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Title: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: DIIISuperfan on February 20, 2013, 02:38:43 PM
Why isn't Hilbert getting any love? 20-5 on the year and AMCC Regular season champs and not a mention in any rankings? Yeah the SOS is low but 20 wins is 20 wins...
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2013, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: DIIISuperfan on February 20, 2013, 02:38:43 PM
Why isn't Hilbert getting any love? 20-5 on the year and AMCC Regular season champs and not a mention in any rankings? Yeah the SOS is low but 20 wins is 20 wins...

Number of wins isn't one of the selection criteria. If you look at the NCAA data sheet for the East you'll see why:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2013/02/20/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-3-2013/

.450 is not just "low" but very low, 51 points lower than anyone ranked in the East.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Bengalsrule on February 21, 2013, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: DIIISuperfan on February 20, 2013, 02:38:43 PM
Why isn't Hilbert getting any love? 20-5 on the year and AMCC Regular season champs and not a mention in any rankings? Yeah the SOS is low but 20 wins is 20 wins...

#1 Let me be the first 1 to welcome you to these boards!!

#2 Listen to Pat Coleman! He knows this stuff!!! Trust me!!!
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: DIIISuperfan on February 21, 2013, 01:37:50 PM
Thanks, Pat for the welcome and the clarification of the SOS, but I still feel that a team should get some credit for the body of work that they have presented.  Hilbert beat LaRoche at LaRoche ( I think a quality win), they beat Penn-State Behrend, also a quality win and they beat Keystone at Keystone who has wins against then #9 Scranton on the road and Cabrini.  That should indicate that the "Hawks" are playing some quality basketball. I know wins is a small criteria in the calculation, but I don't think the SOS is the equivalent of the difference of 6 less victories.  I know it is a classic debate.  Maybe Hilbert will make the NCAA's and then they will have to be recognized...
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2013, 03:35:04 PM
Well, that definition of quality win is pretty loose. I mean, Behrend has had some good teams but this year they are 18-8 and you left out the fact that they played twice, one of which Hilbert lost. Behrend is not regionally ranked.

Yes, they beat Keystone, but Keystone is 18-9. Beating Keystone isn't particularly unique either. La Roche is 16-9.

Hilbert can't help its conference schedule but Fredonia and Alfred have each had one winning season in four years now, Cazenovia and Keuka are in the NEAC, which was bad when Hilbert was in the league but is even worse now that the best teams have left for other conferences. Elmira hasn't even won as many as seven games in years. I get that Hilbert is kind of distant from other schools but

Quote from: DIIISuperfan on February 21, 2013, 01:37:50 PMI know wins is a small criteria in the calculation, but I don't think the SOS is the equivalent of the difference of 6 less victories.

Nobody in the East regional rankings has six fewer victories than Hilbert. Not sure what you're trying to say with that.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: DIIISuperfan on February 21, 2013, 06:41:13 PM
My bad Pat, I was looking at the second ranking with Ithaca at 14 wins...sorry...
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 22, 2013, 12:05:51 PM
I really think Plattsburgh has Developed a good resume for a NCAA bid if they dont win their conference tournament. they have 2 kinda bad losses to New Paltz and Buffalo State but have beat Oswego twice, Geneseo, Cortland. i dont know much about how the NCAA picks there At Large teams though.. Hobart i think definetly has a shot also at an At Large if they were to lose to RPI tommorow. but would burst some other bubbles.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on January 11, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
We need to get this topic back going!!! Regional Rankings are important, and would be good to talk about.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2015, 01:29:46 PM
Well we won't see any rankings for several more weeks... :)
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on January 11, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
We can still have some predictions until they do actually come out!
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on January 13, 2015, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: dcahill44 on January 11, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
We need to get this topic back going!!! Regional Rankings are important, and would be good to talk about.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2015, 01:29:46 PM
Well we won't see any rankings for several more weeks... :)
Quote from: dcahill44 on January 11, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
We can still have some predictions until they do actually come out!

Well, a lot can happen between now and then but I believe Plattsburgh State, St John Fisher, and Oswego State, will be at the top of the rankings, not necessarily in that order.

The UAA
NYU currently has a 9-3 record but I can easily see them with 3 or 4 more losses by the time the first set of rankings comes out. They haven't really beat anybody and 7 of those 9 wins have come against teams with a losing record. They may not even be in the rankings when they come out. Rochester is having a down year and will not be a factor in the rankings.

The Liberty League
Clarkson with a 9-2 record may be near the top depending on what they do in the Liberty League over the next few weeks. Their strength of schedule is very poor and that could hold them back. Massey has it at 343 out of 416 but they do have a couple of decent wins over Oswego and Hobart. They have a bad loss as well to Elmira.

Skidmore, I believe, is the best team in the Liberty League but they already have 5 losses. At least all their 5 losses have come against quality teams with winning records. They will be ranked ahead of teams with better overall records because of their solid SOS but they won't be ranked in the top 3 spots.

Everyone else on the Liberty League already has 5 or more losses. They won't even make the Regional Rankings unless they go on a heck of a winning streak and the schools above them falter badly.


The Empire 8
The Empire 8 is in the same boat as the Liberty League. St. John Fisher is 12-2 and if the rankings were released today they would probably be in first place. Yet 10 of their 12 wins have come against teams with losing records. Their SOS is also very poor, currently 309 out of 416. Their 2 losses have come against Geneseo and Medaille both teams with winning records. Fisher could run the table and finish at 23-2 and their SOS would actually get worse than it is now.

No one else in the Empire 8 is in good shape to be regionally ranked. Alfred has a 9-4 record and Hartwick is 8-5. Everybody else has at least 7 losses already.


The SUNYAC
Oswego and Plattsburgh both have 8-3 records and will battle this weekend for the top spot in the YAC. Oswego could easily be 10-1 as they have 2 losses where they clearly didn't play well. Of the top 6 teams n the conference standings, Plattsburgh has played the strongest schedule and none of their 3 losses were bad losses. Cortland has an 8-2 record but has faltered after an 8-0 start and I don't think they will end up as one of the top 3 teams in the SUNYAC. Geneseo hasn't been as good as advertised and their 6-4 record includes at least 2 games and possibly 3 that they should have won. I still expect them to challenge for the top spot in the YAC.

NEAC
The Lancaster Bible Chargers leads this conference with a 9-1 record. Rarely does the top team in this conference make the regional rankings because of the SOS. Lancaster has yet to beat a D3 team with a winning record and the only D3 team they played that had a winning record was Messiah (9-5) and they beat the Chargers by 26 points. No one from the NEAC will be ranked this year.

Last year there were 2 pool C bids awarded to the East Region. Both of those went to SUNYAC teams...Plattsburgh and Geneseo. Along with the automatic bid that Brockport earned it marked the first time in recent memory that the YAC got 3 teams into the Tournament.

This year the East Region may not get two at large bids. They may not get any. As it stands right now I think the SUNYAC might get 2 bids with the other conferences only getting the automatic bid. There seems to be more parity in the SUNYAC this year, than last year when there were 3 very good teams, and then a substantial drop off to the next group. This year anyone of the top 8 teams can probably beat anybody. I don't see the YAC getting 3 teams in this year.

