2023 NCAA Regional Rankings

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paclassic89

One more next week before the final rankings

BlueJay95

With D3Soccer.com not operating, I'll miss "Conference Championship Central." I've seen mention of two fewer AQs this year with the merger of CSAC and United East. What is the other berth gone and how many total AQs are there this year?

Kuiper

Quote from: BlueJay95 on October 27, 2023, 12:28:59 PM
With D3Soccer.com not operating, I'll miss "Conference Championship Central." I've seen mention of two fewer AQs this year with the merger of CSAC and United East. What is the other berth gone and how many total AQs are there this year?

Here's what @FlyingWeasel posted about that in another thread:

Quote(1) Due to the dissolution of the New England Collegiate Conference (NECC) and the merger of the Colonial States Athletic Conference (CSAC) and United East Conference (UEC), there are two less automatic berths (AQs) this year and thus two more Pool C at-large berths.  So this year's tournament field is comprised of 41 AQs, 1 Pool B at-large berth, 22 Pool C at-large berths.  That is significant.  I'm not sure it should change anyone's prediction of who is on the "bubble" for at-large selection, but it probably is more a shift from trying to figure out which 2 of 6 "bubble" teams will make the cut to trying to figure out which 2 of 6 "bubble" teams will be left out.

Kuiper

The final Regional Rankings are out:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-men/d3/regional-rankings

Region I          
1    Connecticut Col.    10-0-5    11-0-5
2    Middlebury    12-0-4    12-0-4
3    Amherst    11-2-3    11-2-3
4    Tufts    11-2-3    11-2-3
5    Bowdoin    9-3-4    9-3-4
6    Williams    8-6-2    8-6-2
7    Saint Joseph (CT)    13-1-3    13-1-3
Region II          
1    Babson    10-3-6    10-3-6
2    Wheaton (MA)    7-4-6    7-4-6
3    Suffolk    9-4-3    10-5-3
4    WPI    8-3-6    8-3-6
5    Endicott    7-7-4    8-7-4
6    Salem St.    11-4-2    11-4-3
Region III          
1    Cortland    13-2-2    13-2-2
2    SUNY Oneonta    13-2-3    13-2-3
3    SUNY Brockport    9-2-5    9-2-5
4    Rochester (NY)    8-2-5    8-2-5
5    Buffalo St.    11-4-3    11-4-3
6    SUNY New Paltz    9-3-4    9-3-4
7    Hobart    10-5-2    10-5-2
Region IV          
1    Montclair St.    15-2-1    15-2-1
2    Stevens    9-2-5    9-2-5
3    Stockton    11-3-5    11-3-5
4    Lebanon Valley    12-1-4    12-1-4
5    Rowan    8-3-5    8-3-5
6    Kean    11-1-6    11-1-6
7    Penn St. Harrisburg    7-4-7    7-4-7
Region V          
1    Messiah    17-0-1    17-0-1
2    Franklin & Marshall    13-2-2    13-2-2
3    Washington Col.    11-1-5    11-1-5
4    John Hopkins    9-4-4    9-4-4
5    Alvernia    10-6-1    10-6-1
6    Muhlenberg    11-3-2    11-3-2
7    Widener    12-3-2    12-3-2
Region VI          
1    Mary Washington    14-1-2    14-1-2
2    Christopher Newport    10-3-2    10-3-2
3    Emory    11-2-3    11-2-3
4    Washington & Lee    11-3-4    11-3-4
5    Lynchburg    13-3-2    13-3-2
6    Virginia Wesleyan    12-2-2    13-2-2
7    Oglethorpe    12-2-2    12-2-2
Region VII          
1    Kenyon    14-3-0    14-3-0
2    Ohio Wesleyan    12-4-1    12-4-1
3    Ohio Northern    11-5-2    11-5-2
4    CWRU    8-3-3    8-3-3
5    John Carroll    12-5-1    12-5-1
6    Otterbein    12-2-3    12-2-3
7    Mount Union    15-2-1    15-2-1
Region VIII          
1    Calvin    12-2-1    14-2-1
2    UChicago    8-2-5    8-2-5
3    North Central (IL)    15-1-2    15-1-2
4    Carthage    10-5-2    10-5-2
5    Wheaton (IL)    11-5-1    11-5-1
6    MSOE    15-1-3    15-1-3
7    Trine    7-5-3    7-6-3
Region IX          
1    St. Olaf    13-3-2    13-3-2
2    Wisconsin-Platteville    12-1-4    12-1-4
3    Carleton    14-1-1    15-1-1
4    Wartburg    10-1-6    10-1-6
5    Macalester    10-2-5    10-2-5
6    Wisconsin-Whitewater    13-1-4    13-1-4
7    Loras    11-3-4    11-3-4
Region X          
1    Colorado Col.    13-2-1    13-2-1
2    Trinity (TX)    11-2-1    11-2-2
3    Texas Lutheran    14-3-0    14-3-0
4    St. Thomas (TX)    11-3-0    12-3-1
5    Southwestern (TX)    10-2-3    10-2-3
6    Occidental    10-3-3    11-3-3
7    Redlands    9-2-2    12-2-2

