 4th breaks down: #4-UNE, #5-WNEC, #6-EC.  This is also the same order if any two tie at 8-5.

Here's where things get hairy.  We have the possibility for a six-way tie at 7-6 for five playoff spots.  If that happens: #4-CSC, #5-NC, #6-UNE, #7-EC, #8-AMC.  (This is the most confusing and the tiebreakers would be unclear in determining 4th and 5th.  I made a call that makes the most sense; hopefully we won't find ourselves in this scenario).  WNEC would be out in this scenario.

If UNE, NC, EC, and AMC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-WNEC), #5-EC, #6-NC, #7-UNE, #8-AMC.  CSC would be out in this scenario.

If WNEC, CSC, EC, and AMC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-UNE), #5-EC, #6-CSC, #7-WNEC, #8-AMC.  NC would be out in this scenario.

If WNEC, UNE, CSC, AMC, and NC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-EC), #5-CSC, #6-NC, #7-UNE, #8-AMC.  (This is the easiest tiebreaker to figure out.  If we're going to have one, hope it's this one.) WNEC would be out in this scenario.

If WNEC, CSC, and AMC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-UNE, #5-EC), #6-CSC, #7-AMC, #8-WNEC.

If UNE, NC, and AMC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-WNEC, #5-EC), #6-NC, #7-UNE, #8-AMC.

If the 7-5 teams (EC, WNEC, and UNE) all win (tiebreakers above) the picture below them looks like this:

An AMC win nets them #7, CSC would be #8.

If NC, CSC, AMC, and RC tie at 6-7 we get: #7-NC, #8-RC.  CSC and AMC would be out in this scenario.

Editted: I forgot one last scenario - an EC win and a four way tie at 7-6 between WNEC, UNE, CSC, and NC for the final four spots.  It pans out: #5-CSC, #6-NC, #7-UNE, #8-WNEC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 17, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
Great job Hoops Fans, appreciate the breakdown
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 17, 2010, 11:11:58 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 17, 2010, 10:57:59 PM

Schedule for Saturday:

SRU @ GC
WNEC @ CSC
AMC @ RC
RWU @ ENC
NEC @ WIT
EC @ CC
UNE @ NC

Playoff scenarios:

Gordon (11-1) is #1 no matter what.

Wentworth (9-3) and Curry (9-3) are #2 and #3 no matter what.  WIT is #2 with a win or a CC loss.  Curry is #2 with a win and a WIT loss.

WNEC, UNE and EC are all 7-5.  If they all win, a three-way tie for 4th breaks down: #4-UNE, #5-WNEC, #6-EC.  This is also the same order if any two tie at 8-5.

Here's where things get hairy.  We have the possibility for a six-way tie at 7-6 for five playoff spots.  If that happens: #4-CSC, #5-NC, #6-UNE, #7-EC, #8-AMC.  (This is the most confusing and the tiebreakers would be unclear in determining 4th and 5th.  I made a call that makes the most sense; hopefully we won't find ourselves in this scenario).  WNEC would be out in this scenario.

If UNE, NC, EC, and AMC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-WNEC), #5-EC, #6-NC, #7-UNE, #8-AMC.  CSC would be out in this scenario.

If WNEC, CSC, EC, and AMC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-UNE), #5-EC, #6-CSC, #7-WNEC, #8-AMC.  NC would be out in this scenario.

If WNEC, UNE, CSC, AMC, and NC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-EC), #5-CSC, #6-NC, #7-UNE, #8-AMC.  (This is the easiest tiebreaker to figure out.  If we're going to have one, hope it's this one.) WNEC would be out in this scenario.

If WNEC, CSC, and AMC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-UNE, #5-EC), #6-CSC, #7-AMC, #8-WNEC.

If UNE, NC, and AMC tie at 7-6 we get: (#4-WNEC, #5-EC), #6-NC, #7-UNE, #8-AMC.

If the 7-5 teams (EC, WNEC, and UNE) all win (tiebreakers above) the picture below them looks like this:

An AMC win nets them #7, CSC would be #8.

If NC, CSC, AMC, and RC tie at 6-7 we get: #7-NC, #8-RC.  CSC and AMC would be out in this scenario.

You are unprecedented. +k for you, sir.

With that said, what do you expect to happen? i.e. what's your predicted finish for everyone? (You're guaranteed at least one correct spot  ;) )
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 17, 2010, 11:32:26 PM
I know you weren't asking me, but here's my take . . .

#1 Gordon - They should handle Salve no problem.  Gordon looks solid all around and will be extremely tough to beat.  Now is the time for Aaron Trigg to rise to the great names of TCCC. (No disrespect to Brady Bajema either)

#2 Wentworth - I expect them to handle NEC on their senior night.  This team can burn you in so many areas, but we're never sure which area that will be.  They'll be tough to beat as well; I expect at least a second round appearance from these guys.

# 3 Curry - Endicott is their final game.  Guard dominant team, but with those guards, can't blame them.  For all the criticism we received in the past about not giving Marstrullo his credit, he had a great year and has to carry this team in the playoffs.  I still wouldn't be surprised to see them get knocked off in the first round but they could get hot and be in the championship game.

# 4 UNE - They know the value of home-court advantage and should beat Nichols on the road.  They've shown some inconsistency this season but are still very dangerous.  I predict a potential GC-UNE re-match.

# 5 WNEC

# 6 EC

# 7 Colby-Sawyer

# 8 Anna Maria


No point in me talking about teams I don't know a whole lot about.  EC has great size and good veteran leadership, but that's been there all year and they're still not that good.  Colby-Sawyer is the model of inconsistency, so who knows?  Anna Maria still has a tough game vs. Regis, but I'm giving them the benefit of doubt.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 17, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 17, 2010, 11:32:26 PM
I know you weren't asking me, but here's my take . . .

#1 Gordon - They should handle Salve no problem.  Gordon looks solid all around and will be extremely tough to beat.  Now is the time for Aaron Trigg to rise to the great names of TCCC. (No disrespect to Brady Bajema either)

#2 Wentworth - I expect them to handle NEC on their senior night.  This team can burn you in so many areas, but we're never sure which area that will be.  They'll be tough to beat as well; I expect at least a second round appearance from these guys.

# 3 Curry - Endicott is their final game.  Guard dominant team, but with those guards, can't blame them.  For all the criticism we received in the past about not giving Marstrullo his credit, he had a great year and has to carry this team in the playoffs.  I still wouldn't be surprised to see them get knocked off in the first round but they could get hot and be in the championship game.

# 4 UNE - They know the value of home-court advantage and should beat Nichols on the road.  They've shown some inconsistency this season but are still very dangerous.  I predict a potential GC-UNE re-match.

# 5 WNEC

# 6 EC

# 7 Colby-Sawyer

# 8 Anna Maria


No point in me talking about teams I don't know a whole lot about.  EC has great size and good veteran leadership, but that's been there all year and they're still not that good.  Colby-Sawyer is the model of inconsistency, so who knows?  Anna Maria still has a tough game vs. Regis, but I'm giving them the benefit of doubt.

Hey, it's alright. I appreciate discussion and I'll give ya +k for your efforts as well! (I'm feeling generous tonight)

I'm planning on putting together my stats posts for each team like I did last year. I just have to start pulling everything together and formatting it so the tables look nice and aesthetic.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2010, 11:47:04 PM
I see:

1-GC
2-WIT
3-CC
4-

This is where it gets tough.  I think Endicott wins and WNEC loses, but the UNE-NC game is hard to call.  It's at Nichols and both teams come in playing well.  Nichols only lost one home game all year - I have to go with Nichols.

That leaves either:

4-EC
5-CSC
6-NC
7-UNE
8-AMC

or, if AMC loses, it leaves the one scenario I forgot on my list:  A four way tie between WNEC, UNE, CSC, and NC for the final four spots.  It pans out:

5-CSC
6-NC
7-UNE
8-WNEC

It all comes down to AMC-Regis for me.  If AMC wins, they are guaranteed a spot somewhere.  If Regis wins, they need help.  I think AMC is the more consistent team and playing better right now, but Regis, at home, in a must-win is tough to pick against.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2010, 12:40:53 AM
Quote from: backboard on February 17, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
Great job Hoops Fans, appreciate the breakdown
Yes, +1!   :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 18, 2010, 08:25:56 PM
Wow.  Great job Hoops.  I'd throw you +1, but I don't see that option.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 18, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 18, 2010, 08:25:56 PM
Wow.  Great job Hoops.  I'd throw you +1, but I don't see that option.

That's something you achieve with 200 posts I believe
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 18, 2010, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 18, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 18, 2010, 08:25:56 PM
Wow.  Great job Hoops.  I'd throw you +1, but I don't see that option.

That's something you achieve with 200 posts I believe
I have a long way to go...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: whiteplainshoops on February 19, 2010, 09:47:03 AM
Good Morning All -- First time poster, long time reader.  I know it is playoff time in the CCC but I had a question regarding one of the bottom feeders, New England College.  I am an alum and a former player and I can not figure out for the life of me how a program is allowed to be so bad for so long.  No disrespect to the CCC but its not exactly a power conference in d3.  Why is is that a school in this conference can be the worst year to year.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 19, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: whiteplainshoops on February 19, 2010, 09:47:03 AM
No disrespect to the CCC but its not exactly a power conference in d3.  Why is is that a school in this conference can be the worst year to year.



This is a great question everyone else seems to get better over time NEC seems stuck.

Look at the following trajectories of NEC compared the other 2004-2005 bottom feeders:

NEC
04-05 12-14 (4-12)
05-06 10-15 (5-11)
06-07 10-15 (5-11)
07-08 7-18 (2-11)
08-09 5-20 (2-11)
Currently (1-11)

University Of New England
04-05 8-17 (4-12)
05-06 9-16 (5-11)
06-07 5-20 (5-11)
07-08 17-12 (9-4)
08-09 23-4 (12-1) League Champs
Currently (7-5)

Wentworth
04-05 6-18 (4-12)
05-06 10-16 (5-11)
06-07 17-12 (9-7) League Champs
07-08 14-11 (8-5)
08-09 10-15 (7-6)
Currently (9-3)

These teams were all in the same boat- UNE got a new coach and an influx of talent and won the league last year. Wentworth also built quickly and won a title and is still a tough out. NEC went the other way- not sure why but it's an interesting question.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 12:05:16 PM
Welcome to the board. Not that I have an answer to your question, but welcome. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 19, 2010, 01:18:02 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 19, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: whiteplainshoops on February 19, 2010, 09:47:03 AM
No disrespect to the CCC but its not exactly a power conference in d3.  Why is is that a school in this conference can be the worst year to year.



This is a great question everyone else seems to get better over time NEC seems stuck.

Look at the following trajectories of NEC compared the other 2004-2005 bottom feeders:

NEC
04-05 12-14 (4-12)
05-06 10-15 (5-11)
06-07 10-15 (5-11)
07-08 7-18 (2-11)
08-09 5-20 (2-11)
Currently (1-11)

University Of New England
04-05 8-17 (4-12)
05-06 9-16 (5-11)
06-07 5-20 (5-11)
07-08 17-12 (9-4)
08-09 23-4 (12-1) League Champs
Currently (7-5)

Wentworth
04-05 6-18 (4-12)
05-06 10-16 (5-11)
06-07 17-12 (9-7) League Champs
07-08 14-11 (8-5)
08-09 10-15 (7-6)
Currently (9-3)

These teams were all in the same boat- UNE got a new coach and an influx of talent and won the league last year. Wentworth also built quickly and won a title and is still a tough out. NEC went the other way- not sure why but it's an interesting question.



The problem seems pretty simple to me.  As with every college team, it starts with the coach.  I'm not up on my NEC history, but how long have they had the same coach?  If it's been more than 5 years, well it's certainly time for a change.  I understand that it's probably tough recruiting to a school in the middle of a small town along with less than average facilities, but that can't be the only thing holding them back.  I have to put some blame on the coaching staff as well as the AD.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 19, 2010, 01:25:45 PM
Just to correct myself here . . .

They have recruited some decent talent in the past (Ryan Jaziri, Pat Quinn) and other times they weren't able to hold on it (Tyler Evans, Kingsley Onyechi)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: whiteplainshoops on February 19, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
Hey guys --

Thanks for some of the feedback.  In looking back I played for the current coach in his 1st season and kind of chalked up his weaknesses (we lost like 8 guys between 1st and 2nd semester...) to it being his first year and trying to install his program.  I guess its more of the same up there.

Despite it being a small school/small town the place had some unique advantages that I cant believe dont help this coach in recruiting......at what point will an AD says enough is enough and look to make a change.  Its embarrasing that my frosh year (00-01, 10-16 record, 6 seed in conference playoffs) was one of the schools best in recent memory.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2010, 06:25:42 PM

You're the former student, you might be able to shed some light on some things.  My perception of NEC has been a school that put academics first, perhaps to the extent of looking down on athletics.  Obviously, if true, that could be a difficult scenario for keeping kids there or playing once they hit campus.

Again, maybe my perception is wrong, but it seems like NEC has done at least moderately well in other sports over the years.  Perhaps basketball is just something they haven't figured out.

I went to ENC, which has had a pretty rough 5-8 years of its own across the athletic department.  Things show signs of stabilizing, but it can take a very long time to recover from a down period.  If you throw in things like coaching turnover and less than competitive salaries - location or institutional issues - it can get even tougher.

In some places athletics is a prominent feature of institutional advancement and in others it can be an afterthought or a casualty.  Of course at the bottom of d3, making the assumption that a school is even worried about institutional advancement (as opposed to institutional survival) is not something one can take for granted.

This is also one of the big reasons we had all the talk about the CCC splitting up last year.  Clearly there is a disparity between the member schools in a number of the these areas.  Right now it seems like there is some level of commitment to each other, but it may not last forever.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on February 19, 2010, 07:57:50 PM
I think Hopps fan has hit on it.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but my perception of NEC, athletically, is strong in Ice Hockey and Field Hockey so it can't all be the school and location.  It seems like a basketball/coach issue.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2010, 05:01:21 PM

CSC over WNEC 95-86

WIT over NEC 79-61

CC over EC  86-77

GC over SRU 89-62

Nichols is up 25 on UNE with one minute to go - that's a Nichols win.

No score from ENC-RWU, but it doesn't affect the standings.

Last check from Regis-AMC is a three point AMC lead with 90 seconds remaining.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2010, 05:02:45 PM

So we've got: #1-GC, #2-WIT, #3-CC, - five teams, possibly six tied for fourth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2010, 05:11:15 PM

Right now:

#1-GC
#2-WIT
#3-CC
#4-CSC
#5-NC
#6-UNE
#7-EC

If AMC wins, they get #8, if AMC loses, WNEC gets #8.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
Tournament is:

#8 AMC/WNEC @ #1 GC

#5 NC @ #4 CSC

#6 UNE @ #3 CC

#7 EC @ #2 WIT


*Disclaimer:  I believe I have all the tiebreakers correct, but the official CCC announcement will, of course, be the official schedule for the tournament.*
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 20, 2010, 06:06:16 PM
Regis outlasted Anna Maria in double OT, 101-96.  Official pairings will be released later tonight, after the conference office breaks all of the ties.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2010, 06:06:53 PM
Regis pulls out the win in OT, saving WNEC and knocking AMC out of the playoffs.

I think we have:

#8 WNEC @ #1 GC

#5 NC @ #4 CSC

#6 UNE @ #3 CC

#7 EC @ #2 WIT

I can go through the tiebreaker process to see how you guys feel about my interpretation.

The first one is head to head among the group - CSC is the only team at 3-1, so they get the 4th seed.  That's easy.  Then we go back and do another head to head among the group without CSC involved.  Nichols and UNE are 2-1, EC is 1-2, WNEC is 0-3.

The official rules state, "In the event that three or more teams are tied, when one team wins a specific tiebreaker, the remaining tied teams will be treated as a "new" tie and the procedure will start over from step one."  I think this could mean, 1)if no team clearly wins a tiebreaker, move to the next one or 2)use the tiebreakers in order to determine a winner.

In our case, option one would have us move to the second tiebreaker with all four teams, option two would have us move to the second tiebreaker with just NC and UNE, since they both had the clear advantage in the first tiebreaker.

I chose option 2 for my matchups above - to me it seems the most fair and logical.  Neither team beat Gordon (#1), but Nichols did beat Wentworth (#2) while UNE did not.  I gave NC the #5 slot.

Then moving back to the head to heads without NC, we get UNE at 2-0, giving them the #6 spot.

Endicott beat WNEC, giving them #7 and #8 respectively.

I think this is how it will go, my only concern was the interpretation of that clause in the tiebreaker explanation.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 20, 2010, 08:06:46 PM
Official seedings:

1.) Gordon
2.) Wentworth
3.) Curry
4.) Colby-Sawyer
5.) Nichols
6.) UNE
7.) WNEC
8.) Endicott

EC @ GC
WNEC @ WIT
UNE @ CC
NC @ CSC

Release to come out later this evening with the explanation on how the five-way tie was broken.  I'll post the link when I get it.

All games are at 7:00.

I believe Gordon will have video and I know Wentworth will have live stats (shameless plug) as well as Curry and CSC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2010, 08:12:59 PM

That's right.  I did my numbers incorrectly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 20, 2010, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 20, 2010, 08:12:59 PM

That's right.  I did my numbers incorrectly.
I gave up figuring it out and waited for the text as I was driving home...

Link to release:  http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/News/mbball/2010/2/20/mbbtourn10.asp?path=mbball

QuoteGordon College has earned the top seed for The Commonwealth Coast Conference (TCCC) men's basketball championship, which begins with quarterfinal matchups on campus sites Tuesday.

The Fighting Scots (21-4 overall) captured the top seed in the conference tournament after compiling a league-best 12-1 record in TCCC play.

On Tuesday, Gordon will host #8 seed Endicott (12-12, 7-6), while #2 seed Wentworth (14-10, 10-3) will host #7 seed Western New England (12-13, 7-6), #3 seed Curry (13-12, 10-3) will host #6 seed University of New England (11-3, 7-6), and #4 seed Colby-Sawyer (14-11, 7-6) will host #5 seed Nichols (14-10, 7-6).

TCCC tiebreaking procedures were utilized to seed the two teams with identical 10-3 records -- Wentworth and Curry -- and the five teams with 7-6 conference records -- Colby-Sawyer, Nichols, University of New England (UNE),Western New England (WNEC) and Endicott.

In the lone conference matchup between the two 10-3 teams, Wentworth posted a victory, thus earning the #2 seed and giving Curry the #3 seed.

In conference games played among the five 7-6 teams, Colby-Sawyer compiled a 3-1 record, compared to a 2-2 mark for Nichols, UNE and Endicott, and a 1-3 record for WNEC. Colby-Sawyer earned the #4 seed, while the remaining four teams returned to step one.

Of the four remaining teams, Nichols and UNE both posted 2-1 records in games played among that quartet, compared to 1-2 for WNEC and Endicott. Nichols and UNE returned to step one, with Nichols earning the #5 seed as a result of a win over UNE in the teams' lone conference matchup. UNE, WNEC and Endicott returned to step one.

Of the three remaining teams, UNE posted a 2-0 record, while WNEC went 1-1 and Endicott was 0-2. This earned UNE the #6 seed.

Remaining teams WNEC and Endicott went back to step one, with WNEC claiming the #7 seed by virtue of a victory over Endicott in the teams' lone conference game. Endicott received the #8 seed.

All four quarterfinal games are scheduled to begin at 7:00 p.m.

Quarterfinal winners will advance to the semifinal round which will be played on Thursday, February 25 at the sites of the higher seed. Games are scheduled to begin at 7:00 p.m., but may be altered in the event that one institution hosts both a men's and a women's contest.

Semifinal winners will square off for the conference championship on Saturday, February 27 at 7:00 p.m. at the site of the higher seed.

2010 TCCC MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE

Quarterfinals • Tuesday, February 23
#8 Endicott (12-12, 7-6) at #1 Gordon (21-4, 12-1), 7:00 p.m.
#7 Western New England (12-13, 7-6) at #2 Wentworth (14-10, 10-3), 7:00 p.m.
#6 University of New England (11-3, 7-6) at #3 Curry (13-12, 10-3), 7:00 p.m.
#5 Nichols (14-10, 7-6) at #4 Colby-Sawyer (14-11, 7-6), 7:00 p.m.

Semifinals • Thursday, February 25
#1/8 winner vs. #4/5 winner, 7:00 p.m. (at higher seed)
#2/7 winner vs. #3/6 winner, 7:00 p.m. (at higher seed)
Times subject to change in the event of a men's/women's doubleheader

Championship Game • Saturday, February 27
Semifinal Winners, 7:00 p.m. (at higher seed)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 21, 2010, 09:55:18 AM
Finally the dust has settled, blah blah blah . . .

#1 Gordon vs. #8 Endicott
Nothing better than the conference's top rivalry despite the fact that Endicott has fallen from the elite of TCCC.  Endicott has a win at Gordon already this season, but that was very early in the year.  In that game, EC jumped out to a large lead and was able to hold on down the stretch.  In the second meeting, Gordon dominated on the glass and held a significant advantage at the free throw line but still only won by 9 points.  
Gordon has plenty of experience (5 seniors) and Endicott was absent from the playoffs last year.  EC still has some guys will valuable experience such as Bobby Montrond and Graham Whitelaw; they both need to play their best to give EC a chance.  Endicott has plenty of size and will need to use that to their advantage on the boards.
Bottom line, in their two matchups this season EC had no answer for Aaron Trigg.  My guess is that he's going to be Player of the Year on the merit that he's the best player on the best team in the league.  (Interestingly enough, he never won Player of the Week honors this season but won it three times last season.  Todd Doyle, who was the better player, won the award once and walked away with the POY award.)
Gordon by 5.

#2 Wentworth vs. #7 Western New England College
WNEC limps into the playoffs losing 4 straight and really only beat the bottom feeders in the league despite 1 victory.  That W came on the road against Wentworth.  I don't expect the same result this time.  The major issue for the Golden Bears is their defense.  They've given up more than 90 points on 9 occasions this season, including in their last two games (vs. Anna Maria and CSC).  Wentworth has been playing great lately.  Unlike the past 4 years, there are no superstars on this team.  They play very unselfishly and possess a balanced offensive attack.
WNEC is led by a very solid and under-rated PG in Rick Johnson.  In their regular season matchup, he poured in 18 points in 27 minutes.  WNEC has some big guards that may also pose a problem for Wentworth; Andre Shaw and Chris Devine are capable of having a big night.  On the other hand, Wentworth has a very large tandem of forwards: 6'11'', 6'6'' (off the bench), and 6'5''.  This gives them the advantage of playing a strong inside/out game and making things difficult for their opponents.  They had 5 guys average 8-11 points this season, so it's clear that they're very balanced.
Wentworth by 10.

# 3 Curry vs. #6 University of New England
This year's winner of "the team you wouldn't want to face in the first round" goes to UNE.  (Obviously no one wants to face Gordon in the first round, but this award goes on a different merit.)  Curry pulled off the victory on the road vs. UNE earlier in the season.  UNE was in command during that game but allowed Curry to score 30 points in the last 8 minutes.
Both teams are similar in that they depend on their strong guard play.  UNE has no size and couldn't care less.  Their guards are very strong and don't mind doing the dirty work.  They love to force their opponents to play at a tempo they're not used to with a quick press and love running on the offensive end.  The second half addition of Anthony Coleman has helped them deal with the loss of Victor Oruonyehu.
Surprisingly, Curry is not led by Mark Mastrullo this season.  He's still capable of scoring in bunches, but the guy who really runs this team is Jarrell Jackson (their leading scorer and assist man).  I don't know what happened to A.J. Stephens, but they would be a lot more dangerous if he were still there.  Rodney Bennett (6'8'') should be able to have his way on the boards.
Both teams are similar in that they depend on their guard's speed and strength.  I expect a close contest.
(On a side note, UNE just lost by 24 without Quentin Thompson and there's no reasoning for why he didn't play.)
Curry by 2-3.

# 4 Colby-Sawyer vs. # 5 Nichols
Both teams were the model of inconsistency this season, but CSC really defined it.  They were the only team stopping Gordon from going undefeated in conference play but also dropped games to Salve and RWU.  They're led by senior forward Jon Chaloux, freshman Jason Chevrefils, and senior Dave Rosso.  The 3 combined to score 60 of the 82 points in the CSC victory over Nichols earlier in the season 82 – 73.  They have arguably the best coach in the conference and I expect him to have his team ready to play come Tuesday.
Nichols has been disappointing this season in my mind.  Having seen 10 games last year, I came into this season expecting them to take the next step to a top team.  Chris Paquin, Ryan Wilcox, and Bryan Riley are main components and very experienced.  Pete Atkins came into this season with high expectations but was never able to get it together.  In the few contests I saw this season, it seemed like he was being held back.  They struggled this season but have won their last 4 going into the playoffs.
Nichols by 6.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 21, 2010, 06:04:28 PM
It looks like every game should be a good one.  Are there any predictions out there?

Here are my picks:

Gordon
WNEC
Curry
Nichols
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2010, 07:02:01 PM
Wentworth is the only one I feel good about; WNEC is done - they packed it in a few weeks ago.

I believe in Nichols, but they've been less than stellar on the road and CSC is a tough place to play in February.  I'd lean towards NC here, but you never know.

Gordon is obviously the favorite, but records generally go out the window with rivalry games like this.

UNE matches up perfectly with Curry in that Curry can be goaded into the sort of mistakes on which UNE thrives.  However, if I've learned one thing over the last few years in the CCC it's that Malcolm Wynn's guys show up for the playoffs.  His CC teams have consistently improved on their regular season play every year.  That's my pick, but I expect an exciting game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 22, 2010, 09:29:32 AM
Endicott at Gordon is a rivalry game so you throw out the records and it is their third meeting. I like Gordon by 3

Nichols at Colby-Sawyer. Nichols needed a flurry to get into the playoffs- I think they are out of gas plus that is a very tough place to play. Colby Sawyer by 11

UNE at Curry pound the over in this game. I think Curry is the best possible first round opponent for UNE but I'm not sure Mastrullo lets them lose. I'm going with Curry by 6

WNEC at Wentworth is the most interesting game. I honestly think if Wentworth gets by this they can win the whole thing- but I think WNEC is the perfect team to come in and beat them. This should be a one possession game WNEC by 1
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2010, 04:41:10 PM
In commemoration of the upcoming CCC tournament, here is the first of the team statistics that prove to be of some help when prognosticating what might happen. I chose to include those players on the team that have averaged double-digit minutes. Yes, this will exclude a few individuals, but it should provide a good snapshot of the productivity of the large part of the team.

Gordon College - Fighting Scots - 21-4 (12-1)




 

 
 
 
   
   
   
 
 
Player NamePositionAvg. Min.PPGFGFG Att.FG %3 Pt. FG3 Pt. FG Att.3 Pt. FG %FTFT Att.FT %Reb./GameAssist/TO
Aaron Trigg
G
32.6
17.5
139
319
0.436
50
139
0.360
109
139
0.784
3.9
1.02
Brady Bajema
G
31.6
13.6
102
203
0.502
55
111
0.495
81
94
0.862
3.8
1.27
Austin Bentson
G
18.6
3.6
26
85
0.306
12
45
0.267
26
36
0.722
3.0
1.11
Greg Walker
F
25.4
12.0
135
258
0.523
0
0
-
31
53
0.585
5.2
0.54
Ben Gaskill
F
27.8
6.5
61
108
0.565
0
0
-
40
72
0.556
9.2
0.69
David Dempsey
F
18.7
6.4
62
132
0.470
0
6
0.000
37
59
0.627
4.4
0.89
Jeff Derr
F
16.9
5.6
45
97
0.464
8
21
0.381
43
60
0.717
4.4
0.95
Tim MacDonnell
G
15.5
2.3
14
46
0.304
10
26
0.385
20
27
0.741
1.8
0.71

The others will follow later on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 22, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
I like Endicott in the big upset, it's a rivalry game and that gym will be basically even so no real homecourt advantage that Gordon always enjoys.

WNEC is dead in the water so I'm picking Wentworth and their dangerous big guys

UNE over Curry in another close one both are guard heavy teams that will play each other tough

CSC over Nichols if I have anything to say about it that gym will be as rocking as possible

Not that my picks matter but this should be a great first round.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2010, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on February 22, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
I like Endicott in the big upset, it's a rivalry game and that gym will be basically even so no real homecourt advantage that Gordon always enjoys.

Gordon is very good at making sure the visiting team doesn't get the upper hand in the crowd noise department.  I imagine we may see a lot of early arriving GC fans and a handy fire marshall watching the body count in the gym.  Then again, perhaps the new AD is not as crafty as the previous administration.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 22, 2010, 09:03:46 PM
It will be very interesting to see how Gordon does this week.  As many games as Mike Schauer won at Gordon, his playoff record was only 4-7 with no conference championships or conference championship appearances (4-10 if you count Gordon's ECAC tournament loss to Keene State in 2003 and their NCAA tournament loss to Utica in 2006).  We'll see what Tod Murphy is made of.

SIDE NOTE: Gordon has never won the CCC before since entering in the 1990's.  The only conference titles they have are the Interseminary League in 1930, the New England Seminary League in 1943, and the North Atlantic Christian Conference in 1960, 1961 and 1962 (not that anyone cares). 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 22, 2010, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 22, 2010, 09:03:46 PM
It will be very interesting to see how Gordon does this week.  As many games as Mike Schauer won at Gordon, his playoff record was only 4-7 with no conference championships or conference championship appearances (4-10 if you count Gordon's ECAC tournament loss to Keene State in 2003 and their NCAA tournament loss to Utica in 2006).  We'll see what Tod Murphy is made of.

SIDE NOTE: Gordon has never won the CCC before since entering in the 1990's.  The only conference titles they have are the Interseminary League in 1930, the New England Seminary League in 1943, and the North Atlantic Christian Conference in 1960, 1961 and 1962 (not that anyone cares). 

correction: (4-9 if you count Gordon's ECAC tournament loss...)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 22, 2010, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 22, 2010, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on February 22, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
I like Endicott in the big upset, it's a rivalry game and that gym will be basically even so no real homecourt advantage that Gordon always enjoys.

Gordon is very good at making sure the visiting team doesn't get the upper hand in the crowd noise department.  I imagine we may see a lot of early arriving GC fans and a handy fire marshall watching the body count in the gym.  Then again, perhaps the new AD is not as crafty as the previous administration.

I've personally witnessed games where Gordon's crowd barely 'out-volumed' their opponents fans.  You're absolutely right though, expect the GC fans to get there early.  That would be a huge advantage if their opponent wasn't 5 miles down the road.  EC fans are the most rambunctious group in TCCC.  They won't be out done in this one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2010, 09:33:20 PM
Curry College - Colonels - 13-12 (10-3)




 

 
 
   
   
   
 
 
Player NamePositionAvg. Min.PPGFGFG Att.FG %3 Pt. FG3 Pt. FG Att.3 Pt. FG %FTFT Att.FT %Reb./GameAssist/TO
Jarrell Jackson
G
32.9
18.7
95
208
0.457
14
46
0.304
58
77
0.753
3.9
1.29
Mark Mastrullo
G
36.5
16.4
135
351
0.385
64
206
0.311
76
96
0.792
2.7
0.759
Philippe Jourdain
F
34.3
12.0
108
234
0.462
13
43
0.302
58
111
0.523
5.5
0.744
Rodney Bennett
F
27.2
9.7
74
140
0.529
5
14
0.357
31
48
0.646
6.4
0.50
Chris Bonadies
F
21.7
6.2
64
124
0.516
0
1
0.000
27
37
0.730
5.4
0.4
Michael Worrick
G
26.3
6.0
60
125
0.480
20
67
0.299
10
20
0.500
3.1
1.5
Michael Connery
G
11.6
1.9
17
57
0.298
8
44
0.182
6
14
0.429
1.0
0.47
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
Wentworth Institute of Technology - Leopards - 14-10 (10-3)




 

 
 
   
   
   
 
 
 
Player NamePositionAvg. Min.PPGFGFG Att.FG %3 Pt. FG3 Pt. FG Att.3 Pt. FG %FTFT Att.FT %Reb./GameAssist/TO
Sam Herrick
F
24.1
11.6
100
201
0.498
1
2
0.500
77
106
0.726
9.2
0.60
Shane West
F
29.2
9.9
93
155
0.600
0
0
-
51
91
0.560
6.8
1.23
Matt Abbot
F
20.3
9.7
89
152
0.586
0
6
0.000
54
73
0.740
7.1
0.507
Brendan Monteiro
G
22.7
9.4
84
218
0.385
13
50
0.260
44
60
0.733
2.1
0.443
Adam Dombrowski
G
25.0
9.3
78
198
0.394
43
115
0.374
16
24
0.667
3.3
0.667
Eric Prue
G
12.9
3.7
29
73
0.397
19
54
0.352
12
15
0.800
1.4
1.03
Keenan Burke-Pitts
G
13.5
3.0
18
52
0.346
9
34
0.265
28
31
0.903
1.5
0.735
Corey Therriault
G
20.2
6.0
46
101
0.455
23
59
0.390
17
25
0.680
2.9
1.41
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2010, 10:47:04 PM
Colby-Sawyer - Chargers - 14-11 (7-6)




 

 
 
   
   
   
 
 
 
Player NamePositionAvg. Min.PPGFGFG Att.FG %3 Pt. FG3 Pt. FG Att.3 Pt. FG %FTFT Att.FT %Reb./GameAssist/TO
Jon Chaloux
G
28.8
17.9
150
346
0.434
44
118
0.373
103
124
0.831
6.8
0.811
Jason Chevrefils
F
30.0
14.0
127
263
0.483
0
0
-
95
159
0.597
5.8
0.521
David Rosso
G
29.3
11.8
98
235
0.417
47
120
0.392
39
53
0.736
3.3
1.05
Will Bardaglio
G
33.0
11.2
90
229
0.393
75
184
0.408
24
31
0.774
2.8
0.938
Corey Willis
G
30.8
6.7
48
168
0.286
15
71
0.211
56
80
0.700
2.6
1.71
James Tobin
F
19.0
5.0
50
97
0.515
8
25
0.320
18
33
0.545
4.4
1.07
Chrispatrick Cox
F
14.7
5.0
52
81
0.642
0
0
-
21
36
0.583
3.5
0.619
Zach McBey
G
11.2
4.3
39
102
0.382
17
47
0.362
12
16
0.750
2.3
0.481
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2010, 11:02:29 PM
Nichols College - Bison - 14-10 (7-6)




 

 
 
   
   
   
 
 
 
Player NamePositionAvg. Min.PPGFGFG Att.FG %3 Pt. FG3 Pt. FG Att.3 Pt. FG %FTFT Att.FT %Reb./GameAssist/TO
Pete Atkins
F
23.4
13.0
89
201
0.443
34
87
0.391
73
94
0.777
5.2
0.216
Ryan Wilcox
F
24.7
12.9
102
186
0.548
14
38
0.368
66
94
0.702
4.8
0.647
Bryan Riley
G
30.9
12.8
94
206
0.456
6
22
0.273
114
153
0.745
3.8
1.0
Chris Paquin
G
33.9
12.8
95
230
0.413
59
158
0.373
58
77
0.753
5.8
1.05
Kyle Mascilak
F
21.0
8.1
72
151
0.477
12
31
0.387
39
53
0.736
4.1
0.352
Justin Kuntz
G
18.4
4.5
40
118
0.339
14
44
0.318
14
28
0.500
2.0
0.625
Michael Salis
G
19.0
3.5
26
62
0.419
3
7
0.429
29
40
0.725
3.1
0.1.167
Justin Aldrich
G
13.9
2.5
19
60
0.317
6
23
0.261
17
28
0.607
1.8
0.816
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 22, 2010, 11:12:33 PM
Although I like Gordon in the playoffs, their road could be one of the most difficult ones I can remember for a #1 seed.  First round against EC (their biggest rival today) and then possibly CSC (we have all seen how up and down they have been this year but they are always a tough out).  If Gordon gets through those two games I hope they do not have a let down in the Championship game.  

The reason why I like Gordon's chances in the playoff is their size.  They have been much better this year on the boards.  If they can stop having bad starts they should be able to deal with the pressure of being the #1.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2010, 11:22:02 PM
University of New England - Nor'easters - 11-13 (7-6)




 

 
 
   
   
   
 
 
Player NamePositionAvg. Min.PPGFGFG Att.FG %3 Pt. FG3 Pt. FG Att.3 Pt. FG %FTFT Att.FT %Reb./GameAssist/TO
Anthony Johnson
G
27.4
14.5
107
249
0.430
28
94
0.298
62
113
0.549
5.0
0.549
Quentin Thompson
F
27.4
11.3
80
193
0.415
23
81
0.284
54
89
0.607
7.9
1.05
Kadare Brown
G
27.5
9.5
62
178
0.348
40
118
0.339
46
69
0.667
3.7
1.18
Marcus Winn
G
20.8
9.0
66
194
0.340
51
157
0.325
32
47
0.681
1.0
0.507
Ryan Knotek
F
20.0
3.1
24
63
0.381
10
35
0.286
16
32
0.500
3.3
0.375
Franco Foti
G
14.0
2.9
19
51
0.373
5
20
0.250
17
35
0.486
1.4
0.678
Travis Guerrette
G
10.3
1.3
10
39
0.256
5
26
0.192
6
8
0.750
1.5
0.826
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 22, 2010, 11:35:47 PM
Western New England College - Golden Bears - 12-13 (7-6)




 

 
 
   
   
   
 
 
Player NamePositionAvg. Min.PPGFGFG Att.FG %3 Pt. FG3 Pt. FG Att.3 Pt. FG %FTFT Att.FT %Reb./GameAssist/TO
Rick Johnson
G
29.2
16.8
148
312
0.474
21
73
0.288
102
149
0.685
4.1
1.22
Andre Shaw
G
25.8
15.0
140
294
0.476
52
156
0.333
42
60
0.700
1.8
1.13
Brendan Murphy
F
26.7
10.5
95
212
0.448
38
99
0.384
34
49
0.694
4.3
0.776
Chris Divine
G
27.0
9.7
95
204
0.466
13
51
0.255
40
60
0.667
5.8
0.942
Brad Thomka
F
25.4
9.2
77
176
0.438
0
2
0.000
67
92
0.728
6.4
0.554
Mike Booker
F
29.1
7.9
68
136
0.500
11
30
0.367
27
46
0.587
5.0
1.37
Andre Duncan
G
19.6
4.9
45
97
0.464
13
32
0.406
19
28
0.679
3.5
1.32
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gogordon11 on February 22, 2010, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 22, 2010, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 22, 2010, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on February 22, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
I like Endicott in the big upset, it's a rivalry game and that gym will be basically even so no real homecourt advantage that Gordon always enjoys.

Gordon is very good at making sure the visiting team doesn't get the upper hand in the crowd noise department.  I imagine we may see a lot of early arriving GC fans and a handy fire marshall watching the body count in the gym.  Then again, perhaps the new AD is not as crafty as the previous administration.

I've personally witnessed games where Gordon's crowd barely 'out-volumed' their opponents fans.  You're absolutely right though, expect the GC fans to get there early.  That would be a huge advantage if their opponent wasn't 5 miles down the road.  EC fans are the most rambunctious group in TCCC.  They won't be out done in this one.
the pit might be a bit smaller this year, but we still get it together for endicott. we were louder than endicott's fans AT endicott this year, so forget about the bennett center being a neutral site.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2010, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: gogordon11 on February 22, 2010, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 22, 2010, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 22, 2010, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on February 22, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
I like Endicott in the big upset, it's a rivalry game and that gym will be basically even so no real homecourt advantage that Gordon always enjoys.

Gordon is very good at making sure the visiting team doesn't get the upper hand in the crowd noise department.  I imagine we may see a lot of early arriving GC fans and a handy fire marshall watching the body count in the gym.  Then again, perhaps the new AD is not as crafty as the previous administration.

I've personally witnessed games where Gordon's crowd barely 'out-volumed' their opponents fans.  You're absolutely right though, expect the GC fans to get there early.  That would be a huge advantage if their opponent wasn't 5 miles down the road.  EC fans are the most rambunctious group in TCCC.  They won't be out done in this one.
the pit might be a bit smaller this year, but we still get it together for endicott. we were louder than endicott's fans AT endicott this year, so forget about the bennett center being a neutral site.

I have no doubts that both sides will be well-represented. Still, Gordon has a knack for just making it absolute chaos for Endicott in terms of noise.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2010, 12:07:36 AM
I apologize for spamming the board. I just felt it was pertinent and interesting to see the respective stats for each team. I know I skipped Endicott, but I've got an early morning tomorrow and I just didn't have time.

But here is a final table depicting the overall stats for each team. Endicott appears to have no reason to be so low on the totem poll... But the tie-breakers had a large effect in seeding.




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Avg. Pt MarginFG %Opp FG%3PT%Opp 3PT%FT%Opp FT%Reb MarginAssist/TOOpp Assist/TOSteals/Game
Gordon10.746.1%38.0%37.4%31.4%71.5%64.9%12.10.870.735.28
WIT4.545.3%41.1%33.5%30.3%68.2%63.6%9.20.770.945.5
Curry-0.245.4%43.0%30.0%33.0%66.6%64.1%-4.80.710.7410.1
CSC1.342.7%45.8%35.3%32.3%69.4%71.1%-1.61.00.848.64
Nichols0.643.2%42.3%35.0%35.2%70.9%65.5%1.40.720.878.33
UNE-1.937.1%47.4%29.9%30.0%58.9%68.6%-6.90.690.6411.33
WNEC-0.946.1%41.8%33.9%32.6%65.6%70.1%-5.60.930.988.99
Endicott0.242.1%41.0%33.6%32.5%66.7%67.4%-10.800.709.75
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 23, 2010, 10:37:44 AM
All-conference teams announced:

http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/sports/releases0910/alltcccmbb10.pdf
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2010, 11:51:48 AM
Thanks a lot Bill
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 12:09:03 PM

Six players on the first team, six on the second team, and seven on the third team.  Way to go CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2010, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 23, 2010, 12:09:03 PM

Six players on the first team, six on the second team, and seven on the third team.  Way to go CCC.
That 6th player really helps if he is a defensive specialist.  You can always double-team the player with the ball.  ;)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2010, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2010, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 23, 2010, 12:09:03 PM

Six players on the first team, six on the second team, and seven on the third team.  Way to go CCC.
That 6th player really helps if he is a defensive specialist.  You can always double-team the player with the ball.  ;)

Unless they're facing that Third Team with seven players. The one guy can just stand under the post and draw charges the whole game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 23, 2010, 02:28:54 PM
So there's a third team instead of honorable mention now?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on February 23, 2010, 05:46:04 PM
How does one of the Defensive Players of the Year not get on the list as first , second or honorable mention?  Good Luck tonight to everyone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2010, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: akirk on February 23, 2010, 05:46:04 PM
How does one of the Defensive Players of the Year not get on the list as first , second or honorable mention?  Good Luck tonight to everyone.

Where you referring to Brady Bajema who made First Team or Quentin Thompson who made the Third Team?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2010, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 23, 2010, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: akirk on February 23, 2010, 05:46:04 PM
How does one of the Defensive Players of the Year not get on the list as first , second or honorable mention?  Good Luck tonight to everyone.

Where you referring to Brady Bajema who made First Team or Quentin Thompson who made the Third Team?

I think he was referring to Ben Gaskill who was co-defensive POY but not named elsewhere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
My apologies, I read it incorrectly
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 07:57:04 PM

WIT up 15 early in the second half. 

I've been watching the Gordon video feed for the first few minutes of the second half.  GC has a ten point lead, but these refs are incredibly inconsistent.  They let four or five fouls in a row go uncalled, then started calling touch fouls, then backing off again.  Officiating like that in a rivalry game can lead to crazy results.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 08:10:54 PM

Ten minutes to go.  Gordon is up 16.  WIT over WNEC by just one.

GC is rebounding well, but not boxing out at all.  It's tough to know whether they're not playing as aggressively because they're off or because they don't have to tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 08:19:59 PM

Gordon's up 27 with six minutes to go.  WNEC leads by 1 with five to play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 08:32:19 PM

GC bench is empty.  90 seconds to go; 27 point lead.

WIT up 4 with 45 seconds left.

CSC up ten with ten to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 08:34:48 PM

GC wins by 20.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 08:36:43 PM

Curry and WIT both lead by 2 with under ten seconds to play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 08:39:15 PM

WIT pulls it out 84-82.  24 and 10 from Shane West.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 08:42:14 PM

Curry pulls out the 79-73 victory over UNE.  Quentin Thompson did all he could scoring 12, with 15 boards, 5 steals and 2 assists, but it was not enough.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 23, 2010, 08:43:32 PM
Colby-Sawyer up 12. 70-58 with five-and-a-half left in the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 23, 2010, 08:51:33 PM
Gordon wins over Endicott 73-52
Wentworth wins over WNEC 84-82
Curry wins over UNE 79-73
Colby-Sawyer winning over 77-63 with 4:00 to play (I'll give it to them)

Gordon needs to come ready to play the hardest they ever have against CSC.  Colby-Sawyer ended Gordon's season in 2006 when Gordon was 15-1 in the conference (they beat them handily too).  They also handed Gordon their only conference loss this year.  Bill Foti knows how to limit Gordon offensively.  In my opinion this is Gordon's biggest game in the history of the program.  They need to break their postseason curse and win their first TCCC championship.  If they can't do it this year, they probably never will. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2010, 08:54:44 PM

CSC up 16 with a minute to go.  It looks like all the seeds have held.  Two good match-ups for the semifinals.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2010, 09:18:21 PM
Seems like there were a couple good games tonight.  I'm done under-estimating Gordon this season.  Looking forward to their live feed on Saturday
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 23, 2010, 09:41:13 PM
They won't have a live feed Saturday if they can't beat the Chargers Thursday!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 23, 2010, 10:14:44 PM
Will the Charger faithful be making the trip?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 23, 2010, 11:49:23 PM
I'm doing my best to rally the troops hopefully the snow that will be blanketing the region for the next couple days won't deter the efforts but I will walk there if I have to
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2010, 10:42:09 AM
If Gordon is to beat down another ghost of the past and come away with a win against CSC, they're going to have to shut down Chaloux. The impact he has on the Chargers is ridiculous. Brady Bajema will have to play the same type of defense against Chaloux that he did last night against Graham Whitelaw.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 24, 2010, 10:56:49 AM
As well..I think that Bajema and Trigg will need to show up..last game against CSC they had somewhere in the range of 10-12 points combined
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2010, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on February 24, 2010, 10:56:49 AM
As well..I think that Bajema and Trigg will need to show up..last game against CSC they had somewhere in the range of 10-12 points combined

That is quite true. As has been mentioned, CSC always finds a way to stymie the Gordon offense. However, I feel that the Scots are more versatile this campaign compared to previous years. Greg Walker and David Dempsey will make their mark on this game one way or another.

Additionally, I think it's pertinent to mention the ability for first-year Head Coach Todd Murphy to adapt. He makes quality adjustments during games. Last night, Gordon and Endicott were battling their way to a stale-mate heading into the break (despite the 10-12 point lead). Coming out of halftime, Gordon went on a 13 point run. He finds ways to break a gameplan of an opposing team down. I think he'll find a way to get his players looks at the basket on Thursday night against a team that really shut them down in New London a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2010, 12:30:27 PM

You're looking at the two best perimeter defensive teams in the conference going head to head in the playoffs.  It's going to be an interesting matchup.  Conceivably we could see a final score below 100 combined points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 24, 2010, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on February 23, 2010, 09:41:13 PM
They won't have a live feed Saturday if they can't beat the Chargers Thursday!

All this talk about a CSC upset is nice.  I realize CSC dealt the Scots their only conference loss of the year, and that back in 2006 the Chargers upset the then 15-1 Scots in the semi-finals, but to borrow a phrase from Rick Pitino, "can you leave me the keys to the restaurant I'll lock it up."  Wait wrong quote, the one I was looking for is "Andrew St. Clair aint walking through that door." (At least not as a player).  That 2006 game might as well have ended when he dunked in the lane 2 minutes in.

I have to give the edge to GC based entirely on their vastly improved rebounding over years past.  I have watched 90% of their home games via the web-cast.  There was a point in this season when I was nervous about the number of turnovers they were making (they were averaging 20+ for while, including 21 at CSC) but that seems to be cured.  Foti is obviously a good coach and will make this game close, but this GC team seems to know what it takes to win games, I like GC by 6.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: whiteplainshoops on February 24, 2010, 05:11:21 PM
As someone who played against St. Clair I can attest that he was nasty.  A double double machine who could intimidate.  Im not so sure Colby Sawyer has anyone quite like that this year. 

If this game was played at The Colby Sawyer mosoleum of a gym I could understand all the upset talk.  Just dont think it can happen at home against a Gordon team who statistically stands out (Thanks Scout, sorry I havent seen any webcasts).  Assuming Gordon wins the Conference, what are everyones thoughts on their chances of winning a couple in the NCAA, they are ranked rather high in the NCAAs Northeast Regional ranks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2010, 05:56:22 PM
We all have our alliances when it comes to certain teams in TCCC, but I think we can all agree that we support the conference champion going forward into the tournament.  That being said, I can't imagine any CCC team winning 2 games in the NCAA tournament.  I don't know when the last time a team from our conference won a game (perhaps HoopsFan or Bill Gorman can enlighten us), but I don't see it happening this year.  1 game maybe, but not 2
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2010, 12:30:27 PM

You're looking at the two best perimeter defensive teams in the conference going head to head in the playoffs.  It's going to be an interesting matchup.  Conceivably we could see a final score below 100 combined points.

Is this based on Tuesday's performance, or the overall conference stats?  Just took a look at the conference stats and CSC gives up a pretty good pecentage



3-POINT FG PCT DEFENSE
## Team                            G          FG        FGA        Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.U. of New England...      13        58        208        .279
2.Anna Maria..........          13        70        248        .282
3.Wentworth...........         13        68        239        .285
4.Eastern Nazarene....     13        77        258        .298
5.Curry...............              13       105       340        .309
6.New England College.   13        74        239        .310
7.Regis...............              13        80        251        .319
8.Gordon..............            13        83        255        .325
9.WNEC                           13       103       310         .332
10.Nichols.............            13        93        275         .338
11.Colby-Sawyer........      13        87        254         .343
12.Roger Williams......       13        72        208         .346
13.Endicott............           13       100       281         .356
14.Salve Regina........        13       89        249  .       .357
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 24, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2010, 12:30:27 PM

You're looking at the two best perimeter defensive teams in the conference going head to head in the playoffs.  It's going to be an interesting matchup.  Conceivably we could see a final score below 100 combined points.

Is this based on Tuesday's performance, or the overall conference stats?  Just took a look at the conference stats and CSC gives up a pretty good pecentage.

It's more based on reputation and a little hyperbole.  Foti has a reputation for lock down perimeter defense, forcing the ball inside where he usually has an advantage.  This CSC team is clearly not at the level of others in previous year, but they've shown flashes when they're on - I expect them to be on tomorrow.

For Gordon it's been more of a match-up issue.  I haven't seen too many of their games, but from last night it certainly appeared that they'd rather dent the entry pass and force the ball handler to create a shot on his own.  Either way, they were really focused on the perimeter (and effectively as EC's 21 first half points attests).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2010, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 24, 2010, 05:56:22 PM
We all have our alliances when it comes to certain teams in TCCC, but I think we can all agree that we support the conference champion going forward into the tournament.  That being said, I can't imagine any CCC team winning 2 games in the NCAA tournament.  I don't know when the last time a team from our conference won a game (perhaps HoopsFan or Bill Gorman can enlighten us), but I don't see it happening this year.  1 game maybe, but not 2

Anna Maria won two games in 1996, defeating Babson in the first round 111-90 and defeating Salem State in the second round 74-67.  They lost to Richard Stockton in the sweet sixteen 95-88.  If you ever go to a game at AMC, nearly every record they have was set by someone on that team.

Back then the CCC didn't have an automatic bid and bids in general were pretty hard to come by for teams from small conferences.  Most of the time the CCC champ was happy to end up in the ECAC tournament.  AMC had to really impress to get into the NCAA tournament that year and they did the conference proud.

The CCC ladies have done better in the national tournament in recent years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 24, 2010, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 24, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2010, 12:30:27 PM

You're looking at the two best perimeter defensive teams in the conference going head to head in the playoffs.  It's going to be an interesting matchup.  Conceivably we could see a final score below 100 combined points.

Is this based on Tuesday's performance, or the overall conference stats?  Just took a look at the conference stats and CSC gives up a pretty good pecentage.

It's more based on reputation and a little hyperbole.  Foti has a reputation for lock down perimeter defense, forcing the ball inside where he usually has an advantage.  This CSC team is clearly not at the level of others in previous year, but they've shown flashes when they're on - I expect them to be on tomorrow.

For Gordon it's been more of a match-up issue.  I haven't seen too many of their games, but from last night it certainly appeared that they'd rather dent the entry pass and force the ball handler to create a shot on his own.  Either way, they were really focused on the perimeter (and effectively as EC's 21 first half points attests).

So, if both teams have a solid inside presence and the ability to shut down, or effectively slow, the perimeter game... what happens when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object?

i.e. What's your take on who wins tomorrow night?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2010, 06:28:35 PM
Quote from: scout on February 24, 2010, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 24, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2010, 12:30:27 PM

You're looking at the two best perimeter defensive teams in the conference going head to head in the playoffs.  It's going to be an interesting matchup.  Conceivably we could see a final score below 100 combined points.

Is this based on Tuesday's performance, or the overall conference stats?  Just took a look at the conference stats and CSC gives up a pretty good pecentage.

It's more based on reputation and a little hyperbole.  Foti has a reputation for lock down perimeter defense, forcing the ball inside where he usually has an advantage.  This CSC team is clearly not at the level of others in previous year, but they've shown flashes when they're on - I expect them to be on tomorrow.

For Gordon it's been more of a match-up issue.  I haven't seen too many of their games, but from last night it certainly appeared that they'd rather dent the entry pass and force the ball handler to create a shot on his own.  Either way, they were really focused on the perimeter (and effectively as EC's 21 first half points attests).

So, if both teams have a solid inside presence and the ability to shut down, or effectively slow, the perimeter game... what happens when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object?

i.e. What's your take on who wins tomorrow night?

Aaron Trigg happens.  Gordon by 4
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2010, 06:33:09 PM

Gordon is the better team.  They're playing at home.  I pick GC.  Even if the game is close, which it may be, it's tough pick against GC if you're looking at it rationally.  That being said, an upset wouldn't really surprise me.  The only thing that would be a surprise is a 15+ point CSC victory.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 24, 2010, 06:40:50 PM
I take CSC..and not just because that is where my allegiances lie..I saw Aaron Trigg play a little part and Brady Bajema play no part (in the first 38 minutes) in the last game between the two..and those players defending them haven't changed..and those two players haven't gained any superpowers..doubt my Chargers but the Gordon curse is present no matter what..if they can overcome it and go to the Championship for the first time ever..good for them..if not..the Chargers will have played their hearts out to make a second straight Championship game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2010, 06:42:11 PM
And Wentworth by 5
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 24, 2010, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2010, 06:33:09 PM

Gordon is the better team.  They're playing at home.  I pick GC.  Even if the game is close, which it may be, it's tough pick against GC if you're looking at it rationally.  That being said, an upset wouldn't really surprise me.  The only thing that would be a surprise is a 15+ point CSC victory.

A surpise 15+ point CSC victory isn't too big of a surprise for me considering Colby-Sawyer beat Gordon's by 16 in 2006 when Gordon was 15-1.  And to respond to number1chargerfan, I agree with you that Gordon has a postseason curse no matter what way you look at it.  Every year they're at the top of the conference but find a way to lose in the semifinals (past 4 years).  I think Gordon's finally got it this year though. Gordon by ?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 24, 2010, 11:35:07 PM
On a side note, congrats to Coach Malcolm Wynn for earing his 100th victory as Curry's coach in Tuesday's win over UNE.  The CCC is a better league with him coaching here.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Sideline Fan on February 25, 2010, 09:08:14 AM
Long-time, first-time. Couldn't resist chiming in on the GC-CSC matchup.

I do not like the Gordon draw (EC-->CSC-->Finals WIT/CC). The records might not reflect it, but I think this presents the most challenging path to the championship for Gordon. That being said, you play the hand you are dealt. Gordon established during the regular season that they are the best team in the conference this year.

The Endicott game was a big win and very encouraging for the rest of the tournament because they broke the Gulls will. That team, while not as talented as the Plansky era teams, still had Montrod and Whitelaw among others. Gordon is by far the best team in the CCC this year in my opinion. (I believe the regular season established this pretty well.) However, the regular season in the CCC only gets you seeding for the 3 games that matter for the NCAA Tournament. The EC game demonstrated the Fighting Scots recognize they have to play like the best team.

The Colby-Sawyer matchup brings back memories of 2005-2006. It's a dangerous team, a very dangerous team. The Chargers just handled Nichols at home. However, as is often the case in New London, the Chargers are much more dangerous at home (8-3 home, 5-6 road). They enter the game having won 4 of their last 5, but 4 of those games were at home. (Incidentally, the lone loss in that span happened at home to Wentworth.) Colby-Sawyer also has a very talented group of seniors playing with a sense of urgency. Chaloux is legit. Not Andrew St. Clair (who is?), but easily one of the best players in the CCC this year. Foti is one of, if not the, best coaches in the league (in any year) and always very good in a one-game scenario.

In the regular season matchup, Trigg and Bajema were indeed below their typical performance. I look for that duo to be solid and the frontcourt (Gaskill, Derr, Walker, and Dempsey) to play well. Gordon shot just 21.4% (3-14) from 3-pt. range compared to 50% (9-18) by the Chargers. (Note: This created an 18-point scoring differential in favor of the Chargers, who won by 11.) I expect the Gordon percentage to improve and Colby-Sawyer's to come down, at least a little bit. Gordon outrebounded Colby-Sawyer 44-33 as well (31-22 on defensive rebounds, 13-12 on offensive). I look for the rebounding to possibly be tighter, but still go in Gordon's favor. If Gordon controls the boards and the team's perform equally (35%-40%) in 3-pt. shooting, Gordon wins.

Gordon stands at No. 8 in New England in the latest regional rankings. This is actually lower than the 2005-2006 regional ranking for the Fighting Scots.There is no chance for an at-large bid. The committee will take 3 NESCAC teams before them. It's win the CCC or your season is over for them.

All that being said, apparently everyone is offering predictions for tonight.
GC by 8 (in the range of 72-64)
WIT by 4 (in the range of 80-76)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on February 25, 2010, 05:36:18 PM
I might blow my head off if i hear another comparison to the Colby Sawyer team of 2006.  That Colby Sawyer team was far superior to this years team...not to knock what this years team has done.  Also, that was a senior heavy team with one of the best players this conference has ever seen against a younger Gordon squad.  This year Gordon has the senior heavy team, and they know what it takes to win at this stage of the year. 
And the fact Gordon lost to CSC earlier in the year doesn't really concern me seein as the game was played at CSC where they are an extremely tough team to beat...no matter how good or bad their team is.  Gordon has a deeper, more talented team.  There two best players can both shoot the lights out, and last time I checked shooters shoot pretty well at home...going to be much tougher to contain them playing at Gordon.
Foti is the best coach in the conference though, Gordon by 8.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 05:53:04 PM

I'm just going to chime in with this:

We love new posters on this board.  We want lots of people weighing in.  But if you're gonna show up a day or two before the semi-finals and then disappear five days later, you're not contributing much.

Obviously people are worked up for their teams and want to make points about strengths and weaknesses.  The problem is that its tough to judge the rationality and acumen of posters with no history.

CSC fans like CSC and Gordon fans like Gordon.  Big news.

Create a track record then start fighting with each other.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on February 25, 2010, 06:25:14 PM
Wow Hoops.  Directed at me???  I understand your point though, I did actually post the entire 2008-2009 season.  Not in front of a computer much any more.  Having played 4 years in the league, I more wanted to stand up for that Colby Sawyer team than anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2010, 06:37:06 PM
Moving onward, Gordon is the only game we can watch tonight.

Curry does have live stats.

www.gordon.edu/athletics (http://www.gordon.edu/athletics)

Click on the 'Watch Live' link on the left hand side.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: Word Life on February 25, 2010, 06:25:14 PM
Wow Hoops.  Directed at me???  I understand your point though, I did actually post the entire 2008-2009 season.  Not in front of a computer much any more.  Having played 4 years in the league, I more wanted to stand up for that Colby Sawyer team than anything.

I suppose its directed towards whoever feels as if it describes them, but no one in particular.  I just get fed up with the board getting crowded with smack talk five days a year, drowning out most of any real information.

We can move on; there's two games going right now.  Both games are close in first half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 07:29:50 PM

Gordon is playing no defense, but the refs are helping them out, calling the game pretty tightly.  CSC wants to be more physical, probably a good tactic - we'll see if the refs loosen things up in the second half.

Curry's up 33-20 with 2 minutes to go in the first half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 07:37:54 PM

Curry's up 11 at the half.  Both teams shooting poorly.  WIT has 14 turnovers to Curry's 3.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 07:41:28 PM
GC by 5 at the half.  This Gordon team is not going to win any NCAA games if they get that far.  Too much difference from Tuesday to today.  Any tournament team with even a little scouting will be able figure things out.  My take: a slightly oversized fish in a small pond this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2010, 07:42:23 PM
Curry completely dominating at the half, up 11. Wentworth is playing right into their hands.  The Curry zone is very active and are feeding off of turnovers
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 07:51:58 PM

I do have to give Gordon props on their video feed.  It's fantastic.  I've tried to watch some other games this week with mixed results.  I can't even get the Bridgewater State game to come in for more than three seconds without buffering.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:00:59 PM

Curry's now up 16 with 14 minutes to go.  They're shooting better and taking care of the ball.  CC seems to be playing the best ball of the four teams going tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:10:29 PM

I like this Willis kid from CSC.  He's going to be a good PG for Foti's system in the years to come.

Other than that, it's pretty undisciplined ball from both teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:12:12 PM

Curry by 15 with 9 minutes to go.  Wynn's got his guys ready when it count, like usual.

Gordon's up 10 with 10 to go - CSC has some foul issues in the post.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2010, 08:13:05 PM
Right now Jarrell Jackson is playing out of his mind. WIT not giving up though
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:16:07 PM

Curry's starting to get a little sloppy.  Only up 12 now and Jackson picked up foul #4 with more than six minutes remaining in the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
Curry may be playing the best ball out of the four teams. I'm not disagreeing with you. But the other three teams are not putting up much of a challenge.

CSC just can't get a decent shot up inside the arc. They've kept it close by hitting multiple threes.

Gordon isn't playing perimeter defense, but inside they seem to be shutting down Chaloux and Chevrefils. Their offense is a little more crisp, largely due to better passing.

WIT just can't hit anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2010, 08:23:56 PM
If Curry plays this style against Gordon, they'll lose by 30. More on that later
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 08:23:56 PM
If Curry plays this style against Gordon, they'll lose by 30. More on that later

Gramatically, your sentence says that Curry will lose by 30. But I think you meant Gordon, correct?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:31:22 PM

CC by 11 with 84 seconds to play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2010, 08:32:02 PM
Chaloux fouls out on a weird call. Bajema tries to break the press at halfcourt. Looks like he tripped on his own feet, but the refs called it against the first-team all-conference Chaloux.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:36:10 PM

According to the live stats, Mastrullo had three fouls, one a tech, called on him all at once.  We'll have to wait for an in person report.  A minute to go and Curry may be falling apart.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:38:33 PM

Curry's missing FTs left and right - now down to a seven point lead as GC puts CSC away - up 18 with 40 seconds to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:40:26 PM


GC wins by 19, 77-58.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:41:10 PM
A comedy of fouls in the Curry game.  4 total FTs in the first half, but we're going to top 40 for the game.


CC by 7 with 39 seconds remaining.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2010, 08:42:40 PM
We'll look at the stats, but the in-game coaching of Todd Murphy was impressive. The difference in Gordon's play between the first half and the second half was immense.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:44:39 PM

Jackson and Mastrullo are both out now, but CC hit its last six FTs and has a nine point lead with 20 seconds left.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2010, 08:47:06 PM

Curry wins 77-67.

Gonna be a good game on Saturday; too bad I won't be able to watch it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 25, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
Gordon beats Colby-Sawyer 77-58
Curry beats Wentworth 77-67

Gordon hosts Curry for the 2010 TCCC Championship.  I was hoping for Wentworth to win so Gordon could avenge the 2007 upset at the hands of Sherrad Prezzie-Blue, but the game is monumental nonetheless as Gordon finally gets to the championship.  This is huge for that program.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: scout on February 25, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 08:23:56 PM
If Curry plays this style against Gordon, they'll lose by 30. More on that later

Gramatically, your sentence says that Curry will lose by 30. But I think you meant Gordon, correct?

No sir.

Curry played a zone basically all game (at least 95% of the time).  They took away Wentworth's greatest strength which is their interior size and power.  Sam Herrick (1st team CCC), Shane West and Matt Abbott (both 2nd team CCC) were all held to a total of 9 points.  9 POINTS!

Jarrell Jackson played out of his mind tonight.  He didn't shoot it great (8-18), but he was unstoppable moving around the court. 

Wentworth's guards, while pretty talented, were left alone to carry the team.  The inside-out game just became an out game (29 three's for Wentworth).

Now if Curry plays like that vs. Gordon, the GC guards will have a field day.  First of all, the GC guards are more fundamentally sound and stronger with the ball in the hands.  Second, those guards will each score 20 points a piece in the first half vs. that zone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 25, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
Gordon beats Colby-Sawyer 77-58
Curry beats Wentworth 77-67

Gordon hosts Curry for the 2010 TCCC Championship.  I was hoping for Wentworth to win so Gordon could avenge the 2007 upset at the hands of Sherrad Prezzie-Blue, but the game is monumental nonetheless as Gordon finally gets to the championship.  This is huge for that program.

That had to have been one of the top 5 greatest games in TCCC within the past decade
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2010, 09:57:30 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: scout on February 25, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 08:23:56 PM
If Curry plays this style against Gordon, they'll lose by 30. More on that later

Gramatically, your sentence says that Curry will lose by 30. But I think you meant Gordon, correct?

No sir.

Curry played a zone basically all game (at least 95% of the time).  They took away Wentworth's greatest strength which is their interior size and power.  Sam Herrick (1st team CCC), Shane West and Matt Abbott (both 2nd team CCC) were all held to a total of 9 points.  9 POINTS!

Jarrell Jackson played out of his mind tonight.  He didn't shoot it great (8-18), but he was unstoppable moving around the court. 

Wentworth's guards, while pretty talented, were left alone to carry the team.  The inside-out game just became an out game (29 three's for Wentworth).

Now if Curry plays like that vs. Gordon, the GC guards will have a field day.  First of all, the GC guards are more fundamentally sound and stronger with the ball in the hands.  Second, those guards will each score 20 points a piece in the first half vs. that zone.


My apologies. I assumed incorrectly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2010, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 25, 2010, 08:36:10 PM

According to the live stats, Mastrullo had three fouls, one a tech, called on him all at once.  We'll have to wait for an in person report.  A minute to go and Curry may be falling apart.
Correct.  He got called for a foul, which was his 4th, and picked up his 5th on a technical.  Curry played well tonight...Jackson and Mastrullo were key.  Wentworth did everything it could to come back.

Should be an interesting one on Saturday.  Good luck to both teams!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2010, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
That had to have been one of the top 5 greatest games in TCCC within the past decade
One of the top 5 games I have witnessed - in all sports - in my 14+ years at Wentworth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 25, 2010, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2010, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
That had to have been one of the top 5 greatest games in TCCC within the past decade
One of the top 5 games I have witnessed - in all sports - in my 14+ years at Wentworth.

It was a great game...if you're a Wentworth fan
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2010, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 25, 2010, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2010, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
That had to have been one of the top 5 greatest games in TCCC within the past decade
One of the top 5 games I have witnessed - in all sports - in my 14+ years at Wentworth.

It was a great game...if you're a Wentworth fan

While at Gordon at the time, I would put it in the top five games I've seen. (KU-Memphis is number one).

I was disappointed in the result, but Prezzie-Blue was/is a class act, a top talent, and just a great guy. He went for 30+ in that game and was the singular reason the Leopards won. Everyone knew it as he/she left the gym.

Prezzie-Blue, St. Clair., Aaron Trigg, Tim Jones, and Mike Herr... I'd take that team any day.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2010, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: scout on February 25, 2010, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 25, 2010, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2010, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
That had to have been one of the top 5 greatest games in TCCC within the past decade
One of the top 5 games I have witnessed - in all sports - in my 14+ years at Wentworth.

It was a great game...if you're a Wentworth fan

While at Gordon at the time, I would put it in the top five games I've seen. (KU-Memphis is number one).

I was disappointed in the result, but Prezzie-Blue was/is a class act, a top talent, and just a great guy. He went for 30+ in that game and was the singular reason the Leopards won. Everyone knew it as he/she left the gym.

Prezzie-Blue, St. Clair., Aaron Trigg, Tim Jones, and Mike Herr... I'd take that team any day.

No offense to Mike Herr, but he couldn't be more out of place on that team.  If you're looking for another big man/forward, I'd go with Raheim Lamb
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 25, 2010, 11:23:06 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: scout on February 25, 2010, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 25, 2010, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2010, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
That had to have been one of the top 5 greatest games in TCCC within the past decade
One of the top 5 games I have witnessed - in all sports - in my 14+ years at Wentworth.

It was a great game...if you're a Wentworth fan

While at Gordon at the time, I would put it in the top five games I've seen. (KU-Memphis is number one).

I was disappointed in the result, but Prezzie-Blue was/is a class act, a top talent, and just a great guy. He went for 30+ in that game and was the singular reason the Leopards won. Everyone knew it as he/she left the gym.

Prezzie-Blue, St. Clair., Aaron Trigg, Tim Jones, and Mike Herr... I'd take that team any day.

No offense to Mike Herr, but he couldn't be more out of place on that team.  If you're looking for another big man/forward, I'd go with Raheim Lamb

You got me. I was looking for a versatile guy... Lamb works.

Otherwise, pretty solid selections though, right? ;-)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 25, 2010, 11:27:43 PM
It's tough leaving out Josh Oxton and Matt George, but EC had no representation this year, so they lose out

Great list otherwise

Others more than deserving:  Todd Doyle, Pat Quinn, Ryan Jaziri, Marinkovic
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on February 25, 2010, 11:42:25 PM
I said Trigg and Bajema had to show up and boy did they ever..Chargers couldn't get a stop, or hit the threes, and the short bench proved to be their downfall. One cure is over, Gordon's in the Championship, let's see if they get the other monkey off their back.


Just wanted to say thanks to all you veterans out there for making my 5 years at CSC much more interesting, and I'll probably still check in to see what people are saying and what not, maybe even chime in if needed. Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2010, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 25, 2010, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 25, 2010, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 25, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
That had to have been one of the top 5 greatest games in TCCC within the past decade
One of the top 5 games I have witnessed - in all sports - in my 14+ years at Wentworth.

It was a great game...if you're a Wentworth fan
I thought it was a great game, period.  http://www.wit.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0607/mbbgm27.htm
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: whiteplainshoops on February 26, 2010, 01:14:38 PM
No offense to Pat Quinn and Ryan Jaziri who are both guys I played with at NEC, but they shouldnt be on this list.  The CCC in the last 10 years has just had too many talented players, especially guards.  If you mentioned Dennis Dube (who was the all time leading scorer at NEC before Jaziri) and an absolute beast in the paint I may agree
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2010, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: whiteplainshoops on February 26, 2010, 01:14:38 PM
No offense to Pat Quinn and Ryan Jaziri who are both guys I played with at NEC, but they shouldnt be on this list.  The CCC in the last 10 years has just had too many talented players, especially guards.  If you mentioned Dennis Dube (who was the all time leading scorer at NEC before Jaziri) and an absolute beast in the paint I may agree

Wait, ten years?  I thought that list was for the last five.  Half those guys don't belong if we're going back to the 99-00 season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on February 27, 2010, 12:04:48 PM
The GC - CUrry game is going to be interesting today.  As I said before the GC - CSC game, I have been watching GC games all year (online as I'm not in the area).  I believe that today's game will come down to TOs.  Gordon had a lot of close games during their winning streak.  In those close games they were averaging 20+ TOs a game, when they took care of the ball they were winning easily.  The last time they played Curry it was a 6 point win for the Scots.  GC had a +19 edge in rebounding, but they turned the ball over 26 times.  In that game Trigg and Bajema combined for 44 points, while Jackson and Mastrullo went for 41 (though they shot the ball poorly).

I think this game is going to come down to GC taking care of the ball.  If Gordon turns the ball over less than 15 times I think GC wins by 10+.  If Curry can force TOs and get to the line I think it is basically going to be a pick-um game.

Those are just my thoughts but it should be interesting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2010, 07:41:58 PM
Gordon - Curry game is close, with the Fighting Scots leading 25-24 at halftime.

Curry is playing a VERY tight 2-3 zone. The paint is almost off-limits except for exceptional passes. Gordon had a few of them and were able to find Ben Gaskill and Greg Walker.

Both defenses are playing quite well, but they are getting a boon from the officials being timid to call fouls in the conference championship.

Gordon's scoring seems to be spread apart quite well. Curry is relying on Bennett, who is dominating the offensive paint.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2010, 08:31:46 PM
3.6 seconds left.  56-54. Curry with the ball and down 2

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2010, 08:33:27 PM
Gordon WINS 56-54
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on February 27, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Terrible inbound pass by Curry which Gordon easily stole
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 27, 2010, 08:58:10 PM
Quote from: backboard on February 27, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Terrible inbound pass by Curry which Gordon easily stole

It still took a solid play by McDonnell to steal it.

Congratulations to Gordon in winning their first ever Commonwealth Coast Conference championship.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 28, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
Gordon College 2010 TCCC Champions...curse went out the door with Schauer
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 28, 2010, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 28, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
Gordon College 2010 TCCC Champions...curse went out the door with Schauer

Ewing theory?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2010, 10:03:42 AM

Gordon gets Middlebury in the first round.  Perhaps the curse is not over?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 01, 2010, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 01, 2010, 10:03:42 AM

Gordon gets Middlebury in the first round.  Perhaps the curse is not over?

That is going to be a tough game. We'll see right off the bat whether Gordon belongs in the discussion with the other top Northeast teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on March 01, 2010, 10:37:38 AM
Should be interesting.  Middlebury and Gordon played some similar opponents, both beat Bates, MC by 9 and GC by 14.  Both beat Union, MC by 20 and GC by 22.  Both Played CSC, MC lost by 8 and GC split losing by 9 and winning by 19.  So with by looking at those results, I think it will be a good game also looking at each teams rosters they look as though they match up well with each other.  What does anyone know about RIC or Rutgers-Newark?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2010, 11:16:12 AM

Middlebury played about their best game of the year in the NESCAC final against Williams.  They're peaking right now - I just don't see any way Gordon wins this game, at least not without a superhuman shooting performance from deep.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on March 01, 2010, 12:54:08 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 01, 2010, 11:16:12 AM

Middlebury played about their best game of the year in the NESCAC final against Williams.  They're peaking right now - I just don't see any way Gordon wins this game, at least not without a superhuman shooting performance from deep.

I have seen quite a few NESCAC games this year as I live close to Bowdoin and Bates.  Gordon would have been at top 3 or 4 team in that conference.  I saw Bowdoin a handful of times this year and Colby and Bates twice each, GC was a better team than Bates and Bowdoin and would have hung with Colby.

Middlebury and Williams have a big teams, much bigger than your average NESCAC school.  This is one area where Gordon can match them.  Gordon has some quality big men and I think that is going to be what allows them to hang with Middlebury.  If they can match their big men, I think Bajema and Trigg are as good of guards as there are in the Northeast.

I think it is going to be a much closer game than you think.  I would think that Middlebury is obviosuly the favorite based on playing tougher competition all year and hosting the game in their own gym.  I would say Gordon is a 6 point underdog.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2010, 01:01:55 PM

It's going to come down to the paint.  My biggest issue with the matchup is that Middlebury can rely on post scoring, whereas Gordon has to rely on guard play.

If the GC big men can shut down the Middlebury post game, then GC has a good shot.  The problem for me is simply that this seems really unlikely.

The best GC can hope for is a close victory and the worse case scenario is a 20 point loss.

To me that makes Midd a big favorite.  Not impossible, obviously, but very tough, especially with the way they're playing right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 01, 2010, 02:06:23 PM
Gordon is a nice team with nice players, but this is the worst I can remember the CCC  being in 6+ years

The 'Bury by 18
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 01, 2010, 02:11:35 PM
Curry and Wentworth will be in the ECAC tournament as #7 and #8 seeds respectively
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 01, 2010, 05:26:11 PM
I have posted Gordon's tournament profile in the Multi-Regional Section of the boards.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6817.msg1184052#msg1184052 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6817.msg1184052#msg1184052)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on March 01, 2010, 08:36:54 PM
What do we think of Gordon's chances this weekend?  It looks like they match up good when you compare common opponents.  It will be a good test.  I feel like they have a chance but it will be difficult.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 01, 2010, 10:05:11 PM
I think Gordon has a solid chance too.  They both beat and lost to common opponents by similar amounts.  In my opinion Middlebury is the toughest out of the 3 for Gordon to face though.  RIC and Rutgers-Newark are highly guard oriented and Gordon can beat them if they dominate the paint.  Middlebury on the other hand is a very tough team in the paint.  Gordon's inside and outside game needs to perform at its absolute best for them to win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gogordon11 on March 01, 2010, 11:48:34 PM
couple videos of the final play of the CCC championship game (and ensuing fun) for people who didn't see the game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjsvsNbZRhY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDRJ4vNeVKI

Gordon obviously has a steep task at hand, and it seems that they will have to play like they did versus Endicott and CSC to really give themselves a chance. I do feel that Gordon matches up relatively well with them, and the common opponents are an encouraging factor.
Here are some stats on Middlebury:
Middlebury's leading scorer is Ryan Sharry (13.2 ppg), a 6'8" Soph. Forward. He also leads the team with 7.8 rpg. He shoots 53.5%, and though he only took 30 3-pointers this season, he did make 13 of them, good for a 43.3% rate.
Their next leading scorer is Jake Wolfin, 10.6 ppg, a 6'2" Fresh. Guard. He shoots at a 39.6% clip from the field, and if Middlebury's stats page is correct, 160 of his 227 attempts are from behind the line, where he shoots 40.6%.
Another Freshman, 6'3" Guard Nolan Thompson is their third leading scorer at 10.2 ppg. He shoots 43%, 31.8% from 3-point land.
Their #4 scorer, 6'10" Junior Center Andrew Locke added 9.1 ppg, and pulled down 5.2 rpg. Locke was Middlebury's top shooter in terms of FG percentage, coming in at 61.4%. Gordon does not have a lot of fouls to give as far as their bigs, but they would be well advised to spend those fouls on Locke, who shot only 39.5% from the free-throw line, while going to the line a team high 86 times (3.2 attempts per game).

Overall as a team, Middlebury averages 71.4 ppg, shoot 44.6% FGs, 34.9% 3FGs, 66.1% FTs, 40.7 rpg, 15.4 apg, and 13.4 topg. They outscored their opponents by 13.3 ppg, out rebounded by 4.2, and had a +1.6 turnover margin on average.

Of the seven players that average more than 20 minutes per game, five are 6'4" or taller: Ryan Sharry, 6'8", Andrew Locke, 6'10", Ryan Wholey, 6'4", Tim Edwards, 6'4", Jamal Davis, 6'5". Just to compare (not that they all average that many minutes), for Gordon, Dempsey is 6'5", Derr is 6'8", Gaskill is 6'9", and Walker is 6'7". MacDonnell is considered a tweener for Gordon, even though he is listed at 6'2". I don't know if Coach Murphy will try Gaskill against Sharry and dare Locke to be the bigger scorer, or if Derr/Walker will be counted on to shut down Sharry as Gaskill goes against Locke. If the Gordon bigs get in foul trouble, it could get ugly. It would appear that Gordon has more star power, with the big scoring from Trigg/Bajema/Walker, but Middlebury's players just don't get as many minutes, as Sharry averaged 25.4 mpg, Wolfin 24.4, Thompson 28.1. Their mpg leader was actually Tim Edwards, a 6-4 senior guard, who contributed 8.6 ppg, 7.0 rpg, and a team leading 5.2 apg.
I think we all can root for a good game, and that TCCC will be represented well. I would consider Coach Murphy's game plan and halftime adjustments as key to the game, and if Trigg and Bajema are shooting well, Gordon has every chance of pulling the upset (in my highly biased opinion).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on March 02, 2010, 10:08:46 AM
Aaron Trigg was named a Jostens Trophy Finalist.  Great stuff, congratulations to Aaron.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 02, 2010, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on March 02, 2010, 10:08:46 AM
Aaron Trigg was named a Jostens Trophy Finalist.  Great stuff, congratulations to Aaron.

Where did you see this?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 02, 2010, 11:24:34 AM
It's on the front page
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 02, 2010, 11:29:47 AM
"The finalists for the prestigious Jostens Trophy are being announced today by members of the Rotary Club of Salem, Va. The award, which honors the top Division III basketball men's and women's student-athlete of the year, is based on three criteria: basketball ability, academic ability and community service."

Apparently academic success at Gordon can take you far
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 02, 2010, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: backboard on March 02, 2010, 11:29:47 AM
"The finalists for the prestigious Jostens Trophy are being announced today by members of the Rotary Club of Salem, Va. The award, which honors the top Division III basketball men's and women's student-athlete of the year, is based on three criteria: basketball ability, academic ability and community service."

Apparently academic success at Gordon can take you far

Trigg is the CCC student athlete laison (he helped create the role two years ago). He is the student body president and is also the leader of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes on campus. He is a business administration/finance double major with a pre-law emphasis.

If you are doubting his basketball ability, he is number four on Gordon's all-time scoring list and has more than proved his ability throughout his career.

I think he satisfies all three criteria quite satisfactorily.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
Trigg's not going to win, but it's a huge honor to be nominated.  I wonder if Shauer had anything to do with getting his name up for consideration?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2010, 11:39:36 AM

As for the game this weekend, I think Edwards and Sharry will be the guys to worry about.  Wolfin and Locke are good, but complementary players.  The biggest problem I see for Gordon is that if it takes two guys to shut down Sharry, Locke can score enough to hurt you.  The same thing is true of Edwards.  If GC leaves Wolfin open too often, that's trouble.

I think it's just as we've been saying all along.  Gordon needs their best game to have a chance, but the fact that they have a chance is a good sign, especially drawing a team as highly regarded as Middlebury.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 02, 2010, 11:42:39 AM
Quote from: scout on March 02, 2010, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: backboard on March 02, 2010, 11:29:47 AM
"The finalists for the prestigious Jostens Trophy are being announced today by members of the Rotary Club of Salem, Va. The award, which honors the top Division III basketball men's and women's student-athlete of the year, is based on three criteria: basketball ability, academic ability and community service."

Apparently academic success at Gordon can take you far

Trigg is the CCC student athlete laison (he helped create the role two years ago). He is the student body president and is also the leader of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes on campus. He is a business administration/finance double major with a pre-law emphasis.

If you are doubting his basketball ability, he is number four on Gordon's all-time scoring list and has more than proved his ability throughout his career.

I think he satisfies all three criteria quite satisfactorily.

Please, he's barely a top 5 player in TCCC within the past 5 years.  Being the leader of a group that I doubt most CCC players haven't even heard, and he created himself, is just wonderful too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 02, 2010, 11:47:42 AM
Quote from: backboard on March 02, 2010, 11:42:39 AM
Quote from: scout on March 02, 2010, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: backboard on March 02, 2010, 11:29:47 AM
"The finalists for the prestigious Jostens Trophy are being announced today by members of the Rotary Club of Salem, Va. The award, which honors the top Division III basketball men's and women's student-athlete of the year, is based on three criteria: basketball ability, academic ability and community service."

Apparently academic success at Gordon can take you far

Trigg is the CCC student athlete laison (he helped create the role two years ago). He is the student body president and is also the leader of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes on campus. He is a business administration/finance double major with a pre-law emphasis.

If you are doubting his basketball ability, he is number four on Gordon's all-time scoring list and has more than proved his ability throughout his career.

I think he satisfies all three criteria quite satisfactorily.

Please, he's barely a top 5 player in TCCC within the past 5 years.  Being the leader of a group that I doubt most CCC players haven't even heard, and he created himself, is just wonderful too.

Say what you wish. Clearly, those with more knowledge than you or me felt he has a resume worthy of nomination. I tend to side with those who have the experience, knowledge, and authority.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2010, 11:57:25 AM

I've thought since last year that Trigg would be a good candidate for the Josten's.  His play, involvement, and academics play to the requirements perfectly.  I just didn't think a player from a small school in a small conference would even get a look.

At least on the men's side, none of the finalists will be First Team All-Americans.  Only two or three even have an outside shot at any of the AA teams.  They generally ask, as far as playing ability goes, that the nominee is a top player on his or her team and a leader in the conference.

I'm still not sure someone from the CCC can win this award, especially without being a player of national prominence.  Still it's a great honor to have someone selected as a finalist.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 03, 2010, 08:57:44 PM
Eastern Conn 64 - Wentworth 59
Elms 77 - Curry 66
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: witfan on March 04, 2010, 05:03:21 PM
The WIT/ECU game was excellent.  It was even closer than the 5 point final indicates.  Despite having trouble with the press in late possessions WIT had a good opportunity with about 15secs on the clock and down by 3.  Decided to push, didn't take a time out, ECU locked down the perimeter, forced a TO, game over.

Abbott had 16pts, 9 boards, 5 blocks and 2 steals.

Compliments to ECU.  Nice campus, great facility and big crowd.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Word Life on March 05, 2010, 07:36:53 AM
Here's a question for everyone...

Which CCC program is the top program of the past 10 years?  Team of the decade sort of thing.  And let's try to be as unbiased as possible on this one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: Word Life on March 05, 2010, 07:36:53 AM
Here's a question for everyone...

Which CCC program is the top program of the past 10 years?  Team of the decade sort of thing.  And let's try to be as unbiased as possible on this one.

Colby Sawyer.  Their worst two years were the last two, which weren't horrible.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 08:59:03 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: Word Life on March 05, 2010, 07:36:53 AM
Here's a question for everyone...

Which CCC program is the top program of the past 10 years?  Team of the decade sort of thing.  And let's try to be as unbiased as possible on this one.

Colby Sawyer.  Their worst two years were the last two, which weren't horrible.

I second this. Curry might be number two, with their recent success.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on March 05, 2010, 09:45:30 AM
NEC?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: yeah buddy on March 05, 2010, 09:45:30 AM
NEC?

There's some positive karma for you.  I came close to laughing out loud.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 05, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: Word Life on March 05, 2010, 07:36:53 AM
Here's a question for everyone...

Which CCC program is the top program of the past 10 years?  Team of the decade sort of thing.  And let's try to be as unbiased as possible on this one.

Colby Sawyer.  Their worst two years were the last two, which weren't horrible.

I believe Endicott and Colby-Sawyer would be the two best (Endicott had a 3-peat from 2004-2006 and I believe Colby-Sawyer won the 3 prior to that).  I'm still waiting for the TCCC website to upload it's "history" page.  I want to know all the TCCC champs since the conference's inception, and am curious teams have not one a title. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 05, 2010, 02:18:15 PM
CCC champs of the past decade: 

2000-2001 Colby-Sawyer
2001-2002 Colby-Sawyer
2002-2003 Colby-Sawyer
2003-2004 Endicott
2004-2005 Endicott
2005-2006 Endicott
2006-2007 Wentworth
2007-2008 Curry
2008-2009 University of New England
2009-2010 Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 02:52:39 PM

EC didn't join the conference until before the 1999-2000 season and they were a non-factor the first couple of years.

This past decade has really been two very distinct periods.  The first five years there was a general hierarchy that held, for the most part, every season.  In the past five years we've seen a lot of ups and downs from different programs.  NEC and AMC have been near the bottom the whole time.  Other than that, every team in the conference has been a title contender at some point during the decade (WNEC and RC excluded, as the newbies).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on March 05, 2010, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: Word Life on March 05, 2010, 07:36:53 AM
Here's a question for everyone...

Which CCC program is the top program of the past 10 years?  Team of the decade sort of thing.  And let's try to be as unbiased as possible on this one.

Colby Sawyer.  Their worst two years were the last two, which weren't horrible.


Hoops Fan I rarely disagree with you but wouldn't you say the two years before that (barely making the playoffs as an 8 and I believe a 7/8 and losing both times in the first round) in comparison to a 20 win runner up season and a semi-final appearance?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
Quote from: number1chargerfan on March 05, 2010, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: Word Life on March 05, 2010, 07:36:53 AM
Here's a question for everyone...

Which CCC program is the top program of the past 10 years?  Team of the decade sort of thing.  And let's try to be as unbiased as possible on this one.

Colby Sawyer.  Their worst two years were the last two, which weren't horrible.


Hoops Fan I rarely disagree with you but wouldn't you say the two years before that (barely making the playoffs as an 8 and I believe a 7/8 and losing both times in the first round) in comparison to a 20 win runner up season and a semi-final appearance?

Yeah, I'm getting old.  I lose track of time.  I think the pick still stands though, CSC has been the most consistent team through the past decade.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 09:05:46 PM
Gordon down by three at the half, 32-29.

Middlebury, at one point, was up by 13. A 7-0 run brought the Scots back into it.

At least for a half, the best of the CCC is showing it can hang with one of the top teams in the nation. Again, at least for a half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 09:09:14 PM

They also suffered from three early fouls on Gaskill.  If he can stay out of trouble in the second half, they certainly look to have a chance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 09:21:33 PM

Gordon's hitting the boards well and taking it strong to the basket, both good ways to win games.  This might be more exciting than I thought.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 09:35:59 PM

Middlebury's pulling away again.  Lots of bad passes from GC and great defense from Middlebury.  It looks like Gordon's playing a bit over their heads, uncharacteristic defensive breakdowns, etc.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 09:35:59 PM

Middlebury's pulling away again.  Lots of bad passes from GC and great defense from Middlebury.  It looks like Gordon's playing a bit over their heads, uncharacteristic defensive breakdowns, etc.

They are afraid to drive to the hoop because Locke has blocked an inane amount of shots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 09:38:54 PM
Tim Edwards has just dominated Aaron Trigg so far this game.  I thought that matchup might be the difference and it appears to be so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 09:51:58 PM
Quote from: scout on March 05, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 09:35:59 PM

Middlebury's pulling away again.  Lots of bad passes from GC and great defense from Middlebury.  It looks like Gordon's playing a bit over their heads, uncharacteristic defensive breakdowns, etc.

They are afraid to drive to the hoop because Locke has blocked an inane amount of shots.

You'd think they'd at least try a pump fake or something - they're just throwing it right into him.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 09:51:58 PM
Quote from: scout on March 05, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 09:35:59 PM

Middlebury's pulling away again.  Lots of bad passes from GC and great defense from Middlebury.  It looks like Gordon's playing a bit over their heads, uncharacteristic defensive breakdowns, etc.

They are afraid to drive to the hoop because Locke has blocked an inane amount of shots.

You'd think they'd at least try a pump fake or something - they're just throwing it right into him.

They are just so hesitant. The great pressure perimeter defense is preventing them from their second option, the three. Locke only has two fouls, too, so he'll be affecting shots the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 09:59:13 PM

GC got it down to 5 with the ball and threw an unforced turnover in the backcourt.  That might have done it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 09:59:13 PM

GC got it down to 5 with the ball and threw an unforced turnover in the backcourt.  That might have done it.

That was it. They were thinking of what to do with the ball before they completed the pass.

Gordon hung with a top 10 team in the nation... Not bad at all.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 10:07:57 PM
Middlebury hangs on for the 64-57 win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 10:13:15 PM
In retrospect, it was a solid showing by Gordon. They had a little bit of a 'deer caught in headlights' look at the start of both halves. My guess is that Middlebury saw tournament teams throughout their season and Gordon had to adapt.

Adapt they did, though. And again, I find Coach Murphy to be a great in-game coach. His adjustments brought Gordon back within two possessions each from 13 and 16 point deficits.

Aaron Trigg was absolutely stifled by Tim Edwards. Just wiped him clean from the sheet. Still, Aaron didn't give up and played some solid defense and managed the rest of the players on the court.

Bajema led all scorers with 21. Solid showing from him.

If Gordon could have found any post presence at all, they would have won this game. Locke had around 12 blocks on the game... Shots that absolutely would have found the hoop had they not been deflected.

Middlebury is a great team. At least we know the Gordon was not overrated this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on March 05, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
12 blocks???  My goodness
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: backboard on March 05, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
12 blocks???  My goodness

He's a big dude.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: backboard on March 05, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
12 blocks???  My goodness

He's a big dude.

He's a 6-11 junior. It was pretty unreal.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2010, 11:00:29 PM
Quote from: scout on March 05, 2010, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: backboard on March 05, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
12 blocks???  My goodness

He's a big dude.

He's a 6-11 junior. It was pretty unreal.

A lot of it was confidence.  Locke was doing a lot of things, both offensively and defensively he couldn't get away with against a more experienced team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on March 05, 2010, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 11:00:29 PM
Quote from: scout on March 05, 2010, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 05, 2010, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: backboard on March 05, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
12 blocks???  My goodness

He's a big dude.

He's a 6-11 junior. It was pretty unreal.

A lot of it was confidence.  Locke was doing a lot of things, both offensively and defensively he couldn't get away with against a more experienced team.