This is all predicated on the top team in the regular season winning the conference tournament of course. However, if St John Fisher, for example, runs the table to finish 23-2 and loses in the E8 tournament then they will probably get a pool C bid. Likewise, if one of the SUNYAC teams has a very good finish, wins the regular season and loses in the league tournament, they will probably get a pool C bid. Clarkson could also state a case for that occurrence to take place. But if all 3 regular season champions get upset in their league tournaments, I think one of those regular season champs will be sitting out this year's Big Dance.       
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: with age came? on January 21, 2015, 11:34:45 PM
Be interested to see what 2 serious contributors like dcahill and Magicman say for the East rankings.  I'll throw out my "unsophisticated" top five: 1) Plattsburgh 2) Skidmore 3) Oswego 4) Clarkson 5) NYU  - now let's hear from the experts?? ;D
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: with age came? on January 21, 2015, 11:37:56 PM
Suppose I should have put St John Fisher in there - but I never liked those guys .... ;) but seriously put them at Number 2 because I never liked those guys.... ;D
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on January 22, 2015, 10:18:35 AM
I think without any details right now i would have 1. Plattsburgh State, 2. St John Fisher, 3. Oswego State, 4. Cortland State, 5. Skidmore, 6. Clarkson, or NYU. Those are the for sure top 7 right now i would say. NYU has a chance to climb into this ranking if they beat some of the good UAA teams. NYU has been known to be in the mix and then lose a bunch of games and be out of the ranking. Still a couple weeks away but good to look at stuff right now.   
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on January 22, 2015, 12:33:54 PM
Hey dcahill,

Where did your post go that was touting Hartwick, Union and several other teams? No fair deleting a post about teams that have fared poorly since your last post, which suggested they should make the regional rankings. ;D 
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
FYI - NYU just made a big statement this weekend. I plan to have them in my Top 25 as a result. They are phenomenal (which I can't believe I am saying) with the transfer Harris making a huge impact.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on January 25, 2015, 07:03:20 PM
Saw that Dave. Thanks for info.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on January 25, 2015, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
FYI - NYU just made a big statement this weekend. I plan to have them in my Top 25 as a result. They are phenomenal (which I can't believe I am saying) with the transfer Harris making a huge impact.

I called Coach Curle at Plattsburgh State earlier today before I spotted your post. I told him that Plattsburgh State had better get their act together and win the automatic SUNYAC bid because their chances of getting a Pool C bid may have just went out the window because of the weekend victories that NYU just posted.

I looked at those wins against Washington U, then Chicago, and wondered how a team that lost to Union and Sage College could beat 2 teams in the Top 25. Your info about the transfer to NYU of Hakeem Harris answered my question. Many times when you can get a player that was recruited by a DI school it makes an impact. In this case it has made a big difference for the Violets, when Hakeem joined the team after the Christmas break. In only 10 games played, Harris has made 31 three pointers, which is 10 more than anyone else on the team who has played the full season. He's the 2nd leading scorer on the team with a 14.5 ppg average, but if you discount his first 3 games where he got very little playing time and only scored a total of 13 points in those 3 games, then his ppg goes up to 18.5 over the last 7 games. That would be tops on the team and he still hasn't started a single game.

I now hope they will win the UAA conference title so they won't be a factor in determining which East Region team (if any) will get a Pool C bid. ;D     
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: with age came? on January 30, 2015, 01:38:16 AM
Alright you experts lets have it:  Unsophisticated says 1) St John Fisher - very painful to print that 2) NYU - even more painful to rank a team with a loss to Union that high - but "the transfer" must be sensational. 3) Plattsburgh 4) Skidmore - Bart game was a fluke 5) Clarkson 6) Oswego - still dwelling on their home loss to my Golden Knights 7) Buff State - just to make Bengalsrule happy-hehe ;) 8) Hilbert - they are close to me and they seem to be winning games??  Who knew?? 9) Pick a YAC team 10) Pick another YAC team but just don't say Fredonia  ;D
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 01, 2015, 04:17:10 PM
I would say the top 5 in no order right now are pretty solidified for the first regional ranking. 1. St John Fisher
2. NYU
3. Plattsburgh State
4. Clarkson
5. Oswego

Then I think Cortland could very well sneak in at the six spot or maybe even into the top 5, Skidmore, Hobart are in the mix and could sneak in.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Bengalsrule on February 02, 2015, 01:50:30 AM
Quote from: with age came? on January 30, 2015, 01:38:16 AM
Alright you experts lets have it:  Unsophisticated says 1) St John Fisher - very painful to print that 2) NYU - even more painful to rank a team with a loss to Union that high - but "the transfer" must be sensational. 3) Plattsburgh 4) Skidmore - Bart game was a fluke 5) Clarkson 6) Oswego - still dwelling on their home loss to my Golden Knights 7) Buff State - just to make Bengalsrule happy-hehe ;) 8) Hilbert - they are close to me and they seem to be winning games??  Who knew?? 9) Pick a YAC team 10) Pick another YAC team but just don't say Fredonia  ;D


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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Bengalsrule on February 03, 2015, 03:40:35 PM
St John Fisher cracks the Top 25 (at #24). No other team ranked, other than NYU (27th). I predict,  in the rough and tumble SUNYAC, that the eventual regular season winner will have at least 4 losses. Right now 1st to 8th place are separated by games (8-2 vs 5-5). I can't ever remember the league being this competitive. 3 teams tied for 3rd at 6-4. I'm hoping that my beloved BENGALS will continue to win (7-1 last 8 games).
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 04, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Oswego loss hurts them and I think it could quite possibly shift them out of the first regional ranking. I think now the top 3 solidified unless a team loses two this weekend. Fisher, Plattsburgh, NYU in that order then Skidmore, Clarkson, Hobart, Cortland, Oswego in no order currently because I think SOS is going to be key after talking to some people. I think Skidmore could be a sleeper in this first ranking because I think there SOS is good and then I would have Clarkson and Hobart in the LL behind Skidmore. Cortland has some good wins and I think they are next in line to get into this ranking. Guess we will see next week.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Bengalsrule on February 09, 2015, 10:08:39 AM
After my beloved Bengals swept Oswego and Cortland this weekend,  I sure am hoping that they get a little more love from my "east" pollsters here.  Like NYU picking up Harris, my Bengals have benefited greatly from the addition of Chris Cartwright after Xmas.  He is top 3 in Sunyac in scoring, assists, 3 Ptrs per game, assist to turnover ratio and free throw %.  Can't ever remember a player like that in recent memory. 8-1 over the last 9 games is no fluke with Chris, Rod Epps, Chris Thompson, a healthy Jordan Glover and a healthy Lovell Smith along with Derrick Fernandez and Larry Rivers.

2 weeks left in the regular season.  Coming downtown the wire.  I expect the Sunyac to be a multiple bid league again this year.  Any of the top 6  teams can still clinch the regular season title!

