BB: Pool B

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CrashDavisD3

26/8.5 = 3.05  truncate =3 ??
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: CDD3 on November 28, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
26/8.5 = 3.05  truncate =3 ??
Yes.

26 / 8.7 = 2.9885 truncate to 2.  ;)

Ralph Turner

Quote from: JohnnyU on February 22, 2011, 05:12:58 PM
There will be 2 OR 3 Pool B bids.

340 teams Pool A eligible teams and 38 Pool A conferences. Meaning 1 out of every 8.94737 Pool A eligible teams gets a Pool A bid.

27 Pool B eligible teams. If 1 out of every 8.94737 Pool B eligible teams gets a Pool B bid then 3.01765 teams will receive Pool B bids. So depending if my count is right, there will be 2 or 3 bids.

Thanks for the correction.
The Access Ratio is not likely to change much so I think that 26 Pool B teams mean 2 bids and 27 Pool B bids means 3 bids.

CrashDavisD3

Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2011, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: CDD3 on November 28, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
26/8.5 = 3.05  truncate =3 ??
Yes.

26 / 8.7 = 2.9885 truncate to 2.  ;)

Thanks Ralph. It makes sense now BUT why the NCAA does not round up like the rest of world in Math but truncates is beyond me. 26 teams 2 bids 1 for every 13 teams in Pool B makes no sense to me but I have never been a huge fan of seperate PoolB & PoolC bids.

I am a fan of 16 4 team regionals and 8 Super Regional formats like D1. I also like their format for picking teams also. I like the automatic bids and at large team format.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: CDD3 on November 28, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2011, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: CDD3 on November 28, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
26/8.5 = 3.05  truncate =3 ??
Yes.

26 / 8.7 = 2.9885 truncate to 2.  ;)

Thanks Ralph. It makes sense now BUT why the NCAA does not round up like the rest of world in Math but truncates is beyond me. 26 teams 2 bids 1 for every 13 teams in Pool B makes no sense to me but I have never been a huge fan of seperate PoolB & PoolC bids.

I am a fan of 16 4 team regionals and 8 Super Regional formats like D1. I also like their format for picking teams also. I like the automatic bids and at large team format.
They have always truncated.  It is not as dramatic when you have 50 schools and an access ratio of 1:8.1 ( = 6 bids.)

The thinking of the playoffs being conducted in three weekends to decrease the amount of class time that student-athletes miss in in D-III.

That is probably not as critical for D-1 where baseball is approaching status as a revenue sport in several conferences.  ;)

CrashDavisD3

16 4 team regionals would be less time missed in class rooms. Double Elimination

1) Less travel since they can be located closer
2) Can be completed in in 2 1/2 days  Friday/Saturday/Sunday.

8 2 team super Regionals can be completed in 2 days(Saturday/Sunday) best of 3 games

This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: CDD3 on November 28, 2011, 10:23:04 PM
16 4 team regionals would be less time missed in class rooms. Double Elimination

1) Less travel since they can be located closer
2) Can be completed in in 2 1/2 days  Friday/Saturday/Sunday.

8 2 team super Regionals can be completed in 2 days(Saturday/Sunday) best of 3 games


And then in the 3rd weekend, you have the World Series...
Facilities and staffing are a problem.

The NCAA has not budgeted for 64 baseball teams.  Our playoff budget is the same for most of the team sports, 1 bid for every 6.5 teams that sponsor the sport, up to 64 (e.g., women's hoops.)

As it is now, we have pushed the playoffs into the last 2 weeks of the season. Summer jobs, summer school, overseas study, internships, and even summer "wooden bat" ball leagues begin the next week.  The northern schools are already cramming 20-23 games into the last month, not counting conference tourneys. D1 and D2 are different animals.   :)


Ralph Turner

I am having trouble finding the 2012 Division III Baseball Handbook on the NCAA website.

Has it been released?