Additionally, Gaskill and Walker weren't aggressive in going toward the basket. Granted, I don't think that's Walker's type of game anyway (he's more finesse post move oriented)... But I think Gaskill has the strength and enough size to go up two-handed to at least draw the foul. He did it a couple of times in the game, but most of Locke's Blocks (possible Midd student section nickname??) were on teardrops and finessed post moves.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 06, 2010, 01:10:55 PM
According to Middlebury's website, Locke had 13 blocked shots setting a new school record for Middlebury.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2010, 11:40:59 AM

Aaron Trigg made first team all-region for New England, making him eligible for an all-american team.

I think this is only the second time that I can remember a CCC player making first-team all region.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Actually, you don't have to be first-team All-Region to be eligible for All-American.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 18, 2010, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Actually, you don't have to be first-team All-Region to be eligible for All-American.

Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 18, 2010, 04:57:25 PM
For the NABC award, you need to be first-team all-district (same thing as region), in order to be all-american, because they only select 3 players from each region to the all-american teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 20, 2010, 03:22:07 PM
Just out of curiosity, I wanted to hear people's thoughts about if winning the Commonwealth Coast Conference will do anything for Gordon College's popularity.  I only live 90 miles away from Gordon, and maybe 1% of the people I talk to have heard of it.  The northeast basketball community is somewhat familiar with it, but the average person isn't.  Do you think it will become more well-known over time?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2010, 03:59:26 PM

I think Gordon's done a good job in the past decade of improving its name recognition and esteem within the community in which it recruits most of its students.  GC competes with schools like Eastern and Messiah in Pennsylvania and Wheaton in Illinois, generally for students from an evangelical background.

I'm sure they'd love to draw students from the local area, but I doubt its the main focus of their institutional development.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 20, 2010, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on March 20, 2010, 03:22:07 PM
Just out of curiosity, I wanted to hear people's thoughts about if winning the Commonwealth Coast Conference will do anything for Gordon College's popularity.  I only live 90 miles away from Gordon, and maybe 1% of the people I talk to have heard of it.  The northeast basketball community is somewhat familiar with it, but the average person isn't.  Do you think it will become more well-known over time?

No...3 reasons.

1 the CCC is a lower tier league even by D3 standards even other D3 coaches in New England might not know who wins the CCC in a given year

2. One and out in the tournament. Again only real basketball nerds know D3 ball and the ones that do pay attention to the dance

3. School Profile- Some D3 schools can get large support from the community they sit in- that usually happens only in schools in very small areas without much going on. The Boston area hardly fits. Add in the schools extreme christian doctrine and over the top religiousness which will drive away some random casual fans as well.


So basically. No. The campus will enjoy them so will the alumni. No one else is going to pay much mind.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2010, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on March 20, 2010, 04:00:30 PM
Add in the schools extreme christian doctrine and over the top religiousness which will drive away some random casual fans as well.

You may need to check out your Christian schools again - Gordon is probably one of the more liberal ones.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 20, 2010, 05:51:40 PM
1/6th of my overall point, but what I'm saying is, liberal or not. It's still very much a religious place. Just walk into their gym
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on March 20, 2010, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on March 20, 2010, 05:51:40 PM
1/6th of my overall point, but what I'm saying is, liberal or not. It's still very much a religious place. Just walk into their gym

CCC Talk i do not understand what you mean by saying Just walk into their gym.  What is overly religious?  They are no religious decor or anything that is different from any other gym.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2010, 08:08:58 PM
The CCC is breaking up: D3hoops.com: Notables (http://www.d3hoops.com/newsitems.php?item=3049)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 09, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
I saw something similar to this in the Portland Press Herald http://www.pressherald.com/sports/boston-college-reaches-final_2010-04-09.html (at the bottom of the article).  One difference is that Curry is not included in the new 9 team conference according to the article.  Which to my makes sense, but I guess what doesn't make much sense is a 9-team conference.  8 conference games make sense for most other sports but, how will it work out in basketball, an unbalanced schedule?

What are other peoples thoughts, looks like the NH teams will have to find a new home.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: JWJ on April 09, 2010, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on April 09, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
I saw something similar to this in the Portland Press Herald http://www.pressherald.com/sports/boston-college-reaches-final_2010-04-09.html (at the bottom of the article).  One difference is that Curry is not included in the new 9 team conference according to the article.  Which to my makes sense, but I guess what doesn't make much sense is a 9-team conference.  8 conference games make sense for most other sports but, how will it work out in basketball, an unbalanced schedule?

What are other peoples thoughts, looks like the NH teams will have to find a new home.

The article states UNE plus 8 other institutions but only lists 7 institutions plus UNE.  My guess is an editorial error.  There are a number of 9-team (or odd number-teamed) Conferences out there.  Every Conference date there is one team with a bye.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on April 09, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
16 league games, just like the old days
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 11, 2010, 07:50:35 PM
Someone said the the new conference will not have an AQ for tournaments for any sport, is this true?  It can't be, I am guessing there might be a one year waiting period before the new conference gets an AQ, but then they should have all the rights and responsibilities that they have now.  Does anyone know the answers to this question?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2010, 08:18:08 PM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on April 11, 2010, 07:50:35 PM
Someone said the the new conference will not have an AQ for tournaments for any sport, is this true?  It can't be, I am guessing there might be a one year waiting period before the new conference gets an AQ, but then they should have all the rights and responsibilities that they have now.  Does anyone know the answers to this question?
The new conference will be put into Pool B for 2 years, as we have seen with the Landmark Conference, the UMAC, and the New England Collegiate Conference (NECC).  The New Conference should have its AQ's by 2013-14.

The TCCC will retain the AQ and have 2 years to add affiliates or new members to get up to the seven required members per sport.  There are some specific rules such as sponsoring 5 men's and 5 women's sports, at least one in each season and 3 sports must be team sports.  It will take 7 participants to keep the AQ.

Corrections to this post are appreciated, but that is the gist of the challenge to those remaining in the TCCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2010, 08:27:06 PM
My first thought was, "Who joins in the New England shuffle?"

I think that we once discussed the New England "pecking order" as something like this.

NESCAC
NEWMAC
LEC
TCCC/MASCAC
GNAC
NAC
NECC

What do we have now?

NESCAC
NEWMAC
LEC  (Public)
New Conference (Private)/MASCAC(Public)
TCCC
GNAC
NAC
NECC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on April 12, 2010, 12:31:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2010, 08:27:06 PM
My first thought was, "Who joins in the New England shuffle?"

I think that we once discussed the New England "pecking order" as something like this.

NESCAC
NEWMAC
LEC
TCCC/MASCAC
GNAC
NAC
NECC

What do we have now?

NESCAC
NEWMAC
LEC  (Public)
New Conference (Private)/MASCAC(Public)
TCCC
GNAC
NAC
NECC


I would think the remaining 5 in the TCCC would fall lower than that, as it stands now.  Those teams were a combined 48-79 (24-41) last year.  The top of the GNAC (Albertus Magnus, Emerson, St. Joseph's) and NECC (Elms, Becker, and Wheelock) will be stronger than the top of the remaining TCC (Colby-Sawyer, Anna Maria, Regis), so only the NAC will be comparable (although they could be stronger also).

If I had to rank them, it would be NESCAC, NEWMAC, LEC, MASCAC, New Conference, GNAC, NECC, TCCC, and NAC.  That is all based heavily on last year, though, as a many teams lose a whole bunch of their fire powerv (Gordon, Emerson, etc), while others return nearly everyone (MIT, Albertus Magnus).  Things can obviously shift year to year, but the 5 remaining TCCC teams are not overly impressive.  The best record of any of those 5 teams last year was 15-12.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 12, 2010, 08:31:15 AM

The CCC will obviously try to pick up a couple schools to keep the AQ, but a few things here really make little sense to me.  The biggest being why Colby-Sawyer wasn't included in the move.

We'll have to see about Curry.  If it is indeed a nine team conference it probably has something to do with the smaller sports - I'm not up on who participates in what at this point.

As we've seen with other moves in NE recently, there may still be a number of changes forthcoming.

I don't expect Colby-Sawyer to stay in the CCC unless they have no other options.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2010, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on April 12, 2010, 12:31:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2010, 08:27:06 PM
My first thought was, "Who joins in the New England shuffle?"

I think that we once discussed the New England "pecking order" as something like this.

NESCAC
NEWMAC
LEC
TCCC/MASCAC
GNAC
NAC
NECC

What do we have now?

NESCAC
NEWMAC
LEC  (Public)
New Conference (Private)/MASCAC(Public)
TCCC
GNAC
NAC
NECC


I would think the remaining 5 in the TCCC would fall lower than that, as it stands now.  Those teams were a combined 48-79 (24-41) last year.  The top of the GNAC (Albertus Magnus, Emerson, St. Joseph's) and NECC (Elms, Becker, and Wheelock) will be stronger than the top of the remaining TCC (Colby-Sawyer, Anna Maria, Regis), so only the NAC will be comparable (although they could be stronger also).

If I had to rank them, it would be NESCAC, NEWMAC, LEC, MASCAC, New Conference, GNAC, NECC, TCCC, and NAC.  That is all based heavily on last year, though, as a many teams lose a whole bunch of their fire powerv (Gordon, Emerson, etc), while others return nearly everyone (MIT, Albertus Magnus).  Things can obviously shift year to year, but the 5 remaining TCCC teams are not overly impressive.  The best record of any of those 5 teams last year was 15-12.
Does that ranking of athletic competency/emphasis/prowess extend to sports other than basketball?  You can leave out football (NEFC) if you wish.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on April 12, 2010, 12:47:04 PM
I was just doing it for basketball, I dont follow any other sports closely on the collegiate level (except D1 football).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 12, 2010, 07:12:46 PM

I guess I was a year late on this announcement.  There must really have been either some intense fighting or intense secrecy to this whole thing.  I expected a few of the remaining CCC schools to be contacted by the NECC.  In a perfect world, the "leftovers" would have left the conference and kept the top teams in the CCC and not forfeited the AQ.

I'm just not sure what the new CCC will look like.  I don't think it will end up pretty.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2010, 07:18:32 PM
Here is my post from the Future of Division III Board for our consideration.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2010, 07:15:57 PM
I have placed this quote from an archival post that I made in Feb 2009 on the board for our consideration.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2009, 08:09:29 PM
NEAC-NAC affiliation (http://www.nacathletics.com/news/NEAC_partnership) for baseball, women's lacrosse, and men's and women's tennis.

Here is some creative leadership among these two conferences to maintain an AQ bid.

This preserves the opportunities for student-athletes in these sports.

QuoteFeb 4, 2009

NAC, NEAC enter partnership to expand associate membership

The North Atlantic Conference (NAC) and North Eastern Athletic Conference (NEAC) have entered into a partnership to expand associate membership. The NEAC will gain associate members in the sports of baseball and women's tennis while the NAC will add members for  men's tennis and women's lacrosse.

The partnership, which impacts nearly all of the current NEAC and NAC membership, provides a conference championship opportunity for student-athletes of both geographically diverse conferences.

"The North Atlantic Conference is committed to providing equitable opportunities for our student-athletes in all sports," said Dave Wolk, President of Castleton State College and Chair of the NAC Presidents Council. "This partnership will help us meet this goal in sports where conference sponsorship is limited. Both conferences support the Division III philosophy and we welcome the opportunity to join with like-minded institutions to ensure the best possible experiences for all student-athletes."

In the sport of baseball, NAC members Castleton, Husson, Lyndon St., Maine-Farmington and Thomas will join the NEAC as associate members. Divisional play will begin in the spring of 2010. Each division will hold a championship and the two divisional champions will meet for a three game series to determine the conference champion. The conference championship site will rotate between the WEST (hosted at either SUNY Cobleskill or SUNYIT) and the EAST (hosted by Castleton). The NEAC will maintain the automatic qualifier they currently hold to the NCAA Division III Championship.

NEAC members Cazenovia, College of St. Elizabeth, Keuka, Penn. St-Abington, Wells and Wilson will join the NAC as associate members in women's lacrosse. Medaille, a current NEAC associate member, will join the NAC as well. Divisional play will begin in the spring of 2010. Each division will hold a championship and the two divisional champions will meet for a conference champion game. The conference championship site will rotate between the EAST (hosted at either Castleton or Green Mountain) and the WEST (hosted by SUNYIT or SUNY Cobleskill). Beginning in 2010, the NAC will begin a two year waiting period to qualify for an automatic bid to the NCAA Division III Championship.

A similar divisional structure will begin for men's and women's tennis in the spring of 2010. NAC members Castleton, Johnson St., Lyndon St. and Thomas will join the NEAC as associate members in women's tennis. Divisional play for the EAST will be in the fall with a divisional champion crowned. The WEST division will compete in the spring and the two divisional champions will meet for the conference championship in the spring. The NEAC will maintain the automatic qualifier they currently hold to the NCAA Division III Championship.

In men's tennis, NEAC members Keuka, Penn St.-Abington, Penn St.-Berks, Penn St.-Harrisburg and SUNY Cobleskill will join the NAC as associate members. SUNY Oneonta, a current NEAC associate member, will join the NAC as well. Both divisions will compete in the spring with the divisional winners meeting for the conference championship. In 2010, the NAC will begin a two year waiting period to qualify for an automatic bid to the NCAA Division III Championship.

"I think this new initiative presents a great opportunity for our Conference and our student athletes," said Keuka College President Dr. Joseph G. Burke who currently serves as Chair of the NEAC President's Council. "We increase our regional exposure and our student athletes have the opportunity to play against teams that they would not normally have the opportunity to play."

NEAC Sponsored Sports    
Baseball
       
EAST
Castleton
Husson
Lyndon St.
Maine-Farmington
Thomas

WEST
Cazenovia
Keuka
Penn St.-Abington
Penn St.-Berks
Penn St.-Harrisburg
SUNY Cobleskill
SUNYIT
   
Women's Tennis
EAST
Castleton
Johnson St.
Lyndon St.
Thoma

WEST
Col. of St. Elizabeth
Keuka
Penn St.-Abington
Penn St.-Berks
Penn St.-Harrisburg
SUNY Cobleskill
Wells
Wilson

NAC Sponsored Sports   
Men's Tennis


EAST
Castleton
Green Mountain
Johnson St.
Lyndon St.
Thomas

WEST
Keuka
Penn St.-Abington
Penn St.-Berks
Penn St.-Harrisburg
SUNY Cobleskill
SUNY Oneonta
   
Women's Lacrosse
EAST
Green Mountain
Husson
Maine-Farmington
Thomas

WEST
Cazenovia
Col. of St. Elizabeth
Keuka
Medaille
Penn St.-Abington
Wells
Wilson

Copied for archival purposes...
With the departure of 9 schools from The Commonwealth Coast Conference, leaving 5 schools in the TCCC, is there are chance that the North Atlantic Conference picks up some of the TCCC's remaining schools?

How about an affiliation agreement between the TCCC and the NAC in about 2013-14 when the AQ for TCCC has expired?  The NEAC is in a position to pick up any PSU-schools that want to move to D-III.  We already have PSU-Abington and SUNY-Cobleskill in the provisional pipeline for the NEAC.

It looks like some shuffling will occur.
Is the North Atlantic Conference just not a good geographic fit?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 13, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
I don't see the remaining teams matched up too well in terms of sports sponsored.  Again I find it hard to believe they'll add teams.  Obviously there was no way for the other nine to expel these members or they would have done so and kept all the AQs.

I think the NAC makes sense for NEC and maybe Colby-Sawyer.  CSC has always seemed to enjoy being a big fish in a small pond, but the NAC might be too small a pond for their liking.

I wonder if the GNAC or the NECC might consider adding two teams (AMC, Regis, or ENC would make some sense here).

The issue is having five teams.  Often a conference doesn't want to end up with odd numbers.

I suspect the first move would be for the remaining CCC teams to pick off a few schools, especially from the NECC where there's no AQ yet.

With Anna Maria, ENC, Regis, Becker, Wheelock, Lesley, Newbury, and Daniel Webster - you'd have eight schools no more than an hour apart of a similar size and with similar athletic departments.

Becker doesn't run XC, Wheelock and Regis have no baseball teams (but both are women's schools transitioning to co-ed recently so that may be a future addition).  This conference could run a full slate of baseball/softball, m/w soccer, m/w XC, m/w Tennis, m/w Basketball, and w Volleyball pretty much from the get-go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2010, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 13, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
I don't see the remaining teams matched up too well in terms of sports sponsored.  Again I find it hard to believe they'll add teams.  Obviously there was no way for the other nine to expel these members or they would have done so and kept all the AQs.

I think the NAC makes sense for NEC and maybe Colby-Sawyer.  CSC has always seemed to enjoy being a big fish in a small pond, but the NAC might be too small a pond for their liking.

I wonder if the GNAC or the NECC might consider adding two teams (AMC, Regis, or ENC would make some sense here).

The issue is having five teams.  Often a conference doesn't want to end up with odd numbers.

I suspect the first move would be for the remaining CCC teams to pick off a few schools, especially from the NECC where there's no AQ yet.

With Anna Maria, ENC, Regis, Becker, Wheelock, Lesley, Newbury, and Daniel Webster - you'd have eight schools no more than an hour apart of a similar size and with similar athletic departments.

Becker doesn't run XC, Wheelock and Regis have no baseball teams (but both are women's schools transitioning to co-ed recently so that may be a future addition).  This conference could run a full slate of baseball/softball, m/w soccer, m/w XC, m/w Tennis, m/w Basketball, and w Volleyball pretty much from the get-go.

NECC should earn its AQ this summer for the 2010-11 season.

Lesley is adding baseball in 2011.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 14, 2010, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2010, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 13, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
I don't see the remaining teams matched up too well in terms of sports sponsored.  Again I find it hard to believe they'll add teams.  Obviously there was no way for the other nine to expel these members or they would have done so and kept all the AQs.

I think the NAC makes sense for NEC and maybe Colby-Sawyer.  CSC has always seemed to enjoy being a big fish in a small pond, but the NAC might be too small a pond for their liking.

I wonder if the GNAC or the NECC might consider adding two teams (AMC, Regis, or ENC would make some sense here).

The issue is having five teams.  Often a conference doesn't want to end up with odd numbers.

I suspect the first move would be for the remaining CCC teams to pick off a few schools, especially from the NECC where there's no AQ yet.

With Anna Maria, ENC, Regis, Becker, Wheelock, Lesley, Newbury, and Daniel Webster - you'd have eight schools no more than an hour apart of a similar size and with similar athletic departments.

Becker doesn't run XC, Wheelock and Regis have no baseball teams (but both are women's schools transitioning to co-ed recently so that may be a future addition).  This conference could run a full slate of baseball/softball, m/w soccer, m/w XC, m/w Tennis, m/w Basketball, and w Volleyball pretty much from the get-go.

NECC should earn its AQ this summer for the 2010-11 season.

Lesley is adding baseball in 2011.

Well then, I suspect the Mass teams from the CCC will be looking to get in there or the GNAC.  I think the NECC is more likely to take them.

NEC is a good fit for the NAC - maybe they can convince CSC to go with them.

I'm not sure the remaining CCC teams have the credibility or clout to get teams to leave a conference to join them.  I do feel bad for the CCC Commissioner; the conference existed for more than two decades without one, now they hire one and he gets two or three seasons before he's out of a job.  Although, he may be going to the new conference with everyone else.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on April 15, 2010, 05:53:27 PM
There was a meeting between the presidents of 10 schools. Based on information provided by AD's and SID's for lack of a better phrase everyone was not invited to the party. The information given covered a few areas.... What schools had for facilities and fields. How well they have faired in league play with their various sports and how well they report results etc. The schools invited fit the criteria for the party. There was a vote taken about starting a new conference. The vote went in alphabet order. The first school to vote abstain. The other nine schools voted yes. The first school did not get a chance to vote again. That is what I heard, you guys can figure it out who the lone school to abstain was......... Again I was not there. Time will tell how this plays out. Hey if not for that this board would be dormant now. Everyone have a great summer and remember GO C???????
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on April 15, 2010, 07:22:43 PM
Not saying I don't buy your story but I highly doubt that AMC, one of the weaker schools both academically, athletically, and facility wise in the current TCCC was asked to the meeting, and a school like CSC was left out.  Maybe I am wrong, but that is just my feeling. 

Over all I think this "cutting of the fat" so to speak, makes this new conferences one of the top overall conferences in the New England for all sports, not just basketball.  I would rate the conferences as follows:

1. NESCAC
2. NEWMAC
3. NEW Conference/LEC
4. MASCAC
5. GNAC/NAC
6. NECC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on April 15, 2010, 10:11:36 PM
Does anyone have any idea what other school the new conference will target to get a automatic bid?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2010, 11:04:25 PM
Sports sponsored by the current members of TCCC.  Football is not sponsored by the TCCC.  Seven (7) members, including 4 full members, must offer a sport to earn the AQ.  The conference must have 7 full members offering 5 men's and 5 women's sports including 3 team sports, and one sport in each season.

New Conf School    WBBWXCFH  WLaxWSocSB   WTenWVBBB  MBBMXCMLaxMSocMTenMGolfFB
Curry+NoNo++++2010++No+++No+
Endicott++++++++++++++++
Gordon++++++++++++++NoNo
Nichols+No+++++No++No+++++
Roger Wms   ++No+++++++++++NoNo
Salve Regina++++++++++++++No+
UNE++++++No+No++++No+No
Wentworth+NoNoNo++++++No++++No
WNE++++++++++++++++
New Conf9668998889699855



TCCC School          WBBWXCFH  WLaxWSocSB    WTenWVBBB    MBBMXCMLaxMSocMTenMGolfFB
Anna Marie++++++++++++++++
Colby-Sawyer++2010++No++++NoNo++NoNo
E. Naz++NoNo+++++++No++NoNo
NEC+No++++NoNo+++++NoNoNo
Regis+No++++++No+No+++NoNo
TCCC5344544445335411

Corrections are appreciated.


Thanks to Hoops Fan for proofreading the table, and thanks to Bill Gorman for the information.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 15, 2010, 11:36:36 PM
Quote from: akirk on April 15, 2010, 10:11:36 PM
Does anyone have any idea what other school the new conference will target to get a automatic bid?

They'll let CSC in, if CSC really wants in.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 15, 2010, 11:38:28 PM

Ralph, ENC does have baseball.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2010, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 15, 2010, 11:36:36 PM
Quote from: akirk on April 15, 2010, 10:11:36 PM
Does anyone have any idea what other school the new conference will target to get a automatic bid?

They'll let CSC in, if CSC really wants in.
But, Anna Marie would bring more sports to impact the AQ's.    :-\
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on April 16, 2010, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: akirk on April 15, 2010, 10:11:36 PM
Does anyone have any idea what other school the new conference will target to get a automatic bid?

You only need 7 teams to get an AQ, so they dont need to let in any more.  They will just need to wait two years once the conference is formed (again, just talking about basketball, not XC, or FH).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on April 16, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
Anna Maria was not invited. Colby Sawyer was invited. They out of the schools invited abstain. The other nine schools that were invited voted yes. Get it?????????
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on April 16, 2010, 10:39:55 PM
Aaron Trigg, Jon Chaloux, Mark Mastrullo, and Matt Abbott were selected to play in the 2010 NEBC All-Star game at Babson this Sunday and will represent the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on April 17, 2010, 07:19:47 PM
Curry has men's soccer and is adding women's volleyball next year; UNE does not have baseball; Colby-Sawyer is adding field hockey next year
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 18, 2010, 08:26:29 PM

CSC wasn't the abstention; they weren't at the meeting.  AMC makes sense, since they sponsor so many sports - and they do come before Curry alphabetically, so that would fit the story we had.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on April 20, 2010, 07:17:27 PM
Hoops, COLBY/ CURRY . CO before CU.They were asked to vote first. They were not comfortable with the process. They elected to pass. After the vote they were not given an opportunity to vote again. AMC, Regis, NEC and Eastern Nazz was not invited. Not that any of this matters it was not in control of anyone that post here on this board. All upper level stuff. Hope everyone has a great summer and let's all enjoy the last hurrah of TCCC as we know it!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 21, 2010, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: boston ball 56 on April 20, 2010, 07:17:27 PM
Hoops, COLBY/ CURRY . CO before CU.They were asked to vote first. They were not comfortable with the process. They elected to pass. After the vote they were not given an opportunity to vote again. AMC, Regis, NEC and Eastern Nazz was not invited. Not that any of this matters it was not in control of anyone that post here on this board. All upper level stuff. Hope everyone has a great summer and let's all enjoy the last hurrah of TCCC as we know it!

So you were there representing Curry?  If so, that would trump the info I received about CSC not being invited.  I suppose I have to bow to a personal testimony.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on April 21, 2010, 11:47:10 AM
Just wanted to note that the four schools not invited (Anna Maria, ENC, NEC, and Regis) have enrollments under 1,000.  CSC also fits into that category which could explain the controversy surrouding whether or not they were invited.  Every other school has over 1,000 students.  Not saying this has anything to do with it, but it is interesting.  Maybe the CCC will become New England's very small-college conference by definition in the future.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 21, 2010, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on April 21, 2010, 11:47:10 AM
Just wanted to note that the four schools not invited (Anna Maria, ENC, NEC, and Regis) have enrollments under 1,000.  CSC also fits into that category which could explain the controversy surrouding whether or not they were invited.  Every other school has over 1,000 students.  Not saying this has anything to do with it, but it is interesting.  Maybe the CCC will become New England's very small-college conference by definition in the future.

Yeah, the schools selected all have a much more similar profile.  It's why I wasn't surprised CSC didn't end up there.  I was just going on info I got from someone I thought would know better than I. The info here from Curry is probably more reliable.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on May 22, 2010, 11:45:07 AM
Anna Maria will be leaving TCCC at the end of 10-11 to join the GNAC.

http://www.annamaria.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: number1chargerfan on May 26, 2010, 11:00:20 AM
Hope this helps..e-mail to the CSC community regarding the situation...

To:  Colby-Sawyer College Community
From: College Communications
Re:  Status of Athletic Conference
Date: 4-16-2010
For the past 16 years, College Sawyer College has been a proud and successful member of The Commonwealth Coast Conference (TCCC). Ten of our varsity teams have engaged in intercollegiate competition in this conference and have collectively won 18 conference championships since joining in 1994.

In March 2010, Colby-Sawyer was one of a group of TCCC institutions invited to participate in a conversation about potentially disbanding the conference and starting a new one. Because the proposed process would not include all TCCC members, President Tom Galligan—a member of TCCC Board of Directors—chose not to participate and expressed to all of our fellow TCCC members the college's perspective on the process and our desire to remain neutral in these deliberations.

"I felt strongly that if we were going to discuss the future of the conference and its members, we should do that with everyone in the room, face-to-face," said President Galligan. "As a director of TCCC, I owe a duty of loyalty to the entity and, just as importantly, I feel an obligation of mutual respect to my colleagues and fellow directors. Colby-Sawyer believes that if we are to deliberate or take action on changes in the composition of our membership or to disband the conference, all the representatives of our membership should be present and able to participate in the decision."

On April 5, 2010, an announcement about the formation of a new conference was released by nine TCCC institutions including Curry, Gordon, Endicott, Nichols, Roger Williams, Salve Regina, the University of New England, Wentworth and Western New England. Following the announcement, Colby-Sawyer officially submitted application for membership in this new alliance and was denied entry as a charter member.

All 14 schools will participate in TCCC competition in the 2010-2011 academic year. Colby-Sawyer and the other TCCC members that did not participate in creating the new conference will consider the best options for their individual institutions, as well as for the future of TCCC.

"We will continue to explore options with like institutions that value athletics and strive to provide high quality competitive experiences for their intercollegiate athletic teams," said President Galligan. "Colby-Sawyer has demonstrated a strong commitment to our intercollegiate athletic programs, and our goal is to ensure the continuation of a high level of competition for our student-athletes."

Athletic Director Deb McGrath said, "The fracturing of TCCC is regrettable, but at this juncture Colby-Sawyer will align with those institutions that will provide our student-athletes with the best quality competitive experience across the board."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 26, 2010, 11:26:02 PM

Sounds like a lot of bad blood going around.  I'll be in the area in a couple weeks - we'll see if I can corner some people and get a better perspective on everything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on July 01, 2010, 12:48:31 PM
Anyone have any updates on the new conference?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 02, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on July 01, 2010, 12:48:31 PM
Anyone have any updates on the new conference?

There's still a year before everything pans out.  I suspect the four remaining schools will be working through the summer to figure something out.

It behooves them to try and grab at least three more schools to keep the AQ.  We'll see if they can get it figured out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
TCCC Breakup (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2010/07/06/two-more-leave-as-tccc-breakup-continues.html)

Where do Regis and ENU land?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on July 06, 2010, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
TCCC Breakup (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2010/07/06/two-more-leave-as-tccc-breakup-continues.html)

Where do Regis and ENU land?

Doesnt the TCCC get a 2 or 3 year grace period to get up to 7 members?

Could Regis and ENU technically stay in the conference for a couple years and just play eachother for an AQ until the grace period is up?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2010, 11:32:47 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on July 06, 2010, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
TCCC Breakup (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2010/07/06/two-more-leave-as-tccc-breakup-continues.html)

Where do Regis and ENU land?

Doesnt the TCCC get a 2 or 3 year grace period to get up to 7 members?

Could Regis and ENU technically stay in the conference for a couple years and just play eachother for an AQ until the grace period is up?
I think that a conference must have 6 teams to be considered a conference, and four must offer the sport to be considered official!

(Need help with this one.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on July 07, 2010, 12:02:11 AM
I read a little of the DIII manual, and it sounds like they can notify the TCCC they are no longer considered a conference as long as they have less than 6 member teams and they let them know by November 1 (before the convention).

Quoted directly from the DIII Manual:

3.3.5 Loss of Member-Conference Status.
3.3.5.1 Termination or Suspension. The membership of any member conference failing to maintain the
academic or athletics standards required for membership or failing to meet the conditions and obligations of
membership may be suspended or terminated or otherwise disciplined by the Management Council, on the
recommendation of the Membership Committee. Membership shall not be suspended or terminated unless:
(Revised: 1/14/02)
(a) Notice of intention to suspend or terminate membership, stating the grounds on which such motion will
be based, is given in writing to the president of this Association and to the president or chancellor of the
member conference on or before the first day of November prior to the Convention; (Revised: 10/3/05)
(b) The Presidents Council approves the notification of intention to move for suspension or termination; and
(c) Such notice is included in the Official Notice of the annual Convention.
3.3.5.1.1 Cessation of Rights and Privileges. All rights and privileges of the member shall cease on
any termination or suspension of conference membership.

I dont know if that means that they would need to notify them by this November 1, or if they could notify them after practices start for the 2011-2012 season in November 2011.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 07, 2010, 03:43:07 PM


Regis and ENC would both be geographic fits in the GNAC - bringing them to 16 women's affiliates and 13 men's affiliates.

I'm not sure ENC will head that direction, but Regis might.  They've got past relationships with many of those schools.

With the state of ENC's athletic department these days, they might just be content to pick up games where they can and stay independent.  There's just not a lot of resources there to make them attractive to a conference.

Regis and ENC could both go to the NECC, bringing them to 10 schools (11 for women).  If Bay Path is going to add men's sports and I think I heard that its in the plans eventually - one team to the GNAC and one to the NECC might be the best option for the conferences involved.

It's a bit crazy, but I'm sure these schools have applied for admission somewhere - we just haven't seen responses yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 20, 2010, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 07, 2010, 03:43:07 PM


Regis and ENC would both be geographic fits in the GNAC - bringing them to 16 women's affiliates and 13 men's affiliates.

I'm not sure ENC will head that direction, but Regis might.  They've got past relationships with many of those schools.

With the state of ENC's athletic department these days, they might just be content to pick up games where they can and stay independent.  There's just not a lot of resources there to make them attractive to a conference.

Regis and ENC could both go to the NECC, bringing them to 10 schools (11 for women).  If Bay Path is going to add men's sports and I think I heard that its in the plans eventually - one team to the GNAC and one to the NECC might be the best option for the conferences involved.

It's a bit crazy, but I'm sure these schools have applied for admission somewhere - we just haven't seen responses yet.

Regis to NECC. (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2010+news+stories/july+latest+news/division+i+gains+two+new+members%2C+loses+two+others+to+division+iii)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 21, 2010, 04:34:40 PM

And then there was one.

So, if my Alma Mater decides to just be the only team in the CCC, can I keep this board to just talk to myself?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: LionShare on July 23, 2010, 10:21:00 PM
Whats up fellas. Im new to the game but I have been a follower for a while, watching from a far. II guess I picked a great time to join considering the CCC is dividing.

I am an alumni of the glorious Eastern Nazarene College but I am still very close to the AD and have a great relationship with many of the current basketball players and coaches.

I hope to provide incite, notices, scores and updates, and whatever hot happening that I can to the board. No worries, I guess it'll just be us two alumnus (Hoops Dream)  talking on the board ENC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on August 28, 2010, 09:17:40 AM
Gordon's schedule is posted and it seems to me, a bit stronger than in the past, which is nice.  Any thoughts?  Interestingly, there is no Gordon Tourney this year, they will be playing at an Endicott Tourney early.  I went on the Endicott site to see if they had anything posted as to who else would be there but nothing yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on August 31, 2010, 02:26:11 PM
Gordon is in serious trouble this year. Not much left in the way of players. Schedule looks like the wrong year to load up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on August 31, 2010, 07:08:49 PM
Who is Berkeley?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on August 31, 2010, 10:58:01 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on August 31, 2010, 07:08:49 PM
Who is Berkeley?

My guess is that it is the Berkeley College in New York/New Jersey. They have a multitude of campuses in the Tri-State area (NY, NJ, CT) and two basketball teams (one from NYC and one from NJ).

Last year, the NYC team played Endicott in New York. The Gulls won 72-64.

http://www.berkeleycollege.edu/athletics/mens/basketball.htm (http://www.berkeleycollege.edu/athletics/mens/basketball.htm)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on September 01, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
So at least that one appears like a pretty winnable non-conference game, although it won't help them too much on the D3 landscape.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on September 02, 2010, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on September 01, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
So at least that one appears like a pretty winnable non-conference game, although it won't help them too much on the D3 landscape.

I don't think it was meant to 'do much on the D3 landscape.' The rest of Gordon's non-con is solid. Not a cupcake fest, and not a gauntlet.

There is no question that Gordon will take a step or two down in terms of talent and projectable results, but I do believe that David Dempsey and a few others will keep Gordon competitive even in the tough games against the NESCAC, MIT, and Husson.

Not entirely sure what the CCC will do in the last year of it's existence. The teams don't seem overwhelmingly talented, so mediocrity might be the theme for 2010-11.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 02, 2010, 03:17:14 PM
Quote from: scout on September 02, 2010, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on September 01, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
So at least that one appears like a pretty winnable non-conference game, although it won't help them too much on the D3 landscape.

I don't think it was meant to 'do much on the D3 landscape.' The rest of Gordon's non-con is solid. Not a cupcake fest, and not a gauntlet.

There is no question that Gordon will take a step or two down in terms of talent and projectable results, but I do believe that David Dempsey and a few others will keep Gordon competitive even in the tough games against the NESCAC, MIT, and Husson.

Not entirely sure what the CCC will do in the last year of it's existence. The teams don't seem overwhelmingly talented, so mediocrity might be the theme for 2010-11.

Medicority is always the theme in the CCC.  There have been maybe 3 standout years in the past 12 for Men's basketball.  It might be the mediocrity that they're trying to run away from with the new conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on September 03, 2010, 09:00:30 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 02, 2010, 03:17:14 PM
Quote from: scout on September 02, 2010, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on September 01, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
So at least that one appears like a pretty winnable non-conference game, although it won't help them too much on the D3 landscape.

I don't think it was meant to 'do much on the D3 landscape.' The rest of Gordon's non-con is solid. Not a cupcake fest, and not a gauntlet.

There is no question that Gordon will take a step or two down in terms of talent and projectable results, but I do believe that David Dempsey and a few others will keep Gordon competitive even in the tough games against the NESCAC, MIT, and Husson.

Not entirely sure what the CCC will do in the last year of it's existence. The teams don't seem overwhelmingly talented, so mediocrity might be the theme for 2010-11.

Medicority is always the theme in the CCC.  There have been maybe 3 standout years in the past 12 for Men's basketball.  It might be the mediocrity that they're trying to run away from with the new conference.

I agree with you. It was less an epiphany and more a reinforcing statement.

Unfortunately, when the majority of the schools that contribute to the mediocrity are still going to be in the same new conference, I think we can expect mediocrity to continue for the foreseeable future.

Any ideas who might escape the mud just enough to win the conference this year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on September 03, 2010, 01:04:32 PM
Look for University of New England to be strong this upcoming season with two all-TCCC players (Anthony Johnson and Quentin Thompson - Defensive POY) returning for their junior season.  Colby-Sawyer and Curry should be also be strong, and Endicott should be a stronger than last.  Pretty much the usual favorites and usual bottom feeders.

No team will be head and shoulders above the rest.  Don't disregard Gordon this year either.  While a lot of talent has disappeard, a lot of talent has also shifted.  If the new guards can pound the ball inside to Greg Walker and David Dempsey enough, those two can put up the points win games.  I'm interested to see how well Tod Murphy did recruiting.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: LionShare on September 12, 2010, 05:36:56 PM
Although, its a long shot as usual but I think ENC will make a little noise in this last stand of the TCCC...

They return 4 starters, including Chima Ezeigbo who made 2nd team while only playing half the season and their starting point guard DeAngelo Alston who was injured with a foot fracture and missed the entire season

Combined with a mediocre non-con sched. This maybe a good season. Safe to call them the "dark horse" for the 2011 season?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on September 13, 2010, 08:27:52 AM
Seeing as the all conference awards are generally based on play in the conference. and all the conference games are in the second semester. The whole "he only played half the year" qualifier is somewhat irrelevant.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 13, 2010, 11:08:08 PM
Quote from: LionShare on September 12, 2010, 05:36:56 PM
Although, its a long shot as usual but I think ENC will make a little noise in this last stand of the TCCC...

They return 4 starters, including Chima Ezeigbo who made 2nd team while only playing half the season and their starting point guard DeAngelo Alston who was injured with a foot fracture and missed the entire season

Combined with a mediocre non-con sched. This maybe a good season. Safe to call them the "dark horse" for the 2011 season?

Just FYI - we can see you email address, so being up front about any bias will help your cause.

I think ENC's got a decent starting five.  There seems to be a bit of a drop off on the bench.  That plus a lack of experience might hurt a little at first.  Hopefully they'll be improving and more of a challenge than in previous years.

There's no real reason to hype them up though; in this ENC situation it's better to keep the pressure off.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on September 20, 2010, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 13, 2010, 11:08:08 PM
Quote from: LionShare on September 12, 2010, 05:36:56 PM
Although, its a long shot as usual but I think ENC will make a little noise in this last stand of the TCCC...

They return 4 starters, including Chima Ezeigbo who made 2nd team while only playing half the season and their starting point guard DeAngelo Alston who was injured with a foot fracture and missed the entire season

Combined with a mediocre non-con sched. This maybe a good season. Safe to call them the "dark horse" for the 2011 season?

Just FYI - we can see you email address, so being up front about any bias will help your cause.

I think ENC's got a decent starting five.  There seems to be a bit of a drop off on the bench.  That plus a lack of experience might hurt a little at first.  Hopefully they'll be improving and more of a challenge than in previous years.

There's no real reason to hype them up though; in this ENC situation it's better to keep the pressure off.


LOL.  Concealing your identity is a must before referring to oneself in the third person.  LOL.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 27, 2010, 01:25:50 PM

Some big CCC news coming down the pike soon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on September 28, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
Gordon will be taking a huge step down from where they've been over the last 6 or 7 years. they have some talent in Walker and Dempsey but after that it drops off a cliff. after seeing some of the "recruiting" that was done in the offseason it was pretty clear how mediocre this team will be next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on September 29, 2010, 08:24:13 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 27, 2010, 01:25:50 PM

Some big CCC news coming down the pike soon.

Any idea about what?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 29, 2010, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: scout on September 29, 2010, 08:24:13 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 27, 2010, 01:25:50 PM

Some big CCC news coming down the pike soon.

Any idea about what?

Yeah, but I don't feel comfortable breaking this one before it goes public.  Let's just say we're not going to have to get rid of this board.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on September 30, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 29, 2010, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: scout on September 29, 2010, 08:24:13 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 27, 2010, 01:25:50 PM

Some big CCC news coming down the pike soon.

Any idea about what?

Yeah, but I don't feel comfortable breaking this one before it goes public.  Let's just say we're not going to have to get rid of this board.

I can respect that. I just want something to talk about on this board...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: LionShare on September 30, 2010, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on September 20, 2010, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 13, 2010, 11:08:08 PM
Quote from: LionShare on September 12, 2010, 05:36:56 PM
Although, its a long shot as usual but I think ENC will make a little noise in this last stand of the TCCC...

They return 4 starters, including Chima Ezeigbo who made 2nd team while only playing half the season and their starting point guard DeAngelo Alston who was injured with a foot fracture and missed the entire season

Combined with a mediocre non-con sched. This maybe a good season. Safe to call them the "dark horse" for the 2011 season?

Just FYI - we can see you email address, so being up front about any bias will help your cause.

I think ENC's got a decent starting five.  There seems to be a bit of a drop off on the bench.  That plus a lack of experience might hurt a little at first.  Hopefully they'll be improving and more of a challenge than in previous years.

There's no real reason to hype them up though; in this ENC situation it's better to keep the pressure off.


LOL.  Concealing your identity is a must before referring to oneself in the third person.  LOL.

This is DeAngelo Alston
To the posters on this board I am truly sorry. I was unaware of what was going on until it was brought to my attention from one of my teammates. My roomate hacked into my email as a prank and wrote the previous comments. I do not aim to disrespect anyone nor offend anyone from his comments. I respect the game too much and TCC for the opportuntiy it has blessed me with in playing basketball.

Again my deepest apologies and I hope that board members and friends alike will look past his childish antic
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 30, 2010, 04:51:48 PM

That's cool.  It's no real problem.  We don't even mind you posting so long as your coach is ok with it.

We've just had issues in the past with players and family of players logging on to pump themselves or their son/brother up and pretending to be other people.

It's actually a decently funny prank.  Although I'm guessing your coach didn't think so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2010, 09:16:57 PM
He has to break into your email to register, then again to confirm the registration and activate the account. That's a pretty big coincidence.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 01, 2010, 06:36:02 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2010, 09:16:57 PM
He has to break into your email to register, then again to confirm the registration and activate the account. That's a pretty big coincidence.


He could have registered himself.  The post didn't happen until weeks after his registration date.  We can give him the benefit of the doubt.  His coach saw the post so we can assume, if he's lying, the coach will also see that.  I have a little faith in my alma mater to admit students with some minimum levels of intelligence.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on October 06, 2010, 11:01:34 AM
Quote from: yeah buddy on September 28, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
Gordon will be taking a huge step down from where they've been over the last 6 or 7 years. they have some talent in Walker and Dempsey but after that it drops off a cliff. after seeing some of the "recruiting" that was done in the offseason it was pretty clear how mediocre this team will be next year.

Coach Schauer, while he had his struggles winning in the postseason, was one of the all-time recruiters in CCC history (the coach of UNE is also very good).  To get Aaron Trigg out of Kansas was no small feat.  Coach Murphy on the other hand, who I believe is naturally a great postseason coach, is not nearly on the same level as Schauer as a recruiter.  That being said, Murphy would have to be an incredible coach to win big games with his style of recruiting. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 06, 2010, 12:27:04 PM
if we're talking about great recruiters we should probably also mention Bill Foti who got that St Clair, Bray, Thorpe class up to Colby-Sawyer and also Tom Devitt who brought in 2 league players of the year (Blue and Doyle) one of whom (Blue) is playing overseas
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on October 13, 2010, 07:48:44 PM
doyle is also playing overseas for the north hampton neptunes....he dropped 42 in his pro debut
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: sixthman on October 16, 2010, 10:12:41 PM

Coach Schauer, while he had his struggles winning in the postseason, was one of the all-time recruiters in CCC history (the coach of UNE is also very good).  To get Aaron Trigg out of Kansas was no small feat.  Coach Murphy on the other hand, who I believe is naturally a great postseason coach, is not nearly on the same level as Schauer as a recruiter.  That being said, Murphy would have to be an incredible coach to win big games with his style of recruiting. 
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coach Schauer is one of the best recruiters in D3. He is a relentless worker.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2010, 10:01:31 AM

Teams are starting to get their schedules and rosters up.

AMC has 19 players listed, 11 of them freshman.  They're hosting Amherst in the last game before finals.

CSC has no roster yet.  They do host Middlebury just after Christmas, right before conference play begins.

No roster for Curry.  Their schedule is stacked, however.  They've got Babson and Brandeis to open the season.  They also play MIT, WPI, Salem State, and Amherst, not to mention a trip to Wilkes-Barre for games with King's and Wilkes.

ENC has 18 on their roster, 8 freshmen - still no height.  After Ezigbo they're 6'4" tops.  Nothing special as far as the schedule goes - a number of beatable teams, including a trip out west to play CalTech.

EC has no roster.  Schedule includes Clark, EConn, and Framingham; nothing spectacular.

No Gordon roster.  They've got a tough schedule - Babson, Bates, MIT, Salem State, although most of those games are at home.  We should know pretty quick how strong the squad is.

NEC has no roster and seems to specifically be seeking out the weakest possible opponents.  Nothing unusual here.

Nichols has no roster; they've got a typical schedule.  Most of their non-conference games are with teams close by.

Regis has no roster.  They're in the Williams tip-off tournament and they host Trinity.  Apparently the NESCAC is into road games vs the CCC this season.  Regis is also in the Salem State tournament and will play North Park in the opener.  WConn and Tufts are also on the schedule.

RWU lacks a roster.  They've got UMass-D on the schedule along with Conn Coll, RIC, and the Springfield tournament.

SRU has their roster minus the freshmen.  They're playing Bryant, headed to a tournament where they'll get Ramapo.  They play RIC and Conn Coll.

UNE has a roster up - four freshman, one 6'8", 200.  Schedule highlights - Colby, WPI, and Bates.

WIT has seven freshmen on the roster, a couple of small guards and an assortment of middling big men.  Their schedule includes an extra, non-con with Gordon and two tournaments in PA.  I'm planning to be in attendance at Widener on opening weekend, when they take on Rowan.

WNEC has no roster yet.  They've got games at Amherst and Hartwick, as well as one against Keene State.  They also play Lesley, which may be the most popular CCC non-con opponent this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 26, 2010, 01:20:17 PM
Hoopster, love your posts man and this is not your fault because nothing is labeled but that's last year's AMC roster.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2010, 04:26:23 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on October 26, 2010, 01:20:17 PM
Hoopster, love your posts man and this is not your fault because nothing is labeled but that's last year's AMC roster.

You're right.  I didn't even notice they hadn't changed the class for these guys.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 12, 2010, 08:29:21 AM
The season kicks off on Monday with a slate of teams playing the usual non-conference early season matchups.

Vassar (good ole Poughkeepsie, NY) @ Endicott - 7 PM
Wenworth @ Wheelock - 7 PM
Worcester State @ Salve Regina - 7 PM
UNE @ Southern Maine - 7:30 PM
UMaine-Augusta @ NEC - 7:30 PM
Plymouth State @ Colby-Sawyer - 7:30 PM
Johnson & Wales @ Roger Williams - 8 PM
Regis @ Lesley - 8 PM

Not sure how many people we'll have active on the board this year. I know HoopsFan and I will keep things up-to-date with scheduling and results, for the most part. There should be more parity in the league, but it's just too early for any concrete opinions.

Stay well... Games begin this week!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 12, 2010, 11:30:18 AM

I'm planning to go see Wentworth next week when they're down here playing Rowan in the Widener tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2010, 05:07:20 PM
UNE 2009-10 leading scorer Anthony Johnson has transfered to McMurry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on November 16, 2010, 08:16:28 AM
WIT goes down to Wheelock in overtime last night in its season opener...87-80.  Sam Herrick and Corey Therriault combined for 53 of WIT's 80 scoring 21 and 32.  Corey Simply couldnt miss from deep connecting on 9-14 (I guess he did miss) from behind the arc while Sam also pulled down 14 boards.  WIT could have easily put this one away as many layups and FT's (15-26) were missed, to boot 20 turnovers doesnt help...However it is the first game with a ton of new faces, lets just call it first game jitters.  Some Other guys need to produce but WIT showed spurts of brilliance really finding the open man and defending Wheelock well...But as we all know basketball games are not won in small spurts and teams must learn how to put it together for a whole 40, or at least 36.
Wheelocks Big man, Eric Rice was solid but not much of a post player.  Mainly looked for the midrange shot or the 3 ball.  Wheelocks guard Kyle Pierce was too quick for most and even though he stood about as tall as a lawn gnome (Generously Listed at 5'9" seemed more like 5'0") he used his speed really well and was able to drop 23 pts, 13 of them from the charity stripe.
If a few Freshman can be solid for WIT (saw potential from Matt Harte, Denzel Sanders, and Derek Mayo) and some of the other returners can show up on any given night then I like WIT's chances this year.  Obviously I am biased in this situation but whatever, I call it as I see it.  Great opening night atmosphere as Wheelock braught in bannana busses full of screaming girls to pack the middle school-esque gym of Pine Manor(I think its time to find a new Venue Wheelock)  Hopefully WIT can bounce back as they take on SOuthern Main On the 17th
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2010, 10:54:19 AM

Salve beat Worcester State 78-63.  Seniors Dan Royce and Windell Hinkson scored most of the points (39 combined), but SRU played 5 freshmen in their top 8.  Alex La Rosa from Salem, NH had a particularly impressive debut off the bench (3-5 from deep, 11 points, 3 assists, 2 steals).

Roger Williams over J&W 63-53.  Just off the bat I'd like to say, having a Sophomore guard named Grossbard might move RWU up my rooting list - as a big Seinfeld fan, I love it.  They started 2 Sophs and 3 seniors.  Three bench guys had more minutes than half the starters, including freshman Matt Couture from Manchester, NH - he had 7 boards, 5 points, 5 assists in 31 minutes.  Soph Center Matt Clifford led in scoring with 16.

Endicott over Vassar 70-66.  EC started two freshmen and a sophomore on the perimeter.  They also have five freshman in the top 8.  They were majorly outrebounded, but spread the scoring around.  Shooting was pretty poor, but they had a lot of steals and seem to have won on getting more possessions.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2010, 11:01:22 AM

CSC lost to Plymouth State 75-84.  CSC started two freshman big guys, including 15 and 6 from Center John Roberts and 19 and 6 from freshman forward Robbie Burke.  Two other guys in double figures.  Their shooting was decent, but they were outrebounded and had 4-20 A/T.  They also missed a third of their FTs.

NEC beat ME-Augusta 90-63; UNE lost to Southern ME 74-85.  No boxscores for either.

Regis beats Lesley 56-51.  Regis started a 6'5" freshman center and four seniors.  Decent perimeter defense, nothing really impressive.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on November 16, 2010, 09:01:34 PM
Husson smashed Gordon 88 - 42

either that's a bad misprint, or this season and they're future has nightmare written all over it

and might I add, they're freshman class stands at a whopping 5'8, 5'9, 6'0, 6'1, 6'2, 6'3, where's big men? not to mention the fact that a week and a half ago two of the heights were shorter when the roster first went up! adding inches to players?? HAHA! I'm really sorry to bring that up, but I had to say something
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2010, 12:47:07 AM
TCCC favorite Curry also lost to Babson tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on November 17, 2010, 08:00:10 AM
If this is a sign of things to come for Gordon, then we need a new coach who can actually recruit.  At this point, Gordon will struggle to win 10 games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2010, 08:50:21 AM

To pick up from Monday - NEC beat Maine-Augusta in a romp.  All but one player was under 20 minutes.  I don't know that we can tell much about NEC from this game.  Three freshmen got decent minutes off the bench, but that doesn't tell us anything in a blowout.  They are experienced - three seniors and two juniors in the starting line-up.

UNE lost to Southern Maine Monday.  Led by Junior Marcus Winn and his 24 points.  They started three juniors a soph and a freshman.  Attrocious shooting and 9-25 A/T ratio.

As for Tuesday:

Nichols falls to Westfield 70-88.  Freshman, Ryan Sheehan led the squad with 17 pts, 3 assists, and 5 boards.  They shot really, really poorly and were dominated on the boards.  Sheehan seems like a freshman to watch, though.

Curry loses to Babson 71-83.  Four juniors and a senior on the starting five.  Connery, Jackson, and Jones (the starting guards) scored 51 of the 71 points.  Jones, a 6'4" guard, had 21 and 12 with 4 blocks.  He's going to be a matchup problem for a lot of teams.

WNEC got crushed by Bridgewater 64-95.  They started five seniors; freshman Ryan Mickiewicz got twelve minutes off the bench.  They held their own on the boards, but shot poorly and had 30 turnovers.

Gordon just got decimated by Husson 42-88.  Husson scored more in the first half (47) than did Gordon the entire game.  No one scored in double figures.  The team shot 3-12 from deep and 5-12 from the FT line, 17-59 overall.  Husson hit everything and dominated the boards.  It looks like this GC team is just not up for playing defense (or, I suppose, offense).  They've got a lot of work to do.  Three freshmen came off the bench for some decent minutes - maybe that's a bright spot for the future?

AMC wins their opener over Newbury 80-74, despite losing the second half.  They hit the boards well as a team.  Sophomore Anthony Click led the team with 22 points on 8-12 shooting.  It looks like neither team played much defense.  Newbury shot over 50% for the game and AMC was at 42%.  They could be feisty, although I think their ceiling isn't much higher than this.

ENC lost to Suffolk 69-76.  They did make a comeback in the second half, but not enough to win.  They started a senior, two juniors, a soph, and a freshman.  DeAngelo Alston played all 40 minutes, scoring 10 with 6 assists and an off shooting night.  Aaron Johnson played 37 minutes, scoring 16.  Ezeigbo had 12 points and 13 boards.  They really only went seven deep - freshman Edward Allen, a 5'8" guard from Texas played 16 minutes off the bench, scored 8 and shot pretty well.  There were a ton of missed shots in this game (101 total rebounds) and FTs made the difference.  ENC shot poorly (5-18) and Suffolk shot a lot (23-30).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
Curry plays at MIT next Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on November 18, 2010, 08:09:16 AM
Another tough loss for the leopards...Up 17 at half and a sub-par SMU team came back to win by 3.  The story of the game?  24 TO's for wentworth and only 11 for SMU.  With a majority of these TO's coming in the second half.  Cant win games when you give the ball to the other team...
Eric Prue and Corey Therriault led the leopards with 13pts each while BIG man in the middle Sam Herrick only had 5 pts to go with his 12 rebounds...in the words of the Germans from beerfest it was "Zee Double Team".  Keenan Burke-Pitts looked good with 4 rebs, 5 ast, and 11 points to go with only 2 TO's.  WIT is gunna need some solid Guard play from him if they are to do well this year. 
From SMU it looks like they had one player, Corey Isaac, go off scoring 27pts and snatching 8 rebs to solidify the W for SMU.
Another awful night from the FT line as WIT only shot %36...Final score 68-65
WIT heads to Chester PA, for the Oki Data tourney where they face a very good Rowan team first then either Adrian or Widener (Also two very good teams)  It will be a tough weekend if WIT doesnt limit those TO's...Hopefully they come out with at least a split!! 
Tony Parker 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2010, 10:25:09 AM

WITball, you coming down to the game?  I'm planning to be there at Widener Friday night.

WIT hit the boards well, but the turnovers really killed them - they hit more shots than Southern Maine, but got way fewer chances.  FTs were also a problem; can't miss that many in a tight game (4-11).

Endicott won big over Framingham 88-58.  Apparently that recruiting effort has paid off; they're really relying on freshman early.  Nine guys got big minutes, six freshman, a soph, a junior, and senior Chris Galbraith who carried the scoring load with 17.  They forced 32 turnovers and had 16 steals.  Horrible outside shooting, but they got to the line 34 times.  This is going to be a team to be reckoned with.

UNE got crushed by St. Joe's of Maine 53-85.  They threw a lot of guys out on the floor, but no one had any answers.  St. Joe's scored at will, shooting 60%.

Salve lost to Bryant 49-75, although that's no real surprise.  They shot poorly on top of taking less shots and getting out-rebounded.  Not a lot to tell from this game.  Bryant is usually pretty good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on November 18, 2010, 12:10:44 PM
I want to come to the game bad but its a 6 hour drive for me...Ill be there in spirit!!  They play Rowan on friday though and possibly Widener on Saturday.  Ive been reading this board for the past 5 years so im expecting a good rundown on the friday game from you Hoops!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 18, 2010, 02:11:30 PM
Gordon and Endicott tourney this weekend. Gordon vs. Coast Guard at 6 on Friday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 18, 2010, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on November 17, 2010, 08:00:10 AM
If this is a sign of things to come for Gordon, then we need a new coach who can actually recruit.  At this point, Gordon will struggle to win 10 games.


I would give coach Murphy a year to get settled in to the recruiting at this level. Very different from D1. He obviously can coach up the talent from last years team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 11:19:33 AM

ENC came up just short against UMASS-Boston last night, 67-69.  The outside shooters had a poor night for ENC, although Alston did have 7 assists.  Ezigbo went for 20 and 13 and the freshman, Flakes, went for 19 and 10.  They won the rebounding battle and hit free throws, but it wasn't quite enough.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 19, 2010, 01:22:38 PM
That's a pretty good game for ENC. Do you think they have what it takes to be competitive in league play?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 06:08:49 PM

Headed out to Widener now.  I'll try to catch the second half of the early game and be there for WIT to tip off.  This might be the only d3 game I catch until playoff time, so I hope its decent.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 19, 2010, 08:45:20 PM
Gordon College righted the ship for at least one night as they downed the Coast Guard academy tonight 67-57.

Three Fighting Scots players reach double figures, led by what seems to be the heart and soul of the GC offense in David Dempsey (13 pts) and Greg Walker (19 pts). Freshman Luke Hamilton (6'3" guard out of Mt Airy, NC) added 16 points of his own.

Gordon won the rebounding battle 38-29 and forced Coast Guard into 19 turnovers while allowing them only four total assists on the night.

Coast Guard doesn't appear to be the difficult non-con opposition it was maybe two or three years ago, but at least Gordon showed it was able to show up and get a decent win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 08:56:09 PM
Coast Guard roughed up Albertus the other night; that's a decent win for GC, especially considering the last game.  WIT is up 5 at the half.  They've already given up one big lead.  Guard play must improve.  More when I get home and am not typing on my phone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 19, 2010, 09:10:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 19, 2010, 08:56:09 PM
Coast Guard roughed up Albertus the other night; that's a decent win for GC, especially considering the last game.  WIT is up 5 at the half.  They've already given up one big lead.  Guard play must improve.  More when I get home and am not typing on my phone.

It's always fun to have live reporting! I miss watching some D3 ball live...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 19, 2010, 09:39:08 PM
Gordon played well tonight. To be honest I was shocked that Coast Guard backed off their full court pressure. That is going to be a problem for the scots all year. Luke Hamilton had a big night it will be huge if he can keep that up for the scots to take some of the pressure of Dempsey and Walker. The Scots certainly don't look like the defense Scots of the coach Schauer days, but I loved the effort they gave tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 09:40:12 PM
Down 5 with 5 to play.  Who wants to give this game away? Sloppy!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
WIT loses 63-69.  I'm putting this one on the coach.  Missed some adjustments in the second half.  WIT was definitely the better team.  Rowan missed a ton of FTs down the stretch, trying to give it away.  WIT should beat Adrian tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 10:53:28 PM

Ok, so I have no rooting interest in this game (Rowan is the closest D3 school to my house and WIT is in the conference where my school plays).  However, it was really frustrating to see the way Wentworth finished this one off.  The last ten minutes were sloppy as all get out.

This was my second live d3 game since 2003 (now that I've escaped the d3 dead zone in Kansas) and it's amazing how much doesn't show up on the box score.  Without further ado, here's my Wentworth pre-Thanksgiving scouting report (all you coaches out there, break out the notes):

Clearly Sam "cement shoes" Herrick is the focal point of the team.  He's a man among boys.  Rowan had a 6'8" 260 guy guarding him and Sam still looked big.  I was amazed how long it takes him to wind up to jump, though.  He was also much less effective after ten or twelve minutes - gotta wonder about his conditioning.  The guys got decent hands and seems really even keeled.  He's going to have to score more for them to win.  He went for 16 and 16, but both numbers were deceptive of his impact on the game.

Eric Prue is a gunner.  The dude shot every time he touched the ball.  All the confidence in the world.  He's a strong defensive player and very fiery.  The kind of guy you want on your team, but if he gets an assist this year, I tell you its a statistician's error.

Corey Therriault played big.  He did hard work on the defensive end and hit some big shots down the stretch.  Nothing too special yet, but there's promise there (he's only a sophomore).

Keenan Burke-Pitts is the senior PG.  I respect that the coach is honoring his vocal leadership and time served, but he's not a strong ball handler and he got way too many minutes.  He's a real leader and he does have the strongest decision-making skills in the back court - that doesn't matter if he can't get the ball up the court.

Freshman James Towner came in as the third PG, but his minutes were all good.  I liked what he showed me.  Strong on ball skills.

Another Freshman, Denzell Sanders gave some good energy minutes.  He was a bit out of sorts at the beginning, but he got crunch time minutes near the end and is a strong bench player.

Mike McClure is the other senior, and gave good minutes off the bench.  He's a gap filler the coach can rely on to keep the team afloat and rest the starters.

For me, the big revelation was freshman guard, Derek Mayo.  I thought he should have been the primary ball handler throughout and the coach going with Burke-Pitts in the second half cost them the game.  Mayo is big (6'4", 200) and actually serves as their only other real post player (when Herrick is out).  But he's a good shooter with strong ball skills and a good eye for passing.  I thought he played very well.  They've got him starting and I think time will do him a lot of good.

My overall thoughts:

In this game, it was clear that the coach missed some adjustments in the second half.  I thought the zone (and they were using both a 3-2 and 1-3-1) were working well; he didn't go to it enough and it really cost them.  Rowan had better athletes and they took advantage of the 1 on 1.  Also, I mentioned the use of Burke-Pitts.  It's tough to bench a senior, but he'd be much more effective as the sixth man to bring energy and leadership off the bench.

As a team, they shot free throws well, but were not aggressive enough to get to the line.  At the beginning they were feeding Herrick every time down and he was hurting Rowan, but there isn't a reliable second scorer on the team, so they tripled Sam and he couldn't do a whole lot.  I think Mayo can be the second scorer, but it will take some time for him to build into it.  Prue is a good shooter; they've got a couple.  Along with some good bench guys to fill roles.  I could see them playing well in the Spring if things come together.

The guard play will have to improve, though.  Prue plays well on defense, but is a bit of a mess on offense (unless his shooting touch is on).  Towner and Mayo handled the ball well, but there's not enough there to sustain the team just yet.  The big hole is in the post.  They list a few Forwards and some G/F players, but in reality Herrick is the only interior player who gets any time.  That can be exploited.  His defensive footwork isn't great; I think you could get him to shuffle his feet and pick up some fouls (at least on an off night).

They played pretty well together and responded to coaching.  I do think the coach will figure out what he's got; I just hope he's got the will to move Burke-Pitts.  That's a tough call for a coach to make, but it seemed pretty clear watching the game tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 11:20:37 PM
To wrap up the other games:

Nichols 45 - WPI 73.  17 points for Sheehan.  23 turnovers; out rebounded by 10.  Shot 30% from the floor.

Regis over SUNY-Cobleskill @ Williams (47-46).  Phil Alibrandi went 15 and 9.  They didn't hit a single three-pointer and missed more than half their FTs.  This was a battle of two bad teams duking it out.

AMC hung tough with Wesleyan, losing 69-74.  Respectable team numbers all around.  Peterson had 17 and 7, Pinsoneault had 15 and 6 on a poor shooting night, De La Hoz had 14 on a good shooting night.  Solid performance.

We got Gordon and Wentworth break downs already.

RWU over Medgar Evers 65-60.  Fava went 13 and 5 with 7 assists.  Petrucelli had 17 points.  RWU hit FTs to win.

NEC over UMPI 86-72.  21 and 6 from Faragher with 4 assists.  Muhammed had 19 off the bench (13-19 from the FT line).  A lot of free throws (34 total); they get to the line.

EC over ME-Maritime 79-51, puts them at 3-0 and looking strong.  Karkow had 10 points and 15 boards.  Bench got a lot of minutes - Freshman Bennett Knowlton had 20 points off the bench.  14 and 7 from Freshman forward Magee.  They took a lot of threes and hit about a third of them.

CSC ekes by Daniel Webster 67-64.  No box score.

Curry over Colby 73-71 @ Brandeis.  Colby lost a lot from last year, but they're still a strong team and its a great win for Curry early in the season.  Jackson had 21; Connery had 15.  Curry was completely dominated on the boards (17-39), but still pulled it out.  Jackson hit the game winner with 6 seconds to go.  Colby had 32 turnovers, which led to an extra 21 shots for Curry.  The CCC might see some ball pressure from CC.  They get Brandeis tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on November 20, 2010, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on November 18, 2010, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on November 17, 2010, 08:00:10 AM
If this is a sign of things to come for Gordon, then we need a new coach who can actually recruit.  At this point, Gordon will struggle to win 10 games.


I would give coach Murphy a year to get settled in to the recruiting at this level. Very different from D1. He obviously can coach up the talent from last years team.

I hope you're right...I spoke a little out of emotion the other night after seeing the score but that was bad.  I am a little removed from all of this so who is Gordon's point guard this year and is he good?  It sounds like they will have their hands full with Endicott tonight.  Can some explain why you would play in a tournament with a conference opponent?  Seems to me like a waste of a non-conference game...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 20, 2010, 09:46:30 AM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on November 20, 2010, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on November 18, 2010, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on November 17, 2010, 08:00:10 AM
If this is a sign of things to come for Gordon, then we need a new coach who can actually recruit.  At this point, Gordon will struggle to win 10 games.


I would give coach Murphy a year to get settled in to the recruiting at this level. Very different from D1. He obviously can coach up the talent from last years team.

I can understand where you are coming from GC Oldtimer. If Coach Murphy doesn't get a good recruiting class this year the program will have a major setback. They should have there hands full tonight with EC. EC is a pretty athletic team wit some great freshman. Coach Rowe obviously got a front row seat last night at the Gordon game to see their strengths and weaknesses. I also saw the Salem State coach in the crowd preparing for Tuesday nights game. I love Gordon hoops and the job coach Schauer did was amazing so I am with you to want to see it continue. It was shocking to not have a good recruiting class after winning the conference and making the NCAA tourney and losing 5 seniors so you can tell your recruits your probably going to get minutes as a freshman is a nice carrot to dangle. Anyway I am not sure why they starting this tourney with Endicott, does seem a little strange.

I hope you're right...I spoke a little out of emotion the other night after seeing the score but that was bad.  I am a little removed from all of this so who is Gordon's point guard this year and is he good?  It sounds like they will have their hands full with Endicott tonight.  Can some explain why you would play in a tournament with a conference opponent?  Seems to me like a waste of a non-conference game...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 20, 2010, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on November 20, 2010, 09:46:30 AM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on November 20, 2010, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on November 18, 2010, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on November 17, 2010, 08:00:10 AM
If this is a sign of things to come for Gordon, then we need a new coach who can actually recruit.  At this point, Gordon will struggle to win 10 games.


I would give coach Murphy a year to get settled in to the recruiting at this level. Very different from D1. He obviously can coach up the talent from last years team.

I can understand where you are coming from GC Oldtimer. If Coach Murphy doesn't get a good recruiting class this year the program will have a major setback. They should have there hands full tonight with EC. EC is a pretty athletic team wit some great freshman. Coach Rowe obviously got a front row seat last night at the Gordon game to see their strengths and weaknesses. I also saw the Salem State coach in the crowd preparing for Tuesday nights game. I love Gordon hoops and the job coach Schauer did was amazing so I am with you to want to see it continue. It was shocking to not have a good recruiting class after winning the conference and making the NCAA tourney and losing 5 seniors so you can tell your recruits your probably going to get minutes as a freshman is a nice carrot to dangle. Anyway I am not sure why they starting this tourney with Endicott, does seem a little strange.

I hope you're right...I spoke a little out of emotion the other night after seeing the score but that was bad.  I am a little removed from all of this so who is Gordon's point guard this year and is he good?  It sounds like they will have their hands full with Endicott tonight.  Can some explain why you would play in a tournament with a conference opponent?  Seems to me like a waste of a non-conference game...

I haven't confirmed this at all, but my guess is the following:

In the past few years, Gordon has hosted its own 'Tip-Off tournament to start the year. This year, in lieu of this tournament, I think Gordon and Endicott went in on hosting a tournament together. Two games apiece would be played at each location. This game against Endicott replaces the early non-conference matchup Gordon has had with its cross-town rival in years past.

So, in name it's different, but otherwise it ends up the same.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 20, 2010, 08:31:30 PM
I am calling it now. David Dempsey will be the player of the year before he graduates. He is starting to shoot it more from the outside which he did in high school. If he gets that shot going no one in the league can stop him. Gordon dominated tonight. Luke Hamilton is bringing key scoring to that team. Way to go Scots. Big game on tuesday vs. Salem State.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on November 20, 2010, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on November 20, 2010, 08:31:30 PM
I am calling it now. David Dempsey will be the player of the year before he graduates. He is starting to shoot it more from the outside which he did in high school. If he gets that shot going no one in the league can stop him. Gordon dominated tonight. Luke Hamilton is bringing key scoring to that team. Way to go Scots. Big game on tuesday vs. Salem State.

Well, credit where credit is due, this game was 20 points most of the night.  Surprised the heck out of me...I guess this is going to be one of those years.  ???  You are right, though, Tuesday (as will be the next five games) is a big test.  We should know a lot about this team by mid-December.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gogordon11 on November 20, 2010, 08:54:29 PM
agreed; it was a very impressive win, I thought. the blowout to Husson obviously made us students wonder if this year might be even tougher than already expected, but these last two games have been a great recovery.
As for Dempsey, he needs to be a star this year, and tonight was a great showing: 25 pts, 15 rebs (including 7 offensive), 6 assists.
I would like to be seeing more out of Greg Walker early on (or any of the bigs), but the season is still very young.
Disappointed I can't be at the Salem State game, hopefully there will be some students still around to give some sort of home court advantage.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 20, 2010, 09:28:50 PM
I would agree that Walker needs to be involved, but he is going to see double and and triple teams all year long. That is great to have Luke Hamilton involved to be a third scoring option at this point. It is a long season though. My biggest fear is teams that pressure the ball like Curry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2010, 09:48:46 PM
Regis kept it close with #8 Williams, losing 48-58.  Either the NESCAC is really down this year, or the rest of New England is picking up the level of play (Amherst almost lost to Farmington last night).  Williams only has the first half box score up.  From the recap it looks like it was a five point game with under three minutes to go.  Alibrandi had 12 points.  The team shot less than 50% from the FT line.

Just as a side note, the Framingham team that EC beat by 30 beat MIT tonight.

WIT loses to Adrian 43-54.  It looks like the WIT defense did well forcing 23 turnovers, but they were massively outrebounded - something they really struggle with.  Dombroswski came back from injury, played 27 minutes, but missed all six of his shots.  They'll be improved when he's back to full speed.  Therriault led the way with 15 points.  Looks like a really poor game for Wentworth.

AMC took out Ursinus 91-76.  AMC is no slouch this year.  Click went for 16 and 11 with 4 assists.  Pinsonault had 19, De La Hoz 11 (on a bad shooting night); Ross 15, and Bristol 11 and 8, both off the bench.  Lots of FTs on both sides, AMC could do with hitting a few more.  They dominated the glass and had 14 steals.

CSC lost to Rivier 63-75; they're certainly having an off year.  15 and 7 from Robbie Burke, who got most of his points at the FT line and also fouled out himself.  14 points from Bardaglio.  Only 10 turnovers, but really poor shooting from the floor.

RWU lost to Bowdoin 71-74.  Petrucelli went for 26 and 10.  RWU played well all around, good on the boards, not too many turnovers.  They seem to have lost because Bowdoin shot almost 50% from three.

Curry loses to Brandeis 69-81.  Jackson scored 35, Jones added 23 with 8 boards - they took 44 of 55 total team shots between them.  Brandeis dominated the boards and, predictably, Curry had no answer for Vytas Kriskus.

Nichols beat Worcester State 86-79.  Sheehan had 27 to lead four guys in double figures.  He's the front runner for ROY right now (6-10 from three)!

Salve beat SUNY-Maritime in NJ, but I can't find a box score yet.

Gordon over Endicott 88-74.  Never underestimate a rivalry game.  GC seems to have gotten things together a bit since opening night.  Dempsey went for 25 and 15 (with 6 assists) to lead Gordon.  Bentson went 14 and 9.  Not much bench production, but they hit their outside shots at better than 50%.  For EC, Knowlton led the way with 17 and 6; Karkow went for 14 and 8.  Endicott had better individual rebounders, but GC won the team battle.  ECs bench was much shorter tonight and they were unable to manage the steals they'd had in previous outings.  EC did recover from a 47-28 halftime deficit, but it doesn't appear to have ever been close.

ENC picked up their first win over Wheaton (MA) 63-60.  No box score yet available.

WNEC and UNE are in ongoing games presently.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 22, 2010, 10:40:36 AM
Yearly Preview!

14. New England College
Off to a quick start against poor comp. I think it will be a similar year in Henniker to recent ones.

13. University of New England
No one was hit harder by graduation/transfer/player movement

12. Nichols
Got hit very hard by graduation and player movement. Ryan Sheehan could be a good one though.

11. Salve Regina
Should be better than last year by a lot. Great young talent.

10. Eastern Nazarene
Coming off a big win against Wheaton. Not sure they will have enough to sustain.

9. Colby-Sawyer
Lost a lot of guys. Willis and the rookies will have to carry.

8. Anna Maria
Not a typo. Anna Maria in the playoffs.

7. Gordon
The returning champs are all over the map out of the gate.

6. Regis
Veteran group. Ready to take a step.

5.WNEC
Bring back some firepower with Shaw and Thomka. But can they stop anyone?

4. Endicott
A lot of talented rookies. A good coach. Should be much improved.

3. Roger Williams
Last year was a minor blip on the radar. They have a lot back.

2. Wentworth
Well coached, always better at the end than the beginning and still have the big guy.

1. Curry
Too much firepower in a watered down CCC.


Preseason POTY: Jarell Jackson, Curry
Preseason COTY: Nate Hager Regis
Preseason All League First Team:

G- Jackson Curry
G- Derek Neal Regis
G- Lance Green Endicott
C- Sam Herrick WIT
F- Greg Walker Gordon

2nd team:
G- Junior De La Hoz Anna Maria
G- Corey Fava RWU
F- Dan Royce Salve Regina
F- Brad Thomka WNEC
F- Chima Ezigbo ENC

ROY Candidates:
Robbie Burke CSC, Lachlan Magee Endicott, Ryan Sheehan Nichols, Derek Mayo Endicott, Alex Larose SRU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 22, 2010, 11:16:14 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 22, 2010, 10:40:36 AM
Yearly Preview!

14. New England College
Off to a quick start against poor comp. I think it will be a similar year in Henniker to recent ones.

13. University of New England
No one was hit harder by graduation/transfer/player movement

12. Nichols
Got hit very hard by graduation and player movement. Ryan Sheehan could be a good one though.

11. Salve Regina
Should be better than last year by a lot. Great young talent.

10. Eastern Nazarene
Coming off a big win against Wheaton. Not sure they will have enough to sustain.

9. Colby-Sawyer
Lost a lot of guys. Willis and the rookies will have to carry.

8. Anna Maria
Not a typo. Anna Maria in the playoffs.

7. Gordon
The returning champs are all over the map out of the gate.

6. Regis
Veteran group. Ready to take a step.

5.WNEC
Bring back some firepower with Shaw and Thomka. But can they stop anyone?

4. Endicott
A lot of talented rookies. A good coach. Should be much improved.

3. Roger Williams
Last year was a minor blip on the radar. They have a lot back.

2. Wentworth
Well coached, always better at the end than the beginning and still have the big guy.

1. Curry
Too much firepower in a watered down CCC.


Preseason POTY: Jarell Jackson, Curry
Preseason COTY: Nate Hager Regis
Preseason All League First Team:

G- Jackson Curry
G- Derek Neal Regis
G- Lance Green Endicott
C- Sam Herrick WIT
F- Greg Walker Gordon

2nd team:
G- Junior De La Hoz Anna Maria
G- Corey Fava RWU
F- Dan Royce Salve Regina
F- Brad Thomka WNEC
F- Chima Ezigbo ENC

ROY Candidates:
Robbie Burke CSC, Lachlan Magee Endicott, Ryan Sheehan Nichols, Derek Mayo Endicott, Alex Larose SRU

Just a few gut reactions. You're entitled to your own prognostications, and so are the rest of us.;)

I think, to be honest, you may have Anna Maria a little low. I wouldn't be surprised to see them get a five or six seed in the tourney this year.

Endicott will be a MUCH better team come second semester than they are now. Such a young team that has proven early they can play efficiently. The Gulls are my early pick to meet Curry in the championship.

I'd move Gordon up one or two spots and move Roger Williams down one or two. I think the early game against Husson was an outlier. I think Gordon would still lose the game eight out of ten times played, but I think this team is still in the process of finding their identity after losing such leadership from last year. RWU will always be a tough team to beat in Rhode Island, but I think they take a step down this season. Just a gut feeling on that one.

I'd switch Greg Walker on the First Team with David Dempsey. Nothing more than I think Dempsey will be more involved on the offense than Walker. Two solid players, nonetheless.

Anyway, just a few thoughts on your thoughts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 22, 2010, 12:14:29 PM
I would agree with moving walker to Dempsey, I am willing to bet Dempsey is the player of the year not Jackson.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on November 22, 2010, 01:29:39 PM
After mocking Gordon and their recruited freshman class after the Husson loss, I can say with confidence this team will have a pretty strong season after that win at Endicott.  All the hype over David Dempsey is well deserved too, kid had no turnovers on a 25 pts, 15 rbs, 6 ast, 3 stls, 2 blks stat line playing with a half-injured knee.

Anyone know what happened to Endicott's center Justin Martin by the way?  He's supposed to be a senior this year and isn't on the team anymore.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 22, 2010, 02:30:09 PM
I wouldn't get too ahead of yourself yet. I think Gordon is still going to have a difficult road this year. There non conference schedule  is challenging and I think Endicott is going to be a force when they get their act together. Gordon has the chance to with 12-14 games barring any injuries from Walker or Dempsey. It is fun to see Freshman Luke Hamilton lighting it up right now but I am not sure that can continue with any consistency.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2010, 01:09:33 AM

Nichols lost to Worcester State tonight.  Sheehan had 31.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on November 23, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
CCCtalk....

Agree with the predictions, well done...However Derek Mayo plays for WIT not Endicott

Also the only way Curry wins this year is if Jackson plays well...He has trouble at times finishing near the hoop with big guys around, but he is capable of 30+ on any given night...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on November 23, 2010, 10:01:26 PM
Salem State gave Gordon a good whooping tonight. Gordon pulled within single digits at one point but Salem State was just too much in the paint for Gordon to handle. Dempsey was sick and still favoring the knee even though he put up some decent numbers. Thank goodness Luke Hamilton continues to shoot the ball well. Gordon has a major schedule coming up. I don't see them winning a game anytime soon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2010, 10:29:40 AM

So I'm assuming Jarrell Jackson hurt himself last night.  The box score lists him as playing only four minutes in Curry's loss to WPI (56-76).  CC got crushed on the boards, committed a ton of turnovers and sent WPI to the FT line 39 times!

ENC lost to Drew 80-94.  Ezigbo and Flakes both had 17.  DeAngelo Alston did not play at all.  I know he was coming back off an injury; I wonder if he also hurt himself.  Aaron Johnson had 9 boards, 11 points, and 7 assists.  Drew shot 54% from the floor, including 42% from deep.

UNE lost to Colby 58-71.  Marcus Winn had 14; Chas Rentrope had 18 off the bench.  They got very few rebounds and shot only 4 foul shots.

Gordon lost to Babson 61-71.  Greg Walker went for 21 and 7.  Dempsey had 14.  They hit the boards well as a team, but 20 turnovers was too much to overcome (not to mention Babson going 16-16 from the line).

Salve beat Wheaton 80-66.  Wheaton looks to be terrible this year.  Ryan Birrell had 14 with 7 assists.  Dan Royce only played 18 minutes; he had 4 fouls, so maybe there was foul trouble.  Maybe the game was just out of hand; the bench got a good amount of minutes.

WNEC lost to Elms 70-84.  Thomka had 16 and 10; Lomas had 12 and 10.  WNEC had 33 tunrovers, which negated an otherwise good shooting night.  Very poor from the FT line.

Colby-Sawyer beat St. Joe's of VT 65-58.  Robbie Burke had 17 points.  No box score.

Becker beat AMC 81-76.  Two perennial bad teams who may both be feisty this season.  Click went for 21 and 9 with 4 assists.  Pinnsoneault had 17.  It looks like they shut De La Hoz down; he just didn't get that many shots off.  Rajai Leggett had 21 rebounds for Becker which led to 12 extra shots and probably the difference.

WIT over Coast Guard 61-48.  Big Sam did very little (9 and 8); Therriault took the most shots and scored 15.  Dombrowski seems to be getting back into the swing of things, scoring 11.

Nichols beat Fitchburg 63-49.  Sheehan had an off night, scoring only 7.  Fitchburg took a ton of free throws, won the rebounding battle and turned NC over 27 times, but still lost miserably due to poor shooting.

NEC beat Newbury 67-66.  Farragher went 10-13.  Mohamed had 10 off the bench, but it looks like he got the ball a lot in crunch time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 01, 2010, 10:41:23 AM
Sinking Ships

WIT beats a very weak Coast Guard team 61-48.  Coast Guard used to be very solid with Big men Jeff Prebeck (Spelling?)  and Craig Johnson holding down the front court and a very good guard by the name of Sowers (Younger brother is now on the team but didnt play due to injury last night).  However they are just not that team, they dont have any standout players. Devonte Weems (#15 on USCG) was very quick and could get to the hoop at will but could not finish a layup at all.

Sam Herrick had 9pts-8rebs...should of had 20-20 but im just saying...
Corey T. dropped 15pts to go with 4rebs and 3stls...
Adam Dombrowski is looking good after coming off an ankle injury early on to score 11 on the night...
Keenan Burke Pitts (Hoopsfans favorite player)  Looked great.  Scored only 5pts but got other guys good looks to the tune of 8ast and only 2TO....What should he do hoops?  Should he admit he played bad when you watched? Should he accept his role as the "vocal" leader? Should he tell you hes done this before? Should he just sell shoes? Should he tell you hes a championship chaser? Should he try acting? Or should he just read you a soulful Poem?
My name may be Burke-Pitts,
But I tell you I will Not Quit,
you put me down with your words Hoops,
lets get on the court and I will run loops,
around you until you fall,
but in the end I dont even care what you say at all

What Should he Do?

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 02, 2010, 08:53:19 AM
No disrespect meant hoops...just backing my guys while taking shots at Lebron!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2010, 06:28:08 PM

No problem.  I was informed of the behind the scenes issues going on before the game I saw.  I do still believe Burke-Pitts is the ideal sixth man, but he has been putting up better numbers at the point lately.

Obviously Sam is in d3 for a reason.  Guys that size don't end up in d3 if they're quick.  I do think they have all the pieces to win the conference - we'll see if they get it together.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gogordon11 on December 02, 2010, 09:36:46 PM
Gordon got destroyed tonight, 85-37.
Dempsey and Walker couldn't get any help; Gordon gave up 32 turnovers, and fouls were trouble, too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 03, 2010, 08:29:33 AM
Looks like turnovers will plague Gordon all year long.  Gordon has their banner raising ceremony tomorrow when they play MIT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2010, 08:49:19 AM

In addition to the Gordon crushing,

Regis lost to Trinity 48-57.  Alibrandi had 11, but fouled out, Neal had 10, Edwards, 14.  Regis hasn't played a pushover yet.  They're showing strong play early on.  This could be interesting if they keep it together.  They don't have much margin for error.

Roger Williams over Wheaton 64-60.  13 for Petruccelli.  They continue to underwhelm.

EC lost to Wheelock 68-73.  21 from Magee; 13 and 15 from Erik Callo off the bench.  They dominated the boards, but shot 7-33(!!) from deep.  Milan Drecun played 20 minutes and went 1-14, 1-13 from three.  This seems like a poor game plan, especially when you're within five points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 03, 2010, 09:10:29 AM
wow. EC is just loaded with talent. If they don't start getting things together I would have to start pointing fingers at the coaching staff. To lose to Gordon and Wheelock is a pretty poor showing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 03, 2010, 09:32:01 AM
Bad night for the league in general.

Wheelock beats Endicott at EC. The Dracun line is amazing. I guess he thought the next one was going in...Wheelock is actually not a terrible team you need to get them at home though.

Salve goes down to Johnson and Wales in a RI game. 2 point game, couldn't find the box score.

Regis loses pretty handily to Trinity but that's to be expected. I love their scheduling.

Curry goes down to Lesley. I don't care who isn't in the lineup, you can't lose to Lesley.

RWU salvages the night for the league.

Gordon is getting embarrassed on a regular basis. Based on what I've now seen around the league I'm going to adjust my predictions slightly.

14. UNE
13. NEC
12. Nichols
11. ENC
10. CSC
9.   WNEC
8. Gordon
7. Salve
6. AMC
5. Regis
4. EC
3. WIT
2. RWU
1. Curry
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2010, 05:53:26 PM

How do you have RWU at #2?  They've really shown very little so far.  Is this based on the guys they have coming back?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2010, 05:54:18 PM
ENC's hosting a tournament this weekend (including NEC, Lancaster Bible, and Mitchell).

There's a running diary going - http://thejuanoshow.blogspot.com/2010/12/running-diary-enc-vs-mitchell.html - for the ENC game.

Apparently the start is delayed due to traffic on 95 for Mitchell.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 03, 2010, 10:19:03 PM
Hoops Fan they brough back their entire time last year (which was pretty injury plauged) and they added 2 seamingly solid guys in Clifford and Coture. I could be wrong, certainly have been before. I'm not sure if Wentworth is better than them or not.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 04, 2010, 11:04:42 AM
Looks like Gordon has a banner raising ceremony before they play MIT today.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2010, 11:14:55 AM

ENC beat Mitchell last night 73-57.  ENC didn't play all that well (too many turnovers), but got the job done.  Aaron Johnson had 20 points and 7 assists.  Azigbo went 19 and 10.  14 and6 from Flakes.  Deangelo Alston played 36 minutes and had 6 assists.

NEC beat Lancaster Bible 75-53.  NEC will face ENC today.  They got a decent amount of minutes for the bench so numbers may be skewed.  They hit the boards well.  Andrew McDonald had 16 points.  NEC is 6-0 against pretty weak competition.  ENC is better than last year, but no one knows how much.  Their game today could tell us something.

AMC lost to Salisbury 40-68.  No one in double figures; atrocious shooting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 04, 2010, 08:02:40 PM
RWU doesnt have a solid squad even if they brought back everyone....the big on RWU is slower than "cement shoes" and about the same size....WIT killed lesley and even tho the best player on lesley is about 5'5" they have a solid team....more to follow....ERIC PRUE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 11:44:39 AM
Tonight's CCC Lines

Wesleyan at RWU +7.5

NEC -10.5 at Green Mountain

Wentworth +5.5 at Connecticut College

Anna Maria -6.5 at Nichols

Westfield State  at WNEC +9.5

RIC at Salve Regina +15.5

Newbury at Regis -11.5


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 11:44:39 AMNEC -10.5 at Green Mountain


Did you even research these?

Green Mountain is 0-2, by scores of 27-94 and 39-95.  They've only played five players total this season - no subs.

If the line is NEC -46, you might get even money.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 02:01:56 PM
They are admittedly more based on the CCC teams. I saw that NEC was 7-0 and figured that can't last forever and knowing GMC's history still made NEC the favorite.

Good thing there is no actually money at stake!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 07, 2010, 02:03:29 PM
HAHAHA,  I hope my boys can get a win at Conn College tonight, otherwise I wont look to good saying RWU has a soft squad considering they beat Conn College by about 10 earlier this season...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 11:44:39 AMNEC -10.5 at Green Mountain


Did you even research these?

Green Mountain is 0-2, by scores of 27-94 and 39-95.  They've only played five players total this season - no subs.

If the line is NEC -46, you might get even money.

NEC 70 GMC 23.  I almost nailed it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 08, 2010, 08:02:40 AM
Thats hilarious...Couldnt get much better than that Hoops.  I dont know what happened last night in the WIT game cause I wasnt there so Im not even going to comment on the game....Herrick had 19pts and 8rebs while Mayo had 10reds and 7pts....Doesnt look like anyone else showed up for WIT.  Tough Loss...Cant let a freshman and a sophmore beat up on you...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2010, 08:47:58 AM

RWU got thumped, scoring only 38 against Wesleyan's 62.

Also Anna Maria roasted Nichols, 84-60.

Regis beat Newbury.

WNEC and Salve both lost.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 08, 2010, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 11:44:39 AMNEC -10.5 at Green Mountain


Did you even research these?

Green Mountain is 0-2, by scores of 27-94 and 39-95.  They've only played five players total this season - no subs.

If the line is NEC +46, you might get even money.

NEC 70 GMC 23.  I almost nailed it.

Wouldn't the line then have been NEC -46? I am no sharp by any means, but we all knew what you meant and the number was the important part anyway. Heck of a call, though.

You could give Walzy31 a run for his money.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2010, 01:52:18 PM
Quote from: scout on December 08, 2010, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 11:44:39 AMNEC -10.5 at Green Mountain


Did you even research these?

Green Mountain is 0-2, by scores of 27-94 and 39-95.  They've only played five players total this season - no subs.

If the line is NEC -46, you might get even money.

NEC 70 GMC 23.  I almost nailed it.

Wouldn't the line then have been NEC -46? I am no sharp by any means, but we all knew what you meant and the number was the important part anyway. Heck of a call, though.

You could give Walzy31 a run for his money.

It does say -46.  No fair you changing my post in your reply.  I'm returning the favor in this one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 08, 2010, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 01:52:18 PM
Quote from: scout on December 08, 2010, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 11:44:39 AMNEC -10.5 at Green Mountain


Did you even research these?

Green Mountain is 0-2, by scores of 27-94 and 39-95.  They've only played five players total this season - no subs.

If the line is NEC -46, you might get even money.

NEC 70 GMC 23.  I almost nailed it.

Wouldn't the line then have been NEC -46? I am no sharp by any means, but we all knew what you meant and the number was the important part anyway. Heck of a call, though.

You could give Walzy31 a run for his money.

It does say -46.  No fair you changing my post in your reply.  I'm returning the favor in this one.

I just hit the quote button and went from there. Didn't change a thing. Anyway, no worries.

Is there any news on the conference realignment front? Any idea what the new conference is going to call itself, etc?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2010, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: scout on December 08, 2010, 02:14:06 PM

Is there any news on the conference realignment front? Any idea what the new conference is going to call itself, etc?

From everything I've heard, I'd expect official news soon.  Although I also would have said the same thing a month ago.  I'm not sure what's holding everything up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
Anyone know anything about ENC?  They seem to be winning/playing a lot of close games this year, whcih is a big improvement on last year. Do they have a lot of new talent?

Any word on if Barbosa is coming back?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2010, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
Anyone know anything about ENC?  They seem to be winning/playing a lot of close games this year, whcih is a big improvement on last year. Do they have a lot of new talent?

Any word on if Barbosa is coming back?

It's an extra year with the coach.  They've got some freshmen, but I'd say its natural progress for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: scout on December 08, 2010, 02:14:06 PM

Is there any news on the conference realignment front? Any idea what the new conference is going to call itself, etc?

From everything I've heard, I'd expect official news soon.  Although I also would have said the same thing a month ago.  I'm not sure what's holding everything up.


The post got noticed.  I've now heard that everything is official, but there will be no press release.  The nine teams that were going to leave to form the new conference are simply staying in the CCC with ENC.  They'll be a ten team conference next year with a double round-robin (18 game) conference schedule for basketball.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 09, 2010, 07:24:33 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: scout on December 08, 2010, 02:14:06 PM

Is there any news on the conference realignment front? Any idea what the new conference is going to call itself, etc?

From everything I've heard, I'd expect official news soon.  Although I also would have said the same thing a month ago.  I'm not sure what's holding everything up.


The post got noticed.  I've now heard that everything is official, but there will be no press release.  The nine teams that were going to leave to form the new conference are simply staying in the CCC with ENC.  They'll be a ten team conference next year with a double round-robin (18 game) conference schedule for basketball.

Well, that is just a little anticlimactic... When these teams said that they would leave to form a new conference, I thought they would create a charter based on some sort of position they felt wasn't being supported by the current conference.

In the end, this is almost a non-story, except that a few teams left (got kicked out).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 09, 2010, 08:35:34 AM
From what I understand with my limited connection to the situation. ENC retained the CCC's automatic bid basically as a 1 team conference. The 9 breakaway schools then had to petition them to be let back into the CCC so there would be an automatic bid instead of 2 years without one.  ENC had to take them because you need 7 teams for a bid.

