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Title: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 08:37:27 AM
Records of D3 conferences vs D3 Non Conference Opponents was a subject of interest at the end of last season, so I will post (as regularly as time allows) these records during the season..

After games of 11/15/16



1   NESCAC      0   0   #DIV/0!
2   NWC      0   0   #DIV/0!
3   IIAC      6   1   0.857
4   NJAC      5   1   0.833
5   MACF      4   1   0.800
6   LL      7   2   0.778
7   MIAC      6   2   0.750
8   Sky      3   1   0.750
9   WIAC      3   1   0.750
10   LEC      5   2   0.714
11   MACC      5   2   0.714
12   Newmac      5   2   0.714
13   CAC      6   3   0.667
14   MIAA      2   1   0.667
15   ODAC      6   4   0.600
16   NCAC      3   2   0.600
17   NAC      4   3   0.571
18   SCAC      4   3   0.571
19   ASC      3   3   0.500
20   CCIW      3   3   0.500
21   OAC      3   3   0.500
22   Independents      2   2   0.500
23   SCIAC      1   1   0.500
24   GNAC      4   5   0.444
25   CC      3   4   0.429
26   CSAC      3   4   0.429
27   SUNY      3   4   0.429
28   UAA      3   4   0.429
29   USAC      3   4   0.429
30   SLIAC      2   3   0.400
31   CCC      3   5   0.375
32   NEAC      3   5   0.375
33   AMCC      3   6   0.333
34   E8      3   6   0.333
35   Mascac      2   4   0.333
36   NACC      2   4   0.333
37   PrAC      2   4   0.333
38   HCAC      1   2   0.333
39   UMAC      2   5   0.286
40   CUNY      2   6   0.250
41   NECC      2   6   0.250
42   Landmark      1   3   0.250
43   SAA      1   3   0.250
44   MWC      1   5   0.167
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 16, 2016, 01:21:49 PM
Thanks hopefan! This is great. Surprised no conference went undefeated on day 1.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2016, 01:35:49 PM
The WIAC did go 3-1, Point losing to St. Olaf, but Eau Claire and River Falls beat Top 10 opponents in #4 St. Norbert and #10 St. Thomas.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2016, 05:42:36 AM
D3 conferences vs D3 Non Conference Opponents

Through games of 11/16

1   NESCAC      0   0   #DIV/0!
2   NWC      0   0   #DIV/0!
3   IIAC      6   1   0.857
4   NJAC      5   1   0.833
5   MACF      4   1   0.800
6   LL      7   2   0.778
7   MIAC      6   2   0.750
8   Sky      3   1   0.750
9   WIAC      3   1   0.750
10   LEC      5   2   0.714
11   MACC      5   2   0.714
12   CAC      6   3   0.667
13   MIAA      2   1   0.667
14   Newmac      5   3   0.625
15   ODAC      6   4   0.600
16   HCAC      3   2   0.600
17   Independents      3   2   0.600
18   ASC      4   3   0.571
19   NAC      4   3   0.571
20   SCAC      4   3   0.571
21   USAC      4   4   0.500
22   CCIW      3   3   0.500
23   NCAC      3   3   0.500
24   OAC      3   3   0.500
25   SCIAC      1   1   0.500
26   CCC      4   5   0.444
27   CC      3   4   0.429
28   CSAC      3   4   0.429
29   NACC      3   4   0.429
30   SUNY      3   4   0.429
31   UAA      3   4   0.429
32   GNAC      4   6   0.400
33   SLIAC      2   3   0.400
34   NEAC      3   5   0.375
35   AMCC      3   6   0.333
36   E8      3   6   0.333
37   Mascac      2   4   0.333
38   PrAC      2   5   0.286
39   UMAC      2   5   0.286
40   CUNY      2   6   0.250
41   NECC      2   6   0.250
42   Landmark      1   3   0.250
43   SAA      1   5   0.167
44   MWC      1   6   0.143

Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2016, 09:13:10 AM
+ 1k Nice idea and great work!
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2016, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2016, 09:13:10 AM
+ 1k Nice idea and great work!

Thanks for the complement... !!!!
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2016, 07:24:30 AM
Through games of 11/17

1   NESCAC      0   0   #DIV/0!
2   NWC      0   0   #DIV/0!
3   IIAC      6   1   0.857
4   NJAC      5   1   0.833
5   MACF      4   1   0.800
6   WIAC      4   1   0.800
7   LL      7   2   0.778
8   LEC      6   2   0.750
9   MIAC      6   2   0.750
10   Sky      3   1   0.750
11   MACC      5   2   0.714
12   CAC      6   3   0.667
13   Newmac      6   3   0.667
14   MIAA      2   1   0.667
15   NAC      5   3   0.625
16   ODAC      6   4   0.600
17   HCAC      3   2   0.600
18   Independents      3   2   0.600
19   ASC      5   4   0.556
20   SCAC      5   4   0.556
21   USAC      4   4   0.500
22   CCIW      3   3   0.500
23   NCAC      3   3   0.500
24   OAC      3   3   0.500
25   SLIAC      3   3   0.500
26   SCIAC      1   1   0.500
27   CC      3   4   0.429
28   CSAC      3   4   0.429
29   SUNY      3   4   0.429
30   AMCC      4   6   0.400
31   CCC      4   6   0.400
32   NACC      4   6   0.400
33   NEAC      3   5   0.375
34   UAA      3   5   0.375
35   E8      3   6   0.333
36   NECC      3   6   0.333
37   Mascac      2   4   0.333
38   GNAC      4   9   0.308
39   PrAC      2   5   0.286
40   CUNY      2   6   0.250
41   UMAC      2   6   0.250
42   Landmark      1   3   0.250
43   SAA      1   5   0.167
44   MWC      1   6   0.143

Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: mailsy on November 18, 2016, 08:42:28 AM
Just an fyi. The CSAC is actually 4-3 against D3 non conference.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: mailsy on November 18, 2016, 08:42:28 AM
Just an fyi. The CSAC is actually 4-3 against D3 non conference.

Mailsy... thanks... I'm no expert, but your comment helped me find out that when I copy scores from D3hoops down to a spreadsheet, a 3 digit score, ie 103, is NOT greater than a 2 digit score, ie 97  (it sees the 1 vs the 9)... consequently, I'll have to do some correcting... that will be reflected in standings tomorrow
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 18, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 18, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: mailsy on November 18, 2016, 08:42:28 AM
Just an fyi. The CSAC is actually 4-3 against D3 non conference.

Mailsy... thanks... I'm no expert, but your comment helped me find out that when I copy scores from D3hoops down to a spreadsheet, a 3 digit score, ie 103, is NOT greater than a 2 digit score, ie 97  (it sees the 1 vs the 9)... consequently, I'll have to do some correcting... that will be reflected in standings tomorrow

I'm no expert, either, but it seems like there should be a cell formatting fix for that so you don't have to make the changes individually -- as well as having the copied info from d3hoops auto-formatted when it is entered in the spreadsheet. Fortunately, this won't happen often.  :)
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2016, 02:05:48 PM
Talked to an expert, got the necessary fix. 😉
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2016, 06:59:21 AM
Through games of 11/20    corrections made 





1   SCIAC      5   1   0.833
2   NESCAC      17   5   0.773
3   IIAC      16   5   0.762
4   UAA      13   5   0.722
5   LEC      14   6   0.700
6   LL      15   7   0.682
7   OAC      16   8   0.667
8   Newmac      14   7   0.667
9   MACF      13   7   0.650
10   WIAC      9   5   0.643
11   CC      14   8   0.636
12   CCIW      12   7   0.632
13   HCAC      12   7   0.632
14   CAC      18   11   0.621
15   Landmark      11   7   0.611
16   E8      14   9   0.609
17   MACC      14   9   0.609
18   SUNY      15   10   0.600
19   MIAC      13   9   0.591
20   ODAC      19   14   0.576
21   NAC      13   10   0.565
22   MIAA      10   8   0.556
23   ASC      11   9   0.550
24   CCC      12   13   0.480
25   NCAC      10   11   0.476
26   SLIAC      11   13   0.458
27   SCAC      10   12   0.455
28   CSAC      9   11   0.450
29   PrAC      9   11   0.450
30   NJAC      10   13   0.435
31   NWC      4   6   0.400
32   USAC      10   16   0.385
33   Mascac      7   12   0.368
34   MWC      5   9   0.357
35   NECC      7   13   0.350
36   CUNY      8   16   0.333
37   SAA      5   10   0.333
38   AMCC      8   17   0.320
39   NACC      6   13   0.316
40   UMAC      6   14   0.300
41   Independents      6   20   0.231
42   Sky      6   21   0.222
43   NEAC      5   20   0.200
44   GNAC      3   20   0.130
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2016, 10:55:04 AM
The CCIW is 13-7, Hopefan, not 12-7. (Augie 3-0, IWU 3-0, Carroll 2-0, Carthage 2-0, NPU 1-0, Wheaton 2-1, NCC 0-0, Elmhurst 0-3, Millikin 0-3)
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2016, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2016, 10:55:04 AM
The CCIW is 13-7, Hopefan, not 12-7. (Augie 3-0, IWU 3-0, Carroll 2-0, Carthage 2-0, NPU 1-0, Wheaton 2-1, NCC 0-0, Elmhurst 0-3, Millikin 0-3)

Greg.. I could give you the big tease.. but I won't... I'm right on this one... Remember, this is against D3 competition only... one of Carthage's wins was against Robert Morris Peoria, So Carthage is 1-0....    Glad you didn't find another fault in my program!!
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2016, 11:14:31 AM
Ah, my fault for not reading the header of the board! Sorry about that!
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2016, 07:24:15 AM
To my knowledge, a complete Rust College schedule is still not posted anywhere.. it's not on their site, and the 18 game schedule on the D3hoops site is obviously missing Rust games with non D3 opponents.  And we know finding a Rust score is often like a scavenger hunt, but only if we know when they're playing!... Well, Rust is coming to Webster this Friday, (supposedly), so I will make an attempt to talk to ANYONE from Rust who is there to try to find out who else they are playing.  I'll put the schedule to info@Dhoops if I find it...  OR, has someone else already found it?
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: smedindy on November 22, 2016, 03:11:11 PM
If I was a player or parent of a Rust College team, I'd complain to holy heck on why their site isn't updated with schedule, stats, rosters, etc.

*Speaking from experience when a parent lambasted an SID I worked with about two typos and a missing blocked shot (that wasn't a block since it never left the hand of the player 'shooting'). We called it a steal instead.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2016, 04:26:10 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 22, 2016, 03:11:11 PM
If I was a player or parent of a Rust College team, I'd complain to holy heck on why their site isn't updated with schedule, stats, rosters, etc.

*Speaking from experience when a parent lambasted an SID I worked with about two typos and a missing blocked shot (that wasn't a block since it never left the hand of the player 'shooting'). We called it a steal instead.

As an independent with no conference affiliation Rust answers to no one -- certainly not the readers and posters of this site. And I expect the players, and the parents of most of its student athletes, have bigger things to worry about than schedules, stats, and rosters.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2016, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2016, 04:26:10 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 22, 2016, 03:11:11 PM
If I was a player or parent of a Rust College team, I'd complain to holy heck on why their site isn't updated with schedule, stats, rosters, etc.

*Speaking from experience when a parent lambasted an SID I worked with about two typos and a missing blocked shot (that wasn't a block since it never left the hand of the player 'shooting'). We called it a steal instead.