Go Sunyac

Go Bengals
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 10, 2015, 02:50:22 PM
Regional Ranking final predictions
1. St John Fisher 18-2
2. Plattsburgh 14-6
3. Hobart 15-6
4. Clarkson 17-4
5. NYU 14-6
6. Skidmore 12-7

NYU looked like a team who could be in that 2nd or 3rd spots but have had 2 losses since then with 2 of them to Rochester who looks likes its getting it together. A ton of quality wins and a high SOS. Hobart I would say is arguably the best team in the region right now and is playing very well. Coach Sweeney is doing a great job. Plattsburgh with a pretty good SOS and a good nonconference schedule and tied for 1st place in the SUNYAC. Clarkson who has a great record is deserving of a ranking. I think Skidmore has done a good job challenging themselves in the nonconference but hasn't one enough games to be in that top 3. SOS is going to be HUGE throughout the ranking. St John Fisher did not play a tough nonconference schedule and hasn't beaten anybody who is really good. Hartwick and Alfred are okay wins but they have been rolling through the conference and beat everybody by double digits. I think this is a down year in the East.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Bengalsrule on February 10, 2015, 04:24:53 PM
Quote from: dcahill44 on February 10, 2015, 02:50:22 PM
Regional Ranking final predictions
1. St John Fisher 18-2
2. Plattsburgh 14-6
3. Hobart 15-6
4. Clarkson 17-4
5. NYU 14-6
6. Skidmore 12-7

NYU looked like a team who could be in that 2nd or 3rd spots but have had 2 losses since then with 2 of them to Rochester who looks likes its getting it together. A ton of quality wins and a high SOS. Hobart I would say is arguably the best team in the region right now and is playing very well. Coach Sweeney is doing a great job. Plattsburgh with a pretty good SOS and a good nonconference schedule and tied for 1st place in the SUNYAC. Clarkson who has a great record is deserving of a ranking. I think Skidmore has done a good job challenging themselves in the nonconference but hasn't one enough games to be in that top 3. SOS is going to be HUGE throughout the ranking. St John Fisher did not play a tough nonconference schedule and hasn't beaten anybody who is really good. Hartwick and Alfred are okay wins but they have been rolling through the conference and beat everybody by double digits. I think this is a down year in the East.

Wow...very little love for the SUNYAC!!!! Liberty league is ranked 20th in Massey and Sunyac 23rd (so pretty much even there). I gotta believe that more than 1 team from the "yac will be ranked this week. I'm thinking 3 myself. Bengals strength of schedule is nearly twice as good as Clarksons (152 vs 279). Keep in mind that the Bengals , since Chris Cartwright has joined the BENGALS,  are 13-3 since Xmas. That's the best "Post Xmas" record of any SUNYAC team.  in fact only 1 other team, I believe,in the ENTIRE EAST can boast of a better post Xmas record  than 13-3 ( and that would be St John Fisher). Hopefully the committee looks at the hottest teams now as opposed to just overall record. After all you need to be the best in Feb and March to win. Not November and December.

Darn Dcahill....And I was just starting to like you!!   ;)  ( just joking   :))
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 11, 2015, 07:53:38 AM
Regional Rankings due out today.

I'm thinking they look like this..
1. St. John Fisher
2. NYU
3. Plattsburgh
4. Hobart
5. Clarkson
6. Skidmore

I'm not saying I would rank these teams in that order but think the regional committee will.

The guy with the most time and correct information invested in the Regional Rankings has put out his rankings for all the regions and his updated figures look like this. I like these better. ;D

1.   Plattsburgh State
2.   St. John Fisher
3.   Skidmore
4.   Clarkson
5.   Hobart
6.   NYU
7.   Buffalo State
8.   Cortland State
9.   Hartwick
10. Geneseo State
11. Lancaster Bible
12. Oswego State
13. Oneonta State
14. Ithaca
15. Rochester
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 11, 2015, 09:20:15 AM
We will see dont see another SUNYAC in this ranking. Maybe Oswego next week if they win 2 this weekend or Cortland next week.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 11, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
The other possibility  for the Regional Rankings would be this order:

1. St John Fisher
2. Hobart
3. Plattsburgh State
4. Clarkson
5. NYU
6. Skidmore.

Not a big fan of this order because Clarkson is being rewarded for their terrible non-conference schedule. If Clarkson played the non-conference schedule that Skidmore played they would probably have at least another 5 losses. Replace these teams that Clarkson played... St. Joseph's (Vt). Morrisville State, SUNY-Canton, Wells, and Cazenovia with these teams that Skidmore played... Plattsburgh, Middlebury, Williams, Babson, Concordia (Texas), Ithaca and Westfield State.
Clarkson's record of 17-4, the main reason they made the regional rankings, would be somewhere around 12-9 or 13-8. I can't blame them for the Morrisville game since the Mustangs were a decent team the past few years and lost a ton of talent from last year's team but the other schools are not from strong conferences and usually don't compete well with the Liberty League. Skidmore played a stronger schedule and already beat Clarkson on the road by 17 points. I have to rank
Skidmore over them but that gaudy record will probably find Clarkson ahead of Skidmore.   
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 11, 2015, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: dcahill44 on February 11, 2015, 09:20:15 AM
We will see dont see another SUNYAC in this ranking. Maybe Oswego next week if they win 2 this weekend or Cortland next week.

Strange that you say that my friend. The only person that had 2 SUNYAC teams in the Top 6 recently, was this guy on Feb.1st, and he tried to sneak a 3rd SUNYAC team in there as well. ;D

Quote from: dcahill44 on February 01, 2015, 04:17:10 PM
I would say the top 5 in no order right now are pretty solidified for the first regional ranking.
1. St John Fisher
2. NYU
3. Plattsburgh State
4. Clarkson
5. Oswego

Then I think Cortland could very well sneak in at the six spot or maybe even into the top 5, Skidmore, Hobart are in the mix and could sneak in.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:32:31 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 11, 2015, 03:27:15 PM
Before the SOS numbers came out. Magicman also see the key words RIGHT NOW. Which was a week and half ago.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 11, 2015, 03:38:57 PM
With the first ranking out I'm slightly surprised that Hobart has jumped Plattsburgh but I was almost dead on.  :) Interested to see what happens with the weeks to come.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2015, 11:38:32 PM
FYI - Regionally rankings will come out on Thursday next week due to the planned stat computer outage (upgrade) at the NCAA headquarters this weekend. Thus all committee calls pushed back a day and as a result rankings will be posted Thursday this week. Game info still through Sunday's games.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2015, 11:56:29 AM
To follow up... the regional rankings will still be released on Thursday this week despite the NCAA stat computers coming back online a day earlier than expected this weekend.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Bengalsrule on February 16, 2015, 02:13:42 PM
Thanks Dave!!!
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Bengalsrule on February 18, 2015, 02:35:50 PM
Can't wait to see the regional rankings tomorrow. Gotta believe that at least another Sunyac team moves in after Hobart lost to Vassar (7-16 record) and Clarkson lost to Union (10-13).
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 18, 2015, 04:59:34 PM
Same teams in a similar order this week... going to be Fisher, Plattsburgh, NYU, Hobart, Skidmore, Clarkson. SUNYAC teams still on outside looking in. SUNYAC looking like a 1 bid league unless Plattsburgh gets upset in conference tournament. If Clarkson keeps winning I think they will be on the bubble and not get into the NCAA Tournament if they get upset in the Liberty League. Last night proves that Fisher is vulnerable in the Empire 8. Going to be an interesting conference tournament in the E8.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 18, 2015, 10:05:48 PM
Regional Rankings for the East Region that come out tomorrow should look something like this.

1. St John Fisher

2. Plattsburgh State

3. NYU

4. Skidmore

5. Hobart

6. Clarkson

Hobart and Clarkson should drop down since they both lost last week but probably won't fall out of the rankings. No SUNYAC team is streaking at the right time. Still some tough games left for everyone. More movement possible next week.

