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OzJohnnie

Quote from: AO on March 21, 2023, 02:07:58 PM
Wow, the Johnnies must have been eating good when the food was 3 times more expensive than the room.

It's all relative, I guess.  They could have been living like Oliver Twist where a bowl of gruel costs three times more than some muddy cobblestones to sleep on.
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sjusection105

Quote from: OzJohnnie on March 21, 2023, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: AO on March 21, 2023, 02:07:58 PM
Wow, the Johnnies must have been eating good when the food was 3 times more expensive than the room.

It's all relative, I guess.  They could have been living like Oliver Twist where a bowl of gruel costs three times more than some muddy cobblestones to sleep on.
And, it was the 1950's where you could buy a 40 acre farm with a 4 bedroom house, barn and miscellaneous out buildings for under $10,000 in central MN.
As of now they're on DOUBLE SECRET Probation!

retagent

Just now learning of 57's passing, and Mrs 67. Sad, but somehow not. Thanks for the obit posting.

art76

Finally was able to finish listening to the February 20 PodCast where Pat and Greg talk about the future of the D3 Football playoffs. If you're like me and have put off listening to it, perhaps go back and take a listen. I'll go on record as a fan by saying I would be in favor of adding in a week of "play-in" games at the beginning of the play-offs makes the most sense. Especially if they were done by the 500 mile proximity rules. Without putting too much thought into it, one would suspect having 8 or 16 teams playing the first week to get in to the field of 32 would help out immensely, giving up to half of the teams a week break before they had to play.

How those teams to play in that first week of the play-offs were determined is a whole 'nother discussion, which was discussed in part in the PodCast. I suspect it would be some combination of record, how many teams were in your conference, and how you played against teams not in your conference.

Definitely a bone to gnaw on during the non-football weeks of the year...
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SagatagSam

I agree with your position, 76. The other piece in this puzzle, especially as we try to forecast out beyond 2025, is how the "Demographic Cliff" is going to affect D3. Finlandia (Michigan) is closing this year, Whittier and Occidental have cut their football programs recently, and there will be certainly more to follow. While it's easy to look at Finlandia's case and write it off (it had an endowment of $5M), Whittier and Oxy (with rich history and hundreds of millions of dollars in endowment) are not so easy dismissed. I would not be surprised if the demographic cliff rose to the level of impacting one or several conferences' automatic bid status--especially in the Northeast (see quote from the linked article, below).

https://www.cupahr.org/issue/feature/higher-ed-enrollment-cliff/

[...] "the Northeast, where a disproportionate share of the nation's colleges and universities are located, is expected to be the hardest hit. By contrast, mountain states, where there are fewer students and fewer colleges ... may see slight increases in student demand," as could institutions in the Southwest due to high rates of immigration over the past several years — although immigration has slowed considerably as of late.


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art76

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Quote from: art76 on March 26, 2023, 04:52:18 PM
I'll go on record as a fan by saying I would be in favor of adding in a week of "play-in" games at the beginning of the play-offs makes the most sense. Especially if they were done by the 500 mile proximity rules. Without putting too much thought into it, one would suspect having 8 or 16 teams playing the first week to get in to the field of 32 would help out immensely, giving up to half of the teams a week break before they had to play.

After mulling this over a little more yesterday, there are some "fall-out" things to consider as well. Re-writing the play-off rules so that it is clear at the beginning of the season which kind of conferences get automatic bids and which kinds would have to play-in that first week. Then the number of at-large teams could be determined by the number of "openings" left in that first week of bracketing. This is the part that the NCAA has to get by all its members, even the ones that don't have football, if I understand things correctly. One of the hurdles to be cleared is the idea of ranking or seeding, because it is not working by not doing this. The other big one is the 500 mile rule. Once we all can agree that there are 8 top seed AQ teams, the brackets can be, and ought to be, set so that none of the top 8 AQ teams play each other until the final three rounds. This gives other teams a chance to break into those final three rounds by earning it, not having one of the titans knock each other out early. This means more airfares.

Then the next 8 AQ teams ranked would be put in the bracket based on ranking and the 500 mile proximity to the first 8 AQ teams. This means that none of the top 16 AQ teams could see each other in the first round. The final 16 teams in the bracket would be selected by AQs still left that are not one of the top 16 AQ teams, and at large bids. The number of at-large teams would be determined by the size of the play-in field determined by the NCAA before the season begins.

