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#1
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on December 21, 2023, 11:51:52 AM
I can't recall where I heard it, but the word was Cortland had a lot of 5th year Covid guys on the roster. Of the graduating players, only 6 seniors were starters. It was brought up that the TE (Kendrick?),WR (Iadaeveo), 3 OL (no idea on the status of the guy who filled in with the injuries), Qb (Boyes), and RB (alfanostjohn) are all slated to return. Not a bad place to be as an offensive unit for 2024. Lapp and Burgess were studs...not easily replaceable! The Dragons have had some great receivers through the years, so I'm sure they will reload in some capacity!

I'm not sure what they have back defensively, but if what was said is correct, they should be in really good shape!

The other WRs besides Lapp and Burgess made great plays all year long.  Obviously helps with the top guys run off coverages but still not a bad place to be.
#2
Landers Green in the Portal (I think it has been mentioned on the boards here somewhere)

I also just saw Jared Martino (Framingham State LB who was top 5 in the nation in tackles) transfers to Central Conn State. 

Just makes me think Union is a better place than Central Conn State or Iona, Wagner or Sacred Heart.  I have a feeling Green ends up somewhere like that.
#3
Quote from: NESCACFball24/7 on December 20, 2023, 11:57:47 AM
Quote from: BigKat on December 20, 2023, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: NE Football Fan on December 20, 2023, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: The Mole on December 19, 2023, 02:43:01 PM
Not trying to be cryptic--you answered it. Most offered by Williams & Amherst will turn down other NESCAC based upon the academics, culture and winning. If they are beating out the rest of the league for players in recruiting, should that not transfer to the field of play?

Quote from: MammothDad on December 19, 2023, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: The Mole on December 18, 2023, 12:54:21 PM
Who do they "loose" (IYKYK  ;D) recruits to? Why didn't your son choose Middlebury over Amherst? Had not had a losing season since 1993 and 3 of the last 4 have been losing records. League has historically been dominated by Williams, Amherst and Trinity. Why were they winning in the first place? 



Loose?

Because Amherst was rated the better school, per most rankings.  But Middlebury is a great school and they put plenty on Wall Street.

Winning?  Per the consensus of this message board, your kid's weightlifting regimen, your "program culture" and your Head Coach are the ONLY 3 relevant factors ...

Confused more now but thanks for replying!

Mole, you are 100% correct! Amherst and Williams will win the recruiting battle for a kid 95% of the time. It comes down to putting the players in the right position for success and game planning/adjustments. No excuses for both Amherst and Williams to be where they are win/loss as they should be top 4 every year with the other two being Trinity and Tufts (different reasons).

Will respectfully disagree here. I won't debate the academics but several of the current Tufts' roster turned down offers from both those schools. Watched a Tufts' night game this year with 3 "impact" Amherst players from the '14/15 championships teams. All three to a man said they'd have chosen tufts now seeing the upgraded facilities, commitment to football and proximity to Boston. A no brainer.

The location is be coming more and more of an advantage for Tufts, Wesleyan and Trinity especially as the league starts to look for more out of region kids for talent. Most of those guys don't want to fly 3-6 hours and then drive another 2-3 to get to school every single time or have their parents have to do that to come watch a game. A much easier sell to be at some of the more rural schools if the kid is already from the northeast but that already limits your pool of kids significantly and drops the talent level you can get as well. I will say Amherst and Wesleyan have tried to get more out of region kids the last few years but have not had close to the success as tufts Wesleyan or even middlebury for whatever reason have found with the strategy.

Meh, for every kid that wants to be at a school near "Boston" you have plenty of others who want to get away from Boston and NYC to attend school.  If they are from outside the northeast there are similar options to Tufts/Trinity (JHU/MIT/Chicago/Wash U/CMU) 

Interesting talk here on this.  I still say most kids going to Nescac schools like the school/campus first and football second.  Lots of kids go to Trinity because of their business connections in NYC and Boston.  An equal amount of kids go to CBB because its "away" from the suburbs and its a new place for them.  A good portion of others go somewhere because family members went there.  Others go places because the coach recruits them hard and gets them a "spot". 