This was last week's rankings:

1. St John Fisher

2. Hobart

3. Plattsburgh State

4. Clarkson

5. NYU

6. Skidmore
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 18, 2015, 11:29:55 PM
Regional Rankings week 2
1. St John Fisher
2. Plattsburgh
3. NYU
4. Hobart
5. Skidmore
6. Clarkson
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2015, 10:42:17 AM
Week 2's regional rankings made an early appearance today: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630 (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630)
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 23, 2015, 06:42:16 PM
Lots of losses this past week among the 6 teams that were regionally ranked. Here's a rundown on the teams that were ranked last week.

NYU 16-8 overall  7-6 UAA conference  Regional Ranking last week #3
Nobody shot themselves in the foot more than NYU. With 2 losses over the weekend they took themselves right out of the picture for any chance of winning the automatic bid that the UAA regular season champion gets. They went from a tie for 1st place into sole possession of 4th place. Their only hope of an NCAA bid would be as a pool C team and that's not going to happen because they should fall out of 3rd place in the regional rankings and into, at best, 5th place if that high. Any team that has losses against Union and Sage probably shouldn't have been ranked in the first place. NYU hasn't beaten a single team in New York State. The only team they beat in the East Region is the 12-13 Stevens Ducks and they're in New Jersey. The Violets went 9-2 in their non-conference schedule. 6 of the teams they beat had losing records that totaled a combined 51-101. Not exactly stellar competition. Even the UAA was not that strong this year, despite having teams ranked all year, they suffered a lot of losses that will most likely result in only 2 teams from that conference getting into the NCAA's despite having an advantage over every D3 team in the country by having conference teams in 5 different regions.

St. John Fisher 21-4 overall 14-2 E8 conference  Regional Ranking last week #1
The Cardinals suffered their first 2 losses in the Empire 8 League in the past week as they dropped 2 of 3 games since the last rankings came out. Their first setback was a 60-59 loss to Alfred, a team the Cardinals beat by 31 points a month ago, and the 2nd loss was to Stevens by a 60-54 score, another team that Fisher had beaten by double figures earlier in the year. In fact the Cardinals were only 1 second away from 3 consecutive losses as their only win was a 1 point 69-68 buzzer beating win over Hartwick that came in between the 2 losses to Alfred and Stevens. Hartwick had scored with 5 seconds left in the game to take a 68-67 lead but Fisher's Chaz Lott, got a great feed and scored on a layup as the horn went off ending the game. That will probably be enough to keep the Cardinals ranked in the top spot in the East Region but the question remains did the Cardinals peak too early? They seem more vulnerable now than at any point in the season. Crazy things seem to happen in the E8 playoffs. And Alfred, Hartwick and Ithaca aren't going anywhere unless they can win the E8's automatic bid. None of them have been regionally ranked and despite an 18-7 record by the Saxons, their strength of schedule won't allow them to leapfrog over the teams that are already ahead of them.

Plattsburgh State 18-7 overall 13-5 SUNYAC conference  Regional Ranking last week #2
These Cardinals would sure like to replay the last 2 minutes of the game against Geneseo on Saturday. With Fisher losing twice, a pair of wins by Plattsburgh could have been just the ticket to boost them ahead of the Pittsford Cardinals and into the top spot of the East region. After beating Brockport by a 60-45 score on Friday evening to secure the top spot in the SUNYAC conference and the right to host the SUNYAC's Final Four, Plattsburgh was looking for a season sweep of Geneseo, a team that already owned a 63-55 victory over St. John Fisher on a neutral court back in December. Geneseo and 2 other SUNYAC teams also owned wins over Medaille, the only other team to beat Fisher heading into this past week. Plattsburgh had handled Geneseo down there by a 68-51 score a month ago, but the Knights were playing to get the 2nd seed and the bye that comes with it to advance automatically into this weekend's semifinals. It was an outstanding game that really came down to a questionable travelling call with 2:08 to play. Plattsburgh had stolen the ball after a 6-0 run to close to within a single point at 72-71 and had the opportunity to take the lead for the first time since early in the first half. As the Plattsburgh player made his move to drive to the basket he took several dribbles and as he's dribbling the ball is called for a travel violation. Geneseo came down and scored to go up by 3 points. Plattsburgh missed a three pointer and then Geneseo hit a three pointer that bounced 6 feet up in the air after hitting the back of the rim came down hit both sides of the rim and finally dropped through. That was the killer and the Knights held on for an 80-73 win. Plattsburgh should still remain in the 2nd spot of the regional rankings with their 1-1 week.

Skidmore 17-7 overall 14-2 LL conf Regional Ranking last week #5
Skidmore clinched the top seed in the LL this past weekend and after their 2-0 week that should be enough to push them ahead of Hobart into the 3rd spot. The Thoroughbreds won their final 6 games of the season to break out of a 3 way tie for the lead and capture the regular season crown. They will host RIT in the semifinals on Wednesday Feb 25th at 8:00 PM.

Hobart 18-7 overall 13-3 LL conf Regional Ranking last week #4
The Statesmen didn't have any slipups last week as they won both games they played, but barely got by RIT 53-51. It was the loss to bottom feeder, Vassar 65-63, 9 days ago that prevented Hobart from winning the regular season and claiming the top seed. That still smarts and should be enough to keep them behind Skidmore. They will host Clarkson in a semifinal game on Wednesday night at 7:00 PM.

Clarkson 19-6 overall 12-4 LL conf Regional Ranking last week #6
The Golden Knights went 1-1 last week but the Union loss ten days ago was the one that really hurt. With a win over Skidmore yesterday they were looking at the 2nd seed and a home playoff game since they would have owned the tiebreaker over Skidmore, who would have been relegated to 3rd place. But the loss to Union effectively took them out of contention for the top seed. That one may come back to haunt them. They will probably stay in the 6th spot unless the committee sees fit to put them ahead of NYU.

Hard to see any other teams crack the rankings. Geneseo had they won that game against Oswego last Tuesday would have been a likely suspect, as they would have had an 8 game winning streak, tied Plattsburgh with a 13-5 SUNYAC record and had a 17-8 overall mark. And as I mentioned above Alfred has the best record of a team not currently ranked. I just think their SOS won't let them get in the door. Cortland is 17-8 but couldn't make the SUNYAC playoffs.                                     
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 24, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
Regional Rankings week 3
1. St John Fisher
2. Skidmore
3. Plattsburgh
4. Hobart
5. NYU
6. Clarkson

Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 25, 2015, 12:13:02 AM
Quote from: dcahill44 on February 24, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
Regional Rankings week 3
1. St John Fisher
2. Skidmore
3. Plattsburgh
4. Hobart
5. NYU
6. Clarkson

I'm afraid when the 3rd set of Regional Rankings are released later today that they will probably be in the order you have listed them. As I stated in my post of Monday I had all of those teams in that order except I would rank Plattsburgh over Skidmore because Plattsburgh defeated the Thoroughbreds on Skidmore's home court. Plattsburgh also has a slightly better record than Skidmore. That's enough for me to put them in 2nd and Skidmore in 3rd. Unfortunately because Plattsburgh went 1-1 for the week and Skidmore went 2-0 I expect the regional committee to do the wrong thing and put Skidmore 2nd and Plattsburgh 3rd. ::)   
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 12:53:58 AM
magicman - as much as you have some points... I think you are ignoring some things that are crucial:

Skidmore:     17-7 (.708)   .553 SOS   2-4 vRRO
Plattsburgh   18-7 (.720)   .526 SOS   1-0 vRRO

Here's the thing... Plattsburgh's 1-0 vRRO is the h2h win over Skidmore. If you remove that game from the vRRO... Skidmore is now 2-3 and Plattsburgh is 0-0 (because they aren't going to consider the game twice). And there is no common opponents to look at.