Christan Shirk

#19
REGION I - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Connecticut College
10-0-5
0.588
4-0-4
11-0-5
1
2.
Middlebury
12-0-4
0.581
4-0-3
12-0-4
3
3.
Amherst
11-2-3
0.623
5-2-2
11-2-3
2
4.
Tufts
11-2-3
0.605
6-2-2
11-2-3
4
5.
Bowdoin
9-3-4
0.572
1-3-4
9-3-4
5
6.
Williams
8-6-2
0.609
2-5-1
8-6-2
6
7.
St. Joseph (Conn.)
13-1-3
0.519
--
13-1-3
--

REGION II - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Babson
10-3-6
0.579
5-3-2
10-3-6
1
2.
Wheaton (Mass.)
7-4-6
0.548
2-2-2
7-4-6
2
3.
Suffolk
9-4-3
0.504
1-1-1
10-5-3
5
4.
WPI
8-3-6
0.510
2-2-1
8-3-6
6
5.
Endicott
7-7-4
0.552
1-5-1
8-7-4
--
6.
Salem State
11-4-2
0.495
1-2-0
11-4-3
--

REGION III - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Cortland State
13-2-2
0.596
4-1-2
13-2-2
1
2.
Oneonta State
13-2-3
0.582
1-2-3
13-2-3
2
3.
Brockport State
9-2-5
0.580
2-1-3
9-2-5
3
4.
Rochester
8-2-5
0.579
1-1-2
8-2-5
5
5.
Buffalo State
11-4-3
0.563
2-3-1
11-4-3
6
6.
New Paltz State
9-3-4
0.584
1-3-2
9-3-4
4
7.
Hobart
10-5-2
0.571
1-4-0
10-5-2
--

REGION IV - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Montclair State
15-2-1
0.564
4-1-0
15-2-1
1
2.
Stevens
9-2-5
0.555
1-2-2
9-2-5
3
3.
Stockton
11-3-5
0.568
1-3-3
11-3-5
2
4.
Lebanon Valley
12-1-4
0.545
1-1-1
12-1-4
4
5.
Rowan
8-3-5
0.562
1-3-2
8-3-5
6
6.
Kean
11-1-6
0.537
2-1-1
11-1-6
5
7.
Penn State-Harrisburg
7-4-7
0.559
0-3-1
7-4-7
7

REGION V - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Messiah
17-0-1
0.570
5-0-0
17-0-1
1
2.
Franklin and Marshall
13-2-2
0.617
5-2-0
13-2-2
2
3.
Washington College
11-1-5
0.576
3-1-1
11-1-5
4
4.
Johns Hopkins
9-4-4
0.605
2-2-2
9-4-4
3
5.
Alvernia
10-6-1
0.588
2-5-1
10-6-1
--
6.
Muhlenberg
11-3-2
0.550
0-2-1
11-3-2
5
7.
Widener
12-3-2
0.532
1-2-0
12-3-2
6

Christan Shirk
Special Consultant and Advisor
D3soccer.com

Christan Shirk

#20
REGION VI - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Mary Washington
14-1-2
0.640
4-1-2
14-1-2
1
2.
Christopher Newport
10-3-2
0.642
3-2-1
10-3-2
2
3.
Emory
11-2-3
0.605
2-2-2
11-2-3
3
4.
Washington and Lee
11-3-4
0.602
2-2-3
11-3-4
4
5.
Lynchburg
13-3-2
0.545
1-3-1
13-3-2
5
6.
Virginia Wesleyan
12-2-2
0.528
1-1-0
13-2-2
7
7.
Oglethorpe
12-2-2
0.517
1-1-1
12-2-2
6