The following example is purely speculative and I don't have any particular teams in mind with it. Let's speculate that there will be 30 AQs granted by the NCAA next year for football play-offs. The top 16 get plucked out of the first week of playoffs. The remaining 14 plus 18 at-large teams get to play-in for the remaining 16 spots. (Hopefully, no flights in this first round.) This results in two straight weeks with 16 games being played at the end of the season. It also means two "reveal" shows where teams find out who they play. The first show sets the top 16, and who the remaining 32 teams play to get into the big dance. The second show sends the winners packing to one of the top 16 teams.

In my mind, this would get as many deserving teams in as possible. Is it perfect? No, but it seems more fair than how we'll be forced to participate in the future if changes are not enacted. Lots of looming questions remain, like, what is the criteria for the top 16 and remaining 32 for initial games? And, how does this kind of bracket work out in other sports?
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Pat Coleman

I don't know that we would have to (or want to) delineate which conferences play in play-in games and which get byes to the round of 32. Some years that will mix. Some years you might have a 10-0 Midwest Conference team that merits a 6 seed and escapes the first weekend (where it might be 7 vs. 10, 8 vs. 9). Other years that conference winner might be 8-2 and would be a 9 or 10 seed on the road. We can let the seeding decide.
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art76

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
I don't know that we would have to (or want to) delineate which conferences play in play-in games and which get byes to the round of 32. Some years that will mix. Some years you might have a 10-0 Midwest Conference team that merits a 6 seed and escapes the first weekend (where it might be 7 vs. 10, 8 vs. 9). Other years that conference winner might be 8-2 and would be a 9 or 10 seed on the road. We can let the seeding decide.

Agreed - every year would have a different set of "top teams" based on criteria.
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Pat Coleman

I don't think it can ever be clear early in the season. These first-round games don't have to be artificially seeded like the March Madness bracket.
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OzJohnnie

Oh, man, Hawthorn are playing like an utter rabble this year.  Very painful.  These things can turn quickly but sheesh.  I'll be cheering very small victories this season like a nice handpass or a quick exchange at the boundary line.  I think there will be very few actual victories to get excited about.
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DuffMan

St. Cloud Orthopedics Feature: SJU Football Begins Spring Practice

Of note:
QuoteThe Johnnies added several transfers at the semester break, each of whom are taking part in spring workouts.  They are:

•    Eli Olson, a 6-foot-4, 290-pound offensive lineman who started three seasons at Mankato East High School before committing to Division II Minnesota-Duluth where he spent last season.

•    Joey Moberg, a 5-10, 200-pound wide receiver from St. Paul Johnson who spent the past two seasons at FCS Sacred Heart (Conn.).

•    Cooper Downs, a 6-3, 205-pound quarterback who was at SJU in 2020 and 2021, but transferred to Division III Central (Iowa) last season.

Downs returning is an interesting development.  ???

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SagatagSam

Quote from: DuffMan on March 30, 2023, 01:28:49 PM
St. Cloud Orthopedics Feature: SJU Football Begins Spring Practice

Of note:
QuoteThe Johnnies added several transfers at the semester break, each of whom are taking part in spring workouts.  They are:

•    Eli Olson, a 6-foot-4, 290-pound offensive lineman who started three seasons at Mankato East High School before committing to Division II Minnesota-Duluth where he spent last season.

•    Joey Moberg, a 5-10, 200-pound wide receiver from St. Paul Johnson who spent the past two seasons at FCS Sacred Heart (Conn.).

•    Cooper Downs, a 6-3, 205-pound quarterback who was at SJU in 2020 and 2021, but transferred to Division III Central (Iowa) last season.

Downs returning is an interesting development.  ???

Cooper is going to have to compete with that Kristoff Kowalkowski fella for the starting spot this year. I don't know if you all know this, but that Kristoff, I hear he's a transfer from Division I St. Thomas and has an absolute cannon of an arm.

Sing us a song, you're the piano man
Sing us a song tonight
Well, we're all in the mood for a melody
And you've got us feelin' alright.

DuffMan

Quote from: SagatagSam on March 30, 2023, 02:04:27 PM
Cooper is going to have to compete with that Kristoff Kowalkowski fella for the starting spot this year.

Your reference is not lost on me, but unless you've heard otherwise, Syverson should be back this year.

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jamtod

Quote from: DuffMan on March 30, 2023, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: SagatagSam on March 30, 2023, 02:04:27 PM
Cooper is going to have to compete with that Kristoff Kowalkowski fella for the starting spot this year.

Your reference is not lost on me, but unless you've heard otherwise, Syverson should be back this year.

I want Kristoff to get the job just on the off chance his dad becomes active here, for the entertainment value

DuffMan

The fact that "his dad" has not graced us with his presence here severely disappoints me.  :'(

A tradition unrivaled...
MIAC Champions: 1932, 1935, 1936, 1938, 1953, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1982, 1985, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022
National Champions: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003