I am not sure when the WL is that close, but the SOS is as close to the .030 as you can get... plus the vRRO still favors Skidmore (on the quick glance, they played five teams to Plattsburgh's none - outside of the h2h).. I am not sure how you can put Plattsburgh ahead of Skidmore based on primarily the h2h.

Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 25, 2015, 06:06:35 AM
I follow your logic, Dave. I just think that head to head win by Plattsburgh is the deciding factor for me. As long as we are talking about ifs, consider this. Skidmore's 2-4 record vRRO has 4 games against the Liberty League's #2 seed Hobart and the LL's #3 seed Clarkson in which they went 2-2. Outside their league they were 0-2 vRRO. Here's the if...if the #2 seed in the SUNYAC, Geneseo, and the 3# seed in the SUNYAC, Oswego, were regionally ranked in place of the 2 LL teams ( and that's not a big leap) then Plattsburgh State would have a  4-1 record vRRO. I realize this is only conjecture on my part, but those 2 SUNYAC teams, in my opinion were better than Hobart and Clarkson. If those 2 LL teams were in the SUNYAC I don't believe they would have finished 2nd and 3rd in our league. I've seen every one of these teams play on numerous occasions this year and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. We'll just have to disagree on this one, Dave.

On another note you've had some excellent Hoopsville shows this year, good job. I haven't caught as many as I would have liked to because I don't have high speed internet in my home (dial up only). I have to stay at my store and hang out for many extra hours waiting for the show to come on, since I have a high speed connection in town. However after 30 years of bugging the local cable provider, they finally have strung the wire from the road I live on up to my house (I'm about 1000 feet from the road) and will be coming Saturday morning to install, cable TV, high speed internet, and phone service. I'm like a kid who just got his first 2 wheeler. :D                                                             
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 11:41:49 AM
First off... congrats on getting cable and high-speed internet. I wish I knew about your struggles because we introduced a podcast this year which is basically the audio-only version of the show... could have allowed you to enjoy the show in a lot more places. Oh well LOL. Thank you for at least tuning into the show... I do appreciate it and your kind words about the show.

As for your points on the SUNYAC and Liberty... while I agree that Oswego and Geneseo may appear to be better, the challenge is there is no actual "eye test" when it comes to these things. There can't be. And sure, if the SUNYAC was ranked, it would help Plattsburgh... but they aren't so it can't.

Also, you can't remove the conference games that are giving Skidmore the 2-2 part of their vRRO. This is the bone of contention I had with a regional committee coach last year on Hoopsville. The regional committee ranks the teams, they can't then go punish the teams for then having more vRROs than others because they ranked multiple teams in the conference. Sure, when it comes to head-to-head you can remove the game(s) from vRRO to keep from considering it twice, but not games a team has played in a conference that then has multiple teams ranked accordingly. That is punishing a team for what the committee considers playing in a tough conference. So while I appreciate that Skidmore wouldn't have the same vRRO if they hadn't played two teams in the Liberty twice... those two other teams in the conference are ranked and thus they deserve to have that data included (doesn't mean the committee won't analyze that data carefully in turn).

Basically, I just don't feel a single head-to-head game is enough to ignore a nearly "significant" difference in the SOS along with a better vRRO. However, we will find out later today if the East Region and the National Committees agree or not with either of our arguments/points.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 25, 2015, 12:51:00 PM
Dave,

I'm pretty sure they will agree with yours. Which means that Plattsburgh State will have to win the automatic bid that comes with taking home the SUNYAC Championship. That's how we prefer to make the NCAA field anyway, and hope our season will continue because we achieve that goal.

Regarding the podcast you referred to I probably couldn't have gotten that either at my house because I had problems trying to get audio feeds from games when I was at my home. I could usually get live stats but there were a number of times when I couldn't even pull them in. I spend a lot of time in my office at my store during basketball season, basically making Mrs. magicman a basketball widow from mid October until Salem weekend is over. She, more than anyone, is ecstatic that technology has finally come to our household. She won't have to spend 4 or 5 nights home alone until I roll in around 11 PM.     
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 01:57:16 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)

You got your wish, magicman!
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 25, 2015, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 01:57:16 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)

You got your wish, magicman!

I'm happy it turned out that way Dave, but a little surprised, not that Plattsburgh was 2nd (well a little bit), but I thought that Skidmore, by gaining the top seed in the Liberty League would probably move ahead of Hobart. Apparently the two h2h wins that Hobart had over the Thoroughbreds was enough to keep the Statesmen in front of them in the rankings. I'm guessing the National committee had something to do with the final order of the teams.   
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
Yeah... ignore conference standings... not a factor... so thus just because Skidmore is on top of the conference, two h2h losses would hurt their chances.

To make your head spin a bit... if this came down to Plattsburgh-Skidmore... the committee might have had one thought. If they compared Plattsburgh-Hobart... they may have had another thought. When they compared Hobart-Skidmore, that might have resulted in questioning the other two ... so they turn this into a three-team comparison and that might be how you get 2, 3, 4 there.

As for national input/changes... I don't know as I have not asked as of yet.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 25, 2015, 04:07:11 PM
Slightly surprised that Skidmore slipped to 4 as there SOS number is a considerably high than Plattsburgh and a lot higher than Hobart. National Committee did have input and made changes.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 25, 2015, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: dcahill44 on February 25, 2015, 04:07:11 PM
Slightly surprised that Skidmore slipped to 4 as there SOS number is a considerably high than Plattsburgh and a lot higher than Hobart. National Committee did have input and made changes.

How do you know this is true Derek?
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: magicman on February 25, 2015, 09:15:39 PM
So the 3rd set of Regional rankings for the East ended up in this order.

1. St John Fisher
2. Plattsburgh State
3. Hobart
4. Skidmore
5. NYU
6. Clarkson

Already there are changes in store for the one we won't see next week as #3 Hobart lost by a 69-59 score to #6 Clarkson. With Skidmore killing RIT 50-30, it looks like the Golden Knights will travel to Saratoga to face Skidmore for the LL title
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 26, 2015, 09:40:05 AM
Looking like the East will not get any Pool C bids this year if Fisher wins the E8, Plattsburgh wins the SUNYAC, and Skidmore wins the Liberty League. I think if Fisher loses in the conference tournament they will be on the bubble because of there low SOS numbers but i think they will ultimately get in tho. Despite the great record.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: 7express on February 27, 2015, 03:29:45 AM
Quote from: dcahill44 on February 26, 2015, 09:40:05 AM
Looking like the East will not get any Pool C bids this year if Fisher wins the E8, Plattsburgh wins the SUNYAC, and Skidmore wins the Liberty League. I think if Fisher loses in the conference tournament they will be on the bubble because of there low SOS numbers but i think they will ultimately get in tho. Despite the great record.

