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Title: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2005, 02:35:48 AM
Thought I'd start an official survivor pool this year.  I remember someone having a pseudo pool last year that also involved who would be the last team to win a game, let alone lose a game.

So, here it is.  The rules are simple.  Pick a team that you think will be the last team to lose a game, any game, against any opponent, in any division, even NAIA.  A loss is a loss is a loss (excluding exibitions).  If need be, this will, of course, go into the post season.

I guess that's the only rule of this pool.  Any questions? 

Feel free to post your team and I'll try to keep track of everything...hopefully some posters will help me with who loses.  If you want to post a team that you think will be the last to WIN a game, feel free, but someone else can keep track of that!  ;D

OBVIOUSLY ALL PICKS ARE DUE BY THE FIRST GAME OF THE REGULAR SEASON, WHICH, I BELIEVE, IS FRIDAY.   

Any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2005, 03:50:35 AM
I'll pick UW-Whitewater.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2005, 07:13:46 AM
Once again, I will start tracking both ends of the spectrum this year in mid December when the respective pools become a manageable size.  Will use this room to post updates - thanks OS
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 16, 2005, 07:28:35 AM
I'll grab Final Four participant York.  Maybe it was an accident.  I'll bet that it wasn't.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2005, 09:15:01 AM
I'll pick Illinois Wesleyan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 16, 2005, 10:20:04 AM
My selection is Bethany (WVa). 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2005, 11:16:54 AM

I'll go out on a limb with Mississippi College.


IWU would be the obvious pick and someone already snatched them up.  I like Puget Sound and Hanover as alternatives, but both play IWU this year pretty early on, so that seems risky.  Fisk is a bit scary for MC, but hey, there's no money on this... right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
You can pick a team that's already been selected.  It's not a draft.  ::)

There's no money on it.  But maybe someone can throw in two final four tickets for the winner...ummm.   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: joe smith on November 16, 2005, 02:28:42 PM
I'll also select Bethany College, WV.  They get past their first 2 tournys and NAIA Wheeling Jesuit then they'll be cruising.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on November 16, 2005, 02:44:13 PM
UWWW for me

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: joe smith on November 16, 2005, 02:47:46 PM
Correction d2 Wheeling Jesuit.  They have 2 tough tourneys in Adrian and perhaps a championship game with CMU at the CMU tourny.  Then go to d2 Wheeling Jesuit who made it to the conference championship last year.  After that they should win everything.  Maybe not a great pick to stay unbeaten but i'll stay with them anyway.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: titanfan on November 16, 2005, 03:11:17 PM
I'll take Amherst.  Their schedule doesn't look too bad early on.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2005, 03:47:45 PM

I'm not sold on Amherst for some reason I can't explain, but if they can get by Springfield you probably have a winner there.


I'm still jumping the MC bandwagon... maybe I can contact the SID and convince him to lie if they lose.  They are so far away from everybody else, we might not notice.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2005, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 16, 2005, 09:15:01 AM
I'll pick Illinois Wesleyan.

Careful, Smed, they have one helluva non-conference schedule, then a round-robin in the CCIW - getting a defeat early would NOT be a surprise. 

On the other hand, they hung right with d1 national runner-up Illinois 'til their big men fouled out - IF they had had Cory Jones (their BEST big man, who should be healthy within a few weeks) and IF they had shot FTs as they normally do (instead of missing almost 50%), that game might have gone to the wire!

I think they have about a 10% chance of a PERFECT season (including post-season) - so I'll join your pick!  (But before I fully share it, which one of us is an IWU grad? ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 16, 2005, 11:21:55 PM
College of Wooster
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2005, 11:26:11 PM
Ypsi -

You can take MY alma mater if you want!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 12:18:20 AM
I honestly have no idea!  ???

But, with that said, I'll go with the Engineers of Worcester Polytech!!!  Wahoo!  The shirt is already ordered...  ;D

Not sure how Williams will do this year, but they could play them in Williams' tourney at the beginning of December and then play at Springfield in mid-Jan.  If they can make it until then, I'll have hope!

For the record, last year, I got knocked out in the first week in my NFL survivor pool and this year I got knocked out in the 2nd week (Damn Packers!)...so, obviously I'm not too good at this stuff! lol.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2005, 01:53:39 AM
St. John Fisher.

Their schedule doesn't look any more intimidating than last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: oldpa on November 17, 2005, 01:58:47 AM
I'll take UW Whitewater.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 17, 2005, 06:44:24 AM
OK, I'm a homer, and this probably isn't realistic - but they have this great new arena, and they also haven't lost a game yet  :D

I'll take Hope
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 17, 2005, 07:17:32 AM
i will take hope  they wont loose this week
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on November 17, 2005, 07:57:58 AM
I think Amherst is the most likely team to get it done (though it hurts to say it as an Eph fan).  They play only one tough opponent out of conference, Springfield, and that is at a neutral site.  In conference, almost every tough game -- Trinity, Bates, Bowdoin, Tufts etc., are at home.  The only tough road games are at Williams, and Williams is a little down this year, and at Brandeis, which is not ready to challenge Amherst this season.  Meanwhile, Amherst has far more overall talent and depth on the roster than last year's 2-loss squad.  Combination of stacked roster and ridiculously soft schedule could lead to an undefeated regular season.  How the lack of tough road games will affect them come tournament time is another question, but they likely won't have to worry about that until the final four. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: narch on November 17, 2005, 08:42:26 AM
ramapo

no reasoning behind it other than i wanted to take a team nobody else was taking

my monarchs are NOT a candidate with early games against wooster, home and home vs. maryville, @ vwc, @ d1 appalachian state, a trip to ala to play an naia final 4 team...they could be a very good team and still have 6+ losses before conference play
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Winneconne_Legend on November 17, 2005, 09:08:35 AM
I'm in for Oshkosh....Go TVD Go!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frankiet on November 17, 2005, 09:12:57 AM
I'll take Puget Sound
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 09:28:08 AM
Im gonna go out on a limb and say Wartburg. I know Ill be done soon, but who cares right, this is fun.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kek on November 17, 2005, 09:35:27 AM
Please put me down for UW-Oshkosh.  I know they won't lose this weekend. First game isn't until Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2005, 09:35:58 AM
I hate to break to to you OS, but from what I hear WPI is not nearly the team they appeared to be last year.  I hear reports of more than pathetic performances in the pre-season.  Maybe they're playing possum, but I'm not sure how bright the outlook is.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: baselinejam on November 17, 2005, 09:40:35 AM
I'll take Va Wesleyan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 17, 2005, 11:21:19 AM
I'll stay in my conference, the Empire 8, and go with the 28-1 St. John Fisher Cardinals.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: tommycorn on November 17, 2005, 11:41:07 AM
UST St. Thomas baby!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 17, 2005, 11:46:52 AM
Man, tommycorn just beat me to it. Gotta stay in the MIAC and go with *gulp* the University of St. Thomas.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie_superfan on November 17, 2005, 12:21:38 PM
I will pick Puget Sound for the D3 level, but overall, I pick D2 Virginia Union
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 17, 2005, 12:24:48 PM
St. Thomas opens tomorrow on a neutral court with UW-Stout (a "Super Sleeper," like the Tommies), and if they win that one they'll probably get to play Wooster on their home floor.  That's a gutsy pick!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 17, 2005, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: narch on November 17, 2005, 08:42:26 AM
ramapo

no reasoning behind it other than i wanted to take a team nobody else was taking

my monarchs are NOT a candidate with early games against wooster, home and home vs. maryville, @ vwc, @ d1 appalachian state, a trip to ala to play an naia final 4 team...they could be a very good team and still have 6+ losses before conference play

I was thinking about being a homer and picking NJCU, but I realized that no NJAC team will be able to pull off a long unbeaten streak with conference games starting almost right away for most teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 17, 2005, 12:33:21 PM
Ill take Emory and Henry...GO WASPS
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 12:50:18 PM
Hoops Fan,

I talked to a WPI player when I called and ordered my shirt.  They're only playing at 70%.   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2005, 01:08:11 PM

Granted, I haven't seen them in person, but if my relaible source is at all reliable, that 70% is not going to be enough when it gets to 100%.  I'm scared, especially since they are the #2 team in NE right now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: castle on November 17, 2005, 01:10:13 PM
i take the Zags of Gonzaga...they have some tough non-conference games, but if they can get past them they could go unbeaten.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 17, 2005, 01:13:39 PM
When did Gonzaga become D-3?  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:14:28 PM
Uh, try D3, Castle.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: baselinejam on November 17, 2005, 01:21:54 PM
My 2nd pick is Ramapo.

Tha's a good one ODAC FAN; but what would happen id E&H played Grinnell?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:25:09 PM
Reasons why I picked Worcester Polytechnic Institute:


Other than that, I have no reason to pick them.  I just didn't want to pick a team from a strong, balanced conference with a tough non-conference or in-region schedule.

baselinejam, you get one pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: formerbant10 on November 17, 2005, 01:33:49 PM
As much as I don't like saying it....I'll pick Amherst.  They've had some great starts in the past couple years and should again this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2005, 02:28:25 PM
Hoops fan mentioned them, but I have a vested interest in wanting Mississippi College to lose.

For the Men, MC catches all 3 ASC-West Tri-champs (Sul Ross St, McMurry and Hardin-Simmons) in the Golden Dome and the only non-conference D3 game is Fisk.  Also, they don't go to UT-Tyler until the last game of the season.

For the Women, Randolph Macon College finally meets some competition in the South Region.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 17, 2005, 02:43:55 PM
I think I vill go mit Transylvania.  No reason, zhey have zee best name.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: titansrus on November 17, 2005, 03:15:01 PM
Hail Titans, hail Titans, sons of the mighty of the UWO; GO OSHKOSH!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2005, 04:04:53 PM
What the heck, I'll take a "runner" on the Roadrunners --- Ramapo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 17, 2005, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2005, 04:04:53 PM
What the heck, I'll take a "runner" on the Roadrunners --- Ramapo

I say Ramapo goes down by December 10th at the latest, that is the first game against NJCU in Jersey City.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ccfan69 on November 17, 2005, 04:11:07 PM
UW-Oshkosh
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2005, 04:17:55 PM
Knightstalker - I guess I'll be on pins and needles waiting for that score!!!! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 17, 2005, 04:25:37 PM
Picking an NJAC team to run the table is like picking a WIAC, CCIW or OAC team to run the table.  Very difficult to do because the conference is too competitive most years for an undefeated season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: fpc85 on November 17, 2005, 07:54:20 PM
Amherst college
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Truck on November 17, 2005, 09:00:41 PM
I'll take the Ramapo College Roadrunners from the Atlantic Region/NJAC
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Lefty on November 17, 2005, 09:01:49 PM
I am going with York (PA)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: seahawks on November 17, 2005, 09:05:32 PM
I'll take christopher newport......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augiefan on November 17, 2005, 09:31:30 PM
Illinois Wesleyan's my pick, despite a really difficult pre-conference schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pinna44 on November 17, 2005, 10:14:13 PM
Must stay in conference and go with Amherst.  Wish I could take my Bobcats, but not enough depth.  Maybe get to holiday tourney and Trinity (Tx) undefeated, but not much farther
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ziggy on November 17, 2005, 11:46:28 PM
St John Fisher
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2005, 01:47:53 AM
Quote from: knightstalker on November 17, 2005, 04:25:37 PM
Picking an NJAC team to run the table is like picking a WIAC, CCIW or OAC team to run the table. Very difficult to do because the conference is too competitive most years for an undefeated season.

I agree, and under normal circumstances I'd eschew an NJAC, WIAC, CCIW, or OAC team as my pick in a Survivor Pool in favor of a bully-amidst-the-nerds sort of team such as St. John Fisher. But I made my choice of Wisconsin-Whitewater based upon my gut feeling that nobody in D3 is going to make it through the regular season unscathed, not even a cupcake-muncher like St. John Fisher (which, although it plays in a weak league, has a very tough non-conference matchup with Baldwin-Wallace in their Friday night opener and a possible date with Randolph-Macon looming in the title game of Randy-Mac's tourney on December 19).

With that in mind, I took UWW because: a) they have a very good squad; b) their non-conference slate is very winnable; and c) the really tough portion of their WIAC double round-robin doesn't come until late in the season. I see their first big test coming on January 11 when the Warhawks have to travel to Platteville, and that'll be UWW's thirteenth game of the season.

The only game before then that worries me even a little bit is the road game at UW-LaCrosse on Nov. 30. Still, I expect the Warhawks to be able to handle that one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Denton on November 18, 2005, 06:47:42 AM
.....Bowdoin
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 13wapiti on November 18, 2005, 07:01:18 AM
Another vote for Illinois Wesleyan!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 18, 2005, 09:05:41 AM
Put me down for York College of PA.   Gotta go for the Capital Athletic Conference representative.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: digs on November 18, 2005, 11:20:41 AM
I'd like to go with Cal Tech because it would be the sports story of the Century and it would be about D3 hoops, but my intellect tells me to stay away from that once.  Carthage would be nice -- new mascott and all, but they have a tough early schedule.  UW Stout with 3 seven footers could be interesting, but agian scheduling seems to point to an early loss. 

I think I'll go with Catholic, new Pope and all might help.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: oldpa on November 18, 2005, 11:30:07 AM
If Gonzaga switched to D3, I'd like to change my pick to them, otherwise I will stay with WW.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 18, 2005, 11:58:40 AM
Might be walking out on a limb here.

Ursinus Bears of the Centennial Conference.  Super point guard in Mike McGarvey, experienced role players.  Not an incredibly tough early schedule, either.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Jeremybozz on November 18, 2005, 03:44:06 PM
I will take York (PA).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2005, 11:09:46 PM
According to the WIAC board, Whitewater lost to Loras - there's ONE survivor pick down the tubes on opening night!  (Greg, I understand why 'predictions are not my style'.  ;))

Who will be the next to be 'kicked off the island'?!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2005, 11:13:06 PM
How about St. Thomas, losers to UW-Stout, 91-90 in OT tonight.

Fisher lost, too, to Baldwin-Wallace, 88-79. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2005, 11:34:18 PM
Well, on the bright side, this is now one less room I need to check every night. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2005, 12:10:06 AM
Greg -

I think we're going to post the undefeated and the totally defeated here as well later on.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2005, 12:31:15 AM
Well, Greg need not feel like the Lone Ranger!

If my count is correct, 45 pickers selected 22 teams.  With opening night not even over (though I think Puget Sound is the only selected team not yet accounted for), 12 pickers of 7 different teams have already crashed and burned!

Hey, guys, we were going for SURVIVORS, not virgin sacrifices! ;D ;)

Maybe those who picked Hope, Ramapo, Oshkosh, or Transylvania were on to something - unless I overlooked them, they WEREN'T SCHEDULED!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2005, 01:58:32 AM
Mr. Y    Transy played, and won  -  over Maryville Mo   77-71
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: oldpa on November 19, 2005, 06:38:59 AM
I don't like this game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 19, 2005, 09:40:30 AM
Whoo Hoo, go Impalers, or whatever Transylvania is called.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 19, 2005, 11:50:20 AM
cabs - you're on to me  ;)  I picked Hope with the knowledge that I most likely wouldn't be the first one "off the island" since their opener is tonight.

Go Hope!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2005, 11:57:12 AM
speaking of "off the island"....   go boomer!!!!  He dodges another bullet this past Thursday!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2005, 06:58:17 PM
Last year there was a quite tiresome debate about how high an undefeated but untested team should be ranked - I think it was awfully considerate of St. John Fisher to short-circuit this year's rerun by losing their opening game! ;)

(Of course, that does not guarantee that SOMEONE will not emerge as this year's SJF!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2005, 12:44:28 AM
With finals approaching, I won't be able to keep standings all the time, but I had nothing I preferred to do today!

OUT Yesterday (picker):

Bowdoin (Denton)
Emory and Henry (ODACfan1)
St. John Fisher ("The Roop", buydcrew08, ziggy)
St. Thomas (tommycorn, Willy Wonka)
Ursinus (R.W.McNickels)
Virginia Wesleyan (baselinejam)
UW-Whitewater (Gregory Sager, Coach C, oldpa)

WON yesterday, OUT today:

Bethany (David Collinge, joe smith)
Wartburg (Goose 13)

STILL ALIVE, since they haven't played:

UW-Oshkosh (Winnecon_Legend, kek, titansrus, cctan69)

STILL ALIVE, at 1-0:

Amherst (titanfan, nescac1, formerbant10, ffpc85, pinna44)
Christopher Newport (seahawks)
Hope (Flying Dutch Fan, hope1)
Mississippi College (Hoops Fan, Ralph Turner)
Puget Sound (frankiet, augie_superfan)
Ramapo (narch, hopefan, Truck)
York (cj41, njcu_fan, njlincolnlion, Jeremybozz)

STILL ALIVE, at 2-0:

Catholic (digs)
IWU (smedindy, Mr. Ypsi, augiefan, 13wapiti)
Transylvania (knightstalker)
Wooster (Point Special)
WPI (Old School)

If ANY of the above information is incorrect, PLEASE notify!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2005, 07:06:55 AM
Please add my name to Mississippi College.  I gotta help them lose some way! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2005, 10:19:07 AM
Ypsi  You Credited hoopsfan for Ramapo - I don't know whom he chose, but I chose Ramapo and I'm Hopefan - Hoopsfan is probably some long distant 2nd cousin in the family tree, or maybe we look alike!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 20, 2005, 11:19:38 AM
Bethany loses to Case Western Reserve?  *shakes head sadly*  What a way to be sent off the island!   :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2005, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 20, 2005, 10:19:07 AM
Ypsi  You Credited hoopsfan for Ramapo - I don't know whom he chose, but I chose Ramapo and I'm Hopefan - Hoopsfan is probably some long distant 2nd cousin in the family tree, or maybe we look alike!!!

I had it written down as hopefan, but typing it in past midnight...!  I've corrected the post (and added Ralph to those picking MC).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2005, 11:22:40 PM
Unless I overlooked someone, the only action today was Ramapo (picked by, among others, hopefan!) staying alive at  2-0.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 21, 2005, 12:28:05 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2005, 02:28:25 PM
Hoops fan mentioned them, but I have a vested interest in wanting Mississippi College to lose.

I wasn't aware a vested interest in wanting Miss. College to lose was considered a vote of confidence and a pick for them!  ???

I actually did have you down for them, then deleted it from my table when I re-read your post.  Got a little confused, I guess.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 21, 2005, 02:06:09 AM
Thanks Mr. Ypsi for the help.

Not to be redundant:  Just to double check

Eliminated on Friday

ODACfan-Emory and Henry:  LOST  to John Carroll 137-127

Denton-Bowdoin:  LOST to Babson 71-57

budcrew08-St. John Fisher:  LOST to Baldwin-Wallace 88-79
The Roop-St. John Fisher:  LOST to Baldwin-Wallace 88-79
Ziggy-St. John Fisher:  LOST to Baldwin-Wallace 88-79

Coach C-Whitewater:  LOST to Loras 73-71
Greg Sager-Whitewater:  LOST to Loras 73-71
oldpa-Whitewater:  LOST to Loras 73-71

R.W. McNickels-Ursinus:  LOST to NYU 64-61

tommycorn-St. Thomas:  LOST to Stout 91-90
Willy Wonka-St. Thomas:  LOST to Stout 91-90

baselinejam-Virginia Wesleyan:  LOST to Trinity (TX) 67-64

Lost on Saturday

Goose13-Wartburg:  LOST to Briar Cliff 68-63

Dave Collinge-Bethany (Wva):  LOST to Case Western Reserve 74-73
joe smith-Bethany (Wva):  LOST to Case Western Reserve 74-73

Still Alive

ccfan69-Oshkosh (0-0)
kek-Oshkosh
titansrus-Oshkosh
Winneconne_Legend-Oshkosh

seahawks-Christopher Newport (1-0)

13wapiti-Ill. Wesleyan (1-0)
augiefan-Ill. Wesleyan
Mr. Ypsi-Ill. Wesleyan
smedindy-Ill. Wesleyan

Hoops Fan-Miss. College (1-0)
Ralph Turner-Miss. College

augie_superfan-Puget Sound (1-0)
frankiet-Puget Sound

Flying Dutch Fan-Hope (1-0)
hope1-Hope

hopefan-Ramapo (2-0)
nacrch-Ramapo
Truck-Ramapo

formerbant10-Amherst (2-0)
fpc85-Amherst
nescac1-Amherst
pinna44-Amherst
titanfan-Amherst

digs-Catholic (2-0)

knightstalker-Transylvania (2-0)

PointSpecial-Wooster (2-0)

Old School-Worcester Polytech (2-0)

cj4l-York (PA) (2-0)
Jeremybozz-York (PA)
njcu_fan-York (PA)
njlincolnlion-York (PA)

Hope this is accurate!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2005, 05:24:39 AM
Those of you who read along last year remember we tracked all perfect records through the season - some of us has more fun tracking the winless than following the undefeated.  We gushed over Centenary's "perfect" record, giving them publicity only to be found on this page.  Well, I congradulate them here and now, as they'll get no recognition of that type this year, jumping into the winless wannabe catagory for the year, with a win over Emerson.  Wonder who some of our winless contestants will be this year????   Stay tuned.

Speaking of winless, even if they are ladies, we may have to follow CCNY's team after the performance of this weekend.  To lose their openers by 91 and 112 might be too good to pass up.  How many games can we headline :"CCNY Ladies Show Progress, lose by 80"?????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2005, 08:26:56 AM
There's always Medaille!

Yeah, those CCNY scores were brutal, weren't they.

And then there's the perennial Cal Tech watch for both genders.

The men play BOTH Southwestern and Trinity of Texas. Ralph - can you give us a point spread?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2005, 08:55:52 AM
smedindy, you are so right regarding Caltech... at least the men's side...  They are a leading candidate to go perfect this season.  Last year, they started out with a win early vs Life Bible... well, Life is not on their schedule this year.  In fact, there appears to be no softies on their schdule.  U Dallas, Rivier, or Cornell may be their best opportunities for a win unless one of the SCIAC schools is much weaker than normal.  There were a couple of interesting points on Caltek's site:
They haven't had a win against a D3 team since 1994-95.
They haven't had an SCIAC win sinc 1984-85

WOW!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2005, 10:54:28 AM

It's a women's team, but for those of you who enjoy basking in ultra-mediocritiy check this out.


CCNY Women's Hoops (http://ecgulls.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/112005aac.html).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2005, 10:59:59 AM
Yeah, we mentioned that upthread a bit. Ouch.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 21, 2005, 02:10:56 PM
I don't see the Macalester women's team winning a game either, a year removed from forfeiting the season because they didn't have enough players.  Their scores weren't nearly as bad as CCNY, but they were still pretty brutal.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2005, 06:10:25 PM
Smed, I think that we need to spot Cal Tech the IQ points in each half.


Cal Tech average IQ (160?) + 1st half points + IQ + 2nd half points = TU/Southwestern IQ (140?) + 1st half points + TU/Southwestern IQ + 2nd half points. ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 21, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
Upcoming games for this past weekend's survivors

Oshkosh (0-0)-Tues @ Lawrence, Sat vs. Finlandia
ccfan69
kek
titansrus
Winneconne_Legend

Christopher Newport (1-0)-Tues vs. Virginia Wes, Fri vs. St. Joseph (Vt)
seahawks

Ill. Wesleyan (1-0)-Tues vs. Olivet Nazarene, next Mon vs. St. Xavier
13wapiti
augiefan
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy

Miss. College (1-0)-Mon vs Wesley (Miss), Sat vs Sul Ross State
Hoops Fan
Ralph Turner

Puget Sound (1-0)-Fri vs Warner Pacific, Sat vs. Norwestern Christian
augie_superfan
frankiet

Hope (1-0)-Tues vs. Andrews, Fri vs Aquinas
Flying Dutch Fan
hope1

Ramapo (2-0)- Tues vs. Rutgers-Newark, next Wed vs. Kean
hopefan
nacrch
Truck

Amherst (2-0)-Dec. 2 vs Springfield, Dec. 3 vs. Westfield State
formerbant10
fpc85
nescac1
pinna44
titanfan

Catholic (2-0)-Tues vs. Haverford, Sat. vs. Scranton
digs

Transylvania (2-0)-Sun vs Wittenberg, next Wed vs Otterbein
knightstalker

Wooster (2-0)-Sat vs Methodist, Sun vs Emory and Henry/Thomas More
PointSpecial

Worcester Polytech (2-0)-Tues vs Bridgewater State, Sun vs Salem State
Old School-

York (PA) (2-0)-Tues vs Gettsburg, next Wed vs Goucher
cj4l
Jeremybozz
njcu_fan
njlincolnlion


I should've picked Amherst, they don't play until December!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2005, 07:30:27 PM
OS,

IWU is 2-0.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 21, 2005, 09:22:05 PM
OS - you can add that Hope (based on winning or losing) will also have a game on Sat vs the winner/loser of Calvin v Cornerstone.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2005, 12:02:43 AM
Unless I overlooked someone, the only relevant game tonite was MC (they won by 30).  No changes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2005, 05:07:43 PM
Seven games on tap tonite, several of them toughies:

#1 IWU home to Olivet Nazarene (a perennial NAIA power)
#2 UW-Oshkosh FINALLY opens @ Lawrence (LU has done well in the tourney the last few years, lost a lot to graduation, but still got 24 pts. in the poll)
#6 York home to Gettysburg
Christopher Newport @ #11 Virginia Weleyan
#12 Ramapo home to Rutgers-Newark
#17 WPI home to Bridgewater St.
#25 Catolic home to Haverford

Did I overlook anyone?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2005, 05:19:13 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 21, 2005, 09:22:05 PM
OS - you can add that Hope (based on winning or losing) will also have a game on Sat vs the winner/loser of Calvin v Cornerstone.

Thanks FDF, I did see that, but I just wanted to list the next two games for each team alive.  :)

Mr. Ypsi,

Lawrence did lose some players to graduation, but they still have Chris Braier.  They also return Osland and MacGillis.  The latter didn't start, but was 3rd in scoring and 5th in minutes/game.  And not to be outdone, Lawrence FINALLY opens their season too!  Not that anyone picked them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2005, 05:28:23 PM
OS,

Just a gentle dig at Oshkosh pickers who chose a team that didn't even play until nearly half the pool was eliminated! ;)

Though Amherst pickers may have been even smarter - as long as they won last weekend (and I don't think they were seriously challenged), everyone else has to still be undefeated through their 6th or 7th game before Amherst plays their 3rd! >:(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2005, 05:51:27 PM
uh oh  does this leave a hole in the interpretation of who the winner of this contest is???    By Date, or by number of games won?    Old School, we need an interpretation!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2005, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2005, 05:51:27 PM
uh oh  does this leave a hole in the interpretation of who the winner of this contest is???    By Date, or by number of games won?    Old School, we need an interpretation!!!!

While that question MAY need to be addressed, I submit that the runner(s)up of this contest will not fall before AT LEAST the 15th game!  SOMEBODY will run (or NEARLY run) the table.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2005, 06:14:29 PM
Last time I checked, I believe it's mathematically impossible for two teams to finish unbeaten come the end of the 2005-2006 NCAA season, including post season.   ??? ::) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2005, 07:54:26 PM
OS,

I think you misunderstood his question.  Obviously, two teams cannot finish undefeated (including postseason).  But what if the next-to-last unbeaten falls on Feb 14, with 16 wins, while the final unbeaten goes down 2 days later, having won 15 games?  Who wins the pool: the 16-0 team losing on 2-14, or the 15-0 team losing on 2-16?  One survived longer by the calendar, the other by the number of games.

It is doubtful that the scenario will arise, but it is certainly possible.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 22, 2005, 08:33:31 PM
Now, someone could go unbeaten, but not selected for the tourney if they are a Pool B, or are not eligible for the tourney. THAT can happen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 22, 2005, 10:10:56 PM
Larry U drops #2 Oshkosh in OT, and four more players join us in these shark-infested waters.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2005, 11:25:35 PM
Three more teams went down tonite:

Christopher Newport (goodbye seahawks!)

#2 UW-Oshkosh (adios Winneconne_Legend, kek, titansrus, and cafan69)

#12 Ramapo (TTFN narch, hopefan, and Truck)

IWU, York, WPI, and Catholic won.

By my count, that leaves the four above, plus Amherst, Hope, Mississippi College, Puget Sound, Transylvania, and Wooster.  Corrections?

As fast as we are dropping, I'm wondering if the ultimate winner of the 'pool' might be a school NO ONE picked!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 23, 2005, 12:22:58 AM
Cabs,

I'm not really sure how to prove this (or even if it CAN be proved, because so many variables exist from one game to the next, and a mathematical formula won't figure out the outcome of a basketball game)... but I'd be interested to know how many teams are still alive... and then I'd wonder if it's more probable that one of the other teams is the "survivor" than one of the teams we picked...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2005, 12:37:07 AM
PS,
'
You're working your brain too hard - the teams still alive are those that have not lost a game.  Whether or not the 'winner' of the pool is someone already picked is obviously simply a matter of did the pickers omit someone who actually lasted longer than someone we picked.  The pool winner will be the survivor of THESE picks, even it if turns out that someone else wins out longer.

i.e., I will be a (co)winner if IWU lasts longer than anyone else, even if Va. Wesleyan wins the title, because NO one picked them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2005, 01:49:53 AM
I would love to see a Pool B team go 25-0 and not get a bid in the NCAAs.  I'd love to hear that explanation.

We'll go by date....since we were discussing how Amherst doesn't play again until December and Oshkosh just opened their season tonight, with some teams already playing 2 or 3.  So, date.  Any objections to that?

Oshkosh was lucky to get it into overtime, they were thoroughly outplayed.  My game review (i.e. roasting of Oshkosh) will be found on the WIAC page.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 23, 2005, 02:08:21 AM
OS, this hasn't been the case in basketball (but is has in football), but any Pool B eligible school that DOESN'T recieve a Pool B bid is then thrown in the mix for a Pool C bid (the same way that teams eligible for Pool A automatic qualifiers are that don't recieve the AQ).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2005, 02:36:25 AM
PS,

Yeah, I remember that that happens.  But, my point is that I'd love to see an undefeated team, no matter what pool  :D, NOT get a bid.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2005, 03:02:41 AM
Upcoming games for this past weekend's survivors

Oshkosh-LOST to Lawrence 82-75 OT on Tuesday
ccfan69
kek
titansrus
Winneconne_Legend

Christopher Newport-LOST to Virginia Wesleyan 80-61 on Tuesday
seahawks

Ramapo-LOST to Rutgers-Newark 88-80 on Tuesday
hopefan
nacrch
Truck

Ill. Wesleyan (3-0)-BEAT Olivet Nazarene on Tuesday, next Mon vs. St. Xavier
13wapiti
augiefan
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy

Miss. College (2-0)-BEAT Wesley (Miss) on Monday, Sat vs Sul Ross State
Hoops Fan
Ralph Turner

Worcester Polytech (3-0)- BEAT Bridgewater State on Tuesday, Sun vs Salem State
Old School

York (PA) (3-0) BEAT Gettsburg on Tuesday, next Wed vs Goucher
cj4l
Jeremybozz
njcu_fan
njlincolnlion

Hope (1-0)-Tues vs. Andrews, Fri vs Aquinas
Flying Dutch Fan
hope1

No score from tonight's game vs. Andrews????

Catholic (2-0)-Tues vs. Haverford, Sat. vs. Scranton
digs

I don't see a score posted, but Mr. Ypsi says Catholic won.

Puget Sound (1-0)-Fri vs Warner Pacific, Sat vs. Norwestern Christian
augie_superfan
frankiet

Amherst (2-0)-Dec. 2 vs Springfield, Dec. 3 vs. Westfield State
formerbant10
fpc85
nescac1
pinna44
titanfan

Transylvania (2-0)-Sun vs Wittenberg, next Wed vs Otterbein
knightstalker

Wooster (2-0)-Sat vs Methodist, Sun vs Emory and Henry/Thomas More
PointSpecial



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 23, 2005, 11:08:42 AM
It looks like the Impalers have a couple of tough games coming up, I wonder how long I will last.  If all the teams left standing so far all lose by the start of the second semester do we start again with any unbeaten teams that are left and have a round two.  Of course another good contest would be to pick from the pools of the unbeaten teams and the always beaten teams to see who will keep their streak going the longest.  In other words will the last team standing be one that has no loses or one that has no wins.  I would suggest starting this if desired after the first of the year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 23, 2005, 11:45:22 AM
I have little doubt that you're just continuing a running gag, but just for the sake of accuracy, it's the Transylvania Pioneers.  They have Wittenberg coming to town this weekend, which should be a great game.  Kudos to both Witt and Transy for scheduling such a tough, early-season, in-region game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 23, 2005, 11:50:13 AM
DC, you are correct, it is a running gag.  A few years ago several of us were discussing the proper name for Transylvania.  I believe it was Greg Sager who came up the the name Impalers and it has stuck with me.  What better name for them, possibly the Vlads?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 23, 2005, 12:07:30 PM
I myself do like the Impalers! Of course, I need to stop listening to my Metal Church albums...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 23, 2005, 02:03:48 PM
FYI - Hope won last night over Andrews (first year program)  in a squeaker 103-46
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2005, 04:51:50 AM
A sign of hope?     

Dallas 53   Caltech   44

That may be the 1st single digit loss to a d3 team for Caltech in  quite a while.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 24, 2005, 11:27:58 PM
The mighty Peppermint Patties are still dancing at 3-0.  Fight on, York!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2005, 11:52:26 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2005, 04:51:50 AM
A sign of hope?     

Dallas 53   Caltech   44

That may be the 1st single digit loss to a d3 team for Caltech in  quite a while.

Since 2/16/05 against Whittier. In fact, both games against Whittier were single-digit losses.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 25, 2005, 11:53:42 PM
Hope remains unbeaten - barely

Hope 67
Aquinas (NAIA) 66
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 26, 2005, 12:05:38 AM
FDF beat me to it - Hope is still alive (LOVE the wordplay you can do with Hope!).

While there is still no word from the top-left corner of the country (sorry, Alaska!), I'll assume that Puget will have little trouble with Warner Pacific - presumably no change in the survivor pool.

And I'm going to bed before the PS score will be known.  Several interesting games tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2005, 12:30:35 AM
According to this site, Puget Sound went down 100-93 to Warner Pacific.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augiedad on November 26, 2005, 09:03:30 AM
Warner Pacific is a "receiving votes" NAIA D2 team for anyone that likes to compare D3 and NAIA scores.

http://naia.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/102605aab.html
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2005, 11:16:44 AM
Through Friday, 85 undefeated teams, 89 winless, 7 that havent played yet.   I think we'll forego listing at this point!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 26, 2005, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 26, 2005, 11:16:44 AM
Through Friday, 85 undefeated teams, 89 winless, 7 that havent played yet.   I think we'll forego listing at this point!!!!

I assume you didn't calculate that one team at a time!  Where does one find such a listing?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2005, 06:14:38 PM
in one's data base where all schedules and scores (leading to wins and losses) are recorded    -   yes, we all have our quirks. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 26, 2005, 06:22:25 PM
hopefan,

I stand in awe, and 'applaud' your efforts!

Does this data base contribute to your 'day job', or are you a TRULY obsessed d3 fan? ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 26, 2005, 09:04:21 PM
Catholic, Hope, Mississippi College, and Wooster all won today - no change in the Survivor Pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2005, 09:45:33 PM
Mr Ypsi  -  I best plead the fifth on that one...... ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2005, 09:52:39 AM
Perfect records after Saturday's games  :

74  teams undefeated  (including 5 teams at 5-0....  UW LaCrosse, Nebraska Wesleyan, Roanoke, Rhodes, and Widener)   Each of these teams have currently won more games than the 3 conferences with the slowest starts - the SLIAC, the GNAc, and the President's - each of those conferences has amassed 4 wins to date!   

73 teams are winless
Only one team is up to (or should I say down to) an 0-5  record   ---   Lynchburg

5  teams still haven't played - but will join one of our lists after their first game!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2005, 03:34:24 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 26, 2005, 06:14:38 PM
in one's data base where all schedules and scores (leading to wins and losses) are recorded    -   yes, we all have our quirks. ;)

I nominate hopefan be instantly ungraded to All-American status!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2005, 05:50:57 PM
Transylvania lost to #10 Wittenberg - we're down to 8 teams in the pool.

WPI won; no word yet on Wooster.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2005, 05:56:18 PM
According to the NCAC board, Wooster 'eked out' survival - 150-101 @ E&H!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2005, 01:09:10 PM
I'll get the updated list up tonight after work. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2005, 12:29:43 AM
New and Improved Survivor League

Puget Sound (2-1)-LOST to Warner Pacific 106-77 last Friday
augie_superfan
frankiet

Transylvania-LOST to Wittenberg 62-51 on Sunday
knightstalker

Ill. Wesleyan (4-0)-BEAT St. Xavier on Monday; Sat. at Chicago, Dec. 10 at Washington U.
13wapiti
augiefan
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy

Miss. College (4-0)-BEAT Howard Payne on Monday; Thurs. at Concordia-Austin, Sat. at Mary Hardin-Baylor.
Hoops Fan
Ralph Turner

Worcester Polytech (4-0)- BEAT Salem State; Tues. at Lasell, Fri. vs. Rochester Tech, Sat. vs. Williams or Massachusetts College.
Old School

York (PA) (3-0) Wed vs Goucher
cj4l
Jeremybozz
njcu_fan
njlincolnlion

Hope (4-0)-BEAT Cornerstone on Saturday; Fri. vs. Wheaton, Sat. vs. Carthage.
Flying Dutch Fan
hope1

Catholic (4-0)-BEAT Scranton on Saturday.  Wed. at Mary Washington, Sat. vs. Marymount. 
digs

Amherst (2-0)-Dec. 2 vs Springfield, Dec. 3 vs. Westfield State
formerbant10
fpc85
nescac1
pinna44
titanfan

Wooster (4-0)-BEAT Emory and Henry on Sunday.  Wed. at Denison, Sat. at Earlham.
PointSpecial
Quote
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2005, 01:37:58 AM
St. Xavier is not JUST the #4 ranked team in NAIA D1; they beat d1 UIC, which, in their next game, beat Ga. Tech by about 20.  In all likelihood IWU just beat the best team they will play this year, and beat them by TWENTY points.

I'd still put it at a long shot that IWU will run the table, but I am upgrading the chances of an undefeated National Championship season from 10% to 20%.  It is still NEARLY impossible to go undefeated in the CCIW, but this team will be FAVORED in every game they play (barring MAJOR injuries).

Can we take any comfort from the fact that Title and Titans share the first three letters?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2005, 01:50:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2005, 01:37:58 AM

Can we take any comfort from the fact that Title and Titans share the first three letters?

No.  ;) lol
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2005, 01:52:10 AM
Hey!  It was worth a try!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on November 29, 2005, 02:37:26 AM
just want to second that no!  :D  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2005, 01:00:41 AM
Worcester Polytech wins another!  Wahoo!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2005, 11:23:16 PM
Wooster rolls over Denison by a bunch (34, I think it was) and York won by far more than the final margin (according to the CAC board, Goucher went 19-0 to close the game after York cleared the bench - apparantly York was up 80-45 when the starters left), but Catholic got smoked by Mary Washington.

The pool dwindles to seven:  Amherst, Hope, IWU, Mississippi College, Wooster, WPI, and York.  Who will be next to be 'voted off the island'? :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2005, 03:46:06 AM
I'll keep track of the winners and more importantly the losers, but won't put up the official list until Sunday...

Thanks for your help Mr. Ypsi
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2005, 09:48:55 AM

What happens if the last team to lose is one other than the teams we have picked?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2005, 09:50:06 AM

Specifically I'm thinking Wittenberg for example?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 01, 2005, 09:54:28 AM
I think the winner is the last team to lose of the ones we picked.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2005, 09:56:00 AM

If none of us picked the right team, I don't think any of us deserve to win or claim any sort of title.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2005, 11:14:39 AM
I will start listing ALL perfect records (winning and losing) after this weekend.

Anyone for the heck ot it, interested in having a D3hoops postup bottom 10 poll this season?  If so and if we had 5-10 regular voters, I would be happy to collect the votes and tabulate.  It might be fun.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 01, 2005, 12:37:14 PM
I'm in - when I start doing my power ratings I always get try to list the bottom 10.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2005, 02:32:33 PM
smedindy - FYI  -I was truly hopefan back in the early 80's  -  I'll never forget the NCAA game vs Wabash and MEtzelaars and Merlin Nice  -  Great game, great comeback by Hope, but we couldn't catch 'em.

Ok -  we need more takers on the bottom 10 pollsters - 5 pollsters minimum.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 03:58:39 PM
Let's hold on the bottom 10 poll until January.  I really don't like polls that have so little data upon which to make a decision, especially a tough one like that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2005, 04:23:05 PM

January sounds good.  Old School was going to organize a posters top 25 after the new year, maybe these votes can be included.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 02, 2005, 07:21:31 AM
after last night's games, there are 44 teams undefeated, 46 teams winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2005, 08:32:52 PM
I'll pass on the bottom 10 - unless I can just list CalTech and the various Maritimes 3 or 4 times each, I just don't feel qualified.

I've become aware of how spoiled I am as a CCIW fan - I tend to think of North Park (currently, obviously, with all their national titles!) as REALLY bad (even if they DID give IWU half their conference losses last year), and (in the post-season) even the SLIAC champion as REALLY bad.  I've realized that I have NO conception of what REALLY bad is!

P.S., Mississippi College remained a survivor last night - no word yet tonight.

P.P.S., I WOULD be interested in voting in a posters' TOP 25.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 02, 2005, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2005, 08:32:52 PMI've become aware of how spoiled I am as a CCIW fan - I tend to think of North Park (currently, obviously, with all their national titles!) as REALLY bad (even if they DID give IWU half their conference losses last year)

NPU beat Wesleyan two years ago, Chuck, not last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 02, 2005, 11:34:05 PM
Amherst finally played...and won.  More importantly, my boys, Worcester Polytech won again, barely.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 03, 2005, 10:18:18 AM
I would be interested in doing a bottom ten, we can't forget about Centenary and Rutgers Camden.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2005, 10:23:20 AM
Like Mr. Ypsi, I don't feel I'm qualified to participate in the bottom 10, but don't let me stop the rest of you from doing it!  It's more than likely that I'll put tgether some kind of poster's poll come the new year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 03, 2005, 12:45:50 PM
You and Ypsi are just as qualified as the rest of us!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 06:52:10 PM
From the ASC message board, at UMHB 66, Mississippi College 64!!!!!!!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :) :) ;) 8)

They lost!!!  They lost!!!! :) :) :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;)

(For all of the newbies, McMurry and Mississippi College are arch-rivals.  I was trying my hardest to hex them by picking them in the survival pick'em!) ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2005, 07:14:42 PM
I can't access the scoreboard due to the heavy traffic on d3sports, but that means AT LEAST one more is 'off the island'!  Wooster (by a buzzer-beater in OT) and IWU (by 4) barely stay alive, while Hope won handily.

Anyone have any other relevant results?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2005, 08:33:05 PM
Still can't access the scoreboard, but the NESCAC board has Amherst winning (no score posted).  Was anyone else playing today?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2005, 02:57:45 AM
Worcester Polytech won a huge game at Williams, by 2, I believe.  wheew!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2005, 01:55:53 PM
New and Improved AND UPDATED Survivor League

And then there were SIX

Miss. College-LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor 66-64 on Saturday.
Hoops Fan
Ralph Turner

Catholic-LOST to Mary Washington 87-73 on Wednesday. 
digs

Ill. Wesleyan (5-0)-BEAT Chicago on Saturday, Saturday, Dec. 10 at Washington U; Saturday, Dec. 17 at Illinois College.
13wapiti
augiefan
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy

Worcester Polytech (7-0)- BEAT Williams on Saturday. Thursday, Dec. 8 at Endicott; Saturday, Dec. 10 at Roger Williams
Old School

York (PA) (4-0) beat Goucher on Wednesday; Monday, Dec. 5 at Hood, Wednesday, Dec. 7 at Albright, Saturday, Dec. 10 at Salisbury.
cj4l
Jeremybozz
njcu_fan
njlincolnlion

Hope (6-0)-BEAT Carthage on Saturday. Friday, Dec. 9 vs. Marygrove; Saturday, Dec. 10 vs. Aquinas/Madonna
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hope1

Amherst (4-0)-BEAT Westfield State on Saturday; Tuesday, Dec. 6 vs. Western New England, Saturday, Dec. 10 vs. Worcester State.
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fpc85
nescac1
pinna44
titanfan

Wooster (6-0)-BEAT Earlham on Saturday.  Wednesday, Dec. 7 vs. Oberlin, Saturday, Dec. 10 vs. Wittenberg.
PointSpecial

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 04, 2005, 05:59:42 PM
Old School - Hope has a game at Trinity (Ill - NAIA D2) on Tuesday as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 04, 2005, 09:40:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 06:52:10 PM
(For all of the newbies, McMurry and Mississippi College are arch-rivals.  I was trying my hardest to hex them by picking them in the survival pick'em!) ;D
Ralph, how do schools in Abilene, TX and Clinton, MS (574 miles apart) that in many ways aren't even in the same conference (McM: ASC-W, MC: ASC-E) become archrivals?  ???  Is there some bad blood involved?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2005, 11:10:54 PM
David, MC and McM have been the top basketball programs in the ASC since the formation of the conference.  Former MC Coach Jones (now AD) and McM's Coach Holmes are good rivals.  MC and McM have the most NCAA appearances in the ASC and the most appearances in the post-season tourney and tourney finals.  So, a tourney bid or national/regional ranking has been always on the line directly or indirectly, every time they have played.  Not bad blood, just great rivals!

The ASC was created in 1996 as the NCAA D3 option for intercollegiate athletics in this part of the country.  With the leadership of college presidents from McMurry, Austin College and others, Commissioner Fred Jacoby (one of the finest conference commisioners ever to grace college athletics, e.g. WSUC and the old D1 Southwest Conference), assembled Mississippi College, which was moving up from D2, U Ozarks, and  the members of the NAIA-2 Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Assn (Austin College, U Dallas, Hardin Simmons, Howard Payne, McMurry and Sul Ross State.)

Over the next decade, Commissioner Jacoby brought Texas Lutheran from D2, Louisiana College from the NAIA/NCCAA, saw UT-Dallas add a full range of intercollegiate sports and move from the NAIA, saw UT-Tyler add a full range of intercollegiate sports and move from the NAIA/ USCAA, and brought UMHB, Concordia, Schreiner, LeTourneau and ETBU from the NAIA en masse.

UDallas left after 2000-01.  Most people speculate that they would jump at the invitiation to join the SCAC.  UDallas was not able to get a club football team going in 2003.  That may have been an attempt to attract interest from the SCAC.

The 15-team conference (plus provisional 2007 UT-Tyler) has provided competition and "in-region" games by the use of crossover games between the divisions.  Also, the conference has had enough schools for an AQ in the AQ sports (FB, Hoops, VB, Soccer, Baseball and Softball) even if every one of the 15 schools did not offer a sport.  Yes, we are spread out, but the conference provides access to the playoffs.

My personal desire is for another 4 schools (2 west and 2 east and preferably private schools) to join the conference and then we split into 2 conferences and 2 AQ's.  The moving of Austin College to the SCAC may make that program more competitive. (But,  they will always lose to Trinity.   ;) )  However, the AC loss also means that we are now 5 schools away from that magical number.

D-3 UDallas won't likely come back.  D-3 Rust is too far to the north and east (near Memphis, TN)  and too far west for the GSAC! :(

D2's St Edwards in Austin, Incarnate Word in San Antonio, St Mary's in San Antonio and Abilene Christian (which has won more D2 national championships than anyone except UC-Davis) are not likely to move up to D3.

As one looks at the map of NAIA schools that we might "invite", the mission/vision issue is just one confounding factor.

Texas Wesleyan University in Ft Worth spent one exploratory year moving from D2 (Heartland Conference) thru the ASC back to the scholarship NAIA-1 Red River AC.  I guess they could not imagine life without scholarships on their campus.

Other private schools (NAIA-1) in this broad area include Northwood Institute in Cedar Hill (a southwest Dallas suburb), Southwestern Assemblies in Waxahachie (30 miles south of Dallas) and College of the Southwest in Hobbs NM.  CSW likes NAIA-1.  Houston Baptist sees itself as NAIA-1.

A large corps of HBCU's, namely Wiley College, Texas College, Jarvis Christian College, Paul Quinn College and Huston-Tillotson College, compete in the Red River AC and have active rivalries amongst themselves.  HBCU Langston OK is moving to D2.  Texas A&M International in Laredo is not geographically desirable.   UT-Permian Basin in Midland is exploring D-2 and D-3.  This state school would have numerous close state school rivals in the D2 Lone Star Conference.  Each of these NAIA schools would have to upgrade their programs to match D3 requirements.

As for other NAIA-1 schools, the Texas Panhandle schools of Wayland Baptist (Plainiview) and Lubbock Christian are in the Sooner AC and are closer to Oklahoma than most of the ASC schools.  Football playing Bacone College in Muskogee OK has moved from the junior college ranks, but I think they see NAIA-1 as their model as does John Brown University, Siloam Springs AR, the NAIA-1 reigning basketball champ and football-playing Southern Nazarene OK.

LSU-Shreveport is in the NAIA-1 Gulf Coast AC.  It would need to add numerous sports.  Belhaven in Jackson MS would be a nice addition to the ASC-East.  It has all of the sports necessary, but I believe that they see NAIA-1 as their model.  All of the other GCAC schools are around New Orleans or Mobile, except the HBCU's Tougaloo and William Carey.

NAIA-2 Lyons College in Batesville AR is probably not interested.  They could be a travel partner for Ozarks in a new ASC-East Conference.

There just aren't any more schools.  I cannot imagine the ASC getting the schools necessary to allow the 2 ASC divisions to split into 2 distinct  conferences.  If there were to be a change in rules to allow multiple bids for very large conferences, basically a special case for the ASC, we might get some help on bids.  But I think that Pool C is the way we have to go for extra bids.

(Sorry about the verbosity, but this is a comprehensive assessment of college hoops in this part of the country.  Thanks to all for indulging me.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 04, 2005, 11:46:02 PM
Wow--what an answer!!!   :o :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2005, 12:04:33 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 04, 2005, 11:46:02 PM
Wow--what an answer!!!   :o :D

David,

I was tempted to jump in with my speculation on the answer, but figured I'd defer to Ralph who would KNOW.

They are arch-rivals for the same reason that IWU-Wheaton are now arch-rivals.  For those of my generation, the EVIL ones will always be Millikin (MUCH closer than any other CCIW school - AND always competitive back then), but the COMPETITION nearly every year has been lately (in bball) Wheaton.

Even UM-OSU was beginning to fade a bit towards the end of John Cooper's lack of competitiveness! ;) ;D

(Now if UM doesn't win one pretty soon, it may begin to fade the other way!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2005, 12:44:18 AM
Well, we have Public Enemy #1 (the evil Dannies) - however, Witt is Public Enemy #2 thanks to the NCAC. I think rivalries can spring up anytime conference play makes it spirited.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2005, 01:24:55 PM
Here it is  - The first list of undefeated teams - we are already down to a mere 30  - led by 3 teams from the CCIW and 3 teams from the MWC  -  including "crowd favorite"  Grinnell - uh oh, here we go again  -  and note, the Atlantic region is already wiped out

East   Hamilton
   Keuka
   Potsdam St
   Oswego St
   NYU

GL   Hope
   Wooster
   Wittenberg
   Ohio Northern
   CMU

MA   York Pa
   Widener
   Albright

MW   Illinois Wesleyan
   Augustana
   North Central
   Lawrence
   Grinnell
   Carroll

NE   Gordon
   Plymouth St
   Keene St
   Middlebury
   Amherst
   WPI

S   Maryville Tn
   Hampden Sydney

W   Chapman
   Gustavus Adolphus
   Occidental
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2005, 01:25:31 PM
How many 'defeated' teams are there?

And I think Keuka started the year as one of the 'defeated' ones last season, before righting the ship. Nice turnaround.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2005, 01:31:17 PM
smedindy  whereever there are undeated, there are the winless - 35 remain on this list, with some familiar names from last year - incidently, I noted on today's blog that Medaille, who was perfect last year, won for the first time in at least 30games when they beat LaRoche on Saturday

The WINLESS :

A   Lehman   
   Hunter   
   John Jay   

E   Ithaca   
   D'Youville   

GL   Hiram   
   Oberlin   
   W&J   
   Thomas More   

MA   Goucher   
   Swarthmore   
   Delaware Valley   
   Chestnut Hill   
   Misericordia   
   Immaculata   

MW   Principia   
   Westminster Mo   
   Webster   

NE   Roger Williams   
   East Nazarene   
   Albertus Magnus   
   Daniel Webster   
   Maine Presque Isle   
   Mitchell   
   Thomas   

S   Texas Dallas   
   Schreiner   
   W&L   
   Lynchburg   

W   Cornell   
   Pac Lutheran   
   Caltech   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 01:32:15 PM

Roger Williams actually won their game with Anna Maria Saturday, but they reported in wrong to the website.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 01:36:23 PM

Medaille is the current reigning champion however, currently 0 for their last 29 (including all of last season). 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 01:47:10 PM

And an update on the worst d3 team of all time, the CCNY Women, lost a close one to King's Point 94-29.  CCNY had four players score points, including one in double figures, who more than doubled the total team output from the Endicott game.

Currently for the season, after three games:  CCNY 61 Opponents 329 (that is not a typo).


Those of us on this board live for teams like this, so no, it doesn't matter that they are a women's squad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2005, 01:52:43 PM
Hoops  -  did you note my comment that Medaille won on Saturday?   They no longer can be mentioned in the same breath as our current members   -  only to be looked "down to" as a former perfect season. :D

Thanks for info on Roger Williams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 05, 2005, 02:03:17 PM
Sadly, Centenary has already won a game this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2005, 02:26:07 PM
Ah, well, I would look for Oberlin to be on this list for a l-o-n-g time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 02:37:44 PM

I'm sure that Medaille game was rigged or something.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2005, 04:05:04 PM
The CCNY women I'm watching with interest, much like this boys' HS team in Indiana from Cannelton. They have 13 in the program, and last year they lost their top 7 players from a 2-19 team.

They're 0-5 and have been outscored 393-111. But they have a winnable game against New Harmony, Friday, who lost their last game to Tecumseh 64-15.

OK, enough with that.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 04:17:08 PM

OK so our current leader is Cal Tech at 0-29 since winning the first game last year against what I believe was a junior high squad from Bangalore.

My apologies to Medaille and way to win an actual d3 game.

Caltech must also have the longest d3 only losing streak at 0-70 (and I could only find records back through the 2002-2003 season).

If anyone has further info, it would be interesting to know the last time they beat a d3 opponent.

But before you say it, we all know they are the champions of SAT scores, IQ points and top-secret government clearences.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2005, 05:01:04 PM
The team they beat last year, Life Pacific, went 13-10! They are an NCCAA school.

I found these season records in the old SCIAC web site:

1996-97 3-17 - No info
1997-98 2-21 - They beat Cooper Union and Life Bible (started 2-0!)
1998-99 2-21 - They beat Life Bible and American Indian
1999-00 1-24 - I couldn't access that page
2000-01 2-20 - They beat Life Bible twice
2001-02 2-20 - They beat Cooper Union and Life Bible
2002-03 1-23 - They beat Cooper Union

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2005, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on December 04, 2005, 05:59:42 PM
Old School - Hope has a game at Trinity (Ill - NAIA D2) on Tuesday as well.

Note: That's Trinity Christian College that will be playing Hope on Tuesday, not Trinity International University. Both TCC and TIU are NAIA-2 schools that play in the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference. I'd hate to see people go to north suburban Deerfield to watch a game that's actually going on in south suburban Palos Heights.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 05:48:02 PM

So basically you're telling me there is a good chance Caltech has never actually beaten a Division III school in men's basketball?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2005, 06:45:13 PM
Not since the mid 90's, and who knows before then. Does Caltech have a media guide?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Lefty on December 05, 2005, 07:13:56 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 05, 2005, 06:45:13 PM
Not since the mid 90's, and who knows before then. Does Caltech have a media guide?

I couldn't find one but this is on their website:

QuoteThe 2005-06 Caltech men's basketball season promises to be one of great challenge and opportunity. The blend of experienced players and capable newcomers encourages a guarded optimism as the Techers seek an NCAA Division III win for the first time since the 1994-95 season and a Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SCIAC) victory since 1984-85.

Here is their site:  http://www.athletics.caltech.edu/sports/mbb/mbb.html
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2005, 07:49:23 PM
Well, there you go. They do have a nice size roster of 16.

Oberlin only dressed eight against Wabash.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 05, 2005, 09:35:38 PM
Maryville college 6-0 will run the table
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2005, 11:57:47 PM
If we're including women's teams, I don't see Macalaster winning anytime soon.  They're 0-for and have been outscored 310-112 and have scored over 30 points just once.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2005, 12:26:43 AM
Anyone know why York's game was postponed - snowstorm?

No other relevant games as far as I noticed, though overall unbeatens, Carroll remains (I noticed because their 'victim' was Carthage) - any drop-outs in the unbeaten ranks?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2005, 12:47:25 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on December 05, 2005, 09:35:38 PM
Maryville college 6-0 will run the table

So Maryville (TN) will go 32-0 and win the national championship? Bold declaration. I like your style, Spencer.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on December 06, 2005, 02:24:30 AM
I can think of a whole chat board of green giants on this site which would take offense to that! ::)

maybe he just meant that they would run the table in the "preseason" Greg...  :D

:P

ouch on the cal tech comment... but... but... now cal tech has A fan!  8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2005, 02:47:22 AM
It's different with Maryville (TN). Here's a team that isn't ranked and doesn't appear to be on anyone's radar, representing a program that plays in half a conference, within a region that never gets any love ... a program that has made a living out of being the most respectable member of Pool B, which is a lot like being the only cast member of Blue Collar TV who can identify which one is the salad fork.

Maryville (TN) is a March perennial, but the Scots have only made it as far as the Elite Eight once before (1992). I have no doubt that they will once again be the bully in their too-small-to-matter playpen, the GSAC, but who is going to bank on them doing anything in the big dance? Why, Spencer, apparently. He's got them going all the way to a 32-0 record and a date with the Walnut and Bronze doorstop on March 18 in Salem. I don't care how crazy he is, you gotta love that kind of moxie.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 06, 2005, 04:43:29 AM
Mr. Ypsi,

York declined their game tonight on the chance they might lose.  York plans to avoid any and all games until I win the Survivor Pool.  Go Spartans!

(Is it too late to grab Delaware Valley for the 0-for-the-season pool?)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 07:10:22 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2005, 02:47:22 AM
... a program that has made a living out of being the most respectable member of Pool B, which is a lot like being the only cast member of Blue Collar TV who can identify which one is the salad fork.


:D :D :D Gotta love it, Gregory. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2005, 09:10:20 AM

Pool B is a little better with the LMC thing this year.  They might have moved up to MADTV.  There should actually be four or five decent squads competing for the three spots.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2005, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 06, 2005, 09:10:20 AM
Pool B is a little better with the LMC thing this year.  They might have moved up to MADTV.  There should actually be four or five decent squads competing for the three spots.

The Lake Michigan Conference still gets a Pool A bid.  Dominican switched from the NIIC into the LMC, so LMC's status doesn't change.  The NIIC loses their AQ because they don't have enough schools (6 and needs 7, right?) to earn a Pool A bid.

I'm guessing since Dominican left a conference that had a AQ and went to a conference that has an AQ, their status doesn't change, so if they win the LMC, they would be eligible to get a Pool A bid as the conference winner.  I believe in most sports, they were a provisional member last year.

But, I guess if I take your post the right way, you meant that the teams from the NIIC will boost the Pool B participants.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2005, 01:27:24 PM
I note Misericordia beat Gwynedd last night , falling off our winless list

Current count

30 undefeated, 33  winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2005, 01:49:04 PM
A large number of games for both undefeated and winless teams tonight.

Undefeated teams playing include Hamilton, Witt, CMU, Plymouth, Middlebury, Amherst, and Occidental.

Winless looking to win their way off the list tonite include all 3 CUNY teams (Lehman, Hunter, JJ) Ithaca, D'Youville, Swarthmore, Del Valley, Principia, E Naz, Dan Webster, and Texas Dallas.

I also note that my data base has ignored the newest D3 conference the UMAC.  We can't keep them off our lists... while they contribute no undefeated teams, they swell our winless by 3 ...   Minnesota Morris, Northland, and St. Scholastica - sorry for the oversite.
On a serious note, I recall Minnesota Morris was hit by the tragedy several weeks ago of one of their players being killed in a freak accident... let's root for Morris to get off our list soon..   we ALL respect those guys for playing thru a hard time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 02:37:52 PM
hopefan, IMHO, UT-Dallas is the best winless team in the Country.  They lost at Wabash to IWU by 13 and to Alma by 2, at D-1 UT-Arlington by 10, and at home to 2005 ASC-West Tri-champs McMurry and HSU.

They might get hot at the end of the season and make the ASC post-season tourney.

Guard Martin Salinas hit 20 against UT-Arlington and 40 against McMurry.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 06, 2005, 04:37:32 PM
My new favorite winless team is D'Youville, gotta love a team named after a cadilliac, you know the Sedan D'Youville and the Coupe D'Youville.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 06, 2005, 05:04:17 PM
hopefan---Hope plays Trinity Christian tonight as well.

Your moniker suggests you should have known this.  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2005, 09:59:24 PM
Sac - I was about to be embarrassed, until I looked at the D3hoops scoreboard and note that the game is so far missing from today's schedule - which is what I was looking at when I wrote about the games today... What is it with my favorite team and problems with the D3hoops scoreboard??????

ps will admit I shoulda known anyway!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2005, 06:46:14 AM
All of our undefeated stay that way with the exception of Occidental, who loses to NAIA team Azusa Pacific.  Undefeated number down to 29.

All of our winless who played last night lost, albeit several of them very close. Our winless number stays at 36

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2005, 06:56:56 AM
Are you going to track the alternative categories of "undefeated in D3" and "winless in D3" as well this year, Hopefan? Because, if you're mulling it over, Occidental is a perfect case in point as to why these are useful. Azusa Pacific is the defending national runner-up in NAIA-1 and is currently the #1 team in that division. There are a bunch of D1 teams that wouldn't be able to beat the Cougars. It seems a shame to fully penalize Oxy for the loss -- or, conversely, to reward a team like Caltech for slipping in a win against a non-D3 nonentity such as Life Pacific or Cooper Union -- which is why I like your alternative categories from last season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2005, 09:51:00 AM
Sager, you're killin' me, just killin' me!!!!!

and I thought no one would remember those subsets.

Well I think I might be able to take a look, tho it might not be until the weekend.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2005, 12:14:57 PM
another undefeated bit the dust last night as Gordon lost to Endicott.    Down to 28
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2005, 01:43:33 PM
10 of our 28 undefeateds play tonite, including a battle of the undefeateds with Albright playing York.

Other undefeateds playing are Wooster, Gustavous, Grinnell (vs No 15 Wartburg), Augustana, Hampden Sidney, Chapman, Keuka, and Maryville Tenn.

In a battle of the winless, Ralph is predictng Texas Dallas ove Schreiner.

other winless playing are Oberlin, Lynchburg, Hiram, Cornell, Immaculata, Maine Presque Isle, and Washington&Lee
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 07, 2005, 11:08:40 PM
Whew, I'm still alive with Wooster... another squeaker, C.O.W. slips by Oberlin 112-53

Oberlin manages to keep their streak alive as well.

In other news... York beat Albright by 17, so the... Yorkies... stay on the list and the... Albies... are dropped.


Speaking of being dropped... St. Thomas drops Gustavus Adolphus from a second story window and annihilates the Gusties (I KNOW I've got that one right!) 87-51.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 11:35:04 PM
UT-Dallas 57, Schreiner 55.

http://athletics.schreiner.edu/MHoops/MBKBSchedule.htm

This does not seem to be the same UT-Dallas team that I saw play McMurry over Thanskgiving or contend with IWU during the opening weekend.

Schreiner's best chance at a win for a month will be Dec 14th at Austin College.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 07, 2005, 11:50:00 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 07, 2005, 11:08:40 PM
Speaking of being dropped... St. Thomas drops Gustavus Adolphus from a second story window...

That's a sweet quote! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2005, 01:31:44 AM
It's certainly original. I've never heard of a basketball rout being compared to defenestration. I like it!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2005, 06:49:31 AM
Ralph - I thought UT-Dallas played hard against IWU, but Alma looked pretty bad against Wabash and I was surprised they lost there. (I didn't see that game as we had a little football playoff game going on).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 08, 2005, 08:49:39 AM
York goes on the road and beats a ranked opponent.  Fight on, Peppermint Patties!

Greg, that's the first I've seen the word "defenestration" in months, if not years.  For using it in a sentence properly, I "applauded" you, bringing you up to 19.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: imderekpoe on December 08, 2005, 09:13:18 AM
Oddly enough, my daughter and I had a discussion the other day as to why there was a need for the word 'defenstrate', and we couldn't really come up with a good reason.  Now I know that the answer is, "So that Greg Sager could use it on Posting Up!"
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2005, 09:42:10 AM
"Good" news for our adopted little sisters, the women's team at CCNY.

They only lost to Hunter 71-31. Next up is 5-1 Baruch.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Titan Scouser on December 08, 2005, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 08, 2005, 06:49:31 AM
Ralph - I thought UT-Dallas played hard against IWU, but Alma looked pretty bad against Wabash and I was surprised they lost there. (I didn't see that game as we had a little football playoff game going on).

Smed,
I was surprised that Alma beat UT Dallas as well, given the performances we'd seen the night before.  There's a lot of talent on UT Dallas.  But on Saturday Dallas just never seemed in the game, and Alma followed their game plan almost perfectly.   Another example of why they play the games. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 08, 2005, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: cmhscots on December 08, 2005, 09:13:18 AM
Oddly enough, my daughter and I had a discussion the other day as to why there was a need for the word 'defenstrate', and we couldn't really come up with a good reason.  Now I know that the answer is, "So that Greg Sager could use it on Posting Up!"

Aside from this word's prominent role in Greg's linguistic armamentarium [;)], there was a famous historical incident now known as the "Defenestration of Prague."  Who'd have thought a simple act of throwing someone out the window could start a war lasting 30 years (oddly enough, its called the Thirty Years War, 1618-1648). You can look it up.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 12:23:23 PM
Me talk pretty one day...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Just Bill on December 08, 2005, 01:03:44 PM
From Wikepedia:

The Second Defenstration of Prague

Some members of the Bohemian aristocracy were effectively in revolt following the 1617 election of Ferdinand (Duke of Styria and a Catholic) as the King of Bohemia. In 1617, Roman Catholic officials ordered the cessation of construction of some Protestant chapels on land which the Catholic clergy claimed belonged to them. Protestants, who claimed that it was royal, not Catholic Church, land, and thus available for their own use, interpreted this as a violation of the right of freedom of religious expression as granted in the Letter of Majesty issued by Emperor Rudolf II in 1609. They feared that the fiercely Catholic Ferdinand would revoke the Protestant rights altogether once he came to the throne.

At Prague Castle on May 23, 1618, an assembly of Protestants (led by Count Thurn) tried two Imperial governors, Wilhelm Graf Slavata (1572 - 1652) and Jaroslav Borzita Graf von Martinicz (1582 - 1649), for violating the Letter of Majesty, found them guilty, and threw them, together with their scribe Philip Fabricius, out of the high castle windows, They fell some 15 m (50 ft), and they landed on a large pile of manure. They all survived.

Roman Catholic Imperial officials claimed that they survived due to the mercy of benevolent angels assisting the righteousness of the Catholic cause. Protestant pamphleteers asserted that their survival had more to do with the horse manure in which they landed.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2005, 01:10:46 PM
I guess they should have done some advance scouting of the locations (like pick a tower WITHOUT a big pile o' manure right outside the window).

I can only imagine the aroma. The horror! The horror! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 01:11:17 PM
So was the First Defenestration of Prague when they threw the manure out the window?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2005, 01:11:44 PM
So to summarize last night's activity:

Of the 28 undefeated teams, 10 played last night - 6 won to stay unbeaten (Woo, York, Auggie, Maryville tenn, Hampden Sid, and Chapman)
4 lost, reducing our undefeateds to 24  -  those losing were Keuka, Albright, Grinnell, and the Gusties.

Ot the 36 winless, 9 played.  Six continued their losing ways, but Texas Dallas and Washington &Leee won, jumping off our list.  Looking for a Maine Presque Isle result.  We'll call it 34 on our winless list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 08, 2005, 01:39:50 PM
hopefan,

Thank you for getting back to basketball...my head started to hurt!  ??? ::) :P ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 08, 2005, 01:46:53 PM
I agree, all of that pontificating was causing a spasmodic response to my abdominal muscles which was about to produce a gastronomical event, namely the regurgitation of my most recently consumed meal  :) :D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2005, 02:16:42 PM
Minnesota Morris wins a makeup game over Mayville St, falling off our winless list   -  down to 33
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 08, 2005, 02:18:45 PM
Protestant pamphleteers -----Are these like the people handing out reading material in airports?


DC--I had to give you Karma for your 2 responses.....little known fact you can't give someone karma more than once in 12 hours.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 08, 2005, 02:26:19 PM
I thought the Pamphleteers won the first D3 national championship????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2005, 02:56:38 PM
Ah, yes the Pampheteers defeated the Yellow Journalists 21-14.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2005, 03:13:41 PM
St Scholastica picked up a win also, leaving only Northland winless in the UMAC.    33  winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2005, 03:23:21 PM
Lots of winless activity tonite, including a battle of the perfect records in the CUNY where  John Jay plays Lehman.

Other winless playing are Albertus Pujols Magnus, E Nazarene, Del Valley, Hunter, Mitchell, Dan Webster, Chestnut Hill, Swarthmore, Thomas, and Thomas More.

Undefeateds playing tonite are Widener, WPI, Middlebury, Keene St, and Carroll.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 04:03:42 PM
If the Czech national team adopts a run-and-gun style of play, would that be called the Offenestration of Prague?

*rim shot*
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 08, 2005, 04:11:34 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 04:03:42 PM
If the Czech national team adopts a run-and-gun style of play, would that be called the Offenestration of Prague?

*rim shot*

Did someone earlier mention "manure"?  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on December 08, 2005, 04:57:14 PM
Quote from: sac on December 08, 2005, 02:18:45 PM
DC--I had to give you Karma for your 2 responses.....little known fact you can't give someone karma more than once in 12 hours.

I figured that out when I was trying to give Greg karma to make up for lame person that kept knocking off his karma. I've probably given Greg 40 karma points alone.... and look where he's at!  :D

Quote from: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 12:23:23 PM
Me talk pretty one day...


:D :D :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 05:10:40 PM
diehardfan, you have been giving him karma, too? ???

I have been giving him karma, figuring that the North Park has been testing his psyche with their play this season...and we haven't started CCIW play yet!  :)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2005, 05:25:55 PM
Thank you, cj4l. And kudos to you for keeping alive the informal "Peppermint Patties" moniker for York. CMHScots, when I was in college my next-door neighbor on the fourth floor of our dormitory was a dangerously eccentric kid named Steve "Avalanche" Carlson who used to amuse himself by dropping stuff out of his window (pints of ice cream, pumpkins, even an aquarium) in order to see what happened when it hit the sidewalk. This was before David Letterman made the same routine (but with watermelons instead of pumpkins) part of his shtick on Late Night. "Defenestration" became a favorite word of mine right about that time.

Quote from: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 01:11:17 PM
So was the First Defenestration of Prague when they threw the manure out the window?

If so, it begs the question as to why the castle's proprietors were keeping horses in the upper rooms of the citadel. Silly Bohemian Protestants!

Thanks, April. :) I had a suspicion that you were my karma fairy. And now that I've gone ahead and called you that, you're probably going to snap your magic wand in half and will never wave it over my head again. I guess it shows my tendency to look a gift horse in the mouth -- no matter how high up in the castle he happens to be. :D

Ralph, you may have to cart in the karma by the truckload once NPU embarks upon what may be a very long and very trying conference schedule.

And as that gets us back to basketball -- sort of -- can we then infer from PS's metaphor about St. Thomas dropping Gustavus Adolphus from a second-story window that this was a case of a Catholic school commiting vengeance upon a Protestant school as a tit-for-tat response to the Second Defenestration of Prague? I mean, how many other D3 schools besides GAC are named after a Protestant hero of the Thirty Years War? Coincidence? I think not.  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 05:35:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2005, 05:25:55 PM
If so, it begs the question as to why the castle's proprietors were keeping horses in the upper rooms of the citadel. Silly Bohemian Protestants!

This calls to mind the brief vignette in The Commitments (a truly great film) where a small boy holding the reins of a tired-looking horse is waiting for the lift on the ground floor of a public housing high-rise in North Dublin.  Jimmy Rabbitte comes to the lift, gives the boy and horse an unbelieving look, and asks the boy "you're not taking that thing on the lift?," whereupon the boy responds "I have to; the stairs would kill him!"   :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 08, 2005, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 04:03:42 PM
If the Czech national team adopts a run-and-gun style of play, would that be called the Offenestration of Prague?

I think Offenestration should be the new name for the "Grinnell System!"

Quote from: Gregory SagerI mean, how many other D3 schools besides GAC are named after a Protestant hero of the Thirty Years War?

I had no idea about the history of the 30 years war, defenestration, or who Gustvus Adolphus was (actually, two years ago when Point played at GAC, I recall having a conversation about this... we wondered how he got a school named after him!).

Truth be told, I was just looking for words that could aptly portray what the score clearly showed: that GAC got crushed.

I guess we'll have to wait a few games to see if they landed in the pile of crap and merely have to deal with the stench of their play from last night, or if they met their demise on the cobblestones outside of Gus Young Court.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 08:21:58 PM
Back on topic.... ::)

Worcester Poly survives tonight, barely, beating Endicott 61-60.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on December 08, 2005, 08:30:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 05:10:40 PM
diehardfan, you have been giving him karma, too? ???

Yes, ahem... I think I know who was taking away Greg's karma  :D

Greg, I just figured that if the reason Pat liked this method better was cause the best posters were rated the best, that it was just plain wrong to have you in the negatives when I was at like 20. Besides, I like you! You're my "big brother." Just not in the 1984 sense.  ;)

Poor scottie too hottie must be at -100 by now, he was pretty close to it the last time I was in the ODAC room.  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2005, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on December 08, 2005, 08:30:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 05:10:40 PM
diehardfan, you have been giving him karma, too? ???

Yes, ahem... I think I know who was taking away Greg's karma  :D

Greg, I just figured that if the reason Pat liked this method better was cause the best posters were rated the best, that it was just plain wrong to have you in the negatives when I was at like 20. Besides, I like you! You're my "big brother." Just not in the 1984 sense.  ;)

Poor scottie too hottie must be at -100 by now, he was pretty close to it the last time I was in the ODAC room.  :D

Not even close on Scottie - he's only at -40!  There IS a poster, whose name I've mercifully blocked-out, who must be near triple digits by now.  He was -90-something a couple of days ago.  Come to think of it, haven't seen him anywhere since then - wonder if he got the hint or if Pat ejected him?

Re: Greg - didn't you mean to type "...not ONLY in the 1984 sense"? ;) ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 11:18:35 PM
TBF is at -36, and RedSwarm81 is at -33.  I've sometimes wished there were a way to list the users by increasing or decreasing karma.  Or maybe there is and I just haven't noticed?  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2005, 11:22:39 PM
Well, the more I say about the OAC in the NCAC football board, the more my karma goes down. Do I speak my mind and brave the karma, or do I meekly kowtow to Purple Nation.

Well...guess what???  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on December 08, 2005, 11:35:53 PM
mount union... rolls eyes... say all you want about their football team  :D ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 11:37:36 PM
That poster is in the -90 range still but while he's been a bit of an ass over the past year, he doesn't deserve to be more than, say, -30.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2005, 01:03:54 AM
You must be talking about Titan2000, who's at -98 or something like that. The only reason I notice his karma is because he whines about it all the time. He's pretty obnoxious, so I really don't understand why he gets his knickers in a twist over people smiting him all the time.

I really do appreciate the sentiment, April. Thanks again for the karma. And you, too, Ralph.  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 09, 2005, 05:11:25 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 08:21:58 PM
Back on topic.... ::)

Worcester Poly survives tonight, barely, beating Endicott 61-60.

My confidence is not very high on my boys!  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2005, 10:32:06 AM
24 teams start last nite undefeated, 5 played, 4 won (Widener, WPI, Carroll, and Middlebury), but Keene St lost a shootout vs Tufts, 100-97, to be eliminated from the list.  23 undefeateds remain.

32 winless teams started last night, and 12 played. Ot the 12, 9 stayed in the club, ending again on the losing side of the board.  2 Cuny teams jumped off the list, with Lehman winning over John Jay in a battle of the CUNY winless, and Hunter winning againt Medgar Evers.  Mitchell out of the Northeast also won.  So we are down to 29 winless teams.

At the request of Hall of Famer Greg Sager, I willintroduce two new catagories this weekend, with undefeated and winless vs D3 only.  My fees will increase accordingly!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2005, 11:17:47 AM
Undefeated teams playing tonight are:  Hope, Potsdam, CMU, Chapman and Oswego  (tough game at Wilkes)

Winless going tonite are Ithaca, D'Youville, Pac Lutheran and Immaculata.   Immaculata will likely get nipped by 40 at Rowan, but the other 3 all stand a chance at finding the win column.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2005, 12:49:39 PM
This is Immaculata's inaugural season.

Their first win will be something! :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2005, 01:07:51 PM
After their first win, will they still be Immaculata?  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2005, 01:18:20 PM
That was a pretty good straight line for you David, wasn't it! ;)  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 09, 2005, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2005, 12:49:39 PM
This is Immaculata's inaugural season.

Their first win will be something! :)

How many of you are are old enough to remember when Immaculata was the class of big-time women's basketball?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2005, 03:52:01 PM
Me!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2005, 04:11:25 PM
serious question   -  did they play 5 on 5 when Immaculata was good, or 6 on 6  (the old 3 offensive, 3 defensive)?   Did college basketball ever dictate the women's game to be 6 on 6???   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 09, 2005, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2005, 04:11:25 PM
serious question   -  did they play 5 on 5 when Immaculata was good, or 6 on 6  (the old 3 offensive, 3 defensive)?   Did college basketball ever dictate the women's game to be 6 on 6???   

Good question. I'll go out on a limb and say 5 on 5.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on December 09, 2005, 04:26:13 PM
I'm almost certain the three national championships from 1972-1974 were 5 on 5.

Here's a link:
http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/02/macs.html

My mom's an Immaculata alumna. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2005, 04:30:18 PM
I dimly remember when (or rather that) Immaculata was a power; dimly, because my memory is poor, not because I'm not old enough.

unbearable, [applause] for the correct number, gender, and spelling of the word "alumna."   :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 09, 2005, 04:41:10 PM
Whe Immaculata won their three national championships, they did so under the aegis of the Association for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women. At the time, the NCAA apparently wanted no part of women's basketball (they changed their mind in 1982 -- perhaps because they realized there was some money to be made?).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2005, 04:45:12 PM
It would be interesting to hear about the 50's 60's early 70's women's game  --  anybody with knowledge chime in

On the subject of our perfect teams, I looked ahead to Saturday's games - a large number of our teams are in action, with some very interesting games to keep our eye on

the big one of course is Witt vs Woo
also undefeated Hamilton vs undefeated Middlebury
Illinois Wesleyan may have to work hard at Wash U
Undefeated CMU plays at Union - a very tough game for CMU
Maryville Tn plays Transy  - I saw Transy - they're pretty good

in the winless group

Winless Hiram plays winless Oberlin
Immaculata could play Williamson Trade School (loser bracket in tourney) - they could get a win
Webster could get a win vs Lincoln Christian


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2005, 04:52:04 PM
The Hiram / Oberlin game may be a race to totall winlessness.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 09, 2005, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2005, 04:45:12 PM
It would be interesting to hear about the 50's 60's early 70's women's game  --  anybody with knowledge chime in.

Here you go:

http://www.womensbasketballonline.com/history/

and then click on "Timeline."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2005, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2005, 01:03:54 AM
You must be talking about Titan2000, who's at -98 or something like that. The only reason I notice his karma is because he whines about it all the time. He's pretty obnoxious, so I really don't understand why he gets his knickers in a twist over people smiting him all the time.


Let it be noted that he is an Oshkosh Titan, NOT an IWU Titan! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2005, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 09, 2005, 04:41:10 PM
Whe Immaculata won their three national championships, they did so under the aegis of the Association for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women. At the time, the NCAA apparently wanted no part of women's basketball (they changed their mind in 1982 -- perhaps because they realized there was some money to be made?).

Cynic! ;)

And thereafter it took them less than 3 years (if I recall correctly) to squeeze the AIAW out of existence.  Back in those early days, nearly ALL the powers were schools that fans of only men's sports had probably never heard of!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2005, 08:00:52 PM
When I think of women's basketball, I think of the Wayland Baptist University Flying Queens.

http://www.wbu.edu/c/c01b01/programs.htm

I have a picture from 1922 of my maternal grandmother, who was a school teacher, coaching girls 3-on-3 basketball in the cotton field beside the community school.  The girls are dressed in full skirts, with hats and lace-up leather shoes!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 09, 2005, 11:30:45 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 09, 2005, 04:41:10 PM
.... At the time, the NCAA apparently wanted no part of women's basketball (they changed their mind in 1982 -- perhaps because they realized there was some money to be made?).

Sadly Warren, I'm sure the it was because the NCAA felt there was money to be LOST if they didn't take on women's basketball.



hopefan----Keep an eye on Hope v Aquinas,  8-0 Hope.....vs local rival.....one starter possibly out for Hope.   Hope won the first by just 1.  This could be a tough win for Hope.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 09, 2005, 11:37:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2005, 07:40:03 PM
Let it be noted that he is an Oshkosh Titan, NOT an IWU Titan! ;)

He jumped on the Lawrence bandwagon last year too.  He's just basically anti-Pointer.  You see his personal quote at the bottom of his posts?  Real classy.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2005, 05:25:24 AM
Hope and CMU win to stay undefeated, but Potsdam loses at Alfred and Chapman falls to Whittier.  Our undefeateds are down to 20

Winless Immaculata, D'Youville and Pac Lutheran stay that way, but Ithaca graduates, beating St Lawrence.  Winless at 25  My previous count was off by 2. 

Interesting  maybe someone can say why  - it appears Wilkes pulled out of the RIT tourney very late  -  listed as postponed on their schedule, even tho a facsimile of the tourney is being played with only 3 teams. They were to have faced undefeated Oswego.  What happened?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2005, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2005, 05:25:24 AMInteresting  maybe someone can say why  - it appears Wilkes pulled out of the RIT tourney very late  -  listed as postponed on their schedule, even tho a facsimile of the tourney is being played with only 3 teams. They were to have faced undefeated Oswego.  What happened?

They had to pull off I-81 and turn the bus around, because there was a rumor that a 6'8" College of Charleston transfer was in the vicinity and needed a ride to the Wilkes campus.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Lefty on December 10, 2005, 01:33:09 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2005, 05:25:24 AM

Interesting  maybe someone can say why  - it appears Wilkes pulled out of the RIT tourney very late  -  listed as postponed on their schedule, even tho a facsimile of the tourney is being played with only 3 teams. They were to have faced undefeated Oswego.  What happened?

This was on the Wilkes website:

Wilkes Unable To Travel To Rochester Due To Inclement Weather
The inclement weather that hit the Northeast on Friday has forced the Wilkes University men's basketball team to call off their scheduled contest for Friday and Saturday.

The men's basketball team was scheduled to travel to Rochester, New York, to participate in the Brodie Memorial Tournament at the Rochester Institute of Technology on Friday and Saturday. Unfortunately, the Colonels were unable to make the trip due to poor travel conditions. They will attempt to add two contests at a later date to take the place of the two games they will lose from the tournament.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 10, 2005, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 09, 2005, 04:52:04 PM
The Hiram / Oberlin game may be a race to totall winlessness.

Advantage Oberlin
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2005, 07:53:05 PM
Is it too late to pick Hiram in the 'last no-win' sweepstakes?!

Hope won today, and doesn't play again for 3 weeks - the rest of us may be in trouble!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2005, 10:16:48 PM
Actually, Oberlin lost, not Hiram. Oberlin is ahead in the race for total winlessness.

Oberlin dressed eight, had three players play 40 minutes. They had a six point lead at the half and were outscored 44-27 in the second half.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 10, 2005, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2005, 10:16:48 PM
Actually, Oberlin lost, not Hiram. Oberlin is ahead in the race for total winlessness.

Yes; hence the "advantage" to Oberlin. 

On the plus side, #2 Wooster stays unbeaten, winning an 86-83 thriller over #3 Wittenberg on an NBA three with 0:04.1 remaining.  There's a fairly complete, albeit frenetic, play-by-play in the Great Lakes Region board for those who may be interested.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2005, 10:44:44 PM
I surrender!

I totally misunderstood sac's post.

So, is it too late to jump on the Oberlin bandwagon, or didn't we end up with a non-winner pool anyway? :(

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 10, 2005, 11:41:00 PM
I see that Immaculata has been deflowered, defeating Williamson Trade 62-55.  The first win ever for the "Mighty Macs." 
Too bad they didn't ask us to suggest a nickname, I think we could have done a better job.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 11, 2005, 12:11:53 AM
QuoteSo, is it too late to jump on the Oberlin bandwagon, or didn't we end up with a non-winner pool anyway?

No, we didn't, but I swear, if I wasn't incredibly busy, we could arrange to meet Feb. 4, 2006, for the rematch at Oberlin.

We'd go quaff some beverages, of course, before that one.

(Though Oberlin does play 1-8 Washington and Lee on the 30th).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2005, 12:12:34 AM
York falls, leaving (if my notes are correct) just five contenders in the pool: Amherst (5 picks), Hope (2 picks), IWU (4 picks), Wooster (Point Special), and WPI (Old School).

Amherst is 6-0, faces Emmanuel, then is off 'til Jan 2/3 when they face Pomona-Pitzer and Occidental.  Should certainly be 7-0 on New Years Day; may well be 9-0 when they meet Williams.

Hope is 9-0, faces Lakeland, but shouldn't be challenged 'til they may meet JCU on Dec 29th.

IWU is 6-0, should easily handle Illinois College, then faces Hanover and Puget Sound.

Wooster is 8-0, next demolishes Westminster, then tackles Baldwin-Wallace, either Lycoming or Thiel, and faces 'New Jersey' (I have no clue which team that is!) on Jan 6.

WPI is 9-0, and is now off until Jan 5th - then they face Babson, Clark, MIT, and Fitchburg.  On Jan 14 they play @ Springfield.  Perhaps it is only my limited knowlege of East/Northeast d3 bball, but I think WPI may well be this year's St. John Fisher, except I think they will lose on Jan 14 (if not before).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2005, 12:34:20 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2005, 12:12:34 AM
Wooster is 8-0, next demolishes Westminster, then tackles Baldwin-Wallace, either Lycoming or Thiel, and faces 'New Jersey' (I have no clue which team that is!) on Jan 6.

The College of Wooster plays the College of New Jersey on Jan. 6.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2005, 01:28:54 AM
David,

Forgive my stupidity, but there are so many colleges that include 'New Jersey" in their name - this is Knightstalker's  New Jersey?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2005, 02:01:42 AM
I think Knightstalker is a supporter of New Jersey City University's Gothic Knights, not the (College of) New Jersey Lions.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 11, 2005, 06:04:30 AM
Quote from: njcu_fan on December 10, 2005, 01:33:09 PM
This was on the Wilkes website:

Wilkes Unable To Travel To Rochester Due To Inclement Weather
The inclement weather that hit the Northeast on Friday has forced the Wilkes University men's basketball team to call off their scheduled contest for Friday and Saturday.

The men's basketball team was scheduled to travel to Rochester, New York, to participate in the Brodie Memorial Tournament at the Rochester Institute of Technology on Friday and Saturday. Unfortunately, the Colonels were unable to make the trip due to poor travel conditions. They will attempt to add two contests at a later date to take the place of the two games they will lose from the tournament.


Sure, that's what was on the website.  That's what they want you to believe.  As always, Greg Sager was right on top of things.  The real reason was that the transfer from the College of Charleston has finally arrived!  In an attempt to save him for 2nd semester, Wilkes is foregoing all further 1st semester games, be it under the auspices of wintry weather advisories, stomach flu, monsoon, or alleged academic ineligibility.

Regrettably, York finally took a tumble.  Inevitably someone had to take a bite out of the Peppermint Patties.  Feel the rush!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 11, 2005, 08:44:19 AM
DC, you are correct sir!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2005, 12:36:27 PM
Undefeateds are down to 17 as Wittenberg loses to Wooster and Middlebury loses to Hamilton in battles of undefeateds.  Plymouth and York Pa also lose
Undefeated teams are :
   East  :  Hamilton, NYU, Oswego (no result from York Ny vs Oswego game)
   MA  :  Widener
   MW  :  IWU, Auggie, North Central, Lawrence, Carroll
   NE  :  Amherst,  WPI
   South  :  Maryville, Tn     Hamp-Syd
   GL  :  Hope, Wooster, CMU, ONU
   West and Atl no undefeateds left.

A subset of undefeateds are those that have lost to a non NCAA-D3 teams, but are undefeated vs D3 :
13  schools are alive in this group
   MW  :  Bluffton,  Franklin
   West  :  Nebraska Wesleyan, Geo Fox, Occidental, Wartburg, Puget Sound
   GL  :  Albion, Calvin, Olivet
    South  :  Fisk
   MA  :  Alvernia
   Atl  :  Baruch
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2005, 02:34:31 PM
Winless are down to 20 as Hiram beats Oberlin, and Delaware Valley, Immaculata, and Webster win.  I note a number of scores are missing that I hope will show up tomorrow
Winless teams are :
   East  :  D'Youville
   MA  :   Goucher, Swarthmore,  Chestnut Hill
   Atl  :  John Jay
   NE  :  East Naz, Albertus Pujols Magnus, Dan Webster, Maine Presque Isle, Thomas
   South  :  Schreiner
   GL  :  Oberlin, W&J, Thomas More
   West :  Cornell, Pac Lutheran, Caltech, Northland
   MW  :  Principia, Westminster Mo


A subset of winless are those that have won over non NCAA-D3 teams, but are winless vs D3 :
14  schools are alive in this group
   MW  :  Fontbonne, Greenville, Webster, and Marantha
   West  :  Redlands, Cal Lutheran, LaVerne, Santa Cruz
   GL  :  Thiel
    South  :  Ferrum
   MA  :  Immaculata
   Atl  :  Medgar Evers, Brooklyn, Rutgers Camden
   NE : Southern Vermont, Maine Maritime
    East  :     none
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2005, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2005, 12:36:27 PM
Undefeateds are down to 17 as Wittenberg loses to Wooster [...]
Undefeated teams are :
   [...]
   GL  :  Hope, Wooster, CMU, ONU

Ohio Northern faces three teams over the next 10 days.  These teams have a combined record of 18-3, and the latter two of them are road games.  Should they survive the first two (vs. #21 Baldwin-Wallace, at [#26] John Carroll), they then travel to Springfield to take on #3 Wittenberg, who will be off this whole time and will be ravenous to get back in the win column.  This could be a rough fortnight for the Polar Bears.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 12, 2005, 01:06:53 AM
New and Improved AND UPDATED Survivor League

And then there were FIVE

York (PA) LOST at Salisbury 69-67 on Saturday
cj4l
Jeremybozz
njcu_fan
njlincolnlion

Ill. Wesleyan (6-0)-Last BEAT Washington U on Saturday.
Upcoming Games:
Dec. 17 at Illinois College
Dec. 20 vs. Hanover
Dec. 29 vs. Puget sound
Dec. 30 vs. Berry or Westmont

13wapiti
augiefan
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy

Worcester Polytech (9-0)-Last BEAT Roger Williams on Saturday
Off until Jan. 5, 2006

Old School

Hope (9-0)-Last BEAT Aquinas on Saturday.
Upcoming Games:
Dec. 28 vs. Lakeland
Dec. 29 vs. Goshen or John Carroll

Flying Dutch Fan
hope1

Amherst (6-0)-Last BEAT Worcester State on Saturday.
Upcoming Games:
Dec. 12 vs. Emmanuel

formerbant10
fpc85
nescac1
pinna44
titanfan

Wooster (8-0)-Last BEAT Wittenberg on Saturday.
Upcoming Games:
Dec. 18 vs. Westminster (Pa.)
Dec. 29 vs. Baldwin-Wallace
Dec. 30 vs. Lycoming or Thiel

PointSpecial
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2005, 06:58:06 AM
Oswego St loses to RIT.....  Undefeateds down to 16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2005, 06:10:19 AM
Not much activity with our undefeated or winless lists.

One team fell off the undefeated vs D3 list last night, Baruch losing by 3 to Kings Point.  Interesting result, in that the two teams appear to be the leading contender in their respective conferences  -  the CUNY and SKY

Current count
Undefeated  17
Undefeated vs only D3  12
Winless  20
Winless vs only d3  14
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 14, 2005, 08:52:42 AM
Hopefan...

I'm trying to figure out your list here, but I'm at a bit of a loss.  How can there be 17 teams undefeated, but only 12 undefeated against D3?  Or does your list imply that the 17 undefeated are also undefeated against D3 (so that number is actually 29 instead of 12?)

Same goes for the winless... is the winless vs. D3 actually 34 strong?

Thanks, and keep up the good work!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2005, 09:08:53 AM
Point Special   Undefeated and winless means TOTALLY undefeated and winless.  The 2nd catagories mean undefeated against D3, but with a loss outside of D3 (ie to NAIA, or D1, D2), and winless against D3, but with a win against a non D3.

Hope that explains... I'll track teams that fall off the lists and list couunt each day, and print updated lists after each weekend.  We had fun with it last year, and I enjoy following and compiling the lists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on December 14, 2005, 11:13:08 AM
I will tell you that the only team on the winless list that surprises me is Goucher.

Gosh ho the Gophers have fallen. 

Can Gophers actually fall given that thye live underground?

C

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2005, 11:37:14 AM
Coach C -  nope they can't fall, but they sure can dig the hole deeper!!!!! :D :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ashleyjb on December 14, 2005, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2005, 12:12:34 AM
WPI is 9-0, and is now off until Jan 5th - then they face Babson, Clark, MIT, and Fitchburg.  On Jan 14 they play @ Springfield.  Perhaps it is only my limited knowlege of East/Northeast d3 bball, but I think WPI may well be this year's St. John Fisher, except I think they will lose on Jan 14 (if not before).

Mr. Ypsi, you are predicting that WPI (9-0) is going to lose on Jan 14 to Springfield (1-7)?  Hmmm, seems a bit off to me.  I think you got another thing coming.  Springfield has lost close games to some quality teams, but I can't get over the fact that they're 1-7.  I think it'll be a good game, but I don't think you can outright predict a WPI loss there.  WPI has beaten some of the same quality teams.  When it comes to clutch time, WPI excels.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2005, 02:56:48 PM
Well we may have found (accidently) one of the worst men's teams in the country, in Unity College, who played Maine Presque Isle and Maine Maritime this weekend.  they lost to Maine Maratime 73 - 23.  Maratime has beaten Unity twice, by 50 and 40, and not beaten anyone else, tho several of their scores have been competitive.  We struggled to find the Maine Presque Isle vs Unity score, and it finally appeared today. 
Maine PI  103  Unity 49.
MAine PI entered the game 0-7, and were averaging a losing margin of over 40 points per game.  Unfortunately, Unity is not D3, so we won't follow them, but if anyone does see a score, these pages are where to report it!!!

Anyway, Maine Presque Isle graduates from our winless list, moving to our winless vs D3 list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2005, 03:17:40 PM

Just FYI, to keep things shorter, we tend to abbreviate the Maine teams as ME-*****, here in the North East.  ME-Presque Isle sure is bad, but then again I hear they have three black bears and a cougar on the roster, so they might be doing pretty well with what they've got.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 14, 2005, 03:35:12 PM
The problem is while those bears are tough on D - they get into foul trouble a lot.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dark Knight on December 14, 2005, 05:16:05 PM
Out of curiosity, I looked up Unity College on the internet, and found that it's a a college emphasizing the environment, with about 500 students, 2/3 of them men. They have this to say about their basketball program:

Quote
The Unity Rams continue to steadily improve over the last few years. The squad is know for their aggressive and hustling brand of basketball. The team competes against some of the toughest USCAA, NAIA, and NCAA III competition in New England. Unity plays in the Northern Division of the Yankee Small College Conference. The squad traditionally opens its season hosting the Unity College "Tip-Off" Tournament. Look for our hoop squad to continue its search for playoff success.

Those "toughest" teams against which they compete include Central Maine CC, Eastern Maine CC, Nortern Maine, CC, Southern Maine CC, and ... sorry ... no Western Maine CC. Must not be up to their high standards of competition.

I think they are wise to advise us to look for the squad to continue its search for playoff success.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 14, 2005, 06:43:10 PM
OMG: If Unity 'continue to steadily improve', how bad were they a few years ago! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 14, 2005, 08:11:16 PM
I think we should cut them some slack;  after all, it's tough to play hoops in Birkenstocks and hemp jerseys.   :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 14, 2005, 08:13:59 PM
Unity was 8-14 last year, believe it or not. They must have played the directonal Maine Tech schools three times each, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2005, 09:19:54 PM
uh oh  undefeateds drop by one to 15   Ohio Northern loses to BW by 2.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2005, 12:47:20 AM
Schreiner Mountaineers take advantage of their schedule and defeat Austin College.  They leave the ranks of the winless!

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Schreiner&team=m

Tip of the hat to David Collinge--official D3Hoops.com proofreader, and barrister extraordinaire :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2005, 07:06:47 AM
Olivet loses to Whitewater  -  their first loss to D3 team
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 15, 2005, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2005, 12:47:20 AM
Tip of the hat to David Collinge--official D3Hoops.com proofreader, and barrister extraordinaire :D

As I mentioned someplace else, for reasons like this I've been inspired to change my avatar and signature.   :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on December 15, 2005, 04:46:39 PM
Yes that may be wise, though i am not sure where we should begin to look, or exactly how many years we should expect the seacrch to take.

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 15, 2005, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 14, 2005, 08:11:16 PM
I think we should cut them some slack;  after all, it's tough to play hoops in Birkenstocks and hemp jerseys.   :)

And after the season, presumably, they smoke their jerseys?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 15, 2005, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 15, 2005, 05:07:04 PM

And after the season, presumably, they smoke their jerseys?

But it's purely for medicinal purposes... (to help them forget about losing by 50 to ME-Presque Isle?)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 16, 2005, 05:49:48 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 15, 2005, 06:11:55 PMBut it's purely for medicinal purposes... (to help them forget about losing by 50 to ME-Presque Isle?)

No, it's to help them forget about the fact that they're in Maine.

BTW, is it true that Unity has the only solar-powered scoreboard in intercollegiate basketball?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 16, 2005, 10:14:25 AM

First of all, DC, karma points solely for the new avatar.  Second, there is no Western Maine CC because there aren't any actual communities in Western Maine, yes a few random homes, but they aren't close enough together to be called a community.


And lastly, in the words of Woody Harrelson (on Letterman) "You would have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to get high on hemp... (long dramatic pause)... and boy was that a good weekend."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2005, 11:48:43 AM
Looks like I've unleashed a real fan club for Unity  -  I wish they were D3 so we could have access to them regularly through these pages - well anyone seeing their scores etc, PLEASE report to us here - I think they merit the same kind of cult following as the CCNY ladies team - and this is the place for it!!!!

Amongst our D3 undefeated winless and undefeated, there was limited activity the last several days - last night Westminster Mo and Cornell Iowa EASILY stayed winless, but we did have a quirk.  Ferrum beat D2 Davis &Elkins last night for the 2nd time this year, and they also beat USCAA member So Virginia, but they are 0-4, winless, vs D3.

Large number of games today for our perfect group ...you'll see all the results here tomorrow
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on December 17, 2005, 11:50:46 PM
Two more undefeated teams are no longer, Carroll and Maryville (TN) lost tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2005, 08:19:03 AM
15 teams started undefeated last night  -  only 3 played, but 2 lost.  Carroll goes down to UW Oshkosh, 70-69, and Maryville Tn loses to Averett, 73-70.
IWU breezes by IC
Undefeated teams remaining are 13:
     Hamilton,   NYU,  Widener,  Amherst,  WPI,  IWU,  Auggie,  North Central,  Lawrence,  Hamp-syd,  Hope,  Wooster,  and CMU

Undefeated vs D3 teams only, also took a hit last night when Alvernia lost to Albright.  This group is reduced to 10:
Bluffton, Franklin, Nebraska Wesleyan (who have really been taking their lumps in NAIA competition), Geo Fox, Occidental (nice win over Chapman last night), Wartburg, Puget Sound, Albion, Calvin, and Fisk.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2005, 12:45:46 PM
Winless teams dropped by 3 last night, as D'Youvolle beat Medaille, W&J nipped LaRoche, and Westminster Mo much to Mr. Sager's chagrin, beat North Park in ot.

Winless teams are now at 14:
Goucher, Swarthmore, Chestnut Hill, John Jay, East Naz, Albertus Pujols Magnus (my favorite as a St Louisan), Daniel Webster, Oberlin, Thomas More, Cornell, Pac Lutheran, Caltech, Northland, and Principia.   

Only Cal Lutheran dropped off our list of winless vs D3, beating Lewis & Clark.
That list is now also at 14:
Maine Presque Isle, Maine Maritime, Rutgers Camden, Immaculata, Ferrum, Thiel, Redlands, LaVerne, Santa Cruz, Linfield, Fontbonne, Greenville, Webster, and Marantha

Looking ahead..  Wanna have a very special New Year's Eve..  celebrate with a likely first time winner by attending Cornell Iowa at Caltech, both winless to now   (tho watch tonite when Caltech hosts Milwaukee engineering - could be an upset)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 18, 2005, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2005, 12:45:46 PM(tho watch tonite when Caltech hosts Milwaukee engineering - could be an upset)

Are you taking any bets on this one?  I'll take MSOE and lay 15.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2005, 09:02:50 AM
None of our teams got bounced from our lists on Sunday.  No upset for Caltech over MSOE, though the 11 point margin failed to live up to Mr. Collinge's margin of 15  -  Dave, hoping you didn't put too much on that game!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 20, 2005, 01:01:59 PM
New and Improved AND UPDATED Survivor League

Slow week.

STILL AT FIVE

Ill. Wesleyan (7-0)-Last BEAT Ill. College on Saturday, Dec. 17.
Upcoming Games:
Dec. 20 vs. Hanover
Dec. 29 vs. Puget sound
Dec. 30 vs. Berry or Westmont

13wapiti
augiefan
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy

Worcester Polytech (9-0)-Last BEAT Roger Williams on Saturday, Dec. 10.
Off until Jan. 5, 2006

Old School

Hope (9-0)-Last BEAT Aquinas on Saturday, Dec. 10.
Upcoming Games:
Dec. 28 vs. Lakeland
Dec. 29 vs. Goshen or John Carroll

Flying Dutch Fan
hope1

Amherst (7-0)-Last BEAT Emmanuel on Monday, Dec. 12.
Upcoming Games:
Off until Jan. 2.


formerbant10
fpc85
nescac1
pinna44
titanfan

Wooster (9-0)-Last BEAT Westminster (Pa.) on Sunday, Dec. 18.
Upcoming Games:
Dec. 29 vs. Baldwin-Wallace
Dec. 30 vs. Lycoming or Thiel

PointSpecial
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 20, 2005, 01:18:21 PM
After the five that are still alive in our survivor pool, here are the other eight.  Will any of them survive longer than our five? 

Hamilton (7-0):
Off until Jan. 4

NYU (7-0):
Dec. 29 vs. Westfield State
Dec. 30 vs. Emmanuel or Staten Island

Widener (9-0):
Dec. 22 vs. Emmaculata

Augustana (8-0): 
Dec. 22 vs. Rose-Hulman
Dec. 28 vs. Marian
Dec. 29 vs. St. Scholastica or UW-Stout

North Central (7-0):
Dec. 28 at Franklin
Dec. 30 vs. Judson (Ill.)

Lawrence (6-0):
Dec. 28 vs. Goucher
Dec. 29 at Vanguard

Hampden-Sydney (7-0):
Dec. 29 at SUNY-Old Westbury
Dec. 39 vs. Neuman or Wheaton (Mass.)

Carnegie Mellon (9-0):
Dec. 28 at Princeton (I'm assuming that's the D1 Princeton?)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on December 20, 2005, 01:46:38 PM
That is D1 Princeton (at Princeton), should be a tough game to keep the winning streak going.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 20, 2005, 03:35:16 PM
But they'd just move to the undefeated against D-3 subset.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 21, 2005, 03:55:39 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 20, 2005, 03:35:16 PM
But they'd just move to the undefeated against D-3 subset.

True, but I'd still take them off the list I made since it's based on undefeated teams, regardless...which is what our survivor pool is based on...undefeated against anyone and everyone.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 21, 2005, 10:56:47 AM
I didn't know if we have updated their travails, but the CCNY women seem to be improving, they only lost 72-43 to SUNY - Purchase on the 9th.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2005, 11:30:25 AM
Smed---   wonder if Unity has played?????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 21, 2005, 03:03:19 PM
They were to have played Eastern Maine CC on the 14th, then be off until January 22nd. Probably going to enter a hacky-sack tourney or something.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 21, 2005, 04:15:08 PM
Well, shiver me timbers. According to Massey, Unity beat ME - Augusta 101-77.

So they can't put more than 25 up against Presque Isle, yet drop a century on Augusta.

BTW - According to very early Massey ratings, Principia is the bottom feeder in D-3. We shall see.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 21, 2005, 05:07:02 PM
Hmm... tell us more about Maine- Augusta...  They sound...  not good.

Here ya go, based on the Wolfe rankings (link posted on the Top 25 thread) they're DEAD last.  Unity's third to last... if the third to last team is 24 points better than the last team, then they're really not good...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2005, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 21, 2005, 04:15:08 PM
BTW - According to very early Massey ratings, Principia is the bottom feeder in D-3. We shall see.

Different sport, same result.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on December 22, 2005, 08:09:32 PM
Ouch Pat!!  That would really hurt if I were a Principia follower.

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 24, 2005, 11:28:58 AM
In the last several days, only two teams have dropped off our perfect lists - and that happened in the same game.   When LaVerne nipped George Fox, LaVerne got off the winless vs D3 list, and Geo Fox was bounced from the undefeated vs d3 list.  All other teams maintained their spots.

Undefeated teams remaining are 13:
     Hamilton,   NYU,  Widener,  Amherst,  WPI,  IWU,  Auggie,  North Central,  Lawrence,  Hamp-syd,  Hope,  Wooster,  and CMU

Undefeated vs D3 teams only is reduced to 9:
Bluffton, Franklin, Nebraska Wesleyan ,  Occidental , Wartburg, Puget Sound, Albion, Calvin, and Fisk.

Winless teams are now at 14:
Goucher, Swarthmore, Chestnut Hill, John Jay, East Naz, Albertus Pujols Magnus (my favorite as a St Louisan), Daniel Webster, Oberlin, Thomas More, Cornell, Pac Lutheran, Caltech, Northland, and Principia.

The winless vs D3 list is now at 13:
Maine Presque Isle, Maine Maritime, Rutgers Camden, Immaculata, Ferrum, Thiel, Redlands, Santa Cruz, Linfield, Fontbonne, Greenville, Webster, and Marantha
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on December 29, 2005, 10:27:02 PM
hope won tonight  89 to 77 over john caroll
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 29, 2005, 10:30:29 PM
I'm all washed up.

Baldwin-Wallace 113, Wooster 108 (2 OT)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2005, 10:40:05 PM
IWU beats #5 Puget Sound 104-87.

With Wooster's loss, we're down to the Final Four!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2006, 10:27:40 AM
Well the dust has settled from all the Christmas Tournament activity, and here is how our perfect record teams stand....   drum roll please!!!  (I know you guys have been waiting with baited breath!!!!)

Undefeated teams drop from 13 to 11 with Woo's loss to BW and Auggie losing to Stout
Undefeated teams remaining are 11:
     Hamilton,   NYU,  Widener,  Amherst,  WPI,  IWU,  North Central,  Lawrence,  Hamp-syd,  Hope,  and CMU

Undefeated teams vs D3 only dropfrom 9 to 5;  victims were Puget Sound losing to IWU, Franklin losing to North Central, Nebraska wez losing to Whitworth, and Fisk losing to SUNY Farmingdale
Undefeated vs D3 teams only is at 5:
Bluffton,  Occidental , Wartburg, Albion, and Calvin.

Winless teams stayed status quo, except for the big NEW YEAR's EVE battle of Cornell vs Caltech.  After nearly shocking the winless world by coming within one of Rivier the night before, Caltech returned to form against previously winless Cornell, losing by 37.  Poor Cornell never knew what hit 'em and are eliminated from our list.  Pac Lutheran also got off the list by beating W&J.
Winless teams are now at 12:
Goucher, Swarthmore, Chestnut Hill, John Jay, East Naz, Albertus Pujols Magnus (my favorite as a St Louisan), Daniel Webster, Oberlin, Thomas More, Caltech, Northland, and Principia.


Winless teams vs D3 only lost only one pretender when Linfield beat Elmira.
The winless vs D3 list is now at 12:
Maine Presque Isle, Maine Maritime, Rutgers Camden, Immaculata, Ferrum, Thiel, Redlands, Santa Cruz, Fontbonne, Greenville, Webster, and Marantha
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2006, 02:00:56 PM
Hopefan, you have a real assortment of characters in the "winless vs. D3 group"!

Among others, Rutgers-Camden, Provisional-Maine Presque Isle, the northeasternmost outpost in the NCAA  (go look for Presque Isle on the map), first-year Immaculata, Ferrum, Thiel and Linfield  whose better athletes seem to be playing football  ;), the SLIAC 3 and hopefully the Gorloks will win one in conference, and finally UC Banana Slug! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2006, 05:01:03 PM
Ralph, As I have been one of the main SLIAC posters, let me guarantee you that Webster will definitely come off the list after a couple of games in conference.  They have played a difficult schedule, and while I've seen a couple of woeful performances by them against Wash U and Transy, I also saw them take Hanover to ot.  They actually have a very good shot at making the four team conference playoff.  Only Maryville seems to have distinguished themselves beyond the pack, while Principia, on the winless list, is a good bet to challenge Caltech and others to remain on the winless list all season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 01, 2006, 07:50:40 PM
I'd say we should pit Oberlin, Caltech, Principia and Albertus VO-5 Mangus in a tourney, loser take all!

Greenville travels to Wabash on Tuesday. Now, I'm not saying that it'll be a blowout, but on paper its a mismatch. Did the best player for Greenville quit after they beat the Chiropractic team?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2006, 04:42:56 PM
New and Improved AND UPDATED Survivor League

NOW THE FINAL FOUR!

Wooster-LOST to Baldwin-Wallace last Thursday

PointSpecial


Ill. Wesleyan (10-0) -Last BEAT Westmont on Friday, Dec. 30.

Upcoming Games:
Wed. Jan. 4 vs. North Central (9-0)
Sat. Jan. 7 at Carthage (3-7)

13wapiti
augiefan
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy

Worcester Polytech (9-0)-Last BEAT Roger Williams on Saturday, Dec. 10.

Upcoming Games:
Thurs. Jan. 5 at Babson (5-4)
Sat. Jan. 7 vs. Clark (4-5)

Old School

Hope (11-0)-Last BEAT John Carroll on Thurs. Dec. 29.

Upcoming Games:
Wed. Jan. 4 vs. Kalamazoo (3-8)
Sat. Jan. 7 vs. Olivet (4-7)

Flying Dutch Fan
hope1

Amherst (7-0)-Last BEAT Emmanuel on Monday, Dec. 12.

Upcoming Games:
Mon. Jan. 2 at Pomona-Pitzer (4-3)
Tues. Jan 3 at Occidential (7-1)

formerbant10
fpc85
nescac1
pinna44
titanfan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2006, 05:02:24 PM
After the four that are still alive in our survivor pool, here are the other seven.  Will any of them survive longer than our four? 

This Week's Games:

Hamilton (7-0): (East)
Wed. Jan. 4 at Washington College

NYU (9-0): (East)
Mon. Jan. 2 at Mount St. Vincent
Fri. Jan. 6 vs. Rochester
Sun. Jan. 8 vs. Carnegie Mellon

Widener (10-0): (Mid-Atlantic)
Thurs. Jan. 5 vs. Goucher
Sat. Jan. 7 at Rutgers-Camden

North Central (9-0): (Midwest)
Wed. Jan. 4 at Ill. Wesleyan
Sat. Jan. 7 at Aurora

Lawrence (8-0): (Midwest)
Sat. Jan. 7 vs. Ripon

Hampden-Sydney (9-0): (South)
Sat. Jan. 7 at Bridgewater (Va.)

Carnegie Mellon (10-0): (Great Lakes)
Mon. Jan. 2 at Bluffton
Fri. Jan. 6 at Brandeis
Sun. Jan. 8 at New York U.


Previously Unbeaten:

Augustana lost to Stout on Thurs. Dec. 29
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 02, 2006, 05:37:04 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 02, 2006, 04:42:56 PM
Amherst (7-0)-Last BEAT Emmanuel on Monday, Dec. 12.

Upcoming Games:
Mon. Jan. 2 at Pomona-Pitzer (4-3)
Tues. Jan 3 at Occidential (7-1)

A minor correction...the Lord Jeff/Sagehen game is a neutral site game (at Occidental, as part of the Oxy Classic), not at Pomona.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2006, 06:09:53 PM
DC,

Oh well.  Blame Pat. lol.  On the Amherst team link, it has it AT PP and also on the schedule link, it's listed as an away game with no * being on a neutral site.  Obviously no big deal, apparently. :-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 02, 2006, 06:48:43 PM
I think the schools are responsible for uploading their own schedules, so I blame either P-P or Amherst, rather than Pat.  But maybe I'm just blinded by the thrill of my FREE KARMA POINT!  :D

I wouldn't have mentioned it, but Oxy is a long way from Pomona in LA terms.  It's a miserable day here, as it's been raining since last night.  I'd expect the Sagehens fans would stay home, and I'd further expect the Oxy fans in attendance to be rooting against Pomona.  No matter how you slice it, it ain't a home game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2006, 07:20:44 PM
Well, I say GO P-P and/or Oxy - let's get this thing down to the 'THRILLING THREE'!  (On the other hand, I kinda enjoy the West Coast whining about lack of respect!)

With NCC@IWU and CMU@NYU this week, the ranks have to shrink.  I suspect NYU will have already fallen to Rochester; in which case I'll root for NYU.

At 10 undefeateds, I suppose it is already not THAT hard to follow, but let's reduce it to 4-5 ASAP! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 02, 2006, 09:39:18 PM
Looks like you can cheer for CMU now, I am not positive but it looks like they lost to Bluffton tonight 96-83.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2006, 11:31:46 PM
Yep, I will now cheer for CMU.

Despite initially cursing the sign-makers in Pittsburgh, once I figured out my way around, we LOVED the town.  My older son is a huge fan of the Penguins; if it came down to it, I THINK he is still a Red Wings fan, but I'm not sure!  (Despite Crosby, it looks like we won't have to worry about that Stanley Cup confrontation for a while. ;))

And, despite my earlier wishes, I have little doubt that CMU will handle NYU.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 02, 2006, 11:38:09 PM
That is unless NYU makes a strong strategic move and hires the Bluffton referees for the game!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2006, 12:25:14 AM
Not having seen the game, I ain't touching that line with a ten-foot pole! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 03, 2006, 12:32:13 AM
Well played, I was just kidding.  I just hope they use this as motivation going into conference play.  A loss is good for you every once and a while to keep you on your toes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2006, 07:53:25 AM
I didn't catch the meaning of the previous several posts until I checked over the scoreboard.....   Bluffton beats CMU, reducing our undefeated list to 10.   On the other hand, in our winless group, Caltech upholds their spot with a 38 point loss,  while Swarthmore almost is eliminated, losing by 3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2006, 09:44:44 PM
Greenville still winless vs. D-3 after Wabash bests them 82-57.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2006, 10:28:27 PM
Maine-Presque Isle barely manages to stay on the winless against d3 list, coming within 58 of Christopher Newport. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2006, 10:50:21 PM
That's a squeaker, that is!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2006, 01:10:31 AM
Oxy downs Amherst - and then there were THREE!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2006, 01:25:03 AM
Hope and IWU will certainly be tested for their undefeated credentials - is WPI this year's St. John Fisher?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2006, 09:01:09 AM

WPI's schedule is quite a bit better than Fisher's was, however, they very well could be this year's version of last year's WPI team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2006, 12:37:44 PM
lots of perfect record activity last night - I'll summarize

3 teams came off lists  :   
as mentioned before  Amherst loses to Oxy, falling off the undefeated list  -  Oxy stays unbeaten vs D3

The BANANA SLUGS of Santa Cruz drop off the winless vs D3 list, nipping Colorado College

Redlands runs off the winless vs D3 list, nipping Wheaton.

Last Night, many of our winless and winless vs D3 did us proud, with Oberlin, Maine Presque Isle, Greenville, Marantha, Webster, John Jay, Northland and Ferrum all getting thumped.


Current head count
Undefeated   9
undefeated against D3 only  5
winless  12
winless vs D3 only  10

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 04, 2006, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 04, 2006, 12:37:44 PM
Redlands runs off the winless vs D3 list, nipping Wheaton.

oh for the love of god.... I had forgottent that redlands was undefeated  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2006, 05:01:44 PM

I think you meant un-undefeated, but we understand your angst April.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 04, 2006, 07:11:10 PM
Well, they were quasi-non-undefeated since they also beat three non-D3 schools.

But still, I feel your pain...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 04, 2006, 07:58:53 PM
lol...  that's what I get for making random quick posts at work  :-[

true, and true, and thank you (x2)  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 04, 2006, 10:10:35 PM
North Central leading 66-58 against Illinois Wesleyan with under 3 minutes to go
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2006, 10:38:26 PM
IWU falls to still undefeated NCC.

Only Hope and WPI left in the pool.  One less in the overall undefeated tallies.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2006, 11:01:02 AM
Most perfect teams stayed perfect tho some of our losers came close to winning and some of our winners (ie Calvin over TriState in ot) came close to losing.   But when the dust settled, only IWU came off the undefeated group, and Wartburg came off the undefeated vs d3 group, getting nipped by Loras.

New counts after last night:
Undefeated   8
Undefeated vs D3 only   4
Winless  12
Winless vs D3 only   10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2006, 12:31:43 PM
Seeing as how its scrolled off by now, I'll update the list for everybody:

Undefeated ( 8 )

Hamilton (8-0)
Hampden-Sydney (9-0)
Hope (12-0)
Lawrence (8-0)
North Central (10-0)
NYU (10-0)
Widener (10-0)
WPI (9-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 6 )

Albion (10-1)
Bluffton (11-1)
Calvin (8-4)
Occidental (9-1)
Willamette (6-4)
Presentation (2-6)*#

Winless vs D3 only ( 15 )

Ferrum (3-9)
Fontbonne (3-7)
Greenville (1-9)
Immaculata (1-10)
Maine Maritime (2-5)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-10)
Maranatha Baptist (1-11)
Martin Luther (1-7)
Rutgers-Camden (1-10)
Thiel (2-10)
Webster (1-9)
Crown (3-5)*
La Sierra (1-11)*
Minnesota-Morris (4-6)*
Presentation (2-6)*#

Winless ( 13 )

Albertus Magnus (0-6)
Caltech (0-10)
Chestnut Hill (0-8)
Daniel Webster (0-7)
Eastern Nazarene (0-9)
Goucher (0-10)
John Jay (0-13)
Northland (0-9)
Oberlin (0-11)
Principia (0-6)
Thomas More (0-12)
Swarthmore (0-10)
Green Mountain (0-5)*

*Denotes Provisional School
#Denotes no games against d3 opponents
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2006, 12:58:44 PM
nice job hoops fan  -  your list is more complete than mine  - I somehow omitted Willamette along the way, and had not included provisionals and UMAC teams in my data base.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 05, 2006, 01:02:09 PM
I bet Presentation will fall off one of the lists on January 6th!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 05, 2006, 01:12:25 PM
Of all those undefeated teams, only HOPE and WPI remain in our survivor pool!  I HOPE WPI WINS!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2006, 01:32:30 PM

It's still a bit full, but its a good list heading into the bulk of conference play.  We'll see how small they get by the end of the year.  All the lists were down pretty small by the end of last season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 05, 2006, 02:12:27 PM
OS - You go ahead and Hope that WPI wins - I'm going to rely on the play of Hope to win   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: iwumichigander on January 05, 2006, 03:26:02 PM
Comparing the Hope & WPI schedules over the next four games, the schedule favors WPI.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2006, 04:21:16 PM

I'm not sure any of the unbeatens have a more favorable schedule than WPI over the next 15 games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2006, 04:51:27 PM
actually Babson on the road for WPI tonite could be a test...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2006, 05:07:13 PM

If it is, you were all dumb to pick WPI.  Babson is playing ok this year, but they shouldn't scare a true top ten team one bit.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 05, 2006, 10:41:42 PM
Looks like the WPI-Babson game was a close one. 57-52 final in favor of the still undefeated engineers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2006, 03:37:29 AM
Swarthmore falls off the winless list, beating Philly Bible :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2006, 09:07:29 AM

A lot of WPI's games have been close; its only a matter of time before they drop one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2006, 09:23:33 AM

Undefeated Widener beat winless Goucher by 15, extending both streaks.  Greenville beat another non-d3 team to stay on the winless vs d3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2006, 02:05:36 PM
Whoa Nelly, just noticed a HUGE game scheduled for tonite!!!!

Favorite losers Maine Presque Isle and Maine Maritime square off tonite.  But for the grace of Unity (College), whom both beat by around 50, neither of these teams would have a win.  Someone is going to fall off our winless vs D3 list!!   Point spread is Maritime giving 21.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2006, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 06, 2006, 09:07:29 AM

A lot of WPI's games have been close; its only a matter of time before they drop one.

At least they know how to win the close ones!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 06, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
QuoteFavorite losers Maine Presque Isle and Maine Maritime square off tonite.  But for the grace of Unity (College), whom both beat by around 50, neither of these teams would have a win.  Someone is going to fall off our winless vs D3 list!!   Point spread is Maritime giving 21.

Man, I can't wait to lay down my two bits on Presque Isle to cover.  ;D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2006, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 06, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
QuoteFavorite losers Maine Presque Isle and Maine Maritime square off tonite.  But for the grace of Unity (College), whom both beat by around 50, neither of these teams would have a win.  Someone is going to fall off our winless vs D3 list!!   Point spread is Maritime giving 21.

Man, I can't wait to lay down my two bits on Presque Isle to cover.  ;D

I'm scanning the television listings right now so that I can TiVo this showdown.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2006, 05:31:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2006, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 06, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
QuoteFavorite losers Maine Presque Isle and Maine Maritime square off tonite.  But for the grace of Unity (College), whom both beat by around 50, neither of these teams would have a win.  Someone is going to fall off our winless vs D3 list!!   Point spread is Maritime giving 21.

Man, I can't wait to lay down my two bits on Presque Isle to cover.  ;D

I'm scanning the television listings right now so that I can TiVo this showdown.

I believe it is only on pay-per-view.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2006, 05:31:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2006, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 06, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
QuoteFavorite losers Maine Presque Isle and Maine Maritime square off tonite.  But for the grace of Unity (College), whom both beat by around 50, neither of these teams would have a win.  Someone is going to fall off our winless vs D3 list!!   Point spread is Maritime giving 21.

Man, I can't wait to lay down my two bits on Presque Isle to cover.  ;D

I'm scanning the television listings right now so that I can TiVo this showdown.

I believe it is only on pay-per-view.

Crap! I already went out and bought the gourmet popcorn for watching the game later on.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2006, 08:15:51 PM
Gregory, use that popcorn to watch the 4th quarter of the Rose Bowl again! ;)

Hook 'Em Horns!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2006, 09:41:58 PM
Smed,

I hope you didn't find anyone to book your bet - Maine-Presque Isle did NOT cover!

WOW!  That puts Maine-Maritime in MY top 25!  (Not ;D.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2006, 09:49:20 PM
Which, I suppose, raises the question of HOW BAD is Unity?  Would 90% of highs schools beat them, or would it only be 80%? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 06, 2006, 10:09:54 PM
I think perhaps 390 or so high schools in Indiana. There is one HS, tiny Cannelton, that has been outscored this year by an average of 85-25. They have 12 boys in the program, playing both varsity AND JV, and have no one taller than 6-0 and only two players with more than two years of basketball experience, period.

Thank you Perry County News for the riveting details of Cannelton, the only HS in Indiana that Unity could beat.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2006, 10:13:29 PM
Nonetheless, I want to see that Cannelton-Unity game - it oughta be a barn-burner! ;D

What would you predict: 4-3?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2006, 10:52:14 PM
So Maine Maritime wins over Maine Presque Isle  94-67, dropping off our winless vs D3 list, and covering the spread, sending Old School to the poor farm.   Don't worry OS, we won't tell your sweetheart... what happens on D3Hoops stays on D3 Hoops ;D ;D

John Jay just misses falling off the winless list, losing by 3 to Hunter.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2006, 11:31:38 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2006, 10:52:14 PM
So Maine Maritime wins over Maine Presque Isle  94-67, dropping off our winless vs D3 list, and covering the spread, sending Old School to the poor farm.   Don't worry OS, we won't tell your sweetheart... what happens on D3Hoops stays on D3 Hoops ;D ;D

John Jay just misses falling off the winless list, losing by 3 to Hunter.

Uh, where did I come in on this?  ???  Don't remember commenting on the huge Maritime v Presque Isle game...oh well!

Anyway, I did see on the listing that that very game will be shown on ESPN Classic as an Instant Classic!  Check your local listings!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2006, 04:30:22 AM
oh no  --sorry old school  -  I looked too quick and thought it was you that had made a large wager on Presque Isle to cover the spread  -  my bad - it was smedindy!!!!!   He's the one hurtin' for change todaY!!! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2006, 04:51:33 AM
Willamette beaten badly by Whitworth, falls off the undefeated by D3 only list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on January 07, 2006, 04:35:08 PM
hope won today beating olivet  78 to  53  to go   13-0
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: titanfan on January 07, 2006, 04:51:55 PM
Scoreboard says that WPI lost.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2006, 04:53:59 PM
Clark 72, WPI 67, FINAL

And we have a winner!  Congratulations to those who picked Hope: Flying Dutch Fan and hope1!

Now, can you outlast the unbeatens who were NOT selected in the Pool? ;D

(Man, I've gotta become a faster typist!  I see titanfan scooped me!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 07, 2006, 05:23:33 PM
Huge game in the UAA tomorrow between undefeated NYU (11-0) and Carnegie Mellon (11-1).  NYU showed they are legit with a stomping of Rochester by 18 last night and CMU is also coming off an 18 point conference win over Brandeis where they led by as much as 33.  Should be a good one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 07, 2006, 10:04:56 PM
Sooooo- I guess I get to start bragging about winning (along with hope1) - unless there is some kind of cash reward - or perhaps a pair of tickets to the finals :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2006, 10:26:08 PM
Well this is one that you have to ask  -  Did they get the score right???

If so, the upset of the year

Winless(no longer) Chestnut Hill  76    Scranton  64
Scranton came into the game with an 8-2 record

And just to make it a little more remarkable, it was at Scranton, in a tourney.   The release notes That Scranton was missing 3 starters due to injury.

WOW
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2006, 11:35:21 AM
Most of our perfect teams played last night and showed real staying power.  Only 2 fell off our lists that weren't playing each other  -  the previously mentioned Chestnut Hill and WPI.  oh ok  Presentation finally played a D3 team, and lost, and Minnesota Morris beats Northland to fall off the winless vs D3 teams, but I had  not been tracking the newly formed UMAC

Of course when two perfects in the same group play each other, something's got to give:
Greenville falls off the winless vs D3, leaving Fontbonne on the list by beating them by 15

Everyone else stays!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2006, 03:36:02 PM
CMU hands NYU its first loss of the season 89-85 in two overtimes.  The unbeatens are down by one to 5 teams (Hope, Hamilton, Widener, Lawrence and North Central).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2006, 05:08:26 PM
whoa there hugenurd  -  lest anyone think there was another upset out there, the number is 6 Undefeateds  -  you forgot Hampden Sydney
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2006, 05:09:46 PM
Sorry, I guess I missed them.  My main point was the NYU lost.  Sorry again for the misinformation.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2006, 12:07:21 AM
WPI lost at HOME??? NO!!!!!!!!!!!  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2006, 12:16:48 AM
Quote from: Old School on January 09, 2006, 12:07:21 AM
WPI lost at HOME??? NO!!!!!!!!!!!  :'(

Sorry, OS, but you are history!

But congratulations on outlasting me and the others who picked the #1 team in the country (who ALSO lost at home!). ;)

[Though at least we had the grace to lose to an undefeated team!]  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2006, 01:37:09 AM
WE HAVE A WINNER:  CONGRATS TO HOPE and to Flying Dutch Fan and hope1!

Ill. Wesleyan-Last LOST to North Central on Wednesday

13wapiti
augiefan
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy

Worcester Polytech-Last LOST to Clark on Saturday

Old School

Amherst LOST to Occidental on Tuesday

formerbant10
fpc85
nescac1
pinna44
titanfan


WINNER!
Hope (11-0)-Last BEAT Olivet on Saturday

Flying Dutch Fan
hope1

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2006, 01:46:21 AM
Well, with the winner of the original Survivor League Pick Em pool already determined, I've decided to start an UNOFFICIAL Survivor League 2!

My unofficial pick of the remaining undefeated teams in D3 (remember, undefeated against all teams, any division) is:

Lawrence

Feel free to post your 2nd team.

I guess you could still technically take HOPE!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2006, 01:47:46 AM
What's the tiebreaker between hope1 and FDF?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2006, 02:10:15 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 09, 2006, 01:47:46 AM
What's the tiebreaker between hope1 and FDF?

Let's see which one can survive a January night spent outside the DeVos Fieldhouse ticket window while only wearing a pair of orange shorts.

If they both survive, the one who can eat the most condiments in one hour wins.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2006, 02:41:31 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 09, 2006, 01:47:46 AM
What's the tiebreaker between hope1 and FDF?

Should there be one?  They picked the same team!

How about which one can come closest to the Albion/Hope score! 

Technically, the both win.  There wasn't any prize offered.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on January 09, 2006, 05:17:06 AM
i pick hope   70 to   65   over albion at albion
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 09, 2006, 06:42:07 AM
And now we can concentrate on the winless and the win...ful??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 09, 2006, 06:45:59 AM
Greg - I've already survived many a January night in my orange shorts - so I think I have an unfair advantage  ;D

I think hope1 is probably pretty close on the score, and as long as Hope keeps winning, I've got my prize.  I'll say:

Hope 76  Albion 68

...and I'll stay with Hope for Survivor 2
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2006, 10:47:58 AM

After a crazy weekend, here's our new list:

Undefeated ( 6 )

Hamilton (8-0)
Hampden-Sydney (10-0)
Hope (13-0)
Lawrence (9-0)
North Central (11-0)
Widener (12-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 4 )

Albion (11-1)
Bluffton (12-1)
Calvin (9-4)
Occidental (9-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 11 )

Ferrum (4-9)
Fontbonne (3-8)
Immaculata (1-10)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-11)
Maranatha Baptist (1-11)
Martin Luther (1-8)
Rutgers-Camden (1-11)
Thiel (2-10)
Webster (1-10)
Crown (3-6)*
La Sierra (2-12)*

Winless ( 11 )

Albertus Magnus (0-6)
Caltech (0-11)
Daniel Webster (0-7)
Eastern Nazarene (0-10)
Goucher (0-11)
John Jay (0-14)
Northland (0-11)
Oberlin (0-12)
Principia (0-8)
Thomas More (0-13)
Green Mountain (0-8)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on January 09, 2006, 03:10:05 PM
I WILL TAKE HOPE TO
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2006, 04:27:41 PM
Tough call - I didn't check out the schedules, but suspect Hamilton and Widener probably have the easiest road.  But...they are probably also the weakest of the remaining 6!  Hope has a real tough week with Albion and Calvin, and EVERY week in the CCIW is tough for NCC.  Leaving HSC and Lawrence.  HSC plays RMC this week.

Lawrence it is.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2006, 07:24:12 PM
crucial for all you survivorists---  who can find out how Maine Presque Isle did yesterday vs Thomas???   
neither school has posted a score since December on their site....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2006, 07:32:29 PM
In today's LA Times, it is noted that Presque Isle had the (contiguous) nation's low temperature yesterday at -17; does that help?  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2006, 07:37:13 PM
I think I can tell you who won, but not the score.  If you go to the Jan. 9 NAC weekly report:

http://www.nacathletics.com/sportsinfo/reports/2005-06/20060109.pdf

It is says Thomas is 2-7, since their website says they are 1-6 and they lost the game against colby:

http://www.thomas.edu/athletics/mbasketball/2006%20stats/mgame11.htm

And the Maine-Presque Isle game was their next game, they must have won it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2006, 07:38:33 PM
Actually, I just found it:

http://www.nacathletics.com/scoreboard.htm

87- 70 Thomas is the victor.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2006, 07:41:53 PM
All right Hugenerd  thanks - I found that site early in the day but they didnt have the score then.....   I didn't think Presque Isle would let us down!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2006, 12:16:55 AM
For the record, my original pick for the 1st survivor pool was Lawrence, but switched it because I was afraid of that visit from #2 Oshkosh for their first game...I just had thoughts of my NFL survivor league status where I lost in the 1st week last year and made it all the way to Week 2 this year.  I went with the safe pick and I think I would've had a great shot with Hope playing Albion this week...until Clark screwed it up for me!  :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2006, 12:24:37 AM
THAT can happen when you pick a so-so team just because they have a REALLY bad schedule! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2006, 12:52:16 AM
You be quiet...I outlasted you!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2006, 01:31:36 AM
Quote from: Old School on January 10, 2006, 12:52:16 AM
You be quiet...I outlasted you!  ;D

Quite true.

But do you wish to make an argument that your team was BETTER than mine?! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2006, 01:46:46 AM
No...

Considering I got IWU at 5th and WPI 21st in Old School's poll!  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2006, 09:42:22 AM

Principia lost to Judson by 30-something, keeping them in the winless overall category.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2006, 09:35:58 PM
A post on the Empire 8 board says Hamilton fell tonite - no confirmation or details.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 10, 2006, 09:39:56 PM
The final was 84-74 in favor of Utica:

It can be found at the Empire 8 website:

http://www.empire8stats.com/schedules/mbasketball
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2006, 10:36:18 PM
NOW....we're down to five!!!!   (Hope, Hamp-Syd, NC, Lawrence, Widener).

No changes elsewhere   -   MANY games tomorrow  - including a mandatory loss twixt Hope (undefeated) - Albion (undefeated vs D3)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 10, 2006, 10:52:45 PM
I new there would be 5 left eventually ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2006, 11:18:19 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 10, 2006, 10:52:45 PM
I new there would be 5 left eventually ;D

Are you trying to challenge me for Mr. Obvious!!

Although, with six left, two could lose at the exact same instant!  ;)

Try beating 'if some are to enter the top 25, some will have to leave'! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2006, 11:24:42 PM
QuoteTry beating 'if some are to enter the top 25, some will have to leave'

Some can check out any time they like, but they can never leave!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 10, 2006, 11:39:18 PM
I had a good one in the Top 25 board one night when i wasnt thinking straight and said:

"Just another comment on the UAA.  I know most of the teams haven't played many tough games, but the conference has an overall winning percentage of 76% (53-17), including everyone being above 0.500 and two undefeated (CMU, NYU), not a bad start.  It will be interesting to see if they can keep it up. Also, that winning percentage is sure to go down once they enter league play (there has only been one league game so far, CMU over Rochester)."

That last sentence I think may rank up there with any you've got. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2006, 11:52:29 PM
How about a new one then:

We're competing for Mr. Obvious like it's an honor!

Well, no, that won't work!  I suppose there is some glory in pulling off the dumbest post of all time.  But I'm realizing that you just can't force these 'brain-fart' moments! :o ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2006, 07:12:58 AM
E Nazarene jumps off the winless list in a big way, crushing Anna Maria, 81-43.
Don't imagine we have many fans from either school, but the margin of victory here is "shocking"....  Anna had been pretty competitive in most games... wonder what happened?

Winless down to 9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2006, 09:36:48 AM
Anna Maria's top scorer and team leader, freshman Madsen Loussaint has been conspicuously absent from their line-up since they retrurned from holiday break.  They weren't a very good team before then, but now I have to say, they would lose to Caltech (no offense to Caltech) handily.  AMC already had lost their leading scorer from last year after only a game or two and their #2 and #3 guys never came back... none of these losses were to graduation.  The program is not doing well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2006, 09:46:43 AM

Updated:

Undefeated ( 5 )

Hampden-Sydney (11-0)
Hope (13-0)
Lawrence (10-0)
North Central (11-0)
Widener (12-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 4 )

Albion (11-1)
Bluffton (12-1)
Calvin (9-4)
Occidental (9-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 9 )

Ferrum (4-9)
Fontbonne (3-8)
Immaculata (1-11)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-12)
Maranatha Baptist (1-12)
Rutgers-Camden (1-11)
Thiel (2-11)
Webster (1-10)
Crown (3-7)*

Winless ( 10 )

Albertus Magnus (0-7)
Caltech (0-11)
Daniel Webster (0-8)
Goucher (0-11)
John Jay (0-14)
Northland (0-11)
Oberlin (0-12)
Principia (0-9)
Thomas More (0-13)
Green Mountain (0-8)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 11, 2006, 10:05:05 AM
QuoteMadsen Loussaint

'Tis a shame - his name is definitely memorable.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 11, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
Well, raise my rent.

The CCNY Women won a game! (Remember, they lost to Endicott earlier in the year 118-6). They beat New York City Tech 65-48.

In the heady afterglow of the big win, they crumpled to earth the next day and lost to New Paltz State 70-29.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2006, 11:20:35 AM
geesh, ask and you shall receive....  thanks hoops, a trivial question gets answered right off the bat.... I knew something must have gone sour at AM given that score.

And Smed, thanks for the update on the CCNY ladies  -  wonder how the Unity guys have been doing????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2006, 01:16:03 AM
Well just to begin with:

Hope  gone  loses to Albion
Hampden Sidney    gone   losed to Randolph Macon
Widener    gone   loses to Albright.
2 undefeateds left  -  North Central  and  Lawrence

Undefeated vs D3 stays intact  Albion, Calvin, Bluffton, and Oxy (assuming they won)

John Jay beats Brooklyn to fall off the winless list, Webster beats Westminster Mo to get off winless vs D3  -  a couple of scores not yet posted, but that may be it for the winless teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 12, 2006, 01:21:14 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 12, 2006, 01:16:03 AM
Well just to begin with:

Hope  gone  loses to Albion
Hampden Sidney    gone   losed to Randolph Macon
Widener    gone   loses to Albright.
2 undefeateds left  -  North Central  and  Lawrence

Wow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2006, 01:27:34 AM
With only two remaining, and now just conference games, which is tougher, the MWC or the CCIW?  Hmmm.  With due respect to Lawrence (whom I picked), unless you blow it big time, I think you are a lock! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 12, 2006, 01:36:16 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2006, 01:27:34 AM
With only two remaining, and now just conference games, which is tougher, the MWC or the CCIW?  Hmmm.  With due respect to Lawrence (whom I picked), unless you blow it big time, I think you are a lock! ;D

True, but Lawrence does have two tests in the next week.  Friday they play host to Grinnell and anything can happen when they play.  Also, next week Wednesday Carroll comes to the Alex.  Carroll is probably the only team that has a realistic chance to make a run for the conference title, aside from Lawrence.  Though both games are at home, it won't be a cakewalk. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2006, 09:30:42 AM
Updated:

Undefeated ( 2 )

Lawrence (10-0)
North Central (12-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 4 )

Albion (12-1)
Bluffton (13-1)
Calvin (10-4)
Occidental (10-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 8 )

Ferrum (4-10)
Fontbonne (3-9)
Immaculata (1-11)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-12)
Maranatha Baptist (1-12)
Rutgers-Camden (1-12)
Thiel (2-11)
Crown (3-7)*

Winless ( 9 )

Albertus Magnus (0-7)
Caltech (0-12)
Daniel Webster (0-8)
Goucher (0-12)
Northland (0-11)
Oberlin (0-13)
Principia (0-10)
Thomas More (0-14)
Green Mountain (0-9)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2006, 09:31:33 AM
Principia lost big to Blackburn and Green Mountain lost to Fisher.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 12, 2006, 07:39:17 PM
Fans of Unity - they are off until January 22. Hopefully they got some practices in amongst the hacky sack games!  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2006, 09:38:57 AM
Looking at last night's scores, Danny Webster acts like a winless member should, not winning by 44, but East Naz and Albertus Pujolius Magnus almost embarrass themselves by posting close losses.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2006, 09:59:31 AM
hopefan, ENaz is already off the board (check the most recent list below).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2006, 10:04:02 AM

Maranatha Baptist and Green Mountain also continued to lose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2006, 12:56:29 PM
They have a big win over Emmaus Bible (had to play them twice to do it!) but there is no way they are winning an LMC game this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 13, 2006, 01:34:33 PM
Now, while I think that Lawrence and North Central face a tall order in going unbeaten the rest of the year, what about the winless staying winless all year long.

Let's see:

Albertus Magnus (0-7) - Well, they should get win #1 against Daniel Webster at home. Should.

Caltech - I think this is pretty much a guaran-damn-tee (TM - Billy Tubbs) that they will be o-fer the year. But I do think they're getting better.

Daniel Webster (0-8) -  They could notch a win at home against Magnus. That may be about it.

Goucher (0-12) - They could spring one on Marymount or St. Mary's. What happened to them?

Northland (0-11) - That's a pretty weak league they're in. Presentation or Crown could be victims. They have a five game homestand coming up.

Oberlin (0-13) - Were tied with Denison with 3:00 to go, then lost by 8. They have nine on the roster, play seven really. Can see them getting lucky against Hiram or Kenyon, but they'd have to be lucky.

Principia (0-10) -  There is some hope of springing one on a weak member of the SLIAC. Webster and Fontbonne are likely candidates.

Thomas More (0-14) - Massey rates them as the 'best' winless team. That's sort of like being the most graceful and urbane Stooge. Maybe there's a win in there against Thiel or Westminster. Maybe.

Green Mountain (0-9)* - They have two games with Mitchell, who has only one win. They also play Word of Life Bible, which I can't find ANY info on.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2006, 02:15:05 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 13, 2006, 01:34:33 PM
Now, while I think that Lawrence and North Central face a tall order in going unbeaten the rest of the year...

On paper, I really don't see Lawrence going unbeaten the rest of the year too much of a tall order.

They have a bit of a challenge vs. Grinnell this weekend at home.  But, LU takes care of the ball and I don't see them really letting this game get away.  Carroll at home next week will be one of the tough ones, but it is at home.

The return legs to Grinnell and Carroll will be a bit tougher, with Carroll knocking off LU last year in Waukesha.  And, I think the Ripon game in Ripon is one of those "throw out the records" kind of games.

Sure, LU got upset AT HOME vs. St. Norb's last year and at Knox, but no one really sees those happening in any league. 

With that said, I definitely think LU has a lot better chance of going undefeated than North Central does, going up against the likes of IWU again, Carthage (who I think is better than their record), Augustana and Elmhurst, just to name a few off the top of my head!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 13, 2006, 02:19:15 PM
In conference play, anything can happen. That's why I said a tall order. It's not like Lawrence is in the SLIAC.

Anyway, I wonder what the attendance will be at the Albertus VO-5 Magnus game against the Devil...er...Daniel Webster???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2006, 02:55:41 PM
Smed  -- doubtful that Prin will compete with Webster  -  Webster is not as bad as their record shows, and not in the same "class"  as Prin.   Fontbonne also has better talent than the record indicates, BUT, they are playing almost ALL freshmen.   Still, I think they should handle Prin easily.   I really think Prin challenges Caltech and the New England schools for best shot at perfection. 

I was chuckling  - if we had a 64 team tourney for the weakest teams (win and you're eliminated), how stong (er weak) would the NE region be....  Albertus, Green Mountain, Daniel Webster, Mt Ida (1 Win), Mitchell (1 win), E Naz (1 win), Anna Maria (loser by 40 to E Naz) and everyone's favorite Maine Presque Isle.  Heck, teams with 2 or 3 teams wouldn't even qualify for the regional!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 13, 2006, 03:16:33 PM
Thanks hopefan. I was just looking at the records and the 'rep' of the schools. As hard as it is to go undefeated in conference play, it's equally hard to go winless unless you're in a Caltech situation. And Principia wasn't horrible last year. What happened there?

I do think that Oberlin has a great shot as well of being unloved throughout the year.

The NE region would be odds on faves to 'win' that tourney!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2006, 03:35:13 PM
Smed  -  Prin graduated 4 starters from last year  - over 75% of their scoring and rebounding  -  I did a preview last March of the upcoming season based on hypothetical returners (see page 1 of SLIAC postups) and called for a tough rebuilding year for them.  They were actually pretty decent last year  (relatively speaking at the SLIAC level).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2006, 04:36:54 AM
Well, our undefeateds got cut in half as North Central is nipped by Millikin.  Congrats to Lawrence on being our last undefeated team

Undefeated against D3 also took a big hit as Calvin loses to Hope, and Bluffton gets skewered by Transy.  Only Albion and Occidental survive in this group.

Albertus Magnus crushes Daniel Webster to fall off the winless group, and Thomas More wins its first against Thiel.  Winless are at 7 including Goucher, Green Mountain, Caltech, Daniel Webster, Oberlin, Northland, and Principia.

One of our winless vs D3 won vs D3... Crown beats Presentation   ... all others lose making our list at 7...  Thiel, Ferrum,  Fontbonne, Immaculata, Marantha, Rut-Cam, and Maine Presque Isle.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2006, 10:31:14 AM
Caltech may not have left the winless list, but in yesterday's game they were within three points of Pomona-Pitzer -- one of the two top teams in the SCIAC this season -- with under two minutes to go.

it's not a win, but it ought to count for something.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 09:25:20 AM
Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (10-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 2 )

Albion (13-1)
Occidental (11-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 7 )

Ferrum (4-11)
Fontbonne (3-10)
Immaculata (1-12)
Maranatha Baptist (1-13)
Rutgers-Camden (1-13)
Thiel (2-12)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-12)*

Winless ( 7 )

Caltech (0-13)
Daniel Webster (0-10)
Goucher (0-13)
Northland (0-12)
Oberlin (0-14)
Principia (0-11)
Green Mountain (0-11)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2006, 12:39:51 PM
UMPI is also provisional.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 12:41:20 PM
I thought so; I'm not sure how I missed that??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 12:44:42 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2006, 10:31:14 AM
Caltech may not have left the winless list, but in yesterday's game they were within three points of Pomona-Pitzer -- one of the two top teams in the SCIAC this season -- with under two minutes to go.

it's not a win, but it ought to count for something.


Maybe Caltech can run with Redlands; that looks to be their only shot, unless someone in the conference doesn't notice how decent they are this year and overlooks them (a la P-P this weekend).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2006, 12:55:12 PM
hoops fan, though these pages haven't caught up with it yet, Crown beat Presentation on Saturday, falling off our list of winless vs D3.   :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 01:37:13 PM

Curse my huried pace.  Usually I check for unreported scores, but I was in a hurry this morning.  I'll fix it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 01:46:50 PM

Northland beat Baptist Luthern as well, so I'm just going to repost.  I couldn't find the score of the ME-PI game.

Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (10-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 2 )

Albion (13-1)
Occidental (11-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 7 )

Ferrum (4-11)
Fontbonne (3-10)
Immaculata (1-12)
Maranatha Baptist (1-13)
Rutgers-Camden (1-13)
Thiel (2-12)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-12)*

Winless ( 6 )

Caltech (0-13)
Daniel Webster (0-10)
Goucher (0-13)
Oberlin (0-14)
Principia (0-11)
Green Mountain (0-11)*

*Denotes Provisional School

Just to add... this (http://www.umpi.maine.edu/cms/athletics/mbasketball/mbb_team-20041124139/) is one of the scariest things I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 16, 2006, 02:25:41 PM
Were those mug shots...?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2006, 04:00:37 PM
good job Hoops  -  I assumed Northland vs Bethany Luth was automatic  -  not so

Also, the Maine Presque Isle page, which is new since I looked at it a month ago---- PRICELESS  ----  especially for what might be the worst team of close to 1000 NCAA teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 04:20:09 PM

What's even better is that its still last year's team as far as I can tell.  The top of the page says 2004-2005 and the mugs don't match the group shot on the main men's basketball page.  Although we kid, we do love.  There's just not much you can do when you're a really small school nestled farther north than Quebec City and just rediculously far away from, well, everything.  Although, I'd bet money their Nordic Ski team is lights out.

I still can't find that score.  I wonder how Pat's been getting them?

Also, according to Massey, Principia is the worst team in DIII and by quite a bit.  Although that was only for games through the 8th, but I can't imagine too much has changed.  If you look at all colleges together, even Unity (the team Presque Isle beat up on by 54) is above like a dozen schools.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2006, 05:40:09 PM
Well, I'll see Principia in the next two weeks when they play Maryville....  in their defense, they had a good team last year, relatively speaking, so it's hard for me to imagine, even though we know that they took major hits to graduation, that they could be THAT bad, given a natural recruiting flow of kids from small Illinois schools (I picture the small town central Illinois kid shooting at a hoop on the barn)  ... they GOTTA be better than Presque Isle????

Dang, if we only had our 32 worst tourney at season's end, the one where it's one win and out....  it would be a classic.   Maybe someone with lots of imagination should do a fantasy tourney on these pages.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 16, 2006, 05:48:24 PM
It's approximately 3,350 driving miles from Presque Isle, ME to Pasadena, CA, if you take the shortcut through Canada.  I wonder if there are two D3 schools farther apart than Maine-Presque Isle and Caltech?  And yet, they seem to have so much in common!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2006, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 16, 2006, 01:46:50 PMJust to add... this (http://www.umpi.maine.edu/cms/athletics/mbasketball/mbb_team-20041124139/) is one of the scariest things I have ever seen.

I started reading it, but my eyes glazed over when I got to the words "high-flying Canadian".  :D

Quote from: hopefan on January 16, 2006, 05:40:09 PM
Well, I'll see Principia in the next two weeks when they play Maryville....  in their defense, they had a good team last year, relatively speaking, so it's hard for me to imagine, even though we know that they took major hits to graduation, that they could be THAT bad, given a natural recruiting flow of kids from small Illinois schools (I picture the small town central Illinois kid shooting at a hoop on the barn)  ... they GOTTA be better than Presque Isle????

A lot of the teams that dwell in the two odious lists that this room compiles have built-in institutional peculiarities that make building a good basketball program a Sisyphean task. UMPI, for instance, is (as Hoops Fan said) a campus so remote from civilization that it takes a dogsled to get there in winter. Oberlin has a highly-pronounced and well-known "granola and Birkenstocks" campus culture that if anything is even further to the left than Cal-Berkeley's. It's quite possible that most prospects find that atmosphere to be off-putting, and although my contact with the school is limited I would imagine that it's equally possible that the Oberlin administration is not inclined to support athletics for similar reasons. Caltech has to climb what might be the ultimate Everest in terms of building a team in that the school is not only highly exclusive, it also doesn't have an admissions department -- a committee of tenured faculty evaluates all applications and decides who gets accepted into Caltech and who doesn't. Small wonder that Caltech coach Roy Dow only gets one or two players a year who had even tried out for their high school teams.

Principia is a Christian Science school, and I'm sure that the school's close affiliation with such a small and unusual sect plays a large role in their inability to recruit well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 16, 2006, 06:19:24 PM
Is it true Maine-PI has a 6-10 Center?

Next tallest player is 6-3

Also does it just seem wrong that the Nordic Ski team season will last 2 weeks past Salem?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2006, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: sac on January 16, 2006, 06:19:24 PM
Also does it just seem wrong that the Nordic Ski team season will last 2 weeks past Salem?

In Presque Isle it lasts 2 weeks past the NBA finals! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2006, 06:49:17 PM
The most charming thing about our Nordic Skiing friends in northeastern Maine is the verbal shorthand for the school. A friend of mine from my North Park student days now lives up by the Canadian border in even-more-remote New Sweden, Maine, and he tells me that the folks Down East refer to UMPI as "Umpy" (rhymes with "lumpy").

I think it's interesting how some schools that are known primarily by their acronyms have their names spelled out verbally -- UNLV is "you-en-el-vee", UIC is "you-eye-see" -- while others have them pronounced as whole words -- UMPI's one, and UTEP, which is in the news a lot at the moment because of the new movie Glory Road, is "you-tepp".

For some reason, when I was a North Park student the "in" thing for the Swedish students on campus was to acquire a UCLA shirt. I'm not completely certain why UCLA was so popular with Swedes, although I'm sure it has something to do with the fact that Los Angeles seems to be such a popular tourist destination for Europeans. Anyway, this was an endless source of amusement to us American-bred Parkers, because in their earnest ignorance the Swedes referred to UCLA as "ook-la" rather than "you-see-el-ay". To this day I can't look at the acronym for the home of the Bruins without hearing a voice with a Swedish accent in my head asking me where to find an "ook-la shirt".

I've always gotten a kick out of the fact that UWSP fans refer to their rivals in Oshkosh as "you-double-you-zero".  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2006, 06:57:05 PM
What I find interesting about UCLA is that (uniquely, as far as I can come up with), while the school is you-see-el-ay, representatives of the school are nearly universally called you-clans!  (Or is that ewe-clans?! ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 16, 2006, 07:02:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2006, 06:49:17 PM




For some reason, when I was a North Park student the "in" thing for the Swedish students on campus was to acquire a UCLA shirt. I'm not completely certain why UCLA was so popular with Swedes ....

Greg: Perhaps it was that UCLA's colors approximate the Swedish national colors.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2006, 07:20:53 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 16, 2006, 07:02:35 PMGreg: Perhaps it was that UCLA's colors approximate the Swedish national colors.

That thought occurred to me as well, but one of the peculiar things about most Swedes of my acquaintance is their anal-retentive attitude towards their national colors. UCLA's colors are sky blue and gold; Sweden's national colors (and NPU's colors, too, not coincidentally) are royal blue and gold.

I once heard a bunch of Swedes hector an Augustana student at a college retreat in Eau Claire, WI over the fact that Augustana, a school that like NPU was founded by Swedish immigrants, abandoned the proper colors of the motherland and instead adopted navy blue and gold as their school colors. No, I am not making this up, although it sounds too weird to be believed. I'm just glad that there weren't any Gustavus Adolphus students (black and gold) standing there at that moment.

(Although maybe it's not all that weird; perhaps there are plenty of Americans who would be bothered if they went overseas and saw the American national colors portrayed as red, white, and sky blue.)

I've developed some of that same attitude, as one of my (many) pet peeves about Wheaton is the fact that the North Park banner hanging in King Arena (CCIW schools all have the banners of the league's eight members hanging in their gyms) does not have the proper colors. Wheaton's NPU banner is navy blue and gold, like Augie's, rather than the proper royal blue and gold. I was just looking at it again on Saturday night, and it galled me enough to bring it to the attention of some of the North Park alumni with whom I was sitting.

Anal-retentiveness must be contagious.  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 16, 2006, 07:55:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2006, 06:49:17 PM
I think it's interesting how some schools that are known primarily by their acronyms have their names spelled out verbally -- UNLV is "you-en-el-vee", UIC is "you-eye-see" -- while others have them pronounced as whole words -- UMPI's one, and UTEP, which is in the news a lot at the moment because of the new movie Glory Road, is "you-tepp".

Some others are hybrids.  My niece introduced me to her friend yeserday, telling me that she went to a school that sounded like "See-sun."  Being a lawyer, I immediately thought she meant "Seizin," of course, and conjured up a right-wing California school dedicated to the study of absolute property rights.  But it turns out she meant "C-SUN," or California State University at Northridge.   :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 16, 2006, 08:15:24 PM
I think it kind of depends if the name CAN be pronounced...

UNLV="Un-Luv" sort of works, but I don't know that someone would want to attend such a hateful place... UIC="oo-IC?"  Sound like what a college student discovering a chicken salad left in their dorm freezer over Christmas break.  And it was my ROOMMATE, not me!    :(  :o  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 17, 2006, 03:19:59 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2006, 07:20:53 PM
I've developed some of that same attitude, as one of my (many) pet peeves about Wheaton is the fact that the North Park banner hanging in King Arena (CCIW schools all have the banners of the league's eight members hanging in their gyms) does not have the proper colors. Wheaton's NPU banner is navy blue and gold, like Augie's, rather than the proper royal blue and gold. I was just looking at it again on Saturday night, and it galled me enough to bring it to the attention of some of the North Park alumni with whom I was sitting.

Anal-retentiveness must be contagious.  :D

Actually Greg, the NPU banner used to be royal blue, till I stole it. Schools with the colors orange and blue like to steal banners.

if anal retentiveness is contagious, it is rather unfortunate that I've been unable to spread my case to those around me.  :D

While we're on school abbreviations... guys, it's not Rochester! That's not how you say it! It's U of R! (I'm sure Greg can back me up on this one.) Though I can't imagine why I of all people would be concerned about whether or not Rochester is offended by something.  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2006, 04:03:42 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 17, 2006, 03:19:59 AMActually Greg, the NPU banner used to be royal blue, till I stole it. Schools with the colors orange and blue like to steal banners.

Doesn't Wheaton's student pledge cover the eighth commandment, April? If not, then that is a truly lamentable loophole.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2006, 09:14:49 AM

I'm sorry I missed that thrilling conversation yesterday evening.

Anyway, to update on the survivors:  Still no score from Presque Isle for Sunday's game.  Neither school has updated their results page since before they left for Christmas.

Also, Thiel lost to Waynesburg last night to stay alive as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 02:45:04 PM
I did my power rating compendium, finally, and here's the bottom 10 for all you fans of the unloved.

394. Principia
393. Daniel Webster
392. Maine - Presque Isle
391. Maranatha Baptist
390. D'Youville
389. Albertus VO5 Mangus
388. Centenary (NJ)
387. Anna Maria
386. Eastern Nazarene
385. Bard

Where are the other winless?

384. Northland
383. Cal Tech (they have a good SOS, comparitively, and Massey likes them a little)
373. Oberlin
367. Goucher
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2006, 04:11:37 PM
hoops, where do our winless vs d3 only stand - I'd imagine several of them would be the rest of your 380's or 370's
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 04:14:34 PM
Uh, that's me, not hoops. Let me check.

Ferrum (4-11) - 322
Fontbonne (3-10) - 352
Immaculata (1-12) - 376
Maranatha Baptist (1-13) - 391
Rutgers-Camden (1-13) - 375
Thiel (2-12) - 382
Maine-Presque Isle (1-12)*- 292

I also noticed that Green Mountain isn't listed. Are they in their first transitional year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2006, 04:27:13 PM

Cal Tech is pretty good this year.  I think they could beat up on a dozen or so teams in d3, unfortunately not anyone of their schedule.  They will still have to catch someone sleeping to get a win.

I'm not sure Green Mountain was even listed on d3hoops.com until around Christmas time; they just came out of nowhere.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 04:30:20 PM
Massey and Wolfe both have them at D-2. At any rate, they'd be near the bottom just eyeballing it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2006, 04:32:04 PM
sorry Smed  -  you and hoops provide so much, i got mixed up.   Green Mountain was listed in the NCAA Basketball papers as a D2.  Early on I was amazed that a D2 school was getting crushed by weak D3 schools.  I believe it was Ralph who first said that they were on a list to become D3.  

Green Mountain  -  I was an RPI frat guy, and on occasion, one of boys would show up with a weekender from Green Mountain  -  they were pretty free thinkin' young ladies back in the late 60's......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2006, 06:10:27 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 02:45:04 PM
I did my power rating compendium, finally, and here's the bottom 10 for all you fans of the unloved.

394. Principia
393. Daniel Webster
392. Maine - Presque Isle
391. Maranatha Baptist
390. D'Youville
389. Albertus VO5 Mangus
388. Centenary (NJ)
387. Anna Maria
386. Eastern Nazarene
385. Bard

I see that five of the bottom ten are from the Northeast Region. I guess you can call the Northeast the anti-Great Lakes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2006, 06:10:27 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 02:45:04 PM
I did my power rating compendium, finally, and here's the bottom 10 for all you fans of the unloved.

394. Principia
393. Daniel Webster
392. Maine - Presque Isle
391. Maranatha Baptist
390. D'Youville
389. Albertus VO5 Mangus
388. Centenary (NJ)
387. Anna Maria
386. Eastern Nazarene
385. Bard

I see that five of the bottom ten are from the Northeast Region. I guess you can call the Northeast the anti-Great Lakes.

...which will prompt another discussion about how the Conference-QOWI should be considered as the NESCAC is loading up on cupcake 14-15 point QOWI wins in the Northeast Region. >:( ::) :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 07:07:55 PM
And you know, some of the elite D-1 snobs who look down on D-3 can just point to some of those D-3 teams in their neighborhood (and teams like John Jay, Hunter, CCNY, etc. in NYC). Sigh.

Ralph, the NCAA really needs to make SOS a consideration. They know how to do it, the RPI that the D-1 tourney uses is a pretty decent tool, especially since it rewards teams for winning on the road and penalizes teams for loading up on cupcakes at home.

Didn't Fawn Leibowitz go to Green Mountain??  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 17, 2006, 07:09:18 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 04:14:34 PM

Maine-Presque Isle (1-12)*- 292


Does anyone besides me think that any rankings that have Maine - Presque Isle above MORE THAN 100 teams is automatically suspect! ;D

[NEVER MIND, I see that the posting of the 'winless against d3' was just a typo - they are actually 392 on the original bottom ten!]
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 17, 2006, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2006, 04:03:42 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 17, 2006, 03:19:59 AMActually Greg, the NPU banner used to be royal blue, till I stole it. Schools with the colors orange and blue like to steal banners.

Doesn't Wheaton's student pledge cover the eighth commandment, April? If not, then that is a truly lamentable loophole.  ;)

http://www.wheaton.edu/welcome/cov/comcov.html

It's actually really an incredible document.... though there's nothing specific about theft  ;D

...and don't you dare start lecturing me about the specific duties of a christian... I was the one who went to Wheaton instead of North Park.  :P :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 07:25:31 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 07:07:55 PM
...Ralph, the NCAA really needs to make SOS a consideration. They know how to do it, the RPI that the D-1 tourney uses is a pretty decent tool, especially since it rewards teams for winning on the road and penalizes teams for loading up on cupcakes at home. ...

Smed, the legislative proposal was withdrawn before it could recieve a vote.  I was told, by a source that I believe, that the thinking was not to "hand-tie" the NCAA on this issue.

I believe that it will be sent back to committee for re-evaluation.  Any change of this policy would likely be implemented across all sports.  I will bet the competition gets the Holiday proposal and the QOWI and they get "tweaked" as suggested by Roanoke's Page Moir on Hoopsville last Tuesday night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 09:44:54 PM
QuoteDoes anyone besides me think that any rankings that have Maine - Presque Isle above MORE THAN 100 teams is automatically suspect!

[NEVER MIND, I see that the posting of the 'winless against d3' was just a typo - they are actually 392 on the original bottom ten!]

Be nice, I'm on cold medication today.  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 09:46:26 PM
QuoteSmed, the legislative proposal was withdrawn before it could recieve a vote.  I was told, by a source that I believe, that the thinking was not to "hand-tie" the NCAA on this issue.

I believe that it will be sent back to committee for re-evaluation.  Any change of this policy would likely be implemented across all sports.  I will bet the competition gets the Holiday proposal and the QOWI and they get "tweaked" as suggested by Roanoke's Page Moir on Hoopsville last Tuesday night.

What was that 'tweak' that was suggested? I was watching Indiana beat Illinois (thank goodness!) and then Notre Dame's women on CSTV.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 17, 2006, 09:47:31 PM
ohh! ohh! I know! it's going to be lawrence!  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 17, 2006, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 07:07:55 PM
And you know, some of the elite D-1 snobs who look down on D-3 can just point to some of those D-3 teams in their neighborhood (and teams like John Jay, Hunter, CCNY, etc. in NYC). Sigh.

Ralph, the NCAA really needs to make SOS a consideration. They know how to do it, the RPI that the D-1 tourney uses is a pretty decent tool, especially since it rewards teams for winning on the road and penalizes teams for loading up on cupcakes at home.

Didn't Fawn Leibowitz go to Green Mountain??  ;D

She did but when the Green Mountain dropped the ceramics program she transferred to a school near Faber College.

Her friends still don't see what Dawn saw in that guy.   EWWWWWWWWWWW!

You mind if we dance wif yo dates?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 09:52:58 PM

Quoteohh! ohh! I know! it's going to be lawrence!   

:D

But now the question is WILL Lawrence lose?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 17, 2006, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 09:52:58 PM

Quoteohh! ohh! I know! it's going to be lawrence!   

:D

But now the question is WILL Lawrence lose?

Well, they still have Carroll both home and away plus @Grinnell - I'm gonna say they lose at least ONE of those games (best odds - at Carroll).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 17, 2006, 10:07:32 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 07:07:55 PM
And you know, some of the elite D-1 snobs who look down on D-3 can just point to some of those D-3 teams in their neighborhood (and teams like John Jay, Hunter, CCNY, etc. in NYC). Sigh.


Well the Atlantic region is basically the NJAC and a couple of other teams of the moment from the Skyland and the CUNY.  It is worth remembering that the CUNY teams have a very high transfer rate and are primarily commuter schools.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 10:17:01 PM
Oh, we all know that - but some people don't know that and cast aspersions at the lot of D-3 based on their neighborhood.

There are some D-1 'commuter' schools as well that have a pretty high turnover rate, especially now since the 5/8 rule was lifted.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 10:29:23 PM
And Green Mountain gets pasted by Ithaca 96-47

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=54978

That Adam Fisher kid scored 30 points, had 13 boards and the only 3 assists for Green Mountain.

And he's from FLORIDA??? What is he doing there?

And how bad would they be without him??

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 10:41:37 PM
smed, I think that the "tweaking" will be the careful study and the analysis of the impact of "In-region" on Pool B and Pool C bids.

I also think that the "Conference SOS/QOWI" will be sent to something like the Championship Committee that will be brought back to the NCAA.

Of course, any change in the Pools must be evaluated across all sports.  We just rant about football and basketball.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2006, 01:12:34 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 17, 2006, 07:18:42 PM...and don't you dare start lecturing me about the specific duties of a christian... I was the one who went to Wheaton instead of North Park.  :P :D :D :D

... and I was the one who went to North Park instead of Wheaton, because I like looking at banners rather than stealing them.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2006, 01:19:15 AM
Quote from: knightstalker on January 17, 2006, 09:52:46 PMShe did but when the Green Mountain dropped the ceramics program she transferred to a school near Faber College.

Emily Dickinson College. Stay away from the kilns if you ever visit the campus.

Quote from: knightstalker on January 17, 2006, 09:52:46 PMYou mind if we dance wif yo dates?

Otis! My man!

Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 10:29:23 PMThat Adam Fisher kid scored 30 points, had 13 boards and the only 3 assists for Green Mountain.

And he's from FLORIDA??? What is he doing there?

The Ben & Jerry's is fresher, dude.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 18, 2006, 01:33:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 17, 2006, 10:02:14 PM
Well, they still have Carroll both home and away plus @Grinnell - I'm gonna say they lose at least ONE of those games (best odds - at Carroll).

I wouldn't rule out the return leg to Ripon though.  One of those "throw out the records" conference rival games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2006, 06:12:17 AM
a score noted in this morning's paper


Kentucky Christian  139
Circleville Bible   28               :o :o :o :o :o

Have I stumbled on a new cult team???

This calls for an investigation.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 09:07:36 AM
Gregory Sager, four quick comebacks in a row...like hitting from beyond the arc on four straight possessions! :D :D :D ;)

ROTFLMAO and have a good day!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 09:56:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2006, 01:19:15 AM

Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2006, 10:29:23 PMThat Adam Fisher kid scored 30 points, had 13 boards and the only 3 assists for Green Mountain.

And he's from FLORIDA??? What is he doing there?

The Ben & Jerry's is fresher, dude.

Hey, when I moved out of Vermont I was appalled that you all had to pay 5 bucks for a pint.  It was like a $1.25 where I lived.  Maybe he likes to ski.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 10:04:41 AM

Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (12-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 2 )

Albion (13-1)
Occidental (11-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 7 )

Ferrum (4-12)
Fontbonne (3-10)
Immaculata (1-12)
Maranatha Baptist (1-14)
Rutgers-Camden (1-13)
Thiel (2-13)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-13)*

Winless ( 6 )

Caltech (0-13)
Daniel Webster (0-11)
Goucher (0-13)
Oberlin (0-14)
Principia (0-11)
Green Mountain (0-12)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pufin on January 18, 2006, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 18, 2006, 06:12:17 AM
a score noted in this morning's paper


Kentucky Christian  139
Circleville Bible   28               :o :o :o :o :o

Have I stumbled on a new cult team???

This calls for an investigation.....

Thinking of DHF and Greg's Christian back and forth, I wonder how Christian it was of Kentucky Christian to beat Circleville Bible by 111?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 18, 2006, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: pufin on January 18, 2006, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 18, 2006, 06:12:17 AM
a score noted in this morning's paper


Kentucky Christian  139
Circleville Bible   28               :o :o :o :o :o

Have I stumbled on a new cult team???

This calls for an investigation.....

Thinking of DHF and Greg's Christian back and forth, I wonder how Christian it was of Kentucky Christian to beat Circleville Bible by 111?

Tis a smitting of biblical proportions it tis.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2006, 01:38:19 PM
Circleville Bible, is in Circleville, Ohio..   Massey ratings have them at No. 1353, but the only team they have beaten per the games Massey has tracked, is Washington Bilble, who is rated no 1473 out of 1476.   Per Massey, Circleville rates far ahead of this site's favorites such as Maine Presque Isle (1446) or Principia (1439).  I don't know, based on that Kentucky Christian score, I think our D3 boys could give them a game!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2006, 01:41:25 PM

Grace and pity are very different things.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 18, 2006, 02:03:15 PM
I do know that those Bible and Christian schools are really under the radar. I thought I knew all of the teams in Indiana, but Heritage Baptist is one I had no idea about.

http://www.hbuonline.edu/eagles_basketball/

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2006, 12:16:20 AM
Haven't really checked out the scores too much, but down here in the SLIAC, Fontbonne crushed Principia   -   Fontbonne graduates off the winless vs D3 list, Principia cements its spot on the winless list.   I'm beginning to think Prin may deserve to challenge Dan Webster and Maine Presque Isle for being the bottom of the D3 ratings.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2006, 12:29:18 AM
Whoa - I see on the front page that Goucher beats Mary Washington by one - off the Winless list!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 19, 2006, 08:37:22 AM
Well, hopefan, they ARE at the bottom!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2006, 09:22:54 AM
Actually, Smed, Prin is in "next to the Bottom" spot, ahead of Maine Presque Isle in the latest Massey ratings.  Don't know if that includes last night's 40 point lost to previously winless vs D3 Fontbonne, which COULD certainly boost their argument for being last.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2006, 09:28:46 AM
Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (13-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 2 )

Albion (14-1)
Occidental (12-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 6 )

Ferrum (4-12)
Immaculata (1-13)
Maranatha Baptist (1-15)
Rutgers-Camden (1-14)
Thiel (2-14)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-13)*

Winless ( 5 )

Caltech (0-14)
Daniel Webster (0-12)
Oberlin (0-15)
Principia (0-12)
Green Mountain (0-12)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 19, 2006, 09:53:14 AM
I was talking about MY list, though  ;D



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 19, 2006, 10:19:45 AM
Oberlin may not win any basketball games but they could have one of the most talented pep-bands in the country (if they have a pep band).  They also probably have one of the finest choirs west of the Delaware, east of the Delaware it is probably Westminster Choir College at Princeton.  Maybe the best school to study voice in the US.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on January 19, 2006, 11:56:21 AM
Re; Oberlin,

Potsdam has better basketball (2 national titles, 5 final fours, elite 8 last year) , a great pep band, a 600 student nationally known music school (Crane - alma mater of Renee Fleming) and a choral tradition that is as good as any.

Westminster is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Rider University - a D-I school, so they probably don't count as a standalone school.

Bet you St. Olaf & Concordia in Minnesota, and Luther in Iowa would all argue with you re: choral tradition west of the Delaware.  They can all hold their own in that department.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 19, 2006, 12:36:37 PM
When did Westminster get taken over by Rider, they were associated with Princeton several years ago when a couple of friends transferred there from NJCU.  I am basing my Oberlin Choir comment on personal listening.  They are better than many professional choirs and as good as many of the renowned international choirs.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2005, 10:17:05 PM
Thanks to the music program at St Olaf College.  While traveling on Christmas Eve, I heard the St Olaf Christmas Festival performance via American Public Media.

http://americanpublicmedia.publicradio.org/programs/st_olaf_xmas/

It was as fine a performance as I have heard over the airways.  I can see why it is one lottery ticket to covet in the state of Minnesota.  It must be spectacular to hear in person.

I wish each of you a very Happy New Year, but thank St Olaf for the reverent hour we spent together that Christmas Eve afternoon. :)


I posted this on the MIAC board!  A really good choir!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 19, 2006, 12:57:17 PM
I'd take Oberlin in a battle of the D-3 music schools!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 01:36:02 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D

Bring 'em on!

My basses can trash talk better than your first tenors!

:D :D :D :D :D

Sure do wish we had a musical icon! ;)  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 19, 2006, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 19, 2006, 12:57:17 PM
I'd take Oberlin in a battle of the D-3 music schools!

Is this Classical, Jazz or overall competition.  I'd be willing to place money on NJCU or WPU in the Jazz competition.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2006, 03:03:13 PM

Man, now we've reverted to choirs.  This is one step beyond the CCIW divergence to Soccer teams a while back.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: larry_u on January 19, 2006, 03:47:10 PM
In a musical/basketball combiation, I'll take Lawrence.  One of the best music schools in the country, a bit less pompous then Oberlin, and last time I checked was still the only team in the coutry undefeated....

Yep....LU wins
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2006, 07:26:36 PM
IWU's music school is VERY highly regarded; it is the alma mater of opera diva Dawn Peters among many others.  (And despite recent losses and close calls, its bball is usually not TOO shabby!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thevicar on January 19, 2006, 09:35:26 PM
The three best DIII music schools are Rochester (Eastman), Oberlin and Lawrence, hands down. There are a lot of other great music schools out there, and yes St. Olaf and Luther have great choirs and i'm sure there are a lot of good small jazz programs out there, but as far as all around music conservatories, Rochester, Oberlin and Lawrence (probably in that order, though it depends on the specific studio) far outrank any other DIII music schools. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 19, 2006, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: thevicar on January 19, 2006, 09:35:26 PM
The three best DIII music schools are Rochester (Eastman), Oberlin and Lawrence, hands down. There are a lot of other great music schools out there, and yes St. Olaf and Luther have great choirs and i'm sure there are a lot of good small jazz programs out there, but as far as all around music conservatories, Rochester, Oberlin and Lawrence (probably in that order, though it depends on the specific studio) far outrank any other DIII music schools. 

Well seeing as they are conservatories they should be better schools.  The majority of D3 music schools are part of a liberal arts university or college.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 20, 2006, 01:09:33 AM
Heeey! The Wheaton College music conservatory is pretty excellent. As someone who applied to the Lawrence music conservatory, but who passed over the Wheaton one because the requirements were more stringent, and who owns choir CDs from both schools (the LarryU one was sent to me for free) I am pretty confident that the Wheaton Conservatory is right up there with the best DIII music programs.

I'd quickly acknowledge that Eastman is by far the best... even if it's just because my mom, who attended there, would beat me if I didn't admit it!  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 20, 2006, 01:23:12 AM
Well, my dad runs a great summer music camp in Stevens Point!  :D  He went to the Julliard School of Music and he's played with the big boys like James Walker with Free Flight and has also played at the annual National Flute Convention, among other things.  Me, I'm adopted and can't even play chopsticks on the piano.  ???  Stevens Point may not be the greatest DIII music school in the world, but there's one heck of a professor that works there! lol.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2006, 02:05:24 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 20, 2006, 01:09:33 AMI'd quickly acknowledge that Eastman is by far the best... even if it's just because my mom, who attended there, would beat me if I didn't admit it!  :D

As long as she didn't make you eat tennis shoes encrusted in swamp mud over it. I know how sensitive those U of R people can be.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 20, 2006, 09:09:23 AM
So anyway....is there any hope for the wretched this weekend?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 20, 2006, 01:56:47 PM
Lawrence plays at St. Norb's.  They should win that.  The Green Knights are 3-10 and 1-5 in the MWC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thevicar on January 20, 2006, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 20, 2006, 01:56:47 PM
Lawrence plays at St. Norb's.  They should win that.  The Green Knights are 3-10 and 1-5 in the MWC.

Hey now...i'm knocking on wood for you, but such lapses of supersticious judgement should be avoided at all costs in the future...

signed
A Lawrence fan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2006, 04:26:15 PM
ok Smed, end of the day, let's take a look at the weekend for our wretched

Caltech has Claremont Mudd at home   -  last year, Cal actually gave them a game at home, losing by 12.  They'll be happy to lose each half by 12 this year
CMS by 28

Daniel Webster goes to Suffolk  - - let's see, suffolk beat Albertus by 40, Albertus beat Danny boy by 36....
Suffolk by 38

Oberlin home vs Earlham  -  until Oberlin lost by 25 to Allegheny, they had been playing close vs other mid level teams - there's a remote possibility here, but the swami says Earlham by 24

Principia at Webster - in my back yard - it won't be close, but the Webster coach is a good guy and won't run the score up    Webster by 30

Green Mountain doesn't play, but they lost to Lyndon State, 92 - 49 last night.

And for our winless vs d3....
Ferrum has Christopher Newport and Shenandoah at home - GONE -  At home, Ferrum has a real chance against either.

Immaculata at Eastern - IC has come close in league several times and will get a D3 win this season, but not at Eastern

Marantha has Edgewood at home  -  Edgewood seems to be inconsistent this season, and has had some close games against some bad teams.  But Marantha is REALLY bad.... Edgewood easily

Rutgers Camden hosts Rutgers Newark -  inpast years, both of these teams could come into this game winless, but Newark has gotten better - no hope for Camden

Thiel has W&J at home the home court advantage will help Thiel - W&J has been improving, but this game could be close.

Maine Presque Isle - playing non NCAAD3 team St Joe's Vermont.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2006, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 20, 2006, 04:26:15 PM
ok Smed, end of the day, let's take a look at the weekend for our wretched

Caltech has Claremont Mudd at home   -  last year, Cal actually gave them a game at home, losing by 12.  They'll be happy to lose each half by 12 this year
CMS by 28

The Beavers' narrow loss to Pomona-Pitzer the other day (57-48; only down 3 inside of 2:00 left) has me juiced; I'm going to try to get to the game tomorrow.  I definitely want to be there when the Techsters snap that 20-year streak of losing in the SCIAC.  Could it be tomorrow?  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2006, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 20, 2006, 04:26:15 PM

Thiel has W&J at home the home court advantage will help Thiel - W&J has been improving, but this game could be close.

Maine Presque Isle - playing non NCAAD3 team St Joe's Vermont.


Thiel and W&J...the best athletes seem to be playing football at these schools.

St Joe VT is in the exploratory year for consideration for D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 21, 2006, 10:20:10 PM
Albion falls of the undefeated vs D3 list - losing to Calvin at home, 69-66
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2006, 11:51:01 PM
I'm sure Flying dutch Fan was more than happy to report that Albion - Calvin  result to the survivor page  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2006, 12:21:56 AM
I guess kudos to Lawrence for being THE sole survivor in the entirety of college hoops after Duke, Florida and Pitt all went down.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 22, 2006, 01:41:33 AM
The Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Stags (10-5) stuck it to the Caltech Beavers (0-15) tonight, 59-49, in Pasadena.  The Techers have gone nearly 21 years without a SCIAC win, but they've gotten close in their last two Saturday night affairs (they were trimmed by 9 by Pomona-Pitzer last Saturday).  It looks like our Beavers are growing up and may be about to come of age.  They've got two games this week where they might get lucky: vs. LaVerne (6-7) at CMS on Wednesday, and at Whittier (6-9) next Saturday night.  Could it be a (Whittier) Poet that finally takes the Beavers where they've not been before?

I need a cigarette.  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 01:48:56 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 22, 2006, 12:21:56 AM
I guess kudos to Lawrence for being THE sole survivor in the entirety of MEN'S college hoops after Duke, Florida and Pitt all went down.

Emphasis added. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2006, 01:57:46 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 01:48:56 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 22, 2006, 12:21:56 AM
I guess kudos to Lawrence for being THE sole survivor in the entirety of MEN'S college hoops after Duke, Florida and Pitt all went down.

Emphasis added. :)

Well, technically, WORD and emphasis added, but good point!  I had a similar post over on the MWC board when thevicar in his exhilaration said 'at any level' - I pointed out that my local high school team was still undefeated.  But I confess that I hadn't also thought in terms of the ladies! :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2006, 07:35:03 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 21, 2006, 11:51:01 PM
I'm sure Flying dutch Fan was more than happy to report that Albion - Calvin  result to the survivor page  :D :D :D

I'm definitely happy about the outcome, although it's always a very strange feeling to be happy about a Calvin win   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 22, 2006, 01:41:33 AM
The Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Stags (10-5) stuck it to the Caltech Beavers (0-15) tonight, 59-49, in Pasadena.  The Techers have gone nearly 21 years without a SCIAC win, but they've gotten close in their last two Saturday night affairs (they were trimmed by 9 by Pomona-Pitzer last Saturday).  It looks like our Beavers are growing up and may be about to come of age.  They've got two games this week where they might get lucky: vs. LaVerne (6-7) at CMS on Wednesday, and at Whittier (6-9) next Saturday night.  Could it be a (Whittier) Poet that finally takes the Beavers where they've not been before?

I need a cigarette.  :)


It is probably best that I "keep my mouth shut"!

Sometimes Mae West gets me into trouble! :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thevicar on January 22, 2006, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2006, 01:57:46 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 01:48:56 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 22, 2006, 12:21:56 AM
I guess kudos to Lawrence for being THE sole survivor in the entirety of MEN'S college hoops after Duke, Florida and Pitt all went down.

Emphasis added. :)

Well, technically, WORD and emphasis added, but good point!  I had a similar post over on the MWC board when thevicar in his exhilaration said 'at any level' - I pointed out that my local high school team was still undefeated.  But I confess that I hadn't also thought in terms of the ladies! :-[

Aw, let a guy be excited for once...i'm a Wyoming Cowboys fan and a Cleveland pro sports fan, so this is about as much excitement as i'm likely ever to have in the sports venue. So you know...give a guy a break.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2006, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: thevicar on January 22, 2006, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2006, 01:57:46 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 01:48:56 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 22, 2006, 12:21:56 AM
I guess kudos to Lawrence for being THE sole survivor in the entirety of MEN'S college hoops after Duke, Florida and Pitt all went down.

Emphasis added. :)

Well, technically, WORD and emphasis added, but good point!  I had a similar post over on the MWC board when thevicar in his exhilaration said 'at any level' - I pointed out that my local high school team was still undefeated.  But I confess that I hadn't also thought in terms of the ladies! :-[

Aw, let a guy be excited for once...i'm a Wyoming Cowboys fan and a Cleveland pro sports fan, so this is about as much excitement as i'm likely ever to have in the sports venue. So you know...give a guy a break.

Just funnin' on ya!

My 14-year-old sports junkie describes any good (or bad) play/game/ref's call/etc. as the best EVER (or worst EVER).  I find it sometimes annoying, but usually amusing.  This NFL season alone I believe 5 different QBs have been the best EVER, and, of course as a frustrated Lions fan, they have on numerous occasions (whether team, coach, QB, OL, receiver, etc.) been the worst EVER.  In one game, after he missed his second potential game-winning FG (for the first time in his entire career), even Jason Hanson (Mr. Automatic) was dismissed as the WORST KICKER EVER; amazing how quickly that changed when he made the third attempt and won the game!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2006, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 20, 2006, 04:26:15 PM
ok Smed, end of the day, let's take a look at the weekend for our wretched

And for our winless vs d3....
Ferrum has Christopher Newport and Shenandoah at home - GONE -  At home, Ferrum has a real chance against either.



Ferum beats Shenandoah  58 - 55   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2006, 11:02:09 AM
hopefan, I want to know where you're getting Lyndon State scores.  I went with you on the win over Green Mountain, but I need a score for the Presque-Isle game too.  I have everything below but the UMPI vs Lyndon State game.

Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (14-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 1 )

Occidental (13-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 5 )

Immaculata (1-14)
Maranatha Baptist (1-16)
Rutgers-Camden (1-15)
Thiel (2-15)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-14)*

Winless ( 5 )

Caltech (0-15)
Daniel Webster (0-13)
Oberlin (0-16)
Principia (0-13)
Green Mountain (0-13)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 23, 2006, 11:23:14 AM
Lyndon State actually does a good job in updating its site:

http://www.lyndonstate.edu/athletics/basketball_men.php

Presque Isle falls 94-65.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2006, 11:33:18 AM

That was so not up ten minutes ago when I checked it out.

Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (14-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 1 )

Occidental (13-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 5 )

Immaculata (1-14)
Maranatha Baptist (1-16)
Rutgers-Camden (1-15)
Thiel (2-15)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-15)*

Winless ( 5 )

Caltech (0-15)
Daniel Webster (0-13)
Oberlin (0-16)
Principia (0-13)
Green Mountain (0-13)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2006, 11:54:12 AM
smed bails me out!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 23, 2006, 04:13:34 PM
Ah, I try, that's all I can do.

The success of that one win must have gotten to the head of the CCNY women. They've lost six more in a row, including losses an 83-26 loss to Staten Island and a 80-14 pounding by a 3-10 Mt. St. Vincent team.

Oooof.

Here's the box score - be afraid. Be very afraid.

http://www.mountsaintvincent.edu/SupportFiles/Files/msv-ccny(3).htm
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2006, 04:37:25 PM
at a quick glance, I thin they need to cut down on their turnovers. ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: TeeDub on January 23, 2006, 05:02:02 PM
But they did score 67% of their baskets off assists.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2006, 05:37:26 AM
Somehow I'm afraid only the faithful few follow this page, or someone certainly would have reported this sooner-----  Last night ----    Immaculata off the winless vs D3 list, with a crushing win out of nowhere over Marywood, 71-56
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 08:55:36 AM
Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (14-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 1 )

Occidental (13-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 4 )

Maranatha Baptist (1-16)
Rutgers-Camden (1-15)
Thiel (2-15)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-15)*

Winless ( 5 )

Caltech (0-15)
Daniel Webster (0-13)
Oberlin (0-16)
Principia (0-13)
Green Mountain (0-13)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 24, 2006, 01:31:14 PM
Yeah for Immaculata.

I think I found a worse game.

Women's - Maine Maritime 75, Bay Path 7.

http://www.nacathletics.com/statistics/2005-06/WBB0506/HTML/bay1204.htm
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 24, 2006, 01:32:27 PM
That is quite a stat sheet, 6 times as many turnovers (42) as points (7).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 01:36:54 PM

Bay Path is actually a daycare, so I wouldn't get too excited.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2006, 01:38:31 PM
49-0 at the half, but Bay Path came out on fire after the break.
Maine-Maritime had 28 steals and just 4 fouls.  They also had 30 assists on 32 baskets.
I blame the refs.  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 24, 2006, 01:48:11 PM
Bay Path couldn't get a call all night on their end.  The refs hate us man.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 01:59:18 PM

Wow, I've been checking out the Bay Path website.  Apparently the school is 109 years old, too bad they haven't focused enough on athletics.  Honorary trustees are Elizabeth Dole and Jackie Joyner-Kersee.  It's female only for undergrad, but co-ed for their grad programs.  THey have not always been women only though, as the gym is named after a man who graduated in 1936.  I didn't realize they are actually in the NAC for women's sports.  Wow.  This was also not their worst loss on the season, they went down to Husson 20-102.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 02:11:25 PM
"3) Posts that simply serve to bash another poster and do not discuss Division III sports will be removed."


Look what I just found on the "Terms of Service"  I wonder how far we can actually wander from DIII sports before Pat gets mad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2006, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 24, 2006, 02:11:25 PM
"3) Posts that simply serve to bash another poster and do not discuss Division III sports will be removed."


Look what I just found on the "Terms of Service"  I wonder how far we can actually wander from DIII sports before Pat gets mad.  emphasis added

Please note the use of the conjunctive "and" (rather than the disjunctive "or") in the above rule.  A post must be both off-topic and malicious to violate the rule. 

Of course, you'd know that if you could read, you good-for-nothing slimy worthless pile of a poster.  ;) :D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 24, 2006, 02:46:07 PM
And, but, and or get you pretty far, though!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 03:19:03 PM

I choose to read it differently and thanks to no standard of English grammar, I can.  I'm a rebel (albeit, kind of a sorry one) and you can't tell me any different you lazy pile of... well, we'll just leave it at that, but those initials serve well to finish that sentence, DC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2006, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 24, 2006, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 24, 2006, 02:11:25 PM
"3) Posts that simply serve to bash another poster and do not discuss Division III sports will be removed."


Look what I just found on the "Terms of Service"  I wonder how far we can actually wander from DIII sports before Pat gets mad.  emphasis added

Please note the use of the conjunctive "and" (rather than the disjunctive "or") in the above rule.  A post must be both off-topic and malicious to violate the rule. 

Of course, you'd know that if you could read, you good-for-nothing slimy worthless pile of a poster.  ;) :D



I believe this is at least the fourth time in the last 2-3 days that David has gotten to practice his legal skills while using Posting Up to AVOID studying for the California Bar! 

If you pass, it's probably all our fault! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 11:56:39 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 24, 2006, 02:11:25 PM
"3) Posts that simply serve to bash another poster and do not discuss Division III sports will be removed."


Look what I just found on the "Terms of Service"  I wonder how far we can actually wander from DIII sports before Pat gets mad.

Depends on the time of year and who's talking. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 09:26:42 AM
Does that man that if we are posting in June was can talk more about, oh, say umm maybe beer, or the realtive quality of strip clubs near D3 venues, wheras that would be more frowned upon at this time of year?

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 25, 2006, 09:50:39 AM
Quote from: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 09:26:42 AM
Does that man that if we are posting in June was can talk more about, oh, say umm maybe beer, or the realtive quality of strip clubs near D3 venues, wheras that would be more frowned upon at this time of year?

C

That conversation should never be frowned upon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 09:53:14 AM
knightstalker -

Well, I can say that not far from Willie Pat there is a pretty good spot!

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 25, 2006, 10:00:19 AM
Coach, there is a good spot not far from every NJAC school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 11:23:40 AM

I just noticed that on the 30th, Bates has a game against Maine-Presque Isle.  This could be the best team in the region against the very worst.  I'm sure we will all follow this will great interest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 25, 2006, 11:49:01 AM
Though it wouldn't be as bad, as say, Principia facing Augustana.

Bowdoin beat them 100-30, which is the top margin in D-3 this year.

Wooster beat Oberlin 112-53 for the second worse.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 11:50:57 AM
Knightstalker -

Yeah - now that you mention it, I can think of one near Rowan, a real good one near Stockton, and well you an I will just have to talk.

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2006, 12:02:21 PM
Coach C, Knightstalker  -  let me know when you're coming out my way to see a SLIAC game  -  I think I can introduce you to some Midwest hospitality over in East St Louis.   ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 12:02:35 PM
I suggested Bates send an intramural team to play that one, but a 100 point margin might be fun.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 25, 2006, 12:15:02 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 25, 2006, 12:02:21 PM
Coach C, Knightstalker  -  let me know when you're coming out my way to see a SLIAC game  -  I think I can introduce you to some Midwest hospitality over in East St Louis.   ;) ;)

East St. Louis, I already live in Jersey City, that's like going from Afghanistan to Iraq, not sure which if more fun.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 25, 2006, 06:36:14 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on January 25, 2006, 09:50:39 AM
Quote from: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 09:26:42 AM
Does that man that if we are posting in June was can talk more about, oh, say umm maybe beer, or the realtive quality of strip clubs near D3 venues, wheras that would be more frowned upon at this time of year?

C

That conversation should never be frowned upon.

Quote from: hopefan on January 25, 2006, 12:02:21 PM
Coach C, Knightstalker - let me know when you're coming out my way to see a SLIAC game - I think I can introduce you to some Midwest hospitality over in East St Louis. ;) ;)

:-\ :( ??? :o >:( ??? ??? :-\ :'(  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

there are no words  :-[ :'(

incidentally, coach, you spelled relative wrong, and hope fan, seriously, like anyone would fly out to the midwest to see a SLIAC game?  :P :D

(cough)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 25, 2006, 07:16:28 PM
I dunno, that Webster / Fontbonne game should rivet the fans to their seats.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 09:39:40 PM
diehard -

It's ok.  I was an English major.  I know better.  I just can't type. 

And why aren't there words? 

I appreciate the invite, but there is NO WAY I am going to St. Louis in the winter time so i can drive across the river to a strip club.  I can drive to Camden NJ right here at home!

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2006, 09:45:15 PM
Wait a minute...Coach C used the word "relative" in a discussion of strip clubs?!?  :o

....oh, I see.  Never mind.   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 08:47:46 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 25, 2006, 07:16:28 PM
I dunno, that Webster / Fontbonne game should rivet the fans to their seats.  ;D

No you got that wrong, fans would have to be riveted, literally attached with rivets, to stay in their seats.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 08:57:42 AM
Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (14-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 1 )

Occidental (14-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 4 )

Maranatha Baptist (1-17)
Rutgers-Camden (1-16)
Thiel (2-16)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-15)*

Winless ( 5 )

Caltech (0-16)
Daniel Webster (0-14)
Oberlin (0-17)
Principia (0-14)
Green Mountain (0-14)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2006, 09:27:12 AM
I notice Memphis, (well known by other names on this site), recorded Post No 2000 above.... Congrats on the dedication to the site Memphis...  I always enjoy the witticisms in your postings!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2006, 09:29:20 AM

That wasn't his 200th post, he just hasn;t posted since his 2000th, which was placed on the traditional board for milestones (why it's tradition, I have no idea, but it is nonetheless).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2006, 12:55:19 PM
Talk about ironic- I'm in trouble over in the SLIAC room because I suggested that a poster who defined the Fontbonne - Webster rivalry as 'college rivalry at its best', might have D3 experience outside of the SLIAC that is relatively limited.

He didn't like that....   oh well  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 28, 2006, 10:42:23 PM
Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (14-0) - Won two this weekend

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 1 )

Occidental (14-1) - Squeaks by the Sagehens 53-52

Winless vs D3 only ( 4 )

Maranatha Baptist (1-17) - idle
Rutgers-Camden (1-16) -oops! Lost 121-79 to Ramapo
Thiel (2-16) - Lost to Thomas More 73-66
Maine-Presque Isle (1-15)* - No report against St. Joe's. Play Maine - Machias tomorrow

Winless ( 5 )

Caltech (0-16) - Lost to Whitter 75-48
Daniel Webster (0-14) - Lost to Emerson (without Lake and Palmer, no doubt) 86-58
Oberlin (0-17) - Lost to Wabash 91-66
Principia (0-14) - Lost to Maryville 99-51
Green Mountain (0-14)* - Lost to W. Conn 103-50. Played at Mitchell today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 29, 2006, 12:26:17 PM
Bill Plaschke and the LA Times discovered Caltech this week:

Humble Pi (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke29jan29,1,6860576.column?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true)

I'm sure he's already forgotten, since the Times covers the SCIAC about as closely as it covers the NESCAC .
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2006, 09:22:33 AM
Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (16-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 1 )

Occidental (15-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 4 )

Maranatha Baptist (1-17)
Rutgers-Camden (1-17)
Thiel (2-17)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-16)*

Winless ( 5 )

Caltech (0-17)
Daniel Webster (0-16)
Oberlin (0-18)
Principia (0-15)
Green Mountain (0-16)*

*Denotes Provisional School

I couldn't find the UMPI-Machais score; everything else is up to date.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on January 30, 2006, 10:16:43 AM
Hoops Fan -

can we get odds on Lawrence running the table?

How wbout the winless?  any wins on the horizon?

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2006, 10:41:17 AM

Lawrence will probably lose at Carroll, other than that, I think they run the table.  I was impressed with Carroll before this weekend and while I didn't get to Grinnell in time to see them, everybody there said Carroll's team was just as good as Lawrence on offense and pretty close to them on defense.  I think Ripon could give them a challenge this week, but porbably not an upset.  If they can get by Carroll at Carroll, I think they have a legit shot at entering the tournament undefeated.  I sure hope they get one of those byes; they definately deserve it.  I also hope Braier gets significant looks for national POY; he is just so sound.  I never saw him make a mistake in that game and even the crazy GC fanatics speak of him with some measure of reverence.

As far as the winless teams.  I just don't know.  I think they all have winable games left, but how can you know without playing the games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 01, 2006, 10:11:16 AM
Guess what::::

Principia 72, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 67
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 10:52:08 AM
Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (17-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 1 )

Occidental (15-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 5 )

Maranatha Baptist (1-18)
Rutgers-Camden (1-17)
Thiel (2-17)
Principia (1-15)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-18)*

Winless ( 4 )

Caltech (0-17)
Daniel Webster (0-17)
Oberlin (0-18)
Green Mountain (0-16)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 01, 2006, 12:38:11 PM
Well, Ripon came close last night, only losing by 3.  I think LU has a great chance to go undefeated with really only a game vs. Carroll in Waukesha the only test left, and probably facing them in the MWC tourney (at the Alex, I'm guessing). 

To enter the NCAA tourney undefeated would be a lot of pressure.  I'd almost want to lose a game to take that pressure off.  I'm sure there have been several teams that have gone undefeated the whole season and won the NCAA tourney (Platteville comes to mind off the top of my head), but we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 12:44:06 PM
Losing to Carroll in the conference tourney final would almost assure that both teams get in the tournament.  I think they'll lose before that though, I think Carroll will hold court at home.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 09:33:07 AM
 Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (17-0)

Undefeated vs D3 only ( 1 )

Occidental (16-1)

Winless vs D3 only ( 5 )

Maranatha Baptist (1-18)
Rutgers-Camden (1-18)
Thiel (2-18)
Principia (1-16)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-18)*

Winless ( 4 )

Caltech (0-18)
Daniel Webster (0-18)
Oberlin (0-19)
Green Mountain (0-16)*

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2006, 01:02:35 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 01, 2006, 12:38:11 PMTo enter the NCAA tourney undefeated would be a lot of pressure.  I'd almost want to lose a game to take that pressure off.  I'm sure there have been several teams that have gone undefeated the whole season and won the NCAA tourney (Platteville comes to mind off the top of my head), but we'll see what happens.

It's happened three times in D3. UW-Platteville ran the table from start to finish twice in the nineties, and Potsdam State did it in 1985-86.

I don't understand the mentality that posits that losing can be a good thing in terms of relieving pressure on an undefeated team. Shouldn't you walk into the gym determined to win the game every time? And isn't the experience of playing under pressure precisely what stiffens a team for play in March?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 04, 2006, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2006, 01:02:35 PM
I don't understand the mentality that posits that losing can be a good thing in terms of relieving pressure on an undefeated team. Shouldn't you walk into the gym determined to win the game every time? And isn't the experience of playing under pressure precisely what stiffens a team for play in March?

Greg,

I'm not saying you would sandbag a game just to lose to take the pressure off you.  I mean, yeah, everyone wants to go undefeated and not lose.  But, if it happens, then I think it takes a little pressure off you so the spot light isn't on being undefeated and all that.  Going into March is pressure enough.  I don't think going undefeated is a bad thing, but if you lose, it's not the end of the world.  If I'm going to lose, I'd rather have it during the season rather than have my first loss in the NCAA tourney (not to say you're guaranteed a loss or anything!).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on February 04, 2006, 01:58:05 PM
I think a lot of times a team that is undefeated gets the mentality that they're doing everything 100% right...  A lot of times, a loss can really show you the deficient... or at least less efficient areas of a team.  When I played at Point, we never got through January undefeated... but I know in 2002-2003, the Point team swept through the second half of conference and ran away with the title by 3 games and destroyed Oshkosh by 19 (in a game where we were up 30 most of the second half...) really squeaked by some teams towards the end of the second half of the year... and we didn't really adjust (because, come on, we won, we didn't need to adjust)... and then we lost to Oshkosh in a tough game in the Semi's of the conf tourney, and to Gustavus in the second round of the NCAA's.

Not to take anything away from Oshkosh, because they were a great team that season, but if we had adjusted, we might have seen a different result.  Dworak had 24, Iserloth had 3, in a game we lost by 5 points.  That's a huge disparity.

In the Gustavus game, we got outrebounded by 15.  Look how far both these teams went... and Point basically backed our way into the NCAA's.  Had we had a setback and learned from it... well... we'll never know.  Perhaps it would be the same result, but I'd (of course) like to think differently!   ;D

We could seriously have been talking about 3 straight titles if we had adjusted and addressed some of our lack of inside toughness towards the end of the year (magnified by a loss) instead of just thinking we were ok. 

I'll be honest, we certainly DID learn from the loss, especially the Gustavus one... it really provided motivation to get better from one season to the next and REALLY gave us motivation when we went to their gym the next year!

But even so... look at the last two seasons.  Point lost the last game of the regular season each year, before winning out in the WIAC tourney and the NCAA's.  It really put everything in perspective and got us focused for our tournament runs... and it wasn't like we WANTED to win... the loss in 04 lost us a conference title and the loss in 05 cost us an outright title.

I'm going to agree with OS and say that you certainly don't sandbag... but a loss puts everything in perspective, especially for a team that seems to be on top of the world.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on February 04, 2006, 09:52:29 PM
Oberlin got its first win tonight over Hiram, a d3 foe.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on February 04, 2006, 09:53:51 PM
Green Mountain also got its first win over Mass College, also in D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 04, 2006, 10:00:26 PM
Whoa! Quite a day for the previously unloved!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 04, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 04, 2006, 09:52:29 PM
Oberlin got its first win tonight over Hiram, a d3 foe.

I guess Hiram was caught looking ahead to their showdown on Wednesday at Wooster.  :D

If the Yeomen can get off the schneid, can Caltech be far behind?  They're at Cal Lutheran tonight.  Don't sleep on the Beavers!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 04, 2006, 10:27:29 PM
Don't forget about the devil of a team that is Daniel Webster. Maybe if they played a team named after John C. Calhoun? Would that spark them?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 05, 2006, 12:45:13 AM
Cal Lu leaves the Beavers gnawing tonight, 77-45.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 05, 2006, 03:59:42 PM
Occidental leaves the ranks of the D3-only unbeaten, as the homeless La Verne Leopards upend the Tigers at Eagle Rock, 82-78.  Lawrence now stands alone as the only team unbeaten in D3 competition.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 09:49:59 AM

Updated:

Undefeated ( 1 )

Lawrence (19-0)

Winless vs D3 only ( 5 )

Maranatha Baptist (1-19)
Rutgers-Camden (1-19)
Thiel (2-18)
Principia (1-17)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-18)*

Winless ( 2 )

Caltech (0-19)
Daniel Webster (0-19)

*Denotes Provisional School

No results for the UMPI games against Unity or Fisher, but neither is a d3 school, so it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 09:50:42 AM

Ok, who is going to be the first to 20 losses?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 06, 2006, 10:31:46 AM
Hey now, games with Unity ALWAYS matter!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 09:37:09 AM
Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (19-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-19)
Rutgers-Camden (1-19)
Principia (2-17)
Maine-Presque Isle (1-18)*

Winless
Caltech (0-19)
Daniel Webster (0-19)

*Denotes Provisional School

No results for the UMPI games against Unity or Fisher, but neither is a d3 school, so it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 09:39:36 AM
Maranatha Baptist has a chance to become our first 20 loss school tonight as they host Lakeland.

[Edit] My bad, Hunter has already lost 20 with a 3-20 overall record.  Thomas More has also lost 20, with a 2-20 overall record (both wins coming over Thiel, who got off our list last night); Maranatha Baptist will have to become our first 20 game loser without beating a d3 school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 07, 2006, 09:48:04 AM
I'm on the case trying to track down PI scores - just because.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 07, 2006, 09:48:04 AM
I'm on the case trying to track down PI scores - just because.

Good luck, unless you want to call the Atheltic Department up there, I think you're in trouble.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 03:35:54 PM
Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (20-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-20)
Rutgers-Camden (1-20)
Principia (2-18)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-18)*

Winless
Caltech (0-19)
Daniel Webster (0-20)

*Denotes Provisional School

Still one game missing: UMPI and Fisher from 2/5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 03:37:04 PM
Maranatha Baptist goes to Concordia (Wisc) tonight and Daniel Webster hosts Suffolk.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 09, 2006, 05:15:25 PM
Our friends, the CCNY women, lost to Hunter 63-13 on the 3rd.

http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/athletics/teams/wmn-bb/05-06%20Boxscores/ccny1.htm

Nice shooting!

But according to Massey, there are 9 teams worse than them (according to his MOV ratings).

Mt. Mary is outscored 93-16 in its average game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 08:52:41 AM
Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (20-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-21)
Rutgers-Camden (1-20)
Principia (2-18)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-18)*

Winless
Caltech (0-19)
Daniel Webster (0-21)

*Denotes Provisional School

Still one game missing: UMPI and Fisher from 2/5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 11:01:07 AM
 Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (20-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-22)
Rutgers-Camden (1-21)
Principia (2-19)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-21)*

Winless
Caltech (0-21)
Daniel Webster (0-22)

*Denotes Provisional School

I'm not sure that UMPI-Fisher game ever took place.  UMPI has scores from games after it up on the website.  I think their current record up there is up to date.
   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2006, 10:23:12 AM
Down the stretch they come:

Tough game for Lawrence tomorrow. Win that one and they deserve all the accolades they receive!

Maranatha is hosed as they travel to Lakeland. Oops. Nice try.

Rutgers - Camden have two tough conference games left. They'll just have to savor that win against Valley Forge Christian into next season.

Principia has three games left - but the only one that have ANY shot at is at Greenville.

The Owls have just one game, and they're not going to win it. Oh, Owls, perhaps you could convince Unity to become D-3 - or at least schedule Green Mountain!

Daniel Webster has three games left, including a home game against Newbury. I'd never say never, so they have an outside shot at that one.

Caltech has four games left, including a home game against Whitter.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2006, 09:51:03 AM
Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (21-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-22)
Rutgers-Camden (1-22)
Principia (2-20)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-20)*

Winless
Caltech (0-22)
Daniel Webster (0-23)

*Denotes Provisional School

I'm not sure that UMPI-Fisher game ever took place.  UMPI has scores from games after it up on the website.  I think their current record up there is up to date.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 10:26:04 AM
Through the end of the regular season for everyone (but Caltech)

Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (22-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-23)
Rutgers-Camden (1-23)
Principia (2-21)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-21)*

Winless
Caltech (0-23)
Daniel Webster (0-25)

*Denotes Provisional School
Teams in italics have no games remaining.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2006, 01:36:10 AM
Whittier 86, Caltech 84 (1OT)  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2006, 02:58:03 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2006, 01:36:10 AM
Whittier 86, Caltech 84 (1OT)  :'(

I just read the press release. Wow. The Beavers lost on a buzzer-beating jumper from the top of the key. They had to play the last seven minutes of the game with their two best players on the bench after having fouled out.

There is no crying in basketball, but if there was ever a reason to shed a tear over a valiant defeat, it belongs to Caltech.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 21, 2006, 07:17:04 AM
wow what a shame   -  Caltech, you can't imagine the admiration / love that's out there for you from a select few of us across the country.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 21, 2006, 07:24:24 AM
oh, my!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2006, 08:48:27 AM

I have to believe that there are actually ten or twelve teams this year worse than Caltech.  If they played in New England, I think they'd have five or six wins.  It's a shame they are still on our list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2006, 12:58:07 PM
Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (22-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-23)
Rutgers-Camden (1-23)

Principia (2-21)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-21)*

Winless
Caltech (0-24)
Daniel Webster (0-25)

*Denotes Provisional School
Teams in italics have no games remaining.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2006, 10:31:13 PM
I'm taking the bar exam in Pasadena this week, and almost talked myself into going over tho Caltech last night to cheer on the Beavs.  At the last minute I decided that it was more important to get a good night's sleep.  In hindsight, having seen the Caltech/Whittier score and the questions on this morning's portion of the exam, I know I made the wrong choice.  :-\

The good news for Caltech is that their final game is against reeling Occidental, who they took to the wire before the Oxy tailspin began.  One last chance for a SCIAC win... 8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 09:56:00 AM

DC, I'm blaming you for the Caltech loss.  I can't pin the other 300 or so on you, but this one was your fault.  It was an overtime game; your added voice of confidence would have put them over the top.  Of this I am most supremely confident.  Be on the look out for super sophisticated mishaps in your life, like laser-guided miniature rockets dropping heavy objects on your car and the like.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 10:20:25 AM
Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (22-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-23)
Rutgers-Camden (1-23)
Principia (2-22)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-21)*


Winless
Caltech (0-24)
Daniel Webster (0-25)

*Denotes Provisional School
Teams in italics have no games remaining.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 22, 2006, 10:22:19 AM
Let's go Caltech - it would seem karmaic if there is one winless and one winful team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on February 22, 2006, 10:33:01 AM
Or maybe just pigeons dropping laser guided bombs.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 12:48:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 22, 2006, 09:56:00 AM

DC, I'm blaming you for the Caltech loss.  I can't pin the other 300 or so on you, but this one was your fault.  It was an overtime game; your added voice of confidence would have put them over the top.  Of this I am most supremely confident.  Be on the look out for super sophisticated mishaps in your life, like laser-guided miniature rockets dropping heavy objects on your car and the like.

Even more than his exuberation, DC's 64 karma points alone would have been enough to edge one tip-in attempt into the goal! :'(

Forgot, there is no crying in basketball.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 02:04:02 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 22, 2006, 09:56:00 AM

DC, I'm blaming you for the Caltech loss.  I can't pin the other 300 or so on you, but this one was your fault.  It was an overtime game; your added voice of confidence would have put them over the top.  Of this I am most supremely confident.  Be on the look out for super sophisticated mishaps in your life, like laser-guided miniature rockets dropping heavy objects on your car and the like.
:D :D :D

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2006, 02:58:03 AM
There is no crying in basketball
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 12:48:36 PM
there is no crying in basketball.
You guys have never cried while watching a basketball movie?? Come ooon!  ;)


David, are you at all pondering going to that last Cal Tech game? I think I need to now!  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2006, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 02:04:02 PM
David, are you at all pondering going to that last Cal Tech game? I think I need to now!  :)

It's at Oxy, tomorrow at 7:30.  I could be talked into going.  Drop me a line.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 22, 2006, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 02:04:02 PM
David, are you at all pondering going to that last Cal Tech game? I think I need to now!  :)

It's at Oxy, tomorrow at 7:30.  I could be talked into going.  Drop me a line.

In case you see this before your PM... I sent you one... and would love to go!  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2006, 05:22:37 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 22, 2006, 09:56:00 AM

DC, I'm blaming you for the Caltech loss.  I can't pin the other 300 or so on you, but this one was your fault.  It was an overtime game; your added voice of confidence would have put them over the top.  Of this I am most supremely confident.  Be on the look out for super sophisticated mishaps in your life, like laser-guided miniature rockets dropping heavy objects on your car

...  or getting attacked by sharks with laser beams attached to their heads. C'mon, Caltech ... where are the sharks with the frickin' laser beams attached to their heads? Throw me a bone here!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 09:25:39 AM
It's all about the Ill-tempered Sea Bass, but that's neither here nor there.


Did we just witness April successfully secure a date on the d3hoops message board?  This may be a whole new direction for Posting Up.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 23, 2006, 09:25:39 AM
...
Did we just witness April successfully secure a date on the d3hoops message board?  This may be a whole new direction for Posting Up.

I wasn't going to say anything, but was only going to follow the intrigue. :-[

There is something to be said for using your own photo as your avatar! :)

Now, if David has acquired a taste for kimchee and bulgogi...   ::)

This is way too early to consider this in their specific case, but I think that formal etiquette is to put the Wedding Registry on the bride's preferred message board. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 09:43:42 AM
There is something to be said for using your own photo as your avatar! :)

Well, for some people anyway.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 23, 2006, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 09:43:42 AM
There is something to be said for using your own photo as your avatar! :)

Well, for some people anyway.

Oh Hoops Fan, I  am so sorry.... :( :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 10:10:17 AM

Hey, I'm married, so putting a picture up would just be frustrating for all those single female posters out there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on February 23, 2006, 10:12:24 AM
Frustrating or Scaring?  Yo Pops, I got a gun in my room, why don't I just go get it?

+K for Austin Powers quotes, I see I am not the only one watching AMC lately.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 10:55:48 AM

Actually, I don't have cable, nor have I seen Austin Powers since it was released in theatres.  It was just that funny that I can still remember vague lines.  That's either incredibly impressive or very, very sad.  I'm not sure I want to know which.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: devossed on February 23, 2006, 12:40:33 PM
I'm glad I stayed home from work this morning...this is the best thread we've had in a while...

Go gettem, April!!!  Just don't make your bridesmaids wear something hideous!
;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2006, 12:48:58 PM
:D You guys do realize that David is almost exactly my mom's age, or, twice my age, right? And that we've already gone to over a half a dozen basketball games together in the past couple of years? (cough) :D

As much as I'm sure David would like to be called a sugardaddy while he is taking the California bar exam and can't defend himself, I sure you are all aware that the real regulars basically like to think of me as a kid sister, or the perfect daughter they never had so I won't bother defending the situation one bit. :P

The ironic thing is that even if it was a proposed date, it wouldn't be a new twist on posting up for me at all. I've had much, much shadier posters proposition me in the last four years.  ::) This is basically how the more temperate ones go:

---------------------------------

Hi, I really enjoy reading your posts! Just wanted to drop a line to introduce myself.




P.S. Nice picture.


---------------------------------
:D

But then it get to the not funny points... there was the time when my address was my AOL address for a few months before I yanked it down. Then I would get random IMs from guys who said things like... "Hey I think about you when I (insert word that starts with an M), does that bother you? :-[:'( >:( 

This my friends, is nothing. ::)

But I promise to invite you all to my real wedding someday.  :-*
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 01:51:58 PM

We knew that you would know we were kidding, although it probably would have been nice for us to let everyone else who reads this know that.  Oh well.


It's still hilarious and yes, I did know how old DC was when I posted the first comment.  I even debated a line about you "bagging an older man."


Anyway, I hope you two have fun at Oxy tonight, but be home by 11.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 02:49:21 PM
well hoops, several years ago, I seem to remember being a third party to a date between the same lovely couple in question   --- in St. Louis..  Lunch at a wonderful restaurant, and a ballgame at Wash U
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 02:54:29 PM

Whoa, you're venturing a little beyond the realm of good judgement here.  Save those stories for your monthly letter to Penthouse.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 03:26:47 PM
Heck, I was paid in Oatmeal raisin cookies to be a chaperone...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 03:27:21 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 03:26:47 PM
Heck, I was paid in Oatmeal raisin cookies to be a chaperone...

April seems to be the chaperone kind of gal.  I wonder who's been recruited for tonight?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on February 23, 2006, 03:49:28 PM
And what kind of cookies they are getting paid with.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2006, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 23, 2006, 01:51:58 PM
Anyway, I hope you two have fun at Oxy tonight, but be home by 11.
hah... you could have sounded like my overprotective real parents and said 10!  :D

Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 02:49:21 PM
well hoops, several years ago, I seem to remember being a third party to a date between the same lovely couple in question --- in St. Louis.. Lunch at a wonderful restaurant, and a ballgame at Wash U
Naa... theoretically wonderful restaurant was closed. We just ate at the "St. Louis thinks it is too cool to call a restaruant by it's chain name" restaurant, aka Panera.  ::)

Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 03:26:47 PM
Heck, I was paid in Oatmeal raisin cookies to be a chaperone...
You underestimate your importance... you know the real reason I came all that was was to meet you right?  ;)

Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 23, 2006, 03:27:21 PM
April seems to be the chaperone kind of gal. I wonder who's been recruited for tonight?
OxyBob!  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 01:47:34 AM
...but OxyBob didn't show up tonight....

:-* :-* :-*   :D

Y'know, I haven't gotten any cookies since St. Louis, but I have had my picture taken with a pair of swamp-encrusted tennies since then.  I take this as a sign that I'm disfavored.  :-\

I've also had my picture made with a Moon Pie and RC, and with a link of Trail Bologna and a bottle of Faygo Redpop.  I guess I'm the Julia Child of this board.  ;D

BTW, Caltech really didn't show up tonight, either.  Oxy toyed with the Beavers, keeping their slim Pool C hopes alive with a 40-something point win.  Caltech, meanwhile, completes yet another in a long line of winless SCIAC campaigns (21+ years now), and graduates three starters.   :(

Oh, and ya'll can stop talking about how stinkin' old I am anytime now...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2006, 03:21:01 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 01:47:34 AMI've also had my picture made with a Moon Pie and RC, and with a link of Trail Bologna and a bottle of Faygo Redpop.  I guess I'm the Julia Child of this board.  ;D

Anything tastes good with Heinz ketchup and mustard on it, eh?

You're awfully chatty on the boards tonight, DC. I take it this means that the bar exam went well?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 08:25:07 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2006, 03:21:01 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 01:47:34 AMI've also had my picture made with a Moon Pie and RC, and with a link of Trail Bologna and a bottle of Faygo Redpop.  I guess I'm the Julia Child of this board.  ;D

Anything tastes good with Heinz ketchup and mustard on it, eh?

You're awfully chatty on the boards tonight, DC. I take it this means that the bar exam went well?

Gregory, I am thinking of the song from My Fair Lady... ;) ;D

QuoteI have often walked down this street before,
But the pavement always stayed beneath my feet before.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 01:47:34 AM
Oh, and ya'll can stop talking about how stinkin' old I am anytime now...

See, this is exactly why I didn't mention it in the original post.  I've been right way too often lately.  There's a lightning bolt with my name on it somewhere nearby.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 24, 2006, 09:32:13 AM
If I read this right, DC is OLDER than I am and in Law School? My gosh, he wins some kind of award.

I thought when I changed paradigms at 35 (in 2000) that I was on a limb... :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on February 24, 2006, 09:34:59 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2006, 03:21:01 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 01:47:34 AMI've also had my picture made with a Moon Pie and RC, and with a link of Trail Bologna and a bottle of Faygo Redpop.  I guess I'm the Julia Child of this board.  ;D

Anything tastes good with Heinz ketchup and mustard on it, eh?

You're awfully chatty on the boards tonight, DC. I take it this means that the bar exam went well?

I will go with the Heinz Ketchup, it got me though Scout Camp, Working at a camp, the Navy, College food and my wifes eggs.  The Heinz mustard doesn't cut it with me.  Too many corned beef on rye, hot pastrami on ryes and dirt water hot dogs with good jewish deli style mustard has spoiled me.

Does passing the Bar exam entitle one to a three martini lunch?  Of course in Kali For Knee Yah they would be organic, vegetarian martinis.   :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 09:52:56 AM
I know I was the one who got us off-topic, but:

Updated:

Undefeated
Lawrence (22-0)

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-23)
Rutgers-Camden (1-23)
Principia (2-22)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-21)*


Winless
Caltech (0-25)
Daniel Webster (0-25)


*Denotes Provisional School
Teams in italics have no games remaining.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 24, 2006, 10:00:02 AM
Well, now it's just the Larry watch.

Hey, I read in the agate type of the Lafayette paper that CCNY did not renew the contract of their women's hoops coach. Which, considering the season they had, was not surprising.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 10:10:14 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 24, 2006, 10:00:02 AM
Well, now it's just the Larry watch.

Hey, I read in the agate type of the Lafayette paper that CCNY did not renew the contract of their women's hoops coach. Which, considering the season they had, was not surprising.

They probably could have saved money if the team just coached themselves.  I can't see how that would have changed anything.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 24, 2006, 09:32:13 AM
If I read this right, DC is OLDER than I am and in Law School? My gosh, he wins some kind of award.

I thought when I changed paradigms at 35 (in 2000) that I was on a limb... :D

I took the LSAT on my 40th birthday. :-\

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2006, 03:21:01 AM
You're awfully chatty on the boards tonight, DC. I take it this means that the bar exam went well?

After the exam ended, I went to the parking garage and fixed my flat tire. :-\

You might say I have an odd way of celebrating major life events. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2006, 04:46:40 PM

Here's something to think about:

2005-12-02  Maranatha Bap           68   Emmaus Bib              59         
2005-12-09 @ Emmaus Bib              76   Faith Bap               63         
2005-12-13  Faith Bap               80  @ Circleville             69         
2005-11-18  Circleville             88  @ Roanoke                 72  B       
2006-02-11  Roanoke                 84  @ Guilford                73         
2005-11-18  Guilford                95  @ Webber                  93         
2005-12-11  Webber                  86  @ Savannah St             84  O1     
2006-01-21 @ Savannah St             70   Longwood                69         
2005-11-30 @ Longwood                88   Liberty                 75         
2006-02-20 @ Liberty                 78   Winthrop                71         
2005-11-19  Winthrop                71  @ Marquette               64         
2006-02-16 @ Marquette               57   Georgetown              51         
2006-01-21 @ Georgetown              87   Duke                    84         

Transitivity proves that Maranatha Bap is better than Duke.
This 13 game conquering path predicts: Maranatha Bap over Duke by 101 points.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 04:50:59 PM
I tried that one in 98 or 99 but the NCAA would not change the record books to show that NJCU lost in the Stagg Bowl not Rowan.  I based it on the fact that NJCU beat Rowan and by using the six degrees of kevin bacon logic then NJCU beat Mt. Union.  Nobody bought it.  I guess the next step is to interfere with the time space continuum to change the records.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 09:22:00 AM

Lawrence is up to 23-0 for those scoring at home.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on March 06, 2006, 11:16:59 AM
Or even if you're by yourself!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on March 10, 2006, 11:38:23 PM
And then there were none (undefeated that is...)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 11, 2006, 10:21:10 AM

Here's the final results:

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-23)
Rutgers-Camden (1-23)
Principia (2-22)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-21)*

Winless
Caltech (0-25)
Daniel Webster (0-25)

*Denotes Provisional School
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on March 21, 2006, 05:00:11 PM
Hoops  -   I know it's a silly task, but I wonder what the outlook for our  winless wonders is  -  who is sure to improve, who might continue their losing ways?  DC,  how is Caltech going to be next year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on March 21, 2006, 06:14:38 PM
I am pretty sure this is the worst season Camden has had in several years.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on March 21, 2006, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 21, 2006, 05:00:11 PM
DC,  how is Caltech going to be next year?

Really, really smart. :)

Three starters from this year's cigarless wonders will have graduated, including Jordan Carlson who was named to the all-SCIAC second team.  They do have a legitimately good D3 player returning in 6'6" forward Bryan Hires, who averaged 9.4 points and 4.9 rebounds in SCIAC play as a freshman.  Whether they can build around him as well as their several near-successes this year remains to be seen. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on March 21, 2006, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 21, 2006, 09:02:54 PM
Really, really smart. :)

:D :D :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on March 21, 2006, 09:46:09 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 21, 2006, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 21, 2006, 09:02:54 PM
Really, really smart. :)

:D :D :D

I second that.......nice DC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 22, 2006, 08:56:52 AM

Caltech gave a few teams a run at it this year.  They were not the worst team in D-III, they just suffer the ill effects of not playing in New England.  I think they could have won 5-10 games playing a NAC schedule or even as an independant in the NE region.

I expect Camden will improve.  Principia can't be that bad forever.  Presque-Isle is up for consideration for the GNAC, so that might translate into a win or two against D-III opponents.

Caltech is the most likely candidate to appear on this list again next year, but I would hope each of these teams will be replaced by someone new.  I just hope its not my school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2006, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 22, 2006, 08:56:52 AMPrincipia can't be that bad forever.

I'd figured that Principia had some built-in institutional peculiarities, much like Caltech's situation, that make it difficult for that school to field competitive teams. It had occurred to me that the school's unique sectarian ties (they're a Christian Science school) might be something of a hindrance to athletic recruiting. There was a big human-interest piece in the Chicago Tribune a few years ago about the futility of the Principia football team, the smallness of its roster, and the problems engendered in the area of dealing with injuries by the very restrictive doctrines Christian Science applies to medicine.

However, after checking the SLIAC website, it turns out that the Panthers actually do OK in the league's all-sports standings. They typically finish anywhere from fourth to sixth among the eight SLIAC schools in those standings every year, and they seem to do particularly well in the running sports (both men and women) and in women's soccer. Their problems with men's basketball must have some other explanation besides the sectarian one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 23, 2006, 08:45:13 AM

Yeah, Sager, haven't you heard? Scientology is cool now.... oh wait; nevermind.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on March 23, 2006, 09:21:11 AM
Principia's problem this year was that they lost over 80% of their scoring and rebounding from the previous year due to graduation.  That prior year team had made the 4 team conference playoffs.  They were extremely inexperienced this year - I didn't see them play, but they didn't play anyone close in the conference this year .   Working in their favor next year is the addition to the conference of Lincoln Christian (Eureka also joins) - Prin split with Lincoln this year in nonconference games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 23, 2006, 09:45:43 AM

Yes, but is Lincoln Christian going to be provisional d3 next year?  If they aren't its not going to help Principia any.  You need d3 (or at least partial d3) wins to get off our list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on March 23, 2006, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 23, 2006, 08:45:13 AM

Yeah, Sager, haven't you heard? Scientology is cool now.... oh wait; nevermind.

Despite the fact that Mary Baker Eddy and L. Ron Hubbard looked so much alike, Christian Science and Scientology are not the same thing.  Besides, I don't think Christian Science was ever trendy.

I suspect you knew that, based on the "nevermind," but there may be others who confuse these two concepts.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 23, 2006, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 23, 2006, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 23, 2006, 08:45:13 AM

Yeah, Sager, haven't you heard? Scientology is cool now.... oh wait; nevermind.

Despite the fact that Mary Baker Eddy and L. Ron Hubbard looked so much alike, Christian Science and Scientology are not the same thing.  Besides, I don't think Christian Science was ever trendy.

I suspect you knew that, based on the "nevermind," but there may be others who confuse these two concepts.

Yeah, that was why the joke was in there.  The funny thing is that they are quite different in beliefs and practices and yet are equally ostracized by society.  I think that is really why people have a hard time telling them apart, well that and the prominence of "science" in both of their names.

By the way, have you ever seen pictures?  Mary Baker Eddy bears a very troubling resemblence to a young L Ron Hubbard...very mannish.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2006, 01:53:10 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 23, 2006, 11:27:14 AMBy the way, have you ever seen pictures?  Mary Baker Eddy bears a very troubling resemblence to a young L Ron Hubbard...very mannish.

Yes, but how readable were her science fiction novels?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 24, 2006, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2006, 01:53:10 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 23, 2006, 11:27:14 AMBy the way, have you ever seen pictures?  Mary Baker Eddy bears a very troubling resemblence to a young L Ron Hubbard...very mannish.

Yes, but how readable were her science fiction novels?

Science & Health is quite a page turner.



(Sorry, but that was just an irresitable set up.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on March 24, 2006, 09:57:01 AM
Yeah, I don't think Hollywood stars could be Christian Scientists. How'd they get their plastic surgery done???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 24, 2006, 10:13:26 AM

Um, I don't think there's anything technically wrong with plastic surgery, its just you know, necessary medical procedures that are a problem.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 24, 2006, 10:15:31 AM

I don't want to sound like I'm making fun of the whole thing.  I'm not.  I don't necessarily believe the the validity of some of it.  I just don't want to get called intolerant or anything.  I think that probably goes for the rest of us here.



Ok, so now that we got the disclaimer out of the way: back to the (good natured and not in any way hateful) jokes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2006, 09:22:42 PM
Quote from: smedindy on March 24, 2006, 09:57:01 AM
Yeah, I don't think Hollywood stars could be Christian Scientists. How'd they get their plastic surgery done???

Jean Harlow was a Christian Scientist.  There are conflicting reports, but my late professional associate had significant ties to the "Science" community.  He maintained that she was a Scientist.   

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001318/bio
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2006, 09:41:02 PM
Here is another site listing Scientists.


http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_chrsci.html
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 27, 2006, 10:48:31 AM

I've checked out that adherents site; its borderline at best.  They list people whose parent's were adherents and like anyone who have ever mentioned going to church is listed in that denomination's page.

Although, Milton Berle is certainly a cool one to see for Eddy's crew.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 30, 2006, 10:42:50 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2006, 01:53:10 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 23, 2006, 11:27:14 AMBy the way, have you ever seen pictures?  Mary Baker Eddy bears a very troubling resemblence to a young L Ron Hubbard...very mannish.

Yes, but how readable were her science fiction novels?

Now, is this really a fair point of contrast - how readable were L Ron Hubbard's?!

I confess I have never had a desire to read one, but I have read that they were awful.

Perhaps her LACK of sci-fi novels was a greater contribution to literature than his novels were! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 31, 2006, 09:14:12 AM

OK, I have to admit, I've never read anything by L Ron Hubbard.  I went to the used book store the other day to pick up a copy of Dianetics.  I figured I'd check out what this Scientology craze was all about.  Do you know how long Dianetics is?  It's like 1200 pages?  No way am I going to devote that much time to finding out why Tom Cruise is nuts!

I did see Battlefield Earth though, which lived up to its billing in Entertainment Weekly (and this is an actual quote) "A million monkeys with a million typewriters in a million years would be hard-pressed to come up with the drivel that is Battlefield Earth."  However, it was so hideously bad and John Travolta was so grossely mis-cast that it was one of the funniest movies I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 11:53:41 AM
I read Battlefield Earth a long long time ago.  I thought it was ok, but then again anything to read is ok when you are stuck on a submarine submerged of the coast of the former Evil Empire for over ninety days.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 31, 2006, 12:15:05 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 11:53:41 AM
I read Battlefield Earth a long long time ago.  I thought it was ok, but then again anything to read is ok when you are stuck on a submarine submerged of the coast of the former Evil Empire for over ninety days.

What were you doing lurking under the Hudson River in Queens?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 03:56:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 31, 2006, 12:15:05 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 11:53:41 AM
I read Battlefield Earth a long long time ago.  I thought it was ok, but then again anything to read is ok when you are stuck on a submarine submerged of the coast of the former Evil Empire for over ninety days.

What were you doing lurking under the Hudson River in Queens?

The hudson river doesn't run by Queens, the East river runs by Queens.  Besides no sub could dive in those rivers, too much pollution.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 31, 2006, 04:08:01 PM

Whoops, my bad.  I actually meant in the Bronx as a reference to your statement about the Evil Empire.  But, I guess, even then its still the Harlem River, isn't it?  Man, it's been too long since I've been to New York.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 04:54:03 PM
Yup, the Hudson flows past Manhattan and maybe the tip of Brooklyn.  There is no evil empire in the Bronx, just the greatest baseball team of all time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 31, 2006, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 04:54:03 PMThere is no evil empire in the Bronx, just the greatest baseball team of all time.

You are beaten. It is useless to resist. Don't let yourself be destroyed as Obi-Wan did.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 07:11:42 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 31, 2006, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 04:54:03 PMThere is no evil empire in the Bronx, just the greatest baseball team of all time.

You are beaten. It is useless to resist. Don't let yourself be destroyed as Obi-Wan did.

Greg, I am your father, together we could rule MLB.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 31, 2006, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 07:11:42 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 31, 2006, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 31, 2006, 04:54:03 PMThere is no evil empire in the Bronx, just the greatest baseball team of all time.

You are beaten. It is useless to resist. Don't let yourself be destroyed as Obi-Wan did.

Greg, I am your father, together we could rule MLB.

I confess I had always had suspicions about 'stalker's true identity (after all, New Jersey - dark side?).

From now on may we call you 'Darth', or do you insist on 'Mr. Vader'?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on September 07, 2006, 11:23:30 PM
everyone!!!!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 08, 2006, 09:29:59 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on September 07, 2006, 11:23:30 PM
everyone!!!!  ;D ;)


What was that all about?  It's like virtual tourette's or something.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on September 08, 2006, 01:10:39 PM
Uhm... everyone is still in survival pool for this year ???

I dunno, I thought it was funny.  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 08, 2006, 01:41:42 PM


Oooooooooooooooh.  Ok.  Well I guess that makes sense.  I'm still referring to it as virtual tourette's.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 09, 2006, 07:01:58 AM

Quote from: diehardfan on September 07, 2006, 11:23:30 PM
everyone!!!!  ;D ;)

Quote from: Hoops Fan on September 08, 2006, 09:29:59 AM
What was that all about?  It's like virtual tourette's or something.

I was playing jeopardy with myself trying to find the question to April's answer.  I couldn't find it.   ???  :D

The only "EVERYONE!" quote that came to mind was from a scene in the movie The Professional.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on September 09, 2006, 07:00:24 PM
Quote from: Old School on September 09, 2006, 07:01:58 AM
I was playing jeopardy with myself trying to find the question to April's answer.  I couldn't find it.   ???  :D

>:( :P The question would be the name of the board (and therefore my message subject) OBVIOUSLY!  :P :-* ;) :D ;D 8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 12, 2006, 03:19:39 AM

There's an implied question in the board title, but no explicit question.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 05, 2006, 02:07:24 PM
;D  SURVIVOR PICKS MUST BE MADE BY FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH!!!! ;D

It looks like most of the teams start their regular season on this day.  So, make sure your picks are in before tip off.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
I may not be smart, but I AM loyal - Illinois Wesleyan.

I bet I won't have to share the choice THIS year! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 05, 2006, 03:20:59 PM
I'm gonna stay with my boys from last year... Wooster
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 05, 2006, 06:24:24 PM
Please remind us of the rules.  Any loss to any team (regular season, not exhibition) and you're out, right?  So if the team I pick goes out and loses to UCLA, I'm out (and stupid), right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2006, 07:46:29 PM
David,

That is correct (see p. 1).  But I have my doubts that your team (WOOever it may be ;)) will play UCLA (or anyone like them) in anything other than an exhibition!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 05, 2006, 08:19:52 PM
I think I am going to do this.  Since I don't really care if I win this I will just throw a school out there and hope for the best.  (They better not lose to Salisbury this year in close games like they did last year or I will be done by December 2nd)

My Pick is York(PA)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 06, 2006, 12:37:47 AM
RULES FROM PAGE ONE

Quote from: Old School on November 16, 2005, 02:35:48 AM
Thought I'd start an official survivor pool this year.  I remember someone having a pseudo pool last year that also involved who would be the last team to win a game, let alone lose a game.

So, here it is.  The rules are simple.  Pick a team that you think will be the last team to lose a game, any game, against any opponent, in any division, even NAIA.  A loss is a loss is a loss (excluding exibitions).  If need be, this will, of course, go into the post season.

I guess that's the only rule of this pool.  Any questions? 

Feel free to post your team and I'll try to keep track of everything...hopefully some posters will help me with who loses.  If you want to post a team that you think will be the last to WIN a game, feel free, but someone else can keep track of that!  ;D

Any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 06, 2006, 12:40:59 AM
Quote from: Old School on November 16, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
You can pick a team that's already been selected.  It's not a draft.  ::)

There's no money on it. 

Remember, it's the last team to lose...regardless of how many wins they have.  It's not the team with the most wins prior to losing.  It's the date.  I remember some people picking Ahmerst (I think) and they had a 20 day break or something like that!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 05:41:36 AM
Quote from: Old School on November 16, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
You can pick a team that's already been selected.  It's not a draft.  ::)

Yeah, but you're definitely cooler than everyone else if you don't go with the crowd by picking a team that other people are picking as well. Originality counts. ;) And I think that you should get style points as well if you pick a team that didn't get any votes in the d3hoops.com preseason poll.

With that in mind, my pick is NYU. Go Fighting Violets ... the mightiest flowers in all of Division III!  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2006, 09:10:51 AM

I think I'm going to go with Mississippi College this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 06, 2006, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 05:41:36 AM
Yeah, but you're definitely cooler than everyone else if you don't go with the crowd by picking a team that other people are picking as well.

I didn't realize you were worried about how cool people perceived you as, Mr. Sager.  ::) :D

I'm still undecided, but apparently I'm not picking NYU, Wooster, Mississippi College, York (PA) or Ill. Wes.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 06, 2006, 04:56:22 PM
I'll take the Maryville College (TN) Fighting Scots this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2006, 05:19:29 PM

You better pick quick OS if you don't want to duplicate someone's pick, or else you might be stuck with the Pointers, and you'd never want that!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 06, 2006, 09:26:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
I may not be smart, but I AM loyal - Illinois Wesleyan.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 06, 2006, 05:19:29 PM
You better pick quick OS if you don't want to duplicate someone's pick, or else you might be stuck with the Pointers, and you'd never want that!!

I'm still trying to decide if I want to be LOYAL or COOL.

To start the season:

At #17 Carroll
At #13 Lawrence
Ripon
At (#27) Oshkosh
at River Falls
#4 Whitewater

I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be loyal.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2006, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: Old School on November 06, 2006, 09:26:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
I may not be smart, but I AM loyal - Illinois Wesleyan.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 06, 2006, 05:19:29 PM
You better pick quick OS if you don't want to duplicate someone's pick, or else you might be stuck with the Pointers, and you'd never want that!!

I'm still trying to decide if I want to be LOYAL or COOL.

To start the season:

At #17 Carroll
At #13 Lawrence
Ripon
At (#27) Oshkosh
at River Falls
#4 Whitewater

I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be loyal.  ;)

Aw, c'mon - IWU's start is AT LEAST that tough!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Old School on November 06, 2006, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 05:41:36 AM
Yeah, but you're definitely cooler than everyone else if you don't go with the crowd by picking a team that other people are picking as well.

I didn't realize you were worried about how cool people perceived you as, Mr. Sager.  ::) :D

I'm not worried about it at all. If people don't think of me as cool, then the problem of perception is obviously theirs and not mine.  ;) :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 06, 2006, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2006, 10:21:41 PM
Aw, c'mon - IWU's start is AT LEAST that tough!

The least you could've done was post their games to start...or at least provied a link to their schedule!  :'( ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 06, 2006, 11:33:07 PM
I'll take Amherst.......

I'll take my chances with that early January game at Williams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2006, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: Old School on November 06, 2006, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2006, 10:21:41 PM
Aw, c'mon - IWU's start is AT LEAST that tough!

The least you could've done was post their games to start...or at least provied a link to their schedule!  :'( ;D

I confess - I haven't even studied their 'preseason' [that's for you, Greg! ;)] schedule.  They ALWAYS play such a tough nonconference schedule, I'm just assuming. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2006, 08:52:14 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Old School on November 06, 2006, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 05:41:36 AM
Yeah, but you're definitely cooler than everyone else if you don't go with the crowd by picking a team that other people are picking as well.

I didn't realize you were worried about how cool people perceived you as, Mr. Sager.  ::) :D

I'm not worried about it at all. If people don't think of me as cool, then the problem of perception is obviously theirs and not mine.  ;) :D


Wow... spoken like a true nerd.


Quote from: sac on November 06, 2006, 11:33:07 PM
I'll take Amherst.......

I'll take my chances with that early January game at Williams.

That's not the least of your worries.  I'd be more worried about Brandeis, Trinity (TX), Tufts and Bates than Williams at this point.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on November 07, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
I'd like to play this season.

My pick - The Rhode Island College Anchormen

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2006, 01:50:36 PM

RIC has a good team, but they have been mighty inconsistent in the past.  If they can put together a string of games like the one they just played against Iona, I think have a good shot of making to Amherst at the end of January.  It would be a big suprise, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2006, 01:50:51 PM

By the way, is anyone keeping track of these picks?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2006, 02:11:56 PM
With the HOPE that I curse their season, I'll take the Calvin Knights   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 07, 2006, 03:30:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 07, 2006, 01:50:51 PM
By the way, is anyone keeping track of these picks?

Of course.  They aren't going to scroll off anytime soon!  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2006, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: Old School on November 07, 2006, 03:30:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 07, 2006, 01:50:51 PM
By the way, is anyone keeping track of these picks?

Of course.  They aren't going to scroll off anytime soon!  ::)

So was that a yes or a no or a joke or some combination of all three?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CardinalAlum on November 07, 2006, 04:21:06 PM
North Central
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2006, 04:32:58 PM

I decided to keep a list just in case OldSchool misses one, we'll have a back-up record.  Ten teams have been selected and none have been duplicates yet.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hoopnews on November 07, 2006, 07:10:49 PM
Salem State
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 07, 2006, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 07, 2006, 04:32:58 PM

I decided to keep a list just in case OldSchool misses one, we'll have a back-up record.  Ten teams have been selected and none have been duplicates yet.

That's fair...never hurts to have insurance.  And yes, I'll keep track as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2006, 03:30:00 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 07, 2006, 08:52:14 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Old School on November 06, 2006, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 05:41:36 AM
Yeah, but you're definitely cooler than everyone else if you don't go with the crowd by picking a team that other people are picking as well.

I didn't realize you were worried about how cool people perceived you as, Mr. Sager.  ::) :D

I'm not worried about it at all. If people don't think of me as cool, then the problem of perception is obviously theirs and not mine.  ;) :D


Wow... spoken like a true nerd.

I've had lots of practice with that speech.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2006, 12:16:17 PM
Reverse psychology here...

Miss College Men
Hardin-Simmons Women!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2006, 11:21:22 PM
Whitworth it is! ??? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: oldreporter on November 11, 2006, 04:12:37 PM
Kings Point Mariners
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: MC Boy on November 13, 2006, 01:13:43 AM
Mississippi College all the way!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2006, 09:24:08 AM

I don't know how I feel now that MC is the most popular pick for the survivor pool.  Just remember that when I picked it, I was the only one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2006, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 13, 2006, 09:24:08 AM
I don't know how I feel now that MC is the most popular pick for the survivor pool.  Just remember that when I picked it, I was the only one.

Maybe it's not a matter of everyone thinking Mississippi College is that good, rather it's "Hey wow, that guy Hoops Fan picked Mississippi College and he seems like a smart guy, I'll pick them too!" ;D :D :P

I do that with Sager all the time.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2006, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: Old School on November 13, 2006, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 13, 2006, 09:24:08 AM
I don't know how I feel now that MC is the most popular pick for the survivor pool.  Just remember that when I picked it, I was the only one.

Maybe it's not a matter of everyone thinking Mississippi College is that good, rather it's "Hey wow, that guy Hoops Fan picked Mississippi College and he seems like a smart guy, I'll pick them too!" ;D :D :P

I do that with Sager all the time.  ;)


Called smart and compared to Sager;  I'm dodging lightning bolts over here.  Stop it!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 13, 2006, 06:27:12 PM
 if know one  has not taken wooster i will take them  or i will take witt i hate to take calvin
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2006, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 13, 2006, 06:27:12 PM
if know one  has not taken wooster i will take them  or i will take witt i hate to take calvin

The pool is not exclusive - you can pick Woo even though they have already been picked.

Last year I picked IWU (along with several others); being a loyal alum, this year I picked IWU again, though I don't expect to have to share! ;D 

(While my pick was obvious 'homerism', it was also serious - despite graduating 7 of their top 8, they've got some REAL talent.  Because so many are new, I'll PROBABLY be knocked out early, but if they come together they should be VERY dangerous come January and February.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 13, 2006, 06:41:31 PM
ok     i will  pick hope this year
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2006, 09:06:13 AM

I'll let you go this time, but on a message board like this we can't have too many picks from one person floating around.  So if you already picked, you're stuck there.


I can just see this coming down to some crazy technicality in late January when the second to last team loses for the first time.

This is what I have so far:

Mr. Ypsi            Illinois Wesleyan
Point Special        College of Wooster
PrideSportBBallGuy   York (PA)
Gregory Sager      NYU
HoopsFan       Mississippi College
David Collinge       Maryville College (TN)
Sac                    Amherst
Unbearable       Rhode Island College
Flying Dutch Fan  Calvin College
Cardinal Alum      North Central
Hoopnews     Salem State
hope1                Hope
Ralph Turner     Mississippi College
Old School      Whitworth
oldreporter      King's Point
MC Boy               Mississippi College
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: digs on November 14, 2006, 02:51:25 PM
against any better judgement I'll go with Occidental
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: larry_u on November 14, 2006, 09:33:47 PM
In the blind faith department....Lawrence is my pick
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2006, 09:17:10 AM

Alright, there is our first pick for last year's winner.  As it stands the only duplicate pick so far is my own, Mississippi College, which had been chosen by three posters.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 15, 2006, 10:49:32 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 15, 2006, 09:17:10 AM

Alright, there is our first pick for last year's winner.  As it stands the only duplicate pick so far is my own, Mississippi College, which had been chosen by three posters.

Which means one of four things   ;D ;D ;D

1. It's a great pick, and is obvious enough that several people have picked it

2. Your basketball knowledge is so great, that others are just following your lead  ;)

3. Some people figure if they're gonna go down, it might as well be with someone else

4. It's some kind of sucking up to the guy who is compiling the info   :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2006, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 15, 2006, 10:49:32 AM
4. It's some kind of sucking up to the guy who is compiling the info   :o

Isn't Old School (who picked Whitworth) more or less in charge of this endeavor?  Or has there been a bloodless coup?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2006, 11:50:48 AM

I volunteered to compile data in the post before old school said he was doing it.  So I have a list, but I'm not officially in charge.


By the way, if #4 is correct, then the proper way to suck up would be to pick other schools so, in the off chance that I win, I'm the lone winner and can feel superior in some sense for an entire off-season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2006, 11:57:16 AM
Oh, I'll hold my nose and say Wittenberg.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2006, 04:14:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 15, 2006, 11:50:48 AM
I volunteered to compile data in the post before old school said he was doing it.  So I have a list, but I'm not officially in charge.

I just thought it was assumed I'd do it, though any help is appreciated.  This is what I have so far.  BTW, Greg, it's to be noted I picked someone that no one else picked AND they aren't ranked.  Am I as cool as you now?  :P


   Poster      Pick   
   sac      Amherst   
   Flying Dutch Fan      Calvin   
   hope1      Hope   
   Mr. Ypsi      Ill. Wes   
   oldreporter      Kings Point   
   larry u      Lawrence   
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)   
   Hoops Fan      Miss. College   
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College   
   MC Boy      Miss. College   
   CardinalAlum      North Central   
   Gregory Sager      NYU   
   digs      Occidental   
   unbearable      Rhode Island College   
   Hoopsnews      Salem St.   
   Old School      Whitworth   
   smedindy      Wittenberg   
   Point Special      Wooster   
   PrideSportBBallGuy      York (PA)   

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2006, 08:40:19 PM
Two days to go and we're less than half way there!  I think we had 46 or so last year!  >:( :-[ :'( ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2006, 09:02:26 PM
Has no one taken Va. Wes. - AMAZING!!

You know - defending national champions, most of the team returning, ranked nearly unanimously #1 in the country - NO ONE??!!

Being both loyal and stubborn, I'm sticking with the Wesleyan in Illinois, but c'mon! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: cardinalpride on November 15, 2006, 09:47:24 PM
My pick is North Central College!!!  Imagine that!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2006, 04:40:56 AM
Quote from: Old School on November 15, 2006, 04:14:43 PMBTW, Greg, it's to be noted I picked someone that no one else picked AND they aren't ranked.  Am I as cool as you now?  :P

Almost ... except that your team doesn't have a nickname as goofy/cool as "Fighting Violets".  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2006, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2006, 09:02:26 PM
Has no one taken Va. Wes. - AMAZING!!

You know - defending national champions, most of the team returning, ranked nearly unanimously #1 in the country - NO ONE??!!

Being both loyal and stubborn, I'm sticking with the Wesleyan in Illinois, but c'mon! :o

VAWes doesn't exactly strike me as the undefeated type.  I think that is probably the consensus around the board as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Titan Q on November 16, 2006, 08:27:30 PM
My pick is Virginia Wesleyan. 

This is like getting L. Tomlinson with the last pick of the first round in fantasy fb.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2006, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 15, 2006, 11:57:16 AM
Oh, I'll hold my nose and say Wittenberg.

Smed, it is reverse psychology!  Pick 'em and they will lose!

You are out of the contest.  They lost a ball game, hopefully to Wabash! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: wooscotsfan on November 16, 2006, 08:59:15 PM
It is a nice compliment to your favorite team when an educated WIAC fan like Point Special picks your squad.  :)

Gotta have someone in Ohio supporting the Scots, so I will also take Wooster as my pick.  :)


GO SCOTS!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2006, 09:04:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 16, 2006, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2006, 09:02:26 PM
Has no one taken Va. Wes. - AMAZING!!

You know - defending national champions, most of the team returning, ranked nearly unanimously #1 in the country - NO ONE??!!

Being both loyal and stubborn, I'm sticking with the Wesleyan in Illinois, but c'mon! :o

VAWes doesn't exactly strike me as the undefeated type.  I think that is probably the consensus around the board as well.
Quote from: Titan Q on November 16, 2006, 08:27:30 PM
My pick is Virginia Wesleyan. 

This is like getting L. Tomlinson with the last pick of the first round in fantasy fb.

Great timing, Q!

Your response is much better than what I had planned to reply! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 17, 2006, 12:10:26 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on November 16, 2006, 08:59:15 PM
It is a nice compliment to your favorite team when an educated WIAC fan like Point Special picks your squad.  :)

Gotta have someone in Ohio supporting the Scots, so I will also take Wooster as my pick.  :)


GO SCOTS!!

Let's hope we didn't just jinx your boys!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
I'll keep mine in-state and pick UW-Whitewater.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2006, 08:54:16 AM

Just a few more hours to get a pick in.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2006, 12:11:15 PM
I'll take a shot with WPI
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2006, 03:45:48 PM
Well the first game of the season has begun, so I assume the survivor pool is closed to new business.

Good luck all.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2006, 03:49:51 PM
First game started already?  Cool.  I'm having issues with my computer (i'm at the library right now).  But, all the picks are still posted, so I'll work on it over the weekend, if I get my computer back!  >:(  Otherwise, like I said, it's all posted...

And yes, it's closed now.  good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 19, 2006, 01:13:41 AM
Wow I am from the Villa Julie-York (Pa) area.  Since when did VJC have a good basketball team.  I am done, good luck to the rest of y'all. York(Pa) I am displeased.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2006, 08:19:24 PM
well, by my count there are 24 contest entrants, and 4 did not make it through the first Fridat/Saturday of the season

digs (Occidental),  hoopnews (Salem St), wlcalum83 (UW Whitewater), and pridesportsbballguy (York Pa) are eliminated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 19, 2006, 09:53:40 PM
I just hope York(Pa) wins the rest of the games finishing with national title.  (Ok thats wishful thinking, because the chances of that are very unlikely.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2006, 11:22:02 PM
According to a Miss College poster on the ASC board,

Wesley MS (NCCAA-2) 84, at Miss College 82.  This was Wesley MS' 9th game to Miss College's opener.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2006, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 15, 2006, 11:57:16 AM
Oh, I'll hold my nose and say Wittenberg.

Smed, it is reverse psychology!  Pick 'em and they will lose!

You are out of the contest.  They lost a ball game, hopefully to Wabash! ;)

Mission accomplished! ;)  I just didn't know it would occur so quickly! :-\

McMurry and Mississippi College have been the 2 most successful teams in the ASC.  They meet in Abilene on November 30th.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2006, 11:57:29 PM
Wow!  5 teams (and 7 posters) already down!

If I had bothered to check the schedule (rather than just be a homer), I would never have picked IWU.  Graduate 7 of your top 8 players, and second game AT the #4 ranked team in the country - are you kidding me?!  Even I'm not that crazy if I had checked!

Sure glad I didn't!  They've got a couple of traditionally tough NAIA opponents lurking, but early indications are they are both down.  They've got Hanover (their 'bane' the last few years), but they appear to be WAY down.  Unless the fact that they still have to wear nametags so their teammates will recognize them becomes a problem (a bad joke since they have plenty of experience together on JV!), I don't see any MAJOR threats before late January.

I'm starting to like my mindless homer pick! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 21, 2006, 12:21:36 AM
... Yeah Ypsi, but MY team scored over 120 pts in the first game, so  :P   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2006, 12:59:04 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 21, 2006, 12:21:36 AM
... Yeah Ypsi, but MY team scored over 120 pts in the first game, so  :P   ;D

True, but IWU didn't start the season against "Little Sisters of the Blind" then "Little Sisters of the Lame"! ;D :P 

(According to Q, despite their good record last year, our first victory may have been a bit tainted, but the second one is a keeper!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 21, 2006, 01:04:46 AM
Tru dat, tru dat...  but CoW DID still score 120 points!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2006, 01:14:08 AM
PS,

You take away the joy of posting it when you type CoW - they are COW!! ;D

Can you say MOO!!

(Sorry, David, but that tickles me!  It almost makes you MSU!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 21, 2006, 01:23:44 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2006, 01:14:08 AM
(Sorry, David, but that tickles me!  It almost makes you MSU!)

MSU!...I can't respond to this without getting banned.  >:(

;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 09:17:00 AM

Whitworth is starting to look real good about now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 21, 2006, 11:37:01 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2006, 01:14:08 AM
PS,

You take away the joy of posting it when you type CoW - they are COW!! ;D

Can you say MOO!!


... Now, I know that Wooster is pronounced "wuh-ster"... but when I saw that it was called the College of Wooster (or COW), it made me want to just say WOOOOO! (kind of like a cow with a speech impediment!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 21, 2006, 04:26:01 PM
By my count



   Poster      Team      Elimination   
   Sac      Amherst         
   FlyingDutchFan      Calvin         
   hope1      Hope         
   Mr. Ypsi      Ill. Wes.         
   oldreporter      King's Point         
   larry u      Lawrence         
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)         
   Hoops Fan      Miss. College      L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   MC Boy      Miss. College      L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College      L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Cardinal Alum      North Central         
   Cardinal Pride      North Central         
   Gregory Sager      NYU         
   digs      Occidental      L 72-63 to St. Thomas 11/17   
   unbearable      Rhode Island         
   Hoopsnews      Salem St.      L 85-73 to Roger Williams 11/18   
   Titan Q      Virginia Wes.         
   WLCalum83      Whitewater      L 69-68 OT to Ill. Wes. 11/18   
   Old School      Whitworth         
   Smedindy      Wittenberg         
   Point Special      Wooster         
   wooscotsfan      Wooster         
   hopefan      WPI         
   PSBBallGuy      York (PA)      L 71-69 to Villa Julie 11/18   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 04:59:17 PM

I'm jumping the boss' wagon: Whitworth it is.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2006, 11:21:25 PM
Scratch Lawrence off the survivor list - 67-70 to UWSP.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2006, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2006, 09:17:00 AM
Whitworth is starting to look real good about now.

Why is that?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 25, 2006, 01:54:15 AM
In the battle of Wesleyans, Ohio beat Illinois.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 25, 2006, 02:20:33 PM
Looks like hope1 or I is going down tonight (I HOPE it's me)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 25, 2006, 10:51:36 PM
CALVIN LOST  tonight so flying dutchmen is out
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 26, 2006, 07:41:01 AM
I exit the contest with a huge smile - knowing that my evil plot worked.  I picked Calvin hoping it would jinx them, but the Hope players did it for me!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2006, 07:12:32 PM
hopefan  WPI   GONE      :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 26, 2006, 09:58:21 PM
Emory beats #23 Maryville (TN) 93-82, and I'm gone.  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on November 27, 2006, 01:12:27 PM
I think this is right.  If so, then eleven particpants remain.  "These go to eleven."

Sac                   Amherst
hope1                Hope
Cardinal Alum      North Central
Cardinal Pride      North Central
Gregory Sager     NYU
unbearable          Rhode Island
Titan Q               Virginia Wes.
Old School          Whitworth
Smedindy            Wittenberg
Point Special        Wooster
wooscotsfan        Wooster   
   
   
   
   

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2006, 04:33:41 PM
Beat me to it, unbearable...good job! 

To confirm.

By my count



   Poster      Team      Elimination   
   Sac      Amherst         
   FlyingDutchFan      Calvin    L 76-54 to Hope 11/25
   hope1      Hope         
   Mr. Ypsi      Ill. Wes.   L 87-74 to Ohio Wes 11/24
   oldreporter      King's Point   L 107-85 to Kean 11/21
   larry u      Lawrence   L 70-67 to Stevens Point 11/21   
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)   L 93-82 to Emory 11/26      
   Hoops Fan      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   MC Boy      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Cardinal Alum      North Central         
   Cardinal Pride      North Central         
   Gregory Sager      NYU         
   digs      Occidental   L 72-63 to St. Thomas 11/17   
   unbearable      Rhode Island         
   Hoopsnews      Salem St.   L 85-73 to Roger Williams 11/18   
   Titan Q      Virginia Wes.         
   WLCalum83      Whitewater   L 69-68 OT to Ill. Wes. 11/18   
   Old School      Whitworth         
   Smedindy      Wittenberg         
   Point Special      Wooster         
   wooscotsfan      Wooster         
   hopefan      WPI    L 87-78 to Salem St. 11/26   
   PSBBallGuy      York (PA)   L 71-69 to Villa Julie 11/18   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2006, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Old School on November 27, 2006, 04:33:41 PM

   Poster      Team      Elimination   
    Sac      Amherst         
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)   L 93-82 to Emory 11/26      
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Gregory Sager      NYU         
   Titan Q      Virginia Wes.         


As usual, I'm letting down the good name of the Hall of Fame.  Oh, I suppose you could say that Ralph is too, but we all know that his pick was just his attempt to work voodoo on the Choctaws.  I have no such excuse.  :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2006, 06:41:58 PM
Mississippi College comes to McMurry this Thursday.  In fact McMurry has a great weekend with the Choctaws on Thursday, Louisiana College on Saturday and at Hardin-Simmons on Monday night.

It is hard to find a better women's rivalry than Hardin-Simmons/McMurry.  See photo gallery from 2005. (http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835)

The game is at HSU this time and starts at 5:30 pm with the Men to follow!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2006, 09:47:58 PM
If I'm counting it right (and no more losses already tonight), we have 12 teams (14 pickers) down, 8 teams (10 pickers) still surviving.  I don't know how this compares to previous years, but since we are supposedly picking only the 'best of the best', this seems a bit on the poor side for so early in the year.

If I had noticed that IWU was playing AT #4 UWW in their second game, I would never have picked them.  Once we survived that game, I thought things looked awfully good through about mid-January.  To recycle a cliche, I guess that is why they play the games!  (And why it may not be wise to pick a team that graduated 8 of its top 9 players, AND has a new coach!)

Per the NCAC board, I take it that Woo and Witt play each other in about two weeks.  Any other matchups of survivors on the horizon?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2006, 09:50:06 PM
Per the ODAC board, Va Wes falls to Averett.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2006, 10:46:55 PM
Per the Scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2006-11-27&team=m) as well.  It was 81-73 for Averett.

Also per the scoreboard, Sager's Fighting Violets stay unbeaten by throttling York (NY), 56-36.  York, of course, beat both #18 Christopher Newport and #7 WPU to start the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2006, 11:11:15 PM
David,

You may be right about Ralph (though 2 others picked MC as well), but unless you think Q picked Va Wes as a voodoo hex for keeping IWU from the title game (which, I suppose, IS a possibility!), you can stop flagellating yourself for letting down the HoF!  Pretty much ALL of us are going down in flames! ;D

And it's not even December yet! :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2006, 04:04:06 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2006, 09:47:58 PM
If I'm counting it right (and no more losses already tonight), we have 12 teams (14 pickers) down, 8 teams (10 pickers) still surviving. 

Thirteen pickers down, eleven still surviving, actually. You forgot one of the survivors, which is probably because OS inadvertently neglected to embolden unbearable and his pick of Rhode Island College.

Quote from: David Collinge on November 27, 2006, 10:46:55 PMAlso per the scoreboard, Sager's Fighting Violets stay unbeaten

This makes me sound like a ninja florist.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2006, 11:11:15 PM
David,

You may be right about Ralph (though 2 others picked MC as well), but unless you think Q picked Va Wes as a voodoo hex for keeping IWU from the title game (which, I suppose, IS a possibility!), you can stop flagellating yourself for letting down the HoF!

Actually, Bob picked VWC because he was a late entry and the Marlins were clearly the best team left that nobody had picked. As he put it, it was like getting LaDainian Tomlinson late in a fantasy football draft. The fact that LaDainian got stuffed at the line of scrimmage against Averett this evening doesn't change the fact that it was still a canny pick rather than a voodoo hex.

However, I will be reaching into the mojo bag for the black cat bones and the John the Conquer root in order to put the whammy on Amherst. Yes, I want to be the last HOFer standing.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 28, 2006, 01:09:20 PM
Dec 9 Brandeis at Amherst

Do we get a special pin to place on the lapels of our HOF jackets if we're the last one standing?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2006, 04:36:41 AM
Quote from: sac on November 28, 2006, 01:09:20 PM
Dec 9 Brandeis at Amherst

Do we get a special pin to place on the lapels of our HOF jackets if we're the last one standing?

Only HOF curator Pat Coleman can answer that question. But if we do, I hope it's something that goes nicely with the yellow blazer.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 29, 2006, 09:20:20 AM
I thought they were PTI red!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 29, 2006, 10:54:19 AM
Sac's is a nice Hope Orange   :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2006, 06:33:49 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 29, 2006, 10:54:19 AM
Sac's is a nice Hope Orange   :o

That's because he spilled rancid Heinz ketchup all over it and forgot to have it dry-cleaned.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 30, 2006, 09:33:03 AM
If you recall, here were the loveable losers last year:

Winless vs D3 only
Maranatha Baptist (1-23)
Rutgers-Camden (1-23)
Principia (2-22)
Maine-Presque Isle (2-21)*

Winless
Caltech (0-25)
Daniel Webster (0-25)

this season -

Maranatha has a win, a non D-3 win against Emmaus

Rutgers - Camden is 2-1. They have a win over Curry!

Principia is 0-3 - and even lost to St. Louis Pharmacy

Maine - Presque Isle is 0-4 - but they came close against Mitchell

Cal Tech is 0-5 - but at least they're consistent. In their first three games, they gave up 81 points.

And by gosh, Daniel Webster is 2-1 - beating Johnson State and Anna Maria.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2006, 03:50:18 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 30, 2006, 09:33:03 AM
Principia is 0-3 - and even lost to St. Louis Pharmacy

I'd probably have St. Louis Pharmacy tested for steroids.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 30, 2006, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 29, 2006, 10:54:19 AM
Sac's is a nice Hope Orange   :o


This one looks pretty snazzy
http://orangeblazer.com/ (http://orangeblazer.com/)


I really have to learn how to insert pictures
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 30, 2006, 09:39:14 PM
BOY SAC THAT  LOOKS  NICE   LIKE BILL 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on December 01, 2006, 11:01:03 PM
HOPE LOST TONIGHT SO   HOPE  1 IS OUT OF IT
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ScotsFan on December 01, 2006, 11:47:52 PM
I'm kind of partial to one of these jackets, only in Black & Old Gold of course:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos1.blogger.com%2Fblogger%2F7209%2F447%2F1600%2FHerron%2520Plaid01.jpg&hash=4ef061883d6a10e2dc9f597402f04d850865ad0d) ;D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2006, 01:56:05 PM

Thanks for reminding us about the lovable losers from last season.  I'll get back into keeping that list, but probably not until after the holidays.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on December 02, 2006, 09:11:09 PM
I'm out.  Rhode Island College loses to undefeated Keene State by 4.  The amusing part is that I honestly was going to pick the winner of this game as my survivor.  I chose RIC over Keene because RIC had no tournament scheduled over holiday break.  I figured if RIC got by this one , they'd have twenty days or so in late December and early January in which they couldn't lose.

Do I get partial credit if Keene State is the eventual winner?

It was nice rubbing shoulders with the hall of famers in here.  Sadly, I will now return to the East region rooms, having to be content with my memories of mid-80s Potsdam glory.... Sigh.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2006, 09:34:14 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2006, 04:04:06 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2006, 09:47:58 PM
If I'm counting it right (and no more losses already tonight), we have 12 teams (14 pickers) down, 8 teams (10 pickers) still surviving. 

Thirteen pickers down, eleven still surviving, actually. You forgot one of the survivors, which is probably because OS inadvertently neglected to embolden unbearable and his pick of Rhode Island College.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2006, 11:11:15 PM
David,

You may be right about Ralph (though 2 others picked MC as well), but unless you think Q picked Va Wes as a voodoo hex for keeping IWU from the title game (which, I suppose, IS a possibility!), you can stop flagellating yourself for letting down the HoF!

Actually, Bob picked VWC because he was a late entry and the Marlins were clearly the best team left that nobody had picked. As he put it, it was like getting LaDainian Tomlinson late in a fantasy football draft. The fact that LaDainian got stuffed at the line of scrimmage against Averett this evening doesn't change the fact that it was still a canny pick rather than a voodoo hex.

However, I will be reaching into the mojo bag for the black cat bones and the John the Conquer root in order to put the whammy on Amherst. Yes, I want to be the last HOFer standing.  ;)

Greg,

I was just anticipating the Keene over RIC game!  (I suppose this would be a more convincing excuse if I had not picked RIC in the Pick Em! ;D)

I recall what Bob said when picking Va Wes.  But don't you think there may have been a LITTLE bit of voodoo jinx involved!! ;)

Just remember - IWU ALWAYS gets their revenge.  Sometimes it is sooner, sometimes it is later, but it WILL happen!  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2006, 02:09:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2006, 04:04:06 AM
Thirteen pickers down, eleven still surviving, actually. You forgot one of the survivors, which is probably because OS inadvertently neglected to embolden unbearable and his pick of Rhode Island College.

Apparently that was a sign of things to come since they lost!  Oops.  :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 03, 2006, 02:16:34 PM
So by my count, we're down to 6 survivors:
Sac (Amherst)
Gregory Sager (NYU)
Old School (Whitworth, who is already 9-0 with another game today)
Smedindy (Wittenberg, unbeaten survivors of 5 overtime periods)
Point Special (Wooster)
Wooscotsfan (Wooster)

Wooster and Wittenberg play this Saturday in Springfield.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2006, 02:23:23 PM
Upated:  I was working on it as you posted it! lol  ;D

By my count



   Poster      Team      Elimination   
   Sac      Amherst         
   FlyingDutchFan      Calvin    L 76-54 to Hope 11/25
   hope1      Hope   L 71-65 to Carthage F 12/1
   Mr. Ypsi      Ill. Wes.   L 87-74 to Ohio Wes 11/24
   oldreporter      King's Point   L 107-85 to Kean 11/21
   larry u      Lawrence   L 70-67 to Stevens Point 11/21   
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)   L 93-82 to Emory 11/26      
   Hoops Fan      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   MC Boy      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Cardinal Alum   North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Gregory Sager      NYU         
   digs      Occidental   L 72-63 to St. Thomas 11/17   
   unbearable      Rhode Island   L 82-78 to Keene St. S 12/2
   Hoopsnews      Salem St.   L 85-73 to Roger Williams 11/18   
   Titan Q      Virginia Wes.L 81-73 to Averett 11/27
   WLCalum83      Whitewater   L 69-68 OT to Ill. Wes. 11/18   
   Old School      Whitworth         
   Smedindy      Wittenberg         
   Point Special      Wooster         
   wooscotsfan      Wooster         
   hopefan      WPI    L 87-78 to Salem St. 11/26   
   PSBBallGuy      York (PA)   L 71-69 to Villa Julie 11/18   

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2006, 07:13:17 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2006, 09:34:14 PMJust remember - IWU ALWAYS gets their revenge.  Sometimes it is sooner, sometimes it is later, but it WILL happen!  :D

That deserves a truly Aprilesque response, Chuck:

::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

:D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2006, 03:19:24 PM
Here it is suvivalists  -  the list you've been waiting for  -  the one we love to follow - those loveable loser's - the winless!!

These are the totally winless - I am not keeping the D3 scores in a data base this season ( wife threatened me with worse than murder), so I could not easily come up with winless vs D3 only

The winless thru Thursdays games are:
Northeast   :  Albertus Magnus (0-6),  East Nazarene (0-8),  Emmanuel  (0-5),  Fitchburg (0-7),  Green Mountain (0-7), Maine Presque Isle (0-5)

East  :  Bard (0-7)  Skidmore  (0-4)

Atlantic -  no more candidates!!!

Mid Atlantic :  PSU Berks (0-6)

South :  Louisiana College (0-7),  Thomas More  (0-7)

Midwest :  Clarke (0-7), Principia (0-5),  Rockford (0-4)

Great Lakes  :  Adrian (0-4),  Earlham (0-5), Hiram  (0-4)

West :  Caltech (0-5),  Concordia Moorhead  (0-5)  Whitman (0-4)

20 in all, we'll follow their exploits the rest of the way!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2006, 03:25:52 PM

I'll keep the d3 only list as soon as out numbers get a bit smaller. I think I'll get around to compiling it after the holidays.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2006, 10:14:37 AM
Our unvictorious group of 20 took quite a hit yesterday, with 5 falling off the list  -  Green Mountain had an overtime win vs Paul Smith's, and Clarke, Earlham, Hiram, and Bard each got their first wins.  Rockford headed the loss column with a 44 point loss to Lakeland  -  so we're down to 15 perfect records, (though Albertus and Maine Presqu Isle scores were not yet reported).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2006, 11:03:56 AM
Please remember that Clarke is headed to the NAIA next season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 11, 2006, 12:47:31 AM
Clarke's rather much swimming in the wrong direction!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2006, 01:12:03 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 11, 2006, 12:47:31 AM
Clarke's rather much swimming in the wrong direction!

Smed, when Clarke announced what they were doing, I looked at the map.

In Dubuque, they were geographically isolated from the remainder of the NAthCon.
They don't offer football which is mandatory for the IIAC, which is the next logical choice in D3.
There is a concentration of NAIA schools in that part of the Midwest (http://www.midwest-classic.com/map.php).  Dubuque is roughly where Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin come together.

This appeared to be one of the rare cases (IMHO) where a school could go to the NAIA, and possibly improve their situation (http://www.clarke.edu/page.aspx?id=2874).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2006, 05:42:30 AM
As I said in a conversation with a Clarke fan in the NIIC room last season, Clarke's current enrollment ratio is 71% women, 29% men. The smart thing for Clarke to do would be to start a football program. If the school's braintrust had decided to do that rather than shift from D3 to NAIA they would've not only gone a ways towards evening out their gender imbalance, they also would have become a palatable possibility for IIAC expansion. Loras and Dubuque are right across town, and four of the other seven IIAC schools are fairly close by. Besides, it would've given the league an even number of members (ten).

The problem with joining the Midwest Classic Conference, from Clarke's point of view, is that they're now going to have to offer athletic scholies in order to be competitive in that league.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2006, 08:53:00 AM
+1 Greg.  Thanks for the comments.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2006, 06:53:08 PM
I don't know the athletic program situation at Rockford, but their soccer team folded about 3 games into the season.  If the basketball team is anything like that, competitive wise, they may not win a game this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2006, 09:57:36 PM
Old School  -  wonder why Rockford is on that path - as I remember, they were an NIIC contender just tow years ago and had over 20 wins twoyears before that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2006, 11:12:23 PM
Updated

By my count



   Poster      Team      Elimination   
   Sac      Amherst (7-0)   Nxt Gm:  at Worcester State 12/12
   FlyingDutchFan      Calvin    L 76-54 to Hope 11/25
   hope1      Hope   L 71-65 to Carthage F 12/1
   Mr. Ypsi      Ill. Wes.   L 87-74 to Ohio Wes 11/24
   oldreporter      King's Point   L 107-85 to Kean 11/21
   larry u      Lawrence   L 70-67 to Stevens Point 11/21   
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)   L 93-82 to Emory 11/26      
   Hoops Fan      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   MC Boy      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Cardinal Alum   North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Gregory Sager      NYU (7-0)Nxt Gm:  vs. SUNY-Old Westbury 12/29
   digs      Occidental   L 72-63 to St. Thomas 11/17   
   unbearable      Rhode Island   L 82-78 to Keene St. S 12/2
   Hoopsnews      Salem St.   L 85-73 to Roger Williams 11/18   
   Titan Q      Virginia Wes.L 81-73 to Averett 11/27
   WLCalum83      Whitewater   L 69-68 OT to Ill. Wes. 11/18   
   Old School      Whitworth (10-0)   Nxt Gm:  at UC Santa Cruz 1/2
   Smedindy      Wittenberg   L 68-65 to Wooster Sat. 12/9
   Point Special      Wooster (7-0)    Nxt Gm:  vs. Cedarville 12/16
   wooscotsfan      Wooster (7-0)   Nxt Gm:  vs. Cedarville 12/16
   hopefan      WPI    L 87-78 to Salem St. 11/26   
   PSBBallGuy      York (PA)   L 71-69 to Villa Julie 11/18   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 12, 2006, 03:21:53 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2006, 09:57:36 PM
Old School  -  wonder why Rockford is on that path - as I remember, they were an NIIC contender just tow years ago and had over 20 wins twoyears before that.

The three best players for the Regents last season are no longer with the team, and their replacements aren't nearly as good. There's only ten guys suiting up for every game, eight of whom see appreciable playing time. The only player on the team taller than 6'3 is a spot-up shooter who plays on the perimeter rather than in the low post.

As I said in the NAthC room, my guess is that the coach has found himself in a no-win recruiting situation because the school is in such bad shape. Rumors are widespread that Rockford College will not survive in its current incarnation beyond this school year. What I was told by a couple of college administrators familiar with the Rockford situation is that the school's only hope may be a bailout by Northern Illinois University, which is located in the town of DeKalb about fifty miles southeast of Rockford. The idea would be to keep Rockford College, which from its inception has been a private independent school, alive as an honors-level branch campus of NIU.

I've seen the Regents, and while they are nobody's idea of a good D3 basketball team -- not by a country mile -- I don't think they'll end the season sitting on Hopefan's list of 0-fers. My guess is that they'll garner at least a split with Maranatha Baptist this year, and I think they'll also manage to steal at least one win against somebody else in the NAthC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2006, 11:03:01 AM
Several more teams dropped off our list of unvictorious by winning in the last several days including Maine Presque Isle, Fitchburg, and Skidmore

So our list is down to 12


Northeast   :  Albertus Magnus (0-8) (Albertus and Emmanuel play twice),  East Nazarene (0-8)  (lost several close games to weak schools, things get tougher),  Emmanuel  (0-6)

East  -  no more candidates!!! 

Atlantic -  no more candidates!!!

Mid Atlantic :  PSU Berks (0-7) (should get wins in conference)


South :  Louisiana College (0-8) (lost to Schreiner last night - tough schedule left),  Thomas More  (0-7) (should get wins in conference)

Midwest :  Principia (0-6)  (average loss by 42, but SLIAC will present opportunities to win),  Rockford (0-6)  (Marantha tonite)

Great Lakes  :  Adrian (0-5) (4 of 5 were close)

West :  Caltech (0-5) (average loss by 38),  Concordia Moorhead  (0-7)  (including 3 ot losses),  Whitman (0-6)  (ot loss, 3 other losses by less than 10)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 15, 2006, 03:48:55 PM
Nice work, hopefan.  I like reading up on the lovable losers!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2006, 06:47:01 PM
Hope you're right Oxy, but I do note that the last time Caltek played Santa Cruz, the Slug won by 50 (two years ago), yet they finished 6 - 19.  As you know better than I (I've never seen Caltech play), you must have to be way DOWN to lose to Tech
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2006, 11:01:30 PM
Rocckford goes down to victory (67-56, I believe), and falls off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2006, 11:30:42 PM
I knew they didn't have a chance against Marantha  -  didn't know what hit 'em...   Down to 11 left.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 16, 2006, 06:01:42 PM
Must have been the fastest 2nd half ever........