As an independent with no conference affiliation Rust answers to no one -- certainly not the readers and posters of this site. And I expect the players, and the parents of most of its student athletes, have bigger things to worry about than schedules, stats, and rosters.

WOW.. disagree 100% Yjack... talking with a parent who traveled over 1000 miles to see their kid just last night, it's extremely important to most to see the games, the results etc, ANYTHING...  AND, Rust answers to the NCAA...they need results at regional rating time, selection time etc.  D3 gets negligible sports coverage in many geographic areas.. Rust owes it to the kids, families, and fans to have the basic information out there.  I emailed them probably 15 times this fall on THEIR response system for their schedule.. never heard ANY response.  I think it's a reflection of a poorly managed athletic department.  How would you feel if, as a supporter of the Webster program, you could find nothing on the net.. no schedules, no stats, no articles.. would you still be able to follow the teams? 
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
Thru games of 11/22
D3 vs Non conference D3



1   NESCAC      28   5   0.848
2   IIAC      18   6   0.750
3   SCIAC      6   2   0.750
4   OAC      21   8   0.724
5   UAA      16   7   0.696
6   MACF      18   8   0.692
7   WIAC      13   6   0.684
8   CCIW      19   9   0.679
9   Newmac      19   10   0.655
10   CAC      22   12   0.647
11   CC      14   8   0.636
12   SUNY      20   12   0.625
13   LEC      16   10   0.615
14   MIAC      16   10   0.615
15   Landmark      15   10   0.600
16   E8      17   12   0.586
17   LL      16   12   0.571
18   NAC      16   12   0.571
19   MACC      17   13   0.567
20   HCAC      13   10   0.565
21   ASC      12   10   0.545
22   ODAC      21   18   0.538
23   PrAC      14   12   0.538
24   MIAA      10   9   0.526
25   SCAC      11   13   0.458
26   NCAC      12   15   0.444
27   NJAC      10   13   0.435
28   SLIAC      12   16   0.429
29   SAA      9   12   0.429
30   CCC      14   19   0.424
31   USAC      14   20   0.412
32   CSAC      9   13   0.409
33   CUNY      13   19   0.406
34   NWC      4   6   0.400
35   MWC      6   10   0.375
36   NECC      10   17   0.370
37   Mascac      9   17   0.346
38   AMCC      10   21   0.323
39   Independents      9   23   0.281
40   NACC      7   18   0.280
41   UMAC      7   20   0.259
42   Sky      9   28   0.243
43   GNAC      6   25   0.194
44   NEAC      6   28   0.176
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 23, 2016, 09:30:55 AM
Okay. Now you're making sense. But I still think Rust is a different animal.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: smedindy on November 23, 2016, 01:35:25 PM
It really doesn't take that long to update an athletics web site with rosters and schedule. Statcrew also provides html files of stats as well.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2016, 10:20:02 AM
D3 conference vs D3 Non Conference record through 11/26



1   NESCAC      32   6   0.842
2   WIAC      19   7   0.731
3   UAA      20   8   0.714
4   IIAC      22   9   0.710
5   CCIW      24   10   0.706
6   OAC      24   12   0.667
7   MIAC      23   12   0.657
8   MACF      19   10   0.655
9   CAC      22   12   0.647
10   Newmac      20   11   0.645
11   SUNY      21   13   0.618
12   MACC      20   13   0.606
13   E8      19   13   0.594
14   Landmark      16   11   0.593
15   LEC      17   12   0.586
16   CC      14   10   0.583
17   NWC      15   11   0.577
18   LL      19   14   0.576
19   SCIAC      10   8   0.556
20   NAC      16   13   0.552
21   ASC      17   14   0.548
22   HCAC      14   12   0.538
23   PrAC      17   15   0.531
24   ODAC      22   20   0.524
25   MIAA      14   13   0.519
26   NCAC      15   17   0.469
27   USAC      18   21   0.462
28   NJAC      12   14   0.462
29   CCC      15   19   0.441
30   CSAC      12   16   0.429
31   SAA      12   16   0.429
32   NECC      12   17   0.414
33   SLIAC      16   23   0.410
34   MWC      9   15   0.375
35   CUNY      13   22   0.371
36   SCAC      14   24   0.368
37   Mascac      9   17   0.346
38   NACC      9   20   0.310
39   AMCC      11   25   0.306
40   Independents      10   29   0.256
41   Sky      10   31   0.244
42   UMAC      7   23   0.233
43   GNAC      6   25   0.194
44   NEAC      7   30   0.189
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2016, 03:04:38 PM

I know we don't know what the relative strength of those non-con schedules is, but I've been pleasantly surprised with the Iowa Conference results so far.  They may have several strong teams this year.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
The IIAC usually scores pretty highly on the Massey Index, which takes these records into account.

It's a tough conference to figure because its non-conference record is better than you probably think and it's NCAA tournament record is worse than you probably think.

On the women's side, the UAA is 34-4 while the NECC is 3-30.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2016, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 28, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
The IIAC usually scores pretty highly on the Massey Index, which takes these records into account.

It's a tough conference to figure because its non-conference record is better than you probably think and it's NCAA tournament record is worse than you probably think.

I've never had that much trouble figuring out why the IIAC has always trended that way. I can sum it up in one word: Geography.

The IIAC typically plays a lot of games against the MWC -- especially the western-oriented part of that league that is in Iowa or in close proximity to it. While Grinnell is usually a tough customer based upon its unusual style of play, it also means a steady diet of Knox, Cornell, Illinois College, and Monmouth for the IIAC, and those programs haven't tended to be the MWC's powers; the nexus of MWC hoops hegemony has usually been SNC/Ripon/Carroll and occasionally Lake Forest, along with the brief blip of Lawrence power during the Braier/Holinbeck era a dozen years or so ago. The IIAC also sees a lot of UMAC competition, and the UMAC's always pretty terrible as a whole. You'll also see IIAC programs pick up a fair number of contests with SLIAC schools.

Yes, there are opposing trends as well; Augustana, for example, typically plays a lot of IIAC foes due to proximity, and other reasonably good outfits from near the Hawkeye State's borders such as Gustavus Adolphus and UW-Platteville will typically have at least one or two IIAC foes on the sked as well. But the IIAC is fortunate in that, for the most part, it's somewhat removed from the centers of Central Region and West Region power -- Chicagoland, eastern and central Wisconsin, and the Twin Cities -- and somewhat closer to the, shall we say, less formidable leagues of the two regions.

In March the IIAC invariably gets exposed because the league simply isn't that strong. It's well-balanced; the league typically has a lot of churn, with programs moving up and down in the standings with regularity from year to year. But it doesn't produce a preponderance of teams that can really compete at a high level. A typical IIAC outfit that qualifies for the dance is a borderline Top 25 team or a high ORV team, and teams like that usually struggle to get out of the first weekend of tournament play.

The IIAC is a good example of why the Massey Index, as invaluable as it is, needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: smedindy on November 28, 2016, 02:20:29 PM
Well, wouldn't Massey take into account that they're not playing the elite of those conferences, and have their SOS and power rankings accordingly adjusted?

Last year the IIAC was 12th in Massey, with the teams kind of where you expected them in the final shakeout. Dubuque was the highest at 54th.

In 2015, they were the 13th best conference. Dubuque again the highest at 38th.

That seems to go along with your assessment, but the power rankings do as well.

So maybe the total poo-poohing of Massey should be taken with a grain of salt.

ALSO - This year Nebraska Wesleyan is part of the IIAC mix. So...add them and their 24th Massey ranking thus far (with a 5-1 overall record) and they'll look good.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2016, 02:45:00 PM
I have not known Massey to account for anything... it can't differentiate games that count and don't count... that's why I don't always trust what I am reading with Massey especially this early in the season.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: smedindy on November 28, 2016, 02:59:36 PM
Yawn. Don't be a Luddite. Remember those ratings take on the entire college hoops universe, too.

Don't blame Massey, blame the NCAA for allowing games that are bifurcated.

It's not that a loss to a higher level opponent will necessarily hurt. In fact, a good result vs. a D-1 or D-2 opponent can help clear things up, even if it's an exhibition. It's not like teams just roll over and play dead - well, credible teams anyway.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2016, 03:02:31 PM
Yeah - right - going to blame the NCAA and the teams who schedule... no chance. You may be tongue-in-cheek, but Massey and other ratings I have found to be rather flawed in general and certainly not something I can hold any stock in at this point in the season.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2016, 03:05:28 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 28, 2016, 02:20:29 PM
ALSO - This year Nebraska Wesleyan is part of the IIAC mix. So...add them and their 24th Massey ranking thus far (with a 5-1 overall record) and they'll look good.

This is a good point. The addition of NebWes appears to be a real shot in the arm for the IIAC's strength this season -- and I suspect that it will continue to do so into the future, provided that the program always has a coaching staff that knows how to sell D3 to prospects as a positive alternative to the Great Plains Athletic Conference, the Cornhusker-centric NAIA league from which NebWes emerged, and against which NebWes will no doubt continue to contend on the recruiting trail.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: smedindy on November 28, 2016, 03:06:36 PM
Dave, we've been over this....

For one it's the entire universe of hoopdom (as I said before), so when you're constructing a power rankings to differentiate for 'this counts for X but not for Y" is pretty difficult to do in an algorithm that accounts for NCAA, NAIA, Canadian schools ,etc.

Sagarin and Ken Pom can say - I'm only counting D1 vs D1 because that's their data set. Massey uses the entire CBB universe, so it's different.

For two, it's early enough that there's a lot of noise in the data. I don't know if everyone is connected yet. It's a rough guide now, but after December it should be a fairly robust data point to use in evaluation. Not THE only evaluation point, but one to definitely examine.

It's not 'flawed' in general unless you're going into it by 'the eye test' that supercedes actual data. And if your going back to that one MIAC examples I debunked that a couple of years ago. Beating a team that hung the only loss on the D-2 champs will help you, and the rest of the schools you play.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: smedindy on November 28, 2016, 03:12:05 PM
Also, my Nebraska Wesleyan example seems to be a good example why the 'count' / 'not count' argument is ludicrous.

