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mr_b

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 28, 2021, 06:20:50 PM
In last night's game against the Jays, Victor Reyes hit a go-ahead inside-the-park HR pinch hitting for Zach Short (fantastic name for a shortstop - if only he could hit ;D).  According to Jason Beck's write-up, it is the FiRST go-ahead, PH inside-the park HR of the expansion era (since 1961).

Something my computer skills are not up to determining - just HOW rare are inside-the-park home runs?  According to another story I saw, this was only the second by a Tiger this year - the other one was by CATCHER Eric Haase (an inside-the-park HR by a catcher must be downright vanishingly rare! :o)  Unless I hear otherwise, I'm gonna assume inside-the-park HRs are far more rare than grand slams, but not quite as rare as triple plays; anyone got stats on this?
SABR has been working on this topic.  This article appears to be dated, but IPHs appear to be much more common than triple plays.

Mr. Ypsi

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Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 01, 2021, 10:11:50 PM
Meanwhile, Miguel Cabrera has risen from the dead and gone from well below the Mendoza line to the .240s - hitting well over .400 for the last 10-15 games.  Before the season, the 'experts' predicted he would achieve 500 homers before the end of the season, but not reach 3,000 hits until next season - I now think he will achieve both milestones before the end of 2021 (barring injury, f course).

Of course, Miggy got to 500 HRs (now at 502) but the experts were PROBABLY right about 3,000 hits.  Tonite he got to 2,987, but with only 5 games left it is possible, but highly improbable, that he will reach 3,000 this season.  But barring injury he should join only 6 other players in the VERY exclusive club of those with BOTH 500+ HRs AND 3,000+ hits early in April 2022.

A couple of weeks ago I got excited that he just might pull it off this season (he had 9 hits in a three-game stretch), but even he can't maintain a pace like that for long - he then had like 4 hits over the next 5 games.

Mr. Ypsi

0-for-4 tonite :(, but a lesser stat I hadn't previously noticed.  He also has 598 doubles.  Only TWO players have ever had 500 HRs, 3,000 hits and 600 doubles: Albert Pujols and Henry Aaron.  Miggy will (barring injury) soon make it three.  Pretty good company, I'd say! ;D

Jim Dixon

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 29, 2021, 11:22:09 PM
0-for-4 tonite :(, but a lesser stat I hadn't previously noticed.  He also has 598 doubles.  Only TWO players have ever had 500 HRs, 3,000 hits and 600 doubles: Albert Pujols and Henry Aaron.  Miggy will (barring injury) soon make it three.  Pretty good company, I'd say! ;D

Only one has made it into the Hall of Fame.  Just saying.

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Jim Dixon on October 20, 2021, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 29, 2021, 11:22:09 PM
0-for-4 tonite :(, but a lesser stat I hadn't previously noticed.  He also has 598 doubles.  Only TWO players have ever had 500 HRs, 3,000 hits and 600 doubles: Albert Pujols and Henry Aaron.  Miggy will (barring injury) soon make it three.  Pretty good company, I'd say! ;D

Only one has made it into the Hall of Fame.  Just saying.

True, but only due to the technicality that both Pujols and Cabrera are still playing. ;D  I'd say that both are 100% lead-pipe cinch first ballot picks as soon as they are eligible, and both should be very close to unanimous.

Ralph Turner


RogK

In 2022, we will be impressed by a pitcher who throws 6 or 7 innings in a game.
This evening, I "stumbled onto" this box score :
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA193308130.shtml
A 17 inning game that took 3 hrs 49 min, and saw three pitchers used.
The Sox' Ted Lyons pitched 9 innings in relief.
Detroit's Vic Sorrell got the win by going the full 17 !

WLCALUM83

Quote from: RogK on April 08, 2022, 12:41:25 AM
In 2022, we will be impressed by a pitcher who throws 6 or 7 innings in a game.
This evening, I "stumbled onto" this box score :
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA193308130.shtml
A 17 inning game that took 3 hrs 49 min, and saw three pitchers used.
The Sox' Ted Lyons pitched 9 innings in relief.
Detroit's Vic Sorrell got the win by going the full 17 !

Methinks the days of Bob Gibson, Nolan Ryan, Ron Guidry and the like have just about gone the way of the Dusenberg and Edsel cars.
"When you come to the fork in the road, take it."

RogK

Those cars may have been defective; those pitchers weren't.
Incidentally, last season MLB pitchers combined for 50 complete games in 4858 starts, 1.0%.
By contrast, Bob Gibson completed 255 of his 482 career starts, 52.9%.

IC798891

Quote from: RogK on April 09, 2022, 01:29:07 PM
Those cars may have been defective; those pitchers weren't.
Incidentally, last season MLB pitchers combined for 50 complete games in 4858 starts, 1.0%.
By contrast, Bob Gibson completed 255 of his 482 career starts, 52.9%.