UC Santa Cruz 61  Caltech 49
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2006, 11:19:08 PM
LaCollege 80, Texas Lutheran 68. (http://www.lacollege.edu/athletics/basketball_m/stats_06-07/lctlum.htm)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2006, 12:31:39 AM
So with Louisiana College's win, We're down to 10

PAT COLEMAN  - if you read this, D3 hoops has the Schreiner - La Coll score backwards, with La Coll winning - they LOST to Schreiner, but indeed came back to beat  TexLu   (maybe they thought they were going for 2 in a row..... :D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2006, 11:00:45 AM
In what would have passed for a stunning upset in past years  (maybe this year too), we lose another from our list of the winless as Whitman beats Biola by 2, 71-69.   We are now down to 9.   Adrian and Caltek both play today, and Adrian and Thomas More have games during the week, but the other 6 are going home for the holidays as firmly planted members on the list.

Oxybob commented that Caltech's best chance of victory may be versus Bard in January.  That is a loser's game of epic proportions.  Bard has only one win (where they sqeaked by Anna Maria by 4), with 8 losses, most pretty decisive.  And Anna Maria has only 2 wins, one of which was another matchup with Bard.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2006, 02:58:09 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2006, 11:00:45 AM
In what would have passed for a stunning upset in past years  (maybe this year too), we lose another from our list of the winless as Whitman beats Biola by 2, 71-69. 

Given the fact that Biola is a perennially strong team from the excellent GSAC (NAIA-1's best league), and Whitman tends to be one of the NWC laggards, this still qualifies as a stunning upset. However, Biola (6-4) does appear to be a little down this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2006, 09:45:39 AM
Adrian and Caltek both lose on Sunday to keep the list at 9  -  Caltek upped their average a snig by losing to Pacific by 41
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2006, 12:31:39 AM
So with Louisiana College's win, We're down to 10

PAT COLEMAN  - if you read this, D3 hoops has the Schreiner - La Coll score backwards, with La Coll winning - they LOST to Schreiner, but indeed came back to beat  TexLu   (maybe they thought they were going for 2 in a row..... :D)

Hopefan, I think that LaCollege loaded the score incorrectly.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2006, 08:00:46 AM
T More stays on the list with a solid loss to Centre last night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2006, 12:18:24 AM
Woo falls to Cal Baptist, 94-89(?).

It's now down to 2 HoFers and our beloved host. ;)

The tension mounts! ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 21, 2006, 12:31:21 AM
Wooster lost 94-89 on the road at Cal Baptist.

Cal Baptist's center, Andrew Bruckner, is 6'9", 270 lbs and he is a Division I transfer from UC Irvine.  Bruckner led Cal Baptist with 24 points and Wooster had no way to defend the big guy in the paint.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 21, 2006, 12:40:26 AM
Updated

By my count



   Poster      Team      Elimination   
   Sac      Amherst (8-0)   Nxt Gm:  at Trinity (TX) 12/31
   FlyingDutchFan      Calvin    L 76-54 to Hope 11/25
   hope1      Hope   L 71-65 to Carthage F 12/1
   Mr. Ypsi      Ill. Wes.   L 87-74 to Ohio Wes 11/24
   oldreporter      King's Point   L 107-85 to Kean 11/21
   larry u      Lawrence   L 70-67 to Stevens Point 11/21   
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)   L 93-82 to Emory 11/26      
   Hoops Fan      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   MC Boy      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Cardinal Alum   North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Gregory Sager      NYU (7-0)Nxt Gm:  vs. SUNY-Old Westbury 12/29
   digs      Occidental   L 72-63 to St. Thomas 11/17   
   unbearable      Rhode Island   L 82-78 to Keene St. S 12/2
   Hoopsnews      Salem St.   L 85-73 to Roger Williams 11/18   
   Titan Q      Virginia Wes.L 81-73 to Averett 11/27
   WLCalum83      Whitewater   L 69-68 OT to Ill. Wes. 11/18   
   Old School      Whitworth (10-0)   Nxt Gm:  at UC Santa Cruz 1/2
   Smedindy      Wittenberg   L 68-65 to Wooster Sat. 12/9
   Point Special      Wooster    L 94-89 to Cal. Baptist 12/27
   wooscotsfan      Wooster     L 94-89 to Cal. Baptist 12/27
   hopefan      WPI    L 87-78 to Salem St. 11/26   
   PSBBallGuy      York (PA)   L 71-69 to Villa Julie 11/18   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2006, 07:15:19 PM
on the other end of the spectrum, one of our losers plays tonight - Thomas More plays Cincinnati Clermont

Adrian plays Manchester on Saturday  -  that's it for the winless prior to Christmas.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 21, 2006, 07:46:58 PM
If Thomas More loses to Clermont then they REALLY have issues....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2006, 04:46:39 AM
Smedindy - never underestimate how solid those on our loser's list are  :
Cincy-Clermont  88   T. More  66   :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 22, 2006, 08:22:42 AM
whoa, that is bad.

I miss Maine-Presque Isle, especially the two day wait to find out if they lost again or not.  ;)

Thankfully they're looking solid for 0-fer d3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 22, 2006, 09:12:58 AM
WOW! Just...WOW!

Clermont shot 31-52 against Thomas More - against Wabash they were 21-65 and against Marian (NAIA-2) they were 20-66.

D-up, would ya???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 22, 2006, 09:48:28 AM
Quote from: sac on December 22, 2006, 08:22:42 AM
I miss Maine-Presque Isle, especially the two day wait to find out if they lost again or not.

How can you miss them?  They haven't gone anywhere.  And stop your whining, 2 days is pretty impressive for the sled dog team to cover the 400 miles to the nearest phone line to relay the information.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2006, 10:53:01 AM
amusing, I looked at a map to see where Maine Presque Isle is - It's way up there  -  then I noticed that Maine Ft Kent is about 65 miles north of Maine Presqe Isle !!!!- possibly the northern most town in Maine!!!   I'll bet the two schools  have some real recruiting wars for the local talent, cause no one else would go all the way up there to see someone play!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 23, 2006, 11:35:50 AM

Right, but you're failing to recognize that Maine-Ft Kent is entirely populated by black bears.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2006, 05:39:09 PM
yeah, good place to recruit a power forward, but not a ball handling guard. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2006, 08:25:29 PM
Adrian almost blows it, but stays on our list by losing to Manchester by ONE!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 27, 2006, 09:33:21 AM
No one boxes out like Fort Kent. Raaar!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 27, 2006, 10:03:56 AM
Incidently, the big rematch between Maine Ft Kent and Maine Presque Isle takes place Jan 7 -  Ft Kent won the first contest, 77-63  -  forecast that day is for snow, leave home early to catch the opening tipoff.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 27, 2006, 02:11:46 PM
Guys - this is too good  -  was checking out the Massey ratings of our winless and came across the fact that the lowest rated of all colleges is Northern Maine Tech  (Unity College's only win)   No 1497 of 1497-   location of Northern Maine Tech  -  hold on  -  Presque Isle, Maine 

When we're all old and retired, we need to take a road trip and check these schools out !!!!

Maine Presque Isle- rated no 1  -  in the city of Presque Isle

poor north tech even lost to New Brunswick Bible Institue
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 27, 2006, 02:53:06 PM
Hey, those Canadian Christians can play rough!

BTW - The team Lincoln creamed 201-78 - OSU - Marion - is now 3-10 on the season. They can score some points...well...against their own level.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 27, 2006, 03:34:33 PM
wonder how UMPI would do against Lincoln.......  could we shoot for 2 and a quarter?????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2006, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 27, 2006, 02:11:46 PM
Guys - this is too good  -  was checking out the Massey ratings of our winless and came across the fact that the lowest rated of all colleges is Northern Maine Tech  (Unity College's only win)   No 1497 of 1497-   location of Northern Maine Tech  -  hold on  -  Presque Isle, Maine 

When we're all old and retired, we need to take a road trip and check these schools out !!!!

I might be interested but I'm not sure I can get five days off in a row to make the trip from Connecticut. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2006, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2006, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 27, 2006, 02:11:46 PM
Guys - this is too good  -  was checking out the Massey ratings of our winless and came across the fact that the lowest rated of all colleges is Northern Maine Tech  (Unity College's only win)   No 1497 of 1497-   location of Northern Maine Tech  -  hold on  -  Presque Isle, Maine 

When we're all old and retired, we need to take a road trip and check these schools out !!!!

I might be interested but I'm not sure I can get five days off in a row to make the trip from Connecticut. :)

:D :D :D :D :D

I guess that makes Coleman, Texas,  (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=218) a proverbial crossroads of the world compared to Presque Isle, ME!!! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 27, 2006, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 27, 2006, 02:11:46 PM
Guys - this is too good  -  was checking out the Massey ratings of our winless and came across the fact that the lowest rated of all colleges is Northern Maine Tech  (Unity College's only win)   No 1497 of 1497-   location of Northern Maine Tech  -  hold on  -  Presque Isle, Maine 

When we're all old and retired, we need to take a road trip and check these schools out !!!!

Maine Presque Isle- rated no 1  -  in the city of Presque Isle

poor north tech even lost to New Brunswick Bible Institue


The whole town of Presque Isle shuts down when these two matchup.

Although an outsider wouldn't notice any difference. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 28, 2006, 03:14:46 AM
I know a fellow NPU graduate who has a cabin in New Sweden, Maine, an outpost of civilization in the same Maine county (Aroostook) as Presque Isle but even more remote. He says that in New Sweden they refer to Presque Isle (pop. 10,000) as "the city".

My favorite fact about Presque Isle is that there is no island named Presque anywhere in the vicinity of the town. The town's name is a rendering of the French phrase for "almost an island", since there's a large loop in the Aroostook River that forms a peninsula. Thing is, the river-loop peninsula is on the opposite bank of the Aroostook from town.

Those wacky Maine people!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2006, 03:19:38 AM
Mainers?
Mainans?
Mainanites?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 28, 2006, 03:29:46 AM
I couldn't figure it out, either. That's why I went with "Maine people".
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2006, 07:32:46 AM
Greg, Pat  -  back in Jr High, didn't we all read  :  Silas Mainer ....   And then later on ..  The rhyme of the Ancient Maininer?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 28, 2006, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 28, 2006, 07:32:46 AM
Greg, Pat  -  back in Jr High, didn't we all read  :  Silas Mainer .... 

Didn't read the book, but saw the movie. I think he was played by the same guy who played Mainer G. Krebs.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 07:47:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2006, 03:19:38 AM
Mainers?
Mainans?
Mainanites?
Of all of the Mainanite Universities, that must be the most eastern.

Eastern Mainanite University!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 28, 2006, 07:54:55 AM
The pain in Maine stays mainly in the brain.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 08:05:55 AM
What happens in Maine stays in Maine [?].  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 07:47:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2006, 03:19:38 AM
Mainers?
Mainans?
Mainanites?
Of all of the Mainanite Universities, that must be the most eastern.

Eastern Mainanite University!

Some scholars claim that the Mainanites are one of the "Twelve Lost Tribes of Ancient Israel."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 28, 2006, 09:42:07 AM

All of us in New England lovingly refer to them as Mainiacs, which is considerate when you figure that Massachusetts residents are referred to as Massholes and those from Connecticut have a similar name, albeit without the 'M.'
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2006, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 07:47:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2006, 03:19:38 AM
Mainers?
Mainans?
Mainanites?
Of all of the Mainanite Universities, that must be the most eastern.

Eastern Mainanite University!

Some scholars claim that the Mainanites are one of the "Twelve Lost Tribes of Ancient Israel."

Thank you -- someone finally gets it! :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on December 28, 2006, 02:29:58 PM
But not me
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 28, 2006, 02:29:58 PM
But not me

Oh-oh, Coach. Maybe you've recently spent too much time in the Northwest Conference room ....   ;) (Those bozos wouldn't know a Mainanite from a Canaanite or a Mennonite from a hermaphrodite ... er,  Aphrodite.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: bucs77 on December 28, 2006, 08:53:56 PM
c'mon warren I thought we were over that whole argument. let's move on and keep those regional comments to ourselves.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 28, 2006, 10:24:31 PM
I, for one, salivate over the Green River / Presque Isle matchup coming up in February.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 28, 2006, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 28, 2006, 10:24:31 PM
I, for one, salivate over the Green River / Presque Isle matchup coming up in February.

There was a Presque Isle road Swampgoon and I drove on in Marquette, Michigan on the way to the Pointer/Northern Michigan game...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 29, 2006, 12:42:37 AM
There are a couple other Presque Isle's in Michigan..........

Presque Isle County.............located in Northeastern lower peninsula it boasts a population of 13,473.  If its not the smallest Michigan county its pretty darn close.  The county is named after a small village that was located on a small peninsula jutting into Lake Huron that fits the definition of "Presque Isle"......almost an island.

It has 2 light houses named Old and New Presque Isle, a Bay named Presque Isle Bay, and a portion of the "island" is named False Presque Isle and has False Presque Isle Bay.

The county is home to the only natural waterfall in Michigan's lower peninsula Ocqueoc Falls.

http://www.presqueislemi.com/


Presque Isle Park
..............located on a small chunck of land extending into Lake Superior, the park is a nice attraction to Marquette and nearby No. Michigan Univ.  It to is "almost" an island.  Marquette also has a Presque Isle Bay and a little north of town there is a Little Presque Isle Beach, and Little Preque Isle which IS an island.

http://www.mqtcty.org/departments/parksrec/presque.htm


Presque Isle River..........located in the Southern most portion of Porcupine Mountain State Park along the UP's western Superior shoreline,  it meanders through Gogebic County and crests over 9 waterfalls.  The last forms an "almost island" that in times of high water is in fact an island.

www.westernup.com/waterfalls/presquefalls/falls.html
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 29, 2006, 09:26:26 AM
Well, now, the question is which Presque Isle came first? Maine or Michigan?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 29, 2006, 11:18:20 AM
Michigan's Presque Isle was ......
established as a county in 1840
village settled in 1860

Maine's Presque Isle was....
Settled in 1828
incorporated as a town in 1859
a city in 1940


Apparently Presque Isle, Maine is famous for this......I simply must see this someday.

http://www.umpi.maine.edu/info/nmms/solar/

Here's a look at the bustling metropolis of Presque Isle, ME

http://www.crownofmaine.com/
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 29, 2006, 01:39:46 PM
That solar system model is tres cool! Maine, ho!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2006, 07:03:31 PM
Adrian drops off our winless list, crushing Oberlin  -  We are down to 8

Caltech, Concordia Moorhead, Emmanuel, East Naz, Albertus Magnus,  Principia, PSU Berks, and Thomas More.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2006, 07:10:32 PM
Caltech gets WLC tomorrow, and if the Warriors come out flat, look out!  WLC got a big time shellacking from Occidental last night--so if Caltech brings their "A" game, they might very well be the next team off that list.  ::) ::) ::) ::) :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :) ;) :D :) ;) :D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2006, 07:15:39 PM
I hope not WLC alum  -  that would wreck a mattch up that loser lovers have been waiting to see  -  Caltech vs Bard next week!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 31, 2006, 02:04:02 PM

How could I have missed seeing the Bard-Caltech matchup before this?  Is it too late to lobby Pat for a live broadcast?  I've been waiting for this game for years.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 31, 2006, 02:04:02 PM

How could I have missed seeing the Bard-Caltech matchup before this?  Is it too late to lobby Pat for a live broadcast?  I've been waiting for this game for years.

Maybe you could sponsor the weblink for Raptormania to do the webcast!

"HoopsFanSportsProductions. com"  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2006, 04:27:41 PM
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it yet, but Adrian fell off the winless list, soundly trouncing Oberlin.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2006, 04:48:46 PM
Why Mr. Ypsi, how do you suggest that disservice from the finest coverage of losers that exists  -  check my post of yesterday at 7:03 PM  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2006, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 31, 2006, 04:48:46 PM
Why Mr. Ypsi, how do you suggest that disservice from the finest coverage of losers that exists  -  check my post of yesterday at 7:03 PM  ;D ;D

My humblest apologies! :-[

I missed it amongst the discussion of the various forms of Mainiacs and the anticipation of the great Bard - CalTech showdown! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 06:00:59 PM
Good news! The novelty of the CalTech/Bard match-up has been preserved.

Final just in:  WLC 117, Cal Tech 57.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 31, 2006, 06:11:56 PM
It strikes me that 8) is the wrong emoticon to use to when announcing that your team has just defeated CalTech.  Not everyone in the world is 8), even in Pasadena, but pretty much everyone can beat the Beavers.

The appropriate emoticon would be one releasing a deep and long-held breath.   :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 31, 2006, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2006, 07:10:32 PM
Caltech gets WLC tomorrow, and if the Warriors come out flat, look out!  WLC got a big time shellacking from Occidental last night--so if Caltech brings their "A" game, they might very well be the next team off that list.  ::) ::) ::) ::) :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :) ;) :D :) ;) :D


Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 06:00:59 PM
Good news! The novelty of the CalTech/Bard match-up has been preserved.

Final just in:  WLC 117, Cal Tech 57.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8)

I actually laughed when you said that WLC came out flat and got smoked by Oxy, so Caltech might have a chance... ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 08:34:33 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 31, 2006, 06:11:56 PM
It strikes me that 8) is the wrong emoticon to use to when announcing that your team has just defeated CalTech.  Not everyone in the world is 8), even in Pasadena, but pretty much everyone can beat the Beavers.

The appropriate emoticon would be one releasing a deep and long-held breath.   :D

I'll keep that in mind, next time. Didn't even give myself enough "think time", just saw the result and "ran with it" so to speak. (or another option would be  :-X).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 31, 2006, 08:43:24 PM
Funny, I start in on Presque Isle and I lose six karma points.

Now, will Bard stroll and sing its way to a win over CalTech?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2006, 09:05:20 PM
Pat, for all Loser lovers, I think the Calteck - Bard game deserves special mention on the front page   -   would also be a great service to this page if one of "our Kind" were to give us updates on this page of that monumental affair.   

For you trivia buffs, there was a Bard student 3,4, 5 years ago that used to write about Bard hoops constantly in glowing terms  .   Would drive anyone who took him seriously absolutely nuts - but if you appreciated his humor, or madness, he was hilarious  -  he had some real battles with Pat.   wasn't his name Howie???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 31, 2006, 09:39:49 PM
I'm sure you're thinking of Howard Megdal.  I've always assumed he was the comic genius behind Raptormania.com (http://www.raptormania.com/), but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 01, 2007, 11:00:19 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 31, 2006, 02:04:02 PM

How could I have missed seeing the Bard-Caltech matchup before this?  Is it too late to lobby Pat for a live broadcast?  I've been waiting for this game for years.

Maybe you could sponsor the weblink for Raptormania to do the webcast!

"HoopsFanSportsProductions. com"


I don't work with people who are funnier than me...




...I know that leaves my options rather thin.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2007, 03:32:12 PM
As I prepare our first winless and winless vs d3 ratings, I see that we did miss a win by one of our eight winless teams  -  Emmanuel beat Northwood, Florida, 56-54 last Thursday, to drop off our list, but become an addition to our newly formed  "winless vs d3 only" list

We are down to 7 winless, with ratings on likelihood of staying winless through the year

7)  Eastern Nazarene  0-8   Lost 5 of 8 by 7 or less  -  should be able to get wins vs Anna Maria, Newbury, or Wentworth Tech

6) Thomas More  0-12  Played very tough non conference schedule  -  should get wins against weaker nonconference foes Thiel or W&J

5)  Penn St Berks  0-7   The NEAC is really weak - they should get a win against the likes of D'Youville, Polytechnic, or Caz; Also have Gallaudet  coming up on Jan 6 

4)  Concordia Moorhead  0-7  Lost 3 overtime games and 3 others by 7 or less!  Should get wins against weaker conference foes Hamline, St Johns, St Marys, or St Olaf.

3)  Albertus Magnus  0-8  Lost by one at Daniel Webster, get them at home on Jan 13;  also Big matchup with winless vs D3  Emmanual,  Mitchell also affords a chance for win.

2)  Principia  0-6  The Sliac top 8 teams are not that bad-  No 9 Lincoln Christian lost by only 1 to Macmurray, yet appear to be the only team that No 10 Principia should be competitve with -  any other Prin win in the conference would be an upset.  Take out an 8 point loss to St Louis Pharmacy, and Prin is losing by an average of 49 points per game!

1)  Caltech  0-9  Only the "game of the year" with Bard on Jan 6 will prevent Caltech from acheiving a perfect season!!

Next post will review winless vs D3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2007, 04:23:07 PM
And now for the winless vs D3 ratings, again with the No 1 rating going to the team least likely to get a D3 win

There are now 12  teams with a win against non D3 teams, but still winless vs D3
12)  Fontbonne  2-7  Young team with good talent  -  will vie for SLIAC top 4

11)  Whitman  2-6  Huge upset over perenial NAIA power Biola shows wins will come once they get into conference games

10)  LaVerne  1-7  only win is vs usual loser Life Pacific  -  but two games in conference with Caltech make winning a high probability

9)  Lincoln Christian  1-4 Beat Great Lakes Christian   New addition to SLIAC and NCAA already almost upset MacMurray -  they should get a win against winless SLIAC foe Principia

8)  Emmanuel  1-6  Just dropped from winless catagory by beating Northland florida;  games with winless Albertus Magnus, Daniel Webster afford chances to win

7) & 6)  tie   Crown  1-6, Minnesota Morris 1-9  I don't know anything about the schools in the UMAC  -   we'll put both of thes schools in the middle of the pack  -  someone will win when they play each other

5) Huntingdon 1-9  lost at home vs Rhodes by one, get them again on Tuesday;  Sewanee is another opportunity  -  could have a rough time winning in GSAC.   only win vs Atlanta Christian

4) Colorado College 1-13  Not many d3 games left to get off this list  -  big game with the Banana Slugs  at home on Jan 20  -  the slugs beat them by 5 in California.   only win vs yep, Life Pacific

3) Alma  1-9  only win vs Grace Bible - the MIAA is clearly down this year, but whom will Alma beat?  Olivet, Kzoo, Adrian present opportunities

2) Maine Presque Isle 1-8  Big game coming up with No 1 Green Mountain  on Feb 10 -  have beaten only Unity, Me

1)  Green Mountain  1-7  Have beaten only Paul Smith's, by 1 in OT  -  Have lost badly to all others -  The match up with UMPI is second only to the huge Caltech - Bard game in establishing the likely Loser of the Year winner

Note that Bard has not made our lists as they have an upset win over Anna Maria.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 03:26:54 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 31, 2006, 09:39:49 PM
I'm sure you're thinking of Howard Megdal.  I've always assumed he was the comic genius behind Raptormania.com (http://www.raptormania.com/), but I could be wrong.

Howard Megdal. One of my all-time favorite posters. I hated to see him disappear.

There's a poster in the largely-dormant NEAC room who calls himself "Raptormania", but I don't think it's Howie.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2007, 11:21:41 AM

Pat,


Is the Regional Records feature going to still work with the new scheduling system?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2007, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 02, 2007, 01:06:32 PM
Oxy is playing Robert Morris Saturday afternoon. Caltech is only a stone's throw away, so I might pop over and see if the Beavers can get their first win against a D-III opponent since the '94-'95 season.

OxyBob

Robert Morris-Springfield is NAIA
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2007, 01:29:15 PM

I think he meant stopping over to see the game at Caltech while he was nearby watching Oxy play RM-S.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2007, 01:41:04 PM
oh Oxybob, any game info would be much appreciated by those who visit this subject area   -  Thanks!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2007, 03:39:26 PM
I'm putting my list together with or without d3hoops.com's regional records listing up yet.  I might need some help making sure I have the provisional status right on some of these.  Is the UMAC still provisional or are they full members now?

Undefeated ( 9 )
Amherst (9-0)
Averett (9-0)
Bates (8-0)
Guilford (8-0)
NYU (9-0)
Rutgers-Newark (9-0)
St. Lawrence (9-0)
Texas-Dallas (11-0)
Whitworth (10-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 8 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (7-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (8-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (9-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
*Northwestern (MN) (9-1, loss to NAIA Mayville State)
Pacific Lutheran (5-4, losses to d1 Portland State, NAIAs Northwest, Evergreen State and Concordia-Oregon)
Puget Sound (9-1, loss to NAIA Warner Pacific)
Redlands (5-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (10-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 12 )
Alma (1-9, win over NCCAA Grace Bible)
Colorado College (1-13, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-6, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
Emmanuel (1-7, win over NAIA Northwood)
Fontbonne (2-7, wins over NCCAA Moody Bible and ?? Concordia (MO))
*Green Mountain (1-7, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-9, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-9, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-4, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Maine-Presque Isle (1-8, win over USCAA Unity)
*Minnesota-Morris (1-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston)
Whitman (2-6, wins over NAIA Biola and ACCA West Coast Baptist)


Winless ( 7 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Caltech (0-9)
Concordia-Morehead (0-8)
Eastern Nazarene (0-8)
Penn State-Berks (0-7)
Principia (0-6)
Thomas More (0-12)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2007, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 02, 2007, 01:29:15 PM

I think he meant stopping over to see the game at Caltech while he was nearby watching Oxy play RM-S.

I read that wrong...my bad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2007, 06:57:23 PM
looks like we agree on the winless and winless vs d3, hoops fan..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 02, 2007, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 02, 2007, 01:06:32 PM
Oxy is playing Robert Morris Saturday afternoon. Caltech is only a stone's throw away, so I might pop over and see if the Beavers can get their first win against a D-III opponent since the '94-'95 season.

OxyBob

Robert Morris-Springfield is NAIA

No, they're not. RMC-Chicago is NAIA-1. RMC-Springfield is USCAA.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 02, 2007, 08:20:49 PM
I think we need to arrange an annual matchup between Principia and Cal Tech!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2007, 08:21:29 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 02, 2007, 08:20:49 PM
I think we need to arrange an annual matchup between Principia and Cal Tech!
Best 2 out of 3, as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 02, 2007, 08:34:00 PM
Averett (9-0) and Guilford (8-0) are locked up in a thriller in Virginia.  Averett has trailed all of the second half, but hit a big three to take a 65-63 lead with 3:20 left.  Now it's tied at 65 with 2:40 left.

Update:  Guilford can't buy a free throw, keeping Averett alive.  GC leads 70-69 with about 0:14 left and yet another Quaker at the line.  Finally, a made FT...then another.  GC leads 72-69 with 0:13.8 left, AU ball.  Averett misses a three and Guilford is going to survive on the road. 

Final score: Guilford (9-0) 74, Averett (9-1) 69
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2007, 09:19:54 PM
Equally important on the other end of the spectrum, Huntingdon loses to Rhodes 59-50, a game that could help them climb in the WAD3 poll (Winless against d3).  This was one of their best shots at a win vs D3 - they didn't disappoint us....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2007, 11:56:14 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:53:18 PM
No, they're not. RMC-Chicago is NAIA-1. RMC-Springfield is USCAA.

The point was, their not D3, and besides, I misread the post anyway! BLAH! lol  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2007, 06:57:57 AM
Just a P. S. note on the CalTech tourney: 

The same Brian Hagel who took the 0-fer from 3-pt range against Oxy, went 6-6 from 3-pt range vs. CalTech, reached the 1,000 pt plateau during the same game, and (per NathCon site) earned the last Player of the Week award for 2006 for that conference. He's a Communication major at WLC.  :) ;) :) ;)

(BTW, is Bard the same Bard that the 2 guys who formed Steely Dan once attended?  If so, this poster's always loved their 1980 hit "Time Out of Mind", among others). 4 lines in the refrain of that song would fit for any team that's "hitting on all cylinders" so to speak. (Any other big time "Dan fans" will know what I'm posting about.)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2007, 07:31:07 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2007, 06:57:57 AM
Just a P. S. note on the CalTech tourney: 

The same Brian Hagel who took the 0-fer from 3-pt range against Oxy, went 6-6 from 3-pt range vs. CalTech, reached the 1,000 pt plateau during the same game, and (per NathCon site) earned the last Player of the Week award for 2006 for that conference. He's a Communication major at WLC.  :) ;) :) ;)

(BTW, is Bard the same Bard that the 2 guys who formed Steely Dan once attended?  If so, this poster's always loved their 1980 hit "Time Out of Mind", among others). 4 lines in the refrain of that song would fit for any team that's "hitting on all cylinders" so to speak. (Any other big time "Dan fans" will know what I'm posting about.)



Yes, it's the same Bard that Steely Dan's Walter Becker and Donald Fagen attended in the '60s. In fact, fellow Bard student and future SNL funnyman Chevy Chase played drums in one of their pre-Dan bands at Bard, the unfortunately-named Leather Canary.

The Steely Dan song "My Old School" is about a police raid at Bard on Halloween night in 1967 that ended up with Becker, Fagen, and about fifty other Bard students getting busted for marijuana possession. I guess it sort of soured them on the school: "California tumbles into the sea / That'll be the day I go back to Annandale ... Well, I'm never going back to my old school." Bard College is located in Annandale-on-the-Hudson, NY.

(Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" supposedly refers to that same '67 Bard drug bust, but, given the typical overreach of Dylanologists who attempt to decrypt Zimmy's lyrics, I'm skeptical.)

According to a recent Entertainment Weekly article (no, I don't read that magazine -- I got this from Wikipedia, which is almost as bad  ;)), "Rikki, Don't Lose That Number" is about Rikki Ducomet, a Bard professor's wife upon whom Fagen had a crush when he was a student there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2007, 08:17:39 AM
Greg or other "veterans"- my mind can't remember too well, but if you have the time and memory, please reminice about the exploits of Howard Megdal for our newer fans as we progress towards the big game  -  kind of a super bowl pregame special.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2007, 09:23:20 AM
It was Howard Megdal's coverage of Bard as they competed in the Hudson Valley Men's Athletic Conference (http://www.mountsaintvincent.edu/1692.htm)* that first gave me notice of this creative genius.

Bard was being invited to compete in the newly-reconstitued North Eastern Athletic Conference.  Hilbert and Medaille has been invited to the Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference, leaving behind Cazenovia, D'Youville and Keuka.  Those 3 schools looked across the D3 landscape and virtually invited every remaining independent and provisional D3 school that they could find from Maryland northward.  Bard was one of the selections.  From those 12 invitees, the NEAC was able to earn a Pool A bid in the 2006-07 season.

I did not fully appreciate Howard's reporting style.  His coverage of the HVMAC was unique to these boards.  Howard doesn't post on these boards like he did 3-4 years ago.  The Raptormania (http://www.raptormania.com) site is a classic.

*Interestingly, the Culinary Institute of America won the Fall 2006 Men's Soccer Championship (http://www.mountsaintvincent.edu/1695.htm) of the HVMAC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 03, 2007, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2007, 09:23:20 AM
The Raptormania (http://www.raptormania.com) site is a classic.

Indeed it is. Sort of the D3 athletics equivalent of Mother JonesThe Onion, and The UFO Report.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2007, 09:53:10 AM
Some important developments last night have changed the list considerably.  Puget Sound and Pacific Lutheran play tonight, so one of them will no longer be undefeated vs d3.  There's a good number of these teams in action this evening, so this list may change again tomorrow.


Undefeated ( 8 )
Amherst (9-0)
Bates (8-0)
Guilford (9-0)
NYU (10-0)
Rutgers-Newark (9-0)
St. Lawrence (9-0)
Texas-Dallas (11-0)
Whitworth (11-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 7 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (7-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (8-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (9-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Pacific Lutheran (5-4, losses to d1 Portland State, NAIAs Northwest, Evergreen State and Concordia-Oregon)
Puget Sound (9-1, loss to NAIA Warner Pacific)
Redlands (5-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (10-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 11 )
Alma (1-9, win over NCCAA Grace Bible)
Colorado College (1-13, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-6, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
Emmanuel (1-7, win over NAIA Northwood)
Fontbonne (2-7, wins over NCCAA Moody Bible and ?? Concordia (MO))
*Green Mountain (1-7, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-9, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-9, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-4, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Maine-Presque Isle (1-8, win over USCAA Unity)
*Minnesota-Morris (1-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston)


Winless ( 7 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Caltech (0-9)
Concordia-Morehead (0-8)
Eastern Nazarene (0-8)
*Penn State-Berks (0-7)
Principia (0-6)
Thomas More (0-12)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2007, 10:24:27 AM
Whitman, justifies its horrible No 11 of 12 rating in the WAD3 ratings by sliding by La Sierra, 62-59 ,  falling off our list of winless against D3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2007, 10:25:44 AM

We lost Whitman, Averett and Northwestern (MN) last night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2007, 11:19:01 AM
I'll just be concentrating on our loveable losers, Hoopsfan   :) :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 03, 2007, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 03:26:54 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 31, 2006, 09:39:49 PM
I'm sure you're thinking of Howard Megdal.  I've always assumed he was the comic genius behind Raptormania.com (http://www.raptormania.com/), but I could be wrong.

Howard Megdal. One of my all-time favorite posters. I hated to see him disappear.

There's a poster in the largely-dormant NEAC room who calls himself "Raptormania", but I don't think it's Howie.
Howard is one seriously funny dude... the Onion is a great comparison to his stuff! I had the privilege of getting to know him as I was working on my site. I got the impression that he still reads this site, but doesn't post much any more. He still definitely follows Bard though! I will have to direct him to this room. I'm sure he'll appreciate the comments.

In addition to offering helpful advice, Howard suggested that we have a running joke of making fun of each other's schools for being afraid to play eachother, which is obviously more ironic for Wheaton, than Bard. In that vein, I wrote an "article" for my definitely-still-in-development webpage on wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/randomstuff (http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/randomstuff). Howard responded with a vastly funner article found on the www.raptormania.com home page. If Cal Tech beats Bard, I will obviously have some pretty darn good fodder for getting back at him for thoroughly schooling me. I knew I was a surrogate fan of Cal Tech for a reason... :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2007, 03:18:24 PM

Whoa?  What just happened here?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 03, 2007, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 03, 2007, 03:18:24 PM

Whoa?  What just happened here?

What just happened where? Did I miss something? ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 03, 2007, 03:22:14 PM
A rare but appreciated visit by Posting Up's most celebrated phantom.   :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2007, 03:22:40 PM
a siting  -   I'm VERY flattered
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2007, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 03, 2007, 03:22:40 PM
a siting  -   I'm VERY flattered


Did you mean sighting?  You should get Firefox 2.0, I just downloaded it yesterday.  It checks your spelling for you with the (surely not ripped off from microsoft) little red line any time you type anything in the window.  Very handy.  I'm sure my spelling on this site will vastly improve.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2007, 03:30:12 PM
if it's a sighting on this site, then it's a siting  :D :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 03, 2007, 03:31:58 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 03, 2007, 03:22:14 PM
A rare but appreciated visit by Posting Up's most celebrated phantom.   :D

Ah, the Phantom [Diehard]Fan, currently "sited" in California.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 03, 2007, 03:34:24 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 03, 2007, 12:52:38 AM
Yes, and Caltech is 8 miles from Occidental. (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&ct=NA&rsres=1&1ffi=&1l=&1g=&1pl=&1v=&1n=&2ffi=&2l=&2g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&1pn=&1a=1600+campus+road&1c=los+angeles&1s=ca&1z=90041&2pn=&2a=1200+east+california+blvd&2c=pasadena&2s=ca&2z=91125&r=f) Hehehehehehehehe

OxyBob

I failed Geography.  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2007, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 03, 2007, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 03, 2007, 03:18:24 PM

Whoa?  What just happened here?

What just happened where? Did I miss something someone? ???

Corrected that for you, WT. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 03, 2007, 06:10:01 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2007, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 03, 2007, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 03, 2007, 03:18:24 PM

Whoa?  What just happened here?

What just happened where? Did I miss something someone? ???


Corrected that for you, WT. ;)

Many thanks, Greg. We geezers often are confused by the intricacies and nuances of the the King's English. Of course, a geezer's wife, especially if she's a graduate of St. Officious, er, um, rather, that is, St. Olaf* ... would never have this problem (not that she'd admit it if she did).  ;)

----------------------------------------------------------

* Ann's an Ole, I went to Trinity (Texas). It's a running family joke. She's from South Dakota, I'm a native Texan ... it often makes for some interesting canversation, don't you know?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2007, 06:23:24 PM
I was going to mention that I applied to St. Olaf when I was a senior in high school, based mostly upon the fact that the brochure I got from the school seemed to indicate that the campus was loaded with pretty girls, but I learned my lesson in the "D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA" room. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 03, 2007, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2007, 06:23:24 PM
I was going to mention that I applied to St. Olaf when I was a senior in high school, based mostly upon the fact that the brochure I got from the school seemed to indicate that the campus was loaded with pretty girls, but I learned my lesson in the "D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA" room. ;)

What, you turned down St. Olaf? Mercy! Those Norwegian blondes can't be beat, even those who [shudder! gag!] actually like lutefisk and sild ....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2007, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 03, 2007, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2007, 06:23:24 PM
I was going to mention that I applied to St. Olaf when I was a senior in high school, based mostly upon the fact that the brochure I got from the school seemed to indicate that the campus was loaded with pretty girls, but I learned my lesson in the "D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA" room. ;)

What, you turned down St. Olaf? Mercy! Those Norwegian blondes can't be beat, even those who [shudder! gag!] actually like lutefisk ....

Norwegian, Swedish ... six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I dated a Norwegian blonde (a real one, not a Norwegian-American one) at North Park. She told me that she'd never met anyone who liked lutefisk ... not even old people. Then again, she wasn't a big fan of Norwegian food in general. The Windy City really rubbed off on her; she wanted to open up a Chicago-style pizza joint in her hometown someday. Unfortunately, since the large island south of Bergen that she calls home has fewer than 20,000 inhabitants, it probably wouldn't be a wise investment of her resources.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2007, 08:59:09 AM
our winless vs d3 list falls by one as LaSierra eliminates our second member in 2 nights!!!  LaSierra gave Whitman their first D3 win 2 nights ago, and did the same for Laverne last night  -  LaSierra had beaten LaVerne in December.

Alma and Pennst Burks retain their positions in our polls with "easy" losses
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2007, 09:33:18 AM
We lost Rutgers-Newark last night as they suffered their first loss to Manhattanville by five points.  Pacific Lutheran lost to Puget Sound, knocking the Lutes off the list as well. 


Undefeated ( 7 )
Amherst (9-0)
Bates (8-0)
Guilford (9-0)
NYU (10-0)
St. Lawrence (9-0)
Texas-Dallas (11-0)
Whitworth (11-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 6 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (7-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (9-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (9-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Puget Sound (10-1, loss to NAIA Warner Pacific)
Redlands (6-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (11-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 11 )
Alma (1-10, win over NCCAA Grace Bible)
Colorado College (1-14, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-6, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
Emmanuel (1-7, win over NAIA Northwood)
Fontbonne (2-7, wins over NCCAA Moody Bible and ?? Concordia (MO))
*Green Mountain (1-7, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-10, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-9, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-4, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Maine-Presque Isle (1-8, win over USCAA Unity)
*Minnesota-Morris (1-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston)


Winless ( 7 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Caltech (0-9)
Concordia-Morehead (0-9)
Eastern Nazarene (0-8)
*Penn State-Berks (0-8)
Principia (0-6)
Thomas More (0-12)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: TeeDub on January 04, 2007, 02:00:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 04, 2007, 09:33:18 AM
And as mentioned, La Verne beat La Sierra to drop off the list.

Looking at the LaVerne website, it appears that the score posted here on D3hoops is actually the WOMEN'S score not the MEN'S.  The men, again according to the website, play La Sierra tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2007, 02:27:48 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 04, 2007, 02:00:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 04, 2007, 09:33:18 AM
And as mentioned, La Verne beat La Sierra to drop off the list.

Looking at the LaVerne website, it appears that the score posted here on D3hoops is actually the WOMEN'S score not the MEN'S.  The men, again according to the website, play La Sierra tonight.

So be it.  The list has been amended.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 04, 2007, 03:28:39 PM
It's been awhile since I updated this.

By my count



   Poster      Team      Elimination   
   Sac      Amherst (9-0)   Nxt Gm:  vs. Babson Th 1/4
   FlyingDutchFan      Calvin    L 76-54 to Hope 11/25
   hope1      Hope   L 71-65 to Carthage F 12/1
   Mr. Ypsi      Ill. Wes.   L 87-74 to Ohio Wes 11/24
   oldreporter      King's Point   L 107-85 to Kean 11/21
   larry u      Lawrence   L 70-67 to Stevens Point 11/21   
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)   L 93-82 to Emory 11/26      
   Hoops Fan      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   MC Boy      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Cardinal Alum   North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Gregory Sager      NYU (10-0)Nxt Gm:  at Carnegie Mellon Fri 1/5
   digs      Occidental   L 72-63 to St. Thomas 11/17   
   unbearable      Rhode Island   L 82-78 to Keene St. S 12/2
   Hoopsnews      Salem St.   L 85-73 to Roger Williams 11/18   
   Titan Q      Virginia Wes.L 81-73 to Averett 11/27
   WLCalum83      Whitewater   L 69-68 OT to Ill. Wes. 11/18   
   Old School      Whitworth (11-0)   Nxt Gm:  at Linfield Fri 1/5
   Smedindy      Wittenberg   L 68-65 to Wooster Sat. 12/9
   Point Special      Wooster    L 94-89 to Cal. Baptist 12/27
   wooscotsfan      Wooster     L 94-89 to Cal. Baptist 12/27
   hopefan      WPI    L 87-78 to Salem St. 11/26   
   PSBBallGuy      York (PA)   L 71-69 to Villa Julie 11/18   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 04, 2007, 03:48:39 PM
My $$$ is on Amherst and Sac taking the prize.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2007, 04:09:27 PM
Jordis   -  thanks   -  if I can't trust D3hoops scoreboards, who can I Trust?????     ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2007, 04:25:11 PM
I think it's going to be Whitworth.  They were my second choice out of the gate.


I'd just like to point out that although my choice is long gone, they have yet to lose to a d3 opponent, so I (along with Ralph and MC Boy) am claiming a small moral victory.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2007, 08:24:32 AM
Penn St Burks and Caltech both get crushed to maintain their rankings on the winless list.   Laverne loses to LaSierra in the real game, and stays on the WAD3 list.
Limited loser activity tonite, with only No 5 ranked Wad3 Huntingdon scheduled, but many of our teams play tomorrow   -   with the Big game of the year happening with Bard @ Caltech  -  hopefully we'll get on site live updates right here from OxyBob and an interview with the loser!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2007, 09:38:32 AM
Hopefan gave you the loser rundown.  Here's where we stand currently.  TX-Dallas went down to Hardin-Simmons last night, bringing our undefeateds down to a half dozen.


Undefeated ( 6 )
Amherst (10-0)
Bates (8-0)
Guilford (9-0)
NYU (10-0)
St. Lawrence (9-0)
Whitworth (11-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 6 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (7-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (9-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (10-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Puget Sound (10-1, loss to NAIA Warner Pacific)
Redlands (6-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (11-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 11 )
Alma (1-10, win over NCCAA Grace Bible)
Colorado College (1-14, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-6, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
Emmanuel (1-7, win over NAIA Northwood)
Fontbonne (2-7, wins over NCCAA Moody Bible and ?? Concordia (MO))
*Green Mountain (1-7, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-10, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-10, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-4, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Maine-Presque Isle (1-8, win over USCAA Unity)
*Minnesota-Morris (1-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston)


Winless ( 7 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Caltech (0-10)
Concordia-Morehead (0-9)
Eastern Nazarene (0-8)
*Penn State-Berks (0-9)
Principia (0-6)
Thomas More (0-12)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 05, 2007, 04:24:24 PM
nice work Hoops Fan!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 05, 2007, 10:19:59 PM
From the Top 25 board.

Quote from: gordonmann on January 05, 2007, 10:12:48 PM
No. 23 NYU has a reputation for starting the season strong against relatively weak opponents and then fading in UAA play.  The Violets didn't get off to a good start tonight, losing to Carnegie Mellon 68-64 in Pittsburgh.  NYU trailed 40-30 at the break.

Down to two.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2007, 09:52:38 AM
Huntingdon maintains its spot on the WAD3 list with a 9 point loss to Dallas;  Minnesota Morris wins against non NCAAD3 North Central Minn, so stays on the list.

Today is the BIG GAME    7:30 Pacific, 9:30 Central, and late night for you easterners  :   BARD @ CALTECH   -   Oxybob or any other West Coast people, any info will be devoured by loser lovers all over the country!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2007, 11:11:21 AM
My "last Hall of Famer standing" pin arrived today by FedEx.

looks nice. ;) ;D


Down to Whitworth and Amherst, Old School and Sac.

Amherst has their rivalry game at Williams today, after a midweek game at Wesleyan its back to back tough road games vs 7-3 Tufts and 9-0 Bates next weekend.

Whitworth has a game today with George Fox 6-5 and host 10-1 Puget Sound next Saturday.

man tough week for the Lord Jeffs, I'll be thrilled if we make it to next Saturday still tied.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 06, 2007, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2007, 09:52:38 AM
Today is the BIG GAME    7:30 Pacific, 9:30 Central, and late night for you easterners  :   BARD @ CALTECH   -   Oxybob or any other West Coast people, any info will be devoured by loser lovers all over the country!!!!!

With extra Gatorade on hand at game site for a prospective soaking, no doubt (especially if Cal Tech garners the win).  (ba dumm bumm). :) ;) :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hasanova on January 06, 2007, 03:48:12 PM
Guilford Quakers move to 10-0 with an 80-73 road win over Randolph-Macon.  Virginia Wesleyan tomorrow to end the road trip.  Center Ben Strong with 40 and the Quakers needed all of them as Guilford trailed 73-64 and then scored the last 16 points of the game.  Whew!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 07, 2007, 01:35:44 AM
With today's carnage in the top 25, maybe the Beavers get some votes next week!  Woo-hoo, go Beavers!  I wish I could have been there.... :'( :) 8) ;D :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 07, 2007, 11:55:24 AM
Oh, the Massey ratings of the weaklings out in the East will take a HUGE hit now!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2007, 12:19:02 PM
SERIOUSLY  -  heartiest Congrats to Caltech  for the win  -  we have fun on these pages with the winless, but I'm sure we all were rooting for this win!!!!

And Oxybob  -  thanks to you and PAT (front Page!!!) for the coverage.

I'd imagine that this puts my "local", Principia, as the new number 1  -  rankings will be out later today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 07, 2007, 01:19:04 PM
hopefan:

>>heartiest Congrats to Caltech  for the win  -  we have fun on these pages with the winless, but I'm sure we all were rooting for this win!!!!<<

Here's a nice game write-up, courtesy of CSTV:

Caltech Basketball Ends 11-Year NCAA Losing Streak (http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stories/010707abe.html)

OxyBob
+1 Oxybob, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2007, 03:17:05 PM
I'd imagine right now Eastern Nazarene, still on our winless list, is just licking their chops, chompin' at the bit etc etc

Their next opponent, Tuesday night  ......   drum roll for effect......  Anna Maria, who lost to BARD
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hasanova on January 07, 2007, 03:45:34 PM
The Guilford Quakers fall for the first time this year, 75-55, on the road at Virginia Wesleyan.  Quakers now 10-1, 4-1 and VWC improves to 11-2, 6-0. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2007, 06:20:43 PM
In our winless catagory, of course the big news is Caltech's big win over Bard  -  in our elite group, it's one and done, so Caltech drops from being the No 1 losing team to off the losing radar.

But, of equal interest, another team drops out of the winless group  -  Concordia Moorhead, who had been rated no 5 of 7, beats Hamline decisively, and falls out of the ratings.

New ratings
5) Eastern Nazarene 0-9  lost to a pretty decent Conn college team by only 11, should fall off our list by beating Anna Maria on Tuesday

4) Thoma More  0-13  lost by 10 to Westminster on Saturday   May lose again in midweek to Bethany, but has a real shot at first win next Saturday vs Thiel

3) Albertus Magnus  0-8  Hasn't played in a month, has Emerson then a beatable Danny Webster on Saturday

2) Penn St Berks  0-10  lost by 10 to Gallaudet,  has Chestnut Hill in Midweek, then a beatable Dyouville on Saturday

1)  and the new no 1   Principia 0-7   Has a rough week ahead with MacMurray and Fontbonne, then a young Maryville team on Saturday. 

Note  :   Per the above, we may have only Principia standing at the end of the week   -  each of theother 4 teams has excellent chance at victory this week.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 08:07:13 PM
People were using a service last year that ran chains of wins to show that lowly X was actually better than national champ Y, but I can't find the source.  Now that CatTech has a win and UCLA has a loss, does such a chain exist? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 08:30:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 08:07:13 PM
People were using a service last year that ran chains of wins to show that lowly X was actually better than national champ Y, but I can't find the source.  Now that CatTech has a win and UCLA has a loss, does such a chain exist? ;D

We need Bard to win!  :P  Hurry, Raptors!  WIN!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 09:10:38 PM
Bard HAS a win (over Anna Maria), and AM has beaten a couple of schools.  I played with it a bit, but couldn't ever find a chain that progresses up to even half-way decent schools. :(

There MUST exist some chain (however convoluted) that 'proves' that CalTech is the best team in SoCal!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 09:10:38 PM
Bard HAS a win (over Anna Maria), and AM has beaten a couple of schools.  I played with it a bit, but couldn't ever find a chain that progresses up to even half-way decent schools. :(

There MUST exist some chain (however convoluted) that 'proves' that CalTech is the best team in SoCal!
My bad!  I see what you mean.  I found a thread thru St Joseph's VT that gets to Skidmore and the Liberty League.  Maybe that becomes the link.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
Ralph,  probably the key is to find a link to one of the teams that beat UT-Dallas after they beat d1 UT-Arlington - UTA had 4 wins at the time (though I don't know if they were all d1 wins), so there must be some path up the food chain! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 09:36:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
Ralph,  probably the key is to find a link to one of the teams that beat UT-Dallas after they beat d1 UT-Arlington - UTA had 4 wins at the time (though I don't know if they were all d1 wins), so there must be some path up the food chain! ;)
UT-Arlington has a win over North Texas, UC-Riverside (one of last year's casualties), Central Arkansas and UT-Pan American.  You might have something there. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 10:37:48 PM
Ralph, I tried working down from Hardin-Simmons and your McMurry, but couldn't reach any promising leads towards the NE (you guys need to host some 'snowbird tourneys!).

I tried again from Anna Maria, but I deadended with a closed circle of about nine teams who had beaten no one but each other.  This chain may have to await someone upsetting somebody else later in the season.

[St. Joseph DID beat Skidmore.  Alas, Skidmore has beaten no one but Lyndon St., which has beaten no one but Hesser, which appears to be a multi-campus for-profit school with NO athletics website!] 

For now, at least, I stand defeated. :-[ :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 10:41:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 10:37:48 PM
Ralph, I tried working down from Hardin-Simmons and your McMurry, but couldn't reach any promising leads towards the NE (you guys need to host some 'snowbird tourneys!).

I tried again from Anna Maria, but I deadended with a closed circle of about nine teams who had beaten no one but each other.  This chain may have to await someone upsetting somebody else later in the season.

[St. Joseph DID beat Skidmore.  Alas, Skidmore has beaten no one but Lyndon St., which has beaten no one but Hesser, which appears to be a multi-campus for-profit school with NO athletics website!] 

For now, at least, I stand defeated. :-[ :(
McMurry did defeat Immaculata and lose to Rowan!  Maybe thru the PennAC or the NJAC?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 10:52:05 PM
Via E. Texas Baptist over Sul Ross, etc., I did make it up to the SLIAC, CCIW, and NathCon, but the problem seems to be at the bottom.  I just couldn't find any way to break out of the Bard, Anna Maria, Newbury, Lyndon St., Mass Col, Johnson St., etc., 'beat each other, but can't beat anyone else' problem.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
We need to Liberty League to cooperate!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2007, 01:11:11 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 10:52:05 PM
Via E. Texas Baptist over Sul Ross, etc., I did make it up to the SLIAC, CCIW, and NathCon, but the problem seems to be at the bottom.  I just couldn't find any way to break out of the Bard, Anna Maria, Newbury, Lyndon St., Mass Col, Johnson St., etc., 'beat each other, but can't beat anyone else' problem.

I found a chain to a top 5 team in DIII (ONU) but im sick of doing this after half an hour so I will just post what I have and maybe someone else can get to UCLA:

CalTech -> Bard -> Anna Maria -> Newbury -> Mass. College -> Johnson State -> Green Mountain -> Paul Smith -> Suny Canton -> Niagara CCC -> Cayuga -> Suny Cobleskill -> Hudson Valley CC -> Erie CC ->> Prince George's CC -> Baltimore City CC -> Potomac State College -> WVU Tech -> Myers -> Heidelberg -> Penn State Altoona -> Lincoln -> Bluffton -> CMU - Capital -> ONU
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2007, 01:26:42 AM
Good job!  I didn't even think to check Green Mountain 'cause they've been a staple on the 'winless' board ever since it started!

Someone among those last few should be able to take us to a win over Hardin-Simmons or McMurry, which puts us over UT-Dallas, which puts us over d1 UT-Arlington.  I'll pursue it tomorrow if no one beats me to it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2007, 01:39:56 AM
Got it to UT-Arlington!  Thanks Hugenerd!

:D :D :D :D :D (Takes one to know one!!!  :D ;D :D ;D ;) :) 8) )


QuoteCalTech -> Bard -> Anna Maria -> Newbury -> Mass. College -> Johnson State -> Green Mountain -> Paul Smith -> Suny Canton -> Niagara CCC -> Cayuga -> Suny Cobleskill -> Hudson Valley CC -> Erie CC ->> Prince George's CC -> Baltimore City CC -> Potomac State College -> WVU Tech -> Myers -> Heidelberg ->
-> Otterbein -> Maryville TN -> Emory -> Sewanee -> DePauw -> UDallas -> Southwestern -> Hardin-Simmons -> UTDallas -> UT-Arlington!

Corrections appreciated!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2007, 04:51:02 AM
The most impressive thing about that chain isn't the fact that it culminates with Caltech. It's that it includes nine two-year colleges filling the links between Paul Smith's and WVU Tech.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2007, 08:29:15 AM
Hate to interrupt "the chain gang", but I must post the latest WAD3 (winless against D3) list  -  the winless list was posted earlier

Our list had stood at 11, and with Saturday results, two came off, including one of our old favorites.

Yes, Maine Prsque Isle scores a stunning upset - over Maine Maritime - to drop off the list.  They had carrised a no 2 WAD3 rating in - beating Maritime was really impressive, as they had lost to the mariners in December by 21.   Maybe a couple of Maine Tech transfers bolstered their attack!!!!  Also dropping off was no 11 Whitman, who snuck by Linfield 90-88.

So we have 9 wad3 teams left  -  the new ratings:

9) Laverne  1-10  We had them off the list for a day when a wrong score was reported, but they gained new longevity by actually losing to La Sierra.  Caltech doesn't come till Jan 24

8) Lincoln Christian  1-5  Almost scored a big upset in the SLIAC over Webster, losing by 2.   Principia comes up on Jan 18 in a huge game for both.

7) Emmanuel   1-7   Winnable game vs Dan Webster tomorrow night

6) Crown 1-7  Crushed by Bethany Lutheran on Saturday

5) Minnesota Morris  2-9  Got another non NCAA win vs North Central Minn on Friday, could be competitive vs Martin Luther on Saturday

4) Huntingdon  1-11  Next good shot at win is two weeks out vs Sewanee

3) Colorado College  1-13 Seems like only real shot for a D3 win is against Santa Cruz on Jan 20

2)  Alma  1-11  Alma is a clear step below  the other MIAA teams, but they play Kalamazoo and Albion this week, both of whom are down badly this year too.

1)  Green Mountain 1-8  Lost to Centenary by 11  -  a number of weak schools on schedule, but Green Mountain likely weaker.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 09:36:12 AM

Big weekend.  UMPI beat Maine Maritime, NYU goes down to Mellon, St Lawrence lost to Brockport, Guilford dropped one to VA Wesleyan, Fontbonne beat Blackburn, UPS lost to Pacific, Concordia-Morehead beat Hamline, and of course, Caltech beat Bard.
Here's where we stand now:


Undefeated ( 3 )
Amherst (11-0)
Bates (10-0)
Whitworth (13-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 5 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (8-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (10-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (11-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Redlands (7-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (12-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 9 )
Alma (1-11, win over NCCAA Grace Bible)
Colorado College (1-14, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-7, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
Emmanuel (1-7, win over NAIA Northwood)
*Green Mountain (1-8, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-12, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-10, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-5, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 5 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Eastern Nazarene (0-9)
*Penn State-Berks (0-10)
Principia (0-7)
Thomas More (0-13)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 09:59:08 AM

Speaking of Anna Maria.  Check out their stats in this box score (http://ecgulls.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2006-2007/ecvsannamaria01-06-07atpaxtonma.html) from the weekend.  It's the craziest thing you've ever seen.  All five of their starts had 2 points each.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2007, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2007, 01:39:56 AM
Got it to UT-Arlington!  Thanks Hugenerd!

:D :D :D :D :D (Takes one to know one!!!  :D ;D :D ;D ;) :) 8) )


QuoteCalTech -> Bard -> Anna Maria -> Newbury -> Mass. College -> Johnson State -> Green Mountain -> Paul Smith -> Suny Canton -> Niagara CCC -> Cayuga -> Suny Cobleskill -> Hudson Valley CC -> Erie CC ->> Prince George's CC -> Baltimore City CC -> Potomac State College -> WVU Tech -> Myers -> Heidelberg ->
-> Otterbein -> Maryville TN -> Emory -> Sewanee -> DePauw -> UDallas -> Southwestern -> Hardin-Simmons -> UTDallas -> UT-Arlington!

Corrections appreciated!

Here is the chain from UT-Arlington to UCLA (surprisingly not that long)

UT-Arlington -> North Texas -> Rice -> Colorado St. -> Kansas St. -> USC -> Oregan -> UCLA

Alternatively you can get to Duke (or probably any other team in DI with a loss) with this chain:

UT-Arlington -> North Texas -> Rice -> Colorado St. -> ND State -> Marquette -> Duke
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2007, 10:08:04 AM
Final Chain getting from Caltech to UCLA:


CalTech -> Bard -> Anna Maria -> Newbury -> Mass. College -> Johnson State -> Green Mountain -> Paul Smith -> Suny Canton -> Niagara CCC -> Cayuga -> Suny Cobleskill -> Hudson Valley CC -> Erie CC -> Prince George's CC -> Baltimore City CC -> Potomac State College -> WVU Tech -> Myers -> Heidelberg -> Otterbein -> Maryville TN -> Emory -> Sewanee -> DePauw -> UDallas -> Southwestern -> Hardin-Simmons -> UTDallas -> UT-Arlington -> North Texas -> Rice -> Colorado St. -> Kansas St. -> USC -> Oregan -> UCLA

So that proves that with 36 games of separation, CalTech is better than UCLA!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 08, 2007, 01:13:44 PM
Thanks but I'll stick with knowing the Cal Tech kids are smarter. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 08, 2007, 01:31:58 PM
It looks like Myers' surprise win over the 'Berg sets the whole thing up.

But I checked, and while Potomac State lists a win over WV Tech - the offical WV Tech site shows no such thing, neither is it listed on Massey.

Could that be a win over the WV Tech JV??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2007, 01:36:01 PM
Sac  -  if you're still around   -    what about Alma  -  are they worse than ever   -  can they get a win in the league?  Will they get off our winless vs D3 list?

Also curious what you can tell me about Steve Hettinga - he coached at Olivet and then a GR semipro team  -  he's now down at MacMurray down here in the SLIAC and they've gotten off to a very good start after being pretty weak the last several years   -  was he successful at Olivet?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 08, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen,

        I really appreciate the kind words about my postings and my site.  Sadly, I don't get to attend as many games as I did while on campus (I now live about an hour away), but the move from the NEAC to the Skyline will help tremendously with that.
Interestingly, the Raptors are a respectable 1-1 at home so far (all but two of their first 11 games games were on the road).
It's a frustrating season- the Raptors had a couple of recruits that would've stepped right in up front, and they both were undisciplined and left the team totally overmatched inside.
I think it is a testament to the quality of the Raptors that merely beating them gets Cal Tech mentioned on ESPN, NBC Sports, and the LA Times.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 01:46:13 PM
Bard might be the worst team in America.  I've been saying that for years now.  They did get a win over Anna Maria, but that was only because Anna Maria looked past the game, having already beat Bard pretty easily at the beginning of the year.

I think ENC will get a few wins before it's all done.  They have Anna Maria twice and Daniel Webster, which is just atrocious.

Caltech has looked better the last few years and now they have validation that the worst team in d3 does not reside in southern California, but in the Northeast.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 08, 2007, 01:52:30 PM
"Bard might be the worst team in America.  I've been saying that for years now.  They did get a win over Anna Maria, but that was only because Anna Maria looked past the game, having already beat Bard pretty easily at the beginning of the year."

This is simply not true. In the first Anna Maria game, Bard was ice cold from outside. In the second, they weren't red hot, but merely good. And that was enough to beat Anna Maria. The second time around, three of Bard's starters were also not playing in their very first college game.

A bigger reason Bard is not winning more games early, besides playing all but two at home, is that teams are looking past the rest of their schedules and gunning for Bard, the former HVMAC champion.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 08, 2007, 01:54:18 PM
In addition, it's hard to imagine how Bard was the worst team in America for years, when they've posted 4, 9 and 11 victories during that time. Top 10? No. But no objective analysis shows them as the worst team- and when the schedule is played out, even this year's bunch won't be there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2007, 01:57:17 PM
Well, we'll have to see about the second half of your last statement.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 08, 2007, 02:04:59 PM
Very true. I'll go out on a limb, and predict a split of the next two games (vs. SUNY-Purchase, at Polytechnic), and overall no worse than 2-3 in those two plus the home game against Caz and the home and home vs. D'Youville. They'll also win the home game against winless PSU-Berks, and one no one expects them to win, when their shooters come out firing. My fearless prediction is five wins in a rebuilding year- they won't even be worst in their conference, let alone in America.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2007, 02:08:45 PM
Quote from Raptormania, aka Howie

"I think it is a testament to the quality of the Raptors that merely beating them gets Cal Tech mentioned on ESPN, NBC Sports, and the LA Times. "

Precisely why his posts are so much fun to read.....   Howard, you are appreciated!!!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2007, 02:10:57 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 08, 2007, 02:08:45 PM
Quote from Raptormania,

"I think it is a testament to the quality of the Raptors that merely beating them gets Cal Tech mentioned on ESPN, NBC Sports, and the LA Times. "

+1, Raptormania!  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2007, 02:14:35 PM
In (tepid) defense of Bard, I'd put them 6 pt favorites over Principia! :P

Speaking of bad teams, the OTHER long-awaited showdown from this weekend is still not up on scoreboard.  I speak, of course, of the 'Championship of Northern Maine': Presque Isle vs. Fort Kent!  I assume the sled dogs have yet to reach the nearest telegraph station. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 02:20:05 PM

Kent won by 16.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2007, 02:27:26 PM
the boys likely were still celebrating Saturday's win over the mariners..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2007, 03:25:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 08, 2007, 01:31:58 PM
It looks like Myers' surprise win over the 'Berg sets the whole thing up.

But I checked, and while Potomac State lists a win over WV Tech - the offical WV Tech site shows no such thing, neither is it listed on Massey.

Could that be a win over the WV Tech JV??

I checked also and it is definitely on potomac state college's schedule but absent from both wvu tech varsity and jv.  I am not sure about the game, the Potomac site clearly states when they play against a JV team in other cases but they just say WVU tech for this game.  The game is listed as on November 8 and WVU tech doesnt have any games listed until November 10, maybe it was an exhibition game?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2007, 04:50:17 PM
We may have to await the Bard games later in the year.  I still think that the key breaking out of the Northeast/East will come thru the Liberty League. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 05:08:18 PM
No changes.  I'm just reposting the latest one so I don't lose it too far down the boards.  It's much easier to adjust each day that to create it anew.


Undefeated ( 3 )
Amherst (11-0)
Bates (10-0)
Whitworth (13-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 5 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (8-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (10-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (11-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Redlands (7-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (12-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 9 )
Alma (1-11, win over NCCAA Grace Bible)
Colorado College (1-14, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-7, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
Emmanuel (1-7, win over NAIA Northwood)
*Green Mountain (1-8, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-12, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-10, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-5, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 5 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Eastern Nazarene (0-9)
*Penn State-Berks (0-10)
Principia (0-7)
Thomas More (0-13)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2007, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2007, 02:14:35 PM
I assume the sled dogs have yet to reach the nearest telegraph station. ;)

If the dogs run out of breath, they just might have to employ heliographs -- remember them? -- assuming the sun is shining ....  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2007, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: raptormania on January 08, 2007, 01:52:30 PM
The second time around, three of Bard's starters were also not playing in their very first college game.

Just out of curiosity, how can a player not play in his "very first college game"? Kindly advise soonest ... if not sooner.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 05:53:56 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2007, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: raptormania on January 08, 2007, 01:52:30 PM
The second time around, three of Bard's starters were also not playing in their very first college game.

Just out of curiosity, how can a player not play in his "very first college game"? Kindly advise soonest ... if not sooner.

Oh Warren, you and your grammar.  Read it again, but pretend you're as dumb as the rest of us.  It'll make sense.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 08, 2007, 05:55:00 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 08, 2007, 01:36:01 PM
Sac  -  if you're still around   -    what about Alma  -  are they worse than ever   -  can they get a win in the league?  Will they get off our winless vs D3 list?

Also curious what you can tell me about Steve Hettinga - he coached at Olivet and then a GR semipro team  -  he's now down at MacMurray down here in the SLIAC and they've gotten off to a very good start after being pretty weak the last several years   -  was he successful at Olivet?

Hopefan----

I'll have to get back to you on Coach Hettinga all my juicy MIAA info is on another computer.  He had a fairly nice turnaround at Olivet.

As for Alma, I haven't seen them personally but yeah it would appear they're a solid candidate for winless.  However the MIAA is really down this year and they will have 5 or 6 real solid chances for wins, even away from home.    I have to think at some point they'll disappoint and pull a Cal Tech and grasp victory from the jaws of defeat.  They've got a couple good outside shooters and should they have a hot night you just never know.  If they get a win I think it will come at home, thats a trip thats easy to take a little lightly and be unprepared, esp. if its a long snowy drive up to Alma.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 08, 2007, 06:23:43 PM
"Just out of curiosity, how can a player not play in his "very first college game"? Kindly advise soonest ... if not sooner."

It's surprisingly easy. Every player I've seen not making his debut has done it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2007, 06:56:49 PM
Quote from: raptormania on January 08, 2007, 06:23:43 PM
"Just out of curiosity, how can a player not play in his "very first college game"? Kindly advise soonest ... if not sooner.

It's surprisingly easy. Every player I've seen not making his debut has done it.

If you didn't play in your first college game, then how could your very first college game be your very first college game? I'm still muchly verhoodled (and a bit long in tooth, as well, you see).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2007, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2007, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: raptormania on January 08, 2007, 01:52:30 PM
The second time around, three of Bard's starters were also not playing in their very first college game.

Just out of curiosity, how can a player not play in his "very first college game"? Kindly advise soonest ... if not sooner.

Warren, you're getting such mileage out of this that I almost hate to burst the bubble, but the sentence IS grammatically correct (and intelligible).  You're linking not only to playing, when the proper understanding is 'not' as a negation of the phrase 'playing in their very first college game' (i.e., unlike the first meeting, this time they were playing in their fifth (or whatever) game).

Or perhaps you are ALL joking about the 'misunderstanding' and I am being a boorish pedant?! :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2007, 07:18:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2007, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2007, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: raptormania on January 08, 2007, 01:52:30 PM
The second time around, three of Bard's starters were also not playing in their very first college game.

Just out of curiosity, how can a player not play in his "very first college game"? Kindly advise soonest ... if not sooner.

Warren, you're getting such mileage out of this that I almost hate to burst the bubble, but the sentence IS grammatically correct (and intelligible).  You're linking not only to playing, when the proper understanding is 'not' as a negation of the phrase 'playing in their very first college game' (i.e., unlike the first meeting, this time they were playing in their fifth (or whatever) game).

Or perhaps you are ALL joking about the 'misunderstanding' and I am being a boorish pedant?! :-[

"Bubble," what bubble?  ;)

"Mileage"? What mileage?  ???

"Boorish pedant"? Aren't all of us academics "boorish" and "pedantic"?  If we weren't, we'd be working on Wall Street and advising Donald Trump what to do (including how to find a better barber).  :P

And, yes, I was attempting a joke, of sorts ....  :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 08, 2007, 10:37:07 PM
"And, yes, I was attempting a joke, of sorts .... "

I resent any attempts at humor on the D3Hoops.com message boards.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2007, 08:51:41 AM
Quote from: raptormania on January 08, 2007, 10:37:07 PM
"And, yes, I was attempting a joke, of sorts .... "

I resent any attempts at humor on the D3Hoops.com message boards.


You save those for well constructed fan sites, right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2007, 08:57:25 AM
Updated as of 1/9/2007


Undefeated ( 3 )
Amherst (11-0)
Bates (10-0)
Whitworth (13-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 5 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (8-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (10-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (11-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Redlands (7-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (13-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 9 )
Alma (1-11, win over NCCAA Grace Bible)
Colorado College (1-14, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-7, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
Emmanuel (1-7, win over NAIA Northwood)
*Green Mountain (1-8, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-12, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-10, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-5, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 5 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Eastern Nazarene (0-9)
*Penn State-Berks (0-10)
Principia (0-7)
Thomas More (0-13)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2007, 10:08:23 AM
BIG game in winless catagory as winless East Naz takes on Anna Maria, who has beaten only Bard and Newbury  -   East Naz has a real shot at dropping off our list

Emmanuel get Dan Wedster tonite - we may see them drop off the WAD3 list

several other of our winless play tonight, but will likely only enhance their losing record.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mrmike88 on January 09, 2007, 09:46:10 PM
Emmanuel pulls at the victory at Daniel Webster.  Cross them off...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2007, 10:06:35 PM
I have a serious question for Northeast Region basketball and specifically GNAC fans.

In the game of pure "Naismithian" basketball, i.e., no charging, no traveling, no palming the basketball, tightly called "moving screens" and 3 second lane violations, etc., can Emmanuel women beat Emmanuel men?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2007, 10:25:14 PM
And, Ralph, I believe that would also include being a NO contact sport - no hand-checks, no physical jostling for rebound position, no using your butt to bull your way towards the hoop, etc.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2007, 10:35:58 PM
East Naz LOSES in OT to Anna Maria  -  this loss could move them up in the ratings!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2007, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2007, 10:25:14 PM
And, Ralph, I believe that would also include being a NO contact sport - no hand-checks, no physical jostling for rebound position, no using your butt to bull your way towards the hoop, etc.

Yes.  Do the women beat the men on passing, movement away from the ball, FT shooting, set plays, etc.?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hasanova on January 09, 2007, 11:02:41 PM
Amherst moves to 12-0 with a 76-52 win at Wesleyan with Pat Coleman on hand.  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 10, 2007, 12:48:43 AM
hopefan-----back to Steve Hettinga, he was promoted to head coach at Olivet in 1998 after Olivet had posted a 4-21 (1-11 MIAA) in 1997, longtime coach Gary Morrison's final season in a 29 year career.

A little side note, the Olivet program credits Hettinga with being Head Coach in 96 and 97 even though Gary Morrison was on the bench and in the team photos, as was Hettinga.  I'm not sure why he gets credit for those seasons, I'm going with 97 since he's listed as Head Coach by the MIAA and I remember Morrison's last game in Holland.

The Hettinga file
98....5-20......2-10 7th
99....15-10....8-6 3rdtie
00....15-10....7-7 4thtie
01....12-12....6-6 4th
02....10-16....4-8 6th
03....11-15....3-9 6th
04....11-15....5-7 5th

Cummulative record of 79-98 and 35-53 in MIAA.

The winning records in 99 and 00 were Olivet's first since 1984 and only the 3rd and 4th since 1973.

Hettinga made Olivet more competitive and the road trips to Olivet were not easy during his tenure.  He beat Hope 3 out 4 years at home.  I don't recall that he ever beat Calvin, maybe once or twice, but not in any of Calvin's MIAA championship years.   

I think he would be known as a  pretty good recruiter and definately upgraded the athletes that made their way to Olivet.  Definately changed their on court presense.  But to be honest, he had a very difficult job turning Olivet into anything more that what they turned out under his leadership, he kind of hit the ceiling if you will.  Difficult to get over that hump.

He would also be known as a very intense guy on the sideline, had a couple good blowups while I was in attendance.

I hope he does well at MacMurray
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2007, 08:35:37 AM
Thanks Sac  - he got another win last night to go 4-0 in conference, with 2 road games coming up this weekend. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2007, 08:42:11 AM
As expected, our other losers went as and lost last night.  PSU Berks and Principia stayed perfect, though Prin lost by only 11 to SLIAC first place team MacMurray,   Green Mountain maintained their No 1 WAD3 rating by losing by 40 to Middlebury, and Lincoln Christian lost, but nearly upset Eureka.

Several games tonight, with best chance for a win seemingly for Alma at home vs Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 09:04:43 AM

Emmanuel is gone now, with a big win over hapless Daniel Webster, who might actually be the worst team in the country and are certainly the worst team no one is talking about.  I don't understand ENC at all; they hung tough with Connecticut College on Saturday and then lose to Anna Maria last night.  In their defense, Anna Maria College is the most depressing place in the country.

Updated as of 1/10/2007


Undefeated ( 3 )
Amherst (12-0)
Bates (11-0)
Whitworth (13-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 5 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (8-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (10-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (11-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Redlands (7-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (13-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 8 )
Alma (1-11, win over NCCAA Grace Bible)
Colorado College (1-15, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-8, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-9, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-12, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-10, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-6, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 5 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Eastern Nazarene (0-10)
*Penn State-Berks (0-11)
Principia (0-7)
Thomas More (0-13)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 10:04:09 AM
But Danny Webster had a THREE game winning streak this year! Wow!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 10:04:09 AM
But Danny Webster had a THREE game winning streak this year! Wow!

True enough, although they were against three truly hapless teams.  But, when examining that list, I notice that I totally forgot about Albertus Magnus, who really should be listed as the worst team in d3.  I withdraw my previous statement.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 11:20:19 AM
Ah, Principia may give them a run for their $$, though PSU - Berks is last in NON-Mov Massey, and Bard is last is MOV Massey.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 10, 2007, 11:46:26 AM
Do you have a link to the Massey ratings?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 10, 2007, 11:51:04 AM
www.masseyratings.com
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: raptormania on January 10, 2007, 11:46:26 AM
Do you have a link to the Massey ratings?

Men's D3 Massey Ratings with MOV (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1)

Men's D3 Massey Ratings without MOV (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6) (although I consider these pretty worthless; I mean, c'mon, they have Lake Erie #4!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2007, 11:55:08 AM
I can see my poll is not being given much respect  -  perhaps we should have a panel of voters  -  I must say that Prin's meager 11 point loss last night may move them out of the top spot  -  however, my poll is listed to reflect likelihood of finishing winless, which does not necessarily reflect weakness relative to the other candidates  -  I don't have a weakness of schedule factor....   ;D ;D   I will not allow myself to be influenced by other ratings such as Massey!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 11:58:02 AM
Does your ranking take MOD into account or not? That's the deciding factor for me. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 12:00:17 PM
Last year we chatted a bit about some of the loveable losers on the women's side.

Mt. Mary is 0-7 and lost to Dubuque 100-19. Can someone explain this box score??

http://www.dbq.edu/stats/womensbasketball/wbb2006_2007/udmmary.htm

CCNY is o-fer and lost 75-15 to King's Point (Merchant Marine).

NY Maritime hasn't played many games, but they have a couple of doozies.

A 113-16 drubbing by Maine Maritime. 58 Turnovers. Poor Erika Ramirez 0-1 with 17 turnovers.

http://www.marinersports.com/pages/wbb/06-07recaps/06mmaw01.htm

They also got whopped 98-18 by Medgar Evans. Poor Maritime was outrebounded 83-38.

http://www.cunyathletics.com/sports/wbasket/WOM06-07/HTML/12_02_06.htm

Yikes!

But one wonders what would happen if, say, Wooster played Albertus...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 12:03:09 PM
I saw 12 minutes of Albertus Magnus last night before the Wesleyan/Amherst game. They only suited up seven players.

For Mount Mary/Dubuque -- I see two foulouts on the Mount Mary side. Do we think they called the game a couple minutes early? Or did they just not add up all of Dubuque's minutes?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 12:00:17 PM
Mt. Mary is 0-7 and lost to Dubuque 100-19. Can someone explain this box score??

http://www.dbq.edu/stats/womensbasketball/wbb2006_2007/udmmary.htm

What don't you understand about it?

Quote from: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 12:00:17 PM
A 113-16 drubbing by Maine Maritime. 58 Turnovers. Poor Erika Ramirez 0-1 with 17 turnovers.

There's 39 steals for ME-Maritime.  That's a pretty impressive stat too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 12:03:09 PM
Do we think they called the game a couple minutes early? Or did they just not add up all of Dubuque's minutes?


Maybe they let the clock run during FTs at the end, but didn't count those as minutes played?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 12:11:13 PM
This evening, I plan to attend the Kenyon/Hiram game, then drive 20-some-odd miles to catch the second half of Denison vs. Oberlin.  Now, this year, these teams may not individually be in contention for the Worst Team in D3 trophy (the "Pressboard and Tin," as opposed to the "Walnut and Bronze"), but I defy any of you to find a better evening of back-to-back bad basketball ("BBBB").   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2007, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 12:11:13 PM
This evening, I plan to attend the Kenyon/Hiram game, then drive 20-some-odd miles to catch the second half of Denison vs. Oberlin.  Now, this year, these teams may not individually be in contention for the Worst Team in D3 trophy (the "Pressboard and Tin," as opposed to the "Walnut and Bronze"), but I defy any of you to find a better evening of back-to-back bad basketball ("BBBB").   ;D

Wow!  Does your shrink know about these masochistic tendencies? :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 12:33:36 PM

You could do it quite easily in New England.  Becker and Anna Maria are only about ten minutes from each other.  Curry and ENC are even closer.

In fact, Pat could watch the first half of Albertus Magnus and Rivier on Feb 17th and then drive the 45 minutes to Mitchell and catch them play Newbury.  I dare say none of those four teams could beat any of the four you're seeing this evening.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 12:38:26 PM
Massey w/MOV has Kenyon at #201 in D3, making them the overwhelming favorite in tonight's quartet.  Hiram is #306, Oberlin is #319, and Denison is a sterling #355.  And no fewer than two of these teams will make the conference tournament.  In fact, Hiram is currently in *gulp* fourth place in the NCAC.   ::)

Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 10, 2007, 12:33:36 PM
You could do it quite easily in New England.  Becker and Anna Maria are only about ten minutes from each other.  Curry and ENC are even closer.

Yes, you could do it...but will you?  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 02:09:12 PM
The main issue is that there are hardly any defensive rebounds in that box score, but plenty of DEADBALL rebounds.

Oh, I bet they called the game early!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 02:23:10 PM

Well, you know, technically once the ball hits the floor the rebound can't be given to an individual.  Maybe that's it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 10, 2007, 02:23:10 PM

Well, you know, technically once the ball hits the floor the rebound can't be given to an individual.  Maybe that's it.

This is not anywhere near true.

A deadball rebound is an accounting tool. Every missed shot must have a rebound, including the first of two free throws. That's where deadball rebounds come from.

Rebounds that are knocked out of bounds are team rebounds and are awarded to the team that is awarded possession.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 03:06:44 PM

I didn't say it was right, I just offered it as a possibility.  I guess once again the sarcasm doesn't work so well on this thing.  I apologize.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 03:18:45 PM
Ah, Hoops Fan, the thing is that there are some people, sportswriters even, who believe what you believe. One local sports editor around here is always 9 or 10 rebounds short of a full slate of them because of this.

I got into a heated arguement with the self-appointed statistician for a local high school, who gave a player a 'recovery' if they grabbed the ball after a missed shot after it hit the floor.

When I showed him an official NCAA box, he scoffed at it. Sigh...

Now, a deadball rebound can also occur after a shot clock violation (the ball is shot before the clock but the shot draws air and the buzzer goes off - it's a defensive deadball rebound) and if the ball gets wedged in the basket support or hits the shot clock or guide wire holding up the basket. Or at a heave at the end of the half.

And now that I've bored you...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 03:20:16 PM

Right.  That's exactly why I said it.  It was supposed to be a sarcastic remark about all the people who I've had tell me that at games.  However, sarcasm, when typed, just makes one look like a fool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 03:35:43 PM
Ah, unless you use... ;)...or  :P or  :-*
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 03:55:37 PM

Going back to really weird boxscores, there were two really bad games in my CCC Conference last night with Anna Maria beating Eastern Nazarene and Wentworth beating New England College.  The crazy thing is that between these four schools, there were 178 rebounds!!


http://www.annamaria.edu/athletics/results/enc11mb.htm

http://www.wit.edu/Athletics/varsity/basketball_m/0607/MBBGM11.HTM
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2007, 07:38:17 PM
It's been awhile since I updated this.

By my count



   Poster      Team      Elimination   
   Sac      Amherst (12-0)   Nxt Gm:  at Tufts 1/12
   FlyingDutchFan      Calvin    L 76-54 to Hope 11/25
   hope1      Hope   L 71-65 to Carthage F 12/1
   Mr. Ypsi      Ill. Wes.   L 87-74 to Ohio Wes 11/24
   oldreporter      King's Point   L 107-85 to Kean 11/21
   larry u      Lawrence   L 70-67 to Stevens Point 11/21   
   David Collinge      Maryville (TN)   L 93-82 to Emory 11/26      
   Hoops Fan      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   MC Boy      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Ralph Turner      Miss. College   L 84-82 OT to Wesley (MS) 11/20   
   Cardinal Alum   North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   L 85-69 to Aurora T 11/28
   Gregory Sager      NYU Lost 68-64  at Carnegie Mellon Fri 1/5
   digs      Occidental   L 72-63 to St. Thomas 11/17   
   unbearable      Rhode Island   L 82-78 to Keene St. S 12/2
   Hoopsnews      Salem St.   L 85-73 to Roger Williams 11/18   
   Titan Q      Virginia Wes.L 81-73 to Averett 11/27
   WLCalum83      Whitewater   L 69-68 OT to Ill. Wes. 11/18   
   Old School      Whitworth (13-0)   Nxt Gm:  vs Puget Sound Fri 1/12
   Smedindy      Wittenberg   L 68-65 to Wooster Sat. 12/9
   Point Special      Wooster    L 94-89 to Cal. Baptist 12/27
   wooscotsfan      Wooster     L 94-89 to Cal. Baptist 12/27
   hopefan      WPI    L 87-78 to Salem St. 11/26   
   PSBBallGuy      York (PA)   L 71-69 to Villa Julie 11/18   

Amherst plays on the East Coast and their game will be done first! lol
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2007, 10:20:33 PM
Hoops fan - that's a lot of iron. I bet the clanging sound is still resonating in the fans' ears today....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 10, 2007, 11:06:16 PM
I'm very sad to report the Alma Scots have fallen off our list of winless vs D3 with a 64-56 win over Kalamazoo in Alma.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2007, 12:02:44 AM
Caltech rediscovers its essential Caltechness tonight, losing at Occidental 103-40.  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 11, 2007, 12:42:35 AM
Ah, well, they were still high from the big win...

Either that or they have killer labs tomorrow...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2007, 08:23:13 AM
yes, we lose Alma as I thought might happen, but Thomas More , Huntindon and LAverne all continue their losing ways.

Winless teams from New England play tonight  -  Albertus and East Naz play Emerson and Rog Williams respectively, with little chance to disappoint us.  Wad3 leader Green Mountain plays a very weak Newbury team, but it's doubtful that Green Mountain will get their first d3 win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2007, 09:37:46 AM

Updated as of 1/11/2007


Undefeated ( 3 )
Amherst (12-0)
Bates (11-0)
Whitworth (13-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 5 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (9-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (11-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (11-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Redlands (8-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (14-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 7 )
Colorado College (1-15, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-8, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-9, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-13, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-11, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-6, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 5 )
Albertus Magnus (0-8)
Eastern Nazarene (0-10)
*Penn State-Berks (0-11)
Principia (0-7)
Thomas More (0-14)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2007, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 11, 2007, 12:02:44 AM
Caltech rediscovers its essential Caltechness tonight, losing at Occidental 103-40.  :'(

Maranatha Baptist lost to Whitewater earlier this week, 92-27...they were down 46-6 at half time.  At least Caltech scored 35 when they played Whitewater during the 03-04 season (though they gave up 123!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2007, 08:30:30 AM
East Naz loses by 37 to Roger Williams last night, and Green Mountain upholds there No 1 slot by losing at home to Newbury by 23.  That's a great loss, as Newbury appears to be ...AWFUL.

Albertus Magnus is not yet reporting their score, but if they play, it's a safe bet they lost.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2007, 09:15:19 AM

Newbury really stinks.  I never thought they'd beat anybody by that much, even a high school team.  I'm still betting Albertus is worse though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2007, 09:18:41 AM
Hoops, I would have sworn that you were from Kansas City, but you seem very familiar with New England   -- where are you?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2007, 09:26:34 AM
Albertus comes close, but loses to Emerson by 5.

Updated as of 1/12/2007


Undefeated ( 3 )
Amherst (12-0)
Bates (11-0)
Whitworth (13-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 5 )
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (9-3, losses to NAIA's Westmont, Concordia-California and Point Loma Nazarene)
Lake Erie (11-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (12-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
Redlands (8-3, losses to NAIA's Biola and Hope International and d2 Cal State-LA)
UW-Stevens Point (14-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 7 )
Colorado College (1-15, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-8, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-10, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-13, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
La Verne (1-11, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Lincoln Christian (1-6, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-9, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 5 )
Albertus Magnus (0-9)
Eastern Nazarene (0-11)
*Penn State-Berks (0-11)
Principia (0-7)
Thomas More (0-14)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2007, 09:27:04 AM

I'm in KC now, but I'm from New England, went to school there and will be going back there once I finish this master's degree.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2007, 11:25:37 AM
aaaahhhh  -that explains it  -   thanks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 12, 2007, 09:11:04 PM
Amherst survives OT at Tufts 94-92 ;D

The survival poll hits high drama tommorrow as both our survivors' teams face stiff challenges.

Amherst vs Bates
Whitworth vs Puget Sound

Good chance we'll have a winner tommorrow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 12, 2007, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: sac on January 12, 2007, 09:11:04 PM
Amherst survives OT at Tufts 94-92 ;D

The survival poll hits high drama tommorrow as both our survivors' teams face stiff challenges.

Amherst vs Bates
Whitworth vs Puget Sound

Good chance we'll have a winner tommorrow.

Whitworth vs Puget Sound is tonight, according to the schedule...

Amherst should've lost, so we'll conveniently mark that down as one! lol  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 12, 2007, 09:23:29 PM
Really? tonight?  Well maybe we'll have our survivor winner tonight :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mrmike88 on January 12, 2007, 09:27:40 PM
Bates loses, 68-63 to Trinity.  2 undefeated's left...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 12, 2007, 09:33:07 PM
Ah, and the great undefeated face off is avoided.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2007, 09:46:31 PM
Time for a rebound, Bates!  Make Maine a winner over the Jeffs.  The women of Maine have dominated for years - time for the men to come through.

I'm not really rooting against you, sac, but I've got Bates in the pick-ems; besides, I've also got Puget Sound in the pick-ems tonite!  I need you BOTH to fall! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2007, 01:07:10 AM
And sac is the survivor, as Puget Sound knocks off Whitworth, 77-72!

So, sac, now that you've already won, will you join me in cheering for Bates?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2007, 07:10:38 AM
Congrats to sac!!  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 13, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Thank you, I'd like to thank the committee for providing this opportunity its a lovely award and will look nice packed in a box and stored along with the rest of my stuff.

Special thanks to Williams for being down this year, you made my pick easier ;D :D ;)  Also a thanks to Northern Michigan for beating Point, Puget Sound for the late night shocker, and to the other picksters who still believe that a midwest, great lakes or wiac team can actually go undefeated.  Oh yeah and thanks to whoever beat the Violets........that would have been embarassing :D ;)

After years of futily picking midwest and great lakes teams it dawned on me.......and I went with Amherst. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2007, 11:36:19 AM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Thank you, I'd like to thank the committee for providing this opportunity its a lovely award and will look nice packed in a box and stored along with the rest of my stuff.

Special thanks to Williams for being down this year, you made my pick easier ;D :D ;)  Also a thanks to Northern Michigan for beating Point, Puget Sound for the late night shocker, and to the other picksters who still believe that a midwest, great lakes or wiac team can actually go undefeated.  Oh yeah and thanks to whoever beat the Violets........that would have been embarassing :D ;)

After years of futily picking midwest and great lakes teams it dawned on me.......and I went with Amherst. ;D

Your acceptance speech basically explains D3 Hoops this year! :D :D :D

And, Wesley (MI) won't beat Mississippi College one year in ten.  This was the year. :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2007, 12:09:44 PM
Hail to the Victor Valiant!
Hail to the Conquering Hero!
Hail, Hail to SAC
The Leader and Best!

Hail to the Victor Valiant!
Hail to the Conquering Hero!
Hail, Hail to SAC
The Champion of the...Northeast?

:)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2007, 12:29:51 PM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Also a thanks to Northern Michigan for beating Point, Puget Sound for the late night shocker, and to the other picksters who still believe that a midwest, great lakes or wiac team can actually go undefeated. 

Congrats sac...you know Amherst should've lost! lol  ;D.  You get credit for the "gutsy" pick...and I say that because they do always have to play Williams and with the emergence of teams like Bates, Tufts and the tradition of Trinity, the NESCAC is tough to go undefeated (even though it doesn't count since they only play each other once!)

For the record, I wouldn't pick anyone in those regions you mentioned because the conferences in those regions are so tough...and they actually play each other twice!   :P

Congrats again!  Nice job Whitworth!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mrmike88 on January 13, 2007, 12:44:49 PM
Sac, I would sing you the Amherst fight song but

1) It doesn't stack up to Michigan's

and

2) I don't know it (and I'm pretty sure few of the current students do).

Thanks for the support!  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2007, 05:12:39 PM
Congrats, Sac. Your gold-label-edition bottle of Heinz ketchup is in the mail. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2007, 07:36:46 PM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Thank you, I'd like to thank the committee for providing this opportunity its a lovely award and will look nice packed in a box and stored along with the rest of my stuff.

Special thanks to Williams for being down this year, you made my pick easier ;D :D ;)  Also a thanks to Northern Michigan for beating Point, Puget Sound for the late night shocker, and to the other picksters who still believe that a midwest, great lakes or wiac team can actually go undefeated.  Oh yeah and thanks to whoever beat the Violets........that would have been embarassing :D ;)

After years of futily picking midwest and great lakes teams it dawned on me.......and I went with Amherst. ;D

Actually, it didn't work out so bad just last year for whomever picked Lawrence. ;)

DID someone pick Lawrence?  Who won last year?  (Memo to sac: fame is fleeting; enjoy! ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hugenerd on January 13, 2007, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Oh yeah and thanks to whoever beat the Violets........that would have been embarassing :D ;)

A side note, this is two years in a row that CMU has handed NYU their first loss of the season.  After a full slate of non-conference cupcakes, NYU never seems to be ready for that first UAA game of the year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2007, 07:58:10 PM
"Revenge of the Lovable Losers":

Remember just 3 weeks ago when Adrian was among our final 9 winless teams (0-8 at the time)?  They have since won 5 straight, and are tied with Hope for first place in the MIAA!  And guess where Hope plays this Wedsnesday! ;D

I'm going to try to make the game - will I see any posters there?  (I'll also post my intentions on the MIAA board, where posters are more likely to see it.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 13, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
I will be there Mr Y as will FDF and Civic, possibly GoHope.  and I'm going to try and drag bulldogalum over to say hello.  Should be good.

Adrian had a D1/D2 transfer join the team in late December and haven't lost since.  Adrian can a be a tricky place to play, Hope's had a number of struggles down there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2007, 02:16:17 PM
While not all scores are yet posted (including the BIG game between winless Penn St Berks and D'youville)  as predicted, we have lost several members of our Winless and WAD3 ranks!!!

Albertus beats Dan Webster  90-81
Thomas More defeats Thiel  59-45

So at this minute, we are down to 3 winless;
Principia,who lost by double digits to Fontbonne, then got postponed vs Maryville due to icy conditions  -  incidently, as poorly as Maryville is playing, that game should be watched for upset possibilities for Prin

Penn St Berks  -  looking for that score vs Dyouville

East Naz-  who lost to New England College on Saturday.

In WAD3 activity, Green Mountain easily maintained their No 1 ranking by losing by + 20 to Mitchell.

BUT Laverne falls out  -  edging Whittier 67-63

That leaves our WAD3 list with Green Mountain, Colorado College, Huntingdon, Minnesota Morris, Crown  (weekend scores missing), and Lincoln Christian.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2007, 05:58:42 PM
Berks/D'Youville is a conference game, too. You'd think that conference would have a rule on reporting scores.

NEAC is a D3Scoreboard.com conference, so its scores get posted automatically when they report to their conference.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2007, 03:51:07 AM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
I will be there Mr Y as will FDF and Civic, possibly GoHope.  and I'm going to try and drag bulldogalum over to say hello.  Should be good.

It better be. Whenever Chuck decides that he's actually going to attend a D3 game, CNN, FoxNews, and Bloomberg all run the announcement on their crawls. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2007, 11:55:55 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2007, 03:51:07 AM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
I will be there Mr Y as will FDF and Civic, possibly GoHope.  and I'm going to try and drag bulldogalum over to say hello.  Should be good.

It better be. Whenever Chuck decides that he's actually going to attend a D3 game, CNN, FoxNews, and Bloomberg all run the announcement on their crawls. :D

Really?!  I'd missed that (I imagine Foxnews runs it with the heading: terrorist threat alert ;)).

I'm holding out for Sports Center having me on to analyze the Adrian-Hope result. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2007, 12:02:46 PM
We lost a lot of teams off this list.  Still no word on the PSU-Berks score.

Updated as of 1/15/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (14-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 3 )
Lake Erie (12-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (13-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
UW-Stevens Point (14-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 6 )
Colorado College (1-15, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-9, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-11, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-14, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
*Lincoln Christian (1-8, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-11, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 3 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-12)
*Penn State-Berks (0-11)
Principia (0-9)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 15, 2007, 12:09:03 PM
"Speaking of loveable losers, Bard played Polytechnic, and you know you're not dealing with a school that takes its sports all that seriously when it gives directions to its basketball "field":"

I guess your best bet when Bard beats someone is to run down that team instead. This sure seems more like Poly has a web guy at the school who doesn't take sports all that seriously. Their venue is actually terrific- I've been there for HVMAC tournament games, and the fans are great. I'm looking forward to playing them at their field for years to come.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2007, 02:14:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2007, 11:55:55 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2007, 03:51:07 AM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
I will be there Mr Y as will FDF and Civic, possibly GoHope.  and I'm going to try and drag bulldogalum over to say hello.  Should be good.

It better be. Whenever Chuck decides that he's actually going to attend a D3 game, CNN, FoxNews, and Bloomberg all run the announcement on their crawls. :D

Really?!  I'd missed that (I imagine Foxnews runs it with the heading: terrorist threat alert ;)).

Is there such a thing as Threat Level Green? ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2007, 09:17:19 AM

ENC plays Newbury tonight.  This is their only winnable game outside of the rematch with Anna Maria this Thursday.  If ENC doesn't have a win by Friday, they may go 0 for the season.

Updated as of 1/16/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (14-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 3 )
Lake Erie (13-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (13-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
UW-Stevens Point (14-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 6 )
Colorado College (1-15, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-10, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-11, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-14, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
*Lincoln Christian (1-8, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-11, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 2 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-12)
Principia (0-9)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 16, 2007, 10:28:20 AM
Found it on D'Youville's site. I think PSU - Berks was so stunned...they forgot to post.

Reading, PA (1/13/07)- The men's basketball team lost 69-66 at Penn St.-Berks, despite a game-high 19 points and 14 rebounds from Tom Kowalski (Cheektowaga, NY/JFK). Shawn Satarian (Niagara Falls, NY/Niagara Catholic) added 14 points for the Spartans (1-13, 1-4).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2007, 09:00:33 AM

Principia, Crown and ENC all lost.  Amherst and the MC both won.  No changes.

Updated as of 1/17/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (15-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 3 )
Lake Erie (13-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (14-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
UW-Stevens Point (14-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 6 )
Colorado College (1-15, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-11, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-11, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-14, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
*Lincoln Christian (1-8, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-11, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 2 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-13)
Principia (0-10)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2007, 09:02:39 AM
Perhaps the Berks - D'Youville game was so stunning...everone was asleep??? Worst matchup of the year thus far?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2007, 09:24:37 AM

Neither school has put up the box score yet, but an unconfirmed eyewitness reports that ENC gave up a 17 point halftime lead in losing to Newbury 53-58.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2007, 08:19:18 AM
HUGE winless game tonight

Wad3 Lincoln Christian @ Winless Principia.

Prin's best opportunity for a win to date

Lincoln has several 1 or 2 point losses in the SLIAC against SLIAC leaders, but still haven't yet crested the peak to a D3 win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2007, 09:09:40 AM

Updated as of 1/18/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (15-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 3 )
Lake Erie (13-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (14-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
UW-Stevens Point (15-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 6 )
Colorado College (1-15, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-11, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-11, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-15, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
*Lincoln Christian (1-8, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-11, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 2 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-13)
Principia (0-10)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2007, 09:12:32 AM

Along with the Principia/Lincoln Christian game,

ENC gets Anna Maria at home this time.  ENC is coming off the embarrassing 17 point halftime lead they blew on Tuesday, which was followed by an old school midnight practice when the team got back to campus.  Anna Maria's coach has equally given up on the season, playing all 18 guys on the roster in their last game, no one scored more than 8 points and no one played more than 18 minutes.  They lost by 40.

Green Mountain is playing Lyndon State.  I know Lyndon is like a first year provisional, but it could be a winnable game for the crazy environmentalists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2007, 04:02:56 AM
Lyndon State 71, Green Mountain 62
Anna Maria 66, Eastern Nazarene 62
Principia 87, Lincoln Christian 53

(The latter score is not posted on the D3hoops.com scoreboard or on the websites of Principia or LCC. I got it from the SLIAC room.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2007, 05:14:44 AM
Assuming the Prin score is correct, East Naz becomes the Sole survivor of our winless group for the 2006-07 year, and Lincoln Christian vaults in the ratings of our WAD3 group, but will not be able to justify surpassing No 1 Green Mountain!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2007, 05:37:53 AM
That makes me feel very badly for Eastern Nazarene. It must be a terrible burden to be the only winless team in all of D3.

I wonder how CCIW Chat regular Joe Hakes feels about his school's archrival being the only team in all of D3 that hasn't won a game this year? Seems as though this could be an interesting spiritual tug-of-war between compassion and schadenfreude. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2007, 09:36:25 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2007, 05:37:53 AM
I wonder how CCIW Chat regular Joe Hakes feels about his school's archrival being the only team in all of D3 that hasn't won a game this year?


I'm not sure how he feels, but let me tell you, I am one proud alum.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2007, 09:38:34 AM

Updated as of 1/19/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (15-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 3 )
Lake Erie (14-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (14-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
UW-Stevens Point (15-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 6 )
Colorado College (1-15, win over ACCA Life Pacific)
*Crown (1-11, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-12, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
Huntingdon (1-15, win over NCCAA Atlanta Christian)
*Lincoln Christian (1-9, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)
*Minnesota-Morris (2-11, win over d2 Minnesota-Crookston and over NCCAA North Central (MN))


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-13)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 19, 2007, 09:58:21 AM
SLIAC web site confirms the Principia score. Wowser.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2007, 10:20:44 AM
HoopsFan  -  I had no idea you were so deeply vested !!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2007, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 19, 2007, 10:20:44 AM
HoopsFan  -  I had no idea you were so deeply vested !!!!!

I don't need that getting around the boards.  Although it might be good for some pity karma.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 19, 2007, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 19, 2007, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 19, 2007, 10:20:44 AM
HoopsFan  -  I had no idea you were so deeply vested !!!!!
I don't need that getting around the boards.  Although it might be good for some pity karma.
Done. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2007, 11:01:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2007, 05:37:53 AM
That makes me feel very badly for Eastern Nazarene. It must be a terrible burden to be the only winless team in all of D3.

They have experience, if they follow the women's team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 20, 2007, 11:09:18 AM
They're no longer part of our list, but ESPN College Gameday is running a feature on Cal Tech breaking their losing streak in a few minutes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2007, 11:32:18 AM
We lose two more WAD3 teams this weekend!!!!!

Colorado College crushes The Slugs of Santa Cruz  90-68

Huntingdon stuns Fisk in OT 66-64

East Naz stays winless

Wad3 teams remaining are Lincoln Christian (who again came close to a SLIAC contender losing to Fontbonne by 5), Minnesota Morris, Crown (though Crown's Saturday score in a possible win game vs Martin Luther is not yet posted) and Green Mountain.



Crown and Minnesota Morris play next Friday  -  someone WILL win

Green Mountain has a weak Mass College team next Saturday

LCC gets youthful Maryville at home next Saturday - LCC has played close several times at home - this could be an opportunity to win
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2007, 08:53:56 AM

Lincoln Christian drops a nail biter to Fontbonne and stays on the list.  Crown lost by 43 to Martin Luther and are still alive.  Mn-Morris, CC and Huntingdon all win.

Updated as of 1/22/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (17-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 3 )
Lake Erie (15-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (15-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
UW-Stevens Point (16-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 3 )
*Crown (1-13, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-13, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
*Lincoln Christian (1-10, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-15)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2007, 09:56:01 AM
Wow, check out the symmetry. Eerie!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 22, 2007, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 22, 2007, 09:56:01 AM
Wow, check out the symmetry. Eerie!

No, no, it's spelled "ERIE"

Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 22, 2007, 08:53:56 AM
Undefeated vs d3 ( 3 )
Lake Erie (15-1, loss to d2 Findlay)

;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2007, 08:43:50 AM

Updated as of 1/24/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (18-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 3 )
Lake Erie (15-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (15-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)
UW-Stevens Point (16-1, loss to d2 Northern Michigan)


Winless vs d3 ( 3 )
*Crown (1-13, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-13, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)
*Lincoln Christian (1-10, win over NCCAA Great Lakes Christian)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-16)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 24, 2007, 10:57:37 AM
Good luck, Cal Tech! Every win improves Bard's SOS!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: raptormania on January 24, 2007, 10:57:37 AM
Good luck, Cal Tech! Every win improves Bard's SOS!

Don't you think it's too early for Bard to be sending out an SOS?  They've still got some winnable games ahead.  Don't give up the ship!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 24, 2007, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 24, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: raptormania on January 24, 2007, 10:57:37 AM
Good luck, Cal Tech! Every win improves Bard's SOS!

Don't you think it's too early for Bard to be sending out an SOS?  They've still got some winnable games ahead.  Don't give up the ship!  ;)
Raptormaina, it's no longer called the SOS, it's called the  QOWI... or Quality of Wins Index. David obviously knew what you meant though. :P

I know I'm going to regret not going to watch CalTech again tonight, but seeing Redlands against the best team in the SCIAC is really the only way for me to gauge whether or not they've really improved this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
It doesn't matter how many games Cal Tech wins, Bard's QoWI will be unaffected, unless they open a satellite campus within 200 miles of Pasadena and base the basketball team there.  Hmmm..Maybe Bard-Barstow?  Bard-Big Bear?  The Bard-Beverly Hills Mink Wrap-tors?  :D

A win by the Beavers would not improve Bard's QoWI, but would improve their "Strength of Schedule." SOS doesn't cease to be a legitimate concept just because the NCAA uses a different statistic.  Anyway, disregarding the regional issues, it defies explanation how a win by Cal Tech can improve Bard's "Quality of Wins Index" when Cal Tech isn't a "win" for Bard (regardless of quality.) 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2007, 01:06:50 PM
Well, it would be odd to call it Quality of Loss Index, but it measures that too. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 24, 2007, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2007, 01:06:50 PM
Well, it would be odd to call it Quality of Loss Index, but it measures that too. :)
I think that David's use of the word "win" in quotes is because, as you know, Bard and Cal Tech are in different regions, so it doesn't count as anything in the eyes of the NCAA either way.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2007, 01:48:31 PM
No, not really, I just meant to highlight the fact all regional games impact the Quality of Wins Index, even those wins that actually are losses.  ::)

Since the QoWI purports to measure not just the quality of wins, but the quality of losses as well, such as Bard's loss to Cal Tech had that been a regional game, it seems that it might better be called QoWaLI (for Wins and Losses), or maybe Quality of Schedule Index, or maybe even Strength of Schedule Index.  That makes more sense to me, but since common sense doesn't play too large a role in Indianapolis, maybe it's better just to send an SOS.  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 24, 2007, 01:53:20 PM
According to Massey ratings using MOV, Bard's SOS is 399 out of 403. (ICK!) Only our friends in Presque Isle, Maine Maritime, Green Mountain, and Polytechnic are worse.

To illustrate how abysmal Green Mountain is - they're ranked last in Massey and have the second easiest schedule. They did beat the worst team ranked in NAIA II, in OT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 24, 2007, 02:33:10 PM
Interesting stuff. Looks like the move to the Skyline alone will boost their SOS. It's pretty clear that this Massey fellow has a pronounced anti-NEAC bias. My guess is that he was attacked by a winter storm as a child.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 24, 2007, 03:30:07 PM
Nah, it's just the way the computer shakes out. No bias at all.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 24, 2007, 06:21:14 PM
As you well know, computers are HEAVILY biased against the NEAC as well. Massey knows this; his adherence to computers for ranking DIII teams is merely complicity in this larger slur by computers against the conference.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2007, 11:50:46 PM
Lincoln Christian drops out of the WAD3 list, beating last years SLIAC regular season Champ, Blackburn, 89-78!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 25, 2007, 12:02:30 AM
UW Stevens Point drop off the unbeaten against D-III list, as well, losing at home to UW Oshkosh 72-55.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 25, 2007, 12:05:06 AM
Symmetry still in effect!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2007, 08:40:45 AM
oooohhhh   Laverne 58    Caltek  55   :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2007, 08:49:25 AM

Updated as of 1/25/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (18-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 2 )
Lake Erie (16-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (15-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-14, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-13, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-16)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 25, 2007, 11:47:48 AM
Kenneth Massey on Bard's absurdly low rating: "There's nothing I can really do to defend it."

Check out the complete story on www.raptormania.com
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2007, 08:43:30 AM

Updated as of 1/26/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (18-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 2 )
Lake Erie (16-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (16-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-14, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-13, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-17)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2007, 07:15:31 AM
Crown loses to Minnesota Morris - not many more chances for a win..

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2007, 09:06:02 AM
I can't find a Crown-Presentation score for Saturday.

Updated as of 1/29/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (20-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 2 )
Lake Erie (17-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (17-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-16, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-13, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-17)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 29, 2007, 09:09:57 AM
UMAC site says Presentation won 61-43. UMAC site also has Crown at 2-16.

http://www.umacathletics.com/stats/men_basketball/M-06-07/HTML/CCMBK.HTM
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2007, 09:12:06 AM

Thanks for the score.  I looked at the website, but couldn't find it.  One of their wins was an exhibition game.  Apparently the UMAC doesn't care that the game didn't count.  I've updated below accordingly.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 29, 2007, 09:13:20 AM
Ah, of course. Well, Crown probably sent in the stats as if it was a real game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2007, 09:13:50 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2007, 09:13:20 AM
Ah, of course. Well, Crown probably sent in the stats as if it was a real game.

I would if I were them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2007, 09:09:57 AM
UMAC site says Presentation won 61-43. UMAC site also has Crown at 2-16.

http://www.umacathletics.com/stats/men_basketball/M-06-07/HTML/CCMBK.HTM
That second win is over Providence College and Seminary, Otterburne, Manitoba (http://prov.ca/athletics/mensbb.aspx).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 29, 2007, 11:32:09 AM
+K to Ralph for the great research!  Actually, he probably didn't have to research; he probably knows all there is to know about the Manitoba Freemen without having to look them up!  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pufin on January 29, 2007, 02:12:59 PM
How about the 2005-2006 Providence College and Seminary Freemen:

0-20 Regular season record
0-1 in NCCAA Regional Tournament
0-3 in NIAC Conference Tournament
2-2 in the ACCA National Tournament

An 0-24 team plays in a national tournament (all the way in Oklahoma City) and wins two of four games!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2007, 02:39:54 PM

The ACCA is the tournament for all the schools that aren't good enough to compete in the NCCAA, which is about the biggest joke around.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 30, 2007, 05:14:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2007, 09:09:57 AM
UMAC site says Presentation won 61-43. UMAC site also has Crown at 2-16.

http://www.umacathletics.com/stats/men_basketball/M-06-07/HTML/CCMBK.HTM
That second win is over Providence College and Seminary, Otterburne, Manitoba (http://prov.ca/athletics/mensbb.aspx).

In that case, it doesn't count. Games played against Canadian teams are not counted as part of a team's record.

However, I've always said that a game against a Canadian team should count as .85 of a normal game. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2007, 09:11:39 AM

We covered that earlier, Sager.  D3hoops lists it as an exhibition, but the conference website counts it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2007, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 30, 2007, 05:14:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2007, 09:09:57 AM
UMAC site says Presentation won 61-43. UMAC site also has Crown at 2-16.

http://www.umacathletics.com/stats/men_basketball/M-06-07/HTML/CCMBK.HTM
That second win is over Providence College and Seminary, Otterburne, Manitoba (http://prov.ca/athletics/mensbb.aspx).

In that case, it doesn't count. Games played against Canadian teams are not counted as part of a team's record.

However, I've always said that a game against a Canadian team should count as .85 of a normal game. :D
:D :D :D :D :D
Greg, that is pretty good accuracy for the exchange rate (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html).

:D :D :D  Where did you see that?  Bank of America?  :D :D  ::) ;) :) ;D 8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2007, 10:17:15 AM

Updated as of 1/30/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (20-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 2 )
Lake Erie (18-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (17-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-16, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-13, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-17)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 30, 2007, 10:50:12 PM
I think we need to schedule a post season tourney - an 8 way classic like the Alaska shootout, featuring my bottom 8 (seeded):

D'Youville vs. Crown
Green Mountain vs. Maine - Presque Isle
Eastern Nazarene vs. Bard
Becker vs. Mt. St. Vincent.

Can you imagine the thrill in the air for the 7th place game as D'Youville faces Eastern Nazarene?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2007, 11:32:15 PM
How would you reward the winner?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 12:41:58 AM
Automatic bid to the USCAA tournament.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2007, 04:56:40 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2007, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 30, 2007, 05:14:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2007, 09:09:57 AM
UMAC site says Presentation won 61-43. UMAC site also has Crown at 2-16.

http://www.umacathletics.com/stats/men_basketball/M-06-07/HTML/CCMBK.HTM
That second win is over Providence College and Seminary, Otterburne, Manitoba (http://prov.ca/athletics/mensbb.aspx).

In that case, it doesn't count. Games played against Canadian teams are not counted as part of a team's record.

However, I've always said that a game against a Canadian team should count as .85 of a normal game. :D
:D :D :D :D :D
Greg, that is pretty good accuracy for the exchange rate (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html).

:D :D :D  Where did you see that?  Bank of America?  :D :D  ::) ;) :) ;D 8)

The bosses make us recite the currency exchange rates before they'll let us in the breakfast line in the company cafeteria. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 09:05:25 AM

Updated as of 1/31/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (21-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 2 )
Lake Erie (18-1, loss to d2 Findlay)
Mississippi College (17-1, loss to NCCAA Wesley College of Mississippi)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-17, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-14, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-18)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on January 31, 2007, 11:17:41 AM
I love the idea of the tourney. For struggling schools like Becker and Easern Nazarene, the chance to play a elite team like Bard could only help their struggling programs. And let's host it at Stevenson Gymnasium. No need for any automatic bid- the chance to play in Annandale-on-Hudson will be incentive enough.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 12:41:58 AM
Automatic bid to the USCAA tournament.

Why don't we start with the ACCA.  You know, we wouldn't want the d3 school to be embarrassed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2007, 11:24:22 AM
Remember too, that in a losers tourney, the loser plays the next round, the winner goes home.  Loser of the final game brings home the championship trophy..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 11:38:00 AM

We need to call it the "First Annual Survivor Pool One-and-Done Tournament, presented by d3hoops.com"  (that is if Pat's up for the commercial labeling).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 31, 2007, 11:24:22 AM
Remember too, that in a losers tourney, the loser plays the next round, the winner goes home.  Loser of the final game brings home the championship trophy..

...or loses it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 11:41:48 AM

Maybe the trophy is a giant bucket of kimchi and spam?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 01:32:01 PM
Ugh, even I find that gross. :P

Incidentally, this thread is funny...  way to have fun at the expense of the outcasted... Reeeal classy. ::) :D ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 01:51:49 PM

I can make fun of them all I want.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2007, 01:51:49 PM

I can make fun of them all I want.
That's valid.... if you want me to kick David, Pat or hopefan around though, let me know. I know where they live. ;D :D

Just kidding guys, you know I love you! :-*
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 01:55:28 PM
I know where they live.


Joking or not, that may be a TOS violation although as the self-proclaimed TOS Queen, you would probably the one do interpret that rule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
Don't forget that the team I follow the second most closely is Denison.  Now, the Big Red are no Eastern Nazarene ;), but I think they're lowly enough to merit my admission to this room.  :)

Plus, I'll bet I've seen more Cal Tech games than any other regular in here.  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2007, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 01:55:28 PM
I know where they live.
Joking or not, that may be a TOS violation although as the self-proclaimed TOS Queen, you would probably the one do interpret that rule.
Well, that's a good question, since I did recently pretty much recently harass and threaten David over a period of, what weeks? until he gave me his address. :D (I should state for the many people who wouldn't know otherwise, that it was only to mail him a Christmas present I didn't get to give him at the Wooster Tourney since I went to NYC to watch Wheaton instead!)  :-X

I do love me the terms of service. I think they're a quality piece of literature. I think the terms of service would suggest that it's only bad if my "stalking" is undesired. For example, he will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but Sac seemed in favor of a young hot female stalker who was attracted to his HOFerness... if there are any interested young ladies out there.  :D

And I was serious, but I only know because I've met them and they've told me.... though I don't technically have addresses for all of them, and I don't even remember what towns they're in they so I would have to do quite a but of research before I could watch them from outside the window or anything....

ugh, this conversation is resurfacing those creepy feelings I used to have leaving work when things with my stalker were getting really bad... blah... new subject!  :-\

Quote from: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
Plus, I'll bet I've seen more Cal Tech games than any other regular in here.  :P
Speaking of which, I'm going to be heading out to Redlands-CalTech tonight. That will be Cal Tech game #3, at least. What were you at when you left? I'd wager I'll eventually surpass you. Unfortunately, I didn't see the Cal Tech game that really counted so who cares? ..... But then again, neither did you! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
Now, the Big Red are no Eastern Nazarene,

You're right about that.  My brother's in school there now and he says there's 15 guys (him included, although he won't admit it) playing intramurals who could make the team over half the current varsity roster.  If it weren't for Luc Jasmin in the middle, he says there's three full intramural squads who could easily beat the varsity.

I'm happy though.  I mean they're never going to be competitive on a national level, so you might as well be outrageously bad, right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2007, 02:31:32 PM
I'm happy though.  I mean they're never going to be competitive on a national level, so you might as well be outrageously bad, right?
All you need now is a website!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 02:40:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2007, 02:35:50 PM
Hmmm, by how many points will UOR win? I'll put the over/under at 65.
I'm pretty sure they have a shot to win by more than that. But it's too absurd of a game to pass up... most of the other competition tonight is pretty lackluster anyways, wouldn't you agree? I still might go to CMS-CLU, but it's a pretty huge hike for a weeknight when you factor in LA traffic.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 02:49:23 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2007, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
Now, the Big Red are no Eastern Nazarene,

You're right about that.  My brother's in school there now and he says there's 15 guys (him included, although he won't admit it) playing intramurals who could make the team over half the current varsity roster.  If it weren't for Luc Jasmin in the middle, he says there's three full intramural squads who could easily beat the varsity.

Ah.  I had to Google the name "Luc Jasmin" to realize you were talking about E. Naz. and not Denison.  I don't doubt that there are intramural teams that could beat DU as well, were it not for their center, Dan Hodgkinson.

Quote from: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
Plus, I'll bet I've seen more Cal Tech games than any other regular in here.  :P
Speaking of which, I'm going to be heading out to Redlands-CalTech tonight. That will be Cal Tech game #3, at least. What were you at when you left? I'd wager I'll eventually surpass you. Unfortunately, I didn't see the Cal Tech game that really counted so who cares? ..... But then again, neither did you! :P

I'm sure you'll pass me, or at least I hope you do, as I firmly believe that Cal Tech deserves the fan support.  I'm not sure how many Beaver games I made it to--they all tend to run together in my mind, all with similar outcomes--but it was no more than 4 or 5, at one of which (perhaps vs. PSU-Behrend?) I had the pleasure of your company.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on January 31, 2007, 02:55:24 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 02:49:23 PM
I'm sure you'll pass me, or at least I hope you do, as I firmly believe that Cal Tech deserves the fan support.  I'm not sure how many Beaver games I made it to--they all tend to run together in my mind, all with similar outcomes--but it was no more than 4 or 5, at one of which (perhaps vs. PSU-Behrend?) I had the pleasure of your company.
I think we actually watched Penn State Behrend play Puget Sound at Cal Tech... correct me if I'm wrong but we missed most of the Cal Tech conso game because of dinner? However, we did watch Cal Tech against Oxy the night you finished the bar, I believe. ??? All the seasons and games are already starting to run together though, which is scary given the fact that my brain and memory should theoretically have relatively little to remember at this point in time in my life than it will later.  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 31, 2007, 03:13:39 PM
DC - There are a whole slew of horrible teams between Denison and those dregs. Denison is a mighty 337 in my rankings, ahead of Oberlin, even!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2007, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2007, 03:14:06 PM
...
Seeing that Redlands is playing well right now, and that this is Gary Smith's last season, and knowing how much UOR covets their team scoring records (if you've been to Currier Gym you know what I mean), I'm interested to see if Redlands tries to run it way, way up on CIT and let Lincoln off the hook.

OxyBob

Then the "Safety School" from the crowd chant would have new significance.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: TeeDub on January 31, 2007, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2007, 03:14:06 PM
dhf:

I know why you're going to the Caltech-Redlands game. You're quietly one of those rubberneckers who likes to see carnage on the highway, lots of broken glass, twisted metal and blood.

Seeing that Redlands is playing well right now, and that this is Gary Smith's last season, and knowing how much UOR covets their team scoring records (if you've been to Currier Gym you know what I mean), I'm interested to see if Redlands tries to run it way, way up on CIT and let Lincoln off the hook.

OxyBob

Caltech is no OSU-Marion, and fortunately, Redlands is no Lincoln.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 31, 2007, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2007, 03:14:06 PM
dhf:

I know why you're going to the Caltech-Redlands game. You're quietly one of those rubberneckers who likes to see carnage on the highway, lots of broken glass, twisted metal and blood.

Seeing that Redlands is playing well right now, and that this is Gary Smith's last season, and knowing how much UOR covets their team scoring records (if you've been to Currier Gym you know what I mean), I'm interested to see if Redlands tries to run it way, way up on CIT and let Lincoln off the hook.

OxyBob

Caltech is no OSU-Marion, and fortunately, Redlands is no Lincoln.

...and Dan Quayle is no Jack Kennedy.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2007, 08:56:57 AM
MC goes down.  Green Mountain had an unreported score versus Vermont Tech, but they're not d3 so it won't affect anything.

Updated as of 2/2/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (21-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 1 )
Lake Erie (19-1, loss to d2 Findlay)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-17, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-14, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-19)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2007, 08:57:42 AM

By the way, ENC had three new names mysteriously appear on the roster for last night's game, one of them scoring 16 points.  It appears Coach Yeh has successfully recruited some guys off the intramural squads.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 09:19:53 AM
Symmetry no longer in effect. The world is out of balance...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 02, 2007, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 09:19:53 AM
Symmetry no longer in effect. The world is out of balance...
I'm sure Green Mountain and Crown will try to Feng Shui the board for you as soon as possible.  :P ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 01:05:43 PM
Let's hope. Also, my MySpace friend list is a prime number, too. That's not right.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 02, 2007, 01:09:23 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 01:05:43 PM
Let's hope. Also, my MySpace friend list is a prime number, too. That's not right.
You could always add me.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 01:10:31 PM
Well, OK then. If I can find you! "Smed" is my name (der).

Back to the action: Green Mountain lost 78-66 to Vermont Tech.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2007, 01:13:34 PM

MC goes down.

Updated as of 2/2/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (21-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 1 )
Lake Erie (19-1, loss to d2 Findlay)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-17, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-15, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-19)


*Signifies a provisional school
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 02, 2007, 01:23:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 01:10:31 PM
Well, OK then. If I can find you! "Smed" is my name (der).
You'll know you've found my page by the billion Wheaton Thunder Logos that now make up my background... I couldn't resist the random urge last night to Wheaton up my page. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 01:26:31 PM
Let's see how they shake out.

Amherst has three games left, and the only one where they could be in danger is the road trip to Trinity.

Lake Erie could (could) stumble on the road at Pitt-Bradford, but it's unlikely. They do have to play PSU - Behrend again at home.

On the other side:

Crown has a couple of games where they could sneak out a win. They travel to Minnesota Morris and host Northland. But that's not likely.

Green Mountain has that epic battle with Maine - Presque Isle on the horizon, plus perhaps winnable games against Morrisville State, Mt. St. Vincent, and Mitchell.

Alas poor Eastern Nazarene - i can't see them winning any of their remaining games.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2007, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 01:26:31 PM
Alas poor Eastern Nazarene - i can't see them winning any of their remaining games.

Colby-Sawyer (tomorrow's opponent) has a history of dropping one game to an awful team late in the year.  However, I'm not sure Feb 3rd is quite late enough.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2007, 08:48:31 AM

No change, although ENC got within 6 points of Colby-Sawyer at home.

Updated as of 2/5/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (23-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 1 )
Lake Erie (20-1, loss to d2 Findlay)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-19, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-17, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-20)


* Signifies a provisional school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 06, 2007, 06:21:43 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 02, 2007, 01:23:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 02, 2007, 01:10:31 PM
Well, OK then. If I can find you! "Smed" is my name (der).
You'll know you've found my page by the billion Wheaton Thunder Logos that now make up my background... I couldn't resist the random urge last night to Wheaton up my page. :D

Good gravy, now she's turned it into a verb. ::)

:D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2007, 08:38:36 AM

Updated as of 2/6/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (23-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 1 )
Lake Erie (20-1, loss to d2 Findlay)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-19, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-17, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-20)


* Signifies a provisional school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2007, 08:37:49 AM

Updated as of 2/7/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (23-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 1 )
Lake Erie (20-1, loss to d2 Findlay)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-19, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (1-18, win over NAIA Paul Smith's)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-21)


* Signifies a provisional school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2007, 08:38:06 AM

Updated as of 2/7/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (23-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 1 )
Lake Erie (21-1, loss to d2 Findlay)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-19, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (2-17, wins over NAIA Paul Smith's and barely a college Word of Life)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-21)


* Signifies a provisional school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 08, 2007, 09:06:49 AM
"Barely A College".... :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2007, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 08, 2007, 09:06:49 AM
"Barely A College".... :D

Check out their website (http://www.wol.org/biblei/).  It's scary.  They also have no mention of athletics anywhere.

The campus is a converted campground on Schroon Lake in upstate New York.  The "dorms" are all just cabins.  Props to them for doing with what they've got, but still, I think my label stands.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gray Fox on February 08, 2007, 05:37:18 PM
Is it a varsity team or a club team?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 08, 2007, 06:19:14 PM
I think it's varsity. They did beat Green Mountain last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2007, 06:14:16 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 08, 2007, 09:06:49 AM
"Barely A College".... :D

That's the bad pun that the fans of Berea College's NAIA rivals use to refer to Berea.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2007, 09:08:48 AM

Green Mountain got smoked by Mt. St. Vincent, unless of course, they posted the score wrong again.


Updated as of 2/9/2007


Undefeated ( 1 )
Amherst (23-0)


Undefeated vs d3 ( 1 )
Lake Erie (21-1, loss to d2 Findlay)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-19, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (2-18, wins over NAIA Paul Smith's and barely a college Word of Life)


Winless ( 1 )
Eastern Nazarene (0-21)


* Signifies a provisional school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mrmike88 on February 11, 2007, 12:16:03 AM
Fitting that on the day that Amherst takes its first loss, ENC finally tastes victory.  Karma?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 02:10:34 AM
It was pity on our friend smed.... he already had to feng shui up his office when the list became slightly out of balance :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 11, 2007, 11:06:03 AM
Surprisingly with no mention - in one of the big WAD3 games of the year, barely non survivor and friend to this room Maine Presque Isle beats Green Mountain in OT 77-75!!!   Green Mountain still has Castleton, Morrisville and Mitchell on the schedule, each could be a possibility.

Also Crown FINISHES on the WAD3 list, unless all teams make the UMAC tourney and they score an upset for the ages win, losing to Northland by +20.  Crown has only non D3 NWMinn remaining on their schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on February 11, 2007, 11:46:21 AM
One of my favorites among the Posting Up boards...

Ya know, if you guys are bored now that the Amherst/ENU combo has come thru, you could always take a look at the women's side...whole bunch o' winless folks there...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 12, 2007, 08:34:14 AM
Ah, yes the feng shui is sort of working! We need to get Green Mountain a win!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 09:06:51 AM

Amherst goes down and ENC picks up the improbably victory thanks to FTs down the stretch.

Updated as of 2/12/2007


Undefeated ( 0 )


Undefeated vs d3 ( 1 )
Lake Erie (22-1, loss to d2 Findlay)


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-21, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (2-19, wins over NAIA Paul Smith's and barely a college Word of Life)


Winless ( 0 )


* Signifies a provisional school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 09:26:36 AM
Updated as of 2/15/2007


Undefeated ( 0 )


Undefeated vs d3 ( 0 )


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-21, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (2-20, wins over NAIA Paul Smith's and barely a college Word of Life)


Winless ( 0 )


* Signifies a provisional school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 09:27:54 AM

Since this has kind of become a lovable losers board, I've got a question.  Does anyone keep stats on biggest negative turnover margin while still losing a game?  Last night Colby-Sawyer committed just 8 turnovers to 25 by the University of New England and still lost the game.  That's a -17 and still a loss.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2007, 10:38:46 AM
I don't think so, but if you can't shoot better than 33 percent from the floor and get outrebounded by 14, you're lucky to have stayed in the game. If the U of NE had taken care of the ball they would have won by 20.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 10:40:48 AM

I've just never seen a discrepancy like that in a loss.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: TeeDub on February 14, 2007, 10:59:11 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2007, 10:38:46 AM
I don't think so, but if you can't shoot better than 33 percent from the floor and get outrebounded by 14, you're lucky to have stayed in the game.


That sounds like many nights in a 'System' based game...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2007, 11:12:39 AM
Hoops Fan - try this one:

http://wm.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/statistics/MBK0607/mbk04.htm
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2007, 11:12:39 AM
Hoops Fan - try this one:

http://wm.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/statistics/MBK0607/mbk04.htm

My point exactly, it takes a team that almost never holds the ball for more than 8 seconds (thus making a turnover very unlikely) to duplicate that feat.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
Colby Sawyer did jack up a lot of shots...so maybe they were gunning and pressing. I don't know their normal modus operandi.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2007, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
Colby Sawyer did jack up a lot of shots...so maybe they were gunning and pressing. I don't know their normal modus operandi.

They don't really have one.  They lost a whole class of seniors last year and few of the guys left have any experience.  They used to be known for a tight defense and a quick, efficient offense.  Now they kind of run a system type offense, but not on purpose.  They just let guys blow by them and try to score a bunch to catch up.  Very ugly ball.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2007, 12:07:04 AM
Lake Erie lost Wednesday night.  There are now no undefeateds of any variety.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2007, 08:34:33 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 14, 2007, 09:26:36 AM
Updated as of 2/15/2007


Undefeated ( 0 )


Undefeated vs d3 ( 0 )


Winless vs d3 ( 2 )
*Crown (1-21, win over NCCAA Trinity Bible)
*Green Mountain (2-20, wins over NAIA Paul Smith's and barely a college Word of Life)


Winless ( 0 )


* Signifies a provisional school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 15, 2007, 09:21:34 AM
Ah....and really everyone has won at least one game of some ilk...so there's balance. At least I say there is.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on February 15, 2007, 03:19:00 PM
Next best thing (well, not exactly)...unbeaten in conference play...counted 3 teams as of last nite...Husson, Salem State and Maryville (Tn)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2007, 03:21:31 PM

Maryville doesn't really count, do they?  There's only two other teams in their conference.


Husson is for real though, a solid mid-range team in an awful conference.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 15, 2007, 04:50:38 PM
Actually, the GSAC is a whoppin' four teamer. Woo-hoo... :-\

Salem State, I bet, can run the table there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2007, 05:11:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 15, 2007, 04:50:38 PM
Actually, the GSAC is a whoppin' four teamer. Woo-hoo...


Right, right.  I knew they booted Fisk, but I always forget Piedmont.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: wilburt on February 16, 2007, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 15, 2007, 05:11:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 15, 2007, 04:50:38 PM
Actually, the GSAC is a whoppin' four teamer. Woo-hoo...


Right, right.  I knew they booted Fisk, but I always forget Piedmont.


For the record, Fisk resigned from the GSAC before any vote on expulsion.
took place.   Since Fisk left the GSAC the GSAC is that Great Sorry A$$ Conference!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2007, 06:21:45 AM
Easy to miss amongst all the conference championships, but our 2 final WAD3 teams finished up their seasons as Co Champions of DIV 3  -  Winless against DIII  -  Crown got crushed in the UMAC tourney, Green Mountain loses close to Mitchell 64-60  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 23, 2007, 01:12:11 PM
So now that the real season has ended.....always fun.

Who's are frontrunners for next year.   :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2007, 02:06:51 PM
Brings out the question - if youre oh for the 06/07 season, is it better to have everyone coming back next year, or to have everyone graduating???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 23, 2007, 02:13:00 PM
How about graduating your best player, who led your team in scoring and rebounding.

You needed OT to beat Grace Bible
Your other two wins came against Kzoo and Olivet

I have Alma squarly in the crosshairs as a pre-seson bottom 10 candidate. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 23, 2007, 02:24:00 PM
Well, let's just take a gander at some contenders using the bottom of my power rankings.

Green Mountain - Only one junior. The rest are frosh and sophs. I think they could get a couple next year. They do play Mitchell. But, they are always a CONTENDER.

Principia - They graduate two seniors. Recruiting is always a challenge, but the SLIAC isn't that daunting.

Bard - Any team losing to Cal Tech is definitely a contender. But they only had one senior on the roster and he just played 10 games. And the NEAC has a lot of tomato cans.

Crown - They couldn't win a game in the UMAC. Uh-oh. They are only graduating one player, their second leading scorer and leading rebounder. CONTENDER.

D'Youville - Two seniors leave that started some games. The weakenss of the NEAC will lead to a couple of wins.

Mt. St. Vincent - Mostly freshmen on the roster with just two juniors. They always have Green Mountain on the schedule, right? Plus, Centenary is in their league.

Centenary - Two starters leave, but Alex Kuchar will be a junior and he himself could shoot them past a couple of teams.

Maine - Presque Isle - I think they have just one senior, and they play Green Mountain, too. But you never know, perhaps many of these Owls don't give a hoot. CONTENDER

Albertus Magnus (Pelkowski) - The dregs of the GNAC do face Danny Webster and had just one senior, a starter. That's not a daunting league, so they could win a game or three easily.

Maranatha Baptist - They didn't exactly jump into a cupcake league, though Concordia (Illinois version) and Rockford are weak. Will Rockford be around next year? They lose two starters, one full-time and one part-time starter. The funny thing is that they're the #3 seed in the NCCAA Midwest Regional. Now that's some quality. CONTENDER.

Eastern Nazarene - They didn't beat Anna Maria, but beat Wentworth and Bob Williams. They lose their leading scorer and one other senior starter. With Anna Maria around, there is always a chance, but I think they're a CONTENDER.

Becker - They have an honest to goodness proven coach, and the NAC has some cupcakes in Johnson State, Thomas, and Mount Ida. They may be better, in the long run, than that Ted Danson sitcom. No seniors.

Polytechnic - With Bard, D'Youville and Purchase around, I don't think they can't help winning a couple. But they lose five seniors. And the coach is named Laddy, so why not?

Cal Tech - Of course, they're always a CONTENDER. Two seniors graduate, and I need me a "QUANTUM HOOPS" t-shirt!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 23, 2007, 02:24:00 PM
Cal Tech - Of course, they're always a CONTENDER. Two seniors graduate, and I need me a "QUANTUM HOOPS" t-shirt!

Mine is on order. :)

Then again, my D3Hoops.com T-shirt has been on order for about 2 months now... [sends negative karma to Charlie Chitwood] >:(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2007, 06:09:49 PM
GET YOUR PICK IN FOR THE SURVIVOR TOURNEY POOL


Yeah, basically it amounts to who you think will win the tourney if you don't want to fill out the whole bracket, which of course, I encourage!

Please post your "winner" along with the total score of the final as a tie-breaker.

Enjoy and good luck.

All predictions must be made prior to tipoff on Thursday!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on February 26, 2007, 09:00:39 PM
What do you mean by total score...?  The team's total amt of points, or the total from the National Championship?

I'll take Point and 162
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 26, 2007, 09:11:49 PM
Wooster - 179.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2007, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on February 26, 2007, 09:00:39 PM
What do you mean by total score...?  The team's total amt of points, or the total from the National Championship?

I'll take Point and 162

The team's total amt of points? Uh?  As in the winning team?  No...

Grinnell 145
Redlands 132

Total is 277

Take the TOTAL of the two teams playing in the championship game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on February 26, 2007, 09:31:30 PM
I meant the team's total amount of points for the entire tournament... 87, 68, 68, 45, 76 =
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2007, 09:55:06 AM

Mississippi College - 162.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on February 27, 2007, 11:32:41 PM
"Bard - Any team losing to Cal Tech is definitely a contender. But they only had one senior on the roster and he just played 10 games. And the NEAC has a lot of tomato cans."

They also missed their two best scorers for most of second semester, their best frosh played through a severe foot injury he's getting surgically corrected in the offseason, and their best rebounder played through serious injury as well. We'll have to see how Bard adapts to the Skyline, but there's reason to be far more optimistic about 07-08 than 06-07.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on February 28, 2007, 08:54:24 PM
Augustana - 159

Just for fun :)

Quote from: Raptormania! on February 27, 2007, 11:32:41 PM
"Bard - Any team losing to Cal Tech is definitely a contender. But they only had one senior on the roster and he just played 10 games. And the NEAC has a lot of tomato cans."
Thats odd, according to the World Famous www.raptormania.com website, Bard was not selected...  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2007, 09:49:37 PM
April,

You beat me to it!

But I'll take Augie and 138.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 28, 2007, 10:35:00 PM
Guys and Dolls - Raptormania, I think, was responding to my post regarding the contenders to go O-fer next year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2007, 10:40:12 PM
CURRENT PAGE


GET YOUR PICK IN FOR THE SURVIVOR TOURNEY POOL


Yeah, basically it amounts to who you think will win the tourney if you don't want to fill out the whole bracket, which of course, I encourage!

Please post your "winner" along with the total score of the final as a tie-breaker.

Enjoy and good luck.

All predictions must be made prior to tipoff on Thursday!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on February 28, 2007, 10:50:42 PM
"Guys and Dolls - Raptormania, I think, was responding to my post regarding the contenders to go O-fer next year."

I was. But there are people who thought Bard would never win the HVMAC, never even get into the Skyline Conference. Will I be surprised if Bard wins the NCAA tournament this year? Sure. Shocked? Not at all. The Raptors routinely accomplish the improbable.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 01, 2007, 12:17:14 AM
Wooster, 168 points
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2007, 07:16:14 AM
Quote from: Raptormania! on February 28, 2007, 10:50:42 PMWill I be surprised if Bard wins the NCAA tournament this year? Sure. Shocked? Not at all. The Raptors routinely accomplish the improbable.

That'll be the day I go back to Annandale.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on March 01, 2007, 09:02:19 AM
Sager - why don't you throw out your gold teeth. Do you see how they roll?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Raptormania! on March 01, 2007, 09:16:22 AM
"That'll be the day I go back to Annandale."

I'll see you there! I hope for your sake you get there before the championship- but I understand if you're customarily the last one aboard a bandwagon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pufin on March 01, 2007, 09:38:50 AM
Wooster - 156 points
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2007, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on March 01, 2007, 09:02:19 AM
Sager - why don't you throw out your gold teeth. Do you see how they roll?

I ain't never gonna do it without my fez on.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 01, 2007, 04:57:16 PM
Oh, what the heck

Hope

166
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 01, 2007, 04:59:08 PM
Homer...

Point 168
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2007, 08:59:33 AM

Well at least my pick wasn't as bad as April's.  That's some consolation.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 10:07:48 AM
LOL.... my pick was a joke/wishful thinking! I didn't pick augie in the pickems to go anywhere near the final four and I didn't pick them as being in the final four in the final four room :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2007, 02:29:40 PM
Not many posters, oh well, makes my job easier!



   Poster      Team      Points   
   Point Special      Stevens Point      162   
   smedindy      Wooster      179   
   Hoops Fan      Mississippi College      162   
   diehardfan      Augustana      159   
   Mr. Ypsi      Augustana      138   
   Scotsbrod      Wooster      168   
   pufin      Wooster      156   
   Dutch Fan      Hope      166   
   Old School      Stevens Point      168   
   Ralph Turner   Mississippi College   116
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 06:49:01 PM
Old school, I picked Miss College and 116 points in the Pick'em.  Is that good enough as a late entry?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 06:49:01 PM
Old school, I picked Miss College and 116 points in the Pick'em.  Is that good enough as a late entry?
Do your friends on the ASC board that think you hate their team know that you picked them to go all the way? :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 07:26:25 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 06:49:01 PM
Old school, I picked Miss College and 116 points in the Pick'em.  Is that good enough as a late entry?
Do your friends on the ASC board that think you hate their team know that you picked them to go all the way? :D
:D

They are insanely jealous of McMurry.  I cannot think of any other explanation for that reaction!   ;D :D ;D ;) 8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2007, 12:32:38 AM
Wanted to get this on the 1st page so no one forgets!  A week to get your picks in!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2007, 01:04:31 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 10, 2007, 12:32:38 AM
Wanted to get this on the 1st page so no one forgets!  A week to get your picks in!

As I recall, this is an extremely complex contest - could you review the rules for us? :D

I haven't even checked schedules, but I'll take Amherst - if memory serves, they generally face a whole case of tomato cans prior to January. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 10, 2007, 08:56:45 AM
i will take hope colledge
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2007, 04:05:42 PM

I always go on a limb;  let's try Brockport this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2007, 04:09:38 PM
Gonna be a homer!

We go to Mississippi College on Dec 19th.

McMurry Men and Women!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 10, 2007, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2007, 01:04:31 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 10, 2007, 12:32:38 AM
Wanted to get this on the 1st page so no one forgets!  A week to get your picks in!

As I recall, this is an extremely complex contest - could you review the rules for us? :D

I haven't even checked schedules, but I'll take Amherst - if memory serves, they generally face a whole case of tomato cans prior to January. ;)

I think the defending champion of this competition should get first pick.  In which case I take Amherst.

You may all pick now thank you.  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2007, 11:11:44 PM
Sorry, sac, you snooze, you lose! ;D

But if Amherst DOES win, you can be first runner-up!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 10, 2007, 11:13:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 10, 2007, 04:05:42 PM

I always go on a limb;  let's try Brockport this year.

That is quite a limb!  I like it!  Let's hope it's true... 

If I were part of this I would have probably taken that just because they are my team..haha. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2007, 12:26:49 AM
Quote from: pg04 on November 10, 2007, 11:13:52 PM
If I were part of this I would have probably taken that just because they are my team..haha. 

Why can't you be a part of it?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 11, 2007, 07:44:37 AM
Well, my general lack of knowledge could be exposed  ;D.  Perhaps I'll come up with a team before the week is out...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: bports on November 11, 2007, 10:31:24 AM
Brockport is without 2 starters for the first 5 games, including all american pg sherrod harris.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 11, 2007, 12:45:15 PM
I'll try my "reverse curse" again and pick Calvin   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2007, 03:06:40 PM
Rochester. Good team in a bad region. The Yellowjackets could be undefeated going into their Jan. 20 home game against Brandeis.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 11, 2007, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: bports on November 11, 2007, 10:31:24 AM
Brockport is without 2 starters for the first 5 games, including all american pg sherrod harris.

Oh well, let's hope they can survive.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2007, 03:16:53 PM
Aurora, even without Mike Leonard for the first semester.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 12, 2007, 10:04:50 AM
Let's go for Wooster...why not?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on November 12, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
Washington University. Going out on a limb there, I know.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 12, 2007, 03:42:47 PM
My selection is Plattsburgh St., which should be good news for fans of the Greensboro Pride.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 12, 2007, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2007, 03:06:40 PM
Rochester. Good team in a bad region. The Yellowjackets could be undefeated going into their Jan. 20 home game against Brandeis.

I don' t think April would like your pick, Greg.  >:( :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: cardinalpride on November 13, 2007, 01:50:44 AM
Well, I'll give it a shot and go with the The College of Wooster!  Go Scots!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2007, 02:36:29 AM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on November 12, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
Washington University. Going out on a limb there, I know.

It's at least a little bit of a limb, DCHN. The Bears have to play preseason #5 Augustana on November 24, and then face a pretty solid UW-Platteville team the next night, so there's at least a reasonable chance that you'll be out of this contest by the time December rolls around.

See? You're braver than you thought. ;)

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 12, 2007, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2007, 03:06:40 PM
Rochester. Good team in a bad region. The Yellowjackets could be undefeated going into their Jan. 20 home game against Brandeis.

I don' t think April would like your pick, Greg.  >:( :D

Yes, and April would be the first to tell you that the things I prefer that she doesn't like are legion. ;) :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on November 13, 2007, 11:28:26 AM
I'd like to play.  I choose the Rhode Island College Anchormen.



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 13, 2007, 11:40:46 AM
I am going to be a real (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fpearly1900%2Fhomer%2Fhomer-braincolor1.jpg&hash=01961a657ddf5a25a1b9d01d7423f87ab9164074) on this one.  NJCU
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on November 13, 2007, 02:05:00 PM
I'll take Williams ...

Hey bport, why are S. Harris and another player out for the first five games? 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 13, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2007, 02:36:29 AM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on November 12, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
Washington University. Going out on a limb there, I know.

It's at least a little bit of a limb, DCHN. The Bears have to play preseason #5 Augustana on November 24, and then face a pretty solid UW-Platteville team the next night, so there's at least a reasonable chance that you'll be out of this contest by the time December rolls around.

See? You're braver than you thought. ;)

Washington will also most likely play @#17 Calvin on Saturday
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 13, 2007, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on November 13, 2007, 02:05:00 PM
Hey bport, why are S. Harris and another player out for the first five games? 

I can't answer as to the other player, but Harris is sitting out the fall semester because he has only one semester of eligibility remaining.  http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=1835
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2007, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 13, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
will also most likely

lol.  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2007, 04:07:52 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 13, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2007, 02:36:29 AM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on November 12, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
Washington University. Going out on a limb there, I know.

It's at least a little bit of a limb, DCHN. The Bears have to play preseason #5 Augustana on November 24, and then face a pretty solid UW-Platteville team the next night, so there's at least a reasonable chance that you'll be out of this contest by the time December rolls around.

See? You're braver than you thought. ;)

Washington will also most likely play @#17 Calvin on Saturday

That occurred to me as well after I'd posted about Augie and UWP, and I should also add that to get to Calvin on Saturday the Bears will first have to polish off a pretty decent Ohio Northern team on Friday.

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 13, 2007, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 13, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
will also most likely

lol.  :D

Slappy's apparently holding out a tiny bit in the event that Grace Bible somehow pulls an Appalachian State against Calvin on Friday night. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 14, 2007, 10:34:19 AM
I was also thinking about the Kentucky v. Gardner Webb game when I posted that.  I would expect Washington to handle Ohio Northern and Calvin to destroy Grace but stranger things have happened.

The post was actually more about the Washington v. Ohio Northern game not the Calvin v. Grace game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 14, 2007, 11:38:11 PM
I guess I'll go with Amherst
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2007, 02:25:57 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 14, 2007, 10:34:19 AM
I was also thinking about the Kentucky v. Gardner Webb game when I posted that.

Of course you were. But it's more fun to use "pulls an Appalachian State" than "pulls a Gardner-Webb" when you're trying to tweak a Michigander. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 16, 2007, 10:12:33 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 13, 2007, 11:40:46 AM
I am going to be a real (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fpearly1900%2Fhomer%2Fhomer-braincolor1.jpg&hash=01961a657ddf5a25a1b9d01d7423f87ab9164074) on this one.  NJCU

Well I'm out.  NJCU loses in the opening round of the Scotty Wood tournament at Muhlenberg today.  I should have known better, they never win the opening games of a tip off tournament.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2007, 12:18:08 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 11, 2007, 03:16:53 PM
Aurora, even without Mike Leonard for the first semester.

Ummm...that was fun.  I'll post the weekend's results Monday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2007, 03:39:48 PM
I'll update the survivor table sometime this week.  I have games tonight (in Point), Tuesday (Carroll College) and possibly Wednesday (Oshkosh's opener at St. Norb's). 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2007, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 19, 2007, 03:39:48 PM
I'll update the survivor table sometime this week.  I have games tonight (in Point), Tuesday (Carroll College) and possibly Wednesday (Oshkosh's opener at St. Norb's). 

It's ok; half of us have lost already because we tried to live on the edge and not pick Amherst.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2007, 12:13:28 PM


I know we don't start counting undefeated and only-defeateds until January, but I'd like to point out that Eastern Nazarene already has a win.  Thank God Mitchell thought they were bad enough to schedule!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2007, 02:00:01 PM
Noted and thought of you, Hoops  -  they were a mainstay on the winless list last year as I remember.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2007, 12:13:17 PM
I think I got everyone here.  Disappointing showing this year, not too many joined.

ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin

Still Alive

Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Greg Sager - Rochester U
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
unbearable - Rhode Island College
nescac1 - Williams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on November 24, 2007, 10:06:46 PM
Not to be a downer, but taking Wash U or any UAA school for that matter just is not a good choice strategically. Their schedules are just too difficult to go undefeated, especially with the home and home format.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 25, 2007, 10:29:00 PM
Frankly, I think picking a NESCAC school seems to be the way to go, since some of them aren't really taxed until the conference season, and then with only single round robin...etc...etc...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on November 25, 2007, 10:40:52 PM
Normally I would agree, but it seems like New England as a region is pretty tough this year, so might not be too wise.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2007, 10:42:47 PM
Farewell, Smedindy and Cardinal Pride: Lake Erie 86, Wooster 84.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2007, 01:34:20 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on November 25, 2007, 10:40:52 PM
Normally I would agree, but it seems like New England as a region is pretty tough this year, so might not be too wise.

Upon what basis are you saying that the Northeast Region is tough this season? In other words, to which inter-regional games are you pointing that lead you to believe that the Northeast Region is better than it usually is?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: cardinalpride on November 26, 2007, 01:43:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2007, 10:42:47 PM
Farewell, Smedindy and Cardinal Pride: Lake Erie 86, Wooster 84.
I thought I would at least make it into December with Wooster.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2007, 06:18:20 AM
ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster

Still Alive

Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Greg Sager - Rochester U
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
unbearable - Rhode Island College
nescac1 - Williams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 26, 2007, 08:34:54 AM
2 weeks in and we're at 50% - yikes! (at least for those of us that were wrong)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2007, 09:12:27 PM
I have unbearable news for RIC fans...they lost tonight at Fitchburg St., 64-62.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 27, 2007, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 27, 2007, 09:12:27 PM
I have unbearable news for RIC fans...they lost tonight at Fitchburg St., 64-62.

funny, this morning I was thinking that was probably a really good pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2007, 09:49:51 PM
Quote from: sac on November 27, 2007, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 27, 2007, 09:12:27 PM
I have unbearable news for RIC fans...they lost tonight at Fitchburg St., 64-62.

funny, this morning I was thinking that was probably a really good pick.

Yeah, that's probably what did them in.  ;)

Amherst, Williams, and Plattsburgh St. have all won tonight; still waiting on McMurry at ETBU.  (Rochester has the night off.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2007, 10:29:02 PM
ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster
unbearable - Rhode Island College

Still Alive

Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Greg Sager - Rochester U
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
nescac1 - Williams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2007, 10:39:35 PM

New rule next year: no picking Amherst.  I know it's probably the right pick, but it's no fun.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2007, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 27, 2007, 10:39:35 PM

New rule next year: no picking Amherst.  I know it's probably the right pick, but it's no fun.

I didn't even check, but with their traditional early-season schedule, they are always tempting!  But with Olson graduating, I doubt I'll pick them next year.  (I'm surprised no one picked Guilford - Ben Strong plus a light early schedule ... ?)

And, just in case Amherst DOES prevail, I trust sac and Point Special will concede that I picked 'em first - you snooze, you lose! :o ;D  (Of course, if they flame out, I disavow any knowledge of that pick.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on November 28, 2007, 11:36:23 AM
Darn, darn, darn....

I was either going to pick RIC or Keene State and I picked the wrong one!


The truth of the matter is an old Potsdam guy like me just can't "bear" the thought of typing Plattsb.... (see, I can't do it)  in a contest like this one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: abominable_snowman on November 28, 2007, 02:44:32 PM
Old School-

Any thoughts on starting up a Pool B if you current survivor pool drops below say 4 people before Xmas?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2007, 03:46:41 PM
Losers bracket, second chance etc...sure.  We don't even need a definite number to drop below. 

SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL!!!



DEADLINE IS FRIDAY, NOV. 30TH BEFORE TIP OFF!  :D ;) ;D

For those still alive in the original pool, you may also pick a second chance team at this time.

EDIT:  YOU MAY NOT TAKE A TEAM THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SELECTED IN THE ORIGINAL POOL

Amherst
McMurry
Rochester
Plattsburgh St.
Williams


It's just for fun anyway, so why not??!!

HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET MORE POSTERS IN ON THIS ONE!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 28, 2007, 03:57:50 PM
When I took Plattsburgh St. in the original pool, it was as a result of a coin flip with Guilford.  So the Quakers would be my choice for the second chance pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2007, 04:02:56 PM

Can I take Amherst now?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2007, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 28, 2007, 04:02:56 PM
Can I take Amherst now?

NO.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 28, 2007, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 28, 2007, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 28, 2007, 04:02:56 PM
Can I take Amherst now?

NO.

Oh, ok.  I'll take Amherst, then.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2007, 04:13:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 28, 2007, 04:02:56 PM
Can I take Amherst now?

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 28, 2007, 04:08:37 PM

NO.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 28, 2007, 04:09:38 PM
Oh, ok.  I'll take Amherst, then.

UH?  What part of N-O don't you understand?! lol  ??? ;D :D ;) :P ::)

Or as you saying, THEN, as opposed to NOW? lol (Ithink that's supposed to be a joke)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 28, 2007, 04:16:10 PM
Honestly, I considered picking UWSP...  but Point's early season schedule included Northern Michigan, and though the game was in Point (and I knew of NMU's players who graduated), it still is a game against a DII team that, from all accounts, took it to Point physically last year, and Point's only real banger was also lost to graduation.  This, plus the fact that NMU knocked Point of of the Survivor pool last year too.

I also knew that Point could have early tests in Carroll (Sweet 16 last year) and would have to travel to Whitewater (Since the '96-'97 season, Point and WW have each won 14 games apiece in the series).  Last year, Point swept, the year before, WW swept, and each of the previous 4(?) seasons, UWSP and UWW have split.  I still think Point's going to win this one... but it's a risk I wasn't willing to take!

Also, in 4 of the last 7 years, Whitewater has given Point their first loss of the year.

... On that note, for my second pick, I'll take UWSP!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 28, 2007, 04:59:25 PM
i will tape stevens  ok
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: abominable_snowman on November 28, 2007, 05:35:56 PM
I'll go with Ben Strong...  I mean, Guilford.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on November 28, 2007, 06:45:28 PM
I'm in for a second try with Coast Guard.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2007, 06:55:28 PM
In my 10:47 post last night, I (tongue-in-cheek) reminded sac and Point Special that I had 'first dibs' on Amherst.  In that same post I expressed surprise that no one had selected Guilford.  Therefore, when I now select Guilford as my second team, David and abominable can call me a 'johnny-come-lately' only due to the technicality that there was no second chance tourney at the time! ;) ;D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 28, 2007, 09:05:44 PM
Puget Sound
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 28, 2007, 09:17:59 PM
I'll take - hmmmm - Augustana
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 28, 2007, 10:18:15 PM
Calvin - I always think they are going to win 'em all anyway so I might as well pick them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HopeConvert on November 28, 2007, 10:21:25 PM
Can I take Virginia Wesleyan?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 28, 2007, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2007, 06:55:28 PM
In my 10:47 post last night, I (tongue-in-cheek) reminded sac and Point Special that I had 'first dibs' on Amherst.  In that same post I expressed surprise that no one had selected Guilford.  Therefore, when I now select Guilford as my second team, David and abominable can call me a 'johnny-come-lately' only due to the technicality that there was no second chance tourney at the time! ;) ;D



You're right, Chuck, you deserve to pick Guilford.  It was wrong of me to jump in and take them ahead of you (and abominable snowman).  I'll defer to your wisdom and see if I can find another team to jinx, er, I mean, select.

quietly backs out of the room...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 28, 2007, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 28, 2007, 09:17:59 PM
I'll take - hmmmm - Augustana

OOPS...  La Crosse happened, sorry FDF
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2007, 11:31:14 PM
David (and all), kindly disregard my post of 6:55 today.  That must have been my doppelganger sneaking on to my computer.

The above has nothing to do with tonight's score in Greensboro: Greensboro 71, Guilford 66. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2007, 11:38:46 PM
As PointSpecial already hinted: UW-LaX 66, Augie 64.

This has got to be a new record: 9 picks for second try, 4 posters dead within 6 hours! ;D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 28, 2007, 11:44:53 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 28, 2007, 10:18:15 PM
Calvin - I always think they are going to win 'em all anyway so I might as well pick them.

I think you lost before you hit enter. :D ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 29, 2007, 02:40:26 AM
Some of the unbeatens are dropping like flies!

I have to go with my home team of Puget Sound...so far they are 5-0.
Does this take into account all games or just d3 ones?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2007, 04:11:12 AM
Since Tom was nice enough to give those of us still alive in the survivor pool dispensation to pick another team, I'll pick DePauw for the loser's-bracket survivor pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on November 29, 2007, 10:16:59 AM
Had I known about this earlier I think I would have taken Virginia Wesleyan simply due to location, but now with the Guilford loss this seems like an even smarter choice.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 29, 2007, 10:37:03 AM
I am going with Coast Guard for pick two.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on November 29, 2007, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: sac on November 28, 2007, 09:05:44 PM
Puget Sound

I was going to take Puget Sound as my second pick and then I started scrolling through other second picks and see that sac beat me to it. (I want to note if this ends up being correct I am saying today this is a perfect pick! If its wrong, I disavow all knowledge of the West Region).

However, in an effort not to appear as if I am coattailing on the sage wisdom of sac I will choose Mary Hardin-Baylor for my second pick. (Note my pick came down to choosing the winner of who I think will win the MHB - Mississippi College match-up for this weekend so I will be very upset if I chose wrong for this weekend's game.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2007, 12:12:13 PM
Please!  Pick UMHB!  We need them to get as many losses as possible!

The Men's ASC tourney is on the West this year! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2007, 12:26:13 PM
ok guys - how about a winless contest - many times turns out to generate more fun than the undefeated..... 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 29, 2007, 02:00:38 PM
Another couple of intriguing picks might be Hope, who have their next 9 games at home, or Randolph-Macon, who has two winnable games this week and then is off until Dec. 29. 

...of course, I'm talking about the women's teams... ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 29, 2007, 03:51:58 PM
I'd take the Hope women's team in a heartbeat - no matter where they are playing. 

I'm willing to give them strong odds of finishing the year with two wins on their home floor as well.   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2007, 05:08:45 PM
Just done a bit of research in case the 'winless' pool idea takes hold:

Two obvious contenders would be Caltech and Gaulledet, but note that they play each other Dec 17th - better choose the right one!

If it was just vs. d3, Northland looks tempting, but they opened the season with a win over Northland Baptist Bible.

Perennial candidate Green Mountain is 3-1! :o  They keep that up and someone may pick them next year for the regular survivor pool! ;D

Guess I'll stick with old reliable UMPI.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2007, 06:30:09 PM
ypsi  watch out, on Jan 27, umpi plays our old friends from Unity, who've alreay lost to Maine Maritime by 38
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on November 29, 2007, 09:30:12 PM
My two favorites Centenary and Rutgers Camden, to lose have both won games already this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 29, 2007, 10:55:21 PM
Hold up, isn't the point of this second chance to pick another team that has not lost a game yet for the undefeated survivor..........or a team that has not won a game yet for the non-winners?

I'm sensing confusion and I don't think anyone wants to go back and check records and who won or lost when.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2007, 11:23:02 PM
Quote from: LogShow on November 29, 2007, 02:40:26 AM
Some of the unbeatens are dropping like flies!

I have to go with my home team of Puget Sound...so far they are 5-0.
Does this take into account all games or just d3 ones?

Any regular season game.

Quote from: sac on November 29, 2007, 10:55:21 PM
Hold up, isn't the point of this second chance to pick another team that has not lost a game yet for the undefeated survivor..........or a team that has not won a game yet for the non-winners?

I'm sensing confusion and I don't think anyone wants to go back and check records and who won or lost when.

The SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL is for anyone that wants to pick another team (or first team if you didn't play the first time) that hasn't lost yet and that hasn't already been picked by a poster still alive from the original survivor pool...got it?

We can have a suvivor pool that sees who is the last team to WIN a game as well... I don't care.

Got that all?

For the record, I was going to pick Puget Sound as well, but I'll find someone else.

I'll take Virginia Wesleyan...I don't think anyone took them from the original pool.

As for the LOSERS pool, I'll take Beloit to be the last team to win a game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 29, 2007, 11:26:57 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2007, 11:23:02 PM

I'll take Virginia Wesleyan...I don't think anyone took them from the original pool.

HopeConvert took them I think
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2007, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: sac on November 29, 2007, 11:26:57 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2007, 11:23:02 PM

I'll take Virginia Wesleyan...I don't think anyone took them from the original pool.

HopeConvert took them I think

I know....but not in the second chance pool.

btw, you still haven't picked your pick em league yet...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2007, 11:50:44 PM
I'M TAKING MISSISSIPPI COLLEGE INSTEAD, SINCE NO ONE HAS TAKEN THEM YET.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2007, 11:59:36 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 28, 2007, 10:18:15 PM
Calvin - I always think they are going to win 'em all anyway so I might as well pick them.

They lost on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2007, 02:28:27 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2007, 11:50:44 PM
I'M TAKING MISSISSIPPI COLLEGE INSTEAD, SINCE NO ONE HAS TAKEN THEM YET.
Mississippi College came from 16 points down in the first half against Concordia-Austin (pre-season 4th pick in the 8-team ASC-West) tonight to win 99-89.  It was a one possession game until the last 2 minutes.

Miss College plays at UMHB on Saturday!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: cardinalpride on November 30, 2007, 02:37:48 AM
I'll take my beloved North Central College!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 30, 2007, 03:03:32 AM
Even though I got home town love, Puget Sound has a challenging schedule.  They play Warner Pacific a NAIA school ranked in the top 5 and Cal State Stanislas, a D2, and the Edgewood at the end of december.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2007, 06:15:50 AM
Going into Tonight's games-

ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL

ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster
unbearable - Rhode Island College (Recently edited)

Still Alive

Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Greg Sager - Rochester U
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
nescac1 - Williams

SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL



   Poster      Team   
   Flying Dutch Fan      Augustana   
   knightSlappy      Calvin   
   David Collinge      Guilford   
   abominable snowman      Guilford   
   Mr. Ypsi      Guilford   
   unbearable      Coast Guard   
   Knightstalker      Coast Guard   
   Greg Sager      DePauw   
   DCHopeNut      Mary Hardin-Baylor   
   Old School      Mississippi College   
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   
   sac      Puget Sound   
   LogShow      Puget Sound   
   hope1      stevens   
   Point Special      UW-Stevens Point   
   HopeConvert      Virginia Wesleyan   
   ILive4This      Virginia Wesleyan   


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2007, 06:16:24 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2007, 02:28:27 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2007, 11:50:44 PM
I'M TAKING MISSISSIPPI COLLEGE INSTEAD, SINCE NO ONE HAS TAKEN THEM YET.
Mississippi College came from 16 points down in the first half against Concordia-Austin (pre-season 4th pick in the 8-team ASC-West) tonight to win 99-89.  It was a one possession game until the last 2 minutes.

Miss College plays at UMHB on Saturday!

Yikes!  Risky pick then.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on November 30, 2007, 09:45:56 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 30, 2007, 06:16:24 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2007, 02:28:27 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2007, 11:50:44 PM
I'M TAKING MISSISSIPPI COLLEGE INSTEAD, SINCE NO ONE HAS TAKEN THEM YET.
Mississippi College came from 16 points down in the first half against Concordia-Austin (pre-season 4th pick in the 8-team ASC-West) tonight to win 99-89.  It was a one possession game until the last 2 minutes.

Miss College plays at UMHB on Saturday!

Yikes!  Risky pick then.  ;D

Yea, someone else is out on Saturday night in what should be a good game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 30, 2007, 11:06:07 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 30, 2007, 06:15:50 AM
ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL

Still Alive
unbearable - Rhode Island College


Nope.  Fitchburg took care of the Anchormen a couple of nights ago.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2007, 03:30:56 PM
Forgot...edited.  Thanks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2007, 06:22:29 PM
Going into Tonight's games-

Apparently, Virginia Wesleyan lost.

ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL

ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster
unbearable - Rhode Island College (Recently edited)

Still Alive

Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Greg Sager - Rochester U
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
nescac1 - Williams

SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL



   Poster      Team   
   Flying Dutch Fan      Augustana   
   knightSlappy      Calvin   
   David Collinge      Guilford   
   abominable snowman      Guilford   
   Mr. Ypsi      Guilford   
   unbearable      Coast Guard   
   Knightstalker      Coast Guard   
   Greg Sager      DePauw   
   DCHopeNut      Mary Hardin-Baylor   
   Old School      Mississippi College   
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   
   sac      Puget Sound   
   LogShow      Puget Sound   
   hope1      stevens   
   Point Special      UW-Stevens Point   
   HopeConvert      Virginia Wesleyan   
   ILive4This      Virginia Wesleyan   

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
McMurry lost ugly, 60-63 at home, after beating ETBU on the road earlier today.

My second choice is UMHB.  McMurry will need some help now that UMHB has knocked off Miss College at home.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2007, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
McMurry lost ugly, 60-63 at home, after beating ETBU on the road earlier today.

So they lost at home after winning on the road earlier today? Uh?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 01, 2007, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 01, 2007, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
McMurry lost ugly, 60-63 at home, after beating ETBU on the road earlier today.

So they lost at home after winning on the road earlier today? Uh?

:D

Around here, we call that an "Amish sentence."  As in: Throw your father down the stairs his hat.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2007, 06:54:20 PM
I think I'm more lost.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 01, 2007, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 01, 2007, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
McMurry lost ugly, 60-63 at home, after beating ETBU on the road earlier today this week.

So they lost at home after winning on the road earlier today? Uh?

:D

Around here, we call that an "Amish sentence."  As in: Throw your father down the stairs his hat.
Honestly, it was that bad!  I am at a lost for words, at least recognizable sentence structure!  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on December 02, 2007, 01:02:58 AM
As the voice of coast guard, i'm just curious how the idea of picking them came about...

To the people who did...looks like you did good homework, in knowing that if they survive one more week, they're into early january, since they go home for xmas break and don't play (you stick with your pick, right?)

would be interesting to have contest rule that you can't pick a team in the top 25...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on December 02, 2007, 01:26:26 AM
and I should note with that said, CGA next opponent, Becker, is much improved from last season...and the team they play after that is Wentworth, which beat Coast Guard last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on December 02, 2007, 11:19:39 AM
To atnwriter:

As far as my thinking goes for the Survivor Pool, I do try to pick schools that do not play in holiday tournaments.  While I'm sure it is great fun for the teams involved, playing around Christmastime in warm weather spots (Las Vegas, Florida, Hawaii) after travelling great distances, plus going against unfamiliar competition from perhaps D-II or NAIA schools, doesn't give you the best chance of keeping a streak alive.  I figure if you don't play from mid-December until early January, you give everyone else a chance to lose while you can't, kind of like Ohio State in the BCS.

I also try to stay away from picking school in conferences that have similar institutions that tend to beat each other up, like the public universities in the WIAC, NJAC, SUNYAC, etc. 

I picked Rhode Island College last year because they beat D-1 Iona before the pool started and played in a relatively weak, top-heavy conference.  They dropped only one game, by 4 points, to Keene State prior to January 20th. I almost picked Keene this year, but saw that they had a holiday tournament with Calvin, Montclair St. and Salem St., so I picked RIC again.

Given those criteria, of the remaining unbeatens, Coast Guard seemed to be the best fit. 

As I joked earlier, I think the smart pick is Plattsburgh State. They are loaded.  I just can't pick them.  It would be like Coach K picking North Carolina.

Now I have to go get ready to be buried under snow and ice. Got to love upstate NY.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 02, 2007, 12:15:39 PM
I don't wish to embarrass myself again, nor give another team the kiss o' Smed. So I'm sitting out the second chance.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on December 04, 2007, 11:07:40 AM
I am fairly surprised no one has taken Rochester, I figure they should be good till atleast January.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 04, 2007, 11:47:32 AM
Quote from: unbearable on December 02, 2007, 11:19:39 AM
To atnwriter:

As far as my thinking goes for the Survivor Pool, I do try to pick schools that do not play in holiday tournaments.  While I'm sure it is great fun for the teams involved, playing around Christmastime in warm weather spots (Las Vegas, Florida, Hawaii) after travelling great distances, plus going against unfamiliar competition from perhaps D-II or NAIA schools, doesn't give you the best chance of keeping a streak alive.  I figure if you don't play from mid-December until early January, you give everyone else a chance to lose while you can't, kind of like Ohio State in the BCS.

I also try to stay away from picking school in conferences that have similar institutions that tend to beat each other up, like the public universities in the WIAC, NJAC, SUNYAC, etc. 

I picked Rhode Island College last year because they beat D-1 Iona before the pool started and played in a relatively weak, top-heavy conference.  They dropped only one game, by 4 points, to Keene State prior to January 20th. I almost picked Keene this year, but saw that they had a holiday tournament with Calvin, Montclair St. and Salem St., so I picked RIC again.

Given those criteria, of the remaining unbeatens, Coast Guard seemed to be the best fit. 

As I joked earlier, I think the smart pick is Plattsburgh State. They are loaded.  I just can't pick them.  It would be like Coach K picking North Carolina.

Now I have to go get ready to be buried under snow and ice. Got to love upstate NY.

I just guess.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 04, 2007, 01:34:38 PM
Puget Sound will hang with the Survivors for atleast a bit...their game tonight against Warner Pacific (NAIA) was canceled due to flooding
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 04, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
#1 v #3 Saturday  Amherst and Brandeis
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2007, 04:58:57 PM
ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL

ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster
unbearable - Rhode Island College (Recently edited)
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst

Still Alive

Greg Sager - Rochester U
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
nescac1 - Williams

SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL




   Poster      Team   
   Point Special      UW-Stevens Point   
   HopeConvert      Virginia Wesleyan   
   ILive4This      Virginia Wesleyan   
   Flying Dutch Fan      Augustana   
   knightSlappy      Calvin   
   David Collinge      Guilford   
   abominable snowman      Guilford   
   Mr. Ypsi      Guilford   
   Old School      Mississippi College   
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   
   Greg Sager      DePauw   
   unbearable      Coast Guard   
   Knightstalker      Coast Guard   
   DCHopeNut      Mary Hardin-Baylor   
   sac      Puget Sound   
   LogShow      Puget Sound   
   hope1      stevens   


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2007, 03:40:12 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on December 04, 2007, 11:07:40 AM
I am fairly surprised no one has taken Rochester, I figure they should be good till atleast January.

I've got the 'jackets. See the list that Tom has posted.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2007, 12:31:16 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 04, 2007, 04:58:57 PM
ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL
Still Alive

Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
Greg Sager - Rochester U
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
nescac1 - Williams


Woo hoo!  I've clinched a bronze medal!   ;D

Rochester has two games next week; Plattsburgh has the week off; and Williams has three weeks off.  In fact, Rochester will have played six more times before the Ephs next lace 'em up.  I'm liking nescac1's chances here.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on December 09, 2007, 10:23:57 AM
Those who picked Coast Guard are safe into January. Bears are 8-0 for first time since 1992-93 as they hit semester break.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 09, 2007, 02:46:52 PM
Puget Sound cruised by Cal State Stanislas last night to imporve their record to 6-0.  They are now idle for 20 days until they play Edgewood at the Westmont tournament.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2007, 04:30:16 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 09, 2007, 12:31:16 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 04, 2007, 04:58:57 PM
ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL
Still Alive

Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
Greg Sager - Rochester U
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
nescac1 - Williams


Woo hoo!  I've clinched a bronze medal!   ;D

Rochester has two games next week; Plattsburgh has the week off; and Williams has three weeks off.  In fact, Rochester will have played six more times before the Ephs next lace 'em up.  I'm liking nescac1's chances here.

Plattsburgh State has the week off, but it could be extended to two or three weeks if the next airdrop doesn't include dogfood and the huskies all die off, leaving the Cardinals with no sled teams to get them back to civilization for their next game. Meanwhile, the entire team has been on lockdown in the dorms ever since the latest polar bear sighting in downtown Plattsburgh brought with it three more mauling incidents. Probably just as well that the basketball team is on hiatus, as Coach Curle has threatened to set a player adrift on an ice floe in Lake Champlain after every loss this season.

As for Williams ... well, Chad, Biff, Chip, and the rest of the Ephs gang have all jetted down to Mimsy's mom's winter digs down in Palm Beach for a bit of bronzing during the break. Then it's off to Boston for the big squash tournament with the riffraff from Hah-vahd and the annual Beacon Hill New Year's Squash Cotillion before Coach Paulsen has the Ephs giving the ol' what-for at the peach baskets again.

Yes, folks, I have decided that what the Survivor Pool was really missing was a good bout of trash-talking. I await your U. of Rochester jokes at your earliest convenience. ;) :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 10, 2007, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2007, 04:30:16 AM
Yes, folks, I have decided that what the Survivor Pool was really missing was a good bout of trash-talking. I await your U. of Rochester jokes at your earliest convenience. ;) :D

Diehardfan....paging Diehardfan....please pick up the white courtesy phone....paging Diehardfan.... ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 10, 2007, 12:08:41 PM
Greg, kind of hard to hate on Rochester ... it's like hating on vanilla, or the Gap, or elevator music, or Everybody Loves Raymond ... perfectly boring and inoffensive in every way (hey, you started it ...)

Here's hoping the two NY teams go down in December, before the Ephs return from their hiatus ... and have to face games against Keen St. and at Amherst in early January. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 10, 2007, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 10, 2007, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2007, 04:30:16 AM
Yes, folks, I have decided that what the Survivor Pool was really missing was a good bout of trash-talking. I await your U. of Rochester jokes at your earliest convenience. ;) :D

Diehardfan....paging Diehardfan....please pick up the white courtesy phone....paging Diehardfan.... ;D

I said the "White" courtesy phone.   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 10, 2007, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 10, 2007, 12:08:41 PM
Greg, kind of hard to hate on Rochester ... it's like hating on vanilla, or the Gap, or elevator music, or Everybody Loves Raymond ... perfectly boring and inoffensive in every way (hey, you started it ...)

Here's hoping the two NY teams go down in December, before the Ephs return from their hiatus ... and have to face games against Keen St. and at Amherst in early January. 

I hate the Gap and Elevator musak.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 10, 2007, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 10, 2007, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 10, 2007, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2007, 04:30:16 AM
Yes, folks, I have decided that what the Survivor Pool was really missing was a good bout of trash-talking. I await your U. of Rochester jokes at your earliest convenience. ;) :D

Diehardfan....paging Diehardfan....please pick up the white courtesy phone....paging Diehardfan.... ;D

I said the "White" courtesy phone.   ;D

Okay, give me Ham on five and hold the Mayo.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 10, 2007, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 10, 2007, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 10, 2007, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 10, 2007, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2007, 04:30:16 AM
Yes, folks, I have decided that what the Survivor Pool was really missing was a good bout of trash-talking. I await your U. of Rochester jokes at your earliest convenience. ;) :D

Diehardfan....paging Diehardfan....please pick up the white courtesy phone....paging Diehardfan.... ;D

I said the "White" courtesy phone.   ;D

Okay, give me Ham on five and hold the Mayo.  ;D

A hospital, what is it doctor?  It is a building with four walls and patients, but that's not important right now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2007, 03:49:19 PM
So Timmy, do you like Gladiator movies?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 10, 2007, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 10, 2007, 11:49:29 AM
Diehardfan....paging Diehardfan....please pick up the white courtesy phone....paging Diehardfan.... ;D

I texted Diehardfan this weekend and told her that her favorite team, Rochester, might be #1 this week after Amherst lost...

This was her response...

"Haha...funny...but I mean...completely different team....they could be good now"! lol.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2007, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 10, 2007, 12:08:41 PM
Greg, kind of hard to hate on Rochester ... it's like hating on vanilla, or the Gap, or elevator music, or Everybody Loves Raymond ... perfectly boring and inoffensive in every way (hey, you started it ...)

That's actually not a bad attempt at dissing Roch-a-cha, nescac1. For some people there's nothing more upsetting than being called "boring and inoffensive".
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 10, 2007, 06:22:28 PM
Thanks (in case it wasn't clear, that WAS my intention ...).  Time to go down some daquiries on my yacht (if only ...). 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2007, 08:20:06 PM
Let's dedicate this area to follow the teams with perfect records :

The Undefeated: (15)

Coast Guard      8   0
Elizabethtown      8   0
Emerson      6   0
Geneseo State           6   0
Immaculata      5   0
Mary Hardin-Baylor   3   0
Mass-Dartmouth   7   0
McDaniel      6   0
Plattsburgh State   6   0
Puget Sound      6   0
Rochester      7   0
Stevens      8   0
Trinity (Texas)      6   0
UW-Oshkosh      7   0
Williams      7   0

and the Winless :(21)
Albertus Magnus   0       7
Alfred            0         8
Alma            0        5
Augsburg   0   6
Beloit      0   6
Caltech      0   4
Colorado College   0   8
Delaware Valley   0   7
Denison      0   8
Kalamazoo      0   5
Kings Point      0   6
Lancaster Bible   0   8
Maine-Presque Isle   0   7
Martin Luther      0   6
Medgar Evers      0   10
Monmouth      0   7
Philadelphia Bible   0   7
Purchase      0   6
Rockford      0   5
St. Mary's (Minn.)   0   8
Texas Lutheran   0   6

Feel free to correct any in error....

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 10, 2007, 08:31:41 PM
I picked Beloit to be the last defeated team to win a game...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2007, 08:52:31 PM
only 1 perfect record on the line tonight  -  Winless Albertus Magnus plays Wesleyan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 10, 2007, 10:07:19 PM
21 winless teams seems like a lot...hope they can get atleast one this year :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2007, 10:30:06 PM
It's early yet. When can we look at undefeated vs. D-3?

Old School, do you just assume Cal Tech won't be o-fer?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 10, 2007, 10:34:40 PM
I just heard how bad Beloit was going to be from the MWC.  I just picked them in the past because they were just in my head...I didn't really think about it at all! lol :-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2007, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2007, 08:52:31 PM
only 1 perfect record on the line tonight  -  Winless Albertus Magnus plays Wesleyan.

And Albertus stayed winless, but you missed Martin Luther, which got off the schneid, downing St. Olaf.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2007, 11:00:04 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2007, 10:30:06 PM
It's early yet. When can we look at undefeated vs. D-3?

Old School, do you just assume Cal Tech won't be o-fer?

Caltech probably has a good shot a week from today, facing Gallaudet.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2007, 12:08:35 AM
Gallaudet just beat Villa Julie this past weekend... don't bet Caltech may win.

Though cool they are playing each other!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2007, 08:05:10 AM
Thanks Ypsi for pointing out the miss on Martin Luther  ...  with their win the winless group falls to 20, The undefeated stays at 15

4 teams risk perfect records tonight
Undefeated Rochester plays at RIT    cross town rivalry should be a good game

Undefeated Emerson hosts MIT  -   MIT is good

Winless Kalamazoo plays at D2 Northwood
Winless Monmouth plays at Robert Morris Chicago
Both winless teams playing 'up', likely to stay perfect.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 11, 2007, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2007, 08:05:10 AM
Both winless teams playing 'up', likely to stay perfect.

Now, wouldn't that be "imprefect"   ...   ?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2007, 12:38:17 PM

I can't believe someone started keeping track of this before January.

I am not going to even look at the standing to determine winless and undefeated vs d3 until then.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 11, 2007, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2007, 08:05:10 AM
Winless Kalamazoo plays at D2 Northwood

Both winless teams playing 'up', likely to stay perfect.

If they play this game tonight (weather), I wouldn't sell Kzoo short, Northwood isn't a world beater, they beat an equal or lesser Olivet squad by 10 and lost to NAIA  Spring Arbor by 28.  Kzoo may break our hearts tonight, besides, after this the schedule lightens up, the Hornets should disappoint by Jan 1.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2007, 01:59:51 PM
Sac if you're still around, does Alma have a shot (at completing the season with a 0)?   Oops I see they have Oberlin and Marygrove next - I would assume each would at least present opportunity for a win.

One of the teams that is easy to point to as a candidate for an "imperfect" season is Maine Presque Isle - an old favorite of this board, - but circle Jan 27 on your calander - they  play Unity on that day - Unity is a non D3 team,  is currently 0-13 and losing games by an average of 38.8 points  -  there is hope for UMPI.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2007, 01:59:51 PM
Sac if you're still around, does Alma have a shot (at completing the season with a 0)?   Oops I see they have Oberlin and Marygrove next - I would assume each would at least present opportunity for a win.

As of this moment, Alma is the 9-2 choice of the NCAC Pick'em contestants to defeat Oberlin Friday.  And Oberlin is already off the schneid, having defeated Earlham (who topped Lake Erie, who beat Wooster, who knocked off St. Thomas, who won at Winona St., presently the #5 ranked team in D2 (http://nabc.cstv.com/coaches_corner/coaches_corner-polls-div2.html).)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2007, 02:49:12 PM
Which has to make Alma the favorite to win the MIAA  -  at least!!!! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 11, 2007, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 02:24:54 PM

As of this moment, Alma is the 9-2 choice of the NCAC Pick'em contestants to defeat Oberlin Friday. 

I really don't know why,

Alma (0-5)
11/16/07  at Case Western.......  69-88  L
11/17/07  vs Lake Erie..........  44-74  L
11/21/07  FERRIS................  43-47  L
11/27/07  AQUINAS...............  49-72  L
12/4/07   at Madonna............  66-76  L

If they're basing it on a 4 point loss to a D2...........they should know that D2 is 3-4 with wins over Grace Bible, Alma and Saginaw Valley State.  Ferris will be battling SVSU for the right to be called the worst D2 in Michigan this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on December 11, 2007, 03:55:51 PM
Alma is far more likely to get its win against Marygrove who just lost to Hope by 48.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2007, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 02:24:54 PM

As of this moment, Alma is the 9-2 choice of the NCAC Pick'em contestants to defeat Oberlin Friday. 

I really don't know why,

Alma (0-5)
11/16/07  at Case Western.......  69-88  L
11/17/07  vs Lake Erie..........  44-74  L
11/21/07  FERRIS................  43-47  L
11/27/07  AQUINAS...............  49-72  L
12/4/07   at Madonna............  66-76  L

If they're basing it on a 4 point loss to a D2...........they should know that D2 is 3-4 with wins over Grace Bible, Alma and Saginaw Valley State.  Ferris will be battling SVSU for the right to be called the worst D2 in Michigan this year.


Those are nailbiters compared to the Yeomen:

Oberlin (1-7)
11/16/07 at Swarthmore......62-81  L
11/17/07 at Haverford..........35-58  L
11/21/07 THOMAS MORE.......45-83  L
11/25/07 WILMINGTON.........50-78  L
11/27/07 at Case Western...51-88  L
12/01/07 ADRIAN..................54-85  L
12/05/07 WOOSTER..............54-94  L
12/08/07 at Earlham.............68-59  W

This game has Stinker-of-the-Year potential.  I think NCAC Pick'em contestants prefer Alma because they're familiar with Oberlin.  MIAA Pick'em contestants may be solidly behind the Yeomen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2007, 04:27:32 PM
David, you beat me to it (again!)  Pickers are often more down on the 'dog' they know than on someone else's 'dog'! :P

But 'Stinker-of-the-Year'?   Head up to New England for UMPI-Unity! ;D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 11, 2007, 05:21:52 PM
Clearly Alma's reputation has been damaged by sandwiching respectable seasons of 10-16 and 10-15 around true disasters.

Alma
08...0-5
07...3-22
06...10-16
05...10-15
04...3-23
03...1-23
02...3-22

Total record 30-126 for .192

Oberlin
08...1-7
07...5-20
06...2-22
05...3-22
04...7-18
03...3-22
02...9-16*

Total record 30-127 for .191

But Alma holds a solid ace of spades in the hand with only 16 wins vs D3 competition (12 coming in 2 seasons), while Oberlin holds 29 wins vs D3.

..... but maybe Oberlin comes over the top with all 9 wins of 02 being declared forfeits (at least I think).

Well either way, this is truely a clash of Great Lakes titans.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 05:52:59 PM
Yeah, we can ignore the 01-02 season, when Oberlin cheated its way to nine wins.  ::) Since then, the Yeo have won 21 times, vs. 27 for Alma.  Alma's wins may not be the most stellar, but can they claim to have more than half of them against the Murderer's Row that is Hiram (3), Earlham (3), Denison (2), and Kenyon (3)?  And needing overtime for three of those wins?  And having a losing record against each of these traditional powers (2-8 vs. Denison, 3-8 vs. Earlham, and 3-7 vs. the others)?  The bottom half of the NCAC commonly is among the worst Gangs of Five in the nation, and Oberlin serves as the Gang's doormat year in and year out. 

In other words, we need for Oberlin and Alma to play every year, preferably with Preque Isle as the visitors in a Caltech Holiday Tournament.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 11, 2007, 07:31:52 PM

Alma can claim victories over Finlandia(2), Grace Bible (3), Marygrove (2), Trinity International, St. Mary's (not the MIAA women's version either) and a grand total of 11 MIAA league wins (8 over 2 seasons).  They can also claim a loss to Finlandia and one of their wins over Grace Bible came in OT.

Against the NCAC the Scots are 1-4, with losses to Witt, Allegheny, Denison, Wabash

As far as the Murderer's row of the NCAC, Alma can claim a 0-1 record with a loss to Denison........however we need to probably add Oberlin to the murderers row, in which case Alma's record balloon's to .500 vs said teams with a 68-52 win over Oberlin 11-17-2001.....in front of 75 friends and family.


Whats curious is how many times the Scots pummel themselves by scheduleing D2 teams.  9 times with a 1-8 record,  its even more curious that they beat one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 08:05:40 PM
We need some sort of wager on this game, like the politicians do--except they usually bet for their own teams!  Like, say, if Oberlin wins, then they have to install a Michigan Man as their new President  (oops!  too late! (http://cms.oberlin.edu/inauguration/)), or something.  Any ideas?  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
I've got it - how about the winner (loser?) has to adopt the other team's name?  The MIAA could really use some 'Yeomen', or it would be about time the NCAC had some decent 'Scots'! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 11, 2007, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 08:05:40 PM
Like, say, if Oberlin wins, then they have to install a Michigan Man as their new President  (oops!  too late! (http://cms.oberlin.edu/inauguration/)), or something.  Any ideas?  :)

Too bad Oberlin couldn't find anyone with advanced education?  ::)


Maybe the bet should be the loser has to endure watching the losing team in a game they have no rooting interest in?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2007, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2007, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 08:05:40 PM
Like, say, if Oberlin wins, then they have to install a Michigan Man as their new President  (oops!  too late! (http://cms.oberlin.edu/inauguration/)), or something.  Any ideas?  :)

Too bad Oberlin couldn't find anyone with advanced education?  ::)


Maybe the bet should be the loser has to endure watching the losing team in a game they have no rooting interest in?

All right, so NOW I totally confused on who's betting on what?! ;D

[Yeah, I know - my problem for jumping in on someone else's bet.]
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on December 11, 2007, 11:06:49 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2007, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 08:05:40 PM
Like, say, if Oberlin wins, then they have to install a Michigan Man as their new President  (oops!  too late! (http://cms.oberlin.edu/inauguration/)), or something.  Any ideas?  :)

Too bad Oberlin couldn't find anyone with advanced education?  ::)


Maybe the bet should be the loser has to endure watching the losing team in a game they have no rooting interest in?

I think the loser should have to watch a tape of the Alma-Oberlin game again and again and again.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 11:09:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2007, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2007, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2007, 08:05:40 PM
Like, say, if Oberlin wins, then they have to install a Michigan Man as their new President  (oops!  too late! (http://cms.oberlin.edu/inauguration/)), or something.  Any ideas?  :)

Too bad Oberlin couldn't find anyone with advanced education?  ::)


Maybe the bet should be the loser has to endure watching the losing team in a game they have no rooting interest in?

All right, so NOW I totally confused on who's betting on what?! ;D

[Yeah, I know - my problem for jumping in on someone else's bet.]

We're all the losers just for wasting this much time and energy on Oberlin/Alma.  ::)

But for all the rhetoric, I'm actually one of the two (now three) NCAC pick'em'ers who picked Oberlin to win.  Which just about guarantees that they won't. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 11, 2007, 11:38:42 PM
I traditionally don't pick Oberlin to win anything but a battle of the bands. (And not marching bands.) Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 12, 2007, 01:37:28 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 11, 2007, 11:38:42 PM
I traditionally don't pick Oberlin to win anything but a battle of the bands. (And not marching bands.) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I bet that Oberlin would be right up there competing for the Walnut and Bronze if hacky sack and devilstick were NCAA sports.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2007, 08:01:30 AM
Nobody falls off the bandwagon last night

Rochester beats RIT  80-70;  Emerson beats MIT 91-81;  Both stay undefeated and we remain at 15 teams

Kalamazoo loses to Northwood 81-64 to stay winless;  Monmouth at Robert Morris Chicago is postponed to Dec 20
The winless number 20


4 more teams put their 0's on the line tonite

undefeated Mass Dartmouth plays Johnson  & Wales
Winless Rockford hosts Aurora
undefeated Mary Hardin Baylor goes to Incarnate Word
winless Texas Lutheran hosts Schriener

Tex Lu has a good chance of breaking their streak....

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2007, 08:06:36 AM
Mary Hardin Baylor falls off the undefeated list, losing to Incarnate Word by 12, But Mass Dartmouht remains undefeated with a win over Johnson & Wales.   Winless stay at 20 as Rockford falls to Aurora

-winless Texas Lutheran plays reschedule vs Schreiner tonight.

14 Undefeated, 20 Winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2007, 09:39:51 PM
Diligent research reveals that Purchase defeated Pratt Institute in November, eliminating them from Winless cosideration!!! :o :o

Winless numbers tumble to 19.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 14, 2007, 01:47:54 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 13, 2007, 09:39:51 PM
Diligent research reveals that Purchase defeated Pratt Institute in November, eliminating them from Winless cosideration!!! :o :o

The headline in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle sports section no doubt read, Pratt falls; can gain no Purchase.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2007, 07:55:17 AM
Texas Lutheran loses to Schriener by 8 to stay winless  -  don't know how the ASC stacks up this year, but Schriener is generally at the bottom  -  we may have a solid candidate for a perfect  imperfect season in Texlu

Games tonight include:

Undefeated Rochester hosts St John Fisher in the battle of the Flour City

The much ballyhooed Oberlin at winless Alma game

Winless Lancaster Bible at Baptist Bible  - is this a heated rivalry  -  do recruits decide between these two schools?

Winless Kalamazoo at IU southeast  -  I can never keep up with who is good amonst these directional NAIA or USCAA teams....

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2007, 08:38:02 AM
Actually Schreiner seems to be pretty good this year.

(That is a hard place to play.)

They only lost to D-2 Incarnate Word by 8, the same team that beat #5 UMHB by 12.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 14, 2007, 11:23:19 AM
St. Mary's in Minnesota is in the throes of depression on campus (perhaps).

Then men are now 0-8 and 0-4 in the MIAC. Their next game in December 22 against D-1 Loyola of Chicago. Ulp.

The women are 0-6 and 0-4 in the MIAC and don't play again until January 2.

Both the men's and women's hockey team have losing records as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 14, 2007, 06:49:35 PM
Just let these teams win one game, is that asking too much!?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 14, 2007, 06:51:10 PM
All is quite on this thread as the schools chug along with finals.  Back to action in a couple weeks...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 14, 2007, 09:52:11 PM
NOOOO!!!  :o
I mean, YESSSS!!! 8)
I mean, well, I'm not sure what I mean, ??? but Oberlin has vanquished the mighty Alma Scots (who nevertheless "battle[d] hard," according to the Alma website (http://www.alma.edu/athletics/mbb/archives/2007/12/14/acvsoberlin)), 62-57.  Alma stays ferpect, while Oberlin wins back-to-back road games for the first time since 1922.  Go Yeo! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 14, 2007, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: LogShow on December 14, 2007, 06:51:10 PM
All is quite on this thread as the schools chug along with finals.  Back to action in a couple weeks...

Not quite, as Rochester is still playing.  Tonight they were winning, 75-58 over St. John Fisher.  The YJs will now sit on their #1 ranking until the Chase Tournament begins on Jan. 9.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 15, 2007, 01:50:06 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 14, 2007, 11:23:19 AM
St. Mary's in Minnesota is in the throes of depression on campus (perhaps).

Then men are now 0-8 and 0-4 in the MIAC. Their next game in December 22 against D-1 Loyola of Chicago. Ulp.

The women are 0-6 and 0-4 in the MIAC and don't play again until January 2.

Both the men's and women's hockey team have losing records as well.


so that would qualify as a down year ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2007, 12:04:22 PM
Rochester stays undefeated, beating SJF.

Kalamazoo loses close to IU SE, Alma down to streaking Oberlin, and Baptist Bible out verses Lancater Bible

No Changes

And a murmur goes up from our fans about the potential classic matchup uf Alma and Kalamazoo in the MIAA !!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 15, 2007, 12:15:11 PM
Kzoo has Davenport today, thats winnable, and play Marygrove after Christmas.  Hope beat them 52, Albion by 63.  I don't think Kzoo makes it to MIAA play winless.  But maybe against D3.

Alma has a tournament with Finlandia, winnable, and then would play the winner of Davenport and Purdue-Calumet.  I imagine those are winnable.  But if Alma fails in those two games, O-fer the season is not out of the question.

Jan 9 Kzoo at Alma
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on December 15, 2007, 02:11:59 PM
"for the first time since 1922...."

LOL, very clever.

speaking of headlines, we must bring one we've used previously in "Around the Nation."

Alma Matters
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 15, 2007, 08:41:55 PM
Kzoo gets its first win this afternoon 66-60 over Davenport, they remain winless vs D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2007, 10:45:05 PM
Augsburg fails to lose to Scholastica, 84-72, and falls off the winless list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 15, 2007, 10:57:29 PM
Augie beats Oshkosh, UWO drops their first game and drops off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on December 16, 2007, 07:06:40 PM
I doubt we are doing a third round, but seriously Emerson is prob going to be the team that goes undefeated this year unless they get upset. Their last serious opponent was MIT which they beat by double-digits. Lasell could cause a fit in one of the home and home match ups, but other than that their conference should not cause much of a fuss.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2007, 10:08:36 PM
There hasn't been a complete, updated list in a while - I guess I'm elected! ;D

Undefeated (13):

Coast Guard, 8-0
Elizabethtown, 9-0
Emerson, 7-0
Geneseo St., 6-0
Immaculata, 5-0
Mass-Dartmouth, 8-0
McDaniel, 6-0
Plattsburgh St., 6-0
Puget Sound, 6-0
Rochester, 9-0
Stevens, 8-0
Trinity (TX), 6-0
Williams, 7-0

[Mostly doesn't strike me as 'Murderers Row'; having briefly looked at their schedules, I'd agree with an earlier post that Emerson looks like this year's Lake Erie.]

Winless (15):

Albertus Magnus, 0-8
Alfred, 0-8
Alma, 0-6
Beloit, 0-6
Caltech, 0-4
Colorado Col., 0-8
Del Val, 0-9
Denison, 0-8
Lancaster Bible, 0-9
UMPI, 0-6
Monmouth, 0-7
Philly Bible, 0-7
Rockford, 0-7
St. Mary's (MN), 0-8
Texas Lu, 0-7

[Lancaster Bible should, IMO, be disqualified - Pat doesn't even track their schedule, and it took me 4 tries on Google to find their record.  I think they have an unfair advantage to losing, and would place last in most intramural leagues! ;)]

Corrections appreciated.

EDIT: Rockford inserted on winless list - thanks Hopefan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 16, 2007, 10:53:41 PM
I am clamoring for a Lancaster Bible / Unity collision, then!  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 16, 2007, 10:54:29 PM
Conference play always springs an upset or two in most leagues, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2007, 11:00:21 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 16, 2007, 10:53:41 PM
I am clamoring for a Lancaster Bible / Unity collision, then!  :P

My over-50 coed rec-league team calls winner! 8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on December 16, 2007, 11:00:58 PM
I agree but the GNAC really does not have anything other than Lasell and Emerson, and Lasell is a new addition this year....So really if they can get through those two games, It would not just be your run of the mill upset it would be a huge upset if say Mount Ida or Daniel Webster beat them...If you have never heard of these schools...there is a reason. I am sorry if that offended any people from these institutions but its kind of true.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2007, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on December 16, 2007, 11:00:58 PM
I agree but the GNAC really does not have anything other than Lasell and Emerson, and Lasell is a new addition this year....So really if they can get through those two games, It would not just be your run of the mill upset it would be a huge upset if say Mount Ida or Daniel Webster beat them...If you have never heard of these schools...there is a reason. I am sorry if that offended any people from these institutions but its kind of true.

Those of us who get our jollies on the 'winless' board really miss Mt. Idy and Danny Webster this year! ;D

[Apologies if there are any fans of those schools on the board - I'm sure they are fine institutions. :-[]
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 16, 2007, 11:36:57 PM
Is Lancaster Bible even D3?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2007, 11:53:11 PM
I think they are provisional, but still a schedule mainly from their 'Christian' affiliation (I forget which organization).  d3hoops has a page for them, but it is blank as far as the schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 16, 2007, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2007, 11:53:11 PM
I think they are provisional, but still a schedule mainly from their 'Christian' affiliation (I forget which organization).  d3hoops has a page for them, but it is blank as far as the schedule.

Then I wouldn't count them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2007, 02:49:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2007, 11:53:11 PM
I think they are provisional, but still a schedule mainly from their 'Christian' affiliation (I forget which organization).  d3hoops has a page for them, but it is blank as far as the schedule.

Lancaster Bible College is an NCCAA member (National Christian College Athletic Association). LBC may very well remain a dual member of the NCCAA and the NCAA's D3 once it attains full D3 membership, as do such other schools as Bethany Lutheran, Greenville, and Northwestern.

Rhodes does track D3 vs. NCCAA results in the interdivisional room.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 17, 2007, 03:44:23 AM
14 winless teams left...I am pulling for all of them!  Those poor guys working hard every day.  Practicing for over 2 months with no wins to show...depression would be setting in for me.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 17, 2007, 03:46:15 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 16, 2007, 10:54:29 PM
Conference play always springs an upset or two in most leagues, though.

No doubt about it.  All the teams know each other so well.  Going underfeated in league play is quite an accomplishment...pretty rare I would say.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2007, 11:55:47 AM
Thanks Ypsi, for updating  -  I fell behind over the weekend

You DID miss one when I compared my list to yours...  Also winless is Rockford at 0-7    Bringing winless list to 15.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2007, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2007, 11:55:47 AM
Thanks Ypsi, for updating  -  I fell behind over the weekend

You DID miss one when I compared my list to yours...  Also winless is Rockford at 0-7    Bringing winless list to 15.

Thanks for the catch - list corrected above.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2007, 03:14:51 PM
I say include Lancaster Bible. it didn't take long for me to find them. (I googled Lancaster Bible and viola!)

The schedule seems in line for a PA-area D-3. Are they going to join one of the PA-based conferences?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on December 17, 2007, 05:38:54 PM
Lancaster Bible is a second-year provisional member.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2007, 06:57:37 PM
Activity tonite :

Carthaage plays undefeated Trinity Texas

Winless Texas Lutheran goes to the U. of the Ozarks

and in an epic battle of lowly ranked teams, almost winless Gallaudet plays totally winless Caltech
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2007, 08:49:56 PM
Carthage 56, Trinity (TX) 49.

Undefeated shrinks to 12.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2007, 09:39:18 PM
Have I missed any lately??

ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL

ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster
unbearable - Rhode Island College (Recently edited)
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst

Still Alive

Greg Sager - Rochester U
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
nescac1 - Williams

SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL




   Poster      Team   
   Point Special      UW-Stevens Point   
   HopeConvert      Virginia Wesleyan   
   ILive4This      Virginia Wesleyan   
   Flying Dutch Fan      Augustana   
   knightSlappy      Calvin   
   David Collinge      Guilford   
   abominable snowman      Guilford   
   Mr. Ypsi      Guilford   
   Old School      Mississippi College   
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   
   Greg Sager      DePauw   
   unbearable      Coast Guard   
   Knightstalker      Coast Guard   
   DCHopeNut      Mary Hardin-Baylor   
   sac      Puget Sound   
   LogShow      Puget Sound   
   hope1      stevens   


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 17, 2007, 09:42:39 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 17, 2007, 09:39:18 PM
Have I missed any lately??

SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL


   DCHopeNut      Mary Hardin-Baylor   

Yeah, UMHB lost to Incarnate Word last Weds....and they're struggling with UT-Dallas tonight (UTD leads 39-37, 12:10 left.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2007, 11:03:31 PM
TLU 69, UOzarks 64 (http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/07-08/tlu.htm)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2007, 11:15:48 PM
I could really use a UT-D win in the pick em league! lol

MHB 63, UT-D 56...Poopy.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2007, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 17, 2007, 11:15:48 PM
I could really use a UT-D win in the pick em league! lol

MHB 63, UT-D 56...Poopy.

It was agonizing for the UTD fans to watch!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2007, 11:32:28 PM
In recently updating the 'unbeaten' list, I looked at (not really studied, but looked at) all the schedules.  I suspect we will all kick ourselves for not taking Emerson, though they will probably have to make it to at least 20-0 before even getting a whiff of the Top 25.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 01:12:23 AM
A 'perfect' night for the lists: Caltech 72, Gallaudet 58.

Undefeated falls from 13 to 12; winless from 15 to 13.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 18, 2007, 03:21:24 AM
Puget Sound being idle is a blessing and a curse, they are hanging on and keeping me in the second chance pool...but I want to watch them play some games!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 08:03:31 AM
Dropping one right after the other!!!    3 more on the line tonight..

Winless Alma plays Marygrove   (Alma should be favored per Sac)

Undefeated McDaniel goes to Mary Washington  (tough game on the road)

Undefeated Plattsburgh is out west to play Chapman.  (interesting interregion comparison).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Stinger on December 18, 2007, 08:16:42 AM
Is it me, or does this room smell of arrogance?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 08:33:21 AM
Just the facts, sir, just the facts    ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on December 18, 2007, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 08:03:31 AM
Dropping one right after the other!!!    3 more on the line tonight..

Winless Alma plays Marygrove   (Alma should be favored per Sac)


Marygrove however is a NAIA member so even with a win Alma would remain winless against d3. So the potential Titanic MIAA match-up of Alma and Kalamazoo (both winless against D3 at the moment) on January 9 remains a real possibility. :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Stinger on December 18, 2007, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on December 18, 2007, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 08:03:31 AM
Dropping one right after the other!!!    3 more on the line tonight..

Winless Alma plays Marygrove   (Alma should be favored per Sac)


So the potential Titanic MIAA match-up of Alma and Kalamazoo (both winless against D3 at the moment) on January 9 remains a real possibility. :-\

my point exactly.  not so surprising it comes out of Holland.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2007, 03:13:47 PM
Adding Lancaster Bible is on my list. But tonight I am going on a date with my wife for the first time since August, so it will have to wait. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2007, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: Stinger on December 18, 2007, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on December 18, 2007, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 08:03:31 AM
Dropping one right after the other!!!    3 more on the line tonight..

Winless Alma plays Marygrove   (Alma should be favored per Sac)


So the potential Titanic MIAA match-up of Alma and Kalamazoo (both winless against D3 at the moment) on January 9 remains a real possibility. :-\

my point exactly.  not so surprising it comes out of Holland.

Oh, Stinger. If you would care to look - we celebrate the winless and hope that they get off the schneid. Every dog should have its day - even Green Mountain, Presque Isle and Cal Tech!


EDITED to address formatting issues
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 04:16:57 PM
Uh, smed, don't look now, but traditional 'winless' denizen Green Mountain is 8-1! :o :o ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 04:23:50 PM
I noticed that too  -  possible reasons?
1) soft schedule?
2) development within?
3) great coaching?
4) JC route?
5) Super frosh?

Any GMC fans out there to let us in on the secret?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 18, 2007, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 04:23:50 PM
I noticed that too  -  possible reasons?
1) soft schedule?
2) development within?
3) great coaching?
4) JC route?
5) Super frosh?

Any GMC fans out there to let us in on the secret?
What is this?  Divine intervention?  Jiminy Cricket!  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 05:10:14 PM
Maybe Jiminy put a little hop in them!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2007, 05:25:26 PM
Well, raise my rent...I'll be.

Green Mountain looks to have three seniors and two juniors who are new to the team this year.

Also, they've not played a murderer's row:

Danny Webster (3-4)
Mass - Liberal Arts (4-4) (beat 'em twice!)
Bard (3-7) - their only loss
Johnson State - (2-5)
Eastern Nazarene (3-6)
Paul Smith's (NAIA - and Lord Knows how bad they are...)
Presque Isle (0-7)
Anna Maria (5-5)

But I'm sure they'll take all of the wins! It sure beats the alternative!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 18, 2007, 05:39:10 PM
So Green Mountain travels by dog sled to games?  After the fourth of July that is the only way to get to Paul Smiths College.  They used to have a pretty decent Jr. College team there, my nephew helped them make the move from Jr College status to NAIA.  Of course shortly after that a new president came in and she decided that Athletics should not be emphasized as much and the nephew was let go.  Better for him, now he is in the bustling metropolis of Houghton NY at Houghton College.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 05:43:21 PM
smed, good research. +k

If it weren't for those seniors, I was gonna shock the Survivor pool next year by taking 'em!  What a turnaround!

See, Stinger, we're not really a bunch of sadists, revelling in the misfortunes of others.  May K'zoo get off to an 8-1 start next year! :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 18, 2007, 08:51:31 PM
See what happens when you get Stinger all riled up?
Kalamazoo 67, Bluffton 62 (http://www.kzoo.edu/sports/live/xlive.htm)

Hornets are now off the winless-against-D3 Roll of Honor.  Congratulations!  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2007, 09:37:07 PM
We lose another  -  McDaniel loses its first to Mary Washington by 2
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 18, 2007, 11:28:20 PM
Plattsburgh St. 65, Chapman 63

(releases long-held breath)

(realizes that Occidental is tomorrow at 1pm PST)

(takes another breath and holds it)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2007, 11:55:25 PM
See, by posting 'em here it's MOTIVATION!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Cards7580 on December 18, 2007, 11:57:21 PM
SUNY  Plattsburgh (NY) goes to 7-0 with 65-63 win over Chapman in California
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 19, 2007, 01:32:18 AM
Quote from: Cards7580 on December 18, 2007, 11:57:21 PM
SUNY  Plattsburgh (NY) goes to 7-0 with 65-63 win over Chapman in California

Narrow win...I think Occidental will punch their ticket tomorrow
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2007, 07:46:44 AM
It appears that the big opportunity for an Alma win vs Marygrove was cancelled some time in the past  -  the game does not show up on the schedule on Alma's website....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2007, 07:57:47 AM
Going thru tonite's games, I see only two perfects on the line:

As previously mentioned, Plattsburgh has a tough test with Occidental

Undefeated Immaculata hosts Ursinus.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2007, 07:32:11 PM
Occidental 69, Plattsburgh St. 64

You can ship my bronze medal to the address in my profile.  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2007, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: LogShow on December 19, 2007, 01:32:18 AM
Quote from: Cards7580 on December 18, 2007, 11:57:21 PM
SUNY  Plattsburgh (NY) goes to 7-0 with 65-63 win over Chapman in California

Narrow win...I think Occidental will punch their ticket tomorrow

Ticket punched...
Oxy 69, Plattsburgh 64
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 19, 2007, 09:37:27 PM
As much as I would love to triumph, the Ephs have SEVEN games before Rochester plays again, including home to dangerous Lasell and Keene St. teams and at Amherst, where they will be an underdog.  Odds looking pretty good for Rochester at this point ...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2007, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 19, 2007, 09:37:27 PM
As much as I would love to triumph, the Ephs have SEVEN games before Rochester plays again, including home to dangerous Lasell and Keene St. teams and at Amherst, where they will be an underdog.  Odds looking pretty good for Rochester at this point ...

It's looking grim, but not quite that grim.  Rochester is back in action at the Chase tournament on Jan. 9  (http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/schedule.php?id=2)(for some reason, the Chase is not part of their schedule as listed (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/ROCH/m/2008) on this site), and that's before the Amherst (Jan. 12) and Lasell (Jan. 15) games.  Williams does have 5 games before Rochester's next game, but only Keene St. (Jan. 2) looks dangerous, and that game is at Williamstown. 

The Williams/Amherst game is on the same date as the Chase Tournament championship game; this contest could come down to which game ends first!  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2007, 09:47:39 PM
The lists are shrinking at a record clip: Ursinus 87, Immaculata 77.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 19, 2007, 09:50:00 PM
Either Mr. Ypsi or the d3hoops scoreboard is mistaken. The scoreboard says Immaculata remains undefeated, 87-77 over Ursinus. Looks like their competition has been pretty weak so far. If they beat Rowan Friday night I will be at their next game on 12/29 at Randolph-Macon. Rowan is 8-1 against what appears to be a bit tougher competition. I think Immaculata's undefeated streak will end with one of their next 2 games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2007, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2007, 09:47:39 PM
The lists are shrinking at a record clip: Ursinus 87, Immaculata 77.

Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 19, 2007, 09:50:00 PM
Immaculata remains undefeated, 87-77 over Ursinus.

Hmmmmm.....

Gotta go with Jack on this one, sorry Chuck.
Immaculata 87, Ursinus 77 (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=c7qfmshi7r9yjyjr)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2007, 09:53:29 PM
David, you beat me too it - OOPS! :-[  (Somehow I wrote it down backwards.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 19, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2007, 07:46:44 AM
It appears that the big opportunity for an Alma win vs Marygrove was cancelled some time in the past  -  the game does not show up on the schedule on Alma's website....

I'm not so sure that game ever existed, Kalamazoo has the game with Marygrove after christmas.

Alma's opportunity comes next week with Finlandia in their tournament, the other two are Davenport and Purdue-Calumet.  Although from the WIAC board a couple mentions makes me believe Finlandia is much better than in the past.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 19, 2007, 09:58:44 PM
Not only that, but isn't the Chase known for surprises?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on December 19, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 19, 2007, 09:50:00 PM
Either Mr. Ypsi or the d3hoops scoreboard is mistaken. The scoreboard says Immaculata remains undefeated, 87-77 over Ursinus. Looks like their competition has been pretty weak so far. If they beat Rowan Friday night I will be at their next game on 12/29 at Randolph-Macon. Rowan is 8-1 against what appears to be a bit tougher competition. I think Immaculata's undefeated streak will end with one of their next 2 games.

I wouldn't trust the scoreboard 100%, it shows John Jay beating NJCU on 12/12 when NJCU won the game.

Also I would question whether Rowan has really played a tougher schedule yet.  They have only played three decent teams and lost to one of them NJCU of course they did beat Brockport, but even though it counts I don't give much weight to the first game of the season.  Most of the schedule is made up of schools like Baptist Bible and Mother Catherines sisters of the blind.  Typical early season Rowan BB schedule, pad the record with weak teams before the NJAC season really starts.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2007, 10:13:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2007, 09:53:29 PM
David, you beat me too it - OOPS! :-[  (Somehow I wrote it down backwards.)

Come to think of it, perhaps my previously undiagnosed score-dyslexia explains how I can still be a Lion's fan. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2007, 11:15:24 PM
I'm sure that they'd have both games on in Vegas, waiting to see which bet would pay off first. At the Sands, a lot of money is on the Ephs, but the cash at Caesar's is on Rochester.

And Tuesday, Jerry Vale is in town.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 03:25:46 AM
Sac, how are you feeling about Puget Sound in the second chance survivor pool?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2007, 08:16:22 AM
So a revised list after last night

Undefeated (10):

Coast Guard, 8-0
Elizabethtown, 9-0
Emerson, 7-0
Geneseo St., 6-0
Immaculata, 6-0
Mass-Dartmouth, 8-0
Puget Sound, 6-0
Rochester, 9-0
Stevens, 8-0
Williams, 7-0


Winless (13):

Albertus Magnus, 0-8
Alfred, 0-8
Alma, 0-6
Beloit, 0-6
Colorado Col., 0-8
Del Val, 0-9
Denison, 0-8
Lancaster Bible, 0-9
UMPI, 0-7
Monmouth, 0-7
Philly Bible, 0-7
Rockford, 0-7
St. Mary's (MN), 0-8

Only game tonight is winless Monmouth at Robert Morris Chicago  -  this one won't be pretty..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 20, 2007, 10:28:07 AM
January 18th - Monmouth at Beloit. It's never too early to hype a game of that import!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2007, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 20, 2007, 10:28:07 AM
January 18th - Monmouth at Beloit. It's never too early to hype a game of that import!  ;)

Looming just as big is the epic season ending battle on Feb 22 of Lancaster Bible and Philly Bible   - 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 20, 2007, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 03:25:46 AM
Sac, how are you feeling about Puget Sound in the second chance survivor pool?

Doesn't Puget Sound have a game with a D2 that needs to be rescheduled?  If so it might be an early exit.

If not, I like their chances over Coast Gaurd who has 2 tough games on the 9th and 14th of January.  Stevens I'm not sure about, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot in front of them that should scare them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2007, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 03:25:46 AM
Sac, how are you feeling about Puget Sound in the second chance survivor pool?

Doesn't Puget Sound have a game with a D2 that needs to be rescheduled?  If so it might be an early exit.

If not, I like their chances over Coast Gaurd who has 2 tough games on the 9th and 14th of January.  Stevens I'm not sure about, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot in front of them that should scare them.

Its actually against a NAIA school, Warner Pacific.  Warner Pac is a pretty good team though ranked in the top 5 of NAIA (I think its NAIA II).  Anyway, not so sure about that game getting rescheduled.  Puget Sound goes down to Santa Barbara to play Edgewood and Westmont right after Christmas and then league play starts the next weekend...so the Warner Pac game just might not "fit in"
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2007, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 20, 2007, 10:28:07 AM
January 18th - Monmouth at Beloit. It's never too early to hype a game of that import!  ;)

Looming just as big is the epic season ending battle on Feb 22 of Lancaster Bible and Philly Bible   - 

Haha  ;D    If you had to guess, what would you predict the attendence numbers to be?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 20, 2007, 05:10:17 PM
About a buck fitty....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 06:47:26 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 20, 2007, 05:10:17 PM
About a buck fitty....

Is that 1.50 people in attendence? :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on December 20, 2007, 09:23:52 PM
Big thumbs up to smedindy for the Jerry Vale reference.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.listen.com%2Fimg%2F170x170%2F3%2F5%2F4%2F8%2F758453_170x170.jpg&hash=4482618ab5c996e1054349d2fccfc9a701c842b6)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2007, 11:28:44 AM
Monmouth beaten by 40 by Robert Morris to stay winless..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 21, 2007, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 21, 2007, 11:28:44 AM
Monmouth beaten by 40 by Robert Morris to stay winless..

ouch!  Where's the Christmas cheer and giving?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 09:21:31 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 19, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
I wouldn't trust the scoreboard 100%, it shows John Jay beating NJCU on 12/12 when NJCU won the game.

Yes, unfortunately the schools are responsible for posting scores and not everyone is perfect.

However, when there's a release posted that describes a game and it backs up the score, as linked above, I think you can count on it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 21, 2007, 11:12:02 PM
Immaculata falls from the ranks of the undefeated: Rowan 85 - Immaculata 79. http://www.rowanathletics.com/index.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2007, 12:25:56 AM
So, I wasn't really wrong about their demise on Wednesday, just premature! ;D

My ESP sometimes blurs reality. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2007, 06:04:31 AM
Yep - the mighty Macs fall from the ranks, but Colorado College goes home for the holidays still perfect, remaining winless with a loss to Coe.

Winless stay at 13, undefeated drop to 9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 22, 2007, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 20, 2007, 10:28:07 AM
January 18th - Monmouth at Beloit. It's never too early to hype a game of that import!  ;)

Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2007, 10:39:42 AM
Looming just as big is the epic season ending battle on Feb 22 of Lancaster Bible and Philly Bible   - 

I'll have to keep those in mind for the national pick em league! lol
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2007, 09:51:28 AM
old school  -  yes  -- except the loser must be selected, not the winner!!!! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 25, 2007, 07:08:40 PM
To all the winless...may Santa and the new year bring atleast a couple victories
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2007, 01:25:49 PM
Friday Dec 28

Despite a nice schedule of tournament games starting up tonight, only 3 of our perfect teams put their mark on the line tonight :

Winless Alma plays Finlandia (Finlandia has played the virtually the whole WIAC already - could be chomping at the bit to get at Alma)

Winless Beloit plays Simpson (Simpson is 3-5, but against a very good schedule)

Undefeated Puget Sound plays Edgewood - if Puget wins this one, interesting test tomorrow vs NAIA Westmont (assuming they beat Baruch tonight)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 28, 2007, 02:33:52 PM
Some interesting(?) followup on Alma/Finlandia:

This will be Finlandia's ONLY game against a Great Lakes region opponent (their two games against Northland are also in-region by the 200-mile rule).  While the 2-8 Lions (a perennial candidate for the winless list themselves) show little likelihood of needing to worry about their pool C chances any time soon, they will NEVER have a decent in-region record unless and until the NCAA moves them to the West.  (Alma is their closest GL 'neighbor' at nearly 500 miles, including traversing the 'Big Mac' which can be dicey during bball season.  For in-region d3 games, Finlandia is at least as much an 'orphan' as UMPI or Colorado College.)

Last year Grace Bible was Alma's designated non-conference win (they didn't play Finlandia).  Since GB is not on the schedule this year, I assume Finlandia returned to the schedule to fulfill that role.  Since one of the Lions' two wins was by 15 points over d2 Northern Michigan, I wonder if they will fulfill their 'destiny'.  If not, Alma may be favored over Kzoo or Tri-State at home, but are otherwise likely to be underdogs in every game this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 28, 2007, 03:10:27 PM
And it's probably good that Alma is not playing Grace Bible, as the Tigers are looking much improved this year (10-9), with a 7 point loss to ONU, and a 2 point win over NAIA Cornerstone.

I hope that Finlandia made the drive down to Alma last night or early this morning, as it's been snowing heavily here since noon, and I suspect it's worse further north.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 28, 2007, 03:39:35 PM
Northern Michigan is 1-9, though, with the only win a home win against Michigan Tech (which may be their arch rival, both being UPers...)

So I think Finlandia's win over Northern Michigan tells us more about NMU than Finlandia.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 28, 2007, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 28, 2007, 03:39:35 PM
Northern Michigan is 1-9, though, with the only win a home win against Michigan Tech (which may be their arch rival, both being UPers...)

So I think Finlandia's win over Northern Michigan tells us more about NMU than Finlandia.

True, but Michigan Tech doubled up Finlandia 73-37!  About those comparative scores ... ;)

Not sure how those results reflect on Finlandia, NMU, or MT, but probably not well for any of them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 28, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
Today is a "light flurries" day for the Yoopers. :D

Come on Mr Y all those games with teams from Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi and Alabama count as in-region for Finlandia.  ::)

Alma will be a decided underdog against every MIAA opponent at any location.    If they don't get a W this weekend, the odds of an O'fer season jump dramaticaly.  In fact they may be pretty solid underdogs in their own tournament with Finlandia, Purdue-Calumet and Davenport.  I thought this was  certain win kind of weekend for them, untill I saw their game with Oberlin.

I'd love to say I was wrong at the end of the season, but they will find competeing in the MIAA tough.  They play hard enough and with enough enthusiasm that they deserve a win somewhere along the way.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 28, 2007, 05:26:28 PM
I guess you can never count on anything when teams from the UP play each other! It's chaos! (Or something!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 28, 2007, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 28, 2007, 05:26:28 PM
I guess you can never count on anything when teams from the UP play each other! It's chaos! (Or something!)

pasties, I think you can count on pasties. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 28, 2007, 06:22:27 PM
Despite Finlandia's poor record, they have had some good games against the WIAC.  I'll try to find the post, but a poster had some good things to say about Finlandia.

3-7 record

L at Eau Claire 81-60
L vs Eau Claire 78-76 (up 12 at half)
L vs Oshkosh 91-70 (in Baraboo) (down 3 at half)
W at River Falls 84-79
L at Stout 93-89 OT (up 11 at half)
W vs Stout 99-84
L at Superior 101-79

Granted those teams aren't the cream of the WIAC crop, but they were only down 3 vs. Oshkosh and Eau Claire is 2-1 in the conference.  Stout may be the worst team in the WIAC this year.  They are athletic but don't play as a team at all.

 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 28, 2007, 06:39:07 PM
sac,

Has Alma fallen so low they will be a solid underdog to every MIAA team even at home?  Yikes!

BTW, you twisted my arm into making my version of pasties for dinner tonite.  Since mine are the lazy version of the real thing (no pastry), I'm eager for summer and the real deal!

Tom, is it legal for Stout to steal Superior's rightful spot? ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 28, 2007, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 28, 2007, 06:39:07 PM
sac,

Has Alma fallen so low they will be a solid underdog to every MIAA team even at home?  Yikes!

Yes and no, I haven't seen all the MIAA teams, but I think I have a good idea of who has what returning.  It wouldn't shock me at all if they won a game or two at home, I just feel those odds are pretty low.

Isaac Smith was their best overall player by far last season, and he's in a suit on the bench now and can't help them.  Kzoo is much better than their record shows, Olivet has better players returning.  Despite TSU's record, I like TSU's personel over Alma's.  Alma did win at home vs TSU and Kzoo last season, but it would be a big surprise to me if that happened this year.

We'll see, like I said I hope they win because they play hard and have a lot more enthusiasm than past Alma teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 28, 2007, 08:57:19 PM
Finlandia 86, Alma 73
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2007, 04:49:03 AM
As expected, each of our 3 players last night stay perfect:

Sac reports that Alma fell to Finlandia, 86 - 73, to stay winless

Beloit stays winless losing to Simpson 74 - 59

Puget sound stays undefeated, beating Edgewood  93 - 80


Many games up tonight, Saturday Dec 29

Winless Alma hosts 1-11 Purdue Calumet  - the record speaks for itself - Alma has a chance...

Winless Denison plays NYU  -  NYU is down a little, but Denison has little chance here

Winless Colorado College plays D2 Ft Lewis State  -  this should be ugly

Winless Beloit plays Presentation from the UMAC  Presentation is 1-6, and been competitive in few games  - Beloit should win and leave our list

Winless Alfred plays Cazenovia  -  Caz has a 1 point win over Hobart, while alfred lost to Hobart by 9 - Still, this game should be close on a neutral court.

Winless Rockford play St. Norb's  -  St Norbs played Auggie tight - a tough night for Rockford.

Winless St Mary's Minn plays D1 Loyola Chicago...   why?

So of our 13 winless, 7 play tonight, with Alfred, Alma, and Beloit having good shots at getting their first win.


3 undefeateds play tonight

Undefeated Puget Sound plays NAIA Westmont  -  Westmont only beat CUNY team Baruch by 2 last night, Puget should roll

Undefeated Immaculata plays at Randolph Macon  -  Randy has only lost twice, both 2 point losses and has some solid wins - I'm afraid this may end the Mac's streak

Undefeated Williams plays Lehman - should have no trouble.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 29, 2007, 03:23:33 PM
Purdue Calumet 58 Alma 47
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 29, 2007, 05:45:20 PM
Well so much for that...

Purdue Cal has gone through some tough times, but they're NAIA and can offer some aid. They used to be a clearinghouse for former D-1 athletes who crawl back to Indiana after having some issues, but that's probably what got them in trouble when those guys stopped going to class.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on December 29, 2007, 08:55:29 PM
Wow.  Alfred beats Cazenovia 78-72 after being down 45-28 at the half.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2007, 09:41:26 PM
Immaculata crushed by Randolph Macon 91 - 59, falling from the unbeaten ranks.

Williams squeaks by Lehman 73 -70.... pretty close, eh?  The ephs stay unbeaten.

Beloit gets their first win, 56 - 53 over Presentation!!!!  Along with Alfred, that's two off the winless list!!!!

Denison falls to NYU, still winless

Just saw the score on TV  -   
Loyola Ill  69  St Mary Minn  27    final       ugh
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 30, 2007, 12:35:18 AM
Westmont upends Puget Sound 78-75, handing the Loggers their first loss.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2007, 01:47:07 AM
Have I missed any lately??

ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL

ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster
unbearable - Rhode Island College
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.

Still Alive

Greg Sager - Rochester U
nescac1 - Williams

SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL





   Poster      Team   
   unbearable      Coast Guard   
   Knightstalker      Coast Guard   
   Point Special      UW-Stevens Point   
   HopeConvert      Virginia Wesleyan   
   ILive4This      Virginia Wesleyan   
   Flying Dutch Fan      Augustana   
   knightSlappy      Calvin   
   David Collinge      Guilford   
   abominable snowman      Guilford   
   Mr. Ypsi      Guilford   
   Old School      Mississippi College   
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   
   Greg Sager      DePauw   
   DCHopeNut      Mary Hardin-Baylor   
   sac      Puget Sound   
   LogShow      Puget Sound   
   hope1      stevens   


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2007, 07:06:13 AM
the last two results are in and are not for the faint of heart.... :o :o

winless Rockford down by 49 to St Norbs

winless Colorado College down by +50 to fort Lewis..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 30, 2007, 03:34:29 PM
I thought this might be the day for the Denison Big Red, but alas and alack, they fall to John Jay 73-69. 

There is always hope, however, when you share a conference with Earlham, Hiram, and Oberlin. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 30, 2007, 03:47:36 PM
Actually, the final was Loyola 89, St. Mary's 45, but still...why was the game played?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2007, 07:05:02 PM
Rockford remains winless, losing to Whitewater by just 53, 100-47
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2007, 11:00:16 PM

Are we going to get links to regional standings like we've had in the past?  If not, it may be too time consuming to make the list of winless/undefeated vs d3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2007, 12:24:53 PM
Hoops, I will have undefeated and winless vs D3 in my data- but need to get scores from all the tourneys input  -  I ought to be complete by tomorrow, and will update to 4 lists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 01, 2008, 03:05:54 PM
Puget Sound is done...*sigh*
Gave it a good run, didn't have their best effort based on the stats.  Oh well
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 01, 2008, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 29, 2007, 04:49:03 AM
Undefeated Puget Sound plays NAIA Westmont  -  Westmont only beat CUNY team Baruch by 2 last night, Puget should roll

You would think they should roll...not sure what happened, but the box score showed it was bad for the Puget Sound.  To bad...guess Puget Sound is still undefeated against D3 :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2008, 08:48:04 AM
I added a Daily Dose post that you may enjoy.  Please feel free to post corrections in the comments.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/01/03/streakin-into-2008
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2008, 11:42:11 PM
Take Stevens off your "undefeated" list!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 05, 2008, 04:40:33 PM
Coast Guard "outlasted" Stevens, with the Ducks losing on Friday night...Smart play to take CGA when it had a month off. Coast Guard resumes Monday at Lesley.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2008, 08:47:27 PM
Elizabethtown loses tonight to York (Pa.) 80-74... the Blue Jays first loss of the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 05, 2008, 10:56:11 PM
this puts us at 6 unbeatens left, no?

coast guard, emerson, massachusetts-dartmouth, williams
rochester and geneseo

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 06, 2008, 01:58:32 PM
6 still left is impressive, but I imagine that list will be shorter soon...hopefully the winless list will be getting shorter too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 06, 2008, 02:01:11 PM
Congrats to unbearable and Knightstalked, in the 2nd chance, Coast Coast outlasted the rest
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 06, 2008, 06:52:38 PM
in thinking about this...do those with roch and williams enter the 2nd chance (with coast guard, if cga still unbeaten) if they lose at any point?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 06, 2008, 07:01:28 PM
I think the 2nd chance train left the station way long time ago...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on January 06, 2008, 08:17:57 PM
four teams from the north east...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on January 06, 2008, 08:23:40 PM
If the northeast is defined (as it usually is) as the New England States and New York State, then all 6 of them are from the northeast.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on January 06, 2008, 08:17:57 PM
four teams from the north east...

As Frank just noted, geographically, ALL are northeast.  Yet only two are ranked in the top 20.  Let the 'potshots' begin as to what that says about the rest of the teams in those areas! ;D

[Though I won't join the 'sniper' chorus.]
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on January 06, 2008, 08:37:32 PM
Well, something will give this week as Rochester and Geneseo are both in the Chase.  And there can only be one winner...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on January 06, 2008, 08:51:37 PM
I just would like to point out for the record that my pick of Coast Guard occurred ten hours before that copycat Knightstalker's, so clearly I have won the coveted second-chance Survivor Pool.  ;)

I plan on updating the "obscure accolades" section of my resume in the morning.





Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2008, 10:19:13 PM
ok perfect fans  - heres an update through Saturday games, including my first shot at undefeated or winless against D3 only...  Sorry it took so long to get caught up!!

Undefeated   (6)
Williams  11 - 0
  Mass-Dartmouth  10 - 0
  Rochester  9 - 0
  Coast Guard   8 - 0
  Geneseo State  8 - 0
  Emerson  7 - 0

Undefeated against D3 (5)
  Widener   (loss to Penn State Brandywine)
  Occidental  (loss to Azusa Pacific)
   Puget Sound  (loss to Westmont)
   Mary Hardin Baylor  (loss to Incarnate Word)
   Millsaps  (loss to SE Louisiana)

Winless  (9)
  Denison  (0 - 12)
  Colorado College  (0 - 11)
  Rockford  (0 - 11)
  Lancaster Bible  (0 - 10)
  Maine Presque Isle  (0 - 10)
  Mitchell  (0 - 10)
  Monmouth  (0 - 9)
  Albertus Magnus  (0 - 8)
  Alma  (0 - 8)
                         (Philly Bible got off the list with a win over D'Youville, St Marys over St Olaf, Del Valley over Pennstate Brandywine)



Winless against D3  (but with non D3 wins)
  Blackburn
  Crown
  Delaware Valley
  Franciscan
  MacMurray 
  North Central (Minn)
  Northland
  Olivet 
  Presentation
 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2008, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2008, 10:19:13 PM
  Albertus Magnus  (0 - 8)
  Alma  (0 - 8)

Winless....and yet so cool.

Williams won again this afternoon to go to 12-0.  Next up: at Amherst, Saturday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2008, 10:32:31 PM
And in case you didn't notice   Non D3 Penn State Brandywine, also called Penn state Delaware County,

Gave Widener its only loss, and Delaware Vallet its only win!!!!!!

Amazing!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2008, 11:05:22 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 06, 2008, 08:23:40 PM
If the northeast is defined (as it usually is) as the New England States and New York State, then all 6 of them are from the northeast.
Frank - I thought in these forums we always refer to a region by it's region title :). And being from New England, as I am, I would never call New York State the Northeast... it is just New York! HA... sorry, could resist!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 06, 2008, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: unbearable on January 06, 2008, 08:51:37 PM
I just would like to point out for the record that my pick of Coast Guard occurred ten hours before that copycat Knightstalker's, so clearly I have won the coveted second-chance Survivor Pool.  ;)

I plan on updating the "obscure accolades" section of my resume in the morning.







My oldest brother joined the Coast Guard in 72, I actually claimed them 35 years ago.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on January 06, 2008, 11:27:04 PM
I was going to say I am very familiar with the many small Penn States, but had never heard of Penn State Brandywine, now that you called it AKA DelCo, it makes much more sense to me.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on January 07, 2008, 02:51:56 AM
2 points: 1) Even in the two years when Williams was national champ and  national champion runnerup, it had great difficulty with winning at Amherst.  2) If we are going to call the New England states and nothing more the northeast, then why don't we merely call them the New England states, reduce the confusion,  and leave it at that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on January 07, 2008, 03:05:22 AM
More on Williams at Amherst: In 2002-03 (Williams' national championship year) it was 1-1 at Amherst; in 2003-04 (Williams' runnerup year) it was 0-1 at Amherst. I'll let you wizards with the crystal ball predict this coming Saturday's outcome of Williams at Amherst.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 07, 2008, 01:34:02 PM
Frank - If only the NCAA called it the "New England" region. I get confused with East, Atlantic and Mid-Atlantic all the time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 07, 2008, 03:01:46 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 07, 2008, 01:34:02 PM
Frank - If only the NCAA called it the "New England" region. I get confused with East, Atlantic and Mid-Atlantic all the time.

It's easy.  'East' is anything east of the Rockies, 'Atlantic' is the Jersey Shore, and 'Mid-Atlantic' is, like, Newfoundland and the Azores and places like that. ;D

I used to live in St. Louis, which was cool.  Everyone in the 'west' considered St. Louis to be in the 'east', while those in the 'east' thought it was in the 'west.'  'Northerners' thought StL was in the 'south,' and 'southerners' placed it in the 'north.'  Even 'midwesterners' couldn't agree on whether St. Louis was in the 'west' (to an Ohioan), 'east' (to a Kansan), or 'midwest' (to an Illinoisan.)  But we always knew where we were: in St. Louis, a fine place to be. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 07, 2008, 03:12:58 PM
I always put St. Louis in Missouri..........call me crazy!  :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on January 07, 2008, 04:10:03 PM
Wags in St. Louis have long claimed that St. Louis has midwestern charm and southern industriousness.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 07, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 07, 2008, 04:10:03 PM
Wags in St. Louis have long claimed that St. Louis has midwestern charm and southern industriousness.

Midwestern charm, and southern humidity.......definately!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on January 07, 2008, 04:43:10 PM
While it is called the northeast, I am fairly certain it does not encompass anything outside of New England, i.e. Maine, NH, VT, Mass, RI and CT. So i guess you could call it whatever makes you happy and less confused.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on January 07, 2008, 04:55:56 PM
Google "northeast definition". It is what other people call it, which is confusing.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2008, 08:58:31 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 07, 2008, 02:51:56 AM
2 points: 1) Even in the two years when Williams was national champ and  national champion runnerup, it had great difficulty with winning at Amherst.  2) If we are going to call the New England states and nothing more the northeast, then why don't we merely call them the New England states, reduce the confusion,  and leave it at that.

The NCAA refers to the region as the Northeast, so I think that makes it acceptable terminology here.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2008, 09:24:06 PM
Olivet beats Anderson to drop off the winless vs D3 list!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 07, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
Boy, the MIAA is having issues at the bottom...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 06:10:53 AM
Pat: I don't recommend that anyone pattern his life after the NCAA in any respect.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 08, 2008, 11:48:19 AM
Given the schedule for this week, it is entirely possible that we could go from 6 unbeatens to 1 or none. These teams all have VERY tough games this week. Kudos to all who survive...

Geneseo/Rochester both in Chase Tournament, only one can go unbeaten thru it. In theory, both could lose.

Mass-Dart is at 9-1 Salem State tonight

Coast Guard is at 9-3 WPI on Wednesday

Emerson is at Lasell (which beat WPI, played Amherst tough) on Saturday, also has defending league champ Rivier.

And Williams has Amherst on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2008, 11:52:13 AM
Nice job ATNwriter  -  we may become only a winless room!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 08, 2008, 11:55:06 AM
There's always the undefeated vs. D-3. But yeah, it'll be tough for more than a couple to survive the gauntlet, I think.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on January 08, 2008, 02:50:32 PM
I see that Rochester likely hits Brockport in the semis, giving me a shot of squeezing out the victory prior to Williams facing the daunting task of winning at Amherst (although the Ephs have won two NESCAC tourneys at Amherst, I can't even remember the last time the Ephs won a regular season game there ... it might have been back in the 1990's).  Williams/Amherst is at 4:00 on Saturday.  What time is the Chase final scheduled, in case Rochester hangs on to beat (likely) Brockport? 

Update: I just checked.  Williams' last regular season win at Amherst came in 1996.  All four final four teams (including the national champion) lost regular season contests at Amherst; the Ephs' only two wins came in NESCAC tourney finals in 2003 and 2007.  So while the Ephs have a shot, history is against them on Saturday.  (Amherst has fared a little better at Williams, but has still lost the vast majority of its games on the Ephs' home court during the same time period ...  these teams seem to rise to the occasion at home). 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 06:10:53 AM
Pat: I don't recommend that anyone pattern his life after the NCAA in any respect.

I am fairly certain that we're not asking someone to pattern life after the NCAA here. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 08, 2008, 09:23:51 PM
When I buy beer, I make sure its "in-region" beer now.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 08, 2008, 09:57:22 PM
mass-dartmouth wins at salem state, comes back from halftime deficit, stays unbeaten.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on January 08, 2008, 10:03:19 PM
Any news to report on the Emerson game yet?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 08, 2008, 10:16:45 PM
emerson wins, 67-63 over rivier, stays unbeaten.

big news for them is that we hear key big man bryan rouse broke his ankle (not during this game), is out for year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 08, 2008, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 06:10:53 AM
Pat: I don't recommend that anyone pattern his life after the NCAA in any respect.

I am fairly certain that we're not asking someone to pattern life after the NCAA here. :)

Anything that happens to me more than 200 miles away from home never really happened, as far as I am concerned. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 08, 2008, 11:46:21 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 08, 2008, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 06:10:53 AM
Pat: I don't recommend that anyone pattern his life after the NCAA in any respect.

I am fairly certain that we're not asking someone to pattern life after the NCAA here. :)

Anything that happens to me more than 200 miles away from home never really happened, as far as I am concerned. :)

+k
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2008, 01:13:23 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 08, 2008, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 06:10:53 AM
Pat: I don't recommend that anyone pattern his life after the NCAA in any respect.

I am fairly certain that we're not asking someone to pattern life after the NCAA here. :)

Anything that happens to me more than 200 miles away from home never really happened, as far as I am concerned. :)

DC: Unless, of course, as an Ohioan, it happened to you in any of these other locations: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2008, 08:00:29 AM
lots of activity last night

as previously mentioned, Mass Dartmouth and Emerson both win close to stay undefeated

Puget Sound beats Pac Luth in 2 OTs to stay undefeated vs D3

Monmouth Beats Lake Forest to come off the Winless group

Albertus loses to Suffolk to stay winless

Widener beats Neuman to stay undefeated vs D3

Mary Hardin Baylor beats Concordia Austin in OT to stay undefeated vs D3

Lots of pressure to stay on our lists, but most survived!!!!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2008, 08:10:46 AM
games tonight include

Undefeated Rochester vs Keuka in the Chase Tourney

Undefeated Geneseo St vs Roberts Wesleyan in the Chase Tourney

Undefeated Coast Guard at WPI

Winless Denison at Oberlin   opportunity knocks

Winless Rockford at Benedictine

Winless Alma hosts Kalamazoo

Winless vs D3 Blackburn at Webster

Winless vs D3 Mac Murray hosts Westminster Mo

Winless vs D3 Delaware Valley vs DeSales


I imagine our lists will decrease by at least a couple....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2008, 10:09:34 AM

I can't believe we're down to so few so far.  How many are on the undefeated v d3 list right now?  Can we get overall records for those on the lists?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2008, 10:41:30 AM
Hoops - go back a couple of pages - I updated the list as of last Saturday's games - I'll do that each Sunday....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: old ends on January 09, 2008, 07:23:54 PM
Quote from: kate on January 05, 2008, 06:51:58 PM
Please remove Del Val from the list of NO WINS - they beat Penn State Brandywine this afternoon 70 - 55!

Remembered seeing this-- FYI
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 09, 2008, 08:54:21 PM
After rallying to tie the game at 55, Coast Guard was held scoreless by WPI for the final five minutes and 52 seconds.  The Bears fall to WPI, knocking us down to five spotless teams.

At the JP Morgan Chase Scholarship Tournament, second-seeded Geneseo State struggled in the first half against seventh-seeded Roberts Wesleyan but leads at the break.  Earlier at the same site No. 1 (in the tournament and the country) Rochester decimated Keuka 81-37 to stay undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 09, 2008, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 08, 2008, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 06:10:53 AM
Pat: I don't recommend that anyone pattern his life after the NCAA in any respect.

I am fairly certain that we're not asking someone to pattern life after the NCAA here. :)

Anything that happens to me more than 200 miles away from home never really happened, as far as I am concerned. :)

So in other words, just within the radius for traveling distance when considering the criteria for organizing NCAA tournament sectionals  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 09, 2008, 09:49:28 PM
Puget Sound is still undefeated against D3...I will take the Undefeated status anyway I can get it!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 09, 2008, 10:04:10 PM
Geneseo goes 8-for-20 from the free throw line, including two misses with under three seconds left.  The game is in OT with the Blue Knights up by 1.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on January 09, 2008, 10:06:25 PM
Assuming this is an Iowa Caucus, those 10.5% of the voters who chose Coast Guard to go undefeated the longest would get to switch their vote to their second choice, or abstain from voting again. I feel we should give these folks another stab at it. Maybe switch their allegiances to Emerson (good choice) or Rochester (iffy choice once League play gets going).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 09, 2008, 10:21:12 PM
Jeff Howe, who missed the free throws at the end of regulation, gets the put back as time expires.  Geneseo State wins 67-66 in OT and stays on the list.

They get St. John Fisher or Brockport State next.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2008, 10:39:46 PM
Denison misses the first of several opportunities to remove itself from the winless list against NCAC bottom-feeders by underscoring Oberlin 75-70 tonight.  :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2008, 11:46:02 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 09, 2008, 10:21:12 PM
Jeff Howe, who missed the free throws at the end of regulation, gets the put back as time expires.  Geneseo State wins 67-66 in OT and stays on the list.

They get St. John Fisher or Brockport State next.

Actually, I think they get Nazareth, which beat RIT tonight.  Rochester gets Brockport, which beat Fisher.  The top 4 seeds all won.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2008, 11:47:18 PM
Alma stays winless, losing to visiting Kalamazoo 64-59.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2008, 12:08:13 AM
Rockford loses to Benedictine, staying winless.

Blackburn, Macmurray, and Delaware Valley all lose, staying winless vs D3.

So only Coast Guard falls off our lists....  the losers kept on losing..... :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 10, 2008, 01:15:44 AM
Correct.  Thanks, Dave.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 10, 2008, 03:48:08 AM
Quotethe losers kept on losing.....

I feel for those teams...its a tough funk to get out of
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2008, 08:54:35 AM
One winner and 4 losers hit the court tonight..

Undefeated Emerson goes to Lasell, a tough test with Emerson missing a key player as reported.

Winless Albertus Magnus plays St Joe's Maine
Winless Lancaster Bible plays Mt Aloysius
Winless vs D3 North Central (Mn) will stay that way regardless of the outcome as they play Valley Forge Christian - wonder how that one got scheduled (Minnesota vs Pa)
and
this room's long time favorite underdog, winless Maine Presque Isle plays Maine Machias  -  Remember, the Presky's game with Unity is only weeks away - we all should get out our sleighs and reindeer and start heading northeast to see that one!!!!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2008, 09:11:03 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 10, 2008, 08:54:35 AM
...
Winless vs D3 North Central (Mn) will stay that way regardless of the outcome as they play Valley Forge Christian - wonder how that one got scheduled (Minnesota vs Pa)
...
North Central (http://www.northcentral.edu/athletics/mensbasketball/schedule) is playing Valley Forge Christian at the Assemblies of God Tournament at Central Bible College (http://www.cbcag.edu/) in Springfield MO.

:)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 10, 2008, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 10, 2008, 03:48:08 AM
Quotethe losers kept on losing.....

I feel for those teams...its a tough funk to get out of

For a couple, funk has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: old ends on January 10, 2008, 07:33:11 PM
I Just check Delaware Valley's record and they show winning a game on Jan. 05, 2008 against Penn State-Delaware County. 70-55.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2008, 08:37:11 PM
Right. They are winless against Division III schools.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2008, 11:04:45 PM
Mass.-Dartmouth goes to 12-0, nipping Roger Williams (4-8) 67-60 (http://www.rwuhawks.com/news/mbball/2008/1/10/mbb_umass_dartmouth_07_08.asp).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2008, 08:57:18 AM
Emerson sueaks by Lasell to stay undefeated

but the BIG news is  Maine Presque Isle beats Maine Machias 72-71!!
That slips UMPI off the winless list, but on to the winless vs D3 list!!!!

Albertus loses to St Joes Maine 63 - 85
Lancaster Bible Loses to Mt Aloysius 91 - 103

No score on the scholl sites or here yet for North Central Minn, but as was  pointed out, they can't move off the Winless vs D3 list this weekend anyway playing Non D3 schools


Seriously  - Congrats to UMPI  -  there AD has answered several emails from me in a humorous and upbeat manner in the past....


Current counts
Undefeated   5 (Williams, Masd Dart, Rochester, Geneseo, Emerson)

Undefeated vs D3  5 (Widener, Occidental, Puget Sound, Mary Hardin Baylor, Millsaps)

Winless  7 (Denison, Colorado Coll, Rockford, Lancaster Bible, Mitchell, Albertus Magnus, Alma)

Winless vs D3  9  (Blackburn, Crown, Delaware Valley, Franciscan, MacMurray, North Central Minn, Northland, Presentation, Maine Presque Isle)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2008, 11:56:47 AM
Games tonight

Undefeated Rochester vs Brockport at the Chase Tourney
Undeated Geneseo vs Nazareth at the Chase Tourney

In a probable mismatch:
Undefeated Millsaps vs Winless Colorado College

Undefeated vs D3 Puget Sound vs Linfield

In a 'something's gotta give' game:
Winless vs D3 Northland vs Winless vs D3 Crown

Winless vs D3 Presentation vs Martin Luther
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 11, 2008, 12:50:32 PM
Could Colorado College stun Millsaps?

Only if they were playing hockey, since Colorado College is ranked fourth in the nation.

But they CC has a nice basketball page with a cool imbedded video.

http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Athletics/varsity_sports/MBasketball/
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 01:43:26 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2008, 12:56:32 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 10, 2008, 11:04:45 PM
Mass.-Dartmouth goes to 12-0, nipping Roger Williams (4-8) 67-60.

The game was played at Roger Williams, so that win also makes UMD the king of the road.

OxyBob

A cheap road trip for the Corsairs; I hear they rented rooms for 50c.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 11, 2008, 02:36:53 PM
No phone, no pool, no pets???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 11, 2008, 03:20:14 PM
If you havent taken a look at the grinnell-caltech boxscore, it is pretty incredible.  Caltech shot 73% from the field for the game, still lost by 53 points, and had more turnovers than FG attempts (45 TOs to 41 FGs).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 11, 2008, 05:05:55 PM
I ain't got no cigarettes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 11, 2008, 06:31:20 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 11, 2008, 03:20:14 PM
If you havent taken a look at the grinnell-caltech boxscore, it is pretty incredible.  Caltech shot 73% from the field for the game, still lost by 53 points, and had more turnovers than FG attempts (45 TOs to 41 FGs).

Its just as incredible as when Grinnell scores 130 points and still loses by 30
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 11, 2008, 08:10:02 PM
and then there were 4

Nazareth 70, Geneseo 68
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on January 11, 2008, 08:25:30 PM
I would say Naz has a decent shot against UR tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 12, 2008, 07:59:16 PM
and then there were 3

Norwich beats Emerson
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 12, 2008, 09:06:28 PM
dropping like flies
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 12, 2008, 09:18:19 PM
I should have said 2...

Amherst beats Williams by 7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2008, 11:46:54 PM
The pool seems to have been forgotten!

We have a winner, as Williams falls to Amherst.  Of those teams selected, that leaves only Greg and Rochester still standing.  Congratulations! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 12, 2008, 11:54:48 PM
Have I missed any lately??

ORIGINAL SURVIVOR POOL

ELIMINATED ALREADY!!

Hoopsfan - Brockport State
Old School - Aurora
DCHopeNut - Washington U
Knight Stalker - NJCU
hope1 - Hope College
Flying Dutch Fan - Calvin
Smedindy - Wooster
Cardinal Pride - Wooster
unbearable - Rhode Island College
Ralph Turner - McMurry
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
sac - Amherst
Point Special - Amherst
David Collinge - Plattsburgh St.
nescac1 - Williams

Still Alive

Greg Sager - Rochester U


SECOND CHANCE SURVIVOR POOL

unbearable and Knightstalker win 2nd chance pool with Coast Guard





   Poster      Team   
   unbearable      Coast Guard   
   Knightstalker      Coast Guard   
   Point Special      UW-Stevens Point   
   HopeConvert      Virginia Wesleyan   
   ILive4This      Virginia Wesleyan   
   Flying Dutch Fan      Augustana   
   knightSlappy      Calvin   
   David Collinge      Guilford   
   abominable snowman      Guilford   
   Mr. Ypsi      Guilford   
   Old School      Mississippi College   
   Cardinal Pride      North Central   
   Greg Sager      DePauw   
   DCHopeNut      Mary Hardin-Baylor   
   sac      Puget Sound   
   LogShow      Puget Sound   
   hope1      stevens   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2008, 12:41:23 AM
Coast Guard has now lost two in a row.  Rochester is the only selected survivor either originally or in the second chance. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2008, 05:14:02 AM
After the dust settled from Friday and Saturday, here is what remains:

Undefeated  :  (2)  Rochester and UMass Dartmouth  - though it took narrow wins by both to stay that way - Geneseo, Williams and Emerson each lose their first

Winless  :  (6)  Denison, Colorado College, Rockford, Lancaster Bible, Mitchell, and Alma         Albertus Magnus drops off with a win over Daniel Webster

Undefeated vs D3  :  (4)  Widener, Puget Sound, Mary Hardin Bayloe, Millsaps
  Occidental drops off losing to Claremont Mudd Scripps

Winless vs D3  : (8) Blackburn, Northland, Delaware Valley, Franciscan, MacMurray, North Central Minn, Presentation, Maine Presque Isle
  Crown drops off the list, beating Northland.   UMPI leads the way, losing by 60 to Bowdoin
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2008, 11:17:08 AM
Sunday activity shows no changes to our list   -  Mitchell stays winless losing to the wonder team of the year, Green Mountain,  and Millsaps stays undefeated vs D3 beating Austin.

Today's activity is minimal.... Millsaps plays again in Texas, vs U of Dallas, and undefeated vs D3 Widener hosts Immmaculata.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 14, 2008, 02:00:24 PM
6 winless left...can they get a win sometime this year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 14, 2008, 04:18:34 PM
Let's see:

Denison has two games against Hiram and Earlham and one against Oberlin. Certainly there's a win in there somewhere. 90% chance of a win.

Colorado College has road games against Sewanee, Rhodes and Austin, the bottom of the SCAC. They play host to Southwestern. A win could come out of those four. 40% chance of a win.

Alma has home games against Olivet and Tri-State and a road trip to Olivet. Those may be their best / only chances. 33% chance of a win.

Rockford has a road game to Concordia (IL) and a home game against Maranatha. That seems to be their only hopes. 25% chance of a win.

Mitchell's best chances are at Salve Regina, home against Lyndon State, Southern Vermont and CCNY, and their final road game against Albertus Magnus. Plus they face St. Joseph's of Brooklyn (yo...). A win is quite possible against that motley crew. 90% chance of a win, mainly because St. Joe's has played such luminaries as Williamson Free Trade and the Mt. St. Vincent JV.

Lancaster Bible now has a stretch where they face Penn State - Name Your Town and some other lesser lights. 50% chance of a win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2008, 04:33:51 PM
Smed  -  you and I think alike  - I was doing the same kind of workup

Lancaster has a couple of close score and plays a large number of weak programs the rest of the way - Guaranteed victory somewhere

Rockford and Alma are in similar situations  bottom of the totem poll in conferences where there are other weaker teams, but they appear to be pretty far behind
Alma 12 to 1   Rockford 10 to 1

Denison - I saw play in St Louis - interesting comparison in that I thought they were close to even with SLIAC 1st place team Webster - Gotta think they can beat Oberlin, Hiram or Earlham, or even Kenyon  3 to 2

Mitchell - there are so many of those little colleges in NE - they have been close a number of times  5 to 1

Colorado college  -  all there tough opponents are at Colorado, all the lessers are away, and they've lost to some of them at home  8-1

So I guess my ranking in likelihood of finding a winner is
Lancaster Bible
Denison
Mitchell
Colorado College
Rockford
Alma   (Alma better beat Tri State at home, or there odds go up to 50 - 1)




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 14, 2008, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 14, 2008, 04:33:51 PM
Denison - I saw play in St Louis - interesting comparison in that I thought they were close to even with SLIAC 1st place team Webster - Gotta think they can beat Oberlin, Hiram or Earlham, or even Kenyon  3 to 2

I agree that Denison will likely come up with at least one win against Earlham, Hiram, and Oberlin.  Three of those games are at home, and I believe the Big Red will win at least two of them.

But likely not Kenyon.  That would be a monumental upset.  Although maybe not as good as some of us hoped, the Lords are much improved and a program on the rise.  Just ask Wabash.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 14, 2008, 04:52:08 PM
Alma shouldn't beat Olivet in either schools gym.  Olivet is much better than their record, I left Saturday's game with Hope puzzled at their 4-8 record.  Maybe they just had a great game vs Hope but personnel wise they're way ahead of Alma.

If Tri-State can beat Adrian they shouldn't lose to Alma either.  TSU seems to  play to the level of their competition.  They've had some good games and some awful games.  Pretty inconsistent. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 14, 2008, 04:54:22 PM
smed and hopefan, I like where your heads are at...Good Work! :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 14, 2008, 06:08:55 PM
Sac - I know that realistically Alma is behind Olivet in talent, but it is conference play and anything can happen. Well, almost anything. Hiram ain't gonna beat Wooster. Alma ain't gonna beat Hope.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 14, 2008, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 14, 2008, 06:08:55 PM
Sac - I know that realistically Alma is behind Olivet in talent, but it is conference play and anything can happen. Well, almost anything. Hiram ain't gonna beat Wooster. Alma ain't gonna beat Hope.

Do you have to say this before they meet on Wednesday?!?   :P ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 14, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
All the talk now is about the winless, since there are only two undefeated men's teams left. Maybe you want to move this topic to the women's side. Of the top 25 women's teams, seven are still undefeated:
#1  Hope 13-0
#2  Howard Payne 13-0
#3  NYU 11-0
#6  Thomas More 13-0
#12 Randolph-Macon 10-0
#14 Tufts 12-0
#22 Amherst 13-0
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 14, 2008, 11:45:48 PM
The winless is most of the fun, really. How else would people learn about Maine - Presque Isle or Albertus Magnus, or realize how IMPROBABLE Green Mountain's season is!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 15, 2008, 02:17:25 AM
#1 Rochester hosts #2 Brandeis on Sunday...could Rochester fall from the ranks of undefeated?

Either way its going to be a great game!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2008, 11:23:19 AM
Millsaps and Widener both win last night to stay undefeated vs D3

Tonite's games include :

Undefeated UMass Dartmouth hosting East Conn

Winless Lancaster Bible playing Penn State York

Winless vs D3 North Central (Minn) playing Northland

Winless vs D3 Crown and Presentation also play, but against non D3 opponents
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2008, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 14, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
All the talk now is about the winless, since there are only two undefeated men's teams left. Maybe you want to move this topic to the women's side. Of the top 25 women's teams, seven are still undefeated:
#1  Hope 13-0
#2  Howard Payne 13-0
#3  NYU 11-0
#6  Thomas More 13-0
#12 Randolph-Macon 10-0
#14 Tufts 12-0
#22 Amherst 13-0

Unranked Lebanon Valley is also unbeaten, FWIW.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2008, 02:55:49 PM
ok, I'm sorry, I'm an old fudd not into texting or whatever - what does FWIW stand for?



FWIW = For what it's worth

:)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 15, 2008, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 14, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
All the talk now is about the winless, since there are only two undefeated men's teams left. Maybe you want to move this topic to the women's side. Of the top 25 women's teams, seven are still undefeated:
#1  Hope 13-0
#2  Howard Payne 13-0
#3  NYU 11-0
#6  Thomas More 13-0
#12 Randolph-Macon 10-0
#14 Tufts 12-0
#22 Amherst 13-0

I tried to pick the Hope women in the survivor pool

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4059.1349
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2008, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2008, 11:46:54 PM
We have a winner, as Williams falls to Amherst.  Of those teams selected, that leaves only Greg and Rochester still standing.  Congratulations! :D

I shook up the world! I am the greatest! I'm king of the world! I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm a bad man ... you heard me, I'm a bad man!

Ahem ... sorry about that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 15, 2008, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2008, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2008, 11:46:54 PM
We have a winner, as Williams falls to Amherst.  Of those teams selected, that leaves only Greg and Rochester still standing.  Congratulations! :D

I shook up the world! I am the greatest! I'm king of the world! I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm a bad man ... you heard me, I'm a bad man!

Ahem ... sorry about that.

I had wondered when you were going to come around to "claim your prize."   ;D

Shouldn't there be a B*lt for this, too?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2008, 11:20:45 PM
If Greg gets 'belted', he'd better hope it is the 2008 Ali, not the 1978 Ali. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2008, 12:23:12 AM
I'd rather not be put in the same position as the 2008 Ali for anything, thankyouverymuch.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 16, 2008, 01:08:18 AM
I do suppose you deserve a Karma point for outlasting, outwitting, outplaying the competetion...my pick of Puget Sound is still unbeaten against D3 though!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2008, 01:19:37 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 16, 2008, 01:08:18 AM
I do suppose you deserve a Karma point for outlasting, outwitting, outplaying the competetion...my pick of Puget Sound is still unbeaten against D3 though!
UMHB (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/UMHB/m/2008) is unbeaten versus D3, too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2008, 08:04:01 AM
UMass Dartmouth squeezes by E Conn  95-90 to stay undefeated

North Central Minn beats D3 opponent Northland 52-50, to fall off the winless vs D3 list   winless vs D3 northland stays that way

No word yet on Lancaster Bible vs Penn State York to see if Lancaster Bible can get their first win....


Large number of games tonite, all involving our winless teams

Winless vs D3 Delaware Valley hosts Arcadia

Winless Franciscan hosts Bethany

Favorite of this room winless vs D3 Maine Presque Isle hosts Maine Fort Kent

Winless Denison hosts Kenyon

Winless Alma at Tri-State

Winless vs D3 Blackburn hosts Lincoln christian

Winless vs D3 MacMurray host Eureka

My vote for largest scoring margin tonite  Bethany over Franciscan - Bethany loves to phone in those high scores..   Yours?



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on January 16, 2008, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2008, 01:19:37 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 16, 2008, 01:08:18 AM
I do suppose you deserve a Karma point for outlasting, outwitting, outplaying the competetion...my pick of Puget Sound is still unbeaten against D3 though!
UMHB (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/UMHB/m/2008) is unbeaten versus D3, too.

Yea me, in that case!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 16, 2008, 11:33:53 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 16, 2008, 08:04:01 AM
Favorite of this room winless vs D3 Maine Presque Isle hosts Maine Fort Kent

Ah, the Mukluk Classic. ;D I believe this was the game where we were going to gather to celebrate the 10th anniversary of D3hoops.com.  I wonder whatever happened to that? ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
The game between UMPI and  Unity is fast approaching  -  this is one where I believe UMPI will have to be favored  -  Unity hasn't won this year, and throwing out one game where they lost by only 9 to Vermont Tech, they are losing by an average of 50 points per game....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 16, 2008, 05:53:46 PM
Well, now, bad news. Lancaster Baptist lost to PSU - York 77-66. 0-13.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2008, 06:46:09 PM

Vermont Tech has a Black Bear starting at the 2, so take that as you will.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: monsoon on January 16, 2008, 09:20:18 PM
Alma came up just short, losing by 2 on the road at Tri-State (60 - 58).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 16, 2008, 11:19:36 PM
Kenyon drops Denison like last year's girlfriend, 60-47, earning hopefan a big HARUMPH from me. ;D

Hiram (4-10 and fresh off a 30-point drubbing by Wooster) is next up for the Big Red; I'll be there with confetti in hand. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2008, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 16, 2008, 11:33:53 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 16, 2008, 08:04:01 AM
Favorite of this room winless vs D3 Maine Presque Isle hosts Maine Fort Kent

Ah, the Mukluk Classic. ;D I believe this was the game where we were going to gather to celebrate the 10th anniversary of D3hoops.com.  I wonder whatever happened to that? ???

Might have been anti-climactic after such a long dogsled trek: UMPI won 81-68.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 17, 2008, 01:25:00 AM
Quote from: monsoon on January 16, 2008, 09:20:18 PM
Alma came up just short, losing by 2 on the road at Tri-State (60 - 58).

Actually it was TSU 59 Alma 58

You need to read the last minute of game play though to understand this loss.
http://www.miaa.org/mbb/stats/0708/0116alts.htm
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2008, 03:11:16 AM
I don't know if this would be an interesting topic.  But considering the winless teams this year...which school has the longest losing streak dating back to last year?  Or for the teams winless against D3?  Just thought I would throw those out there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2008, 03:16:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2008, 01:19:37 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 16, 2008, 01:08:18 AM
I do suppose you deserve a Karma point for outlasting, outwitting, outplaying the competetion...my pick of Puget Sound is still unbeaten against D3 though!
UMHB (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/UMHB/m/2008) is unbeaten versus D3, too.

Well Puget Sound and UMHB can duke it out :).  Puget Sound has Whitworth and Lewis & Clark the next two weekends...we will see how long they can hold on.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: April on January 17, 2008, 03:17:46 AM
I vote for Wheaton.... oh wait...  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2008, 08:19:54 AM
Log show - good question - if no one else looks at that today, I'll see if I can take a look tonight.

No one moves off our lists last night - Winless vs D3 UMPI and Blackburn both win, but against non D3 teams - so they remain on our winless vs D3 lists.  No blowouts from our losers though - Franciscan played Bethany close..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 17, 2008, 03:33:12 PM
Well, CalTech hasn't won a league game in about 23 years (or have they now?), its not quite only D3 or all games, but its pretty amazing.......in a bad way.


Alma lost its last 3 of '07, so they sit on a 16 game losing streak.  11 straight to D3's
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 03:37:44 PM
Denison won their last game last season (their last two, in fact, and three of the last four, and still failed to qualify for the 8-team NCAC tournament), so their losing streak is confined to this year's 0-14 start.

And it ends Saturday.  8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2008, 04:04:51 PM
Unfortunately, some team records for prior years have not been retained...
Colorado College is blank

Rockford 06-07 is there - they lost their last nine games of 06-07, giving them 23 in a row

Mitchell lost their last 2 of 06-07, making them 15 in a row

Per Sac and Dave, Alma is at 16, Denison at 14

Lancaster Bible lost their last 2 last year, 15 in a row.

Colorado College was 4 - 22 last year, but last year's game results are not here or on their site

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 17, 2008, 04:23:41 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 17, 2008, 04:04:51 PM
Unfortunately, some team records for prior years have not been retained...
Colorado College is blank

But fortunately the NCAA keeps records of these things..........Colorado College won their final game of 2007.

***WARNING  PDF FILE****
http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/basketball/m_basketball_records_book/2008/2008_m_basketball_records.pdf
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2008, 04:50:47 PM
All right Sac !!!  -  thanks... :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2008, 05:27:31 PM
Sac you got a nose for research! +1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2008, 05:32:42 PM
Seems like Rockford holds the dubious record for now consecutive losses (excluding Cal Tech).  23 in a row would make even the most dedicated fan lose interest.  Guess I will have to start pulling for them (not that I can help in any way :P)  Come on Rockford...get off the snide!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 17, 2008, 05:32:42 PM
Seems like Rockford holds the dubious record for now consecutive losses (excluding Cal Tech).

Including Caltech as well; the Beavers (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/CLTC/mens/2008) won a D3 game (over Gallaudet) in mid-Dec. and have only lost 8 straight since.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2008, 06:29:07 PM
Ah yes! Thanks for refreshing my memory
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 07:56:50 PM
Speaking of winless...
I'm presently listening to the Howard Payne women's team hosting conference foe Texas Lutheran.  In the last few minutes TLU has mounted something of a rally and has cut the HPU lead to 95-20 with 4:10 left.  The HPU coach emptied the bench after they outscored TexLu 33-2 in the first 8 minutes of the second half.

This game is a real nailbiter, at least in the sense that I'd rather eat my own body parts than attend such a game. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2008, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 07:56:50 PM
Speaking of winless...
I'm presently listening to the Howard Payne women's team hosting conference foe Texas Lutheran.  In the last few minutes TLU has mounted something of a rally and has cut the HPU lead to 95-20 with 4:10 left.  The HPU coach emptied the bench after they outscored TexLu 33-2 in the first 8 minutes of the second half.

This game is a real nailbiter, at least in the sense that I'd rather eat my own body parts than attend such a game. 

Now thats some morbid humor :D  Games like this are seem pointless...for both teams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2008, 08:24:23 AM
Per the front page, Mary Hardin Baylor loses to Hardin Simmons, falling off our undefeated vs D3 list

Widener wins vs Valley Forge Christian

Undefeated  (2)  Rochester, UMass Dartmouth

Undefeated vs D3  (3)  Widener, Puget Sound, Millsaps

Mitchell loses to Salve Regina, Rockford loses to Aurora,
Lancaster played PSU Abington - no score posted yet -

Winless  (6)  Alma, Denison, Colorado College, Rockford, Lancaster Bible, Mitchell

Winless vs D3  (7)  Blackburn, Delaware Valley, Franciscan, MacMurray, Northland, Presentation, UMPI


Interesting games this weekend:

The BIG Rochester - Brandeis game

Millsaps hosts a pretty decent Oglethorpe squad

Mitchell hosts St Joes Brooklyn, could move to the winless vs d3 list with a win

Denison hosts beatable Hiram

a bubble will burst on Saturday in the UMAC when winless vs D3 Northland plays winless vs D3 Presentation
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2008, 10:46:41 AM

I thought St Joe's of Brooklyn was a provisional this year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 18, 2008, 10:52:14 AM
They're a first year provisional...the limboiest of limbo...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 18, 2008, 10:58:48 AM
Well folks, Texas Lutheran's women have a chance at revenge, as Howard Payne will travel to Seguin on February 21. Can they use the 80 point drubbing to their advantage?

Last year, TLU won one game. A two year record of 1-38 may not mean much job security.

Thankfully, none of the undefeated or winless in the men's ranks will collide this year.

This reminds me, we used to have a watch on some of the more feckless women's teams. I'll see what's out there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2008, 11:38:33 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 18, 2008, 10:58:48 AM
Well folks, Texas Lutheran's women have a chance at revenge, as Howard Payne will travel to Seguin on February 21. Can they use the 80 point drubbing to their advantage?

Last year, TLU won one game. A two year record of 1-38 may not mean much job security.

Thankfully, none of the undefeated or winless in the men's ranks will collide this year.

This reminds me, we used to have a watch on some of the more feckless women's teams. I'll see what's out there.
TLU women's athletics teams are very competitive in Soccer, VB, XC, Softball, Golf  and T&F.   :-\

(Tennis is a little weak.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2008, 04:43:43 PM
uhh this is the men's page - I think the undefeated and winless ladies should be recognized with their own home on the women's side...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 18, 2008, 05:33:24 PM
Now now, remember our tribute to the ladies of CCNY a couple of years ago when they lost to Endicott 118-6.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 19, 2008, 04:31:21 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen

Alma 65 Olivet 63     Alma comes back from 12 down at 13 min, to defeat the Comets.  Good for Alma. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 19, 2008, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: sac on January 19, 2008, 04:31:21 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen

Alma 65 Olivet 63     Alma comes back from 12 down at 13 min, to defeat the Comets.  Good for Alma. :)

Cross another one off the winless list! :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 19, 2008, 05:58:43 PM
Oh, ye o' little faith, right Sac?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 19, 2008, 07:24:56 PM
I'll freely admit I didn't see a win coming for the Scots this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 19, 2008, 08:27:31 PM
Denison got buried by Hiram today, 78-55, at home no less.  Denison is now without the services of their best player, and next takes their 0-15 record to Wooster.  It's not an understatement to say that things are not looking up for the Big Red. :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2008, 12:19:24 PM
Weekend results
Unbeaten  2 still remain
Mass Dartmouth stays unbeaten, winning over Plymouth State  84-80
Rochester stays unbeaten winning over NYU 70-54 with the big game with Brandeis today

Unbeaten vs D3   2 remain
Widener did not play
Millsaps beats Oglethorpe 103-76, plays Sewanee today
Puget Sound LOSES to Whitworth, 83-78, falling off the list!!!!!

Winless  4 remian
Alma falls off the list, upsetting Olivet!!!!!!
Colorado College loses to DePauw 98-63, plays Centre today
Denison loses to Hiram
Rockford lose to Edgewood  82-70
Lancaster Bible loses to Messiah  87-73
Mitchell Beats St Joe's of Brooklyn 75-74.  St Joe's is a first year provisional, but beause they are not listed by this site, I will not make thia an NCAA win - Mitchell moves to the winless vs D3 list.

Winless vs D3  7 remain
As noted above, Mitchell moves to this list
Blackburn loses to Westminster
MacMurray loses to Maryville
Delaware Valley loses to Manhattanville
UMPI did not play
In the battle of winless vs D3 teams, Presentation beats Northland 78-73!!!!
Franciscan wins over Chistendom, b ut stays on our list.




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ILive4This on January 20, 2008, 12:50:49 PM
No matter what the result of todays "BIG GAME" the only teams to beat Brandeis so far this season will be the only undefeated team or teams in the country.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 20, 2008, 07:21:19 PM
Cross Puget Sound off the list...they did not play well this weekend.  They had chances to win, but did not deserve to win the game.  Undefeated against D3 no more :'(....haha maybe next year :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2008, 08:43:45 PM
Besides Rochester's win, Millsaps wins by 1 over Sewanee to stay undeated vs D3, Colorado College loses to Centre to stay winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2008, 07:57:03 AM
ahhh  post number 2000 will not be controversial, only factual..

Mass Dartmouth wins the big test vs RIC

BUT  Widener crushed by Albright, 66-46 to fall off the undefeated vs D3 list.

Rochester and UMass Dartmouth remain undefeated, Millsaps is the lone undefeated vs D3 team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 23, 2008, 10:35:18 PM
So what would you guys put the odds at that Mass Dartmouth goes undefeated?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 23, 2008, 11:38:48 PM
I don't know about odds, but Mass-Dartmouth has four pretty tough games remaining:

1/26 vs. Western Connecticut
Corsairs won earlier meeting, 74-71, at W. Conn

2/6 at Tufts

2/9 at Keene State
Mass-Dartmouth won first contest, 100-97, in overtime

2/12 vs. Rhodes Island College
Corsairs won first game, 77-70, at RIC
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 24, 2008, 12:14:37 AM
If  ;D...I were a betting man.  I would have to believe that the game on 2/9 against Keene State would be the most likely to end their run.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: fcnews on January 24, 2008, 08:45:29 AM
Blackburn comes off the winless v. DIII by defeating Principia.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2008, 12:56:03 AM
Emory delivers the knockout punch, and this year's winner is Mass-Dartmouth.

Coulda got pretty long odds in Vegas on that one...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2008, 09:41:01 AM
Not only did U of R drop from the undefeated list, but the last team on our undefeated vs D3 also lost, Millsaps downed by Centre in OT

Mass Dartmouth is truly by themselves

on the winless side:

Winless (3)
Colorado College goes to 0-16, losing to Birmingham So. by 2!!

Denison at 0-16 after losing to Wooster by 40

Rockford at 0-17 losing to Wisconsin Lutheran

Lancaster Bible wins their first over Penn College  (formerly Penn Tech), moving to our winless vs D3 list


Winless vs D3  (7)Lancaster Bible joins this list

Blackburn falls off with their SLIAC win over Principia

MacMurray gets a win over non D3 Lincoln Christian, remaining on our list

Mitchell loses to Keene State by 25

Maine Presque Isle loses to Husson by only 9!!!  But stay on the list

Delaware Valley loses to FDU Florham by only 5

Northland loses to Bethany Lutheran

Franciscan loses to Waynesburg







Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2008, 04:00:23 PM

So Lincoln Christian's provisional status doesn't count as a d3 team?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 26, 2008, 05:59:35 PM
Didn't Lincoln Christian basically withdraw, though?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2008, 06:08:26 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 26, 2008, 05:59:35 PM
Didn't Lincoln Christian basically withdraw, though?
I think that is what I remember.

The sad thing about that is that they filled a lottery slot that another team could have used!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2008, 06:15:40 PM
Withdrawn, yes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2008, 07:52:39 PM

I sit corrected.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 26, 2008, 08:10:27 PM
Standing while typing is bad for your posture, anyway...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: atn alum on January 26, 2008, 10:23:47 PM
Mitchell beats Lyndon State to escape...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2008, 11:00:18 AM

THE WINLESS  (3)
Rockford loses to MSOE      How Rockford has fallen - very successful program through 2006, fell horribly in 2007, worse yet this year.  Closest game was 4 point loss to Beloit, but have been pretty much out of all others.   Best chance for a win may be Marantha Baptist, but they lost to then by 14 first time around.

Denison loses to Wabash    This team is usually at the top of the bottom group of NCAC teams - could always count on wins over Oberlin, Hiram Kenyon  -  but not yet this year.  Closest loss was 5 points at Oberlin, still get them at home

Colorado College plays at Rhodes today     This team has been on a downhill fall since 2004 when they were 15-10.  Closest loses were Friday night at Birminghan So by 2, and earlier to Hendrix in double OT.  They get Hendrix again, as well as Austin, to whom they lost by 7 the first time around.

THE WINLESS VS D3 (5)
Northland BEATS Martin Luther to get their first D3 win
Mitchell BEATS Lyndon St to get their first D3 win
MacMurray loses to Fontbonne
Maine Presque Isle loses to Maine Maritime
Delaware Valley loses to Wilkes
Franciscan  -  off this weekend
Lancaster Bible loses to Keystone   -   BY 1    :'( :'(

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 27, 2008, 11:51:23 AM
Rockford's budget issues may be affecting athletics.

Kenyon is a contender for 2nd in the NCAC this year, and Hiram and Oberlin are better. Best chance for Denison is against Earlham, I think.

Colorado College joined a good conference at the worst time.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 27, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
Didn't Colorado College make the tourney in 2004 as an Independant with a 15-10 record?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2008, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 27, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
Didn't Colorado College make the tourney in 2004 as an Independant with a 15-10 record?
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Click on the front page.   http://www.d3hoops.com/

Look down the right side rail.     

Find "Playoffs" and click on it.         (  http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/ is the URL.)

Find 2004 under the men and click.

When you get to the page, find the place where it says "pairings" and click.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/04/pairings.htm


You are right!  That is the same year that University of Dallas at 13-12 got a Pool B bid, too.

+1 for remembering that!  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2008, 04:09:05 PM
Yeah, I well-recall the grumbling (to be euphemistic!) that year as 20-win teams failed to get pool C bids!  Was that also the time that the term "Bumblin' Bs" was coined, or does that date back even further?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2008, 04:09:05 PM
Yeah, I well-recall the grumbling (to be euphemistic!) that year as 20-win teams failed to get pool C bids!  Was that also the time that the term "Bumblin' Bs" was coined, or does that date back even further?
I thought that the Bumblin' B's came from the 2002 playoffs when Cazenovia lost as a #12 seed to the #5-seed Williams, 121-49.  :)

Definitely, Bumbly!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 05:13:09 PM
Colorado College stays on the board of winless, losing today to Rhodes 88-72.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2008, 07:43:31 AM
I will proudly accept the honor of originating the term 'the Bumblin' B's' on these pages -though I don't know how long ago  -  I thought of it because a big HS rival back in the 60's were the Buzzin' Bees of Mercer (Pa) High School  when I got addicted to D3 hoops and the B Bids came out, it was a natural......  Maybe Pat could confirm in the archives??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2008, 07:34:54 AM
Delaware Valley falls off the winless vs D3 list, beating Penn State Berks last night!!!!

Maine Presque Isle CRUSHES non D3 Unity, 93-63, but stays on our winless vs D3 list

Franciscan retains it's position on our winless vs D3 list, losing to Mt Aloysius.

Undefeated  -  UMass Dartmouth

Winless  -  Rockford, Colorado College, Denison

Winless vs D3  -  Lancaster Bible, Franciscan, Maine Presque Isle, MacMurray

Note that MacMurray plays a SLIAC game vs Blackburn this Wednesday - though it's at Blackburn, Mac has a real shot at winning.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 09:24:16 PM
I felt a Denison fan deserved to deliver the news to this board, so I quoted this over from the NCAC board:

Quote from: BigRedGrad on January 30, 2008, 09:13:30 PM
BIG RED WINS!!!!

Let me repeat that...........

THE BIG RED WINS!!!!!  55-49

O-fer   O-VER

55-49 over Earlham.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2008, 09:49:41 PM
While Alma already fell off our winless list last week, I thought they deserved a shout-out for taking 11-5 Albion to OT tonite.  If they can keep that going, they may get 3-4 more wins before the season ends.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 30, 2008, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2008, 09:49:41 PM
While Alma already fell off our winless list last week, I thought they deserved a shout-out for taking 11-5 Albion to OT tonite.  If they can keep that going, they may get 3-4 more wins before the season ends.

They're running out of home games.  3 or 4 is still a big stretch.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 30, 2008, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: sac on January 30, 2008, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2008, 09:49:41 PM
While Alma already fell off our winless list last week, I thought they deserved a shout-out for taking 11-5 Albion to OT tonite.  If they can keep that going, they may get 3-4 more wins before the season ends.

They're running out of home games.  3 or 4 is still a big stretch.

Maybe they are finally hitting their stride ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 30, 2008, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 30, 2008, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: sac on January 30, 2008, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2008, 09:49:41 PM
While Alma already fell off our winless list last week, I thought they deserved a shout-out for taking 11-5 Albion to OT tonite.  If they can keep that going, they may get 3-4 more wins before the season ends.

They're running out of home games.  3 or 4 is still a big stretch.