REGION VII - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Kenyon
14-3-0
0.565
2-2-0
14-3-0
1
2.
Ohio Wesleyan
12-4-1
0.592
3-3-1
12-4-1
2
3.
Ohio Northern
11-5-2
0.590
2-4-2
11-5-2
4
4.
Case Western Reserve
8-3-3
0.597
1-2-3
8-3-3
5
5.
John Carroll
12-5-1
0.564
3-3-1
12-5-1
3
6.
Otterbein
12-2-3
0.547
2-2-2
12-2-3
6
7.
Mount Union
15-2-1
0.521
3-2-0
15-2-1
7

REGION VIII - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Calvin
12-2-1
0.570
4-1-1
14-2-1
1
2.
Chicago
8-2-5
0.628
4-1-2
8-2-5
3
3.
North Central (Ill.)
15-1-2
0.559
2-1-1
15-1-2
2
4.
Carthage
10-5-2
0.563
1-4-1
10-5-2
--
5.
Wheaton (Ill.)
11-5-1
0.566
1-3-1
11-5-1
5
6.
MSOE
15-1-3
0.528
1-1-2
15-1-3
4
7.
Trine
7-5-3
0.579
2-4-1
7-6-3
--

REGION IX - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
St. Olaf
13-3-2
0.599
2-3-1
13-3-2
1
2.
UW-Platteville
12-1-4
0.588
2-1-3
12-1-4
2
3.
Carleton
14-1-1
0.543
2-1-0
15-1-1
3
4.
Wartburg
10-1-6
0.564
1-1-3
10-1-6
4
5.
Macalester
10-2-5
0.576
0-1-2
10-2-5
5
6.
UW-Whitewater
13-1-4
0.534
0-1-2
13-1-4
6
7.
Loras
11-3-4
0.547
1-1-2
11-3-4
7

REGION X - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 01, 2023

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Colorado College
13-2-1
0.570
4-1-1
13-2-1
1
2.
Trinity (Texas)
11-2-1
0.552
2-2-0
11-2-2
4
3.
Texas Lutheran
14-3-0
0.541
2-2-0
14-3-0
2
4.
St. Thomas (Texas)
11-3-0
0.537
2-2-0
12-3-1
3
5.
Southwestern
10-2-3
0.529
2-2-0
10-2-3
--
6.
Occidental
10-3-3
0.522
2-1-0
11-3-3
--
7.
Redlands
9-2-2
0.540
--
12-2-2
5

Christan Shirk
Special Consultant and Advisor
D3soccer.com

SKUD

I have no idea if it means anything but Tufts and Babson both with 10 games vs RR opponents

BaboNation

As conference playoffs begin tomorrow in the NEWMAC I expect things to go to the wire (but please no PKs).  As a Babson fan things will be stressful.  Of their 23 goals, only 3 have been scored in the 1st half;  and no 1st half goals (by Babson) since 9/17, spanning 11 games.  Some of that is tough luck, but IMO the lion's share can be attributed to "let's feel the other team out and see what we're up against".  No excuses tomorrow - 2nd game against a conference foe.

PaulNewman

Cristan, you may have posted about this 50 times before, but is the language or practice around counting BOTH 3rd and 4th weeks results for RvR purposes definite (as in must be applied that way) or could there be discretion there...like a team shows in hindsight that they really weren't a ranked-quality team, and so assuming if in the last spot anyway, maybe a W or L versus that team shouldn't count as much?

Christan Shirk

#24
Quote from: PaulNewman on November 01, 2023, 10:02:57 PM
Cristan, you may have posted about this 50 times before, but is the language or practice around counting BOTH 3rd and 4th weeks results for RvR purposes definite (as in must be applied that way) or could there be discretion there...like a team shows in hindsight that they really weren't a ranked-quality team, and so assuming if in the last spot anyway, maybe a W or L versus that team shouldn't count as much?