I think it is tough to pinpoint an exact formula as to why kids go to different schools.  It is obviously not an even playing field as some have higher standards and others have less success on the field. 
#4
Quote from: Scoops on December 19, 2023, 07:53:57 AM
Real classy Jonny. You got called out for correcting someone without doing any research, and your response is to be snippy when you're corrected by someone who bothered to do a cursory Google search? Do better. And also, how are you knocking him being a D1 "co-ordinator" like that's a bad thing? Again, I would assume most NESCAC assistants would jump at that opportunity. Let's not belittle the guy's accomplishment because you wanted to be the condescending "smart guy".

Quote from: Jonny Utah on December 18, 2023, 10:41:46 AM
Quote from: NESCACFball24/7 on December 18, 2023, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on December 18, 2023, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: Scoops on December 18, 2023, 09:21:08 AM
Chuck, what in the world are you talking about? A division 1 coordinator job is a DOWNWARD move from a NESCAC coordinator job? What kind of delusional thinking is that? I get that we are all fans of the NESCAC and recognize the quality and value of the football that gets played at these elite academic institutions, but find me ANY assistant coach in the league who wouldn't leave for a D1 coordinator job in a heartbeat.

From all accounts, Coach Manning was beloved by the players and parents. Huge loss for tufts, as their defense was excellent this year. Although I'm hearing that the job is highly coveted, and that Tufts could bring in another guy from the D1 world. Clearly an important hire to keep them among the top teams in the league.

Quote from: Charlie on December 16, 2023, 11:12:08 AM
Coaching Moves

Tufts Defensive Coordinator leaaves Tufts and takes LB Job at Austin Peay State University. Odd selection seems like a downward move from DC job at Tufts. He was position coach before taking DC job at Tufts.

Fwiw the move is from a d3 DC to a FCS position coach.  Still a move up.

https://x.com/coachjmann919/status/1735723688236888569?s=46&t=6dzmKTnu6IlLwtu5vvMotA

Most definitely a coordinator job. Do your research before you start correcting people

If you read Charlie's post he (and I) were under the impression that it was a position coach (he even said it).  Of course a mediocre d3 coordinator (job not coach) moving to a good FCS coordinator job is a move up.  Thanks Einstein.  And it's still a Co~DC job.

Not knocking anyone just correcting someone who didn't want to be corrected when he was also wrong.  wtf cares it's a mistake. 
#5
Quote from: NESCACFball24/7 on December 18, 2023, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on December 18, 2023, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: Scoops on December 18, 2023, 09:21:08 AM
Chuck, what in the world are you talking about? A division 1 coordinator job is a DOWNWARD move from a NESCAC coordinator job? What kind of delusional thinking is that? I get that we are all fans of the NESCAC and recognize the quality and value of the football that gets played at these elite academic institutions, but find me ANY assistant coach in the league who wouldn't leave for a D1 coordinator job in a heartbeat.

From all accounts, Coach Manning was beloved by the players and parents. Huge loss for tufts, as their defense was excellent this year. Although I'm hearing that the job is highly coveted, and that Tufts could bring in another guy from the D1 world. Clearly an important hire to keep them among the top teams in the league.

Quote from: Charlie on December 16, 2023, 11:12:08 AM
Coaching Moves

Tufts Defensive Coordinator leaaves Tufts and takes LB Job at Austin Peay State University. Odd selection seems like a downward move from DC job at Tufts. He was position coach before taking DC job at Tufts.

Fwiw the move is from a d3 DC to a FCS position coach.  Still a move up.

https://x.com/coachjmann919/status/1735723688236888569?s=46&t=6dzmKTnu6IlLwtu5vvMotA

Most definitely a coordinator job. Do your research before you start correcting people

If you read Charlie's post he (and I) were under the impression that it was a position coach (he even said it).  Of course a mediocre d3 coordinator (job not coach) moving to a good FCS coordinator job is a move up.  Thanks Einstein.  And it's still a Co~DC job.
#6
Quote from: Scoops on December 18, 2023, 09:21:08 AM
Chuck, what in the world are you talking about? A division 1 coordinator job is a DOWNWARD move from a NESCAC coordinator job? What kind of delusional thinking is that? I get that we are all fans of the NESCAC and recognize the quality and value of the football that gets played at these elite academic institutions, but find me ANY assistant coach in the league who wouldn't leave for a D1 coordinator job in a heartbeat.