Maybe they are finally hitting their stride ;D

Its all about the 3 ball for Alma

6-21 vs Kzoo loss
8-25 vs Calvin loss
8-24 vs Tri-State loss
15-31 vs Olivet WIN
8-26 vs Hope loss
7-25 vs Adrian loss
14-34 vs Albion overtime loss

The Scots have just 2 home games remaining, both winnable if they shoot like tonight and one of those home games is vs Tri-State who they lost to by 1.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 30, 2008, 11:11:18 PM
hmmmm...maybe it would help their cause if they passed on a few more 3's and tried to get a higher % shot?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 30, 2008, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 30, 2008, 11:11:18 PM
hmmmm...maybe it would help their cause if they passed on a few more 3's and tried to get a higher % shot?

One look at roster heights will tell you why not.....

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/mbb/roster
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2008, 01:41:52 AM
MacMurray beats Blackburn to fall off the winless vs D3 list!!!! Our lists are dwindling rapidly

Undefeated    UMass Dartmouth

Winless   Rockford,  Colorado College

Winless vs D3  Franciscan,  Lancaster Bible,  Maine Presque Isle
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 31, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
Let's take a look at how each of these teams could fall off the list:

U-Mass Dartmouth - road trip to Tufts and Keene State and a home game against Rhode Island College could mean trouble. I'd say it's a 33% chance they stay unbeaten. Conference play can be wacky, so another team could get them.

Rockford - They have a home game against Maranatha that look promising. Well, it's their most promising. i think they're hosed. 80% chance of going winless. Sad to say, but true.

Colorado College - The best chances are on the road at Sewanee and Austin. Sewanee is winless in the SCAC, but that's a road trip. 67% chance to going winless.

Franciscan - Oh, the Barons. Those provisional Barons. The pride of Steubenville. They have just three games left against D-3 members. They won't beat Thiel or Musky, but have a chance against Mt. Aloysius. A chance, I said. 75% chance of winless against D-3.

Lancaster Bible - They have four games left against D-3. But three look winnable with Marywood, Del Valley and Philly Bible on the docket. I say they'll take one of those three. 25% chance of winless vs D-3.

Maine - Presque Isle - Hoot for the Owls! Two games left against D-3. Thomas and Newbury never make anyone shake in their shoes, but I can't see the Owls doing much on these roadies. They should save up everything for the rematch against Machias. 80% chance of winless against D-3.



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2008, 12:34:09 PM
Smed  -  great writeup  -  thoroughly enjoyed!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 31, 2008, 12:45:45 PM
Great analysis!  I just can't see UMD making it all the way through conference play without a blemish...like I said earlier, my gut feeling is telling me that the away game at Keene St. will end UMD's run at perfection.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: MeOak21 on January 31, 2008, 04:31:02 PM
If anyone is looking to see a good basketball atmosphere up in New England, it won't get much better than the UMD vs. Keene St. game Feb. 9th.

Especially if UMD can hold out their undefeated streak until then.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
No changes this weekend

Mass Dartmouth wins to remain undefeated

Rockford and Colorado College lose by +20 to remain winless

Franciscan loses to Thiel, Lancaster Bible was off, UMPI hasn't posted a score yet vs Thomas     remaining winless vs D3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 04, 2008, 11:54:25 AM
The Thomas web site said the game was postponed, with a makeup date TBD.  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2008, 01:53:21 PM
perhaps a conspiracy by D3 to keep UMPI on the list a few days more!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 04, 2008, 02:33:30 PM
Or perhaps they were out of Alpo so the dog sleds couldn't make the trip!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2008, 03:13:41 PM
What would this room do without UMPI..... ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 06, 2008, 01:49:47 PM
a couple of interesting games involving our remaining teams tonight:

Undefeated UMass Dartmouth could be tested at Tufts

Winless Rockford host 7-13 Benedictine

...... possibilities ...........
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 06, 2008, 09:57:43 PM
UMD survives and remains unbeaten
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2008, 07:32:05 AM
Yikes, Winless Rockford stays that way, down to Benedictine by 35
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 08, 2008, 10:08:46 AM
Rockford is getting outscored by almost 24 points a game. Opponents are shooting over 50% from the floor, and are grabbing almost 12 more boards a game.

In looking at Rockford's stats, it looks like they've had a lot of roster turnover. They only played 9 against Benedictine, so that may be the survivors from the year.

Other than that....

(BTW, in 06 they had a winning record, then fell to 3-22 last year. Hmmmm....)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2008, 01:10:06 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 08, 2008, 10:08:46 AM
Rockford is getting outscored by almost 24 points a game. Opponents are shooting over 50% from the floor, and are grabbing almost 12 more boards a game.

In looking at Rockford's stats, it looks like they've had a lot of roster turnover. They only played 9 against Benedictine, so that may be the survivors from the year.

Other than that....

(BTW, in 06 they had a winning record, then fell to 3-22 last year. Hmmmm....)

It's tough enough to recruit when constant rumor says the coach will leave; imagine how difficult (impossible?) it is to recruit when constant rumor is that the whole school will shut down!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 08, 2008, 01:16:18 PM
Baseball and football had winning records, and their women's basketball team is doing well. I hope they've turned a corner.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 09, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
Colorado College goes down to Milsaps, remaining winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 09, 2008, 01:42:49 PM
can UMD survive tonight?  Being perfect isn't easy
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 09, 2008, 05:08:04 PM
And then there were none...UMD goes down at Keene St in OT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 09, 2008, 07:21:46 PM
As usual (it seems), the defeated last longer than the undefeated.

Pr
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2008, 09:23:51 AM
UMPI down to Newbury by 37 :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2008, 02:31:13 PM

So who's left on the lists?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 10, 2008, 03:11:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 10, 2008, 02:31:13 PM

So who's left on the lists?

The last undefeated (UMD) fell yesterday.

As for winless...I believe Rockford and Colorado College are o-fer

And Franciscan, Lancaster Bible, UMPI are still winless vs D3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2008, 06:41:47 AM
UMPI down by 27 to Thomas   :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2008, 01:39:32 PM
Come to think of it, that makes UMPI our first official 'perfect' season team - they finish their season winless vs D3  -  their loan remaining game is against non NCAA D3 Maine Machias though I note that game currently reads cancelled due to extreme weather conditions

Overall UMPI finishes 3-16 if that game is not made up, 0-14 vs D3, losing by an average of 38 points per game to D3 teams.  Remarkably their closest D3 game, a nine point loss, was against Husson, who has a pretty decent record of 14-8, 8-2 in the NAC.  No one wanted to go up to Presque Isle to play - only one D3 team, Maine Maritime, took the trip - UMPI only had 5 home games, and were 3-2 in them!!!!

Their biggest non D3 win was against Unity, by 30 points - poor Unity has finished their season at 0 - 20, and appear to be losing by an average of about 40 points per game, give or take a few

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2008, 01:44:42 PM
Rockford lost by 36 last night to Wisconsin Lutheran  - 

Rockford plays Marantha on Saturday - their best chance at a win
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 13, 2008, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 13, 2008, 01:44:42 PM
Rockford lost by 36 last night to Wisconsin Lutheran  - 

Rockford plays Marantha on Saturday - their best chance at a win

The chances are becoming mighty slim to get that win
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 17, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
Rockford lost, 98-87.  Looks likely that they clinched an 0-fer.

While they already beat Gallaudet and are not on either list, I had great hopes that Caltech had broken their 24-year conference winless streak.  They took LaVerne to OT, and the guru himself posted on the SCIAC board that they WON, 80-74!  Alas, a short time later he posted that they had reversed the score on their website, then posted that he phoned and confirmed the bad news - the techers lost #63,247 (slight exaggeration) in a row.  Dang!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 17, 2008, 08:33:59 AM
One day...Caltech will walk off the floor with a conference win. One day...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 17, 2008, 04:13:02 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 17, 2008, 08:33:59 AM
One day...Caltech will walk off the floor with a conference win. One day...

They are getting close.  You have to give Coach Dow lots of credit.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2008, 09:45:44 PM
Colorado College of the SCAC took it on the chin for the 22nd time this season losing to Austin College this past Saturday.  Two chances left to break into the victory column - Friday night at home against Southwestern (TX) and Saturday evening at home against Trinity (TX).  Best shot for a win is probably Friday night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 18, 2008, 11:20:03 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2008, 09:45:44 PM
Colorado College of the SCAC took it on the chin for the 22nd time this season losing to Austin College this past Saturday.  Two chances left to break into the victory column - Friday night at home against Southwestern (TX) and Saturday evening at home against Trinity (TX).  Best shot for a win is probably Friday night.

Ouch...possible, yes...probable, do pigs fly?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2008, 01:23:30 AM
Doesn't Colorado College take part in the postseason D3 West Region Independent tournament, along with Nebraska Wesleyan, UC-Santa Cruz, and Chapman? If so, then there's going to be at least one other opportunity for the Tigers to win a game this season -- although it would most likely mean beating NebWes on the home court of the Prairie Wolves, which I don't see happening (to say the least).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2008, 01:26:20 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2008, 01:23:30 AM
Doesn't Colorado College take part in the postseason D3 West Region Independent tournament, along with Nebraska Wesleyan, UC-Santa Cruz, and Chapman? If so, then there's going to be at least one other opportunity for the Tigers to win a game this season -- although it would most likely mean beating NebWes on the home court of the Prairie Wolves, which I don't see happening (to say the least).
Actually, Colorado College is in 6th place in the SCAC-West.

I think that UDallas is the 4th team in the West Region Independents Tournament.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2008, 01:31:54 AM
D'oh! I forgot that Colorado College has abandoned the life of an indie and joined a conference this year.

[Emily Litella]

Nevermind!

[/Emily Litella]
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 19, 2008, 02:53:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2008, 01:26:20 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2008, 01:23:30 AM
Doesn't Colorado College take part in the postseason D3 West Region Independent tournament, along with Nebraska Wesleyan, UC-Santa Cruz, and Chapman? If so, then there's going to be at least one other opportunity for the Tigers to win a game this season -- although it would most likely mean beating NebWes on the home court of the Prairie Wolves, which I don't see happening (to say the least).
Actually, Colorado College is in 6th place in the SCAC-West.


Maybe all this traveling to conference games has just made Col College to road weary :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 19, 2008, 02:55:21 AM
Now that I think of it...why did they just schedule UC-Santa Cruz.  They seem to be looking for games since they will play Whitworth and Whitman twice.  They will play anybody   :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 21, 2008, 02:03:04 PM
well, the season winds down and a couple of our remaining teams made valient efforts in the last several days, but failed to leap off our list.

As noted earlier, UMPI finishes their season winless vs D3

Franciscan is the 2nd team to end their season winless vs D3, losing to Mt Alousius by only 6

Lancaster Bible loses to Marywood by one  -  but has one more opportunity to get off the winless vs D3 list when they play Philly Bible on Friday.
Note, Philly Bible is 3-19!!!!

Rockford at 0-24 has one game left - with Edgewood

Colorado College at 0-22 has Southwestern and Trinity at home this weekend.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 21, 2008, 04:06:41 PM
winless VS. D3 is bad...but not nearly as bad as going O-fer for the entire year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 22, 2008, 11:47:19 PM
Colorado College UP by 1 w/ 1:29 remaining!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 22, 2008, 11:51:29 PM
OUCH!  Colorado College 71, Southwestern 72.  So close! :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 11:57:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 22, 2008, 11:51:29 PM
OUCH!  Colorado College 71, Southwestern 72.  So close! :(
When you haven't won it's tough to figure it out down the stretch.  CC had a lead of 7-9 points in last 5+ minutes, but just couldn't get the ball in the basket when it counted.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 23, 2008, 01:51:53 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 11:57:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 22, 2008, 11:51:29 PM
OUCH!  Colorado College 71, Southwestern 72.  So close! :(
When you haven't won it's tough to figure it out down the stretch.  CC had a lead of 7-9 points in last 5+ minutes, but just couldn't get the ball in the basket when it counted.

True...they don't know how to capture a game and win it
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2008, 11:28:01 AM
Lancaster Bible wins over Philly Bible  63 - 59!!!!!!!!!  With the win, they fall off the winless vs D3 list!!!

The season ends with 2 on the 'coveted' list :
this room's favorite team  Maine Presque Isle   and Franciscan U

The winless list of two  (how sad for Colorado College), CC and Rockford, both have one game remaining, with victory highly unlikely....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 23, 2008, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2008, 11:28:01 AM
Lancaster Bible wins over Philly Bible  63 - 59!!!!!!!!!  With the win, they fall off the winless vs D3 list!!!

The season ends with 2 on the 'coveted' list :
this room's favorite team  Maine Presque Isle   and Franciscan U

The winless list of two  (how sad for Colorado College), CC and Rockford, both have one game remaining, with victory highly unlikely....

Thats great to hear...their last game of the year and they pull off a win! :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 23, 2008, 11:44:41 AM
We may have busted the budget for plaques this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2008, 10:45:05 AM
Rockford finishes at an imperfect 0-25, losing to Edgewood, 80-66

Colorado College finishes 0-24, losing to Trinity Texas, 69-63

Not sure of Colorado College's streak as their results of 06-07 did not come up on their site or this site, but Rockford lost their last 9 in 06-07, and are therefore sitting on a 34 game losing streak.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2008, 11:41:11 AM
Well folks, it's a wrap-  I enjoyed following our perfect and imperfect teams through the season, though was disappointed that the traffic diminished towards the end of the year - I guess it's to be expected as interest zooms in the conference standings and B and C pools!!!!

Franciscan, Colorado College, Rockford, and especially UMPI  -  hang in there  -  we love ya - you have acheived something of a cult status on these pages!!

BRING ON 08-09!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 24, 2008, 01:45:35 PM
Well only 2 winless teams isn't too bad! 

Maybe next year there can be a few more undefeated teams deeper into the season.  I did enjoy keeping tabs on UMD.

Looking forward to this board next season!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2008, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 24, 2008, 10:45:05 AM
Rockford finishes at an imperfect 0-25, losing to Edgewood, 80-66

Colorado College finishes 0-24, losing to Trinity Texas, 69-63

Not sure of Colorado College's streak as their results of 06-07 did not come up on their site or this site, but Rockford lost their last 9 in 06-07, and are therefore sitting on a 34 game losing streak.
Colorado College beat UC Santa Cruz in the last game of the 2007 season.

CC 79, UCSC 63 (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/USCS/mens/2007)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2008, 09:20:16 PM

If UMPI played a full NAC schedule, it would be hard not to win a game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 25, 2008, 11:28:24 PM
Well, there IS Wheelock.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2008, 11:32:51 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 25, 2008, 11:28:24 PM
Well, there IS Wheelock.
Except that Wheelock is moving to the NECC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 26, 2008, 08:26:58 AM
D'oh!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gatoradio on March 01, 2008, 11:13:26 PM
Not sure if anyone had been tracking this on the ladies side of things, but Wilson (PA) who joined the NEAC this year went a perfect 0-25 (0-16) this year.  Looking back through their stats, they've only won 5 conference games in the last 5 seasons, drawing blanks in 3 of those years.  I guess you do the best you can when your college has a full-time enrollment of 396 students, right?  Best wishes to the Phoenix in '08-'09!

On the opposite side of the spectrum, it appears that 3 teams have made it through the womens season without a blemish.  They include #1 Hope (27-0, 16-0 in the MIAA), #2 Howard Payne (27-0, 21-0 in the ASC), and #3 Thomas Moore (28-0, 21-0 in the PrAC). 

Howard Payne is not out of the water yet, however, as it faces #8 McMurray (24-3, 19-2) in the ASC final on Sunday 3/2.  C'mon Yellow Jackets, you can win one more!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on March 02, 2008, 08:49:35 AM
Thanks Gatorguy - I knew the three women's teams were undefeated, and had been wondering about the winless.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2008, 09:16:26 AM
I'm assuming this Saturday, the 15th, is the unofficial start of the new season, so...

GET YOUR SURVIVOR PICKS IN BY SATURDAY, NOV. 15TH!!  PASS THE WORD AROUND!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2008, 10:02:46 AM
Wash St L Bears!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on November 11, 2008, 10:42:25 AM
Looking at the schedules, I'm going to take Buena Vista. They've got a schedule set up for a long unbeaten run.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 11, 2008, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 10, 2008, 09:16:26 AM
I'm assuming this Saturday, the 15th, is the unofficial start of the new season, so...

I thought real games started the following week?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 11, 2008, 11:10:46 AM

I'll go out on a limb and take the Tommies.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 11, 2008, 04:04:55 PM
i think have to take hope colledge
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on November 11, 2008, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: pabegg on November 11, 2008, 10:42:25 AM
Looking at the schedules, I'm going to take Buena Vista. They've got a schedule set up for a long unbeaten run.

I would have taken Buena Vista if I hadn't been beat to the punch.

My official pick will be Mary-Hardin Baylor. They did me proud last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HopeConvert on November 11, 2008, 04:55:01 PM
Assuming April doesn't have Wheaton, I'll take them. Otherwise I'll take Gettysburg.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 11, 2008, 05:17:08 PM
I'll take Brandeis
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 11, 2008, 05:21:54 PM
I got Puget Sound
My pick is a total homer...but I wouldn't have it any other way!   :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 07:43:05 PM
What the heck - I'll be a homer, too!  IWU

(I'm probably dead by Dec. 6 when they play at WashU, but IF they survive that, and a home date against Chicago on the 19th, they should be good 'til CCIW play in January.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 11, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 07:43:05 PM
What the heck - I'll be a homer, too!  IWU

(I'm probably dead by Dec. 6 when they play at WashU, but IF they survive that, and a home date against Chicago on the 19th, they should be good 'til CCIW play in January.)

What are the odds they go unbeaten?  :D ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: sac on November 11, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 07:43:05 PM
What the heck - I'll be a homer, too!  IWU

(I'm probably dead by Dec. 6 when they play at WashU, but IF they survive that, and a home date against Chicago on the 19th, they should be good 'til CCIW play in January.)

What are the odds they go unbeaten?  :D ;)

"About one in a million."

"Oh, so you're saying they have a chance."

;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2008, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on November 11, 2008, 04:55:01 PM
Assuming April doesn't have Wheaton, I'll take them. Otherwise I'll take Gettysburg.

Once a team is taken, doesn't mean you can't have that team as well...If you want Wheaton, go ahead, even if April takes Wheaton too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 11, 2008, 11:51:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: sac on November 11, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 07:43:05 PM
What the heck - I'll be a homer, too!  IWU

(I'm probably dead by Dec. 6 when they play at WashU, but IF they survive that, and a home date against Chicago on the 19th, they should be good 'til CCIW play in January.)

What are the odds they go unbeaten?  :D ;)

"About one in a million."

"Oh, so you're saying they have a chance."

;D

Love that clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA&feature=related

this one cracked me up to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDLoT5sWOmE&feature=related

genius, pure genius  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: wooscotsfan on November 12, 2008, 12:04:49 AM
Reflecting my bias, I will take Wooster :)    ....even though they face #7 UW-Platteville, a likely matchup with #14 Randolph Macon in a tournament championship game and a D2 school (Hawaii-Hilo) on the road during their first 5 weeks of the season. ::)

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 12, 2008, 01:30:55 AM
I'll take a chance on a longshot and go with Cortland State. They face a tough Ithaca team right off the bat, and then play 4 straight road games but they should be the best team in the SUNYAC conference this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2008, 01:39:04 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 12, 2008, 01:30:55 AM
I'll take a chance on a longshot and go with Cortland State. They face a tough Ithaca team right off the bat, and then play 4 straight road games but they should be the best team in the SUNYAC conference this year.

Truly a noble choice, immediately before the Cortaca Jug! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 12, 2008, 02:12:24 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 07:43:05 PM
What the heck - I'll be a homer, too!  IWU

(I'm probably dead by Dec. 6 when they play at WashU, but IF they survive that, and a home date against Chicago on the 19th, they should be good 'til CCIW play in January.)

Hey its tough to pick against your "home" team!  :)
We are already rooting for them...why not make it a bit more interesting
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 12, 2008, 02:47:59 AM
I'll take Centre...  even though they LOST their first game last year...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 12, 2008, 05:23:22 PM

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 10, 2008, 09:16:26 AM
I'm assuming this Saturday, the 15th, is the unofficial start of the new season, so...

Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 11, 2008, 11:08:09 AM
I thought real games started the following week?

I saw that MIAC, WIAC, CCIW, MWC and NathCon regular season games start this week.  I have all those conferences bookmarked, so I would assume the rest of the nation, as a whole, also starts this week...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on November 12, 2008, 05:33:48 PM
Nothing unofficial about it, Tom.

11/15 is now, and forever will be (until the rules change again), the first day of the D3 basketball season. No more guessing which Friday night the season starts as in the past, from here on out it will be the 15th regardless of the day of the week.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2008, 06:07:08 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2008, 10:02:46 AM
Wash St L Bears!

I don't think it'll happen, but I hope that you're the first one out of the contest, Ralph. No offense. ;)

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 07:43:05 PM
What the heck - I'll be a homer, too!  IWU

(I'm probably dead by Dec. 6 when they play at WashU, but IF they survive that, and a home date against Chicago on the 19th, they should be good 'til CCIW play in January.)

Think again, O Wizard of Washtenaw County! Take a good look at the three other teams in that Northwood (FL) tournament in which your Titans will be participating on Dec. 29 and 30.

Quote from: PointSpecial on November 12, 2008, 02:47:59 AM
I'll take Centre...  even though they LOST their first game last year...

Risky. The Colonels will open the season at Franklin on Saturday, and the Grizzlies are supposed to be pretty good this year. Then on Tuesday the Colonels are at Maryville (TN), and Murvul is always a very tough place to earn a road win.

As for me, I'm gonna roll the dice and take St. Mary's (MD).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2008, 08:44:05 PM
I'll go with St. Thomas (Doebler)...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2008, 10:42:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2008, 06:07:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 07:43:05 PM
What the heck - I'll be a homer, too!  IWU

(I'm probably dead by Dec. 6 when they play at WashU, but IF they survive that, and a home date against Chicago on the 19th, they should be good 'til CCIW play in January.)

Think again, O Wizard of Washtenaw County! Take a good look at the three other teams in that Northwood (FL) tournament in which your Titans will be participating on Dec. 29 and 30.

While I'm way too stubborn to cede D3 superiority to you (despite all evidence to the contrary ;)), I'll readily yield on other classifications.  I took a look at the other teams, recognized none of them, and figured we're cool.  I take it one or more of them is a D2 or NAIA-1 powerhouse?

I expect we'll go down in St. Louie on the 6th (but we've surprised them before), and will be the underdogs against Chicago on the 19th (but, hey, the only IWU game I've seen in 39 years was a WIN over Chicago ;D), so I'll stick with the Titans surviving until the CCIW starts. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Titan Q on November 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2008, 10:42:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2008, 06:07:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 07:43:05 PM
What the heck - I'll be a homer, too!  IWU

(I'm probably dead by Dec. 6 when they play at WashU, but IF they survive that, and a home date against Chicago on the 19th, they should be good 'til CCIW play in January.)

Think again, O Wizard of Washtenaw County! Take a good look at the three other teams in that Northwood (FL) tournament in which your Titans will be participating on Dec. 29 and 30.

While I'm way too stubborn to cede D3 superiority to you (despite all evidence to the contrary ;)), I'll readily yield on other classifications.  I took a look at the other teams, recognized none of them, and figured we're cool.  I take it one or more of them is a D2 or NAIA-1 powerhouse?

I expect we'll go down in St. Louie on the 6th (but we've surprised them before), and will be the underdogs against Chicago on the 19th (but, hey, the only IWU game I've seen in 39 years was a WIN over Chicago ;D), so I'll stick with the Titans surviving until the CCIW starts. ;)

Chuck, St. Xavier is a very good NAIA D1 program.

Northwood U., coached by Rollie Massimino, is ranked #4 is NAIA D2.  They have transfers from Seton Hall, George Washington, and Providence and have 3 players 7-0 or taller.  The Titans might be a slight favorite vs St. Xavier, but they are a big underdog vs Northwood...

http://seahawks.gonorthwood.com/mbasketball/roster/
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
Thanks, Bob.

Let me get this straight.  Northwood has Rollie Massimino (with a D1 national championship) and THREE 7-footers, and they're FOURTH in NAIA-TWO?? ??? :o

Oh, well, we're not facing #ONE. :D

My green-tinted goggles say we'll take 'em somehow! ;D

[You can slip some of our guys (fast-acting) HGH, can't you? ;)]

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2008, 01:11:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
Thanks, Bob.

Let me get this straight.  Northwood has Rollie Massimino (with a D1 national championship) and THREE 7-footers, and they're FOURTH in NAIA-TWO?? ??? :o

Oh, well, we're not facing #ONE. :D

My green-tinted goggles say we'll take 'em somehow! ;D

[You can slip some of our guys (fast-acting) HGH, can't you? ;)]

Chuck, you're not just drinking the green Kool-Aid. This time you fell into the vat. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2008, 01:18:50 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2008, 01:11:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
Thanks, Bob.

Let me get this straight.  Northwood has Rollie Massimino (with a D1 national championship) and THREE 7-footers, and they're FOURTH in NAIA-TWO?? ??? :o

Oh, well, we're not facing #ONE. :D

My green-tinted goggles say we'll take 'em somehow! ;D

[You can slip some of our guys (fast-acting) HGH, can't you? ;)]

Chuck, you're not just drinking the green Kool-Aid. This time you fell into the vat. :D

Now, now, depends on whether Q can produce the HGH. ;)

We've (occasionally) overcome worse odds.  Besides, I figure my pick will be dead long before Florida! ;D 

[You're just too chicken to be a 'homer'! :D]
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2008, 01:19:54 AM
The only homerism to which I've ever cared to lay claim is the one at the bottom of my post, Chuck.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 14, 2008, 01:34:37 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2008, 06:07:08 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 12, 2008, 02:47:59 AM
I'll take Centre...  even though they LOST their first game last year...

Risky. The Colonels will open the season at Franklin on Saturday, and the Grizzlies are supposed to be pretty good this year. Then on Tuesday the Colonels are at Maryville (TN), and Murvul is always a very tough place to earn a road win.

I like to live dangerously, what can I say?  All I know is that these guys had the longest winning streak last year, and I didn't see too many world beaters on the schedule...  WhichEVER team is the survivor will need to have some balls bounce their way... and I'm pulling for those balls to bounce a little more to the Centre than off to the (other) side...

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2008, 01:19:54 AM
The only homerism to which I've ever cared to lay claim is the one at the bottom of my post, Chuck.

LOL!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 14, 2008, 03:01:25 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM
Chuck, St. Xavier is a very good NAIA D1 program.


Usually, but this score should raise a brow.......Cornerstone(naia II) 82 St. Xavier 66, along with a 2-2 start I'm not sure this is the usual St X.   Two wins are over Silver Lake College and the dubious Purdue Calumet.

To be fare C'stone is 4-0 and reportedly excellent.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2008, 04:34:42 AM
Quote from: sac on November 14, 2008, 03:01:25 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM
Chuck, St. Xavier is a very good NAIA D1 program.


Usually, but this score should raise a brow.......Cornerstone(naia II) 82 St. Xavier 66, along with a 2-2 start I'm not sure this is the usual St X.   Two wins are over Silver Lake College and the dubious Purdue Calumet.

To be fare C'stone is 4-0 and reportedly excellent.

That's actually Calumet College of St. Joseph that St. Xavier beat by ten points last week, not Purdue-Calumet. Same conference, different school, different town. CCSJ is 1-4, and the only win for the Crimson Wave thus far was a six-point triumph over an Indiana-Northwest team that is annually among the most awful teams in all of college basketball. A coach I know who has seen CCSJ play this year says that the Crimson Wave is not very good at all. Silver Lake? It's a USCAA outfit that's 0-3 thus far; the day before the Lakers lost to St. Xavier by 20 they lost to Trinity Christian by 50 points, 92-42. (The Trolls lost to Cornerstone by 13 in the TCC tourney's championship game.) Needless to say, Silver Lake does not appear to be a top-of-the-line small college outfit, either. Carthage's Steve Djurickovic might set a single-game school scoring record when the Red Men visit the Lakers a week from Wednesday in Manitowoc.

Bottom line, those were not impressive wins by SXU. But the season is still very young if you're an NAIA team like the Cougars.

St. Xavier doesn't look very big. The Cougars start three guards, plus a 6'6, 200 swingman and a 6'5, 225 senior transfer at center who is on his fourth college already. ??? C'stone center Matt Kingshott blistered the Cougars with 23 points and 16 rebounds. My guess is that big and physical teams are probably too much for SXU to handle. We'll see how IWU fits that bill, I guess.

As far as the teams that beat SXU are concerned, both Indiana Wesleyan and Cornerstone appear to be pretty good NAIA-2 teams. You're right, though, that these are teams that normally don't shellack St. Xavier by 27 and 16 points, respectively.

Missouri Baptist doesn't look all that impressive at first blush, either. The Spartans have played their first two games at home and are 1-1, with the win being a four-point triumph over the mighty Spinal Crackers of Logan Chiropractic College, that club team that is so famed in song and story over in the SLIAC room.

But I'll stick with the contention Bob and I share that tourney host Northwood (FL) will be a huge obstacle (both literally and figuratively) to any chance that Illinois Wesleyan has to enter January with an undefeated record.

By the way, I'm interested in seeing what sort of career SXU freshman Zach Opheim has. I remember watching his father Craig star for Carthage back in the '80s on some pretty dismal Redmen teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 14, 2008, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2008, 01:11:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
Thanks, Bob.

Let me get this straight.  Northwood has Rollie Massimino (with a D1 national championship) and THREE 7-footers, and they're FOURTH in NAIA-TWO?? ??? :o

Oh, well, we're not facing #ONE. :D

My green-tinted goggles say we'll take 'em somehow! ;D

[You can slip some of our guys (fast-acting) HGH, can't you? ;)]

Chuck, you're not just drinking the green Kool-Aid. This time you fell into the vat. :D
And somebody added a bottle or two of Wild Turkey
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2008, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 14, 2008, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2008, 01:11:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
Thanks, Bob.

Let me get this straight.  Northwood has Rollie Massimino (with a D1 national championship) and THREE 7-footers, and they're FOURTH in NAIA-TWO?? ??? :o

Oh, well, we're not facing #ONE. :D

My green-tinted goggles say we'll take 'em somehow! ;D

[You can slip some of our guys (fast-acting) HGH, can't you? ;)]

Chuck, you're not just drinking the green Kool-Aid. This time you fell into the vat. :D
And somebody added a bottle or two of Wild Turkey

Any wonder that I dove (not fell) into the vat?! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Titan Q on November 14, 2008, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: sac on November 14, 2008, 03:01:25 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM
Chuck, St. Xavier is a very good NAIA D1 program.


Usually, but this score should raise a brow.......Cornerstone(naia II) 82 St. Xavier 66, along with a 2-2 start I'm not sure this is the usual St X.   Two wins are over Silver Lake College and the dubious Purdue Calumet.

To be fare C'stone is 4-0 and reportedly excellent.

Agreed, sac and Greg....which is why I subtlely used the word "program."  SXU is a very strong NAIA I program that appears to be headed for a down season.  In my IWU preview piece I said :
 
"The Titans will once again face a tough slate during the non-conference portion of the schedule, but maybe not as tough as year's past due to a few traditionally strong programs being a bit down.  For example, NAIA St. Xavier is not ranked in the NAIA D1 preseason poll, while Olivet Nazarene is just #25 (both have been Top 15 teams in recent years).  Also, Hanover is in its first season under new head coach Jon Miller and won't look like those powerhouse Panther teams the Titans faced a few years ago."

http://www.iwuhoops.com/prev09.htm

But usually teams like that are still tough to beat on a given night because they have plenty of good players (SXU has a lot of kids pursued by CCIW schools the last few years) and are well coached.  Illinois Wesleyan was way down in 2006-07, for example, but still gave CCIW champion Augustana all it could handle twice that season. 

My parents are SXU season ticket holders who go to every home game.  Because of that, they've seen Cornerstone every season for about the last 10 years now.  My dad told me after the recent SXU/Cornerstone game that this C-stone team is nowhere near some of those great teams of recent years.  He feels they are just average, relative to where they usually are.  We'll see how they do vs Hope and Calvin - not that anyone really knows what to make of the two MIAA powers this season yet.

Bottom line as it applies to IWU and that Northwood U. tournament in December, I consider the Titans a favorite vs SXU, but certainly will not be surprised if it is a tough game.  As for Northwood, I have that chalked up as a probable "L" as I look at IWU's 11-game non-conference slate and try to project what I think a good record will be.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2008, 12:59:43 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 13, 2008, 08:44:05 PM
I'll go with St. Thomas (Doebler)...



Copycat.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 15, 2008, 02:54:55 AM
.......where were we?


After carefull consideration (throwing darts, reading tea leaves, picking names out of hats and just generally guessing blindly)

I'll take..........  Mary Hardin-Baylor

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2008, 03:33:24 AM
I didn't even know you picked them, honestly!  I actually had to scroll back and see when you posted your pick and it was one of the first ones.  Oops!  Oh well.  Maybe we'll both win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2008, 11:58:16 AM
Not a lot of entrants this year...

multiple posters can have the same team.

Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor (you can have BV instead if you want)
HopeCovert:  Wheaton (?) (or Gettysburg?)
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland State
Point Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HopeConvert on November 16, 2008, 10:43:40 AM
Wheaton has the better team, Gettysburg the better schedule. I'll go with Gettysburg.

Q: I think we'll have a better idea of the two main MIAA powers come December 6. I don't see Hope doing to Wheaton what it did twice last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on November 16, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
If it is not too late to enter this year, I'll select Ithaca.

Best of luck to all.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2008, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: unbearable on November 16, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
If it is not too late to enter this year, I'll select Ithaca.

Best of luck to all.

You're good
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2008, 05:30:57 PM
Wash U 86, NPU 64  Whoooooo!  I was sweating that one!   ;)    :D    ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2008, 08:45:02 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 15, 2008, 03:33:24 AM
I didn't even know you picked them, honestly!  I actually had to scroll back and see when you posted your pick and it was one of the first ones.  Oops!  Oh well.  Maybe we'll both win.

We'll have to come up with some tiebreaker if it gets close.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 20, 2008, 11:58:45 AM
Brandeis & MHB both lost last night.  sac, CHN - can't beleive we're done already.  Anybody know which game got done first.  I hope it was 'Deis - if I'm going to be bad I want to shoot for being the baddest.   ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 20, 2008, 01:00:54 PM
This is a humiliating defeat.  I think I won this recently.  :-\


FDF, I've seen you in shorts..........being baddest is sewn up.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2008, 06:08:54 PM

The Brandeis game was over quite early, so I think you're safe on that one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2008, 08:05:24 PM
You guys forgot one important thing in checking the schedules: my pick hasn't played yet and is therefore still alive! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 20, 2008, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2008, 06:07:08 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 12, 2008, 02:47:59 AM
I'll take Centre...  even though they LOST their first game last year...

Risky. The Colonels will open the season at Franklin on Saturday, and the Grizzlies are supposed to be pretty good this year. Then on Tuesday the Colonels are at Maryville (TN), and Murvul is always a very tough place to earn a road win.

Whew... two wins by 2 points each and I'm still alive!!  Bodes well for me... 2 of Centre's 3 losses were in the first few games last year!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2008, 02:46:38 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 20, 2008, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2008, 06:07:08 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 12, 2008, 02:47:59 AM
I'll take Centre...  even though they LOST their first game last year...

Risky. The Colonels will open the season at Franklin on Saturday, and the Grizzlies are supposed to be pretty good this year. Then on Tuesday the Colonels are at Maryville (TN), and Murvul is always a very tough place to earn a road win.

Whew... two wins by 2 points each and I'm still alive!!  Bodes well for me... 2 of Centre's 3 losses were in the first few games last year!

If Tom is handing out a Living On The Edge Award in the survivor pool, you're our early leader for it, PS. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 21, 2008, 09:01:58 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 20, 2008, 06:08:54 PM

The Brandeis game was over quite early, so I think you're safe on that one.

Victory, no that can't be right...

I'm the Quickest Loser!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 21, 2008, 09:14:54 AM
Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert:  Wheaton (?) (or Gettysburg?)
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland State
Point Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HopeConvert on November 21, 2008, 11:51:44 AM
P. 98: I committed myself to Gettysburg.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 22, 2008, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 21, 2008, 09:14:54 AM
Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert:  Wheaton (?) (or Gettysburg?)
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland State
Point Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor



I love these updates!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 22, 2008, 08:06:58 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 21, 2008, 09:14:54 AM
Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert:  Wheaton (?) (or Gettysburg?)
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland State
Point Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor



Tom
As much as I would like to still be alive, Cortland State got beat by Ithaca on Nov. 15
80-56. Flying Dutch Fan, Sac, and Chicago Hope Nut will have to wait till next year to claim the booby prize. I, unfortunately, have that honor this year. I was hung up between choosing as my team either Cortland St. or Ithaca. Knowing both teams returned a large number of starters from last year I figured the winner of that Nov. 15th matchup might have a chance to go on a decent roll and living in a SUNYAC city I made a semi-homer pick and chose Cortland. I should have done what "unbearable" did and waited till that game was over and then choose Ithaca. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2008, 11:10:29 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2008, 02:46:38 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 20, 2008, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2008, 06:07:08 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 12, 2008, 02:47:59 AM
I'll take Centre...  even though they LOST their first game last year...

Risky. The Colonels will open the season at Franklin on Saturday, and the Grizzlies are supposed to be pretty good this year. Then on Tuesday the Colonels are at Maryville (TN), and Murvul is always a very tough place to earn a road win.

Whew... two wins by 2 points each and I'm still alive!!  Bodes well for me... 2 of Centre's 3 losses were in the first few games last year!

If Tom is handing out a Living On The Edge Award in the survivor pool, you're our early leader for it, PS. ;)

The Edge crumbled - Centre fell to Transy tonight.  By 2. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2008, 12:34:16 AM

Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert: Gettysburg
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland StatePoint Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 23, 2008, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2008, 11:10:29 PM
Centre fell to Transy tonight.  By 2. ;)


How fitting...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on November 23, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
Magicman,

I wasn't trying to pull a fast one, I just have been very busy at work and with family and I didn't get my pick in on time.  I do try to make a pick every year.  (Remember Coast Guard Academy!)  All along, I have thought that Ithaca has the horses to do what St. John Fisher did in the E8 a few years ago.

As a SUNYAC guy, as much as it pains me to say this, I was far more worried about Ithaca getting through the Rochester tournament than I was against Cortland. 

If I were to win, I promise I'll split the big prize with you so there are no hard feelings.

To stay true to form, I'm also picking Oklahoma to crush Texas Tech in football.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 28, 2008, 10:52:37 PM
Puget Sound wins against Dominican...staying alive  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2008, 11:42:52 PM
Dodged another one! (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/GAME4.HTM)

WUSTL 97, Aurora 89 OT
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2008, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: LogShow on November 28, 2008, 10:52:37 PM
Puget Sound wins against Dominican...staying alive  :)

That's not the D3 Dominican (which is located in Chicago's suburbs), for those of you who keep track of such things. Puget Sound beat Dominican (CA), which is an NAIA-2 school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 29, 2008, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2008, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: LogShow on November 28, 2008, 10:52:37 PM
Puget Sound wins against Dominican...staying alive  :)

That's not the D3 Dominican (which is located in Chicago's suburbs), for those of you who keep track of such things. Puget Sound beat Dominican (CA), which is an NAIA-2 school.

It wonders me if any of the many Dominican venues,* college and high school, bear the nickname of "Inquisitors."   ::)
----------------------------------------

* Are there more Dominicans than there are Concordias?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2008, 03:16:40 PM
There are as many Concordias as there are grains of sand on the beach.

Dominicans are more like seashells. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2008, 10:48:54 PM
Help me out guys, anyone else lose> :-)  Thanks!

Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert: Gettysburg
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland StatePoint Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2008, 10:53:02 PM
BV lost to GAC 58-62 (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/BVU/mens/2009)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 30, 2008, 02:39:27 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2008, 10:48:54 PM
Help me out guys, anyone else lose> :-)  Thanks!

Hope lost to Aquinas 58-46
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on November 30, 2008, 08:21:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2008, 10:53:02 PM
BV lost to GAC 58-62 (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/BVU/mens/2009)
Yeah, I kind of doomed them by picking them.

Now I can root for Ralph's pick, my alma mater WashU (who I figured would lose to Augie). Two overtime wins and a 2-point win mean this team is living on the edge.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2008, 10:40:14 AM
Hoops Fan,

Since we picked the same team, who's your tie-breaker team?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: cardinalpride on November 30, 2008, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2008, 10:48:54 PM
Help me out guys, anyone else lose> :-)  Thanks!

Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert: Gettysburg
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland StatePoint Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor


Is it too late to get in the survivor pool?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 30, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2008, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: LogShow on November 28, 2008, 10:52:37 PM
Puget Sound wins against Dominican...staying alive  :)

That's not the D3 Dominican (which is located in Chicago's suburbs), for those of you who keep track of such things. Puget Sound beat Dominican (CA), which is an NAIA-2 school.

I might have made that mistake when I used google to find some info out on them before Puget Sound played them...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2008, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 30, 2008, 10:40:14 AM
Hoops Fan,

Since we picked the same team, who's your tie-breaker team?

I'll jump on Amherst for the tiebreaker.  Sure they had a close call with Skidmore, but they don't seem to have too many games until January.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 02, 2008, 11:42:24 AM
I'll go with a team I've taken in the past...

Worcester Polytech!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2008, 10:42:24 PM
Ouch - I'm gone: NAIA power Olivet Nazarene tops IWU.

Dang, I was looking forward to a head-to-head with Ralph on Saturday.  Well, I'm still gonna say that IWU takes out his Bears! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2008, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 02, 2008, 11:42:24 AM
I'll go with a team I've taken in the past...

Worcester Polytech!


Good.  Your tiebreaker could be gone by the end of the week.  WPI has looked shaky so far and Salem State is playing well right now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2008, 09:53:35 PM
Salem State  73
No. 17 Worcester Polytech  69

Oops!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 06, 2008, 12:53:22 PM
Ahh, Puget Sound, up by 2, gives up a 3 pointers with 11 seconds left and goes down to Warner Pacific.  Bummer...still haven't lost to a D3 though :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2008, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2008, 10:48:54 PM
Help me out guys, anyone else lose> :-)  Thanks!

Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert: Gettysburg lost to Ursinus 82-53 on Sat Dec 6th
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound lost to (NAIA) Warner Pacific 95-98
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU lost to Wash U 86-93, after losing to Olivet Nazarene earlier
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland StatePoint Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor



Another one bites the dust...actually two and a half!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2008, 07:36:56 PM
Looks like it's down to you, me, Tom, and Hoops Fan, Ralph.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on December 06, 2008, 07:59:42 PM
Don't forget me!  Ithaca is still 6-0.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2008, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2008, 07:36:56 PM
Looks like it's down to you, me, Tom, and Hoops Fan, Ralph.

Wow, this is by far the best I've done in all the years we've been doing this.  I'm not sure I've ever made the top ten, plus I already won the tiebreaker with OS, so I'm top three.

The whole world is up side down.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HopeConvert on December 06, 2008, 11:48:33 PM
Shoulda stuck with Wheaton.  >:(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 09, 2008, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2008, 07:36:56 PM
Looks like it's down to you, me, Tom, and Hoops Fan, Ralph.

I still got a foot in the door right? Puget Sound has lost to NAIA and D2 but not D3 yet  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: April on December 09, 2008, 04:13:58 PM
Can I retroactively pick Wheaton??  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 10, 2008, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: unbearable on November 16, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
If it is not too late to enter this year, I'll select Ithaca.

Best of luck to all.

Noted.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on December 10, 2008, 02:41:58 PM
Hey it was worth a shot  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2008, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: April on December 09, 2008, 04:13:58 PM
Can I retroactively pick Wheaton??

I'm ok with it, but because you came to it late, Wheaton has to be the last team in d3 to lose in order for you to win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: April on December 13, 2008, 01:25:13 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 10, 2008, 09:58:50 AM
Where you been, April?  :-*  ??? ;)
Well, see, I had a life for the past two years, but thanks to the magical powers of dumb guys, I am back to not having one again. :P

HoopsFan, your idea seems somewhat unrealistic given the CCIW sched, but most of our hard away games are later, so I guess I have a chance... and I'll take what I can get I guess. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 13, 2008, 02:35:40 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 10, 2008, 09:58:50 AM

Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)


Scoreboard has St. Mary's down 18 in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2008, 05:11:31 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 13, 2008, 02:35:40 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 10, 2008, 09:58:50 AM

Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)


Scoreboard has St. Mary's down 18 in the 2nd half.


They lost.

On another note, WashU is getting all it can handle from Fontbonne right now in the second half.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on December 13, 2008, 05:47:09 PM
WashU pulls it out 89-78.

For those of you who don't know, Fontbonne is literally across the street from WashU, so this game takes local rivalries to the penultimate degree (the only thing that could be closer is if schools shared a campus).

Needless to say, road trips like this are helpful during final exams. I wonder if Fontbonne just walked over or drove.



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2008, 12:24:02 AM
It's within 500 miles, so they bussed over!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2008, 02:17:46 PM
Help me out guys, anyone else lose> :-)  Thanks!

Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert: Gettysburg lost to Ursinus 82-53 on Sat Dec 6th
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound lost to (NAIA) Warner Pacific 95-98
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU lost to Wash U 86-93, after losing to Olivet Nazarene earlier
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland StatePoint Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
unbearable:  Ithaca
April:  Wheaton (IL)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 02:29:32 PM
No change in the remaining four teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2008, 01:33:30 PM

I'd like an asterisk to denote my tiebreaker win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on December 20, 2008, 07:58:20 AM
Time to revive this board

I've noted a handful of teams with 2 or fewer games against D3 (including Linfield, with no D3 games to date).

Unbeaten

Washington U.
Ithaca
Elms
Carnegie Mellon
New York University
UW-Platteville
Texas-Dallas
Amherst
DeSales
Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)
Millikin
St. Joseph's (L.I.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

LeTourneau
St. Vincent
Pacific (2-0)
Puget Sound (2-0)
Linfield (0-0)

Winless

Staten Island
Buffalo State
Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
CCNY
Chicago
Castleton State
Morrisville State
Suffolk
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
Westminster (Pa.)
Caltech

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Presentation
Principia
Goucher
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Randolph
Lewis and Clark (0-1)
Hope (0-2)
Calvin (0-2)
Clermont (0-2)
Linfield (0-0)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on December 20, 2008, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: pabegg on December 20, 2008, 07:58:20 AM
Time to revive this board

I've noted a handful of teams with 2 or fewer games against D3 (including Linfield, with no D3 games to date).

Unbeaten

Washington U.
Ithaca
Elms
Carnegie Mellon
New York University
UW-Platteville
Texas-Dallas
Amherst
DeSales
Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)
Millikin
St. Joseph's (L.I.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

LeTourneau
St. Vincent
Pacific (2-0)
Puget Sound (2-0)
Linfield (0-0)

Winless

Staten Island
Buffalo State
Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
CCNY
Chicago
Castleton State
Morrisville State
Suffolk
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
Westminster (Pa.)
Caltech

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Presentation
Principia
Goucher
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Randolph
Lewis and Clark (0-1)
Hope (0-2)
Calvin (0-2)
Clermont (0-2)
Linfield (0-0)



How many people do you think thought we would be sitting here on December 20 and Chicago would be on the winless list?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2008, 07:06:58 PM
Titan Q posted this.

Final:

(#10) Elmhurst 82
(#1) Wash U 75

I'm out!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 20, 2008, 08:54:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2008, 11:28:01 AM
Lancaster Bible wins over Philly Bible  63 - 59!!!!!!!!!  With the win, they fall off the winless vs D3 list!!!

The season ends with 2 on the 'coveted' list :
this room's favorite team  Maine Presque Isle   and Franciscan U
64.
The winless list of two  (how sad for Colorado College), CC and Rockford, both have one game remaining, with victory highly unlikely....

Looks like Franciscan and UMPI are 'on track', but CC and Rockford are not!

Of course UMPI, who lost to Elms by 66 and the U. of Maine by 76, beat Unity by 64.

Yikes!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 01:02:19 AM
McMurry defeats St Vincent 82-78 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/mbball/2008/12/20/SV%20Las%20Vegas.asp) in Las Vegas.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 01:03:05 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on December 20, 2008, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: pabegg on December 20, 2008, 07:58:20 AM
Time to revive this board

I've noted a handful of teams with 2 or fewer games against D3 (including Linfield, with no D3 games to date).

Unbeaten

Washington U.
Ithaca
Elms
Carnegie Mellon
New York University
UW-Platteville
Texas-Dallas
Amherst
DeSales
Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)
Millikin
St. Joseph's (L.I.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

LeTourneau
St. Vincent
Pacific (2-0)
Puget Sound (2-0)
Linfield (0-0)

Winless

Staten Island
Buffalo State
Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
CCNY
Chicago
Castleton State
Morrisville State
Suffolk
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
Westminster (Pa.)
Caltech

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Presentation
Principia
Goucher
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Randolph
Lewis and Clark (0-1)
Hope (0-2)
Calvin (0-2)
Clermont (0-2)
Linfield (0-0)



How many people do you think thought we would be sitting here on December 20 and Chicago would be on the winless list?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 23, 2008, 08:36:09 PM

Wow; this got started early this season.  I'm glad it's not my responsibility anymore.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on December 23, 2008, 09:47:44 PM
Quote from: pabegg on December 20, 2008, 07:58:20 AM
Winless

Polytechnic
Caltech

Jan. 5: Polytechnic (0-9) @ Caltech (0-8)

Polytechnic is idle until they play Caltech. The Beavers play Amherst on Dec. 31 and Babson on Jan. 2, and they'll certainly lose both of those games. I plan to be there to watch the Battle of the Beatens. The last Skyline Conference team to play at Caltech was Bard, which lost 81-52 on Jan. 6, 2007, snapping CIT's 207-game losing streak against D-III teams.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on December 26, 2008, 01:14:41 PM
12/20 Westminster PA 92, Thomas More 80; Westminster is 1-9.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on December 28, 2008, 12:12:37 PM
12/27 Lewis and Clark 85, Christopher Newport 79; L&C ges to 1-1 in D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on December 30, 2008, 10:07:13 AM
12/29 UW-Whitewater 69-58 LeTourneau (1st loss vs. D3)

12/29 Staten Island 89-83 Nazareth (1st win)
12/29 CCNY 64-58 Gallaudet (1st win)

12/29 Calvin 91-65 Geneva (1st win vs. D3)

And on successive days, Linfield plays its first two D3 games and drops off of both lists.

12/28 Ohio Northern 67-57 Linfield
12/29 Linfield 79-60 FDU-Florham

Unbeaten

Ithaca
Elms
New York University
UW-Platteville
Texas-Dallas
Amherst
DeSales
Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)
Millikin
St. Joseph's (L.I.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Pacific (2-0)
Puget Sound

Winless

Buffalo State
Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Chicago
Castleton State
Morrisville State
Suffolk
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
Caltech

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Presentation
Principia
Goucher
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Randolph
Hope (0-2)
Clermont (0-2)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on December 31, 2008, 09:13:05 AM
UW-Platteville loses to St. Norbert 70-68

The scores from yesterday have been corrected, and CCNY lost to Gallaudet, so they're back on the list (following it up with a 32-point performance in yesterday's loss).

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 01, 2009, 07:19:28 PM

The Tommies survived a close one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
Ralph Turner:  Washington U.
pabegg:  Buena Vista
Hoops Fan:  St. Thomas
Hope 1:  Hope College
ChicagoHopeNut:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
HopeCovert:  Gettysburg
Flying Dutch Fan:  Brandeis
Log Show:  Puget Sound
Mr. Ypsi:  IWU
WooScotsFan:  Wooster
Magicman:  Cortland State
Point Special:  Centre
Gregory Sager:  St. Mary's (MD)
Old School:  St. Thomas
Sac:  Mary-Hardin Baylor
unbearable:  Ithaca
April:  Wheaton (IL)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2009, 09:55:15 PM
Two undefeated teams stay that way easily...

No. 8 Amherst 74 Pomona-Pitzer 52
No. 17 Ithaca 112 Elmira 72

Two unlikely undefeated teams win close ones to stay that way...

St. Joseph's (L.I.) 76 Potsdam State 73
Franklin & Marshall 78 TCNJ 74

St. Joseph's (L.I.) plays Montclair State (7-3) in Orlando on Sunday.  Franklin & Marshall hosts Susquehanna (7-3) tomorrow.


In the winless category, one gets off the schneid...

Buffalo St 77 Heidelberg 68

Others stay on the list...

Union 94 Medgar Evers 60
Bates 90 Castleton 50
U. New England 92 Suffolk 76
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 03, 2009, 08:40:25 AM
Whitman 87, Pacific 72. First D3 loss for Pacific.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 06:25:13 PM
Leg #1 on the Abilene Death March (  :D ) and UT-Dallas loses to McMurry, 63-61.

UTD plays across town at HSU on Monday night.

That is a big win in the ASC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2009, 07:14:56 PM
Millikin's magical run came to a conclusive ending, as York (NY), despite a 2-10 record, crushed them by 20.  Since MU was picked for last in the CCIW in the coach's pre-season poll, a 10-0 start was quite unexpected.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 03, 2009, 08:16:46 PM
Chicago still winless, as they finished their non-conference schedule 0-11.  They lose by 4 to MSOE.  Up next for Chicago: WashU.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2009, 07:14:56 PM
Millikin's magical run came to a conclusive ending, as York (NY), despite a 2-10 record, crushed them by 20.  Since MU was picked for last in the CCIW in the coach's pre-season poll, a 10-0 start was quite unexpected.

... and the Big Blue didn't even make it that far, as MU won its first eight before succumbing to York (NY).

Chicago's mysterious and woeful winless streak continues, as the Maroons lost yet another nailbiter today, 73-69 to MSOE up in Milwaukee, to drop to 0-11 in their final non-conference contest. Since the next game for the Maroons is against Wash U next Saturday, it'll be an uphill battle for Chicago to climb out of the winless ranks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It looks like hosting Emory and CWRU on Jan 16th and 18th will be the best chances of the season for the Maroons.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 03, 2009, 08:25:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It looks like hosting Emory and CWRU on Jan 16th and 18th will be the best chances of the season for the Maroons.

Those are definitely two winnable games.  You never know, if they sweep that weekend they might pick up some momentum going into the rest of the UAA season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It looks like hosting Emory and CWRU on Jan 16th and 18th will be the best chances of the season for the Maroons.

I'll guarantee that Chicago does much better than 2-12 in the UAA, Ralph.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 03, 2009, 08:51:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It looks like hosting Emory and CWRU on Jan 16th and 18th will be the best chances of the season for the Maroons.

I'll guarantee that Chicago does much better than 2-12 in the UAA, Ralph.

that makes for a long season...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 03, 2009, 08:57:54 PM
now that conference play is starting it will be interesting to see how long these remaining teams last.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HopeConvert on January 04, 2009, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It looks like hosting Emory and CWRU on Jan 16th and 18th will be the best chances of the season for the Maroons.

I'll guarantee that Chicago does much better than 2-12 in the UAA, Ralph.

I'm willing to wager you would have also guaranteed they'd be better than 0-11 in their non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2009, 05:08:04 PM
Ithaca remains undefeated with a 75-64 win over Alfred. The 17th ranked Bombers move to 10-0.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2009, 05:26:54 PM
2-4 Brockport St. leads undefeated Desales 55-46 with 4 mins. to play.


The undefeated list grows smaller as Brockport closes out Desales 61-49. Now down to 8 teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
And still smaller as undefeated and 11th ranked Elms falls to Regis (Mass) 66-63. Regis comes from 11 down with 8 mins left to gain a measure of revenge having dropped an 83-66 decision back on Nov. 15th in the season opener for both teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2009, 08:16:02 PM
St. Joseph's(L.I.) falls from the unbeaten ranks losing to 9-3 Montclair State 70-64 in OT.

Unbeaten's down to 6

#2  Wheaten(Ill) 11-0
#3  St. Thomas    10-0
#8  Amherst  9-0
#17 Ithaca  10-0
#41 Franklin and Marshall 9-0
NR NYU  8-0
 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2009, 11:53:11 AM
One winless team guaranteed to pick up a victory tonight...

Polytechnic (0-9) @ Caltech (0-10)

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Knightstalker on January 05, 2009, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2009, 11:53:11 AM
One winless team guaranteed to pick up a victory tonight...

Polytechnic (0-9) @ Caltech (0-10)

OxyBob

Unless of course there is a postponment.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Bombers798891 on January 05, 2009, 12:16:17 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 04, 2009, 08:16:02 PM
St. Joseph's(L.I.) falls from the unbeaten ranks losing to 9-3 Montclair State 70-64 in OT.

Unbeaten's down to 6

#2  Wheaten(Ill) 11-0
#3  St. Thomas    10-0
#8  Amherst  9-0
#17 Ithaca  10-0
#41 Franklin and Marshall 9-0
NR NYU  8-0
 

Ithaca goes to 10-0. Somewhere, the football team is jealous. The Curse of Jeff Bostic lives!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2009, 02:22:27 PM

Do we have the update on the whole list?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 05, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
Unbeaten

Ithaca
New York University
Amherst
Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Chicago
Castleton State
Morrisville State
Suffolk
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
Caltech
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Presentation
Principia
Goucher
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Randolph
Hope (0-2)
Clermont (0-3)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HopeConvert on January 05, 2009, 04:55:55 PM
I can't tell you how painful it is to see Hope on that list.  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 05, 2009, 09:21:01 PM
Randolph scratches itself off the "winless versus Division III" list.

Randolph 69 Washington (Md.) 68 OT
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2009, 09:31:31 PM
1 more team will be marked off the winless list tonight, as Caltech (0-10) hosts Polytechnic (0-9).  I hope Caltech pulls this one out and wins Coach Eslinger his first game as a head coach.

Note: I missed OxyBob's comments before I made this post.  I still hope Caltech wins.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2009, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2009, 11:53:11 AM
One winless team guaranteed to pick up a victory tonight...

Polytechnic (0-9) @ Caltech (0-10)

OxyBob
Quote from: hugenerd on January 05, 2009, 09:31:31 PM
1 more team will be marked off the winless list tonight, as Caltech (0-10) hosts Polytechnic (0-9).  I hope Caltech pulls this one out and wins Coach Eslinger his first game as a head coach.
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 05, 2009, 11:00:51 PM
Is Puget Sound really the only team left that's unbeaten in D3?  That doesn't seem quite right.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2009, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 05, 2009, 11:00:51 PM
Is Puget Sound really the only team left that's unbeaten in D3?  That doesn't seem quite right.

No, they are the only team that has not lost to a d3 school but has lost to a school from another division.  There are 6 teams that havent lost to anyone (the first list).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 06, 2009, 12:24:33 AM
Its final, Caltech wins 77-69.  We can no longer talk about them on this board.  Congrats to Coach Eslinger on his first win as a head coach.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 12:47:54 AM
Is there ANYONE who can honestly say they figured that Caltech would leave the winless board earlier than Chicago or Hope?  (Hmm...isn't Chicago Hope a canceled series? :o)

I have no clue as to the Chicago problem, but I'd strongly recommend that Hope schedule some d3 opponents that are not in the CCIW!  (Despite being 7-4 overall, their 0-2 in d3 are defeats by Wheaton and Carthage in the MIAA-CCIW challenge.)

Hope will not stay winless for long.  Nor will Chicago (though their next game is WashU - if 2009 is as crazy as 2008, they may win that one :o :P).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2009, 01:08:42 AM
To be honest I hadn't give it much thought.   But I had penciled in Wheaton and Carthage games as losses for Hope before the season began.


I'd be much more concerned if they'd played more than 2 games against D3's.

Hope plays @ Olivet and Albion this week, neither of those games will be easy.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 06, 2009, 01:15:17 AM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2009, 01:08:42 AM
To be honest I hadn't give it much thought.   But I had penciled in Hope and Carthage games as losses for Hope before the season began.


I'd be much more concerned if they'd played more than 2 games against D3's.

Hope plays @ Olivet and Albion this week, neither of those games will be easy.


sac

Is Hope so bad that they will lose to themselves? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 03:22:13 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 05, 2009, 09:31:31 PM
I hope Caltech pulls this one out and wins Coach Eslinger his first game as a head coach.

You got your wish!

Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Caltech 77, Polytechnic 69

CIT: Matt Dellatorre 27 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 3 steals, Travis Haussler 19 pts, 12 rebs, 2 assists, 5 blocks, Ryan Elmquist 14, Wei Li 11
NYU-Poly: Arjun Ohri 25, Andre Robinson 17 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assists, 3 steals, Anthony Mottola 10

Halftime: CIT 40-24
Rebounds: CIT 38-36
Records: Caltech 1-10, Polytechnic 0-10

Very entertaining game between Caltech and NYU-Poly. CIT got off to a quick 7-0 lead and never trailed in the game. Arjun Ohri's 3-point play brought the Fighting Blue Jays within 7-5, but that's as close they'd get the rest of the night. The Beavers took a 26-12 lead on Travis Haussler's layup at 9:30, stretched the lead to 18, and led 40-24 at the break. In the second half, CIT led 52-37 at 12:25, but NYU-Poly scored 11 straight to close to 52-48 at 8:40. Wei Li's 3-ball broke the scoreless spell for CIT to push the lead back to 7, and the Blue Jays didn't get closer than 4 the rest of the way. The Beavers won it at the free throw line by sinking 28-for-33, while NYU-Poly was only 10-for-20, and missed several chances to close the gap by clanking their FTs.

For Caltech, the Beavers had 4 starters in double figures. Matt Dellatorre scored 27 points on 6-for-13 FGs and 13-for-14 from the line, and also pulled down 10 rebounds. Travis Haussler played a very strong game in the post with 19 points and 12 rebounds, and had 5 blocks. Ryan Elmquist had 14 points on 4-for-6 FGs and 6-for-6 FTs, and made a key basket on a put back with 3 minutes to go. Wei Li scored 11 and hit on 3-for-5 on 3-balls. For Polytechnic, Arjun Ohri played a strong game with 25 points on 10-for-18 FGs and 3-for-3 from the line. Andre Robinson scored 17 and had 7 boards, and Anthony Mottola had 10.

I've now seen Caltech win its last 3 games. I saw CIT break its 207-game losing streak to D-III teams against Bard on 01/06/07, I saw them break an 18-game losing streak against Gallaudet on 12/17/07, and I saw them break a 30-game losing streak tonight. Fear the Beavers!

Quote from: David Collinge on January 05, 2009, 10:37:33 PM
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Surely you can't be serious.

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 06, 2009, 09:54:46 AM
Now all they need is a conference win and their all set.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 06, 2009, 10:22:05 AM


Quote from: David Collinge on January 05, 2009, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: ted striker[thinking]I've got to concentrate...[his thoughts echo] concentrate... concentrate... I've got to concentrate... concentrate... concentrate... Hello?... hello... hello... Echo... echo... echo... Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon... Manny Mota... Mota... Mota...

Surely you can't be serious.

OxyBob (http://www.eventsounds.com/wav/shirley.wav)
[/quote]

I am serious... and don't call me Shirley
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HopeConvert on January 06, 2009, 05:16:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 12:47:54 AM
)

I have no clue as to the Chicago problem, but I'd strongly recommend that Hope schedule some d3 opponents that are not in the CCIW!  (Despite being 7-4 overall, their 0-2 in d3 are defeats by Wheaton and Carthage in the MIAA-CCIW challenge.)


Amen.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 12:47:54 AM


Hope will not stay winless for long. 

From your lips (or fingers) to God's ears.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2009, 05:54:33 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 12:47:54 AM
I have no clue as to the Chicago problem, but I'd strongly recommend that Hope schedule some d3 opponents that are not in the CCIW!  (Despite being 7-4 overall, their 0-2 in d3 are defeats by Wheaton and Carthage in the MIAA-CCIW challenge.)

Hope's 35-29 all-time vs the CCIW

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2009, 05:54:33 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 12:47:54 AM
I have no clue as to the Chicago problem, but I'd strongly recommend that Hope schedule some d3 opponents that are not in the CCIW!  (Despite being 7-4 overall, their 0-2 in d3 are defeats by Wheaton and Carthage in the MIAA-CCIW challenge.)

Hope's 35-29 all-time vs the CCIW

While I didn't know that, it doesn't surprise me.  My point was certainly not that Hope can't compete with the "mighty CCIW" :P; it was that out of 11 non-con games, only TWO were d3 (and, without checking for sure, I don't think Hope has fared well in the years when the MIAA-CCIW Challenge is in CCIW-land).  If (God forbid :o) Hope doesn't get the AQ, that's one helluva handicap in getting a C.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2009, 06:30:33 PM
Carthage is not in-region
http://d3hoops.com/school/HOPE/mens/2009
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2009, 06:30:33 PM
Carthage is not in-region
http://d3hoops.com/school/HOPE/mens/2009


True, which means Hope had ONE in-region non-con game!  (Though, if they had won, they could appeal for the "magic ferry". :D)

NOT a wise strategy if pool C becomes necessary.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
If Hope makes the MIAA tournament Championship they'll have 18 in-region games.

Sorry we don't have the Sliac, MWC and NathCon to beat up on in the MIAA.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2009, 07:47:47 PM
Hey hey hey, watch those potshots at the SLIAC - we play those powerhouse conferences for the guarantees!!!!   (all you can eat at Ponderosa and a free DVD for the trip home!!!!)   ;D ;D

Honestly the way the MIAA has been faring in recent years, I'm confident the better SLIAC teams could compete with the bottom half of the MIAA - I can't make that statement as easily in competition of SLIAC teams with CCIW......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
If Hope makes the MIAA tournament Championship they'll have 18 in-region games.

Sorry we don't have the Sliac, MWC and NathCon to beat up on in the MIAA.

Touche'. :D

But you do have the PrAC, NCAC, OAC, etc.  And there's always Finlandia! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2009, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
If Hope makes the MIAA tournament Championship they'll have 18 in-region games.

Sorry we don't have the Sliac, MWC and NathCon to beat up on in the MIAA.

Touche'. :D

But you do have the PrAC, NCAC, OAC, etc.  And there's always Finlandia! ;)

None of those conferences have a single school within the bounderies of the MIAA, Chuck.   And if you're even suggesting the OAC is on the same level as the Nathcon, MWC or Sliac we have can have that discussion another time.  The Nathcon, MWC  both have schools within your conference bounderies.  Even the closest NCAC and OAC schools are over 2 hours away for everyone but Adrian.

.......are you serioulsy suggesting the PrAC schools for the MIAA are comparable to playing someone in your own backyard?

Bottom line we don't have a D3 conference in the middle of ours, let alone two, so all of our schools have trouble scheduling in-region D3's.

Adrian - 4
Albion - 3
Alma - 5
Calvin - 0
Hope -1
Kzoo - 6
Olivet - 1
Trine - 5

*  Alma had to play Finlandia twice on back-to-back days just to get to 5.

Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2009, 07:47:47 PM
Hey hey hey, watch those potshots at the SLIAC - we play those powerhouse conferences for the guarantees!!!!   (all you can eat at Ponderosa and a free DVD for the trip home!!!!)   ;D ;D

Honestly the way the MIAA has been faring in recent years, I'm confident the better SLIAC teams could compete with the bottom half of the MIAA - I can't make that statement as easily in competition of SLIAC teams with CCIW......

In four years I can only find 2 MIAA/SLIAC matchups.  Eureka beat Alma, and Kzoo beat Principa.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
Sorry, sac, I thought you were making a crack about strength, not geography. :-[

(And the bottom-dwellers of the GL conferences [even the OAC] are every bit as weak as the Midwest conferences.  And the top of the MWC [and sometimes the NathCon and SLIAC] are on a par with the GL conferences, as well.)  As a peninsula, Michigan IS geographically deprived (though we probably won't get much sympathy from Texas or the Left Coast.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2009, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
And the bottom-dwellers of the GL conferences [even the OAC] are every bit as weak as the Midwest conferences. 
This conclusion is based on your extensive viewings of the "bottom-dwellers" of the OAC?  (Or the Midwest conferences, for that matter?)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2009, 09:36:21 PM
Baldwin-Wallace is 0-4 in the OAC,  they beat North Central 72-67

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2009, 09:43:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2009, 06:30:33 PM
Carthage is not in-region
http://d3hoops.com/school/HOPE/mens/2009


True, which means Hope had ONE in-region non-con game!  (Though, if they had won, they could appeal for the "magic ferry". :D)

NOT a wise strategy if pool C becomes necessary.

............and another thing  ;)

Calvin made it as a 'C' in 2006 with just 15 in-region games and 13-2 in-region record.

Hope made it as a 'C' in 2007 with "just" 20 in-region games and a 16-4 in-region record.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 06, 2009, 10:31:33 PM
Amherst falls off the undefeated list losing to Wesleyan in huge upset 72-69. Drops to 9-1

Ithaca stays unbeaten topping Utica 87-64.  Now 11-0

NYU stays unbeaten with a 62-55 win over Oneonta to move to 9-0

Undefeated list down to  5 teams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 10:33:12 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 06, 2009, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
And the bottom-dwellers of the GL conferences [even the OAC] are every bit as weak as the Midwest conferences. 
This conclusion is based on your extensive viewings of the "bottom-dwellers" of the OAC?  (Or the Midwest conferences, for that matter?)

Et tu, David? :o

I thought sac was doing a pretty good job of beating my butt without assistance! :-[

To switch sports, that's fifteen yards for piling on. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dblock on January 07, 2009, 09:03:56 AM
If I'm not mistaken NYU is the only program in all of D1 + D2 + D3 that is undefeated so far this year. With a combined record of 19-0, the NYU Men's and Women's teams are playing quite well heading into UAA league play this Friday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 04, 2009, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It looks like hosting Emory and CWRU on Jan 16th and 18th will be the best chances of the season for the Maroons.

I'll guarantee that Chicago does much better than 2-12 in the UAA, Ralph.

I'm willing to wager you would have also guaranteed they'd be better than 0-11 in their non-conference schedule.

True, my guarantees aren't exactly bankable where the Maroons are concerned. But I've seen them play twice now, and they are honestly not a bad team. They have an abundance of talent, including a trio of highly-skilled veteran players in Matt Corning, Jake Pancratz, and Adam Machones. While I haven't seen any of the other seven UAA teams thus far this season, from the looks of the league's non-con performance it doesn't seem to me that the league is quite as good as it was last year. Thus, I feel that I'm safe ground in predicting Chicago to do better than 2-12, in spite of the fact that I (as well as everyone else) didn't see that 0-11 avalanche coming down the mountain.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dblock on January 07, 2009, 01:50:32 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 04, 2009, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It looks like hosting Emory and CWRU on Jan 16th and 18th will be the best chances of the season for the Maroons.

I'll guarantee that Chicago does much better than 2-12 in the UAA, Ralph.

I'm willing to wager you would have also guaranteed they'd be better than 0-11 in their non-conference schedule.

True, my guarantees aren't exactly bankable where the Maroons are concerned. But I've seen them play twice now, and they are honestly not a bad team. They have an abundance of talent, including a trio of highly-skilled veteran players in Matt Corning, Jake Pancratz, and Adam Machones. While I haven't seen any of the other seven UAA teams thus far this season, from the looks of the league's non-con performance it doesn't seem to me that the league is quite as good as it was last year. Thus, I feel that I'm safe ground in predicting Chicago to do better than 2-12, in spite of the fact that I (as well as everyone else) didn't see that 0-11 avalanche coming down the mountain.

Chicago will definitely do better than 2-12. I would put money on it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 08, 2009, 12:44:46 AM
Hope falls off the winless vs D3 list by beating Olivet 79-70
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2009, 02:48:14 AM
#26 Franklin and Marshall stays unbeaten with a 92-67 win over Swarthmore. Now stand at 10-0.


#1 Wheaton(Ill) rallies to down # 19 Illinois Wesleyan 74-70. Thunder move to 12-0


#2 St Thomas stays on the unbeaten list taking care of Bethel 73-64 and going to 11-0
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 08, 2009, 04:28:46 PM
1/6 Goucher 78, Marymount 64. First win vs. D3 for Goucher.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 08, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
This needed updating

Unbeaten

Ithaca
New York University
Amherst
Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Chicago
Castleton State
Morrisville State
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
Caltech
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Presentation
Principia
Goucher
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Randolph
Hope (0-2)
Clermont (0-3)
Suffolk



I just updated the scores that were posted on this page.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 08, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
Suffolk (a client) beat Maine - Ft. Kent on Jan. 3. So they're merely winless vs. D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dblock on January 08, 2009, 11:51:52 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09nyu.html?_r=1&ref=sports
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 09, 2009, 06:36:15 AM
Updated as of Friday morning

Unbeaten

Ithaca
New York University
Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Chicago
Morrisville State
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Presentation
Principia
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Castleton State
Suffolk
Clermont (0-3)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2009, 10:13:48 AM

Pabegg, I know I'm asking a lot, but is there any way to mark which teams on the list are still provisional schools?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 10:38:57 AM
Quote from: pabegg on January 09, 2009, 06:36:15 AM
Updated as of Friday morning

Unbeaten

Ithaca
New York University
Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Chicago
Morrisville State
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Presentation
Principia
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Castleton State
Suffolk
Clermont (0-3)

Provisionals are in italics.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2009, 01:40:53 PM
Kinda interesting that NYU is undefeated, while Polytechnic -- which merged with NYU last year but retained its own intercollegiate athletic programs -- is winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2009, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: pabegg on January 08, 2009, 04:28:46 PM
1/6 Goucher 78, Marymount 64. First win vs. D3 for Goucher.

Yep, that would be the first game I would miss in my 14 seasons of PA for Goucher. DAMN! I would have loved to have seen that win!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2009, 09:35:14 PM
CMU downs NYU for their first loss, 78-57.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 09:44:47 PM
Unbeaten

Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Chicago
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Principia
Maine-Presque Isle ---no more D3 games
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Castleton State
Suffolk
Clermont (0-3)


Notes for our survivors
Puget Sound plays 11-3 Whitworth this week

Chicago plays Emory and Case Western the only other UAA's with losing records this week

Bard and Polytechnic play each other next week, we'll lose one this week

CCNY and Medgar Evers play the final week of the season

Maine-Presque Isle has no more D3 games scheduled.

Clermont -  I can't find this school

Principia and Blackburn play in a couple weeks




***Crud this was supposed to be a new post and used this as a template, instead I edited this one.  My apologies.  ~~ sac*****
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2009, 09:48:27 PM
Ithaca remains unbeaten pounding Nazareth 122-90  to go to 12-0
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2009, 10:51:50 PM

Presentation seems to have won tonight; they'll be off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 10, 2009, 07:56:16 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 09, 2009, 10:51:50 PM

Presentation seems to have won tonight; they'll be off the list.

76-60 over St. Scholastica
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2009, 05:39:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2009, 01:40:53 PM
Kinda interesting that NYU is undefeated, while Polytechnic -- which merged with NYU last year but retained its own intercollegiate athletic programs -- is winless.

Even more interesting is that they're in different regions, thanks to the inanity of the NCAA.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 10, 2009, 07:12:53 PM
#26 Franklin and Marshall remains undefeated with a 75-68 win over Washington College. Diplomats grab the lead for good with 6 min left in the 1st half. Lead stretched to 12 with 8:57 left to play when WC comes storming back to close to 1 at 7:10 mark. F+M scores 5 quick points to go back up by 6 and close out the Shoremen. F+M moves to 11-0.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 10, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
Cross off Morrisville St. from the winless list, as they down winless Medgar Evers 59-50.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 11, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
#12 Ithaca falls off the undefeated list losing to RIT 87-84. Ithaca ties it at 84 with :04 secs left on 2 free throws by S. Burton. RIT's N. Korinchak nails a long 3 at the buzzer. Ithaca falls to 12-1. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 11, 2009, 05:34:05 PM

Sorry, unbearable I was rooting for you.

#12 Ithaca falls off the undefeated list losing to RIT 87-84. Ithaca ties it at 84 with :04 secs left on 2 free throws by S. Burton. RIT's N. Korinchak nails a long 3 at the buzzer. Ithaca falls to 12-1.

Now down to April(Wheaton IL.), who can only win if  both St. Thomas AND Franklin & Marshall lose 1st, and the St Thomas twins. Although Hoops Fan claimed the tiebreaker over Old School. Have I got that right, Tom? 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 11, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Unbeaten

Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Chicago
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Principia
Maine-Presque Isle ---no more D3 games
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Castleton State
Suffolk
Clermont (0-3)


Notes for our survivors
Puget Sound plays 11-3 Whitworth this week

Chicago plays Emory and Case Western the only other UAA's with losing records this week

Bard and Polytechnic play each other next week, we'll lose one this week

CCNY and Medgar Evers play the final week of the season

Maine-Presque Isle has no more D3 games scheduled.

Clermont -  I can't find this school

Principia and Blackburn play in a couple weeks
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 06:48:50 PM
UC-Clermont (http://www.clc.uc.edu/Athletics/bballprofiles/mbball_sched.html)

Look at the UC-Clermont Student Activities Center (http://www.clc.uc.edu/Athletics/default.html)

Has Clermont really scheduled enough D-III teams at this point in their provisional status to be considered in this manner?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 11, 2009, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 06:48:50 PM
UC-Clermont (http://www.clc.uc.edu/Athletics/bballprofiles/mbball_sched.html)

Look at the UC-Clermont Student Activities Center (http://www.clc.uc.edu/Athletics/default.html)

Has Clermont really scheduled enough D-III teams at this point in their provisional status to be considered in this manner?

Is that a tent?

I would say no, they only have Spalding remaining.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2009, 09:14:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 06:48:50 PM
UC-Clermont (http://www.clc.uc.edu/Athletics/bballprofiles/mbball_sched.html)

Look at the UC-Clermont Student Activities Center (http://www.clc.uc.edu/Athletics/default.html)

Has Clermont really scheduled enough D-III teams at this point in their provisional status to be considered in this manner?

Plus, they only list 3 sports for each gender - doesn't d3 have a higher required minimum?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: unbearable on January 11, 2009, 09:17:33 PM
Thanks, magicman. 

If anyone didn't see the shot to beat Ithaca, there are 3.9 seconds remaining when RIT inbounds.  I thought the shot was clearly after the buzzer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZ7kTTxuYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZ7kTTxuYk)

Best of luck to April, Old School and Hoopsfan.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 11, 2009, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: unbearable on January 11, 2009, 09:17:33 PM
Thanks, magicman. 

If anyone didn't see the shot to beat Ithaca, there are 3.9 seconds remaining when RIT inbounds.  I thought the shot was clearly after the buzzer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZ7kTTxuYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZ7kTTxuYk)

Best of luck to April, Old School and Hoopsfan.

Looks after the buzzer to me, good advertisement for the LCD lights around the backboards.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2009, 09:14:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 06:48:50 PM
UC-Clermont (http://www.clc.uc.edu/Athletics/bballprofiles/mbball_sched.html)

Look at the UC-Clermont Student Activities Center (http://www.clc.uc.edu/Athletics/default.html)

Has Clermont really scheduled enough D-III teams at this point in their provisional status to be considered in this manner?

Plus, they only list 3 sports for each gender - doesn't d3 have a higher required minimum?
They have four years to get up to speed.  (I think that they must have 5 sports by the 3rd year.  I need help on that fact tho'.  Some schools have not added sports fast enough and have needed to repeat years in the provisional process!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 11, 2009, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: unbearable on January 11, 2009, 09:17:33 PM
Thanks, magicman. 

If anyone didn't see the shot to beat Ithaca, there are 3.9 seconds remaining when RIT inbounds.  I thought the shot was clearly after the buzzer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZ7kTTxuYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZ7kTTxuYk)

You're right. The ball is still in the shooter's hand when the buzzer sounds. The Bombers got jobbed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 11, 2009, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: sac on January 11, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Clermont -  I can't find this school

That's why I always refer to it as "Cincinnati-Clermont". It's easier to identify a D3 member that's a branch campus of a major university when you hyphenate it to that university's name, especially if it's a D3 newbie.

(OK, it's not as though Cincinnati-Clermont has come up a lot in conversation, but still ... ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 12, 2009, 02:51:43 AM
SUNY Cobleskill falls off the Winless vs. D3 list as they down Penn State-Berks 82-80 in overtime.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 12, 2009, 06:40:37 AM
Based on the scoreboard, it looked like Crown came off of the list, but Saturday's game is posted backwards and is actually a 83-50 loss to Martin Luther; Crown continues on.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 12, 2009, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: sac on January 11, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Unbeaten

Franklin and Marshall
St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Chicago
Polytechnic
Bard
Crown
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Principia
Maine-Presque Isle ---no more D3 games
Philadelphia Bible
SUNY Cobleskill
Castleton State
Suffolk
Clermont (0-3)


Notes for our survivors
Puget Sound plays 11-3 Whitworth this week

Chicago plays Emory and Case Western the only other UAA's with losing records this week

Bard and Polytechnic play each other next week, we'll lose one this week

CCNY and Medgar Evers play the final week of the season

Maine-Presque Isle has no more D3 games scheduled.

Clermont -  I can't find this school

Principia and Blackburn play in a couple weeks

bump
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 10:55:23 AM
Quote from: pabegg on January 12, 2009, 06:40:37 AM
Based on the scoreboard, it looked like Crown came off of the list, but Saturday's game is posted backwards and is actually a 83-50 loss to Martin Luther; Crown continues on.

Bummer. I took that score from the UMAC's Web page because neither school had it listed at the time. You'd like to think such things are reliable.  :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 13, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Does UMPI have dual membership or are they transitioning to NAIA or what?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 13, 2009, 03:19:47 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 13, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Does UMPI have dual membership or are they transitioning to NAIA or what?

I think they have dual NAIA/NCAA membership.........which makes no sense.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 13, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
Believe it or not, Maine-Presque Isle became a full member of Division III this year.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2008/09/22/in-the-fold/

On the topic at hand, McDaniel defeats Franklin & Marshall tonight leaving us with two undefeated teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: April on January 13, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
Only St. Thomas left to go down before I am crowed champion as F&M loses. Whee! :P

It's a good thing we're not playing the second best team in the CCIW without our second best player tomorrow. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 13, 2009, 11:08:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 13, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
Believe it or not, Maine-Presque Isle became a full member of Division III this year.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2008/09/22/in-the-fold/


The NAIA still has UMPI listed as a member school.   http://naia.cstv.com/member-services/about/members.htm

......and you can still link the NAIA site from UMPI's site.  For now I believe they are still dual members.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2009, 11:08:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 13, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
Believe it or not, Maine-Presque Isle became a full member of Division III this year.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2008/09/22/in-the-fold/


The NAIA still has UMPI listed as a member school.   http://naia.cstv.com/member-services/about/members.htm

......and you can still link the NAIA site from UMPI's site.  For now I believe they are still dual members.
Please remember that Menlo and Neb Wesleyan are both dual members, too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 12:29:03 AM
Quote from: April on January 13, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
Only St. Thomas left to go down before I am crowed champion as F&M loses. Whee! :P

It's a good thing we're not playing the second best team in the CCIW without our second best player tomorrow. :P
Okay everyone, if Wheaton wins the Survival Pool, we've got to "crow" her champion!   :D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2009, 12:39:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 12:29:03 AM
Quote from: April on January 13, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
Only St. Thomas left to go down before I am crowed champion as F&M loses. Whee! :P

It's a good thing we're not playing the second best team in the CCIW without our second best player tomorrow. :P
Okay everyone, if Wheaton wins the Survival Pool, we've got to "crow" her champion!   :D

And with that gantlet, I wonder if a CCIW team has EVER won the Survivor Pool?

[I know none have since the 'Survivor Pool', but I wonder if anyone has since d3 was born?]

If it occurs, she can certainly 'crow'! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: April on January 14, 2009, 01:08:14 AM
 :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 14, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2009, 12:39:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 12:29:03 AM
Quote from: April on January 13, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
Only St. Thomas left to go down before I am crowed champion as F&M loses. Whee! :P

It's a good thing we're not playing the second best team in the CCIW without our second best player tomorrow. :P
Okay everyone, if Wheaton wins the Survival Pool, we've got to "crow" her champion!   :D

And with that gantlet, I wonder if a CCIW team has EVER won the Survivor Pool?

[I know none have since the 'Survivor Pool', but I wonder if anyone has since d3 was born?]

If it occurs, she can certainly 'crow'! ;D

Only if she can sing as well as this crowe......

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.softpedia.com%2Fimages%2Fnews2%2FSheryl-Crow-Marries-Lance-Armstrong-In-Santa-Barbara-2.jpg&hash=e3664d60b4f0d5eaf77ab777f11ea91fa43b53bc)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: April on January 14, 2009, 01:49:44 AM
Quote from: sac on January 14, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
Only if she can sing as well as this crowe......

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.softpedia.com%2Fimages%2Fnews2%2FSheryl-Crow-Marries-Lance-Armstrong-In-Santa-Barbara-2.jpg&hash=e3664d60b4f0d5eaf77ab777f11ea91fa43b53bc)
Redemption!

Yes I can sing :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2009, 08:59:14 PM

Is my caveat for April entering late still valid (that Wheaton can't lose all year)?


I'm good with the Tommies; I think it's their year.  Although it does take a lot of guts to go with a CCIW team in this contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: with age came? on January 15, 2009, 02:31:38 AM
Polytechnic trips up Bard in battle of "winless" - though Polytechnic already claims a win over Mt St Mary's on their web site?? Who knew???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 15, 2009, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: with age came? on January 15, 2009, 02:31:38 AM
Polytechnic trips up Bard in battle of "winless" - though Polytechnic already claims a win over Mt St Mary's on their web site?? Who knew???

Verrrry interesting. The following quote is from the Mt. St. Mary's web site:

BROOKLYN, NY – Trailing by five near the midpoint of the second half, the Mount Saint Mary College men's basketball team used a 17-1 run to take control of the game on their way to a 75-69 defeat of the Polytechnic Institute of NYU. The Blue Knights snapped a five-game losing streak and improved to 2-5 overall, 1-2 in the Skyline Conference. The Blue Jays dropped to 0-9 and 0-4 in the conference.

And these are the scores and team record posted on the Polytechnic web site:

Date  Time  Place  Opponent  Score 
2008-11-15   7pm   Away   Stevens Tech   L 91-54 (0-1; 0-0)   
2008-11-16   5pm or 7pm   Away   Washington and Jefferson   L 82-49 (0-2; 0-0)   
2008-11-19   6pm   Away   Baruch   L 91-66 (0-3; 0-0)   
2008-11-21   7pm   Home   Centenary   L 87-77 (0-4; 0-0)   
2008-11-23   7:30pm   Away   Yeshiva   L 68-64 (0-5; 0-1)   
2008-11-25   8pm   Home   Brooklyn   L 95-81 (0-6; 0-1)   
2008-12-02   8pm   Home   Farmingdale   L 86-64 (0-7; 0-2)   
2008-12-06   4pm   Away   Old Westbury   L 98-83 (0-8; 0-3)   
2008-12-09   7pm   Home   Mount St. Mary's   W (1-8; 1-3)    2009-01-05    7:30pm   Away   Caltech   L 77-69 (1-9; 1-3)   
2009-01-06   5pm   Away   Whittier   L 108-69 (1-10; 1-3)   
2009-01-08   8pm   Home   Maritime   L 83-73 (1-11; 1-4)   
2009-01-10   1pm   Away   Mount St. Vincent   L 129-128 (1-12; 1-5)   
2009-01-14   8pm   Away   Bard   W 87-68 (2-12; 2-5)

It would appear we have a war of words about the outcome of that Dec. 9th contest. I vote for Mt. St. Mary's. Wonder what they're smoking over at Polytechnic, because they claimed to have won the game but they don't know what the score was. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 15, 2009, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 15, 2009, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: with age came? on January 15, 2009, 02:31:38 AM
Polytechnic trips up Bard in battle of "winless" - though Polytechnic already claims a win over Mt St Mary's on their web site?? Who knew???

Verrrry interesting. The following quote is from the Mt. St. Mary's web site:

BROOKLYN, NY – Trailing by five near the midpoint of the second half, the Mount Saint Mary College men's basketball team used a 17-1 run to take control of the game on their way to a 75-69 defeat of the Polytechnic Institute of NYU. The Blue Knights snapped a five-game losing streak and improved to 2-5 overall, 1-2 in the Skyline Conference. The Blue Jays dropped to 0-9 and 0-4 in the conference.

And these are the scores and team record posted on the Polytechnic web site:

Date  Time  Place  Opponent  Score 
2008-11-15   7pm   Away   Stevens Tech   L 91-54 (0-1; 0-0)   
2008-11-16   5pm or 7pm   Away   Washington and Jefferson   L 82-49 (0-2; 0-0)   
2008-11-19   6pm   Away   Baruch   L 91-66 (0-3; 0-0)   
2008-11-21   7pm   Home   Centenary   L 87-77 (0-4; 0-0)   
2008-11-23   7:30pm   Away   Yeshiva   L 68-64 (0-5; 0-1)   
2008-11-25   8pm   Home   Brooklyn   L 95-81 (0-6; 0-1)   
2008-12-02   8pm   Home   Farmingdale   L 86-64 (0-7; 0-2)   
2008-12-06   4pm   Away   Old Westbury   L 98-83 (0-8; 0-3)   
2008-12-09   7pm   Home   Mount St. Mary's   W (1-8; 1-3)    2009-01-05    7:30pm   Away   Caltech   L 77-69 (1-9; 1-3)   
2009-01-06   5pm   Away   Whittier   L 108-69 (1-10; 1-3)   
2009-01-08   8pm   Home   Maritime   L 83-73 (1-11; 1-4)   
2009-01-10   1pm   Away   Mount St. Vincent   L 129-128 (1-12; 1-5)   
2009-01-14   8pm   Away   Bard   W 87-68 (2-12; 2-5)

It would appear we have a war of words about the outcome of that Dec. 9th contest. I vote for Mt. St. Mary's. Wonder what they're smoking over at Polytechnic, because they claimed to have won the game but they don't know what the score was. ;D

I think MSM had to forfiet their two wins
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
From the Skyline Conference message board on Jan 12th...

Quote from: d3hero on January 13, 2009, 12:34:10 AM
i'm going to assume that MSM had to forfeit their only wins (thus giving Polytech possibly their only win of the year) because they were using a player who was ineligible.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2009, 06:56:49 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 15, 2009, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 15, 2009, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: with age came? on January 15, 2009, 02:31:38 AM
Polytechnic trips up Bard in battle of "winless" - though Polytechnic already claims a win over Mt St Mary's on their web site?? Who knew???

Verrrry interesting. The following quote is from the Mt. St. Mary's web site:

BROOKLYN, NY – Trailing by five near the midpoint of the second half, the Mount Saint Mary College men's basketball team used a 17-1 run to take control of the game on their way to a 75-69 defeat of the Polytechnic Institute of NYU. The Blue Knights snapped a five-game losing streak and improved to 2-5 overall, 1-2 in the Skyline Conference. The Blue Jays dropped to 0-9 and 0-4 in the conference.

And these are the scores and team record posted on the Polytechnic web site:

Date  Time  Place  Opponent  Score 
2008-11-15   7pm   Away   Stevens Tech   L 91-54 (0-1; 0-0)   
2008-11-16   5pm or 7pm   Away   Washington and Jefferson   L 82-49 (0-2; 0-0)   
2008-11-19   6pm   Away   Baruch   L 91-66 (0-3; 0-0)   
2008-11-21   7pm   Home   Centenary   L 87-77 (0-4; 0-0)   
2008-11-23   7:30pm   Away   Yeshiva   L 68-64 (0-5; 0-1)   
2008-11-25   8pm   Home   Brooklyn   L 95-81 (0-6; 0-1)   
2008-12-02   8pm   Home   Farmingdale   L 86-64 (0-7; 0-2)   
2008-12-06   4pm   Away   Old Westbury   L 98-83 (0-8; 0-3)   
2008-12-09   7pm   Home   Mount St. Mary's   W (1-8; 1-3)    2009-01-05    7:30pm   Away   Caltech   L 77-69 (1-9; 1-3)   
2009-01-06   5pm   Away   Whittier   L 108-69 (1-10; 1-3)   
2009-01-08   8pm   Home   Maritime   L 83-73 (1-11; 1-4)   
2009-01-10   1pm   Away   Mount St. Vincent   L 129-128 (1-12; 1-5)   
2009-01-14   8pm   Away   Bard   W 87-68 (2-12; 2-5)

It would appear we have a war of words about the outcome of that Dec. 9th contest. I vote for Mt. St. Mary's. Wonder what they're smoking over at Polytechnic, because they claimed to have won the game but they don't know what the score was. ;D

I think MSM had to forfiet their two wins
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
From the Skyline Conference message board on Jan 12th...

Quote from: d3hero on January 13, 2009, 12:34:10 AM
i'm going to assume that MSM had to forfeit their only wins (thus giving Polytech possibly their only win of the year) because they were using a player who was ineligible.

Thanks guys.  I guess that solves the mystery. But if Polytechnic hadn't beaten Bard would they come off the list if their win was a forfeit? Is a victory on paper the same as a win on the court? 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 16, 2009, 11:03:09 PM
I don't think forfeits should affect their status here...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 16, 2009, 11:44:39 PM
Chicago beat Emory to remove themselves from the winless lists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2009, 12:00:53 AM
Quote from: sac on January 16, 2009, 11:44:39 PM
Chicago beat Emory to remove themselves from the winless lists.

lol, I bet they are relieved  8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: April on January 17, 2009, 03:47:08 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 16, 2009, 11:03:09 PM
I don't think forfeits should affect their status here...
really? i do... the whole point of the forfeit is that they might have lost...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2009, 05:44:17 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It looks like hosting Emory and CWRU on Jan 16th and 18th will be the best chances of the season for the Maroons.
As predicted...  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 18, 2009, 02:41:04 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 10, 2008, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: April on December 09, 2008, 04:13:58 PM
Can I retroactively pick Wheaton??

I'm ok with it, but because you came to it late, Wheaton has to be the last team in d3 to lose in order for you to win.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 14, 2009, 08:59:14 PM

Is my caveat for April entering late still valid (that Wheaton can't lose all year)?


I'm good with the Tommies; I think it's their year.  Although it does take a lot of guts to go with a CCIW team in this contest.

I think your original statement has a different meaning than your last statement. ;)


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: April on January 18, 2009, 02:54:59 AM
Thanks magicman  :-*

Let's be serious. If I somehow magically outlast these guys given the strength of the CCIW compared to MIAC, and despite the injury of Kent Raymond, I deserve the prize. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 18, 2009, 03:51:31 PM
Unbeaten

St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Morrisville State
Bard
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Principia
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
Castleton State
Suffolk
Clermont (0-3)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2009, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: April on January 18, 2009, 02:54:59 AM
Thanks magicman  :-*

Let's be serious. If I somehow magically outlast these guys given the strength of the CCIW compared to MIAC, and despite the injury of Kent Raymond, I deserve the prize. :P

No, you totally do, but with my track record I know this is my only shot to ever be close to winning, so I'm fighting like a cornered wolverine for this one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 19, 2009, 02:36:33 PM
Quote from: April on January 17, 2009, 03:47:08 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 16, 2009, 11:03:09 PM
I don't think forfeits should affect their status here...
really? i do... the whole point of the forfeit is that they might have lost...

Games are played on the court. Realistically, except for the Oberlin situation a few years back (where they had to forfeit their entire season because their best player was ineligible) I don't think many ineligible player rulings truly affect the games being played. Half the time in high schools, it's some scrubnee.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2009, 02:57:33 AM
pabegg,

Morrisville St. was off the winless list as they beat Medgar Evers back on Jan.10th.

Chance for Macalester to win their 1st tonight at home against St Mary's(Minn.) Only lost to them 67-65 back in early December at St.Mary's.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dennis_Prikkel on January 21, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Quote from: pabegg on January 18, 2009, 03:51:31 PM
Unbeaten

St. Thomas
Wheaton (Ill.)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound

Winless

Macalester
Knox
Medgar Evers
Morrisville State
Bard
CCNY

Winless vs. D3

Thiel
Maranatha Baptist
Blackburn
Principia
Maine-Presque Isle
Philadelphia Bible
Castleton State
Suffolk
Clermont (0-3)


Principia may not have much of a basketball program, but they've got one of the most beautiful campuses I've ever been on.  Totally wooded campus on a bluff above the Mississippi River.  The security guard who let us drive around the campus said to be wary of the deer - there were dozens of them roving the grounds.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
Thanks for those words Dennis - I've seen every SLIAC campus BUT Prin, simply because there is always a more competitive meaningful game to go to than one involving Prin - maybe I should rethink my schedule for one of the upcoming Saturday afternoons and make it over there....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dennis_Prikkel on January 21, 2009, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 21, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
Thanks for those words Dennis - I've seen every SLIAC campus BUT Prin, simply because there is always a more competitive meaningful game to go to than one involving Prin - maybe I should rethink my schedule for one of the upcoming Saturday afternoons and make it over there....

Alton, which is 10 miles south, is one of the most historical towns in Illinois.

The entire town of Elsah, which lies in a gorge beneath the college is on the national register of historic places.

The road from Alton to Elsah is one of the few place on the entire Mississippi River where you can drive right next to the river.

DGP
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2009, 12:10:17 AM
Congrats, HF!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2009, 12:35:12 AM
And HF wins it by a victory by the team he ranked #8 in the Posters' Poll! :o

[I'll stand by my comments on that board, but they may slip back into my top 25 - it was me who kept them from being completely shut out the first week!]
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2009, 01:54:33 AM
Good job Hoops Fan. You're #1 and your pick will most likely be #1 as well, unless St Olaf spoils the party on Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 22, 2009, 05:32:09 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 21, 2009, 02:57:33 AM
pabegg,

Morrisville St. was off the winless list as they beat Medgar Evers back on Jan.10th.

Chance for Macalester to win their 1st tonight at home against St Mary's(Minn.) Only lost to them 67-65 back in early December at St.Mary's.

Yeah, I deleted Crown instead of Morrisville
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 22, 2009, 05:34:07 AM
Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 1/24 at St. Olaf, 1/28 at Augsburg

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 1/23 Pacific, 1/24 Willamette

Winless

Macalester -- 1/24 Hamline, 1/28 at Bethel
Crown -- 1/23 at Minn-Morris, 1/24 at Presentation
Knox -- 1/23 at Carroll, 1/24 at St. Norbert
Medgar Evers -- 1/28 Hunter, 1/31 at Staten Island
Bard -- 1/22 Maritime, 1/24 St. Joseph's LI
CCNY -- 1/24 at Lehman, 1/28 at York

Winless vs. D3

Thiel -- 1/24 at Waynesburg, 1/28 at Thomas More
Maranatha Baptist -- 1/22 at Marian, 1/24 at Wisconsin Lutheran
Blackburn -- 1/24 Principia, 1/28 Fontbonne
Principia -- 1/24 at Blackburn, 1/28 at Maryville MO
Philadelphia Bible -- 1/24 Keystone
Castleton State -- 1/23 at Maine Maritime, 1/24 at Husson
Suffolk -- 1/24 at Norwich, 1/29 at Mount Ida
Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5

Matchups Left

CCNY and Medgar Evers close the CUNY season at CCNY on 2/13
Blackburn and Principia on 1/24; they meet again on 2/21.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2009, 10:11:45 AM
You mean CCNY and Medgar Evers, right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 22, 2009, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 22, 2009, 10:11:45 AM
You mean CCNY and Medgar Evers, right?

Yes. Fixed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ephoops on January 22, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
I believe that both CCNY and Medgar Evers will be winless going into their game.  It's a shame that with all the talent in NYC that these two schools cannot field competitive teams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 24, 2009, 09:28:19 AM
Castleton State beats Maine Maritime 72-65 to get their first D3 win.

Puget Sound wins.
All of the other winless lose on Friday night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on January 24, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: pabegg on January 24, 2009, 09:28:19 AM
Castleton State beats Maine Maritime 72-65 to get their first D3 win.

Puget Sound wins.All of the other winless lose on Friday night.


Still undefeated against D3  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 24, 2009, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 24, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: pabegg on January 24, 2009, 09:28:19 AM
Castleton State beats Maine Maritime 72-65 to get their first D3 win.

Puget Sound wins.
All of the other winless lose on Friday night.


Still undefeated against D3  :)

I'll try this again.

Castleton won, no longer winless (vs. D3)
Puget Sound won, still unbeaten (vs. D3)
All of the winless except for Castleton lost, still winless (vs. D3 or otherwise)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 25, 2009, 10:16:33 PM
Thiel, Blackburn, and Suffolk all won Saturday for their first wins againsst D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 26, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
A red letter day!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2009, 10:02:42 AM
Updated thru Jan 25th...

Quote from: pabegg on January 22, 2009, 05:34:07 AM
Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 1/24 at St. Olaf, 1/28 at Augsburg

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 1/23 Pacific, 1/24 Willamette

Winless

Macalester -- 1/24 Hamline, 1/28 at Bethel
Crown -- 1/23 at Minn-Morris, 1/24 at Presentation
Knox -- 1/23 at Carroll, 1/24 at St. Norbert
Medgar Evers -- 1/28 Hunter, 1/31 at Staten Island
Bard -- 1/22 Maritime, 1/24 St. Joseph's LI
CCNY -- 1/24 at Lehman, 1/28 at York

Winless vs. D3

Thiel -- 1/24 at Waynesburg, 1/28 at Thomas More
Maranatha Baptist -- 1/22 at Marian, 1/24 at Wisconsin Lutheran
Blackburn -- 1/24 Principia, 1/28 Fontbonne
Principia -- 1/24 at Blackburn, 1/28 at Maryville MO
Philadelphia Bible -- 1/24 Keystone
Castleton State -- 1/23 at Maine Maritime, 1/24 at Husson
Suffolk -- 1/24 at Norwich, 1/29 at Mount Ida

Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5

Matchups Left

CCNY and Medgar Evers close the CUNY season at CCNY on 2/13
Blackburn and Principia on 1/24; they meet again on 2/21.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
While UMPI has no more d3 games, fans of this board might be interested to know that they just won TWO IN A ROW against NAIA-2 teams. :o

The perennial Owlets are growin' some talons! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 26, 2009, 07:28:15 PM
Call me when they learn to catch Salmon and not mice.  :P ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on January 26, 2009, 08:23:51 PM
Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 1/28 at Augsburg, 1/31 at Macalaster

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 1/30 at Lewis and Clark, 1/31 at Linfield

Winless

Macalester -- 1/28 Bethel, 1/31 St. Thomas
Crown -- 1/27 at Pillsbury, 1/29 Northwestern, 1/31 Finlandia
Knox -- 1/31 at Monmouth
Medgar Evers -- 1/28 Hunter, 1/31 at Staten Island
Bard -- 1/27 at Mount St. Vincent, 1/31 at Purchase
CCNY -- 1/28 at York

Winless vs. D3

Maranatha Baptist -- 1/29 at Lakeland, 1/31 Dominican
Principia -- 1/28 at Maryville MO, 1/31 Greenville
Philadelphia Bible -- 1/29 at Immaculata, 1/31 at Lancaster Bible
Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5

Matchups Left

CCNY and Medgar Evers close the CUNY season at CCNY on 2/13

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 26, 2009, 09:52:48 PM
UMPI web site has them losing to SUNY-Canton, so they be 2-11.

They did beat Paul Smith's College.

The distaff Owls are 6-5, so there's hope over there!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 31, 2009, 08:18:39 PM
Updated with results reported as of 8:15PM ET 1/31.

Quote from: pabegg on January 26, 2009, 08:23:51 PM
Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 1/28 at Augsburg, 1/31 at Macalaster (W, W)

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 1/30 at Lewis and Clark, 1/31 at Linfield (W, TBD)

Winless

Macalester -- 1/28 Bethel, 1/31 St. Thomas (L, L)
Crown -- 1/27 at Pillsbury, 1/29 Northwestern, 1/31 Finlandia (L, TBD) - Pillsbury game did not exist,  I gather...
Knox -- 1/31 at Monmouth (TBD)
Medgar Evers -- 1/28 Hunter, 1/31 at Staten Island (L, TBD)
Bard -- 1/27 at Mount St. Vincent, 1/31 at Purchase (L, TBD)
CCNY -- 1/28 at York (L)

Winless vs. D3

Maranatha Baptist -- 1/29 at Lakeland, 1/31 Dominican - Beat Lakeland 87-81, avenging an earlier 16 pt. defeat
Principia -- 1/28 at Maryville MO, 1/31 Greenville (L, L)
Philadelphia Bible -- 1/29 at Immaculata, 1/31 at Lancaster Bible (L, TBD)
Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5

Matchups Left

CCNY and Medgar Evers close the CUNY season at CCNY on 2/13


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2009, 12:59:04 AM
Knox gets off the schneid - 70-65 over Monmouth.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 01, 2009, 09:23:10 AM
Puget Sound wins to stay undefeated.

Medgar Evers loses, but only by 5 to Staten Island (89-84)

Bard loses to Purchase by 20.

Philly Bible loses by just one to Lancaster Bible (57-56).

No reports from Crown / Finlandia
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 01, 2009, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 01, 2009, 09:23:10 AM
Puget Sound wins to stay undefeated.



I don't know how much longer we can keep this going.  Puget Sound's next game is Tuesday against Pacific Lutheran.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on February 01, 2009, 11:43:45 PM
Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 2/2 St. Mary's MN, 2/7 at Carleton

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 2/3 Pac Lutheran, 2/7 George Fox

Winless

Macalester -- 2/2 at St. Johns', 2/4 Gustavus Adolphus, 2/7 at Augsburg
Crown -- 2/6 at Martin Luther, 2/7 at Bethany Lutheran
Medgar Evers -- 2/4 at Brookyn, 2/6 York NY
Bard -- 2/4 Farmingdale State, 2/7 at Old Westbury
CCNY -- 2/4 at Baruch, 2/7 John Jay

Winless vs. D3

Principia -- 2/3 Fontbonne, 2/7 Eureka
Philadelphia Bible -- 2/3 at Baptist Bible, 2/5 at Neumann, 2/7 Marywood
Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5

Matchups Left

CCNY and Medgar Evers close the CUNY season at CCNY on 2/13
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 02, 2009, 01:24:15 PM
Crown lost by 12 to Finlandia.

Can anyone make sense of this writeup??

http://www.stormathletics.com/sports-information/news/article/lions-survive-storm.html
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 02, 2009, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 02, 2009, 01:24:15 PM
Crown lost by 12 to Finlandia.

Can anyone make sense of this writeup??

http://www.stormathletics.com/sports-information/news/article/lions-survive-storm.html

Most times the word 'Storm' has been used in a non-weather related story?  (11 times)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 05, 2009, 10:44:41 AM
Here's a look with prognosis...

Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 2/2 St. Mary's MN (W), 2/7 at Carleton

Prognosis - 5 games left. Toughest is at Carleton. Also play at home against Bethel. Those two have an outside shot of taking them out, but it's a good chance the Tommies will go undefeated in the regular season.

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 2/3 Pac Lutheran (W), 2/7 George Fox

Prognosis - Pencil in 2/13 vs. Whitworth. That seems to be the best chance to take out the Loggers, though they beat Whitworth by 12 on the road.

Winless

Macalester -- 2/2 at St. Johns'(L), 2/4 Gustavus Adolphus(L), 2/7 vs Augsburg

Prognosis - 4 games left. Two against top half MIAC teams. Best chance is their last game, where they play host to St. Olaf. They only lost 76-70 to the Oles on the road.

Crown -- 2/6 at Martin Luther, 2/7 at Bethany Lutheran

Prognosis - A mess. Their 12-point loss at Finlandia was their closest game of the season. They do play host to 3-15 Northland on Valentine's day (what a treat for your sweetie, eh?) but Northland beat them by 20 earlier. When a 3-15 team whops you by 20, then you're not good.

Medgar Evers -- 2/4 at Brookyn (L), 2/6 York NY

Prognosis - Is there hope for the Cougars? They've had two straight close losses. Of course, their upcoming pillow fight vs. CCNY is promising, but they play 5-17 John Jay before that game. At all else, they close the season against Pratt.

Bard -- 2/4 Farmingdale State (L), 2/7 at Old Westbury

Prognosis - The SKY isn't brimming with hoops powers. But they haven't been competitive even against the lower echelon of the conference. They do play Polytechnic, whose only on court win was against Bard. The bad news for Bard is that Poly beat them by 19. Oops.

CCNY -- 2/4 at Baruch, 2/7 John Jay - I was a bit excited when I saw they won according to their schedule here. But nope, I checked the Baruch web site. Baruch 79, CCNY 50.

Prognosis - Aside from Medgar Evers, John Jay and Hunter give them a punchers chance of winning, maybe.

Winless vs. D3

Principia -- 2/3 Fontbonne (L), 2/7 Eureka

Prognosis - They do play MacMurray and Blackburn again this year, the other weak sisters of the SLIAC. But they lost by 19 at home to MacMurray. The best chance is the home game against Blackburn.


Philadelphia Bible -- 2/3 at Baptist Bible (L), 2/5 at Neumann, 2/7 Marywood

Prognosis - They seem to be outclassed by the rest of the CSAC this year. They do have games against Centenary, Neumann and a return match vs. Baptist Bible, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Better luck next year:
Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5


   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on February 08, 2009, 08:53:14 PM
2/7 CCNY beats John Jay, 66-63.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on February 10, 2009, 04:56:35 PM
And down the stretch they come...

Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 2/11 at Bethel, 2/14 Gustavus Adolphus

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 2/13 Whitworth, 2/14 Whitman

Winless

Macalester -- 2/11 at Concordia-Moorhead, 2/14 at Carleton
Crown -- 2/10 at North Central MN, 2/13 St. Scholastica, 2/14 Northland
Medgar Evers -- 2/11 John Jay, 2/13 at CCNY
Bard -- 2/12 Mount St. Mary, 2/14 at Polytechnic

Winless vs. D3

Principia -- 2/11 at MacMurray, 2/14 at Lincoln Christian
Philadelphia Bible -- 2/10 at Keystone, 2/12 Gwynedd-Mercy, 2/14 Baptist Bible
Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 10, 2009, 10:48:05 PM
If Medgar Evers beats John Jay does John Jay get some sort of booby prize??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 12, 2009, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 10, 2009, 04:56:35 PM
And down the stretch they come...

Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 2/11 at Bethel, 2/14 Gustavus Adolphus

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 2/13 Whitworth, 2/14 Whitman

Winless

Macalester -- 2/11 at Concordia-Moorhead, 2/14 at Carleton
Crown -- 2/10 at North Central MN, 2/13 St. Scholastica, 2/14 Northland
Medgar Evers -- 2/11 John Jay, 2/13 at CCNY
Bard -- 2/12 Mount St. Mary, 2/14 at Polytechnic

Winless vs. D3

Principia -- 2/11 at MacMurray, 2/14 at Lincoln Christian
Philadelphia Bible -- 2/10 at Keystone, 2/12 Gwynedd-Mercy, 2/14 Baptist Bible
Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5


St. Thomas avoids an upset - coming back at home to beat Bethel 75-72. Three games against middling or worse MIAC teams remain, so odds are they'll go into the MIAC tourney unbeaten.

The Star-Tribune has Concordia knocking off Macalester 78-60. Two games left, but one is at home against St. Olaf, which is winnable.

Crown got pounded 89-49 by Northwestern. Two Storm players missed the game for some reason, adding injury to insult?

Alas, John Jay escaped the booby prize by beating Medgar Evers 59-58. Fear not, Cougars, the pillow fight against CCNY is upcoming.

Principia dropped one to MacMurray 108-85.

Philly Bible got waxed by Keystone 79-41.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 15, 2009, 12:43:48 AM
Updates:

St. Thomas wins 72-59.

UPS beats Whitworth and Whitman this whit...weekend.

Macalester loses to Carelton, but its just 64-56 on the road. St. Olaf is their last chance. The Oles broke a 7 games losing streak at home against St. Mary's.

Crown drops two more, with similar scores. 85-53 to St. Scholastica and 86-50 to Northland, at home. Northland was probably their one chance, as two of the five Northland wins have come against Crown.

According to Google maps, it's only about a 1 hour drive between Crown and Macalester (and pretty easy, too, if you don't go during rush hour). So let's get them a game!

Medgar Evers loses 84-68 to CCNY. Now they have Pratt left on their schedule, so that's hopefully a win (though not vs. D-3). Break up the Beavers, who have now won 2 of 3!

Bard lost just 70-62 to Mt. St. Mary and the Raptors' web site says they have fallen to Polytechnic 78-67. Alas, poor Raptors.

Principia lost to non D-3 Lincoln Christian 93-72. Still looking forward to the battle with the Blackburn Beavers.

Philly Bible lost to Baptist Bible 89-71.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on February 15, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
UPS has two conference games remaining before the NWC tournament.  Both are on the road, at Pacific (OR) and at Willamette.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pabegg on February 16, 2009, 08:19:56 AM
All of the remaining regular season games are listed.

Unbeaten

St. Thomas -- 2/18 St. John's, 2/21 Hamline

Unbeaten vs. D3

Puget Sound -- 2/20 at Pacific, 2/21 at Willamette

Winless

Macalester -- 2/18 at St. Olaf
Crown -- 2/20 Presentation, 2/21 Minn-Morris
Medgar Evers -- 2/16 at Pratt
Bard -- 2/16 Wesleyan, 2/18 at Maritime, 2/19 Rivier, 2/22 Yeshiva

Winless vs. D3

Principia -- 2/18 at Westminster MO, 2/21 Blackburn, 2/24 at Webster
Philadelphia Bible -- 2/16 at Cabrini, 2/19 Centenary
Clermont -- lost all 3 D3 games this year
Maine-Presque Isle -- finished D3 season 0-5

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on February 16, 2009, 10:41:18 PM
Philly Bible continues its D3 futility tonight, losing to Cabrini.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 17, 2009, 08:30:57 AM
I don't think we've had so many winless or winless vs. D-3 in a season in quite a while.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 17, 2009, 11:54:57 AM
Bard was thumped by Wesleyan 92-67. No surprise there, even with Wesleyan sucking wind in the NESCAC.

Medgar Evers' website says the game against Pratt is on the 18th.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2009, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 17, 2009, 11:54:57 AM
Bard was thumped by Wesleyan 92-67. No surprise there, even with Wesleyan sucking wind in the NESCAC.

Poor Howard. At least baseball season is right around the corner, so he's probably moved on from another year of mourning the woeful state of his Raptors.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 17, 2009, 10:44:22 PM
In 2004 they were 11-13. That must be the high point in a long time. I clicked around their site and in the 90's they usually beat Webb or Pratt but that was it...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 18, 2009, 11:28:07 PM
We have updates!

St. Thomas beat St. John's 82-47 to remain unbeaten.

Macalester, alas, finishes winless, losing 68-47 to St. Olaf.

Bard loses to NY Maritime 91-66.

Principia loses to Westiminster 84-56

THE BIG NEWS! (Ok, not really...) Medgar Evers beat Pratt 72-40. They will enter 2009-10 on a 1-game regular season winning streak!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 22, 2009, 02:07:41 PM
Congrats to St. Thomas for an undefeated regular season.

Congrats to Puget Sound for an undefeated regular season vs. D-3.

As for the winless:

Macalester finished winless.
Crown fell to Presentation and Minnesota-Morris so they are winless.
Bard has one chance left, today, against Yeshiva, to get a win.

Medgar Evers finished winless against D-3.
Philly Bible lost to Centenary to finish winless vs. D-3.
Principia lost by 10 to Blackburn. They face Webster on the 24th.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 22, 2009, 08:20:28 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 22, 2009, 02:07:41 PM
Congrats to St. Thomas for an undefeated regular season.

Congrats to Puget Sound for an undefeated regular season vs. D-3.

As for the winless:

Macalester finished winless.
Crown fell to Presentation and Minnesota-Morris so they are winless.
Bard has one chance left, today, against Yeshiva, to get a win.

Medgar Evers finished winless against D-3.
Philly Bible lost to Centenary to finish winless vs. D-3.
Principia lost by 10 to Blackburn. They face Webster on the 24th.


Bard....wins?!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 22, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 22, 2009, 08:20:28 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 22, 2009, 02:07:41 PM
Congrats to St. Thomas for an undefeated regular season.

Congrats to Puget Sound for an undefeated regular season vs. D-3.

As for the winless:

Macalester finished winless.
Crown fell to Presentation and Minnesota-Morris so they are winless.
Bard has one chance left, today, against Yeshiva, to get a win.

Medgar Evers finished winless against D-3.
Philly Bible lost to Centenary to finish winless vs. D-3.
Principia lost by 10 to Blackburn. They face Webster on the 24th.


Bard....wins?!

Yes they did!!!  75-70 over Yeshiva. They saved the best for last.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 07, 2009, 03:07:44 AM
It's time to start thinking about your picks for the survivor pool. I imagine a lot of people would like to choose Washington U but I think that honor should go to Patrick Abegg and no one else. (it was his Alma Mater).

My choice is Guilford.

Tom, hope you don't mind that I got this going, you're still the fearless leader ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 07, 2009, 05:11:00 AM
I've got Puget Sound even though they have a brutal non-conference schedule including UW-Stevens Point right off the bat...but what can I say, I'm a total homer!   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 07, 2009, 07:14:41 AM
i will take   hope 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 07, 2009, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: magicman link=topic=4059.msg1125053#msg1125053
Tom, hope you don't mind that I got this going, you're still the fearless leader ;D

I do mind.  And yeah, I'm glad you remember I'm the fearless leader! lol :-) 

Not a problem...I was kind of thinking that myself, what team I would pick.  By the way, my wife is the fearless leader and I'm afraid of her.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2009, 11:58:39 AM
I'll take John Carroll. 

(That should guarantee a win for Wooster, with JCU not even surviving November. :P)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Guilford -- Magicman
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi



My pick is Mississippi College.  (I would pick McMurry, but we play in the Lee Pfund against ONU and probably Wheaton if we win, then Mississippi College in Clinton on Nov 30th and later D-1 UT-San Antonio on Jan 2nd.  If McMurry is undefeated (10-0) by then, then this is a special season.)

Thanks for resuming the thread.  Old school must have been busy doin' "honey-do's."   :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2009, 12:31:38 PM
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Guilford -- Magicman
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 07, 2009, 01:02:53 PM
I'll go for my homer pick: MIT.  I am hoping they go into their Dec. 28 matchup with Harvard undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: wooscotsfan on November 07, 2009, 02:22:08 PM
Speaking of homer picks, I will take Wooster

Survivor is a low probability for Wooster since they will likely play #1 Wash U, #2 John Carroll on the road, #4 St. Thomas and #19 Randolph-Macon on the road all before the end of December. :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 07, 2009, 03:44:50 PM
As a fan of the Cleveland Indians, I don't even remember what a "homer" is.  So please put me down for The Richard Stockton College of New Jersey.  They look pretty good into their Jan. 2 neutral-site date with Bridgewater St., who might also be unbeaten at that time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2009, 08:52:12 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 07, 2009, 03:44:50 PM
As a fan of the Cleveland Indians, I don't even remember what a "homer" is.  So please put me down for The Richard Stockton College of New Jersey.  They look pretty good into their Jan. 2 neutral-site date with Bridgewater St., who might also be unbeaten at that time.

Rats! David took my pick.

OK, I'll hitch a ride on the G-Rob express instead and take Franklin & Marshall.

Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Guilford -- Magicman
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Wooster -- wooscotsfan
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
F&M -- Gregory Sager

Edited to untwist the table a bit
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 07, 2009, 09:55:13 PM
I don't expect to win any prizes with this pick, but I just can pick anyone else: Calvin
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 08, 2009, 10:00:30 AM
I am counting on posting regularly to this room after probably 3 weeks into the season...  my data base will make it easy to monitor.   I'm hoping the survivor pool will consider it their official source  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 08, 2009, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Thanks for resuming the thread.  Old school must have been busy doin' "honey-do's."   :D

Give me a little credit.  I updated all the other threads, national pick em, wiac fantasy league, wiac pick em league...lol  :D ;D :o ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 08, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Guilford -- Magicman
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Wooster -- wooscotsfan
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Mass-Dartmouth-Old School
Knightslappy-Calvin
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2009, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 08, 2009, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Thanks for resuming the thread.  Old school must have been busy doin' "honey-do's."   :D

Give me a little credit.  I updated all the other threads, national pick em, wiac fantasy league, wiac pick em league...lol  :D ;D :o ::)
Wow!  You did all of that without her knowing?

Man, I am impressed!  +1!

Well, just set out the template and concept ot the activitiy and the readers/volunteers can pitch in help.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thatdude 30 on November 08, 2009, 03:15:16 PM
I'm going to have to go with Umass Dartmouth. If they get past the early part of their schedule it should be smooth sailing for them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2009, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 08, 2009, 10:00:30 AM
I am counting on posting regularly to this room after probably 3 weeks into the season...  my data base will make it easy to monitor.   I'm hoping the survivor pool will consider it their official source  ;D ;D ;D ;D
The biggest void that we fans need to fill in the content of these message boards will be that left by Patrick Abegg.

Thanks to everyone who makes these boards so much fun to follow!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 08, 2009, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 08, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Knightslappy-Calvin

Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Guilford -- Magicman
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Wooster -- wooscotsfan
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Mass-Dartmouth -- Old School
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Calvin -- Knightslappy  (unless, of course, some guy named Calvin picked some school named Knightslappy and I missed it)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2009, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 08, 2009, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 08, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Knightslappy-Calvin

Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Guilford -- Magicman
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Wooster -- wooscotsfan
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Mass-Dartmouth -- Old School
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Calvin -- Knightslappy  (unless, of course, some guy named Calvin picked some school named Knightslappy and I missed it)

That would be outside the rules, since I believe that Knightslappy University is an NAIA school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 08, 2009, 11:53:29 PM
There's Knightslappy University (NAIA) and Knightslappy College (DIII).  I should've specified.  I apologize.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 08, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2009, 02:28:06 PM

Wow!  You did all of that without her knowing?

Man, I am impressed!  +1!

Well, just set out the template and concept ot the activitiy and the readers/volunteers can pitch in help.

Oh, she knows...she lets me hear about it everytime I step foot in the computer room.   >:(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2009, 12:09:02 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 08, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2009, 02:28:06 PM

Wow!  You did all of that without her knowing?

Man, I am impressed!  +1!

Well, just set out the template and concept ot the activitiy and the readers/volunteers can pitch in help.

Oh, she knows...she lets me hear about it everytime I step foot in the computer room.   >:(

Tom, you just gotta let 'em know who's boss.

Mrs. Ypsi says: Bwahahahaha!  Good one, peon! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 09, 2009, 08:56:49 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 08, 2009, 11:53:29 PM
There's Knightslappy University (NAIA) and Knightslappy College (DIII).  I should've specified.  I apologize.  ;D

I think we're the first shady unaccredited internet college to be granted NCAA status! We offer degrees in any program you wish, so long as you pay your tuition money on time (I accept personal checks).

KinghtSlappy College is still in the provisional period, so no tournament this year. >:(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on November 09, 2009, 12:34:05 PM
For the first time in awhile, they are a credible choice:

Williams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2009, 10:50:13 PM

Right now - everyone's on both lists.  Let's give everyone a hand.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2009, 11:06:31 PM

I can't believe I'm so late to the party.  I see Old School has chosen the same school as someone else for a second year in a row, but he gets respect for being the first one to choose it this season.

I'm also glad we've taken WashU off the board - it's more fair that way and also a fitting tribute.

Are the Pointers trying to show off with that non-conference schedule?

Amherst seems like the best pick for me, but I am going to go out on a limb and blindly support the team I rode into last year's tournament:

Centre.

(Just to get it on the record, Randolph-Macon was my runner up choice.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 10, 2009, 12:22:45 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 09, 2009, 11:06:31 PM
Are the Pointers trying to show off with that non-conference schedule?
Nothing like having 6 of the top 25 teams on the schedule (with another two ORV).

Meh, why not... UWSP
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2009, 02:11:08 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 09, 2009, 11:06:31 PM
I can't believe I'm so late to the party.  I see Old School has chosen the same school as someone else for a second year in a row, but he gets respect for being the first one to choose it this season.

Thanks for the respect! lol :-)  I purposely tried to pick a team that no one else had at the time...and I believe last year I picked a team that someone else already had without knowing that!  So, give me a break!  :P ;D :D ;) :-*

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 10, 2009, 02:34:55 AM
Now with creamy alphabetized goodness in every drop!

Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- Old School (got there first)
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1
Wooster -- wooscotsfan

KnightSlappy College is still available...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ScotsFan on November 10, 2009, 09:29:31 AM
I'm going to jump into the fray this year.  I see just about every 'sexy' pick has been taken so I'm going to go with a team from my childhood stomping grounds and pick UT-Dallas.  8) 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 10, 2009, 01:07:21 PM
I will go with old foe from the 70's  Mike Neer and his University of Rochester team.... 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
If I were smart, I'd switch to Knightslappy College - I hear they haven't lost a game in, like, forever! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 10, 2009, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
If I were smart, I'd switch to Knightslappy College - I hear they haven't lost a game in, like, forever! ;D

KnightSlappy College has learned a lot from watching the Calvin football program (undefeated since 1876!).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2009, 01:00:56 AM
It's not against the rules to pick a team that has already been taken.  In fact, that's kind of unfair.  But, it's not as fun when two posters win after picking the same team.  This isn't a draft where once a team is taken, it can't be taken again.  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 11, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
Update for the new page:

Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- Old School
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
Rochester -- hopefan
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1
Wooster -- wooscotsfan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 12, 2009, 03:09:40 AM
Just because it's no fun (or not as much fun) picking a team that someone else has (even though this year I picked em first!) I'm changing my pick to Amherst.  Besides, I just want to be at the top of the list!  I will reserve the right to claim the survivor crown if Mass-Dartmouth does stay undefeated the longest!


Update for the new page:

Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
Rochester -- hopefan
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1
Wooster -- wooscotsfan

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 12, 2009, 02:51:44 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 10, 2009, 02:11:08 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 09, 2009, 11:06:31 PM
I can't believe I'm so late to the party.  I see Old School has chosen the same school as someone else for a second year in a row, but he gets respect for being the first one to choose it this season.

Thanks for the respect! lol :-)  I purposely tried to pick a team that no one else had at the time...and I believe last year I picked a team that someone else already had without knowing that!  So, give me a break.

It was my team you picked and it ended up being the right team.  That's why I'm bringing it up.  At least we won't have that problem this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: stag44 on November 12, 2009, 03:30:45 PM
I gotta go with my alma mater: Claremont-Mudd-Scripps. Difficult schedule with 2 powerhouse NAIA's, but outside of that, this is a very strong Stag team.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2009, 11:41:36 AM
Hoops Fan,

Yeah, I remember it being St. Thomas and you.  I also remember you winning the tie-breaker! 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 14, 2009, 09:43:15 AM
I'll take St. Thomas
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2009, 11:01:48 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 14, 2009, 09:43:15 AM
I'll take St. Thomas

Possibly Wooster at the beginning of the season and Stevens Point before the end of the year.  Bold pick!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 14, 2009, 12:40:24 PM
Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
CMS -- stag44
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1
Wooster -- wooscotsfan

With UST now taken, the highest-ranked team still on the board is #7 DeSales.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 14, 2009, 01:17:41 PM
Alright PointSpecial...you and me are facing off early.  You have history on your side, I have...hope. I might be out of the survivor pool early.  lol.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Titan Q on November 14, 2009, 01:30:05 PM
Sign me up for the Titans of Illinois Wesleyan...thanks!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 14, 2009, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: LogShow on November 14, 2009, 01:17:41 PM
Alright PointSpecial...you and me are facing off early.  You have history on your side, I have...hope. I might be out of the survivor pool early.  lol.

Point's gotta get by Whitworth first!  Hopefully everything goes fine in the opener tomorrow night and any kinks get worked out before the trip out West!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 14, 2009, 02:25:47 PM
Tom, do you want to set an official cut-off time (presumably sometime tomorrow) for selections?

Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
CMS -- stag44
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
Illinois Wesleyan -- TitanQ
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1
Wooster -- wooscotsfan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2009, 02:58:37 PM
I would say by the end of tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 14, 2009, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 14, 2009, 02:58:37 PM
I would say by the end of tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 14, 2009, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 14, 2009, 02:58:37 PM
I would say by the end of tomorrow night.
Lot of games (http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule/mens/2009-11-15) in the books by then, including 8 Top 25 teams.  I might have suggested noon Eastern; by then just three games will be complete (Lancaster Bible at Eastern Mennonite, Silver Lake at St. Norb's, and Doane at UN-Omaha).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 14, 2009, 05:09:31 PM
Doane at UN-Omaha???? ;D ;D ;D    :o ??? ??? ???
But I would agree, cut off at noon.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2009, 12:09:16 AM
Just wanted to give a 'tip o' the hat' to Q for a gutsy pick.  As a total 'homer', I have usually selected IWU (even when they were basically a freshman/sophomore team), but with a probable game against WashU when the season is only a week old, even I didn't have the guts to select them! :o

[Though, keeping my 'homer' credentials alive, I DID pick IWU over WashU in the IWU pickems!  It was initially by oversight, but I stubbornly refuse to change it! ;D]
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 15, 2009, 01:00:34 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 14, 2009, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 14, 2009, 02:58:37 PM
I would say by the end of tomorrow night.

That's strange... I never wrote anything in that post.  And I can't even remember what I as going to say...

Maybe nothing?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2009, 01:44:02 AM
Noon is fine then. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 15, 2009, 04:47:59 AM
I'll go with DeSales.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2009, 01:15:22 PM
Being that noon Eastern is now passed, here's the final list.  I suppose there'd be no harm in others playing if they want to, with an asterisk for starting late, but that'd be up to Tom.

Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
CMS -- stag44
DeSales -- augie77
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
Illinois Wesleyan -- TitanQ
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1
Wooster -- wooscotsfan

Good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 15, 2009, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2009, 01:15:22 PM
Being that noon Eastern is now passed, here's the final list.  I suppose there'd be no harm in others playing if they want to, with an asterisk for starting late, but that'd be up to Tom.

Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
CMS -- stag44
DeSales -- augie77
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
Illinois Wesleyan -- TitanQ
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1
Wooster -- wooscotsfan

Good luck to everyone!

Well that didn't take long... Richard Stockton drops their first game 68-67 and Mr. Collinge is done.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2009, 04:20:56 PM
Typical of my luck.  I knew I should have taken Wittenberg.

I'm not alone, though, as Albion upends Wooster 57-55, and my friend Paul joins me on the sidelines.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2009, 04:32:37 PM
Ouch.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
UT Dallas is also gone, losers to Austin 79-77 in OT.  ScotsFan, come on down!

Okay, so this silly contest has rid itself of all three Wooster fans before the first day is half done.  I hope you're happy.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 15, 2009, 06:45:43 PM
Point gets 'er done against SJU 81-57.

Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
CMS -- stag44
DeSales -- augie77
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
Illinois Wesleyan -- TitanQ
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Puget Sound -- Log Show
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1


Richard Stockton -- David Collinge
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan
Wooster -- wooscotsfan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2009, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
UT Dallas is also gone, losers to Austin 79-77 in OT.  ScotsFan, come on down!

Okay, so this silly contest has rid itself of all three Wooster fans before the first day is half done.  I hope you're happy.

With all three going down on day one, and the day after Wooster's football team is torched by Witt, this will be a weekend to 'live in infamy'! :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
Yes, Chuck, all in all it was a tough weekend in Woo-town.  Thanks for keeping us in your prayers.  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 15, 2009, 08:54:49 PM
This is why I picked a team that doesn't play until Friday. That way I can't go down on the first day of the season.  :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2009, 01:00:48 PM
Puget Sound goes down.

Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
CMS -- stag44
DeSales -- augie77
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
Illinois Wesleyan -- TitanQ
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1


Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2009, 07:51:22 PM

My team's 1-0!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 18, 2009, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 18, 2009, 07:51:22 PM

My team's 1-0!

Not so fast Hoops Fan. You must have seen what I did on the Wednesday scoreboard. Centre winning 64-54 over Maryville (Tenn.). However that game is only in the 1st half with 8:30 to go and Murville up 19-12.

It was the Centre Women who won 64-54. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 18, 2009, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 18, 2009, 07:51:22 PM

My team's 1-0!

Not so fast Hoops Fan. You must have seen what I did on the Wednesday scoreboard. Centre winning 64-54 over Maryville (Tenn.). However that game is only in the 1st half with 8:30 to go and Murville up 19-12.

It was the Centre Women who won 64-54. Sorry.

Down 40-24 at the half; I'm toast.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 18, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
Down 40-24 at the half; I'm toast.
You know how this game works; if your team is eliminated, you have to start rooting for Wooster.  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 18, 2009, 08:59:46 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 18, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 18, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
Down 40-24 at the half; I'm toast.
You know how this game works; if your team is eliminated, you have to start rooting for Wooster.  :)

I have to wait till I'm eliminated before I can root for Wooster? 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2009, 09:20:56 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 18, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 18, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
Down 40-24 at the half; I'm toast.
You know how this game works; if your team is eliminated, you have to start rooting for Wooster.  :)

I thought the rule was 'if your team is eliminated, you have to start rooting for a team that has NOT been eliminated'! ;D

OK, that was too easy - I'll call myself for a technical foul. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2009, 01:32:22 AM
Guilford now 2-0 and they don't play again until the 24th. I get to watch for the next week and see if the field gets narrowed down.

My symphathies to Hoops Fan who not only got eliminated but was first led to believe he had won his game tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 19, 2009, 01:34:42 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 16, 2009, 01:00:48 PM
Puget Sound goes down.

Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
CMS -- stag44
DeSales -- augie77
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
Illinois Wesleyan -- TitanQ
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1


Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17

Hahaha...that was quick...would have gotten more mileage out of Cal Tech.  PointSpecial are you going to be joining me on the bottom list soon?  :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 19, 2009, 02:02:41 AM
Quote from: LogShow on November 19, 2009, 01:34:42 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 16, 2009, 01:00:48 PM
Puget Sound goes down.

Amherst--Old School
Calvin -- KnightSlappy
Centre -- Hoops Fan
CMS -- stag44
DeSales -- augie77
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
Illinois Wesleyan -- TitanQ
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mass-Dartmouth -- thatdude30
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1


Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17

Hahaha...that was quick...would have gotten more mileage out of Cal Tech.  PointSpecial are you going to be joining me on the bottom list soon?  :D

Well, as a matter of fact, I just got off the phone with Coach Semling and Point's decided not to make the trip to the Northwest... Whitworth and UPS were just a little too scary.  :-P

They should be good games... Honestly, I haven't even really thought about UPS yet because the Whitworth game is first.  I'm going to be up in the Northwoods at my in-laws' hunting shack... I hope I can get radio reception up there!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2009, 03:47:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 09, 2009, 11:06:31 PM

I can't believe I'm so late to the party.  I see Old School has chosen the same school as someone else for a second year in a row, but he gets respect for being the first one to choose it this season.

I'm also glad we've taken WashU off the board - it's more fair that way and also a fitting tribute.

Are the Pointers trying to show off with that non-conference schedule?

Amherst seems like the best pick for me, but I am going to go out on a limb and blindly support the team I rode into last year's tournament:

Centre.

(Just to get it on the record, Randolph-Macon was my runner up choice.)

I'm bringing this post back, just to show that my weasely ways have payed off and supplied me with a second and third choice for whom to root.  So Amherst and RMC, you've got my awful karma on board.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2009, 09:51:28 PM
DeSales falls to New Jersey 76-71.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 20, 2009, 10:15:05 PM
The only reason I didn't take Wittenberg in this contest was that they were scheduled to run into Gettysburg at the Bullets' tournament, and I wasn't sure the Tigers could handle that.  Well, no more, as Messiah dropped Gettysburg by 13 in the preliminary round.  Witt took advantage of my not jinxing them and smoked Catholic by a cool 25. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2009, 10:32:15 PM
Rochester gets me a win vs Green Mountain, but they gave up most of a large half time margin... could be a tough game vs Tufts tomorrow night......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
Old School is happy as Amherst wins 76-51 over Maine-Farmington
Point Special is smiling as the Pointers killed Whitworth 101-79
nescac1 is chuckling as Williams rolls over Southern Vermont 98-74
smedindy is laughing as St. Thomas knocks off Heidelberg 92-55
Greg's grin  ;D is huge as Franklin & Marshall pound New York City Tech 102-40. (When did F&M go to their bench?)

Ralph is breathing a little easier as Mississippi College tops Lakeland 89-78
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
The University of New England goes on a 13-2 run to end the game and downs UMass-Dartmouth 86-84.

Old School is doubly happy as he dumped his 1st choice(UMass-Darthmouth) because thatdude30 hopped on his train. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2009, 01:41:41 AM
Calvin falls to Grace Bible 83-68. Knightslappy now gets to root for Wooster.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2009, 01:55:27 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 21, 2009, 01:41:41 AM
Calvin falls to Grace Bible 83-68. Knightslappy now gets to root for Wooster.

Well, if he wants to.  But I still say the 'rule' is to root for a team eligible for winning 'survivor'! :P

We're nearly half-gone before the first week is out, with either IWU or WashU guaranteed to be out before the weekend is over.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2009, 02:21:39 AM
MIT crushes John Abbott 78-38.

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps tops George Fox 76-67.

hugenerd and stag44 stay alive to fight another day.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2009, 02:51:52 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
Greg's grin  ;D is huge as Franklin & Marshall pound New York City Tech 102-40. (When did F&M go to their bench?)

Probably about the same time as Bethel did in the Royals' 93-21 win over Nebraska Christian tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
Mississippi College has reloaded again.

The Box Score shows that Coach Lofton gave double-digit miinutes to 10 players, and 13 players had 7 or more minutes in the game against Lakeland.

http://www.gochoctaws.com/custompages/mbball/2009-10Stats/LAKVSMC.HTM
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2009, 10:57:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2009, 02:51:52 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
Greg's grin  ;D is huge as Franklin & Marshall pound New York City Tech 102-40. (When did F&M go to their bench?)

Probably about the same time as Bethel did in the Royals' 93-21 win over Nebraska Christian tonight.

Of course, it's easy to beat a team that just dresses five.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2009, 12:51:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
Mississippi College has reloaded again.

The Box Score shows that Coach Lofton gave double-digit miinutes to 10 players, and 13 players had 7 or more minutes in the game against Lakeland.

http://www.gochoctaws.com/custompages/mbball/2009-10Stats/LAKVSMC.HTM

MIT had every non-injured player on their roster play at least 12 minutes in their game against John Abbott (a total of 12 players).  No starter played more than 17 minutes.  MIT plays 11 games by Dec. 12 and Coach Anderson undoubtedly took this opportunity to give the starters a rest before heading into the final 9 games of that stretch (they play 10 games in 22 days, starting with the one yesterday).

http://www.rpiathletics.com/sports/2009/11/20/MBB_1120093921.aspx?id=2535
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2009, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 21, 2009, 10:57:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2009, 02:51:52 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
Greg's grin  ;D is huge as Franklin & Marshall pound New York City Tech 102-40. (When did F&M go to their bench?)

Probably about the same time as Bethel did in the Royals' 93-21 win over Nebraska Christian tonight.

Of course, it's easy to beat a team that just dresses five.

The thing that astonishes me is that Bethel scored 93 points in spite of the fact that the game featured a running clock in the second half.

Nebraska Christian isn't even an NCCAA school. It plays at a level below the NCCAA. Bethel has long had a reputation for cupcake-munching in non-conference play, but this has to be a new low for the Royals.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 04:14:27 PM
John Abbott?  From Montreal? 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2009, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 04:14:27 PM
John Abbott?  From Montreal? 

Yeah, apparently no one wanted to play in RPI's tournament - except MIT, who will take on all comers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2009, 05:41:12 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2009, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 04:14:27 PM
John Abbott?  From Montreal? 

Yeah, apparently no one wanted to play in RPI's tournament - except MIT, who will take on all comers.

Yeah, what a great game.  I am assuming that game falls in the "other" category on the D3 vs. board.  MIT was playing the end of their bench 10 minutes into the first half.  John Abbott did beat Cooper Union pretty handily in the consolation game today, however.

By the way, MIT picks up a quality road win over RPI today in the championship of that tourney.  It was a really close game, but rather sloppy.  MIT plays 9 of its 13 out-of-conference games on the road this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2009, 06:15:12 PM
It was RPI's first game in brand new facility....  it was more like 'Let's get guaranteed win for RPI and MIT to have the ultimate Engineer Championship game'......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2009, 07:11:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2009, 06:15:12 PM
It was RPI's first game in brand new facility....  it was more like 'Let's get guaranteed win for RPI and MIT to have the ultimate Engineer Championship game'......

Im not sure about "ultimate".  MIT plays WPI at least twice every year in an all "Engineers" matchup.  Similarly, I think a matchup of "Beavers", MIT vs. Caltech, would also be a pretty good all-engineering matchup (MIT's other mascot is TIM the Beaver).  But I agree with you, you want to win the first game in a new gym, even if it isnt a team that would be competitive with your JV squad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 21, 2009, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2009, 01:55:27 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 21, 2009, 01:41:41 AM
Calvin falls to Grace Bible 83-68. Knightslappy now gets to root for Wooster.

Well, if he wants to.  But I still say the 'rule' is to root for a team eligible for winning 'survivor'! :P

We're nearly half-gone before the first week is out, with either IWU or WashU guaranteed to be out before the weekend is over.

I'll root for Wooster, so long as their interests don't conflict with my interests.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 21, 2009, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 21, 2009, 09:09:46 PM
I'll root for Wooster, so long as their interests don't conflict with my interests.
Thanks; we need all the help we can get.

In other news, St. Thomas stays alive by edging past Wooster, 84-53.  I suspect Wooster may drop out of the top 10 in the next poll.  :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 21, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Was wooster supposed to play St Thomas the 2nd night of their tourney?  Or did I totally miss St. Thomas losing too?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 21, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 21, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Was Wooster supposed to play St Thomas the 2nd night of their tourney?  Or did I totally miss St. Thomas losing too?
No, this was the championship game of the tourney.  Wooster actually won last night, over Carnegie Mellon (and UST beat Heidelberg, like a drum).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 22, 2009, 09:36:10 PM
PointSpecial,

I thought for a brief moment that you might be joining me on the bottom list  :D   

Good luck to Point through that crazy WIAC season, and hopefully we will meet again in the sweet 16 this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 22, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: LogShow on November 22, 2009, 09:36:10 PM
PointSpecial,

I thought for a brief moment that you might be joining me on the bottom list  :D   

Good luck to Point through that crazy WIAC season, and hopefully we will meet again in the sweet 16 this year.

It sounded to me like UPS couldn't hit the broad side of the barn and Point pulled away when they stopped turning it over.  25 TO's...  That's just unacceptable, even if it IS against UPS!

These Pointers are young, though... they'll get better!

When was the last time UPS scored just 55 points?  In 03-04, I know the 79 points we held them to was the lowest score of the year (ironically, that was the most we let up, too!).  It was 81-63 in Wisconsin in 04-05.  Looks like it was '03, Pac Lutheran held the loggers to 46 (http://www.loggerathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2002-03/files/upsaplu.htm).  Looking at that box score, it seems like it was a similar night... but Pac Lutheran didn't shoot all that well either!

Did the Loggers just miss everything, or did Point's defense keep them from shooting well?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: LogShow on November 23, 2009, 12:37:33 AM
Point,

You are right for about a 7 min stretch in the late 2nd half, UPS couldn't throw the ball in the ocean.  Point played good D and I think the collar might have gotten a bit tight on UPS.  That was our lowest point total in quite some time.  Thanks for bringing up those old UPS/Point scores. lol. It would have been awesome if they would have played a series.  I would have liked for UPS to make adjustments to the press and Point's zone.  As far as that PLU game...wow, that was the most brutal shooting night ever.  That was the year before we started our up tempo and press.  But still it was just awful.

I don't think that UPS will be scoring quite as much this year as they have in years past...they might have to rely on defense more this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 23, 2009, 02:55:45 AM
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps loses to Willamette 94-86 on Sat. 11-21. stagg44 is out.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 23, 2009, 03:22:25 AM
Illinois Wesleyan put up a good fight but goes down to WashU 76-71 and TitanQ is now on the bench.  Ten guys down the 1st week, 11 more to go before we have a winner. I think the lists below are correct.

Amherst--Old School
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1


Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 24, 2009, 09:32:46 PM
Sorry Greg but Franklin & Marshall falls to Lebanon Valley on a 3 pt buzzer beater 62-59. The Survivor Pool has officially been halved.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
Cool!  With Q and Greg fallen, I've already won the key contest as far as I'm concerned - I'm the sole survivor from the CCIW! 8)

Beating the rest of you is just gravy. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2009, 12:19:52 AM
smedindy musta been sweating blood, but the Tommies survive UWRF, 72-71.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2009, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 24, 2009, 09:32:46 PM
Sorry Greg but Franklin & Marshall falls to Lebanon Valley on a 3 pt buzzer beater 62-59. The Survivor Pool has officially been halved.

I'm happy to bow out under these circumstances, since the annual F&M vs. LVC neighborhood-rivalry contest is the biggest game on the docket every year for esteemed Lebanon Valley professor emeritus and d3boards.com HOFer Warren Thompson.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
Cool!  With Q and Greg fallen, I've already won the key contest as far as I'm concerned - I'm the sole survivor from the CCIW! 8)

Beating the rest of you is just gravy. ;D

Gloating over the victory you gained via the downfall of Illinois Wesleyan, Chuck? They're gonna erase you from the alumni rolls for that one. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2009, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 21, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 21, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Was Wooster supposed to play St Thomas the 2nd night of their tourney?  Or did I totally miss St. Thomas losing too?
No, this was the championship game of the tourney.  Wooster actually won last night, over Carnegie Mellon (and UST beat Heidelberg, like a drum).

Wooster lost their opener (right?), that's what I was thinking about!  Thanks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 26, 2009, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 26, 2009, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 21, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 21, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Was Wooster supposed to play St Thomas the 2nd night of their tourney?  Or did I totally miss St. Thomas losing too?
No, this was the championship game of the tourney.  Wooster actually won last night, over Carnegie Mellon (and UST beat Heidelberg, like a drum).

Wooster lost their opener (right?), that's what I was thinking about!  Thanks.
Wooster lost at Albion, knocking wooscotsfan out of this competition, but that was the weekend before the Van Wie Classic, the tournament where UST schooled the Scots in the championship game. 

Thanks for resurrecting these happy memories on Thanksgiving Day!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 27, 2009, 10:18:17 PM
hope   lost  tonight
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2009, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 23, 2009, 03:22:25 AM
Illinois Wesleyan put up a good fight but goes down to WashU 76-71 and TitanQ is now on the bench.  Ten guys down the 1st week, 11 more to go before we have a winner. I think the lists below are correct.

Amherst--Old School
F&M -- Gregory Sager
Guilford -- Magicman
Hope -- hope1
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi
Mississippi College -- Ralph Turner
MIT -- hugenerd
Rochester -- hopefan
St. Thomas -- smedindy
UW Stevens Point -- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis -- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams -- nescac1


Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
Thru 11/27...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 28, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2009, 12:19:52 AM
smedindy musta been sweating blood, but the Tommies survive UWRF, 72-71.

On vacation earlier, didn't have computer access for much of the time. Somebody say my name?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 28, 2009, 09:56:09 PM
This is probably the board I love the most - especially rooting on the winless. Some may say we are mocking, but I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the futile and challenged.

The question is, can the New Jersey Nets win a game before Cal Tech this year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2009, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 28, 2009, 09:56:09 PMThe question is, can the New Jersey Nets win a game before Cal Tech this year?

North Park plays Caltech on the 16th. Considering how awful the Vikings have looked thus far, I'm going to be sweating bullets that night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2009, 03:45:26 AM
Caltech gave Fontbonne a pretty good game last night, but lost 68-60.   Caltech has a player, Mike Edwards, who scored 30 of their 60 points, on 26 FG attempts(over half of the team's attempts).  And it wasn't a one time thing - he's averaging 24 ppg.   The kid is a 6'7" FROSH, who very well could change the fortunes of Caltech hoops if he stays with it.   

Incidently - I actually checked out the undefeated and winless after last weekend - we were in the upper 60s in number in both catagories!!!   I very well may print out a list in the next week

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2009, 04:05:45 AM
The list doesn't change on the 28th - Everyone won or was off for the day  -  I'm concerned about My Rochester YellowJacket team today - at 4-0, they have won each of their games by less than 10, and take on a pretty solid Scranton team this afternoon....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
Amherst (@ Westfield 12/1)--Old School
Guilford (@ North Carolina Wesleyan 12/2)-- Magicman
John Carroll (vs. Wooster 11/29)-- Mr Ypsi
Mississippi College (vs. McMurry 11/30)-- Ralph Turner
MIT (@ Emerson 12/1)-- hugenerd
Rochester (vs. Scranton 11/29)-- hopefan
St. Thomas (vs. Concordia-Moorhead 12/2)-- smedindy
UW Stevens Point (vs. UW-Stout 12/2)-- PointSpecial
Washington U St Louis (vs. McKendree 12/4)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams (at Massachusetts College 11/29) -- nescac1


Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2009, 12:05:48 PM
only a few gimmes on that list  -  the pool could be in a shrinking mode this week....  :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 29, 2009, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 29, 2009, 03:45:26 AM
Caltech gave Fontbonne a pretty good game last night, but lost 68-60.   Caltech has a player, Mike Edwards, who scored 30 of their 60 points, on 26 FG attempts(over half of the team's attempts).  And it wasn't a one time thing - he's averaging 24 ppg.   The kid is a 6'7" FROSH, who very well could change the fortunes of Caltech hoops if he stays with it.   

Incidently - I actually checked out the undefeated and winless after last weekend - we were in the upper 60s in number in both catagories!!!   I very well may print out a list in the next week



Wow, just think, in a lab at CalTech, he could replicate himself and take over the SCIAC and / or rule the world.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 29, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
John Carroll downs Wooster 71-63. Tied at 60 with 2:21 to go JC goes on 11-3 run to close out the Scots. Mr. Y survives a close one.

Rochester over Scranton 75-61. Yellowjackets calm hopefan's worries, winning by more than 10.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 29, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
John Carroll downs Wooster 71-63. Tied at 60 with 2:21 to go JC goes on 11-3 run to close out the Scots. Mr. Y survives a close one.

Rochester over Scranton 75-61. Yellowjackets calm hopefan's worries, winning by more than 10.

Wooster was my scary game.  While Wilmington is 5-1, I suspect they are well below JCU.  I doubt that JCU will run the table (that is vanishingly rare in d3), but I think they will be favored in every game the rest of the season.  I can live with that. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2009, 11:16:06 AM

Both my backup teams remain undefeated.  Don't worry; I'll only make noise about it if they're still undefeated when the last official team goes down.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2009, 11:09:03 PM
at Missisippi College  73, McMurry 62. 

The Choctaws hit 9 of 12 3FG's in the first half!  It was unreal!  They even hit a 30 footer fall away at the final buzzer to stretch the final margin to 11.

They are about 16 players deep.  They are incredibly athletic.

I don't see them being contested until their game at UMHB in January.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2009, 01:24:49 AM
Listed by next game

Guilford (@ North Carolina Wesleyan 12/2)-- Magicman
John Carroll (@ Baldwin-Wallace 12/2)-- Mr Ypsi
Rochester (@ Rochester Tech 12/2)-- hopefan
St. Thomas (vs. Concordia-Moorhead 12/2)-- smedindy
UW Stevens Point (vs. UW-Stout 12/2)-- PointSpecial

MIT (@ Newbury 12/3)-- hugenerd

Washington U St Louis (vs. McKendree 12/4)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Amherst (@ Elms 12/4)--Old School

Mississippi College (@ Schreiner 12/5)-- Ralph Turner
Williams (vs. Vassar 12/5) -- nescac1

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27


Amherst, Williams and MIT all had double-digit wins on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 02:05:16 AM
While it ain't gonna happen, theoretically 7 people could go into the playoffs still alive, since there are only 3 head-to-head match-ups left: 12-29 sees St. Thomas (smedindy) vs. UWSP (Point Special); on 1-9 there is Williams (nescac1) vs. Amherst (Old School), and on 1-29 Rochester (hopefan) takes on WashU (Patrick Abegg).

None of the rest of us faces a selected team, which (alas) doesn't mean we won't lose! :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 03, 2009, 05:56:50 AM
Rochester falls from the unbeaten ranks dropping a 63-58 decision to local rival RIT Wed. night. hopefan says goodnight.

John Carroll, St. Thomas, Guilford, and Stevens Point all win easily.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2009, 06:55:17 AM
My old rival RIT with its cement factory gymnasium (does that thing still exist?) does me in  -  and I thought I was good until the end of January - Mike Neer, I'll not forgive you!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2009, 12:39:26 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 01, 2009, 01:24:49 AM
Listed by next game

Guilford (@ North Carolina Wesleyan 12/2)-- Magicman
John Carroll (@ Baldwin-Wallace 12/2)-- Mr Ypsi
Rochester (@ Rochester Tech 12/2)-- hopefan
St. Thomas (vs. Concordia-Moorhead 12/2)-- smedindy
UW Stevens Point (vs. UW-Stout 12/2)-- PointSpecial

MIT (@ Newbury 12/3)-- hugenerd

Washington U St Louis (vs. McKendree 12/4)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Amherst (@ Elms 12/4)--Old School

Mississippi College (@ Schreiner 12/5)-- Ralph Turner
Williams (vs. Vassar 12/5) -- nescac1

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27


Amherst, Williams and MIT all had double-digit wins on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2009, 01:47:51 AM
Listed by next game

Washington U St Louis (vs. McKendree 12/4)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)

Mississippi College (@ Schreiner 12/5)-- Ralph Turner
Williams (vs. Vassar 12/5) -- nescac1
John Carroll (Muskingum 12/5)-- Mr Ypsi
Guilford (@ Virginia Wesleyan 12/5)-- Magicman
St. Thomas (vs. St. Olaf 12/5)-- smedindy
UW Stevens Point (at River Falls 12/5)-- PointSpecial
MIT (vs. Gordon 12/5)-- hugenerd

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2009, 02:20:53 PM
It has been asked for, and here it is ....

THE UNDEFEATED AND WINLESS   through 12/3/09


UNDEFEATED   (33)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
Skidmore   LL   EAST
Oneonta State   SUNYAC   EAST
Wittenberg   NCAC   GL
John Carroll   OAC   GL
Cabrini   CSAC   MA
Albright   MACC   MA
Alvernia   MACC   MA
Augustana   CCIW   MW
Wheaton (Ill.)   CCIW   MW
St. Norbert   MWC   MW
Washington U.   UAA   MW
Eastern Connecticut   LEC   NE
Elms   NECC   NE
Amherst   NESCAC   NE
Colby   NESCAC   NE
Middlebury   NESCAC   NE
Williams   NESCAC   NE
MIT   NEWMAC   NE
Worcester Polytech   NEWMAC   NE
Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Guilford   ODAC   SOUTH
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH
Birmingham-Southern   SCAC   SOUTH
DePauw   SCAC   SOUTH
Cornell   IIAC   WEST
Chapman   IND   WEST
Augsburg   MIAC   WEST
St. Thomas   MIAC   WEST
Whittier   SCIAC   WEST
UW-Stevens Point   WIAC   WEST
UW-Whitewater   WIAC   WEST
UNDEFEATED vs D3 ONLY   (they have lost to a non d3 team)  (13)

Hope   MIAA   GL
Wilmington   OAC   GL
Mount Ida   GNAC   NE
East Texas Baptist   ASC   SOUTH
Texas-Tyler   ASC   SOUTH
Hampden-Sydney   ODAC   SOUTH
Central   IIAC   WEST
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific   NWC   WEST
Whitman   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST
Presentation   UMAC   WEST
WINLESS  (37)

New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Farmingdale State   SKY   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Bard   SKY   EAST
Geneseo State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Kalamazoo   MIAA   GL
Olivet   MIAA   GL
Denison   NCAC   GL
Capital   OAC   GL
Otterbein   OAC   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
Dickinson   CC   MA
Swarthmore   CC   MA
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Penn State-Berks   NEAC   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Knox   MWC   MW
MacMurray   SLIAC   MW
Eastern Nazarene   CCC   NE
Salve Regina   CCC   NE
Emmanuel   GNAC   NE
Maine-Presque Isle   IND   NE
Salem State   MASCAC   NE
Green Mountain   NAC   NE
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Mitchell   NECC   NE
Hardin-Simmons   ASC   SOUTH
Howard Payne   ASC   SOUTH
Schreiner   ASC   SOUTH
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   WEST
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST
Crown   UMAC   WEST
WINLESS vs D3 ONLY   (they have only beaten a non d3 team)  (29)

D'Youville   AMCC   EAST
Keuka   NEAC   EAST
Fredonia State   SUNYAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Mount Aloysius   AMCC   MA
Gallaudet   CAC   MA
Baptist Bible   CSAC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Lancaster Bible   IND   MA
Wilkes   MACF   MA
Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA
Penn State-Harrisburg   NEAC   MA
Grinnell   MWC   MW
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Greenville   SLIAC   MW
Principia   SLIAC   MW
Johnson State   NAC   NE
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Concordia-Austin   ASC   SOUTH
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH
Emory and Henry   ODAC   SOUTH
Millsaps   SCAC   SOUTH
George Fox   NWC   WEST
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Pacific   NWC   WEST
Minnesota-Morris   UMAC   WEST
Presentation   UMAC   WEST
Note  3 teams, Lewis and Clark, Pacific, and Presentation have yet to play a D3 school and therefore appear on bothe the undefeated vs D3 and Winless vs D3 lists..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2009, 02:31:20 PM
While the list is long, anybody care to have a 'winless survivor' contest to rival the other survivor pool...????

A number of old buddy winless teams out there such as Maine Presque Isle, Caltech, Crown, Bard, Caz...... :-[ :-[ :-[



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 04, 2009, 02:36:43 PM
I'll take Crown.  It's risky because they play a TON of pretty terrible teams!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2009, 05:09:22 PM

I'll go with my alma mater - Eastern Nazarene College.  They have no size or depth and they can't play defense.  Sounds like a winner to me.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2009, 05:38:55 PM
I'm sure they won't win (er ... lose ???), but just for the sake of my favorite sad-sack, I'll take UMPI.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2009, 09:10:06 PM
Sorry Tom, #13 Amherst bites the dust 88-79 as #20 Elms takes them down.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2009, 09:16:11 PM
Elms had 45 free throws and made 32. Amherst had 13 attempts and made 7. Home court advantage??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2009, 12:15:31 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 04, 2009, 09:16:11 PM
Elms had 45 free throws and made 32. Amherst had 13 attempts and made 7. Home court advantage??

19 of those 45 were in the last 2:50 when Amherst was fouling to try to get back in the game.  In reality the FT disparity was a lot more reasonable: 26-13.  Still in favor of Elms but not nearly as bad as the initial numbers looked. 

Two starters for Amherst also didnt play most of the game: David Waller only played 8 minutes and Kurt Bennett only played 5 minutes.  There is no mention of them in the game write-up, but Waller, especially, is usually a big part of the Amherst attack.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2009, 01:58:43 AM
Poop!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 05:16:30 AM
Amherst, Wheaton(Ill), and Skidmore all lost Friday night.

Fredonia St. finally got a win beating Buffalo St. Friday night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 05:26:03 AM
I'm sure they will win because they won't win so I'll take Caltech. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2009, 06:13:08 AM
I'd better get in this -  I'll take a little Raptormania with Bard
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2009, 09:38:53 AM
Magicman   wondering how Paul Smith's stacks up against our selections??? ;D ;D   and, just out of curiosity, who was Paul Smith?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 05, 2009, 09:38:53 AM
Magicman   wondering how Paul Smith's stacks up against our selections??? ;D ;D   and, just out of curiosity, who was Paul Smith?

hopefan,

Paul Smith's did win a game this year already, but it may be the only one they will win and it was against a 2 yr. school called Word of Life Bible Institute. They played Word of Life on Nov. 15th and lost 91-79 but came back to win against them 2 days later on the 17th 73-66. Paul Smith's rooster shows them with 10 players but I read last week that they only have 6 or 7 guys on the team. Our local 2 year school Clinton Community College beat them on Tuesday night 74-59. Paul Smith's has been a 2 year school for most of their existence but just recently(within the past 3 years, I believe) became a 4 year school and joined NAIA II. I don't think they will beat any 4 year school this year. However they do get to play the UMaine-Presque Isle Owls twice this year but I'd bet on the Owls. Sorry Mr. Ypsi but I think you'll have 2 wins there.

Apollos (Paul) Smith was born in 1825 in Milton, Vermont and became well known as a hotelier in the Adirondacks. The following link briefly tells his story:

http://www.answers.com/topic/apollos-smith     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on December 05, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 28, 2009, 09:56:09 PM
The question is, can the New Jersey Nets win a game before Cal Tech this year?

Yes:

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/12/nj_nets_ends_record-setting_lo.html

I have always had a soft spot for Caltech. The Beavers have won one game each of the last three seasons (Bard, Gallaudet, Polytechnic), and I think that I may be the only person besides a player or a coach to have seen all three victories. I try to pick out the game(s) I think Caltech has the best chance of winning so I can be there if it happens. This season I see possible wins against Rivier and Westminster on the schedule, but if Sager's worried about North Park maybe I'll go see that game, too. Of course, I really want to be at the game when CIT finally breaks its SCIAC losing streak which I believe now stands at 287 straight losses dating back to 1985, just as long as they don't do it against Oxy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 03:07:00 PM
I may be the next one to take a seat as Virginia Wesleyan leads my Quakers 36-33 at the half. Will be sweating this one out.

Live stats are all screwed up as they show Virginia Wesleyan players having scored 83 points to Guilford's 33 pts.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 04:13:54 PM
I will take a seat next to Old School as Guilford drops a 71-68 decision to Virginia Wesleyan. I might qualify for most improved award though as I lasted for 3 weeks this year. Last year I was the 1st one out.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 04:25:46 PM
Mr. Ypsi survives to fight another day as John Carroll drops Muskingum 76-66.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2009, 04:45:45 PM
From 22 entrants, we're down to the final 7.  Congrats, fellow survivors - we're guaranteed to finish in the top third! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 05, 2009, 05:12:43 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2009, 04:13:54 PM
I will take a seat next to Old School as Guilford drops a 71-68 decision to Virginia Wesleyan. I might qualify for most improved award though as I lasted for 3 weeks this year. Last year I was the 1st one out.
So what you're saying is there's hope for me next year? ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: scout on December 05, 2009, 05:40:50 PM
hugenard is still alive as MIT survives Gordon in overtime 78-73. MIT is now 8-0, a record start for the engineers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 05, 2009, 05:12:43 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2009, 04:13:54 PM
I will take a seat next to Old School as Guilford drops a 71-68 decision to Virginia Wesleyan. I might qualify for most improved award though as I lasted for 3 weeks this year. Last year I was the 1st one out.
So what you're saying is there's hope for me next year? ;)

By all means, Hope will be there for you next year, I just don't know if that would be a good choice. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2009, 06:41:50 PM
Oneonta falls from the undefeated list as Plattsburgh travels to the Red Dragon's lair and comes away with a 60-58 victory.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 05, 2009, 07:03:46 PM
I've now lost my second-chance Survivor, even before anyone has suggested a second-chance Survivor competition!  (It was Wittenberg, thumped today at Hiram.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 05, 2009, 07:06:14 PM
You can scratch Wittenberg from the unbeaten list, as the Tigers got blasted at Hiram this afternoon, 92-74.
You can also scratch Denison from the winless list, as the Big Red handled Wabash at home, 78-71.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2009, 08:40:21 PM
Guilford falls at VWU.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2009, 10:20:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 05, 2009, 12:57:00 PMI try to pick out the game(s) I think Caltech has the best chance of winning so I can be there if it happens. This season I see possible wins against Rivier and Westminster on the schedule, but if Sager's worried about North Park maybe I'll go see that game, too.

Great. Me and my big mouth. ::) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2009, 11:55:50 PM
I'll take Green Mountain.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:22:26 AM
I'll take Otterbein.

Has anybody noticed how odd it is to see Salem State on the winless list?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 06, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:22:26 AM
I'll take Otterbein.

Has anybody noticed how odd it is to see Salem State on the winless list?

I was shocked that they've been as successful as they have been in the oughts.  They've never really been on my radar, but they've been nothing if not consistet this decade.  Up to this year, that is.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:36:32 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 06, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:22:26 AM
I'll take Otterbein.

Has anybody noticed how odd it is to see Salem State on the winless list?

I was shocked that they've been as successful as they have been in the oughts.  They've never really been on my radar, but they've been nothing if not consistet this decade.  Up to this year, that is.

Not just this decade, PS. Few people realize it, but Salem State ranks third in all-time D3 tourney appearances, behind Wittenberg and Scranton. Most years you can just write in their name in ink in your D3 tourney bracket before the season even starts. (You can also plan on them being out by the end of the first weekend of play, but that's another matter,) The Vikings have owned the MASCAC, lock, stock, and barrel, winning 23 of the league's 35 regular-season titles in the D3 era, including at least a share of the last 19 in a row.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 06, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:36:32 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 06, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:22:26 AM
I'll take Otterbein.

Has anybody noticed how odd it is to see Salem State on the winless list?

I was shocked that they've been as successful as they have been in the oughts.  They've never really been on my radar, but they've been nothing if not consistet this decade.  Up to this year, that is.

Not just this decade, PS. Few people realize it, but Salem State ranks third in all-time D3 tourney appearances, behind Wittenberg and Scranton. Most years you can just write in their name in ink in your D3 tourney bracket before the season even starts. (You can also plan on them being out by the end of the first weekend of play, but that's another matter,) The Vikings have owned the MASCAC, lock, stock, and barrel, winning 23 of the league's 35 regular-season titles in the D3 era, including at least a share of the last 19 in a row.

That's just it.  They haven't made any noise in the dance and they haven't rattled off any ultra-impressive regular seasons either.  I'm just surprised there was a team that had been that successful in the regular season that I really didn't know about after a decade of closely following D-III.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2009, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 04, 2009, 01:47:51 AM
Listed by next game

Washington U St Louis (vs. McKendree 12/4)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)

Mississippi College (@ Schreiner 12/5)-- Ralph Turner
Williams (vs. Vassar 12/5) -- nescac1
John Carroll (Muskingum 12/5)-- Mr Ypsi
Guilford (@ Virginia Wesleyan 12/5)-- Magicman   At the Fishtank!
St. Thomas (vs. St. Olaf 12/5)-- smedindy
UW Stevens Point (at River Falls 12/5)-- PointSpecial
MIT (vs. Gordon 12/5)-- hugenerd

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 06, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:36:32 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 06, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:22:26 AM
I'll take Otterbein.

Has anybody noticed how odd it is to see Salem State on the winless list?

I was shocked that they've been as successful as they have been in the oughts.  They've never really been on my radar, but they've been nothing if not consistet this decade.  Up to this year, that is.

Not just this decade, PS. Few people realize it, but Salem State ranks third in all-time D3 tourney appearances, behind Wittenberg and Scranton. Most years you can just write in their name in ink in your D3 tourney bracket before the season even starts. (You can also plan on them being out by the end of the first weekend of play, but that's another matter,) The Vikings have owned the MASCAC, lock, stock, and barrel, winning 23 of the league's 35 regular-season titles in the D3 era, including at least a share of the last 19 in a row.

That's just it.  They haven't made any noise in the dance and they haven't rattled off any ultra-impressive regular seasons either.  I'm just surprised there was a team that had been that successful in the regular season that I really didn't know about after a decade of closely following D-III.

Well, the Vikings did make it to the Final Four in 2000, a development that shocked the heck out of me. I don't think that any MASCAC team had ever even made the Elite Eight before that point. Of course, once Salem State got to its namesake town in Virginia the Vikings promptly threw up on themselves in the semifinals, losing to UW-Eau Claire by 28. Give 'em credit, though, for bouncing back the next day and beating Franklin & Marshall in the third-place game.

I think that that's the only time Salem State has ever made it out of the first weekend of the tournament.

The 2006-07 Salem State team went 24-2 in the regular season, 12-0 in the MASCAC. That seems pretty ultra-impressive to me. Of course, you have to make allowances for the level of competition.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 06, 2009, 03:57:31 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 06, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:36:32 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 06, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2009, 12:22:26 AM
I'll take Otterbein.

Has anybody noticed how odd it is to see Salem State on the winless list?

I was shocked that they've been as successful as they have been in the oughts.  They've never really been on my radar, but they've been nothing if not consistet this decade.  Up to this year, that is.

Not just this decade, PS. Few people realize it, but Salem State ranks third in all-time D3 tourney appearances, behind Wittenberg and Scranton. Most years you can just write in their name in ink in your D3 tourney bracket before the season even starts. (You can also plan on them being out by the end of the first weekend of play, but that's another matter,) The Vikings have owned the MASCAC, lock, stock, and barrel, winning 23 of the league's 35 regular-season titles in the D3 era, including at least a share of the last 19 in a row.

That's just it.  They haven't made any noise in the dance and they haven't rattled off any ultra-impressive regular seasons either.  I'm just surprised there was a team that had been that successful in the regular season that I really didn't know about after a decade of closely following D-III.

Well, the Vikings did make it to the Final Four in 2000, a development that shocked the heck out of me. I don't think that any MASCAC team had ever even made the Elite Eight before that point. Of course, once Salem State got to its namesake town in Virginia the Vikings promptly threw up on themselves in the semifinals, losing to UW-Eau Claire by 28. Give 'em credit, though, for bouncing back the next day and beating Franklin & Marshall in the third-place game.

I think that that's the only time Salem State has ever made it out of the first weekend of the tournament.

The 2006-07 Salem State team went 24-2 in the regular season, 12-0 in the MASCAC. That seems pretty ultra-impressive to me. Of course, you have to make allowances for the level of competition.

I'll agree with that one, though your caveat is noted. 

I was pretty high on Point that year (the basketball team, not the beer), as they also went 24-2.  I guess I should rephrase... I don't usually spend too much time focusing on teams that are BEHIND Point unless they're within about 8 hours of me.   ;) :P  That means my view is limited, which, since I've graduated and migrated back south to Illinois is convenient 'cause I don't have the same time to focus on things as I used to.  And as many of the teams ahead of Point (or ranked highly, in general) are within my local window, that limited view has some crossover!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2009, 05:55:17 PM
Perfect through Dec 5

UNDEFEATED (23)
Medaille   AMCC   EAST
John Carroll   OAC   GL
Cabrini   CSAC   MA
Albright   MACC   MA
Augustana   CCIW   MW
St. Norbert   MWC   MW
Washington U.   UAA   MW
Colby   NESCAC   NE
Middlebury   NESCAC   NE
Williams   NESCAC   NE
MIT   NEWMAC   NE
Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH
Birmingham-Southern   SCAC   SOUTH
DePauw   SCAC   SOUTH
Cornell   IIAC   WEST
Chapman   IND   WEST
Augsburg   MIAC   WEST
St. Thomas   MIAC   WEST
Whittier   SCIAC   WEST
UW-Stevens Point   WIAC   WEST
UW-Whitewater   WIAC   WEST
(10 dropped off in two days!!  Skidmore, Oneonta, Wittenberg, Alvernia, Wheaton (Ill), East Conn, Elms, Amherst, WPI, Guilford)


UNDEFEATED vs D3  -  they have lost to a non D3 (10)

Wilmington   OAC   GL
Mount Ida   GNAC   NE
Hampden-Sydney   ODAC   SOUTH
Central   IIAC   WEST
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific   NWC   WEST
Whitman   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST
Presentation   UMAC   WEST
3 dropped off, (Hope, E Texas Baptist, Texas Tyler)


WINLESS (21)

New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
Bard   SKY   EAST
Kalamazoo   MIAA   GL
Otterbein   OAC   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
Dickinson   CC   MA
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Eastern Nazarene   CCC   NE
Salve Regina   CCC   NE
Maine-Presque Isle   IND   NE
Salem State   MASCAC   NE
Green Mountain   NAC   NE
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Hardin-Simmons   ASC   SOUTH
Howard Payne   ASC   SOUTH
Schreiner   ASC   SOUTH
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST
16 dropped off the list!!!   (Farmingdale State, Morrisville, Geneseo, Alma, Olivet, Denison, Capital, Swarthmore, PSU Berks, Knox, MacMurray, Emmanuel, Mitchell, Linfield, Pacific Lutheran, Crown)

WINLESS VS D3   They have beaten a non D3  (27)

D'Youville   AMCC   EAST
Keuka   NEAC   EAST
Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Olivet   MIAA   GL
Mount Aloysius   AMCC   MA
Gallaudet   CAC   MA
Baptist Bible   CSAC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Lancaster Bible   IND   MA
Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA
Grinnell   MWC   MW
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Greenville   SLIAC   MW
Principia   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Concordia-Austin   ASC   SOUTH
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH
Emory and Henry   ODAC   SOUTH
Millsaps   SCAC   SOUTH
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific   NWC   WEST
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   WEST
The list shortened by two, but there were numerous adds that had been winless, but beat a non
D3 team, and several from the list that fell off be beating a D3 team.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2009, 06:02:44 PM
Winless pick em is closed

Sager   -  Otterbein
Hoops Fan   -  Eastern Nazarene
Mr. Ypsi   -    UMPI
Magicman    -    Caltech
Hopefan   -     Bard
Smedindy     -     Green Mountain

All survived a harrowing 2 days...

But Pointspecial loses when the first selection in the draft, Crown, Wins :'(

uh oh  Green Mountain beats St Joe's Vermont  today, 12/6/09 -    Smedindy is out
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 06, 2009, 09:07:10 PM
Green Mountain falls off the winless list as they beat non D3 St. Joseph's (VT) 75-61 to avenge their earlier 87-82 double overtime loss to St. Joe's on Nov. 16th.

Salem State wins their 1st of the season 94-89 over the Babson Beavers.
Quote from: hopefan on December 06, 2009, 06:02:44 PM
Winless pick em is closed

Sager   -  Otterbein
Hoops Fan   -  Eastern Nazarene
Mr. Ypsi   -    UMPI
Magicman    -    Caltech
Hopefan   -     Bard
Smedindy     -     Green Mountain

All survived a harrowing 2 days...

But Pointspecial loses when the first selection in the draft, Crown, Wins :'(

uh oh  Green Mountain beats St Joe's Vermont  today, 12/6/09 -    Smedindy is out
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 06, 2009, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 06, 2009, 06:02:44 PM
Winless pick em is closed

Sager   -  Otterbein
Hoops Fan   -  Eastern Nazarene
Mr. Ypsi   -    UMPI
Magicman    -    Caltech
Hopefan   -     Bard
Smedindy     -     Green Mountain

All survived a harrowing 2 days...

But Pointspecial loses when the first selection in the draft, Crown, Wins :'(

uh oh  Green Mountain beats St Joe's Vermont  today, 12/6/09 -    Smedindy is out

Darn... well, I'm happy for 'em.  I guess I'll have to just settle for my undefeated team...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2009, 01:18:47 AM
Ah, it was too good to last, wasn't it.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2009, 05:05:33 AM
When I looked at Sunday's matchups on my master schedule, I had to chuckle  -   it was the big game for winless fans.... our boys from UMPI vs the one team they handle year in and year out - Unity College... a tiny northern Maine school that specializes in Forestry....

it was on my schedule, it was on D3hoops schedue......    But no score....   alas, I went to both school sites... the game is off the schedule!!!!! 

Mr YPSI can breathe a huge sigh of relief, and scour the schedule for UMPI's big games with Paul Smith's   -  I bet we can get the magicman to go to that one and get a live report!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2009, 11:21:23 AM
A missing UMPI score - who'd a thunk it! :o ;D

That's the real reason I took 'em - they could win a game and no one would know for months! 8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2009, 12:40:02 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 05, 2009, 07:03:46 PM
I've now lost my second-chance Survivor, even before anyone has suggested a second-chance Survivor competition!  (It was Wittenberg, thumped today at Hiram.)

I prefer to call it "the team I should have picked," and mine (RMC) is still going strong.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2009, 12:43:50 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 07, 2009, 05:05:33 AM
When I looked at Sunday's matchups on my master schedule, I had to chuckle  -   it was the big game for winless fans.... our boys from UMPI vs the one team they handle year in and year out - Unity College... a tiny northern Maine school that specializes in Forestry....

it was on my schedule, it was on D3hoops schedue......    But no score....   alas, I went to both school sites... the game is off the schedule!!!!! 

Mr YPSI can breathe a huge sigh of relief, and scour the schedule for UMPI's big games with Paul Smith's   -  I bet we can get the magicman to go to that one and get a live report!!!

The dogsled with the boxscore has not yet reached the nearest computer down in Bangor.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2009, 12:44:57 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2009, 12:26:19 PM
Paul Smith's rooster shows them with 10 players but I read last week that they only have 6 or 7 guys on the team.  

Is this some sort of fortune-telling farm animal?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2009, 12:52:00 AM
Paul Smith's nickname is the Bobcats, but perhaps this should be one of those instances like Auburn, in which the nickname (Tigers) is a different animal than the mascot (Eagle).

Too bad, as Bobcats is a pretty common nickname and therefore rather pedestrian. I don't know of any college team called the Roosters, which would be a pretty darn cool nickname.

Sometimes the best ideas come from a typo!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2009, 12:56:03 AM
Just in case anyone misunderstood, the UMPI - UNITY game was cancelled.  Because of the heavy interest  in this room, I emailed UMPI  -  Coach responded, Unity had to cancel
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2009, 01:45:35 AM
Unity probably had an emergency hacky sack tournament....or Phish was doing a secret concert up there.

Duuuuude....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2009, 05:01:22 AM
Next Winless Pool Games:

Otterbein (Sager) hosts ONU (3-3)  12/9

Eastern Nazarene (Hoops Fan)  hosts Wheelock (4-2)  1/5    (a long rest, Hoops)

UMPI  (Mr. Ypsi) at Maine (D1) 12/9    ouch

Caltech  (Magicman)  hosts North Park (4-3) 12/16

Bard  (hopefan)  hosts SUNY Purchase (2-3)    could be close
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2009, 10:33:35 AM
Anyone got the Vegas odds on Maine / UMPI? Maine by fiddy?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2009, 10:37:40 AM
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/main/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/Umpinotes.pdf

You know you want the game notes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2009, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: Maine Game NotesThe game will be streamed live on www.GoBlackBears.com by clicking on the camera icon.
Must.  See.  TV.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 09, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2009, 05:01:22 AM
Next Winless Pool Games:

Otterbein (Sager) hosts ONU (3-3)  12/9

Eastern Nazarene (Hoops Fan)  hosts Wheelock (4-2)  1/5    (a long rest, Hoops)

UMPI  (Mr. Ypsi) at Maine (D1) 12/9    ouch

Caltech  (Magicman)  hosts North Park (4-3) 12/16

Bard  (hopefan)  hosts SUNY Purchase (2-3) 12-9.    could be close


hopefan,

Bard does host SUNY Purchase but that will occur today on 12-9 not on 2-3. On 2-3 SUNY Purchase will host Bard. (hopefully seeking revenge ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2009, 05:08:13 PM
Magic, from one senile guy to another---    while I failed to indicate the 12/9 date, the 2-3 represents SUNY Purchase's Won-Loss record  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 09, 2009, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: Maine Game NotesThe game will be streamed live on www.GoBlackBears.com by clicking on the camera icon.
Must.  See.  TV.

Is there anybody in the entire state of Maine who talks fast enough to do play-by-play?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2009, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 09, 2009, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: Maine Game NotesThe game will be streamed live on www.GoBlackBears.com by clicking on the camera icon.
Must.  See.  TV.

Is there anybody in the entire state of Maine who talks fast enough to do play-by-play?

There are plenty of them in Portland, but I don't know about Orono. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2009, 07:06:24 PM
And in the "SIDs can whitewash ANYTHING department"

QuoteMaine is coming off a loss at #7 Syracuse that saw the Black Bears score 43 points in ths second half- the most an opponent has scored against the Orange in a half this season.

Maine lost 101-55. Doing some math means that Maine score 12 points in the first half. Oops. The score at the half? 60-12.

And still Boeheim could only afford 1 minute to three walk-ons and 4 to another player. Yeesh. If I was ahead 60-12 after the first half I'd dress the student managers and trainers and maybe that one guy in the fifth row, over there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2009, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 09, 2009, 07:06:24 PM
And in the "SIDs can whitewash ANYTHING department"

QuoteMaine is coming off a loss at #7 Syracuse that saw the Black Bears score 43 points in ths second half- the most an opponent has scored against the Orange in a half this season.

Maine lost 101-55. Doing some math means that Maine score 12 points in the first half. Oops. The score at the half? 60-12.

And still Boeheim could only afford 1 minute to three walk-ons and 4 to another player. Yeesh. If I was ahead 60-12 after the first half I'd dress the student managers and trainers and maybe that one guy in the fifth row, over there.

Based on those stats, why didn't the SID lead with "Maine outscores Syracuse 43-41 in the 2nd half"?! ;D

Never have liked Boeheim.

I think UMPI is safely in the loss column tonite. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 09, 2009, 08:21:36 PM
Looks like we'll have to wait another night...

LINK (http://goblackbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/120909aab.html)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2009, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 09, 2009, 08:21:36 PM
Looks like we'll have to wait another night...

LINK (http://goblackbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/120909aab.html)

Aw, that's one I was confident they would lose anyway. ;)  I'm counting on any game they might actually win to be snowed out (or at least results never posted)! ;D 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2009, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 09, 2009, 07:06:24 PM
And in the "SIDs can whitewash ANYTHING department"

QuoteMaine is coming off a loss at #7 Syracuse that saw the Black Bears score 43 points in ths second half- the most an opponent has scored against the Orange in a half this season.

Maine lost 101-55. Doing some math means that Maine score 12 points in the first half. Oops. The score at the half? 60-12.

And still Boeheim could only afford 1 minute to three walk-ons and 4 to another player. Yeesh. If I was ahead 60-12 after the first half I'd dress the student managers and trainers and maybe that one guy in the fifth row, over there.

Boeheim was the coach of the Syracuse JV team back in the '70s when I was a kid, when Roy Danforth was the varsity coach. You'd think that someone who used to coach the Tangerines (that's what they called Syracuse's JV team) would be a little more sympathetic to the plight of the walk-on.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2009, 10:09:37 PM
Heavenly days, McGee!   :o
Mt. Union 67, John Carroll 62
Mr. Ypsi
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 09, 2009, 10:09:37 PM
Heavenly days, McGee!   :o
Mt. Union 67, John Carroll 62
Mr. Ypsi

Hey, David, this isn't the football board - don't toy with me like that. :P

OMG!  He's right!  How is that even possible! :o

I didn't expect JCU to run the table, but MOUNT UNION?! ::) 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2009, 10:55:02 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2009, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 09, 2009, 07:06:24 PM
And in the "SIDs can whitewash ANYTHING department"

QuoteMaine is coming off a loss at #7 Syracuse that saw the Black Bears score 43 points in ths second half- the most an opponent has scored against the Orange in a half this season.

Maine lost 101-55. Doing some math means that Maine score 12 points in the first half. Oops. The score at the half? 60-12.

And still Boeheim could only afford 1 minute to three walk-ons and 4 to another player. Yeesh. If I was ahead 60-12 after the first half I'd dress the student managers and trainers and maybe that one guy in the fifth row, over there.

Boeheim was the coach of the Syracuse JV team back in the '70s when I was a kid, when Roy Danforth was the varsity coach. You'd think that someone who used to coach the Tangerines (that's what they called Syracuse's JV team) would be a little more sympathetic to the plight of the walk-on.

Have you seen Syracuse's defense this year?  These guys do not have the zone as tight as Boeheim would like; I imagine that's why he left the big guns in for so long.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 09, 2009, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
Wooster was my scary game.  While Wilmington is 5-1, I suspect they are well below JCU.  I doubt that JCU will run the table (that is vanishingly rare in d3), but I think they will be favored in every game the rest of the season.  I can live with that. :D

I think the Mount Union coaching staff saw the lack of respect you gave them in this post (jumping over them and mentioning Wilmington) and used it as bulletin board material. How else can you explain JCU's loss? ;) :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2009, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 09, 2009, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
Wooster was my scary game.  While Wilmington is 5-1, I suspect they are well below JCU.  I doubt that JCU will run the table (that is vanishingly rare in d3), but I think they will be favored in every game the rest of the season.  I can live with that. :D

I think the Mount Union coaching staff saw the lack of respect you gave them in this post (jumping over them and mentioning Wilmington) and used it as bulletin board material. How else can you explain JCU's loss? ;) :D

1. You mean I caused my own demise? :(

2. You mean MUC pays attention to ME? :o ;D

Getting 67 points is for MUC football, not basketball! :D  (Though I suppose it is decades since football allowed the OTHER team 62. :P)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 09, 2009, 11:41:44 PM

[/quote]

Boeheim was the coach of the Syracuse JV team back in the '70s when I was a kid, when Roy Danforth was the varsity coach. You'd think that someone who used to coach the Tangerines (that's what they called Syracuse's JV team) would be a little more sympathetic to the plight of the walk-on.
[/quote]
  According to his wikipedia entry, Boeheim was a walk-on himself at Syracuse; seems to be even more reason to use his bench in the 2nd half. I saw Jim play frequently with the Scranton Miners team in the Eastern League after his Syracuse playing days had ended.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 10, 2009, 12:53:57 AM
Listed by next game

UW Stevens Point (at Whitewater 12/10)-- PointSpecial
MIT (vs. Salem St. 12/10)-- hugenerd
Mississippi College (vs. Wesley (Miss) 12/12)-- Ralph Turner
Washington U St Louis (vs. Augustana 12/12)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
Williams (vs. Springfield 12/12) -- nescac1
St. Thomas (at Concordia-St. Paul 12/22)-- smedindy

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4
Guilford -- Magicman -- 12/5   
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi -- 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2009, 01:30:03 AM
GS stays alive as Otterbein loses to Ohio Northern (barely) 75-72.

hopefan's Bard loses to SUNY Purchase 91-71. And what were the odds that Purchase's 2-3 won-lost record would also be the date of their return engagement with Bard. ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: oldchap on December 10, 2009, 01:55:18 PM
It is a heart filled with sadness that I have to announce that Chapman fell from the Undefeated list last night by being handed a tough loss (56-57) against Claremont. As the coach said to his players after the game: "I hope you weren't expecting to go undefeated this season, were you?". Any team on any given day can have an off-shooting night, but when you combine it with the fact that Chapman had the ball with 20 seconds to go and were only down by 1 point, it's a heart breaker. Congrats to CMS who was relentless and never let their guard down (no pun intended...  :P)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2009, 09:16:34 PM
hugenerd drenched in perspiration as MIT squeaks one out in OT 98-93 over Salem St.

PointSpecial happy right now as his Pointers GET to overtime.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2009, 09:59:49 PM
Stevens Point loses to Whitewater 67-60 in OT and PointSpecial survives no longer. Pool now down to 5 players.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2009, 10:16:35 PM
UMPI lost 133-58.

So what would have been the margin of a UMPI vs. Syracuse game.

And would Boeheim play the walk-ons THEN?

http://goblackbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2009-2010/umumpi.html
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2009, 10:25:39 PM
Dang!  I wish UMPI had saved some of those opponent's points for a game they might win! :D

[I'm not really as ghoulish as I sound. :P  My dad grew up in Maine, my parents met at the U of Maine, I've been there at least 25 summers of my life.  That's WHY UMPI (besides the irresistible acronym ;)) is my favorite sad-sack team.  I really do wish them well - just not before everyone else in the pool has a win! ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2009, 11:32:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2009, 10:25:39 PM
Dang!  I wish UMPI had saved some of those opponent's points for a game they might win! :D

[I'm not really as ghoulish as I sound. :P  My dad grew up in Maine, my parents met at the U of Maine, I've been there at least 25 summers of my life.  That's WHY UMPI (besides the irresistible acronym ;)) is my favorite sad-sack team.  I really do wish them well - just not before everyone else in the pool has a win! ;D)

Well the latest you'll be alive is Jan. 23rd. That's the day Paul Smith's comes to town and makes your team a winner....that will make you a loser.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2009, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2009, 11:32:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2009, 10:25:39 PM
Dang!  I wish UMPI had saved some of those opponent's points for a game they might win! :D

[I'm not really as ghoulish as I sound. :P  My dad grew up in Maine, my parents met at the U of Maine, I've been there at least 25 summers of my life.  That's WHY UMPI (besides the irresistible acronym ;)) is my favorite sad-sack team.  I really do wish them well - just not before everyone else in the pool has a win! ;D)

Well the latest you'll be alive is Jan. 23rd. That's the day Paul Smith's comes to town and makes your team a winner....that will make you a loser.

Not if nobody can ever find a score - this IS UMPI we're discussing! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2009, 11:46:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2009, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2009, 11:32:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2009, 10:25:39 PM
Dang!  I wish UMPI had saved some of those opponent's points for a game they might win! :D

[I'm not really as ghoulish as I sound. :P  My dad grew up in Maine, my parents met at the U of Maine, I've been there at least 25 summers of my life.  That's WHY UMPI (besides the irresistible acronym ;)) is my favorite sad-sack team.  I really do wish them well - just not before everyone else in the pool has a win! ;D)

Well the latest you'll be alive is Jan. 23rd. That's the day Paul Smith's comes to town and makes your team a winner....that will make you a loser.

Not if nobody can ever find a score - this IS UMPI we're discussing! ;D
[/quote]
Don't worry Chuck I'll be sure and find that score even if I have to call up Paul Smith's coach to get it. ;D ;)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2009, 11:54:44 PM
I'll count on him refusing to admit it if he lost! ;)

I have great faith that UMPI could win a game and the world will never know! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 11, 2009, 12:11:56 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2009, 10:16:35 PM
UMPI lost 133-58.

So what would have been the margin of a UMPI vs. Syracuse game.

And would Boeheim play the walk-ons THEN?

http://goblackbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2009-2010/umumpi.html

70-19 at the half..........maybe someone should have considered playing the walkon's sooner in this one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2009, 12:20:12 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2009, 11:54:44 PM
I have great faith that UMPI could win a game and the world will never know!

They don't even play basketball; they just lure young athletes there to do strange experiments and then wipe their memories.  Where's Mulder when you need him?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2009, 12:37:10 AM

I'd just like to point out that Smed's winless pick, Green Mountain College, won its second consecutive game this evening.  With Paul Smith and Vermont Tech up next, it could be four in a row pretty soon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2009, 01:03:23 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 11, 2009, 12:37:10 AM

I'd just like to point out that Smed's winless pick, Green Mountain College, won its second consecutive game this evening.  With Paul Smith and Vermont Tech up next, it could be four in a row pretty soon.

Yeah, smed just got confused - he thought he was picking for the original Survivor Pool! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 11, 2009, 09:50:17 AM
It was a nostalgia pick. You know, like picking the Cubs to win every year.  ;)

Or I was trying to inspire Green Mountain.

Or something...

Or other...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 11, 2009, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2009, 09:16:34 PM
hugenerd drenched in perspiration as MIT squeaks one out in OT 98-93 over Salem St.

PointSpecial happy right now as his Pointers GET to overtime.

I was at the game, MIT blew multipled double digit leads in the second half (as many as 16) before their freshman point guard carried them in OT.  I was definitely worried when Salem State came all the way back, but it was spectacular to see a freshman do what Mitchell Kates did this early in the season.  MIT essentially ran 1-4 clearouts for him the entire OT and he scored or assisted on 4 of their 5 baskets (MIT was 5-5 from the field in OT, Katz was 3-3).  He also took a charge to seal the victory in the final 1.5 minutes.  MITs other new players also had spectacular lines, Noel Hollingsworth (transfer from Brown), had 30 points on 12-15 shooting and 7 boards; Freshman Wil Tashmen had 20 points, on 7-12 shooting, with 8 boards, and the aforementioned Mitchell Kates had 22 points (10-15 FG).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
Perfect through 12/10..... to help enjoy the weekend!

UNDEFEATED (16)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
Cabrini   CSAC   MA
Albright   MACC   MA
St. Norbert   MWC   MW
Washington U.   UAA   MW
Colby   NESCAC   NE
Middlebury   NESCAC   NE
Williams   NESCAC   NE
MIT   NEWMAC   NE
Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH
Birmingham-Southern   SCAC   SOUTH
Cornell   IIAC   WEST
St. Thomas   MIAC   WEST
UW-Whitewater   WIAC   WEST
we lost 7   (John Carroll, Augustana, DePauw, Chapman, Augsburg, Whittier, Wisconsin Stevens Point)

UNDEFEATED VS D3, (but with a loss elsewhere)   ( 8 )

Wilmington   OAC   GL
Augustana   CCIW   MW
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific   NWC   WEST
Whitman   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST
Whittier   SCIAC   WEST
We lost 4 (Mount Ida, Hamden-Sidney,Central, and Presentation), but picked up 2(Augustana, Whittier)


WINLESS  (19)

New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
Bard   SKY   EAST
Kalamazoo   MIAA   GL
Otterbein   OAC   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
Dickinson   CC   MA
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Eastern Nazarene   CCC   NE
Salve Regina   CCC   NE
Maine-Presque Isle   IND   NE
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Hardin-Simmons   ASC   SOUTH
Howard Payne   ASC   SOUTH
Schreiner   ASC   SOUTH
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST
Only down 2 from last week, losing Green Mountain and Salem State


Winless vs D3 only  (but with a win elsewhere)  (23)

D'Youville   AMCC   EAST
Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Olivet   MIAA   GL
Gallaudet   CAC   MA
Baptist Bible   CSAC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA
Grinnell   MWC   MW
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Greenville   SLIAC   MW
Principia   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH
Emory and Henry   ODAC   SOUTH
Millsaps   SCAC   SOUTH
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific   NWC   WEST
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   WEST
Four dropped off the list (Keuka, Mount Aloysius, Lancaster Bible, Concordia-Austin)


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2009, 03:15:18 PM
Next Winless Pool Games:

Otterbein (Sager) at Muskingum (3-4)  12/12

Eastern Nazarene (Hoops Fan)  hosts Wheelock (4-2)  1/5    (a long rest, Hoops)

UMPI  (Mr. Ypsi) hosts Maine Maritime (2-5)  12/13    

Caltech  (Magicman)  hosts North Park (4-3)  12/16

Bard  (hopefan)  hosts Castleton State (3-3)    12/11
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
UNDEFEATED VS D3, (but with a loss elsewhere)   (8)
Is there any way this stupid emoticon can be disabled?  There's about 10,000 more relevant uses in this forum for the number 8 in parentheses than a smiley with cool shades.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2009, 03:21:07 PM
Just re-checked UMPI's schedule - IF they lose to Maine-Maritime, they are then off for nearly a month before playing, you guessed it, Maine-Maritime.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2009, 03:23:45 PM
Dave, I understand that complaint was directed at D3hoops and not me, but I did do a little edit to get rid of our beatnick friend :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 11, 2009, 04:54:58 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
UNDEFEATED VS D3, (but with a loss elsewhere)   (8)
Is there any way this stupid emoticon can be disabled?  There's about 10,000 more relevant uses in this forum for the number 8 in parentheses than a smiley with cool shades.

Duuuude...chill.... 8)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2009, 05:59:27 PM
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2009, 06:19:24 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2009, 05:59:27 PM
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;D  (and +k)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 12, 2009, 01:01:40 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2009, 05:59:27 PM
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Ah, a fan of Mr. Cronenberg's work!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2009, 11:15:00 AM
Can anyone share the secret of seeing an icon like that and getting it to work in their own post  -  that explosion was exactly what I needed over in the SLIAC room!!!


Bard barely gets me a loss last night, losing by four  -   my run could be up later today when they take on Rivier, the proud owner of a single win this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 12, 2009, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 12, 2009, 11:15:00 AM
Can anyone share the secret of seeing an icon like that and getting it to work in their own post  -  that explosion was exactly what I needed over in the SLIAC room!!!
Find the URL of an image you like, such as http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/basic/smileyvault-tomatoes.gif, and enclose it in image tags (the 'framed picture' in the tag bar above, or IMG and /IMG each enclosed in square brackets).

But beware that some people don't like smiley overload much...
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2009, 05:13:00 PM
The Ott    Otterbein nips Muskingum  -  we must bid a fond farewell to Sager   -  I've been searchin for the Bard - Riv score, can't find it yet.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 12, 2009, 05:43:00 PM
hopefan,

Bard lost 72-64. You're still alive and well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2009, 05:47:33 PM
da raptors!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 12, 2009, 05:54:52 PM
In good news for me, the Ephs are off until Dec. 29.  In bad news, they play at Randolph-Macon at December 30 ... I figure MIT goes down to Harvard on the 29th, so I should at least make top four (barring a disastrous collapse against Elmira no the 29th ...). 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 12, 2009, 07:05:47 PM
Howard Payne gets their 1st win of the season over Sul Ross State 73-65. Down by five, 54-49 with 8 1/2 minutes to play the Yellowjackets reverse that deficit with a 12-2 run and are never headed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 12, 2009, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 12, 2009, 05:54:52 PM
In good news for me, the Ephs are off until Dec. 29.  In bad news, they play at Randolph-Macon at December 30 ... I figure MIT goes down to Harvard on the 29th, so I should at least make top four (barring a disastrous collapse against Elmira no the 29th ...). 

Whether I lose the pool or not, I am extremely happy with my pick.  Went from a homer pick to the real thing.  I did not expect this with such a young team.  They are off to their best start in school history, 11-0.  Maybe we can start a consolation, undefeated vs. non-d1 schools pool just for me if they lose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 13, 2009, 06:22:54 AM
Eastern Mennonite loses their 1st although it's a non D3 team Southern Virginia who takes them down 92-79.

And Augustana with their loss to Wash U falls off the undefeated against D3 list.

Colby loses for the first time falling to Bowdoin 69-56.

Cornell loses to non D3 Mt. Mercy Friday night 70-61.

Albright drops off the list losing to Richard Stockton Friday night 72-62


On the winless list:

Hardin-Simmons wins their 1st of the season 75-74 beating University of the Ozarks.

Dickinson wins their 1st game friday night 55-50 against nonD3 Williamson Trade
.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 13, 2009, 01:55:56 PM
Williamson Trade? Wow. The Mechanics (of course) were 9-1 and big shots in USCAA D-2. The gap between D-3 and USCAA D-2 is huge. I'd never call USCAA D-2 "glorified intramurals", though. Anytime there's a coach, plays and actual paid refs involved, it's real hoops.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2009, 02:27:06 PM
Sounds like we need a new list

Perfect through 12/12/09

Undefeated  (12)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
Cabrini   CSAC   MA
St. Norbert   MWC   MW
Washington U.   UAA   MW
Middlebury   NESCAC   NE
Williams   NESCAC   NE
MIT   NEWMAC   NE
Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH
Birmingham-Southern   SCAC   SOUTH
St. Thomas   MIAC   WEST
UW-Whitewater   WIAC   WEST
lost 4 teams :Albright, Colby, Eastern Mennonite, Cornell


Undefeated vs D3 Only   (lost to a non-D3) (9)

Wilmington   OAC   GL
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Cornell   IIAC   WEST
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific   NWC   WEST
Whitman   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST
Whittier   SCIAC   WEST
Lost Augustana, picked up Cornell and Eastern Mennonite


WINLESS (14)

New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
Bard   SKY   EAST
Kalamazoo   MIAA   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Eastern Nazarene   CCC   NE
Maine-Presque Isle   IND   NE
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Schreiner   ASC   SOUTH
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST
lost 5  :  Otterbein, Dickinson, Salve Regina, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne


Winless vs D3 only  (they've beat a non D3)  (24)

D'Youville   AMCC   EAST
Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Olivet   MIAA   GL
Gallaudet   CAC   MA
Dickinson   CC   MA
Baptist Bible   CSAC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA
Grinnell   MWC   MW
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Greenville   SLIAC   MW
Principia   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH
Emory and Henry   ODAC   SOUTH
Millsaps   SCAC   SOUTH
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific   NWC   WEST
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   WEST
No one dropped off, Dickinson is added






Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 13, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Grinnell is a surprise. But I guess the system doesn't function if you can't shoot.

PS - I wonder if Matt Chalupa of Grinnell has heard his share of "Yo quiero Taco Bell" jokes?

PPS - The weirdest stat of all (when not thinking of the system). Grinnell has attempted 457 three-pointers. Their opponents just 13. That's like the old Augustana football program when they threw about one pass a half just for stuff & giggles.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 13, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
Listed by next game

Mississippi College (vs. Sul Ross State 12/19)-- Ralph Turner
Washington U St Louis (at Fontbonne 12/19)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
St. Thomas (at Concordia-St. Paul 12/22)-- smedindy
MIT (at Harvard 12/28)-- hugenerd
Williams (vs. Elmira at Randolph-Macon 12/29) -- nescac1

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4
Guilford -- Magicman -- 12/5  
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi -- 12/9
UW Stevens Point -- Point Special -- 12/10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2009, 10:20:01 PM
Mississippi College 89, Wesley MS 75; next 12/19  Sul Ross State.

http://www.gochoctaws.com/custompages/mbball/2009-10Stats/MCVSWC.HTM
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 13, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Grinnell is a surprise. But I guess the system doesn't function if you can't shoot.

They lost a ton from last year.  And of course, in "the system," you're always on the cusp of getting trashed if your shots don't go down or your press doesn't create turnovers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2009, 12:37:08 PM

"Team I Should Have Picked" RMC plays Wooster tonight.  I could lose twice before the real competitors lose once.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 14, 2009, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 13, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Grinnell is a surprise. But I guess the system doesn't function if you can't shoot.

They lost a ton from last year.  And of course, in "the system," you're always on the cusp of getting trashed if your shots don't go down or your press doesn't create turnovers.

From the stats, it looks like both are happening. It's the perfect storm of things going wrong.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2009, 03:59:02 AM
I just noticed this score from Sunday....  

Maine Maritime 66   UMPI   63       :o :o


Too close for comfort, but you gotta feel for UMPI   -  not sure when their last D3 win was??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2009, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 15, 2009, 03:59:02 AM
Too close for comfort, but you gotta feel for UMPI   -  not sure when their last D3 win was??

February 10th, 2007.  A 77-75 OT win over Green Mountain.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 15, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
And that barely can be called a D-3 win. Wasn't Green Mountain in transition that year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 16, 2009, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
UNDEFEATED VS D3, (but with a loss elsewhere)   (8)
Is there any way this stupid emoticon can be disabled?  There's about 10,000 more relevant uses in this forum for the number 8 in parentheses than a smiley with cool shades.

Well, at least we don't have to suffer alone:
Excerpt from Gramophone ranks world's top 20 orchestras; St. Louis doesn't make the cut (http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/culture-club/culture-club/2008/11/gramophone-ranks-worlds-top-20-orchestras-st-louis-doesnt-make-the-cut/) at StLToday.com:
Quote from: StLToday.comGramophone's complete list of Top 20 orchestras follows.

The Top 10
1) Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Amsterdam
2) Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra
3) Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
4) London Symphony Orchestra
5) Chicago Symphony Orchestra
6) Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra
7) Cleveland Orchestra
8) Los Angeles Philharmonic
9) Budapest Festival Orchestra
10) Dresden Staatskapelle
The LA Phil is waaaay cool since they picked up the Dude (http://www.gustavodudamel.com/).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 16, 2009, 02:56:14 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 16, 2009, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
UNDEFEATED VS D3, (but with a loss elsewhere)   (8)
Is there any way this stupid emoticon can be disabled?  There's about 10,000 more relevant uses in this forum for the number 8 in parentheses than a smiley with cool shades.

Well, at least we don't have to suffer alone:
Excerpt from Gramophone ranks world's top 20 orchestras; St. Louis doesn't make the cut (http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/culture-club/culture-club/2008/11/gramophone-ranks-worlds-top-20-orchestras-st-louis-doesnt-make-the-cut/) at StLToday.com:
Quote from: StLToday.comGramophone's complete list of Top 20 orchestras follows.

The Top 10
1) Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Amsterdam
2) Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra
3) Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
4) London Symphony Orchestra
5) Chicago Symphony Orchestra
6) Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra
7) Cleveland Orchestra
8) Los Angeles Philharmonic
9) Budapest Festival Orchestra
10) Dresden Staatskapelle
The LA Phil is waaaay cool since they picked up the Dude (http://www.gustavodudamel.com/).

Does he bowl and does he drink white russians?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2009, 09:29:07 PM
One of our undefeated teams, Cabrini, got beat last night by the Merchant Marine Academy   -   our unbeaten number drops to 11.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 16, 2009, 10:43:44 PM
Arrrr...matey! The Mariners hung 'em by the yard arm! Yo-ho-ho!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
I'll also note that Maine Maritime (with the win over UMPI) and Milsaps (over Rust) have dropped off our winless vs D3 list, dropping that number to 22

We'll wait until next week to post a revised list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PM
Last night I saw Caltech play against North Park. CIT started a junior and four freshman, and the way the Beavers played, it is indeed a blue world (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-YKmcVB7rk) for Caltech.

Rivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season. Although Caltech has an upcoming game against 2-9 UC Santa Cruz @ Cal Lutheran this Sunday, the Banana Slugs haven't played as bad as their record indicates, so I doubt CIT will beat UCSC. Unless there's sudden vast improvement, I don't see Caltech snapping its nearly 25-year, 287-game SCIAC losing streak this season.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Yes, but Conan Gu and the Beavers, if the freshmen stay with it, may one day crush their opponents, see them driven before them, and hear the lamentations of the opponents' cheerleaders.

Or win a SCIAC game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PMRivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.

That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

Quote from: smedindy on December 17, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Yes, but Conan Gu and the Beavers, if the freshmen stay with it, may one day crush their opponents, see them driven before them, and hear the lamentations of the opponents' cheerleaders.

Nice!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 18, 2009, 10:34:14 PM
The scoreboard has Birmingham-Southern losing to Rust tonight; however, the score was mis-reported:

http://www.bscsports.net/news/2009/12/18/MBB_1218094153.aspx

Birmingham Southern is still undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on December 19, 2009, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PMRivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.
That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

What's wrong, Prof. Pedantic, did you run out of posters to correct for writing preseason rather than nonconference?

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2009, 10:22:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 19, 2009, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PMRivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.
That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

What's wrong, Prof. Pedantic, did you run out of posters to correct for writing preseason rather than nonconference?

OxyBob
Respectfully, I thought that Prof. Pedantic used the term "pre-season" correctly.   :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on December 19, 2009, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2009, 10:22:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 19, 2009, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PMRivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.
That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.
What's wrong, Prof. Pedantic, did you run out of posters to correct for writing preseason rather than nonconference?
Respectfully, I thought that Prof. Pedantic used the term "pre-season" correctly.  

Dear Ralph Turner:

Wrong again.

Sincerely,

The NFL (http://www.nfl.com/schedules?seasonType=PRE&season=2009)
The NBA (http://www.nba.com/games/20091016/HOUIND/gameinfo.html)
ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings?season=2010&group=division&seasontype=1&standType=standings)
Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/news/2002/03/19/si_rankings)
D3football.com (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2009/week-11)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2009, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 19, 2009, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PMRivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.
That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

What's wrong, Prof. Pedantic, did you run out of posters to correct for writing preseason rather than nonconference?

There's two D3 members that play men's basketball that are called Westminster, Dr. Grumblepants. One of them is in Pennsylvania, the other one is in Missouri. There's thus no ready inference to be drawn as to which would be playing Caltech in Pasadena. And, as I said, it appears to be a distinction with a difference as far as the subject at hand -- Caltech's chances of winning a game this year -- is concerned. Hence, my post.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Just Bill on December 19, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
What a flashback. I had both Prof. Pedantic and Dr. Grumblepants during my sophomore year. Worst. Semester. Ever.

(Fortunately my T.A. Miss Shortskirt helped get me through it.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2009, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 19, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
What a flashback. I had both Prof. Pedantic and Dr. Grumblepants during my sophomore year. Worst. Semester. Ever.

(Fortunately my T.A. Miss Shortskirt helped get me through it.)

For your sake, Bill, I hope that Dean Sterntongue never caught you lurking outside of Miss Shortskirt's office door.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2009, 07:22:49 PM
I think some of you are now on Double Secret Probation.

I'll put Neidermeyer on it, he's a sneaky little....just like you.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 19, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 19, 2009, 07:22:49 PM
I think some of you are now on Double Secret Probation.

I'll put Neidermeyer on it, he's a sneaky little....just like you.


He plays for North Park, right?




(and yes, I get the initial reference!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 20, 2009, 12:37:38 AM
The Pacific Boxers fall off the winless vs D3 list by crushing my Cal Tech Beavers
80-43.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2009, 01:12:17 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 20, 2009, 12:37:38 AM
The Pacific Boxers fall off the winless vs D3 list by crushing my Cal Tech Beavers
80-43.
Does that really count as a game by which a team can "fall off the winless" list?   ??? ::)   ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 20, 2009, 02:24:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2009, 01:12:17 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 20, 2009, 12:37:38 AM
The Pacific Boxers fall off the winless vs D3 list by crushing my Cal Tech Beavers
80-43.
Does that really count as a game by which a team can "fall of the winless" list?   ??? ::)   ::)

Ralph,
Be careful or I'll sic Oxy Bob on you again!!! ;D

I see your Choctaws were taken to the limit by the visiting Sul Ross State Lobos(1-8).
Tied at 84 with 1:34 to go Mississippi College went to the line and hit 5 of 6 free throws to win it 89-84. Choctaws scored their last 9 pts from the charity stripe due in part because the Lobos couldn't get a rebound on several missed foul shots by Mississippi College. Choctaws with 24 turnovers were lucky to escape with the win. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2009, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 20, 2009, 02:24:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2009, 01:12:17 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 20, 2009, 12:37:38 AM
The Pacific Boxers fall off the winless vs D3 list by crushing my Cal Tech Beavers
80-43.
Does that really count as a game by which a team can "fall of the winless" list?   ??? ::)   ::)

Ralph,
Be careful or I'll sic Oxy Bob on you again!!! ;D

I see your Choctaws were taken to the limit by the visiting Sul Ross State Lobos(1-8).
Tied at 84 with 1:34 to go Mississippi College went to the line and hit 5 of 6 free throws to win it 89-84. Choctaws scored their last 9 pts from the charity stripe due in part because the Lobos couldn't get a rebound on several missed foul shots by Mississippi College. Choctaws with 24 turnovers were lucky to escape with the win. 
Thanks for the shoutout for ASC basketball.

That was a crazy game.  You never know when there will be an upset.

Mississippi College has lots of raw talent.  I am worried about the guard talent the SRSU has gotten that got 24 turnovers out of Mississippi College.

The next hard test for Mississippi College will be against UMHB in Belton.  I need Mississippi College to beat them.  McMurry has a hard game at UT-Dallas today.

The ASC West winner hosts the men's tournament this season, so every game is even more critical.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2009, 02:31:03 PM
Our lists took some minor hits the last couple of days

Undefeated stays at 11   -   thanks hugenurde for pointing out the Birmingham So. correction

Winless moves from 14 to 13, as Waynesburg beats Penn State Fayette and moves to the undefeated vs D3 list

Undefeated vs D3 moves from 9 to 8  as Whittier lost to North Park

Winless vs D3 goes from 22 to 21, with the addition of Waynesburg, but the deletion of Olivet (win over Finlandia) and Pacific (over Caltech)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 24, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
So here are our lists going into the Christmas Holiday    note winless vs D3 jumped up one as Maine Maritime joins winless vs D3 given the reclass of UMPI to NAIA-D2

UNDEFEATED (11)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
St. Norbert   MWC   MW
Washington U.   UAA   MW
Middlebury   NESCAC   NE
Williams   NESCAC   NE
MIT   NEWMAC   NE
Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH
UW-WhitewRandolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH
Birmingham-Southern   SCAC   SOUTH
St. Thomas   MIAC   WEST
UW-Whitewater   WIAC   WEST
WINLESS  (13)   (UMPI Grandfathered in)

New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
Bard   SKY   EAST
Kalamazoo   MIAA   GL
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Eastern Nazarene   CCC   NE
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Schreiner   ASC   SOUTH
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST
Maine-Presque Isle   NAIA-D2   
Undefeated vs D3 Only   (lost to a non-D3) (7)    Pacific dropped off with loss to Cal Lu

Wilmington   OAC   GL
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Cornell   IIAC   WEST
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Whitman   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST

Winless vs D3 only  (they've beat a non D3)  (22)
D'Youville   AMCC   EAST
Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
Gallaudet   CAC   MA
Dickinson   CC   MA
Baptist Bible   CSAC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA
Grinnell   MWC   MW
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Greenville   SLIAC   MW
Principia   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH
Emory and Henry   ODAC   SOUTH
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   WEST


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 24, 2009, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 24, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
UNDEFEATED (11)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
St. Norbert   MWC   MW
Washington U.   UAA   MW
Middlebury   NESCAC   NE
Williams   NESCAC   NE
MIT   NEWMAC   NE
Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH
UW-WhitewRandolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH
Birmingham-Southern   SCAC   SOUTH
St. Thomas   MIAC   WEST
UW-Whitewater   WIAC   WEST

I didnt realize UW-Whitewater had merged with Randolph-Macon to form a super D3 power.  They have chosen an interesting conjunction for their name, I would have gone with Whitewater Macon, personally.  I wonder how the logistics will work.

Sorry for this post but I am bored out of my mind on a cross-country flight while my daughter punches me in the arm telling me she is bored as well. I am looking for any type of amusement at this point. At least they have internet, I guess.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 24, 2009, 08:11:27 PM
Nurdy    Glad I could provide a glimmer of amusement ;D ;D

Merry Christmas, safe travels....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 29, 2009, 03:01:58 AM
Listed by next game

Washington U St Louis (vs. Transylvania at Wooster 12/29)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
St. Thomas (at Stevens Point 12/29)-- smedindy
Williams (vs. Elmira at Randolph-Macon 12/29) -- nescac1
Mississippi College (at Belhaven 1/4)-- Ralph Turner

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4
Guilford -- Magicman -- 12/5  
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi -- 12/9
UW Stevens Point -- Point Special -- 12/10
MIT -- hugenerd -- 12/28
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2009, 07:28:14 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 29, 2009, 03:01:58 AM
Listed by next game

Washington U St Louis (vs. Transylvania at Wooster 12/29)-- Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
St. Thomas (at Stevens Point 12/29)-- smedindy
Williams (vs. Elmira at Randolph-Macon 12/29) -- nescac1
Mississippi College (at Belhaven 1/4)-- Ralph Turner

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4
Guilford -- Magicman -- 12/5  
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi -- 12/9
UW Stevens Point -- Point Special -- 12/10
MIT -- hugenerd -- 12/28


Thank you, Patrick, for all that you did!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2009, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 29, 2009, 03:01:58 AM
Listed by next game

Washington U St Louis lost to Transylvania at Wooster -- on 12/29; Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
St. Thomas lost Stevens Point-- smedindy -- 12/29
Williams (at Randolph-Macon 12/30) -- nescac1
Mississippi College (at Belhaven 1/4)-- Ralph Turner

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4
Guilford -- Magicman -- 12/5  
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi -- 12/9
UW Stevens Point -- Point Special -- 12/10
MIT -- hugenerd -- 12/28

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 29, 2009, 11:34:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2009, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 29, 2009, 03:01:58 AM
Listed by next game

Washington U St Louis lost to Transylvania at Wooster -- on 12/29; Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
St. Thomas lost Stevens Point-- smedindy -- 12/29
Williams (at Randolph-Macon 12/30) -- nescac1
Mississippi College (at Belhaven 1/4)-- Ralph Turner

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4
Guilford -- Magicman -- 12/5  
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi -- 12/9
UW Stevens Point -- Point Special -- 12/10
MIT -- hugenerd -- 12/28


Ralph may be the winner of the survivor pool before his team even plays another game as undefeated (9-0) 12th ranked Williams takes on undefeated (9-0) 5th ranked Randolph-Macon tomorrow night on the Yellowjackets home court at 7PM.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 29, 2009, 11:45:11 PM
Wash U, St. Thomas, UW Whitewater, and St. Norbert all lost tonight.  MIT drops from the undefeated ranks and is just undefeated against D-III.  Either Randolph Macon or Williams will fall tomorrow night as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2009, 09:18:00 PM
Our lists undergo big changes through the 29th

UNDEFEATED (6)   was at (11)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
Middlebury   NESCAC   NE
Williams   NESCAC   NE
Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH
Birmingham-Southern   SCAC   SOUTH

out are St Norbert (lose to Northwestern Minn), Washington U (lose to Transy), MIT (lose to Harvard), UW Whitewater (lose to Whitworth), and St. Thomas (lose to UW Stevens Point


WINLESS  (13)   (UMPI Grandfathered in)   NO CHANGE
New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
Bard   SKY   EAST
Kalamazoo   MIAA   GL
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Eastern Nazarene   CCC   NE
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Schreiner   ASC   SOUTH
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST
Maine-Presque Isle   NAIA-D2  

Undefeated vs D3 Only   (lost to a non-D3) (6)    was at (7)

Wilmington   OAC   GL
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Cornell   IIAC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST
MIT is added by losing to Harvard, Whitman loses to UW Whitewater, Lewis and Clark loses to Calvin


Winless vs D3 only  (they've beat a non D3)  (21)   was at (22)

D'Youville   AMCC   EAST
Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
Gallaudet   CAC   MA
Dickinson   CC   MA
Baptist Bible   CSAC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA
Grinnell   MWC   MW
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Greenville   SLIAC   MW
Principia   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH
Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   WEST
Emory and Henry drops off with win over Lagrange



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2009, 09:27:10 PM
Looks like the real thrills for the ongoing season will reside in the Undefeated and winless room where the winless survivor pool is still going hot and heavy with 4 competitors   ;D ;D ;D

Caltech  (Magicman)
Bard  (hopefan)
Eastern Nazarene (Hoops Fan)
UMPI (Mr.Ypsi)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 30, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
Williams loses to Randolph Macon.  79-74
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2009, 09:28:50 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 29, 2009, 11:34:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2009, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 29, 2009, 03:01:58 AM
Listed by next game

Washington U St Louis lost to Transylvania at Wooster -- on 12/29; Patrick Abegg (in memoriam)
St. Thomas lost Stevens Point-- smedindy -- 12/29
Williams (at Randolph-Macon 12/30) -- nescac1
Mississippi College (at Belhaven 1/4)-- Ralph Turner

Richard Stockton -- David Collinge--11/15
UT Dallas -- ScotsFan--11/15
Wooster -- wooscotsfan--11/15
Puget Sound -- Log Show--11/17
Centre--Hoops Fan--11/18
DeSales--augie77--11/20
UMass-Dartmouth--thatdude30--11/20
Calvin--KnightSlappy--11/20
CMS--stag44--11/21
Illinois Wesleyan--TitanQ--11/22
F&M -- Gregory Sager--11/24
Hope -- hope1--11/27
Rochester -- hopefan--12/2
Amherst --Old School -- 12/4
Guilford -- Magicman -- 12/5  
John Carroll -- Mr Ypsi -- 12/9
UW Stevens Point -- Point Special -- 12/10
MIT -- hugenerd -- 12/28


Ralph may be the winner of the survivor pool before his team even plays another game as undefeated (9-0) 12th ranked Williams takes on undefeated (9-0) 5th ranked Randolph-Macon tomorrow night on the Yellowjackets home court at 7PM.

Sure 'nuff!

Randy-Mac 79 Williams 74!

Of course, I would trade this crown for a McMurry comeback road-win over the Choctaws back in November.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 30, 2009, 09:40:02 PM
Jan 2, 2010

Bluffton 0-12 at Kalamazoo 0-10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2009, 11:56:25 PM
Congratulations Ralph on winning the survivor pool, you chose wisely!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
This has GOT to be a record - going from five to one in TWO days! :o

And thanks for keeping me in the other pool after UMPI was declared ineligible midseason. ;)  Innocent 'dupes' should not have to suffer! :P  They're still my favorite d3 sadsacks, d3 or not.  I'm tempted to send them the money to fly out to Caltech!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
This has GOT to be a record - going from five to one in TWO days! :o

And thanks for keeping me in the other pool after UMPI was declared ineligible midseason. ;)  Innocent 'dupes' should not have to suffer! :P  They're still my favorite d3 sadsacks, d3 or not.  I'm tempted to send them the money to fly out to Caltech!

It would be much cheaper just to bus them down to Bard.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 31, 2009, 02:28:45 AM
Congrats, Ralph ... even though I can imagine how galling it must be for you to ride the Choctaw bandwagon to the finish line!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 03:27:22 AM
Sac    I'd have to doublecheck all the schedules, but that could be the last game this season between totally winless teams.....   Of course there will be many matchups if the winless vs D3 teams are included .  Hopefully this room will give the Kzoo-Bluffton game some publicity!!

Also no more battles of the undefeated, with Williams losing last night, a potential undefeated match up of Middlebury-Williams was taken away.....  RMC-EMennonite still looms....

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2009, 04:22:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 03:27:22 AM
Sac    I'd have to doublecheck all the schedules, but that could be the last game this season between totally winless teams.....   Of course there will be many matchups if the winless vs D3 teams are included .  Hopefully this room will give the Kzoo-Bluffton game some publicity!!

Also no more battles of the undefeated, with Williams losing last night, a potential undefeated match up of Middlebury-Williams was taken away.....  RMC-EMennonite still looms....



hopefan,

They may not be winless by the time February 8th, 2010 rolls around but on that date
FDU-Florham currently 0-7 hosts New York City Tech currently 0-8.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 09:55:11 AM
good catch magic   +1 ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 10:26:56 AM
score that blew me away last night, among several

Medaille 92   John Carroll  91

Medaille stays undefeated!!!   We need someone to tell us about this team!!!

Magicman????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 31, 2009, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 10:26:56 AM
score that blew me away last night, among several

Medaille 92   John Carroll  91

Medaille stays undefeated!!!   We need someone to tell us about this team!!!

Magicman????

Wilmington also lost to Thomas More to drop from the undefeated vs. d3 list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2009, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 31, 2009, 02:28:45 AM
Congrats, Ralph ... even though I can imagine how galling it must be for you to ride the Choctaw bandwagon to the finish line!
Thanks...

If McMurry wins the ASC-West, then we get the chance to face Mississippi College on our own court in the ASC Tourney.

I always want to win the last match-up with Mississippi College each season.   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2009, 10:36:43 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 10:26:56 AM
score that blew me away last night, among several

Medaille 92   John Carroll  91

Medaille stays undefeated!!!   We need someone to tell us about this team!!!

Magicman????

hopefan,
I have never seen Medaille play as they are in Buffalo and most of their non-conference games are in that part of the state, but here's what I can tell you.
That game last night between Medaille and John Carroll was a chance for Medaille to gain a measure of revenge for the loss they suffered at the hands of JC last March in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament. Last year's Medaille team was the best team in the school's history as they had a number of first ever accomplishments. The Mavericks hit 20 wins for the 1st time, finishing the season with a 21-7 record. It was also the 1st time they won the regular season championship of the AMCC and the 1st time they won the AMCC tournament title, which gave them the automatic NCAA bid which, as you may guess, was their 1st time to get to the dance. Their reward was to play a first round game at the 10th ranked(at the time) John Carroll Blue Streaks home court. That game on March 6th, found the Mavericks down by 16 with 8 minutes to play but they fought back to get within 5 with 1:50 left, before losing a 90-79 decision.
The Mavericks have 7 returning players who averaged at least 10 minutes a game last year including 3 starters. They are led by 1st team All-Conference senior forward Keith Hack(17.5ppg 6.2rpg) and 2nd team All-Conference guard Ricky Reed(10.5ppg). Sixth man junior forward/center Ron Malicki also averages double figures(14.2ppg 5.3rpg) They seem to have a solid 9 man rotation and average 79 ppg while giving up 64 ppg. They are shooting 49% from the field, 37% behind the arc, and 73% from the line. They out rebound their opponents 39-30 per game. What I can't tell you is how big or small this team is as their roster info doesn't give you any height or weight for the players.
While they are sporting a gaudy 11-0 record it is built on a schedule of some pretty weak teams. 6 of their wins have come against teams with losing records. The combined won-loss record for those 6 teams is 6-47 and include winless Cazenovia, and 1-13 Paul Smith's, the NAIA-D2 school  previously mentioned on this board.  The owp for Medaille is one of the lowest of all the ranked teams in KnightSlappy's pool C regional rankings.
However, beating John Carroll on the road  last night has got to be a great confidence booster for this team. Earlier in the year they played a pre-season game against Division I Colgate and hung with the Raiders the entire game before Colgate hit their free throws down the stretch to pull away 63-52. This team is going to end up with another 20+ wins and a possible return trip to the NCAA's. The question will be whether or not they get a pool C bid if they get upset in the conference tournament. If they do get in they will be a tough 1st round match-up as opposed to simply being cannon fodder for the usual D3 powers in the region.

One more thing to consider. When they lost to John Carroll last year, the Blue Streaks were ranked #10 in the Top 25 poll. Last night when they beat John Carroll the Blue Streaks were ranked #9 in the Top 25 poll. I guess the Mavericks learned something from that previous meeting. Will it be enough to get them some love in the next poll? Probably not.

Also worth noting. Bench points for Medaille 42. Bench points for JC 18. Medaille also won the battle of the boards 36-31 and outshot JC, percentage wise, from the field, beyond the arc, and from the line.                    
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2009, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 31, 2009, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 10:26:56 AM
score that blew me away last night, among several

Medaille 92   John Carroll  91

Medaille stays undefeated!!!   We need someone to tell us about this team!!!

Magicman????

Wilmington also lost to Thomas More to drop from the winless undefeated vs. d3 list.

corrected version
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 31, 2009, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 31, 2009, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 31, 2009, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 10:26:56 AM
score that blew me away last night, among several

Medaille 92   John Carroll  91

Medaille stays undefeated!!!   We need someone to tell us about this team!!!

Magicman????

Wilmington also lost to Thomas More to drop from the winless undefeated vs. d3 list.

corrected version

true
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 01, 2010, 06:13:05 PM
Just think, in one of our initial forays into tracking the winless Medaille finished 0-25.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2010, 12:01:26 AM
Birmingham Southern drops off the undefeated list as they fall to Oglethorpe on New Year's Day..

Only 4 undefeated left.... Medaille, Randolph Macon, Middlebury and Mississippi College
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2010, 01:20:09 AM

And my "team I should have picked" is still going strong.  I'll ride RMC to a moral victory.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2010, 01:46:26 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 31, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
This has GOT to be a record - going from five to one in TWO days! :o

And thanks for keeping me in the other pool after UMPI was declared ineligible midseason. ;)  Innocent 'dupes' should not have to suffer! :P  They're still my favorite d3 sadsacks, d3 or not.  I'm tempted to send them the money to fly out to Caltech!

It would be much cheaper just to bus them down to Bard.

True, but Bard (and Eastern Nazarene) are not on my personal favorite 'sadsack' list.  That would be UMPI, Caltech, and Finlandia (no particular order).

(And Finlandia, at 4-7 and finally [due to my campaigning?] in the West where they belong, is in danger of becoming just a bad team, rather than a favorite sadsack! :P)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 02, 2010, 03:47:24 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 02, 2010, 12:01:26 AM
Birmingham Southern drops off the undefeated list as they fall to Oglethorpe on New Year's Day..

Only 4 undefeated left.... Medaille, Randolph Macon, Middlebury and Mississippi College

Would love to see Middlebury drop off that list next Tuesday when they host my hometown Plattsburgh State Cardinals. Middlebury hosted Plattsburgh 2 years ago and the Cardinals came back from a 22 point 2nd half deficit to win 78-74. Last year the Panthers returned the favor, when they traveled to Plattsburgh and won 68-64. This year Middlebury is off to the best start in the history of their program at 8-0 and they should handle a so-so Hamilton College squad today when they host the Continentals at 4 PM. The Panthers starting frontcourt of 6'10" 6'8" and 6'4" will be a challenge for the undersized Cards but hopefully Plattsburgh's quickness and up-tempo style of play will counter the height discrepancy. The only team the #7 ranked Panthers have beaten that has a winning record is RPI(6-2) and they do own a 79-57 win over a struggling St. Lawrence team(3-6) that is probably better than RPI. The game against Plattsburgh will definitly be the Panthers  toughest match-up of the young season. I expect the Cardinals to give them a battle but home court should prove to be the difference maker for  Middlebury in another close game between these rivals. Hope I'm wrong.  
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 02, 2010, 04:18:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2010, 01:46:26 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 31, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
This has GOT to be a record - going from five to one in TWO days! :o

And thanks for keeping me in the other pool after UMPI was declared ineligible midseason. ;)  Innocent 'dupes' should not have to suffer! :P  They're still my favorite d3 sadsacks, d3 or not.  I'm tempted to send them the money to fly out to Caltech!

It would be much cheaper just to bus them down to Bard.

True, but Bard (and Eastern Nazarene) are not on my personal favorite 'sadsack' list.  That would be UMPI, Caltech, and Finlandia (no particular order).

(And Finlandia, at 4-7 and finally [due to my campaigning?] in the West where they belong, is in danger of becoming just a bad team, rather than a favorite sadsack! :P)

Chuck,
The attached link will help you keep in touch with with your favorite sadsack, UMPI.

http://www.sunriseconference.com/sport/7/2.php


After all we wouldn't want them to sneak a win by us now would we. ;) Especially with a huge return matchup against Maine Maritime on Jan 8th. (They only lost the 1st time 66-63) Then there's that guaranteed win on Jan. 23rd when Paul Smith's comes to town.  ;D

And the real reason you're tempted to fly UMPI to out to play Caltech is you know Caltech would win and I'd be out of the running before you lose by beating Paul Smith's. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: sac on December 30, 2009, 09:40:02 PM
Jan 2, 2010

Bluffton 0-12 at Kalamazoo 0-10

Kalamazoo 49  Bluffton 45
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 02, 2010, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: sac on December 30, 2009, 09:40:02 PM
Jan 2, 2010

Bluffton 0-12 at Kalamazoo 0-10

Kalamazoo 49  Bluffton 45
Break out the mouth organs, paper horns, and noisemakers! (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fplanetsmilies.net%2Fparty-smiley-7486.gif&hash=e45b1276686cfe3bb25b18ad1cf65b7f5c3f70b3) (http://planetsmilies.net)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2010, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2010, 01:46:26 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 31, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
This has GOT to be a record - going from five to one in TWO days! :o

And thanks for keeping me in the other pool after UMPI was declared ineligible midseason. ;)  Innocent 'dupes' should not have to suffer! :P  They're still my favorite d3 sadsacks, d3 or not.  I'm tempted to send them the money to fly out to Caltech!

It would be much cheaper just to bus them down to Bard.

True, but Bard (and Eastern Nazarene) are not on my personal favorite 'sadsack' list.  That would be UMPI, Caltech, and Finlandia (no particular order).

Since Eastern Nazarene's new head coach, Jim Aller, is a friend of mine, I'm actively rooting for the Crusaders to get off the schneid and leave this list. But it won't be easy; the cupboard was left completely bare prior to his being hired in the off-season, and he entered the 2009-10 campaign well aware of what he would be up against this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2010, 07:21:11 PM
My pick of JCU on the original survivor pool made it to 6th or 7th place, but is now starting to look like the worst selection since the Pistons took Darko! :-[  They are now 1-4 in the last two weeks, hitting rock-bottom (?) today with a 22-point trouncing by a Bethany team that recently needed 2 OTs to beat (2-9) Denison!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 02, 2010, 11:03:55 PM
Thought I might be in trouble today as the 2-5 Rivier Raiders from Nashua N.H. traveled out west to play Caltech. But the Beavers came through and after staying close for the 1st half blew it wide open by getting outscored 36-23 after the break to remain winless. Beavers get another shot tomorrow when they take on the Westminster (Pa.) Titans who sport a 2-9 record. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2010, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2010, 01:46:26 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 31, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
This has GOT to be a record - going from five to one in TWO days! :o

And thanks for keeping me in the other pool after UMPI was declared ineligible midseason. ;)  Innocent 'dupes' should not have to suffer! :P  They're still my favorite d3 sadsacks, d3 or not.  I'm tempted to send them the money to fly out to Caltech!

It would be much cheaper just to bus them down to Bard.

True, but Bard (and Eastern Nazarene) are not on my personal favorite 'sadsack' list.  That would be UMPI, Caltech, and Finlandia (no particular order).

Since Eastern Nazarene's new head coach, Jim Aller, is a friend of mine, I'm actively rooting for the Crusaders to get off the schneid and leave this list. But it won't be easy; the cupboard was left completely bare prior to his being hired in the off-season, and he entered the 2009-10 campaign well aware of what he would be up against this year.

So perhaps you can indulge me with some inside info.  Do you think he's planning to be there for a while?  It just seems like a coach with his background might be looking for a better situation in the future.  What do you think?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 07:14:54 AM
Through Jan 3

UNDEFEATED (4)   was at (6)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
Middlebury   NESCAC   NE
Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH


out are Williams (lose to Randolph Macon), Birmingham Southern (lose to Oglethorpe)

WINLESS  (12)   (UMPI Grandfathered in)   (down from 13)
New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
Bard   SKY   EAST
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Eastern Nazarene   CCC   NE
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Schreiner   ASC   SOUTH
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST
Maine-Presque Isle   NAIA-D2  

Kalamazoo out after beating Bluffton

Undefeated vs D3 Only   (lost to a non-D3) (4)    was at (6)

MIT  NEWMAC   NE
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST
Wilmington loses to Thomas More, Cornell loses to Lakeland


Winless vs D3 only  (they've beat a non D3)  (16)   was at (21)

D'Youville   AMCC   EAST
Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
Dickinson   CC   MA
Baptist Bible   CSAC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA
Grinnell   MWC   MW
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Greenville   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH

Gallaudet, Principia, Lewis and Clark, Linfield, and Pacific Lutheran drop off
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 05, 2010, 10:06:45 AM
Man, I hope the Bluffton University Beavers can get off the winless list soon.  The remaining HCAC schedule doesn't offer much hope but Bluffton usually plays tough at home.  Go Beavers!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 10:34:06 AM
Old request but I figured out how to do it. Typing 8) no longer triggers the smiley.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 10:40:44 AM
Pat   -  that's why they pay you the big $$$$$ at D3hoops inc.    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
Just noticed that one of my SLIAC teams comes off the winless vs D3 list  -   Greenville beats Dominican last night....   

Believe it or not, non SLIAC readers, I forecasted a conference championship for Greenville  ... but then they lost a starting Guard who transferred to Wheaton and a starting big man who was rumored to be at SIUE, and they haven't been able to put it together yet....   not a whole lot of depth on most SLIAC teams....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2010, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 10:34:06 AM
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 02:07:28 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 02, 2010, 11:03:55 PM
Thought I might be in trouble today as the 2-5 Rivier Raiders from Nashua N.H. traveled out west to play Caltech. But the Beavers came through and after staying close for the 1st half blew it wide open by getting outscored 36-23 after the break to remain winless. Beavers get another shot tomorrow when they take on the Westminster (Pa.) Titans who sport a 2-9 record. 

Caltech lost to Westminster. CIT has a game against Chapman on Wednesday before opening the SCIAC season with its 25-year, 287-game conference losing streak intact. Having seen Caltech play twice, I'd say prospects are not good for a victory this season.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2010, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 02:07:28 PM
Caltech lost to Westminster. CIT has a game against Chapman on Wednesday before opening the SCIAC season with its 25-year, 287-game conference losing streak intact. Having seen Caltech play twice, I'd say prospects are not good for a victory this season.

OxyBob
That's Westminster (PA), Prof. Sloppypants. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
Just noticed that one of my SLIAC teams comes off the winless vs D3 list  -   Greenville beats Dominican last night....   

Believe it or not, non SLIAC readers, I forecasted a conference championship for Greenville  ... but then they lost a starting Guard who transferred to Wheaton

... where he's seen a grand total of fifteen minutes of varsity playing time and received DNPs in seven of Wheaton's eleven games -- and this for a team that has a much-commented-upon lack of depth.

Ideally, a student-athlete transfers from one school to another for reasons that are not exclusively related to sports, and in Ben Cochran's case I especially hope that this is true -- because he has gone from being a key starter for Greenville to a superannuated scrub who's way down on the depth chart for Wheaton.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 04:22:49 PM
unbelievably, the only story I heard was that he wanted to go to a school that had a shot at a National Championship....  Ideally, he could recognize his mistake and come back for his senior year......   Maryville had a kid do that, started as a frosh, went back home to his local school St. norb's for a semester his soph year, then came back to Maryville.  I really do think most kids would rather play at Greenville level than sit with no chance at a Wheaton level....   Though it surprised me when I saw Wheaton as the one smaller starting guard didn't appear to be playing any special role......  I guess there is just that much difference...... Ben was an exciting, though somewhat out of control, player for Greenville.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
Believe it or not, non SLIAC readers, I forecasted a conference championship for Greenville  ... but then they lost a starting Guard who transferred to Wheaton
... where he's seen a grand total of fifteen minutes of varsity playing time and received DNPs in seven of Wheaton's eleven games -- and this for a team that has a much-commented-upon lack of depth.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PM
Rivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.
That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

There's two D-III members that play men's basketball that are called Wheaton. One of them is in Illinois and one of them is in Massachusetts. In the future please be more specific as to which Wheaton you're referring.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2010, 04:57:01 PM
I see that OxyBob's New Year's resolution is to spread even more happiness and good cheer than he spread in 2009. ::)

Quote from: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 04:22:49 PM
unbelievably, the only story I heard was that he wanted to go to a school that had a shot at a National Championship....

Somebody should've told Cochran that he was a year late. He should've transferred to Wheaton when Kent Raymond was still there, if that was really the reason behind his transfer.

Regardless, I hope that it wasn't the reason behind his transfer. I can see the appeal of playing at a higher level, since the CCIW is definitely a more advanced brand of ball than the SLIAC, but the national championship is a will o' the wisp as far as a reason for transferring is concerned. It's a ridiculously difficult goal to attain, and even the best teams almost always need a bit of luck to win one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
Believe it or not, non SLIAC readers, I forecasted a conference championship for Greenville  ... but then they lost a starting Guard who transferred to Wheaton
... where he's seen a grand total of fifteen minutes of varsity playing time and received DNPs in seven of Wheaton's eleven games -- and this for a team that has a much-commented-upon lack of depth.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PM
Rivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.
That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

There's two D-III members that play men's basketball that are called Wheaton. One of them is in Illinois and one of them is in Massachusetts. In the future please be more specific as to which Wheaton you're referring.

OxyBob

USUALLY (as in this case, though not always, which is why I have also sometimes asked the question) the distinction in Wheatons is crystal clear to anyone following d3 sports.  As you provided no context, the distinction between Westminsters was NOT clear, yet as Greg made clear, the distinction mattered in terms of CIT's chances of a win.  Besides, he only made a clarification, not a challenge to you, Oh Messiah-wannabe. ::)

Other than your 'eyewitness reports' (which I enjoy and value highly), do you EVER post other than to be offensive and attempt to bully people?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 05, 2010, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
Believe it or not, non SLIAC readers, I forecasted a conference championship for Greenville  ... but then they lost a starting Guard who transferred to Wheaton
... where he's seen a grand total of fifteen minutes of varsity playing time and received DNPs in seven of Wheaton's eleven games -- and this for a team that has a much-commented-upon lack of depth.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:43:07 PM
Rivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.
That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

There's two D-III members that play men's basketball that are called Wheaton. One of them is in Illinois and one of them is in Massachusetts. In the future please be more specific as to which Wheaton you're referring.

OxyBob

USUALLY (as in this case, though not always, which is why I have also sometimes asked the question) the distinction in Wheatons is crystal clear to anyone following d3 sports.  As you provided no context, the distinction between Westminsters was NOT clear, yet as Greg made clear, the distinction mattered in terms of CIT's chances of a win.  Besides, he only made a clarification, not a challenge to you, Oh Messiah-wannabe. ::)

Other than your 'eyewitness reports' (which I enjoy and value highly), do you EVER post other than to be offensive and attempt to bully people?

I think so... "EVER" is a long time.  And "Offensive and bullying" are pretty strong... and asking for clarification on which Wheaton is about as bullying as asking for clarification on Westminster...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2010, 06:42:48 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 05, 2010, 05:50:07 PM
I think so... "EVER" is a long time.  And "Offensive and bullying" are pretty strong

You must not spend much time in the SCIAC room, which has turned into an endless Don Rickles routine on OxyBob's part as he bashes Chapman every which way from Sunday. He's done everything but call oldchap and dahlby "hockey pucks."

Quote from: PointSpecial on January 05, 2010, 05:50:07 PMand asking for clarification on which Wheaton is about as bullying as asking for clarification on Westminster...

That would be true if: a) it was unclear within the context of the posts which Wheaton was being referenced; and b) there was no prior history (i.e., my post about which Westminster was playing Caltech) that made it clear that OxyBob was simply dispensing some retributive snark.

If you knew nothing about Ben Cochran's transfer, which would mean that you don't regularly read the CCIW and SLIAC rooms (and, let's face it, a lot of people don't), you could still easily pick up from the context of my dialogue with Hopefan that the Wheaton to which we were referring is the one in Illinois, not the one in Massachusetts. Why? Because Hopefan posted this:

Quote from: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 04:22:49 PM
unbelievably, the only story I heard was that he wanted to go to a school that had a shot at a National Championship....  Ideally, he could recognize his mistake and come back for his senior year......   Maryville had a kid do that, started as a frosh, went back home to his local school St. norb's for a semester his soph year, then came back to Maryville.  I really do think most kids would rather play at Greenville level than sit with no chance at a Wheaton level....   Though it surprised me when I saw Wheaton as the one smaller starting guard didn't appear to be playing any special role......  I guess there is just that much difference...... Ben was an exciting, though somewhat out of control, player for Greenville.

(emphasis mine)

The Wheaton in Illinois is a universally-recognized national power in D3, fresh off of appearances in the Sweet Sixteen in '09 and the Elite Eight in '08. The Wheaton in Massachusetts has no appreciable D3 tournament history, no D3 tournament appearances over the past decade, and is coming off of a 14-12 season in which it finished third in a middle-tier league. In other words, there's no mistaking which Wheaton is meant when one uses the words, "a school that had a shot at a national championship."

Also, I wasn't asking to which Westminster OxyBob was referring. (I knew which one it was, because I looked it up on the schedule pages before I posted.) I pointed out that it was, as I said, "a distinction with a difference" as far as Caltech's chances for a win were concerned, as the Missouri version of Westminster appears to be a significantly stronger team than its Keystone State counterpart. Since the context of the discussion was Caltech's ongoing futility and the likelihood that the Beavers could win a game this year (the discussion took place in this room, after all), it was a perfectly relevant and non-controversial point to raise.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 07:03:57 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2010, 04:57:01 PM
I see that OxyBob's New Year's resolution is to spread even more happiness and good cheer than he spread in 2009.

Touché.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
Other than your 'eyewitness reports' (which I enjoy and value highly), do you EVER post other than to be offensive and attempt to bully people?

Douche.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2010, 06:42:48 PM
You must not spend much time in the SCIAC room, which has turned into an endless Don Rickles routine on OxyBob's part as he bashes Chapman every which way from Sunday. He's done everything but call oldchap and dahlby "hockey pucks."

http://www.thehockeypuck.com

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
PS,

If you had any questions about the PM explanation I sent you earlier, I imagine OxyBob has answered them by now! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
no further activity on the undefeated or undefeated vs D3, ....    BUT

Schreiner drops off the Winless List by beating Texas Lutheran, 72-68.   The winless list moves to 11, Tex Lu stays on the winless vs D3 list

Baptist Bible is off the winless vs D3 list, beating winless Cazenovia  87-84

And  Grinnell drops off the winless vs D3 list, beating Lake Forest  82-78

Winless vs D3 now at 13.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2010, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
And  Grinnell drops off the winless vs D3 list, beating Lake Forest  82-78
What, did they call this game at halftime?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2010, 03:05:12 PM
Grinnell got the lead and held the ball....   Wanted off the list.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2010, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
Schreiner drops off the Winless List by beating Texas Lutheran, 72-68. 

I've always thought that Schreiner's starters should come out onto the floor during introductions wearing fezzes and driving miniature cars.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
    Sager -   at first I didn't get it  -  then it hit....   ;D ;D    I'm a little slow....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 07, 2010, 10:44:48 PM
Mississippi College loses tonight.

For what its worth (nothing), MIT did end up with the best start of any of the survivor pool teams (11-0), although they did not "survive" the longest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 07, 2010, 11:08:55 PM
The undefeated list is down to Randolph-Macon and Medaille.  Colby-Sawyer beat Middlebury (10-1) 86-76 and Concordia-Austin beat Mississippi College 81-72 tonight.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2010, 11:13:18 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 07, 2010, 10:44:48 PM
Mississippi College loses tonight.

For what its worth (nothing), MIT did end up with the best start of any of the survivor pool teams (11-0), although they did not "survive" the longest.

If it is any comfort, I believe MIT is the only selected team who is still unbeaten against a d3 opponent. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 07, 2010, 11:17:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2010, 11:13:18 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 07, 2010, 10:44:48 PM
Mississippi College loses tonight.

For what its worth (nothing), MIT did end up with the best start of any of the survivor pool teams (11-0), although they did not "survive" the longest.

If it is any comfort, I believe MIT is the only selected team who is still unbeaten against a d3 opponent. ;)

That makes me feel even better.  I won my own consolation pool also.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:15:28 AM
The Eastern Nazarene Crusaders find the Holy Grail and fall off the winless list as they defeat Daniel Webster 62-55. The Crusaders score the game's first basket and are never headed the entire 1st half outscoring the Eagles 13 to 3 over the final 4 minutes to go into the break up 34-21. They stretch their lead to 17 early in the 2nd half but Daniel Webster goes on a 25-2 run over the next 7 minutes to take a 46-40 lead. Still down by 6 at 50-44 with 10 minutes left to play the Crusaders end the game on an 18-5 run to claim the victory.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:23:11 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 30, 2009, 09:27:10 PM
Looks like the real thrills for the ongoing season will reside in the Undefeated and winless room where the winless survivor pool is still going hot and heavy with 4 competitors   ;D ;D ;D

Caltech  (Magicman)
Bard  (hopefan)
Eastern Nazarene (Hoops Fan) 1/07
UMPI (Mr.Ypsi)



And then there were 3.  Eastern Nazarene beats Daniel Webster 62-55.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:47:42 AM
And the Bard Raptors must have been feeling it tonight as they storm out of the gate and present their head coach Adam Turner with the 1st win of his coaching career with a 73-53 win over NYU-Polytechnic to drop off the winless list. Raptors grab the early lead and were up 40-21 at the break. Polytechnic closed to within 9 at one point in the 2nd half but Bard would not be denied and coasted home.     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:55:19 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:23:11 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 30, 2009, 09:27:10 PM
Looks like the real thrills for the ongoing season will reside in the Undefeated and winless room where the winless survivor pool is still going hot and heavy with 4 competitors   ;D ;D ;D

Caltech  (Magicman)
Bard  (hopefan) 1/07
Eastern Nazarene (Hoops Fan) 1/07
UMPI (Mr.Ypsi)



And then there were 3.

Sorry hopefan make that 2 as Bard tops NYU-Polytechnic 73-53.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2010, 09:32:28 AM
aaah   it was a great run while it lasted   :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2010, 09:49:10 AM
Through Jan 7

UNDEFEATED (2)   was at (4)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH
out are Mississippi (lose to Concordia Austin), Middlebury (lose to Colby-Sawyer)

WINLESS  (9)   (UMPI Grandfathered in)   (down from 12)
New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST
Maine-Presque Isle   NAIA-D2  

Out are Bard (beat Polytechnic), Eastern Nazarene (Beat Daniel Webster), and Schreiner (beat Texas Lutheran)

Undefeated vs D3 Only   (lost to a non-D3) (4)    No change
MIT  NEWMAC   NE
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST



Winless vs D3 only  (they've beat a non D3)  (12)   was at (16)

Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
Dickinson   CC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH

Out are D'Youville (Beat Hilbert), Baptist Bible (Beat winless Cazenovia), Grinnell (Beat Lake Forest), and Greenville (Beat Dominican)

NOTE - BIG Game TONITE   UMPI at Maine Maritime
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2010, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 31, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
This has GOT to be a record - going from five to one in TWO days! :o

And thanks for keeping me in the other pool after UMPI was declared ineligible midseason. ;)  Innocent 'dupes' should not have to suffer! :P  They're still my favorite d3 sadsacks, d3 or not.  I'm tempted to send them the money to fly out to Caltech!

It would be much cheaper just to bus them down to Bard.

NOW do you understand why I picked Caltech?! ;D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 02, 2010, 04:18:21 AM
And the real reason you're tempted to fly UMPI to out to play Caltech is you know Caltech would win and I'd be out of the running before you lose by beating Paul Smith's. :P

I think my earlier post said it all. ;) Now that it's down to just the two of us I like my chances. As Oxy Bob was so kind to point out, Caltech only has SCIAC games left where they are working on a 287 game winless streak. You, on the other hand, have a very winable game tonight against Maine Maritme and should the Owls stay alive by losing that game, a victory is all but guaranteed when you host SUNY Canton and Paul Smith's on back to back nights, Jan 22nd & 23rd. ;D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2010, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 02, 2010, 04:18:21 AM
And the real reason you're tempted to fly UMPI to out to play Caltech is you know Caltech would win and I'd be out of the running before you lose by beating Paul Smith's. :P

I think my earlier post said it all. ;) Now that it's down to just the two of us I like my chances. As Oxy Bob was so kind to point out, Caltech only has SCIAC games left where they are working on a 287 game winless streak. You, on the other hand, have a very winable game tonight against Maine Maritme and should the Owls stay alive by losing that game, a victory is all but guaranteed when you host SUNY Canton and Paul Smith's on back to back nights, Jan 22nd & 23rd. ;D



Exactly.  I will just about concede the title to you, but if they actually played each other directly, I'd like my chances! ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:15:28 AM
The Eastern Nazarene Crusaders find the Holy Grail and fall off the winless list as they defeat Daniel Webster 62-55. The Crusaders score the game's first basket and are never headed the entire 1st half outscoring the Eagles 13 to 3 over the final 4 minutes to go into the break up 34-21. They stretch their lead to 17 early in the 2nd half but Daniel Webster goes on a 25-2 run over the next 7 minutes to take a 46-40 lead. Still down by 6 at 50-44 with 10 minutes left to play the Crusaders end the game on an 18-5 run to claim the victory.


They're not the Crusaders anymore; they've unveiled a new mascot this year, which I refuse to acknowledge.  I'm not too upset about losing the old one, but my impassioned plea to just go without a mascot like McMurry does was vetoed by the current crop of varsity athletes.

So my winless pick is gone, but my alma mater has won a game.  Not too bad a night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2010, 02:48:26 PM

As news of my early exit from the winless pool comes out, I'll both antagonize and console myself with the fact that the team I didn't choose in the survivor pool (RMC) is #1 in the nation and one of only two teams still undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 08, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
Whats wrong with the Lions?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2010, 05:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:15:28 AM
The Eastern Nazarene Crusaders find the Holy Grail and fall off the winless list as they defeat Daniel Webster 62-55. The Crusaders score the game's first basket and are never headed the entire 1st half outscoring the Eagles 13 to 3 over the final 4 minutes to go into the break up 34-21. They stretch their lead to 17 early in the 2nd half but Daniel Webster goes on a 25-2 run over the next 7 minutes to take a 46-40 lead. Still down by 6 at 50-44 with 10 minutes left to play the Crusaders end the game on an 18-5 run to claim the victory.


They're not the Crusaders anymore; they've unveiled a new mascot this year, which I refuse to acknowledge.  I'm not too upset about losing the old one, but my impassioned plea to just go without a mascot like McMurry does was vetoed by the current crop of varsity athletes.

So my winless pick is gone, but my alma mater has won a game.  Not too bad a night.

What was wrong with the Crusaders nickname that made the powers that be decide to change it? D3hoops regional page is still showing their nickname as the Crusaders, instead of the Lions.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2010, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 05:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:15:28 AM
The Eastern Nazarene Crusaders find the Holy Grail and fall off the winless list as they defeat Daniel Webster 62-55. The Crusaders score the game's first basket and are never headed the entire 1st half outscoring the Eagles 13 to 3 over the final 4 minutes to go into the break up 34-21. They stretch their lead to 17 early in the 2nd half but Daniel Webster goes on a 25-2 run over the next 7 minutes to take a 46-40 lead. Still down by 6 at 50-44 with 10 minutes left to play the Crusaders end the game on an 18-5 run to claim the victory.


They're not the Crusaders anymore; they've unveiled a new mascot this year, which I refuse to acknowledge.  I'm not too upset about losing the old one, but my impassioned plea to just go without a mascot like McMurry does was vetoed by the current crop of varsity athletes.

So my winless pick is gone, but my alma mater has won a game.  Not too bad a night.

What was wrong with the Crusaders nickname that made the powers that be decide to change it? D3hoops regional page is still showing their nickname as the Crusaders, instead of the Lions.

Pat needs to do an update. (http://www1.enc.edu/athletics/)

The Crusaders did a lot of unsavory things in the Middle Ages, things that in retrospect Christian colleges would be better off condemning rather than celebrating by using the Crusader nickname and mascot. (The nickname actually tends to be derived more from the tendency to refer to revivalist and/or evangelistic meetings as "Crusades," a la Billy Graham, than from the military invasions of the Middle East that took place in the eleventh thru the thirteenth centuries A.D., but since a knight on horseback is a more potent mascot than a pompadoured preacher wildly waving a King James Version of the Bible, the connection to the medieval Crusades was thus made tangible.) Numerous schools have changed from "Crusaders" to something else over the past few years, most notably Wheaton (IL) and ENC. Other schools, such as Maranatha Baptist, continue to maintain their status as the Crusaders.

Personally, I'm with Hoops Fan on this one. "Lions" is a boring and commonplace nickname. Why be just another one of the thousands of sports teams in America that take their moniker from Panthera leo? There's no pride in that pride, so to speak. At least "Thunder" is somewhat unusual; Trine is the only other D3 school besides Wheaton to use that nickname, although it doesn't lend itself well to mascot possibilities.

I think that ENC should've re-dubbed itself the Nazz.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 08, 2010, 06:04:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2010, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 05:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:15:28 AM
The Eastern Nazarene Crusaders find the Holy Grail and fall off the winless list as they defeat Daniel Webster 62-55. The Crusaders score the game's first basket and are never headed the entire 1st half outscoring the Eagles 13 to 3 over the final 4 minutes to go into the break up 34-21. They stretch their lead to 17 early in the 2nd half but Daniel Webster goes on a 25-2 run over the next 7 minutes to take a 46-40 lead. Still down by 6 at 50-44 with 10 minutes left to play the Crusaders end the game on an 18-5 run to claim the victory.


They're not the Crusaders anymore; they've unveiled a new mascot this year, which I refuse to acknowledge.  I'm not too upset about losing the old one, but my impassioned plea to just go without a mascot like McMurry does was vetoed by the current crop of varsity athletes.

So my winless pick is gone, but my alma mater has won a game.  Not too bad a night.

What was wrong with the Crusaders nickname that made the powers that be decide to change it? D3hoops regional page is still showing their nickname as the Crusaders, instead of the Lions.

Pat needs to do an update. (http://www1.enc.edu/athletics/)

The Crusaders did a lot of unsavory things in the Middle Ages, things that in retrospect Christian colleges would be better off condemning rather than celebrating by using the Crusader nickname and mascot. (The nickname actually tends to be derived more from the tendency to refer to revivalist and/or evangelistic meetings as "Crusades," a la Billy Graham, than from the military invasions of the Middle East that took place in the eleventh thru the thirteenth centuries A.D., but since a knight on horseback is a more potent mascot than a pompadoured preacher wildly waving a King James Version of the Bible, the connection to the medieval Crusades was thus made tangible.) Numerous schools have changed from "Crusaders" to something else over the past few years, most notably Wheaton (IL) and ENC. Other schools, such as Maranatha Baptist, continue to maintain their status as the Crusaders.

Personally, I'm with Hoops Fan on this one. "Lions" is a boring and commonplace nickname. Why be just another one of the thousands of sports teams in America that take their moniker from Panthera leo? There's no pride in that pride, so to speak. At least "Thunder" is somewhat unusual; Trine is the only other D3 school besides Wheaton to use that nickname, although it doesn't lend itself well to mascot possibilities.

I think that ENC should've re-dubbed itself the Nazz.



Not to get in any kind of debate about the true nature of the faith of the Christians who attacked the Middle East in the Middle Ages, but it seems odd to me that the name of the Lions would be chosen... After all, the Romans put undefended Christians in the ring with lions several hundred years prior...

Maybe that's too much of a stretch, I dunno, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the switch!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2010, 06:29:24 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 08, 2010, 06:04:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2010, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 05:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2010, 01:15:28 AM
The Eastern Nazarene Crusaders find the Holy Grail and fall off the winless list as they defeat Daniel Webster 62-55. The Crusaders score the game's first basket and are never headed the entire 1st half outscoring the Eagles 13 to 3 over the final 4 minutes to go into the break up 34-21. They stretch their lead to 17 early in the 2nd half but Daniel Webster goes on a 25-2 run over the next 7 minutes to take a 46-40 lead. Still down by 6 at 50-44 with 10 minutes left to play the Crusaders end the game on an 18-5 run to claim the victory.


They're not the Crusaders anymore; they've unveiled a new mascot this year, which I refuse to acknowledge.  I'm not too upset about losing the old one, but my impassioned plea to just go without a mascot like McMurry does was vetoed by the current crop of varsity athletes.

So my winless pick is gone, but my alma mater has won a game.  Not too bad a night.

What was wrong with the Crusaders nickname that made the powers that be decide to change it? D3hoops regional page is still showing their nickname as the Crusaders, instead of the Lions.

Pat needs to do an update. (http://www1.enc.edu/athletics/)

The Crusaders did a lot of unsavory things in the Middle Ages, things that in retrospect Christian colleges would be better off condemning rather than celebrating by using the Crusader nickname and mascot. (The nickname actually tends to be derived more from the tendency to refer to revivalist and/or evangelistic meetings as "Crusades," a la Billy Graham, than from the military invasions of the Middle East that took place in the eleventh thru the thirteenth centuries A.D., but since a knight on horseback is a more potent mascot than a pompadoured preacher wildly waving a King James Version of the Bible, the connection to the medieval Crusades was thus made tangible.) Numerous schools have changed from "Crusaders" to something else over the past few years, most notably Wheaton (IL) and ENC. Other schools, such as Maranatha Baptist, continue to maintain their status as the Crusaders.

Personally, I'm with Hoops Fan on this one. "Lions" is a boring and commonplace nickname. Why be just another one of the thousands of sports teams in America that take their moniker from Panthera leo? There's no pride in that pride, so to speak. At least "Thunder" is somewhat unusual; Trine is the only other D3 school besides Wheaton to use that nickname, although it doesn't lend itself well to mascot possibilities.

I think that ENC should've re-dubbed itself the Nazz.



Not to get in any kind of debate about the true nature of the faith of the Christians who attacked the Middle East in the Middle Ages, but it seems odd to me that the name of the Lions would be chosen... After all, the Romans put undefended Christians in the ring with lions several hundred years prior...

Maybe that's too much of a stretch, I dunno, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the switch!

Besides, you wanna risk association with Detroit's (alleged) football team?! :P

My understanding of Wheaton's primary motivation for change was that it was not so much disassociation with medieval excesses as that it might put missionaries at increased risk.  True?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2010, 07:19:51 PM

They came awfully close to choosing "The Bay Lions" so plain lions is better than some of the crazy alternatives that came down the pipe.

The Crusaders were obviously not the nicest people on the planet, and I suppose that a Christian school might want something less violent.  That makes sense.  However, what made me a little perturbed was that most of the reasons they tried to give involved a real lack of historical perspective; essentially judging the Crusades through a modern lens of morality and ethics.  I think they eventually got around to the idea that Christians are supposed to be loving and Medieval warriors really don't give that impression.  That's when I stopped putting up a stink about getting rid of the mascot.

I did petition the committee to go nickname-less.  From what I hear, they were ready to endorse that idea (I know a lot of alums liked the idea) and having McMurry as an example didn't hurt.  However, they asked for the varsity athletes to vote and overwhelmingly they said they'd feel uncomfortable not having a mascot.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2010, 07:41:36 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. Not surprisingly, no word from ENC on the subject.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2010, 07:51:47 PM
Not to short-circuit the theological/historical discussion, but I have a different 'oddity' to raise: how did the two premier scientific schools (MIT and Caltech) diverge so dramatically in their athletic fortunes (or at least men's bball - I know nothing about either school's fortunes otherwise)?  One is still on the undefeated vs. d3 list; the other is still (and seems destined to remain) on the winless list.  Their overall student bodies are drawn from the same (small) pool; why such a dramatic difference in their men's bball pool?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 08, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2010, 07:51:47 PM
Not to short-circuit the theological/historical discussion, but I have a different 'oddity' to raise: how did the two premier scientific schools (MIT and Caltech) diverge so dramatically in their athletic fortunes (or at least men's bball - I know nothing about either school's fortunes otherwise)?  One is still on the undefeated vs. d3 list; the other is still (and seems destined to remain) on the winless list.  Their overall student bodies are drawn from the same (small) pool; why such a dramatic difference in their men's bball pool?

Both schools are extremely competitive to get into.  With that said, MIT has many more students apply to the university, and although they have somewhat comparable acceptance rates, MIT carries more students per class.  Caltech's total undergraduate enrollment is under 1000, meaning class sizes of no more than 250.  MIT on the other hand has yearly classes of 1000+ (which is supposed to expand by 10% or so over the next few years with the construction of a new freshman dormitory).  I would say that is probably the largest obstacle for Coach Eslinger.  Neither school is going to give the Coach picks, but Caltech is even more difficult to be accepted to (although it can vary because each school has slightly different things they look for in students, so it is not imperceivable to be accepted to one and not the other).

On top of that, both schools are competing for the same pool of highly accomplished academic students (along with the Ivies) and now that MIT has made quite a big splash on the d3 scene, more players seem to be interested in the program.  For example, MIT has two freshman from the Southern California area this year: Wil Tashmen, who is their starting power forward and Devin Dee, who is seeing very limited minutes.  

In addition to that, MIT recently changed their finanacial aid structure which makes tuition essentially free if your household income is below six figures.  I am not sure if that has swayed any potential players yet, as it was just in the last year or two that that change was made, but it could potentially attract some students who in the past would not have the opportunity to afford an MIT education.

It also cannot be understated that Coach Anderson is a really great coach and recruiter.  He is a master at defensive coaching and really stresses that aspect of the game, because for years his teams didnt have very much offensive talent.  Now that he is starting to get some more complete players, you are seeing what kind of things they can accomplish.  Coach Eslinger has much of the same qualities as Coach Anderson and learned a lot by being on his staff for almost a decade.  I am sure with more time he will get things turned around, he is only in his second year and this class is the first one he had an opportunity to recruit.

I am sure there are some other reasons but they are not coming to me right now.  Caltech also has some things going for them.  In terms of locations, Pasadena is amazing.  Boston,  though, is an amazing sports and college town in general, so some students may be looking for that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2010, 08:59:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2010, 07:19:51 PM

They came awfully close to choosing "The Bay Lions" so plain lions is better than some of the crazy alternatives that came down the pipe.

The Crusaders were obviously not the nicest people on the planet, and I suppose that a Christian school might want something less violent.  That makes sense.  However, what made me a little perturbed was that most of the reasons they tried to give involved a real lack of historical perspective; essentially judging the Crusades through a modern lens of morality and ethics.  I think they eventually got around to the idea that Christians are supposed to be loving and Medieval warriors really don't give that impression.  That's when I stopped putting up a stink about getting rid of the mascot.

I did petition the committee to go nickname-less.  From what I hear, they were ready to endorse that idea (I know a lot of alums liked the idea) and having McMurry as an example didn't hurt.  However, they asked for the varsity athletes to vote and overwhelmingly they said they'd feel uncomfortable not having a mascot.

University of Mary Hardin-Baylor went from Crusaders to The Cru and Lady Cru.

Most accurately, McMurry dropped its Indian mascot in the 1990's.  We failed in our appeal to retain the nickname when the NCAA said that there was no evidence of a hostile or disrespectful environment on campus, but we were unable to guarantee that one might not arise.

::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2010, 10:22:38 PM
Maine Maritime over UMPI,  78-68        UMPI stays winless!!!! :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2010, 07:41:36 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. Not surprisingly, no word from ENC on the subject.

You must not be on the school's current mailing list.  I got about fifty seven surveys regarding it, plus two email announcements when they made the change.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Athletic Department is less than on top of the information; I don't think this was their idea.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2010, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 08, 2010, 10:22:38 PM
Maine Maritime over UMPI,  78-68        UMPI stays winless!!!! :o :o

Yes, but the countdown to their 1st victory has begun. 14 days till that MAGIC moment. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2010, 03:11:17 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2010, 02:48:26 PM

As news of my early exit from the winless pool comes out, I'll both antagonize and console myself with the fact that the team I didn't choose in the survivor pool (RMC) is #1 in the nation and one of only two teams still undefeated.

Plus k for still trying to find a way to hang in there and claim some semblance of a victory.







Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2010, 10:26:25 AM
Bethany Lutheran comes off Winless list, Beating Crown 93-78

Winless list now down to 8


and Magicman,   Canton beats Johnson State??? ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: toooldtoplay on January 09, 2010, 10:37:00 AM
I agree with your answer to the Cal Tech / MIT question. In addition I would add that the proximity to the IVY league schools, and to the prep schools of the Northeast give MIT an advantage. Consider Carraker and Kates went to Exeter in New Hampshire (1 hour away from Boston) and Hollingsworth transfered from Brown (also 1 hour away).  I am sure Anderson was instrumental in all of their decisions.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2010, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2010, 06:29:24 PM
My understanding of Wheaton's primary motivation for change was that it was not so much disassociation with medieval excesses as that it might put missionaries at increased risk.  True?

No, it was the former reason -- although the constant use by militant Muslims of the term "Crusaders" to refer to American, Canadian, Australian, and European troops in the Middle East and South Asia no doubt gives an added incentive to people of good judgment to stop using what is increasingly an inflammatory and loaded word that's hard to defend from a historical perspective as being a term of pride.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2010, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 08, 2010, 06:04:08 PM
Not to get in any kind of debate about the true nature of the faith of the Christians who attacked the Middle East in the Middle Ages, but it seems odd to me that the name of the Lions would be chosen... After all, the Romans put undefended Christians in the ring with lions several hundred years prior...

Maybe that's too much of a stretch, I dunno, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the switch!

It's the same image that a lot of people would immediately conjure up in the context of a Christian college, I suspect: "Aren't you rooting for the animals that devoured your spiritual ancestors in the Colosseum two thousand years ago?" I suspect that a conversation that involved some of the matters brought up in this article took place on the ENC campus. (http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2005/03/Aslans-Ancestors.aspx) I wouldn't discount the importance of Aslan from C.S. Lewis's Narnia series as an important influence in ENC's decision -- especially since the Narnia movies that have come out in recent years have been quite popular.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2010, 01:46:46 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 08, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2010, 07:51:47 PM
Not to short-circuit the theological/historical discussion, but I have a different 'oddity' to raise: how did the two premier scientific schools (MIT and Caltech) diverge so dramatically in their athletic fortunes (or at least men's bball - I know nothing about either school's fortunes otherwise)?  One is still on the undefeated vs. d3 list; the other is still (and seems destined to remain) on the winless list.  Their overall student bodies are drawn from the same (small) pool; why such a dramatic difference in their men's bball pool?

Both schools are extremely competitive to get into.  With that said, MIT has many more students apply to the university, and although they have somewhat comparable acceptance rates, MIT carries more students per class.  Caltech's total undergraduate enrollment is under 1000, meaning class sizes of no more than 250.  MIT on the other hand has yearly classes of 1000+ (which is supposed to expand by 10% or so over the next few years with the construction of a new freshman dormitory).  I would say that is probably the largest obstacle for Coach Eslinger.  Neither school is going to give the Coach picks, but Caltech is even more difficult to be accepted to (although it can vary because each school has slightly different things they look for in students, so it is not imperceivable to be accepted to one and not the other).

On top of that, both schools are competing for the same pool of highly accomplished academic students (along with the Ivies) and now that MIT has made quite a big splash on the d3 scene, more players seem to be interested in the program.  For example, MIT has two freshman from the Southern California area this year: Wil Tashmen, who is their starting power forward and Devin Dee, who is seeing very limited minutes but likely could have been a starter for Caltech (he was accepted to both schools, I believe). 

In addition to that, MIT recently changed their finanacial aid structure which makes tuition essentially free if your household income is below six figures.  I am not sure if that has swayed any potential players yet, as it was just in the last year or two that that change was made, but it could potentially attract some students who in the past would not have the opportunity to afford an MIT education.

It also cannot be understated that Coach Anderson is a really great coach and recruiter.  He is a master at defensive coaching and really stresses that aspect of the game, because for years his teams didnt have very much offensive talent.  Now that he is starting to get some more complete players, you are seeing what kind of things they can accomplish.  Coach Eslinger has much of the same qualities as Coach Anderson and learned a lot by being on his staff for almost a decade.  I am sure with more time he will get things turned around, he is only in his second year and this class is the first one he had an opportunity to recruit.

I am sure there are some other reasons but they are not coming to me right now.  Caltech also has some things going for them.  In terms of locations, Pasadena is amazing.  Boston,  though, is an amazing sports and college town in general, so some students may be looking for that.

I don't know how the MIT admissions process works, but I can tell you that the Caltech admissions process is a massive obstacle for Coach Eslinger and the Beavers to overcome. It may be, for all I know, an obstacle that's unique among the D3 ranks. This is taken from Caltech's admissions page:

Quote
Evaluating

After we have thoroughly read your application, we will determine whether you are a competitive candidate. If so, we will pass your application on to faculty and then to current undergraduates who are members of the Undergraduate Admissions Committee. They have been trained to read applications and offer great insight as to whether candidates are a good fit for Caltech. Faculty from different fields read research papers, and students are very familiar with different high school activities.

Once all the applications have been read, committees made up of admissions counselors, faculty, administrators, and current students will meet to discuss competitive applicants.

In other words, faculty members have input -- and thus veto power -- over applicants to Caltech. While Caltech does positively recognize high-school extracurricular activities among its applicants, just like any other college or university, athletics isn't necessarily seen as being any more of a plus than playing in the jazz band or volunteering for Meals On Wheels -- and, given the anti-athlete prejudices that, let's be honest, are fairly common among academicians, it's possible that student-athletes are viewed with an even more critical eye than are other applicants in the admissions process. And students get input, too -- and if you get some nerdy kid on the committee who received wedgies or swirlies from the football players at his high school or was forced to cough up his lunch money on a regular basis, say goodbye to getting your prized jock prospect admitted into the next freshman class.

It's the kind of flaming hoop through which no college coach in his right mind would ever want to jump.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 02:18:54 PM
Coach Anderson doesnt get any picks either.  The only thing he can do for each of his recruits is to write a letter to the admissions office on their behalf (essentially a recommendation letter) and just wait to see what happens.  MIT also views all extra-curricular activities equal and does not give preference to athletes.  I really think the main obstacles that Caltech has compared to MIT is the class size and convincing athletes that are used to winning to come to a program that is notorious for losing (a lot).  Every class in recent memories has a graduating record of 5-95 or worse, that is not very appealing when you can go to other good schools (MIT or UAA schools) and actually win games and expect to make post-season play.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 09, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 08, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
Coach Eslinger has much of the same qualities as Coach Anderson and learned a lot by being on his staff for almost a decade.  I am sure with more time he will get things turned around, he is only in his second year and this class is the first one he had an opportunity to recruit.

I have followed Caltech basketball for a long time. Row Dow didn't turn anything around, and Doc Eslinger isn't going to turn anything around. CIT hasn't won a SCIAC game in 25 years -- 287 straight losses -- and tonight the Beavers start the conference season at Cal Lutheran on their way to 301 straight SCIAC losses. Welcome to Caltech basketball.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 03:40:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 08, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
Coach Eslinger has much of the same qualities as Coach Anderson and learned a lot by being on his staff for almost a decade.  I am sure with more time he will get things turned around, he is only in his second year and this class is the first one he had an opportunity to recruit.

I have followed Caltech basketball for a long time. Row Dow didn't turn anything around, and Doc Eslinger isn't going to turn anything around. CIT hasn't won a SCIAC game in 25 years -- 287 straight losses -- and tonight the Beavers start the conference season at Cal Lutheran on their way to 301 straight SCIAC losses. Welcome to Caltech basketball.

OxyBob

I dont think they will this season, but I think they will end that streak in the next 2-3 years.  I think Coach Eslinger has a better idea of how to recruit the types of players he needs at Caltech after being on the staff for 7 years at MIT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 09, 2010, 10:26:25 AM
Bethany Lutheran comes off Winless list, Beating Crown 93-78

Winless list now down to 8


and Magicman,   Canton beats Johnson State??? ::) ::)

hopefan,
Yes they did, 73-72 in overtime on Potsdam State's home court. Not sure why they are playing a home game at Jerry Welsh Gym but see they do it again in an upcoming game against Fisher College. Must be they need to accomadate those large crowds that the Kangaroos are pushing through the turnstiles.  :D Actually they play some games at Clarkson's Alumni Gym as well so it appears they don't have their own gym. Thought it was their 1st win of the season but forgot they beat Morrisville State back inj November also in OT.  With 2 games left to play agains Paul Smiths and 2 more against UMPI they should have at least 6 wins this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2010, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2010, 07:41:36 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. Not surprisingly, no word from ENC on the subject.

You must not be on the school's current mailing list.  I got about fifty seven surveys regarding it, plus two email announcements when they made the change. 

Well, I'm not an alumnus. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2010, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2010, 07:41:36 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. Not surprisingly, no word from ENC on the subject.

You must not be on the school's current mailing list.  I got about fifty seven surveys regarding it, plus two email announcements when they made the change. 

Well, I'm not an alumnus.

Exactly, I guess I was trying to say, if you're waiting for the Athletic Department to announce it, you might be waiting a while.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 03:40:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 08, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
Coach Eslinger has much of the same qualities as Coach Anderson and learned a lot by being on his staff for almost a decade.  I am sure with more time he will get things turned around, he is only in his second year and this class is the first one he had an opportunity to recruit.

I have followed Caltech basketball for a long time. Row Dow didn't turn anything around, and Doc Eslinger isn't going to turn anything around. CIT hasn't won a SCIAC game in 25 years -- 287 straight losses -- and tonight the Beavers start the conference season at Cal Lutheran on their way to 301 straight SCIAC losses. Welcome to Caltech basketball.

OxyBob

I dont think they will this season, but I think they will end that streak in the next 2-3 years.  I think Coach Eslinger has a better idea of how to recruit the types of players he needs at Caltech after being on the staff for 7 years at MIT.


I meant to mention this in my previous post, but I forgot to: Coach Anderson won 4 and 3 games, respectively, in his first two years as the coach at MIT.  Since then he has had 13 consecutive years of double-digit wins (including this year).  That includes winning seasons 6 of the last 8 years (only 1 in his first 6) and 20+ win seasons 2 of the last 4 seasons (none in his first 10).  In summary, Coach Anderson has progressively done better with more years at the helm of the program.  Give Coach Eslinger another year or two and I think Caltech will begin to win games, and then progressively improve from there.  If anyone has the tools to turnaround Caltech, it is Coach Eslinger with his experience at MIT under similar constraints.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: toooldtoplay on January 10, 2010, 12:22:28 AM
I wish him good luck but he will need a bit of help from admissions. All think being nearly equal you need to bring in the athletes not the mathletes to compete. Depends on priorities.  I always believed that the high level academic schools need some decent athletics to create a sense of "normal" for the overall college experience for a percentage of the student body.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 10, 2010, 09:41:11 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 02:18:54 PM
Coach Anderson doesnt get any picks either.  The only thing he can do for each of his recruits is to write a letter to the admissions office on their behalf (essentially a recommendation letter) and just wait to see what happens.  MIT also views all extra-curricular activities equal and does not give preference to athletes.