They lost to Rockhurst by 10 in an exhibition for Nebraska Wesleyan. Rockhurst is a mid-pack D2 school, but a much better test and measuring stick for the relative goodness of Nebraska Wesleyan than the thumping of Blackburn, Illinois College and Macmurray.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2016, 07:24:58 AM
Through 11/28  Records of D3 Conference vs D3 non Conference



1   NESCAC      36   10   0.783
2   UAA      25   10   0.714
3   WIAC      20   8   0.714
4   IIAC      24   10   0.706
5   CCIW      25   11   0.694
6   Newmac      22   11   0.667
7   Landmark      21   11   0.656
8   OAC      26   14   0.650
9   MIAC      24   13   0.649
10   SCIAC      11   7   0.611
11   CC      17   11   0.607
12   LEC      20   13   0.606
13   CAC      24   16   0.600
14   MACC      21   14   0.600
15   SUNY      21   14   0.600
16   NAC      19   13   0.594
17   MACF      20   14   0.588
18   ASC      18   13   0.581
19   LL      22   16   0.579
20   NWC      15   11   0.577
21   E8      21   16   0.568
22   HCAC      17   14   0.548
23   ODAC      24   21   0.533
24   NCAC      18   19   0.486
25   PrAC      17   18   0.486
26   NJAC      15   16   0.484
27   MIAA      14   15   0.483
28   CCC      18   22   0.450
29   USAC      20   25   0.444
30   SLIAC      17   23   0.425
31   CSAC      13   18   0.419
32   SAA      13   18   0.419
33   NECC      13   20   0.394
34   MWC      9   15   0.375
35   CUNY      13   23   0.361
36   SCAC      14   26   0.350
37   Mascac      9   17   0.346
38   NACC      9   21   0.300
39   AMCC      11   28   0.282
40   Sky      12   31   0.279
41   Independents      12   33   0.267
42   UMAC      7   24   0.226
43   NEAC      8   31   0.205
44   GNAC      6   27   0.182
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 02, 2016, 07:38:30 AM
D3 vs D3 non conference   thru Dec 1




1   NESCAC      45   12   0.789
2   UAA      29   10   0.744
3   WIAC      23   9   0.719
4   IIAC      24   11   0.686
5   OAC      31   16   0.660
6   Newmac      28   15   0.651
7   Landmark      24   13   0.649
8   MIAC      24   13   0.649
9   CCIW      27   15   0.643
10   SCIAC      11   7   0.611
11   CAC      24   16   0.600
12   LEC      25   17   0.595
13   LL      27   19   0.587
14   CC      17   12   0.586
15   SUNY      24   17   0.585
16   MACC      21   15   0.583
17   E8      25   18   0.581
18   NWC      15   11   0.577
19   ASC      20   15   0.571
20   HCAC      20   16   0.556
21   MACF      22   18   0.550
22   NAC      19   16   0.543
23   ODAC      24   23   0.511
24   PrAC      17   18   0.486
25   NJAC      15   16   0.484
26   MIAA      16   19   0.457
27   SAA      16   19   0.457
28   NCAC      19   23   0.452
29   CCC      18   22   0.450
30   USAC      22   27   0.449
31   SLIAC      17   23   0.425
32   CSAC      13   18   0.419
33   MWC      10   16   0.385
34   SCAC      16   27   0.372
35   CUNY      13   24   0.351
36   NECC      13   25   0.342
37   Mascac      12   25   0.324
38   NACC      10   21   0.323
39   AMCC      12   28   0.300
40   Sky      14   33   0.298
41   Independents      13   38   0.255
42   GNAC      9   27   0.250
43   UMAC      7   25   0.219
44   NEAC      8   31   0.205
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2016, 07:44:47 PM
Through games of 12/4/16
D3 vs D3 Non conference



1   NESCAC      51   14   0.785
2   UAA      36   13   0.735
3   WIAC      29   11   0.725
4   IIAC      25   11   0.694
5   OAC      31   16   0.660
6   Landmark      24   13   0.649
7   MIAC      24   13   0.649
8   CCIW      27   15   0.643
9   Newmac      32   18   0.640
10   LL      33   21   0.611
11   CAC      24   16   0.600
12   LEC      25   17   0.595
13   SCIAC      13   9   0.591
14   CC      17   12   0.586
15   SUNY      24   17   0.585
16   MACC      21   15   0.583
17   NWC      15   11   0.577
18   MACF      24   18   0.571
19   ASC      20   15   0.571
20   HCAC      20   16   0.556
21   NAC      19   17   0.528
22   E8      27   25   0.519
23   ODAC      26   26   0.500
24   PrAC      17   18   0.486
25   NJAC      15   16   0.484
26   SAA      20   22   0.476
27   NCAC      19   23   0.452
28   CCC      18   22   0.450
29   MIAA      18   22   0.450
30   USAC      25   31   0.446
31   SLIAC      17   23   0.425
32   CSAC      13   19   0.406
33   MWC      10   16   0.385
34   SCAC      17   30   0.362
35   CUNY      13   26   0.333
36   NECC      13   26   0.333
37   NACC      10   22   0.313
38   Mascac      13   30   0.302
39   AMCC      12   28   0.300
40   Sky      14   34   0.292
41   Independents      16   43   0.271
42   UMAC      9   25   0.265
43   GNAC      10   28   0.263
44   NEAC      8   31   0.205
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 14, 2016, 04:27:13 AM
D3 vs Non conference D3 thru 12/13/16



1   NESCAC      69   17   0.802
2   WIAC      40   14   0.741
3   UAA      43   19   0.694
4   IIAC      28   13   0.683
5   OAC      31   16   0.660
6   MIAC      26   14   0.650
7   LEC      35   20   0.636
8   CCIW      29   17   0.630
9   Newmac      42   25   0.627
10   SCIAC      16   10   0.615
11   Landmark      33   21   0.611
12   CAC      24   16   0.600
13   CC      21   14   0.600
14   LL      42   29   0.592
15   ASC      23   16   0.590
16   MACC      23   16   0.590
17   MACF      35   25   0.583
18   SUNY      25   20   0.556
19   HCAC      20   16   0.556
20   NWC      17   15   0.531
21   PrAC      20   19   0.513
22   E8      30   31   0.492
23   NAC      19   20   0.487
24   USAC      34   36   0.486
25   NJAC      18   20   0.474
26   ODAC      29   33   0.468
27   NCAC      19   23   0.452
28   CSAC      18   24   0.429
29   SAA      20   27   0.426
30   SLIAC      19   26   0.422
31   CCC      23   32   0.418
32   MIAA      18   26   0.409
33   MWC      10   17   0.370
34   SCAC      18   31   0.367
35   Sky      23   41   0.359
36   GNAC      17   34   0.333
37   Independents      26   53   0.329
38   NECC      16   33   0.327
39   AMCC      14   29   0.326
40   NACC      11   23   0.324
41   Mascac      19   44   0.302
42   UMAC      12   30   0.286
43   CUNY      13   33   0.283
44   NEAC      11   41   0.212
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2016, 04:02:43 AM
Through games of 12/18/16



1   NESCAC      70   18   0.795
2   WIAC      43   16   0.729
3   UAA      45   20   0.692
4   OAC      34   16   0.680
5   IIAC      32   16   0.667
6   Landmark      39   21   0.650
7   MIAC      27   16   0.628
8   CCIW      32   19   0.627
9   LEC      35   21   0.625
10   MACC      30   18   0.625
11   Newmac      43   26   0.623
12   ASC      24   16   0.600
13   LL      42   29   0.592
14   CC      22   16   0.579
15   MACF      35   26   0.574
16   NWC      24   18   0.571
17   CAC      24   19   0.558
18   SUNY      27   22   0.551
19   PrAC      23   19   0.548
20   HCAC      20   17   0.541
21   NJAC      24   21   0.533
22   SCIAC      17   15   0.531
23   NAC      19   20   0.487
24   E8      32   34   0.485
25   ODAC      36   39   0.480
26   USAC      36   42   0.462
27   CSAC      20   26   0.435
28   NCAC      19   25   0.432
29   SLIAC      19   26   0.422
30   MIAA      20   28   0.417
31   CCC      23   33   0.411
32   SCAC      23   34   0.404
33   Sky      27   43   0.386
34   SAA      20   34   0.370
35   NACC      12   23   0.343
36   Independents      29   56   0.341
37   NECC      17   33   0.340
38   MWC      10   21   0.323
39   GNAC      17   36   0.321
40   UMAC      13   30   0.302
41   Mascac      19   44   0.302
42   AMCC      14   33   0.298
43   CUNY      13   34   0.277
44   NEAC      12   43   0.218
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2016, 04:25:07 AM
Kind of interesting when you regionalize those Win loss records vs non-conference teams through 12/18.. with a little analysis, some conclusions could be jumped at



15   MACF      35   26   0.574      ATL         
21   NJAC      24   21   0.533      ATL         
27   CSAC      20   26   0.435      ATL         
33   Sky      27   43   0.386      ATL         
43   CUNY      13   34   0.277      ATL   119   150   0.442
                              
2   WIAC      43   16   0.729      CEN         
8   CCIW      32   19   0.627      CEN         
29   SLIAC      19   26   0.422      CEN         
35   NACC      12   23   0.343      CEN         
38   MWC      10   21   0.323      CEN   116   105   0.525
                              
13   LL      42   29   0.592      EAST         
18   SUNY      27   22   0.551      EAST         
24   E8      32   34   0.485      EAST         
44   NEAC      12   43   0.218      EAST   113   128   0.469
                              
4   OAC      34   16   0.680      GL         
19   PrAC      23   19   0.548      GL         
20   HCAC      20   17   0.541      GL         
28   NCAC      19   25   0.432      GL         
30   MIAA      20   28   0.417      GL         
42   AMCC      14   33   0.298      GL   130   138   0.485
                              
6   Landmark      39   21   0.650      MA         
10   MACC      30   18   0.625      MA         
14   CC      22   16   0.579      MA         
17   CAC      24   19   0.558      MA   115   74   0.608
                              
3   UAA      45   20   0.692      MULTI         
36   Independents      29   56   0.341      MULTI   74   76   0.493
                              
1   NESCAC      70   18   0.795      NE         
9   LEC      35   21   0.625      NE         
11   Newmac      43   26   0.623      NE         
23   NAC      19   20   0.487      NE         
31   CCC      23   33   0.411      NE         
37   NECC      17   33   0.340      NE         
39   GNAC      17   36   0.321      NE         
41   Mascac      19   44   0.302      NE   243   231   0.513
                              
12   ASC      24   16   0.600      SOUTH         
25   ODAC      36   39   0.480      SOUTH         
26   USAC      36   42   0.462      SOUTH         
32   SCAC      23   34   0.404      SOUTH         
34   SAA      20   34   0.370      SOUTH   139   165   0.457
                              
5   IIAC      32   16   0.667      WEST         
7   MIAC      27   16   0.628      WEST         
16   NWC      24   18   0.571      WEST         
22   SCIAC      17   15   0.531      WEST         
40   UMAC      13   30   0.302      WEST   113   95   0.543
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2016, 04:37:27 AM
Through Games of 12/29/16




1   NESCAC      77   18   0.811
2   WIAC      55   16   0.775
3   UAA      48   23   0.676
4   OAC      41   21   0.661
5   CCIW      42   25   0.627
6   Landmark      43   26   0.623
7   ASC      33   20   0.623
8   IIAC      36   22   0.621
9   LEC      36   23   0.610
10   NWC      34   22   0.607
11   Newmac      45   30   0.600
12   MACC      38   26   0.594
13   MIAC      27   19   0.587
14   LL      42   30   0.583
15   CAC      32   23   0.582
16   SUNY      31   23   0.574
17   NJAC      29   23   0.558
18   MACF      39   34   0.534
19   HCAC      25   23   0.521
20   SCIAC      23   22   0.511
21   CC      24   23   0.511
22   PrAC      26   25   0.510
23   ODAC      45   44   0.506
24   NAC      20   22   0.476
25   E8      34   38   0.472
26   USAC      40   48   0.455
27   NCAC      25   30   0.455
28   MIAA      28   36   0.438
29   CSAC      23   30   0.434
30   CCC      24   34   0.414
31   SLIAC      21   30   0.412
32   SCAC      28   41   0.406
33   Sky      29   48   0.377
34   SAA      23   41   0.359
35   Independents      35   63   0.357
36   Mascac      22   44   0.333
37   NECC      17   34   0.333
38   MWC      14   28   0.333
39   NACC      13   27   0.325
40   AMCC      17   36   0.321
41   UMAC      14   32   0.304
42   GNAC      17   39   0.304
43   CUNY      16   37   0.302
44   NEAC      12   44   0.214
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2016, 10:16:48 AM
Great work, hopefan!
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2017, 10:07:13 AM
Through 1/8/17.... with conferences starting full steam, there won't be much change to this the rest of the way.