This basically came about because the administrations at a few schools think they are operating on a level higher than they are
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2010, 08:48:50 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 09, 2010, 08:35:34 AM
From what I understand with my limited connection to the situation. ENC retained the CCC's automatic bid basically as a 1 team conference. The 9 breakaway schools then had to petition them to be let back into the CCC so there would be an automatic bid instead of 2 years without one.  ENC had to take them because you need 7 teams for a bid.

This basically came about because the administrations at a few schools think they are operating on a level higher than they are

I imagine it was a bit more conciliatory than you make it sound, but I do think ENC held a strong bargaining position on this one.

I was not and am not privvy to the thoughts of the "breakaway" schools, but I suspect they were looking to drop some dead weight and, in a roundabout way, succeeded.

For what its worth, officially the schools never left.  I believe technically announcing your intention to leave the conference is not the same as actually leaving.  They basically rescinded their intention.

I'm sure ENC could have fought it, if they wanted to build their own conference, but this outcome does make the most sense for everyone.

I do like that we're back to a full round robin and have done away with the divisions.  It's a bit sad to lose CSC, what with all the bad memories, but I'm happy with the outcome.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 10, 2010, 03:22:22 PM
Thanks to the "elite" who wanted to disassociate with smaller colleges in the conference, we know have lost one of the finest institutions we've ever had: Colby-Sawyer.  I guess the coaches of the other schools will at least have a better chance at winning the CCC in the future now that they're gone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on December 10, 2010, 03:57:58 PM
You have it backwards, CSC chose not to stay.  They had the opportunity but decided against it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2010, 05:00:26 PM

CSC was the honorable one that wouldn't succeed secretly.  They found another confernence and that's certainly a loss, but I much prefer 10 teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 10, 2010, 08:33:50 PM
Directly from Colby-Sawyer's Campus Communications newletter issued April 16, 2010:

"On April 5, 2010, an announcement about the formation of a new conference was released by nine TCCC institutions including Curry, Gordon, Endicott, Nichols, Roger Williams, Salve Regina, the University of New England, Wentworth and Western New England. Following the announcement, Colby-Sawyer officially submitted application for membership in this new alliance and was denied entry as a charter member."

If Colby-Sawyer was invited to join the new conference, it seems odd that they would subsequently be denied
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 10, 2010, 08:57:36 PM
Dave Dempsey Player of the Year...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2010, 10:37:02 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on December 10, 2010, 08:33:50 PM
Directly from Colby-Sawyer's Campus Communications newletter issued April 16, 2010:

"On April 5, 2010, an announcement about the formation of a new conference was released by nine TCCC institutions including Curry, Gordon, Endicott, Nichols, Roger Williams, Salve Regina, the University of New England, Wentworth and Western New England. Following the announcement, Colby-Sawyer officially submitted application for membership in this new alliance and was denied entry as a charter member."

If Colby-Sawyer was invited to join the new conference, it seems odd that they would subsequently be denied

From what I hear the other schools didn't like being turned down initially, so they kept CSC out.

There were ten invites to the secret meeting; CSC declined to leave the conference.  When the teams did, indeed leave and it appeared the CCC was dead the most natural place for CSC to go was to the new conference.  Apparently the breakaway nine held a bit of a grudge.  CSC went elsewhere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 13, 2010, 01:24:39 PM
Not sure how dempsey could win POY when you have a few a player averaging a double double, Chima....Just saying
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 13, 2010, 02:11:13 PM
Trust me Dempsey POY
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 13, 2010, 03:45:56 PM
Gordon will need to win more than 5 league games for that to happen, and based on their early play (getting beat by 30 a bunch of times) I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 13, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
I think Gordon wins 15 games this year. Once they get things together at the point guard position they will be tough to beat.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 13, 2010, 05:52:50 PM
5-8 in the CCC at best. Mark it down.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 13, 2010, 06:10:00 PM
8-5 you mark that down.  ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on December 14, 2010, 09:56:39 AM
TCCC First Semester All-Conference Team
Just one basketball junkie's opinion...

Player of the Semester:
Chima Ezeigbo - 6'7", Jr., F, Eastern Nazarene - 15.9 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 56% FG, 2.9 bpg

Coach of the Semester:
Charlie Mason - New England College

Newcomer of the Semester:
Chima Ezeigbo - 6'7", Jr., F, Eastern Nazarene - 15.9 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 56% FG, 2.9 bpg

First Team:
Robbie Burke - 6'4", Fr., F, Colby-Sawyer - 15.8 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 43% FG, 1.4 spg
Chima Ezeigbo - 6'7", Jr., F, Eastern Nazarene - 15.9 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 56% FG, 2.9 bpg
Joe Faragher - 6'2", Sr., F, New England College - 11.5 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 2.1 apg, 49% FG, 38% 3FG, 68% FT, 1.1 spg
Sedale Jones - 6'4", So., G, Curry - 20.0 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 2.0 apg, 47% FG, 38% 3FG, 79% FT, 1.4 spg
Lachlan Magee - 6'3", Fr., F, Endicott - 14.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 41% FG, 89% FT

Second Team:
Ryan Birrell - 5'10", Sr., G, Salve Regina - 10.9 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 6.8 apg, 45% FG, 38% 3FG, 2.4 spg
Sam Herrick - 6'11", Sr., C, Wentworth - 11.9 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 45% FG
Shane Hennessey - 6'5", Sr., F, New England College - 11.8 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 58% FG, 72% FT
Derrick Neal - 6'1", Sr., G, Regis - 11.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.1 spg
Taylor Petruccelli - 6'4", Sr., F, Roger Williams - 11.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 48% FG, 44% 3FG, 68% FT, 1.4 spg
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 14, 2010, 12:20:17 PM
LeeLow,

Have can you not have Greg Walker or Dave Dempsey on there?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 14, 2010, 12:38:55 PM
Purely numbers based this is more than fine.

However, knowing a bit about a lot of the teams in the league will allow you to look at things a little differently.

NEC has not played anyone that is even remotely decent, they will struggle in league play.

Also I doubt Ezigbo will be able to keep those numbers up against a league a schedule.

Purely based on the first semester though this is nice work LeeLow.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 14, 2010, 12:40:04 PM
Also Chima was at ENC last year- so he can't really be the newcomer.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on December 14, 2010, 01:05:07 PM
My bad on Ozeigbo, thought he was a new JC kid this year.

Surely these things will change...strictly on 1st semester, team success first, production second...while I haven't seen most of these teams this year, I have some and almost all in the last calendar year.  Happy for an NEC to see some success but realize a middle-of-the-pack TCCC finish is probably the reality. 

I think a kid like Willis from Colby-Sawyer could lead that young team toward the top and is as good a PG their is in the league. In a 14-team league it is tough to include everyone in something like this.  I would need to see Dempsey/Walker, surely aware of their skills, help get their team playing better ball.

Robbie Burke would be my replacement at Newcomer...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2010, 02:46:54 PM

NEC has no real wins.  They haven't played anyone.  Curry and even Endicott have had better semesters.

Also, not having Ryan Sheehan on there somewhere is a travesty.  Nichols may be bad, but he's playing wonderfully, especially as a freshman.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 14, 2010, 04:29:08 PM
Does the NEC coach get coach of the semester for good coaching, or for scheduling the easiest games ever.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: yeah buddy on December 15, 2010, 02:50:45 PM
the league is down. as bad as gordon is they most likely will finish above 500 in league play. although they are going to rely on dempsey and walker alone. this is the weakest theyve been at the guard position in a long time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 15, 2010, 04:09:20 PM
Yes Gordon's weakness is certainly the guards. I can assume coach Murphy has a strong 2011-2012 class coming in, if not they are in big trouble.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 16, 2010, 07:29:24 PM
Eastern Nazarene lost to CalTech on Monday night 87-53 in Pasadena, CA.  Not only did they lose by 34 points to a team whose record is 1-31 in the past two seasons, but they also made history as it was CalTech's first back-to-back victory (beat non-NCAA American Sports University (2-9 record) last saturday) since the late 20th century. 

I'm hoping ENC's 10% three-point shooting, 32% field goal shooting, 50% free throw shooting on the night is somewhat of an excuse for this, but they only had 12 turnovers compared to CalTech's 13.  Chima Ezeibo got T'd up during the game.  Not trying to beat a dead horse but honestly this CCC showing is equally as bad if not worse than Gordon's 85-37 loss to Bates earler this month.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2010, 11:51:43 AM

ENC never had a chance in that game.  Flying from cold NE to sunny SoCal, plus the time change.

CalTech is not that bad; they just don't have bad teams to play on a regular basis.

People are making more of this than it is.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 17, 2010, 12:54:10 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 17, 2010, 11:51:43 AM

ENC never had a chance in that game.  Flying from cold NE to sunny SoCal, plus the time change.

CalTech is not that bad; they just don't have bad teams to play on a regular basis.

People are making more of this than it is.

It may not be just that they lost, but how they lost.  Going down double-digits 7 minutes into the game (they never cut it to single digits thereafter), trailing by 25 at halftime, trailing by as many as 38 points, and losing by 34 to a team that hadnt won a d3 game in years probably opens you up to some criticism.

With that said, I do think Caltech is much improved, and they will pickup some more wins this season.  I know you have mentioned several times that there are not as many bad D3 teams in SoCal for Caltech to schedule, but in many of the years where they lost a ton of games, they had a roster filled with guys who didnt even play in high school.  With those types of rosters I think they still would have lost to pretty much any team in NE.  However, a lot of the credit for them improvement has to go to Coach Eslinger and his recruiting.  They are bringing in more talented players, which is evidenced by their play on the court.  They arent at a level where they can keep up with better teams in D3, but I am sure that is what Coach Eslinger has in mind for the future as he continues to build the program and try to get better players to come to Pasadena.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2010, 09:15:19 AM

I feel like I'm in an awkward position here.  I've been making the Caltech argument for years and now, when there's some decent proof, it comes against the school I went to.

I doubt there's any way I can come off looking like a homer here.

I just don't think the "haven't one a d3 game in years" thing is overplayed.  I'm not saying they've been good, just that there hasn't been a huge disparity between them and the lowest tier of d3 school.

That's been a point I've been trying to make for years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 04:57:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 18, 2010, 09:15:19 AM

I feel like I'm in an awkward position here.  I've been making the Caltech argument for years and now, when there's some decent proof, it comes against the school I went to.

I doubt there's any way I can come off looking like a homer here.

I just don't think the "haven't one a d3 game in years" thing is overplayed.  I'm not saying they've been good, just that there hasn't been a huge disparity between them and the lowest tier of d3 school.

That's been a point I've been trying to make for years.

Here is a blog entry from a former Caltech player after last nights game.  He compares recruiting before and after Coach Eslinger's arrival:

http://mahalonottrash.blogspot.com/2010/12/beavers-win-beavers-win.html

Which echos my sentiment that the teams are much better now because they have players who actually played in high school.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 05:08:05 PM
Here is another video from 2007.  In this video, the former coach (before Eslinger) openly admits he doesnt have talented players and they arent going to win a lot of games.  I guess he just wasnt recruiting that hard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBXctFlWTA
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 20, 2010, 11:01:58 AM
Here is a question for everyone. What is more important a head coach who knows his X's and O's or a head coach who can recruit?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 20, 2010, 11:29:59 AM
You need both to win a championship generally, but overall the recruiting is far more important.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on December 20, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
Recruiting...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 20, 2010, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on December 20, 2010, 11:01:58 AM
Here is a question for everyone. What is more important a head coach who knows his X's and O's or a head coach who can recruit?

You can have the best system or plays in the world, but they wont mean anything if you dont have anyone to execute them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 20, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
At this level which position is the most important to have your star player? I say point guard
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 20, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on December 20, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
At this level which position is the most important to have your star player? I say point guard

1 and 5.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 21, 2010, 08:32:30 AM
Guards. The better your guards the better your team. If you have an elite post player it gives you a big advantage but you can't win without top flight guards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2010, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on December 20, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
At this level which position is the most important to have your star player? I say point guard

The most important place is in the post, but, in d3, and especially d3 in NE, if your post player is your best player, you're going to lose.  Post players with that much talent go to scholarship schools for the most part (and definitely where the CCC is concerned).  Academically high calibre schools can sometimes get them - that's why you see the UAA and the NESCAC doing well often.

I would have said PG a few years ago, but now I think if your best player is a combo guard, who can bring the ball up the floor and also score from the post when necessary, you're better off.  One player can win games in this league, maybe not the championship, but one player can get you into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mass_d3fan on December 21, 2010, 12:50:54 PM
In my ever so humble opinion, its not at all about who your best player is.  It is really about how a coach defines the roles he wants his players in.

It also depends on what your definition is for your "best" player.  Do you need your "best" to be a PG?  Or do you need a PG who understands his role and still a very a good player and runs the team in a way the coach desires, but is not considered to be your best player?  Does it pay to have a phenominal PG, but average or less than average players that can't take advantage of what the PG can do as far as opening up scoring opportunities.  Assists only get counted if someone makes a bucket off a good pass or drive & dish.

Does "Best" =

best shooter?
best scorer?
best defender?
best ball handler?
best "big" ?
best "all-around" ?

these terms tend to be open to individual interpretation and evaluation.

A great scorer may considered to be the "best" on a
particular teasm, but he may not have the defensive ability to play the same number of minutes on another coaches team.  Some coaches consider a lock-down defender who can score when his team needs it as the best player.


Hugenerd can maybe give some insight into how best changes based on the make-up of a team in referencing wether Jimmy B (definitely MIT's Best Player before the current group started last year)would have been the goto guy if he were on the current team.  Lets assume he he came in with the current group or was a soph last season.  My bet is that he would havce been a very good player, but when you put him on the court with the group from last year, he is not going to be the dominant game-in game-out scorer.  He would have his big games from time time-to-time, but he would also have games where he his numbers would be down in favor of Hollingsworth, Kates, Tashman  and others.  Then coming into this year, he would have been a component to machine, not the engine.

There has already been a little discussion in regards to this point of "best" in the NEWMAC forum in regards to who was the MVP/POY to this point.  Acouple of guys who are high profile scorers, or Kates a PG.  People see these roles differently when it comes to things like awards and descriptions like "best player".

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: mass_d3fan on December 21, 2010, 01:08:07 PM
I do agree with Nerd, start by finding the best 1 & 5 possible is how construct a solid team.

I mean on both ends, not just offensively. On the offensive end, I am a true believer in the inside-out concept.  If you can't establish a solid inside game then your going to have success against weak teams and on those nights when your perimeter guys are red hot.  What are you going to do on the nights when foul trouble, poor shooting or just good D by your opponent is shutting down your perimeter scoring?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 21, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
It all boils down to guard play though. If you don't have a guard who can handle the ball and distribute it to your bigs then your toast. Look at Gordon this year. They look trigg and bajema and did a poor job of recruiting and they can't get the ball over half court. They have two great bigs with Walker and Dempsey yet they are getting killed because they can't get the ball over.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 21, 2010, 08:17:26 PM
Bartolotta is a whole different situation.  Any time you have someone getting triple teamed and still scoring 28 ppg, thats someone who is going to score a lot no matter the situation (also, I am not sure if the National POY is a good case study to use when we are talking about the position you need most on a team.  I am sure if anyone had a choice between a solid point guard, and the national POY who happens to be a 2, everyone would pick the national POY).

If he played with Kates and Hollingsworth (which actually could have happened, Kates played a post grad year and Hollingsworth went to Brown for a year), I dont think Bartolotta's production would have gone down, I just think his role would have changed.  He probably would have had to work less for his shots, because Kates could have set him up or from kickouts from Hollingsworth in the post.  Therefore, conceivably, his production could have gone up, with more open shots, more freedom on offense to crash the boards and get easy put backs, less focus from the defense, not having to worry as much about concerving energy because he had to play 40 a night, etc.  Maybe his total shots would go down, with more being distributed to Hollingsworth, but we will never know because it didnt play out that way, so all we can do is speculate.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 22, 2010, 10:34:24 AM
Watch out for Gordon the second half of the season...the will finish in the top 3 in the league. you heard it here first.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 23, 2010, 01:35:54 PM
lets pump the brakes on saying that walker and dempsey are "great" bigs...ill give you solid/good...but great is a reach
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on December 23, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
Dempsey is a special player, there is no one in this league that can guard him, if he gets his outside shot going he is deadly. He will be the POY before he graduates. Walker is a solid big that would start for any team in the league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 23, 2010, 03:00:22 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on December 23, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
Dempsey is a special player, there is no one in this league that can guard him, if he gets his outside shot going he is deadly. He will be the POY before he graduates. Walker is a solid big that would start for any team in the league.

Saying that a team can start for any team in the CCC is not that big of a statement.

Please, check biases at the door and objectively speak about every team in the conference. It will save you a lot of ridicule and save people who have been here a while from the pains of redundancy.

Gordon is down this year. Plain an simple. They have a few solid pieces, but not enough to consistently be counted on to win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 28, 2010, 01:32:54 PM
CCC league play starts this week.  The equality between the teams is very close this year.  Just to give an idea, the league leader in non-conference wins, New England College, beat Berkeley (N.Y.) on the road in overtime.  Gordon, currently #9 in pre-conference play, and Endicott, currently #4 in pre-conference play also both beat Berkeley (although Gordon's win similarly came in OT, while Endicott beat them more handily). 

Should be an interesting year.  Can't believe WNEC is 0-9 to start the year and Curry is 1-7.  Who really knows what the league standings will be 2 months from now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 29, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
BIG game tomorrow with WIT playing at Gordon...this is a classic rivalry and will be a great game...Big sam (not cement shoes) will need to hold down dempsey and walker while putting up solid numbers himself...I think WIT's guard play will be better than gordons but on a game like this it all depends on who shows up!  Should be a great game and I look forward to watching it!!!

WIT +10
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 29, 2010, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: WITball on December 29, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
BIG game tomorrow with WIT playing at Gordon...this is a classic rivalry and will be a great game...Big sam (not cement shoes) will need to hold down dempsey and walker while putting up solid numbers himself...I think WIT's guard play will be better than gordons but on a game like this it all depends on who shows up!  Should be a great game and I look forward to watching it!!!

WIT +10

You think Gordon should win by 10 points?

Considering your bias, I think you meant WIT -10.

The favored team is minus whatever the margin is. The underdog is plus whatever the margin is. Don't set a line unless you know how. We appreciate the enthusiasm, though. I always like a good point spread.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 30, 2010, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: WITball on December 29, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
BIG game tomorrow with WIT playing at Gordon...this is a classic rivalry and will be a great game...

Agreed.  The Wentworth-Gordon rivalry has really heated up the past few years, especially after that huge playoff upset in 2007.  Apparently there was a lot of trash talking on Youtube between former Wentworth players (who were making personal attacks against Gordon as an academic institution) and Gordon fans, but we won't get into that here.  Good luck to both teams tomorrow night should be a great game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 30, 2010, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on December 30, 2010, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: WITball on December 29, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
BIG game tomorrow with WIT playing at Gordon...this is a classic rivalry and will be a great game...

Agreed.  The Wentworth-Gordon rivalry has really heated up the past few years, especially after that huge playoff upset in 2007.  Apparently there was a lot of trash talking on Youtube between former Wentworth players (who were making personal attacks against Gordon as an academic institution) and Gordon fans, but we won't get into that here.  Good luck to both teams tomorrow night should be a great game.

Not to spark controversy, but should that 2007 game still be considered an upset?  Wentworth went on to the win the championship and had a pretty stacked roster.  1 player of the year and 1 eventual player of the year.  Ok I guess I am trying to spark controversy afterall . . .
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 30, 2010, 08:02:36 AM
There's probably only 2 or 3 of us on this board that were even following the league then.

Let's move on.

I like Wentworth by 5 or so tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 30, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 30, 2010, 08:02:36 AM
There's probably only 2 or 3 of us on this board that were even following the league then.

Let's move on.

I like Wentworth by 5 or so tonight.

That game began, was, and ended with Sherrad Prezzie-Blue. The Gordon team was filled with talent, but SPB won that game single handedly.

As for tonight, I have no idea what will happen. Gordon has been polarizing to say the least, reaching both extremes in terms of results. Wentworth has had a little consistency, but their non-con wasn't anywhere as tough as Gordon's.

I'm of the belief that tonight's game will go on to say a lot more about these two teams going forward than anything so far has done to say about tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 30, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
First of Scout I dont gamble, never have and never will, its a waste of money so yes I obviously meant "wit -10" but as far as im concerend If i think wit will win by more than 10 points its +10...Second the 2007 game was also won by todd doyle hitting big shots at the end, weonard bynes punching Herrs (i think that was his name) dunk attempt up into the bleachers, and also very solid play from brian gaine....the game was lost by bajema who had a wide open jumper to win the game (due to defensive discommunication) but rimmed out...prob. one of the craziest atmospheres for a d3 game i have ever witnessed...When it comes down to it though PBJ killed it that game, like he did most nights
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 30, 2010, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: WITball on December 30, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
First of Scout I dont gamble, never have and never will, its a waste of money so yes I obviously meant "wit -10" but as far as im concerend If i think wit will win by more than 10 points its +10...Second the 2007 game was also won by todd doyle hitting big shots at the end, weonard bynes punching Herrs (i think that was his name) dunk attempt up into the bleachers, and also very solid play from brian gaine....the game was lost by bajema who had a wide open jumper to win the game (due to defensive discommunication) but rimmed out...prob. one of the craziest atmospheres for a d3 game i have ever witnessed...When it comes down to it though PBJ killed it that game, like he did most nights

It's all good. I don't gamble either, but knew how the points spread works... so I thought I'd set the record straight.

Anyway, SPB did kill it that night. 30 points and it was all done when everyone in the gym knew the ball was going to him late in the game. Of course Doyle had his inside, but it was secondary to the effort of SPB.

In any case, I'm just interested to see how the conference shakes itself out for the last time before a few teams leave.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 30, 2010, 04:37:39 PM
Quote from: WITball on December 30, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
the game was lost by bajema who had a wide open jumper to win the game (due to defensive discommunication) but rimmed out...

Obviously Bajema alone did not lose the game, the team did.  Not sure if you were a part of the Youtube trash talk atrocities that followed the game and continued up until last February when Gordon squashed it as conference champs, but your style of talk certaintly leaves you open to speculation (Weonard Bynes "punching" Mike Herr's dunk attempt into the stands, Brady Bajema "losing" the game because of a missed game-winner, etc.)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 31, 2010, 08:31:13 AM
I have actually never heard of any of the youtube comments or even heard of the "trash talk" that went on youtube...so in a sense thats a lofty assumption and honestly makes you seem like a child putting that on me...however its part of the game, unless things get too rude or whatever, i did heard some gordon parents last night saying some mean and rude things, though they werent loud i was under the impression that "do to others as you would like done to you"...WIT killed gordon, my spread was way of to the tune of 20 points...Dempsey will not be player of the year, simple fact, I did like the kid austin benson as he was the only one out there for gordon who looked like he was ready to play...good hustler and strong player.  Wit was firing from behind the arc, cement shoes looked great, derek mayo was solid (my ROY pick)...WIT will do well in conference play if they play unselfish TEAM ball like they did last night.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 31, 2010, 08:32:05 AM
you also say "etc" what else did i say?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 31, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
Nothing.  Anyway, Derek Mayo was impressive from deep.  Seems like he has a big enough body to develop a scoring game in a variety of ways too (gets my Rookie of Week vote).  If Wentworth shoots consistently like they did last night, Sam Herrick will have even better scoring opportunities down low.  Anyway, these two teams will face each other in a week we'll see if there's any change.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 05, 2011, 10:49:11 AM
Great win by Gordon last night. I see they must have picked up a point guard Park Thomas. Hope he can help keep the TO's down. Dempsey and walker were spectacular again.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 05, 2011, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on January 05, 2011, 10:49:11 AM
Great win by Gordon last night. I see they must have picked up a point guard Park Thomas. Hope he can help keep the TO's down. Dempsey and walker were spectacular again.


How come we don't hear from you when Gordon gets cracked by 30 by Wentworth?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 06, 2011, 07:56:25 AM
Great win last night for RWU they are looking like the class of the league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 06, 2011, 11:36:39 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on January 05, 2011, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on January 05, 2011, 10:49:11 AM
Great win by Gordon last night. I see they must have picked up a point guard Park Thomas. Hope he can help keep the TO's down. Dempsey and walker were spectacular again.


How come we don't hear from you when Gordon gets cracked by 30 by Wentworth?

I was on vacation I apologize that I am not married to the ccc message board. Gordon was terrible against WIT. Walker is going to have to play better but i think they will adjust to having their new point guard with better things to come.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: zach on January 08, 2011, 01:33:25 PM
As someone who does not follow D-3 sports, I was wondering what is the history on WNEC? I see that they aren't very good this year, is that expected to change within the next few years?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 08, 2011, 03:34:15 PM
I am not sure what the next few years for Wnec looks like. they have been a very solid team in years past. It might just be a weak year overall for the tccc, the league graduated a lot of good seniors and had some good players transfer
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 08, 2011, 07:11:57 PM
Gordon got the beat down by WIT. Apparently they have the answer to silencing greg walker. sad performance by the scots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 08, 2011, 07:29:16 PM
Maybe this has been addressed (I admit to monumental laziness)m but what's up with UNE this year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: zach on January 09, 2011, 07:43:35 AM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on January 08, 2011, 03:34:15 PM
I am not sure what the next few years for Wnec looks like. they have been a very solid team in years past. It might just be a weak year overall for the tccc, the league graduated a lot of good seniors and had some good players transfer

Ok I'm a senior in high school and got accepted there so I was wondering if their sport teams are going to be any good in the 4 years I'm there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 09, 2011, 10:29:51 AM
WNEC is very strong in a lot of sports. Particularly baseball and also now in football. Hoops they are usually decent this year seems to be a bit of an anomaly.

As for UNE- if you look at the roster a lot less is coming from down South and lot more is coming from locally and that is a bad recipe of them.

WIT-Gordon- stats are crazy. Gordon put up 40 points in a league game. Not good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 09, 2011, 12:17:21 PM
Gordon got killed again, all the scots fans are keeping quite, quite a suprise, walker and dempsey are awful against wit, dempsey had 10pts 6rebs and walker had 6pts 3rebs, not to good of a performance from the "hands down" POY...Wit looks great no matter how you cut it, i think curry will give them a run and maybe RWU but we will see.  Corey T. Was great, KBP was great, Mayo was solid, Cement shoes was Solid, Dombrowski and Prue were letting it rain and role players like Mike mclure and some other freshman were big for wit tonight..."their style was impetuous, their defense impregnable, they were ferocious" 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 10, 2011, 09:17:41 AM
Dear WITball, please read my post on the previous page how I said that Gordon played terrible once again and Walker got shut down. thanks for reading before you start spewing. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2011, 01:45:28 PM
Zach, ihdavis and WITball: Welcome to the message board. Thanks for joining!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: zach on January 10, 2011, 04:42:40 PM
thanks for the welcoming, really the only two sports I can about are football and basketball. Do they have any big recruits coming in that could turn the basketball team around?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 11, 2011, 09:22:09 AM
Dear TCCfan2010, i didnt know this wasnt a blog board and that once someone posted something once it isnt ok for anyone else to post anything from their perspective...DEMPSEY FOR POY!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 09:31:55 AM

1) No one really has much clue what you guys are arguing about anymore.

2) There are those of us here for whom 2006 is recent history and unimportant recent history, at that.

3) Move on.  Please.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 08:45:53 PM

Second night of conference play underway.

Salve lost to Regis 63-75.  16 and 8 from Neal; 13 and 9 from Alibrandi.  Josselin scored 18.  Regis played basically six guys.  SRU was led by Birrell with 12 and 11 along with 5 assists.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
Nichols and Endicott are in OT.

Endicott was up 19-15 at the half; Nichols then won the second half 45-41.  Crazy game.

Bennett Knowlton hit a jumper with six seconds left to put EC up one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 09:18:57 PM

EC hold on to win 69-68.  Ryan Sheehan led NC with 26 points; they won the rebound battle 48-30, but it wasn't enough.  EC had four guys in double digits and shot 45% from the field.  They had half the turnovers of NC, which probably made up for the rebounding differential.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 09:22:17 PM

CSC wins at NEC 66-59. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 09:45:08 PM

RWU went to OT against WNEC, winning 73-72.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 09:52:15 PM

Anna Maria with a big win over Gordon in Wenham, 75-61.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 09:53:20 PM

Wentworth shows their form win an 80-59 win at ENC.


Curry over UNE 79-66.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 11, 2011, 09:58:53 PM
Its all good hoops, he was just saying to me that he already posted that gordon got beat...i just wasnt aware that you couldnt post anything that has already been said...water under the bridge....Dont know specifics about tonights wit game but it looks like they handled ENC pretty well....Go WIT!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2011, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: WITball on January 11, 2011, 09:58:53 PM
Its all good hoops, he was just saying to me that he already posted that gordon got beat...i just wasnt aware that you couldnt post anything that has already been said...water under the bridge....Dont know specifics about tonights wit game but it looks like they handled ENC pretty well....Go WIT!!

The box score will be interesting.  Herrick and Ezigbo have been the best rebounders thus far in the league.  We'll see how they were able to board against each other.  I'll also be interested to see how ENC's freshmen held up.  They played well against EC, but we can expect some inconsistency.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 11, 2011, 10:03:34 PM
No worries WITball, Gordon got another beating. Lets hope coach murphy is hitting the recruiting trail hard.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 12, 2011, 08:35:13 AM
I heard through the grapevine that chima is done for the year? anyone know if theres any truth to that?  honestly gordon has a solid team just no point guard...they shift between about 3 guys during the game
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 12, 2011, 09:42:27 AM
I am hoping Gordon's transfer Park Thomas can step it up, though he is a freshman and has lots to learn.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 12, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
is austin benson a senior? if everyone on that team could take a page out of his book they would be a totally different team...kid hustles non-stop...Derek Mayo killed it for WIT last night 17pts for a freshman is no joke, Cement shoes layed down another double double, however without chima im not sure who on ENC could have stopped him...Big non-conference game against East Conn on saturday for WIT, East Conn ended WITs season last year in the opening game of the ECAC tourney, should be some bad blood and hopefully the WIT crew hasnt forgotten about getting beat twice by them last year...Should be a good game!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2011, 12:15:06 PM

Hey, so apparently Ezeigbo is out at ENC, probably for the year.  That might explain the big loss yesterday as they lack any other real post presence.  I guess the freshmen really will have to step up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 12, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Which begs the question. How did ENC win by 10 at Endicott without Chima...either they're not bad or Endicott is
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 12, 2011, 01:27:34 PM
Quote from: WITball on January 12, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
is austin benson a senior? if everyone on that team could take a page out of his book they would be a totally different team...kid hustles non-stop...Derek Mayo killed it for WIT last night 17pts for a freshman is no joke, Cement shoes layed down another double double, however without chima im not sure who on ENC could have stopped him...Big non-conference game against East Conn on saturday for WIT, East Conn ended WITs season last year in the opening game of the ECAC tourney, should be some bad blood and hopefully the WIT crew hasnt forgotten about getting beat twice by them last year...Should be a good game!

WITBALL, yes Austin B is a senior, he is a horse. he goes hard nonstop. Who is cement shoes for WIT?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2011, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on January 12, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Which begs the question. How did ENC win by 10 at Endicott without Chima...either they're not bad or Endicott is

EC doesn't have much of a post game, do they?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2011, 03:23:23 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on January 12, 2011, 01:27:34 PM
Quote from: WITball on January 12, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
is austin benson a senior? if everyone on that team could take a page out of his book they would be a totally different team...kid hustles non-stop...Derek Mayo killed it for WIT last night 17pts for a freshman is no joke, Cement shoes layed down another double double, however without chima im not sure who on ENC could have stopped him...Big non-conference game against East Conn on saturday for WIT, East Conn ended WITs season last year in the opening game of the ECAC tourney, should be some bad blood and hopefully the WIT crew hasnt forgotten about getting beat twice by them last year...Should be a good game!

WITBALL, yes Austin B is a senior, he is a horse. he goes hard nonstop. Who is cement shoes for WIT?

That was the name I gave to Sam Herrick after watching him in November.  He looks like he's moving in slow motion almost all the time.  That's not really a commentary on his playing, just sort of freaky to watch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 12, 2011, 04:51:51 PM
if a 6'11 kid had good footwork he wouldn't be playing in the TCCC thats for sure. WIT better thank their lucky stars he is slower than my grandmother.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 12, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
Great nickname by the way    ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 13, 2011, 09:42:50 AM
Herrick is a good player though, irregardless of whether you all think he isnt good enough to play anywhere besides D3 he did play one year at UNH (got decent PT) and then played some at Bryant during its transition phase from a good D2 team to a D1 Squad....Trust me hes good enough to play D1, I actually think it may be harder for someone like him to go off in this league as opposed to in a D1 or D2 setting where there are other guys his size that he could match up with an play well against (wait for the RWU game, sam will destroy flanagan if RWU doesnt send help)...Every WIT game ive been to this year he has been getting doubled from the other big and the guards are digging down or coming to double and sometimes triple team...I dont care who you are its hard to get the ball to the hoop with 2-3 guys on you...WIT doesnt have any other real bigs (yet) so it makes it easier for other teams to send their other big to double...All the attention is on him in the post which, from experiance, makes it much harder to score/rebound...Hes a good player, not super explosive or fast like some of the 6'5" big men in the TCCC but add another 60 pounds and 6" to any of those guys and they would be in the same speed category as sam if not worse...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 13, 2011, 02:34:54 PM
WIT Vs. East Conn.....POSTPONED!? Really? does tansey have a new retractable roof that they forgot to close?  I know the roads into the city are clear of snow so unless the fine state of Conn cant clean theirs up then whats the deal? 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2011, 03:34:41 PM

I like Herrick.  He's a good dude and a tough player, he just moves like he's at 3/4ths speed.  He gets to where he needs to be and he's got great hands.  He's a top player.  Cement Shoes just seems to fit when you watch him run.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2011, 08:24:26 PM

EC 71, WNEC 67.  WNEC still hasn't won a game.  They got 22 from Andre Shaw and 14 boards from Lomas.  EC was led by 16 and 8 from Lachlan McGee - a lot of great freshmen in the league this year.  The next few should be a lot of fun.  EC hit 18-21 FTs in the second half to wipe away and 11 point deficit.

NEC 77, NC 61.  Sheehan had 22; Kuntz had 19.  Those guys are going to have to put up with a lot of crap for a while until the rest of the team comes around.  Farragher led NEC with 21 and 8.

WIT 64, RWU 46.  13 and 13 for Big Sam, 20 and 7 for Dombrowski, and 19 pts for Buke-Pitts.  RWU had 3 and 7 from Engemann.  Not a good game for Roger Williams; Wentworth continues to roll.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2011, 08:31:29 PM

Gordon over ENC 75-60.  ENC is going to struggle without the big man.  Alston had 24 and Flakes had 15, but the team was out rebounded 31-46.  Walker went for 19 and 15, while Dempsey had 22 and 10.

Salve 75, UNE 58.  There's going to be a scrum at the bottom in the CCC this season - lots of incomplete squads.  Birrell went 26-6-6 for SRU.  Winn had 13 for UNE.

Regis over Curry in a tight one, 70-66.  26 from Neal.  Jones went 18 and 10 for Curry; Jackson had 22 off the bench.  51 combined FTs, only 20 combined turnovers.  Solid game.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 16, 2011, 10:05:31 AM
Is Wentworth for real? They lost a lot from last year and then started the season playing horribly. The last few weeks have been pretty impressive. Well coached team and they seem to be really shutting down star players.

I still think the league runs through Curry but who knows if they are as good as I thought?

Also huge props to Bill Foti up at Colby Sawyer who lost a LOT from last year and is currently in first place as well behind the contributions of 2 freshman.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: akirk on January 16, 2011, 08:45:56 PM
Gordon played a good game on Saturday but still has a long way to go.  The transfer point guard that they picked up will be much better than what they had before but he still has to learn the offense.  As the season goes on they will get better.  I just hope they haven't lost hope already.  They may not be a top seed but they could be a tough game come the playoffs if they start playing as a team and not a collection of talents.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2011, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on January 16, 2011, 10:05:31 AM
Is Wentworth for real? They lost a lot from last year and then started the season playing horribly. The last few weeks have been pretty impressive.

I saw them early on when they were losing games they absolutely should have won.  You can go back about ten pages and see my scouting report.  WIT has all the pieces to win the CCC, they just have to get it all together.  They're playing well right now.  We'll see if they can keep it up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 19, 2011, 09:42:35 PM
Great effort by Gordon tonight. 48-49 loss to RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2011, 08:38:34 AM

Either Foti's back or that crazy referee crew is - let's all hope its the former.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 20, 2011, 08:52:13 AM
WIT goes down to WNEC by 9....Live by the three die by the three...I didnt go to this game but alot of WIT's success has came from behind the arc...they were 3-20 last night in this area.  Big Sam had a good game 22pts 10rebs and Corey T. had 15pts...Also cant win when only two guys show up.  Minor speed bump for the leopards as I expect them to come back strong against endicott this weekend.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2011, 08:56:15 AM
We got the CSC info already; here's the rest of the rundown:

Salve big over Nichols  96-62.  Birrell went for 14, 9, and 8 in 29 minutes.  He's playing very well.  Hinkson had 23 and the bench got a lot of minutes.  Nichols went to the bench as well, maybe out of desperation.  Sheehan had 27 - he better be working the phones to recruit for next year, that or calling other teams looking for a spot.

AMC over EC 86-66.  Anthony Click went for 26, 7, and 8.  Five guys in double figures and they hit the boards hard.  EC shot quite poorly.  Burkhart had 15.

WNEC gets into the win column with a 63-54 win over WIT - that's a big win.  Maybe the Wentworth guys were tired from the arduous drive to Springfield?  WIT shot horribly, 3-20 from deep.  Herrick had 22 and 10.  Here's my thought on Wentworth - they need Cement Shoes to get a double double every night, but he can't be the leading scorer.  Conor Lomas pulled down 14 boards for WNEC; Mienkeweitz had 18 points.  16-30 from the line isn't great, but 30 trips to the line won them the game.

Regis over NEC 79-64.  Neal either was injured or really shut down.  Robert Edwards picked up the slack, scoring 28 for Regis; Alibrandi had 19.  Farragher had 22 and 10 for NEC; Hennessy went 11 and 12 in 18 minutes before fouling out.  Same story as the previous game - NEC shot horribly and lost it.

ENC on the road over UNE 73-80.  Charles Fenner had 25 for UNE off the bench.  For
ENC John Flakes played 39 minutes and had 19 and 11; Aaron Johnson had 22.  They held their own on the boards.

Gordon 48, RWU 49.  Nearly identical statline across the board.  This must have been a battle.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2011, 04:18:13 PM

CSC tops Nichols 55-52 at NC.  Sheehan had only 8 points on 3-10 shooting; Nichols still hung tough - 12 and 10 from Kuntz.  Robbie Burke went for 15 and 10; 10 and 7 from Brandon Carbone off the bench.  CSC shot 1-17 from deep, but 16-20 from the FT line and won the rebound battle.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2011, 04:46:18 PM

EC over WIT 75-71.  Wentworth had another awful shooting night.  Herrick went for 25 and 14; Terriault had 22.  EC was led by 30 from Lance Green.  Big road win for Endicott; another tough loss for Wentworth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2011, 05:00:43 PM

NEC over RWU 47-44.  No box score.


AMC over UNE 94-85.  29 points from De La Hoz.  Anthony Click had a triple double for AMC - 10, 14, and 12, with three steals.  He's been playing very well of late.  Five guys in double figures.  UNE was led by 24 from Marcus Winn and 21 from Fenner.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Gordon beat Curry 80-42 two days after the Colonels lost 45-101 to Amherst.  Rough weekend for CC.  No box score yet.

Salve over WNEC 60-62.  Thomka had 21 and 14 for WNEC; Hinkson had 13 to pace Salve.  Salve shot horribly and still pulled it out.

No word from the ENC-Regis game yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 22, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
What has gone wrong with Curry? Gordon dominated them. crazy year in the CCC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2011, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: ihdavis on January 22, 2011, 08:32:41 PM
Anyone know why only Jones played vs Amherst on Thursday, and neither him nor Jackson played today for the Colonels vs. Gordon?


Pretty typical for Curry.  There's always some mysterious absences during the year - injuries, grades, or behavior.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2011, 07:57:31 PM

Nichols won a conference game with an impressive road win over WNEC, 73-90. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 28, 2011, 08:19:21 AM
WIT edges out Salve by three (70-67)  Wasnt there so cant comment much besides boxscore and some insider info.  Heard it was a battle, Herrick ties school record with 22 rebounds to go with 14 points.  Dombrowski had 21pts...WIT plays at Regis tomorrow at 3, should be a good game, WIT should blow them out but regis is a vet. team with some talent
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on January 28, 2011, 09:15:23 AM
Looks like Gordon and NEC was a battle too, Gordon edged by a late 3. That is two one point conference loses now for Gordon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 28, 2011, 11:02:08 AM

So we're basically at the halfway point for conference play with six games down.  Right now .500 ball gets you into the tournament, but everyone is mathematically still alive.

In all likelihood Nichols, WNEC, and UNE are probably out.  Curry and ENC may also be out of hope given the losses/injuries they've endured.

The second half should be interesting.  CSC is undefeated, AMC and Regis are playing strong - even NEC seems to be stronger than past years.  It should be a wild ride.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2011, 05:42:49 PM

Roger Williams knocked off Colby-Sawyer 70-64; no one's running the table this year.  Flanagan led RWU with 20 and 13.  Their shooting was off the charts - 10 of 20 from deep and 18 of 26 from the FT line.  Bardaglio had 16, Burke had 15.  CSC also shot well, just not near as many FTs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2011, 05:54:38 PM

Nichols over Curry 66-62; both teams continue their respective trends.  Jackson led Curry with a strong game and 24 points, but he can't do it on his own.  Sheehan had 15; Kuntz had 26.  Awful three point shooting from Nichols, but they hit the boards hard and got to the line.

EC over Gordon at Gordon, 77-62.  23 from Lance Green; 13 and 11 from Callo.  For Gordon, Walker had 17, Bentson 15, and Dempsey 14 - not much else from anyone else.  EC got to the line and went 22-25.  Rebounds went EC's way as well.

UNE over WNEC 58-46.  I didn't even bother looking for a boxscore.

Salve over NEC 81-67.  22 for Hinkson, 19 for Birrell.  Hennessey had 13 boards for NEC.  Salve went 26-29 from the line.  It seems like a FT kind of night around the league.

Wentworth bounces back and tops Regis 76-58 on the road.  Neal had 15 and fouled out with only 27 minutes of court time.  For WIT, Herrick went 19 and 9; Dombrowski had 21.  22 of 27 from the FT line for WIT.  I'm sensing a trend.

No score from AMC at ENC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2011, 05:59:53 PM

So I had this theory a couple of weeks back that WIT could only win if Herrick was not the leading scorer.  I had a few minutes today so I went back and checked.  So far this year, every WIT win has seen some else score the most points and all but two losses had seen Herrick leading the scoring column.  Both of those outliers were in November before Dombrowski was back from injury.

Seems like the game plan should be: let Cement Shoes get his and focus on shutting down the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 30, 2011, 10:28:04 AM
Box scores only show sam blocking 2-4 shots a game but he alters about 10 more shots throughout the game...Last night Regis missed a number of layups that should have easily been made but the thought of sam sending it out of bounds made the regis players miss a generally routine shot.  Its happened in other games and it makes sense.  Sam puts his hands up and they are at the rim and it seriously changes other players shots....good game from WIT when they move the ball they win...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:12:45 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2011, 07:20:11 PM

Crazy Saturday today.  We now see Anna Maria atop the conference, with a two game lead.

AMC beat WIT 74-68 in Boston.  AMC beat the pattern, beating WIT even without Herrick leading in points (he went for 12 and 10).  Therriault had 17.  AMC was led by 17 from De La Hoz and 16 from Pinsenault.  AMC had the double barrel firing - 50% from deep and a strong showing inside.

Gordon over Nichols 71-68.  GC stays alive.  Greg Walker had 32 points for Gordon; Sheehan had 28 for Nichols.  Gordon hit better from the FT line.

Regis over EC 68-63.  Neal with 16.  Erik Callo went 12 and 12 for Endicott.  Team numbers are nearly identical across the board.  Regis was up 10 at the half; EC came back, but not far enough.

ENC 91, Curry 77.  Jones led Curry with 18.  Max Barbosa had 25 from ENC, 12 from the FT line.  Flakes added 19.  Curry is really on a spiral after a promising start to the year.

WNEC posted a third straight conference win, beating NEC 64-58.  Farragher went for 17 and 12 for NEC.  WNEC was led by 17 from Andre Shaw.  What's more, Thomka played only 10 minutes and WNEC still pulled out the win.  They're only two out from a tournament spot with four to go.  No word in the recap about Thomka's minutes; I suppose injury.  Hope its not too bad.

Salve over CSC 73-66.  Burke led CSC with 16; John Roberts went for 12 and 14.  Salve got 20 from Hinkson and 15 from Birrell.  Hinkson was lighting it up from deep and CSC couldn't buy a three.

Roger Williams over UNE 64-47.  UNE is officially eliminated from the tournament. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on February 07, 2011, 11:15:26 PM
Curious of the posters thoughts of who is the league's best:

Best Team:

Best Coach:

Best Player:

Best Point Guard:

Best Low-Post Scorer:

Best Shooter:

Best Dunker:

Best Defender:
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 08, 2011, 08:51:23 AM
here's some nominees at least.

Best Team: We'll know in a few weeeks.

Best Coach: Sean Conrad Anna Maria turned things around. Sean Foster from Salve Regina also turned things around. Tom Devitt from Wentworth they always seem well coached. Bill Foti from CSC (same thing)

Best Player: Anthony Click from Anna Maria, Lance Green from Endicott, Derek Neal from Regis,  Sedale Jones from Curry,

Best Point Guard: Junior De La Hoz from Anna Maria, Lance Green from Endicott, Ryan Birrell from Salve Regina

Best Low-Post Scorer: Sam Herrick from Wentworth, Greg Walker from Gordon

Best Shooter: Will Bardaglio from Colby-Sawyer, Ryan Sheehan Nichols, Chris Pinsonault Anna Mara

Best Dunker: weak class of dunkers this year but: Robert Edwards from Regis, Eric Callo from Endicott

Best Defender: Austin Bentson Gordon, Ryan Birrell Salve Regina,
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 08, 2011, 11:20:47 AM
Best Team: WIT
Best Coach: AMC Coach, from a team that was awful to one of the best in the league
Best Player: A. Click, when was the last Triple-Double in TCCC?
Best PG: Birrell
Best Low Post: Magic Shoes Herrick (15pts 12rebs)
Best Shooter: Bardaglio
Best Dunker: Hands down Mike McClure from WIT, Kids got bounce
Best Defender: Defense?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 08, 2011, 11:50:30 AM
Rest Of The Way In The CCC

Current Place Team Current Record (Games Remaining/Results) Final Record

1.  Anna Maria 8-1 (RWU, NEC, @WNEC, RC) (L,W,W,W) (11-2)
2.  Endicott 6-3 (UNE, @SRU, @NEC, CC) (W, L, W, W) (9-4)
2.  RWU  6-3 (@AMC, RC, CC, ENC) (W, L, W, W) 9-4
2.  Regis 6-3 (WNEC, @RWU, NC, @AMC) (W, W, W, L) 9-4
2.  Wentworth 6-3 (@NC, @CC, CSC, @NEC) (W,W,W,W) 10-3
2. Colby-Sawyer 6-3 (@GC, UNE, @WIT, @WNEC) (L, W, L, W) 8-5
7. NEC 5-4 (@ ENC, @AMC, EC, WIT) (W, L, L, L) 6-7
7. Salve Regina 5-4 (CC, EC, @ENC, @ GC) (W, W, W, W) 9-4
9. Gordon 4-5 (CSC, WNEC, @UNE, SRU) (W, W W, L) 7-6
10 ENC 3-6 (NEC, NC, SRU, @RWU) (L, L, L, L) 3-10
10. WNEC 3-6 (@RC, @GC, AMC, CSC) (L, L, L, L) 3-10
12. Nichols (2-7) (WIT, @ENC, @RC, @UNE) (L, W, L, W) 4-9
12. Curry (2-7) (@SRU, WIT, @RWU, @EC) (L, L, L, L) 2-11
14. UNE (1-8) (@EC, @CSC, GC, NC) (L, L, L, L) 1-12

Final Playoff Standings:
1. Anna Maria (11-2)
2. Wentworth (10-3)
3. Regis (9-4)
4. Roger Williams (9-4)
5. Salve Regina (9-4)
6. Endicott (9-4)
7. Colby-Sawyer 8-5
8. Gordon 7-6
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2011, 02:46:04 PM

Mathematically everyone but UNE is still alive, however, given what we've seen, I think Gordon is the only team outside the top 8 with a shot at the playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2011, 11:16:40 AM

With three games to go, we're down to 11 still in the hunt.

ENC and WNEC must win out, with at least one of the five(!) teams tied at 6-4 losing out.  Gordon is just one game back.

I see some massive tiebreaker scenarios here.  I'm not going there just yet - probably with just one game to go.

There's very little chance anyone but AMC will claim the conference title (Regis and WIT are still alive, but with long odds).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 09, 2011, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 09, 2011, 11:16:40 AM

With three games to go, we're down to 11 still in the hunt.

ENC and WNEC must win out, with at least one of the five(!) teams tied at 6-4 losing out.  Gordon is just one game back.

I see some massive tiebreaker scenarios here.  I'm not going there just yet - probably with just one game to go.

There's very little chance anyone but AMC will claim the conference title (Regis and WIT are still alive, but with long odds).
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Med school has precluded me from keeping better tabs on the league as a whole. However, it seems that this year has been defined by trending momentum and the loss thereof.

Heading into the final stretch, are there teams that look better than when the season started? Teams that are falling apart?

I'm curious as to what dynamics are at play as the tournament approaches.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 11, 2011, 08:13:53 AM
WIT tops East Conn by 14...wasnt east conn ranked in the regional rankings a few weeks back? by the transitive property I now say WIT is a top ten team in new england!!! Go Leps!  Wasnt at the game specifically but i know east conn is a solid team and its a good win for WIT and should help the leopards with the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on February 11, 2011, 11:38:22 AM
WITball

that is a pretty silly statement that WIT is now a top team in the northeast.  That is like saying St. John's should be number 2 in the country for killing Duke last week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 11, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Pretty sure he was speaking ironically. Also how's that Dempsey for Player of The Year campaign going?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 11, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
hahaha, spot on CCCtalk, spot on...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on February 11, 2011, 09:10:32 PM
ooooh    good one my man.    ;D   I agree I spoke too soon, Dave doesn't have enough support around him yet which allows teams to triple team him, but in Dave's career at Gordon he will be player of the year. He is very talented. I hear Gordon has a big recruit who committed for next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2011, 03:10:43 PM

AMC continues to cruise - 81-60 over NEC.  Hennessy had 16 for New England College.  De La Hoz had 25; Pinsoneault had 21 with 7 steals.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2011, 05:59:16 PM

Roger Williams tops Regis 58-54.  No boxscore.  This result hands Anna Maria the CCC regular season championship and #1 tournament seed.  Who would have expected this to start the year?  Not me, but I did go on record saying AMC was a team to be reckoned with.

WIT over Curry 64-56.  Four in double figures for Wentworth.

Salve over EC 95-82.  Endicott got 23 out of Magee, but shot 2-15 from deep.  Salve was led by Birrell's 21 with 10 assists and 18 from Patrick Dineen (five total players in double figures).  SRU went 30-39 from the FT line.  Man, that's a lot of fouls.

CSC 77, UNE 68.  UNE had four in double figures.  CSC was led by a 20-10 night from Burke, 18 from Tobin, and 17 from Bardaglio.

ENC picked up a win over Nichols 87-72.  Sheehan had 23, Kuntz 25.  ENC got 17 and 15 from freshman John Flakes, 23 from Max Barbosa, and 18 from Alston.  ENC actually out-rebounded Nichols.  This team might have been sneaky if not for the big injury.

Gordon over WNEC 78-59.  Thomka was held to 11.  Walker went 14-14 for GC; Dempsey had 17.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2011, 06:01:48 PM

With two games remaining, nine teams are still eligible for post-season play.

AMC has locked up the #1 seed.

Wentworth can lock up the #2 with a win over CSC.

We have a four-way tie for third and a three way tie for 7th.

We'll know more after next Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2011, 10:12:05 PM
Nichols over Regis in a stunner, 77-62.  Sheehan had 23, Kuntz 22.  Alibrandi had 22; Regis shot 5-23 from deep.

Endicott over NEC 71-65.  Mohamed had 20, Hennessey 17 in the loss.  EC had four in double figures, led by Lance Green at 19.  Nearly identical FG and 3pt numbers; EC made 6 extra FTs - margin of victory.  Fun fact I didn't know - NEC's coach is named Charles Manson.

WIT 74-60 over CSC.  Burke had 17.  Wentworth was led by 14 and 15 from Herrick and 17 pts for Therriault.

AMC over WNEC 72-65.  18 from Alston, 16 from Shaw.  Thomka did not play.  AMC got 30 from Pinsenault, who is really coming on late, and 14 from Click.

Gordon over UNE 69-56.  Dempsey went for 21 and 10; Thomas had 18, Walker 16.  Charles Fenner had 14 for UNE.

RWU destroys Curry 84-59.  No boxscore yet.

ENC over Salve in OT, 95-88.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2011, 10:24:43 PM

Ok, so here's how we stand right now (asterisk means the spot is secure):

*1 - Anna Maria (11-1) is CCC regular season champs
*2 - Wentworth (9-3) has the tiebreaker with RWU
3 - Roger Williams (8-4) has the one-on-one tiebreaker with everyone, but EC
4 - Endicott (7-5)
4 - Salve Regina (7-5)
4 - Regis (7-5)
4 - Colby-Sawyer (7-5)
4 - Gordon (7-5)
9 - New England College (6-6)

No one else has a chance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 16, 2011, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2011, 10:12:05 PMEndicott over NEC 71-65.  Mohamed had 20, Hennessey 17 in the loss.  EC had four in double figures, led by Lance Green at 19.  Nearly identical FG and 3pt numbers; EC made 6 extra FTs - margin of victory.  Fun fact I didn't know - NEC's coach is named Charles Manson.
It's actually Mason
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
First and Second place are set (AMC and WIT, respectively).

If Roger Williams beats ENC, they have #3 locked up.

If Wentworth beats NEC, the tiebreakers will be just for seeding.  NEC has to win to even have a chance at making the tournament.

Gordon vs Salve will guarantee one of them 8-5 and the other 7-6.

I started going through all the tiebreaker scenarios for third or fourth place, but realized there's dozens of possibilities depending on outcomes, so I'll just wait until the results come in and figure them then.  It's way too crazy to do right now.

Scenarios in which NEC can make the tournament:

Tie at 7-6 w/ Gordon (NEC - 8th seed)
Tie at 7-6 w/ Gordon and Endicott (NEC - 8th seed)
Tie at 7-6 w/ GC, EC, and CSC (NEC - 8th seed)

In other words, if Gordon wins, NEC is out; if Regis loses, NEC is out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 16, 2011, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2011, 10:12:05 PMEndicott over NEC 71-65.  Mohamed had 20, Hennessey 17 in the loss.  EC had four in double figures, led by Lance Green at 19.  Nearly identical FG and 3pt numbers; EC made 6 extra FTs - margin of victory.  Fun fact I didn't know - NEC's coach is named Charles Manson.
It's actually Mason

Thanks.  It must have been a typo.  I knew I would have known that piece of info had it been true.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 17, 2011, 09:45:37 AM
TCCC Award Predictions:

Player of The Year:
Should Win:  Anthony Click Anna Maria
Will Win: Anthony Click Anna Maria
Darkhorses: Lance Green Endicott, Sam Herrick WIT

Rookie of The Year
Should Win: Robbie Burke Colbly-Sawyer
Will Win: Ryan Sheehan Nichols
Darkhorse: John Flakes ENC


Coach of The Year:
Should Win: Sean Conrad, Anna Maria
Will Win: Sean Conrad Anna Maria
Darkhorse: Sean Foster SRU

Defensive Player of The Year:
Will Win: Junior De La Hoz AMC
Should Win: Ryan Birrell SRU
Darkhorse: Sam Herrick WIT


First Team All League
G- Lance Green EC
G- Anthony Click AMC
G- Will Bardaglio CSC
F- Sam Herrick WIT
F- Robbie Burke CSC

Second Team All League
G- Ryan Birell Salve Regina
G- Sedale Jones Curry
G- Junior De La Hoz AMC
F- Greg Walker Gordon
F- Ryan Sheehan Nichols

Third Team All League
G- Chris Pinsonault AMC
G- Windell Hinkson SRU
G- Derek Neal RC
F- Corey Therriault WIT
F- John Flakes ENC

All Rookie Team (not named just for fun)
G- Lachlan Magee EC
G- Derek Mayo WIT
F- Ryan Sheehan NC
F- Robbie Burke CSC
F- John Flakes ENC






Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 02:17:11 PM

With games tipping off in about 45 minutes, I thought I'd at least post what the results would be in what I believe to be the most likely scenario (almost guaranteeing this will not happen):

I expect I expect AMC, WIT, RWU, EC, GC, and CSC to win today - leaving EC, GC, and CSC tied for fourth and SRU and Regis tied for 7th.

If that's the case, we'll have Endicott 4th, Gordon 5th, CSC 6th, Salve 7th, and Regis 8th.

I'll check back as scores come in to update the actual results and tiebreakers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 04:45:52 PM

Salve is our first reported winner, beating Gordon by 8 and keeping NEC's hopes alive for a few more minutes.

The livestats from Endicott stopped with 7 seconds remaining and EC up by 10 points - this likely win secures themselves a real good shot at a home playoff game.  They rode 23 and 13 from Lachlan MaGee.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 04:52:35 PM

WIT is going to win, which means NEC is out, Gordon is in and we're just waiting on seeds.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 04:55:41 PM
Roger Williams beat ENC.

We're sitting here:

#1 - Anna Maria (12-1 or 11-2)
#2 - Wentworth (10-3)
#3 - Roger Williams (9-4)

At 8-5: Salve Regina, Endicott

At 7-6: Gordon

Still to be determined: Colby Sawyer, Regis  (both either 7-6 or 8-5)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 05:01:54 PM

Colby-Sawyer took our WNEC, so they hop into what is now a three team tie at 8-5 (could be four, if Regis wins).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 05:06:53 PM

So we're down to two scenarios:

Regis at 8-5 or Regis at 7-6.

If Regis beat AMC and finishes at 8-5:

#4 - Regis
#5 - Salve
#6 - Endicott
#7 - Colby-Sawyer
#8 - Gordon

If Regis loses to AMC and finishes at 7-6:

#4 - Salve
#5 - Endicott
#6 - Colby-Sawyer
#7 - Gordon
#8 - Regis

If Regis loses, they rematch with AMC in round 1; if they win, it's a home game against Salve.  Big difference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 05:09:57 PM

The tie-breaking is more straightforward is Regis loses.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 05:10:28 PM

Regis won by a single point.  65-64.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 05:15:33 PM

Here's the rundown:

#1 - AMC (11-2)
#2 - WIT (10-3)
#3 - RWU (9-4)

At 8-5: Endicott, Salve, CSC, and Regis

#8 - Gordon (7-6)


The tiebreaker begins with head  to head:

Salve beat EC and CSC for a 2-1 record.
Regis beat EC, and SRU for a 2-1 record.
EC beat CSC for a 1-2 record.
CSC beat Regis for a 1-2 record.

Salve and Regis come out - Regis takes the #4 by virtue of a head-to-head win.  Salve gets the #5 seed.

Endicott beat Colby-Sawyer head to head, so EC gets #6 and CSC gets #7.

So, unless I really messed up reading the tiebreakers,

Tuesday:

Gordon at Anna Maria
Colby-Sawyer at Wentworth
Endicott at Roger Williams
Salve Regina at Regis
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 19, 2011, 08:14:15 PM
You nailed it (http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/news/2011/2/19/MBB_0219115928.aspx).  All games are 7:00 p.m. starts as none of the hosting schools are also hosting a women's game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 21, 2011, 05:52:32 PM
All-Conference Teams and Awards Announced:

http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/custompages/releases1011/alltcccmbb11.pdf (http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/custompages/releases1011/alltcccmbb11.pdf)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on February 22, 2011, 08:39:48 PM
Gordon goes down. But...POY David Dempsey 32 points.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 22, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
Quarterfinal Scores:
(1) Anna Maria 96, (8) Gordon 76
(5) Salve Regina 62, (4) Regis 58
(6) Endicott 71, (3) Roger Williams 68 (OT)
(2) Wentworth 67, (7) Colby-Sawyer 54

Semifinal Games (Thursday, 7:00)
(5) Salve Regina at (1) Anna Maria
(6) Endicott at (2) Wentworth
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 23, 2011, 12:03:37 AM
LETS GO WIT!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:52:12 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 23, 2011, 04:46:04 PM
How is RWU Ranked in the top ten in the North East? Doesnt make much sense to me....however whats everyones predictions for tomorrows games? I got WIT and AMC in the finals...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on February 23, 2011, 08:01:28 PM
That is shocking that RWU is ranked there. crazy
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2011, 01:02:14 AM

They didn't include the playoff loss there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 24, 2011, 10:27:40 AM
It really shouldnt matter, they had a loss at home to NEC and finished 3rd in TCCC play, there were other teams more deserving of that ranking in TCCC this year...let alone New England.  It just baffles me I guess, not sure whos doing the voting for that poll but it seems kind of shady to me
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on February 24, 2011, 12:53:01 PM
WITBall I agree, almost seems like it was a mistake that is how crazy that ranking is
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2011, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on February 24, 2011, 12:53:01 PM
WITBall I agree, almost seems like it was a mistake that is how crazy that ranking is

Somebody had to be #11 in the Northeast-- why not give Roger Williams recognition for beating #7 in Northeast Rhode Island College back in January? ;)   Roger Williams also lost to once-ranked in Northeast Bowdoin.

Roger Williams would have needed to win the TCCC tournament anyway to make NCAAs..... #11 in Northeast is too low for legitimate Pool C consideration.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 24, 2011, 07:04:29 PM
And also got beat by NEC at home...and got killed by WIT 64-46
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2011, 07:26:25 PM

Semis on top right now.  Livestats for both.

WIT and EC, neck and neck.  Salve is up 12.  Both in the first half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2011, 07:40:13 PM
Salve's up 17 at the half - really forced a lot of turnovers from AMC.

Endicott's up 10.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2011, 08:18:46 PM

Dan Royce seems to be injured.  He's not played much.  AMC has entirely closed the gap.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2011, 08:24:36 PM

Both games are coming down to the wire.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
Wentworth pulled it out on the back of Big Sam Cement Shoes Herrick - 63-61 over Endicott.

Despite shooting horribly, Sam's 25 and 10 won the day.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 24, 2011, 08:43:00 PM
Magic shoes hoops....magic shoes Looks like WIT will host the CHIP as SRU pulls out the win 89-80 at AMC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
Wendell Hinkson shoots Salve Regina into the final.  He had 39 points, including 9 threes.  AMC couldn't overcome the big halftime deficit.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2011, 08:51:18 PM
Championship Game going to overtime!


Both teams have two players fouled out (including Big Sam).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2011, 09:03:50 PM

Salve Regina wins the CCC Championship and the automatic bid to the tournament.

SRU just hounded WIT on the outside.  Dombrowski went 4-19 including 1-11 from deep.  Birrell needs to handle the ball better in the tournament - 8 TOs is too many.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 26, 2011, 10:15:02 PM
Congrats to Salve on winning the championship.  A great game played in front of a GREAT atmosphere.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 27, 2011, 12:20:04 PM
Congrats to the underdog...kinda sour right now...good thing they will represent the CCC well in the tourney...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2011, 03:11:54 PM

Salve's streaking pretty hard right now (8-2 in their last 10) and really seem to be locking down the perimeter.  Depending on their matchup, they could be feisty in the tournament.  Let's just hope they don't draw Williams in the first round.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 28, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
Huge CCC championship win for SRU.  Coach Sean Foster deserved this one.  He's a humble guy and knows how to get the most out of his players.   Good luck to the Seahawks in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2011, 01:23:49 PM

Salve draws a rough spot.  West Conn, then, if they win, Middlebury.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 28, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 28, 2011, 01:23:49 PM

Salve draws a rough spot.  West Conn, then, if they win, Middlebury.



Well, the way West Conn's playing now, Salve probably wins even at Western.  Lots of internal problems going on with the team and a bunch of players saying they just want the season to end.  Hopefully this bid gives them second life and they start to play as a team instead of individually.  I really believe this team could outright beat Mid if they play as a team.  RIC beat them by double figures last year and this West Conn team is better then that RIC team is (of course this Mid team is better then last year's Mid team).  Thursday night should be a fun one.  Any CCC fans comming to Danbury for the game??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2011, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 28, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 28, 2011, 01:23:49 PM

Salve draws a rough spot.  West Conn, then, if they win, Middlebury.



Well, the way West Conn's playing now, Salve probably wins even at Western.  Lots of internal problems going on with the team and a bunch of players saying they just want the season to end.  Hopefully this bid gives them second life and they start to play as a team instead of individually.  I really believe this team could outright beat Mid if they play as a team.  RIC beat them by double figures last year and this West Conn team is better then that RIC team is (of course this Mid team is better then last year's Mid team).  Thursday night should be a fun one.  Any CCC fans comming to Danbury for the game??

Yeah, I've been looking at the matchups and Salve needs a perimeter oriented team like this as an opponent, especially one that makes a lot of turnovers.  I've got Salve winning this one on the backs of three seniors.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 28, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
Hoopsfan, since you follow the CCC, what type of team is Salve, and especially do they have a lot of size??  If they have any size were in biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig trouble.  Basically running a 4 good offense with no bigs, there's usually mismatches in the paint.  We got killed by Regis's big man in Jauary, and Mike Akinrola had 2 big games for RIC when we played them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2011, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 28, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
Hoopsfan, since you follow the CCC, what type of team is Salve, and especially do they have a lot of size??  If they have any size were in biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig trouble.  Basically running a 4 good offense with no bigs, there's usually mismatches in the paint.  We got killed by Regis's big man in Jauary, and Mike Akinrola had 2 big games for RIC when we played them.

Salve hasn't been all that great this year.  Ryan Birrell is a heck of a PG - he posted a triple double earlier in the year.  He's also prone to turnovers.  Wendell Hinkson is the sharp-shooter.  He's been on fire of late.  Dan Royce is the big man, although his rebounding has been way down this year.  Those three seniors form the core that has propelled Salve to this spot.

They won the conference tournament based on lockdown perimeter defense.  I think these two teams are very similar, although WConn is more athletic.  The big factors will be chemistry - WConn's been up and down all year; Salve's got three guys who want to go out big - and post play.  If Dan Royce shows up, he can cause trouble down low.

I still think WConn's the big favorite, but they're going to have to work for it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: trixiep on February 28, 2011, 03:02:08 PM
7express:  Most respectfully,  I'm a little bit confused by your comment that WConn could beat anybody in the Country, and then shortly after that commenting that if Salve has any size  WConn is in "biiiiiiiiig trouble".  When you talked about WConn's potential match-up with Midd you were saying that their  pressure D, quickness and running game would negate the size advantage of the opponent.  I say this only because if you're worried about Salve's big guys, what do you think Middlebury's bigs would do?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 28, 2011, 03:29:16 PM
We have one of the best guards in the northeast who's a complete game changer.  However, we don't match up well size wise.  Our quickness is what will win us games, we can put up with the mismatch in the paint because we can outrun teams.  I'm not sure how quick the teams in the NESCAC or CCC aare, but as long as Brooks is on, and we beat teams down the court we can compete with anyone size or not.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: trixiep on February 28, 2011, 03:44:23 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2011, 03:54:09 PM

Regis, AMC, and Wentworth are all in the ECACs this week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on March 02, 2011, 04:07:32 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 02, 2011, 03:54:09 PM

Regis, AMC, and Wentworth are all in the ECACs this week.


I'll be at the Eastern vs. Regis game.  I think Regis can keep it close for a while especially if ECSU is still bummed out on missing the NCAA's.  I have Eastern winning by about 8-10 if they want to be there, Regis winning if ECSU doesn't. Wentworth has a tough game against Ray Askew and Albertus, AMC should take care of MCLA.  Conference should get at least 1 win (AMC), and probably 1 loss (Regis).  Wentworth/AMC is a toss-up but I'll take AMC because their at home.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2011, 07:41:49 PM

Close to halftime, Salve is down 15 with double digit turnovers.  Hinkson is dead cold.  I'm not sure they're coming back from this deficit.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2011, 12:38:34 PM

Big Time for the CCC.  Our teams may have been down this year, but individual players are way up.

Ryan Sheehan and Anthony Click made All-Region Third Team and Lance Greene made All-Region HM.

That's two Sophomores and a Freshman.  Click won't be in the conference for much longer, but it does bode well for the future with so many young players getting noticed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on March 21, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
What TCCC needs is some new Refs...i had better in High School
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 22, 2011, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: WITball on March 21, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
What TCCC needs is some new Refs...i had better in High School

They're the same refs that work all the college games in the region.  There's a few bad apples, but not nearly as many as there used to be.  There might be a few high school refs who are better, but college refs have to be certified at a higher level to work NCAA games.  Overall they are better.

Granted the CCC may not get the best refs, but they are allocated, I believe, from a central pool.  The coaches used to get a couple of vetos for specific refs - I'm not sure if that still happens - otherwise there's not much control over who you get.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on March 22, 2011, 10:48:47 AM
Hoops is right, the TCCC refs are the same as the MASCAC, NEWMAC, NAC, NESCAC, and Little East refs.  There is no difference, just the radius from their house that they would prefer to work in.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on March 23, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
ok, well they are still bad...however it is inconsistent both ways so theres really not much to complain about...it just gets ugly sometimes...not as bad as that St. Johns and Rutgers finish though!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 23, 2011, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: WITball on March 23, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
ok, well they are still bad...however it is inconsistent both ways so theres really not much to complain about...it just gets ugly sometimes...not as bad as that St. Johns and Rutgers finish though!

Yeah, you have to look at the fairness more than anything else.  Some refs are just not going to call a game the way we think it should be called (many call them too tight, others far too leniently).  The biggest element is fairness.

Obviously this goes beyond the number of fouls called (a number that too often gets screamed from the stands during games) which can vary greatly based on style of play.

It's tough to make those judgments when you're rooting for one team or another.

It was fun sitting next to some partisans during the first round of the tournament this year and having a guy lean over to me, "did you think that was a foul," me replying, "justified, but I wouldn't have called it," him grumbling and going back to yelling at the refs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 06, 2011, 08:18:35 AM

I don't really follow recruiting all that much, but I saw that Nico Donato from CT has committed to Wentworth for next year.  He's a 6'1" guard and a big time scorer, who likes to go hard to the hoop.  That style could really compliment the kinds of shooters they have, especially losing big Sam on the inside.
Title: Commonwealth Coast Conference Endicott recruiting
Post by: jhawk on June 23, 2011, 11:31:54 AM
It appears that Coach Rowe and Endicott have had a signifigcant recruiting year from central Mass and Connecticutt

see\Link
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/2038/Henault-Makes-Pick.php

Is this typical for TCCC talent ?
Mc Lachlan  and Greene looked pretty good to me last year . Now these players !

The link states  both kids were "scholarship " level .
As a new fan in the arera How do the other schools 2011 recruits look ?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on June 28, 2011, 02:31:10 PM
TCCC recruiting has been pretty impressive so far, which actually surprises me because I thought with the recent sharp increase in college tuition that some talent would relocate to local, public colleges.

Endicott's three definitely appear to be the spotlight recruiting class this year for TCCC.  Besides Nico Donato headed to Wentworth, I haven't heard much else besides Gordon.  Gordon has a big three recruiting class similar to Endicott's with one guard and two big men.  Endicott's John Henault is the top recruit on paper, but be on the lookout for Gordon's Taylor Bajema too for the future.

Gordon's incoming freshman
http://writingscots.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on June 28, 2011, 10:54:45 PM
Saw Taylor Bajema last summer. Very nice kid, coaches son game, but he is definitely the "third bajema brother" not nearly an impact guy. Donato and Henault will be better- Gordon will still be down...they were awful last year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: zach on July 06, 2011, 11:41:24 AM
Any news on how WNE recruited this year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 26, 2011, 10:31:13 AM

The conference website is now re-organized.  We'll be sorry to see some of our posters go to other conferences, but I think the sleek new CCC will be fun to follow this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on August 06, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on June 28, 2011, 10:54:45 PM
Saw Taylor Bajema last summer. Very nice kid, coaches son game, but he is definitely the "third bajema brother" not nearly an impact guy. Donato and Henault will be better- Gordon will still be down...they were awful last year.

I am not sure how you can say Gordon will be down with this recruiting class coming in and Dempsey returning to lead. they will be much improved over last year. and look out for them in the 2012-2013 season. good things to come for the fighting scots
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on August 11, 2011, 11:32:59 AM
I'm not saying they will be down from where they were last year- I'm saying they will stay down. 8th is not up. They weren't very good last year, even if Miersma is incrementally better than Walker, their guards are still weak.

Plus they will have to play endicott, wentworth etc twice.

They are not a very good team. It's that simple.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: tcccfan2010 on August 20, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
@CCC Talker I think you are going to be surprised at how good Gordon will be this year, they will be back in contention for the title next year with Dempsey a senior.  And guard play won't be an issue this year with Park Thomas having some experience under his belt as well as Bajema and JT Hiemilstien playing well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on September 16, 2011, 09:37:20 PM
Open question: do people feel the talent level in the Commonwealth Coast Conference has dropped in the recent past?  An experienced poster said in in March of 2010 that the league was the weakest he had seen it in years.  The 2010-2011 season particularly did seem a little on the weak side...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 17, 2011, 12:01:26 PM

With a ten team league, going to a full double round robin, CCC teams are down to seven non-con games.  Those will decide a lot in terms of whether we're capable of making waves outside the conference.

Curry's got a tough schedule, with MIT and at least two NESCAC squads (possibly a third at the Wesleyan tournament) and UMASS-D.

ENC is going pretty light, their toughest game probably being ConnColl.

EC's got Salem on the sched, but nothing else much.

Gordon has Babson, MIT, Salem, and Tufts along with a west coast swing (likely non-d3).

Nichols doesn't even have their schedule up yet.

RWU's got middle of the pack teams as does SRU.

UNE is going to tournaments at Keene State and Springfield.

WIT is taking a trip to Texas.  WNEC is playing Amherst.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 17, 2011, 12:02:02 PM

It will be interesting to see how teams reload.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on September 30, 2011, 05:59:31 PM
The conference website said they were gonig to upload a history page with past CCC champions a few years back but have pulled an old fashioned no-show on it.  Therefore, I will go ahead and add to the list which I myself did the research for, now with additional info (courtesy of an old Bill Gorman post).

1994-1995 Salve Regina
1995-1996 Anna Maria
1996-1997 Wentworth
1997-1998 Wentworth
1998-1999 Roger Williams
1999-2000 ?
2000-2001 Colby-Sawyer
2001-2002 Colby-Sawyer
2002-2003 Colby-Sawyer
2003-2004 Endicott
2004-2005 Endicott
2005-2006 Endicott
2006-2007 Wentworth
2007-2008 Curry
2008-2009 University of New England
2009-2010 Gordon
2010-2011 Salve Regina


If anyone knows who won it in 2000-2001 please provide that information.  If anyone who knows the oldest champions (pre 1994-1995 season) please provide that information.  I believe the CCC was established in 1984 with Roger Williams as the first team to win it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 01, 2011, 10:41:36 AM
The CCC started in 1984 with 6 members - Anna Maria, Curry, Emerson, Hellenic College, Salve, and Wentworth.  Coast Guard was added after the year started; I'm not sure if they participated in men's basketball that first year or not.  Roger Williams was the 8th team, added in the summer of 1985.  They didn't join the NCAA until 1986 (as a conference, at least).

I don't have a history of winners, but I do have a history of conference membership.

1999-2000 was my first year of college (and my first year posting on d3hoops.com), but I'm having a hard time remembering who won that year.

Endicott was in the national tournament in 2000 (losing in the first round to Hamilton) - Pat has a record of results for each national tournament on the site.  That was Endicott's first year in the CCC, so I can assume they won the league for the 1999-2000 season.

I know there weren't automatic bids for the CCC much before then, so that archive will not be helpful in determining earlier winners.  The conference office should have those records, though, if you contact them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: boston ball 56 on October 03, 2011, 10:14:46 PM
Curry won the conference in 1986, however there was no AQ
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 04, 2011, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: boston ball 56 on October 03, 2011, 10:14:46 PM
Curry won the conference in 1986, however there was no AQ

AQ's for all conferences started in the lat 1990's.  I know the year Anna Maria went (1996 maybe?) they were an at large selection.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on October 04, 2011, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 04, 2011, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: boston ball 56 on October 03, 2011, 10:14:46 PM
Curry won the conference in 1986, however there was no AQ

AQ's for all conferences started in the lat 1990's.  I know the year Anna Maria went (1996 maybe?) they were an at large selection.
The CCC had an AQ in 1995 (Salve Regina), 1996 (Anna Maria), and 1997 (Wentworth). The league lost the AQ on the men's side (but kept it on the women's side) prior to the 1997-98 season and re-gained it in 1999-2000, the first year of the present structure where all leagues with seven or more teams get an AQ.

The league website is supposed to be re-launched sometime in the near future (after delays dealing with the company and themakeup of the league)...previous champions I believe are being added to it.

Endicott did win the league in 1999-2000:  http://www.ecgulls.com/documents/2010/11/4/EC.YEAR.BY.YEAR.RESULTS.not.html.pdf?tab=historyofendicottathletics (second page)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on October 08, 2011, 12:37:51 AM
TCCC

2010-11 Final Standings

1.   Anna Maria College – 18-10, 11-2 TCCC
2.   Wentworth – 18-11, 10-3 TCCC
3.   Roger Williams – 17-9, 9-4 TCCC
4.   Salve Regina – 17-11, 9-5 TCCC
5.   Endicott – 17-10, 8-5 TCCC
6.   Colby-Sawyer – 12-13, 8-5 TCCC
7.   Regis – 15-12, 8-6 TCCC
8.   Gordon – 11-15, 7-6 TCCC
9.   New England College – 17-8, 6-7 TCCC
10.   Eastern Nazarene – 9-16, 5-8 TCCC
11.   Nichols – 7-17, 4-9 TCCC
12.   Western New England – 4-21, 3-10 TCCC
13.   Curry – 4-21, 2-11 TCCC
14.   University of New England – 4-21, 2-11 TCCC

2010-11 Conference Championship
o   Salve Regina 68, Wentworth 58 (OT)

NCAA Performance
o   Western Connecticut 89, Salve Regina 67
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on October 08, 2011, 12:39:16 AM
TCCC

2010-11 Final Standings

1.   Anna Maria College – 18-10, 11-2 TCCC
2.   Wentworth – 18-11, 10-3 TCCC
3.   Roger Williams – 17-9, 9-4 TCCC
4.   Salve Regina – 17-11, 9-5 TCCC
5.   Endicott – 17-10, 8-5 TCCC
6.   Colby-Sawyer – 12-13, 8-5 TCCC
7.   Regis – 15-12, 8-6 TCCC
8.   Gordon – 11-15, 7-6 TCCC
9.   New England College – 17-8, 6-7 TCCC
10.   Eastern Nazarene – 9-16, 5-8 TCCC
11.   Nichols – 7-17, 4-9 TCCC
12.   Western New England – 4-21, 3-10 TCCC
13.   Curry – 4-21, 2-11 TCCC
14.   University of New England – 4-21, 2-11 TCCC

2010-11 Conference Championship
o   Salve Regina 68, Wentworth 58 (OT)

NCAA Performance
o   Western Connecticut 89, Salve Regina 67

RETURNING LEADERS
•   Scoring
o   Ryan Sheehan – Nichols – 6'3", So., G – 20.1 ppg
o   Sedale Jones – Curry – 6'4", Jr., G/F – 19.2 ppg
o   John Flakes – Eastern Nazarene – 6'3", So., G/F – 16 ppg
o   David Dempsey – Gordon – 6'5", Jr., F – 15.5 ppg
o   Justin Kuntz – Nichols – 5'10", Jr., F – 15.3 ppg
•   Rebounding
o   John Flakes – Eastern Nazarene – 6'3", So., G/F – 9.2 rpg
o   David Dempsey – Gordon – 6'5", Jr., F – 7.5 rpg
o   Erik Callo – Endicott – 6'8", Sr., C – 7.2 rpg
•   Assists
o   DeAngelo Alston – Eastern Nazarene – 5'8", Sr., G – 4.2 apg
o   Aaron Johnson – Eastern Nazarene – 5'10", Jr., G – 3.7 apg
o   Michael Salis – Nichols – 6'0", Jr., G – 3.6 apg
•   Steals
o   Aaron Johnson – Eastern Nazarene – 5'10", Jr., G – 2.4 spg
•   Blocks
o   Erik Callo – Endicott – 6'8", Sr., C – 2.4 bpg
•   FG %
o   Erik Callo – Endicott – 6'8", Sr., C - .600 FG%
•   3-pt FG %
o   Ryan Sheehan – Nichols – 6'3", So., G - .432 3FG%
•   3FG Made
o   Marcus Winn – University of New England – 5'11", Sr., G – 79 3FG
•   FT %
o   Ryan Sheehan – Nichols – 6'0", So., G - .865 FT%
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 08, 2011, 10:13:27 PM

Dude, stop spamming all the boards with this info.  The CCC is entirely different this year.  There's even less teams.  What happened last year isn't all that relevant.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: leelowlang on October 09, 2011, 12:53:17 AM
Fully aware of the changes.  Just trying to set the scene, get into gear, get some talk started.  Relax.

Much better situation in my opinion to play teams twice...for the student-athlete experience. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2011, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 17, 2011, 12:01:26 PM

With a ten team league, going to a full double round robin, CCC teams are down to seven non-con games.  Those will decide a lot in terms of whether we're capable of making waves outside the conference.

Curry's got a tough schedule, with MIT and at least two NESCAC squads (possibly a third at the Wesleyan tournament) and UMASS-D.

ENC is going pretty light, their toughest game probably being ConnColl.

EC's got Salem on the sched, but nothing else much.

Gordon has Babson, MIT, Salem, and Tufts along with a west coast swing (likely non-d3).

Nichols doesn't even have their schedule up yet.

RWU's got middle of the pack teams as does SRU.

UNE is going to tournaments at Keene State and Springfield.

WIT is taking a trip to Texas.  WNEC is playing Amherst.
Why is Wentworth going to the Rio Grande Valley to UT-Pan American for just a single game?  Yes I can imagine the D-1 money may  help pay for it, but only 1 game?  Did they try for a second game?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 09, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2011, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 17, 2011, 12:01:26 PM

With a ten team league, going to a full double round robin, CCC teams are down to seven non-con games.  Those will decide a lot in terms of whether we're capable of making waves outside the conference.

Curry's got a tough schedule, with MIT and at least two NESCAC squads (possibly a third at the Wesleyan tournament) and UMASS-D.

ENC is going pretty light, their toughest game probably being ConnColl.

EC's got Salem on the sched, but nothing else much.

Gordon has Babson, MIT, Salem, and Tufts along with a west coast swing (likely non-d3).

Nichols doesn't even have their schedule up yet.

RWU's got middle of the pack teams as does SRU.

UNE is going to tournaments at Keene State and Springfield.

WIT is taking a trip to Texas.  WNEC is playing Amherst.
Why is Wentworth going to the Rio Grande Valley to UT-Pan American for just a single game?  Yes I can imagine the D-1 money may  help pay for it, but only 1 game?  Did they try for a second game?

A WIT representative might be able to shed more light on this, but I wonder if it was a casualty of the league changes.  I know a number of current and former CCC teams have had to change schedules around due to the conference shuffle.  The CCC is going from 13 league games to 18.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on October 13, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Short answer:  We had one opening on our schedule due to something not working out with an opponent we thought we'd be playing. UTPA (their coach is a former D3 guy) contacted us in the late spring with an offer to go down there. We couldn't have played a second game as we would have been over the limit.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 16, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 13, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Short answer:  We had one opening on our schedule due to something not working out with an opponent we thought we'd be playing. UTPA (their coach is a former D3 guy) contacted us in the late spring with an offer to go down there. We couldn't have played a second game as we would have been over the limit.

I also heard UTPA was pretty desperate for a game and offered a generous check.  It's always fun to go to Texas in the winter.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on October 16, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 16, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 13, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Short answer:  We had one opening on our schedule due to something not working out with an opponent we thought we'd be playing. UTPA (their coach is a former D3 guy) contacted us in the late spring with an offer to go down there. We couldn't have played a second game as we would have been over the limit.

I also heard UTPA was pretty desperate for a game and offered a generous check.  It's always fun to go to Texas in the winter.
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of what was offered to us, but at the end of the day it's a pretty good deal.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2011, 07:44:27 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 16, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 16, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 13, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Short answer:  We had one opening on our schedule due to something not working out with an opponent we thought we'd be playing. UTPA (their coach is a former D3 guy) contacted us in the late spring with an offer to go down there. We couldn't have played a second game as we would have been over the limit.

I also heard UTPA was pretty desperate for a game and offered a generous check.  It's always fun to go to Texas in the winter.
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of what was offered to us, but at the end of the day it's a pretty good deal.
Thanks.  Makes sense. +1! :)

And, yes winter is fun in Texas. My next door neighbors spend their summers in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: magicman on October 22, 2011, 05:03:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2011, 07:44:27 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 16, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 16, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 13, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Short answer:  We had one opening on our schedule due to something not working out with an opponent we thought we'd be playing. UTPA (their coach is a former D3 guy) contacted us in the late spring with an offer to go down there. We couldn't have played a second game as we would have been over the limit.

I also heard UTPA was pretty desperate for a game and offered a generous check.  It's always fun to go to Texas in the winter.
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of what was offered to us, but at the end of the day it's a pretty good deal.
Thanks.  Makes sense. +1! :)

And, yes winter is fun in Texas. My next door neighbors spend their summers in Wisconsin.

Texas-Pan American is also playing another D3 team as they take on the Lakers from Oswego State on Jan 3rd 2012. And like WIT it's the only game the Lakers will be playing on the trip. UTPA must have had some real scheduling problems to end up with 2 games against D3 opponents. I'm sure the Oswego players will be happy to fly down to Texas for a game in the middle of winter.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2011, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 22, 2011, 05:03:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2011, 07:44:27 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 16, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 16, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 13, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Short answer:  We had one opening on our schedule due to something not working out with an opponent we thought we'd be playing. UTPA (their coach is a former D3 guy) contacted us in the late spring with an offer to go down there. We couldn't have played a second game as we would have been over the limit.

I also heard UTPA was pretty desperate for a game and offered a generous check.  It's always fun to go to Texas in the winter.
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of what was offered to us, but at the end of the day it's a pretty good deal.
Thanks.  Makes sense. +1! :)

And, yes winter is fun in Texas. My next door neighbors spend their summers in Wisconsin.

Texas-Pan American is also playing another D3 team as they take on the Lakers from Oswego State on Jan 3rd 2012. And like WIT it's the only game the Lakers will be playing on the trip. UTPA must have had some real scheduling problems to end up with 2 games against D3 opponents. I'm sure the Oswego players will be happy to fly down to Texas for a game in the middle of winter.

ESPN Magazine had a small article on UTPA in the most recent issue (I got it two days ago).  The coach is a former d3 guy and the school is in that new D1 conference that doesn't have an automatic bid yet.  The program is also pretty new, so they're really just in a building mode anyway.  It looks like ESPN Magazine is going to be following the team all year and doing updates, so perhaps WIT and Oswego will get some pub from their respective games?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2011, 07:44:27 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 16, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 16, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 13, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Short answer:  We had one opening on our schedule due to something not working out with an opponent we thought we'd be playing. UTPA (their coach is a former D3 guy) contacted us in the late spring with an offer to go down there. We couldn't have played a second game as we would have been over the limit.

I also heard UTPA was pretty desperate for a game and offered a generous check.  It's always fun to go to Texas in the winter.
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of what was offered to us, but at the end of the day it's a pretty good deal.
Thanks.  Makes sense. +1!

And, yes winter is fun in Texas. My next door neighbors spend their summers in Wisconsin.

Ralph, are you getting royalties from Google+?  You certainly invented the "+1" well before they did.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on October 22, 2011, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 22, 2011, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 22, 2011, 05:03:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2011, 07:44:27 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 16, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 16, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on October 13, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
Short answer:  We had one opening on our schedule due to something not working out with an opponent we thought we'd be playing. UTPA (their coach is a former D3 guy) contacted us in the late spring with an offer to go down there. We couldn't have played a second game as we would have been over the limit.

I also heard UTPA was pretty desperate for a game and offered a generous check.  It's always fun to go to Texas in the winter.
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of what was offered to us, but at the end of the day it's a pretty good deal.
Thanks.  Makes sense. +1! :)

And, yes winter is fun in Texas. My next door neighbors spend their summers in Wisconsin.

Texas-Pan American is also playing another D3 team as they take on the Lakers from Oswego State on Jan 3rd 2012. And like WIT it's the only game the Lakers will be playing on the trip. UTPA must have had some real scheduling problems to end up with 2 games against D3 opponents. I'm sure the Oswego players will be happy to fly down to Texas for a game in the middle of winter.

ESPN Magazine had a small article on UTPA in the most recent issue (I got it two days ago).  The coach is a former d3 guy and the school is in that new D1 conference that doesn't have an automatic bid yet.  The program is also pretty new, so they're really just in a building mode anyway.  It looks like ESPN Magazine is going to be following the team all year and doing updates, so perhaps WIT and Oswego will get some pub from their respective games?
We shall see.

There was a really good piece done by CBS' Jeff Goodman who followed Ryan Marks (UTPA coach) on the recruiting trail this past summer:  http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/26283066/1?mcctag=2011%20recruiting%20trip
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2011, 08:04:22 PM
UTPA has been around for a long time.  They have been an independent and are geographically isolated from other D1 programs, even in Texas.

I guess he is getting whom he can get.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 23, 2011, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2011, 08:04:22 PM
UTPA has been around for a long time.  They have been an independent and are geographically isolated from other D1 programs, even in Texas.

I guess he is getting whom he can get.

They've not been d1 very long, have they?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on October 24, 2011, 03:05:06 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 23, 2011, 04:45:52 PM
They've not been d1 very long, have they?

I think 99-00 was their first year playing a D-1 schedule.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on October 24, 2011, 03:10:17 PM
A lot earlier than that. They played in the 1981 NIT. Looking at their media guide from last year (http://www.utpabroncs.com/documents/2011/3/14/2010-11%20Men's%20Basketball%20Media%20Guide.pdf), it looks like the early 1970s they went from D2 to D1 and had been NAIA prior to that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2011, 11:48:29 PM
Ryan Marks took Southern Vermont to the NCAA Tournament, then went to D-II St. Edward's in Texas.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 03, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Hope the offseason has treated everyone well! Most of the league now has their rosters up and I've been able to do some digging with my ccc sources. I think this may be the weakest the league has been in a decade.

Without further ado. My picks.

10. UNE they sold their soul a few years ago and won the league with a lot of guys who were not there very long. Still feeling the effects. Fenner should be able to score some points but the Easters will be hurting.

9. WNEU They are now a university. That might be the highlight of the year. They don't bring back much and don't bring in much.

8.Nichols Ryan Sheehan returns from a pretty awful team. If they can get some contributions from newcomers they could make some noise.

7. Eastern Naz Ezigbo is healthy and Barbosa and Johnson are now very experienced, however John Flakes is not listed on the roster. If this is an eligibility situation and he returns at the break look for enc to move up.

6. Gordon No team will benefit from the smaller league more. They lost a solid inside scorer in Walker but return one in Dempsey. They also brought in some well regarded freshman. However their guard play was very bad last year and looks to be the same cast of characters this year.

5. RWU They return their big front line and a few shooters. Always something of a middle of the pack team. If they can get some solid perimeter scoring they could be ok.

4.Salve Regina The champs return Birrell and a lot of guys who won it last year in supporting roles. The loss of Hinkson and to a lesser degree Royce will hurt them. Sean Foster always has his guys playing hard.

3. Wentworth they lost the big man which will hurt them. They return all of their perimeter scoring and add a well regarded freshman from ct. Should be tough.

2. Curry last years they were picked to win the league and were hurt by injuries and personality issues. They have a lot of talent and some solid newcomers look for them to bounce back big.

1. Endicott should take a big step forward this year. Green should be the best player in the league. They didn't lose anyone and they brought in 3 big time recruits. I got the gulls.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NEWMACJACK on November 03, 2011, 11:40:48 AM
is anna maria still in the ccc?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2011, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: NEWMACJACK on November 03, 2011, 11:40:48 AM
is anna maria still in the ccc?

Nope.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NEWMACJACK on November 03, 2011, 06:24:34 PM
funny how they were one of the teams that the others felt "were not good enough" yet they won the regular season last year....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 04, 2011, 07:22:19 AM
Quote from: NEWMACJACK on November 03, 2011, 06:24:34 PM
funny how they were one of the teams that the others felt "were not good enough" yet they won the regular season last year....

It's not about the teams, but the school in general.  They don't have the same kind of endowment or expansion plans.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on November 05, 2011, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 03, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Curry[/b] last years they were picked to win the league and were hurt by injuries and personality issues. They have a lot of talent and some solid newcomers look for them to bounce back big.