From all accounts, Coach Manning was beloved by the players and parents. Huge loss for tufts, as their defense was excellent this year. Although I'm hearing that the job is highly coveted, and that Tufts could bring in another guy from the D1 world. Clearly an important hire to keep them among the top teams in the league.

Quote from: Charlie on December 16, 2023, 11:12:08 AM
Coaching Moves

Tufts Defensive Coordinator leaaves Tufts and takes LB Job at Austin Peay State University. Odd selection seems like a downward move from DC job at Tufts. He was position coach before taking DC job at Tufts.

Fwiw the move is from a d3 DC to a FCS position coach.  Still a move up.
#7
Quote from: hazzben on December 16, 2023, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: jdex on December 15, 2023, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: FishHack76 on December 15, 2023, 10:35:12 PM
Closest D3 title game in history. Central (Iowa) beat Ithaca by two points in 1974.

AND the qb on that Ithaca team?? JERRY BOYES -- Zac's Dad!!

Wow, what a nugget. And then how does his son end up on the other side of the Cortaca Jug rivalry?!

Does NCC not have a great fg kicker? Felt like the first trip in the redzone especially but also the second were spots for some points.

Incredible game. So much talent on the field, tough way for it to end for NCC. It was a blast watching this NCC team play all season. Didn't expect this ending, and agree that missing two AA guys on D was a factor. But so was the mojo of Zac Boyes. He balled out.

So back in 1993, legendary Ithaca HC Jim Butterfield announces his retirement.  Jerry Boyes had turned Buffalo St. into a great program and put in for the Ithaca job.  Mike Welch was the DC at Ithaca in 1993 and also an IC grad and also put in for it. Well Mike Welch got the job and the rumor is Jerry Boyes was not happy about it.  He stayed in the Buffalo area and raised a family there.  His son goes to Cortland and here we are. 
#8
Quote from: Charlie on December 16, 2023, 11:12:08 AM
Coaching Moves

Tufts Defensive Coordinator leaaves Tufts and takes LB Job at Austin Peay State University. Odd selection seems like a downward move from DC job at Tufts. He was position coach before taking DC job at Tufts.

That is a step up in the college football coaching world. 
#9
Quote from: D3fanboy on December 16, 2023, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on December 16, 2023, 08:11:36 AM
Quote from: DriftlessDuhawk on December 16, 2023, 07:33:00 AM
Some talk on twitter/X from some Wartburg folks about how they felt that NCC knew all their plays in the semifinal game before they happened. A few folks implied a similar scheme to that that has been described at Michigan. The same accounts indicated that they informed the Cortland staff prior to the Stagg Bowl about this and that they needed to change their signals. Any of our Wartburg fans here know anything about this? Obviously sign stealing has always been a part of sports but if there were rules broken to do it then it is a different matter. Also some pretty big accusations to be throwing around...

I saw a comment mentioning this on Twitter.  I have to think it would be impossible for a team like ncc to scout on a team they don't even know they are playing, live, in one or two games and have the ability to steal a teams signals. 

Literally zero chance NCC is stealing Wartburgs or anyone signals.  But the thought has to cross your mind because of Michigan but even there we have no idea how much it helped or didn't help.

With the way some D3FB games are broadcast with a wide shot of the visiting sideline , it would be easier to gather the signals than from an iPhone a la Connor Stalions

Meh still a huge stretch.  These broadcasts usually never show the coaches (or three of them usually) sending in signals and they change those kids/coaches often anyway. 
#10
Quote from: DriftlessDuhawk on December 16, 2023, 07:33:00 AM
Some talk on twitter/X from some Wartburg folks about how they felt that NCC knew all their plays in the semifinal game before they happened. A few folks implied a similar scheme to that that has been described at Michigan. The same accounts indicated that they informed the Cortland staff prior to the Stagg Bowl about this and that they needed to change their signals. Any of our Wartburg fans here know anything about this? Obviously sign stealing has always been a part of sports but if there were rules broken to do it then it is a different matter. Also some pretty big accusations to be throwing around...

