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David Collinge

Quote from: tigersports on January 04, 2006, 04:15:12 PM
I question those who thought that Oxy was slowed by bad calls. Oxy got a nice little hometown boost from this SCIAC crew as Amherst was out of fouls six minutes into the second half.

This is quite true; the foul calls in the second half were lopsided in Oxy's favor.  Any advantage gained was offset at least in part by the poor free throw shooting on the part of Oxy.  Amherst may have suffered from foul trouble, for all I know; I do believe that their #41, who was guarding Betty, was in foul trouble, but since he was not very effective anyway I don't see that as a problem.

Although most of the fouls were called on the Jeffs, the two cheap second-half fouls called on McBride had a huge impact on the game.  With him either on the bench or in the game but sagging off of the ball handler, Amherst was able to get into their offense with much more ease, and that was a big factor in their comeback. 

I never complain about officials, and I won't start now.  I appreciate what they do; in short, they make our game possible.  But last night was an example of how a foul disparity on paper may not have translated into an advantage/disadvantage situation.

OXY Oswald

I feel like I was misunderstood, the game is never in the officials hands.  I felt a few of the calls, namely against McBride, were ticky-tacky.  Amherst mauled the Tigers under the boards, some call it hustle, I call it missed calls. 

Either way, great game for the Tigers, nothing was decided by the officiating.  Sorry for the confusion.
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Pat Coleman

Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 04, 2006, 12:02:05 PM
Is there a season preview/outlook available on d3hoops?  I know there is one for d3football. 

Just wondering, I was interested in reading up on some of the teams around the conference as well as the national picture.

Yep, we do previews on hoops too. We get a similar amount of SCIAC participation on both sites.

http://www.d3hoops.com/preview.php
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OXY Oswald

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2006, 01:11:02 AM

Yep, we do previews on hoops too. We get a similar amount of SCIAC participation on both sites.

http://www.d3hoops.com/preview.php

Thanks Pat, I'm guessing that it is SCIAC SID's responsibility to provide D3 hoops with a preview (and that is why there isn't a preview for any SCIAC team except Redlands).
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WestCoastWhiner

Alright all.  Back from the Southland after watching the Tiger Classic and the National Championship at the Rose Bowl.  Two nights of great games, glad I made the trip.  I have to admit that Amherst 20 point blow out over PP had me thinking about yet another blown opportunity in the SCIAC's quest to get out of the bottom tier of DIII hoops conferences.  Oxy's hard-fought W over a pretty good Whitworth team (before the tournament I thought they would be a lock for 2nd place in the NWC and be right there for a bid) gave me hope.  PP looked excellent against Whitworth.  Their D frustrated the strength of Whitworth, outside shooting.  Yet further proof that if you give Kats the oppornity to scout an opponent, nobody is better at taking away what teams are good at. 

Oxy's game against Amherst was just what I expected it to be, a winter game in So Cal where crowds are never factors and you get to see some great DIII ball.  Contrary to what folks have said here, nobody had any crowd advantage.  Amherst probably brought almost as many people as showed up for Oxy.  And throughout the game the loudest cheering was coming from both benches. 

But those who were there were treated to a great game.  Hats off to Oxy's coaching staff for their defensive adjustments.  The great shooting that we saw from Amherst against Pomona was negated.  They simply didn't get many open looks.  Oxy's 2 big men played like studs all night.  Rebounding well and running a clinic on catching the ball in the post and being able to score with a mid range J or  drive with either hand.  Betty should and will get All-America votes if he could eliminate his mental funks that prevent him from showing up every night.  The kid was hands down the best player on the floor.  Super solid play at the other positions by Oxy most of the night.  Oxy's kids believed from the minute that the ball went up that they could not only play, but beat this team.  The W wasn't a fluke.  What a great victory for Oxy and for the entire SCIAC. 

Now, having said all of that, I will try to bring everyone down to earth again.  PP is STILL the team to beat.   Don't let the Amherst game fool you.  Just as sure as they are to lose the first round game, they will win the 3 close games in the SCIAC that you need for a banner.  PP has back to back titles,four all conference guys in Lloyd, Hollo, Wexler-beron and Knowles.  But even if they didn't they have Kats, the King of the SCIAC.  CMS and Oxy are right there nose and nose for 2nd (see CMS road wins at pt loma and westmont).   

Oxy had a great, great win for us.  A great statement for our conference that possibly our 3rd best team can play better than the 4th ranked national team.  Oxy is absolutely fearless outside of the conference and has been for several years.  New mantra at Oxy should be "Anywhere, anytime - as long as it isn't a road game in the SCIAC."   





