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GrizFan

I still have fond memories of the GRIZ upset playoff victory over NC in 2008!

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Quote from: GrizFan on November 12, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
I still have fond memories of the GRIZ upset playoff victory over NC in 2008!

I kind of like the memory of 2007 better!  What a game that was!  ;D
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GrizFan

Both 2007 and 2008 were awesome playoff battles between Franklin and North Central!

MRMIKESMITH

With Earlham suspending football, maybe the HCAC can find it in its "Heart" to allow them back in.

bluestreak66

Quote from: MANDGSU on November 13, 2018, 02:50:16 PM
With Earlham suspending football, maybe the HCAC can find it in its "Heart" to allow them back in.
This is disappointing news, but not all together surprising. I think for the last few years, they have been dozens of steps behind the closest competition in the conference. Still, I would have loved to see them come away with at least one win before they potentially shutter the program. You really feel for those guys who, despite being massive underdogs, went out played as hard as they could in every single game. I hope those players who chose to continue on elsewhere find nothing but success. And i hope those that remain at Earlham are rewarded with the return of their program in 2020
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ncc_fan

Just curious...
Can anyone shed some light on why Thomas More was either uninterested or unwelcome in the HCAC?  From the perspective of this outsider, the HCAC seemed like an obvious D3 home for them given their location and their rivalry with MSJ.

Pat Coleman

Quote from: ncc_fan on November 13, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Just curious...
Can anyone shed some light on why Thomas More was either uninterested or unwelcome in the HCAC?  From the perspective of this outsider, the HCAC seemed like an obvious D3 home for them given their location and their rivalry with MSJ.

Your word rivalry needs the word "bitter" in front of it, and that might help shed light on why TMU was scola non grata.
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2018, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: ncc_fan on November 13, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Just curious...
Can anyone shed some light on why Thomas More was either uninterested or unwelcome in the HCAC?  From the perspective of this outsider, the HCAC seemed like an obvious D3 home for them given their location and their rivalry with MSJ.

Your word rivalry needs the word "bitter" in front of it, and that might help shed light on why TMU was scola non grata.

Well said..

Pat - how would this suspension affect the HCAC's automatic bid, if at all?

I'm wondering if the dominoes could fall correctly enough to see an OAC team rejoin the Heartland and then the OAC to...
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

Pat Coleman

It won't have an impact on the HCAC's automatic bid. They had nine this year.
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SaintsFAN

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2018, 03:44:04 PM
It won't have an impact on the HCAC's automatic bid. They had nine this year.

I should have known the rule, but I didn't.

So the spotlight goes onto Defiance..
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

formerd3db

A tough decision and challenging situation at Earlham, for sure.  Disappointing and sad that they had to make this decision. Let's hope the alumni step up as well as the administration and athletic administrators make the serious etfiet to regenerate the program. I hope they contact and talk with other colleges who have gone through this such as Occidental, Oberlin, even schools like Olivet, Kalamazoo,Michigan Tech, and small schools like Eureka to discuss how they all approached these challenges and sustained/revitalized their football programs within the realm of their overall academic and general operations. If those schools can do it, Earlham can

Glad to see that Coach Johnson will remain at the college. While I'm sure he was disappointed in how his tenure turned out, he made the difficult decision knowing it was in the best interest of the program and that he did his best and a true effieg in coaching as well as mentoring his players. I personally hope Earlham does not discontinue the program. That would be a shame to go the route of the Swarthmore debacke, although the latter did it for different (and the wrong) reasons.
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GrizFan

A few years back, Earlham's President was lobbying hard for NCAA to add Division 4 for football.  The writing was on the wall back then.  Earlham has always been a very strange place.  I grew up near Earlham and several friends attended there.  Great academically but a very strange student body.  We used to know them as the "granola" campus.  Similar to Grinnell in many ways.  Very difficult to recruit athletes, especially in the Midwest.  Never emphasized football, soccer (and ultimate frisbee) would easily draw much larger crowds.  It is also an easier time to make such a decision since Earlham is in some disarray.  The President resigned, enrollment is down, there is a financial crunch, and the coach resigned.               

SaintsFAN

Quote from: GrizFan on November 15, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
A few years back, Earlham's President was lobbying hard for NCAA to add Division 4 for football.  The writing was on the wall back then.  Earlham has always been a very strange place.  I grew up near Earlham and several friends attended there.  Great academically but a very strange student body.  We used to know them as the "granola" campus.  Similar to Grinnell in many ways.  Very difficult to recruit athletes, especially in the Midwest.  Never emphasized football, soccer (and ultimate frisbee) would easily draw much larger crowds.  It is also an easier time to make such a decision since Earlham is in some disarray.  The President resigned, enrollment is down, there is a financial crunch, and the coach resigned.               

You're not kidding.  I went on a campus visit there in 1994.  Facilities were awful even back then.  And the student body... yep, strange.
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

wally_wabash

Back when Earlham made the move to the HCAC, their president at the time was quoted as saying that Earlham's goal was to win half of their games.  I'm sure he was talking about all sports and not just football, but certainly football would be lumped in with that 50/50 strategy.  How do you recruit good players when the stated goal is to lose half of the time?  At best!  Moving out of the NCAC and into the HCAC was supposed to help achieve that goal, according to the president. 

The sad irony is that Earlham went 5-5 in their final season in the NCAC.  They are 3-87 since.  I don't think the NCAC was the problem. 
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Dr. Acula

The thing that's odd is that Earlham is very competitive in baseball.  They won the HCAC and won an NCAA tourney game or two a couple years ago.  Very nice all turf home field too.  It's like that's not even the same school as what you see with football.  Football just requires so many bodies to compete it's difficult for them I guess.