Yes, but does MIT give the faculty and students the same gatekeeping capacity as does Caltech in the admissions process? That's my whole point. Caltech's coaches have to get their prospects past constituencies with veto power who are frequently noted for their antipathy to student-athletes.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2010, 12:06:32 PM
Through Jan 9
UNDEFEATED (2)   

Medaille   AMCC   EAST
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH

WINLESS  (8)   (UMPI Grandfathered in)   
New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Maine-Presque Isle   NAIA-D2   
Bethany Lutheran out with win over Crown

Undefeated vs D3 Only   (lost to a non-D3) (4)   
MIT  NEWMAC   NE
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC   WEST



Winless vs D3 only  (they've beat a non D3)  (11)   was at (12)

Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST
Alma   MIAA   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC   GL
Dickinson   CC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH

Penn State Abington   out with win over winless Cazenovia 84-69
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
Guys - I'll be out of town on a big birthday trip and may not have internet access (unless I pay $15/day) - so you may not hear from me until Friday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 10, 2010, 01:53:52 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 09:57:32 PM
I meant to mention this in my previous post, but I forgot to: Coach Anderson won 4 and 3 games, respectively, in his first two years as the coach at MIT.  Since then he has had 13 consecutive years of double-digit wins (including this year).  That includes winning seasons 6 of the last 8 years (only 1 in his first 6) and 20+ win seasons 2 of the last 4 seasons (none in his first 10).  In summary, Coach Anderson has progressively done better with more years at the helm of the program.  Give Coach Eslinger another year or two and I think Caltech will begin to win games, and then progressively improve from there.  If anyone has the tools to turnaround Caltech, it is Coach Eslinger with his experience at MIT under similar constraints.

If he hangs around long enough Doc Eslinger will have double-digit career wins at CIT around 2020. If he's lucky.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 10, 2010, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 10, 2010, 09:41:11 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 02:18:54 PM
Coach Anderson doesnt get any picks either.  The only thing he can do for each of his recruits is to write a letter to the admissions office on their behalf (essentially a recommendation letter) and just wait to see what happens.  MIT also views all extra-curricular activities equal and does not give preference to athletes.

Yes, but does MIT give the faculty and students the same gatekeeping capacity as does Caltech in the admissions process? That's my whole point. Caltech's coaches have to get their prospects past constituencies with veto power who are frequently noted for their antipathy to student-athletes.


I am not sure about the veto process, but Coach Eslinger got a few guys in this year (2-3) and if he continues to get 3 guys each year that can play, that is enough to make up a team.  I dont think he will ever have a wealth of depth, but I think it is not impossible for him to put a competitive team together.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2010, 10:46:26 AM
NYC Tech off the winless list, beat St. Joseph's (Bklyn) 78-59.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2010, 09:20:25 PM
Medaille is now the sole remaining undefeated team.  Randy Mac didn't just fall off the list, they were smashed by Eastern Mennonite, 90-67.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hasanova on January 13, 2010, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2010, 09:20:25 PM
Medaille is now the sole remaining undefeated team.  Randy Mac didn't just fall off the list, they were smashed by Eastern Mennonite, 90-67.
And now there are none ... Medaille fell tonight as well, 68-65, at Pitt-Bradford.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 05:19:07 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 31, 2009, 04:22:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 31, 2009, 03:27:22 AM
Sac    I'd have to doublecheck all the schedules, but that could be the last game this season between totally winless teams.....   Of course there will be many matchups if the winless vs D3 teams are included .  Hopefully this room will give the Kzoo-Bluffton game some publicity!!

Also no more battles of the undefeated, with Williams losing last night, a potential undefeated match up of Middlebury-Williams was taken away.....  RMC-EMennonite still looms....



hopefan,

They may not be winless by the time February 8th, 2010 rolls around but on that date
FDU-Florham currently 0-7 hosts New York City Tech currently 0-8.


With New York City Tech beating St. Josephs (Bklyn) on Tuesday 1/11 the potential totally winless matchup against FDU-Florham on 2/8 is now a thing of the past. Of course the 0-13 Devils will still be looking forward to that date. There is no more matchups of 2 totally winless teams left. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 05:31:36 AM
Maine-Farmington falls off the winless list as they down Maine-Maritime 65-54 on1/12.  See what you missed for our pick em league Mr.Yipsi? :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 05:39:10 AM
Texas Lutheran drops off the winless vs D3 list as they beat Schreiner 58-52 on 1/12.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 05:42:33 AM
Marywood drops off the winless vs D3 list as they beat Baptist Bible 90-87 on 1/11
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 05:45:16 AM
Morrisville State drops off the winless vs D3 list as they beat SUNY Cobleskill 65-60 on 1/13.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 05:52:17 AM
Waynesburg falls off the Winless vs D3 list as they down St. Vincent 59-56 on 1/13.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 06:00:56 AM
Occidental falls off the undefeated vs D3 as they lose to Clarmont-Mudd-Scripps
66-58 on 1/13.  Oxy Bob not a happy camper. Old Chap smiling as Chapman only lost to CMS by 1 back in Dec.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 06:29:55 AM
And saving the best for last:  Maine-Presque Isle has dropped off the winless list as they beat St Joseph (Vt) 92-80 on 1/12. 8-) And not only that, they are the proud owners of a 2 game winning streak as the very next night, 1/13, they beat Vermont Technical College 84-70. And the most amazing part of all this is both of these wins came on the road!!! :o  GO OWLS
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 06:54:49 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 09, 2010, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 08, 2010, 10:22:38 PM
Maine Maritime over UMPI,  78-68        UMPI stays winless!!!! :o :o

Yes, but the countdown to their 1st victory has begun. 14 days till that MAGIC moment. ;)

Well Mr. Ypsi,
That Magic moment has arrived. It actually arrived 11 days early. Please go to the Survivor Pool board for comments about that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 08:07:17 AM
Mr. Ypsi,
I remember well when you chose Maine-Presque Isle as your winless survivor team you stated they could actually win a game and no one would ever know about it. And I didn't even notice on Tuesday's scoreboard way down on the bottom that UMPI played St Joseph (Vt.). So tonight I was trying to help hopefan out by checking on some of the teams on the undefeated and winless lists and when I pulled up the team page for UMPI to see if they had played recently I was surprised to see they had 2 games scheduled for the 12th and 13th. However no scores were listed for those games. I then went to Tuesday's scoreboard and found the game listed but it was 1 of 5 unreported scores. So I went to Wednesday's scoreboard as they played Vermont Tech last night and that game wasn't even listed on the scoreboard.  I see that you have went to great lenghts to keep those victories by the Owls (yes victories-PLURAL) a secret even to the point of bribing Pat with God knows what  :( so he wouldn't  even list UMPI's game on the scoreboard last night. Two complete days have passed before I am able to claim a victory. If hopefan hadn't went to Vegas on vacation I still might not know I had won the winless survivor pool. I was covinced that UMPI's 1 chance for victory wouldn't occur until that big game against Paul Smiths on Jan 23rd. I guess we didn't know how hungry for a win they were. And now from winless to a winning streak. :o 6 wins is a possibility this year but 4 is more likely. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2010, 12:09:06 PM
Two in a row!  Maybe next year I should take UMPI in the regular Survivor Pool! ;D

Except I guess they are no longer eligible.

Congratulations - your team stunk longer than my team! :D  (But I still would like to see a head-to-head. 8-))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 14, 2010, 12:33:45 PM
Darryl Nester can probably verify but I think Bluffton University's current 0-16 start and 0-17 streak dating back to last season is the second longest losing streak in Bluffton's men's basketball history (their women's teams have had some really ugly losing streaks).  In the 1990-91 season they rattled off 20 losses in a row after winning their first game in a 4-22 season.  Did anyone pick the Beavers in the pool?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2010, 05:07:07 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on January 14, 2010, 12:33:45 PM
Darryl Nester can probably verify but I think Bluffton University's current 0-16 start and 0-17 streak dating back to last season is the second longest losing streak in Bluffton's men's basketball history (their women's teams have had some really ugly losing streaks).  In the 1990-91 season they rattled off 20 losses in a row after winning their first game in a 4-22 season.  Did anyone pick the Beavers in the pool?

Bluffton's recent history was that of a team far too strong to get any support in our winless pick em pool. The Beavers have had double digit wins every year for the past 10 years.  We were looking at teams some of whom haven't had a total of 10 wins in the past 10 years. ;) Teams like the 2 finalists. Caltech with a total of 5 wins in the past 7 years and UMPI with 12 total wins in the past 4 years.

This would be a good year to have the battle of the Beavers. The Ohio Beavers of Bluffton (0-16) could take on the Illinois Beavers of Blackburn (2-10) and the loser of that game could take on the west coast Beavers of Caltech (0-13). I'm pretty sure Caltech would still be winless though to claim the crown.         
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2010, 06:13:08 PM
Potsdam State drops off the winless vs D3 list by upsetting Cortland St. this afternoon 63-60.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 16, 2010, 07:41:15 PM
MIT and EMU both stay on the undefeated vs. D3 list with conference wins today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 17, 2010, 03:13:02 PM
hopefan,
I tried to catch this up as best I could. I know you'll be worn out when you get back from your Vegas vacation. A heck of a lot has happened in the past few days.

Through January 17th

UNDEFEATED (2)   
Medaille   AMCC   EAST    Lost to Pitt-Bradford 68-65 on 1/13
Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH  Lost to Eastern Mennonite 90-67 on 1/13
There are now none left on the undefeated list.

WINLESS  (8)   (UMPI Grandfathered in)   
New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL Beat St Joseph's(Bklyn) 78-59 on 1/11 
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Maine-Farmington   NAC  NE Beat Maine-Maritime 65-54 on 1/12
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST
Maine-Presque Isle   NAIA-D2  Beat St. Joseph(Vt.) 92-80 on 1/12
                                                           

Undefeated vs D3 Only   (lost to a non-D3) (4)   
MIT  NEWMAC   NE
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Linfield   NWC   WEST
Occidental   SCIAC  WEST  Lost to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 66-58 on 1/13



Winless vs D3 only  (they've beat a non D3)  (11)   was at (12)

Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST  Beat SUNY Cobleskill 65-60 on 1/13
Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST  Beat Cortland St 63-60 on 1/16
Alma   MIAA   GL
Waynesburg   PrAC GL  Beat St. Vincent 59-56 on 1/13
Dickinson   CC   MA
Marywood   CSAC   MA  Beat Baptist Bible 90-87 on 1/11
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE
Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH Beat Schreiner 58-52 on 1/12

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2010, 03:19:44 PM
Thanks Magic   I agree with the teams you have left!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2010, 12:24:58 PM
Maranatha Baptist comes off the winless vs D3 List

Maranatha Baptist  56      Edgewood 53

No one left Undefeated

Winless (5)
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST
FDU-Florham   MACF   MA
Bluffton   HCAC   MW
Methodist   USAC   SOUTH
Caltech   SCIAC   WEST


Undefeated vs D3 only    (3)
MIT  NEWMAC   NE
Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH
Linfield   NWC   WEST


Winless vs D3 only    (5)
Alma   MIAA   GL
Dickinson   CC   MA
Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA
Blackburn   SLIAC   MW
Maine Maritime   NAC   NE

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
Interesting, comparing these lists to this time last year, only two repeat performances

on the winless vs D3 list both years

Blackburn and Philadelphia Bible....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 20, 2010, 09:14:47 PM
Bluffton gets their first win beating Defiance 91-83!  Go Beavers!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2010, 10:41:10 AM
Poor Blackburn loses to Eureka in OT.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 21, 2010, 10:57:45 AM
FDU-Florham almost got off the list, but they lost in two OTs.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 21, 2010, 05:14:24 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 21, 2010, 10:41:10 AM
Poor Blackburn loses to Eureka in OT.....

It must hurt worse to have erased what had been a 26-point deficit midway through the second half to force overtime, only to lose in the extra stanza on your home floor.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 21, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
Philly Bible falls off the winless against D3 with a 61-49 win over first year team Rosemont. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2010, 10:22:17 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 21, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
Philly Bible falls off the winless against D3 with a 61-49 win over first year team Rosemont. 

Point of order for the cognoscenti - do first year's count as d3 for purposes of these lists?  If first year of starting the sport, I suppose so.  If first year provisional for d3, they are not counted for many other purposes.  I'm unfamiliar with the Rosemont status.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2010, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2010, 10:22:17 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 21, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
Philly Bible falls off the winless against D3 with a 61-49 win over first year team Rosemont. 

Point of order for the cognoscenti - do first year's count as d3 for purposes of these lists?  If first year of starting the sport, I suppose so.  If first year provisional for d3, they are not counted for many other purposes.  I'm unfamiliar with the Rosemont status.
Rosemont has gone co-ed this season, with a nickname change and everything.   :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2008-10-08

http://rosemont.webnode.com/mascot/
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2010, 10:43:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2010, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2010, 10:22:17 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 21, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
Philly Bible falls off the winless against D3 with a 61-49 win over first year team Rosemont. 

Point of order for the cognoscenti - do first year's count as d3 for purposes of these lists?  If first year of starting the sport, I suppose so.  If first year provisional for d3, they are not counted for many other purposes.  I'm unfamiliar with the Rosemont status.
Rosemont has gone co-ed this season, with a nickname change and everything.   :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2008-10-08

http://rosemont.webnode.com/mascot/

Thanks.  I guess that truly is a win over a d3 opponent.  And I see the men have already caught up to the women - both teams are 3-11! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2010, 04:09:04 AM
I always considered Rosemont on my lists as they were listed as D3 on D3Hoops schedules and they play a complete CSAC sched  -  they beat Drew in the 1st week of the season, and later on Centenary, and have been very competitive in many of their losing scores...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2010, 03:37:55 PM
Shall we gauge the chances of staying on these lists? We shall...

Quote from: hopefan on January 20, 2010, 12:24:58 PM

Winless (5)
Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST - Have a rematch against PSU - Harrisburg, who only beat them by 4. But that's on the road, as are games against Keuka and Morrisville State, who aren't exactly titans. They got crushed by the other teams left on their schedule. If they're going to get a win, it's gotta be on the road.

FDU-Florham   MACF   MA - They have come close against Del Val and Eastern, and have rematches with them down the road. Everyone in the MACF is around .500 except DeSales and the Devils. I bet they get a win or two soon.

Methodist   USAC   SOUTH - This is an off year for them. The USAC is pretty bleah, and they've only played three conference games. I look for a few wins.

Caltech   SCIAC   WEST - One day, they'll beat an SCIAC team. One day. That day won't be this season unless they knock off LaVerne.



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2010, 04:21:56 PM
good stuff smed   ......    how about undefeated and winless vs D3????   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2010, 07:57:49 PM
Sorry, ran out of time. The fun of working from home!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
Stole some more time:

QuoteUndefeated vs D3 only    (3)

MIT  NEWMAC   NE - The braniacs from planet Smartron have Clark at home. They do play WPI on the road and that could be a definite issue. However, the others in the league don't seem to post a problem.

Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH - They play at Guilford later in the year and have a home date with Va. Wesleyan. They have a nice team but I don't think they'll make it through the ODAC unscathed. Of course,
who thought they could blast RMC like they did.

Linfield   NWC   WEST - Tonight at Whitworth may be the end of the line.


Winless vs D3 only    (3)

Alma   MIAA   GL - Lost by 7 to Trine at home. Calvin, Hope, Adrian and Olivet remain on the home docket.
They do play a moribund K-zoo team on the road, but that's they're only shot.

Dickinson   CC   MA - They get cracks at Swarthmore and Haverford at home. They only lost to John's Hopkins by 2. I bet they get one or two before it's done.

Blackburn   SLIAC   MW - Will the Eurkea loss knock all of the fight out of the Beavers? They do get Fontbonne on the road, and Principia at home seems a definite possibility.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2010, 08:46:43 PM
I was about ready to add Maine Maritime, but wonders of wonders they beat Green Mountain, at Green Mountain's home opener  (:o) 57-43!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 23, 2010, 02:38:21 PM
MIT's undefeated against D3 run in danger as they trail Wheaton (Mass) 57-55 with 23 seconds to go.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 23, 2010, 02:40:05 PM
It's now a final MIT loses to Wheaton (Mass) 60-57 and falls off the Undefeated against D3 list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 23, 2010, 02:46:25 PM
With Linfield's loss to Whitworth 79-62 on Friday night and MIT's loss today, Eastern Mennonite wins the crown as the last undefeated vs D3 team in the country.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 23, 2010, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2010, 02:46:25 PM
With Linfield's loss to Whitworth 79-62 on Friday night and MIT's loss today, Eastern Mennonite wins the crown as the last undefeated vs D3 team in the country.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quakerjane.com%2Fimages%2Fplain_dress%2Fpikerbonnet1a.jpg&hash=d9abf9239a7be7eb3e15ff59847242e8706069de)
Wear it with pride!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2010, 05:07:13 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 23, 2010, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2010, 02:46:25 PM
With Linfield's loss to Whitworth 79-62 on Friday night and MIT's loss today, Eastern Mennonite wins the crown as the last undefeated vs D3 team in the country.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quakerjane.com%2Fimages%2Fplain_dress%2Fpikerbonnet1a.jpg&hash=d9abf9239a7be7eb3e15ff59847242e8706069de)
Wear it with pride!

I'll have to ask my brother-in-law out in Indiana Amish/Mennonite country if a black bonnet indicates descent from the prophet Muhammed. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2010, 09:40:42 PM
And that didn't last long, as Bridgewater took down its archrival tonight, 89-83.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 24, 2010, 02:37:12 AM
hopefan and Mr. Ypsi,
Just a note of interest because we spoke about Paul Smith's College earlier in the year and their matchup with UMaine-Presque Isle. UMPI played Paul Smith's on Saturday the 23rd and won 86-70. It was preceded by a win on Friday night as the Owls took down SUNY Canton 94-90. The Owls now have two 2-game winning streaks this year and improved their record to 4-9. :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2010, 07:40:16 AM
ALLRIGHT UMPI!!!!

Ok so per prior posts, our lists have taken major hits

Undefeated   (0)

Undefeated vs D3  (0)
as noted, Linfield, MIT, and EMU all lose this weekend

Winless  (4)    Bluffton falls off with a win
Cazenovia (0-16)
FDU-Florham  (0-16)
Methodist  (0-16)
Caltech  (0-16)  lost to Pomona Pitzer by 45

Winless vs D3  (2)
Alma   (thanks to Sac for his PM updates)
Dickinson

Blackburn falls off yesterday, beating Greenville;  Maine Maritime and Philly Bible off previously
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2010, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 24, 2010, 02:37:12 AM
hopefan and Mr. Ypsi,
Just a note of interest because we spoke about Paul Smith's College earlier in the year and their matchup with UMaine-Presque Isle. UMPI played Paul Smith's on Saturday the 23rd and won 86-70. It was preceded by a win on Friday night as the Owls took down SUNY Canton 94-90. The Owls now have two 2-game winning streaks this year and improved their record to 4-9. :o

Man, I tell ya - if they still counted as d3 I might have to take 'em for the Survivor Pool next year! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: toooldtoplay on January 25, 2010, 05:43:51 PM
As MIT and EMU lost on the same day does that count as a tie in the fantasy world championship of undefeated vs. D3? Different time zones would then give western teams a mythical built in advantage!!   >:(

It is not as bad as the Vikings losing on a coin flip.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 25, 2010, 07:09:12 PM
Well, time is just a concept, you know! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 28, 2010, 01:14:04 AM
hopefan,

FDU-Florham falls off the Winless List with a 59-57 thumping of Lebanon Valley on Wednesday night.

Caltech lost again to LaVerne 73-46 on Wed. night.
Cazenovia lost again to SUNY-Cobleskill 71-56 on Wed. night.
Methodist did not play

Dickinson falls off the Winless vs D3 List with an upset of 3rd place Gettysburg 74-61 on Wed. night.

Alma is the only team left on that list as they lost  to Calvin 73-59 Wed night.



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2010, 08:24:19 AM
Thanks Magic - seriously, while my good intentions are there, I've found less time to spend on my data base updating scores due to work situation and a home situation  -  your updates are very much appreciated - (But I do update that data every two or three days, so don't screw up, I'm checking!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D).

And by the way, as long as RPI stays in LL contention, I'm an avid reader of that room - so don't feel any of your input goes unappreciated  -  also enjoyed the writeup on Brockport - would love to see that group play.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 28, 2010, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 28, 2010, 08:24:19 AM
Thanks Magic - seriously, while my good intentions are there, I've found less time to spend on my data base updating scores due to work situation and a home situation  -  your updates are very much appreciated - (But I do update that data every two or three days, so don't screw up, I'm checking!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D).

And by the way, as long as RPI stays in LL contention, I'm an avid reader of that room - so don't feel any of your input goes unappreciated  -  also enjoyed the writeup on Brockport - would love to see that group play.....

hopefan,
I know you have a lot on your plate and I'm glad to help out. I'll continue with the LL updates, but as you mentioned earlier on the SLIAC board, same problem here, there isn't a lot of people that contribute. I do see that people are checking out the board but not making many comments. Also wonder if the lineup that Brockport puts on the court (both starters and subs) isn't the smallest or one of the smallest in D3 history. I like to see D3Hoops do an article on that facet of the team. Especially because they are winning!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2010, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 28, 2010, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 28, 2010, 08:24:19 AM
Thanks Magic - seriously, while my good intentions are there, I've found less time to spend on my data base updating scores due to work situation and a home situation  -  your updates are very much appreciated - (But I do update that data every two or three days, so don't screw up, I'm checking!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D).

And by the way, as long as RPI stays in LL contention, I'm an avid reader of that room - so don't feel any of your input goes unappreciated  -  also enjoyed the writeup on Brockport - would love to see that group play.....

hopefan,
I know you have a lot on your plate and I'm glad to help out. I'll continue with the LL updates, but as you mentioned earlier on the SLIAC board, same problem here, there isn't a lot of people that contribute. I do see that people are checking out the board but not making many comments. Also wonder if the lineup that Brockport puts on the court (both starters and subs) isn't the smallest or one of the smallest in D3 history. I like to see D3Hoops do an article on that facet of the team. Especially because they are winning!!!

Thats crazy, their top 6 scorers are all listed at 6'0" or shorter.  I know teams that dont play anyone that short.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 28, 2010, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 28, 2010, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 28, 2010, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 28, 2010, 08:24:19 AM
Thanks Magic - seriously, while my good intentions are there, I've found less time to spend on my data base updating scores due to work situation and a home situation  -  your updates are very much appreciated - (But I do update that data every two or three days, so don't screw up, I'm checking!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D).

And by the way, as long as RPI stays in LL contention, I'm an avid reader of that room - so don't feel any of your input goes unappreciated  -  also enjoyed the writeup on Brockport - would love to see that group play.....

hopefan,
I know you have a lot on your plate and I'm glad to help out. I'll continue with the LL updates, but as you mentioned earlier on the SLIAC board, same problem here, there isn't a lot of people that contribute. I do see that people are checking out the board but not making many comments. Also wonder if the lineup that Brockport puts on the court (both starters and subs) isn't the smallest or one of the smallest in D3 history. I like to see D3Hoops do an article on that facet of the team. Especially because they are winning!!!

Thats crazy, their top 6 scorers are all listed at 6'0" or shorter.  I know teams that dont play anyone that short.

hugenerd,
Go to the SUNYAC board, page 163, reply #2341, and read what I posted about their team. They get killed on the boards, but keep on winning. It's all about playing as a TEAM. I love it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2010, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 28, 2010, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 28, 2010, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 28, 2010, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 28, 2010, 08:24:19 AM
Thanks Magic - seriously, while my good intentions are there, I've found less time to spend on my data base updating scores due to work situation and a home situation  -  your updates are very much appreciated - (But I do update that data every two or three days, so don't screw up, I'm checking!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D).

And by the way, as long as RPI stays in LL contention, I'm an avid reader of that room - so don't feel any of your input goes unappreciated  -  also enjoyed the writeup on Brockport - would love to see that group play.....

hopefan,
I know you have a lot on your plate and I'm glad to help out. I'll continue with the LL updates, but as you mentioned earlier on the SLIAC board, same problem here, there isn't a lot of people that contribute. I do see that people are checking out the board but not making many comments. Also wonder if the lineup that Brockport puts on the court (both starters and subs) isn't the smallest or one of the smallest in D3 history. I like to see D3Hoops do an article on that facet of the team. Especially because they are winning!!!

Thats crazy, their top 6 scorers are all listed at 6'0" or shorter.  I know teams that dont play anyone that short.

hugenerd,
Go to the SUNYAC board, page 163, reply #2341, and read what I posted about their team. They get killed on the boards, but keep on winning. It's all about playing as a TEAM. I love it.

Good stuff, I disagree with one comment you made though.  I agree they are +10 in turnover margin and +6 in steals, but that does not translate into +16 posessions per game.  The oppositions turnovers already take into account Brockports steals, so they are +10 in posessions due to turnovers and steals.  It is amazing they keep winning with 8 guys 6'0" and under playing the main roles.  I have never heard of anything like that, even in high school.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 28, 2010, 09:57:30 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 28, 2010, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 28, 2010, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 28, 2010, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 28, 2010, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 28, 2010, 08:24:19 AM
Thanks Magic - seriously, while my good intentions are there, I've found less time to spend on my data base updating scores due to work situation and a home situation  -  your updates are very much appreciated - (But I do update that data every two or three days, so don't screw up, I'm checking!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D).

And by the way, as long as RPI stays in LL contention, I'm an avid reader of that room - so don't feel any of your input goes unappreciated  -  also enjoyed the writeup on Brockport - would love to see that group play.....

hopefan,
I know you have a lot on your plate and I'm glad to help out. I'll continue with the LL updates, but as you mentioned earlier on the SLIAC board, same problem here, there isn't a lot of people that contribute. I do see that people are checking out the board but not making many comments. Also wonder if the lineup that Brockport puts on the court (both starters and subs) isn't the smallest or one of the smallest in D3 history. I like to see D3Hoops do an article on that facet of the team. Especially because they are winning!!!

Thats crazy, their top 6 scorers are all listed at 6'0" or shorter.  I know teams that dont play anyone that short.

hugenerd,
Go to the SUNYAC board, page 163, reply #2341, and read what I posted about their team. They get killed on the boards, but keep on winning. It's all about playing as a TEAM. I love it.

Good stuff, I disagree with one comment you made though.  I agree they are +10 in turnover margin and +6 in steals, but that does not translate into +16 posessions per game.  The oppositions turnovers already take into account Brockports steals, so they are +10 in posessions due to turnovers and steals.  It is amazing they keep winning with 8 guys 6'0" and under playing the main roles.  I have never heard of anything like that, even in high school.

Damn, that big calculator of yours got me! Thanks, I made the correction.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: with age came? on January 30, 2010, 01:19:42 AM
Interesting points about posessions with turnovers & steals.  I'm not even sure on this but do charges show up as turnovers and could you get an extra posession by forcing "jump balls"& always having the arrow end up pointing the other way at the end of the game (meaning that you got the last one?) Truly "the mind reels"?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 30, 2010, 06:25:47 AM
hopefan
Methodist falls off the Winless vs D3 list  as they almost hit the century mark and crush Greenboro 98-70 on Friday night.

Caltech and Cazenovia are only ones left with out a victory this year. They are both in action today.
Cazenovia with a shot at a win taking on 4-12 Penn State-Berks.
Caltech's 2nd best chance at a win, of their remaining games, as they take on Whittier (1-5 in the SCIAC)


Alma also with a chance to get off the Winless vs D3 list as they take on 4-14 Kalamazoo today.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 30, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
Thanks Magic   -  so only 3 left on our lists, and all 3 have a chance today...   EXCITING!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 30, 2010, 11:13:01 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 30, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
Thanks Magic   -  so only 3 left on our lists, and all 3 have a chance today...   EXCITING!!!!!!!!

depends how you define 'chance'
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 30, 2010, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 30, 2010, 06:25:47 AM
Caltech's 2nd best chance at a win, of their remaining games, as they take on Whittier (1-5 in the SCIAC)

You must be kidding. The Poets will hammer Caltech by 40.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 30, 2010, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2010, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 30, 2010, 06:25:47 AM
Caltech's 2nd best chance at a win, of their remaining games, as they take on Whittier (1-5 in the SCIAC)

You must be kidding. The Poets will hammer Caltech by 40.

OxyBob

That's why I said, chance at a win. I don't think anyone who knows their history expects a win. Least of all me, as they were my choice to remain winless longer than anyone in the winless pool. And speaking of hammer you sure don't miss an opportunity to HAMMER the Beavers every chance you get! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on January 30, 2010, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 30, 2010, 03:28:37 PM
And speaking of hammer you sure don't miss an opportunity to HAMMER the Beavers every chance you get!

Yeah, right:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=646.msg1038429#msg1038429

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgocaltech.com%2Fimages%2Fmbkb%2Fmbb_dec17.jpg%3Fmax_width%3D405&hash=605f3c28407fa651761b62eec0fb8b2ecb60cc9f)

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OC_SID on January 30, 2010, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 30, 2010, 06:25:47 AM
Alma also with a chance to get off the Winless vs D3 list as they take on 4-14 Kalamazoo today.

Kalamazoo beats Alma, 56-53, to keep Alma on the winless vs. D3 list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 30, 2010, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on January 30, 2010, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 30, 2010, 06:25:47 AM
Alma also with a chance to get off the Winless vs D3 list as they take on 4-14 Kalamazoo today.

Kalamazoo beats Alma, 56-53, to keep Alma on the winless vs. D3 list.

......and both teams managed to miss 4 FT's in the final 11 seconds, including Kzoo missing the frontend of a 1-1 that could have sealed it ........ I'm sure Alma's last FT was an intentional miss but still......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 30, 2010, 10:03:51 PM
That may be a reason they're a combined 8-29 this year. CLANK!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 30, 2010, 11:18:50 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 30, 2010, 10:03:51 PM
That may be a reason they're a combined 8-29 this year. CLANK!

I'm sure its on the list
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 30, 2010, 11:22:08 PM
Cazenovia beats Penn State Berks to get off winless list !!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 31, 2010, 02:25:07 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2010, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 30, 2010, 06:25:47 AM
Caltech's 2nd best chance at a win, of their remaining games, as they take on Whittier (1-5 in the SCIAC)

You must be kidding. The Poets will hammer Caltech by 40.

OxyBob

OxyBob,
At least they covered the point spread, as they only lost by 38 :D   103-65
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 31, 2010, 03:04:49 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2010, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 30, 2010, 03:28:37 PM
And speaking of hammer you sure don't miss an opportunity to HAMMER the Beavers every chance you get!

Yeah, right:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=646.msg1038429#msg1038429

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgocaltech.com%2Fimages%2Fmbkb%2Fmbb_dec17.jpg%3Fmax_width%3D405&hash=605f3c28407fa651761b62eec0fb8b2ecb60cc9f)

OxyBob
My apologies, I do remember when you first posted that picture a couple of years ago, and actually posted a comment to you about it at that time. And also remember the post in the Skyline conference last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 31, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
So we're down to Cal Tech on the winless list and Alma on the winless vs. D-1 list?

Congrats to Cazenovia for avenging a 100-68 loss to PSU-Berks.

I like the tool that Pomeroy has to assess the chances of a team going winless and projecting its record at any point in time. Massey used to do that as well. (Right now, 0-22 Alcorn St. has a 19.39% chance of going winless, thanks to home games against MVSU and Southern that feature more than a 30% chance of ASU winning; Bryant, who is also 0-22, has an 18.33% chance of going winless.)

With the mediocrity in most of the MIAC, Alma may be able to sneak in a win against the likes of Albion, Trine, Adrian and Olivet.

As for CalTech, until flubber is invented I doubt if they'll have a chance to win a game in the SCIAC. But knowing the brainy guys there - I'm sure they'll think of something!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2010, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
As for CalTech, until flubber is invented I doubt if they'll have a chance to win a game in the SCIAC. But knowing the brainy guys there - I'm sure they'll think of something!

Scheduling Bard more often?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 31, 2010, 10:35:52 PM
I would say take a trip east to hit Cazenovia, Philly Bible, and then head up to see Green Mountain and UMPI.

But...UMPI has won 4 of 6!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 31, 2010, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2010, 04:22:29 PM


With the mediocrity in most of the MIAC, Alma may be able to sneak in a win against the likes of Albion, Trine, Adrian and Olivet.


Its MIAA thank you  ;)..............and Alma won't beat Albion, Adrian or Olivet, they lost the first meetings with those three by 18, 18, 17........maybe Trine but I doubt it, its also on the road.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 01, 2010, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2010, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2010, 04:22:29 PM


With the mediocrity in most of the MIAC, Alma may be able to sneak in a win against the likes of Albion, Trine, Adrian and Olivet.


Its MIAA thank you  ;)..............and Alma won't beat Albion, Adrian or Olivet, they lost the first meetings with those three by 18, 18, 17........maybe Trine but I doubt it, its also on the road.

Der!

Well, I said MAY be able to sneak in a win. They have better odds than Cal Tech, right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 01, 2010, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 01, 2010, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2010, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2010, 04:22:29 PM


With the mediocrity in most of the MIAC, Alma may be able to sneak in a win against the likes of Albion, Trine, Adrian and Olivet.


Its MIAA thank you  ;)..............and Alma won't beat Albion, Adrian or Olivet, they lost the first meetings with those three by 18, 18, 17........maybe Trine but I doubt it, its also on the road.

Der!

Well, I said MAY be able to sneak in a win. They have better odds than Cal Tech, right?

You might want to consult Cal Tech students on that one..........

Oh and about that mediocrity in the MIAA..........two teams in the center of that mediocrity own a win over NCAC leader Wooster and another only lost by 7 to OAC co-leader John Carroll in the first game of the year. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2010, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: sac on February 01, 2010, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 01, 2010, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2010, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2010, 04:22:29 PM


With the mediocrity in most of the MIAC, Alma may be able to sneak in a win against the likes of Albion, Trine, Adrian and Olivet.


Its MIAA thank you  ;)..............and Alma won't beat Albion, Adrian or Olivet, they lost the first meetings with those three by 18, 18, 17........maybe Trine but I doubt it, its also on the road.

Der!

Well, I said MAY be able to sneak in a win. They have better odds than Cal Tech, right?

You might want to consult Cal Tech students on that one..........

Oh and about that mediocrity in the MIAA..........two teams in the center of that mediocrity own a win over NCAC leader Wooster and another only lost by 7 to OAC co-leader John Carroll in the first game of the year. :)
???
Wooster lost to Albion, but not to either Olivet or Adrian.

And as long as we're all correcting one another, it's "Caltech."   :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OC_SID on February 01, 2010, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 01, 2010, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: sac on February 01, 2010, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 01, 2010, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2010, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2010, 04:22:29 PM


With the mediocrity in most of the MIAC, Alma may be able to sneak in a win against the likes of Albion, Trine, Adrian and Olivet.


Its MIAA thank you  ;)..............and Alma won't beat Albion, Adrian or Olivet, they lost the first meetings with those three by 18, 18, 17........maybe Trine but I doubt it, its also on the road.

Der!

Well, I said MAY be able to sneak in a win. They have better odds than Cal Tech, right?

You might want to consult Cal Tech students on that one..........

Oh and about that mediocrity in the MIAA..........two teams in the center of that mediocrity own a win over NCAC leader Wooster and another only lost by 7 to OAC co-leader John Carroll in the first game of the year. :)
???
Wooster lost to Albion, but not to either Olivet or Adrian.

And as long as we're all correcting one another, it's "Caltech."   :)

Read a little slower ... Wooster lost to Albion and Olivet lost only by seven to John Carroll.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2010, 08:45:27 PM
Quote from: sac on February 01, 2010, 01:28:38 PMtwo teams in the center of that mediocrity own a win over NCAC leader Wooster and another only lost by 7 to OAC co-leader John Carroll in the first game of the year. :)
Quote from: OC_SID on February 01, 2010, 08:09:43 PM
Read a little slower ... Wooster lost to Albion and Olivet lost only by seven to John Carroll.
I read just fine, thanks.  "Two teams [beat Wooster] and another [lost to JCU]" is how it reads, slow or fast.  I presume he means "One team [beat Wooster] and another [lost to JCU]," but that's not what it says.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 01, 2010, 09:22:52 PM
This whole thing would have gone much smoother if I'd just worded it better.

Two teams in the middle of the 'mediocrity' refers to Albion and Olivet who are tied in conference at 4-4 w/ 10-9 and 9-10 overall records.

Albion beat Wooster

Olivet lost by 7 to JCU in the first game of the season.


Just pointing out that mediocrity might not be the exclusive domain of the MIAA this season. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 01, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
At any rate...

Alma has a better chance of garnering a win than our fine fellows in California.

Right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 02, 2010, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 01, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
At any rate...

Alma has a better chance of garnering a win than our fine fellows in California.

Right?

-d(a(du/dx))/dx+(d^2(b*(du^2/dx^2)/dx^2))+co*u+c1*(du/dt)+c2*(du^2/dt^2)=f(x,t)

yes?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 05, 2010, 11:02:01 AM
Alma only lost to Hope by 9, so there is some...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 05, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 05, 2010, 11:02:01 AM
Alma only lost to Hope by 9, so there is some...

They made 4 3 pointers in the final 1 1/2 minutes..........for 7 total minutes they outscored Hope something like 23-8, the rest of the game Hope ourscored them by 24
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 06, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: sac on February 05, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 05, 2010, 11:02:01 AM
Alma only lost to Hope by 9, so there is some...

They made 4 3 pointers in the final 1 1/2 minutes..........for 7 total minutes they outscored Hope something like 23-8, the rest of the game Hope ourscored them by 24

So if a team falls behind by 19 with 10:00 to go and then wins then it shouldn't count because they only outscored the other team for 1/4 of the game?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: sac on February 05, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 05, 2010, 11:02:01 AM
Alma only lost to Hope by 9, so there is some...

They made 4 3 pointers in the final 1 1/2 minutes..........for 7 total minutes they outscored Hope something like 23-8, the rest of the game Hope ourscored them by 24

So if a team falls behind by 19 with 10:00 to go and then wins then it shouldn't count because they only outscored the other team for 1/4 of the game?
Kinda like the CBA?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 06, 2010, 05:20:34 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: sac on February 05, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 05, 2010, 11:02:01 AM
Alma only lost to Hope by 9, so there is some...

They made 4 3 pointers in the final 1 1/2 minutes..........for 7 total minutes they outscored Hope something like 23-8, the rest of the game Hope ourscored them by 24

So if a team falls behind by 19 with 10:00 to go and then wins then it shouldn't count because they only outscored the other team for 1/4 of the game?

I think sac's point was that even though the final margin was only 9 points, it wasn't as if Alma had a serious chance to win down the stretch.

There's a difference between being down by 15 with 2 minutes to play and losing by 9 and being down by 5 with 2 minutes and losing by 9.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 06, 2010, 08:54:19 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 06, 2010, 05:20:34 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: sac on February 05, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 05, 2010, 11:02:01 AM
Alma only lost to Hope by 9, so there is some...

They made 4 3 pointers in the final 1 1/2 minutes..........for 7 total minutes they outscored Hope something like 23-8, the rest of the game Hope ourscored them by 24

So if a team falls behind by 19 with 10:00 to go and then wins then it shouldn't count because they only outscored the other team for 1/4 of the game?

I think sac's point was that even though the final margin was only 9 points, it wasn't as if Alma had a serious chance to win down the stretch.

There's a difference between being down by 15 with 2 minutes to play and losing by 9 and being down by 5 with 2 minutes and losing by 9.

Yes, but he made his point inelegantly so that some wiseacre like me can twist it around!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 06, 2010, 11:39:42 PM
Alma loses a heartbreaker (don't know if it really was) but they lost by 3 at home to Adrian 54-51.

at Albion next.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 07, 2010, 12:04:40 AM
Looks like Alma had a five point lead with 11:53 left, but Adrian went on a 11-2 run and Alma could never catch up. The Scots missed a 3 at the buzzer.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 12, 2010, 09:43:08 AM
Alma got drilled by 20 at Albion. Three more chances left. They play at Trine, home to Olivet and at Calvin.

Can they pull out one win?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 12, 2010, 09:45:06 AM
OUCH! Caltech lost to CMS 96-28. They next play host to Occidental, hoping to avenge an 83-33 loss.

Oh, what has happened to that scrappy team that was within single digits against Fontbonne?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2010, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 12, 2010, 09:45:06 AM
Oh, what has happened to that scrappy team that was within single digits against Fontbonne?

Not enough s.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on February 12, 2010, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2010, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 12, 2010, 09:45:06 AM
Oh, what has happened to that scrappy team that was within single digits against Fontbonne?

Not enough s.

OxyBob


... s= cowbell?   ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2010, 09:09:08 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2010, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 12, 2010, 09:45:06 AM
Oh, what has happened to that scrappy team that was within single digits against Fontbonne?

Not enough s.

OxyBob
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 13, 2010, 05:40:59 PM
Alma comes off the winless vs. D3 list, beating Trine 101-92 in 2 overtimes.

http://www.miaa.org/mbb/stats/0910/0213tral.htm
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 13, 2010, 10:41:06 PM
So it's down to Cal Tech.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2010, 01:01:51 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 13, 2010, 10:41:06 PM
So it's down to Cal Tech.

Isn't that a familiar tale
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2010, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 14, 2010, 01:01:51 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 13, 2010, 10:41:06 PM
So it's down to Cal Tech.

Isn't that a familiar tale

Well, yes, it's as familiar as the plot in any romantic comedy with Meg Ryan!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2010, 02:26:12 AM
With Caltech's loss tonight at La Verne, the Beavers have now lost 300 consecutive SCIAC games going back to 1985.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2010, 11:44:48 AM
I would like to take dibbs on Principia in the winless pool for the 2010-2011 season...  They finish the year with 9 players on the roster, 4 of whom are seniors....  if their remaining 5 return, they return 24 points per game and 10 rebounds, and most of that is from 2 players... want to play right away, come to Prin!!!!  Let's hope their recruiting goes well.......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2010, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 22, 2010, 11:44:48 AM
I would like to take dibbs on Principia in the winless pool for the 2010-2011 season...  They finish the year with 9 players on the roster, 4 of whom are seniors....  if their remaining 5 return, they return 24 points per game and 10 rebounds, and most of that is from 2 players... want to play right away, come to Prin!!!!  Let's hope their recruiting goes well.......
One of the churches that was set ablaze in the recent east Texas church fires was the First Church of Christ, Science, here in Tyler.

Let's hope that Principia can get some recruits
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on March 08, 2010, 10:24:22 PM
It seems that we were watching Albertus Mangus for winless duty not that long ago, and now they upset William Paterson in the tournament.

Never give up. Don't ever quit.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 29, 2010, 09:05:05 PM

Hey, so I just found out that Eastern Nazarene is taking an early season trip to Cali with a date set at CalTech.  Someone will come off the board early.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 29, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
Seems like kind of a cheap shot at a Nazarene team that won SEVEN games last year. :P  (And has won less than 4 only once in the last 7 years.  They're hardly a powerhouse [in fact, they are basically ba-a-ad], but not really a 'winless' candidate either.)

Don't confuse them with the REAL contenders, like Caltech or the late, lamented, UMPI! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 30, 2010, 12:48:29 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 29, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
Seems like kind of a cheap shot at a Nazarene team that won SEVEN games last year. :P  (And has won less than 4 only once in the last 7 years.  They're hardly a powerhouse [in fact, they are basically ba-a-ad], but not really a 'winless' candidate either.)

Don't confuse them with the REAL contenders, like Caltech or the late, lamented, UMPI! :D

UMPI was not lamented. They were well loved on this board.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 30, 2010, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 29, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
Seems like kind of a cheap shot at a Nazarene team that won SEVEN games last year. :P  (And has won less than 4 only once in the last 7 years.  They're hardly a powerhouse [in fact, they are basically ba-a-ad], but not really a 'winless' candidate either.)

Don't confuse them with the REAL contenders, like Caltech or the late, lamented, UMPI! :D

Honestly, I'm not convinced Caltech is by leaps and bounds worse than any other team in Division III. They just don't have a chance to play others in Club 400.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on July 30, 2010, 10:53:09 AM
I've heard nothing about Principia's recruiting, and they do play in one of the weaker D3 conferences in the country, but I'll still take'em....  it will give me a local rooting interest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on July 30, 2010, 11:12:37 AM
Caltech has a good recruiting class coming in.  With Edwards and a couple of the other guys coming back, the will have a pretty legitimate starting five, plus a couple guys coming off the bench to contribute.  They will still be very young (essentially all freshman and sophomores contributing, which are Coach Eslinger's only two recruiting classes), but they should show improvement.  I woudnt say they are going to be an overall winning team yet, but I wouldnt discount them completely either.  Coach Eslinger is trying to implement that MIT formula (he coached there for 6 years), that seems to be working pretty well on the other side of the country.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: BUBeaverFan on July 30, 2010, 11:45:32 AM
I hope Bluffton University isn't on the list very long this season.  The 2009-10 season was a pretty ugly journey (2-23) with an (0-16) start.  Go Beavers!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on July 30, 2010, 04:41:29 PM
Maybe its with the beaver nickname? Caltech's mascot is also the beavers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: RustCollege on July 30, 2010, 11:58:04 PM
Maybe we should watch out for Rust College because they have two of the best players returning Markeith Wilson 6'3 and Larry Veasley 6'7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 01, 2010, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 30, 2010, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 29, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
Seems like kind of a cheap shot at a Nazarene team that won SEVEN games last year.   (And has won less than 4 only once in the last 7 years.  They're hardly a powerhouse [in fact, they are basically ba-a-ad], but not really a 'winless' candidate either.)

Don't confuse them with the REAL contenders, like Caltech or the late, lamented, UMPI!

Honestly, I'm not convinced Caltech is by leaps and bounds worse than any other team in Division III. They just don't have a chance to play others in Club 400.

I think Caltech could be much better record-wise if they were in a thicker d3 area, like New England.  It should be a good game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 29, 2010, 04:46:43 PM
I still take Prin in the winless poll!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 29, 2010, 05:07:35 PM
Even with Blackburn in the same league, Hopefan? Seems to me that the best bet in a winless pool would be a team that is so comparatively inept that it poses no threat to beat even the next-worst team in its league, a la Caltech in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on October 29, 2010, 08:38:02 PM
I take MIT in the undefeated pool.  I hope they make it to the Harvard game unblemished again like last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2010, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 29, 2010, 05:07:35 PM
Even with Blackburn in the same league, Hopefan? Seems to me that the best bet in a winless pool would be a team that is so comparatively inept that it poses no threat to beat even the next-worst team in its league, a la Caltech in the SCIAC.

ENC's flying to Caltech in December.  ENC's improved a bit, but with travel, etc - I think Caltech's got a decent shot to win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2010, 04:51:48 PM

I'm going to take Wooster in the pool, by the way.  I think they've got a favorable schedule.  One neutral game against Ohio Northern I think they can win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on October 30, 2010, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 30, 2010, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 29, 2010, 05:07:35 PM
Even with Blackburn in the same league, Hopefan? Seems to me that the best bet in a winless pool would be a team that is so comparatively inept that it poses no threat to beat even the next-worst team in its league, a la Caltech in the SCIAC.

ENC's flying to Caltech in December.  ENC's improved a bit, but with travel, etc - I think Caltech's got a decent shot to win.

Not to mention their last two recruiting classes.  Caltech has some pretty good players now, but depth will likely be an issue.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 30, 2010, 10:14:17 PM
My undefeated pick is UT-Dallas.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2010, 10:51:45 PM
While it is insane, of course, to select a CCIW school, I'll be my usual 'homer' anyway and take IWU! :P

IF they can make it thru Jan 6 in Kenosha, then maybe, just maybe ...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Chuck, do you take a snorkel with you when you dive into the vat of green Kool-Aid, or do you just try to drink it down to the level where you can stand up in the tank? :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2010, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Chuck, do you take a snorkel with you when you dive into the vat of green Kool-Aid, or do you just try to drink it down to the level where you can stand up in the tank? :D

I just do the back float a lot! ::)

Hey, I at least admitted I was an insane homer! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on October 30, 2010, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 30, 2010, 10:14:17 PM
My undefeated pick is UT-Dallas.

I like the UT-Dallas pick, they are the only currently ranked team to not play at least one team who is at least ORV right now.  Although this in no gaurantee they will go undefeated, or even win this pool, they probably have as good a shot as anyone.  
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2010, 11:49:48 PM
For my winless entry, I'll go with Crown.  While they won 4 games last year, they managed a perfect 0-for-2008-09.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 31, 2010, 05:39:26 PM
I'll take DePauw and Macalester.

It's up to you all to decide which is for which.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on October 31, 2010, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Chuck, do you take a snorkel with you when you dive into the vat of green Kool-Aid, or do you just try to drink it down to the level where you can stand up in the tank? :D

Ya know I'm dying to see the probability that IWU goes unbeaten this year.  Maybe Mr Y will give us a double and give us the probability both the IWU men and women go unbeaten. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: sac on October 31, 2010, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Chuck, do you take a snorkel with you when you dive into the vat of green Kool-Aid, or do you just try to drink it down to the level where you can stand up in the tank? :D

Ya know I'm dying to see the probability that IWU goes unbeaten this year.  Maybe Mr Y will give us a double and give us the probability both the IWU men and women go unbeaten. :)

For each, about .001.  For both, about .00001.

But, hey, there's a chance! ;D

More seriously, I feel sorry for fans who don't know how to dream. ;)  (And with the women ranked #3 and the men ranked #4, I've got more 'realistic' dreams than most would! :o ;D)

Since Greg compiles the CCIW pickems, he knows I do not ALWAYS predict IWU.  Usually, sure, but aside from a few years lately, usually has worked pretty well! ;)  You guys need to recognize a separation between my dreams and my (semi-informed) 'rational' speculation.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2010, 04:04:05 AM
For my winless entry I'll have to stay with my winning choice from last year and go with Caltech again.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2010, 08:27:08 AM
magic...   what no regional loyalty...  the whole of upstate and New England and you grab Caltech????  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 01, 2010, 09:22:05 AM
Hmmmm......Morrisville....Cazenovia....Morrisville....Cazenovia........Ahhhh.....Cazenovia is the winner (?) of my coin toss for winless.  


Might as well stay in region and go with Plattsburgh St as undefeated.  Wish it were U of R, but that ain't happening....

Although.......anybody got Rust yet??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 01, 2010, 01:22:47 PM
I'll follow the "homerness" of Mr Ypsi (my fellow Michigander) and take Hope to go undefeated.  And I will remain an MIAA "homer" and take Alma to be winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
what the heck, Carthage is home on Jan 6... I'll take them!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2010, 03:29:14 PM
hopefan,
I didn't want to do a lot of research for my winless pick, and having had Caltech last year and seeing as how no one jumped on them this year I figured they were destined to be mine again.

I was going to do a homer pick for my undefeated entry and go with my Cardinals of Plattsburgh State, but Ethelred the Ready grabbed them on me. I guess I'll have to take Middlebury who I like a lot but I really want to root for Plattsburgh State when Middlebury and Plattsburgh meet in Plattsburgh on Tuesday, January 4th. There is a good possibility that both teams could be undefeated heading into that showdown.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2010, 03:53:21 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
what the heck, Carthage is home on Jan 6... I'll take them!!!!

May IWU and Carthage both still be in the contest by that game!  Going head-to-head with you would be fun. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2010, 04:57:29 PM
gotta get by Hope and Calvin first!!!!   ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on November 02, 2010, 07:19:29 AM
Williams.  Although I worry a little bit about the road game vs. a much-improved Wesleyan team early in the season, if they get by the Cards (and they should), vs. North Park on December 30 should be the first real test. 

There is no chance Amherst loses in 2010 with its schedule, and they don't play a really tough road game until FEBRUARY, but I certainly can't take the Lord Jeffs! 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 02, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
But I can!

Amherst for me!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2010, 06:06:35 AM
Goodness!  I better start looking to see who I'm picking!

I can already hear Carrie in the background, "basketball season already???"  >:( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2010, 06:21:31 AM
My early choice is St. Norbert College.  Subject to change!

They do play Oshkosh and Elmhurst early though.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Titan Q on November 04, 2010, 07:52:07 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 04, 2010, 06:21:31 AM
My early choice is St. Norbert College.  Subject to change!

They do play Oshkosh and Elmhurst early though.



Last year Oshkosh was 5-11 in the WIAC and Elmhurst 1-13 in the CCIW.

St. Norbert's toughest non-conference game will probably be the 12/30 game* vs Augustana.  From what I heard from people who saw the IWU/St. Norbert scrimmage, the Green Nights are going to have trouble with teams with a lot of size (they could not guard IWU in the low post, and IWU was without their 6-9 backup center) ...and Augustana might be the biggest team in Division III this year.


(* potential tournament game)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 04, 2010, 11:05:41 AM

Is anyone keeping track of these picks?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 04, 2010, 11:40:23 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 04, 2010, 07:52:07 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 04, 2010, 06:21:31 AM
My early choice is St. Norbert College.  Subject to change!

They do play Oshkosh and Elmhurst early though.



Last year Oshkosh was 5-11 in the WIAC and Elmhurst 1-13 in the CCIW.

St. Norbert's toughest non-conference game will probably be the 12/30 game* vs Augustana.  From what I heard from people who saw the IWU/St. Norbert scrimmage, the Green Nights are going to have trouble with teams with a lot of size (they could not guard IWU in the low post, and IWU was without their 6-9 backup center) ...and Augustana might be the biggest team in Division III this year.


(* potential tournament game)

Another tough early match up (though it's a conference game) will be St. Norbs @ Lake Forest on Dec 18th.  The Foresters at first look don't appear to be world beaters (14-10 last year) but they won 11 of their last 12 before bowing out to Carroll by 4 in the MWC tournament Semi's, including beating Norbs in DePere.  Their left something to be desired (2-10) but that's about as drastic a mid-season turnaround as I've ever seen.  I don't know any specific details (if they had a player or players eligible for the second half of the season that weren't initially, or if there were injuries early, etc) but part of me thinks it doesn't really matter.

Now, the MWC wasn't as good last year as it has been at certain times in the last decade, but it still was an upper-half conference and Lake Forest tied for second.  Their season kind of reminded me of Carleton...  The Knights started the year 6-8 before finishing by winning 12 of their last 13 until their first round (one point) NCAA loss to UWSP.  In the process, they beat St. Thomas and their only loss during that stretch was to the Tommies.  They ended up in 4th place in the MIAC, one game out of a tie for 2nd and finished the MIAC schedule at a 9-1 clip after starting 3-7.

Now, I don't know who Carleton has back from last year's team... but I know that Lake Forest has 3 starters back and 6 of their top 8 points and minutes guys from last year.  That could bode well for them.  I've got this one circled on my calendar as one I want to attend.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: tomt4525 on November 04, 2010, 12:16:50 PM
Of Carleton's 3 headed monster...Rosett graduates but Sutherland and Jonker both return.  They will have something to say in the MIAC this year for sure.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2010, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 04, 2010, 07:52:07 AM
Last year Oshkosh was 5-11 in the WIAC and Elmhurst 1-13 in the CCIW.

Norb's only beat Elmhurst by 2 last year.  Point by won by 8 and La Crosse won by 10. 

Oshkosh was very inconsistent last year.  They'd go on the road and lose to Whitewater in OT, but get blown out at home to Eau Claire, play Point tough at Quandt, get destroyed at Kolf by Point.  Up and down. 

Obviously Jared Jenkins isn't joining the team until after football season.  He usually sits out or plays sparingly for the first couple of games to get into basketball mode.  If he doesn't play, Point will be knocked down a couple a rungs.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 04, 2010, 04:45:41 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 04, 2010, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 04, 2010, 07:52:07 AM
Last year Oshkosh was 5-11 in the WIAC and Elmhurst 1-13 in the CCIW.

Norb's only beat Elmhurst by 2 last year.  Point by won by 8 and La Crosse won by 10.

Doesn't matter, Tom. You're putting far too much stock in winning margins when the record (and my own eyeballs) tell me that Elmhurst was very much a subpar basketball team last season. It's not likely that Elmhurst is going to be vastly better this year, either (although stranger things have happened). If St. Norbert is anywhere close to being the top ten team that the pollsters say it is, then the Green Knights are practically guaranteed to beat an Elmhurst team that will in all likelihood have a very difficult time reaching double digits in wins this season -- especially since the game will be played on the Knights' home floor.

Last season the Bluejays went 6-19, 1-13. My hunch is that they'll go 8-17, 3-11 this season -- and the three wins are mostly because the CCIW has a team that should be even worse, Millikin.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2010, 03:59:50 PM
Sheesh!  The season hasn't even started and IWU already looks like a MASH unit (two starters out indefinitely)! :(

I'm not bailing on my pick yet - unless WashU has indeed re-loaded, I don't see anyone on the 2010 portion of the schedule the 'survivors' shouldn't be able to handle.  But if both are still hobbled by January 6th, Hopefan will almost certainly enjoy that night more than I will. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 06, 2010, 04:25:52 AM
Here are the players and their picks in the undefeated pool so far.

hugenerd                 MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                     IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw (early favorite after beating D1 Evansville)
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                    Carthage
magicman                  Middlebury
nescac1                     Williams
PointSpecial               Amherst
Old School                 St. Norbert

Where's all the guys from the "S" contingent? Sager, Sac, Smedindy, Scout? Lots of good teams still up for grabs. Surprising that both of our big Stevens Point supporters passed on the Pointers. When was the last time the preseason #1 team hadn't been chosen this late in the process.

And where's all the ODAC supporters? Randolph-Macon and Eastern Mennonite are ranked #2 and #3 and Virginia Wesleyan and Guilford are also ranked in the top 25, yet no one has chosen any of these teams. If the Running Royals get by that Dec. 4th game at home against Randy-Macon they could be in good shape to win this pool. The league coaches obviously like them as they were picked to win the league over R-M. Somebody should hop on this team. Still 15 top 25 teams available and 10 days left to get your picks in guys.     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 06, 2010, 04:41:41 AM
Here are the players and their choices in the winless pool. Pretty slim pickins so far.

hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi               Crown
KnightSlappy       Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred               Cazenovia   
Flying Dutch Fan   Alma
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 06, 2010, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 06, 2010, 04:25:52 AM
Surprising that both of our big Stevens Point supporters passed on the Pointers.

More being realistic than anything else.  Whitewater has beaten Point in their first match up 3 of the last 4 years and the year SP beat the Warhawks, they lost at Lawrence (where SP starts the season this year).  They also have to go to Stout and River Falls to start the WIAC schedule, two of the more seasoned WIAC teams.  And, finally, they go to St. Thomas.  On their brand new floor.  And this is all in 2010.

I'm not saying that, going in, I think they'll lose any of these games.  But the schedule is much tougher than, say, Amherst, whose schedule is steeped in teams from the Northeast, not exactly the hotbed of D-III talent.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: scout on November 06, 2010, 02:19:33 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 06, 2010, 04:25:52 AM
Here are the players and their picks in the undefeated pool so far.

hugenerd                 MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                     IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw (early favorite after beating D1 Evansville)
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                    Carthage
magicman                  Middlebury
nescac1                     Williams
PointSpecial               Amherst
Old School                 St. Norbert

Where's all the guys from the "S" contingent? Sager, Sac, Smedindy, Scout? Lots of good teams still up for grabs. Surprising that both of our big Stevens Point supporters passed on the Pointers. When was the last time the preseason #1 team hadn't been chosen this late in the process.

And where's all the ODAC supporters? Randolph-Macon and Eastern Mennonite are ranked #2 and #3 and Virginia Wesleyan and Guilford are also ranked in the top 25, yet no one has chosen any of these teams. If the Running Royals get by that Dec. 4th game at home against Randy-Macon they could be in good shape to win this pool. The league coaches obviously like them as they were picked to win the league over R-M. Somebody should hop on this team. Still 15 top 25 teams available and 10 days left to get your picks in guys.     

Sorry, been studying for a med school module that's pretty tough.

Anyway, I'll take Eastern Mennonite. No ties whatsoever... it's really a shot in the dark. Fortunately, that's all this thing is. ;)

Smile, gentlemen (and women). Basketball is right around the corner.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 07, 2010, 07:23:09 PM
Undefeated - St. Thomas (MN)
Winless - John Jay

Been footballin'...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 09, 2010, 01:32:26 PM
Merged the two topics, winless & undefeated along with the survivor pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2010, 04:43:39 PM
Whitworth to shine, Rockford to stink.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 11, 2010, 04:23:33 PM
Here are the players and their picks in the undefeated pool so far.

hugenerd                 MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                     IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw (early favorite after beating D1 Evansville)
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                    Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                        Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 11, 2010, 04:45:57 PM
Here are the players and their choices in the winless pool.

hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy       Macalester
magicman           Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia   
Flying Dutch Fan   Alma
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager          Rockford
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 12, 2010, 11:28:30 AM

I'm going to go with Hilbert as my winless pick.  If they can get by two early season match-ups with Morrisville, I think they can go defeated through Christmas.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on November 12, 2010, 11:51:07 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 11, 2010, 04:45:57 PM
magicman           Caltech

Best bet for a Caltech victory looks like Eastern Nazarene @ CIT on Dec. 13.

OxyBob
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 12, 2010, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 12, 2010, 11:51:07 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 11, 2010, 04:45:57 PM
magicman           Caltech

Best bet for a Caltech victory looks like Eastern Nazarene @ CIT on Dec. 13.

OxyBob

I think the Beavers just might win that game. Eastern Nazarene will have that long flight, will suffer the effects of the 3 hour time change and do what a lot of east coast teams do when they go west,---- lose. I'm actually going to be rooting for Caltech to win even though it means I'll lose the winless pool. They've gone long enough without tasting a victory.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 14, 2010, 10:59:36 PM
C'mon people - pick your lovable loser!

I don't do this to hate, but to love!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: zander on November 15, 2010, 07:38:53 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 11, 2010, 04:45:57 PM
Here are the players and their choices in the winless pool.

hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy       Macalester
magicman           Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia   
Flying Dutch Fan   Alma
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager          Rockford

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: zander on November 15, 2010, 07:39:39 AM
winless- Earlham
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2010, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 12, 2010, 11:51:07 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 11, 2010, 04:45:57 PM
magicman           Caltech

Best bet for a Caltech victory looks like Eastern Nazarene @ CIT on Dec. 13.

OxyBob

You're late, Bob.  I predicted that win pages ago.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 15, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
 :o  :o :o    very nervous now about my winless pick, Principia... their best player from last year is on the roster as a grad student, I thought he was gone.....   but I'll not change my allegiance.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 15, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
This probably won't last long, but I'm short on motivation for research.

Alma for winless

DePauw for unbeaten and  a total shot in the dark
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 15, 2010, 12:37:49 PM
Quote from: sac on November 15, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
This probably won't last long, but I'm short on motivation for research.

Alma for winless

DePauw for unbeaten and  a total shot in the dark

Both have already been picked. And by your fellow MIAAers, I might add.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 15, 2010, 01:07:21 PM
Tsk tsk, come on Sac, you can do better than that....  go with Oberlin... that's always a popular great lakes pick!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 02:33:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 15, 2010, 01:07:21 PM
Tsk tsk, come on Sac, you can do better than that....  go with Oberlin... that's always a popular great lakes pick!!!! ;D ;D
Oberlin has a chance to be good this season.

Well, y'know, "good."  Everything is relative.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 15, 2010, 04:02:53 PM
UW-Stevens Point-undefeated

Blackburn-winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 15, 2010, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 15, 2010, 12:37:49 PM
Quote from: sac on November 15, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
This probably won't last long, but I'm short on motivation for research.

Alma for winless

DePauw for unbeaten and  a total shot in the dark

Both have already been picked. And by your fellow MIAAers, I might add.

I'll give my share of the winnings to the other pickers for being first.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 10:07:25 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 02:33:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 15, 2010, 01:07:21 PM
Tsk tsk, come on Sac, you can do better than that....  go with Oberlin... that's always a popular great lakes pick!!!! ;D ;D
Oberlin has a chance to be good this season.

Well, y'know, "good."  Everything is relative.
Good enough to be 1-0 and out of the Winless discussion before the first day is complete.  It seems that Westminster, at least, would have been a better choice.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 15, 2010, 10:22:16 PM
Here are the players and their picks in the undefeated pool as of opening day.

hugenerd                 MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                    IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw (early favorite after beating D1 Evansville)
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                   Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                       Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point
sac                          Depauw

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OC_SID on November 15, 2010, 10:23:42 PM
Alma gets the "W" tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2010, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 15, 2010, 10:23:42 PM
Alma gets the "W" tonight.

OOPS!  There go FDF and sac on the very first night! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 15, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
Here are the players and their choices in the winless pool.

hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia    
Flying Dutch Fan  Alma        won on 11-15 over Indiana-Northwest 77-73
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager           Rockford
Hoops Fan            Hilbert
Zander                  Earlham
sac                        Alma
augie 77                Blackburn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 15, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2010, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 15, 2010, 10:23:42 PM
Alma gets the "W" tonight.

OOPS!  There go FDF and sac on the very first night! ;D
Quote from: sac on November 15, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
This probably won't last long, but I'm short on motivation for research.

Alma for winless


DePauw for unbeaten and  a total shot in the dark

Not many statements are as true as this one turned out to be. :D

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: breakfromcoaching on November 16, 2010, 01:47:05 AM
caltech will not go winless this year now with a couple years under the belt with their system, true basketball players with significant basketball playing experience who perfectly fit the academic model and a schedule that has winable games on it.  could be wins against carengie melon at MSOE (if they meet), against southwestern (AZ) or west coast baptist in the redlands tourney or ENU, Pac Luth or Wisc Luth at home.  maybe even a win against santa cruz.  conf wise, other than oxy who looks like they have lots of good, young talent, cms who just keeps on winning and redlands who's primed for a breakout year, everyone else in their conf is beatable.  i say that lightly based on history but look at what cal lu, pomona and whittier lost and if they're going to be beat, this is the year to do it.  no vested interest other than knowing how hard the players and staff have worked in the past and how much it would mean to everyone involved with the program after enduring so many lopsided losses.  i say at least 5 wins overall (including at least 1 that breaks the conf losing streak) is a real possibility.

trying not to look ahead, but other than losing one senior, they bring back the entire core of the 2010-2011 team, and with decent 2011 class they be a team that'll be fun to follow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 16, 2010, 08:54:01 AM
Since sac wanted to claim Alma as well, I'm willing to let him have the Scots and I'll just pick a different team    ;D

Any prize for being eliminated on the first day?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 16, 2010, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 16, 2010, 08:54:01 AM
Since sac wanted to claim Alma as well, I'm willing to let him have the Scots and I'll just pick a different team    ;D

Any prize for being eliminated on the first day?

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We win the bubi prize
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
Survivor Series   Undefeated  Games tonite:
Wooster (Hoops Fan) vs Cincinnati Christian


hugenerd                  MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                    IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw (early favorite after beating D1 Evansville)
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                   Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                       Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point
sac                          Depauw  dq'd   already picked by KnightSlappy


Survivor series    WinlessGames tonite:
Earlham (Zander) at Denison


hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia    
Flying Dutch Fan  Alma         won on 11-15 over Indiana-Northwest 77-73
smedindy              John Jay  won on 11-16 over Vaughn  66-53
Greg Sager           Rockford
Hoops Fan            Hilbert
Zander                  Earlham
sac                        Alma  dq'd already picked by Flying Dutch Fan
augie 77                Blackburn

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 17, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
dq'd seems harsh.  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
All right Sac, you have til 6:00 tonight to pick a new undefeated team.... Alma takes you out of the winless......   but you gotta play by the rules!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 17, 2010, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
All right Sac, you have til 6:00 tonight to pick a new undefeated team.... Alma takes you out of the winless......   but you gotta play by the rules!!!!!!

Quote from: hopefan on November 15, 2010, 01:07:21 PM
go with Oberlin... that's always a popular great lakes pick!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 17, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
All right Sac, you have til 6:00 tonight to pick a new undefeated team.... Alma takes you out of the winless......   but you gotta play by the rules!!!!!!

rules?



Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 02:33:40 PM

Oberlin has a chance to be good this season.

Well, y'know, "good."  Everything is relative.

I smell a trap
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2010, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
All right Sac, you have til 6:00 tonight to pick a new undefeated team.... Alma takes you out of the winless......   but you gotta play by the rules!!!!!!

rules?



Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 02:33:40 PM

Oberlin has a chance to be good this season.

Well, y'know, "good."  Everything is relative.

I smell a trap

I'm pretty sure that in past seasons multiple pickers have sometimes chosen the same team.  But the first one selecting gets the top bragging rights (and the lion's share of the prize money ;)).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 17, 2010, 04:49:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2010, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
All right Sac, you have til 6:00 tonight to pick a new undefeated team.... Alma takes you out of the winless......   but you gotta play by the rules!!!!!!

rules?



Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 02:33:40 PM

Oberlin has a chance to be good this season.

Well, y'know, "good."  Everything is relative.

I smell a trap

I'm pretty sure that in past seasons multiple pickers have sometimes chosen the same team.  But the first one selecting gets the top bragging rights (and the lion's share of the prize money ;)).

It's been a while since I've been in math class but I believe a lion's share of nothing is something like $000,000,000.00.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:53:36 PM
I'm the accountant... I'm here to run a business, not make friends!! >:( >:(


;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2010, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
All right Sac, you have til 6:00 tonight to pick a new undefeated team.... Alma takes you out of the winless......   but you gotta play by the rules!!!!!!

rules?



Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 02:33:40 PM

Oberlin has a chance to be good this season.

Well, y'know, "good."  Everything is relative.

I smell a trap

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Nobody can smell a trap like Admiral Sackbar!


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: scout on November 17, 2010, 06:10:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2010, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
All right Sac, you have til 6:00 tonight to pick a new undefeated team.... Alma takes you out of the winless......   but you gotta play by the rules!!!!!!

rules?



Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 02:33:40 PM

Oberlin has a chance to be good this season.

Well, y'know, "good."  Everything is relative.

I smell a trap

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Nobody can smell a trap like Admiral Sackbar!




Admiral Ackbar always gets +k!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 17, 2010, 07:02:13 PM
i will pick wooster  if not to late
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2010, 07:36:03 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 17, 2010, 07:02:13 PM
i will pick wooster  if not to late

Uh oh, he's gonna get dq'd.  Unless he meant for winless?! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 07:38:50 PM
I'm beginning to feel defeated... well if it's wooster or depauw, the prize money has to be split.... :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 17, 2010, 07:48:54 PM
Give him Worcester Poly.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 08:44:08 PM
heh, heh, heh   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 17, 2010, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2010, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
All right Sac, you have til 6:00 tonight to pick a new undefeated team.... Alma takes you out of the winless......   but you gotta play by the rules!!!!!!

rules?



Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2010, 02:33:40 PM

Oberlin has a chance to be good this season.

Well, y'know, "good."  Everything is relative.

I smell a trap

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Nobody can smell a trap like Admiral Sackbar!




Came for the Admiral...

Leaving happy!

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2010, 10:22:38 PM
Tonite's results Survivor Series

Wooster (Hoops fan and Hope1)stays undefeated 103-78 over cincy clermont

Earlham (Zander) stays winless losing to Denison 58-79
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2010, 12:38:08 PM
Survivor Pool games tonight  No winless teams playing

in the Undefeated division
St Norbert (Old School) at UW Oshkosh

That's it...   but almost Everyone has games this weekend....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2010, 10:08:09 PM
St Norbert (Old School) beats UW Oshkosh  59-44
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 19, 2010, 07:40:53 AM
Can I switch my undefeated pick to Alma? The Scots are 2-0!  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 19, 2010, 09:56:32 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 19, 2010, 07:40:53 AM
Can I switch my undefeated pick to Alma? The Scots are 2-0!  :o

That pick has an expiration date of either

Nov 29 @ Lake Superior State
or
Dec 4 @ Western Michigan

They'll probably win tonight and move to 3-0 and the combined record of their 3 opponents will move to 1-18  :-\
(I am happy to see they have some Fr. who can play)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2010, 08:13:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: sac on October 31, 2010, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Chuck, do you take a snorkel with you when you dive into the vat of green Kool-Aid, or do you just try to drink it down to the level where you can stand up in the tank? :D

Ya know I'm dying to see the probability that IWU goes unbeaten this year.  Maybe Mr Y will give us a double and give us the probability both the IWU men and women go unbeaten. :)

For each, about .001.  For both, about .00001.

But, hey, there's a chance! ;D

More seriously, I feel sorry for fans who don't know how to dream. ;)  (And with the women ranked #3 and the men ranked #4, I've got more 'realistic' dreams than most would! :o ;D)

Since Greg compiles the CCIW pickems, he knows I do not ALWAYS predict IWU.  Usually, sure, but aside from a few years lately, usually has worked pretty well! ;)  You guys need to recognize a separation between my dreams and my (semi-informed) 'rational' speculation.

Well, now there is zero chance - #3 IWU (women) fell to #12 DePauw, 77-65, in the very first game. :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
 I take no pleasure in stating this fact as I wanted him to win the Survivor Pool but Ethelred the Unready bites the dust as Plattsburgh State falls to Western Connecticut State, 86-80. It certainly was a game Plattsburgh should have won but their 2 big scorers both had bad shooting nights going a combined 7x27 from the field with no made 3 pointers between them (usually average 4 to 6 ).   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2010, 08:37:02 PM
I do however take pleasure in this fact: Middlebury 63 Baruch 60.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 10:57:40 PM

We all missed out.  Green Mountain will be taking the winless crown this year.

http://athletics.greenmtn.edu/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/mcm1118.htm

They lost 27-94 to a mediocre-at-best Mitchell squad tonight.  Green Mountain played five guys all 40 minutes - no subs.  14 rebounds total and 22 turnovers.

I had heard there were some defections from the team, but this is rough.

15 Mitchell players played double digit minutes - no one more than 15.  Everyone scored save Eric Del Rio (who played the longest and notched 3 assists).

It was 7-49 at halftime.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
nescac1  lives on as #8 Williams downs Southern Vermont 97-65

scout survives as Eastern Mennonite tops Penn State-Brandywine 124-71

hopefan's Carthage Redmen defeat Bethany Lutheran 108-92

Mr. Yipsi was sweating bullets as IWU barely survives 78-76 over Aurora on a Doug Sexauer basket with 5 seconds left to play. Titans came back from a 15 pt deficit in this game. Aurora's last 5 possessions resulted in 3 missed field goals, missed the front end of a 1&1 and another missed fg. LUCKY TITANS!!!

smedindy's Tommies also in a squeaker as they beat Pacific Lutheran 73-70

PointSpecial has the closest call of the night as Amherst beats Maine-Farmington in OT 90-89

KnightSlappy's happy as Depauw opens the season with a 64-58 win over Franklin   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2010, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 19, 2010, 10:57:40 PM

We all missed out.  Green Mountain will be taking the winless crown this year.

http://athletics.greenmtn.edu/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/mcm1118.htm

They lost 27-94 to a mediocre-at-best Mitchell squad tonight.  Green Mountain played five guys all 40 minutes - no subs.  14 rebounds total and 22 turnovers.

I had heard there were some defections from the team, but this is rough.

15 Mitchell players played double digit minutes - no one more than 15.  Everyone scored save Eric Del Rio (who played the longest and notched 3 assists).

It was 7-49 at halftime.


Shhssh!  Not so loud Sac will try to claim them. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 20, 2010, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 19, 2010, 10:57:40 PM

We all missed out.  Green Mountain will be taking the winless crown this year.

http://athletics.greenmtn.edu/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/mcm1118.htm


I've never seen a boxscore without subs.  Incredible.

They also have only 20 games on their schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2010, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 19, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
nescac1  lives on as #8 Williams downs Southern Vermont 97-65

scout survives as Eastern Mennonite tops Penn State-Brandywine 124-71

hopefan's Carthage Redmen defeat Bethany Lutheran 108-92

Mr. Yipsi was sweating bullets as IWU barely survives 78-76 over Aurora on a Doug Sexauer basket with 5 seconds left to play. Titans came back from a 15 pt deficit in this game. Aurora's last 5 possessions resulted in 3 missed field goals, missed the front end of a 1&1 and another missed fg. LUCKY TITANS!!!

smedindy's Tommies also in a squeaker as they beat Pacific Lutheran 73-70

PointSpecial has the closest call of the night as Amherst beats Maine-Farmington in OT 90-89
   

Mr. Ypsi probably would have been sweating bullets, except he wasn't following the game! ;D  Mr. Y can't seem to get out of football mode. :P

While he notes the shocking loss of (women's) #3 IWU to #12 DePauw, and the narrow win by the men, he is still fixating on NCC and Wheaton in football.

Since Mr. Y is not particularly a fan of either NCC or Wheaton (just of the CCIW), he is uncertain why this should be true.  Mr. Y is also uncertain why he is suddenly posting in the 3rd person. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2010, 01:07:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2010, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 19, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
nescac1  lives on as #8 Williams downs Southern Vermont 97-65

scout survives as Eastern Mennonite tops Penn State-Brandywine 124-71

hopefan's Carthage Redmen defeat Bethany Lutheran 108-92

Mr. Yipsi was sweating bullets as IWU barely survives 78-76 over Aurora on a Doug Sexauer basket with 5 seconds left to play. Titans came back from a 15 pt deficit in this game. Aurora's last 5 possessions resulted in 3 missed field goals, missed the front end of a 1&1 and another missed fg. LUCKY TITANS!!!

smedindy's Tommies also in a squeaker as they beat Pacific Lutheran 73-70

PointSpecial has the closest call of the night as Amherst beats Maine-Farmington in OT 90-89
   

Mr. Ypsi probably would have been sweating bullets, except he wasn't following the game! ;D  Mr. Y can't seem to get out of football mode. :P

While he notes the shocking loss of (women's) #3 IWU to #12 DePauw, and the narrow win by the men, he is still fixating on NCC and Wheaton in football.

Since Mr. Y is not particularly a fan of either NCC or Wheaton (just of the CCIW), he is uncertain why this should be true.  Mr. Y is also uncertain why he is suddenly posting in the 3rd person. :P

You've been lurking way too long on the Empire 8 and Liberty League Post Patterns boards. Reading Pep and Dlip will do that to you. :D ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2010, 02:39:25 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2010, 01:07:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2010, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 19, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
nescac1  lives on as #8 Williams downs Southern Vermont 97-65

scout survives as Eastern Mennonite tops Penn State-Brandywine 124-71

hopefan's Carthage Redmen defeat Bethany Lutheran 108-92

Mr. Yipsi was sweating bullets as IWU barely survives 78-76 over Aurora on a Doug Sexauer basket with 5 seconds left to play. Titans came back from a 15 pt deficit in this game. Aurora's last 5 possessions resulted in 3 missed field goals, missed the front end of a 1&1 and another missed fg. LUCKY TITANS!!!

smedindy's Tommies also in a squeaker as they beat Pacific Lutheran 73-70

PointSpecial has the closest call of the night as Amherst beats Maine-Farmington in OT 90-89
   

Mr. Ypsi probably would have been sweating bullets, except he wasn't following the game! ;D  Mr. Y can't seem to get out of football mode. :P

While he notes the shocking loss of (women's) #3 IWU to #12 DePauw, and the narrow win by the men, he is still fixating on NCC and Wheaton in football.

Since Mr. Y is not particularly a fan of either NCC or Wheaton (just of the CCIW), he is uncertain why this should be true.  Mr. Y is also uncertain why he is suddenly posting in the 3rd person. :P

You've been lurking way too long on the Empire 8 and Liberty League Post Patterns boards. Reading Pep and Dlip will do that to you. :D ;)

Mr. Y pleads guilty to the charges, and hopes desperately to escape from this prison! :D

I did do some bball study this evening, and think I may be beginning to emerge from this fball nightmare! :D  Though I see on the national pickems that Mr. Y is tied for the lead with a lazy fball fallback position, so Mr. Y may not have left the building just yet! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 20, 2010, 02:55:33 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2010, 02:39:25 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2010, 01:07:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2010, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 19, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
nescac1  lives on as #8 Williams downs Southern Vermont 97-65

scout survives as Eastern Mennonite tops Penn State-Brandywine 124-71

hopefan's Carthage Redmen defeat Bethany Lutheran 108-92

Mr. Yipsi was sweating bullets as IWU barely survives 78-76 over Aurora on a Doug Sexauer basket with 5 seconds left to play. Titans came back from a 15 pt deficit in this game. Aurora's last 5 possessions resulted in 3 missed field goals, missed the front end of a 1&1 and another missed fg. LUCKY TITANS!!!

smedindy's Tommies also in a squeaker as they beat Pacific Lutheran 73-70

PointSpecial has the closest call of the night as Amherst beats Maine-Farmington in OT 90-89
   

Mr. Ypsi probably would have been sweating bullets, except he wasn't following the game! ;D  Mr. Y can't seem to get out of football mode. :P

While he notes the shocking loss of (women's) #3 IWU to #12 DePauw, and the narrow win by the men, he is still fixating on NCC and Wheaton in football.

Since Mr. Y is not particularly a fan of either NCC or Wheaton (just of the CCIW), he is uncertain why this should be true.  Mr. Y is also uncertain why he is suddenly posting in the 3rd person. :P

You've been lurking way too long on the Empire 8 and Liberty League Post Patterns boards. Reading Pep and Dlip will do that to you. :D ;)

Mr. Y pleads guilty to the charges, and hopes desperately to escape from this prison! :D

I did do some bball study this evening, and think I may be beginning to emerge from this fball nightmare! :D  Though I see on the national pickems that Mr. Y is tied for the lead with a lazy fball fallback position, so Mr. Y may not have left the building just yet! ;D

It appears Mr. Ypsi is not only talking in the third person but also is not acquainted enough with himself to be able to get away from using the formal "Mr." when referring to his himself.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2010, 07:49:51 PM
The much anticipated (well, at least by hopefan and me! ;)) Jan. 8th showdown of unbeaten Carthage v. unbeaten IWU has been derailed.  Carthage falls by a point to #18 JCU, 70-69.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2010, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: sac on November 20, 2010, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 19, 2010, 10:57:40 PM

We all missed out.  Green Mountain will be taking the winless crown this year.

http://athletics.greenmtn.edu/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/mcm1118.htm


I've never seen a boxscore without subs.  Incredible.

They also have only 20 games on their schedule.

They did it again.  Scoring better, but still without subs.  Green Mountain falls to Mt Ida 39-95.  Mt Ida only played six guys, perhaps in an attempt to be sporting?  Brian Hapgood managed a triple double for them.

I'm going to look into this.  There's got to be a story there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2010, 10:01:57 PM

Green Mountain College is a small liberal arts college focused on environmental issues.  They've got about 800 students and, actually, seems like a really cool place.

From their website:

QuoteGreen Mountain College is situated in southern Vermont's beautiful lakes region, with the Adirondack Mountains to the west and the Green Mountains to the east. The 155-acre campus features athletic fields, a farm with a garden and livestock, a ropes course, hiking trails, and a great swimming hole on the Poultney River. 

Students are encouraged to gain hands-on experience through internships, service-learning opportunities and study abroad programs. Interdisciplinary block courses allow students to spend an entire semester working with professors from multiple disciplines on a single area of focus, often through field research, overnight outings, discussions with experts and a culminating project. Adventure programming and the Farm and Food Project provide additional hands-on learning opportunities.

They've got six players listed on the basketball roster; none over 6'2".  Two Seniors, two Sophomores, and two Freshmen.  Sophomore guard Kenneth Williams must be injured or otherwise predisposed. 

They lost all five starters from last year's squad.  One of the players listed in their pre-season summary is not on the roster - he's evidently been replaced by a local kid.

This could be a long year for Green Mountain.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2010, 10:40:44 PM
RPI guys who were too gross to get Russel Sage or Skidmore girls for dates would sometimes hitch up route 7 to try Green Mountain college... if you struck out, you still could go over to the Green Mountain
track and bet the ponies or dogs.....   

But enough reminicing... no one noticed that one of my SLIAC teams took Sager's Rockford team out of the winless competition   Rockford beats Eureka!!!!

My Carthage team falls, but my Principia boys lose to Sewanee, staying alive in the highly prestigious winless competition....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2010, 01:17:16 AM

I think there should also be a special recognition for the last person still alive in both pools.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2010, 01:58:15 AM
Results after Saturday's games. The Undefeated Survivor Pool has been reduced by 4 players over the past 2 days. 14 contenders remain

hugenerd         MIT                                  Lost to Framingham St  73-70
Hoops Fan               Wooster                    Beat Cincinnati Christian 103-78
Ralph Turner    UT-Dallas                         Lost to Schreiner 75-65
Mr Ypsi                    IWU                         Beat Ripon  82-74
KnightSlappy            Depauw                     Beat Earlham 67-51
Ethelred           Plattsburgh State             Lost 11-19 to Western Ct. St. 86-80
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope                        1st game 11-23
hopefan           Carthage                          Lost to John Carroll 70-69
magicman                 Middlebury                 Beat Mass-Dartmouth 86-62
nescac1                   Williams                      Beat Regis  58-48
PointSpecial              Amherst                     Beat Castleton St 56-34          
Old School                St. Norbert                  DNP Next 11-23
scout                       Eastern Mennonite      Beat Southern Va 75-72
smedindy                  St. Thomas                 Beat Puget Sound 69-49
Greg Sager               Whitworth                  Beat Loras 74-50
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point      Beat St. Johns (Minn) 78-51
sac                          Depauw                    Beat Earlham 67-51
hope 1                     Wooster                    Beat Cincinnati Christrian 103-78

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2010, 02:35:21 AM
Winless Survivor's Pool after Saturday's games

hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia    
Flying Dutch Fan   Alma      won on 11-15 over Indiana-Northwest 77-73
smedindy            John Jay  won on 11-16 over Vaughn  66-53
Greg Sager          Rockford  won on 11-20 over Eureka 76-73
Hoops Fan          Hilbert
Zander                Earlham
sac                     Alma  won on 11-15 over Indiana-Northwest 77-73
augie 77                Blackburn

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2010, 03:48:14 AM
My double-whammy super secret hex worked on UT-Dallas.

Schreiner beat Trinity earlier in the week, so they have something building with their "new" (3rd-year) coach, 1995 Kenyon grad, Drew Miller (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/MBasketball/coaches.htm).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2010, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: sac on November 20, 2010, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 19, 2010, 10:57:40 PM

We all missed out.  Green Mountain will be taking the winless crown this year.

http://athletics.greenmtn.edu/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/mcm1118.htm


I've never seen a boxscore without subs.  Incredible.

They also have only 20 games on their schedule.

I have for some obscure obscure teams from the nether regions of Christian athletics.

But yikes!!!

BTW - they have a Cleopass Nakoma on their team. Name of the year, obscure NE region tomato can division?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2010, 08:41:44 PM
Caltech lost by just 8 points to ORV Merchant Marine.  Could be the year they break through for some wins.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2010, 11:32:07 PM
By 8? Progress!

BTW, UMPI is gone from D-3, right? Officially?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2010, 11:51:34 PM
I think I'm in touble on the winless... Principia plays St Louis Pharma this week... Come on Eutectics,,, The Eutecs cancelled there game with Greenville the other day.... maybe I still have hope if they can't play Prin either!!! ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 21, 2010, 07:27:34 PM


BTW - they have a Cleopass Nakoma on their team. Name of the year, obscure NE region tomato can division?

And he's NOT the guy from Tanzania.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 22, 2010, 02:14:27 PM
Maybe Green Mountain can get a game with Unity??

BTW - from the Unity Web Site:

"Or you can put your energy into club sports like baseball, ice hockey, lacrosse, Ultimate Frisbee, and Woodsmen."

What the heck is Woodsmen?

(I bet Unity's Ultimate Frisbee team is world-class!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2010, 02:41:14 PM
smed  -  you don't remember the old wide world of sports competition... the lumberjack competition with handling a saw or ax or climbing a tree or log rolling.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 22, 2010, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 22, 2010, 02:14:27 PM
Maybe Green Mountain can get a game with Unity??

BTW - from the Unity Web Site:

"Or you can put your energy into club sports like baseball, ice hockey, lacrosse, Ultimate Frisbee, and Woodsmen."

What the heck is Woodsmen?

(I bet Unity's Ultimate Frisbee team is world-class!)

I hear they're also excellent at "the floor is lava".
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 22, 2010, 03:00:58 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2010, 02:41:14 PM
smed  -  you don't remember the old wide world of sports competition... the lumberjack competition with handling a saw or ax or climbing a tree or log rolling.... ;D ;D ;D

There was actually a UWSP student who competed in the newer ESPN version recently (last couple of years).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 22, 2010, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2010, 02:41:14 PM
smed  -  you don't remember the old wide world of sports competition... the lumberjack competition with handling a saw or ax or climbing a tree or log rolling.... ;D ;D ;D

Oh, I know that stuff - I thought it was the Lumberjack competition. To me, woodsmen implies other things - sort of like a Mark Trail type dude.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 23, 2010, 10:33:33 PM
Looks like Hilbert won a game that isn't included on the d3hoops schedule. Sorry Hoops Fan.

http://www.hilbert.edu/public/athletics/88/hilm1120.htm

hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia   
Flying Dutch Fan   Alma      won on 11-15 over Indiana-Northwest 77-73
smedindy            John Jay  won on 11-16 over Vaughn  66-53
Greg Sager          Rockford  won on 11-20 over Eureka 76-73
Hoops Fan          Hilbert  won on 11-20 over Keuka 61-54
Zander                Earlham
sac                     Alma  won on 11-15 over Indiana-Northwest 77-73
augie 77                Blackburn

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 23, 2010, 10:42:36 PM
Hilbert also won tonight, albeit in 3 OTs, over Oberlin.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2010, 08:09:31 AM
As I feared, I must take myself out of play, Principia beats the Eutectics of St Louis College of Pharmacy, 69-65.....   well, anyone up for a winless against D3 contest.. I'm still alive in that!!!!!

I'll note however that augie77 is till alive with another SLIAC team, Blackburn, as they lost to Lincoln christian 78-76....   Augie 77, I think the Beavers will fall (by winning) when they play Principia in Conference.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 24, 2010, 01:00:01 PM
And now I can relax and enjoy the rest of the season.  My winless team won their first game, and my undefeated team lost their first game. 

For those still in the running:  Since I'm perfect at failing at this, I'm willing to put my support behind any of your fellow competitors you would like to "knock out" of the race  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2010, 11:19:17 PM
While it is not up on scoreboard yet, WLCALUM83 (a pretty reliable source) reports that Rockford won again (by 4 over Knox).  Perhaps Greg entered Rockford in the wrong category! :D

(And yes, I know they lost their first game before going on this 'winning streak'. ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
I put about two seconds of thought into it, Chuck. I just threw a couple of likely names out there that hadn't been picked, because someone was calling upon me to join the contest and I didn't want to seem like a wet blanket. Heck, I didn't even bother checking the skeds of Whitworth and Rockford. If I had, I certainly wouldn't have picked Whitworth as my unbeaten survivor, seeing as how the Pirates have to square off against Carthage next.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2010, 12:29:59 AM
Just pullin' your chain, Greg.  Rockford is always a reasonable pick! :P

Have they righted the ship financially, or are they still in danger of totally shutting down?  (I seem to recall you suggesting they might become a branch campus of NIU?)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 01:41:00 AM
Looks like the school sold off some of its art collection and managed to pay off at least part of its $10m debt. (http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/02/16/fisk)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 25, 2010, 02:09:42 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 12:00:59 AMI didn't want to seem like a wet blanket.

Wet blankets of the world, unite!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 03:01:16 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
I put about two seconds of thought into it, Chuck. I just threw a couple of likely names out there that hadn't been picked, because someone was calling upon me to join the contest and I didn't want to seem like a wet blanket. Heck, I didn't even bother checking the skeds of Whitworth and Rockford. If I had, I certainly wouldn't have picked Whitworth as my unbeaten survivor, seeing as how the Pirates have to square off against Carthage next.

Then again, Whitworth took down Carthage tonight, so perhaps I should make random snap decisions in these sorts of contests from now on. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nwhoops1903 on November 25, 2010, 03:18:27 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 03:01:16 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
I put about two seconds of thought into it, Chuck. I just threw a couple of likely names out there that hadn't been picked, because someone was calling upon me to join the contest and I didn't want to seem like a wet blanket. Heck, I didn't even bother checking the skeds of Whitworth and Rockford. If I had, I certainly wouldn't have picked Whitworth as my unbeaten survivor, seeing as how the Pirates have to square off against Carthage next.

Then again, Whitworth took down Carthage tonight, so perhaps I should make random snap decisions in these sorts of contests from now on. ;)
You showed good instincts Sager.  WW had the longest win streak in the nation last year, you know.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 03:27:44 AM
Instincts, shminsincts. If I had stopped to think for a moment and had remembered that Carthage had Whitworth on the docket, I never would've picked the Pirates. That's much too risky a game this early in the season to accept in a team you're considering for a "knockout" contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 25, 2010, 03:42:10 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
I put about two seconds of thought into it, Chuck. I just threw a couple of likely names out there that hadn't been picked,[because someone was calling upon me to join the contest and I didn't want to seem like a wet blanket. Heck, I didn't even bother checking the skeds of Whitworth and Rockford. If I had, I certainly wouldn't have picked Whitworth as my unbeaten survivor, seeing as how the Pirates have to square off against Carthage next.

That'd be me. And if and when Whitworth claims the crown I expect my fair share of the prize money for prodding you along. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 25, 2010, 03:44:58 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 03:27:44 AM
Instincts, shminsincts. If I had stopped to think for a moment and had remembered that Carthage had Whitworth on the docket, I never would've picked the Pirates. That's much too risky a game this early in the season to accept in a team you're considering for a "knockout" contest.

Not to mention the fact that you picked the Redmen over the Pirates this week in both the pick em leagues!! :D

Plus Whitworth has to go on the road and play undefeated Lewis and Clark on Dec. 3rd. Lewis and Clark just travelled to and beat Colorado College 90-74 last week 3 days after CC beat D1 Air Force 60-57. Then on 12-20 Whitworth travels to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps to take on the Stags who just beat #1 ranked NAIA DI Azusa-Pacific 81-79. 
The Pirates end the year in Las Vegas on 12-30 to take on the above mentioned Colorado College in the inaugural edition of the D3hoops.com Classic. If they are undefeated heading into the new year they will certainly have earned the lofty ranking they will probably be in possession of. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2010, 10:19:16 PM

Hope lost tonight.  Another one bites the dust.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 26, 2010, 11:03:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 26, 2010, 10:19:16 PM

Hope lost tonight.  Another one bites the dust.

Being a Calvin fan, I really hate to point this out, but that's Hope's second loss; they're 0-2.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2010, 08:10:54 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 26, 2010, 11:03:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 26, 2010, 10:19:16 PM

Hope lost tonight.  Another one bites the dust.

Being a Calvin fan, I really hate to point this out, but that's Hope's second loss; they're 0-2.

All the better; I'm glad to have provided you the opportunity.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 27, 2010, 01:46:48 PM
Although, before you dog Hope too much, both losses were to undefeated NAIA II teams ranked in the Top 11. They were missing their best player for both games, and they were also missing their best big man for the second game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2010, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 27, 2010, 01:46:48 PM
Although, before you dog Hope too much, both losses were to undefeated NAIA II teams ranked in the Top 11. They were missing their best player for both games, and they were also missing their best big man for the second game.

Yes, but the tough early schedule and the absence of Dutch star Peter Bunn are two excellent reasons not to pick Hope in the knockout contest in the first place.

Then again, since the gentleman who picked Hope has an orange-and-white anchor logo as his d3boards.com icon and has been known in recent years to wear orange shorts in public -- long past the age when such a sartorial choice can be shrugged off as youthful folly -- it's not as though we're talking about a contestant who made a coldly calculating and objective choice. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 29, 2010, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2010, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 27, 2010, 01:46:48 PM
Although, before you dog Hope too much, both losses were to undefeated NAIA II teams ranked in the Top 11. They were missing their best player for both games, and they were also missing their best big man for the second game.

Yes, but the tough early schedule and the absence of Dutch star Peter Bunn are two excellent reasons not to pick Hope in the knockout contest in the first place.

Then again, since the gentleman who picked Hope has an orange-and-white anchor logo as his d3boards.com icon and has been known in recent years to wear orange shorts in public -- long past the age when such a sartorial choice can be shrugged off as youthful folly -- it's not as though we're talking about a contestant who made a coldly calculating and objective choice. ;)

I want to thank you for calling me a gentleman!  Picking with my heart is a flaw I continue to live with (although I did make that pick before Bunn's injury was known).  A healthy Hope team was a bit more of a realistic pick - orange shorts or no orange shorts.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2010, 11:23:13 AM

Survivor Series   Undefeated 

hugenerd                  MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                    IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                   Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                       Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point


Survivor series    Winless


hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia
Flying Dutch Fan  Alma        
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager           Rockford
Hoops Fan            Hilbert
Zander                  Earlham
augie 77                Blackburn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 01, 2010, 09:10:34 PM
Since sac wanted DePauw, I'll graciously allow it. I'll switch mine to Wabash.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2010, 10:38:03 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 01, 2010, 09:10:34 PM
Since sac wanted DePauw, I'll graciously allow it. I'll switch mine to Wabash.  ;D

You're all heart! ;D

Were you in the stands participating in the '47' chants?! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 01, 2010, 11:04:54 PM
Wabash is quite a developing story.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2010, 11:14:21 PM
Quote from: sac on December 01, 2010, 11:04:54 PM
Wabash is quite a developing story.

I'm starting to wonder if they could be the 2010 version of 2006 Lawrence?  (Not that I have a personal interest, just because IWU was the one to make Lawrence 25-1! ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 01, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
Yeah, we knew it all along!  ;D

Especially when we were picked for 4th in the NCAC and most of us said, "Yeah, that's about right..." We knew Wes Smith would be a stud, but the supporting cast needed to come through. They have!

Well now...the NCAC all of a sudden is hot and happening. They even have a 26-20 record against out-of-conference foes. Heavens to Murgatroyd! We're no longer the OAC's whipping boy!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 02, 2010, 12:05:42 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 01, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
Yeah, we knew it all along!  ;D

Especially when we were picked for 4th in the NCAC and most of us said, "Yeah, that's about right..." We knew Wes Smith would be a stud, but the supporting cast needed to come through. They have!

Well now...the NCAC all of a sudden is hot and happening. They even have a 26-20 record against out-of-conference foes. Heavens to Murgatroyd! We're no longer the OAC's whipping boy!

Heavens to Murgatroyd indeed!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 02, 2010, 01:34:41 AM
Quote from: sac on December 01, 2010, 11:04:54 PM
Wabash is quite a developing story.

I live right off of Wabash.  There's a dangerous uncontrolled intersection.  If an accident happens at the intersection of Wabash and 63rd, it will be a story here in Brown Deer, WI.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2010, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 02, 2010, 12:05:42 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 01, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
Yeah, we knew it all along!  ;D

Especially when we were picked for 4th in the NCAC and most of us said, "Yeah, that's about right..." We knew Wes Smith would be a stud, but the supporting cast needed to come through. They have!

Well now...the NCAC all of a sudden is hot and happening. They even have a 26-20 record against out-of-conference foes. Heavens to Murgatroyd! We're no longer the OAC's whipping boy!

Heavens to Murgatroyd indeed!

If "OMG" is "Oh my g_d", is "Heavens to Murgatroyd,Lady" "html"?   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 03, 2010, 01:03:45 AM
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2010, 08:42:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2010, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 02, 2010, 12:05:42 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 01, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
Yeah, we knew it all along!

Especially when we were picked for 4th in the NCAC and most of us said, "Yeah, that's about right..." We knew Wes Smith would be a stud, but the supporting cast needed to come through. They have!

Well now...the NCAC all of a sudden is hot and happening. They even have a 26-20 record against out-of-conference foes. Heavens to Murgatroyd! We're no longer the OAC's whipping boy!

Heavens to Murgatroyd indeed!

If "OMG" is "Oh my g_d", is "Heavens to Murgatroyd,Lady" "html"?  

Early front runner for post of the year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: scout on December 03, 2010, 10:00:38 AM
Well, my unbeaten pick faces it's biggest challenge of the semester...

Eastern Mennonite v Randolph-Macon

If they get past this one, I think I've got a chance...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
River Falls tops Stevens Point 73-60.  That's why us Pointer fans never pick them in the survivor pool!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 07:30:27 PM
Caltech Wins!

(Over a non-D3)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2010, 10:59:36 PM
It's "Carnage Saturday" in the contest! :o

#1 UWSP (augie77), #2 IWU (Mr. Ypsi), and #3 EMU (scout) all fall.  Meanwhile, Caltech (magicman) wins.  (Did I miss any other losers or winners?)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 04, 2010, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 07:30:27 PM
Caltech Wins!

(Over a non-D3)

Hey, any win is a good win! And now Caltech will be tracked in the 'winless vs. D-3' and not the 'winless' portion of this board. Progress!

I looked up American Sports University. http://www.americansportsuniversity.com/

One of their logos said:

"American Sports University - In the city of San Bernardino."

And you know, for a University that is teaching sports management, their athletics web site is pretty pitiful. If you want gear, "the online shop is closed." I mean, yeesh, practice what yas preach.

I don't know if San Berdoo is a drawing card or not?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nwhoops1903 on December 04, 2010, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2010, 03:27:44 AM
Instincts, shminsincts. If I had stopped to think for a moment and had remembered that Carthage had Whitworth on the docket, I never would've picked the Pirates. That's much too risky a game this early in the season to accept in a team you're considering for a "knockout" contest.
I would be happy to accept your selection as my own.  It certainly would have been the Pirates :P

Whitworth leads Linfield 39-14 at half. No drama here.

Whitworth looks to be about to pick up their 22nd straight NWC victory.  This weekend was picked to be there most difficult road trip (on paper) in Conference this season to many NWC observers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2010, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 07:30:27 PM
Caltech Wins!

(Over a non-D3)

Hey, any win is a good win! And now Caltech will be tracked in the 'winless vs. D-3' and not the 'winless' portion of this board. Progress!

I looked up American Sports University. http://www.americansportsuniversity.com/

One of their logos said:

"American Sports University - In the city of San Bernardino."

And you know, for a University that is teaching sports management, their athletics web site is pretty pitiful. If you want gear, "the online shop is closed." I mean, yeesh, practice what yas preach.

I don't know if San Berdoo is a drawing card or not?


I also went to their website because I was pretty sure I had checked it out last year. I had and I still find it hard to believe that's it's a real college. I feel like Caltech won a pickup game. You can't even pull up a basketball page to check out a schedule or results or roster. I was hoping Caltech would break their dry spell against a REAL college when they met Eastern Nazarene next Sunday. Well I guess now it's possible that the Beavers could have a winning streak. 8-) When was the last time they won 2 in a row? ??? Oxy Bob would know the answer to that question. I'm thinking it's been at least 5 to 10 years.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2010, 09:48:42 PM
Survivor Series   Undefeated 

hugenerd                  MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                    IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                   Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                       Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point


Survivor series    Winless


hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia
Flying Dutch Fan  Alma        
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager           Rockford
Hoops Fan            Hilbert
Zander                  Earlham
augie 77                Blackburn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2010, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2010, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 07:30:27 PM
Caltech Wins!

(Over a non-D3)

Hey, any win is a good win! And now Caltech will be tracked in the 'winless vs. D-3' and not the 'winless' portion of this board. Progress!

I looked up American Sports University. http://www.americansportsuniversity.com/

One of their logos said:

"American Sports University - In the city of San Bernardino."

And you know, for a University that is teaching sports management, their athletics web site is pretty pitiful. If you want gear, "the online shop is closed." I mean, yeesh, practice what yas preach.

I don't know if San Berdoo is a drawing card or not?


I also went to their website because I was pretty sure I had checked it out last year. I had and I still find it hard to believe that's it's a real college. I feel like Caltech won a pickup game. You can't even pull up a basketball page to check out a schedule or results or roster. I was hoping Caltech would break their dry spell against a REAL college when they met Eastern Nazarene next Sunday. Well I guess now it's possible that the Beavers could have a winning streak. 8-) When was the last time they won 2 in a row? ??? Oxy Bob would know the answer to that question. I'm thinking it's been at least 5 to 10 years.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves with respect to Eastern Nazarene.  They are 4-4 this year. with 3 of their losses being by 7 points or less.  They are much improved on previous years.  I hope Caltech wins, but it will be a tough game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2010, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 05, 2010, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2010, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 07:30:27 PM
Caltech Wins!

(Over a non-D3)

Hey, any win is a good win! And now Caltech will be tracked in the 'winless vs. D-3' and not the 'winless' portion of this board. Progress!

I looked up American Sports University. http://www.americansportsuniversity.com/

One of their logos said:

"American Sports University - In the city of San Bernardino."

And you know, for a University that is teaching sports management, their athletics web site is pretty pitiful. If you want gear, "the online shop is closed." I mean, yeesh, practice what yas preach.

I don't know if San Berdoo is a drawing card or not?


I also went to their website because I was pretty sure I had checked it out last year. I had and I still find it hard to believe that's it's a real college. I feel like Caltech won a pickup game. You can't even pull up a basketball page to check out a schedule or results or roster. I was hoping Caltech would break their dry spell against a REAL college when they met Eastern Nazarene next Sunday. Well I guess now it's possible that the Beavers could have a winning streak. 8-) When was the last time they won 2 in a row? ??? Oxy Bob would know the answer to that question. I'm thinking it's been at least 5 to 10 years.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves with respect to Eastern Nazarene.  They are 4-4 this year. with 3 of their losses being by 7 points or less.  They are much improved on previous years.  I hope Caltech wins, but it will be a tough game.

Yeah, they're much improved, although I think Caltech gets bad rap because of how few awful teams they play each year.

Still, I suspect that taking a bunch of New England boys to SoCal in December is going to hurt the focus they bring to the basketball court.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 06, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 06, 2010, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 05, 2010, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2010, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 07:30:27 PM
Caltech Wins!

(Over a non-D3)

Hey, any win is a good win! And now Caltech will be tracked in the 'winless vs. D-3' and not the 'winless' portion of this board. Progress!

I looked up American Sports University. http://www.americansportsuniversity.com/

One of their logos said:

"American Sports University - In the city of San Bernardino."

And you know, for a University that is teaching sports management, their athletics web site is pretty pitiful. If you want gear, "the online shop is closed." I mean, yeesh, practice what yas preach.

I don't know if San Berdoo is a drawing card or not?


I also went to their website because I was pretty sure I had checked it out last year. I had and I still find it hard to believe that's it's a real college. I feel like Caltech won a pickup game. You can't even pull up a basketball page to check out a schedule or results or roster. I was hoping Caltech would break their dry spell against a REAL college when they met Eastern Nazarene next Sunday. Well I guess now it's possible that the Beavers could have a winning streak. 8-) When was the last time they won 2 in a row? ??? Oxy Bob would know the answer to that question. I'm thinking it's been at least 5 to 10 years.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves with respect to Eastern Nazarene.  They are 4-4 this year. with 3 of their losses being by 7 points or less.  They are much improved on previous years.  I hope Caltech wins, but it will be a tough game.

Yeah, they're much improved, although I think Caltech gets bad rap because of how few awful teams they play each year.

Still, I suspect that taking a bunch of New England boys to SoCal in December is going to hurt the focus they bring to the basketball court.

Well, they could drop them in "Beautiful Downtown Burbank..."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2010, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 06, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 06, 2010, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 05, 2010, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2010, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 07:30:27 PM
Caltech Wins!

(Over a non-D3)

Hey, any win is a good win! And now Caltech will be tracked in the 'winless vs. D-3' and not the 'winless' portion of this board. Progress!

I looked up American Sports University. http://www.americansportsuniversity.com/

One of their logos said:

"American Sports University - In the city of San Bernardino."

And you know, for a University that is teaching sports management, their athletics web site is pretty pitiful. If you want gear, "the online shop is closed." I mean, yeesh, practice what yas preach.

I don't know if San Berdoo is a drawing card or not?


I also went to their website because I was pretty sure I had checked it out last year. I had and I still find it hard to believe that's it's a real college. I feel like Caltech won a pickup game. You can't even pull up a basketball page to check out a schedule or results or roster. I was hoping Caltech would break their dry spell against a REAL college when they met Eastern Nazarene next Sunday. Well I guess now it's possible that the Beavers could have a winning streak. 8-) When was the last time they won 2 in a row? ??? Oxy Bob would know the answer to that question. I'm thinking it's been at least 5 to 10 years.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves with respect to Eastern Nazarene.  They are 4-4 this year. with 3 of their losses being by 7 points or less.  They are much improved on previous years.  I hope Caltech wins, but it will be a tough game.

Yeah, they're much improved, although I think Caltech gets bad rap because of how few awful teams they play each year.

Still, I suspect that taking a bunch of New England boys to SoCal in December is going to hurt the focus they bring to the basketball court.

Well, they could drop them in "Beautiful Downtown Burbank..."

... at the Slauson Cutoff ...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 06, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
We'll be back to our movie, "ABBOTT AND COSTELLO VISIT A LEPER COLONY", with Marty Allen, Allen Dale, Dale Carnegie, and Erecto the Wonder Eel!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2010, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
When was the last time they won 2 in a row?

The last time Caltech won 2 games in a season was in 2001-2002 when they beat Cooper Union and LIFE Bible. I do not know when CIT last won 2 straight. You might have to go back to 1992-1993 or thereabouts when Caltech won 8 games in a season.

Here's the write-up of CIT's win from the Caltech web site:

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20101204mujh6h

I plan on being at the Eastern Nazarene game.

OxyBob

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2010, 08:17:48 PM

Green Mountain watch:

They lost the third game of the season 23-70 to New England College.  NEC played the end of their bench most of the game.  GMC did manage only 16 turnovers, with five guys playing 40 minutes each, that's kinda impressive.

I hope these guys get some wider recognition if they go the whole year without a sub.  That's a feat of determination.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2010, 07:45:14 AM
With Green Mountain, Wonder what happened to the guys on last year's team?  Anyone who played appreciable minutes last year is not on the roster this year....  all seniors?  transfers, other situations?
AND Kenneth williams , the current roster player who had some exprerience last year (playing in 7 games), is the one player on the roster who hasn't played this year... assumedly out with injury.  Their current ironman 5 had a total of 15 minutes of action last season, all in the person of Daniel Kimatarale.   They actually were reasonably competitive in most games last year with their 9-17 record.. for instance, they lost at Rochester by only 9!!!!!  Same Coach too... something either went dreadfully wrong, or they lost a boat load of decent seniors.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2010, 08:52:37 AM

Green Mountain had two transfers come in last year from scholarship schools.  From what I hear, they were only there to play ball and were talented, but not really a part of the school.

They did lose both those guys along with four (I think) seniors.

They've got six guys on the roster, but one is apparently injured.

I'm rooting for 40 minutes a piece for the whole season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2010, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 08:52:37 AM

Green Mountain had two transfers come in last year from scholarship schools.  From what I hear, they were only there to play ball and were talented, but not really a part of the school.

They did lose both those guys along with four (I think) seniors.

They've got six guys on the roster, but one is apparently injured.

I'm rooting for 40 minutes a piece for the whole season.

Going all the way to BFE, Vermont to a granola, peacenik school to play ball, without a scholarship? Must have loved to hoop!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2010, 12:10:28 PM
It's getting to that time of year where it would be interesting to see who is left undefeated and winless....   any of you database guys with easy access care to help us out with a beginning list?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: scout on December 08, 2010, 12:55:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 08:52:37 AM

Green Mountain had two transfers come in last year from scholarship schools.  From what I hear, they were only there to play ball and were talented, but not really a part of the school.

They did lose both those guys along with four (I think) seniors.

They've got six guys on the roster, but one is apparently injured.

I'm rooting for 40 minutes a piece for the whole season.

Anyone have Bob Ley's contact info to get this story on Outside the Lines?

Or at least E:60?

Not sure something like this has been done before... even for half a season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2010, 01:53:11 PM
One more interesting thing to follow... no one has fouled out yet... the 5 that started each game all played complete games!!!!

This room does tend to make folk heros out of kids who are enduring tough seasons like Green mountain is... we've had some fun with schools like Maine Presque Isle, Bard, and Cal Tech in the past....and I think most of us appreciate what these kids are going through....  I know I just get an absolute thrill when a school is able to come off the list towards the end of the season....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2010, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 08, 2010, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 08:52:37 AM

Green Mountain had two transfers come in last year from scholarship schools.  From what I hear, they were only there to play ball and were talented, but not really a part of the school.

They did lose both those guys along with four (I think) seniors.

They've got six guys on the roster, but one is apparently injured.

I'm rooting for 40 minutes a piece for the whole season.

Going all the way to BFE, Vermont to a granola, peacenik school to play ball, without a scholarship? Must have loved to hoop!

Again, I know only what I've heard, which is probably ninth-hand by this point, but I'm not sure they had many other options.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2010, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 08, 2010, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 08:52:37 AM

Green Mountain had two transfers come in last year from scholarship schools.  From what I hear, they were only there to play ball and were talented, but not really a part of the school.

They did lose both those guys along with four (I think) seniors.

They've got six guys on the roster, but one is apparently injured.

I'm rooting for 40 minutes a piece for the whole season.

Going all the way to BFE, Vermont to a granola, peacenik school to play ball, without a scholarship? Must have loved to hoop!

Again, I know only what I've heard, which is probably ninth-hand by this point, but I'm not sure they had many other options.

There's always Unity - or an NCCAA bible college - or somewhere! If Jim McMahon can last at BYU (until the day his eligibility was up, or so I hear)...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 08, 2010, 12:10:28 PM
It's getting to that time of year where it would be interesting to see who is left undefeated and winless....   any of you database guys with easy access care to help us out with a beginning list?

If I had access to the data I'd do it!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 08, 2010, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 08, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 08, 2010, 12:10:28 PM
It's getting to that time of year where it would be interesting to see who is left undefeated and winless....   any of you database guys with easy access care to help us out with a beginning list?

If I had access to the data I'd do it!

I have...

Winless:
Green Mountain
Crown
Rutgers-Camden
Martin Luther
New York City Tech
Wisconsin Lutheran
Wheaton (Mass.)
Maine-Presque Isle
Macalester
Polytechnic
DYouville
Philadelphia Bible
Penn State-Abington
Blackburn
Eureka
Lasell
Western New England
Trinity (Texas)
Bard
Keuka
LaGrange

Undefeated:
Wabash
Brandeis
Virginia Wesleyan
SUNY-Purchase
Mount St. Vincent
Williams
Wooster
Marietta
Penn State-Behrend
Catholic
Milwaukee Engineering
Middlebury
Amherst
New England College
Ferrum
Emory
St. Thomas
Whitworth
St. Olaf
Staten Island
Rutgers-Newark
New York University
St. Norbert
Augustana
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 08, 2010, 06:10:28 PM
Still early to do the winless / unbeaten vs. D-3 I think...

Thanks, Mr. Slappy!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 08, 2010, 06:38:12 PM
That list is a couple of days old probably. I'll see if I can run an update tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 08, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Here's an updated list:

Winless:
Crown
Green Mountain
Martin Luther
Macalester
Maine-Presque Isle
New York City Tech
Rutgers-Camden
Blackburn
Eureka
Penn State-Abington
Polytechnic
Trinity (Texas)
Wheaton (Mass.)
Wisconsin Lutheran
Lasell
Philadelphia Bible
Western New England
Bard
Keuka
LaGrange

Undefeated:
Virginia Wesleyan
Wabash
Brandeis
Mount St. Vincent
New England College
Williams
Amherst
Emory
St. Thomas
SUNY-Purchase
Catholic
Ferrum
Marietta
Middlebury
Milwaukee Engineering
Penn State-Behrend
Rutgers-Newark
Whitworth
Wooster
New York University
St. Norbert
Staten Island
Augustana
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2010, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 08, 2010, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 08, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 08, 2010, 12:10:28 PM
It's getting to that time of year where it would be interesting to see who is left undefeated and winless....   any of you database guys with easy access care to help us out with a beginning list?

If I had access to the data I'd do it!

I have...

Winless:
Green Mountain
Crown
Rutgers-Camden
Martin Luther
New York City Tech
Wisconsin Lutheran
Wheaton (Mass.)        :o
Maine-Presque Isle
Macalester
Polytechnic
DYouville
Philadelphia Bible
Penn State-Abington
Blackburn
Eureka
Lasell
Western New England
Trinity (Texas)      :o
Bard
Keuka
LaGrange                  :'(

Undefeated:
Wabash
Brandeis
Virginia Wesleyan
SUNY-Purchase
Mount St. Vincent
Williams
Wooster
Marietta
Penn State-Behrend
Catholic
Milwaukee Engineering
Middlebury
Amherst
New England College
Ferrum
Emory
St. Thomas
Whitworth
St. Olaf
Staten Island
Rutgers-Newark
New York University
St. Norbert
Augustana

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 09:12:06 PM
Wheaton (MA) did essentially the same thing last year.  They've last almost all their games close, and they are really underperforming.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2010, 11:32:16 PM
Catholic loses to DeSales 72-66 tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 11:40:37 PM
As did Milwaukee Engineering.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frodotwo on December 09, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
And St Norbert
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2010, 12:08:48 AM
All we needed to do was post it and the dominoes will fall.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2010, 12:30:39 AM
I was about to post that Rockford won tonite, then noticed they are 5-3!! :o

Some habits die hard (as Greg discovered); the Regents used to be a reliably good pick for winless. ;D

Break up the Regents! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2010, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 09:12:06 PM
Wheaton (MA) did essentially the same thing last year.  They've last almost all their games close, and they are really underperforming.

Yeah, but they've been losing to bad teams.  Wheaton looks really awful this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 09, 2010, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 09:12:06 PM
Wheaton (MA) did essentially the same thing last year.  They've last almost all their games close, and they are really underperforming.

Yeah, but they've been losing to bad teams.  Wheaton looks really awful this year.

I agree the results are awful. They have some decent players too.  Coppola may be the best shooting guard in the conference.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 09, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: frodotwo on December 09, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
And St Norbert

To Beloit??? Are you kidding me?!  >:(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 09, 2010, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 09:12:06 PM
Wheaton (MA) did essentially the same thing last year.  They've last almost all their games close, and they are really underperforming.

Yeah, but they've been losing to bad teams.  Wheaton looks really awful this year.

I agree the results are awful. They have some decent players too.  Coppola may be the best shooting guard in the conference.

Coppola shouldn't be the shooting guard. He should be the point guard, directing play. The shooting guard should be Gordon Willis or Vittorio Storaro.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2010, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 09, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: frodotwo on December 09, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
And St Norbert

To Beloit??? Are you kidding me?!  >:(

Why would we kid??

http://www.beloit.edu/bucs/mbasketball/?story_id=304254

It's not a short trip and it's a conference rival on the road on a weeknight, and they're sick of you being the kingpin of the conference.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 09, 2010, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 09:12:06 PM
Wheaton (MA) did essentially the same thing last year.  They've last almost all their games close, and they are really underperforming.

Yeah, but they've been losing to bad teams.  Wheaton looks really awful this year.

I agree the results are awful. They have some decent players too.  Coppola may be the best shooting guard in the conference.

Coppola shouldn't be the shooting guard. He should be the point guard, directing play. The shooting guard should be Gordon Willis or Vittorio Storaro.

Who?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2010, 09:05:02 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 09, 2010, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 08, 2010, 09:12:06 PM
Wheaton (MA) did essentially the same thing last year.  They've last almost all their games close, and they are really underperforming.

Yeah, but they've been losing to bad teams.  Wheaton looks really awful this year.

I agree the results are awful. They have some decent players too.  Coppola may be the best shooting guard in the conference.

Coppola shouldn't be the shooting guard. He should be the point guard, directing play. The shooting guard should be Gordon Willis or Vittorio Storaro.

Who?

Film nerd joke. They are cinematographers.

I was going to ask who was going to bump off Moe Green.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
I only get the math and science nerd jokes. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 10, 2010, 12:29:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Coppola shouldn't be the shooting guard. He should be the point guard, directing play. The shooting guard should be Gordon Willis or Vittorio Storaro.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftrendliest.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F06%2Fsiskel2.jpg&hash=9c5cbcdc8c1736d6e9df5c88f0d159305f232baf)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2010, 01:51:40 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
I only get the math and science nerd jokes. Sorry.

This is why I love the Liberal Arts. You can be a well rounded nerd.

For example, I got the cinematographer reference while wearing my Mental Floss T-Shirt which says:

"For Mole Problems Call 602-1023"
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2010, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 10, 2010, 12:29:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Coppola shouldn't be the shooting guard. He should be the point guard, directing play. The shooting guard should be Gordon Willis or Vittorio Storaro.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftrendliest.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F06%2Fsiskel2.jpg&hash=9c5cbcdc8c1736d6e9df5c88f0d159305f232baf)

Thanks, DC. I knew you'd get the reference.

(For the rest of you, Willis was behind the camera for Coppola's Godfather movies, while Storaro shot Apocalypse Now for Coppola.)

Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2010, 01:51:40 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
I only get the math and science nerd jokes. Sorry.

This is why I love the Liberal Arts. You can be a well rounded nerd.

For example, I got the cinematographer reference while wearing my Mental Floss T-Shirt which says:

"For Mole Problems Call 602-1023"

Just ask for Avogadro!

(I'm not that well-rounded a nerd. A physics-major friend of mine who had the t-shirt explained it to me.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 10, 2010, 03:05:49 PM
Mental Floss has some great shirts... I have one like this:


Fibonacci

As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3



My other favorite one is this:


There are 10 types of people in the world.  Those who know binary and those who don't.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2010, 03:52:20 PM
Looks like we are in need of some Ogre to keep us in our place:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_PCmBBmkUYsg%2FSrko3UJiyBI%2FAAAAAAAAAUA%2F2LkhChffjug%2Fs400%2Fnerds.jpg&hash=d881c4f9f77c7fe98b3c9510bc3e93d551a37e9b)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 11, 2010, 12:02:09 AM
Wheaton (MA) picks up their first win tonight, scratch them from the winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2010, 07:43:38 AM
Wisconsin Lutheran gets off the schneid, by beating Rockford, 73-70, scratch the Warriors off the winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2010, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 11, 2010, 12:02:09 AM
Wheaton (MA) picks up their first win tonight, scratch them from the winless.

They beat Regis pretty good as well.  It looks like Wheaton has figured themselves out.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 12, 2010, 04:27:47 PM
After losing their 1st 8 games Keuka College breaks into the win column and defeats St. Lawrence 52-51. The Saints were very accommodating as they scored only 2 pts in the last nine minutes of the game and didn't score at all in the final 6:24. Down 51-43 at that time, Keuka's Diamond Booker scored 5 of his team's next 7 pts to get them within 1 and after St. Lawrence missed their 13th shot in a row, an over the back foul sent Keuka's Putter Brown to the line with 8 seconds left. Brown made both free throws to give the Storm the lead and SLU came down with a chance to win it but turned the ball over before they could get off a final shot. Not only was it Keuka's 1st win of the year it marked the 1st victory of Keuka's new head coach, Thad Phillips' career.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2010, 08:03:06 PM

Survivor Series   Undefeated 

hugenerd                  MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                    IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                   Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                       Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point


Survivor series    Winless


hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia
Flying Dutch Fan  Alma        
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager           Rockford
Hoops Fan            Hilbert
Zander                  Earlham
augie 77                Blackburn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on December 13, 2010, 12:46:42 AM
What, nobody took Mount St. Vincent? :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 13, 2010, 10:57:13 AM
Winless:
Bard
Green Mountain
Crown
Macalester
Martin Luther
Trinity (Texas)
New York City Tech
Maine-Presque Isle
Penn State-Abington
Rutgers-Camden
Eureka
Blackburn
Philadelphia Bible
Polytechnic
Western New England
LaGrange

Undefeated
Mount St. Vincent
Williams
Amherst
St. Thomas
Wooster
Rutgers-Newark
Whitworth
Brandeis
Penn State-Behrend
Marietta
SUNY-Purchase
New York University
Emory
Augustana
Middlebury
Ferrum

(26 on the winless vs. D3 list)
(21 on the undefeated vs. D3 list)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2010, 10:06:51 PM
holy smokes Caltech 87 e naz 53
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 13, 2010, 10:06:59 PM
Not only does Caltech beat Eastern Nazarene, they beat them by more points than their other 4 losses...combined.  87-53.  That has to be some type of record for Caltech.  2 in a row.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 13, 2010, 10:08:59 PM
WOW.  Talk about a long flight home!

Congratulations to the Beavers! (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fplanetsmilies.net%2Fhappy-smiley-8769.gif&hash=aeb289e67220f3813c231bcf5c375101dc1b9252)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 13, 2010, 10:12:48 PM
AND that takes another one off the wnnless vs. d3 list. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 13, 2010, 11:20:32 PM
CalTech's Offical Press Conference (scroll down):

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20101213psgsuu
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2010, 09:47:14 AM

I keep telling you guys Caltech's futility has more to do with its geographic location than the strict admission requirements.

I'm not sure some of the rest of you really appreciate how bad some of the NE region teams are.  Eastern Nazarene is much improved this year.  Granted, the trip and the distractions that come with it are tough.  I didn't expect them to win, but I don't think Caltech deserves the poor reputation its received.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Coach C on December 14, 2010, 10:30:54 AM
David -

I don't think I would let them fly after that loss.  I think I would make them walk.

C
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 14, 2010, 11:28:42 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2010, 09:47:14 AM

I keep telling you guys Caltech's futility has more to do with its geographic location than the strict admission requirements.

I'm not sure some of the rest of you really appreciate how bad some of the NE region teams are.  Eastern Nazarene is much improved this year.  Granted, the trip and the distractions that come with it are tough.  I didn't expect them to win, but I don't think Caltech deserves the poor reputation its received.

This also opens up all kinds of chain game possibilities: Caltech beat ENU, who beat Lesley, who beat Curry, who beat Colby....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 14, 2010, 06:22:55 PM
Well, heady days (daze?) for Cal Tech, now 362 on the Massey Rating. They have 1.58 expected wins the rest of the season, so will they win a SCIAC game?

Green Mountain is last at #412 with a #411 schedule. I may re-do some power rankings if I have more spare time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2010, 12:15:38 AM
Blackburn 71  Concordia St Louis 69

eliminates Augie 77 from winless pool

Blackburn off winless list, but still on winless vs D3 list
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2010, 01:25:50 AM
So, the winless contest is now down to just KnightSlappy (Macalester) and me (Crown). :o

Alas, Crown has Finlandia and a UMAC schedule coming up; I fear I have little chance. :P  Crown is bound to slip up and win one one of these days. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 17, 2010, 08:06:24 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2010, 01:25:50 AM
So, the winless contest is now down to just KnightSlappy (Macalester) and me (Crown). :o

Alas, Crown has Finlandia and a UMAC schedule coming up; I fear I have little chance. :P  Crown is bound to slip up and win one one of these days. :D

May the worst man win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2010, 01:38:38 PM
Crown - #403 in Massey. Their SOS thus far is #97. Expected record rounds to 2-18.

Macalester - #310 in Massey. SOS thus far is #41. Expected record rounds to 2-17.

I say this is a pick 'em, if you want side bets! Macalester is better but has a really really tough schedule coming up. Massey says the game to watch is 1/22 at home vs. Bethel.

Crown's best chance is 1/29 vs. Luther.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2010, 03:24:07 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2010, 12:15:38 AM
Blackburn 71  Concordia St Louis 69

eliminates Augie 77 from winless pool

Blackburn off winless list, but still on winless vs D3 list

Poor augie77 ... knocked out of the winless pool because his choice for the ultimate Futile Five beat a team consisting of grad students. What a way to bow out!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2010, 12:52:01 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2010, 03:24:07 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2010, 12:15:38 AM
Blackburn 71  Concordia St Louis 69

eliminates Augie 77 from winless pool

Blackburn off winless list, but still on winless vs D3 list

Poor augie77 ... knocked out of the winless pool because his choice for the ultimate Futile Five beat a team consisting of grad students. What a way to bow out!

However, you can't deny that any game when Concordia Seminary matches up against the St. Louis College of Pharmacy or Logan Chiropractic is an instant classic.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 18, 2010, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2010, 12:52:01 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2010, 03:24:07 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2010, 12:15:38 AM
Blackburn 71  Concordia St Louis 69

eliminates Augie 77 from winless pool

Blackburn off winless list, but still on winless vs D3 list

Poor augie77 ... knocked out of the winless pool because his choice for the ultimate Futile Five beat a team consisting of grad students. What a way to bow out!

However, you can't deny that any game when Concordia Seminary matches up against the St. Louis College of Pharmacy or Logan Chiropractic is an instant classic.

Between St. Louis College of Pharmacy and Logan Chiropractic I wouldn't know who to root for.........My Chiropractor is very good, but they make some sweet pain killers and muscle relaxers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: breakfromcoaching on December 18, 2010, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: breakfromcoaching on November 16, 2010, 01:47:05 AM
caltech will not go winless this year now with a couple years under the belt with their system, true basketball players with significant basketball playing experience who perfectly fit the academic model and a schedule that has winable games on it.  could be wins against carengie melon at MSOE (if they meet), against southwestern (AZ) or west coast baptist in the redlands tourney or ENU, Pac Luth or Wisc Luth at home.  maybe even a win against santa cruz.  conf wise, other than oxy who looks like they have lots of good, young talent, cms who just keeps on winning and redlands who's primed for a breakout year, everyone else in their conf is beatable.  i say that lightly based on history but look at what cal lu, pomona and whittier lost and if they're going to be beat, this is the year to do it.  no vested interest other than knowing how hard the players and staff have worked in the past and how much it would mean to everyone involved with the program after enduring so many lopsided losses.  i say at least 5 wins overall (including at least 1 that breaks the conf losing streak) is a real possibility.

trying not to look ahead, but other than losing one senior, they bring back the entire core of the 2010-2011 team, and with decent 2011 class they be a team that'll be fun to follow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2010, 08:06:27 PM

Caltech on a bonafide winning streak now.  Three in a row.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 08:08:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 18, 2010, 08:06:27 PM

Caltech on a bonafide winning streak now.  Three in a row.

And they beat a team that has already beat 3 teams in their conference.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2010, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 08:08:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 18, 2010, 08:06:27 PM

Caltech on a bonafide winning streak now.  Three in a row.

And they beat a team that has already beat 3 teams in their conference.

Break Up The Beavers!!! Though they did lose to PLU today. Still, they lost to the Banana Slugs once but got 'em on the rematch!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 20, 2010, 12:29:04 PM


The Beavers had several games where they barely held off victory, so this was coming. 



Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2010, 03:24:07 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2010, 12:15:38 AM
Blackburn 71  Concordia St Louis 69

eliminates Augie 77 from winless pool

Blackburn off winless list, but still on winless vs D3 list

Poor augie77 ... knocked out of the winless pool because his choice for the ultimate Futile Five beat a team consisting of grad students. What a way to bow out!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 28, 2010, 04:27:30 PM
Undefeated
11-0
Virginia Wesleyan
Wabash
10-0
Marietta
Mount St. Vincent
9-0
Wooster
Whitworth
Williams
Amherst
Ferrum
St. Thomas
8-0
Augustana
Brandeis
7-0
Penn State-Behrend
New York University
6-0
Middlebury

Winless
0-10
Bard
0-9
Eureka
Western New England
0-8
Polytechnic
Penn State-Abington
Philadelphia Bible
Martin Luther
0-7
New York City Tech
0-6
Macalester
Crown
0-3
Green Mountain

Undefeated vs. D3
Mount St. Vincent
Wabash
Marietta
Chapman
Virginia Wesleyan
Whitworth
Amherst
Brandeis
Wooster
Williams
Ferrum
St. Thomas
Penn State-Behrend
New York University
Augustana
Middlebury

Winless vs. D3
Occidental
Willamette
Green Mountain
Blackburn
Presentation
Johnson State
Macalester
Crown
Martin Luther
Eureka
Mount Aloysius
New York City Tech
Polytechnic
Penn State-Abington
Philadelphia Bible
Maine-Presque Isle
Rutgers-Camden
Millikin
Western New England
Bard
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2011, 07:28:17 PM
If my entry in the undefeated survivor pool, Middlebury, wins tonight they've got a good chance of claiming the crown. Unfortunately since they playing my hometown Plattsburgh Cardinals, I'm hoping they lose. Was hoping to trade them to another player for his team but forgot to see if he was agreeable to a trade. Hate to root against my pick but Cardinals need the win more than I do. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2011, 07:33:41 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 04, 2011, 07:28:17 PM
If my entry in the undefeated survivor pool, Middlebury, wins tonight they've got a good chance of claiming the crown. Unfortunately since they playing my hometown Plattsburgh Cardinals, I'm hoping they lose. Was hoping to trade them to another player for his team but forgot to see if he was agreeable to a trade. Hate to root against my pick but Cardinals need the win more than I do. 

Hey, I'll trade you for IWU if you want! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2011, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2011, 07:33:41 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 04, 2011, 07:28:17 PM
If my entry in the undefeated survivor pool, Middlebury, wins tonight they've got a good chance of claiming the crown. Unfortunately since they playing my hometown Plattsburgh Cardinals, I'm hoping they lose. Was hoping to trade them to another player for his team but forgot to see if he was agreeable to a trade. Hate to root against my pick but Cardinals need the win more than I do. 

Hey, I'll trade you for IWU if you want! ;D

You wouldn't do that when you should have. :P And now Middlebury, after downing my Plattsburgh State Cardinals tonight 88-82, stands a good chance to go deep into the season undefeated. At least I got to watch a pretty good game live tonight, even if I was rooting against myself.  Middlebury's a very good team. But so isn't Plattsburgh State. We might get another crack at them if both teams make it into the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2011, 08:32:31 AM
Survivor Series   Undefeated 

hugenerd                  MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                    IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                   Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                       Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point


Survivor series    Winless


hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia
Flying Dutch Fan  Alma        
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager           Rockford
Hoops Fan            Hilbert
Zander                  Earlham
augie 77                Blackburn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on January 05, 2011, 11:34:52 PM
After returning home elated that my Knights beat Hope, I was instantly crushed to see that Macalester had defeated St. John's.

Congrats to Mr. Ypsi and the Crown Storm on this year's winless championship.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
The winless contest is now over, but we may need a ruling on whether it is winless or winless vs. d3.  Macalester upset St. John's tonite, but in researching my 'victory' I discovered that Crown beat Sioux Falls (by 35!!) on Sunday (how bad must Sioux Falls be??!! :o)

I believe our rule is winless is winless, so congratulations to KnightSlappy.  I gave you a run, but with Crown approaching Finlandia, Presentation, Martin Luther, etc., your 'win' was probably inevitable - even Crown couldn't lose to ALL those dogs! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on January 05, 2011, 11:51:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
The winless contest is now over, but we may need a ruling on whether it is winless or winless vs. d3.  Macalester upset St. John's tonite, but in researching my 'victory' I discovered that Crown beat Sioux Falls (by 35!!) on Sunday (how bad must Sioux Falls be??!! :o)

I believe our rule is winless is winless, so congratulations to KnightSlappy.  I gave you a run, but with Crown approaching Finlandia, Presentation, Martin Luther, etc., your 'win' was probably inevitable - even Crown couldn't lose to ALL those dogs! ;D

I think that Sioux Falls score is reported backwards.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2011, 11:54:41 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 05, 2011, 11:51:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
The winless contest is now over, but we may need a ruling on whether it is winless or winless vs. d3.  Macalester upset St. John's tonite, but in researching my 'victory' I discovered that Crown beat Sioux Falls (by 35!!) on Sunday (how bad must Sioux Falls be??!! :o)

I believe our rule is winless is winless, so congratulations to KnightSlappy.  I gave you a run, but with Crown approaching Finlandia, Presentation, Martin Luther, etc., your 'win' was probably inevitable - even Crown couldn't lose to ALL those dogs! ;D

I think that Sioux Falls score is reported backwards.

Indeed, Sioux Falls is 11-5:

http://www.usfcougars.com/mens-sports/basketball/schedule
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2011, 12:10:14 AM
Just checked the Crown website - indeed the score was reported backwards on d3hoops.com. 

Wahoo - I win!! ;D

With upcoming games against Finlandia (tomorrow), 1-win Presentation (next week), and winless Martin Luther, I don't think I could have kept losing much longer.  Thanks, Johnnies, for disgracing your football team! :D

If it is any consolation, Knightslappy, I suspect the final record of Macalester will be even worse than Crown's! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2011, 07:46:53 AM
Congrats to the Winner!!!!!

Now I can begin studying for next year!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
Survivor Series   Undefeated  

hugenerd                  MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                    IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                   Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                       Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point


Survivor series    Winless


hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia
Flying Dutch Fan  Alma        
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager           Rockford
Hoops Fan            Hilbert
Zander                  Earlham
augie 77                Blackburn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 06, 2011, 09:24:15 AM
Congratulations to Mr Ypsi on picking a great loser   ;D 

I can't help pointing out that my Blackburn Beavers only beat Concordia Seminary (graduate students!) by a point.  Otherwise, they are still going weak and we'd still have a contest.  How about converting this contest to "winless versus D3".  Or "winless against four year colleges".  Just kidding.

Shame on me for not having enough confidence in my Augustana Vikings to pick them in the undefeated pool :-[  On the other hand, nobody has gone undefeated in the CCIW since 1973.... This year won't be any different.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 07, 2011, 01:16:53 AM
Decided I'd update this through games of 1/6.

Undefeated
13-0
Virginia Wesleyan
Wabash
Wooster
Marietta
Williams
12-0
Augustana
11-0
Amherst
St. Thomas
Whitworth
10-0
New York University
9-0
Middlebury
Brandeis

Removed from list (3):
Penn State-Behrend, lost 12/29 to Clark
Mount St. Vincent, lost 1/4 at Farmingdale St.
Ferrum, lost 1/3 at Eastern Mennonite

Winless
0-11
Eureka
0-10
Western New England
Polytechnic
Bard
0-9
New York City Tech
0-8
Philadelphia Bible
Crown
Martin Luther
0-3
Green Mountain

Removed from list (2):
Penn State-Abington, def. Penn St.-Brandywine on 12/31
Macalester, def. St. John's on 1/5

Undefeated vs. D3
Mount St. Vincent
Wabash
Marietta
Chapman, lost 1/5 at Cal Lutheran
Virginia Wesleyan
Whitworth
Amherst
Brandeis
Wooster
Williams
Ferrum
St. Thomas
Penn State-Behrend
New York University
Augustana
Middlebury

Winless vs. D3
Occidental
Willamette
Green Mountain
Blackburn
Presentation
Johnson State
Macalester
Crown
Martin Luther
Eureka
Mount Aloysius
New York City Tech
Polytechnic
Penn State-Abington
Philadelphia Bible
Maine-Presque Isle
Rutgers-Camden, def. New Jersey on 1/5
Millikin
Western New England
Bard
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2011, 01:20:22 AM
Grand Prize in the Survivor Pool (http://www.etsy.com/listing/64357374/usb-typewriter-for-mac-or-pc-smith)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2011, 01:29:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2011, 01:20:22 AM
Grand Prize in the Survivor Pool (http://www.etsy.com/listing/64357374/usb-typewriter-for-mac-or-pc-smith)

So, Ralph, when can I expect delivery?! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 07, 2011, 03:21:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2011, 01:29:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2011, 01:20:22 AM
Grand Prize in the Survivor Pool (http://www.etsy.com/listing/64357374/usb-typewriter-for-mac-or-pc-smith)

So, Ralph, when can I expect delivery?! :D

Mr. Ypsi,
Why do you think you have won the grand prize? ??? I'm pretty sure that it goes to the winner of the Undefeated Survivor Pool not the winner of the Winless Pool. ;D
Of course since Ralph is providing the prize he gets to pick which winner wins it. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2011, 08:59:41 AM

There are really people out there who would pay $800 for a gimmick?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 07, 2011, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2011, 08:59:41 AM

There are really people out there who would pay $800 for a gimmick?

Even though the Sharper Image is no more, yes, there is still a market for goofy, expensive crap.

Could I interest you in a Bowflex with some Shake Weights and a Ginsu knife?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 07, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2011, 08:59:41 AM

There are really people out there who would pay $800 for a gimmick?

Some might say there was a University that paid 2.5 million to get rid of a gimmick recently.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 07, 2011, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: sac on January 07, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2011, 08:59:41 AM

There are really people out there who would pay $800 for a gimmick?

Some might say there was a University that paid 2.5 million to get rid of a gimmick recently.
If that University had instead invested in a USB Typewriter, today they could at least spell D-E-F-E-N-S-E.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2011, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 07, 2011, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2011, 08:59:41 AM

There are really people out there who would pay $800 for a gimmick?

Even though the Sharper Image is no more, yes, there is still a market for goofy, expensive crap.

Could I interest you in a Bowflex with some Shake Weights and a Ginsu knife?

It slices ... it dices ... it even makes julienne fries!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 07, 2011, 10:30:57 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2011, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 07, 2011, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2011, 08:59:41 AM

There are really people out there who would pay $800 for a gimmick?

Even though the Sharper Image is no more, yes, there is still a market for goofy, expensive crap.

Could I interest you in a Bowflex with some Shake Weights and a Ginsu knife?

It slices ... it dices ... it even makes julienne fries!

Operators are standing...BYE!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
And nescac1 one bites the dust along with Williams. :(  (Though losing in OT AT Amherst is certainly giving it a great try!)

Hoops Fan barely survives a furious late-game rally by Wabash (the LGs closed out the game on an 11-0 run, falling just short of catching Woo - if there is any validity ever to that old cry "we didn't lose, we just ran out of time", this game would be exhibit A)!  But I guess it still counts for HF - after all, we call it the Survivor Pool. :P

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 08, 2011, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
And nescac1 one bites the dust along with Williams. :(  (Though losing in OT AT Amherst is certainly giving it a great try!)

Hoops Fan barely survives a furious late-game rally by Wabash (the LGs closed out the game on an 11-0 run, falling just short of catching Woo - if there is any validity ever to that old cry "we didn't lose, we just ran out of time", this game would be exhibit A)!  But I guess it still counts for HF - after all, we call it the Survivor Pool. :P



And Point Special's looking pretty good!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 08, 2011, 10:57:33 PM
This is not pertinent to this board any longer, unless you consider winless in conference, but Caltech is up by 5 on Pomona Pitzer at halftime.  Could be their first conference win since the 80s and in ~300 games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
Alas, Caltech couldn't hold on, losing 47-41.  But I think the streak WILL end this season. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 09, 2011, 04:51:11 PM
Cal Tech's playing defense!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2011, 05:47:18 PM

Survivor Series   Undefeated  

hugenerd                  MIT
Hoops Fan               Wooster
Ralph Turner            UT-Dallas
Mr Ypsi                    IWU
KnightSlappy            Depauw
Ethelred                   Plattsburgh State
Flying Dutch Fan       Hope
hopefan                   Carthage
magicman                 Middlebury
nescac1                   Williams
PointSpecial              Amherst            
Old School                St. Norbert
scout                       Eastern Mennonite
smedindy                  St. Thomas
Greg Sager               Whitworth
augie 77                   UW-Stevens Point


Survivor series    Winless


hopefan              Principia
Mr. Ypsi              Crown
KnightSlappy        Macalester
magicman            Caltech
Ethelred              Cazenovia
Flying Dutch Fan  Alma        
smedindy              John Jay
Greg Sager           Rockford
Hoops Fan            Hilbert
Zander                  Earlham
augie 77                Blackburn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2011, 06:58:08 PM
Green Mountain College now has more than five players on their team as they had some transfers and some freshmen suit up for the 2nd semester. Here's the article:

http://athletics.greenmtn.edu/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/vtcpreview_010811

They still lost their 1st game of the semester with the new additions to NAIA Vermont Technical College today, 97-63, but at least the 5 starters didn't have to play the entire game. They got 48 minutes and 6 points from the bench.
I think their best chance for a win might be January 30th when they host NAIA II Paul Smith. There is a chance they could knock off visiting Lyndon State (1-9) on Jan. 18th, but I can see them going winless against D3. On February 1st they travel to #6 Middlebury. That one could be real ugly.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
Even though I won with Crown this year, I think I am already putting in a claim on Green Mountain for next year! ;D  (We all overlooked them this time, but I have great confidence they could make Crown, Macalester, UMPI, etc., look like top 25 teams! ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2011, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
Even though I won with Crown this year, I think I am already putting in a claim on Green Mountain for next year! ;D  (We all overlooked them this time, but I have great confidence they could make Crown, Macalester, UMPI, etc., look like top 25 teams! ;))

It sounds to me like you're trying to hedge. ??? :o  What's it going to be? Either you are or you ain't. :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 08:22:33 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 09, 2011, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
Even though I won with Crown this year, I think I am already putting in a claim on Green Mountain for next year! ;D  (We all overlooked them this time, but I have great confidence they could make Crown, Macalester, UMPI, etc., look like top 25 teams! ;))

It sounds to me like you're trying to hedge. ??? :o  What's it going to be? Either you are or you ain't. :-\

A bit early for the selection, don't you think?  I'm not even sure it would be allowed by 'management'! :D

THIS year they are my most confident pick to go winless. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2011, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 08:22:33 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 09, 2011, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
Even though I won with Crown this year, I think I am already putting in a claim on Green Mountain for next year! ;D  (We all overlooked them this time, but I have great confidence they could make Crown, Macalester, UMPI, etc., look like top 25 teams! ;))

It sounds to me like you're trying to hedge. ??? :o  What's it going to be? Either you are or you ain't. :-\

A bit early for the selection, don't you think?  I'm not even sure it would be allowed by 'management'! :D

THIS year they are my most confident pick to go winless. ;)
If you want 'em, you can call 'em now.   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 10:31:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2011, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 08:22:33 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 09, 2011, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
Even though I won with Crown this year, I think I am already putting in a claim on Green Mountain for next year! ;D  (We all overlooked them this time, but I have great confidence they could make Crown, Macalester, UMPI, etc., look like top 25 teams! ;))

It sounds to me like you're trying to hedge. ??? :o  What's it going to be? Either you are or you ain't. :-\

A bit early for the selection, don't you think?  I'm not even sure it would be allowed by 'management'! :D

THIS year they are my most confident pick to go winless. ;)
If you want 'em, you can call 'em now.   ;)

Hey, for all I know Kobe, LeBron, and Shaq are all sending BIGGER 'little' brothers to Green Mountain next year! ;D

But, OK, unless rescinded before the contest starts next year, I've got Green Mountain. :D  (THIS year I bet they beat my Crown! 8-))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: buck1053 on January 15, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
New poster to this section, being an upstate New Yorker I follow the Liberty League and E8, but an avid reader. I was checking out this week's Around the Nation column and it looks like the Green Mountain discussion caught their attention. Here's a link, it's about halfway down.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2010-11/jan14-breaking-new-ground
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 15, 2011, 07:11:16 PM
Green Mountain's coach just got a lost of respect from me - he knew he'd have a short roster yet did not ask those players back for not meeting expectations.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: buck1053 on January 15, 2011, 08:06:39 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 15, 2011, 07:11:16 PM
Green Mountain's coach just got a lost of respect from me - he knew he'd have a short roster yet did not ask those players back for not meeting expectations.

Yeah, I think it says a lot. It's rare these days for a coach to take a stand like that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Quote from: buck1053 on January 15, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
New poster to this section, being an upstate New Yorker I follow the Liberty League and E8, but an avid reader. I was checking out this week's Around the Nation column and it looks like the Green Mountain discussion caught their attention. Here's a link, it's about halfway down.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2010-11/jan14-breaking-new-ground

Well, I guess ATN doesn't read this board.  We've been on it since the beginning.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2011, 09:07:41 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Quote from: buck1053 on January 15, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
New poster to this section, being an upstate New Yorker I follow the Liberty League and E8, but an avid reader. I was checking out this week's Around the Nation column and it looks like the Green Mountain discussion caught their attention. Here's a link, it's about halfway down.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2010-11/jan14-breaking-new-ground

Well, I guess ATN doesn't read this board.  We've been on it since the beginning.
Or, it was the postings on this board that brought Green Mountain's story to the attention of the editors such that it was worthy of a feature piece on the "premier" news/analysis focus of D3Hoops.com, an ATN column
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2011, 10:49:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2011, 09:07:41 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Quote from: buck1053 on January 15, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
New poster to this section, being an upstate New Yorker I follow the Liberty League and E8, but an avid reader. I was checking out this week's Around the Nation column and it looks like the Green Mountain discussion caught their attention. Here's a link, it's about halfway down.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2010-11/jan14-breaking-new-ground

Well, I guess ATN doesn't read this board.  We've been on it since the beginning.
Or, it was the postings on this board that brought Green Mountain's story to the attention of the editors such that it was worthy of a feature piece on the "premier" news/analysis focus of D3Hoops.com, an ATN column


Ralph,
According to Mr. Fitzsimmons he got the idea for the article about Green Mountain from this source and I quote him from the article:

"Giving a quick shout out to Tim Meyer (Wooster '78) for putting me on to the situation at Green Mountain." 

So it looks like Hoops Fan was right. He didn't read our board. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 18, 2011, 01:22:34 AM
And the Tommies are done.  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 18, 2011, 05:07:25 AM
Survivor Series   Undefeated

And we arrive at the Final Four
 
Hoops Fan                Wooster

magicman                 Middlebury

PointSpecial              Amherst   
         
Greg Sager               Whitworth

Who will be the next to fall?

Looking at the schedules Middlebury has the toughest upcoming matchup as they go on the road to face #6 Williams on January 29th. With a healthy Troy Whittington back for the Ephs, there's a good chance their run comes to an end.

Wooster faces Wittenberg on January 22nd but the Scots have home court advantage for the 1st go around with the Tigers. Still the possibility of an upset does exist when these 2 get together. The big rematch with Wabash takes place in Wooster on Feb. 5th and the rematch at Witt is Feb. 12th.

Amherst (and PointSpecial) lucked out when the big game last week against Williams took place without the Ephs' Whittington, and the Lord Jeffs escaped Williamstown with an overtime victory.With Whittington, I think Williams wins that game and nescac1 would be here in the final four instead of PointSpecial. Amherst could and should win their next 7 games but they end the regular season with games at home against Brandeis on Feb. 8th followed by back to back road games against Middlebury and Williams. Don't see them going undefeated but they may well be the last team standing. Until those 3 tough ones only a home game against an 11-2 Bowdoin team on Jan. 29th and a road game at 9-5 Rhode Island on Feb.1st might upset a PointSpecial coronation.

For choosing a team with about 2 seconds of thought, Greg has managed to not only reach the final four, but I believe, is now the favorite to win it all. I don't think any team in the country has ran through their conference opponents as handily as the Pirates have. Their average margin of victory in their 15-0 unbeaten run is 20.7 points. No out of conference opponent has come within single digits and only 1 team all year, Puget Sound, who lost 72-65, has managed to stay with 10 points of Whitworth. In conference play their average MOV is 21.6. Currently sporting a 6-0 conference record the only 2 teams the Pirates have yet to play are 3-12 Pacific and 10-5 Whitman. After the way they've handled the rest of the league I don't think these 2 teams will pose a threat. Their biggest obstacle to running the table will probably be a home game with  Lewis and Clark on Jan. 29th. The Pioneers right now look to be the 2nd best team in the conference and are starting to get some backing in the Top 25 poll as they have moved into the #30 spot. The Pirates beat L&C on the road last month 77-60. Whitworth follows that game with back to back road games against Puget Sound and Pac Lutheran on the first weekend in February. Pacific Lutheran did play St Thomas tough back on 11-19, only losing to the Tommies 73-70, so anything is possible and Puget Sound as mentioned above gave the Pirates their toughest game of the year. But somehow when it's all said and done, I think we'll be wrapping the robe around Mr. Sager while handing him his scepter and crown. It may end up being the best extemporaneous pick he ever made. :D ;D


Of course there is always the possibility that the race won't be over until the NCAA tournament is under way. We conceivably could end up with 3 undefeated teams at the end of the regular season with Wooster, Whitworth. and the winner of the Amherst-Middlebury game.  8-)     

   



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2011, 11:35:53 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 18, 2011, 05:07:25 AM
Survivor Series   Undefeated

And we arrive at the Final Four
 
Hoops Fan                Wooster

magicman                 Middlebury

PointSpecial              Amherst   
         
Greg Sager               Whitworth

...
Yeah, that looks plausible.  I am trying to figure out how to get Middlebury and Amherst sufficently separated so as not to meet until the Final Four in Salem.  Whitworth and Wooster are plausible for the other 2 slots.   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 18, 2011, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2011, 11:35:53 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 18, 2011, 05:07:25 AM
Survivor Series   Undefeated

And we arrive at the Final Four
 
Hoops Fan                Wooster

magicman                 Middlebury

PointSpecial              Amherst   
         
Greg Sager               Whitworth

...
Yeah, that looks plausible.  I am trying to figure out how to get Middlebury and Amherst sufficently separated so as not to meet until the Final Four in Salem.  Whitworth and Wooster are plausible for the other 2 slots.   ;)

Ralph,
With Williams, Amherst and Middlebury all coming out of NESCAC, and with the East, and Atlantic regions being so weak, I think you can send a pool c team, either Amherst or Mid over to the Atlantic region. Let's say Amherst goes to the Atlantic where they can beat a Mid Atlantic or an ODAC team to get to Salem. Meanwhile Middlebury advances through the Northeast and East to get to Salem. :D






Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2011, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 18, 2011, 05:07:25 AMFor choosing a team with about 2 seconds of thought, Greg has managed to not only reach the final four, but I believe, is now the favorite to win it all. I don't think any team in the country has ran through their conference opponents as handily as the Pirates have. Their average margin of victory in their 15-0 unbeaten run is 20.7 points. No out of conference opponent has come within single digits and only 1 team all year, Puget Sound, who lost 72-65, has managed to stay with 10 points of Whitworth. In conference play their average MOV is 21.6. Currently sporting a 6-0 conference record the only 2 teams the Pirates have yet to play are 3-12 Pacific and 10-5 Whitman. After the way they've handled the rest of the league I don't think these 2 teams will pose a threat. Their biggest obstacle to running the table will probably be a home game with  Lewis and Clark on Jan. 29th. The Pioneers right now look to be the 2nd best team in the conference and are starting to get some backing in the Top 25 poll as they have moved into the #30 spot. The Pirates beat L&C on the road last month 77-60. Whitworth follows that game with back to back road games against Puget Sound and Pac Lutheran on the first weekend in February. Pacific Lutheran did play St Thomas tough back on 11-19, only losing to the Tommies 73-70, so anything is possible and Puget Sound as mentioned above gave the Pirates their toughest game of the year. But somehow when it's all said and done, I think we'll be wrapping the robe around Mr. Sager while handing him his scepter and crown. It may end up being the best extemporaneous pick he ever made. :D ;D

Let that be a lesson for all you kids at home: Don't think too hard about anything, and always go with the first impulse that pops into your head.

Oh, and stay in school and don't do drugs.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2011, 07:44:48 AM
Where do we stand now with the undefeated and winless...???

incidentally, I haven't seen any mention of our old favorites, UMPI, (Maine Presque Isle), so checked out their site....  they have 2 wins this year, one against E. Maine JC that is not recognized on these pages, and one vs Maine Augusta...

not surprisingly, Maine Augusta's only win over a 4 year school is vs old favorite Unity

Unity's only win is a 40 point win over NORTHERN Maine community college....  now there is a program that probably could use some help!!!!  (Northern Maine CC is located, you guessed it, in Presque Isle)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 24, 2011, 08:13:53 PM
Someone's Gotta Do This, And I'm That Someone! Since it's been a while I'll just list who is undefeated and winless still and not the changes. Corrections helpful, of course.


Undefeated:

Wooster (18-0)
Augustana (17-0)
Amherst (16-0)
Whitworth (17-0)
Middlebury (15-0)


Winless:

Polytechnic (0-16)
Philadelphia Bible (0-13)
Green Mountain (0-8)


Undefeated vs. D3 - See Undefeated. No special cases.


Winless vs. D3:

Eureka (1-15, win vs. Lincoln Christian)
Johnson State (3-10, wins vs. St. Joseph's (VT), SUNY-Canton, Maine-Augusta)
Maine-Presque Isle (3-11, wins vs. Maine-Augusta, SUNY-Canton, Fisher)
Millikin (1-15, win vs. Robert Morris - Springfield)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 24, 2011, 11:15:30 PM
And now, let's prognosticate. The Massey Rating chance for perfection (or lack of it) is in parenthesis.

Wooster (37.01%) - That's a little low. They have Wabash, but at home, and their only real tough road game is at Wittenberg. I don't think anyone else can come close, though Hiram can give them issues. There's some bad blood between them.

Augie (15.84%) - They close with four straight road games, and two of them are at IWU and at Wheaton. They'll lose one.

Amherst (14.59%) - They play at Middlebury and at Williams the last two games of the season. Unbeaten until then, they could lose two straight.

Whitworth (79.75%) - Top ranked Massey team's toughest opponent is at home (Lewis & Clark). Their toughest road games are at PLU and at Whitman. I bet they have a clean slate until tourney time.

Middlebury (7.68%) - They play at Williams 1/29. That's a tough one. The next game after Williams they play Green Mountain. Ying...meet yang!

+++++++

As for the winless, Massey can project wins the rest of the season:

Polytechnic (0.94) - They play Bard. Probably their only shot unless they knock Yeshiva off on the road.

Philly Bible (0.29) - Massey says that they have only a 7% chance to beat Immaculata, a 6% chance to beat Baptist Bible and a 6% chance to beat Marywood. That's as high as they get. Probably an o-fer.

Green Mountain (0.24) - Massey says they have a 16% chance to beat Paul Smith. Otherwise, it's 3% chance or less.

Eureka (2.11) - Good chances to beat Blackburn and Fontbonne. 1 in 3 chance to nip Principia on the road.

Johnson State (4.25) - They play Green Mountain twice. QED.

UMPI (1.83) - Only Skyline conference games left, so no D-3 chances.

Millikin (0.27) - They have a 10% chance to beat Elmhurst at home. They're in the wrong league to try to escape the winless vs. D-3 list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2011, 04:33:31 PM

Middlebury goes down.  We're at three.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 29, 2011, 04:39:19 PM
As I expected Williams removed me from the undefeated list as they beat the Middlebury Panthers today 69-64. I think that Middlebury wins if they have their top gun Ryan Sharry but that's how Williams lost their only game as well.  Amherst won't beat both Williams and Middlebury on that final weekend of the regular NESCAC season. In fact I think they lose both games and Williams will end up as the regular season champs. Middlebury takes 2nd and Amherst comes in 3rd. Greg or Hoops Fan will battle it out, but as I stated earlier my money's on Greg.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 29, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
But, where have the touts and bookies in NESCAC-land put the line on the Middlebury / Green Mountain game?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 29, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
But, where have the touts and bookies in NESCAC-land put the line on the Middlebury / Green Mountain game?

My guess is that Coach Brown will go to his bench early and often, but his end of the bench players are going to be too tough for the Eagles. Middlebury hasn't hit the century mark all year and they've certainly played a few teams where that was possible. Coach Brown has always been a classy guy and doesn't like to rub it in. That being said it'll be hard to stop eager reserves from wanting to score. He'll make them run though their sets, use the clock, take a little air out of the ball, and they'll finish right around the century mark. I'm thinking 98-48 final.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 29, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 29, 2011, 04:33:31 PM

Middlebury goes down.  We're at three.


I'm no math wiz, but I count 4  ;)

Undefeated:

Wooster (19-0)
Augustana (19-0)
Amherst (18-0)
Whitworth (18-0)
Middlebury (15-0)


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 29, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
I think he means that there's three people alive in the survivor contest, as I don't believe that anyone chose Augie.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 29, 2011, 11:21:23 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 29, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
I think he means that there's three people alive in the survivor contest, as I don't believe that anyone chose Augie.

Ah, well that makes sense and only validates the not being a wiz
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2011, 04:24:12 PM

We're down to two.  I'm out, sadly.  I blame the refs.

On the bright side, though, I will no longer feel like a traitor for voting Whitworth #1 on my poster's poll ballot.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 06, 2011, 05:49:29 PM
The refs? Not even the Wooster faithful are blaming the refs.

Blame Kenyon. Everyone was focused on the Witt / Kenyon kerfuffle and Wabash snuck in and won.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 06, 2011, 11:45:29 PM
Once more, with feeling.

Undefeated:

Amherst (20-0)
Whitworth (21-0)

Winless:

Polytechnic (0-20)
Philadelphia Bible (0-19)
Green Mountain (0-14)


Undefeated vs. D3 - See Undefeated. No special cases.

Winless vs. D3:

Maine-Presque Isle (5-13, wins vs. Maine-Augusta, SUNY-Canton, Fisher, Maine-Ft. Kent, St. Joseph's (VT))
Millikin (1-18, win vs. Robert Morris - Springfield)

As we all know, Wooster, Middlebury and Augie left the undefeated list since our last update.

Eureka! They have found success! The Red Devils beat Fontbonne yesterday 84-76!

Johnson State also had two wins since our last check-in: against Green Mountain 78-40 then Maine-Maritime yesterday 68-66.

Break up the Owls! Five wins this year!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on February 11, 2011, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2011, 11:45:29 PM
Once more, with feeling.

Undefeated:

Amherst (20-0)
Whitworth (21-0)

And then there was one.  Congrats Greg!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2011, 10:00:43 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

Though not in the contest.  I won with Crown a month ago! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

... which amuses me to no end, since -- as I've stated before -- I don't think I thought more than a few seconds about it before I typed "Whitworth" and posted it, and the only reason why I submitted an entry at all is because magicman was trying to recruit contestants for the survivor pool and I thought I'd humor him.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on February 11, 2011, 10:08:51 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

... which amuses me to no end, since -- as I've stated before -- I don't think I thought more than a few seconds about it before I typed "Whitworth" and posted it, and the only reason why I submitted an entry at all is because magicman was trying to recruit contestants for the survivor pool and I thought I'd humor him.

Same thing for me!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on February 11, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on November 02, 2010, 07:19:29 AM
...

There is no chance Amherst loses in 2010 with its schedule, and they don't play a really tough road game until FEBRUARY, but I certainly can't take the Lord Jeffs! 

Quote from: PointSpecial on November 02, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
But I can!

Amherst for me!

nescac1's prognostications proved true!  Thanks!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 11:55:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2011, 10:00:43 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

Though not in the contest.  I won with Crown a month ago! ;D

Yes, of course, you won. We know, already!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

... which amuses me to no end, since -- as I've stated before -- I don't think I thought more than a few seconds about it before I typed "Whitworth" and posted it, and the only reason why I submitted an entry at all is because magicman was trying to recruit contestants for the survivor pool and I thought I'd humor him.

Inspiration does not have to be agonized over, though. Isn't the definition of inspiration is a sudden *bing* in your head for some reason. There's inspiration, and then there's perspiration. And then there's just dumb fool luck, which I've used in many times in the past.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 12, 2011, 06:13:43 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 18, 2011, 05:07:25 AM
Survivor Series   Undefeated
For choosing a team with about 2 seconds of thought, Greg has managed to not only reach the final four, but I believe, is now the favorite to win it all. I don't think any team in the country has ran through their conference opponents as handily as the Pirates have. Their average margin of victory in their 15-0 unbeaten run is 20.7 points. No out of conference opponent has come within single digits and only 1 team all year, Puget Sound, who lost 72-65, has managed to stay with 10 points of Whitworth..... But somehow when it's all said and done, I think we'll be wrapping the robe around Mr. Sager while handing him his scepter and crown. It may end up being the best extemporaneous pick he ever made. :D ;D

Not only did I urge you to join the contest, I correctly forecast your victory.


Quote from: PointSpecial on February 11, 2011, 10:08:51 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

... which amuses me to no end, since -- as I've stated before -- I don't think I thought more than a few seconds about it before I typed "Whitworth" and posted it, and the only reason why I submitted an entry at all is because magicman was trying to recruit contestants for the survivor pool and I thought I'd humor him.

Same thing for me!

I'd congratulate you guys for being the last 2 standing but I'm too busy being humored.
The least you could do is send me my cut of the prize winnings for coming in 1st and 2nd.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nwhoops1903 on February 12, 2011, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

... which amuses me to no end, since -- as I've stated before -- I don't think I thought more than a few seconds about it before I typed "Whitworth" and posted it, and the only reason why I submitted an entry at all is because magicman was trying to recruit contestants for the survivor pool and I thought I'd humor him.
Congrats Greg.  Choosing Whitworth next year might be difficult if I have my way.  Does Greg automatically get the right to rechoose the same team?  :D ;D 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2011, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on February 12, 2011, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

... which amuses me to no end, since -- as I've stated before -- I don't think I thought more than a few seconds about it before I typed "Whitworth" and posted it, and the only reason why I submitted an entry at all is because magicman was trying to recruit contestants for the survivor pool and I thought I'd humor him.
Congrats Greg.  Choosing Whitworth next year might be difficult if I have my way.  Does Greg automatically get the right to rechoose the same team?

Traditionally it's been first come, first serve.  So, technically, I think you just picked them for next year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 13, 2011, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on February 12, 2011, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
As usual, the undefeated resolves itself before the winless. Whitworth was an inspired pick.

... which amuses me to no end, since -- as I've stated before -- I don't think I thought more than a few seconds about it before I typed "Whitworth" and posted it, and the only reason why I submitted an entry at all is because magicman was trying to recruit contestants for the survivor pool and I thought I'd humor him.
Congrats Greg.  Choosing Whitworth next year might be difficult if I have my way.  Does Greg automatically get the right to rechoose the same team?  :D ;D 8-)

Never stick your spoon in a Hall of Famer's bowl of farina, nwhoops. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
Now, I think we need to actually set some order up here, otherwise, I could just put a permanent claim on a team for each season.

Of course, the charters of the original colonies also had claim to territories until time immemorial and were broken out by longitude, not latitude and ran across the continent. So it may not hold up for ever.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 14, 2011, 12:24:24 AM
I could see someone staking an early claim for one, perhaps even two years, but permanently??!!  Is anyone that unmindful of turnover in college athletics? :D

Given the uncertainties of recruiting and who (unexpectedly) doesn't return to the team (not to mention off-season injuries), if someone wants to stick their neck out WAY early, I have no problem with it.  Though we might want to force them to stick with it if they do! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:40:49 AM
All right. We can do this easily now. The undefeated has been settled, and the winless roll on.

Undefeated:

Whitworth (23-0)

Winless:

Polytechnic (0-23)
Philadelphia Bible (0-22)
Green Mountain (0-17)

Undefeated vs. D3 - See Undefeated. No special cases.

Winless vs. D3:

Maine-Presque Isle (6-14, wins vs. Maine-Augusta, SUNY-Canton, Fisher, Maine-Ft. Kent, St. Joseph's (VT), Maine-Machias)
Millikin (1-20 win vs. Robert Morris - Springfield)

Now let's scout the chances of remaining undefeated, or getting some redemption and salvation (Amen!).

WHITWORTH - 2 games left: at Whitman and at Pacific. Whitman is listed as a 94% chance to win per Massey, but Whitworth blew 'em out 104-71 at home. I think Massey was just being nice.

POLYTECHNIC - 2 games left: at Medgar Evers and home vs SUNY-Purchase. They just lost to Bard. Let me repeat. THEY JUST LOST TO BARD.

PHILLY BIBLE - 2 games left: home vs. Neumann and Immaculata. I'm not saying that it's impossible for the Crimson Eagles to win, as Immaculata is 9-14 and only beat Philly Bible by 9 at home. There is hope.

GREEN MOUNTAIN - 3 games left: at Lyndon State, at Middlebury, at Johnson State. They have been uncompetitive in all D-3 games. The Middlebury game will be interesting to watch - they aren't the "Wonder Five" anymore and have a full roster, but most of their roster make cameos now.

UMPI - No D-3 games left.

MILLIKIN - 3 games left: home vs. Wheaton, at Carthage, home vs. Elmhurst. The only glimmer of hope is the final home game against Elmhurst, though Wheaton only beat them by 14 at Wheaton.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:43:16 AM
As for Green Mountain, I was perusing the stats and wanted to check in on Cleopass Nakoma.

14 games, 3 starts (as part of the wonder 5).
143 minutes.
0-7 field (0-1 3pt)
0-1 FT line
1 DR
5 PF
4 A
16 TO
2 STL

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 14, 2011, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
Now, I think we need to actually set some order up here, otherwise, I could just put a permanent claim on a team for each season.

Of course, the charters of the original colonies also had claim to territories until time immemorial and were broken out by longitude, not latitude and ran across the continent. So it may not hold up for ever.

So what you're saying is, if I pick Western Connecticut, I don't get Case Western Reserve along with them anymore?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 14, 2011, 12:59:47 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:43:16 AM
As for Green Mountain, I was perusing the stats and wanted to check in on Cleopass Nakoma.

14 games, 3 starts (as part of the wonder 5).
143 minutes.
0-7 field (0-1 3pt)
0-1 FT line
1 DR
5 PF
4 A
16 TO
2 STL



A lock for POY!! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 02:39:28 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 14, 2011, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
Now, I think we need to actually set some order up here, otherwise, I could just put a permanent claim on a team for each season.

Of course, the charters of the original colonies also had claim to territories until time immemorial and were broken out by longitude, not latitude and ran across the continent. So it may not hold up for ever.

So what you're saying is, if I pick Western Connecticut, I don't get Case Western Reserve along with them anymore?

Sorry, but you may be able to appeal to William III (or Mary II - if you are smooth with the ladies)  for recompense.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
Now, I think we need to actually set some order up here, otherwise, I could just put a permanent claim on a team for each season.

How about a "right of first refusal"?

One can "hold" the rights to the same team the next year if they have declared the hold by 2 days before the opening day.  (If opening day is Nov 15th, then they need to declare the "hold" by 11:59 pm EST on November 12th.)

If they do not claim that team, then it goes back into the pool of eligible teams.

Thoughts everyone?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 15, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
Now, I think we need to actually set some order up here, otherwise, I could just put a permanent claim on a team for each season.

How about a "right of first refusal"?

One can "hold" the rights to the same team the next year if they have declared the hold by 2 days before the opening day.  (If opening day is Nov 15th, then they need to declare the "hold" by 11:59 pm EST on November 12th.)

If they do not claim that team, then it goes back into the pool of eligible teams.

Thoughts everyone?


Two days seems kinda tight. Maybe we give 'em until a week before?

Or maybe we only give refusal rights to the Top 3 finishers (plus ties) in each category. Otherwise it might be too much to keep track of.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2011, 01:19:48 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 15, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
Now, I think we need to actually set some order up here, otherwise, I could just put a permanent claim on a team for each season.

How about a "right of first refusal"?

One can "hold" the rights to the same team the next year if they have declared the hold by 2 days before the opening day.  (If opening day is Nov 15th, then they need to declare the "hold" by 11:59 pm EST on November 12th.)

If they do not claim that team, then it goes back into the pool of eligible teams.

Thoughts everyone?


Two days seems kinda tight. Maybe we give 'em until a week before?

Or maybe we only give refusal rights to the Top 3 finishers (plus ties) in each category. Otherwise it might be too much to keep track of.
A week is fine with me.  The first picks started occurring around October 29th and 30th.

As for keeping track, the old posts have that.   :)

Post 2583 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4059.2583)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 15, 2011, 02:03:41 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2011, 12:43:16 AM
As for Green Mountain, I was perusing the stats and wanted to check in on Cleopass Nakoma.

14 games, 3 starts (as part of the wonder 5).
143 minutes.
0-7 field (0-1 3pt)
0-1 FT line
1 DR
5 PF
4 A
16 TO
2 STL



I was also looking at some stats and noticed that Green Mountain is #1 in the nation in one category - personal fouls.  They are averaging 13.4 fouls per game, and have had only 1 player foul out of a game all season!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 17, 2011, 12:08:36 AM
Down goes Whitworth!

So Massey wasn't just being nice. The thing is that you never know about conference games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 17, 2011, 12:19:36 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 17, 2011, 12:08:36 AM
Down goes Whitworth!

So Massey wasn't just being nice. The thing is that you never know about conference games.

smeds,
You been celebrating Wabash's big win this evening? Whitworth's loss was 2 days ago now! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 17, 2011, 04:39:51 PM
Well, no one mentioned it here!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 17, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 29, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
But, where have the touts and bookies in NESCAC-land put the line on the Middlebury / Green Mountain game?

My guess is that Coach Brown will go to his bench early and often, but his end of the bench players are going to be too tough for the Eagles. Middlebury hasn't hit the century mark all year and they've certainly played a few teams where that was possible. Coach Brown has always been a classy guy and doesn't like to rub it in. That being said it'll be hard to stop eager reserves from wanting to score. He'll make them run though their sets, use the clock, take a little air out of the ball, and they'll finish right around the century mark. I'm thinking 98-48 final.

Coach Brown did better than go to his bench early, he started his bench players. No  Middlebury starter even played in this game. 7 of the 10 Middlebury players that played in the game had the least amount of playing time on the team this year. Middlebury was up 39-24 at the half, which wasn't too bad, but Green mountain could only manage to score 6 points in the second half. Final score was Middlebury 74 Green Mountain 30.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 17, 2011, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 17, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 29, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
But, where have the touts and bookies in NESCAC-land put the line on the Middlebury / Green Mountain game?

My guess is that Coach Brown will go to his bench early and often, but his end of the bench players are going to be too tough for the Eagles. Middlebury hasn't hit the century mark all year and they've certainly played a few teams where that was possible. Coach Brown has always been a classy guy and doesn't like to rub it in. That being said it'll be hard to stop eager reserves from wanting to score. He'll make them run though their sets, use the clock, take a little air out of the ball, and they'll finish right around the century mark. I'm thinking 98-48 final.

Coach Brown did better than go to his bench early, he started his bench players. No  Middlebury starter even played in this game. 7 of the 10 Middlebury players that played in the game had the least amount of playing time on the team this year. Middlebury was up 39-24 at the half, which wasn't too bad, but Green mountain could only manage to score 6 points in the second half. Final score was Middlebury 74 Green Mountain 30.

That's the right thing to do. But then, when Green Mountain was going through purgatory this season, why was this game played anyway?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 17, 2011, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 17, 2011, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 17, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 29, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
But, where have the touts and bookies in NESCAC-land put the line on the Middlebury / Green Mountain game?

My guess is that Coach Brown will go to his bench early and often, but his end of the bench players are going to be too tough for the Eagles. Middlebury hasn't hit the century mark all year and they've certainly played a few teams where that was possible. Coach Brown has always been a classy guy and doesn't like to rub it in. That being said it'll be hard to stop eager reserves from wanting to score. He'll make them run though their sets, use the clock, take a little air out of the ball, and they'll finish right around the century mark. I'm thinking 98-48 final.

Coach Brown did better than go to his bench early, he started his bench players. No  Middlebury starter even played in this game. 7 of the 10 Middlebury players that played in the game had the least amount of playing time on the team this year. Middlebury was up 39-24 at the half, which wasn't too bad, but Green mountain could only manage to score 6 points in the second half. Final score was Middlebury 74 Green Mountain 30.

That's the right thing to do. But then, when Green Mountain was going through purgatory this season, why was this game played anyway?

That's the question I asked on the NESCAC board.  Middlebury could have played their cheerleaders and won - what's the point?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 18, 2011, 10:47:23 AM


It's not like Middlebury knew what Green Mountain's situation was going to be like when they scheduled them.
Heck all those schools that passed up a game with IWU cause they didn't want to get stomped probably wish they had scheduled them now that they are struggling to make the CCIW playoffs. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on February 18, 2011, 11:42:17 AM
Plus keep in mind that these two schools are in a corner of the country where it's not easy to get non-conference games against Division III opponents. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Will2Win on February 18, 2011, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 17, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 29, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
But, where have the touts and bookies in NESCAC-land put the line on the Middlebury / Green Mountain game?

My guess is that Coach Brown will go to his bench early and often, but his end of the bench players are going to be too tough for the Eagles. Middlebury hasn't hit the century mark all year and they've certainly played a few teams where that was possible. Coach Brown has always been a classy guy and doesn't like to rub it in. That being said it'll be hard to stop eager reserves from wanting to score. He'll make them run though their sets, use the clock, take a little air out of the ball, and they'll finish right around the century mark. I'm thinking 98-48 final.

Coach Brown did better than go to his bench early, he started his bench players. No  Middlebury starter even played in this game. 7 of the 10 Middlebury players that played in the game had the least amount of playing time on the team this year. Middlebury was up 39-24 at the half, which wasn't too bad, but Green mountain could only manage to score 6 points in the second half. Final score was Middlebury 74 Green Mountain 30.

I'm not a supporter of either institution here but I was a little offended after reading this post...

I understand not wanting to show a team up who has struggled mightly this year to say the least, but to start all bench players and not have your starters even take off their warm-ups seems like more of an insult to Green Mtn to me. Start you kids you 've been starting all year and yank em maybe 3-5 mins into the game after they've built a lead....That would have been the classy thing to do for the Middlebury coach. Guess some people just lack in this area though huh?? What goes around comes around though, This coach will be shown up sooner or later and I hope it's soon!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 18, 2011, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: bossman on February 18, 2011, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 17, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 29, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
But, where have the touts and bookies in NESCAC-land put the line on the Middlebury / Green Mountain game?

My guess is that Coach Brown will go to his bench early and often, but his end of the bench players are going to be too tough for the Eagles. Middlebury hasn't hit the century mark all year and they've certainly played a few teams where that was possible. Coach Brown has always been a classy guy and doesn't like to rub it in. That being said it'll be hard to stop eager reserves from wanting to score. He'll make them run though their sets, use the clock, take a little air out of the ball, and they'll finish right around the century mark. I'm thinking 98-48 final.

Coach Brown did better than go to his bench early, he started his bench players. No  Middlebury starter even played in this game. 7 of the 10 Middlebury players that played in the game had the least amount of playing time on the team this year. Middlebury was up 39-24 at the half, which wasn't too bad, but Green mountain could only manage to score 6 points in the second half. Final score was Middlebury 74 Green Mountain 30.

I'm not a supporter of either institution here but I was a little offended after reading this post...

I understand not wanting to show a team up who has struggled mightly this year to say the least, but to start all bench players and not have your starters even take off their warm-ups seems like more of an insult to Green Mtn to me. Start you kids you 've been starting all year and yank em maybe 3-5 mins into the game after they've built a lead....That would have been the classy thing to do for the Middlebury coach. Guess some people just lack in this area though huh?? What goes around comes around though, This coach will be shown up sooner or later and I hope it's soon!!!

IMHO there was no disrespect or insult toward Green Mtn by the Middlebury coach. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 18, 2011, 06:06:01 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 18, 2011, 10:47:23 AM


It's not like Middlebury knew what Green Mountain's situation was going to be like when they scheduled them.
Heck all those schools that passed up a game with IWU cause they didn't want to get stomped probably wish they had scheduled them now that they are struggling to make the CCIW playoffs. ;D

If I recall, it was pretty much known during the summer that Green Mountain's roster would be spartan. And yes, there is a location issue. Does Middlebury have a JV team? Could they have the JV play Green Mountain and have it off-the-book for Middlebury? Just curious.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: buck1053 on February 18, 2011, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: bossman on February 18, 2011, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 17, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 29, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 29, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
But, where have the touts and bookies in NESCAC-land put the line on the Middlebury / Green Mountain game?

My guess is that Coach Brown will go to his bench early and often, but his end of the bench players are going to be too tough for the Eagles. Middlebury hasn't hit the century mark all year and they've certainly played a few teams where that was possible. Coach Brown has always been a classy guy and doesn't like to rub it in. That being said it'll be hard to stop eager reserves from wanting to score. He'll make them run though their sets, use the clock, take a little air out of the ball, and they'll finish right around the century mark. I'm thinking 98-48 final.

Coach Brown did better than go to his bench early, he started his bench players. No  Middlebury starter even played in this game. 7 of the 10 Middlebury players that played in the game had the least amount of playing time on the team this year. Middlebury was up 39-24 at the half, which wasn't too bad, but Green mountain could only manage to score 6 points in the second half. Final score was Middlebury 74 Green Mountain 30.

I'm not a supporter of either institution here but I was a little offended after reading this post...

I understand not wanting to show a team up who has struggled mightly this year to say the least, but to start all bench players and not have your starters even take off their warm-ups seems like more of an insult to Green Mtn to me. Start you kids you 've been starting all year and yank em maybe 3-5 mins into the game after they've built a lead....That would have been the classy thing to do for the Middlebury coach. Guess some people just lack in this area though huh?? What goes around comes around though, This coach will be shown up sooner or later and I hope it's soon!!!

I don't think it was disrespectful, plus it gives the guys who don't play as much during the other games a chance to get some meaningful minutes.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 02:19:22 PM

I went to high school in Colorado and went to a very good, but small basketball school.  Once a year we had to play this tiny HS from out on the plains - they were lucky to field seven guys for their basketball team - often that included 7th and 8th graders.  Our coach usually only sent the freshman team to play them; we never won the game by less than 60.

Sending the varsity would have been more than overkill.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 06:57:01 PM
The attitude of a player towards his/her opponent can be more important than the score in such a blowout.

Respect handles many of the awkward moments graciously.

Sportsmanship.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 19, 2011, 09:11:44 PM
Too many times I've seen instances of high school teams running up the score to pad stats against over-matched opponents. That happens a lot in the lowest class, especially in the era of charter schools.

It's quite a shame. In high school and even college, it's not about stats, or shouldn't be.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2011, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 06:57:01 PM
The attitude of a player towards his/her opponent can be more important than the score in such a blowout.

Respect handles many of the awkward moments graciously.

Sportsmanship.

Very true.  Our coach usually spoke with the opposing coach before games, especially in the instance where everyone knew there would be a blowout.  Against one charter school, the coach came in very ambitious and the school provided the funds to really build a program, so the coach asked our guys to go all out the whole game just to show his guys how far they had to go to reach the top.  I think the final score was 114-8, but those guys really seemed to understand what they'd gotten themselves into and played hard the whole time.  It was pretty impressive to see guys overmatched and remained determined.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 19, 2011, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 06:57:01 PM
The attitude of a player towards his/her opponent can be more important than the score in such a blowout.

Respect handles many of the awkward moments graciously.

Sportsmanship.

I don't think it could be stated any better than that Ralph. Plus k.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 12:33:36 AM
I don't know where else to post this, but this seems like the right place ...

FINAL FROM PASADENA, CA

Caltech 46
Occidental 45
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 12:40:06 AM
Yep, seems like a good place.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 23, 2011, 01:16:33 AM
After being winless in the SCIAC since the mid 1980's (I think) Cal Tech has finally broken through in their last game of the year as they downed Occidental 46-45. Not sure if Oxy Bob who is a Cal Tech spectator on occasion is happy or sad about this newsworthy occurrence.  

I thought this was as good a place as any as well Greg, especially since I won the winless pool with Caltech last year. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 01:24:09 AM
Caltech's last SCIAC win was on January 26, 1985, a 58-47 win over LaVerne. That was 310 straight losses ago.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 23, 2011, 04:11:37 AM
ESPN even had a little footage from the game and a brief mention of the end of the streak that I just spotted at 4:08 AM.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.

Eeesh. You can tell the Caltech students are not practiced in storming the court. Too many walkers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2011, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.
It may be to CalTech's advantage that Elmquist's FT bounced around the rim a few times, because Oxy could only advance the ball to mid-court before heaving a running attempt that bounced off the right side of the back board.

Three seconds is a very long time!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.

Eeesh. You can tell the Caltech students are not practiced in storming the court. Too many walkers.

I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ziggy on February 23, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.

Eeesh. You can tell the Caltech students are not practiced in storming the court. Too many walkers.

I thought the same thing.

Come on guys, cut the students some slack. Walking looks pretty fast compared to taking 26 years between conference wins!

A person walking 8 hours per day at an average pace of 3 miles per hour for 26 years would travel about 228,000 miles. Those students that storm-walked the court could tell you that the moon's perigee is only 225,622 miles from Earth.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 11:27:09 AM
Quote from: ziggy on February 23, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.

Eeesh. You can tell the Caltech students are not practiced in storming the court. Too many walkers.

I thought the same thing.

Come on guys, cut the students some slack. Walking looks pretty fast compared to taking 26 years between conference wins!

A person walking 8 hours per day at an average pace of 3 miles per hour for 26 years would travel about 228,000 miles. Those students that storm-walked the court could tell you that the moon's perihelion is only 225,622 miles from Earth.

Actually, they would tell you that perihelion pertains to an orbit around the sun. Perigee would be the closest point in an earth-centric orbit.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 11:32:53 AM
Sorry for the poor quality, it was the only clip I could find, but this video must be included on this historic occasion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZD6w1LiY94
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 23, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.

Eeesh. You can tell the Caltech students are not practiced in storming the court. Too many walkers.

I thought the same thing.

Come on guys, cut the students some slack. Walking looks pretty fast compared to taking 26 years between conference wins!

A person walking 8 hours per day at an average pace of 3 miles per hour for 26 years would travel about 228,000 miles. Those students that storm-walked the court could tell you that the moon's perigee is only 225,622 miles from Earth.

I'll give them slack. How many grad students were in the group? They're the only ones that were possibly even born in 1985! And even then some probably weren't.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2011, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 23, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.

Eeesh. You can tell the Caltech students are not practiced in storming the court. Too many walkers.

I thought the same thing.

Come on guys, cut the students some slack. Walking looks pretty fast compared to taking 26 years between conference wins!

A person walking 8 hours per day at an average pace of 3 miles per hour for 26 years would travel about 228,000 miles. Those students that storm-walked the court could tell you that the moon's perigee is only 225,622 miles from Earth.

I'll give them slack. How many grad students were in the group? They're the only ones that were possibly even born in 1985! And even then some probably weren't.
Yeah some 27-yr old working on his 4th post-doctoral!   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2011, 07:40:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2011, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 23, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.

Eeesh. You can tell the Caltech students are not practiced in storming the court. Too many walkers.

I thought the same thing.

Come on guys, cut the students some slack. Walking looks pretty fast compared to taking 26 years between conference wins!

A person walking 8 hours per day at an average pace of 3 miles per hour for 26 years would travel about 228,000 miles. Those students that storm-walked the court could tell you that the moon's perigee is only 225,622 miles from Earth.

I'll give them slack. How many grad students were in the group? They're the only ones that were possibly even born in 1985! And even then some probably weren't.
Yeah some 27-yr old working on his 4th post-doctoral!   ;)

Now THAT would be the very definition of a child prodigy! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 23, 2011, 11:13:28 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 23, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 23, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak More details, with the court-storming video coming.

Eeesh. You can tell the Caltech students are not practiced in storming the court. Too many walkers.

I thought the same thing.

Come on guys, cut the students some slack. Walking looks pretty fast compared to taking 26 years between conference wins!

A person walking 8 hours per day at an average pace of 3 miles per hour for 26 years would travel about 228,000 miles. Those students that storm-walked the court could tell you that the moon's perigee is only 225,622 miles from Earth.

I'll give them slack. How many grad students were in the group? They're the only ones that were possibly even born in 1985! And even then some probably weren't.

Sheldon comes to mind...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on March 01, 2011, 05:02:52 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 18, 2011, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2011, 11:35:53 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 18, 2011, 05:07:25 AM
Survivor Series   Undefeated

And we arrive at the Final Four
 
Hoops Fan                Wooster

magicman                 Middlebury

PointSpecial              Amherst   
         
Greg Sager               Whitworth

...
Yeah, that looks plausible.  I am trying to figure out how to get Middlebury and Amherst sufficently separated so as not to meet until the Final Four in Salem.  Whitworth and Wooster are plausible for the other 2 slots.   ;)

Ralph,
With Williams, Amherst and Middlebury all coming out of NESCAC, and with the East, and Atlantic regions being so weak, I think you can send a pool c team, either Amherst or Mid over to the Atlantic region. Let's say Amherst goes to the Atlantic where they can beat a Mid Atlantic or an ODAC team to get to Salem. Meanwhile Middlebury advances through the Northeast and East to get to Salem. :D


Well Ralph, it looks like it wasn't a problem getting Amherst and Middlebury separated so they don't meet until the Final Four. Turns out it was Wooster and Whitworth that have to meet in the quarterfinals instead of the FF. :D 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on June 29, 2011, 02:47:24 PM
Saw the site Hoopdirt.com mentioned in the Liberty League room, so went to check it out...

Found this nugget regarding a program near and dear to the hearts of the faithfull followers of the Undefeated and the Winless through the years...


Job List

Jun 26 '11 — Head Coach - University of Maine at Presque Isle - Full-time
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on June 29, 2011, 05:38:04 PM
Dave McHugh always talks fondly of this part of the country.  Where should I send his resume? :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 29, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 29, 2011, 05:38:04 PM
Dave McHugh always talks fondly of this part of the country.  Where should I send his resume? :)

Perhaps D-Mac could hire UMPI aficionado Mr. Ypsi as his assistant coach. Chuck's been looking for something useful to do since he retired. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 29, 2011, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 29, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 29, 2011, 05:38:04 PM
Dave McHugh always talks fondly of this part of the country.  Where should I send his resume? :)

Perhaps D-Mac could hire UMPI aficionado Mr. Ypsi as his assistant coach. Chuck's been looking for something useful to do since he retired. ;)

Only if they move the basketball season to the summer.  Maine is truly 'God's country' for 5-7 months a year, but I have not spent (and probably will never spend) a winter there! ;)

Now that Mrs. Y has also retired, we're seriously considering becoming 'snowbirds'.  Any of you sunbelt folks wanna bid for our RV and us becoming neighbors? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2011, 10:26:29 AM
Well, everyone is undefeated as of now.

(And everyone is winless...)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2011, 01:49:30 PM

I'm taking Williams in the Survivor Pool.  I don't think they lose until Amherst.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2011, 03:34:54 PM
Oh, so the survivor pool is open for biz, too, I guess:

Give me Wooster
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 15, 2011, 03:40:29 PM
My standard response (made with the heart not the brain) - Hope
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2011, 04:00:37 PM
McMurry for the winner's pool. 

I like our chances to have a solid run deep into the season if we can win at UT-D on 12/03.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 15, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
I'm a homer and have to go with Augustana for the winner's pool despite their typically tough schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2011, 04:35:39 PM
 For the undefeated, I'll take Scranton, despite 2 ranked teams on the road - Ramapo and Cabrini.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 15, 2011, 04:51:24 PM
For this edition of "Homer Undefeated"  I'll take Rochester.  Or Rust....no, Rochester.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2011, 05:20:53 PM
Put me down for Virginia Wesleyan to be the last undefeated team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2011, 05:21:10 PM
Are we doing a winless pool as well? Who's in charge here? Bartender?  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2011, 05:44:54 PM

I'm picking Philly Bible for the winless pool.  They didn't win a game all last year, why not keep the streak alive.  They have the Moody Bible Institute this weekend at a tournament in Chicago, so if they can get by that, there's a shot.

Also, they somehow managed to schedule Delaware State.  Ooof.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:51:42 PM
If nobody else does it, I can run it. All you have to do is keep a list of who picked who and check occasionally if any are eliminated right? Can't be any harder than running a football confidence pick 'em can it? 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2011, 07:10:31 PM
Geez, the season starts today and someone finally remembered to resurrect this thread?! :P

If we're giving a pass for a few days on picks, I may do research and re-pick.  Otherwise I'll do a quickie off-the-top-of-my-head selection of Amherst for undefeated (using the same logic as HF) and Oberlin for winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2011, 07:38:10 PM
Throw me Crown on the winless side!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 15, 2011, 07:39:42 PM
I'll take Rochester in the winful and Polytechnic in the winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 15, 2011, 08:00:17 PM
I'm taking one of the teams I had last year. Middlebury to not lose and Oneonta State to not win.

I'll also keep score as I did most of it last year. I'll wait a couple of days and then list everybody's picks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2011, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless

Green Mountain is up 12 at the half, hosting Albany Pharmacy.  They might drop off the list in one game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
And Green Mountain held on to win 83-80 over Albany Pharmacy... I think I win the prize for quickest elimination :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2011, 10:36:46 PM
Green Mountain is pretty mercurial. A couple of years ago they won a few games, then those kids left and the granolas stayed around.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 15, 2011, 10:39:01 PM
Sheesh. Are we still allowed to pick? Ill take macalester and augustana
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2011, 11:45:59 PM
Well, dodged the opening night bullet on my winless pick - one of Oberlin's 2 wins last season was Westminster; tonite Westminster beat Oberlin. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2011, 11:55:35 PM
I'll take St. Mary's (MD) on the upside, Bard on the downside.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 16, 2011, 06:03:24 AM
I picked UofR on the winning side before.  I'll take Cazenovia on the losers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2011, 07:17:06 AM
Give me Principia on the losing side and Rust on the winning...     ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 16, 2011, 07:45:20 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 16, 2011, 07:17:06 AM
Give me Principia on the losing side and Rust on the winning...     ;)

Well played....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2011, 08:20:55 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
And Green Mountain held on to win 83-80 over Albany Pharmacy... I think I win the prize for quickest elimination

Nope, Philadelphia Bible took out Polytechnic by almost 30 - game started at 2pm.  First game of the season for d3 and I lost my winless pool pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2011, 09:48:51 AM
SORRY GUYS, FORGOT ABOUT RENEWING THIS POST FOR THIS YEAR.

I'll take William Paterson for $500 Alex!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2011, 10:04:44 AM
I got your back!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 16, 2011, 10:29:52 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 15, 2011, 04:51:24 PM
For this edition of "Homer Undefeated"  I'll take Rochester.  Or Rust....no, Rochester.

Quote from: PointSpecial on November 15, 2011, 07:39:42 PM
I'll take Rochester in the winful and Polytechnic in the winless.

Oops... I picked somebody who'd already been picked...

I'll have to look again.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2011, 11:06:41 AM
You can have a team that was already picked, but you won't be as cool when you have to share your title!  Plus that person will have bragging rights since they picked that team first!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 16, 2011, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2011, 11:06:41 AM
You can have a team that was already picked, but you won't be as cool when you have to share your title!  Plus that person will have bragging rights since they picked that team first!

.... Yeah, but I THOUGHt I picked it first...   ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nwhoops1903 on November 16, 2011, 03:45:20 PM
Wooster up
Willamette down
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: stag44 on November 16, 2011, 03:54:05 PM
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps up
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 16, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 15, 2011, 07:39:42 PM
I'll take Rochester in the winful and Polytechnic in the winless.

I'll take Wheaton for the winful to replace Rochester.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on November 16, 2011, 03:45:20 PM
Wooster up
Willamette down

I snagged Wooster already, but it could yours if the price is right?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nwhoops1903 on November 16, 2011, 04:37:13 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 16, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on November 16, 2011, 03:45:20 PM
Wooster up
Willamette down

I snagged Wooster already, but it could yours if the price is right?  ;) ;D
Can I piggyback for a pennyback?  Would a nickleback be better?  quarterback? diamondback?

How do I "back" out of this thread.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope52 on November 16, 2011, 04:45:49 PM
i willl  take  hope
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 15, 2011, 10:39:01 PM
Sheesh. Are we still allowed to pick? Ill take macalester and augustana

Since you didn't specify, competitors retain the right to assume you meant macalester for undefeated and augie for winless! 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 16, 2011, 04:56:55 PM
I already picked Augustana for winners. 

Maybe he did mean winless, but Augustana already beat Aurora 102-68.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2011, 06:00:09 PM
WE'LL MAKE THE CUT-OFF DATE FOR FRIDAY, EVEN THOUGH SOME GAMES ALREADY HAVE STARTED.  OH WELL.  BETTER TIMING NEXT YEAR!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2011, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2011, 06:00:09 PM
WE'LL MAKE THE CUT-OFF DATE FOR FRIDAY, EVEN THOUGH SOME GAMES ALREADY HAVE STARTED.  OH WELL.  BETTER TIMING NEXT YEAR!
Can we replace a team if we've already been knocked out since the cut-off hasn't happened yet? ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2011, 06:31:10 PM
That's not a good sign when you're already knocked out! 

If no one else objects, I don't care.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 16, 2011, 06:35:44 PM
Then I'll jump from Augustana to Augsburg.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2011, 07:21:30 PM
So far.



   Poster      Win      Lose   
   Hoops Fan      Williams      Philly Bible   
   smedindy      Wooster      Crown   
   Flying Dutch Fan      Hope         
   Ralph Turner      McMurry         
   augie77      Augustana         
   ronk      Scranton         
   Ethelred      Rochester      Cazenovia   
   FCGrizzlies      Whitworth      Green Mountain   
   y_jack_lok      Virg. Wes.         
   Mr. Ypsi      Amherst      Oberlin   
   Point Special      Wheaton      Polytechnic   
   magicman      Middlebury      Oneonta St.   
   Knightslappy      Augsburg      Macalester   
   Gregory Sager      St. Mary's (MD)      Bard   
   hopefan      Rust      Principia   
   Greek Tragedy      St. Thomas         
   nwhoops1903      Wooster      Wiliamette   
   stag44      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps         
   hope52      Hope         

I changed my pick to St. Thomas.  When I looked at the Top 25, I must have been looking at the women's.  I was curious as to why the defending national champs had ONE vote (I think).  Sorry.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2011, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
I'll change my winless to conference foe Earlham
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 16, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 15, 2011, 10:39:01 PM
Sheesh. Are we still allowed to pick? Ill take macalester and augustana

Since you didn't specify, competitors retain the right to assume you meant macalester for undefeated and augie for winless! 8-)

I stay vague because (1) it's obvious and (2) in the event of a reversal of fortune, I can claim that I meant the opposite!  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2011, 08:25:32 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 16, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 15, 2011, 10:39:01 PM
Sheesh. Are we still allowed to pick? Ill take macalester and augustana

Since you didn't specify, competitors retain the right to assume you meant macalester for undefeated and augie for winless! 8-)

I stay vague because (1) it's obvious and (2) in the event of a reversal of fortune, I can claim that I meant the opposite!  :)

True, but so can competitors! 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 17, 2011, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 16, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 15, 2011, 07:39:42 PM
I'll take Rochester in the winful and Polytechnic in the winless.

I'll take Wheaton for the winful to replace Rochester.
Wheaton (IL) or Wheaton (MA)?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 17, 2011, 01:33:41 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 17, 2011, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 16, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 15, 2011, 07:39:42 PM
I'll take Rochester in the winful and Polytechnic in the winless.

I'll take Wheaton for the winful to replace Rochester.
Wheaton (IL) or Wheaton (MA)?


... Can I use the KS clause to take whichever lasts longer...?


(IL)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 17, 2011, 09:14:58 AM
Augustana (as reported) for the winners pool;  CCIW rival Millikin for winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2011, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2011, 11:55:35 PM
I'll take St. Mary's (MD) on the upside, Bard on the downside.

Greg,
I almost took Bard myself, because I don't think they will win a game in their new conference. (LIberty League) However with Albany Pharmacy coming up on 12-1, I think the Raptors will break into the win column. They might even win one this weekend when they'll probably play Johnson State in the losers bracket of the Wesleyan tournament. After that though it's all downhill.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nwhoops1903 on November 17, 2011, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 16, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on November 16, 2011, 03:45:20 PM
Wooster up
Willamette down

I snagged Wooster already, but it could yours if the price is right?  ;) ;D
Switch me from Wooster to Franklin and Marshall
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2011, 10:28:17 PM

Since my winless team bombed out in the first d3 game of the season, I feel like a mulligan is in order.

I am now going with Gordon College.  They've scored exactly 38 points in each of their first two games and appear to be in desperation mode already.  Plus as the natural rival of my alma mater who spent the better part of the last decade making us look foolish, this is a win-win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2011, 11:58:49 PM
I know I'm late, but since no one has taken them, if its alright with you guys, I'll make my usual MIT pick for the undefeated list (as I have for the last few years).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 18, 2011, 05:02:45 AM
Quote from: Hugenerd on November 17, 2011, 11:58:49 PM
I know I'm late, but since no one has taken them, if its alright with you guys, I'll make my usual MIT pick for the undefeated list (as I have for the last few years).

Yeah sure. Now that MIT got that tough matchup against Curry out of the way you want to hop on their bandwagon. ;D  JUST KIDDING JUST KIDDING. I know that's your team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 18, 2011, 08:38:12 AM
You're right, I couldnt sleep all this week thinking about the Curry matchup, but it should be smooth sailing from here.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2011, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 17, 2011, 10:28:17 PM

Since my winless team bombed out in the first d3 game of the season, I feel like a mulligan is in order.

I am now going with Gordon College.  They've scored exactly 38 points in each of their first two games and appear to be in desperation mode already.  Plus as the natural rival of my alma mater who spent the better part of the last decade making us look foolish, this is a win-win.

I'm going to be especially insistent on this, especially since it was just reported that Williams has four guards injured right now.  I would like to have some reason to come to this board in December.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on November 18, 2011, 09:36:33 AM
Yeah, I'd be pretty stunned if Williams can make it past the first three games without a loss, considering that two of them are pretty tough opponents (Salem State and what figures to be a much-improved Wesleyan team).  Wang may be the only guard from the top four to play this weekend (at this point, the team has only one healthy PG, and he is new to the program and hasn't played organized hoops for a year), and if he does his minutes would be very limited.  The starting center may also be out, although there is solid depth at that spot.  If Williams can somehow survive these first three games, guys should start gradually returning to the rotation and I like their chances going forward, but that is a huge if. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 18, 2011, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 16, 2011, 06:03:24 AM
I picked UofR on the winning side before.  I'll take Cazenovia on the losers.

My Caz pick was made the 16th.  Turns out they (somehow) won their opener on the 15th.  GENIUS!  So can I take the team they beat?  Baptist Bible?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2011, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2011, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
I'll change my winless to conference foe Earlham

Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 17, 2011, 10:28:17 PM

Since my winless team bombed out in the first d3 game of the season, I feel like a mulligan is in order.

I am now going with Gordon College.  They've scored exactly 38 points in each of their first two games and appear to be in desperation mode already.  Plus as the natural rival of my alma mater who spent the better part of the last decade making us look foolish, this is a win-win.
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 18, 2011, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 16, 2011, 06:03:24 AM
I picked UofR on the winning side before.  I'll take Cazenovia on the losers.
.
My Caz pick was made the 16th.  Turns out they (somehow) won their opener on the 15th.  GENIUS!  So can I take the team they beat?  Baptist Bible?

My winless pick was Oneonta St. They promptly proceeded to win their 1st game, defeating Kean by 20 points, 78-58. They lost their top 6 scorers off a 9-17 team and I picked them to come in 10th in the SUNYAC. May have to re-calculate that. But I'll take my loss like a man and won't beg for a mulligan like the above losers. ;D 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2011, 08:05:11 PM
HoopsFan was right. Williams has to many missing players as they lose to Salem State 83-69.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2011, 08:28:05 PM
Hugenerd's MIT pick romps 104-75

Mr. Ypsi's Amherst team crushes Wasington and Lee 100-64

Ronk's Scranton team wins big over New Platz 93-59

My Middlebury pick gets by Gwynned-Mercy 76-67
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 19, 2011, 09:00:25 PM
Big loss today as Macalester falls to Crown 50-47.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2011, 09:19:34 PM
So much for that one...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope52 on November 19, 2011, 09:59:50 PM
hope won tonight
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2011, 12:17:06 AM
I watch undefeated Rust go down big.... I wanna mulligan, I wanna mulligan :D :D :D

But wait, my Prin team lost by 50...bonus points????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 20, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
 Gregory Sager's winless pick, Bard, defeated Johnson State 78-73.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2011, 01:14:10 AM
Has anyone not had a team do the opposite of what they picked?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2011, 01:26:12 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 20, 2011, 12:17:06 AM
I watch undefeated Rust go down big.... I wanna mulligan, I wanna mulligan :D :D :D

But wait, my Prin team lost by 50...bonus points????

They played Grinnell, though, and Grinnell jobbed the system so their guys could score a bazillion against them. So counting that it's a system game and the other shenanigans, it's just a 10-point loss. Heh.  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2011, 06:15:23 PM
Willamette defeated D'Youville 0n Nov. 18th 108-101 knocking out nwhoops loser pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
I think Mr. Ypsi was trying to pull his old Maine-Presque Isle trick on us. He chose them in the winless pool 1 year because he stated that even if they  should get lucky and win a game they were so isolated that no one would know about it. I don't know how isolated Oberlin Ohio is but there was certainly no mention by the man from Ypsilanti that the Yeomen had indeed won their 1st game yesterday as they took down the Earlham Quakers 76-58. If I was going to take a mulligan in the losers pool I'd have to think the Quakers would be a good choice. They lost again today to fall to 0-3. I'm surprised Mr Y didn't have them as his 1st choice as they visited his hometown back on Oct. 30th for an exhibition against Eastern Michigan. After all when you have a chance to see a team that was 2-23 (0-18 in conf.) last year I would think they might be right up there on your list to get a scouting report on. Perhaps he'd still be alive had he done so. ;D     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:18:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
Gregory Sager's winless pick, Bard, defeated Johnson State 78-73.

And his winful pick St. Mary's (Md) lost to Johns Hopkins on Friday 67-66.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:23:19 PM
Bringing this forward and marking off the picks that have lost when they should have won or won when they should have lost. I will leave it up to our honorable commissioner (Greek Tragedy) if he wants to give mulligans to those that were begging for one. Personally I would vote no as we haven't done that in past years. And while I sympathize with Ethelred (who chose a team to be winless, only to discover that they had already won a game) it sounds to me like he was Unready when he made his choice. ;) I think the early losers could make a 2nd choice (if they want to) but they shouldn't be eligible for bragging rights if their 2nd choice eventually wins out over another player's 1st and only choice.

Lots of players still alive in the undefeated pool but only 3 players alive in the winless pool with their original picks. KnightSlappy with Macalester, hopefan with Principia, and PointSpecial with Polytechnic.

Sorry this didn't come out in table form like Tom had it. Apparently when you copy and paste a table format it doesn't stay in table format form. So sue me. ??? :P



Poster   

   Win   

   Lose   



   Hoops Fan   

   Williams   

   Philly Bible   



   smedindy   

   Wooster   

   Crown   



   Flying Dutch Fan   

   Hope   

     



   Ralph Turner   

   McMurry   

     



   augie77   

   Augustana   

     



   ronk   

   Scranton   

     



   Ethelred   

   Rochester   

   Cazenovia   



   FCGrizzlies   

   Whitworth   

   Green Mountain   



   y_jack_lok   

   Virg. Wes.   

     



   Mr. Ypsi   

   Amherst   

   Oberlin   



   Point Special   

   Wheaton   

   Polytechnic   



   magicman   

   Middlebury   

   Oneonta St.   



   Knightslappy   

   Augsburg   

   Macalester   



   Gregory Sager   

   St. Mary's (MD)   

   Bard   



   hopefan   

   Rust   

   Principia   



   Greek Tragedy   

   St. Thomas   

     



   nwhoops1903   

   Wooster   

   Wiliamette   



   stag44   

   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   

     



   hope52   

   Hope   

   

     


   

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 20, 2011, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:23:19 PM
Bringing this forward and marking off the picks that have lost when they should have won or won when they should have lost. I will leave it up to our honorable commissioner (Greek Tragedy) if he wants to give mulligans to those that were begging for one. Personally I would vote no as we haven't done that in past years. And while I sympathize with Ethelred (who chose a team to be winless, only to discover that they had already won a game) it sounds to me like he was Unready when he made his choice. ;) I think the early losers could make a 2nd choice (if they want to) but they shouldn't be eligible for bragging rights if their 2nd choice eventually wins out over another player's 1st and only choice.

Lots of players still alive in the undefeated pool but only 3 players alive in the winless pool with their original picks. KnightSlappy with Macalester, hopefan with Principia, and PointSpecial with Polytechnic.

Sorry this didn't come out in table form like Tom had it. Apparently when you copy and paste a table format it doesn't stay in table format form. So sue me. ??? :P





I went to watch Hobart/Cazenovia yesterday and I have to say, Caz may well win a few more games than usual this year.  Took Hobart to OT and had every chance to win.  And you're right, by definition I am Unready.  Which suits me nicely.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 20, 2011, 08:02:25 PM
Oy... my winless pick had a tough game today...

http://www.syracuse.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/njit-dominates-diii-polytechnic-78-28/482c1ea27b014662af3aa791b52076c4

They lost 78-28

EDIT:  I didn't realize that NJIT was D-I... still a tough loss, but a more understandable one, perhaps.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
NJIT lost about a bazillion in a row when they first joined D-1. (Acutally, 51 in a row - they had back to back seasons of 0-29 and 1-30).

And, of course, they're in the Great West Conference! Also known as "The Island of Misfit D-1 College Programs"
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2011, 08:27:05 PM
Why don't we do it with those that are left:

Survivors:

Smedindy, nwhoops - Wooster
Flying Dutch Fan, hope52 - Hope
Ralph Turner - McMurry
augie77 - Augustana
ronk - Scranton
Ethelred - Rochester
FC Grizz - Whitworth
y_jack_lok - Va Wesleyan
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
Point Special - Wheaton
magicman - Middlebury
Knightslappy - Augsburg
Greek Tragedy - St. Thomas
stagg44 - CMS

Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin
HoopsFan - *****GORDON********
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2011, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
I think Mr. Ypsi was trying to pull his old Maine-Presque Isle trick on us. He chose them in the winless pool 1 year because he stated that even if they  should get lucky and win a game they were so isolated that no one would know about it. I don't know how isolated Oberlin Ohio is but there was certainly no mention by the man from Ypsilanti that the Yeomen had indeed won their 1st game yesterday as they took down the Earlham Quakers 76-58. If I was going to take a mulligan in the losers pool I'd have to think the Quakers would be a good choice. They lost again today to fall to 0-3. I'm surprised Mr Y didn't have them as his 1st choice as they visited his hometown back on Oct. 30th for an exhibition against Eastern Michigan. After all when you have a chance to see a team that was 2-23 (0-18 in conf.) last year I would think they might be right up there on your list to get a scouting report on. Perhaps he'd still be alive had he done so. ;D   

Dang!  Like I said when I picked, I was going off the top of my head.  I plumb forgot about Earlham (and didn't notice that Oberlin still played them, now that the Quakers have fled to an easier league).  In just about ANY sport, Earlham is a reasonable pick for winless! :P

Do we have a pool for teams who will win only ONE game?! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2011, 11:24:17 PM
Actually, I probably should have gone with Millikin.  In my day, that was the Titans' most hated rival (and back then a powerhouse), and the last couple of years they have fallen to perhaps the worst team the CCIW has fielded in many decades.  I didn't because they have a well-respected new coach, and a 6'9" 'savior' in the fold (and play numerous games against teams even a pathetic CCIW team should beat).  So far, the 6'9" guy has not appeared on the court, they are 0-3, and they may be on their way to a record-setting season of futility.  Too late now for anyone to select what just might turn out to be this season's 'winner'. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 21, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
Quote from: augie77 on November 17, 2011, 09:14:58 AM
Augustana (as reported) for the winners pool;  CCIW rival Millikin for winless



I picked Millikin, but note that it hasn't registered on this site.  Like Mr. Ypsi, I think Millikin has the potential to be a real loser for me.  Their schedule is actually more demanding than during last year's 1-25 campaign.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2011, 09:40:21 AM
I can modify the post above, no problem.

Millikin should hold an invitational with Principia, Polytechnic and Macalester. Who wouldn't want to come to Decatur, IL in December?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2011, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 20, 2011, 08:27:05 PM
Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin

Can I at least get an asterisk for Gordon?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2011, 11:26:10 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2011, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 20, 2011, 08:27:05 PM
Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin

Can I at least get an asterisk for Gordon?

See above  ;D 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2011, 12:21:17 PM
Just one change Smeds.  On Nov. 17th, nwhoops switched his pick to Franklin & Marshall when he discovered you already had Wooster.

Survivors:

Smedindy - Wooster
nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
Flying Dutch Fan, hope52 - Hope
Ralph Turner - McMurry
augie77 - Augustana
ronk - Scranton
Ethelred - Rochester
FC Grizz - Whitworth
y_jack_lok - Va Wesleyan
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
Point Special - Wheaton
magicman - Middlebury
Knightslappy - Augsburg
Greek Tragedy - St. Thomas
stagg44 - CMS

Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin
HoopsFan - *****GORDON********
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2011, 02:02:11 PM
Thanks magicman. Team effort here!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2011, 06:39:21 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 21, 2011, 02:02:11 PM
Thanks magicman. Team effort here!
Yeah, I was a pass first, shoot if I had to point guard, always a team player. ;D Good job cleaning up my listing. 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:18:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
Gregory Sager's winless pick, Bard, defeated Johnson State 78-73.

And his winful pick St. Mary's (Md) lost to Johns Hopkins on Friday 67-66.

C'est la vie.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 22, 2011, 05:35:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:18:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
Gregory Sager's winless pick, Bard, defeated Johnson State 78-73.

And his winful pick St. Mary's (Md) lost to Johns Hopkins on Friday 67-66.

C'est la vie.

I'll let you latch on to my Wheaton pick if ya want Greg...  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2011, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 22, 2011, 05:35:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:18:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
Gregory Sager's winless pick, Bard, defeated Johnson State 78-73.

And his winful pick St. Mary's (Md) lost to Johns Hopkins on Friday 67-66.

C'est la vie.

I'll let you latch on to my Wheaton pick if ya want Greg...  ;)

I'd sooner be staked to an anthill.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2011, 07:14:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2011, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 22, 2011, 05:35:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2011, 07:18:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2011, 01:09:17 AM
Gregory Sager's winless pick, Bard, defeated Johnson State 78-73.

And his winful pick St. Mary's (Md) lost to Johns Hopkins on Friday 67-66.

C'est la vie.

I'll let you latch on to my Wheaton pick if ya want Greg...  ;)

I'd sooner be staked to an anthill.

(Damned senior moments :-[)

I was all set to say "So you are picking ..." and cannot for the life of me remember which school is the Anteaters. :P

Oh, yeah!

So you are picking UC Irvine? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2011, 08:45:09 PM
Ronk's Scranton loses to Misericordia 84-71 in the undefeated pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2011, 10:34:49 PM
Good grief. #1 Va Wesleyan loses the first game it plays and knocks me out of the undefeated contest. Can't say I'm completely unhappy, being a Randolph-Macon fan, but I'm afraid of what this mean in the long run, because I'm sure they will re-group and start to pour it on. Watch out, ODAC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2011, 10:37:51 PM
Down goes Yjak, Down goes Yjak.....along with Va Weslyan.... :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 01:06:39 AM
Way to late for an official pick, but just in case they run the table (backwards ;)), please note that I first mentioned Earlham.  Even off the top of my head, how Oberlin popped up 'ahead' of them, I will never know. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 23, 2011, 03:10:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 01:06:39 AM
Way to late for an official pick, but just in case they run the table (backwards ;)), please note that I first mentioned Earlham.  Even off the top of my head, how Oberlin popped up 'ahead' of them, I will never know. :P

I think I had already beaten you to mentioning them... but (like most people it seems) my official pick decided to win very quickly...
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2011, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
I'll change my winless to conference foe Earlham
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2011, 09:39:26 AM
St. Thomas goes down...dragging me with them.  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 23, 2011, 12:25:58 PM
Bumping this... make changes in case I missed some.

Survivors:

Smedindy - Wooster
nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
Flying Dutch Fan, hope52 - Hope
Ralph Turner - McMurry
augie77 - Augustana
ronk - Scranton
Ethelred - Rochester
FC Grizz - Whitworth
y_jack_lok - Va Wesleyan
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
Point Special - Wheaton
magicman - Middlebury
Knightslappy - Augsburg
Greek Tragedy - St. Thomas
stagg44 - CMS

Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin
HoopsFan - *****GORDON********
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 23, 2011, 05:19:32 PM
Just one change KS, Rochester also lost last night to Nazereth 82-64. The list shrinks a bit more.




Bumping this... make changes in case I missed some.

Survivors:

Smedindy - Wooster
nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
Flying Dutch Fan, hope52 - Hope
Ralph Turner - McMurry
augie77 - Augustana
ronk - Scranton
Ethelred - Rochester
FC Grizz - Whitworth
y_jack_lok - Va Wesleyan
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
Point Special - Wheaton
magicman - Middlebury
Knightslappy - Augsburg
Greek Tragedy - St. Thomas
stagg44 - CMS

Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin
HoopsFan - *****GORDON********




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2011, 01:09:12 PM
Thru Saturday 11/26, 73 undefeated, 70 winless....  I guess a few too many to list for another week or two, unless there is a demand from the fans??????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 27, 2011, 06:35:10 PM
Nah, let it rest for another week or so.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2011, 10:26:12 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 27, 2011, 06:35:10 PM
Nah, let it rest for another week or so.
I am happy with your waiting til after New Years' Day, when you may have some free time.
That is when things get serious for most teams and the Holiday tournaments have culled some more.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 01, 2011, 10:12:04 AM
Gordon won yesterday, so they can be marked off the winless list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 01, 2011, 10:36:57 AM
No more asterisks!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2011, 10:45:59 AM
With Gordon out of the mix, Down to 4 loser candidates.. I'm a little concerned about my team's chances... Principia...  neither of their last two losses were blowouts, and the return of sub/starter Naveed Hasseinmardi permits a six man rotation rather than the ironman 5...  (two other subs off the bench are to be admired for being a part of things, but are not of a skill set that makes for much positive contribution ;))...  the 3 or 4 legit players may be able to put together a win vs the SLIAC level competition.....And they do play with energy... they just run out of gas in the 2nd half....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 01, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
May need to dust off the ol' slowdown game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 01, 2011, 01:09:22 PM
Down goes Hope (albeit to D1 Western Michigan).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2011, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on December 01, 2011, 10:12:04 AM
Gordon won yesterday, so they can be marked off the winless list.

Our league is terrible, they're #8 out of 10 right now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 01, 2011, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2011, 10:45:59 AM
With Gordon out of the mix, Down to 4 loser candidates.. I'm a little concerned about my team's chances... Principia...  neither of their last two losses were blowouts, and the return of sub/starter Naveed Hasseinmardi permits a six man rotation rather than the ironman 5...  (two other subs off the bench are to be admired for being a part of things, but are not of a skill set that makes for much positive contribution ;))...  the 3 or 4 legit players may be able to put together a win vs the SLIAC level competition.....And they do play with energy... they just run out of gas in the 2nd half....

They have nine on the roster - is someone else injured or just permanently bolted to the bench?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2011, 04:36:08 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 01, 2011, 10:36:57 AM
No more asterisks!

Be careful, Hoops Fan has probably got a 3rd choice up his sleeve. ;) Remember he wanted to have a reason to visit this board in January and he didn't make it to December. ;D I wouldn't be surprised to see him pull the 0-5 New England College Pilgrims out of his cornucopia. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2011, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 01, 2011, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2011, 10:45:59 AM
With Gordon out of the mix, Down to 4 loser candidates.. I'm a little concerned about my team's chances... Principia...  neither of their last two losses were blowouts, and the return of sub/starter Naveed Hasseinmardi permits a six man rotation rather than the ironman 5...  (two other subs off the bench are to be admired for being a part of things, but are not of a skill set that makes for much positive contribution ;))...  the 3 or 4 legit players may be able to put together a win vs the SLIAC level competition.....And they do play with energy... they just run out of gas in the 2nd half....

They have nine on the roster - is someone else injured or just permanently bolted to the bench?

9th man appears to have disappeared....  they dressed and played only 7 for several games when Hasseinmardi was out with ankle problems.. and the last two only got several minutes..... 8 dressed when I saw them the other night....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 02, 2011, 10:34:53 AM
Bumping this... make changes in case I missed some.

Survivors:

Smedindy - Wooster
nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
Flying Dutch Fan, hope52 - Hope
Ralph Turner - McMurry
augie77 - Augustana
ronk - Scranton
Ethelred - Rochester

FC Grizz - Whitworth
y_jack_lok - Va Wesleyan
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
Point Special - Wheaton
magicman - Middlebury
Knightslappy - Augsburg
Greek Tragedy - St. Thomas
stagg44 - CMS

Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin
HoopsFan - *****GORDON********
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 02, 2011, 08:11:08 PM
Down I go in the Survivor.... Wheaton had a 1 point lead and the ball and threw it away... and Hope sank two FT's for the W.

>:(


I can still be the biggest loser though!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2011, 11:28:45 PM
Augustana went down tonite to Wash U.  Reports are that they simply did not effectively use their humungous size. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2011, 11:31:28 PM
I am toast.

We got blown out by UT-Dallas on the back end of the long road trip.

8 hour drive to Ozarks for Thursday night game and the 5 hours back to UT-Dallas for today.

The road in the ASC (and the SCAC) is a killer.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 03, 2011, 11:35:02 PM
The road is a killer anywhere. It could be just as bad being stuck in city traffic driving to the game and playing in front of a small, disinterested crowd.

At least on the 8-hour roadie you can sleep, study, sing "Try a Little Tenderness" and ask Crash about the show...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2011, 12:20:47 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 03, 2011, 11:35:02 PM
The road is a killer anywhere. It could be just as bad being stuck in city traffic driving to the game and playing in front of a small, disinterested crowd.

At least on the 8-hour roadie you can sleep, study, sing "Try a Little Tenderness" and ask Crash about the show...
One of my favorite movies!

His teaching Nuke LaLoosh the "cliches" permanently ruined any color guys routine for me forever!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2011, 12:31:58 AM
Bumping this up.... Wheaton, Augie, and McMurry fall off since the last posting

Survivors:

Smedindy - Wooster
nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
Flying Dutch Fan, hope52 - Hope
Ralph Turner - McMurry
augie77 - Augustana
ronk - Scranton
Ethelred - Rochester
FC Grizz - Whitworth
y_jack_lok - Va Wesleyan
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
Point Special - Wheaton
magicman - Middlebury
Knightslappy - Augsburg
Greek Tragedy - St. Thomas
stagg44 - CMS
Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin
HoopsFan - *****GORDON********
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 04, 2011, 12:38:59 AM
Oops, Gordon won magicman!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2011, 12:44:19 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2011, 12:38:59 AM
Oops, Gordon won magicman!

Yah. Didn't look at the stinkers. I'm making a new page with just the guys that are still alive as we speak.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2011, 12:48:39 AM
The Survivors left in the Survivor's Pool:


Smedindy - Wooster
nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
FC Grizz - Whitworth
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
magicman - Middlebury
Knightslappy - Augsburg
stagg44 - CMS


Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2011, 03:14:53 AM
At this rate maybe we'll have the winners decided by the new year :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2011, 05:14:51 AM
Score of interest this weekend...

Vassar  79   Sarah Lawrence   13

now granted, Sarah Lawrence is not D3  but....

Suppose Coach Arsenault is trying to line them up for Grinnell?...    :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2011, 09:34:51 AM
I looked at the box, because, well, you know...

A. First thing I thought was if that was the score at the poetry slam?
B. Sarah Lawrence won two games?
C. Sarah Lawrence shot 5-43. You can't do that on purpose!
D. Senior captain Nicholas Justiz was held scoreless by Sarah Lawrence. Sure he played just six minutes, but the two bench stragglers who only played five netted a couple. Think Justiz will run laps today?
E. When does Sarah Lawrence face Unity?  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2011, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 05, 2011, 09:34:51 AM
I looked at the box, because, well, you know...

A. First thing I thought was if that was the score at the poetry slam?

+1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2011, 08:18:34 AM
Polytechnic shows they are a far stronger candidate for the winless pool than I thought... they lose by 20 to Yeshiva who came in to the game with a 1-6 record....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 06, 2011, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 06, 2011, 08:18:34 AM
Polytechnic shows they are a far stronger candidate for the winless pool than I thought... they lose by 20 to Yeshiva who came in to the game with a 1-6 record....

Woo hoo!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 06, 2011, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 06, 2011, 08:18:34 AM
Polytechnic shows they are a far stronger candidate for the winless pool than I thought... they lose by 20 to Yeshiva who came in to the game with a 1-6 record....
Yeah, I think PointSpecial picked himself a winner, I mean loser. But Milikin will be close behind.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2011, 05:16:28 PM
Augie 77 was probably sweatin' bullets over Milikin's close loss to Aurora......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 06, 2011, 10:09:06 PM
Millikin was tied with Wabash in the second half. I do think they may beat Cornell (IA), at least.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 06, 2011, 10:11:26 PM
BTW, I am actively rooting for my departure from this contest on Saturday, since my LGs face Wooster. I believe in the integrity of the Survivor Pool not to beg to change my pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2011, 11:37:56 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 06, 2011, 10:11:26 PM
BTW, I am actively rooting for my departure from this contest on Saturday, since my LGs face Wooster. I believe in the integrity of the Survivor Pool not to beg to change my pick.

Moot point.  We wouldn't let ya anyway! 8-)

Look at it this way - you can't lose on Saturday: either your team wins or your pick survives! ;D

Of course, if you're a glass half-empty guy, you can't win: either your team loses or your pick dies. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2011, 02:52:59 AM
Prin stays in the hunt with a convincing 77-48 loss to Mizzou Baptist....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Billy Baller on December 07, 2011, 05:12:29 AM
How does this work?  Could i pick teams or is it too late?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 07, 2011, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Billy Baller on December 07, 2011, 05:12:29 AM
How does this work?  Could i pick teams or is it too late?

Unfortunately Billy you're about 3 weeks too late. But check this board next year right before the season starts (Nov 15th).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 08:27:31 AM
Billy,

Before the season, some of us decided who will be the last undefeated (and winless) team in D-3 land, and then we keep track of that.

As the season goes along, this board morphs into discussions of who is still undefeated, undefeated vs. D-3, winless and winless vs. D-3. Lots of love for each type of team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2011, 09:03:14 AM
in other words Billy... have you ever heard of Maine Presque Isle... probably not.... but that school has achieved cult status with readers of this board.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 09:58:42 AM
But UMPI won't be mentioned here besides wistful nostalgia. They're 2-3 against D-3 teams as they march onto their non-D3 conference schedule. And I don't see a game against Unity on the schedule, either.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Billy Baller on December 07, 2011, 04:34:49 PM
Well, since i can't get an "official" pick in, i'll just say "unofficially" that I don't think NYU-Poly will win a game this year and William Paterson is my undefeated pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 07, 2011, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: Billy Baller on December 07, 2011, 04:34:49 PM
Well, since i can't get an "official" pick in, i'll just say "unofficially" that I don't think NYU-Poly will win a game this year and William Paterson is my undefeated pick.

Billy,
Good Choice. However, that team is already owned by PointSpecial, who I think will probably win the losers side of the survivor pool. Usually we choose a team that no one else already has dibs on. It's not a hard and fast rule but it's better if you win and have sole bragging rights than if you share the podium with 2 or 3 other guys. And it really doesn't mean much when you choose a team a third of the way into the season. ;D I'm sure a bunch of us wish we had chosen Polytechnic, now that they're still winless and our picks have gotten lucky. ;) But by all means come and join us next year. 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 07, 2011, 07:22:26 PM
... I'll go 75/25 on the winnings with you, Billy Baller, if you cover half the buy-in...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 07, 2011, 09:54:23 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 07, 2011, 07:22:26 PM
... I'll go 75/25 on the winnings with you, Billy Baller, if you cover half the buy-in...

Thats fair PS after all the buy in was only $100 and the winnings are priceless. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 07, 2011, 10:23:39 PM
Augsburg is downed by Gustavus Adolphus 82-80, and so I bow out of the less fun half of the contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 10:27:20 PM
And I don't have to worry about split loyalties Saturday since Witt took care of Wooster tonight on a buzzer-beater.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2011, 01:39:40 AM
Wooster and Augsburg fall since the last updating

Survivors:

Smedindy - Wooster
nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
Flying Dutch Fan, hope52 - Hope
Ralph Turner - McMurry
augie77 - Augustana
ronk - Scranton
Ethelred - Rochester
FC Grizz - Whitworth
y_jack_lok - Va Wesleyan
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
Point Special - Wheaton
magicman - Middlebury
Knightslappy - Augsburg
Greek Tragedy - St. Thomas
stagg44 - CMS
Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin
HoopsFan - *****GORDON********
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2011, 03:55:49 AM
The Survivors left in the Survivor's Pool:

Shortened version

nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
FC Grizz - Whitworth
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
magicman - Middlebury
stagg44 - CMS
Hugenerd-MIT

Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin

Edited to add Hugenerd's MIT pick from Nov. 17th.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 08, 2011, 08:42:27 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 08, 2011, 03:55:49 AM

The Survivors left in the Survivor's Pool:

Shortened version

nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
FC Grizz - Whitworth
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
magicman - Middlebury
stagg44 - CMS


Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin

Final Four baby! Macalester's next opponent is Caltech. Should the Scots lose, they'll earn the great distinction of having lost to Crown and Caltech in the same season (although Caltech looks to be much much much improved).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2011, 10:50:20 AM
can someone give a quick tutorial on how to get excel spreadsheet columns to line up neatly on a post... I was going to give the first list of undefeateds and winless, but did not have time to correct the mess that copied over.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 09, 2011, 11:37:57 AM
There isn't really a quick and easy way to do it unless you use formulas in your excel sheet to output your table with the table code:
[table]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


if you did that, then you could copy/paste directly here.

To do this in excel, move over a few columns from where your data is and type the following code into the first cell:

="[tr][td]"&A1&"[/td]"

where A1 is the first row in the first column of the data you wish to copy here. In the column next to that, type (unless you only want two columns, in which case jump down to the final column code):

"[td]"&B1&"[/td]"

where B1 is the first row of the second column of your data. Repeat this code for any 'middle columns'. For your final column, use the code:

"[td]"&C1&"[/td][/tr]"

"fill down" these formulas so that it includes each row. Then you can copy/paste the results directly here (you may need to surround the whole thing with the [table ][/table ] (without the extra space at the end) command).


It's also possible to paste your data around the teletype command: [tt][/tt] but this requires that all of the cells in each column have the same number of characters.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2011, 02:05:48 PM
slappy... you're a real buddy for going thru that... didn't realize it would be that complicated... I'll give it a try this weekend, or may have my IS wiz son look at it and help me out....   thanks VERY much
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: toooldtoplay on December 09, 2011, 04:55:09 PM
I am very disappointed. I would have had MIT in the undefeated pool but left that to Hugenerd. What happened?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: toooldtoplay on December 09, 2011, 04:55:09 PM
I am very disappointed. I would have had MIT in the undefeated pool but left that to Hugenerd. What happened?

I was a couple days late. I posted on November 17 and the deadline was the 15th (see my original post below), so it appears my pick is not being considered for the official tally. No big deal, though, as long as MIT keeps winning I'm happy.

Quote from: Hugenerd on November 17, 2011, 11:58:49 PM
I know I'm late, but since no one has taken them, if its alright with you guys, I'll make my usual MIT pick for the undefeated list (as I have for the last few years).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 09, 2011, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on December 09, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: toooldtoplay on December 09, 2011, 04:55:09 PM
I am very disappointed. I would have had MIT in the undefeated pool but left that to Hugenerd. What happened?

I was a couple days late. I posted on November 17 and the deadline was the 15th (see my original post below), so it appears my pick is not being considered for the official tally. No big deal, though, as long as MIT keeps winning I'm happy.

Quote from: Hugenerd on November 17, 2011, 11:58:49 PM
I know I'm late, but since no one has taken them, if its alright with you guys, I'll make my usual MIT pick for the undefeated list (as I have for the last few years).

Hugenerd,
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and add your pick to the list that's posted up above. (Reply # 3013, 12-8 at 3:55:49) You should have been added and I think it just slipped by everybody. And you're right you have had them for the past few years so it's not like you're jumping on the bandwagon now. ;) I'm not even going to give you an asterisk. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2011, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 09, 2011, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on December 09, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: toooldtoplay on December 09, 2011, 04:55:09 PM
I am very disappointed. I would have had MIT in the undefeated pool but left that to Hugenerd. What happened?

I was a couple days late. I posted on November 17 and the deadline was the 15th (see my original post below), so it appears my pick is not being considered for the official tally. No big deal, though, as long as MIT keeps winning I'm happy.

Quote from: Hugenerd on November 17, 2011, 11:58:49 PM
I know I'm late, but since no one has taken them, if its alright with you guys, I'll make my usual MIT pick for the undefeated list (as I have for the last few years).

Hugenerd,
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and add your pick to the list that's posted up above. (Reply # 3013, 12-8 at 3:55:49) You should have been added and I think it just slipped by everybody. And you're right you have had them for the past few years so it's not like you're jumping on the bandwagon now. ;) I'm not even going to give you an asterisk. ;D

Thanks magic
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2011, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2011, 10:50:20 AM
can someone give a quick tutorial on how to get excel spreadsheet columns to line up neatly on a post... I was going to give the first list of undefeateds and winless, but did not have time to correct the mess that copied over.....
Depending on how much you're copying and how much effort you want to put into it... here's how I do it for the football pick 'em
First I make sure the Toggle View button (far right button on the 2nd row with a red A) is unclicked, then I paste my spreadsheet stuff. Then I make the font for all of it courier so the spacing for everything character is even (although using bold can make it slightly off). It is helpful at this point to click the Toggle View button on to get a more accurate view of spacing while you're working with it. Then all you have to do is add/delete spaces to get everything lined up properly. Be sure to check occasionally with the preview button just to make sure it looks right (sometimes the post likes to add a space at the beginning of a line or not start a new line)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nwhoops1903 on December 10, 2011, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
Speaking of asterisks and having a team for a few years.... FCGrizz taking my Pirates  >:( almost pushed me off D3hoops.com boards entirely  ;) (and on my birthday to boot), luckily F&M  :-* are keeping me on the ledge.   :-\

should Whitworth outlast F&M it might be an unstoppable -1 slide for Grizz.   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on December 10, 2011, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
Speaking of asterisks and having a team for a few years.... FCGrizz taking my Pirates  >:( almost pushed me off D3hoops.com boards entirely  ;) (and on my birthday to boot), luckily F&M  :-* are keeping me on the ledge.   :-\

should Whitworth outlast F&M it might be an unstoppable -1 slide for Grizz.   ;D

+1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2011, 09:33:59 PM
Just bringing this forward since Mr Ypsi was shown the door as his Amherst Lord Jeffs took a pounding from a 5-5 Brandeis team 76-61. Now that's a shocker. :o

Hugenerd almost got eliminated a day after we let him in, as his MIT Engineers were tied with Tufts at 56 with 1:17 to play. But MIT's Kates scored a bucket and the Jumbos turned it over on their next possession. They had to foul and Kates delivered another dagger when he hit both free throws with just seconds left and the Engineers squeak out a 60-56 win.

Whitworth falls and FCGrizzlies is eliminated.

The Survivors left in the Survivor's Pool:

Shortened version

nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
FC Grizz - Whitworth
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
magicman - Middlebury
stagg44 - CMS
Hugenerd-MIT

Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin

Edited to add Hugenerd's MIT pick from Nov. 17th.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2011, 11:44:13 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2011, 09:33:59 PM
Just bringing this forward since Mr Ypsi was shown the door as his Amherst Lord Jeffs took a pounding from a 5-5 Brandeis team 76-61. Now that's a shocker. :o

Hugenerd almost got eliminated a day after we let him in, as his MIT Engineers were tied with Tufts at 56 with 1:17 to play. But MIT's Kates scored a bucket and the Jumbos turned it over on their next possession. They had to foul and Kates delivered another dagger when he hit both free throws with just seconds left and the Engineers squeak out a 60-56 win.

The Survivors left in the Survivor's Pool:

Shortened version

nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
FC Grizz - Whitworth
Mr. Ypsi - Amherst
magicman - Middlebury
stagg44 - CMS
Hugenerd-MIT

Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin

Edited to add Hugenerd's MIT pick from Nov. 17th.

WOW - that IS a shocker!  I thought it was close to a 50-50 chance that you and I would be going head-to-head on Feb. 11!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 11, 2011, 12:06:15 AM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on December 10, 2011, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
Speaking of asterisks and having a team for a few years.... FCGrizz taking my Pirates  >:( almost pushed me off D3hoops.com boards entirely  ;) (and on my birthday to boot), luckily F&M  :-* are keeping me on the ledge.   :-\

should Whitworth outlast F&M it might be an unstoppable -1 slide for Grizz.   ;D
Whitworth falls to Montana Tech 83-73 :-\
Looks like I don't have to worry about that smiting now :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nwhoops1903 on December 11, 2011, 12:24:24 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 11, 2011, 12:06:15 AM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on December 10, 2011, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I'll take the Whitworth Pirates to be unbeaten and on the other side of the country I'll go Green Mountain Eagles to go winless
Speaking of asterisks and having a team for a few years.... FCGrizz taking my Pirates  >:( almost pushed me off D3hoops.com boards entirely  ;) (and on my birthday to boot), luckily F&M  :-* are keeping me on the ledge.   :-\

should Whitworth outlast F&M it might be an unstoppable -1 slide for Grizz.   ;D
Whitworth falls to Montana Tech 83-73 :-\
Looks like I don't have to worry about that smiting now :P
Whitworth loses at HOME (streak snapped at 40) to Montana Tech (NAIA) by 10, 83-73.  Had a 2nd half lead and went cold for 5 minutes. A 14-0 run put the Pirates down 9 with 6 minutes to play.  Had it within 4 under a minute but MT hit free throws.

Go F&M!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 11, 2011, 08:25:18 AM
Survivors Pool is now down to the Final Four in both categories.

Undefeated:

nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall   Next game January 2nd vs Misericordia
magicman - Middlebury  Next game December 29th vs Curry at Salem St. Tournament
stagg44 - CMS    Next game December 30th vs Babson Beavers
Hugenerd-MIT  Next game December 14th vs Wheelock



Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic  Next game December 12th at Sage
Knightslappy - Macalester  Next Game December 12th vs Caltech
hopefan - Principia     Next game January 6th vs Spalding
augie77 - Millikin   Next game December 18th at Coe
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 11, 2011, 11:02:33 AM
Wow, a Principia / Spalding pillow fight! I'll bring the popcorn!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 11, 2011, 08:25:18 AM
Survivors Pool is now down to the Final Four in both categories.
Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic  Next game December 12th at Russell-Sage


I'm sure the team that Polytechnic is playing is not the team from Women's college Russel Sage from Troy, NY (ahhh, the memories), but rather the team from coed Sage College in Albany NY  ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 11:51:51 AM

23 undefeateds thru 12/10

St. Joseph's (L.I.)           SKY         ATL        7   0
Medaille                       AMCC        EAST      8   0
Hartwick                          E8          EAST     9   0
New York University       UAA         EAST     5   0   
Wabash                        NCAC          GL       8   0
Bethany                         PrAC          GL       8   0
Franklin and Marshall      CC            MA      9   0
Cabrini                           CSAC          MA      7   0     
Catholic                          LAND         MA       8   0
Lycoming                       MACC         MA       8   0
Transylvania                  HCAC         MW      6   0
Grinnell                           MWC         MW      8   0
Edgewood                     NATHC        MW      9   0
Middlebury                    NESCAC        NE      7   0
MIT                               NEWMAC       NE     11   0
Hardin-Simmons             ASC         SOUTH    7   0
Mary Hardin-Baylor         ASC         SOUTH    6   0
Birmingham-Southern    SCAC        SOUTH   7   0
Emory                             UAA         SOUTH    8   0   
Dubuque                        IIAC         WEST      6   0   
Puget Sound                  NWC        WEST      8   0
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps SCIAC     WEST      9   0
UW-Whitewater              WIAC       WEST     8   0 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 12:01:38 PM

thru 12/10   21 loveable losers..... (no, I won't refer to them as 'stinkers')

Polytechnic                 SKY         ATL       0   8
Elmira                          E8        EAST       0   8
SUNY-Cobleskill         NEAC       EAST      0   10
Franciscan (Ohio)     AMCC         GL         0   7
Penn State-Altoona   AMCC        MA        0   8
Baptist Bible              CSAC         MA        0   10
Lancaster Bible         NEAC         MA        0   7
Penn State-Berks      NEAC         MA        0   6
Millikin                       CCIW        MW       0   7
Earlham                    HCAC        MW        0   9
Knox                          MWC        MW        0   5
Principia                    SLIAC        MW        0   9
U of New England      CCC          NE         0   6
Lyndon State             NAC          NE         0   9
Huntingdon              GSAC       SOUTH     0   6
Berry                          IND        SOUTH     0   6
Southwestern          SCAC       SOUTH     0   8
Macalester                MIAC       WEST       0   7
St. Mary's (Minn.)      MIAC        WEST      0   8
Bethany Lutheran    UMAC        WEST      0   7
Martin Luther           UMAC        WEST      0   7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 12:06:54 PM
Looking at the loser's next games, I'm feeling very good about my standing with Prin... no game to win for almost a month, and 3 others remaining each have a good shot at elimination in their next game.... I may sit back and enjoy a victory... er, ah.. loser's cigar.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 11, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 11, 2011, 08:25:18 AM
Survivors Pool is now down to the Final Four in both categories.
Stinkers:

Point Special - Polytechnic  Next game December 12th at Russell-Sage


I'm sure the team that Polytechnic is playing is not the team from Women's college Russel Sage from Troy, NY (ahhh, the memories), but rather the team from coed Sage College in Albany NY  ;) ;)

Well, my girl friend back in the 60's went to Russell-Sage and so a few brain synapses must have fired up the old memories. When I went to Polytechnic's website (because they apparently never gave their schedule to D3hoops and a blank page is all that shows up) I saw where they were playing "The Sage Colleges". It immediately brought back a few memories, one of which was trying to keep the RPI guys (like you ;)) away from my girl while she was down there and I was at Potsdam. The RPI guys won the battle but I won the war as my new girl friend became my wife and we're still happily married after 39 years. My old girl friend divorced the RPI guy a few years later and has been through 1 or 2 more husbands since. ;D   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 11, 2011, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 12:06:54 PM
Looking at the loser's next games, I'm feeling very good about my standing with Prin... no game to win for almost a month, and 3 others remaining each have a good shot at elimination in their next game.... I may sit back and enjoy a victory... er, ah.. loser's cigar.

I predict Prin will win before Millikin.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 11, 2011, 02:42:33 PM
I dunno. Millikin hung with Wabash for 2/3 of the game. I think they can beat Cornell (IA).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 03:18:03 PM
I agree with Smed...  I'm hanging my hat on Cornell, Iowa to ruin Millikin's streak... otherwise, My Prin could be in trouble if we get to January, as Prin COULD be competitive wit a couple of the SLIAC schools.....    However, history shows us thatgoing against the Yjak's prognostications is a dangerous ill advised strategy
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 06:18:36 PM
Nobody moves off the perfect lists today... 
Penn State Berks barely stays winless losing by 2 to Gallaudet 71-69

Medaille stays undefeated and Franciscan winless... Medaille wins 67-39


Several challenges tomorrow 12/12

Undefeated Bethany vs Frostburg
Undefeated Catholic vs Mt Aloysius
Undefeated St Joes LI vs Ramapo

Winless Macalester vs Caltech
Winless Martin Luther vs St Johns Minn

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dahlby on December 11, 2011, 06:27:33 PM
Unusual position for Caltech to be in.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 06:33:14 PM
Quote from: dahlby on December 11, 2011, 06:27:33 PM
Unusual position for Caltech to be in.

Yes... they were a regular on this list for many years
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 12, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
Caltech 71, Macalester 65

The Scots remain winless. They have two games left on their schedule against (currently winless) St. Mary's (Minn.), but other than that, it will be difficult for them to find a win. They've already lost to Crown and Caltech.

(You haven't lived until you've watched Caltech vs. Macalester on live video)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 12, 2011, 09:53:18 PM
They could sneak up on Hamline.

Though I doubt if they will stop their streak their next game. They face River Falls. Ooperdy!  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 12, 2011, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2011, 06:33:14 PM
Quote from: dahlby on December 11, 2011, 06:27:33 PM
Unusual position for Caltech to be in.

Yes... they were a regular on this list for many years

But now they are 4-2!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 12, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
Now on the football boards, there's a doofus saying that Mt. Union should move to D-2 just for football or the NCAA should allow flexible scheduling so Mt. Union can play better competition (never mind...well...a lot of things about D-3 philosophy and D-3 conferences and just damn common sense...) but I give you this.

If Cal Tech can be 4-2 in hoops, then Mt. Union and Whitewater CAN be beaten in football!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2011, 11:10:22 PM
St Joe's LI loses close to Ramapo, reducing the undefeated list to 22.... Bethany stays perfect with a 1 point win over Frostburg, and Catholic scores triple digits to beat Mt Aloysius....  Martin Luther stays winless easily, clobbered by the Johnnies... still 21 teams winless


Tuesday's games :
Winless Knox vs Lawrence
Undefeated NYU vs Mass College
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2011, 05:20:19 AM
Knox is hard and winless no more!!!  stuns Lawrence 71-68, reducing winless list to 20

NYU beats Mass College  78-55 to remain undefeated...



Todays games :

Winless Berry at D2 West Georgia
Winless St Mary's Minn vs NAIA Viterbo
undefeated MIT hosts Wheelock
undefeated UW Whitewater at UW Stevens Point   (Point is 6-2)    pretty big game in the WIAC
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2011, 06:54:10 AM
Stevens Point takes Whitewater off Undefeated List   79-77!!!!
MIT stays perfect with win over Wheelock

Berry crushed by D2 West Georgia, St Mary's comes close, but stays on the winless list losing by 4 to Viterbo

21 undefeated, 20 winless

tonite :

undefeated Bethany vs Olivet
Undefeated Mary Hardin Baylor vs Mississippi College
winless Franciscan vs Ohio U Eastern
winless Bethany Luteran vs Augsburg
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2011, 04:45:08 AM
In what someone somewhere must consider a HUGE upset, Bethany Lutheran beats Augsburg 79-77 to come off the winless list!!!!!

Bethany and Mary Hardin both win by double digits to stay unbeaten.... Franciscan stays close to Ohio U Eastern, but loses 59-54 to stay winless

21 undefeated, 19 winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 16, 2011, 09:48:14 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 16, 2011, 04:45:08 AM
In what someone somewhere must consider a HUGE upset, Bethany Lutheran beats Augsburg 79-77 to come off the winless list!!!!!

Bethany and Mary Hardin both win by double digits to stay unbeaten.... Franciscan stays close to Ohio U Eastern, but loses 59-54 to stay winless

21 undefeated, 19 winless

What is going on with the MIAC? They were one of the top few conferences last year, but they've been mediocre or worse so far this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ziggy on December 16, 2011, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 16, 2011, 09:48:14 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 16, 2011, 04:45:08 AM
In what someone somewhere must consider a HUGE upset, Bethany Lutheran beats Augsburg 79-77 to come off the winless list!!!!!

Bethany and Mary Hardin both win by double digits to stay unbeaten.... Franciscan stays close to Ohio U Eastern, but loses 59-54 to stay winless

21 undefeated, 19 winless

What is going on with the MIAC? They were one of the top few conferences last year, but they've been mediocre or worse so far this season.

I'll go against Carleton every time they show up on the National pick 'em league slate for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 16, 2011, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: ziggy on December 16, 2011, 09:52:05 AM
I'll go against Carleton every time they show up on the National pick 'em league slate for the rest of the year.

I'm guessing we won't see them on the pick 'em league slate for the rest of the year. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 17, 2011, 10:13:13 AM
#16 BSU falls to Centre, for their first loss of the year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2011, 10:18:47 AM
Southwestern and Martin Luther both down by double digits last night..   staying winless

BUT, in a big SCAC game, Centre beats undefeated No 16 Birmingham Southern 72-65..... reduces our undefeated list to 20.....

Today:
undefeated Catholic vs Gallaudet
undefeated Mary Hardin Baylor vs Louisiana Coll
undefeated Dubuque vs Marian
undefeated Lycoming vs Mt Aloysius
undefeated Puget Sound vs New Hope Christian
undefeated Transylvania vs Bluffton

winless Huntingdon vs Rhodes
Winless Earlham vs Anderson
winless Berry vs Chicago

None of our remaining contest teams are in action today
nwhoops - Franklin & Marshall
magicman - Middlebury
stagg44 - CMS
Hugenerd-MIT

Point Special - Polytechnic
Knightslappy - Macalester
hopefan - Principia
augie77 - Millikin

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2011, 06:58:11 PM
Transy... GONE    loses to Bluffton   76 - 68

19 undefeated, 19 winless!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 17, 2011, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2011, 06:58:11 PM
Transy... GONE    loses to Bluffton   76 - 68

19 undefeated, 19 winless!!!!

The scores must have originally been reported incorrectly, the score page now has Transy winning 76-68, and still undefeated at 7-0.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2011, 12:03:07 AM
Quote from: Hugenerd on December 17, 2011, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2011, 06:58:11 PM
Transy... GONE    loses to Bluffton   76 - 68

19 undefeated, 19 winless!!!!

The scores must have originally been reported incorrectly, the score page now has Transy winning 76-68, and still undefeated at 7-0.

TEASE!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 18, 2011, 12:33:18 AM
Scores from Saturday's games:  No winners lose and no losers win

Today:
undefeated Catholic 80 vs Gallaudet  65
undefeated Mary Hardin Baylor 84  vs  Louisiana Coll  71
undefeated Lycoming 116 vs Mt Aloysius  101
undefeated Puget Sound 79 vs New Hope Christian 57
undefeated Transylvania 76 vs Bluffton 58

winless Huntingdon 59 vs Rhodes 84
winless Earlham 61 vs Anderson  79
winless Berry 52 vs Chicago  80


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2011, 01:29:50 AM
Well   there will be movement on our list in at least one game tomorrow!!!   
Winless Berry vs Winless Huntingdon ....  our first perfect matchup since we started listing teams!!!

and in another that should be interesting.. Wisconsin Stevens Point, who just eliminated Whitewater from our list, plays undefeated Edgewood

also
winless Southwestern vs U of Dallas
winless Penn State Berks vs Albright
winless Millikin (still in contest for Augie77) vs Coe

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2011, 01:56:52 AM
HOLD THE PRESSES 

The Southwestern-Dallas game originally scheduled for 12/19 was rescheduled for 12/18!!!

AND     winless Southwestern (with noted alum Ms Yjak rooting for Victory all the way from St Louis), comes off the Winless list, defeating University of Dallas  63-52

20 undefeated, 18 winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 18, 2011, 08:21:59 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2011, 01:56:52 AM
HOLD THE PRESSES 

The Southwestern-Dallas game originally scheduled for 12/19 was rescheduled for 12/18!!!

AND     winless Southwestern (with noted alum Ms Yjak rooting for Victory all the way from St Louis), comes off the Winless list, defeating University of Dallas  63-52

20 undefeated, 18 winless

Wow!! I wonder how big the crowd was that turned out for this early morning contest. I've heard of Midnight Madness for the first day of practice but I didn't know they played a game at that time of day, I mean night. Or did you mean the 17th. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2011, 08:38:58 AM
Magic... ;D ;D ;D...  Didn't they ever teach you that Einstein stuff up at P-Burg....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2011, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 18, 2011, 08:21:59 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2011, 01:56:52 AM
HOLD THE PRESSES 

The Southwestern-Dallas game originally scheduled for 12/19 was rescheduled for 12/18!!!

AND     winless Southwestern (with noted alum Ms Yjak rooting for Victory all the way from St Louis), comes off the Winless list, defeating University of Dallas  63-52

20 undefeated, 18 winless

Wow!! I wonder how big the crowd was that turned out for this early morning contest. I've heard of Midnight Madness for the first day of practice but I didn't know they played a game at that time of day, I mean night. Or did you mean the 17th. ;)
UDallas' crowds can be small by D-III standards.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2011, 05:44:05 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2011, 01:56:52 AM

winless Southwestern (with noted alum Ms Yjak rooting for Victory all the way from St Louis), comes off the Winless list, defeating University of Dallas  63-52


She had no clue this game was being played.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
Coe beats Millikin 75-42. Can Millikin beat Cornell tomorrow? If not it is looking like they could be winless for the season. I've looked at Principia's schedule for a possible win and while I can't identify a specific game, I think there is one there. But if I am wrong, the winless competition could end in at least a two way tie.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 18, 2011, 06:52:51 PM
Down goes Edgewood

UWSP beats their second undefeated foe in as many games, winning @ Edgewood 81-70
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2011, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
Coe beats Millikin 75-42. Can Millikin beat Cornell tomorrow? If not it is looking like they could be winless for the season. I've looked at Principia's schedule for a possible win and while I can't identify a specific game, I think there is one there. But if I am wrong, the winless competition could end in at least a two way tie.

According to Massey, they have a 12% chance against Spalding, 15% against Webster and a 22% chance against Fontbonne.

Millikin has a 15% chance against Coe, a 14% chance against North Central and a 23% chance against North Park.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2011, 05:47:00 PM
Huntingdon lose the battle of winless, winning over Berry 79-63... Huntingdon falls off the winless list

So with Edgewood losing to Stevens Point, we are at 19 undefeated, 17 winless

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2011, 06:02:03 PM
To update our list of perfection....

Undefeated:

Medaille
Hartwick
New York University
Wabash
Bethany
Franklin and Marshall    (nwhoops)
Cabrini
Catholic
Lycoming
Transylvania
Grinnell
Middlebury     (Magicman)
MIT           (hugenerd)
Hardin-Simmons
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Emory
Dubuque
Puget Sound
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps      (stag44)


Winless:

Polytechnic       (pointspecial)
Elmira
SUNY-Cobleskill
Franciscan (Ohio)
Penn State-Altoona
Baptist Bible
Lancaster Bible
Penn State-Berks
Millikin        (augie77)
Earlham
Principia         (hopefan)
University of New England
Lyndon State
Berry
Macalester           (knightslappy)
St. Mary's (Minn.)
Martin Luther

I'll also introduce that small group of extras who are perfect only against D3...

Undefeated against D3 only  (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope
Whitworth
Nebraska Wesleyan

Winless against D3 only  (with a win against non d3 ) (I was stunned at the number on this list)

Goucher
Linfield
Piedmont
Maranatha Baptist
Alma
Presentation
La Verne
Cal Lutheran
Averett
Colby
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2011, 05:07:10 AM
Millikin watches Cornell miss a shot for the win...  beats Cornell 58-57....  off our list of winless, and taking Augie77 out of our contest... 3 left in the winless contest:

Polytechnic  (Pointspecial)
Principia   (hopefan)
Macalester  (knightslappy)


in addition, I note an earlier score was originally reported backwards and later corrected... Dubuque was given credit for a 77-74 win over NAIA-d2 Clarke, but actually lost... they fall from our undefeated list to our undefeated vs D3 only list.  Dubuque also lost to Ashford last night, but remain on the undefeated vs d3 list.

Hardin Simmons squeaks be McMurry 81-78 to stay undefeated, Earlham loses by 21 to Kenyon to stay winless.

Undefeated...18
Winless ....16
Undefeated vs D3... 4
Winless vs D3 only... 10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kyballr on December 21, 2011, 05:45:01 PM
Don Lane Classic @ Transylvania   7 pm
Wabash (9-0) vs host Transy (8-0)

live stats
http://www.sidearmstats.com/transy/mbball/index.htm

live video
http://tupioneers.nmtvsports.com/main.php?eventId=21802
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 22, 2011, 12:22:15 AM
Wabash and Whitworth fall from their respective lists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 22, 2011, 10:30:26 AM
The undefeated and the winless always seem to balance out. Zen, or something, or other...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2011, 11:15:14 AM
Smed.. the perfect Bell Curve..... ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
Alma beats Finlandia 103-94, to leap off the winless vs D3 list....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 22, 2011, 09:37:23 PM
It won't be that long before a true D-3 pillow fight. PSU - Altoona (#410 Massey) at Franciscan (#412 and last in Massey) on January 12. Will that make the pick 'em slate? Heh...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 22, 2011, 09:40:59 PM
That's not even a pillow fight. That's two toddlers swinging loofahs at each other.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2011, 09:43:25 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 22, 2011, 09:37:23 PM
It won't be that long before a true D-3 pillow fight. PSU - Altoona (#410 Massey) at Franciscan (#412 and last in Massey) on January 12. Will that make the pick 'em slate? Heh...

Thanks for the tip - that's my week for the slate, so don't be surprised! 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 22, 2011, 10:43:14 PM
Puget Sound emphatically dropped by Redlands from the undefeated list, 90-72.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 22, 2011, 11:15:35 PM
That win has soooo many implications that Redlands may not even be aware of yet!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2011, 07:24:42 AM
I'm missing you on that comment Smed... you'll need to elaborate!!!!   ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on December 23, 2011, 09:11:12 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 23, 2011, 07:24:42 AM
I'm missing you on that comment Smed... you'll need to elaborate!!!!   ???

See the D3 Championship BeltTM page.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2011, 03:17:04 PM
Smed   Mailsy... NOW I get it.... WORLDLY
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2011, 02:23:03 AM
Hardin-Simmons falls off the list with a loss to Gustavus Adolphus at the D3hoops.com Classic. Transylvania (10-0) survives a scare from La Verne (which is winless versus Division III) in overtime to stay on the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2011, 04:18:52 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 29, 2011, 02:23:03 AM
Hardin-Simmons falls off the list with a loss to Gustavus Adolphus at the D3hoops.com Classic. Transylvania (10-0) survives a scare from La Verne (which is winless versus Division III) in overtime to stay on the list.

And to round it out, Hartwick stays unbeaten, winning over Delaware Valley.  Hartwick hasn't beaten anyone that is thought of nationally, but with E8 play starting next week, this team has a real shot at a perfect season
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2011, 04:41:52 AM
Teams from each of our lists play today... 7 of our remaining 15 undefeateds play... most notable game is undefeated Bethany playing Illinois Wesleyan in Staten Island Tourney... Titan Q has a detailed preview written up on CCIW page....

Other undefeateds playing are Emory, Lycoming, Medaille, Hartwick, Middlebury, and Cabrini... Hope must win over Marietta to remain on the unbeaten vs D3 list, and Dubuque from that list also is scheduled
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2011, 02:32:25 PM
Lycoming stays unbeaten with an early afternoon win over PSU Behrend
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2011, 03:04:44 PM
QuoteHartwick hasn't beaten anyone that is thought of nationally, but with E8 play starting next week, this team has a real shot at a perfect season

Hartwick forward Jared Sudderly is a real nice player. He had 34 points and 12 boards against Del Val yesterday. I saw him at the NCAA regional last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 29, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 29, 2011, 03:04:44 PM
QuoteHartwick hasn't beaten anyone that is thought of nationally, but with E8 play starting next week, this team has a real shot at a perfect season

Hartwick forward Jared Sudderly is a real nice player. He had 34 points and 12 boards against Del Val yesterday. I saw him at the NCAA regional last year.

Sudderly had 28 pts and 8 boards today as Hartwick defeats Penn State-Abington 104-90 to up their record to 11-0. Sudderly was 9x12 from the field, 2x2 from behind the arc, and 8x8 from the line. Nice day at the office. ;D

Should be a strong candidate for D3hoops Team of the Week.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 29, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
#1 Middlebury rolls over Curry 83-54 to improve to 9-0. That puts a smile on my face. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 29, 2011, 07:24:30 PM
Bethany falls to IWU and off the undefeated list with a 60-63 loss.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on December 29, 2011, 08:16:04 PM
Cabrini rolls 80-60 over Johns Hopkins in Centre tourney.  Now 9-0.  Next up winner of Centre/Berry.  (most likely Centre their up 15 with 10 to go).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 29, 2011, 09:07:11 PM
Medaille picks up their first loss of the season, in OT, to Dickinson.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 29, 2011, 11:55:57 PM
Emory  goes to 9-0 with an 84-66 win over Rhodes today.

Hope defeats Marietta 84-73 to remain undefeated against D3.

Dubuque downs Rockford 79-74 to remain undefeated against D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 02:29:16 AM
And down goes Transy as they are knocked from the undefeated ranks by Gustavus Adolphus 66-62. It was the 2nd undefeated team taken down by the Gusties in 2 days as they beat Hardin-Simmons 71-69 on Wednesday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 03:41:11 AM
The carnage since December 19th has been noteworthy.

To update our list of perfection.... Now down to a dozen.

Undefeated:  Four players still alive for the Undefeated Crown

Hartwick
New York University
Franklin and Marshall    (nwhoops)
Cabrini
Catholic
Lycoming
Grinnell
Middlebury     (Magicman)
MIT           (hugenerd)
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Emory
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps      (stag44)

Dropped off: Medaille, Wabash, Bethany, Translyvania, Hardin-Simmons, Dubuque (moved to undefeated vs D3), Puget Sound.
   


Winless:      Three Players still alive for the Winless Crown

Polytechnic       (pointspecial)
Elmira
SUNY-Cobleskill
Franciscan (Ohio)
Penn State-Altoona
Baptist Bible
Lancaster Bible
Penn State-Berks
Earlham
Principia         (hopefan)
University of New England
Lyndon State
Berry
Macalester           (knightslappy)
St. Mary's (Minn.)

Dropped off: Millikin, Martin Luther (moved to winless vs D3)




Undefeated against D3 only  (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Dubuque

Dropped off: Whitworth   Added: Dubuque



Winless against D3 only  (with a win against non d3 )

Goucher
Linfield
Piedmont
Maranatha Baptist
Presentation
La Verne
Cal Lutheran
Averett
Colby
Martin Luther

Dropped off: Alma      Added: Martin Luther


hopefan,
I believe I've made all the necessary changes.



edit--added bold for those of us over 40
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 05:46:14 AM
Games today involving teams on our lists:

Undefeated:

Middlebury at Salem State   7 PM

Cabrini at Centre  7 PM

Mary Hardin-Baylor vs Concordia (Ill.) at Concordia (Texas) 3 PM

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps hosts Babson  10:30 PM

NYU hosts Hamilton  8 PM


Winless:

Elmira vs Rivier at Trinity (Conn.)  2 PM
Berry vs Johns Hopkins  at Centre College  4 PM


Undefeated vs D3:

Hope hosts Indiana Wesleyan  8 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan at Westminster (Mo.)  5 PM


Winless vs D3:

Colby vs Curry at Salem State 3 PM
Piedmont vs Worcester State at Christopher Newport  5:30 PM



edit--added bold to the headers for those of us over 40
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2011, 08:48:53 AM
Magic... you were a busy man last night!!!!! 
Quick hit contest for our fans

Which team will fall off our list today?

I'll go with Nebraska Wesleyan, Hoping for a SLIAC upset...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 30, 2011, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 30, 2011, 05:46:14 AM
Games today involving teams on our lists:
Undefeated vs D3:

Hope hosts Indiana Wesleyan  8 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan at Westminster (Mo.)  5 PM

Indiana Wesleyan is NAIA, so this game can't knock Hope off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 30, 2011, 08:48:53 AM
Magic... you were a busy man last night!!!!! 

Just thought I'd give you a helping hand as you do so much! ;)
Was that you that gave me a +K to put me at the century mark? ??? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 30, 2011, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 30, 2011, 05:46:14 AM
Games today involving teams on our lists:
Undefeated vs D3:

Hope hosts Indiana Wesleyan  8 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan at Westminster (Mo.)  5 PM

Indiana Wesleyan is NAIA, so this game can't knock Hope off the list.

Picky, picky, picky! I never said it would knock them off the list, merely that they were playing today. ;) 
This is what happens when people become the Dean of a college. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 30, 2011, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 30, 2011, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 30, 2011, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 30, 2011, 05:46:14 AM
Games today involving teams on our lists:
Undefeated vs D3:

Hope hosts Indiana Wesleyan  8 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan at Westminster (Mo.)  5 PM

Indiana Wesleyan is NAIA, so this game can't knock Hope off the list.

Picky, picky, picky! I never said it would knock them off the list, merely that they were playing today. ;) 
This is what happens when people become the Dean of a college. ;D

I never said that you said it would knock them off the list, merely that their game today wouldn't.  ;)

So who's really the picky one?  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 30, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
A classic squibble!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 30, 2011, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 30, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
A classic squibble!

And without either Greg or me involved! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 30, 2011, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 30, 2011, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 30, 2011, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 30, 2011, 05:46:14 AM
Games today involving teams on our lists:
Undefeated vs D3:

Hope hosts Indiana Wesleyan  8 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan at Westminster (Mo.)  5 PM

Indiana Wesleyan is NAIA, so this game can't knock Hope off the list.

Picky, picky, picky! I never said it would knock them off the list, merely that they were playing today. ;) 
This is what happens when people become the Dean of a college. ;D

I never said that you said it would knock them off the list, merely that their game today wouldn't.  ;)

So who's really the picky one?  ;D
I left you that opening on purpose just to see if you'd take advantage of it. Glad that you didn't disappoint me! I figured that's what a Dean would do. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2011, 05:54:13 PM
No quibbling
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 30, 2011, 08:48:53 AM
Magic... you were a busy man last night!!!!! 
Quick hit contest for our fans

Which team will fall off our list today?

I'll go with Nebraska Wesleyan, Hoping for a SLIAC upset...

I'm hoping that Hamilton and one of my favorite coaches can pull off the upset at NYU so I'll take the Continentals, who are 9 point underdogs, to come away with a 68-66 win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 30, 2011, 06:39:58 PM
I wouldn't consider NYU the favorite, I like Hamilton's chances.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 07:50:08 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on December 30, 2011, 06:39:58 PM
I wouldn't consider NYU the favorite, I like Hamilton's chances.
Massey has predicted a 68-59 NYU win.  augie_superfan 's rating system has NYU favored by 9. Hence, the favorite tag that I applied to NYU. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 30, 2011, 08:04:07 PM
Neb Wes did indeed fall to Westminster, 71-69.  Probably good bye to Pool B, is Neb Wes was considering going that route.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on December 30, 2011, 08:53:23 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 30, 2011, 07:50:08 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on December 30, 2011, 06:39:58 PM
I wouldn't consider NYU the favorite, I like Hamilton's chances.
Massey has predicted a 68-59 NYU win.  augie_superfan 's rating system has NYU favored by 9. Hence, the favorite tag that I applied to NYU.

Ill have agree with you now that NYU is up 23 at the half.

In other news, Cabrini loses to Centre and falls off the undefeated list.

Middlebury holds on by 3 against Salem State, in a very close game that saw several lead changes over the final 10 minutes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2011, 10:12:06 PM
NYU just crushes Hamilton right from the git-go. Violets open up with a 13-0  start and extend the margin to 29-10 with 8:24 to play in the half. The lead only grows larger and it's 45-22 at the break. 2nd verse same as the first. NYU scores the first 10 points of the 2nd period and now has a 33 point lead that grew to 42 on several occasions. Final score was 83-46. Hamilton couldn't hit the proverbial barn part and the Violets were hotter than a pistol. NYU hit their first 2 shots of the game from 3 point land which was a sign of things to come. Violets ended up going 11 of 18 from beyond the arc (61%) and ended up 28x48 from the field. 

NYU moves to 7-0 and will host Clarkson on Jan.2nd.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2011, 02:52:49 AM
Results of Friday's games:

Undefeated:

Middlebury 66  Salem State 63   

Cabrini 67  Centre 69      Cabrini drops off the undefeated list

Mary Hardin-Baylor 82  Concordia (Ill.) 61   

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 73  Babson 51 

NYU 83  Hamilton 46 


Winless:

Elmira 66  Rivier 72
Berry 61  Johns Hopkins 76   


Undefeated vs D3:

Hope 80   Indiana Wesleyan 66 
Nebraska Wesleyan 69  Westminster (Mo.) 71      Nebraska Wesleyan falls off the undefeated vs D3 list


Winless vs D3:

Colby 65  Curry 66 
Piedmont 77  Worcester State 84




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2011, 03:50:25 AM
Updated Lists:  Only three games on tap for today:

Undefeated:  Four players still alive for the Undefeated Crown

Hartwick
New York University
Franklin and Marshall    (nwhoops)
Lycoming
Grinnell
Middlebury     (Magicman)
MIT           (hugenerd)
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Emory                                                       Emory hosts Guilford  1 PM
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps      (stag44)

Dropped off: Medaille, Wabash, Bethany, Translyvania, Hardin-Simmons, Dubuque (moved to undefeated vs D3), Puget Sound, Cabrini and Catholic.
   


Winless:      Three Players still alive for the Winless Crown

Polytechnic       (pointspecial)
Elmira
SUNY-Cobleskill
Franciscan (Ohio)
Penn State-Altoona
Baptist Bible
Lancaster Bible
Penn State-Berks
Earlham
Principia         (hopefan)
University of New England                           University of New England at Springfield  3 PM
Lyndon State
Berry
Macalester           (knightslappy)
St. Mary's (Minn.)

Dropped off: Millikin, Martin Luther (moved to winless vs D3)




Undefeated against D3 only  (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope
Dubuque

Dropped off: Whitworth, Nebraska Wesleyan   Added: Dubuque



Winless against D3 only  (with a win against non d3 )

Goucher
Linfield
Piedmont
Maranatha Baptist
Presentation
La Verne
Averett
Colby
Martin Luther

Dropped off: Alma, Cal Lutheran      Added: Martin Luther


modified at 9:53 on 1-1 to kick Cal-Lutheran off the Winless vs D3 list.

modified again at 8:06 on 1-1 to boot Catholic off the Undefeated List
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 31, 2011, 06:53:08 AM
I can't quite believe that nobody picked Earlham in the winless pool. Is it too late to join?  :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2012, 08:07:30 AM
We missed one from 12/3    Cal Lutheran falls off winless vs D3, beating Geneva  53-45
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 01, 2012, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 01, 2012, 08:07:30 AM
We missed one from 12/3    Cal Lutheran falls off winless vs D3, beating Geneva  53-45

That was on 12-30 and you're right I missed it.  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 01, 2012, 06:04:17 PM
Catholic falls off the undefeated list, losing to BSU by1.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2012, 06:27:17 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 31, 2011, 06:53:08 AM
I can't quite believe that nobody picked Earlham in the winless pool. Is it too late to join?  :-\

FCGrizz and I both lamented having overlooked them only about 8 days into the competition.  Despite some serious rivals (there may be 3-4 winless teams this year), I'd say they are probably an 'excellent' pick
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 01, 2012, 06:40:36 PM
Yes, and remember Earlham left the NCAC because of the stiff competition...whoops-a-daisy!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 01, 2012, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on January 01, 2012, 06:04:17 PM
Catholic falls off the undefeated list, losing to BSU by1.

That was one heluva game. Watched it on video.  Buffalo State with a big second half comeback to win it. Complete wrap up of the game over on the SUNYAC board.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2012, 05:01:43 AM
Averett came off the winless vs D3 list, beating Bridgewater 74-68 on Sunday 1/1

BUT... HEADLINE....LAST NIGHT...... winless Macalester beat Carleton 71-69..... my main data tutor Knightslappy, down and out, drowning his sorrows on 28th street!!!

4 left in the undefeated contest, down to the championship duo in the winless!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 03, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2011, 05:07:10 AM
Millikin watches Cornell miss a shot for the win...  beats Cornell 58-57....  off our list of winless, and taking Augie77 out of our contest... 3 left in the winless contest:

Polytechnic  (Pointspecial)
Principia   (hopefan)
Macalester  (knightslappy)



Oh, but for a better last second bounce versus Cornell, and I'd be pretty confident in my Millikin pick for winless.  Now that the non-conference portion of the season is over, I don't see any way that they win a game in the CCIW.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2012, 02:03:52 PM
They have a 23% chance of beating North Park at home in February!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2012, 10:04:32 PM
Goucher jumps off winless vs D3 list last night, beating Rutgers-Camden  94-66
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 03, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
My Middlebury Panthers roll over hopefan's Alma Mater, 123 -111. They must have used an NBA shot clock for this game. Either that or it was really 10 guys from Grinnell getting it on. Sounds like All American, Ryan Sharry, is fully recovered from his injury as he put up 41 points on a 19x23 shooting effort. The Panthers broke the school record for points scored in a game. I think they were trying to impress that Top 25 Poll voter who switched his vote this week to MIT. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Magic   I noticed Martin Luther moved to winless vs D3... I originally had ML losing to Waldorf on 11/28, therefore being winless...  but now D3hoops lists ML as the winner of the game.. given that, they were moved to winless vs D3.... HOWEVER... ML's site shows they LOST to Waldorf... I think they should be on the winless list.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 03, 2012, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 03, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Magic   I noticed Martin Luther moved to winless vs D3... I originally had ML losing to Waldorf on 11/28, therefore being winless...  but now D3hoops lists ML as the winner of the game.. given that, they were moved to winless vs D3.... HOWEVER... ML's site shows they LOST to Waldorf... I think they should be on the winless list.....

That sounds like the problems we had with Millsaps a couple of years ago. They didn't know if they were coming or going either. :D I'll update the list in a little while and bring it forward. Thanks for the info. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 03, 2012, 10:45:22 PM
hopefan,
It wasn't a good night for the Liberty League as Franklin & Marshall took down Hobart 81-71 to remain undefeated. Darn, I was really rooting hard for Hobart tonight to maybe winnow out a certain contestant. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2012, 10:59:40 PM
Waldorf's site says that the "Salad" Warriors beat the Thesis Hammerers 70-52.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2012, 03:20:07 AM
Colby defeated Maine-Maritime last night 51-45 and drops off the winless vs D3 list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2012, 03:31:30 AM
And in the battle of the Good Books:

Lancaster Bible defeated Baptist Bible 61-51  Lancaster Bible drops off the winless list. Baptist bible stays on it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2012, 03:54:30 AM
Updated Lists:

Undefeated  Four players still alive for the Undefeated Crown

Hartwick
New York University
Franklin and Marshall    (nwhoops)
Lycoming
Grinnell
Middlebury     (Magicman)
MIT           (hugenerd)
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Emory                                                   
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps      (stag44)


   


Winless      PointSpecial and hopefan duke it out for the Winless Crown

Polytechnic       (pointspecial)
Elmira
SUNY-Cobleskill
Franciscan (Ohio)
Penn State-Altoona
Baptist Bible
Penn State-Berks
Earlham
Principia         (hopefan)
University of New England                           
Lyndon State
Berry
Martin Luther
St. Mary's (Minn.)

Dropped off: Lancaster Bible, Macalester (KnightSlappy), added Martin Luther back on due to a phantom win that never happened




Undefeated against D3 only  (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope
Dubuque




Winless against D3 only  (with a win against non d3 )

Linfield
Piedmont
Maranatha Baptist
Presentation
La Verne

Dropped off: Averett, Colby, Goucher


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 04, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
Wanted to do some research here. Why not?

Undefeated  - Best chance for a loss (with Massey projected winning %).

Hartwick - 1/24 @ Stevens (38%)
New York University - 2/10 @ Emory (20%)
Franklin and Marshall  - 2/4 @ Muhlenberg (69%)
Lycoming - 1/22 @ Widener (50%)
Grinnell - 2/3 @ Ripon (57%)
Middlebury  - 2/11 @ Amherst (47%)
MIT    - 2/15 @ WPI (46%)
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 1/19 @ Hardin- Simmons (33%)
Emory - 1/29 @ Wash U (43%)                                                   
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 2/11 @ Redlands (72%)

Winless  - Best Chance For A Win (with Massey Projected Win %)

Polytechnic - 1/21 @ NY Maritime (10%)
Elmira - 1/24 vs. Alfred (19%)
SUNY-Cobleskill - 1/29 vs. Keuka (50%)
Franciscan (Ohio) - 1/11 vs. PSU - Altoona (20%)
Penn State-Altoona - 1/11 vs. Franciscan (80%)
Baptist Bible - 1/7 vs. Philly Bible (34%)
Penn State-Berks -1/15 vs. SUNY - Cobleskill (92%)
Earlham - 2/11 vs. Mt. St. Joseph (28%)
Principia - 1/17 vs. Fontbonne (25%)
University of New England  - 2/28 @ E. Nazarene (47%)                         
Lyndon State - 1/14 vs. Maine-Maritime (76%)
Berry - 2/21 vs. Covenant (54%)
Martin Luther - 2/4 vs. Presentation (54%)
St. Mary's (Minn.) - 2/4 vs. Macalester (73%)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2012, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 04, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
Wanted to do some research here. Why not?

Undefeated  - Best chance for a loss (with Massey projected winning %).

