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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3375 on: November 14, 2017, 12:41:30 pm »
I heard Beck is on campus sitting out, taking classes. A friend was at Del vals scrimmage at Abright (he is an alumni) and asked the coach about him- also said they were sloppy. Even with Beck who could have been maybe their best player, they don't have enough for the playoffs. Close to wilkes and Manhattanville IMO but behind them.

Really impressed with Easterns team on paper after seeing their roster. Well done! They'll challenge but CozenLaw is right, studs and riches at Mis. DeSales has two really good forwards and enough at PG to fill the 2 and 3. I easily see them and Mis in the finals again.

What's up at Kings?  Playoffs just a few short years ago and now a perennial last place team.  For a long time they were a very tough physical team with talent  on the roster.

So what do you think of Eastern's chances against Cabrini on opening night? They did beat the Cavs 2 years ago on their home court on a last second shot. All time Battle for Eagle Road(since Eastern left for the MAC) Cabrini leads 8-1.
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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3376 on: November 14, 2017, 03:05:52 pm »
I like Cabrini but must admit not super familiar with the CSAC. Eastern lost athleticism and played very much uptempo last year. They lost three starters all of who were very talented for the Freedom (Turk POY, 6-6 Holley a shot making face 4 and their 3 year starting PG). I like the two post players (Pena, Perez), the fact the have two legit shooters (3 and 20 maybe) and certainly have a question mark at PG. Pena is a monster at the 5.

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3377 on: November 14, 2017, 03:06:38 pm »
Not from the roster. Looked up new players and nothing jumped out on high school highlight film or the IMAC transfer.

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3378 on: Yesterday at 09:19:50 am »
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This is a great listen with talk of all NEPA college basketball and some D1 talk. Of course the most in-depth talk was on Scranton and starts at the 16 minute mark. Some good nuggets for Royal fans.
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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3379 on: Yesterday at 04:32:47 pm »
I heard Beck is on campus sitting out, taking classes. A friend was at Del vals scrimmage at Abright (he is an alumni) and asked the coach about him- also said they were sloppy. Even with Beck who could have been maybe their best player, they don't have enough for the playoffs. Close to wilkes and Manhattanville IMO but behind them.

Really impressed with Easterns team on paper after seeing their roster. Well done! They'll challenge but CozenLaw is right, studs and riches at Mis. DeSales has two really good forwards and enough at PG to fill the 2 and 3. I easily see them and Mis in the finals again.

What's up at Kings?  Playoffs just a few short years ago and now a perennial last place team.  For a long time they were a very tough physical team with talent  on the roster.

I wasn't at the game last night, but I see that DelVal's two top scores (from the boxscore) were the freshman, Washington and Robinson. I've heard they are long and can jump out of the building but are skinny. I don't mean slight.........I mean skinny. From what I can see, there aren't any senior's of consequence getting big minutes and I guess if Beck is hanging around, he'll have a couple of years of eligibility left (and from a DeSales player who knows him, would be their best player and one of the best in the MAC) along with Russell and Britton. After last year's surprise of being picked 6th by the coaches and finishing first in the regular season.........and after losing the stud PG and the conference's best big, a fallback year can't be a surprise, especially when two very green freshmen will be counted on so heavily. From what I've been told, other than a few exceptions, the best players in the MAC this year are primarily juniors. Not a top to bottom great senior class and not a killer sophomore class. Who knows. I don't even know how my contacts know that level of detail about the rosters of eight teams before the first game is played. It's all conjecture.

One of my buddy's is good friends with a MAC assistant coach and a NEAC head coach and the MAC coach expects DelVal to be right back in the mix next year as they brought on an assistant coach (don't know who) who is very involved in the AAU circuit (lower level........not the D1 one-and-done types of course) and is networked everywhere and that the hire was good given his coaching experience, but will be excellent for recruiting. We'll see.

The boxscores from last night, unless I've got the names wrong (and can't trust my friends "in the know"), do show that the transfers that I pointed out in my last post (Eastern's transfer from Ithaca and Miser's transfer from I don't remember where) showed well last night. I mentioned last year, especially with the cost associated with four year private institutions (although some somehow "find" more money to give out than others), you will see more transfers in the years to come. Not at NESCAC schools where the average aid package is in the mid-$50's for all students and better for some athletes (Amherst as a real life example), but in many conferences. What goes on in wrestling is insane and it will never get near that level, but you will see more of it.

Here's hoping for a great and injury free season to all of the teams and players in all of our local conferences.

P.S. I can't add anything to the King's question but what I will say that given stagnant or shrinking financial aid budgets, adding a sport like hockey and it's inherent expenses certainly won't help in acquiring athletes hoping for a fat package. King's is up and running.........Wilkes delayed it a year and now go live for 2018-2019. The non-football and non-wrestling (and now hockey) D3 schools will always have an advantage over those who offer the full menu of sports, from a total aid standpoint. A former conference commissioner once told me that's why so many D3 schools don't have a football program and that most who do a feasibility study on the matter, decide against it (Alvernia went the other way..........but they offer neither wrestling nor hockey). The funds to start up the program are one thing..........it's an entirely different matter for ongoing annual operating expenses as well as financial aid. I've never done it, but I might just look at the totality of the  MAC, CSAC and local NEAC schools to see how many have football and wrestling programs. My senses tell me that there might be more who don't than do. 

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3380 on: Yesterday at 04:52:29 pm »
Who was the stud recruit Misercordia brought in?  Did he play last night?