1   NESCAC      91   23   0.798
2   WIAC      59   19   0.756
3   UAA      55   30   0.647
4   OAC      44   25   0.638
5   LEC      49   28   0.636
6   CCIW      47   28   0.627
7   ASC      40   24   0.625
8   NWC      38   24   0.613
9   Landmark      50   32   0.610
10   Newmac      50   32   0.610
11   IIAC      39   27   0.591
12   MIAC      28   20   0.583
13   MACC      43   31   0.581
14   SUNY      35   27   0.565
15   LL      42   34   0.553
16   SCIAC      27   23   0.540
17   CC      34   30   0.531
18   NJAC      31   28   0.525
19   ODAC      53   48   0.525
20   CAC      35   33   0.515
21   MACF      42   40   0.512
22   HCAC      29   28   0.509
23   USAC      48   50   0.490
24   NCAC      32   34   0.485
25   E8      38   41   0.481
26   PrAC      27   30   0.474
27   NAC      26   29   0.473
28   CSAC      27   32   0.458
29   MIAA      32   38   0.457
30   CCC      30   36   0.455
31   SCAC      33   44   0.429
32   SLIAC      22   31   0.415
33   Sky      37   55   0.402
34   MWC      17   30   0.362
35   Independents      42   75   0.359
36   SAA      27   49   0.355
37   Mascac      26   51   0.338
38   NECC      21   43   0.328
39   NACC      13   28   0.317
40   UMAC      17   37   0.315
41   CUNY      19   42   0.311
42   AMCC      18   42   0.300
43   GNAC      18   43   0.295
44   NEAC      13   50   0.206
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2017, 11:47:33 AM
Big year for the Little East.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: warriorcat on January 11, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
There is greater parity in the LEC this year but I think it is more a matter of wise scheduling.  They take advantage of the large number of teams that are within reasonable driving distance in and out of region.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on February 03, 2017, 08:27:07 AM
Thru 2/2/17    D3 vs Non conference D3




1   NESCAC      108   24   0.818
2   WIAC      59   19   0.756
3   UAA      55   30   0.647
4   OAC      44   25   0.638
5   ASC      42   24   0.636
6   CCIW      48   30   0.615
7   Newmac      51   32   0.614
8   NWC      38   24   0.613
9   Landmark      50   32   0.610
10   LEC      50   33   0.602
11   MACC      45   31   0.592
12   IIAC      39   27   0.591
13   MIAC      28   20   0.583
14   NJAC      36   29   0.554
15   LL      43   35   0.551
16   SUNY      35   29   0.547
17   SCIAC      27   23   0.540
18   CC      35   31   0.530
19   ODAC      53   48   0.525
20   HCAC      30   28   0.517
21   CAC      35   33   0.515
22   USAC      52   50   0.510
23   MACF      42   42   0.500
24   NCAC      32   34   0.485
25   E8      38   41   0.481
26   PrAC      27   30   0.474
27   MIAA      32   38   0.457
28   CCC      30   36   0.455
29   CSAC      28   34   0.452
30   SCAC      33   45   0.423
31   NAC      26   36   0.419
32   SLIAC      22   31   0.415
33   Sky      39   59   0.398
34   Independents      60   96   0.385
35   UMAC      23   38   0.377
36   MWC      17   30   0.362
37   NACC      16   29   0.356
38   SAA      27   51   0.346
39   CUNY      24   49   0.329
40   NECC      21   45   0.318
41   Mascac      26   56   0.317
42   AMCC      19   44   0.302
43   GNAC      18   44   0.290
44   NEAC      15   53   0.221
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2017, 10:58:54 AM
 I forgot that a separate board existed for this, so had posted the data several times in the D3 vs NAIA, NCCAA etc board... will now put data up weekly in this board... Mailsy commented on how his favorite conference had changed year vs year, so thought I would show the comparison for all conferences... note some very big swings...


   Thru 12/4/16  last season                        Thru 12/3/17 Current Season
   1   NESCAC      51   14   0.785         1   NESCAC      49   9   0.845
   2   UAA      36   13   0.735                 2   NWC              25   5   0.833
   3   WIAC      29   11   0.725         3   WIAC      34   11   0.756
   4   IIAC      25   11   0.694                 4   MIAC      22   10   0.688
   5   OAC      31   16   0.660                  5   CCIW      28   13   0.683
   6   Landmark      24   13   0.649         6   NCAC      27   13   0.675
   7   MIAC      24   13   0.649         7   Newmac      33   17   0.660
   8   CCIW      27   15   0.643         8   MWC              19   10   0.655
   9   Newmac      32   18   0.640         9   NJAC              22   12   0.647
   10   LL      33   21   0.611                10   CC              21   12   0.636
   11   CAC      24   16   0.600         11   IIAC              24   14   0.632
   12   LEC      25   17   0.595                 12   MACC      27   16   0.628
   13   SCIAC      13   9   0.591         13   CAC              20   13   0.606
   14   CC      17   12   0.586                 14   ODAC      31   23   0.574
   15   SUNY      24   17   0.585         15   OAC              25   19   0.568
   16   MACC      21   15   0.583         16   UAA              26   20   0.565
   17   NWC      15   11   0.577         17   CSAC      19   15   0.559
   18   MACF      24   18   0.571         18   ASC              23   19   0.548
   19   ASC      20   15   0.571         19   CCC              21   18   0.538
   20   HCAC      20   16   0.556         20   LEC              22   20   0.524
   21   NAC      19   17   0.528         21   Independents      11   10   0.523809524
   22   E8      27   25   0.519                  22   SCAC      23   21   0.523
   23   ODAC      26   26   0.500         23   SUNY      19   18   0.514
   24   PrAC      17   18   0.486         24   USAC      23   24   0.489
   25   NJAC      15   16   0.484         25   E8              21   22   0.488
   26   SAA      20   22   0.476         26   LL              18   19   0.486
   27   NCAC      19   23   0.452         27   MACF      20   25   0.444
   28   CCC      18   22   0.450         28   PrAC              14   18   0.438
   29   MIAA      18   22   0.450         29   Mascac      22   29   0.431
   30   USAC      25   31   0.446         30   NECC      18   24   0.429
   31   SLIAC      17   23   0.425         31   Landmark      15   20   0.429
   32   CSAC      13   19   0.406         32   AMCC      14   21   0.400
   33   MWC      10   16   0.385         33   Sky             12   19   0.387
   34   SCAC      17   30   0.362         34   SAA                17   29   0.370
   35   CUNY      13   26   0.333         35   NAC              11   21   0.344
   36   NECC      13   26   0.333         36   HCAC      13   26   0.333
   37   NACC      10   22   0.313         37   MIAA              12   25   0.324
   38   Mascac      13   30   0.302         38   AAIC              9   20   0.310
   39   AMCC      12   28   0.300         39   NEAC      17   38   0.309
   40   Sky      14   34   0.292                  40   SLIAC      11   26   0.297
   41   Independents      16   43   0.271         41   GNAC      14   36   0.280
   42   UMAC      9   25   0.265         42   CUNY      11   29   0.275
   43   GNAC      10   28   0.263         43   NACC      7   20   0.259
   44   NEAC      8   31   0.205         44   UMAC      10   33   0.233
                                                    45   SCIAC      5   23   0.179
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: gordonmann on December 05, 2017, 03:48:24 PM
Very cool.

I didn't realize the NWC's winning percentage was so high, but it makes sense. I've been watching a lot of late night NWC hoops. Whitman is obviously great. I like Whitworth better this year than last year with the transfer point guard who's a stud. Puget Sound would be on my ballot if I voted in the men's poll and even George Fox looks pretty good. They have two kids that are great shooters.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2017, 05:15:41 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 05, 2017, 03:48:24 PM
Very cool.

I didn't realize the NWC's winning percentage was so high, but it makes sense. I've been watching a lot of late night NWC hoops. Whitman is obviously great. I like Whitworth better this year than last year with the transfer point guard who's a stud. Puget Sound would be on my ballot if I voted in the men's poll and even George Fox looks pretty good. They have two kids that are great shooters.

I just noticed that two of the biggest swings from last year to this are related..
NWC goes from 15-11  .577  to   25-5   .833     SCIAC goes from 13-9  .591  to 5-23  .179 

Why???  Because the NWC is 15-1 vs the SCIAC this year!!!!!
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2017, 07:21:57 AM
Records through 12/10/17   note I'll do a new comparison this year vs last year NEXT Sunday

1   NWC             27   5   0.844
2   NESCAC      71   18   0.798
3   WIAC      42   13   0.764
4   MIAC      24   11   0.686
5   NCAC      27   13   0.675
6   CCIW      28   14   0.667
7   Newmac      43   22   0.662
8   MWC              19   10   0.655
9   MACC      29   16   0.644
10   NJAC                23   13   0.639
11   IIAC               28   17   0.622
12   CC              24   15   0.615
13   ODAC      38   26   0.594
14   CSAC      26   18   0.591
15   CAC              20   14   0.588
16   OAC              26   19   0.578
17   CCC              30   22   0.577
18   UAA              35   26   0.574
19   ASC              28   22   0.560
20   LEC              29   25   0.537
21   Independents      14   13   0.519
22   E8              29   29   0.500
23   LL                   25   25   0.500
24   SUNY      20   21   0.488
25   SCAC      24   26   0.480
26   USAC      28   31   0.475
27   PrAC                 18   20   0.473684211
28   Landmark      23   26   0.469
29   MACF      26   35   0.426
30   Mascac      27   41   0.397
31   AMCC      15   24   0.385
32   Sky              12   20   0.375
33   NECC      23   39   0.371
34   SAA              18   31   0.367
35   MIAA              16   29   0.356
36   NAC              13   24   0.351
37   GNAC      23   45   0.338
38   HCAC      13   27   0.325
39   AAIC              12   27   0.308
40   SLIAC      11   26   0.297
41   CUNY      12   31   0.279
42   NACC      8   22   0.267
43   NEAC      17   48   0.262
44   UMAC      10   36   0.217
45   SCIAC      7   26   0.212


Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2017, 05:46:45 AM
1   NWC      28   6   0.824
2   NESCAC      73   18   0.802
3   WIAC      49   13   0.790
4   NJAC      34   15   0.694
5   MACC      35   17   0.673076923
6   NCAC      28   14   0.667
7   MIAC      24   13   0.649
8   Newmac      45   27   0.625
9   CCIW      33   20   0.623
10   ODAC      46   29   0.613
11   MWC      22   14   0.611
12   IIAC      30   20   0.600
13   UAA      40   27   0.597
14   OAC      27   19   0.587
15   ASC      34   24   0.586
16   CCC      34   24   0.586
17   CC      25   19   0.568
18   CSAC      27   21   0.563
19   CAC      24   20   0.545
20   SUNY      25   22   0.532
21   LEC      31   29   0.517
22   LL      28   27   0.509
23   E8      31   30   0.508
24   PrAC      19   20   0.487
25   SCAC      30   32   0.484
26   Independents      14   15   0.483
27   USAC      31   34   0.477
28   Landmark      26   32   0.448
29   MACF      28   35   0.444
30   MIAA      21   31   0.404
31   Mascac      28   44   0.389
32   NECC      25   42   0.373
33   AMCC      15   26   0.366
34   NAC      15   26   0.366
35   SAA      19   35   0.352
36   Sky      12   23   0.343
37   HCAC      13   27   0.325
38   SLIAC      13   27   0.325
39   GNAC      24   50   0.324
40   AAIC      13   28   0.317
41   CUNY      13   35   0.271
42   NEAC      21   57   0.269
43   NACC      8   25   0.242
44   UMAC      10   37   0.213
45   SCIAC      8   30   0.211
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2017, 06:19:43 AM
 Yes the columns are tough.. but this is a comparison this year vs last ..  at this point in the season... games change represents games vs .500
Through 12/18/16 LAST SEASON      Through 12/17/17 CURRENT SEASON               Change 2017 vs 2016      
                           