I saw a comment mentioning this on Twitter.  I have to think it would be impossible for a team like ncc to scout on a team they don't even know they are playing, live, in one or two games and have the ability to steal a teams signals. 

Literally zero chance NCC is stealing Wartburgs or anyone signals.  But the thought has to cross your mind because of Michigan but even there we have no idea how much it helped or didn't help. 
#11
Just read the piece on Cole Burgess on the front page.  He was suspended for a YEAR for having an off campus party during COVID?  That seems insane.
#12
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 12, 2023, 11:31:57 AM
Lots of really interesting discussion here about important money is in the coaching game.  I get that money is really important to everyone, coaches included.  But I guess I sometimes still scratch my head a little; most people who get into coaching do it in spite of the money, not for it.  I think it's one of those odd professions that initially draws people who value all sorts of things above money (passion for the game, for the rare shot at real mentorship at scale, etc.) but then as you go along, more money always seems like to the answer to life's problems. 

If I were a coach, I would absolutely rather be winning games at a D3 school for 25 years, deeply entwined in college community and a web of 600 young men who I got to see grow up around me, than to be making twice or three times the money but moving town every 5-10 years and struggling to go .500 at the FCS level.  I think of Poppe, and I just sort of feel bad at the prospect of him losing 7 or 8 games a year in an empty stadium at a university where almost no one care about athletics. That doesn't sound like much fun at all.

But as is well-established here, I am old-fashioned and a romantic, so I get that's not the normal perspective on this one.

No I get what you are saying.  A lot of it is being "home" too.  And that home is either where you are from or where you went to college.  I could also mean like for someone like Toerper (hopefully) that he is living in an area close to where his wife grew up.  But football coaches do this all the time, although it is rare they do it after one year like Poppe did.  But that brings me back to the part where I'm surprised he even got that job in the first place. 
#13
Quote from: IC798891 on December 11, 2023, 01:58:33 PM
To paraphrase Nick Nolte in Blue Chips:

"This aint about education, it aint much about winning, and it sure aint much about [football]. It's about money!"

If I had to guess, I'd suspect Swanstrom tripled his salary going from IC to (now) Cornell.

And you know, much like I've said elsewhere: I don't blame these guys one bit. They have families. Why shouldn't they make moves based on that?

Do I think it's 100% about chasing money? Of course not. And there are obviously some coaches who do stay at one level for a long time when they could probably move up. Dan seems very comfortable at the Ivy level. But there's no reason to believe that the buckets of extra cash these guys get when they leave D3 isn't a big factor.

I mean, be honest with yourselves: When you've moved from job to job, hasn't money been one of the biggest factors?

I thought about going into the coaching profession.  It is very competitive these days.  I remember a few friends of mine were GA's at Springfield in the late 1990s.  After one of their games one of them had to stay late breaking down film (VHS!).  I remember thinking how horrible that was after a game, even as a coach, having to sit in an office and work.  Another friend of mine was a position coach at an Ivy league school in the late 1990s.  He got paid 10K a year and had to be in the office EVERY day at 6am in case someone called.  I'm not sure if he was allowed to have another job but we have all heard the stories about coaches sleeping on coaches and working night shifts places to make ends meet.  10k a year isn't gonna cut it, even in 1998 Boston.

On the other hand I remember Coach Faggiano (who I think was just the DL coach at the time) working full time as a Biology teacher at Ithaca HS and coaching the DL after school.  I'm not too sure how common that is these days.

#14
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both games today needed the pay app from ESPN+ right?
#15
Quote from: XREDDRAGON77 on December 07, 2023, 09:31:43 PM
Looked at the game notes. RMC has an amazingly impressive offense! Defense looks to be stout. Their performances on both sides of the ball clearly back that up! Excited for the Red Dragons and hoping they bring their  A+game !

I like their offense more than their defense.  Just a smooth looking unit with all sorts of concepts and formations that come out when you least expect it.  Lines should be even between the two teams but Cortland is gonna need to be good in their passing game in order to win this one.  Obviously I've seen Cortland and RMC once and one team beat Ithaca bad (RMC) and the other beat Ithaca in a close game but was clearly the better team (Cortland).  Both RMC and Cortland were pretty flawless in those games, especially offensively.  Ithaca's line was outmatched in both games.