Hartwick - 1/24 @ Stevens (38%)
New York University - 2/10 @ Emory (20%)
Franklin and Marshall  - 2/4 @ Muhlenberg (69%)     nwhoops
Lycoming - 1/22 @ Widener (50%)
Grinnell - 2/3 @ Ripon (57%)
Middlebury  - 2/11 @ Amherst (47%)                magicman
MIT    - 2/15 @ WPI (46%)                               Hugenerd
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 1/19 @ Hardin- Simmons (33%)
Emory - 1/29 @ Wash U (43%)                                                   
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 2/11 @ Redlands (72%)            stagg44

Winless  - Best Chance For A Win (with Massey Projected Win %)

Polytechnic - 1/21 @ NY Maritime (10%)
Elmira - 1/24 vs. Alfred (19%)
SUNY-Cobleskill - 1/29 vs. Keuka (50%)
Franciscan (Ohio) - 1/11 vs. PSU - Altoona (20%)
Penn State-Altoona - 1/11 vs. Franciscan (80%)
Baptist Bible - 1/7 vs. Philly Bible (34%)
Penn State-Berks -1/15 vs. SUNY - Cobleskill (92%)
Earlham - 2/11 vs. Mt. St. Joseph (28%)
Principia - 1/17 vs. Fontbonne (25%)
University of New England  - 2/28 @ E. Nazarene (47%)                         
Lyndon State - 1/14 vs. Maine-Maritime (76%)
Berry - 2/21 vs. Covenant (54%)
Martin Luther - 2/4 vs. Presentation (54%)
St. Mary's (Minn.) - 2/4 vs. Macalester (73%)



stagg44 is lovin your research and Massey's projections as that would mean his team has the best chance of going undefeated.
nwhoops team is a close 2nd
Hugenerd likes the fact that his team's best chance for a loss is later than the other three of us, as we might all be eliminated by 2/15
It looks like my chances are worse than anybody's and yet my team is #1. I still like my chances against Amherst. I'm more worried about Williams on January 28th even though the game's in Middlebury.

 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 05, 2012, 10:01:19 AM
Of course, remember that Macalester had a 2% chance of beating Carleton and well, the dice roll was favorable for them!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2012, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 04, 2012, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 04, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
Wanted to do some research here. Why not?

Undefeated  - Best chance for a loss (with Massey projected winning %).

Hartwick - 1/24 @ Stevens (38%)
New York University - 2/10 @ Emory (20%)
Franklin and Marshall  - 2/4 @ Muhlenberg (69%)     nwhoops
Lycoming - 1/22 @ Widener (50%)
Grinnell - 2/3 @ Ripon (57%)
Middlebury  - 2/11 @ Amherst (47%)                magicman
MIT    - 2/15 @ WPI (46%)                               Hugenerd
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 1/19 @ Hardin- Simmons (33%)
Emory - 1/29 @ Wash U (43%)                                                   
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 2/11 @ Redlands (72%)            stagg44

Winless  - Best Chance For A Win (with Massey Projected Win %)

Polytechnic - 1/21 @ NY Maritime (10%)
Elmira - 1/24 vs. Alfred (19%)
SUNY-Cobleskill - 1/29 vs. Keuka (50%)
Franciscan (Ohio) - 1/11 vs. PSU - Altoona (20%)
Penn State-Altoona - 1/11 vs. Franciscan (80%)
Baptist Bible - 1/7 vs. Philly Bible (34%)
Penn State-Berks -1/15 vs. SUNY - Cobleskill (92%)
Earlham - 2/11 vs. Mt. St. Joseph (28%)
Principia - 1/17 vs. Fontbonne (25%)
University of New England  - 2/28 @ E. Nazarene (47%)                         
Lyndon State - 1/14 vs. Maine-Maritime (76%)
Berry - 2/21 vs. Covenant (54%)
Martin Luther - 2/4 vs. Presentation (54%)
St. Mary's (Minn.) - 2/4 vs. Macalester (73%)



stagg44 is lovin your research and Massey's projections as that would mean his team has the best chance of going undefeated.
nwhoops team is a close 2nd
Hugenerd likes the fact that his team's best chance for a loss is later than the other three of us, as we might all be eliminated by 2/15
It looks like my chances are worse than anybody's and yet my team is #1. I still like my chances against Amherst. I'm more worried about Williams on January 28th even though the game's in Middlebury.

MITs game at WPI is their regular season finale.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 05, 2012, 12:31:14 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on January 05, 2012, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 04, 2012, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 04, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
Wanted to do some research here. Why not?

Undefeated  - Best chance for a loss (with Massey projected winning %).

Hartwick - 1/24 @ Stevens (38%)
New York University - 2/10 @ Emory (20%)
Franklin and Marshall  - 2/4 @ Muhlenberg (69%)     nwhoops
Lycoming - 1/22 @ Widener (50%)
Grinnell - 2/3 @ Ripon (57%)
Middlebury  - 2/11 @ Amherst (47%)                magicman
MIT    - 2/15 @ WPI (46%)                               Hugenerd
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 1/19 @ Hardin- Simmons (33%)
Emory - 1/29 @ Wash U (43%)                                                   
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 2/11 @ Redlands (72%)            stagg44

Winless  - Best Chance For A Win (with Massey Projected Win %)

Polytechnic - 1/21 @ NY Maritime (10%)
Elmira - 1/24 vs. Alfred (19%)
SUNY-Cobleskill - 1/29 vs. Keuka (50%)
Franciscan (Ohio) - 1/11 vs. PSU - Altoona (20%)
Penn State-Altoona - 1/11 vs. Franciscan (80%)
Baptist Bible - 1/7 vs. Philly Bible (34%)
Penn State-Berks -1/15 vs. SUNY - Cobleskill (92%)
Earlham - 2/11 vs. Mt. St. Joseph (28%)
Principia - 1/17 vs. Fontbonne (25%)
University of New England  - 2/28 @ E. Nazarene (47%)                         
Lyndon State - 1/14 vs. Maine-Maritime (76%)
Berry - 2/21 vs. Covenant (54%)
Martin Luther - 2/4 vs. Presentation (54%)
St. Mary's (Minn.) - 2/4 vs. Macalester (73%)



stagg44 is lovin your research and Massey's projections as that would mean his team has the best chance of going undefeated.
nwhoops team is a close 2nd
Hugenerd likes the fact that his team's best chance for a loss is later than the other three of us, as we might all be eliminated by 2/15
It looks like my chances are worse than anybody's and yet my team is #1. I still like my chances against Amherst. I'm more worried about Williams on January 28th even though the game's in Middlebury.

MITs game at WPI is their regular season finale.

Which will give the Engineers even more incentive, since they stand to run the table in the regular season. After watching them play recently, I was impressed with Cates, Hollingsworth, Tashman,  Karraker, and Bender. All five starters averaging double figures. Not too many teams (if any) have five scoring options like they do. Not even Grinnell has 5 guys in double figs.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2012, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 05, 2012, 12:31:14 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on January 05, 2012, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 04, 2012, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 04, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
Wanted to do some research here. Why not?

Undefeated  - Best chance for a loss (with Massey projected winning %).

Hartwick - 1/24 @ Stevens (38%)
New York University - 2/10 @ Emory (20%)
Franklin and Marshall  - 2/4 @ Muhlenberg (69%)     nwhoops
Lycoming - 1/22 @ Widener (50%)
Grinnell - 2/3 @ Ripon (57%)
Middlebury  - 2/11 @ Amherst (47%)                magicman
MIT    - 2/15 @ WPI (46%)                               Hugenerd
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 1/19 @ Hardin- Simmons (33%)
Emory - 1/29 @ Wash U (43%)                                                   
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 2/11 @ Redlands (72%)            stagg44

Winless  - Best Chance For A Win (with Massey Projected Win %)

Polytechnic - 1/21 @ NY Maritime (10%)
Elmira - 1/24 vs. Alfred (19%)
SUNY-Cobleskill - 1/29 vs. Keuka (50%)
Franciscan (Ohio) - 1/11 vs. PSU - Altoona (20%)
Penn State-Altoona - 1/11 vs. Franciscan (80%)
Baptist Bible - 1/7 vs. Philly Bible (34%)
Penn State-Berks -1/15 vs. SUNY - Cobleskill (92%)
Earlham - 2/11 vs. Mt. St. Joseph (28%)
Principia - 1/17 vs. Fontbonne (25%)
University of New England  - 2/28 @ E. Nazarene (47%)                         
Lyndon State - 1/14 vs. Maine-Maritime (76%)
Berry - 2/21 vs. Covenant (54%)
Martin Luther - 2/4 vs. Presentation (54%)
St. Mary's (Minn.) - 2/4 vs. Macalester (73%)



stagg44 is lovin your research and Massey's projections as that would mean his team has the best chance of going undefeated.
nwhoops team is a close 2nd
Hugenerd likes the fact that his team's best chance for a loss is later than the other three of us, as we might all be eliminated by 2/15
It looks like my chances are worse than anybody's and yet my team is #1. I still like my chances against Amherst. I'm more worried about Williams on January 28th even though the game's in Middlebury.

MITs game at WPI is their regular season finale.

Which will give the Engineers even more incentive, since they stand to run the table in the regular season. After watching them play recently, I was impressed with Cates, Hollingsworth, Tashman,  Karraker, and Bender. All five starters averaging double figures. Not too many teams (if any) have five scoring options like they do. Not even Grinnell has 5 guys in double figs.   

Those 5 are real comfortable with eachother, Kates and Tashman are Juniors, Karraker and Hollingsorth are RS Juniors (academically seniors, but will be back for a year), and Bender is a senior, so they have all been around eachother for at least 3 years.  NEWMAC is tough this year, though, and every team will be up to play them based on MIT's ranking.  They seemed a bit rusty yesterday with the long layoff, but hopefully they can now get into the groove of playing 2 games per week from here on out, with all their non-conference games complete.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 07, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Carnage report: The Undefeated List shrinks to 7        All four remaining players survive 


NYU bites the dust as Brandeis travels to the Big Apple and defeats the Violets 52-49

Hartwick victimized by Alfred  as the Saxons pull off a huge upset over the 12-0 (now 12-1) Hawks 72-66

Lycoming falls off the list as they drop an 82-80 squeaker to Kings

Middlebury wins big  82-69 over Tufts            magicman

MIT wins bigger 87-54 over Wheaton (Mass.)     Hugenerd

Mary Hardin-Baylor in a closer one beats Texas Dallas 64-56

Emory gets a tip in buzzer beater to swat Rochester 83-81

Franklin & Marshall wins big over Swarthmore 74-50     nwhoops

Clarmont-Mudd-Scripps rolls over Caltech  77-42      stag44

Grinnell was idle




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2012, 09:21:40 PM
Winless goes from 14 to 11 with 3 winners... hopefan and pointspecial still competing

St. Mary's (Minn) beats Macalester 62-47, dropping from the winless list

Baptist Bible drops off winless list, Beating Philly Bible  76-60

Penn State Berks drops off winless list, Beating Wells  73-70

Earlham stays winless losing to Manchester  62-48

Elmira leaves no doubt, losing to Stevens  80-48

Franciscan crushed by Hilbert 77-39

Lyndon State down to Maine Farmington 85-65

PSU-Altoona loses to Pitt-Bradford  69-57

U. of New England down to Roger Williams  62-55

SUNY Cobleskill barely keeps its spot, losing 74-69 to PSU Abington

Polytechnic (pointspecial) loses to SUNY Purchase  60-75

playing last night, Principia (hopefan) lost to Spalding 84-59

Berry and Martin Luther did not play




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 07, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 07, 2012, 09:21:40 PM
Winless goes from 14 to 11 with 3 winners... hopefan and pointspecial still competing

St. Mary's (Minn) beats Macalester 62-47, dropping from the winless list

Baptist Bible drops off winless list, Beating Philly Bible  76-60

Penn State Berks drops off winless list, Beating Wells  73-70

Earlham stays winless losing to Manchester  62-48

Elmira leaves no doubt, losing to Stevens  80-48

Franciscan crushed by Hilbert 77-39

Lyndon State down to Maine Farmington 85-65

PSU-Altoona loses to Pitt-Bradford  69-57

U. of New England down to Roger Williams  62-55

SUNY Cobleskill barely keeps its spot, losing 74-69 to PSU Abington

Polytechnic (pointspecial) loses to SUNY Purchase  60-75

playing last night, Principia (hopefan) lost to Spalding 84-59

Berry and Martin Luther did not play

Wait.... losing is winning, right?  (or... losing is not losing?)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Billy Baller on January 08, 2012, 12:31:47 AM
Saw NYU-Poly play their last few games...this team is maybe one of, if not the worst basketball team ever assembled at the collegiate level (at least from what i've viewed in my lifetime).  I have no idea where these players come from but it's very unfortunate to watch them play: other teams let them stay in the game for a while due to the "playing down to the level", the very low, low level of NYU-Poly's team.  Hey, on the bright side: at least these kids are going to get jobs! They're all in math & science so kudos to them for that, right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 08, 2012, 10:41:26 AM
You can find out here:

http://gonyupoly.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

It may be a similar situation to Cal Tech's prior teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CityD3 on January 08, 2012, 08:36:40 PM
Quote from: Billy Baller on January 08, 2012, 12:31:47 AM
Saw NYU-Poly play their last few games...this team is maybe one of, if not the worst basketball team ever assembled at the collegiate level (at least from what i've viewed in my lifetime).  I have no idea where these players come from but it's very unfortunate to watch them play: other teams let them stay in the game for a while due to the "playing down to the level", the very low, low level of NYU-Poly's team.  Hey, on the bright side: at least these kids are going to get jobs! They're all in math & science so kudos to them for that, right?
u
"playing down to the level???" Are you kidding me? How about giving kids credit for playing hard and battling? How about cutting a first yr coach some slack for taking over a program in shambles? It looks like they lost a few players and still stayed competitive against a purchase after a month off. They also play in a conference dominated ny transfers like your boy AJ mattheews..They have true freshmen and have had a couple ROWs already. they probably should have beat maritime btw but you re just basing off obe gane against uour alma mater. So tone it down with the insults with your limited amount of knowledge and information, bro.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 08, 2012, 10:58:14 PM
Wed. Jan 11 we are in for a treat

0-12 PSU-Altoona at 0-12 Franciscan 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2012, 11:46:44 PM
Quote from: sac on January 08, 2012, 10:58:14 PM
Wed. Jan 11 we are in for a treat

0-12 PSU-Altoona at 0-12 Franciscan

And those in the National Pickems get to select the winner (loser?). ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Billy Baller on January 09, 2012, 01:29:35 AM
Copied to CityD3:

I first saw them against St. Joseph's first off and let me say that it was really bad, my friend.

This team is NOT good and there have been some bad teams in this part of the world...I'm not saying they won't get better in the future or that the coach is bad because this team DOES hustle but as of right now, they are not very good, not at all.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CityD3 on January 09, 2012, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: Billy Baller on January 09, 2012, 01:29:35 AM
Copied to CityD3:

I first saw them against St. Joseph's first off and let me say that it was really bad, my friend.

This team is NOT good and there have been some bad teams in this part of the world...I'm not saying they won't get better in the future or that the coach is bad because this team DOES hustle but as of right now, they are not very good, not at all.

Kid Auguste scored 30 on St. Joe's. Not impressive ?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2012, 11:46:44 PM
Quote from: sac on January 08, 2012, 10:58:14 PM
Wed. Jan 11 we are in for a treat

0-12 PSU-Altoona at 0-12 Franciscan

And those in the National Pickems get to select the winner (loser?). ;)

Certainly the correct pick of the loser merits gain over the correct pick of the winner.... but... wait.... ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 11, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
Do we have a comprehensive update, including the undefeated and winless vs. D3?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2012, 11:46:26 AM
Smed, if Magic doesn't take care of it, I'll revise this evening.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 11, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
Updated lists:


Undefeated

Middlebury                                           magicman
MIT                                                     Hugenerd
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps                       stagg44
Franklin & Marshall                               nwhoops
Grinnell
Emory
Mary Hardin Baylor

Dropped off: Hartwick, NYU, Lycoming.   



Winless

Principia                                            hopefan
Polytechnic                                        PointSpecial
Earlham
Elmira
Franciscan
Lyndon State
Univ. of New England
Berry
Martin Luther

Dropped off: St. Mary's (MInn.), Baptist Bible, Penn State-Berks, Penn State-Altoona (defeated Franciscan 67-52 on 1-11), SUNY Cobleskill (defeated Cazenovia 71-70 on 1-11)



Undefeated vs D3 Only (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope
Dubuque


Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist
La Verne

Dropped off: Linfield (defeated Willamette 95-71 on 1-7), Piedmont (defeated Berry 91-65 on 1-8), Presentation (defeated Minnesota Morris 55-52 on 1-10)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 11, 2012, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 11, 2012, 11:46:26 AM
Smed, if Magic doesn't take care of it, I'll revise this evening.....

Was working on it while you were posting. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dahlby on January 11, 2012, 12:55:59 PM
Presentation College defeated Minnesota-Morris last night 55-52.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 11, 2012, 05:01:26 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 11, 2012, 12:55:59 PM
Presentation College defeated Minnesota-Morris last night 55-52.

Thank You.  Plus k.   Went to their D3hoops page earlier (and just now) and that result is still not posted. Some SID not doing their job. :o  I see both team websites have the results listed though. I'll make the correction.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dahlby on January 11, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
Plus K back at you for your efforts.
FYI: I too looked at the D3 pages and found nothing. But, when reading the LA Times sports section this morning saw the score. I follow Presentation from their older days of NAIA and NCCAA  as my cousin, from South Dakota ,had a son and daughter play on Presentation's basketball team before they went D3. I am originally from SD and follow the teams back there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 12, 2012, 05:09:27 AM
Penn State Altoona falls off the Winless List as they defeat winless Franciscan 67-52 Wednesday evening. These two teams will meet again on Feb. 8th. Perhaps Altoona will return the favor then.

SUNY Cobleskill falls off the Winless LIst as they defeat Cazennovia 71-70.

I edited the previous list to account for these changes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 09:02:53 PM
I kinda thought F & M was living on borrowed time, but I didn't think they'd lose AT HOME.  (Glad I didn't have that game on Pickems, 'cause I definitely would have lost. ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 09:07:55 PM
BTW, I saw on another board that our old friend from the 'winless' tourney, UMPI, has a 7'6" freshman!  At that height in (sort of) d3, I'm guessing he has trouble walking, much less doing it while chewing gum! ;)  Anyone know anything about the kid?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Titan Q on January 12, 2012, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 09:07:55 PM
BTW, I saw on another board that our old friend from the 'winless' tourney, UMPI, has a 7'6" freshman!  At that height in (sort of) d3, I'm guessing he has trouble walking, much less doing it while chewing gum! ;)  Anyone know anything about the kid?

http://www.ncaa.com/schools/me-presque-isle/basketball-men

http://owls.umpi.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/bios/wegner_robert_o6l8

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/137727

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 12, 2012, 09:42:19 PM
Our survivor contest involving the winless list may be nearing an end as PointSpecials's selection of Polytechnic is in serious danger of winning. The Bluejays lead Sage 30-21 at halftime. We may be crowning a winner tonight and I bet hopefan doesn't even know it. ;D
For that matter PointSpecial probably doesn't know it either. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 12, 2012, 09:46:13 PM
Muhlenberg- F&M score is NOT correct, that was the women's score. Actual score is F&M 87- Muhls 55 in what was Dips best game of the year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2012, 09:50:35 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 12, 2012, 09:46:13 PM
Muhlenberg- F&M score is NOT correct, that was the women's score. Actual score is F&M 87- Muhls 55 in what was Dips best game of the year.

I was wondering.  That score just didn't make sense, short of a cholera outbreak in the F&M locker room.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 12, 2012, 09:58:50 PM
Well Polytechnic couldn't hold on to the lead and Sage comes from behind to beat the Bluejays 62-59. PointSpecial lives to fight another day.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 12, 2012, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 12, 2012, 09:46:13 PM
Muhlenberg- F&M score is NOT correct, that was the women's score. Actual score is F&M 87- Muhls 55 in what was Dips best game of the year.

Thanks for the help D.B. plus k. I'll make the correction.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 12, 2012, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 09:07:55 PM
BTW, I saw on another board that our old friend from the 'winless' tourney, UMPI, has a 7'6" freshman!  At that height in (sort of) d3, I'm guessing he has trouble walking, much less doing it while chewing gum! ;)  Anyone know anything about the kid?

http://www.ncaa.com/schools/me-presque-isle/basketball-men

http://owls.umpi.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/bios/wegner_robert_o6l8

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/137727

Thanks, Bob.  But your third link was to Detroit's own Robert Wagner, who is about 20 inches shy of being Robert Wegner!

None of the links confirmed him as 7'6", but I guess I'll take the poster's word for it. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 10:20:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 09:02:53 PM
I kinda thought F & M was living on borrowed time, but I didn't think they'd lose AT HOME.  (Glad I didn't have that game on Pickems, 'cause I definitely would have lost. ;))

I guess the later corrections make this post moot! :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Titan Q on January 12, 2012, 10:32:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 10:17:43 PM
None of the links confirmed him as 7'6", but I guess I'll take the poster's word for it. ;)

From the first link, go to "rosters."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 12, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2012, 09:59:47 PM
Also, earlier this year I picked the wrong conference foe to back for winless.  The mighty University of New England men's basketball team has, in its previous two games, held opponents to less than 30% shooting (less than 10% from three) and forced an average of 23 turnovers... and lost both games by double digits to less than stellar opponents.

This team is right up there with the worst d3 squads ever.

But I know the coach from his tenure at Wabash as Mac Petty's assistant. He's a good guy and was successful in the past there. Must be just a weird year.

And they're not even the worst this year -396 out of 412 right now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 10:41:21 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 12, 2012, 10:32:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2012, 10:17:43 PM
None of the links confirmed him as 7'6", but I guess I'll take the poster's word for it. ;)

From the first link, go to "rosters."

Thanks.  I missed that possibility - I hit 'roster' for the second link, but no heights or weights listed. :P  So he is indeed listed as 7'6".

(Of course, I remember when EMU's Earl Boykins was listed as 5'8", then 5'7", then 5'5" - and even that is questioned by many.  As the coach said: "Until he proved how good he was, you think I'm gonna risk my career admitting I recruited a midget!" ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 13, 2012, 08:02:16 AM
In last night's action:

Mary Hardin-Baylor stays undefeated as they beat Schreiner 80-60
Franklin & Marshall stays undefeated as the beat Muhlenberg 87-55.  This game was initially reported as a 62-54 F&M loss but that was the score of the women's game.

Polytechnic stays winless as they lose to Sage 62-59
Principia stays winless as they lose to Westminster (Mo) 74-54

University of New England's game against Curry was postponed
Marantha Baptist's game against Concordia (Wis) was postponed


Updated lists:


Undefeated

Middlebury                                           magicman
MIT                                                     Hugenerd
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps                       stagg44
Franklin & Marshall                               nwhoops
Grinnell
Mary Hardin Baylor

Dropped off: Hartwick, NYU, Lycoming, Emory (loses to NYU 89-73 on 1-13)   



Winless

Principia                                            hopefan
Polytechnic                                        PointSpecial
Earlham
Elmira
Franciscan
Lyndon State
Univ. of New England
Berry
Martin Luther

Dropped off: St. Mary's (MInn.), Baptist Bible, Penn State-Berks, Penn State-Altoona (defeated Franciscan 67-52 on 1-11), SUNY Cobleskill (defeated Cazenovia 71-70 on 1-11)



Undefeated vs D3 Only (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope
Dubuque


Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist
La Verne

Dropped off: Linfield (defeated Willamette 95-71 on 1-7), Piedmont (defeated Berry 91-65 on 1-8), Presentation (defeated Minnesota Morris 55-52 on 1-10)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2012, 09:53:04 AM
Polytechnic stays winless as they lose to Sage 62-59

:'( :'( :'(   4 points from collecting the gold... or whatever the trophy is made of..... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 13, 2012, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 13, 2012, 09:53:04 AM
Polytechnic stays winless as they lose to Sage 62-59

:'( :'( :'(   4 points from collecting the gold... or whatever the trophy is made of..... :'( :'( :'(

Clearly it should be a porcelain toilet bowl
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 13, 2012, 09:51:45 PM
Emory loses by 16 to NYU.

Middlebury led Conn College by only 3 with under 5 to go, but finished out the game on a strong run to win by 16.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 14, 2012, 05:49:28 PM
F&M loses at home to Washington College.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 14, 2012, 05:55:16 PM
Not the women's score this time??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on January 14, 2012, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 14, 2012, 05:55:16 PM
Not the women's score this time??

Nope, the livestats had all men's names when I checked it. Game was tied at 74 with about 30 seconds left, but Washington College scored the last 4 points.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 14, 2012, 06:20:54 PM
Maybe F&M did have cholera this time?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2012, 11:34:22 PM
Grinnell LOSES first, to Carroll, 109-106... falls off undefeated list.

Lyndon State crushed Maine Maritime 81-56, to leap off winless list....

other winless lose....Elmira, Franciscan, Earlham, Principia, Macalester, U of New England, Berry all lose...
NYU-Poly plays tomorrow

Maranatha Bap also loses to stay winless vs D3... LaVerne playing right now.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dahlby on January 15, 2012, 01:54:00 AM
La Verne over Cal Lu 65 - 53.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2012, 03:21:10 PM

From D3Hoops site
NYU-Poly     73     SUNY-Old Westbury     52     Final

A little recognition, please   ???     NO NOT SO FAST

From Old Westbury site
1/15/2012    *   NYU-Poly    Brooklyn, NY   W 73-52    (Indicating SUNY OLD Westbury win)

PAT   YOU'VE DONE ME IN!!!!!!!     ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2012, 03:32:11 PM
From the Polytechnic website:

Old Westbury Oulasts Men's Hoops

BROOKLYN, NY -  The NYU-Poly Men's Basketball team suffered a Skyline Conference setback Sunday afternoon, falling 73-52 to Old Westbury.  The Jays fall to 0-12 overall and 0-7 in the Skyline, while Old Westbury improves to 5-2 in the conference and 8-6 overall

Sorry hopefan, you'll have to wait a little longer for that winless crown. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2012, 03:35:05 PM
I'll update our lists later today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2012, 01:44:23 AM
Luther beats Dubuque, 66-44.... Dubuque OFF the undefeated vs D3 list
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 17, 2012, 03:51:35 PM
I went on a statistical quest last night to find the lowest rated team in D3.

Here are 17 of the 18 teams I considered

Baptist Bible
Berry
CCNY
Earlham
Elmira
Franciscan
Green Mountain
Johnson State
Luther
Lyndon State
Maine Maritime
New England
Polytechnic
Principia
PSU Altoona
Southern Vermont
SUNY Cobleskill

I pulled these off the bottom of masseyratings.com.  I could not rate Maine-Presque Isle because they wisely have not updated their stats for this season.  They also have 3 wins so its unlikely they would be #410 so I'm not bothered by it.  I cut off my choices at SUNY-Cobleskill, anyone above that line is probably too good for this, although I added Earlham because they have no wins, but *spoiler alert* their schedule is likely too strong.

I used a basic efficiency formula I've used for some time.  Think of it as points per 100 possessions.

From this group the bottom 5 offenses
CCNY                79.44
New England       79.31
Maine-Maritime   74.07
Polytechnic        72.60
Franciscan         71.34

..and the bottom 5 defenses
Lyndon State         114.15
Elmira                   114.44
Southern Vermont   114.90
Berry                    116.44
SUNY-Cobleskill       117.29


The bottom 5 , combining offense with defense (200-def eff)
Principia                170.40
Elmira                   169.30
SUNY-Cobleskill      169.05
Berry                    163.06
Franciscan             162.47

Through Sunday, Franciscan is the lowest rated team in D3 based on efficiency.  Based on the fact they've played the #404 ranked schedule, a schedule adjustment would make them an even more solid #410.


Here's is their team picture and roster. http://www.franciscanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/roster

Awesome for a couple reasons.  There are 10 players in the picture but only 9 on the roster.  Despite being in Steubenville, Ohio, on the border with West Virginia and a stones throw from Pennsylvania, there is not a single player on the team from those 3 states.   Seeing John Trabbic from Eric, MI forced me to look up where Eric, MI is located.....there isn't one, I'm sure they mean Erie, but who knows, probably only John.

Franciscan played the first half of their season with just 8 players as two were studying abroad last semester.  This caused a problem when 4 players fouled out of one game and Franciscan had to finish with just 4 players.

This is Franciscan's first year as a full fledged D3 member (at least I think it is, the games count for in-region) and it's John Lamanna's first year at the helm.  If you get a chance read John's bio, he has some interesting credentials.


Berry is also in its first year as a D3 member their roster lists 9 guards and 1 forward  http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/roster.   

This should be a close race right to the end of the season.   A quick look at the two teams' schedules reveals not many opportunities for either team to improve their rating or even to get a win or two.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 17, 2012, 04:15:19 PM
Updated lists:

nwhoops bites the dust and the survivor pool is down to 3 players. Undefeated list is down to 4 teams

Undefeated

Middlebury                                           magicman                        Next: Hosts Castleton St 1-17
MIT                                                     Hugenerd                         Next: Hosts WPI 1-21
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps                       stagg44                           Next: At Pomona-Pitzer 1-18
Franklin & Marshall                            nwhoops
Mary Hardin Baylor                                                                      Next: At Hardin-Simmons 1-19

Dropped off: Grinnell (Lost at Carroll 109-106 on 1-14), Franklin & Marshall (Lost to Washington College 78-74 on 1-14)   



Winless       

Principia                                            hopefan                                 Next: Hosts Fontbonne 1-17
Polytechnic                                        PointSpecial                           Next: At Farmingdale State 1-17
Earlham                                                                                        Next : At Defiance 1-18
Elmira                                                                                           Next: At ithaca 1-20
Franciscan                                                                                     Next: Hosts Pitt-Bradford 1-21
Univ. of New England                                                                     Next: At Eastern Nazarene 1-17
Berry                                                                                            Next: At Piedmont 1-17
Martin Luther                                                                                Next: At Presentation 1-20

Dropped off: Lyndon State (Defeated Maine Maritime 81-56 on 1-14)



Undefeated vs D3 Only (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope                                                                                               Next: Hosts Calvin on 1-18

Dropped off: Dubuque (Lost to Luther 66-44 on 1-16


Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist                                                                             Next: At Edgewood 1-17

Dropped off: La Verne (Defeats Cal-Lutheran 65-53 on 1-14)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Three of the nine Franciscan players were home-schooled as well. I know they have organized home-school teams now, but still they may be at a disadvantage in player development.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 04:25:24 PM

Sac, did you mean the University of New England or New England College?  They're both terribly bad.  I assume it to be UNE since they're winless and pathetic, but NEC lost to Albany Pharmacy the other night and it wasn't that close.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 17, 2012, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 17, 2012, 04:25:24 PM

Sac, did you mean the University of New England or New England College?  They're both terribly bad.  I assume it to be UNE since they're winless and pathetic, but NEC lost to Albany Pharmacy the other night and it wasn't that close.

I meant New England College.

New England University fell just outside my arbitrary cut-off.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 17, 2012, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: sac on January 17, 2012, 03:51:35 PM
I went on a statistical quest last night to find the lowest rated team in D3.

Here are 17 of the 18 teams I considered

Baptist Bible
Berry
CCNY
Earlham
Elmira
Franciscan
Green Mountain
Johnson State
Luther
Lyndon State
Maine Maritime
New England
Polytechnic
Principia
PSU Altoona
Southern Vermont
SUNY Cobleskill

I pulled these off the bottom of masseyratings.com.  I could not rate Maine-Presque Isle because they wisely have not updated their stats for this season.  They also have 3 wins so its unlikely they would be #410 so I'm not bothered by it.  I cut off my choices at SUNY-Cobleskill, anyone above that line is probably too good for this, although I added Earlham because they have no wins, but *spoiler alert* their schedule is likely too strong.

I used a basic efficiency formula I've used for some time.  Think of it as points per 100 possessions.

From this group the bottom 5 offenses
CCNY                79.44
New England       79.31
Maine-Maritime   74.07
Polytechnic        72.60
Franciscan         71.34

..and the bottom 5 defenses
Lyndon State         114.15
Elmira                   114.44
Southern Vermont   114.90
Berry                    116.44
SUNY-Cobleskill       117.29


The bottom 5 , combining offense with defense (200-def eff)
Principia                170.40
Elmira                   169.30
SUNY-Cobleskill      169.05
Berry                    163.06
Franciscan             162.47

Through Sunday, Franciscan is the lowest rated team in D3 based on efficiency.  Based on the fact they've played the #404 ranked schedule, a schedule adjustment would make them an even more solid #410.


Here's is their team picture and roster. http://www.franciscanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/roster

Awesome for a couple reasons.  There are 10 players in the picture but only 9 on the roster.  Despite being in Steubenville, Ohio, on the border with West Virginia and a stones throw from Pennsylvania, there is not a single player on the team from those 3 states.   Seeing John Trabbic from Eric, MI forced me to look up where Eric, MI is located.....there isn't one, I'm sure they mean Erie, but who knows, probably only John.

Franciscan played the first half of their season with just 8 players as two were studying abroad last semester.  This caused a problem when 4 players fouled out of one game and Franciscan had to finish with just 4 players.

This is Franciscan's first year as a full fledged D3 member (at least I think it is, the games count for in-region) and it's John Lamanna's first year at the helm.  If you get a chance read John's bio, he has some interesting credentials.


Berry is also in its first year as a D3 member their roster lists 9 guards and 1 forward  http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/roster.   

This should be a close race right to the end of the season.   A quick look at the two teams' schedules reveals not many opportunities for either team to improve their rating or even to get a win or two.

sac,
You could have saved yourself a lot of work. All of us in the National Pick 'Em League were convinced that Franciscan was the worst D3 team after they lost to winless (at the time) PSU-Altoona 67-52 on Franciscan's home court. It was one of our games of the week, since they were both winless, and Mr. Ypsi (who made out that week's schedule) suggested, before the final outcome of the game was known, that when they meet again on Feb. 8th I might consider placing the rematch on our schedule of that week. After the game was over KnightSlappy said, "So Franciscan just lost at home to one of the worst teams in D3 by 15 points. That's terrible." And Mr. Ypsi stated, "Yep.  I suspect magicman will not select the rematch AT PSU-Altoona on Feb. 8!"  They were both right. ;D In the rematch PSU-Altoona would be the lock of the week in the league. Your research however, did confirm what we already knew. 8-) 

 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
I fondly recollect that in Dec. 2008, Franciscan beat Hiram 88-80. Hiram went on to finish the season with 16 wins, including two over Wittenberg*, and was a solid third-place (11-5) in the NCAC. I think it was one of if not the most unlikely result of the season according to Massey. Franciscan was just beginning their reclassification to D3, and I had high hopes for the Barons' program. I wonder what Hiram would do to them this season...

*Heh heh. If you click on the link for the Franciscan game from Hiram's 2008-09 season results (http://www.hiram.edu/athletics/menssports/basketball/2008-09MBBSchedule.html), you get the box from a win over Witt exactly one year later. Just think happy thoughts!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 17, 2012, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 17, 2012, 04:52:05 PM
sac,
You could have saved yourself a lot of work. All of us in the National Pick 'Em League were convinced that Franciscan was the worst D3 team after they lost to winless (at the time) PSU-Altoona 67-52 on Franciscan's home court. It was one of our games of the week, since they were both winless, and Mr. Ypsi (who made out that week's schedule) suggested, before the final outcome of the game was known, that when they meet again on Feb. 8th I might consider placing the rematch on our schedule of that week. After the game was over KnightSlappy said, "So Franciscan just lost at home to one of the worst teams in D3 by 15 points. That's terrible." And Mr. Ypsi stated, "Yep.  I suspect magicman will not select the rematch AT PSU-Altoona on Feb. 8!"  They were both right. ;D In the rematch PSU-Altoona would be the lock of the week in the league. Your research however, did confirm what we already knew. 8-) 


I've suspected Franciscan might be the worst for quite some time and have mentioned it in passing on other boards.  I just had to check the numbers and be sure, it really isn't that much work and is pretty simple.



David--- according to their 'news' section, Franciscan just named their basketball floor after "Hank" Kuzma who apparently led the College of Steubenville  to a National Championship in 1958.  Steubenville was voted the #1 small college basketball team by UPI.  How's that for random trivia.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2012, 09:57:05 PM

UNE beat ENC tonight for their first win.  Yes, this is how it would have to be.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 18, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Three of the nine Franciscan players were home-schooled as well. I know they have organized home-school teams now, but still they may be at a disadvantage in player development.

... Didn't seem to hurt Tebow...

Unless you count his passing accuracy.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Three of the nine Franciscan players were home-schooled as well. I know they have organized home-school teams now, but still they may be at a disadvantage in player development.

... Didn't seem to hurt Tebow...

Unless you count his passing accuracy.....

And perhaps his choice of biblical passages instead of Matthew 6:6. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 18, 2012, 12:48:14 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Three of the nine Franciscan players were home-schooled as well. I know they have organized home-school teams now, but still they may be at a disadvantage in player development.

... Didn't seem to hurt Tebow...

Unless you count his passing accuracy.....

And perhaps his choice of biblical passages instead of Matthew 6:6. ;)

I think he'd reply with 1 Peter 3:15... with Ephesians 5:20 on the side for good measure
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:48:14 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Three of the nine Franciscan players were home-schooled as well. I know they have organized home-school teams now, but still they may be at a disadvantage in player development.

... Didn't seem to hurt Tebow...

Unless you count his passing accuracy.....

And perhaps his choice of biblical passages instead of Matthew 6:6. ;)

I think he'd reply with 1 Peter 3:15... with Ephesians 5:20 on the side for good measure

Not sure of the relevance of Peter (is Tebow's faith challenged at the times he goes down publicly?), and I think I'll take Jesus over Paul.  But I will now retreat to my closed room. ;)

I have nothing against Tebow.  His faith is clearly sincere.  I'm just SO sick of the 'cult' of Tebow.  He was NOT the best rookie QB this year (Newton beat him hands down).  He was not even #2 among young QBs (Matthew Stafford FINALLY stayed healthy for a season and, at 23, became the 4th QB in history to have 5,000 yards in a season).  And I don't blame Tebow for this - I don't think he even wanted the attention.  So (this is confusing!) I'm absolutely sick of Tebow, even though Tebow had nothing to do with it! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 18, 2012, 01:44:58 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:48:14 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Three of the nine Franciscan players were home-schooled as well. I know they have organized home-school teams now, but still they may be at a disadvantage in player development.

... Didn't seem to hurt Tebow...

Unless you count his passing accuracy.....

And perhaps his choice of biblical passages instead of Matthew 6:6. ;)

I think he'd reply with 1 Peter 3:15... with Ephesians 5:20 on the side for good measure

Not sure of the relevance of Peter (is Tebow's faith challenged at the times he goes down publicly?), and I think I'll take Jesus over Paul.  But I will now retreat to my closed room. ;)

I have nothing against Tebow.  His faith is clearly sincere.  I'm just SO sick of the 'cult' of Tebow.  He was NOT the best rookie QB this year (Newton beat him hands down).  He was not even #2 among young QBs (Matthew Stafford FINALLY stayed healthy for a season and, at 23, became the 4th QB in history to have 5,000 yards in a season).  And I don't blame Tebow for this - I don't think he even wanted the attention.  So (this is confusing!) I'm absolutely sick of Tebow, even though Tebow had nothing to do with it! :P

I'm not sure that "challenged" applies there... I think the NIV or KJV has it better... rather than "give a defense," I think "give an answer" is more accurate.  Though one could counter that 1 Peter 3:15 admonishes one to give an answer when asked about the hope that they have... and nobody's asking Tebow...


I think that the hubbub about Tebow has come from people attributing things to him that he never said... never did he say that God had caused his team to win... sure he regularly thanks his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Eph 5:20).  But this is in victory AND defeat!  Tebow hasn't paraded around and said "My God is bigger than yours!" 


Back to your regularly scheduled program...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2012, 05:32:12 AM
Principia and Poly both get clobbered.......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 18, 2012, 08:30:48 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 01:13:17 AM
I have nothing against Tebow.  His faith is clearly sincere.  I'm just SO sick of the 'cult' of Tebow.  He was NOT the best rookie QB this year (Newton beat him hands down). 

Newton can't beat Tebow for Rookie QB of the Year honors.  Tebow wasn't a rookie. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on January 18, 2012, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:48:14 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Three of the nine Franciscan players were home-schooled as well. I know they have organized home-school teams now, but still they may be at a disadvantage in player development.

... Didn't seem to hurt Tebow...

Unless you count his passing accuracy.....

And perhaps his choice of biblical passages instead of Matthew 6:6. ;)

I think he'd reply with 1 Peter 3:15... with Ephesians 5:20 on the side for good measure

Not sure of the relevance of Peter (is Tebow's faith challenged at the times he goes down publicly?), and I think I'll take Jesus over Paul.  But I will now retreat to my closed room. ;)

At the risk of going off topic  ;), I don't think Jesus is actually saying that one must pray only in private. I think the point of that passage in Matthew is that it's the sincerity of prayer that's valued and not the demonstration and/or wordiness of the prayer. If Tebow is 'Tebowing' for the demonstration, that's bad. If he's doing it with sincerity, that's good.

So how about that Franciscan team, huh? They seem pretty bad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 18, 2012, 10:05:19 AM
We'll be back to "Squibbles of Faith" after this word from our sponsor... ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 18, 2012, 10:53:47 AM
Updated lists through 1-17:

nwhoops bites the dust and the survivor pool is down to 3 players. Undefeated list is down to 4 teams

Undefeated

Middlebury                                           magicman                        Next: At Hamilton 1-20
MIT                                                     Hugenerd                         Next: Hosts WPI 1-21
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps                       stagg44                           Next: At Whittier 1-21
Mary Hardin Baylor                                                                      Next: At McMurry 1-21

Dropped off: Grinnell (Lost at Carroll 109-106 on 1-14), Franklin & Marshall (Lost to Washington College 78-74 on 1-14)   



Winless     

Principia                                            hopefan                               Next: Hosts Eureka 1-21
Polytechnic                                        PointSpecial                         Next: At Suny-Maritime 1-21
Earlham                                                                                        Next : At Franklin 1-21
Elmira                                                                                           Next: At Ithaca 1-20
Franciscan                                                                                     Next: Hosts Pitt-Bradford 1-21
Berry                                                                                            Next: At Shorter 1-23
Martin Luther                                                                                Next: At Presentation 1-20

Dropped off: Lyndon State (Defeated Maine Maritime 81-56 on 1-14), University of New England (Defeated Eastern Nazarene 60-54 on 1-17)



Undefeated vs D3 Only (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope                                                                                               Next: Hosts Olivet on 1-21

Dropped off: Dubuque (Lost to Luther 66-44 on 1-16


Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist                                                                             Next: At Benedictine 1-21

Dropped off: La Verne (Defeats Cal-Lutheran 65-53 on 1-14)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2012, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 01:44:58 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:48:14 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2012, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 18, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Three of the nine Franciscan players were home-schooled as well. I know they have organized home-school teams now, but still they may be at a disadvantage in player development.

... Didn't seem to hurt Tebow...

Unless you count his passing accuracy.....

And perhaps his choice of biblical passages instead of Matthew 6:6. ;)

I think he'd reply with 1 Peter 3:15... with Ephesians 5:20 on the side for good measure

Not sure of the relevance of Peter (is Tebow's faith challenged at the times he goes down publicly?), and I think I'll take Jesus over Paul.  But I will now retreat to my closed room. ;)

I have nothing against Tebow.  His faith is clearly sincere.  I'm just SO sick of the 'cult' of Tebow.  He was NOT the best rookie QB this year (Newton beat him hands down).  He was not even #2 among young QBs (Matthew Stafford FINALLY stayed healthy for a season and, at 23, became the 4th QB in history to have 5,000 yards in a season).  And I don't blame Tebow for this - I don't think he even wanted the attention.  So (this is confusing!) I'm absolutely sick of Tebow, even though Tebow had nothing to do with it! :P

I'm not sure that "challenged" applies there... I think the NIV or KJV has it better... rather than "give a defense," I think "give an answer" is more accurate.  Though one could counter that 1 Peter 3:15 admonishes one to give an answer when asked about the hope that they have... and nobody's asking Tebow...


I think that the hubbub about Tebow has come from people attributing things to him that he never said... never did he say that God had caused his team to win... sure he regularly thanks his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Eph 5:20).  But this is in victory AND defeat!  Tebow hasn't paraded around and said "My God is bigger than yours!" 


Back to your regularly scheduled program...

Yeah, Tebow's been hurt by the overreaction of everyone around him.  He never asked to start - he's just been willing to play when called upon.  Granted, he's not telling anyone to back off either, but much of the hoopla is outside of his control.  Personally, I think he's a terrible QB - and much too talented and charismatic to waste his time playing football poorly - but Denver fans are idiots and they deserve whatever they get.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 18, 2012, 11:21:40 AM
Best chances for a loss:

Middlebury: 2/11 @ Amherst (47% win probability)
MIT 2/15 @ WPI (73% win probability)
CMS 1/18 @ Pomona Pitzer (72% win probability)
UMHB 1/19 @ Hardin Simmons (51% win probability)

+++

Hope 2/1 @ Adrian (81% win probability)

Best chances for a win;

Principia 1/17 vs. Fontbonne (23% win probability)
Polytechnic 1/21 @ NY Maritime (14% win probability)
Earlham 2/11 vs. Mt. St. Joseph (33% win probability)
Elmira 2/11 vs. Utica (15% win probability)
Franciscan 2/8 @ PSU - Altoona (8% win probability)
Berry 2/21 vs. Covenant (43% win probability)
Martin Luther 2/4 vs. Presentation (49% win probability)

+++++

Maranatha Baptist 1/19 vs. Marian (WI) (32% win probability)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CMSfan on January 18, 2012, 07:46:46 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 18, 2012, 11:21:40 AM
CMS 1/18 @ Pomona Pitzer (72% win probability)

I wish I believed the odds were that good.  Seems like any time these two play it's a battle.  On paper, this is probably the toughest single game left for CMS in the regular season.

Go Stags!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 19, 2012, 05:40:57 AM
Last nights action:

Undefeated:   CMS stays that way with a nail biter. THe Stags beat Pomona-Pitzer 57-55. They also claim The Belt.TM

Winless:  Earlham almost said goodbye but came up just a bit short losing to Defiance 66-65.

Undefeated vs D3:
And the rivalry draws over 3500 fans as Hope comes from behind to defeat Calvin and remain undefeated vs D3. The Flying Dutchmen sailed right past Calvin, as they turned a 8 pt deficit into an 11 point lead with a 22-5 burst midway through the 2nd half. Final score was 81-65.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
It sure looked like the undefeated list would shrink tonite - UMHB trailed by double-digits a majority of the game, and has NEVER led.  But they are going to OT in Abilene.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2012, 10:56:38 PM
No shrinkage tonight!  UMHB 75, Hardin-Simmons 73 in OT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 20, 2012, 12:38:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2012, 10:56:38 PM
No shrinkage tonight!  UMHB 75, Hardin-Simmons 73 in OT.

Other results tonight:

Polytechnic stays winless as they lose to Mount St. Mary 90-68.

Maranatha Baptist stays winless vs D3 as they lose to Marion 70-55.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CityD3 on January 21, 2012, 12:26:12 AM
Polytech playing SUNY Maritime today. Poly gonna get its first win. You heard it heree first!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2012, 09:56:50 AM
Results of 1-20:

Middlebury remains undefeated as they beat Hamilton 76-64

Elmira remains winless as they lose to Ithaca 75-70

Martin Luther remains winless as they lose to Presentation 85-79
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2012, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: CityD3 on January 21, 2012, 12:26:12 AM
Polytech playing SUNY Maritime today. Poly gonna get its first win. You heard it heree first!

Well, They certainly have an opportunity to get a win today, but they lost at home to Maritime, why should we think they'll beat them on the road? At any rate I wouldn't bet the farm on them today. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
Updated lists through 1-20:

nwhoops bites the dust and the survivor pool is down to 3 players. Undefeated list is down to 4 teams
Hugenerd 's MIT drops from the unbeaten list and then there were two.
stag44's Claremont-Mudd-Scripps  falls off the list and magicman is the winner
Undefeated

Middlebury Wins                                          magicman                        Next: Hosts Plattsburgh State 1-24
MIT                                                     Hugenerd                         Next: Hosts WPI 1-21
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps                       stag44                                     Next: At Whittier 1-21                                     

Dropped off: Grinnell (Lost at Carroll 109-106 on 1-14), Franklin & Marshall (Lost to Washington College 78-74 on 1-14), MIT (Lost to WPI 80-68 on 1-21), Mary Hardin-Baylor (Lost to McMurry 75-71 on 1-21) Clremont-Mudd-Scripps (Lost to Whittier 88-85 on 1-21)



Winless

After wrong scores were posted earlier in the month, an official verification has taken place and for the first time in 48 games dating back to January 25, 2009, the Fighting Blue Jays from NYU-Polytechnic have tasted victory. Tonight they have defeated SUNY-Maritime 70-50. PointSpecial fought a valiant battle but goes down to defeat at the hands of the Midwest Wizard : hopefan. The porcelain toilet bowl trophy should arrive in the next 7 to 10 days directly from Monkey-Wards Chicago Headquarters     

Principia                                            hopefan                               Next: Hosts Eureka 1-21
Polytechnic                                        PointSpecial                         Next: At Suny-Maritime 1-21
Earlham                                                                                        Next : At Franklin 1-21
Elmira                                                                                           Next: At Utica 1-21
Franciscan                                                                                     Next: Hosts Pitt-Bradford 1-21
Berry                                                                                            Next: At Shorter 1-23
Martin Luther                                                                                Next: At Minnesota-Morris 1-21

Dropped off: Lyndon State (Defeated Maine Maritime 81-56 on 1-14), University of New England (Defeated Eastern Nazarene 60-54 on 1-17), Polytechnic (Defeated SUNY-Maritime 70-50 1-21)



Undefeated vs D3 Only (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope                                                                                               Next: Hosts Olivet on 1-21

Dropped off: Dubuque (Lost to Luther 66-44 on 1-16


Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist                                                                             Next: At Benedictine 1-21

Dropped off: La Verne (Defeats Cal-Lutheran 65-53 on 1-14)


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2012, 04:49:36 PM
Down goes Hugenerd.  WPI 80, MIT 68!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 21, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
A double-digit home loss to fall off the unbeaten list. Ouch!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 21, 2012, 07:36:01 PM
Another one gone...

UMHB loses to McMurry 75-71. Two undefeated left, and both are accounted for in the contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2012, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 21, 2012, 07:36:01 PM
Another one gone...

UMHB loses to McMurry 75-71. Two undefeated left, and both are accounted for in the contest.

Now that's what I would call perceptive intuition. Look at all the ones that weren't chosen, hung around for a time and have fallen by the wayside. 8-)

I congratulate my opponent on a wise choice. I think he's going to win as well, since Middlebury has to play Amherst and Williams yet. Not to mention my Plattsburgh State Cardinals on Tuesday. ;D  A game I plan on traveling to Middlebury to see. I figure in case they do win the survivor pool it will be nice to have seen them play live and in person. I'm afraid if Whittier doesn't pull off the upset tonight that the Stags will run the rest of the table. Or at least win through the end of January and Midd has to play Williams on January 28th.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2012, 08:54:45 PM
MAGIC.... PLEASE.... check the other side of the ledger!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2012, 08:59:31 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 21, 2012, 08:54:45 PM
MAGIC.... PLEASE.... check the other side of the ledger!!!!!

Will be coming right up hopefan.  ;D Been getting calls from some coaches with questions in between my posting. Trying to multitask and my typing skills don't allow that. :D But I hear you.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2012, 09:05:01 PM
Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner. The judge from St Louis scored it 10-7 in favor of hopefan. The judge from Wiscosin scored it 10-9 in favor of PointSpecial and the winner is:


hopefan...hopefan


as NYU-Polytechnic goes down to defeat by beating NY Maritime 70-50.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 21, 2012, 09:09:13 PM
That's not just easing off the winless list, that's forcing your way off of it big time.

Now let's hope everyone gets a win!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CityD3 on January 21, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 21, 2012, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: CityD3 on January 21, 2012, 12:26:12 AM
Polytech playing SUNY Maritime today. Poly gonna get its first win. You heard it heree first!

Well, They certainly have an opportunity to get a win today, but they lost at home to Maritime, why should we think they'll beat them on the road? At any rate I wouldn't bet the farm on them today. ;D

Where is billyballer now? I gues poly wasn't the worst team ever assembled. Congrats to the fighting blue jays and hopefan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
Thanks City... I owe it all to NY Poly not calling it quits and getting a win!!!   and yes, back when Poly was known as Brooklyn Poly, hopefan had double figures for RPI in a win down in Brooklyn under the old bubble... circa 1969 or 70.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 21, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
Thanks City... I owe it all to NY Poly not calling it quits and getting a win!!!   and yes, back when Poly was known as Brooklyn Poly, hopefan had double figures for RPI in a win down in Brooklyn under the old bubble... circa 1969 or 70.....

What am I chopped liver? Who got you the score you were so deperately seekng? Who put your name in lights when that score was announced by Michael Buffer? Who's seeing to it that you get that wonderful tropy? Sheeesh not even a mention. Frankly,I'm  :o 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2012, 12:10:40 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 21, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 21, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
Thanks City... I owe it all to NY Poly not calling it quits and getting a win!!!   and yes, back when Poly was known as Brooklyn Poly, hopefan had double figures for RPI in a win down in Brooklyn under the old bubble... circa 1969 or 70.....

What am I chopped liver? Who got you the score you were so deperately seekng? Who put your name in lights when that score was announced by Michael Buffer? Who's seeing to it that you get that wonderful tropy? Sheeesh not even a mention. Frankly,I'm  :o

How soon they forget all the little people who got them there once they've seen their names up in lights on Broadway.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2012, 12:16:57 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2012, 12:10:40 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 21, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 21, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
Thanks City... I owe it all to NY Poly not calling it quits and getting a win!!!   and yes, back when Poly was known as Brooklyn Poly, hopefan had double figures for RPI in a win down in Brooklyn under the old bubble... circa 1969 or 70.....

What am I chopped liver? Who got you the score you were so deperately seekng? Who put your name in lights when that score was announced by Michael Buffer? Who's seeing to it that you get that wonderful tropy? Sheeesh not even a mention. Frankly,I'm  :o



How soon they forget all the little people who got them there once they've seen their names up in lights on Broadway.

Ain't it the truth....Ain't it the truth!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2012, 12:19:44 AM
Can I get lucky tonight like hopefan. Whittier leading CMS in overtime 88-85 with 9 seconds left.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
Yes I can as Whittier takes down Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 88-85 in overtime.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 12:26:18 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 22, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
Yes I can as Whittier takes down Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 88-85 in overtime.

Congratulations!

Gonna be wild on the Top 25 voting this week - carnage all over the place!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dahlby on January 22, 2012, 12:33:02 AM
It was Whittier over CMS in DOUBLE OVERTIME...Whittier forced CMS to play their game,.I was surprised to see that happen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2012, 12:48:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 12:26:18 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 22, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
Yes I can as Whittier takes down Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 88-85 in overtime.

Congratulations!

Gonna be wild on the Top 25 voting this week - carnage all over the place!

Thanks Mr Y.  Gonna be wild in Plattsburgh as an army of my fans have been waiting for this moment for years. To finally reach the pinnacle well, this says it all........I'm going to DisneyWorld And that's Panther Blue by the way.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2012, 01:05:44 AM
So now with the contest portion of the contest over, we can get down to some serious tracking of the progress of the winners, but especially the losers, as we hope they become winners.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2012, 03:12:02 AM
Magic... the two old guys showed em, eh?    When's the invitation to the white house coming?

     Magicman......Hopefan......Magicman.... ......Hopefan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2012, 03:55:46 AM
of the winless 6, I'd say prior scores show   Berry (lost at Covenant by 3, have them at home), and Martin Luther (Crown twice, Northland and Presentation are all opportunities for wins) have the best shots at wins...

Elmira has it a little tougher... They just had close losses to both Utica and Ithaca and has them both at home

Earlham is similar....lost very close AT Defiance and Bluffton, have them both at home

Hard to say where Prin might find a win... Blackburn and Fontbonne are the next two teams in the standings of the SLIAC, and both handled Prin easily at Prin, but Prin could play with either on a good night..... Prin has non conference games left at Lindenwood Belleville and Lincoln Christian..... either is a possible chance, but doubtful

And Franciscan... well...they've lost double digits to every D3 team they've played...mid teens to D'youville, PSU-Altoona, Pitt-Greensburg... and they play each again.... but it looks pretty dismal
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2012, 06:15:58 AM
For the undefeated, the team I picked (Hope) is still in the race (against D3).  I know that was not originally part of the contest.  So I challenge magicman to a double or nothing (both are the same in this case) Undefeated Against D3 contest - to continue the competition just a litlle longer???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2012, 10:39:29 AM
Don't do it Magic... that Flying Dutch guy is a con man from way back!!!    and Hope, you'll notice, has no Amhersts or Williams on their schedule!!!   Take the money and hardware and RUN!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Hope - Middlebury    all the marbles in March?? ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
Knowing the way the year has gone, Hope and Middlebury will lose on the first weekend!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2012, 11:37:42 AM
Nothing can ever be taken for granted in the Tourney  (though if you match up with one of my SLIAC teams, you gotta feel pretty good about getting to Round 2...... BUT ONE OF THESE YEARS!!!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2012, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2012, 06:15:58 AM
For the undefeated, the team I picked (Hope) is still in the race (against D3).  I know that was not originally part of the contest.  So I challenge magicman to a double or nothing (both are the same in this case) Undefeated Against D3 contest - to continue the competition just a litlle longer???

Sorry FDF, my management team (hopefan) has spoken and I must repectfully decline. (He, being hopefan, and you being FDF, leads me to believe that the "con man from way back" connotation must have some validity ???)  The contest rules state: "Undefeated" it doesn't say "Undefeated Against D3". That's why you have a choice at the beginning of the season. If you aren't sure if your choice can win those non D3 contests then it would be best to make another choice. ;) Or live with your decision. ;D Middlebury clearly has a 0 in their 16-0 record. Hope clearly has not. With two of their toughest games coming up, Middlebury would be at a distinct disadvantage compared to the cupcakes Hope has to play. ;D I'm not going to lose a loaded proposition at this stage of the season and have the lustre taken off my Crown. If we get lucky maybe they'll meet in March. Then we can resurrect this conversation.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2012, 01:40:18 PM
Complete results from 1-21:  Teams in bold are on the various lists

Undefeated     We have a winner. The only undefeated team in all of D3 is.......Middlebury

WPI 80  MIT 68 

McMurry 75 Mary Hardin-Baylor 71

Whittier 88  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 85


Winless   Six teams left on the list

NYU-Polytechnic 70  SUNY-Maritime 50  1st win for the Fighting Blue Jays in 48 games.

Eureka 88  Principia 55

Franklin 73  Earlham 53

Utica 76  Elmira 69

Pitt-Bradford 71  Franciscan 40

Minnesaota-Morris 79  Martin Luther 59

Berry did not play

Dropped off: NYU-Polytechnic (Defeated SUNY-Maritime 70-50 on 1-21)

Undefeated vs D3

Hope 84  Olivet 53



Winless vs D3 Only

Benedictine 59  Maranatha Baptist 57
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
magicman - I don't blame you for not "taking the bait".  I will say however, that being called a "con man from way back" by hopefan is alot like having Michael Jordan call me a great basketball player  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 22, 2012, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 21, 2012, 09:09:13 PM
That's not just easing off the winless list, that's forcing your way off of it big time.

Now let's hope everyone gets a win!

Amen to that... I actually started hoping I'd lose a few weeks ago.  It has to be miserable going out every single game and getting drilled.

Throughout my entire basketball career, I only once had to suffer through an almost-winless season (it was in 3rd grade basketball... we lost every game up until our final game of the year and we had a 1 point lead with 30 seconds left... I got the ball at the free throw line and just held it for 30 seconds and we got the win!!!  Nobody thought to foul me and there was no closely-guarded rule in that league... you could say I played the system or that I just played to win!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 22, 2012, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 21, 2012, 09:09:13 PM
That's not just easing off the winless list, that's forcing your way off of it big time.

Now let's hope everyone gets a win!

Amen to that... I actually started hoping I'd lose a few weeks ago.  It has to be miserable going out every single game and getting drilled.

Throughout my entire basketball career, I only once had to suffer through an almost-winless season (it was in 3rd grade basketball... we lost every game up until our final game of the year and we had a 1 point lead with 30 seconds left... I got the ball at the free throw line and just held it for 30 seconds and we got the win!!!  Nobody thought to foul me and there was no closely-guarded rule in that league... you could say I played the system or that I just played to win!)

Good thinkin' for an eight year old!  And you were only 6'1" back then! ;)

I never played on a team that threatened to go winless (some were pretty bad, but never winless), but coached a youth soccer team that was drilled nearly every game, then won the last one - the celebration was almost as if we won the national title! ;D  I think the celebration was actually more joyous than the two soccer teams I coached that went undefeated!

So, yeah, I'm now rooting for all the winless teams.  In fact, if Earlham or Franciscan played my Titans, I think I'd actually root for the other guys (as humiliating as that would be).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 23, 2012, 01:02:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
So, yeah, I'm now rooting for all the winless teams.  In fact, if Earlham or Franciscan played my Titans, I think I'd actually root for the other guys (as humiliating as that would be).

If PointSpecial believes that, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell him! ???

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2012, 01:43:37 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2012, 01:02:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
So, yeah, I'm now rooting for all the winless teams.  In fact, if Earlham or Franciscan played my Titans, I think I'd actually root for the other guys (as humiliating as that would be).

If PointSpecial believes that, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell him! ???

Oh all right - I went a bit too far!  I NEVER root against my Titans.  But out of sympathy, I would mourn less than if they lost to a 4-19 team! 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 23, 2012, 02:07:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2012, 01:43:37 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2012, 01:02:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
So, yeah, I'm now rooting for all the winless teams.  In fact, if Earlham or Franciscan played my Titans, I think I'd actually root for the other guys (as humiliating as that would be).

If PointSpecial believes that, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell him! ???

Oh all right - I went a bit too far!  I NEVER root against my Titans.  But out of sympathy, I would mourn less than if they lost to a 4-19 team! 8-)
I can accept that. But then you'd have to read the disparaging posts from Titan Q, iwu70, and Greg, ripping the Titans for losing to a 4-19 team. ;D And if it was a winless team it would be even worse!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2012, 05:54:19 AM
While searching for the Rust - Fisk score, I came across the fact that Shorter (no, not Frank) has risen to No 1 in NAIA D1....  ugh, winless Berry has them tonight......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 23, 2012, 10:25:40 AM
We could, of course, wait until the next Fisk game, compare the W/L record on the stat program and see who won at least.

I don't understand why some schools just don't update their web site at least weekly. Certainly they have some fans around the country, right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 23, 2012, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
magicman - I don't blame you for not "taking the bait".  I will say however, that being called a "con man from way back" by hopefan is alot like having Michael Jordan call me a great basketball player  ;D

Plus k.  I could tell that you two had some common denominators. 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 23, 2012, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2012, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
magicman - I don't blame you for not "taking the bait".  I will say however, that being called a "con man from way back" by hopefan is alot like having Michael Jordan call me a great basketball player  ;D

Plus k.  I could tell that you two had some common denominators. 8-)

Or at least a common denomination   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2012, 01:38:19 PM
The secret is out    Flying Dutch Fan is a closet..... SLIAC FAN!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2012, 12:46:13 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2012, 02:07:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2012, 01:43:37 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2012, 01:02:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
So, yeah, I'm now rooting for all the winless teams.  In fact, if Earlham or Franciscan played my Titans, I think I'd actually root for the other guys (as humiliating as that would be).

If PointSpecial believes that, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell him! ???

Oh all right - I went a bit too far!  I NEVER root against my Titans.  But out of sympathy, I would mourn less than if they lost to a 4-19 team! 8-)
I can accept that. But then you'd have to read the disparaging posts from Titan Q, iwu70, and Greg, ripping the Titans for losing to a 4-19 team. ;D And if it was a winless team it would be even worse!!

You apparently don't read CCIW Chat much, Mr. Prestidigitator. Yes, Titan Q would tell it like it is and give us a terse three-sentence summary of how awful his alma mater's team looked in losing to a 4-19 team. But iwu70? The words "ripping the Titans" are definitely not in his vocabulary. Instead, he'd talk about the IWU women's team's victory that day ... or bring up some IWU flashback from the Nixon administration ... or give us one of his classic five-paragraph synopses of the glories of the IWU junior varsity. ;)

He doesn't drink the green kool-ade. He filled his pool with it and swims in it. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 24, 2012, 04:14:15 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
So, yeah, I'm now rooting for all the winless teams.  In fact, if Earlham or Franciscan played my Titans, I think I'd actually root for the other guys (as humiliating as that would be).
I'm quite happy my Grizzlies have made it through their 2 games with Earlham for the year and won't be the ones to fall to the Quakers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 25, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2012, 12:46:13 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2012, 02:07:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2012, 01:43:37 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 23, 2012, 01:02:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
So, yeah, I'm now rooting for all the winless teams.  In fact, if Earlham or Franciscan played my Titans, I think I'd actually root for the other guys (as humiliating as that would be).

If PointSpecial believes that, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell him! ???

Oh all right - I went a bit too far!  I NEVER root against my Titans.  But out of sympathy, I would mourn less than if they lost to a 4-19 team! 8-)
I can accept that. But then you'd have to read the disparaging posts from Titan Q, iwu70, and Greg, ripping the Titans for losing to a 4-19 team. ;D And if it was a winless team it would be even worse!!

You apparently don't read CCIW Chat much, Mr. Prestidigitator. Yes, Titan Q would tell it like it is and give us a terse three-sentence summary of how awful his alma mater's team looked in losing to a 4-19 team. But iwu70? The words "ripping the Titans" are definitely not in his vocabulary. Instead, he'd talk about the IWU women's team's victory that day ... or bring up some IWU flashback from the Nixon administration ... or give us one of his classic five-paragraph synopses of the glories of the IWU junior varsity. ;)

He doesn't drink the green kool-ade. He filled his pool with it and swims in it. ;)

It's midnite, I'm just back in town from watching Middlebury manhandle my Cardinals, ( although they hung in there for about 30 minutes) and I'm just reading your post. You are so correct, especially about iwu70. I've been laughing for 3 solid minutes. Plus k.

And I read the CCIW Chat daily. How else would I know that A.  you're a "Posting Legend" and B.  Butterscotch pudding was served on board the Titanic the night it went down. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 26, 2012, 02:01:01 AM
Earlham nearly gets off the winless list leading Bluffton by 12 at halftime and by 16 with less than 11 minutes left. Bluffton takes the lead with 17 seconds left but Earlham scores with 7 seconds left to lead by 1. Bluffton gets the basket with a second left and hold off the Quakers 73-72.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 26, 2012, 03:41:34 PM
Updated lists through 1-25:

Undefeated

Middlebury  17-0                                          magicman                      Next: Hosts Williams 1-28



Winless
   
Principia      0-17                                       hopefan                          Next: At Lindenwood (Ill.) USCAA  1-28
Earlham       0-18                                                                             Next : Hosts Anderson 1-28
Elmira          0-17                                                                            Next: Hosts St. John Fisher 1-27
Franciscan   0-17                                                                             Next: Hosts Medaille 1-28
Berry           0-17                                                                             Next: Host Rust 1-28
Martin Luther   0-15                                                                         Next: Hosts Northwestern (Minn.) 1-27


Undefeated vs D3 Only (with a loss to a non D3)

Hope  17-1 overall  10-0 vs D3                                                           Next: Hosts Alma on 1-28



Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist  2-12 overall   0-9 vs D3                                          Next: Hosts Rockford 1-28

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 26, 2012, 10:46:59 PM
Tonights results:

Principia stays winless losing to Greenville 95-71

Maranatha Baptist stays winless vs D3 losing to Lakeland 94-65
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 26, 2012, 11:04:10 PM
On the bright side, it looks like Principia has 10 players now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2012, 08:20:30 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 26, 2012, 11:04:10 PM
On the bright side, it looks like Principia has 10 players now.
One of the added players is Stanley Beal... he started last year and is a pretty decent player... he's averaged about 10 points a game since his return, but it hasn't been enough to come close to a win for Prin....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 29, 2012, 08:20:37 AM
Updated lists     Results for Jan. 27th and 28th:

Undefeated

Middlebury 18-0 defeated Williams 80-79                                   Next: At Keene State  January 31st


Undefeated against D3 (with a loss to non D3)

Hope 18-1 defeated Alma 104-77                                                Next: At Adrian February 1st


Winless

Principia 0-18 lost to Lindenwood (Ill) USCAA  93-69                                Next: Host MacMurry on January 31st

Earlham 0-19 lost to Anderson 83-57                                                      Next: At Translyvania February 1st

Elmira 0-19 lost to St. John Fisher 65-52 on 1-27                                     Next: At Hamilton January 31st
                  lost to Nazareth 90-78 on 1-28

Franciscan  lost to Medaille 85-48                                                            Next:Hosts Pitt-Greensburg on February 1st

Berry 1-17 Defeated Rust 93-90 in overtime    and drops off the winless list      Poster Rust College can't be happy about that

Martin Luther 0-17   lost to Northwestern (Minn) 95-56 on 1-27                  Next: At Bethany Lutheran January 31st
                              lost to Crown 85-76 on 1-28


Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist 2-13 overall 0-10 vs D3 lost to Rockford 72-65              Next: At Wisconsin Lutheran January 31st
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2012, 08:39:06 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 29, 2012, 08:20:37 AM

Berry 1-17 Defeated Rust 93-90 in overtime    and drops off the winless list      Poster Rust College can't be happy about that

Poster Rust College was busy celebrating his Ladies' Rust win over Berry, 48-44, and trying to figure out how to improve on their 8-12 record.... when I spoke to him in December, he was the Ladies' head coach....

Rust men's decline has surprised me... lots of athleticism, but some consistently poor decision making and fundamentals....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 31, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
Down goes Middlebury, and there are no purely undefeated teams left in D-1!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2012, 02:19:31 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
Down goes Middlebury, and there are no purely undefeated teams left in D-1!

D-1?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 01, 2012, 02:54:13 PM
D'oh!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2012, 04:59:49 PM
BUT, there is one team that has not yet been defeated by a D3 team ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 01, 2012, 10:14:15 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 01, 2012, 04:59:49 PM
BUT, there is one team that has not yet been defeated by a D3 team ;) ;) ;)

Yes, and I'm the one guy (at least the first one for sure)  who picked them :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 02, 2012, 08:21:34 PM
Updated lists    Results from Jan. 29th through Feb. 2nd:

Undefeated

Middlebury 18-1        Lost  at Keene State 77-76 on  January 31st            No more undefeated teams left in D III


Undefeated against D3 (with a loss to non D3)

Hope 19-1            Won at Adrian 64-47                                                   Next: At Albion February 4th


Winless

Principia 0-20      Lost to   Lost to MacMurry 84-79 on Jan. 31st                    Next: At Spalding on Feb.4th
                          Lost to Lincoln Christian (NCCAA)  94-82 on Feb.2nd 
                                                                                                                                                   
Earlham 0-20     Lost to Translyvania 89-76 on Feb 1st                                                  Next: At Hanover Feb. 4th

Elmira 0-20        Lost to Hamilton 53-48 on Jan. 31st                                                    Next: At Stevens Feb. 3rd
                 
Franciscan 0-19  Lost to Pitt-Greensburg 86-52 on Feb. 1st                                             Next: At Hilbert Feb. 4th

Martin Luther 0-18  Lost at Bethany Lutheran 83-66 on Jan. 31st                                    Next: Hosts Minnesota Morris Feb.3rd
                             


Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist 2-15 overall 0-12 vs D3   Lost to Wisconsin Lutheran 72-66 on Jan. 31st       Next: Hosts Faith Baptist Bible Feb 4th
                                                                Lost to Concordia (Wis.) 74-46 on Feb. 2nd                          (NCCAA  Record 9-11)
                                 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 02, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
I think Earlham is really missing those two annual bites at Oberlin's apple right about now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 04, 2012, 05:08:04 PM
They may be missing those bites at Oberlin, but the Quake stunned Hanover today!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 04, 2012, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 04, 2012, 05:08:04 PM
They may be missing those bites at Oberlin, but the Quake stunned Hanover today!

It's true, you know it's true!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 04, 2012, 06:56:34 PM
How have we survived without our Travis Brett updates?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 05, 2012, 02:28:10 PM
Martin Luther   H   UMAC   73   Presentation   A   UMAC   69
Hanover   H   HCAC   53   Earlham   A   HCAC   57

Leaving Principia, Franciscan, and Elmira   Winless    and Hope undefeated vs D3


   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 05, 2012, 04:32:50 PM
Don't forget Maranatha Baptist...winless vs. D-3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 09, 2012, 06:29:51 AM
Updated lists    Results from Feb. 2nd through Feb. 9th:

Undefeated

Middlebury 21-1        Lost  at Keene State 77-76 on  January 31st            No more undefeated teams left in D III


Undefeated against D3 (with a loss to non D3)

Hope 21-1            Won at Albion 75-69 on 2-4                                                          Next: At Calvin February 11th
                           Won vs Kalamazoo 87-59 on 2-8


Winless
Down to 2 teams left: Principia, and Franciscan (Ohio)

Principia 0-22      Lost at Spalding 82-52 on 2-4                    Next: At Fontbonne on Feb. 14th
                          Lost vs Webster 76-67 on 2-7
 
                                                                                                                                                   
Earlham 1-21     Won at Hanover 57-53 on 2-4  and drops off the winless list                                                 

Elmira 1-22        Lost at Stevens 71-60 on 2-3   Defeated Ithaca 70-62 on 2-10 and drops off the winless list                                               
                         Lost at Hartwick 59-52 on 2-4
                 
Franciscan (Ohio) 0-21  Lost at Hilbert 89-32 on 2-4                                             Next: Hosts Penn State-Behrend Feb. 11th
                         Lost at Penn State-Altoona 60-49 on 2-8

Martin Luther 1-19  Lost vs Minnesota-Morris 56-39 on 2-3                                   
                             Won vs Presentation 73-69 on 2-4 and drops off the winless list                           


Winless vs D3 Only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist 4-17 overall 0-14 vs D3   Lost at Concordia (Ill.) 66-47 on 2-4                 Next: Hosts Concordia (Wisc.) Feb 11th
                                                                Won vs Northland Int'l (non D3) 70-57 on 2-7
                                                                Lost vs Edgewood 72-59 on 2-9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 11, 2012, 05:53:31 AM
The Elmira Soaring Eagles vacate the winless list with a 70-62 victory over Ithaca College.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 11, 2012, 10:25:23 AM
Congrats to them!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 14, 2012, 04:05:36 AM
Updated Lists  Results through Feb. 17th

Undefeated

None left

Undefeated against D3 (with a loss to non D3)

Hope 24-1      Won vs Trine  65-46 on Feb. 18th                                            Next: MIAA tourney hosts Calvin on Feb. 22nd

Winless

Principia 0-24   Lost to Greenville 115-76 on Feb. 18th                                     Next: At Blackburn Feb 21st    Final game

Franciscan (Ohio) 0-24   Lost at D'Youville 79-62 on Feb 18th                            Next TBA AMCC tournament


Winless vs D3 only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist  4-21   Lost at Dominican 65-64 on feb. 18th                              Next: TBA Feb 23rd     
                                                                       
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2012, 10:57:09 AM
Principia has an 8% chance of spoiling Fontbonne's Valentine's Day!

Maranatha has a 10% chance of beating Marion. Those madame librarians are tough.

Unfortunately, Massey says there is a 0% chance that Franciscan can beat their last two foes. Nothing is unpossible, though!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 15, 2012, 09:27:49 AM
Prin goes down by 20 to Fontbonne, though Yjack's writeup in the SLIAC room shows it was a competitive game in first half....   Next up for Prin is Greenville, who is on a real upswing.... I'd give that one a big 0% also.. they then finish at Blackburn, a game that might be a little tighter, though Blackburn clearly has a talent edge.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 16, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2012, 10:57:09 AM


Unfortunately, Massey says there is a 0% chance that Franciscan can beat their last two foes. Nothing is unpossible, though!

Massey right... but oh so close  LaRoche needs OT to beat Franciscan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2012, 12:42:08 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 16, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2012, 10:57:09 AM


Unfortunately, Massey says there is a 0% chance that Franciscan can beat their last two foes. Nothing is unpossible, though!

Massey right... but oh so close  LaRoche needs OT to beat Franciscan

Sheesh!  And I have TWICE lost games on the National Pickems by picking against LaRoche! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 16, 2012, 01:07:55 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 16, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2012, 10:57:09 AM


Unfortunately, Massey says there is a 0% chance that Franciscan can beat their last two foes. Nothing is unpossible, though!

Massey right... but oh so close  LaRoche needs OT to beat Franciscan

If Franciscan had won that might have been Massey's least likely outcome of the year. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 19, 2012, 06:23:38 AM
Franciscan (Ohio) loses to D'Youville 79-62 to finish their regular season at 0-24. Interesting couple of lines found after their last game on their D3hoops team page which shows their schedule. Has to be the biggest case of wishful thinking of the season.



2/18   at D'Youville * •           L, 79-62
2/21   at TBA •                      TBA
         @ AMCC Tournament
3/1     at NCAA Tournament    TBA
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 19, 2012, 06:30:32 AM
Maranatha Baptist, winless against D3, almost pulls out a win in their final regular season game as they fall to Dominican 65-64 last night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 23, 2012, 03:48:20 AM
Updated Lists:    Results through Feb. 22nd

Undefeated  None left

Middlebury was the winner of the undefeated crown 

Undefeated against D3 (with a loss to non D3)

Hope 25-1    Won vs Calvin 87-80 on Feb. 22nd                         Next: Hosts Adrian in MIAA Championship game Feb. 25th 3 PM
Hope was the winner of the undefeated vs D3 crown

Winless

Principia 0-25   Lost at Blackburn 89-73 on 2-21                                     Next: Season complete

Franciscan (Ohio) 0-24   Lost at D'Youville 79-62 on Feb 18th                            Next: Season complete

Principia takes the overall winless crown by beating Franciscan in a tiebreaker. (Prin had 1 more loss than Franciscan)


Winless vs D3 only (with a win against non D3)

Maranatha Baptist  4-21   Lost at Dominican 65-64 on feb. 18th                              Next: At Northland I'ntl (non D3) on Feb 23rd
Maranatha takes the winless vs D3 crown.   
                   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on March 03, 2012, 09:34:42 PM
Well, it looks like Hope didn't stay winless vs. D-3 this year. IWU shocks 'em 108-101 in 2OT at home, even, during the tournament.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2012, 06:24:17 AM
With practices having started I'm ready to make my picks ;D

I'm taking Franklin & Marshall (it's got my school's name in it so that has to be good right?) to go undefeated
And Earlham (please don't beat my Grizzlies in the HCAC) to go winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 19, 2012, 07:58:40 AM
Well, it only makes sense to defend my winless crown with the team that won it for me...  Principia.. but I'll be challenged immediately when they face the Eutectics of St Louis Pharma the first weekend of the season..  could take me out of the running quickly!!

I don't want to step on anybody's toes with an undefeated pick by going with an obvious pick that someone who is a real supporter of would have more fun with.. (IE Hope, IWU, NC, MIT)  so I'll go with Oswego State for undefeated
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on October 19, 2012, 09:01:41 AM
winless:  Franciscan
undefeated:  Baldwin-Wallace
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 19, 2012, 09:05:18 AM
Sac... interesting pick with BW.. I was going to go with Bethany.. but saw they were at BW early and had to rule them out....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 19, 2012, 09:33:35 AM
I'll take Macalester for the third straight year for winless.
Calvin for undefeated for the sake of homerism.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on October 19, 2012, 09:34:25 AM
I'll take Scranton as undefeated and SUNY-Cobleskill as winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 19, 2012, 09:43:37 AM
come to think of it, I wonder how UMPI is going to be this year?  Wonder if the 7'3" kid will get to play this year.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on October 19, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
No roster, but I find is fascinating the UMPI will be playing Claremont M-S in December.  This might set a D3 record for greatest distance between two opponents. :P

http://owls.umpi.edu/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 19, 2012, 10:13:16 AM
Quote from: sac on October 19, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
No roster, but I find is fascinating the UMPI will be playing Claremont M-S in December.  This might set a D3 record for greatest distance between two opponents. :P

http://owls.umpi.edu/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule

And they're far apart geographically too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 19, 2012, 10:44:13 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on October 19, 2012, 10:13:16 AM
Quote from: sac on October 19, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
No roster, but I find is fascinating the UMPI will be playing Claremont M-S in December.  This might set a D3 record for greatest distance between two opponents. :P

http://owls.umpi.edu/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule

And they're far apart geographically too.

ZING!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 19, 2012, 10:47:37 AM
I'm taking MIT before Nerd does.  I don't see them struggling with anyone; their toughest game is going to RIC and that cave of a gym they have in Providence.


For the winless, I'm going to go with SUNY-Maritime this year.  It's a risky pick, but it's the best I can do.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on October 19, 2012, 11:52:01 AM
My brain says MIT will run the table but I'll vote my heart and say Williams will be undefeated and I'll go with Cal Tech as winless. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2012, 07:09:02 PM
I'll take Virginia Wesleyan as my undefeated, and NYU-Poly as my winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
undefeated: Middlebury
winless      : Bard

Bard-Caltech could be for the championship
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 19, 2012, 08:12:38 PM
I'll go with Amherst for undefeated, since Ronk just took my Middlebury pick while I was looking at some teams for a winless choice.  I won with Middlebury last year and was going to take them again. For my winless choice I'll take Maine-Maritime.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 19, 2012, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 19, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
undefeated: Middlebury
winless      : Bard

Bard-Caltech could be for the championship

I think Ronk could be the first player that exits the winless pool as Bard plays Albany Pharmacy to open the season on Nov. 15th. Last year's Bard team beat them 87-57 and Bard could be a better team this year. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 19, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
Wonder if St Louis Pharmacy and Albany Pharmacy have ever played.. 

Incidentally, I think Magic has a legitimate claim to picking Middlebury, having won with them last year...  Ronk??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
Didn't notice in time that this board had opened up - you guys have already taken all my top choices! ::)

Of the remaining picks for undefeated, I'd take Cabrini (who might finish 24-1), but their second game will likely be AT Va Wes!  Although it is a 'can't win', I'll be a homer and go with IWU.  (IF they can beat Harvard (possible) and IF the rumors about Hollingsworth are unfounded, MIT just might run the table 'til the postseason.)

For the no wins category, I'll take a flyer on Martin Luther - they absolutely cratered last year, though I know nothing about why or about this year.  I'm taking a long-shot that something has gone horribly wrong up there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on October 19, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
Wonder if St Louis Pharmacy and Albany Pharmacy have ever played.. 

Incidentally, I think Magic has a legitimate claim to picking Middlebury, having won with them last year...  Ronk??

  I'm willing to let magic have Middlebury in exchange for Amherst. Bard-Albany Pharmacy is a worry but I've heard that the pharmicists have come up with the antidote to losing this year's encounter.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 19, 2012, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 19, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on October 19, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
Wonder if St Louis Pharmacy and Albany Pharmacy have ever played.. 

Incidentally, I think Magic has a legitimate claim to picking Middlebury, having won with them last year...  Ronk??

  I'm willing to let magic have Middlebury in exchange for Amherst. Bard-Albany Pharmacy is a worry but I've heard that the pharmicists have come up with the antidote to losing this year's encounter.

ronk,

I appreciate the offer to switch and I'll take you up on that. I actually think Amherst might stay undefeated longer than Middlebury this year but I'd rather root for the Panthers as they are closer to my home and I like their coach, Jeff Brown, who I've followed since he was a player at the University of Vermont back in 1979-82. Amherst has an easier schedule than Midd does during November and December, so I might have done you a favor. I get to see Middlebury play early on when they come to Plattsburgh to take on my Plattsburgh State Cardinals on November 25th. We hung with them last year through the first 30 minutes over there and I'm hoping we can pull the upset at home this year, even if it cost me in the survivor pool. Thanks again for allowing me to have Middlebury. if I don't win I hope you do. 8-) Plus K.

Thanks hopefan,  for lobbying for me. I owe you one. ;) Sorry to hear you're not doing the D3 against the world board this year. You did give us a few good years though. Hopefully one of the computer whiz guys will step up and do it. Plus K for you too!.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2012, 11:56:28 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 19, 2012, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 19, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on October 19, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
Wonder if St Louis Pharmacy and Albany Pharmacy have ever played.. 

Incidentally, I think Magic has a legitimate claim to picking Middlebury, having won with them last year...  Ronk??

  I'm willing to let magic have Middlebury in exchange for Amherst. Bard-Albany Pharmacy is a worry but I've heard that the pharmicists have come up with the antidote to losing this year's encounter.

ronk,

I appreciate the offer to switch and I'll take you up on that. I actually think Amherst might stay undefeated longer than Middlebury this year but I'd rather root for the Panthers as they are closer to my home and I like their coach, Jeff Brown, who I've followed since he was a player at the University of Vermont back in 1979-82. Amherst has an easier schedule than Midd does during November and December, so I might have done you a favor. I get to see Middlebury play early on when they come to Plattsburgh to take on my Plattsburgh State Cardinals on November 25th. We hung with them last year through the first 30 minutes over there and I'm hoping we can pull the upset at home this year, even if it cost me in the survivor pool. Thanks again for allowing me to have Middlebury. if I don't win I hope you do. 8-) Plus K.

Thanks hopefan,  for lobbying for me. I owe you one. ;) Sorry to hear you're not doing the D3 against the world board this year. You did give us a few good years though. Hopefully one of the computer whiz guys will step up and do it. Plus K for you too!.

Ok, agreed. Ronk now has Amherst(undefeated) and Bard(winless).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on October 20, 2012, 06:15:22 AM
Kind of surprising that nobody has taken Rust as their undefeated pick....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on October 20, 2012, 08:34:58 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on October 20, 2012, 06:15:22 AM
Kind of surprising that nobody has taken Rust as their undefeated pick....

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 20, 2012, 09:52:27 AM
Boy did I open the floodgates with the first post this year or what? 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 20, 2012, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2012, 10:14:31 PMFor the no wins category, I'll take a flyer on Martin Luther - they absolutely cratered last year, though I know nothing about why or about this year.

Martin Luther's problem is that you can't play either offense or defense effectively when your motto is, "Here I stand. I can do no other." ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 20, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
Didn't notice in time that this board had opened up - you guys have already taken all my top choices! ::)

Of the remaining picks for undefeated, I'd take Cabrini (who might finish 24-1), but their second game will likely be AT Va Wes!  Although it is a 'can't win', I'll be a homer and go with IWU.  (IF they can beat Harvard (possible) and IF the rumors about Hollingsworth are unfounded, MIT just might run the table 'til the postseason.)

For the no wins category, I'll take a flyer on Martin Luther - they absolutely cratered last year, though I know nothing about why or about this year.  I'm taking a long-shot that something has gone horribly wrong up there.

Wait, Mr. "I have more time on the boards than anyone else" didn't notice that the thread started back up again?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 20, 2012, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 20, 2012, 09:52:27 AM
Boy did I open the floodgates with the first post this year or what? 8-)

Well, once somebody makes the 1st choice it's always a mad scramble to grab a team (or teams). It used to be Greek Tragedy who would open this board back up, and then we'd pick. You happened to make the first move this year. Normally the pool selection starts a little later when the teams have posted their rosters. You forced everybody's hand a little earlier, but we could have a record number of entries because you did so. 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2012, 06:09:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2012, 07:09:02 PM
I'll take Virginia Wesleyan as my undefeated, and NYU-Poly as my winless.

I check out Poly; they're playing Sarah Lawrence before Christmas.  Sarah Lawrence lost by 30 a team SUNY-Maritime beat by 50 last season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2012, 06:11:32 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 20, 2012, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2012, 10:14:31 PMFor the no wins category, I'll take a flyer on Martin Luther - they absolutely cratered last year, though I know nothing about why or about this year.

Martin Luther's problem is that you can't play either offense or defense effectively when your motto is, "Here I stand. I can do no other." ;)

I did some serious research for my winless pick.  Martin Luther looks good, but they graduated no one from last year, so I assume they can pull out a win or two.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on October 20, 2012, 06:34:46 PM
Oh, I just noticed this:

Let's try: Wooster for undefeated and Green Mountain for winless. That pillow fight to start the year with Mitchell may be the key, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 20, 2012, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on October 20, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
Didn't notice in time that this board had opened up - you guys have already taken all my top choices! ::)

Of the remaining picks for undefeated, I'd take Cabrini (who might finish 24-1), but their second game will likely be AT Va Wes!  Although it is a 'can't win', I'll be a homer and go with IWU.  (IF they can beat Harvard (possible) and IF the rumors about Hollingsworth are unfounded, MIT just might run the table 'til the postseason.)

For the no wins category, I'll take a flyer on Martin Luther - they absolutely cratered last year, though I know nothing about why or about this year.  I'm taking a long-shot that something has gone horribly wrong up there.

Wait, Mr. "I have more time on the boards than anyone else" didn't notice that the thread started back up again?

Hey, I got my picks in on opening day - its just that 6-7 people beat me to it!  (And 'opening day' came before I had done ANY checking: curse you FCGrizzliesGrad, and the horse you rode in on! :P)

I'll be rooting for F&M to go winless, and Earlham to be undefeated! 8-)  (Fat chance of either!)

(If available, I would have taken MIT (despite the Harvard game) and Principia (despite 'adding' St. Louis Pharmarcy to their schedule as their second game - how desperate do you have to be for a win to 'add' St. Louis Pharmacy to your schedule??!!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on October 20, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
(IF they can beat Harvard (possible) and IF the rumors about Hollingsworth are unfounded, MIT just might run the table 'til the postseason.)

Harvard is an exhibition, not a regular season game.

http://mitathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/schedule

MIT's roster is deeper than it has ever been.  Even if Hollingsworth starts the season on the IR, they have 7 other players 6'8" or taller who can help fill the void, including freshman Lampros Tsontzos, previously of the Greek U18 National Team.  And these guys just aren't tall,  they can all play.  They even have 6'6" - 6'7" athletic wings this year.  Prior to last year, Coach Anderson almost never played zone, but that changed last year as they would switch between man and zone on a pretty regular basis.  With this year's roster, I can realistically see them throwing a 3/4 court or half court zone at teams, with Kates (6'2") along with 6'7", 6'8",6'8", and 6'8" or 6'10". I'm looking forwad to the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2012, 12:53:50 AM
Quote from: Hugenerd on October 20, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
(IF they can beat Harvard (possible) and IF the rumors about Hollingsworth are unfounded, MIT just might run the table 'til the postseason.)

Harvard is an exhibition, not a regular season game.

http://mitathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/schedule

MIT's roster is deeper than it has ever been.  Even if Hollingsworth starts the season on the IR, they have 7 other players 6'8" or taller who can help fill the void, including freshman Lampros Tsontzos, previously of the Greek U18 National Team.  And these guys just aren't tall,  they can all play.  They even have 6'6" - 6'7" athletic wings this year.  Prior to last year, Coach Anderson almost never played zone, but that changed last year as they would switch between man and zone on a pretty regular basis.  With this year's roster, I can realistically see them throwing a 3/4 court or half court zone at teams, with Kates (6'2") along with 6'7", 6'8",6'8", and 6'8" or 6'10". I'm looking forwad to the season.

Not sure whether that matters for this contest - as long as it is after 11-15?  If it does eliminate it, I'd be even more on the MIT bandwagon for undefeated. :)

And I have ZERO confidence that my IWU homer pick will still be alive by even the final five. :P

Martin Luther for the winless?  We shall see whether there is chaos in the northwoods.  Perhaps they will adopt Greg's reference to their (should be) motto: "Here I stand.  I can do no other."  That WOULD make for problems on both offense and defense! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 21, 2012, 02:13:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2012, 12:53:50 AM
Quote from: Hugenerd on October 20, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
(IF they can beat Harvard (possible) and IF the rumors about Hollingsworth are unfounded, MIT just might run the table 'til the postseason.)

Harvard is an exhibition, not a regular season game.

http://mitathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/schedule

MIT's roster is deeper than it has ever been.  Even if Hollingsworth starts the season on the IR, they have 7 other players 6'8" or taller who can help fill the void, including freshman Lampros Tsontzos, previously of the Greek U18 National Team.  And these guys just aren't tall,  they can all play.  They even have 6'6" - 6'7" athletic wings this year.  Prior to last year, Coach Anderson almost never played zone, but that changed last year as they would switch between man and zone on a pretty regular basis.  With this year's roster, I can realistically see them throwing a 3/4 court or half court zone at teams, with Kates (6'2") along with 6'7", 6'8",6'8", and 6'8" or 6'10". I'm looking forwad to the season.

Not sure whether that matters for this contest - as long as it is after 11-15?  If it does eliminate it, I'd be even more on the MIT bandwagon for undefeated. :)

Since MIT plays Harvard on November 9th, there's no question it's an exhibition game and won't count in the Survivor Pool contest.

I think MIT has an excellent chance to win the Survivor Pool this year. In fact I predict they will and it wouldn't surprise me to see them run the table during the regular season.

I also think that since Hugenerd had been the number 1 MIT supporter and poster of all things relating to the Engineers hoop teams for a number of years (plus it's one of his alma maters) that he should be allowed to also choose MIT in the Survivor Pool even though Hoops Fan has already taken them. There have been times when 2 posters have chosen the same team in the contest and I wouldn't mind making an exception again this year. We all know Hugenerd would have taken them even if they weren't ranked as high as they are, if he had spotted the fact that the contest was under way (he's had them like, forever) . That's my thoughts, so as one of the main moderators and compliers on this board I'm going to put him down for MIT also. Hoops Fan you can always have bragging right and say you chose them first. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 21, 2012, 04:17:52 AM
To make it easier here are the Players with their choices in the order they were taken so far:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace
4.   KnightSlappy                Calvin
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT
7.   madzillagd                    Williams
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan
9.   ronk                             Amherst
10. magicman                    Middlebury
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan
12. smedindy                     Wooster
13. Hugenerd                     MIT
14. Ralph Turner                Hope
15. zander                         Birmingham-Southern






Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham
2.   hopefan                      Principia
3.   sac                             Franciscan
4.   KnightSlappy               Macalester
5.   Ethelred the Unready   SUNY-Cobleskill
6.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime
7.   madzillgd                    Caltech
8.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly
9.   ronk                            Bard
10. magicman                    Maine-Maritime
11. Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther
12. smedindy                     Green Mountain
13. zander                         Elmira 

Any additional players should get your picks in by tip off on November 15th.  Plenty of good teams (and bad ones) left to pick from. No mulligans allowed this year. You live with what you choose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 21, 2012, 04:20:02 AM
Hugenerd, I put you down for MIT in the Undefeated Pool, now make a pick for the Winless Pool if you like.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 21, 2012, 04:42:28 AM
I don't know about the undefeated list, but that sure is a primo list of winless candidates!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 21, 2012, 05:02:35 AM
Quote from: hopefan on October 21, 2012, 04:42:28 AM
I don't know about the undefeated list, but that sure is a primo list of winless candidates!!!!! ;D ;D

I'm thinking the over/under for total victories for all 12 teams combined might be around 32.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 21, 2012, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: magicman on October 21, 2012, 05:02:35 AM
Quote from: hopefan on October 21, 2012, 04:42:28 AM
I don't know about the undefeated list, but that sure is a primo list of winless candidates!!!!! ;D ;D

I'm thinking the over/under for total victories for all 12 teams combined might be around 32.

And while I haven't checked their schedules, I'd imagine wins against D3 teams would be half of that... unless one of these teams gets things turned around with a great recruiting class. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on October 21, 2012, 12:00:20 PM
  There main problem is too many returning starters. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on October 21, 2012, 02:10:22 PM
Thanks magicman, I appreciate the sentiment.  I'll be happy if MIT wins the undefeated pool whether I have them or not on this board, but I am glad to be a minority owner of the pick with Hoops Fan, if he is ok with it.

I'll obstain from the winless pool.  My freshman year at CMU we only won like 7 or 9 games, so we lost about 2/3 of them.  That sucked, so I can only imagine how bad it is for the guys on some of these other teams.  I'm hoping everyone picks up a couple of wins this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on October 21, 2012, 02:22:54 PM
Oh, most of the latter half of the year we actually are ROOTING for the winless to get their win on. We care!

It's the middling teams that muck around .500 that don't get love.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2012, 04:55:53 PM
I will take a gamble on Hope winning the early games against NCC and IWU early.

No winless pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: zander on October 21, 2012, 05:51:46 PM
undefeated- Birmingham Southern
Winless- Elmira College
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on October 22, 2012, 09:57:13 PM
This sounds fun:

Undefeated: Whitman (have to pick something noone has picked yet)
Winless: Presentation
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on October 22, 2012, 10:04:05 PM
Actually late edit:

Changing my unbeaten to: Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Leaving my winless with Presentation
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on October 23, 2012, 02:36:34 PM
I'll take Whitworth for my win-ful
and...

Maranatha for my winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 23, 2012, 03:49:06 PM
To make it easier here are the Players with their choices in the order they were taken so far:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace
4.   KnightSlappy                Calvin
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT
7.   madzillagd                    Williams
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan
9.   ronk                             Amherst
10. magicman                    Middlebury
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan
12. smedindy                     Wooster
13. Hugenerd                     MIT
14. Ralph Turner                Hope
15. zander                         Birmingham-Southern
16. 7express                      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
18. John Gleich                  Whitworth
19. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham
2.   hopefan                      Principia
3.   sac                             Franciscan
4.   KnightSlappy               Macalester
5.   Ethelred the Unready   SUNY-Cobleskill
6.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime
7.   madzillgd                    Caltech
8.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly
9.   ronk                            Bard
10. magicman                    Maine-Maritime
11. Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther
12. smedindy                     Green Mountain
13. zander                         Elmira
14. 7express                      Presentation
15. John Gleich                  Maranatha 

Any additional players should get your picks in by tip off on November 15th.  Plenty of good teams (and bad ones) left to pick from. No mulligans allowed this year. You live with what you choose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on October 24, 2012, 05:59:48 PM
I'll take Ohio Wesleyan for undefeated, just because. Haven't even seen their schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on October 24, 2012, 07:35:53 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on October 24, 2012, 05:59:48 PM
I'll take Ohio Wesleyan for undefeated, just because. Haven't even seen their schedule.

They play Wooster and some other W schools  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on October 28, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
i will take  hope
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 29, 2012, 04:27:04 AM
Quote from: hope1 on October 28, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
i will take  hope

Already taken by Ralph. You might want to pick another team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on October 29, 2012, 09:22:25 AM
Quote from: magicman on October 29, 2012, 04:27:04 AM
Quote from: hope1 on October 28, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
i will take  hope

Already taken by Ralph. You might want to pick another team.

Perhaps he means in the winless pool?   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on October 29, 2012, 10:08:31 AM
Undefeated:  Bethany (WV)  Revised former F&M selection

Winless:  Knox

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on October 29, 2012, 10:15:31 AM
I think someone's already nabbed F&M
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on October 29, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
stevens  point
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 29, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on October 29, 2012, 09:22:25 AM
Quote from: magicman on October 29, 2012, 04:27:04 AM
Quote from: hope1 on October 28, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
i will take  hope

Already taken by Ralph. You might want to pick another team.

Perhaps he means in the winless pool?   ;D

Plus K Ethelred!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 29, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
To make it easier here are the Players with their choices in the order they were taken so far:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace
4.   KnightSlappy                Calvin
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT
7.   madzillagd                    Williams
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan
9.   ronk                             Amherst
10. magicman                    Middlebury
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan
12. smedindy                     Wooster
13. Hugenerd                     MIT
14. Ralph Turner                Hope
15. zander                         Birmingham-Southern
16. 7express                      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
17. John Gleich                  Whitworth
18. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan
19. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point
20. augie77                       Bethany College (West Va.)
21. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham
2.   hopefan                      Principia
3.   sac                             Franciscan
4.   KnightSlappy               Macalester
5.   Ethelred the Unready   SUNY-Cobleskill
6.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime
7.   madzillgd                    Caltech
8.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly
9.   ronk                            Bard
10. magicman                    Maine-Maritime
11. Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther
12. smedindy                     Green Mountain
13. zander                         Elmira
14. 7express                      Presentation
15. John Gleich                  Maranatha
16. augie77                       Knox
17. Greek Tragedy             UW-Oshkosh

Any additional players should get your picks in by tip off on November 15th.  Plenty of good teams (and bad ones) left to pick from. No mulligans allowed this year. You live with what you choose.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 20, 2012, 05:59:31 PM
Well, once somebody makes the 1st choice it's always a mad scramble to grab a team (or teams). It used to be Greek Tragedy who would open this board back up, and then we'd pick. You happened to make the first move this year. Normally the pool selection starts a little later when the teams have posted their rosters. You forced everybody's hand a little earlier, but we could have a record number of entries because you did so. 8-)

I got married...to a Greek woman.  So, I'm always going to be behind schedule now...add New School, and I'll be lucky to get my pick in! LOL
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2012, 10:48:58 PM
Ummm.  I was gonna take Cabrini even though they lost Boyd and Lemons, I can get past that, but considering they will possibly play Virginia Wesleyan in the 2nd game, that didn't look too good.

I'm going to pick Albertus Magnus.  They lose Ray Askew and they play Wesleyan (Conn.) early.  Not sure if they will be any good.  But, what the heck...

I will take UW-Oshkosh for winless.  They were pretty bad last year and it sounds like they aren't going to be any better this year. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2012, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 29, 2012, 04:27:04 AM
Quote from: hope1 on October 28, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
i will take  hope

Already taken by Ralph. You might want to pick another team.
We can negotiate.

I will let you have Hope if you will post a Calvin avatar for 7 days after Hope loses.  I will post a Hope avatar for 7 days if Hope wins it all.  Is that a deal?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: northb on November 02, 2012, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2012, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 29, 2012, 04:27:04 AM
Quote from: hope1 on October 28, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
i will take  hope

Already taken by Ralph. You might want to pick another team.
We can negotiate.

I will let you have Hope if you will post a Calvin avatar for 7 days after Hope loses.  I will post a Hope avatar for 7 days if Hope wins it all.  Is that a deal?
I'll add a $5 Million donation to charity if he releases Obama's college and passport applications, too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
Question:

Perennial winless (vs. D3) contender Philly Bible changed its name to Cairn University.

If they have a player revolt after another lousy season, would it be a Cairn Mutiny??

/ducks
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on November 09, 2012, 05:21:37 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 09, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
Question:

Perennial winless (vs. D3) contender Philly Bible changed its name to Cairn University.

If they have a player revolt after another lousy season, would it be a Cairn Mutiny??

/ducks

Nice  8-) +1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2012, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 09, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
Question:

Perennial winless (vs. D3) contender Philly Bible changed its name to Cairn University.

If they have a player revolt after another lousy season, would it be a Cairn Mutiny??

/ducks

That presumes that someone would actually Cairn enough to revolt.

/gooses
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 09, 2012, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2012, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 09, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
Question:

Perennial winless (vs. D3) contender Philly Bible changed its name to Cairn University.

If they have a player revolt after another lousy season, would it be a Cairn Mutiny??

/ducks

That presumes that someone would actually Cairn enough to revolt.

/gooses

Their nickname in June was the Crimson Eagles, they now call themselves the Highlanders. I wonder if they considered the Terriers as a possibility.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 10, 2012, 02:22:04 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 09, 2012, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2012, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 09, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
Question:

Perennial winless (vs. D3) contender Philly Bible changed its name to Cairn University.

If they have a player revolt after another lousy season, would it be a Cairn Mutiny??

/ducks

That presumes that someone would actually Cairn enough to revolt.

/gooses

Their nickname in June was the Crimson Eagles, they now call themselves the Highlanders. I wonder if they considered the Terriers as a possibility.

Highlanders?   I thought they'd be the Carpenters....        'ba da bang'.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CityD3 on November 10, 2012, 03:38:27 PM
I'll take CCNY
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CityD3 on November 10, 2012, 03:38:49 PM
Quote from: CityD3 on November 10, 2012, 03:38:27 PM
I'll take CCNY
as winless of course
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2012, 08:36:06 PM
Winless, of course? CCNY is the only school to win the NCAA and NIT in the same season, but I guess those players have used up their eligibility.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2012, 09:31:54 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 10, 2012, 08:36:06 PM
Winless, of course? CCNY is the only school to win the NCAA and NIT in the same season, but I guess those players have used up their eligibility.

Or they sold it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 10, 2012, 09:48:34 PM
My supersweet D3 useless trivia of the day is that the University of Chicago has won more Big Ten Championships in all sports than Purdue and Northwestern.......still.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2012, 11:16:51 PM
We got to work this trivia into whatever conversation inspires it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 10, 2012, 11:18:55 PM
It was a factoid on the bigscreen at the stadium today, I had to share it and could think of no other completely random board than this one. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 13, 2012, 03:15:47 AM
To make it easier here are the Players with their choices in the order they were taken so far:

Undefeated Pooll


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace
4.   KnightSlappy                Calvin
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT                                        Won at Lesley 82-49
7.   madzillagd                    Williams
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan
9.   ronk                             Amherst
10. magicman                    Middlebury
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan
12. smedindy                     Wooster
13. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won at Lesley 82-49
14. Ralph Turner                Hope
15. zander                         Birmingham-Southern
16. 7express                      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
17. John Gleich                  Whitworth
18. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan
19. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                     Won at Lawrence  72-64
20. augie77                       Bethany College (West Va.)        Won vs Franciscan 94-46
21. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                     Lost at Thomas More 98-62
2.   hopefan                      Principia
3.   sac                             Franciscan                                  Lost at Bethany 94-46
4.   KnightSlappy               Macalester
5.   Ethelred the Unready   SUNY-Cobleskill
6.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime
7.   madzillgd                    Caltech
8.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly
9.   ronk                            Bard                                          Won at Albany Pharmacy  52-47 Our 2nd casualty. I warned Ronk! ;D
10. magicman                    Maine-Maritime
11. Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther
12. smedindy                     Green Mountain
13. zander                         Elmira                                         Lost vs Cortland State 63-60  looked good in defeat. They'll win on 11-27
14. 7express                      Presentation
15. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                    Lost at Chicago 81-52
16. augie77                       Knox
17. Greek Tragedy             UW-Oshkosh                                 Lost vs St. Norbert  79-49
18. CityD3                        CCNY                                            Won vs Vaughn 75-39   Our first casualty.  Ronk warned him!!

Any additional players should get your picks in by tip off on November 15th.  Plenty of good teams (and bad ones) left to pick from. No mulligans allowed this year. You live with what you choose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 13, 2012, 04:53:00 AM
Nice!  Western has a chance to knock 2 teams off this list the first 5 day of the season: we play @ Franklin & Marshall Sunday then home against Albertus next Tuesday the 20. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 13, 2012, 08:35:23 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 13, 2012, 04:53:00 AM
Nice!  Western has a chance to knock 2 teams off this list the first 5 day of the season: we play @ Franklin & Marshall Sunday then home against Albertus next Tuesday the 20.

Sounds like Western starts the year 0-2. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 13, 2012, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 13, 2012, 08:35:23 AM
Nice!  Western has a chance to knock 2 teams off this list the first 5 day of the season: we play @ Franklin & Marshall Sunday then home against Albertus next Tuesday the 20.

Sounds like Western starts the year 0-2. ;)
[/quote]

You forgot we played Penn state-Harrisburg first before F&M, so it's at least 1 win there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2012, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 13, 2012, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 13, 2012, 08:35:23 AM
Nice!  Western has a chance to knock 2 teams off this list the first 5 day of the season: we play @ Franklin & Marshall Sunday then home against Albertus next Tuesday the 20.

Sounds like Western starts the year 0-2. ;)

You forgot we played Penn state-Harrisburg first before F&M, so it's at least 1 win there.
[/quote]

PS-Hbg got some favorable press last year, so I wouldn't count this as a win, automatically.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 14, 2012, 07:20:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 10, 2012, 02:22:04 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 09, 2012, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2012, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 09, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
Question:

Perennial winless (vs. D3) contender Philly Bible changed its name to Cairn University.

If they have a player revolt after another lousy season, would it be a Cairn Mutiny??

/ducks

That presumes that someone would actually Cairn enough to revolt.

/gooses

Their nickname in June was the Crimson Eagles, they now call themselves the Highlanders. I wonder if they considered the Terriers as a possibility.

Highlanders?   I thought they'd be the Carpenters....        'ba da bang'.....

Don't know if there were any teams nicknamed the Highlanders in D3 last year but this year we have at least 2 of them.
In addition to the aboved name Cairn Highlanders, Houghton College is now a member of the Empire 8 conference, as they transition over from the NAIA. They also are called the Highlanders.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2012, 10:38:55 PM
Long-time D3 member MacMurray is also called the Highlanders.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 14, 2012, 10:51:25 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2012, 10:38:55 PM
Long-time D3 member MacMurray is also called the Highlanders.

Thanks Greg. I knew there was another team but couldn't recall who they were at the time of my post. I also figured someone would let me know. I kind of expected it to be Ralph Turner or you that would be that someone. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2012, 11:05:58 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 14, 2012, 10:51:25 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2012, 10:38:55 PM
Long-time D3 member MacMurray is also called the Highlanders.

Thanks Greg. I knew there was another team but couldn't recall who they were at the time of my post. I also figured someone would let me know. I kind of expected it to be Ralph Turner or you that would be that someone. ;D
Slow on the trigger...
Day job!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2012, 08:50:34 PM

CCNy picks up a big win tonight over Vaughn, dropping them from the winless list in their first opportunity.  You know it had to be someone.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2012, 10:31:13 PM
 The Albany Pharmicists mixed the wrong prescription in losing to Bard who was my winless choice;no more sleepless nites.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 15, 2012, 10:35:47 PM
To make it easier here are the Players with their choices in the order they were taken so far:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace
4.   KnightSlappy                Calvin
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT                                        Won at Lesley 82-49
7.   madzillagd                    Williams
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan
9.   ronk                             Amherst
10. magicman                    Middlebury
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan
12. smedindy                     Wooster
13. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won at Lesley 82-49
14. Ralph Turner                Hope
15. zander                         Birmingham-Southern
16. 7express                      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps          Lost vs San Diego Christian 89-81  Someone has to be the first to go.
17. John Gleich                  Whitworth
18. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan
19. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                     Won at Lawrence  72-64
20. augie77                       Bethany College (West Va.)        Won vs Franciscan 94-46
21. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                     Lost at Thomas More 98-62
2.   hopefan                      Principia
3.   sac                             Franciscan                                  Lost at Bethany 94-46
4.   KnightSlappy               Macalester
5.   Ethelred the Unready   SUNY-Cobleskill
6.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime
7.   madzillgd                    Caltech
8.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly
9.   ronk                            Bard                                          Won at Albany Pharmacy  52-47 Our 2nd casualty. I warned Ronk! ;D
10. magicman                    Maine-Maritime
11. Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther
12. smedindy                     Green Mountain
13. zander                         Elmira                                         Lost vs Cortland State 63-60  looked good in defeat. They'll win on 11-27
14. 7express                      Presentation
15. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                    Lost at Chicago 81-52
16. augie77                       Knox
17. Greek Tragedy             UW-Oshkosh                                 Lost vs St. Norbert  79-49
18. CityD3                        CCNY                                            Won vs Vaughn 75-39   Our first casualty.  Ronk warned him!!

Any additional players should get your picks in by tip off on November 15th.  Plenty of good teams (and bad ones) left to pick from. No mulligans allowed this year. You live with what you choose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 16, 2012, 01:07:39 AM
YESS!!!!!!!  My undefeated pick already lost  >:(  :'(  :'(  ???

San Diego Christian beats C-MS 89-81.  Oh well, I'd rather be the first out then the second to last out.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2012, 10:26:04 AM
Good job magic and the rest, of keeping me informed... sorry to see two of my challengers on the losers side fall out so quickly... tough when those make or break games are the first of the season!!! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2012, 09:29:32 PM
I almost went with an all HCAC pick after picking Earlham for winless... I thought about taking Transylvania for unbeaten but didn't have faith in a conference-mate winning every game. Now I'm glad I didn't as Transy stumbled out of the starting blocks 67-41 to Catholic
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2012, 10:13:21 PM

Feeling good tonight.  My winless pick lost by 66 tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
My undefeated pick nearly went down on opening night.  With 7 seconds to go, IWU made all three FTs to win by 1.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 16, 2012, 11:58:17 PM
My usually trusty Macalester Scots went down in victory in their seson opener versus Wisconsin Lutheran (who I meant to pick, honest  ;)). I'm off the winless board early this year.

http://d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2012-13/box_scores/20121116_t0yu.xml
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on November 17, 2012, 12:17:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
My undefeated pick nearly went down on opening night.  With 7 seconds to go, IWU made all three FTs to win by 1.

Just saw a tweet, those were the first 3 free throws of that junior's career.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2012, 02:20:08 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 16, 2012, 10:13:21 PM

Feeling good tonight.  My winless pick lost by 66 tonight.

My winless pick only lost by 36 but I feel better than you. Your team lost to a top 25 team, my team lost to Maine-Presque Isle. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2012, 05:21:15 AM
To make it easier here are the Players with their choices in the order they were taken so far:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Penn State-Harrisburg 66-37
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                           Won vs D'Youville 122-72
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace
4.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                      Won vs Grace Bible 84-53
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won vs Oneonta St. 63-55                                 
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT                                        Won at Lesley 82-49
7.   madzillagd                    Williams
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                     Won vs St. Vincent 88-63
9.   ronk                             Amherst                                  Won vs Newbury 89-74
10. magicman                    Middlebury                              Won at Ursinus 78-73
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                      Won vs Coe 52-51
12. smedindy                     Wooster                                   Won vs Carnegie Mellon 79-67
13. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won at Lesley 82-49

14. Ralph Turner                Hope                                        Won vs College of Faith 118-20 at North Central 
The College of Faith needed a lot of hope   And Hope needed a little charity

15. zander                         Birmingham-Southern                Won vs Univ. of the Ozarks 84-75
16. 7express                      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps            Lost vs San Diego Christian 89-81  Someone has to be the first to go.
17. John Gleich                  Whitworth
18. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan                         Won vs Defiance 69-55 at Marietta
19. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                     Won at Lawrence  72-64
20. augie77                       Bethany College (West Va.)        Won vs Franciscan 94-46
21. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                     Lost at Thomas More 98-62
2.   hopefan                      Principia
3.   sac                             Franciscan                                  Lost at Bethany 94-46
4.   KnightSlappy               Macalester                                  Won vs Wisconsin Lutheran 62-51
5.   Ethelred the Unready   SUNY-Cobleskill                          Won at New England College 103-94
6.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                            Lost at Wesleyan 104-38
7.   madzillgd                    Caltech
8.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly                                    Lost at Vassar 69-51
9.   ronk                            Bard                                         Won at Albany Pharmacy  52-47 Our 2nd casualty. I warned Ronk!
10. magicman                    Maine-Maritime                          Lost  at Maine-Presque Isle  74-38
11. Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                              Lost at Viterbo (non D3)  65-53
12. smedindy                     Green Mountain                          Lost at Mitchell 105-99
13. zander                         Elmira                                         Lost vs Cortland State 63-60  looked good in defeat. They'll win on 11-27
14. 7express                      Presentation
15. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                    Lost at Chicago 81-52
16. augie77                       Knox                                            Lost vs MacMurry 97-67
17. Greek Tragedy             UW-Oshkosh                                 Lost vs St. Norbert  79-49
18. CityD3                        CCNY                                            Won vs Vaughn 75-39   Our first casualty.  Ronk warned him!!

No mulligans allowed this year. You live with what you choose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 17, 2012, 06:57:49 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 17, 2012, 05:21:15 AM
To make it easier here are the Players with their choices in the order they were taken so far:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Penn State-Harrisburg 66-37
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                           Won vs D'Youville 122-72
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won vs Oneonta St. 63-55                                 
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT                                        Won at Lesley 82-49
7.   madzillagd                    Williams
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                     Won vs St. Vincent 88-63
9.   ronk                             Amherst                                  Won vs Newbury 89-74
10. magicman                    Middlebury                              Won at Ursinus 78-73
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                      Won vs Coe 52-51
12. smedindy                     Wooster                                   Won vs Carnegie Mellon 79-67
13. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won at Lesley 82-49

14. Ralph Turner                Hope                                        Won vs College of Faith 118-20 at North Central 
The College of Faith needed a lot of hope   And Hope needed a little charity

15. zander                         Birmingham-Southern                Won vs Univ. of the Ozarks 84-75
16. 7express                      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps            Lost vs San Diego Christian 89-81  Someone has to be the first to go.
17. John Gleich                  Whitworth
18. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan                         Won vs Defiance 69-55 at Marietta
19. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                     Won at Lawrence  72-64
20. augie77                       Bethany College (West Va.)        Won vs Franciscan 94-46
21. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                     Lost at Thomas More 98-62
2.   hopefan                      Principia
3.   sac                             Franciscan                                  Lost at Bethany 94-46
4.   KnightSlappy               Macalester                                  Won vs Wisconsin Lutheran 62-51
5.   Ethelred the Unready   SUNY-Cobleskill                          Won at New England College 103-94 [/b]
6.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                            Lost at Wesleyan 104-38
7.   madzillgd                    Caltech
8.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly                                    Lost at Vassar 69-51
9.   ronk                            Bard                                         Won at Albany Pharmacy  52-47 Our 2nd casualty. I warned Ronk!
10. magicman                    Maine-Maritime                          Lost  at Maine-Presque Isle  74-38
11. Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                              Lost at Viterbo (non D3)  65-53
12. smedindy                     Green Mountain                          Lost at Mitchell 105-99
13. zander                         Elmira                                         Lost vs Cortland State 63-60  looked good in defeat. They'll win on 11-27
14. 7express                      Presentation
15. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                    Lost at Chicago 81-52
16. augie77                       Knox                                            Lost vs MacMurry 97-67
17. Greek Tragedy             UW-Oshkosh                                 Lost vs St. Norbert  79-49
18. CityD3                        CCNY                                            Won vs Vaughn 75-39   Our first casualty.  Ronk warned him!!

No mulligans allowed this year. You live with what you choose.

Well...that was shorter than expected.  Congratulations SUNY Cobleskill.  Ya dirty bastiches....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 17, 2012, 07:46:18 AM
4. KnightSlappy    Calvin     Won vs Grace Bible
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2012, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 17, 2012, 07:46:18 AM
4. KnighySlappy    Calvin     Won vs Grace Bible

Somehow you just disappeared. You were there in all the previous incarnations. One of those guys with magic powers is pulling a fast one I think. Well you're back! At least for now. ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2012, 09:33:16 AM
Ethelred,

Isn't that 2 years in a row a win for your winless in their very first game. ??? I think it was Cazenovia last year. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
Good work, Magicman.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 17, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 17, 2012, 09:33:16 AM
Ethelred,

Isn't that 2 years in a row a win for your winless in their very first game. ??? I think it was Cazenovia last year. ;)

I must be a good luck charm.  Who knew....?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 17, 2012, 06:28:19 PM
Wow. The College of Faith. Nickname the Mighty Believers (well, that's original at least!)

In their last football game against Southern Nazarene, they lost one yard, net. They may have a rather new program in athletics.

Though it looks like they are doing something for the greater good. Some quotes after their first game in football were about giving second chances to students that would not pass muster in the NCAA.

That IIT / College of Faith game may be a good one. North Central beat IIT 73-20.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 17, 2012, 06:32:29 PM
Illinois Tech won 74-59, and produced a completely normal stat sheet.....
http://www2.northcentralcardinals.com/documents/2012/11/17/cofiit.htm?id=1881
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2012, 06:37:27 PM
IIT revived its basketball program this year after a three-year absence. The new coach had no chance to recruit, so he held open tryouts to fill out his roster. This win over Faith may be the only game the Red Hawks win all season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 06:38:37 PM
Gordon is keeping pace with MIT at the half.  MIT doesn't appear able to play any worse in the second half, so I'm not too worried, but there's a little twinge in the back of my throat thinking about my pick for undefeated being taken down by my alma mater's arch-rival.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 17, 2012, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2012, 06:37:27 PM
IIT revived its basketball program this year after a three-year absence. The new coach had no chance to recruit, so he held open tryouts to fill out his roster. This win over Faith may be the only game the Red Hawks win all season.

Indiana Dabney may be another chance or two.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2012, 07:19:32 PM
After looking at IIT's sked, the Red Hawks actually have a bunch of chances at wins. They play Indiana Dabney twice, and the Colemans are pretty horrid; they, too, are a freshly-minted program, having only started play last season. They lost by 20 last weekend to another upcoming IIT foe, Moody Bible. IIT also faces Johnson & Wales (CO), the Mountain Time Zone branch of the famous multi-campus cooking and hospitality school, which has started off the season 0-6. I can't figure out which basketball-playing campus of DeVry the Red Hawks will face; the schedule says it's the Chicago campus, but the Chicago campus doesn't have an athletics page, while the Miami and Houston campuses do. Then there's Columbia College, the large (11,000 students) arts college in Chicago that, to the best of my knowledge, has never had intercollegiate athletics before. If you look at their website, it indicates that they still don't; all of their sports listings are intramural.

There's a whole netherworld of sub-D3 college basketball out there that is incredibly hard to track down on the web. And, right now, IIT is a part of it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 07:22:46 PM
Live stats froze with 9:18 to play and MIT up one at Gordon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 07:49:02 PM

MIT survives 64-53.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2012, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
Good work, Magicman.

Thanks Tom,

Unfortunately I have to reply with bad news as UW-Oshkosh is beatin Edgewood 64-53 in OT with 34 seconds to go. Has won 64-54 and falls off the winless list. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2012, 08:22:47 PM
It happens.  >:(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2012, 08:25:36 PM
I'm not a computer genius and I don't play one on TV.  Most of the time I'm having problems getting the dropdown links to open up on the front page when I go to the "scores" link and want to see "men's scores".  The other links like News, Teams, Columns usually don't work either.  It just worked now for me.  Is there a setting on my computer I need to change?  Is anyone else having problems with this or am I just a computer idiot?  Thanks.  I really annoys me because I like using those quick links on the front page.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2012, 08:56:28 PM
 I'm not having any problems with the drop-down menus; I frequently use both scores and teams today and yesterday; don't know what could be causing your problem.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2012, 09:02:42 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2012, 08:25:36 PM
I'm not a computer genius and I don't play one on TV.  Most of the time I'm having problems getting the dropdown links to open up on the front page when I go to the "scores" link and want to see "men's scores".  The other links like News, Teams, Columns usually don't work either.  It just worked now for me.  Is there a setting on my computer I need to change?  Is anyone else having problems with this or am I just a computer idiot?  Thanks.  I really annoys me because I like using those quick links on the front page.

It could be your browser.  You should be using something other than Netscape at this point.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2012, 09:34:58 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 17, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 17, 2012, 09:33:16 AM
Ethelred,

Isn't that 2 years in a row a win for your winless in their very first game. ??? I think it was Cazenovia last year. ;)

I must be a good luck charm.  Who knew....?

plus k
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2012, 12:28:26 AM
Another one bites the dust... Wooster falls to a buzzer beater by Adrian 57-56 and are stricken from the unbeaten list
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 01:05:46 AM
And Hope also lost.  And by all accounts, UWSP was damn lucky they didn't join them (they were saved by their free throw defense!).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 18, 2012, 04:03:51 AM
Today's Losers that needed to be winners.

augie77               Bethany College (West Va)          lost to Baldwin-Wallace 80-75

Ralph Turner        Hope                                         lost at North Central  60-49

smedindy             Wooster                                    lost vs Adrian 57-56

John Gleich           Whitworth                                lost vs St. Thomas 70-65


Today's Winners that needed to be losers

Greek Tragedy      UW-Oshkosh                             Won vs Edgewood 64-54

smedindy             Green Mountain                         Won at Mt. Ida  105-101       
smeds may be the 1st person in survival pool history  that lost both his Undefeated and Winless picks on the same day. :o

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 18, 2012, 04:05:03 AM
To make it easier here are the Players with their choices in the order they were taken so far:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Penn State-Harrisburg 66-37
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                           Won vs D'Youville 122-72  Won vs Morrisville St. 83-59
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace                        Won vs Bethany (WVa) 80-75
4.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                      Won vs Grace Bible 84-53  Won vs North Park 83-54
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won vs Oneonta St. 63-55 Won vs Baruch 81-69                                 
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT                                        Won at Lesley 82-49  Won at Gordon 64-53
7.   madzillagd                    Williams                                  Won vs Southern Vermont 81-51   Won vs Salem St. 91-61
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                     Won vs St. Vincent 88-63  Won vs Cabrini 96-59
9.   ronk                             Amherst                                  Won vs Newbury 89-74  Won vs Curry 117-96
10. magicman                    Middlebury                              Won at Ursinus 78-73 Won at Lebanon Valley 72-63
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                      Won vs Coe 52-51  Won vs Loras 75-53
12. smedindy                     Wooster                                   Won vs Carnegie Mellon 79-67    Lost vs Adrian 57-56
13. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won at Lesley 82-49   Won at Gordon 64-53 
14. Ralph Turner                Hope                                        Won vs College of Faith 118-20 at North Central  Lost at North Central 60-49
The College of Faith needed a lot of hope   And Hope needed a little charity

15. zander                         Birmingham-Southern                Won vs Univ. of the Ozarks 84-75  Won vs Huntingdon 90-80
16. 7express                      Claremont-Mudd-Scripps            Lost vs San Diego Christian 89-81  Someone has to be the first to go.
17. John Gleich                   Whitworth                                Lost vs St. Thomas 70-65
18. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan                         Won vs Defiance 69-55 at Marietta  Won at Marietta 76-55
19. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                     Won at Lawrence  72-64    Won at St Olaf 82-81
20. augie77                       Bethany College  West Va.)        Won vs Franciscan 94-46   Lost at Baldwin-Wallace 80-75
21. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                     Lost at Thomas More 98-62   lost vs Dennison 78-49
2.   hopefan                      Principia                                     Lost vs Cornell 76-65
3.   sac                             Franciscan                                  Lost at Bethany 94-46   lost vs Mass-Boston 87-71
4.   KnightSlappy               Macalester                                  Won vs Wisconsin Lutheran 62-51
5.   Ethelred the Unready   SUNY-Cobleskill                          Won at New England College 103-94
6.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                            Lost at Wesleyan 104-38
7.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                       Lost at Milwaukee Engineering 81-50
8.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly                                    Lost at Vassar 69-51   Lost vs Cazenovia 52-51 (At Vassar)
9.   ronk                            Bard                                         Won at Albany Pharmacy  52-47 Our 2nd casualty. I warned Ronk!
10. magicman                    Maine-Maritime                           Lost  at Maine-Presque Isle  74-38 lost vs So. Maine 70-47 (at Presq. Isle)
11. Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                              Lost at Viterbo (non D3)  65-53  lost vs Waldorf (non D3) 92-79
12. smedindy                                   Green Mountain             Lost at Mitchell 105-99  Won at Mount Ida 105-101
13. zander                         Elmira                                            Lost vs Cortland State 63-60  looked good in defeat. They'll win on 11-27
14. 7express                      Presentation
15. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                    Lost at Chicago 81-52     lost at Kuyper (non D3) 79-72
16. augie77                       Knox                                            Lost vs MacMurry 97-67
17. Greek Tragedy             UW-Oshkosh                                 Lost vs St. Norbert  79-49  Won vs Edgewood 64-54
18. CityD3                        CCNY                                            Won vs Vaughn 75-39   Our first casualty.  Ronk warned him!!

No mulligans allowed this year. You live with what you choose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 18, 2012, 04:26:07 AM
Updated  Players list  with teams still in contention:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall             
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                       
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace                   
4.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                   
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                                               
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT                                       
7.   madzillagd                    Williams                               
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                 
9.   ronk                             Amherst                                 
10. magicman                    Middlebury                           
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                       
12. Hugenerd                     MIT                                       
13. zander                         Birmingham-Southern             
14. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan                     
15. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                   
16. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                   
2.   hopefan                      Principia                               
3.   sac                             Franciscan                                 
4.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         
5.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                     
6.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly                                   
7.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                           
8.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                         
9.   zander                         Elmira                                           
10. 7express                      Presentation
11. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                   
12. augie77                       Knox                                         
                                 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
Huge game for my defending winless champs, Principia, on Tuesday, when they host St Louis Pharmacy... it's a little disturbing to me that they only lost their opener to Cornell by 12...Tuesday's game looms huge in my drive to repeat...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 18, 2012, 01:48:14 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 18, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
Huge game for my defending winless champs, Principia, on Tuesday, when they host St Louis Pharmacy... it's a little disturbing to me that they only lost their opener to Cornell by 12...Tuesday's game looms huge in my drive to repeat...

I predict that on Wednesday you will no longer be defending your title.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 18, 2012, 02:09:47 PM
Oshkosh beat Edgewood in OT 63-54 so Tom's done in the winless column.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 18, 2012, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2012, 06:32:29 PM
Illinois Tech won 74-59, and produced a completely normal stat sheet.....
http://www2.northcentralcardinals.com/documents/2012/11/17/cofiit.htm?id=1881

I'm not so sure that was completely normal... The teams combined to shoot 6/41 from 3 and 21/49 from the free throw line.

In a stunning turn of events, COF managed to assist on 8 field goals yesterday too!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 18, 2012, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 18, 2012, 02:09:47 PM
Oshkosh beat Edgewood in OT 63-54 so Tom's done in the winless column.

I knew that per this post yesterday to Tom:

Quote from: magicman on November 17, 2012, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
Good work, Magicman.

Thanks Tom,

Unfortunately I have to reply with bad news as UW-Oshkosh is beatin Edgewood 64-53 in OT with 34 seconds to go. Has won 64-54 and falls off the winless list. Sorry.

Just never carried it through to my new list. Thanks John I will update it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2012, 04:46:26 PM
Nothing like knocking me down and then kicking me while I'm on the ground.  Two shots!  Ouch.  LOL  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 18, 2012, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 18, 2012, 04:03:51 AM

smeds may be the 1st person in survival pool history  that lost both his Undefeated and Winless picks on the same day. :o

I gots talent. And it looks like Green Mountain may win by scoring a badillion points (technical measurement) each game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2012, 07:24:32 PM
so much for my winless pick... the Quakers of Earlham take down Oberlin 76-55
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 18, 2012, 07:34:09 PM
The Oberlin / Franciscan game on the 24th is the pillowfight of the young season thus far.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2012, 08:05:22 PM
Can I switch my winless team to Randolph-Macon?  ;)  They beat my pick, UW-Oshkosh!  :-[ :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 08:20:19 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 18, 2012, 07:34:09 PM
The Oberlin / Franciscan game on the 24th is the pillowfight of the young season thus far.

I nearly put that one on the Pickems schedule, but settled on Macalester @ Caltech instead!  So many pillowfights, so little time! ;D

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2012, 08:05:22 PM
Can I switch my winless team to Randolph-Macon?  ;)  They beat my pick, UW-Oshkosh!  :-[ :'(

Thanks to Randy Mac, I'm starting the  Pickems season in a hole - HALF my six losses were picking them to win! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2012, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 08:20:19 PM
Thanks to Randy Mac, I'm starting the  Pickems season in a hole - HALF my six losses were picking them to win! :P
I'm the exact the opposite... half of my six wins were picking them to lose
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 10:45:00 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2012, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 08:20:19 PM
Thanks to Randy Mac, I'm starting the  Pickems season in a hole - HALF my six losses were picking them to win! :P
I'm the exact the opposite... half of my six wins were picking them to lose

Which explains why you are ahead of me!  Danged Randy Mac! >:(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 18, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 18, 2012, 07:34:09 PM
The Oberlin / Franciscan game on the 24th is the pillowfight of the young season thus far.

If this one doesn't trip me up it could be the Baron's Dec. 17 tilt with Ohio University-Eastern......or the entire AMCC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 19, 2012, 12:50:57 AM
Is my winless pick Presentation bad enough to lose to bye to drop me off that list as well??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2012, 01:28:54 AM
Updated  Players list  with teams still in contention:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Western Connecticut  79-51           
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                       
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace                   
4.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                   
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                                               
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT                                       
7.   madzillagd                    Williams                               
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                 
9.   ronk                             Amherst                                 
10. magicman                    Middlebury                           
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                       
12. Hugenerd                     MIT                                       
13. zander                         Birmingham-Southern             
14. David Collinge              Ohio Wesleyan                     
15. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                   
16. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                   Won vs Oberlin 76-55                                   
2.   hopefan                      Principia                               
3.   sac                             Franciscan                                Lost at Gallaudet 85-72                                 
4.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         
5.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs RPI at Milwaukee Engineering 106-97                                   
6.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly                                 Won vs Sarah Lawrence (USCAA?) 84-43 on Nov. 19th                                   
7.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                           
8.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                         
9.   zander                         Elmira                                           
10. 7express                      Presentation
11. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                   
12. augie77                       Knox                                         
                                 

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2012, 11:59:33 AM
I really can't tell how good or wretched the teams Presentation plays this year are, truly. They have just four games against D-3 games, including a sizzling one at the end of the year against Finlandia. Many of their opponents could be in the 'nether world'  in the USCAA or NCCAA.



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2012, 07:32:37 AM
Mr. Sager takes a seat as NYU-Poly crushes Sarah Lawrence 84-43 to fall off the Winless list on Monday night. I updated the list  above this post. I'm not sure if Sarah Lawrence is D3 or not. They show up in blue type on the D3 scoreboard as all D3 teams do instead of the black type that denotes a non D3 team and you can click on their name but the link states "that page could not be found". When I found their website and located the men's basketball home page, they display the NCAA D3 logo. They are a member of the Hudson Valley Men's Athletic Conference which is affiliated with the USCAA. I don't think any of the other schools are D3 but maybe Sarah Lawrence is in transition over to D3.

Pat, Greg or Ralph will know I'm sure.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2012, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2012, 07:32:37 AM
Mr. Sager takes a seat as NYU-Poly crushes Sarah Lawrence 84-43 to fall off the Winless list on Monday night. I updated the list  above this post. I'm not sure if Sarah Lawrence is D3 or not. They show up in blue type on the D3 scoreboard as all D3 teams do instead of the black type that denotes a non D3 team and you can click on their name but the link states "that page could not be found". When I found their website and located the men's basketball home page, they display the NCAA D3 logo. They are a member of the Hudson Valley Men's Athletic Conference which is affiliated with the USCAA. I don't think any of the other schools are D3 but maybe Sarah Lawrence is in transition over to D3.

Pat, Greg or Ralph will know I'm sure.

I believe Sarah Lawrence is in their first year of transition, but this was the game that kept me from picking Poly this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2012, 11:24:40 AM
The Gryphons is a neat nickname, though!

Last year Sarah Lawrence beat Webb Institute twice and won over Mt. St. Vincent via forfeit (or so says the Sarah Lawrence site).

The box scores for them could be pretty fugggly this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on November 20, 2012, 11:51:57 AM
Sarah Lawrence is in its first year of provisional membership.

http://bronxville.patch.com/articles/sarah-lawrence-approved-by-ncaa-to-division-3

We don't create team pages for all teams in their first year since some never make it any farther.  Lincoln (Sister) Christian and Palm Beach Atlantic are recent examples.

Addendum:  Valley Forge Christian College, which frequently appears on D3 team schedules, is also in its first year of provisional membership. Go Patriots.

http://www.timesherald.com/article/20120816/SPORTS02/120819633/college-athletics-valley-forge-christian-college-advances-to-ncaa-div-iii-provisional-membership
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2012, 03:14:43 PM
Thanks Hoops Fan and Gordon. I thought that's what it probably was when I saw the NCAA D3 logo on their website, but now we have the definitive answer.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
A question on our rules.  Isn't it true that if a 'winless' pick wins by FORTY-ONE POINTS, the picker's pick for next year is also declared out?! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 20, 2012, 06:00:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
A question on our rules.  Isn't it true that if a 'winless' pick wins by FORTY-ONE POINTS, the picker's pick for next year is also declared out?! ;D

Sounds reasonable....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 20, 2012, 06:21:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
A question on our rules.  Isn't it true that if a 'winless' pick wins by FORTY-ONE POINTS, the picker's pick for next year is also declared out?! ;D

I'm not sure about that. These are the types of players I want to be picking against.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2012, 06:53:52 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 20, 2012, 06:21:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
A question on our rules.  Isn't it true that if a 'winless' pick wins by FORTY-ONE POINTS, the picker's pick for next year is also declared out?! ;D

I'm not sure about that. These are the types of players I want to be picking against.

You DO have a good point there!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
How can you tell about Sarah Lawrence, really? Off-the-radar teams can be dreams, or duds...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 20, 2012, 07:53:50 PM
Western Connecticut with a 38-37 halftime lead over Albertus Magnus.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on November 20, 2012, 10:10:40 PM
Williams with the win over #23 Wesleyan tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 20, 2012, 11:23:48 PM
Calvin moves to 3-0 with a 98-56 win over Anderson.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 21, 2012, 01:36:20 AM
Wooster beat Baldwin-Wallace, I'm out of the undefeated's
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2012, 05:21:02 AM
Updated  Players list  with teams still in contention:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Washington College 71-57           
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                       
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace                     Lost vs Wooster 81-74                   
4.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                     Won vs Anderson 98-56                                   
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won at Misericordia 60-57                                                               
6.   Hoops Fan                    MIT                                       Won vs Emmanuel 86-53                                                                               
7.   madzillagd                    Williams                                   Won at Wesleyan 56-48                               
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                 
9.   ronk                             Amherst                                 Won vs Western New England 104-61                                 
10. magicman                    Middlebury                                Won at Green Mountain  117-81                         
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                       Won vs Illinois College 74-65                       
12. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won vs Emmanuel 86-53                                     
13. zander                         Birmingham-Southern                  Lost at LaGrange 90-68
14. David Collindge             Ohio Wesleyan                            Won at Marietta 76-55           
15. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs St. John's 82-52                   
16. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus                           Won at Western Connecticut 85-79





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                   Won vs Oberlin 76-55                                   
2.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at St. Louis Pharmacy (nonD3) 71-68                               
3.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost at Gallaudet 85-72                                 
4.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at CCNY 65-36                                                 
5.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs La Sierra 58-44                                   
6.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly                                 Won vs Sarah Lawrence (USCAA?) 84-43 on Nov. 19th                                   
7.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                           
8.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                         
9.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost vs Hamilton 62-60                                           
10. 7express                      Presentation                             Lost at Dakota State University 77-58
11. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                   
12. augie77                       Knox                                         
                               
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2012, 05:53:56 AM
woo.. defending losers champ Principia dodges another bullet, pulling out a 3 point loss vs St Louis Pharmacy... I think I'm in trouble when they play the rematch later in the season.... the surprising thing is, they have come close in both games this year without their best returning player, Kenny Sydness, whom I will assume is out with an injury.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 21, 2012, 06:27:47 AM
hopefan worried about a lot of nothing as Principia goes down to defeat at the hands of St. Louis Pharmacy 71-68.

Two more players made their exit as sac's Baldwin Wallace lost to Wooster 81-74 and zander's Birmingham-Southern got pasted by LaGrange 90-68.

14 players left alive in the Undefeated Pool

We're down to the Top Ten in the Winless Pool. I know it's early but I think the Winless Pool may come down to a Maritime battle between Hoops Fan's from NY and mine from Maine.

Mr.Ypsi has put me in a quandary. His slate this week in the National Pick Em League includes a game between my hometown Plattsburgh State Cardinals and my Undefeated Pool pick, Middlebury. In one sense I can't lose. If Middlebury wins I stay alive in the Undefeated Pool, and if Plattsburgh wins we get a nice win on our ledger over a ranked team and stay undefeated ourselves. But the other side of the coin is if I pick Plattsburgh in the Pick Em league and Middlebury wins, I lose ground to the other players and of course no feather in our cap for a nice win. And if I pick Middlebury in the Pick Em league that would mean I have to root against my Cardinals so I don't lose ground in both contests. I guess I'm going to do the old reverse logic thing as KnightSlappy usually does when Calvin plays Hope. He chooses Hope and hopes Calvin wins. So I'll pick Middlebury and root for my Cards to beat them. I would willingly be glad that I can't win the Undefeated Pool since the prize of a victory over a Top Ten team is a bigger prize than the bragging rights I would win, if Middlebury should once again capture the Undefeated Pool and give me back to back crowns. And sacrificing 1 game to the other players in the Pick Em League is small potatoes because I'll get them back when I make out the schedule in upcoming weeks, which I get to do twice. ;D I did win the Scheduler of the Year Award last year when the entire league couldn't pick their nose the week I made out the schedule. ( Only problem was I couldn't pick very many winners either.) I think my Cards have a chance against the Panthers this year. We hung with them at their place last year for quite a while before they finally pulled away. This year it's our house and I know we're a better team than last year. I'm not sure that the Panthers are a better team than last year, but they are still pretty darn good. I just hope for a good game and curse Mr. Ypsi for this quandary he's laid on me.     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on November 21, 2012, 11:15:58 PM
Caltech falls to La Sierra 58-44.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 22, 2012, 11:09:45 AM
La Sierra was 13-17 last year, though they were winless before they played Cal Tech. Cal Tech may not be horrible, again, just bad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dahlby on November 22, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
Personally, I would never use the terms  horrible or bad when describing the Caltech team. I would just say that they are not as athletically talented as a team as they are in the classroom. They might challenge you to a game on the moon or Mars,
if YOU can make it there.

Happy Thanksgiving to all, even OxyBob !!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 22, 2012, 01:54:57 PM
Oh, I support CalTech 1000%, so I don't use 'wretched', 'egregious' or the like. In pure basketball terms, they're...not good. But I admire them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 22, 2012, 03:15:20 PM
Caltech will likely take a step back now that their rampant cheating has been addressed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 22, 2012, 03:31:30 PM
Caltech also lost one of their best players, Todd Cramer, who transferred to MIT. He hasn't seen much PT for the Engineers yet this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2012, 04:10:02 PM
Academically, is that a transfer down, or a transfer up?? ;D ;D ;D :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2012, 05:23:52 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 22, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
Personally, I would never use the terms  horrible or bad when describing the Caltech team. I would just say that they are not as athletically talented as a team as they are in the classroom. They might challenge you to a game on the moon or Mars,
if YOU can make it there.

Happy Thanksgiving to all, even OxyBob !!!!
+1!  And Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Meanwhile, I wonder if any of the CalTech Hoopsters have the inside skinny on what Curiosity (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/11/curiosity-historic-news-organics/) has found on Mars, that NASA is waiting until December to reveal.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2012, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2012, 04:10:02 PM
Academically, is that a transfer down, or a transfer up?? ;D ;D ;D :o :o
It is definitely a change in scenery!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 22, 2012, 08:52:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2012, 05:23:52 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 22, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
Personally, I would never use the terms  horrible or bad when describing the Caltech team. I would just say that they are not as athletically talented as a team as they are in the classroom. They might challenge you to a game on the moon or Mars,
if YOU can make it there.

Happy Thanksgiving to all, even OxyBob !!!!
+1!  And Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Meanwhile, I wonder if any of the CalTech Hoopsters have the inside skinny on what Curiosity (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/11/curiosity-historic-news-organics/) has found on Mars, that NASA is waiting until December to reveal.

Something North Pole related perhaps?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 23, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2012, 04:10:02 PM
Academically, is that a transfer down, or a transfer up?? ;D ;D ;D :o :o

It might be a nefarious plot to infiltrate the opposition for the next great Cal Tech/MIT prank.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 24, 2012, 05:27:17 AM
Kind of confusing with the Presentation-Central Christian (Mo.) score Friday night. D3hoops scoreboard shows Presentation winning 96-49 but when you bring up the box score it shows Central Christian winning 96-49. The mystery is solved by going to the Presentation website where the announcement is made that Presentation, does indeed, win their first game of the season by that 96-49 score. I think 7express was trying to pull a fast one to stay alive in the winless pool. ;D So another player takes a seat. The box score has the team name posted over the wrong lineup and the line score also has the teams inverted. The play by play is also mixed up. Here's the link to the article:

http://www.pcsaints.com/news/2012/11/23/MBB_1123120009.aspx

In other Friday night action:

Calvin beat visiting Aquinas 58-55




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 24, 2012, 05:28:52 AM
Updated  Players list  with teams still in contention:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Washington College 71-57           
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                       
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace                     Lost vs Wooster 81-74                   
4.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                     Won vs Cornerstone (nonD3) at Hope 70-65 on 11-24                                   
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won at Misericordia 60-57
6.   Hoops Fan                   MIT                                        Won vs Curry 71-63 11-24
7.   madzillagd                    Williams                                   Won at Wesleyan 56-48                               
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                 
9.   ronk                             Amherst                                 Won vs Western New England 104-61                                 
10. magicman                    Middlebury                                Won at Green Mountain  117-81                         
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                       Won at Wabash 62-56 on 11-24                       
12. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won vs Curry 71-63 on 11-24                                     
13. zander                         Birmingham-Southern                  Lost at LaGrange 90-68
14. David Collindge              Ohio Wesleyan                           Won vs Ottenbein 66-59 on 11-24               
15. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at Buena Vista 80-68 on 11-24                   
16. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus                           Won at Western Connecticut 85-79





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                   Won vs Oberlin 76-55                                   
2.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at St. Louis Pharmacy (nonD3) 71-68                               
3.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost vs Oberlin 69-57 on 11-24                                 
4.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at CCNY 65-36                                                 
5.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Macalester 73-61 on 11-24                                   
6.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly                                 Won vs Sarah Lawrence (USCAA?) 84-43 on Nov. 19th                                   
7.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                           
8.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                         
9.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost vs Hamilton 62-60                                           
10. 7express                      Presentation                             Won at Central Christian (Mo.) (non D3) 96-49
11. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                   
12. augie77                       Knox                                         
                             
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2012, 08:01:43 AM
Presentation win by 47 over Central Christian?... had to check the box score...  wait, it identifies Central Christian as winning, both in the line score and in the individuals.... Houston (Plattsburg), do we have a problem?   Thankfully, no... a check of the Presentation roster shows that indeed, their players were the ones who scored 96 and won, 96-49.... both the line score and the individual scorers have teams misidentified in the box score... at least as of 7:45 AM EST....

so who is this Central Christian... could we find these guys on a future Grinnell schedule in a quest for 250 points, or an individual 175?

We are talking Central Christian College of the Bible in Moberly, Mo, not to be confused with Central Christian College of Kansas located in McPherson, Ks.  They have 360 full time students, 201 are men.  They are members of the Midwest Christian College Conf, NCCAA D2... they are 1-6... their only win against Calvary Bible College...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 24, 2012, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2012, 08:01:43 AM
Presentation win by 47 over Central Christian?... had to check the box score...  wait, it identifies Central Christian as winning, both in the line score and in the individuals.... Houston (Plattsburg), do we have a problem?   Thankfully, no... a check of the Presentation roster shows that indeed, their players were the ones who scored 96 and won, 96-49.... both the line score and the individual scorers have teams misidentified in the box score... at least as of 7:45 AM EST....

so who is this Central Christian... could we find these guys on a future Grinnell schedule in a quest for 250 points, or an individual 175?

We are talking Central Christian College of the Bible in Moberly, Mo, not to be confused with Central Christian College of Kansas located in McPherson, Ks.  They have 360 full time students, 201 are men.  They are members of the Midwest Christian College Conf, NCCAA D2... they are 1-6... their only win against Calvary Bible College...

They'd have to go 259 because Troy State got 258 against Devry back in the '80's.  Only gave up 141...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 24, 2012, 12:32:42 PM
It seems to be fixed now:

http://www.pcsaints.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=1009

But the scary game for Presentation is the 12/13 matchup against...

North Dakota. Yes, members of the Big Sky conference North Dakota.

Ulp.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 24, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2012, 08:01:43 AM
Presentation win by 47 over Central Christian?... had to check the box score...  wait, it identifies Central Christian as winning, both in the line score and in the individuals.... Houston (Plattsburg), do we have a problem?   Thankfully, no... a check of the Presentation roster shows that indeed, their players were the ones who scored 96 and won, 96-49.... both the line score and the individual scorers have teams misidentified in the box score... at least as of 7:45 AM EST....

so who is this Central Christian... could we find these guys on a future Grinnell schedule in a quest for 250 points, or an individual 175?

We are talking Central Christian College of the Bible in Moberly, Mo, not to be confused with Central Christian College of Kansas located in McPherson, Ks.  They have 360 full time students, 201 are men.  They are members of the Midwest Christian College Conf, NCCAA D2... they are 1-6... their only win against Calvary Bible College...

hopefan
Go ahead ignore my post. ??? Look up above. I even gave you the link to Presentation's write-up on their website to save you time. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 24, 2012, 05:25:17 PM
Pool games today so far:

Illinois Wesleyan wins at Wabash 62-56

MIT defeats visiting Curry 71-63



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2012, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 24, 2012, 05:25:17 PM
Pool games today so far:

Illinois Wesleyan wins at Wabash 62-56

MIT defeats visiting Curry 71-63

Yeah, my Titans have kept me alive so far, but I've got a bad feeling about hosting the defending national champs on Tuesday! :P  (I'd have taken MIT if they were still available when I picked just hours after the contest kicked off! ::))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 24, 2012, 05:31:12 PM
Wow, just tried to peek in at the Oberlin / Francsican game to write something for the NCAC board and the video feed at Franciscan costs $6!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 24, 2012, 06:46:04 PM
Sac can breathe easier...Oberlin wins 69-57. Franciscan dressed nine and had five foul out. Andrew Fox grabbed 20 defensive rebounds for Oberlin. Yikes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 24, 2012, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 24, 2012, 06:46:04 PM
Sac can breathe easier...Oberlin wins 69-57. Franciscan dressed nine and had five foul out. Andrew Fox grabbed 20 defensive rebounds for Oberlin. Yikes.

I have complete faith in the Barons.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2012, 02:52:32 PM
Tracking our losers is kind of fun... what do we have to look forward to?

Principia.. Prin has a schedule that indicates they don't want to retain their losers championship of last year... upcoming games include Rockford (0-4), Blackburn (0-4), Fontbonne (0-4).. if they can't get a win there, there is a big rematch with St Louis Pharma on Jan 22.. Pharma beat Prin by only 3 last week.... add to this that leading returning scorer Kenny Sydness hasn't played yet.. assuming he is out just temporary, the old hopefan is not feeling too comfortable about repeating last year's championship

Franciscan  (Sac)   Franciscan jumped a big hurdle by losing to Oberlin yesterday.. Oberlin's first win.. Franciscan's games to watch in the near future would appear to be D'youville (0-4) on Dec 8 losing by about 40 points per game and OUE on Dec 17 ... OUE I'm assuming is Ohio University Eastern, and they beat Franciscan by 5 last year

SUNY Maritime  (Hoops fan)    SUNY Maritime will have a tough time staying winless in the next couple of weeks, with the likes of NY Poly (1-4) with a win over Sarah Lawrence, Yeshiva (0-0), and Vaughn coming up in the next week and a half..

Caltech  (Mazillgd)   Caltech looks pretty solid until the end of Dec, but could they really lose to Bard on Dec 29...doubtful....  and they may be competitive with the banana slugs prior to that....

Maine Maritime  (Magicman)   Magic must have researched this one, because it looks like a good pick...I mean, right off the bat they lost to UMPI by 36... UMPI!!!!!!....  Any team that loses to UMPI by 36 is capable of winning this contest... However, danger lurks..Maine Augusta is coming up on 11/27, and they are 1-6.  New England College awaits in early January...

Martin Luther   (Mr. Ypsi)    This appears to be a solid pick too... They have lost relatively close to both Viterbo and Waldorf, and have rematches with both in the next week.. January conference games include winless Norhland and St Scholastica, but their blowout losses have been against very good competition.

Elmira  (Zander)  if there were odds in this contest, I'd say Zander might be at the bottom of the list with Elmira... they've lost by 3 and 2 to Cortland and Hamilton...they will win, but I gotta admit, with their next 8 games all on the road against decent competition, they may not get a win until their Jan 3 matchup with Oberlin..

Maranatha  (John Gleich)...  Maranatha has a rough time with D3 teams, but is competitive with other Christian schools... May be tough to get by the Christian tourney 11/29, 11/30, 12/1

Knox   (Augie77)... This could be a great pick... Knox has only played MacMurray, but lost by 30...and the schedule is very solid... in reality, if they lose to Cornell on Dec 4, and get by the Rhodes tourney consolation game prior to Christmas, a win could be hard to find...

odds
Prin 12-1
Franciscan 5-1
NY Maritime 12-1
Caltech 15-1
Maine Maritime  6-1
Martin Luther  4-1
Elmira 10-1
Maranatha  10-1
Knox  1-1

;D ;D    All in fun... I hope you all get a win this week... believe me, your efforts are respected and appreciated....








Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 25, 2012, 04:59:03 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 25, 2012, 02:52:32 PM

Franciscan  (Sac)   Franciscan jumped a big hurdle by losing to Oberlin yesterday.. Oberlin's first win.. Franciscan's games to watch in the near future would appear to be D'youville (0-4) on Dec 8 losing by about 40 points per game and OUE on Dec 17 ... OUE I'm assuming is Ohio University Eastern, and they beat Franciscan by 5 last year


OUE is Ohio University-Eastern located in St. Clairsville, OH
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 25, 2012, 06:54:42 PM
Unfortunately  I'm still alive in the Undefeated Pool as my Middlebury Panthers defeated my hometown Plattsburgh State Cardinals, 80-73 this afternoon. The only other consolation I have is that the Cardinals largest lead in the game was 9 points while Midd's largest lead was only 7. :D It was a terrific game though and the Cardinals had their chances to upset the 4th ranked team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 26, 2012, 01:57:43 AM
Other action from pool teams today:

In the Undefeated pool:

#22 Ohio Wesleyan goes to Rochester and falls by the wayside as the Yellowjackets sting the Battling Bishops 83-68 and Mr. Collindge takes a seat.

Albertus Magnus defeats visiting #23 Wesleyan 82-73



In the Winless pool:

Knox lost to visiting Lake Forest 70-55

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 26, 2012, 01:59:24 AM
Updated  Players list  with teams still in contention through 11-25:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Washington College 71-57           
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                       
3.   sac                              Baldwin-Wallace                     Lost vs Wooster 81-74                   
4.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                     Won vs Cornerstone (nonD3) at Hope 70-65 on 11-24                                   
5.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won at Misericordia 60-57
6.   Hoops Fan                   MIT                                        Won vs Curry 71-63 11-24
7.   madzillagd                    Williams                                   Won at Wesleyan 56-48                               
8.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                 
9.   ronk                             Amherst                                 Won vs Western New England 104-61                                 
10. magicman                    Middlebury                                Won at Green Mountain  117-81                         
11. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                       Won at Wabash 62-56 on 11-24                       
12. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won vs Curry 71-63 on 11-24                                     
13. zander                         Birmingham-Southern                  Lost at LaGrange 90-68
14. David Collindge              Ohio Wesleyan                           Lost at Rochester 83-68 on 11-25               
15. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at Buena Vista 80-68 on 11-24                   
16. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus                           Won  vs Wesleyan 82-73 on 11-25





Winless Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                  Earlham                                   Won vs Oberlin 76-55                                   
2.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at St. Louis Pharmacy (nonD3) 71-68                               
3.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost vs Oberlin 69-57 on 11-24                                 
4.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at CCNY 65-36                                                 
5.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Macalester 73-61 on 11-24                                   
6.   Greg Sager                  NYU-Poly                                 Won vs Sarah Lawrence (USCAA?) 84-43 on Nov. 19th                                   
7.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                           
8.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                         
9.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost vs Hamilton 62-60                                           
10. 7express                      Presentation                             Won at Central Christian (Mo.) (non D3) 96-49
11. John Gleich                  Maranatha                                   
12. augie77                       Knox                                        Lost vs Lake Forest 70-55 on 11-25                                         
                           
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 27, 2012, 02:30:34 AM
Updated  Players list  with teams still in contention through 11-26:

Undefeated Pool


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Washington College 71-57           
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                       
3.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                     Won vs Cornerstone (nonD3) at Hope 70-65 on 11-24                                   
4.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won at Misericordia 60-57
5.   Hoops Fan                   MIT                                        Won vs Curry 71-63 on 11-24
6.   madzillagd                    Williams                                   Won at Wesleyan 56-48                               
7.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                      Wonat Methodist 67-59 on 11-26                 
8.   ronk                             Amherst                                 Won vs Western New England 104-61                                 
9.   magicman                    Middlebury                                Won at Green Mountain  117-81                         
10. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                       Won at Wabash 62-56 on 11-24                       
11. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won vs Curry 71-63 on 11-24                                               
12. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at Buena Vista 80-68 on 11-24                   
13. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus                           Won  vs Wesleyan 82-73 on 11-25





Winless Pool

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at St. Louis Pharmacy (nonD3) 71-68                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost vs Oberlin 69-57 on 11-24                                 
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at CCNY 65-36                                                 
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Macalester 73-61 on 11-24                                   
5.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                           
6.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                         
7.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost vs Hamilton 62-60                                           
8.   John Gleich                  Maranatha                                   
9.   augie77                       Knox                                        Lost vs Lake Forest 70-55 on 11-25                                         
                           
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
Magic... keep your eye on the scoreboard tonight... big game for you in the winless pool...  Maine Maritime vs Maine Augusta

Maritime had 2 wins last year, one ot those was against..... Maine Augusta

  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 27, 2012, 01:52:59 PM
sac's pick of Franciscan may not be so prescient - Oberlin kept within 10 of Wooster. They may not be so hapless, and Franciscan may not be by transitive property.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 27, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 27, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
Magic... keep your eye on the scoreboard tonight... big game for you in the winless pool...  Maine Maritime vs Maine Augusta

Maritime had 2 wins last year, one ot those was against..... Maine Augusta

  ::)

hopefan,

I looked over both team's roster last night. Maine-Agusta has some freshmen that I think may help them get by the Mariners this year. Plus the Mariners lost players that were big contributors in last years' 52-50 win over the Moose. I'm hoping to sneak out a loss to keep me alive in the Winless Pool, but you're right, this could be my Waterloo! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2012, 06:13:59 PM
With all of the French Canadians in Maine, it'd be hard to tell which side is supposed to lose a Waterloo.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 27, 2012, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2012, 06:13:59 PM
With all of the French Canadians in Maine, it'd be hard to tell which side is supposed to lose a Waterloo.

Beautiful!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 27, 2012, 08:29:13 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 27, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 27, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
Magic... keep your eye on the scoreboard tonight... big game for you in the winless pool...  Maine Maritime vs Maine Augusta

Maritime had 2 wins last year, one ot those was against..... Maine Augusta

  ::)

hopefan,

I looked over both team's roster last night. Maine-Agusta has some freshmen that I think may help them get by the Mariners this year. Plus the Mariners lost players that were big contributors in last years' 52-50 win over the Moose. I'm hoping to sneak out a loss to keep me alive in the Winless Pool, but you're right, this could be my Waterloo! ;D

Right now I'm winning the battle as my Mariners are losing 54-53. I have no idea how much time is left as the video stream has no announcer and they haven't shown the clock since I've been watching. But it's a barnburner.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2012, 08:44:41 PM

My Maritimers only lost by 36, a little too close for my liking.

MIT squeaked out a win, so both teams are still alive.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 27, 2012, 08:55:04 PM
My Maine-Maritime team keeps me alive as they squeak out a loss to Maine Augusta 57-54. When my Mariners were up 51-47 I figured I was done but the Moose came back and ended with a 10-3 run to give me the loss...I mean win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2012, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 27, 2012, 08:55:04 PM
My Maine-Maritime team keeps me alive as they squeak out a loss to Maine Augusta 57-54. When my Mariners were up 51-47 I figured I was done but the Moose came back and ended with a 10-3 run to give me the loss...I mean win.

ahhh the agony of victory, the ecstasy of defeat...congrats on a great loss...... Fortunately, I don't think my Principia team will play that close to Greenville on Thursday... (a game I'll see in person)

and oh by the way .. it seems my undefeated pick has a huge game coming up on Friday...come on Magic, help a buddy out....   you wouldn't be going over to Oswego to see the Cardinals play, would you?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on November 27, 2012, 10:36:37 PM
Williams keeps rolling with a 105-60 win over RPI.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
I fall off the unbeaten list, as #3 UWW defeats #7 IWU, 71-65.  IF I had made it past this game, I liked my chances until January, but, alas, as I earlier posted, I had a bad feeling about this game.  Back-to-back titles for UWW do not seem at all out of the question.

Gee, do I recall back-to-back(-to-back) titles for UWW in some other sport? 8-)

Break up the Yankees Warhawks!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
Gee, do I recall back-to-back(-to-back) titles for UWW in some other sport? 8-)

Break up the Yankees Warhawks!!
You forgot to call for them to move to D2 :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 27, 2012, 11:25:58 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 27, 2012, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 27, 2012, 08:55:04 PM
My Maine-Maritime team keeps me alive as they squeak out a loss to Maine Augusta 57-54. When my Mariners were up 51-47 I figured I was done but the Moose came back and ended with a 10-3 run to give me the loss...I mean win.

ahhh the agony of victory, the ecstasy of defeat...congrats on a great loss...... Fortunately, I don't think my Principia team will play that close to Greenville on Thursday... (a game I'll see in person)

and oh by the way .. it seems my undefeated pick has a huge game coming up on Friday...come on Magic, help a buddy out....   you wouldn't be going over to Oswego to see the Cardinals play, would you?

hopefan,
I won't be traveling to the Oswego game as a 5 hour trip is just too far for me, especially into that area, when god knows what, will come whipping off the lake. However Oswego has streaming video so I'll be staying in town that night in my office and watching it on my computer. If there is no link on the D3hoops scoreboard just go to Oswego's website and it should be on the BB home page. If not just click on their schedule and it will be there. Decent video with announcers so it's worth the view. But knowing you, I expect you'll be taking in a game live in your area that night. ??? For what it's worth, I'm thinking my Cards have a good chance to pull off the upset against the Lakers on Friday. We almost beat them down there last year but for a questionable call in the last minute of the game. I think they're not as good this year (lost All American Chad Burridge to graduation) and I think we're better than we were last year. I expect a good hard fought game. I'd wish you good luck but.... 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2012, 12:41:46 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
Gee, do I recall back-to-back(-to-back) titles for UWW in some other sport? 8-)

Break up the Yankees Warhawks!!
You forgot to call for them to move to D2 :D

As I suspect you already know, my appeal was mocking those who have been calling for Mt. Union to move to d2 for the last decade or so. 8-)

UWW, don't leave d3.  Rest of d3 - somebody TRAMPLE 'em!  (Preferably IWU! ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 28, 2012, 05:12:55 AM
Updated  Players list  with teams still in contention through 11-27:

Undefeated Pool    Down to the Dirty Dozen


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Washington College 71-57 on 11-20           
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                        Won at Cobleskill 80-70 0n 11-27
3.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                     Won at Manchester 87-63 on 11-27                                   
4.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won vs Cabrini 74-73 on 11-27
5.   Hoops Fan                   MIT                                        Won vs Tufts 70-60on 11-27
6.   madzillagd                    Williams                                   Won at RPI 105-60 on 11-27                               
7.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                      Won vs Roanoke 73-67 on 11-28                 
8.   ronk                             Amherst                                 Won vs Lasell 84-69 on 11-27                                 
9.   magicman                    Middlebury                                Won vs Southern Vermont 96-60 on 11-27                         
10. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                       Lost vs UW-Whitewater 71-65 on 11-27                       
11. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Won vs Curry 70-60 on 11-27                                               
12. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at Buena Vista 80-68 on 11-24                   
13. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus                           Won vs Mitchell 87-74 on 11-27





Winless Pool

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at St. Louis Pharmacy (nonD3) 71-68 on 11-20                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost vs Penn State-Altoona 73-69 on 11-28                                 
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost vs Merchan Marine 78-42 on 11-27                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Redlands 106-74 on 11-28                                   
5.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                         Lost vs Maine-Augusta (nonD3) 57-54 on 11-27   
6.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Lost at Viterbo (nonD3) 74-57 on 11-28
7.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Fredonia 75-60 on 11-27                                           
8.   John Gleich                  Maranatha                                Lost vs Milwaukee Engineering 56-48 on 11-27     
9.   augie77                       Knox                                        Lost vs Grinnell 113-76 on 11-28                                         
                     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 28, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
I fall off the unbeaten list, as #3 UWW defeats #7 IWU, 71-65.  IF I had made it past this game, I liked my chances until January, but, alas, as I earlier posted, I had a bad feeling about this game.  Back-to-back titles for UWW do not seem at all out of the question.

Gee, do I recall back-to-back(-to-back) titles for UWW in some other sport? 8-)

Break up the Yankees Warhawks!!

Yeesh, they beat your team so they're going to win another title?

There's a whole conference of teams up in Wisconsin wants to have something to say about it.


... The Warhawks are who we thought they were! That's why we took the damn field. Now if you want to crown them, then crown their ass! But they are who we thought they were! And we let 'em off the hook!

Or something like that...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 28, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
Calvin won at Manchester last night 87-63 to stay unbeaten at 6-0
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 28, 2012, 11:57:43 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 28, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
Calvin won at Manchester last night 87-63 to stay unbeaten at 6-0

Duly noted and changed. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2012, 12:21:18 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 28, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
I fall off the unbeaten list, as #3 UWW defeats #7 IWU, 71-65.  IF I had made it past this game, I liked my chances until January, but, alas, as I earlier posted, I had a bad feeling about this game.  Back-to-back titles for UWW do not seem at all out of the question.

Gee, do I recall back-to-back(-to-back) titles for UWW in some other sport? 8-)

Break up the Yankees Warhawks!!

Yeesh, they beat your team so they're going to win another title?

There's a whole conference of teams up in Wisconsin wants to have something to say about it.


... The Warhawks are who we thought they were! That's why we took the damn field. Now if you want to crown them, then crown their ass! But they are who we thought they were! And we let 'em off the hook!

Or something like that...

Easy there, big guy! ;D  I didn't say I think they WILL win again (and certainly we are conceding nothing if we get a rematch), just that another title certainly is not out of the question.  (With some defending champions you just know pretty early on that a repeat would be the longest of longshots.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 28, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
The women's side of this site does not have an undefeated and winless, but if you want to see a team that puts our winless men to shame (almost on a Grinnellean level), check out the current Medgar Evers Women's record and their scores....  those have to be 6 very brave young ladies......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2012, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
The women's side of this site does not have an undefeated and winless, but if you want to see a team that puts our winless men to shame (almost on a Grinnellean level), check out the current Medgar Evers Women's record and their scores....  those have to be 6 very brave young ladies......

They are why we couldn't have a winless contest on the women's side - whoever started the contest would take Medgar Evers - BOOM! contest over!

Sheesh!  In their six games total they have fewer points than 4 of their opponents had in the one!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 28, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2012, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
The women's side of this site does not have an undefeated and winless, but if you want to see a team that puts our winless men to shame (almost on a Grinnellean level), check out the current Medgar Evers Women's record and their scores....  those have to be 6 very brave young ladies......

They are why we couldn't have a winless contest on the women's side - whoever started the contest would take Medgar Evers - BOOM! contest over!

Sheesh!  In their six games total they have fewer points than 4 of their opponents had in the one!

Here was most of the article about their 74-5 loss to Arcadia...
QuoteThe Cougars played with only 5 athletes. They tried to stay positive throughout the game and always hustled for the ball.

Sophomore Guard Jasmine Dossou led the Cougars with 4pts. Freshman Guard Jaquy Lanot added a point.

Arcadia with the win, was led by Morgan Wensley with 12pts. Victoria Roukas and Samantha Caligiuri added 11pts.
Hopefully the ladies can put together a win this year. Massey says their best chance is New Rochelle on Saturday
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 29, 2012, 04:16:27 AM
Wednesday nights results:

Undefeated Pool

Virginia Wesleyan won vs Roanoke 73-67


Winless Pool

Franciscan Lost vs Penn State-Altoona 73-69

Martin Luther Lost at Viterbo (nonD3)  74-57

Caltech Lost vs Redlands  106-74

Knox Lost vs Grinnell 113-76         Grinnell's Jack Taylor 14 minutes 18 pts (6x12 fg, 3x8 3's, 3x3 ft)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 29, 2012, 10:23:07 AM
Not Medgar Evers, but Wheelock is pretty bad as well on the women's side.  Already lost by 62 & 57 this year
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2012, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 28, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2012, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
The women's side of this site does not have an undefeated and winless, but if you want to see a team that puts our winless men to shame (almost on a Grinnellean level), check out the current Medgar Evers Women's record and their scores....  those have to be 6 very brave young ladies......

They are why we couldn't have a winless contest on the women's side - whoever started the contest would take Medgar Evers - BOOM! contest over!

Sheesh!  In their six games total they have fewer points than 4 of their opponents had in the one!

Here was most of the article about their 74-5 loss to Arcadia...
QuoteThe Cougars played with only 5 athletes. They tried to stay positive throughout the game and always hustled for the ball.

Sophomore Guard Jasmine Dossou led the Cougars with 4pts. Freshman Guard Jaquy Lanot added a point.

Arcadia with the win, was led by Morgan Wensley with 12pts. Victoria Roukas and Samantha Caligiuri added 11pts.
Hopefully the ladies can put together a win this year. Massey says their best chance is New Rochelle on Saturday

Perhaps a game should be scheduled with Cooper Union and Medgar Evers...  FCGrizzies' New Rochelle team beat Cooper Union 75-12....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on November 29, 2012, 09:24:00 PM
MIT lost...badly.  Mitch Kates played alright, 27 points, but outside of him the team shot 3-26 for the game.  In addition to Hollingsworth and Karraker being out, which I am sure most everyone is aware of by now, MIT was also missing two other rotation players, Dennis Levene and Paul Dawson.  Hats off to RIC, though, they had their best shooting night from 3 for the season, scoring 30 of their 68 points behing the arc.  They frustrated everyone offensively for MIT outside of Kates and just flat out got it done.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 29, 2012, 09:34:26 PM
Thursday nights action:

Undefeated Pool

MIT goes to Rhode Island and loses 68-44. Hoops Fan and Hugenerd say so long.

Franklin & Marshall wins at Ursinus 68-63    FCGrizzliesGrad survives a close one

Winless Pool

SUNY-Maritime lost vs  NYU-Poly 63-57   Hoops Fan gets by a big hurdle there as this was one of Maritime's best chances for a win.

Principia lost vs Greenville 92-78.     hopefan marches on

Maranatha loses at Grace Bible (nonD3) 57-45   Mr. Gleich stays alive



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 30, 2012, 04:33:14 AM
Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 11-30:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Great Eight


1.   FCGrizzlies                   Franklin & Marshall                   Won at Ursinus 68-63 on 11-29           
2.   hopefan                       Oswego State                        Lost vs Plattsburgh State 59-57 on 11-30 8-)
3.   Knightslappy                Calvin                                    Lost at Wheaton 54-37 on 11-30                                   
4.   Elthelred the UnReady   Scranton                                 Won vs Cabrini 74-73 on 11-27
5.   Hoops Fan                   MIT                                        Lost at RIC 68-44 on 11-29
6.   madzillagd                    Williams                                   Won at RPI 105-60 on 11-27                               
7.   Greg Sager                   Virginia Wesleyan                      Won vs Roanoke 73-67 on 11-28                 
8.   ronk                             Amherst                                 Won vs Elms 79-63 on 11-30                                 
9.   magicman                    Middlebury                                Won vs Southern Vermont 96-60 on 11-27                         
10. Mr. Ypsi                        Illinois Wesleyan                       Lost vs UW-Whitewater 71-65 on 11-27                       
11. Hugenerd                     MIT                                         Lost at RIC 68-44 on 11-29                                               
12. hope1                          UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at Buena Vista 80-68 on 11-24                   
13. Greek Tragedy             Albertus Magnus                           Won vs Mitchell 87-74 on 11-27





WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Great Eight

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost vs Greenville 92-78 on 11-29                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost vs Penn State-Altoona 73-69 on 11-28                                 
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost vs NYU-Poly 63-57 on 11-29                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Redlands 106-74 on 11-28                                   
5.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                         Lost vs Maine-Augusta (nonD3) 57-54 on 11-27   
6.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Lost at Viterbo (nonD3) 74-57 on 11-28
7.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Clarkson 69-55 on 11-30                                           
8.   John Gleich                  Maranatha                                Won at Lincoln Christian (nonD3) 71-66 on 11-30     
9.   augie77                       Knox                                        Lost vs Grinnell 113-76 on 11-28                                         
                     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2012, 11:17:51 AM
unless everyone else gets a win before me, Im in trouble with winless.... I don't see my Prin team going winless for the season.. They were very much in the game with Greenville last night, and they are playing an aggressive scrappy game with great emotion.. two or 3 of their guys go to the basket hard, and while a little out of control, they are capable of finishing or drawing fouls.  Kenny Sydness played last night, and he is a big addition.....

As for my undefeated dark horse Oswego, tonight is the night.. vs Magic's Plattsburg team... I'm in trouble...but IF I get by tonight, watch out!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 30, 2012, 10:52:25 PM
Calvin drops an ugly one at Wheaton 54-37. Apparently shooting 29% on the road isn't good enough to get the job done. I'm out, but I didn't expect to survive longer than MIT!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 30, 2012, 11:04:01 PM
Sorry hopefan but my Cardinals took care of business tonight and downed your Oswego Sate Lakers 59-57. It was a heck of game and went right down to the final shot. I posted a recap of the last couple of minutes on the SUNYAC board if you want to see how it ended. F
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2012, 12:51:10 AM
Maybe I'll start an 'almost undefeated' contest... ::)   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2012, 01:35:42 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2012, 12:51:10 AM
Maybe I'll start an 'almost undefeated' contest... ::)

Yeah, I'd still be alive in that!  (Though I fear loss #2 may come later today at WashU - we'll see.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2012, 02:57:04 AM
Friday night's action:

Undefeated Pool

Amherst won vs Elms 79-63

Oswego State lost vs Plattsburgh State 59-57      hopefan  bows out of the race

Calvin lost at Wheaton 54-37   KnightSlappy is out of the running


Winless Pool

Maranatha won at Lincoln Christian (nonD3) 71-66    Mr. Gleich goes down

Elmira loses at Clarkson 69-55

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2012, 04:54:25 AM
Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 11-30:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Super Six    All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #11 Franklin & Marshall                   Won at Ursinus 68-63 on 11-29                                               
2.   Elthelred the UnReady   #12 Scranton                                 Won vs Susquehanna 78-63 on 12-1
3.   madzillagd                    #24 Williams                                   Lost vs Stevens 75-69 on 12-1                               
4.   Greg Sager                   #2 Virginia Wesleyan                      Won vs Roanoke 73-67 on 11-28                 
5.   ronk                             #6 Amherst                                 Lost vs Springfield 70-64 on 12-1                                 
6.   magicman                    #4 Middlebury                                Won vs Southern Vermont 96-60 on 11-27                         
7.   hope1                          #9 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at UW-Superior 79-68 on 12-1                   
8.   Greek Tragedy             #23 Albertus Magnus                           Won vs Lasell 81-77 on 12-1


36 Undefeated Teams that were never claimed in no particular order

#3 UW-Whitewater
#5 North Central (Ill.)
#8 St. Thomas
#10 Washington U
#13 Ramapo
#14 Catholic
#17 Rochester
#18 Christopher Newport
#20 Adrian
#22 NYU
Cortland State
Stevens
WPI
Wheaton (Mass.) Lost vs Bridgewater State 62-50 on 12-1
Westfield State
Thomas
Rhode Island College
Texas-Tyler
Texas-Dallas
Mississippi College Lost at Sul Ross State 81-74 on 12-1
Wheaton (Ill)
Augustana
Rosemont
Juniata Lost at Moravian 69-55 on 12-1
Albright Lost vs Alvernia 74-68 on 12-1
Augsburg
Rowan
Richard Stockton
Wittenberg Lost vs Wooster 60-41 on 12-1
Randolph
Thomas More
Thiel
SUNY-Purchase
Greenville
North Carolina Wesleyan
UW-Stout Lost vs UW-Whitewater 64-58 on 12-1
UW-La Crosse







WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Great Eight

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Millikin  79-69 on 12-1                             
2.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost vs Hilbert 87-51 on 12-1                                 
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         cancelled vs SUNY-Purchase on 12-1                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost at Cal Lutheran 71-51 on 12-1                                     
5.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                         Lost at Bowdoin 84-51 on 12-1   
6.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Lost vs Dakota State 72-59 on 12-1
7.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at St.Lawrence 62-50 on 12-1                                               
8.   augie77                       Knox                                        Lost at Lawrence 81-66 on 12-1

34 Winless Teams that were never claimed:

St. Lawrence Won vs Elmira 62-50 on 12-1
Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Penn State-Abington
Keuka
Penn State-Berks
D'Youville
Emmanuel Won vs Mount Ida 74-73 on 12-1
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
Colby-Sawyer Won vs Johnson State 95-58 on 12-1
New England College
Western Connecticut
Mass-Dartmouth
Finlandia
Washington College
Swarthmore
Brooklyn
Elmhurst
FDU-Florham
St. John's
St. Mary's (Minn.)
Kean
TCNJ Won at Kean 63-53 on 12-1
Muskingum
Emory and Henry
Grove City
Geneva
Fontbonne Won at Blackburn 81-68 on 12-1
Blackburn
Northland
St. Scholastica Won vs Finlandia 61-55 on 12-1
Piedmont
Methodist                                         
                   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 01, 2012, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 01, 2012, 02:57:04 AM
Maranatha won at Lincoln Christian (nonD3) 71-66    Mr. Gleich goes down

Woo hoo!  I'm proud of my guys!  Now let's get the rest of this list down to zero!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 01, 2012, 06:53:04 PM
Franciscan hung on to lose 51-87 at Hilbert
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2012, 07:53:42 PM
Hoops Fan's team is so bad they don't even want to play, so they cancelled their game against SUNY-Purchase today. If this keeps up he'll win the Winless Pool by default. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2012, 08:00:58 PM
Today's results complete:

Undefeated Pool

#24 Williams lost vs Stevens Tech  75-69  and madzillagd drops from the ranks.
#12 Scranton wins vs Susquehanna 78-63
#9 UW-Stevens Point wins at UW-Superior 79-68   
#23 Albertus Magnus won vs Lasell 81-77
#6 Amherst lost vs Springfield 70-64    sorry Ronk I really thought they'd outlast Middlebury


Winless Pool

Principia Lost at Millikin  79-69 on 12-1                             
Franciscan  Lost vs Hilbert 87-51 on 12-1                                 
SUNY-Maritime cancelled vs SUNY-Purchase on 12-1                                                         
Caltech  Lost at Cal Lutheran 71-51                                 
Maine-Maritime Lost at Bowdoin 84-51 on 12-1   
Martin Luther Lost vs Dakota State 72-59 on 12-1
Elmira  Lost at St.Lawrence 62-50 on 12-1                                               
Knox  Lost at Lawrence 81-66 on 12-1



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2012, 10:36:32 PM
I almost took St. Thomas, but I didn't want to root for them when they played the Pointers.  :-[  I think if they didn't play Stevens Point, I probably would've picked them.  The MIAC always seems top heavy and Tommy Hannon is back.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: AndOne on December 01, 2012, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 30, 2012, 11:17:51 AM
unless everyone else gets a win before me, Im in trouble with winless.... I don't see my Prin team going winless for the season.. They were very much in the game with Greenville last night, and they are playing an aggressive scrappy game with great emotion.. two or 3 of their guys go to the basket hard, and while a little out of control, they are capable of finishing or drawing fouls.  Kenny Sydness played last night, and he is a big addition.....

As for my undefeated dark horse Oswego, tonight is the night.. vs Magic's Plattsburg team... I'm in trouble...but IF I get by tonight, watch out!!!!!

I don't know hope. They lost today to Millikin who has only won one game in each of the last two seasons.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2012, 11:02:43 PM
... except that the last two seasons aren't relevant to this season. Millikin's gonna struggle mightily in CCIW play, but it appears to me that the Big Blue are deeper and more talented than they were last year. They've played Loras, Coe, and Franklin relatively close, and the Millikin teams of the last two years would not have done that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2012, 01:41:32 AM
 Magic,
   No problem with Amherst/Middlebury; I'm consoled by the Scranton Royals still alive in the undefeated pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on December 02, 2012, 08:04:21 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 02, 2012, 01:41:32 AM
Magic,
   No problem with Amherst/Middlebury; I'm consoled by the Scranton Royals still alive in the undefeated pool.

As am I....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 03, 2012, 07:43:27 AM
Sunday's Results:

Virginia Wesleyan won vs Frostburg State 85-64
Middlebury won at Johnson and Wales 79-71
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 03, 2012, 07:44:17 AM
Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-3:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Super Six    All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                   Won at McDaniel 80-70 on 12-1 vs Gettysburg 12-5                                               
2.   Elthelred the UnReady   #9 Scranton                                 Won vs Susquehanna 78-63 on 12-1 at Mount St. Mary 12-6                                 
3.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                      Won vs Frostburg St. 85-64 on 12-2 at Lynchburg 12-4                                                 
4.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won at Johnson and Wales 79-71 on 12-2 vs Johnson St. 12-6                         
5.   hope1                          #7 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at UW-Superior 79-68 on 12-1  at UW-Oshkosh 12-5                 
6.   Greek Tragedy             #23 Albertus Magnus                           Won vs Lasell 81-77 on 12-1  vs Trinity (Conn.) 12-4

Undefeated Teams that were never claimed in no particular order

#2 UW-Whitewater
#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#6 Washington U
#13 Ramapo
#12 Catholic
#11 Rochester
#15 Christopher Newport
#19 Adrian
#21 NYU Lost vs New Jersey City 60-50 on 12-3
#22 Wheaton (Ill.)
#24 Stevens
Cortland State
WPI
Westfield State
Thomas
Rhode Island College
Texas-Tyler  Lost at D1 McNeese State 73-47 on 12-3
Texas-Dallas Lost at Hardin-Simmons 64-62 on 12-1
Augustana
Rosemont Lost at Immaculata 64-60 on 12-3
Augsburg
Rowan
Richard Stockton
Randolph
Thomas More
Thiel
SUNY-Purchase
Greenville Lost vs Webster 91-61 on 12-1
North Carolina Wesleyan
UW-La Crosse







WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Great Eight

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Millikin  79-69 on 12-1 at McKendree 12-4                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost vs Hilbert 87-51 on 12-1 at Pitt-Greensberg 12-5                                 
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         cancelled vs SUNY-Purchase on 12-1 vs Vaughn 12-4                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost at Cal Lutheran 71-51 on 12-1 at Masters 12-4                                     
5.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                         Lost at Bowdoin 84-51 on 12-1 vs Husson 12-4   
6.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Lost at Waldorf 79-58 on 12-3 vs Bethel 12-8
7.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at St.Lawrence 62-50 on 12-1 at Ithaca 12-4                                               
8.   augie77                       Knox                                        Lost at Lawrence 81-66 on 12-1 vs Cornell 12-4

Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Penn State-Abington
Keuka
Penn State-Berks
D'Youville
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Western Connecticut
Mass-Dartmouth
Finlandia
Washington College
Swarthmore
Brooklyn Won vs FDU-Florham 73-67 on 12-3
Elmhurst
FDU-Florham
St. John's
St. Mary's (Minn.)
Kean
Muskingum
Emory and Henry
Grove City
Geneva
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
Methodist                                         
                 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2012, 08:16:31 AM
Texas-Dallas lost at Hardin-Simmons 64-62 on 12/01

Tyler-Tyler plays D-1 McNeese State tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2012, 09:28:44 AM
Greenville no longer undefeated... lost to Webster on 12/1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 03, 2012, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2012, 08:16:31 AM
Texas-Dallas lost at Hardin-Simmons 64-62 on 12/01

Tyler-Tyler plays D-1 McNeese State tonight.

Tyler - Tyler? See when you name kids with last names you KNEW this would happen.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2012, 07:19:01 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 03, 2012, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2012, 08:16:31 AM
Texas-Dallas lost at Hardin-Simmons 64-62 on 12/01

Tyler-Tyler plays D-1 McNeese State tonight.

Tyler - Tyler? See when you name kids with last names you KNEW this would happen.  ;)
Yeah, I should not have tried to get one last post on the boards before leaving for work!   :o ;) ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2012, 07:41:47 PM
Not that it's a big deal since it doesn't knock them out of the undefeated, but Franklin & Marshall won @ McDaniel 80-70 on 12-1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2012, 12:14:16 AM
D-1 McNeese State (LA) 73, UT-Tyler 47 (http://www.uttylerpatriots.com/mbasketball/news/196/2774/)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2012, 04:38:30 AM
Pool results from 12-3:

Winless Pool

Matin Luther lost at Waldorf 79-58
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2012, 05:08:55 AM
Thanks to all for helping out with scores of teams on our Undefeated and Winless lists. Keep posting scores of any that I miss as I'm sure there will be more that escape my notice.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2012, 10:13:33 AM

My Maritime boys are hosting Vaughn tonight - this is the one I was worried about.  If we get the L tonight, it should be smooth sailing through the end of the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 04, 2012, 11:38:17 AM
Now, we gotta root for 'em to win at SOME point, you know.

They may have a shot against Yeshiva or at Polytecnic, according to Massey.

BTW, the Vaughn game's no longer on their schedule.

http://www.maritimeathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbasket
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
On the ladies side, our heroines from Medgar Evers are picking up a bit...  In their last two games (vs New Rochelle and Yeshiva), they broke the 20 point barrier on offense in each game, a number they had not hit in their first 6 games.... unfortunately that output still resulted in two +40 point losses.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2012, 11:38:17 AM
Now, we gotta root for 'em to win at SOME point, you know.

They may have a shot against Yeshiva or at Polytecnic, according to Massey.

BTW, the Vaughn game's no longer on their schedule.
http://www.maritimeathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbasket

I was going to lodge a 'no schedule changes permitted' protest, but I note they are still playing Vaughn,  on Jan. 9.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2012, 10:55:59 PM
I though I was looking pretty good with my Maine-Maritime team when they lost to Maine-Augusta last week. Yet tonight, against a Husson team that hung with WPI and Keene State, they pulled off the upset and beat the Eagles 55-51. Go figure!! Well good for them. Bad for me.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2012, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 04, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2012, 11:38:17 AM
Now, we gotta root for 'em to win at SOME point, you know.

They may have a shot against Yeshiva or at Polytecnic, according to Massey.

BTW, the Vaughn game's no longer on their schedule.
http://www.maritimeathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbasket

I was going to lodge a 'no schedule changes permitted' protest, but I note they are still playing Vaughn,  on Jan. 9.

Hoops Fan may win by default. His Maritimers have had their game against SUNY-Purchase postponed last Saturday. Then the game against Vaughn, scheduled for tonight was taken off the schedule and changed to January 9th. Plus their game against Brooklyn on Dec. 8th has been postponed. Hard to win if you don't play the game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 04, 2012, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 04, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2012, 11:38:17 AM
Now, we gotta root for 'em to win at SOME point, you know.

They may have a shot against Yeshiva or at Polytecnic, according to Massey.

BTW, the Vaughn game's no longer on their schedule.
http://www.maritimeathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbasket

I was going to lodge a 'no schedule changes permitted' protest, but I note they are still playing Vaughn,  on Jan. 9.

Hoops Fan may win by default. His Maritimers have had their game against SUNY-Purchase postponed last Saturday. Then the game against Vaughn, scheduled for tonight was taken off the schedule and changed to January 9th. Plus their game against Brooklyn on Dec. 8th has been postponed. Hard to win if you don't play the game.

Aha - my strategy for next season!  Find a team that due to some (not yet known) scandal will cancel their season! ;D  A record of 0-0 is still winless, right! ;)  Then I'll pick the same team for undefeated!  What a coup - one team, both titles! 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 04, 2012, 11:47:59 PM
If I recall, that campus was in the thick of the action during Sandy, so this may be some lingering effects. From what I read, it was electrical issues in the gym that cancelled the Purchase game.

They have a game against Yeshiva on the 6th according to their site...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2012, 06:32:18 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2012, 11:47:59 PM
If I recall, that campus was in the thick of the action during Sandy, so this may be some lingering effects. From what I read, it was electrical issues in the gym that cancelled the Purchase game.

They have a game against Yeshiva on the 6th according to their site...

Yes, I read the same thing about the electrical problem. They did recently play 2 home games though so I don't know about the problem being hurricane related, but I suppose it could be.  The Yeshiva game is on the road so I believe they'll be OK there. The postponement of the Brooklyn game is a bit strange because that was a road game at Brooklyn. I think Hoops Fan is calling the shots there. You gotta watch him like a hawk.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2012, 07:16:20 AM
Pool Results from 12-4

Undefeated Pool

Virginia Wesleyan won at Lynchburg 72-65
Albertus Magnus won vs Trinity (Conn.) 73-65


Winless Pool

Principia Lost at McKendree 92-46                               
SUNY-Maritime Postponed vs Vaughn                                                         
Caltech Lost at Masters 91-56                                       
Maine-Maritime Won 53-51 vs Husson      magicman has left the building       
Elmira  Lost at Ithaca 65-52                     
Knox  Won vs Cornell 84-80                    augie77 takes a hike

I have some small consolation. As I did the lists on Monday night I noticed that I was the last man standing to still have an entry alive in both pools. Should have never let that thought enter my mind. But that's gotta be good for some kinda bragging rights. ???

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2012, 07:22:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 04, 2012, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 04, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 04, 2012, 11:38:17 AM
Now, we gotta root for 'em to win at SOME point, you know.

They may have a shot against Yeshiva or at Polytecnic, according to Massey.

BTW, the Vaughn game's no longer on their schedule.
http://www.maritimeathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbasket

I was going to lodge a 'no schedule changes permitted' protest, but I note they are still playing Vaughn,  on Jan. 9.

Hoops Fan may win by default. His Maritimers have had their game against SUNY-Purchase postponed last Saturday. Then the game against Vaughn, scheduled for tonight was taken off the schedule and changed to January 9th. Plus their game against Brooklyn on Dec. 8th has been postponed. Hard to win if you don't play the game.

Aha - my strategy for next season!  Find a team that due to some (not yet known) scandal will cancel their season! ;D  A record of 0-0 is still winless, right! ;)  Then I'll pick the same team for undefeated!  What a coup - one team, both titles! 8-)

As those beer comercials of a couple of years ago used to claim.... Brilliant
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2012, 08:48:16 AM
Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-4:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Super Six    All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                   Won at McDaniel 80-70 on 12-1 vs Gettysburg 12-5                                               
2.   Elthelred the UnReady   #9 Scranton                                 Won vs Susquehanna 78-63 on 12-1 at Mount St. Mary 12-6                                 
3.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Won at Lynchburg 72-65  12-4                                                 
4.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won at Johnson and Wales 79-71 on 12-2 vs Johnson St. 12-6                         
5.   hope1                          #7 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at UW-Superior 79-68 on 12-1  at UW-Oshkosh 12-5                 
6.   Greek Tragedy             #23 Albertus Magnus                           Won vs Trinity (Conn.) 73-65 on 12-4

Undefeated Teams that were never claimed in no particular order

#2 UW-Whitewater
#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#6 Washington U
#13 Ramapo
#12 Catholic
#11 Rochester
#15 Christopher Newport
#19 Adrian
#22 Wheaton (Ill.)
#24 Stevens
Cortland State Lost at Geneseo 70-66 on 12-4
WPI
Westfield State
Thomas
Rhode Island College
Augustana
Augsburg
Rowan
Richard Stockton
Randolph
Thomas More
Thiel
SUNY-Purchase
North Carolina Wesleyan
UW-La Crosse







WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Super Six

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at McKendree 92-46 12-4                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                              Lost vs Hilbert 87-51 on 12-1 at Pitt-Greensberg 12-5                                 
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Postponed vs Vaughn 12-4
                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost at Masters 91-56 on 12-4                                     
5.   magicman                    Maine-Maritime                 Won 53-51 vs Husson on 12-4   
6.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Lost at Waldorf 79-58 on 12-3 vs Bethel 12-8
7.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Ithaca 65-52 12-4                                               
8.   augie77                       Knox                                        Won vs Cornell 84-80 12-4

Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Penn State-Abington
Keuka
Penn State-Berks
D'Youville
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Western Connecticut
Mass-Dartmouth
Finlandia
Washington College
Swarthmore
Brooklyn Won vs FDU-Florham 73-67 on 12-3
Elmhurst
FDU-Florham
St. John's
St. Mary's (Minn.)
Kean
Muskingum
Emory and Henry
Grove City
Geneva
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
Methodist                                         
               
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2012, 09:22:26 AM
Both winless Principia and winless Blackburn play at Rockford (1-4) in December... if they both come out of that contest winless, there is a high likelihood we'll be looking at a classic winless matchup between the two on Jan. 5.... because that game is at Blackburn, I'd rate Prin a slight favorite in that game... to lose...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 05, 2012, 09:38:07 AM

For the second year in a row Cornell has played the role of spoiler for my winless team.  Last year Millikin (1-24) beat only Cornell, 58-57.  This year Cornell has fallen to Knox.  I predict that will be Knox' only win.  I suppose I'll need to pick Cornell for winless next year :-\
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2012, 07:16:20 AM
Pool Results from 12-4

Undefeated Pool

Virginia Wesleyan won at Lynchburg 72-65
Albertus Magnus won vs Trinity (Conn.) 73-65


Winless Pool

Principia Lost at McKendree 92-46                               
SUNY-Maritime Postponed vs Vaughn                                                         
Caltech Lost at Masters 91-56                                       
Maine-Maritime Won 53-51 vs Husson      magicman has left the building       
Elmira  Lost at Ithaca 65-52                     
Knox  Won vs Cornell 84-80                    augie77 takes a hike

I have some small consolation. As I did the lists on Monday night I noticed that I was the last man standing to still have an entry alive in both pools. Should have never let that thought enter my mind. But that's gotta be good for some kinda bragging rights. ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2012, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 05, 2012, 09:22:26 AM
Both winless Principia and winless Blackburn play at Rockford (1-4) in December... if they both come out of that contest winless, there is a high likelihood we'll be looking at a classic winless matchup between the two on Jan. 5.... because that game is at Blackburn, I'd rate Prin a slight favorite in that game... to lose...

  Will D3hoops be covering the classic? I remember Kansas-Kansas St rivalry football game a few(?) years ago at end of year when both were 0-10 and it ended in a tie(before the tiebreaker).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2012, 10:37:01 AM
There's always the return matchup between those...titans.

It could be a win - win - win for all concerend!

As for Cornell, they're 2-3 and beat St. Norbert. Just probably had a bad game or something or other.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2012, 10:57:26 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 05, 2012, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 05, 2012, 09:22:26 AM
Both winless Principia and winless Blackburn play at Rockford (1-4) in December... if they both come out of that contest winless, there is a high likelihood we'll be looking at a classic winless matchup between the two on Jan. 5.... because that game is at Blackburn, I'd rate Prin a slight favorite in that game... to lose...

  Will D3hoops be covering the classic? I remember Kansas-Kansas St rivalry football game a few(?) years ago at end of year when both were 0-10 and it ended in a tie(before the tiebreaker).

I would consider going to this game to represent D3hoops... it would be fun... but unfortunately it is opposite a game between the two SLIAC leaders, Spalding at Westminster, that I will likely attend....  (Spalding's vociferous fans and their disagreement with SLIAC officiating is always entertaining)....We'll have to miss that first win for someone.... now then, SLIAC poster Yjak's wife is a Blackburn alum... maybe we can convince her..... ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2012, 01:18:06 PM
Hope1 should be nervous for his Stevens Point pick tonight. They head to Oshkosh. Despite going 0-16 in the WIAC last year, they did take the Pointers into overtime last time they played at Kolf. The Titans also took River Falls and Platteville to an extra session. Point has had trouble in the past at Oshkosh, so it will pins and needles for this Pointer fan tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: njf1003 on December 05, 2012, 09:25:55 PM
F&M barely remains in the undefeated pool knocking off GBurg 54-51.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 05, 2012, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2012, 01:18:06 PM
Hope1 should be nervous for his Stevens Point pick tonight. They head to Oshkosh. Despite going 0-16 in the WIAC last year, they did take the Pointers into overtime last time they played at Kolf. The Titans also took River Falls and Platteville to an extra session. Point has had trouble in the past at Oshkosh, so it will pins and needles for this Pointer fan tonight.

Never fear Hope... UWSP snuck by with a 74-53 at Oshkosh.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2012, 11:34:03 PM
Pool results from 12-5

Undefeated Pool

Franklin & Marshall won vs Gettysburg 55-51

UW-Stevens Point won at UW-Oshkosh 74-53


Winless Pool

Franciscan lost at Pitt-Greensburg 85-75
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2012, 11:48:41 PM
Among the unselected winless teams, Elmhurst (CCIW) a 20 game winner only 4 years ago lost to a SLIAC team tonight to go to 0-5.  "Lo, how the mighty have fallen". 8-)

They eventually lost by only 4, but at one point trailed by 24.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2012, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2012, 11:48:41 PM
Among the unselected winless teams, Elmhurst (CCIW) a 20 game winner only 4 years ago lost to a SLIAC team tonight to go to 0-5.

Worse, it happened in Elmhurst's gym.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 06, 2012, 01:56:04 AM
 No damage to our players on Thursday night.

Total of 24 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-6

Total of 26 Winless teams left in D3 through 12-6

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-6:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Super Six    All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Gettysburg 54-51 on 12-5 vs Haverford 12-8                                               
2.   Elthelred the UnReady   #9 Scranton                                 Won at Mount St. Mary 64-57 on 12-6 vs Merchant Marine 12-9                                 
3.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Won at Lynchburg 72-65  12-4 vs Guilford 12-8                                               
4.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won vs Johnson St.103-67 vs Skidmore on 12-8                         
5.   hope1                          #7 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won at UW-Oshkosh 74-53 on 12-5 vs Augustana 12-8                 
6.   Greek  Tragedy             #23 Albertus Magnus                       Won vs Trinity (Conn.) 73-65 on 12-4 at Norwich 12-8

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#2 UW-Whitewater
#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#6 Washington U
#11 Rochester
#12 Catholic Lost at DeSales 76-66 on 12-5
#13 Ramapo
#14 Rhode Island College Lost at WPI 79-68 on 12-6
#15 Christopher Newport Lost at St. Mary's 65-60 on 12-5
#19 Adrian
#22 Wheaton (Ill.)
#25 Stevens
Cortland State Lost at Geneseo 70-66 on 12-4
WPI
Westfield State Lost vs Wesleyan 70-59 on 12-5
Thomas
Augustana
Augsburg
Rowan Lost at Kean 78-77 on 12-5
Richard Stockton
Randolph
Thomas More
Thiel
SUNY-Purchase Lost at Farmingdale St. 78-57 on 12-5
North Carolina Wesleyan
UW-La Crosse Lost vs UW-Whitewater 64-52 on 12-5







WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Super Six

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at McKendree 92-46 12-4 at Rockford 12-14                                 
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at Pitt-Greensberg 85-75 on 12-5 at D'Youville 12-8  Somethings gotta give                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost at Masters 91-56 on 12-4 at C-M-Scripps on 12-8                                       
5.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Lost at Waldorf 79-58 on 12-3 vs Bethel 12-8
6.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Ithaca 65-52 on 12-4 at St. John Fisher on12-7                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Penn State-Abington
Keuka
Penn State-Berks
D'Youville
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Western Connecticut   Won at Worcester State 74-71 on 12-6
Mass-Dartmouth
Finlandia
Washington College
Swarthmore Won vs Washington College 87-82 on 12-5
Brooklyn Won vs FDU-Florham 73-67 on 12-3
Elmhurst
FDU-Florham Won vs Drew 86-80 on 12-5
St. John's Won at Gustavus Adolpgus 69-65 on 12-1
St. Mary's (Minn.)
Kean   Won vs Rowan 78-77 on 12-5
Muskingum
Emory and Henry Won vs Hiwassee (nonD3) 66-49 on 12-5
Grove City Won at Waynesburg 55-49 on 12-5
Geneva
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
Methodist                                         
             
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 07, 2012, 01:47:10 AM
Pool results from Thursday 12-6:

Undefeated Pool

#9 Scranton won at Mount St. Mary 64-57

#3 Middlebury won vs Johnson State 103-67

#23 Albertus Magnus won vs Mount Ida 93-86


Winless Pool

SUNY-Maritime lost at Yeshiva 72-50   
Having lost 3 games through postponements or cancellations this team is now off until January 13th. They may be the winner before they have to play again. I think an asterisk in the record books would be appropriate if that turns out to be the case.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 07, 2012, 01:49:39 AM
Western Connecticut won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  74-71 over Worcester, so Magic can scratch them off the "notable winless teams not taken" now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2012, 09:17:12 AM
Lots of recent carnage on both ledgers!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 07, 2012, 10:16:42 AM
I think Greek Tragedy is walking away with the undefeated title.  The only team left on Albertus slate that's going to beat them is themselves.  They may not lose their first game until March
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
Albertus plays Yale on 12/18, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 07, 2012, 11:54:25 AM
Oops, I forgot that game counted.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 07, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
Quote from: 7express on December 07, 2012, 11:54:25 AM
Oops, I forgot that game counted.

Sadly, for Greek Tragedy, it does count.  There's always the possibility of an upset as Yale isn't having that great of a season, but still the D1 boys will be tough to hang with.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 07, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
Big weekend for me on the losing side

12/8  Franciscan 0-6 @ D'Youville 0-6
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2012, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: sac on December 07, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
Big weekend for me on the losing side

12/8  Franciscan 0-6 @ D'Youville 0-6

Hope heck... THIS is a game that counts!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2012, 02:18:32 PM
Franciscan has just a 12% chance of springing the 'upset' according to Massey. On the return game in Ohio in January, they're up to a 29% shot.

They have a 1% higher chance of beating Muskingum at home on January 2nd than beating D'Youville on the road tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2012, 04:28:15 AM
Only 1 game Friday night in Pool action:

Winless Pool

Elmira lost at St. John Fisher 52-43 keeping a smile on zander's face. :)

There was some blood in the unclaimed ranks as 3 more teams were stricken from the lists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2012, 04:35:12 AM
 No damage to our players on Saturday night.

Total of 18 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-8

Total of 18  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-8

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-8:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Super Six    All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                   Won vs Haverford 61-59 on 12-8 at Mt. St. Joseph 12-18                                               
2.   Elthelred the UnReady   #9 Scranton                                 Won at Mount St. Mary 64-57 on 12-6 vs Merchant Marine 12-9                                 
3.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Won vs Guilford 63-49 on 12-8 vs Salisbury 12-17                                               
4.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
5.   hope1                          #7 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs Augustana 67-59 on 12-8 at UW-Whitewater 12-12                 
6.   Greek  Tragedy             #23 Albertus Magnus                       Won at Norwich 78-61 on 12-8 at D1 Yale 12-18  Oh Oh!!!

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#2 UW-Whitewater
#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#6 Washington U Lost at Wheaton (Ill.)  66-64 on 12-8
#11 Rochester
#13 Ramapo
#19 Adrian
#22 Wheaton (Ill.)
#25 Stevens
WPI
Thomas  Lost vs Colby-Sawyer 73-68 on 12-7
Augustana Lost at UM-Stevens Point 67-59 on 12-8
Augsburg
Richard Stockton Lost at Rutgers-Newark 54-49 on 12-8
Randolph
Thomas More Lost vs Washington and Jefferson 92-82 on 12-8
Thiel Lost at Bethany 64-43 on 12-8
North Carolina Wesleyan







WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Super Six

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at McKendree 92-46 12-4 at Rockford 12-14                                 
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at D'Youville 68-65 on  12-8  vs Ohio Univ. Eastern on 12-17                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost at C-M-Scripps 84-70 on 12-8 at UC Santa Cruz 12-15                                       
5.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Lost vs Bethel 93-80 on 12-8 vs St. John's 12-10
6.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at St. John Fisher 52-43 on12-7  at Hilbert 12-15                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Penn State-Abington Won vs York (Pa) 90-79 on 12-5 Thanks hopefan
Keuka Won vs Morrisville State 59-50 on 12-5    Thanks again hopefan
Penn State-Berks   Won vs Gallaudet 75-72 on 12-7
D'Youville  Won vs Franciscan 68-65 on 12-8
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Mass-Dartmouth
Finlandia Won vs Northland 94-93 on 12-7   Wow a winless team wins and scores 94 points!!....against another winless team!! ;D
Washington College
Elmhurst  Won vs Webster 87-70 on 12-8
St. Mary's (Minn.)
Muskingum
Geneva Won vs Waynesburg 68-62 on 12-8
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
Methodist  Won vs Huntingdon74-55 on 12-8                                         
           
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on December 08, 2012, 07:22:13 AM
Question:

If 2 or more teams finish either winless or undefeated, is the "winner" declared based on point differential?

Or is the $1,000,000 prize split equally?

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on December 08, 2012, 07:22:13 AM
Question:

If 2 or more teams finish either winless or undefeated, is the "winner" declared based on point differential?

Or is the $1,000,000 prize split equally?

A playoff is held to see who loses
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2012, 12:42:53 PM
Winless meanderings....

Keuka needs to come off winless list, beating Morrisville  59-50 on 12/5

Penn State Abington needs to come off winless list, beating York Pa 90-71 on 12/5

Houghton is not listed in D3hoops (East Region) and should therefore be ineligible for recognition

Winless Elmira does have 2 games with winless Houghton scheduled... a great opportunity for Elmira to get off the list

Winless Regis and winless Southern Vermont are scheduled to play twice

Winless New England College plays Maine Maritime (just off the winless list)  twice

Winless Regis and winless Mass -Dartmouth play on Jan 2

Winless SUNY Maritime plays Vaughn, record unknown, on Jan 9

Winless Franciscan and winless D'youville play twice

Winless Franciscan and winless Muskingum play Jan 2

Winless Principia and winless Blackburn play twice

Winless Northland and winless Martin Luther play twice

Winless Methodist and winless Piedmont play twice
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
hopefan,
Houghton is the newest member of the Empire 8 conference and is in transition to D3. If you go to any team page of a current E8 member such as Ithaca for example and bring up their schedule, you can click on Houghton. When you do so, their team page comes up and says they are in the East Region.  :P

I think D3hoops just hasn't gotten around to fixing the East region page yet.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
Thanks Magic.. I'm falling behind the times...hopefully Pat will hear us and get Houghton on the East Region page

                          PAT  !!!!   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2012, 04:39:56 PM
With the football semi-finals today, then the Stagg in just six days, Pat may have more pressing matters at the moment! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 08, 2012, 05:34:55 PM
D'Youville 68 Franciscan 65

D'Youville scored the last 4 points of the game in the last 24 seconds, the 3 pointer to tie missed.
next in 9 day against Ohio University Eastern.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2012, 10:06:53 PM
Pool Results for Saturday (so far)

Undefeated Pool

Franklin & Marshall won vs Haverford 61-59

Virginia Wesleyan won vs Guilford 63-49

Middlebury won vs Skidmore 74-53

UW-Stevens Point won vs Augustana 67-59

Albertus Magnus won at Norwich 78-61


Winless Pool

Franciscan lost at D'Youville 68-65

Martin Luther lost vs Bethel 93-80

Caltech at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   Just tipped off at 10 PM Caltech lost to CMS 84-70

Plenty of blood in the unclaimed ranks today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Add undefeated Wheaton handing WashU its first loss - 66-64 on a buzzer-beater.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 09, 2012, 09:23:49 PM
Today's Pool Action:

#9 Scranton loses vs Merchant Marine 67-54 and Ethelred the Unready is ready to say goodbye.

In other action:

#25 Stevens drops off the unclaimed undefeated list as they lose at #21 NYU  71-65

North Carolina Wesleyan also drops off the unclaimed undefeated list as they fall at Maryville (Tenn.) 86-72
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 09, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
Updated through 12-09:

Total of 16 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-9

Total of 20  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-9

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-9:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Fabulous Five   All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                 Won vs Haverford 61-59 on 12-8 at Mt. St. Joseph 12-18                                               
2.   Elthelred the UnReady   #9 Scranton                                 Lost vs Merchant Marine 67-54 on 12-9                                 
3.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Won vs Guilford 63-49 on 12-8 vs Salisbury 12-17                                               
4.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
5.   hope1                          #7 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs Augustana 67-59 on 12-8 at UW-Whitewater 12-12                 
6.   Greek  Tragedy             #23 Albertus Magnus                       Won at Norwich 78-61 on 12-8 at D1 Yale 12-18  Oh Oh!!!

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#2 UW-Whitewater
#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#11 Rochester
#13 Ramapo
#19 Adrian
#22 Wheaton (Ill.)
#25 Stevens Lost at NYU 71-65 on 12-9
WPI
Augsburg
Randolph
North Carolina Wesleyan Lost at Maryville (Tenn.) 86-72 on 12-9
Lakeland          New addition presently with a 6-0 record.  Apologies to the Lakeland fans.




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Super Six

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at McKendree 92-46 12-4 at Rockford 12-14                                 
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at D'Youville 68-65 on  12-8  vs Ohio Univ. Eastern on 12-17                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost at C-M-Scripps 84-70 on 12-8 at UC Santa Cruz 12-15                                       
5.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Lost vs Bethel 93-80 on 12-8 vs St. John's 12-10
6.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at St. John Fisher 52-43 on12-7  at Hilbert 12-15                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Mass-Dartmouth
Washington College
St. Mary's (Minn.)
Muskingum
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
SUNYIT                       New addition presently with an 0-4 record.
Concordia-Chicago       New addition presently with an 0-7 record.

The fans of these last 2 schools probably wish I hadn't discovered that fact.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2012, 02:31:14 AM
F&M have won their last 4 games by a combined 20 points and the last two by a total of 5 points... but they're hanging in the undefeated pool for me. Now I have to decide whether to root for my HCAC to get a big win for the conference when they play Mount St Joseph and Transylvania back to back nights. Not too worried about MSJ winning but Transy might have a shot since they're hosting
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 10, 2012, 06:09:54 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 09, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
Updated through 12-9:
             
6.   Greek  Tragedy             #23 Albertus Magnus                       Won at Norwich 78-61 on 12-8 at D1 Yale 12-18  Oh Oh!!!

yeah, didn't see that they played Yale.  Ironically, Albertus Magnus beat all my other picks that others took.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 10, 2012, 06:09:54 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 09, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
Updated through 12-9:
             
6.   Greek  Tragedy             #23 Albertus Magnus                       Won at Norwich 78-61 on 12-8 at D1 Yale 12-18  Oh Oh!!!

yeah, didn't see that they played Yale.  Ironically, Albertus Magnus beat all my other picks that others took.

You could still finish in 2nd place as all remaining teams play before Albertus does on the 18th except my Middlebury Panthers. F & M plays on the 18th, as well, and tips off 30 minutes after Albertus does. If the Falcons could somehow get Yale into OT before losing and all the other teams lose their next game, you'd come in 2nd.

Also hard to believe you wouldn't have taken the Pointers, instead of Albertus Magnus, if they were available. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on December 10, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
Is it beyond the realm of possibility for AM to defeat Yale?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 04:21:01 PM
Highly unlikely:

Yale's #282 out of #347 in Sagarin and in Pomeroy they're #261.

In Massey, in all of the NCAA, Yale's #275 and Albertus is #746.

Yale's not good for D-1, less than stellar. But their not horrifically bad like Grambling (#703 in Massey  - the nearest D-1 competitor to that ranking is Maryland - Eastern Shore at #627). I don't think Magnus can win unless Yale just puts up the stinker of all stinkers, or Albertus Magnus has a bit of Chaminade in them. (Even so, Chaminade's ranking in Massey is only 200 or so behind Texas...)

If you want to be transitive: Yale beat Bryant who beat Boston College who beat Penn State who beat Bucknell who beat George Mason who beat Virginia who beat Wisconsin....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on December 10, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
In 2004 Williams beat Holy Cross by 7 in Worcester, and Yale's record to date this year is significantly inferior to that of Holy Cross then, but AM this year is surely inferior to Williams then.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
I don't think that Williams team would have beaten 2012-13 Lasell by just 4.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 08:33:47 PM
While perusing through Ken Massey's D3 rankings I discovered three omissions that should have been on our radar and added them to the latest post above, that shows the complete Undefeated and Winless lists.

Lakeland is still undefeated with a 6-0 record.

SUNYIT is still winless with an 0-4 record.

Concordia-Chicago (I thought we called them Concordia (Ill.) or am I dreaming?) is still winless with an 0-7 record.

Massey does show another undefeated team, Thomas More, who was on my list, but dropped off as they lost on 12-8 to Washington and Jefferson and he doesn't have that game listed on their schedule.

I'm surprised with all of the eagle eyes on this board, those omissions were never picked up. ??? 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
They're Concordia-Chicago now. It's a recent change but that's what they went by in football this year.

Who compiled the undefeated / winless vs. D-3 list? Was there some spreadsheet involved?

SUNYIT is in the right (?) conference to leave the winless list. Lots of win opportunities abounding there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2012, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2012, 08:33:47 PMConcordia-Chicago (I thought we called them Concordia (Ill.) or am I dreaming?) is still winless with an 0-7 record.

The school, which is located in the western suburb of River Forest, used to call itself Concordia University-River Forest (CURF), but a few years ago it redubbed itself Concordia University-Chicago (CUC), presumably because there's even a lot of people in Chicagoland who don't know where or what the heck River Forest is.

Me, I keep calling it Concordia (IL), because it's not in Chicago. If you want people to think you're in the 'hood, then move your campus to the 'hood. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
They're Concordia-Chicago now. It's a recent change but that's what they went by in football this year.

Who compiled the undefeated / winless vs. D-3 list? Was there some spreadsheet involved?

SUNYIT is in the right (?) conference to leave the winless list. Lots of win opportunities abounding there.

Yes, I did that in the past... had a spreadsheet that downloaded scores from this site and generated win-loss records... no spreadsheet this year, but I'm missing it badly.. it will likely reappear next year to help here as well as maintain the d3 vs non d3 records....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2012, 09:10:09 PM
What Greg said!  The campus is 3 blocks from my brother's old house (he's retired from Oak Park-River Forest HS) - no matter how they try to spin it, it is CURF (or, in deference to Greg, Concordia (IL))  Only in their PR department is it Concordia-Chicago. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2012, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:07:40 PMas well as maintain the d3 vs non d3 records....

I really miss the D3 vs. Others results. But, since I don't have the stamina and the stick-to-it-iveness to do it myself, I can't very well plead for somebody else to do it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2012, 09:13:25 PM
I kinda liked the CURF abbreviation, because you could just call it "Curf" in casual conversation with local D3 people, and they'd know which school you were talking about.

The irony is that, even though that school is most definitely not in Chicago, and I live in Chicago, it's tied for the closest D3 campus to my domicile. (I'm equidistant from CURF Concordia (IL) and its' crosstown rival, Dominican, as I live a little more than a mile away from each.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:21:33 PM
 Thanks guys!! Massey still calls it Concordia IL...no parentheses.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2012, 09:26:59 PM
That Ken Massey is such a rebel. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:27:09 PM
In other news Chuck is in big danger as Martin Luther is on the verge of winning their first game and giving Mr. Ypsi the old heave ho.
The Knights lead the St. John's Johnnies, 65-56 with 3:08 to play.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:27:09 PM
In other news Chuck is in big danger as Martin Luther is on the verge of winning their first game and giving Mr. Ypsi the old heave ho.
The Knights lead the St. John's Johnnies, 65-56 with 3:08 to play.

13 points with 1:18 to go....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2012, 09:40:36 PM
Martin Luther 76
St. John's 63

That snaps an eight-game losing streak for MLC, dating back to last season. It's only the third win in the last 33 games for the Knights. It's also their first victory over a MIAC team since they beat St. Olaf five years ago today.

Last year St. John's beat MLC by 36.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
They're Concordia-Chicago now. It's a recent change but that's what they went by in football this year.

Who compiled the undefeated / winless vs. D-3 list? Was there some spreadsheet involved?

SUNYIT is in the right (?) conference to leave the winless list. Lots of win opportunities abounding there.

Yes, I did that in the past... had a spreadsheet that downloaded scores from this site and generated win-loss records... no spreadsheet this year, but I'm missing it badly.. it will likely reappear next year to help here as well as maintain the d3 vs non d3 records....

Don't let hopefan kid us. He had that spreadsheet this year. :o The start of the season  just happened to coincide with his planned 40th anniversary vacation that Mrs. hopefan had planned for him, and he wasn't about to put his foot down and say we'll delay it until April. Those RPI guys are all alike. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2012, 09:40:36 PM
Martin Luther 76
St. John's 63

That snaps an eight-game losing streak for MLC, dating back to last season. It's only the third win in the last 33 games for the Knights. It's also their first victory over a MIAC team since they beat St. Olaf five years ago today.

Last year St. John's beat MLC by 36.

See what happens when Gagliardi retires...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
They're Concordia-Chicago now. It's a recent change but that's what they went by in football this year.

Who compiled the undefeated / winless vs. D-3 list? Was there some spreadsheet involved?

SUNYIT is in the right (?) conference to leave the winless list. Lots of win opportunities abounding there.

Yes, I did that in the past... had a spreadsheet that downloaded scores from this site and generated win-loss records... no spreadsheet this year, but I'm missing it badly.. it will likely reappear next year to help here as well as maintain the d3 vs non d3 records....

Don't let hopefan kid us. He had that spreadsheet this year. :o The start of the season  just happened to coincide with his planned 40th anniversary vacation that Mrs. hopefan had planned for him, and he wasn't about to put his foot down and say we'll delay it until April. Those RPI guys are all alike. ::)
Actually did meet her when I was a Junior at RPI... innocent frosh nursing student at Albany Med...the ol hopefan fell like a ton of bricks... ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:48:43 PM
The Martin Luther 76-63 win over St John's was the only game in Pool play tonight.


Bethany Lutheran giving  #5 St Thomas all they can handle at the moment as they lead the Tommies 57-56 with 8:26 left in the game. St Thomas is the only other team on either list that's in action tonight.  Could have 2 losers tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2012, 09:49:05 PM
Ah, well, Martin Luther was a spur-of-the-moment pick when the Pool started rather abruptly and many of my picks had already been taken before I even noticed it!  Finishing in the top 6 (?) was better than I expected!  (Still, I WAS starting to get hopeful! ;D)

Just saw Smed's post - Gags retirement has had repercussions no one anticipated!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pjunito on December 10, 2012, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: frank uible on December 10, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
Is it beyond the realm of possibility for AM to defeat Yale?

Frank, I might be the biggest Albertus fan out there.... Albertus will have a great experience playing at Yale in a historical setting, it will be fun for them to play and they will do their best to compete. However, Yale has bigger forwards and guards and are deeper. Yale wins by 18 or so.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:54:27 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
They're Concordia-Chicago now. It's a recent change but that's what they went by in football this year.

Who compiled the undefeated / winless vs. D-3 list? Was there some spreadsheet involved?

SUNYIT is in the right (?) conference to leave the winless list. Lots of win opportunities abounding there.

Yes, I did that in the past... had a spreadsheet that downloaded scores from this site and generated win-loss records... no spreadsheet this year, but I'm missing it badly.. it will likely reappear next year to help here as well as maintain the d3 vs non d3 records....

Don't let hopefan kid us. He had that spreadsheet this year. :o The start of the season  just happened to coincide with his planned 40th anniversary vacation that Mrs. hopefan had planned for him, and he wasn't about to put his foot down and say we'll delay it until April. Those RPI guys are all alike. ::)
Actually did meet her when I was a Junior at RPI... innocent frosh nursing student at Albany Med...the ol hopefan fell like a ton of bricks... ;)

A nursing student, no wonder you married her. I take it back. Some of you RPI guys are sly like a fox, getting someone to heal you up now that youre getting up there in Ypsi's and my territory. 8-) My wife was an elementary schoolteacher, and 40 years later she's still always correcting me. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 10:17:46 PM
#5 St. Thomas down 76-71 at Bethany Lutheran scores 5 points in the last 9 seconds to send it into OT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2012, 10:49:48 PM
St. Thomas hangs on to defeat Bethany Lutheran 94-91 and remain undefeated. Great game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on December 11, 2012, 08:14:58 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:54:27 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 10, 2012, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
They're Concordia-Chicago now. It's a recent change but that's what they went by in football this year.

Who compiled the undefeated / winless vs. D-3 list? Was there some spreadsheet involved?

SUNYIT is in the right (?) conference to leave the winless list. Lots of win opportunities abounding there.

Yes, I did that in the past... had a spreadsheet that downloaded scores from this site and generated win-loss records... no spreadsheet this year, but I'm missing it badly.. it will likely reappear next year to help here as well as maintain the d3 vs non d3 records....

Don't let hopefan kid us. He had that spreadsheet this year. :o The start of the season  just happened to coincide with his planned 40th anniversary vacation that Mrs. hopefan had planned for him, and he wasn't about to put his foot down and say we'll delay it until April. Those RPI guys are all alike. ::)
Actually did meet her when I was a Junior at RPI... innocent frosh nursing student at Albany Med...the ol hopefan fell like a ton of bricks... ;)

A nursing student, no wonder you married her. I take it back. Some of you RPI guys are sly like a fox, getting someone to heal you up now that youre getting up there in Ypsi's and my territory. 8-) My wife was an elementary schoolteacher, and 40 years later she's still always correcting me. :D

Well, mine is a school psychologist.  I walk a fine line.......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: lildave678 on December 11, 2012, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: pjunito on December 10, 2012, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: frank uible on December 10, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
Is it beyond the realm of possibility for AM to defeat Yale?

Frank, I might be the biggest Albertus fan out there.... Albertus will have a great experience playing at Yale in a historical setting, it will be fun for them to play and they will do their best to compete. However, Yale has bigger forwards and guards and are deeper. Yale wins by 18 or so.

Much like pjunito, I'm predicting Yale will win...but I think Coach Mitch and the Falcons learned a lot when they played them in 09-10. That team, which featured Ray Askey as a sophomore and Jeff Lora as a freshman were down by 5 at half. Yale imposed their will in the second half and won by 21 but the Falcons hung for a while. Now, I'm completely unfamiliar with the Yale team but I'd say this Falcon team is much more deeper and talented. Plus Lora and Jimmy E both played in that game (Lora actually shut down all star center Greg Mangano) and will be back for this game. Should be fun though! I think Yale wins by 12-14.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2012, 10:58:52 AM
With Ypsi's Martin Luther team being eliminated with a stunning win over St John's, the winless pool is down to 5... and I notice that the next pool team to play is my Principia team on Friday 12/14...  playing at Rockford.. Rockford lost their first four games of the year, but has since won 3 in a row, albeit against teams with losing records...Prin could compete in this game...I'll be keeping my eye on this one.....  Then on Saturday, Madzillgd's Caltech team plays Santa Cruz, which could also be a nail biter, and Zander's Elmira plays Hilbert, who is 7-2 but with many of the wins against weak teams... upset possibilities?   heck, our list could be down to 2 or 3 by the end of the weekend.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 11, 2012, 11:45:21 AM
Updated through 12-15:

Total of 14 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-15

Total of 16  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-15

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-15:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Fabulous Five   All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #7 Franklin & Marshall                 Won vs Haverford 61-59 on 12-8 vs Mt. St. Joseph at Transylvania 12-18                                                                               
2.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Won vs Guilford 63-49 on 12-8 vs Salisbury 12-17                                               
3.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
4.   hope1                          #6 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs Edgewood 63-48 on 12-15 at St. Thomas 12-21                 
5.   Greek  Tragedy             #21 Albertus Magnus                       Won at Norwich 78-61 on 12-8 at D1 Yale 12-18  Oh Oh!!!

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#2 UW-Whitewater  Lost vs UW-Stevens Point 72-61 on 12-12
#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#8 Rochester
#9 Wheaton (Il.) Lost at Northwestern (Minn.) 67-62 on 12-14 
#11 Ramapo
#14 Adrian
#19WPI
Augsburg
Randolph
Lakeland          New addition presently with a 7-0 record.  Apologies to the Lakeland fans.




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fabulous Five

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  vs Illinois College 1-3-13                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at D'Youville 68-65 on  12-8  vs Ohio Univ. Eastern on 12-17                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost at UC Santa Cruz 68-63 on 12-15 vs Puget Sound 12-16                                       
5.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Won vs St. John's  76-63 on 12-10 
6.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Hilbert 71-66 on 12-15 vs Merchant Marine on 12-28 at Daytona Beach                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Mass-Dartmouth Won at Johnson and Wales in OT 86-83 in 12-11
Washington College
St. Mary's (Minn.) Won at Bethany Lutheran 59-55 on 12-12    Bethany Lutheran almost knocked off #5 St Thomas on  Monday losing to the Tommies 94-91 in OT. Tonight they couldn't get by winless St. Mary's. Go figure.
Muskingum
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
SUNYIT                    New addition presently with an 0-5 record   
Concordia-Chicago    Won at Maranatha Baptist 75-69 on 12-15

The fans of these last 2 schools probably wish I hadn't discovered that fact.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: njf1003 on December 11, 2012, 02:07:42 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 11, 2012, 11:45:21 AM
1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                 Won vs Haverford 61-59 on 12-8 at Mt. St. Joseph 12-18                                                                               

While it doesn't really matter the F&M v  Mt. St. Joseph game is at Transy.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2012, 09:49:53 PM
WOW   Principia absolutely no problem staying winless losing to Rockford 91-59... not at all the kind of score I expected.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 14, 2012, 09:53:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 14, 2012, 09:49:53 PM
WOW   Principia absolutely no problem staying winless losing to Rockford 91-59... not at all the kind of score I expected.....

As Rockford is only a couple of years away from being a winless favorite, you may have a 'winner' in Principia!  On the other hand, you have some 'powerful' opposition! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
Concordia-Chicago didn't like being put on the winless list as they win @ Maranatha Baptist 75-69

And because I'm bored and interested in things like this... a conference by conference breakdown of teams with a 0 in their record:
Conferences with none: ASC, CAC, CUNYAC, CSAC, CCC, HCAC, IND, IIAC, Land, LL, LEC, MASCAC, MAC (C&F), MWC, NCAC, NWC, PAC, SCAC, SUNYAC,
AMCC: Franciscan 0-8
CC: F&M 7-0; Washington College 0-7 Jan 12th
CCIW: North Central 9-0
E8: Houghton 0-6; Elmira 0-8 Jan 12th
GNAC: Albertus Magnus 7-0
MIAA: Adrian 7-0
MIAC: St Thomas 8-0; Augsburg 7-0 Jan 5th
NEWMAC: WPI 10-0
NECC: Regis 0-8; Southern Vermont 0-10 Jan 10th
NESCAC: Middlebury 8-0
NJAC: Ramapo 8-0
NAC: New England College 0-10
NEAC: SUNYIT 0-5; Lancaster Bible 0-9 Jan 21st
NAthC: Lakeland 7-0
OAC: Muskingum 0-8
ODAC: Randolph 9-0; Virginia Wesleyan 7-0 Jan 12th
SKY: SUNY-Maritime 0-6
SCIAC: Caltech 0-9
SLIAC: Principia 0-7; Blackburn 0-8 Jan 5th
UAA: Rochester 10-0
UMAC: Northland 0-6
USAC: Piedmont 0-6
WIAC: UW-Stevens Point 9-0

Only the Centennial Conference still has an unbeaten and winless team left
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 15, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
Concordia-Chicago didn't like being put on the winless list as they win @ Maranatha Baptist 75-69

And because I'm bored and interested in things like this... a conference by conference breakdown of teams with a 0 in their record:
Conferences with none: ASC, CAC, CUNYAC, CSAC, CCC, HCAC, IND, IIAC, Land, LL, LEC, MASCAC, MAC (C&F), MWC, NCAC, NWC, PAC, SCAC, SUNYAC,
AMCC: Franciscan 0-8
CC: F&M 7-0; Washington College 0-7 Jan 12th
CCIW: North Central 9-0
E8: Houghton 0-6; Elmira 0-8 Jan 12th
GNAC: Albertus Magnus 7-0
MIAA: Adrian 7-0
MIAC: St Thomas 8-0; Augsburg 7-0 Jan 5th
NEWMAC: WPI 10-0
NECC: Regis 0-8; Southern Vermont 0-10 Jan 10th
NESCAC: Middlebury 8-0
NJAC: Ramapo 8-0
NAC: New England College 0-10
NEAC: SUNYIT 0-5; Lancaster Bible 0-9 Jan 21st
NAthC: Lakeland 7-0
OAC: Muskingum 0-8
ODAC: Randolph 9-0; Virginia Wesleyan 7-0 Jan 12th
SKY: SUNY-Maritime 0-6
SCIAC: Caltech 0-9
SLIAC: Principia 0-7; Blackburn 0-8 Jan 5th
UAA: Rochester 10-0
UMAC: Northland 0-6
USAC: Piedmont 0-6
WIAC: UW-Stevens Point 9-0

Only the Centennial Conference still has an unbeaten and winless team left

And it's Christmas colored too!  How season-appropriate!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 17, 2012, 02:24:32 AM
Updated through 12-16:

Total of 14 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-16

Total of 16  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-16

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-16:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Fabulous Five   All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #7 Franklin & Marshall                 Won vs Haverford 61-59 on 12-8 vs Mt. St. Joseph at Transylvania 12-18                                                                               
2.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Won vs Guilford 63-49 on 12-8 vs Salisbury 12-17                                               
3.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
4.   hope1                          #6 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs Edgewood 63-48 on 12-15 at St. Thomas 12-21                 
5.   Greek  Tragedy             #21 Albertus Magnus                       Won at Norwich 78-61 on 12-8 at D1 Yale 12-18  Oh Oh!!!

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#8 Rochester 
#11 Ramapo
#14 Adrian
#19WPI
Augsburg
Randolph
Lakeland         




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fabulous Five

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  vs Illinois College 1-3-13                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at D'Youville 68-65 on  12-8  vs Ohio Univ. Eastern on 12-17                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Puget Sound 97-70 on 12-16 vs Bard on 12-29   Big game could win this one                                         
5.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Hilbert 71-66 on 12-15 vs Merchant Marine on 12-28 at Daytona Beach                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Washington College
Muskingum
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
SUNYIT                 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2012, 08:20:32 AM
Sac's big winless game is tonight...Mazillgd and Zander both have tough games to lose between Christmas and New Years... Hoops fan and I are sitting pretty til 2013!!!

On the undefeated side, FCGrizzlies, Sager, Hope1, and Greek Tragedy all face tough contests between now and New Years.... only the Magicman can breath easy as his team's matchup with the good guys from RPI should be a 'NC'
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 17, 2012, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2012, 08:20:32 AM
Sac's big winless game is tonight...Mazillgd and Zander both have tough games to lose between Christmas and New Years... Hoops fan and I are sitting pretty til 2013!!!

Ohio Univ. Eastern has employed a stealthy technique of not reporting any game scores since Thanksgiving and cancelling the one game vs a D3 to give me a comparison....(another loveable loser, Muskingum)

Getting scores from that conglomeration of Ohio schools is one of the great challenges out there.  Some just give up reporting scores like OUE, some feel just a W or L will suffice like Ohio-Mansfield http://crc.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/basketball_schedule.html   Half the teams in the conference wear green and white with 'ohio' on the uniform.


This, http://www.mid.muohio.edu/sports/menbasketball_standings.cfm says OUE is 6-1


I ran across this stat from Franciscan yesterday, they are #13 in D3 in blocked shots per game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2012, 01:29:07 PM
If the scores aren't reported, did the game exist?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2012, 01:30:20 PM
I know we have never done a men's AND women's combo winless or undefeated... BUT..

I just noticed one of my SLIAC school's is thus far running the perfect table...Blackburn Men are 0-8, Blackburn Women are 0-8... ::) ::) Principia, my men's team still in the winless contest, isn't far behind, but do not qualify, as their women have hit the win column once, agaist St Louis Pharma....   When BC and Prin play a men's and women's doubleheader on Jan 5, the combined records of the 4 teams could be something like 1-32.   Of course, 2 more
wins will come on to the ledger that night... I think.... :o :o :o

And speaking of lady's winless, how is favorite daughter of this room, Medgar Evers doing..when we last looked, they were 0-9, but had a two game streak of surpassing the 20 point mark on offense. a big plus to the ladies... they extended that streak to 3 games, losing to Hunter 76-20.. unfortunately the streak ended in their last game, a loss to Brooklyn, 77-10.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2012, 01:42:09 PM
Since I'm more intrigued by the winless amongst us (one of my favorite baseball teams to study is the 1899 Cleveland Spiders, so go figure...) I hopped over to Massey to see what the highest win probability game is for our lads:


Principia - 1/5 vs. Blackburn (50%)
Franciscan - 1/26 vs. D'Youville (47%)
SUNY - Maritime - 1/24 @ Polytechnic (17%)
Cal Tech - 12/29 vs. Bard (49%)
Elmira - 1/22 vs. Houghton (80%)
Houghton - 1/2 vs. D'Youville (55%)
Lancaster Bible - 2/2 vs. Suny - Cobleskill (32%)
Regis (Mass.) - 2/2 vs. Southern Vermont (74%)
Southern Vermont - 1/31 vs. Wheelock (57%)
New England College - 1/5 vs. Maine - Maritime (57%)
Washington College - 2/6 vs. Swarthmore (45%)
Muskingum - 1/2 vs. Franciscan (83%)
Blackburn - 1/29 vs. Principia (72%)
Northland - 1/22 vs. Finlandia (70%)
Piedmont - 1/5 vs. Averett (28%)
SUNYIT - 1/22 vs. Lancaster Bible (82%)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2012, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 08, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
Thanks Magic.. I'm falling behind the times...hopefully Pat will hear us and get Houghton on the East Region page

                          PAT  !!!!   ;D

An email would be more effective. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2012, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2012, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 08, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
Thanks Magic.. I'm falling behind the times...hopefully Pat will hear us and get Houghton on the East Region page

                          PAT  !!!!   ;D

An email would be more effective. :)

Didn't want to really bug you.. I thought for sure you'd 'hear' the oversized message ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on December 17, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
2.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan     

Salisbury 76, VW 67
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2012, 09:59:09 PM
No joy in Sagerville.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2012, 10:02:55 PM
No word from Franciscan regarding their tussle with Ohio - Eastern.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2012, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2012, 09:59:09 PM
No joy in Sagerville.....

There rarely is during recent basketball seasons.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2012, 10:37:58 PM
Fresh off the Franciscan site.... Franciscan 77.. Ohio whatever 55!!!! we are down to 4!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2012, 10:38:29 PM
Up comes Franciscan! Up comes Franciscan! They beat OU - Eastern 77-55, so sayeth their web site.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 17, 2012, 11:12:41 PM
Ohio University Eastern 77 Franciscan 55

sorry boys, but me and the Barons are still in this thing
http://www.franciscanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121217_xnxz.xml

Joseph Rine with 18 points, 20 rebounds and 5 blocks for Franciscan

Next games for Franciscan 2-7 Waynesburg Dec 20 and 0-9 Muskingum on Jan 2
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 17, 2012, 11:43:10 PM
Yeah, don't know where hopefan and smeds got their misinformation from but Franciscan went down once again 77-55. I thought that initial score was too good to be true so I went to the D3 scoreboard and the Franciscan website. Both gave me a box score showing Franciscan losing. I figured they might beat this nonD3 school but winning by 22 points was a red flag. I'm surprised that hopefan and smedindy fell for it. ;D  sac lives for another day!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 18, 2012, 12:31:32 AM
Updated through 12-18:

Total of 11 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-18

Total of 16  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-18

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-18:

UNDEFEATED POOL    And Then There Were Three !  All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                 Won vs Mt. St. Joseph at Transylvania 66-63 on 12-18  at Translyvania 12-19                                                                                 
2.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Lost vs Salisbury  12-17 76-67 on 12-17                                               
3.   magicman                    #2 Middlebury                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
4.   hope1                          #5 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs Edgewood 63-48 on 12-15 at St. Thomas 12-21                 
5.   Greek  Tragedy             #20 Albertus Magnus                       Lost at D1 Yale 112-63 on 12-18     This game was a tragedy

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#3 North Central (Ill.)
#4 St. Thomas
#7 Rochester 
#10 Ramapo
#12 Adrian
#18 WPI
Augsburg
Randolph
Lakeland Lost at Lawrence 80-73 on 12-18         




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fabulous Five

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  vs Illinois College 1-3-13                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost vs Ohio Univ. Eastern 77-55 on 12-17  at Waynesburg 12-20                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Puget Sound 97-70 on 12-16 vs Bard on 12-29   Big game could win this one                                         
5.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Hilbert 71-66 on 12-15 vs Merchant Marine on 12-28 at Daytona Beach                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Washington College
Muskingum
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
SUNYIT               
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2012, 07:38:35 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 17, 2012, 11:43:10 PM
Yeah, don't know where hopefan and smeds got their misinformation from but Franciscan went down once again 77-55.

I'd have put it to old man senility, but thank goodness Smed saw it that way too.... ;D ;D


Clearly a case of Sac pulling out the hidden immunity idol..... ;)  " You have the ability to reverse once announced score"  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2012, 07:58:38 AM
It was on the Franciscan web site and their D3 page, at least around 10. No box score, just a score was reported (as I think we both said).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 19, 2012, 01:33:19 AM
Pool games on Tuesday night.

Albertus Magnus lost at D1 Yale  112-63 and the Undefeated Pool is down to 3 players. Greek Tragedy's run comes to an end.

Franklin & Marshall defeats Mount St. Joseph 66-63 at Transy's tournament. The Diplomats will now face Translyvania on Wednesday at 5:00 PM. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2012, 05:11:55 AM
F&M still surviving... this Transy game worries me though. And then UWSP has a tough game of it's own at St Thomas on Friday. Get off your butts and play a game Middlebury :P

I had a look back to see where in the order the remaining teams were picked... F&M went 1st, Middlebury 10th, and UWSP 19th out of 21. In the winless pool Principia 2nd, Franciscan 3rd, SUNY-Maritime 6th, Caltech 7th, and Elmira 13th out of 18
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2012, 08:05:50 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2012, 05:11:55 AM
F&M still surviving... this Transy game worries me though. And then UWSP has a tough game of it's own at St Thomas on Friday. Get off your butts and play a game Middlebury :P

I had a look back to see where in the order the remaining teams were picked... F&M went 1st, Middlebury 10th, and UWSP 19th out of 21. In the winless pool Principia 2nd, Franciscan 3rd, SUNY-Maritime 6th, Caltech 7th, and Elmira 13th out of 18

I hate to say it, but FCGriz's thought brings up an interesting concept for next year... enlist in the contest by such and such a date, then be assigned a draft order based on this year's finish.. draft would be held right before season's openers, times would be assigned for each draft participant to get his pick in etc...  in reality, the way we do it now isn't quite fair if you didn't happen to be on the site on the right day....it would make thing's tougher on this year's winners..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2012, 09:41:12 AM
That may be it. A lot of us scrambled to get picks in because it was 'open' all of a sudden.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2012, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 19, 2012, 01:33:19 AM
Pool games on Tuesday night.

Albertus Magnus lost at D1 Yale  112-63 and the Undefeated Pool is down to 3 players. Greek Tragedy's run comes to an end.

Franklin & Marshall defeats Mount St. Joseph 66-63 at Transy's tournament. The Diplomats will now face Translyvania on Wednesday at 5:00 PM.

That may be a tough one for the Diplomats. Wooster definitely had issues at Transy. I still don't get how Transylvania lost to Manchester at home...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 19, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2012, 08:05:50 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2012, 05:11:55 AM
F&M still surviving... this Transy game worries me though. And then UWSP has a tough game of it's own at St Thomas on Friday. Get off your butts and play a game Middlebury :P

I had a look back to see where in the order the remaining teams were picked... F&M went 1st, Middlebury 10th, and UWSP 19th out of 21. In the winless pool Principia 2nd, Franciscan 3rd, SUNY-Maritime 6th, Caltech 7th, and Elmira 13th out of 18

I hate to say it, but FCGriz's thought brings up an interesting concept for next year... enlist in the contest by such and such a date, then be assigned a draft order based on this year's finish.. draft would be held right before season's openers, times would be assigned for each draft participant to get his pick in etc...  in reality, the way we do it now isn't quite fair if you didn't happen to be on the site on the right day....it would make thing's tougher on this year's winners..

I came up with an idea that I thought I would post next year, but seeing as how you guys started a discussion about a draft order, I'll throw it out here now.

Rather than have a haphazard start to picking our teams, which is what has happened the last few years, I propose that no one can choose a team before a certain date. Since practice starts on October 15th for most schools and the first real games don't occur before November 15th, lets, for the sake of argument, choose a start date of November 5th. By waiting until November 5th, most (not all, but most) schools will have posted their rosters and schedules. That will still give us 10 days before the season starts and plenty of time for any poster to join the contest. This would eliminate someone deciding on Oct 3rd that he wants a certain team and he's claiming it on that date which would then start a mad stampede to grab a team. I would propose that no one can draft a team before 6 PM on November 5th. This would give everyone the same chance to choose whatever team we all think will be the preseason #1. First guy to post that choice after 6 PM would get that team. 10 seconds before 6 PM would make the pick invalid. At least this way everyone would know when the contest will start. We'll all have the benefit of rosters and schedules to look at and make a more well informed decision.  I don't like the draft idea only because it could pose problems if several people involved in the draft don't show up on time. Sometimes you're hanging around for way too long waiting your turn. By doing it the way I propose it's first come, first served, but at least everyone knows the starting time and can act accordingly. Several postings on the board, in advance of the start up date, would give all players a heads up. Just my thoughts on a way to make it a little fairer for all.     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2012, 01:55:21 PM
Well it certainly will be a mad dash at the appointed minute!!!! ;D ;D

In the draft proposal, I was thinking everyone would have an assigned time..

ie
Smed picks first between 6:00 and 6:10.. if he or a rep doesn't pick then, he flops to the bottom

Sager has 6:10 to 6:20
Magic 6:20 to 6:30 and so on...

it would be complicated, but might be fun..

But your idea is certainly fairer than the unannounced start.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 19, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
I like hopefan's idea more.  Knowing my luck I'd submit my post at 5:59:59 which would make it invalid and wouldn't know it until I logged back on and my team would already be chosen.

Then in the scramble to pick a new team, all my other choices would be selected as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2012, 04:02:11 PM

It should also be mentioned that the "only one person per team" rule was never really a rule.  It was sort of strong-armed in the last year or two when the numbers of people involved increased.  It seems like the first time we did it there were only seven or eight of us and probably only five total teams chosen.  This idea began as a simple guessing game - "who will be the last team to lose."

Honestly, I feel pretty responsible for changing the culture; I just hate to share credit.

We could go back to the way it was before and just let people pick, even if someone else already has the team you choose.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2012, 04:13:36 PM
But Hoops... we'd miss the thrill of the quest for the cup!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 19, 2012, 05:12:21 PM
I don't think we've ever had an issue of picking a team that was already taken.  It's not like it was 'illegal" to do so, but what fun is it to pick a team that's already taken!

You guys obviously take this a little more seriously than I do! LOL.  I didn't put much thought into it, honestly, as shown by a team I picked playing a D1 team before Christmas.  Oh well.  I have no problem on a draft order or just a free-for-all.  It gets a little complicated if I don't make a pick in 10 minutes and then get shipped to the bottom. 

We can see how dedicated everyone is by "opening up the pool" at some odd time like 2:18 am on Nov. 18 and see how many people post.  I'd find that amusing.

I will have to say Oct. 19th was pretty early.  I didn't get mine in (or basically look at this page) until Oct 29th and 20 posters later! LOL
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2012, 05:50:21 PM

I'll just let you know right now, I'll choose who I want no matter what.  So there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 19, 2012, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 19, 2012, 05:50:21 PM

I'll just let you know right now, I'll choose who I want no matter what.  So there.

;)

I was thinking of making my pick already! So there!  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2012, 06:22:43 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 19, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2012, 08:05:50 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2012, 05:11:55 AM
F&M still surviving... this Transy game worries me though. And then UWSP has a tough game of it's own at St Thomas on Friday. Get off your butts and play a game Middlebury :P

I had a look back to see where in the order the remaining teams were picked... F&M went 1st, Middlebury 10th, and UWSP 19th out of 21. In the winless pool Principia 2nd, Franciscan 3rd, SUNY-Maritime 6th, Caltech 7th, and Elmira 13th out of 18

I hate to say it, but FCGriz's thought brings up an interesting concept for next year... enlist in the contest by such and such a date, then be assigned a draft order based on this year's finish.. draft would be held right before season's openers, times would be assigned for each draft participant to get his pick in etc...  in reality, the way we do it now isn't quite fair if you didn't happen to be on the site on the right day....it would make thing's tougher on this year's winners..

I came up with an idea that I thought I would post next year, but seeing as how you guys started a discussion about a draft order, I'll throw it out here now.

Rather than have a haphazard start to picking our teams, which is what has happened the last few years, I propose that no one can choose a team before a certain date. Since practice starts on October 15th for most schools and the first real games don't occur before November 15th, lets, for the sake of argument, choose a start date of November 5th. By waiting until November 5th, most (not all, but most) schools will have posted their rosters and schedules. That will still give us 10 days before the season starts and plenty of time for any poster to join the contest. This would eliminate someone deciding on Oct 3rd that he wants a certain team and he's claiming it on that date which would then start a mad stampede to grab a team. I would propose that no one can draft a team before 6 PM on November 5th. This would give everyone the same chance to choose whatever team we all think will be the preseason #1. First guy to post that choice after 6 PM would get that team. 10 seconds before 6 PM would make the pick invalid. At least this way everyone would know when the contest will start. We'll all have the benefit of rosters and schedules to look at and make a more well informed decision.  I don't like the draft idea only because it could pose problems if several people involved in the draft don't show up on time. Sometimes you're hanging around for way too long waiting your turn. By doing it the way I propose it's first come, first served, but at least everyone knows the starting time and can act accordingly. Several postings on the board, in advance of the start up date, would give all players a heads up. Just my thoughts on a way to make it a little fairer for all.   

I love this idea. It's like the d3boards.com version of the Oklahoma Land Run of 1893. Last one to get his Conestoga wagon over the state line is a rotten egg!

The problem with a draft is that it shoehorns everybody's schedule into a fixed time, regardless of what is happening in our real lives. (And, yes, I realize that I'm being generous when I imply that the people who frequent this room have real lives. ;))

I'm even up for Tom's idea of setting the start time for our Oklahoma Land Run at 2:18 am, or some other kooky hour. Then we'll see who the real freaks are!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2012, 06:41:53 PM
Or you could be smart and let the riff raff have the usual suspects and show off your expertise with a smart yet esoteric pick!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2012, 08:14:41 PM
Transylvania knocked off Franklin & Marshall 86-73... F&M shot 63% (27 of 43) while Transy shot 59% (30 of 51).

I say we eliminate Middlebury due to inactivity ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 19, 2012, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2012, 08:14:41 PM
Transylvania knocked off Franklin & Marshall 86-73... F&M shot 63% (27 of 43) while Transy shot 59% (30 of 51).

I say we eliminate Middlebury due to inactivity ;)

C'mon Grizz, part of choosing wisely is knowing that your team gets a nice long break. ;D 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 20, 2012, 12:54:10 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2012, 06:22:43 PM
I love this idea. It's like the d3boards.com version of the Oklahoma Land Run of 1893. Last one to get his Conestoga wagon over the state line is a rotten egg!

And that's exactly what I was thinking when I was posting my suggestion. Tom's idea of a 2:18 AM starting time is frostng on the cake. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 20, 2012, 04:25:53 AM
Updated through 12-19:

Total of 10 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-19

Total of 16  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-19

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-19:

UNDEFEATED POOL

Five players started the week but losses on 3 consecutive days have left us with our final pairing as hope1 squares off against magicman for the title. Ironically, both remaining players are rather fortunate to be where they are. hope1's initial selection was Hope but Ralph had already taken them. He then took Stevens Point and stayed with the Pointers despite an offer from Ralph to let him have Hope. Good move. 8-)  The magicman wanted Middlebury, since he won with the Panthers last year, but 5 minutes before he went to post his choice Ronk took Middlebury right out from under him. magicman then chose Amherst, grumbling that Ronk got his team, and when hopefan interceded, Ronk offered to switch picks, which magicman jumped all over. ;D So hope1 has a silent partner in Ralph and magicman will share bragging rights with Ronk should he repeat. This contest could reach a conclusion on Friday night as the 5th ranked Pointers travel to #4 St. Thomas for an 8:30 PM match up. These teams have played 5 times in the past 4 years with the Tommies holding a 3-2 edge. Interesting to note is that neither team has won on the road in that stretch. The extra meeting occured in the 2010-11 season in the NCAA tournament Elite Eight at Augustana when the Tommies prevailed 66-64. I'm hoping that home court advantage holds true for at least one more meeting. ;)     


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                 Lost at Translyvania 86-73 on 12-19                                                                                 
2.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Lost vs Salisbury  12-17 76-67 on 12-17                                               
3.   magicman                    #2 Middlebury                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
4.   hope1                          #5 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs Edgewood 63-48 on 12-15 at St. Thomas 12-21                 
5.   Greek  Tragedy             #20 Albertus Magnus                       Lost at D1 Yale 112-63 on 12-18     This game was a tragedy

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#3 North Central (Ill.)
#4 St. Thomas
#7 Rochester 
#10 Ramapo
#12 Adrian
#18 WPI
Augsburg
Randolph
Lakeland Lost at Lawrence 80-73 on 12-18         




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fabulous Five

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  vs Illinois College 1-3-13                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost vs Ohio Univ. Eastern 77-55 on 12-17  at Waynesburg 12-20                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Puget Sound 97-70 on 12-16 vs Bard on 12-29   Big game could win this one                                         
5.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Hilbert 71-66 on 12-15 vs Merchant Marine on 12-28 at Daytona Beach                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Washington College
Muskingum
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
SUNYIT             
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on December 20, 2012, 02:10:13 PM
I love this room by the way.

It's one of the few I check every day at this point in the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2012, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 20, 2012, 02:10:13 PM
I love this room by the way.

It's one of the few I check every day at this point in the season.

It's a lot of fun.. I often wonder if players are aware of it... I would think it would fire up guys on the winless list to a huge extent.... We usually try to make a big deal of that first win, especially as the numbers on the list decrease.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2012, 05:49:54 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 20, 2012, 12:54:10 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2012, 06:22:43 PM
I love this idea. It's like the d3boards.com version of the Oklahoma Land Run of 1893. Last one to get his Conestoga wagon over the state line is a rotten egg!

And that's exactly what I was thinking when I was posting my suggestion. Tom's idea of a 2:18 AM starting time is frostng on the cake. ;D

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fevents.oucpm.org%2Faacpmconference%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F04%2FImg0552-Oklahoma-Land-Run.jpg&hash=47edaee3efeb33d762e4899e1a234fb1ad443cda)

Try to imagine this at 2:18 in the morning!

Quote from: magicman on December 20, 2012, 04:25:53 AMThis contest could reach a conclusion on Friday night as the 5th ranked Pointers travel to #4 St. Thomas for an 8:30 PM match up.

Your odds of retaining your title as Undefeated Pool champion are even better than you're probably aware, O mighty prestidigitator. UWSP's star Tyler Tillema (18.5 ppg) missed UWSP's last game due to an injury, and his status for tomorrow night is questionable.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 20, 2012, 09:19:33 PM
FWIW... Stevens Point was only beating Whitewater by 3 with Tyler Tillema. Without him, SP won the second half by 8 points... and the game by 11.  So... SP - TT + 3 = SP + 8?

Honestly, I wasn't surprised that Tyler Tillema didn't play against Edgewood. He was hurt enough not to return in the second half of the Whitewater game. An additional week off of the ankle seems like it would make sense, especially because SP was playing then 2-7 Edgewood.  I guess we'll see how really bad the injury is... if Ty is dressed tomorrow.


With one exception, these UST vs. UWSP games have been absolute battles.

3/7/09 NCAA Tournament Round 2 BOX (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/ncaa02.htm) #4 UWSP @ #1 St Thomas    UST wins 53-50. This was a 1 point game with 0:21. Neither team led by more than 6.  UST lost to Wash U in the Elite 8, who would go on to win the National Title.

12/29/09 Regular season BOX (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/custompages/mbball/2009-10/uwsp11.htm)  #2 UST @ #4 UWSP   UWSP wins 78-56  UWSP led by 6 at the half and by as many as 28 in the second before settling to the final margin.  UWSP won the National Title. UST lost in the first round.

12/22/10 Regular Season BOX (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/12/22/MBB_1222102956.aspx?path=mbball)   #4 UWSP @ #9 UST   UST wins 61-54   Point led by 5 at the half and by as many as 12 in the second half, but UST outscored UWSP 31-17 over the final 13 minutes of the game. UST won the National Title.  SP lost in the sweet 16 (see below).

3/11/11 NCAA tournament Sweet 16 BOX (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/custompages/mbball/2010-11/11ncaas1.htm)  #9 UST vs #3 UWSP at Augustana    UST wins 66-64    UST led by as many as 10 in the first half and 5 at half time. They led by 11 with 7:03 but UWSP fought back and tied it with :17. UST scores with :04 for the victory.   UST won the National Title.

12/22/11 Regular Season BOX (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/boxscore.aspx?id=3468&path=mbball)   #13 UST @ #18 UWSP    UWSP won 72-66   UWSP led by 10 in the first half but only 2 at the half. Point extended to a 15 point lead early in the second half, but UST fought back and cut it to 2 with :39 left (could have been 1... UST missed a FT). Point then sealed it from the line.  Point lost in the first round, UST lost in round 2 to Whitewater, who went on to win the National Title.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 21, 2012, 06:03:04 AM
Only 1 game in Pool play Thursday night.

Franciscan lost at Waynesburg 95-44 to remain winless.

The Barons next game is against winless (for the time being) Muskingum. The Muskies play at John Carroll on 12-26 and at Waynesburg on 12-29. Unless they win one of those games it could be the 0-11 Muskies at the 0-10 Barons on 1-2-13
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2012, 10:10:13 PM
UST knocks off UWSP, 68-63.

Congratulations to magicman, the undefeated pool winner!  (Nice strategy - pick a team that hasn't played since, what, August? 8-) ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 21, 2012, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2012, 10:10:13 PM
UST knocks off UWSP, 68-63.

Congratulations to magicman, the undefeated pool winner!  (Nice strategy - pick a team that hasn't played since, what, August? 8-) ;D)

In reference to that backhanded compliment, :o may I remind you of this strategy that you put forth not to long ago. ???



Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
Aha - my strategy for next season!  Find a team that due to some (not yet known) scandal will cancel their season! ;D  A record of 0-0 is still winless, right! ;)  Then I'll pick the same team for undefeated!  What a coup - one team, both titles! 8-)


I have nothing more to say about my team's 22 days of inactivity. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 21, 2012, 11:04:35 PM
Nice win, magic ... and nice jiu-jitsu on the Ypsilator in that last post of yours. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 21, 2012, 11:12:41 PM
So now the focus is on the undefeated with no gnashing of teeth about the contest. Still, the winless...alas.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
how about a contest picking the order that the remaining 9 undefeateds drop off...  if it appeals, Magic, I'll leave it to you to set it up...  it will take a little study time....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2012, 11:18:04 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 21, 2012, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2012, 10:10:13 PM
UST knocks off UWSP, 68-63.

Congratulations to magicman, the undefeated pool winner!  (Nice strategy - pick a team that hasn't played since, what, August? 8-) ;D)

In reference to that backhanded compliment, :o may I remind you of this strategy that you put forth not to long ago. ???



Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
Aha - my strategy for next season!  Find a team that due to some (not yet known) scandal will cancel their season! ;D  A record of 0-0 is still winless, right! ;)  Then I'll pick the same team for undefeated!  What a coup - one team, both titles! 8-)


I have nothing more to say about my team's 22 days of inactivity. ;D

magicman, I assure you that my comment was pure jealousy - because I didn't think of that strategy until for NEXT season!  Middlebury HAS won eight games, and despite such opponents as Green Mountain, Southern Vermont, and Johnson State, not ALL of them were against schools for the blind and schools for the lame. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 21, 2012, 11:27:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 21, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
how about a contest picking the order that the remaining 9 undefeateds drop off...  if it appeals, Magic, I'll leave it to you to set it up...  it will take a little study time....

I'm gonna pass on that one hopefan. I've got enough study time with my SUNYAC conference and the Pick Em League. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 22, 2012, 04:02:52 AM
Updated through 12-21:

Total of 9 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-21

Total of 16  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-21

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-21:

UNDEFEATED POOL
                                                   
1.   magicman                    MIDDLEBURY PANTHERS crowned champs once again                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
2.   hope1                          #5 UW-Stevens-Point                      Lost at St. Thomas 68-63 on 12-21 

Sorry hope1, you fought the good fight, but my Middlebury Panthers have been working hard the past 2 weeks getting ready for their stretch run to win back to back UNDEFEATED POOL titles. Now they learn there is no stretch run. As they call in the horseracing world, it's a walkover. When I spoke to Panthers Coach, Jeff Brown back on Nov. 25th, he assured me the team would do all they could to help me climb back to the top. Turns out being idle for 2 weeks was just what the Coach ordered. Of course none of this would be possible, the prizes, the ticker tape parades, obligatory trips to all the talk shows, and visit to the White House, without my top assistants,  ronk and hopefan.                 

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#3 North Central (Ill.)
#4 St. Thomas
#7 Rochester 
#10 Ramapo
#12 Adrian
#18 WPI
Augsburg
Randolph
         




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fabulous Five

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  vs Illinois College 1-3-13                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at Waynesburg 95-44 on 12-20 vs Muskingum 1-2-13                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Puget Sound 97-70 on 12-16 vs Bard on 12-29   Big game could win this one                                         
5.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Hilbert 71-66 on 12-15 vs Union on 12-29 at Orlando Florida                                                 


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Washington College
Muskingum
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
SUNYIT         
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 22, 2012, 03:02:52 PM

I don't think you actually win unless they are really the last undefeated team - just because no one picked the others doesn't mean they still can't last longer than Middlebury.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on December 22, 2012, 05:13:02 PM
Being my first time through this, I was actually wondering whether it was by calendar or by record.  Midd is 8-0 and UWSP got to 9-0 before their first loss, if Midd were to lose their next game magicman still gets the victory even though UWSP had more wins before their first loss?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 22, 2012, 05:23:40 PM

It is by calendar year.  We're trying to pick the team that will be last to lose.

Sometimes we win, other times no one picks the winning team.

We'll see how this year pans out.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2012, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 22, 2012, 05:23:40 PM

It is by calendar year.  We're trying to pick the team that will be last to lose.

Sometimes we win, other times no one picks the winning team.

We'll see how this year pans out.

Magic has beaten all entries in the contest.. he has won the contest.... the name of the contest dictates calender.. it's the survivor pool.. who survives the longest
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 22, 2012, 07:21:40 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 22, 2012, 03:02:52 PM

I don't think you actually win unless they are really the last undefeated team - just because no one picked the others doesn't mean they still can't last longer than Middlebury.

I'm not letting you rain on my parade. :P  We started with 21 players. Everyone else's team has lost. My team hasn't. I won the contest, end of story. ;D

If Middlebury should lose and one of the unclaimed teams is still undefeated, that won't alter the fact that I won OUR contest. I mean that's what our contest was all about. Choose a team, be the last man standing. It just so happened last year that when I won with Middlebury, the undefeated teams still in the running at the end were also claimed by other players. Middlebury not only won OUR contest, The Undefeated Pool, but also the survivor pool. This year that remains to be seen if they'll win both. 

Thanks to hopefan who posted while I was typing my reply and backed me up on this. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 22, 2012, 07:38:12 PM

You lasted longer than everyone else, I'll give you that.  We'll see about the rest come March (or come NESCAC play).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 22, 2012, 08:54:05 PM
It is the survivor pool - he wins. It doesn't matter if Middlebury loses every other game this season. Kudos!

Now, we wait to see about the rest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 22, 2012, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 22, 2012, 05:13:02 PM
Being my first time through this, I was actually wondering whether it was by calendar or by record.  Midd is 8-0 and UWSP got to 9-0 before their first loss, if Midd were to lose their next game magicman still gets the victory even though UWSP had more wins before their first loss?

Ah, see, convince a team not to play anyone but jakes and frauds (or the dregs of the weak sister conferences) until January and then pick them. (Or, as we call it, the Syracuse schedule (of course they lost to Temple today (HA! HA!))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 22, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
A couple days ago Franciscan survived a scare by Waynesburg and hung on to lose 95-44 and could only field a team of 7 players.


Franciscan is off until Jan 2. when they play 0-10 Muskingum.  The Muskies travel to Waynesburg just 3 days earlier for a nice comparison.  Vegas waits in anticipation.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
Principia and Franciscan both have 35 game losing steaks at the moment.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 23, 2012, 12:24:45 AM
I created this pool.  The Commish says Magicman wins.   >:(  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2012, 03:50:20 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2005, 02:35:48 AM
Thought I'd start an official survivor pool this year.  I remember someone having a pseudo pool last year that also involved who would be the last team to win a game, let alone lose a game.

I believe I could Identify 'someone' above, who has also registered the same opinion ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 23, 2012, 08:36:35 AM
As stated, that was a pseudo pool. This is the real thing!  ;D  :P  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2012, 09:49:24 AM
The Cooper and Doubleday..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 23, 2012, 07:18:22 PM
  Ran into a guy wearing a Bard(my choice in the winless pool) basketball t-shirt today at my health club; told him they were my choice in a d3hoops pool(didn't mention it was the winless pool) but I was eliminated when they beat Albany Pharmacy in their 1st game; he took it good-naturedly; said their record was 2-3 and have been held back by injuries to some starters.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2012, 10:31:57 AM
big game in the winless pool with Bard taking on Caltech on Saturday... Caltech's best shot this season at coming off winless list... Mazillgd will be glued to the scoreboard!!!!  I'd feel very good regarding Caltech's chances for a win, except for Bard's close loss earlier this year to Sage.. Sage .. Sage has a couple of wins this year and is probably a middle of the pack team in the SKY conf....

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on December 28, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
As fate would have it I will be at Pasadena Poly high school again today watching Williams practice before the CLU tournament this weekend.  PP is next door to Caltech.  I may have to stop by and deliver a demotivating speech to the team. 

"Gentlemen, why are we here wasting a totally good holiday.  It's 64 degrees outside and we are in a gym, let's all head outside for some team building today.  How about we hike from here to the Griffith Observatory.  Stretch our legs with a nice 15 mile hike will do us well for the game tomorrow."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2012, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 28, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
As fate would have it I will be at Pasadena Poly high school again today watching Williams practice before the CLU tournament this weekend.  PP is next door to Caltech.  I may have to stop by and deliver a demotivating speech to the team. 

"Gentlemen, why are we here wasting a totally good holiday.  It's 64 degrees outside and we are in a gym, let's all head outside for some team building today.  How about we hike from here to the Griffith Observatory.  Stretch our legs with a nice 15 mile hike will do us well for the game tomorrow."

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on December 28, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
In a missed opportunity, Piedmont canceling the rest of their season which will guarantee a winless finish.  Story on d3hoops. Could have been the first winless winner in December I'm guessing.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 28, 2012, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 28, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
In a missed opportunity, Piedmont canceling the rest of their season which will guarantee a winless finish.  Story on d3hoops. Could have been the first winless winner in December I'm guessing.


This is very close to what Mr. Ypsi wanted. ;D    He had what he was looking for right in front of him and chose Martin luther instead.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
Aha - my strategy for next season!  Find a team that due to some (not yet known) scandal will cancel their season! ;D  A record of 0-0 is still winless, right! ;)  Then I'll pick the same team for undefeated!  What a coup - one team, both titles! 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 28, 2012, 11:37:30 PM
Seriously, I hope all is well at Piedmont. Had to be something serious for them to cancel the season. I know Macalester's women's team did a few years ago because of numbers and injuries.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 29, 2012, 05:45:13 AM
Updated through 12-28:

Total of 8 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-28

Total of 16  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-28

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-28:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated pool 
                                                   
1.   magicman                 #2 Middlebury    Next vs RPI on 12-30                         
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#3 North Central (Ill.)    Won vs Ramapo 67-57 in Las Vegas    Next vs UW-Lacrosse on 12-29 in Las Vegas
#4 St. Thomas             Next vs Carleton on 1-2
#7 Rochester               Next vs RIT on 1-2
#10 Ramapo                 Lost vs North Central 67-57 in Las Vegas
#12 Adrian                   Next vs Mount Union on 12-29 at Defiance               
#18 WPI                      Next vs Colby-Sawyer on 12-30
Augsburg                     Next vs North Central (Minn.) on 1-4
Randolph                     Next vs Johns Hopkins on 12-29 at Hampden-Sydney, Va.
         




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fabulous Five

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  Next vs Illinois College on 1-3-13                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at Waynesburg 95-44 on 12-20 vs Muskingum on 1-2-13                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman on  1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Puget Sound 97-70 on 12-16 vs Bard on 12-29   Big game, the Beavers could win this one                                         
5.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Hilbert 71-66 on 12-15 vs Union on 12-29 at Daytona Beach, Florida                                                 

Note: Elmira was originally scheduled to play Merchant Marine on Friday 12-28. That game was postponed until Sunday 12-30


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton                               Lost vs Bridgewater (Va.) at Christopher Newport.  Next vs Heidelberg on 12-29 at C. Newport
Lancaster Bible                        Next vs Messiah on 1-2
Regis (Mass.)                          Next vs FDU-Florham on 12-29 at Trinity (Ct.)
Southern Vermont                    Next at Daniel Webster on 1-8.
New England College                 Next vs Husson on 1-4
Washington College                  Next at Randolph-Macon on 12-29                   
Muskingum                              Next at Waynesburg on 12-29
Blackburn                                Next vs Monmouth on 1-2
Northland                                Next at  Cal Lutheran on 12-29
Piedmont                                 Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                                   
SUNYIT                                   Next vs Methodist on 12-29 at Staten Island       
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 29, 2012, 12:15:16 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 28, 2012, 11:37:30 PM
Seriously, I hope all is well at Piedmont. Had to be something serious for them to cancel the season. I know Macalester's women's team did a few years ago because of numbers and injuries.

Piedmont had only 7 players on the roster, their press release mentions suspensions and dismissals (plural) and a possible season ending injury.  Though I don't know if those suspensions or dismissals are new or something they've been dealing with.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&

press release
http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2012/12/28/MBB_1228121940.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2012, 03:47:54 PM
Went to the CMS website looking for a score for the pickems contest, and found this quite amusing: a story about CMS's win over Caltech is headlined 'CMS wins over a strong Caltech squad'! ::)  Shhh - don't tell Madzillagd how strong Caltech is!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 29, 2012, 09:48:32 PM
I know Cairn's not on the list after beating PSU - Abington, but they got destroyed by Lycoming today 105-27. Charles Hopkins shot 1-15 from the field and had 10 turnovers. Ouch. They had more TO's (28) than points (27).

PSU - Abington then could be a win contender for a couple of our winless squads.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 29, 2012, 09:48:32 PM
I know Cairn's not on the list after beating PSU - Abington, but they got destroyed by Lycoming today 105-27. Charles Hopkins shot 1-15 from the field and had 10 turnovers. Ouch. They had more TO's (28) than points (27).

PSU - Abington then could be a win contender for a couple of our winless squads.

I'm failing to find who PSU-A plays among the winless contenders?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 29, 2012, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 29, 2012, 09:48:32 PM
I know Cairn's not on the list after beating PSU - Abington, but they got destroyed by Lycoming today 105-27. Charles Hopkins shot 1-15 from the field and had 10 turnovers. Ouch. They had more TO's (28) than points (27).

PSU - Abington then could be a win contender for a couple of our winless squads.

I'm failing to find who PSU-A plays among the winless contenders?
I see SUNYIT on Jan 13 and two against Lancaster Bible 1/23 and 2/13
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2012, 10:45:13 PM
Bard up one on Caltech  at half..... the video stream is working and they have a chat system attached to it, but no one seems to respond to my comments....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 29, 2012, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 29, 2012, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 29, 2012, 09:48:32 PM
I know Cairn's not on the list after beating PSU - Abington, but they got destroyed by Lycoming today 105-27. Charles Hopkins shot 1-15 from the field and had 10 turnovers. Ouch. They had more TO's (28) than points (27).

PSU - Abington then could be a win contender for a couple of our winless squads.

I'm failing to find who PSU-A plays among the winless contenders?
I see SUNYIT on Jan 13 and two against Lancaster Bible 1/23 and 2/13

Not in the pool, but in the holistic winless as a whole, which I find important and fascinating.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2012, 11:21:51 PM
Caltech up one on Bard with 10 minutes left...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2012, 11:42:36 PM
Caltech up 1 35 seconds, Bard Ball...  Bard miss Caltech miss FT... now Bard Ball under, 6 seconds.. Caltech intercepts in bounds and WINS!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
Caltech wins it, 60-59!  Bard led by 6 twice early in the game; otherwise neither team EVER led by more than 4.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2012, 11:50:10 PM
Hopefan:

Check your PMs on an unrelated note.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2012, 02:44:38 AM
In Pool action on Saturday evening:

Elmira stays defeated as they lose to Union 56-49 in Daytona Beach. Elmira will try again tomorrow as they take on Merchant Marine also in Daytona beach.


Caltech takes advantage of the Bard men as they steal the ball with 5 seconds left and it seals the win for the Beavers 60-59. I warned mazillagd that Caltech could win this one. Winless Pool now down to 4 players.

In other Undefeated action:

North Central stays undefeated as they get by UW-La Crosse 80-72 at the D3hoops Classic in Las Vegas.

Adrian won vs Mount Union 73-63 at Defiance.

Randolph won vs Johns Hopkins 70-48 at Hampden-Sydney

In other Winless action:

Houghton Lost vs Heidelberg 87-58  at C. Newport

Regis (Mass.) Lost vs FDU-Florham 59-51 at Trinity (Ct.).

Washington College  Lost at Randolph-Macon 76-55

Northland Lost at  Cal Lutheran 75-59

SUNYIT Lost on 12-29 at Staten Island 


   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2012, 02:46:04 AM
Updated through 1-1-13:

Total of 8 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-1-13

Total of 14  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-1-13

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-1-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1.   magicman                 #2 Middlebury    Won vs RPI 105-86 on 12-30  Next at Bates 1-4                         
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#3 North Central (Ill.)     Won vs UW-La Crosse 80-72 on 12-29 in Las Vegas Next on 1-2 at Elmhurst
#4 St. Thomas             Next vs Carleton on 1-2
#7 Rochester               Next vs RIT on 1-2
#12 Adrian                   Won at Defiance 70-69 on 12-30.   Next on 1-3 at Calvin               
#18 WPI                      Won vs Colby-Sawyer 66-44 on 12-30. Next at St. Joseph's (Maine) on 1-2
Augsburg                     Next vs North Central (Minn.) on 1-4
Randolph                     Won vs Huntingdon 75-73 in OT on 12-30 at Hampden-Sydney. Next vs Randolph-Macon on 1-5
         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fantastic Four

                                   
1.   hopefan                 Principia                                        Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  Next vs Illinois College on 1-3                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Next vs Muskingum on 1-2 for The Battle of Ohio. The 2 teams are a combined 0-21                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 Next at Lehman on  1-3                                                         
4.   madzillagd                    Caltech                                  Won vs Bard on 12-29 60-59                                         
5.   zander                         Elmira                                    Lost vs Merchant Marine 68-60 on 12-30. Next vs Oberlin on 1-3                                                     


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton                               Lost vs Heidelberg 87-58 on 12-29 at C. Newport. Next at D'Youville 1-2
Lancaster Bible                        Next vs Messiah on 1-2
Regis (Mass.)                           Lost at Trinity(Ct.) 70-47 on 12-30. Next at Mass-Dartmouth on 1-2
Southern Vermont                    Next at Daniel Webster on 1-8.
New England College                 Next vs Husson on 1-4
Washington College                  Lost vs Frostburg State 74-73 on 12-30 at Randy-Mac. Next at Catholic on 1-2                   
Muskingum                              Lost at Waynesburg 80-63. Next at Franciscan 1-2 for The Battle of Ohio as these 2 winless teams duke it out for bragging rights.   
Blackburn                                Next vs Monmouth on 1-2
Northland                                Lost vs Luther 93-42 on 12-30 at Cal Lutheran. Next vs St. Scholastica on 1-8
Piedmont                                 Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                                   
SUNYIT                                   Won vs Mass. Coll of Lib. Arts 81-77 on 12-30 at Staten Island  Way to go Wildcats.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on December 30, 2012, 03:23:37 AM
My Williams win in a tough game tonight against Luther was a nice way to soften the blow of a Caltech win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 30, 2012, 07:27:50 PM
Today's action:

Undefeated Action

#2 Middlebury won vs RPI 105-86

#12 Adrian Won at Defiance 70-69

#18 WPI  Won vs Colby-Sawyer 66-44

Randolph   Won vs Huntingdon 75-73 in OT


Winless Action

Elmira  Lost vs Merchant Marine 68-60      zander stays alive in the Winless Pool

Regis (Mass.)  Lost at Trinity(Ct.) 70-47

Washington College   Lost vs Frostburg State 74-73   Close but no cigar for the Shoremen.

SUNYIT  Won vs Mass. Coll of Lib. Arts 81-77 on 12-30 at Staten Island . The Wildcats drop off the Winless list

Northland  Lost vs Luther 93-42       



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 30, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 28, 2012, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 28, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
In a missed opportunity, Piedmont canceling the rest of their season which will guarantee a winless finish.  Story on d3hoops. Could have been the first winless winner in December I'm guessing.


This is very close to what Mr. Ypsi wanted. ;D    He had what he was looking for right in front of him and chose Martin luther instead.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
Aha - my strategy for next season!  Find a team that due to some (not yet known) scandal will cancel their season! ;D  A record of 0-0 is still winless, right! ;)  Then I'll pick the same team for undefeated!  What a coup - one team, both titles! 8-)

Yep - if I coulda foreseen that, I had a sure winless winner!  Of course, I'm greedy - I want a winless AND undefeated winner all in one!  Gotta abort the season on November 14th! ;D

BTW, magicman, you don't have the ultimate undefeated winner yet - Albertus Magnus is still undefeated against d3! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2012, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 30, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
BTW, magicman, you don't have the ultimate undefeated winner yet - Albertus Magnus is still undefeated against d3! ;)

A loss is still a loss. Our Pool wasn't The Undefeated against D3 Pool. ;D  And Yale is so bad this year they should be considered D3. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 31, 2012, 06:31:43 PM
Waynesburg 80 Muskingum 63

This result sets up the big Muskingum/Franciscan game on Jan 2.  0-11 vs 0-10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2012, 06:53:06 PM
Quote from: sac on December 31, 2012, 06:31:43 PM
Waynesburg 80 Muskingum 63

This result sets up the big Muskingum/Franciscan game on Jan 2.  0-11 vs 0-10

A couple comparative scores make Muskingum a big favorite......
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 31, 2012, 07:28:25 PM
Massey has Muskingum as an 84% favorite.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
On the women's side, Medgar Evers comes back from Christmas vacation, only to lose to Allegheny, 82-6.   Seems like ball handling may be one of our heroine's problems.. as they ran up 47 turnovers, versus a mere 22 shot attempts.... :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 02, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
On the women's side, Medgar Evers comes back from Christmas vacation, only to lose to Allegheny, 82-6.   Seems like ball handling may be one of our heroine's problems.. as they ran up 47 turnovers, versus a mere 22 shot attempts.... :'( :'(

I logged in specifically just to say Holy Crap!!!.....with emphasis.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2013, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 02, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
On the women's side, Medgar Evers comes back from Christmas vacation, only to lose to Allegheny, 82-6.   Seems like ball handling may be one of our heroine's problems.. as they ran up 47 turnovers, versus a mere 22 shot attempts.... :'( :'(

I logged in specifically just to say Holy Crap!!!.....with emphasis.