If it's appropriate to ask, what exactly happened with Curry's "personality issues" last year?  Their roster is up and Sedale Jones is playing, but Jarrell Jackson, who is supposed to be a senior this year, is missing...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 05, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
New England College schedule does not ID who is playing in their Tourney on Nov 18/19.... I know one of the other teams is Lesley... anybody know the other two teams and matchups?    thanks....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2011, 09:14:51 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 05, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
New England College schedule does not ID who is playing in their Tourney on Nov 18/19.... I know one of the other teams is Lesley... anybody know the other two teams and matchups?    thanks....

They're not in this conference anymore.  Also, NEC is notoriously terrible about reporting any sort of information.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2011, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on November 05, 2011, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 03, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Curry[/b] last years they were picked to win the league and were hurt by injuries and personality issues. They have a lot of talent and some solid newcomers look for them to bounce back big.

If it's appropriate to ask, what exactly happened with Curry's "personality issues" last year?  Their roster is up and Sedale Jones is playing, but Jarrell Jackson, who is supposed to be a senior this year, is missing...

It's Curry - they like to surprise everyone with their roster when you show up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2011, 01:54:26 PM

Full slate of games this evening to open the season:

Salve @ Wheaton (MA)
RWU @ Johnson & Wales
ENC hosts Suffolk
Nichols hosts Worcester St
WNEC @ Lyndon St
WIT hosts Wheelock
EC hosts St Joe's (VT)
UNE hosts Southern Maine
Curry hosts #10 MIT
Gordon hosts Babson
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2011, 08:16:57 PM

Salve and RWU both lost close games on the road tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2011, 08:40:32 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 15, 2011, 08:16:57 PM

Salve and RWU both lost close games on the road tonight.

Ok, so Salve lost by 19; not quite close.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2011, 08:51:57 PM

Nichols and WNEC each won by a single point.  Wentworth topped Wheelock by 9.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on November 15, 2011, 09:41:03 PM
Ryan Birrell shot 3-14 for Salve.  Fellow RI native Brendan Degnan scored 27 points in 24 minutes for Wheaton.  Combine those facts and the reigning CCC champs lost by 19 in their first game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on November 15, 2011, 09:48:54 PM
Pat Flanagan dropped 41 points for RWU. WTH?  Lamonte Thomas, the nation's leading scorer for all NCAA divisions last year, (averaged 30.3 points leading America) picked up where he left off scoring 33 for the JWU win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2011, 09:51:39 PM

ENC lost to Suffolk.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on November 15, 2011, 10:10:55 PM
Gordon loses its home opener against Babson 59-38...ha...whoops sorry that laugh slipped out, putting up less than 40 points on your home court can be a little humorous, or PATHETIC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2011, 08:59:47 AM

The CCC went 3-7 opening night.

SRU 65 Wheaton 84 - Ryan Birrell apparently has eligibility left.  He had a terrible shooting night, but the assists and rebounds were there.  His leadership should be a big asset this season.  Mostly Sophomores contributing, so there's room for growth.  Only one freshman got significant minutes with little production.

RWU 71 - J&W 74 - Close one on the road against the nation's top scorer (Thomas scored 33).  RWU was led by 41 from 6'9" Senior Center, Pat Flanagan.  I know J&W doesn't have much size, but that's pretty crazy.  No one else on the team had more than 7 points.  Freshman Adam Cook started; two other freshman, Lane and Polumbo, each got 20 minutes off the bench.  This is a pretty solid result for the first night out.  There's potential here.

ENC 64 - Suffolk 67 - Ezeigbo went for 15 and 15 and appears to be over the broken leg.  ENC is missing a couple of key pieces until after Christmas so these games could really be hit or miss.  I'll be at their games this weekend as ENC plays in a tournament at Eastern University outside Philly.

Nichols 70 - Worcester State 69 - Sheehan shot pretty poorly, but scored 14 to lead five players in double figures.  Joe Gallant, a Freshman forward, got the start - shot 5-10 for 11 points and three steals.  Great opener.  Marlon Bennett, a freshman guard, went for 13 points off the bench.  They really seem to have complemented the existing parts well.  Nichols should be improved.

WNEC 68 - Lyndon State 67 - They got 19 from Shaw on a good shooting night.  Only 8 guys got minutes.  Freshman Min Lin had 20 minutes from the bench with relatively no impact on the stat sheet.  There's some young guys here as well, but they'll still have to prove themselves.

WIT 60 - Wheelock 51 - First game without Big Sam was a win - they even dominated the boards.  Freshman John-Michael Fragnoli took over down low (6'7") and did well.  Four starters in double figures, ball got spread around a lot.  Good showing.  They didn't show much of a bench.

Endicott 88 - St. Joe's (VT) 91 - Not the result EC wanted at home.  Magee had 25 on a very good shooting night.  6'9" freshman forward, Andre Makris had 29 on an even better shooting night off the bench.  Eric Callo didn't play (injury?) - with him included they've got four post players over 6'6" - that's going to be tough for a lot of teams.  This team has a few Senior leaders and a ton of talented Sophomores.  Turnovers killed them - and they gave up 43 FTs.  If they can get some discipline it could be a dangerous team.

UNE 51 - Southern Maine 66 - A big, ugly mess.  Freshman guard, Jordan Ferreira, scored 15 off the bench, with 9 rebounds - another freshman guard, Rossignol added 10.  They were the only guys in double figures.  So, some promise for the future, but it could still be a rough year.

Curry 66 - #10 MIT 71 - The Colonels hung tough with a very strong team, which bodes well for them.  The guards seemed to be getting penetration and the threes dropped.  Jones had 22 points and Papalambros had 24.  6'7" freshman, Matt Russell got the start and added 11 points.  Good showing.

Gordon 38 - Babson 59 - Yep, you read that correctly.  Wow.  And Babson was not particularly good in this game.  GC shot 3-11 from the FT line.  Two freshman started for Gordon; three more got significant minutes off the bench.  Five of the top eight will be newbies this year.  That probably means we keep expectations low.  David Dempsey took the big load, going 10 and 9 with 7 turnovers.  We'll just have to wait and see what shapes up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 16, 2011, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on August 20, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
@CCC Talker I think you are going to be surprised at how good Gordon will be this year, they will be back in contention for the title next year with Dempsey a senior.  And guard play won't be an issue this year with Park Thomas having some experience under his belt as well as Bajema and JT Hiemilstien playing well.


Yeah that guard play looked outstanding last night! I'm confident with some seasoning they will be breaking 50 on a regular basis....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2011, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 16, 2011, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on August 20, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
@CCC Talker I think you are going to be surprised at how good Gordon will be this year, they will be back in contention for the title next year with Dempsey a senior.  And guard play won't be an issue this year with Park Thomas having some experience under his belt as well as Bajema and JT Hiemilstien playing well.


Yeah that guard play looked outstanding last night! I'm confident with some seasoning they will be breaking 50 on a regular basis....

They're playing at MIT tomorrow night.  That could be incredibly ugly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2011, 01:57:21 PM

Also, Nichols is going to Lasell tomorrow night.  Lasell just put a hurting on Brandeis.  That could be an interesting match-up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2011, 10:25:32 PM

So, two nights ago Lasell went to Brandeis and roughed them up.  Tonight Nichols went to Lasell and won 94-83.  This NC squad's got some fight in them.  Sheehan came out strong with 37 points, 10-19 shooting and a massive 15-18 from the FT line.  He did play every minute of the game.  They committed a lot of turnovers and a lot of fouls, but they hit the board hard and ten guys got big minutes.  I'm liking what I see early in the year.  Feisty.

Gordon, on the other hand, managed to play a much better team (#10 MIT) about the same - scoring exactly 38 points (easy to figure the average so far), losing 38-70.  16 guys played, no one had more than 26 minutes, they missed all ten threes.  The coach clearly is grasping at straws already.  This could get ugly, folks.  They only scored 14 in the first half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2011, 12:51:31 PM

Five games on the schedule tonight:

ENC plays Lehman @ Eastern University in PA.  This is a weekend tournament.  It's about 45 minutes from my house; I'm planning to be at both games.

Endicott hosts ME-Augusta
UNE @ Keene State
WNEC hosts Norwich
Curry vs Johnson State at Wesleyan

All but Endicott are tournaments, I think.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2011, 05:07:38 PM

ENC is hanging by a thread here for the next few games.  They dropped both ends of the tournament this weekend, to Lehman and Penn State-Abington.

Between the opener Tuesday and the game Friday they lost a starter to injury - combined with two more who won't be back playing until January, it's a rough go on the floor.

Chima Ezigbo is back playing, but was only cleared medically a few weeks ago after the horrible broken leg he suffered last December.  He's toughing it out, but noticibly struggling.  Hopefully the layoff over the holidays will help him get some strength back.  There were flashes of brilliant play, but he's not yet 100%.

They're going to need some all around team discipline to really improve.  Right now they have almost no ability to score on offensive sets - it's fast breaks or putbacks.

Other Friday action:

EC crushed Maine-Augusta 102-53.  Five guys in double figures, tons of rebounds and almost 60% shooting.  Not bad.

UNE 51 Keene State 87 - Timmy Mains had 16 points in 21 minutes off the bench.  The starters were all swapped out.  Looks like UNE is trying to figure out its chemistry.

WNEC 67 - Norwich 55 - 27 and 9 from Shaw; 16 and 11 from Wilkes.

Curry 81 - Johnson State 73 - Curry played 19 guys, although the starters all got more than 22 minutes a piece.  Jones shot poorly, but contributed 12, 8 and 6, while the team overall shot 50%.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2011, 05:11:38 PM

Saturday:

I mentioned the ENC loss earlier.

WIT beat ME-Ft Kent 61-43.  Not a great effort, but turnover and rebounds resulted in an extra 20 shots for WIT.

EC squeaked by Mass College 77-75.  Five guys in double figures once again, but they got beat on the boards - not good news for a team with size.

Salve over St Joe's of Brooklyn 60-56.  Birrell had 17, 8, and 5.

Other games in progress, including two blowouts at the hand of NESCAC squads.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2011, 09:37:48 AM

Saturday:

RWU over Fisher 52-44.  Flannagan had 18 points.

WNEC came back to lose by 10 at Trinity 63-73.  Not a terrible showing.  Shaw had 21, 11 from the line.

Curry goes down at upstart Wesleyan 59-80.  19 for Jones, 16 for Papalambros.

UNE loses to CSC in the first "former CCC grudge match" 69-72.  UNE finally figured out a decent line-up, with four startes in double figures.  No bench, but something to build on.

Sunday games:

Wentworth takes out Bates 66-55 to win the Bates tip-off tournament.  WIT playing well without Big Sam.  Eric Prue scored 22 on 6-10 shooting from deep.  Bates had a terrible shooting night.

Mitchell clipped Salve 64-65.  Birrell had 23.

Babson crushed RWU 72-52.  14 a piece from Flanagan and Cook.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2011, 09:08:17 AM

Tuesday schedule:

EC @ Green Mountain
WNEC hosts Amherst
SRU hosts Daniel Webster
GC @ Salem State (fresh off a win over Williams)
ENC hosts Newbury
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 22, 2011, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 22, 2011, 09:08:17 AM

Tuesday schedule:
GC @ Salem State (fresh off a win over Williams)

Im setting the over/under on GC's points at 38.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on November 22, 2011, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 22, 2011, 09:08:17 AM

Tuesday schedule:
GC @ Salem State (fresh off a win over Williams)

Im setting the over/under on GC's points at 38.

Do you think they could go the entire season only scoring 38 points a game?  You can figure the odds on that, right?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 22, 2011, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 22, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on November 22, 2011, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 22, 2011, 09:08:17 AM

Tuesday schedule:
GC @ Salem State (fresh off a win over Williams)

Im setting the over/under on GC's points at 38.

Do you think they could go the entire season only scoring 38 points a game?  You can figure the odds on that, right?

I just did the math, the odds are surprisingly very low, despite the outcomes of the first two games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2011, 08:46:10 PM

We've got some results in:

Endicott handled Green Mountain 82-60.  Makris and Karkow both had double-doubles.

WNEC gets crushed by #4 Amherst 69-97.  Shaw had 23 points (15 of them FTs).

Salve fends off a late run by Daniel Webster to win 84-81.  Birrell scored 30 and Dineen added 18.

ENC loses another close one to Newbury 78-82.

Gordon wins by losing, scoring a whopping 49 points to Salem State's 76.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 22, 2011, 09:23:37 PM
So the calculations were correct.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2011, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on November 22, 2011, 09:23:37 PM
So the calculations were correct.

But now we have to figure out if they can break 50 this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2011, 02:40:28 PM

UNE at Mt Ida today.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 27, 2011, 08:23:59 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 16, 2011, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: tcccfan2010 on August 20, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
@CCC Talker I think you are going to be surprised at how good Gordon will be this year, they will be back in contention for the title next year with Dempsey a senior.  And guard play won't be an issue this year with Park Thomas having some experience under his belt as well as Bajema and JT Hiemilstien playing well.


Yeah that guard play looked outstanding last night! I'm confident with some seasoning they will be breaking 50 on a regular basis....


that Gordon guard play has been stellar so far 0-3, 41 points per game (as a team, not the guards) and 16 assists to 61 turnovers...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2011, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 27, 2011, 02:40:28 PM

UNE at Mt Ida today.

UNE goes down, 64-72, I think.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2011, 08:31:28 AM

Lonely thanksgiving on the boards.  Hopefully things will pick back up again soon.

Monday's games:

Curry, who's been playing pretty well, heads to Babson, who has been playing very well.

Nichols hosts Fitchburg State.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on November 28, 2011, 11:40:22 AM
 
that Gordon guard play has been stellar so far 0-3, 41 points per game (as a team, not the guards) and 16 assists to 61 turnovers...
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Not to mention 27-55 from the free throw line for an exceptional team percentage of 49.1%.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on November 29, 2011, 09:42:55 AM
Oh gordon....WIT looks good, spreading it out well. Should be another interesting season for TCCC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2011, 01:06:23 PM

Curry lost to Babson, 60-70.  Respectable.  Jones went for 24-7-5.

Nichols lost at home to Fitchburg.  To be honest, I expected them to win this one.  They blew a 12 point halftime lead to lose 74-77.  Sheehan only had 20 and they sent Fitchburg to the line 27 times.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2011, 01:07:36 PM

No more action until Wednesday - and the opening of conference action:

UNE @ WIT
CC @ NC
EC @ SRU
ENC @ RWU
WNEC @ GC


Any predictions early on?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 30, 2011, 11:14:20 AM
WIT over UNE by 15
CC over NC by 8
SRU over EC by 1
RWU over ENC by 8
WNEC and Gordon scoreless tie
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2011, 11:40:56 AM

Just for what it's worth: talk about poor shooting.  ENC's women beat Framingham last night 44-43 in a game where no ENC player scored in double figures and the team brought down 65! rebounds (the teams combined for 100 boards).

Crazy numbers there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2011, 08:11:44 PM

Coming up on halftime for Curry and Nichols.  It look like both teams had to function without the scorers for a while - Jones and Sheehan had foul trouble.  Each has two, so we should see something different in the second half.  Game is pretty much even right now.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2011, 08:41:23 PM

Wentworth was up 19-4 11 minutes in against UNE, but only holds a two point halftime lead.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2011, 09:15:05 PM

Curry pulls it out against Nichols (69-59).  Papalambros scored 26 and Jones had 15 (all in the second half).  Sheehan had 17 and Kuntz 18.  Good win for Curry, not great stats, but a win is a win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2011, 09:41:47 PM

WIT wins over UNE in a surprisingly close one, 58-54.  Terriault had 21.  Both teams shot over 40%, UNE hit 10-22 threes, probably helping to keep them close.

ENC got crushed by RWU, 73-49.  Ezigbo had major foul trouble and is currently ENC's only real offensive player, so that has to hurt.  Roger Williams went 21-24 from the FT line, which is most of the difference in the game (ENC was 2-4, three of them coming in the last thirty seconds of he game).  Mike McCoy had 11 and was the bright spot for ENC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2011, 09:45:00 PM

Stop the presses!

Gordon beats WNEC 63-56.  No boxscore yet, but this is amazing.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2011, 09:57:41 PM

Apparently GC hit the boards.  Dempsey went for 22 and 10.  WNEC got 23 from Shaw along with 7 assists.  Gordon won the first battle of one man teams.  The rematch should be legendary.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2011, 10:02:40 PM

Salve runs away from Endicott at the end, 76-64.  EC only got double figures from four players this time, along with 18 turnovers and it cost them.  Birrell had 24 with 7 assist.  Canova is proving to be a sharpshooter, going 5-9 from deep and taking no other shots from the floor.  He also had 6 boards and 4 assists.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 30, 2011, 11:40:46 PM
Did Tim Tebow have something to do with this Gordon win?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 02, 2011, 05:02:54 PM
I'm guessing that he did, probably about the same as Bryan Gaine for Wentworth's win on Wednesday
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2011, 01:17:04 PM

Another full slate of conference games today:

WIT @ ENC
SRU @ UNE
NC @ WNEC
GC @ CC
RWU @ EC

All games scheduled for 3pm.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2011, 12:41:33 AM

Another bizarro day in the CCC:

ENC over Wentworth 73-66.  Dombrowski had 18 in the losing effort.  Ezeigbo went for 20 and 11, Max Barbosa chipped in 24.  17 of those 44 points came at the FT line.

Gordon! beat Curry 64-55.  Dempsey had 19 and 7; some guy names Hans Miersma went for 11 and 15.  Curry got 20 out of Jones.  Gordon had 53 rebounds.

WNEC beat Nichols 64-60, to round out the 3-0 terrible team trifecta.  Things are never as they seem in the CCC.  WNEC wins despite 8 turnovers and only 12 points from Shaw.  Sheehan scored 19; it seems teams have founds ways to keep him in check a bit.

Salve over UNE 76-60.  UNE is just all around terrible; Salve got much of its scoring from the bench in this one.

Endicott over RWU 78-69.  Flannagan went for 22 and 13.  EC once again had five guys in double figures.  I believe they've had five in double figures in all of their wins - there might be a trend here.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on December 04, 2011, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Tim Tebow must have showed up again for the Gordon game. Watch out for Dempsey, player of the year candidate and the Fighting Scots. They are better than you think. Don't let the early losses fool you they just needed to get their feet under them. They will finish in the top 3 in the league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 04, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
Dempsey player of the year? For Wenham maybe
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on December 04, 2011, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 04, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
Dempsey player of the year? For Wenham maybe

Trust me, he has a tremendous amount of talent and now he is in the position on that team to be the go to guy and he has help this year to get it done.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2011, 07:19:02 PM

ENC @ Lesley tonight.

Looking for a winning streak.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 05, 2011, 07:19:02 PM

ENC @ Lesley tonight.

Looking for a winning streak.

No such luck for ENC, going down 58-66.  Ezeigbo had 15 rebounds and they got 18 off the bench from Mike McCoy (on 5-10 shooting from deep).  ENC should be adding back a couple of pieces after the holidays.  They should be much improved.  Hopefully the minutes earned early on by some of the bench guys will pay dividends later on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2011, 10:22:04 PM

Four teams in action Tuesday:

WNEC @ Westfield State
Nichols @ Clark
WIT hosts Connecticut College
Salve @ RIC

All four should be tests for our CCC teams.  Let's see how they do.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 06, 2011, 12:01:17 PM
Didnt this whole "Dempsey for POY" come about last year too? honestly hes a solid player but hes not great.  im not trying to knock the kid because he is the best player gordon has but there is no way he will be POY...maybe....MAYBE first team, my bet is second team.

Also saying top three in the league!? I think we all know how quickly things can change when league play comes about, every team from UNE-Salve could be in the top three...lofty predictions from you gordonhoops
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 06, 2011, 04:50:36 PM
gordonhoops123, why the username change from tcccfan2010 ?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on December 06, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
My computer crashed with all my passwords etc, so I just started a new account. And yes Dempsey is POY material. And why does it seem ENC always picks people up after Christmas break?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 06, 2011, 09:30:30 PM
Dempsey did just get voted the Player of the Week.  Don't let that fool you, though.  Aaron Trigg got it thrice his junior year while Todd Doyle only got it once, but it was Doyle who won POY that year.  Dempsey's numbers may lead to multiple Player of the Week nominations, but in no way does that gaurantee him getting POY.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on December 07, 2011, 11:16:42 AM
The point is that Dempsey is a candidate.  There are times when he could stand to play with more consistent intensity.  Regardless, he is the most skilled forward in the conference and it isn't close.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2011, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: Gordonhoops123 on December 06, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
My computer crashed with all my passwords etc, so I just started a new account. And yes Dempsey is POY material. And why does it seem ENC always picks people up after Christmas break?

I think one is grades, but the other is a guy who only has one semester of eligibility left.  It also gives them time to get Ezeigbo healthier.

I think the second semester thing goes in waves.  It used to be Curry bringing in new guys after Christmas.  Endicott had a few years where they were doing it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2011, 11:23:18 AM

WNEC gets trounced by Westfield 48-71.  Shaw had only 14 and they couldn't buy a three.

Nichols falls just short at Clark 56-58.  Not a bad result, but you hate to lose the close ones.  What's worse, they gave away a 33-12 lead.  Sheehan is having a sophomore slump, shooting poorly and managing only 11 points.  We'll have to get some on site scouting to find out whether he's getting guarded for intensely or just trying too hard.

WIT loses to Conn Coll 43-53 in what must have been a snoozer.  CC went 15-16 from the line as opposed to WIT's 1-2.  Wentworth needs to be more aggressive.  Therriault had 10, but the team was terrible from deep as well.

Salve went into the cave at RIC (right on the cusp of the top 25) and did alright, losing 55-69.  I would have hoped it would have been closer, but RIC's home gym advantage and superior talent won out.  Birrell had 14 and SRU got very little from the bench.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2011, 11:24:04 AM

No games Wednesday, but three Thursday night:

Gordon hosts Wheelock
Curry hosts UMASS-D
RWU hosts Coast Guard
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2011, 12:08:15 AM

Gordon pulls out another win, 67-53 over Wheelock.  Dempsey went for 15 and 11; Miersma comes on strong with 14 and 12.  Luke Hamilton hit five threes for 18 points.  They even got a chance to give the end of the bench a few minutes.  They might be rounding into respectable form after all - although it seems Miersma might end up being the best player on the team this year, not Dempsey.

Curry loses at home to UMASS-D 56-66.  Too lazy to look up a box score.  This seems about right.  The CCC is perenially full of underachievers; it seems this year is no different.  This is yet another in a long line of games our teams are expected to lose, but with a slight glimmer of hope that they could pull it out.  We almost never do.  Sometimes it pays to be predictable.

Roger Williams took out Coast Guard 76-74.  Flannagan had 17, but Kramer's nemesis Grossbard missed only one shot in scoring 24 off the bench.  Not a lot of depth here, but they know how to play.  Based on the numbers, though, if CGA had gone inside more instead of settling for threes, it would have been a different outcome.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2011, 09:50:35 AM

No games today, but Saturday has a few, the last muti-game day until almost New Year's.

EC hosts Clark
SRU hosts Connecticut College
RWU hosts Wheaton
WNEC is headed to Berkeley College (NY)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on December 09, 2011, 11:54:14 AM
I don't know that the conference is full of underachievers - it just isn't very good.  I only see four teams that could be decent this year - Endicott, Gordon, RWU, and Salve.

I've only watched TCCC action for the last five years.  During that time, there hasn't been anyone with size, talent, and potential that even resembles Hans Miersma.  He is starting to put up double-doubles every night and he has played only six college games and is getting less than 30 minutes a night.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on December 09, 2011, 01:29:43 PM
Maybe. Or, he may not even be the best freshman big man in town. Makris has been playing very well, also. Either way, to say that no else's "size, talent, and potential" resemble his is nonsense. In the last five years TCCC has seen some very good players - some that were able to do more than put up double-doubles on Wheelock and watered-down WNEC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 11, 2011, 11:56:21 AM
Chantastic,

Couple of things, there is no way on planet earth Gordon will finish in the top 4, no chance. guards are not good bigs are ok.



As for your absurd statement that Miresma has "the most size talent and potential of any ccc player in the last 5 years" you clearly have not been paying much attrention to the league.

The following names come to mind immeadiatly:  Jon Bowers, Toby Britain, Andrew St Clair, Jon Chaloux, Matt Abbott, Sam Herrick, Andre Makris, Sam Evans, Joey Burgos, Chima Ezigbo, hell even John Marstaller from your beloved Gordon.

The Miersma kid is big and pretty decent, however he is remarkably soft and comes from a HS program that has produced a long line of remarkably soft players. Not only will Gordon not finish in the top 4 in the league this year. They will NEVER win a championship in Hans' 4 years. You can write that in pen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2011, 02:45:28 PM

Saturday results:

EC goes down to Clark, 50-63.  Poor shooting and rebounding from EC.

Salve falls just short against Connecticut College 54-55.  This is what I mean by underachieving.  The CCC seems to lose a lot of close games to non-con opponents.  We should be winning some of these.

And Roger Williams, did, taking out Wheaton 70-66 in OT.  And they did it without Flanagan.  Impressive.  Grossbard was hot again, leading the team with 18 off the bench.

WNEC took out Berkeley (NY) 68-60.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on December 11, 2011, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 11, 2011, 11:56:21 AM
Chantastic,

Couple of things, there is no way on planet earth Gordon will finish in the top 4, no chance. guards are not good bigs are ok.



As for your absurd statement that Miresma has "the most size talent and potential of any ccc player in the last 5 years" you clearly have not been paying much attrention to the league.

The following names come to mind immeadiatly:  Jon Bowers, Toby Britain, Andrew St Clair, Jon Chaloux, Matt Abbott, Sam Herrick, Andre Makris, Sam Evans, Joey Burgos, Chima Ezigbo, hell even John Marstaller from your beloved Gordon.

The Miersma kid is big and pretty decent, however he is remarkably soft and comes from a HS program that has produced a long line of remarkably soft players. Not only will Gordon not finish in the top 4 in the league this year. They will NEVER win a championship in Hans' 4 years. You can write that in pen.

Miersma will need to toughen up.  I'll be interested to see Makris & Miersma go head to head in conference play.

Chaloux, Marstaller, Abbott, etc. were all excellent, but those guys were all about 6'5" and weren't real post players.  St. Clair ('06) was before my time. 

Herrick was an immense physical force but he played anchored to the floor and when he transferred in you never expected him to put up more than the consistent 15 and 10.

Miersma is a true 6'9" with the ability to run the floor and hit the mid-range jump shot.  He will need to get stronger and tougher but he has the potential to one day dominate in a league that's generally been guard heavy.

As for Gordon, I didn't attend and have no loyalty to the school.  I just don't think the league is very strong this year.  They have Dempsey and Miersma and will outrebound almost everyone.  That will help make up for their negative turnover ratio.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 12, 2011, 06:11:10 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 11, 2011, 11:56:21 AM
The Miersma kid is big and pretty decent, however he is remarkably soft and comes from a HS program that has produced a long line of remarkably soft players.

Is Alex Vander Baan, Holy Cross' former power forward, listed among those in Whitinsville's "long line of remarkably soft players".  I don't think so.  Quite an incentive-driven statement to make that is stupidly wrong.  I know a handful from the Wentworth crowd likes to try and act like Wentworth is perennially superior to a school in the conference like Gordon (who, mind you, still boasts the conference's ONLY at-large bid to the NCAA tournament ever, not to mention winning the CCC two years ago), but history has proved that Wentworth is not, and never will be, "better" than Gordon, institutionally or athletically.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: backboard on December 12, 2011, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on December 12, 2011, 06:11:10 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 11, 2011, 11:56:21 AM
The Miersma kid is big and pretty decent, however he is remarkably soft and comes from a HS program that has produced a long line of remarkably soft players.

Is Alex Vander Baan, Holy Cross' former power forward, listed among those in Whitinsville's "long line of remarkably soft players".  I don't think so.  Quite an incentive-driven statement to make that is stupidly wrong.  I know a handful from the Wentworth crowd likes to try and act like Wentworth is perennially superior to a school in the conference like Gordon (who, mind you, still boasts the conference's ONLY at-large bid to the NCAA tournament ever, not to mention winning the CCC two years ago), but history has proved that Wentworth is not, and never will be, "better" than Gordon, institutionally or athletically.

I'm not even sure if you know the definition of history with that garbage you just rambled off.  Wentworth has never been better than Gordon athletically?  You honestly should never be allowed to post again with that ridiculous comment. 

Outside of a couple quality seasons and SEVERAL disappointing ends to their basketball season, Gordon doesn't hold a candle to Wentworth's success.  Gordon has NEVER had a player as good as Prezzie-Blue or been able to recruit All-American talent that Wentworth has brought in during earlier seasons.  How many championships have Gordon won?  A resounding ONE!!!  I'll let you know fill me in on how many Wentworth has.  (I'll give you a hint, it's more than one.)

Please refrain from making a complete and utter fool of yourself.  I'm not interested to dragging more sports into this dispute because frankly, neither school is really elite.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GnacAlum55 on December 12, 2011, 09:49:34 PM
Want to go back even further.....how about Wentworth alums Ludger Bain, Sterling Marshall, Kenny Bascom, and Steve Matthews (I'll even throw in Brandon Boone).  Athletic and dominant.  Better than any Gordon team EVER.  Don't start with history if you don't know it....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 12, 2011, 11:10:04 PM
Actually, I do know history. Wentworth has won three (unless they won another before 1994-1995 season of which no records are available).  They have also been in the league for a longer time than Gordon has.  For the record, I wasn't mocking Wentworth, I was acknowledging the fact several former Leopards attempt to flaunt a type of superiority over Gordon, which was certainly underlined by the offended response right after mine.

If I'm a fool and ignorant of history, that makes CCC Talk an even bigger one for that idiotic statement he made.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 13, 2011, 08:48:51 AM
highflyer,

congrats you found 1 example of a non soft player in your research of Whitinsville basketball. I grew up about 45 minutes from there and other than Vander Baan just about everyone of their alleged great players ended up having disappointing collegiate careers or playing on the JV teams out in Michigan because they couldn't make the travel squads. Even the middle Bajema brother who played and now coaches I believe at Gordon and put up big numbers- disappeared in big games and missed an open 10 footer at the buzzer to lose to Wentworth in the CCC semis the year Wentworth went to the tournament.

Gordon had a nice little 5 year run due to Mike Scahuer plain and simple. He got good enough players that even though there was a lot of softness they were still competitive even if he somehow never managed to win the league. Those days are over. They are not bringing in top talent- even by CCC standards anymore. Look at their stats. Just look at them. Maybe this would be rectified by a little diversity on your team...of course we all know that won't happen.

Use whatever sample size you want to use, decade, 5 years, 3 years whatever. Gordon's basketball history is not nearly as storied as they will have you believe. Having a bunch of kids come to the game in tee shirts is cute, but 1 title in your history (in a remarkably weak year for the league) is not impressive.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 13, 2011, 11:07:04 AM
Shaking my head at high flyers comments...not even sure how to respond...i remember watching herr trying to to dunk on WITs unathletic weonard bynes and bynes sending it to the bleachers...hes (Herr) the most athletic guy ive seen for gordon in watching them in the past 7 years...they have been a methodical/hardworking/smart basketball team....but never athletic...as far as gordon being better institutionally than WIT thats kind of a brash statement as well....you are aware that WIT is an engineering school right? The only majors close to something as confusing/difficult as some of the engineering majors WIT offers is maybe gordon's physics and chemistry majors....which engineering students at WIT have to take anyway.  I get it, we are all loyal to our schools to the bone but it would be like me saying Wentworth has much a higher/stonger christian commitments than Gordon does....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on December 13, 2011, 05:11:00 PM
Let's see.  Whitinsville has had players thrive in Division I, Division II and Division III basketball in college, win conference championships at all three levels, and make NCAA tournament appearances at all three levels.  "Soft" is hardly the word that comes to mind for that.  A few of the players were on the skinnier side (Bajemas), but even them I would hardly describe their play as "soft", rather skillful (Brady was #1 in the country his senior year in 3 point shooting).  Maybe if winning counts as softness then Whitinsville is struck with it, since they have won two state titles in the past half decade.

I am quite aware of Wentworth's academics, as I am with Gordon's.  What I am mocking is the tendency of former Wentworth players to act like Wentworth is socially superior to Gordon, to the point they try to disassociate with them as a conference member and take pride in Gordon's past shortcomings.  Wentworth's record is a combined 5-12 against Gordon in the past nine years.  The fact is is that in the 21st century, starting the first full era that both schools have been members of the conference, both institutions have a CCC title, both have an NCAA tournament appearace (Gordon has two) and both have two All Americans.  When looking realistically at the facts, there is absolutely no reason why former Leopards should act superior, or maybe I should say, "hard".     
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2011, 10:41:22 PM
Endicott beat Emmanuel tonight. Magee had 34 and 12 to seal the deal.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on December 14, 2011, 10:46:04 AM
Oh im sorry i forgot we were talking about Whitinsville high school and not gordon, your right on that point. and im not saying that WIT players are "hard" by any means, Harder than Gordons yes (does this mean they have had better basketball players? Not always but sometimes)...are wits players this year harder? im not sure and most likely we will find out when they match up. I think that both teams have great pasts and its the TCCC best rivalries.

Your mocking Wits tendencys of being socially superior? As a basketball player should you not feel superior to your opponent? Should you not feel like you are better than them? because if you dont then I would say you are soft. In a rivalry should you not take pride in your rivals shortcomings? And be upset when they do well because it wasnt you?

I was livid two years ago when gordon made it to the NCAA's. should I have been happy for them because they are in the same conference as WIT? Thats like saying the red sox are happy when the Yanks make it to the world series instead of them....Its like your talking about grade school where every team should be nice to each other or like in recent days where HS teams get in trouble for running up the score...that is soft. This is college ball, you play to win simple, you dont try to make the other teams feel good about themselves...that would be...well...soft
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2011, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: WITball on December 14, 2011, 10:46:04 AM
Oh im sorry i forgot we were talking about Whitinsville high school and not gordon, your right on that point. and im not saying that WIT players are "hard" by any means, Harder than Gordons yes (does this mean they have had better basketball players? Not always but sometimes)...are wits players this year harder? im not sure and most likely we will find out when they match up. I think that both teams have great pasts and its the TCCC best rivalries.

Your mocking Wits tendencys of being socially superior? As a basketball player should you not feel superior to your opponent? Should you not feel like you are better than them? because if you dont then I would say you are soft. In a rivalry should you not take pride in your rivals shortcomings? And be upset when they do well because it wasnt you?

I was livid two years ago when gordon made it to the NCAA's. should I have been happy for them because they are in the same conference as WIT? Thats like saying the red sox are happy when the Yanks make it to the world series instead of them....Its like your talking about grade school where every team should be nice to each other or like in recent days where HS teams get in trouble for running up the score...that is soft. This is college ball, you play to win simple, you dont try to make the other teams feel good about themselves...that would be...well...soft

Yeah, this is really immature.  It's basketball.  It's amateur, division three basketball.  These guys are playing because they love basketball.  Rivalries are fun and it's great to pick on the other team and yell and stuff - it's even fine to root for them to lose.  If you extend it to the entire conference, though, you're just being self-defeating.

Of course we want our conference representatives to do well in the tournament; it's better for all our teams.  But what's more, we should want all the players on all the team to perform their best in every game.  Now fans cheering, distracting, and creating havoc is part of it; a good player should be able to overcome to atmosphere at a game to perform.  I'm not saying we should all sit silently, but that also doesn't mean we can't appreciate good play when it comes from opposing players.

I don't think you should stop trash talking here.  That's part of what makes these boards great.  We've got energetic fans representing their teams.  Of course we all laugh a bit when someone makes outrageous claims about their players.  Some choose to come back with taunts and pile on the abuse.

Personally, I think it's laughable that anyone would argue over how "hard" or "soft" a player is or which high school produced better players.  But, please have at it.  Just know that no one is winning any of those arguments, because they don't actually matter - there's no way to win them.   You're arguing for argument sake.

I relish in the struggles of Gordon as much, if not more, than anyone.  I was legitimately giddy when they opened with two 38 point games.  At the same time, I want to see the league do well, I want to see competitive games and I want these kids to reach their highest level of play.  I want everyone on the court to strive for wins, but at the d3 level, winning is not even close to everything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on December 14, 2011, 11:05:56 AM
Calm down.

This is a forum to discuss basketball. Let's try to keep it as such.

WIT is an engineering school with a decent pedigree for the sciences.. Gordon is a liberal arts school with a fantastic education program (though the new science center seems absolutely legit). It's comparing apples and oranges. Yes, they're both fruit in that they're both colleges. But that's about it regarding similarities.

Gordon has certain standards that hinder it in recruiting. This is well known. WIT does too, but they are not as much of a hindrance, I believe.

Regardless, both schools have performed well over the past decade in the CCC. Winning programs are fun to watch. Both of them fit that description.

Sherrad Prezzie-Blue is the best guard I've ever seen in the conference. Period. Gordon has had some great players, of which I would mention Aaron Trigg and Ryan Smith. SPB is better than both.

I would say that Schauer was the better coach. He did more with a lot less than perhaps any other coach in the conference during that time. But he's gone now... Gordon has to prove it can reach that level again with a new-ish coach.

Just stop it. At least keep the conversation to hoops.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on December 14, 2011, 03:24:15 PM
Here is my attempt at an All-First Semester First and Second Team. This list does not take positions into account and is in no particular order.

First Team:
Lance Greene
David Dempsey
Chima Ezeigbo
Sedale Jones
Pat Flanagan

Second Team:
Andre Shaw
Lachlan Magee
Ryan Birrell
Lambros Papalambros
Corey Therriault

I wanted to include Sheehan but he isn't shooting well, isn't rebounding, and isn't getting assists. There were too many guys that would have been in consideration for a third team so I decided not to do one. I'm sure this list isn't perfect but it isn't a bad jumping off point.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on December 14, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
Now that the first semester is all but over, I'd like to hear how everyone thinks the conference will shape up.

I actually haven't seen enough to make a definitive statement although I think Endicott, GC, WIT, and RWU will be the top 4 in some sort of order. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on December 14, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Now that Callo is back, I think Endicott is the clear favorite.

I think the next tier is WIT, Curry, Salve, and RWU.

Naz, Gordon, and Nichols are all about the same.

WNEC and UNE are brining up the rear.

If Curry adds a big during the break, and doesn't lose Lambros or Sedale, they could take out Endicott. Overall, if I have to make the prediction now, I'm going with a Endicott v. Salve in the final - EC winning. Salve has the odd combinatin of being young and having championship experience. That works as the tie-breaker for me (over Curry, WIT, and RWU).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on December 14, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
Quote from: uconn05 on December 14, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Now that Callo is back, I think Endicott is the clear favorite.

I think the next tier is WIT, Curry, Salve, and RWU.

Naz, Gordon, and Nichols are all about the same.

WNEC and UNE are brining up the rear.

If Curry adds a big during the break, and doesn't lose Lambros or Sedale, they could take out Endicott. Overall, if I have to make the prediction now, I'm going with a Endicott v. Salve in the final - EC winning. Salve has the odd combinatin of being young and having championship experience. That works as the tie-breaker for me (over Curry, WIT, and RWU).

I disagree, for some reason Phil Rowe has tons of talent each year and can't get it done. They were very athletic and got smoked by Gordon two years ago on the way to GC winning it all. Rowe can't get them to play together. And yes Schauer was the best all time coaches that Gordon has had, he was up there with Bill Fotti and Fotti can recruit whoever he wants with no limitations.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2011, 11:59:05 AM

Wentworth is down in Texas to play D-1 UTPA tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2011, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: uconn05 on December 14, 2011, 03:24:15 PM
Here is my attempt at an All-First Semester First and Second Team. This list does not take positions into account and is in no particular order.

First Team:
Lance Greene
David Dempsey
Chima Ezeigbo
Sedale Jones
Pat Flanagan

Second Team:
Andre Shaw
Lachlan Magee
Ryan Birrell
Lambros Papalambros
Corey Therriault

I wanted to include Sheehan but he isn't shooting well, isn't rebounding, and isn't getting assists. There were too many guys that would have been in consideration for a third team so I decided not to do one. I'm sure this list isn't perfect but it isn't a bad jumping off point.

Really?  Ezeigbo is still coming back from the injury and Dempsey hasn't quite found his stride yet.

Flanagan and Birrell have been the best players so far.  I'd probably include Shaw and Jones simply because they're carrying their teams right now.  There's about ten guys that I'd be ok with at #5.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on December 15, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
I think swapping Shaw for Dempsey is justified.

I don't know anything about Chima's injuries but he has played in seven games and is averaging 16ppg, a league leading 11rpg, and 2.5 blocks. Naz has't been very good but I think he has played a high level.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2011, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: uconn05 on December 15, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
I think swapping Shaw for Dempsey is justified.

I don't know anything about Chima's injuries but he has played in seven games and is averaging 16ppg, a league leading 11rpg, and 2.5 blocks. Naz has't been very good but I think he has played a high level.

I saw games #2 and #3 to start the season and he's at maybe 80%.  Hopefully he'll be back on top of things after the holiday.  He just wasn't able to be aggressive on the leg and his fitness may not have been at peak level.

He broke his leg last December on the trip to California and just got cleared to play a couple weeks before the season started (and after practice began).  I don't remember all the specifics, but it involved dozens of pins and multiple fractures.  I heard rumors that the doctor who did the surgery has been a Patriots physicians and still said this was the worst injury he'd ever seen.  I think more than likely it's lucky Chima's even playing basketball at all this year.

There were certainly signs of his ability - and maybe even at 80% he's among the top five in the conference, it's certainly a possibility.

I've got high hopes for this ENC squad once everyone is back after the holidays.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: magicman on December 15, 2011, 08:32:19 PM
Wentworth hanging with D1 Texas-Pan American through the first 10 minutes of the first half as they are only down 1,  17-16.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: magicman on December 15, 2011, 09:05:18 PM
Texas-Pan American creates some daylight from Wentworth as the Broncs end the half on a 11-2 spurt ot open up a 40-24 advantage over the Leopards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on December 15, 2011, 09:07:46 PM
I hope you all don't mind too much but I would like to go back to something in some of the previous posts.  The WIT-Gordon discussion, while largely silly brought out a point that has mystified me for some time.  A couple of the posters inferred that Gordon is at a disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and is some how restricted from going after "whomever they want."  This comes from the idea that as a Christian College Gordon restricts itself to only Christian athletes and that puts it at a disadvantage.  Now, I realize that this is what Gordon does, but is it really that much of a disadvantage?  If so, than someone please explain to me how Messiah College has eight of the last twelve national championships in men's soccer or their women have won four of the last seven and been runners up in three others?  What about Calvin College winning Basketball national titles in 1992 and 2000?  Or Weaton College winning womens soccer titles in 2004, 2006 and 2007?  Messiah was runners up in Field Hockey seven times since 1997...Calvin won a Volleyball National Title last year...etc. etc.  I know this is more than just hoops but it begs the question...is it the restriction or the recruiting?  Is it the part of the country?  Yes, Weaton is in that Basketball "friendly" part of the nation but is PA the soccer hotbet of the USA?  Maybe I am missing something for which I sure would like to be enlighted or maybe this has already been discussed here and if so I apologize but many of the schools are on break so I thought it would be a good time to get my question in.  Thanks all for your posting which provides good information and entertainment.  I am not located in New England so you all help me stay in touch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: magicman on December 15, 2011, 09:46:22 PM
Wentworth loses to Texas-Pan American 65-48. Eric Prue with 14 pts and John Fragnoli with 10 are the top scorers for the Leopards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2011, 09:49:07 PM
Wentworth comports themselves well, losing by only 19.  They represented themselves and the conference well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on December 16, 2011, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on December 15, 2011, 09:07:46 PM
I hope you all don't mind too much but I would like to go back to something in some of the previous posts.  The WIT-Gordon discussion, while largely silly brought out a point that has mystified me for some time.  A couple of the posters inferred that Gordon is at a disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and is some how restricted from going after "whomever they want."  This comes from the idea that as a Christian College Gordon restricts itself to only Christian athletes and that puts it at a disadvantage.  Now, I realize that this is what Gordon does, but is it really that much of a disadvantage?  If so, than someone please explain to me how Messiah College has eight of the last twelve national championships in men's soccer or their women have won four of the last seven and been runners up in three others?  What about Calvin College winning Basketball national titles in 1992 and 2000?  Or Weaton College winning womens soccer titles in 2004, 2006 and 2007?  Messiah was runners up in Field Hockey seven times since 1997...Calvin won a Volleyball National Title last year...etc. etc.  I know this is more than just hoops but it begs the question...is it the restriction or the recruiting?  Is it the part of the country?  Yes, Weaton is in that Basketball "friendly" part of the nation but is PA the soccer hotbet of the USA?  Maybe I am missing something for which I sure would like to be enlighted or maybe this has already been discussed here and if so I apologize but many of the schools are on break so I thought it would be a good time to get my question in.  Thanks all for your posting which provides good information and entertainment.  I am not located in New England so you all help me stay in touch.

GC Oldtimer,
I wouldn't say they are a disadvantage as much as they are forced to recruit from all over the country to find kids who are the right fit for Gordon, both academically, spiritually and basketball skill. As a school like Colby Sawyer has Bill Fotti recruiting the top guys from New Hampshire every year, Gordon has to be strategic in the money they are spending to get guys like Trigg from Kansas, Derr from Illinois, Gaskill from Ohio, etc. So I would say the only disadvantage is they have to spend their recruiting budget wisely in order to recruit across the country instead of just driving to see kids in New England. But with great academics, a great campus and a solid basketball program Gordon has put itself in a solid position to be a very appealing school.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2011, 09:53:05 AM

Nichols is in sunny Daytona Beach for a tournament Wednesday and Thursday - playing Taylor (IND) and Stevenson.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on December 19, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
GC Oldtimer,

There seems to be a tipping point where being a Christian College can help you get athletes.  If you look at the rosters of a school like Wheaton they are getting athletes from all over the country.

The interesting thing about a school like Gordon is that they very rarely compete for recruits against other TCCC schools.  Nobody's final choice comes down to Curry or Gordon.  Gordon is often competing against Messiah, Wheaton, Grove City, etc. and when they do compete against "secular" schools it is usually a question of money.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3Fan4255 on December 19, 2011, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Gordonhoops123 on December 14, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
Quote from: uconn05 on December 14, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Now that Callo is back, I think Endicott is the clear favorite.

I think the next tier is WIT, Curry, Salve, and RWU.

Naz, Gordon, and Nichols are all about the same.

WNEC and UNE are brining up the rear.

If Curry adds a big during the break, and doesn't lose Lambros or Sedale, they could take out Endicott. Overall, if I have to make the prediction now, I'm going with a Endicott v. Salve in the final - EC winning. Salve has the odd combinatin of being young and having championship experience. That works as the tie-breaker for me (over Curry, WIT, and RWU).

I disagree, for some reason Phil Rowe has tons of talent each year and can't get it done. They were very athletic and got smoked by Gordon two years ago on the way to GC winning it all. Rowe can't get them to play together. And yes Schauer was the best all time coaches that Gordon has had, he was up there with Bill Fotti and Fotti can recruit whoever he wants with no limitations.

To go back to the post about Endicott and Phil Rowe, I'll have to respectfully disagree with GordonHoops.  Not to completely stir the pot, but if you look back at the roster from Rowe's first year with the team, 09-10, it was NOT filled with "tons of talent."  It was a team that the previous year had won 10 games, and were going nowhere fast.  I will give you that they were pretty athletic, but that does not equal talent.  Rowe and his staff were able to bring in Lance Greene at Christmas, and has brought in a stellar recruiting class each of the following seasons.  Installing a completely new style of play and new system comes with ups and downs, but to take a team with 10 wins the year before he got there, and win 17 after his first recruiting class gets there is pretty darn good. 

In Rowe's first year, there were players who might not have bought into his system, etc, but they are gone now.  He now has players who were highly recruited out of high school (i.e. Green, Makris, Magee, Henault) who chose to come play at a place where they know good things can happen.  If you look at the roster, the team is still very young and going through growing pains, but to put that on Rowe is completely crazy.  I think that by the end of the year, the Gulls are going to be one of the top teams, if not THE top team in the league, and MOST of that credit goes to Phil Rowe
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on December 20, 2011, 11:16:56 AM
I like Phil Rowe and it would be great for the strength of the league as a whole if EC can play to their potential.

In previous years it seems like Endicott has put together a roster that looks great in warmups.  In the actual games they seem disjointed.  Even this year, when I see that they give up 91 to St. Joe's (VT) in the home opener it makes you wonder how much things have changed.

It could be that experience is all they need.  The roster looks great on paper.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 20, 2011, 10:14:01 PM

Nichols got crushed in their first Florida game, 53-70 to non-d3 Taylor.  They play Stevenson tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2011, 09:04:30 PM

Nichols lost that second game to Stevenson in overtime.

Curry got crushed tonight by Middlebury.  Ryan Sharry was back for Midd and went for 23 and 10 in just 27 minutes.

Gordon is playing Vanguard out in California.  They trail by 8 early in the second half, but some foul trouble for the starters.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 31, 2011, 06:16:02 PM

Gordon lost the second game as well to Northwestern (IA) 61-82.

Curry beat Colby 66-65.  Nice win.

UNE got crushed by Springfield 72-49 (UNE scored only 17 in the second half.)

Salve lost to Coast Guard 85-82.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2012, 10:14:11 AM

UNE lost to Hunter 57-84.  That is not a good result.  This could be the worst team in D3 right now.  They still haven't won a game.

Roger Williams is playing at Union today.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2012, 09:32:24 AM

RWU falls to Union 63-70.  They get Wells tonight.

As for the rest of the CCC, it's a NESCAC night with ENC hosting Conn Coll, Gordon hosting Tufts, and UNE hosting Bates.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2012, 10:32:28 PM

Roger Williams took care of Wells 66-59.

As expected, we went 0-3 against the NESCAC this evening, but two of those games were closer than I would have thought.

ENC lost to Connecticut College 56-61.  According to the game recap, ENC lost six players from the roster going into the second half.  For those of us who saw them early on, there probably wasn't a huge loss there.  They added at least one new player - Deangelo Alston is back on the team.  They did only play seven tonight (and only have 11 on the roster).  Ezeigbo went for 14 and 8.

Gordon lost to Tufts 78-85.  Another good showing.  Dempsey had 25.

UNE got smoked by Bates 54-74 and remain winless.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2012, 10:33:49 PM

Endicott hosts Salem State tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 04, 2012, 08:52:24 AM
Decent showing the other night by RWU w/o Flanagan. Big game tonight for Endicott. They have the talent to win this game, especially if everyone is healthy (read: Callo and Henault).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2012, 02:51:56 PM

So EC took out Salem State 93-89 last night.  Five guys in double figures... it's like magic.

Three road games tonight:

WIT @ Newbury
NC @ Anna Maria
ENC @ Daniel Webster

All are winnable; let's see how it goes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2012, 01:12:13 PM

Well, we got two wins out of three last night - and I suppose losing to AMC isn't terrible, even if would have been nice to beat some former conference mates:

WIT over Newbury 64-55.  Wentworth had to overcome a halftime deficit and some poor three point shooting to win.  Mayo scored 22.

ENC over Daniel Webster 70-63.  ENC had five guys in double figures (they're really only playing 7 right now) and Ezeigbo went for 13 and 13.

Nichols dropped one to Anna Maria 71-85.  Sheehan may be coming out of his slump, scoring 33 - and it's not like he snuck up on AMC.  Nichols defense will have to improve.  AMC shot a really high percentage and took significantly less shots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2012, 01:13:14 PM

No games tonight, but a full slate of conference match-ups tomorrow:

CC @ SRU
NC @ WIT
ENC @ GC
EC @ WNEC
UNE @ RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 06, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
Hoops, it appears as thought NC needs Kuntz and Sheehan to play really well in order to wn. W/o Kuntz against AMC they had no chance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 06, 2012, 01:46:17 PM
I'm going with the home teams this weekend. WNEC over EC is a shot in the dark based on EC's inconsistency over the past year and a half and Thulen may be have been able to make an impression on his team over the break.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2012, 12:15:36 PM
Quote from: uconn05 on January 06, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
Hoops, it appears as thought NC needs Kuntz and Sheehan to play really well in order to wn. W/o Kuntz against AMC they had no chance.

They do need more than Sheehan to win - but I think they're more in need of some defense.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2012, 05:29:06 PM

Salve over Curry in OT 87-82.  Jones led Curry with 33 and 12, along with 6 assists; three other players scored in double figures.  Salve was led by 23 from Isaiah Pringle; Birrell had 15 and 12; Bielefeld went for 15 and 11.  Salve won on the boards, but not by too much.  Both teams had lots of turnovers.  Salve made as many FTs as Curry shot.

WIT over NC 58-51.  Sheehan and Kuntz scored 18 and 16 respectively and Nichols picked up the D (WIT shot just 35% from the floor), but 1-10 shooting from deep spelled trouble again for NC.  Prue and Therriault each had 14 for Wentworth.

Gordon wins over ENC 84-74.  The pace went crazy in the second half (48-53), but Gordon's excellent shooting from the floor won out.  ENC continue to have problems on the offensive end.  Gordon shot 50% from the floor, 60% from the arc (which made up for taking 20 less shots).  Ezeigbo led ENC with 15 and 12.  ENC got dominated on the boards (45-32).  Luke Hamilton led five Scots in double figures with 26 points (on 6-8 from deep).  Dempsey went for 18 and 10.

EC trashed WNEC 78-58.  Shaw had 18 for WNEC.  EC broke the streak, winning with just three guys in double figures.  Knowlton led with 18.  EC shot very well, from the floor and the arc.

RWU tops UNE 62-55.  No box score yet, but this one was way too close.  Something fishy must have gone on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 07, 2012, 09:36:49 PM
EC is looking like the clear favorite after their win over Salem St.

I was at the Gordon-ENC game today.  A couple observations:

Dempsey was the dominant player in this game.  Gordon is completely lost when he is not on the court.

Ezeigbo ran with a noticeable limp.  He scored most of his points in the last 10 minutes when the game got sloppy.  Miersma was able to neutralize him in the halfcourt.  ENC was very disjointed in halfcourt and had a lot more success when they started to run.

Gordon's backcourt has serious issues that I do not see getting resolved any time soon.  This team is still way too sloppy with the ball.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on January 08, 2012, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: Chantastic on January 07, 2012, 09:36:49 PM
EC is looking like the clear favorite after their win over Salem St.
Chantastic,

Great observations. I made the game as well and Coach Murphy needs to work overtime to recruit a legit point guard. Gordon should be dominating with the D. Dempsey and Hans combination in the paint but their struggle to even get the ball over half court at times is painful. I was also discouraged to see the lack of boxing out by Gordon, they were hit with several over the back calls, with their size they should be dominating the boards using good technique. I am confused as to why a coach like Murphy who is a big man is not working harder to have a dominate inside game and rebounding team. I miss the days of a coach Schauer defensive team, I guess I need to watch some Wheaton games.


I was at the Gordon-ENC game today.  A couple observations:

Dempsey was the dominant player in this game.  Gordon is completely lost when he is not on the court.

Ezeigbo ran with a noticeable limp.  He scored most of his points in the last 10 minutes when the game got sloppy.  Miersma was able to neutralize him in the halfcourt.  ENC was very disjointed in halfcourt and had a lot more success when they started to run.

Gordon's backcourt has serious issues that I do not see getting resolved any time soon.  This team is still way too sloppy with the ball.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 09, 2012, 07:50:51 AM
Boy, I was way off with the WNEC pick.

It appears as though Gordon and RWU have pretty similar teama- good inside, young and turnover prone on the perimeter. Canova didn't play for Salve but they got a huge, and unexpected, contribution from Pringle. They have been very inconsistent offensively this year, so if Pringle can be a legit second option they will be much better.

Right now the main question with the league is "Who's #2?". Way too early to say but I think this will be a common question for the 5 weeks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2012, 09:39:12 AM
Quote from: uconn05 on January 09, 2012, 07:50:51 AM
Right now the main question with the league is "Who's #2?". Way too early to say but I think this will be a common question for the 5 weeks.

Did I miss when we figured out who #1 was?  It's tough to figure out who's on top in a year when we've got several good teams - this year, with everyone inconsistent it's going to be nearly impossible.

I'll grant that Salve has a leg up right now, but they're certainly not strong enough to convince me of anything.

We've got plenty of teams who definitely aren't #1, but if you get enough of those you're back to square one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 09, 2012, 09:59:21 AM
While it hasn't been proven, since league play is still in it's infancy, I'd say that EC is the best team in the league. The coaches thought so before the season started and I am confident that they will be the #1 seed going into the playoffs.

Given the parity within the league, every road win should will be huge (especially during on a weekday as those can be very long days for student-athletes). In addition, we're going to see 3 game weeks from now till the end of the season. This will be a huge benefit to any team that has legitimate depth. Curry, for example, has two very good players but no depth. They could be introuble once we hit February.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2012, 10:06:57 AM

EC hasn't been consistent enough for me yet.  They're also already down a game to Salve.

I don't have any idea who will wind up on top.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 09, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
Picks with little chance of being correct:

Eastern Nazarene at Salve Regina
Western New England at Wentworth
Gordon at University of New England
Endicott at Nichols
Roger Williams at Curry

The two most interesting game for me GC v UNE and RWU v Curry. I'm going with UNE because I think they will cause enough turnovers to overcome the size difference. Jones and Papalambros can really score and if RWU continues to turn it over they will make them pay in transition.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 10, 2012, 11:51:45 AM
I like Salve, WIT, GC, and EC and would be surprised if any of those games are particularly close.  UNE will shoot below 40% and be outrebounded by 15.  It would take a lot of Gordon turnovers to offset that.

Best game of the night looks like RWU @ Curry.  Is Flanagan playing?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 10, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Here are the predictions by Massey with scores and %chance of winning. Meaningless but fun to look at.

Roger Williams (6-4)  67-65  56%
@ Curry (3-7)          

E Nazarene (2-8)          
@ Salve Regina (5-5)  76-66     85%

W New England (4-5)    
@ Wentworth (6-3)  59-52  76%

Endicott (7-3)  77-69  80%
@ Nichols (2-8)         

Gordon (4-6)  66-54  89%
@ UNE (0-10)             
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 11, 2012, 08:46:46 AM
Good call Chantastic, rebounding was definitely the key for Gordon over UNE - who won by 10 despite committing 23 turnovers.

Nichols and Endicott was quite a shout-out. Not much defense for either team. Nichols's bench came up huge.

RWU and Curry wasn't as close as I thought it would be. Curry was up 10 most of the way as Flanagan was unable to get any offensive help. Big game for Papalambros.

Salve smashed Naz. Canova came off the bench (nursing an injury?).

WIT smoked WNEC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2012, 09:59:54 AM

Salve over ENC 74-53.  SRU is certainly solidifying their position as the favorites.  Birrell had 19, but they are really winning with ball control.  They're creating lots of turnovers and keeping their numbers relatively low.  Ezeigbo had 17.

WIT over WNEC 57-36.  Wentworth with the defense in this one.  No WNEC player had more than 9 points and they stifled Shaw to a 3-13 shooting night.  Dombrowski had a double-double for Wentworth, who even got good minutes from the bench.  They seem to be really streaky right now.

Nichols over Endicott in a shoot-out 93-83.  Two teams who have trouble playing defense, this is to be expected.  NC flipped the script on EC, putting five of their own in double figures and shooting lights out from deep.  All nine guys who played got more than 10 minutes.  Sheehan had 17.  Eric Callo had 14 and 12 for Endicott.  There's a lot of potential on that Nichols.

Gordon over UNE 56-46.  UNE is running out of chances to win games.  Both teams shot terribly from deep and neither did much to get to the FT line.  Gordon's dominant rebound advantage made up for 23 turnovers.  Alex Carnes went for 13 and 8 to lead Gordon.

Curry over RWU 69-61 at home.  Big win for the Colonels.  They seem to have decided to ignore Flanagan down low (he scored 26) and focus on the perimeter (where RWU shot terribly).  Jones went for 17 and 10, while Papalambros had 25 with 6 assists.  The numbers were even all the way around, except for a 41-32 advantage for CC on shooting percentage.  That's your difference.

This is going to be one heck of a season.  Lot's of fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 12, 2012, 08:19:05 AM
Here are the slate of Thursday games:

Curry at University of New England
Gordon at Roger Williams
Salve Regina at Western New England
Wentworth at Endicott
Nichols at Eastern Nazarene

I think all of these will be really good games. If I were to pick winners they would all be guesses so I will abstain. If I had to pick which one I woiuld watch in-person I would probably choose WIT v. EC, mainly because they have such different styles of play. Whoever can set the tempo in that game will probably win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 12, 2012, 05:05:31 PM
Good games tonight.  My guesses:

Curry over UNE.  UNE held Gordon to 7% from 3, and 40% overall.  They forced 24 turnovers.  If you do that and lose by double digits, you may never win.

RWU over GC.  Gordon will struggle to get past 55 pts.

Salve over WNE.  Just a better team.

Endicott over WIT.  Good game - I like the home team.

ENC over Nichols.  Regression to the mean from Nichols.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2012, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: Chantastic on January 12, 2012, 05:05:31 PM
Good games tonight.  My guesses:

Curry over UNE.  UNE held Gordon to 7% from 3, and 40% overall.  They forced 24 turnovers.  If you do that and lose by double digits, you may never win.

RWU over GC.  Gordon will struggle to get past 55 pts.

Salve over WNE.  Just a better team.

Endicott over WIT.  Good game - I like the home team.

ENC over Nichols.  Regression to the mean from Nichols.

These are perfectly logical predictions.  You can't argue with them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2012, 08:43:18 PM
Gordon is up 10 at the half.  NC and ENC are tied.

EC is crushing Wentworth, 44-27 at the half.  On the bright side, that's like a full game score for UNE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2012, 09:35:35 PM

Salve over WNEC 74-56.  Shaw had 19.  Daniel Minto went for 13 and 13 for WNEC.  Birrell had 20, 6 and 6.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2012, 09:39:01 PM

Gordon comes out strong, beating Roger Williams 77-62.  They shot 60% from the floor and the arc - Carnes, Hamilton, and Thomas all shot well.  Dempsey went 8-11 for 19, 7, and 7.  Great game.  Flanagan had 19 on what is appearing more and more a one dimensional squad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2012, 09:42:59 PM

ENC falls to Nichols 56-60.  Another tough loss for ENC. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2012, 09:49:03 PM

Wentworth makes a big comeback, but it's not enough, EC wins 62-69.  Both teams shot terribly, but EC won the rebound battle and EC spent a ton of time on the FT line.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2012, 12:14:40 PM

Curry and UNE was evidently postponed.  They had some live stats up, but they were from the previous game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 14, 2012, 10:59:42 PM
Salve defeated Gordon 73-63 today in a matchup of the league's only undefeated teams.

Gordon was up 58-49 with 12 1/2 left and scored only 5 points the rest of the way.

Very impressed with Salve.  That's a savvy team. Ryan Birrell was fantastic.  They have no height, even by TCCC standards, but their ball movement and shot selection is outstanding.  When they took the lead they knew how to close it.

Dempsey went for 18, 6, and 5 for Gordon.  Early in the second half he dunked in traffic with his off hand - one of the most athletic plays I have ever seen at the D3 level.  Gordon is clearly still a work in progress and will have an interesting week with road games @ EC and WIT.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2012, 02:20:28 PM

Gordon really does seem to be coming on of late.  They could make some waves as they continue to find form.

Roger Williams seem to have taken the "one man team" criticism to heart, winning over WIT with next to nothing from Flanagan.

Nichols survived a scare against UNE, but the bench bailed out a bad game from Sheehan.

WNEC proved to be the real "one man team" in the conference, losing at home to ENC.

Endicott over Curry in sloppy, sloppy game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on January 16, 2012, 09:49:49 PM
Gordon v. Endicott tomorrow, should be a good one. If Hans can be more physical in the paint and Hamilton gets some looks Gordon could be right in this one
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 17, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
The only way that Gordon will NOT be in this game is if they make even more turnovers than they have been.

We are 1/3 of the way through the conference season.  Gordon is first in the conference in FG% and FG% defense.  They are first in 3PT% and 3PT% defense.  They are absolutely crushing the league in rebounding margin (+12.7).  They are leading the conference in blocked shots and assists.

At the same time, they are dead last (by a wide margin) in turnover margin (-8.7).

The frontcourt of Dempsey, Miersma, and Carnes is easily superior to the rest of the league, and they are only getting better.  This team only has one senior in their rotation and he plays about 10 minutes a game.  All the guards are freshman and sophomores.  I would suggest that the ability of those guards to get to a league average level over the next ten or twelve games will determine whether anyone else has a chance to beat Gordon once the playoffs start.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 17, 2012, 04:00:54 PM
I think that Salve will be a tough match-up for them for the rest of the year, no matter how much better those guards get. Sure, they will gain some experience. However, you can't rely on freshman in February - especially with a lot of three game weeks. The season is much longer than a high school season and it is very difficult for every first year player that is getting significant minutes.

With Salve averaging 13 steals/game in conference play they will give every shaky backcourt a very tough time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 17, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
Salve is going to be a tough matchup for anyone, especially if they get homecourt advantage.

Nobody on their team really blows you away with their athletic ability, but they know exactly what they are trying to do.  Gordon's current point guard Park Thomas isn't good yet, but he has the most potential of any of their current point guard prospects.  When he tried to play with 4 fouls late in last week's game, Salve ran a set play, posted him up, picked up the 5th foul, and then closed out the game against Gordon's backup PG.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 04:27:18 PM

Tonight:

WIT @ SRU
NC @ RWU
WNEC @ CC
UNE @ ENC
GC @ EC

I pick the home teams down the line.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 17, 2012, 04:49:22 PM
Are the students back yet for the Beverly Brawl? If so, I'd love to be in the gym for that game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 09:04:38 PM

Gordon and EC are tied at 40 with 11 minutes to go.  Gordon is not hitting threes and has some foul trouble, but they're hanging tight for now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 09:09:02 PM

Roger Williams reverted back to a one man team (Flanagan is 11-11 on the night), but they're making a run at Nichols (whose bench had really come alive of late).  Already 63-54 with ten minutes to play.  Shoot out!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 09:34:14 PM
EC wins 68-62.  Dempsey had 13, but some foul trouble.  Park Thomas had 16.  They shot terribly, but kept it close.  Lance Green had 16 for EC and really came through down the stretch.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 09:39:33 PM

Nichols was playing without Kuntz again and Pat Flanagan (forevermore to be called "the one man wrecking crew") closed a sizeable gap to hand RWU the win 79-75.  Sheehan had 19 and the bench chipped in, but the one man wrecking crew was too hot to handle.  Flanagan had 34 points and 12 rebounds, along with three blocks and two steals.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 09:42:49 PM

UNE gets its first win of the year and ruins my home team sweep prediction, beating ENC in Quincy 60-54.  Ugh.  I don't even want to look at a boxscore for this one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 09:52:28 PM

Curry beats WNEC 69-60.  Shaw had 18, but shot terribly and was held in check pretty well.  Jones had 20 with 19 rebounds.  He won this game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 09:54:02 PM

Down goes Salve.  WIT wins 62-58.  Derrick Mayo had 14 and 8 for Wentworth.  Birrell had only 18 as Salve shot 1-12 from three at home.  This is that inconsistency I was talking about.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2012, 05:53:28 PM

Tonight:

SRU @ NC
GC @ WIT
EC @ UNE
CC @ ENC
WNEC @ RWU
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2012, 08:55:00 AM

Curry took out ENC in OT 78-67.  Curry had 6! players in double figures. Jones only had 11.

WNEC beats Roger Williams 69-68.  Shaw had 24, but it looks like the rest of the squad is starting to show up for these things.  One-man-wrecking-crew went for 22 and 13.

62-48, Endicott over UNE.  Callo went for 14 and 17.

Salve 83, Nichols 75.  Nichols had a big lead for a lot of the game, but SRU worked it back and won in the end.  NC is still without Kuntz, but Sam Horning went 4-5 from deep to lead the team with 16; I'm not sure Sheehan even scored in the second half.  Birrell had 22 and 8 with 7 assists and 4 steals.  Dinneen had 21 and Pringle 19 - they were a combined 7-13 from three point range.

WIT ruined the road team sweep with a one point win over Gordon 60-59.  Derek Mayo hit a three with 5 seconds left to win the game.  Park Thomas had 17 to lead all game scorers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 20, 2012, 10:34:48 AM
10pts 2rebs isnt much for a POY contender? Wit has confused me this year....they have one player averaging more than 10 ppg (Corey T.) and he is also tied as the leading rebounder at 5.4 with Derek Mayo...There is no clear standout player but they seem to get it done as a team, when it matters. In conference play the games have been decided on average by 6.75pts...and if you take out their 21 point win over WNEC your looking at a 4.7pts. I hope they can start putting teams away like they did WNEC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2012, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: WITball on January 20, 2012, 10:34:48 AM
10pts 2rebs isnt much for a POY contender? Wit has confused me this year....they have one player averaging more than 10 ppg (Corey T.) and he is also tied as the leading rebounder at 5.4 with Derek Mayo...There is no clear standout player but they seem to get it done as a team, when it matters. In conference play the games have been decided on average by 6.75pts...and if you take out their 21 point win over WNEC your looking at a 4.7pts. I hope they can start putting teams away like they did WNEC.

WIT has a POY contender?  Since when?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on January 20, 2012, 12:16:19 PM
Look at the box score, dempsey had 10pts 2rebs...wit definatley does not have a POY contender.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on January 20, 2012, 12:47:19 PM
All POY discussion has to probably start and end with Birrell...

also I believe WITBall is referencing the every year candidacy of David Dempsey for POY by the Gordon faithful...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 20, 2012, 01:25:12 PM
Clutch rally from WIT last night - came back from down 7 with 2:45 to go.

If Salve wins the league Birrell will certainly deserve the MVP award.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 20, 2012, 01:45:05 PM
I'm all for POY going to best player on the best team and at this point it's been Birrell. 

I do think that Dempsey is the league's best all around player.  My suspicion is that 9 out 10 coaches in the league would pick him first if starting a team from scratch out of current CCC players. He is not exactly surrounded by a tremendous supporting cast.  When you see someone for Gordon put up relatively modest point totals in the 10-16 point range, you have to remember that they are walking the ball up the court and turning it over a full 25% of the time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 09:27:30 AM

It will be Birrell - and if it's not, it will be Jones from Curry.  Maybe there have been enough coaching changes of late to make things different, but generally they've voted for the all-around best player without regard to which team is the best.  They also tend to reward longevity.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 09:28:53 AM

Saturday games, assuming no one wimps out and cowers in fear of the snow:

ENC @ EC
RWU @ SRU
WIT @ CC
NC @ GC
UNE @ WNEC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 04:32:28 PM

ENC and Endicott wussed out with the snow - the other four games are being played.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 04:33:22 PM

WNEC and UNE going to overtime tied at 60.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 04:49:27 PM

UNE miraculously picks up another win, another road win at that (they haven't won at home this year), beating WNEC 70-69 in OT.  Some stellar three point shooting led the way.  Shaw had 19 and Minto went for 17 and 17 for WNEC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 04:51:06 PM

Down goes Salve.  RWU wins the rivalry game 75-72 on the sharp shooting for Engemann (6-12 from deep) with 27 points.  They also succeeded in holding Birrell to 17, 6, and 8.  The one-man-wrecking-crew went for 16 and 12 with 6 blocks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 04:54:06 PM

Gordon drops one at home to Nichols 69-71, turning a 9 point halftime lead into a loss.  As expected, GC just couldn't score with the freewheeling NC squad.  Dempsey had 16 points, but only one rebound as boards were scarce.  Both teams shot over 45% from the field.  Still no Kuntz for Nichols, but they're starting to come together with four players in double figures; Sheehan had 15.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 04:56:48 PM

Curry runs the score up on Wentworth, turning a ten point lead with five to go into a 92-68 walloping.  WIT shot 40% from three, but were outrebounded.  Derek Mayo had 16 points.  Papalambros had 23 and Jones 19 for Curry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2012, 04:59:11 PM

Now we have some clear separation.  Seven teams with 4 wins or better and the three at the bottom (ENC, WNEC, and UNE) all fighting for the last playoff spot, tied at 2 wins a piece.

As far as I know we're still planning on an 8 team playoff.  I haven't heard different from the conference on that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 21, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
The Nichols win came on a 3-pointer with three seconds left.  NC was down 69-68 with nine seconds left.  They pulled a chubby 6'6" kid off the end of the bench, ran a set play for him, and he buried the shot.

Had to be a great moment for Nichols.  Give credit to Nichols' coach Dave Sokolnicki for a stunning end game strategy. 

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2012, 10:20:41 PM

UNE crushes Curry 73-56 in the make-up of a previously postponed game.  Charles Fenner III with 19 for UNE.  Jones went for 20 and 7.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on January 24, 2012, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: Chantastic on January 21, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
The Nichols win came on a 3-pointer with three seconds left.  NC was down 69-68 with nine seconds left.  They pulled a chubby 6'6" kid off the end of the bench, ran a set play for him, and he buried the shot.

Had to be a great moment for Nichols.  Give credit to Nichols' coach Dave Sokolnicki for a stunning end game strategy.

If a team your playing pulls a chubby 6'6" kid off the bench for the last seconds of the game you have to conclude he can do one thing well...shoot the ball. Why was he wide open??? that might have been a poor coaching decision.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 24, 2012, 10:49:26 PM
This photo sequence makes what happened very clear.  Miersma stays in the lane, leaving his man on the perimeter.

http://writingscots.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/late-three-gets-nichols-past-gordon-in-mens-basketball/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on January 25, 2012, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: Chantastic on January 24, 2012, 10:49:26 PM
This photo sequence makes what happened very clear.  Miersma stays in the lane, leaving his man on the perimeter.

http://writingscots.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/late-three-gets-nichols-past-gordon-in-mens-basketball/

Is that a rookie mistake or a bad call on the coaching staff to keep him in the lane?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on January 27, 2012, 09:35:39 AM
Here are my weekend picks sure to be wrong. Nichols has been playing well of late but has been un able to finish down the stretch in some games they were leading, so I'm taking them at home. RWU against EC will be a good game and it could probably go either way. Curry can really score and Gordon has been struggling of late so I'm taking Curry

Western New England at Nichols
University of New England at Salve Regina
Eastern Nazarene at Wentworth
Endicott at Roger Williams
Curry at Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2012, 01:58:00 PM

Sorry.  I was incomunicado this week, but fortunately missed only one night of games instead of two.

Wednesday's results:

WIT 59, UNE 49.  Both teams played pretty terribly, but UNE is just not as good, although this Charles Fenner III kid seems to be coming on well.

WNEC 54, Gordon 50.  Shaw was effectively nullified, but Daniel Minto is coming on strong with 20 to leas WNEC.  Gordon struggled shooting and committed a lot of fouls.

Salve 71, EC 64.  Birrell had 15, 10, and 6.  Callo had 19 and 15.  Salve's exquisite FT shooting won the day.

Nichols over Curry 80-78.  Sheehan went for 37!  Kuntz still not playing.  Jones went for 22 and 10.

ENC drops another close home game, to RWU 57-63.  Flanagan went for 17, Ezigbo went for 18.  Very even game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 28, 2012, 05:46:00 PM

Fun afternoon of CCC action:

Nichols over WNEC 77-69.  Sheehan had 19, four NC guys made double figures.  Shaw only had 13.

WIT crushes ENC 75-55.  Terriault had 28 on 11-14 shooting.  Ezeigbo had 19 and 7.

Salve over UNE 61-51. Four in double figures for SRU, although it doesn't appear they played all that hard.  Won the rebound battle and controlled the ball.

Curry wins at Gordon 61-53.

RWU over Endicott 76-69.  Flanagan had 23.  EC's bigs did keep him in check, even as they got into foul trouble.  Endicott lost, despite putting five guys in double figures; Callo and Makris both had double-doubles.  RWU really did well from the arc to seal the deal.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2012, 04:58:32 PM

Tonight:

ENC @ NC
EC @ WIT
WNEC @ SRU
UNE @ CC
RWU @ GC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2012, 11:12:25 AM

Nichols over ENC 101-90.  Typical NC high scoring, no defense game.  Max Barbosa had 23 to lead ENC; Ezeigbo had 21 and 10.  Nichols put six! guys in double figures, led by a 19 and 7 night from Langadas.  Kuntz was back, but played only 11 unproductive minutes.  This team is ready to surprise.  Maybe not this year, but mix in a little defense and they're scary and young.

WIT crushes Endicott 80-65.  Callo didn't play - do we have any word about injuries?  Henault took his place in the starting line-up and led the team with 17 points.  Dombrowski showed by for WIT with 18.  When Dombrowski plays well, Mayo disappears.  They've got to figure out a way to get both of those guys involved in the offense at the same time.

Salve squeaks by WNEC 70-66.  Birrell went for 23-10-6-6 and continues to solidify his POY status.  WNEC is indeed coming on - four guys in double figures.  If they can keep the turnovers down and sneak into that #8 seed, it could be a good first round match-up.

UNE goes on the road and takes out Curry.  Unpredictable game of the year so far - 73-61.  Charles Fenner III with 31 points!  Where did this kid come from?  Jones played only 24 minutes for Curry - that screams foul trouble.

RWU over Gordon 61-55.  Dempsey had 17 as Gordon drops its 7th in a row.  Flanagan went for 11 and 11.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2012, 11:13:12 AM

Thursday night games:

NC @ EC
WIT @ WNEC
SRU @ ENC
CC @ RWU
UNE @ GC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 01, 2012, 01:13:23 PM
It's too bad that EC didn't have Callo for the game, he is huge piece for them and does a lot more than just rebound and block shots (yes, pun intended). 

POY race seems to be a showdown between Birrell and Flanagan. They both have had monster years. If RWU or Salve wins the the regular season title than their best player will win POY. However, if neither team wins the league then the voting would be pretty interesting.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2012, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: uconn05 on February 01, 2012, 01:13:23 PM
It's too bad that EC didn't have Callo for the game, he is huge piece for them and does a lot more than just rebound and block shots (yes, pun intended). 

POY race seems to be a showdown between Birrell and Flanagan. They both have had monster years. If RWU or Salve wins the the regular season title than their best player will win POY. However, if neither team wins the league then the voting would be pretty interesting.

Flanagan has been isolated and stopped on occasion - his teams have also lost games when he's put up huge numbers.  Birrell rarely has an off night and they just don't lose when he's really on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on February 02, 2012, 09:42:34 PM
Solid win tonight for GC. I know it was just UNE, but a win is a win. Gets them back on the right track a win at ENC and EC would be huge.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2012, 08:31:01 AM

EC over Nichols 93-83.  Still no Callo, but Makris scored 27.  Kuntz got limited, unproductive minutes again and Sheehan was shut down (2-14 from the floor).

WIT over a surging WNEC 53-50.  Dombrowski and Mayo both in double digits - someone saw my recap of Tuesday's game.  Shaw went for 12 and 9.

ENC almost pulls a shocker, but once again can't close out a close game, losing at home to Salve 71-72.  Birrell was held to "only" 10,8, and 7, while William Smiley scored 31 to save SRU.  ENC put three guys in double figures, outrebounded Salve and shot 22-25 from the FT line.  Not sure they could have played any better.  Too bad about that one last point.

Curry over RWU 64-60.  Jones had 17, but AJ Stephens had 26 and 12 off the bench (in only 22 minutes) - what is it about Groundhog Day that brings out the best in no-name bench players?  Flanagan scored 15, but only managed 3 rebounds.

Gordon avoids a double-digit losing streak by crushing UNE 77-45.  The miracle that was Charles Fenner III came to an end.  No one hit double figures; the highest scorers for UNE were the guys at the end of the bench in garbage time.  Dempsey had 14, but GC's bench did a lot of the scoring load as well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2012, 08:32:23 AM

Saturday's slate:

WIT @ NC
SRU @ CC
GC @ ENC
WNEC @ EC
RWU @ UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2012, 02:36:57 PM

Wentworth takes care of Nichols 92-84.  Wentworth put six guys in double figures, led by 19 from Colin Johnson off the bench.  They're getting to the FT line a lot, shooting threes well and improving shot selection.  Wentworth is really coming on here late in the season.  Sheehan had 9 points and 7 steals, but only took 8 shots (very unusual).  Marlon Bennett led the team with 20 off the bench.  Kuntz played 24 minutes and began to contribute.  He may be back to full strength by playoff time.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2012, 04:37:50 PM

ENC goes down to Gordon 58-74.  This one was close the whole game, until a barrage of threes with two minutes to go closed the door.  Dempsey went for 19 and 10.  ENC had a better team effort, but they just can't seem to put it together at the end of games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2012, 04:53:49 PM

Down goes Salve.  Sedale Jones puts on a masterful performance as Curry beats the conference leaders 80-73.  Salve had a lot of trouble with CC's physicality, getting in a ton of foul trouble.  Birrell had 16 and 8, but SRU hung tough due to 5-13 three point shooting from Pringle.  Jones managed 32 points and 8 rebounds (12-12 from the FT line)

Menwhile UNE over Roger Williams 60-48.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2012, 04:56:56 PM

WNEC takes out Endicott at EC 83-74.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2012, 07:28:36 AM

ENC @ Endicott tonight, making up a previously postponed game.

WNEC travels to Springfield for no apparent reason.  I mean, yes, for a basketball game, but why you'd schedule Springfield in the middle of a pretty tight conference schedule is just a little hard to define.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: pjunito on February 07, 2012, 08:48:39 AM
Regional Rankings will be interesting as well; first one comes out this Wednesday. The teams that play the best in February usually make big runs in Conference Tournaments and beyond... Are there any teams that might be off the radar right know that anyone thinks might have a run left in their respective conferences?

In the GNAC, I think Johnson and Wales could be dangerous. They have a great scorer in Lamont Thomas; they won the conference last year and have the ability to shoot the 3 ball very well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2012, 09:48:03 AM

Endicott over ENC 89-83.  Chima went for 29 and 11.  Still no Callo for EC, but Markis and Maghee picked up the slack.  EC's defense seems to be suffering without Callo, either that or they're speeding up the pace of play without him.  A lot of scoring last night - and a score that was much closer than I expected.

WNEC goes down to Springfield 70-85.  Shaw had 21 on 5-6 from deep.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2012, 03:13:42 PM

No recaps this week.  I've been out of the time zone.  But we are down to just two conference game remaining.  Here's what we've got:

ENC has been mathematically eliminated.  Salve, WIT, EC, and Nichols are definitely in.  Placements to be determined.

I'll have the match-ups/break downs and tiebreaker scenarios after games on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2012, 10:25:36 AM

Tuesday's penultimate conference matchups:

RWU @ WNEC
NC @ SRU
WIT @ GC
ENC @ CC
UNE @ EC

A Salve win secures them a #1 spot (two up with two to go).
A win for WIT secures them #2.

Again, this is assuming all the tiebreakers are the same.  The "new" conference website doesn't have them listed anywhere I can find.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2012, 11:15:51 AM

I got confirmation of the tiebreakers, so I'll be ready to post the possible outcomes after the games this evening.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 14, 2012, 11:43:10 AM
TCCC  History Post

Was looking at the past year's standings on the CCC page and decided to throw this together for your enjoyment, maybe only Hoops Fan will remember any of this. From the 2005-2006 season to the present, all members that have been in the league for those years have played 100 league games. I've thrown WNEC in because they are still in the league, I have omitted Colby-Sawyer, Regis, NEC and Anna Maria as they are no longer in the league.


Regular Season CCC Records Since 05-06
1. Gordon 72-28 (.720)  (7/7 playoff births, 1 title)
2. Endicott 62-38 (.620) (6/7 playoff births, 1 title)
3. Roger Williams 61-39 (.610) (6/7 playoff births, 0 titles)
4. Wentworth 60-40 (.600) (7/7 playoff births, 1 title)
5. Curry 58-42 (.580) (5/7 playoff births, 1 title)
6. Salve Regina 54-46 (.540) (5/7 playoff births, 1 title)
7. Nichols 49-51 (.490) (5/7 playoff births, 0 titles)
8. UNE 46-54 (.460) (3 or 4/7 playoff births, 1 title)
9. WNEU 31-37 (.456) (3 or 4 out of a possible 5 playoff births, 0 titles)
10. ENC 23/77 (.230) (0/7 playoff births, 0 titles)

So what does this all tell us?

There have been no repeat champions in the last 6 years.

Only WIT and Gordon have made the playoffs every year.

Only ENC has not made the playoffs in that time.

ENC is interesting they have had 3 coaches over that time, haven't won more than 5 league games in a season (although that was in a 13 game year) and show no signs of repairing this situation.

Gordon is basically the Atlanta Braves, regular season dominance with very little post season return.

RWU has the best record without a title.

5 out of 10 teams have had the same coach this entire time period (RWU, WIT, NC, SRU, CC)

Player Of The Year:

2005-2006 Andrew St Clair Colby-Sawyer
2006-2007 Sherrad Prezzie-Blue Wentworth
2007-2008 Geoff Barranger Roger Williams
2008-2009 Todd Doyle Wentworth
2009-2010 Aaron Trigg Gordon
2010-2011 Anthony Click AMC
I would imagine this year would be Birrell


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2012, 12:08:00 PM

Yeah, these past seven years or so have been interesting.  I started following the league in 1999.  Back then I'd say a majority of the schools didn't consider athletics a focal point.  They were fielding competitive teams, but there was a divide between those schools with a focus on athletic success and those who sponsored athletics to round out an education.

I think, in general, the schools in the CCC have embraced both ideals more thoroughly over the past decade.  You don't see the same kind of open athletic recruiting in spite of academic performance that was once the norm at the top of the standings.  You also see most teams making real and concerted efforts at recruiting and aggressive staffing.

Perhaps you could say that the CCC has entered the main stream of college basketball.  People actually, once in a while, try to poach our coaches.

As for ENC, it's been a tough stretch.  My time as a student started with former players as head coach, followed by a string of guys who were angling for other jobs from day one (and often hindered the long term success of the program for short term gains) to simple incompetence.

I've gotten to talk with Coach Aller a bit.  He's a real coach, who seems committed to making as much of a difference as he can at ENC, but there's very little to work with.  He inherited what was, at the time, the absolute worst team in d3, with a rather lengthy history of losing.  That makes it a bit difficult to recruit well.

When I was a student, the basketball team was well integrated into the student body - that doesn't seem to have been the case over the past five years or so (with a few notable exceptions).

At this point I believe that ENC is the smallest, poorest school in the conference - which is also going to be a problem for recruiting.  I continue to support the program and wish it the best, but it's a tough uphill climb from here.  They'll be losing much of the nucleus of the current team next season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2012, 08:40:38 PM

Curry beats ENC barely 72-68.  Jones had 24 in the win.  Ezeigbo was in foul trouble, finished with 12 points in 18 minutes.  Mike McCoy had 20 to lead ENC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2012, 09:53:21 PM

WNEC missed out on a much needed home win, losing to RWU 58-60.  Shaw had 15.  Flanagan managed only 9 and 11.  Henry and Palumbo had 13 a piece.

Salve over Nichols 85-72.  Sheehan had 21, but all five Salve starters got into double figures and ran away with the game.

EC big over UNE 68-57.  Fenner had 21 for UNE.  Callo looked strong, going for 17 and 12.  I think he's locked up a first team, all-conference spot.  Henault added 16.

Gordon with a huge win over Wentworth 80-57.  WIT played lots of bench guys because most of the starters couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.  Therriault had 16 and 7; Dombrowski had 12.  Gordon was led by 18 from Park Thomas; Dempsey had 12.  I'm guessing it was senior night since a lot of guys i've never heard of started.  GC shot 60% from the floor.  That's a recipe for a win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2012, 10:01:15 PM

So, Saturday:

GC @ NC
SRU @ RWU
CC @ WIT
EC @ ENC
WNEC @ UNE

Salve has the #1 seed.

WIT and EC are tied for second at 11-6, WIT has the tiebreaker.  They will be #2 and #3 in some order.

NC, CC, and RWU are all 9-8; we'll get into scenarios here later on.

Gordon is sitting at 8-9 - they could get into the mix with the other three under the right circumstances.

WNEC and UNE play each other - winner gets the #8 spot (WNEC wins the tiebreaker).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2012, 10:18:21 PM

Possibilities for seeds 4-7:

NC at 10-8, RWU and CC at 9-9, GC at 8-10.  Curry gets the #5.

NC and RWU @ 10-8, CC at 9-9, GC at 8-10.  RWU gets the #4.

NC and CC at 10-8, RWU at 9-9, GC at 8-10.  Curry gets the #4.

NC, CC, and RWU at 10-8, GC at 8-10.  Curry gets the #4, RWU gets the #5, Nichols gets the #6.

RWU at 10-8, NC, CC, and GC at 9-9.  Curry gets the #5, (if WIT is #2, Gordon gets the #6, if EC is #2, Nichols gets the #6).

CC at 10-8, NC, RWU, and GC at 9-9.  RWU gets the #5, (if WIT is #2, Gordon gets the #6, if EC is #2, Nichols gets the #6).

CC and RWU at 10-8, GC and NC at 9-9.  Curry gets the #4, (if WIT is #2, Gordon gets the #6, if EC is #2, Nichols gets the #6).

CC, RWU, NC, and GC are tied at 9-9.  Curry gets the #4, RWU gets the #5, (if WIT is #2, Gordon gets the #6, if EC is #2, Nichols gets the #6).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 15, 2012, 02:47:20 AM
Hey hoops fan, you know any reason why Wentworth & Southern Maine scheduled a game against each other 2 days before the regular season ends and when each team only has 1 conference game left??  Makes absolutely no sense to me why they'd schedule that game for when they did.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on February 15, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
Gordon had a strong showing last night. Not to be a homer but they have all the weapons they need and they lost a lot of games by only a few points after having big leads. They have a chance to beat anyone. Should be a great playoffs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2012, 09:51:38 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 15, 2012, 02:47:20 AM
Hey hoops fan, you know any reason why Wentworth & Southern Maine scheduled a game against each other 2 days before the regular season ends and when each team only has 1 conference game left??  Makes absolutely no sense to me why they'd schedule that game for when they did.

I mentioned that earlier in the year.  I think, perhaps, some of the teams had trouble adjusting to the changed schedule when the league suddenly reformed last spring.  That's my only thought - they needed one more game and this is when someone was able to fit it in.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 15, 2012, 10:42:11 AM
After all that we have seen this year, I wouldn't be surprised if any of the top seven teams wins the conference tourney. The top seeds, of course, all have a legitimate shot. And the bottom teams have their own reasons for optimism. NC has had a good three weeks, even leading by double digits in several losses. RWU has beaten SRU, EC, and WIT. GC has one of the top frontlines in the league and their guards can shoot.

Should be a fun week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 03:44:09 PM

Gordon and Nichols are neck and neck with three minutes to go.  Sheehan and Dempsey are pacing each side.  Nichols has only 8 turnovers, but their typically poor fg defense is keeping Gordon in it.  Should be a good one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 03:51:42 PM

Park Thomas fouled out with two minutes to go and Langedas hit a few clutch buckets.  Nichols by 4 with 23 seconds remaining.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 03:59:41 PM

Gordon was up by as much as 14, but it came down to a battle in the final seconds.  Nichols hit enough FTs to win, 77-73.  Sheehan and Dempsey each had 28.

Salve has the #1 seed and Gordon has the #7 seed.  The rest to be determined over the next hour.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 04:02:51 PM
Salve is crushing Roger Williams at the half, 38-19.  Isaiah Pringle is already 5-8 from deep (he's single handedly outscored the RWU team 21-19 in that half).

WIT is up 9 on Curry right near haltime and WNEC is ahead of UNE 24-14 at the half.

Endicott leads ENC by 11 with 11 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 04:33:13 PM

Endicott over ENC, they finish at 12-6, but are still waiting on WIT to know their seed (either #2 or #3).

Salve is up 25, WIT up 12, and WNEC up 10, all with ten minutes or less to go.  We'll have playoff matchups soon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 04:39:57 PM

Salve wins easily by 16 over RWU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
WNEC outlastss UNE and takes the #8 seed on a tiebreaker.

So far:

Salve #1
RWU #6
Gordon #7
WNEC #8
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 04:52:59 PM

Wentworth is up 20 now with under three minutes to play.  If this one plays out like it is, then we've got:

1 - Salve
2 - WIT
3 - Endicott
4 - Nichols
5 - Curry
6 - RWU
7 - Gordon
8 - WNEC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2012, 05:05:09 PM

#8 WNEC @ #1 Salve - SRU is 2-0 against WNEC, but the last victory was by just four points.  I don't think Salve will get caught napping again.

#7 Gordon @ #2 WIT - These two teams have become pretty intense rivals of late.  They split the season series with Gordon losing by 1 at WIT and then crushing them at home more recently.  The teams are comprised very similarly and tend to rely on the three.  GC has a better inside presence.  I'd give Gordon the betting odds on this one, but a good shooting night from WIT wraps up the win.

#6 RWU @ #3 Endicott - Roger Williams' best advantage is the big man in the middle, Pat Flanagan.  Unfortunately the team most capable of shutting him down is EC, with a plethora of big bodies to throw at him.  That being said, they did split during the regular season: each team winning at home.  RWU's win came with a fantastic shooting night and a large FT disparity.  They know what to do, but he odds of them putting such a game together are long.