1   NESCAC      70   18   0.795      1   NWC      28   6   0.824                       NWC         16    
2   WIAC      43   16   0.729      2   NESCAC      73   18   0.802               NESCAC   3    
3   UAA      45   20   0.692      3   WIAC      49   13   0.790                       WIAC   9    
4   OAC      34   16   0.680      4   NJAC      34   15   0.694                       NJAC         16    
5   IIAC      32   16   0.667      5   MACC      35   17   0.673076923               MACC   6    
6   Landmark      39   21   0.650      6   NCAC      28   14   0.667               NCAC   20    
7   MIAC      27   16   0.628      7   MIAC      24   13   0.649               MIAC   0    
8   CCIW      32   19   0.627      8   Newmac      45   27   0.625               Newmac   1    
9   LEC      35   21   0.625      9   CCIW      33   20   0.623                       CCIW   0    
10   MACC      30   18   0.625      10   ODAC      46   29   0.613               ODAC   20    
11   Newmac      43   26   0.623      11   MWC      22   14   0.611               MWC           19    
12   ASC      24   16   0.600      12   IIAC      30   20   0.600               IIAC           (6)   
13   LL      42   29   0.592              13   UAA      40   27   0.597                         UAA          (12)   
14   CC      22   16   0.579              14   OAC      27   19   0.587                     OAC          (10)   
15   MACF      35   26   0.574      15   ASC      34   24   0.586               ASC             2    
16   NWC      24   18   0.571      16   CCC      34   24   0.586               CCC           20    
17   CAC      24   19   0.558      17   CC      25   19   0.568                        CC            0    
18   SUNY      27   22   0.551      18   CSAC      27   21   0.563               CSAC   12    
19   PrAC      23   19   0.548      19   CAC      24   20   0.545               CAC          (1)   
20   HCAC      20   17   0.541      20   SUNY      25   22   0.532               SUNY   (2)   
21   NJAC      24   21   0.533      21   LEC      31   29   0.517                        LEC          (12)   
22   SCIAC      17   15   0.531      22   LL      28   27   0.509                       LL          (12)   
23   NAC      19   20   0.487      23   E8      31   30   0.508                       E8             3    
24   E8      32   34   0.485              24   PrAC      19   20   0.487                    PrAC            (5)   
25   ODAC      36   39   0.480      25   SCAC      30   32   0.484               SCAC   9    
26   USAC      36   42   0.462      26   Independents      14   15   0.483                  Independents   11    include AAIC
27   CSAC      20   26   0.435      27   USAC      31   34   0.477               USAC   3    
28   NCAC      19   25   0.432      28   Landmark      26   32   0.448            Landmark   (24)   
29   SLIAC      19   26   0.422      29   MACF      28   35   0.444               MACF   (16)   
30   MIAA      20   28   0.417      30   MIAA      21   31   0.404               MIAA             (2)   
31   CCC      23   33   0.411      31   Mascac      28   44   0.389               Mascac        9    
32   SCAC      23   34   0.404      32   NECC      25   42   0.373               NECC   (1)   
33   Sky      27   43   0.386              33   AMCC      15   26   0.366               AMCC   10    
34   SAA      20   34   0.370      34   NAC      15   26   0.366               NAC      (10)   
35   NACC      12   23   0.343      35   SAA      19   35   0.352               SAA            (2)   
36   Independents      29   56   0.341      36   Sky      12   23   0.343               Sky             5    
37   NECC      17   33   0.340      37   HCAC      13   27   0.325               HCAC   (17)   
38   MWC      10   21   0.323      38   SLIAC      13   27   0.325               SLIAC   (7)   
39   GNAC      17   36   0.321      39   GNAC      24   50   0.324               GNAC   (7)   
40   UMAC      13   30   0.302      40   AAIC      13   28   0.317               AAIC      
41   Mascac      19   44   0.302      41   CUNY      13   35   0.271               CUNY   (1)   
42   AMCC      14   33   0.298      42   NEAC      21   57   0.269               NEAC   (7)   
43   CUNY      13   34   0.277      43   NACC      8   25   0.242               NACC   (6)   
44   NEAC      12   43   0.218      44   UMAC      10   37   0.213               UMAC   (10)   
                                              45   SCIAC      8   30   0.211               SCIAC   (24)   
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2017, 08:34:58 AM
Maybe you explained this already -- Why are there 45 conferences this season and 44 last season?
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2017, 08:54:13 AM
AAIC is new conference this year... formerly independents... I included their record with Independents record for the change calculation
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2017, 09:35:20 AM
Ah, thanks. It was right there all along if I'd bothered to look hard enough.  :)
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2017, 04:50:14 AM
No more games until 12/27..... Here are W/L vs non-Conference D3 Opponents Through 12/22/17

1   NESCAC      74   19   0.796
2   WIAC      52   14   0.788
3   NJAC              38   16   0.704
4   NWC              30   13   0.698
5   MACC      42   19   0.689
6   CCIW      44   22   0.667
7   MIAC      24   13   0.649
8   IIAC              37   21   0.638
9   NCAC      31   18   0.633
10   Newmac      45   27   0.625
11   ODAC      52   33   0.612
12   OAC              33   21   0.611
13   MWC              25   16   0.610
14   ASC              39   26   0.600
15   UAA              40   28   0.588
16   CCC              34   24   0.586
17   CSAC      31   22   0.585
18   CAC              27   23   0.540
19   CC              25   22   0.532
20   Independents      17   15   0.531
21   SUNY      26   24   0.520
22   LEC              32   30   0.516
23   LL              28   27   0.509
24   E8              32   31   0.508
25   PrAC              23   23   0.500
26   USAC      35   38   0.479
27   Landmark      31   35   0.470
28   SCAC      32   38   0.457
29   MACF      29   39   0.426
30   MIAA              26   36   0.419
31   Mascac      28   44   0.389
32   SAA              24   41   0.369
33   AMCC      18   31   0.367
34   NECC      25   44   0.362
35   NAC              15   27   0.357
36   SLIAC      16   31   0.340
37   GNAC      24   51   0.320
38   AAIC              13   28   0.317
39   Sky              12   26   0.315
40   HCAC      15   34   0.306
41   CUNY      13   36   0.265
42   NEAC      21   59   0.263
43   NACC      11   34   0.244
44   SCIAC      10   33   0.233
45   UMAC      11   38   0.224
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on January 01, 2018, 12:44:56 AM
D3 vs Non Conference D3   Thru 12/31/17

1   NESCAC      86   25   0.775
2   WIAC      61   20   0.753
3   IIAC               48   22   0.686
4   MACC      50   23   0.685
5   CCIW      51   24   0.680
6   NJAC              44   23   0.657
7   NCAC      43   23   0.652
8   NWC              37   20   0.649
9   Newmac      50   32   0.610
10   ASC              51   33   0.607
11   MIAC      31   21   0.596
12   OAC              41   28   0.594
13   UAA              47   33   0.588
14   ODAC      61   43   0.587
15   CSAC      33   24   0.579
16   CCC              38   28   0.576
17   CAC              37   29   0.561
18   Independents      20   16   0.556
19   CC              32   26   0.552
20   SUNY      32   27   0.542
21   MWC              29   26   0.527
22   E8              39   36   0.520
23   LEC              34   35   0.493
24   LL              32   33   0.492
25   Landmark      36   38   0.486
26   USAC      38   41   0.481
27   PrAC              27   31   0.466
28   MIAA              32   42   0.432
29   SCAC      34   46   0.425
30   MACF      33   49   0.402
31   Mascac      32   48   0.400
32   SAA              31   50   0.383
33   AMCC      20   35   0.364
34   NECC      25   44   0.362
35   SLIAC      20   36   0.357
36   GNAC      29   54   0.349
37   HCAC      21   40   0.344
38   NAC              16   33   0.327
39   Sky              16   33   0.327
40   AAIC              14   34   0.292
41   NEAC      26   64   0.289
42   CUNY      17   46   0.270
43   NACC      12   35   0.255
44   SCIAC      14   41   0.255
45   UMAC      14   44   0.241


Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2018, 03:45:33 AM
D3 vs Non Conference D3 through 1/7/18......   Note, with Conference games going full scale now, these records will not be posted again until end of season

1   NESCAC      88   28   0.759
2   WIAC      61   20   0.753
3   MACC      52   23   0.693
4   IIAC              48   22   0.686
5   CCIW      52   25   0.675
6   NJAC              44   23   0.657
7   NWC              37   20   0.649
8   NCAC      44   24   0.647
9   ASC              52   33   0.612
10   Newmac      50   32   0.610
11   UAA              51   34   0.600
12   MIAC      31   21   0.596
13   OAC              41   28   0.594
14   ODAC      61   43   0.587
15   CC              37   27   0.578
16   CCC              39   29   0.574
17   CSAC      33   25   0.569
18   CAC              37   29   0.561
19   SUNY      33   27   0.550
20   MWC              29   26   0.527
21   Independents      21   19   0.525
22   E8              39   36   0.520
23   LEC              38   38   0.500
24   LL              32   34   0.485
25   USAC      42   45   0.483
26   Landmark      38   41   0.481
27   PrAC              27   31   0.466
28   MIAA              32   42   0.432
29   SCAC      34   47   0.420
30   MACF      33   49   0.402
31   Mascac      33   51   0.393
32   SAA      31   51   0.378
33   GNAC      32   55   0.368
34   AMCC      20   35   0.364
35   SLIAC      20   36   0.357
36   NECC      26   48   0.351
37   HCAC      21   40   0.344
38   AAIC               17   34   0.333
39   NAC              17   35   0.327
40   Sky             16   33   0.327
41   NEAC      28   70   0.286
42   CUNY      18   46   0.281
43   SCIAC      14   41   0.255
44   UMAC      15   44   0.254
45   NACC      12   36   0.250
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 08:58:21 PM
UAA finished non-conference play on the men's side tonight.  NYU defeated John Jay, while Brandeis lost to Amherst.