Just imagine if there was a women's team out there, whose Coach implemented the Grinnell full court system, and this coach decided he wanted to go for some records... and they lined up 'our' ladies....  WOW    what a nightmare....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2013, 04:12:56 PM

I know that the Medger Evers team hasn't been very competitive, but I don't think 47 turnovers is vastly different than a bad game for a weak d3 team.  As a fan of a pretty weak conference to begin with, 25 turnovers is a normal game.  A bad team on a bad night could do 36 without raising my eyebrows much.  So an exceptionally weak team with known ballhandling issues giving up 47 is certainly extreme, but I'm not sure it's worth a Holy Cow.  I think I'd want to see 60 before I got that far.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
Regarding turnovers I can remember a game in the SLIAC a couple of years ago where I was loosely keeping stats and I had a team on pace for a turnover a minute... they blew it in the last 5 minutes though and finished with 36
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2013, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 02, 2013, 04:12:56 PM

I know that the Medger Evers team hasn't been very competitive, but I don't think 47 turnovers is vastly different than a bad game for a weak d3 team.  As a fan of a pretty weak conference to begin with, 25 turnovers is a normal game.  A bad team on a bad night could do 36 without raising my eyebrows much.  So an exceptionally weak team with known ballhandling issues giving up 47 is certainly extreme, but I'm not sure it's worth a Holy Cow. I think I'd want to see 60 before I got that far.

  Do you think you could last until 60?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2013, 05:00:31 PM
47 is 10 over their average.

Their stat sheet is positively gruesome  http://www.mecathletics.com/custompages/stats/wbball/201213/teamcume.htm?path=wbball#TEAM.IND

FG%  15.1
3FG%  9.3
FT%  35.8
rebound margin -17.6
A/TO ration of .064
turnover margin -245.........24 per game
turnover rate of 54.6%
team efficiency rating of 20.75......ie give them the ball 100 times they avg scoring 20.75 points.

The best team they've played according to massey is Rutgers-Newark who rates #133 and is at best an average D3 womens defensive team. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2013, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2013, 05:00:31 PM
47 is 10 over their average.

Their stat sheet is positively gruesome  http://www.mecathletics.com/custompages/stats/wbball/201213/teamcume.htm?path=wbball#TEAM.IND

FG%  15.1
3FG%  9.3
FT%  35.8
rebound margin -17.6
A/TO ration of .064
turnover margin -245.........24 per game
turnover rate of 54.6%
team efficiency rating of 20.75......ie give them the ball 100 times they avg scoring 20.75 points.

The best team they've played according to massey is Rutgers-Newark who rates #133 and is at best an average D3 womens defensive team.

YIKES!  I've rarely seen 5th grade teams with worse stats than that!  (In fairness, their opponents were also 5th graders, not college athletes! ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 02, 2013, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 02, 2013, 04:12:56 PM

I know that the Medger Evers team hasn't been very competitive, but I don't think 47 turnovers is vastly different than a bad game for a weak d3 team.  As a fan of a pretty weak conference to begin with, 25 turnovers is a normal game.  A bad team on a bad night could do 36 without raising my eyebrows much.  So an exceptionally weak team with known ballhandling issues giving up 47 is certainly extreme, but I'm not sure it's worth a Holy Cow. I think I'd want to see 60 before I got that far.

  Do you think you could last until 60?

I've seen a lot of bad basketball.  I once saw a high school game that ended 106 to 8.  There had to have been 60+ turnovers in that one, although mostly steals.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 02, 2013, 07:23:59 PM
Unfortunately 47 isn't their worst this season... or their second worst. They had 49 (33 steals) against Vermont Tech which was still better than the previous game where they had 56 (34 steals) against Mount St Vincent. I believe their best performances were their opening two games where they had just 27 in each.

The only games Massey doesn't have them at a 0% chance of winning are the two games against York where they're 7% (home) and 3% (road).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 02, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
But, you really need to hand it to them for going out there and competing. I'm sure there will be better things for them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2013, 11:58:22 PM
Muskingum 73 Franciscan 62   I live another day.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2013, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2013, 11:58:22 PM
Muskingum 73 Franciscan 62   I live another day.

Looking at Franciscan's schedule, I think Sac is in petty good shape.....not sure who they'll beat, though D'youville and PSU Altoona still give the rest of us some hope.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 03, 2013, 12:42:57 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 03, 2013, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2013, 11:58:22 PM
Muskingum 73 Franciscan 62   I live another day.

Looking at Franciscan's schedule, I think Sac is in petty good shape.....not sure who they'll beat, though D'youville and PSU Altoona still give the rest of us some hope.....

I'm getting the feeling  Franciscan is coming along, they've added a player or two since Christmas and compared to some of the other loveable losers some of their losses haven't been as awful.

All relative of course.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 03, 2013, 01:20:36 AM
In Undefeated action tonight:

#3 North Central (Ill.)     Won at Elmhurst 71-51 

#4 St. Thomas              Won vs Carleton 78-69

#7 Rochester                Won vs RIT 78-48

#18 WPI                      Won at St. Joseph's (Maine) 58-45

In Winless action tonight:

Franciscan                   Lost vs Muskingum 73-62
This team is really running out of chances to win. Only 1 left I think and that's on 1-26 when they play D'Youville at home. They lost at D'Youville 68-65 back on 12-8. They may turn the tables on the 26th. If they lose that one I don't think sac can be beat

Houghton                      Lost at D'Youville 69-60 on 1-2

Lancaster Bible               Lost vs Messiah 63-59 on 1-2 

Regis (Mass.)                 Lost at Mass-Dartmouth 80-76 on 1-2

Washington College          Lost at Catholic 79-63 on 1-2

Blackburn                        Lost vs Monmouth 87-54 on 1-2

   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 03, 2013, 01:23:15 AM
Updated through 1-2-13:

Total of 8 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-2-13

Total of 13  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-2-13

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-2-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1.   magicman                 #2 Middlebury    Won vs RPI 105-86 on 12-30  Next at Bates 1-4                         
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#3 North Central (Ill.)     Won at Elmhurst 71-51 on 1-2  Next vs Wheaton on 1-5
#4 St. Thomas              Won vs Carleton 78-69 on 1-2  Next vs Augsburg on 1-5
#7 Rochester                Won vs RIT 78-48 0n 1-2 Next vs Emory on 1-5
#12 Adrian                   Won at Defiance 70-69 on 12-30.   Next on 1-3 at Calvin               
#18 WPI                      Won at St. Joseph's (Maine) 58-45 0n 1-2 Next at Coast Guard on 1-8
Augsburg                     Next vs North Central (Minn.) on 1-4
Randolph                     Won vs Huntingdon 75-73 in OT on 12-30 at Hampden-Sydney. Next vs Randolph-Macon on 1-5
         



WINLESS POOL                    Three left to battle it out.

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia            Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  Next vs Illinois College on 1-3
                               
2.   sac                            Franciscan        Lost vs Muskingum 73-62 on 1-2 Next vs Penn State-Behrend on 1-5
                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                    SUNY-Maritime   Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 Next at Lehman on 1-3

4.   zander                         Elmir             Won vs Oberlin 64-58 on 1-3 and zander exits stage left
                                     
                                                                                                   

Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton                               Lost at D'Youville 69-60 on 1-2 Next vs Stevens on 1-4
Lancaster Bible                        Lost vs Messiah 63-59 on 1-2  Next vs Wells on 1-5
Regis (Mass.)                           Lost at Mass-Dartmouth 80-76 on 1-2 Next vs Mitchell on 1-8 on 1-2
Southern Vermont                    Next at Daniel Webster on 1-8.
New England College                 Next vs Husson on 1-4
Washington College                  Lost at Catholic 79-63 on 1-2 Next at Gettysburg on 1-5                   
Muskingum                              Won at Franciscan 73-62 on  1-2 and wins The Battle of Ohio   
Blackburn                                Lost vs Monmouth 87-54 on 1-2  Next at Principia on 1-5  Big Battle with hopefan's team
Northland                                Lost vs Luther 93-42 on 12-30 at Cal Lutheran. Next vs St. Scholastica on 1-8
Piedmont                                 Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                                   
   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2013, 09:08:24 AM
SUNY Maritime's highest chance of a win is still just 17% (against Polytechnic)

Franciscan has a 44% shot against D'Youville at home and a 24% chance vs. Pitt-Greensburg at home as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
BTW, Medgar Evers is leading D-3 in turnovers as of 12/16 with 37 per game. So that seems to be the 'normal' outlier. Last year they had the highest at 35 per game as well.

So yeah, I'm all for HOLY COW with turnovers in the 40s, in the norm, for those not familiar with Medgar Evers.

The men's 'leader' is Blackburn with 22.5 per game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2013, 09:22:57 AM
And if you go the Blackburn's athletic site, at least today, you get one of those 'poaching' sites. Seems they didn't re-up the domain?

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2013, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 03, 2013, 09:22:57 AM
And if you go the Blackburn's athletic site, at least today, you get one of those 'poaching' sites. Seems they didn't re-up the domain?

funny you mention that.. I just got one of those corporate bad boy notes trying to go their this morning...I guess the term blackburnbeavers has some 'negative' connotation...  I know they were reachable prior to christmas, so they definitely messed something up....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2013, 05:09:14 PM
Elmira with the win over Oberlin 64 - 58

Oberlin   58   Elmira   64   Final  BX       (lest the score get changed!!!! ;D ;D)


and then there were 3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2013, 05:28:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2012, 07:58:38 AM
It was on the Franciscan web site and their D3 page, at least around 10. No box score, just a score was reported (as I think we both said).

I know I'm catching this late but in looking at the Presto log, Franciscan posted it as a win and it stood for 22 minutes before they corrected themselves. Our sites will always show the same score since we both use Presto.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2013, 07:52:10 PM
Everytime I semi-praise Oberlin, they bury me...

From the NCAC Board by some poster you know:

QuoteOberlin (4-6) @ Elmira (0-10) - Some of us who frequent the "Undefeated & Winless" board were pointing to this game as a chance for Elmira to get off the schneid. Probably not. The Yeomen have been pretty darn competitive and have won three of four. Oberlin did lose to Earlham, though (albiet early) so this is one that isn't lock stock and barrel cinch. The Soaring Eagles will need a great game and the Yeomen a stinker for this one to go against the NCAC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: northb on January 03, 2013, 09:12:35 PM
Take Adrian off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 03, 2013, 11:24:53 PM
In Undefeated action tonight.

#7 Adrian  Lost at Calvin 56-50


In Winless action tonight:

Elmira Won vs Oberlin 64-58     and zander exits the Winless Pool leaving 3 players to duke it out.

Principia Lost vs Illinois College 91-44   Big game coming up against winless Blackburn on 1-5.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2013, 12:07:26 AM
Updated through 1-5-13:

Total of 6 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-5-13

Total of 9  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-5-13

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-5-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1.   magicman                 #2 Middlebury 11-0    Won at Tufts 70-69 Next vs Connecticut College on 1-11                         
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#1 North Central (Ill.) 12-0     Won at Elmhurst 71-51 on 1-2  Next vs Wheaton on 1-5
#3 St. Thomas  11-0              Won vs Augsburg 94-52 on 1-5  Next at Bethel on 1-7
#4 Rochester  12-0                Won vs Emory 89-80 on 1-5  Next vs Chicago on 1-11
#7 Adrian  11-0                     Lost at Calvin 56-50 on 1-3               
#14 WPI  11-0                       Won vs Babson 71-38 on 1-5  Next at Coast Guard on 1-8
#27 Randolph  12-0               Won vs Randolph-Macon 66-65 on 1-5  Next vs Roanoke on 1-9
#31 Augsburg  9-0                 Lost at #3 St. Thomas 94-52 on 1-5
         



WINLESS POOL                    Three left to battle it out.

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia 0-9            Lost vs Blackburn 53-50 on 1-5  Next at Spalding on 1-8
                               
2.   sac                            Franciscan 0-12        Lost vs Penn State-Behrend 65-26 on 1-5  Next vs Pitt-Bradford on 1-6
                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                  SUNY-Maritime 0-6   Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 Next at St. Joseph's (L. I.) on 1-7

4.   zander                         Elmira  0-10             Won vs Oberlin 64-58 on 1-3 and zander exits stage left
                                     
                                                                                                   

Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-11                                 Lost vs Hartwick 81-73 on 1-5 Next vs Keuka on 1-9
Lancaster Bible 0-10                         Won vs Wells 57-48 on 1-5
Regis (Mass.)  0-11                           Lost at Mass-Dartmouth 80-76 on 1-2 Next vs Mitchell on 1-8
Southern Vermont  0-10                    Lost at MCLA 86-63 on 12-13  Next at Daniel Webster on 1-8.
New England College 0-11                 Won vs Maine Maritime 89-82 on 1-5
Washington College 0-13                  Lost at Gettysburg 69-53 on 1-5  Next vs Dickinson on 1-8                 
Muskingum  0-11                             Won at Franciscan 73-62 on  1-2 and wins The Battle of Ohio   
Blackburn 0-11                                        Won at Principia 53-50 on 1-5
Northland  0-8                                  Lost vs Luther 93-42 on 12-30 at Cal Lutheran. Next vs St. Scholastica on 1-8
Piedmont                                         Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                                   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2013, 08:04:44 AM
Yep. the big game in the SLIAC between my winless pick, Principia, and winless Blackburn, is coming up tomorrow....  originally, I had seen signs that Prin would be a distinct favorite in this game, and that my reign as Winless Champ would be ended, to be turned over to Sac or Hoops fan....  but wait, all hope is not lost... a review of the box scores of non conference games this week gives me some reason for optimism...  While both Blackburn and Prin got thoroughly trounced (BC loses 84-57 to Monmouth and Prin 91-44 to Ill College) I do note that Blackburn has maintained their whole roster from 1st semester (my assumption is that continuity leads to improvement).  On the other hand, in a 47 point loss, Prin played only 6 players, missing leading scorer frosh guard Larry Patterson (15.4 points per game)...   gotta think that while Prin may be evenly matched with BC that the iron man 6 may run out of steam if the game is a close one....and it may be tough to replace that 15 ppg.... ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 04, 2013, 08:04:44 AM
Yep. the big game in the SLIAC between my winless pick, Principia, and winless Blackburn, is coming up tomorrow....  originally, I had seen signs that Prin would be a distinct favorite in this game, and that my reign as Winless Champ would be ended, to be turned over to Sac or Hoops fan....  but wait, all hope is not lost... a review of the box scores of non conference games this week gives me some reason for optimism...  While both Blackburn and Prin got thoroughly trounced (BC loses 84-57 to Monmouth and Prin 91-44 to Ill College) I do note that Blackburn has maintained their whole roster from 1st semester (my assumption is that continuity leads to improvement).  On the other hand, in a 47 point loss, Prin played only 6 players, missing leading scorer frosh guard Larry Patterson (15.4 points per game)...   gotta think that while Prin may be evenly matched with BC that the iron man 6 may run out of steam if the game is a close one....and it may be tough to replace that 15 ppg.... ???

Massey has Principia favored by 3 points in the big matchup. The 2 teams have 3 common opponents, Rockford, Illinois College, and Millikin. Blackburn has fared slightly better against all 3 than Prin has, for what that's worth. If they don't have Patterson for the Blackburn game I think you'll be OK. Can't see how they make up for his loss.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 05, 2013, 04:27:18 AM
In Undefeated Pool action on Friday night:

#2 Middlebury 10-0    Won at Bates 59-56 on 1-4

#31 Augsburg  9-0     Won vs North Central (Minn.) 82-74 on 1-4  Next at #3 St. Thomas on 1-5 in a battle of unbeatens


In Winless Pool action on Friday night:

Houghton  0-10           Lost vs Stevens 80-61

New England College 0-11   Lost vs Husson 81-56   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2013, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 05, 2013, 04:27:18 AM

New England College 0-11   Lost vs Husson 81-56

What's crazy about this is that NEC was within three at halftime.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 05, 2013, 11:01:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 05, 2013, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 05, 2013, 04:27:18 AM

New England College 0-11   Lost vs Husson 81-56

What's crazy about this is that NEC was within three at halftime.

and actually took the lead at the beginning of the second half!  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 05, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
Franciscan hosts PSU-Behrend today, Pitt-Greensburg Sunday.

Probably don't have much chance today but they have a real shot Sunday.  Pitt-G beat Franciscan by 10 earlier in December at home, this ones in Steubenville.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 05, 2013, 10:49:50 PM
I really think my new favorite thing about Franciscan is their twitter account:  https://twitter.com/BaronVonSteubie

That is a killer twitter handle.  Looks like its mostly womens updates but still the supersweetness cannot be denied.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 06, 2013, 01:09:26 AM
In Undefeated Pool  action today:

#2 Middlebury Won at Tufts 70-69. Panthers were down 13 at 52-39 with 13 minutes to play but came all the way back to remain undefeated

#1 North Central (Ill.) 13-0            Won vs #8 Wheaton 69-55

#3 St. Thomas  11-0                    Won vs #31 Augsburg 94-52

#4 Rochester  12-0                       Won vs Emory 89-80

#14 WPI  11-0                             Won vs Babson 71-38

#27 Randolph  12-0                     Won vs Randolph-Macon 66-65

#31 Augsburg  9-0                      Lost at #3 St. Thomas 94-52

In Winless Pool  action today:

Principia 0-9                               Lost vs Blackburn 53-50       hopefan is a happy fellow
hopefan, as we suspected no Larry Patterson for Principia. Prin had a chance to tie it at the end but the 3 point attempt at the buzzer was no good. 

Franciscan 0-12                          Lost vs Penn State-Behrend 65-26   And so isn't sac

Houghton  0-11                           Lost vs Hartwick 81-73

Lancaster Bible 0-10                    Won vs Wells 57-48

New England College 0-11            Won vs Maine Maritime 89-82

Washington College 0-13              Lost at Gettysburg 69-53

Blackburn  0-11                            Won at Principia 53-50
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 06, 2013, 01:12:44 AM
Updated through 1-8-13:

Total of 6 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-8-13

Total of 8  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-8-13

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-8-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1.   magicman                 #3 Middlebury 11-0    Won at Tufts 70-69 Next vs Connecticut College on 1-11                         
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#1 North Central (Ill.) 13-0     Won vs Wheaton 69-55 on 1-5 Next at Carthage on 1-9
#2 St. Thomas  12-0              Won at Bethel 90-48 on 1-7 Next vs Gustavus Adolphus on 1-9
#4 Rochester  12-0                Won vs Emory 89-80 on 1-5  Next vs Chicago on 1-11               
#8 WPI  12-0                        Won  at Coast Guard on 1-8 83-49 Next at Worcester State on 1-10
#24 Randolph  12-0               Won vs Randolph-Macon 66-65 on 1-5  Next vs Roanoke on 1-9

         



WINLESS POOL                    Three left to battle it out.

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia 0-10            Lost at Spalding 103-45 on 1-8  Next at Fontbonne on 1-10
                               
2.   sac                            Franciscan 0-13        Lost vs Pitt-Bradford 62-44 on 1-6 Next vs La Roche on 1-9
                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                  SUNY-Maritime 0-7     Lost at St. Joseph's (L. I.) 78-65 on 1-7 Next vs non D3 Vaughn on 1-9


                                     
                                                                                                   

Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-11                                 Lost vs Hartwick 81-73 on 1-5 Next vs Keuka on 1-9
Regis (Mass.)  0-11                           Won vs Mitchell 74-69 on 1-8
Southern Vermont  0-11                    Lost at Daniel Webster 87-72 on 1-8  Next vs Regis (Mass.) on 1-10
Washington College 0-14                   Lost vs Dickinson 76-67 on 1-8  Next vs Franklin & Marshall on 1-12                     
Northland  0-9                                  Lost vs St. Scholastica 93-64 on 1-8  Next vs Crown on 1-11
Piedmont                                         Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                               
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 06, 2013, 08:03:01 PM
Franciscan was close at the half but fell short to Pitt-Bradford 62-44 this afternoon and fall to 0-13.  They've now dropped 39 in a row.  I have to hand it to their SID for always finding a positive spin on their results. http://www.franciscanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/MBKB010613BRAD

I'm starting to root for these guys and hope I lose this contest.  This has to be tough on them.

games in the next week.  LaRoche, @Medaille

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2013, 07:08:23 AM
In Undefeated Pool action on Monday night:

#2 St. Thomas  12-0              Won at Bethel 90-48


In Winless Pool action on Monday night:

SUNY-Maritime 0-7     Lost at St. Joseph's (L. I.) 78-65 
The Privateers played their 1st game in over a month and Hoops Fan has quietly sat by and watched the Winless Pool shrink to 3 players. The Privateers will host Vaughn College on Wednesday night (unless it magically gets cancelled like some of their other games were) and this is a game that could spell doom for Hoops Fan. Trying to find out anything about Vaughn's basketball team is almost impossible as the school doesn't really have much of an athletic website. You can get their schedule, with no results and you can get a roster but no stats. They play in the Hudson Valley Athletic Conference with teams like Albany Pharmacy, Sarah Lawrence, Culinary Institute...well you get the picture. They have a 4-6 record against some less than stellar competition. For comparison's sake I did see that they were crushed at CCNY 75-39. SUNY-Maritme lost at CCNY 65-36. Sounds like this one could be a real barnburner.
   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2013, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2013, 07:08:23 AMTrying to find out anything about Vaughn's basketball team is almost impossible as the school doesn't really have much of an athletic website.

The United Network Command for Law and Enforcement prefers to maintain a low profile for international security reasons.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clickautographs.com%2Fphotos%2Frobert_vaughn_as_napoleon_solo.jpg&hash=82d85ea98a53d19104fb41d8cea6cefd63d26bd3)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 08, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
In Undefeated Pool action tonight:

#8 WPI  12-0                                Won  at Coast Guard on 1-8 83-49


In Winless Pool action tonight:

Principia 0-10                                 Lost at Spalding 103-45  that's not a loss that's a monkey stomping.  hopefan sure chose wisely.

Regis (Mass.)  0-11                       Won vs Mitchell 74-69 on 1-8

Southern Vermont  0-11                Lost at Daniel Webster 87-72 on 1-8

Washington College 0-14               Lost vs Dickinson 76-67 on 1-8

Northland  0-9                               Lost vs St. Scholastica 93-64
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
In Undefeated Pool action tonight:

Principia 0-10                                 Lost at Spalding 103-45  that's not a loss that's a monkey stomping.  hopefan sure chose wisely.

And Spalding gave their leading scorer, DeWhon McAfee, (24.8 ppg), the night off!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 02:43:53 PM
Can't wait to hear about the big SUNY-Maritime vs Vaughn game!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
In Undefeated Pool action tonight:

Principia 0-10                                 Lost at Spalding 103-45  that's not a loss that's a monkey stomping.  hopefan sure chose wisely.

And Spalding gave their leading scorer, DeWhon McAfee, (24.8 ppg), the night off!!!!

Was there a reason cited for the night off?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
In Undefeated Pool action tonight:

Principia 0-10                                 Lost at Spalding 103-45  that's not a loss that's a monkey stomping.  hopefan sure chose wisely.

And Spalding gave their leading scorer, DeWhon McAfee, (24.8 ppg), the night off!!!!

Was there a reason cited for the night off?

No, but on the SLIAC pages I speculate that it may have been a Coach's 'mercy' decision, as the leading Spalding Women's player also did not appear in the ladies box score...   poor Prin dressed only 6 players in the men's game and 6 in the women's game..

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 09, 2013, 03:34:59 PM
Principia vs. Medgar Evers - women's matchup!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
In Undefeated Pool action tonight:

Principia 0-10                                 Lost at Spalding 103-45  that's not a loss that's a monkey stomping.  hopefan sure chose wisely.

And Spalding gave their leading scorer, DeWhon McAfee, (24.8 ppg), the night off!!!!

Was there a reason cited for the night off?

No, but on the SLIAC pages I speculate that it may have been a Coach's 'mercy' decision, as the leading Spalding Women's player also did not appear in the ladies box score...   poor Prin dressed only 6 players in the men's game and 6 in the women's game..

I credit Principia for sticking with it.  When faced with similar numbers Piedmont (Ga) cancelled their season after starting 0-7.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 09, 2013, 03:34:59 PM
Principia vs. Medgar Evers - women's matchup!

That would be brutal.  I believe Principia would grab the win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 09, 2013, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 08, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
In Undefeated Pool action tonight:

Principia 0-10                                 Lost at Spalding 103-45  that's not a loss that's a monkey stomping.  hopefan sure chose wisely.

And Spalding gave their leading scorer, DeWhon McAfee, (24.8 ppg), the night off!!!!

Was there a reason cited for the night off?

No, but on the SLIAC pages I speculate that it may have been a Coach's 'mercy' decision, as the leading Spalding Women's player also did not appear in the ladies box score...   poor Prin dressed only 6 players in the men's game and 6 in the women's game..

I credit Principia for sticking with it.  When faced with similar numbers Piedmont (Ga) cancelled their season after starting 0-7.

I think Piedmont was going to have less than six based on the issues they were having.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2013, 04:06:41 PM
Interesting point regarding Principia ladies... they get a number of their student athletes from the Principia school in St Louis... just down the river from Principia College in Elsah Illinois... at least thru Mid December, the Principia School's women's team had been rated in the top 10 small schools Girls hoops rankings in the St Louis area, though they have dropped out of the rankings with an 8-5 record.. here's hoping that some of those young ladies consider attending Principia college in the future....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 04:10:12 PM
Meaning absolutely no disrespect toward Principia, or the Christian Science religion, what do they do when the inevitable injuries occur?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2013, 08:54:38 PM

Maritime beat Vaughn.  I have lost the pool, but I think we can all agree, I did choose the worst team in d3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2013, 09:00:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 09, 2013, 08:54:38 PM

Maritime beat Vaughn.  I have lost the pool, but I think we can all agree, I did choose the worst team in d3.

Maybe, but Franciscan and Principia are looking pretty tough (to not beat).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 09, 2013, 09:21:06 PM
Massey has Sarah Lawrence as the worst but they're in re-classifying limbo, right?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 10, 2013, 12:43:47 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 09, 2013, 09:21:06 PM
Massey has Sarah Lawrence as the worst but they're in re-classifying limbo, right?

Any of our winless teams would put a licking on Sarah Lawrence. They are without a doubt the worst team in D3 but they are transitioning over and are still playing in that Hudson Valley Athletic Conference along with Vaughn and some other very bad teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 10, 2013, 12:50:02 AM
Quote from: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 04:10:12 PM
Meaning absolutely no disrespect toward Principia, or the Christian Science religion, what do they do when the inevitable injuries occur?

shrug?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 10, 2013, 12:51:36 AM
Franciscan 48 LaRoche 59

The Barons play 7 of their final 11 on the road.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 10, 2013, 01:10:44 AM
Pool Results from Wednesday January 9th:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#1 North Central (Ill.) 13-0     Lost at Carthage 64-53

#2 St. Thomas  13-0             Won vs Gustavus Adolphus 81-60

#24 Randolph  13-0               Won vs Roanoke 73-61


In Winless Pool action

SUNY-Maritime 0-7                 Won vs non D3 Vaughn 69-60  Hoops Fan's team is eliminated

Franciscan 0-14                     Lost vs La Roche 59-48 

Houghton  0-12                      Lost vs Keuka 77-53   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 10, 2013, 01:24:54 AM
Updated through 1-10-13:

Total of 5 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-10-13

Total of 7  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-10-13

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-10-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1.   magicman                 #3 Middlebury 12-0    Won vs Connecticut College 85-68 on 1-11 Next vs Wesleyan on 1-12                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#1 North Central (Ill.) 13-0     Lost at Carthage 64-53 on 1-9
#2 St. Thomas  13-0              Won vs Gustavus Adolphus 81-60 on 1-9  Next vs St. John's on 1-12
#4 Rochester  13-0                Won vs Chicago 64-47 on 1-11 Next vs Washington University on 1-13               
#8 WPI  15-0                        Won at Worcester State 87-71 on 1-10 Next at Wheaton (Mass.) on 1-12
#24 Randolph  13-0               Won vs Roanoke 73-61 on 1-9  Next at Virginia Wesleyan on 1-12 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia 0-10            Lost at Fontbonne 94-66 on 1-10 Next vs Westminster (MO.) on 1-12
                               
2.   sac                            Franciscan 0-14         Lost vs La Roche 59-48  Next at Medaille on 1-12
                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                  SUNY-Maritime 0-7     Won vs non D3 Vaughn 69-60 on 1-9    Leaving us with our final pairing


                                     
                                                                                                   

Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-13                                 Lost vs Utica 85-66 on 1-11 Next vs Elmira on 1-12 
Southern Vermont  0-11                    Lost vs Regis (Mass.) 72-43 on 1-10 Next at Mitchell on 1-12
Washington College 0-14                   Lost vs Dickinson 76-67 on 1-8  Next vs Franklin & Marshall on 1-12                     
Northland  0-10                                Lost vs Crown 63-45 on 1-11 Next vs Minnesota-Morris on 1-12
Piedmont                                          Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                             
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 10, 2013, 08:06:10 AM
Let's play the percentages:

Undefeated Teams (game with the lowest % chance of winning):

Middlebury - 1/26 @ Williams (19%)  :o
St. Thomas - 2/2 @ Augsburg (83%)
Rochester - 2/10 @ Wash U. (50%)
WPI - 2/13 @ MIT (56%)
Randolph - 2/16 @ Randolph Macon (37%)


Winless Teams (game with the highest % chance of winning):

Principia - 1/22 @ St. Louis Pharmacy (35%)
Franciscan - 1/26 vs. D'Youville (33%)
Houghton - 2/9 vs. Alfred (26%)
Southern Vermont - 1/31 vs. Wheelock (60%)
Washington College - 2/6 vs. Swarthmore (63%)
Northland - 1/15 vs. Finlandia (58%)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2013, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 10, 2013, 01:24:54 AM
WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia 0-10            Lost at Spalding 103-45 on 1-8  Next at Fontbonne on 1-10
                               
2.   sac                            Franciscan 0-14         Lost vs La Roche 59-48  Next at Medaille on 1-12
                                   
                           

I think my man Sac is in trouble...  that score vs LaRoche is an indicator that Franciscan is getting better... and they play PSU Altoona on Jan 17, a team they only lost to by 4 earlier in the season...Prin on the other hand has virtually no chance of victory in their next 4 games, playing 4 of the SLIAC leaders... then hit St Louis Pharma on 1/22, a team they only lost to by 2 earlier... I'm hoping I can outlast Sac and the Franciscan challenge.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: frank uible on January 10, 2013, 02:52:41 PM
hopefan: Are you sure your underwear isn't too tight?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2013, 03:00:09 PM
hmmmm tight whities????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 10, 2013, 05:07:25 PM
mano y mano, may the biggest loser win.....or lose.  Well you get the idea.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 11, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Results from 1-10:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#8 WPI  15-0                        Won at Worcester State 87-71 on 1-10

In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-10                        Lost at Fontbonne 94-66

Southern Vermont  0-11         Lost vs Regis (Mass.) 72-43
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 11, 2013, 08:00:34 PM
Results from 1-11:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#3 Middlebury 12-0    Won vs Connecticut College 85-68

#4 Rochester  13-0      Won vs Chicago 64-47

In Winless Pool action:

Houghton  0-13            Lost vs Utica 85-66

Northland  0-10              Lost vs Crown 63-45

 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 11, 2013, 11:18:33 PM
Updated through 1-14-13:

Total of 4 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-14-13

Total of 6  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-14-13

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-14-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1.   magicman                 #3 Middlebury 13-0 Won vs Wesleyan 78-77 in OT on 1-12 Next at Castleton State 1-15                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#1 St. Thomas  15-0              Won at St. Olaf 94-64 on 1-14  Next vs Macalester on 1-16
#2 Rochester  14-0                Won vs Washington University 93-81 on 1-13 Next at Carnegie Mellon on 1-18               
#6 WPI  16-0                        Won at Wheaton (Mass.) 58-41 on 1-12 Next vs Clark on 1-16
#24 Randolph  13-0                Lost at Virginia Wesleyan 72-66 on 1-12 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan       Principia 0-12     Lost vs Westminster (MO.) 73-49 on 1-12 Next at MacMurray on 1-15  37 losses in a row
                               
2. sac             Franciscan 0-16  Lost vs Mount Aloysius 87-57 on 1-14  Next at Penn State-Altoona on 1-17  40 losses in a row
                                   
                                   
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-14                                 Lost vs Elmira 63-55 on 1-12 Next at Hartwick 1-18   
Southern Vermont  0-13                    Lost at Mitchell 101-72 on 1-12 Next vs Lesley on 1-15
Washington College 0-14                   Won vs #14 Franklin & Marshall 62-61 on 1-12   WOW!!                     
Northland  0-11                                Lost vs Minnesota-Morris 73-58 on 1-12 Next vs Finlandia on 1-15
Piedmont                                          Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                           
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2013, 12:18:22 PM

I'm going to see F&M play at winless Washington College here in a couple hours.  F&M has been struggling of late, so I'm hoping to bring some good will to Chestertown today.

Let's go home team!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: njf1003 on January 12, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2013, 12:18:22 PM

I'm going to see F&M play at winless Washington College here in a couple hours.  F&M has been struggling of late, so I'm hoping to bring some good will to Chestertown today.

Let's go home team!
Well Washington gets off the winless list with a 62-61 over F&M...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2013, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on January 12, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2013, 12:18:22 PM

I'm going to see F&M play at winless Washington College here in a couple hours.  F&M has been struggling of late, so I'm hoping to bring some good will to Chestertown today.

Let's go home team!
Well Washington gets off the winless list with a 62-61 over F&M...
If you are going to come off the winless list, you might as well hang a loss on a Top 25 team while you are doing it!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2013, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on January 12, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2013, 12:18:22 PM

I'm going to see F&M play at winless Washington College here in a couple hours.  F&M has been struggling of late, so I'm hoping to bring some good will to Chestertown today.

Let's go home team!
Well Washington gets off the winless list with a 62-61 over F&M...
If you are going to come off the winless list, you might as well hang a loss on a Top 25 team while you are doing it!

If F&M is a Top 25 team, this is a terrible year for d3 basketball.  I won't even consider voting for them in the Poster's Poll after seeing them play.  They've got some good young talent, but they're night and day from the team I watched trash Amherst last year.

The game was awesome.  It doesn't appear that school is back in session just yet at Washington College, but there was 100-150 people there.  The gym was pretty full and certainly loud by the end.  The Shoremen had to endure a tough 7 seconds of defense at the end (not even allowing F&M to get the last shot off) before celebrating like they won the national title, quickly shaking hands, then sprinting out the front door of the building to ring the giant bell on campus.  It was a pretty cool sight.

This team doesn't deserve to be on the winless list; I'm glad they got off.  The talent was less than F&M, but not drastically.  I'd chalk the record up to abhorrent coaching.  I've never seen a worse coached college team.  I thought, with a 1 point lead and 90 seconds to play, that Glenn Robinson was going to be the difference for his team, but the WC guys overcame their obstacles and pulled it out.

Fun afternoon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 13, 2013, 01:02:56 AM
Results from 1-12:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#3 Middlebury 13-0                Won vs Wesleyan 78-77 in OT

#2 St. Thomas  13-0              Won vs St. John's 94-63

#8 WPI  15-0                        Won at Wheaton (Mass.) 58-41

#24 Randolph  13-0                Lost at Virginia Wesleyan 72-66


In Winless Pool action

Principia 0-12                        Lost vs Westminster (MO.) 73-49    Lost by 24 points

Franciscan 0-15                     Lost at Medaille 82-56  sac says anything you can do I can do better  Lost by 26 points

Houghton  0-14                      Lost vs Elmira 63-55

Southern Vermont  0-13           Lost at Mitchell 101-72

Northland  0-11                       Lost vs Minnesota-Morris 73-58 on

Washington College 0-14          Won vs #14 Franklin & Marshall 62-61  Somebody forgot to tell the Shoremen they couldn't win this game   
     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 13, 2013, 02:17:55 PM
Only action today:

In the Undefeated Pool

#4 Rochester 14-0 won vs #12 Washington University 93-81
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 14, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
Not much chance Franciscan pulls the upset Wednedsday and beat league leader Mt. Aloysius.

off-track a little but Mt. A was picked 6th in the AMCC and is currently leading the pack.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on January 14, 2013, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: sac on January 14, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
Not much chance Franciscan pulls the upset Wednedsday and beat league leader Mt. Aloysius.

off-track a little but Mt. A was picked 6th in the AMCC and is currently leading the pack.

What, like it's hard?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 14, 2013, 11:37:53 PM
Results from 1-14:

In Undefeated Pool action

#1 St. Thomas  15-0              Won at St. Olaf 94-64


In Winless Pool action

Franciscan 0-16                     Lost vs Mount Aloysius 87-57

The Barons have now lost 40 games in a row. It's officially the longest current winless streak in Men's D3 hoops. Principia is close behind with 37 straight losses. The two schools should have scheduled each other so one of them could have gotten off the schneid. Then we would have a definitive winner in the Winless Survivor Pool between hopefan and sac. Their battle to survive may not end this year. We'll have to do a carry over into next season or declare it a tie. I'd vote for the carryover   The tie thing is like   :-*ing your sister. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 14, 2013, 11:50:54 PM
Now, there's still the return matchups with St. Louis Pharmacy and Blackburn for Principia, and the home games with Pitt-Greensburg and D'Youville for Franciscan. All is not lost.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2013, 11:54:48 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 14, 2013, 11:50:54 PM
Now, there's still the return matchups with St. Louis Pharmacy and Blackburn for Principia, and the home games with Pitt-Greensburg and D'Youville for Franciscan. All is not lost.

Franciscan lost by only 3 AT D'Youville.  Next week they meet AT Franciscan.  Barring a change of heart, Pickems posters should think that it pretty likely to appear!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 14, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 14, 2013, 11:37:53 PM
  The tie thing is like   :-*ing your sister. ;D

I'm not kissing hopefan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2013, 04:23:17 AM
Practically speaking, I'm shocked if Prin doesn't beat either St Louis Pharma or Lincoln Christian, and as mentioned, the Blackburn game could also be close... I just have to root that PSU Altoona takes care of business vs Franciscan before Prin plays those 3.... 

This contest could get interesting if Prin loses to Pharma and Fran loses to Altoona.... that would likely generate both remaining winless to Jan 26, when Fran plays DYouville and Prin plays Lincoln CHristian... technically if they were both to win, Prin and I would enjoy 1 hour of Winless championship, as Prin tips off an hour later than Franciscan on the 26th.. but in the interest of fairness, I think I'd be willing to share the crown ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2013, 10:34:42 AM

Is anyone tracking the winless and undefeated against d3 lists this year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on January 15, 2013, 11:07:44 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2013, 10:34:42 AM

Is anyone tracking the winless and undefeated against d3 lists this year?

Undefeated vs. D3
Rochester
St. Thomas
WPI
Middlebury
Albertus Magnus
Nebraska Wesleyan -- finished with their D3 games at 5-0

Winless vs. D3:
Piedmont
Presentation
Southern Vermont
Northland
Maranatha Baptist
Principia
Franciscan (Ohio)
SUNY-Maritime
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 15, 2013, 10:46:21 PM
Interesting result in the Empire 8 conference tonight as a former member of our Winless Pool, Elmira who hung around in the pool until January 3rd before they finally got a win, has upset the co-leader of the league Ithaca 72-66. Ithaca could have moved into sole possession of 1st place with a win tonight which would have given them a 5-0 league mark. Instead they fall into a 2nd place tie with Nazareth at 4-1 and leave #24 Stevens all alone in the top spot with a 4-0 league record. Elmira, the perennial doormat in the E8 improves to 3-12 on the year. They have already equaled their win total for the past 2 seasons when they were 1-24 and 2-23. Since the start of the 2008 season they are now 14-101, but for tonight, at least, the Soaring Eagles are flying high. 8-) 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2013, 10:53:19 PM
magicman, at your suggestion I added Stevens @ Ithaca to my 'watch list' for the national pickems.  After tonight, they have now been scratched out! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2013, 05:59:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2013, 10:53:19 PM
magicman, at your suggestion I added Stevens @ Ithaca to my 'watch list' for the national pickems.  After tonight, they have now been scratched out! :P

You realize of course that if you did schedule the Ithaca-Stevens game, everyone will pick Stevens (except me). Ithaca is going to pull off an upset against Stevens and you would be well on your way toward the Scheduler of the Year award. Don't say I didn't warn you. ??? 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2013, 07:20:52 AM
Results from 1-15:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#3 Middlebury 14-0                          Won at Castleton State 54-38


In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-13                                 Lost at MacMurray 90-39

Southern Vermont  0-14                    Lost vs Lesley 77-67

Northland  0-12                                Lost vs Finlandia 82-60   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2013, 07:22:04 AM
Updated through 1-19-13:

Total of 4 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-19-13

Total of 5  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-19-13

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-19-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 15-0 Won vs Hamilton 66-47 on 1-18 Next at nonD3 St. Joseph's (Vt) on 1-23                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#1 St. Thomas  16-0              Won vs Macalester 92-53 on 1-16  Next at Concordia-Moorhead on 1-21
#2 Rochester  15-0                Won at Carnegie Mellon 72-63 on 1-18 Next at Case Western Reserve on 1-20               
#6 WPI  18-0                        Won vs MIT 65-59 on 1-19 Next vs Springfield on 1-23
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan       Principia 0-15     Lost vs Webster 92-58 on 1-19 Next at St. Louis Pharmacy on 1-22    43 losses in a row
                               
2. sac             Franciscan 0-18  Lost at Hilbert 63-44 on 1-19 Next vs Pitt-Greensburg on 1-23  44 losses in a row
                                   
                                     
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-16                                 Lost at Stevens 80-49 on 1-19 Next at Elmira on 1-22   
Southern Vermont  0-16                    Lost at Newbury 85-56 on 1-19  Next at Becker on 1-22                     
Northland  0-13                                Won at Martin Luther 79-71 on 1-19
Piedmont                                          Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                         
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2013, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 13, 2013, 01:02:56 AM
Results from 1-12:

In Winless Pool action

Principia 0-12                        Lost vs Westminster (MO.) 73-49    Lost by 24 points

Franciscan 0-15                     Lost at Medaille 82-56  sac says anything you can do I can do better  Lost by 26 points   

Updated through 1-15-13:    Principia 0-13     Lost at MacMurray 90-39 on 1-15   (=51 points!!)
TAKE THAT !!!!!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 16, 2013, 03:21:32 PM
I think Franciscan can keep it under 50 against PSU-Altoona, thats if they don't blow it all and go do something crazy like win.  Only lost by 4 last time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 16, 2013, 11:34:51 PM
Results from 1-16:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#1 St. Thomas  16-0              Won vs Macalester 92-53

#6 WPI  17-0                        Won vs Clark 57-45

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 17, 2013, 10:47:31 PM
PSU-Altoona 69  Franciscan 59    pretty competitive.  The Barons battled back from 15 down a couple times but never seriously threatened.

at Hilbert Saturday and that won't go well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 18, 2013, 12:41:01 AM
Results from Thursday 1-17:

In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-14                                  Lost at Eureka 88-43 on 1-17

Franciscan 0-17                               Lost at Penn State-Altoona 66-59

Southern Vermont  0-15                    Lost at Wheelock 64-55   

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 19, 2013, 06:24:51 AM
Results from Friday 1-18:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#3 Middlebury 15-0                Won vs Hamilton 66-47

#2 Rochester  15-0                Won at Carnegie Mellon 72-63 on 1-18


In Winless Pool action:

Houghton  0-15                      Lost at Hartwick 76-47

Northland  0-13                      Lost at Bethany Lutheran 93-53       
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 19, 2013, 09:57:51 PM
Franciscan 44 Hilbert 63

Up next week is home games with Pitt-Greensburg and D'Youville, maybe the Baron's best two chances of the season for a win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 20, 2013, 12:30:41 AM
Results from Saturday:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#6 WPI  18-0                         Won vs MIT 65-59


In Winless Pool action :

Principia 0-15                          Lost vs Webster 92-

Franciscan 0-18                       Lost at Hilbert 63-44

Houghton  0-16                       Lost at Stevens 80-49

Southern Vermont  0-16            Lost at Newbury 85-56

Northland  0-13                       Won at Martin Luther 79-71 on 1-19 and the Jacks finally get a win!!     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2013, 11:19:31 AM
Big game in winless contest on Tuesday is Prin at St Louis Pharma... Pharma beat them close earlier in the year, and Prin was without big man Kenny Sydness in that game..  Im in trouble with this one  SCOP lost two in Kentucky this weekend.. badly... to fall to 5-8... good news that 3 players who garner most of their favorable stats are all back and playing this semester.. if Prin loses that one, they then have Lincoln Christian, a 13 point loser to stl pharma, on Saturday..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 20, 2013, 02:02:42 PM
Updated through 1-20-13:

Total of 4 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-20-13

Total of 5  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-20-13

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-20-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 15-0 Won vs Hamilton 66-47 on 1-18 Next at nonD3 St. Joseph's (Vt) on 1-23                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#1 St. Thomas  16-0              Won vs Macalester 92-53 on 1-16  Next at Concordia-Moorhead on 1-21
#2 Rochester  16-0                Won at Case Western Reserve 88-66 on 1-20  Next vs NYU on 1-25               
#6 WPI  18-0                        Won vs MIT 65-59 on 1-19 Next vs Springfield on 1-23
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan       Principia 0-15     Lost vs Webster 92-58 on 1-19 Next at St. Louis Pharmacy on 1-22    43 losses in a row
                               
2. sac             Franciscan 0-18  Lost at Hilbert 63-44 on 1-19 Next vs Pitt-Greensburg on 1-23  44 losses in a row
                                   
                                     
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-16                                 Lost at Stevens 80-49 on 1-19 Next at Elmira on 1-22   
Southern Vermont  0-16                    Lost at Newbury 85-56 on 1-19  Next at Becker on 1-22                     
Northland  0-13                                Won at Martin Luther 79-71 on 1-19
Piedmont                                          Remainder of season cancelled. Record was 0-7                       
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 20, 2013, 04:17:32 PM
I don't recall this being discussed here, but is Piedmont the ultimate winless team this year because they canceled the rest if the year... So they CAN'T win game?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 20, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
Well, in case of a tie I think the ultimate winless team is the team that lost the most games - they had more chances to win!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 20, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on January 20, 2013, 04:17:32 PM
I don't recall this being discussed here, but is Piedmont the ultimate winless team this year because they canceled the rest if the year... So they CAN'T win game?
Quote from: smedindy on January 20, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
Well, in case of a tie I think the ultimate winless team is the team that lost the most games - they had more chances to win!

Piedmont is an aberration, and really doesn't belong on the winless list due to the cancellation of their season in my opinion. This could have happened after 1 game instead of 7. We wouldn't even think of considering them if that was the case so I don't think they should be in the mix and in fact I'm going to delete them the next time I update the complete list. I've been thinking of doing so for the past several weeks anyway so I might as well just do it. ;D 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 20, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
The only game on Sunday had undefeated #2 Rochester defeat Case Western Reserve on the road 88-66 to improve to 16-0.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2013, 03:09:11 PM

So I've been taking a closer look at UMPI today, as Eastern Nazarene decided to make the 800 mile round trip up there for a game today.

UMPI features three players from England, including 6'8" Senior Patrick Manifold, who is having a field day against ENC, who is missing their own 6'8" senior, Chima Ezeigbo, who, I assume, is at the dentist getting his front tooth fixed after losing it in the game on Saturday.

UMPI also features Sophomore Bob Wegner (who hasn't played today).  Listed at 7'8" - you read that right - he was once declared "the world's tallest teenager (http://www.thetallestman.com/bobwegner.htm)."

Anyway, this is an interesting roster to say the least.  I sure hope ENC can pull it out, but with the travel, fatigue, and missing their best player, it could be a tall order.  Not to mention they play on a sheet of ice in the dark at UMPI, you know, because of how far north it is.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2013, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 21, 2013, 03:09:11 PM

So I've been taking a closer look at UMPI today, as Eastern Nazarene decided to make the 800 mile round trip up there for a game today.

UMPI features three players from England, including 6'8" Senior Patrick Manifold, who is having a field day against ENC, who is missing their own 6'8" senior, Chima Ezeigbo, who, I assume, is at the dentist getting his front tooth fixed after losing it in the game on Saturday.

UMPI also features Sophomore Bob Wegner (who hasn't played today).  Listed at 7'8" - you read that right - he was once declared "the world's tallest teenager (http://www.thetallestman.com/bobwegner.htm)."

Anyway, this is an interesting roster to say the least.  I sure hope ENC can pull it out, but with the travel, fatigue, and missing their best player, it could be a tall order.  Not to mention they play on a sheet of ice in the dark at UMPI, you know, because of how far north it is.

Not only did he not play today, according to UMPI's stats he hasn't played a single minute all year.

Eastern Nazarene won a close one though, 70-68.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 21, 2013, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 21, 2013, 03:09:11 PM

So I've been taking a closer look at UMPI today, as Eastern Nazarene decided to make the 800 mile round trip up there for a game today.

UMPI features three players from England, including 6'8" Senior Patrick Manifold, who is having a field day against ENC, who is missing their own 6'8" senior, Chima Ezeigbo, who, I assume, is at the dentist getting his front tooth fixed after losing it in the game on Saturday.

UMPI also features Sophomore Bob Wegner (who hasn't played today).  Listed at 7'8" - you read that right - he was once declared "the world's tallest teenager (http://www.thetallestman.com/bobwegner.htm)."

Anyway, this is an interesting roster to say the least.  I sure hope ENC can pull it out, but with the travel, fatigue, and missing their best player, it could be a tall order.  Not to mention they play on a sheet of ice in the dark at UMPI, you know, because of how far north it is.

Not only did he not play today, according to UMPI's stats he hasn't played a single minute all year.

Eastern Nazarene won a close one though, 70-68.

I saw pictures of him playing in high school and I saw some "positive" quotes about him from the coach - something like "he certainly changes the game just by stepping onto the floor."

I could see some measure of difficulty moving well at that height.  His arms of ridiculously long - he's gotta be able to dunk without jumping.

He played in 15 games last year, never more than seven minutes, scoring 7 total points for the year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2013, 11:28:43 AM
Results from Monday January 21st:  Only 1 game on tap but the result was rather unexpected.

In Undefeated Pool action:

#1 St. Thomas  16-0              Lost at Concordia-Moorhead 54-52 on 1-21    The Tommies had won the earlier matchup in St. Paul back on December 3rd by a score of 93-64. Quite a turnaround by the Cobbers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Updated through 1-23-13:

Total of 3 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-23-13

Total of 4  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-23-13  (Piedmont not included)

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-23-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 16-0 Won at nonD3 St. Joseph's (Vt) 75-46 on 1-23 Next at Williams on 1-26                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:
 
#1 St. Thomas  16-0               Lost at Concordia-Moorhead 54-52 on 1-21
#2 Rochester  16-0                Won at Case Western Reserve 88-66 on 1-20  Next vs NYU on 1-25               
#6 WPI  19-0                        Won vs Springfield 69-66 on 1-23 Next at Babson on 1-30
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan       Principia 0-16     Lost  at St. Louis Pharmacy 76-75 in OT on 1-22 Next vs Spalding on 1-24    44 losses in a row
                               
2. sac             Franciscan 0-19  Lost vs Pitt-Greensburg 66-54 on 1-23 Next vs D'Youville on 1-26  45 losses in a row
                                   
                                     
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-17                                 Lost at Elmira 73-47 on 1-22 Next at St. John Fisher on 1-26   
Southern Vermont  0-17                      Lost at Becker 88-51 on 1-22  Next vs Daniel Webster on 1-26                     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 22, 2013, 02:05:51 PM
For the undefeated, best chance at a loss, per Massey (with the current percentage chance of winning):

Rochester - 2/10 @ Wash U AND 2/23 @ Emory (56%)
WPI - 2/13 @ MIT (60%)
Middlebury - 1/26 @ Williams (22%)

For the winless, the best chance at a win per Massey:

Principia - 1/29 @ Blackburn (28%) (St. Louis Pharma is 27%)
Franciscan - 1/26 vs. D'Youville (37%)
Houghton - 2/9 vs. Alfred (19%)
Southern Vermont - 1/31 vs. Wheelock (43%)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2013, 03:14:08 AM
Prin gives up 13 point 2nd half lead, goes up one with 9 seconds left in OT, but St Louis Pharma's  Gozie Utendo (no, not 'go see nintendo') scores at the buzzer for a St Louis Pharma win.... At the level these two teams play, it must have been a terrific game, back and forth at the end of regulation, and biggest margin  in OT was 2 points....

Prin stays winless and Sac and I continue the battle

As I mentioned before, Saturday Jan 26th now looms huge in this head to head... Prin takes on Lincoln Christian, whom Stl Pharma beat earlier, while Sac's Franciscan squad plays D'Youville, whom they lost to by only 3 earlier  ...  Franciscan also faces a threat from Pitt Greensburg tonight....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 23, 2013, 05:43:30 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 23, 2013, 03:14:08 AM
Prin gives up 13 point 2nd half lead, goes up one with 9 seconds left in OT, but St Louis Pharma's  Gozie Utendo (no, not 'go see nintendo') scores at the buzzer for a St Louis Pharma win.... At the level these two teams play, it must have been a terrific game, back and forth at the end of regulation, and biggest margin  in OT was 2 points....

Prin stays winless and Sac and I continue the battle

As I mentioned before, Saturday Jan 26th now looms huge in this head to head... Prin takes on Lincoln Christian, whom Stl Pharma beat earlier, while Sac's Franciscan squad plays D'Youville, whom they lost to by only 3 earlier  ...  Franciscan also faces a threat from Pitt Greensburg tonight....

In honor of the anniversary of Howard Cosell's famous call...Down goes Principia, Down goes Principia, Down goes Principia!!! 
I'm glad it wasn't... Down goes hopefan!! I'm glad you're still with us. Your heart must have been pumping big time at the thought of a Prin win. ;D

Can you get any closer to pulling out defeat from the jaws of victory?? ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 23, 2013, 06:35:21 AM
Results from Tuesday 1-22:

In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-16                          Lost  at St. Louis Pharmacy 76-75 in OT

Houghton  0-17                        Lost at Elmira 73-47

Southern Vermont  0-17             Lost at Becker 88-51
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 24, 2013, 12:25:15 AM
Results from Wednesday 1-23:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#3 Middlebury 16-0        Won at nonD3 St. Joseph's (Vt) 75-46

#6 WPI  19-0                 Won vs Springfield 69-66


In Winless Pool action

Franciscan 0-19             Lost vs Pitt-Greensburg 66-54 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 24, 2013, 12:40:18 AM
Updated through 1-26-13:

Total of 2 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-26-13

Total of 4  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-26-13  (Piedmont not included)

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-26-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 16-0 Lost at Williams 64-63 on 1-26                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:
 
#2 Rochester  17-0                Won vs NYU 65-50 on 1-25  Next vs Brandeis on 1-27               
#6 WPI  19-0                        Won vs Springfield 69-66 on 1-23 Next at Babson on 1-30
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan       Principia 0-18     Lost  at non D3 Lincoln Christian 77-58 on 1-26  Next at Blackburn on 1-29    46 losses in a row
                               
2. sac             Franciscan 0-20  Lost vs D'Youville 68-57 on 1-26  Next at Penn State-Behrend on 2-2  46 losses in a row
                                   
                                     
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-18                                 Lost at St. John Fisher 71-49 on 1-26  Next vs Nazareth 0n 1-29   
Southern Vermont  0-18                      Lost vs Daniel Webster 67-52 on 1-26 Next vs Williams on 1-29

                   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2013, 07:08:07 AM
Interesting point with our winless contest... Principia will catch up to Franciscan's 45 losses in a row when they lose to Spalding tonight (I'll go on record that you can wager your life savings on that loss)... and as I wrote before, both have real opportunities to end their streaks on Saturday... Quite frankly, I think they'll both do it....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 25, 2013, 06:28:22 AM
hopefan should be quite well off now as he doubled his life's saving wagering that Principia would lose last night and lose they did. (You did follow your own advice didn't you hopefan?) It was the only game on tap involving teams from this board.

Principia 0-17     Lost vs Spalding 106-64


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2013, 06:52:14 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 25, 2013, 06:28:22 AM
hopefan should be quite well off now as he doubled his life's saving wagering that Principia would lose last night and lose they did. It was the only game on tap involving teams from this board.

Principia 0-17     Lost vs Spalding 106-64

NO... life savings went to Prin plus 40.... HELP!!!!!

Want to see the line on someone who had a tough game, check out poor Matt Jones in this game with Spalding...  Coming off a 22 point game against Pharma, he runs into Spalding who just had their first league loss and probably has something to prove... They do it by beating Prin 106-64 and Matt, well, he evidently bore the brunt of it..

14 minutes played, 0 for 1 from the field, 1 rebound, 1 assist, 3 fouls, 10 turnovers...   ouch

Get a win on Saturday, Matt!!!!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 26, 2013, 02:18:48 AM
Friday night's results.   Only 1 game from our pools.

Rochester 17-0  Won vs NYU 65-50 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 26, 2013, 05:18:00 PM
Results for Saturday Jan. 26th

In Undefeated Pool action

#3 Middlebury  16-0        Lost at Williams 64-63

Middlebury blows a 63-56 lead with 4:21 left by failing to score another point the rest of the way. Williams comes back and wins on a layup with 31 seconds left to take a 64-63 lead. Middlebury was up 63-62 after Williams made 2 free throws but the Panthers turned it over and gave the Ephs the chance they needed. Middlebury had another chance but missed a jumper, got the offensive rebound and missed a 3 point attempt. Williams corralled the rebound and that was game.
My chance to become not only the winner of the Survivor Pool but to be the last undefeated team inn the country in back to back seasons falls just a little short. It's been a good two year run though. So an unclaimed team, either Rochester or WPI will win the Undefeated Pool.

In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-18                    Lost  at non D3 Lincoln Christian 77-58

Franciscan 0-20                Lost vs D'Youville 68-57

Southern Vermont 0-18      Lost vs Daniel Webster 67-52

Houghton  0-18                Lost at St. John Fisher 71-49   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 26, 2013, 05:26:08 PM
Franciscan 57 D'Youville 68

Not looking good for the Barons.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on January 26, 2013, 05:44:46 PM
Williams has an impact on this thread with a win over Midd.  Let's hope that's the last we see of them here for awhile because they play S. Vermont on Tuesday - don't want to give them their first win. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 26, 2013, 05:58:22 PM
Williams is ranked #13 in Massey. Southern Vermont is #409.

The PREDICTED score is 97-52.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2013, 08:20:30 PM
Down goes Prin    per the Principia site, Prin loses to Lincoln Christian, 58-77..
next up for Prin, at 1-18 Blackburn... and you know who Blackburn's one win was against....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 27, 2013, 12:38:39 PM
Wanted to check in with our adopted ladies at Medgar Evers. They are 0-19, but have at least cleared 30 points on a couple of occasions recently. It also looks like they added a couple of players after the break.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2013, 10:44:25 PM
I'm gonna predict that WPI wins the overall undefeated race.  They finish the season with games AT MIT, Springfield, and Clark (they might well lose one of those), but this week play at Babson (whom they beat by 33 at home), then host the pathetic duo of Coast Guard and Wheaton.  Meanwhile, Rochester should win at NYU, but I think their undefeated streak ends AT Brandeis.

At the other end of the food chain, I think Franciscan is now a veritable lock to finish winless; if Principia can somehow avoid beating Blackburn, the contest should end in a tie. 8-)  Among non-selected teams, Southern Vermont may have to evade a win at home against Wheelock, but otherwise should have an easy time staying winless (the game against Williams may set records!)  Houghton also looks pretty safe to avoid victory.  I'll predict four season-long winless teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2013, 06:56:43 AM
Might be fun next year to do something of a combo nature... women's AND men's.... as that will end quickly (would we have a winner by Christmas?), it might also be fun to follow top 10 and bottom 10 winning %.  In the SLIAC, a fan of men's hoops like myself can easily get caught up with the women's teams to, as all conference games are womens - mens doubleheaders....

Does anyone have the time to see who would have been the undefeated and winless combo champ this year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 28, 2013, 02:50:22 PM
Cairn men are 1-18
Cairn women are 0-17

Cal Tech men are 1-18
Cal Tech women are 0-18

best  worst I could find
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2013, 08:29:57 AM
Thanks Sac... that beats my Principia combo, where the ladies have 2 wins, both against St Louis Pharma

Anyway... Big one for Winless Prin   TONIGHT    Prin (0-18)  at Blackburn (1-18)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 29, 2013, 04:20:27 PM
In Undefeated Pool action on Sunday:

Rochester 18-0  Won vs Brandeis 69-65
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 29, 2013, 04:25:08 PM
Updated through 1-31-13:

Total of 2 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 1-31-13

Total of 3  Winless teams left in D3 through 1-31-13  (Piedmont not included)

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 1-31-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 16-0 Lost at Williams 64-63 on 1-26                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:
 
#1 Rochester  18-0                Won vs Brandeis 69-65 on 1-27  Next at NYU on 2-1               
#4 WPI  20-0                        Won at Babson 66-43 on 1-30  Next vs Coast Guard on 2-2
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan        Principia 0-19  Lost at Blackburn 74-63 on 1-29 Next vs Fontbonne on 2-2    47 losses in a row
                               
2. sac               Franciscan 0-20  Lost vs D'Youville 68-57 on 1-26  Next at Penn State-Behrend on 2-2  46 losses in a row
                                   
                                     
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-19                                 Lost vs Nazareth 81-75 on 1-29  Next at Alfred on 2-1   
Southern Vermont  0-19                      Won vs Wheelock 78-68 on 1-31  8-) 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 29, 2013, 04:42:02 PM
Southern Vermont has lost 27 in a row.

Houghton has lost 20 in a row.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 30, 2013, 08:01:01 AM
Prin goes down to Blackburn 74-63, to pretty much cement their 2nd winless season in a row..
Blackburn gets their 2nd win, both against Principia... Prin led the whole 1st half, but Blackburn took the lead early in the 2nd and built on it .. it was never close in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 31, 2013, 03:12:18 AM
Results from Tuesday and Wednesday  Jan. 29th & Jan. 30th:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#4 WPI  20-0                        Won at Babson 66-43  on 1-30


In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-19                   Lost at Blackburn 74-63 on 1-29

Houghton  0-19                 Lost vs Nazareth 81-75 on 1-29

Southern Vermont  0-19      Lost vs Williams 93-45 on 1-29   



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 31, 2013, 11:12:18 AM
Franciscan's next four are PSU-Behrend, LaRoche, Medaille and Mt. Aloysius.....the top 4 teams in the AMCC.  3 on the road.  Last game at Pitt-Bradford

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 31, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
Ok, we need a 'winless and others' classic to try to get these teams a win.

Eight teams - Alaskan Shootout Style

Fransican, Principia, Houghton, Southern Vermont, Cairn, Maine Maritime, Blackburn and Green Mountain.

Let's do it!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2013, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
Ok, we need a 'winless and others' classic to try to get these teams a win.

Eight teams - Alaskan Shootout Style

Fransican, Principia, Houghton, Southern Vermont, Cairn, Maine Maritime, Blackburn and Green Mountain.

Let's do it!

Winners go home, losers play again down to a grand loser
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 31, 2013, 08:59:29 PM
Southern Vermont trying to break out from the winless list in a big way as they lead Wheelock 56-34 with 15 minutes to play. Can the Mountaineers close the deal?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2013, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 31, 2013, 08:59:29 PM
Southern Vermont trying to break out from the winless list in a big way as they lead Wheelock 56-34 with 15 minutes to play. Can the Mountaineers close the deal?

Wheelock is terrible.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 31, 2013, 09:56:53 PM
Well, I'm sure Wheelock is a fine school (let's be careful and not throw the entire institution into the abyss). Also, they've won three, by hook, crook, or lucky scheduling, so bad hoops is probably better.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
Final:  Southern Vermont 78, Wheelock 68.  Break up the Mountaineers! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 31, 2013, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
Final:  Southern Vermont 78, Wheelock 68.  Break up the Mountaineers! ;D

This was the only game on tap tonight in our pools.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2013, 11:26:33 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2013, 09:56:53 PM
Well, I'm sure Wheelock is a fine school (let's be careful and not throw the entire institution into the abyss). Also, they've won three, by hook, crook, or lucky scheduling, so bad hoops is probably better.

They were a women's only school until just recently, so it's more than understandable that their men's sports programs are having trouble.  I'm sure they'll get there eventually.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2013, 12:03:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2013, 11:26:33 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2013, 09:56:53 PM
Well, I'm sure Wheelock is a fine school (let's be careful and not throw the entire institution into the abyss). Also, they've won three, by hook, crook, or lucky scheduling, so bad hoops is probably better.

They were a women's only school until just recently, so it's more than understandable that their men's sports programs are having trouble.  I'm sure they'll get there eventually.

Actually, having a 8:1 ratio of F:M ought to be quite an appealing recruiting pitch for hormonal 18-year-olds!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 01, 2013, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
Final:  Southern Vermont 78, Wheelock 68.  Break up the Mountaineers! ;D

Wheelock had beaten So. Vermont earlier this year 64-55.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 01, 2013, 02:36:26 AM
Updated through 2-6-13:

Total of 1 Undefeated team left in D3 through 2-6-13 making unclaimed WPI  the winner of the Undefeated Pool. Last year's winner, Middlebury, was undefeated until January 31st before suffering their 1st loss.  The Engineers will last until at least Feb. 6th this year.

Total of 3  Winless teams left in D3 through 2-6-13  (Piedmont not included)

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 2-6-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 16-0 Lost at Williams 64-63 on 1-26                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:
 
#1 Rochester  18-0                Lost at NYU 65-51 on 2-1               
#4 WPI  22-0                        Won vs Wheaton (Mass.) 86-59 on 2-6 Next at Springfield on 2-9
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan        Principia 0-20     Postponed at Webster on 2-5 Next at MacMurray on 2-9    48 losses in a row
                               
2. sac              Franciscan 0-22     Lost at La Roche 86-59 on 2-6  Next vs medaille on 2-9  48 losses in a row
                                   
                                     
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-22                                 Lost vs St. John Fisher 75-62 on 2-5 Next vs Alfred on 2-9... If they don't win this one they won't win their next one against Ithaca, which is their last game.
 
Southern Vermont  0-19                      Won vs Wheelock 78-68 on 1-31  8-) 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2013, 11:43:46 AM
Did a little review of point spreads for our winless 3, and the way I look at it Prin is 'the most winless'... which I could remember my stats courses to be formal, but NO

Prin has lost 3 games by 3 or less, and 4 by less than 10,  but 11 of their 20 losses have been by 20 or more, 8 by 30 or more, 6 by 40 or more


Franciscan has lost 1 game by 3 or less, and 4 by less than 10,  with 7 of their 20 losses having been by 20 or more, 2 by 30 or more, 1 by 40 or more

Houghton has lost 1 games by 3 or less, BUT 7 by less than 10,  with 9 of their 20 losses having been by 20 or more, only 2 by 30 or more, and none by 40 or more



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2013, 12:24:21 PM
Just got confirmation that Pat is going to Medgar Evers on Monday on the last day of his New England tour to cover the winless ladies!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: northb on February 01, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 31, 2013, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
Ok, we need a 'winless and others' classic to try to get these teams a win.

Eight teams - Alaskan Shootout Style

Fransican, Principia, Houghton, Southern Vermont, Cairn, Maine Maritime, Blackburn and Green Mountain.

Let's do it!


Winners go home, losers play again down to a grand loser
Then we will have to place the tournament in some place they would not like to stay, perhaps Cleveland?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2013, 11:17:05 AM
Rochester fell from the unbeaten ranks one game earlier than I had predicted, losing to NYU by FOURTEEN.  NYU was on a 4-game losing streak.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 02, 2013, 06:59:05 PM
Results of 2-1 and 2-2

In Undefeated Pool action:

#1 Rochester  18-0                Lost at NYU 65-51 on 2-1 

WPI wins the Undefeated Pool as the last unbeaten team in D3. Who'da thunk it at the beginning of the year. Certainly none of the players in the Survivor Pool as WPI went unclaimed. I'm happy about that. ;D

#4 WPI  21-0                        Won vs Coast Guard 89-53 on 2-2





In Winless Pool action:

Houghton  0-20                                 Lost at Alfred 89-67 on 2-1
Houghton  0-21                                 Lost vs Ithaca 74-65 on 2-2

Principia 0-20                                   Lost vs Fontbonne 78-55 on 2-2

Franciscan 0-20                                Lost at Penn State-Behrend 88-36 on 2-2  They lost by 16 points more than they scored!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 02, 2013, 10:30:35 PM
WPI has only two games left with teams with realistic chances of beating them : MIT and Springfield.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 02, 2013, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 02, 2013, 06:59:05 PM

Franciscan 0-20                                Lost at Penn State-Behrend 88-36 on 2-2  They lost by 16 points more than they scored!

If you're going to go down, go down big
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2013, 10:33:44 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 02, 2013, 10:30:35 PM
WPI has only two games left with teams with realistic chances of beating them : MIT and Springfield.

WPI closes out the season playing the current #2-#4 teams in the NEWMAC on the road. They've already beat each of those teams at home this year (MIT and Springfield were both close games, Clark was a bit more comfortable). Will be interesting to see how they fare on the road, as their conference schedule was front loaded with home games. They really don't have any big road win this season, with their current best wins away from Worcester being at St. Joe's (Maine) and at Salem State (who has nose dived lately after starting the season pretty strong). Their two biggest (regular-season) road games are definitely still to come.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 06, 2013, 05:12:00 AM
Results from Tuesday night:

In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-20     Postponed at Webster on 2-5 Next at MacMurray on 2-9 The game was postponed because Principia did not have enough players. The game will be rescheduled.

hopefan has found a new way to try and win the Winless Pool. He must have shanghaied a few of the Prin players.


Houghton  0-22                                 Lost vs St. John Fisher 75-62 on 2-5 Next vs Alfred on 2-9... If they don't win this one they won't win their next one against Ithaca, which is their last one.


Our fearless leader Mr. Coleman did attend the Medgar Evers ladies game the other night. And while they still are, in Pat's words, "gettin their doors blown off" and lost 88-44 to John Jay they did manage to score their 2nd highest point total of the year.
I guess they weren't about to embarass themselves by scoring 5, 6, 7, 9, or 10 with the D3hoops Guru in the house and blogging about them. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 06, 2013, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 06, 2013, 05:12:00 AM
Results from Tuesday night:

In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-20     Postponed at Webster on 2-5 Next at MacMurray on 2-9 The game was postponed because Principia did not have enough players. The game will be rescheduled.

hopefan has found a new way to try and win the Winless Pool. He must have shanghaied a few of the Prin players.



I just went over to Elsah and coughed a couple of times...   half their team then came down with the same flu bug that's been ripping me up!!!!   ::) ::)   Actually i hope they don't have what I have... their season would be in danger!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2013, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 06, 2013, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 06, 2013, 05:12:00 AM
Results from Tuesday night:

In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-20     Postponed at Webster on 2-5 Next at MacMurray on 2-9 The game was postponed because Principia did not have enough players. The game will be rescheduled.

hopefan has found a new way to try and win the Winless Pool. He must have shanghaied a few of the Prin players.



I just went over to Elsah and coughed a couple of times...   half their team then came down with the same flu bug that's been ripping me up!!!!   ::) ::)   Actually i hope they don't have what I have... their season would be in danger!
Actually, they knew of your intentions as you approached.  They had their immunity up when you coughed and the "Science" will keep them healthy, this time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 07, 2013, 05:00:59 AM
Results of Wednesday 2-6:

In Undefeated Pool action:

#4 WPI  22-0                        Won vs Wheaton (Mass.) 86-59


In Winless Pool action

Franciscan 0-22                     Lost at La Roche 86-59
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: with age came? on February 08, 2013, 07:50:02 PM
As Magicman knows I'm a little "long in the tooth" but I thnk I still have eligibility left - maybe I'll call the AD at Principia and offer my services? :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 09, 2013, 07:44:20 AM
In Winless Pool action on Friday night:

Houghton  0-23         Lost at Utica 86-81
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 09, 2013, 07:58:31 AM
Quote from: with age came? on February 08, 2013, 07:50:02 PM
As Magicman knows I'm a little "long in the tooth" but I thnk I still have eligibility left - maybe I'll call the AD at Principia and offer my services? :D

If you've got half the moves of your son you'd be a starter for Principia. ;D But you don't have to travel all the way out to Illinois, give the AD at Houghton a call they're only 67 miles down the road from you. They may not be short of players like Prin but they sure could use an infusion of a little talent. You need to hurry though, at 0-23 they've only got 2 chances left for a win. :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 09, 2013, 07:59:08 AM
Updated through 2-10-13:

Total of 0 Undefeated team left in D3 through 2-10-13 making unclaimed WPI  the winner of the Undefeated Pool. Last year's winner, Middlebury, was undefeated until January 31st before suffering their 1st loss.  The Engineers  lasted until Feb. 10th this year.

Total of 2  Winless teams left in D3 through 2-10-13  (Piedmont not included)

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 2-10-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 16-0 Lost at Williams 64-63 on 1-26                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:
                 
#4 WPI  22-0                        Lost at Springfield 66-60 on 2-10. The last undefeated team falls.
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan        Principia 0-21       Lost vs MacMurray 88-77 on 2-9 next at Greenville on 2-12   49 losses in a row
                               
2. sac              Franciscan 0-23     Lost vs Medaille 83-62 on 2-9  Next at Mount Aloysius on 2-13   49 losses in a row
                                   
                                     
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-23             Won vs Alfred 89-85 on 2-9.   Finally the Highlanders claim a victory and in the E8 conference at that!


Nice to see that the winner of the Winless Pool won't be an unclaimed team. It's looking more and more like a shared crown between our last two surviving players.
 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 09, 2013, 09:13:57 AM
87 losses in a row?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 09, 2013, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 09, 2013, 09:13:57 AM
87 losses in a row?

I think one of those guys with super powers is messing with me. I have made the correction. Thanks smeds.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 09, 2013, 11:22:38 AM
Franciscan has lost 48 in a row, they lost the last two games of 2011 after beating D'Youville.

0-24 last year, 0-22 thus far this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 09, 2013, 01:00:58 PM
Quote from: sac on February 09, 2013, 11:22:38 AM
Franciscan has lost 48 in a row, they lost the last two games of 2011 after beating D'Youville.

0-24 last year, 0-22 thus far this year.

sac,
I made the correction at 9:33 this morning. I've had their correct total all along, must have hit the wrong number when I was updating the previous post a day or so ago. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 09, 2013, 11:16:37 PM
Franciscan 62 Medaille 83

The Barons final home game of the season, they'll head on the road out of Steubenville to Mt. Aloysius and Pitt-Bradford next.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 10, 2013, 08:40:29 PM
Results of 2-9 and 2-10

In Undefeated Pool action:

#4 WPI  22-0        Lost at Springfield 66-60 on 2-10 The last undefeated team falls.


In Winless Pool action:

Principia 0-21        Lost vs MacMurray 88-77 on 2-9

Franciscan 0-23     Lost vs Medaille 83-62 on 2-9

Houghton  0-23     WON vs Alfred 89-85 on 2-9 Probably their only chance for a win as they had to face Ithaca in their last game.
                                                                                Hooray for the Highlanders!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2013, 09:56:27 PM
Watch out for Principia at Greenville on Tuesday... Greenville lost 4 regulars recently.. and has been using a number of players who were seeing limited minutes or playing JV earlier in the season... Prin really stepped it up on Saturday against a Mac team badly depleted by injury... if they do the same vs Greenville, this game will be very competitive....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 10, 2013, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 10, 2013, 09:56:27 PM
Watch out for Principia at Greenville on Tuesday... Greenville lost 4 regulars recently.. and has been using a number of players who were seeing limited minutes or playing JV earlier in the season... Prin really stepped it up on Saturday against a Mac team badly depleted by injury... if they do the same vs Greenville, this game will be very competitive....

Don't get my hopes up hopefan, thats not nice.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 11, 2013, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: sac on February 10, 2013, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 10, 2013, 09:56:27 PM
Watch out for Principia at Greenville on Tuesday... Greenville lost 4 regulars recently.. and has been using a number of players who were seeing limited minutes or playing JV earlier in the season... Prin really stepped it up on Saturday against a Mac team badly depleted by injury... if they do the same vs Greenville, this game will be very competitive....

Don't get my hopes up hopefan, thats not nice.

Don't stay awake all night... ;D ;D

Note also that Prin has 4 games left, Franciscan just 2... if Prin does lose out, they'll finish the year at 53 in a row to Fran's 51....   Both are at 49 right now....

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2013, 09:37:58 PM
Sac   are you there????   Prin winning by 9 at half at Greenville!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2013, 11:05:50 PM
yikes, Prin loses by 47 in 2nd half...well they won the 1st half!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 12, 2013, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 12, 2013, 11:05:50 PM
yikes, Prin loses by 47 in 2nd half...well they won the 1st half!!!!

No one was gonna get excited unless Prin was up 9 with 1 minute to go!  With some teams you just have confidence in their ability to fail - Prin and Franciscan just being primary examples.

(I miss UMPI being a perennial punching bag; Caltech, too - they always seem to win ONE.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 12, 2013, 11:18:00 PM
this might have been a carefully orchestrated ruse to get my hopes up.  Hopefan has some connections in the sliac.

Principia 60 Greenville 98
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2013, 08:45:10 AM
Speaking of Prin, let's not overlook the Prin ladies' performance.. the women are winless in conference, and 2-18 overall, both wins coming over St Louis Pharmacy... one individual's performance caught my eye last night in Prin's 73 - 46 loss to Greenville... check out Sarah Corbit's box score line... she played the whole 40 minutes (just like the men's team, the women dress only 7 players), and had a woeful shooting night.. 4 - 31 from the field, 0-17 from 3's.

Wonder if the NCAA keeps the record for most missed 3's without a make in a game? 
Note, this is not the norm for Sarah, who averages 19 ppg, shoots 25% form 3's, and makes 2.6 3's per game....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 13, 2013, 09:43:38 AM
Shooters keep shooting!

BTW, Principia was only the 4th worst program when you aggregate the women and the men's Massey ratings. Wheelock was at the bottom, with Cairn and Southern Vermont below Principia.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2013, 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 13, 2013, 09:43:38 AM
Shooters keep shooting!

BTW, Principia was only the 4th worst program when you aggregate the women and the men's Massey ratings. Wheelock was at the bottom, with Cairn and Southern Vermont below Principia.

Wow  those others must really be hurting....  I looked up St Louis Pharma, the only team the ladies beat... they are only 2-18 also, having beaten Crowley's Ridge, and the infamous Faith Baptist Bible... yes THAT Faith Baptist whose men's team gave up 130 some to the kid from Grinnel...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 13, 2013, 11:08:47 AM
Principia's women are actually only 416 out of 436. So while poor, not the worst.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2013, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 13, 2013, 11:08:47 AM
Principia's women are actually only 416 out of 436. So while poor, not the worst.

Looking at their record and scores, I'm not sure I can see 20 teams being worse, but then I am not very familiar with the level of Women's hoops in other parts of the country   (believe me, SLIAC women's hoops is not real strong  ::) ::))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 13, 2013, 11:45:44 AM
The Colonial States, NECC and NEAC seem to have the dregs of the women's teams. The bottom teams keep 'beating up' each other and losing by large margins to others.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on February 13, 2013, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 13, 2013, 11:45:44 AM
The Colonial States, NECC and NEAC seem to have the dregs of the women's teams. The bottom teams keep 'beating up' each other and losing by large margins to others.

Plymouth state at 1-21 and who have lost 20 straight games should be in the running as well.  They've been held to 33 or less in the last 3 games and 39 or less 4 of the last 5 games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 13, 2013, 01:32:37 PM
They're only 401st in the Women's rankings, and while the men are bad too they're combined not bad enough to get into the 'bottom' 25.

Over 400 of the women are pretty bad teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 14, 2013, 02:26:32 AM
Franciscan 60 Mt. Aloysius 81

Franciscan's season concludes Saturday at 12-12 Pitt-Bradford.


I call dibs on the Baron's in 2013-14.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 14, 2013, 03:51:38 AM
Updated through 2-18-13:

Total of 0 Undefeated team left in D3 through 2-18-13 making unclaimed WPI  the winner of the Undefeated Pool. Last year's winner, Middlebury, was undefeated until January 31st before suffering their 1st loss.  The Engineers  lasted until Feb. 10th this year.

Total of 2  Winless teams left in D3 through 2-18-13  (Piedmont not included)

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 2-18-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 16-0 Lost at Williams 64-63 on 1-26                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:
                 
#4 WPI  22-0                        Lost at Springfield 66-60 on 2-10. The last undefeated team falls.
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan        Principia 0-24       Lost vs Eureka 86-54 on 2-16   52 losses in a row
                                                     Lost at Webster 89-67 on 2-18  Final game tonight 2-19 at Westminster (Mo.)
                               
2. sac              Franciscan 0-25      Lost at Pitt-Bradford 67-52 on 2-16   51 losses in a row  Season is complete.
                                   
                                   
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-23             Won vs Alfred 89-85 on 2-9.   Finally the Highlanders claim a victory and in the E8 conference at that!


Nice to see that the winner of the Winless Pool won't be an unclaimed team. It's looking more and more like a shared crown between our last two surviving players.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on February 14, 2013, 12:42:22 PM
As the season winds down i can only say what if Cornell College didn't have off nights? 

Last year my winless pick was Millikin.  They finished with a record of 1-24, winning only against Cornell 58-57, holding on thanks to a missed buzzer-beater.

This year I went with Knox.  With only a game against 16-6 Carroll remaining on their schedule they will almost certainly end up at 1-22.  Cornell was once again their only victim, falling 84-80.  And Cornell really isn't all that bad.  They're always good for a few wins each year.

There must be some kind of consolation prize for finishing 2-46 over a two year period   :'(. 

Millikin, btw, has to be the turnaround team of the year in D-3.  They've gone from back-to-back one win seasons to a rising force in the tough CCIW, nearly competing for a conference tournament spot, and playing virtually all freshmen.  Their second year coach, Matt Nadelhoffer, should be the CCIW coach of the year in my opinion, though Ron Rose of conference unbeaten Illinois Wesleyan is also deserving, and will probably get the award.  Rose wasn't buried in the dungeon the way Nadelhoffer was, so I would say his was the greater coaching success.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 14, 2013, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: augie77 on February 14, 2013, 12:42:22 PM
As the season winds down i can only say what if Cornell College didn't have off nights? 

Last year my winless pick was Millikin.  They finished with a record of 1-24, winning only against Cornell 58-57, holding on thanks to a missed buzzer-beater.

This year I went with Knox.  With only a game against 16-6 Carroll remaining on their schedule they will almost certainly end up at 1-22.  Cornell was once again their only victim, falling 84-80.  And Cornell really isn't all that bad.  They're always good for a few wins each year.

There must be some kind of consolation prize for finishing 2-46 over a two year period   :'(. 

Millikin, btw, has to be the turnaround team of the year in D-3.  They've gone from back-to-back one win seasons to a rising force in the tough CCIW, nearly competing for a conference tournament spot, and playing virtually all freshmen.  Their second year coach, Matt Nadelhoffer, should be the CCIW coach of the year in my opinion, though Ron Rose of conference unbeaten Illinois Wesleyan is also deserving, and will probably get the award.  Rose wasn't buried in the dungeon the way Nadelhoffer was, so I would say his was the greater coaching success.

Very bizarre... I suggest picking someone who doesn't play Cornell next year, and just to be sure, make sure they don't play the one in Ithaca, either ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 16, 2013, 09:44:52 PM
Franciscan 52 Pitt-Bradford 67

Franciscan was right in this one until it was 20-2 in favor of Pitt-Bradford 8 minutes into the game.

The Barons season is over at 0-25. :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 19, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
In Winless Pool action

Principia 0-23       Lost vs Eureka 86-54 on 2-16   51 losses in a row

Principia 0-24        Lost at Webster 89-67 on 2-18  52 losses in  a row  Final game tonight 2-19 at Westminster (Mo.)


Franciscan 0-25      Lost at Pitt-Bradford 67-52 on 2-16   51 losses in a row  Season is complete.


Barring an upset of epic proportion tonight it would appear that hopefan and sac will be co-champs of the Winless Pool.  Two excellent choices that ended up as the only winless schools left in D3. It will be interesting next year to see which of these schools is the first one to claim a victory and put an end to the losing streaks that are both over 50 games and counting.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 19, 2013, 07:59:35 PM
Updated through 2-19-13:

Total of 0 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 2-19-13 making unclaimed WPI  the winner of the Undefeated Pool. Last year's winner, Middlebury, was undefeated until January 31st before suffering their 1st loss.  The Engineers  lasted until Feb. 10th this year.

Total of 2  Winless teams left in D3 through 2-19-13  (Piedmont not included)

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 2-19-13:

UNDEFEATED POOL       magicman and Middlebury were winners of the Undefeated Survivor's  pool 
                                                   
1. magicman             #3 Middlebury 16-0 Lost at Williams 64-63 on 1-26                       
                     
   
Undefeated teams that were never claimed:
                 
#4 WPI  22-0                        Lost at Springfield 66-60 on 2-10. The last undefeated team falls.
 

         



WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Terrible Two

                                   
1. hopefan        Principia 0-25       Lost vs Eureka 86-54 on 2-16   
                                                     Lost at Webster 89-67 on 2-18   
                                                     Lost at Westminster 85-68 on 2-19   53 losses in a row.  Season is complete


2. sac              Franciscan 0-25      Lost at Pitt-Bradford 67-52 on 2-16   51 losses in a row  Season is complete.
                                   
                                   
                                                                                                   
Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton  0-23             Won vs Alfred 89-85 on 2-9.   Finally the Highlanders claim a victory and in the E8 conference at that!


Nice to see that the winner of the Winless Pool won't be an unclaimed team. It's looking more and more like a shared crown between our last two surviving players.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 19, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Sigh. Two winless too many...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on February 19, 2013, 11:52:53 PM
Our final Winless Pool game of the year:

hopefan's   Principia 0-25          Lost at Westminster 85-68 on 2-19   53 losses in a row.  Season is complete


sac's          Franciscan 0-25      Lost at Pitt-Bradford 67-52 on 2-16   51 losses in a row  Season is complete

Congratulations to our 2 Winless Pool co-winners

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2013, 10:50:01 AM
It's an honor to share the crown with an individual held in such high esteem on these boards!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 20, 2013, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 20, 2013, 10:50:01 AM
It's an honor to share the crown with an individual held in such high esteem on these boards!!!!

I thought I tied with hopefan?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on May 30, 2013, 10:24:46 PM
I found something that would have formerly been of note for this board...

http://www.dailyfinance.com/photos/12-colleges-that-arent-worth-the-money/#!slide=5861589

UMPI is one of the 12 colleges that aren't worth the money, at least according to this list.

There are some other current D-III schools, such as Lakeland (Sorry Old School!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on August 23, 2013, 03:41:25 AM
Who would have Ever thought that being a co winner of the D3hoops winless pool in 2012-13 would lead to this for Franciscan?       (Posted  on Franciscan site)

Franciscan University Basketball to play University of Kentucky


John Calipari, the University of Kentucky Men's Basketball head coach and John Lamanna, Franciscan University head coach, have agreed to play an exhibition game at University of Kentucky's Rupp Arena in November of 2014.

Calipari, who was a guest speaker at the Baron Club fundraiser, extended the offer to Lammana over dinner and then announced it to the audience at the Baron Club during his speech. Franciscan and Kentucky have been working out the details since.

"This is a huge opportunity, not only for the men's basketball program, but for the university," Lamanna said.

The University of Kentucky Wildcats, the 2012 DI National Champions, will provide the Barons with an opportunity to learn from one of the best basketball teams in the nation on any level, giving the Barons a once in a lifetime team experience.

"We talk about a championship experience in mind, body, and spirit here at Franciscan basketball." Lamanna said. "This is speaking to that experience where we are playing a previous national champion at the DI level and a potential future national champion at the DI level."

Exhibition games occur in the pre-season and allow each team to prepare for their regular season games by priming the players for competition. Typically, Division I schools host two exhibition games per year against non-DI opponents. Top DI schools such as Kentucky usually play top DII and DIII programs.

"It's a program changing opportunity that truly legitimizes us as a NCAA DIII men's basketball program." Lamanna said. "We'll be able to take some real positives from this opportunity."

With nine of their current eleven players freshman or sophomores, including forward Joseph Rine who is 5th in D-III in blocks per game, the Barons will field their most competitive team in recent history for the exhibition.

"It will be the best team we've had since I've been a coach here," Lamanna said.

The basketball program will also benefit from a fundraising standpoint. Division I schools pay lower level opponents to play in exhibition games. In the case of Franciscan University, playing Kentucky could be one of the biggest fundraising opportunities in the history of Franciscan Athletics.

The date for the exhibition game is yet to be decided but is expected to fall sometime in November of 2014. Tickets will be available as the game date grows closer
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on August 23, 2013, 10:20:50 AM
  Just saw at my health club yesterday a player from my winless pick last year(Bard) diligently working on his game; however, I didn't interrupt him to talk about prospects for the coming year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 23, 2013, 01:16:01 PM

Is it too early to claim the Thomas More women in the survivor pool?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on August 23, 2013, 03:14:33 PM
Seems it would be an astute selection!!!! :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on August 24, 2013, 02:11:09 AM
Quote from: hopefan on August 23, 2013, 03:41:25 AM
Who would have Ever thought that being a co winner of the D3hoops winless pool in 2012-13 would lead to this for Franciscan?       (Posted  on Franciscan site)

Franciscan University Basketball to play University of Kentucky


I.........hmmm..........wait.........what?.........so..........how?...........Kentucky?..............!@$!@#............is this serious?........I mean?.........51 losses in a row...........@#^$@...........what?.............how?...........possible?..............makes no...........what the ^*#%#@.............is Calipari?............how?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on August 24, 2013, 02:50:19 AM
                                        PLEASE NOTE





Just a note to let everybody know that there will be a new method of selecting teams for the Undefeated and Winless Pools for this coming season.

Earlier this summer hopefan emailed me and suggested that we change the way that teams are selected for the Undefeated Pool since it has been sort of haphazardly done the past few years. Out of the blue someone decides to choose the Top Ranked Team in the Preseason Poll as their team which starts a run on the other top ranked teams and meanwhile a number of regular players didn't even realize that selections were being made. This has been done earlier and earlier it seems and this year I suspect someone will grab the defending champ on September 1st which will start a run on the other expected preseason favorites and by the time practice starts on October 15th all the good teams (and some that aren't so good) will be gone. Likewise the same applies to the Winless Pool.

So in an effort to make it fair for all players wishing to participate we are probably going to institute some form of a draft, for both pools. Details of exactly how and when the draft will take place will be posted on this board in plenty of time so everyone will be able to participate that wishes to do so. I imagine all the regulars from the past few years will be back and any new players will be welcomed as well. Stay tuned for further details as we get closer to the opening of the 2013-14 Hoop Season. In the meantime potential players should consider the choices they would most likely want in each pool. Several backups should be considered for both pools since very few players will probably get their #1 choice in either contest.

Sign ups for the contests will not begin until 12:01 AM on October 15th. At that time players can announce their intention to participate in one or both contests (Undefeated or Winless or Both) The actual draft will not take place until early November in order to give all schools time to post their roster along with their schedules, and also to give players plenty of time to join the contest as well as time to consider their possible choices. Draft details will be posted at a later date so stay tuned to this page and check in from time to time. It doesn't matter if you sign up on Oct. 15th or the day before the actual draft as that will have no bearing on what position you will get to draft your teams. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on August 24, 2013, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: magicman on August 24, 2013, 02:50:19 AM
                                        PLEASE NOTE





Just a note to let everybody know that there will be a new method of selecting teams for the Undefeated and Winless Pools for this coming season.

Earlier this summer hopefan emailed me and suggested that we change the way that teams are selected for the Undefeated Pool since it has been sort of haphazardly done the past few years. Out of the blue someone decides to choose the Top Ranked Team in the Preseason Poll as their team which starts a run on the other top ranked teams and meanwhile a number of regular players didn't even realize that selections were being made. This has been done earlier and earlier it seems and this year I suspect someone will grab the defending champ on September 1st which will start a run on the other expected preseason favorites and by the time practice starts on October 15th all the good teams (and some that aren't so good) will be gone. Likewise the same applies to the Winless Pool.

So in an effort to make it fair for all players wishing to participate we are probably going to institute some form of a draft, for both pools. Details of exactly how and when the draft will take place will be posted on this board in plenty of time so everyone will be able to participate that wishes to do so. I imagine all the regulars from the past few years will be back and any new players will be welcomed as well. Stay tuned for further details as we get closer to the opening of the 2013-14 Hoop Season. In the meantime potential players should consider the choices they would most likely want in each pool. Several backups should be considered for both pools since very few players will probably get their #1 choice in either contest.

Sign ups for the contests will not begin until 12:01 AM on October 15th. At that time players can announce their intention to participate in one or both contests (Undefeated or Winless or Both) The actual draft will not take place until early November in order to give all schools time to post their roster along with their schedules, and also to give players plenty of time to join the contest as well as time to consider their possible choices. Draft details will be posted at a later date so stay tuned to this page and check in from time to time. It doesn't matter if you sign up on Oct. 15th or the day before the actual draft as that will have no bearing on what position you will get to draft your teams. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.   

I hope everybody agrees with this....  it's been a lot of fun the last couple of years... and this serves to make it fair for all for selection....  of course, I HOPE I still get a shot at Prin in the winless, but heck, there are many other loveable losers out there!!   Sign up early and spread the word.. And I'm sure Magic is open to considering any suggestions for the set up.....

SUGGESTION 1... Sorry, Hoops fan... D3 MEN's teams only!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 24, 2013, 01:04:35 PM

Just so you're all aware, I'm just going to pick the team I think will go undefeated the longest and I have no qualms at all about other people making the same pick.

I will try to make it before anyone else does strictly for personal pride, but I'm really only doing so here so there's a public record of said selection.

Feel free to disparage or congratulate me as you see fit.

That is all.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on August 25, 2013, 03:23:30 PM
I'll take Calvin for undefeated and Hope for winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on August 26, 2013, 05:05:08 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on August 25, 2013, 03:23:30 PM
I'll take Calvin for undefeated and Hope for winless.
first in.........first out.


btw, regardless of any ground rules I'm picking Franciscan because at 0 for their last 51 and practically my own personal mascot, I have to.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on August 27, 2013, 02:20:52 PM
Quote from: magicman on August 24, 2013, 02:50:19 AM
...Out of the blue someone decides to choose the Top Ranked Team in the Preseason Poll as their team which starts a run on the other top ranked teams ...
...This has been done earlier and earlier it seems and this year I suspect someone will grab the defending champ on September 1st which will start a run on the other expected preseason favorites...
...in order to give all schools time to post their roster along with their schedules...

I thought the unpredictability of when the selections start, the run on "best" picks, and complete lack of research or preparation was the entire fun of this "contest".
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on August 27, 2013, 06:36:35 PM
Damn, I was going to take Western Connecticut for the undefeated and Eastern Connecticut for the winless, but I guess I'll wait for a draft.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on August 27, 2013, 08:15:47 PM
uuuuhhhhh, Magic, it appears we're fighting a losing battle..... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on August 28, 2013, 02:09:56 PM
Quote from: hopefan on August 27, 2013, 08:15:47 PM
uuuuhhhhh, Magic, it appears we're fighting a losing battle..... ;D ;D ;D

Apparently we're old school hopefan and our sense of fair play in ingrained into us because of the era we grew up in. ;) I could care less really, just thought your idea to give everyone an equal opportunity to have a chance at the better teams through a draft or something was a good one and would compensate for the players that have no chance at a decent team due to the early body snatchers. There may be others out there that want a draft and we still have time to get more feedback.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 29, 2013, 08:09:56 AM
As the starter of the landrush last season I declare I have no problems with a draft. The question is how would positions be determined? Reverse order of results from last season (with expansion teams [new pickers] at the end)? Everyone send a representative to the League HQ to watch the ping pong balls drawn behind closed doors with the results announced live at halftime of a big football game? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 29, 2013, 08:10:44 AM
If you're really old school you'd remember it was never an exclusive draft.  Everyone was always free to choose the same school as someone else - and many years there were multiple winners.  It was just that some people had enough pride and, of their own volition, chose not to copy others.

There was never a rule about exclusivity.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on August 29, 2013, 08:44:19 AM
of course, multiple winners with the same team would have to split the prize money... and who would get the trophy?  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on August 29, 2013, 11:47:32 AM
Quote from: hopefan on August 29, 2013, 08:44:19 AM
of course, multiple winners with the same team would have to split the prize money... and who would get the trophy?  ::) ::) ::)

Threaten to split it in half, and which ever winner would rather the trophy stay in one piece instead of be split is the true mother, er, winner?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on August 29, 2013, 03:44:43 PM
For me, the REAL fun is when we get down to brass tacks and move from the contest portion to the WILL THIS TEAM WIN / LOSE A GAME portion...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on August 29, 2013, 04:55:58 PM
Didn't seem like we had too many duplicates last year but if we go down that path again - just have folks indicate the game they think their team will lose (or win) and the score on that game - so even if 2 folks pick the same game their points won't likely match up. 

with all that said, I'm fine with a draft too. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 04, 2013, 10:37:39 AM
I would prefer to wait for Friday, Nov. 1 at 12:00 am to have any selections made official. If you want to be up at that time, more power to you.

Picking teams in August is a bit much, IMO.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 04, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
I suppose I wouldn't mind a draft either. Its September 4, we have plenty of time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on September 04, 2013, 06:49:34 PM
grudgingly going along with a draft

..but the defending champs should get first picks.  (just throwing that out there ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on September 04, 2013, 07:45:47 PM
Instead of a draft, why not an auction?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 04, 2013, 08:51:45 PM
Or a lottery? I'm thinking of a number between one and 412 ...

Seriously, though, a draft is the way to go.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on September 05, 2013, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 04, 2013, 08:51:45 PM
Or a lottery? I'm thinking of a number between one and 412 ...

Seriously, though, a draft is the way to go.

Hmm.. I'm really liking the lottery idea... can I choose that when it's my turn to pick in the draft?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 21, 2013, 09:25:52 AM
I think I will give everyone until Sunday November 3rd to get their name in the hat for the survivor pool draft.

Sunday evening I will draw cards for the draft order. Any problems with that?



By the way I find it ridiculous that we have to resort to a draft to pick a survivor team. LOL :-) I would have been content with just setting a date and saying you can't pick a team until then. I will admit I was a little surprised when posters were picking teams in August. I guess some of us are a little more hardcore than others. But thats just me.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 22, 2013, 06:14:31 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 21, 2013, 09:25:52 AM
I think I will give everyone until Sunday November 3rd to get their name in the hat for the survivor pool draft.

Sunday evening I will draw cards for the draft order. Any problems with that?



By the way I find it ridiculous that we have to resort to a draft to pick a survivor team. LOL :-) I would have been content with just setting a date and saying you can't pick a team until then. I will admit I was a little surprised when posters were picking teams in August. I guess some of us are a little more hardcore than others. But thats just me.

Or that people feel unable to choose a team someone else already picked - which was never, ever the case unless it was self imposed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 22, 2013, 10:26:30 AM
It's not a big deal to have multiple people picking the same team if this room is simply a venue for speculation, which is perfectly fine. But, as often seems to be the case on d3boards.com, the speculation became competitive -- and, since it was competitive, it seemed to preclude the idea of people sharing teams, as sharing teams is less fun and less competitive in a division that contains 412 teams. Nothing wrong with that, either; after all, competition is what sports is all about.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 22, 2013, 01:37:35 PM
Like my 2 1/2 year old son, some of us don't like to share! LOL  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 22, 2013, 05:59:33 PM
LOL! Well put, Tom.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 22, 2013, 06:33:15 PM
As the only 'genuine' Titan here, I appeal to others to let me have IWU - besides, playing in the CCIW, no sane non-Titan would want them anyway! :o ;)

Last year the Titans made it to 13-0 in conference before falling to FF team NCC - which I fully expected, once NCC got healthy.  No one has run the table in CCIW play in 40 years (Augie did it in 1973; IWU in 1970).  Even North Park's 5 national title teams never pulled it off.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on September 23, 2013, 02:59:19 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 22, 2013, 06:33:15 PM
As the only 'genuine' Titan here, I appeal to others to let me have IWU - besides, playing in the CCIW, no sane non-Titan would want them anyway! :o ;)

Last year the Titans made it to 13-0 in conference before falling to FF team NCC - which I fully expected, once NCC got healthy.  No one has run the table in CCIW play in 40 years (Augie did it in 1973; IWU in 1970).  Even North Park's 5 national title teams never pulled it off.

Good luck with that appeal!  ;D You better hope you get the first or second pick cause I don't think they'll last longer than that. :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on October 19, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2013, 03:56:08 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on October 19, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on October 19, 2013, 07:35:15 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2013, 03:56:08 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on October 19, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 19, 2013, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on October 19, 2013, 07:35:15 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2013, 03:56:08 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on October 19, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 19, 2013, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 19, 2013, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on October 19, 2013, 07:35:15 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2013, 03:56:08 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on October 19, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 07:09:35 PM

OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2013, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 07:09:35 PM

OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year?

Yo, dude. Over here. My hand is up!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on October 19, 2013, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 19, 2013, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on October 19, 2013, 07:35:15 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2013, 03:56:08 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on October 19, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 19, 2013, 01:12:01 AM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 19, 2013, 10:12:48 PM
When's the draft where we'll draft the draft order?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on October 21, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on October 19, 2013, 10:12:48 PM
When's the draft where we'll draft the draft order?

That's what we're drafting for... whoever wins this draft will draft to draft it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 21, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 21, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
Last year's participants

Already signed up for this year

FC Grizzlies
hopefan
sac
knightslappy
elthelred
hoopsfan
madzillagd
Gregory Sager
ronk
magicman
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy
Hugenerd
Ralph Turner
zander
7express
John Gleich
Dave Collinge
hope1
augie77
greek tragedy
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 21, 2013, 10:25:59 PM
When does the regular season start? I thought it was the weekend of Nov. 15. I was looking at the schedule, but I see games the previous weekend...(Millikin vs. MacMurray 11/9)...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 21, 2013, 11:51:27 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 21, 2013, 10:25:59 PM
When does the regular season start? I thought it was the weekend of Nov. 15. I was looking at the schedule, but I see games the previous weekend...(Millikin vs. MacMurray 11/9)...

Millikin has that game listed as a scrimmage. No official games allowed before November 15th. D3hoops scoreboard shows a game as early as Oct 26th and a steady slate of games from Oct. 31st through Nov. 14th but every one is either a scrimmage or an exhibition. Nov 15th there is about 140 plus games on the opening day of the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 21, 2013, 11:54:42 PM
That's what I thought...thanks!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2013, 03:28:18 PM

I'm going to pick teams.  I'm just not interested in drafting.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 22, 2013, 09:51:35 PM
I have no problem with that. I think drafting for a survivor team is a bit much, actually, but that's what the masses want so that's what the masses get.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
While it may be a bit excessive here, drafting is fun. I'd play a lot of fantasy football if it was just the drafting ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 23, 2013, 12:19:50 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
While it may be a bit excessive here, drafting is fun. I'd play a lot of fantasy football if it was just the drafting ;D

I agree, but drafting one team for a survivor pick is excessive, but I will do it because that's what the people want.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on October 23, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on October 23, 2013, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 21, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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9. 7express
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 23, 2013, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on October 23, 2013, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 21, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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1. Greek Tragedy
2. Mr. Ypsi
3. Madzillagd
4. FCGrizzliesGrad
5. Ethelred the Unready
6. magicman
7. hopefan
8. Gregory Sager
9. 7express
10. John Gleich
11.NEPAFAN
12.
13.
14.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on October 24, 2013, 12:51:53 PM
I'm in
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 24, 2013, 01:35:36 PM
Get your name on that list, Smed!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 24, 2013, 05:20:16 PM

OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

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1. Greek Tragedy
2. Mr. Ypsi
3. Madzillagd
4. FCGrizzliesGrad
5. Ethelred the Unready
6. magicman
7. hopefan
8. Gregory Sager
9. 7express
10. John Gleich
11.NEPAFAN
12.Smedindy
13.
14.
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on October 25, 2013, 12:49:01 PM
Sorry I didn't follow protocol, was in a rush before a meeting about...new processes and procedures.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: AO on October 25, 2013, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 24, 2013, 05:20:16 PM

OK, LET'S START AN OFFICIAL LIST

Who's in for the draft this year? Due date to get your name in the hat is THURSDAY, NOV. 7, 10 pm Eastern time. That gives us a full week to get the draft done and then anyone else who wants to play after the draft is finished. Games start Friday, Nov. 15, right?

Just copy/paste/quote post

1. Greek Tragedy
2. Mr. Ypsi
3. Madzillagd
4. FCGrizzliesGrad
5. Ethelred the Unready
6. magicman
7. hopefan
8. Gregory Sager
9. 7express
10. John Gleich
11.NEPAFAN
12.Smedindy
13. AO
14.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 28, 2013, 07:49:31 AM

I'm not going to hold off suspense - I'm picking IWU for undefeated.  Just too much talent there.  All the other big team either have rough early schedules or they're counting on untested players.  I think Wooster's good for some sleeper cred, and St. Mary's would be a great choice if not for their participation in the Hoopsville tournament.

I know IWU is sort of a boring, predictable pick, but I also like to play the odds.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 28, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 28, 2013, 07:49:31 AM

I'm not going to hold off suspense - I'm picking IWU for undefeated.  Just too much talent there.  All the other big team either have rough early schedules or they're counting on untested players.  I think Wooster's good for some sleeper cred, and St. Mary's would be a great choice if not for their participation in the Hoopsville tournament.

I know IWU is sort of a boring, predictable pick, but I also like to play the odds.

Well, I guess I'll have to hope I draft before you then!  IWU is MY alma mater, not yours! ;D  (Though NO team, including six who won the national title, has made it unscathed through the CCIW in 40 years.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 28, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Hoops Fan doesn't care. He isn't drafting..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 29, 2013, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 28, 2013, 07:49:31 AM

I'm not going to hold off suspense - I'm picking IWU for undefeated.  Just too much talent there.  All the other big team either have rough early schedules or they're counting on untested players.  I think Wooster's good for some sleeper cred, and St. Mary's would be a great choice if not for their participation in the Hoopsville tournament.

I know IWU is sort of a boring, predictable pick, but I also like to play the odds.

I'll bite too and make an actually-real pick of Calvin. They're losing three (basically) starters from the Sweet Sixteen team, but they're returning enough talent to make the pre-season rank of #17 legitimate (with the chance of making another run into the Top 10). Hosting #5 Wheaton on December 7 is a date to circle as a possible showdown between unbeatens (not taking for granted that Calvin can get past their local NAIAs on Thanksgiving weekend unscathed).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2013, 11:15:35 AM
Apparantly, if I bypass the draft, I can pick who ever I want now and not have to wait???

Nice loophole.

Anyway, I have always felt that having a draft to pick a survivor team was pretty ridiculous, so, I hereby, void the draft process...

Instead, as I originally wanted to do, we will have a date where official picks will be accepted.

No official picks will be accepted prior to FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2013. So, if you want to stay up until 12:00 am and 1 second on Friday morning and be the first to pick, more power to you.

As has always been the case, there is no rule against picking a team that has already been selected. So all of you can choose IWU if you want.

Are there any questions, comments or other suggestions?

The Commissioner has spoken!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 29, 2013, 11:42:37 AM

My official pick is IWU and I don't care who else wants to get on the safe bandwagon with me and play the odds.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2013, 12:53:04 PM
I really don't care how we do it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on October 29, 2013, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2013, 11:15:35 AM
Apparantly, if I bypass the draft, I can pick who ever I want now and not have to wait???

Nice loophole.

Anyway, I have always felt that having a draft to pick a survivor team was pretty ridiculous, so, I hereby, void the draft process...

Instead, as I originally wanted to do, we will have a date where official picks will be accepted.

No official picks will be accepted prior to FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2013. So, if you want to stay up until 12:00 am and 1 second on Friday morning and be the first to pick, more power to you.

As has always been the case, there is no rule against picking a team that has already been selected. So all of you can choose IWU if you want.

Are there any questions, comments or other suggestions?

The Commissioner has spoken!

So is this 12 central or eastern??  If its Eastern I'll have no problem being the first.  If its Central then it's a bit of a problem, lol.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on October 29, 2013, 01:06:41 PM
its anarchy
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: northb on October 29, 2013, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2013, 11:15:35 AM
Apparantly, if I bypass the draft, I can pick who ever I want now and not have to wait???

Nice loophole.

Anyway, I have always felt that having a draft to pick a survivor team was pretty ridiculous, so, I hereby, void the draft process...

Instead, as I originally wanted to do, we will have a date where official picks will be accepted.

No official picks will be accepted prior to FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2013. So, if you want to stay up until 12:00 am and 1 second on Friday morning and be the first to pick, more power to you.

As has always been the case, there is no rule against picking a team that has already been selected. So all of you can choose IWU if you want.

Are there any questions, comments or other suggestions?

The Commissioner has spoken!

Then why wait?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2013, 02:42:07 PM
Eastern time. The wait, so the posters who think theres a draft have time to find out there isn't one...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2013, 02:43:44 PM
Quote from: sac on October 29, 2013, 01:06:41 PM
its anarchy

That it is!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2013, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2013, 02:42:07 PM
Eastern time. The wait, so the posters who think theres a draft have time to find out there isn't one...
Which eastern time are we talking about? Australian Eastern? Eastern Africa? Eastern European? Eastern Greenland? Eastern Indonesian? ;D (All real time zones btw)
The word 'eastern' looks so strange to me now having written it several times
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2013, 07:44:43 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2013, 02:43:44 PM
Quote from: sac on October 29, 2013, 01:06:41 PM
its anarchy

That it is!

You can call me V.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 31, 2013, 01:37:59 AM
Bringing this forward


I hereby, void the draft process...

No official picks will be accepted prior to FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2013.


So, if you want to stay up until 12:00 am and 1 second on Friday morning and be the first to pick, more power to you.

As has always been the case, there is no rule against picking a team that has already been selected. So all of you can choose IWU if you want.

Are there any questions, comments or other suggestions?

The Commissioner has spoken!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 31, 2013, 03:33:29 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 31, 2013, 01:37:59 AM
The Commissioner has spoken!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_k07pirzBU34%2FS8GjaazIDtI%2FAAAAAAAAEW8%2F1iu3k2LkGq0%2Fs1600%2Fwizard-of-oz-w24.jpg&hash=56e9ffa39bc395f2bcbbefeb161dea98bab46af6)

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2013, 12:00:00 AM
Unbeaten: MY alma mater, IWU

Winless: Franciscan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2013, 12:00:29 AM
My selection for the 2013-14  Undefeated Pool will be the WPI Engineers.

My selection for the 2013-14 Winless Pool will be the Caltech Beavers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2013, 12:00:53 AM
I select  Morrisville state as my undefeated team.

I select Hougton as my winless.

As a bonus selection, I will also select the Plymouth state women for the women's winless pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2013, 12:01:35 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2013, 12:00:00 AM
Unbeaten: MY alma mater, IWU

Winless: Franciscan

Just in case my earlier post was judged to be one second premature! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2013, 12:05:08 AM
Good job Mr. Ypsi. Glad you were able to get your alma mater.

I almost took Houghton as my winless choice 7express. In fact I had them typed and ready to go since they lost most of their starters from last year but at the last second I went with Caltech since they were my lovable losers from a few years ago and I won the winless pool with them. Houghton is a good choice.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2013, 12:05:38 AM
My power went out for more than 2 hours... luckily it just came back on and neither of my selections have been taken
Unbeaten: Calvin
Winless: Cairn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2013, 12:07:36 AM
And damn, if I didn't write in my bonus selection, I would've gotten in before Magicman and gotten WPI who was my #1.  I "think" there's no rule that states you can't pick a team more than once, but I'll play fair and go with Morrisville who play in an awful conference and aside from a few games pre New years (Hamilton, Geneseo and likely NYU) have a very favorable slate.

Btw, Greek, do ALL losses count or just losses to no division 3 teams only??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2013, 12:15:19 AM
I think all losses count in both undefeated and winless...I think that's how we do it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2013, 12:18:17 AM
Undefeated: Stevens Point - They have a killer schedule (St. Thomas, Whitewater, Whitworth and North Central before the new year), but I'm a homer.

Winless: Southern Vermont
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2013, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2013, 12:15:19 AM
I think all losses count in both undefeated and winless...I think that's how we do it.

That is correct. All losses do count. That's why you make sure your team isn't playing a DI or DII school early in the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2013, 12:23:29 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2013, 12:18:17 AM
Undefeated: Stevens Point - They have a killer schedule, but I'm a homer.

They were my 2nd choice Tom, but I figured you would want them this year so I passed hoping you were up and about so you'd be able to snag them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2013, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2013, 12:23:29 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2013, 12:18:17 AM
Undefeated: Stevens Point - They have a killer schedule, but I'm a homer.

They were my 2nd choice Tom, but I figured you would want them this year so I passed hoping you were up and about so you'd be able to snag them.

No offense, but that's not a very good 2nd choice! LOL  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2013, 12:33:05 AM
Mr. Ypsi: IWU-Franciscan
Magicman: WPI-Caltech
7express: Morrisville State-Houghton
FCGrizzlies: Calvin-Cairn
Greek Tragedy: UW-Stevens Point-Southern Vermont


*Hoops Fan:IWU
*Knightslappy: Calvin
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2013, 12:45:25 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2013, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2013, 12:15:19 AM
I think all losses count in both undefeated and winless...I think that's how we do it.

That is correct. All losses do count. That's why you make sure your team isn't playing a DI or DII school early in the season.

Ok.  Because after WPI got picked, I was thinking about Albertus, but since they have a guaranteed L at Central Connecticut, I went with the team that has a few tossup games in Morrisville.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 01, 2013, 01:09:18 AM
The defending co-champion selects Franciscan for winless 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2013, 01:54:53 AM
Amazed that no one has taken Principia for winless.  They are 0-50 the last two years!  They do have a troublesome game against SL Pharma in the third game, but they scheduled them twice last year to get wins, and lost both times (though by 3 and 1 points).  Can even Principia lose to St. Louis Pharmacy THREE straight times??!! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2013, 02:49:28 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2013, 01:54:53 AM
Amazed that no one has taken Principia for winless.  They are 0-50 the last two years!  They do have a troublesome game against SL Pharma in the third game, but they scheduled them twice last year to get wins, and lost both times (though by 3 and 1 points).  Can even Principia lose to St. Louis Pharmacy THREE straight times??!! :o

We're saving them for hopefan since he's been their owner for the past several years. But now you probably spoiled that for him, blabbermouth! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 01, 2013, 03:26:20 AM
Scranton for undefeated. No selection yet for winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2013, 06:27:45 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2013, 12:05:38 AM
My power went out for more than 2 hours... luckily it just came back on and neither of my selections have been taken
Unbeaten: Calvin
Winless: Cairn


One of my friend's kid is playing for Cairn this year.  I'm going to try and make a couple games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2013, 06:58:20 AM

I've been trying to find a good winless contender, but every one of the terrible returning teams has scheduled some absolute cake early on.

I might have to stick with Principia, but they play St. Louis Pharmacy right away and I'm almost positive they win that game this year.

So I guess I'll take Maine Maritime.  They have a really easy early schedule and play in a terrible conference, but they were bad last year and they lost production.  Cross your fingers and hope for the best worst.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2013, 07:58:37 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 01, 2013, 06:58:20 AM


I might have to stick with Principia, but they play St. Louis Pharmacy right away and I'm almost positive they win that game this year.


Pharma has a potential 3 guard starting backcourt of Varun Chakravarthy, Woosik Choi, and Faisan Siddiqui, along with returning center Gozie Uzendo....    HOW CAN THEY LOSE????.. if they were NCAA, they'd be my undefeated team!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 01, 2013, 10:12:28 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 01, 2013, 06:58:20 AM

I've been trying to find a good winless contender, but every one of the terrible returning teams has scheduled some absolute cake early on.

I might have to stick with Principia, but they play St. Louis Pharmacy right away and I'm almost positive they win that game this year.

So I guess I'll take Maine Maritime.  They have a really easy early schedule and play in a terrible conference, but they were bad last year and they lost production.  Cross your fingers and hope for the best worst.

That is just wrong.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on November 01, 2013, 10:20:49 AM
Didn't want to snag Williams before NESCAC1 had a chance but since he's apparently sleeping in I'll grab them for Undefeated. My go to of CalTech is already gone so I'm going to say Wesleyan as my winless simply out of spite for what has gone down on the football boards this year.  :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 01, 2013, 11:13:31 AM
Undefeated - Wooster (why not).
Winless - Wheelock
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2013, 01:18:07 PM
For winless, hopefan selects Blackburn College

For undefeated  hopefan selects Mary Hardin Baylor
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on November 01, 2013, 01:51:06 PM
Bringing this forward

Mr. Ypsi           IWU
Magicman        WPI
7express          Morrisville State
FCGrizzlies       Calvin
Greek Tragedy UW-Stevens Point
Madzillagd        Williams
NEPAFAN          Scranton
*Hoopsfan        IWU
Smedindy        Wooster
hopefan           Mary Hardin Baylor
*Knightslappy    Calvin
AO                   St. Thomas

Mr. Ypsi           Franciscan
Magicman        Caltech
7express          Houghton
FCGrizzlies       Cairn
Greek Tragedy Southern Vermont
*Sac                 Franciscan
Madzillagd        Wesleyan
Hoopsfan          Maine Maritime
smedindy         Wheelock
hopefan           Blackburn College
Knightslappy    Macalester
AO                  Northland

Hopefully I captured all those correctly.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 01, 2013, 02:07:36 PM
Macalester is always my winless pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: AO on November 01, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
Undefeated - St. Thomas
Winless - Northland
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2013, 06:32:22 PM
Williams up, Cairn down.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 02, 2013, 07:21:25 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on November 01, 2013, 01:51:06 PM
Bringing this forward

Mr. Ypsi           IWU
Magicman        WPI
7express          Morrisville State
FCGrizzlies       Calvin
Greek Tragedy UW-Stevens Point
Madzillagd        Williams
NEPAFAN          Scranton
*Hoopsfan        IWU
Smedindy        Wooster
hopefan           Mary Hardin Baylor
*Knightslappy    Calvin
AO                   St. Thomas

Mr. Ypsi           Franciscan
Magicman        Caltech
7express          Houghton
FCGrizzlies       Cairn
Greek Tragedy Southern Vermont
*Sac                 Franciscan
Madzillagd        Wesleyan
Hoopsfan          Maine Maritime
smedindy         Wheelock
hopefan           Blackburn College
Knightslappy    Macalester
AO                  Northland

Hopefully I captured all those correctly.

WinLESS - Green Mountain

Undefeated - Hartwick
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 02, 2013, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2013, 06:32:22 PM
Williams up, Cairn down.

Sorry GS, Cairn was already down...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2013, 09:37:09 PM
It's going to stay down, is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2013, 10:26:35 PM
Undefeated:  UMHB.  They must get by Concordia TX on 12/14 (if they can get by Trinity.)  The 12-team ASC is going to double round robin for 22 games of the schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Remember there is no rule against picking a team that was previously selected...some people do like to share.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2013, 11:53:34 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Remember there is no rule against picking a team that was previously selected...some people do like to share.

I'm perfectly willing to share, just as long as those late-comers admit I picked 'em FIRST (legally). ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 03, 2013, 10:20:41 AM
Greek Tragedy.. it is my duty as the true founder of the undefeated and winless concept (note your post on the page 1 of this room, dated Nov 16, 2005..  'Thought I'd start an official survivor pool this year.  I remember someone having a pseudo pool last year that also involved who would be the last team to win a game, let alone lose a game.'   that someone was me)... to file a formal protest regarding one of this year's winless picks.

I would note that Houghton, selected by one Mr. sevenexpress, is not yet a formal member of the NCAA-D3, as they are currently a 2nd year provisional status...  I firmly believe a team not yet eligible to represent its conference in the NCAA tourney should not yet be presented an opportunity to have their name imprinted on the same trophy that Principia and Franciscan worked so hard to earn last season... beyond that, allowing Houghton to be considered also theoretically enters schools such as Alfred St, Bryn Athen, Illinois Tech, Sarah Lawrence etc to be considered..some of these schools play only a limited D3 schedule... 

SevenExpress should be required to repick... heck, I'll even offer up My champ from last year, Principia...

Should anyone not get my sense of humor.. my post is written tongue in cheek, but with a legitimate concept that should be considered... ;)  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2013, 02:53:21 PM
We should probably just ban 7express from all things D3 because of his error...or just make him re-pick!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 03, 2013, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Remember there is no rule against picking a team that was previously selected...some people do like to share.

Is there enough of Cairn to go around?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2013, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 03, 2013, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Remember there is no rule against picking a team that was previously selected...some people do like to share.

Is there enough of Cairn to go around?
While I can't stop you from picking them, you must publicly acknowledge that I am the true champion (should they be the last team standing sitting) since I picked them first ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 03, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2013, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 03, 2013, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Remember there is no rule against picking a team that was previously selected...some people do like to share.

Is there enough of Cairn to go around?
While I can't stop you from picking them, you must publicly acknowledge that I am the true champion (should they be the last team standing sitting) since I picked them first ;D

Well, no, I'm not picking them, GS did... I'm just thinking, if they're the winless team, then they're spread pretty thin... so there might not be enough to split between two!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 03, 2013, 11:12:25 PM
IF Greek wants to ban my winless pick of Houghton because of "provisional status" I'll go with Knox in place of them.  I think they haven't gotten claimed yet.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 04, 2013, 06:36:53 AM
+1  sevenexpress.....   Greek, it's in your hands....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2013, 06:30:48 PM
On the winless, it should read Mr. Ypsi Franciscan (1), sac Franciscan (2).

Just staking my claim to pre-eminence if they hold form again! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 07, 2013, 09:08:38 PM
  I'll take Muhlenberg for the undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 07, 2013, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: sac on August 26, 2013, 05:05:08 PM
btw, regardless of any ground rules I'm picking Franciscan because at 0 for their last 51 and practically my own personal mascot, I have to.

Quote from: sac on September 04, 2013, 06:49:34 PM
grudgingly going along with a draft

..but the defending champs should get first picks.  (just throwing that out there ;D)



Since we descended into anarchy, Just Bill's attorney and I believe we can find a judge sympathetic to our cause Mr. Y.

...well what do you know
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fesoterx.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F09%2Fweasel_civilized.jpg&hash=26cec33cfd9367f623fe51073bed20696ef72f0b)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
The OFFICIAL competition began November 1st.  In addition to FACT (date stamps on posts), I have acquired the support of both George Soros and the Koch brothers - so just TRY to outflank me on spin or on money! 

It on!! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 09, 2013, 10:32:46 AM
hope
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 09, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 09, 2013, 10:32:46 AM
hope

For winless?  ;D  ???   :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 09, 2013, 03:31:07 PM
Updated

UNDEFEATED

Mr. Ypsi----IWU (1)

Magicman----WPI
7express----Morrisville State
FCGrizzlies----Calvin (1)
Greek Tragedy----UW-Stevens Point
NEPAFAN----Scranton
Madzillagd----Williams (1)
*Hoopsfan----IWU (2)
Smedindy----Wooster
hopefan----Mary Hardin Baylor
*Knightslappy----Calvin (2)
AO----St. Thomas
Greg Sager----Williams (2)
Ethelred----Hartwick
Ralph Turner----UMHB
ronk----Muhlenberg
hope1----Hope

WINLESS
Mr. Ypsi----Franciscan (1)
Magicman----Caltech
7express----Houghton Knox
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)
Greek Tragedy----Southern Vermont
Sac----Franciscan (2)
Madzillagd----Wesleyan
Hoopsfan----Maine Maritime
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College
Knightslappy----Macalester
AO----Northland
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)
Ethelred----Green Mountain
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 09, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
Last year's participants

Already signed up for this year

FC Grizzlies
hopefan
sac
knightslappy
elthelred
hoopsfan
madzillagd
Gregory Sager
ronk
magicman
Mr. Ypsi
smedindy
Hugenerd
Ralph Turner
zander
7express
John Gleich
Dave Collinge
hope1
augie77

greek tragedy
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 09, 2013, 03:37:16 PM
Winner - Whitworth   ???

Loser - Beloit   ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 12, 2013, 11:26:43 PM
So, if Houghton ends up being the last winless left, can I least get half a point  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2013, 07:05:13 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 12, 2013, 11:26:43 PM
So, if Houghton ends up being the last winless left, can I least get half a point  ;D

As far as I'm concerned, you can have all the points.  Are they playing a legit d3 schedule (like with conference games), then they're good.  It's not like they're up for undefeated, where potential scholarship players are still on the roster.  That could be unfair.  You picked them to lose every game.  I don't see how provisional status gives them a leg up (or down, as the case may be), unless they're playing Albany Pharmacy and Paul Smith ten times each.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 13, 2013, 12:25:04 PM
Undefeated--Amherst
Winless--Concordia-Chicago
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
Is that like when UW-Oshkosh not only schedules Finlandia twice, but also Silver Lake twice in the same season?  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2013, 06:24:50 PM
Zander? Hugenerd? Dave Collinge?

Any more newbies?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 14, 2013, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2013, 06:24:50 PM
Zander? Hugenerd? Dave Collinge?

Any more newbies?

Hugenerd always picks MIT in the Undefeated Pool regardless of how loaded they appear. Since nobody's picked MIT might as well just assign the Engineers to him. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2013, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2013, 06:24:50 PM
Zander? Hugenerd? Dave Collinge?

Any more newbies?
Meh. Since my laptop exploded and I have to live with this @%÷#& tablet, I'm hardly ever here and will likely post quite rarely.  Tell you what: I'll take for my winner the first available NCAC team in reverse alphabetical order (Wooster, Wittenberg, Wabash, etc.), and for my loser the first available NCAC team in proper alphabetical order, which I suppose would be Allegheny.

...And yes I am aware that Wabash has already lost. My heart, she breaks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2013, 10:35:24 PM

Is it too late to take Southern Vermont for the undefeated?  If they can get through tomorrow, the best team on their schedule is Penn State-Harrisburg.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
Is this the earliest we've knocked someone out in any pool?

Is this the first time that one game knocked out people in BOTH pools? Ka-blam!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on November 15, 2013, 11:04:53 PM
Tough loss for the Ephs.  Far from their best day.  But honestly not their worst, either.  Williams is going to rebound and win a lot of games, I am still very confident.  Too much talent in the starting five.  SVT is not going to lose many games this year.  For real!  They bear absolutely no resemblance to last year's team. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2013, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 15, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
Is this the earliest we've knocked someone out in any pool?

Is this the first time that one game knocked out people in BOTH pools? Ka-blam!

No, and probably yes.

I'm sure there were numerous first night knock-outs, but not sure there has ever been a first night knock-out of an unbeaten candidate (X 2!) by a winless candidate.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2013, 08:32:20 AM
I pick Southern Vermont for undefeated right? LOL  >:(

As you can imagine, I didn't put much time into my picks. I selected SVT solely on their one win last year and took Point for obvious reasons, one not being that I actually think they will be the last team standing!  :P ??? :o So it goes!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2013, 09:13:21 AM
I may have scared a number of people away from Prin... including not picking them myself.. and they proceed to extend their steak losing by 61 to Illinois College...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2013, 03:42:29 PM

So I guess the SVC undefeated hype was a little overblown.  Still, they've played the two toughest games on their schedule already now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 16, 2013, 11:59:31 PM
Franciscan drops a tough one 72-75 to Washington and Jefferson.  At one point they had a lead in the 2nd half but trailed by 10 with 4 minutes to play and rallied to have 4 3-point attempts to tie the game in the last 30 seconds.


I'm feeling pretty good about the Barons chances at ending their 52 game slide tomorrow when they take on USCAA outfit Penn State-Greater Allegheny.  PSUGA is 0-5 on the year and if massey is correct haven't won a game since last January.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 17, 2013, 02:15:50 AM
Damn, Principia loses to Knox.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2013, 05:36:45 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2013, 08:32:20 AM
I pick Southern Vermont for undefeated right? LOL  >:(

As you can imagine, I didn't put much time into my picks. I selected SVT solely on their one win last year and took Point for obvious reasons, one not being that I actually think they will be the last team standing!  :P ??? :o So it goes!

Who officially was the 1st person to drop out of the winless pool  You had Southern Vermont in an 8 PM tip off. I had Caltech in a 7 PM tip off. ;D

Wonder when was the last time, if ever,  that Caltech won their opening game of the season. ???

With WPI's leading scorer going down for the season, I don't think my undefeated pick will hang around very long either. There goes my chance for a Threepeat. Shoulda stuck with Middlebury I guess. :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 17, 2013, 09:07:09 AM
Scranton beats Randolph Macon to win their tip off tournament. Still alive....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 17, 2013, 01:45:36 PM
Franciscan takes a 45-30 lead into the locker room at halftime against PSUGA.  I believe this streak is coming to an end.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 17, 2013, 03:24:38 PM
Franciscan 88 PSUGA 64
http://www.franciscanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/files/FRNM1117.xml

Congrats to Franciscan on their first win in over 2 years.  Party with Baron VonSteubie tonight.  https://twitter.com/BaronVonSteubie

I'm officially dubbing this early exit from the winless as the curse of Mr. Ypsi
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2013, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2013, 03:24:38 PM
Franciscan 88 PSUGA 64
http://www.franciscanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/files/FRNM1117.xml

Congrats to Franciscan on their first win in over 2 years.  Party with Baron VonSteubie tonight.  https://twitter.com/BaronVonSteubie

I'm officially dubbing this early exit from the winless as the curse of Mr. Ypsi

Yeah, I really hexed their losing streak - think they hate me for it?! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2013, 01:20:15 PM
Winning picks eliminated:

7 Express     Morrisville State       lost to NYU  63-80
Madzillagd    Williams                    lost to So Vermont   87-88
AO                St. Thomas               lost to Pomona Pitzer   77-80
Greg Sager   Williams                    lost to So Vermont   87-88
Ethelred        Hartwick                   lost to Messiah   75-76
Collinge        Wittenberg               lost to Wheaton Ill  62-73

Losing picks eliminated:

Mr Ypsi          Franciscan                Beat PSU Gr Allegheny   88-64
Magicman      Caltech                     Beat Wilamette    58-55
7Express       Knox                         Beat Principia   103-93
Greek Tragedy  So Vermont           Beat williams  88-87
Sac                Franciscan                Beat PSU Gr Allegheny   88-64
Madzillagd     Wesleyan                  Beat Coast Guard    55-48
Collinge         Allegheny                  Beat Alma  77-67
 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 18, 2013, 02:08:05 PM
The carnage so early....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 18, 2013, 02:08:05 PM
The carnage so early....

Participants picking schools who don't open until this week certainly have the upper hand ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2013, 08:53:05 AM
Hey... who's running this contest?  No updates?

Just noticed that John Gleich winless pick of Beloit was eliminated on Tuesday the 19th when they beat Dominican 71-69!!!!

Also noticed big losers game for AO's pick, Northland, coming up on Saturday, the 23rd, when they take on Crossroads, recent victim of the 173 point onslaught from Grinnell.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2013, 01:04:34 PM
You seem to be doing a good job!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2013, 03:26:15 PM
UNDEFEATED

Mr. Ypsi----IWU (1)
Magicman----WPI
7express----Morrisville State  lost to NYU  63-80
FCGrizzlies----Calvin (1)
Greek Tragedy----UW-Stevens Point
NEPAFAN----Scranton
Madzillagd----Williams (1)  lost to Southern Vermont  87-88
*Hoopsfan----IWU (2)
Smedindy----Wooster
hopefan----Mary Hardin Baylor (1)
*Knightslappy----Calvin (2)
AO----St. Thomas  lost to Pomona Pitzer   77-88
Greg Sager----Williams (2)  lost to Southern Vermont  87-88
Ethelred----Hartwick   lost to Messiah  75-76
Ralph Turner----UMHB (2)
ronk----Muhlenberg
hope1----Hope
Dave Collinge---- Wittenburg  lost to Wheaton 62-73
John Gleich---- Whitworth
Augie77----Amherst




WINLESS
Mr. Ypsi----Franciscan (1)  Beat PSU Greater Allegheny  88-64
Magicman----Caltech  Beat Willamette  58-55
7express----Houghton Knox  Beat Principia  103-93
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)
Greek Tragedy----Southern Vermont  Beat Williams 88-87
Sac----Franciscan (2)  Beat PSU Greater Allegheny  88-64
Madzillagd----Wesleyan   Beat Coast Guard  58-48
Hoopsfan----Maine Maritime
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College
Knightslappy----Macalester
AO----Northland
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)
Ethelred----Green Mountain
John Gleich--- Beloit   Beat Dominican  71-69
Augie77---- Concordia Ill
Dave Collinge---Allegheny  Beat Alma 77-67
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 22, 2013, 05:52:05 PM
Cairn may be looking at a double donut - their women played an iron five in their first game and lost to a Penn St - Somewhere campus 82-33.

Notre Dame (MD) may save them from that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
Nice work, hopefan +1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2013, 07:58:10 PM
Last year's hard luck ladies from Medgar Evers won their first game of the season against Pratt (who just restarted their women's team) 61-44. They may not get too many more wins this year, but they definitely look like they're getting better :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
 ;) ;) ;)

Games this weekend
Undefeated

IWU   Coe (Fri)   Loras (Sat)
WPI   Castleton (Sat)
Calvin   Kuyper (Fri)  Tourney (Sat)
UWSP   Hope  (Sat)
Scranton   no
Wooster  Baldwin Wallace  (Fri)   Tourney  (Sat)
Mary Hardin Baylor    no
Hope   UWW (Fri)   UWSP (Sat) 
Whitworth  SUNY Old Westbury  (Fri)   Colorado College  (Sat)
Amherst     Newbury  (Fri)   Tourney (Sat)


Winless
Cairn     Penn State-Abington  (Sat)
Maine Maritime    Maine-Machias   (Fri)
Wheelock    Endicott  (Fri)    Tourney  (Sat)
Blackburn   Hanover  (Sun)
MacAlester   Lake Forest  (Sat)   Lakeland (Sun)
Northland    Crossroads   (Sat)
Green mountain   No
Concordia Ill    Bethany Lutheran  (Sat)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2013, 11:23:03 PM
Hope (undefeated list) loses to UWW.  Now, if they can rebound and beat UWSP. ;)

Wooster faces Wheaton tomorrow - go Wheaton.

(Sorry, but I gotta cheer against the opposition to my IWU pick! ;D)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2013, 08:16:45 AM
A review of Friday's results show only Hope1 with Hope being knocked out of the contest..... :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2013, 12:40:02 AM
IWU (and Mr. Ypsi and HoopsFan) fall off the unbeaten list, 80-75 to Loras.  Loras is the early frontrunner for 'Jeckyl and Hyde' of the year, as they have now knocked both Preseason #5 Wheaton and #2 IWU (both of whom were unbeaten picks), while losing to mediocre CCIW team Millikin and generally sub-par even for the NathCon Rockford.  I defy anyone to make sense of that!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 24, 2013, 12:51:29 AM
Whitworth is on the ropes... down 4 under 1 minute...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 24, 2013, 01:28:20 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2013, 07:58:10 PM
Last year's hard luck ladies from Medgar Evers won their first game of the season against Pratt (who just restarted their women's team) 61-44. They may not get too many more wins this year, but they definitely look like they're getting better :)

I'm still taking Plymouth on the women's side.  Aside from Johnson state and Lyndon state (if they ever make that game up), there's not many opportunities on that schedule for Plymouth.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 06:15:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2013, 12:40:02 AM
IWU (and Mr. Ypsi and HoopsFan) fall off the unbeaten list, 80-75 to Loras.  Loras is the early frontrunner for 'Jeckyl and Hyde' of the year, as they have now knocked both Preseason #5 Wheaton and #2 IWU (both of whom were unbeaten picks), while losing to mediocre CCIW team Millikin and generally sub-par even for the NathCon Rockford.  I defy anyone to make sense of that!!

at least one explanation may be that Millikin is quickly growing out of the 'mediocre' status....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 24, 2013, 09:30:42 PM
If I can dodge Maine-Augusta next week, I'm feeling pretty good about my winless pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 24, 2013, 10:37:38 PM
  My undefeated pick(Muhlenberg) lost yesterday in OT to Washington College.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 10:59:10 PM
UNDEFEATED

Mr. Ypsi----IWU (1)    lost to Loras  75-80
Magicman----WPI     lost to Castleton State   65-77
7express----Morrisville State lost to NYU  63-80
FCGrizzlies----Calvin (1)
Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
NEPAFAN----Scranton
Madzillagd----Williams (1) lost to Southern Vermont  87-88
*Hoopsfan----IWU (2)    lost to Loras  75-80
Smedindy----Wooster
hopefan----Mary Hardin Baylor (1)
*Knightslappy----Calvin (2)
AO----St. Thomas lost to Pomona Pitzer   77-88
Greg Sager----Williams (2)  lost to Southern Vermont  87-88
Ethelred----Hartwick  lost to Messiah  75-76
Ralph Turner----UMHB (2)
ronk----Muhlenberg    lost to Washington College   99-104
hope1----Hope    lost to UW-Whitewater   70-83
Dave Collinge---- Wittenburg lost to Wheaton 62-73
John Gleich---- Whitworth     lost to Colorado College  60-65
Augie77----Amherst

8 left in Undefeated representing 6 schools......73 D3 schools remain undefeated



WINLESS
Mr. Ypsi----Franciscan (1)  Beat PSU Greater Allegheny  88-64
Magicman----Caltech Beat Willamette  58-55
7express----Houghton Knox Beat Principia  103-93
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)
Greek Tragedy----Southern Vermont Beat Williams 88-87
Sac----Franciscan (2) Beat PSU Greater Allegheny  88-64
Madzillagd----Wesleyan  Beat Coast Guard  58-48
Hoopsfan----Maine Maritime
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College
Knightslappy----Macalester      Beat Lake Forest  92-89
AO----Northland      Beat Crossroads   76-57
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)
Ethelred----Green Mountain
John Gleich--- Beloit  Beat Dominican  71-69
Augie77---- Concordia Ill     Beat Bethany Lutheran   76-72
Dave Collinge---Allegheny Beat Alma 77-67

6 left in Winless  representing 5 schools    67 schools remain winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2013, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 06:15:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2013, 12:40:02 AM
IWU (and Mr. Ypsi and HoopsFan) fall off the unbeaten list, 80-75 to Loras.  Loras is the early frontrunner for 'Jeckyl and Hyde' of the year, as they have now knocked both Preseason #5 Wheaton and #2 IWU (both of whom were unbeaten picks), while losing to mediocre CCIW team Millikin and generally sub-par even for the NathCon Rockford.  I defy anyone to make sense of that!!

at least one explanation may be that Millikin is quickly growing out of the 'mediocre' status....

I wouldn't say that. Millikin isn't even at mediocre status yet by CCIW standards. Remember, mediocre means "middle" -- and MU was 4-10 and finished sixth in the CCIW last season. If the Big Blue finishes 6-8, 7-7, or 8-6 and in fourth or fifth place, then I think we can safely describe them as "mediocre" this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 11:18:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2013, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 06:15:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2013, 12:40:02 AM
IWU (and Mr. Ypsi and HoopsFan) fall off the unbeaten list, 80-75 to Loras.  Loras is the early frontrunner for 'Jeckyl and Hyde' of the year, as they have now knocked both Preseason #5 Wheaton and #2 IWU (both of whom were unbeaten picks), while losing to mediocre CCIW team Millikin and generally sub-par even for the NathCon Rockford.  I defy anyone to make sense of that!!

at least one explanation may be that Millikin is quickly growing out of the 'mediocre' status....

I wouldn't say that. Millikin isn't even at mediocre status yet by CCIW standards. Remember, mediocre means "middle" -- and MU was 4-10 and finished sixth in the CCIW last season. If the Big Blue finishes 6-8, 7-7, or 8-6 and in fourth or fifth place, then I think we can safely describe them as "mediocre" this season.

darn it greg ...you get me at least once a year with the word mediocre... I never think of it as middle... rather I incorrectly use it as less than average, which is wrong... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 25, 2013, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2013, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 06:15:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2013, 12:40:02 AM
IWU (and Mr. Ypsi and HoopsFan) fall off the unbeaten list, 80-75 to Loras.  Loras is the early frontrunner for 'Jeckyl and Hyde' of the year, as they have now knocked both Preseason #5 Wheaton and #2 IWU (both of whom were unbeaten picks), while losing to mediocre CCIW team Millikin and generally sub-par even for the NathCon Rockford.  I defy anyone to make sense of that!!

at least one explanation may be that Millikin is quickly growing out of the 'mediocre' status....

I wouldn't say that. Millikin isn't even at mediocre status yet by CCIW standards. Remember, mediocre means "middle" -- and MU was 4-10 and finished sixth in the CCIW last season. If the Big Blue finishes 6-8, 7-7, or 8-6 and in fourth or fifth place, then I think we can safely describe them as "mediocre" this season.

We're not talking about a micro-set here (the CCIW) - we're talking about the macro-set (the D3 universe) - by those standards Millikin IS mediocre.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 25, 2013, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 10:59:10 PM
WINLESS
Knightslappy----Macalester      Beat Lake Forest  92-89

A 3-OT heartbreaker!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2013, 03:58:26 PM
My pick of Scranton has their biggest test of the young season tomorrow on the road against Cabrini. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 25, 2013, 04:02:06 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 25, 2013, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 10:59:10 PM
WINLESS
Knightslappy----Macalester      Beat Lake Forest  92-89

A 3-OT heartbreaker!

Only for you and the Lake Forest faithful!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2013, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 24, 2013, 09:30:42 PM
If I can dodge Maine-Augusta next week, I'm feeling pretty good about my winless pick.

Then there is that big game with Green Mountain on 12/14...  ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 25, 2013, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2013, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 06:15:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2013, 12:40:02 AM
IWU (and Mr. Ypsi and HoopsFan) fall off the unbeaten list, 80-75 to Loras.  Loras is the early frontrunner for 'Jeckyl and Hyde' of the year, as they have now knocked both Preseason #5 Wheaton and #2 IWU (both of whom were unbeaten picks), while losing to mediocre CCIW team Millikin and generally sub-par even for the NathCon Rockford.  I defy anyone to make sense of that!!

at least one explanation may be that Millikin is quickly growing out of the 'mediocre' status....

I wouldn't say that. Millikin isn't even at mediocre status yet by CCIW standards. Remember, mediocre means "middle" -- and MU was 4-10 and finished sixth in the CCIW last season. If the Big Blue finishes 6-8, 7-7, or 8-6 and in fourth or fifth place, then I think we can safely describe them as "mediocre" this season.

We're not talking about a micro-set here (the CCIW) - we're talking about the macro-set (the D3 universe) - by those standards Millikin IS mediocre.

I disagree. I'd say that Millikin was south of mediocrity last season. In 2012-13 the Big Blue went 8-17 on the year, which meant that they went 4-7 outside of CCIW play -- and Millikin, which never plays a schedule that's notably difficult by CCIW standards, had an OWP of .448 (129-159) in non-conference play. The Big Blue's four wins came at the hands of Blackburn (2-23), Principia (0-25), Fontbonne (8-17), and Rockford (8-18). MU didn't beat a single team that had a winning record last year; splitting with 12-13 Carthage was the biggest accomplishment of the season.

By the looks of it, Millikin may actually pass by mediocrity and join the above-average by this season's end, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2013, 07:53:55 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 25, 2013, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 24, 2013, 09:30:42 PM
If I can dodge Maine-Augusta next week, I'm feeling pretty good about my winless pick.

Then there is that big game with Green Mountain on 12/14...  ;) ;)

Green Mountain is on a whole other level.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 26, 2013, 07:53:55 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 25, 2013, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 24, 2013, 09:30:42 PM
If I can dodge Maine-Augusta next week, I'm feeling pretty good about my winless pick.

Then there is that big game with Green Mountain on 12/14...  ;) ;)

Green Mountain is on a whole other level.

;D ;D.. hoops, I think i know what you mean, but heck, they have lost their first two games by an average of 40 per game... against two good teams though....  there's a chance?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2013, 09:44:08 AM
Just wanted to throw this out there... Franklin falls from the ranks of the unbeaten losing @ NAIA-2 Southeastern (FL) 107-97 in OT... 3 of their first 4 games have gone to OT
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 26, 2013, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 25, 2013, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2013, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 06:15:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2013, 12:40:02 AM
IWU (and Mr. Ypsi and HoopsFan) fall off the unbeaten list, 80-75 to Loras.  Loras is the early frontrunner for 'Jeckyl and Hyde' of the year, as they have now knocked both Preseason #5 Wheaton and #2 IWU (both of whom were unbeaten picks), while losing to mediocre CCIW team Millikin and generally sub-par even for the NathCon Rockford.  I defy anyone to make sense of that!!

at least one explanation may be that Millikin is quickly growing out of the 'mediocre' status....

I wouldn't say that. Millikin isn't even at mediocre status yet by CCIW standards. Remember, mediocre means "middle" -- and MU was 4-10 and finished sixth in the CCIW last season. If the Big Blue finishes 6-8, 7-7, or 8-6 and in fourth or fifth place, then I think we can safely describe them as "mediocre" this season.

We're not talking about a micro-set here (the CCIW) - we're talking about the macro-set (the D3 universe) - by those standards Millikin IS mediocre.

I disagree. I'd say that Millikin was south of mediocrity last season. In 2012-13 the Big Blue went 8-17 on the year, which meant that they went 4-7 outside of CCIW play -- and Millikin, which never plays a schedule that's notably difficult by CCIW standards, had an OWP of .448 (129-159) in non-conference play. The Big Blue's four wins came at the hands of Blackburn (2-23), Principia (0-25), Fontbonne (8-17), and Rockford (8-18). MU didn't beat a single team that had a winning record last year; splitting with 12-13 Carthage was the biggest accomplishment of the season.

By the looks of it, Millikin may actually pass by mediocrity and join the above-average by this season's end, though.

Well, Millikin was 213 out of 412 in the Massey. We tend to forget some of the dregs of the East and, conversely, how tough some of the teams are in the Midwest and Great Lakes.

I still stake my claim that mediocre was a good choice. Mediocrity isn't always shown in records.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
I think Massey was off on that one. I don't see anything in Millikin's performance last season that merited such a high ranking.

If we get down to comparing the dregs of the midwestern teams (Blackburn, Principia, etc.) versus the dregs of the northeastern teams, in order to ascertain whether a team squatting on the midwestern dung heap deserves the glorious title of "mediocre", then we may finally have come to the reductio ad absurdum of D3 basketball cross-regional discussions.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 26, 2013, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
I think Massey was off on that one. I don't see anything in Millikin's performance last season that merited such a high ranking.

If we get down to comparing the dregs of the midwestern teams (Blackburn, Principia, etc.) versus the dregs of the northeastern teams, in order to ascertain whether a team squatting on the midwestern dung heap deserves the glorious title of "mediocre", then we may finally have come to the reductio ad absurdum of D3 basketball cross-regional discussions.

That's one of the drawbacks of Massey... they were "good by association" in the same way that bottom WIAC teams have been in the past...

Oshkosh was 8/17 last year and 166.  Massey had them 6 spots ahead of 24-5 Albertus Magnus for goodness sakes...

Oshkosh defeated one team above .500 last year, Concordia (WI), which puts them a bit higher than Millikin in that regard... And I'm a big fan of Matt Nadelhofer and what he's doing down in Big Blue land... but...

Or River Falls, who was also 8/17 and 139. At least they beat three teams with winning records.

At least 9/18 Superior (136) beat Whitewater... though that was their only W against a .500+ team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2013, 05:34:51 PM
Exactly. I think that Massey ratings are a useful tool, but I'd love to see Ken Massey tweak it in order to switch off the WIAC halo effect that PS talked about. Among other things, it's turned the MIAC into the equivalent of Greenland on a Mercator map.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 26, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
Yet I rather much debunked that so-called 'halo effect' last year, if you recall. I was defending it against some absolute luddites, but still.

It's all logical if you follow the algorithm and the math. Good by association, yes, but you have to have the results to be good by association (wins, close losses, etc.), else you get thrown to the wolves anyway (see Macalester). One bad result or good result, when the dust settles, doesn't affect things much when you have 400+ schools playing 25 games. If I recall, someone wanted to throw it out because a .500 MIAC team had a high Massey rating, yet in the data was a win over a school that handed another D-2 school its only loss and some other good results (wins and close losses against highly ranked teams). Connect the dots, and, Frank Viola, it makes sense.

I don't care if Magnus is 24-5 for goodness sakes. They lost to Johnson and Wales and Suffolk, for goodness sakes. They had close games against Coast Guard, Lasell (they only beat 'em by 14 points combined in two games, for goodness sakes) and Emmanuel. For goodness sakes, they wouldn't be 24-5 in the CCIW or WIAC. May not even have been .500. Alvernia schooled them in the tourney. There is a decent enough data set to make this work for the most part.

The question is, playing Millikin's schedule, what would their record be? If Millikin played Magnus' schedule, could they be 24-5. Data says prolly.

The halo effect is over-stated. Millikin is mediocre in the entire UNIVERSE of D-3, not our select viewpoints. As I have said many times about defensive stats in baseball - the eyes, they deceive. The numbers, they do not (and the proper numbers to boot).

There's a whole wide world of teams out there - ok - mostly in the Northeast ripe for the NESCAC to pick through to boost their SOS, but still. We get agitated when some hipster doofuses denigrate D-3 because the one time they saw Bard play while they were visiting their bro...

And yes, I realize we are over-analyzing a flippant, throwaway comment on a message board celebrating the good, bad and ugly of D-3 hoops. But it's our job - it's what we do. The egg cannot be put back into its shell. There are a bundle of teams out there, and I think we get spoiled or frustrated by what's in our backyard.

BTW - absolute mediocrity last year could be these teams, near .500 and near the center of the Massey Ratings:

Gettysburg (12-14) - 201
Gwynned - Mercy (15-12) - 202
LaVerne (11-14) - 205
SUNY - New Paltz (11-15) - 209
Chapman - (13-12) - 210
Clark - (12-14) - 211
Bluffton (11-14) - 212
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 26, 2013, 07:31:33 PM
However, any algorithm has flaws - even the artisan, hand-crafted, small-batch power rankings you find at your farmer's data market. At least they don't have GMO data or preservatives.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2013, 10:44:00 PM
WHAM   BANG     

Mary Hardin Baylor loses at Southwestern.... hopefan and Ralph Turner drop out of the winners contest

Scranton loses to Cabrini...... NEPAFAN out of the winners contest


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2013, 11:46:29 PM
Sorry, smeds, but I just don't buy it. Given the fact that Millikin lost two out of every three games last season, and had only one victory over a team that even sniffed the .500 mark -- and I saw several of Millikin's victims last year, and they were bloody awful regardless of the time zone that they called home -- I simply can't buy the idea that the Big Blue, who were a team manned almost exclusively by freshmen last season, were middle-of-the-road in 2012-13.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2013, 12:06:29 AM
Sheesh!!  I make a throwaway comment (Loras losing to 'mediocre' Millikin) and it sparks the great debate of 2013! ;D

While mediocre literally means 'middle', to me, at least, it has connotative negative overtones.  (My family mocks me for often referring to restaurant meals I didn't absolutely hate, but obvious didn't like, as 'highly mediocre'.)  I meant that Millikin was what they have recently become: not awful (like a couple of years ago), but not yet average.  I have hopes that this year they break through to slightly above average.

(Though I also agree that in the grand scope of 400+ D3 teams, Millikin may already have been above average.  There are a LOT of really bad teams out there. :P)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 27, 2013, 12:28:11 AM
Massey's greatest flaw is counting exhibiton games prior to Nov 15 as real.  Most of those games happen in the Midwest/West and by association pulls everyone 'up'.

F'instance Hope and Calvin are both having games against D2's Grand Valley State and Ferris State count in his algorithm.  Both were exhibitions and clearly stated as such, so these aren't even the dreaded counts for one but not the other games.

Anyone whose schedule touches those two is 'tainted' to a certain degree.

I've also noticed or think I've noticed more really real games against D2/D1 happen West of the Allegheny's.
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That said I think even if you pull all of those games out and have clean numbers I think you still see the WIAC rate high.   KS's efficiency tracking on his blog should show that nicely once he gets enough data.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2013, 12:30:45 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2013, 12:06:29 AM
While mediocre literally means 'middle', to me, at least, it has connotative negative overtones.

This is America, Chuck. We like winners. Don't make me recite George C. Scott's Patton speech!

(If I had a nickel for every time I've heard some gung-ho coach say something to the effect of, "We're only interested in being champions here; second place is nothing but the best of the losers," I'd have ... well, a bunch of nickels. ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 27, 2013, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: sac on November 27, 2013, 12:28:11 AM
Massey's greatest flaw is counting exhibiton games prior to Nov 15 as real.  Most of those games happen in the Midwest/West and by association pulls everyone 'up'.

F'instance Hope and Calvin are both having games against D2's Grand Valley State and Ferris State count in his algorithm.  Both were exhibitions and clearly stated as such, so these aren't even the dreaded counts for one but not the other games.

Anyone whose schedule touches those two is 'tainted' to a certain degree.

I've also noticed or think I've noticed more really real games against D2/D1 happen West of the Allegheny's.
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That said I think even if you pull all of those games out and have clean numbers I think you still see the WIAC rate high.   KS's efficiency tracking on his blog should show that nicely once he gets enough data.

I know at least the Calvin Ferris game isn't counting, he has it noted ad exhibition on the site. If you see games that were exhibitions for both trends, send him an email. I do it usually one or twice a year and Massey is always appreciative of the input.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 27, 2013, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 26, 2013, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
I think Massey was off on that one. I don't see anything in Millikin's performance last season that merited such a high ranking.

If we get down to comparing the dregs of the midwestern teams (Blackburn, Principia, etc.) versus the dregs of the northeastern teams, in order to ascertain whether a team squatting on the midwestern dung heap deserves the glorious title of "mediocre", then we may finally have come to the reductio ad absurdum of D3 basketball cross-regional discussions.

That's one of the drawbacks of Massey... they were "good by association" in the same way that bottom WIAC teams have been in the past...

Oshkosh was 8/17 last year and 166.  Massey had them 6 spots ahead of 24-5 Albertus Magnus for goodness sakes...

Oshkosh defeated one team above .500 last year, Concordia (WI), which puts them a bit higher than Millikin in that regard... And I'm a big fan of Matt Nadelhofer and what he's doing down in Big Blue land... but...

Or River Falls, who was also 8/17 and 139. At least they beat three teams with winning records.

At least 9/18 Superior (136) beat Whitewater... though that was their only W against a .500+ team.

It's not all about wins and losses though with Massey, he takes MOV into account. Oshkosh had their share of blowout losses, but they also lost by 4 at Augustana, by 2 at Stout, and by 10 at Stevens Point. Those are all fairly good results if you're trying to figure out how good a team is, even if they didn't win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 27, 2013, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2013, 11:46:29 PM
Sorry, smeds, but I just don't buy it. Given the fact that Millikin lost two out of every three games last season, and had only one victory over a team that even sniffed the .500 mark -- and I saw several of Millikin's victims last year, and they were bloody awful regardless of the time zone that they called home -- I simply can't buy the idea that the Big Blue, who were a team manned almost exclusively by freshmen last season, were middle-of-the-road in 2012-13.

Did you see Lasell? Emerson? Anyone that Magnus played? You may change your tune. You're spoiled, for sure, in your region with quality teams left and right. THAT'S my point. There's a huge universe of teams we don't see that all we have to go by is the results. Let's not be provincial here and consider everything in our D3 set when talking about teams that are great, horrid and in the middle. We tend to know the great teams and the horrid teams - the ones in the middle can have ugly records because they play top competition, but they're still BETTER than teams with gaudy records and weaker competition. We get so hung up on what we see we lose sight of the infinite approximate universe of D3. I'm guilty of it too - that's why I use data and metrics to reign in my eyes and heart.

That's all we have is the data when we compare teams against regions. I can't help you if your 'sensibilities' aren't in line with the calculations when you connect all the teams together - and see who played who - who played who close and who was blown out and how those calculations occur over time.

I'd be accurate to say, "Boy, Millikin is a bad team in the league." Or, "Wow, Millikin doesn't stack up against the teams I've seen."  But really, they're not horrid, just in a tough crowd. The teams we 'celebrate' here - they're the ones that are bad. I'm sure Millikin would have beaten Cairn by multiples of ten last yaer.

I'd prefer to use Pomeroy or Sagarin but they don't do D3. I had a calculation worked out taking three data sets that I found but I don't have that time or energy anymore.

And one way to eliminate the so-called "WIAC Halo" is to stop them from beating quality teams in non-conference, and then have schools from the MIAC stop playing close games with the WIAC schools. Problem solved.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 27, 2013, 11:22:05 AM
Quote from: sac on November 27, 2013, 12:28:11 AM
Massey's greatest flaw is counting exhibiton games prior to Nov 15 as real.  Most of those games happen in the Midwest/West and by association pulls everyone 'up'.

F'instance Hope and Calvin are both having games against D2's Grand Valley State and Ferris State count in his algorithm.  Both were exhibitions and clearly stated as such, so these aren't even the dreaded counts for one but not the other games.

Anyone whose schedule touches those two is 'tainted' to a certain degree.

I've also noticed or think I've noticed more really real games against D2/D1 happen West of the Allegheny's.


I don't know how you can get around the insane "counts for one - not the other" trend. That's a pox on the NCAA. You can't throw out the result for one team - and I'd rather include it than exclude it. Besides, it should only really affect things IF the D3 team has a result that is unexpected. Then, of course, that may indicate the strength of the D3 team anyway (or weakness of the D1).

It'll take a while for any ranking to settle down because of the number of data points. The more data points, the more these things will normalize.

Now, back to the show...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 27, 2013, 11:24:31 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 27, 2013, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 26, 2013, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
I think Massey was off on that one. I don't see anything in Millikin's performance last season that merited such a high ranking.

If we get down to comparing the dregs of the midwestern teams (Blackburn, Principia, etc.) versus the dregs of the northeastern teams, in order to ascertain whether a team squatting on the midwestern dung heap deserves the glorious title of "mediocre", then we may finally have come to the reductio ad absurdum of D3 basketball cross-regional discussions.

That's one of the drawbacks of Massey... they were "good by association" in the same way that bottom WIAC teams have been in the past...

Oshkosh was 8/17 last year and 166.  Massey had them 6 spots ahead of 24-5 Albertus Magnus for goodness sakes...

Oshkosh defeated one team above .500 last year, Concordia (WI), which puts them a bit higher than Millikin in that regard... And I'm a big fan of Matt Nadelhofer and what he's doing down in Big Blue land... but...

Or River Falls, who was also 8/17 and 139. At least they beat three teams with winning records.

At least 9/18 Superior (136) beat Whitewater... though that was their only W against a .500+ team.

It's not all about wins and losses though with Massey, he takes MOV into account. Oshkosh had their share of blowout losses, but they also lost by 4 at Augustana, by 2 at Stout, and by 10 at Stevens Point. Those are all fairly good results if you're trying to figure out how good a team is, even if they didn't win.

If you don't use MOV (with a diminishing return) you really don't get a true sense of quality. The hugest bungle of the BCS was taking away MOV because some nimrods and luddites didn't understand the diminishing returns aspect of it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2013, 11:41:48 AM
I'm out guys, Scranton gets upended at Cabrini.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 27, 2013, 11:50:36 AM
I'm trying to do Pomeroy-like rankings this year.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html?m=1

Takes some time so I can't promise the fastest of updates, but I'm aiming to keep it updated every few days.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 27, 2013, 11:55:15 AM
Very nice, Mr. KS.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 27, 2013, 12:03:33 PM
A quickie quick look at who is lef in our contest...

UNDEFEATED

FCGrizzlies----Calvin (1)
Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
NEPAFAN----Scranton
Smedindy----Wooster
hopefan----Mary Hardin Baylor (1)
*Knightslappy----Calvin (2)
Ralph Turner----UMHB (2)
Augie77----Amherst

WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)
Hoopsfan----Maine Maritime
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)
Ethelred----Green Mountain
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 27, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 27, 2013, 11:13:58 AM
Did you see Lasell? Emerson? Anyone that Magnus played? You may change your tune. You're spoiled, for sure, in your region with quality teams left and right. THAT'S my point. There's a huge universe of teams we don't see that all we have to go by is the results. Let's not be provincial here and consider everything in our D3 set when talking about teams that are great, horrid and in the middle. We tend to know the great teams and the horrid teams - the ones in the middle can have ugly records because they play top competition, but they're still BETTER than teams with gaudy records and weaker competition. We get so hung up on what we see we lose sight of the infinite approximate universe of D3. I'm guilty of it too - that's why I use data and metrics to reign in my eyes and heart.

I get this... but I think, too, that there's something to the fact that teams who tend to win more games find a way to win... and teams who tend to lose more games find a way to lose. 

Teams who win gain more confidence and that begets winning... teams who lose lose their confidence and that begets losing.  As Coach Jack Bennett used to say (modifying Lou Holtz's quote) "You're never as good as you think you are when you win, and you're never as bad as you think you are when you lose."

If Millikin had played Magnus' schedule, perhaps they WOULD have had a much better record (and for Magnus, playing in the CCIW, much worse). But until that trend of winning (or losing) begins, it's so hard to say. At this point, it's all speculation (for goodness sake  :D).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 28, 2013, 07:06:12 AM
Boy there's been a lot of carnage in such a short time. Down to just smed and myself in the battle to stay alive in both. Could we have everything wrapped up before New Years?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 28, 2013, 09:44:07 AM
My winless candidate, Blackburn, loses in Triple OT to Rockford... Doesn't give me much hope for down the road when BC plays Principia or Iowa Wesleyan... perhaps I should have stuck with Prin?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Calvin is out, losing to Cornerstone..... taking down FCGrizzlies and Knight Slappy

We are down to only 3 contestants left in the undefeated pool!!!

As a comparison, last year we got to 3 teams in the undefeated pool on 12/18/12... :( :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 29, 2013, 10:53:27 PM
well......we suck
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2013, 06:17:36 AM
Quote from: sac on November 29, 2013, 10:53:27 PM
well......we suck

Well Sac, we'll just have to step up our recruiting!!! ;D ;D ;D

More embarrassing, there are 51 OTHER D3 schools still undefeated that no one picked!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2013, 08:36:09 AM
My alma mateasy scheduleer, Eastern Nazarene College is still undefeated, playing a very easy schedule. If they can get by Endicott this week, they could remain so into January. Crazy times.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
If you didn't notice, the 3 teams remaining are the top 3 in the Top 25 poll: Amherst, Stevens Point and Wooster.

After checking the upcoming schedules, to say they don't favor Stevens Point would be an understatement.

Point opens conference play next weekend at Eau Claire and then hosts Whitewater on Dec.11. From there to New Year's, they play at St. John's, St. Thomas, Whitworth and Whitman in Las Vegas and then at North Central. Meanwhile, Amherst plays at Brandeis on the 10th and at Babson on the 12th. Then the Lord Jeffs are off until the New Year! Go Brandeis!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2013, 11:56:17 PM
I also like UT-Dallas.  They might go for a long time, too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2013, 02:09:36 PM
Here is who is left in the contest

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster
Augie77----Amherst

WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)
Hoopsfan----Maine Maritime
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)
Ethelred----Green Mountain


44 total teams left undefeated :

Dubuque
Guilford
Rochester Tech
Eastern Nazarene
New Jersey City
Richard Stockton
Virginia Wesleyan
Hampden-Sydney
Messiah
Grinnell
Cabrini
SUNY-Purchase
Defiance
New York University
DePauw
Wittenberg
Wooster
Texas-Dallas
Daniel Webster
John Carroll
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater
Babson
Bethany
Carnegie Mellon
Colorado College
University of Dallas
Hobart
Milwaukee Engineering
Kalamazoo
Muskingum
Nazareth
Albertus Magnus
Augsburg
Cal Lutheran
Amherst
Bowdoin
Husson
Farmingdale State
Mississippi College
Bridgewater (Va.)
Cortland State
Geneseo State
SUNYIT


41 teams remaining winless:

Simpson
D'Youville
St. Scholastica
Eureka
Anderson
Medaille
University of New England
Dominican
Alma
Olivet
Houghton
Westminster (Pa.)
Huntingdon
Blackburn
Fontbonne
Principia
Transylvania
Wabash
Howard Payne
Curry
Fitchburg State
Worcester State
Newbury
Wheelock
Frostburg State
Bethany Lutheran
Gallaudet
Keene State
Maine Maritime
Cairn
Hiram
Hardin-Simmons
Pitt-Greensburg
RPI
Ramapo
Martin Luther
Carleton
Yeshiva
Green Mountain
Lyndon State
Thomas




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2013, 03:35:58 PM
Didn't check any of the others, but Witt is NOT undefeated - Wheaton beat them the second day of the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 01, 2013, 03:48:17 PM
Transylvania just picked up their first W with an 81-76 win over Wilmington in their game suspended the first weekend.


..and DePauw loses at Washington 71-60

..Kalamazoo takes its first loss at Chicago 100-83
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2013, 05:13:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2013, 03:35:58 PM
Didn't check any of the others, but Witt is NOT undefeated - Wheaton beat them the second day of the season.

Thanks Ypsi....dang... missing 2nd day of Wheaton's tourney.. must have copied over it...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2013, 05:46:21 AM
Nice work, hopefan!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2013, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2013, 05:46:21 AM
Nice work, hopefan!

Thanks GT... I enjoy playing with it... even more NEXT season when I'm retired...

Regarding the contest... I think a real favorite in the winless contest is rising to the top, or er ah falling to the bottom...   in Cairn...  they're being beat pretty badly in every game, and there seems to be no obvious sure thing win remaining on their schedule... they do have Oberlin, but despite a one win season thus far, Oberlin should be much better, and then at the end of January, a potential deal breaker at Bryn Athyn...Bryn is 0-5, but have lost 3 games close, so can't be that bad... but that's the one FC Grizzlies and Sager will have to sweat out...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 03, 2013, 09:52:42 AM
Babson recently lost to fellow undefeated squad Bowdoin, so will be dropped from the list next go-around. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2013, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 03, 2013, 09:52:42 AM
Babson recently lost to fellow undefeated squad Bowdoin, so will be dropped from the list next go-around.

I'll try to update the list every 2 or 3 days..... ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 03, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
I would be curious why no one else picked Amherst in the undefeated pool.  I was the very last person to make a pick and was shocked to find the Lord Jeffs still on the table.  As a defending national champion, and pre-season number one to start this year, I would have though someone would have taken a chance on them.  As it is, Amherst is one of three teams still alive in the undefeated pool, and i'm feeling a bit sheepish wondering whether I'm really so smart.

Inquiring minds want to know!   :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2013, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: augie77 on December 03, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
I would be curious why no one else picked Amherst in the undefeated pool.  I was the very last person to make a pick and was shocked to find the Lord Jeffs still on the table.  As a defending national champion, and pre-season number one to start this year, I would have though someone would have taken a chance on them.  As it is, Amherst is one of three teams still alive in the undefeated pool, and i'm feeling a bit sheepish wondering whether I'm really so smart.

Inquiring minds want to know!   :o

Off the top of my head, I'd say NESCAC = tough schedule (Williams, Middlebury), that's why I stayed away late in the picking and went with Mary Hardin and I'm already out...also there were lots of comparisons to IWU in writings here, trending towards IWU being much better, concentrating on Amherst graduation losses....  it probably stuck in people's minds.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 03, 2013, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: augie77 on December 03, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
I would be curious why no one else picked Amherst in the undefeated pool.  I was the very last person to make a pick and was shocked to find the Lord Jeffs still on the table.  As a defending national champion, and pre-season number one to start this year, I would have though someone would have taken a chance on them.  As it is, Amherst is one of three teams still alive in the undefeated pool, and i'm feeling a bit sheepish wondering whether I'm really so smart.

Inquiring minds want to know!   :o

The rest of us over research these things
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2013, 03:11:48 PM
Amherst lost a lot, have a tough schedule and are almost assuredly overrated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 03, 2013, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: augie77 on December 03, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
I would be curious why no one else picked Amherst in the undefeated pool.  I was the very last person to make a pick and was shocked to find the Lord Jeffs still on the table.  As a defending national champion, and pre-season number one to start this year, I would have though someone would have taken a chance on them.  As it is, Amherst is one of three teams still alive in the undefeated pool, and i'm feeling a bit sheepish wondering whether I'm really so smart.

Inquiring minds want to know!   :o

NESCAC schedule.  I had them and Morrisville as the top 2 contenders.  I went with Morrisville because outside of a select few games (Geneseo, a potential match with NYU) and the rest of the schedule was a piece of cake.  Obviously I picked wrong as Morrisville lost both those games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 03, 2013, 04:20:57 PM
Dice, it's a roll of them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2013, 11:50:02 PM
In an early candidate for shocker of the year, Principia downs previously 5-1 Millikin, 83-74. :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 04, 2013, 01:31:40 AM
I thought there was a disturbance in the Force tonight....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2013, 01:41:54 AM
I stopped by to see if anyone had noticed. :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/12/wrapup-dec3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2013, 07:05:58 AM
No change to whom is left in the contest

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster
Augie77----Amherst

WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)
Hoopsfan----Maine Maritime
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College     watch out   BC plays an equally young and winless Fontbonne tonight
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)
Ethelred----Green Mountain


Through Tuesday  12/3/13


Undefeated  (34)

Dubuque
Guilford
Virginia Wesleyan
Cabrini
Rochester Tech
Eastern Nazarene
Daniel Webster
Richard Stockton
UW-Whitewater
Albertus Magnus
Messiah
Grinnell
Bowdoin
Husson
SUNY-Purchase
Defiance
New York University
Wooster
Texas-Dallas
Colorado College
John Carroll
UW-Stevens Point
Bethany
Amherst
University of Dallas
Hobart
Muskingum
Cortland State
Nazareth
Augsburg
Cal Lutheran
Farmingdale State
Bridgewater (Va.)
Geneseo State


Winless  (36)     with the notable absence of Principia

Anderson
Simpson
D'Youville
Dominican
Alma
Blackburn
Eureka
Wabash
Medaille
RPI
University of New England
Fitchburg State
Worcester State
Newbury
Wheelock
Frostburg State
Olivet
Westminster (Pa.)
Huntingdon
Keene State
Maine Maritime
Cairn
Fontbonne
Hardin-Simmons
Howard Payne
Curry
Bethany Lutheran
Martin Luther
Carleton
Gallaudet
Yeshiva
Hiram
Pitt-Greensburg
Thomas
Green Mountain
Lyndon State


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on December 04, 2013, 07:34:38 PM
Green Mountain 102, Johnson St 99.   Johnson St missed a 3 to tie, ball bounced out to the 3 pt line, J St threw in a 3 but it was just after the buzzer. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on December 04, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
On the other side of things Rochester hands Hobart their first loss, 85-75.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 04, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 04, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
On the other side of things Rochester hands Hobart their first loss, 85-75.

That's an interesting match-up in and of itself... Mike Neer coached at Rochester for about 750 years.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2013, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 04, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 04, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
On the other side of things Rochester hands Hobart their first loss, 85-75.

That's an interesting match-up in and of itself... Mike Neer coached at Rochester for about 750 years.

And his Hobart boys got the best of Rochester last season, as well, I think.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 04, 2013, 09:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 04, 2013, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 04, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 04, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
On the other side of things Rochester hands Hobart their first loss, 85-75.

That's an interesting match-up in and of itself... Mike Neer coached at Rochester for about 750 years.

And his Hobart boys got the best of Rochester last season, as well, I think.

I was wondering about that. I knew he'd been at Hobart for a few years.... didn't know if this was the first match up or not.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2013, 09:39:00 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 04, 2013, 09:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 04, 2013, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 04, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 04, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
On the other side of things Rochester hands Hobart their first loss, 85-75.

That's an interesting match-up in and of itself... Mike Neer coached at Rochester for about 750 years.

And his Hobart boys got the best of Rochester last season, as well, I think.

I was wondering about that. I knew he'd been at Hobart for a few years.... didn't know if this was the first match up or not.

They've played once, maybe twice each year.  I'm pretty sure Hobart's only won one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 05, 2013, 12:15:08 AM
Wilmington hands Muskingum its first loss 88-51

Mt. Union hands John Carroll its first loss  113-100

Medaille gets its first win over Hilbert  82-73
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: madzillagd on December 05, 2013, 10:23:34 AM
Cal Lutheran first loss against Pomona 64-75.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2013, 10:32:35 AM
who's left in the contest

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster
Augie77----Amherst

WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)      Loses 78-66 to the Mighty Macs
Hoopsfan----Maine Maritime      BIG game tonight vs Maine Augusta (1-12) tonight!!!!!
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College      WOW BC crushed 90-52 by previous winless Fontbonne
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)
Ethelred----Green Mountain   Green Mountain beats Johnson St 102-99 in OT
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 05, 2013, 08:46:34 PM
With Franciscan and Principia both ending their long losing streaks is anyone aware of who hold the current longest losing streak in d3?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2013, 09:12:42 PM

I'm out.  Maine Maritime dominated the one opponent I was worried about, Maine-Augusta and drops from the winless list.  They may end up winless vs d3, which will be some consolation, but alas, not enough.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2013, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: sac on December 05, 2013, 08:46:34 PM
With Franciscan and Principia both ending their long losing streaks is anyone aware of who hold the current longest losing streak in d3?

Off the top of my head I think it might be Cairn, they were 1-25 last year with the 1 win coming in their 3rd game. They're 0-6 this year so far. That would make their losing streak now total 29 in a row.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2013, 06:00:34 AM
who's left in the contest

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster
Augie77----Amherst

WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
Hoopsfan----Maine Maritime   Beats Maine-Augusta  84-72
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)


Undefeated  count at  23  (11 off the list in 2 days)

Virginia Wesleyan
Cabrini
Dubuque
Eastern Nazarene
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Albertus Magnus
Messiah
Grinnell
SUNY-Purchase
Defiance
New York University
Wooster
Texas-Dallas
Colorado College
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater
Bethany
Amherst
Bowdoin
Husson
Farmingdale State
Cortland State

Winless count at 24  (12 off the list in two days)

Anderson
D'Youville
Newbury
Blackburn
Eureka
Wabash
University of New England
Fitchburg State
Worcester State
Frostburg State
Dominican
Alma
Westminster (Pa.)
Cairn
RPI
Wheelock
Olivet
Huntingdon
Gallaudet
Bethany Lutheran
Martin Luther
Carleton
Thomas
Lyndon State





Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2013, 11:43:22 AM
who's left in the contest

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster
Augie77----Amherst

WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)


Undefeated  count at  23  no one knocked out yesterday

Virginia Wesleyan
Cabrini
Dubuque
Eastern Nazarene
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Albertus Magnus
Messiah
Grinnell
SUNY-Purchase
Defiance
New York University
Wooster
Texas-Dallas
Colorado College
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater
Bethany
Amherst
Bowdoin
Husson
Farmingdale State
Cortland State

Winless count at 21  (3 come off the list last night)

Anderson
D'Youville
Newbury
Blackburn
Eureka
Wabash
University of New England
Fitchburg State
Worcester State
Frostburg State
Dominican
Alma
Westminster (Pa.)
Cairn
RPI   Beat MCLA 110-100 on 12/6
Wheelock
Olivet
Huntingdon
Gallaudet   Beats Maryland Bible  72-46  on 12/6
Bethany Lutheran
Martin Luther
Carleton
Thomas    Beat Lyndon State in battle of winless  104-77  on 12/6
Lyndon State
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 07, 2013, 01:40:41 PM
In the process of confirming a score, the schedule had Amherst losing 77-60 to Emerson. I questioed the Final score since that was at noon central time! I clicked on the Amerst team page and confirmed that loss. I dug deeper and checked Amherst's site and showed the game not being played until 1 pm Eastern time. I went back to the schedule page on this site and showed 36-36 with 3 minutes before half.   ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 07, 2013, 01:46:46 PM
77-60 was the score of Emerson's last game, most likely the d3hoops scoreboard tapped into the livestats that wasn't cleared yet at Emerson.


Its 44-41 Emerson at the half
http://livestats.prestosports.com/emerson/
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 07, 2013, 02:11:32 PM
There was even a boxscore with Amherst players...I think Toomey had 13 and didn't start!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 07, 2013, 02:35:56 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 07, 2013, 02:11:32 PM
There was even a boxscore with Amherst players...I think Toomey had 13 and didn't start!

Well then I have no idea ???

But it looks like Emerson is going to pull it out, up 7 with :40 to play
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 07, 2013, 02:48:03 PM
Emerson 90 Amherst 79

...and then there were two
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2013, 02:56:26 PM

Eastern Nazarene fell one point short at Endicott.  They drop from the undefeated list just barely.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2013, 07:07:50 PM
Who would people view as the most surprising names on the undefeated and winless lists?

For unbeaten, there are two or three I'm more used to seeing on the winless lists, but I'd say probably Bowdoin, who lost their best player to injury before the season even began.

For winless, my pick would be Wabash.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 07, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
Cairn stretches their winless streak to 30 games as they fall to Gwynedd-Mercy 98-79. They are now off until 12-29.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2013, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 07, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
Cain stretches their winless streak to 30 games as they fall to Gwynedd-Mercy 98-79. They are now off until 12-29.

While they do seem to carry the 'mark of Cain', I'm pretty sure they still prefer to be called Cairn! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2013, 09:00:52 PM
Wabash at 0-7 is definitely a surprise. They lost to Oberlin today.

I'll have to see when the last time Wabash was 0-7.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on December 07, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2013, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 07, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
Cain stretches their winless streak to 30 games as they fall to Gwynedd-Mercy 98-79. They are now off until 12-29.

While they do seem to carry the 'mark of Cain', I'm pretty sure they still prefer to be called Cairn! ;D

But are they Abel?  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2013, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2013, 07:07:50 PM
Who would people view as the most surprising names on the undefeated and winless lists?

For unbeaten, there are two or three I'm more used to seeing on the winless lists, but I'd say probably Bowdoin, who lost their best player to injury before the season even began.

For winless, my pick would be Wabash.


Colorado College is pretty surprising.  They played Whitworth already and although I haven't looked at this year's schedule, they usually have a good amount of games against d2 squads.  You just don't expect them to be undefeated for very long.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2013, 09:55:54 PM
Certainly Daniel Webster would be a surprise, coming off 3 sub .500 seasons in a row....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2013, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: mailsy on December 07, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2013, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 07, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
Cain stretches their winless streak to 30 games as they fall to Gwynedd-Mercy 98-79. They are now off until 12-29.

While they do seem to carry the 'mark of Cain', I'm pretty sure they still prefer to be called Cairn! ;D

But are they Abel?  ;D

Having lost 30 straight, I'd have to say 'no'! ;)

(Unless you meant 'are they dead'? :o)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2013, 10:43:34 AM
who's left in the contest

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster
Augie77----Amherst   lost to Emerson 90-79

WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)


Undefeated  count at  17 .......... 6 teams knocked out yesterday

Virginia Wesleyan
Cabrini
Dubuque
Eastern Nazarene  lost to Endicott 78-77 on 12/7
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Albertus Magnus
Messiah
Grinnell   lost to St Norbert 121-115 on 12/7   
SUNY-Purchase
Defiance
New York University
Wooster
Texas-Dallas
Colorado College
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater  lost to UW-Stout  74-69 on 12/7
Bethany
Amherst  lost to Emerson 90-79 on 12/7
Bowdoin
Husson
Farmingdale State  lost to SUNY-Purchase  77-57 in undefeateds game 12/7
Cortland State lost to Plattsburgh St 64-61 on 12/7

Winless count at 18  (3 come off the list last night)

Anderson
D'Youville
Newbury
Blackburn
Eureka
Wabash
University of New England beat Western N E   66-62 on 12/7
Fitchburg State
Worcester State
Frostburg State
Dominican
Alma
Westminster (Pa.)
Cairn
RPI   Beat MCLA 110-100 on 12/6
Wheelock
Olivet
Huntingdon
Gallaudet  Beats Maryland Bible  72-46  on 12/6
Bethany Lutheran
Martin Luther
Carleton  beat Hamline 72-68 on 12/7
Thomas    Beat Lyndon State in battle of winless  104-77  on 12/6
Lyndon State  beat Maine Farmington 85-74 on 12/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 08, 2013, 05:44:20 PM
Alma gets its first win over Finlandia 75-64
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: warriorcat on December 08, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
One fewer team in the win less column

Worcester State 96  Me-Augusta   56
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2013, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on December 08, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
One fewer team in the win less column

Worcester State 96  Me-Augusta   56

Maine-Augusta helps out both Maine Maritime and Worcester State this week... perhaps more of our winless trams should look into getting them on the schedule.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 09, 2013, 03:46:00 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 08, 2013, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on December 08, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
One fewer team in the win less column

Worcester State 96  Me-Augusta   56

Maine-Augusta helps out both Maine Maritime and Worcester State this week... perhaps more of our winless trams should look into getting them on the schedule.... ;D ;D

And perhaps those darn Trams wouldn't be winless if they were on schedule, instead of being late all the time. One thing the public won't tolerate is late Trams, which will, in the long run, ultimately keep them empty and in the winless column. ??? ::) 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2013, 06:42:26 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2013, 01:06:30 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 09, 2013, 03:46:00 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 08, 2013, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on December 08, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
One fewer team in the win less column

Worcester State 96  Me-Augusta   56

Maine-Augusta helps out both Maine Maritime and Worcester State this week... perhaps more of our winless trams should look into getting them on the schedule.... ;D ;D

And perhaps those darn Trams wouldn't be winless if they were on schedule, instead of being late all the time. One thing the public won't tolerate is late Trams, which will, in the long run, ultimately keep them empty and in the winless column. ??? ::)

MONORAIL!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2013, 08:38:16 PM
who's left in the contest

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster


WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)


Undefeated  count at  17

Virginia Wesleyan
Cabrini
Dubuque
Eastern Nazarene lost to Endicott 78-77 on 12/7
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Albertus Magnus
Messiah
Grinnell   lost to St Norbert 121-115 on 12/7   
SUNY-Purchase
Defiance
New York University
Wooster
Texas-Dallas
Colorado College
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater  lost to UW-Stout  74-69 on 12/7
Bethany
Amherst lost to Emerson 90-79 on 12/7
Bowdoin
Husson
Farmingdale State lost to SUNY-Purchase  77-57 in undefeateds game 12/7
Cortland State lost to Plattsburgh St 64-61 on 12/7

Winless count at 16 (2 come off the list yesterday)

Anderson
D'Youville
Newbury
Blackburn
Eureka
Wabash
University of New England beat Western N E   66-62 on 12/7
Fitchburg State
Worcester State  beat Maine-Augusta 96-56 on 12/8
Frostburg State
Dominican
Alma  beat Finlandia 75-64 on 12/8
Westminster (Pa.)
Cairn
RPI  Beat MCLA 110-100 on 12/6
Wheelock
Olivet
Huntingdon
Gallaudet   Beats Maryland Bible  72-46  on 12/6
Bethany Lutheran
Martin Luther
Carleton beat Hamline 72-68 on 12/7
Thomas    Beat Lyndon State in battle of winless  104-77  on 12/6
Lyndon State beat Maine Farmington 85-74 on 12/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 11, 2013, 06:44:11 AM
NYU falls off the list as they lose to Stevens Tech 68-65 in overtime last night.

Also:
Colorado College 57  Northern Colorado 96         Playing a Division 1 team will usually drop you from the unbeaten ranks. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2013, 10:13:24 AM
Unbeaten Point has a tough game tonight as they host conference rival Whitwater. Whitewater can ill-afford to go 0-2 to kick off the WIAC season. Though Point has had recent success in the series, these games usually aren't blowouts.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2013, 10:49:13 AM
Lots of games tonight, so I'll put in an updated list including those results tomorrow  ;)

Look for Eureka to jump off the winless list tonight, as they host Lincoln Christian, usually a winnable game for SLIAC teams....

On Saturday, my still alive winless contest team, Blackburn, hosts new to D3 and SLIAC Iowa Wesleyan.  IWC (not to be confused with IWU) had been a relatively competitive team at the NAIA D2 level, but lost everyone to graduation last year... they have one win this year, against Faith Baptist Bible... and were beat badly by Westminster in their SLIAC debut... Iowa Wesleyan and Principia are Blackburn's best shots at wins this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 11, 2013, 10:56:36 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2013, 10:49:13 AM
... Iowa Wesleyan and Principia are Blackburn's best shots at wins this year.

Remember Principia / Millikin!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2013, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 11, 2013, 10:56:36 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2013, 10:49:13 AM
... Iowa Wesleyan and Principia are Blackburn's best shots at wins this year.

Remember Principia / Millikin!!!

The crazy thing about that is Prin turned around and lost to Spalding by 40 just a couple days later!!! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 11, 2013, 09:07:34 PM
Olivet gets off the winless list with an emphatic 108-50 win over Illinois Tech


PS  Illinois Tech plays at Cal Tech this weekend on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2013, 10:25:49 PM
As predicted, Eureka off the winless list defeating Lincoln Christian 93-63
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2013, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2013, 09:07:34 PM
Olivet gets off the winless list with an emphatic 108-50 win over Illinois Tech


PS  Illinois Tech plays at Cal Tech this weekend on Sunday.

That'll be Caltech's easiest win in a generation. Not that that's saying much, but I'll say it, anyway. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: SgtPaul on December 11, 2013, 10:52:25 PM
Point stays unbeaten using a 22 - 0 first half run to build a cushion and beat Whitewater 79 - 67.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2013, 06:54:19 AM
who's left in the contest

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster


WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)


Undefeated  count at  14  3 out since 12/9

Virginia Wesleyan
Cabrini
Dubuque
Eastern Nazarene  lost to Endicott 78-77 on 12/7
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Albertus Magnus
Messiah
Grinnell   lost to St Norbert 121-115 on 12/7   
SUNY-Purchase
Defiance
NYU lost to Stevens 68-65 on 12/10
Wooster
Texas-Dallas lost to Trinity Tx  63-58 on 12/10
Colorado College lost to Northern Colorado 96-57 on 12/10
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater lost to UW-Stout  74-69 on 12/7
Bethany
Amherst lost to Emerson 90-79 on 12/7
Bowdoin
Husson
Farmingdale State lost to SUNY-Purchase  77-57 in undefeateds game 12/7
Cortland State lost to Plattsburgh St 64-61 on 12/7

Winless count at 13 (3 come off the list since 12/9)

Anderson
D'Youville
Newbury
Blackburn
Eureka  Beat Lincoln Christian  93-63 on 12/11
Wabash
University of New England beat Western N E   66-62 on 12/7
Fitchburg State
Worcester State beat Maine-Augusta 96-56 on 12/8
Frostburg State
Dominican
Alma  beat Finlandia 75-64 on 12/8
Westminster (Pa.)
Cairn
RPI   Beat MCLA 110-100 on 12/6
Wheelock
Olivet  Beat Illinois Tech  108-50  on 12/11
Huntingdon
Gallaudet   Beats Maryland Bible  72-46  on 12/6
Bethany Lutheran  Beat St. Mary's (Minn.)  60-51 on 12/11
Martin Luther
Carleton  beat Hamline 72-68 on 12/7
Thomas    Beat Lyndon State in battle of winless  104-77  on 12/6
Lyndon State beat Maine Farmington 85-74 on 12/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 13, 2013, 09:53:27 PM
who's left in the contest.......now with alphabetizing, roughly  :)

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster


WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)


Undefeated  count at  14  3 out since 12/9
Albertus Magnus
Bethany
Bowdoin
Cabrini
Defiance
Dubuque
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Husson
Messiah
SUNY-Purchase
UW-Stevens Point
Virginia Wesleyan
Wooster


Grinnell   lost to St Norbert 121-115 on 12/7
Amherst lost to Emerson 90-79 on 12/7
Farmingdale State lost to SUNY-Purchase  77-57 in undefeateds game 12/7
Cortland State lost to Plattsburgh St 64-61 on 12/7
Eastern Nazarene  lost to Endicott 78-77 on 12/7
UW-Whitewater lost to UW-Stout  74-69 on 12/7
Texas-Dallas lost to Trinity Tx  63-58 on 12/10
Colorado College lost to Northern Colorado 96-57 on 12/10
NYU lost to Stevens 68-65 on 12/10



Winless count at 13 (3 come off the list since 12/9)


Anderson
Blackburn
Cairn
D'Youville
Dominican
Fitchburg State
Frostburg State
Huntingdon
Martin Luther
Newbury
Wabash
Westminster (Pa.)
Wheelock

Thomas    Beat Lyndon State in battle of winless  104-77  on 12/6
Gallaudet   Beats Maryland Bible  72-46  on 12/6
RPI   Beat MCLA 110-100 on 12/6
Carleton  beat Hamline 72-68 on 12/7
University of New England beat Western N E   66-62 on 12/7
Lyndon State beat Maine Farmington 85-74 on 12/7
Alma  beat Finlandia 75-64 on 12/8
Worcester State beat Maine-Augusta 96-56 on 12/8
Eureka  Beat Lincoln Christian  93-63 on 12/11
Bethany Lutheran  Beat St. Mary's (Minn.)  60-51 on 12/11
Olivet  Beat Illinois Tech  108-50  on 12/11
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2013, 10:02:47 PM
Blackburn (and I) face a great challenge in figuring out how to lose to Iowa Wesleyan tomorrow... My best hope may be that bad weather postpones the game ;D ;D ;D

Sac.. thanks for cleaning up the lists... looks much better
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 13, 2013, 10:05:54 PM
cut and paste, post-graduate skill I learned
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 13, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
HCAC still has one on each list... 6-0 Defiance and 0-9 Anderson don't play until Jan 8. Defiance has 5 games before then, Anderson just 2.
Does any other conference have multiple teams with a 0 in their record?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2013, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 13, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
HCAC still has one on each list... 6-0 Defiance and 0-9 Anderson don't play until Jan 8. Defiance has 5 games before then, Anderson just 2.
Does any other conference have multiple teams with a 0 in their record?

Guilford and VA Wesleyan are both undefeated.  I assume they play each other soon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on December 14, 2013, 01:30:40 AM
Cabrini 8-0 and Cairn 0-7 in the CSAC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 14, 2013, 10:52:12 AM
Unbeaten Wooster plays winless Wabash this afternoon in the NCAC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 14, 2013, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2013, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 13, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
HCAC still has one on each list... 6-0 Defiance and 0-9 Anderson don't play until Jan 8. Defiance has 5 games before then, Anderson just 2.
Does any other conference have multiple teams with a 0 in their record?

Guilford and VA Wesleyan are both undefeated.  I assume they play each other soon.

Guilford & VWC play each other on January 18th. Both teams have lots of opportunities to lose a game between now and then.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2013, 12:16:04 PM
2 others fall into the category of having multiple teams 'perfect' to date

In New England, the NECC has THREE teams still with a 0 in their record:
Daniel Webster  8-0
Newbury 0-9
Wheelock  0-7

and my old stomping grounds, the President's AC
Bethany  6-0
Westminster (Pa.)  0-7     Tough to see Westminster at a low point.. such a great Basketball history.... Buzz Ridl was a good friend when we both worked at Pitt, he as head Basketball Coach, me as a young Admissions officer right out of college.... inside access to a nationally ranked team led by All American Billy Knight was one of the big thrills of my life...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2013, 12:33:15 PM

Last year I went to see (at the time) winless Washington College host undefeated Franklin & Marshall.  Not only did I predict the upset pre-game, I got to see it myself.  One of the more enjoyable d3 basketball experiences as the WC boys sprinted out of the gym at the whistle to ring the giant bell outside the building (I assume they only ring it when they win).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2013, 12:36:03 PM
Thought I would put out the first listing of 'Perfect vs D3 only'...  this always confuses someone, so think of what this list is... these are teams NOT on our perfect list.. teams that have not lost to a D3 team, but have a loss elsewhere;  teams that have not beaten a D3 team, but have a win elsewhere..

Undefeated vs D3, but with a loss elsewhere:

George Fox  3-0   5-1
Colorado College  4-0  5-1
University of Dallas  4-0  5-1
MacMurray  4-0   5-2     Watch out, Augustana tonight
Franklin  5-0    5-2
Lewis and Clark  2-0   4-2

Winless vs d3, but with a win elsewhere

Worcester State  0-9    1-9
Maine Maritime  0-5  1-8
Simpson   0-5  1-7
SUNY Cobleskill  0-7   1-7
Eureka    0-5   1-6
Adrian   0-4   1-6
Potsdam State   0-6   1-6
Gallaudet   0-6    1-6
Iowa Wesleyan   0-3   1-5
Northland   0-2   1-5
Maranatha Baptist    0-2     1-5
Willamette   0-3   1-4
Franciscan   0-4    1-4
Greensboro   0-3   2-6
NYU  Poly    0-6   2-6
Olivet  0-3    2-5
Whittier   0-3   2-3
North Carolina Wesleyan    0-3    3-4
William Peace   0-1   3-2
Texas Lutheran   0-1    5-2

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 14, 2013, 01:37:12 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 14, 2013, 12:36:03 PM
Thought I would put out the first listing of 'Perfect vs D3 only'...  this always confuses someone, so think of what this list is... these are teams NOT on our perfect list.. teams that have not lost to a D3 team, but have a loss elsewhere;  teams that have not beaten a D3 team, but have a win elsewhere..

Undefeated vs D3, but with a win elsewhere:

George Fox  3-0   5-1
Colorado College  4-0  5-1
University of Dallas  4-0  5-1
MacMurray  4-0   5-2     Watch out, Augustana tonight
Franklin  5-0    5-2
Lewis and Clark  2-0   4-2

Winless vs d3, but with a win elsewhere

Worcester State  0-9    1-9
Maine Maritime  0-5  1-8
Simpson   0-5  1-7
SUNY Cobleskill  0-7   1-7
Eureka    0-5   1-6
Adrian   0-4   1-6
Potsdam State   0-6   1-6
Gallaudet   0-6    1-6
Iowa Wesleyan   0-3   1-5
Northland   0-2   1-5
Maranatha Baptist    0-2     1-5
Willamette   0-3   1-4
Franciscan   0-4    1-4
Greensboro   0-3   2-6
NYU  Poly    0-6   2-6
Olivet  0-3    2-5
Whittier   0-3   2-3
North Carolina Wesleyan    0-3    3-4
William Peace   0-1   3-2
Texas Lutheran   0-1    5-2

See my bold of "win" above. Don't you mean loss?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2013, 01:42:48 PM
yjack... corrected, thanks
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 14, 2013, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 14, 2013, 10:52:12 AM
Unbeaten Wooster plays winless Wabash this afternoon in the NCAC.
Wooster 54, Wabash 41. Both remain on their respective lists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2013, 04:30:13 PM
Iowa Wesleyan 74 - Blackburn 69 hopefan still alive
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2013, 06:31:15 AM
who's left in the contest.......through 12/14

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point
Smedindy----Wooster


WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)


With all the games last night, surprisingly no change to winless or undefeated

Undefeated  count at  14 
Albertus Magnus
Bethany
Bowdoin
Cabrini
Defiance
Dubuque
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Husson
Messiah
SUNY-Purchase
UW-Stevens Point
Virginia Wesleyan
Wooster


Grinnell   lost to St Norbert 121-115 on 12/7
Amherst lost to Emerson 90-79 on 12/7
Farmingdale State lost to SUNY-Purchase  77-57 in undefeateds game 12/7
Cortland State lost to Plattsburgh St 64-61 on 12/7
Eastern Nazarene  lost to Endicott 78-77 on 12/7
UW-Whitewater lost to UW-Stout  74-69 on 12/7
Texas-Dallas lost to Trinity Tx  63-58 on 12/10
Colorado College lost to Northern Colorado 96-57 on 12/10
NYU lost to Stevens 68-65 on 12/10



Winless count at 13


Anderson
Blackburn
Cairn
D'Youville
Dominican
Fitchburg State
Frostburg State
Huntingdon
Martin Luther
Newbury
Wabash
Westminster (Pa.)
Wheelock

Thomas    Beat Lyndon State in battle of winless  104-77  on 12/6
Gallaudet   Beats Maryland Bible  72-46  on 12/6
RPI   Beat MCLA 110-100 on 12/6
Carleton beat Hamline 72-68 on 12/7
University of New England beat Western N E   66-62 on 12/7
Lyndon State  beat Maine Farmington 85-74 on 12/7
Alma beat Finlandia 75-64 on 12/8
Worcester State beat Maine-Augusta 96-56 on 12/8
Eureka Beat Lincoln Christian  93-63 on 12/11
Bethany Lutheran  Beat St. Mary's (Minn.)  60-51 on 12/11
Olivet Beat Illinois Tech  108-50  on 12/11
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2013, 06:44:36 AM
As for our undefeated and winless vs D3 only....


Undefeated vs D3, but with a loss elsewhere: MacMurray (loss to Augie) and Franklin (loss to Mt St Joe's) drop off

George Fox  3-0   5-1
Colorado College  4-0  5-1
University of Dallas  4-0  5-1
Lewis and Clark  2-0   4-2

Winless vs d3, but with a win elsewhere...  Eureka (Beat Webster), Iowa Wesleyan (beat Blackburn), Northland (beat Maranatha Baptist) drop off list

Worcester State 
Maine Maritime 
Simpson   
SUNY Cobleskill 
Adrian 
Potsdam State   
Gallaudet   
Maranatha Baptist   
Willamette   
Franciscan   
Greensboro   
NYU  Poly   
Olivet
Whittier   
North Carolina Wesleyan   
William Peace   
Texas Lutheran   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 15, 2013, 08:48:08 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
If you didn't notice, the 3 teams remaining are the top 3 in the Top 25 poll: Amherst, Stevens Point and Wooster.

After checking the upcoming schedules, to say they don't favor Stevens Point would be an understatement.

Point opens conference play next weekend at Eau Claire and then hosts Whitewater on Dec.11. From there to New Year's, they play at St. John's, St. Thomas, Whitworth and Whitman in Las Vegas and then at North Central. Meanwhile, Amherst plays at Brandeis on the 10th and at Babson on the 12th. Then the Lord Jeffs are off until the New Year! Go Brandeis!

Never really looked into Wooster's schedule. They play out West Monday and Tuesday against two NAIA teams. Westmont is 8-2. The made the NAIA tourney last year after going 25-8. On Tuesday Wooster plays Arizona Christian. They went from preseason #16 to 6 in the first regular season poll (D3 takes notes?). They beat 2 NCAA DII opponents, NAIA #16 Montana St.-Northern and NAIA 2 #10 St. Xavier. And I thought Stevens Point had a tough holiday schedule!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 15, 2013, 07:19:45 PM
In an epic battle.....

Franciscan 80  D'Youville 77

Franciscan gets its first win vs D3 and comes off the winless vs D3 list
D'Youville remains winless at 0-10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2013, 06:19:43 AM
from 12/15/13

Virginia Wesleyan falls off Undefeated list, losing to Christopher Newport 83-80

13 Undefeateds left!!!!!

No change in winless..... 13 remain

No change in undefeated vs D3 only list

Sac already mentioned Franciscan falling off the winless vs d3 only list..  they were the only ones to go yesterday



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2013, 01:47:29 AM
Results are in from Dec 16

NO CHANGE to any of our lists!!!!!  Good win for Wooster vs NAIA D1 Westmont to stay undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 17, 2013, 11:16:22 PM
NAIA D1 Arizona Christian drops Wooster into the Unbeaten vs. D3 list, 62-60 at ACU. Scots had led by as much as 19 in the second half, but lost to a very good, unbeaten top 10 NAIA squad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2013, 12:38:27 AM
With Wooster's loss, Congrats go out to Greek Tragedy as the winner of the Undefeated Contest with Wisconsin Stevens Point

Smedindy earns runner-up with Wooster
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 18, 2013, 08:25:37 AM
Thanks! I really didn't think I would win with Point. Just a complete homer pick since I didn't feel like doing any "research".

What a game out West. Wooster up 16 at halftime against NAIA #6 team. As a D3 fan as well, I was sort of pulling for the Scots. My D3hoops.com fantasy league/pick em league history is pretty bad, so its nice to actually win for once!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 18, 2013, 08:36:36 AM
DO WE WANT TO PLAY A 2ND CHANCE POOL STARTING JAN. 1??? WE CAN MAKE SELECTIONS STARTING FRIDAY AT 12:00:01 AM FRIDAY, OR "DRAFT" IN ORDER OUR TEAMS WERE ELIMINATED? (I WOULD PICK LAST)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 18, 2013, 08:36:36 AM
DO WE WANT TO PLAY A 2ND CHANCE POOL STARTING JAN. 1??? WE CAN MAKE SELECTIONS STARTING FRIDAY AT 12:00:01 AM FRIDAY, OR "DRAFT" IN ORDER OUR TEAMS WERE ELIMINATED? (I WOULD PICK LAST)

I'm still picking Illinois Wesleyan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 18, 2013, 11:02:37 AM
Thats fine. I dont see them going unbeaten in the CCIW.  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 18, 2013, 08:36:36 AM
DO WE WANT TO PLAY A 2ND CHANCE POOL STARTING JAN. 1??? WE CAN MAKE SELECTIONS STARTING FRIDAY AT 12:00:01 AM FRIDAY, OR "DRAFT" IN ORDER OUR TEAMS WERE ELIMINATED? (I WOULD PICK LAST)

Isn't it time to move on to my personal favorite time- tracking the last unbeaten (and winless, though we still have picks alive) until it's snuffed, mercilessly, by the probability monster?  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
GT.. would the contest be who stayed undefeated the longest from Jan 1 (meaning we'd be starting all over again, ALL D3 teams eligible), OR, of the remaining undefeated teams at that time, who will stay undefeated the longest, meaning we'd be held to the 13 or fewer teams remaining undefeated at that time...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2013, 11:45:01 AM
I think it'd have to be the unbeatens left....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2013, 11:45:01 AM
I think it'd have to be the unbeatens left....

then we'll let hoops fan have IWU.... oh, hoops... you just lost... ;D ;D ;D...

In reality, that's why I asked the question....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 18, 2013, 03:18:19 PM
D'sac picks D'Youville

risky picking an AMCC who has to play other AMCC teams but I'll take my chances.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 18, 2013, 03:33:27 PM
I was thinking of picking from Jan. 1 to the end of the season to give everyone more options.

It would be completely unofficial and be for the undefeated side of the pool only.

I would not expect hopefan to keep track of the new pool as there are enough posters to keep track of the stand-alone pool. No matter...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2013, 03:54:12 PM
I don't really have much time to track or keep track. The reg'lar undefeated and winless is fine, plus the winless and undefeated against D-3 and to see where they could win or lose a game. That's my gravy.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2013, 08:24:46 PM
who's left in the contest.......through 12/14

UNDEFEATED

Greek Tragedy--UW-Stevens Point    our winner!!!!


WINLESS
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)



Undefeated  count at  12    Virginia Wesleyan loses to Christopher Newport  83-80
                                             Wooster loses to Arizona Christian  62-60
Albertus Magnus
Bethany
Bowdoin
Cabrini
Defiance
Dubuque
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Husson
Messiah
SUNY-Purchase
UW-Stevens Point


Winless count remains at 13


Anderson
Blackburn
Cairn
D'Youville
Dominican
Fitchburg State
Frostburg State
Huntingdon
Martin Luther
Newbury
Wabash
Westminster (Pa.)
Wheelock
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2013, 08:43:17 PM
As for our undefeated and winless vs D3 only....


Undefeated vs D3, but with a loss elsewhere:
Wooster 
George Fox 
Colorado College 
University of Dallas 
Lewis and Clark 

Winless vs d3, but with a win elsewhere...  Franciscan falls off list

Worcester State 
Maine Maritime 
Simpson   
SUNY Cobleskill 
Adrian 
Potsdam State   
Gallaudet   
Maranatha Baptist   
Willamette   
Greensboro   
NYU  Poly   
Olivet
Whittier   
North Carolina Wesleyan   
William Peace   
Texas Lutheran   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2013, 09:17:02 PM
hopefan,  your status in the winless contest is on shaky ground. :P  Blackburn got an 'honorary win' last night by staying within 50 of the IWU bench! ;D

Man, I can't believe Franciscan, my pick, not only lost the contest the first weekend, but is now off the winless against d3 list too!  I thought they were a lock for another 0-fer season, or at most a win against a Bible college.  Break up the Barons! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2013, 09:36:31 PM

Cabrini hosts Wesley on January 2nd.  After that they're not losing a game the rest of the year.  They've beaten pretty much all comers so far.  I'd think they're the best bet for this thing.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2013, 12:26:14 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 18, 2013, 09:36:31 PM

Cabrini hosts Wesley on January 2nd.  After that they're not losing a game the rest of the year.  They've beaten pretty much all comers so far.  I'd think they're the best bet for this thing.

They have an 84% change at (Hello) Neumann, 86% chance at Gwynned Mercy and 87% at Keystone.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2013, 07:51:52 PM
No changes to any of our lists on 12/18
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2013, 05:13:17 AM
No changes on 12/19 either.........
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
Scratch Wabash from the winless list - they beat Trine in OT, 67-65.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 21, 2013, 06:27:46 PM
Westminster(pa) gets off the winless list with a win over PSU-Altoona 82-71
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2013, 06:48:30 AM
The two changes mentioned, wins by Wabash and Westminster (Pa.), were the only changes on 12/20 and 12/21... none of the teams play on 12/22, so going into Christmas Break, our lists look like this

Undefeated  (12)        (Greek Tragedy wins Contest with UWSP
Albertus Magnus
Bethany
Bowdoin
Cabrini
Defiance
Dubuque
Daniel Webster
Guilford
Husson
Messiah
SUNY-Purchase
UW-Stevens Point


Winless Contest

WINLESS Contest
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)

Winless  (11)
Anderson
Blackburn
Cairn
D'Youville
Dominican
Fitchburg State
Frostburg State
Huntingdon
Martin Luther
Newbury
Wheelock

Undefeated vs D3, but with a loss elsewhere: (5)
Wooster 
George Fox 
Colorado College 
University of Dallas 
Lewis and Clark 

Winless vs d3, but with a win elsewhere  (16)

Worcester State 
Maine Maritime 
Simpson   
SUNY Cobleskill 
Adrian 
Potsdam State   
Gallaudet   
Maranatha Baptist   
Willamette   
Greensboro   
NYU  Poly   
Olivet
Whittier   
North Carolina Wesleyan   
William Peace   
Texas Lutheran 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 22, 2013, 08:42:03 AM
Very nice work, hopefan +1   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
I may find some time to take a look at big games coming up for each of our teams, but right now, let's look at what the remaining contestants in the winless contest face:

Three teams remain.. with four contestants

Blackburn.. my home conference SLIAC team... is far and away the long shot remaining in the contest.. if all their players return 2nd semester (I've heard a rumor contrary to that), they will be very competitive in several conference games due to weak conference teams Iowa Wesleyan, Principia, Fontbonne, and possibly even Eureka... Additionally, Blackburn's home court is one of the matchbox sites in D3, tough to come in and play...  Blackburn played on its home court and took 3 OTs to lose to a decent Rockford team... and lost at home by 5 to Iowa Wesleyan .... The game to really point to is on Jan 11 when Principia comes to Carlinville.. Prin has won only once, the fabled streak-stopper over Millikin... But, they may have high scoring guard Larry Patterson back for second semester, which will make them much better...

Wheelock..  selected by Smedindy... is a solid selection... but like Blackburn, they're in a weak conference, the NECC, where victory can very easily bury a perfect season ... They have yet to finish within single digits against anyone they've played, but really only have been blown out (more than 20) in one game... and to their credit, they've played a solid schedule, only one  opponent to date is under .500.  Their conference schedule features a matchup with equally winless Newbury on January 18, and also includes potential close games with the likes of Lesley and Elms

Cairn... Selected first by FC Grizzlies, then by Greg Sager... BIG BIG favorite to take this contest.. a shame duplicate picks were allowed to generate split winners....  Cairn plays in a far more competitive conference than Blackburn or Wheelock...  the CSAC... but they do have Oberlin on Jan 4.. unfortunately Oberlin is far more competitive this year than usual... I can't see Cairn getting a win over the Yeomen... they have Bryn Athyn on Jan 27, but Bryn has already shown they can beat D3 teams with wins over Delaware Valley and Lancaster Bible.  The next weakest Conference opponents appears to be Centenary who is just 2-8, Who have a win over Immaculata, a team that already beat Cairn....

Suggestion... Perhaps Greg and Grizz should select a tiebreaker winless team should Cairn win the contest... selections limited to the current winless list not to include Wheelock or Blackburn... 2nd selector (time-wise) can't match the first selector's pick.. need to get in pick prior to games of Dec 28
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 22, 2013, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 22, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Suggestion... Perhaps Greg and Grizz should select a tiebreaker winless team should Cairn win the contest... selections limited to the current winless list not to include Wheelock or Blackburn... 2nd selector (time-wise) can't match the first selector's pick.. need to get in pick prior to games of Dec 28
Well, I'd like to take a homer team... but I can't go with Anderson when they still have two against both Manchester and Earlham. They're bound to win at least one of those. I guess I'd go with D'Youville. Their game against Franciscan is worrysome but it's not till February.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2013, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 22, 2013, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 22, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Suggestion... Perhaps Greg and Grizz should select a tiebreaker winless team should Cairn win the contest... selections limited to the current winless list not to include Wheelock or Blackburn... 2nd selector (time-wise) can't match the first selector's pick.. need to get in pick prior to games of Dec 28
Well, I'd like to take a homer team... but I can't go with Anderson when they still have two against both Manchester and Earlham. They're bound to win at least one of those. I guess I'd go with D'Youville. Their game against Franciscan is worrysome but it's not till February.

Thanks Grizz.... Greg?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 24, 2013, 12:01:00 PM
hmmm no pick from Greg... must be analyzing that winless data ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 27, 2013, 05:33:51 AM
No word from Greg on a tie breaker... hoping we'll hear from him.....

I'm thinking we'll lose one of our undefeated teams today as Defiance plays at D1 Oakland.... if it happens, they'll move over to our undefeated vs D3 only list...  Oakland is only 4-10, and two of their wins are against non-D1 schools... but they recently lost to Michigan State by only 4 points....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 27, 2013, 09:34:14 AM
Heading into the Michigan State game, it was reported that Oakland had the toughest schedule in all of D-1 to that point.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2013, 04:39:55 AM
As expected, Defiance loses to D1 Oakland, falling off our undefeated list... undefeated numbers now at 11

Defiance moves to undefeated vs D3 only list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2013, 09:08:59 AM
Guilford drops off undefeated list with a loss to Dickinson, 90-75

10 teams left on undefeated list


George Fox drops off undefeated vs D3 only list as they lose to UW-Platteville  98-91
Defiance is added to the list with their loss to Oakland..
5 teams on undefeated vs D3 only list

Winless list unchanged at 11

Willamette drops off of Winless vs D3 only list with 79-57 win over UC Santa
Cruz

Winless vs D3 only list drops to 15
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 29, 2013, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: augie77 on December 27, 2013, 09:34:14 AM
Heading into the Michigan State game, it was reported that Oakland had the toughest schedule in all of D-1 to that point.

Oakland opened their season with games at North Carolina and at UCLA about 4 days apart.  Traveled up to Berkley to play at California 3 days later and up to Spokane 2 days after that to play Gonzaga.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
Albertus Magnus falls off the undefeated list, Losing to D1 Central Connecticut, 85-82

This drops our undefeated list to 9, but increases our undefeated vs D1 only list to 6
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2013, 04:05:13 AM
Just realized that U of Dallas had a loss to Marymount early in the season in a tourney game that I misidentified, so they do not belong on the undefeated vs D3 list only... to add to that, they lost at Macmurray yesterday too...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2013, 08:53:35 PM
Adrian drops off the winless vs D3 list, beating Hiram on 12/29     64-59
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
So here is where we stand through 12/29

Undefeated     (8)   Contest won by Greek Tragedy with UWSP

Bowdoin
Cabrini
Daniel Webster
Dubuque
Husson
Messiah
SUNY-Purchase
UW-Stevens Point


Undefeated vs D3 only  (5)

Albertus Magnus
Colorado College
Defiance
Lewis and Clark
Wooster


Winless Contest

WINLESS Contest
FCGrizzlies----Cairn (1)     
smedindy----Wheelock
hopefan----Blackburn College   
Greg Sager----Cairn (2)

Winless  (11)

Anderson
Blackburn
Cairn
Dominican
D'Youville
Fitchburg State
Frostburg State
Huntingdon
Martin Luther
Newbury
Wheelock

Winless vs D3 only  (14)

Gallaudet
Greensboro
Maine Maritime
Maranatha Baptist
North Carolina Wesleyan
Olivet
Polytechnic
Potsdam State
Simpson
SUNY-Cobleskill
Texas Lutheran
Whittier
William Peace
Worcester State

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on December 30, 2013, 10:20:21 PM
Colorado College drops off the list with a 93-90 loss in overtime to Babson. Same goes for Defiance which loses 75-62 to Ohio Wesleyan. Respectable ways to exit the room.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2013, 07:12:45 AM
Lots of games yesterday, but the only changes to our lists are the two Gordon mentioned... losses by Defiance and Colorado College drop our list of undefeated vs D3 only to 3....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 31, 2013, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 27, 2013, 05:33:51 AM
No word from Greg on a tie breaker... hoping we'll hear from him.....

I'm thinking we'll lose one of our undefeated teams today as Defiance plays at D1 Oakland.... if it happens, they'll move over to our undefeated vs D3 only list...  Oakland is only 4-10, and two of their wins are against non-D1 schools... but they recently lost to Michigan State by only 4 points....

Sorry. I haven't had computer access for the past week, and I probably won't have computer access again until next week. (I'm vacationing with the family.) I'll take Wheelock as my tiebreaker.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2013, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 31, 2013, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 27, 2013, 05:33:51 AM
No word from Greg on a tie breaker... hoping we'll hear from him.....

I'm thinking we'll lose one of our undefeated teams today as Defiance plays at D1 Oakland.... if it happens, they'll move over to our undefeated vs D3 only list...  Oakland is only 4-10, and two of their wins are against non-D1 schools... but they recently lost to Michigan State by only 4 points....

Sorry. I haven't had computer access for the past week, and I probably won't have computer access again until next week. (I'm vacationing with the family.) I'll take Wheelock as my tiebreaker.

Good to hear from you.. my original comment was that the choice had to be one of the schools Not yet picked, but if Grizz is ok with it, I am ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2014, 09:02:55 AM
No changes on our lists on 12/31/13
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2014, 09:49:29 PM
on 1/2/14

Greensboro falls off the winless vs D3 only list, beating Oneonta  St    91-75
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2014, 04:02:38 AM
Lewis and Clark drops off undefeated vs D3 only list,  losing to Puget Sound  85-72


Albertus Magnus and Wooster remain on that list....


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2014, 09:42:50 AM
A large number of games yesterday... here's where our lists stand:

Undefeated  (8)    No Changes!!

Bowdoin
Cabrini
Daniel Webster
Dubuque
Husson
Messiah
SUNY-Purchase
UW-Stevens Point


Undefeated vs D3 only  (2)

Albertus Magnus
Wooster


Winless moves from 11 to 8
    Anderson beats Transylvania 67-60
     Dominican beats Wisconsin Lutheran  74-71
     Huntingdon beats Greensboro  89-88

Remaining Winless

Blackburn   (hopefan)
Cairn     (FCGriz 1, Greg Sager 2)
D'Youville
Fitchburg State
Frostburg State
Martin Luther
Newbury
Wheelock   (smedindy)

Winless vs D3 Only moves from 13 to 11

    Worcester State beats Wheaton (Mass)  69-58
    William Peace beats Immaculata  85-77

Remaining on winless vs D3 only list :

Gallaudet
Greensboro
Maine Maritime
Maranatha Baptist
North Carolina Wesleyan
Olivet
Polytechnic
Potsdam State
Simpson
SUNY-Cobleskill
Texas Lutheran    note TexLu is 5-6 overall
Whittier     note whittier is 4-5 overall
   



     
       
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2014, 07:38:10 PM
Of the winless mens teams, here's the schools that are having little success with the women as well

Newbury 1-7
Wheelock 1-8
Blackburn 1-9
Cairn 0-10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2014, 02:49:48 AM
no changes to our lists on 1/5, 1/6   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2014, 11:54:42 AM
On 1/8 Undefeated Cabrini 9-0 hosts winless Cairn 0-10. Seeing that trend continue.  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2014, 12:55:33 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 07, 2014, 11:54:42 AM
On 1/8 Undefeated Cabrini 9-0 hosts winless Cairn 0-10. Seeing that trend continue.  ::)

point spread anyone? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 07, 2014, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 07, 2014, 12:55:33 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 07, 2014, 11:54:42 AM
On 1/8 Undefeated Cabrini 9-0 hosts winless Cairn 0-10. Seeing that trend continue.  ::)

point spread anyone? ;D

punched it into massey's score predictor.

114.2-66.1 avg in a 7 game series, average margin of 48,

take the points......maybe.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2014, 02:04:12 PM
The closest Cairn has gotten in the series(10 games) is 16 points at home early in the year Cavs went to title game. Avg. score is Cabrini 85.5 to Cairn's 59.7. A 25.8 point spread. Cavs haven't put up 100 pts on them yet. They scored 99 in the last meeting.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2014, 04:40:46 AM
Daniel Webster falls off undefeated list, losing to Mitchell  82-73

Now 7 teams remaining undefeated, 8 teams winless

2 teams fall off winless vs D3 only, cutting list from 11 to 9

North Carolina Wesleyan beats William Peace 68-56
Potsdam State beats Manhattanville  68-65
Greensboro should have been off last list with win over Oneonta St
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 08, 2014, 09:45:01 PM
Cabrini 91 Cairn 51
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2014, 01:41:44 AM
In another battle of 'listed' opponents

Martin Luther beats Maranatha Baptist  81-65
Martin Luther falls off the winless list, leaving 7 on the list
Maranatha stays on the winless vs D3 only list


2 others fall off the winless vs D3 only list, cutting the number to 7

Whittier beats Occidental  95-63
Olivet beats Adrian  88-83

Here are lists through 1/9/14

Undefeated  (7)

Bowdoin
Cabrini
Dubuque
Husson
Messiah
SUNY-Purchase
UW-Stevens Point


Undefeated vs D3 only  (2)

Albertus Magnus
Wooster


Winless (7)

Blackburn   (hopefan)
Cairn     (FCGriz 1, Greg Sager 2)
D'Youville
Fitchburg State
Frostburg State
Newbury
Wheelock   (smedindy)    note Wheelock and Newbury play twice, the first on 1/18

Winless vs D3 Only (7)

Gallaudet    note Gallaudet and SUNY-Cobleskill play twice, the first on 1/26
Maine Maritime
Maranatha Baptist
Polytechnic
Simpson
SUNY-Cobleskill
Texas Lutheran   


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2014, 07:37:52 AM
D'Youville gets their first win, beating Pitt-Greensburg  86-79   Winless numbers cut to 6

Gallaudet beats Keuka  58-57 to come off winless vs D3 list only list.... that list now at 6

and Blackburn keeps hopefan alive in the winless contest, missing a last second shot to lose to Principia by one

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 12, 2014, 11:09:53 AM
Nice work, hopefan1! Nice to keep up on the lists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 13, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
SCOUTING THE LISTS:

Undefeated  (7) - Lowest Massey Win Probability

Bowdoin - 2/1 vs. Amherst (41%)
Cabrini - 1/29 @ Gwynedd - Mercy (78%)
Dubuque - 1/25 @ Loras (46%)
Husson - 1/21 vs. Bates (49%)
Messiah - 1/15 @ Stevenson (46%)
SUNY-Purchase - 1/27 @ Albertus Magnus (64%)
UW-Stevens Point - 2/5 @ UW-Whitewater (46%)

Undefeated vs D3 only  (2) - Lowest Massey Win Probability

Albertus Magnus - 1/27 vs. Purchase (36%)
Wooster - 1/18 @ Wittenberg (62%)


Winless (6) - Highest Massey Win Probability

Blackburn   (hopefan) - 2/15 @ Iowa Wesleyan (30%)
Cairn     (FCGriz 1, Greg Sager 2) - 1/13 vs. Centenary (17%), 1/25 vs. Immaculata (17%)
Fitchburg State - 2/4 @ Framingham St. (25%)
Frostburg State - 2/19 vs. York (43%)
Newbury - 2/12 vs. Wheelock (58%)
Wheelock   (smedindy)  - 1/18 vs. Newbury (54%)

Winless vs D3 Only (6) - Highest Massey Win Probability

Maine Maritime - 2/14 vs. Johnson St. (29%)
Maranatha Baptist - 1/18 @ Dominican (5%)
Polytechnic - 2/22 vs. Mt. St. Vincent (18%)
Simpson - 1/25 vs. Wartburg (37%)
SUNY-Cobleskill - 2/12 vs. Cazenovia (78%)
Texas Lutheran   - 1/17 vs. U. Dallas (61%)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2014, 12:11:22 PM
Good stuff Smed... here's another funny one about Maranatha...

While I havent updated my D3 vs everyone else standings in a while (maybe tonight), the contest of D3 vs NAIA-D2 remains close... D3 is 4 games back... there are 11 games vs NAIA-D2 remaining, so D3 needs to go 8-3 in those 11 to finish ahead... several of those games are against Fisher, who appears to be pretty weak this year, so there is still a chance D3 can do it

Unfortunately, the last game on the schedule for the season between D3 and NAIA-D2, on Feb 22, is between Maranatha and Clarke... imagine if after something like 140 games, we're dead even.. and Maranatha has the eyes of the D3 world on them for the matchup with Clarke...
WHAT PRESSURE!!! :o :o :o   ... given Clarke is 11-6 with wins over Buena Vista UW-Oshkosh, I'd assume Maranatha's chances of winning are even less than the 5% with Dominican.. ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2014, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 13, 2014, 12:11:22 PM
Good stuff Smed... here's another funny one about Maranatha...

While I havent updated my D3 vs everyone else standings in a while (maybe tonight), the contest of D3 vs NAIA-D2 remains close... D3 is 4 games back... there are 11 games vs NAIA-D2 remaining, so D3 needs to go 8-3 in those 11 to finish ahead... several of those games are against Fisher, who appears to be pretty weak this year, so there is still a chance D3 can do it

Unfortunately, the last game on the schedule for the season between D3 and NAIA-D2, on Feb 22, is between Maranatha and Clarke... imagine if after something like 140 games, we're dead even.. and Maranatha has the eyes of the D3 world on them for the matchup with Clarke...
WHAT PRESSURE!!! :o :o :o   ... given Clarke is 11-6 with wins over Buena Vista UW-Oshkosh, I'd assume Maranatha's chances of winning are even less than the 5% with Dominican.. ::) ::)

I think if it's that close to .500 with NAIA-2, then we've already lost.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 13, 2014, 09:08:22 PM
Cabrini stays undefeated. 84-62 over Immaculata.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 13, 2014, 11:40:45 PM
Cairn finally wins. :o 78-69 over Centenary(NJ).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 14, 2014, 12:52:01 AM
That 17% came through!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2014, 07:31:54 AM
WOW.. Cairn wins.. HUGE news in this room!!! 

Greg Sager and FCGriz eliminated from Winless contest

And the winless contest comes down to:

Blackburn   (hopefan - going for the repeat after being lat year's co-champ with Principia, along with Sac's pick of Franciscan)

Wheelock   (Smedindy)

Have to admit Blackburn has really snuck by with 2 one point losses and a 5 point loss...

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: warriorcat on January 15, 2014, 10:51:27 PM
Stevenson 103   Messiah 99 in 2OT 

6 undefeated teams left
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2014, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 14, 2014, 07:31:54 AM
WOW.. Cairn wins.. HUGE news in this room!!! 

Greg Sager and FCGriz eliminated from Winless contest

And the winless contest comes down to:

Blackburn   (hopefan - going for the repeat after being lat year's co-champ with Principia, along with Sac's pick of Franciscan)

Wheelock   (Smedindy)

Have to admit Blackburn has really snuck by with 2 one point losses and a 5 point loss...

I haven't actually tallied the ballots, but my impression is that posters are favoring Wheelock over Newbury in the national pickems. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2014, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 15, 2014, 10:51:27 PM
Stevenson 103   Messiah 99 in 2OT 

6 undefeated teams left

Must have been a heck of a game....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: warriorcat on January 18, 2014, 09:56:17 AM
Another one bites the dust

Williams    69      Bowdoin   64
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2014, 10:59:40 AM
Let's update lists through 1/17/14

Undefeated  (5)    (Bowdoin falls to Williams, Messiah loses to Stevenson)

Cabrini
Dubuque
Husson
SUNY-Purchase
UW-Stevens Point


Undefeated vs D3 only  (2)

Albertus Magnus
Wooster


Winless (3)    Cairn beats Centenary NJ 78-69, D'Youville beats Pitt-Greensburg 86-79,
                         Fitchburg St beats Massachussets College  77-75,
                           Frostburg St beats Southern Virginia  77-67

Blackburn   (hopefan)
Newbury
Wheelock   (smedindy)    note Wheelock and Newbury play today


Winless vs D3 Only (6)   Gallaudet beats Keuka 58-57

Maine Maritime
Maranatha Baptist
Polytechnic
Simpson
SUNY-Cobleskill
Texas Lutheran   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: SgtPaul on January 18, 2014, 05:40:22 PM
As is befitting, Wheelock and  Newbury are going to OT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: SgtPaul on January 18, 2014, 05:56:55 PM
Wheelock maintains its winless status by losing in overtime to previously winless Newbury. Smedindy stays alive in the winless pool.  Both remaining teams have had close calls with victory this week.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2014, 11:31:44 AM
Well, as SgtPaul tells us the big news is that Newbury comes off the winless list, nipping Wheelock in OT... Newbury tied it at 53-53 with 1:42 remaining in regulation and neither team could score again until OT..

That reduces our winless list to two, Blackburn and Wheelock, both represented in our losers contest, Wheelock by Smedindy, Blackburn by hopefan.... Best of Luck Smed!!!

In the only other change to our lists, Simpson drops off the winless vs D3 only list,
Simpson 95  Luther 91

The winless vs D3 only list now at 5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2014, 08:42:22 PM

If only for that truly awful (non-d3) Maine-Augusta team, my Maine-Maritime pick would be gold.  They've not been close and they've played some pretty bad teams so far.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2014, 04:05:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 19, 2014, 08:42:22 PM

If only for that truly awful (non-d3) Maine-Augusta team, my Maine-Maritime pick would be gold.  They've not been close and they've played some pretty bad teams so far.

Surprisingly, Maine Augusta does have two wins thus far this year.. over northern Maine CC, and over Vermont Tech..evidently competition is sparse enough in the far,far northeast that some schedules get filled with two year schools.    Vermont Tech has a handful of wins, 2 of them over NAIA-D2 Fisher, the school that may propel D3 to a winning record  over NAIA-D2 in the next month.  Fisher has beaten several New England D3 teams

Not sure where all this goes... except yes, definitely at the bottom of the college hoops chain if we're not including some of the Christian School programs....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
SMED ALERT...  SMED ALERT

Watch out tomorrow... Eureka at Blackburn.... Blackburn could have a chance in this one....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: warriorcat on January 21, 2014, 09:15:39 PM
Husson drops from the ranks of the undefeated.

Bates  79   Husson  58
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 21, 2014, 09:17:46 PM
I wouldn't call that a drop. I'd call that a plummet. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2014, 05:15:03 AM
Blackburn drops off the Winless list in earthquake fashion, beating Eureka 88-51, and hopefan, looking for a winless championship repeat is dropped like a rock.. er a boulder!!

Smedindy is this year's winless champ with Wheelock, now the lone remaining winless team. 

SUNY-Cobleskill jumps off the winless vs D3 only list, beating Keuka 71-62... that list has shrunk to 4
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2014, 06:41:11 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 23, 2014, 05:15:03 AM
Blackburn drops off the Winless list in earthquake fashion, beating Eureka 88-51, and hopefan, looking for a winless championship repeat is dropped like a rock.. er a boulder!!

Smedindy is this year's winless champ with Wheelock, now the lone remaining winless team. 

SUNY-Cobleskill jumps off the winless vs D3 only list, beating Keuka 71-62... that list has shrunk to 4

Smed must have known something I didn't.  Wheelock was my first go-to schedule when choosing, but the lack of talent there scared me off.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 23, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
Ay, it was just a hunch, and a quick look at last year's Massey Ratings...-
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2014, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 23, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
Ay, it was just a hunch, and a quick look at last year's Massey Ratings...-

Smed ends up winning the crown by ONE day, as Wheelock wins over Mount Ida 71-60

NO WINLESS TEAMS REMAINING...the season of 2013-14 for following the winless is closed
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 24, 2014, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 24, 2014, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 23, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
Ay, it was just a hunch, and a quick look at last year's Massey Ratings...-

Smed ends up winning the crown by ONE day, as Wheelock wins over Mount Ida 71-60

NO WINLESS TEAMS REMAINING...the season of 2013-14 for following the winless is closed

Glory!

We still have winless vs. D3 to worry about!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2014, 03:25:41 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 24, 2014, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 24, 2014, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 23, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
Ay, it was just a hunch, and a quick look at last year's Massey Ratings...-

Smed ends up winning the crown by ONE day, as Wheelock wins over Mount Ida 71-60

NO WINLESS TEAMS REMAINING...the season of 2013-14 for following the winless is closed

Glory!

We still have winless vs. D3 to worry about!

I'm convinced Maine-Maritime will be the last team standing (or laying down) when all is said and done.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 24, 2014, 03:25:41 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 24, 2014, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 24, 2014, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 23, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
Ay, it was just a hunch, and a quick look at last year's Massey Ratings...-

Smed ends up winning the crown by ONE day, as Wheelock wins over Mount Ida 71-60

NO WINLESS TEAMS REMAINING...the season of 2013-14 for following the winless is closed

Glory!

We still have winless vs. D3 to worry about!

I'm convinced Maine-Maritime will be the last team standing (or laying down)

Or dog-paddling.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2014, 12:23:12 AM
Texas Lutheran falls off undefeated vs D3 list, beating Centenary 90-83.

That list drops to three....  Maine-Maritime, Maranatha Baptist, and NYU-Poly
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 25, 2014, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 25, 2014, 12:23:12 AM
Texas Lutheran falls off undefeated vs D3 list, beating Centenary 90-83.

That list drops to three....  Maine-Maritime, Maranatha Baptist, and NYU-Poly

NYU-Poly beat Sarah Lawrence 76-75 in the 2nd game of the year.  Are we not counting Sarah?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2014, 04:51:15 PM
no  I have Sarah Lawrence in a list of D3 exploratories/provisionals that I do not count as D3 because they play a large % of their games vs non-D3 teams.. they are not yet playing as a member of a D3 conference like Southern Virginia or Iowa Wesleyan are....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
As you undoubtedly saw on the Front Page (http://d3hoops.com/landing/index), Wooster is off the unbeaten-vs-D3 list, losing at DePauw 78-74 this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2014, 08:26:00 PM
Dubuque falls off the undefeated list, losing to Loras  76-66

Our lists have really thinned out

Undefeated  (3)
UW-Stevens Point
Cabrini
SUNY-Purchase

Undefeated vs D3 only  (1)
Albertus Magnus

Winless
none

Winless vs D3 Only  (3)
Maine Maritime
NYU-Poly
Maranatha Baptist





Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 26, 2014, 08:29:14 PM
It will thin a little more tomorrow after Purchase and Albertus Magnus play.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 26, 2014, 08:29:14 PM
It will thin a little more tomorrow after Purchase and Albertus Magnus play.

Thanks Griz.... I never even noticed
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: warriorcat on January 27, 2014, 10:35:39 PM
Albertus Magnus 87   SUNY Purchase  79

One fewer undefeated team.  Albertus remains on the undefeated in D III list.  Their only loss was to Div 1 Central Connecticut.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2014, 10:41:07 PM
Kudos to Albertus and Purchase State for an entertaining game and tremendous starts to the season. Their coaches have done a great job building those programs.

And while Monday night football is done for a while, we'll another entertaining game next Monday between No. 2 Cabrini and No. 9 Wesley next Monday. We'll be working with Cabrini to broadcast that game next week.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 27, 2014, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 27, 2014, 10:41:07 PM
Kudos to Albertus and Purchase State for an entertaining game and tremendous starts to the season. Their coaches have done a great job building those programs.

And while Monday night football is done for a while, we'll another entertaining game next Monday between No. 2 Cabrini and No. 9 Wesley next Monday. We'll be working with Cabrini to broadcast that game next week.

Great! Looking to see you again Gordon. Should be an entertaining game!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2014, 11:19:19 PM
Yes.  I'm looking forward to that game much more than the one in another sport on Sunday. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 27, 2014, 11:23:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 27, 2014, 11:19:19 PM
Yes.  I'm looking forward to that game much more than the one in another sport on Sunday. :)

Maybe this first meeting will get snowed out too!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pjunito on February 01, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
Albertus falls hard off the list...

St. Joe's (ME) 74 - Albertus 55
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 02, 2014, 12:01:01 PM
NYU-Poly falls off the winless vss D3 list.. beating SUNY-Maritime  69-63.....

Only Maranatha Baptist and Maine Maritime left on the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 02, 2014, 01:17:32 PM
Is this the list?

Undefeated  (2)
UW-Stevens Point
Cabrini


Undefeated vs D3 only  - NONE

Winless - NONE

Winless vs D3 Only  (2)
Maine Maritime
Maranatha Baptist
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 02, 2014, 01:49:56 PM
That would be it!!!!   ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2014, 01:51:18 PM
I've played on teams that finished a season without winning a single game. So it's good to see everyone get at least one win, even if it's not against D3 teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on February 02, 2014, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 02, 2014, 01:51:18 PM
I've played on teams that finished a season without winning a single game. So it's good to see everyone get at least one win, even if it's not against D3 teams.

Amen to that! As fun as the Undefeated and Winless lists are, I sincerely hope that EVERY team gets off the winless track as early as possible. Each of the players works way too hard to not get rewarded with a win!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 06, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
We're now reduced to this, which is kind of expected with this wacky year. Even I can update this without hopefan's help.

Undefeated  (1)
Cabrini - The largest question is will they ever play again? Sad to see their game against Wesley go up in flames as the nay-sayers and elitists won't be satisfied.


Undefeated vs D3 only  - NONE

Winless - NONE

Winless vs D3 Only  (2)
Maine Maritime - Best chance is an 8% shot of taking down Johnson State. Yowch.
Maranatha Baptist - Only D3 game left is Wisconsin Lutheran, where they have a 1% shot.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 06, 2014, 02:59:56 PM
have we had a season without an undefeated or winless team?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 06, 2014, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
Undefeated  (1)
Cabrini - The largest question is will they ever play again? Sad to see their game against Wesley go up in flames as the nay-sayers and elitists won't be satisfied.

I think it's safe to say that the nay-sayers and elitists would not be impressed overmuch by a win over Wesley.

Might work for Sheldon, though.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaxfenig.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F04%2FWesleyCrushers.jpg&hash=fb34c7c64cb75b88eb58508cc7d48325cdc78c09)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 06, 2014, 06:59:24 PM
Wesley? 7th in Massey! Yeah, if Cabrini beat them a hush would fall.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 06, 2014, 07:05:55 PM
In looking at all major levels (NCAA, NAIA), Cabrini is one of the very few undefeated teams left:

Syracuse
Wichita State
East Stroudsburg
Cabrini

As for winless:
Urbana
Bethel (KS)
Illinois Tech

I'm sure there are more out there in USCAA and NCCAA land (and other even lower levels) but how accurate and up-to-date would that data be.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 06, 2014, 07:49:54 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2014, 06:59:24 PM
Wesley? 7th in Massey! Yeah, if Cabrini beat them a hush would fall.
But, Cabrini is 4th in Massey. If the nay-sayers and elitists cared what Massey says, the game with Wesley would not be necessary to convert them. But unless it's Wisconsin-Wesley or Wesley Wesleyan, there are those who will remain unimpressed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 06, 2014, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 06, 2014, 07:49:54 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2014, 06:59:24 PM
Wesley? 7th in Massey! Yeah, if Cabrini beat them a hush would fall.
But, Cabrini is 4th in Massey. If the nay-sayers and elitists cared what Massey says, the game with Wesley would not be necessary to convert them. But unless it's Wisconsin-Wesley or Wesley Wesleyan, there are those who will remain unimpressed.

Very nice. UW-Wesley Wesleyan..  ;D

I know less about Wesley than Cabrini. I like Cabrini. They were National runners-up two years ago and sectional finalist last year, or something like that. I'm impressed. Wesley, no idea.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 06, 2014, 07:05:55 PM
In looking at all major levels (NCAA, NAIA), Cabrini is one of the very few undefeated teams left:

Syracuse
Wichita State
East Stroudsburg
Cabrini


As for winless:
Urbana
Bethel (KS)
Illinois Tech

I'm sure there are more out there in USCAA and NCCAA land (and other even lower levels) but how accurate and up-to-date would that data be.

Wow. Two Pennsylvania schools!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2014, 06:42:57 AM
 :o :o :o

I can't believe we all missed it, but Maine Maritime came off the winless vs D3 only list  !!!!

On Feb 8.... Maine Maritime 87   New England College  75

This leaves only Maranatha Baptist on the winless vs D3 only list
In reality, Maranatha probably shouldn't have been included in this contest... they dropped out of the NACC just this season and are listed as a D3 Independent, but played only 8 games vs D3 competition
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2014, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 12, 2014, 06:42:57 AM
:o :o :o

I can't believe we all missed it, but Maine Maritime came off the winless vs D3 only list  !!!!

On Feb 8.... Maine Maritime 87   New England College  75

This leaves only Maranatha Baptist on the winless vs D3 only list
In reality, Maranatha probably shouldn't have been included in this contest... they dropped out of the NACC just this season and are listed as a D3 Independent, but played only 8 games vs D3 competition

So can I claim some sort of victory, then?  I did indeed choose the worst team in d3, even if I didn't win the contest in its traditional form.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2014, 08:14:38 PM
... and down goes Frazier Cabrini.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 17, 2014, 04:56:09 PM
Quote from: sac on February 06, 2014, 02:59:56 PM
have we had a season without an undefeated or winless team?

We have now :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
BEFORE YOU GUYS GET ANY BRIGHT IDEAS!  >:(

NO OFFICIAL PICKS WILL BE ACCEPTED BEFORE SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 1. FEEL FREE TO STAY UP UNTIL 12:00:01 A.M. EASTERN TIME TO MAKE YOUR SELECTION.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on March 25, 2014, 12:13:55 PM
Is that 12 EDT?  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: smedindy on March 25, 2014, 12:13:55 PM
Is that 12 EDT?  ;)

Depends if I'm awake.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 30, 2014, 02:01:00 AM
Only 46 more hours until we can choose our Undefeated and Winless teams. Time to study the candidates.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2014, 02:10:52 AM
Quote from: magicman on October 30, 2014, 02:01:00 AM
Only 46 more hours until we can choose our Undefeated and Winless teams. Time to study the candidates.
I was hoping no one would realize it until after I had picked. You've completely ruined my inadequate plans :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 30, 2014, 06:45:47 AM
That's Eastern time in the UNITED STATES.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2014, 06:55:13 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 30, 2014, 06:45:47 AM
That's Eastern time in the UNITED STATES.
US Eastern standard time or US Eastern daylight time? :P
Of course I'm from Indiana so I'm still not entirely used to the whole spring forward fall back thing. I give it another 20 years of arguing and then we'll decide to make another change and move to central time ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on October 30, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
Are we going to allow picks of schools within the provisional status window?

Minimum on D3 games played?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 30, 2014, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: sac on October 30, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
Are we going to allow picks of schools within the provisional status window?

Minimum on D3 games played?

We shouldn't. Too many of them suck.     On second thought I've got a good provisional in mind. ;D Seriously though I don't think we've done that in the past sac, but it's up to the Commissioner. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on October 30, 2014, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: magicman on October 30, 2014, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: sac on October 30, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
Are we going to allow picks of schools within the provisional status window?

Minimum on D3 games played?

We shouldn't. Too many of them suck.     On second thought I've got a good provisional in mind. ;D Seriously though I don't we've done that in the past sac, but it's up to the Commissioner.

I just couldn't remember if we did before.  I'm old now.



One thing I'm noticing on the winless side, a lot of the 'usual suspects' are playing multiple games against other 'usual suspects'. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 31, 2014, 01:25:25 AM
Quote from: magicman on October 30, 2014, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: sac on October 30, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
Are we going to allow picks of schools within the provisional status window?

Minimum on D3 games played?

We shouldn't. Too many of them suck.     On second thought I've got a good provisional in mind. ;D Seriously though I don't think we've done that in the past sac, but it's up to the Commissioner. 
I have a couple teams I'm looking at but need to be sure on the rules. I tried finding them last year and didn't really see any (other than setting a date to start picking).

A few other rule questions... Do they have to be a D3 team? Can they be a women's team? Do they have to play basketball? Does it have to be this season? :D
If those are all possible I think I'll go with the 2012 Maryland-Eastern Shore Women's Softball team ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 31, 2014, 06:20:22 AM
D3. Men's college basketball. United States. This season. If we didn't use provisional before, we won't now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 31, 2014, 06:37:46 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 31, 2014, 06:20:22 AM
D3. Men's college basketball. United States. This season. If we didn't use provisional before, we won't now.
That clears up most questions... but was there a rule about minimum number of D3 opponents? I don't think there was but I'm not positive about it.
O Mighty Commissioner... please lay down thy word *kneels*
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on October 31, 2014, 11:47:34 AM
I think people have picked UMPI before. Pick them at your peril. They have games against Unity - and not in hacky sack.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2014, 12:46:45 PM
 I've encountered the UMPI HC-WBB at 2 Mid-Atlantic AAU tourneys this summer; maybe they've increased the recruiting budget across the board and will become less of a survivor contender.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
I can't stand to not join the fray, but want to lose early so I can then ignore the contest. ;)

I'll pick Earlham for undefeated and Amherst for winless!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 31, 2014, 05:31:46 PM
Well, crap, Chuck. Now you've going to make me root for your teams. And I don't like that at all.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.forbesimg.com%2Fmedia%2Flists%2Fcolleges%2Fearlham-college_200x200.jpg&hash=2c9212c4dc373dc373436a65e8f1cf68502b082e)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2014, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 31, 2014, 05:31:46 PM
Well, crap, Chuck. Now you've going to make me root for your teams. And I don't like that at all.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.forbesimg.com%2Fmedia%2Flists%2Fcolleges%2Fearlham-college_200x200.jpg&hash=2c9212c4dc373dc373436a65e8f1cf68502b082e)

Don't worry, Greg.  I'll make real picks in a few days.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
Undefeated: Albertus Magnus
Winless: Pine Manor
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2014, 12:01:43 AM
In this year of no clear cut favorite for #1 and so much uncertainty in the Top 25 my Undefeated pick will be my hometown Plattsburgh State Cardinals who have as good a chance as anyone to tun the table. Let the games begin!!

I know that FCGrizzlies will probably beat me in making the 1st choice because he has high speed internet and I don't. :P


For a Winless team I choose my old favorite Caltech 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
Being West Coastie has its advantages.

Undefeated: Wooster
Winless : D'Youville
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2014, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 12:01:43 AM
I know that FCGrizzlies will probably beat me in making the 1st choice because he has high speed internet and I don't. :P
Hey... I waited an entire 2 seconds after midnight to give everyone a chance :D

Albertus has a couple tough early games with likely Richard Stockton game 2, then Purchase not long after. If they survive those two then they might not lose the rest of the season.
Pine Manor is just starting their mens team this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2014, 12:15:58 AM
Hey Grizz,

I think you better find an alternate choice. Pine Manor is D3 because they have other teams that have already competed in D3 but they have never had a basketball team. This year's team is a club team and none of their results will even count in another D3 teams won-lost record. If you play them and win it's like the game never took place as far as the NCAA is concerned. I know this because they ended up in a tournament at Buffalo that Plattsburgh State was going to participate in because the Buff State coach called and told Plattsburgh's coach that he had a team cancel on him and would Plattsburgh, who at the time had an open date, please fill in for him as the 4th team. We agreed to do that only to discover they only had club status and the game woudn't count in our record. We quickly cancelled out of the tournament and Buff State cancelled the tournament because they didn't want to play them either. Pine Manor is worse than picking a provisional team and I don't think "club teams" are eligible for this contest. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
They are on d3hoops.com as having a team. Their site says nothing about being a club team. Maybe Pat has a ruling on them.

The trip to Buffalo is on Pine Manor's schedule, but they are no longer on Buff State's.

15 minutes in and there's Controversy. Cue Prince...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2014, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
They are on d3hoops.com as having a team. Their site says nothing about being a club team. Maybe Pat has a ruling on them.

15 minutes in and there's Controversy. Cue Prince...

I had a discussion about them with Pat over 2 months ago. I didn't think their games would count because they were a first year program  and I thought they would have provisional status.

These were his replies:

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2014, 03:39:13 PM
Pine Manor will count -- what it will count for, I'm not sure, but they're a D-III program and will count (likely poorly) towards SOS, etc.

Quote from: magicman on August 18, 2014, 12:00:39 AM
Thanks Pat,
I saw this will be their first year with a men's program. Are they in their 1st year of provisional status?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2014, 11:24:45 AM
No, Pine Manor is a full Division III member and has been for some time now. Provisional status only applies to a school entering Division III for the first time, not new programs fielded by that school.

Then I was told by coaches from both schools that they were a club team and that Pine Manor's game  wouldn't count in Plattsburgh's or Buff State's standings. So both schools cancelled the games they had scheduled against them. That's all I know. ???     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2014, 12:54:41 AM
Undefeated: Amherst
Winless: Cairn
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:57:05 AM
I understand why they're not provisional. Provisional isn't based on sport, it's based on institution.

Does the NCAA have a ruling? Maybe the coaches just wanted an 'out' for playing a team they'd roll by 60 or so?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2014, 01:07:48 AM
I'm quite good at being a pest ;D

If I'm required to change I'll take Knox.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2014, 01:44:01 AM
Undefeated: Scranton
Winless: Wilson
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2014, 01:46:38 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:57:05 AM
Maybe the coaches just wanted an 'out' for playing a team they'd roll by 60 or so?

Plattsburgh's Coach Curle knew he'd win the game by a huge margin and he was fine with that until he found out that it wouldn't count as a game because of Pine Manor's club status. That's when both SUNYAC schools cancelled their games. Beating up on a D3 team that's not very good is one thing but if the win doesn't count as a win then what's the point?   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 01:59:35 AM
I don't know if club status is confirmed - maybe we say alleged club status until it's proven? I don't want to unfairly tag a team as not varsity, especially if they're just starting a program...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2014, 02:52:56 AM
I agree...I'm just repeating what I was told by the coaches. Maybe they were misinformed but they were told the game wouldn't count.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2014, 05:27:25 AM
Undefeated  :  Augustana....   I'll be in good shape for a while if they can get by Whitewater

Winless  :  Principia... quite the gamble as they open with Lincoln Christian... but if they lose there, I like my chances until Mid January when they have Iowa Wesleyan and STL Christian....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2014, 05:31:45 AM
Incidentally, I'm not running my spreadsheet this year, so somebody is going to have to track winless and undefeated catagories, as well as winless and undefeated vs D3... 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 01:44:01 AM
Undefeated: Scranton
Winless: Wilson

What region is Wilson in? I know they are in Pennslyvania and in the NEAC but couldn't find them in any region. Are all the NEAC teams going to be in the East Region? That's what KnightSlappy said over on the Conference Changes board back in September but the D3hoops Region breakdown doesn't show them all in the East. Right now D3hoops is showing 6 NEAC teams in the East and 4 NEAC teams in the Middle Atlantic. The other 3 teams..Wilson, Bryn Athyn, and Pennslyvania College of Technology aren't listed in any region. Maybe because Bryn Athyn and Pennslyvania College will be 1st year provisional members next year they aren't listed this year...but Wilson should be in some region.   
I see that  the Landmark is now all in the Middle Atlantic instead of multiple regions and the same goes for the CAC but the NEAC changes haven't been made. What's up with that Pat?   

At any rate, I think you may have the winner ronk. This is a first year program with almost no height to speak of. Unless they get ahold of the absent minded professor's formula for flubber they're in for a long season.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2014, 05:57:20 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2014, 05:31:45 AM
Incidentally, I'm not running my spreadsheet this year, so somebody is going to have to track winless and undefeated catagories, as well as winless and undefeated vs D3...

Whaaat??  ??? I thought now that you've retired you'd not only do those things that you did previously but even join us again on the pick em board and the NCAA fantasy league in March. Must be you have too much work now that you've retired. ;D
 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2014, 06:03:23 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 01:44:01 AM
Undefeated: Scranton
Winless: Wilson

What region is Wilson in? I know they are in Pennslyvania and in the NEAC but couldn't find them in any region. Are all the NEAC teams going to be in the East Region? That's what KnightSlappy said over on the Conference Changes board back in September but the D3hoops Region breakdown doesn't show them all in the East. Right now D3hoops is showing 6 NEAC teams in the East and 4 NEAC teams in the Middle Atlantic. The other 3 teams..Wilson, Bryn Athyn, and Pennslyvania College of Technology aren't listed in any region.
I see that  the Landmark is now all in the Middle Atlantic instead of multiple regions and the same goes for the CAC but the NEAC changes haven't been made. What's up with that Pat?   

At any rate, I think you may have the winner ronk. This is a first year program with almost no height to speak of. Unless they get ahold of the absent minded professor's formula for flubber they're in for a long season.   
I found their team page (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Wilson/Men/2014-15/index) and it says East.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2014, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2014, 05:31:45 AM
Incidentally, I'm not running my spreadsheet this year, so somebody is going to have to track winless and undefeated catagories, as well as winless and undefeated vs D3...

You're a made guy. You can't just quit the family life. Once you're in, there's no leaving. Am I going to have to call Guido and Lefty from Chicago to pay you a visit?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2014, 09:09:58 AM
Undefeated: Webster (why not?)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 01, 2014, 09:42:29 AM
Calvin to win and Frostburg St not to win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2014, 11:54:15 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2014, 09:09:58 AM
Undefeated: Webster (why not?)
Honestly, if they heal a couple of early season injuries quickly, and can get by UTD and Wash U,  you may be very happy with that selection (and I may be kicking myself for not being a homer  ;D ;D).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 01:44:01 AM
Undefeated: Scranton
Winless: Wilson

What region is Wilson in? I know they are in Pennslyvania and in the NEAC but couldn't find them in any region. Are all the NEAC teams going to be in the East Region? That's what KnightSlappy said over on the Conference Changes board back in September but the D3hoops Region breakdown doesn't show them all in the East. Right now D3hoops is showing 6 NEAC teams in the East and 4 NEAC teams in the Middle Atlantic. The other 3 teams..Wilson, Bryn Athyn, and Pennslyvania College of Technology aren't listed in any region. Maybe because Bryn Athyn and Pennslyvania College will be 1st year provisional members next year they aren't listed this year...but Wilson should be in some region.   
I see that  the Landmark is now all in the Middle Atlantic instead of multiple regions and the same goes for the CAC but the NEAC changes haven't been made. What's up with that Pat?   

At any rate, I think you may have the winner ronk. This is a first year program with almost no height to speak of. Unless they get ahold of the absent minded professor's formula for flubber they're in for a long season. 

Professor Fred Macmurray is Wilson's Chemistry Dept Chairman(post emeritus).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2014, 02:48:04 PM
Undefeated:  UWW

Winless:  TBD
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 01:44:01 AM
Undefeated: Scranton
Winless: Wilson

What region is Wilson in? I know they are in Pennslyvania and in the NEAC but couldn't find them in any region. Are all the NEAC teams going to be in the East Region? That's what KnightSlappy said over on the Conference Changes board back in September but the D3hoops Region breakdown doesn't show them all in the East. Right now D3hoops is showing 6 NEAC teams in the East and 4 NEAC teams in the Middle Atlantic. The other 3 teams..Wilson, Bryn Athyn, and Pennslyvania College of Technology aren't listed in any region. Maybe because Bryn Athyn and Pennslyvania College will be 1st year provisional members next year they aren't listed this year...but Wilson should be in some region.   
I see that  the Landmark is now all in the Middle Atlantic instead of multiple regions and the same goes for the CAC but the NEAC changes haven't been made. What's up with that Pat?   

At any rate, I think you may have the winner ronk. This is a first year program with almost no height to speak of. Unless they get ahold of the absent minded professor's formula for flubber they're in for a long season. 

Professor Fred Macmurray is Wilson's Chemistry Dept Chairman(post emeritus).

ronk,
that's almost unbelievable! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2014, 03:20:37 PM
Winless: Iowa Wesleyan

I'll probably be out very early, as their first four games are three Christian schools and Knox.  But if they can somehow lose to that 'murderer's row' of ineptitude, I'll like my chances very much.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2014, 06:25:31 PM
Undefeated: SUNY-Purchase.  They have AMC at home, Cabrini & Catholic on a neutral court.  The rest of the schedule stinks.

Winless: Blackburn.  Since someone already took Knox my first pick, I'll go with Blackburn instead.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2014, 07:21:37 PM
UT-Dallas for undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 02, 2014, 09:00:19 PM
Stevenson for undefeated
Northland for winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CityD3 on November 04, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
Albertus Magnus undefeated
Sarah Lawrence winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 04, 2014, 11:52:10 PM
Quote from: CityD3 on November 04, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
Albertus Magnus undefeated
Sarah Lawrence winless
You can have Albertus but be aware that you'll only be co-champ as they've been picked once already.
Sarah Lawrence is provisional and not eligible I believe
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 05, 2014, 12:05:09 AM
They are 4th year provisional though. Almost, almost there. Plus they play just one non D3 team I see; their season closer against NJIT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2014, 12:06:26 AM
Haven't seen a list of the picks so far so here you go...

Undefeated
FCGrizzliesGrad: Albertus Magnus (1)
magicman: Plattsburgh St
smedindy: Wooster
Gregory Sager: Amherst
ronk: Scranton
hopefan: Augustana
Greek Tragedy: Webster
KnightSlappy: Calvin
Mr. Ypsi: UW-Whitewater
7express: SUNY-Purchase
Ralph Turner: UT-Dallas
augie77: Stevenson
CityD3: Albertus Magnus (2)

Winless
FCGrizzliesGrad: Pine Manor (ruling commissioner?) or Knox
magicman: Caltech
smedindy: D'Youville
Gregory Sager: Cairn
hopefan: Principia
ronk: Wilson
KnightSlappy: Frostburg St
Mr. Ypsi: Iowa Wesleyan (provisional status)
7express: Blackburn
augie77: Northland
CityD3: Sarah Lawrence (provisional status)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 05, 2014, 12:41:37 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2014, 12:06:26 AM
Haven't seen a list of the picks so far so here you go...

Undefeated
FCGrizzliesGrad: Albertus Magnus (1)
magicman: Plattsburgh St
smedindy: Wooster
Gregory Sager: Amherst
ronk: Scranton
hopefan: Augustana
Greek Tragedy: Webster
KnightSlappy: Calvin
Mr. Ypsi: UW-Whitewater
7express: SUNY-Purchase
Ralph Turner: UT-Dallas
augie77: Stevenson
CityD3: Albertus Magnus (2)

Winless
FCGrizzliesGrad: Pine Manor (ruling commissioner?) or Knox
magicman: Caltech
smedindy: D'Youville
Gregory Sager: Cairn
hopefan: Principia
ronk: Wilson
KnightSlappy: Frostburg St
Mr. Ypsi: Iowa Wesleyan (provisional status)
7express: Blackburn
augie77: Northland
CityD3: Sarah Lawrence (provisional status)

If Griz's Pine Manor pick gets upheld by the commissioner and he gets to keep the Pine Manor pick  I'd like to trade in my Blackburn selection for Knox since Knox would be a free agent.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dahlby on November 05, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
Undefeated..Whitworth
Winless...Rust
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 05, 2014, 04:31:56 AM
I guess you guys picking provisional schools may have missed this post by the commissioner.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 31, 2014, 06:20:22 AM
D3. Men's college basketball. United States. This season. If we didn't use provisional before, we won't now.

And since we didn't use provisional teams in the past I don't think we are now. Several players should choose new teams or run the risk of probable disqualification.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 05, 2014, 10:24:33 AM

Most of the teams I like for undefeated have one game that's scary they'll need to get through to have a chance to win.

While I think Albertus Magnus has the best shot to go undefeated, I'm going to take the homer pick and choose Eastern Nazarene College.  Weak early schedule - only one scary game before Christmas - lots of experience returning.  Plus I want them to win.


I'll jump on with Greg and Cairn for winless.  Makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 05, 2014, 11:08:57 AM
We could just not get everything in a bunch about it all...the fun for me starts when we have just a few winless left. Root, root, root for one win!  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 05, 2014, 11:53:56 AM
Winful - IWU

Non-Winful - Maranatha Baptist
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 05, 2014, 12:49:19 PM
No Pine Manor, no provisionals.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 05, 2014, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2014, 12:05:09 AM
They are 4th year provisional though. Almost, almost there. Plus they play just one non D3 team I see; their season closer against NJIT.

ALMOST only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 05, 2014, 01:35:24 PM
I think rather than considering provisional or non provisional status, a team's schedule should be taken into account...  they should have to play so many D3 games to be eligible... I won't say how many, but anywhere from 14 to 16 seems reasonable... 

For instance, we are eliminating Iowa Wesleyan for their provisional status, but they play 18 D3 games.. on the other hand we may allow John Gleich to select Maranatha (do they really have NCAA status?), but Maranatha only plays 7 D3 games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 05, 2014, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 05, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
Winless...Rust

Will we ever know if Rust wins a game?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 06, 2014, 03:57:46 AM
You guys sure make this harder than it should be, don't you.

Is MBBC eligible for D3 post season for men's basketball? I see their schedule lists the NCCAA post season tourney.

Are there other full fledged NCAA D3 members that are not eligible for post season play?

Maybe the requirement should be you have to be eligible for NCAA Division III post season play. I don't know and I guess I honestly don't care.

Anyway,  you guys figure it out.  If you want to include Pine Manor and provisionals and then just have qualifiers for all the winners, I don't care. You guys are big boys.

If you want to set the number of opponents against D3 teams, that's fine too. If you just want to include full fledged members and pat John on the back for taking advantage of the system,  more power to you.  Just make a decision.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 06, 2014, 08:44:03 AM
Winless: U. of New England
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 06, 2014, 09:11:30 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 06, 2014, 03:57:46 AM
You guys sure make this harder than it should be, don't you.

Is MBBC eligible for D3 post season for men's basketball? I see their schedule lists the NCCAA post season tourney.

Are there other full fledged NCAA D3 members that are not eligible for post season play?

Maybe the requirement should be you have to be eligible for NCAA Division III post season play. I don't know and I guess I honestly don't care.

Anyway,  you guys figure it out.  If you want to include Pine Manor and provisionals and then just have qualifiers for all the winners, I don't care. You guys are big boys.

If you want to set the number of opponents against D3 teams, that's fine too. If you just want to include full fledged members and pat John on the back for taking advantage of the system,  more power to you.  Just make a decision.

Isn't the easiest thing to just allow the NCAA to make the decision for us? Full members = eligible, Provisional members = not eligible.

Pine Manor - Eligible for contest
Maranatha Baptist - Eligible for contest
Wilson - Eligible for contest

Iowa Wesleyan - Not eligible for contest
Sarah Lawrence - Not eligible for contest
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 06, 2014, 05:45:58 PM
Maranatha is eligible but they choose to participate in the NCCAA post season.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2014, 06:02:57 PM
I don't know if it's been changed, but in the past the decision to participate in the NCCAA postseason tournament has not been an obstacle for any NCCAA program that has dual affiliation. That is to say, unlike the NCAA or the NAIA, you didn't have to burn your bridges to your other affiliate when you declared yourself eligible for the NCCAA postseason, and the NCCAA was happy to let you in as a consolation prize for your program if you failed to make either the NCAA or NAIA tournament.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: RustCollege on November 07, 2014, 02:51:21 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 05, 2014, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 05, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
Winless...Rust

Will we ever know if Rust wins a game?
now somebody have jokes Rust do not go winless...look up Rust on D3hoops and you will see Rust never goes winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 07, 2014, 03:09:59 AM
Quote from: RustCollege on November 07, 2014, 02:51:21 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 05, 2014, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 05, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
Winless...Rust

Will we ever know if Rust wins a game?
now somebody have jokes Rust do not go winless...look up Rust on D3hoops and you will see Rust never goes winless

And.... Rust never sleeps. Apologies to Neil.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ADL70 on November 07, 2014, 01:26:22 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 07, 2014, 03:09:59 AM
Quote from: RustCollege on November 07, 2014, 02:51:21 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 05, 2014, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 05, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
Winless...Rust

Will we ever know if Rust wins a game?
now somebody have jokes Rust do not go winless...look up Rust on D3hoops and you will see Rust never goes winless

And.... Rust never sleeps. Apologies to Neil.

And to Rust-oleum
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Rust has a new website, which we've linked to, thanks to the Rust women's coach who contacted us.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 07, 2014, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2014, 06:02:57 PM
I don't know if it's been changed, but in the past the decision to participate in the NCCAA postseason tournament has not been an obstacle for any NCCAA program that has dual affiliation. That is to say, unlike the NCAA or the NAIA, you didn't have to burn your bridges to your other affiliate when you declared yourself eligible for the NCCAA postseason, and the NCCAA was happy to let you in as a consolation prize for your program if you failed to make either the NCAA or NAIA tournament.

But does the NCAA allow those who already declare for the NCCAA tourney into their party?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2014, 06:00:08 PM
I think so, because the NCCAA does not demand exclusivity the way that the NAIA does. And I've never heard of a case of an NCCAA/NCAA dual affiliate turning down the latter's tourney in order to participate in the former's.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 07, 2014, 09:22:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 07, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Rust has a new website, which we've linked to, thanks to the Rust women's coach who contacted us.
Glad to hear it. I have been a fan of Rust for many years, since back when I lived in Memphis and passed through Holly Springs on frequent trips down US78.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Well, if I can't have Iowa Wesleyan, I guess I'll take Northlands.  I don't think they've been taken.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 08, 2014, 08:03:22 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Well, if I can't have Iowa Wesleyan, I guess I'll take Northlands.  I don't think they've been taken.

I have a friend named Jule. My mom always called him "Jules". I always told her, "mom, its 'Jule', there's only one of them."  ??? ;D ;)

I guess the FINAL RULING is:

If they are provisional,  they don't qualify. Otherwise, if the NVAA deems them worthy, so do we.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 08:23:06 AM
I think this is the current list of picks.

Undefeated
FCGrizzliesGrad: Albertus Magnus (1)
magicman: Plattsburgh St
smedindy: Wooster
Gregory Sager: Amherst
ronk: Scranton
hopefan: Augustana
Greek Tragedy: Webster
KnightSlappy: Calvin
Mr. Ypsi: UW-Whitewater
7express: SUNY-Purchase
Ralph Turner: UT-Dallas
augie77: Stevenson
CityD3: Albertus Magnus (2)
dahlby: Whitworth
Hoops Fan: Eastern Nazarene
John Gleich: Illinois Wesleyan

Winless
FCGrizzliesGrad: Pine Manor
magicman: Caltech
smedindy: D'Youville
Gregory Sager: Cairn (1)
hopefan: Principia
ronk: Wilson
KnightSlappy: Frostburg St
Mr. Ypsi: Iowa Wesleyan Northland (2) (replaced provisional)
7express: Blackburn Knox (changed pick)
augie77: Northland (1)
CityD3: Sarah Lawrence (provisional)
dahlby: Rust
Hoops Fan: Cairn (2)
John Gleich: Maranantha Baptist
Greek Tragedy: U of New England
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 08, 2014, 10:52:41 AM
I still don't think Pine Manor is an official team and believe they are a club team. I'll try and find out more later today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
They are on d3hoops.com as having a team. Their site says nothing about being a club team. Maybe Pat has a ruling on them.

The trip to Buffalo is on Pine Manor's schedule, but they are no longer on Buff State's.

15 minutes in and there's Controversy. Cue Prince...
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 01:46:38 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:57:05 AM
Maybe the coaches just wanted an 'out' for playing a team they'd roll by 60 or so?

Plattsburgh's Coach Curle knew he'd win the game by a huge margin and he was fine with that until he found out that it wouldn't count as a game because of Pine Manor's club status. That's when both SUNYAC schools cancelled their games. Beating up on a D3 team that's not very good is one thing but if the win doesn't count as a win then what's the point?
The Buffalo St thing is back on according to Buff St. The "tournament" is now a 3 team round robin Nov 20-22 between Buff St, Point Park, and Pine Manor

I've read absolutely nothing about them being a club team and don't see why they would be considered as such. They're a full fledged D3 school starting a mens basketball program. I don't see them being any different than Wilson.
According to their website it's listed as a varsity sport like all their other sports.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: wooscotsfan on November 08, 2014, 12:34:43 PM
Undefeated:  Wooster

Winless:  Willamette
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2014, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 08, 2014, 08:03:22 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Well, if I can't have Iowa Wesleyan, I guess I'll take Northlands.  I don't think they've been taken.

I have a friend named Jule. My mom always called him "Jules". I always told her, "mom, its 'Jule', there's only one of them."  ??? ;D ;)

Similarly, St. Norbert von Gennep (1080-1134) never actually owned or possessed in any way the school in northeastern Wisconsin that's named after him. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 08, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
They are on d3hoops.com as having a team. Their site says nothing about being a club team. Maybe Pat has a ruling on them.

The trip to Buffalo is on Pine Manor's schedule, but they are no longer on Buff State's.

15 minutes in and there's Controversy. Cue Prince...
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 01:46:38 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:57:05 AM
Maybe the coaches just wanted an 'out' for playing a team they'd roll by 60 or so?

Plattsburgh's Coach Curle knew he'd win the game by a huge margin and he was fine with that until he found out that it wouldn't count as a game because of Pine Manor's club status. That's when both SUNYAC schools cancelled their games. Beating up on a D3 team that's not very good is one thing but if the win doesn't count as a win then what's the point?
The Buffalo St thing is back on according to Buff St. The "tournament" is now a 3 team round robin Nov 20-22 between Buff St, Point Park, and Pine Manor

I've read absolutely nothing about them being a club team and don't see why they would be considered as such. They're a full fledged D3 school starting a mens basketball program. I don't see them being any different than Wilson.
According to their website it's listed as a varsity sport like all their other sports.

I spoke to Coach Curle today about Pine Manor. Apparently they were listed as a D3 school when Plattsburgh agreed to be a part of the Buffalo State tournament. Then the 2 schools...Buff State and Plattsburgh, were told in mid October that Pine Manor wasn't going to count in their won-lost record as they were a club team. This was because Pine Manor hadn't completed necessary paperwork at the time to make them a D3 team. Both Buff State and Plattsburgh cancelled their games with them and the tournament was called off. Plattsburgh went and scheduled the 2 open dates they now had with a game at Western Connecticut on Nov. 21st and a game at Skidmore on Nov. 24th.

In early November Buffalo State learned that Pine Manor's Men's Basketball program was now an accepted D3 program and on November 4th, the Coles Classic tournament that had been cancelled, was re-scheduled. Plattsburgh was asked to once again participate but couldn't because of commitments made to Western Conn. and Skidmore. It is now a 3 team tournament with Buff State, Pine Manor and Point Park, an NAIA school.

To make a long story short...they were...they weren't....they are. ???  I will offer my congratulations now to FCGrizzlies. I can't see him losing the Winless contest. He may be co-champs with ronk who has Wilson or some other fortunate player, but if I had to wager on a winner, Grizz would be that guy.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2014, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 08, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
They are on d3hoops.com as having a team. Their site says nothing about being a club team. Maybe Pat has a ruling on them.

The trip to Buffalo is on Pine Manor's schedule, but they are no longer on Buff State's.

15 minutes in and there's Controversy. Cue Prince...
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 01:46:38 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:57:05 AM
Maybe the coaches just wanted an 'out' for playing a team they'd roll by 60 or so?

Plattsburgh's Coach Curle knew he'd win the game by a huge margin and he was fine with that until he found out that it wouldn't count as a game because of Pine Manor's club status. That's when both SUNYAC schools cancelled their games. Beating up on a D3 team that's not very good is one thing but if the win doesn't count as a win then what's the point?
The Buffalo St thing is back on according to Buff St. The "tournament" is now a 3 team round robin Nov 20-22 between Buff St, Point Park, and Pine Manor

I've read absolutely nothing about them being a club team and don't see why they would be considered as such. They're a full fledged D3 school starting a mens basketball program. I don't see them being any different than Wilson.
According to their website it's listed as a varsity sport like all their other sports.

I spoke to Coach Curle today about Pine Manor. Apparently they were listed as a D3 school when Plattsburgh agreed to be a part of the Buffalo State tournament. Then the 2 schools...Buff State and Plattsburgh, were told in mid October that Pine Manor wasn't going to count in their won-lost record as they were a club team. This was because Pine Manor hadn't completed necessary paperwork at the time to make them a D3 team. Both Buff State and Plattsburgh cancelled their games with them and the tournament was called off. Plattsburgh went and scheduled the 2 open dates they now had with a game at Western Connecticut on Nov. 21st and a game at Skidmore on Nov. 24th.

In early November Buffalo State learned that Pine Manor's Men's Basketball program was now an accepted D3 program and on November 4th, the Coles Classic tournament that had been cancelled, was re-scheduled. Plattsburgh was asked to once again participate but couldn't because of commitments made to Western Conn. and Skidmore. It is now a 3 team tournament with Buff State, Pine Manor and Point Park, an NAIA school.

To make a long story short...they were...they weren't....they are. ???  I will offer my congratulations now to FCGrizzlies. I can't see him losing the Winless contest. He may be co-champs with ronk who has Wilson or some other fortunate player, but if I had to wager on a winner, Grizz would be that guy.   

Maybe so, but I know that Tom Hanks is still 100% behind ronk:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fresources0.news.com.au%2Fimages%2F2014%2F02%2F28%2F1226840%2F723920-fa938218-a01f-11e3-b163-d60ea6e39be3.jpg&hash=7abfde7b5e71f625449a70d8926516039d0ed4c0)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 08, 2014, 11:29:37 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2014, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 08, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
They are on d3hoops.com as having a team. Their site says nothing about being a club team. Maybe Pat has a ruling on them.

The trip to Buffalo is on Pine Manor's schedule, but they are no longer on Buff State's.

15 minutes in and there's Controversy. Cue Prince...
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 01:46:38 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2014, 12:57:05 AM
Maybe the coaches just wanted an 'out' for playing a team they'd roll by 60 or so?

Plattsburgh's Coach Curle knew he'd win the game by a huge margin and he was fine with that until he found out that it wouldn't count as a game because of Pine Manor's club status. That's when both SUNYAC schools cancelled their games. Beating up on a D3 team that's not very good is one thing but if the win doesn't count as a win then what's the point?
The Buffalo St thing is back on according to Buff St. The "tournament" is now a 3 team round robin Nov 20-22 between Buff St, Point Park, and Pine Manor

I've read absolutely nothing about them being a club team and don't see why they would be considered as such. They're a full fledged D3 school starting a mens basketball program. I don't see them being any different than Wilson.
According to their website it's listed as a varsity sport like all their other sports.

I spoke to Coach Curle today about Pine Manor. Apparently they were listed as a D3 school when Plattsburgh agreed to be a part of the Buffalo State tournament. Then the 2 schools...Buff State and Plattsburgh, were told in mid October that Pine Manor wasn't going to count in their won-lost record as they were a club team. This was because Pine Manor hadn't completed necessary paperwork at the time to make them a D3 team. Both Buff State and Plattsburgh cancelled their games with them and the tournament was called off. Plattsburgh went and scheduled the 2 open dates they now had with a game at Western Connecticut on Nov. 21st and a game at Skidmore on Nov. 24th.

In early November Buffalo State learned that Pine Manor's Men's Basketball program was now an accepted D3 program and on November 4th, the Coles Classic tournament that had been cancelled, was re-scheduled. Plattsburgh was asked to once again participate but couldn't because of commitments made to Western Conn. and Skidmore. It is now a 3 team tournament with Buff State, Pine Manor and Point Park, an NAIA school.

To make a long story short...they were...they weren't....they are. ???  I will offer my congratulations now to FCGrizzlies. I can't see him losing the Winless contest. He may be co-champs with ronk who has Wilson or some other fortunate player, but if I had to wager on a winner, Grizz would be that guy.   

Maybe so, but I know that Tom Hanks is still 100% behind ronk:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fresources0.news.com.au%2Fimages%2F2014%2F02%2F28%2F1226840%2F723920-fa938218-a01f-11e3-b163-d60ea6e39be3.jpg&hash=7abfde7b5e71f625449a70d8926516039d0ed4c0)

It took a few seconds. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2014, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 01:44:01 AM
Undefeated: Scranton
Winless: Wilson

What region is Wilson in? I know they are in Pennslyvania and in the NEAC but couldn't find them in any region. Are all the NEAC teams going to be in the East Region? That's what KnightSlappy said over on the Conference Changes board back in September but the D3hoops Region breakdown doesn't show them all in the East. Right now D3hoops is showing 6 NEAC teams in the East and 4 NEAC teams in the Middle Atlantic. The other 3 teams..Wilson, Bryn Athyn, and Pennslyvania College of Technology aren't listed in any region. Maybe because Bryn Athyn and Pennslyvania College will be 1st year provisional members next year they aren't listed this year...but Wilson should be in some region.   
I see that  the Landmark is now all in the Middle Atlantic instead of multiple regions and the same goes for the CAC but the NEAC changes haven't been made. What's up with that Pat?   

At any rate, I think you may have the winner ronk. This is a first year program with almost no height to speak of. Unless they get ahold of the absent minded professor's formula for flubber they're in for a long season.   

That's one of those things you should email me about rather than hope I visit a particular message board page.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2014, 08:58:00 PM

So, I've been told this was not the ideal year to take the homer flier on an undefeated pick.  I think the early schedule is bad enough, I'm sticking with it, but I could also be eliminated immediately.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: stag44 on November 10, 2014, 11:31:19 PM
another homer here - put me in for Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 11, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
Cancel my Purchase undefeated pick.  That schedule early in November is brutal.  Sure it's a bunch of cupcakes after that but from November 15 when they play Colby (underrated last year) to Cabrini & Catholic at the hoopsville tournament, that scheduled is loaded with minefields...


...instead I'll take the homer pick of Western Connecticut.  Sure, they will definitely lose @ Albertus, but that's not till December 15.  They do play Plattsburgh, but it's at home, and if they can get through that game with a W, they SHOULD be unbeaten until December 15 (vs. TCNJ, vs. USM, vs. Pine Manor, vs. Vassar, @ Framingham @ Worcester are the other 6 games preceded the AMC game).

So, my new picks:

Undefeated: Western Connecticut

Winless: Knox (if Pine Manor is eligible), Blackburn if Pine Manor isn't.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2014, 12:04:08 PM
Pine Manor is a full Division III member institution playing men's basketball this year. Completely eligible.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 11, 2014, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 11, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
Cancel my Purchase undefeated pick.  That schedule early in November is brutal.  Sure it's a bunch of cupcakes after that but from November 15 when they play Colby (underrated last year) to Cabrini & Catholic at the hoopsville tournament, that scheduled is loaded with minefields...


...instead I'll take the homer pick of Western Connecticut.  Sure, they will definitely lose @ Albertus, but that's not till December 15.  They do play Plattsburgh, but it's at home, and if they can get through that game with a W, they SHOULD be unbeaten until December 15 (vs. TCNJ, vs. USM, vs. Pine Manor, vs. Vassar, @ Framingham @ Worcester are the other 6 games preceded the AMC game).

So, my new picks:

Undefeated: Western Connecticut

Winless: Knox (if Pine Manor is eligible), Blackburn if Pine Manor isn't.

Isn't it NO DEPOSIT, NO RETURN?  ;)

/I kid
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: northb on November 14, 2014, 10:50:30 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 11, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
Cancel my Purchase undefeated pick.  That schedule early in November is brutal.  Sure it's a bunch of cupcakes after that but from November 15 when they play Colby (underrated last year) to Cabrini & Catholic at the hoopsville tournament, that scheduled is loaded with minefields...