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3381 on: Yesterday at 11:41:28 pm »
Who was the stud recruit Misercordia brought in?  Did he play last night?

#2 Tyrell Mann. I don't know him nor have I seen him but I believe this is the player of topic. 9 pts on 4-7 and 4 rebounds. 3 fouls, 3 turnovers.

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3382 on: Today at 12:02:42 am »
I heard Beck is on campus sitting out, taking classes. A friend was at Del vals scrimmage at Abright (he is an alumni) and asked the coach about him- also said they were sloppy. Even with Beck who could have been maybe their best player, they don't have enough for the playoffs. Close to wilkes and Manhattanville IMO but behind them.

Really impressed with Easterns team on paper after seeing their roster. Well done! They'll challenge but CozenLaw is right, studs and riches at Mis. DeSales has two really good forwards and enough at PG to fill the 2 and 3. I easily see them and Mis in the finals again.

What's up at Kings?  Playoffs just a few short years ago and now a perennial last place team.  For a long time they were a very tough physical team with talent  on the roster.

I wasn't at the game last night, but I see that DelVal's two top scores (from the boxscore) were the freshman, Washington and Robinson. I've heard they are long and can jump out of the building but are skinny. I don't mean slight.........I mean skinny. From what I can see, there aren't any senior's of consequence getting big minutes and I guess if Beck is hanging around, he'll have a couple of years of eligibility left (and from a DeSales player who knows him, would be their best player and one of the best in the MAC) along with Russell and Britton. After last year's surprise of being picked 6th by the coaches and finishing first in the regular season.........and after losing the stud PG and the conference's best big, a fallback year can't be a surprise, especially when two very green freshmen will be counted on so heavily. From what I've been told, other than a few exceptions, the best players in the MAC this year are primarily juniors. Not a top to bottom great senior class and not a killer sophomore class. Who knows. I don't even know how my contacts know that level of detail about the rosters of eight teams before the first game is played. It's all conjecture.

One of my buddy's is good friends with a MAC assistant coach and a NEAC head coach and the MAC coach expects DelVal to be right back in the mix next year as they brought on an assistant coach (don't know who) who is very involved in the AAU circuit (lower level........not the D1 one-and-done types of course) and is networked everywhere and that the hire was good given his coaching experience, but will be excellent for recruiting. We'll see.

The boxscores from last night, unless I've got the names wrong (and can't trust my friends "in the know"), do show that the transfers that I pointed out in my last post (Eastern's transfer from Ithaca and Miser's transfer from I don't remember where) showed well last night. I mentioned last year, especially with the cost associated with four year private institutions (although some somehow "find" more money to give out than others), you will see more transfers in the years to come. Not at NESCAC schools where the average aid package is in the mid-$50's for all students and better for some athletes (Amherst as a real life example), but in many conferences. What goes on in wrestling is insane and it will never get near that level, but you will see more of it.

Here's hoping for a great and injury free season to all of the teams and players in all of our local conferences.

P.S. I can't add anything to the King's question but what I will say that given stagnant or shrinking financial aid budgets, adding a sport like hockey and it's inherent expenses certainly won't help in acquiring athletes hoping for a fat package. King's is up and running.........Wilkes delayed it a year and now go live for 2018-2019. The non-football and non-wrestling (and now hockey) D3 schools will always have an advantage over those who offer the full menu of sports, from a total aid standpoint. A former conference commissioner once told me that's why so many D3 schools don't have a football program and that most who do a feasibility study on the matter, decide against it (Alvernia went the other way..........but they offer neither wrestling nor hockey). The funds to start up the program are one thing..........it's an entirely different matter for ongoing annual operating expenses as well as financial aid. I've never done it, but I might just look at the totality of the  MAC, CSAC and local NEAC schools to see how many have football and wrestling programs. My senses tell me that there might be more who don't than do.

Was this the assistant that was let go/left PSU Abington? I think the head coach at DVU can recruit- Beck, Britton, Washington and Robinson aren't a bad four to add for a first recruiting class as a head coach- after one game of course. Obviously losing Beck for the year to injury hurts that.

Although assistant coaches are valuable, as a part time D3 assistant, your impact is capped from a recruiting standpoint somewhat I would imagine. To me it seems like an assistant trying to jump on with a program that has won to get another chance at being a HC. Certainly nothing wrong with that. And a young head coach being confident enough to surround themselves with people with ego's (Just kidding, all coaches have small ego's  ;D ) - I do however think it says something about the coach to have 4 former head coaches on staff- probably how they went from 6 to 1 last year along with the two seniors. The coach pulled a rabbit out of his hat in year one, after an awful loss last night, he may need to hope there is another rabbit down there somewhere- because here comes Wilkes and Manhattanville for the #4 seed. I'll pull a JMCOZENLAW line from early last year- If Del Val sniffs the playoffs, he will get another plaque in the office for COY. But as of now, I can not see them competing with Eastern, Mis, DeSales. No size, shooting and minimum experience. Although Del Val seems like the place where if they can get a few athletes to start to play together, then can be a real tough out. Either way, fall back year seems beyond fair/generous.

I agree with you on the league. The Juniors are the best and it's not close. Look at the back court of Del Val (Ciuculli, Matsinye, Butler), Wilkes with Evans and Robinson, Eastern with Pena and one of the Austin's (two kids named Austin, one a junior I think), Kenny and Mann at Mis..... Seniors are D3 role players, limited sophomores outside of Cobb, big kid from DeSalles and Harding from Mis.