If Fisher, Plattsburgh and Skidmore all win their leagues and NYU beats Brandeis Saturday, NYU very well might be the first East rep and that maybe enough to get them in late in the process.  However if any of those 3 teams lose, NYU is definitely out and the East probably gets no bids (unless Fisher is the one that lost).
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2015, 10:07:48 AM
Pretty much said that exact same thing in Hoopsville last night.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on March 02, 2015, 01:45:31 PM
No at large bids for the East Region hopefully somebody can make a run in the East. Fisher has a tough pod. Hoping to watch WPI and Amherst next weekend at Fisher, should be some great basketball.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: spwood on March 02, 2015, 01:48:13 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 27, 2015, 03:29:45 AM
Quote from: dcahill44 on February 26, 2015, 09:40:05 AM
Looking like the East will not get any Pool C bids this year if Fisher wins the E8, Plattsburgh wins the SUNYAC, and Skidmore wins the Liberty League. I think if Fisher loses in the conference tournament they will be on the bubble because of there low SOS numbers but i think they will ultimately get in tho. Despite the great record.

If Fisher, Plattsburgh and Skidmore all win their leagues and NYU beats Brandeis Saturday, NYU very well might be the first East rep and that maybe enough to get them in late in the process.  However if any of those 3 teams lose, NYU is definitely out and the East probably gets no bids (unless Fisher is the one that lost).

Figures Plattsburgh is the one to prove you right!
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on January 20, 2016, 11:09:14 AM
A couple weeks away from the Regional Rankings and its looking like one team in the E8 (fisher), Lancaster Bible (if they keep winning) SOS is bad though, NYU and rest will be all SUNYAC in some order. I think teams like Plattsburgh, Oneonta (who I personally think are two of the best teams in the region) and depending on who keeps winning because nobody knows in the SUNYAC. Cortland, Geneseo, Buff State, and Oswego are all up for consideration. We will see how the next 2-3 weeks plays out but i think those 9 teams will all be up for consideration for 6 slots. If the SUNYAC keeps beating up on each other I think it will be a two bid league depending on who wins the conference tournament of course.

Would love to hear other people talk about the upcoming rankings even though we are a couple weeks or so away.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2016, 12:23:42 PM
Just an FYI - Feb. 10 is the first regional rankings.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Bengalsrule on January 20, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
Quote from: dcahill44 on January 20, 2016, 11:09:14 AM
A couple weeks away from the Regional Rankings and its looking like one team in the E8 (fisher), Lancaster Bible (if they keep winning) SOS is bad though, NYU and rest will be all SUNYAC in some order. I think teams like Plattsburgh, Oneonta (who I personally think are the two best teams in the region) and depending on who keeps winning because nobody knows in the SUNYAC. Cortland, Geneseo, Buff State, and Oswego are all up for consideration. We will see how the next 2-3 weeks plays out but i think those 9 teams will all be up for consideration for 6 slots. If the SUNYAC keeps beating up on each other I think it will be a two bid league depending on who wins the conference tournament of course.

Would love to hear other people talk about the upcoming rankings even though we are a couple weeks or so away.

I doubt you will hear much conversation about regional rankings for a couple of weeks!  I've been wrong before though!
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2016, 01:57:43 PM
There simply isn't enough info to talk regional rankings... this is actually why the NCAA waits so late in the year before producing them (along with the former "once ranked, always ranked" having a major impact the more times there were rankings). I think having one more set of rankings would be good (Feb. 3), but this point in the year it is still tough to line teams up.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:34:08 PM
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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 09, 2016, 01:06:04 PM
So for the rankings coming out tomorrow here is what I am thinking.

1. Plattsburgh
2. Rochester
3. Geneseo
4. St John Fisher
5. Oswego
6. Oneonta

Next 4 in no order Hartwick, Naz, Lancaster Bible, NYU and Brockport

Its hard to rank these teams but I think these are the six teams.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2016, 03:50:49 PM
Eh... gut tells me you are either considering vRRO which won't be in place for the first week or you are ignoring some of the other criteria. That list doesn't look right to me. I am trying to go through it myself, but haven't had time with everything else. The two things I will agree on: Plattsburgh will be number one and Lancaster will be off - the last part causing a problem in the long run I feel.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 09, 2016, 05:18:39 PM
its a lot tougher than past years but I also like Brockport forgot about them. There SOS is good and they have some good wins
let me know who you think dave
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2016, 05:25:40 PM
Huh - I thought I mentioned you forgot Brockport, but it isn't in my comments. Yeah. I think Brockport is on that list.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:54:00 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: dcahill44 on February 11, 2016, 11:06:03 AM
It is baffling to me that a team in the East like Lancaster Bible doesn't get in over a team that has 6-7 losses. I mean if a team that is undefeated cant get into the rankings that tells me the NCAA has to go back to the drawing board and find different criteria. Another example Penn St Behrend a team who was 19-1 going into the rankings in the Great Lakes cant get into the top 9 in there region!! I just think its a bit ridiculous that NCAA is rewarding teams that have a bunch of losses over teams that win the games on there schedule.

I get the SOS factor but reward teams that win there games. Its not like these teams can just go join the NESCAC or UAA OR SUNYAC.

Lancaster and Behrend also ranked top 15 and top 25 in the D3hoops poll.

rant over.

would love to here what people think
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
I replied on the Pool C thread: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4232.msg1729948#msg1729948

But I would point out that you didn't even have them on your mock rankings so I am surprised you are surprised.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: with age came? on February 12, 2016, 06:44:04 PM
dcahill44 you have my answer in the form of plus karma - now that I am a karma wielding poster!!  Undefeated is undefeated...enough said!!
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:17:30 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: with age came? on February 25, 2016, 02:26:32 PM
Trying to "stir the pot" here a little.. but seems as the magicman suspects some stinky cheese over on the SUNYAC board with the NYU ranking too!!  I stick by my statement that undefeated is undefeated but there have been far worse "snubs" in history.. look up "Undefeated, Untied, Unscored upon and Uninvited" and you'll see what I mean!! ;D
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 03:02:57 PM
I know that NYU was readjusted by the committee upward... unfortunately, their results against the UAA have HELPED them... not hurt them like usual.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 06:22:38 PM
The final days of the regular season are here. Results of games across the country are affecting other teams not even playing. How will it all shake out and how does one result affect another?

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh gives you the insight you need to know how the NCAA Tournament brackets are already taking shape. Dave will talk to many coaches around the country who are looking to lock up automatic bids, securing at-large opportunities, or knowingly playing for the postseason lives. Dave will even make sure you better understand the selection criteria and how something like the Strength of Schedule helps or hurts teams.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7pm ET. You can tune in below.

Guests include (in order of appearance)
- Michele Durand, No. 10 Ohio Northern women's coach
- Fred Richter, DeSales women's coach
- Warren Caruso, Husson men's coach
- Zach Frilen, No. 15 Lancaster Bible men's coach
- Todd Raridon, No. 11 North Central (Ill.) men's coach
- Marcus Kahn (Mary Washington) or Andy Sachs (Salisbury), CAC men's semifinal winner
- Matt Snyder, Strength of Schedule/Numbers guru

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2016, 03:57:15 PM
The opening day of the 2015-16 basketball season started with a bang. The NCAA announcing major violations by Thomas More which resulted in vacating the entire 2014-15 season including the national championship - the first time in the history of Division III basketball, men or women. Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), continuing coverage of the fallout of that decision including an exclusive one-on-one interview with Coach Jeff Hans of Thomas More.