...instead I'll take the homer pick of Western Connecticut.  Sure, they will definitely lose @ Albertus, but that's not till December 15.  They do play Plattsburgh, but it's at home, and if they can get through that game with a W, they SHOULD be unbeaten until December 15 (vs. TCNJ, vs. USM, vs. Pine Manor, vs. Vassar, @ Framingham @ Worcester are the other 6 games preceded the AMC game).

So, my new picks:

Undefeated: Western Connecticut

Winless: Knox (if Pine Manor is eligible), Blackburn if Pine Manor isn't.
Do you have a receipt?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
Is it too late for me to select Oberlin as my unbeaten team?  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2014, 08:12:40 PM
I know I was alive the last time Oberlin beat Wittenberg. I was 13 in February of 1979...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 16, 2014, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 11, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
Cancel my Purchase undefeated pick.  That schedule early in November is brutal.  Sure it's a bunch of cupcakes after that but from November 15 when they play Colby (underrated last year) to Cabrini & Catholic at the hoopsville tournament, that scheduled is loaded with minefields...


...instead I'll take the homer pick of Western Connecticut.  Sure, they will definitely lose @ Albertus, but that's not till December 15.  They do play Plattsburgh, but it's at home, and if they can get through that game with a W, they SHOULD be unbeaten until December 15 (vs. TCNJ, vs. USM, vs. Pine Manor, vs. Vassar, @ Framingham @ Worcester are the other 6 games preceded the AMC game).

So, my new picks:

Undefeated: Western Connecticut

Winless: Knox (if Pine Manor is eligible), Blackburn if Pine Manor isn't.

Luckily I cancelled my Purchase selection as they lose to Colby 73-70.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2014, 01:52:48 PM
Can we haz update?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 16, 2014, 09:31:15 PM
UPDATED through Sunday 11-16  10pm,  corrections welcome

Undefeated:
FCGrizzliesGrad: Albertus Magnus (1)   lost to Tghijgsto
magicman: Plattsburgh St
smedindy: Wooster
Gregory Sager: Amherst
ronk: Scranton
hopefan: Augustana
Greek Tragedy: Webster
KnightSlappy: Calvin
Mr. Ypsi: UW-Whitewater  lost to Cardinal Stritch
7express: SUNY-Purchase  changed to Western Connecticut
Ralph Turner: UT-Dallas
augie77: Stevenson
CityD3: Albertus Magnus (2)  lost to Tghijgsto
dahlby: Whitworth
Hoops Fan: Eastern Nazarene
John Gleich: Illinois Wesleyan  lost to Benedictine
wooscotsfan:  Wooster
Stag44:  Claremont-MS  lost to Ohio Northern

Winless:
FCGrizzliesGrad: Pine Manor   defeated Maine-Machias
magicman: Caltech
smedindy: D'Youville
Gregory Sager: Cairn (1)
hopefan: Principia  beat Lincoln Christian
ronk: Wilson
KnightSlappy: Frostburg St
Mr. Ypsi: Iowa Wesleyan Northland (2) (replaced provisional)  beat Maranatha Baptist
7express: Blackburn Knox (changed pick)
augie77: Northland (1)  beat Maranatha Baptist
CityD3: Sarah Lawrence (provisional)
dahlby: Rust
Hoops Fan: Cairn (2)
John Gleich: Maranantha Baptist
Greek Tragedy: U of New England  defeated Maine-Maritime
Wooscotsfan:  Willamette
sac:  Maine-Maritime  (too late so just for fun)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2014, 09:45:48 PM
Still following football much more than basketball, but know that John Gleich has gone out on the first day of basketball season. 
IWU went down on day one. :(

(Oh, well, they can still be 24-1! ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2014, 10:35:14 PM

Don't look now, but UNE almost beat Middlebury tonight as well.  Something's going on in Biddeford.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2014, 02:36:07 AM
Albertus Magnus lost game 2 to Richard Stockton 84-75... and I'm out of the undefeated... TGHIJGSTO

Pine Manor won game 2 against ME-Machias 87-82... and I'm out completely. No one can complain about my Pine Manor pick now :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2014, 04:52:11 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2014, 02:36:07 AM
Albertus Magnus lost game 2 to Richard Stockton 84-75... and I'm out of the undefeated... TGHIJGSTO

Pine Manor won game 2 against ME-Machias 87-82... and I'm out completely. No one can complain about my Pine Manor pick now :P

I was never complaining about your pick, I was trying to help you by telling you that the team... AT THE TIME THAT YOU CHOSE THEM... was not eligible as a D3 team. I didn't want you to choose a team that was ineligible for the contest.  The NCAA sent the Plattsburgh State and Buffalo State coaches a letter, which I have seen, informing them that Pine Manor was a club team and that the game wouldn't count in their team's standings. So they cancelled the games against them. Several weeks later Pine Manor completed the necessary paperwork to be compliant with the NCAA and they were granted D3 status. So as I stated earlier, they were...they weren't...they are.  They are also no longer winless. ;D   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 19, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
UPDATED through Tuesday 11-18,  corrections welcome

Undefeated:
FCGrizzliesGrad: Albertus Magnus (1)   lost to Tghijgsto
Greek Tragedy: Webster lost to Monmouth
Mr. Ypsi: UW-Whitewater  lost to Cardinal Stritch
7express: SUNY-Purchase  changed to Western Connecticut
CityD3: Albertus Magnus (2)  lost to Tghijgsto
John Gleich: Illinois Wesleyan  lost to Benedictine
Stag44:  Claremont-MS  lost to Ohio Northern
ronk: Scranton lost to Misericordia
magicman: Plattsburgh St
smedindy: Wooster
Gregory Sager: Amherst
hopefan: Augustana
KnightSlappy: Calvin
Ralph Turner: UT-Dallas
augie77: Stevenson
dahlby: Whitworth
Hoops Fan: Eastern Nazarene
wooscotsfan:  Wooster

Winless:
FCGrizzliesGrad: Pine Manor   defeated Maine-Machias
hopefan: Principia  beat Lincoln Christian
Mr. Ypsi: Iowa Wesleyan Northland (2) (replaced provisional)  beat Maranatha Baptist
7express: Blackburn Knox (changed pick)
augie77: Northland (1)  beat Maranatha Baptist
John Gleich: Maranantha Baptist beat Concordia-Chicago
Greek Tragedy: U of New England  defeated Maine-Maritime
sac:  Maine-Maritime  (too late so just for fun)
CityD3: Sarah Lawrence (provisional)
Hoops Fan: Cairn (2)
magicman: Caltech
smedindy: D'Youville
Gregory Sager: Cairn (1)
ronk: Wilson
KnightSlappy: Frostburg St
dahlby: Rust
Wooscotsfan:  Willamette
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2014, 01:06:45 PM
Wow. Monmouth picked 7th in the weak MWC. Guess I bought into everyone's talk on Webster. Your plan worked.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2014, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2014, 01:06:45 PM
Wow. Monmouth picked 7th in the weak MWC. Guess I bought into everyone's talk on Webster. Your plan worked.

;D ;D  I apologized to the world over in the SLIAC room.... unfortunately both big men (and basically the ONLY big men) for Webster out with injury...still, I was very disappointed....  hoping a +1 eases the pain...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2014, 03:00:55 PM
It didn't. :'( LOL
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 19, 2014, 05:07:47 PM
Pine Manor picked up its second win last night, perhaps setting a record for speed in which a win-less candidate reaches 2 wins. :-X
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2014, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2014, 05:07:47 PM
Pine Manor picked up its second win last night, perhaps setting a record for speed in which a win-less candidate reaches 2 wins. :-X

Once again, the strum und drang and gnashing of teeth are all for naught...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2014, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2014, 01:06:45 PM
Wow. Monmouth picked 7th in the weak MWC. Guess I bought into everyone's talk on Webster. Your plan worked.

As hopefan said, two of Webster's top three players were out with injury, while the other one was just back after having missed several weeks of practice due to injury. Also, I think that the MWC coaches are wrong about Monmouth. The Scots brought back their entire starting five from last year, and ten lettermen in all.

Probably doesn't make you feel any better about getting knocked out of the winner's bracket, but at least you can rest assured that there was no conspiracy afoot. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2014, 06:01:15 PM
Ten lettermen from a 6-17 team...could be good, or....maybe not so good if they're a little talent bereft.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2014, 06:07:07 PM
I think I set a personal record for speed in getting knocked out of both contests!  At least I had plenty of company (including both of the UWSP 'twins'). ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2014, 06:11:52 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 19, 2014, 06:01:15 PM
Ten lettermen from a 6-17 team...could be good, or....maybe not so good if they're a little talent bereft.

Of the twelve Scots who played against Webster, nine were returnees and three were freshmen. The minutes were pretty evenly distributed -- only one Scot played more than 26 minutes -- so Todd Skrivseth obviously has faith in his returnees.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2014, 06:50:35 PM
I think sometimes when you have a lot of returnees from a less-than-stellar team, the team will remain less-than-stellar.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2014, 07:56:15 PM
I'm not a betting man, but I have a strong suspicion that Monmouth is going to be a much better team this year than it was last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2014, 08:06:56 PM
Hence 'sometimes'.

Also, coaches polls can be janky because they may just slap 'em together. "Who was good last year; yeah, pick them..."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 19, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
Is it too late for me to choose Wittenberg as my winless team?  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 19, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
Is it too late for me to choose Wittenberg as my winless team?  ;D

OH! SNAP!

/couldn't happen to a nicer group of Old Tigers...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2014, 08:35:06 AM


Did anyone see UMPI beat a real D3 squad last night.  Well, Maine-Maritime might not be "real," but they are d3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 20, 2014, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 20, 2014, 08:35:06 AM


Did anyone see UMPI beat a real D3 squad last night.  Well, Maine-Maritime might not be "real," but they are d3.

Maine-Maritime is not good and the reason I chose them.  The only threat is a game with Maine-Augusta on Friday, one of their only two wins from last year.  The other was Univ of New England who they already lost to this year. :(

UMPI beat Maritime last year but by only 7. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2014, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2014, 05:07:47 PM
Pine Manor picked up its second win last night, perhaps setting a record for speed in which a win-less candidate reaches 2 wins. :-X

When I  first saw they got their 2nd win, I was going to chide Grizz for choosing them in the wrong pool...he should have picked them for the Undefeated Pool...but then I spotted that loss in between those 2 wins. ;)  Still as sac said 2 wins in their first 3 games is probably a record.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2014, 12:40:54 PM
Quote from: sac on November 20, 2014, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 20, 2014, 08:35:06 AM


Did anyone see UMPI beat a real D3 squad last night.  Well, Maine-Maritime might not be "real," but they are d3.

Maine-Maritime is not good and the reason I chose them.  The only threat is a game with Maine-Augusta on Friday, one of their only two wins from last year.  The other was Univ of New England who they already lost to this year. :(

UMPI beat Maritime last year but by only 7.

I had Maine-Maritime last year and they were humming right along losing like they should until then they ran into the Moose from Maine-Augusta. The Mariners beat them 82-74 and I was done. So yeah, this upcoming game could make or break you sac. For what it's worth Presque Isle only beat visiting Maine-Augusta by a score of 66-63. They hammered Maine-Maritime on the road by an 86-67 score, so you may be safe this time. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2014, 12:50:49 PM
I'm shuddering with every post that hyphenates Maine Maritime. Maine Maritime and Wisconsin Lutheran (which I have seen many times) are not hyphenated. They are not the University of Wisconsin at Lutheran or a merger of schools named Maine and Maritime. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2014, 12:50:49 PM
I'm shuddering with every post that hyphenates Maine Maritime. Maine Maritime and Wisconsin Lutheran (which I have seen many times) are not hyphenated. They are not the University of Wisconsin at Lutheran or a merger of schools named Maine and Maritime. :)

I feel the hyphen helps to accentuate that Maine-Maritime is a part of the larger public university system of Maine.  It's a public school and the hyphen helps people recognize that almost immediately.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2014, 01:34:29 PM
The hyphens are used to denote branches and the locations of the branches- like UMass-Dartmouth, Michigan-Dearborn, our beloved Penn State branches or Wisconsin-Oshkosh. When I see Maine-Maritime I think of the University of Maine located in a town called Maritime.

Mass Maritime and NY Maritime aren't hyphenated either.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on November 20, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
And there's no State of Alfred! :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 20, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2014, 12:50:49 PM
I'm shuddering with every post that hyphenates Maine Maritime. Maine Maritime and Wisconsin Lutheran (which I have seen many times) are not hyphenated. They are not the University of Wisconsin at Lutheran or a merger of schools named Maine and Maritime. :)

I feel the hyphen helps to accentuate that Maine-Maritime is a part of the larger public university system of Maine.  It's a public school and the hyphen helps people recognize that almost immediately.

It's hard to keep track of the hyphens, Pat. You have all the Penn State schools that use hyphens as well as SUNY schools that use hyphens and they aren't a merger of two schools. Plus when you are posting on a page where prior posters have used hyphens with the school and you post something about the school it's real easy to follow suit.

But hey I promise to do better in the future...I don't want you to shudder every time I get a little hyphenated. :D   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2014, 01:44:09 PM
Those are location hyphens Magicman, not merger hyphens.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2014, 01:48:14 PM
I know that smeds.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 20, 2014, 02:19:17 PM
Think of the hyphen as a horizontal life preserver.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2014, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 20, 2014, 01:48:14 PM
I know that smeds.

You were remarking on mergers. Maybe you were jabbing at Pat?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2014, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2014, 12:50:49 PM
I'm shuddering with every post that hyphenates Maine Maritime. Maine Maritime and Wisconsin Lutheran (which I have seen many times) are not hyphenated. They are not the University of Wisconsin at Lutheran or a merger of schools named Maine and Maritime. :)

Or the University of Maine at Maritime. As smeds said, I defy anyone to find the municipality of Maritime, ME on any atlas or online map. Nor is it, a la Wisconsin-Stout, a University of Maine branch campus that was named after someone named Maritime.

Quote from: gordonmann on November 20, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
And there's no State of Alfred! :)

Sure there is. Whenever Batman's battling the Joker, the Riddler, or Bane, I'm sure that Alfred's in quite a state of anxiety.

Quote from: sac on November 20, 2014, 02:19:17 PM
Think of the hyphen as a horizontal life preserver.

Or as a little ship floating on a calm sea.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2014, 07:53:52 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 20, 2014, 01:34:29 PM
The hyphens are used to denote branches and the locations of the branches- like UMass-Dartmouth, Michigan-Dearborn, our beloved Penn State branches or Wisconsin-Oshkosh. When I see Maine-Maritime I think of the University of Maine located in a town called Maritime.

Mass Maritime and NY Maritime aren't hyphenated either.

Oh, but they should be.  How else do we know these aren't some fanatical pirate schools that just happened to be located in a particular state?

Also, I know they're trying to be diplomatic, but they need to stop using the hyphens for the main campus.  Not everyone knows what town the main campus is in.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2014, 08:00:46 PM
I don't see hyphens for the main branch.  All I see is Michigan, Minnesota, or Wisconsin (or others).

Indiana uses "IU-East" or "IU-Kokomo". They also have IUPUI and IP-Fort Wayne for their co-located universities that have both Indiana and Purdue programs on campus. 

Fun fact, the folks at IUPUI were SERIOUSLY agitated when Indiana Central became the University of Indianapolis. They wanted that moniker...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2014, 08:41:20 PM

I see Michigan-Ann Arbor all the time, but the worst is Maine-Orono.  Who, outside of Maine, knows that's the main campus?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2014, 09:30:19 PM
I never see EITHER one and I consume box scores and agate like you wouldn't believe...I don't think that's prevalent AT ALL.

I think you give people too little credit. I knew Maine was in Orono. It's a common crossword puzzle answer!

I only see UW-Madison because I have friends from Wisconsin who have ties to the Madison campus and a branch.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 20, 2014, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2014, 06:07:42 PM
Or the University of Maine at Maritime. As smeds said, I defy anyone to find the municipality of Maritime, ME on any atlas or online map. Nor is it, a la Wisconsin-Stout, a University of Maine branch campus that was named after someone named Maritime.


From Mainewiki

Maine Maritime was founded in 1840 when Sir. Joseph Maritime sailed into Penobscot Bay looking for the mouth of the Penobscot River.  In a blanket of coastal fog, Mr. Maritime crashed his schooner into Otter Rock Shoal near the mouth of the Bagaduce River which for some reason is not in New Jersey.  Needing repairs on his vessel and being a man of great wealth he decided to build an entire school based on sailing vessels.  When discussing names for his school his hearty crew suggested Maritime College.  Sheepishly Mr. Maritime accepted the gracious honor his well paid, and stranded, crew had bestowed on his great college.  Later Maritime College joined the full force of the mighty Maine University system still bearing Sir Joseph Maritime's name today.  Maine-Maritime.1

1.  Citation needed because this sounds made up.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2014, 11:06:54 PM
Well, then, I have to concede the point. After all, who can argue with mainewiki?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 20, 2014, 11:08:57 PM
sac,
  A noble effort!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 21, 2014, 01:15:41 PM
Do I get a prize/trophy/belttm for having my undefeated and winless teams knocked out on the 1st day? Is that a record?  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 21, 2014, 08:32:21 PM
My original pick for winless was going to be Alfred State.  But the fighting Alfred's are still provisional.  So I was late picking Maine Maritime.

Alfred State has dropped its first 4 games by 25, 18, 20 and 27 after losing to SUNY-Maritime tonight.

Up next for them might be this years top match-up for winless candidates when they take on D'Youville @ RIT tomorrow afternoon.  D'Youville lost its two games in the Northwest by 54 and 41 to start the year.


Alfred State v D'Youville......mark it down.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2014, 09:20:06 PM
Alfred St vs. D'Youville has already been marked down - WAY down! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 22, 2014, 12:14:29 AM
In a battle of unbeaten 7express's Western Connecticut Colonials come back from a halftime deficit to knock off Magicman's undefeated Plattsburgh State Cardinals.  Good game between the two this evening.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 22, 2014, 06:15:57 AM
sac's Maine no hyphen Maritime Mariners goes down winning, as they defeat the Maine hyphen Augusta Moose in back to back years, this time by a whopping margin of 30 points, 103-73. Wow... Maine no hyphen Maritime hitting the century mark...whoda thunk it. :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 22, 2014, 10:10:58 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 22, 2014, 06:15:57 AM
sac's Maine no hyphen Maritime Mariners goes down winning, as they defeat the Maine hyphen Augusta Moose in back to back years, this time by a whopping margin of 30 points, 103-73. Wow... Maine no hyphen Maritime hitting the century mark...whoda thunk it. :o

That's a devastating win. :-[   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2014, 11:29:38 AM

Caltech came within two points of George Fox, on the road.  That squad is going to win SOME games this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 22, 2014, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 22, 2014, 11:29:38 AM

Caltech came within two points of George Fox, on the road.  That squad is going to win SOME games this year.

I saw that, and George Fox beat Grinnell last week.I lost my Undefeated pick last night as Plattsburgh State went down and it's only a question of time before Caltech, my winless pick, wins a game. It could happen today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 22, 2014, 07:45:11 PM
D'Youville 62  Alfred State 47
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2014, 12:32:14 AM
  My pick for undefeated, Scranton, lost Wednesday @ Misericordia 49-44 when preseason All-American Ross Danzig sat out with an ankle injury.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 23, 2014, 01:36:03 PM
UPDATED through Saturday 11-22,  corrections welcome

Undefeated:
FCGrizzliesGrad: Albertus Magnus (1)   lost to Tghijgsto
Greek Tragedy: Webster lost to Monmouth
Mr. Ypsi: UW-Whitewater  lost to Cardinal Stritch

CityD3: Albertus Magnus (2)  lost to Tghijgsto
John Gleich: Illinois Wesleyan  lost to Benedictine
Stag44:  Claremont-MS  lost to Ohio Northern
ronk: Scranton lost to Misericordia
magicman: Plattsburgh St  lost to Western Connecticut
KnightSlappy: Calvin lost to Ohio Wesleyan
dahlby: Whitworth  lost to Rutgers-Newark
augie77: Stevenson lost to Chicago

Gregory Sager: Amherst
7express: SUNY-Purchase  changed to Western Connecticut
Hoops Fan: Eastern Nazarene
wooscotsfan:  Wooster
smedindy: Wooster
hopefan: Augustana
Ralph Turner: UT-Dallas



Still a good fight for undefeated with 6 schools, 7 pickers.  UPDATE  Stevenson lost to Chicago this afternoon

Winless:
FCGrizzliesGrad: Pine Manor   defeated Maine-Machias
hopefan: Principia  beat Lincoln Christian
Mr. Ypsi: Iowa Wesleyan Northland (2) (replaced provisional)  beat Maranatha Baptist
augie77: Northland (1)  beat Maranatha Baptist
John Gleich: Maranantha Baptist beat Concordia-Chicago
Greek Tragedy: U of New England  defeated Maine-Maritime
sac:  Maine-Maritime  (too late so just for fun)  beat Maine-Augusta
CityD3: Sarah Lawrence (provisional)  beat Pratt
smedindy: D'Youville  beat Alfred State
ronk: Wilson  beat Christendom
KnightSlappy: Frostburg St  beat Randolph
dahlby: Rust  beat College of Faith
Wooscotsfan:  Willamette  beat Cal Tech


Gregory Sager: Cairn (1)
Hoops Fan: Cairn (2)
7express: Blackburn Knox (changed pick)
magicman: Caltech

Collectively a very poor job by our pickers selecting winless teams, after just 7 game days in the books we're already down to just 4 pickers and 3 schools and Cal Tech has a shot at beating Pacific today. 

At this point I've only looked at the overall winners/losers, looks like about 6 loveable losers have a win but not a D3 win and Whitewater with its loss to NAIA.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 23, 2014, 02:09:35 PM
Knox is still winless & Western Connecticut is still undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 23, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 23, 2014, 02:09:35 PM
Knox is still winless & Western Connecticut is still undefeated.

changed, I'll let the competition committee sort out whether they were legal changes :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 23, 2014, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: sac on November 23, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 23, 2014, 02:09:35 PM
Knox is still winless & Western Connecticut is still undefeated.

changed, I'll let the competition committee sort out whether they were legal changes :)

;D  I changed my undefeated pick from Purchase to Western on November 11 so that should definitely stick.

Knox is a little more complicated: They were going to be my original pick but FCGrizz grabbed them at the beginning of the "Pine Manor eligibility controversy [since his original was Pine Manor]."  Once that was cleared and Grizz went back to his original selection, it sent Knox back into the free agent pool and I picked them up before anyone else did.  That SHOULD stick too  :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 23, 2014, 07:52:49 PM
Yeah 7express made his changes in time so he's completely eligible to win either contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 23, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
Caltech loses to Pacific 56-47 so I'm still alive in the Winless Pool. The Beavers face Whitman next but then have to get by UC Santa Cruz on Dec. 13th. Last year the Beavers beat the Banana Slugs 70-67, for one of their three wins.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2014, 10:07:48 PM
Good switch by magicman - Purchase lost again and has started the season 0-5 (maybe you 'fat-fingered' and meant to pick them for winless?! ;D)  Not a record (since he switched away from them) but gotta be a record for an 'almost pick'!

Good that no one picked traditional power Wittenberg - they have started 0-4.

I'm interested in seeing how far IWU falls in the poll.  They lost their opener to 'meh' Benedictine, but have won their last two (neither a powerhouse).  This week they play three games they 'should' win; will that keep them (or restore them) to the top ten?  (I thought #4 was WAY to high anyway, but if they want to say it, I won't protest!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 23, 2014, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2014, 10:07:48 PM
Good switch by magicman - Purchase lost again and has started the season 0-5 (maybe you 'fat-fingered' and meant to pick them for winless?! ;D)  Not a record (since he switched away from them) but gotta be a record for an 'almost pick'!

Good that no one picked traditional power Wittenberg - they have started 0-4.

I'm interested in seeing how far IWU falls in the poll.  They lost their opener to 'meh' Benedictine, but have won their last two (neither a powerhouse).  This week they play three games they 'should' win; will that keep them (or restore them) to the top ten?  (I thought #4 was WAY to high anyway, but if they want to say it, I won't protest!)

Chuck must be smoking that wacky weed again as I didn't switch anything. I was on Plattsburgh State from day 1. The switches were made by 7express Chuck, as he and I both stated in the previous posts. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2014, 10:55:30 PM
Mia culpa - I knew perfectly well it was 7express and typed in magicman anyway.  I had just looked at the picks and have a photographic memory, but more and more often I find I'm out of film. :-[

Not quite sure why I even bother with this page - I was dead in both contests before the first week was out! :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: northb on November 24, 2014, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2014, 10:55:30 PM

Not quite sure why I even bother with this page - I was dead in both contests before the first week was out! :P
I'm not even in the contest and I check it just for fun....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 30, 2014, 04:44:19 AM
UPDATED through Saturday 11-29

If your name is not on this list then your Undefeated choice has lost or your Winless choice has won. These are the survivors so far.

Undefeated:

Down to the Final Four

Gregory Sager: Amherst  3-0  Won vs Mount Ida 100-72 on 11-22  Next vs Westfield State on 12-2

7express:  Western Connecticut 3-0  Won vs Vassar 92-51 on 11-25 Next at Framingham State on 12-2

Hoops Fan: Eastern Nazarene  7-0  Won at UMass-Boston 74-66 on 11-29  Next at Univ. of New England on 12-3
 
wooscotsfan:  Wooster  Lost at Hanover 70-57 on 11-29
smedindy: Wooster

hopefan: Augustana  5-0   Won vs Knox on 11-29 86-61  Next at Central on 12-3

Ralph Turner: UT-Dallas  Lost 73-64 at Louisiana College on 11-25



Winless:

And then there were Two (teams...3 players)

Gregory Sager: Cairn (1)  0-5  Lost at Swarthmore 73-60 on 11-29   Next at Gwynedd-Mercy on 12-3
Hoops Fan: Cairn (2)

7express: Knox  Defeated Iowa Wesleyan 93-76 on 11-25

magicman: Caltech  0-5   Lost to Whitworth 76-48 on 11-29  Next vs UC Santa Cruz on 12-13  Could be the win column for the Beavers
                                         in that game                               
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2014, 10:55:30 PMI had just looked at the picks and have a photographic memory, but more and more often I find I'm out of film. :-[

I like that one, Chuck. I'm going to use it on myself when the occasion for some self-deprecation in the face of a forgetful moment arises.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2014, 01:47:50 PM

Yeah, somehow my ENC Lions made it through Colby and UMass-Boston, completing their entire non-conference schedule at 7-0.  It was the 367th toughest schedule (but more difficult than Amherst's), but I'm still surprised to be alive at this point.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 30, 2014, 09:18:49 PM
Massey currently has provisional Alfred State dead last, today they lost to one time o-fer the season champion Franciscan 64-59.  Amazingly the Pioneers are shooting 52% from the floor and are 0-7.  Defensively they are allowing opponents to shoot 58.9% against them
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 30, 2014, 10:04:34 PM
I should have went with my Grizzlies for the winless... they're sitting at 0-5... good news is they're in a conference that is a combined 12-30 so far including 0-4 Earlham (not a shock) and 0-3 Transylvania (more of a shock). Plus Anderson is 1-3 with a win over IL Tech.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 02, 2014, 09:39:33 AM
Quote from: sac on November 30, 2014, 09:18:49 PM
Massey currently has provisional Alfred State dead last, today they lost to one time o-fer the season champion Franciscan 64-59.  Amazingly the Pioneers are shooting 52% from the floor and are 0-7.  Defensively they are allowing opponents to shoot 58.9% against them

Alfred State's ears must have been burning over this post from sac. The Pioneers who were 0-22 last season as a 1st year provisional and were 0-7 this year at the time of sac's post, promptly proceeded to go out and upset Wells College by a 77-76 final score. The win boosted the Pioneers from the very bottom of Mr.Massey's rankings and vaulted them past the new cellar dweller Sarah Lawrence, as well as Green Mountain, and Maine no hyphen Maritime.

For Wells it was the double Alfred whammy as they had previously lost to Alfred U. The Express are winless on the year at 0-4 and are now only 4 spots higher than Alfred State in the Massey Rankings.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 02, 2014, 10:46:09 PM
I don't think anyone had MIT in the undefeated pool anyway, but the engineers go down at home to the UMass-Boston Beacons, the same Beacons that finished last season 6-18 overall and 0-14 in the LEC.  Will likely end up being one of the top 5 upsets of the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 02, 2014, 11:00:03 PM
Could you say that it wasn't an ideal performance, that they were out of equilibrium?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 03:15:47 AM
I went through the conference standings for every conference and here's all the teams with a 0 in either the win or loss column. This doesn't include anyone who may be on the unbeaten/winless vs D3 lists though. And yes St Mary's (MN) is still on both lists.

Unbeaten (43 teams)
AMCC: Penn St-Behrend, Hilbert
ASC: Hardin-Simmons, East Texas Baptist
CAC: Marymount
CC: Franklin and Marshall
CCC: Eastern Nazarene
CCIW: North Central (IL), Augustana, Elmhurst
CSAC: none
CUNYAC: none
E8: none
GNAC: none
HCAC: none

IIAC: Dubuque
Independent: none
Land: Susquehanna
LEC: Western Connecticut, Keene St
LL: Rochester Tech, Clarkson, Hobart
MAC Commonwealth: none
MAC Freedom: none

MASCAC: none
MIAA: none

MIAC: St Olaf, St Thomas, St Mary's (MN)
MWC: St Norbert
NAC: none
NACC: Lakeland
NCAC: Ohio Wesleyan, Hiram, DePauw
NEAC: none
NECC: none

NESCAC: Hamilton, Bates, Middlebury, Amherst
NEWMAC: none
NJAC: Richard Stockton
NWC: none
OAC: Marietta, Ohio Northern
ODAC: Lynchburg, Hampden-Sydney, Virginia Wesleyan
PAC: none
SAA: Centre
SCAC: U of Dallas
SCIAC: Chapman, La Verne
Sky: Mount St Vincent
SLIAC: none
SUNYAC: Cortland St
UAA: Carnegie Mellon, WashU
UMAC: none
USAC: none
WIAC: none



Winless (42*** teams)
AMCC: Pitt-Greensburg, La Roche
ASC: Howard Payne, Sul Ross St
CAC: Mary Washington, York (PA), Penn St-Harrisburg
CC: Ursinus
CCC: none
CCIW: none

CSAC: Baptist Bible, Keystone, Cairn
CUNYAC: none
E8: none
GNAC: none

HCAC: Franklin, Earlham, Transylvania
IIAC: none
Independent: Illinois Tech*
Land: Goucher
LEC: none
LL: none
MAC Commonwealth: none
MAC Freedom: none

MASCAC: none
MIAA: Alma
MIAC: St Mary's (MN)
MWC: none
NAC: Green Mountain, Johnson St
NACC: Dominican
NCAC: none
NEAC: Wells, Penn St-Abington, Penn College*, Penn St-Berks, Bryn Athyn*
NECC: Lesley
NESCAC: none
NEWMAC: none

NJAC: Kean
NWC: none
OAC: none

ODAC: Emory & Henry
PAC: Washington & Jefferson
SAA: none
SCAC: Trinity (TX)
SCIAC: Caltech
Sky: SUNY-Purchase, SUNY-Old Westbury
SLIAC: MacMurray
SUNYAC: Fredonia St
UAA: Brandeis
UMAC: Bethany Lutheran, Martin Luther, North Central (MN), Crown
USAC: Huntingdon
WIAC: none
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2014, 07:34:25 AM

I think Brandeis just lost last night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 03, 2014, 03:07:52 PM
Becker 53 Brandeis 51
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 03:15:47 AM
UAA: Brandeis

I see you altered my post... but you messed up. Brandeis did lose... as they've done every other game this year. That's why they were on the Winless list and remain there. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2014, 05:04:35 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 03:15:47 AM
UAA: Brandeis

I see you altered my post... but you messed up. Brandeis did lose... as they've done every other game this year. That's why they were on the Winless list and remain there. ::)

Just for the record, I didn't alter the post.  Someone else did.  I think only Hall of Famers can do that sort of thing.  I can merge topics, though, if you ever need that done.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 03, 2014, 05:07:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 03, 2014, 05:04:35 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 03:15:47 AM
UAA: Brandeis

I see you altered my post... but you messed up. Brandeis did lose... as they've done every other game this year. That's why they were on the Winless list and remain there. ::)

Just for the record, I didn't alter the post.  Someone else did.  I think only Hall of Famers can do that sort of thing.  I can merge topics, though, if you ever need that done.

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 03, 2014, 05:04:35 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2014, 03:15:47 AM
UAA: Brandeis

I see you altered my post... but you messed up. Brandeis did lose... as they've done every other game this year. That's why they were on the Winless list and remain there. ::)

Just for the record, I didn't alter the post.  Someone else did.  I think only Hall of Famers can do that sort of thing.  I can merge topics, though, if you ever need that done.
Yeah, it was that scandalous sneaky scoundrel sac that did it. I've fixed his flummoxing flub fastidiously.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 03, 2014, 06:20:08 PM
Oh geez, I just assumed Brandeis wasn't winless.    :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2014, 10:34:45 PM

I know nowhere else to put this.

So, I'm looking through the scores tonight and I see Pine Manor, a school with 400 students in Boston, traditionally pretty bad at basketball, won a game by 91 points tonight, 118-27 over Landmark College.  Landmark, clearly not a d3 school.  So I'm curious and I google Landmark College.  What comes up?  "Landmark College of Putney, Vermont, is the only institution of higher learning in the United States dedicated entirely to students with dyslexia."

Obviously there are a lot of stereotypes at play here, which could be mined for humor.  I'll just leave it there.

Everyone deserves to play basketball.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 03, 2014, 10:58:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 03, 2014, 10:34:45 PM

I know nowhere else to put this.

So, I'm looking through the scores tonight and I see Pine Manor, a school with 400 students in Boston, traditionally pretty bad at basketball, won a game by 91 points tonight, 118-27 over Landmark College.  Landmark, clearly not a d3 school.  So I'm curious and I google Landmark College.  What comes up?  "Landmark College of Putney, Vermont, is the only institution of higher learning in the United States dedicated entirely to students with dyslexia."

Obviously there are a lot of stereotypes at play here, which could be mined for humor.  I'll just leave it there.

Everyone deserves to play basketball.

I think that score is wrong.

118-72

Yep, looks right to me.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 03, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Undefeated contest now down between Gregory Sager who has Amherst, Hoops Fan with Eastern Nazarene and 7Express with Western Connecticut.

Amherst has a tough game with Babson on December 11, though that game is at home, aside from that game they have a tough road contest @ Eastern Connecticut on January 6, the NESCAC game that counts @ Williams on January 11, home vs. the Ephs in the non NESCAC game January 21, @ Rhode Island College February 3, and @ Middlebury on February 15 look like challenging results as well.  Massey has Amherst favored in all of their remaining games except the game @ Eastern.

Eastern Naz plays nothing but CCC games the remainder of the season which bodes well for the Lions.  Tough remaining games for them: Endicott (home December 9, road January 24), Salve Regina (road January 11, home February 15), last years conference champion Gordon (road January 17, home February 21) and last year's regular season champion Nichols (home January 20, road February 27).  Road games @ Roger Williams (January 6), Curry (January 28), and Wentworth (February 7) could be difficult as well.  Massey has Eastern Nazarene favored all the way until the road game @ Nichols February 17.

Western Connecticut still has a game @ Albertus Magnus on December 15, and 2 games each in LEC against Rhode island (road January 20 and home February 10) and Eastern (road January 27, home February 17), and all road games in the LEC will be tough this year.  Southern Maine and Plymouth State look like the two worst teams in the conference, but those two schools are the furthest trip, and Western has lost to both at least once within the last 3 seasons.  Massey doesn't like the Colonials as much as the other 2 as the Colonials are actually projected underdogs in 7 of their final 21 games.

Assuming a miracle doesn't happen, the unbeaten champ will come down to Gregory Sager & Amherst vs. Hoops Fan and Eastern Naz.  My bet's on Amherst staying unbeaten longer than Eastern Naz.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2014, 12:17:16 AM

When I looked at teams to start the year, the ones I wanted to pick all had really tough games January 11th (like Amherst-Williams).  I figured whoever I picked would be out then, at the latest.  I went for the gamble.

Curry should be no problem.  Endicott has been playing well, but ENC's pulled out a couple games they shouldn't've necessarily won already this year, so I'm optimistic.  Then they don't play again until January.

Now what I didn't take into account is the likelihood Amherst is head and shoulders above everyone else.  Their schedule thus far has been among the weakest in the country, but I don't know that they're going to face too much trouble once it picks up.  (Just FYI, while ENC has played the 360th toughest schedule, according to Massey, Amherst comes in at 395.)

I have no delusions about ENC's overall ability this year (although next year might be a different story), but I thought the schedule was easy enough and I can't say how happy I am to be proven right thus far.  My ENC shirts are no longer ironic jokes when I wear them to d3 games.  (Shout out to Coach Jim Aller for turning the program around!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 04, 2014, 12:26:11 AM
Landmark's  got an interesting way to do a box score:

Tommy H and Tommy S off the bench!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2014, 02:28:23 AM
7express's Undefeated Pool pick, Western Connecticut, is the next team that must face the Pine Manor juggernaut on Monday Dec. 8th. It could be all over for the Colonials after Monday. ;D     

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 09, 2014, 03:40:17 AM
FCGrizzlies,
If you're keeping track of all the winless and undefeated teams as you did in that long post a few day ago, you should draw a line through Fredonia State in the SUNYAC conference. They actually won a game back on November 16th when they beat non-D3, Pitt-Titusville, 75-50. I sent an email to the guru informing him of that win but it still isn't posted on Fredonia's D3 page. Their website shows the win however. Here's the link:    http://www.fredoniabluedevils.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2014, 04:50:05 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 09, 2014, 03:40:17 AM
FCGrizzlies,
If you're keeping track of all the winless and undefeated teams as you did in that long post a few day ago, you should draw a line through Fredonia State in the SUNYAC conference. They actually won a game back on November 16th when they beat non-D3, Pitt-Titusville, 75-50. I sent an email to the guru informing him of that win but it still isn't posted on Fredonia's D3 page. Their website shows the win however. Here's the link:    http://www.fredoniabluedevils.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

I'm wondering if the win over UP-Titusville should count.. their entire schedule is against community colleges with exception of the appearance in the Allegheny Tourney... Maybe that's why Pat hasn't included the score..?? Titusville does grant two BA degrees through an association with Pitt-Bradford, but is primarily a 2 year school....  Reminds me of SUNY Delhi where my brother in law teaches... would a win vs Delhi by a four year school count?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2014, 05:02:06 AM
I wasn't officially keeping track of the results. I don't know who is running things but I just glanced through every conference's standings to find the teams with a 0 in their record. My lists didn't include anyone who didn't qualify for those lists but were still on the 'Unbeaten/Winless vs D3' lists.

I believe the ruling would be Fredonia St would drop off the winless list (and out of the competition) and move to the 'Winless vs D3' list
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2014, 05:59:11 AM
Unbeaten (25 teams)
AMCC: Penn St-Behrend (5-0), Hilbert (5-0)
ASC: Hardin-Simmons (6-0), East Texas Baptist (4-0)
CAC: Marymount (7-0)
CC: Franklin and Marshall (8-0)
CCC: Eastern Nazarene (9-0)
CCIW: North Central (IL) (6-0), Augustana lost @ Central, Elmhurst lost @ Albion
CSAC: none
CUNYAC: none
E8: none
GNAC: none
HCAC: none

IIAC: Dubuque (7-0)
Independent: none
Land: Susquehanna lost vs Merchant Marine
LEC: Keene St (7-0), Western Connecticut (6-0)
LL: Rochester Tech lost @ St John Fisher, Clarkson lost vs Elmira, Hobart lost vs Brockport St
MAC Commonwealth: none
MAC Freedom: none

MASCAC: none
MIAA: none

MIAC: St Olaf lost @ Bethel, St Thomas lost @ Gustavus Adolphus, St Mary's (MN) lost vs Augsburg
MWC: St Norbert (6-0)
NAC: none
NACC: Lakeland lost @ Concordia (WI)
NCAC: Ohio Wesleyan (7-0), Hiram lost vs Allegheny, DePauw lost @ Denison
NEAC: none
NECC: none

NESCAC: Hamilton lost vs Vassar, Bates (7-0), Middlebury (7-0), Amherst (5-0)
NEWMAC: none
NJAC: Richard Stockton (8-0)
NWC: none
OAC: Marietta (7-0), Ohio Northern lost @ Mount Union
ODAC: Lynchburg lost @ Randolph-Macon, Virginia Wesleyan lost vs Randolph-Macon, Hampden-Sydney (5-0)
PAC: none
SAA: Centre (6-0)
SCAC: U of Dallas won @ Millsaps
SCIAC: Chapman (5-0), La Verne lost @ WashU
Sky: Mount St Vincent (6-0)
SLIAC: none
SUNYAC: Cortland St (6-0)
UAA: Carnegie Mellon (7-0), WashU (8-0)
UMAC: none
USAC: none
WIAC: none



Winless (22** teams)
AMCC: Pitt-Greensburg won @ D'Youville, La Roche won vs Penn St-Altoona
ASC: Howard Payne won vs Mary Hardin-Baylor, Sul Ross St won vs Concordia (TX)
CAC: Mary Washington (0-7), York (PA) won @ Penn St-Harrisburg, Penn St-Harrisburg won @ Salisbury
CC: Ursinus (0-7)
CCC: none
CCIW: none

CSAC: Baptist Bible (0-7), Cairn (0-7), Keystone (0-6)
CUNYAC: none
E8: none
GNAC: none

HCAC: Earlham (0-6), Franklin (0-7), Transylvania (0-5)
IIAC: none
Independent: Illinois Tech* (0-7)
Land: Goucher won vs Moravian
LEC: none
LL: none
MAC Commonwealth: none
MAC Freedom: none

MASCAC: none
MIAA: Alma (0-6)
MIAC: St Mary's (MN) won vs Hamline
MWC: none
NAC: Green Mountain won vs Johnson St, Johnson St won vs Thomas
NACC: Dominican (0-7)
NCAC: none
NEAC: Wells won vs SUNY-Cobleskill, Penn St-Abington won vs Penn St-Berks, Penn College* won vs Wilson, Penn St-Berks (0-6), Bryn Athyn* (0-4)
NECC: Lesley won @ Newbury
NESCAC: none
NEWMAC: none

NJAC: Kean (0-6)
NWC: none
OAC: none

ODAC: Emory & Henry (0-7)
PAC: Washington & Jefferson (0-7)
SAA: none
SCAC: Trinity (TX) (0-7)
SCIAC: Caltech (0-5)
Sky: SUNY-Purchase won @ SUNY-Old Wesbury, SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7)
SLIAC: MacMurray won @ Blackburn
SUNYAC: Fredonia St won vs Pitt-Titusville
UAA: Brandeis won vs Framingham St
UMAC: Bethany Lutheran (0-6), Martin Luther (0-7), Crown (0-7), North Central (MN) won vs Trinity Bible (ND)
USAC: Huntingdon won vs Sewanee
WIAC: none
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2014, 06:05:43 AM
I believe this is the updated list as of Dec 8th

Unbeaten (25 teams)
AMCC: Hilbert (5-0), Penn St-Behrend (5-0)
ASC:  East Texas Baptist (4-0), Hardin-Simmons (6-0)
CAC: Marymount (7-0)
CC: Franklin and Marshall (8-0)
CCC: Eastern Nazarene (9-0)
CCIW: North Central (IL) (6-0)
IIAC: Dubuque (7-0)
LEC: Keene St (7-0), Western Connecticut (6-0)
MWC: St Norbert (6-0)
NCAC: Ohio Wesleyan (7-0)
NESCAC: Amherst (5-0), Bates (7-0), Middlebury (7-0)
NJAC: Richard Stockton (8-0)
OAC: Marietta (7-0)
ODAC: Hampden-Sydney (5-0)
SAA: Centre (6-0)
SCIAC: Chapman (5-0)
Sky: Mount St Vincent (6-0)
SUNYAC: Cortland St (6-0)
UAA: Carnegie Mellon (7-0), WashU (8-0)



Winless (22** teams)
CAC: Mary Washington (0-7)
CC: Ursinus (0-7)
CSAC: Baptist Bible (0-7), Cairn (0-7), Keystone (0-6)
HCAC: Earlham (0-6), Franklin (0-7), Transylvania (0-5)
Independent: Illinois Tech* (0-7)
MIAA: Alma (0-6)
NACC: Dominican (0-7)
NEAC: Bryn Athyn* (0-4), Penn St-Berks (0-6)
NJAC: Kean (0-6)
ODAC: Emory & Henry (0-7)
PAC: Washington & Jefferson (0-7)
SCAC: Trinity (TX) (0-7)
SCIAC: Caltech (0-5)
Sky: SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7)
UMAC: Bethany Lutheran (0-6), Crown (0-7), Martin Luther (0-7)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 09, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Great work FC +1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 09, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
The pick 'em contests should have some fine UMACtion in January if these trends hold!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 09, 2014, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2014, 06:05:43 AM
I believe this is the updated list as of Dec 8th

Unbeaten (25 teams)
AMCC: Hilbert (5-0), Penn St-Behrend (5-0)
ASC:  East Texas Baptist (4-0), Hardin-Simmons (6-0)
CAC: Marymount (7-0)
CC: Franklin and Marshall (8-0)
CCC: Eastern Nazarene (9-0)
CCIW: North Central (IL) (6-0)
IIAC: Dubuque (7-0)
LEC: Keene St (7-0), Western Connecticut (6-0)
MWC: St Norbert (6-0)
NCAC: Ohio Wesleyan (7-0)
NESCAC: Amherst (5-0), Bates (7-0), Middlebury (7-0)
NJAC: Richard Stockton (8-0)
OAC: Marietta (7-0)
ODAC: Hampden-Sydney (5-0)
SAA: Centre (6-0)
SCIAC: Chapman (5-0)
Sky: Mount St Vincent (6-0)
SUNYAC: Cortland St (6-0)
UAA: Carnegie Mellon (7-0), WashU (8-0)



Winless (22** teams)
CAC: Mary Washington (0-7)
CC: Ursinus (0-7)
CSAC: Baptist Bible (0-7), Cairn (0-7), Keystone (0-6)
HCAC: Earlham (0-6), Franklin (0-7), Transylvania (0-5)
Independent: Illinois Tech* (0-7)
MIAA: Alma (0-6)
NACC: Dominican (0-7)
NEAC: Bryn Athyn* (0-4), Penn St-Berks (0-6)
NJAC: Kean (0-6)
ODAC: Emory & Henry (0-7)
PAC: Washington & Jefferson (0-7)
SCAC: Trinity (TX) (0-7)
SCIAC: Caltech (0-5)
Sky: SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7)
UMAC: Bethany Lutheran (0-6), Crown (0-7), Martin Luther (0-7)

Only 8 of those unbeatens made the top 25, the pollsters seem suspicious of many of them.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2014, 09:30:54 PM
Amherst and ENC go out tonight (big).  I guess, 7 wins, right?  Western Connecticut of all teams?


Yes, that is the same Western Connecticut squad who allowed PINE MANOR to score 99 points yesterday.  A win is a win, I guess.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2014, 11:07:37 PM
Three conferences (CSAC, HCAC, UMAC) accounted for 9 of the 22 winless teams... meaning the other 40ish conferences had just 13 winless teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2014, 11:11:53 PM
I'd be willing to be that Dec. 9 is the earliest the undefeated contest has ever ended - anyone know?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2014, 11:38:46 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

Yeah, we're only on page 300!  I didn't expect anyone to wade thru all that, but thought magicman or somebody might keep such records (seems like somebody or other keeps every other possible record)!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 10, 2014, 01:00:16 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

Well Charlie...I mean Greg, what's the answer? Is it a record?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2014, 06:28:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

Well, there are a few teams, somebody picks every year.  All you'd have to do is look back in the records to see if, for example, Amherst ever lost its first game before December 9th.  Then maybe Stevens Point.  You wouldn't have to necessarily look through the posts (other than to find the first one and see what year the pool started.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2014, 07:13:59 AM
Had a few teams in action last night. Unbeaten teams went just 1-3 while winless teams were 0-2

Unbeaten (22 teams)
AMCC: Hilbert (5-0), Penn St-Behrend (5-0)
ASC:  East Texas Baptist (4-0), Hardin-Simmons (6-0)
CAC: Marymount (7-0)
CC: Franklin and Marshall (8-0)
CCC: Eastern Nazarene (9-0) L vs Endicott 70-88
CCIW: North Central (IL) (6-0)
IIAC: Dubuque (8-0) W @ Bethany Lutheran 85-62
LEC: Keene St (7-0), Western Connecticut (6-0)
MWC: St Norbert (6-0)
NCAC: Ohio Wesleyan (7-0) L @ Trine 82-87
NESCAC: Amherst (5-0) L vs Brandeis 58-78, Bates (7-0), Middlebury (7-0)
NJAC: Richard Stockton (8-0)
OAC: Marietta (7-0)
ODAC: Hampden-Sydney (5-0)
SAA: Centre (6-0)
SCIAC: Chapman (5-0)
Sky: Mount St Vincent (6-0)
SUNYAC: Cortland St (6-0)
UAA: Carnegie Mellon (7-0), WashU (8-0)



Winless (22** teams)
CAC: Mary Washington (0-7)
CC: Ursinus (0-7)
CSAC: Baptist Bible (0-7), Cairn (0-7), Keystone (0-6)
HCAC: Earlham (0-6), Franklin (0-7), Transylvania (0-5)
Independent: Illinois Tech* (0-7)
MIAA: Alma (0-6)
NACC: Dominican (0-7)
NEAC: Bryn Athyn* (0-5) L vs St Mary's (MD) 54-79, Penn St-Berks (0-6)
NJAC: Kean (0-6)
ODAC: Emory & Henry (0-7)
PAC: Washington & Jefferson (0-7)
SCAC: Trinity (TX) (0-7)
SCIAC: Caltech (0-5)
Sky: SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7)
UMAC: Bethany Lutheran (0-7) L vs Dubuque 62-85 , Crown (0-7), Martin Luther (0-7)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2014, 07:50:25 AM
Here's the updated list in order of when their next game is plus who they play

Unbeaten (22 teams)
Penn St-Behrend (5-0) @ Fredonia St 12/10
Richard Stockton (8-0) @ Rutgers-Camden 12/10
WashU (8-0) @ Webster 12/10

East Texas Baptist (4-0) vs U of the Ozarks 12/11
Western Connecticut (6-0) @ Worchester St 12/11
North Central (IL) (6-0) vs Dickinson (@ Juniata) 12/12
Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13

Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (22** teams)
Dominican (0-7) vs Aurora 12/10
Earlham (0-6) @ DePauw 12/10
Emory & Henry (0-7) vs Montreat College 12/10
Kean (0-6) vs Rutgers-Newark 12/10
Penn St-Berks (0-6) vs DeSales 12/10

Martin Luther (0-7) vs Luther 12/11
Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 10, 2014, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

That's typical of a statistician.... make OTHERS do all of the work while he sits back and counts 'em...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 10, 2014, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

That's typical of a statistician.... make OTHERS do all of the work while he sits back and counts 'em...

Actually, that's the case with any prof - have the grad students do all the work.  (You guys DID know you're my grad students - right? ;D)

But as I said before - I didn't expect that anyone would wade thru 300 pages for the answer.  I just hoped that someone might have already kept track of such a thing.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 10, 2014, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

That's typical of a statistician.... make OTHERS do all of the work while he sits back and counts 'em...

Actually, that's the case with any prof - have the grad students do all the work.  (You guys DID know you're my grad students - right? ;D)


So, what degree am I getting?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2014, 01:06:13 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 10, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 10, 2014, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

That's typical of a statistician.... make OTHERS do all of the work while he sits back and counts 'em...

Actually, that's the case with any prof - have the grad students do all the work.  (You guys DID know you're my grad students - right? ;D)


So, what degree am I getting?

PhD in D3ology IF you complete a dissertation (Greg can just reference any 3 or 4 of his posts ;D) and pass the oral defense.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 10, 2014, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 10, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 10, 2014, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

That's typical of a statistician.... make OTHERS do all of the work while he sits back and counts 'em...

Actually, that's the case with any prof - have the grad students do all the work.  (You guys DID know you're my grad students - right? ;D)


So, what degree am I getting?

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A degree in cinder block stacking......from Eastern Michigan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 10, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Quote from: sac on December 10, 2014, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 10, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 10, 2014, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
If only we had an archive of past posts or something ;)

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

That's typical of a statistician.... make OTHERS do all of the work while he sits back and counts 'em...

Actually, that's the case with any prof - have the grad students do all the work.  (You guys DID know you're my grad students - right? ;D)


So, what degree am I getting?

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A degree in cinder block stacking......from Eastern Michigan
Let the men's basketball team have a crack at that wall.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2014, 11:00:58 PM
Tonight's results
Penn St-Behrend (5-0) @ Fredonia St W 71-48
Richard Stockton (8-0) @ Rutgers-Camden W 12/10 82-66
WashU (8-0) @ Webster W 80-70

Dominican (0-7) vs Aurora L 68-80
Earlham (0-6) @ DePauw L 48-68
Emory & Henry (0-7) vs Montreat College W 85-74
Kean (0-6) vs Rutgers-Newark W 58-55
Penn St-Berks (0-6) vs DeSales L 64-80


Unbeaten (22 teams)
East Texas Baptist (4-0) vs U of the Ozarks 12/11
Western Connecticut (6-0) @ Worchester St 12/11

North Central (IL) (6-0) vs Dickinson (@ Juniata) 12/12
Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona 12/13
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan 12/13

Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (20** teams)
Martin Luther (0-7) vs Luther 12/11

Penn St-Berks (0-7) vs Penn College 12/12
Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering 12/13
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 11, 2014, 09:49:47 AM
Eastern has an interesting schedule their next four games... first is vs 0-5 Bryn Athyn, then at 0-7 Ursinus, then vs Swarthmore, and finally @ 0-7 PSU-Brandywine who is USCAA. A combined 3-24 between the four teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 12, 2014, 12:01:12 AM
Tonight's results
East Texas Baptist (4-0) vs U of the Ozarks W 82-64
Western Connecticut (6-0) @ Worchester St W 95-52

Martin Luther (0-7) vs Luther W 64-61


Unbeaten (22 teams)
North Central (IL) (6-0) vs Dickinson (@ Juniata) 12/12

Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona 12/13
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan 12/13

Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (19** teams)
Penn St-Berks (0-7) vs Penn College 12/12

Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering 12/13
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 12, 2014, 08:42:09 AM
Martin Luther (0-7) vs Luther W 64-61  - atta boy Luther!!

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 13, 2014, 12:02:40 AM
The carnage continues as both teams in action fell off their respective list.
North Central (IL) (6-0) vs Dickinson (@ Juniata) L 73-80

Penn St-Berks (0-7) vs Penn College W 80-65


Unbeaten (21 teams)
Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona 12/13
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan 12/13

Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (18** teams)
Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering 12/13
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 13, 2014, 06:14:50 AM
The Undefeated and Winless  Pool Contest


Unbeaten (21 teams)
Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona 12/13
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan 12/13

Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15  Winner 7express
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (18** teams)
Two teams remain alive for the Winless Pool Crown
Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13  Owned by magicman 3 games in the next 6 days. I could win one while Cairn is idle.
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering 12/13
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3  Co-owned by Greg Sager and Hoopsfan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 13, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
What the hell happened to Amherst??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 14, 2014, 12:23:24 AM
Busy day for the lists.

Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra W 89-72
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT W 75-49
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst L 93-98 OT
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright W 74-70
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust W 82-67
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern W 81-63
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) W 77-59
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine W 74-67
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg W 83-77
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn L 72-90
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona W 71-43
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark W 48-45
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire W 66-55
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan W 90-72

Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) L 65-85
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah L 74-94
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz L 56-60 OT
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering W 66-65
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover L 46-79
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph L 66-84
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) L 53-65
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance W 74-68



Unbeaten (19 teams)
Hilbert (6-0) @ D'Youville 12/15
Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15
Hardin-Simmons (7-0) @ Howard Payne 12/16
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace 12/17
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College 12/17

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3



Winless (16** teams)
Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14

Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Caltech (0-6) vs Transylvania 12/16
Franklin (0-8) vs Thomas More 12/17
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Mary Washington (0-8) @ Virginia Wesleyan 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17

Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2014, 02:04:50 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 14, 2014, 12:23:24 AM
Busy day for the lists.

Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra W 89-72
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT W 75-49
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst L 93-98 OT
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright W 74-70
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust W 82-67
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern W 81-63
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) W 77-59
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine W 74-67
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg W 83-77
[s]Mount St Vincent (6-0)[/s] @ St Francis Brooklyn L 72-90
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona W 71-43
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark W 48-45
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire W 66-55
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan W 90-72

Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) L 65-85
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah L 74-94
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz L 56-60 OT
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering W 66-65
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover L 46-79
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph L 66-84
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) L 53-65
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance W 74-68



Unbeaten (19 teams)
Hilbert (6-0) @ D'Youville 12/15
Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15
Hardin-Simmons (7-0) @ Howard Payne 12/16
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace 12/17
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College 12/17

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3



Winless (16** teams)
Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14

Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Caltech (0-6) vs Transylvania 12/16
Franklin (0-8) vs Thomas More 12/17
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Mary Washington (0-8) @ Virginia Wesleyan 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17

Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5

Does it matter that St. Francis is D1?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 14, 2014, 03:08:59 AM
No it doesn't matter! ;D   Although they can still be unbeaten vs D3 if we were maintaining a list like that this year. We used to have an Undefeated...Undefeated vs D3....Winless and Winless vs D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 14, 2014, 03:56:51 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 14, 2014, 03:08:59 AM
No it doesn't matter! ;D   Although they can still be unbeaten vs D3 if we were maintaining a list like that this year. We used to have an Undefeated...Undefeated vs D3....Winless and Winless vs D3.
I manually looked up who was unbeaten/winless which was easy enough by looking at conference standings. To compile the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists I'd have to do a lot more work. It's easy enough to keep track of the teams once I have the lists, but finding the lists take quite some effort.
Maybe next year if I end up doing it again I'll start from the beginning of the season and won't have to peruse 400 pages in the middle of the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 14, 2014, 04:18:41 AM
The big matchup between my winless team Caltech and winless Translyvania that was going to take place on Tuesday took a hit Saturday when Transy beat Defiance 74-68. The Beavers did their part as they lost to the UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs in overtime. The Beavers grabbed the lead with 34 seconds left but couldn't stop the Slugs from getting the tying basket and sending the game into OT. UC Santa Cruz was never headed in the extra session.

Still, Caltech has 2 chances to get off the schneid next week with the game against Transy on Tuesday and Pennslyvania based Mount Aloysius, who travels west for 2 games against La Verne on the 17th and Caltech on Thursday the 18th. Mount Aloysius is a middle of the pack team from one of the weakest conferences in D3. The Beavers may get a W in that game.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 14, 2014, 04:22:09 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 14, 2014, 03:56:51 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 14, 2014, 03:08:59 AM
No it doesn't matter! ;D   Although they can still be unbeaten vs D3 if we were maintaining a list like that this year. We used to have an Undefeated...Undefeated vs D3....Winless and Winless vs D3.
I manually looked up who was unbeaten/winless which was easy enough by looking at conference standings. To compile the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists I'd have to do a lot more work. It's easy enough to keep track of the teams once I have the lists, but finding the lists take quite some effort.
Maybe next year if I end up doing it again I'll start from the beginning of the season and won't have to peruse 400 pages in the middle of the season.

I did this board several years ago and maintained those 4 lists so I know the work that goes into it. That's why I haven't taken on the job since then, ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2014, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 14, 2014, 04:22:09 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 14, 2014, 03:56:51 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 14, 2014, 03:08:59 AM
No it doesn't matter! ;D   Although they can still be unbeaten vs D3 if we were maintaining a list like that this year. We used to have an Undefeated...Undefeated vs D3....Winless and Winless vs D3.
I manually looked up who was unbeaten/winless which was easy enough by looking at conference standings. To compile the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists I'd have to do a lot more work. It's easy enough to keep track of the teams once I have the lists, but finding the lists take quite some effort.
Maybe next year if I end up doing it again I'll start from the beginning of the season and won't have to peruse 400 pages in the middle of the season.


I did this board several years ago and maintained those 4 lists so I know the work that goes into it. That's why I haven't taken on the job since then, ;D

First of all.. Griz..Fantastic job...

When I've done it (4 or 5 years in the past) I ran a program that requires a tremendous amount of input (yes, every D3 team schedule out there, as well as basic info on every Non D3 team that D3 teams play), then downloaded scores every day of the season to that database... it allowed me to then provide all the data that several pages used... the four categories of winless and undefeated, the D3 vs non d3 data, records by conference against non conference D3 etc...

Unfortunately this year, a death in the family was imminent, and as my wife and I were main caregivers, the time to input was unavailable, and the prospect of providing timely output was a major concern even if I completed the input.  I really enjoyed doing the work in the past, and look forward to doing it again next year..... and also looking for ideas on other output that might be entertaining to readers... I actually got to help one of the regional voters by providing quick analysis given my easy access to each team's results....


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2014, 04:24:23 AM
For the first time in quite a few days the lists remain unchanged

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg L 53-93
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel L 53-61


Unbeaten (19 teams)
Hilbert (6-0) @ D'Youville 12/15
Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15

Hardin-Simmons (7-0) @ Howard Payne 12/16
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace 12/17
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College 12/17

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3



Winless (16** teams)
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15

Caltech (0-6) vs Transylvania 12/16
Franklin (0-8) vs Thomas More 12/17
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Mary Washington (0-8) @ Virginia Wesleyan 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17

Bethany Lutheran (0-8) @ Buena Vista 12/18
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
Washington & Jefferson (0-8) vs Penn St-DuBois 12/22
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 15, 2014, 10:49:59 PM
Western loses to Albertus 110-90 something to fall off the unbeaten list and officially elimate everyone from the unbeaten pool.  Just like I thought would happen.  What I didn't figure to happen was Western being the last team standing however.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 16, 2014, 04:08:12 AM
Quote from: 7express on December 15, 2014, 10:49:59 PM
Western loses to Albertus 110-90 something to fall off the unbeaten list and officially elimate everyone from the unbeaten pool.  Just like I thought would happen.  What I didn't figure to happen was Western being the last team standing however.

What's funny is that there are so many undefeated teams left and yet no one from the Undefeated Pool is left standing. In fact, there are so many teams left, that we could have another Undefeated Pool contest and choose a new team. We had 18 original players in the Undefeated pool at the start of the season...we have exactly 18 undefeated schools left at the present time. What a conincidence. ??? ;D

I'm in and I choose Hilbert.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 16, 2014, 06:10:17 AM

I'll take St. Norbert.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 16, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
Hilbert (6-0) @ D'Youville W 88-68
Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus L 92-110

Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern L 67-94

Unbeaten (18 teams)
Hardin-Simmons (7-0) @ Howard Payne 12/16
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16

Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace 12/17
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College 12/17

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Pitt-Bradford 1/7



Winless (16** teams)
Caltech (0-6) vs Transylvania 12/16

Bryn Athyn* (0-6) @ Delaware Valley 12/17
Franklin (0-8) vs Thomas More 12/17
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Mary Washington (0-8) @ Virginia Wesleyan 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17

Bethany Lutheran (0-8) @ Buena Vista 12/18
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
Washington & Jefferson (0-8) vs Penn St-DuBois 12/22
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 16, 2014, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 16, 2014, 04:08:12 AM
Quote from: 7express on December 15, 2014, 10:49:59 PM
Western loses to Albertus 110-90 something to fall off the unbeaten list and officially elimate everyone from the unbeaten pool.  Just like I thought would happen.  What I didn't figure to happen was Western being the last team standing however.

What's funny is that there are so many undefeated teams left and yet no one from the Undefeated Pool is left standing. In fact, there are so many teams left, that we could have another Undefeated Pool contest and choose a new team. We had 18 original players in the Undefeated pool at the start of the season...we have exactly 18 undefeated schools left at the present time. What a conincidence. ??? ;D

I'm in and I choose Hilbert.
I'll place my curse on Hardin-Simmons
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2014, 09:50:35 AM
 I'll take Wash U.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 16, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
TGHIJGSTO!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 16, 2014, 11:17:00 AM
I'll take Marietta.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 16, 2014, 11:20:59 AM
Unbeaten (18 teams)
Hardin-Simmons (7-0) @ Howard Payne 12/16    FCGrizzliesGrad
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16

Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace 12/17          7express
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College 12/17          Hoops Fan

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20                             ronk
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3   smedindy
Hilbert (7-0) @ Pitt-Bradford 1/7                               magicman
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hscathletics on December 16, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
Can I take my own school (Hampden-Sydney) for just for the hell of it?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 16, 2014, 08:26:39 PM
F&M
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 16, 2014, 10:23:35 PM
I thought Mr. Sager and Hoops Fan might have won the Winless Pool tonight as my Caltech Beavers looked like they might pull one out in OT against Translyvania. The Pioneers scored however, with 21 seconds left in OT, to tie the Beavers at 77 and then won going away by outscoring Caltech 16-4 in the 2nd overtime period. I live for another day. The final score was Transy 93 Caltech 81   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 16, 2014, 11:17:38 PM
Cairn came scary-close to beating Marywood back on December 6, losing 65-62 on a Marywood trey with eight seconds left in the game. Other than that, the Highlanders have lost by double digits in every game they've played. Their next opponent, PSU-Abington (1-5), looks beatable, but that game's not until January 3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 16, 2014, 11:19:55 PM
Another day, another team falls off.

Hardin-Simmons (7-0) @ Howard Payne W 77-59
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg L 62-69
Caltech (0-6) vs Transylvania L 81-93 2OT

Unbeaten (17 teams)
Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace 12/17
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College 12/17

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Hardin-Simmons (8-0) vs Sul Ross St 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20

Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Pitt-Bradford 1/7



Winless (16** teams)
Bryn Athyn* (0-6) @ Delaware Valley 12/17
Franklin (0-8) vs Thomas More 12/17
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Mary Washington (0-8) @ Virginia Wesleyan 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17

Bethany Lutheran (0-8) @ Buena Vista 12/18
Caltech (0-7) vs Mount Aloysis 12/18
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20

Washington & Jefferson (0-8) vs Penn St-DuBois 12/22
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 18, 2014, 12:17:22 AM
Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace W 86-77
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College W 87-58

Bryn Athyn* (0-6) @ Delaware Valley L 64-76
Franklin (0-8) vs Thomas More L 68-70 :(
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford L 51-64
Mary Washington (0-8) @ Virginia Wesleyan L 60-81
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern W 100-92



Unbeaten (17 teams)
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Hardin-Simmons (8-0) vs Sul Ross St 12/18

Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
Marietta (9-0) vs John Carroll 12/20
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20

Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
St Norbert (8-0) vs St Scholastica 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Pitt-Bradford 1/7



Winless (15** teams)
Bethany Lutheran (0-8) @ Buena Vista 12/18
Caltech (0-7) vs Mount Aloysis 12/18
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18

Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Bryn Athyn* (0-7) @ Swarthmore 12/20
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
Franklin (0-9) vs Wabash 12/20
Illinois Tech* (0-8) vs Rose-Hulman 12/20
Mary Washington (0-9) vs Randolph 12/20

Washington & Jefferson (0-8) vs Penn St-DuBois 12/22
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 18, 2014, 08:56:37 PM
Caltech may be on the verge of winning their 1st game of the year as they lead Mount Aloysius 23-19 at the half.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 18, 2014, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 18, 2014, 08:56:37 PM
Caltech may be on the verge of winning their 1st game of the year as they lead Mount Aloysius 23-19 at the half.
Caltech and magicman go down (up?) as they win in OT 72-68. That leaves Cairn picked by Greg Sager and Hoopsfan as the winless winners
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 18, 2014, 10:26:01 PM
I stated a few days ago that Caltech may get a win when they played Mount Aloysius and the Beavers did just that as they defeated the Mounties 72-68 in overtime tonight.

Cairn is the winner of the Winless Pool. Congrats to Mr. Sager and Hoops Fan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 18, 2014, 10:32:47 PM
Caltech comes off the winless list before my Grizzlies do...  :o :'(

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche W 74-64 OT
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean W 80-56
Hardin-Simmons (8-0) vs Sul Ross St W 90-66

Bethany Lutheran (0-8) @ Buena Vista L 68-99
Caltech (0-7) vs Mount Aloysius W 72-68 OT
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) L 64-66
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth L 52-67



Unbeaten (17 teams)
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
Hampden-Sydney (6-0) vs Sewanee 12/19

Marietta (9-0) vs John Carroll 12/20
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20

Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Hardin-Simmons (9-0) vs Texas Lutheran 12/29
St Norbert (8-0) vs St Scholastica 12/29
Carnegie Mellon (8-0) vs Juniata 12/31
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Pitt-Bradford 1/7



Winless (14** teams)
Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Keystone (0-7) vs Kean (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/19
Trinity (TX) (0-8) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/19

Bryn Athyn* (0-7) @ Swarthmore 12/20
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
Franklin (0-9) vs Wabash 12/20
Illinois Tech* (0-8) vs Rose-Hulman 12/20
Mary Washington (0-9) vs Randolph 12/20

Washington & Jefferson (0-8) vs Penn St-DuBois 12/22
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central 1/2
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2014, 11:28:01 PM
I won the winless bracket with Cairn, and I came pretty close to winning the undefeateds bracket with Amherst.

If the headliners in the ballroom weren't so awful and the buffets weren't so picked-over, I'd be on the bus with the bluehairs down to the casino in Hammond.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2014, 08:24:08 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2014, 11:28:01 PM
I won the winless bracket with Cairn, and I came pretty close to winning the undefeateds bracket with Amherst.

If the headliners in the ballroom weren't so awful and the buffets weren't so picked-over, I'd be on the bus with the bluehairs down to the casino in Hammond.

I also picked Cairn and came just as close to winning the undefeateds with EASTERN NAZARENE COLLEGE.  I believe my gambling payoff here is considerably higher.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 19, 2014, 08:48:18 AM
I'll take Crown for the second chance losers pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 19, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: 7express on December 19, 2014, 08:48:18 AM
I'll take Crown for the second chance losers pool.

You have to wait until Cairn loses before you can start a 2nd chance losers pool. We didn't start a 2nd Winner's Pool until your Western Connecticut team lost now did we? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2014, 03:12:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 19, 2014, 08:24:08 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2014, 11:28:01 PM
I won the winless bracket with Cairn, and I came pretty close to winning the undefeateds bracket with Amherst.

If the headliners in the ballroom weren't so awful and the buffets weren't so picked-over, I'd be on the bus with the bluehairs down to the casino in Hammond.

I also picked Cairn and came just as close to winning the undefeateds with EASTERN NAZARENE COLLEGE.  I believe my gambling payoff here is considerably higher.

Yeah, but I had dibs on Cairn. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2014, 09:12:22 PM

I just looked at Trinity's schedule.  They've got to have one of the toughest in the country thus far (#3 according to Massey, before the Wheaton game today).  They haven't won yet, but there's really not a game on the schedule they should've been favored to win (maybe Concordia).  Crazy tough.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2014, 01:14:39 PM
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) W 71-55
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler W 80-58
Hampden-Sydney (6-0) vs Sewanee W 58-48

Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh L 56-62
Keystone (0-7) vs Kean (@ Hampden-Sydney) L 51-65
Trinity (TX) (0-8) vs Wheaton (IL) L 63-68



Unbeaten (17 teams)
Centre (7-0) vs MacMurray (@ Oglethorpe) 12/20
Marietta (9-0) vs John Carroll 12/20
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20

Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Hampden-Sydney (7-0) vs Wartburg (@ Las Vegas) 12/28
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Hardin-Simmons (9-0) vs Texas Lutheran 12/29
St Norbert (8-0) vs St Scholastica 12/29
Carnegie Mellon (8-0) vs Juniata 12/31
East Texas Baptist (7-0) @ Hendrix 12/31
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Pitt-Bradford 1/7



Winless (14** teams)
Alma (0-8) @ Ripon 12/20
Bryn Athyn* (0-7) @ Swarthmore 12/20
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
Franklin (0-9) vs Wabash 12/20
Illinois Tech* (0-8) vs Rose-Hulman 12/20
Mary Washington (0-9) vs Randolph 12/20
Trinity (TX) (0-9) vs SUNYIT 12/20

Washington & Jefferson (0-8) vs Penn St-DuBois 12/22
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central 1/2
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2014, 07:38:19 PM
Alma gets off the schneid with a 86-80 OT win at Ripon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2014, 07:54:28 PM
Franklin finally got a win ;D
Franklin up 66-65 with 3 seconds left and Wabash missed the front of a one and one. Franklin gets the rebound and wins.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2014, 11:26:57 PM
Three teams take their names off the winless list today. Things get quiet for the next week with just a couple games on Monday and then nothing until next Sunday

Centre (7-0) vs MacMurray (@ Oglethorpe) W 70-48
Marietta (9-0) vs John Carroll W 82-68
WashU (10-0) @ Coe W 88-78

Alma (0-8) @ Ripon W 86-80 OT
Bryn Athyn* (0-7) @ Swarthmore L 64-76
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon L 63-79
Franklin (0-9) vs Wabash W 66-65 8-)
Illinois Tech* (0-8) vs Rose-Hulman L 42-73
Mary Washington (0-9) vs Randolph L 49-68
Trinity (TX) (0-9) vs SUNYIT W 65-61



Unbeaten (17 teams)
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22

Hampden-Sydney (7-0) vs Wartburg (@ Las Vegas) 12/28
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Centre (8-0) vs Johns Hopkins (@ Wash & Lee) 12/29
Hardin-Simmons (9-0) vs Texas Lutheran 12/29
St Norbert (8-0) vs St Scholastica 12/29
Marietta (10-0) vs Eastern Connecticut (@ Miami) 12/30
Carnegie Mellon (8-0) vs Juniata 12/31
East Texas Baptist (7-0) @ Hendrix 12/31
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Pitt-Bradford 1/7
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (11** teams)
Washington & Jefferson (0-8) vs Penn St-DuBois 12/22

Illinois Tech* (0-9) @ Defiance 12/29
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Earlham (0-9) vs Denison 12/30
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central 1/2
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Mary Washington (0-10) vs Marymount 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2014, 11:31:14 PM
I figured it wouldn't be long before Trinity (TX) came off the list; they have recently given serious scares to some very good teams, including undefeated and #1 WashU!  They had to have been the best 0-9 team in the country - and maybe for many years past!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 22, 2014, 04:17:45 PM
Let's not get carried away, Chuck. Yes, the Tigers have played a brutal schedule, and, yes, they've put scares into some good teams. But they were winless for a reason. Their first win of the season came on their own floor Saturday evening against a SUNYIT team that entered the contest with a 2-7 record and a #377 Massey rating -- with the two SUNYIT wins coming at the expense of hapless Wells (#409 Massey, out of 417 D3 teams) and the oh-so-mighty Future Forest Rangers of SUNY ESF (a USCAA Div. 2) entry. And yet Trinity (TX) only beat SUNYIT by four; the game was tied going into the final minute.

I watched Trinity (TX) play Wheaton the other day. The Tigers certainly aren't terrible, that's for sure ... but they're not all that good, either. I'm more inclined to chalk up their terrific 48 hours against Emory and Wash U two weekends ago as "just one of those things."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 22, 2014, 04:50:10 PM
Of course, we had the great 'mediocre' or not debate in the past. Choose your adjectives wisely!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2014, 05:19:07 PM
I certainly didn't mean to imply that Trinity was a good (or even 'average') team; just far from what one thinks of when '0-9' is uttered.  (And, is it possible that beating SUNYIT by only 4 is 'just one of those things'?!) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 22, 2014, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2014, 05:19:07 PM
I certainly didn't mean to imply that Trinity was a good (or even 'average') team; just far from what one thinks of when '0-9' is uttered.  (And, is it possible that beating SUNYIT by only 4 is 'just one of those things'?!) ;)

Sure, because it balances out the close losses to the two UAA powers two weeks ago.

My assessment of the Tigers is based more upon the eyeball test against Wheaton than anything else, given that I've seen the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance play several times now and I have a feel for where WC fits in this year's D3 universe.

Quote from: smedindy on December 22, 2014, 04:50:10 PM
Of course, we had the great 'mediocre' or not debate in the past. Choose your adjectives wisely!

Well, I for one feel quite secure in using the adjective "hapless" to describe Wells. The Express have no hap whatsoever. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: jaybird44 on December 23, 2014, 10:13:50 AM
All this talk about 1-win Trinity is exhilarating, LOL.

I still think the Tigers have a few more wins coming in conference play.  Now that they have a win (albeit against a very weak opponent), they might get enough confidence to finish games.  Have to shoot much better from the free-throw line and get there more often...it seems that is the common denominator underlying their close losses.

There are only 2 teams in the SCAC with winning records before conference play begins.  Can Trinity get wins vs. the other 5 struggling teams in that conference?  We shall see.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on December 23, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
In other winless news. The CSAC has three teams with 0 wins. Baptist Bible, Cairn and the surprising Keystone. There will be two teams that will be guaranteed to get a win before the season is out. BBC plays @ Keystone on 1/14 and then @ Cairn on 1/21. Keystone is @ Cairn on 1/7. So somebody should win, unless of course they allow ties or some serious snow storms come into play!  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 23, 2014, 06:08:47 PM
We gotta have some of those games on the pick 'em!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on December 23, 2014, 07:26:31 PM
Another one of two teams for the pick 'em who could come off the winless list. Bethany Lutheran hosts Crown on 1/17.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 23, 2014, 11:43:26 PM
I was going to have the Franklin-Earlham game on the slate for Jan 3rd... then Franklin went and won a game ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 24, 2014, 01:43:10 AM
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra W 81-58

Washington & Jefferson (0-8) vs Penn St-DuBois W 99-67


Unbeaten (17 teams)
Hampden-Sydney (7-0) vs Wartburg (@ Las Vegas) 12/28
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28

Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Centre (8-0) vs Johns Hopkins (@ Wash & Lee) 12/29
Chapman (7-0) vs Oberlin 12/29
Hardin-Simmons (9-0) vs Texas Lutheran 12/29
St Norbert (8-0) vs St Scholastica 12/29
Marietta (10-0) vs Eastern Connecticut (@ Miami) 12/30
Carnegie Mellon (8-0) vs Juniata 12/31
East Texas Baptist (7-0) @ Hendrix 12/31
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31

Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Pitt-Bradford 1/7
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (10** teams)
Illinois Tech* (0-9) @ Defiance 12/29
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Earlham (0-9) vs Denison 12/30
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31

Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central 1/2
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Mary Washington (0-10) vs Marymount 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on December 24, 2014, 03:56:53 PM
Hilbert plays Potsdam on 1/3, a game rescheduled from the November Blizzard in Buffalo.

The following night, they face off against either John Carroll or Nazareth.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 24, 2014, 11:36:45 PM
 Richard Stockton and/or F&M will drop off the list since they're playing in the same tourney 1/3-4
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on December 25, 2014, 09:34:08 AM
Merry Christmas posters!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 29, 2014, 05:09:41 AM
Hampden-Sydney (7-0) vs Wartburg (@ Las Vegas) W 69-55
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson L 58-71


Unbeaten (16 teams)
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Centre (8-0) vs Johns Hopkins (@ Wash & Lee) 12/29
Chapman (7-0) vs Oberlin 12/29
Hampden-Sydney (8-0) vs Husson (@ Las Vegas) 12/29
Hardin-Simmons (9-0) vs Texas Lutheran 12/29
St Norbert (8-0) vs St Scholastica 12/29

Marietta (10-0) vs Eastern Connecticut (@ Miami) 12/30
Carnegie Mellon (8-0) vs Juniata 12/31
East Texas Baptist (7-0) @ Hendrix 12/31
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31

Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Potsdam St 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (10** teams)
Illinois Tech* (0-9) @ Defiance 12/29
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29

Earlham (0-9) vs Denison 12/30
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31

Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central 1/2
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Mary Washington (0-10) vs Marymount 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 30, 2014, 01:07:57 AM
Not a good day to be an unbeaten team playing... 4 of 6 that played lost meaning 25% of the list was removed.

Bates (7-0) @ Emory L 65-84
Centre (8-0) vs Johns Hopkins (@ Wash & Lee) L 51-66
Chapman (7-0) vs Oberlin W 72-50
Hampden-Sydney (8-0) vs Husson (@ Las Vegas) L 51-53
Hardin-Simmons (9-0) vs Texas Lutheran L 54-77
St Norbert (8-0) vs St Scholastica W 82-55

Illinois Tech* (0-9) @ Defiance L 40-68
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher L 37-67


Unbeaten (12 teams)
Chapman (8-0) vs St Joseph's (Brooklyn) 12/30
Marietta (10-0) vs Eastern Connecticut (@ Miami) 12/30
St Norbert (9-0) vs John Carroll 12/30

Carnegie Mellon (8-0) vs Juniata 12/31
East Texas Baptist (7-0) @ Hendrix 12/31
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31

Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Potsdam St 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (10** teams)
Earlham (0-9) vs Denison 12/30
Illinois Tech* (0-10) vs Lakeland (@ Defiance) 12/30
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-8) vs Utica (@ St John Fisher) 12/30

Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31

Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central 1/2
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Mary Washington (0-10) vs Marymount 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 31, 2014, 01:08:26 AM
Chapman (8-0) vs St Joseph's (Brooklyn) W 75-68 OT
Marietta (10-0) vs Eastern Connecticut (@ Miami) W 79-78
St Norbert (9-0) vs John Carroll L 70-80

Earlham (0-9) vs Denison L 63-70
Illinois Tech* (0-10) vs Lakeland (@ Defiance) L 45-92
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-8) vs Utica (@ St John Fisher) L 64-85


Unbeaten (11 teams)
Carnegie Mellon (8-0) vs Juniata 12/31
East Texas Baptist (7-0) @ Hendrix 12/31
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Marietta (11-0) vs Mass-Dartmouth (@ Miami) 12/31

Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Chapman (9-0) @ Whittier 1/3
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Potsdam St 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (10** teams)
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31

Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central 1/2
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Earlham (0-10) @ Franklin 1/3
Illinois Tech* (0-11) @ Chicago 1/3
Mary Washington (0-10) vs Marymount 1/3
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-9) vs Sage 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2014, 08:16:16 AM
My Plattsburgh State Cardinals have their work cut out for them in the next 7 days. They travel to Keene State to take on the undefeated Owls today at 4:00 PM. Then on Tuesday Jan.6th they will host the undefeated Middlebury Panthers in Memorial Hall at 5:30 PM. Middlebury does have a game against Salve Regina on Jan. 2nd but I think they will win that one and be 8-0 when they march into Plattsburgh 

I'm sure hoping the Cardinals can shorten the Undefeated list by 2 more names but it will be a tough job. Still, it's not often you get to play two undefeated teams back to back this far into the season. 

Both games will feature a webcast. Here's the links to each game in case anyone wants to watch the action. Both games should be tightly contested throughout.

Plattsburgh State at Keene State:   http://portal.stretchinternet.com/keene/


Middlebury at Plattsburgh State:    http://nsnsports.net/colleges/plattsburgh-state/
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2014, 06:24:25 PM
One down, one to go for the magicman, as Plattsburgh St. knocks Keene St. from the unbeaten ranks, 99-94.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 01, 2015, 03:53:36 AM
The countdown has begun on both lists... just 10 teams on each now.

Carnegie Mellon (8-0) vs Juniata W 55-45
East Texas Baptist (7-0) @ Hendrix W 74-67
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St L 94-99
Marietta (11-0) vs Mass-Dartmouth (@ Miami) W 83-63

Crown (0-8) @ Concordia-Moorhead L 58-86


Unbeaten (10 teams)
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2

Carnegie Mellon (9-0) vs Heidelberg 1/3
Chapman (9-0) @ Whittier 1/3
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
East Texas Baptist (8-0) @ Concordia (TX) 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Potsdam St 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3

Marietta (12-0) @ Ohio Northern 1/10
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (10** teams)
Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central 1/2

Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Earlham (0-10) @ Franklin 1/3
Illinois Tech* (0-11) @ Chicago 1/3
Mary Washington (0-10) vs Marymount 1/3
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-9) vs Sage 1/3

Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Crown (0-9) vs St Mary's (MN) 1/5
Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2015, 06:15:52 PM
Wow, I didn't realize until now that UMW and Keystone are winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 03, 2015, 06:00:26 AM
Not much news last night... both teams comfortably stay on their lists. Busy day today though as 13 of the remaining 20 teams are in action.

Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina W 94-66

Bethany Lutheran (0-9) @ Central L 45-80


Unbeaten (10 teams)
Carnegie Mellon (9-0) vs Heidelberg 1/3
Chapman (9-0) @ Whittier 1/3
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
East Texas Baptist (8-0) @ Concordia (TX) 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Hilbert (7-0) @ Potsdam St 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3

Middlebury (8-0) @ Plattsburgh St 1/6
Marietta (12-0) @ Ohio Northern 1/10
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (10** teams)
Bethany Lutheran (0-10) @ Coe 1/3
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Earlham (0-10) @ Franklin 1/3
Illinois Tech* (0-11) @ Chicago 1/3
Mary Washington (0-10) vs Marymount 1/3
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-9) vs Sage 1/3

Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Crown (0-9) vs St Mary's (MN) 1/5
Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 04, 2015, 02:16:25 AM
F&M wins the battle of unbeatens while Hilbert also falls leaving just 6 teams.

Franklin & Marshall (10-0) vs Richard Stockton W 71-63
Hilbert (8-0) vs Nazareth L 63-70
Richard Stockton (11-0) @ Franklin & Marshall L 63-71



Unbeaten (6 teams)
Chapman (10-0) @ Occidental 1/6
Cortland St (8-0) vs New Paltz St 1/6
Middlebury (8-0) @ Plattsburgh St 1/6
Franklin & Marshall (11-0) @ Swarthmore 1/7
Marietta (12-0) @ Ohio Northern 1/10
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (8** teams)
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5
Cairn (0-8) @ Lancaster Bible 1/5
Crown (0-9) vs St Mary's (MN) 1/5

Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6
Earlham (0-11) vs Rose-Hulman 1/7
Illinois Tech* (0-12) @ Wabash 1/7
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Bethany Lutheran (0-11) vs Martin Luther 1/10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2015, 11:04:29 PM

Cairn barely pulled out the road loss at Lancaster Bible.  A real close one.  I always thought Keystone was better than Cairn, but if they play like they did tonight, Cairn might be one coming off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
We somehow let the second-chance undefeated pool go by the wayside.  There were about 8 picks or so, the only ones that matter still are:

ronk - WashU
7 - Marietta
Gleich - F&M
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2015, 08:02:23 AM
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini L 60-97
Cairn (0-8) @ Lancaster Bible L 58-61
Crown (0-9) vs St Mary's (MN) L 64-81



Unbeaten (6 teams)
Chapman (10-0) @ Occidental 1/6
Cortland St (8-0) vs New Paltz St 1/6
Middlebury (8-0) @ Plattsburgh St 1/6

Franklin & Marshall (11-0) @ Swarthmore 1/7
Marietta (12-0) @ Ohio Northern 1/10
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (8** teams)
Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson 1/6

Baptist Bible (0-9) @ Gwynedd-Mercy 1/7
Cairn (0-9) vs Keystone 1/7
Crown (0-10) vs Carleton 1/7
Earlham (0-11) vs Rose-Hulman 1/7
Illinois Tech* (0-12) @ Wabash 1/7
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7
Bethany Lutheran (0-11) vs Martin Luther 1/10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 06, 2015, 11:47:08 AM
Someone will fall from the winless list on 1/7; The "great CSAC matchup".  ;D Keystone (0-8) travels to Cairn (0-9).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 06, 2015, 12:19:34 PM
Bryn Athyn (winless) hosts Wilson (winless against D3) tonight.  Someone will get their first win as an D3 team against a D3 team tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 06, 2015, 10:22:42 PM
It seems that the Wilson and Bryn Athyn game is unknown. Live stats is locked at 1:11 with Wilson up 66-64. So who remains winless. Both of them? :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 06, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
Wilson falls off the winless list with a victory over Bryn Athyn 72-66. Bryn Athyn stays on it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 07, 2015, 09:55:43 AM
Chapman (10-0) @ Occidental W 99-68
Cortland St (8-0) vs New Paltz St L 73-78
Middlebury (8-0) @ Plattsburgh St W 63-53

Bryn Athyn* (0-8) vs Wilson L 66-72



Unbeaten (5 teams)
Franklin & Marshall (11-0) @ Swarthmore 1/7

Middlebury (9-0) @ Bates 1/9
Chapman (11-0) vs Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 1/10
Marietta (12-0) @ Ohio Northern 1/10
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (8** teams)
Baptist Bible (0-9) @ Gwynedd-Mercy 1/7
Cairn (0-9) vs Keystone 1/7
Crown (0-10) vs Carleton 1/7
Earlham (0-11) vs Rose-Hulman 1/7
Illinois Tech* (0-12) @ Wabash 1/7
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn 1/7

Bryn Athyn* (0-9) @ Gallaudet 1/8
Bethany Lutheran (0-11) vs Martin Luther 1/10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 07, 2015, 10:59:01 AM
I went to the Bryn Athyn/Wilson game last night for a piece I'm doing on new basketball programs. These two are extremely new since Wilson didn't have men's athletics before this year and Bryn Athyn had very few athletic teams until last year.

Watching the game from behind the benches, I was reminded that, regardless of records, the kids on these teams are faster, stronger, better athletes than I ever was. Maybe not a high bar but it good reminder for my ego. :)

Bryn Athyn also has a pretty fully formed athletic department despite its youth. The Field House is nice, the men's basketball team's roster is full and the College appears to have made a substantial investment to get athletic teams up and running. The school's website is well done, they have video streaming and had a small but engaged crowd, even though I assume the school is on break.

I'll have a fuller report early next week, but there's hope for Bryn Athyn, even if the record shows otherwise for now.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2015, 09:52:04 PM
Keystone falls off the winless list with an 80-67 victory over Cairn(who remains winless at 0-10 with Baptist Bible(0-10)). BBC fell to Gwynedd Mercy tonight 80-58.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 08, 2015, 09:05:58 AM
Franklin & Marshall (11-0) @ Swarthmore W 83-65

Baptist Bible (0-9) @ Gwynedd-Mercy L 58-80
Cairn (0-9) vs Keystone L 67-80
Crown (0-10) vs Carleton L 55-80
Earlham (0-11) vs Rose-Hulman L 57-80
Illinois Tech* (0-12) @ Wabash L 25-71
Keystone (0-8) @ Cairn W 80-67



Unbeaten (5 teams)
Middlebury (9-0) @ Bates 1/9
Chapman (11-0) vs Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 1/10
Franklin & Marshall (12-0) vs Washington College 1/10
Marietta (12-0) @ Ohio Northern 1/10
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (7** teams)
Bryn Athyn* (0-9) @ Gallaudet 1/8

Baptist Bible (0-10) vs Centenary (NJ) 1/10
Bethany Lutheran (0-11) vs Martin Luther 1/10
Cairn (0-10) @ Cabrini 1/10
Crown (0-11) @ Minnesota-Morris 1/10
Earlham (0-12) vs Mount St Joseph 1/10
Illinois Tech* (0-13) vs Northland International 1/10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 09, 2015, 09:07:54 PM
Just two games in two days and both come off their respective lists. Everyone remaining in action on Saturday
Middlebury (9-0) @ Bates L 53-57

Bryn Athyn* (0-9) @ Gallaudet W 62-56


Unbeaten (4 teams)
Chapman (11-0) vs Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 1/10
Franklin & Marshall (12-0) vs Washington College 1/10
Marietta (12-0) @ Ohio Northern 1/10
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago 1/10



Winless (6* teams)
Baptist Bible (0-10) vs Centenary (NJ) 1/10
Bethany Lutheran (0-11) vs Martin Luther 1/10
Cairn (0-10) @ Cabrini 1/10
Crown (0-11) @ Minnesota-Morris 1/10
Earlham (0-12) vs Mount St Joseph 1/10
Illinois Tech* (0-13) vs Northland International 1/10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 10, 2015, 11:18:13 PM
Chapman (11-0) vs Claremont-Mudd-Scripps W 73-68
Franklin & Marshall (12-0) vs Washington College W 88-80
Marietta (12-0) @ Ohio Northern W 72-62
WashU (11-0) @ Chicago L 43-63

Baptist Bible (0-10) vs Centenary (NJ) L 38-63
Bethany Lutheran (0-11) vs Martin Luther W 66-62
Cairn (0-10) @ Cabrini L 69-83
Crown (0-11) @ Minnesota-Morris L 56-83
Earlham (0-12) vs Mount St Joseph L 60-79
Illinois Tech* (0-13) vs Northland International W 60-59



Unbeaten (3 teams)
Chapman (12-0) vs Pomona-Pitzer 1/13
Franklin & Marshall (13-0) vs Muhlenberg 1/13
Marietta (13-0) vs Capital 1/14

Winless (4 teams)
Baptist Bible (0-11) vs Neumann 1/12
Cairn (0-11) @ Rosemont 1/12
Earlham (0-13) @ Transylvania 1/14
Crown (0-12) @ Martin Luther 1/16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 12, 2015, 07:35:54 PM
Bryn Athyn and Wilson aren't on this list anymore, but they got more attention here than anywhere else. So here's the link to our story on their program building efforts.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/01/selling-the-vision
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2015, 01:18:38 AM
Chapman (12-0) vs Pomona-Pitzer W 58-56
Franklin & Marshall (13-0) vs Muhlenberg W 85-57

Baptist Bible (0-11) vs Neumann L 56-92
Cairn (0-11) @ Rosemont L 48-67


Unbeaten (3 teams)
Marietta (13-0) vs Capital 1/14
Chapman (13-0) @ Caltech 1/17
Franklin & Marshall (14-0) @ McDaniel 1/17

Winless (4 teams)
Baptist Bible (0-12) @ Keystone 1/14
Cairn (0-12) vs Immaculata 1/14
Earlham (0-13) @ Transylvania 1/14
Crown (0-12) @ Martin Luther 1/16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on January 14, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 05, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
We somehow let the second-chance undefeated pool go by the wayside.  There were about 8 picks or so, the only ones that matter still are:

ronk - WashU
7 - Marietta
Gleich - F&M

WOW!  So I won the regular season one and I'm one of 2 still alive for the "second-chance" one??
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 15, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Cairn drops from the winless list with an upset of Immaculata 57-54. Now I never saw that coming.  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 15, 2015, 02:46:06 AM
Marietta (13-0) vs Capital W 80-56

Baptist Bible (0-12) @ Keystone L 73-90
Cairn (0-12) vs Immaculata W 57-54
Earlham (0-13) @ Transylvania L 64-77


Unbeaten (3 teams)
Chapman (13-0) @ Caltech 1/17
Franklin & Marshall (14-0) @ McDaniel 1/17
Marietta (14-0) @ Otterbein 1/17

Winless (3 teams)
Crown (0-12) @ Martin Luther 1/16
Earlham (0-14) @ Anderson 1/17
Baptist Bible (0-13) @ Rosemont 1/19


I went through the conference pages and looked at any team that was winless or unbeaten in conference to see if anyone qualified for these lists. I tried my best to sort out results with provisional teams but as hard as it is to believe I'm not infallible :o. Let me know if there's anything I missed.
The following three teams have no wins over full D3 members but do have wins over exploratory members.
Penn St-Berks has 2 wins, Bryn Athyn and Penn College
Valley Forge's only D3 win is Bryn Athyn
Wilson has 3 wins, 1 non D3, Bryn Athyn, and Penn College

Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (5** teams)
Fredonia St (1-8) @ Geneseo St 1/16 (win: Pitt-Titusville)
Maine Maritime (1-11) @ New England College 1/16 (win: Maine-Augusta)
Sarah Lawrence* (1-12) vs SUNY-Maritime 1/17 (win: Pratt)
Washington & Jefferson (1-14) @ Bethany 1/17 (win: Penn St-DuBois)
Illinois Tech* (1-13) @ Aurora 1/30 (win: Northland International)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2015, 06:00:02 PM
Nicely done, Grizz!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2015, 09:05:19 PM
Don't look for Crown to come off the winless list any time soon - just before the half, they trial 1-10 Martin Luther by 20!  (I've watched most of the first half - it is quite understandable why these teams were a combined 1-22 coming into the game! :P  It will be quite a shock to the system to switch to Emory @ WashU at the half!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2015, 10:46:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2015, 09:05:19 PM
Don't look for Crown to come off the winless list any time soon - just before the half, they trial 1-10 Martin Luther by 20!  (I've watched most of the first half - it is quite understandable why these teams were a combined 1-22 coming into the game! :P It will be quite a shock to the system to switch to Emory @ WashU at the half!)

Yep, having watched quite a bit of both games, either WashU or Emory would beat Martin Luther by 40+, and would beat Crown by any score the winning coach found decent. :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on January 18, 2015, 01:31:17 AM
So F&M loses by 1 to McDaniel so I won the second chance undefeated pool again  8-). Chapman & Marietta the last 2 unbeaten left.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 18, 2015, 02:35:37 AM
Chapman (13-0) @ Caltech W 67-58
Franklin & Marshall (14-0) @ McDaniel L 58-59
Marietta (14-0) @ Otterbein W 105-66

Crown (0-12) @ Martin Luther L 56-73; @ Bethany Lutheran L 64-68
Earlham (0-14) @ Anderson L 74-94


Unbeaten (2 teams)
Chapman (14-0) @ La Verne 1/20
Marietta (15-0) vs Mount Union 1/21

Winless (3 teams)
Baptist Bible (0-13) @ Rosemont 1/19
Earlham (0-15) @ Defiance 1/21
Crown (0-14) vs St Scholastica 1/23




Fredonia St (1-8) @ Geneseo St L 71-80; @ Brockport St L 73-84
Maine Maritime (1-11) @ New England College L 67-81; @ Colby-Sawyer L 51-78
Sarah Lawrence* (1-12) vs SUNY-Maritime L 62-65
Washington & Jefferson (1-14) @ Bethany L 69-78


Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (5** teams)
Fredonia St (1-10) vs Buffalo St 1/20
Maine Maritime (1-13) @ Colby 1/20
Washington & Jefferson (1-15) vs Westminster (PA) 1/21
Sarah Lawrence* (1-13) vs Mount St Vincent 1/24
Illinois Tech* (1-13) @ Aurora 1/30
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 22, 2015, 12:24:29 AM
Cairn came off the winless list just a few days ago.  Tonite, Baptist Bible edged them, 58-56, to come off the list themselves.  Cairn and Baptist Bible are a combined 2-26.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2015, 01:15:14 AM
Cairn got off the list by beating Immaculata, who had been in first place in that conference.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2015, 07:03:25 AM
Chapman (14-0) @ La Verne W 72-52
Marietta (15-0) vs Mount Union W 86-82

Baptist Bible (0-13) @ Rosemont L 60-87; @ Cairn W 58-56
Earlham (0-15) @ Defiance L 63-80


Unbeaten (2 teams)
Chapman (15-0) vs Redlands 1/24
Marietta (16-0) vs Heidelberg 1/24

Winless (2 teams)
Crown (0-14) vs St Scholastica 1/23
Earlham (0-16) @ Manchester 1/24


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Fredonia St (1-10) vs Buffalo St L 61-78
Maine Maritime (1-13) @ Colby L 64-86
Washington & Jefferson (1-15) vs Westminster (PA) L 50-92


Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (5** teams)
Fredonia St (1-11) vs New Paltz St 1/23
Maine Maritime (1-14) vs Lyndon St 1/23
Sarah Lawrence* (1-13) vs Mount St Vincent 1/24
Washington & Jefferson (1-15) vs Grove City 1/24
Illinois Tech* (1-13) @ Aurora 1/30
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 24, 2015, 09:58:57 PM
Chapman (15-0) vs Redlands W 83-63
Marietta (16-0) vs Heidelberg W 80-74

Crown (0-14) vs St Scholastica L 62-77; vs Northland W 67-61
Earlham (0-16) @ Manchester L 87-92


Unbeaten (2 teams)
Marietta (17-0) vs Muskingum 1/28
Chapman (16-0) @ Cal Lutheran 1/29

Winless (1 team)
Earlham (0-17) vs Transylvania 1/28


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Fredonia St (1-11) vs New Paltz St L 51-65; vs Oneonta St L 63-66
Maine Maritime (1-14) vs Lyndon St L 60-75; vs Johnson St W 74-62
Sarah Lawrence* (1-13) vs Mount St Vincent L 62-77
Washington & Jefferson (1-15) vs Grove City L 49-68


Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (4** teams)
Fredonia St (1-13) @ Medaille 1/27
Sarah Lawrence* (1-14) vs Yeshiva 1/28
Washington & Jefferson (1-16) @ Thiel 1/28
Illinois Tech* (1-13) @ Aurora 1/30
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 24, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
Earlham is running out of teams they can beat.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 25, 2015, 01:08:56 AM
Quote from: sac on January 24, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
Earlham is running out of teams they can beat.
What has me worried is that Massey has their home game against Franklin on Valentine's Day as their best remaining chance to win (only 26% and probably will drop with Franklin's win over MSJ today). Grizzlies did win the first match 95-82 which is the most points Earlham has scored this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 25, 2015, 01:37:22 AM
Quote from: sac on January 24, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
Earlham is running out of teams they can beat.

Oh, you know it's true...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2015, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 25, 2015, 01:37:22 AM
Quote from: sac on January 24, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
Earlham is running out of teams they can beat.

Oh, you know it's true...
I doubt many will get the joke, but LOL and +1 anyway.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2015, 07:36:52 AM
Not qualifying for the list from day 1, but worthy of mention...

Check out the low level D3 NEAC conference standings.... knock me over!!!

Lancaster Bible leads one half of the standings... after getting beat in the first game of the season by +20 points by Messiah, they have run off 14 straight wins!!!   LANCASTER BIBLE!!! A WIN STREAK OF 14!!!!

And SUNY-Cobleskill leads the other half of the league... only a few years ago they threatened to be the winless team of the year until they pulled out a one point win vs Cazenovia...   

Noticing tidbits like this is one of the things that makes following D#hoops so much fun.... has there been an article about Lancaster Bible on these pages?   If not, there should be...  who goes there?  How did they get so good (granted relatively speaking)?  They were 4-22 2 years ago and had a major turnaround to 22-9 last year..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2015, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 26, 2015, 07:36:52 AM
Not qualifying for the list from day 1, but worthy of mention...

Check out the low level D3 NEAC conference standings.... knock me over!!!

Lancaster Bible leads one half of the standings... after getting beat in the first game of the season by +20 points by Messiah, they have run off 14 straight wins!!!   LANCASTER BIBLE!!! A WIN STREAK OF 14!!!!

And SUNY-Cobleskill leads the other half of the league... only a few years ago they threatened to be the winless team of the year until they pulled out a one point win vs Cazenovia...   

Noticing tidbits like this is one of the things that makes following D#hoops so much fun.... has there been an article about Lancaster Bible on these pages?   If not, there should be...  who goes there?  How did they get so good (granted relatively speaking)?  They were 4-22 2 years ago and had a major turnaround to 22-9 last year..

Lancaster Bible's streak got a mention in the last Around the Nation column by Rob Knox.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2015, 02:01:16 PM
Marietta (17-0) vs Muskingum W 93-77

Earlham (0-17) vs Transylvania L 65-81


Unbeaten (2 teams)
Chapman (16-0) @ Cal Lutheran 1/29
Marietta (18-0) vs Baldwin Wallace 1/31

Winless (1 team)
Earlham (0-18) @ Mount St Joseph 1/31


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Fredonia St (1-13) @ Medaille L 75-85
Sarah Lawrence* (1-14) vs Yeshiva L 57-78
Washington & Jefferson (1-17) @ Thiel L 59-71


Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (4** teams)
Fredonia St (1-14) @ Potsdam St 1/30
Illinois Tech* (1-16) @ Aurora 1/30
Sarah Lawrence* (1-15) @ SUNY-Old Westbury 1/31
Washington & Jefferson (1-18) vs Geneva 2/4
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 30, 2015, 01:11:02 AM
So Marietta is the last team standing. Congrats to the Pioneers!

This is my list of teams that were the last ones to pick up losses in each of the last ten seasons. The date of their first loss is noted in parentheses.

2015: Marietta (TBD)
2014: Cabrini (Feb 15 at Baptist Bible)
2013: WPI (Feb 10 at Springfield)
2012: Mary-Hardin Baylor (Jan 21 at McMurry); MIT (Jan 21 vs. WPI)
2011: Whitworth (Feb 15 at Whitman)
2010: Randolph-Macon (Jan 13 at EMU); Medaille (Jan 13 at Pitt-Bradford)
2009: St. Thomas (March 14 vs. Washington U in the NCAA tournament Elite 8 at Wheaton)
2008: Mass-Dartmouth (Feb 9 vs Keene State)
2007: Amherst (Feb 10 at Trinity, Conn.)
2006: Lawrence (March 10 vs. Illinois Wesleyan, NCAA Tournament Sweet 16)

If anyone has any corrections, please let me know. We'll post this off the front page at some point.

Couple other tidbits:

* Only once in the last 10 years has the last team standing in the regular season been the last team standing in the post season. Amherst won the title in 2007 with two losses (Trinity and Williams in the NESCAC tournament final).

* Randolph-Macon was one of the last two teams standing in 2010. On the down side, RMC lost five more games in the regular season. On the up side, RMC went all the way to the Final Four.

* The most common result for the last team standing is a loss in the NCAA tournament's second round, which happened four times.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: dc_has_been on January 30, 2015, 12:23:02 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 30, 2015, 01:11:02 AM
So Marietta is the last team standing. Congrats to the Pioneers!

This is my list of teams that were the last ones to pick up losses in each of the last ten seasons. The date of their first loss is noted in parentheses.

2015: Marietta (TBD)
2014: Cabrini (Feb 15 at Baptist Bible)
2013: WPI (Feb 10 at Springfield)
2012: Mary-Hardin Baylor (Jan 21 at McMurry); MIT (Jan 21 vs. WPI)
2011: Whitworth (Feb 15 at Whitman)
2010: Randolph-Macon (Jan 13 at EMU); Medaille (Jan 13 at Pitt-Bradford)
2009: St. Thomas (March 14 vs. Washington U in the NCAA tournament Elite 8 at Wheaton)
2008: Mass-Dartmouth (Feb 9 vs Keene State)
2007: Amherst (Feb 10 at Trinity, Conn.)
2006: Lawrence (March 10 vs. Illinois Wesleyan, NCAA Tournament Sweet 16)

If anyone has any corrections, please let me know. We'll post this off the front page at some point.

Couple other tidbits:

* Only once in the last 10 years has the last team standing in the regular season been the last team standing in the post season. Amherst won the title in 2007 with two losses (Trinity and Williams in the NESCAC tournament final).

* Randolph-Macon was one of the last two teams standing in 2010. On the down side, RMC lost five more games in the regular season. On the up side, RMC went all the way to the Final Four.

* The most common result for the last team standing is a loss in the NCAA tournament's second round, which happened four times.

That is some top notch data analysis!   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 02, 2015, 10:31:04 PM
Chapman (16-0) @ Cal Lutheran L 66-69
Marietta (18-0) vs Baldwin Wallace W 84-81

Earlham (0-18) @ Mount St Joseph L 51-83


Unbeaten (1 team)
Marietta (19-0) @ Capital 2/4

Winless (1 team)
Earlham (0-19) @ Rose-Hulman 2/4


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Fredonia St (1-14) @ Potsdam St W 65-57
Illinois Tech* (1-16) @ Aurora L 38-101; vs Maranatha Baptist L 50-72; vs St Mary's (MN) L 45-57
Sarah Lawrence* (1-15) @ SUNY-Old Westbury L 48-85



Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (3** teams)
Washington & Jefferson (1-18) vs Geneva 2/4
Sarah Lawrence* (1-16) vs SUNY-Purchase 2/5
Illinois Tech* (1-19) @ Maranatha Baptist 2/14
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 02, 2015, 10:38:33 PM
What the heck is wrong with W&J? They were .500 last year....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 06, 2015, 07:02:45 PM
Marietta (19-0) @ Capital W 85-73

Earlham (0-19) @ Rose-Hulman L 52-85


Unbeaten (1 team)
Marietta (20-0) vs Wilmington 2/7

Winless (1 team)
Earlham (0-20) @ Hanover 2/7


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Washington & Jefferson (1-18) vs Geneva L 64-69
Sarah Lawrence* (1-16) @ Sage L 48-96; vs SUNY-Purchase L 51-79



Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (3** teams)
Sarah Lawrence* (1-18) @ SUNY-Maritime 2/7
Washington & Jefferson (1-19) @ Waynesburg 2/7
Illinois Tech* (1-19) @ Maranatha Baptist 2/14
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 07, 2015, 10:23:50 PM
Rough day scoring for the winless teams as the three combine for just 118 points... add in IIT's non-D3 result and it's an even 40 points per game

Marietta (20-0) vs Wilmington W 85-75

Earlham (0-20) @ Hanover L 29-76


Unbeaten (1 team)
Marietta (21-0) @ Mount Union 2/11

Winless (1 team)
Earlham (0-21) vs Defiance 2/11


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Sarah Lawrence* (1-18) @ SUNY-Maritime L 51-77
Washington & Jefferson (1-19) @ Waynesburg L 38-83
Illinois Tech* (1-19) @ Northland International L 42-60


Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (3** teams)
Sarah Lawrence* (1-19) vs Mount St Mary 2/11
Washington & Jefferson (1-20) vs St Vincent 2/11
Illinois Tech* (1-20) @ Maranatha Baptist 2/14
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 08, 2015, 12:50:26 AM
29? Was the JV playing?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 11, 2015, 10:26:12 PM
Every team in D3 has now lost to another D3 team this season.

Marietta (21-0) @ Mount Union L 92-102

Earlham (0-21) vs Defiance L 68-90


Unbeaten (0 teams)
Marietta loses 2/11

Winless (1 team)
Earlham (0-22) vs Franklin 2/14


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Sarah Lawrence* (1-19) vs Mount St Mary L 52-75
Washington & Jefferson (1-20) vs St Vincent L 51-100


Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (3** teams)

Illinois Tech* (1-20) @ Maranatha Baptist 2/14
Sarah Lawrence* (1-20) @ Farmingdale St 2/14
Washington & Jefferson (1-21) @ Thomas More 2/14
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2015, 04:22:53 AM
The remaining chances for a win according to Massey
Earlham: vs Franklin 26%; @ Bluffton 3%; vs Anderson 7%

Illinois Tech: @ Maranatha Baptist 1%; @ Carthage 0%; vs Moody Bible 25%; vs Lincoln Christian 29%
Sarah Lawrence: @ Farmingdale St 1%; @ Yeshiva 0%; vs Sage 0%; @ NJIT 0%
Wash & Jeff: @ Thomas More 3%; @ Westminster (PA) 16%; vs Bethany 8%


Two things stand out to me...
1) The highest chance vs a D3 opponent is Earlham against my Grizzlies :-\
2) Sarah Lawrence is going to play at NJIT? The same team that won at Michigan and beat Yale earlier this season?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 14, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
OOF. But both teams need games, I reckon. NJIT, being an independent, played Fisher earlier and has an upcoming game with Maine-Ft. Kent

Again, anyone know what happened to W&J? Injuries? Insurrection?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2015, 02:17:49 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 14, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
OOF. But both teams need games, I reckon. NJIT, being an independent, played Fisher earlier and has an upcoming game with Maine-Ft. Kent

Again, anyone know what happened to W&J? Injuries? Insurrection?

Whiskey Rebellion.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2015, 05:29:19 PM
And my fears have come true... Earlham hits 2 FT with 0.6 left and knocks off Franklin 84-83 :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2015, 11:02:34 PM
Earlham (0-22) vs Franklin W 84-83

Unbeaten (0 teams)
Marietta loses 2/11

Winless (0 teams)
Earlham wins 2/14


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Illinois Tech* (1-20) @ Maranatha Baptist W 60-57
Sarah Lawrence* (1-20) @ Farmingdale St L 34-55
Washington & Jefferson (1-21) @ Thomas More L 42-100


Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (2* teams)
Sarah Lawrence* (1-21) @ Yeshiva 2/17
Washington & Jefferson (1-22) @ Westminster (PA) 2/18

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 19, 2015, 10:24:57 AM
Unbeaten (0 teams)
Marietta loses 2/11

Winless (0 teams)
Earlham wins 2/14


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Sarah Lawrence* (1-21) @ Yeshiva L 58-83
Washington & Jefferson (1-22) @ Westminster (PA) W 61-50


Unbeaten vs D3 (0 teams)
none

Winless vs D3 (1* team)
Sarah Lawrence* (1-22) vs Sage 2/19

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 19, 2015, 11:10:05 AM
Welp, I guess Sarah Lawrence will be the sole member of any list of ours. Congrats???

As long as they schedule teams like Pratt, I doubt if they'll be totally winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 03, 2015, 11:05:54 AM
Like last year, November 1 at midnight United States Eastern time will be the official start of submitting your undefeated and winless teams.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on October 31, 2015, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on August 03, 2015, 11:05:54 AM
Like last year, November 1 at midnight United States Eastern time will be the official start of submitting your undefeated and winless teams.  ;D

So, this is tonight??  Oh $#!t, time to get to work!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 31, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
I still think it would be more fun, more competitive, to not allow duplicate picks...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 31, 2015, 06:49:29 PM
In general, I think we try to avoid that. If someone picks a team that has already been taken, it's known who the 1st person was and who gets the actual win if a "tie" occurs. It's no fun picking a team that's already taken, but we can't make a poster switch.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 31, 2015, 06:51:43 PM
Like last year, November 1 at midnight United States Eastern time will be the official start of submitting your undefeated and winless teams.  ;D

Try to avoid multiple picks of the same team please.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on October 31, 2015, 07:08:37 PM
Quote from: hopefan on October 31, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
I still think it would be more fun, more competitive, to not allow duplicate picks...

The problem is I get out typed by those sly foxes Magicman & Mr. Y, one of whom steals my undefeated team and the other steals my winless team  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on October 31, 2015, 07:47:14 PM
uh oh, I'm 50 seconds off of D3hoops time... must post at 10:59:10 central  time....    :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 12:00:35 AM
The Winners: Virginia Wesleyan Marlins

The Losers: Lesley Lynx.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 12:00:52 AM
undefeated  :   Oswego State
winless   :   Chatham
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 12:02:29 AM
Magic and hopefan, the two crazy old guys, come in 1,2
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2015, 12:06:30 AM
It won't last once they hit the CCIW, but Augustana for undefeated. (hopefully I'll still be alive as the new year starts!)

Currently no idea for winless. (so an opportunity for you, 7express!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
 I'll choose Scranton for undefeated and Wilson for winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2015, 12:19:53 AM
Winless: Cairn
Unbeaten: Eastern Connecticut.  That's gonna be a pretty good team.  Won't finish unbeaten, but if they beat WPI opening night, they should be undefeated heading to Amherst on January 5.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2015, 12:20:39 AM
Probably not a good pick (they seem to be improving), but I guess I'll go with perennial doormat Earlham for winless.

(Sorry, 7express, but you didn't jump in quickly enough.  But I suspect they will have a win before 2016 rolls around. :P)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2015, 12:28:19 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2015, 12:20:39 AM
Probably not a good pick (they seem to be improving), but I guess I'll go with perennial doormat Earlham for winless.

(Sorry, 7express, but you didn't jump in quickly enough.  But I suspect they will have a win before 2016 rolls around. :P)

Huh??  Reading was one of my better subjects, math was the subject I struggled in.   How did I not jump in quickly enough??

Winless: Cairn
Unbeaten: Eastern Connecticut.  That's gonna be a pretty good team.  Won't finish unbeaten, but if they beat WPI opening night, they should be undefeated heading to Amherst on January 5.

Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2015, 12:00:35 AM
The Winners: Virginia Wesleyan Marlins

The Losers: Lesley Lynx.

Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 12:00:52 AM
undefeated  :   Oswego State
winless   :   Chatham

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2015, 12:06:30 AM
It won't last once they hit the CCIW, but Augustana for undefeated. (hopefully I'll still be alive as the new year starts!)

Currently no idea for winless. (so an opportunity for you, 7express!)

Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
I'll choose Scranton for undefeated and Wilson for winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 12:48:46 AM
Give Yipsi the business 7express. He deserves it for not reading before posting.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:05:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 12:00:52 AM
undefeated  :   Oswego State
winless   :   Chatham

I thought long and hard about taking Oswego State, hopefan, and in fact had them typed into my post at one point. I didn't like the fact that they had to open the season at St. Lawrence. The last time that happened in 2011-12, Oswego put together a 26-4 campaign,but lost that first game to the Saints, 66-62. I was also scared of that game against Middlebury in the Rochester tournament on 11-28. The Panthers are an improved team this year and will be a tough out. But I'm rooting for you.  On the negative side Chatham could be a winner. I overlooked them, but you, with all the DIII teams in the world on your spread sheet, including all the new ones, may have found a gem.

And we are 2 crazy old guys for sure. But...but...WE ARE NOT ALONE!!  :D   

Plus K to you.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 01, 2015, 01:22:35 AM
I have to admit, I don't know nearly or half as much about D3 Bball as all you do, but I thought I'd make an attempt at this by making a run through the D3 teams:

Unbeaten: Penn State-Behrend (because why not?)
Winless: Summit (which means that it could come down to 7express and I, lol)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2015, 01:33:55 AM
LOL who/where's Summit??  Did Pat Summit get a school named after her  ;D

Also my pick (Cairn) plays Ronk's pick (Wilson) the opening weekend.  One of us is going to be out early.  Actually I could have both picks knocked out that day.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:35:35 AM
Quote from: pg04 on November 01, 2015, 01:22:35 AM
I have to admit, I don't know nearly or half as much about D3 Bball as all you do, but I thought I'd make an attempt at this by making a run through the D3 teams:

Unbeaten: Penn State-Behrend (because why not?)
Winless: Summit (which means that it could come down to 7express and I, lol)

Dragged you over here, didn't I?     Summit is as good a choice as any for the winless crown and Behrend could go deep as well. I don't believe that above statement that you don't know half as much as we do. I think you should have used one of these   ;) again, at the end of that statement.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:37:04 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 01, 2015, 01:33:55 AM
LOL who/where's Summit??  Did Pat Summit get a school named after her  ;D

Also my pick (Cairn) plays Ronk's pick (Wilson) the opening weekend.  One of us is going to be out early.  Actually I could have both picks knocked out that day.

Formally known as Baptist Bible. Here you go, 7: http://d3hoops.com/teams/Summit/Men/2015-16/index
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 01, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 01, 2015, 01:33:55 AM
LOL who/where's Summit??  Did Pat Summit get a school named after her  ;D

Also my pick (Cairn) plays Ronk's pick (Wilson) the opening weekend.  One of us is going to be out early.  Actually I could have both picks knocked out that day.

Formally Baptist Bible, as Magicman points out 1 second before I post  ;D. One of the reasons I picked them is my head scratching about never having heard of them at first. In the same conference as Cairn, though, so if you do make it past week 1, the next best chance for a win may be Summit :).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2015, 01:39:17 AM
 Summit is not a new team but a new name for the former Baptist Bible who usually had a decent record each year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:41:29 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 01, 2015, 01:33:55 AM
Also my pick (Cairn) plays Ronk's pick (Wilson) the opening weekend.  One of us is going to be out early.  Actually I could have both picks knocked out that day.

One of the reasons I didn't choose either one of those 2 teams. Which bad team will be the worst? Flip a coin to predict the winner/loser of that game. I moved on as soon as I saw that. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:42:16 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2015, 01:39:17 AM
Summit is not a new team but a new name for the former Baptist Bible who usually had a decent record each year.

You and Mr. Ypsi have a lot in common. :o ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:46:47 AM
Baptist Bible  2-23 last year...3-22 in 2011-12....2-22 in 2009-10.   Not so good. Had a winning record back in 2007-08, but it was a weaker conference.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2015, 03:38:02 AM
Undefeated: St John Fisher
Winless: Earlham Maine Maritime

If they can get by Dickinson at Hoopsville (and because I've picked them they won't) I think SJF could last awhile.
Earlham was the last team standing (sitting?) last year I believe. Hopefully my Grizzlies don't end up giving them their first win again ::)
Next option since Earlham was gone... I'll go with a team that likely will play Earlham Dec 20th... Maine Maritime
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2015, 04:04:34 AM
Easy to see list of who's gone so no one accidentally picks a team someone else already took


Undefeated
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman
Oswego St - hopefan
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Scranton - ronk
Eastern Connecticut - 7express
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad

Winless
Lesley - magicman
Chatham - hopefan
Wilson - ronk
Cairn - 7express
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 06:13:35 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:05:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 12:00:52 AM
undefeated  :   Oswego State
winless   :   Chatham

I thought long and hard about taking Oswego State, hopefan, and in fact had them typed into my post at one point. I didn't like the fact that they had to open the season at St. Lawrence. The last time that happened in 2011-12, Oswego put together a 26-4 campaign,but lost that first game to the Saints, 66-62. I was also scared of that game against Middlebury in the Rochester tournament on 11-28. The Panthers are an improved team this year and will be a tough out. But I'm rooting for you.  On the negative side Chatham could be a winner. I overlooked them, but you, with all the DIII teams in the world on your spread sheet, including all the new ones, may have found a gem.

And we are 2 crazy old guys for sure. But...but...WE ARE NOT ALONE!!  :D   

Plus K to you.

Unfortunately, Chatham's first game is against Penn State - New Kensington.. they've been pretty bad, and I figured Chatham would schedule very weak in a first game looking to start with a win...but if we get by that, Chatham has nothing but D3 games the rest of the way... Chatham is located in the Oakland area of Pittsburgh, kind of right across the street from CMU, and down the street from Pitt.. was the ritzy girls school in Pittsburgh when I was there... but later than our friends at Vassar, Sage, and Skidmore, they finally opened the doors to guys...I became aware of them early on as I always follow the President's Conference,  growing up in Suburban Pittsburgh... high school sweetheart went to Grove City (tho I was too shy to let her know I considered her my sweetheart).. ::)

Oswego or one other school.. both had good records last year and lots of people back... was very prepared to go with school B if you beat me to the punch on Oswego... I tried Oswgo a couple of years ago, pretty sure Middlebury took them out early....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2015, 06:53:35 AM
Undefeated: Whitworth
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2015, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:46:47 AM
Baptist Bible  2-23 last year...3-22 in 2011-12....2-22 in 2009-10.   Not so good. Had a winning record back in 2007-08, but it was a weaker conference.

Guess I was thinking of the previous 2 years when they won 16 games over that span.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 06:13:35 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:05:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 12:00:52 AM
undefeated  :   Oswego State
winless   :   Chatham

I thought long and hard about taking Oswego State, hopefan, and in fact had them typed into my post at one point. I didn't like the fact that they had to open the season at St. Lawrence. The last time that happened in 2011-12, Oswego put together a 26-4 campaign,but lost that first game to the Saints, 66-62. I was also scared of that game against Middlebury in the Rochester tournament on 11-28. The Panthers are an improved team this year and will be a tough out. But I'm rooting for you.  On the negative side Chatham could be a winner. I overlooked them, but you, with all the DIII teams in the world on your spread sheet, including all the new ones, may have found a gem.

And we are 2 crazy old guys for sure. But...but...WE ARE NOT ALONE!!  :D   

Plus K to you.

Unfortunately, Chatham's first game is against Penn State - New Kensington.. they've been pretty bad, and I figured Chatham would schedule very weak in a first game looking to start with a win...but if we get by that, Chatham has nothing but D3 games the rest of the way... Chatham is located in the Oakland area of Pittsburgh, kind of right across the street from CMU, and down the street from Pitt.. was the ritzy girls school in Pittsburgh when I was there... but later than our friends at Vassar, Sage, and Skidmore, they finally opened the doors to guys...I became aware of them early on as I always follow the President's Conference,  growing up in Suburban Pittsburgh... high school sweetheart went to Grove City (tho I was too shy to let her know I considered her my sweetheart).. ::)
Oswego or one other school.. both had good records last year and lots of people back... was very prepared to go with school B if you beat me to the punch on Oswego... I tried Oswgo a couple of years ago, pretty sure Middlebury took them out early....

I'm guessing school B was Elmhurst. ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 01, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
I'll take Sarah Lawrence for winless. Hope for undefeated even though they play a brutal November schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2015, 04:01:40 PM
Penthouse: Randolph-Macon
Outhouse: Penn College
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2015, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2015, 04:01:40 PM
Penthouse: Randolph-Macon
Outhouse: Penn College
I don't think Penn College counts because it's still in the provisional pipeline.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2015, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2015, 04:01:40 PM
Penthouse: Randolph-Macon
Outhouse: Penn College
I don't think Penn College counts because it's still in the provisional pipeline.

I think they should be allowed... they play a full D3 conference schedule and 23 D3 games... the schools that shouldn't be allowed are those that have D3 identity but play a significant number of non D3 games ie Maranatha, Nebaska Wez etc.... just my opinion though...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2015, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2015, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2015, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2015, 04:01:40 PM
Penthouse: Randolph-Macon
Outhouse: Penn College
I don't think Penn College counts because it's still in the provisional pipeline.

I think they should be allowed... they play a full D3 conference schedule and 23 D3 games... the schools that shouldn't be allowed are those that have D3 identity but play a significant number of non D3 games ie Maranatha, Nebaska Wez etc.... just my opinion though...

I agree they should be allowed. I looked at them and almost took them but saw that they beat 2 teams in their conference last year and Alfred State, a team they will play in their 3rd game on 12-2.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: wooscotsfan on November 01, 2015, 06:37:37 PM
Undefeated:  Wooster
Winless:  LaRoche
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 01, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2015, 04:01:40 PM
Penthouse: Randolph-Macon
Outhouse: Penn College

Picking Randy-Mac for undefeated is a gutsy move given that they lost so much from last year's team. plus their head coach. Recruiting class looks good, including a D1 transfer (Navy) who is a sophomore. Still, so many unknowns and while the early schedule doesn't have any powerhouses, it's not a cake walk. Hope you're right.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2015, 10:57:28 PM
If people are really hung up on the fact that Penn College is a provisional, I'll change it. But, as hopefan said, the Wildcats are members of a D3 conference and are playing 23 D3 teams. Their provisional status really isn't going to affect the outcome of any of those games.

As for Randy-Mac, y_jack's it's all about the pre-Christmas gamble. If you can survive the contest to that point, anything can happen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2015, 11:13:15 PM
The Commish and his staff reviewed the case for both sides and has voted to allow Penn College.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2015, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2015, 11:13:15 PM
The Commish and his staff reviewed the case for both sides and has voted to allow Penn College.
Your honor... the prosecution will not seek an appeal but may we have clarification on the rules for future reference on provisional schools? ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2015, 01:08:34 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2015, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2015, 11:13:15 PM
The Commish and his staff reviewed the case for both sides and has voted to allow Penn College.
Your honor... the prosecution will not seek an appeal but may we have clarification on the rules for future reference on provisional schools? ;D

No.  ???  >:(  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 02, 2015, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2015, 06:53:35 AM
Undefeated: Whitworth


Did you know Whitworth brought in a freshman who averaged 36ppg in high school?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 02, 2015, 09:09:47 AM


Undefeated:  Whitworth, because I'd rather be right than unique (I think EConn is do pretty well, also)

Winless: Cairn, because I don't care enough to research this and they seem really, really bad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 02, 2015, 10:30:13 AM
Undefeated--Elmhurst
Winless--Martin Luther
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
Undefeated
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman
Oswego St - hopefan
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Scranton - ronk
Eastern Connecticut - 7express
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)
Hope - KnightSlappy
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager
Wooster - wooscotsfan
Elmhurst - augie77

Winless
Lesley - magicman
Chatham - hopefan
Wilson - ronk
Cairn - 7express (1), Hoops Fan (2)
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad
Sarah Lawrence - KnightSlappy
Penn College - Gregory Sager
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Martin Luther - augie77
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 02, 2015, 12:41:47 PM

If I were going out on a limb, I think I'd take Lancaster Bible.  They have a shot after the first weekend.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2015, 01:05:56 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 02, 2015, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2015, 06:53:35 AM
Undefeated: Whitworth


Did you know Whitworth brought in a freshman who averaged 36ppg in high school?

Of course  not! Only thing that concerns me is the early game vs Northwest. I know nothing about them, but they aren't D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 02, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2015, 10:57:28 PM
If people are really hung up on the fact that Penn College is a provisional, I'll change it. But, as hopefan said, the Wildcats are members of a D3 conference and are playing 23 D3 teams. Their provisional status really isn't going to affect the outcome of any of those games.

As for Randy-Mac, y_jack's it's all about the pre-Christmas gamble. If you can survive the contest to that point, anything can happen.

Good luck! I know Mary Washington had a tough year last year but they are coached by the guy who made Cabrini a good team. CNU is usually decent. Lynchburg played well early last season -- not sure what they've got this year. Then an unknown opponent in the Frostburg tourney which could turn out to be Frostburg, who R-MC lost to last year. I'd say you took quite a gamble but I appreciate that you did.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: njf1003 on November 02, 2015, 02:46:09 PM
Undefeated: F&M
Winless: Franciscan
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 02, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
Didn't realize Sarah Lawrence had Pratt right off the bat. Oh well, down with the ship.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 02, 2015, 04:04:24 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 02, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
Didn't realize Sarah Lawrence had Pratt right off the bat. Oh well, down with the ship.

Maybe Pratt had a good recruiting year...?? ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2015, 07:08:34 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2015, 11:13:15 PM
The Commish and his staff reviewed the case for both sides and has voted to allow Penn College.

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Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2015, 01:08:34 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2015, 11:17:12 PM
Your honor... the prosecution will not seek an appeal but may we have clarification on the rules for future reference on provisional schools? ;D

No.  ???  >:(  ;D

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Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 02, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
Didn't realize Sarah Lawrence had Pratt right off the bat. Oh well, down with the ship.

If that's the game that ends up knocking you on your butt in this contest, would it be considered a pratfall? ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 02, 2015, 07:19:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2015, 07:08:34 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 02, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
Didn't realize Sarah Lawrence had Pratt right off the bat. Oh well, down with the ship.

If that's the game that ends up knocking you on your butt in this contest, would it be considered a pratfall? ;)

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 02, 2015, 07:47:43 PM
I'm taking a sabbatical due to work related fun. Not enough time to think or any of this or that. Enjoy, folks!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 02, 2015, 08:04:08 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 02, 2015, 07:47:43 PM
I'm taking a sabbatical due to work related fun. Not enough time to think or any of this or that. Enjoy, folks!

smeds,

You could just take a stab in the dark at 2 teams and just might come up with a winner. Maybe thought isn't required...just plain old luck. Then you could brag about how your "instincts" led you to pick the winner. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 09:42:42 PM
Has anyone pointed out that Summit is just Baptist Bible's new name? No, I didn't think so.

I'll take Ohio Wesleyan in both contests.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2015, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 09:42:42 PM
Has anyone pointed out that Summit is just Baptist Bible's new name? No, I didn't think so.

I'll take Ohio Wesleyan in both contests.



Quote from: magicman on November 01, 2015, 01:37:04 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 01, 2015, 01:33:55 AM
LOL who/where's Summit??  Did Pat Summit get a school named after her  ;D

Also my pick (Cairn) plays Ronk's pick (Wilson) the opening weekend.  One of us is going to be out early.  Actually I could have both picks knocked out that day.

Formally known as Baptist Bible. Here you go, 7: http://d3hoops.com/teams/Summit/Men/2015-16/index
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 10:02:14 PM
Good to see that my sense of humor still goes unrecognized here. Although I'm accustomed to having Chuck be the one not getting my lame jokes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 02, 2015, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 09:42:42 PM
I'll take Ohio Wesleyan in both contests.

Nice to see how strongly you feel about their chances, David.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2015, 11:05:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 10:02:14 PM
Good to see that my sense of humor still goes unrecognized here. Although I'm accustomed to having Chuck be the one not getting my lame jokes.

Chuck is now a virus.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 02, 2015, 11:11:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2015, 11:05:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 10:02:14 PM
Good to see that my sense of humor still goes unrecognized here. Although I'm accustomed to having Chuck be the one not getting my lame jokes.

Chuck is now a virus.

That's why I'm glad he's in Michigan and I'm in Northern New York. The Greek is way too close to him. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2015, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2015, 11:05:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 10:02:14 PM
Good to see that my sense of humor still goes unrecognized here. Although I'm accustomed to having Chuck be the one not getting my lame jokes.

Chuck is now a virus.

Woo Hoo, I've gone viral!! ;D

THAT oughta impress my millennial sons! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2015, 12:47:09 AM
Winless: Dominican
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2015, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 10:02:14 PM
Good to see that my sense of humor still goes unrecognized here. Although I'm accustomed to having Chuck be the one not getting my lame jokes.

Something about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor? Um, never mind, magicman!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 03, 2015, 10:49:21 AM
Winner - St. Thomas
Winless - Crown
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2015, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 03, 2015, 10:49:21 AM
Winner - St. Thomas

vs Emory
@ River Falls
@ Stevens Point

by Dec. 15.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2015, 02:51:19 PM
So far 15 teams selected by 16 people in each

Undefeated
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman
Oswego St - hopefan
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Scranton - ronk
Eastern Connecticut - 7express
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)
Hope - KnightSlappy
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager
Wooster - wooscotsfan
Elmhurst - augie77
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
St Thomas - John Gleich

Winless
Lesley - magicman
Chatham - hopefan
Wilson - ronk
Cairn - 7express (1), Hoops Fan (2)
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad
Sarah Lawrence - KnightSlappy
Penn College - Gregory Sager
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Martin Luther - augie77
Franciscan - njf1003
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Crown - John Gleich
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 03, 2015, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2015, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 10:02:14 PM
Good to see that my sense of humor still goes unrecognized here. Although I'm accustomed to having Chuck be the one not getting my lame jokes.

Something about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor? Um, never mind, magicman!

That wasn't the virus. It wasn't around last year. That was just a lack of knowledge!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 03, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

Nice gesture, but YOU shouldn't have to change... several suggested strongly at the start of the contest that there should not be dupes, but Hoopsfan chose dupes for both his picks... he should have to change...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on November 03, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2015, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 03, 2015, 10:49:21 AM
Winner - St. Thomas

vs Emory
@ River Falls
@ Stevens Point

by Dec. 15.

I had to pick somebody... Besides, SP is overrated  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 03, 2015, 08:35:12 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.
You can have OWU, I'm willing to share.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2015, 09:06:19 PM
You can suggest no dupes all you want. As I said previously,  you can't make people not pick a team that's already taken.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2015, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 03, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

Nice gesture, but YOU shouldn't have to change... several suggested strongly at the start of the contest that there should not be dupes, but Hoopsfan chose dupes for both his picks... he should have to change...

Hey, we all know that Hoops Fan waltzes to the beat of a different orchestra. Heck, even though I'm an inveterate color-inside-the-lines kinda guy, I respect that about him.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2015, 09:34:58 AM
I would rather pick my original team, knowing I was the 1st to pick that potential winner, than to reluctantly change my pick simply because someone else wanted to pick the same team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 04, 2015, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 01, 2015, 01:33:55 AM
LOL who/where's Summit??  Did Pat Summit get a school named after her  ;D

Baptist Bible changed their name to Summit University.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 04, 2015, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 09:42:42 PM
Has anyone pointed out that Summit is just Baptist Bible's new name? No, I didn't think so.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 04, 2015, 11:37:30 AM
Slappy, I love you. Don't ever change (unlike Baptist Bible.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 04, 2015, 11:48:06 AM
Lots of over the head humor here I suppose  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 04, 2015, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

I actually just realized Cairn has Wilson at home to start the season.  I don't want them anymore.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 04, 2015, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 03, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

Nice gesture, but YOU shouldn't have to change... several suggested strongly at the start of the contest that there should not be dupes, but Hoopsfan chose dupes for both his picks... he should have to change...


I don't consider myself "in" the contest.  I merely make my picks.  I don't see any reason why I would pick a team other than the one I actually think will be undefeated longest just to be in a contest.  I think Whitworth may very well enter the tournament undefeated.  I also think Eastern Connecticut is good enough to win all their games.

As for the winless, since Cairn looks to be the favorite in their opener, I'll pick Maine Maritime.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 04, 2015, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 04, 2015, 11:48:06 AM
Lots of over the head humor here I suppose  :P
It's very, very mild; it is to humor what Coors Light is to beer. If it's actual, measurable humor you seek, I recommend Just Bill and the Championship Belt room. Unlikely to ever see a reference to Dear Old Summit U. in there.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 04, 2015, 12:24:24 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 04, 2015, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 04, 2015, 11:48:06 AM
Lots of over the head humor here I suppose  :P
It's very, very mild; it is to humor what Coors Light is to beer. If it's actual, measurable humor you seek, I recommend Just Bill and the Championship Belt room. Unlikely to ever see a reference to Dear Old Summit U. in there.

I'm quite to blame though, as I was the one who picked Summit to begin with!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2015, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 02, 2015, 09:42:42 PM
Has anyone pointed out that Summit is just Baptist Bible's new name? No, I didn't think so.

I'll take Ohio Wesleyan in both contests.

I'll grant myself a Mulligan since I used to play on Summit's grounds way back when it was Venard Maryknoll Seminary.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: northb on November 04, 2015, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 04, 2015, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 03, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

Nice gesture, but YOU shouldn't have to change... several suggested strongly at the start of the contest that there should not be dupes, but Hoopsfan chose dupes for both his picks... he should have to change...


I don't consider myself "in" the contest.  I merely make my picks.  I don't see any reason why I would pick a team other than the one I actually think will be undefeated longest just to be in a contest.  I think Whitworth may very well enter the tournament undefeated.  I also think Eastern Connecticut is good enough to win all their games.

As for the winless, since Cairn looks to be the favorite in their opener, I'll pick Maine Maritime.
In other news, the Celtics just drafted LeBron James
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 05, 2015, 07:48:03 AM
Quote from: northb on November 04, 2015, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 04, 2015, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 03, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

Nice gesture, but YOU shouldn't have to change... several suggested strongly at the start of the contest that there should not be dupes, but Hoopsfan chose dupes for both his picks... he should have to change...

You are aware this page was around LOOOOOONG before there was a contest, right?


I don't consider myself "in" the contest.  I merely make my picks.  I don't see any reason why I would pick a team other than the one I actually think will be undefeated longest just to be in a contest.  I think Whitworth may very well enter the tournament undefeated.  I also think Eastern Connecticut is good enough to win all their games.

As for the winless, since Cairn looks to be the favorite in their opener, I'll pick Maine Maritime.
In other news, the Celtics just drafted LeBron James

This page existed long before there was any contest associated with it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 04, 2015, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 03, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

Nice gesture, but YOU shouldn't have to change... several suggested strongly at the start of the contest that there should not be dupes, but Hoopsfan chose dupes for both his picks... he should have to change...


I don't consider myself "in" the contest.  I merely make my picks.  I don't see any reason why I would pick a team other than the one I actually think will be undefeated longest just to be in a contest.  I think Whitworth may very well enter the tournament undefeated.  I also think Eastern Connecticut is good enough to win all their games.

As for the winless, since Cairn looks to be the favorite in their opener, I'll pick Maine Maritime.

Remember, all you campers out there who are still looking to pick a winless team, that up until three years ago Cairn was called Philadelphia Bible. Say, is anybody aware of any other former Bible colleges that have recently changed their name?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 05, 2015, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 04, 2015, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 03, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

Nice gesture, but YOU shouldn't have to change... several suggested strongly at the start of the contest that there should not be dupes, but Hoopsfan chose dupes for both his picks... he should have to change...


I don't consider myself "in" the contest.  I merely make my picks.  I don't see any reason why I would pick a team other than the one I actually think will be undefeated longest just to be in a contest.  I think Whitworth may very well enter the tournament undefeated.  I also think Eastern Connecticut is good enough to win all their games.

As for the winless, since Cairn looks to be the favorite in their opener, I'll pick Maine Maritime.

Remember, all you campers out there who are still looking to pick a winless team, that up until three years ago Cairn was called Philadelphia Bible. Say, is anybody aware of any other former Bible colleges that have recently changed their name?

Summit from Baptist Bible and Cairn from Philly Bible were mentioned

I'm aware of one other D3 school that used to be a Bible College....   Crown College was St. Paul's Bible... but that was back pretty long ago... changed in early 90's.

Another school that D3's used to play, Washington Bible, went under and was purchased by Lancaster Bible...

Finally, Roanoke Bible, who would play some of the ODAC or USAC schools, changed over to Mid Atlantic Christian....

Curious if I've missed an obvious one...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 05, 2015, 06:04:36 PM
I...uh... oh nevermind
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2015, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 05, 2015, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 04, 2015, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 03, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 03, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Even though I was the first person that selected Cairn, I feel cheated having it picked multiple times so I'll change that with a team TBD.

Nice gesture, but YOU shouldn't have to change... several suggested strongly at the start of the contest that there should not be dupes, but Hoopsfan chose dupes for both his picks... he should have to change...


I don't consider myself "in" the contest.  I merely make my picks.  I don't see any reason why I would pick a team other than the one I actually think will be undefeated longest just to be in a contest.  I think Whitworth may very well enter the tournament undefeated.  I also think Eastern Connecticut is good enough to win all their games.

As for the winless, since Cairn looks to be the favorite in their opener, I'll pick Maine Maritime.

Remember, all you campers out there who are still looking to pick a winless team, that up until three years ago Cairn was called Philadelphia Bible. Say, is anybody aware of any other former Bible colleges that have recently changed their name?

Summit from Baptist Bible and Cairn from Philly Bible were mentioned

I'm aware of one other D3 school that used to be a Bible College....   Crown College was St. Paul's Bible... but that was back pretty long ago... changed in early 90's.

Another school that D3's used to play, Washington Bible, went under and was purchased by Lancaster Bible...

Finally, Roanoke Bible, who would play some of the ODAC or USAC schools, changed over to Mid Atlantic Christian....

Curious if I've missed an obvious one...

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 05, 2015, 06:33:18 PM
Now then... I guess I could say i got the joke, but wanted to continue on with it....  but......  oh well....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hope1 on November 05, 2015, 07:26:37 PM
i  will take  point
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 05, 2015, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2015, 01:39:17 AM
Summit is not a new team but a new name for the former Baptist Bible who usually had a decent record each year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 06, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
I might be out after the first game but I'll take the mighty Badgers of Johnson State for winless.

Marietta for winfull
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2015, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 05, 2015, 07:26:37 PM
i  will take  point
I assume you're going with UWSP for the winless right? ;D


Undefeated
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman
Oswego St - hopefan
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Scranton - ronk
Eastern Connecticut - 7express
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)
Hope - KnightSlappy
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager
Wooster - wooscotsfan
Elmhurst - augie77
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
St Thomas - John Gleich
UW-Stevens Point - hope1
Marietta - sac

Winless
Lesley - magicman
Chatham - hopefan
Wilson - ronk
Cairn - 7express
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2)
Sarah Lawrence - KnightSlappy
Penn College - Gregory Sager
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Martin Luther - augie77
Franciscan - njf1003
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Crown - John Gleich
Johnson St - sac
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 07, 2015, 02:48:53 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2015, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 05, 2015, 07:26:37 PM
i  will take  point
I assume you're going with UWSP for the winless right? ;D

LOl :-) +1k
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 07, 2015, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2015, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 05, 2015, 07:26:37 PM
i  will take  point
I assume you're going with UWSP for the winless right? ;D
Given that "point" is a common synonym for "summit", I assume he means to choose Baptist Bible.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 08, 2015, 03:08:36 AM
David,

For your information, Baptist Bible has changed their name. They are now known as the Summit University Defenders. In the future please try to refer to them by their new moniker. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter, it is sincerely appreciated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 08, 2015, 11:58:23 AM
+1!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2015, 01:59:09 PM
Whitworth is first on the board with a win over LaVerne this morning...at 12:01 tipoff!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2015, 09:40:15 PM
Eastern Connecticut loses 60-50. It's not opening day unless someone has their pick knocked out
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 14, 2015, 12:49:51 AM
Nice knowing you guys this year, good luck!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 14, 2015, 01:00:52 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 14, 2015, 12:49:51 AM
Nice knowing you guys this year, good luck!

You've still got your Cairn Highlanders in the Winless pool, at least until tomorrow night. And if they lose to Wilson they might never win a game all year. I believe Wilson's entire roster from last year is gone. So either they brought in a hell of a recruiting class and cut all the guys that returned this year or none of those guys that could have returned...wanted to. ??? :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 14, 2015, 03:01:34 AM
The Winless Pool Friday night action

Lesley, Summit, and Penn College all lost as expected.


The Undefeated Pool Friday night action

Augustana, Whitworth, Marietta, and Scranton all won.

Eastern Connecticut lost to WPI and 7express waved good bye.

7express gets the "First One Out Prize" which  John Gleich has been holding onto for the past year since IWU lost last Nov. 15th


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 14, 2015, 03:06:57 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 14, 2015, 03:01:34 AM
The Winless Pool Friday night action

Lesley, Summit, and Penn College all lost as expected.


The Undefeated Pool Friday night action

Augustana, Whitworth, Marietta, and Scranton all won.

Eastern Connecticut lost to WPI and 7express waved good bye.

7express gets the "First One Out Prize" which  John Gleich has been holding onto for the past year since IWU lost last Nov. 15th

I think I may have set a record too, but we need the researchers to verify it: I was the "champ" last year I recall as I was the only one standing on December 15 when my pick (Western Connecticut) suffered it's first L, so has the defending champ EVER gone out on opening night??
Edit: Going back and reading through the previous 15 or so pages, there were so many teams left on December 15 (18) that we did a "second chance" unbeaten pool which I won again with Marietta.  So, I think that's safe to say that this is the first time the "second chance" champion also won the regular season champion and got eliminated on opening night the next year.  And it's probably pretty safe to assume that'll probably never happen again for a couple reasons:
1) When are we all going to be so bad at selecting teams to finish unbeaten where there will still be enough left when that happens to do a round 2??
2) What are the odds lightning strikes you twice that year and you won both?? 
3) And then the team you select the next year has to actually play on opening night the next year.  There really weren't a lot of teams playing tonight as most start tomorrow, so have to get lucky on that front as well.
I should go play the lotto tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 14, 2015, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 14, 2015, 03:06:57 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 14, 2015, 03:01:34 AM
The Winless Pool Friday night action

Lesley, Summit, and Penn College all lost as expected.


The Undefeated Pool Friday night action

Augustana, Whitworth, Marietta, and Scranton all won.

Eastern Connecticut lost to WPI and 7express waved good bye.

7express gets the "First One Out Prize" which  John Gleich has been holding onto for the past year since IWU lost last Nov. 15th

I think I may have set a record too, but we need the researchers to verify it: I was the "champ" last year I recall as I was the only one standing on December 15 when my pick (Western Connecticut) suffered it's first L, so has the defending champ EVER gone out on opening night??
Edit: Going back and reading through the previous 15 or so pages, there were so many teams left on December 15 (18) that we did a "second chance" unbeaten pool which I won again with Marietta.  So, I think that's safe to say that this is the first time the "second chance" champion also won the regular season champion and got eliminated on opening night the next year.  And it's probably pretty safe to assume that'll probably never happen again for a couple reasons:
1) When are we all going to be so bad at selecting teams to finish unbeaten where there will still be enough left when that happens to do a round 2??
2) What are the odds lightning strikes you twice that year and you won both?? 
3) And then the team you select the next year has to actually play on opening night the next year.  There really weren't a lot of teams playing tonight as most start tomorrow, so have to get lucky on that front as well.
I should go play the lotto tomorrow.

I was going to mention all those facts about last year but thought, you might have thought, I was rubbing it in. :D

You're right buy a lotto ticket.  Good luck.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 14, 2015, 05:45:26 PM
Now you can really wave goodbye 7express, as your Cairn Highlanders beat the crap out of Wilson 90-65. :o  I think ronk may have a winner with his Wilson pick. And now that Cairn has won that mighty matchup they might not win another game either. :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
It seems like most years the season does not even start until 11-15.  I wonder if 7express is the first to ever be eliminated from BOTH contests by 11-14! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 14, 2015, 08:25:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
It seems like most years the season does not even start until 11-15.  I wonder if 7express is the first to ever be eliminated from BOTH contests by 11-14! ;D

For sure that has to be a first. He's made D3hoops history. Rather amusing history, but history nonetheless. 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 14, 2015, 08:50:31 PM
If your going to be eliminated in the first 48 hours, you may as well go out with a bang and make history in doing so, so at least I got that going for me that no one can take away from me!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 14, 2015, 08:50:31 PM
If your going to be eliminated in the first 48 hours, you may as well go out with a bang and make history in doing so, so at least I got that going for me that no one can take away from me!

I've often felt that way about most really bad situations/seasons.  I was quite disappointed when the 2003 Tigers had 119 losses with three games left, needing only one to tie the 'Amazin's' for the most losses ever, and two to be the VERY worst ever, and went and won the last three games!  Why just be utterly horrible, when you can be HISTORICALLY horrible??!! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 14, 2015, 10:26:14 PM
OWU 80, Otterbein 75

So I'm stlll alive in the unbeaten, but out of the winless competition at the first opportunity. Rats. I was really hoping to go deep in both this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 14, 2015, 11:10:13 PM
This newbie is happy with still being alive, as Summit (FKA Baptist Bible  ;)) loses twice by hefty margins (although one was to higher division Liberty) this weekend. They may not have a chance to win until facing the aforementioned Cairn at home on 1/27. At least I'm hoping.

My undefeated team hasn't played yet so that's a win in and of itself  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 15, 2015, 12:07:17 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 14, 2015, 10:26:14 PM
OWU 80, Otterbein 75

So I'm stlll alive in the unbeaten, but out of the winless competition at the first opportunity. Rats. I was really hoping to go deep in both this year.

Only you David, only you....and maybe Sager. ;)  Plus K
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 15, 2015, 12:18:05 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 14, 2015, 05:45:26 PM
Now you can really wave goodbye 7express, as your Cairn Highlanders beat the crap out of Wilson 90-65. :o  I think ronk may have a winner with his Wilson pick. And now that Cairn has won that mighty matchup they might not win another game either. :D

And I'll quote this from yesterday because now it's official:

Quote from: 7express on November 14, 2015, 12:49:51 AM
Nice knowing you guys this year, good luck!

Now I'm hoping for funny jokes to pass the time until next November 1.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 15, 2015, 12:29:02 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 15, 2015, 12:18:05 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 14, 2015, 05:45:26 PM
Now you can really wave goodbye 7express, as your Cairn Highlanders beat the crap out of Wilson 90-65. :o  I think ronk may have a winner with his Wilson pick. And now that Cairn has won that mighty matchup they might not win another game either. :D

And I'll quote this from yesterday because now it's official:

Quote from: 7express on November 14, 2015, 12:49:51 AM
Nice knowing you guys this year, good luck!

Now I'm hoping for funny jokes to pass the time until next November 1.

You can be the first one to start a 2nd chance league in BOTH POOLS.

Did your Undefeated Self wave goodbye to your Winless Self and get caught in  a space time continuum in mid-wave as your Winless Self was returning that wave goodbye to your Undefeated Self...I think ???   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2015, 12:06:35 PM
Who is monitoring this page?   There are further eliminations to be discussed!!      ;D ;D ;D

Note, if no one is actually Monitoring, I'll offer to do it....   someone tell me to do it, and I will....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 16, 2015, 01:12:18 PM


Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003
Scranton - ronk
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Hope - KnightSlappy
Marietta - sac
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Wooster - wooscotsfan
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Elmhurst - augie77
UW-Stevens Point - hope1
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)

Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley
Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington


Winless
Lesley - magicman
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2)
Johnson St - sac
Wilson - ronk
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Sarah Lawrence - KnightSlappy
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Chatham - hopefan
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Franciscan - njf1003
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77
Crown - John Gleich


Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein



I tried arranging things by region to make searching for scores a bit easier.  For now it looks like you will have to type 'Summit' into the Baptist Bible page link to get their schedule.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2015, 01:32:05 PM

I got to see VA Wes lose in person yesterday - there's a chance I might see St. John Fisher and St. Thomas lose for the first time next weekend.  I wonder how many of these teams I can personally jinx this year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 16, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 16, 2015, 01:32:05 PM

I got to see VA Wes lose in person yesterday - there's a chance I might see St. John Fisher and St. Thomas lose for the first time next weekend.  I wonder how many of these teams I can personally jinx this year?

I'm out and I didn't even know I was out until just now. That's OK I changed my mind but forgot to tell this to the Board.  I decided to be a homer this year and so I'm taking Plattsburgh State. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2015, 09:44:35 PM
Prestidigitator, I should just copy your last post, scratch out "Plattsburgh State", and type in "North Park".
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 17, 2015, 05:54:06 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2015, 09:44:35 PM
Prestidigitator, I should just copy your last post, scratch out "Plattsburgh State", and type in "North Park".

You and I can have our own little contest to see which one of our home town teams can go the longest. We play our first game tonight against Clarkson and then travel to Skidmore on Monday. That one scares me a bit. Your Parkers have a softer non-conference schedule than my Cardinals now that you've got by the Maroons. You probably won't lose until you get into conference play, unless Dubuque roughs you up. Plattsburgh could lose any one of their first 9 games.   

I watched your broadcast the other night of the game between Chicago and North Park. Exciting game to say the least.

Where do you sit in relation to the camera angle that comes in at half court and shows a table (scoring table, I assume) and across the gym way up high is a platform (camera platform?). Are you ever on screen?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 17, 2015, 05:54:06 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2015, 09:44:35 PM
Prestidigitator, I should just copy your last post, scratch out "Plattsburgh State", and type in "North Park".

You and I can have our own little contest to see which one of our home town teams can go the longest. We play our first game tonight against Clarkson and then travel to Skidmore on Monday. That one scares me a bit. Your Parkers have a softer non-conference schedule than my Cardinals now that you've got by the Maroons. You probably won't lose until you get into conference play, unless Dubuque roughs you up.

I'm not sure that I agree with you. Defiance won both the HCAC regular season and the HCAC tourney last year, beat UW-Whitewater and made it to the second round of the dance, and finished 22-7. Baldwin Wallace is always a tough customer, as Bald Wally put together a nice 18-9 campaign a year ago. Trine went 17-9 and played in the MIAA tourney championship game last season; the Thunder are picked to finish second in the MIAA preseason poll, and anytime that somebody breaks through the perennial Hope/Calvin hegemony in that league, it makes you sit up and take notice. Alma went 12-14 last season, but the Scots won seven of their last nine, including wins over Hope and Calvin. They should be pretty good this year, too. Coe went 16-10, and I expect the Kohawks to be a tough out again this season.

So that's five other opponents besides Dubuque that I think are capable of taking down the Vikings. Plus, I've heard that Adrian appears to be much improved, and the Vikings have to travel around the lake to face the Bulldogs on their own floor next week. And it's never a picnic to have to play Albion, either. The Britons historically play some of the toughest defense among midwestern D3 teams, and defense-oriented teams always seem to do a better job of hanging around and making games close than do offensive-minded outfits, even when the other team's got more firepower. Just ask Augustana, which only eked out a four-point win over the Britons last season in Augie's gym.

Really, the only two games that I think will be walkovers for NPU are Illinois Tech and Covenant.

Quote from: magicman on November 17, 2015, 05:54:06 AMPlattsburgh could lose any one of their first 9 games.   

I watched your broadcast the other night of the game between Chicago and North Park. Exciting game to say the least.

Where do you sit in relation to the camera angle that comes in at half court and shows a table (scoring table, I assume) and across the gym way up high is a platform (camera platform?). Are you ever on screen?

Rarely. I don't want to scare away our viewers. ;)

I sit immediately to the right of the broadcast camera, with my back to the south wall of the gym in the top row of the bleachers, so my view is essentially the same as the viewer's. The camera platform across the gym on the north wall is the one used by the team for taping purposes. (They don't really use videotape anymore, but the term persists.) As you surmised, the scorer's table is down below me in the middle of the south bleachers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2015, 09:53:28 PM
hope1's Stevens Point survives a St.Olaf comeback and wins 68-65. No worries, the Pointers only host Knightslappy's Hope this weekend.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 19, 2015, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2015, 09:53:28 PM
hope1's Stevens Point survives a St.Olaf comeback and wins 68-65. No worries, the Pointers only host Knightslappy's Hope this weekend.

I'm trying to survive both pools by picking teams who don't begin play until Nov. 20.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 19, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 17, 2015, 05:54:06 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2015, 09:44:35 PM
Prestidigitator, I should just copy your last post, scratch out "Plattsburgh State", and type in "North Park".

You and I can have our own little contest to see which one of our home town teams can go the longest. We play our first game tonight against Clarkson and then travel to Skidmore on Monday. That one scares me a bit. Your Parkers have a softer non-conference schedule than my Cardinals now that you've got by the Maroons. You probably won't lose until you get into conference play, unless Dubuque roughs you up.

I'm not sure that I agree with you. Trine went 17-9 and played in the MIAA tourney championship game last season; the Thunder are picked to finish second in the MIAA preseason poll, and anytime that somebody breaks through the perennial Hope/Calvin hegemony in that league, it makes you sit up and take notice.

Of all the teams you mentioned that would knock North Park out of the Undefeated Pool, Trine is the only one that mattered.  Sorry Greg. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 20, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
Sarah Lawrence beats Pratt 92-38, so I'm out of the winless running.  :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2015, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 20, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
Sarah Lawrence beats Pratt 92-38, so I'm out of the winless running.  :'(

When a winless nominee wins by 54 points, I assume you forgot to check their schedule!  (Either that, or you didn't get the memo that Pratt shut down their bball program, and just sent the pep band!) ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 21, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2015, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 20, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
Sarah Lawrence beats Pratt 92-38, so I'm out of the winless running.  :'(

When a winless nominee wins by 54 points, I assume you forgot to check their schedule!  (Either that, or you didn't get the memo that Pratt shut down their bball program, and just sent the pep band!) ;D

I had checked their schedule on the Massey Ratings site, but it didn't have the Pratt game pulled in. I discovered the game later and realized I was doomed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2015, 02:41:24 PM

UMPI leads Maine-Farmington at the half.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2015, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2015, 02:41:24 PM

UMPI leads Maine-Farmington at the half.

Interesting news , except no one chose UMPI this year.😜
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2015, 04:43:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2015, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2015, 02:41:24 PM

UMPI leads Maine-Farmington at the half.

Interesting news , except no one chose UMPI this year.😜

Doesn't matter.  They have a permanent place here.  We might as well name the board after them - the UMPI Memorial Undefeated and Winless Watch
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2015, 09:29:21 PM

Did anyone pick Lancaster Bible for undefeated?  They destroyed Franklin & Marshall today, by 28.  There's nobody even close to that good on their schedule the rest of the way.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 21, 2015, 09:47:24 PM
 My undefeated pick(Scranton) lost to Hobart today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2015, 10:05:22 PM
Maine Maritime beats their NY counterparts 65-58
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2015, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2015, 04:43:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2015, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2015, 02:41:24 PM

UMPI leads Maine-Farmington at the half.

Interesting news , except no one chose UMPI this year.😜

Doesn't matter.  They have a permanent place here.  We might as well name the board after them - the UMPI Memorial Undefeated and Winless Watch

Until recently, the Caltech Winless Watch would have been even more appropriate - but they are getting downright decent! ;D  Very good article about them in this week's SI.  (I doubt anyone will EVER even approach their 310 game conference winless streak.)

A great line from the SI article.  Caltech makes NO admissions exceptions for athletes.  A recent highly sought recruit didn't get admitted.  He had to settle for his 'safety school': MIT!! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 22, 2015, 12:56:55 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 21, 2015, 09:29:21 PM

Did anyone pick Lancaster Bible for undefeated?  They destroyed Franklin & Marshall today, by 28.  There's nobody even close to that good on their schedule the rest of the way.

Wait a sec, didn't Lancaster Bible change their name? To Apex, or maybe Apogee? Or was it High Point?  No, wait, Sager just texted me, he says their new name is "Randolph Macon."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2015, 03:05:34 PM
No, it's TGHIJGSTO!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 22, 2015, 05:57:34 PM
Hey whatever their name is is doing very well at losing big in all of their games.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 22, 2015, 06:56:01 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 22, 2015, 05:57:34 PM
Hey whatever their name is is doing very well at losing big in all of their games.  ;D

You can calls me Baptist Bible, or you can calls me Bible Baptist, or you can calls me the Defenders, or you can calls me Summit. But whatever you calls me, don't calls me a winner...yet!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2015, 09:12:51 PM

Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Hope - KnightSlappy
Marietta - sac
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Elmhurst - augie77
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21


Winless
Lesley - magicman
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2)
Johnson St - sac
Wilson - ronk
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Chatham - hopefan
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Franciscan - njf1003
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77
Crown - John Gleich


Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 23, 2015, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2015, 09:12:51 PM

Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Hope - KnightSlappy
Marietta - sac
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Elmhurst - augie77
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21


Winless
Lesley - magicman
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2)
Johnson St - sac
Wilson - ronk
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Chatham - hopefan
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Franciscan - njf1003
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77
Crown - John Gleich


Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21


Fixed it for you hopefan.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2015, 07:59:59 AM
Editors ALWAYS welcome!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on November 23, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
I feel kinda bad for wanting a team to keep losing.  :-\
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 23, 2015, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: pg04 on November 23, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
I feel kinda bad for wanting a team to keep losing.  :-\

We all do....Then human nature takes over and we keep hoping our chosen team loses until we win the contest. Then we hope they win all the rest of their games. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it ;D ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2015, 12:35:05 PM
Quote from: magicman on November 23, 2015, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: pg04 on November 23, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
I feel kinda bad for wanting a team to keep losing.  :-\

We all do....Then human nature takes over and we keep hoping our chosen team loses until we win the contest. Then we hope they win all the rest of their games. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it ;D ::)

I worked out at the same fitness center with a guy who played on the team I chose in the past(Bard); didn't let him know that they were my choice in the winless half of the contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 23, 2015, 04:57:18 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 23, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
I feel kinda bad for wanting a team to keep losing.  :-\
You're getting close to the explanation for why I chose OWU in both halves of this contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2015, 03:39:35 PM
Is it too late to predict a winner?  (I really don't like singling out losing programs...)

If not, then UT-Dallas, currently 2-0.  (I have predicted them in previous seasons.)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 24, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 23, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
I feel kinda bad for wanting a team to keep losing.


See, you're looking at it all wrong.  I don't necessarily want my teams to keep winning or losing, I simply picked the teams I thought would win (or lose) the longest.  All the contest does is measure our predictive abilities.

You can (and should) root for your team to win (or lose) as much as you want; it's not like it'll have any bearing on the outcome.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2015, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2015, 03:39:35 PM
Is it too late to predict a winner?  (I really don't like singling out losing programs...)

If not, then UT-Dallas, currently 2-0.  (I have predicted them in previous seasons.)

I'm sorry, but I think it should be too late to be considered for the Grand Prize...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2015, 05:18:37 PM
Some tough games to get by in the next several days:

For the undefeated:
Oswego St has Middlebury on 11/28
Hope vs Cornerstone  on 11/28
Ohio Wesleyan has Illinois Wesleyan on 11/28
Elmhurst has Benedictine on 11/25

of course there are other games, but those are ones that look tough...

It doesn't appear any of our loser candidates have an obvious win through the weekend...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2015, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2015, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2015, 03:39:35 PM
Is it too late to predict a winner?  (I really don't like singling out losing programs...)

If not, then UT-Dallas, currently 2-0.  (I have predicted them in previous seasons.)

I'm sorry, but I think it should be too late to be considered for the Grand Prize...
LOL!

I will abide by the ruling of judges, but reserve the right to a "See, I told you so!" if UT-Dallas is still standing when the others have lost!   :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on November 24, 2015, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2015, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2015, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2015, 03:39:35 PM
Is it too late to predict a winner?  (I really don't like singling out losing programs...)

If not, then UT-Dallas, currently 2-0.  (I have predicted them in previous seasons.)

I'm sorry, but I think it should be too late to be considered for the Grand Prize...
LOL!

I will abide by the ruling of judges, but reserve the right to a "See, I told you so!" if UT-Dallas is still standing when the others have lost!   :)
...on the understanding that, should the Comets lose before another candidate squad, the chorus of "neener neener!"s will be strictly unofficial.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2015, 07:28:33 AM
Sac with Marietta is out as they lose to St. Vincent, 85-80

Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Hope - KnightSlappy
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Elmhurst - augie77
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24


Winless
Lesley - magicman
Johnson St - sac
Wilson - ronk
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Chatham - hopefan
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Franciscan - njf1003
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77
Crown - John Gleich


Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: booyakasha on November 25, 2015, 01:45:04 PM
when was (if ever) the last undefeated season for a MBB team?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: booyakasha on November 25, 2015, 01:45:30 PM
also when was the last winless season?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2015, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: booyakasha on November 25, 2015, 01:45:04 PM
when was (if ever) the last undefeated season for a MBB team?

on Jan 30, 2015, Gordon Mann made a post showing there had been no undefeated teams back from 2015 through 2006.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2015, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: booyakasha on November 25, 2015, 01:45:30 PM
also when was the last winless season?

Principia went winless both in 2011-12, and 2012-13
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 25, 2015, 02:08:55 PM
Franciscan also went 0-24 in 2012, 0-25 in 2013
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on November 25, 2015, 02:11:18 PM
Quotealso when was the last winless season?

I think it was three years ago when three teams finished without a win -- Principia (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Principia/Men/2012-13/index),Franciscan (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Franciscan_(Ohio)/Men/2012-13/index) and Piedmont (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Piedmont/Men/2012-13/index).

Piedmont was a special case. They had to cancel their season seven games in because of lack of players.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2015, 02:13:11 PM
Why oh why didn't somebody schedule a special post season game between Prin and Fran at the end of the 2013 season?? ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 26, 2015, 02:53:23 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 25, 2015, 02:13:11 PM
Why oh why didn't somebody schedule a special post season game between Prin and Fran at the end of the 2013 season?? ::) ::)

Knowing our luck it would've been tied after 40 minutes.....and both teams leave the court!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2015, 08:19:50 AM
Elmhurst and Augie77 are out with a 94-86 loss to Benedictine

Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Hope - KnightSlappy
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25



Winless
Lesley - magicman
Johnson St - sac
Wilson - ronk
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Chatham - hopefan
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Franciscan - njf1003
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77
Crown - John Gleich


Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2015, 03:41:20 PM
Quote from: booyakasha on November 25, 2015, 01:45:04 PM
when was (if ever) the last undefeated season for a MBB team?

There have been three undefeated teams in D3 history:

1985-86 Potsdam State (32-0)
1994-95 UW-Platteville (31-0)
1997-98 UW-Platteville (30-0)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2015, 01:26:02 AM
I'm going through to get the lists for the first time this season... too bad no one had Concordia-Chicago... they'd still be in both contests ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2015, 02:00:30 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2015, 01:26:02 AM
I'm going through to get the lists for the first time this season... too bad no one had Concordia-Chicago... they'd still be in both contests ;D

I was thinking the same... I have instant access, but with 63 undefeated and 68 winless teams, as well as a number of additional teams in the undefeated or winless vs D3 categories, I thought the lists were still a little long... I was going to wait until after the weekend....   but go for it Griz.... Concordia will fall off one of the lists after they play Fontbonne on Saturday!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2015, 02:14:28 AM
Here's what I've come up with. I've tried to include results against provisional D3 teams as non-D3.

Undefeated (64)
Adrian
Albertus Magnus
Albion
Amherst
Anderson
Augsburg
Augustana
Aurora
Austin
Babson
Benedictine
Bethel
Brockport St
Brooklyn
Cairn
Cal Lutheran
Carleton
Carnegie Mellon
Carroll
Central
Chris Newport
Concordia-Chicago
Cortland St
E Texas Baptist
Eastern Nazarene
Geneseo St
Hilbert
Hood
Hope
John Carroll
Juniata
Keene St
Knox
Lancaster Bible
Linfield
Maranatha Baptist
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Monmouth
Montclair St
Northwestern (MN)
NYU
Ohio Wesleyan
Oswego St
Pacific Lutheran
Penn St-Behrend
Penn St-Harrisburg
Plymouth St
Randolph
Salisbury
St John Fisher
St John's
St Mary's (MN)
St Thomas
SUNY-Canton
Susquehanna
Swarthmore
Texas-Dallas
University of the Ozarks
WashU
Whitman
Whitworth
Williams
Wittenberg
WPI

Unbeaten vs D3 (14*)
Buffalo St
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Coe
Hiram
LaGrange
Louisiana College
Maine-Presque Isle
McMurry*
Merchant Marine
Pacific
Sul Ross St
UW-Whitewater
Whittier


Winless (67*****)
Alfred St*
Allegheny
Becker
Belhaven*
Bethany Lutheran
Blackbur
Bryn Athyn*
Buena Vista
Cazenovia
Chatham
Colorado College
Concordia-Chicago
Connecticut College
Crown
Curry
Dominican
Earlham
Edgewood
Elmira
Emmanuel
Farmingdale St
Finlandia
Franciscan (OH)
Franklin
Fredonia St
Gallaudet
Geneva
George Fox
Greensboro
Howard Payne
Hunter
Illinois Tech*
Immaculata
John Jay
Johnson St
Kalamazoo
Kean
Keystone
La Roche
Lesley
Luther
Maine-Farmington
Martin Luther
Northland
Olivet
Penn College*
Penn St-Abington
Penn St-Berks
Potsdam St
Rivier
Rutgers-Camden
Stevenson
Sul Ross St
Summit
SUNY-Cobleskill
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
U of Dallas
UW-Superior
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
Webster
Westminster (MO)
Westminster (PA)
Wheelock
Whittier
Wilson

Winless vs D3 (26***)
Anderson
Bard
Berea*
Bluffton
Cal Lutheran
D'Youville
Eureka
Fontbonne
Greenville
Iowa Wesleyan*
Louisiana College
MacMurray
Marywood
Millsaps
Minnesota-Morris
North Central (MN)
Occidental
Oglethorpe
Pitt-Bradford
Puget Sound
Rhodes
Sarah Lawrence
Spalding
University of the Ozarks
Valley Forge*
Wells

Schools on multiple lists: Anderson, Cal Lutheran, University of the Ozarks (unbeaten and winless vs D3), Concordia-Chicago (unbeaten and winless), Louisiana College and Sul Ross St (unbeaten vs D3 and winless vs D3), Whittier (unbeaten vs D3 and winless)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2015, 02:55:41 AM
Comparing my undefeated list with yours, I missed one (I had a wrong score), you seemed to have missed Texas-Dallas and University of the Ozarks... so correct number of undefeateds should be 64. ;)

Comparing my winless with yours... you list Frostburg St, but they beat Waynesburg on 11/24... the score is not posted on D3hoops yet...   

Comparing undefeated vs D3..  I have Sul Ross, you don't... they lost to St. Thomas Texas, you may have picked it up as a loss to D3 St Thomas...

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2015, 04:03:19 AM
List is corrected. I just looked through each team to get my lists... and a few school sites since Berea doesn't seem to have a D3 page at all while Belhaven and St Joseph's (Brooklyn) don't seem to work.
Still, only 3 mistakes (I'm not counting Frostburg as a mistake since it's D3's fault for not having the score ;)) is not bad for checking 400+ teams by hand ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2015, 07:02:42 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2015, 04:03:19 AM
List is corrected. I just looked through each team to get my lists... and a few school sites since Berea doesn't seem to have a D3 page at all while Belhaven and St Joseph's (Brooklyn) don't seem to work.
Still, only 3 mistakes (I'm not counting Frostburg as a mistake since it's D3's fault for not having the score ;)) is not bad for checking 400+ teams by hand ;D

Good grief... that must have taken A LONG TIME.. the D3provisionals are sticky as to how they are used or not used... in the d3 vs non D3 board, I chose to put the independent provisionals as a non d3 because they play such a light schedule of D3's, but the provisionals that are in conferences are considered D3 because they play full conference schedules.  Consequently, only Berea, Alfred St, Valley Forge, and Illinois Tech are in the non d3 catagory... So because Belhaven is considered D3, their loss to Millsaps moved Millsaps of my winless group all together, while they're on your winless vs D3... either way....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2015, 09:26:53 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2015, 04:03:19 AM
List is corrected. I just looked through each team to get my lists... and a few school sites since Berea doesn't seem to have a D3 page at all while Belhaven and St Joseph's (Brooklyn) don't seem to work.
Still, only 3 mistakes (I'm not counting Frostburg as a mistake since it's D3's fault for not having the score ;)) is not bad for checking 400+ teams by hand ;D

You must be the black box recorder that everyone has been looking for. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 27, 2015, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 27, 2015, 04:03:19 AM
List is corrected. I just looked through each team to get my lists... and a few school sites since Berea doesn't seem to have a D3 page at all while Belhaven and St Joseph's (Brooklyn) don't seem to work.
Still, only 3 mistakes (I'm not counting Frostburg as a mistake since it's D3's fault for not having the score ;)) is not bad for checking 400+ teams by hand ;D

Berea:  http://www.bereaathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2015, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2015, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2015, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2015, 03:39:35 PM
Is it too late to predict a winner?  (I really don't like singling out losing programs...)

If not, then UT-Dallas, currently 2-0.  (I have predicted them in previous seasons.)

I'm sorry, but I think it should be too late to be considered for the Grand Prize...
LOL!

I will abide by the ruling of judges, but reserve the right to a "See, I told you so!" if UT-Dallas is still standing when the others have lost!   :)
...on the understanding that, should the Comets lose before another candidate squad, the chorus of "neener neener!"s will be strictly unofficial.
But only by the contestants whose teams are still in the running...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2015, 09:31:31 PM
Considering they have already won AT IWU and Elmhurst (and at home over Wheaton), and looking at their remaining schedule, I almost wish I could switch to Benedictine! ;D  (I have little doubt that my pick, Augie, would crush them, but Benedictine doesn't face Augie's remaining schedule! ;))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2015, 07:04:18 AM
Knightslappy out of undefeated as Hope loses to Cornerstone

Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28


Winless
Lesley - magicman
Johnson St - sac
Wilson - ronk
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Chatham - hopefan
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Franciscan - njf1003
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77
Crown - John Gleich


Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2015, 02:55:37 AM
Through 11/29, our contestants have done much better in the winless pool (12/16 still in) than in the Undefeated pool (7/17 still in).

hopefan (me) dodged a bullet yesterday when winless pick Chatham lost to previously winless Elmira, 93-88 in OT  :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 30, 2015, 03:40:26 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 30, 2015, 02:55:37 AM
hopefan (me) dodged a bullet yesterday when winless pick Chatham lost to previously winless Elmira, 93-88 in OT  :o :o

hopefan (you) dodged another bullet yesterday when winfull pick Oswego State defeated Rochester 55-54. Lakers gained 1 point lead with 1:21 left to play when they made 1 of 2 free throws to break 54 all tie. Then the  Lakers, with chances to extend lead, missed 2 shots in the final 50 seconds and had to sweat out a final shot by Rochester, that would have given the Yellwjackets the win. ::) ::)  Lucky Lakers, but I'm happy...good for you...good for the 'YAC. ;D 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 30, 2015, 03:54:53 AM
For the undefeated pool... the games Massey has as their toughest remaining

70+% every game
St John Fisher: 12/13 @ SUNY Oneonta (76%); 1/22 @ Hartwick (76%); 1/27 @ Alfred (71%)
60+% every game
Whitworth: 2/20 @ Pac Lutheran (79%); 1/30 @ Lewis & Clark (67%); 12/29 (n) Calvin (61%)
Underdog once
Penn St-Behrend: 1/2 vs Case Western (56%); 1/6 @ Carnegie Mellon (43%); 2 others under 70%
Ohio Wesleyan: 12/2 vs Wooster (59%); 1/16 @ DePauw (58%); 1/27 @ Wooster (40%); 2 others under 70%
St Thomas: 2/13 @ Bethel (61%); 2/17 @ St Olaf (53%); 12/15 @ UW-Stevens Point (38%); 2 others under 70%
Underdog multiple games
Augustana: 12/5 vs UW-Stevens Point (53%); 1/20 @ Illinois Wesleyan (50%); 12/12 @ WashU (48%); 12/2 @ UW-Whitewater (45%); 4 others under 70%
Oswego St: 12/5 @ Buffalo St (52%); 2/19 @ Cortland St (49%); 2/13 @ Plattsburgh St (45%); 2/2 @ Geneseo St (43%); 7 others under 70%
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2015, 06:37:59 AM
Quote from: magicman on November 30, 2015, 03:40:26 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 30, 2015, 02:55:37 AM
hopefan (me) dodged a bullet yesterday when winless pick Chatham lost to previously winless Elmira, 93-88 in OT  :o :o

hopefan (you) dodged another bullet yesterday when winfull pick Oswego State defeated Rochester 55-54. Lakers gained 1 point lead with 1:21 left to play when they made 1 of 2 free throws to break 54 all tie. Then the  Lakers, with chances to extend lead, missed 2 shots in the final 50 seconds and had to sweat out a final shot by Rochester, that would have given the Yellwjackets the win. ::) ::)  Lucky Lakers, but I'm happy...good for you...good for the 'YAC. ;D

Yikes.... didn't even notice that one!!!! :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 30, 2015, 10:04:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2015, 09:31:31 PM
Considering they have already won AT IWU and Elmhurst (and at home over Wheaton), and looking at their remaining schedule, I almost wish I could switch to Benedictine! ;D  (I have little doubt that my pick, Augie, would crush them, but Benedictine doesn't face Augie's remaining schedule! ;))

Augustana did scrimmage with Benedictine on November 6, tieing in the first half and winning by 8 or so in the second half (Per Titan Q).

Ypsi, you beat me to the draw on picking my alma mater for unbeaten, so I settled for Elmhurst.  I'd be happy for you to have Benedictine if I could claim Augustana (despite the long odds of their going unbeaten).   ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 30, 2015, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 29, 2015, 07:04:18 AM
Knightslappy out of undefeated as Hope loses to Cornerstone

I'm not going to be too heartbroken over this.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 30, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
Ok, it's women's and not D3, but...there's an 'interesting' women's team at Great Lakes Christian College in Michigian.

http://shusaints.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151128wey8fq

http://shusaints.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/boxscores/20151128_eyb5.xml

There's a video link but I don't wanna watch it. It could be as bad as Cannibal Holocaust.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 30, 2015, 12:44:13 PM
This is the first year of the Great Lakes Christian women's program.  They have had roster issues, including playing one game with only 5 players available. 

January 30 they play at Calvin College. 

At some point GLC is going to have to make the decision to suspend play, but that's just my personal opinion.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 30, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 30, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
Ok, it's women's and not D3, but...there's an 'interesting' women's team at Great Lakes Christian College in Michigian.

http://shusaints.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151128wey8fq

http://shusaints.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/boxscores/20151128_eyb5.xml

There's a video link but I don't wanna watch it. It could be as bad as Cannibal Holocaust.

That same Great Lakes Christian played a men's soccer game at Calvin this fall.  Calvin is in the D-3 Final Four, and is undefeated (one tie), but has been criticized for their weak schedule (no serious challenger in the MIAA, and the non-conference schedule is worse still).  Never was this more the case that against Great Lakes Christian.  A quick glance at the box score shows that GLCC had exactly 12 players (one reserve), and two of the players were apparently women (Megan and Jade).  But Calvin did squeak by with a 14-0 win and a 35-1 shot differential.


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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2015, 11:07:12 PM

Ronk's out.  Wilson beat someone tonight - PSU-Abingdton, I believe.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 01, 2015, 12:20:08 AM
I have quite the feeling that my team (whatever their name is) will win one of the two games this week. Both opponents are also in the winless, it looks like.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2015, 12:25:49 AM
Quote from: augie77 on November 30, 2015, 10:04:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2015, 09:31:31 PM
Considering they have already won AT IWU and Elmhurst (and at home over Wheaton), and looking at their remaining schedule, I almost wish I could switch to Benedictine! ;D  (I have little doubt that my pick, Augie, would crush them, but Benedictine doesn't face Augie's remaining schedule! ;))

Augustana did scrimmage with Benedictine on November 6, tieing in the first half and winning by 8 or so in the second half (Per Titan Q).

Ypsi, you beat me to the draw on picking my alma mater for unbeaten, so I settled for Elmhurst.  I'd be happy for you to have Benedictine if I could claim Augustana (despite the long odds of their going unbeaten).   ;)

I wouldn't be opposed to the swap, but I suspect many would oppose such a late set of choices. ;)

I doubt Benedictine can go undefeated (even though their two toughest games are already in the rear-view mirror), but the odds that Augie can go undefeated are almost astronomical.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2015, 02:42:39 AM
Quote from: pg04 on December 01, 2015, 12:20:08 AM
I have quite the feeling that my team (whatever their name is) will win one of the two games this week. Both opponents are also in the winless, it looks like.

pg04,

Is that any way to treat your Winless pick. You've just made them the "Rodney Dangerfield" of this board. Talk about no respect. :o

And for what it's worth, "whatever their name is"  will end the week defeated as usual. Have a little faith, man. ::)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2015, 08:46:42 AM
Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28



Ronk is out of winless with Wilson defeating Penn State-Altoona

Winless
Lesley - magicman
Johnson St - sac
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Chatham - hopefan
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Franciscan - njf1003
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77
Crown - John Gleich


Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 01, 2015, 09:10:59 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 01, 2015, 02:42:39 AM
Quote from: pg04 on December 01, 2015, 12:20:08 AM
I have quite the feeling that my team (whatever their name is) will win one of the two games this week. Both opponents are also in the winless, it looks like.

pg04,

Is that any way to treat your Winless pick. You've just made them the "Rodney Dangerfield" of this board. Talk about no respect. :o

And for what it's worth, "whatever their name is"  will end the week defeated as usual. Have a little faith, man. ::)

You're right. They deserve the summit of my respect.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 02, 2015, 12:06:45 AM
Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28



John Gleich is out of winless with Crown defeating Oak Hills Christian

Winless
Lesley - magicman
Johnson St - sac
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04
Chatham - hopefan
LaRoche - wooscotsfan
Franciscan - njf1003
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77

Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 02, 2015, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 02, 2015, 12:06:45 AM
John Gleich is out of winless with Crown defeating Oak Hills Christian

Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1[/s]

111-91 no less! Is that the record for highest point total to get off the schneid?

Btw, I know why we do both.... but this (winless) is the one that I hope ends the soonest, and by a long shot. Not winning isn't fun.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 02, 2015, 09:02:20 PM
The summit of all my fears was reached, as Summit defeated Keystone 87-79. In other news, Keystone would have been a good choice.  ;D

My undefeated pick won, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2015, 08:32:08 AM
CARNAGE in BOTH groups
St John Fisher and FCGrizzliesGrad are out of undefeated with loss to RIT
Undefeated

Oswego St - hopefan
Penn St-Behrend - pg04
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
St Thomas - John Gleich
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad - lost to RIT  12/2



PG04 is out of winless with Summit defeating Keystone
wooscotsfan is out of winless with La Roche defeating Penn State Altoona
njf1003 is out of winless with Franciscan defeating Mount Aloysius


Winless
Lesley - magicman
Johnson St - sac
Penn College - Gregory Sager
Chatham - hopefan
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77

Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2015, 11:29:49 AM
Updated through games on 12/4

Undefeated (31)
Penn St - Behrend
Texas-Dallas
Ozarks
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Brooklyn
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
Albertus Magnus
SUNY-Canton
Juniata
Susquehanna
Plymouth State
Keene State
Carroll
St. Thomas
Bethel
WPI
Amherst
Williams
Ohio Wesleyan
Lancaster Bible
Aurora
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
Oswego State
WashU
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (10)
Albion
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
Maranatha Baptist
Sul Ross State
LaGrange

Winless (35)
Howard Payne
John Jay
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Franklin
Illinois Tech
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Becker
Lesley
Kean
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
SUNY-Cobleskill
Galludet
Bryn Athyn
Penn College
Penn State-Berks
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
Edgewood
Concordia-Chicago
George Fox
Geneva
Chatham
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
SUNY-Maritime
Farmingdale State
Trinity (TX)
Potsdam State
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (11)
North Central (MN)
Minnesota-Morris
Valley Forge
Greenville
Spalding
Louisiana College
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2015, 03:49:01 PM
Hoops fan... I keep a list too, and mine is different, because My list (incorrectly, but with my own reasons) has several schools as non NCAA... taking that into consideration, our lists agree perfectly ... EXCEPT... you missed Crown in the winless against D3...

CROWN me!!!!  and we'll agree 100%...    good work....+1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2015, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 03, 2015, 03:49:01 PM
Hoops fan... I keep a list too, and mine is different, because My list (incorrectly, but with my own reasons) has several schools as non NCAA... taking that into consideration, our lists agree perfectly ... EXCEPT... you missed Crown in the winless against D3...

CROWN me!!!!  and we'll agree 100%...    good work....+1

I added Crown - and took off a few teams who won tonight (Wheelock and Rivier, with Lesley leading).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2015, 09:52:46 PM

Undefeated

Oswego St @ Bufflao St (Fri), @ Fredonia St. (Sat) - hopefan
Penn St-Behrend vs La Roche (Sat) - pg04
Ohio Wesleyan @ Denison (Sat) - David Collinge
Augustana vs Stevens Point  (Sat) - Mr. Ypsi
St Thomas vs Carleton (Sat) - John Gleich
Whitworth vs Lewis and Clark (Fri), vs Linfield (Sat) - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)

Winless
Lesley - currently winning at Newbury, vs Southern Vermont (Sat) - magicman
Johnson St vs New England College (Sat) - sac
Penn College vs Penn St. - Berks (Sat) - Gregory Sager
Chatham @ Washington and Jefferson (Sat) - hopefan
Earlham @ Anderson (Sat) - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican vs Concordia  (WI) (Sat)  - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther vs St. Scholastica (Fri), vs UW-Superior (Sat) - augie77

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2015, 01:20:31 AM
Wow. Lesley up 10 with 6:30 to go and...blows that lead in exactly  1:45 seconds. Newbury wins to keep magicman alive!
 
Almost a bigger shock than the Packers winning! Sorry, not sorry, Lions fans.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2015, 04:53:36 AM
I was shot in the arm as Lesley led Newbury 36-30 at the half. Then I caught a slug in the leg when Lesley went up by 10 at 55-45 with 13:50 left to play. The blood was really flowing from the femoral artery when Lesley was in front by 12 at 65-53, with 9:32 remaining. But then the medics arrived and stopped the bleeding, as Newbury  goes on a 23-6 run to take a 76-71 lead. I was bloodied, bruised, battered, and blasted, but live to fight another day as Newbury takes down my winless Lesley Lynx, 78-76.

It was almost Deja Vu all over again...Last year the Lynx, who were 2-23, won 1 of those games, 67-65, against Newbury on December 4th, nearly a year to the day.       
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2015, 05:59:42 AM
I'll be more than happy to get through my own death-maze this weekend, as my winless Chatham team takes on equally winless W&J, and my undefeated Lakers of Oswego have a very tough road game at Buffalo State... sweatin' blood droplets....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 04, 2015, 07:21:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 04, 2015, 05:59:42 AM
I'll be more than happy to get through my own death-maze this weekend, as my winless Chatham team takes on equally winless W&J, and my undefeated Lakers of Oswego have a very tough road game at Buffalo State... sweatin' blood droplets....

If Buffalo State's leading scorer, Lovell Smith is still sitting, because of an injury he received in the first game of the season, you could be OK. If he's healthy, I think the Lakers go down on Saturday afternoon. Also in your favor is that Buff State has to tangle with a good Cortland team tonight, while Oswego will face the  Fredonia Blue Devils (most likely the 9th or 10th place team at the end of the season.) Check today's Buffalo State box score and that will tell you if Smith is going to play or not against the Lakers. Buffalo State has a lot of talent and depth this year as the rotation is 10 deep, so it wouldn't surprise me if they upset the applecart and win the SUNYAC. Lakers depth in tight games has only 7 or 8 men with double digit minutes. That may be a problem as the season wears on, especially if any injuries come into play. Several players expected to give meaningful minutes this year defected to other SUNYAC schools. 1 transferred to Oneonta and 1 transferred to Cortland.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 05, 2015, 05:15:27 PM
My short stay in this contest is over  :'( . Penn State-Behrend lost to (WHO???) 2-5 La Roche 59-57 at home. My foray into basketball didn't last long.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2015, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 04, 2015, 07:21:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 04, 2015, 05:59:42 AM
I'll be more than happy to get through my own death-maze this weekend, as my winless Chatham team takes on equally winless W&J, and my undefeated Lakers of Oswego have a very tough road game at Buffalo State... sweatin' blood droplets....

If Buffalo State's leading scorer, Lovell Smith is still sitting, because of an injury he received in the first game of the season, you could be OK. If he's healthy, I think the Lakers go down on Saturday afternoon. Also in your favor is that Buff State has to tangle with a good Cortland team tonight, while Oswego will face the  Fredonia Blue Devils (most likely the 9th or 10th place team at the end of the season.) Check today's Buffalo State box score and that will tell you if Smith is going to play or not against the Lakers. Buffalo State has a lot of talent and depth this year as the rotation is 10 deep, so it wouldn't surprise me if they upset the applecart and win the SUNYAC. Lakers depth in tight games has only 7 or 8 men with double digit minutes. That may be a problem as the season wears on, especially if any injuries come into play. Several players expected to give meaningful minutes this year defected to other SUNYAC schools. 1 transferred to Oneonta and 1 transferred to Cortland.

Alas and alack, hopefan, as I stated in the bolded part of my above quote...if Lovell Smith is healthy then I think the Lakers will go down....he was healthy, as he scored 17 points, with 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks and a steal. Down went your Lakers 66-56. Buffalo State was up by 3 at 51-48 when Smith hit a jumper with 2:59 to go. 44 seconds later he tipped in another rebound and lead was suddenly 7 points and Oswego couldn't recover. The only consolation I can offer is my Cardinals are in first place because the Lakers lost.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2015, 08:27:12 PM
Updated through games on 12/5

Undefeated (24)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Brooklyn
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
Albertus Magnus
SUNY-Canton
Juniata
Susquehanna
Plymouth State
Keene State
Carroll
Bethel
Amherst
Ohio Wesleyan
Lancaster Bible
Aurora
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (8)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
Maranatha Baptist
LaGrange

Winless (27)
Howard Payne
John Jay
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Franklin
Illinois Tech
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Lesley
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Galludet
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
Edgewood
George Fox
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
SUNY-Maritime
Farmingdale State
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (7)
Valley Forge
Greenville
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 05, 2015, 09:13:43 PM
Well, I'm done.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2015, 09:19:06 PM
Just bumping and updating:

Undefeated

Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


St Thomas - John Gleich
Oswego St - hopefan
Penn St-Behrend - pg04

Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad - lost to RIT  12/2



Winless

Johnson St - sac
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77
Lesley - magicman


Penn College - Gregory Sager
Chatham - hopefan

Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 05, 2015, 10:02:27 PM
Greek Tragedy and Mr. Ypsi really know their stuff!  :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2015, 10:07:21 PM
THUD... Down goes hopefan  :o :o :o    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Bengalsrule on December 05, 2015, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2015, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 04, 2015, 07:21:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 04, 2015, 05:59:42 AM
I'll be more than happy to get through my own death-maze this weekend, as my winless Chatham team takes on equally winless W&J, and my undefeated Lakers of Oswego have a very tough road game at Buffalo State... sweatin' blood droplets....

If Buffalo State's leading scorer, Lovell Smith is still sitting, because of an injury he received in the first game of the season, you could be OK. If he's healthy, I think the Lakers go down on Saturday afternoon. Also in your favor is that Buff State has to tangle with a good Cortland team tonight, while Oswego will face the  Fredonia Blue Devils (most likely the 9th or 10th place team at the end of the season.) Check today's Buffalo State box score and that will tell you if Smith is going to play or not against the Lakers. Buffalo State has a lot of talent and depth this year as the rotation is 10 deep, so it wouldn't surprise me if they upset the applecart and win the SUNYAC. Lakers depth in tight games has only 7 or 8 men with double digit minutes. That may be a problem as the season wears on, especially if any injuries come into play. Several players expected to give meaningful minutes this year defected to other SUNYAC schools. 1 transferred to Oneonta and 1 transferred to Cortland.

Alas and alack, hopefan, as I stated in the bolded part of my above quote...if Lovell Smith is healthy then I think the Lakers will go down....he was healthy, as he scored 17 points, with 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks and a steal. Down went your Lakers 66-56. Buffalo State was up by 3 at 51-48 when Smith hit a jumper with 2:59 to go. 44 seconds later he tipped in another rebound and lead was suddenly 7 points and Oswego couldn't recover. The only consolation I can offer is my Cardinals are in first place because the Lakers lost.

  He's definitely getting his legs back after sitting out for 2 weeks. To show you what kind of kid Lovelle is, after last nights game,(I've been told) he texted every player and coach and apologized, about an hour afterwards, for letting J.P. Reagan free for the game winner That was Lovelle's man). Lovelle, as did a couple of other players, thought that the game was basically over when Nico scored and didn't get his man quick enough. Class act. I'm proud of him!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2015, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: pg04 on December 05, 2015, 10:02:27 PM
Greek Tragedy and Mr. Ypsi really know their stuff!  :o

Thanks, pg - though I suspect it is more luck than 'know their stuff'! ;D  Still, of 8 teams left in the contests, Greek and I have 4 of them.  A shame none of them face each other.  Not suprising that Augie and Whitworth don't play, but Earlham and Domincan are certainly close enough together to have a meeting. ;) 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 05, 2015, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2015, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: pg04 on December 05, 2015, 10:02:27 PM
Greek Tragedy and Mr. Ypsi really know their stuff!  :o

Thanks, pg - though I suspect it is more luck than 'know their stuff'! ;D  Still, of 8 teams left in the contests, Greek and I have 4 of them.  A shame none of them face each other.  Not suprising that Augie and Whitworth don't play, but Earlham and Domincan are certainly close enough together to have a meeting. ;)
I wanted Earlham this year but you beat me to it... they've got a tough game next Saturday at home against my Grizzlies... that was their first win last season (in February).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2015, 12:10:15 AM
Augie looks completely unbeatable, even in the tough CCIW coming up. I mean, Point and Whitewater are down this year in the WIAAC, but they absolutely crushed both of them. Whitworth survived, being behind at halftime tonight.

Dominican has a 2-pt loss and a 6-pt loss and get winless Edgewood at home this week..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 06, 2015, 12:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2015, 12:10:15 AM
Augie looks completely unbeatable, even in the tough CCIW coming up. I mean, Point and Whitewater are down this year in the WIAAC, but they absolutely crushed both of them. Whitworth survived, being behind at halftime tonight.

Augie, Whitworth, and.....? I think I smell overconfidence.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2015, 01:56:22 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2015, 12:10:15 AM
Augie looks completely unbeatable, even in the tough CCIW coming up. I mean, Point and Whitewater are down this year in the WIAAC, but they absolutely crushed both of them. Whitworth survived, being behind at halftime tonight.

Dominican has a 2-pt loss and a 6-pt loss and get winless Edgewood at home this week..

Maybe, but the CCIW has not had an unbeaten winner since 1973! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2015, 05:08:25 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 06, 2015, 12:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2015, 12:10:15 AM
Augie looks completely unbeatable, even in the tough CCIW coming up. I mean, Point and Whitewater are down this year in the WIAAC, but they absolutely crushed both of them. Whitworth survived, being behind at halftime tonight.

Augie, Whitworth, and.....? I think I smell overconfidence.

Not at all, David. I didn't mention you and Ohio Wesleyan because you weren't being talked about. Both Ypsi and I have teams left in both pools. I also said Whitworth survived, meaning I was less confident of them winning. In addition, I noted Dominican's close wins and their next winless opponent...giving me less hope in that pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2015, 06:48:45 AM
Let's pretty this up to same format as prior...

Penn State Behrend and pg04 are out of undefeated with loss to La Roche
Oswego State and hopefan are out of undefeated with loss to Buffalo State
St. Thomas and John Gleich are out of undefeated with loss to Carleton


Undefeated

Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad - lost to RIT  12/2
Penn St-Behrend - pg04 - lost to La Roche 12/5
Oswego State - hopefan - lost to Buffalo State 12/5
St Thomas - John Gleich - lost to Carleton 12/5



hopefan is out of winless with Chatham defeating Washington and Jefferson
Greg Sager is out of winless with Penn College defeating Wilson


Winless
Lesley - magicman
Johnson St - sac
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77

Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Chatham - hopefan - Won vs Washington and Jefferson 12/5
Penn College - Gregory Sager - Won vs Wilson  12/5


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2015, 09:03:56 AM
Nice work, hopefan +1k
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 06, 2015, 09:06:26 AM
I second that emotion. +K.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2015, 08:32:50 AM
Updated through games on 12/7

Undefeated (23)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Brooklyn
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Juniata
Susquehanna
Plymouth State
Keene State
Carroll
Bethel
Amherst
Ohio Wesleyan
Lancaster Bible
Aurora
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (8)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
Maranatha Baptist
LaGrange

Winless (27)
Howard Payne
John Jay
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Franklin
Illinois Tech
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Lesley
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Galludet
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
Edgewood
George Fox
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
SUNY-Maritime
Farmingdale State
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (7)
Valley Forge
Greenville
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 07:55:57 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 06, 2015, 06:48:45 AM
Greg Sager is out of winless with Penn College defeating Wilson

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jvaULf8mtf0/maxresdefault.jpg)

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2015, 01:56:22 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2015, 12:10:15 AM
Augie looks completely unbeatable, even in the tough CCIW coming up.

Maybe, but the CCIW has not had an unbeaten winner since 1973! :o

It won't have one this year, either. Yeah, Augie is a great team, but nobody runs the table in the CCIW.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 07:55:57 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 06, 2015, 06:48:45 AM
Greg Sager is out of winless with Penn College defeating Wilson

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jvaULf8mtf0/maxresdefault.jpg)

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2015, 01:56:22 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2015, 12:10:15 AM
Augie looks completely unbeatable, even in the tough CCIW coming up.

Maybe, but the CCIW has not had an unbeaten winner since 1973! :o

It won't have one this year, either. Yeah, Augie is a great team, but nobody runs the table in the CCIW.

Yeah, just three years ago IWU made it to 13-0, but I knew we were in for a VERY tough game against a finally healthy NCC.  And, indeed they beat us by 4, then beat us by 10 in the round of 16.  It would not totally shock me if Augie were to pull it off, but it sure would surprise me!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: warriorcat on December 07, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
Fitchburg State knocks off it's second undefeated team in three days.  Both games were on the road

Fitchburg St  91  Albertus Magnus  85 (tonight)

They beat WPI on Saturday.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 09:38:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 08:25:14 PMIt would not totally shock me if Augie were to pull it off, but it sure would surprise me!

Forget it, Chuck. It won't happen. Don't even give it a second thought.

The CCIW has had eighteen D3 Final Four teams and six D3 national championship teams. Not a single one of them got through the CCIW unscathed, including the greatest collective in D3 history -- the threepeat national champion North Park teams of 1977-78, 1978-79, and 1979-80, with their four NBA draftees.

Nobody runs the table in the CCIW. End of discussion.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 09:38:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 08:25:14 PMIt would not totally shock me if Augie were to pull it off, but it sure would surprise me!

Forget it, Chuck. It won't happen. Don't even give it a second thought.

The CCIW has had eighteen D3 Final Four teams and six D3 national championship teams. Not a single one of them got through the CCIW unscathed, including the greatest collective in D3 history -- the threepeat national champion North Park teams of 1977-78, 1978-79, and 1979-80, with their four NBA draftees.

Nobody runs the table in the CCIW. End of discussion.

Probably that is true of the CCIW today (though, as I noted, the Titans came danged close just three years ago).  But after all, you're just a young whipper-snapper.  My senior year, IWU ran the table, and Augie did it for the final time 3 years later.  And, of course, Wheaton was booted out back in the late fifties for going four straight years without a loss.

No doubt the conference is much better today than when I was a lowly student, but Elmhurst is so far not looking as strong as expected, IWU seems to have some shortcomings, etc.  I'll repeat that I would be surprised, but not totally shocked if Augie could pull it off this year.  It does seem strange that NPU could not pull it off, since their incredible run began only 5 years after Augie ran the table - surely the CCIW did not improve in depth THAT much in such a short span of time.  Did those Vikings teams tend to run hot-and-cold, and just fire it up in the clutch?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMProbably that is true of the CCIW today (though, as I noted, the Titans came danged close just three years ago).

No, not probably. That is true. And don't make too big a thing out of how close Wesleyan came three seasons ago; North Central was a better team that year, and the Cardinals did not have a healthy Landon Gamble or Aaron Tiknis the first time that your Titans played them. The CCIW played out true to form when NCC won that fourteenth game.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMBut after all, you're just a young whipper-snapper.  My senior year, IWU ran the table, and Augie did it for the final time 3 years later.  And, of course, Wheaton was booted out back in the late fifties for going four straight years without a loss.

All of which are examples so ancient as to be completely irrelevant. It's not a coincidence that the arrival of D3 in 1974-75 brought an end to undefeated CCIW teams. Everybody had to start playing by the same rules with regard to financial aid from that point onward. And other things have changed since then as well, notably the expansion of D1 and D2 that has made it so much harder to find blue chips hiding in the weeds. That has not only brought down the overall quality of top-end D3 talent, it's also had something of a leveling effect within the CCIW in particular (since the CCIW had one of the greatest sources in the country for those hidden blue chips back in the day, the city of Chicago).

Sorry to pull the ol' "you're a dinosaur" number on you, Chuck, but you really are one. ;) The circumstances are just too radically different now than they were back when Jim Borcherding had 7'0 John Laing and 6'11 Bruce Hamming on his great 1972-73 Augie team.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMNo doubt the conference is much better today than when I was a lowly student, but Elmhurst is so far not looking as strong as expected, IWU seems to have some shortcomings, etc.  I'll repeat that I would be surprised, but not totally shocked if Augie could pull it off this year.

And I'll repeat what I said. Put it out of your mind, because it won't happen.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMIt does seem strange that NPU could not pull it off, since their incredible run began only 5 years after Augie ran the table - surely the CCIW did not improve in depth THAT much in such a short span of time.

It did, and that's a fact. From what I've been told by people who were around CCIW basketball during the entire decade of the '70s, both Millikin and Illinois Wesleyan got much, much better in the intervening years between the '73 Augie team and the North Park threepeat. Of course, both of the downstate teams had lost their big guns (Leon Gobczynski and Jack Sikma) to graduation by the time that the Park began that run, but those Millikin and Illinois Wesleyan teams in the late '70s were still very good. Carthage and Elmhurst had what was at the time rare spasms of competence in the mid to late '70s under Jon Swift and Jon Hawthorne, respectively. (You'll be happy to know that Hawthorne was an IWU grad.) And then there's Augie itself. Augustana made it to the D3 Final Four in '76 and '77 despite finishing second in the CCIW behind the Sikma Titans. And the Augie teams of the late '70s and early '80s were absolutely outstanding. Long-time Augie fans like current AC radio commentator Dan Sand will tell you that the Augie teams at the turn of the decade, led by superstars Bill Rapier and Maxwell Artis, were matched only by the '73 Laing/Hamming team for excellence. The '81 Augie team made it to the national championship game and should've won it, but Potsdam State hit a halfcourt buzzer-beater to send the game into overtime and ended up winning by two.

Ask anybody who was around back then, and they'll tell you that the CCIW improved in terms of depth over the course of the Seventies. The second-best record posted by a CCIW team in '73 was Elmhurst's, and that was a modest 15-8. Augie alone went 19-5, 18-7, and 21-6 during North Park's threepeat.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMDid those Vikings teams tend to run hot-and-cold, and just fire it up in the clutch?

No, not at all. Millikin, Illinois Wesleyan, and (especially) Augustana simply had good teams that were extraordinarily hard to beat in their own buildings, even for Harper, Greer, Thomas & Co.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2015, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMProbably that is true of the CCIW today (though, as I noted, the Titans came danged close just three years ago).

No, not probably. That is true. And don't make too big a thing out of how close Wesleyan came three seasons ago; North Central was a better team that year, and the Cardinals did not have a healthy Landon Gamble or Aaron Tiknis the first time that your Titans played them. The CCIW played out true to form when NCC won that fourteenth game.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMBut after all, you're just a young whipper-snapper.  My senior year, IWU ran the table, and Augie did it for the final time 3 years later.  And, of course, Wheaton was booted out back in the late fifties for going four straight years without a loss.

All of which are examples so ancient as to be completely irrelevant. It's not a coincidence that the arrival of D3 in 1974-75 brought an end to undefeated CCIW teams. Everybody had to start playing by the same rules with regard to financial aid from that point onward. And other things have changed since then as well, notably the expansion of D1 and D2 that has made it so much harder to find blue chips hiding in the weeds. That has not only brought down the overall quality of top-end D3 talent, it's also had something of a leveling effect within the CCIW in particular (since the CCIW had one of the greatest sources in the country for those hidden blue chips back in the day, the city of Chicago).

Sorry to pull the ol' "you're a dinosaur" number on you, Chuck, but you really are one. ;) The circumstances are just too radically different now than they were back when Jim Borcherding had 7'0 John Laing and 6'11 Bruce Hamming on his great 1972-73 Augie team.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMNo doubt the conference is much better today than when I was a lowly student, but Elmhurst is so far not looking as strong as expected, IWU seems to have some shortcomings, etc.  I'll repeat that I would be surprised, but not totally shocked if Augie could pull it off this year.

And I'll repeat what I said. Put it out of your mind, because it won't happen.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMIt does seem strange that NPU could not pull it off, since their incredible run began only 5 years after Augie ran the table - surely the CCIW did not improve in depth THAT much in such a short span of time.

It did, and that's a fact. From what I've been told by people who were around CCIW basketball during the entire decade of the '70s, both Millikin and Illinois Wesleyan got much, much better in the intervening years between the '73 Augie team and the North Park threepeat. Of course, both of the downstate teams had lost their big guns (Leon Gobczynski and Jack Sikma) to graduation by the time that the Park began that run, but those Millikin and Illinois Wesleyan teams in the late '70s were still very good. Carthage and Elmhurst had what was at the time rare spasms of competence in the mid to late '70s under Jon Swift and Jon Hawthorne, respectively. (You'll be happy to know that Hawthorne was an IWU grad.) And then there's Augie itself. Augustana made it to the D3 Final Four in '76 and '77 despite finishing second in the CCIW behind the Sikma Titans. And the Augie teams of the late '70s and early '80s were absolutely outstanding. Long-time Augie fans like current AC radio commentator Dan Sand will tell you that the Augie teams at the turn of the decade, led by superstars Bill Rapier and Maxwell Artis, were matched only by the '73 Laing/Hamming team for excellence. The '81 Augie team made it to the national championship game and should've won it, but Potsdam State hit a halfcourt buzzer-beater to send the game into overtime and ended up winning by two.

Ask anybody who was around back then, and they'll tell you that the CCIW improved in terms of depth over the course of the Seventies. The second-best record posted by a CCIW team in '73 was Elmhurst's, and that was a modest 15-8. Augie alone went 19-5, 18-7, and 21-6 during North Park's threepeat.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2015, 10:11:52 PMDid those Vikings teams tend to run hot-and-cold, and just fire it up in the clutch?

No, not at all. Millikin, Illinois Wesleyan, and (especially) Augustana simply had good teams that were extraordinarily hard to beat in their own buildings, even for Harper, Greer, Thomas & Co.

   I was @ the semifinal loss to Scranton but, 39 years later, that's about all I remember. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2015, 01:42:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
The '81 Augie team made it to the national championship game and should've won it, but Potsdam State hit a halfcourt buzzer-beater to send the game into overtime and ended up winning by two.

Greg,

Thanks for bringing back that memory today, of my alma mater getting that game into overtime on Leroy Witherspoon's buzzer beating half court basket. I still have the tape of that game in the favorites file of my computer and bring it out each season to watch it again. It was one of our finest moments. 8-)  Plus K

The recent struggles of Potsdam State have left me with mostly memories of the good times, because there has not been any good times at Potsdam in over ten years. :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 08, 2015, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
All of which are examples so ancient as to be completely irrelevant.

I think he just called you irrelevant, Mr. Ypsi...


As a reminder, until a few years ago, the CCIW NEVER had a conference tournament either... until it did.

All I know is that the more superlatives you put together, the so much greater bigger huger larger crow you end up eating in the end...  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 08, 2015, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 08, 2015, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
All of which are examples so ancient as to be completely irrelevant.

I think he just called you irrelevant, Mr. Ypsi...

We just put a similar question to a vote in the NCAC room.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
JG, he only implied that I was irrelevant, but he flat-out stated that I was a dinosaur!  I object!!  It was mastodons I had to dodge on the IWU campus, not dinosaurs. ;D

DC, and I am proud of my 'victory', even if I didn't see the poll and get to vote for myself! ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on December 08, 2015, 04:09:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
JG, he only implied that I was irrelevant, but he flat-out stated that I was a dinosaur!  I object!!  It was mastodons I had to dodge on the IWU campus, not dinosaurs. ;D

DC, and I am proud of my 'victory', even if I didn't see the poll and get to vote for myself! ;)

And here I thought the mastodons spent all of their time in suburban Chicago...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2015, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 08, 2015, 02:49:06 PM
All I know is that the more superlatives you put together, the so much greater bigger huger larger crow you end up eating in the end...  ::)

I'm aware of that. But if it ever happened -- which it won't ;)  -- I'd be sharing my heaping platter of Corvus brachyrhynchos with good company, since Bosko Djurickovic makes it a point to mention the CCIW's no-unbeaten-team-since-'73 streak every time that a TV, radio, or print journalist asks him about the league.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2015, 07:54:55 PM
Updated through games on 12/9

Undefeated (20)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Juniata
Susquehanna
Keene State
Carroll
Bethel
Amherst
Ohio Wesleyan
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (22)
Howard Payne
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Franklin
Illinois Tech
Olivet
Lesley
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
George Fox
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (8)
Valley Forge
Greenville
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2015, 09:11:49 PM
Maranatha Baptist getting its first d3 loss tonight - losing 58-15 to Oshkosh, with 15 minutes remaining.  Final score: 89-44.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2015, 10:49:19 AM

Dominican hosting Edgewood tonight.  One of them has to win... I think.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 09, 2015, 01:00:26 PM
I'm definitely worried about this one.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2015, 02:54:56 PM
To refresh our memory:

Undefeated

Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge
Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad - lost to RIT  12/2
Penn St-Behrend - pg04 - lost to La Roche 12/5
Oswego State - hopefan - lost to Buffalo State 12/5
St Thomas - John Gleich - lost to Carleton 12/5



Winless
Lesley - magicman
Johnson St - sac
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77

Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Chatham - hopefan - Won vs Washington and Jefferson 12/5
Penn College - Gregory Sager - Won vs Wilson  12/5

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2015, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 08, 2015, 04:09:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
JG, he only implied that I was irrelevant, but he flat-out stated that I was a dinosaur!  I object!!  It was mastodons I had to dodge on the IWU campus, not dinosaurs. ;D

DC, and I am proud of my 'victory', even if I didn't see the poll and get to vote for myself! ;)

And here I thought the mastodons spent all of their time in suburban Chicago...
Actually the mastodons are over here in Indiana going to IPFW ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2015, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 08, 2015, 04:09:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
JG, he only implied that I was irrelevant, but he flat-out stated that I was a dinosaur!  I object!!  It was mastodons I had to dodge on the IWU campus, not dinosaurs. ;D

DC, and I am proud of my 'victory', even if I didn't see the poll and get to vote for myself! ;)

And here I thought the mastodons spent all of their time in suburban Chicago...
Actually the mastodons are over here in Indiana going to IPFW ;)

Maybe they were woolly mammoths - I always confuse them with mastodons. ;D

And of course mastodons were known to roam a bit - I doubt they all stayed in Fort Wayne! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 09, 2015, 09:36:42 PM
As my Pointers are getting smoked by NCC, my attention, and concern, turns to Dominican's battle with fellow winless Edgewood. Tied game with about 7 to go.

Edit: Dominican sneaks out a loss! 84-78
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2015, 10:08:53 PM
Updated through games on 12/9  (*Indicates teams playing on 12/10)

Undefeated (20)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Juniata
Susquehanna
Keene State
Carroll
Bethel
Amherst*
Ohio Wesleyan
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (22)
Howard Payne
Hunter
Keystone
Curry*
Earlham
Franklin
Illinois Tech
Olivet
Lesley*
Johnson State*
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
George Fox
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (8)
Valley Forge
Greenville
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2015, 12:42:42 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 09, 2015, 10:08:53 PM

We lost a few tonight.

Updated through games on 12/9

Undefeated (20)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Juniata
Susquehanna
Keene State
Carroll
Bethel
Amherst
Ohio Wesleyan
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (22)
Howard Payne
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Franklin
Illinois Tech
Olivet
Lesley
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
George Fox
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (8)
Valley Forge
Greenville
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo
Thank you for putting UT-Dallas at the top of the list.

;)   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2015, 08:32:59 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2015, 12:42:42 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 09, 2015, 10:08:53 PM

We lost a few tonight.

Updated through games on 12/9

Undefeated (20)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Juniata
Susquehanna
Keene State
Carroll
Bethel
Amherst
Ohio Wesleyan
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (22)
Howard Payne
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Franklin
Illinois Tech
Olivet
Lesley
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
George Fox
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (8)
Valley Forge
Greenville
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo
Thank you for putting UT-Dallas at the top of the list.

;)   ;D

The ASC comes first on the d3hoops.com conference list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2015, 12:38:18 PM
Oh shucks!  Something as mundane as alphabetical order?!?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2015, 01:46:58 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  I was going to point out that Howard Payne was also first on their list, but I didn't want to bust Ralph's early morning bubble ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2015, 09:46:17 PM
Updated through games on 12/11

Undefeated (20)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Juniata
Susquehanna
Keene State
Carroll
Bethel
Amherst
Ohio Wesleyan
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (20)
Howard Payne
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Franklin
Olivet
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
George Fox
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
Waynesburg
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (8)
Valley Forge
Greenville
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 10, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
My winless Badgers from Johnson State slipped to defeat by 24 against Castleton State in one of those tight under the collar games  because you have no idea how bad Castleton might be.  Johnson State has a game Saturday with Green Mountain who actually look pretty competent at basketball (everything is relative) this year at 6-2. 

If the Badgers can survive that they and I will be alive until their next game on Jan 5 surely a loss to Colby-Sawyer.  Then its wait for the titanic Jan 8 match-up with likely 0-10 Maine-Farmington.


Badgers!!!  Beavers!!!    Don't miss it!!!!!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on December 12, 2015, 04:53:37 PM
I'm done. Died of a dog bite.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2015, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 12, 2015, 04:53:37 PM
I'm done. Died of a dog bite.

Yeah, those cuddly little Puppies seem to have grown some teeth! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2015, 09:59:13 PM
Updated through games on 12/13

Undefeated (16)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Susquehanna
Carroll
Amherst
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (17)
Howard Payne
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Olivet
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Dominican
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (7)
Valley Forge
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 13, 2015, 01:28:20 AM
My Lesley Lynx dropped out by winning an 83-75 matchup with Mount Ida on December 10th. Never even knew they won. Saw they lost on Saturday and thought I was safe until after the holidays. Went to see how long it would be until they played again and there was this big fat W staring me in the face. I figured they might win a game in their next few contests but didn't think they would beat a 5-3 Mount Ida team. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2015, 01:42:20 PM
Ohio Wesleyan and David Collinge are out of the Undefeated, losing to Hiram

Undefeated

Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad - lost to RIT  12/2
Penn St-Behrend - pg04 - lost to La Roche 12/5
Oswego State - hopefan - lost to Buffalo State 12/5
St Thomas - John Gleich - lost to Carleton 12/5
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge - lost to Hiram on 12/12


Magicman and Lesley are out of the winless, beating Mount Ida

Winless

Johnson St - sac
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Dominican - Greek Tragedy
Martin Luther - augie77

Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Chatham - hopefan - Won vs Washington and Jefferson 12/5
Penn College - Gregory Sager - Won vs Wilson  12/5
Lesley - magicman - won vs Mount Ida 12/10
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2015, 01:55:44 PM
Category......Undefeated... what????....  Swarthmore, SUNY-Canton, Austin

Category... Winless... how the once mighty have fallen.....  Trinity (Texas), Keystone, Oglethorpe
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 14, 2015, 12:23:44 AM
Greek, if we can summon up wins for Johnson St. and Martin Luther, we could have what I would assume would be an unprecedented dual fight to the finish!  6 teams remaining in the two contests, and we've got 4 of 'em. 8-)

Augie's gonna have a much tougher row to hoe with the CCIW (where Sager 'guarantees' that no one goes undefeated ;)) than Whitworth with the NWC, but I have faith in Earlham's ability to lose forever.  (In fact, is it too early to claim Earlham for next season? ::))
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2015, 11:37:18 AM

Knox gave Illinois Tech it's first win the other night - Dominican is up today.  We could be losing another name from the list.

Undefeated Austin also plays tonight, but against a non d3 opponent, so they're on one list or another come tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
I'm already impressed I've made it this far since I took less than 5 minutes to make both picks...and I usually don't even select a winless team because I'm too lazy to look! Trust me, I didn't even look at either team's schedule.

Anyway, another nervous night of watching live stats with my Stars taking on the Prairie Fire. They pulled out a loss against previously winless Edgewood,  so a guy can hope!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 14, 2015, 04:25:40 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2015, 11:37:18 AM

Knox gave Illinois Tech it's first win the other night

As odd as it may sound, I wouldn't be at all surprised if IIT ends the season 8-17 or even 9-16, even though the Scarlet Hawks are currently a mere 1-8. They are not devoid of talent, and they're a much better team now than they were at the start of the season. Plus, their schedule lightens up for them a bit from here on out.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2015, 01:14:22 PMAnyway, another nervous night of watching live stats with my Stars taking on the Prairie Fire. They pulled out a loss against previously winless Edgewood,  so a guy can hope!

I'm rooting hard for my friend Mark White to get off of the schneid. Dominican's not devoid of talent, either, and the Stars have come close a few times. They lost by two to Lawrence (a tied game going into the final minute), and lost by six to both Rockford (a three-point deficit going into the final minute) and to Edgewood (again, a three-point deficit going into the final minute). The stars just have to align properly for Mark's boys, so to speak. ;)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2015, 06:31:50 PM
Yeah. Tech has 3 solid players I've been keeping track of for my one-and-done fantasy league. Mosley Jr, Digiorgio and Rarick have all put up fantasy-worthy numbers.

Dominican's Mayberry has been used by at least one team this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 14, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2015, 11:37:18 AM

Knox gave Illinois Tech it's first win the other night - Dominican is up today.  We could be losing another name from the list.

Undefeated Austin also plays tonight, but against a non d3 opponent, so they're on one list or another come tomorrow.

Paul Quinn College (Dallas, Tx) who doesn't appear to be very good at basketball.  They are NAIA I  and 1-12 on the year, about to be 1-13.  They have 6 and possibly 7 players on the roster.  http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2015&team=426



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2015, 10:15:31 PM

Updated through games on 12/14

Undefeated (16)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Susquehanna
Carroll
Amherst
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (16)
Howard Payne
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Olivet
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (7)
Valley Forge
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Marywood
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 14, 2015, 10:19:01 PM
Dominican picks up their first win of the season, beating Knox 82-74.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2015, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on December 14, 2015, 10:19:01 PM
Dominican picks up their first win of the season, beating Knox 82-74.

The Stars align and I'm out... :-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 15, 2015, 12:37:45 AM
Quote from: sac on December 14, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2015, 11:37:18 AM

Knox gave Illinois Tech it's first win the other night - Dominican is up today.  We could be losing another name from the list.

Undefeated Austin also plays tonight, but against a non d3 opponent, so they're on one list or another come tomorrow.

Paul Quinn College (Dallas, Tx) who doesn't appear to be very good at basketball.  They are NAIA I  and 1-12 on the year, about to be 1-13.  They have 6 and possibly 7 players on the roster.  http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2015&team=426

I bet it was a great one-on-one duel when Paul Quinn beat Philander Smith.

Looks like they've had 13 players take the court at one time or another. Yet, the roster lists just seven, including SIR Patrick Reynolds. As opposed to Sir Patrick Spens.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2015, 07:11:55 AM
Undefeated

Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad - lost to RIT  12/2
Penn St-Behrend - pg04 - lost to La Roche 12/5
Oswego State - hopefan - lost to Buffalo State 12/5
St Thomas - John Gleich - lost to Carleton 12/5
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge - lost to Hiram on 12/12



Greek Tragedy and Dominican are out of the winless, beating Knox

Winless

Johnson St - sac
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi
Martin Luther - augie77

Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Chatham - hopefan - Won vs Washington and Jefferson 12/5
Penn College - Gregory Sager - Won vs Wilson  12/5
Lesley - magicman - won vs Mount Ida 12/10
Dominican - Greek Tragedy - won vs Knox 12/14
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 15, 2015, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2015, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on December 14, 2015, 10:19:01 PM
Dominican picks up their first win of the season, beating Knox 82-74.

The Stars align and I'm out... :-)

Congrats, Mark White & Co.!

Knox College men's basketball: The cure for what ails you.

Quote from: smedindy on December 15, 2015, 12:37:45 AM
I bet it was a great one-on-one duel when Paul Quinn beat Philander Smith.

I've always thought that it was one of the great tragedies of college athletics that Philander Smith College chose not to call its sports teams the Philanderers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 15, 2015, 04:41:39 PM
Now that would be some mascot.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 15, 2015, 05:54:04 PM
LOL!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2015, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 15, 2015, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2015, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on December 14, 2015, 10:19:01 PM
Dominican picks up their first win of the season, beating Knox 82-74.

The Stars align and I'm out... :-)

Congrats, Mark White & Co.!

Knox College men's basketball: The cure for what ails you.

Quote from: smedindy on December 15, 2015, 12:37:45 AM
I bet it was a great one-on-one duel when Paul Quinn beat Philander Smith.

I've always thought that it was one of the great tragedies of college athletics that Philander Smith College chose not to call its sports teams the Philanderers.
I won't touch that one!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2015, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2015, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 15, 2015, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2015, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on December 14, 2015, 10:19:01 PM
Dominican picks up their first win of the season, beating Knox 82-74.

The Stars align and I'm out... :-)

Congrats, Mark White & Co.!

Knox College men's basketball: The cure for what ails you.

Quote from: smedindy on December 15, 2015, 12:37:45 AM
I bet it was a great one-on-one duel when Paul Quinn beat Philander Smith.

I've always thought that it was one of the great tragedies of college athletics that Philander Smith College chose not to call its sports teams the Philanderers.
I won't touch that one!

It took me a couple of years to correctly separate 'goalmascots' ('go alma scots') - I long wondered what the heck 'goal mascots' was supposed to mean.  Now i know - it's the mascot of the Philanderers! :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 15, 2015, 10:03:21 PM
Oddly one of the first hits from a google search for 'Philanderer mascot' is an article about the Amherst student protests over the Lord Jeff mascot.


also these suspects

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbloooo.com%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2F2015%2F03%2Fbizarre-but-real-mascots-40033.jpg&hash=9cbcfd2ffa1c22929fcbeeb25d716e94c1e789fe)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fl.yimg.com%2Fos%2Fen_US%2FSports%2FUSA_Today%2F20150128_jdm_gb1_162.jpg-fbd3f92e727d8d583ab9ab81b8ad472b&hash=d3b1088f31a8f8e0c9f8e595d9a4d0d4c68a77ec)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftwt-thumbs.washtimes.com%2Fmedia%2Fimage%2F2015%2F07%2F28%2F2b07521ba77987217d0f6a706700a16c_c0-79-2500-1536_s561x327.jpg%3Fd3914e7634889aa3cbbcba02205fc3b86faee88b&hash=bbf5d94dc9abb97f3e9d6ee43aea040979f634ec)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2015, 10:39:15 PM
Updated through games on 12/17

Undefeated (16)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Susquehanna
Carroll
Amherst
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (16)
Howard Payne
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Olivet
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
SUNY-Maritime
Trinity (TX)
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (6)
Valley Forge
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on December 15, 2015, 10:48:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 15, 2015, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 15, 2015, 12:37:45 AM
I bet it was a great one-on-one duel when Paul Quinn beat Philander Smith.

I've always thought that it was one of the great tragedies of college athletics that Philander Smith College chose not to call its sports teams the Philanderers.

Obviously not as cool as the Philander Smith Philanders would have been, but I was at a high school in Connecticut called RHAM (pronounced as R-A-M like the animal) how cool would it have been for them to be called the RHAM Rams??  I think they blew it there!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 15, 2015, 10:49:10 PM
RHAM Trucks would have been good also.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2015, 11:22:45 PM
A couple schools I can think of that have taken the opportunity for good matching names are the Stetson Hatters and Boston Terriers
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2015, 12:39:34 AM
When Eastern Michigan University gave in to NON-Huron protesters (the Hurons wanted them to keep the name), they switched to a mascot which SHOULD BE offensive to Native Americans ('Eagles' are sacred to many tribes, besides being totally trite); the obvious choice was to be the 'Emus'.

Alas, EMU never did listen to me. :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 16, 2015, 01:33:45 AM
I wonder if ANY team has an emu as its mascot. That might have been their best chance!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 16, 2015, 01:35:30 PM
Nope:

http://www.smargon.net/nicknames/

You can find some beauties in there though!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 16, 2015, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2015, 12:39:34 AM
When Eastern Michigan University gave in to NON-Huron protesters (the Hurons wanted them to keep the name), they switched to a mascot which SHOULD BE offensive to Native Americans ('Eagles' are sacred to many tribes, besides being totally trite); the obvious choice was to be the 'Emus'.

That would've been perfect, since the color of an emu egg is pretty close to the shade of dark green used by Eastern Michigan athletics:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eatdrinkrare.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F08%2FEmu-egg.jpg&hash=04a93052e5dddbddc0ef4c2a4de4d924e66aad9c)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1240.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg499%2FIceman87GT%2FUniform%2520Updates%25206%2FAdidas%2520Techfits%2FEMUGreen1.jpg&hash=aecc93a71b02715011ee2c9eb97fab72cdb9dd42)

Plus, emus are pretty badass. I certainly wouldn't want to get kicked by one.

Quote from: smedindy on December 16, 2015, 01:35:30 PM
Nope:

http://www.smargon.net/nicknames/

You can find some beauties in there though!

Double fail on the part of Eastern Michigan, since not only are there no other colleges with the Emus nickname, there are no colleges that are nicknamed after any ratite. Thus, there are no teams called the Ostriches, the Cassowarys, the Kiwis, or the Rheas, either, much to the impoverishment of intercollegiate athletics.

Hey, if an entire country can adopt the informal nickname of Kiwis for its inhabitants, then it's certainly good enough for an American college or university.

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2015, 11:22:45 PM
A couple schools I can think of that have taken the opportunity for good matching names are the Stetson Hatters and Boston Terriers

How unfortunate that Creighton University decided not to call its teams the Barrels.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2015, 07:47:15 PM
Man, a cassowary is such a BAD ASS bird I think they'd be a great mascot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA58sS3x2Oo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2015, 09:25:31 PM
Crikey!

You'd have to find the meanest guy in school to do justice to the mascot costume if your team was called the Cassowaries.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 17, 2015, 10:56:39 PM
Maybe the colleges in the US don't think much of any ratite, but here in my area of Northern New York there are 4 small school districts that combined to form a track team since none of the 4 were big enough to have a competitive team on their own. They also combine to form a tennis team and a swimming team. The schools are Elizabethtown, Keene, Westport, and Moriah. The team is known as EKWM and their mascot is none other than the largest bird in Australia, the Emu. The schools have struggled to to field a track team and have to overcome problems that other schools don't run into but they have persevered and done quite well. Here's a great article about the Emus that was written this past April. Some kids still go the extra mile.  ;)

     http://www.suncommunitynews.com/sports/local-support-provides-traction-ekmw/
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2015, 07:49:47 AM
Updated through games on 12/19

Undefeated (16)
Texas-Dallas
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Susquehanna
Carroll
Amherst
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (7)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier
LaGrange

Winless (14)
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Earlham
Olivet
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
SUNY-Maritime
Northland
Martin Luther


Winless vs D3 (6)
Valley Forge
Oglethorpe
Ozarks
Crown
Whittier
Kalamazoo*
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 18, 2015, 08:34:10 AM
My sister-in-law lived in western Wisconsin and it took several small communities to form a school. The little towns were Gale, Ettrick and Trempealeau. So, she went to G.E.T. High...and no, there wasn't a guy runnning around in a joint outfit with smoke coming out of his head.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 20, 2015, 07:06:37 PM
Updated through games on 12/20 (* denotes teams with a chance to leave this page 12/21)

Undefeated (15)
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Susquehanna
Carroll
Amherst
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
Whitman
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (6)
Hope*
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman
Whittier*

Winless (13)
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Olivet*
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
SUNY-Maritime
Northland
Martin Luther

Winless vs D3 (4)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown
Kalamazoo
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 20, 2015, 07:17:12 PM
I love that Whittier is both winless and unbeaten vs. D3.  :o It's unfortunate it will end tonight.  :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2015, 07:47:18 AM
Quote from: pg04 on December 20, 2015, 07:17:12 PM
I love that Whittier is both winless and unbeaten vs. D3.  :o It's unfortunate it will end tonight.  :(

And they could be off both lists in one weekend.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2015, 07:48:49 AM
Undefeated

Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)


Eastern Connecticut - 7express  Lost to WPI   11/13
Randolph-Macon - Gregory Sager  Lost to Mary Washington   11/15
Virginia Wesleyan - magicman  Lost to Wesley    11/15
Scranton - ronk - Lost to Hobart   11/21
Franklin & Marshall - njf1003 - Lost to Lancaster Bible  11/21
Wooster - wooscotsfan - Lost to Skidmore  11/21
UW-Stevens Point - hope1 - Lost to Hope   11/21
Marietta - sac - lost to St. Vincent   11/24
Elmhurst - augie77 - lost to Benedictine  11/25
Hope - KnightSlappy - lost to Cornerstone  11/28
St John Fisher - FCGrizzliesGrad - lost to RIT  12/2
Penn St-Behrend - pg04 - lost to La Roche 12/5
Oswego State - hopefan - lost to Buffalo State 12/5
St Thomas - John Gleich - lost to Carleton 12/5
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge - lost to Hiram on 12/12



Mr. Ypsi and Earlham are out of Winless, Defeating Maine Maritime

Winless

Johnson St - sac
Martin Luther - augie77

Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Chatham - hopefan - Won vs Washington and Jefferson 12/5
Penn College - Gregory Sager - Won vs Wilson  12/5
Lesley - magicman - won vs Mount Ida 12/10
Dominican - Greek Tragedy - won vs Knox 12/14
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi - won vs Maine Maritime 12/20
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 21, 2015, 02:47:34 PM
For the loser winner...
Augie77 has to sweat out a Jan 2  Martin Luther vs 0-10, probable 0-11 Northland, then on Jan 3.  they play never easy to lose to Finlandia.


Johnson State has a date with Colby-Sawyer on Jan 3. before a clash with probably 0-10 Maine-Farmington on Jan 8.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2015, 07:57:15 PM
Updated through games on 12/29

Undefeated (14)
Christopher Newport
Swarthmore
Augustana
Eastern Nazarene
SUNY-Canton
Susquehanna
Carroll
Amherst
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll
Austin
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (5)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Chapman

Winless (12)
Hunter
Keystone
Curry
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
SUNY-Maritime
Northland
Martin Luther

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 24, 2015, 02:44:06 PM
It's not the men, nor Cal Tech heights, but Mary Baldwin has lost 87 women's hoops games in a row....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2015, 07:02:36 AM
I did a quick check, and none of the winless men's teams is joined by a winless women's team at their school, though SUNY Maritime does not have a women's team.  In a real turn around, Penn State Abington's men are winless, but the Women's team is UNDEFEATED!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2015, 12:03:28 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 21, 2015, 07:48:49 AM
Undefeated

Augustana - Mr. Ypsi
Whitworth - Greek Tragedy (1), Hoops Fan (2)

Augie escapes...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 30, 2015, 12:53:07 AM
Whitworth also escapes, by almost exactly the same score.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2015, 02:07:50 AM
Quote from: pg04 on December 30, 2015, 12:53:07 AM
Whitworth also escapes, by almost exactly the same score.

When I posted that, the scoreboard had Whitworth winning by double-digits. Apparently that was the wrong score, otherwise I would have mentioned that too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on December 30, 2015, 02:11:57 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2015, 02:07:50 AM
Quote from: pg04 on December 30, 2015, 12:53:07 AM
Whitworth also escapes, by almost exactly the same score.

When I posted that, the scoreboard had Whitworth winning by double-digits. Apparently that was the wrong score, otherwise I would have mentioned that too.

I watched the second half and Calvin gave a spirited effort. Alas, both teams remain kings of the mountain.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2015, 03:19:29 PM
Updated through games on 1/1 (*denotes games on 1/2)

Undefeated (10)
Swarthmore
Augustana*
Susquehanna
Amherst
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine*
Whitworth
John Carroll
Austin*
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (5)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps*
Chapman*

Winless (12)
Hunter*
Keystone
Curry
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva*
Washington & Jefferson*
SUNY-Maritime*
Northland*
Martin Luther*

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks*
Crown*
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2015, 09:12:31 AM
12/30 undefeateds go from 14 to 11...

Christopher Newport lost to Scranton  58-65

SUNY-Canton lost to Staten Island  66-90

Carroll lost to UW-Oshkosh   67-81

no movement in other categories
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2016, 12:14:00 PM

Northland vs Martin Luther tonight.  Someone has to win!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2016, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 02, 2016, 12:14:00 PM

Northland vs Martin Luther tonight.  Someone has to win!

Martin Luther, using the Reformation formation. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: amh63 on January 02, 2016, 12:51:00 PM
Interesting topic board here.  Several comments.
First...ronk, your note wrt to Martin Luther pick.  Your parochial background would steer you to Northland. ;D
Second...Eastern Nazerene plays WPI today!  Selection anyone?   ENCis a surprise to me...Hoops Fan 's alma mater.  He never made mention of his school's team when he and I chatted at Stevenson.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2016, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 02, 2016, 12:14:00 PM

Northland vs Martin Luther tonight.  Someone has to win!

Unless they run out of pitchers, then Bud Selig calls it a tie.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2016, 04:41:53 PM

We lost Eastern Nazarene.  Up 1, WPI hit a three at the buzzer to crush their dreams.  Great game, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2016, 04:49:44 PM
Updated through games on 1/1 (*denotes teams who could still come off these lists on 1/2)

Undefeated (9)
Swarthmore
Augustana*
Susquehanna
Amherst
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (5)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps*
Chapman

Winless (9)
Keystone
Curry
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva*
Washington & Jefferson
Northland

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2016, 04:52:47 PM

WAsh & Jeff (0-10) tied with Waynesburg (1-9) with 7 minutes to go.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2016, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 02, 2016, 12:14:00 PM

Northland vs Martin Luther tonight.  Someone has to win!

Unless they run out of pitchers, then Bud Selig calls it a tie.

It has been my experience they don't run out of pitchers of beer in Northern Wisconsin very often.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2016, 08:13:28 PM

Watching the last two minutes of this Northland-Martin Luther game leads me to believe some supervillain has abducted the players' families and will slowly roast alive those belonging to the winning team.  A true comedy of errors here.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2016, 08:19:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 02, 2016, 08:13:28 PM

Watching the last two minutes of this Northland-Martin Luther game leads me to believe some supervillain has abducted the players' families and will slowly roast alive those belonging to the winning team.  A true comedy of errors here.

Northland needed two to tie, they went for the hero-ball three and missed.

Every list is down to single-digits in the new year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
eh, Martin Luther had it in the bag if they'd hit their FT's.  While certainly a bit ugly the last 4 minutes had plenty of drama with Martin Luther standing at the FT line up 9 with a 1 for 1 at the 4:01 mark.  ML missed it and Northland quickly got it up court for a layup and a foul, got a defensive stop followed by another quick  layup and all of the sudden its a 4 point game.  One or two nice inside plays by Northland and a series of trading 3's in the last couple minutes.  Can't fault the effort.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2016, 08:35:11 PM
Martin Luther's win makes me the last one standing.  Johnson State was only the third team I looked at.  I can't say it was anything specific but I did note the downward trend of the last couple years and the loss of their top two leading scorers and their overall youth.  The schedule wasn't exactly ideal but it didn't look too daunting.  I believe this is the 3rd time I've been able to be a loser.

From this point forward I root hard for a Johnson State Badgers victory!


Winless

Johnson St - sac


Martin Luther - augie77
Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Chatham - hopefan - Won vs Washington and Jefferson 12/5
Penn College - Gregory Sager - Won vs Wilson  12/5
Lesley - magicman - won vs Mount Ida 12/10
Dominican - Greek Tragedy - won vs Knox 12/14
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi - won vs Maine Maritime 12/20
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2016, 08:35:11 PM
Martin Luther's win makes me the last one standing.  Johnson State was only the third team I looked at.  I can't say it was anything specific but I did note the downward trend of the last couple years and the loss of their top two leading scorers and their overall youth.  The schedule wasn't exactly ideal but it didn't look too daunting.  I believe this is the 3rd time I've been able to be a loser.

From this point forward I root hard for a Johnson State Badgers victory!


Winless

Johnson St - sac


Martin Luther - augie77
Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Chatham - hopefan - Won vs Washington and Jefferson 12/5
Penn College - Gregory Sager - Won vs Wilson  12/5
Lesley - magicman - won vs Mount Ida 12/10
Dominican - Greek Tragedy - won vs Knox 12/14
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi - won vs Maine Maritime 12/20


Congrats, sac!  +k

Sheesh, I was so confident of Earlham's ability to never win another game, I already tried to claim them for NEXT year!  Oh well, at least I came in second. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2016, 10:11:49 PM
Updated through games on 1/3 (*denotes still to finish)

Undefeated (7)
Augustana
Susquehanna
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (4)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State
Chapman

Winless (9)
Keystone
Curry
Johnson State
Maine-Farmington
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson
Northland*

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown*
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2016, 07:13:39 AM
My accounting genes shudder with the bookkeeping here as lists change with no explanation... ;D

As of 12/30 there were 11 undefeated and 12 winless teams

on 1/2 :
Eastern Nazarene lost to WPI
Austin lost to University of Dallas    so we are at 9 undefeateds

Claremont Mudd Scripps lost to La Verne       so we are at 4 undefeated vs D3 only


Hunter beat John Jay
Martin Luther beat Northland
SUNY-Maritime beat St. Joseph's (L.I.)         so we are at 9 winless

We remain at 5 winless vs D3

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 03, 2016, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2016, 08:35:11 PM
Martin Luther's win makes me the last one standing.  Johnson State was only the third team I looked at.  I can't say it was anything specific but I did note the downward trend of the last couple years and the loss of their top two leading scorers and their overall youth.  The schedule wasn't exactly ideal but it didn't look too daunting.  I believe this is the 3rd time I've been able to be a loser.

From this point forward I root hard for a Johnson State Badgers victory!



Winless

Johnson St - sac


Martin Luther - augie77
Cairn - 7express  WON Wilson   11/14
Ohio Wesleyan - David Collinge  WON Otterbein      11/14
Sarah Lawrence - Knightslappy   WON Pratt   11/20
Maine Maritime - FCGrizzliesGrad(1), Hoops Fan (2) - WON SUNY Maritime  11/21
Wilson - Ronk - Won vs Penn State-Altoona  11/30
Crown - John Gleich - Won vs Oak Hills Christian  12/1
Summit (Baptist Bible) - pg04 - Won vs Keystone  12/2
LaRoche - wooscotsfan - Won vs Penn State Altoona 12/2
Franciscan - njf1003 - Won vs Mount Aloysius 12/2
Chatham - hopefan - Won vs Washington and Jefferson 12/5
Penn College - Gregory Sager - Won vs Wilson  12/5
Lesley - magicman - won vs Mount Ida 12/10
Dominican - Greek Tragedy - won vs Knox 12/14
Earlham - Mr. Ypsi - won vs Maine Maritime 12/20


Congrats, sac!  +k

Sheesh, I was so confident of Earlham's ability to never win another game, I already tried to claim them for NEXT year!  Oh well, at least I came in second. ;)

You came in 3rd,  Augie77 was 2nd
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2016, 04:53:46 PM
Updated through games on 1/4 (* denotes teams who could come off the board on 1/5)

Undefeated (7)
Augustana
Susquehanna
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth*
John Carroll
NYU*

Undefeated vs D3 (4)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Geneseo State*
Chapman

Winless (8)
Keystone*
Curry*
Johnson State*
Maine-Farmington*
Bryn Athyn
Penn State-Abington
Geneva
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2016, 12:48:45 AM
Jan 3rd

Undefeated goes from 9 to 7
Amherst lost to Rhodes
Swarthmore lost to Delaware Valley

Undefeated vs D3 only stays at 4

Winless goes from 9 to 8
Northland beat Bethany Lutheran

Winless vs D3 only stays at 5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2016, 06:56:49 PM
Updated through games on 1/6 (* Chapman still to play)

Undefeated (6)
Susquehanna
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (3)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Chapman*

Winless (5)
Keystone
Curry
Johnson State
Bryn Athyn
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 05, 2016, 10:15:13 PM
alas, Maine-Farmington won their game with Thomas tonight 76-66 depriving us of an 0-10 Me-Farmington vs 0-10 Johnson State game on Friday :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2016, 07:38:37 AM
Quote from: sac on January 05, 2016, 10:15:13 PM
alas, Maine-Farmington won their game with Thomas tonight 76-66 depriving us of an 0-10 Me-Farmington vs 0-10 Johnson State game on Friday :(

We do still get winless Wash & Jeff vs winless Geneva tonight, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on January 06, 2016, 08:50:29 PM
We could be getting the undesirable "tie" winner in the undefeateds tonight if Augustana can't pull it out in the 2nd half!  ::) ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2016, 09:22:08 PM

Kalamazoo goes to OT, but loses to Alma by 1 point to stay on the winless against d3 list.  Sad night.  They'll get one one of these days.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2016, 10:02:03 PM
Quote from: pg04 on January 06, 2016, 08:50:29 PM
We could be getting the undesirable "tie" winner in the undefeateds tonight if Augustana can't pull it out in the 2nd half!  ::) ???

They are going OT, and I would not consider it "undersirable" at all!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2016, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2016, 10:02:03 PM
Quote from: pg04 on January 06, 2016, 08:50:29 PM
We could be getting the undesirable "tie" winner in the undefeateds tonight if Augustana can't pull it out in the 2nd half!  ::) ???

They are going OT, and I would not consider it "undersirable" at all!

Well I would! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2016, 10:08:24 PM

It doesn't have to be a tie.  Greek can win.  I simply picked the team I thought would last the longest - as far as I'm concerned, I won't "win" unless they're the only undefeated left.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on January 06, 2016, 10:08:35 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2016, 10:02:03 PM
Quote from: pg04 on January 06, 2016, 08:50:29 PM
We could be getting the undesirable "tie" winner in the undefeateds tonight if Augustana can't pull it out in the 2nd half!  ::) ???

They are going OT, and I would not consider it "undersirable" at all!

;D ;D ;D I wonder why! It's been a great game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on January 06, 2016, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 06, 2016, 10:08:24 PM

It doesn't have to be a tie.  Greek can win.  I simply picked the team I thought would last the longest - as far as I'm concerned, I won't "win" unless they're the only undefeated left.

I was just being a grumpy Gus. Obviously your pick was very good, and if you didn't think another team would do it, why pick them?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2016, 10:12:56 PM
Hoops and I are co-champions!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2016, 10:17:07 PM

Updated through games on 1/6 (* Chapman still to play)

Undefeated (6)
Susquehanna
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (3)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Chapman*

Winless (5)
Keystone
Curry
Johnson State
Bryn Athyn
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on January 06, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
+k for the co-champs!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2016, 12:08:01 AM
Oh well. :(  For a while I thought I might actually win both the undefeated AND the winless contests, but at least I finished top 3 in both.  Congrats to the winners.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2016, 08:26:52 AM
Updated through games on 1/10

Undefeated (6)
Susquehanna
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (3)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan
Chapman

Winless (3)
Curry
Bryn Athyn
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2016, 09:29:15 AM
Johnson State beats Maine- Farmington on 1/8 to fall off winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2016, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 09, 2016, 09:29:15 AM
Johnson State beats Maine- Farmington on 1/8 to fall off winless

Keystone beat Cairn today for its first win and Bryn Athyn fell just five points short of win #1 against PSU-Berks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2016, 08:34:17 AM
Here was where we stood on Jan 10 of last year...interesting, none have repeated into our perfect list on Jan 10 of this year, though Chapman is Undefeated vs D3 only, and Crown is Winless vs D3 only...

Unbeaten (3 teams)
Chapman (12-0) vs Pomona-Pitzer 1/13
Franklin & Marshall (13-0) vs Muhlenberg 1/13
Marietta (13-0) vs Capital 1/14

Winless (4 teams)
Baptist Bible (0-11) vs Neumann 1/12
Cairn (0-11) @ Rosemont 1/12
Earlham (0-13) @ Transylvania 1/14
Crown (0-12) @ Martin Luther 1/16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2016, 11:37:49 AM
Speaking of Lancaster Bible...

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/01/chargers-surging-toward-top-25

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 11, 2016, 02:54:10 PM
I'd still like to know what the heck happened to W&J? 13-13 two seasons ago and now????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2016, 04:35:24 PM
Yeah, hard to figure. Their 13 losses include one to first year men's program Chatham, one to otherwise-winless Geneva and one to one of the Penn State branch campuses.

They've traditionally hovered around .500 but the last two years have been very ugly.

2014-15 (2-24, 1-15 PAC)
2013-14 (13-13, 8-8 PAC)
2012-13 (9-18, 6-10 PAC)
2011-12 (9-18, 4-12 PAC)
2010-11 (11-15, 8-6 PAC)
2009-10 (12-15, 6-6 PAC)
2008-09 (20-10, 7-5 PAC)
2007-08 (14-14, 8-4 PAC)
2006-07 (14-14, 8-4 PAC)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2016, 12:35:57 AM
Updated through games on 1/12

Undefeated (6)
Susquehanna
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (2)
Hope
Nebraska Wesleyan

Winless (3)
Curry
Bryn Athyn
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Crown
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2016, 08:10:34 AM
I wish Hoops Fan would tell us which team dropped off and the game that resulted in the change when our lists are impacted...

In this case, Chapman dropped off the undefeated vs D3 only, losing last night to La Verne...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 12, 2016, 08:35:33 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 11, 2016, 02:54:10 PM
I'd still like to know what the heck happened to W&J? 13-13 two seasons ago and now????

Coaching change this year, previous coach resigned pretty much immediately after last season ended.  This years roster has 11 Fr. and So. on a roster of 13.  From last years team they returned one player who averaged 10+ min per game and only 3 that registered any minutes total.  Essentially they have 10 first year players and 2 other guys who played very little last year.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2016, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 12, 2016, 08:10:34 AM
I wish Hoops Fan would tell us which team dropped off and the game that resulted in the change when our lists are impacted...

In this case, Chapman dropped off the undefeated vs D3 only, losing last night to La Verne...

Why would I do that when you do it so consistently?  Also, how dare you not have the list memorized and instantly know who's dropped off?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2016, 09:07:48 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2016, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 12, 2016, 08:10:34 AM
I wish Hoops Fan would tell us which team dropped off and the game that resulted in the change when our lists are impacted...

In this case, Chapman dropped off the undefeated vs D3 only, losing last night to La Verne...

Why would I do that when you do it so consistently?  Also, how dare you not have the list memorized and instantly know who's dropped off?

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2016, 12:08:23 AM
Updated through games on 1/13 (* denotes a team playing 1/14)

Undefeated (6)
Susquehanna
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine*
Whitworth
John Carroll
NYU

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan

Winless (3)
Curry*
Bryn Athyn*
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (5)
Valley Forge
Ozarks*
Crown
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2016, 09:16:30 PM
And another one bites the dust - Alma 86, Hope 75.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2016, 09:07:15 PM
BTW, better catch 'em before the magic breaks - perennial winless favorite Caltech is currently tied for the lead in the SCIAC at 3-1! :o

Quite a turnaround from their 7 gazillion game conference losing streak of recent memory.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2016, 10:38:32 PM
Updated through games on 1/14 (*denotes teams in play 1/15)

Undefeated (6)
Susquehanna
Lancaster Bible*
Benedictine
Whitworth*
John Carroll
NYU*

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan

Winless (2)
Curry
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (4)
Valley Forge
Ozarks
Kalamazoo
Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2016, 11:43:27 PM
Hoops Fan list changes   1/14

Bryn Athyn falls off winless beating Wilson 64-63.... Bryn Athyn scores at 0:07 to go up 1, Wilson misses a shot to win it....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2016, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 14, 2016, 11:43:27 PM
Hoops Fan list changes   1/14

Bryn Athyn falls off winless beating Wilson 64-63.... Bryn Athyn scores at 0:07 to go up 1, Wilson misses a shot to win it....

Hmm.  I have Bryn Athyn @ Wilson on my prospective list for when I 'host' the pick-ems, but doubted it would get any 'action'.  I guess it is now more in play, and I have a week and-a-half to decide. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:10:07 AM
Going to lose a winless vs D3 tomorrow as the two powerhouses - Kalamazoo & Olivet face off in Kalamazoo.  I'd be putting my money on the Hornets
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Crown up 20 on Martin Luther at the half.  Let's see if they can give that lead away.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Crown up 20 on Martin Luther at the half.  Let's see if they can give that lead away.

They're trying.  11 minutes to go, lead down to 7.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Crown up 20 on Martin Luther at the half.  Let's see if they can give that lead away.

They're trying.  11 minutes to go, lead down to 7.

Six seconds left, Crown up by just 2.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Crown up 20 on Martin Luther at the half.  Let's see if they can give that lead away.

They're trying.  11 minutes to go, lead down to 7.

Six seconds left, Crown up by just 2.

Martin Luther gets a shot off at the buzzer - foul called.  Three FTs with no time on the clock, team down 3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Crown up 20 on Martin Luther at the half.  Let's see if they can give that lead away.

They're trying.  11 minutes to go, lead down to 7.

Six seconds left, Crown up by just 2.

Martin Luther gets a shot off at the buzzer - foul called.  Three FTs with no time on the clock, team down 3.

Hits all three - heading to OT.  Martin Luther has never led in this game, down 20 at the half.  Crown may never win a d3 game.  Wow.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Crown up 20 on Martin Luther at the half.  Let's see if they can give that lead away.

They're trying.  11 minutes to go, lead down to 7.

Six seconds left, Crown up by just 2.

Martin Luther gets a shot off at the buzzer - foul called.  Three FTs with no time on the clock, team down 3.

Hits all three - heading to OT.  Martin Luther has never led in this game, down 20 at the half.  Crown may never win a d3 game.  Wow.

Double OT now.  Crown up 2 with 3 seconds to play.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Crown up 20 on Martin Luther at the half.  Let's see if they can give that lead away.

They're trying.  11 minutes to go, lead down to 7.

Six seconds left, Crown up by just 2.

Martin Luther gets a shot off at the buzzer - foul called.  Three FTs with no time on the clock, team down 3.

Hits all three - heading to OT.  Martin Luther has never led in this game, down 20 at the half.  Crown may never win a d3 game.  Wow.

Double OT now.  Crown up 2 with 3 seconds to play.

Crown wins.  Off the list.  117-113.  Awesome game.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2016, 09:22:36 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 15, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Crown up 20 on Martin Luther at the half.  Let's see if they can give that lead away.

They're trying.  11 minutes to go, lead down to 7.

Six seconds left, Crown up by just 2.

Martin Luther gets a shot off at the buzzer - foul called.  Three FTs with no time on the clock, team down 3.

Hits all three - heading to OT.  Martin Luther has never led in this game, down 20 at the half.  Crown may never win a d3 game.  Wow.

Double OT now.  Crown up 2 with 3 seconds to play.

Crown wins.  Off the list.  117-113.  Awesome game.

Delayed revenge.  The Crown finally defeated Martin Luther.  Does this mean the Reformation has been cancelled? :o ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2016, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2016, 09:22:36 PM
Delayed revenge.  The Crown finally defeated Martin Luther.  Does this mean the Reformation has been cancelled? :o ;D

Not that kind of crown, Chuck. ;) Crown College is affiliated with the Christian & Missionary Alliance, an evangelical Protestant denomination.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on January 15, 2016, 09:47:21 PM
And what did Summit used to be ?  ;D :o ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2016, 09:50:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2016, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2016, 09:22:36 PM
Delayed revenge.  The Crown finally defeated Martin Luther.  Does this mean the Reformation has been cancelled? :o ;D

Not that kind of crown, Chuck. ;) Crown College is affiliated with the Christian & Missionary Alliance, an evangelical Protestant denomination.

Yeah, I knew that, but couldn't resist an obvious joke. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 15, 2016, 10:02:56 PM
Quote from: pg04 on January 15, 2016, 09:47:21 PM
And what did Summit used to be ?  ;D :o ???
My kind of guy. +1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2016, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: pg04 on January 15, 2016, 09:47:21 PM
And what did Summit used to be ?  ;D :o ???

"I'll take 'Memes of the Undefeated and the Winless' for $500, Alex."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 11:12:38 PM
Updated through games on 1/16

Undefeated (4)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (2)
Curry
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (2)
Valley Forge
Kalamazoo

^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2016, 10:05:56 PM
Not sure what is going on (Caltech/Pomona-Pitzer livestats frozen for 15 minutes), but since Caltech was up 13 w/ 57 seconds left I think it is safe to declare them the winner.  For the D3hoops.com era, that gives them a record six wins overall, and four wins in the SCIAC - they are currently in FIRST place!  But the Beavers have totally blown away their status as our favorite lovable losers, and perennial first pick for the winless contest! 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2016, 05:44:45 PM

Nebraska Wesleyan is out first "permanent" member of the lists this year.  They defeated Westminster (MO) today; it is their last scheduled d3 game.  Unless they somehow get consideration from the Pool C committee, it is the last d3 game they'll play.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2016, 06:50:22 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 18, 2016, 05:44:45 PM

Nebraska Wesleyan is out first "permanent" member of the lists this year.  They defeated Westminster (MO) today; it is their last scheduled d3 game.  Unless they somehow get consideration from the Pool C committee, it is the last d3 game they'll play.

Nebraska Wesleyan played only FOUR D3 games this season
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 18, 2016, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 18, 2016, 06:50:22 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 18, 2016, 05:44:45 PM

Nebraska Wesleyan is out first "permanent" member of the lists this year.  They defeated Westminster (MO) today; it is their last scheduled d3 game.  Unless they somehow get consideration from the Pool C committee, it is the last d3 game they'll play.

Nebraska Wesleyan played only FOUR D3 games this season

I find it amazing they are even eligible for the D3 tourney. They play in an NAIA conference and played only 4 D3 games. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2016, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 18, 2016, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 18, 2016, 06:50:22 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 18, 2016, 05:44:45 PM

Nebraska Wesleyan is out first "permanent" member of the lists this year.  They defeated Westminster (MO) today; it is their last scheduled d3 game.  Unless they somehow get consideration from the Pool C committee, it is the last d3 game they'll play.

Nebraska Wesleyan played only FOUR D3 games this season

I find it amazing they are even eligible for the D3 tourney. They play in an NAIA conference and played only 4 D3 games.

They get the waiver, they're eligible.  This is the last year we have to worry, though. They join the Iowa Conference next year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2016, 10:36:48 PM
Updated through games on 1/22

Undefeated (4)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (2)
Curry
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (2)
Valley Forge
Kalamazoo

^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2016, 10:48:57 PM
Is there anyone in the world who can honestly say they would have predicted that half of the undefeated teams at this point of the season would be Lancaster Bible and Benedictine?? :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2016, 07:39:35 PM

I thought Curry had a chance to come off the board today, but they lost by 17! to WNE.  They have home games against Salve Regina and WNE upcoming, but outside of those two, they might be stuck.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2016, 04:00:35 PM

John Carroll held on already today - and Kalamazoo is leading Hope at the half!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2016, 12:00:33 AM
Updated through games on 1/26

Undefeated (4)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (2)
Curry
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (2)
Valley Forge
Kalamazoo

^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on January 26, 2016, 02:46:43 PM
I was so close to being still in this. My undefeated team lost once by 2 and hasn't lost since and the winless team won once and hasn't won since.  So close but yet so far.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 26, 2016, 03:32:19 PM
I feel your pain, pg04.  My winless picks have been "big losers" in four of the past five years:

2012: Millikin: 1-24
2013: Knox: 1-22
2014: Knox:  1-22
2016: Martin Luther: 1-16 (so far)

Not once have I prevailed in the winless contest.  One more thing I lost was the right to claim my alma mater in this year's undefeated pool.  Mr. Ypsi picked Augustana (who finished second in this year's undefeated pool) at the stroke of midnight, beating me by an hour, when the contest entry started this year.  My hope now is no more losing  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on January 26, 2016, 03:37:24 PM
Wow! I think this shows that you are really good at picking but unlucky to not win yet.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2016, 04:19:00 PM
My pick for unbeaten, selected with zero research and only because the head coach is a friend, lost for the only time by two points on the road and has not lost since. Hopefully that all changes tomorrow, though. 😀
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 26, 2016, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: augie77 on January 26, 2016, 03:32:19 PM
I feel your pain, pg04.  My winless picks have been "big losers" in four of the past five years:

2012: Millikin: 1-24
2013: Knox: 1-22
2014: Knox:  1-22
2016: Martin Luther: 1-16 (so far)

Not once have I prevailed in the winless contest.  One more thing I lost was the right to claim my alma mater in this year's undefeated pool.  Mr. Ypsi picked Augustana (who finished second in this year's undefeated pool) at the stroke of midnight, beating me by an hour, when the contest entry started this year.  My hope now is no more losing  ;D

Next season we really ought to add a One Win survivor pool, just for augie77's sake. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2016, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 26, 2016, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: augie77 on January 26, 2016, 03:32:19 PM
I feel your pain, pg04.  My winless picks have been "big losers" in four of the past five years:

2012: Millikin: 1-24
2013: Knox: 1-22
2014: Knox:  1-22
2016: Martin Luther: 1-16 (so far)

Not once have I prevailed in the winless contest.  One more thing I lost was the right to claim my alma mater in this year's undefeated pool.  Mr. Ypsi picked Augustana (who finished second in this year's undefeated pool) at the stroke of midnight, beating me by an hour, when the contest entry started this year.  My hope now is no more losing  ;D

Next season we really ought to add a One Win survivor pool, just for augie77's sake. ;)

I don't think I've had a stretch of seasons like augie77, but this year I had Augie for unbeaten who almost outlasted all other picks and is now 17-1, and Earlham for winless who almost outlasted all other picks and is now 1-16. :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2016, 10:06:30 PM

Updated through games on 1/26

Undefeated (4)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (2)
Curry
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (2)
Valley Forge
Kalamazoo

^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
Since Neb Wes joins the IIAC next(?) season, this is a moot point for them, but we probably should have some minimum number of D3 games to be eligible in either contest.  Neb Wes will probably finish as the ONLY team to be unbeaten against D3 (I'm betting that none of the current unbeatens will win the walnut-and-bronze), but they played, what, 4-5 D3 teams?  Several hundred D3 teams beat 4-5 D3 teams! :o ;D

(I'd be more precise about their record, but Pat doesn't even list them as a D3 team, and I'm much too lazy to go to their website without a link from Pat!)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 03:38:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
Since Neb Wes joins the IIAC next(?) season, this is a moot point for them, but we probably should have some minimum number of D3 games to be eligible in either contest.  Neb Wes will probably finish as the ONLY team to be unbeaten against D3 (I'm betting that none of the current unbeatens will win the walnut-and-bronze), but they played, what, 4-5 D3 teams?  Several hundred D3 teams beat 4-5 D3 teams! :o ;D

(I'd be more precise about their record, but Pat doesn't even list them as a D3 team, and I'm much too lazy to go to their website without a link from Pat!)

They're actually pretty good.  It's a shame their two best players will graduate this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 03:40:55 PM
NWC played four Division III opponents this year. They have sometimes played half their schedule against D3 when they took getting into the tournament far more seriously in the past. Interestingly, they are "eligible" for the NCAA tournament this year, but I really don't know what the committee is going to do with four or five games. They are granted an exception every year for the number of games they play (below .500 just to be eligible; we aren't talking about below .700 for all games to count), but that doesn't mean they get in with four wins and zero losses.

Yes, next year it will be moot anyway.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 03:40:55 PM
NWC played four Division III opponents this year. They have sometimes played half their schedule against D3 when they took getting into the tournament far more seriously in the past. Interestingly, they are "eligible" for the NCAA tournament this year, but I really don't know what the committee is going to do with four or five games. They are granted an exception every year for the number of games they play (below .500 just to be eligible; we aren't talking about below .700 for all games to count), but that doesn't mean they get in with four wins and zero losses.

Yes, next year it will be moot anyway.

It'll be interesting to see if they show up in the West Region rankings.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 07:04:48 PM

I was watching the Curry game (playing at ENC) - they were, scarily, doing well, down 35-40 at the half.  Then I turned the game off to have dinner with my family.  When I came back, they'd lost by 36!  Yikes!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 07:30:56 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 03:40:55 PM
NWC played four Division III opponents this year. They have sometimes played half their schedule against D3 when they took getting into the tournament far more seriously in the past. Interestingly, they are "eligible" for the NCAA tournament this year, but I really don't know what the committee is going to do with four or five games. They are granted an exception every year for the number of games they play (below .500 just to be eligible; we aren't talking about below .700 for all games to count), but that doesn't mean they get in with four wins and zero losses.

Yes, next year it will be moot anyway.

It'll be interesting to see if they show up in the West Region rankings.

I'll be checking in on their status and committee thinking prior to Feb. 10 (9), so we will have a good idea. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 09:19:54 PM

Wash & Jeff was down 15 in the second half, but they've got it back even with three minutes to go.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:19:54 PM

Wash & Jeff was down 15 in the second half, but they've got it back even with three minutes to go.

They made it to overtime.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:19:54 PM

Wash & Jeff was down 15 in the second half, but they've got it back even with three minutes to go.

They made it to overtime.

Double overtime!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:19:54 PM

Wash & Jeff was down 15 in the second half, but they've got it back even with three minutes to go.

They made it to overtime.

Double overtime!

And not enough, the Presidents are still winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2016, 10:07:40 PM
Updated through games on 1/28

Undefeated (4)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (2)
Curry
Washington & Jefferson

Winless vs D3 (2)
Valley Forge
Kalamazoo

^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 27, 2016, 11:51:38 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 27, 2016, 09:19:54 PM

Wash & Jeff was down 15 in the second half, but they've got it back even with three minutes to go.

They made it to overtime.

Double overtime!

And not enough, the Presidents are still winless.

OOP! ACK! THBBFT!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2016, 12:08:36 AM
In the 'almost winless but not quite there' category.. Franklin lost by 18 tonight to Manchester... notable because it was in OT. ???
Saturday sees 1-17 Earlham @ 1-17 Franklin... Franklin's only win was by 8 at Earlham earlier this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 28, 2016, 07:41:47 PM
Did you guys hack 'em enough in OT?

Manchester hit two threes then 14 straight points on free throws.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2016, 03:59:17 PM
Updated through games on 1/28

Undefeated (4)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
Whitworth
John Carroll

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (1)
Curry

Winless vs D3 (1)
Kalamazoo

^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 30, 2016, 06:32:36 PM
Franklin (1-18) now has a worse record than Earlham (2-17) thanks to the Quakers winning 76-72 over the Grizzlies today :'(
Am I going to have to select my Grizzlies in the winless next year? ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 30, 2016, 06:44:13 PM
Kalamazoo has come oh-so-close to beating #15 Alma not once but twice this season. On January 6 Alma squeaked by the Hornets by one in overtime in Kalamazoo, and today Alma prevailed by five at home in a game that wasn't decided until the final thirty seconds.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2016, 10:04:51 PM

With Wash & Jeff's resounding win over Chatham tonight, we have a winner in the winless contest.  None of us picked them, but the Curry Colonels are the last team without a victory.  Sorry guys.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 31, 2016, 12:36:14 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 30, 2016, 10:04:51 PM

With Wash & Jeff's resounding win over Chatham tonight, we have a winner in the winless contest.  None of us picked them, but the Curry Colonels are the last team without a victory.  Sorry guys.

I haz a sad.  :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2016, 06:22:44 AM

Updated through games on 2/2

Undefeated (3)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
John Carroll

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (1)
Curry

Winless vs D3 (1)
Kalamazoo

^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2016, 07:10:53 AM

Kalamazoo should get off the list soon.  They've been playing really well, but they must have royally pissed off the scheduler.  After tonight, they'll have played 9 conference games (of 14) and 6 of those 9 have been against Alma, Trine, Hope, and Calvin.  The end of the year should afford them opportunity to beat a d3 team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 04, 2016, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 03, 2016, 07:10:53 AM

Kalamazoo should get off the list soon.  They've been playing really well, but they must have royally pissed off the scheduler.  After tonight, they'll have played 9 conference games (of 14) and 6 of those 9 have been against Alma, Trine, Hope, and Calvin.  The end of the year should afford them opportunity to beat a d3 team.

The team I highlighted in your post may be one of the Hornet's opportunities to win.  They seem to struggle when they play at Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
Updated through games on 2/7

Undefeated (3)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine
John Carroll

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (1)
Curry

Winless vs D3 (1)
Kalamazoo

^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 08, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
It's time to see where our teams have the best chance to lose (or win):

Benedictine (94%) at Lakeland (2/20). They're almost 100% locks (Massey has them at 100% but I think that's rounding, there's always uncertainty) against their other two opponents.

John Carroll (52%) at Marietta (2/13). May be an unhappy Valentine's Day.

Lancaster Bible (79%) at Gaullaudet (2/19). The other four games are as locky as locks can be.

Curry (21%) vs. Western New England (2/10). If not there, there's a 14% they could beat Gordon.

Kalamazoo (34%) at Olivet (2/10). Their other chance may be Calvin (12%).



BTW - Curry's not dead last. They're #411 in Massey. Franciscan is last.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2016, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 08, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
It's time to see where our teams have the best chance to lose (or win):

Benedictine (94%) at Lakeland (2/20). They're almost 100% locks (Massey has them at 100% but I think that's rounding, there's always uncertainty) against their other two opponents.

John Carroll (52%) at Marietta (2/13). May be an unhappy Valentine's Day.

Lancaster Bible (79%) at Gaullaudet (2/19). The other four games are as locky as locks can be.

Curry (21%) vs. Western New England (2/10). If not there, there's a 14% they could beat Gordon.

Kalamazoo (34%) at Olivet (2/10). Their other chance may be Calvin (12%).



BTW - Curry's not dead last. They're #411 in Massey. Franciscan is last.

Curry's not even that bad.  I saw them in person at Thanksgiving and I thought they looked like a 6 or 7 win team.  Tough year to be a Colonel.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 10, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 08, 2016, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: smedindy on February 08, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
It's time to see where our teams have the best chance to lose (or win):

Benedictine (94%) at Lakeland (2/20). They're almost 100% locks (Massey has them at 100% but I think that's rounding, there's always uncertainty) against their other two opponents.

John Carroll (52%) at Marietta (2/13). May be an unhappy Valentine's Day.

Lancaster Bible (79%) at Gaullaudet (2/19). The other four games are as locky as locks can be.

Curry (21%) vs. Western New England (2/10). If not there, there's a 14% they could beat Gordon.

Kalamazoo (34%) at Olivet (2/10). Their other chance may be Calvin (12%).



BTW - Curry's not dead last. They're #411 in Massey. Franciscan is last.

Curry's not even that bad.  I saw them in person at Thanksgiving and I thought they looked like a 6 or 7 win team.  Tough year to be a Colonel.

You have to be rather unlucky, as well as untalented compared to your league, to go winless. Stuff and things happen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2016, 08:48:09 PM
Updated through games on 2/20

Undefeated (2)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (1)
Curry*


*End of season
^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2016, 05:15:39 PM
Updated through games on 2/20

Undefeated (2)
Lancaster Bible
Benedictine

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Nebraska Wesleyan^

Winless (1)
Curry*


*End of season
^Regular season schedule does to contain any more games capable of knocking them off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 20, 2016, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 20, 2016, 05:15:39 PM

Winless (1)
Curry*
:'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2016, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: sac on February 20, 2016, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 20, 2016, 05:15:39 PM

Winless (1)
Curry*
:'(
You're in danger of being demoted to major with a performance like that.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on February 23, 2016, 05:03:20 PM
Quote from: augie77 on January 26, 2016, 03:32:19 PM
I feel your pain, pg04.  My winless picks have been "big losers" in four of the past five years:

2012: Millikin: 1-24
2013: Knox: 1-22
2014: Knox:  1-22
2016: Martin Luther: 1-16 (so far)

Not once have I prevailed in the winless contest.  One more thing I lost was the right to claim my alma mater in this year's undefeated pool.  Mr. Ypsi picked Augustana (who finished second in this year's undefeated pool) at the stroke of midnight, beating me by an hour, when the contest entry started this year.  My hope now is no more losing  ;D

My Martin Luther Knights went 1-24, eking out a two point win versus Crown in January, so it's another near miss for me in the winless pool.

Curry finished 0-25.

Complete list of one win teams:
Franciscan 1-23
Washington and Jefferson 1-25
SUNY Potsdam  1-24
Martin Luther 1-24
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 23, 2016, 06:39:20 PM
It wasn't that long ago that Curry almost knocked off Middlebury in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2016, 08:33:30 PM
Wooster knocked off Lancaster Bible in the first round of the NCAA tournament. With Benedictine having a first-round bye, they have finally put this competition to rest: they are the last unbeaten team standing.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: pg04 on March 04, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
But the search for what Summit used to be called lives on.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on March 04, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Wasn't it Baptist Bible or something like that? My memory may be fading... ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on August 22, 2016, 01:58:28 PM
Hey all. What are the official rules for picking this year?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 22, 2016, 08:04:58 PM
Nov. 1 12:00:01 am Eastern time.

You can pick a team that's already taken, but you won't be as cool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 22, 2016, 08:21:12 PM
I believe provisional teams are allowed as long as they play a full D3 schedule (75%?).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on August 22, 2016, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 04, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
But the search for what Summit used to be called lives on.  ;)
Quote from: smedindy on March 04, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Wasn't it Baptist Bible or something like that? My memory may be fading... ;)

BTW. They changed the name again. It's now Clarks Summit University.  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on August 23, 2016, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: mailsy on August 22, 2016, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 04, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
But the search for what Summit used to be called lives on.  ;)
Quote from: smedindy on March 04, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Wasn't it Baptist Bible or something like that? My memory may be fading... ;)

BTW. They changed the name again. It's now Clarks Summit University.  ???

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc393%2Fibleed%2FSomethingRealNice1.jpg&hash=a7df920ade3e9b36ca9cf8d0b072a6aa5608be17)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on August 26, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 22, 2016, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 04, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
But the search for what Summit used to be called lives on.  ;)
Quote from: smedindy on March 04, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Wasn't it Baptist Bible or something like that? My memory may be fading... ;)

BTW. They changed the name again. It's now Clarks Summit University.  ???

They just don't want the jokes to stop, do they?

They're bordering on the Los Angeles Angles of Anaheim, California, USA, Earth foolishness.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on August 27, 2016, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: smedindy on August 26, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 22, 2016, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 04, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
But the search for what Summit used to be called lives on.  ;)
Quote from: smedindy on March 04, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Wasn't it Baptist Bible or something like that? My memory may be fading... ;)

BTW. They changed the name again. It's now Clarks Summit University.  ???

They just don't want the jokes to stop, do they?

They're bordering on the Los Angeles Angles of Anaheim, California, USA, Earth foolishness.

The reason they supposedly changed the name again is that there is another Summit University elsewhere in the country.

I don't see them changing again unless.... they find another place that's known as Clarks Summit and has a university or there is a local benefactor who leaves them a whole lot of money like Rowan University(once known as Glassboro State) did some years ago.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on August 27, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 27, 2016, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: smedindy on August 26, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 22, 2016, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 04, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
But the search for what Summit used to be called lives on.  ;)
Quote from: smedindy on March 04, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Wasn't it Baptist Bible or something like that? My memory may be fading... ;)

BTW. They changed the name again. It's now Clarks Summit University.  ???

They just don't want the jokes to stop, do they?

They're bordering on the Los Angeles Angles of Anaheim, California, USA, Earth foolishness.

The reason they supposedly changed the name again is that there is another Summit University elsewhere in the country.

I don't see them changing again unless.... they find another place that's known as Clarks Summit and has a university or there is a local benefactor who leaves them a whole lot of money like Rowan University(once known as Glassboro State) did some years ago.

You'd think they'd have checked the first time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on August 27, 2016, 08:20:41 PM
Having the same name doesn't stop the varoius St. (Insert Name Here). Nor did it stop Cornell. Or Pacific. Or even Miami.

I mean, they've already moved the ENTIRE COLLEGE once from NY to PA. Ya think anything will stop them from changing names again?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on August 27, 2016, 08:56:12 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on August 27, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 27, 2016, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: smedindy on August 26, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 22, 2016, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 04, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
But the search for what Summit used to be called lives on.  ;)
Quote from: smedindy on March 04, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Wasn't it Baptist Bible or something like that? My memory may be fading... ;)

BTW. They changed the name again. It's now Clarks Summit University.  ???

They just don't want the jokes to stop, do they?

They're bordering on the Los Angeles Angles of Anaheim, California, USA, Earth foolishness.

The reason they supposedly changed the name again is that there is another Summit University elsewhere in the country.

I don't see them changing again unless.... they find another place that's known as Clarks Summit and has a university or there is a local benefactor who leaves them a whole lot of money like Rowan University(once known as Glassboro State) did some years ago.

You'd think they'd have checked the first time.

They did. But they didn't think that it was going to be a big deal until the original Summit University sued them for name infringement.  ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 29, 2016, 02:13:27 PM
FYI - they are now named for the town they are in, Clark Summit, so I doubt we see another change. Who knows what was going on behind the scenes, but likely they were getting confused with the other Summit University.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on August 29, 2016, 02:19:32 PM
There were other schools called Baptist Bible, too. I have friends who attended Baptist Bible in Missouri and I don't think they even realized there was one near Scranton.

I suggest they change their name to St. Mary's or Trinity, just to make things really interesting. :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2016, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 29, 2016, 02:19:32 PM
There were other schools called Baptist Bible, too. I have friends who attended Baptist Bible in Missouri and I don't think they even realized there was one near Scranton.

I suggest they change their name to St. Mary's or Trinity, just to make things really interesting. :)

... or Concordia
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 29, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2016, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 29, 2016, 02:19:32 PM
There were other schools called Baptist Bible, too. I have friends who attended Baptist Bible in Missouri and I don't think they even realized there was one near Scranton.

I suggest they change their name to St. Mary's or Trinity, just to make things really interesting. :)

... or Concordia
perhaps Monmouth or Johnson & Wales?
My prediction is next they'll shorten their name to just Clark (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Clark/men/2015-16/index). I'm sure there'd be no problem with that ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 29, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2016, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 29, 2016, 02:19:32 PM
There were other schools called Baptist Bible, too. I have friends who attended Baptist Bible in Missouri and I don't think they even realized there was one near Scranton.

I suggest they change their name to St. Mary's or Trinity, just to make things really interesting. :)

... or Concordia

I wonder if there are more Concordias or Wesleyans?  (At least most of the Wesleyans have a state name right in the title to reduce confusion! ::))

I recall that there is a Concordia tourney.  A Wesleyan tourney could be quite a small college battle: Kentucky Wesleyan won some D2 national titles many years ago (no idea what they are like lately), and Virginia Wesleyan and Illinois Wesleyan are perennial powers in D3, as is Ohio Wesleyan at least some years.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are years where even an 8 team tourney could be VERY interesting!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on August 29, 2016, 09:18:11 PM
There are 20 American colleges or universities with Wesleyan in their name, vs 11 Concordia's.