UAA finishes non-conference play with a final record of 52-35 vs non-league opponents, a .598 winning percentage.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2018, 09:56:06 AM
CSAC- CUNYAC Challenge is today. 9 games will be played. Looking at the current non-conf standings CSAC should pick up more than half those games. That would be a good thing for the CSAC.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2018, 09:59:40 AM
The regular season is over and the final tally for non-conf. was good for the CSAC. The conference increased its win total by 13. CSAC had all but 3 of their teams over .500. Finished the season at 41-29 for a .585 win percentage.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2018, 02:33:06 PM
I will put out a year end compilation after the Tourney is over..... ;)
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on March 18, 2018, 08:25:30 PM
D3 vs D3 non conference... final 2017-2018 season

1   NESCAC      112   33   0.772
2   WIAC      70   23   0.753
3   IIAC      55   22   0.714
4   MACC      58   26   0.690
5   CCIW      57   28   0.671
6   NWC      40   22   0.645
7   NJAC      48   27   0.640
8   NCAC      46   26   0.639
9   Newmac      57   35   0.620
10   ASC      51   33   0.607
11   CSAC      44   30   0.595
12   UAA      54   37   0.593
13   OAC      43   30   0.589
14   CC      44   31   0.587
15   ODAC      61   44   0.581
16   CCC      40   30   0.571
17   MIAC      32   24   0.571
18   CAC      39   31   0.557
19   SUNYAC      37   31   0.544
20   IND      29   26   0.527
21   LEC      46   43   0.517
22   MWC      29   28   0.509
23   E8      40   39   0.506
24   LL      34   35   0.493
25   LAND      39   44   0.470
26   USAC      30   34   0.469
27   PrAC      29   34   0.460
28   MIAA      33   43   0.434
29   SCAC      34   48   0.415
30   Mascac      36   54   0.400
31   MACF      34   51   0.400
32   AMCC      26   43   0.377
33   SAA      31   52   0.373
34   SLIAC      21   37   0.362
35   GNAC      34   60   0.362
36   HCAC      21   41   0.339
37   NECC      27   54   0.333
38   UMAC      22   46   0.324
39   NAC      19   41   0.317
40   Sky      17   37   0.315
41   NACC      16   38   0.296
42   NEAC      32   77   0.294
43   CUNYAC      24   59   0.289
44   ACAA      23   59   0.280
45   SCIAC      15   43   0.259
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2018, 09:47:30 AM
Through 11/25/18

I will put this out each Monday in December, then at the end of the year..

These records are strictly D3 vs Non conference opponents, NoT including non D3 opponents...  It's D3 vs D3 not including conference games

1   WIAC      22   8   0.733
2   NESCAC      30   12   0.714
3   CCIW      29   13   0.690
4   ODAC      33   16   0.673
5   UAA              26   13   0.667
6   Newmac      23   12   0.657
7   LEC              27   15   0.643
8   ARC              25   14   0.641
9   CAC              23   13   0.639
10   NCAC      21   12   0.636
11   NJAC              21   12   0.636
12   SAA              24   14   0.632
13   SUNYAC      18   11   0.621
14   OAC              23   15   0.605
15   NWC              17   12   0.586
16   MACC      25   18   0.581
17   LAND      20   16   0.556
18   MACF      18   15   0.545
19   MIAC      20   17   0.541
20   CC              20   18   0.526
21   SCIAC      15   14   0.517
22   ASC              23   23   0.500
23   E8              18   18   0.500
24   MIAA              15   15   0.500
25   CCC              19   20   0.487
26   GNAC      22   25   0.468
27   AMCC      18   21   0.462
28   CUNYAC      17   20   0.459
29   LL              16   19   0.457
30   PrAC                16   21   0.432
31   MWC              15   21   0.417
32   IND               6   9   0.400
33   SCAC      16   25   0.390
34   HCAC      13   21   0.382
35   NACC      11   20   0.355
36   NECC      11   20   0.355
37   UMAC      12   24   0.333
38   NEAC      16   33   0.327
39   NAC                9   19   0.321
40   USAC      13   29   0.310
41   SLIAC      11   25   0.306
42   Sky               8   19   0.296
43   Mascac      9   24   0.273
44   ACAA      4   17   0.190
45   CSAC      4   25   0.138
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2018, 10:00:34 AM
Thanks, hopefan!
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: mailsy on November 26, 2018, 05:43:18 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 26, 2018, 09:47:30 AM
Through 11/25/18

I will put this out each Monday in December, then at the end of the year..

These records are strictly D3 vs Non conference opponents, NoT including non D3 opponents...  It's D3 vs D3 not including conference games

1   WIAC      22   8   0.733
2   NESCAC      30   12   0.714
3   CCIW      29   13   0.690
4   ODAC      33   16   0.673
5   UAA              26   13   0.667
6   Newmac      23   12   0.657
7   LEC              27   15   0.643
8   ARC              25   14   0.641
9   CAC              23   13   0.639
10   NCAC      21   12   0.636
11   NJAC              21   12   0.636
12   SAA              24   14   0.632
13   SUNYAC      18   11   0.621
14   OAC              23   15   0.605
15   NWC              17   12   0.586
16   MACC      25   18   0.581
17   LAND      20   16   0.556
18   MACF      18   15   0.545
19   MIAC      20   17   0.541
20   CC              20   18   0.526
21   SCIAC      15   14   0.517
22   ASC              23   23   0.500
23   E8              18   18   0.500
24   MIAA              15   15   0.500
25   CCC              19   20   0.487
26   GNAC      22   25   0.468
27   AMCC      18   21   0.462
28   CUNYAC      17   20   0.459
29   LL              16   19   0.457
30   PrAC                16   21   0.432
31   MWC              15   21   0.417
32   IND               6   9   0.400
33   SCAC      16   25   0.390
34   HCAC      13   21   0.382
35   NACC      11   20   0.355
36   NECC      11   20   0.355
37   UMAC      12   24   0.333
38   NEAC      16   33   0.327
39   NAC                9   19   0.321
40   USAC      13   29   0.310
41   SLIAC      11   25   0.306
42   Sky               8   19   0.296
43   Mascac      9   24   0.273
44   ACAA      4   17   0.190
45   CSAC      4   25   0.138

Forgot one conference.
20   AEC               21    18    0.538   ;D
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2018, 09:03:52 PM
Mailsy... thanks, I forgot the new conference.

+1

Though I have w/l vs D3 at 20-19
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2018, 09:55:11 AM
Records of D3 conferences vs D3 Non-Conference opponents..... through 12/2/18    A Surprising (to me) new leader

1   Newmac      37   16   0.698
2   NESCAC      44   20   0.688
3   SAA              33   15   0.688
4   WIAC      30   14   0.682
5   LEC              30   15   0.667
6   SUNYAC      24   12   0.667
7   ARC              27   14   0.659
8   OAC              28   15   0.651
9   CAC              33   18   0.647
10   ODAC      40   22   0.645
11   UAA              34   19   0.642
12   NCAC      26   15   0.634
13   CCIW      31   18   0.633
14   NJAC              22   13   0.629
15   MACC      27   19   0.587
16   NWC              17   12   0.586
17   LAND      23   19   0.548
18   MIAC      21   18   0.538
19   ASC              27   24   0.529
20   E8              24   22   0.522
21   MACF      24   22   0.522
22   AEC              24   23   0.511
23   CC              20   20   0.500
24   SCIAC      16   17   0.485
25   AMCC      19   21   0.475
26   MIAA              18   20   0.474
27   CCC              20   23   0.465
28   GNAC      31   36   0.463
29   CUNYAC      21   26   0.447
30   MWC              16   22   0.421
31   LL              17   24   0.415
32   PrAC              17   24   0.415
33   IND               9   13   0.409
34   UMAC      17   29   0.370
35   NACC      11   20   0.355
36   SCAC      19   35   0.352
37   NAC              10   19   0.345
38   HCAC      14   28   0.333
39   NECC      15   31   0.326
40   NEAC      17   36   0.321
41   Mascac      15   33   0.313
42   USAC      14   31   0.311
43   SLIAC      11   25   0.306
44   Sky             10   23   0.303
45   ACAA      7   24   0.226
46   CSAC      7   32   0.179
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2018, 11:38:01 AM

That's with three Springfield losses they probably wouldn't have had without the injury to Ross.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 10, 2018, 09:23:01 AM
Through games of 12/9/18

1   WIAC      40   15   0.727
2   Newmac      48   20   0.706
3   NESCAC      59   26   0.694
4   SAA              34   16   0.680
5   CAC              40   19   0.678
6   LEC              32   17   0.653
7   UAA              43   23   0.652
8   OAC              28   15   0.651
9   CCIW      33   18   0.647
10   SUNYAC      27   15   0.643
11   NJAC              23   13   0.639
12   ARC              30   17   0.638
13   NCAC      26   15   0.634
14   NWC               20   12   0.625
15   ODAC      42   26   0.618
16   MACC      29   20   0.592
17   LAND      31   23   0.574
18   MIAC      21   18   0.538
19   ASC              29   25   0.537
20   E8              32   30   0.516
21   CC              21   20   0.512
22   AMCC      22   21   0.512
23   MACF      24   23   0.511
24   IND              13   14   0.481
25   AEC              28   31   0.475
26   SCIAC      18   21   0.462
27   GNAC      40   47   0.460
28   CCC              25   30   0.455
29   LL              23   31   0.426
30   MWC              17   23   0.425
31   CUNYAC      21   29   0.420
32   PrAC              17   24   0.415
33   MIAA              19   29   0.395833333
34   NACC      12   20   0.375
35   UMAC      18   31   0.367
36   NAC              13   24   0.351
37   SCAC      22   41   0.349
38   NECC      18   34   0.346
39   HCAC      14   28   0.333
40   Sky               11   23   0.324
41   NEAC      20   45   0.308
42   USAC      14   34   0.292
43   SLIAC      11   28   0.282
44   Mascac      17   45   0.274
45   ACAA      9   28   0.243
46   CSAC      10   37   0.213
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2018, 10:28:08 AM
Through games of 12/16/18         D3 vs Non-conference D3


1   Newmac      52   22   0.703
2   WIAC      46   20   0.697
3   NESCAC      61   27   0.693
4   CAC              45   20   0.692
5   ARC              35   16   0.686
6   CCIW      36   18   0.667
7   OAC              30   15   0.667
8   UAA              47   24   0.662
9   SAA              36   20   0.643
10   NJAC              28   16   0.636
11   NWC              22   13   0.629
12   ODAC      47   28   0.627
13   LEC              35   21   0.625
14   SUNYAC      30   18   0.625
15   MACC      29   20   0.592
16   LAND      36   25   0.590
17   NCAC      27   20   0.574
18   MIAC      25   20   0.556
19   ASC              29   26   0.527
20   AEC              33   33   0.500
21   CC              24   24   0.500
22   AMCC      23   23   0.500
23   E8              33   34   0.493
24   MACF      25   26   0.490
25   SCIAC      20   21   0.488
26   GNAC      46   51   0.474
27   CCC              28   34   0.452
28   PrAC              20   25   0.444
29   LL              26   33   0.440677966
30   IND              13   18   0.419
31   CUNYAC      24   34   0.414
32   MIAA              21   30   0.412
33   NECC      23   36   0.390
34   NACC      14   23   0.378
35   SCAC      24   41   0.369
36   MWC              18   31   0.367
37   UMAC      19   33   0.365
38   Sky              13   25   0.342
39   HCAC      14   28   0.333
40   Mascac      22   49   0.310
41   NEAC      22   49   0.310
42   NAC              13   29   0.310
43   SLIAC      13   31   0.295
44   USAC      15   37   0.288
45   ACAA      9   31   0.225
46   CSAC      12   45   0.211
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2018, 11:27:06 AM
Records through Christmas  2018  D3 vs non-conference D3