#5 Curry @ #4 Nichols - Two really up and down squads, each with a strong scorer and streaky second bananas.  Neither team is too fond of defense and both like to crash the boards with the guards.  The teams split during the regular season, but NC won at Curry most recently - Sheehan went for 37 in that game.  A couple of wildcards in this one - the status of NC's Justin Kuntz.  He had some injury issues late in the season and has not yet been back on form.  Also, I think Curry has the speed and quickness to shut down Sheehan.  If CC doesn't focus on defense, I don't think they can score with this talented offensive Nichols team.

Four very interesting games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 20, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
When does David Dempsey get named League Player of the Year....oh that's right
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 20, 2012, 11:54:57 AM
One thing is for sure - Coach of the Year goes to Sean Foster of Salve. They had the best record and did it with average talent. Combine his team's success with the growth of Birrell, sure to be the pick for POY, and there isn't even a contest over who deserves this award. When Birrell was a freshman he was attended Endicott and was cut during try-outs. Now he is the player of the year. He deserves all the credit in the world for his success - as does coach Foster.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 20, 2012, 03:07:57 PM
uconn05, was Birrell actually "cut" from Endicott?  Or did he simply choose to not play?  I only ask because he played in a summer league prior to leaving for Endicott which was comprised of some division I players, several division II players, and very good division III players from the area (southeast NE), and he played very well.  If he was truly cut, that is a remarkable story.  The 07-08 season was notoriously filled with overrecruiting in the CCC (hence, down the road, Gordon's 20 member squad starting that season was unethically trimmed by the coaching staff, rumor has it), so it wouldn't suprise me if Chris Millette turned him down, even though that freshman class had no long-term contributors with the exception of Chris Galbraith.  There is no question Birrell deserves POY.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 20, 2012, 03:24:34 PM
He was cut. EC brought in a lot of kids that year, it wasn't as if he was one of only 5 frosh trying out, but it is remarkable that he went from cut to [possibly] POY.

EC had three first year pg's the year that Birrell was a freshman (this is his fifth year of college) to go along with returners Graham Whitelaw and Todd Burton:

Bobby Montrond (transferred in from NEC)
Mike Rhodes
Ben Ford

They also started the year with 15 guys on the roster - but didn't finish with 15.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 20, 2012, 03:59:46 PM
Interesting.  I noticed the exact same thing about the overabundancy of point guard's Endicott had on their roster that season (07-08).  That clearly had something to do it.  I found an article on Birrell from the Newport newspaper (link attached below).  In response to his decision to attend Salve, Birrell states "I went to Endicott for a year and didn't play or anything and transferred."  He doesn't make any mention of being cut, so I still have doubts that he was, especially considering his talent out of high school.  But I'll give you better end of the argument since you insist and seem to know about it.

http://www.newportri.com/features/sports/family-court/article_bf0a64aa-42bb-11e1-a5d3-0019bb2963f4.html
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on February 20, 2012, 09:00:29 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 20, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
When does David Dempsey get named League Player of the Year....oh that's right

CCC talk, would you not say he is in the top 5 in the league?? Your a fool if you don't think he is in the top 5.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on February 20, 2012, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 20, 2012, 03:07:57 PM
uconn05, was Birrell actually "cut" from Endicott?  Or did he simply choose to not play?  I only ask because he played in a summer league prior to leaving for Endicott which was comprised of some division I players, several division II players, and very good division III players from the area (southeast NE), and he played very well.  If he was truly cut, that is a remarkable story.  The 07-08 season was notoriously filled with overrecruiting in the CCC (hence, down the road, Gordon's 20 member squad starting that season was unethically trimmed by the coaching staff, rumor has it), so it wouldn't suprise me if Chris Millette turned him down, even though that freshman class had no long-term contributors with the exception of Chris Galbraith.  There is no question Birrell deserves POY.

Do tell about this unethically cutting of the squad??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 20, 2012, 10:23:50 PM
If we're drafting up teams I'd take him if I was taking a full roster of 10 or so. Top 5 possibly. He's still not the player of the year, despite your pumping him for it every year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 08:53:58 AM
Quote from: Gordonhoops123 on February 20, 2012, 09:00:29 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 20, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
When does David Dempsey get named League Player of the Year....oh that's right

CCC talk, would you not say he is in the top 5 in the league?? Your a fool if you don't think he is in the top 5.

I don't know that he's definitely in the top 5 - certainly a case could be made and he's in the top 10 pretty solidly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 21, 2012, 09:10:16 AM
Dempsey's stats aren't overwhelming but when you watch him play he certainly passes the eye test. He is very difficult to match-up with because of his size, craftyness around the basket, and versatility. Often times All-Conference selections can be based heavily on stats and in those instances a player like Dempsey is affected. His team doesn't play at the pace of EC, Nichols, etc. so he doesn't have the opportunity to score as often because there are fewer possesions in the game. Just my opinion.

My Top 5 + 1Ryan Birrell
Erik Callo
Lance Greene
Sedale Jones
Pat Flanagan
David Dempsey
Andre Shaw

Sheehan misses out because of his defense and his shooting percentages.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 21, 2012, 10:37:26 AM
If we were taking a team to actually play a game and not a fantasy basketball team I'd go with:

Birrell
Jones
Therriualt
Makris
Ezigbo

off the bench:
Dempsey
Papalambros
Flanigan
Callo
Shaw


I'd stay away from Greene and Sheehan because they don't guard anyone now if we were doing the "fantasy basketball approach I'd put them on and remove Papalambros and Therriault
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 11:25:35 AM

In this most recent game, Dempsey and Sheehan both put their teams on their backs and really stepped up.  It said a lot, to me, about both of these guys.  That puts them both on the top tier, in my opinion.

The next step, obviously, is doing this consistently.  Neither one has shown enough consistency to me.

Birrell, Callo, and Jones, to me, have proven the consistency all year.  I think Ezeigbo, if he didn't have this injury to deal with, would have been right up there - he's just not physically able to do as much as he once was.  I think the injury has put him on par with guys like Sheehan, Dempsey, Shaw, Flanagan, etc.

Therriault is a fantastic role player - versatile, athletic, smart.  He's an all-star stater if you want to win a game.  Individually maybe not among the best, but a guy you want on your team.  He's the answer to the big mystery of how WIT finished #2 this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 21, 2012, 11:47:21 AM
All-CCC teams/awards announced:

http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/news/2012/2/20/allcccmbb12.aspx
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 21, 2012, 12:08:53 PM
A reminder, someone needs to be nominated by their coach in order to receive votes for the All-Conference team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 01:08:28 PM

Callo nowhere to be seen - is that perhaps because of the time he missed?

I really can't argue with any of the selections.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 21, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
Callo's time away may not have been injury related. May not have been nominted for all-conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 02:27:29 PM

Interesting - the first team is the top five scorers in league games and Greene.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 21, 2012, 07:50:25 PM
kudos to birrell, any one know last time someone got POY and DPOY?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 21, 2012, 07:51:37 PM
Also 26-20 at half for WIT vs. Gordon, looks like dempsey is the only one playing for gordon. WIT is spreading it around pretty well!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 08:38:00 PM

Gordon and WIT in overtime.  Time to test their collective famed sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 08:44:36 PM

WIT is up 4 and shooting FTs with under a minute to go.  Dempsey really screwed up two possessions they needed.

I haven't got to watch a lot of CCC games this season, but if this is indicative of anything, the play in the conference has gone downhill over the last couple years.  This is bad basketball.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 08:46:43 PM

Just for the record, from the perspective of the camera, the foul on GC that sent WIT to the line to tie the game in regulation was a weak call.  A justifiable call, but not one you like to see at this juncture of a playoff game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 08:49:21 PM

Nichols whoops Curry and they didn't even need Kuntz to play well.  Jones went for 31 and 13, Papalambros scored 35, but it wasn't enough.  Sheehan scored 34 on 7-9 3pt shooting (he didn't take that dig on his shooting percentage lightly).  Langadas contributed 24.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 08:52:10 PM

No one wants to win this game.  WIT fouls GC on a three while ahead, then GC misses FTs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 08:54:31 PM

WIT pulls it out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 21, 2012, 08:55:12 PM
M-V-P.....M-V-P.....

Have a nice offseason scots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on February 21, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
You can't tell me that after watching that game David Dempsey will not be the POY next year. He single handedly carried the scots on his back...and next years team is going to be a force with a year of maturity under their belts. Great game for Wentworth and great game for the Scots
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 21, 2012, 08:55:12 PM
M-V-P.....M-V-P.....

Have a nice offseason scots.

Hey, there's no shame in being the Patrick Ewing of the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 09:10:14 PM

Now watching the EC-RWU game.  There's no way this should even be close.  Gulls need some defense.  Wow.  No wonder WIT had such a good conference record, a little D goes a long way.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 09:23:49 PM

Salve is shooting terribly... still up by 10.  It seems their ability to win in the tournament will be entirely dependent upon Pringle hitting threes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 21, 2012, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 21, 2012, 08:46:43 PM

Just for the record, from the perspective of the camera, the foul on GC that sent WIT to the line to tie the game in regulation was a weak call.  A justifiable call, but not one you like to see at this juncture of a playoff game.

That call was deplorable.  Park Thomas might have breathed on him; don't even think the skin on his hand made actual contact with Adam Dombrowski.  With 18 seconds left in a 2 point playoff game there is absolutely no reason a ref should call a "hand check" 30 feet away from the basket, especially when there's not even any contact.  Can't blame a loss on the officiating but honestly, that was shameful.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: high flyer 21 on February 21, 2012, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 21, 2012, 08:46:43 PM

Just for the record, from the perspective of the camera, the foul on GC that sent WIT to the line to tie the game in regulation was a weak call.  A justifiable call, but not one you like to see at this juncture of a playoff game.

That call was deplorable.  Park Thomas might have breathed on him; don't even think the skin on his hand made actual contact with Adam Dombrowski.  With 18 seconds left in a 2 point playoff game there is absolutely no reason a ref should call a "hand check" 30 feet away from the basket, especially when there's not even any contact.  Can't blame a loss on the officiating but honestly, that was shameful.

I won't say shameful.  I've seen worse calls already tonight.  There was pretty clear contact - I would have deemed it more from the ballhandler than the defender and let them play.  It wasn't a great call, but, as I said, it was a foul, just not one that should have been called at that moment in the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 09:33:18 PM

I see the EC fans are as crude and objectionable as ever... good to know some things never change.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2012, 09:39:12 PM

Looks like all the home teams are holding serve tonight.

#4 Nichols @ #1 Salve - If Salve doesn't shoot better than they did tonight, they won't win this game.  Sheehan has taken the team on his back two games in a row, now.  Obviously defense is their achilles' heel, but they've rarely been stronger scoring.  Pringle's going to have to be hitting.

#3 Endicott @ #2 Wentworth - Just a great matchup.  Size and speed against defense and shot-selection.

I like Thursday's line-up!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 21, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: Gordonhoops123 on February 21, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
You can't tell me that after watching that game David Dempsey will not be the POY next year. He single handedly carried the scots on his back...and next years team is going to be a force with a year of maturity under their belts. Great game for Wentworth and great game for the Scots

An MVP can take the ball to the hoop with a 6 foot FRESHMAN guard on him and score when he needs to...TWICE down the stretch
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WITball on February 22, 2012, 07:47:50 AM
So because dempsey didnt gett POY this year we are already making predictions he will get it next year???....here comes the excuses from the gordon fans. Blaming the refs, ill agree that ive never been a fan of refs but i have never blamed a loss on them regardless of how bad they have been in the ccc.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 22, 2012, 08:11:30 AM
Please stop with the Dempsey POY predictions. Nobody on this board has disrepected his ability. However, just because he is good player doesn't mean that he will automatically get the award (I can't believe we have to explain this to you). Take one look at the All-CCC team - not many seniors on that list. It is conveivable that anyone returning from the first or second team could with POY. In the end, the best predictor of individual accolades is team success. The POY almost always comes from one of, if not the, top team in the league. If Gordon is in the Top 3 next year, Dempsey will get some votes. If they aren't, he will have to be one of the best players in New England to win it. Period.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 22, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 03, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Hope the offseason has treated everyone well! Most of the league now has their rosters up and I've been able to do some digging with my ccc sources. I think this may be the weakest the league has been in a decade.

Without further ado. My picks.

10. UNE they sold their soul a few years ago and won the league with a lot of guys who were not there very long. Still feeling the effects. Fenner should be able to score some points but the Easters will be hurting.

9. WNEU They are now a university. That might be the highlight of the year. They don't bring back much and don't bring in much.

8.Nichols Ryan Sheehan returns from a pretty awful team. If they can get some contributions from newcomers they could make some noise.

7. Eastern Naz Ezigbo is healthy and Barbosa and Johnson are now very experienced, however John Flakes is not listed on the roster. If this is an eligibility situation and he returns at the break look for enc to move up.

6. Gordon No team will benefit from the smaller league more. They lost a solid inside scorer in Walker but return one in Dempsey. They also brought in some well regarded freshman. However their guard play was very bad last year and looks to be the same cast of characters this year.

5. RWU They return their big front line and a few shooters. Always something of a middle of the pack team. If they can get some solid perimeter scoring they could be ok.

4.Salve Regina The champs return Birrell and a lot of guys who won it last year in supporting roles. The loss of Hinkson and to a lesser degree Royce will hurt them. Sean Foster always has his guys playing hard.

3. Wentworth they lost the big man which will hurt them. They return all of their perimeter scoring and add a well regarded freshman from ct. Should be tough.

2. Curry last years they were picked to win the league and were hurt by injuries and personality issues. They have a lot of talent and some solid newcomers look for them to bounce back big.

1. Endicott should take a big step forward this year. Green should be the best player in the league. They didn't lose anyone and they brought in 3 big time recruits. I got the gulls.


Not a great year for the kid, I had 1 of the 2 teams out of the playoffs that were out:

I overestimated: Endicott, Curry, RWU, Gordon, ENC

I underestimated: WIT, Salve, Nichols, WNEU,
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on February 22, 2012, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: WITball on February 22, 2012, 07:47:50 AM
So because dempsey didnt gett POY this year we are already making predictions he will get it next year???....here comes the excuses from the gordon fans. Blaming the refs, ill agree that ive never been a fan of refs but i have never blamed a loss on them regardless of how bad they have been in the ccc.

Who is blaming the refs? Gordon had plenty of opportunities to put that game away, no one is blaming the refs. And yes Dempsey POY in 2013, last time I will say it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 22, 2012, 09:10:54 AM
I think he was referring to high flying 21's post.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2012, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 22, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 03, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Hope the offseason has treated everyone well! Most of the league now has their rosters up and I've been able to do some digging with my ccc sources. I think this may be the weakest the league has been in a decade.

Without further ado. My picks.

10. UNE they sold their soul a few years ago and won the league with a lot of guys who were not there very long. Still feeling the effects. Fenner should be able to score some points but the Easters will be hurting.

9. WNEU They are now a university. That might be the highlight of the year. They don't bring back much and don't bring in much.

8.Nichols Ryan Sheehan returns from a pretty awful team. If they can get some contributions from newcomers they could make some noise.

7. Eastern Naz Ezigbo is healthy and Barbosa and Johnson are now very experienced, however John Flakes is not listed on the roster. If this is an eligibility situation and he returns at the break look for enc to move up.

6. Gordon No team will benefit from the smaller league more. They lost a solid inside scorer in Walker but return one in Dempsey. They also brought in some well regarded freshman. However their guard play was very bad last year and looks to be the same cast of characters this year.

5. RWU They return their big front line and a few shooters. Always something of a middle of the pack team. If they can get some solid perimeter scoring they could be ok.

4.Salve Regina The champs return Birrell and a lot of guys who won it last year in supporting roles. The loss of Hinkson and to a lesser degree Royce will hurt them. Sean Foster always has his guys playing hard.

3. Wentworth they lost the big man which will hurt them. They return all of their perimeter scoring and add a well regarded freshman from ct. Should be tough.

2. Curry last years they were picked to win the league and were hurt by injuries and personality issues. They have a lot of talent and some solid newcomers look for them to bounce back big.

1. Endicott should take a big step forward this year. Green should be the best player in the league. They didn't lose anyone and they brought in 3 big time recruits. I got the gulls.


Not a great year for the kid, I had 1 of the 2 teams out of the playoffs that were out:

I overestimated: Endicott, Curry, RWU, Gordon, ENC

I underestimated: WIT, Salve, Nichols, WNEU,

Not bad.  I don't think anyone expected Nichols' freshmen to contribute so much - and I'm not sure anyone anticipated Ezeigbo being as hobbled as he was - I didn't even know the extent of the injury until this past October.  Other than that, it was a good list - EC has the most talent, they just refuse to play defense or take care of the ball.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 22, 2012, 10:38:31 AM
Actually if you read my post it said "Can't blame a loss on the refs" regardless that the call was bad.  Secondly, as much of a Gordon fan as I am, the Dempsey POY thing shouldn't have been posted all over the place UNTIL maybe next season.  tcccfan2010 / gogordonhoops123 said Dempsey would get it last year as a sophomore when he ended up third-team.  This year he was a first-team selection, well-deservedly, but definately wasn't the POY.  Next year, he has about a 25% chance in my opinion.  Sheehan is the most likely candidate, and Lance Greene or Sedale Jones have a chance to steal it away as well.  Gordon's record will play a huge part.  Winning 11 games or 9 games in a season will not do the trick.  Dempsey showed how great of a player he can be last night (his two career highs 32 and 33 have both been in the TCCC tournament), but Gordon really needs to be a winning team next year for him to be POY.

That being said, Gordon and Dempsey's season is over so let's keep the conversation on the remainder of this tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2012, 08:18:44 PM

Nichols scored 60! points in the second half to nearly pull the big upset, falling just short 80-81.  Salve hit the rebounds hard, but neither Birrell or Sheehan had a great game (good, not great).

Salve will host the championship game Saturday.  WIT and EC are in a tight one right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2012, 08:21:55 PM

Therriault is really putting the team on his back and Lance Green is answering.  WIT by 5 with 5 to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2012, 08:32:19 PM

EC up 2 with 2 to play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2012, 08:39:42 PM

Endicott at Salve

Given the past two games, I have to think EC is he favorite in this one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
Anthony Click just hit a clutch shot to give AMC an upset win. Even former ccc teams are representing tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on February 24, 2012, 10:36:36 AM
I'm not going to hazard a guess as to who will win this game (pun intended) but I will say that this is sure to be a very entertaining game. The final score could be in the 80's as long as neither team is to anxious/nervous to start the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2012, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: uconn05 on February 24, 2012, 10:36:36 AM
I'm not going to hazard a guess as to who will win this game (pun intended) but I will say that this is sure to be a very entertaining game. The final score could be in the 80's as long as neither team is to anxious/nervous to start the game.

I think the winning score is going to have to be over 75 for EC to win, right?  They've yet to show they keep another team from scoring.  Unless Salve just has a terrible shooting night, Endicott is going to have to run and score to win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2012, 07:16:17 PM

EC has the game in hand for the moment.  Henault is shooting out of his mind, but a number of EC players are doing well.  Birrell is really the only Salve player able to get his own offense going.  Endicott is really playing well.  Something has finally clicked with this group - they're even playing mediocre defense.  Up 14 with 8 minutes to go.  They'd be up 25 if they could play defense.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2012, 07:24:17 PM

This Salve team is the most technically proficient CCC team I've ever seen.  That just isn't going to overcome Endicott's superior talent tonight.


EC by 20 with 5 to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 25, 2012, 07:55:20 PM
Congrats to Endicott, a crazy year in the league.

Not to backhanded compliment them, but can anyone remember a weaker CCC top to bottom? I mean this EC team would get absolutely rocked by any of the recent champs
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Gordonhoops123 on February 25, 2012, 08:00:18 PM
Congrats EC on the win. Good luck in the NCAA Tourney.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2012, 04:25:14 PM

EC's got the bodies and the talent to win a tourney game - they just have to improve that defense.  We saw a glimpse of potential in the championship game, but their opponent is absolutely going to be better than Salve.

I think they're likely to represent well.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2012, 05:58:50 PM
Back in the 2008-09 season, a bunch of Texans helped lead UNE to the NCAA's.

One of those players was Anthony Johnson from Austin TX.

Anthony transferred to McMurry and has played on the 2010-11 and 11-12 ASC championship teams.

He played an outstanding 2012 ASC semi-final game against UMHB's outstanding senior guard, Marlon Miller, and then gave the best effort he could against HSU's pre-season All-American Matt Addison.  Johnson's defense has been key to McMurry's success.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on February 27, 2012, 05:21:17 PM
Endicott will be playing Oswego State in the first round of the NCAA tournament in Oswego, New York.  Oswego State is the SUNYAC champ and is currently ranked #14 in the country with a 25-3 record.  One of those losses came to Division I UT-Pan American who Wentworth also played this year.

The two teams in the immediate bracket are Eastern Connecticut and Medaille, another New York college out of Buffalo.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2012, 05:40:52 PM

Endicott is going to get crushed.  Oswego matches up better at nearly every position.  Bad draw for EC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on February 28, 2012, 08:11:18 PM
According to this, Coach Mulligan has resigned at UNE. Does anyone else have any info? 

http://hoopdirt.com/blog/b560f9d1/daily-dirt-2-28-12/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2012, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: NJBalla35 on February 28, 2012, 08:11:18 PM
According to this, Coach Mulligan has resigned at UNE. Does anyone else have any info? 

http://hoopdirt.com/blog/b560f9d1/daily-dirt-2-28-12/

No one hears anything from UNE.  It makes sense, though, he'll likely move on to be recruiting coordinator somewhere.  He got a half dozen dudes from Texas to pay to go to school in Maine for a year, just for the chance to lose a first round game in the d3 national tournament.  That's good recruiting!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 02, 2012, 08:47:35 PM
Endicott is up on Oswego State 37-33 at the half!  Karkow hit 3 threes. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 02, 2012, 09:20:14 PM
Endicott up 62-56 with five minutes to go.  They were up by 13 at one point in the second half but Oswego is gaining a lot of momentum.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 02, 2012, 09:27:39 PM
Endicott up just two points, 66-64, with 1:30 to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 02, 2012, 09:31:14 PM
Oswego has the ball with 11 seconds left, tie game 66-66.  Timeout.  Endicott has thrown nearly everything away.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 02, 2012, 09:38:21 PM
Overtime.  WHAT A CRAZY GAME!  Chris Ward from Oswego was fouled shooting with no time officially left on the clock.  An Endicott fan went ballistic on the refs and got tossed.  Ward missed BOTH free throws.  WOW.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: pjunito on March 02, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
Did they miss both free throws?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 02, 2012, 09:41:35 PM
Yup, Greene just fouled out on an offensive foul call.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: pjunito on March 02, 2012, 09:42:37 PM
WOW!!! Crazy stuff... thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: high flyer 21 on March 02, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
All-American Burridge dunks it with 3 seconds left.  Oswego wins 72-71.  I have never seen a team fall apart as bad as Endicott did tonight.  Throughout the last 5 minutes of the second half and throughout overtime, they looked scared, couldn't catch routine passes, and couldn't make routine passes.  At one point the ball was literally passed to Phil Rowe from the top of the key without a Gull anywhere in sight.  It was cool to see Endicott with a 14 point lead halfway through the second half, but it almost seems like it would have been easier to swallow for them to lose by 30 then throw EVERYTHING away like that.  Great game and good heart from Endicott but very hard loss.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: pjunito on March 02, 2012, 09:51:11 PM
Becker is up 16 with 2 mins left at William Patterson!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2012, 10:38:50 PM

EC went out strong tonight.  Obviously the pressure got to them in the end, but it was an admirable performance against a strong opponent.  Callo had a great game to end his career.

EC is losing just three seniors from this team and only two who get big minutes.  They'll be quite strong next season and have some pressure playoff experience under their belts.

Until next year, my friends...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3Fan4255 on March 03, 2012, 10:28:50 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 27, 2012, 05:40:52 PM

Endicott is going to get crushed.  Oswego matches up better at nearly every position.  Bad draw for EC.

So much for that idea.  Great effort by a team that everyone thought would get crushed.  Showed their youth in their defeat, but have to commend the Gulls for the way they played last night, and at the end of the year when it looked like they were dead in the water.  Can't wait to see them back on the court next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: D3Fan4255 on March 03, 2012, 10:28:50 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 27, 2012, 05:40:52 PM

Endicott is going to get crushed.  Oswego matches up better at nearly every position.  Bad draw for EC.

So much for that idea.  Great effort by a team that everyone thought would get crushed.  Showed their youth in their defeat, but have to commend the Gulls for the way they played last night, and at the end of the year when it looked like they were dead in the water.  Can't wait to see them back on the court next year.

EC made huge leaps, from the beginning of conference play to the end, then again in the conference tournament, then again last night.

I do think Oswego was looking past them, which accounted for the start of the game.

EC played really well.  I just didn't expect they would, or even could, step up to the level they played last night.

It's good news for the conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 12, 2012, 07:05:34 PM

Congrats to Ryan Birrell on being named to the all-region second team - Andre Shaw made the fourth team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 26, 2012, 02:38:57 PM

ENC has announced seven new recruits so far who are coming to school in the fall.  It looks like 6 of them are guards, so height may still be an issue.  Lots of scorers though - could be an interesting bunch if the coach can get them to meld together.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 14, 2012, 12:24:11 PM

Some schedules are starting to come out:

ENC, with a team comprised largely of freshman managed to schedule about the easiest non-conference opponents possible - suffolk, wheelock, daniel webster, thomas, and UMPI - there's also a "New England Tournament" to open the season.  If that's NEC we're looking at the easiest schedule in d3.  A great move for ENC!

Curry is the exact opposite.  They're opening with the Amherst tournament, followed by games at WPI and at MIT.  They've also got Williams, Wesleyan, and UMASS-D on the docket before Christmas.  They're loading up before conference play starts.

EC has Framingham to open the year at the Rivier tournament.  Also Wheelock, Clark, Emmanuel, Lesley, and Salem State.  A decent schedule for a team adjusting to some new starters.

Nichols has Lasell, MCLA, Fitchburg, Clark, EConn, Worcester, and Westfield.  They're not losing too much, so this could work out ok for them.

SRU opens with J&W and then the Babson tournament.  They've also got RIC, Wheaton, ConnColl, and Coast Guard.  Unless their incoming class is very strong, this could be a challenge for them.

UNE has Thomas, Farmington, Mt Ida, the UMASS-Boston tournament, Bates and Southern ME - a pretty typical schedule for them.

WIT will also be at the Babson tournament (Colby and Babson are the other two schools), so we could get a non-conference CCC matchup there.  They've also got ConnColl, Wheelock, Newbury and the NYU holiday tournament (with Clark and Widener).

GC, RWU, and WNEC have yet to release schedules.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on August 21, 2012, 02:24:58 AM
They've also got Williams, Wesleyan, and UMASS-D on the docket before Christmas.  They're loading up before conference play starts.
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I don't think Dartmouth will be any good this year.  They dissapointed last year (finished 5th in the LEC) and graduate their 3 best players off that team.  Of course the top of that conference has gotten worse overall from last year, especially WConn, so who really knows
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 16, 2012, 01:04:02 PM

Rosters are beginning to go up.  ENC's roster features 10 freshmen and 3 transfers - along with Chima Ezeigbo, who apparently has one more year of eligibility left (a couple other key contributors return as well).  Not sure if you can ever fully recover from the kind of injury he had, but he'll be almost two years out from surgery when the season starts, so I guess we'll find out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:29:56 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: dwebbs on October 18, 2012, 04:32:32 PM
Hello again d3boards.com,

I was wondering if there was anyone who is in the loop at my former school, Gordon College, who could say a little something about the team's prospects this year. I saw where they were kind of a middle of the conference team last year, but wonder how they've looked since practices started earlier this week.

Maybe it's too early to tell, and I need to wait a few weeks. But there used to be quite a bit of Gordon posters on this board. I'm hoping there still are.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2012, 08:58:22 PM

Curry has a roster up, but without freshmen.

Gordon added three freshman, one big guy from Vermont.  They graduated five, but most of the core returns.

ENC's had a few changes since they first loaded a roster.  All the old faces are there and a bunch of new ones.  They're going to be short, though.  Outside of Ezeigbo, they only have on other player taller than 6'2".

EC has only 8 names on the roster right now.  All returners, all the guys we expect.  We'll see who they add.

Nichols added six freshmen, mostly little guys.  Kuntz and Sheehan are there - all the big parts from last year.

RWU is lacking a roster at this time.

Salve has everybody back who didn't graduate (ie Burrell).  Hopefully the other guys learned something.  Seven freshman, a couple guards, a couple big guys.  Could be interesting.

UNE has a lot of seniors, but to be honest I didn't remember much of who they had last year.  A couple freshmen on the list.

WIT is bringing back a lot.  They're also adding a couple of transfers and someone who appears to be Therriault's little brother.  Could be interesting.

WNEC obviously lost Shaw, a big loss.  They picked up six freshmen with decent size, a couple from HSs with good teams.  Could be some surprises here.

Lots can happen, but I'm thinking WIT and EC are the favorites going in.  I like Sheehan and Nichols, even if they under-performed in recent years.  A couple squads could be real surprises, depending on how recruiting went.  Should be a fun season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on November 08, 2012, 11:45:19 AM
Quote from: dwebbs on October 18, 2012, 04:32:32 PM
Hello again d3boards.com,

I was wondering if there was anyone who is in the loop at my former school, Gordon College, who could say a little something about the team's prospects this year. I saw where they were kind of a middle of the conference team last year, but wonder how they've looked since practices started earlier this week.

Maybe it's too early to tell, and I need to wait a few weeks. But there used to be quite a bit of Gordon posters on this board. I'm hoping there still are.

Gordon is probably still to inefficient on offense to take a big step up.  They will be improved, but I don't think they have solved their backcourt problems.

Dempsey will be a PoY candidate ... I know this has been going on since his sophomore year, but I think it is because when Dempsey is hot he scores more easily than anyone in the league.  He has never seemed to have the consistency/toughness/discipline to maintain that dominant level for whole games at a time.  I would also expect younger brother Jason to make a big impact.

Alex Carnes (starting 3-man) is ineligible for the fall and the freshman big guy from VT is not going to be a factor.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2012, 05:53:07 PM

ENC is going to NJIT on Tuesday night for a game (exhibition for ENC, real for NJIT).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2012, 01:49:36 PM

Pre-season poll:

Endicott    97 (8)
Wentworth    76 (1)
Salve Regina    68
Curry    64 (1)
Gordon    62
Nichols    61
Roger Williams    53
Western New England    29
University of New England    21
Eastern Nazarene    19
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2012, 08:12:17 PM

Halftime for ENC at NJIT.  ENC is down 5 at the half, but they had some significant leads in the first period.  Ezeigbo seems to be all the way back; he's much more aggressive on the offensive end and looks very comfortable on the court - something we didn't see last year.

They're playing the freshmen liberally, with some good contributions.  11 guys saw minutes in the first half, five of them freshmen.  Tough to see just who will be contributing during the season, but ENC will have plenty of depth.  These guys hustle.  Ballhandling looks like it won't be an issue this year either.

ENC hasn't clicked well on defense and they're making a lot of bad decision on the offensive end as well (lots of quick threes), but they're hanging around.

I have to think this team will not be finishing last, as the pre-season poll has them.  Could be feisty if they manage to find some discipline and a get the line-up nailed down.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2012, 09:10:25 PM

NJIT settled down in the second half, made their adjustments and cruised to a 76-43 win.

It's going to be a good problem for ENC's coach Aller - lots of guys who can play minutes.  I don't envy him trying to figure out a line-up.  Veterans Johnson, Barbosa, and McCoy, none looked very sharp in this game.  A number of freshmen played better.

Eric Lynch, a 6'2" guard from Georgia, made a lot of good decisions.  Alex Jarman, from RI, started and played lots of minutes.  He was solid, but I think he got time more for his height than anything else.  The little guy Jaylen Owens, also from Georgia, is brash and not afraid to shoot.  A decent ball handler.  There were a few other freshmen contributing as well.

They're certainly not going to be a pushover team for the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2012, 09:16:39 AM

Salve hosts Johnson & Wales tonight to kick off the season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2012, 09:59:40 PM

Salve outlasts J & W in OT 79-75.  The CCC is undefeated on the year.  Pringle put up 24 points.  Hohlfelder had 17.  They got some decent contributions from the bench as well.  Not bad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2012, 02:07:45 PM

I really hope I'm not posting to myself here this year.

Tonight:

UNE v Thomas @ Farmington
WNEC @ EConn
RWU hosts Lesley
ENC v Fitchburg @ NEC
EC v Framingham in Nashua (Rivier? maybe)
CC v Colby-Sawyer @ Amherst
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on November 16, 2012, 02:34:39 PM
UNE v Thomas @ Farmington
WNEC @ EConn
RWU hosts Lesley
ENC v Fitchburg @ NEC
EC v Framingham in Nashua (Rivier? maybe)
CC v Colby-Sawyer @ Amherst

Don't worry Hoops, I'll be here too. I only have EC getting a win tonight but I think the RWU/Lesley and CC/CSC games are toss-ups. I'll take Lesley because they played last night and might have ironed out some first game sloppiness.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2012, 02:34:56 PM
I'm reading if that makes you feel any better. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ronk on November 16, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
That's called writing, Gordon. ;)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2012, 06:28:21 PM

I don't know much about Fitchburg this year, but I'm excited about the ENC season.  They wouldn't have had nearly as bad a record last year if they could finish games.  They'll have no shortage of guys willing and able to take the last shot this season, so I think they'll improve.

I'm cautiously thinking W tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2012, 10:09:25 PM

WNEC got absolutely trounced by EConn 34-62.  They ran up against a buzzsaw defense and without Andre Shaw to bail them out, it was tough to score.  No one scored more than 7, but the minutes were spread around a lot - looks like they've still got to figure out the rotation.

UNE went down to Thomas 76-99.

ENC gave up a nine point halftime lead, losing to Fitchburg 74-80.  ENC hit only three FGs in the second half.  Rough finish.  Freshman Justin Wagner hit 5-8 from downtown to lead the team with 15 points.  Ezeigbo went for 12 and 13.  Obviously the second half was a mess - we'll see how things develop as they integrate the freshmen.

EC beat Framingham 74-62.

RWU took care of Lesley 56-53.

Curry took out Colby-Sawyer 97-96 in what must have been a great one.

We're missing a lot of boxscores right now; hopefully the teams are just working out the kinks to open the season.  I can't wait to see that CC scoring chart.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2012, 10:26:52 PM

RWU took a butt-load of threes in this game.  They made about a third of them.  The only player in double figures was James Lecardi with 22.  A lot of forced turnovers with only 11 for RWU.  Seems like their discipline is in form already.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2012, 11:35:05 PM

EC picked up right where they left off - all five starters in double figures.  They were short on rebounds, but shot well from deep and limited turnovers.

I don't think anyone was overly impressive tonight, but a number of teams have solid foundations to work on.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 03:39:25 PM

Finally saw the Curry boxscore.  Four guys scored over 17, so that's twice as many reliable scorers as last year.  Could be beneficial.  They shot poorly from deep and still scored well and won.  Solid performance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 04:02:02 PM
Today, Gordon opens the season hosting #1 MIT.  The engineers are missing a couple key pieces, but they still stomped Lesley in their first game.  This will be ugly.

SRU plays at Babson, WIT is at Colby.

RWU hosts Sufflok

Currently, Curry is getting smoked at Amherst and EC is in a tight one at Rivier.

Already today,

Nichols beat Lasell 99-82.  Lasell took and hit a ton of FTs, but they could not make a three to save their lives (14%).  For Nichols, they played the typical inside-outside game, but neither Sheehan nor Kuntz played.  Not sure what's up there - injury?  Langadas had 30, including 10 FTs, while sophomore went 5-10 from downtown for 23 points.  I don't know what's up with Nichols' two best players sitting this one out, but if they can win without them, this could be a very good team when at full strength.

ENC took down NEC big time 104-73.  ENC played 17 guys, no one more than 25 minutes.  It looks like Ezeigbo woke up from the slow performance last night, scoring 21 on 8-9 shooting in 19 minutes.  Jeremy Wagner got inspired by his brother's hot performance last night and put in 10 and 6.  Another freshman, Alex Jarman, had 12 and 7.

UNE dropped a close one to Farmington 58-60.  Freshman, Devin Thompson had 22 on 6-13 3pt shooting.  Really got beat on the boards.

WNEC loses to Bowdoin, but not so bad - 63-72.  Damon Alston had 20; Mickiewicz had 15 - they combined 9-15 from three.  Looks like we've got a lot of long-range gunners in the league this year.  Impressive opening night shooting performances.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 04:04:12 PM

EC managed to take down Rivier 65-60.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 05:48:38 PM

Curry managed to hold their own against Amherst, losing 96-117.  Sedale Jones lit it up, going for 41 and proving he's a top offensive talent.  They held close on rebounding, but that's mostly because Amherst's big guys rarely missed, both going 10-12 from the field.

I think we're in for some feisty matchups during the conference schedule.  Not going to be too many pushover games this year.

RWU handled Suffolk 69-52.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 05:51:18 PM

Endicott seems to have been handled defensively, struggling to score.  Lance Green put on a good show, 12 and 10 with 8 FTs to pull out the win.  I'd love to get a first hand account to know what a team like Rivier did to slow EC down.  Makris had only 7 points and 3 boards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 06:42:02 PM

GC and MIT are tied at the half.  MIT hasn't hit a three yet, which is a big part of their game, especially with two starters still out recovering from off-season surgery.

Park Thomas is lighting it up to hold GC close.  The game is at Gordon, so there's a chance for a miracle.  I have a hard time believing MIT will play this poorly two halves in a row.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 07:21:44 PM

Live stats froze with 9:18 to play and MIT up one at Gordon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 07:49:49 PM

Gordon falls to MIT 53-64.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 07:53:54 PM

Salve falls to Babson 62-74.  They were down really badly at the half, so a valiant comeback cut short.  16 for Pringle.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 08:56:18 PM

WIT had a big lead most of the first half, but ended up down 30-32 at the break.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 09:46:48 PM

WIT loses to Colby 61-74.  Therriault had a killer first half and a mediocre second.  Likewise Mayo played well, not great.  Very little contribution from the bench.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 19, 2012, 07:50:35 AM
Curry has a pretty tough week...at Amherst, at WPI, and at MIT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2012, 11:09:02 AM

Salve beats WIT in a non-conference contest in OT 83-78.  Colin Johnson had 20 for WIT, 15 from transfer Dailon Wilson.  Pringle had 23 for SRU and Smiley added 18.  It appears many of the CCC squads are deeper this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2012, 11:09:42 AM

Nichols plays at Mass College tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on November 19, 2012, 11:54:43 AM
Big win for Salve. While it doesn't count for the TCCC standings they must be encouraged with the result given their loss of Birrell. Collecting 13 steals wll help ease offensive concerns since most steals result in transition opportunities.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on November 19, 2012, 01:21:42 PM
Gordon played a surprisingly close game with #1 MIT, losing 64-53.  The Scots were actually up 1 with about 10 minutes to play and if not for horrendous FT shooting by Dempsey (2-9) the game may have gone down the wire.

Both teams played man defense in the halfcourt the entire game, so the close game was not proof that Gordon's guards have gotten any better at dealing with backcourt pressure. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2012, 11:02:39 AM

Nichols took out Mass College on the road 94-83.  Sheehan and Kuntz both played in this one, so I guess it wasn't injury?  Did they show up late to practice too often?

Sheehan had 40, starting his bid for POY on the right foot - he also had 8 boards, 3 assists, and 4 steals.  Kuntz did not have a good night; we'll leave it at that.  They had 28 turnovers and a mediocre shooting night.  I'm not sure whether I'm too gunshy to hop on the bandwagon again or not.  Last year was a disappointment, but they certainly have a lot of potential.


Tonight:

WNEC @ Amherst
WIT @ ConnColl
UNE @ Mt Ida
CC @ WPI
ENC @ Suffolk
GC hosts Salem State
RWU hosts J&W
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2012, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 16, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
That's called writing, Gordon. ;)

+1
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on November 20, 2012, 02:47:28 PM
WNEC @ Amherst
WIT @ ConnColl
UNE @ Mt Ida
CC @ WPI
ENC @ Suffolk
GC hosts Salem State
RWU hosts J&W

What a great night of games for the TCCC. With the exception of the WNEC game I think all of these games will be very close. It's hard to predict college sports at the best of times, and nearly impossible at the beginning of the year, so these may all be incorrect.

I'm surprised that so many teams are playing tonight. Usually campuses are dead this week because so many students go home for Thanksgiving. If the school draws the majority of their students from the surrounding area, like Salem or Mt. Ida, the games could be well attended but usually the stands are more than half empty.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on November 20, 2012, 03:55:57 PM
There's a lot of games tonight because this is the majority of the teams last game before Thanksgiving break.  A lot of schools played tournaments on Saturday and Sunday, so its a way to fit in 1 more game before they go home for a couple of days.  All 16 team in the LEC play tonight (when you include men and women) and aside from the Boston men who have a tournament next Friday and Saturday everyone else is off until next Sunday at the earliest.  I doubt teams would want a week off from actual competition when they started the season 2, 3 or 4 days ago. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on November 20, 2012, 04:05:22 PM
I completely understand your point but I'm still not a fan. Also, since most teams played multiple games this weekend, it leaves them will very little practice time over a 10 day period. If the conference schedule allowed I'd rather practice today and tomorrow, come back on saturday for another practice, game on Sunday night then games Wednesday and Saturday. That way you have a three game week but it's spaced out and there is adequate practice time preceeding the games. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on November 20, 2012, 04:09:49 PM
I don't like it either, but I understand why they do it.  I think the players like it more though, by playing tonight they get to go home tonight a day earlier then they would have if they had back to back practices.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2012, 04:33:26 PM

A couple things - the T in TCCC stands for "the" and is only there because someone else in MA already had rights to CCC.  We can still use CCC and usually do.


Most of the teams regularly play Tuesday games, so this isn't a surprise tonight.  Also, with the change in conference size and the increase in the number of conference games, there are very few open spaces to fit the non-con games in.  I saw ENC is playing tonight and tomorrow.  The schools are still trying to adjust to the full schedule, I think.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2012, 11:39:54 AM

WNEC goes down to Amherst 61-104, Amherst is looking good so far.  No real stats to report for WNEC, no one scored in double figures.  Only 12 turnovers though, that's something to build on.

WIT takes out Connecticut College 63-51.  Well done.  Mayo had 17 (and continues to get to the line and hit FTs) and Johnson had 16.  Lots of FTs and forced turnovers.

UNE crushed by Mt Ida 52-90.  This is shaping up to be a very bad team.  Fenner managed 12 points.  The team shot terribly and were outrebounded by quite a bit.

Curry falls to WPI, after leading early, continuing their problems closing out games (which is mostly a defensive issue, which is nothing new), 76-83.  Jones and Lambros had 20 a piece, Stephens had 22 and 13.  Very similar numbers all the way across.  CC won the rebound battle and went to the line a lot (shooting about 60%, which is likely the difference).  7 turnovers from Jones didn't help.

ENC takes out Suffolk 90-82 to achieve a winning record for the first time in a while.  They almost gave away a big halftime lead, but the amount of scoring has to be a bright spot for the coaching staff.  21 from Ezeigbo, 15 a piece from Barbosa and McCoy.  Three point shooting was largely the difference.

Gordon beats Salem State 69-68 to continue a great week for them.  Miersma went for 21 and 19 (apparently Salem has not post presence).  Dempsey had 13 boards; Hamilton and Thomas were both in double digits scoring.  55 team rebounds and 29 turnovers.

RWU falls to J&W 56-68.  Tough loss.  Down 18-33 at the half, they won the second half, but obviously it was never close.  14 from James Lecardi.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2012, 11:40:42 AM

ENC is hosting Wheelock tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: amh63 on November 21, 2012, 11:56:08 AM
Hoops Fan.....seems that we are both behind the times on school designations.  Had to correct my post on the NESCAC board from WNEC to WNE, after reading the professional writeup of the game on the Amherst website.  Western New England University went to a University from a College and dropped the "C" from their marker..so to speak.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2012, 05:01:10 PM
Quote from: amh63 on November 21, 2012, 11:56:08 AM
Hoops Fan.....seems that we are both behind the times on school designations.  Had to correct my post on the NESCAC board from WNEC to WNE, after reading the professional writeup of the game on the Amherst website.  Western New England University went to a University from a College and dropped the "C" from their marker..so to speak.

They'll always be WNEC (pronounced wee-neck) to me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2012, 08:13:39 PM

ENC cruised to a 20 point halftime lead and coasted home 87-62 over Wheelock.  Ezeigbo had 20 points in 20 minutes and the bench got a lot of time.  ENC shot 56% from the floor.


UNE is at the Mass-Boston tourney this weekend and Curry travels to MIT Saturday.  Could a CCC team knock off the pre-season #1?  Could happen, especially since MIT is down two starters.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 20, 2012, 04:33:26 PM

A couple things - the T in TCCC stands for "the" and is only there because someone else in MA already had rights to CCC.  We can still use CCC and usually do.


Actually, the CCC no longer does this. Which makes me feel good about not ever having spent my time updating the sites to make the change.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on November 23, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
UNE loses to host Mass-Boston 72-30 in the opening game of the Harbor invitational tournament @ Boston.    Charles Fenner III had 10 points to lead UNE who made just 10 field goals the entire game and allowed Boston to shoot almost 50% from the floor for the game (Beacons finished at 48.9%).  UNE plays the loser of Trinity St. Joseph's (VT) tomorrow in the consolation game starting at 1:00 PM and currently Trinty leads 51-38 with 12:00 minutes to play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2012, 10:39:55 PM

UNE is not very good this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 24, 2012, 05:05:46 PM

Curry gave MIT a good run, losing 63-71.  Antonio Jones led CC with 13 points.  MIT appeared to have been ready for Sedale, he only had 8.  They gave up a ton of points to Mitchell Kates at PG - this seems like the complete opposite of how most Curry games go.  Strange.

Also,

UNE won a game!! It wasn't against a d3 opponent, but they beat St. Joe's (VT) 70-63.  Devin Thompson had 23, Fenner had 21, and Jesse Sykstra went for 14 and 13.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2012, 04:13:49 PM

WIT at Wheelock

NC at Fitchburg
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2012, 09:33:05 PM

Nichols over Fitchburg 84-81.  All five starters in double figures; Sheehan had 23.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2012, 08:28:17 AM

WIT took out Wheelock 67-55.  Mayo had 21, Johnson had 14.  Terriault the younger is starting to get some run.  Matt Harte filled up the stat line off the bench - 7pts, 5 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, 2 blocks.  Wheelock hit 50% of their threes and still got crushed; that is not a good team.


Conference play begins tonight:

GC @ WNE
RWU @ ENC
NC @ CC
WIT @ UNE
SRU @ EC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on November 27, 2012, 02:52:02 PM
I think you mean tomorrow.

With that said, i'm going with GC, ENC, CC, WIT, and EC. I think the Salve/Endicott game will be the best one of the night but the closest game may be the ENC/RWU game. I think Curry could score 100 against Nichols.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2012, 05:16:35 PM

You're right.  I wonder what's up with the Wednesday games?  That's odd.

I think Curry and Nichols could both score 100.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2012, 08:28:11 PM

WNE starts off with a one point victory over Gordon 68-67.  WNE came in with a game plan and handled Dempsey and Miersma - both scoring only 5 a piece.  Park Thomas had 16 and 7 to lead GC - they did get 10 and 5 from the other (younger?) Dempsey off the bench.  Damon Alston and DeWayne Wynn each had 12 for WNE.  Both teams shot well from the floor and deep; both shot poorly from the line, Gordon moreso.  Close one all around.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2012, 08:45:41 PM

ENC put on a ridiculous defensive performance, downing Roger Williams 74-45.  Ezeigbo had 15 points in 27 minutes of play.  ENC forced 23 turnovers on 18 steals, holding RWU to 34% shooting (and taking an extra 20 shots).  Probably their best performance in a game in at least 8 years?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2012, 09:17:05 PM

Salve pulls out a win at EC 84-78.  Both teams playing really well (I caught some of the second half video feed).  Magee had 21 points, Greene had 19, Makris 13.  Salve was led by 18 from Pringle.  A lot of FTs on both sides.  If EC had shot the same percentage as Salve, the result would have been reversed.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2012, 09:27:34 PM

Not 100, but Curry beat Nichols 86-73.  The matchup between the two most likely POY candidates went to Sheehan individually, but Sedale Jones contributed more widely and lead his team to victory.  Jones had 23, AJ Stephens had 25 and 12, Papalambros had 19.  Sheehan did have 32.  Curry dominated the boards and if they took a little better care of the ball it would have been a blowout. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2012, 09:30:15 PM

UNE only scored 14 in the first half, but attempted an impressive comeback to fall short 47-59 against UNE.  WIT really let their guard down, but managed to stay in front.  No boxscore yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2012, 12:10:26 PM

Another round of conference games tomorrow:

WNE @ NC
ENC @ WIT
UNE @ SRU
RWU @ EC
CC @ GC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2012, 04:04:10 PM

We now live in a world where WNE is 2-0 in conference and Nichols is 0-2.  Strange times.  Sheehan scored 27, but NC continues its refusal to play defense.  WNE is getting better, to give them credit.  We might have a very competitive league this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2012, 05:03:28 PM

ENC lost to WIT 50-59 at Wentworth.  WIT is a very disciplined team.  ENC took a lot of shots (only 5-26 from deep), more than Wentworth, but WIT hit at a much better percentage and outrebounded ENC.

EC beat RWU, Curry took out Gordon.

Salve is up 10 late in the second half against UNE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2012, 10:11:34 AM

Salve hosts RIC tonight and we find out if our league can be competitive regionally this year.

Gordon goes to Wheaton, WNE hosts Springfield, and Curry hosts Williams.

Nichols hosts Clark, UNE goes to Bates.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WPI89 on December 04, 2012, 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 04, 2012, 10:11:34 AM

Salve hosts RIC tonight and we find out if our league can be competitive regionally this year.

Gordon goes to Wheaton, WNE hosts Springfield, and Curry hosts Williams.

Nichols hosts Clark, UNE goes to Bates.

Clearly sticking my nose in here where it does not belong - but those are some TOUGH match-ups tonight.  I would think you would gladly sign up for 3-3 as a conference?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2012, 11:27:40 PM
I was thinking one win would be more than expected.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2012, 11:32:35 PM
Gordon managed to beat Wheaton, in the most likely win for the CCC, still I'd say we overacheived tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2012, 12:16:15 PM

A little bit of a lighter load for the CCC tonight:

EC hosts Wheelock
WIT hosts Newbury
NC at EConn
CC @ Mass-D
SRU hosts Wheaton
RWU plays WNE (I'm not sure if this is a conference game or not - strange for them to play one when no one else is)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on December 07, 2012, 09:08:57 AM
Went down to see Nichols last night- here's a question. The Nichols coach seems to be doing a pretty good job, but how on earth do you let your best player foul out with ELEVEN minutes left in the game-  they have a shot at pulling the upset if he protects him a little.

Very impressed with Bennett from Nichols think he'll be pretty good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2012, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on December 07, 2012, 09:08:57 AM
Went down to see Nichols last night- here's a question. The Nichols coach seems to be doing a pretty good job, but how on earth do you let your best player foul out with ELEVEN minutes left in the game-  they have a shot at pulling the upset if he protects him a little.

Very impressed with Bennett from Nichols think he'll be pretty good.

It seems, from the boxscores, that Nichols just refuses to play defense.  Did you see that in person?  No question they've got plenty of talent, but they just don't seem to be able to keep the other team from scoring.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2012, 10:22:59 AM

AJ Stephens is really tearing it up at Curry.  That's a big boy and if they can maintain an inside presence, it's just going to make their guards more dangerous.

I'll be looking forward to the EC - CC matchup in January.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2012, 10:45:36 AM

RWU beat WNE is what is a conference game.  GC and WIT play on an odd night as well, then everything else is back on schedule (those two games early will result in a three game night Jan 17).

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2012, 07:42:36 PM

Gordon is playing Lynchburg tonight; I think that's our only game.

I believe they're at a tournament at Manhattanville.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2012, 03:01:27 PM

Gordon lost to Lynchburg.  They committed 26 turnovers and shot 20 less times.  Tough to win a game like that.  So far this year, it seems like a slow pace of play is hurting Gordon's chances of winning, although if you have 26 turnovers when you're only take 46 shots, speeding things up probably isn't a solution.

EC has already lost to Clark today (74-80) and Roger Williams got crushed by Wheaton (51-78).

I am not sure what to make of the bottom end of the conference.  Right now it seems like WNE, RWU, and UNE are fighting for the #8 seed, but who knows what second semester will bring?

Salve trails ConnColl at halftime.

Gordon is playing Berkeley (NY)
Curry is hosting Wesleyan
WNE is hosting Westfield
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2012, 08:37:33 PM

Curry beat Wesleyan, pretty nice win for the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on December 10, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
This Curry team has it all. If they can keep everyone healthy (and eligible) they could make a run in the NCAA's. Those are some big if's, but it is certainly a possibility.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2012, 11:11:11 AM
Quote from: uconn05 on December 10, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
This Curry team has it all. If they can keep everyone healthy (and eligible) they could make a run in the NCAA's. Those are some big if's, but it is certainly a possibility.

They're not putting teams away.  Too many close games.  If you let a team stick around in the post-season, you're in trouble.

They can certainly get there, but I need to see more.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2012, 10:29:47 AM

Four games on the docket tonight:

RWU @ Coast Guard
EC hosts Emmanuel
NC @ Worcester
Gordon @ Lesley
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: uconn05 on December 11, 2012, 11:48:46 AM
Three of the four are on the road but I am forecasting a CCC sweep.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on December 11, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 10, 2012, 11:11:11 AM
Quote from: uconn05 on December 10, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
This Curry team has it all. If they can keep everyone healthy (and eligible) they could make a run in the NCAA's. Those are some big if's, but it is certainly a possibility.

They're not putting teams away.  Too many close games.  If you let a team stick around in the post-season, you're in trouble.

They can certainly get there, but I need to see more.

I had a chance to catch Curry earlier this year.  Jones is great, AJ Stephens surprisingly tough to stop, and the team plays with a lot of poise.  They are a threat to beat Endicott and may win the league but they are not remotely close to 'making a run' in the NCAAs.  They are not a top 20 or 30 team nationally and would have a hard time hanging with the GC or CSC teams of 3-5 years ago.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WPI89 on December 11, 2012, 02:47:55 PM
My compliments to Curry's strength of schedule (likely nobody in the country with 4 losses to better teams?).  They should be more than ready to step into CCC play!  Hope it helps them all the way to a tourney birth.  I can not stand teams that schedule nothing but cupcakes in order to pad their win totals.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2012, 07:38:32 PM

Yeah, the Amherst game was a good indication.  Curry hung around a lot longer than I expected.  Stephens is a surprise so far.  But in the end, Amherst buckled down, went on a run and won easily.

Curry has always been able to score, but their defense has been suspect and they don't turn it on in crunch time.

Amherst is not as good as their ranking right now either.

Curry can get right, but will they - that's a tough order.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2012, 10:06:15 PM
Quote from: uconn05 on December 11, 2012, 11:48:46 AM
Three of the four are on the road but I am forecasting a CCC sweep.

And sweep it is.  Gordon pulled out a one point victory and RWU beat a terrible CGA by 4.

Ryan Sheehan continued his high scoring ways - he's currently 3rd in the nation in scoring average right now - and NC picked up a win.

Endicott also won - with the emergence of Matt Kneece in the middle, they are going to be a tough out.  It will be interesting to see what he can do against Stephens when EC and CC meet.  I've definitely got those two pegged as the early favorites, with WIT and SRU right behind.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2012, 03:25:58 PM

Endicott beat Lesley, it looks pretty easily.  The guards did all the scoring.

WIT and GC are playing the last conference game of 2012 right now, still early, tied at 15.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2012, 04:47:30 PM

Gordon hit the boards and got to the line to beat WIT by 13.

Wentworth plays at NYU's tournament on Dec 29 and 30 - those are out next games.

Have a good holiday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on December 17, 2012, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 15, 2012, 04:47:30 PM

Gordon hit the boards and got to the line to beat WIT by 13.

Wentworth plays at NYU's tournament on Dec 29 and 30 - those are out next games.

Have a good holiday.

WIT was a nice matchup for Gordon as both teams are equally unathletic in the backcourt.  Both teams walked the ball up without pressure and ran their halfcourt sets.  Gordon is significantly bigger in the frontcourt and took 20+ more foul shots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2012, 12:43:51 AM

WIT goes down to Clark, they play Widener tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on December 30, 2012, 11:56:40 PM
Was at the Widener Wentworth game at NYU today.  Wentworth escaped with the 68-63 win.  Trailed for about 36:30 of the game and got lucky because Widener totally imploded the last 5 minutes.  I heard from the Wentworth coaches that Widener has NYU on the ropes Saturday and let them off, so a decent showing for Wentworth
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 31, 2012, 10:48:01 AM

It seems like WIT is playing pretty disciplined ball this year - did an in person look show the same thing?  My impressions have been that they're experienced, but not overly talented and the discipline is really helping them elevate their play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 31, 2012, 02:41:54 PM

A couple New Year's Day games tomorrow:

ENC hosts Thomas and RWU faces Purchase in Springfield.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on January 01, 2013, 01:47:38 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 31, 2012, 10:48:01 AM

It seems like WIT is playing pretty disciplined ball this year - did an in person look show the same thing?  My impressions have been that they're experienced, but not overly talented and the discipline is really helping them elevate their play.

Not sure of the stats put they didn't turn the ball over much, and also didn't foul a lot either.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 01, 2013, 04:02:13 PM

ENC beat Thomas handily, 99-81.  Not a ton of defense here, but ENC hit the boards well.  They overcame early foul trouble and Jaylen Owens put on a good show with 15 pts, 11 assists, 4 steals and 3-4 shooting from deep.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 01, 2013, 10:12:38 PM

RWU lost to Purchase, 51-58.

I think they play Colby tomorrow.

WNE goes to WestConn
NC hosts Westfield
SRU hosts Coast Guard
EC goes to Salem State
UNE is at Southern Maine
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on January 02, 2013, 08:18:53 PM
WNEU beats Western 93-85 in double OT.  Nice win for WNEU.  Damon Alston had about 30 points, including the jumper that forced the 2nd OT.  WNEU never trailed in the 2nd OT, and lead by as many as 11 in that 2nd OT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on January 02, 2013, 11:21:02 PM
Checking the play by play of the game Ryan Mickiewicz forced the second OT for WNEU NOT Damon Alston as I had posted previously.  Alsoton however, did force the first OT with 2 free throws with 8 seconds to go with WNEU down 2.  Btw, he (Alston) finished with exactly 30 points.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2013, 08:51:38 AM

That's certainly a good win for WNE, especially with Alston going off like that.  His season average is in single digits, so this could be a boost if he's feeling for comfortable carrying some scoring load.

Nichols beat Westfield State 88-74.  Sheehan went for 39 and Langadas had 20 and 10.  The defense seemed to be a little better here.  Also, Sheehan is now the second leading scorer in the nation.  Jack Taylor will likely come back to earth eventually and Sheehan could challenge for the title.

RWU got smoked by Colby 50-74, no surprise there.

Salve beat Coast Guard handily 72-50.  They continue a solid season.

EC got crushed by Salem State 79-102.  Neither Matt Kneece nor Laughlan Magee played in this game.  I haven't found any info on why they were missing, but it's something to watch.

UNE lost to Southern Maine, 57-73.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2013, 08:57:02 AM

ENC hosts Daniel Webster today and Gordon goes to Wheelock.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2013, 03:21:32 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 03, 2013, 08:57:02 AM

ENC hosts Daniel Webster today and Gordon goes to Wheelock.

ENC 89-76 Daniel Webster - Four guys in double figures, almost 50 boards again.  Granted, they've been playing terrible teams, but ENC continues to score and spread the scoring around.

Gordon spanks Wheelock 87-46.  Gordon scored more in the first half than Wheelock did in the entire game. 


Tomorrow back to league play:

WIT @ NC
GC @ ENC
WNE @ EC
SRU @ CC
RWU @ UNE

So, we've got:

all defense vs no defense
renewed rivalry
injury questions
early favorite to win the conference
early favorite to finish dead last

Not a bad set of storylines.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2013, 05:07:52 PM

Gordon beat ENC the live stats stopped with 9 seconds to go, but GC was up 81-67.  My plans delayed me, so I didn't get to watch the video feed.  From the boxscore, GC jumped on them early and ENC held even in the second half.  Dempsey and Miersma took it to ENC inside.  Gordon made more shots than ENC despite shooting 20 less times.  ENC won the turnover battle handily, but Gordon took 30 FTs and won the rebounding battle.  Neither team shot well from deep.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2013, 05:13:42 PM

WIT took out Nichols 70-59. They held Sheehan to 13 points.  Johnson had 21 for WIT.

Endicott slipped by WNE 69-66.

RWU took care of UNE pretty handily.

Curry crushed Salve 96-78.


With Magee still not playing for EC, I think Curry is the clear frontrunner right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3Fan4255 on January 07, 2013, 01:47:36 PM
Hoops Fan, I hate to agree with you on the point that EC is not the favorite right now in the league, but I have to.  I was at the game on Saturday, and if Magee plays, the Gulls win by at least 10-15 points.  WNE just isn't that good, and some of the younger guys who filled in for Magee just weren't up to snuff.  However, I think the biggest concern for EC is the fact that Tyler Burkhart isn't playing.  While he's not a stat stuffer, and is rarely going to get noticed on this board, he's the type of guy who does all the little things, i.e. make the extra pass, hustle plays, getting his teammates involved/fired up, that a team sorely misses when he's not on the court.  When Magee comes back, the Gulls are immediately improved, but if Burkhart can join him, they'll be tough to stop in the long run.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2013, 04:00:14 PM

At least recently, the way the league has gone there's usually a line, if you lose to them, you're not a contender.  This year, it seems like WNE, UNE, and RWU are below that line.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2013, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2013, 04:00:14 PM

At least recently, the way the league has gone there's usually a line, if you lose to them, you're not a contender.  This year, it seems like WNE, UNE, and RWU are below that line.


And the day after I type this, WNE beats WIT, UNE tops Gordon, and RWU is tied with Curry at the half.  Nuts.

ENC big over Salve 73-52.  Nothing makes sense this season.

And Nichols went nuts tonight, beating a still Magee-less EC 130-105 (still 30 seconds left).  Sheehan only has 27, but the team is 17 of 28 from deep.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2013, 01:57:05 PM

Another slate of conference games tonight:

ENC @ NC
WNE @ SRU
EC @ WIT
RWU @ GC
UNE @ CC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2013, 09:48:59 PM

ENC 78, Nichols 71.  Sheehan had 22 before fouling out.  Ezeigbo went for 22 and 17. ENC shot poorly from deep; NC shot worse.

Salve big over WNE 87-54.  Pringle went nuts again.

WIT in OT over EC 70-66.  Makris didn't start, Kneece only played 11 minutes, still no Magee (wish someone knew what was going on with him), and some dude named Tell White started and brought down 14 boards.  Who knows?

Gordon beat RWU 69-48.  Dempsey the only starter not in double figures.  Perilously inconsistent, although he seems to be stepping up at the right times.

Curry stays perfect 80-74 over UNE.  AJ Stephens did not play.  He's still on the roster on the website, so maybe he's wherever Lachlan Magee is (study abroad?). 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 11, 2013, 12:05:45 PM
Dempsey looks more indifferent than anything.  He is still as talented as anyone in the league (and has been for three years) but doesn't seem to have the will or the supporting parts to be consistent.

RWU looked as bad as any team I have ever seen in CCC league play.  I cannot imagine them being a factor in the league race. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2013, 09:34:21 PM

Another round of CCC play tomorrow:

GC @ SRU
NC @ UNE
EC @ CC
WIT @ RWU
WNE @ ENC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2013, 04:56:03 PM

Gordon beat Salve in RI, so the Scots seem to be feeling frisky.

ENC trounced WNE by 19. 

Nichols over UNE big.  Sheehan only had 12.

Curry beat Endicott by 10.  No Magee or Stephens and Curry still got five guys in double figures.  This team is shaping up to be very good.

WIT managed to hold off a charge by RWU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2013, 07:08:58 PM

Another slate of conference games tonight.  The Salve-WIT battle should be interesting, and of course the GC-EC rivalry could be fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2013, 09:06:04 PM

ENC barely slips past UNE.

Curry up big over WNE and Nichols finishing off RWU.

Salve's up on WIT 13 with a minute to go.

Gordon is up 5 on Endicott, but the second half just got underway.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2013, 09:06:04 PM


Gordon is up 5 on Endicott, but the second half just got underway.

Or the live stats got stuck and it's over already.  Who knows?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2013, 09:22:20 PM

Gordon did manage to win.

Standings right now:

CC    7-0
ENC  5-2
GC    5-3
WIT  5-3
SRU  4-3
NC    3-4
WNE  3-5
EC    2-5
RWU 2-6
UNE  1-6
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2013, 09:47:35 PM

ENC took down Curry tonight - perhaps taking courage from their highlight on d3hoops.com this week.

UNE somehow took out Endicott at EC. 

Nichols snuck by Salve.  Three road wins in three games tonight.


CC    7-1
ENC  6-2
GC    5-3
WIT  5-3
NC    4-4
SRU  4-4
WNE 3-5
EC    2-6
RWU 2-6
UNE 2-6
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 18, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
I have no idea who is going to win this league.

Curry still seems like the favorite - well coached, veteran, good core - but they are by no means unbeatable.

Is Endicott done?

What team has the most upside at this point ...i.e. whose best game would be the best?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2013, 04:27:51 PM

It's going to be hard for EC to come back from 2-6, not impossible, but if they don't get Magee back (I still have no idea whether its grades or injury or if he's even going to come back) there's no chance they win, at least based on performance so far.

Salve seems to have peaked already.  They were winning games early they probably shouldn't have won.  Pringle isn't going to be able to put them on his back the whole season.  He's already playing well about reasonable expectation.

Nichols has the offensive talent, but has repeatedly shown they won't defend anybody.

WIT died, apparently.  They were a really solid, disciplined team, but they're not getting results.

Curry is not as good as they were with Stephens (no idea if he's coming back either), but I think they're still the best team.

I didn't think ENC was a contender, but if they can beat Curry at Curry, they at least have a shot.

Of course, they didn't look great against Gordon.  It seems like Dempsey has Ezeigbo's number and GC is playing much better currently, but by no means great.

That's seven teams I could see winning - and we forget, they're only 8 games into an 18 game conference schedule.  Things will get crazier before they get clearer, I suspect.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2013, 03:39:42 PM

Gordon beat up on Nichols pretty good.  Sheehan only had 9 points.  Hans Miersma is starting to come on for GC now.  He's begun to have the kinds of scoring nights he showed last season.  Added to his defense, that will help immeasurably.  They might be playing the best ball right now.

ENC is up 8 on EC at the half.

UNE is up on WNE at the half.

Curry has almost doubled up WIT 27-15, still early in the first half.

Battle of RI is tied at 31 just two minutes to go in the first half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2013, 04:33:32 PM

ENC topped EC by 18 or so. 

UNE - WNE are deadlocked with 4 to play.

Curry's up 12 on WIT with 6 to play.

RWU and SRU are even with 2 to play (Pringle is 1-10 on the day so far).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2013, 04:53:50 PM

Salve pulls it out 71-69, RWU missed the last shot.

Curry's up 13 with 20 seconds to play at WIT, that one's over.

WNE 62, UNE 60, in OT.

At the halfway point in the conference schedule:

CC  8-1
ENC 7-2
GC  6-3
SRU 5-4
WIT 5-4
WNE 4-5
NC   4-5
UNE 2-7
EC  2-7
RWU 2-7

Those tiebreakers are correct thus far (SRU beat WIT head to head, WNE beat NC head to head, and UNE beat Gordon, breaking the three way tie, EC over RWU head to head).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2013, 05:18:00 PM

Just noticed ENC is going to UMPI for a game Monday.  Not sure who decided an 800 mile round trip would be a good move for an off-day from conference play, but I do not envy them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2013, 05:59:23 PM

Also, it seems as though Magee played for Endicott today.  It didn't help them much, but he should be an asset moving forward.  For a team currently outside the playoff picture, it's a good sign.

Chima Ezeigbo went out of the game four minutes in - he lost a tooth.  He'll miss the UMPI game on Monday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2013, 03:42:08 PM

ENC managed to overcome the drive and the absence of Ezeigbo and won at UMPI 70-68.

WNE is hosting Lyndon State tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on January 24, 2013, 02:56:06 PM
Gordon is starting to make a strong move and has won 10 of 11.  This Saturday's game in Milton should give us a solid idea of where this conference is headed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2013, 08:08:11 PM

So I take off for two days and all hell breaks loose:

Nichols beats Curry, ENC loses to Roger Williams.

Craziness.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2013, 04:44:15 PM

ENC, not yet back to full strength, lost at home to Wentworth, 71-74.

Curry beats Gordon. 

The other three coming down to the wire.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2013, 04:51:12 PM

Nichols over WNE.

EC comes from behind over RWU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2013, 08:18:26 PM

UNE managed to beat Salve - that leaves us:


Curry  9-2
Gordon 7-4
WIT     7-4
ENC     7-4
Nichols 6-5
Salve   6-5
WNE    4-7
Endicott 3-8
RWU      3-8
UNE      3-8
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2013, 11:17:13 AM

We have a ton of big games tonight.  Outside of Curry, every team needs to win tonight.

ENC hosts Nichols.  ENC badly wants a home playoff game.  This is one game they need to win to help that cause.

EC hosts WIT.  EC is struggling and WIT needs to prove they're in the top tier.

UNE is fighting for the last playoff spot and hosts a Curry squad with a two game lead.  Best chance to take the lead in a three-way tiebreaker is winning this game.

WNE hosts Salve.  A WNE win brings them only 1 game from the #6 spot (possibly #5).

RWU, on a tear of late (if you can call 3-8 a tear), hosts Gordon.  Both teams want to distance themselves from the teams with which they're tied right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2013, 08:47:03 PM

Just finished watching the feed from ENC - they beat Nichols in OT.  Sloppy second half from ENC gave up a big lead.  Lots of ups and downs here.  Either of these teams could win or lose against anybody in the conference depending on the night.  ENC is a roller coaster depending so heavily on so many freshmen, but they're getting a lot of experience.

EC and WIT are in a close one - 6 minutes to go.

Curry up 36-21 at UNE at the half.

WNE is trying to hold on to a lead (now up 8) with 9 minutes to go.

Gordon is up 6 at the half at RWU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2013, 09:27:31 PM

WIT over EC in OT.

Curry crushed UNE 66-38.

68-57, WNE continues to surprise with a win over Salve.

Gordon up 7 with 3 minutes to go at RWU.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2013, 09:57:28 PM

Gordon with the win at RWU.


Standings:

CC  10-2
GC    8-4
WIT  8-4
ENC  8-4
NC    6-6
SRU  6-6
WNE  5-7
EC    3-9
RWU 3-9
UNE  3-9
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2013, 09:26:35 PM

Gordon over UNE
WIT over WNE
Curry over RWU
Nichols pulls out a home win over a quickly improving EC (6 guys in double figures).
ENC drops one at SRU

Curry 11-2
Gordon 9-4
WIT 9-4
ENC 8-5
NC 7-6
SRU 7-6
WNE 5-8
EC 3-10
RWU 3-10
UNE 3-10
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2013, 09:43:29 PM

In other news, AJ Stephens is back playing for Curry, going for 20 and 20 tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2013, 05:01:25 PM

Roger Williams topped UNE 67-64.

WIT took out Nichols pretty handily.

Gordon beat ENC again 56-49.  GC put on a great defensive performance.  ENC early in the season was rebounding very well. These last few games, they've been having a hard time getting boards.  That's going to have to change if they want to do well in the playoffs.

EC over WNE 70-64.

Curry and Salve were close with 7:55 to go when live stats died.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2013, 05:38:45 PM

Curry beats Salve by 1.  It looks like a lot of teams are coming on late.  This could be an exciting final few weeks.


Curry 12-2
Gordon 10-4
WIT 9-5*
ENC 8-6
Nichols 7-7
Salve 7-7
Endicott 5-9*
WNE 5-9
RWU 4-10
UNE 3-11

*Apparently I had the WIT-EC game result reversed in previous standings.  This is correct now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 02, 2013, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 02, 2013, 05:38:45 PM

Curry beats Salve by 1.  It looks like a lot of teams are coming on late.  This could be an exciting final few weeks.


Curry 12-2
Gordon 10-4
WIT 9-5*
ENC 8-6
Nichols 7-7
Salve 7-7
Endicott 5-9*
WNE 5-9
RWU 4-10
UNE 3-11

*Apparently I had the WIT-EC game result reversed in previous standings.  This is correct now.
Not sure where you got those from. From the league website:

Curry   12-2
Gordon 10-4
Wentworth 10-4
Eastern Nazarene   8-6
Nichols 7-7
Salve Regina 7-7
Western New England 5-9
Endicott 4-10
Roger Williams 4-10
University of New England  3-11

http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/index.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2013, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 02, 2013, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 02, 2013, 05:38:45 PM

Curry beats Salve by 1.  It looks like a lot of teams are coming on late.  This could be an exciting final few weeks.


Curry 12-2
Gordon 10-4
WIT 9-5*
ENC 8-6
Nichols 7-7
Salve 7-7
Endicott 5-9*
WNE 5-9
RWU 4-10
UNE 3-11

*Apparently I had the WIT-EC game result reversed in previous standings.  This is correct now.
Not sure where you got those from. From the league website:

Curry   12-2
Gordon 10-4
Wentworth 10-4
Eastern Nazarene   8-6
Nichols 7-7
Salve Regina 7-7
Western New England 5-9
Endicott 4-10
Roger Williams 4-10
University of New England  3-11

http://www.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com/index.aspx?path=mbball

So I was correct all along.  Makes me feel better.  The list I posted was from d3hoops conference page Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2013, 06:46:11 PM
Looks like there was a 2-1/2 hour stretch on Saturday during which the score was posted backwards by someone else before Bill Gorman corrected it. For that span it would have shown as you describe.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 06, 2013, 07:15:55 PM
There was some mixup where an XML file from another game (and gender) was inadvertently uploaded to that game, which would have caused the switch throughout the Presto network and changed the standings.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2013, 09:18:14 PM

ENC big over UNE

Gordon won pretty big at Endicott (72-59).

WIT over Salve.

Curry over UNE

Nichols and RWU tied with 9:30 to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2013, 09:47:16 PM

Roger Williams pulls the upset over Nichols.


Curry 13-2
Gordon 11-4
WIT 11-4
ENC 9-6
Nichols 7-8
Salve 7-8
WNE 5-10
RWU 5-10
EC 4-11
UNE 3-12
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2013, 11:25:52 PM

I just assumed all the weekend games would be canceled, but apparently Roger Williams beat Wentworth yesterday.  Both teams scored in the 40s.  Perhaps they played outside in the snow?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 12, 2013, 10:50:36 PM
SRU over Nichols - 86 - 75
ENC does the impossible against Curry - 100 - 80
Gordon tops Wentworth - 71 - 58
UNE over Endicott - 60 -59
RWU over WNEC - 69 - 56

Standings (I think):

Curry  13-3
Gordon  12-4
Wentworth  11-6
ENC    10-6
SRU    8-8
Nichols  7-9
RWU    7-10
WNEC  5-11
Endicott  4-12
UNE  4-12
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2013, 09:55:30 AM

Yeah, that looks right.  ENC has beaten Curry twice this year.  It seems like they would matchup poorly, but something is clicking.  The thing I noticed most was that ENC got the vast majority of their scoring from the bench.  I know it was Senior night, so the starting line-up was different, but even Ezeigbo didn't do much and AJ Stephens seemed to do fine down low.

The top four are locked in.

Curry secures the #1 spot with one win or one Gordon loss.

Gordon is locked in to #2 (won twice over both WIT and ENC), but could get #1 if Curry loses out and GC wins both games.

WIT secures the #3 with a win or an ENC loss.

ENC is already guaranteed #4, but could jump up with two wins and a WIT loss.

There's still a lot of options in the 5-6-7 spots.

WNEC obviously has the leg up on #8 with the one game lead over EC and UNE, but that could be up for grabs if they can't beat ENC in the next contest.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on February 13, 2013, 02:49:08 PM
Kudos to ENC.  That coach should be unanimous CoY.

That game last night was the wildest box score I have seen in the league this year.  I would not have guessed that you could play 18 players, none of whom score more than 13 points, and beat Curry by 20!

I am looking forward to the potential of a ENC @ Curry semifinal.  I suspect Curry will not get called for 34 fouls.

Gordon has way too much size for WIT.  If that is the (probable) 2 vs. 3 semifinal, Gordon wins that game 10 times out of 10.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2013, 03:12:13 PM

Add to it that Curry is as close to ENC as Endicott is to Gordon - it can become a real rivalry.  In the past, the trouble has been getting Curry students to show up for their own home game, let alone making the ten minute drive.


There's going to be at least one first round upset, though.  Not sure who - it could be anyone, but it will happen.  Nichols and Salve are both capable of going off on a given night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2013, 11:07:35 AM

Since the tiebreakers aren't public anymore, perhaps Bill can make sure I've got them right:


1. Head to head
2. Results vs conference top to bottom
3. Record vs common non-con opponents
4. Coin flip


I feel like I'm missing one or two steps here.  Is there an overall non-conference record involved somewhere?

I don't think we'll need to go beyond #2 this year, but it's always better to know than not.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on February 14, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
It's been a while since I've seen the breakdown as well but, from what I can remember, I think you have it correct.

Tonight's slate:

SRU @ GC
ENC @ WNEC (rescheduled from 2/9)
UNE @ NC
CC @ EC (rescheduled from 2/9)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2013, 11:00:36 AM

So the top four spots and #8 are set:

1 - Curry
2 - Gordon
3 - WIT
4 - ENC
8 - WNE

Nichols locks down the 5 in every scenario except an NC loss coupled with an SRU win.  Nichols wins every tiebreaker possible.

RWU wins a tiebreaker with Salve - so if RWU wins their game, they get #6.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 16, 2013, 06:45:41 PM
2013 CCC MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE

Quarterfinals • Tuesday, February 19
#8 Western New England (9-16, 7-11) at #1 Curry (18-7, 15-3), 7:00 p.m.
#7 Roger Williams (10-15, 7-11) at #2 Gordon (19-6, 14-4), 7:00 p.m.
#6 Nichols (13-12, 8-10) at #3 Wentworth (15-10, 11-7), 7:00 p.m.
#5 Salve Regina (13-12, 9-9) at #4 Eastern Nazarene (17-8, 11-7), 7:00 p.m.

Semifinals • Thursday, February 21
#1/8 winner vs. #4/5 winner, 7:00 p.m. (at higher seed)
#2/7 winner vs. #3/6 winner, 7:00 p.m. (at higher seed)
Times subject to change in the event of a men's/women's doubleheader

Championship Game • Saturday, February 23
Semifinal Winners, 2:00 p.m. (at higher seed)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 16, 2013, 11:05:28 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on February 16, 2013, 06:45:41 PM
2013 CCC MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE

Quarterfinals • Tuesday, February 19
#8 Western New England (9-16, 7-11) at #1 Curry (18-7, 15-3), 7:00 p.m.
#7 Roger Williams (10-15, 7-11) at #2 Gordon (19-6, 14-4), 7:00 p.m.
#6 Nichols (13-12, 8-10) at #3 Wentworth (15-10, 11-7), 7:00 p.m.
#5 Salve Regina (13-12, 9-9) at #4 Eastern Nazarene (17-8, 11-7), 7:00 p.m.

Semifinals • Thursday, February 21
#1/8 winner vs. #4/5 winner, 7:00 p.m. (at higher seed)
#2/7 winner vs. #3/6 winner, 7:00 p.m. (at higher seed)
Times subject to change in the event of a men's/women's doubleheader

Championship Game • Saturday, February 23
Semifinal Winners, 2:00 p.m. (at higher seed)

Do you mind if I copy this and post it on the conference tournament thread on the multi-region page??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 17, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Not at all
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2013, 09:03:44 PM
I'm a little worried about those last two games. Not great matchups for the home teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on February 19, 2013, 10:03:13 AM
I know that it never makes sense to go chalk in this tournament but I like the home teams tonight.

Curry should take WNEC, although the last time they played in Milton was not a blowout.  WNEC is a scrappy team.  I expect Curry to win by about 10.

RWU has no height and has a zero percent chance of beating Gordon in Wenham.  I would expect the Scots to win by 15+.

The WIT-NC game should be a fun contrast of styles, but I think WIT's homecourt advantage and disciplined style of play will result in a lot of high percentage shots against a weak Nichols defense.

ENC-Salve might be the most fun of the night.  ENC has come a long way this season - I think they will come out with a lot of fire and pull out a close one.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 19, 2013, 12:30:42 PM
End of semester grades:

1. Curry- Malcom Wynn (15-3) Picked: 4th Finished: 1st
Grade: A
Winning the league always gets you an A, plus they only received 1 first place preseason. Coach Wynn has gotten the talent to play together well.

2. Gordon- Tod Muprhy (14-4) Picked: 5 Finished 2
Grade: A
Another net gain of 3 from the preseason poll to where they finished. Murphy always has his guys playing better late in the season!

3. Wentworth Tom Devitt (11-7) Picked :2nd Finished: 3rd
Grade: B
Net -1 but a solid season again for the Leopards who are sneakily one of the most consistent teams around. Still though no signature wins and a few odd losses.

4. Eastern Nazarene- Jim Aller (11-7) Picked: 10th, Finished: 4th
Grade: A+
This is the year the ENC community has been waiting for! Finally a contender! Great job by Coach Aller. Dangerous in the tournament!

5. Salve Regina- Sean Foster (9-9) Picked: 3rd Finished 5h
Grade C+
Minus 3 for the net, but I think the league drastically underestimated the loss of Ryan Birrell

6. Nichols- Jeff Lindgren (6-10) Picked 6 Finished 6
Grade: D
There is a lot of talent there and there stunning lack of defense makes them an easier out than they should be. They need to make improvements next year or make some changes.

7. Roger Williams- Mike Tully (7-11) Picked 7 Finished 7
Grade: D
What happened to this program? Used to be a perennial contender, good school, good location. Not doing much these days

8. Western New England- Mike Thulen (7-11) Picked: 8 Finished 8
Grade: D+
The bottom of this league was picked stunningly well by the coaches. Not much talent here. Need to get on the road recruiting

9. University of New England - Ed Silva (4-14) Picked 9 Finsihed 9
Grade: B+
I'm amazed this team won 4 games. Give Coach Silva some time to recruit and they will be playing for championships in the somewhat near future.

10. Endicott- Phil Rowe (4-14) Picked 1 Finished 10
Grade: F 0.0
How did this happen? This was the defending champion, with 4 starters back. A team that many thought could make a run in the NCAA tournament- and here they are, last in a weak CCC and out of the postseason. Stunning.


Award Picks:
Player of the Year:
Sedale Jones Curry

Rookie of the Year:
Jayen Owens ENC

Coach of the Year:
Jim Aller ENC

Defensive Player of the Year:
Chima Ezigbo ENC

First Team All League
Sedale Jones Curry
Ryan Sheehan Nichols
Lambros Papalambros Curry
Chima Ezigbo ENC
David Dempsey Gordon

Second Team All League
Isaiah Pringle Salve
Colin Johnson WIT
AJ Stephens Curry
John Henault EC
Damon Alston WNEU



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on February 19, 2013, 02:40:11 PM
2012-13 ALL-CCC MEN'S BASKETBALL TEAM

FIRST TEAM
Pos. - Student-Athlete, Institution, Class
F- David Dempsey, Gordon, Senior
F- Chima Ezeigbo, Eastern Nazarene, Senior
G- Sedale Jones, Curry, Senior
G- Derek Mayo, Wentworth, Junior
G- Lambros Papalambros, Curry, Junior
F- Ryan Sheehan, Nichols, Junior

SECOND TEAM
Pos. - Student-Athlete, Institution, Class
G- Lance Greene, Endicott, Senior
G- John Henault, Endicott, Sophomore
F- Hans Miersma, Gordon, Sophomore
G- Isiah Pringle, Salve Regina, Junior
F- A.J. Stephens, Curry, Junior

HONORABLE MENTION
Pos. - Student-Athlete, Institution, Class
G- Damon Alston, Western New England, Senior
G- Colin Johnson, Wentworth, Senior
G- Matt Langadas, Nichols, Sophomore
G- Ryan Palumbo, Roger Williams, Sophomore
G- William Smiley, Salve Regina, Senior
G- Park Thomas, Gordon, Junior

INDIVIDUAL AWARDS
PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Sedale Jones, Curry College
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Hans Miersma, Gordon College
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Jaylen Owens, Eastern Nazarene College
SENIOR SCHOLAR-ATHLETE OF THE YEAR - Lance Greene, Endicott College
COACH OF THE YEAR - Jim Aller, Eastern Nazarene College
TEAM SPORTSMANSHIP AWARD - University of New England
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2013, 08:55:16 PM

Just finished watching ENC beat Salve 78-64.  ENC jumped out to a big early lead, gave up most of it in the second half, but managed to stay about 10 points ahead most of the game.  FTs went down in the end, which kept it from being too dramatic.  The ENC guys were really aggressive on and off the ball.  They're excited.  I have to believe it's even tougher to beat a team three times when it's the best team in the conference, but ENC will be making the ten minute drive over to Milton on Thursday.

Curry beat WNE 76-54.  Alston made a valiant effort, but it was too much.  The big question will be whether or not Curry can get some fans to their own gym.  ENC outnumbered them in the regular season meeting; I can imagine standing room only Thursday.

WIT took out Nichols 73-69.  Sheehan was stymied and Colin Johnson led Wentworth.

Gordon big over RWU 81-59. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on February 20, 2013, 11:12:29 AM
Semis on Thursday.

Gordon will beat WIT by 10-15 pts. 

All eyes on Curry - ENC.  Either way will setup for a fascinating championship game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2013, 07:34:51 PM

ENC is not known for comebacks this year.  You can usually see pretty quickly if they have it or not.  I hate to make assumptions mid-way through the first half, but ENC is not playing well.  In previous meetings ENC has succeeded by limiting Sedale Jones; they're not doing it today.  They've been pretty good with the ball, lots of turnovers already.  Also they're shooting poorly from the arc.  Ezeigbo is in foul trouble and the pace is way too fast.  ENC hasn't been to the line yet.

32-16 Curry with 5 to go in the first half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2013, 07:45:58 PM

45-18 Curry at the half.  Jones is acting like the player of the year and his team is playing with an intensity the ENC freshmen haven't seen yet.  ENC shooting about 25% from the floor, the PGs have a ton of turnovers and even more missed shots.  Not being aggressive in any sense of the word.

I should have gone to watch Salisbury-Wesley tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2013, 07:48:35 PM

Credit the ENC students, though, the Curry play-by-play guys keep referencing how Curry has to take the crowd out of the game.  Way to travel.

I can't get the live stats to work for the Gordon-WIT game, but they gave an update on the Curry broadcast that GC was up 15ish.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2013, 08:49:56 PM

ENC down only 11 with 2 minutes to play.  Sedale just fouled out.  Improbable comeback?  Yes.


Reverse jinx.  Reverse jinx.  Reverse jinx.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2013, 08:52:44 PM

Now Ezeigbo fouls out.  Curry by 7 with 1:47 to go.  Papalambros just missed two FTs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2013, 09:08:53 PM

Curry wins 82-76.  ENC scored 58 second half points to make a game of it.  Valiant effort.

Gordon at Curry Saturday night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on February 22, 2013, 11:02:29 AM
Congrats to ENC - great season
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on February 22, 2013, 11:20:37 AM
This will be a great championship and the first time in my memory where I would say that two of the top ten teams in New England are playing each other for the NCAA bid.  It is interesting that the quality of the league as a whole seems down, given the strength of the top two teams. 

I think Curry has to hope for a tightly officiated game where they continue to enjoy their usual advantage at the FT line.  If Miersma comes out assertively as he did last night against WIT, and does not get in foul trouble, Gordon will win the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 22, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
There is 0 chance on planet earth that Gordon is one of the 10 best teams in New England... They've played exactly one good team all year in MIT who beat them, they've lost to Curry (twice) and they lost to UNE. The following teams are all better than Gordon:

Amherst
Williams
Middlebury
Tufts
RIC
East Conn
Keene
Albertus
Anna Maria
WPI
Springfield
MIT
Babson
Brandeis
Curry
and maybe Westfield and MCLA

thats just the eye test, looking at the regional rankings:
1 Amherst 23-2 23-2
2 WPI 23-2 23-2
3 Williams 20-3 22-3
4 Rhode Island College 22-3 22-3
5 Middlebury 19-2 22-2
6 MIT 19-4 20-4
7 Springfield 18-7 18-7
8 Brandeis 17-7 17-7
9 Curry 18-7 18-7
10 Westfield State 19-4 21-4
11 Eastern Connecticut 18-4 18-7
12 Tufts 16-5 17-8

I don't see Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on February 22, 2013, 01:01:18 PM
Yeah, it is always hard to compare d3 teams because that don't play each other and don't have many common opponents.  I'm not really arguing that they should be in the regional rankings - their conference is too weak and they didn't play well in non-con.

However, Gordon has won 19 of 21 albeit in a down year for the league.  I expect them to win tomorrow on the road against a team that is in the top ten in the regional rankings.  I'm not arguing about resume - just saying that if the game was tomorrow I would expect them to beat Curry, or the likes of Brandeis, Springfield, Babson, Anna Maria, WPI, Keene.

Certainly debatable and we'll see what happens on Saturday - and whoever wins, we'll see if they look like they belong in the first round of the NCAAs.  My larger point was that it is an odd year in the historically balanced CCC - you have two teams playing excellent basketball and eight that, with all respect to ENC, WIT, etc. really struggle
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2013, 01:07:04 PM

I picked Gordon to win the tournament.  They're much, much better than they were in November.  They're playing great.  Curry was better in November than they are now.  They're still damn tough and super talented, but they wouldn't be pushing Amherst today the way they did earlier in the year.  I don't know what the difference is.  Unless Wynn can reclaim some of that (which we saw a glimpse of in the first half last night), it's going to be a Gordon win.  Not saying it won't happen, but the trajectories are going in the opposite direction.

The big saving element for Curry is that they're the only team in the CCC that matches up well against Gordon.  Should be a great game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2013, 04:22:48 PM

Curry over Gordon 69-63.  It looks like Gordon managed to slow the overall pace of the game down, but Sedale Jones really turned it on - 23 points on 9-18 shooting.  Dempsey, with 22 and 12 tried to keep it close, but it was not enough.

Congrats to Coach Wynn and Curry and hopefully they can be the one to break through the national tournament win barrier.  They should get a decent seed given their regional ranking.  Who knows?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 24, 2013, 09:18:50 AM
as usual: soft doesn't win.

Curry too tough- congrats on the title
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on February 25, 2013, 12:04:11 PM
Congrats to Curry.  They played well enough to win, and as Hoops Fan said, definitely do match up well against Gordon.  They did a nice job spreading the floor and taking advantage of their athleticism vs. Gordon's height.

Neither team was great, but Curry seemed to come out of the gate with significantly more urgency than the Scots.  Sedale Jones made a number of great individual plays and looked like the PoY.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2013, 02:46:54 PM

Curry will be heading up to Vermont on Saturday to take on Middlebury.

I feel like they got a much tougher first round game than they deserved.  Regionally ranked the whole way through and all.

If Curry plays locked down (which they've yet to do for a whole game this year) they can compete.  They proved they could hang with Amherst in a scoring race early in the year - they're going to run into one of the more efficient teams on both sides of the ball in d3.  The turnovers that come with Curry's aggressiveness will have to be prevented.

It will take their best possible game to win.  I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: middhoops on March 01, 2013, 08:05:18 PM
An old Middlebury fan, I came here to see some optimistic entries on behalf of Curry.  Apparently, we Midd fans have more fear of your conference winner than you have faith in them.
You might check out the NESCAC board to see the over/under on how many free throws Sedale Jones will take in the game, among other statistical trivia.
Not that I want Curry to win, but if they do:  I hope you gain followers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2013, 09:29:31 AM
Quote from: middhoops on March 01, 2013, 08:05:18 PM
An old Middlebury fan, I came here to see some optimistic entries on behalf of Curry.  Apparently, we Midd fans have more fear of your conference winner than you have faith in them.
You might check out the NESCAC board to see the over/under on how many free throws Sedale Jones will take in the game, among other statistical trivia.
Not that I want Curry to win, but if they do:  I hope you gain followers.

The CCC board has been effectively dead this year.  Even when it wasn't, we rarely had posters from Curry (and when we did, they were players and coaches).  Based on attendance during the playoffs, it seems like Curry is actually starting to support its basketball team, so perhaps there will be more in the future.

I'll be interested to know how many fans they bring to Middlebury - please let us know your estimate.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2013, 12:01:02 AM

Curry made a valiant comeback effort at Middlebury, but fell two points short.  AJ Stephens lead the way with a 20-10 night.

CCC season is over until November.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2013, 07:07:47 AM

Wentworth is getting a new coach.  Devitt really improved recruiting there in his tenure and built the program into a pretty decent shape.  Not the easiest place to get basketball players.  We'll see how the search for a replacement goes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 11, 2013, 02:18:57 PM
Arlen Galloway is the new WIT coach.  Former assistant at Middlebury and coming from a stint assisting at Cornell.  Good pedigree.  NH kid.