Now do the 1980 As. Threw 94 complete games, and ruined the careers of an entire rotation in the process

WLCALUM83

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Quote from: IC798891 on April 11, 2022, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: RogK on April 09, 2022, 01:29:07 PM
Those cars may have been defective; those pitchers weren't.
Incidentally, last season MLB pitchers combined for 50 complete games in 4858 starts, 1.0%.
By contrast, Bob Gibson completed 255 of his 482 career starts, 52.9%.

Now do the 1980 As. Threw 94 complete games, and ruined the careers of an entire rotation in the process

Pitcher:                   CG's                IP           W/L                 ERA

Rick Langford           28                 290          19-12                  3.,26
Mike Norris              24                 284 1/3     22- 9                   2.53
Matt Keough            20                 250           16-13                 2.92
Steve McCatty          11                 221 2/3     14-14                  3.86
Brian Kingman          10                211 1/3       8-20                 3.83
Bob Lacey*                 1                  79 2/3       3- 2                   2.94 

*-pitched primarily as a closer. Combined W/L starters records 79-68.
However. that squad also had a team BA of .259 (11th of 14 AL teams that year). and ranked 6th in the AL in HR's (137) Rest of the bullpen went 1-9. Billy Martin was the manager then. ('79 A's did much worse).
Martin got the Manager of the Year Award in '80.

The year Martin got the heat for was '81. (for overworking his starters). Per Wikipedia, "Baseball writer Rob Neyer estimates that" Langford threw 129 pitches per CG, (18 CG's); Norris 131 PPCG (12); Keough 131 PPCG (10); McCatty 131 PPCG (16) Kingman only pitched 3 CGs and  100 1/3 total  innings in '81.

"When you come to the fork in the road, take it."

RogK

Thanks for the data, WLCALUM83.
I forgot that Billy Martin emphasized complete games in '81 too. They had 60 in 109 games (strike shortened season).
When today's pitchers provide 140 or 120 innings, I don't think they should be paid as if they're providing 230 or more.
Here are MLB average innings per team in recent full seasons :
2016 1444
2017 1442
2018 1450
2019 1447
2021 1420
The drop in 2021 can be attributed to starting extra innings with a free runner on 2nd. And did they do 7 inning double headers in 2021, or was that 2020? I could look it up.

IC798891

Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 11, 2022, 06:20:59 PM

Pitcher:                   CG's                IP           W/L                 ERA

Rick Langford           28                 290          19-12                  3.,26
Mike Norris              24                 284 1/3     22- 9                   2.53
Matt Keough            20                 250           16-13                 2.92
Steve McCatty          11                 221 2/3     14-14                  3.86
Brian Kingman          10                211 1/3       8-20                 3.83
Bob Lacey*                 1                  79 2/3       3- 2                   2.94 


The year Martin got the heat for was '81. (for overworking his starters). Per Wikipedia, "Baseball writer Rob Neyer estimates that" Langford threw 129 pitches per CG, (18 CG's); Norris 131 PPCG (12); Keough 131 PPCG (10); McCatty 131 PPCG (16) Kingman only pitched 3 CGs and  100 1/3 total  innings in '81.

Yeah. Back to back, it's no surprise the entire staff was shot.

Something, something, Nolan Ryan, though.

RogK

Some data, potentially of interest to at least 3 people :
2021 MLB innings pitched by individuals --
number of pitchers who threw in the range shown
220 or more : 0
210-219 : 1
200-209 : 3
190-199 : 3
180-189 : 13
170-179 : 9
160-169 : 10
yes, a whopping* 39 pitchers from 30 teams pitched at least 1 inning per game played by his team, enough to traditionally qualify for the ERA title ... *sarcasm
150-159 : 16
140-149 : 13
130-139 : 11
120-129 : 17
110-119 : 13
100-109 : 20
90-99 : 17
81-89 : 13
a total of 159 pitchers from 30 teams who pitched at least 1/2 inning per game played by his team
80 or fewer innings : 750
909 guys pitched in MLB in 2021, 30 per team ... the GMs probably get a headache or two

RogK

guys who pitched in MLB / number of teams, extracted from baseball-reference
"average quantity of pitchers per team" (guys who pitched on multiple teams are counted only once)
1980 = 15,                      1982 = 14,   1983 = 15,   1984 = 15
1985 = 16,   1986 = 16,   1987 = 16,   1988 = 17,   1989 = 17
1990 = 19,   1991 = 18,   1992 = 17,   1993 = 18
                   1996 = 19,   1997 = 19,   1998 = 19,   1999 = 20
2000 = 20,   2001 = 20,   2002 = 20,   2003 = 20,   2004 = 21
2005 = 20,   2006 = 21,   2007 = 22,   2008 = 22,   2009 = 22
2010 = 21,   2011 = 22,   2012 = 22,   2013 = 23,   2014 = 23
2015 = 24,   2016 = 25,   2017 = 25,   2018 = 27,   2019 = 28
                   2021 = 30
I excluded shortened seasons