108 Stitches


CrashDavisD3

Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 06, 2012, 12:56:52 AM
I don't think so, this is all that I could find.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4182-2010-2011-ncaa-division-iii-manual.aspx
You would think the NCAA could publish this document before baseball season starts and not in the middle to late in the season. Not sure why this is so difficult. It is not like is rewritten from scratch eacy year.
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Ralph Turner

Reconciling with the Handbook
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on November 26, 2011, 09:01:38 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on November 26, 2011, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2011, 07:11:20 PM
Watching Turkey Day football...

My first guess at Pool B will be 26 schools, and 2 Pool B bids.

(I don't think that the access ratio will be less than 1:8.25.)

Central Region:  (3)
Univ. of Chicago(IND) 
Nebraska Wesleyan(IND)
Washington U St Louis (UAA)

Mid-Atlantic:  (1) 0
Lancaster Bible  (IND) Gone to the NEAC.   Incorrectly noted in the Handbook as Independent
Baptist Bible College is noted in the Handbook as independent. The BBC website lists the NCCAA Regionals on the schedule.

Mideast:  (2)
Case Western Reserve (UAA)
Finlandia(IND)

Midwest:  (0 1) 
North Central U MN (IND)

New England:  (8  2)
Brandeis (UAA)
U Maine-Presque Isle(IND)

New York:  (12  10)
Baruch (CUNYAC)
City College of New York  (CUNYAC)
Ithaca (E8)
John Jay (CUNYAC)
Lehman  (CUNYAC)
Rochester Institute of Technology (E8)
St John Fisher (E8)
College of Staten Island (CUNYAC)
Stevens Tech (E8)
Utica (E8)
Yeshiva (CUNYAC)  Skyline conference
St Joseph's -- Brooklyn (IND)Competing in the USCAA Tourney on May 6-7-8, 2012

South:  (6)
Emory (UAA)
Huntingdon (GSAC)
LaGrange (GSAC)
Maryville (GSAC)
Piedmont (GSAC)
Rust(IND)

West:  (2 0)
Chapman(IND)  Gone to Pool C and the SCIAC
Univ of Dallas(IND)  Gone to the SCAC



Corrections appreciated.  Thanks.

Nice to ponder as we inch our ay to Spring.
Rochester Institute of Technology is in the Liberty League starting 2012. Would that make a difference?
Will UDallas in 2012 be eligible for Pool C only or Pool A SCAC also? UDallas is Pool A eligible in the SCAC.

26 schools but only 2 bids   1:13 ratio with my math should they not be 3 pool bids with a 1:8 ration?

CrashDavisD3

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El Hombre


The 2012 NCAA handbook states that there will be 2 "Pool B" teams (and 16 Pool C).

Based on the RPI ratings (calculated by Johnny U), the eligible Pool B teams are currently ranked as follows:

Win%   OWP   OOWP   SOS     RPI   Rank   School        In-Region   W   L
0.808   0.676   0.501   0.618   0.665    1     Ithaca   NY   10   2
0.875   0.524   0.548   0.532   0.617    2     Washington U.        21   3
0.455   0.642   0.491   0.592   0.558    3     Chapman   W   10   12
0.704   0.503   0.465   0.490   0.544    4     Emory   S   19   8
0.655   0.538   0.440   0.505   0.543    5     Piedmont   S   19   10
0.650   0.502   0.507   0.504   0.540    6     Case Western Reserve   ME   19   10
0.684   0.473   0.523   0.490   0.538    7     St. John Fisher   NY   13   6

BigPoppa

As bad as Chapman has been, their SoS is keeping them in the race.
Baseball is not a game that builds character, it is a game that reveals it.

CrashDavisD3

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Quote from: BigPoppa on April 14, 2012, 11:10:13 AM
As bad as Chapman has been, their SoS is keeping them in the race.
Remaining games. Chapman has 4 with Linfield, 1 with Cal Lu, 3 with Redlands and 3 with Whitman. I really believe they are out of it IMO.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html