Plus we take a look at the start of the season and talk with Claremont-Mudd-Scripps women's basketball who is no longer flying under the radar. We also talk to the Trine women who want to take control of the MIAA. Plus we hear from two men's coaches starting anew at Case Western Reserve and SUNY-Canton.

Hoopsville airs live starting at 7:00 PM ET. You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/nov17

Guests include:
- Adam Turer, Editor and Contributor for D3hoops.com
- Jeff Hans, No. 4 Thomas More women's head coach (exclusive interview)
- Kristen Dowling, No. 24 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps women's head coach
- Ryan Gould, Trine women's head coach
- Ben Thompson, SUNY Canton men's head coach
- Todd McGuinness, Case Western Reserve men's head coach
- Jeff Burns, Randolph-Macon athletics director (former men's basketball committee chair)

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:28:57 PM
All of the sudden the month of January is coming to a close! It wasn't that long ago we were watching how teams would perform during holiday tournaments and after long breaks. Now, we are wondering how most teams will weather the second half of conference play.

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to take the temperature of Division III basketball. Just how good are the teams nationally ranked and near the top of some conference? Are there teams lurking who are about to emerge and disrupt things?

Of course the focus on this show will primarily be the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions, but there is still plenty to talk about nationwide including the common theme: upsets and parity.

Guests will include a coach who won his 400th on Wednesday, three nationally ranked teams, and seven total losses.

Dave also discusses the recently launch Hoopsville Fundraising efforts and the upcoming annual marathon show. For more information on the fundraiser, click here: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017

Tune in starting at 7:00 PM LIVE via this link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan26 (or the Facebook Live simulcast). If you can't make it live, watch the show On Demand to listen (download) the podcast to the right (available after the show concludes).

Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them tonight or on a future show.

Guests scheduled to appear (in order of appearance):
- Frank Marcinek, No. 11 Susquehanna men's coach
- Luke Flockerzi, No. 7 Rochester men's coach
- Don Mulhern, UW-Superior women's coach
- Michele Durand, No. 8 Ohio Northern women's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 06:44:22 PM
The Division III season has officially entered "Crunch Time." Regular season schedules are wrapping up, conference tournaments are about to begin, teams are jockeying for conference position or trying to win home-court advantage. And it is all happening the uncertainty of whether NCAA tournament berths are available for a lot of teams.

On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh not only takes another look at this week's Regional Rankings, but also tries to read the tea leaves. He also chats with four teams that all still have something to play for. Whether it is to better position themselves in the eyes of the NCAA committees or just to turn more heads in their conference tournament, these teams are still pushing to continue their seasons.


Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio starting at 7:00 PM ET LIVE. You can watch the show on the official show page here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/feb16 ... or you can watch the live simulcast on Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville). If you miss the show, you can catch-up on Demand or listen to the podcasts (which will be uploaded at the conclusion of the show).

A reminder the Thursday edition of Hoopsville primarily covers the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West regions, but we will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.

And please consider helping Hoopsville stay on the air like you might help your public television station. The annual fundraising campaign has less than three weeks remaining, but we are no where close to reaching our goal. Click here for more information: Hoopsville Fundraising Page (https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017/x/6029509)

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Michael Meek, No. 24 George Fox women's coach
- Katherine Bixby, Dickinson women's coach
- Greg Mitchell, No. 16 Hope men's coach
- Rob Kornaker, St. John Fisher men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2018, 05:38:00 PM
The holidays brought us many presents in Division III basketball. From upsets to impressive performances, many teams made an impression. As a result, there is plenty to recap as Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) returns to the air after the holiday break.

Join Dave as he talks to guests around the country and recaps an incredible few weeks - or tries to recap. From an assistant coach who made a life saving decision, a women's coach who has been fighting cancer without missing time with his team, to coaches around the country who have teams that have many wondering ... just how good are they?

With the midseason return of Hoopsville comes with it some of the more structured aspects of the show. For starters, Thursday nights are dedicated primarily to the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions for guests. Tonight also sees the season debut of the "WBCA Center Court" which is a segment that allows viewers to learn more about coaches and what they are involved in outside of basketball.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7pm ET right here: http://bit.ly/2CoVJhv.

You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Justin Smith, Dubuque women's assistant coach
- Brian Newhall, Occidental men's coach
- Guy Rancourt, No. 6 Lycoming men's coach
- Matt Dempsey, Merchant Marine women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Jeff Hans, No. 8 Thomas More women's coach
- Joe Burke, Skidmore men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
It is already the midway point of January. In a month's time, we will be looking at conference tournaments and discussing who has a chance to make the NCAA tournaments. However, there is still a lot of basketball to be played and many teams are starting to take the turn into the second half of conference play.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave will chat with a number of guests to get a landscape of where things are in Division III. The conversation will include checking in at the NCAA Convention where legislation will be voted on by DIII members and conferences on whether to start the season a week earlier.

Dave then talks to some of the hotter teams in the country. Two women's programs (ranked and unranked) who are leading their respective conferences and looking to build on recent success. Also two men's programs one of which is not in the spotlight as much as they traditionally are along with a program we haven't talked to in a number of years.

This week's WBCA Center Court will feature a women's coach who is doing what she can to spread the word about women's basketball including giving more of her time to make sure her colleagues are taken care of and heard.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://bit.ly/2DmSR9D

You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- James Wagner, CSAC Assistant Commissioner
- Bobby Hurley, Stevens men's coach
- Kris Huffman, No. 9 DePauw women's coach
- Polly Thomason, Texas-Dallas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Matt Logie, No. 7 Whitworth men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:42:29 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
The first regional rankings are out which in itself brings on a lot of conversation, but the jockeying and positioning contines in conferences around the country for teams trying to keep their seasons going into March.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave talks to a number of high-ranking squads about the pressure to stay atop their respective conference races while also positioning themselves well in the regional rankings.

Dave also welcomes a coach who has played in DIII, coached in both DII and DIII, and coached both men and women. He talks about the road, possibly, less traveled in the "WBCA Center Court" segment.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://bit.ly/2EROVeC

If you have questions, be sure to interact with the show on social media (see below) or email us your questions (hoopsville@d3hoops.com).

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Ryan Gould, No. 7 Trine women's coach
- Michelle Ferenz, No. 5 Whitman women's coach
- Charlie Just, Spalding women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Landry Kosmalski, No. 11 Swarthmore men's coach
- Tom Curle, Plattsburgh State men's coach

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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:01:55 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:41:44 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:16:11 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:23:07 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: AUPepBand on February 16, 2019, 10:07:14 PM
So St. John Fisher (15-7) was regionally ranked in Week 2 rankings. All but two of the Cardinals' losses were by four points or less. Those two losses were to Alfred, 103-88 at Alfred, then today, 104-82 on the Cardinals' home court on Senior Day.

Pep believes the Saxons have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, based on Alfred's weak schedule. Nevertheless, the Saxons are 20-4 now and atop the Empire 8 standings at 13-2, one game ahead of regionally ranked Nazareth. AU will need to win the E8 Tournament to go to the dance.

But Pep is curious whether the Saxons join the list of teams ranked in the East Region this week.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: With Age Comes Wisdom? on February 18, 2019, 06:17:33 AM
AU Pep has a point!  Get'em ranked!! :D
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
Let's start with the fact that Alfred is really 18-4 in the eyes of the committees. They have two wins at the beginning of the season that basically don't even count in the grand scheme of things. If the committees are eyebrow deep and needing to go deep into the secondary criteria, then they may add those wins to help out.