Well, I got to tell you, it was nice to be be relatively relaxed and stress-free this weekend and getting good sleep. It's been over a decade that I couldn't say that about this particular weekend. I do miss doing it on some level and, like many of you have expressed, I definitely miss not having the information available to me as a fan that we at D3soccer.com were able to provide surrounding the at-large selections and everything else throughout the season.  But my four soccer-playing kids (not to mention nieces and nephews) with their soccer and non-soccer activities (dance, gymnastics, field hockey, etc.) keep me so busy that I really don't have time to miss it too much.  And last night I was happily compiling video highlights from the weekend's games instead of trying to figure out who the 22 Pool C at-large berths and 1 Pool B at-large berths will go to.  That was very nice and the best part: I didn't feel guilty about it! 

OK, that's not answering your question, so . . .

First, for the benefit of "the whole class", I'll just recap how the Results versus Ranked Opponents plays out.

"Results versus ranked teams" criteria spelled out
For the . . . first weekly rankings:
N/A (no previous rankings)
second weekly rankings:
results versus teams ranked in the first weekly rankings (10/18)
third weekly ranking:
results versus teams ranked in the second weekly rankings (10/25)
final rankings:
results versus teams ranked in the third weekly rankings (11/1)
at-large selections:
results versus teams ranked in either the third weekly rankings (11/1) or the final rankings (11/6)

To your question, as I posted previous in this or another thread, the committee seems to have a lot of latitude in how to consider results versus ranked opponents.  Our understanding was that they can weigh a result versus a team at or near the top of their region differently than a result versus a team near or at the bottom.  That result versus at lowly ranked team would still be a part of the criteria being considered, so it can't be erased and disregarded, but not all wins (or ties and losses) need to be treated as equal.

Teams ranked in the third weekly rankings, that will count toward the final RvR, were ranked based on 90% of the season already being in the books. So it would not reflect well on the committee's own work if last night they all of a sudden in hindsight didn't think a certain team was worthy of ever having been ranked. One result during conference playoffs should not change their opinion that drastically about a team.  Can it drop them down a few pegs and out of the rankings, sure.  But if the season was extended another week, a team that was in the third rankings but out of the fourth rankings would seem a strong candidate to push back into the rankings if they would get the right result in that extra week.

Probably doesn't answer your question really, but I'm not sure there is a clear cut answer.
Christan Shirk
Special Consultant and Advisor
D3soccer.com

PaulNewman

Thanks, Cristan....I think my question boils down to whether or not the cmte must weigh week 3 and week 4 equally...or is there latitude to give week 4 more weight than week 3.

In part asking because of GAC and Denison...and Trine.  Hobart appears to have "earned" their late entry into the last spot in Region 3.

Christan Shirk

REGION I - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Amherst
13-2-3
0.642
7-2-1
13-2-3
3
2.
Tufts
11-2-3
0.621
5-3-2
11-2-3
4
3.
Middlebury
12-1-4
0.589
4-1-3
12-1-4
2
4.
Connecticut College
10-1-5
0.600
2-1-4
11-1-5
1
5.
Bowdoin
9-3-4
0.569
1-3-3
9-3-4
5
6.
Williams
8-6-2
0.607
1-5-1
8-6-2
6
7.
Johnson and Wales
14-2-4
0.534
2-0-1
14-2-4
--

REGION II - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Babson
11-3-7
0.586
4-3-3
11-3-7
1
2.
WPI
9-3-7
0.523
0-2-3
9-3-7
4
3.
Wheaton (Mass.)
8-5-6
0.553
0-5-2
8-5-6
2
4.
Suffolk
9-4-4
0.504
3-0-1
10-5-4
3
5.
Endicott
7-7-4
0.557
1-5-2
8-7-4
5
6.
Bridgewater State
12-2-5
0.513
1-1-1
12-2-5
--

REGION III - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Cortland State
15-2-2
0.614
7-1-2
15-2-2
1
2.
Oneonta State
14-3-3
0.593
2-3-1
14-3-3
2
3.
Rochester
9-2-5
0.593
4-1-2
9-2-5
4
4.
Brockport State
9-3-5
0.592
2-2-2
9-3-5
3
5.
Hobart
12-5-2
0.580
1-4-0
12-5-2
7
6.
New Paltz State
9-3-4
0.581
1-3-1
9-3-4
6
7.
Buffalo State
11-5-3
0.579
1-5-1
11-5-3
5