1   WIAC      50   20   0.714
2   ARC              46   19   0.708
3   NESCAC      65   27   0.707
4   Newmac      52   22   0.703
5   CAC              49   23   0.681
6   CCIW      46   22   0.676
7   OAC              35   17   0.673
8   UAA              51   25   0.671
9   LEC              37   21   0.638
10   NWC              33   19   0.635
11   NJAC               31   18   0.633
12   SUNYAC      34   20   0.630
13   ODAC      52   32   0.619
14   LAND      40   29   0.580
15   SAA              37   27   0.578
16   NCAC      29   22   0.569
17   MACC      32   25   0.561
18   MIAC      25   20   0.556
19   ASC              34   30   0.531
20   AMCC      26   25   0.510
21   MACF      29   28   0.509
22   AEC              37   36   0.507
23   E8              34   34   0.500
24   CC              24   25   0.490
25   GNAC      47   52   0.475
26   CCC              28   34   0.452
27   SCIAC      24   30   0.444
28   LL              26   33   0.441
29   CUNYAC      24   34   0.414
30   MIAA              26   38   0.406
31   SCAC      28   42   0.400
32   IND              15   23   0.395
33   NECC      24   37   0.393
34   PrAC               21   33   0.389
35   Sky              15   25   0.375
36   UMAC      20   34   0.370
37   HCAC      20   35   0.364
38   NACC      17   32   0.347
39   MWC              19   36   0.345
40   USAC      18   39   0.316
41   Mascac      22   49   0.309859155
42   NAC              13   29   0.310
43   SLIAC      15   37   0.288
44   NEAC      22   56   0.282
45   CSAC      15   49   0.234
46   ACAA      9   33   0.214
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on January 02, 2019, 05:32:39 AM
Through games of 1/1/19   D3 vs Nonconference D3


1   WIAC      61   22   0.735
2   ARC              52   20   0.722
3   NESCAC      76   32   0.704
4   NWC              43   20   0.683
5   CAC              55   28   0.663
6   UAA              55   28   0.663
7   CCIW      52   28   0.650
8   Newmac      54   30   0.643
9   OAC              44   25   0.638
10   ODAC      67   39   0.632
11   SUNYAC      38   24   0.613
12   NJAC              39   26   0.600
13   LEC              39   27   0.591
14   NCAC      36   25   0.590
15   MIAC      30   21   0.588
16   LAND      47   33   0.588
17   SAA              42   33   0.560
18   MACC      35   30   0.538
19   ASC              42   39   0.519
20   E8              39   37   0.513
21   AMCC      31   30   0.508
22   MACF      36   35   0.507
23   AEC              40   41   0.494
24   CCC              37   39   0.487
25   CC              28   30   0.483
26   GNAC      52   58   0.473
27   LL              30   34   0.469
28   SCIAC      29   34   0.460
29   MIAA              30   43   0.411
30   PrAC              26   39   0.400
31   IND              18   27   0.400
32   CUNYAC      28   43   0.394
33   SCAC      28   44   0.389
34   NECC      24   38   0.387
35   Sky              18   30   0.375
36   Mascac      29   53   0.354
37   HCAC      21   39   0.350
38   NACC      19   36   0.345
39   UMAC      21   41   0.339
40   USAC      24   48   0.333333333
41   MWC              21   42   0.333
42   SLIAC      16   41   0.281
43   NEAC      22   59   0.272
44   NAC              13   36   0.265
45   CSAC      18   54   0.250
46   ACAA      11   35   0.239
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on February 27, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
I will finalize in mid April
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on June 27, 2019, 11:18:51 PM
Final D3 vs Non conference D3   2018-19

1   NESCAC      112   39   0.742
2   WIAC      66   25   0.725
3   ARC      54   23   0.701
4   UAA      64   31   0.674
5   CAC      60   31   0.659
6   CCIW      58   30   0.659
7   Newmac      57   30   0.655
8   NWC      42   24   0.636
9   OAC      48   29   0.623
10   ODAC      70   46   0.603
11   SUNYAC      43   29   0.597
12   NCAC      40   27   0.597
13   NJAC      45   31   0.592
14   LAND      53   38   0.582
15   MIAC      32   23   0.582
16   LEC      46   34   0.575
17   SAA      43   33   0.566
18   CC      40   34   0.541
19   ASC      43   40   0.518
20   E8      41   40   0.506
21   MACC      41   40   0.506
22   CCC      42   41   0.506
23   AEC      48   48   0.500
24   LL      32   35   0.478
25   MACF      41   46   0.471
26   AMCC      33   38   0.465
27   SCIAC      30   37   0.448
28   GNAC      56   75   0.427
29   NECC      31   43   0.419
30   IND      15   21   0.416666667
31   SCAC      30   44   0.405
32   UMAC      28   42   0.400
33   MIAA      29   45   0.392
34   CUNYAC      32   52   0.381
35   Sky      19   33   0.365
36   HCAC      22   39   0.361
37   PrAC      26   47   0.356
38   Mascac      31   57   0.352
39   USAC      26   48   0.351
40   MWC      22   42   0.344
41   NACC      19   37   0.339
42   ACAA      31   62   0.333
43   CSAC      26   62   0.295
44   SLIAC      17   41   0.293
45   NEAC      29   70   0.293
46   NAC      17   49   0.258
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: Smitty Oom on June 28, 2019, 07:51:13 AM
Two straight years the IIAC/ARC is third! They have been very solid the last couple years, will be interesting to see if they can reload this season with a lot of talented seniors moving on.
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2019, 09:32:13 PM
Let's get this started again... remember, this is strictly D3 teams vs D3 non-conference.... games against non-D3 teams are not included

Games through 11/17/19


1   NESCAC      14   3   0.824
2   WIAC      14   4   0.778
3   ARC              23   7   0.767
4   MACC      23   7   0.767
5   OAC             16   5   0.762
6   CC              17   7   0.708
7   NWC              14   6   0.700
8   CCC              18   9   0.667
9   NCAC      13   7   0.650
10   NJAC              18   10   0.643
11   Newmac      16   9   0.640
12   CCIW      14   8   0.636
13   LEC               12   7   0.632
14   SUNYAC      13   9   0.591
15   E8              14   10   0.583
16   HCAC      14   10   0.583
17   UAA              12   9   0.571
18   ODAC      21   17   0.553
19   MACF      11   9   0.550
20   MIAC      13   11   0.542
21   MWC              12   11   0.522
22   ASC             13   12   0.520
23   CAC             12   12   0.500
24   LAND      12   12   0.500
25   SAA              11    11   0.500
26   NAC               8   8   0.500
27   MIAA               9   10   0.474
28   LL               9   11   0.450
29   SCIAC      7   9   0.438
30   AEC               9   13   0.409
31   NACC      9   13   0.409
32   AMCC      10   15   0.400
33   ACAA      7   11   0.389
34   USAC      11   18   0.379
35   SCAC      8   14   0.364
36   Sky              10   19   0.345
37   NEAC      12   23   0.343
38   UMAC      9   18   0.333
39   Mascac      8   16   0.333
40   NECC      8   16   0.333
41   GNAC      8   18   0.308
42   PrAC              6   16   0.273
43   CSAC      6   18   0.250
44   SLIAC      5   24   0.172
45   CUNYAC      3   17   0.150
46   IND              0   3   0.000
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2019, 08:47:00 PM
Through 11/24/19   D3 vs Non conference D3

1   NESCAC      33   9   0.786
2   CC      31   9   0.775
3   Newmac      28   11   0.718
4   WIAC      21   9   0.700
5   CCIW      25   12   0.676
6   NCAC      25   12   0.676
7   MACC      29   14   0.674
8   ARC      31   15   0.674
9   MIAC      20   11   0.645
10   CCC      29   16   0.644
11   NWC      21   12   0.636
12   UAA      24   15   0.615
13   NJAC      23   15   0.605
14   SUNYAC      21   15   0.583
15   LEC      21   16   0.568
16   OAC      21   16   0.568
17   MIAA      17   13   0.567
18   ASC      26   20   0.565
19   E8      22   17   0.564
20   MACF      19   15   0.559
21   MWC      20   16   0.556
22   ODAC      31   26   0.544
23   HCAC      21   18   0.538
24   CAC      19   17   0.528
25   LAND      18   18   0.500
26   AMCC      17   20   0.459
27   SAA      16   20   0.444
28   AEC      16   21   0.432
29   SCIAC      10   14   0.417
30   LL      13   19   0.406
31   SCAC      13   19   0.406
32   USAC      17   26   0.395
33   Sky      18   30   0.375
34   ACAA      10   17   0.370
35   NAC      10   17   0.370
36   GNAC      16   28   0.364
37   NACC      12   22   0.353
38   PrAC      13   24   0.351
39   Mascac      13   27   0.325
40   NEAC      17   39   0.304
41   NECC      12   28   0.300
42   CUNYAC      10   24   0.294
43   UMAC      10   28   0.263
44   CSAC      10   34   0.227
45   SLIAC      8   30   0.211
46   IND      1   4   0.200
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 02, 2019, 10:55:58 AM
   Through 12/1/19

1   CC      34   11   0.756
2   NESCAC      45   15   0.750
3   WIAC      33   13   0.717
4   Newmac      33   14   0.702
5   MACC      37   16   0.698
6   UAA      36   17   0.679
7   ARC      38   18   0.679
8   CCIW      34   17   0.667
9   NCAC      30   16   0.652
10   MIAC      22   13   0.629
11   CCC      34   21   0.618
12   SUNYAC      24   17   0.585
13   MWC      24   18   0.571
14   ODAC      36   28   0.563
15   NJAC      23   18   0.561
16   OAC      25   21   0.543
17   LEC      27   23   0.540
18   MIAA      21   18   0.538
19   MACF      23   20   0.535
20   SAA      24   21   0.533
21   ASC      33   29   0.532
22   NWC      22   21   0.512
23   HCAC      24   23   0.511
24   E8      25   24   0.510
25   CAC      22   23   0.489
26   SCIAC      18   19   0.486
27   Sky      28   32   0.467
28   AEC      21   24   0.467
29   LAND      20   23   0.465
30   AMCC      18   21   0.462
31   LL      17   21   0.447
32   SCAC      18   26   0.409
33   GNAC      23   34   0.404
34   NAC      13   20   0.394
35   USAC      18   32   0.360
36   ACAA      11   20   0.355
37   PrAC      15   28   0.349
38   Mascac      16   32   0.333
39   NACC      13   26   0.333
40   NEAC      18   46   0.281
41   NECC      13   34   0.277
42   UMAC      12   32   0.273
43   CUNYAC      11   31   0.262
44   CSAC      11   39   0.220
45   SLIAC      9   34   0.209
46   IND      1   4   0.200
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2019, 07:53:55 AM
D3 vs D3 non conference... through games of 12/8... remember games vs non D3 schools are excluded


1   CC      34   11   0.756
2   NESCAC      61   22   0.735
3   UAA      47   18   0.723
4   WIAC      38   15   0.717
5   MACC      38   16   0.704
6   Newmac      46   20   0.697
7   ARC      39   18   0.684
8   CCIW      34   17   0.667
9   NCAC      30   16   0.652
10   MIAC      22   13   0.629
11   CCC      36   22   0.621
12   SUNYAC      25   18   0.581
13   MWC      24   18   0.571
14   NJAC      23   18   0.561
15   ODAC      39   31   0.557
16   LEC      29   24   0.547
17   OAC      25   21   0.543
18   ASC      36   31   0.537
19   SAA      27   24   0.529
20   NWC      24   23   0.511
21   MACF      27   27   0.500
22   HCAC      24   24   0.500
23   E8      29   30   0.492
24   AEC      28   29   0.491
25   CAC      28   29   0.491
26   MIAA      24   25   0.490
27   Sky      34   37   0.479
28   LL      20   22   0.476190476
29   SCIAC      19   21   0.475
30   LAND      22   26   0.458
31   AMCC      18   23   0.439
32   GNAC      33   46   0.418
33   SCAC      19   30   0.388
34   USAC      22   35   0.386
35   ACAA      14   24   0.368
36   Mascac      22   41   0.349
37   NAC      13   25   0.342
38   PrAC      15   29   0.341
39   NACC      13   26   0.333
40   NECC      17   42   0.288
41   NEAC      19   51   0.271
42   UMAC      12   33   0.267
43   CSAC      13   40   0.245
44   CUNYAC      11   34   0.244
45   SLIAC      9   34   0.209
46   IND      1   4   0.200
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2019, 06:42:58 AM
Through games of 12/15/19....  D3 conference vs D3 non conference.... non D3 games NOT included