I will not hold it against him that he's three years younger than me, although it hurts.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on October 20, 2013, 08:41:37 PM
New follower of the CCC.  Are there any regular posters?  Who are the teams to watch this year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on October 20, 2013, 09:19:57 PM
Should be an interesting year in the CCC

Gordon should be very strong, well coached and solid returning players

Curry loses some firepower but Coach Wynn always has something up his sleeve

Endicott probably has the most talent in the league, but they did last year and won 9 games.

The kid coach at Nicholls is in way over his head. They won't be much of a threat.

Salve is always a team to be contended with, strong recruiting class and a great coach.

RWU supposedly brought in a great class...they need it badly.

ENC made great strides last year, will depend on bringing in better players to take a leap.

WNEU should still be down.

UNE may not have the horses yet, but Ed Silva is a great coach. They wlll be good soon.

Wentworth lost an excellent coach in Tom Devitt and rumor has it he finally had enough of their AD, they bungled it pretty badly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ronk on October 20, 2013, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on October 20, 2013, 09:19:57 PM
Should be an interesting year in the CCC

Gordon should be very strong, well coached and solid returning players

Curry loses some firepower but Coach Wynn always has something up his sleeve

Endicott probably has the most talent in the league, but they did last year and won 9 games.

The kid coach at Nicholls is in way over his head. They won't be much of a threat.

Salve is always a team to be contended with, strong recruiting class and a great coach.

RWU supposedly brought in a great class...they need it badly.

ENC made great strides last year, will depend on bringing in better players to take a leap.

WNEU should still be down.

UNE may not have the horses yet, but Ed Silva is a great coach. They wlll be good soon.

Wentworth lost an excellent coach in Tom Devitt and rumor has it he finally had enough of their AD, they bungled it pretty badly.

  I didn't know Coach Silva had left Elms; Scranton played his Elms' team in the 2008 NCAA and while I thought Scranton had the better talent, the relentless full court pressure of Elms used up most of the play clock and the players' energy so that there was little left in the tank for the final 10 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2013, 02:02:25 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on October 20, 2013, 09:19:57 PM
Should be an interesting year in the CCC

Gordon should be very strong, well coached and solid returning players

Curry loses some firepower but Coach Wynn always has something up his sleeve

Endicott probably has the most talent in the league, but they did last year and won 9 games.

The kid coach at Nicholls is in way over his head. They won't be much of a threat.

Salve is always a team to be contended with, strong recruiting class and a great coach.

RWU supposedly brought in a great class...they need it badly.

ENC made great strides last year, will depend on bringing in better players to take a leap.

WNEU should still be down.

UNE may not have the horses yet, but Ed Silva is a great coach. They wlll be good soon.

Wentworth lost an excellent coach in Tom Devitt and rumor has it he finally had enough of their AD, they bungled it pretty badly.

Yeah, although it may have been a mutual parting at WIT, I'm pretty sure both parties wanted to stay with the other one gone.  They brought in an assistant from Middlebury.  Not sure if that will help with recruiting or not.  WIT is not the easiest place to get basketball players.  We'll see.

I was up in New England this weekend.  I heard good things about Gordon.  Once they get that perimeter defense fully implemented, they're usually quite competitive.

I did hear Isaiah Pringle from Salve will be out for the season - so that should slow them up quite a bit.

ENC brought in a talented group of kids, but they'll still be almost exclusively freshmen and sophomores.  The pace and defense should be fun to watch, but they'll have to work real hard if they find themselves in a half-court game - a couple undersized guys with length, but no real post presence.

Shaping up to be a great season like always.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 05, 2013, 03:39:43 PM
Looks like Gordon has their roster up, new faces, 5'-7" Guard from Portland, ME that was on a good Maine HS team but was at best a 3rd option, a 6'-5" Forward from Spaulding HS in NH and two guards from Estonia.  Is this a new recruiting pipeline?  Gordon has had a handful of foreign players over the years but they were either not good enough to get playing time, very good individual players with not team ability, or had problems staying eligable for various reasons.  Anyone have any word on these two Estonians?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2013, 07:56:54 AM

Gordon is opening the season down this way, but I don't think I'm going to be able to see them.  I can't justify two weekend trips to the "mainland" and I'm definitely going to the Hoopsville Tournament.

I hadn't heard anything spectacular out of Gordon, but things have been relatively quiet this summer.  In fact the only things I've heard about Gordon this summer is that the recruiting trail has been rough for them of late.  Maybe this is a new Baltic pipeline, who knows?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2013, 08:00:14 AM

ENC took a pre-season trip to Hawaii, played an exhibition with Hawaii Pacific and did some scrimmaging with Chaminade.  There is a box score from the HP game, looks like the starters played almost the whole game.  Hawaii Pacific is not a world beater, but they're decent and have a lot of height (6'9", 6'11").  ENC did ok against them, even staging a second half comeback.  I suspect it was too early in the season for the newcomers to get much PT, but maybe the trip will be good for chemistry.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2013, 08:30:54 AM

Curry's roster has six freshmen and a transfer (I assume).  It'll be interesting to see how they spread the scoring around this year.

EC has a roster up, but there's only 10 players on it, no newcomers and also missing three of their junior co-captains from last year (Magee, Knowlton, and Burkhardt).  Let's hope, for their sake, someone forgot to input all the names.  Wow.

Only two freshman on the roster for Nichols.  They should have pretty much the same team, minus Kuntz.

No roster yet from RWU.

Salve's got three freshmen listed, but Pringle is out for the year (no word on if he'll take a medical redshirt and come back).  Who knows what they'll look like.

UNE has a ton of freshmen listed, but only a couple with assigned numbers and stats - I wonder if they're making cuts still?

WIT has five freshmen listed - three very small guards (5'8", 147 really?), a big guard and an undersized forward.

A couple of freshmen guards at WNE.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2013, 07:01:26 AM

Alright, curtain goes up tomorrow:

WIT vs Emmanuel @ Emerson
EC vs Fisher @ Wheaton
RWU hosts Mt. Ida
SRU @ J&W
NC @ Lasell
GC @ Goucher


I'd love to get over and see Gordon tomorrow, but the hour drive and an $8 toll might make that less appealing.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jamiejohn on November 14, 2013, 01:18:49 PM
Roger Williams and Endicott's roster are now up.

Still no preseason poll

http://www.rwuhawks.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&
http://www.ecgulls.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/roster
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2013, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: jamiejohn on November 14, 2013, 01:18:49 PM
Roger Williams and Endicott's roster are now up.

Still no preseason poll

http://www.rwuhawks.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&
http://www.ecgulls.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/roster

Both teams bringing in a large freshman class with some size to boot.

They just changed the table from 2012-2013 to 2013-2014 today, so maybe the coach's poll is coming soon.

Also, anyone close to the program want to fill me in on how Endicott has grown so fast?  Twenty years ago they were a two year school with like 500 (all female) students.  Now they've got almost 3,000 students, a huge, beautiful campus, and a $50m endowment.  They're drawing athletes nationally on a pretty regular basis.  It's impressive, I'm just not sure where it all comes from.  Is there a big donor out there?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on November 15, 2013, 09:58:07 AM
Preseason poll...

2013-14 CCC Men's Basketball Preseason Coaches' Poll


Team   Points (First Place Votes)
1.   Gordon   90 (4)
2.   Curry   89 (4)
3.   Endicott   81 (2)
4.   Nichols     64
5.   Salve Regina  51
6.   Eastern Nazarene  49
T7.   Roger Williams  40
T7.   Wentworth   40
9.   University of New England  28
10.   Western New England             18

http://cccathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20131114pf4ht3
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: marketherrien on November 15, 2013, 03:58:19 PM
A cheap plug if you will -

The Worcester Area College Basketball (coaches) Association revived its awards program last year and, for the second consecutive year, is  complimented with a Twitter account - @WACBAHoops https://twitter.com/wacbahoops (https://twitter.com/wacbahoops)

The feed features daily news, scores, recaps and more for all nine NCAA men's and women's basketball programs in Worcester County: Anna Maria, Assumption (DII), Becker, Clark, Fitchburg State, Holy Cross (DI), Nichols, WPI and Worcester State.

Matt Noonan (@NoontimeSports), as heard on Hoopsville, selects the weekly men's and women's players of the week and an honor roll for each gender. Along with the weekly release there will be standings and statistical leaders for points, rebounds and assists. Both will are slated to be released on Monday afternoons.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 15, 2013, 04:15:49 PM
Gordon updated their roster, no surprise (at least not to me) the Estonian's are no longer listed.  Looks like Udoka Obiora is a new addition, 6-5 SO F from Boston Trinity.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2013, 08:25:44 PM

WIT wins 88-71, ran away in the second half.  Led by Freshman PG Jherson Colon 21 and 9 (and he shoots threes).  They played seven guys, double figures for five of them - Derek Mayo not among them.  Emmanuel doesn't tell us much, but could be better than we thought.

EC beat Fisher 89-78.  Magee didn't play.  They got 23 off the bench from their freshman PG, Kamahl Walker.  They played nine guys, Kneece was on the bench and, as I said, Magee didn't even play.  the talent always seems to be there, let's see if they can keep it together this year.

RWU lost to Mt Ida in OT 88-87.  No boxscore yet.

The other three teams are all winning in the second half.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2013, 09:24:44 PM

Salve manages to hold on at Johnson & Wales.  Took a big lead in the first half and gave most of it back in the second.  I caught about two minutes of this game on the webcast, but had to turn it off due to nausea.  They got 23 from Barrett Hanlon who I think is a transfer from Bentley (another high scoring, new PG in the league).  Maybe he can pick up the Pringle slack?

Nichols took out Lasell.  37 from Sheehan.  No one eats up the non-con like that guy.  Wow.

Gordon is getting hosed by Goucher with a minute to play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2013, 09:32:17 PM

Gordon goes down at Goucher.  Glad I didn't drive over to see that one.  Up 10 at the half, the Scots gave up 51 points in the second period to lose by 13.  Miersma and Jason Dempsey had double doubles.  Poor shooting and losing the turnover battle 21-5 will do that for you.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2013, 09:34:44 PM

Eight teams play tomorrow, but a lot of opponents depend on later games tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2013, 09:48:20 AM

RWU hosts Vassar
ENC @ Wheelock
GC vs Roanoke @ Goucher
EC @ Wheaton
UNE vs Daniel Webster - it's a tournament; I didn't look up the location
CC @ Brandeis
WIT vs Framingham @ Emerson
WNE vs Suffolk @ Conn Coll
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2013, 03:49:39 PM

ENC beat Wheelock to open the season.  They played their starters almost the whole game.  Hopefully they can work in some of the bench more consistently as the season goes along, although they are well conditioned, you don't want to rely on just five guys the whole year.  I don't know what kind of size Wheelock has, but an undersized ENC team took the rebounding battle pretty handily and hit a ton of FTs.  20 and 10 for Jaylen Owens, plus 5 assists and 4 steals.

RWU goes down to Vassar by ten.  This could be a long year for Roger Williams.

EC and GC both in close games near halftime.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2013, 07:52:12 PM

After opening weekend, no one really looks great yet.  Endicott won two games over bad teams.  Lots of losses.  I'm not sure we know much yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2013, 06:44:18 AM

Eight games tonight and I'd say everyone but Endicott and ENC are underdogs:

EC hosts Lesley
ENC hosts Suffolk
RWU @ J&W
CC hosts WPI
WNE @ Springfield
GC @ MIT
SRU hosts ConnColl
UNE hosts Southern Maine
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on November 19, 2013, 09:35:50 PM
Final in Newport

Salve Regina   68
Conn College  34

Nice start to the season for SRC 2-0.  There next six games are on the road.  Not home again until January 2.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
Curry lost by 20 to a WPI team missing their best player.

Endicott beat Lesley 80-70.  John Henault had 17 rebounds and some dude from Lesley hit 7 of 9 threes.

RWU lost by five to J&W.  Threes weren't falling, but they actually seemed to play pretty well, at least on offense - they gave up a lot of big numbers to the chefs.

WNE got trounced by Springfield 69-95.  Only five turnovers for WNE - that's about the only good thing I can say.

Gordon 48-67 MIT.  Double-double for Miersma, lots of minutes for the bench.

ENC best Suffolk pretty handily.  16 guys got minutes - they even rebounded well.  Wow.

So apparently Connecticut College is awful.  Salve wins 68-34.  Not a typo.  Hanlon had 16 and 7.  Freshman, Nicholas Bates with a double double off the bench.

Southern Maine over UNE by 12.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 20, 2013, 11:39:26 AM
Interesting notes from Todd Murphy at Gordon:

"We started practice over a month ago now and I think the best description that I can give for this preseason is tumultuous.  During the summer months we had comprised a recruiting class of seven players to add to our 13 returning players to make up a roster of 20. That is more than I traditionally like to carry on a team, but our walk-ons from previous seasons have earned the right to be a part of the team so we will work with it.

To make a long story short, we began our season this past Friday with a trip to Baltimore for a tournament and only 14 players made the trip. Many factors came into play to lower that number that much, but we are still very happy about the players remaining on the team and we still have a lot of confidence going into the season."

Could be an interesting season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on November 20, 2013, 10:28:01 PM
Eastern Connecticut  83
Nichols                       68

Nichols hung around for 30 minutes but too many fouls and too many turnovers allowed Eastern to pull away.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2013, 07:02:39 AM
Quote from: warriorcat on November 20, 2013, 10:28:01 PM
Eastern Connecticut  83
Nichols                       68

Nichols hung around for 30 minutes but too many fouls and too many turnovers allowed Eastern to pull away.


Looks like the typical Nichols story.  Shut down Sheehan and you got a good chance.  Nice to see an impressive stat line from Sam Horning off the bench, though - 15 and 8, great shooting percentages, no turnovers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2013, 07:03:52 AM

WIT @ Clark
WNE @ Lyndon
SRU @ Wheaton
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on November 21, 2013, 10:14:04 PM
Salve Regina 74
Wheaton 58

Solid team effort.

Next five games on the road.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2013, 10:43:27 PM

Nice to have more people posting regularly.


WIT gets trounced by Clark.  They lost the second half by 21 points (only scoring 17).  New coach is still messing with the line-up.  Not looking good right now.

Salve's looking good.  This Hanlon kid was a great pick-up.  Imagine if they had Pringle.  Wow.

WNE beat Lyndon State, which tells us all of nothing.  Zack Askew went for 20 and 16.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2013, 10:47:41 PM
Friday

ENC hosts Johnson State
GC hosts Worcester State
EC plays Wheelock at the Rivier Tournament
NC plays Mass-Boston at the Amherst Tournament

Saturday

NC and EC both plays TBD at their respective tournament locations.
WNE hosts Clark
CC hosts MIT (who lost big tonight)
WIT @ Tufts (which will be an ugly loss)
UNE hosts Bates
ENC hosts New England College
RWU hosts Coast Guard
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2013, 01:41:44 PM

The CCC went 4-0 last night, admittedly against pretty poor competition, but a good showing nonetheless.  Eight game today and there's really no way we're not suffering some losses.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2013, 09:21:26 PM

WNE beat Clark, a pleasant surprise (matching double-doubles from Rinaldi and deFeo).  Endicott, however, lost to Rivier - a head-scratcher for sure.  Magee is on the roster, but hasn't played yet.  Is he hurt again?

Curry hung close with MIT, but MIT may not be as good this season as they've been recently.  Curry played 8 guys, no AJ Stephens, but Antionio Jones had 16 off the bench.

WIT lost to Tufts by 11.  I was at the Hoopsville tournament this weekend and Middlebury's coach said Tufts was the NESCAC team to watch this year.  I have to think this is a good result for Wentworth.  They got 27 from Ronnie Turner who is a sophomore who didn't play last year (and I can't find any school where he played last year).

UNE loses big to Bates; ENC beat NEC pretty handily.  Nichols got trounced by Amherst, but managed to score 84.

Roger Williams loses by one to Coast Guard at home.  Not great.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on November 26, 2013, 07:49:34 PM
Salve Regina 64
Coast Guard 48

A slow start for Salve.  They only led by one at the half.  They outscored  CGA 16-1 during a nine minute stretch in the second half to pull away with their fourth win of the season, the first 4-0 start in school history.  Dineen (21) and Hanlon (19) led the Seahawks in scoring who shot 51% from the field for the game while holding CGA to 31% shooting.

Salve will have its work cut out for it in their next game.  They play at Division 1 Bryant on Saturday at 1:00 pm.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2013, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: warriorcat on November 26, 2013, 07:49:34 PM
Salve Regina 64
Coast Guard 48

A slow start for Salve.  They only led by one at the half.  They outscored  CGA 16-1 during a nine minute stretch in the second half to pull away with their fourth win of the season, the first 4-0 start in school history.  Dineen (21) and Hanlon (19) led the Seahawks in scoring who shot 51% from the field for the game while holding CGA to 31% shooting.

Salve will have its work cut out for it in their next game.  They play at Division 1 Bryant on Saturday at 1:00 pm.

When did Bryant move up to d1?  Also, Salve's new PG was at Bryant last year (I think) - should be an interesting sub-plot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2013, 11:11:44 AM

Salve at Bryant on Saturday and Nichols at Husson on Sunday, then it's right into the conference schedule.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on November 27, 2013, 01:36:58 PM
Bryant began the five year reclassification process in 2007.  Its teams became eligible for NCAA Division 1 tournament play in the Fall of 2012.  They are mambers of the Northeast Conference.

Barrett Hanlon is a transfer from Div 2 Bentley.  He played in one game (less than a minute) during his freshman year. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2013, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on November 27, 2013, 01:36:58 PM
Bryant began the five year reclassification process in 2007.  Its teams became eligible for NCAA Division 1 tournament play in the Fall of 2012.  They are mambers of the Northeast Conference.

Barrett Hanlon is a transfer from Div 2 Bentley.  He played in one game (less than a minute) during his freshman year.


Maybe that was my confusion.  If it's not d3, I know really nothing about it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on November 30, 2013, 04:19:57 PM
Salve Regina 55
Bryant           82

As expected, Bryant handled Salve easily this afternoon.  The Seahawks played hard but they were no match for the D-I Bulldogs. 

Salve begins League play on Tuesday with a trip to Wentworth. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2013, 02:40:51 PM
Nichols looked bad losing to Husson, but they may have found a second scorer, which could be helpful in conference play... which coincidentally begins Wednesday:

UNE @ ENC
SRU @ WIT
RWU @ NC
CC @ WNE
EC @ GC


Big rivalry game in Wenham to start the year.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2013, 08:49:52 PM

ENC beat UNE 69-61.  Certainly a lot closer than I expected.  ENC hit most of their FTs down the stretch to keep it from being truly exciting.  ENC struggled on the boards, which will likely be a theme with them this year.  UNE shot well from deep.  Jeremy Wagner played only 10 minutes for ENC - I'll have to check, but likely an injury - that's not going to help them any.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2013, 09:10:55 PM

Nichols crushed Roger Williams 81-51.  21 from Sheehan, but nobody on NC played a lot of minutes.  Ugly, ugly game.  RWU might be really bad.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2013, 09:15:01 PM

Curry beats WNE 68-61.  26 points for Ribeiro of Curry.  Still, lots of unknowns in the CCC this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2013, 09:19:40 PM

Salve over Wentworth.  Salve doesn't seem to be missing Pringle all that much.

Gordon managed to beat Endicott 68-66.  Magee played, but only seven minutes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on December 04, 2013, 09:24:25 PM
Salve Regina beat Wentworth 61-53.  Pretty good team effort for the Seahawks.  Four players in double figures led by Hohlfelder's 16.  Hanlon played a key role in finally putting the game away for Salve.  He was the glue that kept his team together tonight.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2013, 08:41:35 AM

Tomorrow we get the last round of conference games before Christmas:

GC @ NC
ENC @ EC
CC @ WIT
SRU @ RWU
WNE @ UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: amh63 on December 06, 2013, 04:42:41 PM
Hoops Fan....need to let me know why you are all over this conference! :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2013, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: amh63 on December 06, 2013, 04:42:41 PM
Hoops Fan....need to let me know why you are all over this conference!

It's my conference.  And almost no one else posts.  So, in essence, this is my board.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2013, 03:03:56 PM

Home teams win early.  Nichols over Gordon 78-72.  Sheehan with 23 - he got to the FT line a lot.  Four guys in double figures for Gordon, including a 16-14 night for Miersma.  He may run wild this season without a ton of big men around the league.

ENC finally loses - a heartbreaker 77-78 at Endicott.  Jeremy Wagner played for ENC, but only 17, relatively unproductive minutes - something is up there.  Eric Lynch played only two minutes, but somehow took 6 shots.  Anyway - they got 21 from Owens and double digits from two guys off the bench.  EC won the rebound battle, but it was closer than I would have expected.  Double-double for Daquan Sampson.  None of the vets played more than 22 minutes.  Strange doings in Beverly this season, but they'll be happy for the win.

The other three games are all tipping off right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on December 07, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
Salve Regina pulls out a close win at Roger Williams 83-79.  RWU led most of the game and had a 14 point lead with 8:07 left in the game.  Barrett Hanlon who was in foul trouble in the first half, scored all 21 of his points in the second half to lead the Seahawks back.  Jeff Bielefeld kept Salve in the game in the first half.  He finished the game with 20 points and 10 rebounds.  Three other Seahawks scored in double figures.  Ryan Palumbo (24) and Travis Fonseca  (16) were the Hawks leading scorers.  For most of this game Roger Williams was the better team and they probably deserved to win the game today.  A 40-27 rebound margin in favor of SRU was a factor.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2013, 09:27:15 PM

Wentworth beat up Curry pretty good, 72-59.  Curry just cannot rebound the basketball.  They gave WIT an extra dozen possessions.  Neither team played well, but it is what it is.  Curry got 18 from Rodney Beldo? another new face.

UNE miraculously pulled out a win, any win.  Taking down WNE in Maine, 66-62.  21 total FTs in this game, 44 threes.  Both teams actually seemed to play pretty well.  Perhaps UNE is just figuring themselves out a bit.

An interesting season continues to be more so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on December 10, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
Tough loss for Salve Regina at Rhode Island College. The final 80-67 was not indicative of how close the Seahawks played the Anchormen. SRU trailed by two at the half but took a seven point lead midway through the second half and led until the five minute mark.  The last two minutes saw multiple three point misses by Salve and numerous foul shots by RIC.  Three players in double figures for SRU - Hanlon 20, Dineen 16, Bielefeld 14.  25 turnovers for the Seahawks were the key statistic in the game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2013, 09:12:47 PM

Roger Williams lost as well, although they did try to come back at the end.  I think there's only one more game until Christmas, but I don't remember who it is - Nichols, maybe?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on December 10, 2013, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 10, 2013, 09:12:47 PM

Roger Williams lost as well, although they did try to come back at the end.  I think there's only one more game until Christmas, but I don't remember who it is - Nichols, maybe?

Lesley vs. Gordon December 14 @ 3 PM.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2014, 08:00:41 AM

To catch us up:

Endicott won the Salem State holiday tournament.

UNE got crushed by Lycoming and Misericordia.

WIT lost to a surprisingly frisky Vassar squad, before trouncing Maine-Ft Kent.

Curry beat Wesleyan on the road.


There are six games on the schedule today; I suspect a few of them (cough, UMPI traveling to ENC) might be postponed or outright cancelled due to weather.

If it does happen, Salve hosting Middlebury could be very interesting.  It will really give us a good picture of where SRU is right now.

The Conference schedule picks up again on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 02, 2014, 08:31:30 PM
Big win for Salve against Middlebury this afternoon.  Down by three at the half, they hung tough and earned a hard fought win against one of the elite programs in the region.  Barrett Hanlon was once again the glue that kept the Seahawks together.  If not for some terrible free throw shooting in the last two minutes (six straight misses) they would have won going away.  Now the Conference schedule lies ahead and there will be no one not being ready for them.  Good luck against Nichols on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2014, 08:45:05 PM
Big win. The 'what if' of Pringle's injury is becoming more and more interesting every game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2014, 10:09:03 PM

Tomorrow:

WIT @ GC
NC @ SRU
UNE @ EC
WNE @ RWU
ENC @ CC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 04, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
A different story for Salve today although the same result.  They fell behind Nichols with nearly nine minutes remaining in the first half and did not regain the until there were five minutes left in the game.   When they took the lead for good with 3:24 left they closed the game out with great defense ( 4 pts and no Nichols' field goals in the final 4:54) and excellent free throw shooting (8-9 in last five minutes).  It was great to see them not let down after their win over Middlebury on Thursday. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2014, 09:03:10 AM

Endicott had to go to OT to beat UNE.  Either UNE picked up some players for second semester or EC's chemistry woes are rearing their heads again.

ENC with a big win over Curry.  I did not expect a score like that.  They are very likely for real.

At this point, though, you have to have Salve as big conference favorites, with Endicott the challengers if they pull it together.  We'll see how they match up tomorrow:

SRU @ EC
WIT @ UNE
NC @ CC
RWU @ ENC
GC @ WNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 07, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
Congratulations to Endicott on their win over Salve tonight in Beverly.  Even though they fell behind by as many as 12 points early in the first half they scratched their way to a 35-35 tie at the half and took over the game in the second half pushing their lead to as many as 12 points but not allowing Salve closer than five.  An outstanding shooting performance by John Henault who led all scorers with 26 points.  He was 9-13 from the field including 6-7 from beyond the arc.  Each of those three pointers seemed to stop Seahawk rallys late in the game.  Salve's top three scorers Dinneen (23), Hanlon (18), and Bielefeld (17) once again lead the visitors.

So after tonight's games there is now five teams tied for first in the Conference at 3-1.  Every night will be a battle.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 09, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
Salve Regina improved to 9-3 , 4-1 in the CCC, with a 69-59 win over UNE.  Not a particularly impressive performance over a gutsy UNE squad.  The top three scorers once again led the Seahawks - Hanlon 18  Dineen 16 (4-5 from beyond the arc) Bielefeld 14 with 12 rebs. 

Updated Standings

Eastern Nazarene             4-1
Endicott                             4-1
Nichols                               4-1
Salve Regina                      4-1
Gordon                               3-2
Wentworth                         3-2
Curry                                  1-4
Roger Williams                    1-4
U of New England               1-4
Western New England        0-5
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2014, 01:11:54 AM

Yeah, some interesting results this week.  I've been offline for most of it - I blew out my a/c adapter with static electricity on Monday night.  I'm impressed with some of these results - I didn't expect ENC to take both games.  We seem to be seeing a demarcation between the top six and the bottom four.  It will be interesting to see if anyone's fortunes turn around.  There's still a long way to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 11, 2014, 07:15:09 PM
Good back and forth game between Gordon and Salve this afternoon.  This was my first look at Miersma and Thomas and they are both special players.  Gordon did what they needed to to win today.  I was wondering when poor free throw shooting would cost Salve a game.

What a stunning result in Springfield - WNEC 79  Eastern Nazarene  76 ! 

This is going to be a very competitive league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 11, 2014, 07:15:09 PM

What a stunning result in Springfield - WNEC 79  Eastern Nazarene  76 ! 

Well, it looks like ENC's lack of height finally came back to bite them.  Rinaldi had 22 and 17 and got to the line a lot.  Foul trouble for ENC (WNE shot 36 FTs), plus poor shooting on their end (under 40% overall).  Bad combination.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 11, 2014, 10:11:01 PM
As a new follower to the CCC it looks like a very competitive group of teams.  When a 0-5 team beats a 4-1 team anything can happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 12, 2014, 03:17:02 PM
WNEC is better than their record shows. They were in the Curry and UNE games to the final minute and refused to let Nichols stomp  on their throats to until the last minute of the game. They could easily be 3-3 right now. Rinaldi and Askew are two of the top forwards in the league their issue is that they don't have any guard play. When they can get any production out of their guards, like they did yesterday against ENC they can be a tough team to beat.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 12, 2014, 03:30:02 PM
Thanks for the insight on WNEC.  It seems that very few of the games in the Conference have been blowouts and that the records do not necessarily dictate what will happen on any given night. 

On a separate note,  I got to see Zach Askew a number of times during his post graduate year.  He is a great young man and a good student.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 15, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
Salve held off ENC on the road for a crucial 78-69 victory.  Good free throw shooting down the stretch allowed Salve to win comfortably.  A weird 7 point trip (three point play, two technical free throws, and a basket) at the 3:13 mark allowed ENC to trim a nine point Salve lead to two.  The Seahawks outscored the Lions 12-5 (6-6 from the line) in the final three minutes to close it out.  Once again, every Conference game is a battle and the teams stay bunched at the top.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2014, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 15, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
Salve held off ENC on the road for a crucial 78-69 victory.  Good free throw shooting down the stretch allowed Salve to win comfortably.  A weird 7 point trip (three point play, two technical free throws, and a basket) at the 3:13 mark allowed ENC to trim a nine point Salve lead to two.  The Seahawks outscored the Lions 12-5 (6-6 from the line) in the final three minutes to close it out.  Once again, every Conference game is a battle and the teams stay bunched at the top.

ENC is really going to struggle without stronger rebounding.  I think they can overcome a bad shooting night, but not without some boards.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2014, 05:01:11 PM

Just watched the second half of the ENC-Gordon game.  The feed cut off with about 10 seconds left, GC up and shooting FTs.  This is the longest stretch I've seen ENC play since December.  Their defense really seemed quite tentative most of the game and their FT shooting seems to be getting worse.

I know conference play is a lot tougher than their relatively easy non-conference schedule, but they could be in or win some of these games if they played the whole game with the intensity they show in the final three or four minutes.  Rebounding will always be a weakness and post play was pretty lopsided today, but it doesn't have to be the difference maker for them.

Gordon gets a lot of credit.  They played smart ball and seemed to hit big shots every time ENC was starting to build momentum.

Good game.  We'll see how these two teams evolve over the next month.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 18, 2014, 05:38:58 PM
I had the same feeling about Gordon when I watched them against Salve.  They may end up being the team to beat by the time the season ends.  However, they need to have their two key players - Miersma and Thomas- on the court.  Foul trouble or injury to either one would be very hard for them to overcome.

In somewhat the same light, I followed the Salve-Curry game this afternoon.  I use the word follow because there was no video feed.  Live stats are better than nothing but it is hard to assess what is going on. Salve led by as many as 19 in the first half and gave all of it away in the end.  They put things together enough to win by two in overtime but Curry had the ball with two seconds and turned the ball over.  Barrett Hanlon, who has been the key player for Salve all season, started the game today but he came out after the first four minutes and made a three minute appearance in the second half.  I do not know if it was because of an injury, illness, or coach's decision but Salve is not the same team without him on the floor.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 22, 2014, 10:26:52 PM
Interesting result from tonight

Roger Williams defeats Gordon 68-52 in Wentham.  I did not see this coming.

Also, Curry defeated UNE 76-71
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2014, 06:44:11 AM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 22, 2014, 10:26:52 PM
Interesting result from tonight

Roger Williams defeats Gordon 68-52 in Wentham.  I did not see this coming.

Also, Curry defeated UNE 76-71

A couple of games got postponed by the weather.  I assume they'll play them tonight.  Well, two of them tonight.  The ENC-Nichols game will be Feb 6.

Gordon is very beatable if you have the bodies to match them down low.  Salve looks like the best team so far, but any of these top seven (maybe eight) can win on any night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 23, 2014, 10:49:44 PM
Western New England   63   Salve Regina   58

I did not get the chance to see the game but in looking at the box score a few things stand out to me

1) Salve had a 12 point half time lead
2) WNE outscored them 32-15 in the second half - Salve shot 25% FG   10% 3FG   22% FT to score their 15 points
3) Barrett Hanlon did not play.  I do not know the seriousness of his injury but I do not think Salve can hang with the upper tier of the Conference without him

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 23, 2014, 11:34:18 PM
Only saw the second half of the WNE-Salve game,

WNE is an extremely streaky team, this game was similar to their WIT game. For some reason they like to come out of the second half firing on all cylinders. If they can ever have that intensity for 40 full minutes they could be dangerous and good for an upset or two come tournament time. They did a good job locking down on defense in the second half though and preventing open shots.

Salve is a completely different team without Hanlon though. They need him to come back and be healthy if they want to win the conference this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2014, 12:03:04 AM

When I heard Pringle was out for the year, I pegged Salve struggling to make the conference tourney.  I was not aware of Hanlon coming in; he's a real difference maker.  I imagine they're only favored over UNE without him.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 24, 2014, 02:13:08 PM
They'll still make the tournament, but barely. They have a 4 game lead over Curry and WNE with 9 games left. Even if they go 1-8 the rest of the way out, WNE and Curry will both need to go from winning 2 games the first round through to winning 5 games. Which will be tough. Although their last game Curry vs Salve could serve as a play in game for the tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2014, 03:32:53 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 24, 2014, 02:13:08 PM
They'll still make the tournament, but barely. They have a 4 game lead over Curry and WNE with 9 games left. Even if they go 1-8 the rest of the way out, WNE and Curry will both need to go from winning 2 games the first round through to winning 5 games. Which will be tough. Although their last game Curry vs Salve could serve as a play in game for the tournament.

Oh I just meant before the season.  They've amassed enough wins to get in now, even if Hanlon doesn't come back.  If they end up with both Hanlon and Pringle next year, that could be a rainmaker squad for sure.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2014, 05:11:12 PM

A lot of interesting results today.  Salve rallies at home, Gordon goes down, WNEC makes a statement (albeit against UNE) and ENC takes out Endicott.

Ten days ago Salve was the clear favorite, two weeks before that it was Endicott all the way.  Now Nichols seems to be a head above.

Do we have seven teams now that can win on any given night?  I was worried about an ENC collapse, but winning a close game against a good opponent is something they haven't done in a long time.  It seems the week of bad losses is more the aberration than the wins.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 26, 2014, 11:26:04 AM
I think we're closer to 8 maybe even 9 games that can win on any given night. WNEC has been knocking on the door all year as Roger Williams and Gordon were the only two games that they weren't in it in the final 2 minutes, and even those games were without Askew. This week is a huge one for them, I personally think that the Salve comeback is the turning point in their season, if they can beat Curry and Roger Williams this week that'll fortify that and I can see them going on a run to get a 6 or 7 seed. If that happens I wouldn't be shocked to see them get an upset in the tournament. For the UNE game, the key thing to take from it is not the blow out its the shooting percentages for WNEC, mainly shooting over 50% from 3 point land. That shows that even though they are only shooting in the 20% range from out there this year that they have the capabilities to get hot and go off.

Curry's also isn't a guaranteed win, yeah two of their wins are against UNE and WNEC, but they also took Salve to Overtime and only lost to Endicott by 4. Really the only team that I see in this league being a guaranteed win would be UNE. They are just putrid.

I do think that Nichols is the favorite in this league though. They need to tighten up their defense in the half court a little but they still are keeping teams in the  mid 60's  and with how much and how easy they score they are a tough team to beat.  I'm not that impressed with Salve as I think they are easily beatable and Endicott doesn't like to blow people out which leaves them vulnerable for an upset.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 26, 2014, 02:44:26 PM
Nichols appears to be in the driver's seat with a two game lead.  Still quite a few games to play and the loss of a key player or two due to injury or illness could tip the balance in most of the Conference contests.  Still not sure if Hanlon is coimg back soon.  Salve has struggled to close out games (double digit leads against Curry (OT win), WNEC (loss), and Roger Williams (win with basket with 7 secs remaining) melted away in the second half ).  His return is probably the key to the rest of their season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 26, 2014, 04:45:17 PM
Agreed, and if Scanlon doesn't come back soon I could see them falling down to a 4 or 5 seed in the tournament.  Unfortunately for them they have a key stretch of WIT, Nichols and Endicott the following two weeks.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 26, 2014, 08:55:14 PM
Even though I am a Salve supporter, injuries are part of the game and the rest of the players will have to step up.  This type of competitiveness makes for a great deal of fun for players and fans and gives everyone a chance.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2014, 12:17:47 AM
Nichols has had a great team since Sheehan got there, but the defense has never come through when it mattered. I've been bitten three times now, I'll wait until they win a couple tournament games to jump on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 27, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
That is not completely true RE: Nichols. Yes in the past they won just by out scoring their opponents and not caring about defense. But this year they are different. They are only allowing 64 points a conference game this year. And even in their loss, Salve only scored 73, it's not like they are giving up 80 points a game and only winning because they scored 90 like they were last year. If anything you should be more concerned about Endicott and their lack of defense. Heck even WIT put up 77 against Endicott this year.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 27, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
That is not completely true RE: Nichols. Yes in the past they won just by out scoring their opponents and not caring about defense. But this year they are different. They are only allowing 64 points a conference game this year. And even in their loss, Salve only scored 73, it's not like they are giving up 80 points a game and only winning because they scored 90 like they were last year. If anything you should be more concerned about Endicott and their lack of defense. Heck even WIT put up 77 against Endicott this year.

I don't trust Endicott either.  They're the most erratic team we've had in the conference in the fifteen years I've been following.

Without Hanlon there's not a team in the league I'd give better than 50% chance to win a big game.  That's what makes it fun!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 28, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 27, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
That is not completely true RE: Nichols. Yes in the past they won just by out scoring their opponents and not caring about defense. But this year they are different. They are only allowing 64 points a conference game this year. And even in their loss, Salve only scored 73, it's not like they are giving up 80 points a game and only winning because they scored 90 like they were last year. If anything you should be more concerned about Endicott and their lack of defense. Heck even WIT put up 77 against Endicott this year.

I don't trust Endicott either.  They're the most erratic team we've had in the conference in the fifteen years I've been following.

Without Hanlon there's not a team in the league I'd give better than 50% chance to win a big game.  That's what makes it fun!

What is making it more fun is the fact that even though 6 of the teams essentially have a tournament bid set in stone, we have 6 that are fighting for 3 home game seeds, Nichols being the only one who has a home game set. That'll keep every game except for those against UNE being big games all season long.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 28, 2014, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 28, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 27, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
That is not completely true RE: Nichols. Yes in the past they won just by out scoring their opponents and not caring about defense. But this year they are different. They are only allowing 64 points a conference game this year. And even in their loss, Salve only scored 73, it's not like they are giving up 80 points a game and only winning because they scored 90 like they were last year. If anything you should be more concerned about Endicott and their lack of defense. Heck even WIT put up 77 against Endicott this year.

I don't trust Endicott either.  They're the most erratic team we've had in the conference in the fifteen years I've been following.

Without Hanlon there's not a team in the league I'd give better than 50% chance to win a big game.  That's what makes it fun!

What is making it more fun is the fact that even though 6 of the teams essentially have a tournament bid set in stone, we have 6 that are fighting for 3 home game seeds, Nichols being the only one who has a home game set. That'll keep every game except for those against UNE being big games all season long.

Nothing is set yet.  We're barely halfway through the conference schedule.  Nichols could lose four in a row out of nowhere.  It happens all the time, especially in a down year like this one, where no one in the conference is really a great team.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 28, 2014, 10:22:03 PM
And that is what is great about this season, "On any given night ..."
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 29, 2014, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 28, 2014, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 28, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 27, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
That is not completely true RE: Nichols. Yes in the past they won just by out scoring their opponents and not caring about defense. But this year they are different. They are only allowing 64 points a conference game this year. And even in their loss, Salve only scored 73, it's not like they are giving up 80 points a game and only winning because they scored 90 like they were last year. If anything you should be more concerned about Endicott and their lack of defense. Heck even WIT put up 77 against Endicott this year.

I don't trust Endicott either.  They're the most erratic team we've had in the conference in the fifteen years I've been following.

Without Hanlon there's not a team in the league I'd give better than 50% chance to win a big game.  That's what makes it fun!

What is making it more fun is the fact that even though 6 of the teams essentially have a tournament bid set in stone, we have 6 that are fighting for 3 home game seeds, Nichols being the only one who has a home game set. That'll keep every game except for those against UNE being big games all season long.

Nothing is set yet.  We're barely halfway through the conference schedule.  Nichols could lose four in a row out of nowhere.  It happens all the time, especially in a down year like this one, where no one in the conference is really a great team.

Even if Nichols went 4-5 the rest of the way out, which will be tough with UNE, Curry and Wentworth all at home, Eastern Naz would still have to go 7-2 the rest of the way out to pass them and knock them out of the top 4. I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 29, 2014, 01:49:00 PM
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Quote from: jackson5 on January 27, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
That is not completely true RE: Nichols. Yes in the past they won just by out scoring their opponents and not caring about defense. But this year they are different. They are only allowing 64 points a conference game this year. And even in their loss, Salve only scored 73, it's not like they are giving up 80 points a game and only winning because they scored 90 like they were last year. If anything you should be more concerned about Endicott and their lack of defense. Heck even WIT put up 77 against Endicott this year.

I don't trust Endicott either.  They're the most erratic team we've had in the conference in the fifteen years I've been following.

Without Hanlon there's not a team in the league I'd give better than 50% chance to win a big game.  That's what makes it fun!

What is making it more fun is the fact that even though 6 of the teams essentially have a tournament bid set in stone, we have 6 that are fighting for 3 home game seeds, Nichols being the only one who has a home game set. That'll keep every game except for those against UNE being big games all season long.

Nothing is set yet.  We're barely halfway through the conference schedule.  Nichols could lose four in a row out of nowhere.  It happens all the time, especially in a down year like this one, where no one in the conference is really a great team.

Even if Nichols went 4-5 the rest of the way out, which will be tough with UNE, Curry and Wentworth all at home, Eastern Naz would still have to go 7-2 the rest of the way out to pass them and knock them out of the top 4. I don't see that happening.


Oh, I agree its unlikely, I've just learned over the years that likelihood doesn't really matter in the CCC.  Nichols and ENC play each other to make up the snowed out game; if ENC wins that, they're only two games apart.  Not a done deal.  Not likely.  In fact, I don't see how it will be possible even if ENC beats Nichols.

But if there's one thing I've learned with the CCC it's that nothing is guaranteed (unless you have Andy St. Clair).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 29, 2014, 09:12:06 PM
Wentworth 80   Salve Regina 66

Good second half by Wentworth taking a four point halftime lead and turning it into a comfortable road win.  Good three point shooting by Wentworth who were consistently the better team tonight.   Salve played hard but they did not have the horses to compete.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2014, 09:28:52 PM

ENC handles UNE

WNEC gets another win - by 13 at Curry.

Gordon wins at Endicott

Nichols up 10 win two to play - big halftime lead, just trying to hang on
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 29, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Saw the second half of the Endicott-Gordon game, next crowd there.  Endicott had a chance to win with 5 seconds left, they got Gordon to miss the 2nd foul shot, got the rebound only to have it be poked away and go back to Gordon after a toss around. Gordon then made the free throws to go up 5.

It's not a good night for Roger Williams, WNE and Curry's shot at a home game in the tournament. Two of them lost, and even though WNE won their odds went down significantly with Gordon winning. Now with just 7 games left they have to make up a 3 game deficit, or 4 games in Curry's case.

On the flip side, we now have 5 teams that are within a game of each other for the 2-6 seeds. It's very possible that we could go into the final week with a team not sure if they are going to be a 2 seed or a 6 s
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2014, 07:00:33 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on January 29, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Saw the second half of the Endicott-Gordon game, next crowd there.  Endicott had a chance to win with 5 seconds left, they got Gordon to miss the 2nd foul shot, got the rebound only to have it be poked away and go back to Gordon after a toss around. Gordon then made the free throws to go up 5.

It's not a good night for Roger Williams, WNE and Curry's shot at a home game in the tournament. Two of them lost, and even though WNE won their odds went down significantly with Gordon winning. Now with just 7 games left they have to make up a 3 game deficit, or 4 games in Curry's case.

On the flip side, we now have 5 teams that are within a game of each other for the 2-6 seeds. It's very possible that we could go into the final week with a team not sure if they are going to be a 2 seed or a 6 s

We had a five way tie one year.  If not for a freak upset in the last game of the season, there would have been the unheard of scenario of a four-way coin flip.  I'm not even sure the logistics of such a thing.  Alas, we never found out.

Maybe this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 31, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
WIT vs Gordon, Nichols vs Salve, Eastern Naz vs Curry tomorrow. Very good chance we'll be up to 4 teams with 7 wins, and 1 more with 8 after tomorrow.  Then Roger Williams vs WNE, winner looking at a possible two game cushion away from Curry for the 8th seed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2014, 07:37:55 PM

Nichols now up 3 in the loss column with seven to play (six for everyone, but NC and ENC).  They're looking pretty solid.  I may have to finally admit they put it all together.  I'm gad it happened before Sheehan graduated, he's had an impressive career and deserve a chance at the tournament.

Any word on Hanlon's injury.  Is he expected back this season?  That will make a huge difference for the tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on February 01, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
Still unknown if he will return.  I feel bad for Hanlon after he spent the entire year at the end of the bench at Bentley ( one minute of play).
Salve has struggled mightily in his absence to the point that you feel he could have been the difference in a few of the games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on February 01, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
Still unknown if he will return.  I feel bad for Hanlon after he spent the entire year at the end of the bench at Bentley ( one minute of play).
Salve has struggled mightily in his absence to the point that you feel he could have been the difference in a few of the games.

If both he and Pringle come back next year, that is going to be one dangerous squad.

The injury does, it seems, all but give the POY award to Sheehan, though.  He's been among the best defensive players in the conference all four years.  With Hanlon out and Magee starting slow, there just doesn't seem to be any other candidates.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on February 04, 2014, 09:46:18 PM
Very competitive game in Newport tonight.  Salve grinds out an 80-74  win in overtime against Endicott.  With SRU up by one, Patrick Dineen hit a huge three pointer with 42 seconds left in OT.  It was only the second three pointer out of eleven attempts for the Seahawks.  Jeff Bielefeld and Dineen led Salve with 22 points and 12 rebounds and 26 and 8 respectively.  This was a big win for Salve as Hanlon was once again out.  Hopefully, they can take some momentum and confidence from tonight up with them to Maine when they play UNE on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2014, 11:34:56 PM
ENC goes to Worcester and takes out Nichols.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2014, 04:17:22 PM

RWU takes out EC at Endicott.  Most of the the other games are close in the second half.  Good day.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on February 08, 2014, 06:34:54 PM
Barrett Hanlon returned for Salve today.  He did not start and played 21 minutes (only 6 min in the first half) but Salve needed everyone of those minutes.  Hanlon led the SeaHawks with 20 points and 12 rebounds.  UNE shot well from beyond the arc.  SRU shot free throws well and did not turn the ball over coming from five points down at the 9:21 mark to outscore UNE 21-10 down the stretch.  Salve is hoping that Hanlon's knee does not flare up after today and that he will be ready for Wednesday's game vs Eastern Nazarene. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2014, 09:40:06 AM

ENC goes to Salve and pulls out a win.

With three games left, Nichols has a two game lead over ENC and Gordon, who have a two game lead over Salve.

ENC and Gordon play the last game against each other, but both have to get by a tough opponent (Nichols and Salve) respectively, before then.

WNEC is up one game for the last playoff spot.

Should be a good finish.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on February 15, 2014, 04:57:29 PM
Great comeback win for Salve at Gordon this afternoon.  Gordon was up by as many as 19 in the first half despite not playing with Miersma and two other starters today.  Barrett Hanlon played 37 minutes and led all scorers with 32 points on 13-18 shooting.  If his knee holds up Salve will be a contender in the Conference tournament. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2014, 08:07:38 PM

Big win for Salve today.  It looks like they're back on form and should be considered the #1 or #2 team in the conference, whether they have that seeding or not.

With two games remaining, UNE is officially out of the running.

Nichols just needs to win their next game, at ENC to clinch the conference; ENC needs two wins and two NC losses.

Salve has the tiebreaker over every team they might end up tied with.

WNEC is a game up, plus the tiebreaker over Curry.  CC's going to have to do a lot of work and get some help to make the playoffs.


Tuesday night should be fun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on February 16, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
Curry doesn't need much. They are facing UNE so that's a win for them. WNE can't seem to win a game so it's going to come down to whether Curry can beat Salve home on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2014, 02:22:32 PM

Looks like a bunch of tonight's games got bumped to tomorrow.  As far as I know, Nichols at ENC is still happening Tuesday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2014, 09:00:59 PM

ENC, down by 11 at the half, came back to tie Nichols 82-82 with a minute to go.  Great game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2014, 09:11:06 PM

Nichols got a big three, then hit enough FTs down the stretch.  They clinch #1 for the playoffs.

Roger Williams is up 5 on Gordon at the half.

The other three games are tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2014, 10:08:34 PM

Gordon got the job done. 70-59 over RWU.

ENC heads to Gordon to close out the season.  Winner gets the #2 seed.

#3 will depend on Salve's results.  SRU would take the tiebreaker with both ENC and GC if things end up tied.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2014, 10:13:25 PM

Salve loses to WNE.  Changes everything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2014, 10:24:32 PM

With one game remaining:

Nichols is #1 regardless.

The winner of ENC-Gordon is #2, the loser is #3.

Salve and Endicott will be #4 and #5 - only home court up for grabs.  If tied, Salve wins the tiebreaker.

WIT and RWU will be #6 and #7; if they tie at 9-9, WIT wins the tiebreaker, if they tie at 8-10 then it comes down to which team is #4 (if SRU is #4, WIT gets the tiebreaker; if EC is #4, RWU gets the tiebreaker).

WNE is #8 (they have the tiebreaker over Curry).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2014, 04:16:27 PM

ENC is up 42-28 at the half at Gordon (and that was with Gordon scoring the last few buckets before the whistle).  Also, there appears to be a giant game of knockout happening at halftime.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2014, 05:35:30 PM

ENC gave up the big lead in the second half, but got it back in time to win.  They'll be the #2 seed, Gordon the #3.

#8 Western New England at #1 Nichols
#7 Wentworth at #2 Eastern Nazarene
#6 Roger Williams at #3 Gordon
#5 Endicott at #4 Salve Regina
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2014, 05:05:21 PM
Post-season awards out today.  Pretty much as expected.

I have to admit I didn't see Bardwell coming for ROY.  I suppose with Roger Williams struggling so much this season I didn't pay attention well enough.

I still don't get why we have a six-man first team, but I'm old enough now to believe "the more, the merrier."  I'm glad seniors like Mayo and Thomas got on the end of the list.  The coaches always do a great job of recognizing solid careers.

FIRST TEAM
G - Barrett Hanlon, Salve Regina, Sophomore
F - Hans Miersma, Gordon, Junior
G - Jaylen Owens, Eastern Nazarene, Sophomore
G - Lambros Papalambros, Curry, Senior
C - Dennis Rinaldi, Western New England, Senior
F - Ryan Sheehan, Nichols, Senior

SECOND TEAM
F - Jeff Bielefeld, Salve Regina, Senior
G - Alex Carnes, Gordon, Senior
G - John Henault, Endicott, Junior
G - Eric Lynch, Eastern Nazarene, Sophomore
G - Ryan Palumbo, Roger Williams, Junior

THIRD TEAM
F -Chris Bardwell, Roger Williams, Freshman
G - Marlon Bennett, Nichols, Junior
G - Jherson Colon, Wentworth, Freshman
G - Patrick Dinneen, Salve Regina, Senior
G - Sam Horning, Nichols, Senior
G - Lachlan Magee, Endicott, Graduate
G - Derek Mayo, Wentworth, Senior
G - Park Thomas, Gordon, Senior

INDIVIDUAL AWARDS
PLAYER OF THE YEAR & SENIOR SCHOLAR-ATHLETE OF THE YEAR - Ryan Sheehan, Nichols
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Hans Miersma, Gordon
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Chris Bardwell, Roger Williams
COACH OF THE YEAR - Jeff Lindgren, Nichols
TEAM SPORTSMANSHIP AWARD – Western New England University
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2014, 09:45:25 PM

Nichols and Gordon both win easily.

Gordon will host one more game, as Wentworth tops ENC.

Endicott and Salve are very close with ten minutes to go.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2014, 09:59:18 PM

Salve pulled it out by 1.


Salve @ Nichols

Wentworth @ Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on February 25, 2014, 10:15:12 PM
Salve and Endicott played another great game in Newport tonight.  Scott St. Lawrence made one of two free throws with .8 of a second left to give the Seahawks a 77-76 win to advance to the semifinals on Thursday.  Lachlan Magee had a wide open look from 20 feet with 4 seconds remaining but Salve rebounded the miss, pushed the ball up the court and St. Lawrence was fouled on a drive.  Barett Hanlon led all scorers with 31 and Patrick Dineen added 25.  Endicott's scoring was much more balanced with four players in double figures led by John Heenault's 19.

19 ties and 16 lead changes in this game.  It was a shame to see one of these two teams lose.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on February 25, 2014, 11:46:24 PM
Absolute joke to have a 6 man first team and an EIGHT man third team.

Just give EVERYONE a trophy.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 26, 2014, 12:47:18 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 25, 2014, 11:46:24 PM
Absolute joke to have a 6 man first team and an EIGHT man third team.

Just give EVERYONE a trophy.

The 6th person on the first team could very well be the MVP.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2014, 07:24:24 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 26, 2014, 12:47:18 AM
Quote from: CCC Talk on February 25, 2014, 11:46:24 PM
Absolute joke to have a 6 man first team and an EIGHT man third team.

Just give EVERYONE a trophy.

The 6th person on the first team could very well be the MVP.

Yeah, they pick an MVP and then do a five man first team.  That's never made much sense to me, but I'm happy an extra kid gets the honor.

As for the eight man third team, I suspect there are ties involved.  I don't remember that happening before.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 26, 2014, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 26, 2014, 07:24:24 AM
Yeah, they pick an MVP and then do a five man first team.  That's never made much sense to me, but I'm happy an extra kid gets the honor.

As for the eight man third team, I suspect there are ties involved.  I don't remember that happening before.

Yah.  They do that with the LEC.  They pick a 5 man first team and place the MVP in there as the 6th person, so I kinda figured it was the same here too.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on March 01, 2014, 04:49:15 PM
Congratulations to Gordon winning the CCC Championship at Nichols, 69-65.  Nichols had a 17 point lead with about 10 minutes to go and Gordon finished the game on a 30-9 run.  Should be interesting to see who they draw in the tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2014, 06:22:54 PM

GC goes to Nichols and wins the NCAA bid.  Almost no chance Nichols gets in.  I was concerned with how boisterously the NC faithful celebrated their semi-final win.  Never a good idea to go nuts over getting to a game you were supposed to get to.

At 17-10, Gordon is going to have one of the worst records in the tournament.  I would not be surprised to see them at Amherst or Williams next Thursday.  They're going to be the de facto 15 or 16 seed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on March 01, 2014, 08:59:47 PM
Agreed, Nichols seemed way too excited about their semi-final win. The fact that Salve took them to overtime in their house should've been concerning not something to celebrate. Didn't get the chance to see today's game but it's really a shame that Nichols did lose. Not a huge Lindgren fan, I think he needs to be an assistant for a few more years to mature but he can coach. But Nichols and Sheenan were really the conferences best chance to get a win in the tournament. They probably would've gotten a decent draw and gone against a East Conn-Springfield type team and would've had a chance to win. Instead we're going to have Gordon sent to either Amherst or Trinity where they will get blown out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 02, 2014, 02:03:10 AM
Lindgren in way over his head- given a high powered car and just had to not crash it. Instead you got tire tracks a bent guardrail and Gordon in the NCAAs
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on March 02, 2014, 12:37:12 PM
Exactly, the lack of defense the team plays and their general demeanor is what you'd expect from having a 25 year old coach. I think he has the potential to move up but he should really be on a D-2 staff as an assistant.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on March 02, 2014, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 01, 2014, 06:22:54 PM

GC goes to Nichols and wins the NCAA bid.  Almost no chance Nichols gets in.  I was concerned with how boisterously the NC faithful celebrated their semi-final win.  Never a good idea to go nuts over getting to a game you were supposed to get to.

At 17-10, Gordon is going to have one of the worst records in the tournament.  I would not be surprised to see them at Amherst or Williams next Thursday.  They're going to be the de facto 15 or 16 seed.

I would not bet on either team, but Gordon will have a better shot than Nichols at competing and winning in round 1.

1. They have an elite shot blocking center.
2. They have a veteran coach.
3. They have not lost a road game since December.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on March 02, 2014, 11:32:41 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on March 02, 2014, 02:03:10 AM
Lindgren in way over his head- given a high powered car and just had to not crash it. Instead you got tire tracks a bent guardrail and Gordon in the NCAAs

The kid took over a garbage program in Dudley, Mass. and he went 22-6.

He wasn't "given" a high powered car. Have you seen Nichols play the last five years?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on March 03, 2014, 08:27:08 AM
He took over a team that already had Sheehan (the best scorer in the league), Horning, Langadas, Gallant, Michaud, Bennett, etc there and Koumare, Horton, Eggleston and Hurst coming in. Granted he gets some credit for being an assistant when those guys were recruited but the program was trending upward. You could argue they underachieved last year with largely the same group and then to not get out of the tourny this year in the weakest CCC tournament in recent memory is a total fail.

I'm sure Nichols will spin the ECAC as something good because they usually aren't in it, but everyone knows the ECAC is a silly event
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2014, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: Chantastic on March 02, 2014, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 01, 2014, 06:22:54 PM

GC goes to Nichols and wins the NCAA bid.  Almost no chance Nichols gets in.  I was concerned with how boisterously the NC faithful celebrated their semi-final win.  Never a good idea to go nuts over getting to a game you were supposed to get to.

At 17-10, Gordon is going to have one of the worst records in the tournament.  I would not be surprised to see them at Amherst or Williams next Thursday.  They're going to be the de facto 15 or 16 seed.

I would not bet on either team, but Gordon will have a better shot than Nichols at competing and winning in round 1.

1. They have an elite shot blocking center.
2. They have a veteran coach.
3. They have not lost a road game since December.

Usually when there's an upset in the tourney, especially in New England, it's because a perimeter player goes for 40 and puts his team on his back.  Miersma is a great player, but he's not going to be scoring the points.  Gordon can win, but they're going to have to grind it out with defense - and that's more difficult to do in the tournament, as an underdog.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2014, 12:59:25 PM

Gordon gets a highly favorable draw against Babson at Williams.  That's a winnable game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on March 03, 2014, 08:08:40 PM
The D3 Scoreboard page has three games involving CCC teams scheduled for Wednesday.  I assume that these are ECAC quarterfinals.

Plymouth State at Nichols

Lasell at Salve Regina

Endicott at Castleton State


Nice to see four teams involved in post season play
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on March 03, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
ECAC New England 

Wednesday - March 5

Quarterfinals

#8 Plymouth State @ #1 Nichols
#7 Elms @ #2 Johnson and Wales
#6 Endicott @ #3 Castleton State
#5 Lasell @ #4 Salve Regina

Saturday - March 8

Semi Finals

Sunday - March 9

Final
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2014, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on March 03, 2014, 08:08:40 PM
The D3 Scoreboard page has three games involving CCC teams scheduled for Wednesday.  I assume that these are ECAC quarterfinals.

Plymouth State at Nichols

Lasell at Salve Regina

Endicott at Castleton State


Nice to see four teams involved in post season play

And I know the ENC players voted not to participate in the ECAC or they likely would have been chosen as well.  It is good representation for the conference.  It wasn't too long ago when we would have been happy to get any team into the ECACs.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on March 04, 2014, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 03, 2014, 12:59:25 PM

Gordon gets a highly favorable draw against Babson at Williams.  That's a winnable game.

I am sure there are hundreds of anecdotes like this, but honestly how does this happen?

Five years ago, Gordon was ranked regionally and had gone 24-4 with a Jostens Finalist (Trigg). They were rewarded by being sent to Middlebury who was ranked top ten nationally.

Now they go 17-10 and get a neutral site game with Babson?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2014, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: Chantastic on March 04, 2014, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 03, 2014, 12:59:25 PM

Gordon gets a highly favorable draw against Babson at Williams.  That's a winnable game.

I am sure there are hundreds of anecdotes like this, but honestly how does this happen?

Five years ago, Gordon was ranked regionally and had gone 24-4 with a Jostens Finalist (Trigg). They were rewarded by being sent to Middlebury who was ranked top ten nationally.

Now they go 17-10 and get a neutral site game with Babson?

That's about #314 on the list of problems with this bracket.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Chantastic on March 07, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on March 01, 2014, 08:59:47 PM
Agreed, Nichols seemed way too excited about their semi-final win. The fact that Salve took them to overtime in their house should've been concerning not something to celebrate. Didn't get the chance to see today's game but it's really a shame that Nichols did lose. Not a huge Lindgren fan, I think he needs to be an assistant for a few more years to mature but he can coach. But Nichols and Sheenan were really the conferences best chance to get a win in the tournament. They probably would've gotten a decent draw and gone against a East Conn-Springfield type team and would've had a chance to win. Instead we're going to have Gordon sent to either Amherst or Trinity where they will get blown out.

Gordon defeats Babson 76-68 and shoots 58% from the field, 91% from the line.

Any conference historians know the last time a CCC team won in the NCAAs?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on March 07, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
Anna Maria back in the early 1990s...maybe 1993?  One of those years they went to the Sweet 16.  For about two or three years, had to watch Gordon lose to Anna Maria in the conference final each year.  :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
The CCC didn't have an automatic bid until the 1999-2000 season.  I know ENC had a couple teams in the 90's that were probably deserving and could have won games, but didn't get the chance.

Anna Maria won two games in the 1996 national tournament.

Tonight is the only other win a CCC school has ever had in the NCAA Tournament (at least on the men's side).

Congratulations to Gordon.  They benefited from a very good draw and some tough defense to get this win.

Williams struggled a bit tonight and won only on the back of their big center Mayer.  He's a big dude with great footwork, but he's not overpowering or aggressive.  A strong night from Miersma on the defensive end could make things interesting.  He's a good enough defensive player to make Mayer work.  The big question in my mind is the size and speed of the Williams guards.  I'm not sure Gordon's defense is quick enough to lock down the perimeter as they're want to do.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on March 08, 2014, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
The CCC didn't have an automatic bid until the 1999-2000 season.  I know ENC had a couple teams in the 90's that were probably deserving and could have won games, but didn't get the chance.
The CCC had auto bids in 1995 (Salve Regina), 1996 (Anna Maria), and 1997 (Wentworth). The league didn't have one in 1998 (Wentworth won) or 1999 (Colby-Sawyer won) but has had one since 2000.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GC Oldtimer on March 08, 2014, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on March 08, 2014, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
The CCC didn't have an automatic bid until the 1999-2000 season.  I know ENC had a couple teams in the 90's that were probably deserving and could have won games, but didn't get the chance.
The CCC had auto bids in 1995 (Salve Regina), 1996 (Anna Maria), and 1997 (Wentworth). The league didn't have one in 1998 (Wentworth won) or 1999 (Colby-Sawyer won) but has had one since 2000.
Why did the CCC lose it's auto bid in 1998 & 1999?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bill Gorman on March 08, 2014, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on March 08, 2014, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on March 08, 2014, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
The CCC didn't have an automatic bid until the 1999-2000 season.  I know ENC had a couple teams in the 90's that were probably deserving and could have won games, but didn't get the chance.
The CCC had auto bids in 1995 (Salve Regina), 1996 (Anna Maria), and 1997 (Wentworth). The league didn't have one in 1998 (Wentworth won) or 1999 (Colby-Sawyer won) but has had one since 2000.
Why did the CCC lose it's auto bid in 1998 & 1999?
I honestly don't remember. It was lost on the men's side but kept on the women's side.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2014, 07:56:29 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on March 08, 2014, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: GC Oldtimer on March 08, 2014, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: Bill Gorman on March 08, 2014, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
The CCC didn't have an automatic bid until the 1999-2000 season.  I know ENC had a couple teams in the 90's that were probably deserving and could have won games, but didn't get the chance.
The CCC had auto bids in 1995 (Salve Regina), 1996 (Anna Maria), and 1997 (Wentworth). The league didn't have one in 1998 (Wentworth won) or 1999 (Colby-Sawyer won) but has had one since 2000.
Why did the CCC lose it's auto bid in 1998 & 1999?
I honestly don't remember. It was lost on the men's side but kept on the women's side.

The auto bids used to be given out by region.  Back then the tournament was 48 teams, I think.  I'm not sure how they were allocated, but not every conference was guaranteed a bid.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2014, 07:57:35 PM

Gordon led Williams at the half, but Williams starts the second half with nine straight points to take the lead.  Gordon is going right at Mayer, which is gutsy and impressive.  Not sure it will work long term.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2014, 12:23:12 AM
The 1995-96-97 tournaments were technically 64-team play-ins to a field of 32. A technicality because the bracket looked like 64, except that the schools had to pay for first-round travel.

In those 64-team fields, every region was guaranteed eight bids and basically everyone had an automatic bid. But that also meant that the East and Atlantic got one bid for every four schools, while the Northeast got one for even seven or so.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 17, 2014, 08:23:14 AM

Big Congratulations!

Ryan Sheehan made d3hoops.com's First Team All-Region squad.  Great recognition for a solid career.

Also, Lambros Papalambros slipped in to the 4th team All-Region.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 30, 2014, 10:29:08 PM

Procrastinating from other duties tonight and scanning the recruiting reports:

WIT has a PG coming in, Cesar Fulcar from Watertown.  6'1" looks pretty legit.  They're going to need a floor leader, losing all those Seniors.  Good get.

Nichols picked up two scorers - Dom Luoni from Bishop Fenwick and Mickey Lyons, the coach's son from Burlington (MA) - a 6'4" dead-eye shoot, reportedly.  Lindgren ain't sitting still.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 21, 2014, 05:15:47 PM

http://athletics.enc.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20140520ax9xrz

ENC released their six-man recruiting class this week.  Looks like some good complementary pieces coming in - a number of transfers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on June 30, 2014, 04:52:31 PM
Anyone know what the story is at Nichols? Lindgren resigned june 3rd and then they just hired an assistant from MIT to take over. Did Lindgren get another job or was he canned?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 05, 2014, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on June 30, 2014, 04:52:31 PM
Anyone know what the story is at Nichols? Lindgren resigned june 3rd and then they just hired an assistant from MIT to take over. Did Lindgren get another job or was he canned?

From what I've heard, the head coaching position at Nichols is a part time position and Lindgren decided he'd rather have a full time job.  I do not believe he's coaching anymore.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 05, 2014, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 05, 2014, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on June 30, 2014, 04:52:31 PM
Anyone know what the story is at Nichols? Lindgren resigned june 3rd and then they just hired an assistant from MIT to take over. Did Lindgren get another job or was he canned?

From what I've heard, the head coaching position at Nichols is a part time position and Lindgren decided he'd rather have a full time job.  I do not believe he's coaching anymore.

That's too bad. While I think he was alittle overrated and not quite as good as his record makes you think, he still showed alot of potential. If he was given a couple more years of experience to grow he'd have the chance to become something special. It's a shame he wasn't willing to hold on and try to work his way up the ladder.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 08, 2014, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on July 05, 2014, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 05, 2014, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on June 30, 2014, 04:52:31 PM
Anyone know what the story is at Nichols? Lindgren resigned june 3rd and then they just hired an assistant from MIT to take over. Did Lindgren get another job or was he canned?

From what I've heard, the head coaching position at Nichols is a part time position and Lindgren decided he'd rather have a full time job.  I do not believe he's coaching anymore.

That's too bad. While I think he was alittle overrated and not quite as good as his record makes you think, he still showed alot of potential. If he was given a couple more years of experience to grow he'd have the chance to become something special. It's a shame he wasn't willing to hold on and try to work his way up the ladder.

He was also piggy-backing on the recruiting of the previous coach - who also left because it was part time.  I know things are tight in higher education these days, but you'd think you could find some money for that position, especially with all the construction Nichols has done over the last decade.  Well, maybe it's because of that construction they can't afford a coach.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 08, 2014, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 08, 2014, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on July 05, 2014, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 05, 2014, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on June 30, 2014, 04:52:31 PM
Anyone know what the story is at Nichols? Lindgren resigned june 3rd and then they just hired an assistant from MIT to take over. Did Lindgren get another job or was he canned?

From what I've heard, the head coaching position at Nichols is a part time position and Lindgren decided he'd rather have a full time job.  I do not believe he's coaching anymore.

That's too bad. While I think he was alittle overrated and not quite as good as his record makes you think, he still showed alot of potential. If he was given a couple more years of experience to grow he'd have the chance to become something special. It's a shame he wasn't willing to hold on and try to work his way up the ladder.

He was also piggy-backing on the recruiting of the previous coach - who also left because it was part time.  I know things are tight in higher education these days, but you'd think you could find some money for that position, especially with all the construction Nichols has done over the last decade.  Well, maybe it's because of that construction they can't afford a coach.

It's weird because I thought that most of the CCC schools were starting to move towards full time head coaches for their teams.  What doesn't make much sense to me is that they don't have many students, or any endowment, yet they still sponsor football, hockey, Baseball and Lacrosse, which are probably the 4 most expensive sports to run.  I get the whole trying to attract more students thing, but when you have sports like football that have only won 3 games in 4 years, and could only hire a high school coach to replaced the fired one, maybe it's time to cut some programs.

And yeah Lindgren did just use the last coaches players, but he still got them to 16-2 this year and really he wasn't  given time to recruit. His first year he wasn't going to bring in anyone special since by the time he takes over most kids have already decided. Then his freshmen weren't really needed.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 14, 2014, 05:43:32 PM
Phil Rowe now gone from Endicott to take Assistant AD job at St Anselm. It'll be interesting to see who they bring in to replace him. Endicott is probably one of the easier places to win at in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 15, 2014, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on July 14, 2014, 05:43:32 PM
Phil Rowe now gone from Endicott to take Assistant AD job at St Anselm. It'll be interesting to see who they bring in to replace him. Endicott is probably one of the easier places to win at in the CCC.

They keep going through coaches, though.  Nice facilities, strong program, but they don't ever seem to get any sort of long term solution in there.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 15, 2014, 01:36:39 PM
They haven't been too bad. Cosgrove was there for 5 years before taking a D-2 job. Plansky was only there for 3 years and losing him to a high school isn't a good look. Millette got a fair shake with 4 years. And Rowe stayed for 5 years. The truth is with the salaries that CCC schools pay, you can't really expect coaches to stay much longer than that. You'd hope that they'll have enough success in 5 years that they get an offer as an assistant someplace else.  If they are looking for a lifer than they need to pay their coaches more, which most of these schools can't afford to do.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 16, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on July 15, 2014, 01:36:39 PM
They haven't been too bad. Cosgrove was there for 5 years before taking a D-2 job. Plansky was only there for 3 years and losing him to a high school isn't a good look. Millette got a fair shake with 4 years. And Rowe stayed for 5 years. The truth is with the salaries that CCC schools pay, you can't really expect coaches to stay much longer than that. You'd hope that they'll have enough success in 5 years that they get an offer as an assistant someplace else.  If they are looking for a lifer than they need to pay their coaches more, which most of these schools can't afford to do.

Endicott has been printing money the last decade.  I'm not sure who's managing their endowment, but they're either underemployed or extremely lucky.  They should be able to keep a coach if they want to.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 16, 2014, 11:43:22 PM
Last I heard they were still only paying 40-50K a year for a coach. Don't know if that's gone up though. They have been doing alot of renovating and expanding on campus though. Currently building a new hockey arena as we speak.  They have probably the nicest campus in the league right on the water, average academics in the league, and not prohibitive cost of attendance. It doesn't surprise me that they are usually the top of the league in all of their sports and is a very winnable place to coach at.  But at the current pay, you can make more being a high school AD or working in the front office of a D-1 or D-2 athletic department.  If they want to have more stability they need to pay more, but they're getting a pretty good bang for their buck now so I don't see a reason to change.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 31, 2014, 11:46:02 PM
Hoopdirt has Franklin Pierce's head coach David Chadbourne as a finalist for the Endicott Job. How are they pulling that off? Dude has done a great job there and even gotten them to the elite eight, yet he's considering a CCC job?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 01, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on July 31, 2014, 11:46:02 PM
Hoopdirt has Franklin Pierce's head coach David Chadbourne as a finalist for the Endicott Job. How are they pulling that off? Dude has done a great job there and even gotten them to the elite eight, yet he's considering a CCC job?

Much easier recruiting and a better location?  I also wonder if coach's don't see the writing on the wall pretty easily and jump from success right as it crests.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 01, 2014, 10:26:20 AM
But it's a Division 2 job in the NE-10, where he's already having success and is coming off 3 straight 20 win seasons including an Elite eight run two years ago. It'd be much easier for him to move up to a D-1 job from there then it would be from Endicott. And I can't imagine that it'd be a huge pay increase to Endicott unless Franklin Pierce is paying peanuts. And all of that aside, if he was going to move to a D-3 job, you'd think it'd be to a better conference than the CCC which is almost always a one bid conference.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 01, 2014, 11:40:11 AM
Let's be honest... an Elite Eight run in Division II isn't as impressive as Division III or Division I. Smaller field (32) and thus less games. I am not trying to belittle a run to the final eight, but it is a bit easier in a division where there are less games and arguably a far wider distance between the really good teams and the also-rans in the tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 01, 2014, 12:08:40 PM
Yeah there's less teams, but still he's in the final 8 of over 250 teams.  And for the most part the top D-2 coaches leave their positions for D-1 jobs,  not D-3. And most D-2 jobs pay more than D-3.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 02, 2014, 12:25:38 PM

What I'm saying is that unless he thinks he can create a dynasty at Franklin Pierce, he might have just gotten out at the peak of his success.  If he's really after a d1 job, they're not going to care what division he went from, they're going to look for continued success.

He lands and Endicott, if they do well for a few years, he moves up the ranks to something bigger.  Frankly, if you want to be a head coach at the d1 level, d3 might be a better place to prove it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 02, 2014, 11:43:06 PM
But you don't leave your peak for a lesser job. Even if he wanted to go the D-3 route, there's other places where its easier to win at than Endicott.

But your argument about how its easier to move up at a D-3 school than a D-2 isn't valid. D-1 and D-2 are similar in that you get to offer scholarships in both, in D-3 you have to find other ways to sell your school. Also there's more overlap of AAU and High school teams to make connections with in the D-1 pool and D-2 pool than the D-1 and D-3 pool. Finally more D-2 coaches are hired for D-1 jobs than D-3 coaches are. Since 1999, only 9 coaches have gone straight from D-3 to D-1. Just in recent years you have Michael Grant going to Coppin State, Casey going to Niagara, Cluess going to Iona and Kim Anderson going to Missouri straight from the D-2 ranks. 

This wouldn't be a move that's about trying to help his career. It would have to be for money which is surprising that Endicott pays that much more than Franklin Pierce. It's also surprising because after his elite eight run he should have all the job security in the world for the next 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on August 03, 2014, 08:36:35 AM
This could very well have something to do with it:

http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/franklin-pierce-university-credit-downgraded/article_bd950d4a-7767-5a6a-a6e8-d167065e15a0.html

Not good times for Franklin Pierce as an institution right now, and he's always been one of the lesser paid coaches in the NE10

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 04, 2014, 01:15:31 AM
Well that'll do it. If Endicott doesn't offer him the job I'll be surprised. Also surprised they haven't made a decision yet. It's really screwing over the players. They don't know who they'll be playing for and at this point its too late to go someplace else.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: northeasthoopfan on August 04, 2014, 07:20:01 AM
Jackson 5

If they don't get Chadbourne, the other three finalists are terrific candidates as well, so Endicott will end up with someone very qualified.

When I first saw the finalists, I figured Kevin Bettencourt would have a great shot, seeing as he is well known from his playing days in that area (Peabody High School). Guess we will have to wait and see!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 04, 2014, 10:07:19 AM

I'm not really arguing against you, just trying to offer alternative possibilities.

My time around coaches has led me to believe that they put a lot less stock in the division distinctions than the rest of us.  They look much more at results - I don't think coaches would care much about the difference between Endicott and Franklin Pierce.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 04, 2014, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: northeasthoopfan on August 04, 2014, 07:20:01 AM
Jackson 5

If they don't get Chadbourne, the other three finalists are terrific candidates as well, so Endicott will end up with someone very qualified.

When I first saw the finalists, I figured Kevin Bettencourt would have a great shot, seeing as he is well known from his playing days in that area (Peabody High School). Guess we will have to wait and see!

I like Bettencourt, local guy that I'm sure has some good connections to the local programs. Concerned about not having any head coaching experience which causes greater risk. But I like his resume and the local ties could lead to this being a  career job and have give Endicott some stability.

Aaron Kelly has potential to. He has experience at Williams and has D-1 connections. The lack of head coaching experience draws the same red flags. But everyone has to start somewhere and most CCC schools aren't going to get guys with head coaching experience.

The Mark Gilbride name doesn't make much sense to me. He's been connected with a bunch of jobs but he hasn't really done anything spectacular at Clarkson. He's the one I'd be most disappointed with if Endicott hired.

I'd go Chadbourne, Bettencourt, Kelly, Gilbride as my order for who Endicott should try to hire.  I also noticed that all of these coaches have connections to coaching at academically superior institutions, wonder if that's the direction that the school wants to start going in in recruiting athletes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: northeasthoopfan on August 05, 2014, 11:30:58 PM
Bettencourt officially in at Endicott

http://ecgulls.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20140805v5y1qe

Called my shot a little bit there, haha. Never go against the local guy!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 06, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
Good get for them. Chadbourne would've been a steal, but I like Bettencourt's resume.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 19, 2014, 08:01:37 AM

I was checking out schedules yesterday - all but two teams have what appears to be complete schedules up.  Wentworth is taking on a tall task, including a regular season game against cross-street "rival" Boston University.

Curry's also got a pretty tough slate.

ENC should have a great record again this year.  I know they had a lot of interest from stronger non-conference foes, but they were already locked into a weak schedule (I guess planning on next year to be the breakout).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 21, 2014, 11:46:28 AM
WNE hasn't posted their schedule yet but the Non-conference opponents are @Clark,  Westfield, Springfield, West Conn, Lyndon State then playing at Keene States tournament featuring Wheaton, Keene and Johnson State with Wheaton being the first game. A 3-3 or 4-2 record against that schedule shouldn't be that much unexpected.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2014, 01:12:36 PM

I saw ENC has their roster up.  Looks like ten newcomers (6 freshmen and 4 transfers, if I count correctly).  I know they lost Gomes from last year and an incoming freshman PG to injury.  The roster is full of little guys, so I doubt it will impact the ball handling.  I do hear the transfer center, Ramirez from California, will be a real force.  We'll see.

I'll keep checking for rosters now that practice has begun.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2014, 11:37:56 PM

Salve has their roster up - sort of.  Returners are there along with five freshman names - but no real info.  Pringle is listed - so we'll get to see he and Hanlon playing together.  One heck of a backcourt.


WNE has four freshmen listed (two guards, two forwards), plus two transfers from Florida (the state, not the gators).  DeFeo is back for a fifth year and no Min Lin on the roster at all.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on October 28, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
Gordon has their roster up and they looks like they brought back all their returning players.  In addition for what seems like the first time in his tenure Todd Murphy has brought in a sizable recruiting class, 7 players in total.

2  Dylan Marshall           Fr.  G 5-10 160   Purcellville, Va. Woodgrove
5  Jaren Yang                Fr.  G 5-8 150     San Francisco, Calif. Saint Ignatius College Prep
10  Steven Vampatella   Fr.  F 6-6 170      Mansfield, Conn. E.O. Smith
11  Lucas Pierre Barbey  Fr.  G 6-1 170     St. George's, Bermuda Blair Academy
15  Jake Hart                 Fr.  G 5-11 185   Allendale, N.J. Hawthorn Christian Academy
21  Graham Tienhaara    Fr.  F 6-4 185     Holden, Mass. Whitinsville Christian
24  Carter Bras              Fr.  F 6-4 200     Coppell, Texas Grapevine Faith Christian

Don't know much about these guys but from what I have seen/read online, Marshall and Yang appear to be ball handling guards, that can get to the rim at times and are spot up shooters.  Barbey went to Blair Academy which is one of the better prep schools in New Jersey and puts out a few D1 players a year.  If he got minutes there he should be a good player who is able to jump in and play right away.  The others are a bit unknown but Tienhaara comes from Whitinsville Christian which produced the Bajema's and Hans Miersma so he will be interesting to watch develop.  Over all looks to be a good sized class and the new comers should compliment the returning players well.  If one on them can run the point that would help a great deal.  Should be an interesting season. 

Anyone know anything about any of these guys?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on October 28, 2014, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 21, 2014, 11:37:56 PM

Salve has their roster up - sort of.  Returners are there along with five freshman names - but no real info.  Pringle is listed - so we'll get to see he and Hanlon playing together.  One heck of a backcourt.


WNE has four freshmen listed (two guards, two forwards), plus two transfers from Florida (the state, not the gators).  DeFeo is back for a fifth year and no Min Lin on the roster at all.

Error in WNE's roster that's been updated. Harrison Chipkin has become a student assistant and he was replaced with Michael Gelineux, a transfer out of UMass-Lowell
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on October 28, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Maq Diesel on October 28, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
Gordon has their roster up and they looks like they brought back all their returning players.  In addition for what seems like the first time in his tenure Todd Murphy has brought in a sizable recruiting class, 7 players in total.

2  Dylan Marshall           Fr.  G 5-10 160   Purcellville, Va. Woodgrove
5  Jaren Yang                Fr.  G 5-8 150     San Francisco, Calif. Saint Ignatius College Prep
10  Steven Vampatella   Fr.  F 6-6 170      Mansfield, Conn. E.O. Smith
11  Lucas Pierre Barbey  Fr.  G 6-1 170     St. George's, Bermuda Blair Academy
15  Jake Hart                 Fr.  G 5-11 185   Allendale, N.J. Hawthorn Christian Academy
21  Graham Tienhaara    Fr.  F 6-4 185     Holden, Mass. Whitinsville Christian
24  Carter Bras              Fr.  F 6-4 200     Coppell, Texas Grapevine Faith Christian

Don't know much about these guys but from what I have seen/read online, Marshall and Yang appear to be ball handling guards, that can get to the rim at times and are spot up shooters.  Barbey went to Blair Academy which is one of the better prep schools in New Jersey and puts out a few D1 players a year.  If he got minutes there he should be a good player who is able to jump in and play right away.  The others are a bit unknown but Tienhaara comes from Whitinsville Christian which produced the Bajema's and Hans Miersma so he will be interesting to watch develop.  Over all looks to be a good sized class and the new comers should compliment the returning players well.  If one on them can run the point that would help a great deal.  Should be an interesting season. 

Anyone know anything about any of these guys?

Vampatella went to same high school as the Olander brothers (Uconn,Fairfield) and Ethan O'Day (UVM). Good school to come from.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 29, 2014, 04:43:27 PM

A couple more rosters are up or fleshed out.  It looks like we'll be seeing some new faces in the post.  We talked about ENC's big guy and Vampatella at Gordon.  I notice one of Salve's freshmen is listed at 6'5" 218 - plus UNE (and I'll admit I have no recollection of anyone who played for UNE at all last year) has three sophomores at 6'8, 6'9", and 6'10".  UNE's got a long roster - there's a guy from Spain on there.  Who knows what they'll put on the floor.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Buzzerbeater on October 30, 2014, 06:32:19 PM
Salve's Fr guards Boggs and Morton are both from Tabor academy . Boggs is a play maker with great floor vision who will push the ball up the floor at light speed!  He is also an excellent defender. Morton is more of a run and gun wing, with the ability to knock down the 3's off ball screens. I could see him playing the 2 or 3. Both nice pieces for the future
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2014, 07:53:03 AM

Obviously we haven't seen the coach's poll yet, but I'm thinking Salve - 1, Gordon -2, ENC-3 to start off the year?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 10, 2014, 10:17:48 AM
2014-2015 CCC Preview

1.  Salve Regina  - Hanlon is supposedly out until the 2nd semester but with him and Pringle and the big time recruiting class they brought in, the Seahawks are my pick in 15.

2. Gordon - Fresh off the first NCAA Tournament win for a CCC in a really long time, I think it's time to recognize that Tod Murphy is the best coach in this league. That coupled with the return of Miresma and Bajema, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they take it down again.

3. Eastern Naz- Athleticism goes a long way in a league like the CCC where a lot of teams play station to station. Also it's a tough place to play.

4. Endicott- All the pieces are there, but all the pieces have been there for the last few years, will be interesting to see what the new coach does with them.

5. RWU- Played a lot of freshman last year, seems like a strong group.

6. Nichols- The last of Dave Sokolnicki's guys are now gone. Also they made a...let's say...interesting hire.

7. Curry- It will all depend on who they bring in at the break.

8. Wentworth- Tailspin continues for the Leopards. Lost most of their talent and didn't bring in a terrible impressive class.

9.  WNEU- If Thuelen's assistant coaches could suit up they'd be pretty good. 

10.  UNE- Still a mess.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2014, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on November 10, 2014, 10:17:48 AM
2014-2015 CCC Preview

1.  Salve Regina  - Hanlon is supposedly out until the 2nd semester but with him and Pringle and the big time recruiting class they brought in, the Seahawks are my pick in 15.

2. Gordon - Fresh off the first NCAA Tournament win for a CCC in a really long time, I think it's time to recognize that Tod Murphy is the best coach in this league. That coupled with the return of Miresma and Bajema, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they take it down again.

3. Eastern Naz- Athleticism goes a long way in a league like the CCC where a lot of teams play station to station. Also it's a tough place to play.

4. Endicott- All the pieces are there, but all the pieces have been there for the last few years, will be interesting to see what the new coach does with them.

5. RWU- Played a lot of freshman last year, seems like a strong group.

6. Nichols- The last of Dave Sokolnicki's guys are now gone. Also they made a...let's say...interesting hire.

7. Curry- It will all depend on who they bring in at the break.

8. Wentworth- Tailspin continues for the Leopards. Lost most of their talent and didn't bring in a terrible impressive class.

9.  WNEU- If Thuelen's assistant coaches could suit up they'd be pretty good. 

10.  UNE- Still a mess.

Sounds fine to me.  I think those last five spots are completely up in the air.  Nichols brings in an "interesting" coach mostly because there's not a lot to choose from when you don't pay a full-time salary.  He'll be there two years, tops, win or lose.

UNE intrigues me.  Their roster has lots of curious names and numbers.  I will be interested in what they can put together.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on November 10, 2014, 01:21:07 PM
That list is mostly based off of what teams bring back from last year and not what they bring in this year I see.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: GnacAlum55 on November 10, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Don't sleep on WNEU.  Gelineau was a walk on at UMass-Lowell, but had a really good career at Waltham.  DeFeo is a vet who can lead a team at the DIII level.

Also, I think ENC will contend for the title.  By far the most athletic team in the CCC (sorry Curry).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2014, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: GnacAlum55 on November 10, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Don't sleep on WNEU.  Gelineau was a walk on at UMass-Lowell, but had a really good career at Waltham.  DeFeo is a vet who can lead a team at the DIII level.

Also, I think ENC will contend for the title.  By far the most athletic team in the CCC (sorry Curry).

ENC's had some bad injury luck this year; their athleticism has taken a hit.  I'm still pretty optimistic, but it may take some time for them to feel themselves out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: northeasthoopfan on November 10, 2014, 09:37:20 PM
So, I'm definitely not an expert regarding Division III coaching hires, but why is the new Nichols coach considered "interesting" in what seems to be a condescending way.

I don't have any connection to the school or the coach, I'm just curious. His resume seems to be about right for the job. Was Nichols expecting more?

Any insight appreciated!

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 11, 2014, 07:18:40 AM
Quote from: northeasthoopfan on November 10, 2014, 09:37:20 PM
So, I'm definitely not an expert regarding Division III coaching hires, but why is the new Nichols coach considered "interesting" in what seems to be a condescending way.

I don't have any connection to the school or the coach, I'm just curious. His resume seems to be about right for the job. Was Nichols expecting more?

Any insight appreciated!

Nichols can't keep a coach because they don't pay a full-time salary.  I have no idea why he called it "interesting," I was merely commenting that anyone who questions their choices usually has a good explanation for why they do so.

Personally, I'm amazed they continue to get coaches who seem to be somewhat competent.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 11, 2014, 09:21:05 AM
I agree with Hoops Fan to a point- although Malcolm Wynn does a pretty great job as a PT coach in a FT league.

My "interesting" take was that it seems odd to hire a coach from a very high academic level at a program that runs a ton of slowdown set plays, to take over Nichols where they have a team built to run-

I tired to factor in recruiting classes as best I could. I think Salve's class is very strong, and I've heard good things about the RWU freshman, but I will tell you I can never remember a year in my 12 years following this league that a freshman class has really made a huge difference in a league race. Vets win in this league, now and then.



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 11, 2014, 03:12:37 PM

That's true.  Even what I think is the best ever freshman class - which was the Colby-Sawyer class with Andrew St. Clair way, way back - they showed promise, but it didn't swing the league that year.

Wynn is also a pretty unique scenario.  He was already a PT coach and doesn't seem to ever aim to be anything else.  Curry got real lucky with that one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on November 11, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
Personally I don't understand the point of having a program if you're going to have a part time coach. If you can't afford it for basketball, then you shouldn't have a football or lacrosse program, especially one that's not competitive. I agree with whoever said it's amazing that Curry is still competitive with a part time coach. I honestly don't know how you can find someone to put in the hours for  recruiting, practices, scouting and traveling on game days when they have to have a regular 9-5 job to.  If you find someone that's willing to do it, you have to worry about them jumping ship every two seconds because a majority of assistant jobs at the D-2 and D-3 level pay more than you, probably some D-3 jobs to.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on November 12, 2014, 01:23:00 AM
Quote from: GnacAlum55 on November 10, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Don't sleep on WNEU.  Gelineau was a walk on at UMass-Lowell, but had a really good career at Waltham.  DeFeo is a vet who can lead a team at the DIII level.

Also, I think ENC will contend for the title.  By far the most athletic team in the CCC (sorry Curry).

Agreed. They won't be a title contender, but Gelineau, DeFeo and Askew is enough to be midpack in this league.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: northeasthoopfan on November 12, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
Ah, okay that makes much more sense, regarding part-time salary.

Have to agree with the above post: I can't imagine how someone can do this part-time and be successful at it. Seems like there just aren't enough hours in the day!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2014, 09:38:09 PM

So, I've been told we will get the preseason poll tomorrow (Friday) in anticipation of the season kicking off on Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on November 13, 2014, 10:37:17 PM
Was wondering when it was finally gonna drop
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Maq Diesel on November 14, 2014, 12:28:44 PM
2014-15 CCC Men's Basketball Preseason Coaches' Poll[/b]
Team Points (First Place Votes)
1. Eastern Nazarene 87 (3)
2. Gordon 84 (2)
3. Endicott 80 (2)
4. Salve Regina 77 (3)
5. Nichols 66
6. Roger Williams 50
7. Wentworth 39
8. Curry 27
9. Western New England 22
10. University of  New England 18
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on November 14, 2014, 05:03:20 PM
WNE is too low. They'll be 6-7th the potential to get a home game if they can get all the bounces this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2014, 04:43:11 PM

I know it's only Maine-Maritime, but UNE looked a little better than I expected.  Similarly, it's only NEC, but ENC is looking much better than I expected.  Their test will still come against more athletic squads, but the new additions down low and proving very helpful early on - lots of fouls to throw at Miersma later this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2014, 10:10:41 PM

UNE, ENC, and Roger Williams beat far inferior opponents.  WNE pulls out a squeaker against Wheaton; Nichols loses a close one to Bates.  Wentworth and Curry look to be pretty bad this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: scout on November 16, 2014, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 15, 2014, 10:10:41 PM

UNE, ENC, and Roger Williams beat far inferior opponents.  WNE pulls out a squeaker against Wheaton; Nichols loses a close one to Bates.  Wentworth and Curry look to be pretty bad this year.

seems like the talent discrepancy between the top and bottom halves of the league is increasing over the years. that just might be a result of my increased distance from it all, but over the past few years, it's enc, gordon, salve, curry... and everyone else. une had a couple great years with their texas transplants. it's an unfinished thought, i know.

in any case, gordon scheduled a difficult first week. their annual loss to mit on tuesday and then a trip to rochester for a two game tourney. good chance to start 0-3
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bucket on November 16, 2014, 08:32:08 PM
This is a different UNE team, I believe.

Sophomore transfer point guard from Texas is the engine that drives this team now. Quick, very good defender. Can shoot and get to the hole.

Sophomore transfer from Turkey is another big fella—six-nine—is another big body to go with the 6-8 and 6-10 bigs.

And the shooting guard who missed most of last season due to injury can really light it up.

I think this team will win some games this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2014, 11:05:23 PM

Yeah, those UNE newbies might be pretty good.  They gave Middlebury a scare tonight.  Midd is down a bit, but that's an impressive show.

Nichols kicked the crap out of Salve - and the Bates team NC almost beat last night took out nationally ranked Babson this evening.  Who knew it was Ryan Sheehan holding them back all this time?

RWU and WIT continue to look really bad.  WNE lost at Keene and Curry beat a truly awful Alfred State squad.

Conference play should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bucket on November 17, 2014, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 16, 2014, 11:05:23 PM

Yeah, those UNE newbies might be pretty good.  They gave Middlebury a scare tonight.  Midd is down a bit, but that's an impressive show.

Nichols kicked the crap out of Salve - and the Bates team NC almost beat last night took out nationally ranked Babson this evening.  Who knew it was Ryan Sheehan holding them back all this time?

RWU and WIT continue to look really bad.  WNE lost at Keene and Curry beat a truly awful Alfred State squad.

Conference play should be very interesting.