Methodists win!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on August 29, 2016, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: sac on August 29, 2016, 09:18:11 PM
There are 20 American colleges or universities with Wesleyan in their name, vs 11 Concordia's.

Methodists win!

Well we know there are at least 2 colleges that have Summit in their name. That's how this whole thing got started.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 30, 2016, 07:12:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 29, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2016, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 29, 2016, 02:19:32 PM
There were other schools called Baptist Bible, too. I have friends who attended Baptist Bible in Missouri and I don't think they even realized there was one near Scranton.

I suggest they change their name to St. Mary's or Trinity, just to make things really interesting. :)

... or Concordia

I wonder if there are more Concordias or Wesleyans?  (At least most of the Wesleyans have a state name right in the title to reduce confusion! ::))

I recall that there is a Concordia tourney.  A Wesleyan tourney could be quite a small college battle: Kentucky Wesleyan won some D2 national titles many years ago (no idea what they are like lately), and Virginia Wesleyan and Illinois Wesleyan are perennial powers in D3, as is Ohio Wesleyan at least some years.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are years where even an 8 team tourney could be VERY interesting!

Indiana Wesleyan is #2 on that list behind Kentucky Wesleyan, which is still very formidable; the Panthers have won 20 or more games for the past five seasons in a row. As for Eye Woo, the Wildcats have won two of the last three NAIA-D2 national championships, and they've just added a transfer from Bradley who played in 26 games (with two starts) for the Braves as a freshman last season.

Quote from: sac on August 29, 2016, 09:18:11 PM
There are 20 American colleges or universities with Wesleyan in their name, vs 11 Concordia's.

Methodists win!

While all of the schools with "Wesleyan" in their name come out of the Methodist tradition, only two of the three denominations affiliated with "Wesleyan"-monikered schools explicitly call themselves "Methodists". The United Methodist Church, the Free Methodist Church, and the Wesleyan Church all have schools called ____ Wesleyan. And then there's the oldest of the schools named after the founder of Methodism, the NESCAC institution known as plain ol' Wesleyan University ... and that school has been secular and unaffiliated for generations. (The women's college in Georgia called Wesleyan College is a United Methodist affiliate.)

The Concordia situation is much less complicated. Ten of the U.S. colleges and universities that go by that name are affiliated with the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod. The lone Concordia that isn't LCMS is Concordia-Moorhead; the MIAC's Cobbers play for a school that is attached to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 30, 2016, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 30, 2016, 07:12:12 PM
... And then there's the oldest of the schools named after the founder of Methodism, the NESCAC institution known as plain ol' Wesleyan University ... and that school has been secular and unaffiliated for generations. (The women's college in Georgia called Wesleyan College is a United Methodist affiliate.)


Were John Wesley to ride up to that school now (on horseback surely, as he rode 20 miles per day for 40 years, 250,000 total), he would remove his name from the institution by sundown.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 30, 2016, 09:16:05 PM
Yep. And he probably wouldn't be very happy about having his name attached to some of those other schools, either.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: WUPHF on September 02, 2016, 11:49:08 AM
This is where I swoop in and take something a little too far, but I have been reading to many college histories lately and I cannot help myself.

Fun fact: the Methodists lost at least four Wesleyan colleges over the last century.  Two in Missouri including Missouri Wesleyan and both Montana Wesleyan and Michigan Wesleyan.  The Lutherans Missouri Synod lost one Concordia in Fort Wayne which is know part of Indiana Tech.  The Concordia College in Indiana was reportedly a basketball powerhouse (or Basket Ball powerhouse) back in the day but, you know, Indiana...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 02, 2016, 02:10:07 PM
There was also a Miltonvale Wesleyan College, located in Miltonvale, KS. It merged with Bartlesville Wesleyan College (Bartlesville, OK) in 1972.

Bartlesville Wesleyan changed its name a decade and a half ago to Oklahoma Wesleyan University. That disappointed me. Bartlesville Wesleyan easily had the most interesting name of all the Wesleyans.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on September 12, 2016, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 02, 2016, 02:10:07 PM
There was also a Miltonvale Wesleyan College, located in Miltonvale, KS. It merged with Bartlesville Wesleyan College (Bartlesville, OK) in 1972.

Bartlesville Wesleyan changed its name a decade and a half ago to Oklahoma Wesleyan University. That disappointed me. Bartlesville Wesleyan easily had the most interesting name of all the Wesleyans.

Ah, Bartlesville! Ah, humanity!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 27, 2016, 11:35:46 AM
Well, with less than a week to go before we can officially make our undefeated and winless picks, I started going through some teams. IF Albertus Magnus didn't open up against Babson, I probably would've picked them. Johnson & Wales loses their 2 big guns, so they shouldn't be a threat this year. With Lovell and Walters back, Albertus Magnus may be the team to beat in the weak GNAC.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on October 28, 2016, 04:07:37 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 27, 2016, 11:35:46 AM
Well, with less than a week to go before we can officially make our undefeated and winless picks, I started going through some teams. IF Albertus Magnus didn't open up against Babson, I probably would've picked them. Johnson & Wales loses their 2 big guns, so they shouldn't be a threat this year. With Lovell and Walters back, Albertus Magnus may be the team to beat in the weak GNAC.

I can also turn this around for your Greek: IF Albertus can beat Babson, they are probably going to be undefeated for a while.  It's just a matter of whether you want to take that chance or not.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on October 28, 2016, 05:06:09 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on September 12, 2016, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 02, 2016, 02:10:07 PM
There was also a Miltonvale Wesleyan College, located in Miltonvale, KS. It merged with Bartlesville Wesleyan College (Bartlesville, OK) in 1972.

Bartlesville Wesleyan changed its name a decade and a half ago to Oklahoma Wesleyan University. That disappointed me. Bartlesville Wesleyan easily had the most interesting name of all the Wesleyans.

Ah, Bartlesville! Ah, humanity!

I'm sorry I missed this reference, but I preferred not to view this board.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 28, 2016, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: 7express on October 28, 2016, 04:07:37 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 27, 2016, 11:35:46 AM
Well, with less than a week to go before we can officially make our undefeated and winless picks, I started going through some teams. IF Albertus Magnus didn't open up against Babson, I probably would've picked them. Johnson & Wales loses their 2 big guns, so they shouldn't be a threat this year. With Lovell and Walters back, Albertus Magnus may be the team to beat in the weak GNAC.

I can also turn this around for your Greek: IF Albertus can beat Babson, they are probably going to be undefeated for a while.  It's just a matter of whether you want to take that chance or not.

True enough. Back in 2005, I wanted to pick Lawrence but they played preseason #2 Oshkosh, so I picked someone else. Low and behold, Lawrence beat Oshkosh and went on have an undefeated regular season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2016, 12:00:01 AM
I generally do terribly at this so everyone bet on Babson in game 1
And I'll stick close to home for my winless even though they have a shot at wins early

Undefeated: Albertus Magnus
Winless: Earlham
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2016, 12:00:05 AM
Unbeaten: Christopher Newport St. Norbert
Winless: Martin Luther
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 01, 2016, 12:01:15 AM
Undefeated Whitman
Winless Fontbonne
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2016, 12:04:05 AM
I saw you wanted Albertus express... you know you can't be that slow and still get your choice :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2016, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2016, 12:04:05 AM
I saw you wanted Albertus express... you know you can't be that slow and still get your choice :D

I think it was Greek that wanted Albertus....I know he was debating it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 01, 2016, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: 7express on November 01, 2016, 12:00:05 AM
Unbeaten: Christopher Newport
Winless: Martin Luther

And we already have a change.

Unbeaten: St. Norbert.  Forgot Newport was going to the Hoopsville classic.  St. Norbs schedule looks like a joke.

I'll keep my winless pick.......for now but of course that is subject to change between now and midnight on November 15.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2016, 12:20:24 AM
Undefeated: St. Norbert
Winless: Otterbein

The Green Knights will have three fairly tough road games early on (UWEC, Benedictine, and UWO), but if they can get through them I don't see them being challenged by anybody else on the sked.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2016, 12:22:43 AM
Dang it! Beaten by four minutes!

OK.

Undefeated: Lancaster Bible
Winless: Otterbein

Just gotta get past that opener against F&M.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2016, 01:13:00 AM
Undefeated    Babson
Winless     St. Elizabeth
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2016, 01:42:03 AM
I wasn't going Albertus Magnus with that game against Babson. However, I was gonna go St. Norbert. Now I have some thinking to do.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 01, 2016, 02:36:38 AM
Didn't expect either one of these teams to still be available so I'll take them.

Undefeated: Amherst
Winless: Franciscan(Ohio)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2016, 07:40:05 AM
Undefeated: Christopher Newport

Winless: Washington and Jefferson

Stevens Point should be infinitely better than last year, but I still don't see them beating CNU. Marietta should be a battle, but CNU should be favored and win that game.

Bsides, it's a win-win situation. IF they beat Point, I'm still alive in the pool. If Point wins, well then, Point wins!

I didn't take Albertus Magnus because they play Babson early. It's one thing beating up on fellow GNACers, but another topping Babson.

I didn't want Babson because they play Tufts and Amherst early.

I didn't want Amherst because of the Babson game.

I amlost took Tufts since they don't play Amherst until February, but they play Babson at the beginning of December.

I was in bed by 9:30 central time, woke up later to post my disappointment that St. Norbert was taken. OH well. It happens.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2016, 08:16:23 AM

So, I'm going out on a limb here and take Swarthmore.  They bring back basically their whole starting five, losing only two rotation players and getting Chris Bourne back, their best player, who went out with injury in game 13 last year.  Plus, they went on a Europe trip this summer, so the rust should be less.  The schedule is pretty easy early on - with only a home game against a re-calibrating Dickinson and potential matchup with Roanoke in the championship game of a home holiday tournament.

It's not necessarily an easy road, but its not super difficult and they've got the team to do it.  This will be the third straight year with this starting five, a great coach, and some real winning experience.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 01, 2016, 08:19:23 AM
Undefeated: St. Thomas
Winless: Luther
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HOPEful on November 01, 2016, 09:15:41 AM
Undefeated: Whitman
Winless: Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2016, 09:27:39 AM
Whitman is taken. You can also have them, but you won't be as cool as augie77 if they win the pool.

Quote from: HOPEful on November 01, 2016, 09:15:41 AM
Undefeated: Whitman
Winless: Olivet

Quote from: augie77 on November 01, 2016, 12:01:15 AM
Undefeated Whitman
Winless Fontbonne
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HOPEful on November 01, 2016, 09:48:32 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2016, 09:27:39 AM
Whitman is taken. You can also have them, but you won't be as cool as augie77 if they win the pool.

My bad!

Undefeated: Whitman Susquehanna
Winless: Olivet
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 01, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Undefeated: Ohio Wesleyan

Winless: Rivier
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 04, 2016, 10:42:30 PM
I believe this is the current picks... just wanted to get them all in one place for easy viewing

Undefeated
Albertus Magnus - FCGG
St Norbert - 7express
Whitman - augie77
Lancaster Bible - Greg Sager
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Christopher Newport - Greek Tragedy
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan
St Thomas - KnightSlappy
Susquehanna - HOPEful
Ohio Wesleyan - smedindy

Winless
Earlham - FCGG
Martin Luther - 7express
Fontbonne - augie77
Otterbein - Greg Sager
St Elizabeth - hopefan
Franciscan (OH) - magicman
Washington & Jefferson - Greek Tragedy
Luther - KnightSlappy
Olivet - HOPEful
Rivier - smedindy
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 05, 2016, 11:08:03 AM
Hope we get a few more in the next week. I think we had 18 or so last year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2016, 12:14:58 PM
 I'll repeat my choices from last year:

Undefeated - Scranton

Winless - Wilson   It may come down to the loser of Wilson-St. Elizabeth
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 05, 2016, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 05, 2016, 12:14:58 PM
I'll repeat my choices from last year:

Undefeated - Scranton

Winless - Wilson   It may come down to the loser of Wilson-St. Elizabeth

Nope, St. Elizabeth plays a ton of terrible non-d3 teams.  They'll get several wins, I suspect.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 05, 2016, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 05, 2016, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 05, 2016, 12:14:58 PM
I'll repeat my choices from last year:

Undefeated - Scranton

Winless - Wilson   It may come down to the loser of Wilson-St. Elizabeth

Nope, St. Elizabeth plays a ton of terrible non-d3 teams.  They'll get several wins, I suspect.

Ouch.. I'm afraid Hoops fan is right... I didn't notice that the D3 hoops sched is missing a couple of games on St. Elizabeth's schedule... notably the King's College  (NYC, not Pa.) and Pratt... King's is St. liz's opener... I'm no longer confident in my selection, but won't change now... :( :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 09, 2016, 03:51:30 PM
FC Grizzlies may want to change his Albertus Magnus pick. Sounds like Shontaey Lovell is no longer with the team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2016, 09:17:59 PM
If its eligible, I'll switch my winless to New Rochelle.

I'll stick with my original pick of Washington & Jefferson.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 11, 2016, 04:53:11 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2016, 09:17:59 PM
If its eligible, I'll switch my winless to New Rochelle.

First time in 112 years they have ever had a Men's basketball team.  They play in a non D3 conference. Do they have dual affiliation?  Maybe hopefan knows...he does all the D3 vs non D3 stuff.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2016, 07:36:31 AM
They added men's basketball like St. Elizabeth did and I was told they are eligible.  I know New Rochelle is a d3 independent. But Nebraska Wesleyan was d3 eligible last year.

I'm not going to put up a fight over it. No big deal. If they aren't eligible, I will stick with my original pick.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 11, 2016, 09:50:58 AM
Yes.. they are real... The Women's team has been a D3 independent... that means the men get right in.. just like St. Elizabeth... but just like St. Elizabeth, they play a couple of weak non D teams that will enhance their shot at a win.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 11, 2016, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2016, 07:36:31 AM
They added men's basketball like St. Elizabeth did and I was told they are eligible.  I know New Rochelle is a d3 independent. But Nebraska Wesleyan was d3 eligible last year.

I'm not going to put up a fight over it. No big deal. If they aren't eligible, I will stick with my original pick.

Quote from: hopefan on November 11, 2016, 09:50:58 AM
Yes.. they are real... The Women's team has been a D3 independent... that means the men get right in.. just like St. Elizabeth... but just like St. Elizabeth, they play a couple of weak non D teams that will enhance their shot at a win.....

So Greek, it looks like they're eligible. As hopefan states "like St. Elizabeth, they play a couple of weak non D3 teams that will enhance their shot at a win". They also play a certain weak D3 team that may enhance their shot at a win...none other than hopefan's winless St. Elizabeth  pick.  ;D  On November 22nd in New Rochelle the Blue Angels will host the Eagles of St. Elizabeth. One of you guys will make a very early exit. :D

we'll see which coach was the better recruiter. LOL 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2016, 12:51:16 PM
Undefeated.  Hardin-Simmons looks like the best choice from this part of the country.

Trinity TX might pick up a loss at CWRU on the first weekend.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 11, 2016, 01:45:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2016, 09:17:59 PM
If its eligible, I'll switch my winless to New Rochelle.

I'll stick with my original pick of Washington & Jefferson.

Didn't like that November 22nd game did you? :o ;D :D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2016, 01:51:31 PM
I knew that game was on the schedule, I just didn't want to 2nd guess my pick for the 1st time ever!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 11, 2016, 02:08:12 PM
I was surprised when you did so as you have never been known to flip flop back and forth.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 14, 2016, 08:14:01 PM
I guess I'll change my pick... watch Albertus have a great year now :P
My curse will now fall on Southern Vermont
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 14, 2016, 08:18:52 PM
Who's actually running this because I'm just trying to keep it organized

Undefeated
St Norbert - 7express
Whitman - augie77
Lancaster Bible - Greg Sager
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Christopher Newport - Greek Tragedy
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan
St Thomas - KnightSlappy
Susquehanna - HOPEful
Ohio Wesleyan - smedindy
Scranton - ronk
Hardin-Simmons - Ralph Turner
Southern Vermont - FCGG

Winless
Earlham - FCGG
Martin Luther - 7express
Fontbonne - augie77
Otterbein - Greg Sager
St Elizabeth - hopefan
Franciscan (OH) - magicman
Washington & Jefferson - Greek Tragedy
Luther - KnightSlappy
Olivet - HOPEful
Rivier - smedindy
Wilson - ronk
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on November 15, 2016, 11:16:32 AM
Winless---Curry

Owners of the current longest losing streak in D3, but I don't have great confidence that will continue much longer with what looks to be a more win friendly schedule.  If they make it to Christmas still in contention I'll be happy, then its the gauntlet of Maine-Presque Isle and Maine-Maritime that could spell doom for either them or me.


Winfull---Wooster

Kind of banking on Wooster pulling off a tough win at Marietta, otherwise this might be a short lived pick.  All of the other Midwestern teams I would have chosen have pretty difficult schedules full of landmines.  This is dart throwing really. 

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NCF on November 15, 2016, 12:47:59 PM
Undefeated: Middlebury

Winless:Belhaven
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2016, 01:18:21 PM
This kind of runs itself. I think this board is a sentient being all its own.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 15, 2016, 08:57:06 PM
Eau Claire beats Norbs so for the second straight year my unbeaten goes out in complete 🔥night 1.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 16, 2016, 08:19:26 AM
See you all next November.

St. Thomas
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 12:00:36 PM
Who's actually running this because I'm just trying to keep it organized

hopefan will run it    ;)      And after just 1 day, it's painfully obvious that our expertise lies with losers, not winners!!  ;D


Undefeated
Whitman - augie77
Lancaster Bible - Greg Sager
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Christopher Newport - Greek Tragedy
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan
Ohio Wesleyan - smedindy
Scranton - ronk
Middlebury - NCF
Wooster - Sac
St Norbert - 7express   St. Norbert loses to UW-Eau Claire   67-68 on 11/15
St Thomas - KnightSlappy   St. Thomas loses to UW-River Falls  65-74 on 11/15
Susquehanna - HOPEful   Susquehanna loses to Misericordia 116-120 on 11/15
Hardin-Simmons - Ralph Turner  Hardin-Simmons loses to Southwestern  95-97 0n 11/15
Southern Vermont - FCGG  -Southern Vermont loses to Keene State 60-87 on 11/15



Winless
Earlham - FCGG
Martin Luther - 7express
Fontbonne - augie77
Otterbein - Greg Sager
St Elizabeth - hopefan
Franciscan (OH) - magicman
Washington & Jefferson - Greek Tragedy
Luther - KnightSlappy
Olivet - HOPEful
Rivier - smedindy
Wilson - ronk
Belhaven - NCF
Curry - Sac

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2016, 01:40:04 PM
I'm hoping to get knocked out Friday.  ???  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HOPEful on November 16, 2016, 02:13:06 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 12:00:36 PM
And after just 1 day, it's painfully obvious that our expertise lies with losers, not winners!!  ;D

And there are many many more terrible teams than there are elite teams to choose from.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 16, 2016, 02:13:06 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 12:00:36 PM
And after just 1 day, it's painfully obvious that our expertise lies with losers, not winners!!  ;D

And there are many many more terrible teams than there are elite teams to choose from.

Not necessarily... it may seem that way, but over the years the number remaining winless has been pretty level with remaining undefeated week by week... We usually start showing them in mid to late December, apart from the contest....  it just seems more difficult to pick a team that will go long without getting beat, but simple math tells you there is as many losses as their are wins out there... ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2016, 07:37:27 PM
I managed to switch from a team that lost night one (Albertus Magnus) to another team that lost night one (S Vermont). One of these years I'm going to pick a team that makes it to December
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 10:31:24 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2016, 07:37:27 PM
I managed to switch from a team that lost night one (Albertus Magnus) to another team that lost night one (S Vermont). One of these years I'm going to pick a team that makes it to December

It's a tough first two weeks, grizz...  :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 11:23:44 PM
NCF out of winless bracket with Belhaven win

Undefeated
Whitman - augie77
Lancaster Bible - Greg Sager
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Christopher Newport - Greek Tragedy
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan
Ohio Wesleyan - smedindy
Scranton - ronk
Middlebury - NCF
Wooster - Sac
St Norbert - 7express   St. Norbert loses to UW-Eau Claire   67-68 on 11/15
St Thomas - KnightSlappy   St. Thomas loses to UW-River Falls  65-74 on 11/15
Susquehanna - HOPEful   Susquehanna loses to Misericordia 116-120 on 11/15
Hardin-Simmons - Ralph Turner  Hardin-Simmons loses to Southwestern  95-97 0n 11/15
Southern Vermont - FCGG  -Southern Vermont loses to Keene State 60-87 on 11/15



Winless
Earlham - FCGG
Martin Luther - 7express
Fontbonne - augie77
Otterbein - Greg Sager
St Elizabeth - hopefan
Franciscan (OH) - magicman
Washington & Jefferson - Greek Tragedy
Luther - KnightSlappy
Olivet - HOPEfulRivier - smedindy
Wilson - ronk
Curry - Sac
Belhaven - NCF  Belhaven beats Millsaps 85-76 on 11/16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2016, 11:38:02 PM
Do we have the times when the games ended to see who actually lost first?  ???  ;D :P  ::)

I'm guessing Southern Vermont since they are out on the East Coast and Susquehanna went 2 OTs to lose. St. Norbert and St. Thomas were in the Central time zone and Hardin-Simons is Mountain time?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 17, 2016, 02:13:12 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2016, 11:38:02 PM
Do we have the times when the games ended to see who actually lost first?  ???  ;D :P  ::)

I'm guessing Southern Vermont since they are out on the East Coast and Susquehanna went 2 OTs to lose. St. Norbert and St. Thomas were in the Central time zone and Hardin-Simons is Mountain time?

Not sure if Susquehanna was playing a single game or a double header with the women.  The SVC/Keene game was game 2 of a Keene double header.  Women's game ran long, so this game didn't end until about 9:40.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 07:17:10 AM

Texas is on Central Time (except a little corner out by El Paso, but I don't think we have any d3s that far).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 17, 2016, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2016, 07:37:27 PM
I managed to switch from a team that lost night one (Albertus Magnus) to another team that lost night one (S Vermont). One of these years I'm going to pick a team that makes it to December

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGDo1Jybs_I
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2016, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 17, 2016, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2016, 07:37:27 PM
I managed to switch from a team that lost night one (Albertus Magnus) to another team that lost night one (S Vermont). One of these years I'm going to pick a team that makes it to December

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGDo1Jybs_I

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F04%2Fgolf-clap.gif&hash=2fa0d8929bcddc9a2b8828ca6829c7f4f8ca699b)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 17, 2016, 10:13:15 PM
My Fontbonne Griffins survived their first "winless" test with a 100-27 loss to Missouri State.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on November 18, 2016, 12:05:38 AM
Quote from: augie77 on November 17, 2016, 10:13:15 PM
My Fontbonne Griffins survived their first "winless" test with a 100-27 loss to Missouri State.

Got you sweating a bit over there huh augie??   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2016, 07:29:26 AM
Quote from: augie77 on November 17, 2016, 10:13:15 PM
My Fontbonne Griffins survived their first "winless" test with a 100-27 loss to Missouri State.

You had no worries at all Augie.. Even if Fontbonne had pulled the all time major upset... it was an exhibition game!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 18, 2016, 10:51:15 AM
So both my undefeated and winless teams are 0-0.  I'd say that's great picking!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2016, 11:25:35 PM
Lancaster Bible lost a nailbiter to F&M. So my gamble that LBC could go on a long winning streak if they could get past the Dips ends up a snake-eyes roll, and, as usual, I crapped out early in the undefeated portion of this contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2016, 09:02:47 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2016, 11:25:35 PM
Lancaster Bible lost a nailbiter to F&M. So my gamble that LBC could go on a long winning streak if they could get past the Dips ends up a snake-eyes roll, and, as usual, I crapped out early in the undefeated portion of this contest.

LBC embarrassed F&M last year - even with the terrible team they have this year, Dips weren't losing this one.  Scary close, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2016, 10:17:21 AM
After losing their starting 5, I thought Lancaster Bible would have been the terrible team this year.  ???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2016, 10:29:22 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2016, 10:17:21 AM
After losing their starting 5, I thought Lancaster Bible would have been the terrible team this year.  ???

Never underestimate how terrible F&M became.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2016, 11:03:57 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2016, 10:17:21 AM
After losing their starting 5, I thought Lancaster Bible would have been the terrible team this year.  ???

I picked them because of their terrible schedule, not because of their returning cast.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2016, 11:50:05 AM
Greg Sager and Lancaster Bible eliminated from undefeated

Undefeated
Whitman - augie77
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Christopher Newport - Greek Tragedy
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan
Ohio Wesleyan - smedindy
Scranton - ronk
Middlebury - NCF
Wooster - Sac
Lancaster Bible - Greg Sager  Lancaster Bible loses to F&M 91-94 on 11/18
St Norbert - 7express   St. Norbert loses to UW-Eau Claire   67-68 on 11/15
St Thomas - KnightSlappy   St. Thomas loses to UW-River Falls  65-74 on 11/15
Susquehanna - HOPEful   Susquehanna loses to Misericordia 116-120 on 11/15
Hardin-Simmons - Ralph Turner  Hardin-Simmons loses to Southwestern  95-97 0n 11/15
Southern Vermont - FCGG -Southern Vermont loses to Keene State 60-87 on 11/15

Griz eliminated from winless as Earlham wins

Winless
Martin Luther - 7express
Fontbonne - augie77
Otterbein - Greg Sager
St Elizabeth - hopefan
Franciscan (OH) - magicman
Washington & Jefferson - Greek Tragedy
Luther - KnightSlappy
Olivet - HOPEful
Rivier - smedindy
Wilson - ronk
Curry - Sac
Earlham - FCGG   Earlham beats D'Youville 62-59 on 11/18
Belhaven - NCF  Belhaven beats Millsaps 85-76 on 11/16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2016, 07:00:39 PM
Ah, when in doubt, don't pick against the AMCC in the winless contest...they'll find a way to lose a game to your team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 19, 2016, 07:03:14 PM
I must self-report. I did not know Rivier was playing Unity in a tournament. You all can guess what happened...

Damn hippies:

http://www.rivierathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20161118_g7zk.xml
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2016, 10:38:03 PM
St. Elizabeth is now 1-0 in its history.. they beat The King's College 80-65... and hopefan is out of the winless contest
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2016, 11:27:38 PM
I'm taking my ball and going home...bye bye.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2016, 04:55:35 AM
Greek Tragedy and Christopher Newport eliminated

Undefeated
Whitman - augie77
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan
Ohio Wesleyan - smedindy
Scranton - ronk
Middlebury - NCF
Wooster - Sac
Christopher Newport - Greek Tragedy Christopher Newport loses to Marietta 50-74 on 11/19
Lancaster Bible - Greg Sager  Lancaster Bible loses to F&M 91-94 on 11/18
St Norbert - 7express   St. Norbert loses to UW-Eau Claire   67-68 on 11/15
St Thomas - KnightSlappy   St. Thomas loses to UW-River Falls  65-74 on 11/15
Susquehanna - HOPEful   Susquehanna loses to Misericordia 116-120 on 11/15
Hardin-Simmons - Ralph Turner  Hardin-Simmons loses to Southwestern  95-97 0n 11/15
Southern Vermont - FCGG -Southern Vermont loses to Keene State 60-87 on 11/15

Carnage in the winless group!!

Winless
Fontbonne - augie77
Franciscan (OH) - magicman
Washington & Jefferson - Greek Tragedy
Luther - KnightSlappy
Wilson - ronk
Curry - Sac
Martin Luther - 7express - Martin Luther beats Maranatha 75-74 on 11/19
Otterbein - Greg Sager - Otterbein Beats John Jay 69-60 0n 11/19
St Elizabeth - hopefan - St. Elizabeth Beats The King's College 80-65 on 11/19
Olivet - HOPEful -Olivet beats Robert Morris Peoria 99-89 on 11/19
Rivier - smedindy - Rivier beats Unity 107-63 on 11/18
Earlham - FCGG   Earlham beats D'Youville 62-59 on 11/18
Belhaven - NCF  Belhaven beats Millsaps 85-76 on 11/16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 20, 2016, 07:38:53 AM
My Franciscan Barons have dropped their first three games by healthy margins. They won 1 game last year and that was against Mount Aloysius by 2 points. They won't host the Mount until January 18th. That may be the first chance they have for a win.

Amherst has started strong but the big game looming is Babson on December 12th where I will go head to head with my friend, hopefan. I'm glad the game is at Amherst. Tough to go to their house and win. Both teams should remain undefeated until that big matchup.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2016, 01:58:20 PM

I never did pick a winless team, but if I were picking now, I think Wash&Jeff would be the right choice.  Wow they're bad.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 20, 2016, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2016, 01:58:20 PM

I never did pick a winless team, but if I were picking now, I think Wash&Jeff would be the right choice.  Wow they're bad.

You can hang with the cool person if you want.  ;D  :P
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 20, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
W & J are 3-49 the last two years. They were .500 in 2013. Still don't know what happened.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2016, 07:10:46 AM
no contest changes from 11/20 games ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2016, 10:30:07 PM
 Scranton keeps me alive in the undefeated side; after blowing a 13-pt halftime lead gainst Cabrini and falling behind by 8, they went up by 2 with the shot clock off, gave up a 3 in the final seconds, yet won with a buzzer-beater.
But Wilson eliminates me from the winless race by defeating Cedar Crest 79-71.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2016, 11:09:11 PM
Video feed crappednout on me with 25 seconds left...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2016, 11:11:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2016, 11:09:11 PM
Video feed crappednout on me with 25 seconds left...

yes, i missed the buzzer-beater.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2016, 08:40:20 AM
Just a point of interest... in a battle of first year D3 programs, College of New Rochelle beats St. Elizabeth  93-87
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2016, 09:11:45 AM
SmedIndy and Ohio Wesleyan eliminated

Undefeated
Whitman - augie77
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan
Scranton - ronk
Middlebury - NCF
Wooster - Sac
Ohio Wesleyan - smedindy  Ohio Wesleyan loses to Capital 76-82 on 11/22
Christopher Newport - Greek Tragedy Christopher Newport loses to Marietta 50-74 on 11/19
Lancaster Bible - Greg Sager  Lancaster Bible loses to F&M 91-94 on 11/18
St Norbert - 7express   St. Norbert loses to UW-Eau Claire   67-68 on 11/15
St Thomas - KnightSlappy   St. Thomas loses to UW-River Falls  65-74 on 11/15
Susquehanna - HOPEful   Susquehanna loses to Misericordia 116-120 on 11/15
Hardin-Simmons - Ralph Turner  Hardin-Simmons loses to Southwestern  95-97 0n 11/15
Southern Vermont - FCGG -Southern Vermont loses to Keene State 60-87 on 11/15

Winless
Fontbonne - augie77
Franciscan (OH) - magicman
Washington & Jefferson - Greek Tragedy
Luther - KnightSlappy
Wilson - ronk
Curry - Sac
Martin Luther - 7express - Martin Luther beats Maranatha 75-74 on 11/19
Otterbein - Greg Sager - Otterbein Beats John Jay 69-60 0n 11/19
St Elizabeth - hopefan - St. Elizabeth Beats The King's College 80-65 on 11/19
Olivet - HOPEful -Olivet beats Robert Morris Peoria 99-89 on 11/19
Rivier - smedindy - Rivier beats Unity 107-63 on 11/18
Earlham - FCGG   Earlham beats D'Youville 62-59 on 11/18
Belhaven - NCF  Belhaven beats Millsaps 85-76 on 11/16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2016, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 22, 2016, 10:30:07 PM
Scranton keeps me alive in the undefeated side; after blowing a 13-pt halftime lead gainst Cabrini and falling behind by 8, they went up by 2 with the shot clock off, gave up a 3 in the final seconds, yet won with a buzzer-beater.
But Wilson eliminates me from the winless race by defeating Cedar Crest 79-71.

;D Ronk... think about it... what's wrong with the above statement????

Hint... I can't seem to find that score on the Men's board.... ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 23, 2016, 01:37:21 PM
Ronk, that was a women's score, not a mens. The men of Wilson don't play again to the 30th.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 23, 2016, 01:37:21 PM
Ronk, that was a women's score, not a mens. The men of Wilson don't play again to the 30th.
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2016, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 22, 2016, 10:30:07 PM
Scranton keeps me alive in the undefeated side; after blowing a 13-pt halftime lead gainst Cabrini and falling behind by 8, they went up by 2 with the shot clock off, gave up a 3 in the final seconds, yet won with a buzzer-beater.
But Wilson eliminates me from the winless race by defeating Cedar Crest 79-71.

;D Ronk... think about it... what's wrong with the above statement????

Hint... I can't seem to find that score on the Men's board.... ;) ;) ;)

You guys are right; maybe I ought to be eliminated for falsely thinking I was eliminated. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on November 26, 2016, 09:52:54 PM
Wooster falls from the Undefeated ranks losing to Marietta 99-70 on 11-23.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2016, 06:47:22 AM
Sac and Wooster eliminated, then NCF and Middlebury eliminated

Undefeated (5 Remain)
Whitman - augie77
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan
Scranton - ronk

Middlebury - NCF Middlebury loses to Endicott 89-93 on 11/27
Wooster - Sac  Wooster loses to Marietta on 11/23
Ohio Wesleyan - smedindy  Ohio Wesleyan loses to Capital 76-82 on 11/22
Christopher Newport - Greek Tragedy Christopher Newport loses to Marietta 50-74 on 11/19
Lancaster Bible - Greg Sager  Lancaster Bible loses to F&M 91-94 on 11/18
St Norbert - 7express   St. Norbert loses to UW-Eau Claire   67-68 on 11/15
St Thomas - KnightSlappy   St. Thomas loses to UW-River Falls  65-74 on 11/15
Susquehanna - HOPEful   Susquehanna loses to Misericordia 116-120 on 11/15
Hardin-Simmons - Ralph Turner  Hardin-Simmons loses to Southwestern  95-97 0n 11/15
Southern Vermont - FCGG -Southern Vermont loses to Keene State 60-87 on 11/15


Knightslappy and Luther eliminated

Winless (5 Remain)
Fontbonne - augie77
Franciscan (OH) - magicman
Washington & Jefferson - Greek Tragedy
Wilson - ronk
Curry - Sac

Luther - KnightSlappy  Luther beats UW-Lacrosse 67-58 on 11/28   this is the stunner of the year!!
Martin Luther - 7express - Martin Luther beats Maranatha 75-74 on 11/19
Otterbein - Greg Sager - Otterbein Beats John Jay 69-60 0n 11/19
St Elizabeth - hopefan - St. Elizabeth Beats The King's College 80-65 on 11/19
Olivet - HOPEful -Olivet beats Robert Morris Peoria 99-89 on 11/19
Rivier - smedindy - Rivier beats Unity 107-63 on 11/18
Earlham - FCGG   Earlham beats D'Youville 62-59 on 11/18
Belhaven - NCF  Belhaven beats Millsaps 85-76 on 11/16
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2016, 07:44:11 AM
Yeah, that Luther game is a head scratcher. They had lost ever game by double-digits, including 30 to Platteville. La Crosse had won every game by double-digits, including a 45-point win over MacMurray last time out.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2016, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2016, 07:44:11 AM
Yeah, that Luther game is a head scratcher. They had lost ever game by double-digits, including 30 to Platteville. La Crosse had won every game by double-digits, including a 45-point win over MacMurray last time out.

My thought is this was a total 'we don't have to worry about these guys' game... UW-Lax crushed Webster and MacMurray in St. Louis and probably came into the Luther game figuring another lower level opponent would be a cakewalk... add to that the long trip home from St. Louis, lay around watching football all day Sunday... it's hard to be prepared for that Monday game...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2016, 07:24:34 PM
It's an even bigger head-scratcher for me, because I've seen Luther. Folks, the Norse just aren't any good.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 29, 2016, 07:35:54 PM
There was just a nine percent chance.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2016, 08:24:59 AM

Earlham has three wins already this year.  They had only two last season and no more than 8 in any year in the last decade.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2016, 02:56:00 PM
As I noted in the CCIW room, we all missed on Millikin and Knox :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 30, 2016, 03:26:29 PM
I picked Millikin and Knox for "winless" in back to back years (2012 and 2013).  I came close with both of those one win teams.  Millikin seemed to be turning things round in recent years, but it's now clear the wheels have come off.

I recall that Millikin's one win was by a single point against Cornell, and then Knox' win the next year was also against Cornell!.

This year I'm going with Fontbonne--still think they have a chance to run the table with L's.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Not only did I lose out by picking Otterbein as my winless choice, I see that last night the Cardinals beat Ohio Wesleyan in a game in which Otterbein led for the last 38 minutes. I still don't expect Otterbein to go anywhere, but I note that OWU has now lost three straight and I have to wonder who put the itching powder in the robes of the Battling Bishops.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 30, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Is Knox competent at anything but soccer?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2016, 05:17:51 PM
Nope. The last Knox team to finish in the top four in the MWC in anything besides men's or women's soccer was all the way back in 2012-13, when the Prairie Fire baseball team finished second in the MWC South Division. And even that squad went 16-19 overall for the season, so it's not as though they, um, set the diamond on fire.

Great academic school ... but that only gets you just so far in a conversation about a league that has several great academic schools.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2016, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: augie77 on November 30, 2016, 03:26:29 PM
I picked Millikin and Knox for "winless" in back to back years (2012 and 2013).  I came close with both of those one win teams.  Millikin seemed to be turning things round in recent years, but it's now clear the wheels have come off.

I recall that Millikin's one win was by a single point against Cornell, and then Knox' win the next year was also against Cornell!.

This year I'm going with Fontbonne--still think they have a chance to run the table with L's.

Fontbonne is a great pick... they were not going to be very good anyway, then they have had injury problems taking out 3  potential starters... the games you'll need to watch are with MacMurray.. it just came out that Mac's starting point guard is out for the season, and they are also winless... I'd expect Mac to beat the Griffs, but it could be close....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2016, 08:59:50 PM
 Scranton(ronk) falls from the undefeated @ Hobart 70-58. 10 turnovers and missing all 10 3-pt attempts in the 2nd half wasted an 11-pt 1st half lead.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2016, 12:15:26 AM
Undefeated action

Bates    53    No. 2 Babson    87
Scranton    58    Hobart    70    ronk says goodbye

Undefeated Pool is down to the Final Four:
Whitman - augie77
Babson - hopefan
Amherst - magicman
Swarthmore - Hoops Fan



The 5 remaining winless teams were all winless again last night.

Franciscan (Ohio) 67    La Roche    103  magicman
Wilson  67   Penn State-Abington    73  ronk
Geneva 62    Washington and Jefferson    50  Greek Tragedy
Fontbonne 69    Westminster (Mo.)    94  augie77
Curry    56    No. 24 Endicott    85  sac
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2016, 07:40:39 AM

I'm going to Swarthmore's matchup with Dickinson on Saturday - and I'm usually bad luck for the home team.  I guess I'm jinxing myself.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2016, 08:24:59 AM

Earlham has three wins already this year.  They had only two last season and no more than 8 in any year in the last decade.

Stout's history isn't as bad, but they have 4 wins this year. They had 3 last year and 3 the previous year while going 0-30 in the WIAC in that span.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
ok Magic... here's the game plan... we get a Dickinson win over Swarthmore, and a Whitworth win over Whitman on 12/6... and it's the 2 seniors vying for the undefeated championship on 12/8  hopefan (Babson) vs magicman (Amherst)   ...woohoo!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
ok Magic... here's the game plan... we get a Dickinson win over Swarthmore, and a Whitworth win over Whitman on 12/6... and it's the 2 seniors vying for the undefeated championship on 12/8  hopefan (Babson) vs magicman (Amherst)   ...woohoo!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

hopefan,
I like that idea. It has all the makings of a well thought out plan that has real possibilities. I certainly hope we can get a little magic and have it fall into place. Of course, we know all about the best laid plans stuff and how that usually works out.  ::)

Amherst has games against Emerson this Saturday, then plays Brandeis next Tuesday, December 6th, and on paper, should win those games. Babson, however, could run into a stumbling block along the way. They play in a 4 team tournament at Brandeis tomorrow and Saturday. They meet Salem State on Friday while the host team, Brandeis, takes on Tufts. If things go as I think they will, Tufts and Babson will square off on Saturday for the title game of the Big Four Challenge. Tufts may be better than either Babson or Amherst.

The Jumbos now have the services of last year's leading scorer, Vinny Pace back. Pace didn't see any action the first 2 games of the season, as he was recovering from a knee injury that took him out of last year's NCAA tournament about 20 seconds after it started. He played 20 minutes off the bench for his first action of the year back on Nov. 22nd and led the Jumbos with 15 points and 6 boards as they beat MIT 74-66. He had a team high 23 pts and 5 boards against WPI a couple of days ago in a Tufts' 75-71 victory.

A #3 vs #2 matchup, should be a good game to watch. I think my Cardinals will just be finishing their game on Saturday when the Tufts-Babson game (should that occur) will be starting at 4 PM.

If we are fortunate enough to be undefeated when we go head to head next Thursday night, you need to PM me your phone number. A matchup that grand demands actual back and forth conversation as it plays out. ;D I'll definitely have to root for Babson if they play Tufts on Saturday. ;)     

 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 01, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
ok Magic... here's the game plan... we get a Dickinson win over Swarthmore, and a Whitworth win over Whitman on 12/6... and it's the 2 seniors vying for the undefeated championship on 12/8  hopefan (Babson) vs magicman (Amherst)   ...woohoo!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

hopefan,
I like that idea. It has all the makings of a well thought out plan that has real possibilities. I certainly hope we can get a little magic and have it fall into place. Of course, we know all about the best laid plans stuff and how that usually works out.  ::)

Amherst has games against Emerson this Saturday, then plays Brandeis next Tuesday, December 6th, and on paper, should win those games. Babson, however, could run into a stumbling block along the way. They play in a 4 team tournament at Brandeis tomorrow and Saturday. They meet Salem State on Friday while the host team, Brandeis, takes on Tufts. If things go as I think they will, Tufts and Babson will square off on Saturday for the title game of the Big Four Challenge. Tufts may be better than either Babson or Amherst.

The Jumbos now have the services of last year's leading scorer, Vinny Pace back. Pace didn't see any action the first 2 games of the season, as he was recovering from a knee injury that took him out of last year's NCAA tournament about 20 seconds after it started. He played 20 minutes off the bench for his first action of the year back on Nov. 22nd and led the Jumbos with 15 points and 6 boards as they beat MIT 74-66. He had a team high 23 pts and 5 boards against WPI a couple of days ago in a Tufts' 75-71 victory.

A #3 vs #2 matchup, should be a good game to watch. I think my Cardinals will just be finishing their game on Saturday when the Tufts-Babson game (should that occur) will be starting at 4 PM.

If we are fortunate enough to be undefeated when we go head to head next Thursday night, you need to PM me your phone number. A matchup that grand demands actual back and forth conversation as it plays out. ;D I'll definitely have to root for Babson if they play Tufts on Saturday. ;)     



I figured we'd both drive a distance equidistant from Plattsburgh, NY and Eureka Mo.... Cleveland Ohio fits the bill nicely, and watch a stream of it together!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2016, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 01, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
ok Magic... here's the game plan... we get a Dickinson win over Swarthmore, and a Whitworth win over Whitman on 12/6... and it's the 2 seniors vying for the undefeated championship on 12/8  hopefan (Babson) vs magicman (Amherst)   ...woohoo!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

hopefan,
I like that idea. It has all the makings of a well thought out plan that has real possibilities. I certainly hope we can get a little magic and have it fall into place. Of course, we know all about the best laid plans stuff and how that usually works out.  ::)

Amherst has games against Emerson this Saturday, then plays Brandeis next Tuesday, December 6th, and on paper, should win those games. Babson, however, could run into a stumbling block along the way. They play in a 4 team tournament at Brandeis tomorrow and Saturday. They meet Salem State on Friday while the host team, Brandeis, takes on Tufts. If things go as I think they will, Tufts and Babson will square off on Saturday for the title game of the Big Four Challenge. Tufts may be better than either Babson or Amherst.

The Jumbos now have the services of last year's leading scorer, Vinny Pace back. Pace didn't see any action the first 2 games of the season, as he was recovering from a knee injury that took him out of last year's NCAA tournament about 20 seconds after it started. He played 20 minutes off the bench for his first action of the year back on Nov. 22nd and led the Jumbos with 15 points and 6 boards as they beat MIT 74-66. He had a team high 23 pts and 5 boards against WPI a couple of days ago in a Tufts' 75-71 victory.

A #3 vs #2 matchup, should be a good game to watch. I think my Cardinals will just be finishing their game on Saturday when the Tufts-Babson game (should that occur) will be starting at 4 PM.

If we are fortunate enough to be undefeated when we go head to head next Thursday night, you need to PM me your phone number. A matchup that grand demands actual back and forth conversation as it plays out. ;D I'll definitely have to root for Babson if they play Tufts on Saturday. ;)     



I figured we'd both drive a distance equidistant from Plattsburgh, NY and Eureka Mo.... Cleveland Ohio fits the bill nicely, and watch a stream of it together!!

Is this really true?  Upstate New York is too big.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 01, 2016, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 01, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
ok Magic... here's the game plan... we get a Dickinson win over Swarthmore, and a Whitworth win over Whitman on 12/6... and it's the 2 seniors vying for the undefeated championship on 12/8  hopefan (Babson) vs magicman (Amherst)   ...woohoo!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

hopefan,
I like that idea. It has all the makings of a well thought out plan that has real possibilities. I certainly hope we can get a little magic and have it fall into place. Of course, we know all about the best laid plans stuff and how that usually works out.  ::)

Amherst has games against Emerson this Saturday, then plays Brandeis next Tuesday, December 6th, and on paper, should win those games. Babson, however, could run into a stumbling block along the way. They play in a 4 team tournament at Brandeis tomorrow and Saturday. They meet Salem State on Friday while the host team, Brandeis, takes on Tufts. If things go as I think they will, Tufts and Babson will square off on Saturday for the title game of the Big Four Challenge. Tufts may be better than either Babson or Amherst.

The Jumbos now have the services of last year's leading scorer, Vinny Pace back. Pace didn't see any action the first 2 games of the season, as he was recovering from a knee injury that took him out of last year's NCAA tournament about 20 seconds after it started. He played 20 minutes off the bench for his first action of the year back on Nov. 22nd and led the Jumbos with 15 points and 6 boards as they beat MIT 74-66. He had a team high 23 pts and 5 boards against WPI a couple of days ago in a Tufts' 75-71 victory.

A #3 vs #2 matchup, should be a good game to watch. I think my Cardinals will just be finishing their game on Saturday when the Tufts-Babson game (should that occur) will be starting at 4 PM.

If we are fortunate enough to be undefeated when we go head to head next Thursday night, you need to PM me your phone number. A matchup that grand demands actual back and forth conversation as it plays out. ;D I'll definitely have to root for Babson if they play Tufts on Saturday. ;)     



I figured we'd both drive a distance equidistant from Plattsburgh, NY and Eureka Mo.... Cleveland Ohio fits the bill nicely, and watch a stream of it together!!

My younger sister just happens to live near Cleveland,  in Vermilion just 35 miles from the big metropolis. So yeah I could do that.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2016, 05:30:00 PM
Yep... Cleveland would be virtually equidistant according to Google maps.... ;)

Well actually if Magic drove down to Parma Heights, it'd be a little more even, but I won't quibble over 10 miles... He'll get a lot more snow than I will.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2016, 01:05:54 AM
hopefan, magicman, why don't you compromise on Vermillion?  I'm sure Magic's baby sis would be delighted to put you both up - probably even provide popcorn and adult beverages! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 03, 2016, 11:33:44 AM
Undefeated Pool

Last Night:

#5 Whitman defeated Willamette 80-65. Next hosting Whitworth on 12-6.


#2 Babson defeated Salem State 82-73 on Friday night.     #3 Tufts defeated Brandeis 74-72 at the same tournament.


Today

#2 Babson (hopefan) and #3 Tufts will meet on Brandeis' court in a battle of unbeatens today at 4:00 PM.

#1 Amherst (magicman) in action hosting Emerson at 3:00 PM

Swarthmore (Hoops Fan) hosting Dickinson at 3:00 PM

#5 Whitman (augie77) off until 12-6 when they host #8 Whitworth


Winless

Last Night

No games


Today

Franciscan (magicman)hosting Penn State-Behrend at 4:00 PM

Washington and Jeffers on (Greek Tragedy) at St. Vincent  3:00 PM

Fontbonne (augie 77) hosting MacMurray at 4:00 PM

Curry (sac) at Roger Williams  3:00 PM

Wilson (ronk)    at Lancaster Bible  3:00 PM
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 03, 2016, 05:47:18 PM
UP GOES FONTBONNE!!  (Down goes augie77).  The Griffins beat fellow winless MacMurray 76-67 in OT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2016, 06:35:09 PM
Wilson knocks off Lancaster Bible (who have won as many games as they lost last year) 74-71 which eliminates ronk from the winless pool
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2016, 07:45:56 PM

So I went to Swarthmore today.  As I said, I'm almost always bad luck for the home team.  The score went back and forth a little in the first half, but Dickinson got a small lead and held it most of the game.  Swarthmore is definitely the better team, but Dickinson was playing a lot better today (although their coach said he thought they played terrible after the game, as coaches are prone to do).

Anyway, Swarthmore wears the lead down in the final few minutes, but Dickinson got some fortunate bounces and finds themselves up 4 with 8 seconds to play.  Swarthmore brings the ball up the floor - I'm unsure of exactly what happened since it was on the other side of the court from me - I think a Dickinson player tried to steal the ball and committed a foul, but the Swarthmore player got a shot attempt off and refs awarded three FTs with 3.7 seconds left on the clock.

He hit the first and missed the second.  The intentional miss looked like it was going to deaden on the back of the rim and flop off in the wrong direction, but they got a lucky bounce and a tap and a corner three with three defenders jumping at the shooter.  Tie game.

Swarthmore played excellent in the extra time and won the game.  I'm still alive.

Pretty fun afternoon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 05, 2016, 07:18:00 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2016, 07:45:56 PM

So I went to Swarthmore today.  As I said, I'm almost always bad luck for the home team.  The score went back and forth a little in the first half, but Dickinson got a small lead and held it most of the game.  Swarthmore is definitely the better team, but Dickinson was playing a lot better today (although their coach said he thought they played terrible after the game, as coaches are prone to do).

Anyway, Swarthmore wears the lead down in the final few minutes, but Dickinson got some fortunate bounces and finds themselves up 4 with 8 seconds to play.  Swarthmore brings the ball up the floor - I'm unsure of exactly what happened since it was on the other side of the court from me - I think a Dickinson player tried to steal the ball and committed a foul, but the Swarthmore player got a shot attempt off and refs awarded three FTs with 3.7 seconds left on the clock.

He hit the first and missed the second.  The intentional miss looked like it was going to deaden on the back of the rim and flop off in the wrong direction, but they got a lucky bounce and a tap and a corner three with three defenders jumping at the shooter.  Tie game.

Swarthmore played excellent in the extra time and won the game.  I'm still alive.

Pretty fun afternoon.

Quite a miraculous comeback for your team. I saw the play by play and how they hit the 3 pointer with their final shot in regulation to send it to overtime.

You should buy a lottery ticket this week.  ;D

For the most miraculous comeback in all of DIII this season, so far, take a look at the final 1:55 in regulation of the Brockport State-Old Westbury game from Nov.23rd. Brockport was down by 13 points with 1:55 left and somehow tied the game and won it in overtime. Most amazing is they had to score twice in the final 5 seconds to tie the game. Here's a link to the play by play:   http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2016-17/boxscores/20161123_3m4e.xml?view=plays

The Brockport coach told me how poorly they played for most of the game but had the ability to turn it on when they needed to. It was quite a comeback.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2016, 07:38:27 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 05, 2016, 07:18:00 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2016, 07:45:56 PM

So I went to Swarthmore today.  As I said, I'm almost always bad luck for the home team.  The score went back and forth a little in the first half, but Dickinson got a small lead and held it most of the game.  Swarthmore is definitely the better team, but Dickinson was playing a lot better today (although their coach said he thought they played terrible after the game, as coaches are prone to do).

Anyway, Swarthmore wears the lead down in the final few minutes, but Dickinson got some fortunate bounces and finds themselves up 4 with 8 seconds to play.  Swarthmore brings the ball up the floor - I'm unsure of exactly what happened since it was on the other side of the court from me - I think a Dickinson player tried to steal the ball and committed a foul, but the Swarthmore player got a shot attempt off and refs awarded three FTs with 3.7 seconds left on the clock.

He hit the first and missed the second.  The intentional miss looked like it was going to deaden on the back of the rim and flop off in the wrong direction, but they got a lucky bounce and a tap and a corner three with three defenders jumping at the shooter.  Tie game.

Swarthmore played excellent in the extra time and won the game.  I'm still alive.

Pretty fun afternoon.

Quite a miraculous comeback for your team. I saw the play by play and how they hit the 3 pointer with their final shot in regulation to send it to overtime.

You should buy a lottery ticket this week.  ;D

For the most miraculous comeback in all of DIII this season, so far, take a look at the final 1:55 in regulation of the Brockport State-Old Westbury game from Nov.23rd. Brockport was down by 13 points with 1:55 left and somehow tied the game and won it in overtime. Most amazing is they had to score twice in the final 5 seconds to tie the game. Here's a link to the play by play:   http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2016-17/boxscores/20161123_3m4e.xml?view=plays

The Brockport coach told me how poorly they played for most of the game but had the ability to turn it on when they needed to. It was quite a comeback.

See also my writeup of the Eureka at Spalding game on the SLIAC board... Eureka down 9 with 1:08, outscores Spalding 14-2  to win by 3... even more amazing, Eureka's Kendall Davis has 2 3's, 2 2's and 2 fts in that time span.   Spalding missed 6 of 8 fts to help Eureka...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 05, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Spalding gets nothing and likes it, again.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2016, 08:04:27 PM
It's about time to track.... and note, this is generated by a lot of downloading of scores, and date generated from macros and formulas... see something wrong?  let me know...

as of 12/4/16

Undefeated (22)
Babson
Rochester
Wesleyan
Salisbury
Swarthmore
Neumann
Denison
Ramapo
Marietta
Brockport
UW-Eau Claire
North Park
Amherst
Muskingum
Cal Lutheran
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Catholic
Ripon
Whitman
Whitworth
Occidental
UW-Whitewater

Winless (25)
SUNY-Cobleskill
MacMurray
Franciscan (Ohio)
Marywood
Marian
Washington and Jefferson
Mount Aloysius
Curry
Millikin
John Jay
York (N.Y.)
Utica
Alfred State
Massachusetts College
Worcester State
Rockford
Cazenovia
Newbury
Kean
Pitt-Greensburg
Knox
Huntingdon
Mitchell
Rutgers-Camden
Caltech


Undefeated against D3 only  (they have a loss non-D3)  (5)
Hope
St. John's
Concordia (Wis.)
Lesley
Williams

Winless against D3 only (they have a win non-D3)  (10)
Haverford
Clarks Summit
Rivier
Maine-Presque Isle
Maranatha Baptist
DePauw
Whittier
Merchant Marine
Mount St. Vincent
Piedmont




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 06, 2016, 02:45:32 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 05, 2016, 08:04:27 PM
It's about time to track.... and note, this is generated by a lot of downloading of scores, and date generated from macros and formulas... see something wrong?  let me know...

as of 12/4/16

Undefeated (22)
Babson
Rochester
Wesleyan
Salisbury
Swarthmore
Neumann
Denison
Ramapo
Marietta
Brockport
UW-Eau Claire
North Park
Amherst
Muskingum
Cal Lutheran
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Catholic
Ripon
Whitman
Whitworth
Occidental
UW-Whitewater

Winless (25)
SUNY-Cobleskill
MacMurray
Franciscan (Ohio)
Marywood
Marian
Washington and Jefferson
Mount Aloysius
Curry
Millikin
John Jay
York (N.Y.)
Utica
Alfred State
Massachusetts College
Worcester State
Rockford
Cazenovia
Newbury
Kean
Pitt-Greensburg
Knox
Huntingdon
Mitchell
Rutgers-Camden
Caltech


Undefeated against D3 only  (they have a loss non-D3)  (5)
Hope
St. John's
Concordia (Wis.)
Lesley
Williams 

Winless against D3 only (they have a win non-D3)  (10)
Haverford
Clarks Summit
Rivier
Maine-Presque Isle
Maranatha Baptist
DePauw
Whittier
Merchant Marine
Mount St. Vincent
Piedmont

hopefan,
Per your request for corrections...Williams has a loss to a DIII team (as you should know because you correctly picked that DIII team, Wesleyan,  to beat them in the National Pick Em League this past Saturday. ;D) The Ephs were on the short end of a 72-62 final score.  http://ephsports.williams.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20161203w9mcko

Incidentally Williams has only that 1 loss. They do not have a loss to a non-DIII team.

I thought your date generated macro download???....picked up the Williams' Women's record which is identical to the Men's team at 6-1, but the women also lost to a DIII school, Montclair State. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2016, 03:31:43 AM
Thanks Magic... and why that error.... my program got confused because it correctly didn't include the Wesleyan-Williams matchup as a conference matchup (it was their nonconference game)...and didn't put it anywhere... corrections will be made  .. it did the same for Occidental, who had a nonconference game with Caltech, but I caught it... ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2016, 06:44:54 AM
So in the survivor pool, no changes last night

we are left with

Undefeated
Amherst   Magicman
Babson     hopefan
Whitman   Augie 77
Swarthmore   Hoopsfan

Winless
Franciscan     Magicman
Curry      Sac
Washington and Jefferson   Greek Tragedy


In the overall numbers

Undefeated teams decreased from 22 to 20 with losses by Whitworth and Brockport

Winless teams went from 25 to 23 with wins by Alfred State and Rockford

Undefeated vs D3 only went from 4 to 3 with a loss by Concordia (Wisc.)

Winless vs D3 only went from 10 to 11 as Alfred State was added (They beat Davis)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2016, 07:26:27 PM
You know we're all biased - all of us - because none of us picked Marietta in the undefeated pool. We should be punished severely.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 07, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2016, 07:26:27 PM
You know we're all biased - all of us - because none of us picked Marietta in the undefeated pool. We should be punished severely.

Coin flip for me between Wooster-Marietta, they played early but I liked them both.  Should have called tails.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 07, 2016, 10:32:22 PM
Franciscan managed to lose to PSU-Altoona tonight 83-66

Baron von Stuebie dropping a game by 17 isn't all that amazing of an accomplishment, but losing a game  by 17 you lead by 13 with 16 minutes to play is quite impressive.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2016, 05:50:30 AM
Quote from: sac on December 07, 2016, 10:32:22 PM
Franciscan managed to lose to PSU-Altoona tonight 83-66

Baron von Stuebie dropping a game by 17 isn't all that amazing of an accomplishment, but losing a game  by 17 you lead by 13 with 16 minutes to play is quite impressive.

What's really sad is that they had scored 50 points at that 16 minute mark you mentioned.The score was actually 50-37 with 16:33 left to play. Over the next 13 minutes and 45 seconds they scored 6 points and Altoona scored 39. Franciscan scored as many points in the final 2:47 of the game...10 points, as they did in the previous 17:13 of the 2nd half. ??? :o

But that's why I selected them in the Winless Pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2016, 06:59:09 AM

Well, Swarthmore made it through two difficult games by the skin of their teeth and don't play again until the 17th.  If Babson wins tonight, as expected, they're off until the 31st.  Whitman has Wooster on the 18th.  I guess my chances aren't as good as I thought.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2016, 03:51:08 PM
The survivor pool stays the same... we know it will decrease by 1 tonight when Amherst (Magicman) hosts Babson (hopefan)..

Overall

Undefeated decreases from 20 to 19 as Catholic loses to St. Vincent

Winless deceases from 23 to 21 as Knox (over Monmouth) and Mt Aloysius (over Pitt Greensburg) win

Undefeated vs D3 only stays at 3

Winless vs D3 only decreases from 11 to 8 as Maine Presque Isle (over Colby!!!!!), Depauw, and Merchant Marine win
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2016, 09:15:32 PM
hopefan,

My condolences. Both teams looked like they had the game won on several occasions. We didn't get shortchanged watching this one. I feel kind of guilty moving on because I was sure Amherst had lost at the end of regulation and at the end of the first OT.  McCarthy's three pointers were as clutch as they come. I was yelling at Dawson to pass the ball at the end because I knew he was going to take it to the hoop and I was afraid he would get stuffed again. Timed it just right.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2016, 06:10:04 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 08, 2016, 09:15:32 PM
hopefan,

My condolences. Both teams looked like they had the game won on several occasions. We didn't get shortchanged watching this one. I feel kind of guilty moving on because I was sure Amherst had lost at the end of regulation and at the end of the first OT.  McCarthy's three pointers were as clutch as they come. I was yelling at Dawson to pass the ball at the end because I knew he was going to take it to the hoop and I was afraid he would get stuffed again. Timed it just right.
End of regulation
Note to Babson Coach, up 3, 7 seconds, defending, ....let clock run down and FOUL, don't give up a relatively undefended, in stride 3 point attempt

end of 1st OT.... I don't like seeing BEST player, with 10 seconds left in tie game, with ball in his hands, waiting for clock to go down... why?  because, he'll make move, all defense will go at him, he'll give ball up, and less qualified scorer will end up taking shot.  I saw Webster lose to Wash U lose like this, and it happened to Babson.. when Flannery made the pass, the player who received it looked like he was in a state of shock.. no wonder he missed...

I didn't bother watching 2nd OT... I KNEW I was a dead duck...  Go get 'em Magic!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2016, 06:10:04 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 08, 2016, 09:15:32 PM
hopefan,

My condolences. Both teams looked like they had the game won on several occasions. We didn't get shortchanged watching this one. I feel kind of guilty moving on because I was sure Amherst had lost at the end of regulation and at the end of the first OT.  McCarthy's three pointers were as clutch as they come. I was yelling at Dawson to pass the ball at the end because I knew he was going to take it to the hoop and I was afraid he would get stuffed again. Timed it just right.
End of regulation
Note to Babson Coach, up 3, 7 seconds, defending, ....let clock run down and FOUL, don't give up a relatively undefended, in stride 3 point attempt

end of 1st OT.... I don't like seeing BEST player, with 10 seconds left in tie game, with ball in his hands, waiting for clock to go down... why?  because, he'll make move, all defense will go at him, he'll give ball up, and less qualified scorer will end up taking shot.  I saw Webster lose to Wash U lose like this, and it happened to Babson.. when Flannery made the pass, the player who received it looked like he was in a state of shock.. no wonder he missed...

I didn't bother watching 2nd OT... I KNEW I was a dead duck...  Go get 'em Magic!!

They did give their 6th foul in regulation, but they did it with 7 seconds left, 80 feet from the basket.  You could've given them another two or three dribbles and still fouled without a shot attempt.  That would've prevented even getting as good a look.  Pretty small error for such a big game, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2016, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2016, 06:10:04 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 08, 2016, 09:15:32 PM
hopefan,

My condolences. Both teams looked like they had the game won on several occasions. We didn't get shortchanged watching this one. I feel kind of guilty moving on because I was sure Amherst had lost at the end of regulation and at the end of the first OT.  McCarthy's three pointers were as clutch as they come. I was yelling at Dawson to pass the ball at the end because I knew he was going to take it to the hoop and I was afraid he would get stuffed again. Timed it just right.
End of regulation
Note to Babson Coach, up 3, 7 seconds, defending, ....let clock run down and FOUL, don't give up a relatively undefended, in stride 3 point attempt

end of 1st OT.... I don't like seeing BEST player, with 10 seconds left in tie game, with ball in his hands, waiting for clock to go down... why?  because, he'll make move, all defense will go at him, he'll give ball up, and less qualified scorer will end up taking shot.  I saw Webster lose to Wash U lose like this, and it happened to Babson.. when Flannery made the pass, the player who received it looked like he was in a state of shock.. no wonder he missed...

I didn't bother watching 2nd OT... I KNEW I was a dead duck...  Go get 'em Magic!!

They did give their 6th foul in regulation, but they did it with 7 seconds left, 80 feet from the basket.  You could've given them another two or three dribbles and still fouled without a shot attempt.  That would've prevented even getting as good a look.  Pretty small error for such a big game, though.

Hoops fan.. no I meant foul and put them on the line with a 7th foul... I'm still a believer that it is far more difficult to get the ball back for a shot after shooting 2 fts, putting you down one or two points in that situation....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2016, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2016, 06:10:04 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 08, 2016, 09:15:32 PM
hopefan,

My condolences. Both teams looked like they had the game won on several occasions. We didn't get shortchanged watching this one. I feel kind of guilty moving on because I was sure Amherst had lost at the end of regulation and at the end of the first OT.  McCarthy's three pointers were as clutch as they come. I was yelling at Dawson to pass the ball at the end because I knew he was going to take it to the hoop and I was afraid he would get stuffed again. Timed it just right.
End of regulation
Note to Babson Coach, up 3, 7 seconds, defending, ....let clock run down and FOUL, don't give up a relatively undefended, in stride 3 point attempt

end of 1st OT.... I don't like seeing BEST player, with 10 seconds left in tie game, with ball in his hands, waiting for clock to go down... why?  because, he'll make move, all defense will go at him, he'll give ball up, and less qualified scorer will end up taking shot.  I saw Webster lose to Wash U lose like this, and it happened to Babson.. when Flannery made the pass, the player who received it looked like he was in a state of shock.. no wonder he missed...

I didn't bother watching 2nd OT... I KNEW I was a dead duck...  Go get 'em Magic!!

They did give their 6th foul in regulation, but they did it with 7 seconds left, 80 feet from the basket.  You could've given them another two or three dribbles and still fouled without a shot attempt.  That would've prevented even getting as good a look.  Pretty small error for such a big game, though.

Hoops fan.. no I meant foul and put them on the line with a 7th foul... I'm still a believer that it is far more difficult to get the ball back for a shot after shooting 2 fts, putting you down one or two points in that situation....

I get it, but they might not have even needed to get there if they'd waited a little for the 6th.  It would've made the final shot a lot harder to set up.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 09, 2016, 03:27:19 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2016, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2016, 06:10:04 AM
Quote from: magicman on December 08, 2016, 09:15:32 PM
hopefan,

My condolences. Both teams looked like they had the game won on several occasions. We didn't get shortchanged watching this one. I feel kind of guilty moving on because I was sure Amherst had lost at the end of regulation and at the end of the first OT.  McCarthy's three pointers were as clutch as they come. I was yelling at Dawson to pass the ball at the end because I knew he was going to take it to the hoop and I was afraid he would get stuffed again. Timed it just right.
End of regulation
Note to Babson Coach, up 3, 7 seconds, defending, ....let clock run down and FOUL, don't give up a relatively undefended, in stride 3 point attempt

end of 1st OT.... I don't like seeing BEST player, with 10 seconds left in tie game, with ball in his hands, waiting for clock to go down... why?  because, he'll make move, all defense will go at him, he'll give ball up, and less qualified scorer will end up taking shot.  I saw Webster lose to Wash U lose like this, and it happened to Babson.. when Flannery made the pass, the player who received it looked like he was in a state of shock.. no wonder he missed...

I didn't bother watching 2nd OT... I KNEW I was a dead duck...  Go get 'em Magic!!

They did give their 6th foul in regulation, but they did it with 7 seconds left, 80 feet from the basket.  You could've given them another two or three dribbles and still fouled without a shot attempt.  That would've prevented even getting as good a look.  Pretty small error for such a big game, though.

Hoops fan.. no I meant foul and put them on the line with a 7th foul... I'm still a believer that it is far more difficult to get the ball back for a shot after shooting 2 fts, putting you down one or two points in that situation....

I get it, but they might not have even needed to get there if they'd waited a little for the 6th.  It would've made the final shot a lot harder to set up.

You both have valid points. I've always been a believer that if you're up 3 points with seconds to go in the game you put the other team on the line. Seen the other team bury a 3 pointer to tie the game and win in overtime too often to keep track of. Only remember one instance where the team, down 3, gets fouled, goes to the line, makes the first one, misses the 2nd one (on purpose), shooter gets the rebound and scores to tie the game. And yes that was the end of the 2nd overtime of Amherst against Middlebury on 2-12-13. Amherst won in triple OT. Willy Workman was the player that pulled off that bit of magic.   

In this case Babson had to commit a 6th, then 7th foul to do so. I was pretty sure my chances of continuing to be alive in the Undefeated Pool were over and done. I fully expected, with the 3 point lead, that Babson would put Amherst on the line and there would be no way for them to score 3 points and tie the game. When they fouled for the 6th time I knew it was coming. Lightning wasn't gonna strike twice, (no Willy Workman) especially since I needed it to do so. And then they let McCarthy get his shot off.   

I mentally thanked the Babson coach for not committing that 7th foul, at least 3 times, after the game was over.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2016, 07:51:54 PM

Lots of undefeateds went down this weekend - someone needs to update out lists.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2016, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2016, 07:51:54 PM

Lots of undefeateds went down this weekend - someone needs to update out lists.

wonder who?  Ill get it out tomorrow....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2016, 04:54:18 AM
So in the survivor pool

we are left with

Undefeated
Amherst   Magicman
Whitman   Augie 77
Swarthmore   Hoopsfan

Winless
Franciscan     Magicman
Curry      Sac
Washington and Jefferson   Greek Tragedy



Overall
Through 12/11/16

Undefeated (14) Down from last count of 19.... losses by Babson (to Amherst), Marietta (to John Carroll), UW-Eau Claire              (to Wartburg), North Park (to Carroll), Muskingum (to Capital)   

Wesleyan
Rochester
Neumann
Denison
Amherst
Ramapo
Salisbury
Swarthmore
UW-Whitewater
Ripon
Whitman
Cal Lutheran
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Occidental

Winless  (19)   Down from 21    off list are Massachusetts College (beat RPI), Worcester State (beat Salve Regina)

Franciscan (Ohio)
SUNY-Cobleskill
MacMurray
Marian
Curry
Millikin
Marywood
John Jay
York (N.Y.)
Utica
Cazenovia
Newbury
Kean
Washington and Jefferson
Pitt-Greensburg
Mitchell
Rutgers-Camden
Huntingdon
Caltech


Undefeated vs D3 only   NONE   Hope lost to Stevens Point, St. John's lost to St. Thomas, Lesley lost to Mount Ida

Winless vs D3 only (5) down from 8 as  Haverford (over Washington College), Piemont (over Berry), and Alfred State (over Keuka) win

Clarks Summit
Rivier
Maranatha Baptist
Whittier
Mount St. Vincent


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 12, 2016, 11:37:00 AM
Great work, hopefan!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 12, 2016, 03:19:42 PM
Thanks, man!

I do have some solace. My Rivier pick is the second worst in D-3 according to Massey, only ahead of Franciscan.

Man, I think we could all enroll at Unity and help their team out! Who's with me?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 14, 2016, 09:15:30 PM
Down goes the #1 team in the country and my pick in the Undefeated Pool as Amherst falls at Springfield College by a 71-70 final score.

And then there were two.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2016, 09:58:03 PM
What a crazy result... gotta love D3hoops....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2016, 10:17:06 PM

Swarthmore has a pretty tough home tourney this weekend.  Whitman has Wooster on the 18th then Marietta in Daytona later that week.

We'll see.  I doubt we get to January, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2016, 05:23:03 AM
Denison drops from the undefeated ranks, losing to Capital 84-75....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2016, 05:38:12 AM
The rest of our groups remain the same, after Amherst and Denison fall off the undefeated list, leaving us with 12 undefeated teams.  There are still 19 winless teams, No undefeated against D3 only teams, and 5 winless against D3 only teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2016, 05:44:32 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2016, 10:17:06 PM

Swarthmore has a pretty tough home tourney this weekend.  Whitman has Wooster on the 18th then Marietta in Daytona later that week.

We'll see.  I doubt we get to January, though.

Swathmore's tourney brings in Rowan (6-4), Averett (2-6) and Roanoke (2-4).  It is surprising they chose to open vs Rowan, which would seem to be the best of the 3 opponents.  Interesting... Rowan knows how to win tight games.. 6 wins, each by 5 points or less!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2016, 08:44:09 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 15, 2016, 05:44:32 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2016, 10:17:06 PM

Swarthmore has a pretty tough home tourney this weekend.  Whitman has Wooster on the 18th then Marietta in Daytona later that week.

We'll see.  I doubt we get to January, though.

Swathmore's tourney brings in Rowan (6-4), Averett (2-6) and Roanoke (2-4).  It is surprising they chose to open vs Rowan, which would seem to be the best of the 3 opponents.  Interesting... Rowan knows how to win tight games.. 6 wins, each by 5 points or less!!!

Neither Averett nor Roanoke is a bad team, though - anyone will have their hands full.  I'm glad they get Rowan - even if it makes my pick harder to realize.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2016, 11:12:30 PM
We Have a WINNER!!!!!

Swarthmore falls to Rowan 92-84

Leaving Augie 77 with his pick of Whitman as the last undefeated team standing in the Undefeated Pool.

CONGRATS
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 17, 2016, 11:23:52 PM
I've been rolling the dice on these pools for a long time, and have always come up short.  I had to eventually hit one right.   ;)

I look forward to receiving my winner's share.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 17, 2016, 11:24:12 PM
It seems like it came earlier this year, but that may just be recency attacking my noggin.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2016, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 17, 2016, 11:24:12 PM
It seems like it came earlier this year, but that may just be recency attacking my noggin.

Someone (probably magicman or hopefan) can correct me, but I don't think the contest has ever ended in December before.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 17, 2016, 11:26:30 PM
Whitman has a couple of tough games coming up in the next week (Wooster and Marietta).  It will be interesting to see long they survive.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2016, 11:32:54 PM
Quote from: augie77 on December 17, 2016, 11:23:52 PM
I've been rolling the dice on these pools for a long time, and have always come up short.  I had to eventually hit one right.   ;)

I look forward to receiving my winner's share.  ;D

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2016, 06:05:20 AM
So in the survivor pool

we are left with

Undefeated
Whitman   Augie 77      THE WINNER!!!!


Winless
Franciscan     Magicman
Curry      Sac
Washington and Jefferson   Greek Tragedy



Overall
Through 12/17/16

Undefeated (10) Down from last count of 12.... losses by Swarthmore (to Rowan), Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (to Westmont),

Wesleyan
Rochester
Neumann
Ramapo
Salisbury
UW-Whitewater
Ripon
Whitman
Cal Lutheran
Occidental

Winless  (19)  Anybody that played, LOST

Franciscan (Ohio)
SUNY-Cobleskill
MacMurray
Marian
Curry
Millikin
Marywood
John Jay
York (N.Y.)
Utica
Cazenovia
Newbury
Kean
Washington and Jefferson
Pitt-Greensburg
Mitchell
Rutgers-Camden
Huntingdon
Caltech


Undefeated vs D3 only   (1)   We add Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, who lost to NAIA D1 Westmont

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps



Winless vs D3 only (5) No Change

Clarks Summit
Rivier
Maranatha Baptist
Whittier
Mount St. Vincent


There are 4 3 scheduled matchups between potentially undefeated teams this season  (Not including Undefeated vs D3 only C-M-S)
12/18/2016   Occidental   H   SCIAC      Cal Lutheran   A   SCIAC       TODAY
12/21/2016   Ripon   A   MWC      UW-Whitewater   H   WIAC
12/28/2016   Salisbury   TN   CAC      Ramapo   TN   NJAC
2/9/2017   Cal Lutheran   H   SCIAC      Occidental   A   SCIAC  (2nd matchup should not have been included)


There are 6 matchups remaining this season between potentially winless teams  (this does not include Winless vs D3 only teams)
1/4/2017   Pitt-Greensburg   H   AMCC      Franciscan (Ohio)   A   AMCC
1/7/2017   Rutgers-Camden   H   NJAC      Kean   A   NJAC
1/13/2017   York (N.Y.)   H   CUNYAC      John Jay   A   CUNYAC
1/24/2017   Newbury   H   NECC      Mitchell   A   NECC
1/25/2017   Cazenovia   A   NEAC      SUNY-Cobleskill   H   NEAC
1/30/2017   Mitchell   H   NECC      John Jay   A   CUNYAC



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 18, 2016, 07:38:19 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2016, 11:32:54 PM
Quote from: augie77 on December 17, 2016, 11:23:52 PM
I've been rolling the dice on these pools for a long time, and have always come up short.  I had to eventually hit one right.   ;)

I look forward to receiving my winner's share.  ;D

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That's one more beauty contest award than I've EVER received.  I've got to go primp.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2016, 09:02:24 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2016, 06:05:20 AM
There are 4 scheduled matchups between potentially undefeated teams this season  (Not including Undefeated vs D3 only C-M-S)
12/18/2016   Occidental   H   SCIAC      Cal Lutheran   A   SCIAC       TODAY
12/21/2016   Ripon   A   MWC      UW-Whitewater   H   WIAC
12/28/2016   Salisbury   TN   CAC      Ramapo   TN   NJAC
2/9/2017   Cal Lutheran   H   SCIAC      Occidental   A   SCIAC


There are 6 matchups remaining this season between potentially winless teams  (this does not include Winless vs D3 only teams)
1/4/2017   Pitt-Greensburg   H   AMCC      Franciscan (Ohio)   A   AMCC
1/7/2017   Rutgers-Camden   H   NJAC      Kean   A   NJAC
1/13/2017   York (N.Y.)   H   CUNYAC      John Jay   A   CUNYAC
1/24/2017   Newbury   H   NECC      Mitchell   A   NECC
1/25/2017   Cazenovia   A   NEAC      SUNY-Cobleskill   H   NEAC
1/30/2017   Mitchell   H   NECC      John Jay   A   CUNYAC

Good stuff, hopefan. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2016, 10:04:29 AM

I feel like I should get the second prize card, since I finished second.  I do take some moral victory for choosing an off the radar team and almost winning the pool.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2016, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2016, 10:04:29 AM

I feel like I should get the second prize card, since I finished second.  I do take some moral victory for choosing an off the radar team and almost winning the pool.

Agree with that... Swarthmore was really out of nowhere... fantastic pick..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2016, 04:38:57 AM
In a battle of the undefeateds, Cal Lutheran wins at Occidental, 74-65.... knocking Occidental off the undefeated list.... number of undefeateds now stand at 9.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2016, 05:35:50 PM
Again, this doesn't seem like a lot. Either that, or we stunk at picking them this year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
I clearly stunk... my winless team (Earlham) is currently 4-5 while my unbeaten team (S Vermont) is 2-8 :-[
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2016, 06:49:53 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 19, 2016, 05:35:50 PM
Again, this doesn't seem like a lot. Either that, or we stunk at picking them this year.

last year, as of 12/20

15 undefeated
6   undefeated vs D3 only
13  winless
4    winless vs D3 only
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2016, 06:54:00 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
I clearly stunk... my winless team (Earlham) is currently 4-5 while my unbeaten team (S Vermont) is 2-8 :-[

I missed out on picking Millikin - but they play so many SLIAC teams (and Earlham), I figured they couldn't possibly lose them all.  Wrong.  They are 0-4 against SLIAC teams, and lost to friggin' Earlham.  I'd say they are now a safe bet to go 0-for-the-season. ::)

If we had a mid-season draft of teams still eligible for undefeated or winless, not sure who I'd select for undefeated, but Millikin would be my choice for winless (since other more obvious chances are already taken).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2016, 07:18:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2016, 06:54:00 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
I clearly stunk... my winless team (Earlham) is currently 4-5 while my unbeaten team (S Vermont) is 2-8 :-[

I missed out on picking Millikin - but they play so many SLIAC teams (and Earlham), I figured they couldn't possibly lose them all.  Wrong.  They are 0-4 against SLIAC teams, and lost to friggin' Earlham.  I'd say they are now a safe bet to go 0-for-the-season. ::)

If we had a mid-season draft of teams still eligible for undefeated or winless, not sure who I'd select for undefeated, but Millikin would be my choice for winless (since other more obvious chances are already taken).

I posted after the first weekend when I saw them lose to Westminster and Greenville, if they didn't beat Earlham, they'd go winless... the amazing thing is they only lost to North Central by 6, but it was an 11 point difference with 25 seconds and they made a couple of 3's.
BUT WATCH OUT... in the Wittenburg Tourney, they'll likely match up with Geneva College on Dec. 30... Geneva is 5-3, but the level of play in the President's Conference is likely beneath the CCIW level... it could present an opportunity for a Millikin win... (assuming Witt beats Millikin and Calvin beats Geneva on the 29th)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2016, 07:47:53 PM

Washington and Jefferson is the worst team in D3 this year.  They play in a terrible conference, so they might actually win some games, but even if Millikin spotted them 10 points, I'd still pick Millikin to win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2016, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2016, 07:47:53 PM

Washington and Jefferson is the worst team in D3 this year.  They play in a terrible conference, so they might actually win some games, but even if Millikin spotted them 10 points, I'd still pick Millikin to win.

A shame W&J and Franciscan don't play each other....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2016, 07:47:53 PM

Washington and Jefferson is the worst team in D3 this year.  They play in a terrible conference, so they might actually win some games, but even if Millikin spotted them 10 points, I'd still pick Millikin to win.

Have you watched Millikin this year?  Even as low as NPU fell for awhile, Millikin is quite conceivably the worst team in CCIW history.

Though I confess I haven't researched this and may have overlooked someone even more dreadful.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2016, 09:30:14 PM
HOLD THE PRESSES!!

Millikin just beat previously 4-3 RHIT by 5 (71-66)!!  AT Rose-Hulman!!

So if W&J is that bad, maybe Millikin would be the favorite. ;)  But it would be a HUGE upset if Millikin won a conference game this year - MAYBE Elmhurst when they get them in Decatur.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 19, 2016, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2016, 07:47:53 PM

Washington and Jefferson is the worst team in D3 this year.  They play in a terrible conference, so they might actually win some games, but even if Millikin spotted them 10 points, I'd still pick Millikin to win.

There's Rivier...and Pitt-Greensburg, and Franciscan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2016, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2016, 07:47:53 PM

Washington and Jefferson is the worst team in D3 this year.  They play in a terrible conference, so they might actually win some games, but even if Millikin spotted them 10 points, I'd still pick Millikin to win.

Have you watched Millikin this year?  Even as low as NPU fell for awhile, Millikin is quite conceivably the worst team in CCIW history.

Easy there, Chuck. As bad as NPU got during the Keith Peterson era, the Vikings were never as bad as Millikin was during the last year of the Marc Smith era and the first year of the Matt Nadelhoffer era. Not even close, in fact. That two-year span represented the most wretched outfit in CCIW history -- although old-timers have told me that some of the late-70s North Central teams were pretty awful, too.

This year's MU team has more talent than those 2010-11 and 2011-12 Big Blue teams had. It's just much younger. Nadelhoffer's playing a rotation that's mostly freshmen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2016, 05:16:31 AM
Undefeateds drop from 9 to 8, as Cal Lutheran loses to Puget Sound 80-75

Winless drops from 19 to 17 as Millikin beats Rose Hulman 71-66. and Marian beats Finlandia 77-63

Winless vs D3 only drops from 5 to 4 as Mount St. Vincent beats Elmira 64-52

Undefeated vs only D3 stays at 1
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
With the results of 12/20/16:

Undefeateds stay at 8

Winless stay at 17

Winless vs D3 only drops from 4 to 3.... Whittier drops off as they beat UC-Santa Cruz in OT, 87-81

Undefeated  vs D3 only stays at 1

and yes our survivor list  in the winless contest remains unchanged:

Franciscan     Magicman
Curry      Sac
Washington and Jefferson   Greek Tragedy
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2016, 10:00:13 PM
Scratch another unbeaten off the list, as unbeaten UWW give Ripon their first loss, 109-96.  Whitewater is for real, but so is Ripon, who may give St. Norbert a run for the title in the MWC.  Ripon led by 8 at the break, before UWW opened it up in the second.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 22, 2016, 08:50:39 AM
Winless

Curry
12-30   Maine-Presque Isle @ Maine Maritime
12-31  @ Maine Maritime
1-3  Salve Regina
1-5  @ Nichols
1-7  @  Eastern Nazarenne


Washington and Jefferson
12-29  @ Otterbein
12-30  Hiram @ Otterbein
1-3  @ Grove City
1-5  Thiel
1-7  @ Chatham 


Franciscan
1-4  @ Pitt-Greensburg
1-7  @ D'Youville

Looks like Curry has a couple chances at wins with Presque Isle and Maine Maritime.  I highlighted the Franciscan Pitt-Greensburg game because Greensburg is two losses after Christmas from being 0-11 making this game an 0-11 vs 0-11 match-up.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 22, 2016, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: sac on January 12, 2016, 08:35:33 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 11, 2016, 02:54:10 PM
I'd still like to know what the heck happened to W&J? 13-13 two seasons ago and now????

Coaching change this year, previous coach resigned pretty much immediately after last season ended.  This years roster has 11 Fr. and So. on a roster of 13.  From last years team they returned one player who averaged 10+ min per game and only 3 that registered any minutes total.  Essentially they have 10 first year players and 2 other guys who played very little last year.

That was a quote about Wash&Jeff from last January.  This year's Presidents have 10 Freshmen and appear to have retained only 6 regulars from last years team and two of them aren't really playing much.  Looks like they're starting 3 Freshmen.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2016, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: sac on December 22, 2016, 08:50:39 AM
Winless

Looks like Curry has a couple chances at wins with Presque Isle and Maine Maritime.  I highlighted the Franciscan Pitt-Greensburg game because Greensburg is two losses after Christmas from being 0-11 making this game an 0-11 vs 0-11 match-up.

AHHHHH but Sac, we don't want to create any misconceptions about our old favorite, UMPI...... UMPI enters the game with Curry riding a "historical" 4 game win streak, including wins over Coast Guard and Colby.... the old wood choppers have made some positive strides since being a regular winless contender for several years not too long ago!! :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 22, 2016, 03:20:42 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 22, 2016, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: sac on December 22, 2016, 08:50:39 AM
Winless

Looks like Curry has a couple chances at wins with Presque Isle and Maine Maritime.  I highlighted the Franciscan Pitt-Greensburg game because Greensburg is two losses after Christmas from being 0-11 making this game an 0-11 vs 0-11 match-up.

AHHHHH but Sac, we don't want to create any misconceptions about our old favorite, UMPI...... UMPI enters the game with Curry riding a "historical" 4 game win streak, including wins over Coast Guard and Colby.... the old wood choppers have made some positive strides since being a regular winless contender for several years not too long ago!! :o

Yes hopefan, UMPI is fast becoming a juggernaut. They should beat Curry but Maine Maritime may be their chance at a win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 22, 2016, 04:08:51 PM
I think Rust may be the new UMPI
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 22, 2016, 04:08:51 PM
I think Rust may be the new UMPI

Well, in some ways...but they do have a win (albeit against winless MacMurray) and they play a far more legit D3 schedule than UMPI used to play.... and they are nowhere near so geographically isolated.... yet there is almost something mystical about that program... just like UMPI was so .. what... mystical, unknown, several years ago.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 22, 2016, 11:44:21 PM
Did we ever find out the non D-3 schedule for Rust. There are a lot of Unity type schools in the south (not in hippie-ness, but in shambolic basketball talent).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2016, 12:11:17 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 22, 2016, 11:44:21 PM
Did we ever find out the non D-3 schedule for Rust. There are a lot of Unity type schools in the south (not in hippie-ness, but in shambolic basketball talent).

Well, I gave up.... D3 games are probably all there, but good luck finding every game vs non D3 opponents...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 23, 2016, 09:24:20 AM
Doing research for something else I came up with the teams with the fewest wins in the last 10 years


Northland    55
Crown         54
Bard            50
Elmira          49
Macalaster  40
Principia      39
Earlham      36
Knox           32
Cal Tech      30


Probably a different looking list if we pulled out non D3 wins.  I have several schools who have yet to complete 10 years in D3 that might make this list once they do.  Franciscan for instance who have 28 wins after 8 years.


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2016, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 23, 2016, 12:11:17 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 22, 2016, 11:44:21 PM
Did we ever find out the non D-3 schedule for Rust. There are a lot of Unity type schools in the south (not in hippie-ness, but in shambolic basketball talent).

Well, I gave up.... D3 games are probably all there, but good luck finding every game vs non D3 opponents...

I took some time and looked up the schedules of a handful of schools that Rust has played in the past and schedules of some possibilities that were on THOSE schools schedules... Found that Rust is on Fisk's schedule on Jan 9 and Feb 10  and on Stillman's schedule on Dec 8 and Feb 4... Rust - Stillman score from Dec 8?  Anybody?   Anybody?

Anyway, that's 4 more games added to the 18 that show on D3hoops Sched makes 22... that leaves a possibility of 3 more to be identified... they were NOT on Oakwood, Linsay Wilson, Voorhees, Morris, Wiley, Talladega, Toogaloo, Texas College, Hiwasee, Paul Quinn, Miles, Philander Smith, or Concordia New Orleans!!!!

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on December 23, 2016, 11:57:32 AM
It might be simpler to call the athletic department or the coach.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 23, 2016, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 23, 2016, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 23, 2016, 12:11:17 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 22, 2016, 11:44:21 PM
Did we ever find out the non D-3 schedule for Rust. There are a lot of Unity type schools in the south (not in hippie-ness, but in shambolic basketball talent).

Well, I gave up.... D3 games are probably all there, but good luck finding every game vs non D3 opponents...

I took some time and looked up the schedules of a handful of schools that Rust has played in the past and schedules of some possibilities that were on THOSE schools schedules... Found that Rust is on Fisk's schedule on Jan 9 and Feb 10  and on Stillman's schedule on Dec 8 and Feb 4... Rust - Stillman score from Dec 8?  Anybody?   Anybody?

Anyway, that's 4 more games added to the 18 that show on D3hoops Sched makes 22... that leaves a possibility of 3 more to be identified... they were NOT on Oakwood, Linsay Wilson, Voorhees, Morris, Wiley, Talladega, Toogaloo, Texas College, Hiwasee, Paul Quinn, Miles, Philander Smith, or Concordia New Orleans!!!!

According to Massey, it was Stillman 96, Rust 60.

They also lost to Alcorn state last night 83-68 for those counting on another list.

Massey has them beating Texas College 78-76 on the 15th of November, though the Alcorn State box had them at 1-12. Of course, they may have gotten that from D-3 hoops since this site had them at 1-11.

Discounting the two games against Wiley (exhibitions now doubt because they're before 11/15) - Massey has them at 2-13 with only four games left on their schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2016, 05:44:17 PM
Quote from: augie77 on December 23, 2016, 11:57:32 AM
It might be simpler to call the athletic department or the coach.

Lots of luck getting someone to pick up the phone... per my experience this fall ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 28, 2016, 08:58:05 PM
Well, someone had to fall of the undefeated list.  Still undefeated Ramapo handed Salisbury their first loss tonite in Las Vegas, 66-65.  Both teams shot a lot of bricks - 84 rebounds is a ton of missed shots!  I'd normally assume good defense when two undefeated teams shoot so poorly, but both teams shot UNDER 50% from the line. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 28, 2016, 11:15:32 PM
Salisbury shot 36.7% overall, 38.2% from 3, and 44.4% from the line.  Ramapo shot 44.4% overall, 33.3% from the arc, and 48.4% from the line.  They combined for 33 turnovers.  Kinda have to wonder how these teams entered the game a combined 17-0! :o ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2016, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 28, 2016, 11:15:32 PM
Salisbury shot 36.7% overall, 38.2% from 3, and 44.4% from the line.  Ramapo shot 44.4% overall, 33.3% from the arc, and 48.4% from the line.  They combined for 33 turnovers.  Kinda have to wonder how these teams entered the game a combined 17-0! :o ::)

They're both very good defensive teams.  That showed.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2016, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2016, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 28, 2016, 11:15:32 PM
Salisbury shot 36.7% overall, 38.2% from 3, and 44.4% from the line.  Ramapo shot 44.4% overall, 33.3% from the arc, and 48.4% from the line.  They combined for 33 turnovers.  Kinda have to wonder how these teams entered the game a combined 17-0! :o ::)

They're both very good defensive teams.  That showed.

Yeah, their FT defense was especially impressive! ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 29, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
January 4

(0-11) Franciscan at (0-11) Pitt-Greensburg
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2016, 04:35:10 AM
Overall
Through 12/29/16

Undefeated (6)

Wesleyan
Rochester
Neumann
Ramapo
UW-Whitewater
Whitman


Winless  (16)  1 more drops off... Caltech beats Colorado College 80-71,

Franciscan (Ohio)
SUNY-Cobleskill
MacMurray
Curry
Marywood
John Jay
York (N.Y.)
Utica
Cazenovia
Newbury
Kean
Washington and Jefferson
Pitt-Greensburg
Mitchell
Rutgers-Camden
Huntingdon


Undefeated vs D3 only   (1) 

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps



Winless vs D3 only (3) No Change

Clarks Summit
Rivier
Maranatha Baptist
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 30, 2016, 05:48:28 PM
Curry 61  UMPI 57   :-\

Curry's first win since their last game of the 2014-15 season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 31, 2016, 02:08:02 AM
With Curry winning on Friday and ending their 33 game losing streak that leaves Greek Tragedy and me as the two survivors fighting it out for the Winless Crown.

It could be a short wait as 0-11 Franciscan takes on 0-12 Pitt-Greensburg this coming Wednesday Jan. 4th. At least it's a road game for the Barons. That gives me some hope.

Greek's team, Washington and Jefferson, will have one of their best shots at picking up a W when they play Chatham on Saturday, January 7th, but that's a road game so I don't think they pull it off. Maybe when they host Chatham on February 4th. By then they could be the winner of the Winless  Crown.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 31, 2016, 09:36:38 AM
I'm brimming with anticipation and excitement!   :P  :D  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2016, 10:56:01 AM
I never should have made that positive post about UMPI... sorry Sac  :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2017, 08:30:13 AM
No changes to our lists on 12/31
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2017, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: sac on December 29, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
January 4

(0-11) Franciscan at (0-11) Pitt-Greensburg

Current massey ratings out of 424

Pitt-Greensburg 423
Franciscan 424

Massey likes Pitt-Greensburg to win 82-74 with a 76% chance at victory.


My efficiency calculations have these two as 2 of the 3 lowest rated teams from the Great Lakes Region in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2017, 11:20:44 PM
I wish that NPU didn't have a game taking place at the same time as Franciscan @ Pitt-Greensburg, because in a perverse way I'd find that game entertaining to watch.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2017, 08:21:30 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2017, 11:20:44 PM
I wish that NPU didn't have a game taking place at the same time as Franciscan @ Pitt-Greensburg, because in a perverse way I'd find that game entertaining to watch.

It's all about competition.. would rather see this game than one of our teams get blown out by 30 or 40 vs a nonconference D1 team etc.

I hope the players see this page... could help to make it the biggest game of the year for them....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2017, 07:17:11 PM
Franciscan has a history in this room, but Pitt-Greensburg was a huge plummet into the chasm. It looks like it's just rebuilding though. They do have a 7'0 freshman, which as we all know is rare for any D-3 team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2017, 07:54:01 PM
He's playing less than nine minutes per game, though, and he's averaging about 2 and 2 per game. But what really jumps out at me is that he's shooting only 42% from the field. Even for a freshman, that seems absurdly low for a guy who's six or seven inches taller than everybody who is guarding him in the low post.

I've seen 6'11 benchwarmers in D3 before, and there's a kind of poignance to their presence on the bench. You think about how everybody assumes that 6'11 guys are automatically good at basketball, and about the expectations people have for players of that size to be utterly dominant at the non-scholarship level, and then you see those guys sitting there and you realize that: a) there's so much more to succeeding at this sport than simply being tall; and b) failing to meet everybody's expectations while you're doing something you love must make for a lot of lonely feelings. Then again, as Wilt Chamberlain used to say, nobody roots for Goliath.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2017, 10:25:42 PM
Wesleyan goes from 11-0 to 11-1, losing to a very subpar RIC team, 62-55.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 03, 2017, 10:42:35 PM
Neumann goes to 10-0 beating Marywood who remains winless at 0-11.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: 7express on January 04, 2017, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2017, 07:54:01 PM
He's playing less than nine minutes per game, though, and he's averaging about 2 and 2 per game. But what really jumps out at me is that he's shooting only 42% from the field. Even for a freshman, that seems absurdly low for a guy who's six or seven inches taller than everybody who is guarding him in the low post.

I've seen 6'11 benchwarmers in D3 before, and there's a kind of poignance to their presence on the bench. You think about how everybody assumes that 6'11 guys are automatically good at basketball, and about the expectations people have for players of that size to be utterly dominant at the non-scholarship level, and then you see those guys sitting there and you realize that: a) there's so much more to succeeding at this sport than simply being tall; and b) failing to meet everybody's expectations while you're doing something you love must make for a lot of lonely feelings. Then again, as Wilt Chamberlain used to say, nobody roots for Goliath.

When I was in high school, there was somebody on our varsity team who was 6"6 or 6"7 feet tall, but he was one of the worst players on the court: couldn't jump, couldn't shoot, couldn't dribble (but none of those big guys can dribble anyways), literally all I remembered him doing was standing in the paint, and then when someone took a shot he would put his arms out and maybe he got about 5 rebounds a game that way. 

Just because you are tall doesn't automatically make you a great player.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 04, 2017, 01:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2017, 10:25:42 PM
Wesleyan goes from 11-0 to 11-1, losing to a very subpar RIC team, 62-55.

Yuck. Right after I drafted a Wesleyan player. I was pretty stoked about my team after reading Dave's top 25 blog on Ramapo, NJCU and Wesleyan  (I took players from all 3).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
Overall
Through 1/3/17


Undefeated (5)  Wesleyan lost to Rhode Island College

Rochester
Neumann
Ramapo
UW-Whitewater
Whitman


Winless  (13)  3 more drop off... Huntigdon beats Belhaven 62-61, John Jay beats Sarah Lawrence (did Sarah press charges?) 66-60,   Curry won earlier vs UMPI

Franciscan (Ohio)
SUNY-Cobleskill
MacMurray
Marywood
York (N.Y.)
Utica
Cazenovia
Newbury
Kean
Washington and Jefferson
Pitt-Greensburg
Mitchell
Rutgers-Camden


Undefeated vs D3 only   (1) 

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps



Winless vs D3 only (3)

Clarks Summit
Rivier
Maranatha Baptist
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2017, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 04, 2017, 08:21:25 AMJohn Jay beats Sarah Lawrence (did Sarah press charges?) 66-60

In an office filled with women, that's the kind of joke for which I have to suppress my chuckle, lest one of them ask me what I was laughing about. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 04, 2017, 09:09:46 PM
I know a big guy isn't a great player automatically. It's just the magic 7'0 mark.

I mean, Chuck Nevitt and Mark Eaton weren't great players at all. Just really, really tall (and in Eaton's case, big all around).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2017, 09:36:31 PM
Looks like Franciscan will come off the winless list (and, IIRC the winless contest will be over) - they lead also winless Pitt-Greensburg by 21 with less than 5 to go.

In the pickems, posters picked Pitt-G by a margin of 12-2 - good thing Pat doesn't permit betting! ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2017, 10:15:01 PM
UWW comes off the unbeaten list, losing by double-digits to UW-LaX.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 04, 2017, 11:52:04 PM
I really think Pitt-Greensburg might be historically bad at least in Great Lakes Region terms. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 05, 2017, 03:33:29 AM
With Franciscan's win on Wednesday night that leaves the Greek as the Chairman of the Winless Board. His Washington and Jefferson team may not win a game all year. Congrats for choosing wisely, Greek.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2017, 08:09:56 AM
Overall
Through 1/4/17


Undefeated (4)  UW Whitewater loses to UW LaCrosse

Rochester
Neumann
Ramapo
Whitman


Winless  (12)  1 drops off as Franciscan beats Pitt Greensburg

SUNY-Cobleskill
MacMurray
Marywood
York (N.Y.)
Utica
Cazenovia
Newbury
Kean
Washington and Jefferson
Pitt-Greensburg
Mitchell
Rutgers-Camden


Undefeated vs D3 only   (1) 

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps



Winless vs D3 only (3)

Clarks Summit
Rivier
Maranatha Baptist
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 05, 2017, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 05, 2017, 03:33:29 AM
With Franciscan's win on Wednesday night that leaves the Greek as the Chairman of the Winless Board. His Washington and Jefferson team may not win a game all year. Congrats for choosing wisely, Greek.

Thanks! I put less than 5 minutes into my decision-making process!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: HOPEful on January 05, 2017, 11:10:06 AM
I'm going to take some comfort in the fact that my first (but too late) choice is still undefeated. :) I already knew I wasn't as cool as Augie77, I should have stayed on the bandwagon!

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2016, 09:27:39 AM
Whitman is taken. You can also have them, but you won't be as cool as augie77 if they win the pool.

Quote from: HOPEful on November 01, 2016, 09:15:41 AM
Undefeated: Whitman
Winless: Olivet

Quote from: augie77 on November 01, 2016, 12:01:15 AM
Undefeated Whitman
Winless Fontbonne
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 05, 2017, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: HOPEful on January 05, 2017, 11:10:06 AM
I'm going to take some comfort in the fact that my first (but too late) choice is still undefeated. :) I already knew I wasn't as cool as Augie77, I should have stayed on the bandwagon!

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2016, 09:27:39 AM
Whitman is taken. You can also have them, but you won't be as cool as augie77 if they win the pool.

Quote from: HOPEful on November 01, 2016, 09:15:41 AM
Undefeated: Whitman
Winless: Olivet

Quote from: augie77 on November 01, 2016, 12:01:15 AM
Undefeated Whitman
Winless Fontbonne
Quote from: augie77 on January 26, 2016, 03:32:19 PM
My winless picks have been "big losers" in five of the past six years:

2012: Millikin: 1-24
2013: Knox: 1-22
2014: Knox:  1-22
2016: Martin Luther: 1-23
2017: Fontbonne 1-10 (so far)

Not once have I prevailed in the winless contest.  But I've done well in the "close but no cigar" department. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 06, 2017, 06:24:40 AM
Utica College drops off the Winless List as they defeat Hatrwick College by a 90-86 score last night.

Truly a big upset here as Massey had Hartwick winning by 17 points. Hartwick was 8-2 playing an 0-10 Utica team.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on January 06, 2017, 06:52:03 AM
One of our most lovable losers of all time, Caltech, came off the Winless List back on December 29th when they beat Colorado College. They followed that up with a win over Whittier on January 3rd and last night ran their winning streak to 3 games with a win over Occidental. They are tied for first place in the SCIAC but will face co-leader Claremont-Mudd-Scripps tomorrow. That will probably put an end to their modest streak. The last time the Beavers had at least a 4 game winning streak was the 1994-95 season when they finished with an 8-15 mark and won 6 games in a row. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2017, 08:18:08 AM
Caltech Beating Occidental was an amazing result... Oxy beat Caltech at Caltech by 16 in November, now they win at Oxy by 7.. what a turnaround!!!  Oxy entered this game with a record of 8-2...  These are the kind of games you's love to hear a little more about!!

Utica was not the only team to drop off the winless list last night..

Marywood also is deleted, as they defeat Keystone, 74-68

Winless number drops to 10... no other changes!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2017, 08:06:18 AM
No changes on 1/6/17
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2017, 09:18:44 AM
More teams drop off the winless column!!!

MacMurray stuns league leading Eureka for its first win, Rutgers-Camden wins a battle of the winless vs Kean, and Cazenovia beats 1 win Keuka!!

Winless numbers drop to 7!!

Here's where we stand through 1/7 after a very active Saturday

Undefeated (4)

Rochester
Neumann
Ramapo
Whitman


Winless  (7) 

SUNY-Cobleskill
York (N.Y.)
Newbury
Kean
Washington and Jefferson
Pitt-Greensburg
Mitchell



Undefeated vs D3 only   (1) 

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps



Winless vs D3 only (3)

Clarks Summit
Rivier
Maranatha Baptist

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 09, 2017, 11:39:53 PM
Goodbye, Neumann...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2017, 07:21:29 AM
AND....  York (NY) falls off winless list, defeating Brooklyn 81-73!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2017, 06:30:45 PM
Possible upset alert!  Undefeated Ramapo trails New Jersey City by 7 w/ 8+ to go.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Ramapo trailed the entire second half (though never by more than 9), finally tied the game with 3 seconds left.  But they lost in OT, 76-71, to fall from the ranks of the undefeated.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: TheOsprey on January 15, 2017, 10:10:27 AM
Stockton tried to take Kean off the list, but a last second tip in keeps the home team winless. ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: TheOsprey on January 15, 2017, 01:56:58 PM
Scratch Rochester off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2017, 03:48:47 PM
Well then.  Whitman is the final undefeated team!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: warriorcat on January 15, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
We could have another winless team leaving the island. SUNY Cobleskill is up 60-40 with 11minutes to play over Keuka. Keuka's only win?  OT vs SUNY Cobleskill in December
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2017, 03:41:31 AM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 15, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
We could have another winless team leaving the island. SUNY Cobleskill is up 60-40 with 11minutes to play over Keuka. Keuka's only win?  OT vs SUNY Cobleskill in December

Yes   SUNY Cobleskill does beat Keuka, falling from the winless list  5 winless remain.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2017, 09:35:28 AM
WELL  WELL  WELL   you never know when it will happen!!

2 more drop off winless list!!!

NEWBURY beats Elms, 83-80    (Elms entered with 2 wins)

and

MITCHELL beats Regis (Mass.)  71-67   (at Regis, Regis entered with 6 wins)

only 3 winless left... Pitt Greensburg, Kean, W&J
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
It's a shame that Pitt-Greensburg and Washington & Jefferson don't play each other this season. They're only an hour apart.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2017, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
It's a shame that Pitt-Greensburg and Washington & Jefferson don't play each other this season. They're only an hour apart.

exactly... they should set up an exhibition, or even drop a league game, and play... can you imagine how big that would be for the players... in all seriousness...it would be their game of the year.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2017, 07:40:39 AM

What does our full list look like these days?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2017, 04:05:28 AM
Undefeated : (1)
Whitman

Winless : (3)
Pitt-Greensburg
Kean
Washington & Jefferson

Undefeated vs D3 only : (1)
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps

Winless vs D3 only: (3)
Clarks Summiit
Rivier
Maranatha Baptist
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 20, 2017, 12:49:43 PM
UNDEFEATED:

Best Chances for a Loss:

Whitman - 1/24 @ Whitworth (38% chance of being upset)
CMS - 1/21 @ Cal Lutheran (47% chance of being upset)

WINLESS:

Best Chances for a Win:

Pitt-Greensburg - 2/8 @ Franciscan (30% chance)
Kean - 2/4 vs. Rutgers - Camden (32% chance)
W&J - 1/28 vs. Grove City (22% chance)

Clarks Summit - 1/28 vs. Cairn (18% chance)
Rivier - 2/1 vs. Suffolk (16% chance)
Maranatha - 1/24 vs. Dominican (10% chance)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2017, 01:26:47 PM
Fun!!! Thanks Smed
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2017, 07:19:28 PM

Wash & Jeff won a game today.  I did not think it would happen.  On the road at Geneva.  They're off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2017, 04:48:10 AM
AMAZING! It had to happen this way!  Both of our winless WIN, taking our winless list to NONE!

Kean over Rutgers-Newark 68-64

Pitt-Greensburg over Mount Aloysius 82-77
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 26, 2017, 02:09:27 PM
In a weird way, this might be the ultimate proof of the parity in D3 that everybody's talking about: No winless teams, and only one undefeated team, and we still have another January weekend to go.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 28, 2017, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 20, 2017, 12:49:43 PM
UNDEFEATED:

Best Chances for a Loss:

Whitman - 1/24 @ Whitworth (38% chance of being upset)
CMS - 1/21 @ Cal Lutheran (47% chance of being upset)

WINLESS:

Best Chances for a Win:

Pitt-Greensburg - 2/8 @ Franciscan (30% chance)
Kean - 2/4 vs. Rutgers - Camden (32% chance)
W&J - 1/28 vs. Grove City (22% chance)

Clarks Summit - 1/28 vs. Cairn (18% chance)

Rivier - 2/1 vs. Suffolk (16% chance)
Maranatha - 1/24 vs. Dominican (10% chance)

Clarks Summit by 7 at the half over Cairn. Could they drop off the winless against D3 list?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on January 28, 2017, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 28, 2017, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 20, 2017, 12:49:43 PM
UNDEFEATED:

Best Chances for a Loss:

Whitman - 1/24 @ Whitworth (38% chance of being upset)
CMS - 1/21 @ Cal Lutheran (47% chance of being upset)

WINLESS:

Best Chances for a Win:

Pitt-Greensburg - 2/8 @ Franciscan (30% chance)
Kean - 2/4 vs. Rutgers - Camden (32% chance)
W&J - 1/28 vs. Grove City (22% chance)

Clarks Summit - 1/28 vs. Cairn (18% chance)

Rivier - 2/1 vs. Suffolk (16% chance)
Maranatha - 1/24 vs. Dominican (10% chance)

Clarks Summit by 7 at the half over Cairn. Could they drop off the winless against D3 list?

Nope. Clarks Summit loses. Final Cairn 85-81.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2017, 02:52:38 PM
Cairn recovers for the win.   Clarks Summit still with us.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2017, 03:57:51 PM

Rivier got creamed by a 4-win Emmanuel.  They may have permanent residency.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 30, 2017, 03:19:22 PM
For the contest, I really wish we could discount the Unity / Rivier game   ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2017, 06:22:22 AM
Claremont Mudd Scripps whipped by Pomona Pitzer, 80-61, to be the final school to fall off our Undefeated vs D3 only list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 09, 2017, 06:57:47 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2017, 03:57:51 PM

Rivier got creamed by a 4-win Emmanuel.  They may have permanent residency.


YIKES... HOLD THE PRESSES!!!

2/8/17      RIVIER 60   ST. JOE'S Maine   57

The RIV falls off the winless vs D3 only list... leaving Clark's Summit and Maranatha Baptist remaining
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 11, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Clark's Summt vs. Maranatha Baptist - TWO TEAMS ENTER...everyone leaves?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Clark's Summt vs. Maranatha Baptist - TWO TEAMS ENTER...everyone leaves?

Clarks Summit has 2 games left. I see them finishing winless. I don't think think they're going to beat Gwynedd(#3 in CSAC) or Rosemont(#4) on the road. Marantha has 1 game left against Ill. Tech on the road. What are they're chances?

Plus are there any D3 teams that will be in the NCCAA playoffs they could beat?(If of course they get invited)  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2017, 12:39:08 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 14, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 11, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Clark's Summt vs. Maranatha Baptist - TWO TEAMS ENTER...everyone leaves?

Clarks Summit has 2 games left. I see them finishing winless. I don't think think they're going to beat Gwynedd(#3 in CSAC) or Rosemont(#4) on the road. Marantha has 1 game left against Ill. Tech on the road. What are they're chances?

Nonexistent. Illinois Tech is good. The Scarlet Hawks will turn their game against the Sabercats into an ivory hunt.

I know that the two teams played a close game up in Wisconsin at the end of January before IIT eventually prevailed by seven, but lightning is not going to strike twice in favor of MBBC.

Quote from: mailsy on February 14, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
Plus are there any D3 teams that will be in the NCCAA playoffs they could beat?(If of course they get invited)  ;D

No. They're in NCCAA D2, and that's the level that really doesn't have any midwestern D3 outfits other than Maranatha Baptist.

The good news if you're Maranatha Baptist is that you always gets invited to the NCCAA D2 playoffs. And the Sabercats always win their opening game in the NCCAA D2 regional, or at least that's been the case over the past ten seasons. Sometimes they'll even win a couple of NCCAA D2 tourney games before they inevitably lose (it's almost always Grace Bible, a school based in Grand Rapids that is legitimately solid even by D3 standards, and which has been the occasional bete noire of Calvin, that beats the Sabercats). But, while you don't have to worry about Maranatha Baptist winning in the postseason, you can pretty much count out the Sabercats in terms of facing a D3 team in that tourney.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2017, 07:37:17 PM
Unfortunately, or fortunately, Clarks Summit goes down to defeat today. Finishing the season at 1-24. They finished winless against D3 competition this year.

Will they be the only one left?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2017, 12:05:42 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 18, 2017, 07:37:17 PM
Unfortunately, or fortunately, Clarks Summit goes down to defeat today. Finishing the season at 1-24. They finished winless against D3 competition this year.

Will they be the only one left?

Rosemont was so mean - they let the Defenders stay around all game, then won by 5 or 7 or something.  Very mean.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 17, 2017, 09:09:47 PM
Whitman falls off the undefeated list as they lose to Babson 91-85 in the Final Four. The Blues were up by as many as 25 in the first half.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on August 24, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
Right now, everyone is on both lists...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on October 26, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
Ill show my cards and seek a ruling....  If I go with my heart over my head by taking Augustana for undefeated...will their game against Illinois count?  For the D-I Illini it counts as a game (I believe), but for the D-III team it's an exhibition.  Would an exhibition loss eliminate me from the undefeated pool?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 26, 2017, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: augie77 on October 26, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
Ill show my cards and seek a ruling....  If I go with my heart over my head by taking Augustana for undefeated...will their game against Illinois count?  For the D-I Illini it counts as a game (I believe), but for the D-III team it's an exhibition.  Would an exhibition loss eliminate me from the undefeated pool?

No. But I opened a new thread for the survivor pool so those who don't participate in such fantasy leagues won't get irritated. And you can't "officially" pick until November 1.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on October 26, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
Understood...  Thank you!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2017, 12:01:30 AM
I think this thread should be moved back to the multi-regional topics and out of the fantasy board since the actual picking has it's own thread now
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 21, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Update:

Some are still undefeated, some are still winless.

Thank you. Please...get home safely.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 21, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Update:

Some are still undefeated, some are still winless.

Thank you. Please...get home safely.
And a few are still both:
Knox - 11/21
Merchant Marine - 11/21
SUNY-Old Westbury - 11/21
Carleton - 11/22
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on November 21, 2017, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 21, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Update:

Some are still undefeated, some are still winless.

Thank you. Please...get home safely.
And a few are still both:
Knox - 11/21
Merchant Marine - 11/21
SUNY-Old Westbury - 11/21
Carleton - 11/22

I have Knox as my winless team over in the Survivors Pool.  Virtually guaranteed to survive the first week.   :)
Title: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2017, 12:05:14 AM
Here you go.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2017, 05:39:43 AM
Sure... let's get this started!!!!

Through games of 12/8/17

UNDEFEATED  (18)
Emory and Henry
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Middlebury
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
Pacific
Pfeiffer
Southern Vermont
Swarthmore
Transylvania
UW-Oshkosh
Wesleyan
Whitman
Whitworth
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)

Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (4)
Eureka
Occidental
Wartburg
Westminster (Pa.)

WINLESS  (19)
Brevard
Brooklyn
Caltech
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Franciscan (Ohio)
Goucher
Iowa Wesleyan
Knox
La Verne
Louisiana College
Maine Maritime
Martin Luther
Otterbein
Randolph
Rivier
Valley Forge
Vassar

Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3)  (6)
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Fontbonne
MacMurray
McDaniel
Pfeiffer
Pomona-Pitzer

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2017, 05:12:56 AM
Through Games of 12/9/17

UNDEFEATED  (16)
Emory and Henry
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Middlebury
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
Pacific
Pfeiffer
Swarthmore
UW-Oshkosh
Wesleyan
Whitman
Whitworth
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (3))
Occidental
Wartburg
Westminster (Pa.)
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (15)
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
Iowa Wesleyan
Knox
La Verne
Louisiana College
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Randolph
Rivier
Valley Forge
Vassar
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3)  (3)
Fontbonne
MacMurray
Pomona-Pitzer
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 11, 2017, 10:38:48 AM
Otterbein has a game with Muskingum this week and Albion after Christmas in their tournament along with winner/loser of Anderson/Centre, if they don't pick up a win there they might not get a chance to win a game until late January when they host Wilmington. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2017, 12:47:31 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2017, 10:38:48 AM
Otterbein has a game with Muskingum this week and Albion after Christmas in their tournament along with winner/loser of Anderson/Centre, if they don't pick up a win there they might not get a chance to win a game until late January when they host Wilmington.

Back in the 80's when I lived and died Hope Basketball, hearing Ott and Witt as possible Tourney opponents sent shivers down my spine... Witt continues to be solid, such a shame that Ott has fallen so far... there was a guy named Dick Hempy that played there... GREAT player...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2017, 03:43:03 PM
Through Games of 12/10/17

UNDEFEATED  (16)
Emory and Henry
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Middlebury
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
Pacific
Pfeiffer
Swarthmore
UW-Oshkosh
Wesleyan
Whitman
Whitworth
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (3))
Occidental
Wartburg
Westminster (Pa.)
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (14)
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
Iowa Wesleyan
Knox
La Verne
Louisiana College
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Randolph
Valley Forge
Vassar
Rivier defeated Paul Smith's 99-72 on 12/10  moves to winless vs D3 only list
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3)  (4)
Fontbonne
MacMurray
Pomona-Pitzer
Rivier
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2017, 05:55:36 AM
Through Games of 12/11/17

UNDEFEATED  (16)
Emory and Henry
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Middlebury
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
Pacific
Pfeiffer
Swarthmore
UW-Oshkosh
Wesleyan
Whitman
Whitworth
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (3))
Occidental
Wartburg
Westminster (Pa.)
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (12) down from 14
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
Iowa Wesleyan
La Verne
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Randolph
Valley Forge
Vassar
Louisiana College defeated Birmingham Southern 96-86 on 12/11
Knox defeated Maranatha Baptist 82-79 on 12/11
Rivier defeated Paul Smith's 99-72 on 12/10  moves to winless vs D3 only list
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3)  (4)
Fontbonne
MacMurray
Pomona-Pitzer
Rivier
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2017, 04:36:32 AM
no changes from games of 12/12
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2017, 06:02:04 AM
Through Games of 12/11/17

UNDEFEATED  (15) Down from (16)
Emory and Henry
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Middlebury
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
Pacific
Pfeiffer
Swarthmore
UW-Oshkosh
Wesleyan
Whitman
Whitworth
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Swarhmore lost to York (Pa.) 83-79 on 12/13
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (3)
Occidental
Wartburg
Westminster (Pa.)
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (12)
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
Iowa Wesleyan
La Verne
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Randolph
Valley Forge
Vassar
Louisiana College defeated Birmingham Southern 96-86 on 12/11
Knox defeated Maranatha Baptist 82-79 on 12/11
Rivier defeated Paul Smith's 99-72 on 12/10  moves to winless vs D3 only list
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3)  (4)
Fontbonne
MacMurray
Pomona-Pitzer
Rivier
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2017, 04:11:14 AM
No changes from games of 12/14 or 12/15
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: gordonmann on December 17, 2017, 01:21:50 AM
New Jersey City keeps itself on the nice list and Randolph gets off the naughty list, both with buzzer beaters.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2017, 03:43:55 AM
Through Games of 12/17/17

UNDEFEATED  (15)   No Changes from Prior
Emory and Henry
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Middlebury
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
Pacific
Pfeiffer
UW-Oshkosh
Wesleyan
Whitman
Whitworth
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Swarthmore lost to York (Pa.) 83-79 on 12/13
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (3)   No changes from prior
Occidental
Wartburg
Westminster (Pa.)
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (10)  Down from (12)
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
La Verne
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Valley Forge
Vassar
Randolph Defeated Southern Virginia 60-59 on 12/16
Iowa Wesleyan Defeated Blackburn 88-85 on 12/16

Louisiana College defeated Birmingham Southern 96-86 on 12/11
Knox defeated Maranatha Baptist 82-79 on 12/11
Rivier defeated Paul Smith's 99-72 on 12/10  moves to winless vs D3 only list
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3) (3) down from (4)
Fontbonne
Pomona-Pitzer
Rivier
MacMurray defeated Spalding 64-60 on 12/16
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2017, 09:03:33 AM
12/17/17    Occidental falls off undefeated vs D3 list, losing to Whitman  73-69
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2017, 05:23:02 AM
12/18/17.... Pacific falls off the Unbeaten list, losing to Messiah 80-62

Given all the hype surrounding the NWC, this score really surprised me... Messiah came in at 6-3, but had been predicted to come in last in the the MACC by the Coach's preseason forecast.   They've evidently turned things around nicely....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2017, 11:56:23 PM
Whitworth falls to Wheaton, 92-84.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 20, 2017, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2017, 03:43:55 AM

MacMurray defeated Spalding 64-60 on 12/16

Insert Caddyshack joke here...

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2017, 05:37:16 AM
Update Through Games of 12/21/17

UNDEFEATED  (13)   Down from (15)
Emory and Henry
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Middlebury
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
Pfeiffer
UW-Oshkosh
Wesleyan
Whitman
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Whitworth lost to Wheaton (Il.) 92-84 on 12/19
Pacific lost to Messiah 80-62 on 12/18
Swarthmore lost to York (Pa.) 83-79 on 12/13
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (2)   Down from (3)
Wartburg
Westminster (Pa.)
Occidental loses to Whitman 73-69 on 12/17
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (10)  No change from prior
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
La Verne
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Valley Forge
Vassar
Randolph Defeated Southern Virginia 60-59 on 12/16
Iowa Wesleyan Defeated Blackburn 88-85 on 12/16
Louisiana College defeated Birmingham Southern 96-86 on 12/11
Knox defeated Maranatha Baptist 82-79 on 12/11
Rivier defeated Paul Smith's 99-72 on 12/10  moves to winless vs D3 only list
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3) (3) No change from prior
Fontbonne
Pomona-Pitzer
Rivier
MacMurray defeated Spalding 64-60 on 12/16
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 22, 2017, 08:37:27 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 22, 2017, 05:37:16 AM
Update Through Games of 12/21/17

UNDEFEATED  (13)   Down from (15)
Emory and Henry
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming

Middlebury
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
Pfeiffer
UW-Oshkosh
Wesleyan
Whitman
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Whitworth lost to Wheaton (Il.) 92-84 on 12/19
Pacific lost to Messiah 80-62 on 12/18
Swarthmore lost to York (Pa.) 83-79 on 12/13
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (2)   Down from (3)
Wartburg
Westminster (Pa.)
Occidental loses to Whitman 73-69 on 12/17
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (10)  No change from prior
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
La Verne
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Valley Forge
Vassar
Randolph Defeated Southern Virginia 60-59 on 12/16
Iowa Wesleyan Defeated Blackburn 88-85 on 12/16
Louisiana College defeated Birmingham Southern 96-86 on 12/11
Knox defeated Maranatha Baptist 82-79 on 12/11
Rivier defeated Paul Smith's 99-72 on 12/10  moves to winless vs D3 only list
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3) (3) No change from prior
Fontbonne
Pomona-Pitzer
Rivier
MacMurray defeated Spalding 64-60 on 12/16
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9

This is setting up a grand battle of central PA; I'm surprised these teams haven't played each other in their non-conference schedule; Lycoming and Juniata used to be in the same conference(MAC).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2017, 06:06:31 AM
no changes through 12/28
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2017, 06:32:01 AM
12/29/17   TWO Fall off the Undefeated list

Middlebury loses the battle of undefeateds,   York (Pa.) 90 Middlebury 87

New Jersey City falls BIG to Johns Hopkins, 72-56

No other changes to our lists
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2017, 05:21:00 AM
12/30/17

Wartburg falls off the Undefeated vs D3 only list, losing to Augsburg 68-64


2 more fall off undefeated list

Emory and Henry off undefeated, losing to Wooster 77-68

UW-Oshkosh STUNNED by Ripon, 83-80


Winless list loses one

Vassar gets first win, beating Marymount  91-74


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2018, 12:35:13 AM
12/31/17

Wesleyan falls off undefeated list, losing to Springfield 72-67
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 01, 2018, 08:31:35 AM
Update Through Games of 12/31/17

UNDEFEATED  (8)
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Nebraska Wesleyan
Pfeiffer (transitioning)
Whitman
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (1)
Westminster (Pa.)


WINLESS  (9)
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
La Verne
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Valley Forge


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3) (3)
Fontbonne
Pomona-Pitzer
Rivier
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2018, 09:35:50 AM
Update Through Games of 12/31/17

UNDEFEATED  (8)   Down from (13)
Hamilton
Juniata
Lycoming
Nebraska Wesleyan
Pfeiffer
Whitman
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Wesleyan lost to Springfield  72-67 on 12/31
UW-Oshkosh lost to Ripon 83-80 on 12/30
Emory and Henry lost to Wooster 77-68 on 12/30
New Jersey City lost to Johns Hopkins 72-56 on 12/29
Middlebury lost to York (Pa.) 90-87 on 12/29
Whitworth lost to Wheaton (Il.) 92-84 on 12/19
Pacific lost to Messiah 80-62 on 12/18
Swarthmore lost to York (Pa.) 83-79 on 12/13
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  (1)   Down from (2)
Westminster (Pa.)
Wartburg lost to Augsburg 68-64 on 12/30
Occidental loses to Whitman 73-69 on 12/17
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (9)  Down from (10)
Brooklyn
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
La Verne
Maine Maritime
Otterbein
Valley Forge
Vassar Defeated Marymount 91-74 on 12/30
Randolph Defeated Southern Virginia 60-59 on 12/16
Iowa Wesleyan Defeated Blackburn 88-85 on 12/16
Louisiana College defeated Birmingham Southern 96-86 on 12/11
Knox defeated Maranatha Baptist 82-79 on 12/11
Rivier defeated Paul Smith's 99-72 on 12/10  moves to winless vs D3 only list
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3) (3) No change from prior
Fontbonne
Pomona-Pitzer
Rivier
MacMurray defeated Spalding 64-60 on 12/16
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2018, 09:14:23 AM
A Happy New Year for Pomona Pitzer!!!

On 1/1/18, They fall off the winless vs D3 only list, beating Redlands, 101-90.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2018, 03:23:40 AM
1/2/18

Maine Maritime leaps off the winless charts, defeating Curry  84-73.....
we should have seen this one coming, as Curry entered the game with an 1-8 record, their only win against winless Elms!!

Now 8 left in winless, 8 in undefeated
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2018, 01:07:02 PM
We're getting down to the the nitty gritty of conference play, so I expect more shrinkage very soon.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2018, 09:50:38 PM

Lyco went out.  York and Juniata both had tight, difficult wins against teams they should've beaten by more.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Team First on January 03, 2018, 10:26:03 PM
QuoteLyco went out.  York and Juniata both had tight, difficult wins against teams they should've beaten by more.

Holidays are tough in D3 world. Any win is a good win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2018, 10:41:11 PM

Nebraska Wesleyan went down, as well - not really a surprise with their crazy weak schedule thus far, but one more team off the list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2018, 05:19:48 AM
Yes, many changes on our lists on the evening of 1/3/18...

The Undefeated List decreases by 2, down to 6
Lycoming loses to Lebanon Valley, 71-61
Nebraska Wesleyan loses to Buena Vista 91-75

The Undefeated vs D3 only list loses its only member
Westminster (Pa.) loses to Thomas More, 72-65

The winless list decreases by 1, down to 7
Brooklyn beats John Jay, 76-67
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2018, 04:46:43 PM
Update Through Games of 1/4/18, with a BIG weekend coming up

UNDEFEATED  (6)   Down from (8)
Hamilton
Juniata
Pfeiffer
Whitman
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)
Lycoming lost to Lebanon Valley 71-61 on 1/3/18
Nebraska Wesleyan lost to Buena Vista 91-75 on 1/3/18
Wesleyan lost to Springfield  72-67 on 12/31
UW-Oshkosh lost to Ripon 83-80 on 12/30
Emory and Henry lost to Wooster 77-68 on 12/30
New Jersey City lost to Johns Hopkins 72-56 on 12/29
Middlebury lost to York (Pa.) 90-87 on 12/29
Whitworth lost to Wheaton (Il.) 92-84 on 12/19
Pacific lost to Messiah 80-62 on 12/18
Swarthmore lost to York (Pa.) 83-79 on 12/13
Southern Vermont lost to Lehman 96-71 on 12/9
Transylvania lost to Rose-Hulman 81-75 on 12/9


Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  No one left, down from (1)
Westminster (Pa.) lost to Thomas More 72-65 on 1/3/18
Wartburg lost to Augsburg 68-64 on 12/30
Occidental loses to Whitman 73-69 on 12/17
Eureka lost to Blackburn 78-61 on 12/9

WINLESS  (7)  Down from (9)
CCNY
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
La Verne
Otterbein
Valley Forge
Brooklyn Defeated John Jay 76-67 on 1/3/18
Maine Maritime Defeated Curry 84-73 on 1/2/18
Vassar Defeated Marymount 91-74 on 12/30
Randolph Defeated Southern Virginia 60-59 on 12/16
Iowa Wesleyan Defeated Blackburn 88-85 on 12/16
Louisiana College defeated Birmingham Southern 96-86 on 12/11
Knox defeated Maranatha Baptist 82-79 on 12/11
Rivier defeated Paul Smith's 99-72 on 12/10  moves to winless vs D3 only list
Brevard defeated Berea 68-62 on 12/9
Caltech defeated UC-Santa Cruz 74-65 on 12/9
Franciscan (Ohio) defeated Pitt-Bradford 65-56 on 12/9
Martin Luther defeated Northland 72-67 on 12/9


Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3) (2) down from (3)
Fontbonne
Rivier
Pomona-Pitzer defeated Redlands 101-90 on 1/1/18
MacMurray defeated Spalding 64-60 on 12/16
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps defeated Pomona-Pitzer 72-67 on 12/9
Pfeiffer defeated Averett 123-107 on 12/9
McDaniel defeated Goucher 69-53 on 12/9
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2018, 06:41:21 AM
1/6/18

Juniata falls off undefeated list, losing to Catholic 82-70....    5 left on Undefeated list

Fontbonne wins off winless vs D3 only list, beating MacMurray 78-77..... 1 left on winless vs D3 only list
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 09, 2018, 01:13:25 PM
Toughest remaining game for the Undefeated per Massey matchups:

Hamilton - 2/10 vs. Williams 61%
Pfeiffer - 1/21 @Maryville 65%
Whitman - 2/8 @ Whitworth 59%
Wittenberg - 2/14 @ OWU 45%
Yorkpa - 2/17 @ Christopher Newport 57%

Easiest remaining game for our Winless (of all stripes):

CCNY - 1/9 vs. Brooklyn 39%
Elms - 1/18 vs. Wheelock 32%
FDU-Florham - 2/10 vs. Del Val 35%
Goucher - 1/20 vs. Elizabethtown 14%
La Verne - 2/17 vs. Caltech 25%
Otterbein - 2/10 vs. Muskingum 31%
Valley Forge - 1/20 vs. Vaughn 89% (Best shot at a D3 win, 1/19 vs. Medgar Evans 60%)
Rivier - 1/30 vs. Emmanuel 13%
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 14, 2018, 12:03:00 AM
CCNY is winless no more, they beat York (not The BeltTM holders of course, the CUNY York of Queens) 86-77
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2018, 06:16:57 AM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on January 14, 2018, 12:03:00 AM
CCNY is winless no more, they beat York (not The BeltTM holders of course, the CUNY York of Queens) 86-77

Way to go CCNY
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2018, 04:33:35 AM
Still no changes, but Rivier barely retains its spot, losing last night to Regis, 87-85.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2018, 04:31:47 AM
1/19/18... Valley Forge off the winless list, wins over Medgar Evers 88-77

Congrats to Valley Forge!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2018, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 20, 2018, 04:31:47 AM
1/19/18... Valley Forge off the winless list, wins over Medgar Evers 88-77

Congrats to Valley Forge!!

It was the worst winter for Valley Forge since 1775. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2018, 09:48:38 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2018, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 20, 2018, 04:31:47 AM
1/19/18... Valley Forge off the winless list, wins over Medgar Evers 88-77

Congrats to Valley Forge!!

It was the worst winter for Valley Forge since 1775. ;D

HAHA.. I was going to say Valley Forge successfully crossed the river to win, but alas, the game was at home....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2018, 10:01:26 AM
Many more remaining teams this year on Jan. 20 than last year on the same day:

Current year Jan 20, 2018

UNDEFEATED  (5)
Hamilton
Pfeiffer
Whitman
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)

Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  No one left

WINLESS  (5)
Elms
FDU-Florham
Goucher
La Verne
Otterbein

Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3) (1)
Rivier

In 2017, on Jan 20 the list looked like this:

Undefeated : (1)
Whitman

Winless : (3)
Pitt-Greensburg
Kean
Washington & Jefferson

Undefeated vs D3 only : (1)
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps

Winless vs D3 only: (3)
Clarks Summiit
Rivier
Maranatha Baptist


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2018, 04:19:06 PM
Hamilton is going to take their first loss today.  With under 4 to go, Amherst is up by 26!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: John Gleich on January 20, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
No. 4 York (Pa.)    57    Mary Washington    59    Final
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2018, 09:33:52 PM

Pfeiffer lost as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2018, 09:41:46 PM
Tough day to be an undefeated team! 8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2018, 04:54:45 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 20, 2018, 10:01:26 AM
Many more remaining teams this year on Jan. 20 than last year on the same day:

Current year Jan 20, 2018

UNDEFEATED  (5)
Hamilton
Pfeiffer
Whitman
Wittenberg
York (Pa.)



WOW... no sooner said, than DONE

1/20/18  3 disappear from undefeated list..... only Whitman and Wittenberg remain

York Pa loses to Mary Washington (who was 11-5)  by a score of  59-57

Hamilton loses to Amherst (who was  9-6)  by a score of  75-49

Pfeiffer loses to Covenant (who was  7-7)  by a score of  105-101


No change to our loser's group... each of the 5 played, each of the 5 lost by double digits... as did Rivier
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2018, 06:17:07 AM
In one night    1/24/18  we lose 2 from our winless list

Elms wins for the first time.... over Lesley   66-62

AND

FDU-Florham wins too... over Manhattanville   62-54

Our lists are reduced to:

UNDEFEATED  (2)
Whitman
Wittenberg

Undefeated vs D3 only   (with losses to non-D3)  No one left

WINLESS  (3)
Goucher
La Verne
Otterbein

Winless vs D3 only  (with wins vs non-D3) (1)
Rivier

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 25, 2018, 08:59:41 AM
I'm thinking Otterbein is going to make it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 10:56:59 AM
Not sure about the other divisions, but Goucher is the only one in DIII who has two winless programs...

We will remember this year fondly when they turn it around.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 25, 2018, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 10:56:59 AM
Not sure about the other divisions, but Goucher is the only one in DIII who has two winless programs...

We will remember this year fondly when they turn it around.

Ouch! I'm not sure about undefeated/winless against D3 opponents, but it looks like the remaining WBB totally winless are Goucher, Bay Path, Bard, Mount Holyoke, NJCU, Medgar Evers, Anderson and Rivier (men 0-for-D3 too, eeep).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 25, 2018, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 10:56:59 AM
Not sure about the other divisions, but Goucher is the only one in DIII who has two winless programs...

We will remember this year fondly when they turn it around.

D1  Miss Valley St is 0-20  on the men's side, 0-19 on the women's side.


Miss Valley St is the only O'fer team in D1 and D2 in men's basketball.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 25, 2018, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on January 25, 2018, 11:35:15 AM

Ouch! I'm not sure about undefeated/winless against D3 opponents, but it looks like the remaining WBB totally winless are Goucher, Bay Path, Bard, Mount Holyoke, NJCU, Medgar Evers, Anderson and Rivier (men 0-for-D3 too, eeep).

NJCU cleaned house, I believe, after their *issues*. Of the 11 listed on the box score after the incident with Yorkny, only four remain. They must have done a all-campus call-out. Several of the numbers had to be re-used. What a mess.

Franciscan's women are 'defeated' as well.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on January 25, 2018, 02:09:52 PM
Any thoughts on how a perennial losing program can turn it around, beyond "getting better players" (easier said than done)?  If you're a newly hired athletic director or coach, how do you proceed?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 25, 2018, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on January 25, 2018, 11:35:15 AM

Ouch! I'm not sure about undefeated/winless against D3 opponents, but it looks like the remaining WBB totally winless are Goucher, Bay Path, Bard, Mount Holyoke, NJCU, Medgar Evers, Anderson and Rivier (men 0-for-D3 too, eeep).

NJCU cleaned house, I believe, after their *issues*. Of the 11 listed on the box score after the incident with Yorkny, only four remain. They must have done a all-campus call-out. Several of the numbers had to be re-used. What a mess.

Yes... basically cleaned house after their fighting incident. A number of players were suspended from what I heard and we know about the coaching staff.

Quote from: augie77 on January 25, 2018, 02:09:52 PM
Any thoughts on how a perennial losing program can turn it around, beyond "getting better players" (easier said than done)?  If you're a newly hired athletic director or coach, how do you proceed?

All depends on the program, department, institution, etc.

At my alma mater, the women's program has a new coach this season (and a lot of bad luck). The men's coach is in just his third season and told some experienced guys not to come back this season - they weren't helping change the culture.

The most important part... have patience and time after major decisions like new coaching staffs.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 28, 2018, 12:59:10 AM
Otterbein beats Heidelberg for their first win  78-69
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2018, 03:45:24 AM
YES... The Ott, the Big O, Otterbein, gets off the list!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2018, 10:24:13 AM
Did anybody else notice that WINLESS LaVerne almost..... ALMOST....   came off our list the other day, losing to Occidental by 4, at Occidental... Occidental came in to the game 15-2, 8-0....  never let your guard down!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 29, 2018, 04:57:45 PM
I did some research on LaVerne on why they're struggling so much.  Lost 6 of top 8 guys from last season, leading returning scorer was  single digit guy.  What makes them a little more odd than most of our winless teams over the years is they have a mostly upper class rotation.  8 Jr. and Sr's from what looks like a 10 man rotation.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 31, 2018, 12:02:25 AM
Rivier get their first D3 win of the year 86-80 over Emmanuel
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2018, 05:03:40 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 31, 2018, 12:02:25 AM
Rivier get their first D3 win of the year 86-80 over Emmanuel

Yep... the RIV... off the list!!!!

So we have Wittenberg and Whitman  Undefeated

LaVerne and Goucher Winless

    LaVerne has 2 teams they've played very close left on their schedule... Redlands (2/7) and Caltech (2/17)
    Goucher's biggest remaining game is with Susquehanna on 2/3... they lost to Susquy by 1 earlier in the season...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2018, 11:59:36 AM
... not saying anything ahead of tonight's game, but let it be known... I have a feeling... (could be a really bad feeling, but there is some feeling)...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2018, 10:52:34 PM
... never mind.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2018, 06:16:36 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2018, 10:52:34 PM
... never mind.

::) ::) ::)         ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2018, 07:06:10 PM
One can be hopeful teams are overlooking them... Saturday ... may be a better chance. :)

Can't blame me, can you? I have a new "win" announcement to debut... that I haven't been able to show off, yet!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2018, 06:12:19 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2018, 07:06:10 PM
One can be hopeful teams are overlooking them... Saturday ... may be a better chance. :)


UGH... :'(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 10:32:45 AM
There were moments. It was a decently close game, actually. Just couldn't play a full 40 minutes or take advantage of moments when Susquehanna struggled. As a result, not close enough at the end to make a run at it.

Oh well... tough finish. Not sure if they can get the win or not.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2018, 07:16:20 AM
Keep your eye on the West Coast scores tonight! 

LaVerne hostd Redlands... played them close at Redlands earlier in the season... could be LaVerne's chance to get first win!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2018, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2018, 07:16:20 AM
Keep your eye on the West Coast scores tonight! 

LaVerne hostd Redlands... played them close at Redlands earlier in the season... could be LaVerne's chance to get first win!!!


nope, another close loss for LaVerne
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2018, 04:00:44 PM

Witt goes down on Senior Day at Hiram.  Whitman the last undefeated team.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: guest323 on February 11, 2018, 01:30:49 AM
Liztown beat Goucher...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: guest323 on February 11, 2018, 01:30:49 AM
Liztown beat Goucher...

Yeah... no surprise. Honestly, I'm not betting they find the win... which is crazy considering how many games they have been in and what they could do... just don't have any luck or the ability to play all 40 minutes, yet.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on February 17, 2018, 07:13:42 PM
LaVerne beats Cal Tech 96-86 in OT.  LaVerne wins its first (and final) game on Senior Night!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: augie77 on February 17, 2018, 07:13:42 PM
LaVerne beats Cal Tech 96-86 in OT.  LaVerne wins its first (and final) game on Senior Night!

Well... that sucks.

Goucher had a chance. They really did. They led Juniata on Wednesday and then had the Eagles shooting in the double-bonus five minute into the second half. On Saturday, they had Scranton without two of their starters (one stayed home; second injured himself early on)... led at halftime, once again, and then couldn't hold on.

I was really hoping my soccer team would be the only 0-fer team in Goucher modern history ... oh well.

BTW - both programs. Only school to have both programs blanked for the season... in the entire NCAA this season.

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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on February 18, 2018, 05:42:36 AM
Good news is next year figures to be better.  Can't get any worse.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 18, 2018, 06:36:42 AM
Goucher is one of a couple D3 schools that I'm not 100% certain to pronounce, But I'm always assumed it rhymes with... ouch-er.....

Go get 'em next year....  and the good news (let's hope) is that Lacrosse starts today
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 18, 2018, 06:36:42 AM
Goucher is one of a couple D3 schools that I'm not 100% certain to pronounce, But I'm always assumed it rhymes with... ouch-er.....

Go get 'em next year....  and the good news (let's hope) is that Lacrosse starts today

Yep... ouch. G-ouch-er.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2018, 02:25:15 PM

I prefer the french pronounciation: goo-shay.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 02:26:10 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2018, 02:25:15 PM

I prefer the french pronounciation: goo-shay.

Then it must also be the goo-fairs :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 25, 2018, 04:59:52 AM
2/24/18     Whitman goes down to the Whitworth buzzer beater, 91-88, in the NWC Conference Championship game...No Undefeated for 2017-18
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2018, 11:38:48 AM

The outcome doesn't matter, but the inbounder probably moved too much on the inbound and I'm almost positive the clock started late.  I went back and checked, though, he did get the shot off in time (although it didn't look that way in real time).  Close one.  I'm guessing Whitman would rather not be undefeated at this point.  No need to add that pressure.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 25, 2018, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2018, 11:38:48 AM

The outcome doesn't matter, but the inbounder probably moved too much on the inbound and I'm almost positive the clock started late.  I went back and checked, though, he did get the shot off in time (although it didn't look that way in real time).  Close one.  I'm guessing Whitman would rather not be undefeated at this point.  No need to add that pressure.

I don't know, hoops... once you're in the tourney, throw the records out... the goal is to win 2 games in Salem... I would think the undefeated that would come along with it would be icing on the cake, rather than something that would drag you down....However, there is something to be said for a loss like that generating the knowledge that no one is unbeatable, and we have to be at our best to win 6....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2018, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2018, 11:38:48 AM

The outcome doesn't matter, but the inbounder probably moved too much on the inbound and I'm almost positive the clock started late.  I went back and checked, though, he did get the shot off in time (although it didn't look that way in real time).  Close one.  I'm guessing Whitman would rather not be undefeated at this point.  No need to add that pressure.

I watched that play as it happened. I knew there was two seconds left and when Roach hit that shot, my first thought was, "Wow, that was a long 2 seconds..." It was at Whitman, so it's not like it was a homer clock operator! I couldn't figure out how to replay it, so I couldn't watch it again.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: (509)Rat on February 26, 2018, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2018, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2018, 11:38:48 AM

The outcome doesn't matter, but the inbounder probably moved too much on the inbound and I'm almost positive the clock started late.  I went back and checked, though, he did get the shot off in time (although it didn't look that way in real time).  Close one.  I'm guessing Whitman would rather not be undefeated at this point.  No need to add that pressure.

I watched that play as it happened. I knew there was two seconds left and when Roach hit that shot, my first thought was, "Wow, that was a long 2 seconds..." It was at Whitman, so it's not like it was a homer clock operator! I couldn't figure out how to replay it, so I couldn't watch it again.

I still want to know who was right...Video feed never panned up to the game clock, announcers said 2.3 seconds, Whitman write up/recap said 2.8 seconds. I remember thinking the exact same thing about the "long 2 second," but that's because the video feed said 2 seconds without tenths of a second listed. Had it said 3, I don't think I would have questioned how much time it took Roach to get the shot off.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2018, 12:55:27 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2018, 11:38:48 AM

The outcome doesn't matter, but the inbounder probably moved too much on the inbound and I'm almost positive the clock started late.  I went back and checked, though, he did get the shot off in time (although it didn't look that way in real time).  Close one.  I'm guessing Whitman would rather not be undefeated at this point.  No need to add that pressure.

I watched it live and didn't notice anything wrong with the inbound; will watch the replay later; rule on a spot inbound is inbounder must have 1 leg over a 3-foot rectangle parallel to the boundary line ,so other leg can be outside the rectangle on either side.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2018, 10:41:53 AM
Last undefeated...

Whitman
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 09, 2018, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2018, 10:41:53 AM
Last undefeated...

Whitman

Wrong room Ralph, and behind schedule :'( :'(

See survival pool in the Pick ems area....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 09, 2018, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2018, 10:41:53 AM
Last undefeated...

Whitman

Wrong room Ralph, and behind schedule :'( :'(

See survival pool in the Pick ems area....
Thanks.  My day job keeps me busy.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2018, 09:30:36 PM
St Joseph climbs to the top of the all time win percentage chart with a 79-74 win over William Paterson. They're now a perfect 1-0 all time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2018, 12:21:27 AM
For the record... Goucher will never be mentioned in the winless category this season.

Thank you, my work here is done.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 10, 2018, 01:35:23 AM
Good on the Gophers!

Do the women have a shot at a win soon?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2018, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 10, 2018, 01:35:23 AM
Good on the Gophers!

Do the women have a shot at a win soon?

I haven't had a chance to see their team -though, do know who they no longer need on the team (inside joke). They start Tuesday ... knowing the coach, I don't expect last season to be the norm.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 28, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
Through games of 11/27

50 teams undefeated
37 teams winless

We'll start listing them after this coming weekend...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2018, 10:31:20 AM
through games of 11/28...WOW, a number of teams bite the dust last night

40 teams undefeated down from 50 !!!
32 teams winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2018, 07:41:58 AM
Through games of 11/29....numbers change slightly from yesterday

Undefeated 36
Winless  31
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2018, 10:29:07 AM
Through games of 11/30.... I'll start posting Teams next week

Undefeated  teams  33
Winless  teams  30
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2018, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2018, 10:29:07 AM
Through games of 11/30.... I'll start posting Teams next week

Undefeated  teams  33
Winless  teams  30

I imagine we lose a bunch today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2018, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2018, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2018, 10:29:07 AM
Through games of 11/30.... I'll start posting Teams next week

Undefeated  teams  33
Winless  teams  30

I imagine we lose a bunch today.

Yep. Lots of games....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 02, 2018, 08:34:31 AM
Numbers drop!!!  Through games of 12/1

27 teams undefeated
25 teams winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2018, 09:40:46 AM
Through Games of 12/1/18

UNDEFEATED   (27)                                           WINLESS      (25)
               
Nebraska Wesleyan  (8 - 0)  No. 1               Penn State-Berks ( 0 - 9)
Williams  (7 - 0)  No. 2                               Clarks Summit ( 0 - 8)
Hamilton  (7 - 0)  No. 3                                Curry ( 0 - 7)
Illinois Wesleyan  (7 - 0)  No. 10                       Centenary (N.J.) ( 0 - 7)
Plattsburgh State  (6 - 0)  No. 13               Clarkson ( 0 - 7)
UW-Whitewater  (5 - 0)  No. 15                       NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 7)
Wooster  (6 - 0)  No. 16                             Kenyon ( 0 - 7)
Randolph-Macon  (9 - 0)  No. 17                      Penn College ( 0 - 7)
Rochester  (6 - 0)  No. 20                              Elms ( 0 - 7)
Marietta  (7 - 0)  No. 21                                Rutgers-Camden ( 0 - 7)
Christopher Newport  (6 - 0)  No. 22               Trinity (Texas) ( 0 - 7)
North Central (Ill.)  (5 - 0)  No. 27  ORV               Finlandia ( 0 - 6)
Amherst  (5 - 0)  No. 30  ORV                         Keystone ( 0 - 6)
Nichols  (6 - 0)  No. 37  ORV                       Willamette ( 0 - 6)
Salisbury  (7 - 0)  No. 39  ORV                        Averett ( 0 - 6)
Scranton  (6 - 0)  No. 41  ORV                       CCNY ( 0 - 5)
WPI  (6 - 0)  No. 44  ORV                                Houghton ( 0 - 5)
Millsaps  (8 - 0)                                                  Defiance (0 - 5)
MSOE  (6 - 0)                                                Alma ( 0 - 5)
Lynchburg  (6 - 0)                                            Rockford ( 0 - 5)
Centre  (6 - 0)                                                 Lesley ( 0 - 5)
Oswego State  (6 - 0)                                         Lewis and Clark ( 0 - 5)
DePauw  (5 - 0)                                                  Heidelberg ( 0 - 4)
Wabash  (5 - 0)                                                 Fredonia ( 0 - 4)
Coast Guard  (5 - 0)                                          Merchant Marine ( 0 - 3)
Johnson and Wales (Colo.)  (5 - 0)               
Occidental  (5 - 0)               
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 03, 2018, 10:10:08 AM
Was curious to see how Scranton had managed to get off to a hot start and the roster provides the answer -- will that team EVER run out of Danzigs??  Every four years, another one seems to appear. 

Also happy to see that Scranton is lead by Matthew Mancuso, a Bridgewater-Raritan (NJ) alum (my alma mater).  BRHS has had a crazy-good recent run of D3 hoops stars for a public high school -- before Mancuso, Eric Murdock, Jr., Vinny Pace, Andrew August, and James McNally, just an incredible number of big-time D3 stars from one high school over the past decade.  I have to think they'd do well against any other lineup of recent D3 players from a single school, and certainly a single public school ...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2018, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 03, 2018, 10:10:08 AM
Was curious to see how Scranton had managed to get off to a hot start and the roster provides the answer -- will that team EVER run out of Danzigs??  Every four years, another one seems to appear. 

Also happy to see that Scranton is lead by Matthew Mancuso, a Bridgewater-Raritan (NJ) alum (my alma mater).  BRHS has had a crazy-good recent run of D3 hoops stars for a public high school -- before Mancuso, Eric Murdock, Jr., Vinny Pace, Andrew August, and James McNally, just an incredible number of big-time D3 stars from one high school over the past decade.  I have to think they'd do well against any other lineup of recent D3 players from a single school, and certainly a single public school ...

Ha. This is the last one, unfortunately. May turn out to be the best of the bunch, but time will tell. Mancuso has started off strong this season, after being overshadowed and a few hiccups. I am aware of Vinny Pace, but where did the rest of them play?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 03, 2018, 02:09:52 PM
Murdock (son of an NBA BRHS alum) - TCNJ
McNally - F&M
August - Montclair

All all-region guys, or better. 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2018, 07:26:14 PM
Scranton was in the running to recruit Pace. Mancuso will also be in the running for all-region or better, this season. The only one that has slowed him so far is Matt, himself.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2018, 08:57:35 AM
Through 12/3/18.... with new rankings

Fell off undefeateds since prior listing:
    Christopher Newport lost to: Lynchburg
     Johnson and Wales lost to: Santa Cruz

Fell off winless since last posting:
     Centenary NJ beat SUNY-Delhi

UNDEFEATED (25)               WINLESS  (24)
               
Nebraska Wesleyan  (8 - 0)  No. 1               Penn State-Berks ( 0 - 9)
Williams  (7 - 0)  No. 2               Clarks Summit ( 0 - 8)
Hamilton  (7 - 0)  No. 4               Curry ( 0 - 7)
Illinois Wesleyan  (7 - 0)  No. 8               Clarkson ( 0 - 7)
Plattsburgh State  (6 - 0)  No. 10               NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 7)
Marietta  (7 - 0)  No. 12               Kenyon ( 0 - 7)
UW-Whitewater  (5 - 0)  No. 12               Penn College ( 0 - 7)
Wooster  (6 - 0)  No. 15               Elms ( 0 - 7)
Randolph-Macon  (9 - 0)  No. 16               Rutgers-Camden ( 0 - 7)
Rochester  (6 - 0)  No. 17               Trinity (Texas) ( 0 - 7)
Amherst  (5 - 0)  No. 19               Finlandia ( 0 - 6)
North Central (Ill.)  (5 - 0)  No. 20                 Keystone ( 0 - 6)
Lynchburg  (7 - 0)  No. 22                 Houghton ( 0 - 6)
Nichols  (6 - 0)  No. 25                 Willamette ( 0 - 6)
Salisbury  (7 - 0)  No. 26  ORV               Averett ( 0 - 6)
Scranton  (6 - 0)  No. 34  ORV               CCNY ( 0 - 5)
Oswego State  (6 - 0)  No. 35  ORV               Defiance ( 0 - 5)
WPI  (6 - 0)  No. 36  ORV               Alma ( 0 - 5)
Centre  (6 - 0)  No. 40  ORV               Rockford ( 0 - 5)
Millsaps  (8 - 0)                               Lesley ( 0 - 5)
MSOE  (6 - 0)                               Lewis and Clark ( 0 - 5)
Coast Guard  (6 - 0)                       Heidelberg ( 0 - 4)
DePauw  (5 - 0)                                  Merchant Marine ( 0 - 4)
Wabash  (5 - 0)                                     Fredonia ( 0 - 4)
Occidental  (5 - 0)               
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2018, 10:27:46 AM
Nobody falls off the lists on 12/4/18
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: fantastic50 on December 06, 2018, 08:57:58 AM
Two of these teams will collide on Saturday, as Wabash (6-0) hosts #15 Wooster (7-0).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on December 06, 2018, 10:17:56 AM
Rockford gets off the winless list with 4 OT win over Marian in the Big Fond du.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2018, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on December 06, 2018, 10:17:56 AM
Rockford gets off the winless list with 4 OT win over Marian in the Big Fond du.

Don't ya just love D3!!!!  That must have been one heck of a game!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2018, 10:53:11 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on December 06, 2018, 10:17:56 AM
Rockford gets off the winless list with 4 OT win over Marian in the Big Fond du.

LOL +1. Or the FDL works.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2018, 01:03:00 PM
So changes to our list last night....12/5/18

Off the Undefeated list:  No Change

Off the winless list:
Penn St Berks... beats winless Penn College
Rockford, as mentioned before, wins in 4 OT over Marian....

Current count:
Undefeated Teams : 25
Winless teams : 22


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2018, 02:52:30 PM
 Looks like Scranton is the only one with both men and women undefeated at this point.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Schwami on December 06, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
You can remove DePauw from the undefeated list, with their loss last night to Wittenberg.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2018, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: Schwami on December 06, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
You can remove DePauw from the undefeated list, with their loss last night to Wittenberg.

Ugh. Forgot to update my list !!

In reality, 4 teams fell off the undefeated list yesterday!!

DePauw loses to Wooster
Illinois Wesleyan falls to Wheaton's buzzer beater
Lynchburg beaten by Guilford
MSOE crushed by Wisconsin Lutheran

This brings the number of undefeated down to 21




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2018, 08:14:42 AM
Amherst loses to Babson on 12/6.

Undefeated down to 20.
Winless remains at 22.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2018, 08:56:20 AM
Plattsburgh loses to Brockport

Undefeateds down to 19

Willamette beats Portland Bible
CCNY beats John Jay

Winless down to 20

Here is what our lists look like after games of 12/7/18.... lots of games to be played today, Saturday 12/8

UNDEFEATED                                                WINLESS
               
Nebraska Wesleyan  (8 - 0)  No. 1               Curry ( 0 - 9)
Williams  (8 - 0)  No. 2                               Clarks Summit ( 0 - 8)
Hamilton  (8 - 0)  No. 4                                Clarkson ( 0 - 8)
Marietta  (7 - 0)  No. 12                               NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 8)
UW-Whitewater  (6 - 0)  No. 12                        Kenyon ( 0 - 8)
Wooster  (7 - 0)  No. 15                                Penn College ( 0 - 8)
Randolph-Macon  (10 - 0)  No. 16                   Elms ( 0 - 8)
Rochester  (8 - 0)  No. 17                               Rutgers-Camden ( 0 - 8)
North Central (Ill.)  (6 - 0)  No. 20               Finlandia ( 0 - 7)
Nichols  (7 - 0)  No. 25                                Keystone ( 0 - 7)
Salisbury  (8 - 0)  No. 26                                 Lesley ( 0 - 7)
Scranton  (7 - 0)  No. 34  ORV                        Trinity (Texas) ( 0 - 7)
Oswego State  (7 - 0)  No. 35  ORV               Averett ( 0 - 7)
WPI  (7 - 0)  No. 36  ORV                                 Houghton ( 0 - 6)
Centre  (6 - 0)  No. 40  ORV                         Defiance ( 0 - 6)
Millsaps  (8 - 0)                                                  Alma ( 0 - 6)
Coast Guard  (7 - 0)                                        Fredonia ( 0 - 6)
Wabash  (6 - 0)                                                Lewis and Clark ( 0 - 5)
Occidental  (6 - 0)                                         Merchant Marine ( 0 - 5)
                                                                        Heidelberg ( 0 - 4)



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2018, 05:57:04 PM
As expected, significant dropout rate from our lists on a heavily scheduled Saturday, 12/8..

Undefeated goes from 19 to 15
Wooster loses to Wabash
Randolph-Macon loses to Christopher Newport
North Central (Ill) loses to North Park
Coast Guard loses to Mitchell

Winless goes from 20 to 16
Penn College beat Clarks Summit
Rutgers-Camden beat Kean
Lewis and Clark beat Southwestern
Heidelberg beat Otterbein



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2018, 06:57:08 AM

Is it time for the vs d3 lists to appear?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2018, 07:09:49 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2018, 06:57:08 AM

Is it time for the vs d3 lists to appear?

A little later this morning. Need WiFi.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2018, 08:26:28 AM
More Changes on Tuesday, 12/11

Undefeated goes from 15 to 14
Rochester defeated by Ithaca

Winless goes from 16 to 13
Merchant Marine beat CCNY
Averett beat Pfeiffer
Leslie beat Anna Maria


Here's what our up to date list looks like:

UNDEFEATED                               WINLESS
               
Nebraska Wesleyan  (9 - 0)  No. 1         Curry ( 0 - 10)
Williams  (9 - 0)  No. 2               NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 10)
Hamilton  (9 - 0)  No. 4               Clarks Summit ( 0 - 9)
Marietta  (8 - 0)  No. 10               Clarkson ( 0 - 9)
UW-Whitewater  (7 - 0)  No. 11            Kenyon ( 0 - 9)
Nichols  (9 - 0)  No. 18               Elms ( 0 - 9)
Wabash  (7 - 0)  No. 22               Finlandia ( 0 - 7)
Salisbury  (9 - 0)  No. 23               Keystone ( 0 - 7)
Scranton  (7 - 0)  No. 26               Houghton ( 0 - 7)
Oswego State  (8 - 0)  No. 31            Defiance ( 0 - 7)
WPI  (8 - 0)  No. 33                       Alma ( 0 - 7)
Millsaps  (8 - 0)                              Trinity (Texas) ( 0 - 7)
Occidental  (7 - 0)                      Fredonia ( 0 - 7)
Centre (6-0)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2018, 06:27:54 AM
 No changes through 12/14/18.

With many games on 12/15, still no changes.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2018, 08:01:26 AM
Defiance (now 0-8) nearly got off the winless list, as they jumped out to a 31-15 lead over Hanover in the first half, fell behind by as much as 12 in the second half, fought back to take a 70-69 lead with 1:20 left ... but lost by a final score of 72-77.

Play-by-play (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/boxscores/20181215_avgd.xml?view=plays)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2018, 08:47:00 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 12, 2018, 08:26:28 AM



Here's what our up to date list looks like:

UNDEFEATED                               WINLESS
               
Nebraska Wesleyan  (9 - 0)  No. 1         Curry ( 0 - 10)
Williams  (9 - 0)  No. 2               NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 10)
Hamilton  (9 - 0)  No. 4               Clarks Summit ( 0 - 9)
Marietta  (8 - 0)  No. 10               Clarkson ( 0 - 9)
UW-Whitewater  (7 - 0)  No. 11            Kenyon ( 0 - 9)
Nichols  (9 - 0)  No. 18               Elms ( 0 - 9)
Wabash  (7 - 0)  No. 22               Finlandia ( 0 - 7)
Salisbury  (9 - 0)  No. 23               Keystone ( 0 - 7)
Scranton  (7 - 0)  No. 26               Houghton ( 0 - 7)
Oswego State  (8 - 0)  No. 31            Defiance ( 0 - 7)
WPI  (8 - 0)  No. 33                       Alma ( 0 - 7)
Millsaps  (8 - 0)                              Trinity (Texas) ( 0 - 7)
Occidental  (7 - 0)                      Fredonia ( 0 - 7)
Centre (6-0)

Most unlikely program to be 0-7... but Trinity has played no slouches.

I expect them to right the ship.  They may even contend for the AQ by the end of the season.

Conference play begins this week.

https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Trinity_(Texas)/men/2018-19/index
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2018, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2018, 08:47:00 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 12, 2018, 08:26:28 AM



Here's what our up to date list looks like:

UNDEFEATED                               WINLESS
               
Nebraska Wesleyan  (9 - 0)  No. 1         Curry ( 0 - 10)
Williams  (9 - 0)  No. 2               NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 10)
Hamilton  (9 - 0)  No. 4               Clarks Summit ( 0 - 9)
Marietta  (8 - 0)  No. 10               Clarkson ( 0 - 9)
UW-Whitewater  (7 - 0)  No. 11            Kenyon ( 0 - 9)
Nichols  (9 - 0)  No. 18               Elms ( 0 - 9)
Wabash  (7 - 0)  No. 22               Finlandia ( 0 - 7)
Salisbury  (9 - 0)  No. 23               Keystone ( 0 - 7)
Scranton  (7 - 0)  No. 26               Houghton ( 0 - 7)
Oswego State  (8 - 0)  No. 31            Defiance ( 0 - 7)
WPI  (8 - 0)  No. 33                       Alma ( 0 - 7)
Millsaps  (8 - 0)                              Trinity (Texas) ( 0 - 7)
Occidental  (7 - 0)                      Fredonia ( 0 - 7)
Centre (6-0)

Most unlikely program to be 0-7... but Trinity has played no slouches.

I expect them to right the ship.  They may even contend for the AQ by the end of the season.

Conference play begins this week.

https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Trinity_(Texas)/men/2018-19/index

Indeed, Trinity was preseason No 1 pick by the SCAC coaches.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2018, 06:18:07 AM
Due to an input error of a previous score, Piemont joins the ranks of the winless!!!

Through games of 12/16, 14 undefeated, 14 winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2018, 06:42:29 AM
12/17 games, we lose one from each group

Centre falls out of undefeated, losing to Augustana

Defiance falls out of Winless, defeating Spalding.

Now 13 teams in each group.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2018, 05:52:37 AM
Another casualty in each group on 12/18

Millsaps falls from the undefeated, losing to Belhaven

As Ralph predicted, Trinity starts to win when they hit their conference schedule, beating Austin

Now 12 teams in each group
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
No changes on 12/19

Here's what our lists look like:

UNDEFEATED                                         WINLESS   
                  
Nebraska Wesleyan  (11 - 0)  No. 1         NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 12)   
Williams  (9 - 0)  No. 2                       Clarks Summit ( 0 - 11)   
Hamilton  (9 - 0)  No. 5                        Kenyon ( 0 - 11)   
Marietta  (10 - 0)  No. 8                        Curry ( 0 - 10)   
UW-Whitewater  (8 - 0)  No. 10            Keystone ( 0 - 10)   
Nichols  (9 - 0)  No. 16                         Finlandia ( 0 - 9)   
Wabash  (8 - 0)  No. 21                         Clarkson ( 0 - 9)   
Salisbury  (9 - 0)  No. 22                         Alma ( 0 - 9)   
Scranton  (8 - 0)  No. 25                          Elms ( 0 - 9)   
WPI  (9 - 0)  No. 29 ORV                         Piedmont ( 0 - 9)   
Oswego State  (9 - 0)  No. 30 ORV         Houghton ( 0 - 7)   
Occidental  (10 - 0)                                 Fredonia ( 0 - 7)   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 20, 2018, 10:51:19 AM
Got to thinking about SOS for these teams, so I threw together a quick table including Massey SOS rankings.



Team     Wins   Losses   D3hoops Rank      Massey SOS
Nebraska Wesleyan     11   0       31
Williams     9   0       190
Hamilton     9   0       282
Marietta     10   0       37
UW-Whitewater     8   0   10      113
Nichols     9   0   16      316
Wabash     8   0   21      73
Salisbury     9   0   22      120
Scranton     8   0   25      204
WPI     9   0   29 ORV      254
Oswego State     9   0   30 ORV      313
Occidental     10   0         408
NVU-Johnson     0   12         412
Clarks Summit     0   11         397
Kenyon     0   11         155
Curry     0   10         358
Keystone     0   10         324
Finlandia     0   9         332
Clarkson     0   9         91
Alma     0   9         1
Elms     0   9         268
Piedmont     0   9         58
Houghton     0   7         346
Fredonia     0   7         202

And again, this time sorted by SOS



Team     Wins   Losses   D3hoops Rank      Massey SOS
Alma     0   9         1
Nebraska Wesleyan     11   0       31
Marietta     10   0       37
Piedmont     0   9         58
Wabash     8   0   21      73
Clarkson     0   9         91
UW-Whitewater     8   0   10      113
Salisbury     9   0   22      120
Kenyon     0   11         155
Williams     9   0       190
Fredonia     0   7         202
Scranton     8   0   25      204
WPI     9   0   29 ORV      254
Elms     0   9         268
Hamilton     9   0       282
Oswego State     9   0   30 ORV      313
Nichols     9   0   16      316
Keystone     0   10         324
Finlandia     0   9         332
Houghton     0   7         346
Curry     0   10         358
Clarks Summit     0   11         397
Occidental     10   0         408
NVU-Johnson     0   12         412
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 21, 2018, 12:13:05 PM
Interesting, Dutch Fan.  I just checked Alma's schedule and holy cow that is a murderer's row.  Eight out of nine games against teams who have been ranked or very close to ranked, including two top-5 teams, and three teams each from WIAC and CCIW.  And only 2/9 of those games were at home.  That is some insane scheduling.  Considering that Alma, which was projected to be a middle-of-the-pack team in a strong league, was competitive in a number of those games (including one OT loss and another five point loss), is it safe to say they are the best 0-9 team in D3 history???
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Thanks Dutch Fan,

Question for the board is why is Hamilton ranked where they are with their SOS? They seem to be an outlyer
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 21, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Thanks Dutch Fan,

Question for the board is why is Hamilton ranked where they are with their SOS? They seem to be an outlyer

They started at number 9, haven't lost while those around them have once or twice.    Had the best overall record of the NESCAC from a year ago, sweet 16 loss in overtime to Springfield.  Graduated one Sr. starter and a couple bench guys but returned top 6 scorers.

Their massey schedule strength will go up as they accumulate NESCAC opponents.  Finished #110 SOS by massey last year.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
Quote from: sac on December 21, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Thanks Dutch Fan,

Question for the board is why is Hamilton ranked where they are with their SOS? They seem to be an outlyer

   Had the best overall record of the NESCAC from a year ago, sweet 16 loss in overtime to Springfield.  Graduated one Sr. starter and a couple bench guys but returned top 6 scorers.

Makes sense, thanks.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2018, 07:21:53 AM
A shame to happen on the last game day before Christmas, but on 12/22 we drop one off the undefeated list:

Salisbury loses to Rowan

11 now on the undefeated list, 12 remain winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2018, 11:17:17 AM
Our groups through Christmas:

UNDEFEATED 11                                                         WINLESS 12

Nebraska Wesleyan  (11 - 0)  No. 1               NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 12)   
Williams  (9 - 0)  No. 2                                Clarks Summit ( 0 - 11)   
Hamilton  (9 - 0)  No. 5                                Kenyon ( 0 - 11)   
Marietta  (10 - 0)  No. 8                                Finlandia ( 0 - 10)   
UW-Whitewater  (9 - 0)  No. 10                        Curry ( 0 - 10)   
Nichols  (9 - 0)  No. 16                                Keystone ( 0 - 10)   
Wabash  (9 - 0)  No. 21                                Clarkson ( 0 - 9)   
Scranton  (9 - 0)  No. 25                                Alma ( 0 - 9)   
WPI  (9 - 0)  No. 29 ORV                                Elms ( 0 - 9)   
Oswego State  (9 - 0)  No. 30 ORV               Piedmont ( 0 - 9)   
Occidental  (10 - 0)                                         Houghton ( 0 - 7)   
                                                                Fredonia ( 0 - 7)   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2018, 07:29:47 AM
2 fall off undefeated list on 12/28

Marietta loses to Elmhurst
Wabash falls to Wilmington

Undefeated down to 9, Winless stay at 12
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2018, 01:01:40 PM
YIKES... tough weekend... two more fall off Undefeated list

Oswego State loses to Emory
WPI loses to Maryville (Tn.)

7 left on undefeated list

3 fall off Winless list

Curry beats Clark
Alma wins over St. Scholastica
Houghton defeats Washington and Jefferson

9 left on Winless list
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2018, 07:43:27 PM

Nichols lost to Salisbury today.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 30, 2018, 09:14:39 PM
Clarkson beats SUNY Canton to get off the bad list, making Fredonia the New York State Champion of Losing
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2018, 04:49:25 AM
With Nichols loss, Clarkson win...

Undefeated down to 6, Winless at 8
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Rofrog on January 01, 2019, 10:04:48 PM
Scranton only team in d3 to have  both men and women undefeated?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: saratoga on January 02, 2019, 12:07:04 AM

Back on Dec. 19th. I discussed this with Ronk in the "Top 25" topic section.

I am fairly certain Scranton is the only school with both basketball teams still undefeated.

At the very least, they are the only school with both undefeated & in the Top 25.

However, the consensus seems to be when guessing which team loses first, the men get that honor on Jan. 9th. when they visit Moravian.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2019, 12:27:06 AM
Scranton is the last in all of NCAA, NAIA, NCCAA or USCAA


Finlandia and Summit are the last two D3's without a win for either of their teams.  Coppin State in D1 and D2 Cal State Monterey Bay are also winless.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2019, 05:38:39 AM
Our Groups through 1/1/19

UNDEFEATED (6)                                    WINLESS (8)                             
Nebraska Wesleyan  (11 - 0)  No. 1       Keystone ( 0 - 12)
Williams  (11 - 0)  No. 2                      NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 12)
Hamilton  (11 - 0)  No. 5                     Clarks Summit ( 0 - 11)
UW-Whitewater  (11 - 0)  No. 10          Kenyon ( 0 - 11)   
Scranton  (11 - 0)  No. 25                   Finlandia ( 0 - 10)
Occidental  (11 - 0)  ORV                    Piedmont ( 0 - 10)
                                                        Elms ( 0 - 9)
                                                        Fredonia ( 0 - 9)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2019, 07:27:04 AM
UW-Whitewater falls at UW-Stevens Point on 1/2/18

Undefeateds down to 5!!!                 Winless stay at 8

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2019, 04:36:00 PM

Hamilton had a scare from Keene today, but they pulled it out in the end with typical discipline and solid FT shooting.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 03, 2019, 05:52:22 PM
Best chance for a loss by the undefeated teams (chance of a win per Massey):

Nebraska Wesleyan - 1/26 @ Loras (69%)
Williams - 1/16 @ Amherst (65%)
Hamilton - 2/9 @ Williams (31%) - also 1/11 @ Wesleyan (56%) and 2/8 @ Middlebury (53%)
Scranton - 1/9 @Moravian (50%) - also 2/13 @ Drew (57%)
Occidental - 1/14 @ Pomona Pitzer (22%) - also 2/13 @ CMS (38%) and 2/16 vs. Pomona Pitzer (45%)

Best Chance for a win by the winless teams (again chance of a win per Massey):

Keystone - 1/16 @ Clarks Summit (79%) - also 2/2 vs. Bryn Athyn (62%), 2/9 vs. Clarks Summit (92%)
NVU Johnson - 1/19 vs NVU Lyndon (34%)
Clarks Summit - 1/16 vs. Keystone (21%), 1/21 vs. Medgar Evers (21%), 1/24 vs. Bryn Athyn (21%)
Kenyon - 1/3 @ Waynesburg (35%), 1/5 vs. Allegheny (24%)
Finlandia - 1/6 vs. Silver Lake (27%)
Piedmont - 1/29 vs. Toccoa Falls (95%), also 1/26 vs. Berea (56%), 2/5 vs. Brevard (68%), 2/8 vs. Greensboro (54%)
Elms - 1/8 vs Lesley (61%)
Fredonia - 1/15 vs. Pitt-Bradford (66%)




Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2019, 05:56:08 AM
Smed/Massey's first prediction is spot on...

1/3/19 Kenyon falls off the winless list, beating Waynesburg
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 05, 2019, 12:57:02 AM
I think the toughest nuts to crack will be Clark's Summit, and Finlandia winning a D-3 game.

Meanwhile-Oxy's got a hell of a gauntlet...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2019, 03:41:36 AM
Quote from: smedindy on January 05, 2019, 12:57:02 AM
I think the toughest nuts to crack will be Clark's Summit, and Finlandia winning a D-3 game.

Meanwhile-Oxy's got a hell of a gauntlet...

Finlandia plays Silver Lake on Sunday... a 4 year school...  so the game would count for purposes of this list...
I could bring back the winless vs D3 only category, which I've ignored this season..  right now, the only school remaining in that category is Valley Forge.  There are no undefeated against D3 only schools.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2019, 11:38:58 PM
1/5/18 results
Scranton falls to Elizabethtown, our Undefeateds fall to 4

Winless remains at 7
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2019, 10:21:05 AM
No changes on 1/6/19

Hamilton squeaks by with a 2 point win to stay undefeated     4 undefeateds

Finlandia stays winless losing to Silver Lake...     7 winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 07, 2019, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 07, 2019, 10:21:05 AM
No changes on 1/6/19

Hamilton squeaks by with a 2 point win to stay undefeated     4 undefeateds

Finlandia stays winless losing to Silver Lake...     7 winless

Uh-oh...Finlandia
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2019, 04:23:49 AM
1/8/19

TWO fall off Winless list
Elms defeats Lesley
Fredonia needs 2 OTS, wins over Geneseo State

Winless now down to 5, Undefeated stays at 4

How they look through 1/8/19

         Undefeated                                                        Winless

Nebraska Wesleyan  (11 - 0)  No. 1               Keystone ( 0 - 14)      
Williams  (11 - 0)  No. 3                            Clarks Summit ( 0 - 13)      
Hamilton  (11 - 0)  No. 6                             Piedmont ( 0 - 13)      
Occidental  (11 - 0)  ORV 30                     NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 12)      
                                                                Finlandia ( 0 - 11)      
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: TheOsprey on January 09, 2019, 11:40:45 PM
Oxy falls to C-M-S 63-60!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2019, 06:19:18 AM
Hamilton goes down to Wesleyan..... 2 Undefeateds left...

and a huge surprise.... Piedmont beats William Peace by 21 at William Peace... Piedmont falls off the winless list..... 4 winless remain
William Peace came into this game with a 7-6 record, all 7 wins against respectable D3 teams... wonder what happened????
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:31:11 AM

NWU-Williams; could we have an undefeateds national title game?

Probably not, but at least they're geographically lined up to do it.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2019, 08:08:13 AM
And another drops from Winless!!!

Keystone beats  Rosemont.....another pretty big surprise!!!   Rosemont had beaten some people..

Never underestimate the desire to get off the Winless list!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2019, 08:44:14 PM

Down goes Williams.  Bobby Casey missed a tough fall-away at the buzzer.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2019, 04:36:18 AM
Where we stand through 1/17/19

         UNDEFEATED
Nebraska Wesleyan  (16 - 0)  No. 1         

          WINLESS
Clarks Summit ( 0 - 16)
NVU-Johnson ( 0 - 15)
Finlandia ( 0 - 13)

Winless vs D3 only, with wins against a non-D3 opponent
Valley Forge

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2019, 06:28:24 AM
HUGE WIN!!!   1/19/19

NVU Johnson beats rival NVU Lyndon 78-76.... Johnson falls off the winless list!!!!

Hey... this is the true beauty of D3... 2 schools, Northern Vermont, 1 comes in with 2 wins, the other with none... giving it their all...

NVU Johnson wins on a shot at the buzzer!!!!

Heartfelt congrats to both teams...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 28, 2019, 11:21:05 AM
Well, no undefeateds left.

Now we need to see Clarks Summit, Finlandia, and Valley Forge pick up wins.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 28, 2019, 11:55:17 PM
Clarks Summit is looking at going 2-73 the last 3 years if they fail to pick up a win.  Overall just 7 wins in the past 4 seasons plus this one, possible 7-118 stretch.


Curry has managed to stay off the winless list but they're looking at a third straight season of 1-24 following an 0-25 year, which would make them 3-97 over the last 4 seasons.


Finlandia has just two games remaining to avoid an 0-19 reg. season.  They got trounced by 24 against Gogebic Community College, their single best opportunity for a win.  Both St. Scholastica and Silver Lake, their remaining two opponents, have already beaten the Lions in Hancock.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2019, 09:37:50 AM
Just to close out the 2018-19 season...

No one finishes undefeated

Clark's Summitt and Finlandia finish winless
Valley Forge finishes winless vs D3
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 22, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
So Potsdam and Wisconsin-Platteville [2x] still the only undefeated D-III national champs.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2019, 02:14:06 PM
Bear, did Pony Bullock, Brendan Mitchell, Barry Stanton and the boys used to do the old '72 Dolphins routine and uncork the champagne every year whenever the last undefeated team in D3 went down until Bo Ryan's 1994-95 UW-Platteville team finally ran the table?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 24, 2019, 10:26:33 PM
I'm sure they followed it, but remember the next year, the core of that team [Bullock graduated] won 28 in a row was ranked #1 in the country and got sent on the road for the Elite 8 to Clark where they lost on a late 3 point shot, ending their string at 60 straight.

The way they seed now, an undefeated #1 with a decent facility [Jerry Welsh Gym seats about 3,000] would host [barring a woman's team conflict] all the way through until the final four. 

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 25, 2019, 10:07:06 PM
and the 1981 Potsdam Bears won the national title on their opponents [Augustana] home court in OT.

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 10:43:14 PM
... a fact of which I've had recourse to remind an Augustana fan once or twice. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 26, 2019, 07:59:48 PM
+K
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on February 26, 2019, 08:03:53 PM
Quote from: thebear on February 25, 2019, 10:07:06 PM
and the 1981 Potsdam Bears won the national title on their opponents [Augustana] home court in OT.


Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 10:43:14 PM
... a fact of which I've had recourse to remind an Augustana fan once or twice. ;)

No need to remind this Augustana fan.  LeRoy Witherspoon's 45 foot buzzer beater to force overtime still haunts me.  I was there!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 26, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
I just looked at the video again, I would say 35 feet... two steps outside the 28 foot hash mark.

Only counted for two back then.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2019, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: thebear on February 26, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
I just looked at the video again, I would say 35 feet... two steps outside the 28 foot hash mark.

Only counted for two back then.

What link provides the video? Augustana archives?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2019, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: augie77 on February 26, 2019, 08:03:53 PM
Quote from: thebear on February 25, 2019, 10:07:06 PM
and the 1981 Potsdam Bears won the national title on their opponents [Augustana] home court in OT.


Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 10:43:14 PM
... a fact of which I've had recourse to remind an Augustana fan once or twice. ;)

No need to remind this Augustana fan.  LeRoy Witherspoon's 45 foot buzzer beater to force overtime still haunts me.  I was there!

I wouldn't do it to you, Steve. But there are other Augustana fans who are, shall we say, less inclined to politesse than you -- especially when it comes to deriding North Park about something or another. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 27, 2019, 08:03:10 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 26, 2019, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: thebear on February 26, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
I just looked at the video again, I would say 35 feet... two steps outside the 28 foot hash mark.

Only counted for two back then.

What link provides the video? Augustana archives?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpn2W4mU4-U

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on February 27, 2019, 09:22:06 AM
Bear, you're forcing me to relive the nightmare!   :'(  This was the first time I've seen this since that fateful day in 1981.  I was hoping for a different outcome on the replay, but it's not to be.  Upon review, I agree with the 35 feet estimate.


+k (with tears)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 27, 2019, 09:31:27 AM
+k

I'm pretty sure that's the only time that the D-III national finals were played on one of the teams home court. Wild crowd...Classic game, neither team gave up until the final buzzer.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on October 05, 2019, 05:41:28 AM
Just bringing this forward so hopefan won't have to spend much time looking for it.  ;D

I also enjoyed watching my alma mater take down Augustana again in what was one of the greatest games ever.  8-)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
I know you are all wondering... after two weekends there are 93 undefeated teams, and 104 winless teams... 6 teams appear on both lists because they haven't played yet!!!!    I think I'll wait a while longer before we start listing them!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
I know you are all wondering... after two weekends there are 93 undefeated teams, and 104 winless teams... 6 teams appear on both lists because they haven't played yet!!!!    I think I'll wait a while longer before we start listing them!!

I think you should list them all.  :P ::) ;D :)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 19, 2019, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
I know you are all wondering... after two weekends there are 93 undefeated teams, and 104 winless teams... 6 teams appear on both lists because they haven't played yet!!!!    I think I'll wait a while longer before we start listing them!!

I think you should list them all.  :P ::) ;D :)

Alphabetically by geographical location  :P ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2019, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 19, 2019, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
I know you are all wondering... after two weekends there are 93 undefeated teams, and 104 winless teams... 6 teams appear on both lists because they haven't played yet!!!!    I think I'll wait a while longer before we start listing them!!

I think you should list them all.  :P ::) ;D :)

Alphabetically by geographical location  :P ;D ;D ;D

I prefer numerically by zip code.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2019, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 19, 2019, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
I know you are all wondering... after two weekends there are 93 undefeated teams, and 104 winless teams... 6 teams appear on both lists because they haven't played yet!!!!    I think I'll wait a while longer before we start listing them!!

I think you should list them all.  :P ::) ;D :)

Alphabetically by geographical location  :P ;D ;D ;D

I prefer numerically by zip code.

No, the best way is to list them by founding date.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2019, 06:50:30 AM
I believe there are now just 2 teams left in contention for both titles
Bates falls from that list tonight
Chapman is the last team standing until Friday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2019, 08:23:01 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2019, 06:50:30 AM
I believe there are now just 2 teams left in contention for both titles
Bates falls from that list tonight
Chapman is the last team standing until Friday.

After a busy Tuesday:
78 undefeateds led by Hood and Springfield at 5-0
85 winless led by Lesley at 0-6

and yes... Bates and Chapman still in contention for either!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: monsoon on November 20, 2019, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2019, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 19, 2019, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
I know you are all wondering... after two weekends there are 93 undefeated teams, and 104 winless teams... 6 teams appear on both lists because they haven't played yet!!!!    I think I'll wait a while longer before we start listing them!!

I think you should list them all.  :P ::) ;D :)

Alphabetically by geographical location  :P ;D ;D ;D

I prefer numerically by zip code.

No, the best way is to list them by founding date.

Founding date would be in line with protocol for academic processions.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2019, 11:59:15 AM
Through games of 11/25... thanks to Greg Sager for teaching me how to use table formatting to make the data line up correctly...

                           UNDEFEATED                                                  WINLESS


ATL  Gwynedd Mercy  AEC  4-0      ATL  Immaculata  AEC  0-3 
ATL  Stevens  MACF  4-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-4 
CEN  Carthage  CCIW  5-0      ATL  Clarks Summit  CSAC  0-7 
CEN  Elmhurst  CCIW  3-0      ATL  Brooklyn  CUNYAC  0-3 
CEN  Lawrence  MWC  2-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-4 
CEN  Monmouth  MWC  4-0      ATL  Hunter  CUNYAC  0-4 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  4-0      ATL  Merchant Marine  SKY  0-4 
CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  4-0      ATL  St. Joseph's (L.I.)  SKY  0-4 
CEN  UW-Stevens Point  WIAC  2-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-8 
EAST  Union  LL  2-0      CEN  Edgewood  NACC  0-2 
EAST  Oswego State  SUNYAC  3-0      CEN  Illinois Tech  NACC  0-3 
EAST  Rochester  UAA  5-0      CEN  Marian  NACC  0-5 
GL  Penn State-Altoona  AMCC  2-0      CEN  Blackburn  SLIAC  0-3 
GL  Defiance  HCAC  5-0      CEN  Spalding  SLIAC  0-4 
GL  Hanover  HCAC  4-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-4 
GL  Hope  MIAA  3-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-4 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  2-0      EAST  St. Lawrence  LL  0-2 
GL  Wooster  NCAC  3-0      EAST  Cazenovia  NEAC  0-4 
GL  John Carroll  OAC  3-0      EAST  Gallaudet  NEAC  0-5 
GL  Marietta  OAC  3-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-5 
MA  Gettysburg  CC  4-0      EAST  Wells  NEAC  0-7 
MA  Johns Hopkins  CC  4-0      GL  La Roche  AMCC  0-4 
MA  Muhlenberg  CC  6-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-6 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  4-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-4 
MA  Hood  MACC  6-0      MA  Southern Virginia  CAC  0-7 
MA  Widener  MACC  6-0      MA  Dickinson  CC  0-2 
NE  Nichols  CCC  4-0      NE  Anna Maria  GNAC  0-6 
NE  Amherst  NESCAC  3-0      NE  Lasell  GNAC  0-6 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  5-0      NE  Eastern Connecticut  LEC  0-3 
NE  Hamilton  NESCAC  4-0      NE  Bridgewater State  MASCAC  0-4 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  5-0      NE  Framingham State  MASCAC  0-7 
NE  Tufts  NESCAC  4-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-7 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  5-0      SOUTH  Belhaven  ASC  0-2 
NE  Springfield  NEWMAC  5-0      SOUTH  Shenandoah  ODAC  0-2 
SOUTH  Louisiana College  ASC  2-0      SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC  0-4 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  6-0      SOUTH  Brevard  USAC  0-4 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  2-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-3 
SOUTH  University of Dallas  SCAC  3-0      SOUTH  N.C. Wesleyan  USAC  0-3 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  4-0      SOUTH  William Peace  USAC  0-5 
SOUTH  Piedmont  USAC  4-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-4 
WEST  Buena Vista  ARC  6-0      WEST  St. Scholastica  UMAC  0-5 
WEST  Dubuque  ARC  3-0           
WEST  Augsburg  MIAC  2-0           
WEST  St. Mary's (Minn.)  MIAC  2-0           
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2019, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 26, 2019, 11:59:15 AM

MW  Defiance  HCAC  5-0        Southern Virginia  CAC  0-7 
MW  Hanover  HCAC  4-0        Dickinson  CC  0-2 
HCAC is in the Great Lakes
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2019, 12:15:11 PM
Looks great!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2019, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2019, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 26, 2019, 11:59:15 AM

MW  Defiance  HCAC  5-0        Southern Virginia  CAC  0-7 
MW  Hanover  HCAC  4-0        Dickinson  CC  0-2 
HCAC is in the Great Lakes

Senility strikes again
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2019, 06:59:57 AM
Through 11/26/19

Teams falling off the undefeated list last night were Amherst, Babson, Gwynedd Mercy, Penn State Altoona, Piedmont, Rochester, and St. Mary's.....   37 teams remain undefeated

Teams falling off the winless list last night were Anna Maria, Blackburn, Eastern Connecticut, Framingham State, La Roche, Shenandoah, and St. Scholastica.....  34 teams remain winless

               undefeated                                         winless


ATL  Stevens  MACF  5-0      ATL  Immaculata  AEC  0-3 
CEN  Carthage  CCIW  5-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-5 
CEN  Elmhurst  CCIW  4-0      ATL  Clarks Summit  CSAC  0-7 
CEN  Lawrence  MWC  2-0      ATL  Brooklyn  CUNYAC  0-4 
CEN  Monmouth  MWC  5-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-5 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  5-0      ATL  Hunter  CUNYAC  0-5 
CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  5-0      ATL  Merchant Marine  SKY  0-4 
CEN  UW-Stevens Point  WIAC  3-0      ATL  St. Joseph's (L.I.)  SKY  0-4 
EAST  Union  LL  2-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-9 
EAST  Oswego State  SUNYAC  4-0      CEN  Edgewood  NACC  0-3 
GL  Defiance  HCAC  5-0      CEN  Illinois Tech  NACC  0-4 
GL  Hanover  HCAC  4-0      CEN  Marian  NACC  0-5 
GL  Hope  MIAA  3-0      CEN  Spalding  SLIAC  0-4 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  3-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-5 
GL  Wooster  NCAC  3-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-4 
GL  John Carroll  OAC  3-0      EAST  St. Lawrence  LL  0-3 
GL  Marietta  OAC  4-0      EAST  Cazenovia  NEAC  0-4 
MA  Gettysburg  CC  5-0      EAST  Gallaudet  NEAC  0-5 
MA  Johns Hopkins  CC  5-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-6 
MA  Muhlenberg  CC  7-0      EAST  Wells  NEAC  0-7 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  5-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-6 
MA  Hood  MACC  7-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-5 
MA  Widener  MACC  6-0      MA  Southern Virginia  CAC  0-8 
NE  Nichols  CCC  4-0      MA  Dickinson  CC  0-3 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  5-0      NE  Lasell  GNAC  0-6 
NE  Hamilton  NESCAC  4-0      NE  Bridgewater State  MASCAC  0-5 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  6-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-7 
NE  Tufts  NESCAC  5-0      SOUTH  Belhaven  ASC  0-3 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  5-0      SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC  0-4 
NE  Springfield  NEWMAC  5-0      SOUTH  Brevard  USAC  0-4 
SOUTH  Louisiana College  ASC  2-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-3 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  6-0      SOUTH  N.C. Wesleyan  USAC  0-4 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  3-0      SOUTH  William Peace  USAC  0-5 
SOUTH  University of Dallas  SCAC  3-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-4 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  5-0           
WEST  Buena Vista  ARC  6-0           
WEST  Dubuque  ARC  4-0           

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 28, 2019, 07:28:40 AM
Through 11/27/19

Last night, Undefeateds go from 37 teams to 36, as Wooster falls off, losing to Mt. Union

Winless stay that way, sitting at 34 teams....

Many games this weekend... the lists will decrease!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2019, 10:19:55 AM
Through 11/29/19

Undefeateds go from 36 to 35 last night... Hope drops off, losing to Cornerstone

Winless stay at 34....,
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2019, 07:59:41 AM
Through 11/30/19

Undefeated drops from 35 to 33 yesterday
     Louisiana College loses to Millsaps
      U of Dallas loses to Chapman

Winless drops from 34 to 32
      Clarks Summit wins a battle of the winless over Bryn Athyn
       Marian wins over MSOE (Milwaukee Engineering)
     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 01, 2019, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2019, 07:59:41 AM
Through 11/30/19

Undefeated drops from 35 to 33 yesterday
     Louisiana College loses to Millsaps
      U of Dallas loses to Chapman

Winless drops from 34 to 32
      Clarks Summit wins a battle of the winless over Bryn Athyn
       Marian wins over MSOE (Milwaukee Engineering)
     
Mount St Vincent beat La Verne in a battle of winless as well
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 02, 2019, 10:53:42 AM
Through 12/1/19

Undefeateds fall from 33 to 32 ....  Lawrence loses to UW Oshkosh

Winless goes from 32 to 30.... Edgewood beats Concordia-Chicago

                               Undefeated                                   Winless

ATL  Stevens  MACF  6-0      ATL  Immaculata  AEC  0-3 
CEN  Carthage  CCIW  5-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-6 
CEN  Elmhurst  CCIW  5-0      ATL  Brooklyn  CUNYAC  0-4 
CEN  Monmouth  MWC  5-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-6 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  6-0      ATL  Hunter  CUNYAC  0-5 
CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  6-0      ATL  Mount St. Mary  SKY  0-4 
CEN  UW-Stevens Point  WIAC  5-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-9 
EAST  Union  LL  2-0      CEN  Illinois Tech  NACC  0-5 
EAST  Oswego State  SUNYAC  4-0      CEN  Spalding  SLIAC  0-5 
GL  Defiance  HCAC  5-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-6 
GL  Hanover  HCAC  4-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-4 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  3-0      EAST  St. Lawrence  LL  0-3 
GL  John Carroll  OAC  5-0      EAST  Cazenovia  NEAC  0-4 
GL  Marietta  OAC  4-0      EAST  Gallaudet  NEAC  0-7 
MA  Gettysburg  CC  6-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-6 
MA  Johns Hopkins  CC  6-0      EAST  Wells  NEAC  0-7 
MA  Muhlenberg  CC  7-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-6 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  6-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-6 
MA  Hood  MACC  7-0      MA  Southern Virginia  CAC  0-8 
MA  Widener  MACC  7-0      MA  Dickinson  CC  0-3 
NE  Nichols  CCC  5-0      NE  Lasell  GNAC  0-6 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  7-0      NE  Bridgewater State  MASCAC  0-5 
NE  Hamilton  NESCAC  6-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-8 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  7-0      SOUTH  Belhaven  ASC  0-3 
NE  Tufts  NESCAC  5-0      SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC  0-6 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  6-0      SOUTH  Brevard  USAC  0-4 
NE  Springfield  NEWMAC  5-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-5 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  7-0      SOUTH  N.C. Wesleyan  USAC  0-4 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  4-0      SOUTH  William Peace  USAC  0-5 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  7-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-5 
WEST  Buena Vista  ARC  8-0           
WEST  Dubuque  ARC  5-0           
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2019, 11:01:53 AM
Unless I'm counting wrong, I only see 32 Undefeated and 30 Winless there
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 02, 2019, 12:21:39 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2019, 11:01:53 AM
Unless I'm counting wrong, I only see 32 Undefeated and 30 Winless there
.

Uhoh.  I'll check late this afternoon. Hitting the bridge tables now!!

A one conference programming mixup... the 32 and 30 are correctly listed... the count had gotten mixed up.. Thanks FC..
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2019, 06:04:14 AM
The perfect storm struck last night in upstate New York....

Winless St. Lawrence DEFEATS undefeated Oswego State 83-82..... perfect No More!!!

Undefeated drops to 31........... Winless drops to 29
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2019, 09:27:37 AM
Through 12/3... lots of activity last night

Undefeateds drop from 31 to 30
          Tufts loses to WPI

Winless drops from 29 to 24!!!!!!
          Brooklyn beats York (N.Y.) in CUNY Conference game
           Hunter beats Medgar Evers in another CUNY game
           Mount St. Mary beats (SHOCKS) Hartwick.... Hartwick entered the game with a 5-1 record
          N. C. Wesleyan beats   Mid-Atlantic Christian, by 42!!!!.... hey that's why Mid Atlantic is on the schedule
           Southern Virginia beats Eastern Mennonite by 1 with a hoop with 2 seconds left in game

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on December 04, 2019, 06:40:28 PM
The CUNY, where anything can happen!!

Now if only someone would watch us!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2019, 08:24:08 AM
Active night last night, 12/4/19.....  3 teams drop off each list!!

Undefeated drops from 30 to 27
     Buena Vista loses to No 6 Nebraska Wesleyan
      Gettysburg  loses to No 15 Johns Hopkins.......... Note D3hoops staff... you have included Nov 9 game with D1 Mount St Mary's in Gettysburg record.. that was an                                                                                                                             Exhibition game per Gettysburg schedule
       John Carroll lost to Mount Union


Winless drops from 24 to 21
       Wells beats Houghton (1-6)
        Cazenovia beats  SUNY ESF (USCAA)
        Dickinson beats McDaniel
     
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2019, 10:45:32 PM
No changes to undefeated or winless on 12/5/19
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
No changes to either group on Friday 12/6

Here is where we stand going into a very busy Saturday... 27 undefeated, 21 winless


ATL  Stevens  MACF  6-0      ATL  Immaculata  AEC  0-4 
CEN  Carthage  CCIW  6-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-6 
CEN  Elmhurst  CCIW  6-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-8 
CEN  Monmouth  MWC  6-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-9 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  6-0      CEN  Illinois Tech  NACC  0-5 
CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  7-0      CEN  Spalding  SLIAC  0-5 
CEN  UW-Stevens Point  WIAC  5-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-6 
EAST  Union  LL  3-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-6 
GL  Defiance  HCAC  5-0      EAST  Gallaudet  NEAC  0-7 
GL  Hanover  HCAC  5-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-6 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  4-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-7 
GL  Marietta  OAC  5-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-7 
MA  Johns Hopkins  CC  7-0      NE  Lasell  GNAC  0-7 
MA  Muhlenberg  CC  8-0      NE  Bridgewater State  MASCAC  0-6 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  7-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-8 
MA  Hood  MACC  7-0      SOUTH  Belhaven  ASC  0-4 
MA  Widener  MACC  8-0      SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC  0-6 
NE  Nichols  CCC  6-0      SOUTH  Brevard  USAC  0-5 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  8-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-6 
NE  Hamilton  NESCAC  7-0      SOUTH  William Peace  USAC  0-6 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  8-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-6 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  7-0           
NE  Springfield  NEWMAC  6-0           
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  8-0           
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  4-0           
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  8-0           
WEST  Dubuque  ARC  5-0           
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2019, 10:41:03 PM
Formerly undefeated Carthage falls to IWU, 95-91. ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: magicman on December 08, 2019, 05:26:29 AM
Here you go hopefan I did your homework for you today.

Your perfect storm again:  Winless Lasell (0-7) defeats undefeated Nichols (6-0)  96-89.



Also dropping off the undefeated list:

Hamilton (7-0) loses to 2-4 SUNY-Purchase 97-76 to fall off the undefeated list.

Dubuque (5-0) loses to Nebraska Wesleyan 88-63 to fall off the undefeated list.

Muhlenberg (8-0) loses to Johns Hopkins  59-55 to fall off the undefeated list.



And on the other side of the coin:

Illinois Tech (0-5) defeated MSOE  69-39 to fall off the winless list.

Gallaudet (0-7) defeated Cazenovia  74-65 to fall off the winless list.

Bridgewater State (0-6) won twice: On 12-5 over Dean 78-77 and on 12-7 over Wheaton (Mass.) 92-81 Not winless now.

JWU- Denver (0-6) defeated Oglala Lakota 96-72 to fall off the winless list.

Brevard (0-5) defeated  Berea 76-68 to fall off the winless list.



Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
Thanks..Magic... I was a little bleary eyed this morning anyway... also picked up the fact that I missed the 12/5 Bridgewater State game....

So down to 22 undefeated......15 winless

I noticed the game on JWU-Denver schedule long ago...Oglala Lakota....  assuming a Native American college.... Would be interesting to see what their hoops is like... I've been enthralled with specials about High Schools like this...particularly remember the series about an Alaskan school and how much the team meant to the community...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2019, 10:39:58 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 08, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
I noticed the game on JWU-Denver schedule long ago...Oglala Lakota....  assuming a Native American college....

It's a tribal community college owned and operated by the Lakota Nation (aka the Sioux). It's located on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in southwestern South Dakota.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Baldini on December 08, 2019, 11:31:59 AM
Native American school are hard to follow for the most part. They can have a wildly good team one season and have no program the next and if they have a website it often is not current. Oglala Lakota seems to consistently have a team at the least. Haskell Indian Nations in Kansas and Bacone in Oklahoma are both NAIA school and are rare exceptions of regularly funded programs.

Leech Lake Tribal College and Sisseton Wahpeton College (both look like they are good again this year) have won the past 2 NIAC conference titles and Turtle Mountain Community College has also won a pair of titles (2013 and 2016). But often these schools will schedule a season of game and than forfeit each game as the season go on like Cankdeska Cikana Community College did last season and Nueta Hidatsa Shanish College appears to be doing this season.

For those that like to deep dive into college basketball, Native American schools are probably the deepest dive of them all.       
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2019, 07:41:57 AM
Through games of 12/8/19

Undefeateds drop by 1 to 21 as Stevens loses to Middlebury...

Winless stays at 15

Here they are:


CEN  Elmhurst  CCIW  6-0      ATL  Immaculata  AEC  0-4 
CEN  Monmouth  MWC  6-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-7 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  6-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-9 
CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  8-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-9 
CEN  UW-Stevens Point  WIAC  6-0      CEN  Spalding  SLIAC  0-7 
EAST  Union  LL  4-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-6 
GL  Defiance  HCAC  6-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-7 
GL  Hanover  HCAC  6-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-7 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  5-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-7 
GL  Marietta  OAC  6-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-8 
MA  Johns Hopkins  CC  8-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-9 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  8-0      SOUTH  Belhaven  ASC  0-4 
MA  Hood  MACC  8-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-6 
MA  Widener  MACC  9-0      SOUTH  William Peace  USAC  0-6 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  9-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-7 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  9-0           
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  9-0           
NE  Springfield  NEWMAC  7-0           
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  9-0           
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  4-0           
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  9-0           
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2019, 06:02:35 AM
Undefeated and winless don't change on 12/9... 21 undefeated, 15 winless

I'm going to start following undefeated and winless vs D3 only....undefeated or winless vs D3 teams, but a win or a loss against non D3 teams that keeps them off our undefeated or winlees lists...

                                              vs D3      overall

WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      5-2 


                                                       vs D3      overall

CEN  North Park  CCIW     0-5      1-5 
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-6      1-6 
EAST  Cazenovia  NEAC     0-5      1-6 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-7      1-7 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-4      3-4 
SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC     0-6      1-6 
SOUTH  LaGrange  USAC     0-4      1-4 
WEST  Martin Luther  UMAC     0-3      1-4 
WEST  North Central (Minn.)  UMAC     0-7      2-7 

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2019, 06:47:48 AM
Since you have first (St Thomas (TX)) and second (JWU-Denver) year provisionals...

Pratt is 0-4 vs D3 and 4-6 overall from the ACAA (5 more D3 games)
MUW is 0-2 vs D3 and 2-6 overall (only 2 more D3 games)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2019, 07:05:45 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2019, 06:47:48 AM
Since you have first (St Thomas (TX)) and second (JWU-Denver) year provisionals...

Pratt is 0-4 vs D3 and 4-6 overall from the ACAA (5 more D3 games)
MUW is 0-2 vs D3 and 2-6 overall (only 2 more D3 games)

I included St.Thomas Tx and JWU Denver in all my data as D3 teams because they play complete D3 conference schedules, and their overall schedule is a high % of D3 games...  it's the exact opposite for Pratt and Mississippi U W.... a low % of D3 games, so I did not include them as D3 teams.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2019, 06:02:35 AM
Undefeated and winless don't change on 12/9... 21 undefeated, 15 winless

I'm going to start following undefeated and winless vs D3 only....undefeated or winless vs D3 teams, but a win or a loss against non D3 teams that keeps them off our undefeated or winlees lists...

                                              vs D3      overall

WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      5-2 


                                                       vs D3      overall

CEN  North Park  CCIW     0-5      1-5 
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-6      1-6 
EAST  Cazenovia  NEAC     0-5      1-6 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-7      1-7 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-4      3-4 
SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC     0-6      1-6 
SOUTH  LaGrange  USAC     0-4      1-4 
WEST  Martin Luther  UMAC     0-3      1-4 
WEST  North Central (Minn.)  UMAC     0-7      2-7 


Aw, crap. I was hoping that you'd either abandoned this particular project for good, or were at least planning to take a one-year hiatus from doing it. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2019, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2019, 06:02:35 AM
Undefeated and winless don't change on 12/9... 21 undefeated, 15 winless

I'm going to start following undefeated and winless vs D3 only....undefeated or winless vs D3 teams, but a win or a loss against non D3 teams that keeps them off our undefeated or winlees lists...

                                              vs D3      overall

WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      5-2 


                                                       vs D3      overall

CEN  North Park  CCIW     0-5      1-5 
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-6      1-6 
EAST  Cazenovia  NEAC     0-5      1-6 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-7      1-7 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-4      3-4 
SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC     0-6      1-6 
SOUTH  LaGrange  USAC     0-4      1-4 
WEST  Martin Luther  UMAC     0-3      1-4 
WEST  North Central (Minn.)  UMAC     0-7      2-7 


Aw, crap. I was hoping that you'd either abandoned this particular project for good, or were at least planning to take a one-year hiatus from doing it. ;)

;) ;D ;) ;) ;D :o ::)
Note no team in bold print....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 10, 2019, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2019, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2019, 06:02:35 AM
Undefeated and winless don't change on 12/9... 21 undefeated, 15 winless

I'm going to start following undefeated and winless vs D3 only....undefeated or winless vs D3 teams, but a win or a loss against non D3 teams that keeps them off our undefeated or winlees lists...

                                              vs D3      overall

WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      5-2 


                                                       vs D3      overall

CEN  North Park  CCIW     0-5      1-5 
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-6      1-6 
EAST  Cazenovia  NEAC     0-5      1-6 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-7      1-7 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-4      3-4 
SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC     0-6      1-6 
SOUTH  LaGrange  USAC     0-4      1-4 
WEST  Martin Luther  UMAC     0-3      1-4 
WEST  North Central (Minn.)  UMAC     0-7      2-7 


Aw, crap. I was hoping that you'd either abandoned this particular project for good, or were at least planning to take a one-year hiatus from doing it. ;)

;) ;D ;) ;) ;D :o ::)
Note no team in bold print....

Fixed that for you  - but in their defense these are only pre-_ _ _ _ _ _ games  :) ;) :D ;D ::)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 05:21:53 PM
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Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2019, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 05:21:53 PM
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As even FDF acknowledges in his tagline, goodknight had it right:  "Blame FDF.  That's the default.  Always blame FDF."
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 10, 2019, 10:18:56 PM
Johns Hopkins falls from the ranks of the unbeaten, at the hands of #1 Swarthmore. Great game between those two though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2019, 08:39:50 AM
An active night on 12/10

Undefeated drop by 4 from 21 teams to 17

Union clobbered by LL rival Hobart
Defiance loses by one to Oberlin..... note Oberlin, a cupcake for many years, is now 7-3 against pretty good competition...
Johns Hopkins loses close to number 1 Swarthmore
Springfield loses close at Amherst

Winless no change at 15

Also no changes to our undefeated vs D3 only (1),   or our winless vs D3 only (9)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2019, 06:56:29 AM
From Games of 12/11/19

Our undefeated list drops from 17 to 15
         Monmouth loses by 3 at Lake Forest   Monmouth missed several shots in last 22 seconds that would have put them ahead or tied it
          Stevens Point loses by 18 at home to Bethel ????

Winless stays at 15

Undefeated vs D3 only stays at 1

Winless vs D3 only drops from 9 to 8  as North Central Minn beats Martin Luther in a battle of two teams that were on this list....
   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2019, 07:15:42 AM
No changes on out lists last night 12/12/19
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2019, 06:49:21 AM
12/13/19

We lose one winless team off our list as Belhaven wins at Rhodes.... Winless down to 14 teams

Going into Saturday, here's where our lists stand:

                         Undefeated (15)                      Winless (14)
CEN  Elmhurst  CCIW  6-0      ATL  Immaculata  AEC  0-4 
CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  8-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-8 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  7-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-10 
GL  Hanover  HCAC  6-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-9 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  5-0      CEN  Spalding  SLIAC  0-7 
GL  Marietta  OAC  6-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-6 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  9-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-8 
MA  Widener  MACC  9-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-7 
MA  Hood  MACC  8-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-8 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  9-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-8 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  9-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-10 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  9-0      SOUTH  William Peace  USAC  0-6 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  9-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-6 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  5-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-7 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  9-0           


Undefeated vs D3 only  (1)
               

WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      5-2 
               
Winless vs D3 only  (8)               
               
CEN  North Park  CCIW     0-5      1-5 
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-6      1-6 
EAST  Cazenovia  NEAC     0-5      1-6 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-7      1-7 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-4      3-4 
SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC     0-6      1-6 
SOUTH  LaGrange  USAC     0-4      1-4 
WEST  Martin Luther  UMAC     0-3      1-4 
         -      - 
               
               
               
               
               
               

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2019, 06:19:51 AM
Numerous changes to our list on a busy Saturday, 12/14/19

Undefeated goes from 15 to 12
      Elmhurst lost to North Central (IL) 76-74
       Hanover lost to Defiance 75-69
      Hood lost to Albright 78-75

Winless drops from 14 to 11
     Spalding beat Iowa Wesleyan 76-71
      Immaculata beat Dickinson 64-62
     William Peace beat Methodist 93-79

Undefeated vs D3 only stays at 1

Winless vs D3 only drops from 8 to 5
      Cazenovia beat Clarks Summit   85-77
      Martin Luther beat Maranatha Baptist  80-72
      LaGrange beat winless Maryville (Tn.) 91-82

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2019, 06:59:05 AM
12/16/19   No changes to our lists on 12/15/19...Here's how we stand

                   Undefeated                                Winless   

CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  9-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-9 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  7-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-10 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  7-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-9 
GL  Marietta  OAC  6-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-7 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  9-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-8 
MA  Widener  MACC  10-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-7 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  9-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-9 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  9-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-8 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  9-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-10 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  9-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-7 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  5-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-7 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  9-0           



                   Undefeated vs D3 only         

WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      6-2 


                 Winless vs D3 only
CEN  North Park  CCIW     0-6      1-6 
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-7      1-7 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-7      1-7 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-6      3-6 
SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC     0-7      1-7 


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2019, 05:19:32 AM
No changes to our lists on 12/16/19, 12/17/19

Undefeated   12
Winless     11
Undefeated vs D3 only   1
Winless vs D3 only   5
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2019, 07:14:18 AM
No changes on 12/18/19.. but note, Undefeated Widener plays D1 Lafayette tonight 12/19/19

Other activity tonight has Winless Finlandia playing Carleton in Orlando... Carleton played a great Overtime game with Hope last night, they may enter this one with tired bodies....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 19, 2019, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2019, 07:14:18 AM
No changes on 12/18/19.. but note, Undefeated Widener plays D1 Lafayette tonight 12/19/19

Other activity tonight has Winless Finlandia playing Carleton in Orlando... Carleton played a great Overtime game with Hope last night, they may enter this one with tired bodies....

yeah, Finlandia's not beating Carleton  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2019, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: sac on December 19, 2019, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2019, 07:14:18 AM
No changes on 12/18/19.. but note, Undefeated Widener plays D1 Lafayette tonight 12/19/19

Other activity tonight has Winless Finlandia playing Carleton in Orlando... Carleton played a great Overtime game with Hope last night, they may enter this one with tired bodies....

yeah, Finlandia's not beating Carleton  ;)

Didn't say they were ;D ;D... just trying to give anyone related to Finlandia a glimmer of hope.... I stood around their players last night and wanted badly to say how much I appreciated their efforts, their horrendous travel situation, etc... couldn't find the right words... didn't want them to think they were being pitied or laughed at, whatever.... I hope they find a win this year... those kids deserve it....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 19, 2019, 01:53:20 PM
They get another shot at St. Scholastica in January along with Northland.  That's going to be their best shots at winning a D3 game.

4 games against Michigan community colleges Gogebic and Bay, and couple games with something called Holy Family College in Wisconsin.


Their D3 losing streak hits 40 with Carleton tonight.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2019, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: sac on December 19, 2019, 01:53:20 PM
They get another shot at St. Scholastica in January along with Northland.  That's going to be their best shots at winning a D3 game.

4 games against Michigan community colleges Gogebic and Bay, and couple games with something called Holy Family College in Wisconsin.


Their D3 losing streak hits 40 with Carleton tonight.

Holy Family is the new (old) name of Silver Lake.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 20, 2019, 05:59:03 AM
12/19/19     Widener can't compete with Lafayette... they move from our Undefeated list to our Undefeated vs D3 only list...

The current count:
Undefeated  (11)
Winless    (11}
Undefeated vs D3 only  (2)
Winless vs D3 only  (5)

Action tonight includes:
Winless Waynesburg at D2 Malone
Winless Bryn Athyn host Delaware Valley
Winless vs D3 only Goucher playing Oglethorpe
Winless vs D3 only JWU-Denver hosts Texas Lutheran
Winless vs D3 only North Park Hosts Illinois College

Undefeated UW-La Crosse at Willamette
Undefeated St. Thomas (Tx) at U of Dallas
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2019, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 16, 2019, 06:59:05 AM
12/16/19   No changes to our lists on 12/15/19...Here's how we stand

                   Undefeated                                Winless   

CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  9-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-9 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  7-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-10 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  7-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-9 
GL  Marietta  OAC  6-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-7 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  9-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-8 
MA  Widener  MACC  10-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-7 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  9-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-9 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  9-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-8 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  9-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-10 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  9-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-7 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  5-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-7 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  9-0           



                   Undefeated vs D3 only         

WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      6-2 


                 Winless vs D3 only
CEN  North Park  CCIW     0-6      1-6 
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-7      1-7 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-7      1-7 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-6      3-6 
SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC     0-7      1-7 





Get that outta here!

North Park 84, Illinois College 81
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2019, 10:10:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2019, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 16, 2019, 06:59:05 AM
12/16/19   No changes to our lists on 12/15/19...Here's how we stand

                   Undefeated                                Winless   

CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  9-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-9 
CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  7-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-10 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  7-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-9 
GL  Marietta  OAC  6-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-7 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  9-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-8 
MA  Widener  MACC  10-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-7 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  9-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-9 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  9-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-8 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  9-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-10 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  9-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-7 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  5-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-7 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  9-0           



                   Undefeated vs D3 only         

WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      6-2 


                 Winless vs D3 only
CEN  North Park  CCIW     0-6      1-6 
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-7      1-7 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-7      1-7 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-6      3-6 
SOUTH  JWU-Denver  SCAC     0-7      1-7 





Get that outta here!

North Park 84, Illinois College 81

Congratulations, Greg!  Now go get a few more (just not against my Titans ;))!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2019, 04:45:41 AM
Yep  it's a much happier Christmas break for not just one, but 2 of our winless vs D3 only teams!!!!

North Park wins at home vs Illinois College   84-81

and

Johnson and Wales Denver wins in conference (SCAC) over Texas Lutheran    59-58


I'm sure Greg is happy to share the spotlight!!     
Other lists remain unchanged going into 12/21/19


Action today 12/21 includes
Undefeated UW-La Crosse at George Fox
Undefeated St. Thomas Tx at Austin

Winless Penn State Berks at Centenary NJ
Winless vs D3 only Goucher vs Geneva, in W Palm Beach

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2019, 07:24:47 AM
Through Dec. 22, 2019


                             Undefeated (11)                    Winless  (11)

CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  9-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-11 
CEN  UW-Platteville  WIAC  9-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-10 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  8-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-11 
GL  Marietta  OAC  8-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-7 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  9-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-8 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  10-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-8 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  9-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-11 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  9-0      GL  Bethany  PrAC  0-9 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  9-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-10 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  8-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-8 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  9-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-8 


           Undefeated vs D3 only  (2)


MA  Widener  MACC     10-0      10-1 
WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     3-0      6-2 
      
            
            Winless vs D3 only (3)                     


CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-7      1-7 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-9      1-9 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-6      3-6 

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2019, 04:07:25 PM
Amazing... or not...??
At this same point in time last year, 11 undefeated, 12 winless...............   this year 11 and 11

only repeat undefeated is Marietta

only repeat winless is Finlandia... Finlandia went the whole season 2018-19 winless
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 27, 2019, 07:58:11 AM
12/27/19... one team on our list in action today.... Undefeated UW-Platteville takes on Letourneau in MHB Tourney
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2019, 06:28:52 AM
No change to our list last night.... UW Platteville beats Letourneau 74-66

Here is what is happening today...12/28
Undefeated UW Platteville takes on Mary Hardin Baylor (8-2) at MHB Tourney
Undefeated Marietta vs Salisbury at Great Lakes Tourney

Winless Laverne hosts Tufts
Winless Bryn Athyn plays at DeSales
Winless Bethany plays at Christopher Newport...  this one could be ugly
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 28, 2019, 10:29:12 PM
AND DOWN THEY GO!!!

12/28/19

Marietta (Home) loses to Salisbury
UW-Platteville loses at Mary Hardin-Baylor

Undefeated goes from 11 to 9...
All others stay the same.....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2019, 08:57:09 AM
12/29/19    a number of our perfect records on the line!!!

First.... a chance for a perfect storm!
UNDEFEATED Wittenberg TH (8 - 0)     vs WINLESS Elmira TA (0 - 7)   WOULDN'T IT BE AMAZING!!!!      

UNDEFEATED Emory TH (9 - 0)     vs UW-Oshkosh TA (5 - 4)      There is a chance         
UNDEFEATED Randolph-Macon TH (9 - 0)     vs Lebanon Valley TA (3 - 6)               
UNDEFEATED St. Thomas (Tx.) H  (0 - 0) (8 - 0)       vs JWU-Denver A  (1 - 1) (2 - 7)   
UNDEFEATED UW-La Crosse H (9 - 0)     vs CCIW Augustana A (7 - 3)   Another possibility

WINLESS Bryn Athyn TN (0 - 12)     vs Juniata TN (2 - 7)      a win is possible
Emory and Henry TN (3 - 7)     vs WINLESS  Bethany TN (0 - 10)      here too
Stockton TN (7 - 2)     vs WINLESS  Maryville (Tenn.) TN (0 - 8)

UNDEFEATED VS D3 ONLY Pomona-Pitzer H (3-0, 6 - 2)     vs Lake Forest A (4 - 3)


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2019, 04:04:17 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  We lose at least 1 perfect team... Bethany hits a 3 pointer at the Buzzer to beat Emory and Henry 75-72

Question...vs Emory and Henry,  Bethany has ball out under basket with .4 seconds... pass in, catch and shoot... are you supposed to be able to catch and shoot in .4 seconds?  The basket didn't have a lighting system....But replaying, the ball was clearly in the shooter's hands when the clock over the hoop read 0.0... the basket should never have counted....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2019, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 29, 2019, 04:04:17 PM
;D ;D ;D  We lose at least 1 perfect team... Bethany hits a 3 pointer at the Buzzer to beat Emory and Henry 75-72

Question...vs Emory and Henry,  Bethany has ball out under basket with .4 seconds... pass in, catch and shoot... are you supposed to be able to catch and shoot in .4 seconds?  The basket didn't have a lighting system....But replaying, the ball was clearly in the shooter's hands when the clock over the hoop read 0.0... the basket should never have counted....


I believe .3 is catch and shoot, anything less has to be a tip.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2019, 07:53:36 AM
Besides Bethany's controversial Buzzer Beater win, no other changes to our lists on Sunday, Dec 29

Here are our updated perfects through 12/29/19

                   Undefeated (9)                                Winless (10)

CEN  UW-La Crosse  WIAC  10-0      ATL  Bryn Athyn  CSAC  0-13 
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  9-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-10 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  9-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-11 
NE  Babson  NEWMAC  9-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-8 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  9-0      EAST  Elmira  E8  0-8 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  10-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-8 
SOUTH  Emory  UAA  10-0      GL  Waynesburg  PrAC  0-11 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  10-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-10 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  9-0      SOUTH  Maryville (Tenn.)  USAC  0-9 
          WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-9 


               Undefeated vs D only  (2)

MA  Widener  MACC     10-0      10-1 
WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     4-0      7-2 

               Winless vs D3 only  (3)
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-7      1-7 
MA  Goucher  LAND     0-9      1-9 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-6      3-6 

   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2019, 10:51:46 AM
Our lists become further depleted in action on 12/30

Previously undefeated Emory loses at the buzzer to Guilford, 70-69
Previously undefeated Babson loses to East Conn, 77-76

Previously winless Elmira beats Spalding  60-55
Previously winless Martville (Tenn) beats Stevenson  67-50..................This one looks like it must have been a shocker

Previously winless vs D3 only Goucher beat Cairn 96-90

So with this carnage, our perfects dwindle:

Undefeated (7)      Winless (8)      Undefeated vs D3 only (2)      Winless vs D3 only  (2)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2020, 07:45:57 AM
No changes on 12/31/19
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2020, 07:17:57 AM
No changes on 1/2 or 1/3, but MANY of our perfect teams play today.....1/4/20.....  Watch for some to drop off
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2020, 07:00:01 AM
As expected, the number of perfect teams drop with all the activity on !/4/2020

UW-La Crosse no longer undefeated, losing to UW-Oshkosh

Widener loses its first vs D3, losing to Christopher Newport

Bryn Athyn out of the winless group, beating Valley Forge

Waynesburg gets win No 1, Beating Geneva

And so, our lists look like this :

       UNDEFEATED (6)                                       WINLESS (6)
GL  Wittenberg  NCAC  11-0      ATL  CCNY  CUNYAC  0-11 
MA  Swarthmore  CC  10-0      CEN  Finlandia  ACAA  0-13 
NE  Middlebury  NESCAC  12-0      EAST  Bard  LL  0-8 
NE  Colby  NESCAC  10-0      EAST  Penn State-Berks  NEAC  0-8 
SOUTH  Randolph-Macon  ODAC  12-0      NE  Lesley  NECC  0-11 
SOUTH  St. Thomas (Tx.)  SCAC  12-0      WEST  La Verne  SCIAC  0-10 



          UNDEFEATED vs D3 only  (1)
WEST  Pomona-Pitzer  SCIAC     6-0      9-2 
         -      - 

                   WINLESS vs D3 ONLY   (2)
CEN  Principia  SLIAC     0-9      1-9 
NE  Maine-Presque Isle  NAC     0-6      4-6 
         -      - 

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 07:45:50 AM
What is the best record a provisional team has ever had? St Thomas (TX) has a shot to run the table... using Massey's predictions it's a 28.3% chance to finish the regular season unbeaten.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 05, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 07:45:50 AM
What is the best record a provisional team has ever had? St Thomas (TX) has a shot to run the table... using Massey's predictions it's a 28.3% chance to finish the regular season unbeaten.

Conversely, doesn't that mean Massey indicates a 71.7% chance they won't finish unbeaten?
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 05, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 07:45:50 AM
What is the best record a provisional team has ever had? St Thomas (TX) has a shot to run the table... using Massey's predictions it's a 28.3% chance to finish the regular season unbeaten.

Conversely, doesn't that mean Massey indicates a 71.7% chance they won't finish unbeaten?
Yes, but that's a pretty high percentage with 13 games left to play. Better than 1 in 4 chance they win another 13 in a row. If every game was a coinflip they'd only have a 0.012% chance.
Randolph-Macon has 21.7% of finishing the regular season unbeaten based on Massey's predictions.
Swarthmore 9.1%
Wittenberg 8.1%
Colby 1.3%
Middlebury 0.6%
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 10:33:53 AM
There's going to be plenty of chances for teams to get a 1 in the win column the next few days.
1/6 CCNY 72% chance vs Medgar Evers
1/7 Bard 96% chance @ Pratt
1/8 Finlandia 78% chance @ Gogebic CC
1/8 PSU-Berks 43% chance @ Valley Forge
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2020, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 10:33:53 AM
There's going to be plenty of chances for teams to get a 1 in the win column the next few days.
1/6 CCNY 72% chance vs Medgar Evers
1/7 Bard 96% chance @ Pratt
1/8 Finlandia 78% chance @ Gogebic CC
1/8 PSU-Berks 43% chance @ Valley Forge

Pratt would not count as a D3 game, at least on my writings, as they don't play a full D3 schedule this year. A win over them would "advance" Bard to the winless vs D3 only group.
Gogebic CC being a 2 year school, would not count as an actual game for Finlandia and would not count as anything. This was confirmed last year in the survivor contest when I brought it up... I had Finlandia last year. Didn't matter, they lost to Gogebic anyway. I am pretty sure that D3 views games vs CCs and Canadian schools that way too.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 05, 2020, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 05, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 07:45:50 AM
What is the best record a provisional team has ever had? St Thomas (TX) has a shot to run the table... using Massey's predictions it's a 28.3% chance to finish the regular season unbeaten.

Conversely, doesn't that mean Massey indicates a 71.7% chance they won't finish unbeaten?
Yes, but that's a pretty high percentage with 13 games left to play. Better than 1 in 4 chance they win another 13 in a row. If every game was a coinflip they'd only have a 0.012% chance.
Randolph-Macon has 21.7% of finishing the regular season unbeaten based on Massey's predictions.
Swarthmore 9.1%
Wittenberg 8.1%
Colby 1.3%
Middlebury 0.6%

Good point. I wasn't thinking of it from the standpoint of how tough it is to go undefeated.

As to Randolph-Macon, that's my alma mater. I've watched almost all their games online. Given what they lost to graduation last season I've been surprised at how well they are doing.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 05, 2020, 05:36:02 PM
Is Lesley going to have 'the perfect storm' - the likes not seen in a while? Both men and women are 0-fer and the women seem to be down to six players. Ugh...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on January 05, 2020, 06:14:03 PM
CCNY men's and women's are also both 0-11, yet another perfect storm.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on January 05, 2020, 06:36:03 PM
CCNY was once the finest in college basketball, being the only team to win the NCAA and NIT in the same year. I saw many of their stars play in the Eastern League after college.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2020, 05:30:27 AM
I'd imagine if Lesley and CCNY both finished with double perfect records, and a year end doubleheader was set up, it would have tremendous appeal to some of us D3hoops nitwits.... including me!!!   I'm going to try to at least view a part of one of each of the teams' games on the internet to get some insight...

and... no changes to or lists yesterday... No. 1 Swarthmore gets another tight win....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2020, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2020, 05:30:27 AM
I'd imagine if Lesley and CCNY both finished with double perfect records, and a year end doubleheader was set up, it would have tremendous appeal to some of us D3hoops nitwits.... including me!!!   I'm going to try to at least view a part of one of each of the teams' games on the internet to get some insight...

and... no changes to or lists yesterday... No. 1 Swarthmore gets another tight win....

WAAAAAAAAAAAY back in the day we used to devise a fantasy final four with the four worst teams facing off - losers advancing - to determine the worst team in the country.  If I recall, Bard was heavily involved.



BIG chance for CCNY today, though, hosting Medgar Evers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: TheOsprey on January 06, 2020, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2020, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2020, 05:30:27 AM
I'd imagine if Lesley and CCNY both finished with double perfect records, and a year end doubleheader was set up, it would have tremendous appeal to some of us D3hoops nitwits.... including me!!!   I'm going to try to at least view a part of one of each of the teams' games on the internet to get some insight...

and... no changes to or lists yesterday... No. 1 Swarthmore gets another tight win....

WAAAAAAAAAAAY back in the day we used to devise a fantasy final four with the four worst teams facing off - losers advancing - to determine the worst team in the country.  If I recall, Bard was heavily involved.



BIG chance for CCNY today, though, hosting Medgar Evers.
Agree Ryan.  Having CCNY in the survivor's pool, I am a bit concerned that today's game could be their high water mark of this season. :-\ 

I'll certainly check it out this evening.   It should be a competitive event. ::)

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2020, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2020, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2020, 05:30:27 AM
I'd imagine if Lesley and CCNY both finished with double perfect records, and a year end doubleheader was set up, it would have tremendous appeal to some of us D3hoops nitwits.... including me!!!   I'm going to try to at least view a part of one of each of the teams' games on the internet to get some insight...

and... no changes to or lists yesterday... No. 1 Swarthmore gets another tight win....

WAAAAAAAAAAAY back in the day we used to devise a fantasy final four with the four worst teams facing off - losers advancing - to determine the worst team in the country.  If I recall, Bard was heavily involved.



BIG chance for CCNY today, though, hosting Medgar Evers.

There was a Bard player who worked out on school breaks at my fitness center; didn't have the heart to mention to him that his team was my choice to go winless in our contest.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2020, 05:25:30 AM
No changes on 1/6/2020     CCNY loses in OT to Medgar Evers.....I looked, no video of game, only live stats....
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on January 07, 2020, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 07, 2020, 05:25:30 AM
No changes on 1/6/2020     CCNY loses in OT to Medgar Evers.....I looked, no video of game, only live stats....

The CCNY women did win their first, 60-50 against 1-8 Medgar Evers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2020, 06:45:20 AM
Readers... have faith in our winless!!1

Bard with a 96% to win at Pratt!!??!!            NO WORRIES

Pratt 71   Bard 61

NO CHANGES TO OUR LISTS
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2020, 10:45:36 PM

RMC loses and, I couldn't see the score on the grainy video, but Finlandia did manage to lose to that Community College.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: OC_SID on January 08, 2020, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2020, 10:45:36 PM

RMC loses and, I couldn't see the score on the grainy video, but Finlandia did manage to lose to that Community College.

Looking at the archive of the video, it appears the final was 76-68.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 09, 2020, 12:27:48 AM
Cool nickname though......Gogebic Samsons

Also I believe that's Finlandia's shortest road trip of the year, Hancock to Ironwood.  I also just realized the Lions will be making an appearance about 2 blocks from me in February at Great Lakes Christian.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2020, 07:18:20 AM
So Randolph Macon loses to Mary Washington.....  RMC falls off the undefeated list..

Through 1/8/20

Undefeated  (5)
Winless  (6)
Undefeated vs D3 only  (1)
Winless vs D3 only  (2)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2020, 08:42:20 PM

Middlebury and St. Thomas (TX) lose tonight.  Down to three undefeated teams.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
on 1/15/20, Pomona Pitzer loses to Whittier... the final team in Undefeated vs D3 only falls off the list...

So right now

Undefeated  (3)   Swarthmore, Wittenberg, Colby

Winless  (6)   Finlandia, CCNY, Lesley, La Verne, Penn State - Berks, Bard

Undefeated vs D3 only (0)

Winless vs D3 only  (2)  Principia, Maine-Presque Isle
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on January 16, 2020, 02:05:37 PM
Swarthmore (#1 in Massey) - best chance for a loss is 2/12 at Johns Hopkins (55% chance to win)
Wittenberg (#3 in Massey) -  best chance for a loss is Saturday at Wooster (65% chance to win)
Colby (#8 in Massey) - best chance for a loss is Friday at Middlebury (52% chance to win)

Finlandia (#420 in Massey) - best chance for a 4-year college win 2/15 @ Silver Lake (7% chance to win). Only D3game left is St. Scholastica (3% chance on 1/22)
CCNY (#418 in Massey) - best chance for a win 2/15 vs. Hunter (42% chance to win)
Lesley (#422 in Massey - dead last aside from Pratt) - best chance for a win 2/5 vs. Norwich (31% chance to win)
LaVerne (#402 in Massey) - best chance for a win 1/22 vs. Cal Lutheran (47% chance to win)
Penn St - Berks (#417 in Massey) - best chance for a win 2/8 vs. Penn Tech (53% chance to win)
Bard (#419 in Massey) - best chance for a win 2/14 vs. RIT (15% chance to win)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 18, 2020, 07:24:05 PM
Wittenberg falls from the ranks of the undefeated, losing 86-98 at Wooster. We're down to 2.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2020, 07:48:38 PM
Principia off winless vs D3 only list, winning over MacMurray 92-84.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2020, 08:45:19 AM
And as we napped... or followed a different game.... 3 of our 6 winless teams won yesterday!!!

LaVerne wins at Chapman 68-60 in what had to be a stunning upset..
Penn State-Berks wins at home vs Gallaudet 88-81

and in an incredible world record any level from toddler to seniors, offensive output, copied directly from the D3hoops scoreboard:
Bard    676    Rochester Tech    80    Final   • *   

ok,ok  a quick check of the box score shows RIT won 80-67.... and Bard remains winless

1st amusing response to this wins + karma!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Baldini on January 19, 2020, 09:31:07 AM
A little surprised that LaVerne got the win over Chapman, I would of thought Cal Lutheran or Caltech were more likely spots for them to gather a victory.

Maybe 676 is Bard's point total for the season?  ;)

It does look like a few winless teams have a real battle to get a single win this season. Maine-Presque Isle from the winless vs D3 group (of 1) should still win a handful of games, but Bard, CCNY and Finlandia may need some divine intervention to escape the grips of the winless grim reaper.

Great work as always hopefan.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on January 19, 2020, 06:09:50 PM
Looking forward - Games of extreme interest.

Colby - 2/1 @ Massey #19 Tufts 2/8 vs. Massey #36 Amherst. 

Favorable schedule as well, as Hamilton, Amherst, Bates, and Wesleyan all have to make the trek to Waterville in the bleak midwinter.

Swarthmore - 2/12 @ Massey #22 Johns Hopkins

Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2020, 06:07:38 AM
1/25/20......    Maine Presque Isle.. or UMPI... falls off the Winless vs D3 only list.. beating Maine Maritime, 86-78... Congrats to the Great Nor'easters!!!

Our lists are now reduced to :

Undefeated  (2)     Swarthmore and Colby

Winless  (4)   CCNY, Bard, Finlandia, Lesley
..
Just out of curiosity... what was the closest each winless team came to a win?

Bard lost its opener of the season to Becker in OT 72-67... they've lost by double digits in each of the rest of their games..Bard had a one point lead vs Becker in regulation, but Becker made a free throw with 3 seconds left to send the game to OT

CCNY has lost twice in OT... They lost to Connecticut College 83-81 in one that CCNY will never forget... CCNY up by 17 with 4:02 left, conn college scores the next 17 to go to OT!!!!!  CCNY up 1 in OT, Conn Coll hits a 3 with 11 secs to win..                CCNY also lost 103-99 in OT to Medgar Evers..CCNY made a 3 at end of regulation to tie, but lost in OT

Finlandia lost to St. Scholastica in OT 92-85... The Saints gifted Finlandia by missing 2 FTs with 1 second on the clock to put the game to OT, but Finlandia failed to take advantage...  Finlandia had no more games vs D3 opponents, so the best they can hope for is to "advance" to the winless vs D3 only list..

Lesley has not come close to tasting victory... closest game was just this past Saturday when they lost to Dean by 7.... of course in the game previous to that, they lost to Mitchell 104-59.... They do have Dean again, and several other teams with big losing records... there is hope...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 AM
1/28/20       CCNY gets their 1st win of the season, beating Staten Island, 79-70

BUT... Staten Island is no longer a CUNYAC D school.. they are NCAA-D2 this year, despite playing a full CUNYAC schedule..

So.. CCNY moves to the Winless vs D3 only category..

Bard, Finlandia, and Lesley still winless
Colby, Swarthmore still undefeated
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 AM
1/28/20       CCNY gets their 1st win of the season, beating Staten Island, 79-70

BUT... Staten Island is no longer a CUNYAC D school.. they are NCAA-D2 this year, despite playing a full CUNYAC schedule..

So.. CCNY moves to the Winless vs D3 only category..

Bard, Finlandia, and Lesley still winless
Colby, Swarthmore still undefeated

Of course that win counts in the CUNYAC standings for CCNY, so maybe you make an exception and count it as a d3 win.  I believe it will count in regional ranking criteria, as well - there was an exception made this season because of CSI's sudden departure.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 29, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 AM
1/28/20       CCNY gets their 1st win of the season, beating Staten Island, 79-70

BUT... Staten Island is no longer a CUNYAC D school.. they are NCAA-D2 this year, despite playing a full CUNYAC schedule..

So.. CCNY moves to the Winless vs D3 only category..

Bard, Finlandia, and Lesley still winless
Colby, Swarthmore still undefeated

Of course that win counts in the CUNYAC standings for CCNY, so maybe you make an exception and count it as a d3 win.  I believe it will count in regional ranking criteria, as well - there was an exception made this season because of CSI's sudden departure.

no it doesn't...CSI is playing a double round robin CUNYAC schedule but their games are not considered league games. CCNY is  1-17 (0-8 CUNYAC) and still winless against D3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on January 29, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 AM
1/28/20       CCNY gets their 1st win of the season, beating Staten Island, 79-70

BUT... Staten Island is no longer a CUNYAC D school.. they are NCAA-D2 this year, despite playing a full CUNYAC schedule..

So.. CCNY moves to the Winless vs D3 only category..

Bard, Finlandia, and Lesley still winless
Colby, Swarthmore still undefeated

Of course that win counts in the CUNYAC standings for CCNY, so maybe you make an exception and count it as a d3 win.  I believe it will count in regional ranking criteria, as well - there was an exception made this season because of CSI's sudden departure.

no it doesn't...CSI is playing a double round robin CUNYAC schedule but their games are not considered league games. CCNY is  1-17 (0-8 CUNYAC) and still winless against D3.

My bad.  The conference isn't counting them, but the NCAA Championships committee approved using CSI games towards post-season qualification, so they will show up in regional ranking information.  That's in the Sept meeting report.  The NCAA considers CUNYAC games against CSI to be in-region d3 contests.  I don't think that waiver applies to non-conference games, though.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on January 29, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 AM
1/28/20       CCNY gets their 1st win of the season, beating Staten Island, 79-70

BUT... Staten Island is no longer a CUNYAC D school.. they are NCAA-D2 this year, despite playing a full CUNYAC schedule..

So.. CCNY moves to the Winless vs D3 only category..

Bard, Finlandia, and Lesley still winless
Colby, Swarthmore still undefeated

Of course that win counts in the CUNYAC standings for CCNY, so maybe you make an exception and count it as a d3 win.  I believe it will count in regional ranking criteria, as well - there was an exception made this season because of CSI's sudden departure.

no it doesn't...CSI is playing a double round robin CUNYAC schedule but their games are not considered league games. CCNY is  1-17 (0-8 CUNYAC) and still winless against D3.

My bad.  The conference isn't counting them, but the NCAA Championships committee approved using CSI games towards post-season qualification, so they will show up in regional ranking information.  That's in the Sept meeting report.  The NCAA considers CUNYAC games against CSI to be in-region d3 contests.  I don't think that waiver applies to non-conference games, though.

Correct, Ryan... the NCAA is allowing the games to count for CUNYAC members because it was such a sudden departure, they aren't getting hamstrung to try and find two more games in the middle of conference schedules. It might sound easy for one team, but the entire conference trying to do that would have been rough.

The conference may not be counting the games, but conference teams aren't being hurt by CSI being on their schedules.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
For this board's purposes, CSI is a D2 school, and the win is not a win for CCNY ov a D3 school...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 12:25:47 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on January 29, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 29, 2020, 04:13:28 AM
1/28/20       CCNY gets their 1st win of the season, beating Staten Island, 79-70

BUT... Staten Island is no longer a CUNYAC D school.. they are NCAA-D2 this year, despite playing a full CUNYAC schedule..

So.. CCNY moves to the Winless vs D3 only category..

Bard, Finlandia, and Lesley still winless
Colby, Swarthmore still undefeated

Of course that win counts in the CUNYAC standings for CCNY, so maybe you make an exception and count it as a d3 win.  I believe it will count in regional ranking criteria, as well - there was an exception made this season because of CSI's sudden departure.

no it doesn't...CSI is playing a double round robin CUNYAC schedule but their games are not considered league games. CCNY is  1-17 (0-8 CUNYAC) and still winless against D3.

My bad.  The conference isn't counting them, but the NCAA Championships committee approved using CSI games towards post-season qualification, so they will show up in regional ranking information.  That's in the Sept meeting report.  The NCAA considers CUNYAC games against CSI to be in-region d3 contests.  I don't think that waiver applies to non-conference games, though.

Correct, Ryan... the NCAA is allowing the games to count for CUNYAC members because it was such a sudden departure, they aren't getting hamstrung to try and find two more games in the middle of conference schedules. It might sound easy for one team, but the entire conference trying to do that would have been rough.

The conference may not be counting the games, but conference teams aren't being hurt by CSI being on their schedules.

Well, their SOS is being hurt, because CSI is terrible this year.  They might've preferred those wins not count for anything.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2020, 05:09:27 PM
Colby out of undefeated, losing to Tufts...Only Swarthmore remains...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 01, 2020, 08:55:09 PM
Circle 2/12 - Swarthmore at #14 Johns Hopkins (16-2). 
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 03, 2020, 12:54:38 PM
Finlandia has lost 44 games in a row vs D3 competition.

Dec 8, 2017 they beat Crown College
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 05, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
Go crazy folks, go crazy.... Finlandia WINS

But it counts for nothing... they beat Gogebic CC 91-77... CC  CC  CC :( :( :(
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 05, 2020, 10:33:38 PM
Finlandia beat Gogebic 91-77
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2020, 06:48:05 AM
2/7/20... CCNY moves out of the Winless vs D3 only category

They get their 1st win against a D3 team, winning at Brooklyn College, 69-65... a pretty big surprise as Brooklyn was in contention for the CUNY regular season crown just a week ago.... But the bottom has dropped out as the Bulldogs have dropped 3 in a row...
Congrats to CCNY!!!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2020, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 08, 2020, 06:48:05 AM
2/7/20... CCNY moves out of the Winless vs D3 only category

They get their 1st win against a D3 team, winning at Brooklyn College, 69-65... a pretty big surprise as Brooklyn was in contention for the CUNY regular season crown just a week ago.... But the bottom has dropped out as the Bulldogs have dropped 3 in a row...
Congrats to CCNY!!!!

The women's game didn't go nearly so well for CCNY; they lost 99-10.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2020, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 08, 2020, 06:48:05 AM
2/7/20... CCNY moves out of the Winless vs D3 only category

They get their 1st win against a D3 team, winning at Brooklyn College, 69-65... a pretty big surprise as Brooklyn was in contention for the CUNY regular season crown just a week ago.... But the bottom has dropped out as the Bulldogs have dropped 3 in a row...
Congrats to CCNY!!!!

The women's game didn't go nearly so well for CCNY; they lost 99-10.

YIKES!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on February 08, 2020, 12:05:09 PM

The women's game didn't go nearly so well for CCNY; they lost 99-10.
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YIKES!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
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CCNY women have a decent player, Reilly Boehm, she is averaging over 27ppg.  Actually leads D-III women in scoring.  She hasn't played in the past two games. She had 49 points on 1/26 at Lasell. She had 41 against Potsdam on 12/14.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2020, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: thebear on February 08, 2020, 12:05:09 PM

The women's game didn't go nearly so well for CCNY; they lost 99-10.

YIKES!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
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CCNY women have a decent player, Reilly Boehm, she is averaging over 27ppg.  Actually leads D-III women in scoring.  She hasn't played in the past two games. She had 49 points on 1/26 at Lasell. She had 41 against Potsdam on 12/14.
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Looks like the rest of the team forgot what to do w/o her. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on February 09, 2020, 07:30:12 AM
Mrs. hopefan and hopefan taking off for the trip of a lifetime... see you next season
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2020, 09:50:48 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 09, 2020, 07:30:12 AM
Mrs. hopefan and hopefan taking off for the trip of a lifetime... see you next season

Bon voyage! I guess that means that RPI is going all the way in your absence.  ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2020, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2020, 09:50:48 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 09, 2020, 07:30:12 AM
Mrs. hopefan and hopefan taking off for the trip of a lifetime... see you next season

Bon voyage! I guess that means that RPI is going all the way in your absence.  ;)

Nah, it just means that RPI is going to play a SLIAC team in the title game. ;)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 10, 2020, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: thebear on February 08, 2020, 12:05:09 PM

The women's game didn't go nearly so well for CCNY; they lost 99-10.

QuoteYIKES!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o

QuoteCCNY women have a decent player, Reilly Boehm, she is averaging over 27ppg.  Actually leads D-III women in scoring.  She hasn't played in the past two games. She had 49 points on 1/26 at Lasell. She had 41 against Potsdam on 12/14.

We didn't shoot very well, but we made up for it by not rebounding and committing turnovers.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on February 24, 2020, 03:47:31 PM
I guess the regular season ends like this:

Undefeated : Swarthmore

Winless : Bard, Finlandia, Lesley

Lesley's women won their second to last game over Bay Path, so no perfect storm.

Finlandia's women went 14-11 with a 9 game winning streak!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: augie77 on March 10, 2021, 11:10:18 PM
Finlandia wins!  The Lions' 57 game losing streak against ALL competition has ended with a 94-87 win over Gogebic Community College.  This avenges an earlier loss this season to Gogebic.  This was Finlandia's first win since January 18, 2018.

Some may point out that Gogebic isn't a four year college, but they still get a tip of my cap, just for persevering in the most challenging (due to isolation. brutal climate, etc.) situation in all of D3.   
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 23, 2021, 01:32:30 PM
Just getting this started for the season. I'm sure there's teams that would be on the Undefeated/Winless vs D3 lists but I'm not going to search for them. Gordon still on both lists after cancelling their first two games.

Undefeated (52)
Wartburg
Loras
LeTourneau
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Illinois Wesleyan
Elmhurst
Wheaton (IL)
Nichols
Roger Williams
Gordon
DeSales
St Joseph (CT)
Albertus Magnus
Anderson
Rose-Hulman
Hanover
Transylvania
Catholic
Skidmore
St Lawrence
RPI
Mass-Dartmouth
Keene St
Rhode Island College
Clark
Wesleyan
Amherst
Williams
Kean
Rowan
Stockton
Wooster
Linfield
John Carroll
Mount Union
Baldwin Wallace
Heidelberg
Randolph-Macon
Roanoke
Hampden-Sydney
Chatham
Yeshiva
Berry
Cal Lutheran
Whittier
Chapman
C-M-S
Trinity (TX)
Oswego St
Maryville
UW-La Crosse
UW-Platteville

Winless (45)
Pitt-Greensburg
Bryn Athyn
Wilson
Rosemont
St Elizabeth
Gordon
Curry
Elmira
Houghton
Hartwick
Keuka
Stevens
Arcadia
Elms
Bluffton
MUW
Maranantha Baptist
Rochester Tech
Clarkson
Bridgewater St
Monmouth
Springfield
Tufts
Rutgers-Camden
SUNY-Cobleskill
Wittenberg
Kenyon
Edgewood
Bethany
Thiel
SUNY-Purchase
Mount St Mary
St Joseph's (Bklyn)
Austin
Buffalo St
Fredonia
St Mary's (MD)
Gallaudet
Penn College
Penn St-Berks
Martin Luther
Northland
Averett
Mary Baldwin
Brevard
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: deiscanton on November 23, 2021, 07:24:33 PM
Brandeis just kicked UMass-Dartmouth off the undefeated bus this evening.  Brandeis won, 76-68, to hand the Corsairs their first loss of the season.

(The old Boston Globe cartoon in the sports page with "Exit the Dog" is popping up in my head right now....)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2021, 06:56:57 PM
Scratch RMC off the list. CNU wins in OT 77-76. CNU's first lead was in OT. High level hoops game. Each team had 17 assists and CNU only had 5 turnovers and RMC only 6
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: warriorcat on November 29, 2021, 08:47:18 AM
Rhode Island College also dropped it's first game of the season, 83-61, to Worcester State
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2021, 12:36:10 PM
Trinity(TX) lost a 103-100 barnburner to visiting Carleton (who hit nearly half the 28 threes they took, which surely didn't hurt).
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2021, 06:08:40 PM
If there are any errors, blame the NCAA. I did it based on their stats.

Undefeated (13)
Amherst
Clark (MA)
DeSales
Hampden-Sydney
Hanover
Ill. Wesleyan
LeTourneau
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Rensselaer
Saint Joseph (CT)
Williams
Wis.-Platteville
Yeshiva

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Me.-Farmington


Winless (17)
Arcadia
Clarkson
Elms
Fredonia
Hartwick
Houghton
Keuka
Maranatha Baptist
Martin Luther
MUW
Northland
Penn St.-Berks
Purchase
Rutgers-Camden
Saint Elizabeth
St. Joseph's (Brkln)
Warren Wilson

Winless vs D3 (8)
Buffalo St.
Finlandia
La Verne
Lewis & Clark
Me.-Presque Isle
NVU-Lyndon
Saint Vincent
Willamette
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: CNU85 on December 15, 2021, 06:09:18 AM
Scratch Hampden-Sydney off the undefeated list.  ;D
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 16, 2021, 11:08:34 PM
Updated thru 12-15

Maranatha Baptist and MUW get a wins but are still winless vs D3 so moved them there.



Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2021, 06:08:40 PM
If there are any errors, blame the NCAA. I did it based on their stats.

Undefeated (13)
Amherst
Clark (MA)
DeSales
Hampden-Sydney
Hanover
Ill. Wesleyan
LeTourneau
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Rensselaer
Saint Joseph (CT)
Williams
Wis.-Platteville
Yeshiva

Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Me.-Farmington


Winless (17)
Arcadia
Clarkson
Elms
Fredonia
Hartwick
Houghton
Keuka
Martin Luther
Northland
Penn St.-Berks
Purchase
Rutgers-Camden
Saint Elizabeth
St. Joseph's (Brkln)
Warren Wilson

Winless vs D3 (8)
Buffalo St.
Finlandia
La Verne
Lewis & Clark
Maranatha Baptist 
Me.-Presque Isle
MUW
NVU-Lyndon
Saint Vincent
Willamette
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on December 18, 2021, 04:49:26 PM
Looking at the Undefeateds

LeTourneau [#40 tie] has two losses to Non-DIII teams. Should they be moved to the undefeated against D3 category? 

#24 DeSales and #21 Rensselaer are favored in Massey in all their scheduled games,

If Rensselaer beats #34 Oswego on 12/29, they would likely face host St. John Fisher the next day.

#17 Williams has games with both #20 Amherst (1/8 & @1/19) and at #1 Yeshiva (1/2), so at least one of the undefeated teams will have a loss.

#7 St. Joseph's [Ct] faces #8 Marietta in Las Vegas on 12/29

#3 Wisconsin Platteville faces #5 UW Oshkosh twice on 1/19 and 2/2, and #8 UW Lacrosse who they have already beaten on 1/26.

Some defining games coming up for the undefeateds after the Christmas Holiday.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 19, 2021, 12:16:13 AM
Quote from: thebear on December 18, 2021, 04:49:26 PM
Looking at the Undefeateds

LeTourneau [#40 tie] has two losses to Non-DIII teams. Should they be moved to the undefeated against D3 category? 


Sam Houston and Texas State were exhibitions.  They did however lose Saturday to Mary Hardin Baylor, so they'll drop off the next update.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2021, 07:49:34 AM
So glad that this page is being kept up...fun to follow these teams... thanks Sac and Griz
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on December 20, 2021, 11:33:04 AM
Went ahead and dropped those that have dropped off these lists.

Undefeated
Amherst
Clark (MA)
DeSales
Rensselaer
Saint Joseph (CT)
Williams
Wis.-Platteville
Yeshiva

Undefeated vs D3
none


Winless
Elms
Fredonia
Hartwick
Houghton
Keuka
Penn St.-Berks
Purchase
Rutgers-Camden


Winless vs D3
Buffalo St.
Finlandia
La Verne
Maranatha Baptist 
Me.-Presque Isle
MUW
Saint Vincent
Willamette




LeTourneau drops off the undefeated list
St. Elizabeth and Martin Luther drop off the winless list
Lewis and Clark drops off the winless vs D3 list


I only see one game this week, actually tonight, involving any of these teams  DeSales v Muhlenberg, and very few the week following Christmas

Coming up quickly though is Yeshiva vs IWU, followed by Yeshiva v unbeaten Williams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 24, 2021, 01:04:24 AM
Current teams on both the women's and men's lists

Amherst (M 8-0, W 7-0)

Penn St-Berks (M 0-7, W 0-9)
Purchase (M 0-7, W 0-8)

Maranatha Baptist (M 1-11 [0-6 D3], W 3-5 [0-3 D3])
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on December 31, 2021, 11:02:14 AM
Undefeated list gets shorter, as Yeshiva, DeSales, and Rensselaer all lost yesterday.

Platteville [a 2x undefeated national champ under Bo Ryan] hosts Oshkosh on 1/19 and travels there on 2/2

Amherst and Williams tangle twice on 1/08 and 1/19.

Clark has a daunting schedule with 8 games against teams in the top 100.

St. Joe's [CT] seems to have the easiest path to an undefeated regular season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 02, 2022, 09:12:53 PM
Undefeated

Clark (MA)
Saint Joseph (CT)
Williams
Wis.-Platteville


Undefeated vs D3
none


Winless
Elms
Fredonia
Hartwick
Houghton
Keuka
Penn St.-Berks
Purchase
Rutgers-Camden


Winless vs D3
Buffalo St.
Finlandia
La Verne
Maranatha Baptist 
Me.-Presque Isle
MUW
Saint Vincent
Willamette


Amherst, DeSales, RPI, Yeshiva all drop from undefeated.  No other changes.

A few cancellations already for next weeks games
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on January 13, 2022, 08:21:06 AM
Visiting Amherst spoiled Williams perfect season last Saturday 65-73.  Clark lost to visiting 8-4 Emerson last night 59-72.

That leaves St. Joe's (CT) 9-0 which looks like it has a clear path to run through the regular season, and Wisconsin-Platteville, 15-0 which has twice been the undefeated national champions of DIII under Bo Ryan, although Platteville has three games against ranked teams remaining.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 14, 2022, 07:25:33 PM
Slipped past me last week but Finlandia ended its very long losing skid against D3 competition with an 88-86 win over Northland.   That's the Lions first D3 win since mid-December of the 2017-18 season a streak that reached 53 consecutives games.

Congrats to the Lions.



I'll up date these after the weekend probably.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: monsoon on January 14, 2022, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: sac on January 14, 2022, 07:25:33 PM
Slipped past me last week but Finlandia ended its very long losing skid against D3 competition with an 88-86 win over Northland.   That's the Lions first D3 win since mid-December of the 2017-18 season a streak that reached 53 consecutives games.

Congrats to the Lions.



I'll up date these after the weekend probably.

Congrats Finlandia!!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 14, 2022, 10:34:33 PM
This calls for a celebration. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c) Suomi ikuisesti!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2022, 11:01:48 PM
When I used to participate in the undefeated/winless contest, I recall than Finlandia was ALWAYS among the first picks for winless, but I hadn't realized things were to the point of a 53-games winless streak!  (Of course, the contest didn't distinguish winless against D3 vs. winless in all games.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 15, 2022, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2022, 11:01:48 PM
When I used to participate in the undefeated/winless contest, I recall than Finlandia was ALWAYS among the first picks for winless, but I hadn't realized things were to the point of a 53-games winless streak!  (Of course, the contest didn't distinguish winless against D3 vs. winless in all games.

Their overall winless streak hit 66 before a win over Moody Bible in December.  In between D3 wins, the Lions had recorded 3 total wins,  Bay College, Holy Family, and Moody Bible. 

Also of note, the Lions only have 5 remaining games with a possible 6th rescheduled on their 2022 schedule.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on January 16, 2022, 02:51:39 PM
Undefeated

Saint Joseph (CT)
Wis.-Platteville


Undefeated vs D3
none


Winless
Elms
Fredonia
Hartwick
Keuka
Penn St.-Berks
Rutgers-Camden


Winless vs D3
Buffalo St.
La Verne
Maranatha Baptist 
MUW


We drop Clark(Ma) and Williams from the undefeated leaving us just two and St. Joseph's Conn looks like the better bet to ace the season.


Dropping out of winless:  Houghton beat fellow winless Hartwick,  and Purchase picked up a W.   We're left with 6 and Hartwick and Keuka meet next Saturday.

Vs. D3:   Finlandia, Maine-Presque Isle, St. Vincent and Willamette all picked up their first D3 wins since last time.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on January 16, 2022, 03:33:52 PM
Fredonia and Buffalo State play twice on 1/28 and 2/12. so at least one will drop off the winless list.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on January 18, 2022, 09:59:22 PM
Fredonia wins it's first game for coach Sean Smiley, 76-72 over visiting Plattsburgh.  Kreem George led the Blue Devils with 19 and Jackson Brown added 18.

Kevin Tabb led all scorers with 22 as the Cardinals drop to 1-12 on the season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: thebear on January 19, 2022, 06:05:52 PM
Buffalo State won its first D3 game of the season, 88-76 over visiting Plattsburgh.

Philbert Weekes continued his strong play with 27 points and 14 rebounds.

Kevin Tabb led the visiting Cardinals with 16 points.

Congrats to Coach Ansari and his team, who have had a lot of adversity this season.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 20, 2022, 10:47:25 PM
Platteville lost to Oshkosh last night.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 03, 2022, 11:06:57 PM
WAY behind updating this

Undefeated

Saint Joseph (CT)


Undefeated vs D3
none


Winless

Hartwick
Penn St.-Berks



Winless vs D3

MUW



Platteville drops off the undefeated, meaning St. Joseph CT is the last remaining unbeaten team in D3.  As of tonight 17-0 .  A date with Yeshiva in a couple weeks looms.


Elms, Fredonia, Keuka, Rutgers-Camden all picked up at least one win since last time leaving us Penn St-Berks and Hartwick in search of a win.
There's always a chance of the shocking win but Berks best bet looks like Gallaudet the final week of the season.  For Hartwick they'll take some lumps for a couple games before they get 1 win Houghton and 2 win Keuka if either of those fail to produce a W, they'll have to do it on the seasons last day against Elmira


LaVerne, Maranatha Bapitist and Buffalo State all picked up wins vs D3 schools.  MUW only has 2 D3 opponents remaining with the possibility of 1 rescheduled game. 


Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 09, 2022, 09:50:21 PM
Hartwick beat Elmira tonight, the Hawks are off the naughty list!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 13, 2022, 12:36:42 PM
The Hartwick/Elmira result has not been added to d3hoops.com score data base, but it did happen.

PSU-Berks is the last remaining D3 team without a win.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2022, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: sac on February 13, 2022, 12:36:42 PM
The Hartwick/Elmira result has not been added to d3hoops.com score data base, but it did happen.

PSU-Berks is the last remaining D3 team without a win.

Very few Upstate NY teams input or update their schedules on our site, so it all comes down to whether we catch changes or not.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: sac on February 13, 2022, 11:44:24 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2022, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: sac on February 13, 2022, 12:36:42 PM
The Hartwick/Elmira result has not been added to d3hoops.com score data base, but it did happen.

PSU-Berks is the last remaining D3 team without a win.

Very few Upstate NY teams input or update their schedules on our site, so it all comes down to whether we catch changes or not.

I believe it was a postponed game at least once.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2022, 03:57:24 AM
It's a week into the season so why not. Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) 19 have yet to play and are on both lists.

Undefeated
133 teams

Undefeated vs D3
12 teams

Winless
119 teams

Winless vs D3
19 teams
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: smedindy on November 15, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2022, 03:57:24 AM
It's a week into the season so why not. Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) 19 have yet to play and are on both lists.

Undefeated
133 teams

Undefeated vs D3
12 teams

Winless
119 teams

Winless vs D3
19 teams

Thank you Ken Pomeroy!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: midrangepullup on December 12, 2022, 10:12:48 AM
We now have 15 Undefeated teams, and 7 Winless according to the NCAA stats site
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 12, 2022, 08:31:15 PM
Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) we have:
(first year provisional Lyon is on the list of 418 but have not played any D3 teams this year so are not included in the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists)

Undefeated (15)
Berry
Bethany Lutheran
Case Western Reserve
Catholic
Chris Newport
Concordia-Chicago
Kean
Keene St
Montclair St
NYU
St Joseph (CT)
Scranton
Utica
Western Connecticut
Williams

Undefeated vs D3 (0)
none

Winless (7)
Bethany
Fredonia
Hendrix
Martin Luther
Methodist
Muskingum
Union

Winless vs D3 (7)
Fontbonne
La Verne
Maranantha Baptist
Moravian
Pacific Lutheran
Shenandhoah
Westminster (MO)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 14, 2022, 07:47:52 PM
Christopher Newport lost 70-85 (https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2022-23/boxscores/20221213_n4tm.xml?view=boxscore) to Hampden-Sydney to fall from the unbeatens

Union beat Farmingdale St 74-71 (https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2022-23/boxscores/20221213_xtou.xml?view=boxscore) for their first win of the season


Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) we have:
(first year provisional Lyon is on the list of 418 but have not played any D3 teams this year so are not included in the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists)

Undefeated (14)
Berry (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Berry/men/2022-23/index)
Bethany Lutheran (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Bethany_Lutheran/men/2022-23/index)
Case Western Reserve (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Case_Western_Reserve/men/2022-23/index)
Catholic (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Catholic/men/2022-23/index)
Concordia-Chicago (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Concordia-Chicago/men/2022-23/index)
Kean (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Kean/men/2022-23/index)
Keene St (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Keene_State/men/2022-23/index)
Montclair St (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Montclair_State/men/2022-23/index)
NYU (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/New_York_University/men/2022-23/index)
St Joseph (CT) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/St._Joseph_-Conn.-/men/2022-23/index)
Scranton (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Scranton/men/2022-23/index)
Utica (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Utica/men/2022-23/index)
Western Connecticut (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Western_Connecticut/men/2022-23/index)
Williams (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Williams/men/2022-23/index)

Undefeated vs D3 (0)
none

Winless (6)
Bethany (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Bethany/men/2022-23/index)
Fredonia (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Fredonia/men/2022-23/index)
Hendrix (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Hendrix/men/2022-23/index)
Martin Luther (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Martin_Luther/men/2022-23/index)
Methodist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Methodist/men/2022-23/index)
Muskingum (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Muskingum/men/2022-23/index)

Winless vs D3 (7)
Fontbonne (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Fontbonne/men/2022-23/index) (3 wins)
La Verne (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/La_Verne/men/2022-23/index) (1 win)
Maranatha Baptist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Maranatha_Baptist/men/2022-23/index) (2 wins)
Moravian (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Moravian/men/2022-23/index) (1 win)
Pacific Lutheran (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Pacific_Lutheran/men/2022-23/index) (3 wins)
Shenandhoah (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Shenandoah/men/2022-23/index) (2 wins)
Westminster (MO) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Westminster_(Mo.)/men/2022-23/index) (1 win)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2022, 02:35:57 PM
Berry loses in OT to Roanoke 82-76
Bethany Lutheran loses at Buena Vista 98-85
Scranton loses at Lycoming 68-65
Utica loses to Cortland 85-78

La Verne beat Lake Forest 69-68 for their first D3 win
Moravian won at Keystone 75-69 for their first D3 win


Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) we have:
(first year provisional Lyon is on the list of 418 but have not played any D3 teams this year so are not included in the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists)

Undefeated (10)
Case Western Reserve (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Case_Western_Reserve/men/2022-23/index)
Catholic (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Catholic/men/2022-23/index)
Concordia-Chicago (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Concordia-Chicago/men/2022-23/index)
Kean (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Kean/men/2022-23/index)
Keene St (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Keene_State/men/2022-23/index)
Montclair St (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Montclair_State/men/2022-23/index)
NYU (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/New_York_University/men/2022-23/index)
St Joseph (CT) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/St._Joseph_-Conn.-/men/2022-23/index)
Western Connecticut (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Western_Connecticut/men/2022-23/index)
Williams (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Williams/men/2022-23/index)

Undefeated vs D3 (0)
none

Winless (6)
Bethany (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Bethany/men/2022-23/index)
Fredonia (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Fredonia/men/2022-23/index)
Hendrix (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Hendrix/men/2022-23/index)
Martin Luther (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Martin_Luther/men/2022-23/index)
Methodist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Methodist/men/2022-23/index)
Muskingum (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Muskingum/men/2022-23/index)

Winless vs D3 (5)
Fontbonne (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Fontbonne/men/2022-23/index) (4 wins)
Maranatha Baptist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Maranatha_Baptist/men/2022-23/index) (2 wins)
Pacific Lutheran (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Pacific_Lutheran/men/2022-23/index) (3 wins)
Shenandhoah (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Shenandoah/men/2022-23/index) (2 wins)
Westminster (MO) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Westminster_(Mo.)/men/2022-23/index) (1 win)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 29, 2022, 10:24:44 AM
Concordia (IL) dropped from the list of unbeatens yesterday, as the Cougars fell to Cal Lutheran, 79-61.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on December 29, 2022, 11:03:21 AM
Good chance that the undefeated list takes a hit before the New Year ...

Williams, two games, including at Clark
Keene v. Emerson, which has been competitive against strong competition
St. Joe's at WPI
NYU v. Hanover (neutral) and if they win, almost surely at Roanoke
Montclair v. Alvernia and at Desales
Western Conn also plays two games, but vs. weak competition

Then just after the New Year, Catholic plays at Mary Washington on Jan. 3.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 01, 2023, 12:09:07 AM
Now that it's 2023 (at least in the east) here's who's still on the lists through 2022

Concordia-Chicago loses @ Cal Lutheran 79-61
Montclair St loses @ DeSales 96-94 in 3OT

Hendrix beats Ozarks 83-80 for their first win of the year

Pacific Lutheran gets their first D3 win vs Penn St-Harrisburg 52-48


Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) we have:
(first year provisional Lyon is on the list of 418 but have not played any D3 teams this year so are not included in the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists)

Undefeated (8)
Case Western Reserve (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Case_Western_Reserve/men/2022-23/index) 9-0
Catholic (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Catholic/men/2022-23/index) 11-0
Kean (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Kean/men/2022-23/index) 12-0
Keene St (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Keene_State/men/2022-23/index) 11-0
NYU (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/New_York_University/men/2022-23/index) 11-0
St Joseph (CT) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/St._Joseph_-Conn.-/men/2022-23/index) 10-0
Western Connecticut (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Western_Connecticut/men/2022-23/index) 10-0
Williams (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Williams/men/2022-23/index) 11-0

Undefeated vs D3 (0)
none

Winless (5)
Bethany (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Bethany/men/2022-23/index) 0-12
Fredonia (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Fredonia/men/2022-23/index) 0-12
Martin Luther (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Martin_Luther/men/2022-23/index) 0-10
Methodist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Methodist/men/2022-23/index) 0-11
Muskingum (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Muskingum/men/2022-23/index) 0-11

Winless vs D3 (4)
Fontbonne (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Fontbonne/men/2022-23/index) (4 wins)
Maranatha Baptist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Maranatha_Baptist/men/2022-23/index) (2 wins)
Shenandhoah (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Shenandoah/men/2022-23/index) (2 wins)
Westminster (MO) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Westminster_(Mo.)/men/2022-23/index) (1 win)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2023, 06:22:20 AM
Westminster (MO) got their first D3 win of the year 75-72 in OT vs Blackburn

Shenandoah need 50 minutes to determine they would stay on the winless vs D3 list at Ferrum, losing 75-71 in double OT.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 07, 2023, 11:36:45 AM
W Connecticut (10-0) @ Keene St (12-0) at 3pm today. Someone will fall from the unbeatens.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2023, 11:59:49 AM
Williams took its first loss of the season last night, a two-point defeat at the hands of archrival Amherst made possible by a Mammoths three-point play with under seven seconds remaining.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: SpringSt7 on January 07, 2023, 04:42:21 PM
Brandeis 81
NYU 61

Welcome to conference play!
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 07, 2023, 06:35:07 PM
Keene St had a 15 point lead at halftime, WConn started the 2nd half on a 10-0 run and led by 8 with under 2 minutes left, Keene St had a comeback of their own to force OT before winning it 71-68.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 13, 2023, 09:07:44 PM
A lot has happened so far in 2023...

1st losses:
Case Western Reserve loses to Rochester
Catholic loses to Susquehanna
Kean loses to Rowan
NYU loses to Brandeis
W Connecticut loses to Keene St
Williams loses to Amherst

1st wins:
Bethany beat St Vincent
Martin Luther beat Maranatha Baptist
Muskingum beat Wilmington

1st D3 wins:
Fontbonne beat Principia
Shenandoah beat DeSales
Westminster (MO) beat Blackburn



Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) we have:
(first year provisional Lyon is on the list of 418 but have not played any D3 teams this year so are not included in the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists)

Undefeated (2)
Keene St (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Keene_State/men/2022-23/index) 14-0
St Joseph (CT) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/St._Joseph_-Conn.-/men/2022-23/index) 14-0

Undefeated vs D3 (0)
none

Winless (2)
Fredonia (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Fredonia/men/2022-23/index) 0-14
Methodist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Methodist/men/2022-23/index) 0-13

Winless vs D3 (1)
Maranatha Baptist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Maranatha_Baptist/men/2022-23/index) (2 wins)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: middhoops on January 17, 2023, 10:06:56 AM
Keene St. falls at home to Middlebury, 86-82.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 25, 2023, 10:58:40 PM
Keene St lost their first game to Middlebury 86-82
Fredonia won their first game at Buffalo St 71-70
Maranatha Baptist still has no D3 wins but got their 3rd win against Moody Bible 82-65


Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) we have:
(first year provisional Lyon is on the list of 418 but only play 1 D3 school)

Undefeated (1)
St Joseph (CT) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/St._Joseph_-Conn.-/men/2022-23/index) 18-0

Undefeated vs D3 (0)
none

Winless (1)
Methodist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Methodist/men/2022-23/index) 0-18

Winless vs D3 (1)
Maranatha Baptist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Maranatha_Baptist/men/2022-23/index) (3 wins)


According to Massey, the most likely games for teams to come off the lists are:
St Joseph vs Albertus Magnus 1/31 (16% to lose)
Methodist @ Brevard 2/11 (48% to win)
Maranatha Baptist vs Finlandia 2/18 (50% to win)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 02, 2023, 05:31:01 AM
The final team with a 0 in the win column is gone.
Methodist wins 73-72 at Pfeiffer


Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) we have:
(first year provisional Lyon is on the list of 418 but only play 1 D3 school)

Undefeated (1)
St Joseph (CT) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/St._Joseph_-Conn.-/men/2022-23/index) 21-0

Undefeated vs D3 (0)
none

Winless (0)
:)

Winless vs D3 (1)
Maranatha Baptist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Maranatha_Baptist/men/2022-23/index) (3 wins)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2023, 03:31:48 PM
The final 0 is gone. Albertus Magnus defeats St Joseph in the GNAC championship 83-79


Out of 418 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/17944/wl_streaks) we have:
(first year provisional Lyon is on the list of 418 but only play 1 D3 school)

Undefeated (0)
none

Undefeated vs D3 (0)
none

Winless (0)
none :)

Winless vs D3 (1)
Maranatha Baptist (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Maranatha_Baptist/men/2022-23/index) (4 wins)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 23, 2023, 01:10:46 AM
We've had a couple weeks of action, time to see who's happy and who's sad this Thanksgiving.
Two teams have yet to play a D3 team, Linfield (1-3) and Pacific Lutheran (2-0)



Out of 414 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/18225/wl_streaks) we have:


Undefeated (50)
6-0
Capital
Northwestern-St. Paul
Trinity (CT)
Va. Wesleyan
WPI
5-0
Arcadia
Central (IA)
Concordia-M'head
Curry
Drew
Dubuque
Geneva
Illinois Col.
Mount Union
Saint Vincent
Wis.-Superior
4-0
Albertus Magnus
Asbury
Clark (MA)
Crown (MN)
CWRU
Ferrum
Franklin & Marshall
Guilford
Hampden-Sydney
Hobart
Husson
John Carroll
Misericordia
Oswego St.
Penn St.-Behrend
Redlands
Shenandoah
St. Norbert
Trine
Tufts
Wesleyan (CT)
Wilkes
Wis.-Whitewater
3-0
Buena Vista
Calvin
Elmhurst
McMurry
Occidental
Pomona-Pitzer
SUNY Maritime
Union (NY)
2-0
Pacific Lutheran
Trinity (TX)
1-0
Hope


Undefeated vs D3 (4)
Cairn (1 loss)
Rhode Island Col. (1 loss)
Westfield St. (1 loss)
Linfield (3 losses)


Winless (35)
0-7
Valley Forge
0-6
Adrian
Brooklyn
Gallaudet
Lebanon Valley
Southwestern (TX)
0-5
Centenary (NJ)
Earlham
Kenyon
Keystone
Lehman
Martin Luther
Millsaps
Mt. St. Joseph
Northland
VTSU Lyndon
0-4
Buffalo St.
Hartwick
Lawrence
Middlebury
Mitchell
Old Westbury
Pitt.-Greensburg
Roger Williams
Rosemont
UMass Dartmouth
Warren Wilson
0-3
Concordia Wisconsin
East Tex. Baptist
Edgewood
Greensboro
Marian (WI)
Notre Dame (MD)
Spalding
0-1
La Verne


Winless vs D3 (10)
Caltech (1 win)
Defiance (1 win)
Lewis & Clark (1 win)
Linfield (1 win)
Maranatha Baptist (1 win)
Me.-Presque Isle (1 win)
Pacific (OR) (2 wins)
Pacific Lutheran (2 wins)
Principia (1 win)
Sewanee (1 win)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: D3Navy on November 29, 2023, 12:03:07 PM
Trinity (TX) now 5-0 in pretty fine fashion.  Voters should take a look.
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: ADL70 on November 30, 2023, 12:43:49 PM
Now 5-0 CWRU beat then 6-0 Capital last night 94-87
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: nescac1 on November 30, 2023, 09:25:42 PM
Tufts knocks two off the list this week, WPI and Clark, and stays undefeated themselves ...
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2023, 02:05:34 PM
Just over a month into the season and the lists are dwindling.
Out of 414 teams listed on NCAA Stats (https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/18225/wl_streaks) we have:


Undefeated (18)
11-0
Trinity (CT) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Trinity_(Conn.)/Men/2023-24/index)
10-0
Shenandoah (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Shenandoah/Men/2023-24/index)
Tufts (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Tufts/Men/2023-24/index)
9-0
Drew (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Drew/Men/2023-24/index)
Illinois College (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Illinois_College/Men/2023-24/index)
St Vincent (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/St._Vincent/Men/2023-24/index)
8-0
Elmhurst (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Elmhurst/Men/2023-24/index)
Guilford (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Guilford/Men/2023-24/index)
Pomona-Pitzer (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Pomona-Pitzer/Men/2023-24/index)
7-0
Calvin (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Calvin/Men/2023-24/index)
Case Western Reserve (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Case_Western_Reserve/Men/2023-24/index)
Dubuque (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Dubuque/Men/2023-24/index)
Hobart (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Hobart/Men/2023-24/index)
John Carroll (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/John_Carroll/Men/2023-24/index)
Oswego St (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Oswego_State/Men/2023-24/index)
Trine (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Trine/Men/2023-24/index)
Trinity (TX) (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Trinity_(Texas)/Men/2023-24/index)
5-0
Occidental (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Occidental/Men/2023-24/index)


Undefeated vs D3 (1)
Asbury (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Asbury/Men/2023-24/index) (2 losses)


Winless (9)
0-10
VTSU Lyndon (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/NVU-Lyndon/Men/2023-24/index)
0-9
Lawrence (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Lawrence/Men/2023-24/index)
Northland (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Northland/Men/2023-24/index)
Southwestern (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Southwestern/Men/2023-24/index)
0-8
Adrian (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Adrian/Men/2023-24/index)
Earlham (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Earlham/Men/2023-24/index)
Marian (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Marian/Men/2023-24/index)
Old Westbury (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/SUNY-Old_Westbury/Men/2023-24/index)
0-7
Buffalo St (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Buffalo_State/Men/2023-24/index)


Winless vs D3 (6)
Caltech (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Caltech/Men/2023-24/index) (1 win)
Defiance (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Defiance/Men/2023-24/index) (1 win)
Gallaudet (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Gallaudet/Men/2023-24/index) (1 win)
Greensboro (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Greensboro/Men/2023-24/index) (3 wins)
Linfield (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Linfield/Men/2023-24/index) (4 wins)
Pacific (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Pacific/Men/2023-24/index) (3 wins)
Title: Re: The Undefeated and the Winless
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 11, 2023, 06:02:14 AM
Here's a selection of upcoming games of interest for those on the lists

Guilford @ Shenandoah 12/20 Unbeatens
Trine @ Elmhurst 12/20 Unbeatens
CWRU vs Oswego St 12/28 (Las Vegas) Unbeatens
Pomona-Pitzer vs Trinity (TX) 12/29 (Las Vegas) Unbeatens
Pomona-Pitzer vs Oswego St 12/30 (Las Vegas) Unbeatens
Marian @ Lawrence 12/30 Winless
Earlham @ Defiance 12/30 Winless vs 'D3 Winless'

Martin Luther (1-7) @ Lawrence (0-9) 12/15
Hiram (1-8) @ Adrian (0-7) 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (6-1) @ John Carroll (7-0) 12/19
Clark (8-1) vs Trinity (TX) (7-0) 12/28 (Las Vegas)
Clark (8-1) vs CWRU (7-0) 12/29 (Las Vegas)

CWRU @ Earlham 12/17 Unbeaten vs Winless