However, Alfred's SOS is .476 - that is poor. It is pretty poor considering most conferences at least help bring that number to about .500, give or take. Alfred's problem is the non-conference SOS (which is also a secondary criteria item) at .428. That is really, really bad.

You can't have a great record and have a lousy SOS even if they did get rid of the SOS to WL metric/tool. 2-1 (probably different this week) versus regionally ranked opponents isn't bad and may help them get to the very bottom of the rankings this week (the wins over SJF will help).

But really ... it doesn't matter if they are ranked or not. They are a "win and get in" team. Even being ranked won't help them see the NCAA Tournament otherwise.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: AUPepBand on February 18, 2019, 02:21:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
Let's start with the fact that Alfred is really 18-4 in the eyes of the committees. They have two wins at the beginning of the season that basically don't even count in the grand scheme of things. If the committees are eyebrow deep and needing to go deep into the secondary criteria, then they may add those wins to help out.

However, Alfred's SOS is .476 - that is poor. It is pretty poor considering most conferences at least help bring that number to about .500, give or take. Alfred's problem is the non-conference SOS (which is also a secondary criteria item) at .428. That is really, really bad.

You can't have a great record and have a lousy SOS even if they did get rid of the SOS to WL metric/tool. 2-1 (probably different this week) versus regionally ranked opponents isn't bad and may help them get to the very bottom of the rankings this week (the wins over SJF will help).

But really ... it doesn't matter if they are ranked or not. They are a "win and get in" team. Even being ranked won't help them see the NCAA Tournament otherwise.

Yeah, Pep gets it....quoting Pep now: the Saxons have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, based on Alfred's weak schedule.

But not to slip in as a #10 in the regional rankings just proliferates Rodney Dangerfield's cry of "no respect."

Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2019, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on February 18, 2019, 02:21:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
Let's start with the fact that Alfred is really 18-4 in the eyes of the committees. They have two wins at the beginning of the season that basically don't even count in the grand scheme of things. If the committees are eyebrow deep and needing to go deep into the secondary criteria, then they may add those wins to help out.

However, Alfred's SOS is .476 - that is poor. It is pretty poor considering most conferences at least help bring that number to about .500, give or take. Alfred's problem is the non-conference SOS (which is also a secondary criteria item) at .428. That is really, really bad.

You can't have a great record and have a lousy SOS even if they did get rid of the SOS to WL metric/tool. 2-1 (probably different this week) versus regionally ranked opponents isn't bad and may help them get to the very bottom of the rankings this week (the wins over SJF will help).

But really ... it doesn't matter if they are ranked or not. They are a "win and get in" team. Even being ranked won't help them see the NCAA Tournament otherwise.

Yeah, Pep gets it....quoting Pep now: the Saxons have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, based on Alfred's weak schedule.

But not to slip in as a #10 in the regional rankings just proliferates Rodney Dangerfield's cry of "no respect."

Pep,

Alfred may well have been No. 10 last week! You should respect the regional rankings enough to know how many teams are listed. :)
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2019, 04:30:31 PM
Yeah ... that confused me for a moment. LOL
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: AUPepBand on February 18, 2019, 08:42:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2019, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on February 18, 2019, 02:21:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
Let's start with the fact that Alfred is really 18-4 in the eyes of the committees. They have two wins at the beginning of the season that basically don't even count in the grand scheme of things. If the committees are eyebrow deep and needing to go deep into the secondary criteria, then they may add those wins to help out.

However, Alfred's SOS is .476 - that is poor. It is pretty poor considering most conferences at least help bring that number to about .500, give or take. Alfred's problem is the non-conference SOS (which is also a secondary criteria item) at .428. That is really, really bad.

You can't have a great record and have a lousy SOS even if they did get rid of the SOS to WL metric/tool. 2-1 (probably different this week) versus regionally ranked opponents isn't bad and may help them get to the very bottom of the rankings this week (the wins over SJF will help).

But really ... it doesn't matter if they are ranked or not. They are a "win and get in" team. Even being ranked won't help them see the NCAA Tournament otherwise.

Yeah, Pep gets it....quoting Pep now: the Saxons have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, based on Alfred's weak schedule.

But not to slip in as a #10 in the regional rankings just proliferates Rodney Dangerfield's cry of "no respect."

Pep,

Alfred may well have been No. 10 last week! You should respect the regional rankings enough to know how many teams are listed. :)

Haha....but we'll never really know for sure!  ::)
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: AUPepBand on February 20, 2019, 12:17:09 AM
So the Saxons defeat another regionally ranked team in Nazareth tonight, 94-83 to finish the regular season at 21-4, (E8 14-2), capture their first ever Empire 8 Conference championship (regular season) and lock up home court advantage for the E8 Tournament this weekend.

The Empire 8 Tournament Schedule:
#4 Stevens vs. #1 Alfred, 5:30 p.m.
#3 St. John Fisher vs. #2 Nazareth, 7:30 p.m.
Galanis Family Arena, McLane Center, Alfred, NY

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:38:16 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: thebear on February 27, 2019, 07:14:54 PM
So Oswego is ranked #1 in the East but Rochester's bracket lets it stay in the east, [Oswego is east of Rochester].

Oswego will have to be going to Wooster or Augustana if they win their pod. 

NCAA is fixed, sorry.  NESCAC and UAA always get preference.
   
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 01:31:56 AM
Quote from: thebear on February 27, 2019, 07:14:54 PM
So Oswego is ranked #1 in the East but Rochester's bracket lets it stay in the east, [Oswego is east of Rochester].

Oswego will have to be going to Wooster or Augustana if they win their pod. 

NCAA is fixed, sorry.  NESCAC and UAA always get preference.


Um .. say ... what?

A team's ranking doesn't dictate where it is put in a bracket. You are assuming the East #1 is equal to any of the other regional #1s?

And there is no "east" in this bracket. It may seem that way due to geographics, but this is one of the most balanced and national brackets we have ever had.

Fixed? Fixed for what reason exactly?

BTW, the ONLY reason Rochester is hosting this weekend is because Amherst cannot (women are hosting; they have priority in the first weekend in odd years). So you have a NESCAC and a UAA team potentially facing off in the second around. Where is that preference exactly?

Oh and Emory has to play Wittenberg in the first round... where is that preference you speak of?

Williams may face Whitman if they both get to the Sweet 16 ... what preference?

Oswego is hosting ... they have a very winnable weekend ... they might face Marietta in a bracket that features Augustana. You know what that means with all the rest of my examples thrown in ... this tournament will NOT be easy. NO team will have an easy road to Fort Wayne.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Basketball23 on February 28, 2019, 03:54:07 PM
It is fun to imagine the NCAA D3 Selection committee sitting in a dark seedy room, probably smoking cigars, wearing Fedora's, and drinking bourbon that's not quite top shelf but quality enough to let you know they mean business. Discussing this years plot to stick it to every non-NESCAC/UAA school while accepting what I can only imagine, is dozens of dollars in kick backs from those conferences commissioners. When they finish sticking it to us non-elitists they probably let out a loud cackle, insult our non-NESCAC intelligence, and rejoice because they've pulled one over on us for another year.
Title: Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:41:44 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third