I'd argue that Midd's not down. I believe the Panthers will have a better season than they had last year, which was still a top four NESCAC finish. They key will be if Matt Daley comes back healthy in the new year after having a stress fracture diagnosed last week. From what I hear, he was the best player on the floor the first two weeks of practice.  With a healthy Daley, Midd can very well win the conference this year. Even without him, the Panthers will be in the thick of it and should conceivably finish in the top four.

In a very deep conference this year, NESCAC watchers are still pegging the Panthers from 1 to 3 or 4.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on November 17, 2014, 09:37:26 AM
Wentworth gets their running game going they could be ok.

40 freaking points?

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2014, 12:30:21 PM
Quote from: Bucket on November 17, 2014, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 16, 2014, 11:05:23 PM

Yeah, those UNE newbies might be pretty good.  They gave Middlebury a scare tonight.  Midd is down a bit, but that's an impressive show.

Nichols kicked the crap out of Salve - and the Bates team NC almost beat last night took out nationally ranked Babson this evening.  Who knew it was Ryan Sheehan holding them back all this time?

RWU and WIT continue to look really bad.  WNE lost at Keene and Curry beat a truly awful Alfred State squad.

Conference play should be very interesting.

I'd argue that Midd's not down. I believe the Panthers will have a better season than they had last year, which was still a top four NESCAC finish. They key will be if Matt Daley comes back healthy in the new year after having a stress fracture diagnosed last week. From what I hear, he was the best player on the floor the first two weeks of practice.  With a healthy Daley, Midd can very well win the conference this year. Even without him, the Panthers will be in the thick of it and should conceivably finish in the top four.

In a very deep conference this year, NESCAC watchers are still pegging the Panthers from 1 to 3 or 4.

Ok, so they're not down from last year, but they're still below their peak of recent years.  That's all I meant.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Buzzerbeater on November 17, 2014, 04:00:40 PM
UNE guard play was exceptional all weekend! Especially on the offensive side of the ball. Their dribble drive to a dish or kick out kept a balanced attack between the New Bigs in the paint and Thompson getting open 3 looks. If the Bigs are coached up so they call stay out of foul trouble, they have a nice rotation of  3 Bigs and  4 guards that could be enough to come out on top of the league.
As far as Midd they out rebound UNE  52-38 and because of that we're able to take 13 more shots than UNE, but Midd shooting was at an uncharacteristic 30 percent??  KUDOS to UNE D or an off night for Midd?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Bucket on November 17, 2014, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: Buzzerbeater on November 17, 2014, 04:00:40 PM
UNE guard play was exceptional all weekend! Especially on the offensive side of the ball. Their dribble drive to a dish or kick out kept a balanced attack between the New Bigs in the paint and Thompson getting open 3 looks. If the Bigs are coached up so they call stay out of foul trouble, they have a nice rotation of  3 Bigs and  4 guards that could be enough to come out on top of the league.
As far as Midd they out rebound UNE  52-38 and because of that we're able to take 13 more shots than UNE, but Midd shooting was at an uncharacteristic 30 percent??  KUDOS to UNE D or an off night for Midd?

I agree with your assessment of UNE guards—those two guys (#10 and #3), especially, will give teams fits this year.

I think the Midd shooting percentage was a combination of good perimeter and interior D and off nights for Midd shooters....a little bit of both, that is to say.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2014, 08:02:50 PM


Looks like Pringle finally showed up for Salve tonight.  (He is coming off a major injury, so there's plenty of excuses for a slow start).  If they do indeed get Hanlon back after Christmas has been rumored, they might end up being the team we expected.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2014, 08:10:49 PM

ENC beat Colby tonight at the UMASS-Boston tournament.  Always nice to get a CCC over NESCAC victory (especially when it's someone other than Connecticut College).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: amh63 on November 29, 2014, 05:40:02 PM
Hoops fan...a little harsh on Conn College! :). Just want you to know that a new poster on the CAC board wanted some info/details wrt to the ENC win over Colby at the UMassB tourny.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2014, 06:37:38 PM
Turns out the win yesterday against Colby was ENC's first win against a NESCAC opponent since 1996.  They took out UMass-Boston today as well to move to 7-0.  The schedule's been very light (up until this weekend), but they're playing decently.  I've watched two games entirely at this point: slow start with lots of mistakes in the first half, with better defense and all-around play in the second (usually to make up deficits).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2014, 05:08:10 PM

Conference play kick off tonight.

WNE @ CC
WIT @ SRU
ENC @ UNE
GC @ EC
NC @ RWU

We'll start to answer a few questions tonight: Is UNE as improved as they've hinted at?  Is Salve good or bad this year (they've been both so far)?  Who's king of the North Shore?  Just how good are those Roger Williams freshmen? Is anyone going to watch the WNE - Curry matchup?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2014, 10:02:41 PM

So, not a lot to see tonight as I looked through the scores.  ENC beat UNE.  WIT (sort of surprisingly) demolished Salve, but it sure seems Pringle is not the same post-injury.  Sad, but not unexpected.  WNE beat Curry.  Then we get to the GC-EC rivalry, which went to OT, per usual.  Gordon pulled it out on the back of a 23-24 night from Miersma.  Yeah.  24 rebounds.  Gordon had 60 as a team.  60!  Sixty!  The teams didn't even shoot that terribly, they just shot a lot.  Dempsey added 20 and 13.  Gordon barely hit a three; Endicott had a ton of them.  Nichols and Roger Williams has no score yet.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2014, 09:45:07 PM

ENC gets roasted by Endicott at home.  Jaylen Owens put up a Kobe line - 24 points on 10-26 shooting.  EC killed them on the boards and shot the lights out in the first half.

Roger Williams took care of Salve, WIT beat Curry handily.  Nichols continues it's big run, knocking out Gordon in Wenham 68-57.

Did anyone, in a million year, expect Nichols to be the cream of the conference?  Losing their best player in at least the last decade, plus a coach?  This dude from MIT must really know what he's doing.  Langadas always looked good, but we rarely saw it on the floor.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2015, 11:14:57 PM

Pringle didn't play tonight.  Off the roster.  I imagine he's retired from basketball.  Sad end to a great career.  Would've been a heck of a team last year without the injury.  All the best.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2015, 09:23:53 PM

ENC's Jaylen Owens hit a three with about four seconds left to beat Roger Williams (and end an ugly, ugly game).

Gordon beat UNE, Endicott took out Salve, and WIT over UNE.

Nichols handled Curry and continues to look very good.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2015, 07:51:08 PM

So is Nichols more invested in the athletic program now?  I keep hearing they only have a part-time head coach, but they hired this guy from MIT who you'd think would have better options.  Now they seem to have non-students doing the play-by-play (or else their communications program is fantastic).  Not sure what to make of that.

Pretty much what I figured with a Nichols win tonight over Endicott.  I'll be interested to see what Nichols does with ENC; I imagine that's a more difficult match-up problem for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on January 16, 2015, 10:27:42 AM
It's probably just the SID or someone else who works in the athletic department doing the play by play. That's how most schools do it in D-3.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2015, 09:27:57 AM

ENC hosts Nichols, winner leads the conference.  I'm very interested in how this plays out.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2015, 07:50:34 PM

Halftime in Quincy.  Both teams seemed to stifle the others' offense pretty well.  ENC got sloppy at the end of the half and Nichols capitalized to push a one point lead out to 12 (42-30).  Nichols' pressure is very tough and they're getting lots of boards against the undersized Lions.  It really seems like Nichols is the better squad, more disciplined, more focused, more size.  The talent drops off pretty quickly when they go to the bench, but they haven't really missed a beat because of it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2015, 08:58:04 PM

Nichols is definitely a first half team.  ENC is a second half team.  It was 70-71 with a minute to play and that's how it ended.  Refs refused to bail out ENC on an off-balance last second shot.  Nichols has a two game lead in the conference, with a tiebreaker.  It's theirs to lose.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2015, 07:01:00 PM

Exciting game at Endicott, likely deciding the 2nd place position (and a home semifinal) - Endicott over ENC 73-70.  ENC was down 11 with about 6 to go, went on a 12-0 run and kept it close throughout.  Jaylen Owens scored 32, but couldn't get a good look to tie at the end.

If ENC could only put together a decent first half, they'd be unstoppable, because the second half is always fantastic.  They're only losing one guy, so I guess there's always next year.

Should be a fun playoffs for sure, though.

ENC, Nichols, and Endicott have all clinched playoff berths at this point.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:30:32 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2015, 02:33:07 PM

Nichols isn't in this week, but if they continue to win, they'll be in next week.  I'm guessing they're 13, 14, or 15 right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on February 11, 2015, 04:40:28 PM
Nichols should be on here
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2015, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on February 11, 2015, 04:40:28 PM
Nichols should be on here


They don't have the SOS for it just yet.  I suspect they're just off the page.  Williams' SOS is just too high to deny them right now.

Nichols still has Endicott and ENC on the schedule, so that will help the SOS a bit.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2015, 07:15:00 PM

Nichols definitely not getting ranked now.  Endicott with the win.  If ENC beat Nichols, EC wins the conference (assuming all the other games are wins for everybody).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2015, 08:48:03 AM


Big game tonight.  If ENC wins, Endicott is in the driver's seat for the regular season championship (due to tiebreakers).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2015, 07:21:15 PM

Nichols took a 14 point lead early in the second half.  ENC came all the way back to tie it at 62.  Then there was a technical foul on the Lions - I didn't get to see the play - but that killed all the momentum for ENC.  Nichols pulled out to big lead, then things got sloppy.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2015, 09:40:24 PM

It's that time of year again - one conference game remaining for everyone.

1 - Nichols with a win, Endicott with a win and Nichols loss.
2 - Whoever doesn't get #1
3 - ENC
4 - WIT
5 - Gordon
6 - WNE with a win or RWU with a WNE loss
7 - Whoever doesn't get #6
8 - UNE
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2015, 04:57:27 PM

(1) Nichols hosts (8) UNE
(2) Endicott hosts (7) WNE
(3) ENC hosts (6) Roger Williams
(4) Wentworth hosts (5) Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on February 24, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Nichols, Wentworth, Eastern Naz and Endicott are the winners today.

Wentworth knocks off Nichols. Endicott beats Eastern.

Endicott beats WIT.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2015, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on February 24, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Nichols, Wentworth, Eastern Naz and Endicott are the winners today.

Wentworth knocks off Nichols. Endicott beats Eastern.

Endicott beats WIT.

I think Wentworth loses first round.  I don't think ENC will lose to Endicott again, but I'm not sure they can get past Nichols.

I'm glad they play actual games and I don't have to decide.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: lindgren34 on February 24, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
Ya I think endicott is by far the second best team in the league.  If the championship isn't Nichols Endicott,  I'll be a sad customer. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2015, 04:58:30 PM
Quote from: lindgren34 on February 24, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
Ya I think endicott is by far the second best team in the league.  If the championship isn't Nichols Endicott,  I'll be a sad customer.

I think it's more matchups.  ENC doesn't have a post presence, so they match up better with Nichols.  Endicott gives them trouble, but both teams are turnover prone, so there's room for either team to gain some momentum.

I think we can all agree, if any of those three lose tonight, it will be a big surprise.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: lindgren34 on February 24, 2015, 05:02:12 PM
NC played literally one bad half all second semester and EC had a lead at half that was insurmountable.  That won't happen again I feel in the championship in front of a crazy Nichlos crowd.  Shoutout as well to Irv And Walker for POY award. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2015, 08:51:57 PM



OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh.


I watched the last eight minutes of the Nichols-UNE game.  Both teams were terrible.  No defense to speak of, tons of missed shots.  Ugly ball.  Then Langadas comes down, ice in his veins, pulls up from the FT line, swish.  Two seconds left.

UNE calls time out, draws up a crazy good play - 3/4 court pass to the three point line, tipped over to the side, guarded three to win at the buzzer.  #1 is done.

I'd be curious to see if the clock started on time - it seemed more than two seconds, but maybe not.  Either way, great finish.  Both shots were excellent - plus, one less really good team for the rest of the league to get through.  WIT has to be loving this.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2015, 07:57:16 PM

Endicott came out with the right defense - forcing ENC into mid-range shots.  Lions only took 4 or 5 threes in the first half, still had a one point lead.  This will be a good one.

ENC not hitting FTs (achilles heel much?).
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2015, 08:15:19 PM

EC by 1 with nine minutes to go.  The Gulls have almost completely neutralized the Wagners for ENC.  Alex Jarmin, ENC's lone senior, with something like 20 rebounds - only reason they're still in this.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2015, 09:10:00 PM

Wentworth at Endicott saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on February 27, 2015, 01:39:49 PM
Well I got the championship game right. I figured that WIT would be one of the few teams that would get Nichols to slow down and not be able to outrun teams. Turns out UNE was able to ugly the game up.

Endicott is going to roll over WIT though. They are the best team in this conference. They are the most balanced between guards and big men and they have the best player in the conference in Walker. I don't how WIT is going to guard him and expect him to go off for 25+ points.  Was hoping that Nichols would get to the championship game, despite the NCAA rankings I did think they were worthy of an at-large. Being 1 and done killed that dream though. Best of luck in the ECAC's.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2015, 05:44:00 PM

Nichols needed to win at least two, probably three of those non-con losses to be considered for Pool C.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2015, 06:01:25 PM
Hate to say it... but Nichols wasn't getting in if they got to the championship game and lost as well. As Hoops Fan stated, they had to have more out of conference wins and work on their SOS - .502 isn't poor, but it is below average of at-large teams.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 27, 2015, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on February 27, 2015, 01:39:49 PM
Well I got the championship game right. I figured that WIT would be one of the few teams that would get Nichols to slow down and not be able to outrun teams. Turns out UNE was able to ugly the game up.

Endicott is going to roll over WIT though. They are the best team in this conference. They are the most balanced between guards and big men and they have the best player in the conference in Walker. I don't how WIT is going to guard him and expect him to go off for 25+ points.  Was hoping that Nichols would get to the championship game, despite the NCAA rankings I did think they were worthy of an at-large. Being 1 and done killed that dream though. Best of luck in the ECAC's.

According to this list http://static.psbin.com/y/9/m27lgs5yyxs0i1/2015_DIII_M_Basketball_Declared_Teams.pdf Nichols has withdrawn from the ECAC
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on February 28, 2015, 01:14:46 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 27, 2015, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: jackson5 on February 27, 2015, 01:39:49 PM
Well I got the championship game right. I figured that WIT would be one of the few teams that would get Nichols to slow down and not be able to outrun teams. Turns out UNE was able to ugly the game up.

Endicott is going to roll over WIT though. They are the best team in this conference. They are the most balanced between guards and big men and they have the best player in the conference in Walker. I don't how WIT is going to guard him and expect him to go off for 25+ points.  Was hoping that Nichols would get to the championship game, despite the NCAA rankings I did think they were worthy of an at-large. Being 1 and done killed that dream though. Best of luck in the ECAC's.

According to this list http://static.psbin.com/y/9/m27lgs5yyxs0i1/2015_DIII_M_Basketball_Declared_Teams.pdf Nichols has withdrawn from the ECAC

That's a mistake for them. Majority of the team returning next year. I would've done it for the extra practice time alone.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on February 28, 2015, 01:15:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2015, 06:01:25 PM
Hate to say it... but Nichols wasn't getting in if they got to the championship game and lost as well. As Hoops Fan stated, they had to have more out of conference wins and work on their SOS - .502 isn't poor, but it is below average of at-large teams.

I think if they lose a close game to Endicott in the championship they'd be in the discussion. Don't know if they'd get one though. Being one and done killed that talk though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2015, 01:25:54 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on February 28, 2015, 01:15:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2015, 06:01:25 PM
Hate to say it... but Nichols wasn't getting in if they got to the championship game and lost as well. As Hoops Fan stated, they had to have more out of conference wins and work on their SOS - .502 isn't poor, but it is below average of at-large teams.

I think if they lose a close game to Endicott in the championship they'd be in the discussion. Don't know if they'd get one though. Being one and done killed that talk though.

They aren't even regionally ranked currently in the largest region in the country. They aren't in the Northeast's top 11. I can't imagine they would lose in the title game to an unranked team and then jump into the rankings and ahead of some other very good, criteria-based, teams. Sorry. It wasn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2015, 05:31:43 PM
My plan is, right now, to head to Stockton for the Friday games.  If anyone from EC is heading down, be sure to look me up.


Stockton has a good team, but they're not that big.  They're deep with good ball handlers, but they've shown some shakiness.  EC could win with an A game on a bad Stockton night for sure.  I don't think it will be a blowout, but it might be pretty high scoring.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 29, 2015, 08:16:49 AM

Hey, I just saw ENC has a home game against WPI right after New Year's.  Good get for them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on June 30, 2015, 09:25:27 PM
How about Curry!?

They get rid of Coach Wynn who went to 2 NCAA Tournaments (Although admittedly had a few down years as well)

They hire a guy who went 21-70 at Wheelock...yikes. The rest of the league has to be happy with this one...
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 01, 2015, 08:28:57 AM

I don't know the details, but perhaps Curry was looking to go full time with its coaching position and Wynn didn't want to do that?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on July 01, 2015, 12:18:34 PM
No, still a part-time position at Curry.  Weird, eh?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 02, 2015, 08:57:16 AM

The choices of CCC schools never cease to amaze me.  Nothing surprises me anymore.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 04, 2015, 09:16:06 PM
Was it Curry's decision or Wynn's? If it was  curry that's a pretty quick hook for a part time gig.

For the replacement. You don't have many options being part time. I've said it before, I dont get the point of part time coaches. If you can't afford full time head coaches then don't have the team. Theres no way you can really expect a guy to give 100% and do his job fully if he has to have a side job to pay the bills.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on July 07, 2015, 11:26:15 AM
"pretty quick hook for a part time gig."  Huh???

Wynn was at Curry for 12 years (under .500 record).  How is that possibly a "quick hook"?????
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 07, 2015, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: NJBalla35 on July 07, 2015, 11:26:15 AM
"pretty quick hook for a part time gig."  Huh???

Wynn was at Curry for 12 years (under .500 record).  How is that possibly a "quick hook"?????

3 years ago he set program records for conference and overall wins along with having them in the NCAA tournament. And from 06-10 he had them in the Conference title game 3 out of the 4 years with a win. All this while 20 years before him curry didn't win anything. You'd think that get him more than 2 bad seasons before a pink slip.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on July 13, 2015, 11:15:31 AM
Maybe he can hook on at WNE: http://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-theulen-out-at-westen-new-england/ (ftp://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-theulen-out-at-westen-new-england/)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 14, 2015, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: NJBalla35 on July 13, 2015, 11:15:31 AM
Maybe he can hook on at WNE: http://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-theulen-out-at-westen-new-england/ (ftp://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-theulen-out-at-westen-new-england/)

Surprising but not shocking. It'll be interesting to see who the replacement is. If I'm WNE I'm giving Lindgren a call to see what he's up to. The talent he brought into Nichols shows what he can do, let him pursue the gig full time and hire a full staff and see what he can do.

The overall list of candidates should be interesting. Thats a place that could easily be like Endicott if they have the right man in charge.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: CCC Talk on July 19, 2015, 10:06:45 AM
Good post jeff....
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 19, 2015, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on July 19, 2015, 10:06:45 AM
Good post jeff....

He's on here under a different handle. If you check I wasn't a huge fan of him when he was in the league as I thought he just let Sheehan dominate and that's the reason for his success. Seeing how the guys he brought in did this year though and seeing the talent gap they had over half the league showed how good he was at recruiting.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 20, 2015, 07:31:24 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on July 19, 2015, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on July 19, 2015, 10:06:45 AM
Good post jeff....

He's on here under a different handle. If you check I wasn't a huge fan of him when he was in the league as I thought he just let Sheehan dominate and that's the reason for his success. Seeing how the guys he brought in did this year though and seeing the talent gap they had over half the league showed how good he was at recruiting.

The team they put together after Sheehan left leaves one to believe he could've gotten a lot more out of that team on the floor.  Also, he left on his own because he didn't want to coach anymore.  Maybe he's ready to come back, but do you want to hire that guy not knowing?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on July 20, 2015, 08:39:47 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on July 20, 2015, 07:31:24 AM
Quote from: jackson5 on July 19, 2015, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: CCC Talk on July 19, 2015, 10:06:45 AM
Good post jeff....

He's on here under a different handle. If you check I wasn't a huge fan of him when he was in the league as I thought he just let Sheehan dominate and that's the reason for his success. Seeing how the guys he brought in did this year though and seeing the talent gap they had over half the league showed how good he was at recruiting.

The team they put together after Sheehan left leaves one to believe he could've gotten a lot more out of that team on the floor.  Also, he left on his own because he didn't want to coach anymore.  Maybe he's ready to come back, but do you want to hire that guy not knowing?

Obviously if he doesn't want to coach you dont hire him.  I have no inside knowledge or idea of what either side wants. But I just believe he's a top 3 or 4 coach thats connected to this league the past few seasons. So if I was WNE I'd at least give him a call and see what he's up to. If he's fine being out of the basketball world then go on with the search somewhere else.

For how the roster could've done under him, 6 of the 7 leading scorers last year were underclassmen under Lindgren. It can be fair to say they just needed more time to develop which they obviously did.


And Lindgren isn't the only guy I like for the job. There's a handful of D-2 and D-3 assistants that I think would be good fit for the job. Its just easier to discuss possible success when the coach has recent head coaching experience. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 15, 2015, 09:49:44 AM
Three finalist released for WNE.

Kevin Hopkins, former Amherst player and assistant. Current Coaching Coordinator for the Warriors D-league team

Chris Orosko- AIC assistant. Spent time on Westfield, Anna Maria, Conn college, Clark and Kenyon staffs as an assistant. Short stint as Anna maria women's coach where he bombed.

Colin Tabb, prep school coach, runs basketball

I'd like Hopkins and Tabb, not a huge fan of Orosko.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on August 20, 2015, 12:01:53 AM
Looks like HoopDirt.com (http://hoopdirt.com) had it right again - http://hoopdirt.com/western-new-england-university-hires-tabb/ (http://hoopdirt.com/western-new-england-university-hires-tabb/)

Sounds like WNE made a good hire.  Any thoughts??
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 20, 2015, 08:45:35 AM

We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on August 20, 2015, 10:56:01 AM
I'd imagine that WNE will have a nice uptick in talent. 7 seniors this year, (3 do have 2 years of eligibility left though) using his AAU and Prep school connections would allow him to turn the roster over pretty well if he can sell.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: lindgren34 on November 06, 2015, 05:42:42 PM
I did apply to WNE and would have loved that job, but did not get a call.  No hard feelings, love that program and also AD/Former Coach Theulen.  Want to wish Coach Tabb the best of luck, he is a class act and deserves this opportunity. 

Who is ready for some CCC basketball!? 

#GoBison
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jackson5 on November 07, 2015, 01:14:56 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. Like I said I wouldve at least given you an interview if I was them.

Are you coaching anywhere? I heard rumors that you were at a prep school down south but then others said you were out of the game all together.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: lindgren34 on November 07, 2015, 01:19:30 PM
I did help out at a prep school last season.  Coached some AAU in the spring and helping a good friend out at a local hs this winter.  Will be looking for vacant positions this spring.  Two years off has been enough for me lol.  I am currently in Charleston, SC. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2015, 08:48:37 AM

ENC and Curry are hosting a dual tournament this weekend - two games at ENC Friday and two at Curry Saturday.  Pine Manor and U-Dallas are coming in.

I'm up for the holidays, planning to be at ENC on Friday if anyone is around.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2015, 07:27:48 AM

UNE has beaten both Bowdoin and Bates already this year.  Look out for the Noreasters.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2015, 08:52:38 PM

ENC shut down Walker and got by Endicott on the North Shore.  Good win.  Lions and RWU the only 2-0 teams after two conference games.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:31:02 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:53:22 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2016, 03:52:33 PM

Nichols got into the rankings.  Good for them.  They're not high enough to probably have any shot at Pool C, but it's a nice recognition.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
Yeah - that SOS is hurting them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2016, 08:19:10 PM
Regional rankings are finally out and with them comes plenty of upheaval around the country. What do the rankings really mean? What teams should everyone be watching this week? Who is jockeying to lock up their conference's regular season title?

On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh hopes to get a lot of these questions answered. McHugh will talk to coaches from around the country who have their teams poised to capture conference crowns or at while also positioning themselves the best they can in the regional rankings.

Hoopsville is on the air NOW, but you can also watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts (when the show is done) here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb11

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Janice Luck, No. 12 Albright women's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 8 Marietta men's coach
- Lance Loya, Mount Aloysius men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Tom Glynn, Nichols' men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 05:39:23 PM
It might be a holiday for those romantically inclined, but it is also getting down to the end of the Division III basketball season. Just two weeks remain between now and the end of the regular season and nothing has been determined.

On Sunday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh will talk to some teams who have emerged from no where to be in a position to surprise when their conference tournaments begin. McHugh also talks to a few teams who can't seem to be knocked off their conference pedestal, but still feel they have something to prove. And the hectic schedule of conference travel can take it's toll.

Sunday's show start at 7:00 pm ET and promises to go well into overtime. You can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb14

Guests included (in order of appearance):
- Tara Macciocco, Marywood women's coach
- Dr. George Barber, Greenville men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 8 St. Thomas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Rusty Eggen, Northeast Region Report, WPI Sports Information Director
- Angela Santa Fe, Regis (Mass.) women's coach
- Andy Partee, Colorado College men's coach

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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2016, 10:34:28 AM

We know which teams will be hosting first round games, but the seeds are all up in the air.  Salve is fighting to get into playoff position.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2016, 09:51:14 PM

After tonight, a win by ENC or loss by WIT secures #2 for ENC.  They win all the tiebreakers, I think.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2016, 05:10:38 PM

Conference tournament set:

WNE @ Nichols
UNE @ WIT
RWU @ ENC
Gordon @ Endicott
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:16:20 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 17, 2016, 07:20:24 AM

ENC has posted their head coaching position.  Another new face coming to the CCC for next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ronk on May 17, 2016, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 17, 2016, 07:20:24 AM

ENC has posted their head coaching position.  Another new face coming to the CCC for next year.

Are you a candidate? You could write about D3 ball from the real inside. :)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 18, 2016, 06:44:35 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 17, 2016, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 17, 2016, 07:20:24 AM

ENC has posted their head coaching position.  Another new face coming to the CCC for next year.

Are you a candidate? You could write about D3 ball from the real inside.

I'm hopeful there will be some good contenders for the job.  A lot of unique challenges at ENC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on June 02, 2016, 11:26:51 AM
Looks like ENC has found a coach: http://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-eastern-nazarene-college-set-to-name-new-head-coach/ (http://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-eastern-nazarene-college-set-to-name-new-head-coach/)
Not from the area, but not surprising considering the religious affiliation of the school.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 12:54:51 PM
As the season continues to march along, we continue to see more and more twists. There aren't many more answers despite being about halfway through the season.

Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave continues the coverage of the UWSP investigation and punishments. Athletics Director Brad Duckworth will join the show to discuss everything that lead up to the decision to suspend Bob Semling the rest of the season and why they handed the program over to Kent Dernbach.

Also tonight, the WBCA Center Court segment makes its season debut. The first guest this season will be Emory women's coach Christy Thomaskutty. Not only will we learn more about why Thomaskutty has been so intregal as a member of the WBCA board, but learn why she thinks it is important to give back to the game she loves. We will also learn more about the Eagles who have their first game in UAA action now complete.

We will also dip into the Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central regions to get a sense of how some teams off the radar, and others very much on, are doing as the midseason turn arrives. You can also contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag." Email questions you may have to the show at hoopsville@d3hoops.com.

Watch Hoopsville starting at 7:00 PM here (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan8) or on Facebook Live. You can also watch the show On Demand download and or listen to the podcast(s). Information below.

Guests and/or topics include (in order):
- Brad Duckworth, UW-Stevens Point Athletics Director
- Alex Lang, Brooklyn women's coach
- Christy Thomaskutty, Emory women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Charlie Averkamp, Benedictine women's coach
- Kevin Bettencourt, Endicott men's coach

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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 08, 2017, 12:06:21 PM
Given the performance of the top 3 teams in overall and in non-conference games (see below), does the CCC have any chance at receiving an at-large bid to the NCAAs this year?

1. Endicott: 17-4 Overall
5-2 Non-conference (Quality Wins: Middlebury, Salem St., Regis; Losses: Babson, Bridgewater St.)

2. Roger Williams: 17-4 Overall
6-1 Non-conference (Quality Wins: RIC, Connecticut College, uMass Dartmouth; Loss: Wheaton)

3. Nichols: 16-5 Overall
5-2 Non-conference (Quality Win: Lasell; Losses: Becker, Thomas (ME))
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: PeterEscobar on February 08, 2017, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 08, 2017, 12:06:21 PM
Given the performance of the top 3 teams in overall and in non-conference games (see below), does the CCC have any chance at receiving an at-large bid to the NCAAs this year?

1. Endicott: 17-4 Overall
5-2 Non-conference (Quality Wins: Middlebury, Salem St., Regis; Losses: Babson, Bridgewater St.)

2. Roger Williams: 17-4 Overall
6-1 Non-conference (Quality Wins: RIC, Connecticut College, uMass Dartmouth; Loss: Wheaton)

3. Nichols: 16-5 Overall
5-2 Non-conference (Quality Win: Lasell; Losses: Becker, Thomas (ME))
Probably not... The bottom of the conference just kills teams SOS... WNEU, Curry, Salve, UNE, etc. just don't help Endicott, RWU and Nichols chances at at-large bids. Especially with how many other teams are in region that they compete against for those precious few slots.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2017, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: PeterEscobar on February 08, 2017, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 08, 2017, 12:06:21 PM
Given the performance of the top 3 teams in overall and in non-conference games (see below), does the CCC have any chance at receiving an at-large bid to the NCAAs this year?

1. Endicott: 17-4 Overall
5-2 Non-conference (Quality Wins: Middlebury, Salem St., Regis; Losses: Babson, Bridgewater St.)

2. Roger Williams: 17-4 Overall
6-1 Non-conference (Quality Wins: RIC, Connecticut College, uMass Dartmouth; Loss: Wheaton)

3. Nichols: 16-5 Overall
5-2 Non-conference (Quality Win: Lasell; Losses: Becker, Thomas (ME))
Probably not... The bottom of the conference just kills teams SOS... WNEU, Curry, Salve, UNE, etc. just don't help Endicott, RWU and Nichols chances at at-large bids. Especially with how many other teams are in region that they compete against for those precious few slots.

No chance, I don't think. Teams have to be in the upper half of their regions, especially the Northeast, to have a reasonable chance. Yes, there will be plenty of movement, but as noted... the SOS numbers are pretty bad.

BTW - quality wins means nothing. That is your opinion on those wins, but they don't fit with the criteria that the NCAA uses. Those games will be used if there are common opponents, but quality wins really is nothing in this equation. Too subjective. Case in point, I would argue half of your quality wins are not quality wins at all: Salem St., Regis, RIC, Conn College). They aren't bad teams, but they are not quality wins.

Endicott's SOS: .499. Not horribly below .500, but anywhere around or below .500 is a red-alert for at-large hopes... thus why they weren't ranked.

Roger William's SOS: .456. Bad number.

Nichols' SOS: .460. Same. Bad.

Two things to keep in mind... if your WL% is .667 or below, no chance (and honestly, below .700 is dangerous) and if the SOS is below .500 (or really .520 or lower) and the chances are drying up.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2017, 07:33:48 AM

Endicott set up their non-conference as good as they possibly could.  No one will fault them for a loss to Babson and they beat Middlebury which just looks better and better.  Even dropping a game or two to Nichols and RWU wouldn't be terrible, but Bridgewater and WNEC killed them - you can't have that many losses from this conference (especially since you're going to get at least one more if you're in Pool C to begin with).

I think, with the games left, there's a decent chance they can keep at .500 SOS, but they're already out of the Pool C running.  They have to win the tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 09, 2017, 12:12:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2017, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: PeterEscobar on February 08, 2017, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 08, 2017, 12:06:21 PM

No chance, I don't think. Teams have to be in the upper half of their regions, especially the Northeast, to have a reasonable chance. Yes, there will be plenty of movement, but as noted... the SOS numbers are pretty bad.

BTW - quality wins means nothing. That is your opinion on those wins, but they don't fit with the criteria that the NCAA uses. Those games will be used if there are common opponents, but quality wins really is nothing in this equation. Too subjective. Case in point, I would argue half of your quality wins are not quality wins at all: Salem St., Regis, RIC, Conn College). They aren't bad teams, but they are not quality wins.

Endicott's SOS: .499. Not horribly below .500, but anywhere around or below .500 is a red-alert for at-large hopes... thus why they weren't ranked.

Roger William's SOS: .456. Bad number.

Nichols' SOS: .460. Same. Bad.

Two things to keep in mind... if your WL% is .667 or below, no chance (and honestly, below .700 is dangerous) and if the SOS is below .500 (or really .520 or lower) and the chances are drying up.

Thank you for the insight Dave. I just feel the CCC should get more recognition. I understand the teams at the bottom of the conference kill the SOS for the top teams in this conference. However, going back to your point on common opponents, one could compare Roger Williams and Keene State (who was recently ranked 10th in the Northeast region).

They have played three common opponents (UNE, UMD, and RIC). RWU (18-4) has four wins against these opponents, while Keene State (15-7) has one win and three losses (including a blowout loss to UNE, who is a bottom 3 CCC team). Additionally, RWU is 1-0 versus the NE regionally ranked opponents while Keene State is 1-2. Even with Keene State's SOS of .570, RWU has an undefeated record versus three common opponents, a better overall record, and a better record versus NE regionally ranked opponents. I understand that the CCC is one of the weaker conferences overall, but how could one ignore a Keene State 95-69 loss to UNE when RWU has beat them twice.

Obviously, this is just one comparison that I have found, but I think it demonstrates some evidence that eventually the CCC should be taken more seriously. Is the CCC ever destined to get an at-large bid? Or is the only chance for this to happen is if the top teams compensate for the bottom of the conference teams by scheduling stronger non-conference play?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on February 09, 2017, 07:40:10 PM
Just so you have the numbers right Keene is actually 2-2 vs NE ranked teams (wins over ECSU and UM Dartmouth; losses to UM Dartmouth and Middlebury) as well as a win over regionally ranked SUNY Oneonta.  There is no question that they have multiple bad losses but that is why they are ranked behind teams with similar records despite having a relatively high SOS. In the end even if they win out to end the season and then lose in the LEC tournament they will be hard pressed to get a Pool C slot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: PeterEscobar on February 09, 2017, 08:23:13 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2017, 07:33:48 AM

Endicott set up their non-conference as good as they possibly could.  No one will fault them for a loss to Babson and they beat Middlebury which just looks better and better.  Even dropping a game or two to Nichols and RWU wouldn't be terrible, but Bridgewater and WNEC killed them - you can't have that many losses from this conference (especially since you're going to get at least one more if you're in Pool C to begin with).

I think, with the games left, there's a decent chance they can keep at .500 SOS, but they're already out of the Pool C running.  They have to win the tournament.
As you said, if their was ever a year that a CCC team was going to be in the argument it would be this year with the schedule that Endicott put together. They're in a tough spot, though, as it's got to be tough for them to get more than a few quality games in non-conference. If you're a middle of the pack NESCAC school, for instance, what's the incentive for playing Endicott? Beat them and it's "expected" and probably doesn't improve your SOS enough to make the risk of losing to them worth it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 09, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
It's true, why would any NEWMAC or NESCAC team schedule a team like Endicott, RWU, or Nichols in the non-conference play? So, essentially the CCC will never be a conference with an at-large bid unless they somehow figure out how to schedule tougher non-conference opponents. That's unfortunate but reality.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2017, 07:38:11 AM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 09, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
It's true, why would any NEWMAC or NESCAC team schedule a team like Endicott, RWU, or Nichols in the non-conference play? So, essentially the CCC will never be a conference with an at-large bid unless they somehow figure out how to schedule tougher non-conference opponents. That's unfortunate but reality.

No, the CCC leaders are key schedules for the top teams, because, if you pick the right team, you're guaranteed a 20 win squad.  Remember, the SOS is a mixture of opponent's winning percentage and an opponent's opponent's winning percentage, so a top CCC team will have a good winning percentage much of the time - and the less than stellar opponents they have in conference will figure less in that number.  I suspect that's exactly why Endicott got such good games this year.

Across the country, teams are jealous of the options top NE teams have in scheduling, because it's just so much easier to mess with the numbers.

The CCC SOS will go up when the teams at the bottom win games.  That's just it.  At the very least, if Curry can schedule good teams to lose to, rather than terrible ones, that would help as well.

I've been following the CCC since 1999-2000; there has never been even a contender for Pool C; until the teams at the bottom can improve their talent, not much will change.  You just have to go out, schedule good competition, and win those games.

As I said, Endicott would be in the Pool C mix if they hadn't dropped so many conference games.  Frankly, if you can't get through the CCC with just one or two losses, you're not a Pool C team anyway.

We know Endicott is really good because of what they did in the tourney last year (and the win over Middlebury, to some extent), but they slipped up too much.  There are really three teams in the CCC that I think would be tough outs against the right team in the NCAA tournament, but that's a real rarity - maybe the first time it's ever happened in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on February 10, 2017, 08:26:46 AM
As an Albertus supporter I completely agree with everything being said on this board over the last couple days. The GNAC is very much like the CCC. Simply 1 bid leagues. As unfair as it may sound to some, the NCAA when selecting must strictly look at the numbers. There is no "eye test" at the D3 level. In terms of the GNAC, last season was a perfect example. Johnson and Wales had a tremendous team and an excellent season that culminated into a great NCAA tournament run. 2nd place GNAC finisher Albertus Magnus had no chance of getting in (rightfully so due to SOS and other factors) yet if they made the tournament they would have no doubt been able to compete and possibly win a few games if placed in the right opening weekend pod but the bottom half of these conferences really hurt the teams up top. It is what it is as they say

But I do feel your pain D3ball1845!!

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: joehakes on February 10, 2017, 12:46:42 PM
Gordon got in with a Pool C bid in 2006.  That was the first Pool C bid in any sport in the conference, I believe.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2017, 01:06:50 PM
I'm glad someone can relate to me on this frustration (D3 Hoop Junkie). This is my second season as a RWU fan, but I really love D3 basketball. As Ryan Scott stated, I too think this year is the first time the CCC has 3 legitimate teams that could compete in the NCAAs. But in a sense, conferences like the GNAC, CCC, and NECC, MASCAC, NAC, etc. will always be 1 bid teams until they prove themselves against top teams from conferences like the NEWMAC and NESCAC. Again, going back to what Ryan Scott said regarding scheduling, how far in advance do teams from the NEWMAC and NESCAC schedule their non-conference games? If it's season by season does that mean teams like RWU and Nichols will likely get more chances against better non-conferences opponents next season like Endicott did this season?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2017, 03:03:03 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 10, 2017, 08:26:46 AM
As an Albertus supporter I completely agree with everything being said on this board over the last couple days. The GNAC is very much like the CCC. Simply 1 bid leagues. As unfair as it may sound to some, the NCAA when selecting must strictly look at the numbers. There is no "eye test" at the D3 level. In terms of the GNAC, last season was a perfect example. Johnson and Wales had a tremendous team and an excellent season that culminated into a great NCAA tournament run. 2nd place GNAC finisher Albertus Magnus had no chance of getting in (rightfully so due to SOS and other factors) yet if they made the tournament they would have no doubt been able to compete and possibly win a few games if placed in the right opening weekend pod but the bottom half of these conferences really hurt the teams up top. It is what it is as they say

But I do feel your pain D3ball1845!!

We're looking at Ramapo being a bubble team with their SOS if they don't win the NJAC tournament - it affects everybody for sure.  You gotta schedule well AND win.  With 416 teams, 64 is a pretty small percentage - even moreso when you take 43 automatic bids out of it.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2017, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2017, 01:06:50 PM
I'm glad someone can relate to me on this frustration (D3 Hoop Junkie). This is my second season as a RWU fan, but I really love D3 basketball. As Ryan Scott stated, I too think this year is the first time the CCC has 3 legitimate teams that could compete in the NCAAs. But in a sense, conferences like the GNAC, CCC, and NECC, MASCAC, NAC, etc. will always be 1 bid teams until they prove themselves against top teams from conferences like the NEWMAC and NESCAC. Again, going back to what Ryan Scott said regarding scheduling, how far in advance do teams from the NEWMAC and NESCAC schedule their non-conference games? If it's season by season does that mean teams like RWU and Nichols will likely get more chances against better non-conferences opponents next season like Endicott did this season?

Let me correct on thing... as Ryan has indicated, the top teams in the conference don't have to prove as much as you think. It is the middle and BOTTOM of the conference that HAS to improve. A conference is only as good as it's bottom and the SOS numbers for the top teams are relient on the bottom teams. Plain and simple. So no, Endicott, RWU, Nichols don't have to prove anything in the grand scheme of things against the NESCAC and NEWMAC. Sure, wins are nice and it will bolster their resume, but they can only control so much of their SOS when their conference is dragging it down (this is NOT an excuse to schedule poorly out of conference either).

Ryan's point, which is dead on, is that Endicott didn't do it's job in conference. You can schedule the toughest non-conference schedule going, but if you trip up with the middle and bottom of your conference - picking up extra losses - than you have screwed yourself especially in a weak conference. Conferences like the NESCAC, CCIW, WIAC, UAA, and others can afford to lose to middle-of-the conference foes because those teams provide good data... CCC teams do not. However, even in those conferences if you pick up too many losses you are out of the conversation. The CCIW is in real trouble of being a one-bid-league this year... as the ODAC and WIAC were last year (very rare).

Endicott did a good job trying to improve their out-of-conference schedule, but then shot themselves in both feet by rolling over when playing middle and bottom teams giving themselves NO chance for their SOS and larger resume to be seriously considered.

As for scheduling, it usually takes place a year to two years in advance depending on a lot of factors. The NESCAC teams HAVE to schedule extra games, so there are always extra games to play. Heck, many of the NESCAC played Pine Manor and Green Mountain this year (for varying reasons). Sometimes the non-NESCAC coach has to be aggressive and find better opponents... not wait for them to come to him.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: 7express on February 12, 2017, 08:59:32 PM
If you schedule Amherst, UMass-Dartmouth, Tufts, Babson, UW-Whitewater, Christopher Newport, Washington University, Marietta & Rochester in your out of conference schedule, and beat them all, should we still take you if our are 11-7/10-8 team out of the CCC, GNAC, LEC, NAC, etc.  Sure, those are 9/10 great wins, and when you have to cherry pick from each of them to decide the best and the "worst" among those 10 that's a pretty good out of conference schedule, but that probably gets cancelled out and then some when you ate losing to multiple 5-20 teams in the conference.  Tough line to draw.  All you can do for the most part is keep winning....as long as you keep winning, it takes the thinking out of the hands of Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 12, 2017, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 12, 2017, 08:59:32 PM
If you schedule Amherst, UMass-Dartmouth, Tufts, Babson, UW-Whitewater, Christopher Newport, Washington University, Marietta & Rochester in your out of conference schedule, and beat them all, should we still take you if our are 11-7/10-8 team out of the CCC, GNAC, LEC, NAC, etc.  Sure, those are 9/10 great wins, and when you have to cherry pick from each of them to decide the best and the "worst" among those 10 that's a pretty good out of conference schedule, but that probably gets cancelled out and then some when you ate losing to multiple 5-20 teams in the conference.  Tough line to draw.  All you can do for the most part is keep winning....as long as you keep winning, it takes the thinking out of the hands of Indianapolis.

If they beat all those teams out of conference, then had 7-8 losses in a weak conference, I'd be tempted not to take them just because they are obviously (dangerously?) bi-polar! :o ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 20, 2017, 10:42:16 AM
Anyone have any thoughts/predictions on the first round of the CCC tournament? In my opinion, I see no looming upsets in the first three games. However, I do think that Wentworth will squeeze it out in the last minute against Gordon.

#1 Nichols vs. #8 University of New England (02/21/2017, 7:00 PM)

Nichols guards are just too quick and skilled for UNE to keep up with. I would expect Nichols to reach close to the century mark in this likely blowout, with either Ecchevaria or Bruton dropping 30+ points.

#2 Endicott vs. #7 Salve Regina (02/21/2017, 8:00 PM)

Endicott is peaking at the right time after a blowout win over RWU in one of the biggest games of the season two weekends ago. With their starting 5 (all seniors) and quality bench play, there is just too much experience and depth for Salve to overcome. If they can contain Rodney Morton (averaging 27 ppg in the two games against Endicott this year), I don't see Salve coming within 20 at the final buzzer. 

#3 Roger Williams vs. #6 Eastern Nazarene (02/21/2017, 7:30 PM)

RWU ended there season with a tough loss in the last second to WIT. However, they have been a strong team at home and are 2-0 against ENC this season. Expect big games from the RWU guards, Coene and Marini, in this one. I see RWU having a comfortable lead throughout the game, and as long as they don't get complacent they should come out with the win. Of note, ENC will be looking for some vengeance as this was the same matchup first round last year with the seeds switched as RWU pulled off the upset in their eventual run to the CCC championship game in 2016.

#4 Gordon vs. #5 Wentworth Institute of Technology (02/21/2017, 7:00 PM)

This will be the closest matchup of the first round and I see WIT escaping Gordon with the win. They have won their last 5 of 6, albeit the one loss was at home to Gordon. They do however, have a road victory from earlier this season against Gordon. I can see this game going down to the last minute and being decided by who can execute in the final possessions. With Ganley's ability to shoot the 3, I can see him drawing Duvivier or Johnson (both top 5 rebounders in the CCC) away from the hoop for a majority of the game, leaving Gordon exposed down low. If WIT does pull this one out, emerging freshman, big man Stephen Azums will need to put up some big numbers.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 20, 2017, 08:01:51 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: WPI89 on February 21, 2017, 09:19:46 AM
+1 on all these brackets Allstar - thanks for sharing!!!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2017, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: AllStar on February 20, 2017, 08:01:51 PM
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I know you probably have stock language to keep these easier to make, but the CCC does every round at higher seeds, so the "remaining" part isn't necessary.  Everyone gets it, I'm sure, but I know there are a lot of conferences who do a final four at one site - this just isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2017, 10:22:38 PM

ENC @ Endicott

WIT @ Nichols
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 22, 2017, 01:09:38 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2017, 05:26:01 PM


I know you probably have stock language to keep these easier to make, but the CCC does every round at higher seeds, so the "remaining" part isn't necessary.  Everyone gets it, I'm sure, but I know there are a lot of conferences who do a final four at one site - this just isn't one of them.

Thank you very much!  These are my own.  ;D  But that's what you get when you copy and paste!  I only started posting images a few weeks ago, mostly on the Little East and SUNYAC, but I am spreading the wealth now.   ;D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 23, 2017, 12:55:10 PM
Called all of the quarterfinal games pretty close. Nichols and Endicott dominated their opening round games. ENC avenged their opening round upset loss last year against RWU. RWU had the jitters from the opening tip and a nearly perfect first half from ENCs Christian Lynch (23 points) put the Lions up by 2 at half time. RWU came out flat after the half and put themselves in a hole by 11 points with less than 10 minutes remaining. They climbed back into the game behind the largest crowd I have ever seen at a RWU basketball game in two years, but could not hit the big shots they typically make and lost 83-78. Unfortunately, we will not get to see a rematch of the 2016 CCC Championship game with RWU vs. Endicott in this years semifinals. As predicted, Wentworth came out with the slim victory at Gordon in a physical, and gritty battle. So, the semi-finals are set...predictions for tonight?

#1 Nichols vs. #5 Wentworth Institute of Technology, 7:00 PM
These two teams split the regular season series with both teams winning at home. The most recent game (@ Wentworth) was dominated by the home team. Apparently, they did not play their Syracuse-esque 1-3-1 zone that they are known for in this game. For Nichols, the POY Ecchevaria struggled mightily in this one, which resulted in a 71-55 loss. In the four out of the five losses for Nichols this year, they have scored under 80 points. They have averaged 91 ppg this season. If the trio of guards for Nichols are all on in this matchup tonight we could see a big victory by Nichols. But, I foresee one or two of their guards struggling from the field tonight. It will be interesting to see who WITs Knollmeyer (Defensive POY) defends in tonights game if they indeed run a man defense again. I could see him guarding Ecchevaria, which would put more pressure on the two freshmen Nichols guards (Bruton and Dion). If Wentworth can execute on offense and contain the Nichols guards I do think we could see an upset in the making. Prediction: Nichols 82 Wentworth 75.


#2 Endicott vs. #6 Eastern Nazarene, 7:00 PM
Endicott took the season series 2-0, albeit only by an average of 8.5 points in the victories. I do not think that ENC will present much of a challenge for Endicott at home. Endicott is peaking at the right time, winners of their last 9 of 10, with their blowout win in the first round against Salve, 110-64, demonstrating just this. Look for Motroni and Walker to have big games offensively in this one. I expect to see Endicott's Stephen Basden to matchup with ENCs Christian Lynch on defense in this one. The only chance I see ENC making this a somewhat competitive game is if both Lynch and Doran light it up from the field. However, even if this was the case, Endicott still has too much experience and depth on the bench for ENC to pull off an upset. If Endicott comes out on fire from deep look for this to be another blowout victory. Prediction: Endicott 87 Eastern Nazarene 64.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 24, 2017, 01:59:18 AM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 27, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
2 BIDS!!! Glad the CCC is finally getting some recognition. Endicott and Nichols were selected for the NCAA tournament and were both placed within in the same region of the bracket! A potential second round rematch of the CCC championship game could be in the making! Hopefully, this is a sign of good things to come for the CCC in the upcoming years! Will have predictions for both the Endicott and Nichols first round games in the next day or two.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 07:53:30 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 27, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
2 BIDS!!! Glad the CCC is finally getting some recognition. Endicott and Nichols were selected for the NCAA tournament and were both placed within in the same region of the bracket! A potential second round rematch of the CCC championship game could be in the making! Hopefully, this is a sign of good things to come for the CCC in the upcoming years! Will have predictions for both the Endicott and Nichols first round games in the next day or two.

Endicott got rewarded for playing about as tough a schedule as any CCC could manage.  A win over Middlebury got them in.  Without it, they probably didn't stand a chance.

However, if you listened to the Hoopsville interview with the committee chair, he basically said they got put in the same pod because they're not that good.  Moving Oswego or ECSU would've made the pod too tough (or another pod too weak).

They'll have to prove themselves.  Nichols can absolutely beat Neumann - that's a paper record for them.  I saw Neumann in person earlier this year and while they have all the talent in the world, they weren't very disciplined and they didn't play hard the whole game.  Overconfidence could kill them - not to mention spotty defense against a team with two 20ppg scorers.  I would expect one or both teams to break 100, though.  Everybody likes to run in this one.

Endicott has the much, much tougher matchup - mostly because Salisbury has really good bigs, lots of experience, and a really high quality perimeter defense.  Walker will be hard pressed to get shots off against these long arms.  Not a lot of depth for Salisbury, though, especially with ball handlers, so if EC can jump on them in the back court and drive the lane to draw fouls, they've got a prayer.  I'm not picking them, though.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 28, 2017, 11:14:31 AM
Obviously my knowledge about the Division 3 basketball is pretty much limited to the CCC. I will obviously have to do some research on Neumann and Salisbury before I can make any predictions. At this point, I'd have to agree that Endicott has drawn a very tough match and Nichols is the more likely of the two to come out of the first round with a victory. I highly doubt my predictions will be as accurate as the ones I provided for the CCC tournament  :-\
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2017, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 28, 2017, 11:14:31 AM
Obviously my knowledge about the Division 3 basketball is pretty much limited to the CCC. I will obviously have to do some research on Neumann and Salisbury before I can make any predictions. At this point, I'd have to agree that Endicott has drawn a very tough match and Nichols is the more likely of the two to come out of the first round with a victory. I highly doubt my predictions will be as accurate as the ones I provided for the CCC tournament  :-\

Keep at it.  I went to a CCC school and started out in that room, too - back in January of 2000 - it's all about getting a handle on your conference, then your region, then you can begin to figure out some of the national conversations.  You just need reps.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: northeasthoopfan on March 03, 2017, 09:39:51 PM
Wow! The league has to be ecstatic about tonight's results. Huge congratulations to Endicott and Nichols getting wins against really good teams tonight. Either way you slice it, there will be a CCC team in the sweet 16! Should be a good one tomorrow.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Falcons 25 on March 03, 2017, 10:30:26 PM
Kudos to the CCC! Way to go ENDICOTT & NICHOLS from your GNAC supporters, especially at ALBERTUS MAGNUS COLLEGE!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on March 04, 2017, 01:01:31 PM
Wasn't able to make my detailed predictions yesterday before the games, but boy am I happy with the results of the games. CCC showing up in the NCAAs and both getting the upset wins in the first round. I am beyond ecstatic that Endicott and Nichols pulled these close games out and maybe just maybe turned some heads about the CCC in general. It's a bitter sweet moment that these two teams will meet today in the second round. It is a game that I would love to be at in person because I know it's going to be an intense CCC championship rematch that comes down to the closing minutes once again. We can officially say we will have one team moving on to the Sweet 16....not sure when the last time that has been accomplished? Predictions about the game tonight are below.

Endicott vs Nichols (03/04/2017, 7:00 PM)

This is such a great matchup. We are going to experience a tournament game to advance to the Sweet 16 between to opponents that have already played each other three times this year. I cannot wait too see the intensity and effort that will be put into this game by both teams. The most recent matchup, the CCC tournament championship, POY Marcos Echevarria pretty much willed his team to the championship win with 8 points in the finals two minutes to complete a comeback where Nichols was down 7 with 1:41 remaining in the game. There is no doubt that vengeance will be on the mind of the Gulls today. For the Gulls to pull this one off they are going to have to keep the 'Small 3' (Echevarria, Bruton, and Dion) in check. They did so for a majority of the game until the final minutes. Echevarria has been struggling the past few games. It's only a matter of time before he gets hot and has a huge game. Will that be tonight though? I don't think so. Bruton has done a good job of stepping up when Echevarria isn't knocking down his threes. The only way I see this being a game where the outcome is separated by more than 10 points is if Echevarria does have a game where he scored 35+. I wasn't able to watch the CCC championship so I don't know how the Gulls defended their guards throughout the game. They will also have to control Jerome Cunningham on the glass. Offensively for Endicott, I see Kamahl Walker having a big game. Additionally, Endicott needs to see some production from their big, Daquan Sampson. If he can get involved in the offense and show some aggression on the boards I think Endicott stands more than a good chance. Max Motroni continues to play well and if Endicott's shooters on the bench find a way to hit some big shots and contribute I think they will pull this one out. Prediction: Endicott 78 Nichols 74
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2017, 03:00:13 PM

Apparently Nichols misunderstood my NCAA Tourney Preview and thought I was dogging them with the comment about Neumann winning by 20 - they used it as motivation.  I'm fine if that's how it went, I was just trying to say the game would be exciting whether it was close or not, since both teams like to score.

It was indeed pretty exciting.  I can't believe we'll get a Sweet Sixteen team.  I'm not sure that's ever happened before.  I know the ENC women made the Sweet Sixteen in 2000, but they had a bye the first round, so they only had to win one game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 10, 2017, 08:34:43 AM

If you haven't seen it already, ENC is leaving the conference for the NECC for the 2018-2019 season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on November 27, 2017, 03:04:51 AM
And the first post for the 2017-2018 CCC Season commences. This conference begins the season making some serious noise attempting to keep pace with last season's surprising 2 bids to the NCAA tournament.

First off, congrats to an Endicott team who lost their entire starting five to graduation at the end of last season for beating defending national champs, Babson, in the second game of the season. Big props to sophomore Keith Brown, leading the nation in scoring after 2 games (41 ppg) and winning National Player of the Week. Tough game tonight against a very good Middlebury team where he was essentially shut down going 5-13 from the field with 5 TOs. An emerging question at the beginning of the season is does all that it takes for a team to beat Endicott is shut down Keith Brown? We will certainly see as the Gulls take on the frontrunner of the conference, Nichols, this Wednesday. My prediction, it's going to be a shoot out that Endicott can't keep up in and Nichols gets the win by 10+ points.

Next up, I'd like to discuss the team I think will win the CCC this year, Roger Williams University, who are off to a 5-0 start in non-conference play. They already have racked up two wins against the NEWMAC and one against the NESCAC, including a very convincing win over Connecticut College earlier today. The team is led by junior swingman Austin Coene who is averaging 22.5 ppg and 8 rpg along with a very impressive backcourt in playmaker Nick Marini (13 ppg and 5 apg) and a JJ Redick esque sharp shooter in Rich Pugliese (3 3pfg mpg, 50% 3pfg). Rounding out the starting lineup are two hungry and aggressive senior captains in Conor O'Brien and Jaylen Jennings. While there have been opportunities for some of the freshmen to play minutes off the bench, a worrisome stat is the bench overall is scoring less than 15% of the ppg for the team. While this may not affect them at the beginning of the season, down the road this could cause some trouble come conference tournament time if the starters are required to play big minutes throughout the entire season. Additionally, while RWU is a defensive minded team they have never excelled in rebounding the ball...I can see this being their Achilles heel in games against teams like Nichols or Gordon who average almost 10 rebounds more than RWU a game. In any case, I expect to see RWU, Nichols, and Gordon in the top 3 spots of the conference at the end of the regular season.

That being said, I expect to see Curry, UNE, and Salve Regina at the bottom of the barrel in the CCC come the end of the season. Although, I will admit it has been intriguing to hear about and see the Grinnell system implemented by UNE. While their record hasn't indicated the system is working out in the win loss column, they are certainly dictating the pace of the game and almost beat Bates tonight, an okay NESCAC team. This system has certainly had people talking in the Northeast and I can actually see them get a few surprising CCC wins this year with their high pressure, pedal to the medal, 50+ 3pfgs a game. I am particularly interested in seeing them play RWU this upcoming Saturday. RWU plays at a slow pace and likes to run a half court offense. It will be interesting to see the two styles of play clash as I could see this being a very close game or a complete blowout in favor of RWU.

This has certainly been an exciting start to the beginning of the year for the CCC and I expect that the this conference will continue to make noise and turn heads in the Northeast this year. We can only hope that we have another 2 team bid coming for the NCAA tournament!




Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on November 29, 2017, 12:48:06 PM
And the opening night of CCC conference play begins with some very interesting matchups! I will be making predictions on the 3 of the top games, in my opinion, that can be seen below:

Roger Williams (RWU) @ Western New England (WNE), 5:30 PM:

This matchup features two of the prolific scorers in the conference, Coene (RWU) and Pettway (WNE). The last time the two played at the conclusion of last season, Coene dropped a career high 38 points and 12 rebounds. Expect the two dominant players to battle all night in this one. It will be interesting to see if there is some tension in this game as the last time these two teams met both Coene and Pettway received technical fouls. The undefeated RWU squad has been playing very well this year and I expect this trend to continue against a young and inexperienced WNE team. Of note, Coene, a junior, could hit the coveted 1000 career point mark tonight, as this will be something to keep an eye out for. Prediction: RWU 85 WNE 70

Gordon @ University of New England (UNE), 7:30 PM

While I don't expect this to be one of the closest matchups in the opening night of conference play, it is a very intriguing one! Gordon plays with a very controlled and strict style which highly contrasts to UNEs newly implemented Grinnell System. While UNE has certainly dictated the pace of play this season, it has not resulted in wins as they currently sit at 1-4. I can see Gordon's top player, Duvivier, easily obtaining a double-double tonight and would not be surprised to see a 20-20 game from him. Additionally, expect Gordon player Demers, a versatile scorer, to excel in this one. It is difficult to predict who will produce for the UNE squad as not a single player averages over 20 mpg given the full-squad substitutions every 4-5 minutes of play. Prediction: Gordon 105 UNE 88

Endicott @ Nichols, 7:30 PM:

This is by far the biggest game of the night in the conference. Both of these teams have made noise nationally in the past few seasons, both appearing in the NCAA tournament last year. However, Endicott has essentially lost all their experience and scoring from last year as the entire starting five graduated at the end of the season. On the other hand, Nichols returns a veteran squad that has one of the most talented backcourts in all of Division 3, in players Echevarria, Bruton, and Dion. Also, be on double-double alert for Nichols' forward Cunningham in this one. While Endicott lacks experience they have already proved to be a tough team with a win over last years national champion, Babson, and a tough loss to a very good Middlebury team. Do not expect them to be a pushover in tonight's game. The real question is are we going to see a big game out of Endicott's sophomore phenom, Keith Brown, who is currently averaging 33 ppg. I'm not convinced Nichols, and offensively minded team, has anyone that can guard Brown effectively. However, I predict Nichols guards and homecourt advantage will just be too much for this young Endicott squad. Prediction: Nichols 88 Endicott 79
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
I noticed U of NE's boxscores and I was going to ask if they went System. Entertaining stuff, especially for us fantasy league players!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on November 30, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
I noticed U of NE's boxscores and I was going to ask if they went System. Entertaining stuff, especially for us fantasy league players!

It certainly looks like UNE men went System based on the boxscores and play by play sheets, and I count them as such.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2017, 12:22:11 PM
Based on the boxscores, their forced turnovers need to go up considerably.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on November 30, 2017, 04:30:21 PM
I knew that UNEs new style of play was going to be an interesting matchup with Gordon and they ended up coming out with the win at home. What puzzled me is that UNE continued to utilize the Grinnell system up 25+ points with ten minutes remaining in the second half. You'd think at that point you could turn to a half court offense for the remainder of the game, get some solid possessions, and play solid defense. This was not the case and Gordon actually came back to within two points behind with a minute remaining. While I predicted that Demers would have a big scoring night and that Duvivier would  come close to a 20-20 game I was not able to predict the upset win for UNE.

It will be very interesting to see UNE play at home against RWU this Saturday. I will be at that game and am excited to witness the Grinnell system in person. I will have predictions for that game along with two other conference games tomorrow.

The rematch for the conference championship between Nichols and Endicott didn't turn out to be much of a game at all. The duo in the backcourt for Nichols, Bruton and Echevarria, scored 30 and 21, respectively. Keith Brown struggled for the second game in a row and I am beginning to question if all it takes to beat Endicott this year is to shut down their sophomore phenom. They clearly need to find some offense elsewhere on the team or this could be a tough year for them in conference. Then again, Nichols is arguably the best team in the conference and could be ranked nationally in the next few weeks so I shouldn't be giving Endicott that hard of a time with their 2-2 record against the competition they've faced thus far.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2017, 06:23:50 AM

The System is all based on math, so the traditional thinking is that you have to keep it going no matter what.  Dave Arseneault Sr really focused on instilling a way of playing - he worked tirelessly to get "other" kinds of basketball out of his players' minds.  If Silva is really selling out to the System, he's going to make sure the player don't learn "bad" habits by playing "regular" basketball.  I'd be surprised, though, if he's doing it wholesale - there were a lot of elements of this style in what they were already doing.  It seems like his experience would allow him to tweak it in ways that are beneficial to the team, but maybe they're just working to get it implemented right now.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2017, 01:13:46 PM
Yeah, they play the system the whole game. I have no doubt there have been times when Grinnell was down 25 midway through the 2nd half and came back to win.

For entertainment purposes, it really is fun to watch, especially if U of NE has some good shooters on the team. If their system is anything like Grinnell's, youll still be scratching your head after the game wondering why they are passing up open layups for 3s.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on December 01, 2017, 04:25:51 PM
I was laughing to myself when Greek Tragedy made that fantasy player comment when anyone plays UNE. As you'll see in my upcoming post, I can almost guarantee a dominant game by RWUs Austin Coene and Nick Marini against UNE on Saturday. And maybe I wasn't clear but it was the exact opposite, UNE was actually up 25 points against Gordon with ten minutes, not down. That is why I was inquiring about the possibility of teams that run this type of system returning to a normal style of play if they are up big in the second half. Based on the team stats, they are shooting a dismal 30% from three point range with an average of 61 attempts per game, ranked 3rd to last percentage wise in the CCC.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2017, 08:17:48 AM

1) He's not joking about fantasy - check out the Fantasy Board in Multi-Region.

2) There's a huge growing pains period putting in the System.  It took Rhodes until about February before they really got it last year.  You just have to get the reps in and hopefully you've got the shooters to get it done.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on December 04, 2017, 07:08:10 PM
Missed the predictions for the Saturday in conference 5 game slate. No real surprising results from this weekend except maybe the road win for Salve Regina over WNE. I did expect Salve's Rodney Morton to produce more points for the team with the departure of Nicholas Bates. Additionally, I have been impressed with WNEs freshman center, Zach Tavitian, who is an early candidate for CCC rookie of the year. RWU handled the newly implemented Grinnell system of UNE with ease and held them to a season low 76 points. Congratulations to RWU swingman, Austin Coene, who surpassed the 1000 point milestone early in his junior season. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up becoming the all-time leading scorer at RWU by the end of his career. He is putting up stellar numbers this season at 23 ppg with 9 rbpg and I think is a dark horse for an All-American this season. In the other games, Endicott handled Curry with ease...it's disappointing to see such good competition throughout most of the league and then have teams such as Curry who essentially ruin the SOS of the stronger teams in the CCC. Wentworth handled ENC at home and continues to be a defensive stalwart as they are only allowing 60.2 ppg, leading the category in the CCC by more than 7 points. I will focus on predictions for three of the in-conference matchups tomorrow in a separate post.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on December 04, 2017, 11:38:13 PM
The second week of in-conference play begins in the CCC tomorrow. Thus far, the only surprising conference record is that of 0-2 Gordon who was predicted to finish second in the preseason poll. There are three games that interest me tomorrow and predictions can be seen below:

University of New England (UNE, 2-5, 1-1) @ Endicott (3-2, 1-1), 5:30 PM:
UNE visits Endicott in this matchup where we will again get to see the Grinnell System of the former team. Thus far, the system has worked against one superior in-conference opponent, Gordon. This is going to be a very interesting matchup as it will be a test for Endicott's youth. While we know they have a phenomenal scorer in sophomore, Keith Brown, I am concerned that Endicott may have difficulty finding other sources of scoring in what is likely going to be a high scoring game. Additionally, Endicott has an average rebound margin of -7 per game and this game features a team that shoots 60+ 3s a game which results in more rebound opportunities. Keith Brown certainly could be in for another 35+ point game in this one. Hohwever, he will need all the help he can get and I expect the likes of Jordan Pettway, Rob O'Brien, and Nick Thibeault to help share the scoring load. Unless UNE has a hot shooting night like they did against Gordon I do not see them coming away with a win at the nest.
Prediction: Endicott 109 UNE 96

Salve Regina (4-2, 2-0) @ Wentworth (4-2, 2-0), 7:30 PM:
This game features two teams that give up the least points per game in the conference and have undefeated conference records. Expect a defensive battle to ensue in this one as I predict the winner will barely eclipse 70 points. This game will come down to who can control the boards and hit clutch shots. Wentworth has a very good frontcourt in Ganley and Azums and I can see both going for double doubles in this one. If WITs 1-3-1 zone proves effective against Salve's backcourt of Morton and Kelly we will see them come out with a win at home. If Morton finds a way to get hot in this game we could see this one come down to the last possession.
Prediction: Wentworth 71 Salve Regina 65

Nichols (5-1, 2-0) @ Roger Williams (RWU, 7-0, 2-0), 7:30 PM:
This is the game of the week in the CCC as the top two teams of the conference faceoff at RWU. Of note, Nichols is 4-0 against RWU in the past two years. RWU is going to have to prove themselves in this one to be considered legit contenders for the conference title this season. The key in this game for RWU is controlling one of the nation's best backcourts and hitting/defending the 3 ball. Echevarria has had less than a stellar season thus far and it would be unfortunate for RWU for him to have his first breakout game against them. Roger Williams leads the CCC defensively against the 3 only allowing 23.9% attempts in from deep. On the other side of the ball, RWU is shooting 41% from 3-point range. For them to beat Nichols, Austin Coene will need a 25-10 night and sharpshooter Rich Pugliese will need to hit at least 4 treys. If they can also contain Nichols one dominant forward, Cunningham, they should be able to pull their first win off against Nichols in over two seasons. However, if the four guards from Nichols who all average over 10 ppg have their way this could be another 10+ point win for Nichols.
Prediction: Roger William 87 Nichols 83




Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on December 06, 2017, 11:40:20 AM
I was pretty accurate with my first two predictions of last nights conference games. Endicott proved it could handle the "system" of UNE and won in an essential blowout. Maybe Endicott players Keith Brown and Matt McDevitt, who shot a combined 13-19 from 3 point range, should transfer to UNE as both would thrive in the Grinnell System with the stats they put up this game. Freshman McDevitt was very impressive dropping an efficient 31 points (11-14 shooting) in just 26 minutes. Also, Jordan Pettway (Little brother of WNEs Mike Pettway??) putting up an impressive 6 pts-8rb-6asts in just 17 minutes. While the "system" has not proven to be effective for UNE in their last two conference games I can see it thriving against teams like Salve and Wentworth, both of whom prefer low scoring, defensive games.

Speaking of those two teams, I predicted this contest between Salve and Wentworth very accurately. The game went down to the last minute in regulation and Salve's best player, Rodney Morton, had two chances to win it in the final minute but missed both shots. I'm honestly surprised that Salve was able to keep up in this one as Morton shot a dismal 3-18 from the field, likely taking out his frustration on the defensive end as he fouled out in OT. WITs Jason Ganley had a field day (13-20 FGM-A, 9-15 FTM-A) against the Gulls, dropping 37 points in the win. Wentworth held a 47-38 rebounding advantage and shot almost 20% better than Salve from the field.

In the final game between RWU and Nichols, a matchup of the two best teams in the conference, Nichols was able to pull off the victory 91-79. I was personally at this game and really felt strong about RWU coming out with a victory. It was a big time opportunity for RWU to prove themselves against a Nichols team that's getting votes in the Top 25 poll of the country, but they simply did not show up. What I am trying to say is that this was a game that RWU was easily capable of winning. As I predicted, to win they needed to control Nichol's backcourt and the deep ball. Echevarria had his first good shooting night of the season, dropping 25 points (7-14 3PM-A), finally demonstrating why he was CCC POY in 2016-2017. He also may be the the fastest player in the league, as it was amazing to see his elusiveness in the final two minutes of the game when RWU pressed full court. While RWU actually did a decent job against Nichols other two guards, Bruton and Dion (21 points combined), they lost this game because of turnovers and giving up second chance opportunities.

I cannot recall the last time I saw a team being called for so many travels, as RWU may have been called for at least 6 of them in the first half. I'm not positive if it was the jitters of being in a big game but they looked truly lost on some of their offensive possessions in this one. Additionally, Nichols' Antoine simply couldn't miss in the first half, going 5-5 from 3 point range, where at least 3 of them were uncontested treys in the corner. Nichols was able to turn RWUs turnovers into 28 points, many being wide open transition 3s. RWU could not defend the high pick and roll or handoffs that Nichols utilizes in their offense which often translated to open 3s or open layups for their big, Cunningham. As you can see, the recurring theme of the night was open 3 point attempts for Nichols. Nichols shut down sharpshooter RWUs Pugliese (2-6 3PM-A) and really only was weak against the driving abilities of RWUs Marini and Coene, who scored 17 and 21, respectively, as they were outscored 42-22 in the paint.

It seemed every time RWU made a run and cut the deficit back to single digits Nichols would respond with a 3. While RWU shot a better field goal percentage for the game they only went 5-18 3PM-A versus Nichols, who went 17-34 3PM-A. If RWU can figure out how to compose themselves on the offensive end and stop playing help defense on the Nichols guards resulting in wide open 3s we will see a very competitive game when they face each other the second time around.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on December 07, 2017, 11:05:55 AM
Five non-conference games for the CCC tonight. Thus far, the conference has shown great improvement in non-conference play compared to last year, as they are currently 22-18 versus 18-22 last year. The five games tonight are listed below and the bolded team is the one I predict will come out victorious. Regardless of my predictions, I'm hoping the conference can come out 5-0 on the night! Keep it up CCC!!

Roger Williams @ uMass Dartmouth, 7:00 PM
Connecticut College @ Western New England, 7:00 PM
Nichols @ Becker, 7:00 PM
Wentworth @ Emmanuel, 7:30 PM
Dean College @ Eastern Nazarene, 7:30 PM
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on December 21, 2017, 10:03:04 AM
First off, I'd like to say happy holidays to all, especially those that put up with my novel length posts on the CCC thread. Looking at the most recent statistics posted about teams vs. non-conference opponents and it is really great to see that the CCC is tied 1st for overall change in record against non-conference opponents at this point in the year compared to last year. Currently we sit 16th out of 45 conferences with a 34-24 mark for our record versus non-conference opponents. Here's a look below how each CCC team has faired against non-conference opponents:

RWU: 5-1
Nichols: 5-1
Endicott: 4-1
Wentworth: 5-2
Gordon: 3-2
Salve Regina: 3-3
WNE: 3-3
Eastern Nazarene: 3-3
UNE: 2-4
Curry: 1-5

Against the better conferences in the Northeast:

NEWMAC: 4-2 (#8 in the country versus non-conference opponents)
NESCAC: 3-8 (#2 in the country versus non-conference opponents)
LEC: 0-3 (#21 in the country versus non-conference opponents)

Of note, our top four teams are 3-0 against the NEWMAC, 2-3 against the NESCAC, and 0-1 against the LEC. While I don't like our record against the LEC, we have played well against the NEWMAC, and at least competed against the NESCAC. I know this is somewhat early to be commenting on, but does the CCCs turnaround against non-conference play compared to last season give them more respect from the selection committee and a chance at a second straight year of 2 bids for the NCAAs?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on December 21, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on December 21, 2017, 10:03:04 AM
First off, I'd like to say happy holidays to all, especially those that put up with my novel length posts on the CCC thread. Looking at the most recent statistics posted about teams vs. non-conference opponents and it is really great to see that the CCC is tied 1st for overall change in record against non-conference opponents at this point in the year compared to last year. Currently we sit 16th out of 45 conferences with a 34-24 mark for our record versus non-conference opponents. Here's a look below how each CCC team has faired against non-conference opponents:

RWU: 5-1
Nichols: 5-1
Endicott: 4-1
Wentworth: 5-2
Gordon: 3-2
Salve Regina: 3-3
WNE: 3-3
Eastern Nazarene: 3-3
UNE: 2-4
Curry: 1-5

Against the better conferences in the Northeast:

NEWMAC: 4-2 (#8 in the country versus non-conference opponents)
NESCAC: 3-8 (#2 in the country versus non-conference opponents)
LEC: 0-3 (#21 in the country versus non-conference opponents)

Of note, our top four teams are 3-0 against the NEWMAC, 2-3 against the NESCAC, and 0-1 against the LEC. While I don't like our record against the LEC, we have played well against the NEWMAC, and at least competed against the NESCAC. I know this is somewhat early to be commenting on, but does the CCCs turnaround against non-conference play compared to last season give them more respect from the selection committee and a chance at a second straight year of 2 bids for the NCAAs?

I think that it is too soon to start pencilling in a Pool C bid for the Commonwealth Coast Conference.  I cannot rule it out, either, at this time.

Currently, KnightSlappy has Roger Williams with an SOS of .574, Nichols with an SOS of .577, and Endicott with an SOS of .605.  That means that all 3 teams listed have strong non conference SOS numbers, which can be taken into account in the secondary criteria.

Wentworth currently has a SOS number of .447, according to KnightSlappy's unofficial calculations.

As far as the primary criteria is concerned, Endicott has the strongest Pool C resume of the 3 teams that have strong SOS numbers.   Endicott has a win over Babson, which was ranked #2 in New England by the NCAA last season.  It remains to be seen if Babson will be ranked come Feb. 21, 2018.  Endicott also lost to Middlebury.

Nichols is in the lead in the CCC, and has a win over Endicott.  That currently gives Nichols an edge over Babson on results vs d3 common opponents.  Nichols is 1-1 vs teams regionally ranked last season, having beaten Endicott and losing to Wesleyan.

Roger Williams has the weakest Pool C resume of the three CCC teams that have strong SOS numbers.  RWU lost to UMass-Dartmouth, which was ranked #11 in New England by the NCAA last season.  That makes RWU without a win vs a team regionally ranked last season so far.

Any Pool C candidate in the CCC will be a bubble team mostly due to the results vs ranked opponents.

Any further analysis will have to wait until February, when regional rankings start being compiled.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2018, 10:15:15 AM
Well, Nichols went down without Bruton, so it'll be interesting to see if Bruton plays in any of the 3 games this week, especially against Wentworth on the weekend. They already beat Endicott and Roger Williams, who both have just one conference loss, by double digits, so here's hoping Bruton returns and they can get a sweep this week.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on January 09, 2018, 01:12:27 PM
The CCC continues its strong non-conference play boasting a 39-29 record, ranking 16th out of 45 conferences in the nation. We now turn to majority of conference play as things have already proven to be interesting with WNE knocking off No. 21 Nichols, 100-94 in OT this past Saturday (Greek Tragedy I did not realize that Bruton did not play in this one....obviously this was a major factor in the outcome of the game). I have predictions for three of the five games tonight posted below:

1. Roger Williams (9-2, 3-1) @ Salve Regina (6-6, 3-2), 7:30PM

RWU will travel to Salve Regina coming off an easy win against Curry this past Saturday. Of note, they will likely be without their sharpshooter, Rich Pugliese, who sustained a concussion in practice this past week. These teams played in two close games last year, but I don't see that being the case in this one. Salve Regina faced a tough setback this past weekend, losing to a volatile UNE team at home. Typically, Salve has a great home court advantage with its large and lively student body crowd. However, as it is still winter break the typical rowdy crowd will be absent and I can see RWU taking advantage of this. We will see two of the premier defensive teams in this game with the new CCC points per game leader, Austin Coene, of RWU looking to continue his strong play. If Salve can't stop the penetration of RWU guards Coene and Marini, look for this one to be a double digit win for RWU. Salve's Rodney Morton has thrived against RWU in the past and if he can put up a 30+ point effort for the Seahawks we could see a close one. Salve will need support from their two other guards, Kelly and Bowman, as they will have all they can handle from the RWU backcourt. Prediction: RWU 86 Salve Regina 71

2. Western New England (WNE) (5-5, 2-2) @ Endicott (8-3, 3-1), 7:30 PM

WNE travels to play Endicott in what I think is the CCC game of the night. WNE is hot as of late, winners of four straight, including an overtime victory over nationally ranked Nichols in their last game. In that game, WNE was able to hold Nichols to 27% from 3 point range (9-34) and 37% from the field overall. They will need another defensive effort like that against an Endicott team that features one of the best shooters and scorers in the country in sophomore phenom Keith Brown. Interestingly, both teams struggle on the glass and are in the bottom four in the conference with respect to rebounding margin. For WNE to pull off the upset they will need another big game from junior guard, Mike Pettway, who is coming off a 38 point effort against Nichols. Additionally, freshman big man Zach Tativan will need close to a double-double for them to take this game on the road. Of note, this game features a matchup of siblings, the aforementioned Mike Pettway from WNE and his younger brother, Jordan, on Endicott who is actually having a nice freshman campaign. I can see Endicott getting hot from deep in this one and winning this competitive game if they played the way they did in their last game against WIT. Prediction: Endicott 83 Western New England 77

3. Gordon (6-5, 2-2) @ Wentworth Institute of Technology (WIT) (8-3, 3-1), 7:30 PM

Gordon will travel to Boston to play WIT tonight in what should be a low scoring competitive matchup. Gordon has won their last 4 out of 5 games as it appears that that they are beginning to show signs of life after their slow start to the season. We see a matchup of two of the best bigs in the conference in Ganley from WIT and Duvivier from Gordon. Look for them to go at each other throughout the game, while I can also see WITs Stephen Azums taking some of the pressure off Ganley defensively and switching onto Duvivier. Gordon is among the conference leaders in turnovers and it will be interesting to see how they handle the high-pressure 1-3-1 zone that WIT utilizes a majority of the game. If Gordon is to pull this one off on the road they're going to need a big game out of swingman, Eric Demers, who has been averaging 20.8 ppg this season after returning from an injury that sidelined him all last season. WIT was winners of 6 in a row before they were beaten soundly by Endicott at home this past weekend. They shot a meager 11-25 from the free throw line in that game and will need to improve upon this if they want to beat a rising Gordon squad. Ganley and Azums will both need double digit scoring efforts and close to double digit rebounding numbers to attain the victory. In my opinion, this game is essentially a toss up as we have two relatively equal and driven teams. Prediction: Gordon 71 Wentworth 64
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2018, 11:27:15 AM
Well, no Bruton again. I wonder how serious this is. Could be real damaging to their NCAA hopes. Also, no Keith Brown for Endicott either. Any word on either player?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2018, 02:06:16 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2018, 11:27:15 AM
Well, no Bruton again. I wonder how serious this is. Could be real damaging to their NCAA hopes. Also, no Keith Brown for Endicott either. Any word on either player?

Not sure there was any reason to rush Bruton back for Curry - I wouldn't take that as a sign of anything.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 12, 2018, 08:57:55 AM
No Bruton again, but Brown returned, started and scored 28.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on January 16, 2018, 05:46:03 PM
The Bevo Francis Award Top 100 List was released today and included two players from the CCC, sophomore phenom Keith Brown (Endicott) and reigning CCC POY Marcos Echevarria (Nichols). Congratulations to both players as this is the first time a player from the CCC has been mentioned on the list. To be honest, I'm very surprised to see that RWUs Austin Coene was not included on this list but Echevarria was. Coene is arguably having the best season out of any player in the CCC, 24.4 ppg (2nd in the CCC), 6.8 rbpg (5th in the CCC), 3.3 apg (11th in the CCC), and 1.4 stpg (8th in the CCC), while shooting over 55% from the field and leading the CCC percentage wise from 3-point range.

In other news, we have five conference games again tonight. Don't have the time to post in-depth predictions since I will be heading to the RWU vs. Gordon game in a bit. Score predictions for all 5 games can be seen below:

1. Wentworth 76 Western New England 65
2. Endicott 79 Salve Regina 67
3. University of New England 108 Curry 93
4. Nichols 94 Eastern Nazarene 77
5. Roger Williams 87 Gordon 83
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on January 16, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
Of course my comments in my last post come back to bite me as Coene had his worst game of the year in a 5-17 (2-3 3PM-A) performance from the field in a tough 87-83 loss at home to Gordon. The Hawks were down by as much as 16 in the beginning of the second half and came back to tie the game with 13 minutes remaining in the game behind Conor O'Brien who had a game high 34 points. The two teams battled from that point on in a very equal game, but RWU was ultimately unable to stop big man, Garrison Duvivier, who had 28 and 18 as Gordon was able to put the game away with two free throws in the final seconds. RWU needs to find a way to rebound the ball better against teams with talented big men and are limited by their one and done possessions as they essentially have no mindset to attain an offensive rebound. They have certainly felt the effect of the loss of sharpshooter, Rich Pugliese (concussion), as Gordon was able to collapse on Coene whenever he penetrated tonight. Hopefully, the sophomore 3-point specialist can return to the court soon as the lack of spacing on the offensive end of the court is really limiting RWUs ability to drive to the hoop.

On the other hand, reigning CCC POY Marcos Echevarria of Nichols (9-15, 7-11 3PM-A) scored 26 points and led his team to a 79-76 victory against a tough ENC team away tonight. The return of Deante Bruton certainly helped Nichols attain the win as he dropped 22 points in the win. UNE handled Curry with ease tonight in a 100-72 win as Alex Kravchuk had an efficient night going 10-12 from the field for 23 points in just 12 minutes for the Nor'Easters. Endicott beat Salve Regina soundly in a 83-70 game after a big win this past weekend in double OT against RWU. The Gulls appeared to give Keith Brown a lighter workload tonight as he finished with 17 points in 30 minutes. Finally, WIT was able to escape with a victory at WNE tonight in a 72-71 game where WNE's best player, Mike Pettway, just missed the game winner on a play where he appeared to be fouled.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 17, 2018, 08:52:40 AM
Good to see Bruton back on the floor for Nichols.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on January 18, 2018, 04:05:16 PM
We only have three games in the CCC tonight, as I'm assuming these are all makeup games that were cancelled during the snowstorm a couple of weeks ago. The three games are all actually very interesting matchups:

1. Endicott (11-4, 6-2) @ Eastern Nazarene (ENC) (6-9, 2-6)

Endicott will travel to Quincy to play an ENC squad that has played well in four straight conference games. They lost a tough game 76-79 at home to conference leader, Nichols, in their last game. Look for this to be a competitive game as ENC always sees an uptick in their play at home with a rowdy and lively student body crowd. On the other side, we have Endicott, who are winners of two straight, including a comfortable win against Salve Regina, 83-70 in their last game. Look for Keith Brown to get back on track on this one as I would expect nothing less than a 25+ point performance from him tonight. ENC has been able to stay close in these conference matchups because of good defense, so if they can find a way to control (possibly double) Brown and force other Endicott players to score and make plays. However, if Endicott gets hot from the field like they did in the first half against Salve Regina, we could see a blowout in the making. Endicott does have an inexperienced team and I could see the home court advantage really come into play for ENC in this one. Prediction - Endicott: 86 ENC: 77

2. Gordon (10-5) (6-2) @ Western New England (WNE) (6-8) (3-5)

Gordon travels to Springfield to play a WNE squad that lost a heart breaker to WIT in their last game, 72-71. On the other hand, Gordon won a tough game on the road against RWU, 87-83. This is a very intriguing matchup tonight as we see two of the premiere bigs in the conference in Tavitian (WNE) and Duvivier (Gordon). It was interesting to see Duvivier play off of RWUs Conor O'Brien and invite him to shoot open 3s last game which led to a 34 point night for the big man. I'm not positive if they'll apply the same strategy against Tavitian, who shoots around the same percentage as O'Brien does from deep. If they choose to let Tavitian shoot on the perimeter, expect Mike Pettway to have a tough time penetrating to the hoop as Gordon's defense was able to collapse on RWUs penetrator, Austin Coene, last game. On the defensive end, I don't know if freshman Tavitian will be able to stop Duvivier from putting up a near 20-20 game. He is just a big, strong body that controls the paint and makes most of his shots from less than 5 feet away. Additionally, I'm not positive if there is anyone on WNE who can matchup against Gordon's swingman, Eric Demers. I think Demers will easily drop 20+ points in this one. In my opinion, this is a poor matchup for WNE overall, especially on the glass (-7.6 rebounding margin per game) against a team that scored 26 second chance points on RWU in their last game. Prediction - Gordon: 84 WNE: 71

3. Wentworth Institute of Technology (WIT) (10-5) (5-3) @ Roger Williams (RWU) (11-4) (5-3)

I predict this will be the game of the night as the number 4 and 5 teams in the conference will face off against each other in Bristol, RI. RWU comes off of two tough losss against Gordon and Endicott. RWU has a rather rough week, as they play the top four teams in the conference, including conference leader, Nichols, on Saturday. RWU needs a win in this one and I can see them coming out hungry from the get go. As always, it will be interesting to see how the team handles the 1-3-1 zone of WIT that really slows the pace of the game down. RWU doesn't play at a particularly fast pace regardless, so I'd be surprised if either team scored in the 80s in this one. Look for their leading scorer, Austin Coene, to bounce back from his poor shooting performance in this one as I think he needs at least his season average (23.6 ppg) in points for RWU to attain the win. It will be interesting to see if Conor O'Brien, who has the hot hand for RWU, can stay out of foul trouble as RWU faces two formidable big men in WITs Jason Ganley and Stephen Azums. Rebounding and free throws could play a vital role in this likely low scoring affair. While WIT holds the clear advantage on the glass, they are shooting a dismal 60.6% from the line as a team this year. They need to control the glass and advantage of their opportunities from the charity stripe if they are to win this one on the road. However, I think RWU is just too hungry for a victory to lose their third in a row tonight. Of note, I do not think RWU sharpshooter, Rich Pugliese, will return for this one as he is still battling the effects of a concussion he sustained a couple weeks ago. This could really hurt RWU as they lose not only lose their best shooter against 1-3-1 zone but also lose spacing on the floor to penetrate now that they have one less shooter on the court. Of note, junior guard Jake Heaton has done a nice job filling in for Pugliese and I do think he will need to hit at least 1-2 three point field goals tonight to help RWU fill in the void. Prediction - RWU: 75 WIT 69




Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on January 24, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
This is a reply to Dave McHugh's recent Top 25 ballot. While I agree with him dropping Nichols out of the Top 25, I don't agree with his reasoning. The CCC continues to get a label as a weak conference despite its overall improvement as a conference. They are currently sitting at 39-29 in non-conference games, ranked 16th out of 45 conferences. They are tied 1st in the country for the biggest change in non-conference record compared to last year. How is a statistic like this not eye opening or worth considering? Also, for the first time in CCC history, they received an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament last year. My point in all of this is the CCC deserves more recognition in Division 3 basketball and I think has a legitimate chance for another 2 bids to the NCAAs this year.

We can discuss Nichols recent struggles first. The only two games they have lost in conference have been to WNE and UNE, who are middle of the road teams in the CCC. The one common factor in these losses is they were without their second best player, DeAnte Bruton, in both of these contests. However, their two close wins against RWU and ENC this past week are a testament to a more competitive conference rather than a weaker Nichols team. They haven't lost any key players in the last year and teams within the conference are finally learning how to play effectively against them. If you can slow the pace of the game, limit their transition opportunities, handle their pick and roll/hand-off based offense, and attack the paint offensively, you will be there with a chance to win at the end of the game against Nichols.

RWU had a four game week, in which they played the four best teams in the conference, resulting in a 0-4 record. It doesn't help that your first game of the week is a double OT loss at Endicott. In the second and third games, you could see that they were fatigued and not there mentally, resulting in losses to both Gordon and WIT. However, the final game of the week against Nichols you saw a rejuvenated RWU team that controlled a majority of the game before their struggles at the free throw line cost them the game. While you can't ignore four losses in a row, they were all without their sharpshooter, Rich Pugliese, who is instrumental in their offense and also an underrated defender. If Pugliese was playing in these four games, I honestly believe they would have come out of the week at least 2-2. In their four losses, they lost by an average of four points. I still believe that RWU is a top 3 team in the CCC and they will have a very solid second half of conference play if they can remain healthy. They face off against WNE tonight, although there is still no word on whether or not Pugliese will take the floor in this one.

Simply put, the CCC is just a more competitive conference. If you discount Curry and Salve Regina, any team could beat each other on a given night. UNE is probably the scariest and most volatile team in the conference, which comes to no surprise given their Grinnell type offense. They have victories against the top 3 teams in the conference, but have also lost to the likes of RWU, ENC, and WIT. They begin their second half of conference play against Gordon tonight. Gordon has been a rising team in the CCC and currently sits third, although they seem to play down to inferior opponents, which likely cost them the game against WNE and UNE. Finally, we look at an Endicott squad who is second in the CCC. They are coming off a big win last week against RWU and a surprising loss to UNE on Saturday. They have one of the best players in the conference, if not the country in Keith Brown. However, they simply could be beat by anyone in the conference if he has an off night. Endicott plays at home against Nichols tonight in what will be a very interesting matchup regardless if DeAnte Bruton is able to take the court.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 24, 2018, 03:12:35 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on January 24, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
This is a reply to Dave McHugh's recent Top 25 ballot. While I agree with him dropping Nichols out of the Top 25, I don't agree with his reasoning. The CCC continues to get a label as a weak conference despite its overall improvement as a conference. They are currently sitting at 39-29 in non-conference games, ranked 16th out of 45 conferences. They are tied 1st in the country for the biggest change in non-conference record compared to last year. How is a statistic like this not eye opening or worth considering? Also, for the first time in CCC history, they received an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament last year. My point in all of this is the CCC deserves more recognition in Division 3 basketball and I think has a legitimate chance for another 2 bids to the NCAAs this year.

We can discuss Nichols recent struggles first. The only two games they have lost in conference have been to WNE and UNE, who are middle of the road teams in the CCC. The one common factor in these losses is they were without their second best player, DeAnte Bruton, in both of these contests. However, their two close wins against RWU and ENC this past week are a testament to a more competitive conference rather than a weaker Nichols team. They haven't lost any key players in the last year and teams within the conference are finally learning how to play effectively against them. If you can slow the pace of the game, limit their transition opportunities, handle their pick and roll/hand-off based offense, and attack the paint offensively, you will be there with a chance to win at the end of the game against Nichols.

RWU had a four game week, in which they played the four best teams in the conference, resulting in a 0-4 record. It doesn't help that your first game of the week is a double OT loss at Endicott. In the second and third games, you could see that they were fatigued and not there mentally, resulting in losses to both Gordon and WIT. However, the final game of the week against Nichols you saw a rejuvenated RWU team that controlled a majority of the game before their struggles at the free throw line cost them the game. While you can't ignore four losses in a row, they were all without their sharpshooter, Rich Pugliese, who is instrumental in their offense and also an underrated defender. If Pugliese was playing in these four games, I honestly believe they would have come out of the week at least 2-2. In their four losses, they lost by an average of four points. I still believe that RWU is a top 3 team in the CCC and they will have a very solid second half of conference play if they can remain healthy. They face off against WNE tonight, although there is still no word on whether or not Pugliese will take the floor in this one.