   
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OXY Oswald

Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 05, 2006, 04:36:38 PM
Contrary to what folks have said here, nobody had any crowd advantage.  Amherst probably brought almost as many people as showed up for Oxy. 

I felt Oxy had a great showing, especially a couple days after the New Year.  Amherst fans, while in pretty good numbers, were silient the majority of the game (maybe they were shocked by the Tigers  ???).  The students come back in a couple weeks and both the team and Coach Newhall appriciate the significant amount of support they get at home and on road trips.  Last year Newhall provided buses for students to a good portion of the Tigers away games, giving them a nice fan base while away from home. 

Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 05, 2006, 04:36:38 PM
Oxy had a great, great win for us.  A great statement for our conference that possibly our 3rd best team can play better than the 4th ranked national team.  Oxy is absolutely fearless outside of the conference and has been for several years.  New mantra at Oxy should be "Anywhere, anytime - as long as it isn't a road game in the SCIAC."   

I think OXY is in a great position to do big things in conference this year, 3rd place is an understatement of their potential.  However, the Tigers do tend to fall apart on the road... let's see how they do at La Verne this week.

Go Tigers!
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Tough days for Tiger Football.

David Collinge

Oxy had a definite crowd advantage.  It wasn't a big crowd, and a fair number of Amherst fans were in attendance, and the key cheerleaders were the bench players, all of this is true.  But the fact remains that the place was electric and very pro-Oxy in the last 5 minutes of the game.  The Oxy bench would start a cheer of "De-Fense (clap, clap)" and the crowd would respond.  The Amherst fans, by contrast, were pretty quiet.  In fact, a far smaller crowd brought by Puget Sound to Westmont last week was much louder and more enthusiastic than the mostly quiet Amherst fans.  I'd be flabbergasted if the Oxy players didn't agree that the crowd's enthusiasm was a factor in their late-game play.

I only saw the one game of the Oxy Classic, so I can't comment on how Oxy compares to other SCIAC teams.  But the simple fact that Oxy beat Amherst by 5 a day after Amherst beat P-P by 19 raises a reasonable inference that Oxy is the better team.  Fortunately, it'll be settled on the floor and not left to debate.

WestCoastWhiner

Those who were there were making noise, but it didn't seem like that many people were there.  Lots of empty spaces.  Having said that, I do agree that for a winter break game, it was nice to see more than just parents in attendance.  If DJ is right and nobody cares about hoops at PP other than the CMS game, then Oxy has created a unique SCIAC culture.  There seems to 'rock star' effect (DIII style) at Eagle Rock.   Good to see.  

I also agree that Oxy clearly has the potential to beat Kats as well as CMS.   I'd bet that the Amherst coach would be surprised if Oxy didn't beat Amherst.  The thing is, the PP team that shows up against Oxy, against CMS & against CLU, will be much better than the team that showed up against Amherst.  Just like the Hens showed against Whitworth.  Only a great coach could get a team to overcome a whipping like that in less than 24 hours.  

Why PP can't play better against national teams continues to puzzle me.  Nothing highlighted that more than the Amherst game.  Had that game been on the road, DJ and other PP fans would be on the thread talking about how hard it is to win away from home.  It wasn't.  Was it Oxy playing at home?  Oxy's loud 50 fans in my opinion just weren't enough to give Oxy that much more of an advantage.   So why the blow out?  

My theory: the CMS & Oxy tourneys are part of Kats's development strategy.  His major focus in those games are in giving his kids an opportunity to play in two gyms that will be important to them in a couple of weeks.  Does he play to lose?  Never.  I just think that he uses the pre-season to build, tinker and prepare for those 3-4 close SCIAC games.  Historically it always works for him.  Look at the banners.  

Unfortunately, a 20 point beating by an Amherst team that Oxy beats the next night will definitely hurt his team against a more talented Puget Sound team.   If Amherst beats them by 20, what is Puget Sound going to think when the Hens roll into Tacoma?  



   

   
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dj_hyphen

Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 05, 2006, 08:27:54 PM
 Had that game been on the road, DJ and other PP fans would be on the thread talking about how hard it is to win away from home.