1   CC      36   12   0.750
2   NESCAC      65   22   0.747
3   UAA      50   18   0.735
4   WIAC      44   17   0.721
5   MACC      38   16   0.704
6   CCIW      39   17   0.696
7   Newmac      49   22   0.690
8   NCAC      36   18   0.667
9   ARC      40   21   0.656
10   CCC      38   24   0.613
11   MIAC      23   15   0.605
12   SUNYAC      29   20   0.592
13   MWC      29   22   0.569
14   ODAC      43   35   0.551
15   OAC      25   21   0.543
16   LEC      34   29   0.540
17   ASC      41   35   0.539
18   NJAC      23   20   0.535
19   SAA      29   26   0.527
20   NWC      24   23   0.511
21   AEC      32   31   0.508
22   MACF      28   29   0.491
23   HCAC      24   25   0.490
24   Sky      40   42   0.488
25   E8      32   34   0.485
26   CAC      29   31   0.483
27   LAND      26   28   0.481
28   MIAA      26   29   0.473
29   SCIAC      19   22   0.463
30   GNAC      41   50   0.451
31   LL      20   25   0.444
32   AMCC      19   24   0.442
33   SCAC      21   33   0.389
34   USAC      22   37   0.373
35   ACAA      15   26   0.366
36   Mascac      26   46   0.361
37   NACC      15   28   0.349
38   PrAC      16   30   0.348
39   NECC      23   46   0.333
40   NEAC      24   54   0.308
41   NAC      14   34   0.292
42   CUNYAC      16   41   0.281
43   UMAC      13   35   0.271
44   CSAC      14   44   0.241
45   SLIAC      9   38   0.191
46   IND      1   5   0.167
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 23, 2019, 06:10:06 AM
Conference vs non conference D3... non D3 not included

Thru games of 12/22/19....   Going into Christmas Break....   

1   CC      36   12   0.750
2   UAA      56   19   0.747
3   NESCAC      68   24   0.739
4   WIAC      48   20   0.706
5   CCIW      47   21   0.691
6   Newmac      49   22   0.690
7   MACC      39   19   0.672
8   MIAC      30   16   0.652
9   NCAC      40   22   0.645
10   ARC      46   26   0.639
11   CCC      38   24   0.613
12   OAC      32   22   0.593
13   SUNYAC      31   22   0.585
14   SAA      35   28   0.556
15   MWC      33   28   0.541
16   ODAC      47   40   0.540
17   NJAC      24   21   0.533
18   ASC      43   40   0.518
19   LEC      34   32   0.515
20   Sky      44   43   0.506
21   LAND      30   31   0.492
22   SCIAC      25   26   0.490
23   MIAA      33   35   0.485
24   HCAC      28   30   0.483
25   NWC      27   29   0.482
26   AEC      34   37   0.479
27   E8      32   35   0.478
28   MACF      29   32   0.475
29   GNAC      45   50   0.474
30   CAC      31   36   0.463
31   AMCC      19   24   0.442
32   LL      20   27   0.426
33   SCAC      25   36   0.410
34   NACC      20   29   0.408
35   USAC      22   37   0.373
36   Mascac      26   46   0.361
37   NECC      23   46   0.333
38   PrAC      17   34   0.333
39   ACAA      15   32   0.319
40   NEAC      24   56   0.300
41   CSAC      18   46   0.281
42   NAC      14   36   0.280
43   CUNYAC      16   42   0.276
44   UMAC      14   39   0.264
45   SLIAC      9   40   0.184
46   IND      1   5   0.167
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2019, 08:00:31 AM
Conference vs D3 non-conference.... games vs non D3 teams not included

1   UAA      57   20   0.740
2   NESCAC      71   25   0.740
3   CC      39   15   0.722
4   WIAC      54   23   0.701
5   Newmac      51   22   0.699
6   CCIW      49   23   0.681
7   NCAC      45   23   0.662
8   ARC      47   28   0.627
9   MIAC      30   18   0.625
10   MACC      40   25   0.615
11   CCC      39   25   0.609
12   SUNYAC      34   22   0.607
13   OAC      40   26   0.606
14   SAA      38   29   0.567
15   ODAC      56   44   0.560
16   NJAC      29   25   0.537
17   ASC      52   45   0.536
18   MWC      34   30   0.531
19   LEC      35   34   0.507
20   Sky      46   46   0.500
21   MIAA      37   37   0.500
22   LAND      33   34   0.493
23   MACF      33   34   0.493
24   HCAC      29   31   0.483
25   SCIAC      27   29   0.482
26   E8      34   37   0.479
27   GNAC      46   51   0.474
28   AEC      36   40   0.474
29   CAC      35   43   0.449
30   NWC      27   34   0.443
31   AMCC      21   27   0.438
32   LL      22   30   0.423
33   NACC      22   30   0.423
34   SCAC      25   36   0.410
35   USAC      24   43   0.358
36   Mascac      26   47   0.356
37   PrAC      20   37   0.351
38   NECC      23   46   0.333
39   ACAA      15   34   0.306
40   CUNYAC      19   44   0.302
41   NEAC      24   57   0.296
42   UMAC      16   41   0.281
43   NAC      14   36   0.280
44   CSAC      19   49   0.279
45   SLIAC      9   43   0.173
46   IND      1   5   0.167
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2020, 05:40:53 AM
Through games of 1/5/20                                                                     


1   NESCAC      84   29   0.743                           
2   UAA      59   24   0.711                             
3   WIAC      56   26   0.683
4   Newmac      56   27   0.675
5   CC      45   22   0.672
6   CCIW      53   27   0.663
7   NCAC      46   24   0.657
8   SUNYAC      40   22   0.645
9   ARC      49   29   0.628
10   CCC      47   29   0.618
11   MACC      47   29   0.618
12   OAC      42   27   0.609
13   MIAC      31   22   0.585
14   ODAC      63   45   0.583
15   SAA      41   31   0.569
16   MIAA      42   37   0.532
17   MWC      35   31   0.530
18   ASC      53   47   0.530
19   E8      42   40   0.512
20   LAND      42   40   0.512
21   SCIAC      31   30   0.508
22   MACF      40   39   0.506
23   LEC      36   37   0.493
24   NJAC      33   35   0.485
25   HCAC      31   33   0.484
26   LL      29   32   0.475
27   CAC      40   45   0.471
28   Sky      48   55   0.466
29   AMCC      24   28   0.462
30   AEC      38   47   0.447
31   GNAC      49   62   0.441
32   NWC      27   35   0.435
33   NACC      23   31   0.426
34   SCAC      25   37   0.403
35   USAC      28   45   0.384
36   Mascac      29   53   0.354
37   NECC      26   48   0.351
38   PrAC      20   39   0.339
39   UMAC      18   42   0.300
40   CUNYAC      20   47   0.299
41   ACAA      17   41   0.293
42   CSAC      22   54   0.289
43   NEAC      26   64   0.289
44   NAC      15   41   0.268
45   SLIAC      10   46   0.179
46   IND      1   5   0.167
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2020, 09:20:58 AM
Here is where we stand, 1/15/20, D3 conference vs D3 non-conference                Won't be many changes until the NCAA tourney

1   NESCAC      88   35   0.715
2   UAA      62   25   0.713
3   WIAC      56   26   0.683
4   Newmac      56   27   0.675
5   CCIW      53   27   0.663
6   CC      45   23   0.662
7   NCAC      46   24   0.657
8   SUNYAC      41   24   0.631
9   ARC      49   29   0.628
10   CCC      48   29   0.623
11   MACC      48   29   0.623
12   OAC      42   27   0.609
13   ODAC      63   46   0.578
14   MIAC      31   23   0.574
15   SAA      41   31   0.569
16   MIAA      42   37   0.532
17   MWC      35   31   0.530
18   ASC      53   47   0.530
19   E8      45   41   0.523
20   LAND      45   41   0.523
21   MACF      41   39   0.513
22   SCIAC      31   30   0.508
23   LEC      37   38   0.493
24   HCAC      31   33   0.484
25   GNAC      61   66   0.480
26   NJAC      33   36   0.478
27   CAC      42   46   0.477
28   LL      30   33   0.476
29   AMCC      25   28   0.472
30   Sky      48   55   0.466
31   AEC      40   48   0.455
32   NACC      24   31   0.436
33   NWC      27   35   0.435
34   SCAC      25   37   0.403
35   USAC      29   45   0.392
36   NECC      28   52   0.350
37   Mascac      30   56   0.349
38   PrAC      20   39   0.339
39   UMAC      20   42   0.323
40   CUNYAC      21   47   0.309
41   ACAA      20   46   0.303
42   CSAC      23   56   0.291
43   NEAC      27   71   0.276
44   NAC      16   46   0.258
45   SLIAC      10   46   0.179
46   IND      1   6   0.143
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on February 09, 2020, 07:34:17 AM
I'll post Year End w/l records after NCAA Tourney
Title: Re: Records of Conference vs D3 Non Conference Games
Post by: hopefan on July 06, 2020, 03:20:53 PM
FINAL 2019-20 Conference vs D3 Non-Conference including Tourneys

1   UAA      65   26   0.714
2   NESCAC      102   43   0.703
3   CCIW      57   27   0.679
4   WIAC      60   29   0.674
5   CC      47   24   0.662
6   NCAC      48   25   0.658
7   Newmac      57   31   0.648
8   SUNYAC      43   24   0.642
9   ARC      50   30   0.625
10   CCC      50   31   0.617
11   OAC      44   28   0.611
12   MIAC      35   23   0.603
13   MACC      50   35   0.588
14   ODAC      65   46   0.586
15   SAA      41   32   0.562
16   MIAA      42   38   0.525
17   ASC      54   49   0.524
18   SCIAC      34   31   0.523
19   LAND      47   43   0.522
20   MWC      35   33   0.515
21   E8      45   43   0.511
22   MACF      41   40   0.506
23   CAC      46   47   0.495
24   LEC      39   40   0.494
25   NJAC      38   39   0.494
26   LL      35   36   0.493
27   Sky      51   54   0.486
28   AEC      45   49   0.479
29   GNAC      63   69   0.477
30   HCAC      31   34   0.477
31   NWC      29   36   0.446
32   AMCC      25   32   0.439
33   NACC      24   33   0.421
34   SCAC      25   38   0.397
35   USAC      29   46   0.387
36   NECC      31   54   0.365
37   PrAC      23   41   0.359
38   UMAC      23   44   0.343
39   Mascac      30   60   0.333
40   CUNYAC      25   52   0.325
41   CSAC      27   59   0.314
42   ACAA      24   56   0.300
43   NEAC      28   75   0.272
44   NAC      18   51   0.261
45   SLIAC      10   47   0.175
46   IND      0   8   0.000