Simply put, the CCC is just a more competitive conference. If you discount Curry and Salve Regina, any team could beat each other on a given night. UNE is probably the scariest and most volatile team in the conference, which comes to no surprise given their Grinnell type offense. They have victories against the top 3 teams in the conference, but have also lost to the likes of RWU, ENC, and WIT. They begin their second half of conference play against Gordon tonight. Gordon has been a rising team in the CCC and currently sits third, although they seem to play down to inferior opponents, which likely cost them the game against WNE and UNE. Finally, we look at an Endicott squad who is second in the CCC. They are coming off a big win last week against RWU and a surprising loss to UNE on Saturday. They have one of the best players in the conference, if not the country in Keith Brown. However, they simply could be beat by anyone in the conference if he has an off night. Endicott plays at home against Nichols tonight in what will be a very interesting matchup regardless if DeAnte Bruton is able to take the court.

An eloquent response. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2018, 03:14:30 PM

I dropped Nichols this week, too.  I posted about my ballot late last night - http://onemorethingblog.blogspot.com/2018/01/d3hoops-top-25-ballot-january-22-2018.html

My reasoning is basically that Nichols got Bruton back and looked worse.  A lot of potential they're not currently realizing.

The CCC is much improved, but not nearly as much as you seem to think - and I went to a CCC school.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on January 24, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
They are currently sitting at 39-29 in non-conference games, ranked 16th out of 45 conferences. They are tied 1st in the country for the biggest change in non-conference record compared to last year. How is a statistic like this not eye opening or worth considering?

It's a noteworthy statistic, but only if the competition level is meaningful. I didn't see in your response anything about how that 39-29 record was compiled.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 24, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on January 24, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
They are currently sitting at 39-29 in non-conference games, ranked 16th out of 45 conferences. They are tied 1st in the country for the biggest change in non-conference record compared to last year. How is a statistic like this not eye opening or worth considering?

It's a noteworthy statistic, but only if the competition level is meaningful. I didn't see in your response anything about how that 39-29 record was compiled.

You get some idea when you look at the NC SOS of the CCC teams ranked in Matt Snyder's regional ranking website.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2018, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 24, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on January 24, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
They are currently sitting at 39-29 in non-conference games, ranked 16th out of 45 conferences. They are tied 1st in the country for the biggest change in non-conference record compared to last year. How is a statistic like this not eye opening or worth considering?

It's a noteworthy statistic, but only if the competition level is meaningful. I didn't see in your response anything about how that 39-29 record was compiled.

You get some idea when you look at the NC SOS of the CCC teams ranked in Matt Snyder's regional ranking website.

SOS numbers are often pretty high in New England.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 24, 2018, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2018, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 24, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on January 24, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
They are currently sitting at 39-29 in non-conference games, ranked 16th out of 45 conferences. They are tied 1st in the country for the biggest change in non-conference record compared to last year. How is a statistic like this not eye opening or worth considering?

It's a noteworthy statistic, but only if the competition level is meaningful. I didn't see in your response anything about how that 39-29 record was compiled.

You get some idea when you look at the NC SOS of the CCC teams ranked in Matt Snyder's regional ranking website.

SOS numbers are often pretty high in New England.

I do not think those numbers are very high.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2018, 07:35:45 PM
Endicott's SOS numbers are the only ones of any CCC team that are high enough to merit Pool C consideration.  Currently, KnightSlappy's calculations have Endicott with an SOS of .551 and an NCSOS of .590.  These numbers not only meet the Pool C basketball threshold, they are in the Pool C soccer threshold as well.

Gordon, Wentworth, and Roger Williams all have SOS numbers under .500 in both the overall and NCSOS range, while Nichols currently has an SOS of .509 with an NCSOS of .501.

As of now, Commonwealth Coast Conference looks more like it will only have the AQ going.  Endicott is going to have to win tonight vs Nichols to stay in Pool C consideration-- even then, I don't see any Endicott non-conference win that will end up as a win vs a regionally ranked opponent.  Babson is currently 9-8 overall; I will be surprised if Babson gets regionally ranked this season. 


Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 24, 2018, 08:26:06 PM
The point I was trying to emphasize was that in spite of an OOC record over .500 the strength of their non-conference was not very good. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2018, 09:47:31 PM
Nichols won at Endicott today, 83-63.  I noticed that live stats went down early in the second half. 

As a result, it looks more likely that only the AQ from this conference will get into the NCAA tournament this year. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on January 25, 2018, 01:15:32 AM
I am aware that SOS and a teams record versus regionally ranked opponents are the primary criteria when it comes time to select teams for Pool C bids. And honestly the schedule for the CCC out of conference is probably pretty comparable to last years schedule. They play a number of games against the NESCAC, NEWMAC, and LEC (most of their losses came teams from the NESCAC, but whose don't? They have the best out of conference record in the entire country). I just think it's difficult to gauge the true talent of a team at the beginning of the season based on their non-conference play. Teams connect and grow throughout the season but they're ultimately judged how they play the entire season. Sure, it makes sense but how is a conference like the CCC, who is known as one of the "weaker" conferences in New England, ever supposed to escape that image.

Maybe the in-conference games are getting closer because the competition is better, hence the better non-conference record for the CCC compared to last year. The bottom three teams in the conference (Curry, Eastern Nazarene, and Salve Regina) have a combined 8-13 record against non-conference opponents. That is three teams accounting for almost half of the non-conference losses for the entire CCC! Within the CCC, they are a dismal 6-27. Regardless of how "good" the competition is non-conference the only conclusion that can be made analyzing these three teams non-conference versus conference records is that the CCC is a stronger and more competitive conference this year. I don't care how many efficiency or rankings sites you can refer me to, that is simply a statistic that supports my statement that the CCC is just a stronger conference. Thus, you are not going to see teams with one or two loss conference records because the competition within the conference is just better.

Not that the CCC is comparable to the NESCAC, but there will be about 5 teams from that conference that make the NCAAs with 4-5 losses within their conference. On the other hand, supposedly the CCC is already being coined as a 1-bid league just because some of the stronger teams already have multiple losses within the conference. If you take a look at the top 5 teams in the CCC, not a single one of those teams has a loss to the bottom three teams within the conference. The competition at the top of the conference is just stronger and as a result there will be more variability and less dominance within the CCC. I know that I'm a supporter of RWU and the CCC overall, and thus a bit biased, but it just doesn't make sense to me that the CCC is already being told they will only have an AQ for the NCAAs this year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on January 25, 2018, 01:41:34 AM
Of note, it appears that Curry College has a mid season junior transfer from Roxbury Community College. Lherief Kenku was a multiple sport athlete at RCC and apparently ranked #1 in high jump in all of Division 3 Track & Field a couple years ago. Clearly, they added an athlete to their squad which has resulted in more competitive games in their last two contests against Gordon and WIT. They forced the game against WIT tonight into OT, as Kenku clearly has already made an impact for Curry. He is averaging 18.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 2 bpg, and 4.5 topg in two games thus far.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 25, 2018, 04:51:52 AM
The reason that the Commonwealth Coast Conference will usually get only one team in has nothing to do with league perception or the strength of competition within the league.  It has to do with the fact that each team in the CCC only gets 7 non-conference games to schedule, while the NESCAC schools get 14 out of conference games.  With only 7 non-conf games to schedule, a team that is scheduling for Pool C consideration cannot waste time getting victories over teams that will finish in last place in their respective leagues.  The teams that are scheduling for Pool C consideration need to get teams on the schedule that can finish at or near the top of the regional rankings and get wins against those teams to prove themselves.  Especially since the d3 men only has 21 Pool C (at large) bids nationally to give out vs d2's 40 (5 per region), d1 women's 32, or d1 men's 36.  Also, the finances are not there, (and probably will never be there) to support expansion of d3 to an 80 or 86 team field to give d3 the same or similar at large selection numbers to d2 or d1.

Otherwise, a supporter of a conference can point to conference winning pct outside the league, or the competitiveness within the league-- and those are good things to point out, BTW, but given the constraints d3 has to work with, those facts are not going to be selection criteria.

However, in a lot of d3 conferences, the knowledge that only the AQ will get into the NCAAs makes conf tournament week one of the most exciting weeks of the season.

PS-- I wish the NESCAC presidents would accept a partial double round robin for the NESCAC basketball schedule. 

Update-- Hopefully, Trinity (CT) will be regionally ranked on Feb. 21.  If so, that will help Nichols.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 11:04:28 AM
You are welcome to disagree with me. I often disagree with myself. LOL

However, Nichols' resume isn't that impressive and when they are struggling of late, I can't justify keeping them on my ballot. Ryan's thoughts are the same as mine. They get their PG back and don't look as good, right now.

As for the conference's non-conference slate... it might be above .500, but when you aren't playing a lot of challenging teams... it should be above .500 to some degree.

Nichols has played in non-conference play (records as of last Sunday):
- Newbury (3-11)
- Lasell (6-9)
- Wesleyan (13-3) loss
- Trinity (13-4) a win I have noted
- Becker (9-8)
- Anna Maria (4-12)
- Southern Maine (2-12)

That's 50-59 and 1-1 versus anyone of significance. Then they have losses to WNE (8-9) and UNE (8-10).

Not a lot on this resume that makes me feel comfortable with them on my ballot... and I realize the UNE game happened hours after I submitted my ballot.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: jaller on January 25, 2018, 12:53:01 PM
Well, I don't know about all of the rankings and whatnot,  it is great to see a lot of action on the CCC page. I hope it keeps up thru the postseason.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on January 26, 2018, 04:29:36 PM
Dave, I wasn't disagreeing with you dropping Nichols from the Top 25, I was disagreeing with your reasoning behind it. Yes, they won two close games against ENC and RWU with Bruton back. They also lost two games while Bruton was out. All that this tells me is that they are clearly much worse without Bruton playing. A pretty obvious statement. However, just because they didn't blow out RWU or ENC with Bruton in the lineup, doesn't mean that the team is worse. In my opinion, it is strictly because teams within the conference are figuring out how to effectively play against Nichols. They are a team that is guard heavy, lacking size, and doesn't particularly stress the importance of defense. The most important thing to do is limit their transition opportunities and open three point attempts. It seems that Nichols is back on track after a 20 point victory over rival Endicott College, as Marcos Ecchevaria dropped a 30 piece in the win. Just as I start getting on them about their less than stellar defense, they limit CCC scoring leader Keith Brown to 16 points on 4-16 shooting. They have another tough matchup against Gordon tomorrow and it will be interesting to see what Nichols team we see.

I guess your comment saying Nichols should be blowing out teams like RWU and ENC just irked me. I am just frustrated that the CCC continues to get labeled as a weak conference. How are they ever supposed to escape this image if they can't schedule more non-conference games? I understand that you're attributing their over .500 non-conference record to less than stellar competition. However, if I chose to examine the CCC non-conference schedule from this year and compared it to last year, I don't think we'd find much difference in the competition. Thus, I don't find it difficult to conclude that the conference is just better overall and that is why there is a 20 game difference in their non-conference record compared to last year. Obviously, some will disagree with me but that is the point of this thread. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2018, 12:44:19 PM

I've been following the CCC since before most of the current players were born.  The problem is not that there isn't opportunity to schedule better non-conference opponents, it's just that most teams aren't that interested in doing it.  If programs haven't reached a level where they can compete with the best teams, why play them?

Endicott scheduled last year specifically with Pool C in mind and won the games to do it.  Nichols is scheduling better as they're ready to win.  When ENC had their talented group, they were scheduling better.

The league is not going to improve with teams losing to Bowdoin and WPI every year - not until those are competitive games.  The CCC is for sure deeper than it's been in my memory, but it's not a top notch league.  The non-conference record was great this year, partly because the league is a little deeper, but also because the opponents aren't.

Yes, what you're talking about is the next step, but it's something for the future, not something that should be done already.

There are also more conferences changes to come, so things might look up, if the strongest squads end up together in a smaller league.

A league like the MAC Commonwealth might be a goal - where every team is competitive and, even with a small number of non-conference games, they play and win enough to improve the numbers.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 17, 2018, 08:53:39 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 05:37:26 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 20, 2018, 03:45:21 PM
And we've reached the end of an exciting regular season in the CCC. What a year it has been! The league continues to progress and gain a reputation nationally. Just a side note, the conference has four players who are Top 25 scorers in the country (Demers, Brown, Coene, and Echevarria). The CCC is coming off a 2-bid year for the NCAA tournament. Unfortunately, I do not think that will be the case this year as the conference has become more competitive and resulted in some losses for the top teams. The only possibility of an at-large bid will be for Nichols, who is at best a bubble team, if they don't win the CCC championship. Congratulations to all the players who were named to an All-CCC team this week. While I don't agree with some of the selections, the players deserve to be praised for their accomplishments this season. Now to the fun part. We have four games tonight for the quarterfinals of the CCC tournament. Surprisingly, I think the first round will be pretty straight forward this year and the 1-4 seeds will all come out victorious. Matchup assessment and predictions for all four games can be seen below:

#1 Nichols vs. #8 Western New England (WNE), 7:00 PM

These teams split their regular season series, with Nichols as the victors, 73-61, in their most recent matchup. I actually think WNE is a very good #8 seed and Nichols was unlucky to draw them for the first round. They have an elite player in Mike Pettway, who went off for 38 points in their first matchup this season, in which WNE came out with an OT victory. However, he was held to just 12 points in their second time playing Nichols a little over a week ago. WNE also has a few sharpshooters on the wings and the CCC ROY big man Zach Tavitian. Nichols has been on a roll, winners of 8 straight games, and is now ranked #22 in the country in the most recent Top 25 Poll released yesterday. Back-to-back CCC POY Marcos Echevarria will lead the way in a backcourt that boasts two 1st team All-CCC players. Echevarria has averaged 25 PPG and 9.5 RBPG against WNE this season. Nichols has really improved their defense over their winning streak, allowing 71.75 PPG in the last eight games. The emergence of freshman big man Matt Morrow has given them more versatility in their front court and has taken the load off of Jerome Cunningham's back. For WNE to stand a chance they need big games from Pettway, Tavitian, and I think at least a 15 point game from one of their guards, possibly Mike McGuire or E.J. Day. However, Nichols has more experience in big games and gets the home court advantage in what should be a packed game tonight. They are also the more talented team and I just don't see WNE having what it takes to pull off the upset of the #1 seed tonight.
Prediction: Nichols 88 WNE 72

#2 Gordon vs. #7 Salve Regina, 7:00 PM

Gordon came out victorious in both games against Salve Regina this year, by an average of 14 points. They say it is difficult to beat a team three times in one season, but I just don't like this matchup for Salve. However, Gordon has played down to inferior opponents a few times in the last month, where they lost to the likes of WNE and ENC. These two teams actually faced off in their final regular season game at Salve, where Gordon won 80-67. The two 1st team All-CCC players from Gordon, Demers and Duvivier, were actually held in check by Salve, as they only combined to score 29 points. If Salve is to stand any chance, they will have limit these two again. The real key to making this a game is getting double-double machine, Garrison Duvivier, in foul trouble early. Unfortunately, I just don't think anyone from Salve can matchup with Duvivier down low. Demers, the leading scorer from the CCC shouldn't have a problem scoring 20+ points in this one. Looking at Salve's recent games, it seems that they have transitioned to playing smaller, guard-heavy lineups at the end of the season. The once prominent big man, Cameron Collins, has been all but phased out of Salve's rotation. I don't know if that is the going to work against the second best rebounding team in the CCC in Gordon. Salve will rely on the play of 2nd team All-CCC guard, Rodney Morton, and guard Isaiah Bowman. If the two can get hot in the same game this one could get interesting. However, Gordon is a relatively defensively sound, disciplined, and talented team that features a 1-2 punch in Demers and Duvivier that I just don't think Salve can handle. It doesn't help that Salve won't get a boost from their home crowd as they are a dismal 4-9 in non-home games this year. Prediction: Gordon 85 Salve Regina 68

#3 Endicott vs. #6 Wentworth Institute of Technology (WIT), 5:30 PM

And we have yet another playoff matchup in which one team beat the opposing team twice in the regular season. Endicott won by an average of 16.5 points in their two contests against WIT this year. It's not surprising that both games were low scoring affairs, yet I do find it worth noting that Endicott's leading scorer and 1st Team All-CCC selection, Keith Brown, has been limited to 14 PPG against WIT this season. Brown was likely stymied by back-to-back CCC DPOY, Sam Knollmeyer, in these games as I have personally seen how WIT defends the opposing best offensive player this year in the couple WIT games I've attended. However, Endicott has received solid overall team efforts in both games against WIT, in which both times over 3 players scored more than 10 points. I have a feeling that Endicott is going to need another great team performance tonight to pull out the victory at home. If I had to pick a potential upset, it would be have to be this matchup. WIT has a veteran team led by forward Jason Ganley that has pulled off playoff upsets in the past (just ask the Gordon team from last year) that faces an inexperienced, young, but talented Endicott team led by a sophomore shooter. If WIT can manage to limit Brown to less than 15 points, control the glass, and get near 20 point efforts from Ganley and Azums they might just pull the upset off. I did see Endicott play RWU this past weekend and was thankful we did not have another 53 point game by Keith Brown on our hands. While he was swarmed by the Hawks defense a majority of the game (13 points on 3-16 shooting), I was able to see the growth in Endicott's other players. Forwards Matt McDevitt and Nick Thibeault were particularly impressive. The two will need to remain vigilant on the glass tonight and will also likely be relied upon to hit some big shots. I think Endicott uses their youthful energy and home court advantage to advance to the next round in a close game tonight. Prediction: Endicott 73 WIT 67

#4 Roger Williams (RWU) vs. #5 University of New England (UNE), 7:30 PM

In the fourth and final quarterfinal game we have UNE visiting RWU in Bristol, RI. RWU took both of the regular season games, winning the contests by an average of 19 points. In the last time these teams faced off just a few weeks ago, the game was much more tightly contested with RWU coming out with a 90-83 win at home. I think UNE got the worst matchup possible for tournament pairings against RWU. UNE  split games against the top 3 teams in the CCC this year (Nichols, Gordon, and Endicott), but has lost to RWU twice. I think this speaks to the defensive intensity that RWU plays with. UNE transitioned into a 'Grinnell' system this year and it clearly paid off as they finished the year with five more wins than they did in the 2016-2017 season. The system is centered around a defensive mindset to full-court press the entire game and run an offense that emphasizes 3-point attempts. This is in the midst of substituting all 5 players every one or two minutes. I've experienced the frenzy first hand and it actually reminds me a lot of an AAU game. Lots of shots, lots of scoring (hopefully), and lots of turnovers. And for UNE it has worked for the most part. Sure, they've been blown out in 9 of their losses (by 20 or more points). But they've also beaten some of the top teams in the conference with the system. It truly is a hit or miss system and that is what is terrifying about it. Unfortunately for UNE, they will face off against an RWU team that ranks first in the conference defending the 3PT (30.9%), which is what UNE uses to fuel their offense. In the two games against RWU, they have shot an abysmal 34-128 (26.5%) from 3PT. However, it appears that they have refined their system and have only averaged 42 3PAs in their final six games. RWU has the firepower to keep up with UNE in sophomore shooter, Rich Pugliese, and senior shooter, Jaylen Jennings. They also have two great players who can score at will around the hoop in senior big man Conor O'Brien and floor general Nick Marini. Additionally, they have an can-do-it-all scorer in 1st Team All-CCC Player, Austin Coene, who leads the team with 22.5 ppg and 2.0 spg. It was recently announced that UNE will be without senior captain and floor general, Drew Coveney, in this one. This is a significant loss for the team as you not only lose your ball handler and a solid defender but also the leadership and drive needed to win a playoff basketball away game. I think RWU has a chip on their shoulder after losing their final regular season game at home to Endicott by 2 and will come out with a lot of energy. This game could be really close or get out of hand early depending on how UNE shoots the ball. I'm leaning towards the latter as I feel that the defensive mindset of the RWU team in combination with some talented offensive players that love to get out/run with the ball and finish at the rim is just too much for a UNE team without Coveney to overcome. Prediction: RWU 98 UNE 80
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 21, 2018, 02:01:40 AM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 21, 2018, 11:02:17 AM
And just like that the quarterfinals of the CCC tournament are finished. Surprisingly, I called all the games correctly (maybe not the scores so much) and there were no upsets in the first round this year. #1 Nichols got an all around great team effort  and took care of #8 WNE in a blowout 100-68 victory. #2 Gordon had a similar team effort in a 14 point win over #7 Salve Regina. Rodney Morton and Isaiah Bowman did their best to keep Salve in the game but in the end they couldn't keep up with Gordon's balanced attack. #3 Endicott took care of #6 Wentworth in a 93-84 victory. Endicott had two players with over 20 points (McDevitt and Brown) and received solid bench play in the victory. Shoutout to senior Jason Ganley of WIT for his 34 point and 8 rebound effort in his final game. In the final quarterfinal game, #4 Roger Williams beat a determined #5 UNE team in a final score of 88-81. RWU senior Nick Marini scored his 100th point in the victory so a big congrats to him! Also, you have to tip your hat to RWU junior, Austin Coene, who finished the game with 35 points and 13 rebounds as he willed the RWU team to victory. I was at the game last night and every time RWU started to pull away UNE would come roaring back and make it a 5-6 point game. We now turn to the semifinal matchups that will be played tomorrow. A sneak peak to my predictions....we will have two upsets on our hands in the semifinals  :o
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:40:03 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 22, 2018, 03:11:59 AM
The semifinals of the CCC Tournament will both be played tomorrow at 7:00 PM. And boy oh boy do we have some interesting matchups for the semifinals. My game assessments and predictions can be seen below:

#1 Nichols vs. #4 Roger Williams University (RWU), 7:00 PM

This matchup features a surging and nationally ranked Nichols team against a defensive-minded yet talented RWU squad. Nichols took both games in the regular season, the most recent of which was an 82-79 thriller at home, where RWU was actually in control of the tempo and game for a majority of the time. In my time as a fan of RWU (this will be the third year), I think Nichols is 6-0 against RWU. RWU has had a difficult time handling the talented backcourt of Nichols and their pick and roll/hand-off based offense that also thrives off of transition opportunities. In this one we will see Austin Coene of RWU and Marcos Echevarria of Nichols face off, who in my opinion are the two best players in the conference. Coene has thrived against Nichols this year, averaging 23 ppg, 7.5 rbpg, 5.5 apg, and 1.5 spg in both games. On the other side, Echevarria has averaged 23.5 ppg, 4.5 rbpg, 5.5 apg, 1 spg in his two bouts against RWU. RWU was able to control the pace of the last game against Nichols by limiting their transition opportunities, taking smart shots, and playing good team defense. What killed them was their free throws as they shot an ugly 8-19 from the line while Nichols shot 23-30, a huge 15 point difference. I think RWU has a real chance to pull off the upset tomorrow. To do so, they have to limit transition and second chance opportunities for Nichols. Rebounding has been RWUs Achille's heel all season and now that Nichols has two big men who get 20+ minutes of playing time, they have to make hitting the glass a priority. In both games against Nichols this year they have had an average -3.5 rebounding margin. Nichols' backcourt is arguably one of the best in the country as the trio of Echevarria, Bruton, and Dion, all of whom can penetrate and shoot the 3, are a nightmare to defend. RWU has to communicate and resist playing help defense on drives if they want to avoid open Nichols 3PA. Another key factor for RWU is getting Nichols' big men in foul trouble early and keeping their own center, Conor O'Brien, out of foul trouble himself. To pull off the upset away RWU is going to need stellar games from their All-CCC guards Coene and Marini, and a 10-15 point game from one or two of their role players, such as Jaylen Jennings, Rich Pugliese, or J.J. Phofl. I think that RWU is going to come out aggressive with a lot of energy which will surprise the confident Nichols team. While I'm certainly biased, I have a feeling that RWU is going to escape Dudley, MA with a win and a chance at a CCC championship on Saturday.
Prediction: RWU 85 Nichols 81

#2 Gordon vs. #3 Endicott, 7:00 PM

Gordon swept Endicott this season, albeit it took overtime to achieve victory in both games. This is a very evenly matched game and is almost a toss up. Here, I feel like the saying "you can't beat a team three times in one season" will come into play. The game is essentially a toss up. While Gordon has the home court advantage, I have this gut feeling that Endicott is going to be able to pull this one off. If they are to do so, they have to find a way to stop Gordon's Eric Demers and Garisson Duvivier. Demers has averaged 29 ppg in the two games against Endicott this season. Even more impressive, Duvivier has averaged 25 ppg and 15.5 rbpg in Gordon's two wins against Endicott. It really comes down to getting Duvivier in foul trouble early and forcing Demers to take bad shots. Endicott will likely need a 30+ point effort from their sophomore phenom, Keith Brown, who has averaged 25 ppg against Gordon this year. I think Endicott has grown more as a team than Gordon has throughout the year. The rebounding has played a major role as well, as Gordon has averaged an astonishing +11.5 rebound margin against Endicott this year. Forwards Nick Thibeault and Matt McDevitt will have their hands full on the glass and will really have to make an impact on the boards and supporting Brown in scoring. It will be interesting to see the fan base tomorrow as Gordon and Endicott are just a few miles apart from each other. I expect to see a packed house at Gordon with some solid support for the Endicott Gulls in attendance. Keith Brown has been relatively quiet in his last several games and I can see him taking matters into his own hands tomorrow night and dropping 40+ points. I think we are going to see a rematch of the 2016 CCC Championship with RWU facing the Endicott Gulls in Beverly, MA on Saturday.
Prediction: Endicott 89 Gordon 86
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 23, 2018, 12:15:43 AM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 25, 2018, 12:13:05 AM
Final tournament results:
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:21:42 AM
​Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
     I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I haven't met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for  the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in The Basketball Tournament (TBT).  You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.

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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 15, 2018, 08:31:33 PM
Endicott with impressive win at MIT tonight. 
MIT did a great job of covering Keith Brown but the rest of the Gulls lit it up from downtown.
Endicott is deep and talented.  Great early season road win.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: northeasthoopfan on November 18, 2018, 09:09:12 AM
CCC - NESCAC Challenge

League goes 1-3 with some good competive games.

Tufts 88 -84 over RWU (in a close game throughout)
Wesleyan 80-72 over WNEU (another back and forth affair)
Trinity 106-87 over UNE (not so close)
Wentworth 67-64 over Conn College

Nichols, Endicott and Salve, and Gorsdon all win in othet action. Curry continues to slide.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 20, 2018, 04:08:50 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2019, 03:57:56 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:49:28 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 02, 2019, 12:30:58 PM
Okay, it's time to get back into this whole blogging thing that I was all about last year. I felt particularly compelled to do so after Gordon Men's Basketball Coach, Todd Murphy, was interviewed on last weeks Hoopsville. He carried himself very well in that interview and Gordon has had a fantastic season thus far. It's also nice to see that the CCC is finally getting some recognition, although I feel that my team Roger Williams (RWU) has kind of been overshadowed by Nichols, Gordon, and Endicott given their slow start to the season. With that being said, we have quite a bit to catch up on now that we are deep into the season with the first regional rankings coming out next weekend. Like my posts, the CCC thread has all but dried up and deserves some love. I'll try to capture the season the best I can by highlighting 10 key points in the CCC that can be found below:

1. Eastern Nazarene College (ENC) departs the CCC for the NECC: ENC has officially left the CCC for the NECC, in which I'm not aware of the actual details for this move. However, in my opinion the move is to an inferior conference in regards to men's basketball. ENC is currently sits 4th in the NECC and has been playing decent basketball. If they remained in the CCC, my guess is they'd be hovering around 6th or 7th in the conference, which is no diss to them as the top half of the CCC is filled with very talented teams. I also have some evidence they'd be this low in the standings as they've finished 1-3 against CCC teams this year, although it was two losses to Gordon and one to Endicott with a win against woeful Curry. Nonetheless, this move opened up more chances for the CCC to show their strength against non-conference opponents as they were very successful in non-conference play last year. One would think that the CCC would continue on this path.......but wait a minute! 

2. CCC diminishing record in non-conference games this year: In 2017-2018, the CCC finished 16th out of 45 in Division 3 Basketball with a 40-30 non-conference record, tying for 1st in change in non-conference record compared to the 2016-2017 season. So, it's safe to say that things were looking up for the CCC. Unfortunately, they could not keep it up this year and are currently sitting in 24th out of 46 in non-conference play with a 37-39 record. From what I can tell, the CCC only has one non-conference game remaining (WNE vs. Rivier, which should be a win for WNE). The team with the biggest slip in non-conference play was RWU, who finished 7-1 in non-conference games in 2017-2018 and a dreadful 3-6 in 2018-2019. So what caused this decline....was it simply better competition? No, RWU actually faced 5 of the same non-conference teams they played in 2017-2018 (record 4-1) and finished with a 1-4 record against them this season. Other than that, the only real challenge they faced was a rebuilding Tufts squad that they lost to 84-88. RWU lost 3 key players (Nick Marini, Conor O'Brien, and Jaylen Jennings) to graduation that accounted for over 40% of their scoring in 2017-2018. With that being said, it's no surprise that RWU ran into some bumps in the road (actually half of their non-conference losses were at home  ;D, my attempt at some humor). I think they had a wake up call after losing to a good Suffolk squad 51-83 right before Christmas break. Since then, the team has really started to mesh and they have been playing great basketball since then with a 6-3 record, in which two of the games were less than 5 point losses to the likes of Nichols and Gordon. The other killer continues to be the teams that sit at the bottom of the league in the CCC. The bottom 3 teams in the CCC combined to finish with a 7-20 non-conference record this year. A breakdown of how the CCC fared against some of the other conferences can be seen below:

GNAC: 9-9
MASCAC: 11-2
NESCAC: 4-9
NEWMAC: 5-5
LEC: 2-3
NECC: 4-3

3. Curry College continues to be a bottom of the barrel team in the CCC: I hope you're sitting down because you wouldn't want to stand up after I tell you Curry's record in the last four years....a dismal 4-91. Yikes! You can't help but feel for a team that has struggled this much in the recent years. However, things may be looking up as they have a new head coach who is actually a former Division 3 1,000 point scorer and seems to be energetic, passionate, and committed to bring a change to this Curry team. One bright spot, if you can call it is that Jared Thorpe-Johnson, a junior forward, recently tied a CCC single game scoring record and broke the Curry single game scoring record with a 59 point performance in a 104-139 loss to UNE. On a team where nothing seems to be going right, you have to look at the upside wherever you can. Here's to hoping that Curry can figure things out in the next few years!

4. The top 4 teams in the CCC have played unbelievably close games against each other: The top 4 teams of the CCC have played some pretty amazing games against each other this year. Currently, Gordon is 3-0, Nichols is 3-1, RWU is 1-2, and Endicott is 0-4 in these games. 6 out of the 7 games have been decided by less than 7 points and the only blowout game was an 85-64 Nichols win over Endicott earlier in the season. The parity among these teams is ridiculous. I've seen at least half of these games in person and all of them were paragons of nail biters. The best game I have seen all year was the 94-91 OT thriller between RWU and Gordon, with the latter coming out as the victors at home. I cannot wait for the final 5 games in the regular season between these teams, including the RWU vs Gordon rematch that I will be attending today!

5. The CCC will likely be a 2-bid conference for the NCAA Tournament for the third straight year: In the past two years, the CCC has been a 2-bid league, both times in which Nichols has received the automatic bid after winning the CCC championship and Endicott receiving a Pool C selection. This year, I really think the CCC Championship is up for grabs among the top 4 teams, with Nichols undoubtedly being the favorite at this point in time. However, Gordon has really improved this year and has received some national recognition because of this. At this point in the season, Gordon and Nichols are strong Pool C selection considerations, while Endicott and RWU are on the outside looking in and would likely have to win the CCC championship to make the NCAA tournament. Regardless, it is great to see that the CCC is becoming a stronger league and hopefully we will continue to see 2+ bids from this conference in the years to come.

6. 3 CCC teams have received Top 25 votes on the poll this year: It's been great to see the continued growth of the CCC in now what is my fourth year following the league. Thus far, Nichols, Gordon, and Endicott have all received votes for the Top 25 poll in Division 3 basketball, most recently the former of the two. Nichols is actually ranked #24 at the moment and has been hovering around this ranking for the past two seasons. I hope we continue to see this type of success in the CCC and continue to gain recognition amongst the more established and well-known conferences like the NEWMAC and NESCAC, but we have a long way to go as you can see by the CCCs non-conference records against them.

7. The CCC has 2 players in the Top 25 in scoring of all Division III Basketball this year:

5. Austin Coene, RWU - 25.5 PPG
25. Keith Brown, Endicott - 22.2 PPG.

While they are in the Top 25 scoring in all of Division 3 and the top two scorers in the CCC, they both have very different styles when it comes to scoring. Coene can do a little bit of everything but is mostly known for being a strong, slashing, wing player that finishes extremely well around the hoop and also has a very good pull up mid-range jumper. He also lives at the charity stripe where he is 121/163 (74%) on the season. The weakest part of his game is probably his 3 ball (34.7% on 25/72 shooting this year), which he often only takes if he's in a rhythm with the ball in his hand or if he's got a pretty open look. Watch out though, he's a nice 9/17 from 3-point range in his last 6 games. Keith Brown is the definition of a pure shooter and has one of the nicest 3 point strokes I've ever seen, with a very fluid and quick release. He's shooting 43% from 3-point range this year, in which just over half of his shots come from beyond the arc per game. He is a good free throw shooter at 82% yet only gets to the line 4 times a game. I've personally seen him play a few times and don't think I've ever seen him take a mid range jumper. He also has a pretty strong post game as well as he often gets matched up against smaller guards. Of note, the two prolific scorers are actually good friends and have trained together in the offseason for the past couple years.

8. 2018-2019 CCC Player of the Year Considerations:

1. Austin Coene, RWU  25.5 PPG, 8.9 REBPG, 4.3 ASTPG, 1.9 STLPG, 0.6BLKPG
2. Garrison Duvivier, Gordon 17.0 PPG, 12.7 REBPG, 3.5 ASTPG, 1.3 STLPG, 2.2 BLKPG
3. Marcos Echevarria, Nichols 19.5 PPG, 4.1 REBPG, 4.2 ASTPG, 1.7 A/TO, 1.9 STLPG

If you're a stats guy like me, Coene should honestly win this outright. However, you also have to take into account more than a player's stats when considering a POY, that being the team's success. All 3 play on the top 3 CCC teams in the standings at this point in time. However, Duviver and Echevarria (reigning 2-time CCC POY) both play on teams that are nationally recognized, have played better non-conference opponents, and have drastically better overall records than Coene's team, RWU, that is currently 11-9 overall. So, are Coene's stats better because he is relied upon more as his team is often in games that are closer and require him to play 35+ minutes a game? It's possible. However, I've personally seen all 3 play in person and this year I think Coene has taken it to the next level leading a team that is playing very well at the moment and that lost three key players to graduation. On the other hand, Duvivier and Echevarria pretty much have the same team around them as they did last year, both playing with players that will likely both be 1st Team CCC players in Eric Demers and DeAnte Bruton.

9. One team that will falter and one team that will rise as the season closes:

Falter: Endicott - this is a very good team, don't get me wrong. However, they are 0-4 against the top 3 teams in the CCC. They started off really strong in non-conference play and have sort of been brought back to earth since that time, which surprised me. Comparatively, I think they are very similar to RWU, each with one 20+ point scorer and solid pieces around that one player to build a foundation that makes a good team. However, I think RWU is trending up while Endicott is slipping. I would not be surprised to see them upset in the first round of the CCC tournament by a team on the rise...cough cough...see below. However, the immediate future looks bright. I think this team will likely be the favorite to win the CCC Championship next year as Gordon, RWU, and Nichols will all be losing their best player to graduation this year.

Rise: WNE - this team is really difficult to figure out, as they have been so up and down this season. However, in their last 6 games they are 4-2 with losses to Nichols and a surprisingly good Suffolk team. One of their most recent wins was against Gordon, whom they've beat at home two years in a row. This is a very dangerous team that is built around senior, Mike Pettway, who is a prolific scorer with maybe the best mid-range game in the CCC. Additionally, they have a couple of wing players who can shoot the 3 ball and a presence down low in sophomore, Zach Tavitian. They also have a rising freshman guard in Antonio Brancato who has had a few 20+ point games this year. With their recent play, I would not want to be facing this team in the first round of the CCC tournament. And wouldn't you know it, based on the current standings they'd be playing Endicott in the first round. Of note, they lost away to Endicott 83-64 earlier in the season.

10. Predicting the CCC Championship Game: I'm giving myself the option of selecting two teams that I think could take home the CCC championship this year, one being an obvious pick and the other a biased sleeper pick, yet justified. So you guessed it, my picks are Nichols and RWU. Nichols has one of the best backcourts in the country in Marcos Echevarria and DeAnte Bruton. They also get big minutes and solid play from their bigs in Matt Morrow and Jerome Cunningham. However, they did have a key loss in their backcourt this season with guard Tyler Dion transferring to Worcester State. Their two losses this year have come to Gordon and a good Salisbury team. If they get home court advantage throughout the CCC tournament I can't see them not being in the CCC championship for the third straight year. On the other hand, we have a RWU team that really struggled at the beginning of the season, specifically in non-conference play where they have thrived in the past couple years. Their Achilles heel continues to be their lack of size and rebounding, which has really hurt them and in my eyes has been the cause of most of their losses in close games this year. I honestly think there have only been a handful of games this year when an opposing big man has not had a double double against them. Austin Coene, who stands at 6' 2" is often their starting power forward. It was actually comical seeing him matchup against Parker Omslayer who stands at 6' 11" in their game against Gordon. They were robbed in the Gordon game in what may have been one of the worst officiated games I've ever personally witnessed. 3 RWU players fouled out in the game, including Coene in OT, and the free throw stats were 31 FTA to 12 FTA in Gordon's favor. However, they had a 9 point lead with 1:30 remaining in regulation and simply got careless with the ball which allowed Gordon back in the game. But, that's neither here nor there as RWU is simply playing great basketball at the right time in the season. They also only lost to Nichols by 5 and in the past three games dating back to the 2017-2018 season they have been up by more than 9 at halftime each game against Nichols. It's simply a matter of not stepping off the gas and finishing the game now. In my opinion, Coene is the best all around player in the conference and hopefully will be an All-American consideration if RWU continues their strong play. However, he has a great around him too. Senior Jake Heaton is a knock down shooter and I think should be in the running for defensive POY. They also have a very strong point guard in JJ Pfohl who does a little bit of everything for the Hawks. Wing player Rich Pugliese is arguably the best 3 point shooter on the team that struggled a bit earlier in the season. However, he has come on strong recently and has shot 17-38 from 3-point range in his last six games. Down low, forward Drew Hart and center Ian Charmichael continue to grow as players, with Hart averaging 14 ppg in his last six games and Charmichael being the ever so needed defensive presence down low that RWU needs. The biggest strength of RWU is that all the players in their rotation have the ability to shoot the 3 ball, and as a team have shot 42% from 3 in their last six games. If they continue to play unselfish basketball, shoot the 3 well, and step it up on the glass I can see this team in a matchup at Nichols for the CCC championship in just a few weeks.

Don't hate me for the length of this post  :) I had so much to catch up on this season and still feel like I haven't written enough. More posts to come in the remainder of the season. Hopefully, a lot shorter posts for that matter.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:15:14 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2019, 12:48:55 AM
And we've now closed out the second to last week in regular season CCC conference play. No real surprise results today, unless you want to count the RWU 86-82 win over Endicott as an upset.

RWU finally put together a strong second half after trailing 37-41 at halftime. The two leading scorers in the CCC, Austin Coene of RWU and Keith Brown of Endicott, both played well, scoring 29 and 30, respectively. Additionally, RWU had major scoring contributions (14+ points) from 3 other players. Coene also had 16 rbs, 3 asts, 1 stl, and 1 blk. Senior guard Jake Heaton may have had his best overall game of his career today, with 20 points and solid defense on Keith Brown in the second half of the game. The biggest team stat line of the game was the 38-27 rebounding advantage for RWU, who has struggled on the glass for the majority of the season.

It's a huge win for RWU who now is tied with Endicott for 3rd place in the CCC, both sitting with 9-5 conference records. I'm not sure how the tie breaker works in the CCC, but I'd have to assume if the season ended today Endicott would still take 3rd as they have the better overall record despite losing to RWU twice this season. Both teams have two games left, Endicott with WNE and Gordon, and RWU with Curry and WNE. Endicott easily has the tougher of the remaining two games and I would bet to see RWU sitting in sole possession of 3rd place in the CCC after the regular season comes to an end next Saturday.

We also have a battle for 1st place in the CCC between Gordon and Nichols. I'm sure both would love to have that first round bye in the CCC tournament. The two teams will meet Wednesday night at Gordon in a game that will likely decide the regular season champ of the CCC. However, Gordon also has Endicott remaining while Nichols faces Wentworth in their last regular season game. I would expect to see both Nichols and Gordon move up in the regional rankings this week after Williams and MIT both lost their most recent games. In an ideal world, I would love to see RWU take home the CCC championship and see both Nichols and Gordon get at-large bids to the NCAA tournament. I'm not sure if the CCC has ever received 3 bids to the NCAA tournament. But, we still have quite a bit of basketball to play before we can even consider that possibility. At the bottom half of the standings, we have Wentworth, Salve Regina, and UNE fighting for the remaining two playoff spots. As of now, it looks like UNE has the highest chance of being eliminated, yet there is a chance all 3 teams could finish 5-11 in the conference standings. If that was the case, again I'm not sure how the tie breaker works in the CCC. Clearly, this will be a very exciting end of the CCC regular season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 10, 2019, 01:00:04 AM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2019, 12:48:55 AM
And we've now closed out the second to last week in regular season CCC conference play. No real surprise results today, unless you want to count the RWU 86-82 win over Endicott as an upset.

RWU finally put together a strong second half after trailing 37-41 at halftime. The two leading scorers in the CCC, Austin Coene of RWU and Keith Brown of Endicott, both played well, scoring 29 and 30, respectively. Additionally, RWU had major scoring contributions (14+ points) from 3 other players. Coene also had 16 rbs, 3 asts, 1 stl, and 1 blk. Senior guard Jake Heaton may have had his best overall game of his career today, with 20 points and solid defense on Keith Brown in the second half of the game. The biggest team stat line of the game was the 38-27 rebounding advantage for RWU, who has struggled on the glass for the majority of the season.

It's a huge win for RWU who now is tied with Endicott for 3rd place in the CCC, both sitting with 9-5 conference records. I'm not sure how the tie breaker works in the CCC, but I'd have to assume if the season ended today Endicott would still take 3rd as they have the better overall record despite losing to RWU twice this season. Both teams have two games left, Endicott with WNE and Gordon, and RWU with Curry and WNE. Endicott easily has the tougher of the remaining two games and I would bet to see RWU sitting in sole possession of 3rd place in the CCC after the regular season comes to an end next Saturday.

We also have a battle for 1st place in the CCC between Gordon and Nichols. I'm sure both would love to have that first round bye in the CCC tournament. The two teams will meet Wednesday night at Gordon in a game that will likely decide the regular season champ of the CCC. However, Gordon also has Endicott remaining while Nichols faces Wentworth in their last regular season game. I would expect to see both Nichols and Gordon move up in the regional rankings this week after Williams and MIT both lost their most recent games. In an ideal world, I would love to see RWU take home the CCC championship and see both Nichols and Gordon get at-large bids to the NCAA tournament. I'm not sure if the CCC has ever received 3 bids to the NCAA tournament. But, we still have quite a bit of basketball to play before we can even consider that possibility. At the bottom half of the standings, we have Wentworth, Salve Regina, and UNE fighting for the remaining two playoff spots. As of now, it looks like UNE has the highest chance of being eliminated, yet there is a chance all 3 teams could finish 5-11 in the conference standings. If that was the case, again I'm not sure how the tie breaker works in the CCC. Clearly, this will be a very exciting end of the CCC regular season.

Tie break criteria for CCC. (http://www.cccathletics.com/secure/content/administrative/tiebreakercriteria) Scroll down for basketball.

If RWU has the season sweep of Endicott and RWU gets to play Curry and WNE while Endicott players Gordon and WNE, I would be very surprised to see Endicott get the 3 seed over your RWU team.

As for the potential 3-way tie towards the bottom of the standings... you can do the work yourself on that one  ;D :D
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2019, 01:11:36 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 10, 2019, 01:00:04 AM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2019, 12:48:55 AM
And we've now closed out the second to last week in regular season CCC conference play. No real surprise results today, unless you want to count the RWU 86-82 win over Endicott as an upset.

RWU finally put together a strong second half after trailing 37-41 at halftime. The two leading scorers in the CCC, Austin Coene of RWU and Keith Brown of Endicott, both played well, scoring 29 and 30, respectively. Additionally, RWU had major scoring contributions (14+ points) from 3 other players. Coene also had 16 rbs, 3 asts, 1 stl, and 1 blk. Senior guard Jake Heaton may have had his best overall game of his career today, with 20 points and solid defense on Keith Brown in the second half of the game. The biggest team stat line of the game was the 38-27 rebounding advantage for RWU, who has struggled on the glass for the majority of the season.

It's a huge win for RWU who now is tied with Endicott for 3rd place in the CCC, both sitting with 9-5 conference records. I'm not sure how the tie breaker works in the CCC, but I'd have to assume if the season ended today Endicott would still take 3rd as they have the better overall record despite losing to RWU twice this season. Both teams have two games left, Endicott with WNE and Gordon, and RWU with Curry and WNE. Endicott easily has the tougher of the remaining two games and I would bet to see RWU sitting in sole possession of 3rd place in the CCC after the regular season comes to an end next Saturday.

We also have a battle for 1st place in the CCC between Gordon and Nichols. I'm sure both would love to have that first round bye in the CCC tournament. The two teams will meet Wednesday night at Gordon in a game that will likely decide the regular season champ of the CCC. However, Gordon also has Endicott remaining while Nichols faces Wentworth in their last regular season game. I would expect to see both Nichols and Gordon move up in the regional rankings this week after Williams and MIT both lost their most recent games. In an ideal world, I would love to see RWU take home the CCC championship and see both Nichols and Gordon get at-large bids to the NCAA tournament. I'm not sure if the CCC has ever received 3 bids to the NCAA tournament. But, we still have quite a bit of basketball to play before we can even consider that possibility. At the bottom half of the standings, we have Wentworth, Salve Regina, and UNE fighting for the remaining two playoff spots. As of now, it looks like UNE has the highest chance of being eliminated, yet there is a chance all 3 teams could finish 5-11 in the conference standings. If that was the case, again I'm not sure how the tie breaker works in the CCC. Clearly, this will be a very exciting end of the CCC regular season.

Tie break criteria for CCC. (http://www.cccathletics.com/secure/content/administrative/tiebreakercriteria) Scroll down for basketball.

If RWU has the season sweep of Endicott and RWU gets to play Curry and WNE while Endicott players Gordon and WNE, I would be very surprised to see Endicott get the 3 seed over your RWU team.

As for the potential 3-way tie towards the bottom of the standings... you can do the work yourself on that one  ;D :D

Glad you're seeing eye to eye with me on RWUs chances of finishing 3rd in the CCC at the end of the regular season. Fingers crossed. I actually reviewed the CCC tiebreaking criteria this past week and was a bit confused about the wording of the initial statement, "In the event of a tie in winning percentage in the regular-season standings, the following procedure shall be applied in the designated order to break all ties for seeding or to determine the final team(s) that will qualify for the conference championship." Does this mean in-conference record or overall record? The remaining criteria does not include mention of either which is why this is confusing to me.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 10, 2019, 01:17:20 AM
It would be only the in-conference record, unless otherwise noted, such as in the third statement.

So two or more CCC teams would have to have the same conference record in order to go down the tie break list that is given.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2019, 01:16:46 PM
Thank you for clearing that up. So if I'm correct, overall record carries no weight in the tiebreaking criteria for the CCC tournament seedings?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 10, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2019, 01:16:46 PM
Thank you for clearing that up. So if I'm correct, overall record carries no weight in the tiebreaking criteria for the CCC tournament seedings?

Right.  Overall record usually has no bearing on conference tournament seedings.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2019, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: AllStar on February 10, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
Quote from: D3ball1845 on February 10, 2019, 01:16:46 PM
Thank you for clearing that up. So if I'm correct, overall record carries no weight in the tiebreaking criteria for the CCC tournament seedings?

Right.  Overall record usually has no bearing on conference tournament seedings.

Sometimes leagues will include some non-conference games way down the tiebreakers - especially if there's a non-conference common opponent or something like that.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:22:00 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 14, 2019, 03:56:17 PM
The second to last night of CCC regular season play significantly impacted the standings, solidifying conference position for some and almost eliminating post season play for others. Results from last night and their implications can be seen below:

Nichols 107 @ Gordon 93
Endicott 76 @ WNE 104
RWU 96 @ Curry 76
UNE 93 @ Wentworth 80

1. Nichols takes sole possession of first place and clinches their sixth straight regular season championship of the CCC after taking care of business at Gordon last night, winning 107-93. It was a battle of the stars, as Bruton and Echevarria combined for 53 points for Nichols while Duvivier and Demers combined for 66 in the loss. Nichols gets a 1st round bye in the CCC tournament and Gordon finishes at 2nd in the CCC and will play the #7 team (TBD, see below) in the first round.

2. Endicott struggled at WNE and was unable to put together a comeback in what was probably their worst loss of the season. I actually got something right for once (referencing my first post of the season which covered 3/4 of the season). I predicted that Endicott would falter and WNE would be on the rise at the conclusion of the regular season. Endicott has lost two straight, while WNE has won their last 6/7 games. With the loss to WNE, Endicott drops to fourth in the CCC and cannot reclaim third place in the final game. They will meet WNE in the first round of the CCC tournament, location yet to be determined. Here's how this can play out. If Endicott wins at home against Gordon on Saturday, they clinch 4th place in the CCC and a first round home game against WNE. However, if they lose to Gordon and WNE beats RWU, the two will be tied with 9-7 CCC records. Tie breaker goes to WNE as they beat Gordon at home just a couple weeks ago. Endicott would then have to return to WNE for a first round playoff game after just losing to them by 28 last night away from home. If I were Endicott, I'd be pretty nervous right now and praying for RWU to beat WNE at home for their Senior Day on Saturday.

3. RWU easily beats Curry on the road by 20 points. Austin Coene probably had his worst shooting performance of the season last night, but looked very relaxed and seemed to be having fun getting his teammates involved and taking a night off from leading the team in scoring. Jake Heaton and Rich Pugliese of RWU combined to shoot an astonishing 14-17 from the 3 point line in the game. If they can continue this hot shooting into the post season I'd be very surprised if we didn't see RWU in the CCC Championship game. With the RWU win and the Endicott loss, RWU clinched third place in the CCC and will play the #6 team in the CCC (TBD, see below) in the first round of the conference tournament. Curry falls to 1-22 on the season, but does have a chance to eliminate Salve from postseason contention on Saturday.

4. UNE wins their final regular season game away at Wentworth, 93-80. This game had the biggest implications for the two remaining playoff spots being fought for between UNE, Wentworth, and Salve Regina. Conference standings today have UNE at 5-11 with no games remaining, Salve Regina at 4-11 with one game remaining at home versus Curry, and Wentworth at 5-10 with one game remaining away at Nichols. It would appear that Wentworth has the highest chance of grabbing one of the final two postseason spots. However, looks can be deceiving, especially with the tie breaking criteria of the CCC. The two remaining games involving the three teams and the Massey Ratings prediction for the respective games can be found below:

a. Wentworth @ Nichols, 3:00 PM on 02/16/2019 - Prediction: Nichols 99%, 84-57
b.  Curry @ Salve Regina, 3:00 PM on 02/16/2019 - Prediction: Salve Regina 94%, 86-69

If these games play out like they should, these three teams will all sit at 5-11 for their conference record. Even though three way ties can be tricky, I think I've determined who gets the remaining playoff spots and the corresponding seeds based off the tie breaking criteria.  There are five steps to the tie breaking criteria for CCC Men's Basketball. The first criteria is head to head competition. UNE is 2-0 vs Wentworth and 1-1 vs Salve. Wentworth is 0-2 vs UNE and 1-1 vs Salve. Salve is 1-1 vs both teams. Because of this, you would start a new tie between UNE and Salve, as Wentworth was the only team to finish 0-2 in head to head competition out of the three teams. Head to head, Salve and UNE are both 1-1. The second tie breaking criteria is record against other conference teams from the top of the standings down. UNE and Salve lost both of their games against Nichols, Gordon, RWU, and Endicott. However, 5th in the conference standings is WNE. Salve finished 1-1 vs WNE, while UNE finished 0-2 vs WNE. Thus, Salve would take home 6th place in the CCC and play RWU away in the first round of the CCC tournament. Then, we begin another tie with UNE and Wentworth. UNE won both games against Wentworth and thus would take home the final playoff spot at #7 in the CCC. They would face off against Gordon away in the first round of the conference tournament. Please reference the CCC tie breaking criteria if you want to double check if I've calculated things correctly.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 17, 2019, 01:01:37 AM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2019, 05:08:00 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 19, 2019, 04:06:46 PM
First round of the CCC Tournament begins tonight. The pairings for the three games, followed by my predictions and brief thoughts on the matchups can be found below:

#2 Gordon (21-4, 13-4) vs. #7 Wentworth (8-17, 5-11), 7:00 PM

This has the potential of being the upset of the tournament. Gordon is 2-0 vs Wentworth this season, yet their most recent game a few weeks ago was just a 2 point victory, 73-71, for the Scots on their home court. Wentworth plays at a very slow pace and that is how they are often able to remain in striking distance in games. We get a matchup of the two best big men in the CCC in Azums of Wentworth and Duvivier of Gordon. If Wentworth is to pull off the upset, Azums will undoubtedly have to win this matchup and put up about 20 points and 10+ rebounds. Wentworth will also likely need a 20+ point effort from wingman Gavin Keough to get the victory. If Wentworth is unable to contain Eric Demers and the Gordon shooters it could be a very long night for them. Gordon will have a huge crowd at home for the game and I'm sure senior Garrison Duvivier will be playing with a chip on his shoulder after being snubbed from the 1st Team All-CCC selection.

Prediction: Gordon 71 - Wentworth 64

#3 RWU (14-11, 11-5) vs. #6 UNE (7-18, 5-11)

I really don't think UNE has much of a chance at RWU tonight. The Hawks are playing great basketball right now and have the home court advantage, where they average almost 7 ppg more than they do away. Additionally, the Hawks are 2-0 vs UNE this year. Of note, this is a rematch of last year's first round game, and UNE actually put quite a scare into RWU that game, only losing 83-88. However, RWU has been shooting lights out from beyond the arc in their last three games where they have averaged 50% from downtown. UNE plays in a Grinnell type system and may be in danger of losing by 30+ if RWU continues their hot shooting. I really think that UNE is going to switch it up tonight and try to throw something different at RWU to see if they can shake them. If that is the case, we will just have to see how RWU responds. Regardless, I don't think RWU seniors Austin Coene and Jake Heaton will let the Hawks play sloppy or step off the gas tonight. I'm expecting a big victory by RWU.

Prediction: RWU 97 - UNE 73

#4 Endicott (17-8, 10-6) vs. #5 WNE (11-14, 8-8)

Endicott gets the chance to redeem themselves after a blowout loss to WNE less than a week ago. Lucky for them, they were able to hold on to the 4th seed and get a home game for the first round. This has huge implications for the results of this game, as Endicott has one of the best home court crowds and WNE averages 16 less ppg away than they do at their home court. WNE beat Gordon and Endicott on their home floor this year and lost to Nichols and RWU by less than 3 points each at home. WNE lost to these four teams by an average of 18 points away this season. I was at the WNE vs RWU this past weekend and was not particularly impressed by them and was surprised they could have beaten a team like Endicott by 30 points. Don't get me wrong, WNE has had a great second half to the season, but they have such a massive disadvantage playing away from home. I expect Keith Brown of Endicott to score 30+ in this one, as there is really no one from WNE that can guard him defensively. WNE will need 25+ point games from Pettway and maybe one of their shooters (likely McGuire) if they want to have a chance in this one. WNE is really just in an unlucky spot as Endicott is also coming off a huge victory at home vs Gordon. However, you can't ignore the 30 point victory over Endicott, so you'd have to think that WNE will be coming into this game with some confidence that they can play at a similar level tonight.

Prediction: Endicott 86 - WNE 71



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 20, 2019, 12:45:51 AM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 21, 2019, 01:35:22 PM
It's time for the semifinals of the CCC tournament and my rather long takes and predictions on what should be two very interesting games tonight. We have #1 Nichols, coming off a first round bye, hosting a rather hot and volatile #5 WNE team tonight at 7:00 PM. My predictions from earlier in the season are finally coming to light, as I saw Endicott falling and WNE rising as the final third of the season came along. Also, I correctly predicted CCC POY and could even be right about the CCC championship depending on the results of the two games tonight. So, it only took me 4 years to finally get a firm grasp on the upward bound CCC. We also have #2 Gordon hosting #3 RWU tonight at 7:00 PM. My comments and predictions can be seen below:

#1 Nichols (23-2, 15-1) vs. #5 WNE (12-14, 8-8), 7:00 PM

Nichols will be well rested after coming off a first round bye in the CCC tournament. They have not played a game in a week, which could be a double-edged sword if they have to shake off some rust in the first half. On the other hand, WNE rolls into Dudley after beating Endicott twice in the past week. Nichols has beaten WNE twice this season, with wins of 99-96 (away) and 83-62 (home). WNE has actually done a pretty good job handling two-time CCC POY Marcos Echevarria, as he only averaged 16.5 ppg in their two games this year. On the other hand, DeAnte Bruton has averaged 21.5 ppg against WNE this year and will undoubtedly be the leader of the Nichols team next season given Echevarria's impending graduation. WNEs real issue has been handling the Nichols' big men, specifically Matt Morrow and Jerome Cunningham, as the two have combined to score 21.5 ppg and grab 20.5 rbpg in two games against WNE this year. Sophomore big man, Zach Tavitian, will have to do a better job battling them on the glass and also produce on the offensive end if WNE is to pull off the upset. WNE is really going to have to lean on senior guard and 1st Team All-CCC player, Mikey Pettway, who is coming off a 34 point game against Endicott. Pettway has averaged 17.5 ppg, 4 rbpg, 2.5 apg, and 1 spg against Nichols this year. WNE will also need production from their two 3 point shooters who are often overlooked. I can see junior guard, Mike McGuire, having a big performance tonight if WNE is to advance to the CCC championship. I should also mention WNE freshman guard, Antonio Brancato, who has averaged 15.5 ppg against Nichols this season. However, it seems as if teams have figured the freshman out for the time being as he has only scored in the double digits once in the past seven games. In regards to game flow, I see Nichols coming out a bit overconfident and slow, taking a couple point lead or even being down by a few at halftime. Then, I expect to see the talented backcourt of Nichols to take over and slowly pull away from WNE in the second half, fueled by the what I expect to be rather large home crowd attendance to the game. WNE has shown they have the ability to play with Nichols, but I still can't ignore the fact that they average almost 16 less points away from home, even after their first round upset over Endicott. But who am I kidding, I would love to see WNE knock off Nichols so my RWU Hawks get a home game for the CCC championship. Spoiler alert at who I'm predicting to win the other game.

Prediction: Nichols 87 WNE 73

#2 Gordon (22-4, 13-3) vs. #3 RWU (15-11, 11-5), 7:00 PM

This game is going to be an outright battle for who will move on to the CCC championship. RWU has to win the CCC Championship to get an NCAA tournament bid and Gordon would likely become a bubble-out team if they lose tonight. Before I get into the game, I want to congratulate senior swingman, Austin Coene of RWU, for being selected as CCC POY. It is well deserved and I'm hoping this results in him being considered for an All-American selection at the conclusion of the season. Additionally, I wanted to touch on the fact that Garrisson Duvivier of Gordon was robbed of 1st Team All-CCC honors. He had an outstanding season this year, as he led the CCC in rebounds and blocks while still averaging 18.5 ppg. Also, he is now only 23 points away from becoming the all-time leading scorer in Gordon Men's Basketball history. Keep that on your radar in what could be the final game of his career if things don't go Gordon's way tonight. Gordon has bested RWU twice this season, winning 94-91 in OT (home) and 103-94 (away). I usually never blame officials for the result of a game, but RWU was subjected to some of the worst officiating I've seen in their OT loss to Gordon. I've expanded upon this in an earlier post from this year, but the series really should be at 1-1 this season, not that it matters at this point in time. RWU is undoubtedly going to need a huge game from CCC POY, Austin Coene, who has averaged almost a triple double against Gordon this year, putting up 34.5 ppg, 9 rbpg, 7.5 apg, and 1.5 spg. However, Coene did take a ridiculous amount of shots in their last game, going 15-36 from the field. I don't think he will need to shoot as much tonight and I predict he will be around 20-25 FGA. Gordon plays a high pressure zone defense and I think Coene will have to continue facilitating on drive and kicks if RWU is going to pull this one out. RWU has been on fire from outside in the last four games, shooting 47-93 (515) from deep. If shooters Jake Heaton and Rich Pugliese continue to shoot well, I think RWU has a really good chance of coming out as the victors in this one. The key to getting open 3s against the Gordon zone is to have them collapse on drives by Coene and having him dish to his shooters on the wing or in the corner. I also want to give a shout out to sophomore big man, Drew Hart, who earned 3rd Team All-CCC distinction this year. He will take on the daunting task of matching up with Duvivier tonight. Sophomore JJ Pfohl will continue to take the reigns as RWUs floor general and a solid defender, although I would not expect him to take on Demers defensively tonight. Speaking of Demers, he has averaged 35.5 ppg, 4.5 rbpg, 4 apg, and 2.5 spg in two games vs RWU this year. He will likely be defended by RWUs Jake Heaton tonight, in what should be a great battle between these two. If Demers continues having his way against RWU, I wouldn't be surprised to see Gordon advance to the CCC championship. Gordon also has a couple of good shooters in Jake Haar and Noah Szilagyi that will need to be watched by RWU. If either of them scores above 15 points, I really don't like RWUs odds in this one. Garrisson Duvivier has averaged 28.5 ppg, 13 rbpg, 2.5 apg, 2 spg, and 4 bpg against RWU this year. This is not surprising whatsoever, as RWU has struggled to contain big men all year. They have actually done pretty well against the 6' 11" center, Parker Omslaer, keeping him at bay with 6 ppg, 7.5 rbpg, and 2.5 bpg in two games this year. Of note, RWU has gone into halftime with 9 point leads in both games against Gordon this year. RWU has really struggled as a team in the second half this season, which has cost them multiple games. If that is again the case tonight, look for them to come out with energy, a strong defensive mindset, and looking to control the pace of the game in the second half as it is do-or-die time for the Hawks. With respect to game flow, I would expect the Hawks to come out strong away from home and build up a 5-10 point lead by half time. Gordon will make their run in the second half and it will really be up to RWUs will power and determination to see if they can pull off the upset against the Scots tonight. I'm expecting huge games from Coene and either Demers/Duvivier, but I would expect one of the latter two to be held below 20 points tonight. I'll be in attendance at this game and if you're in the North Shore area you should consider coming as it will be a good one to see in person. Go Hawks!

Prediction: RWU 91 Gordon 86
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: AllStar on February 24, 2019, 06:05:51 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: middhoops on February 25, 2019, 06:17:59 PM
Nichols squares off against Middlebury in the first round.
We've watched Nichols quite a few games this year, online.  Very impressed.
Two well matched teams playing at a neutral site.
Interested to read comments from CCC fans about Nichols' view of their bracket.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: D3ball1845 on February 27, 2019, 12:17:41 AM
I guess this question was really directed at me as I've been the only consistent CCC poster for the past few years. Like you said, Nichols is a very impressive team and the CCC champion for the third year in a row. They finished 17-1 in CCC play this year, a conference that has finally been given a bit more recognition and respect with the emergence of Gordon College (sadly not selected for the NCAA tournament) and strong teams in Endicott and RWU. My RWU team finished winless against Nichols in the four seasons I've been following them. Nichols is just darn good. Unfortunately for the Northeast, two very strong teams in Middlebury and Nichols will face off in the first round of the NCAA tournament on 03/01.

Nichols is made up of one of the best backcourts in the country in guards Marcos Echevarria and DeAnte Bruton. To be honest, Bruton's success on the court has been overshadowed by Echevarria the past few years, and I'm almost tempted to say that Bruton is the better overall player. Regardless the two are quite a difficult duo to handle. The other starting guard, Nate Tenaglia, has done a good job of replacing sharpshooter Tyler Dion, who transferred to Worcester State this year. Tenaglia is a small wingman that can hit the 3 ball when called upon and might be the best one on one defender on the Bison. That being said, I think this is one of the weak spots of Nichols as they lack a true defensive stalwart that can contain an opposing team's star player. Nichols also has a strong starting front court in Jerome Cunningham and Matt Morrow. Cunningham is a very athletic yet undisciplined big man who sometimes seems to do more talking than playing. Morrow has developed into a very reliable presence down low and is a double double machine. Nichols plays a pick and roll offense, loves to take transition 3s, and typically dictates the pace of the game. If they are hitting their 3s, I truly believe they can beat any team in the country. They play man to man defense and in my four years of following the CCC I have maybe seen them run a zone defense on one occasion. One spot they're also weak in is depth, as they play about an 7-8 man rotation in competitive games. They don't have a single player off the bench who averages more than 6 ppg, demonstrating just how much they've relied on their starters the entire season. This can take a tole on players like Echevarria and Bruton, both of whom have averaged more than 33 mpg this season. If we're really going to nitpick the Bison, we can discuss the scenario where they get cold from deep during a stretch within a game. Unfortunately, they don't have any players who really take the ball to the hoop and get fouled for easy FT attempts. Nichols has only averaged 16.7 FTA per game this year, while they have shot a respectable 73% from the line. Echevarria and Bruton, who combine for over 40 ppg only get to the line 6.6 times a game. I hope this has given you some insight into the Nichols Bison. I'm a big supporter of the CCC and I'm hoping they can make a run in the NCAA tournament!

Getting past Middlebury will be a testament to how good this Nichols team really is. To be honest, I haven't followed Middlebury this year and just know they've had some very competitive games against Endicott in the past couple years. It also seems that Middlebury has been very up and down this season, more recently the latter after being upset by Tufts in the first round of the NESCAC tournament. They'll be coming into this game with over two weeks off. Luckily for them, Nichols is notorious for starting games off slow and is really a second half team. As far as how much of a run I think they can make this tournament, I can see Nichols as a Sweet 16 Team. Second round they'll likely play Rowan, who plays Emerson (NEWMAC Champion - a team that should not be overlooked) in the first round, which is a team I know little to nothing about. If they were to get to the Sweet 16, they'd likely be playing Amherst, who would be hosting at that point in the tournament if I'm not mistaken? Amherst is the hottest team in D3 basketball and with a tournament game at home, I really don't see Nichols coming out on top in that potential matchup. And not to sound cliche, but anything can happen in the NCAA tournament, so I would not be surprised at all to see Middlebury facing off against NESCAC foe Amherst in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: middhoops on February 27, 2019, 08:26:50 AM
Thank you, D3Ball1845.  First rate analysis.
FYI, Middlebury has three scorers.  Two blazing fast soph guards and a very athletic 6-8 forward.  The Panthers are very deep, with at least 10 players making key contributions.
However, they lose games they should win and vice versa.  Beat Williams and Hamilton, lost twice to Tufts.
Nichols will need to prevent Farrell and Bosco from driving to the hoop.  And Nichols' bigs must show up ready for a physical battle. 
If Echevarria and Bruton play their A game, Nichols should prevail.  I've seen Nichols play many times this year and when they're hitting those long transition 3s, they are plain unstoppable.
And you are absolutely correct about Amherst.  Even though they lost a key starter, the Mammoths are still improving game by game.  They have the potential to go a long way.  Plenty of top shelf D3 athletes, a beast in the middle and a phenomenal point guard.  I won't root for them, but I sure admire the team.

And good luck to RWU next season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2019, 09:29:55 AM

The post is where it will be won.  Middlebury will drive to the hoop and they'll be slamming the ball into the bigs.  Cunningham has not ever really shown he can avoid foul trouble, especially in those situations where he's overmatched.  It'll come down to his ability to stay on the floor, in my opinion.  I think Midd can match Nichols in the shooting dept if they have to do so.  It's going to be won or lost in the post.

I haven't seen the numbers, so my perception could be wrong, I'm just not sure Nichols is as efficient under the new coach as they were last year.  Yes, they're missing pieces and a bit depleted, depth-wise, but I'm not sure this system has fully taken root yet.

Echevarria needs seven threes to become the third all time career leader in 3pt made - he's have at least that many attempts.  If he gets the record, I think Nichols has a very good chance to win.  If he's short, it could be a real battle.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: middhoops on February 27, 2019, 04:41:13 PM
Ryan, your observation rings true.  However, senior leadership and Marco Echevarria scare a Middlebury fan.
Midd's bigs are foul prone.
Are Nichols' bigs the same?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2019, 06:47:25 AM
Quote from: middhoops on February 27, 2019, 04:41:13 PM
Ryan, your observation rings true.  However, senior leadership and Marco Echevarria scare a Middlebury fan.
Midd's bigs are foul prone.
Are Nichols' bigs the same?

Cunningham can be, but the bigger issue for Nichols is they really only have two of them.  Just not the same interior depth.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2019, 03:56:12 PM
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Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac1 on April 18, 2019, 08:52:46 AM
Boston Herald superteam member Jalen Echevarria (yes, they are related :)) to Endicott:

https://www.itemlive.com/2019/04/10/st-marys-hoops-star-echevarria-inks-loi-for-endicott/

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 05, 2019, 10:05:24 PM
CCC getting a little bigger: https://www.cccathletics.com/sports/general/2018-19/Releases/SUFAnnouncement
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:23:59 PM
The men's first regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:42:27 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2020, 03:42:09 PM
I originally posted this on the Future of Division III board, Pat Coleman thought this board was more appropriate.

QuoteFirst they came for the Indians. Next the Cancel Culture is coming for the Colonels...

https://whdh.com/news/curry-college-plans-to-replace-colonel-mascot-with-logo/

From the news release...

Quote
"This time in our nation's history in which larger conversations around racism and racial violence, bias, and the true meanings of diversity and inclusion make it important for us to examine institutional norms, not solely in the context of our College's history but also in that of contemporary social and cultural issues," the college said in a statement.

Since namesake Samuel Silas Curry ( and his wife Anna Baright Curry) were famous as elocutionists, and he never was a Colonel, then perhaps one could concede the point.  The wording in the news release is the standard verbiage that we see in Cancel Culture initiatives.  My comment is that the NCAA came down hard on my alma mater for its "Indians" mascot, even though our founder, James Winfred Hunt, grew up on a Kaw Indian reservation where his father was a physician. Not having a sufficient relationship with a Native American nation, such as the Mississippi College Choctaws or the Florida State University Seminoles, McMurry is no longer the "Indians".
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 08, 2020, 08:43:28 AM

ENC was in the CCC a few years back when they made the decision to escape the Crusaders mascot.  I lobbied hard for the school to adopt McMurry's path and go without a mascot moving forward, but the current athletes at the time were overwhelmingly in favor of having something.  They went with Lions.  If that isn't "loving your enemies," I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 09, 2020, 08:07:57 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 08, 2020, 08:43:28 AM

ENC was in the CCC a few years back when they made the decision to escape the Crusaders mascot.  I lobbied hard for the school to adopt McMurry's path and go without a mascot moving forward, but the current athletes at the time were overwhelmingly in favor of having something.  They went with Lions.  If that isn't "loving your enemies," I don't know what is.

My high school didn't have a mascot when I was there, but the next year debuted a brand new one. I completely understand why a mascot helps with team spirit and such. We had a neat nickname they still use (I love it, really), but I get that the mascot allows for a bit more comradre.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 09, 2021, 01:12:34 PM
Anyone know why Tiquan Rucker didn't play for Nichols?
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac1 on November 09, 2021, 01:59:26 PM
He only played a few minutes in the exhibition game before not returning.   I assume he got injured.  I hope not seriously because man he looks fun to watch!
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2021, 09:41:15 PM
So Nichols beat Emerson tonight, 90-80. Nichols was 34-63 from the field...and recorded ZERO assists.

Emerson was 35-79 and recorded just 3 assists.

I wonder if there was ever a game when neither team recorded an assist.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: ronk on November 11, 2021, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2021, 09:41:15 PM
So Nichols beat Emerson tonight, 90-80. Nichols was 34-63 from the field...and recorded ZERO assists.

Emerson was 35-79 and recorded just 3 assists.

I wonder if there was ever a game when neither team recorded an assist.

Sounds like the pickup games I play in where nearly all the guys go 1-on-1 instead of passing and cutting.  ::)
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2022, 11:37:16 AM
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- Meg Barber, #9 NYU women's coach
- Sean Foster, Salve Regina men's coach
- Raul Placeres, #16 Maryville men's coach
- Ryan Scott & Mike Rejniak, Men's Top 25 Double-Take

We will recap the NCAA Convention and hit on some other notes as well.

Again, starting at 1:00 PM ET today. Watch the show here (or On Demand if you missed it): www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan24
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:47:26 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: stlawus on December 31, 2022, 06:48:31 PM
For all the hype Nichols got coming into this season, they're now 6-4 after a loss to 3-6 Albertus Magnus.   
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac1 on December 31, 2022, 08:02:40 PM
I was definitely guilty of being one of the folks hyping Nichols, I figured they would CRUISE in the CCC ... just shows that games are not played on paper, regardless of how many seemingly big-time transfers you bring in.  In watching them, they are just a crazy undisciplined team, at times almost like they aren't coached at all, and seem to have a bunch of individual agendas.  The chemistry does not seem to be there between the transfers and the returning players.  Obviously hurts that Dupree left a pretty thin team after two games and a sign that something might be up beyond the numbers on the stat sheet, as well.

Western New England has been a big surprise in the CCC, they have a really strong top four players, who have been playing together for awhile (two of them for seven years, since they were high school teammates).  All four have two years of eligibility remaining, so if they decide to stick around, this could be the start of a really nice three-year run for this nucleus.   Jake Harrison is one of the best under-the-radar guys in D3, he was a big time player in high school and he is putting up some crazy stats as just a soph ... 17-10-7 on 58/40/78, plus 2 spg and 2 bpg.  Truly does it all. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2023, 07:03:02 AM
Watching on livestream, I watched Western New England come back from down 19 in the first half and down by 15 in the second half to defeat Endicott last night, 82-75.

Jake Harrison led the Golden Bears in the comeback with a game high 27 points on 8-15 shooting from the field, 0-2 from 3 pt range, and 11-15 from the charity stripe in 38 minutes of action.  He also grabbed 8 rebounds and made 5 assists.  Still, he could work on trying to protect the ball a little more-- he did turn the ball over a game high 5 times in the comeback.

Western New England and Roger Williams are now tied for first place at 5-0 in the CCC after last night's action with Western New England scheduled to play at Roger Williams next Tuesday, with the winner getting sole possession of first place-- assuming that both the Golden Bears and the Hawks win their league games on Saturday, which both are favored to do.  WNE plays at Salve Regina tomorrow, while Roger Williams plays at Gordon.

It will be interesting to see if Western New England can win the CCC-- there are a lot of games still left to be played.  However, I currently believe that the Golden Bears are the team to watch in the CCC race.

Before last night's action, here were the net efficiency rating margins per 100 possessions of all of the CCC teams, as computed by Matt Snyder's program:

1.)  WNE-- +18.7 --#34th nationally
2.)  Nichols-- +11.7-- #87th nationally
3.)  Suffolk-- +8.9-- #112 nationally
4.)  Endicott-- +5.1-- #144th nationally
5.)  Roger Williams-- +1.4-- #192nd nationally
6.)  Wentworth-- +0.8-- #197th nationally
7.)  Gordon-- -1.8-- #231st nationally
8.)  Salve Regina-- -3.0-- #248th nationally
9.)  Curry-- -23.2-- #401st nationally
10.)  UNE-- -26.4-- #404th nationally
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2023, 01:41:23 PM
I wouldn't be too harsh on Harrison and his turnovers. He still has a 72-42 assist to TO ratio. He also leads the team in scoring, rebounding and steals.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: nescac1 on January 06, 2023, 02:16:10 PM
Yeah, regarding Harrison, last night he also stole the ball with brilliant anticipation of a pass and then went coast to coast, hitting a difficult contested layup to to secure the win for WNEC in the last minute of the game.  He is already one of the better players in New England, and only a sophomore.  A big time steal in recruiting for WNEC. 
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: warriorcat on January 10, 2023, 10:25:39 AM
It should be an interesting night in the CCC.

Western New England 6-0 vs Roger Williams 6-0

Endicott  5-1 vs Nichols 4-2
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2023, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 10, 2023, 10:25:39 AM
It should be an interesting night in the CCC.

Western New England 6-0 vs Roger Williams 6-0

Endicott  5-1 vs Nichols 4-2

I will be watching Western New England vs Roger Williams on livestream tonight and check the other game for the boxscore.

I am hoping that the Golden Bears get the road victory tonight at RWU and take the sole lead in the CCC standings.   Many years ago, WNE head coach Colin Tabb was on the Brandeis staff when the Judges made the NCAA tournament and had to play in Providence vs Trinity (CT), who had Colin's brother Sean on their coaching staff.   Sean Tabb then was on the Brandeis staff for many years, and now he just became the boys high school basketball coach at Middlesex School (ISL-- Concord, MA) this season.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2023, 10:06:59 PM
Final scores today--

Western New England 89, Roger Williams 86 (OT)-- Game was in Bristol, RI.

Golden Bears are now in sole possession of first place in the CCC with a 7-0 record in league play after the hard-fought road win at RWU tonight and 11 games left to play until the conference tournament.

Game was tied at 78-78 at end of regulation-- Roger Williams led 42-41 at halftime.

Game had 10 ties and 14 lead changes

Largest lead for RWU was 7 points at 22-15 with 11:41 to go in first half.

Largest lead for WNE was 6 points at 86-80 with 2:12 to go in the first overtime period.

Golden Bears sealed the win on a defensive stop-- Roger Williams had the ball and a chance to tie the game again and send it to a second overtime with 9 seconds left in the first overtime period.

For Western New England:

Jake Harrison-- Team high 18 points,  Game high 20 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals before fouling out with 25 seconds left in the overtime period.

Tim Restall led the Golden Bears with a team high 22 points and 8 rebounds before fouling out with 1:33 left in the overtime peri

Gavin Greene-- 17 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists

Brian Geitner-- 15 points

For Roger Williams--

Mac Annus had a game high 26 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals to lead the Hawks in the scoring category.

Ty Higgins-- 14 points

Max Manjos-- 11 points

John Ah Kao-- 10 points.

Leading rebounder for RWU was Will MacDonald with 7 boards.

Leading in assists for RWU was Nate Lopes with 3 assists.

The other final from Dudley, MA today was:

Nichols 77, Endicott 68 in regulation.

Endicott and Nichols are now tied in third place in the CCC standings with both teams at 5-2 in league play-- 2 games behind the Golden Bears in the standings.

Roger Williams is one game back of WNE at 6-1 in conference play.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2023, 10:17:16 PM
Western New England hosts the return fixture vs Roger Williams on February 1.

Games remaining for both WNE and RWU in the first half of the double round robin before the clubhouse turn occurs on Saturday, January 21--

For WNE--

1/14-- Home vs Curry
1/18-- Home vs Gordon

For RWU--

1/14-- Road game at Endicott
1/18-- Home vs Wentworth
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2023, 04:56:57 AM
I just started rewatching the WNE at Roger Williams game from last night on-demand this morning.  I fell asleep during most of the livestream last night, but caught the final 2 minutes of the overtime period.

No Play by play commentary on this one-- just a llve court mic instead.

Somehow, there was a clue that this game could get officiated tightly when the first foul of the game was a technical foul called on WNE's Jake Harrison with 16:12 left in the first half.  From what I saw in the video, it looked like Jake Harrison flopped in the back court and got the tech for flopping, and I heard one young RWU supporter cheer when Jake Harrison got "t"'d up. Seems that the WNE and RWU fans at the game had no love lost for each other during last night's play, because they were so intent on wanting their respective sides to take possession of the overall conference lead.

With that said, I will get back to watching the replay....

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2023, 05:50:47 AM
I am now at the halftime on replay, and was just checking the final boxscore for the complete game--

In the first half, Western New England scored 41 pts on a 59/80/75 shooting split.  (17-29 from the field, 4-5 from 3 pt range, and 3-4 from the FT line.)

Roger Williams in the first half scored 42 pts on a 45/33/80 shooting split (15-33 from the field, 8-24 from 3 pt range, and 4-5 from the FT line.)

In the second half, Western New England scored 37 pts on a 39/0/61 shooting split (13-33 from the field, 0-6 from 3 pt range, and 11-18 from the FT line.)

Roger Williams in the second half scored 36 pts on a 45/31/100 shooting split (14-31 from the field, 4-13 from 3 pt range, and a perfect 4-4 from the FT line.)

In the overtime period, Western New England scored 11 pts on a 63/0/25 shooting split (5-8 from the field, no 3 pt attempts, and 1-4 from the FT line.)

Roger Willams in the OT period scored 8 pts, all from the FT line on a 0/0/89 shooting split (0-3 from the field, 0-2 from 3 pt range, 8-9 from the FT line.)

Final ended up WNE 89, RWU 86 in overtime.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2023, 07:21:07 AM
I just finished watching the replay of the stream of WNE at Roger Williams;

Just a reminder-- There was no play by play nor color commentary of this game.   Just a live court mic.

(1) With 1:06 left in the overtime period, I hear someone in the crowd, presumably a Roger Williams supporter, yell "T him up!"  I would certainly like to find out what is going on in that scene. It happened when Brian Geitner of WNE was called for a foul.  The video does not make it clear what is going on in the picture.   If this was the late British comedy panel show "Mock the Week", I would ask the panelists to caption that scene.  It would be very funny.

(2)  The most frustrating part of the stream occurred when the live court mic was turned off during the final timeout with 9 seconds left in the OT period and the mic was not turned back on.   The last 9 seconds of the game played out like a silent movie.

Anyway, a nice hard fought win on the road at Roger Williams last night, and the WNE Golden Bears are solely atop the CCC standings after 7 conference games with 11 games left to play until the CCC tournament.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2023, 10:05:46 PM
CCC Conference race update--

Final from Boston, MA--

Wentworth 71, Western New England 66-- Home underdog pulls off upset and wins outright.

Going into tonight's contest, Wentworth had a 25% chance to win this game and was a +7.5 point home underdog, courtesy of Matt Snyder's D3 efficiency ratings system:

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html  (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

Predicted scoreline tonight was WNE 74, Wentworth 67; the predicted tempo was 71 possessions per team, and the predicted over/under total was 141.5

Actual game total tonight was 137-- Under wins that one.  Game tempo played as predicted.

In other CCC action tonight-- home team listed first

1.)  Nichols 86, Curry 68-- Nichols goes to 9-2 in the CCC and moves to within 1 game of WNE in the standings.
2.)  Roger Williams 63, Suffolk 78-- Roger Williams drops to 8-3 in the CCC and stays 2 games back of WNE.

There are 7 games left to play until the Commonwealth Coast Conference tournament.

Saturday's contest in Springfield between host WNE and Nichols at 3 PM Eastern will either determine if WNE can get their 2 game lead back over the other CCC teams, or if there will be a tie for first place in the CCC standings.

Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 26, 2023, 09:26:28 AM
Nichols is looking pretty good lately. They really seem to be clicking now. Huge game Saturday at W NE. The Golden Bears took the 1st meeting at Nichols, but Matt Alectus didn't play that game.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2023, 10:35:43 PM
CCC conference race update--

Final earlier today from the Alumni Healthful Living Center in Springfield, MA--

(Host team listed first)--  WNE 81, Nichols 83  (OT).   Game was tied at 71-71 at end of regulation, and needed 5 minutes of overtime to determine a final score.

The predicted scoreline for this game coming into today, courtesy of Matt Snyder's D3 net efficiency rating system:

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html  (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

WNE 83, Nichols 80

WNE came into this game with a 62% chance to win and was a -3.5 point home favorite.  The predicted pace of the game was 81 possessions per team, and the predicted over/under total was 163.5.

Actual results:  Road underdog Nichols won the game outright.    Nichols had 81 possessions in the win, but needed an overtime period to get some of these possessions, so the game tempo was slower than predicted.  In the end, the over barely prevailed, but had the game ended in regulation, under would have won on the total.

Major hightlight of the game--

Nichols's leading scorer Matthew Alectus proved to be a game changer in the overtime period, but the game winner was scored by a driving coast to coast layup by Nichols senior Quincy Ferebee with 0.5 seconds left in the overtime period.

New state of the CCC race, with 6 games left to play until the CCC tournament.

Currently, we have a tie for first place between CCC co-leaders Nichols and WNE at 10-2 in the standings.  Roger Williams is in third place at 9-3 in the CCC, 1 game behind the co-leaders.   Standing currently at the #4 spot is Endicott at 8-4 in the CCC, 2 games back.

The rest of the CCC tournament field, if the tournament was to start today, is Suffolk in the #5 spot at 7-5 in the CCC, Wentworth in the #6 spot at 6-6 in the CCC, Salve Regina at #7 at 5-7 in the CCC, and Gordon at #8 spot at 3-9 in the CCC.

Curry and U. New England currently would not qualify for the CCC tournament, they being at #9 and #10 respectively.

At the moment, WNE still has the #1 seed in the CCC tournament based on the second tiebreaker, which is current head-to-head results between the co-leaders and the subsequent CCC teams in the rankings from first to last until a tie is broken.   WNE breaks the tie with a road win in overtime over the current third place team Roger Williams, while Nichols lost by 20 points earlier this season when it hosted Roger Williams.

Next up-- Wednesday, Feb. 1, 2023-- 7:30 PM Eastern

1.)  Roger Williams at Western New England
2.)  Nichols at Endicott



Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 01, 2023, 09:22:50 PM
CCC conference race update--

Western New England defeated Roger Williams tonight, 89-78, and improves to 11-2 in the CCC with 5 games to play before the CCC tournament.

Since WNE has now swept their series vs Roger Williams, the Golden Bears currently have the tiebreaker for the #1 seed in the CCC tournament (Roger Williams has already defeated Nichols this season) as long as Roger Williams finishes above Wentworth in the CCC standings.

Nichols is leading at Endicott, 79-74, with 2:53 to go.  If results hold, Nichols will maintain a first place tie in the CCC standings with WNE at 11-2 in the CCC.   Roger Williams will be in third place at 2 games behind the CCC co-leaders, with Endicott in 4th place at 3 games behind the CCC co-leaders with 5 games left before the CCC tournament.

Final-- Nichols 93, Endicott 78 from Beverly, MA.   Nichols remains in a first place tie with WNE with 5 games remaining before the CCC tournament.

Next up-- Games scheduled for Saturday, February 4, 2023, however extreme cold with a wind chill warning is in the forecast for Saturday.  Temperatures expected to be below zero in Massachusetts on Saturday.

1.)  Western New England at Curry
2.)  Suffolk at Nichols
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2023, 07:29:38 PM
CCC conference race update--

Final from Beverly, MA--  Endicott 87, Western New England 85 (OT).   Western New England drops to 12-3 in the CCC, 1/2 game behind Nichols.

Nichols can take sole possession of first place in the CCC tonight with a 1 game lead over the Golden Bears with 3 games remaining if they defeat Wentworth this evening.   Tip is coming in a few minutes from Dudley, MA.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2023, 09:29:01 PM
CCC conference race update--

Final from Dudley, MA-- Nichols 82, Wentworth 70

Nichols has now taken sole possession of first place in the CCC at 13-2 in the CCC, 17-5 overall.

Western New England is now in second place in the CCC at 12-3 in the CCC, 16-5 overall. (WNE has a non-conference game at Pratt on Thursday.)

There are 3 games left to play before the CCC tournament, and here are the remaining games for the top 2 teams in the CCC:

Saturday, Feb. 11, 2023-- 3 PM Eastern tip.

1.)  University of New England at Nichols
2.)  Salve Regina at Western New England

Wednesday, Feb. 15, 2023-- 7:30 PM Eastern tip

1.)  Nichols at Salve Regina
2.)  Suffolk at Western New England

Saturday, Feb. 18, 2023-- 3 PM Eastern tip.

1.)  Nichols at Roger Williams-- That game may determine the #1 seed in the CCC tournament, as Nichols will most likely need  to win all 3 of their remaining games to keep the #1 seed.

2.)  Western New England at Gordon
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2023, 05:21:13 PM
CCC conference race update--

Finals-- Saturday, Feb. 11, 2023

Nichols 104, UNE 80-- Nichols improves to 18-5, 14-2 in the CCC

WNE 82, Salve Regina 67-- WNE improves to 18-5, 13-3 in the CCC

Nichols maintains their 1 game lead in the CCC with 2 games left.   Nichols can clinch the #1 seed in the CCC tournament by winning out their remaining 2 games.

CCC action resumes on Wednesday, Feb. 15
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2023, 10:04:56 PM
CCC conference race update--

Wednesday, February 15, 2023

Finals this evening--

1.)  In Newport, RI-- Nichols 102, Salve Regina 72
2.)  In Springfield, MA-- WNE 79, Suffolk 70

Nichols improves to 15-2 in the CCC, 19-5 overall with 1 game left to play until the CCC tourney-- Remains in first place with a 1 game lead over Western New England.

WNE improves to 14-3 in the CCC, 19-5 overall with 1 game left to play until the CCC.

Nichols can clinch the #1 seed in the CCC tournament outright with a victory on Saturday at Roger Williams.

Nichols has not yet clinched the #1 seed on tiebreakers, but has a tiebreaker advantage in the CCC's second tiebreaker by virtue of going 2-0 vs current third place team Endicott, while WNE went 1-1 vs Endicott this season.

On Saturday, Nichols can clinch the #1 seed in the CCC men's tournament under any one of the following 3 scenarios:

1.)  Nichols wins at Roger Williams, (Nichols clinches outright), or

2.)  WNE loses at Gordon (Nichols clinches outright), or

3.)   Endicott defeats Salve Regina-- If Endicott wins on Saturday, the Gulls would clinch the #3 seed in the CCC tournament outright and Nichols would clinch the #1 seed on the second tiebreaker if tied for first with Western New England in the standings after Saturday.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 16, 2023, 10:59:13 AM
Good work. Thanks. Nichols is killing it lately. Getting hot at the right time after some early season losses.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2023, 03:48:08 PM
Halftime in CCC men's action for the last day of CCC play before the conference tournament--

At Bristol, RI-- Nichols 49, Roger Williams 41.     Nichols would clinch the #1 seed in the CCC tournament if this scoreline holds.

At Wenham, MA--  WNE 36, Gordon 35

At Beverly, MA-- Salve Regina 34, Endicott 28
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2023, 04:38:39 PM
CCC conference race update--

Final from Beverly, MA-- Endicott 69, Salve Regina 58

With that Endicott win, Endicott has clinched the #3 seed in the CCC men's tournament.

Nichols has now clinched the #1 seed with this Endicott win today, but the other 2 games are going Nichols's way, with Nichols leading over Roger Williams, and Gordon leading over Western New England.

Updates--

Final from Bristol, RI-- Nichols 88, Roger Williams 71.   Nichols clinches the #1 seed outright and finishes 2 games ahead of Western New England in the final conference standings, because.....

Final from Wenham, MA-- Gordon 78, Western New England 72.

Gordon will still remain the #8 seed in the CCC tournament and will travel to Nichols for a quarterfinal game on Tuesday.

Eliminated from postseason:  Curry, U. of New England.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2023, 05:02:54 PM
Final standings by conference record and seeding tiebreakers, if any:

1.)  Nichols-- 16-2 in CCC
2.)  WNE-- 14-4 in CCC
3.)  Endicott-- 12-6 in CCC
T-4.)  Wentworth-- 11-7 in CCC (Wentworth gets #4 seed by virtue of 1-1 split vs #2 WNE vs Suffolk's 0-2 vs WNE).
T-4.)  Suffolk-- 11-7 in CCC (Suffolk gets #5 seed)
6.)  Roger Williams-- 10-8 in CCC
7.)  Salve Regina-- 7-11 in CCC
8.)  Gordon-- 6-12 in CCC.

Eliminated from CCC postseason:

9.)  Curry-- 3-15 in CCC
10.)  U. New England-- 0-18 in CCC.

Tuesday's CCC quarterfinals:

#8 Gordon at #1 Nichols
#7 Salve Regina at #2 Western New England
#6 Roger Williams at #3 Endicott
#5 Suffolk at #4 Wentworth
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 24, 2023, 10:10:16 AM
Nichols v W NE for the title. Best two teams in the league. To say Nichols is hitting their stride may be an understatement. 16 in a row and only 4 within single digits. Last loss was to...W NE at the beginning of the year. W NE is 7-2 after back to back losses at the end of January. They split with Nichols during the regular season. I gotta take the hot team, Nichols in a close one.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 21, 2023, 11:44:56 AM
Nichols has Alectus listed as a grad student with Dottin and Ferebee as seniors. Curious if any are returning. W. Connecticut doesn't have anyone in their top 8 listed as seniors. Echeveria is listed as a senior for Endicott in addition to 3 grad students. I guessing Nichols isn't going D2 next year.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 23, 2023, 07:43:40 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 21, 2023, 11:44:56 AM
Nichols has Alectus listed as a grad student with Dottin and Ferebee as seniors. Curious if any are returning. W. Connecticut doesn't have anyone in their top 8 listed as seniors. Echeveria is listed as a senior for Endicott in addition to 3 grad students. I guessing Nichols isn't going D2 next year.

All three of those guys have exhausted eligibility.
Title: Re: Commonwealth Coast Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 17, 2023, 08:40:06 AM
This interview may interest folks on this page:

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2023/05/atn-aaron-toomey-hartford