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SaintsFAN

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on September 19, 2017, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 19, 2017, 11:30:49 AM
....I don't think we know much about CWRU and with that schedule... uggh. How can they be in the PAC, a conference with so many quality teams, and have missed almost all of them? Talk about luck.
I just couldn't help myself.  I had to borrow this from the South Region Fan Poll thread....
I think this very question has been raised in THIS thread before.

I vaguely remember it coming up once..
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

ExTartanPlayer

Had the chance to watch CMU vs. Thomas More at Gesling today.  The Tartans got off to a fast start, taking advantage of a few turnovers and some big special teams plays (excellent punting from Tyler Kohman, and a big punt return from Willie Richter that set up a short TD run for Sam Benger) with a crisp performance from QB Alex Cline en route to a 21-3 halftime lead.  They extended the lead to 34-3 in the third quarter before TMC scored their first touchdown and a long pass (TMC quarterback was impressive all day, escaping the rush several times and giving CMU some fits).  The game was 37-10 with about three minutes to go when my folks and I left to, uh, beat the traffic.  TMC added a late touchdown for a 37-17 final.

Carnegie Mellon has been a little up and down thus far.  Sharp win at WashU; easy victory against a lackluster Rochester team; much tougher than expected win at Waynesburg; and then a strong effort at home today vs. Thomas More.  QB Cline is emerging as a solid playmaker; RB is a strength with Benger and Hubbard; WR Prather is tough to handle one-on-one, and Mansfield has made some big plays; Richter is a special-teams weapon as a return man; the defense has held up well thus far, especially the LB and DB corps; and P/K is a strength.  It's early and there are several tough games to play, but CMU is a very nice looking team at this point.

Many of the big conference matchups were front-loaded.  Thomas More is now behind the 8-ball with two conference losses on the board.  W&J and CMU have both passed their first major test; the CMU-W&J game looms on 10/7 as a major showdown that will affect the league title race.  Case Western and Westminster also both will be major contenders as well; need to look ahead and see when all the other cross matchups between these contenders occur.
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

DagarmanSpartan

Given how well CMU has been playing............if CWRU can manage to go into the Academic Bowl undefeated.............then this year's Academic Bowl could be one of the greatest of all time!

E.115

Two thoughts from today:

1)
Quote from: E.115 on September 10, 2017, 11:37:13 PM
Even as a fan of the arch rival school, I gotta say Carnegie Mellon is completely flying under the radar.  They gotta be the best team remaining in the country who is not getting a single vote in the top 25.

2) And I see no mention of this so far, but congrats to Grove City on the W!  "Brick by brick" holds true.

ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: E.115 on September 24, 2017, 02:37:40 AM
Two thoughts from today:

1)
Quote from: E.115 on September 10, 2017, 11:37:13 PM
Even as a fan of the arch rival school, I gotta say Carnegie Mellon is completely flying under the radar.  They gotta be the best team remaining in the country who is not getting a single vote in the top 25.

2) And I see no mention of this so far, but congrats to Grove City on the W!  "Brick by brick" holds true.

Was going to post something about Grove City as well.  If memory serves me correctly, that is the first win for any of their seniors as collegiate players.  GCC was a proud, consistently middle-of-the-pack PAC program for many years (from 2003-2013 they hovered between 3-7 and 6-4) before the recent swoon.  Huge congratulations to the GCC team and especially their seniors for breaking the streak and getting into the W column.
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

E.115


ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: E.115 on September 24, 2017, 05:34:28 PM
Carnegie Mellon got a vote!

New week 4 Top 25: http://www.d3football.com/top25/2017/week4

This stuff falls into place - it's not worth sweating the polls too much.  There's generally that top tier of 8-10 really elite teams that are separated from the pack, then a big pile from 11-50 or so, most of whom can beat one others above/below them on a given day depending on matchups, strengths and weaknesses.  CMU, CWRU, W&J, and maybe Westminster are all in that group right now; Thomas More has the pedigree and talent but seems a little out of sorts right now.  We'll see how things go for the next few weeks.
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

Bob.Gregg

Grove City 24, St. Vincent 14---I saw that coming, maybe not specifically vs. St. Vincent, but certainly soon.  In fact, I was at a Pitt Softball Doubleheader Saturday afternoon, talking with a friend, and I said just that.  She said she felt bad for Grove City (we've both known Andrew DiDonato's family for many years).  I told her, it's coming, it's coming very soon.  They are going to get the first win, and more will follow quickly thereafter.