??? huh?  Why are you including my name in that specifically?  Obviously I do think it's hard to win games on the road, but when have I used that as an excuse for losing a game?

but anyway, I'm not sure why PP struggles against some of the national teams every now and then...but i do know that the vast majority of the emphasis there is placed on league games.  That's what the players get up for the most, while other SCIAC teams seem to get up more for playing non-conference games.  Actually, without any statistical research on this (sup Sager), it seems like both CMS and PP seem to lose more of these than perhaps they should, while schools like La Verne, Whittier, and Redlands play better out of conference than in.  Of course, Oxy is leading the way with both their non-conference schedule and their impressive play in those games.  Like someone mentioned though, it seems they ALWAYS lose a game on the road that they shouldn't in league and that comes back to bite them.  If you want to beat out PP, CMS, or CLU, you might be able to survive a road loss to one of those schools, but you certaintly can't do that AND drop one at La Verne

As for league, like I mentioned a few posts back, I would assume Oxy's the favorite, but I have no doubt that my PP boys will be contending as always.  I'll actually be down there to root them on in the always brutally tough home game vs. Cal Tech and the usual cakewalk that is CMS.  Oh wait, i think i got those mixed up

WestCoastWhiner

Check out some of the posts in the Amherst thread.  Folks over there are talking about tough West Coast programs like Oxy & Pomona.  I can't believe what I am seeing.  I love it.  Thanks Oxy. 

"I've won at every level, except grade school, junior high, high school and college."

Gregory Sager

Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 06, 2006, 12:18:49 PM
Check out some of the posts in the Amherst thread.  Folks over there are talking about tough West Coast programs like Oxy & Pomona.  I can't believe what I am seeing.  I love it.  Thanks Oxy. 

Yeah, it's nice to see if you're a SCIAC fan. But keep in mind that Amherst and Williams fans are in constant CYA mode, because those two fan bases are absolutely merciless towards each other. To read the NESCAC room, you'd think that neither team ever played an unworthy opponent out of region. Nobody will admit to it, because it gives the other team's fans an edge in their endless arguments.

Also, while the NESCAC has some really top-notch programs, let's keep in mind that they play in a substandard region. There's not a whole lot of perspective there in terms of gauging the talent in other regions. And I doubt that anyone who posts in that room was actually in Cali watching the Lord Jeffs play this week.

I'm not badmouthing Oxy's win over Amherst. It is certainly a very gaudy and much-needed feather in the cap of the 2005-06 SCIAC. I'm just saying that you should take the banter about Oxy and PP in the NESCAC room with a grain of salt.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

WestCoastWhiner

I will GS, good points.  But can you get Oxy some love in the next votes for Top 20?  They were #4 and although there is probably merit to what you said about their region, Amherst is a very good team capable of going on another deep tourney run.  Can't the One L to the NAIA D1 runner up and current #2 team and the Whitworth/Amherst wins get us back on the list?  Folks are voting Hanover in there with 4 losses and 2 other teams have 3 losses.  We understand that we don't play many games against other D3 teams so it is hard for the rest of the country to gauge us.  But how about some love? 

"I've won at every level, except grade school, junior high, high school and college."

OXY Oswald

Go TIGERS!!!

Tough days for Tiger Football.

Gregory Sager

Alas, WCW, I don't have that kind of clout.

I can, however, make a few predictions. The win over Amherst will suitably impress enough voters to get Oxy a lot more than their current modest total of 11 points in the Top 25 poll. Look for them to move up in the next poll into the top five or so in the Others Receiving Votes category (i.e., about #30 or so if you extend the Top 25 downward to number every team that gets a vote). The other prediction I would make is that Pat Coleman would respond to any pleas to give Oxy some love with something along the lines of, "The Tigers are only 3-0 against D3 competition, since LaSierra is a probie that doesn't count -- nor should they, since they're easily one of the worst teams in the country. And 7-4 Whitworth and 8-6 Chapman just aren't good enough to bolster the rep of Oxy all by themselves alongside Amherst, especially since the win over Whitworth was only by one point in the Oxy gym."

Me, I'd at least give some thought to voting Oxy into my #25 slot, although I wouldn't promise anything without a closer perusal of the other teams at the top of the ORV list. But I know how Pat and the voters think; they put a lot of stock in how a team plays against D3 comp, and Oxy just hasn't played enough D3 teams to date. It's the same syndrome that Hope usually fights every season.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

WestCoastWhiner

Appreciate the insight.  The curse of being isolated and not having a travel budget.  Same thing happened a few years ago with Oxy went the entire year without a D3 loss until the Elite 8.  Couldn't get much love then, although PC at least was paying attention.  PC, one win is one win but please think of us kindly.

"I've won at every level, except grade school, junior high, high school and college."