REGION IV - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Montclair State
17-2-1
0.576
8-2-0
17-2-1
1
2.
Stevens
11-2-5
0.566
3-2-2
11-2-5
2
3.
Rowan
9-4-5
0.588
2-4-2
9-4-5
5
4.
Stockton
11-4-5
0.575
2-4-3
11-4-5
3
5.
Kean
11-2-6
0.542
2-2-1
11-2-6
6
6.
Lebanon Valley
13-2-4
0.544
1-2-2
13-2-4
4
7.
Penn State-Abington
9-5-4
0.520
1-1-2
9-5-4
--

REGION V - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Messiah
19-0-1
0.572
7-0-0
19-0-1
1
2.
Franklin and Marshall
13-3-2
0.614
6-3-0
13-3-2
2
3.
Johns Hopkins
12-4-4
0.618
4-2-2
12-4-4
4
4.
Washington College
11-2-5
0.576
3-2-2
11-2-5
3
5.
Muhlenberg
13-4-2
0.569
2-3-1
13-4-2
6
6.
Widener
13-4-2
0.555
2-4-0
13-4-2
7
7.
Catholic
12-6-2
0.597
0-4-0
12-6-2
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Christan Shirk
Special Consultant and Advisor
D3soccer.com

Christan Shirk

REGION VI - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 06, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Mary Washington
16-1-2
0.649
6-1-2
16-1-2
1
2.
Christopher Newport
10-4-2
0.648
3-3-1
10-4-2
2
3.
Washington and Lee
12-3-4
0.609
2-3-3
12-3-4
4
4.
Emory
11-3-3
0.612
2-3-2
11-3-3
3
5.
Lynchburg
14-3-2
0.567
3-3-1
14-3-2
5
6.
Oglethorpe
14-2-2
0.536
1-1-1
14-2-2
7
7.
Virginia Wesleyan
12-3-2
0.545
1-2-0
13-3-2
6

REGION VII - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Kenyon
15-4-0
0.572
3-4-0
15-4-0
1
2.
Ohio Wesleyan
12-5-1
0.596
3-5-0
12-5-1
2
3.
Ohio Northern
12-5-3
0.604
4-4-3
12-5-3
3
4.
Case Western Reserve
9-3-3
0.593
2-2-3
9-3-3
4
5.
John Carroll
13-5-2
0.574
3-4-2
13-5-2
5
6.
Otterbein
12-3-4
0.562
3-3-4
12-3-4
6
7.
Denison
12-4-3
0.563
4-3-0
12-4-3
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REGION VIII - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Calvin
14-2-1
0.569
4-2-1
16-2-1
1
2.
Chicago
9-2-5
0.623
4-0-4
9-2-5
2
3.
North Central (Ill.)
15-2-2
0.563
3-2-1
15-2-2
3
4.
MSOE
16-2-3
0.541
3-2-1
16-2-3
6
5.
Carthage
11-6-2
0.574
3-4-1
11-6-2
4
6.
Wheaton (Ill.)
11-5-2
0.564
3-3-1
11-5-2
5
7.
Dominican
14-3-3
0.524
1-2-0
14-3-3
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REGION IX - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
St. Olaf
14-3-3
0.605
3-3-3
14-3-3
1
2.
UW-Platteville
13-2-5
0.609
3-2-3
13-2-5
2
3.
Wartburg
12-1-6
0.567
2-1-3
12-1-6
4
4.
Carleton
14-2-1
0.548
3-2-0
15-2-1
3
5.
Gustavus Adolphus
10-3-7
0.596
2-2-4
10-3-7
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6.
Macalester
11-3-5
0.587
1-3-2
11-3-5
5
7.
Loras
12-4-4
0.558
2-2-3
12-4-4
7

REGION X - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - November 6, 2022

Rank

School
. Div. III .
Record
. Div. III .
SOS

 . R-v-R .
. Overall .
Record
. Prev. .
Rank
1.
Colorado College
13-3-1
0.581
5-1-1
13-3-1
1
2.
Trinity (Texas)
13-2-1
0.578
3-2-1
13-2-2
2
3.
St. Thomas (Texas)
12-4-0
0.564
2-3-1
13-4-1
4
4.
Texas Lutheran
14-3-0
0.542
2-3-0
14-3-0
3
5.
Southwestern
10-3-3
0.546
2-3-0
10-3-3
5
6.
Occidental
12-3-3
0.533
3-1-0
13-3-3
6
7.
Redlands
9-3-3
0.553
0-3-0
12-3-3
7

Christan Shirk
Special Consultant and Advisor
D3soccer.com