Carnegie-Mellon 37, Thomas More 17--I thought CMU could/would win this, but not like this.  Never saw this coming.  TMC is going to be in a place they really don't know much about--out of the picture.  And it's a place that's no fun being. 

While I'm certainly going to miss the intensity of the W&J/TMC rivalry, my most vivid memory of it will not be any play or score but rather the grace, dignity, class and compassion shown by the entire TMC family when the Presidents played there just days after W&J's starting running back, Tim McNerney, was murdered.  I will never forget that day, nor the care shown to all by the folks at Thomas More.
Been wrong before.  Will be wrong again.

DagarmanSpartan

CMU deserves to be ranked and definitely deserves more than one vote.

Pat Coleman

Voters will have plenty of chances to move CMU up if the Tartans play like a Top 25 team.
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SaintsFAN

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2017, 11:43:10 PM
Voters will have plenty of chances to move CMU up if the Tartans play like a Top 25 team.

This.  I think most are waiting to see a little more evidence, and CMU has three pretty good teams left on the schedule.

Its very apparent there is something wrong at TMC with the 2017 team and I believe folks have discounted wins against them. 

There are TWO 2-loss teams receiving votes - based up on their history.  While these two teams have a game still to play against the Top 5 team in their conference, I don't feel like they should be receiving those votes.
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

SaintsFAN

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on September 24, 2017, 06:31:05 PM
While I'm certainly going to miss the intensity of the W&J/TMC rivalry, my most vivid memory of it will not be any play or score but rather the grace, dignity, class and compassion shown by the entire TMC family when the Presidents played there just days after W&J's starting running back, Tim McNerney, was murdered.  I will never forget that day, nor the care shown to all by the folks at Thomas More.

Never will forget that day.  I felt so badly for the W&J community. 
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

Ralph Turner

Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 25, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2017, 11:43:10 PM
Voters will have plenty of chances to move CMU up if the Tartans play like a Top 25 team.

This.  I think most are waiting to see a little more evidence, and CMU has three pretty good teams left on the schedule.

Its very apparent there is something wrong at TMC with the 2017 team and I believe folks have discounted wins against them. 

There are TWO 2-loss teams receiving votes - based up on their history.  While these two teams have a game still to play against the Top 5 team in their conference, I don't feel like they should be receiving those votes.
John Carroll can run the table and be the Pool A bid from the OAC.

UW-Whitewater can run the table and be the Pool A bid from the WIAC.

They amassed 30 votes between the 2 of them. If one of them was the 25th pick on every ballot, not an implausible thought, and on two ballots, one of them picked a 24th and a 23rd, you have the 30 votes.

I think that CWRU is pulling in all of the love for a 2nd PresAC team in the Top 25.

The Pres AC is only average in strength as a conference in the playoffs,

(See question #9.)

http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs

so I think that they are getting lots of love.

SaintsFAN

Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2017, 09:14:53 AM
They amassed 30 votes between the 2 of them. If one of them was the 25th pick on every ballot, not an implausible thought, and on two ballots, one of them picked a 24th and a 23rd, you have the 30 votes.

I know this isn't the case.  They aren't on everyone's ballot.

These are mutually exclusive:  I don't feel like the President's Athletic Conference is being shafted on votes. 

But I AM curious about those two teams still receiving votes; given how they've looked when I've watched their games in 2017. 
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

Pat Coleman

Not going to speak for JCU but I still have UWW 24th on my ballot because what they've done is lost narrow road games to No. 19 and No. 21 and thoroughly handled a team they should have handled. UWW will have a chance to play its way back into the Top 25 this week, or possibly play its way all the way out, so I am not at all concerned about the optics.

What UWW looks like is not like the UWW of old but I am trying not to let that cloud my judgment. They don't have to look like Justin Beaver's in the backfield in order to get onto my Top 25 ballot. If that were the case, I'd have a lot of blank spots.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.